| 00:00.03 | spx2 | good |
| 00:00.39 | curtmack | just one line |
| 00:00.48 | curtmack | AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI compatible |
| 00:01.08 | spx2 | im off to bed |
| 00:01.08 | jetscreamer | i had a duron 900 with sis... i took a tnt2 out of my celery 333@500 i had > fps in the celeryin the celery |
| 00:01.10 | spx2 | bye ppl |
| 00:01.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:01.27 | jetscreamer | are there kernel dri modules is the next question |
| 00:01.42 | jetscreamer | or is that drm |
| 00:01.50 | curtmack | pretty sure it said dri |
| 00:01.51 | spx2 | drm |
| 00:01.55 | curtmack | lemme double-check |
| 00:02.09 | spx2 | jetscreamer: they should just ban those drm modules then |
| 00:02.10 | spx2 | :D |
| 00:02.13 | spx2 | off to bed |
| 00:02.14 | spx2 | bye |
| 00:02.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:02.34 | curtmack | oh, I did make a mistake |
| 00:02.37 | curtmack | it was DRI |
| 00:02.39 | jetscreamer | modprobe sisfb i believe |
| 00:02.45 | curtmack | but it said "DRI capable" not "DRI compatible" |
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| 00:03.16 | jetscreamer | put sisfp in /etc/modules ... edit it and put the word on it's own line |
| 00:03.22 | jetscreamer | errr sisfb |
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| 00:03.35 | curtmack | mental note to self: never trust yourself to remember anything when moving from computer to computer, no matter how close the computers are or how short the line is |
| 00:03.54 | jetscreamer | curtmack: also read this probably: ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/SiS.html |
| 00:04.01 | linux_jones | is there a list of things i can modprobe? |
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| 00:05.38 | curtmack | then should I restart? |
| 00:05.44 | linux_jones | there are two flgrx's there, is that normal? and if i add ndiswrappers there with it load them at boot so i wont have to modprobe it every time? |
| 00:05.56 | sussudio | fuck off proxyscan |
| 00:06.00 | jetscreamer | curtmack: also add the word sis in /etc/modules and modprobe sis |
| 00:06.24 | jetscreamer | no you don't need to reboot if you modprobed them also |
| 00:06.30 | curtmack | so "sisfb", "sis", and "modprobe sis" on separate lines? |
| 00:06.34 | curtmack | or do I run modprobe sis? |
| 00:06.38 | jetscreamer | run |
| 00:06.41 | curtmack | okay |
| 00:06.43 | curtmack | got it |
| 00:07.04 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/modules, add sis and sisfb . then run modprobe sis, then modprobe sisfb |
| 00:07.07 | JordiGH | Man, finally found it. |
| 00:07.12 | JordiGH | shopt -s dotglob |
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| 00:07.28 | JordiGH | Then "cp -r * ~/skel" will copy the .dotfiles. |
| 00:09.24 | linux_jones | if i dpkg -l and find a file ii filename, how can i find out where that is? |
| 00:09.39 | jetscreamer | curtmack: probably after all that, all you could do to improve it is tweak xorg.conf and stuff... but that's about as far as i can get you |
| 00:09.51 | \amethyst | linux_jones: dpkg -l lists packages not files |
| 00:09.54 | jetscreamer | g'luck and all dat |
| 00:10.00 | \amethyst | linux_jones: to find all the files in a package, dpkg -L packagename |
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| 00:10.18 | jetscreamer | curtmack: you can always ask other ppl in here, or in #xorg at the same time |
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| 00:11.53 | jetscreamer | old sis 3d sucks ass though, don't expect a lot |
| 00:12.02 | curtmack | I don't care about 3D at the moment |
| 00:12.14 | jetscreamer | k |
| 00:12.17 | curtmack | anyway, modprobe: unknown command |
| 00:12.21 | curtmack | I take it that's bad? |
| 00:12.47 | jetscreamer | either the package isn't installed :o or it's probably just not in your path.. are you root? |
| 00:12.53 | jetscreamer | you need to be root |
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| 00:13.19 | jetscreamer | su |
| 00:13.25 | curtmack | right |
| 00:13.31 | mike1o | anybody else here having trouble with network manager? |
| 00:13.40 | linux_jones | ok what if dpkg -L says a file is somewhere but its not |
| 00:14.08 | curtmack | based on no actual experience, I'm gonna guess it was manually deleted? |
| 00:14.23 | jetscreamer | not sure, i doubt it? |
| 00:14.27 | curtmack | right, running upstairs |
| 00:14.34 | curtmack | good exercise by the way |
| 00:14.37 | jetscreamer | try apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, if you never have |
| 00:15.06 | mike1o | actually network-manager-gnome |
| 00:15.26 | protoloco | a good password manager?? (network one) |
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| 00:15.44 | curtmack | yep, all it needed was su |
| 00:15.49 | jetscreamer | curtmack: also try apt-.. ah |
| 00:15.52 | jetscreamer | gdm? |
| 00:16.07 | curtmack | turns out I should just remember to open a root console whenever I'm going to be configuring stuff |
| 00:16.12 | jetscreamer | module-init-tools has modprobe btw |
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| 00:16.19 | curtmack | entering 42 digit root password once is better than entering it 5 times |
| 00:16.32 | curtmack | anyway I'll try it now, see if it works |
| 00:16.39 | curtmack | thanks |
| 00:16.52 | mike1o | is network-manager-gnome obsolete and been replaced by network-manager? |
| 00:17.07 | protoloco | wkcopy:~# ping localhost |
| 00:17.08 | protoloco | ping: unknown host localhost |
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| 00:17.21 | protoloco | i have added to th e /etc/hosts the file > 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 00:17.22 | larsl` | What's happened to the schedutils package in Testing? |
| 00:17.26 | protoloco | i dont know what is happening |
| 00:17.32 | larsl` | It's in Stable and Unstable, but not in Testing. |
| 00:17.44 | jetscreamer | it didn't pass the test |
| 00:17.55 | jetscreamer | the one in stable did long ago though |
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| 00:18.14 | jetscreamer | it didn't pass the test...yet |
| 00:19.24 | jetscreamer | chromium though, that one should be in testing! |
| 00:19.26 | kalve | err... I set a new hostname on my computer using $ hostname newname, and then I changed it in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts .. |
| 00:19.40 | kalve | after a reboot, /etc/hostname was containing oldname |
| 00:19.54 | kalve | and newname was removed from /etc/hosts |
| 00:20.05 | jetscreamer | grep fo rthe oldhostname in /etc |
| 00:20.11 | jetscreamer | i forge tthe file |
| 00:20.51 | larsl` | /etc/hostname ? |
| 00:21.40 | jetscreamer | i went through that a year ago... there's another file, but i don't remember which |
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| 00:22.57 | kalve | I find oldname in /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, several files in /etc/mail/, /etc/vz/ and /etc/motd |
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| 00:25.02 | curtmack | hmm, didn't work |
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| 00:28.22 | jetscreamer | curtmack: try a lower screen resolution or try 16bit possibly |
| 00:28.31 | curtmack | okay |
| 00:28.46 | curtmack | incidentally I have no idea how to change screen resolution in Debian |
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| 00:28.54 | curtmack | KDE if it matters |
| 00:28.55 | jetscreamer | what 'exactly' isn't it doing right btw |
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| 00:29.12 | curtmack | It doesn't run |
| 00:29.19 | curtmack | the Windows app displays a directx error |
| 00:29.21 | jetscreamer | well kde has a thing in the control panel thing, but xrandr -s 1024x768 et al works if you have it |
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| 00:29.28 | jetscreamer | OH |
| 00:29.31 | jetscreamer | doh wine |
| 00:29.34 | klys | wols_: thanks for mentoning my name earlier by mistake I felt like someone was really trying to talk to me ;) |
| 00:29.40 | gpm | can someone explain how the debian version numbers for xorg components correspond to 7.3 or 7.4 (the xorg version numbers)? |
| 00:29.48 | jetscreamer | hi klys! |
| 00:29.53 | klys | hey man~ |
| 00:30.01 | klys | jetscreamer: wzup! |
| 00:30.12 | jetscreamer | windows.... |
| 00:30.32 | jetscreamer | <--whore |
| 00:30.41 | jetscreamer | ok pimp |
| 00:30.43 | klys | so, xrandr works? |
| 00:30.51 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 00:30.54 | klys | like, of course it does |
| 00:31.04 | klys | so, kde works |
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| 00:31.15 | klys | can you boot into kde instead of explorer |
| 00:31.29 | jetscreamer | haven't tried kde for windows |
| 00:31.29 | klys | this would be interesting |
| 00:31.48 | klys | well, we probably couldn't really go over it here |
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| 00:32.17 | klys | hmm, do you have eterm for windows? |
| 00:32.21 | klys | haha |
| 00:32.23 | jetscreamer | curtmack: maybe the dx needed by the app isn't being supplied by the gpu... it's probably dx5 capable or something really old |
| 00:32.28 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 00:32.34 | klys | n1ce |
| 00:32.57 | vorpal | for windows, i have putty and ultravnc ;-) |
| 00:33.11 | klys | can eterm for windows use xfs or .bdf fonts |
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| 00:33.39 | jetscreamer | ah crap you just reminded me i need putty to replace a window i broke... need the glass too. :( |
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| 00:34.04 | Agiofws | where do i set the time in debian |
| 00:34.07 | curtmack | jetscreamer: so what screen res should I use? Starcraft uses 640x480x8, which is something I'd rather not have to deal with KDE in |
| 00:34.08 | jetscreamer | no i know nothing of eterm |
| 00:34.09 | klys | `date' |
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| 00:34.17 | Agiofws | its showing me the wrong time |
| 00:34.24 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/athena# date |
| 00:34.24 | Agiofws | Wed Sep 19 06:31:52 EEST 2007 |
| 00:34.36 | curtmack | I think 60% of a 640x480 screen would be taken up by KDE |
| 00:34.45 | Agiofws | lapi:/etc# cd timezone ? |
| 00:34.47 | jetscreamer | curtmack: not sure, try them all? |
| 00:34.53 | klys | sure, so maybe you can get aterm for windows, cygwin is like, mostly a matter of choosing the right packages |
| 00:35.05 | Agiofws | time zone is right |
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| 00:35.55 | curtmack | that's always a good place to start |
| 00:35.58 | curtmack | let's go with that |
| 00:36.13 | klys | jetscreamer: do you have the space that cygwin/X would need? |
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| 00:36.37 | jetscreamer | yeh but why bother eh, i have putty and a remote server |
| 00:36.42 | klys | hmm |
| 00:36.54 | jetscreamer | and multiple boxes |
| 00:36.58 | jetscreamer | here |
| 00:37.10 | klys | you should run vncserver and courier-imapd |
| 00:37.13 | klys | too |
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| 00:37.31 | klys | and asterisk, get spendy |
| 00:37.49 | curtmack | huh |
| 00:37.53 | curtmack | xrandr "Can't open display" |
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| 00:38.01 | curtmack | somehow I think we might have closed in on the problem |
| 00:38.10 | klys | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
| 00:38.17 | klys | make sure you're the user that did startx |
| 00:38.17 | curtmack | okay |
| 00:38.44 | Spyro_boy | alright. |
| 00:38.48 | Spyro_boy | I can't configure locales |
| 00:38.52 | Spyro_boy | because it's not configured. |
| 00:38.54 | klys | tconfig |
| 00:38.56 | streuner | why not? |
| 00:38.59 | klys | tzconfig |
| 00:39.02 | streuner | no |
| 00:39.04 | klys | *typo |
| 00:39.08 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:39.15 | streuner | tzconfig only works in stable |
| 00:39.16 | jetscreamer | oh it's not installed properly? |
| 00:39.23 | klys | thx streuner |
| 00:39.36 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata isn't it |
| 00:39.39 | gpm | is there some way to downgrade my xorg version from the sid version to the lenny version, short of downloading all the relevant debs and dpkg -i'ing them? |
| 00:39.39 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 00:39.47 | streuner | !set time |
| 00:39.47 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 00:39.48 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:40.09 | klys | gpm: you have a stability bug going? |
| 00:40.25 | jetscreamer | gpm: you could --purge xorg, change sources to testing, apt-get install xorg, then change back ... |
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| 00:40.33 | gpm | no, it conflicts with nvidia-glx |
| 00:40.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:40.55 | Spyro_boy | klys, that didn't work. |
| 00:40.56 | gpm | because the new xorg's in, but the new nvidia drivers ain't |
| 00:40.59 | jetscreamer | did you try the -ignoreABI ? |
| 00:41.02 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 00:41.12 | jetscreamer | startx -- -ignoreABI |
| 00:41.13 | klys | spyro_boy: streuner knew |
| 00:41.23 | Spyro_boy | yeah |
| 00:41.24 | gpm | jetscreamer: i was wary of the warning words of the DD on the bug report |
| 00:41.27 | Spyro_boy | I noticed just now |
| 00:41.37 | gpm | is there a way to make gdm do that? i assume somewhere in gdm.conf? |
| 00:41.38 | Spyro_boy | oh |
| 00:41.40 | Spyro_boy | the bot said something |
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| 00:42.12 | jetscreamer | gpm: somebody just added Option ignoreabi to xorg.conf... i believe.... |
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| 00:42.45 | abrotman | you believe ? |
| 00:42.47 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a plan to make apt-get or one of its brothers parallel? if you have several tiers of dependencies, there is no reason to first download stuff, then unpack all, then configure all |
| 00:42.50 | abrotman | damn look you lazy bastard! |
| 00:42.58 | jetscreamer | 18.27.53] <lymeca> I'm just going to add IgnoreABI into my xorg.conf for now |
| 00:43.15 | dkr | RichiH: well, the downloads are in parallel, at least, :) |
| 00:43.18 | gpm | man, i am really on abrotman's shit list now |
| 00:43.22 | Kerr | what is the best way to get a netgear wg11b wureless usb adapter to work on stable? |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | dkr: no they aren't |
| 00:43.23 | jetscreamer | i don't know where in xorg.conf it goes |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | gpm: not you .. him |
| 00:43.35 | Kerr | wg111b even |
| 00:43.39 | jetscreamer | ask gravity |
| 00:43.39 | dkr | abrotman: well, I was including aptitude, :) |
| 00:43.49 | dkr | which does download in parallel |
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| 00:43.57 | abrotman | dkr: no it doesn't .. unless they're from different sources |
| 00:44.01 | streuner | RichiH: i dont unterstand something at all... |
| 00:44.06 | jetscreamer | gravity: where does Option ignoreABI go in xorg.conf, and what is the format of the directive |
| 00:44.07 | jetscreamer | please |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | isn't there a man page ? |
| 00:44.51 | jetscreamer | or just /lastlog gravity ... i came in after he said it i think |
| 00:45.23 | RichiH | streuner: ? |
| 00:45.27 | jetscreamer | 18.51.54] <gravity> lymeca: The section for the option is in the manpage. If you can't read the manpage you shouldn't be running sid |
| 00:45.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 00:45.47 | streuner | RichiH: rephrase that sentense please |
| 00:45.55 | jetscreamer | ooo i didn't check for xorg7.3 docs on x.org doh |
| 00:46.01 | klhrevolutionist | how to activate esd at boot ? |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | RichiH: ask the maintainers |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | streuner: he wants apt* to download while unpacking .. |
| 00:46.38 | RichiH | and configure |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | streuner: like let's say you `aptitude install less vim` .. well .. vim doesn't require less .. so download less and install it in the background while still downloading vim |
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| 00:47.14 | streuner | abrotman: oh :-) |
| 00:47.20 | abrotman | RichiH: right ? |
| 00:47.57 | RichiH | abrotman: aye |
| 00:47.57 | abrotman | why is apt* a serial application .. even for non-related packages |
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| 00:48.11 | Kerr | i'm ircing via mobileputty on my phone to ask, since i can't get my pc on the net. i can download stuff to microsd and r |
| 00:48.14 | gravity | You should really just downgrade and wait for nvidia to release updated shit |
| 00:48.20 | gravity | It's the better solution really |
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| 00:48.29 | gravity | ignoreabi is more of a last ditch option |
| 00:48.35 | Kerr | ^_^ y pc though: |
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| 00:48.43 | streuner | RichiH: well :-) |
| 00:48.52 | Kerr | geh, phone screwing up |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | gravity: randall's blog said they did |
| 00:49.11 | Kerr | what is the best way to get a netgear wg111b wureless usb adapter to work on stable? |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | Kerr: which chipset ? |
| 00:49.34 | gravity | abrotman: Right |
| 00:49.51 | jetscreamer | i forget who asked, but here's the answer i guess: Bug #12145: In traditional (multi-Screen) multihead mode, the cursor may be stuck on one of the heads. This is a bug in evdev which may also exist in other input drivers, and will be fixed in upcoming point releases. |
| 00:49.52 | Kerr | i've no idea, a friend is loaning it to me |
| 00:49.55 | streuner | RichiH: its really an exeption, usually you dont need that... |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 00:50.07 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> for Linksys WPC11 or Netgear WG111v2. /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan |
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| 00:50.33 | RichiH | streuner: you need it every time you netinstall and during the aftermath of setting up the box |
| 00:50.48 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:51.03 | RichiH | and i suspect you can save a third of the time if on DSL |
| 00:51.33 | Kerr | searching through forums and apt repos via pocket ie would take years, or i would have tried to figure it out alone |
| 00:51.40 | streuner | RichiH: installation just take about 10 minutes, so what? :-P |
| 00:51.54 | abrotman | streuner: you're not getting it |
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| 00:52.17 | streuner | no, not really, abrotman, its almost 3:00 am ... |
| 00:52.22 | abrotman | so sleep |
| 00:52.24 | RichiH | streuner: it just took me 1 1/2 hours. i could have saved _at least_ 30 minutes if it did things in parallel |
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| 00:52.25 | abrotman | no need to annoy RichiH :) |
| 00:52.58 | JordiGH | I forget, does the default Debian install read mp3? Or was that the Ubuntu one that didn't do it? |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | JordiGH: debian should |
| 00:53.41 | jetscreamer | i had that same question, why does apt only try to download from one source. it will download from multiple sources at the same time, like debian-multimedia and main, and do 2 files at once, but it will just use one source for main |
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| 00:55.08 | jetscreamer | i have bandwidth i've not even reached the limit of (most of the time) |
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| 00:55.35 | klhrevolutionist | esd does not provide init.d start scripts.. |
| 00:55.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: Okay... I'm trying to think what could I possibly want from debian-multimedia, then. libdvdcss2 and maybe the win32codecs. |
| 00:55.42 | klhrevolutionist | how to activate esd at boot ? |
| 00:55.49 | jetscreamer | mencoder |
| 00:55.59 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: What for? |
| 00:56.01 | streuner | !esd |
| 00:56.02 | dpkg | i guess esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 00:56.02 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | klhrevolutionist: when you login to gnome it should start AFAIK |
| 00:56.04 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 00:56.27 | klhrevolutionist | abrotman: any other way to start w/out gnome ? |
| 00:56.35 | abrotman | why woudl you? |
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| 00:57.16 | JordiGH | Wow. I didn't realise that esd was more hated than arts. |
| 00:57.30 | JordiGH | !arts |
| 00:57.31 | dpkg | somebody said arts was the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | they both f'in suck |
| 00:57.44 | jetscreamer | someone should create a downgrade to xorg7.2 package |
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| 00:57.49 | streuner | JordiGH: both sucks |
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| 00:58.09 | JordiGH | Didn't KDE 4.0 already replace arts? |
| 00:58.09 | protoloco | how can i know if some service is up ? |
| 00:58.16 | jetscreamer | metapackage |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: quit fucking whining |
| 00:58.19 | protoloco | cuz.. there is not such status in /etc/init.d/daemon status |
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| 00:58.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you bought that shit .. deal with it |
| 00:58.28 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i'm not... i'm perfectly happy |
| 00:58.32 | jetscreamer | works fine |
| 00:58.39 | klhrevolutionist | anyway to start it via rc.local ??? |
| 00:58.40 | jetscreamer | i was thinking about the others |
| 00:58.48 | jetscreamer | you think i'm selfish!!! |
| 00:58.51 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 00:58.53 | JordiGH | protoloco: Can't you check in ps to see if the service's daemon is running? |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | you are |
| 00:58.55 | RichiH | JordiGH: even kde3 seems to bypass arts and use alsa, these days |
| 00:59.10 | RichiH | JordiGH: kde4 has phonon, which is a completely new multimedia framework |
| 00:59.11 | jetscreamer | true, but i don't care about downgrading |
| 00:59.17 | karsten | protoloco: Look for the daemon in your process list, look for it in 'netstats -lpv' |
| 00:59.23 | karsten | erm, s/netstats/netstat/ |
| 00:59.23 | streuner | JordiGH: no idea, i doubt that, in newer DEs they want noises about HOW to close and open "windows" ;-) |
| 00:59.49 | JordiGH | streuner: Pardon? What do you mean about how to close and open "windows"? |
| 00:59.53 | jetscreamer | abrotman: this laptop is testing, and savage :| |
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| 01:00.06 | abrotman | jetscreamer: see above statements :) |
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| 01:00.12 | streuner | JordiGH: Do you know what a sounddaemon is? |
| 01:00.21 | jetscreamer | abrotman: hey whaddya want for free? |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | functional :) |
| 01:00.47 | streuner | JordiGH: it handles such actions... |
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| 01:01.12 | jetscreamer | they all are totally functional to the utmost of their capabilities... i have no computer problems atm |
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| 01:01.31 | JordiGH | streuner: Uh. Yes. Arts is a sound daemon. I still don't understand your remark about newer DEs. |
| 01:02.02 | streuner | JordiGH: #debian-kde should know better |
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| 01:02.31 | JordiGH | streuner: Or #kde |
| 01:02.33 | venger | how comp arp on linuxbox1 will return hostname for itself and a windows box, but linuxbox2 comes up as just ip address? i'm using dnsmasq, i dont see that i've told any config about the windows server's hostname so is there something i need to do on linuxbox2? i've told dnsmasq to assign ip's based on mac which is working. also the windows box is joined into the workgroup that matches dnsmasq domain setting |
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| 01:03.19 | venger | c/how comp/how come |
| 01:03.40 | jetscreamer | mine does that also venger, not sure why... this laptop does at least |
| 01:04.50 | jetscreamer | firewall? |
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| 01:05.32 | venger | all inside it. i suppose ill have to update linuxbox1 /etc/hosts with the information. after all i'm hardcode dnsmasq/ip's anyway |
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| 01:06.30 | venger | just want to be able to say: ssh linuxbox2.localdomain etc you know? |
| 01:06.33 | nico__ | hi |
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| 01:07.45 | dalias | can anyone recommend a decent font viewer? |
| 01:08.10 | Coweater | waterfall gfontview |
| 01:08.27 | Coweater | gwaterfall* |
| 01:08.54 | nico__ | how can i change the password that is used to decrypt an encrypted disk? |
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| 01:09.36 | dalias | thanks i'll check it out |
| 01:09.44 | nico__ | the one that you set up in the installer when you choose to use an encrypted LVM |
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| 01:09.51 | dalias | gucharmap sucks for comparing fonts, but i guess thats not really its purpose |
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| 01:14.03 | venger | jetscreamer, i did find that linuxbox2 is not reporting its hostname according to /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases |
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| 01:17.39 | JordiGH | Hm. So for the ipw2200-source package... I guess I gotta build the kernel module. Someone got a one-liner for me? |
| 01:18.22 | pipeline | JordiGH: sudo apt-get install build-essential module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a build ipw2200 |
| 01:18.49 | JordiGH | pipeline: That's all? |
| 01:18.54 | JordiGH | Easy enough. |
| 01:19.02 | JordiGH | I'll have to modprobe and add it to /etc/modules. |
| 01:19.23 | JordiGH | And then... well, I wish I had a wireless network to test this. |
| 01:19.25 | pipeline | JordiGH: You didn't say anything about loading it, just building the package :) |
| 01:19.48 | stew | haha, so i upgraded to xorg 7.3, and I'm happy to say that it works, and for the first time, actually, xrandr works |
| 01:19.50 | pipeline | JordiGH: note that m-a is braindead and will use whatever /usr/bin/gcc is.. you should probably cat /proc/version and run gcc -V to find out whether you have the right gcc |
| 01:20.02 | pipeline | JordiGH: if you don't, "export CC=" the right GCC to fix the problem |
| 01:20.04 | stew | but now i have to ask if someone knows what the opposite of xrandr -x is? |
| 01:20.11 | stew | and if they could please write it backwards :) |
| 01:20.19 | JordiGH | pipeline: And what's wrong with the default gcc? |
| 01:20.23 | pipeline | stew: xrandr -x again :P |
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| 01:20.29 | pipeline | JordiGH: there may be nothing wrong |
| 01:20.32 | pipeline | JordiGH: you have to check :P |
| 01:20.39 | JordiGH | pipeline: I mean, which gcc should I use? |
| 01:20.47 | pipeline | JordiGH: check /proc/version to see what built the kernel |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | stew: what did you do ? |
| 01:20.56 | JordiGH | pipeline: oh. |
| 01:21.07 | stew | pipeline, no xrand -x again does the same |
| 01:21.09 | pipeline | JordiGH: build-essential will install the right gcc, but that doesn't guarantee that /usr/bin/gcc is the right one.. there might be half a dozen /usr/bin/gcc-something installed |
| 01:21.14 | pipeline | stew: that sounds like a bug :P |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | xrandr -o normal ? |
| 01:21.35 | pipeline | stew: try "xrandr --reflect normal" |
| 01:22.05 | stew | pipeline: that just dumps the options |
| 01:22.08 | stew | this is so wierd |
| 01:22.49 | pipeline | stew: try xrandr --output --reflect normal then |
| 01:23.13 | stew | pipeline: yeah, i had tried that one too |
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| 01:23.25 | pipeline | stew: hah, driver broke :( |
| 01:23.40 | jetscreamer | new xrandr spec |
| 01:23.41 | stew | ooh, with -x -y its a lot more manageable at least |
| 01:23.44 | jetscreamer | in 7.3 |
| 01:24.16 | abrotman | i'm not on 7.3 yet |
| 01:24.29 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 01:24.45 | JordiGH | m-a failed and gives no indication as to why it failed except for an empty logfile. |
| 01:24.55 | JordiGH | Maybe I don't need to build this module? |
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| 01:25.06 | pipeline | JordiGH: if you don't know how to test it, maybe not :P |
| 01:25.10 | jetscreamer | it would still build |
| 01:25.20 | pipeline | JordiGH: you could just cd /usr/src/modules/ipw2200 and try "debian/rules binary_modules" :P |
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| 01:26.13 | JordiGH | This is weird... |
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| 01:26.48 | jetscreamer | everything is weird... until it's not weird anymore |
| 01:26.53 | stew | ok, -x -y -o inverted got me there |
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| 01:27.25 | JordiGH | I guess I could dig in m-a's Perl source in hopes of getting a real error message. |
| 01:28.19 | stew | oh -o normal would have worked |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | stew: i said that |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | no one listens to me |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | it's like i'm the stupid money .. i just bang on the keyboard! |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | monkey |
| 01:29.17 | JordiGH | !comfort abrotman |
| 01:29.17 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:29.29 | stew | abrotman: i couldn't read anything, if you didn't hilight me i wasn't going to try to read it :) |
| 01:29.39 | kspath | abrotman: keep at it and someday something intelligent will come out? |
| 01:29.48 | pipeline | abrotman: you've been hellbanned |
| 01:29.50 | kspath | abrotman: /me runs and hides |
| 01:29.56 | JordiGH | abrotman: It also would help if you would say whom you were addressing. I know I've missed out on things you say because you don't specify whom you're talking to. |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | stew: oh sure .. blame me |
| 01:30.09 | Agiofws | hi |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | JordiGH: the only person silly enough to refract their X display maybe? |
| 01:30.25 | abrotman | reflect. . whatever it was |
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| 01:30.54 | JordiGH | Refraction would be nice. Let's suggest it to the Compiz fusion devs. :-) |
| 01:31.22 | pipeline | refraction for xnest :D |
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| 01:32.02 | JordiGH | Maybe m-a is failing because I don't have non-free sources? Can Debian distribute the ipw2200 firmware in non-free? |
| 01:32.15 | abrotman | !find ipw2200 etch |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | !ipw2200 install |
| 01:32.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipw2200' (3 of 56): (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/include/config/ipw2200.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7/include/config/ipw2200.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7. |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | !ipw2100 install |
| 01:32.40 | pipeline | JordiGH: seems likely :P |
| 01:33.13 | JordiGH | It doesn't look like there's anything related to ipw2200 in non-free. |
| 01:33.17 | abrotman | i don't think he needs non-free |
| 01:33.19 | JordiGH | Only the contrib stuff. |
| 01:33.25 | JordiGH | !ipw2200 |
| 01:33.25 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
| 01:33.28 | abrotman | he has to get the firmware .. which it likely tells you when you install it |
| 01:33.53 | JordiGH | Looks like I don't need to build anything... just get the firmware. |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | there's a modules package |
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| 01:35.45 | JordiGH | Nice, I didn't know that sf.net resolved to sourceforge. |
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| 01:36.05 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 01:36.23 | JordiGH | Yep. |
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| 01:37.02 | abrotman | i don't have to do anything .. you already did it |
| 01:38.28 | pipeline | the really fun thing is that it doesn't |
| 01:38.32 | pipeline | sf.net resolves separately |
| 01:38.33 | pipeline | no cname |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | goes the same place |
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| 01:44.13 | nico__ | how to see the mapping between the device mapper names and the devices? |
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| 01:44.59 | nico__ | "dmsetup ls" doesn't seem to show the devices, only the names :-/ |
| 01:46.25 | pipeline | nico__: pvdisplay |
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| 01:47.29 | nico__ | pipeline, yeah but the device it shows is /dev/dm-0... isn't it supposed to be /dev/sdaX ? |
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| 01:47.50 | pipeline | nico__: err, there should never be a physical volume on a dm device |
| 01:47.56 | pipeline | nico__: sounds like you have two layers of lvm my hapless friend :( |
| 01:48.16 | JordiGH | wtf. |
| 01:48.25 | JordiGH | udev's version is 0.105. |
| 01:48.44 | JordiGH | Does that really mean there have been 105 beta versions? |
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| 01:49.16 | pipeline | JordiGH: dude, it's udev. Don't go there. |
| 01:49.24 | nico__ | pipeline, what do you mean? it's not pvdisplay is not supposed to display dm-0 as PV name? it's the debian installer that created the encrypted lvm so i guess it knows what it does... doesn't it? :-/ |
| 01:49.27 | pipeline | JordiGH: udev is an abomination. |
| 01:49.35 | mikefoo | Is there a way to echo a string into the begining of a file? >> will append to end of file. I need to opposite. Anyone know? |
| 01:49.43 | pipeline | nico__: encrypted lvm would be a reason to have two layers of dm block devices |
| 01:50.02 | pipeline | nico__: a layer of regular lvm, and then an encrypted device sitting on top. But it seems weird that there wouldn't be PVs for the underlying physical volumes. |
| 01:50.04 | JordiGH | mikefoo: Use cat. |
| 01:50.08 | pipeline | nico__: you're into freaky territory that I don't understand. |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | stew: is there some ranting going on at your place ? |
| 01:50.18 | nico__ | pipeline, :) |
| 01:50.24 | pipeline | mikefoo: cat `command outputting stuff` file > newfile |
| 01:50.35 | stew | abrotman: we're ranting about how ridiculous 'Little Britain' is |
| 01:50.45 | mikefoo | pipeline: ahh that would overwrite file completely.. |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | stew: nothing about gagne ? |
| 01:50.53 | stew | abrotman: not that I've heard |
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| 01:51.01 | abrotman | stew: don't mention it :) |
| 01:51.01 | pipeline | mikefoo: can't use i/o redirects to overwrite a file usually |
| 01:51.03 | JordiGH | Favourite use of cat: text editor. Do "cat - > thefile". |
| 01:51.04 | pipeline | mikefoo: at least not in a sane way |
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| 01:51.21 | pipeline | JordiGH: ed is the standard editor for a reason, son |
| 01:51.49 | nico__ | pipeline, actually what i'm trying to do should be simple: modify the passphrase for the decrytion. from what i gather, it's done by adding a new passprase then deleting the first one via cryptsetup luksAddKey/luksDelKey but these ask me for the *device* name as options, and i don't know them :-/ |
| 01:51.54 | mikefoo | pipeline: I never said.. anything like that. I just asking for a solution, to put a file line of text, into a HUGE file in the begining. |
| 01:52.12 | JordiGH | pipeline: ed's error messages are too confusing. cat helpfully suppresses them. |
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| 01:52.22 | pipeline | mikefoo: unix doesn't work that way: files are added to at the end, not the beginning :P |
| 01:52.44 | pipeline | nico__: err, perhaps the dm0 lvm device IS the device name? |
| 01:52.46 | pipeline | nico__: no leading /dev |
| 01:52.53 | mikefoo | ok, well what are my options? I can open the file ina text editor, too large |
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| 01:54.48 | nico__ | pipeline, actually i'm not even sure which partitions are encrypted... any idea how to check that? |
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| 01:55.24 | nico__ | provided that "cryptsetup status /dev/mapper/blah" returns "command failed" :p |
| 01:55.52 | JordiGH | mick_work: Try this. "cat - thefile > thefile.new". Then type or paste the line you want to add, do C-d when you're done. |
| 01:55.58 | JordiGH | or ^D for you Emacs heathens. |
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| 01:56.29 | ilona | how can i make the mplayer package from marillat always be chosen over the debian one? |
| 01:56.50 | JordiGH | !tell ilona about pinning |
| 01:57.05 | nico__ | !tell nico__ about pinning |
| 01:57.58 | JordiGH | ilona: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
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| 01:58.14 | JordiGH | ilona: You specify the version you want, and you specify Marillat's version. |
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| 01:59.50 | ilona | JordiGH, thanks. works. |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | !tell nico__ about selftell |
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| 02:00.40 | nico__ | okay |
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| 02:02.23 | naught101 | what's the best way to remove a package installed with aptitude, considering that "sudo aptitude purge package" fails due to an error from a sub process? |
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| 02:03.01 | stew | naught101: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 02:04.20 | foo | What do you guys think of doing something like curl -s http://mysite.com/some-script.sh | /bin/bash on remote systems at midnight via cron every night? As a way to mass run something ... right now, just updates, I'm thinking. Versus manually setting up each server with the scripts, or pushing them out via ssh to all the systems. |
| 02:04.23 | naught101 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/702765 |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | foo: and if someone gets to that script ? |
| 02:05.23 | abrotman | naught101: is the daemon started when you purge it ? |
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| 02:05.41 | foo | abrotman: That's the only disadvantage... I've considered that. I think it's the only week point. |
| 02:05.43 | naught101 | abrotman: I've tried it with it stopped and started |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | naught101: then change the postinst .. comment out the stop line |
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| 02:06.07 | naught101 | abrotman: where do I do that? |
| 02:06.15 | stew | naught101: if i were you I'd just short circuit the init script so it does nothing by putting "exit 0" at the top of the init script |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/pdns-recursor.prerm |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | or what stew said .. still same file |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | might want to stop it manually first though |
| 02:06.58 | stew | no, what stew said would be to /etc/init.d/pdns or whatever |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | oh |
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| 02:12.27 | naught101 | thanks abrotman, stew |
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| 02:15.27 | JordiGH | Ack, once again, I wish I could easily obtain the exact URL that apt is trying to download. |
| 02:16.01 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: you can, actually... apt-cache show foopkg; and append the host. |
| 02:16.07 | dondelelcaro | s/ap/pre |
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| 02:16.35 | stew | JordiGH: apt-get --print-uris install foo |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | or apt-get --print-uris |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | i don't think aptitude has a similar option |
| 02:17.27 | dvs | too advanced for aptitude |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:18.48 | JordiGH | stew win |
| 02:18.48 | JordiGH | s |
| 02:18.54 | abrotman | i said it too! |
| 02:19.01 | abrotman | it's like .. i just don't exist :) |
| 02:19.10 | dvs | did you hear something? |
| 02:19.15 | abrotman | i guess you can all dream can't you ... |
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| 02:19.59 | JordiGH | stew said it first, so stew wins. |
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| 02:21.17 | flyinprogramer | looking for a tutorial for installing perl and getting perl scripts working with apache |
| 02:21.22 | flyinprogramer | anyone know of a good one? |
| 02:21.30 | JordiGH | Hm. I wonder if this works. |
| 02:21.32 | JordiGH | !mod_perl |
| 02:21.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mod_perl is in the libapache-mod-perl package, or http://www.modperldev.com, or the best thing since that new fangled already-chopped-up bread. |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-perl2 .. likely |
| 02:21.55 | JordiGH | flyinprogramer: mod_perl, like love, is all you need. |
| 02:22.31 | dondelelcaro | you actually don't even need mod_perl. |
| 02:22.46 | flyinprogramer | so apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 , and it does everything ? |
| 02:23.04 | dondelelcaro | flyinprogramer: do you want to use perl scripts which are CGIs? or do you want ot use mod perl modules? |
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| 02:23.22 | flyinprogramer | perl scripts |
| 02:23.55 | horde | how do you change your locale to english? |
| 02:24.07 | dondelelcaro | flyinprogramer: then just stick them in a directory which is ScriptAlias'ed or Option +ExecCGI |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | horde: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:24.48 | dondelelcaro | or set LANG/LANGUAGE |
| 02:24.49 | flyinprogramer | oh, ok |
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| 02:37.47 | drmitch | how can I automount a samba share iff i connect to a specific wireless network? |
| 02:38.30 | GhostlyDeath | maybe a script? |
| 02:39.23 | drmitch | but how do i automate it w/o running anything? |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | maybe put it in /etc/network/if-up.d ? |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | then perhaps check the SSID you're connected to, then mount that share |
| 02:41.39 | JordiGH | Heh. |
| 02:41.58 | JordiGH | Didn't know that Freenode regulated that. |
| 02:45.37 | dotCOMmie | JordiGH: does it redirect you to abstinence? |
| 02:46.02 | JordiGH | dotCOMmie: Just try it. :-) |
| 02:46.34 | JordiGH | Okay, so... modprobe actually loads a module, right? I'm trying to see what's happening here: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/#issues |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | where'd you put the firmware ? |
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| 02:48.27 | JordiGH | Bah, I just put it in the wrong place. It can't go in a subdirectory. |
| 02:48.45 | jpin | Hi, is there an appropriate channel to talk about makefiles? |
| 02:49.26 | JordiGH | jpin: Probably #gnu or #gcc... but if it's a simple question, maybe we can pretend it's ontopic. :-) |
| 02:50.01 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.44 | jpin | JordiGH: well.. i'm trying to generate new rules when make is called (like having automatically the dependencies handled with g++ -MM) |
| 02:52.03 | Agiofws | how do i fix the time in debian ? |
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| 02:52.43 | dotCOMmie | has anyone tried iwlwifi recently? |
| 02:52.46 | dotCOMmie | Agiofws: date |
| 02:53.14 | JordiGH | jpin: Hm. Wouldn't automake fit the bill better for this? |
| 02:53.23 | blizz | system stops at this point without further errors: "Begin: Waiting for root file system".. what could be wrong? |
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| 02:54.22 | JordiGH | Okay, looks like the firmware is loaded and iwconfig says there's a wireless card there. I don't have a wireless network around, but I'd like to have this thing configged. What should I do next? |
| 02:54.36 | blizz | arrr |
| 02:54.42 | blizz | no /sys mounted, but udev installed |
| 02:54.44 | Agiofws | dotCOMmie, date won't keep the settings till i reboot again |
| 02:54.48 | dotCOMmie | JordiGH: man interfaces? |
| 02:54.58 | dotCOMmie | Agiofws: hwclock |
| 02:55.14 | Agiofws | yes what about it ? |
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| 02:55.18 | tzanger | good evening |
| 02:55.21 | Agiofws | it runs on everyboot up |
| 02:55.25 | JordiGH | Oops, never mind. The Gnome applet thing found a wireless network and is asking me for a password to connect to it. |
| 02:55.32 | Agiofws | i disbale it but still the same |
| 02:55.57 | JordiGH | I guess that means it works. Woohoo. |
| 02:56.00 | tzanger | is there a command or script I can use to pull a complete list of what's installed on one system and tell another freshly-installed system "install all the same stuff" ? |
| 02:56.09 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 02:56.09 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 02:56.11 | tzanger | something to basically clone an install to a dozen other machines or something |
| 02:56.15 | jpin | JordiGH: maybe, thanks for the hint |
| 02:56.28 | dotCOMmie | Agiofws: set date with date and then run hwclock --systohc |
| 02:57.01 | tzanger | abrotman: damn, that's pretty much exactly what I want! I can then tar up /etc and dump it over on the others as well to catch any manual changes |
| 02:57.04 | tzanger | abrotman: thank you! |
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| 02:57.51 | tzanger | !aptitude clone |
| 02:57.51 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 02:58.08 | tzanger | hmm nah dpkg looks cleaner |
| 02:58.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:58.24 | abrotman | less tildes! |
| 02:58.28 | dalias | coweater, waterfall isn't very good :( |
| 02:58.31 | odine | ok, trying to get latest (debian-installer) debian build to install on my HP DV9008NR laptop.... everything installed fine, but when i rebooted and last thing i saw at startup was starting gdm and then black screen... cant get to console or anything to find the exact problem! can anyone help? video card is an nvidia 6150 go |
| 02:58.34 | dalias | you can't customize the sample text |
| 02:58.47 | dalias | so it's of limited use for testing non-latin fonts |
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| 02:59.24 | Agiofws | dotCOMmie, how do i make itget time off the net |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | ntp |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | or chrony |
| 02:59.55 | Agiofws | i ave a command in rc.local but it does not change how ever when i login and execute it manually it works any ideas ? |
| 03:00.17 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 03:00.17 | dpkg | [rc.local] /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
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| 03:01.15 | dotCOMmie | Agiofws: what abrotman, for ntp I suggest openntpd |
| 03:01.19 | Agiofws | so i touch rc.local ? |
| 03:01.20 | Coweater | dalias: you can cycle through stuff, i don't know the terminology for it, but use the buttons next to the increment |
| 03:01.26 | dalias | yeah |
| 03:01.31 | dalias | you can look at character ranged |
| 03:01.33 | dalias | ranges |
| 03:01.38 | dalias | but that's hardly useful |
| 03:01.48 | Agiofws | dotCOMmie, all i do is rdate -s tick.greyware.com |
| 03:01.49 | dalias | you can's see them in context of actual usage |
| 03:01.55 | dalias | you can't see if the font has broken kerning |
| 03:02.02 | dalias | you can't see mandatory ligatures |
| 03:02.03 | dalias | etc. |
| 03:02.13 | Agiofws | but for some reasonit wont take it mayeb becuse the wifi device is not up yet i don;t know |
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| 03:02.46 | dotCOMmie | Agiofws: ntp is very smart. |
| 03:03.24 | Agiofws | dotCOMmie, whst gets ececuted first ? /etc/rc.local || /etc/init.d/rc.local ? |
| 03:03.42 | Agiofws | dotCOMmie, what gets executed first ? /etc/rc.local || /etc/init.d/rc.local ? |
| 03:04.18 | dotCOMmie | Agiofws: read what abrotman pointed out. |
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| 03:12.46 | blizz | now i'm getting /sys/block/sdb/dev: no such file or directory .. waiting N seconds for /sys/block/sdb/sdb2/dev to show up |
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| 03:13.06 | blizz | in the end it says /dev/sdb2 does not exist.. aw.. i see why.. it's sda! god damn it |
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| 03:23.50 | nico8481 | re |
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| 03:33.05 | Bogus8 | where does the monitor powering off option get set? |
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| 03:33.39 | Bogus8 | my laptops monitor shuts off then I have to close the lid and lift it to get it to come back... then sometimes it only comes back with the cursor and a blank screen |
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| 03:34.16 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Usually just pressing a key or moving the mouse should make the monitor come back on |
| 03:34.35 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: negative... brings it back from the screen saver but not the monitor power off |
| 03:34.46 | Wyzard | weird |
| 03:35.15 | Wyzard | Anyway, if you're using GNOME, look in Preferences -> Power Management |
| 03:35.20 | Wyzard | If you're not using GNOME, I don't know |
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| 03:35.46 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: depends on what is shutting it off, but dpms or apm are the classic ones |
| 03:35.58 | dondelelcaro | (if it's a macintosh, it'd be pbbuttonsd |
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| 03:36.20 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: apm is not in kernel |
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| 03:36.38 | Wyzard | APM is superseded by ACPI |
| 03:36.56 | Bogus8 | got that |
| 03:37.46 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: what if you switch to console? |
| 03:38.09 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: it is fine... I do that when it doesn't come back properly and restart gdm |
| 03:38.21 | xaque | What sort of central authentication systems exist for linux? |
| 03:38.25 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: haven't tried from off though actually |
| 03:38.37 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: and what if you toggle console? |
| 03:38.55 | blizz | why do i get this: "/dev/sdb2: Not found or not a block device." after i removed sdb2 from every config in /boot/grub |
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| 03:39.11 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: never tried while monitor power is off but if it comes back messed up (cursor only) I switch there to restart gdm and everthing works |
| 03:39.39 | blizz | err |
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| 03:39.46 | blizz | i'm getting the error when calling grub-install /dev/sda |
| 03:40.40 | dotCOMmie | blizz: whats root set to? |
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| 03:42.46 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: is DPMS set in xorgs monitor section? although you'd probably not see mouse if it wasn't |
| 03:43.30 | blizz | dotCOMmie: hd0,0 |
| 03:43.33 | xaque | Anyone know if there is a way I can use imap to work with calendars and or contacts? |
| 03:43.41 | blizz | er.. hd0,1 |
| 03:43.47 | blizz | which is.. sd_b_, right? |
| 03:43.51 | blizz | aye, i hate grub :) |
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| 03:44.01 | blizz | anyway, for some reason it worked now |
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| 03:45.15 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: dpms is in the monitor section.... and I just set the power preferences to 2 mins and it didn't turn the monitor off :/ |
| 03:46.01 | nevyn | xaque: what are you using as a mail client? |
| 03:46.16 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: I dont really know much about DPMS crap.. KDE manages it for me quite well. |
| 03:46.32 | xaque | nevyn: kmail |
| 03:47.05 | xaque | nevyn: I am looking for a solution though. If I can make calendaring work, I don't care what client. I just want to know how to do it |
| 03:47.16 | Bogus8 | *sigh* linux can be such a pain in the ass |
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| 03:47.51 | stray | Bogus8: maybe try xset +dpms |
| 03:47.53 | Supaplex | *sigh* life |
| 03:48.13 | Bogus8 | stray: ok, now what? |
| 03:49.09 | blizz | dotCOMmie: is hd0,0 correct for sda? |
| 03:49.42 | dotCOMmie | blizz: sda1, yes |
| 03:49.45 | Supaplex | blizz: depends on the bios, and /proc/partitions (which don't always agree on the order) |
| 03:49.55 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: try xset dpms force off |
| 03:50.05 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: if it doesnt wake up try that with on |
| 03:50.41 | blizz | i installed the system from a rescue system over a serial console |
| 03:50.57 | blizz | seems like sda was used by something which disappeared when i booted the system |
| 03:51.04 | blizz | so the partition numbering changed or something |
| 03:51.06 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: it didn't wake up but switching to console and back to F7 brought it back (console didn't come up alone though) |
| 03:52.16 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: dpms force on didn't wake it up either |
| 03:52.30 | dotCOMmie | hmm bogus you can write a hack. switch to console and back using a acpi script |
| 03:52.47 | Bogus8 | oh, and now that it's back up my windows are all messed up (locked with no title bar and such) |
| 03:53.13 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: are you using som weird window manager? |
| 03:53.15 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: so given that it doesn't come back properly that wouldn't work :( |
| 03:53.23 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: umm, I am using compiz |
| 03:53.34 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: maybe its broken? |
| 03:53.41 | Bogus8 | which is now broken since I came back |
| 03:53.54 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: try starting your desktop without xompiz? |
| 03:53.58 | dotCOMmie | compiz* |
| 03:54.05 | Bogus8 | alright |
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| 04:03.42 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: disabling compiz did nothing but keep the windows from crashing when forcing it to come back from switching to console and back |
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| 04:06.17 | dotCOMmie | so it comes back normally when you toggle console? |
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| 04:09.55 | Bogus8 | how do I just keep the monitor from powering off as I don't want to have to play russian rulette with my desktop |
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| 04:11.20 | Supaplex | with your desktop? huh? |
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| 04:12.27 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: you have a screen saver? |
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| 04:12.43 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: yeah |
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| 04:14.08 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: Its weird that DPMS is fucking up your desktop I almost thing something else is at play |
| 04:14.12 | Dwayne__ | i build a limited version of debian and it doesn't have apt-get nor dpkg, how could i go about getting them |
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| 04:14.47 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: main problem is it only wakes if I close the lid and reopen... it recently started not coming back up properly (nope, didn't change a thing) |
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| 04:15.46 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: what if you stop acpid? |
| 04:16.04 | Bogus8 | /etc/init.d ? |
| 04:16.07 | dotCOMmie | yeah |
| 04:16.22 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: ok, stoped it |
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| 04:16.32 | dotCOMmie | close and open screen? |
| 04:16.46 | dotCOMmie | s/screen/lid/ |
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| 04:18.09 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: it went off and came back on |
| 04:18.20 | Bogus8 | (but the cursor only problem isn't EVERY time) |
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| 04:18.55 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: with acpid off.. software doesn't know lid even closed so its all hardware |
| 04:19.00 | silent[ca] | hey, I have a dell wireless 1390 wlan mini-pci card (according to lspci), but the device is not detected/i need drivers for it, which drivers should I get? is there a simple package i can install? |
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| 04:19.20 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: ok... but with it open it still turns off and doesn't come back unless I close and open (that's not hardware) |
| 04:19.48 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: I dont follow. |
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| 04:20.30 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: before (not with apmd off) the monitor would power off (lid open) and you could move the mouse, press keys whatever and it wouldn't come back.. but I could close the lid and open it and it would come back |
| 04:20.47 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: 1390 is a BCM chip I think. |
| 04:20.59 | Bogus8 | and it USED to come back right evertime... recently started coming back sometimes with just cursor only |
| 04:21.39 | silent[ca] | dotCOMmie, how sould I install it? |
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| 04:21.39 | silent[ca] | apparently suse has native support for it, I'm not sure how to acquire through aptitude |
| 04:21.48 | Dwayne__ | can i install .deb files without dpkg |
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| 04:22.10 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: BCM support sux, you can gamble with http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ or the n word.. |
| 04:22.39 | silent[ca] | ndiswrapper? |
| 04:22.40 | dotCOMmie | Bogus8: well what did you change recently? |
| 04:22.47 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: you said it d: |
| 04:22.57 | silent[ca] | I'm really not sure how to use it though |
| 04:23.06 | silent[ca] | I would like to have this running linux by tomorrow... i have class |
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| 04:23.13 | silent[ca] | and i hate vista |
| 04:23.13 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: like I said, absolutely nothing :/ |
| 04:23.59 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: I cant help you there I havent touched it but ask people here about broadcom or on oftc |
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| 04:24.47 | silent[ca] | dotCOMmie, apparently bcm has been in the kernel since 2.17 something |
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| 04:25.09 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: it does not support all cards as far as I understand. |
| 04:25.18 | CaT[tm] | is there anyone here on a 64bit box with the mbr utility installed? if so can they do 'file /sbin/install-mbr' and tell me if it says 'Intel 80386' or 'AMD x86-64'? |
| 04:25.20 | silent[ca] | so how would I use ndiswrapper? |
| 04:25.44 | silent[ca] | should I WINE the windows insaller |
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| 04:27.25 | CaT[tm] | for some reason when I install it I get a 32bit binary. |
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| 04:29.21 | dotCOMmie | CaT[tm]: wiglaf01:~# file /sbin/install-mbr |
| 04:29.21 | dotCOMmie | /sbin/install-mbr: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 04:30.47 | silent[ca] | how can I change my repositories... in the install it listed repositories in my area, how would I access that list again? |
| 04:31.06 | CaT[tm] | dotcomie: looks like it's meant to be a 32bit binary in a 64bit world. :/ |
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| 04:33.32 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:35.34 | silent[ca] | dotCOMmie, but I need the actual sources |
| 04:36.03 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 04:37.34 | dotCOMmie | silent[ca]: there are also 2 nifty packages which help you select mirrors netselect-apt and apt-spy |
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| 04:43.44 | P_Kable | how can I cancel a non responding command on a deb terminal please ? ctrl+x won't wort |
| 04:43.48 | P_Kable | work* |
| 04:44.35 | P_Kable | I found it ctrl+z |
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| 04:49.24 | horde | is it possible to give screen an alias? |
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| 04:50.17 | rahul | horde: no |
| 04:50.36 | rahul | well, there might be a trick in some shells |
| 04:50.37 | Tallu | horde: screen -S name |
| 04:50.46 | Tallu | if you meant that, not sure! |
| 04:50.48 | rahul | oh, the session itself |
| 04:50.53 | rahul | yeah, depends what he means. |
| 04:51.01 | Tallu | yeah, the question was rather vague |
| 04:51.26 | horde | like instead of screen -r 1234 i would like to remember it as screen -r downloads |
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| 04:52.11 | Tallu | screen -S downloads |
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| 04:52.49 | horde | ahh..neat trick thanks |
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| 04:57.14 | john | how do i install a kernel if i just used 'make' to compile it? |
| 04:57.29 | Guerin | compile it again using make-kpkg |
| 04:57.35 | Guerin | john: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 04:57.45 | john | youre so funny |
| 04:57.52 | Guerin | it's not a joke |
| 04:57.52 | john | compile it again >.< |
| 04:57.57 | Guerin | do it once, do it right |
| 04:58.35 | blk-majik | its not that bad these days ;) |
| 04:58.55 | Guerin | the fuck-up fairy will thank you if you try to do it manually |
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| 04:59.26 | blk-majik | i remember when i would only do compiles of 2.0.36 over night cause it would finish just after i wake up the next day ;) |
| 04:59.29 | blk-majik | assuming if didnt fail |
| 05:00.42 | john | thats what i did :-) |
| 05:01.07 | john | its 7:00 AM here |
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| 05:22.25 | Bogus8 | dotCOMmie: you still around? even with apmd stopped my monitor is still powering off |
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| 05:24.52 | Coweater | !dpms |
| 05:24.52 | dpkg | [dpms] know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 05:25.23 | Coweater | Bogus8: read that, the config file options are documented in man xorg.conf |
| 05:26.24 | Bogus8 | Coweater: ok, I do have dpms in xorg.conf and when I use force off I can't get my monitor back on unless I close the lid and reopen (which is what happens in "timeout") |
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| 05:26.32 | Bogus8 | Coweater: but how do I disable it completely since I can't seem to fix it |
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| 05:26.57 | Bogus8 | I don't want my monitor to power off (it doesn't always come back properly from a lid close/open) |
| 05:31.20 | Coweater | that sounds like an acpi thing, dunno there |
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| 05:32.18 | Coweater | google around a bit and you'll find some stuff on acpi and closing laptop lids, something ought to be applicable |
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| 05:34.33 | Bogus8 | Coweater: alrigth... thanks |
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| 05:35.05 | abchirk | np |
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| 05:38.58 | alfadir | hi, see the problem (EE) mouse: cannot open input pEvdev and (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "mouse" for Xorg and the mouse does not work. Any hints ? I alreay saw that #442852 has that text, but concerns another bug. (a crash in libpixman) My X runs, just that the mouse does not work. |
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| 05:43.33 | abchirk | Which input device you took alfadir |
| 05:43.59 | horde | i didnt know rar on debian is shareware -_- |
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| 05:46.54 | Jaggz- | I jigdo'ed the debian dvd's but it's leaving .iso.tmp's around |
| 05:47.43 | Jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.51 | Jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.05 | Jaggz- | I'm not sure what to do about it |
| 05:48.45 | abchirk | mh checked the md5sum? |
| 05:49.01 | alfadir | abchirk: i have had it working until yesterday.. it is using the evdev driver |
| 05:49.41 | alfadir | abchirk: using the option "vendor" "product" "version" to pick out the usb mouse (MX510) |
| 05:50.03 | abchirk | mh k no idea about that |
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| 05:51.48 | alfadir | abchirk: ok, thanks.. it has been working for 2 years, but died yesterday some x packages were updated.. well running sid, so have to figure out the problem myself.. just wanted to check if someone knew.. |
| 05:52.30 | abchirk | mh I guess its sleeping time in USA and a little bit UK where most users come from |
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| 05:54.10 | stiv2k | Hi, how can i set up a new eth3 that points to the same device as eth2 but i can use eth3 when i'm on my school's wireless network and eth2 w/ WPA on my home network |
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| 06:02.12 | jonathan_ | whats up guys |
| 06:02.16 | jonathan_ | i just discovered this |
| 06:02.19 | jonathan_ | http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.us.debian.org%2F |
| 06:02.33 | jonathan_ | Debian.org displays CSS link but fails validation |
| 06:02.44 | jonathan_ | Scandalous. |
| 06:02.59 | jonathan_ | Could it because of secret ties to "Mozilla" crime organization? |
| 06:03.13 | abchirk | yeah moz-border is fx related... so its good they dont take care for M$ :) |
| 06:03.27 | abchirk | or of M$? |
| 06:03.31 | jonathan_ | the great thing about that property is that it doesn't bug IE :) |
| 06:03.54 | abchirk | How you say this right... of M$ or for M$? |
| 06:04.03 | jonathan_ | a web designer can use it care-free for nice-looking, low-resource curvy box corners. |
| 06:04.32 | jonathan_ | they don't take care "of" M$ is probably fine |
| 06:04.43 | abchirk | Yeah if you want curvy borders in IE you need for small pictures with curves |
| 06:04.54 | abchirk | ok thx :P I am from Germany ;) |
| 06:05.17 | jonathan_ | if you want curves in IE you are either insane or working for a computer with their head in MS's ass |
| 06:05.24 | jonathan_ | corporation i mean |
| 06:05.50 | jonathan_ | here is my site it is nice. http://jonathan-silverman.com |
| 06:06.35 | abchirk | looks good..but I would change the green against a modern color :D |
| 06:06.54 | jonathan_ | right |
| 06:06.59 | abchirk | k having a shower now. :) |
| 06:07.00 | jonathan_ | im workin on it |
| 06:07.02 | jonathan_ | night |
| 06:07.18 | alfadir | jonathan_: also note that http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/about.html "So, this is the authority on what is correct CSS and what isn't? |
| 06:07.21 | abchirk | night? :P Its morning here just got up :D |
| 06:07.54 | abchirk | alfadir moz-border is correct CSS too, but IE doesnt support it ;) |
| 06:08.34 | alfadir | abchirk: sure, you don't have to tell me how bad IE is.. ever tried to serve it xhtml ? |
| 06:09.13 | alfadir | abchirk: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/15/467901.aspx |
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| 06:11.15 | alfadir | btw I rewrite the header for IE clients but having problem making a rewrite rule for / -> /index. IE will read http://host/index but not http://host/ (the actual filename at the end is index.en.xhtml apache2 content negotiation) |
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| 06:12.50 | alfadir | would like to have a rule / -> /index that works http://host/ -> http://host/index and http://host/dir/ -> http://host/dir/index |
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| 06:15.56 | [tor] | Is there a way to rebuild a package without recompiling it? I have only changed some postconf stuff and dont want to wait for a complete recompile |
| 06:16.08 | abchirk | hehe ok := |
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| 06:21.07 | abchirk | Ok I go to school now. Have a nice day or night, whatever :P |
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| 06:30.39 | Sarious | help! i'm trying to convince my friends not to use Linspire |
| 06:30.49 | Sarious | *friend |
| 06:31.08 | bobfarrell | apt-get remove friend |
| 06:31.22 | bobfarrell | Problem solved. |
| 06:31.26 | Selenolycus | Sarious: Why? |
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| 06:31.34 | Selenolycus | Are they currently using it? |
| 06:31.41 | Sarious | yes :( |
| 06:31.52 | bobfarrell | We're not evangelists. :) |
| 06:31.54 | Selenolycus | So, what exactly is the problem? |
| 06:32.10 | Sarious | i want to teach my friend to respect her own freedom |
| 06:32.39 | Selenolycus | Sarious: One's own freedom cannot be respected using Linspire? |
| 06:32.45 | xingu | avast ye, ye scurvy scum |
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| 06:33.33 | Sarious | not with all that proprietary garbage |
| 06:34.19 | Selenolycus | Howso? |
| 06:34.23 | don7337 | am i lagging? |
| 06:34.27 | don7337 | ew |
| 06:34.28 | Selenolycus | I don't know, are you? |
| 06:34.30 | bobfarrell | Sarious: You must respect her freedom to use proprietary garbage. |
| 06:34.37 | don7337 | heh.. hello all |
| 06:34.53 | Selenolycus | bobfarrell makes the winning point. |
| 06:34.55 | OuiD | [tor]: u can use dpkg-deb -b or directly ar. dpkg-repack if its already installed |
| 06:35.10 | Sarious | i guess i expected more hard core types from #debian |
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| 06:35.25 | bobfarrell | We're hardcore liberals. |
| 06:35.29 | Sarious | sence i got chewed out one time for trying to install firefox |
| 06:35.35 | Selenolycus | o_O |
| 06:35.39 | Selenolycus | By whom? |
| 06:35.47 | [tor] | OuiD: thx will look into that. |
| 06:35.56 | Sarious | umm.. its been a while |
| 06:36.25 | Selenolycus | My step-grandfather, who used to be quite good with computers, has decided that all 'freeware' is also 'malware' and dislikes Firefox for that reason. |
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| 06:37.12 | don7337 | is it malware? |
| 06:37.13 | bobfarrell | Depends what he means by freeware I guess. |
| 06:37.24 | Sarious | freeware or free software? |
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| 06:37.42 | Selenolycus | "Freeware" in his mind is anything that is zero-cost. |
| 06:37.54 | Sarious | i would have to agree then |
| 06:38.00 | Selenolycus | And downloaded from the interwebs. |
| 06:38.08 | xingu | Selenolycus: is his name "bill gates" ? |
| 06:38.16 | Selenolycus | Nah. |
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| 06:38.28 | bobfarrell | Sarious: not everything zero cost is bad. |
| 06:38.47 | Selenolycus | And not everything that is zero cost is "freeware." |
| 06:38.51 | xingu | bobfarrell: air's pretty good; so's consciousness. |
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| 06:39.06 | Selenolycus | Freeware usually refers to closed-source zero-cost software. |
| 06:39.15 | bobfarrell | xingu: Yeah, and drugs! |
| 06:39.18 | bobfarrell | Oh... |
| 06:39.20 | Sarious | i got confused |
| 06:39.36 | Sarious | i thought freeware as in closed source shareware |
| 06:39.37 | Selenolycus | I tried installing FreeBSD the other day. |
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| 06:39.43 | Sarious | like AIM |
| 06:39.43 | rvalles | Selenolycus: privative. |
| 06:39.54 | xingu | Selenolycus: keel-haul the scurvy dog and feast on his detritus |
| 06:39.55 | Selenolycus | Privative? |
| 06:39.59 | rvalles | yeah |
| 06:40.08 | rvalles | it takes your rights away |
| 06:40.12 | don7337 | freebsd ain't bad |
| 06:40.14 | troubled | xingu: ;) |
| 06:40.27 | Selenolycus | Debian has a FreeBSD port itself. :-P |
| 06:40.40 | bobfarrell | I don't trust FreeBSD licensing. |
| 06:40.47 | Selenolycus | I don't mind BSD licensing. |
| 06:41.00 | bobfarrell | It can be kind of dangerous. |
| 06:41.07 | xingu | yarr, booty |
| 06:41.18 | Selenolycus | Dangerous in what sense? |
| 06:41.33 | don7337 | hmm |
| 06:41.47 | bobfarrell | From what I understand, it can lead to circumstances where you can lose control of your code. |
| 06:41.50 | troubled | yaaarrrrr |
| 06:41.52 | rexor | no wlasnie jesli kto bedzie mial urodziny w dniu wyborow to moze glosowac?;> |
| 06:42.03 | rexor | srry, not that window |
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| 06:42.20 | Selenolycus | What do you mean by "lose control?" As in, you can't tell someone else what they can/can't do with it? |
| 06:42.44 | Selenolycus | Or lose control as in you can't yourself do what you wish with it? |
| 06:42.52 | bobfarrell | The latter. |
| 06:43.07 | bobfarrell | I'm only going on what I've heard, I can't say I've done any of my own research so don't quote me on it. :) |
| 06:43.13 | bobfarrell | Don't want to go around setting fires. |
| 06:43.32 | Selenolycus | Sure you don't, you closet pyro. |
| 06:43.47 | nevyn | Arrr |
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| 06:46.29 | Sarious | are there any other distros like debian that are 100% non proprietary |
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| 06:47.11 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 06:47.52 | troubled | Sarious: there are distros other than debian?! |
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| 06:48.40 | bobfarrell | Sarious: I think slackware's pretty down with that line of thinking. |
| 06:48.59 | Nazcafan | how do I set the japanese defont fault ? |
| 06:49.20 | Nazcafan | how do I set the japanese default font ? |
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| 06:50.07 | SerajewelKS | !tell Nazcafan about repeat |
| 06:50.27 | Nazcafan | SerajewelKS: it was not the same question |
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| 06:50.36 | Nazcafan | the first question was wrons |
| 06:50.37 | Nazcafan | wrong |
| 06:50.40 | SerajewelKS | ah indeed, oops |
| 06:50.45 | Nazcafan | no problem |
| 06:50.46 | troubled | Nazcafan: forgive our dislexic friend |
| 06:51.00 | SerajewelKS | troubled: don't you mean dyslexic? |
| 06:51.06 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 06:51.19 | troubled | err dyslexic* |
| 06:51.28 | troubled | yes, thats the one |
| 06:51.28 | SerajewelKS | troubled: right back atcha :) |
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| 06:51.35 | Nazcafan | SerajewelKS, troubled sorry, I am kind of perturbated, just got very bad news |
| 06:52.05 | SerajewelKS | Nazcafan: i'm not dyslexic, he's just teasing |
| 06:52.45 | troubled | Nazcafan: please, don't share. No need to bring down the channel with your misery |
| 06:52.48 | horde | any idea how to fix a /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found error? |
| 06:52.49 | Nazcafan | SerajewelKS: my problem is that I installed an extra japanese font, but, it was installed as the default font when typing japanese |
| 06:52.54 | SerajewelKS | i have, however, been writing a paper due tomorrow for about two hours and it's now 3am, so that may have something to do with it |
| 06:53.19 | Nazcafan | SerajewelKS: east coast ? |
| 06:53.32 | Nazcafan | here I am supposed to go to work |
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| 06:53.46 | SerajewelKS | Nazcafan: i don't know really, that depends on a plethora of factors and i'm not very experienced with how debian does font settings |
| 06:54.00 | SerajewelKS | Nazcafan: EDT, yes |
| 06:54.10 | Nazcafan | EDT ? |
| 06:54.27 | SerajewelKS | eastern daylight time |
| 06:54.30 | Nazcafan | grrr |
| 06:54.38 | Nazcafan | ooh ok |
| 06:54.45 | troubled | Nazcafan: so the problem is you can't understand anything you type in X? |
| 06:54.48 | SerajewelKS | GMT-4 |
| 06:54.52 | Nazcafan | troubled: no |
| 06:55.04 | Nazcafan | troubled, I type french and japanese |
| 06:55.11 | bobfarrell | And English. |
| 06:55.25 | troubled | wow, 3 languages |
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| 06:55.35 | Nazcafan | I consider English to be a subset of french, in terms of fonts :-p |
| 06:55.40 | bobfarrell | (Tu parles anglais tres bien, on devrait dire). |
| 06:55.57 | SerajewelKS | i'm taking spanish this semester |
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| 06:56.29 | Nazcafan | the thing is that when you type japanese, there is a replacement font for your default font, since there is now way that sans can display japanese |
| 06:56.42 | SerajewelKS | which brings up a question i've had for a while. what input mode or whatever would i use to type accented characters? using gucharmap every time gets old, and linux doesn't do the ALT+unicode deal |
| 06:56.54 | Nazcafan | éééé àààà â âââ |
| 06:57.14 | SerajewelKS | ok cool |
| 06:57.16 | bobfarrell | ø@þøe¶→ |
| 06:57.20 | SerajewelKS | that doesn't really answer my question though |
| 06:57.20 | Nazcafan | SerajewelKS: best thing is to use a dvorak-fr keyboard |
| 06:57.40 | SerajewelKS | Nazcafan: i use dvorak for english already |
| 06:57.50 | Nazcafan | SerajewelKS: don't be girly |
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| 06:57.57 | bobfarrell | This Dvorak thing will get old. |
| 06:57.59 | Nazcafan | I have to restart xcaht |
| 06:57.59 | SerajewelKS | what? |
| 06:58.13 | SerajewelKS | what's girly about dvorak |
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| 06:58.27 | SerajewelKS | Nazcafan: what's girly about dvorak |
| 06:58.37 | Nazcafan | just a joke |
| 06:58.40 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 06:58.44 | rvalles | SerajewelKS: girls who can't use qwerty use dvorak |
| 06:58.47 | rvalles | :) |
| 06:59.02 | SerajewelKS | i'm not looking for a keymap with accented characters on them, i'm looking for a shorter way to type them than copy-paste |
| 06:59.09 | bobfarrell | RSI puts hairs on your chest. |
| 06:59.12 | SerajewelKS | rvalles: hahaha funny... :/ |
| 06:59.20 | rvalles | hehe |
| 06:59.21 | Nazcafan | so when I install this new font it is set as the default japanese font instead of sazanami-gothic |
| 06:59.31 | bobfarrell | Sarious: I hold AltGr and press keys but I think it's got a habit of looking different to other users. |
| 06:59.43 | Nazcafan | whch kinda pisses me off, since it is the equivalent of the "kids" windows font |
| 06:59.47 | bobfarrell | So I don't really bother. If I'm typing French I just assume the user can fill in the blanks. |
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| 06:59.57 | SerajewelKS | bobfarrell: was that to me? |
| 07:00.08 | Nazcafan | 日本語 |
| 07:00.09 | bobfarrell | SerajewelKS: Yes. :) |
| 07:00.16 | Nazcafan | ok, it got back to normal |
| 07:00.25 | bobfarrell | Nazcafan: Congratulations. |
| 07:00.27 | gener1c | how do i check my bios battery via command line? |
| 07:00.28 | SerajewelKS | hey looky there, i have japanese fonts installed |
| 07:00.29 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: kcharselect for a change? :-> |
| 07:00.42 | Nazcafan | bobfarrell: I had to uninstall this bloody font |
| 07:00.54 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: ugh |
| 07:01.02 | gener1c | i think its empty |
| 07:01.12 | gener1c | lost all charge |
| 07:01.22 | SerajewelKS | gener1c: i'm not aware of any motherboard that provides sensing of the CMOS battery levels |
| 07:01.33 | gener1c | humz |
| 07:01.34 | troubled | gener1c: does the date set when you power down, unplug the mobo and discharge with powewr button? |
| 07:01.37 | gener1c | there is that warning |
| 07:01.38 | jelly-home | gener1c: maybe it's just resting |
| 07:01.53 | SerajewelKS | gener1c: turn the box off and back on. is it january 1, 2006? then yes. |
| 07:01.56 | troubled | s/set/reset/ |
| 07:02.15 | gener1c | the date keeps on changing no matter what |
| 07:02.28 | gener1c | i dunno if its coz of the os settings or coz of something else |
| 07:02.44 | SerajewelKS | buy a battery and test it |
| 07:02.50 | SerajewelKS | they're not that expensive |
| 07:02.51 | gener1c | heh |
| 07:02.55 | troubled | i also have yet to see a mobo that can detect power levels in the cmos battery, but possibly for sure. just not aware of anything in the bios in place to even report such a sensor short of lm |
| 07:03.38 | troubled | possible* |
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| 07:04.17 | gener1c | wll ill check the bios date |
| 07:04.28 | SerajewelKS | i'm just not sure why that kind of sensing would be useful |
| 07:04.30 | gener1c | not prone to chaos like the clock in the os |
| 07:04.45 | troubled | hmmm, anyone else notice the debian logo on digg's server graphic? |
| 07:05.06 | bobfarrell | Not I. |
| 07:05.15 | troubled | gener1c: hwclock can report that |
| 07:05.17 | bobfarrell | Don't think I've ever used it. |
| 07:05.22 | bobfarrell | And don't have images anyway. :) |
| 07:05.25 | badcfe | \j ##c |
| 07:05.30 | gener1c | oh nice |
| 07:05.31 | badcfe | shit |
| 07:05.34 | troubled | bobfarrell: go check out digg.com right now while its down, look at the enlarged logo |
| 07:05.39 | dalias | badcfe, lol |
| 07:05.42 | bobfarrell | troubled: Yes sir. |
| 07:05.57 | dalias | you're like the people who say "h t t p colon backslash backslash" on the radio :P |
| 07:06.07 | bobfarrell | troubled: Heh, cool. |
| 07:06.15 | gener1c | wow hwclock gives me a weird output |
| 07:06.31 | troubled | bobfarrell: missing from the favicon.ico, never noticed til now :) |
| 07:06.46 | SerajewelKS | dalias: some of the people at the ITS dept here stress that part of the url |
| 07:06.58 | SerajewelKS | dalias: because if it's not there "the computer will get angry" |
| 07:07.00 | troubled | which means the digg ppl are probably in here or on oftc. so wtf guys, c'mon! :) |
| 07:07.09 | gener1c | sol:/home/solekiller# hwclock --show |
| 07:07.09 | gener1c | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 07:07.31 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: esp. the backslash bit :-) |
| 07:07.41 | dalias | gener1c, maybe mplayer has /dev/rtc tied up? :P |
| 07:07.47 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: ok minus that but you get the idea |
| 07:07.59 | gener1c | mplayer is off |
| 07:08.04 | SerajewelKS | it's as annoying as people who call the big tower with the pieces in it the "CPU" |
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| 07:08.36 | troubled | gener1c: is rtc module loaded? |
| 07:08.43 | gener1c | humz |
| 07:08.55 | gener1c | lsmod? |
| 07:08.59 | troubled | sure |
| 07:09.16 | gener1c | yeah |
| 07:09.18 | troubled | not sure why it wouldnt be (auto)loaded on a default system though |
| 07:09.25 | gener1c | lsmod |grep -i rtc |
| 07:09.26 | gener1c | rtc 12760 0 |
| 07:09.34 | dalias | woop, switching X to 15bpp cut back some of my bloat |
| 07:09.47 | troubled | gener1c: what happens without --show? |
| 07:09.52 | gener1c | same |
| 07:10.03 | gener1c | tried it befor --show |
| 07:10.10 | troubled | figured as much :( no idea. that doesnt sound healthy though |
| 07:10.13 | RvGaTe | good morning ! |
| 07:10.28 | bobfarrell | Evening. |
| 07:10.30 | troubled | moin |
| 07:10.38 | gener1c | running deb on a dell |
| 07:10.38 | RvGaTe | i feel like SHIT |
| 07:10.40 | gener1c | risky |
| 07:11.44 | bobfarrell | Rum? |
| 07:11.53 | gener1c | yo ho ho |
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| 07:13.09 | RvGaTe | aarggg |
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| 07:13.51 | bobfarrell | troubled: Heheh, yeah, I remember when that first came abotu. |
| 07:13.57 | bobfarrell | s/abotu/about/ |
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| 07:16.06 | piko | Hi, I would like to know if one could build own kernel with xen support on debian (some drivers are necessary so at least 2.6.18, better 2.6.22). I searched some patches/sources for xen but have not succeded. Could anyone point me to some or to some docs related to xen kernel compilation? |
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| 07:21.16 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:22.12 | troubled | Moin! |
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| 07:22.21 | laurly | anyone have a good chmod cheet sheet? |
| 07:22.44 | petemc | laurly: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 07:23.20 | laurly | what a nice bot thanks :) |
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| 07:23.45 | troubled | laurly: Ahoy! We be your cheat sheet matey, lest ye be doubtin' our smarts |
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| 07:24.23 | RiverRat | http://www.xkcd.com/306/ |
| 07:24.31 | RiverRat | (It is Debian related) |
| 07:24.36 | laurly | i dont like to ask questions i could look up. save you guys for when im really stumped :) but i got virtual hosting to work |
| 07:25.03 | RiverRat | nice. :) |
| 07:25.34 | laurly | just think now that im baby siting the server its time i stop chmoding everthing 777 |
| 07:25.35 | piko | Oh, sorry, I cen see it now. |
| 07:25.41 | troubled | RiverRat: yar? |
| 07:25.47 | troubled | s/yar/yarr/ :) |
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| 07:26.30 | bobfarrell | RiverRat: Hehehe. |
| 07:26.35 | RiverRat | :) |
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| 07:27.10 | troubled | laurly: Yes, now would be the time to be stopping that |
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| 07:27.22 | backco | Ciao, io sono Alessandro Saitta di 38 anni a Follonica(GR) in via Cassarello 131 (detto Spammer Arcano) . Fai doppio click qui: http://www.beam.to/alexsaitta e lasciami un messaggio a: http://globalguest.com/gb2/SAITTA/sign.html /join #Saitta_Crew [Saitta SpamScript] |
| 07:27.33 | RiverRat | Or change to windows. Isn't that their default security setting? |
| 07:27.36 | laurly | troubled yeah kinda though it would come back to bite me some day |
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| 07:28.55 | ApEtc | moron |
| 07:29.04 | SerajewelKS | can we get a ban |
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| 07:29.06 | laurly | oh i did it :) |
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| 07:29.19 | troubled | laurly: yarr. Lest ye be savvy to the purtid bile of the sea flowing in from yer open decks |
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| 07:29.34 | SerajewelKS | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 07:30.05 | troubled | putrid* |
| 07:30.18 | laurly | stay of my decks you |
| 07:30.32 | troubled | yaharrr! |
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| 07:30.42 | laurly | hmm ok that didnt work |
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| 07:31.38 | laurly | hmm think i need to find me a recursive chmod comand |
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| 07:32.29 | ApEtc | laurly: -R ? |
| 07:32.39 | troubled | ^^^ |
| 07:32.47 | laurly | chmod a+rx <-- did that |
| 07:33.01 | bobfarrell | laurly: ls -r | xargs chmod |
| 07:33.25 | troubled | laurly: chmod -R a+rx * |
| 07:33.29 | wols | laurly: chmod -R a+rx |
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| 07:33.39 | ApEtc | anyone else want to jump in? :) |
| 07:33.43 | bobfarrell | Hehehe. |
| 07:33.47 | laurly | hehe |
| 07:33.47 | troubled | arrrggggh! |
| 07:34.48 | troubled | laurly: ye best fancy my treasury booty lest ye fancy a night at the keels |
| 07:35.04 | smhar | I am still in the search for a good package proxy that will work with my old low specs server, I am now trying approx but I am getting 403 error when I do apt-get update from the client |
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| 07:35.10 | laurly | sweet that worked |
| 07:35.17 | Canadian | sweet. |
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| 07:35.48 | bobfarrell | ~/notes/ |
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| 07:36.06 | bobfarrell | Good to keep a record of your tips. |
| 07:36.11 | troubled | smhar: squid? |
| 07:36.31 | laurly | yups :) |
| 07:36.48 | laurly | so tell me how bad is setting up email on a new domain name? |
| 07:36.56 | smhar | troubled, no squid, it is said that it is not recommended for debian packages because of the difference if file sized they deal both with |
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| 07:37.23 | troubled | smhar: yarr? |
| 07:37.34 | smhar | troubled, I tried apt-proxy but couldn't make it work, but it was probably me |
| 07:37.43 | bobfarrell | laurly: easy comme pie. |
| 07:37.50 | Canadian | has anyone ever heard of mail not being set due to a connection time out? |
| 07:37.57 | Canadian | with courier. |
| 07:38.10 | smhar | troubled, everywhere I read it was the same, squid is dealing with mostly small files so it will skip some packages |
| 07:38.25 | laurly | bobfarrell: nice once i get all the sites up and runing we can play with that |
| 07:38.25 | troubled | ah |
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| 07:39.04 | troubled | smhar: you can edit the squid config to use bigger files in the cache. although apt-proxy might be a bit more speicific to debian if your looking for package cache specifically |
| 07:39.33 | troubled | smhar: that or perhaps aptmirror? |
| 07:39.36 | smhar | troubled, I am looking for package cache specifically |
| 07:39.52 | troubled | sorry, debmirror I think its called |
| 07:39.57 | bobfarrell | Hey, what the hell happened to Tuesday? |
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| 07:40.22 | smhar | troubled, apt-mirror, I do not to mirror the whole thing, only downloaded packages, this is for a small home network of upto 5 computers |
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| 07:41.23 | troubled | smhar: debmirror can just make a repo out of stuff you have installed |
| 07:41.44 | troubled | smhar: it can move them from cache into a proper mirror hierarchy which you can then share via http/ftp |
| 07:42.33 | troubled | Canadian: mail is allowed to time out. redelivery is attmpted based on some preconfigured value should the primary and secondary MX's fail |
| 07:43.15 | smhar | troubled, I will try that as will.. I also read abot apt-cacher but it depends on apache and I do not think my P2 233 with 64MB will handle that :-) |
| 07:43.22 | Canadian | yeah but mail to a yahoo account shouldnt be timing out, |
| 07:43.28 | wols | smhar: it will |
| 07:43.39 | troubled | smhar: you would be surprised how small requirements are for stuff like that |
| 07:43.43 | wols | smhar: it only doesn't handle stuff like php and possibly mysql |
| 07:44.23 | smhar | wols, troubled ?!! |
| 07:44.27 | wols | Canadian: are you using the coruier MTA? |
| 07:44.31 | bobfarrell | Canadian: is it a permanent problem? |
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| 07:44.36 | troubled | smhar: its mostly just a fs transfer really |
| 07:44.40 | bobfarrell | How long has the problem been happening for and does it sometimes work? |
| 07:44.45 | wols | smhar: a p233 can handle apache just fine |
| 07:44.48 | Canadian | yes on the MTA |
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| 07:44.58 | smhar | wols, but the memory?! |
| 07:45.18 | Canadian | its not permenant, but the mail has been in the queue for nearly 12 hours now. |
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| 07:45.23 | troubled | smhar: you think your home, off-the-shelf router has anywhere near that much ram? |
| 07:45.52 | wols | smhar: apache needs somewhere between 4-8MB RAM max. and that's quite generously calculated |
| 07:45.56 | bobfarrell | Canadian: have you tried pinging the server on the appropriate port to see if you can make any connection? |
| 07:46.04 | Canadian | i cant send any mail to the outside world. |
| 07:46.06 | wols | smhar: again: it's php and the SQL server which are the hogs |
| 07:46.16 | Canadian | yep and its good. |
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| 07:46.33 | petemc | Canadian: nothing in the logs? |
| 07:46.33 | bobfarrell | Have you setup or installed anything that might affect your ports? |
| 07:46.58 | troubled | Canadian: chances are everyone else doesnt like your ip sending them mail directly perhaps |
| 07:47.14 | troubled | that or your isp blocks outgoing smtp? |
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| 07:48.09 | smhar | troubled, it seems that debmirror will download every thing for the specified platform , but maybe it is just my reading |
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| 07:48.36 | troubled | smhar: thats the normal use. but it does have an option to just move the current cache to the mirror dir as well |
| 07:48.45 | bobfarrell | Canadian: I can only suggest to use an alternative smtp server for now. |
| 07:48.56 | smhar | wols, troubled then I will try apt-cacher too |
| 07:48.57 | bobfarrell | But I'm pretty tired so maybe there's a better solution. |
| 07:49.09 | Canadian | ok thanks |
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| 07:50.28 | smhar | troubled, what I want is to for the client computers to request files through apt-get and the server will download them and cache them there then allows the client to use the file, when another client wants the same file, it will just give it to it locally |
| 07:51.28 | smhar | troubled, I have around 4 computers to update and the internet is with a threshold, so I want to save |
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| 07:51.59 | troubled | smhar: apt-proxy might be better than |
| 07:52.12 | troubled | debmirror is meant to be built ahead of time for the clients |
| 07:53.06 | smhar | troubled, so it is time for my first ever apache installation. and visits to #apache :-) |
| 07:53.25 | troubled | smhar: for what its worth, if you can spare the bandwidth, download the 3 (or 6 with source) dvd isos and put them on the server and offer then via http/ftp for the clients. that covers 99% of everything you will need (cept the 1% of security updates) |
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| 07:54.54 | smhar | troubled, only the server itself is running debian stable, the others are 3 PCs are running testing so I will need a regular downloading and updates :-) |
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| 07:55.46 | troubled | oh |
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| 07:56.27 | lindenle | Is there any thing in ssh that can resume partial file transfers? i.e. I get half of the file then connection goes dead. |
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| 07:56.39 | petemc | lindenle: rsync |
| 07:56.46 | smhar | troubled, I have 15GB of bandwidth /month so I can download some files, although we are promised unlimited internet ... soooooon |
| 07:56.51 | lindenle | does it do parts of one file? |
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| 07:56.58 | lindenle | petemc ^^ |
| 07:57.11 | petemc | lindenle: sure |
| 07:57.14 | lindenle | petemc: like if a file is 900MB and i have the first 600MB |
| 07:57.20 | troubled | smhar: i still like the idea of squid though. Just bump the size of an object up to something like 25mb or maybe even 50mb. should catch just about anything you will ever download |
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| 07:58.02 | lindenle | petemc: do i need any special options |
| 07:58.31 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it safe to remove the content of the folder "/var/cache/apt" ? |
| 07:58.49 | troubled | lord_rob: apt-get clean |
| 07:58.49 | lord_rob | (not its subfolder archives) |
| 07:58.53 | petemc | lindenle: read up on it, most often i use rsync -avz sourcefile user@host:destfile |
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| 07:59.33 | lindenle | petemc: I use it all the time too, I did not know it did partial files ;) |
| 07:59.42 | lord_rob | troubled: apt-get update segfaults and it might be because of pkgcache.bin that could be corrupted |
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| 08:00.11 | smhar | troubled, no problem with that.. could also prove more helpful on general performance of the clients for browsing, let me check apache first. if id didn't work then squid us next, if it did work the squid is next after a couple of months ... or weeks depening on how I feel :-) |
| 08:00.19 | jonathan_ | what do you fools think of this?! http://jonathan-silverman.com/index.rhtml |
| 08:00.21 | troubled | lord_rob: just erase it and apt-get update again i guess |
| 08:00.31 | lord_rob | ok |
| 08:00.45 | troubled | lord_rob: actually, hold onto it |
| 08:00.55 | troubled | lord_rob: send it into a dev for inspection |
| 08:01.48 | Shadur | Also, is there a mode for packages to state that they can be upgraded but under no circumstances is apt allowed to automatically delete them? Hold works for the latter, but has the downside that it won't automatically upgrade either. |
| 08:01.50 | troubled | smhar: thats what I was thinking. squid is more than up to the task. just a bitch to configure initially |
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| 08:02.00 | lindenle | petemc: I do not actually think rsync does that normally i just tested it and if transfer is interrupted it deltes the partial file |
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| 08:02.40 | tjado | hi |
| 08:02.54 | troubled | Shadur: apt wont delete them unless you dist-upgrade |
| 08:03.06 | petemc | lindenle: did you check the --partial options? |
| 08:03.22 | vor | hi, any ideas/thoughts why fluxbox is slower then kde and gnome over my nx connection? |
| 08:04.44 | tjado | in our network there are a lot of users with different groups on the server, and each group has a groupdir, how can i mount the groupdir autmaticaly in the usersdir ? (mount -bind, but there are more than 100 users...) |
| 08:04.45 | lindenle | peemc: no but i asked about options ;) |
| 08:04.52 | troubled | lindenle: --append? |
| 08:05.03 | petemc | lindenle: i told you to read up on it - you can read, yes? |
| 08:05.21 | lindenle | petemc: nope thats is why I asked you ;) |
| 08:05.32 | lindenle | petemc: thanks i got it now |
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| 08:08.59 | wols | Shadur: what's the problem with installing all X drivers? you missing the MB or so it takes? |
| 08:09.31 | Shadur | wols: I generally try to avoid package clutter when I can. |
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| 08:10.06 | Shadur | wols: I'm more annoyed at the fact that it tried to delete nvidia-glx at the same time -- so essentially, it wanted to give me every video driver except the one I'm actually using. |
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| 08:21.26 | lord_rob | troubled: I fixed the problem, it's a known problem when you add to much apt sources |
| 08:21.52 | lord_rob | too much* |
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| 08:23.42 | troubled | ah |
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| 08:31.49 | RvGaTe | almost reaching my uptime milestone of 150 days :P i heart debian |
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| 08:32.48 | liable | sounds like you need to upgrade your kernel :P |
| 08:33.03 | RvGaTe | liable: nah... lol |
| 08:33.10 | dalias | 150 is nothing |
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| 08:33.19 | RvGaTe | dalias: for a home server it is... :P |
| 08:33.21 | dalias | i've had machines with uptime > 450 days |
| 08:33.38 | RvGaTe | dalias: i onl have it installed for 170 days |
| 08:33.41 | dalias | :) |
| 08:34.26 | dalias | when you know you've gone too far is when you can change distributions without rebooting :P |
| 08:35.17 | RvGaTe | dalias: well, i could go to ubuntu without rebooting... (puke puke) |
| 08:35.23 | dalias | :P |
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| 08:35.55 | RvGaTe | i did that once with my workstation |
| 08:36.07 | RvGaTe | god i wished i never done that.. :P |
| 08:36.58 | RvGaTe | !ubuntu->debian |
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| 08:37.09 | RvGaTe | :/ |
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| 08:38.07 | streuner | Anyone knows why numlock is enabled when starting X (sid)? |
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| 08:38.43 | johndoe | i managed to install the new kernel with make install |
| 08:38.56 | streuner | !congratulate johndoe |
| 08:38.57 | dpkg | Nice one johndoe, you did it! |
| 08:39.04 | johndoe | haha |
| 08:39.11 | psychonate | according to my xorg log file, the nvidia driver claims that it needs to load a module called "int10" in order to display the console correctly on the TV. Is that module even used anymore, anywhere? |
| 08:39.18 | streuner | but why do you need another kernel, other than official kernels? |
| 08:39.24 | johndoe | drivers |
| 08:39.49 | streuner | you can add third party driver always to official kernels as well |
| 08:39.54 | johndoe | how |
| 08:40.05 | johndoe | tut or something |
| 08:40.10 | streuner | you need headers and just compile that |
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| 08:40.52 | johndoe | and what if i wanna add cdrom driver support, which is in the new kernel but not the old one? |
| 08:40.56 | nopealicious | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.59 | nopealicious | what can i do? |
| 08:41.44 | streuner | johndoe: thats enabled by default, but what kernel do/did you use (cat /proc/version)? |
| 08:41.49 | johndoe | it took me some hours to understand how to compile the kernel |
| 08:42.05 | johndoe | not on debian right now |
| 08:42.19 | johndoe | but its 2.6.18-5 |
| 08:42.26 | johndoe | and 2.6.22.6 |
| 08:42.26 | streuner | it needs more than 1 hour to unterstand compiling kernels, there are more than 500 options... |
| 08:43.03 | psychonate | Allow me to rephrase: How can I get the console to display properly on my television when using the nvidia driver's twinview option with tv-out? |
| 08:43.07 | johndoe | the latter works almost fine, if it werent for nvidia drivers |
| 08:43.09 | nopealicious | reading through all the options doesn't make you understand how the kernel gets compiled :D |
| 08:43.28 | nopealicious | psychonate, probably not at all |
| 08:43.30 | johndoe | read what i wrote exactly |
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| 08:43.38 | nopealicious | psychonate, try some large fonts |
| 08:43.42 | psychonate | eh, there's gotta be a way |
| 08:43.48 | nopealicious | psychonate, eh, no |
| 08:44.25 | psychonate | the log complained about not being able to load some int10 driver, which sounds like it helps with console display on tv |
| 08:44.32 | psychonate | but I don't think xorg uses that driver anymore at all |
| 08:44.46 | nopealicious | what are you on about? |
| 08:44.57 | nopealicious | any ideas on this? -> libsdl-ttf2.0-dev: Depends: libfreetype6-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 08:45.15 | nopealicious | how can i still make it install and wth isn't that aptitudes job? |
| 08:45.17 | streuner | johndoe: which bit is that? greping for "cdrom" shows me the same result (2.6.18 and 2.6.22)? |
| 08:45.44 | johndoe | i guess it just wasnt compiled into the old kernel |
| 08:45.56 | johndoe | and the ethernet drivers |
| 08:46.01 | psychonate | nopealicious, 'apt-get install libfreetype6-dev' might hint at why it won't be installed |
| 08:46.08 | streuner | johndoe: which module? |
| 08:46.13 | nopealicious | psychonate, which does.. |
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| 08:46.28 | johndoe | ? |
| 08:46.39 | johndoe | i dont know nothing about moldules |
| 08:46.41 | nopealicious | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.47 | johndoe | what they are |
| 08:46.58 | psychonate | then try to specify the version |
| 08:47.01 | nopealicious | but if i try to install just that version it says it's not available |
| 08:47.06 | nopealicious | did that |
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| 08:47.10 | nopealicious | tells me, hold on.. |
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| 08:47.22 | nopealicious | E: Version '2.3.5.1' for 'libfreetype6-dev' was not found |
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| 08:47.37 | psychonate | what about the +b1? |
| 08:47.41 | nopealicious | same |
| 08:48.33 | lalali | hello. what is the difference between version 4.0r0 and 4.0r1 ? I say this because some download sites have r0 as debian-cd/*/current and some r1. These seem to be different even between official ftp.*debian.org sites for different countries. |
| 08:48.51 | psychonate | nopealicious, that version is still in testing |
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| 08:49.04 | psychonate | 2.3.5-1+b1 |
| 08:49.42 | psychonate | I guess you could try to install it anyway, but I don't know if that's wise or not |
| 08:49.43 | skandaleras | lalali: i guess the are security updates between these versions |
| 08:50.02 | nopealicious | ummmm |
| 08:50.04 | nopealicious | E: Version '2.3.5-1+b1' for 'libfreetype6-dev' was not found |
| 08:50.09 | psychonate | nope: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libfreetype6 |
| 08:50.15 | psychonate | "lenny" |
| 08:50.32 | nopealicious | why would an etch packed reference to a lenny package? |
| 08:50.35 | nopealicious | thats insane |
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| 08:50.43 | nopealicious | depend on* |
| 08:50.48 | psychonate | then wait until it becomes stable |
| 08:50.49 | psychonate | I dunno |
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| 08:51.06 | nopealicious | i think imma go bsd :} |
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| 08:51.22 | aardvarq | [01:51:53] <Cindy[hoRrRr]> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 08:51.24 | psychonate | badly suck dick? |
| 08:51.25 | aardvarq | onjoin |
| 08:51.31 | streuner | johndoe: there is no need to compile that, just use an official kernel and compile third party drivers |
| 08:51.35 | nopealicious | no, the "sane" stuff |
| 08:51.53 | psychonate | bite, sanely, dick? |
| 08:52.02 | capiira | is fsck after a few reboots really useful? checking every 33 reboot a 1tb drive sucks :D |
| 08:52.12 | nopealicious | pff, atleast port has a coherent package list ;) |
| 08:52.22 | streuner | johndoe: search for CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD |
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| 08:52.41 | dalias | capiira, i always disable check-after-N-mounts |
| 08:52.42 | lalali | skandaleras, ok thanks. However I think download sites should be all synchronized to the same real latest version, or else it's confusing to users, especially newbie users to Debian like me. Thanks again. |
| 08:52.50 | psychonate | I'm not arguing about the OS. I'm just guessing at the ambiguities in "imma go bsd" |
| 08:52.52 | dalias | and also check-after-N-days |
| 08:53.04 | dalias | but don't come complaining to us if something goes wrong :) |
| 08:53.10 | nopealicious | its not the first time i get this shit |
| 08:53.13 | skandaleras | lalali: but are u using an official repository?! |
| 08:53.14 | capiira | hehe |
| 08:53.18 | smhar | troubled, good news... apt-cacher IS working and it seems that the new version has the option of running as a apache module or a stand alone. I did the stand alone and it worked. |
| 08:53.28 | streuner | johndoe: and this is, of course, compiled by default in debian's official kernels :-) |
| 08:53.32 | capiira | imagine in few years when 10 tb becomes standard |
| 08:53.41 | nopealicious | had the same prob with some other packages and it's starting to be a pain |
| 08:53.51 | smhar | troubled, the only thing that I noticed is: it doesn't save the packages in pools lik the others... but who cares :-) |
| 08:54.05 | aardvarq | Hey, we should deal with Cindy[hoRrRr]. |
| 08:54.15 | aardvarq | and the annoying onjoins |
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| 08:54.27 | dalias | spambot? |
| 08:54.29 | aardvarq | yeah |
| 08:54.32 | johndoe | i was awk |
| 08:54.33 | dalias | :P |
| 08:54.33 | smhar | troubled, now is the time to test two computers downloading packages at the same time |
| 08:54.34 | almir | how do i isntall nvidia6150 gpu driver on etch r1 |
| 08:54.35 | aardvarq | [01:51:53] <Cindy[hoRrRr]> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 08:54.41 | johndoe | can you explain me the thing with modules? |
| 08:54.50 | lalali | skandaleras, I used ftp.es.debian.org, as I'm in Spain, which includes 4.0r0; but now I've seen that other sites such as german ftp.de.debian.org includes r1, and I already downloaded r0. :-( |
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| 08:55.12 | skandaleras | lalali: let me have a look ... |
| 08:55.16 | capiira | dalias i need to set the device in fstab to 0 0 right ? |
| 08:55.31 | dalias | capiira, no, you need to use tune2fs on the device |
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| 08:55.48 | dalias | rtfm about tune2fs |
| 08:55.50 | capiira | ahh ok |
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| 08:56.18 | dalias | hmmmm so far i'm liking this new font.. :) |
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| 08:56.55 | psychonate | what font is that? |
| 08:57.01 | dalias | one i'm working on |
| 08:57.26 | dalias | based on an old design i had lying around, but improved a lot |
| 08:57.27 | psychonate | I heard somewhere that Helvetica is the most-used font in the world |
| 08:57.32 | psychonate | even a documentary about it |
| 08:57.39 | dalias | this is a bitmap font for terminals |
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| 08:58.38 | dalias | i figured out a good way to make it 'halfway bold' by thickening the NW-SE diagonal strokes instead of horiz/vert ones |
| 08:58.43 | psychonate | dalias, when it becomes widely-used, I'll make a documentary about you |
| 08:58.50 | dalias | hehe thanks! |
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| 08:59.13 | psychonate | dalias, I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds cinema-worthy |
| 08:59.30 | ix | psychonate: it might be one of the most used sans-serif fonts, yeah. |
| 08:59.44 | psychonate | ix, what? helvetica? |
| 08:59.52 | ix | yup. |
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| 09:00.44 | psychonate | seems reasonable |
| 09:00.47 | smhar | when I run midnight commander in my local computer it works fines.. all the character and display is ok.. but when I ssh to my file server the display is all bad but if I login locally it is ok |
| 09:01.26 | psychonate | hmm women's world cup just isn't the same |
| 09:01.41 | troubled | smhar: export TERM=linux |
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| 09:02.47 | smhar | troubled, done but it is the same |
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| 09:05.50 | troubled | smhar: try perhaps a more basic term like tty100 or ansi or stuff from /usr/share/terminfo |
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| 09:06.42 | troubled | also try "reset" after you export the term |
| 09:06.46 | |bb7| | hi, we have tmpfs mounted on /dev/shm/ on our servers and it works except for one server on which every file es being created but with 0 bytes size. |
| 09:07.11 | |bb7| | please help;) |
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| 09:07.56 | johndoe | !modules |
| 09:07.56 | dpkg | methinks modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant |
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| 09:08.48 | troubled | |bb7|: even files you create manualy with data? |
| 09:09.44 | |bb7| | troubled: yes |
| 09:09.54 | troubled | |bb7|: after a forced remount? |
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| 09:09.59 | |bb7| | troubled: just created a file with nano with some text |
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| 09:10.30 | |bb7| | how can i do that? |
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| 09:10.38 | smhar | troubled, I tried tty100 ansi and linux. I will try the others as well.. but could the problem be somewhere else? |
| 09:11.07 | troubled | smhar: most likely. which program was acting up again? |
| 09:12.03 | troubled | smhar: ah nm, MC. could be a font issue perhaps. I dont use it often |
| 09:12.04 | smhar | troubled, midnight commander; mc |
| 09:12.50 | troubled | smhar: are you doing it via screen as well? |
| 09:13.17 | smhar | troubled, no just normal console. alt+F1 |
| 09:13.44 | troubled | smhar: no, i mean when you use ssh |
| 09:15.10 | smhar | troubled, just ssh from the console! |
| 09:15.32 | troubled | smhar: when you ssh in, what does this say: echo $TERM |
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| 09:15.45 | smhar | troubled, btw. I do not think the problem is with the server as I have a similar problem when I ssh to my webhost and run mc |
| 09:15.57 | Tarraq | Good morning people :) |
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| 09:16.30 | troubled | smhar: mc --help |
| 09:16.31 | smhar | echo $TERM linux |
| 09:16.42 | troubled | smhar: look for some formatting options |
| 09:17.04 | Tarraq | Anyone know how I can set the "From:" address when sending a mail from a bash-script? |
| 09:17.20 | troubled | Tarraq: via pipe? |
| 09:17.46 | Tarraq | Pseudocode: If exitcode = 0 then send mail |
| 09:17.46 | karmatronic | Tarraq: with the mail command ..... |
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| 09:18.40 | Tarraq | I have: mail -s "Backup is ok" my@address.com < /file/with/message |
| 09:20.39 | troubled | Tarraq: is that not working? |
| 09:20.57 | petemc | Tarraq: mailx -a "From: foo@bar" |
| 09:20.58 | Tarraq | but would like to change the FROM address, because it get's caught in my company spamfilter (but comes through ok to gmail |
| 09:21.06 | possie | can i also get an "Input/output error" when the filesystem is corrupted or does this type of message indicate a possible hardware malfunction of the drive(s) ? |
| 09:21.39 | troubled | Tarraq: than just use second@address.com instead? |
| 09:21.51 | Tarraq | petemc: mailx is alternative mail? |
| 09:22.02 | petemc | it should work with mail |
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| 09:22.15 | Tarraq | troubled: well would like the backup status to go to my corporate mailbox |
| 09:22.40 | troubled | Tarraq: use -c carboncopy@address.com? |
| 09:22.53 | troubled | Tarraq: mail --help |
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| 09:23.28 | Tarraq | it's not a question of getting it there. but to make it legit so my stupid corporate Lotus Notes doesn't eat it :) |
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| 09:24.18 | troubled | Tarraq: sounds like a lotus notes problem then if you can figure out what headers to add to make it legit |
| 09:24.25 | karmatronic | Tarraq: i made a pymail program a long time ago .. |
| 09:24.37 | Tarraq | Btw, it's on freeBSD (a server I took over *shudder*) |
| 09:24.53 | petemc | Tarraq: did you try my suggestion? |
| 09:25.23 | johndoe | does anyone have acer aspire 7520 or similar laptop with nvidia drivers problem? |
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| 09:25.34 | Tarraq | well basically what I need, it a shel-script to send me a mail with the backup status |
| 09:25.46 | warlocky | hey guys, do you guys know what php dir to include in a php script? where is php located? /usr/sbin/php didn't work |
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| 09:26.16 | Tarraq | petemc: says -a isn't recognized :/ |
| 09:26.27 | warlocky | im trying to create a crontab, and getting the error: ./stat.php: line 1: ?php: No such file or directory |
| 09:26.33 | petemc | Tarraq: it is in the mail from debian |
| 09:26.36 | troubled | Tarraq: install debian and it should work :) |
| 09:27.04 | Tarraq | troubled: Oh I will. but the client runs Zope. not that easy to move around. |
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| 09:27.07 | warlocky | anyone? |
| 09:27.20 | InsomniaCity | Hi! Does anyone know of an SIP client that does SIP over TCP? |
| 09:27.30 | Tarraq | petemc: freebsd, I'm afraid. But gathered you guys would know :) |
| 09:27.44 | troubled | warlocky: specify the full path or use $HOME in your command? |
| 09:27.45 | petemc | well, we know how to do it on debian |
| 09:28.11 | warlocky | troubled: well what is the full path? As it doesn't find the php dir |
| 09:28.16 | iguanna | hi friends, i have debian 3.3.5-13, it's a distri named gnu/linex, my problem is that my sourcelist per default is this:http//rafb.net/p/PcMiny58.html witout the last line. |
| 09:28.18 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.21 | warlocky | /usr/local/php or such didn't work eaither.. |
| 09:28.30 | Tarraq | warlocky: try "whereis php" |
| 09:29.06 | Tarraq | warlocky: /usr/bin/php most likely, if you have CLI PHP installed |
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| 09:29.10 | InsomniaCity | techbee: nope |
| 09:29.14 | iguanna | i add the last line because i want to install QT4 tool and without this last line my apt only finds QT3. |
| 09:29.15 | InsomniaCity | techbee: UDP only |
| 09:29.17 | warlocky | Tarraq: how do I install php CLI? |
| 09:29.19 | warlocky | apt-get install php-cli ? |
| 09:29.26 | troubled | warlocky: find / -type f -name stat.php |
| 09:29.48 | iguanna | my question is: is this way right to install QT4 in my system? |
| 09:29.52 | warlocky | yeah? and I get the output of the dir where stat.php is |
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| 09:30.05 | troubled | warlocky: and what is it? |
| 09:30.13 | warlocky | /home/erage/ |
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| 09:30.33 | warlocky | 15 * * * * root /var/lib/php5 /home/erage/stat.php |
| 09:30.35 | InsomniaCity | techbee: I've tried twinkle and linphone too |
| 09:30.35 | warlocky | This is my crontab entry |
| 09:30.45 | InsomniaCity | techbee: all seem to be limited to UDP |
| 09:30.56 | Tarraq | warlocky: apt-get install php5-cli |
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| 09:31.06 | warlocky | thanks, ill try now |
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| 09:31.34 | Tarraq | karmatronic: that pymail.. what is it? :) |
| 09:31.38 | warlocky | hmm, still doesn't seem to work Tarraq |
| 09:31.53 | Tarraq | warlocky: are your root? |
| 09:31.56 | warlocky | yeah |
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| 09:32.10 | Tarraq | warlocky: ran apt-get update? |
| 09:32.12 | warlocky | can you join #blabla-warlock, and I'll copypaste the errors to you |
| 09:32.13 | warlocky | yeah I did |
| 09:32.18 | warlocky | just did actually |
| 09:32.24 | iguanna | please, anybody can help me? |
| 09:32.29 | |bb7| | is there a memory check tool in debian? |
| 09:32.30 | Tarraq | warlocky: should work |
| 09:32.41 | karmatronic | Tarraq: well that was a command line mail |
| 09:32.47 | warlocky | mind joining? as I can't pm, im not registered |
| 09:32.57 | streuner | |bb7|: dmidecode or if you need to test memtest |
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| 09:33.18 | karmatronic | Tarraq: written in python so multi platforms (used to run it on windows) |
| 09:33.31 | |bb7| | thanks |
| 09:33.59 | karmatronic | Tarraq: cos mail unix command as far as i know only works locally |
| 09:34.08 | warlocky | Tarraq: care to join #blabla-warlock when you got a minute over? -- thanks. |
| 09:34.17 | Tarraq | karmatronic: nice. :) I never got around python. apart from now managing a zop server |
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| 09:34.36 | Tarraq | warlocky: Actually at work. shouldn't be chatting ;) |
| 09:34.38 | karmatronic | Tarraq: python is really esasy and powerful |
| 09:34.49 | streuner | |bb7|: and please change your nick, before we get eye-cancer ;-) |
| 09:34.51 | warlocky | ack Tarraq, I really need help -- this shouldnt take long :( |
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| 09:35.42 | karmatronic | warlocky: 15 * * * * root "/var/lib/php5 /home/erage/stat.php" |
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| 09:36.08 | jelly | karmatronic: why the quotes? |
| 09:36.47 | FalscherHase | help! i have upgraded the memory on my notebook from 0.5G to 2G. now the kernel refuses to boot with an immediate kernel panic (something with acpi, forgot to take a photo). some advice? |
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| 09:37.08 | Kerr | !netgearo |
| 09:37.11 | Kerr | er |
| 09:37.15 | Kerr | !netgear |
| 09:37.16 | dpkg | from memory, netgear is if you've got a Netgear WGR614vX or WGR624vX router, then you probably have a security hole. To fix it, turn off Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI) in the firewall settings. Further, connecting to irc.freenode.net on port 8001 instead of port 6667 will prevent disconnection as well: /server irc.freenode.net 8001 Details can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/hsmsh and here: http://tinyurl.com/faxo7, or <wg111v2> |
| 09:37.38 | jelly | FalscherHase: googling for the exact error message _might_ be helpful. |
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| 09:37.50 | maddash | i am so freakin' bored |
| 09:38.06 | Kerr | can someone trigger that last factoid for me? i can't type the number two as i have it bound to pgup on my phone |
| 09:38.30 | FalscherHase | jelly: i have a quite patched kernel (suspend2 and stuff). would it help to try a distribution kernel? |
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| 09:39.03 | jelly | FalscherHase: I have no idea, since "stuff" is rather hazy. You could try. |
| 09:39.12 | FalscherHase | jelly: ok :-) |
| 09:39.36 | FalscherHase | ah, i could try acpi=off first |
| 09:40.27 | s-andy | hi! I just upgraded compiz and tried to launch it... result is - no title bar, desktop switching by mouse do not work, no effects... my video card is Radeon X300, direct rendering works... |
| 09:40.48 | s-andy | driver - open source (radeon) |
| 09:41.34 | s-andy | composite extension, aiglx and XAANoOffscreenPixmaps are enabled in xorg.conf |
| 09:42.07 | s-andy | what else can I do? |
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| 09:45.18 | Tarraq | karmatronic: petemc troubled : Found the reason :) |
| 09:46.14 | Tarraq | the hostname was not internet qualifying. hence the sender email was root@bdsprod4 .. getting caught in the spamfilter |
| 09:46.48 | Tarraq | thanks for your help guys. I'm going back to work. And soon there's lunch :D |
| 09:47.15 | slept | how do i get rid of "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: " with aptitude ? It selects plenty of things I want to keep |
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| 09:47.33 | iguannago | how i can get my kernel version? |
| 09:47.48 | karmatronic | iguannago: uname -a |
| 09:48.01 | iguannago | Linux linex-inWpyZ 2.6.16-2-586 #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 27 13:46:00 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:48.10 | iguannago | this is uname -a |
| 09:48.24 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.04 | iguannago | 2.6.16-2-586 |
| 09:49.12 | liable | old |
| 09:49.28 | iguannago | 2.6.16-2-586 |
| 09:49.34 | iguannago | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.40 | johndoe | stop spamming |
| 09:49.42 | liable | stop it |
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| 09:50.55 | Ronin | once was enough iguannago |
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| 09:52.22 | iguannago | sorry mate, i had problems :( |
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| 09:52.33 | taneli | what is needed to get ipw2915abg to work in etch? |
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| 09:53.38 | iguannago | i wrote my problem above |
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| 09:54.58 | Ronin | last thing i can see iguannago is you asking how to get your kernel version, how far back? |
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| 09:55.58 | iguanna | iguanna is the same that iguannago :) : hi friends, i have debian 3.3.5-13, it's a distri named gnu/linex, my problem is that my sourcelist per default is this:http//rafb.net/p/PcMiny58.html witout the last line. |
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| 09:56.23 | maddash | booooooooooooooooring |
| 09:56.41 | iguanna | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.00 | iguanna | my question is: is this way right to install QT4 in my system? |
| 09:57.07 | iguanna | sorry maddash |
| 09:57.46 | Ronin | that url working for anyone or am i "special" this morning |
| 09:58.16 | Ronin | ahh there we go |
| 09:58.26 | maddash | er, wtf ? i'm redirected to wikipedia |
| 09:58.37 | maddash | no colon. stupid. |
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| 09:58.47 | Ronin | maddash: likewise, i had to edit it towork |
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| 09:59.46 | Ronin | is qt4 even in sarge? iguanna you know sarge is old stable? |
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| 10:00.03 | iguannago | my repository per default is sarge and i added a sarge-backports, can be it bad for my system? |
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| 10:01.37 | slapfaceware | what server run port 34 |
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| 10:03.00 | techbee | !tell iguannago about backports |
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| 10:03.42 | iguannago | techbee, what do you tell me, sorry? |
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| 10:04.49 | jmd | Can anyone suggest an elegant yet reliable way to set an environment variable whenever I login? (think before typing. The obvious answers don't work) |
| 10:05.01 | vin` | iguannago: read what dpkg told you, or /msg dpkg help |
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| 10:05.44 | mseiler | hi all! |
| 10:06.02 | vin` | jmd: add it to .bashrc? |
| 10:06.09 | iguannago | ok, thanks |
| 10:06.31 | jmd | vin`, No. That won't get executed if I login through xdm for example. |
| 10:06.58 | petemc | jmd: instead of telling people to think before answering, why dont you say how you are logging in |
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| 10:07.27 | jmd | petemc, Because I my crystal ball's not working. |
| 10:07.46 | AbacusMonkey | get it fixed ya bum! |
| 10:07.59 | petemc | jmd: you seem to be confused about who's asking the questions here - good luck getting an answer |
| 10:07.59 | mseiler | have a problem with buliding kernel, cause 'make menuconfig' and such stoped working. Makefiles seems to be missing, though I reinstalled the headers. any suggestions? |
| 10:08.00 | AbacusMonkey | :P |
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| 10:09.20 | AbacusMonkey | make clean help? |
| 10:09.27 | AbacusMonkey | let me reword that |
| 10:09.28 | AbacusMonkey | does |
| 10:09.30 | AbacusMonkey | make clean |
| 10:09.31 | AbacusMonkey | help? |
| 10:09.39 | mseiler | nope. |
| 10:09.47 | mseiler | doesn't work either. |
| 10:09.52 | mseiler | error is: scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 10:09.55 | pauljr | Hi, I am experiencing a strange issue running DiG on my new domain, linuxfolk.com where I am still recieving the old values where my collegues are recieving the new values |
| 10:10.01 | OuiD | vin`: in /etc/profile or ~./profile |
| 10:10.10 | mseiler | why got it lost- how can I get it back? |
| 10:10.14 | pauljr | *new nameserver/ip values etc |
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| 10:10.47 | mseiler | make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 10:10.52 | jmd | pauljr, That's not suprising. Caches expire, and not all at the same time. |
| 10:10.56 | AbacusMonkey | oh |
| 10:11.29 | OuiD | bashrc is executed in every subshell so not a good idea |
| 10:11.30 | AbacusMonkey | ur downloading just the linux headers, is there a package that contains more than that one? Like includes all the kernel sources, not just hte header? |
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| 10:12.19 | jmd | OuiD, Again, ./profile doesn't get executed when one logs in through xdm. |
| 10:13.24 | pauljr | yes I was reading up on TTL today, although the change was made 15 hours ago and I still recieve the dated results as displayed here: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=731 |
| 10:13.58 | holycow | hey guys |
| 10:14.10 | holycow | what is the best supported hardware sata raid card again? |
| 10:14.19 | holycow | i know there are a couple but one company opensourced all their drivers |
| 10:14.24 | holycow | not adaptec ... another one |
| 10:14.40 | mseiler | I don't think so. What am I looking for exactly (debian etch, 2.6.18-5-686)? |
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| 10:14.57 | OuiD | jmd: profile is shell specific not sessmanager specific. what shell r u using? strange.. |
| 10:14.58 | jmd | pauljr, and what's the SOA for linuxfolk.com ? |
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| 10:15.46 | mseiler | hold on, there is linux-source. I'll try. |
| 10:16.00 | jmd | QuiD, That's the problem. I may be using different shells at different times (or no shell at all). I don't want a solution that's specific to a certain shell, or a certain login mechanism. |
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| 10:16.28 | AbacusMonkey | yeah i think thats the one u want mate |
| 10:16.58 | mseiler | thanks, got lost somehow on the way... should be good now- thanks for the help!! |
| 10:17.10 | mseiler | \me says ciao, ciao |
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| 10:19.05 | holycow | aha i think its 3ware |
| 10:19.14 | AbacusMonkey | no worries mate :) |
| 10:19.18 | holycow | so does 3ware have a good reputation with th ekernel team? |
| 10:19.53 | pauljr | jmd, the problem is that my collegue dig'd the soa and so did I, and I am still recieving the old version and we can't figure out why |
| 10:20.29 | OuiD | jmd: no shell? never seen this. env variables are shell variables! maybe in rc.local then but not sure if xdm will inherit.. |
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| 10:20.33 | jmd | pauljr, Because your local nameserver's cache hasn't expired. |
| 10:21.01 | pauljr | thanks that would explain it |
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| 10:22.47 | jmd | OuiD, No. I tried rc.local --- no luck. The only way was to hack /etc/X11/Xsession, but that's hardly very elegent. |
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| 10:24.59 | jmd | especially since it would mean I'd have to do that AND put it in /etc/profile |
| 10:25.38 | OuiD | jmd: yes that's another solution, maybe the only one actually. that's how ssh-agent is started in kdm |
| 10:25.41 | OuiD | jmd: why also in profile? |
| 10:25.44 | yetifoot | hi, i'm getting a new computer today, if i just put my current hard disk in there, will it all still work ok? I'm guessing i will have to update my xorg.conf, but will most stuff get auto-detected that it's changed? |
| 10:26.48 | jmd | OuiD, I'd need one /etc/profile for when I log in though ssh or the console, and /etc/X11/Xsession when through an Xsession. |
| 10:27.16 | jmd | I find it curious that nobody has come across this problem before and addressed it. |
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| 10:27.54 | jmd | For example how do people set their LANGUAGE env var ? |
| 10:28.07 | OuiD | in profile |
| 10:28.25 | jmd | and when login in though an xsession ? |
| 10:28.57 | OuiD | well usually ppl use shells! |
| 10:29.26 | jmd | Then why is there a Gnome project and a KDE project ??!! |
| 10:30.05 | OuiD | good question |
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| 10:30.48 | sep | holycow, 3ware have had working drivers in the kernel since linux 2.2 ages, but i do not know their "reputation" tho and the new 9000 series got support in 2.6.10 or something around there |
| 10:31.02 | holycow | sep: aha cool |
| 10:31.04 | holycow | danke kindly |
| 10:31.34 | wols | yetifoot: what is the old PC and what the new? CPU for example |
| 10:31.45 | wols | but usually, it should work without a problem |
| 10:31.50 | sshd | hi, how can I recover my grub after installing Window$ ;( |
| 10:31.51 | sep | holycow, you migth also want the 3w-cli tool or the 3dm webtool |
| 10:32.04 | yetifoot | wols, the old is a P3 733, the new is a P4 1.6 |
| 10:32.05 | holycow | sep: *ooo* didn't know those existed |
| 10:32.10 | holycow | that was my next question actually |
| 10:32.11 | holycow | thank you |
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| 10:32.37 | wols | yetifoot: should work fine |
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| 10:32.49 | sep | holycow, and you can also read out your cards status from the proc entries i belive, but you need one of those tools to do changes while os is running. |
| 10:32.59 | yetifoot | wols, thanks, i will try |
| 10:33.25 | OuiD | jmd: xsession files are used when you connect via the session manager. profile is executed on login _shells_. thats it.. |
| 10:34.01 | sshd | wols, hi, how can I recover my grub after installing Window$ ;( |
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| 10:34.11 | AbacusMonkey | prob need a live cd |
| 10:34.18 | AbacusMonkey | knoppix would work |
| 10:34.22 | AbacusMonkey | orrrrr |
| 10:34.28 | sshd | then |
| 10:34.30 | holycow | sep: aha thats super sweet |
| 10:34.38 | AbacusMonkey | debian has a repair mode when u can reinstall boot loader |
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| 10:35.00 | jmd | Maybe I should submit a bug report. There should be a dot file that gets sourced on both. |
| 10:35.14 | |bb7| | hi, our server have mounted tmpfs to /dev/shm/. On one server files are being created in the ramdisk, but they have all 0 bytes size. Reboot, remount did not help, does anyone have an idea? |
| 10:35.22 | iguannago | only tell you, thanks, dpkg solves all my doubts, :) |
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| 10:36.56 | OuiD | jmd: Your app that you use as a shell should read profile files in anycase. it needs minimal functionnality.. |
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| 10:38.07 | jmd | OuiD, perhaps it should --- but it doesn't. The people who wrote /usr/bin/x-session-manager didn't design it that way. |
| 10:38.52 | dalias | ? |
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| 10:41.54 | sshd | AbacusMonkey, I can't find the repair mode, there is rescue mode. is that what you mentioned ? |
| 10:42.06 | liable | dpkg: talk like a pirate! |
| 10:42.15 | liable | stupid bot |
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| 10:42.31 | AbacusMonkey | sshd: yeah i think so. I haven't used it in a little while tho i'm sorry. |
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| 10:43.03 | Farhod | Hi I need some help with debian |
| 10:43.07 | Farhod | I have updated |
| 10:43.15 | Farhod | php5 to latest version |
| 10:43.22 | Farhod | and after update |
| 10:43.28 | Farhod | I have apache2 hang up |
| 10:43.31 | Farhod | after some time |
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| 10:43.42 | OuiD | jmd: xdm is rudimentary. kdm for example allows you to create run-part files in a special directory |
| 10:43.49 | Farhod | child pids do not response correctly |
| 10:44.09 | holycow | OuiD: does kdm allow you to play animations as part of the login process? |
| 10:44.29 | sshd | !grub |
| 10:44.29 | dpkg | grub is, like, the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 10:44.53 | jmd | I think gdm allows something similar too. I just wish there was a unified scheme ... |
| 10:44.58 | wols | !vpn |
| 10:44.59 | dpkg | well, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/ |
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| 10:45.58 | OuiD | jmd:and my system doesn't even call x-session-manager. it took me a while before understanding the differences and it's not very clean IMO |
| 10:46.16 | wols | I need a VPN between linux and windows, windows behind NAT. anyone know of a good howto? |
| 10:46.39 | petemc | wols: the openvpn how to is very good |
| 10:46.39 | jmd | I tend to agree. |
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| 10:47.11 | wols | and it's compatible with XP without further things needed? |
| 10:47.30 | petemc | theres are openvpn clients for windows |
| 10:47.43 | petemc | openvpn.se |
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| 10:47.54 | wols | ok, I can live with that as long as they're DFSG comptaible |
| 10:48.51 | Farhod | Does some one has problem with horde/imp and php5 latest from debian repository? |
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| 10:49.08 | karmatronic | wols: openvpn rules !!!!! |
| 10:49.48 | karmatronic | Farhod: yes ! you. |
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| 10:50.19 | Farhod | karmatronic, yea :D |
| 10:50.20 | wols | Farhod: check bugs.debian.org |
| 10:50.41 | OuiD | if a process do not die on logout, it will still run. so mpg123 can play music in xdm gdm kdm I guess. an animation is more tricky .. |
| 10:52.07 | OuiD | you need to attach to the root window. quite common for displaying pictures behind |
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| 10:55.34 | OuiD | holycow: jmd : man xscreensaver gives an example of running a screensaver behind xdm |
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| 10:58.46 | dalias | screensaver is a euphemism for "cpu/batt burner" |
| 10:59.32 | OuiD | dalias: yes not advised for a server or laptop.. |
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| 10:59.55 | dalias | it also increases your electric bill |
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| 11:00.22 | dalias | (both from the computer's energy draw, and from the fact that your monitor is still powered-on rather than in power-saving mode or turned off) |
| 11:01.11 | holycow | indeed |
| 11:01.22 | holycow | obviously any animation playback would need some basic controls |
| 11:01.53 | holycow | ideally you would maybe want to use animation for intro/outro types of effects when logging in or the login manager just starting up |
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| 11:03.38 | Guerin | actually |
| 11:03.39 | Guerin | ideally |
| 11:03.41 | Guerin | you wouldn' |
| 11:03.47 | Guerin | t use animation at all |
| 11:03.52 | dalias | i had a really useful idea for gui toolkits |
| 11:03.53 | holycow | lol |
| 11:03.57 | holycow | *rolls eyes* |
| 11:04.14 | dalias | only blink the caret for up to 1 minute or so, then stop the blinking |
| 11:04.32 | dalias | so if you leave an app idle with the focus in an edit window, it doesn't keep waking up the cpu for no reason |
| 11:04.49 | dalias | start blinking again upon receiving any input events |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gdm/custom.conf' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.06 | holycow | i would say that i agree that adding animatoin support would be an extra layer via which exploits can happen |
| 11:06.21 | holycow | and i would also agree that perhaps its something that really shouldn't be done |
| 11:06.29 | holycow | but would be heck of a fun thing to try |
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| 11:07.55 | dvs01 | i want to use openvpn to create a layer 2 bridge, so that the client machine ends up using one of the server's public ips |
| 11:08.08 | dvs01 | wtf |
| 11:08.16 | dvs01 | bad clipboard =/ |
| 11:08.19 | dvs01 | i'm not sure exactly how i'm supposed to set this up.. however, i want to use openvpn to bridge my home machine into my colo's network (consisting of 1 machine and 14 available public ips). i want my home machine to be able to bind to one of those available public ips, via the openvpn bridge. how would i accomplish this? |
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| 11:09.20 | awk | how safe is a 3.1 to 4 upgrade remotly? |
| 11:09.25 | yetifoot | does anyone have the binary nvidia drivers working in lenny? I tried to compile it myself using the nvidia package, and also switched back to the 2.6.18 kernel to try the ones in non-free, but still had no luck |
| 11:09.52 | streuner | awk: safer if you read release notes :-) |
| 11:10.04 | streuner | awk: read /msg dpkg release notes |
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| 11:10.55 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:10.58 | streuner | awk: depends what you have installed, some stuff changed, so you need prolly configure stuff again, i.e. postfix... |
| 11:11.38 | DexterF | I made a kernel package here and it's a whopping 200MB in size. I'd lie to peek in and see what makes it so big. how would I do that? dpkg -c won't sort or show size in MB |
| 11:12.23 | awk | streuner reading, it.. kust worried about the kernel on boot |
| 11:12.29 | liable | jernel kernel kernel |
| 11:12.43 | liable | yes, you should be worried :) |
| 11:12.51 | liable | not much you can do about it though |
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| 11:13.17 | liable | anyone tried radeonHD ?? |
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| 11:15.33 | liable | ooh, seems gravity has packaged it already :) |
| 11:16.13 | karmatronic | yetifoot: works fine |
| 11:16.48 | yetifoot | karmatronic, did you have to do anything special, or are you just using the standard lenny kernel, and nvidia drivers? |
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| 11:19.45 | yetifoot | karmatronic, could it be because i never ran m-a ? on etch i never had to do that, i just aptitude'd the packages and it worked |
| 11:20.22 | DexterF | what would cause make-kpkg to create modules up to 10MB in size? |
| 11:20.22 | OuiD | DexterF: well sort it? dpkg -c xx | sort -n -k 3 |
| 11:22.04 | troubled | DexterF: strip debuging info |
| 11:22.06 | abrotman | you made lots of modules ? |
| 11:22.32 | abrotman | health food sucks |
| 11:22.49 | liable | obesity sucks more :) |
| 11:22.51 | troubled | abrotman: enjoying your salad are we? |
| 11:23.52 | abrotman | troubled: kashii bar |
| 11:24.04 | abrotman | liable: wouldn't know .. |
| 11:24.06 | troubled | abrotman: i have no idea what that is |
| 11:24.17 | abrotman | troubled: kind of like a granola bar i guess |
| 11:24.25 | troubled | hmm |
| 11:24.46 | abrotman | troubled: aren't you in the states ? |
| 11:24.52 | DexterF | troubled: aw jeez, forgot to disable debugging info. d'oh. |
| 11:24.58 | troubled | abrotman: canada |
| 11:25.16 | abrotman | http://www.kashi.com/ |
| 11:25.21 | abrotman | i think they hav ethem there too |
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| 11:26.40 | troubled | doesnt look familiar |
| 11:27.30 | pumpkin0 | i'm trying to modify a initrd. It does not work at all. if i gunzip , cpio -i, cpio -o, gzip the stock initrd-file => kernel does not boot. Any ideas what kind of options i have to pass into cpio/gzip to create a valid initrd ? |
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| 11:28.16 | troubled | pumpkin0: just a suggestion, but have you looked into mkinitramfs? |
| 11:28.52 | pumpkin0 | troubled: it replaces the scripti modified with the stock version. So that's a no-go. |
| 11:29.25 | karmatronic | yetifoot , i admit i m not using the debian s way (m-a) cos i want last version of the driver .... |
| 11:29.29 | troubled | pumpkin0: sure, but it also has hooks to always add something custom each involkation |
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| 11:30.17 | pumpkin0 | troubled: yes, but you cannot replace the root-mounting with a custom script. You can just switch from local to nfs... |
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| 11:30.30 | troubled | pumpkin0: are you sure? |
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| 11:30.55 | troubled | encrypted root fs has similar issue, and I know for fact you can replace/alter the way that works |
| 11:31.14 | row_ | If I have a private key file for ssl which has a encrypted how can I update it so its not encrypted, I know the passphrase |
| 11:31.17 | pumpkin0 | troubled: i trying this for 4 days now. i have read most of the kernel-code related to loading the initrd.... |
| 11:31.32 | row_ | +been |
| 11:31.58 | troubled | pumpkin0: well, enjoy I guess. just thought I would make the suggestion. I feel no need to spend hours going over this :) gl |
| 11:32.15 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 11:32.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg ... |
| 11:32.21 | abrotman | wait .. there's something else |
| 11:32.47 | abrotman | !initramfs |
| 11:32.47 | dpkg | hmm... initramfs is the new initrd. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etchs' release) |
| 11:32.50 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 11:32.59 | abrotman | i've seen something else .. can't remember what ti is |
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| 11:33.35 | i5513 | hi, I'm having a trouble with dmsetup command ... |
| 11:33.42 | i5513 | dmsetup remove /dev/mapper/XXXX says me /dev/mapper/XXXX is busy |
| 11:33.50 | i5513 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.57 | i5513 | I googled for it, but I can't find info about it |
| 11:34.03 | i5513 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.05 | OuiD | i5513: lsof |
| 11:34.06 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: so far it loades the modified/recompressed initrd-file (uncompress, detected ...) and then panics on cannot find root file system. |
| 11:34.13 | i5513 | could you help me ? thanks in advance |
| 11:34.18 | abrotman | pumpkin0: then you did it wrong :) |
| 11:34.32 | i5513 | lsof dosn't find me any file |
| 11:34.39 | i5513 | at the device |
| 11:34.58 | i5513 | lsof -DF | grep 0xmajornumber |
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| 11:35.19 | troubled | i5513: lvm |
| 11:35.20 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: yes, i know. But it is scary. running a script that executes 100% the same commands works. Is there a debugger for shell-scripts so i can follow each variable ? |
| 11:36.14 | abrotman | set -x |
| 11:36.25 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 11:38.02 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: sounds good, will try that. |
| 11:38.13 | abrotman | pumpkin0: man bash .. should explain that |
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| 11:38.35 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: man bash is a nightmare in 10KB... |
| 11:38.42 | i5513 | i filtered it on /etc/lvm/lvm.conf |
| 11:38.44 | abrotman | pumpkin0: it's not my fault! |
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| 11:39.02 | wols | !blame abrotman |
| 11:39.06 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: i know. i just hate these ultry-large man files. |
| 11:39.31 | wols | I hate the GNU manpages more "for more information look at the info files" |
| 11:39.34 | abrotman | maybe that's not the right option |
| 11:39.34 | i5513 | and I can't access to the lvm partitions it has /dev/Group/Volume is not in the path |
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| 11:40.45 | vlt | Hello. I'm looking for a cmd line tool to convert a file with \n EOLs to \r\n EOLs. I tried sed but didn't get it to grep \n.) |
| 11:41.53 | xand | vlt: unix2dos |
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| 11:42.11 | xand | vlt: package tofrodos |
| 11:42.15 | abrotman | pumpkin0: you probably want to look at the optoins .. -v and -x could be useful i suppose |
| 11:42.24 | vlt | xand: thank you. |
| 11:42.49 | abrotman | well .. i guess -x would supercede -v .. oh well |
| 11:43.01 | vaithi | how to add cron job in debian |
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| 11:43.16 | abrotman | for the sytem or a user ? |
| 11:43.36 | i5513 | vaiti /etc/cron.{d,daily,hourly,weekle} |
| 11:43.44 | i5513 | or crontab -e |
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| 11:44.02 | vaithi | thanks |
| 11:44.05 | vlt | xand: Can't find "tofrodos" here (on Sarge). |
| 11:44.15 | abrotman | !find dos2unix oldstable |
| 11:44.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dos2unix' (3): (/usr/bin/dos2unix) in utils/sysutils ;; (/usr/share/doc/prcs/examples/dos2unixdiff3) in devel/prcs ;; (/usr/share/doc/kforth/examples/dos2unix.4th, /usr/share/doc/kforth/doc/examples/dos2unix.4th) in interpreters/kforth. |
| 11:44.30 | abrotman | vlt: in 'sysutils' |
| 11:44.36 | vlt | abrotman: thx |
| 11:44.48 | pumpkin0 | thanks everybody and wish me luck |
| 11:45.12 | OuiD | vlt: sed s,$,\r, doesnt work? |
| 11:45.41 | xand | vlt: apt-cache search dos2unix |
| 11:45.50 | Dewi | hmm. |
| 11:45.58 | i5513 | better apt-file search dos2unix |
| 11:46.10 | abrotman | i already gave him the answer! |
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| 11:46.32 | stew | abrotman: nobody listens to you, though |
| 11:46.33 | i5513 | hmm, sorry |
| 11:46.53 | Dewi | abrotman: We've all got you on ignore. Haven't you noticed yet? |
| 11:46.53 | troubled | flip pwntz dos2unix :p |
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| 11:47.13 | Dewi | yeah I was going to mention flip, from memory it might deal with mixed line endings better |
| 11:47.36 | Dewi | but I didn't say anything in case I got stabbed by a sed extremist |
| 11:47.46 | troubled | flip -m or flip -d, cant go wrong with the simplicity |
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| 11:48.46 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 11:48.58 | troubled | heh |
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| 11:50.47 | vlt | xand: apt didn't find it that way. |
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| 11:51.22 | vlt | OuiD: I tried `sed 's/\n/\r\n/g'` |
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| 11:51.42 | Bluechip | !splash.rle |
| 11:52.25 | Bluechip | Anyone ever managed to edit splash.rle from a debian install disk? |
| 11:53.55 | lexoplex | MAKEDEV audio says: udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ -- what's that mean? |
| 11:54.11 | vaithi | i start cron iam getting this error cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 3438: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 11:54.44 | lexoplex | How do I get my audio devices back for good? |
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| 11:55.03 | nico__ | hi |
| 11:55.39 | bigmatt | hey guys umm is it a smart idea to not do apt-get install xorg and choose only the stuff i need? |
| 11:55.43 | lexoplex | Also, dpkg tells me that makedev is fixed now... Should I upgrade it? How? |
| 11:55.49 | stew | lexoplex: with udev you shouldn't need to use MAKDEDEV, udev will created the devices for you once the hardware actually shows up. if you are missing audio devices in /dev, then you haven't yet loaded drivers for that particular device |
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| 11:56.00 | nico__ | can you add a package from testing on a stable system somehow? or it is a bad practice? i'm using stable but the package i need is only in testing and unstable :-/ |
| 11:56.08 | stew | lexoplex: which /dev entry are you looking for? |
| 11:56.24 | stew | nico__: its a bad practice, use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:56.35 | lexoplex | stew: Thanks. /dev/dsp and maybe others. |
| 11:56.55 | lexoplex | stew: tkmixer won't start, and I can't hear any sound. |
| 11:56.57 | b_jonas | apt-get source says `E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list' |
| 11:57.13 | b_jonas | how do I find out what kind of uris to use? |
| 11:57.40 | lexoplex | I remember someone giving me a modprobe command here, but I forgot which one, and its effect didn't stay. |
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| 11:58.19 | stew | lexoplex: have you run alsaconf? |
| 11:58.50 | stew | lexoplex: for /dev/dsp you want to "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" but don't bother with that until you have had alsaconf detect your device |
| 11:58.55 | nico__ | stew, i guess these packages are not updated by the security updates? |
| 11:59.02 | techbee | !tell b_jonas about sources.list |
| 11:59.07 | lexoplex | stew: No. I don't seem to have alsaconf... |
| 11:59.10 | stew | nico__: correct |
| 11:59.21 | stew | lexoplex: "aptitude install alsa-utils && alsaconf" |
| 12:00.24 | nico__ | stew, so should i want to keep the system "secure", wouldn't it be better that i upgrade the whole system to testing? that way the package would be updated. although i've read somewhere that the security updates are not quite as good for testing than for stable :-/ |
| 12:00.34 | vaithi | techbee : how to stop another cron process |
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| 12:00.47 | techbee | vaithi: man kill |
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| 12:02.41 | Bluechip | have you tried a trivial wget to isolate the point of contention? |
| 12:02.58 | stew | nico__: yes, testing is probably the worst choice if security is your focus, plus, packages often get removed from testing. in either case, you are going to have to subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org and keep your eye on updates to that package, or subscribe to the package at: http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename so that you get email if there is an update available |
| 12:03.24 | stew | luk3: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 12:03.50 | nico__ | thanks |
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| 12:04.02 | {{Booh}} | Hi |
| 12:04.03 | b_jonas | techbee: thanks, that helped |
| 12:04.25 | OuiD | vlt: try the one i gave you. |
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| 12:05.03 | lexoplex | stew: Should I just answer Yes to alsaconf's questions? |
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| 12:05.34 | nico__ | stew, but are "security problems" about backports reported by those lists? |
| 12:05.35 | {{Booh}} | I used clonezilla to clone a scsi disque to ide disque. Now, I want to boot on the ide disque but of course at pivot_root I have a kernel panic. I modified grub and fstab but I need help to chroot and do the mkinitrd stuff.. somebody can help me? |
| 12:05.46 | sneharajr | how to monitor mounted linux partition |
| 12:06.04 | nico__ | stew, or only "regular" (not backports) packages? |
| 12:07.41 | OuiD | sneharajr: ehmm.. mount? |
| 12:07.59 | stew | nico__: not specifcally, but since backports are just testing/unstable packages recompiled for stable, and the security advisories will mention testing/unstable, they sort of do |
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| 12:08.14 | stew | lexoplex: depends on the question, you likely don't want to probe for legacy/isa devices |
| 12:08.37 | abrotman | not that it would hurt |
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| 12:08.45 | lexoplex | stew: No, it's about modifying /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
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| 12:09.02 | lexoplex | (if I want to do it) |
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| 12:09.41 | sneharajr | OuiD: using mount command ? |
| 12:10.26 | defrysk | sneharajr, yes , or df -h perhaps ? |
| 12:10.59 | stew | lexoplex: you do |
| 12:11.52 | Snapser | If i mount something as synchronous, what does that mean? |
| 12:12.01 | Snapser | *ponders* |
| 12:12.34 | abrotman | Snapser: man mount .. explains it no ? |
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| 12:13.08 | lexoplex | stew: Finished. But no /dev/dsp yet. |
| 12:13.16 | jatt | Snapser: it blocks until finishes writing... |
| 12:13.16 | nico__ | stew, ok thanks |
| 12:13.19 | OuiD | sneharajr: /usr/bin/watch df -h <- the poor man's monitoring |
| 12:13.23 | abrotman | lexoplex: snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:13.39 | Snapser | jatt: is that good? |
| 12:13.47 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 12:13.55 | abrotman | i thought it meant the OS didn't buffer the writes |
| 12:13.55 | Snapser | is it like Write Caching or something? |
| 12:14.08 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 12:14.55 | lexoplex | abrotman: Ah yes, thanks. Now, will this survive a reboot? |
| 12:15.14 | abrotman | lexoplex: it will if you put that module name in /etc/modules |
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| 12:16.05 | lexoplex | abrotman: OK. |
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| 12:17.19 | jatt | Snapser: afaik it has to do with how the updates are written to disk in a journaling system. I don't know if it is good or bad to enable it... probable under some setups may be useful |
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| 12:17.32 | abrotman | it depends on the device |
| 12:17.36 | abrotman | and your goals |
| 12:18.08 | Snapser | well... I don't want write caching to be enabled |
| 12:18.24 | lexoplex | stew, abrotman: Cheers. |
| 12:18.30 | abrotman | Snapser: it results in a lot of disk activity |
| 12:18.41 | jatt | Snapser: I would not use the option until I have performance problems I guess. Per default it doesn' |
| 12:18.41 | abrotman | Snapser: and i mean a lot |
| 12:18.46 | jatt | t seem to be enabled |
| 12:19.49 | abrotman | Snapser: what kind of system is this .. and what are you trying to achieve/avoid ? |
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| 12:19.54 | Snapser | n/m, It is better as default: off |
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| 12:20.26 | abrotman | Snapser: usually .. yes |
| 12:20.28 | Snapser | thanks for the help ;) |
| 12:21.01 | abrotman | Snapser: the default is async .. just so you know |
| 12:22.08 | abrotman | jatt: and it's not just journaled FSes |
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| 12:32.15 | enyc | I would like to have a debootstrap on Etch4.0 amd64 system, that is capable of installing ubuntu-Dapper6.06 chroot, (installing a backwards-compatbile-LTS-environment we need) but Etch debootstrap only has upto ubuntu-Hoary5.04.... |
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| 12:32.39 | enyc | 'erm actually it has upto ubuntu-Breezy5.10 |
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| 12:33.16 | enyc | am I better to: a) try to copy/mod breezy script to dapper, b) try to install lenny debootstrap, c) try to install an ubuntu debootstrap of some version ? |
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| 12:34.40 | \amethyst | enyc: I'd say to get debootstrap from lenny or sid |
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| 12:34.43 | nico__ | re |
| 12:35.02 | enyc | \amethyst: ok may try that next... thankyou ;-) |
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| 12:36.35 | zicho | I have recently installed debian unstable. I successfully booted it and used it without any problems, but when i reboot i cant start X. It just say "Caught signal 4... exiting" and then "xinit: Connection to server lost". |
| 12:36.44 | abrotman | enyc: thought to ask #ubuntu ? |
| 12:36.59 | nico__ | a question about printing now :o) : |
| 12:37.17 | nico__ | there seem to be 2 models that match my printer in the printer settings: one whose name is just the model of my printer, and the other one whose name is the model followed by " - CUPS+Gutenprint"... what's the difference? does that mean the the 1st one doesn't use CUPS? |
| 12:38.28 | enyc | abrotman: just did |
| 12:38.33 | enyc | abrotman: thankyou ;-) |
| 12:39.01 | zicho | can anyone help me to fix this problem? |
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| 12:41.00 | nico__ | i understand that CUPS is only for print servers isn't it? |
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| 12:42.09 | Burn | hello, are there any zend 3.0 binaries available? |
| 12:42.48 | zicho | check their website, perhaps? |
| 12:42.59 | Burn | zicho: nope, nothing there |
| 12:43.17 | Burn | but if I'm installing the module, will it work with debian php5 binaries? |
| 12:43.29 | zicho | why dont you compile it for yourself? |
| 12:43.50 | Burn | zicho: Zend, that's no problem, but php5, I prefer not |
| 12:43.54 | Burn | I want a super stable system |
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| 12:44.24 | zicho | why would it get less stable if you compiled it? |
| 12:44.42 | Burn | not tested as much as the binaries for example |
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| 12:44.57 | zicho | well compile a stable build? |
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| 12:45.18 | filemover | hi im trying to enable the nv driver and everytime I choose it and apply in hardware configuration it changes back to vessa can anyone help |
| 12:45.50 | zicho | filemover; what do you mean hardware configuration? you mean xorg? |
| 12:45.57 | filemover | kde |
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| 12:46.02 | filemover | system settings |
| 12:46.13 | zicho | what GPU do you have? |
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| 12:46.25 | filemover | GPU? |
| 12:46.31 | zicho | Graphics Card |
| 12:46.37 | yetifoot | hi, i just moved my hard drive containing etch onto a new machine, everything seems ok except the network, what is the command to redetect/configure the network? |
| 12:46.42 | filemover | nvidia fx |
| 12:46.47 | filemover | series |
| 12:47.01 | zicho | yetifoot; "ifup eth0" |
| 12:47.23 | zicho | filemover: well i have no experience with kde, so i dont know. |
| 12:47.26 | yetifoot | zicho, i'll try that thank |
| 12:47.28 | filemover | ok |
| 12:47.31 | filemover | thnx |
| 12:47.41 | zicho | did you apply the settings and such? |
| 12:47.45 | zicho | make sure that they are saved. |
| 12:47.46 | filemover | yes |
| 12:47.54 | zicho | hm, weird. |
| 12:47.54 | filemover | yeah that was my point |
| 12:48.12 | filemover | it might be the nv driver isnt installed |
| 12:48.22 | filemover | but it shows up in the config |
| 12:48.27 | filemover | im not sure though |
| 12:48.27 | zicho | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
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| 12:48.39 | filemover | thnx |
| 12:48.44 | filemover | ill give it a go |
| 12:48.54 | filemover | its on my other machine ill go try it out |
| 12:48.59 | zicho | you should at least find out if its installed or not by doing that |
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| 12:49.24 | filemover | or maybe aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 12:49.47 | filemover | anyway ill give it a go zicho |
| 12:49.49 | zicho | well, it works both ways. My command will install it if it isnt installed already. |
| 12:49.55 | filemover | yeah |
| 12:50.04 | filemover | ok ill go and try it out |
| 12:50.07 | zicho | kay |
| 12:50.26 | filemover | ill come back and tell u what happened |
| 12:50.28 | filemover | lol |
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| 13:01.20 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:01.20 | dpkg | <alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha |
| 13:01.52 | RichiH | well, you _could_ look at the most recent post and then.. |
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| 13:02.19 | abrotman | RichiH: and if the most recent post hadn't been in two months ? |
| 13:02.47 | abrotman | i suppose that's one of the signs of the apocolypse |
| 13:02.47 | RichiH | abrotman: then you have a wrong date and, possibly, time |
| 13:03.07 | th0ger_ifa | just ask it nicely... |
| 13:03.36 | abrotman | it being ? |
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| 13:10.46 | onur | Hi. How can i change my UTC clock config in debian? I select wrong settings in installer. And now i dont know hot can i change this value. I read some articles. These says change UTF value in /etc/sysconfig/clock. This file doesn't exist in debian. Do you have any idea? |
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| 13:11.34 | peterS | onur: /etc/default/rcS |
| 13:12.00 | filemover | ok back |
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| 13:12.24 | filemover | zicho i tried it out and its already on there |
| 13:12.25 | onur | peterS: thank you |
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| 13:17.18 | wo0f | hi guys |
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| 13:17.36 | filemover | im trying to enable the nv driver in the system settings and it keeps on going back to vessa even after i apply the settings can anyone help |
| 13:17.38 | wo0f | im just wondering, is there a restricted drivers menu on debian? |
| 13:17.55 | wo0f | (like there is on ubuntu :x) |
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| 13:18.54 | liable | wo0f: non-free |
| 13:19.04 | wo0f | liable: yeh |
| 13:19.15 | liable | thats the repo... |
| 13:19.42 | wo0f | liable: what theres a section in the repo for non-free drivers ? |
| 13:19.50 | wo0f | liable: are you sure? |
| 13:19.58 | Deleutres | hi, |
| 13:20.01 | Deleutres | is there any way for Etch users to install a backport of Iceape 1.4.x? It's in Sid, but as with Icedove/Thunderbird, Backports.org prefer to track Lenny. |
| 13:20.17 | liable | wo0f: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 13:20.19 | filemover | ad non free to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:20.56 | liable | Deleutres: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 13:23.16 | paico | hi |
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| 13:24.12 | wo0f | liable: hmmm, is vrms what the unbuntu restricted drivers is based on? |
| 13:24.30 | wo0f | liable: because vrms doesnt show any ati drivers etc |
| 13:24.45 | liable | wo0f: vrms? |
| 13:25.21 | wo0f | liable: /msg dpkg vrms |
| 13:26.15 | liable | i have no idea what vrms is based on. but kudos for making me /msg the bot ;) |
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| 13:26.49 | liable | i am not sure i understand wth you are talking about |
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| 13:28.40 | nocturn | Hi guys |
| 13:28.50 | nocturn | Can I run Debian on PA-RISC? |
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| 13:28.59 | nocturn | If so, what arch do I need to get? |
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| 13:29.45 | wo0f | hi guys, whats the deal on debian with ati drivers etc |
| 13:30.06 | liable | i told you, they are in non-free |
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| 13:30.13 | liable | for fglrx |
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| 13:31.26 | hark | wo0f: vrms reports installed packages only |
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| 13:31.42 | grirgz | hi |
| 13:31.43 | hark | nocturn: http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ |
| 13:32.20 | nocturn | Thanks hark |
| 13:32.31 | nocturn | Does the netinst image have ssh and dd on it? |
| 13:32.48 | nocturn | I need to make an image of a dying HD with HP-UX on it |
| 13:33.14 | hark | ssh no, dd yes |
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| 13:33.23 | karmatronic | nocturn: well you specify during the install you need |
| 13:33.24 | hark | AFAIK |
| 13:33.44 | grirgz | i am looking for a way to deactivate the magic key ctrl-alt-backspace (not ctrl-alt-del) when i am in a tty (not in X), it make me reboot, and i dont want that. does someone know where i can configure it please ? |
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| 13:33.59 | liable | you can actually use ssh during install |
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| 13:34.19 | liable | dunno if its just in expert mode, but i saw it the other day |
| 13:35.01 | Guerin | gxkahla: it should do nothing while on a TTY. What branch of debian are you running? |
| 13:35.01 | \amethyst | grirgz: man xorg.conf, look for DontZap |
| 13:35.10 | nocturn | karmatronic: Im not going to install |
| 13:35.20 | nocturn | karmatronic: Just try to get the data off. |
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| 13:35.43 | Guerin | nocturn: use a livecd |
| 13:35.51 | nocturn | Guerin: where can I get those? |
| 13:35.56 | gxkahla | Guerin: you might have me confused w/ someone else... |
| 13:36.07 | Guerin | nocturn: i recommend damnsmallinux.org |
| 13:36.17 | nocturn | Guerin: Do they have a PA-Risc version? |
| 13:36.21 | Guerin | gxkahla: yeah, I can't type worth a damn |
| 13:36.25 | grirgz | \amethyst: i am speaking of tty, not X |
| 13:36.35 | Guerin | nocturn: seems doubtful. |
| 13:36.36 | gxkahla | hehe - s'okay! me neither... |
| 13:36.56 | Guerin | nocturn: i don't think the netinstall had ssh on it, but I could be wrong. |
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| 13:37.51 | nocturn | What does this one do: debian-40r1-hppa-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 13:37.55 | hark | there's ssh server for use in debian-installer |
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| 13:38.07 | Guerin | nocturn: that's an installer |
| 13:38.09 | nocturn | hark: I just need a client actually |
| 13:38.25 | nocturn | So I can pipe dd through ssh to another system |
| 13:38.28 | Guerin | ssh would be a coolish thing to put into busybox |
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| 13:38.48 | kspath | Are there still two netinstalls? one small/tight minimal and the other with just a few things? |
| 13:39.15 | kspath | Guerin: would that double/triple the size? |
| 13:39.15 | hark | business card and netinst |
| 13:40.00 | Guerin | kspath: yes. |
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| 13:40.14 | Guerin | owdondek: turn off your fucking stupid script, bitte |
| 13:40.22 | Guerin | grrrf |
| 13:40.28 | Guerin | odine: turn off your fucking stupid script, bitte |
| 13:40.33 | Ronin | !tell odine about away |
| 13:40.47 | Bluechip | errrr, he's not here to read it guys |
| 13:41.00 | kspath | Bluechip: hehehe but maybe logging |
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| 13:41.13 | Bluechip | lol |
| 13:41.15 | Ronin | Bluechip: he will get the message from Bluechip and he may be logging and his nick no doubt get highlighted etdc. |
| 13:41.18 | Guerin | Bluechip: ironical, innit. But if it makes a *bling* noise he might get woken up, that would be a plus |
| 13:41.24 | Guerin | interrupted during sex, perhaps |
| 13:41.27 | Ronin | msg from bluechip? heh i mean dpkg |
| 13:41.29 | Bluechip | LOL |
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| 13:47.35 | nocturn | !tell nocturn about away |
| 13:48.12 | liable | !tell nocturn about selftell |
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| 13:48.48 | nocturn | Sorry liable |
| 13:48.56 | nocturn | didn't know that |
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| 13:49.20 | Bluechip | !tell Bluechip about selftell |
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| 13:49.30 | liable | how ironic |
| 13:49.41 | nocturn | LOL |
| 13:50.25 | Bluechip | well, you got me all curious - LOL |
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| 13:52.37 | sixtysixbilly | hi, didn't know where to go with this. i have a bios image for an old hp brio machine, but i have no idea how to flsah the existing bios. anyone know of any way of doing this? |
| 13:53.23 | Bluechip | you can try awdflash, if not pop the chip off the board and program it externally :) |
| 13:53.29 | Bluechip | I trust google was of no help |
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| 13:53.51 | logyati | hello |
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| 13:53.59 | logyati | good morning/evening/night |
| 13:54.00 | logyati | hehehe |
| 13:54.30 | sixtysixbilly | well, i came across linuxbios, but it was way over my head. |
| 13:54.31 | logyati | im trying to put the progress bar of my bootsplash to work |
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| 13:54.50 | logyati | i've tried some tutorials, no success |
| 13:55.00 | logyati | could u help me guys? |
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| 13:55.15 | sixtysixbilly | i didn't try awdflash, didn't come across it |
| 13:55.34 | Bluechip | problem is, you need a bootable machine to run code |
| 13:55.45 | Nuxis | I tried gentoo :( nothing for me I will stay to debian :) |
| 13:55.46 | Bluechip | if you've killed it with linuxbios, you're out of option |
| 13:55.48 | nocturn | See you later, thanks for the tips |
| 13:55.48 | Bluechip | s |
| 13:57.05 | blizz | is there something wrong with the imagemagick version in stable? |
| 13:57.11 | blizz | seems like compose isnt working at all |
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| 13:58.00 | sixtysixbilly | i haven't done anything to the hp yet. it's booting debian fine. problem is the bios is too old to recognise 32G plus hds |
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| 13:58.14 | sixtysixbilly | so it's not much use as a file server! |
| 13:58.19 | zicho | when i start X in debian unstable I get a "Caught signal 4... exiting" and then "xinit: connection to server was lost". X worked when i had just installed debian, but when i rebooted it did not work. Does anyoneknpow what the problem is? |
| 13:58.24 | Bluechip | where did you get the updated BIOS image from? |
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| 13:59.31 | sixtysixbilly | got one of hp, another off wims.rainbow-software.org |
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| 14:00.06 | Bluechip | do they not supply a flash tool!? http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=awdflash |
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| 14:00.59 | wo0f | how do i find out what realease im using?> |
| 14:01.13 | sixtysixbilly | another problem might be that you're talking to a relative noob here also. all their flash utilities are for dos or windows |
| 14:01.21 | hark | !tell wo0f about version |
| 14:01.21 | Bluechip | yes |
| 14:01.33 | hark | there's flashrom |
| 14:01.34 | Bluechip | sixtysixbilly: flash from a dos boot disk |
| 14:01.39 | Bluechip | bootdisk.com |
| 14:02.05 | Bluechip | do NOT flash from Windoze |
| 14:02.41 | wo0f | hark: cheers. |
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| 14:02.45 | sixtysixbilly | didn't think of that. i'll stay well clear of windows alright/ |
| 14:03.29 | Bluechip | you want as close to nothing running as possible when you flash your bios |
| 14:03.35 | sixtysixbilly | just have to find a floppy drive now :) have one here somewhere |
| 14:03.39 | Bluechip | DOS is as close to nothing as it gets |
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| 14:03.47 | Bluechip | lol |
| 14:04.07 | jmichaelx | could someone tell me how to set kdm as the default dm? |
| 14:04.22 | sixtysixbilly | yeah, well it's no worries on that front. i thihk all i have running on that machine is samba and maybe less |
| 14:04.26 | hark | jmichaelx: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 14:04.39 | jmichaelx | hark: ty much |
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| 14:08.20 | loca|host | how to not to let bash log commands to .bash_history |
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| 14:08.36 | logyati | i need a good usplash tutorial |
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| 14:09.12 | sixtysixbilly | Bluechip: cheers for that |
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| 14:10.27 | Bluechip | np dude |
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| 14:12.52 | hark | /usr/share/doc/usplash |
| 14:12.59 | gladier | hey guys - quick question. when i type ./configure --prefix=/tmp/nghost-unstable-$SVN-1/usr it puts all the usr stuff into that folder - is there any way to do the same thing with everything which is supposed to goto etc? |
| 14:13.48 | DexterF | I'm just doing a kernel config debian style for the first time. build dozens of kernels, but not with debian/rules. I was told t run updateconfigs after changing the config but then it just blooy takes me thru make oldconfig or something that looks lie it again - why? |
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| 14:14.22 | hark | loca|host: man bash /HISTFILE |
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| 14:14.51 | loca|host | Pattern not found |
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| 14:15.05 | Orion_X11 | Do you know guys if it will be possible to fire debian into Children's Laptop (OLPC) instead of using Fedora which will be the OS default for that? |
| 14:15.15 | |XO| | i have xfce running but something is blocking ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 14:15.39 | |XO| | anyone know where its bieng blocked? |
| 14:16.03 | hark | check xorg.conf, it may be disabled |
| 14:16.12 | Orion_X11 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XO-1_%28laptop%29 |
| 14:16.15 | hark | loca|host: look again |
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| 14:17.06 | aycko | hi |
| 14:17.22 | |XO| | i check xorf.conf its not disabled there |
| 14:17.24 | hark | Option "DontZap" in the serverflags section |
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| 14:18.33 | capiira | hmm hi how can i display the memory usage of every app int he terminal ? |
| 14:19.06 | aycko | capiira: top for example |
| 14:19.20 | BotaniCar | apt-get install htop ; htop ; F5 ; sort by mem usage |
| 14:19.31 | BotaniCar | nic curses interface, easy to read |
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| 14:20.05 | aycko | anyone uses vmware server on debian host? |
| 14:20.36 | capiira | i used but using virtual box now |
| 14:20.40 | aycko | i tried to plug in my ipod on a vmware host. but it does not work. |
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| 14:20.59 | capiira | dunno do not have an ipod |
| 14:21.13 | aycko | its the same with every usb drive |
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| 14:21.28 | zicho | cant anyone help me with my Xserver? I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, rebooting, installing another driver. |
| 14:21.51 | capiira | aycko, its strange top also do not show everything like gnome |
| 14:21.56 | stew | capiira: ps -o%p%z ax |
| 14:22.06 | |XO| | where does debian startx from when you have awindows manager auto start on boot? |
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| 14:22.20 | xerophyte4 | i have debian etch server, which has some raid contoller problem, so the drives are on readonly mode, is there anyway i can copy the whole server to xen image and try to boot if so how can i do that ? |
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| 14:22.31 | stew | |XO|: /etc/init.d/?dm usually |
| 14:22.43 | stew | |XO|: wher ? is something like x,k,g,w |
| 14:22.55 | zicho | |XO| it doesnt start anything |
| 14:23.16 | capiira | stew thats crazy :) impossible to understand the output |
| 14:23.43 | stew | capiira: its just "pid size" |
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| 14:23.51 | stew | capiira: what form do you want the output in |
| 14:24.03 | capiira | human readable and with app name maybe |
| 14:24.22 | capiira | i know whole system is using around 170mb ram |
| 14:24.31 | capiira | but gnome just show 3 apps using ram |
| 14:25.02 | capiira | nautilus 6mib and 2 other apps with 1mib or so and rest with 0 |
| 14:25.12 | capiira | thats impossible |
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| 14:25.14 | capiira | hehe |
| 14:25.17 | Nevaeh | test |
| 14:25.51 | stew | capiira: "ps -o%a%z ax" then. man ps and look for the format codes if you want to change the output |
| 14:26.01 | stew | capiira: or if you want the output sorted |
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| 14:26.30 | capiira | ahh ok thanks |
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| 14:27.09 | capiira | that gnome process tab in system monitor is kinda useless |
| 14:27.13 | stew | capiira: or maybe somehting like "ps -eo pid,vsize,args --sort vsize" |
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| 14:27.33 | RubG | Hello, I was using a bad syntax using mount command like mount -o remount defaults,noatime /var but now I cannot kill the mount using kill -9! how can I kill it? |
| 14:28.02 | stew | RubG: if its in process state D you probably can't |
| 14:28.10 | capiira | thank you |
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| 14:28.52 | kantor | hi, DMA data transfers are using multi block reads and writes ? it it's enabled ? |
| 14:28.52 | kantor | <kantor> because in the ATA specification mulicount read/write is on the PIO protocol |
| 14:29.11 | RubG | stew: yes it uses D, what does mean? |
| 14:29.23 | RubG | oot 17295 0.0 0.0 3368 800 pts/6 D+ 16:28 0:00 mount -o remount,defaults,noatime /var |
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| 14:29.30 | stew | RubG: uninterruptable sleep, this usually means that the process is waiting for IO to complete |
| 14:29.43 | RubG | mount -o remount,defaults,noatime /var this syntax is correct? |
| 14:29.44 | stew | RubG: and the "uninterruptable" part is the part that means you can't kill it |
| 14:29.51 | RubG | ahh thanks |
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| 14:30.39 | stew | RubG: i don't know what you think "defaults" is doing there, since you obviously don't want the defaults, you want noatime. but yes, this syntax is valid so long as /var is mounted already |
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| 14:30.48 | jelly | RubG: I usually just add noatime to the mix: ... -o remount,noatime ... |
| 14:30.53 | P-K | whats the proper syntax for blocking an ip with route? |
| 14:31.25 | RubG | jelly: but it is okey? why it is still running and does not end? |
| 14:31.51 | jelly | RubG: probably nothing to do with your syntax |
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| 14:32.25 | RubG | ah OK |
| 14:32.26 | DexterF | !kernel |
| 14:32.28 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.6, prepatch: 2.6.23-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.23-rc6-git7, 2.4: 2.4.35.2, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-rc6-mm1 |
| 14:32.35 | DexterF | :[ |
| 14:33.51 | capiira | that kernel command displays the debian kernel or just general kernel available? |
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| 14:34.52 | stew | P-K: route add -host 1.2.3.4 reject |
| 14:34.53 | infinity0 | which package do i need to install for gstreamer WMV support? atm i can play some WMVs but not others (of type "Windows Media Player 9") |
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| 14:36.08 | DexterF | capiira: new scheduler? again? what's different this time? |
| 14:36.29 | capiira | sometimes when applications use the cpu, etc. too much then mouse and few other things becomes lags in gnome, i hope the new scheduler fixes that |
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| 14:36.44 | capiira | its a mix of the -ck scheduler |
| 14:37.16 | DexterF | no another one atop of cfq? |
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| 14:37.19 | zicho | has anyone had any trouble with X in debian unstable? |
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| 14:37.29 | stew | zicho: tons of people |
| 14:37.44 | zicho | then how come there is no one here that can help me? |
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| 14:38.25 | smhar | I am running lenny and sometimes when I do an apt-get upgrade I see several packages have been kept back. Is there a way to know why a particular package is on hold? |
| 14:38.29 | capiira | DexterF, http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_23 |
| 14:39.00 | capiira | are you pinning to unstable smhar ? |
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| 14:39.15 | stew | smhar: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 14:39.15 | et | smhar: most of the time it's because it would install or uninstall other packages |
| 14:39.33 | smhar | capiira, what do you mean by pinning to unstable? |
| 14:39.34 | stew | s/most/all/ afaik |
| 14:39.35 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, i've got myself in a muddle with some packages. By mistake I deleted /etc/apache2; I did a apt-get remove apache2, and then an apt-get isntall apache2 but it's not re-installing all the files, although the package installation is working, apache won't start. Is there a way to totally remove every apache related file, then, put it all back in from scratch, apt-get --purge remove apache2 doesn't seem to be sufficient |
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| 14:39.48 | et | aptitude full-upgrade will upgrade while installing/uninstalling packages |
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| 14:40.18 | stew | andrewtaylor_: --purge would work, but the config files aren't owned by apache2, they are owned by apache2.2-common, also, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:40.36 | capiira | smhar, then you're not pinning to unstable. if you don't know what that is! |
| 14:40.40 | andrewtaylor_ | thank you stew |
| 14:40.45 | smhar | ok.. I saw that compiz-core and compiz-gnome are kept back, it would be nice to have the latest in those |
| 14:41.07 | stew | smhar: "aptitude insatll compiz-core compiz-gnome" |
| 14:41.10 | smhar | capiira, my sources are just lenny |
| 14:41.28 | capiira | or a dist-upgrade |
| 14:41.33 | smhar | stew, is that safe? |
| 14:41.40 | zicho | I just get "Signal 4" when i try to start X, why? Cant someone help me? |
| 14:41.52 | smhar | or apt-get install compiz-core compiz-gnome? |
| 14:42.11 | stew | smhar: yes, as long as you pay attention to what it might want to remove, before you hit 'Y' |
| 14:42.24 | stew | smhar: yes, you could do the same with apt-get |
| 14:42.38 | stew | zicho: which driver are you using? have you checked the bts? |
| 14:43.26 | smhar | stew, is there a 'apt-get install -do a dummy install' ? |
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| 14:43.44 | stew | smhar: yes, -s, /msg dpkg kept back |
| 14:43.53 | et | --dry-run |
| 14:43.58 | stew | smhar: depending on what you mean by "dummy install" |
| 14:44.30 | smhar | stew, show me what packages you are going to install or remove |
| 14:44.30 | stew | smhar: but in any case, its going to tell you waht it is going to do and give you a chance to say no before it does anything, since it obvioulsy needs to install something additional or remove somehting |
| 14:44.44 | stew | smhar: yes, -s, /msg dpkg kept back |
| 14:44.53 | smhar | stew, ok.. thanks |
| 14:45.12 | stew | smhar: and it doesn that no matter what |
| 14:45.16 | stew | smhar: even if you don't give it the -s |
| 14:45.21 | smhar | for compiz in gnome in lenny.. do I need to do anything else other than installing it? |
| 14:45.51 | stew | smhar: you need compiz-gnome |
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| 14:47.09 | capiira | btw. from where does the system get the debian version ? |
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| 14:48.08 | stew | capiira: base-files? what do you mean exactly? |
| 14:48.22 | capiira | i mean if its lenny or unstable |
| 14:48.33 | stew | capiira: it dosn't |
| 14:48.56 | marcz908 | are there any good tutorials on getting started with exim on debian? virtual hosts and users, smtp auth, etc? i have no experience with exim, but i do have experience with qmail and i'd like to try out exim since it came with debian |
| 14:48.58 | stew | capiira: unless perhaps you have specified "APT::Default-Release" in /etc/apt/apt.conf* |
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| 14:49.38 | capiira | i'm using testing with pinning to unstable |
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| 14:50.10 | capiira | now gnome shows Debian Release unstable (sid) |
| 14:50.35 | capiira | i upgraded something that names the system but dunno what |
| 14:50.56 | stew | capiira: base-files |
| 14:51.06 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 14:51.11 | capiira | thanks |
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| 14:51.38 | stew | capiira: dpkg -S /etc/issue /etc/issue.net |
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| 14:52.20 | capiira | what does that do ? |
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| 14:52.38 | stew | capiira: "which package owns these files" |
| 14:52.53 | stew | capiira: and those files is where the text you are asking about is contained |
| 14:53.02 | capiira | ahh ok :) |
| 14:54.39 | \amethyst | dlocate -S is a much much faster alternative to dpkg -S, if you have dlocate installed |
| 14:55.00 | capiira | hmm gnome 2.20 is slowly joining unstable |
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| 14:58.49 | andrewtaylor_ | does anyone know if libapache2-mod-php5 is repsonsible for creation php5.load and php5.conf in /etc/mods-available ? |
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| 14:59.06 | stew | andrewtaylor_: it is |
| 14:59.10 | SerajewelKS | is it safe to replace the CMOS battery while the system is powered up? |
| 14:59.21 | stew | andrewtaylor_: and "dpkg -S /etc/mods-available/php5.{load,conf}" should verify that |
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| 14:59.44 | andrewtaylor_ | stew: hmm, they're not there |
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| 15:00.06 | SerajewelKS | andrewtaylor_: did you delete them? |
| 15:00.09 | Neeesat | hello to all |
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| 15:00.39 | fastputty | hi, i have apt-get install php5 but when i type php -v it still version 4.4 someone could help me |
| 15:00.46 | Neeesat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.48 | stew | andrewtaylor_: err, that should have been "dpkg -S /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.{load,conf}" but if they aren't there, and libapache2-mod-php5 is installed, then someone deleted them, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:00.51 | SerajewelKS | fastputty: install php5-cli |
| 15:01.03 | andrewtaylor_ | I deleted the whole /etc/apache2 directory (whoops) - Stew told me how to apt-get remove all items and reinstall but they didn't come back |
| 15:01.17 | SerajewelKS | !tell andrewtaylor_ about confmiss |
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| 15:01.23 | tzanger | morning |
| 15:01.23 | stew | fastputty: "php -v" is coming from the php4-cli package then, so if you want the "php" command to be php5, install php5-cli |
| 15:01.44 | tzanger | is there a way to have dpkg report which configuration files in the various packages have been changed from the package install defaults? |
| 15:01.46 | fastputty | ok thanks |
| 15:01.47 | fastputty | stew |
| 15:01.51 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks |
| 15:02.00 | SerajewelKS | didn't i just say "install php5-cli"? |
| 15:02.12 | tzanger | kind of like a diff between what's in the system and what the package manager installed but just a list of the files instead |
| 15:03.03 | stew | tzanger: no |
| 15:04.05 | tzanger | stew: I think there's a way to compare the binaries against those in the packages, but I didn't know about conf files |
| 15:04.37 | Neeesat | The prebuild kernel from installation is working. It seems that some driver is not loaded in the new kernel |
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| 15:05.56 | |XO| | is thre a problem with etch and prism54? |
| 15:06.02 | fastputty | SerajewelKS: thanks SerajewelKS :DDD i didnt read your msg |
| 15:06.13 | SerajewelKS | fastputty: :) |
| 15:06.37 | stew | tzanger: yeah, debsums. I could be wrong about the existence of such a tool. one would be easy enough to create, since all the data is available on your system, the list of conffiles is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.conffiles, and I know that it is storing md5sums of those files *somewhere* since it uses it to decide whether or not to overwrite those files |
| 15:06.56 | stew | |XO|: why do you ask? |
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| 15:07.14 | tzanger | stew: interesting... I will investigate further, thank you |
| 15:07.16 | smhar | after I install compiz-core and compiz-gnome, do I need to change anything in xorg.conf? |
| 15:07.54 | stew | tzanger: the md5s are in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 15:15.15 | psychonate | smhar, http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 15:15.19 | jelly | is there a sh compatible interactive shell capable of receiving dbus messages and adjusting its env.variables or doing other kinds of self-configuration based on them? |
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| 15:15.45 | infinity0 | would it be safe to download the unstable sources for mozilla-plugin-gnash and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and compile them on etch? |
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| 15:16.20 | jelly | infernix: probably. this is exactly what backporting is. |
| 15:16.28 | jelly | err |
| 15:16.35 | jelly | infinity0: probably. this is exactly what backporting is. |
| 15:16.40 | infinity0 | right, kk, thanks :) |
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| 15:25.12 | JasonF | Is there still a place to get woody packages at? the http.us.debian.org is 404ing (I know it needs to be upgraded, but I need a kludge) |
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| 15:29.18 | Bluechip | I've just burned myself a custom install CD and it's gotten as far as "detect and mount CD" and told me that my CD is not valid ....is there any more information about what this might mean in real terms? |
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| 15:31.27 | Bluechip | anyone? :( |
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| 15:33.31 | LordWolF | sup all |
| 15:33.58 | LordWolF | anybody here have vbox installed? |
| 15:34.04 | hark | !tell JasonF about debian archive |
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| 15:35.15 | hark | !tell LordWolF about ask |
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| 15:36.26 | zicho | How can i fix so i dont get "Signal 4" when i try to start X in debian unstable? |
| 15:37.30 | abrotman | why do you get signal |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | bah |
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| 15:38.50 | zicho | Help would be greatly appreciated... |
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| 15:39.05 | Ronin | zicho: try not leaving after asking the question :) |
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| 15:39.16 | py_ | hello |
| 15:39.36 | zicho | Ronin: Not my fault... finch keeps crashing =/ |
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| 15:40.20 | xerophyte4 | i am trying to install rsync on serge xen image .. i am getting this error " rsync: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 is to be installed" |
| 15:40.25 | hark | zicho: did you check the bts? |
| 15:40.26 | py_ | If I configure computer A to use a serial console, connect it to B with the proper cable, what software can I run on B to capture A's kernel output? |
| 15:40.31 | zicho | hark: bts? |
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| 15:40.35 | Ronin | !bts |
| 15:40.35 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 15:40.46 | hark | !btssmite zicho |
| 15:40.46 | Joran | Hi all |
| 15:40.52 | Ronin | zicho: is there a reason why you're running unstable |
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| 15:41.39 | zicho | Ronin: Yes, i want to have the latest packages. And i have been running unstable before without any troubles. |
| 15:41.41 | xerophyte4 | could somebody help me to resolve this issue libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 is to be installed |
| 15:41.56 | Ronin | ahh the latest and greatest syndrome ;) |
| 15:42.11 | zicho | i guess. |
| 15:42.13 | hark | sns ;) |
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| 15:42.24 | zicho | ? |
| 15:42.30 | Joran | I'm trying to install on a machine and I have the -netinst iso that echo's lenny as /etc/default-release . I want to install onto raid... but there's a couple of things that are confusing me. |
| 15:42.33 | hark | !sns |
| 15:42.34 | Ronin | shiny new syndrome |
| 15:42.48 | zicho | ah. |
| 15:42.51 | hark | anyway, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442852 |
| 15:42.53 | Joran | first is the missing fdisk - how do I set the partitions to type fd without it? |
| 15:43.22 | zicho | i have to write that link down... since i cant enter it directly from finch |
| 15:43.38 | Joran | (I've created the raw partitions with parted, but don't see a way of setting the partition type with it) |
| 15:43.39 | stew | xerophyte4: you are trying to mix sarge and etch which is not supported, you need to either stick with sarge, or upgrade fully to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 15:44.07 | stew | zicho: which driver are you using? |
| 15:44.13 | `Vinz` | hello |
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| 15:45.27 | mafu | Hi there. I've set up a small Debian machine. I want the default encoding for everything to be utf-8. Is there an easy way to do this? |
| 15:45.35 | zicho | stew: nv |
| 15:45.47 | stew | zicho: have you checked the bts? |
| 15:45.55 | DexterF | when having a kernel with debug info, will the modules occupy as much ram as they are in size? |
| 15:46.18 | DexterF | mafu: etch? if so, isnt that utf8 by default? |
| 15:46.30 | zicho | stew: im about too. But i hate browsing in console mode. |
| 15:46.40 | zicho | But i guess i have to, but i have to close down irc first. |
| 15:46.57 | stew | zicho: welcome to unstable |
| 15:47.04 | zicho | lol |
| 15:47.07 | mafu | DexterF, yes, etch. I thought it was, but my filenames come out funny when seeing them on my Ubuntu system, which is definetily utf-8. |
| 15:47.18 | mafu | DexterF, how can I check it? |
| 15:48.02 | JasonF | hark: Thanks! |
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| 15:48.28 | DexterF | mafu: what does echo $LANG say? |
| 15:48.57 | mafu | DexterF, en_DK.UTF-8 |
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| 15:49.20 | DexterF | hmm. and those files were created in that etch? |
| 15:49.26 | `Vinz` | does anyone know how to use partman with preseed ? |
| 15:50.02 | mafu | DexterF, yes. But I just found out that they show up just fine if I mount the directory with sshfs instead of using Konquerors fish:// - thingy. |
| 15:50.04 | Joran | so, okay, why is the lenny installer missing fdisk and how do I set the partition type set to fd without it? |
| 15:50.05 | `Vinz` | I wrote a config file, but the partitioning doesn't seem to work |
| 15:50.25 | mafu | DexterF, but is there any way to find out which charset the filenames are written in? |
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| 15:50.47 | DexterF | good question. check convmv switches. |
| 15:51.00 | DexterF | sounds like a kde issue perhaps. |
| 15:51.02 | Nuxis | nalioth: !! |
| 15:53.01 | mafu | DexterF, okay. "convmv" doesn't mean anything to me. But I think I'll leave it at this, everything must be UTF-8 :) |
| 15:53.04 | mafu | DexterF, thanks. |
| 15:53.18 | DexterF | yw |
| 15:53.37 | DexterF | convmv is a encoding converter script, should report, too |
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| 15:56.59 | faemir | free pie for anyone who can tell me why when I use apt-get it asks for my debian cd =D |
| 15:57.00 | Joran | okay, similar question another way round.... how do I "install" a .deb into the installer? i.e. the ramdisk |
| 15:57.24 | pengol | hi there ... I have just dist-upgraded unstable and I have problem with Xorg fonts. All fonts in the windows menu and decoration and in gtk and qt applications look huge ... I can only use xterm. Anybody have suggestion to fix thie? |
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| 15:58.03 | Ronin | faemir: because yo have it listed in our sources.list |
| 15:58.04 | iPod-nano | My box is having problems resolving any mirror. |
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| 15:58.31 | faemir | haha, thanks =] |
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| 15:58.53 | faemir | is that default or did I do that accidently in the install? |
| 15:59.07 | iPod-nano | I think I screwed up the way my network is installed. |
| 15:59.10 | Ronin | !tell faemir about mirrors |
| 15:59.56 | mafu | DexterF, that's a handy utility, convmv. |
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| 16:00.01 | pengol | has anybody dist-upgraded unstable today? |
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| 16:01.03 | faemir | One more thing, why is there a debian subfolder in applications? Or rather, what is the point of it? |
| 16:01.13 | Joran | surely someone knows if there's a way to install a deb into the installer?! |
| 16:01.16 | iPod-nano | What am I supposed to put in resolv.conf? |
| 16:01.23 | Joran | a .udeb even |
| 16:01.31 | pengol | iPod-nano: /etc |
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| 16:01.44 | pengol | iPod-nano: dns server |
| 16:01.46 | faemir | that's better. xchat =] |
| 16:01.49 | iPod-nano | No, I mean, what goes in the file? |
| 16:01.57 | cahoot | iPod-nano, if you use dhcp - nothing |
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| 16:04.16 | pengol | anybody want to have a look to my desktop to understand my problem?= |
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| 16:05.02 | Joran | gee you think this would be a doddle - all I wanna do is set the partition type! |
| 16:05.24 | Bluechip | cfdisk /dev/hd? |
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| 16:05.31 | Bluechip | select type |
| 16:05.34 | Bluechip | enter value |
| 16:05.36 | Bluechip | hit write |
| 16:05.38 | Joran | Bluechip: cfdisk doesn't exist in the lenny installer |
| 16:05.40 | Bluechip | quit |
| 16:05.41 | Joran | that's the problem |
| 16:05.46 | Bluechip | oh |
| 16:05.49 | Joran | cfdisk fdisk sfdisk none of them |
| 16:05.49 | pengol | fdisk |
| 16:05.54 | pengol | wow |
| 16:06.02 | Bluechip | are you sure it's not in /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 16:06.07 | Joran | yep! |
| 16:06.26 | Bluechip | excuse me ...you ARE whoami==root?? |
| 16:06.26 | iPod-nano | It still can't resolve the mirror. |
| 16:06.33 | Joran | there's a udeb but gawdknows how to do anything with that |
| 16:06.37 | Joran | yeah I'm root |
| 16:06.43 | Bluechip | sh17 |
| 16:06.49 | Joran | not that the installer has whoami either |
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| 16:07.01 | pengol | is it possible to downgrade xorg? |
| 16:07.15 | iPod-nano | Someone help please. I can't use apt-get because it can't resolve the mirror. |
| 16:07.31 | Joran | yeah, 'cos parted doesn't have the ability to set partition type that I can see |
| 16:07.43 | pengol | iPod-nano: what is there in the resolv.conf? |
| 16:08.13 | iPod-nano | pengol, right now it's blank. |
| 16:08.24 | pengol | put a nameserver in it |
| 16:08.37 | iPod-nano | What nameserver would that be? |
| 16:08.43 | pengol | nameserver 192.167.11.1 |
| 16:08.47 | pengol | put this |
| 16:09.19 | karmatronic | pengol: hum i would suggest 194.2.0.20 instead |
| 16:10.01 | pengol | karmatronic: any dns whold work |
| 16:10.05 | pengol | would work |
| 16:10.21 | pengol | anybody has upgraded unstable today? |
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| 16:11.12 | Joran | Bluechip: but it would seem that I have no options left - noone can tell me how to install fdisk into the installer from the .udeb, I have over an hour waiting for the raid to resync so can't reboot into tomsrtbt or similar, and I can't proceed into the installation until I can get the raid working right. |
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| 16:11.47 | eldowan | quanta now refuses to start, and ties up one core of my CPU completely. I have renamed .kde/share/apps/quanta folder, and tried to run it as a different user. I would try to purge, and re install, but it wants to remove the kde package. Where would I start to try to troubleshoot this? Or, is there an alternative to use for web development? |
| 16:11.49 | faemir | can someone tell me how often unstable breaks? |
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| 16:12.09 | kspath | mrxvt is SO nice |
| 16:12.15 | Ronin | faemir: depends |
| 16:12.17 | iPod-nano | OK, that works/ |
| 16:12.17 | karmatronic | faemir: every time you really dont feel like searching solutions |
| 16:12.19 | iPod-nano | Thanks |
| 16:12.36 | faemir | ok, how much more unstable is it than testing? |
| 16:12.51 | faemir | I mean how big is the jump compared to stable / testing |
| 16:12.53 | Ronin | faemir: lots or none depending on the day :) |
| 16:13.06 | dad | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 16:13.13 | dad | help! |
| 16:13.14 | faemir | I think I will stick with lenny for now |
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| 16:13.27 | Ronin | faemir: good decision unless you can fix it by yourself |
| 16:13.40 | faemir | Though, if debian etch is /stable/ then why is gaim beta 5 the latest of it? :| |
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| 16:14.00 | Ronin | because that was the release when stable was frozen most likely |
| 16:14.17 | eldowan | Oh yes, I suppose it would be good to include I'm running lenny. quanta is at 4:3.5.7-2 0 |
| 16:14.21 | faemir | yes, but it's a beta, which surely isn't a stable piece of software |
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| 16:14.44 | faemir | or does that not matter? |
| 16:14.55 | faemir | It just seems a bit contradictory |
| 16:14.58 | karmatronic | faemir: really need gaim? |
| 16:14.59 | eldowan | faemir: it has undergon quite a bit of testing, and the beta was deemed stable enough to include in a stable distribution. |
| 16:15.06 | faemir | ah ok |
| 16:15.11 | faemir | karmatronic, what do you mean? |
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| 16:15.37 | faemir | oh and if someone could tell me what the benefits of x.org 7.3 are, that would be cool =] I'm not getting it, just curious |
| 16:15.38 | karmatronic | faemir: i m curious , why do you need gaim ? |
| 16:15.47 | Ronin | karmatronic: why wouldnt they? |
| 16:16.01 | faemir | karmatronic, because I talk to people on jabber, msn & yahoo |
| 16:16.53 | karmatronic | Ronin: who needs gaim? |
| 16:16.53 | faemir | ideally I would just use gajim =[ |
| 16:16.53 | Ronin | karmatronic: who nees linux? windows? computers? |
| 16:16.53 | karmatronic | faemir: ok if you use yahoo.apart from that , jabber support on gaim/gajim is null |
| 16:16.53 | faemir | ._. |
| 16:16.55 | karmatronic | faemir: gaim with msn doesnt support webcam |
| 16:17.07 | Ronin | karmatronic: asuming they have a webcam of course |
| 16:17.07 | faemir | what do you mean jabber support on gajim is null? |
| 16:17.18 | faemir | I do, but I don't use it at all. |
| 16:17.24 | Bluechip | Joran: been afk - has anyone suggested a debian live-cd yet? |
| 16:17.28 | karmatronic | faemir: gajim cant discover (and then use) jabber services |
| 16:17.29 | faemir | Those kind of features seem pointless to me |
| 16:17.30 | Joran | amsn is best for webcam on msn |
| 16:17.37 | faemir | I thought that |
| 16:17.39 | Joran | Bluechip: I have to wait for the raid to resync |
| 16:17.45 | faemir | karmatronic, erm, so what should I use for jabber? |
| 16:18.04 | karmatronic | faemir: i use psi |
| 16:18.18 | karmatronic | faemir: with msn transport , so i m also connected to msn |
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| 16:18.37 | Bluechip | Joran: OK dude, but if the CD you have is so terrible, that's gotta be a good way forward ...remember to sudo passwd && su |
| 16:18.44 | karmatronic | faemir: i could even connect to yahoo but since nobody i know uses yahoo |
| 16:18.57 | Joran | psi can cause server admins difficulties because of it's aggressive reconnect |
| 16:18.59 | karmatronic | faemir: and when i m at home, i use amsn |
| 16:19.27 | faemir | karmatronic, I used transport for aim yahoo icq & msn on gajim |
| 16:19.53 | karmatronic | Joran: oh you can get rid of this reconnect feature |
| 16:19.58 | Joran | Bluechip: yeah, well I'd use tomsrtbt tbh or sysrescuecd, but I can't believe that someone thought it a good idea to pull fdisk from the installer |
| 16:20.14 | karmatronic | faemir: oyu mean you use gaim only to connect to jabber ? |
| 16:20.31 | faemir | karmatronic, gajim, not gaim. |
| 16:20.46 | karmatronic | faemir: yeah yeah :) |
| 16:21.15 | Bluechip | Joran: I concur ...Perhaps they hired the dick from M$ who thought it was a good idea to remove it from the 95 recover floppy ;) |
| 16:21.19 | hark | Joran: fdisk is there |
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| 16:21.28 | Joran | hark: where!?!?!?! |
| 16:21.36 | Joran | in lenny installer it is not. |
| 16:21.42 | karmatronic | faemir: anyway , its just my point of view, feel free to use you favorite client :) |
| 16:22.18 | faemir | ok |
| 16:22.24 | hark | Joran: i know it's there in the etch installer, and you should have an fdisk udeb in the netinst cd as well if you check |
| 16:22.38 | Joran | yes, but noone will tell me how to install it |
| 16:22.44 | faemir | karmatronic, is it still being updated? the last release was last year sometime |
| 16:22.46 | Joran | it's not as if there's apt-get |
| 16:22.58 | hark | udpkg -i foo |
| 16:23.33 | faemir | why on earth would you have the nickname ipod-nano O_o |
| 16:23.33 | hark | Joran: but go up to the partitioning setup screen, swith to another console and try running fdisk |
| 16:23.56 | Joran | hark : I'm not stupid - there is no fdisk executable |
| 16:24.09 | Joran | seriously there isn't. |
| 16:25.17 | Joran | I think it's a broken udeb |
| 16:25.35 | Joran | I've just udpkg -i and it hasn't installed a binary either |
| 16:25.42 | Bluechip | Do you want me to DCC or email you an exe? |
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| 16:28.46 | iarwain1 | hiya, can anyone help me with my nfs-setup? i can't seem to access my 2nd_hdd folder (that holds a mounted hdd) via nfs. I have a home folder being shared, and in the home folder is the 2nd_hdd folder. I can access the home folder perfectly via a client, but not the 2nd_hdd folder. I can access everything server-side (meaning the 2nd_hdd folder aswell). |
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| 16:29.14 | dante_2core | sup |
| 16:29.29 | dante_2core | anyone know when the new xorg will not be held back anymore |
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| 16:29.54 | dante_2core | ? |
| 16:30.03 | dante_2core | (in unstable, sorry) |
| 16:30.06 | hark | !tell dante_2core about held back |
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| 16:30.30 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 16:30.32 | dante_2core | i used upgrade |
| 16:30.32 | hark | Joran: try another installer or use the etch one then |
| 16:30.35 | dante_2core | shall i dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:30.48 | dante_2core | hark, shall I dist-upgrade then? |
| 16:31.24 | hark | read the whole factoid |
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| 16:32.13 | dante_2core | ok, thank you and sorry for my ignorance |
| 16:32.14 | kenji | guys for linux witch graphical svn client its the best? |
| 16:32.33 | Joran | hark: once I can reboot, I'll be fine, it's just frustrating right now |
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| 16:34.27 | faemir | kenji, that depends on personal opinion. |
| 16:35.07 | kenji | faemir: could you recommend me one? |
| 16:35.19 | faemir | rapidsvn |
| 16:35.31 | marcz908 | i am attempting to remove exim, when i run dpkg --purge exim4-daemon-light, i get a message saying: mailx depends on exim4, i want to get rid of exim so i can install a fake-mta and run qmail, how can i get rid of exim given the circumstances? |
| 16:35.34 | faemir | it's for windows as well AFAIR |
| 16:35.35 | kenji | faemir: other ... because rapidsvn break himself :S |
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| 16:36.24 | nox-Hand | !libc6 |
| 16:36.24 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
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| 16:37.36 | faemir | hmm |
| 16:37.37 | faemir | !debian |
| 16:37.37 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:37.42 | faemir | ^_^ |
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| 16:40.30 | zmyrgel | Any idea why every key seesm to get stuck on X? |
| 16:40.50 | faemir | what do you mean zmyrgel ? |
| 16:40.51 | marcz908 | which package is rpc.statd come with? |
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| 16:41.10 | zmyrgel | It gives random amount of keypresses when I press some key |
| 16:41.13 | zmyrgel | Console works fine |
| 16:41.21 | zmyrgel | like ttttttttttthiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssss |
| 16:41.24 | zmyrgel | :) |
| 16:41.40 | zmyrgel | It's a new installation of etch |
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| 16:41.56 | faemir | have no clue why, but have you tried another keyboard? |
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| 16:42.35 | zmyrgel | nope, not sure if I have another with me... but I doubt the keyboard as it works in console |
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| 16:43.13 | faemir | it's always worth a try =] |
| 16:43.39 | faemir | is it a usb keyboard? |
| 16:43.46 | zmyrgel | no |
| 16:43.52 | zmyrgel | a PS/2 |
| 16:43.58 | zmyrgel | It's an old PC |
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| 16:44.44 | faemir | you tried any other distros/ |
| 16:44.46 | faemir | ? * |
| 16:44.48 | Ryushin | I'm writing a script to extract e-mail addresses out of individual e-mails for postmaster processing. I'm using mpop to suck the messages off the exchange server into a directory in maildir format. Any line longer than 76 characters gets wrapped to a new line with a = put at the end of it. What is causing this? Exchange, mpop, or the maildir standard? |
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| 16:45.30 | zmyrgel | It took me an hour to install this |
| 16:45.45 | rahmmetli | i dont have problem with my laptops internal speakers but i cant hear anything when i use external speakers |
| 16:45.47 | faemir | zmyrgel, livecd |
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| 16:46.09 | Bluechip | nite all |
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| 16:46.12 | zmyrgel | Hardware-wise it should be OK. Atleast it worked a week ago and hasn't been in use since |
| 16:46.19 | blk | debian installs libs into their own subfolders inside /usr/include/, is there a way to work around editing each header file to search in current dir? "include.h" or <APP/include.h> instead of <include.h> |
| 16:47.15 | dorshin | i dont have problem with my laptops internal speakers but i cant hear anything when i use external speakers |
| 16:48.07 | faemir | are they pluggedin? :| |
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| 16:48.29 | n3rdAi | hello someone here ? |
| 16:48.31 | dorshin | faemir, are you asking to me? |
| 16:48.51 | faemir | erm, either |
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| 16:49.18 | SoulChild | hi all |
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| 16:49.57 | dorshin | so can anybody help? |
| 16:49.57 | n3rdAi | guys why are they 3xdvd on debian packages |
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| 16:50.19 | SoulChild | my network interface is called eth2 altough there isn't an interface called eth1 ,... how do i restart the network ???? /etc/init.d/networking does not exsist |
| 16:51.31 | dorshin | what do you mean with restart? |
| 16:51.54 | CrippsFX | ... that would be amazing. |
| 16:52.02 | dorshin | SoulChild,l what do you mean with restart? |
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| 16:54.56 | macogw | didn't the topic used to say "this is not #ubuntu"? |
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| 16:55.32 | petemc | mx-zoom: /topic |
| 16:55.36 | petemc | gah |
| 16:55.43 | dorshin | i dont have problem with my laptops internal speakers but i cant hear anything when i use external speakers(debian etch). |
| 16:55.51 | petemc | mx-zoom: wrong nick |
| 16:56.03 | rileyrg | how to install an i386 debian .deb file on amd64? Google say picasa will work in the 32 bit support but how to get the package installed? |
| 16:56.52 | faemir | dorshin, you looked in alsamixer to make sure nothing's muted? |
| 16:57.09 | dorshin | faemir, yes i did |
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| 16:57.47 | SoulChild | why do i have a eth2 device but no eth1 ??? |
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| 16:58.10 | zmyrgel | Just tested another keyboard and it still gives from 1 to 3 lines of input with single key press |
| 16:58.31 | zmyrgel | What Xorg package controls the keyboard input? |
| 16:59.33 | gkiagia | dorshin: maybe use a more recent kernel from testing/unstable (or compile a more recent version of alsa) |
| 17:00.12 | SoulChild | where do i change the device name of my ethernet ? |
| 17:00.46 | rileyrg | no one here running picasa on amd64 debian? |
| 17:00.49 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 17:00.49 | dpkg | well, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
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| 17:01.14 | jnz_ | hi |
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| 17:01.24 | dorshin | gkiagia,ok. |
| 17:01.30 | jnz_ | does debian minimal livecd supports wlan? |
| 17:01.51 | SoulChild | jnz_: there are many W-Lan but if you aks gerally: yes it does |
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| 17:02.17 | CrippsFX | if I have, say, 5 deb sources (aside from security, etc) that are running from mirrors across the country, will apt automagically pick the fastest one (at the time) to install a package or dependency when I run apt? |
| 17:02.21 | jnz_ | SoulChild, so i can install debian connecting to my ap |
| 17:02.35 | SoulChild | ap ? |
| 17:02.41 | CrippsFX | SoulChild, Access Point |
| 17:02.44 | jnz_ | access point |
| 17:02.46 | gkiagia | jnz_: it depends on the wlan chip that you have |
| 17:02.55 | jnz_ | gkiagia, so it's a driver problem |
| 17:03.00 | SoulChild | jnz_ iof your card is supported: yes |
| 17:03.16 | Ryushin | Okay, it appears that the 76 character limit is some smtp rfc spec. Is the a program like uudecode that will convert the e-mail back to it's original line breaks. |
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| 17:03.37 | jnz_ | intel pro wireless 3945 |
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| 17:03.56 | SoulChild | jnz_ No ,... |
| 17:04.05 | jnz_ | SoulChild, :) |
| 17:04.10 | faemir | rileyrg, 32bit debs don't work on 64bit afaik |
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| 17:04.22 | gkiagia | jnz_: this chip requires a non-free daemon and firmware that cannot be included in debian |
| 17:04.35 | zinx | gkiagia: that is a lie |
| 17:04.36 | SoulChild | jnz_: you have to download the firmware from the ipw website ,.. copy it to /lib/firmware ,.. restart,... and then your card should work |
| 17:04.44 | zinx | !ipw3945 |
| 17:04.44 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 17:05.01 | gkiagia | zinx: I mean they non-free section |
| 17:05.05 | CrippsFX | zinx, notice the "non-free" |
| 17:05.11 | zinx | non-free can be distributed by debian. |
| 17:05.14 | gkiagia | they are* |
| 17:05.15 | zinx | otherwise, debian would not be distributing it. |
| 17:05.16 | SoulChild | jnz_: it#s not included cause the source is not open and has a special lizence so it's not included by default |
| 17:05.19 | CrippsFX | zinx, not in the installer. |
| 17:05.27 | zinx | CrippsFX: excuse me? |
| 17:05.28 | jnz_ | understood |
| 17:05.44 | CrippsFX | zinx, using non-free software after install is up to the user. The Debian install is a Pure GNU/Linux distribution. |
| 17:05.46 | gkiagia | zinx: yes ok, I didn't say it right |
| 17:05.48 | zinx | CrippsFX: which installer is this that is unable to use the standard repositories? |
| 17:05.56 | CrippsFX | zinx, pre-connection |
| 17:06.09 | CrippsFX | zinx, the non-free firmware is required to make the connection |
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| 17:06.20 | zinx | CrippsFX: non-free doesn't mean it can't be distributed |
| 17:06.25 | CrippsFX | besides, the ipw firmware is contrib, is it not? |
| 17:06.33 | zinx | CrippsFX: non-free means it doesn't meet the DFSG |
| 17:06.36 | CrippsFX | yes. |
| 17:06.49 | zinx | CrippsFX: which means, generally, that you can't distribute *modified* versions of it |
| 17:06.58 | CrippsFX | yes. |
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| 17:07.25 | dorshin | how can i see the boot log of my debian? |
| 17:07.35 | JordiGH | There's a lot of contradictory information for WPA out there. Do you guys have a more definitive recommendation on how to get it working? |
| 17:07.37 | dorshin | how can i see the boot log of my debian? |
| 17:07.42 | JordiGH | dorshin: dmesg |
| 17:07.44 | gkiagia | dorshin: dmesg |
| 17:07.57 | JordiGH | One answer per question. |
| 17:08.03 | gkiagia | :) |
| 17:08.08 | zinx | JordiGH: get a card whose drivers have support for it, then use wpa_supplicant or one of the frontends like network-manager |
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| 17:08.49 | yang | I want to download the new version of ekiga phone for lenny. The original version is 2.0.3 but 2.0.9 has been entered to sid... |
| 17:08.58 | JordiGH | zinx: I didn't buy this laptop, so it's ipw22000.Gnome's network manager seemingly has options for WPA, but I don't know if they actually work. I don't have a wireless network handy. |
| 17:09.12 | dorshin | does it show the output when the system is booting? |
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| 17:09.26 | JordiGH | dorshin: Not exactly, but it shows all the important bits. |
| 17:09.26 | zinx | JordiGH: they work |
| 17:09.30 | techbee | !tell yang about simple sid backport |
| 17:09.32 | hark | dorshin: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 17:09.39 | zinx | JordiGH: basically it will ask you for a password when you try to connect to a WPA network |
| 17:10.04 | JordiGH | zinx: So if Gnome's network manager claims to have an option for WPA, then it's already there? No need to install wpasupplicant? |
| 17:10.10 | zinx | JordiGH: if it doesn't work, you either don't have enough signal, or the drivers are b0rked somehow |
| 17:10.44 | zinx | JordiGH: network-manager depends on wpa_supplicant, and starts it automatically with its own options :) |
| 17:10.46 | hark | JordiGH: it's a dependency |
| 17:11.16 | yang | techbee: do i need to keep sid src line together with my lenny src line? |
| 17:11.23 | JordiGH | hark: Oh. Right. It is installed. I guess that's that. |
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| 17:11.56 | JordiGH | So why does Debian not have a bug #1? |
| 17:12.34 | techbee | yang:no , you just need to add sid src line |
| 17:12.51 | SoulChild | How do i update udev ???? |
| 17:13.36 | wopwop | is there a way to take an existing debian system and select packages off it to install on another machine? Ie what you would do with windows: copy the exe files to the new machine and run them |
| 17:13.38 | yang | techbee: hmmm...and once the package is installed i can replace the sources.list line back to lenny line? |
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| 17:14.14 | techbee | yang:yes |
| 17:14.16 | thelostbutler | hello folks, where do i set permissions so that an application in user space is able to use port 53 . lsof -i4 doesn't show anything using port 53 . strace on the application showed this bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("10.46.104.98")}, 16) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) would appreciate some help. thank you |
| 17:14.32 | JordiGH | !debian clone |
| 17:14.32 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 17:14.43 | JordiGH | wopwop: ^^ |
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| 17:15.46 | JordiGH | Hm. 50004 seems to be the earliest Debian bug. |
| 17:16.05 | JordiGH | From November 1999. |
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| 17:16.26 | JordiGH | I guess they must have had a different BTS before that. |
| 17:16.31 | FromTO | question: I thought for some reasons that Debian people did not approve of firefox because of licensing issues and thus chose to name it iceweasel. How come in ps -x it is called firefox and I can only kill it using pkill if I call it firefox |
| 17:16.40 | wopwop | JordiGH? dpkg: ok but doesn't that mean downloading all the packages again? Isn't that just a way of copying the local setup? Im talking about a situation with dialup internet and I want to copy stuff to save bandwith |
| 17:16.57 | peterS | JordiGH: no, older bugs have just been closed. and archiving didn't exist at the very beginning |
| 17:17.11 | wopwop | to copy actual packages, not just a list of packages |
| 17:17.14 | JordiGH | FromTO: It's not that we don't approve of it. It's that Mozilla didn't let us use the name. |
| 17:17.20 | JordiGH | wopwop: Use apt-cacher, then. |
| 17:17.21 | JordiGH | !info apt-cacher |
| 17:17.25 | dpkg | apt-cacher: (caching proxy system for Debian package and source files), section net, is optional. Version: 1.5.4 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
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| 17:18.10 | JordiGH | FromTO: And eventually we should get rid of the "Firefox" names, but meh, it's not a high priority, I guess. Mozilla seems to be content with the current level of unbranding, and Iceweasel has a *lot* more pressing bugs right now. |
| 17:18.39 | FromTO | JordiGH: Thanks for clarifying this. |
| 17:18.42 | wopwop | dpkg:ok thanks I had played with that once before but i got the impression that Id still have to download the pkgs again thru the caching server then I could use them. Does it actually work with already downloaded pkgs too? |
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| 17:19.12 | techbee | !what are you |
| 17:19.12 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:19.54 | JordiGH | wopwop: Do you have a local network? apt-cacher works like a charm in that setup. One machine downloads, the ther machines just get the stuff from the local machine via the network. |
| 17:19.56 | damog | stew: congrats for tritium 0.3.1 |
| 17:20.12 | stew | damog: the real congrats are for 0.3.2, since 0.3.1 was missing stuff |
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| 17:20.30 | JordiGH | wopwop: If you have machines with identical hardware, you *may* be able to just copy one machine's /var/cache/apt/archives directory to the other and install the very same packages, but this is likely to break. |
| 17:20.37 | stew | i'm going to post an updated entry once i get off this dumb call |
| 17:20.46 | stew | damog: you in NYC yet? |
| 17:20.56 | damog | stew: yes! |
| 17:21.04 | stew | damog: welcome |
| 17:21.15 | damog | stew: thank you, :) |
| 17:21.40 | lodder | I'm reading alot about virtual users with postfix and I don't know if it suitable for me I have a small home server with 3 users and so 3 email accounts I now use procmail to deliver. What chose is the best virtual users or with procmail only 2 users are actualy using the server to login |
| 17:21.49 | wopwop | JordiGH: i have actually tried aptcacher in the past but again i thought you had to download the pkgs thru it for it to work. So it doesn't really take INSTALLED pkgs off an existing machine and copy them to anothe |
| 17:21.59 | wopwop | r machine |
| 17:22.30 | wopwop | my machines don't have identical hardware |
| 17:22.47 | JordiGH | wopwop: Ohe machine downloads, the other machines download from the first machine. That's what apt-cacher does. |
| 17:23.24 | JordiGH | wopwop: apt-cacher is for saving local bandwidth. For taking the same installed packages, do what dpkg told you to do. |
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| 17:23.58 | wopwop | JordiGH: doesn't that involve downloading them again? |
| 17:24.12 | thelostbutler | hello folks, where do i set permissions so that an application in user space is able to use port 53 . lsof -i4 doesn't show anything using port 53 . strace on the application showed this bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("10.46.104.98")}, 16) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) would appreciate some help. thank you |
| 17:24.40 | JordiGH | wopwop: If you combine apt-cacher with what dpkg told you, you only download once. Do you have a local ethernet network? |
| 17:24.41 | CalJohn | is it a bad idea to build things from source for debian (stuff that isn't already packaged?). are "make install" things easily removed later? |
| 17:24.42 | peterS | thelostbutler: why would an application need to bind to port 53? only a nameserver should need that |
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| 17:24.53 | peterS | thelostbutler: you can query a remote name server without binding local 53, you know |
| 17:25.14 | wopwop | JordiGH:yes |
| 17:25.18 | taime1 | whats the easiest way to change root's gnome theme? |
| 17:25.19 | JordiGH | CalJohn: "make install" usually installs stuff in places that violate Debian policy (i.e. /usr/local). |
| 17:25.26 | JordiGH | wopwop: Then combine apt-cacher with what dpkg told you to do. |
| 17:25.26 | macogw_ | CalJohn: just keep the source and "make uninstall" |
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| 17:25.36 | wopwop | JordiGH:thanks |
| 17:25.37 | JordiGH | !tell CalJohn about checkinstall |
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| 17:26.01 | macogw_ | JordiGH: /usr/local is standard for non-distro-packaged things though, isn't it? |
| 17:26.17 | CalJohn | JordiGH: checkinstall is broken, last time I checked (couple weeks back) |
| 17:26.33 | JordiGH | macogw_: I'm not sure it's standard-standard, but it's customary, yes. |
| 17:26.45 | `Vinz` | does anyone know how to use partman with preseed ? |
| 17:26.51 | peterS | it is better than, say, /opt |
| 17:26.52 | thelostbutler | peterS: it is some application that the developer wrote and needs to test. it is a local dns server they wanna run. it serves a very specific purpose hence trying to bind to port 53 |
| 17:26.58 | smacnay | Hi folks, what is the current version of 'beagle' in lenny? |
| 17:27.03 | peterS | thelostbutler: you want to be root, then |
| 17:27.05 | JordiGH | CalJohn: Then perhaps you'd like to make a quick dotdeb that you can install with dpkg. It really isn't hard to make a dotdeb that works just for your own machine. |
| 17:27.28 | macogw | wait....did te bot tell him or not? i didnt see it but it could be a PM... |
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| 17:27.48 | thelostbutler | peterS: oh, is there no way around it ? where would i find these security settings that prevent access to those ports in userspace |
| 17:27.51 | peterS | thelostbutler: that or install 'privbind', which is not in debian stable |
| 17:27.52 | JordiGH | CalJohn: Alternatively, you could completely bypass Debian's packaging system if you know what you're doing. |
| 17:27.53 | macogw | sudo checkinstall instead of sudo make install creates a deb for you that you can apt-get remove later |
| 17:27.57 | macogw | CalJohn: ^^ |
| 17:27.58 | JordiGH | smacnay: beagle isn't free software. |
| 17:28.22 | kspath | stew: will tritium allow for dockapps? |
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| 17:28.25 | smacnay | JordiGH: ah, I didn't realize. |
| 17:28.27 | Ronin | JordiGH: in non-free then? |
| 17:28.33 | macogw | hmm i wonder if debian will work properly on my computer now that the short circuit in the mobo is fixed... |
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| 17:29.19 | JordiGH | smacnay: Actually, wait. Is it free? Oh, wait, yes it is. I was confusing it with the Google desktop search thing. |
| 17:29.31 | CalJohn | JordiGH: I don't think installing this (minor) program will trash anything. If it does, this machine isn't that important, and i have backups |
| 17:29.33 | JordiGH | smacnay: It's in etch main. So it probably is in lenny too. |
| 17:29.51 | peterS | thelostbutler: well, or authbind, which I guess is in stable |
| 17:29.53 | JordiGH | !info beable |
| 17:29.57 | JordiGH | !info beagle |
| 17:29.59 | dpkg | beagle: (indexing and search tool for your personal data), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.17-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1164 kB, Installed size: 3792 kB |
| 17:30.08 | JordiGH | !info beagle lenny |
| 17:30.10 | wopwop | /dpkg aptitude clone? |
| 17:30.12 | dpkg | beagle: (indexing and search tool for your personal data), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.12-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1169 kB, Installed size: 3516 kB |
| 17:30.24 | CalJohn | JordiGH: i'll try checkinstall first |
| 17:30.30 | stew | kspath: i started workig on automatically placing dockapps and realized it was just easier to let you allocate a portion of a screen for a 'dock' and let you decide what is 'dockable' by giving you a chance to tag a window before i place it |
| 17:30.34 | peterS | JordiGH: install devscripts and use rmadison, that is faster than using a bot, and doesn't waste our screen space |
| 17:30.41 | stew | kspath: so now i'm using that to put a gnome-panel onto the bottom of my screen |
| 17:30.50 | JordiGH | peterS: That was for smacnay. |
| 17:31.25 | taime1 | whats the easiest way to change root's theme? |
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| 17:31.40 | JordiGH | taime1: Which theme? |
| 17:31.45 | JordiGH | root shouldn't have a theme. :-) |
| 17:31.46 | tommyq | Hello guys! My xserver crashes after I'm trying to start second xsession. 4 vesions of fglrx drivers, I don't know how many versions of X.org per half year |
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| 17:31.56 | taime1 | gnome theme JordiGH |
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| 17:32.13 | JordiGH | taime1: You *really* shouldn't use Gnome as root. |
| 17:32.18 | tommyq | This is my log but I see nothing > http://tommyq.okanet.org/Xorg.1.log |
| 17:32.20 | taime1 | JordiGH: i want to change it to clearlooks so its not so ugly when i use synaptic and so on |
| 17:32.25 | JordiGH | taime1: But at any rate, you change it the same way you change it for any other user. |
| 17:32.26 | thelostbutler | peterS: thanks for info. i appreciate it |
| 17:32.48 | z1pp3r | I have an application (quake4 server) that 1) Spawns multiple (3) processes, i've not been able to explain why since this is the only system that does this 2) Only one of the processes take up one of the cpu's power... why only one, even if its single-threaded? |
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| 17:33.49 | smcavoy | how can I make udev update permissions I've changed in /etc/udev/permissions.rules ? |
| 17:33.51 | JordiGH | taime1: Try running "gnome-theme-manager" as root. That should affect root's theme. |
| 17:33.55 | taime1 | JordiGH: isnt there a file in root's directory that i can just change the theme to 'clearlooks'? |
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| 17:35.00 | SoulChild | do also desktop PC'S use ACPI ? Or do only notbooks have it ??? |
| 17:35.06 | JordiGH | taime1: Yeah, the file is going to be somewhere in root's .gnome or .gconf or whatever directory. But running gnome-theme-manager as root should work. |
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| 17:35.39 | Scurz | hello |
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| 17:36.00 | tommyq | Any idea? |
| 17:36.03 | z1pp3r | Is there any way to have a look at the kernel config, if you've not compiled the kernel yourself? |
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| 17:36.08 | CalJohn | Scurz: they do use ACPI |
| 17:36.12 | taime1 | JordiGH: thanks, i think ill look for that file, as ive been told like a million times not to run x as root |
| 17:36.18 | JordiGH | Heh, #debian feels like bittorrent. I walk, leech some information to questions I have, and then I try to stay and seed help for others. :P |
| 17:36.21 | CalJohn | Scurz: sorry, meant to point at SoulChild |
| 17:36.26 | hark | taime1: .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:36.33 | taime1 | aha! |
| 17:36.35 | taime1 | thanks |
| 17:36.44 | JordiGH | taime1: Running X as root is a bad idea. Running one X app as root isn't so bad. You'll only be running one app (gnome-theme-manager) as root. |
| 17:36.45 | hark | smcavoy: man udevcontrol |
| 17:36.52 | Scurz | Strange, the -s option for iptables doesn't exist :/ http://paste.debian.net/37539 ideas ? |
| 17:36.54 | CalJohn | any command-line way to turn a text file into a rendered image? I'm wanting something like the GPL rendered with Bitstream Vera Sans as a 300dpi png... |
| 17:36.58 | Scurz | CalJohn: :) |
| 17:36.59 | JordiGH | taime1: It worked? |
| 17:37.00 | taime1 | JordiGH: oh yeah |
| 17:37.05 | JordiGH | taime1: Good. |
| 17:37.13 | taime1 | im going to do it now, thanks guys |
| 17:37.14 | tommyq | z1pp3r: And who's kernel is it? |
| 17:37.44 | JordiGH | CalJohn: Try imagemagick's convert command. I think it can convert to and from ASCII. |
| 17:37.48 | tommyq | z1pp3r: Do you mean debian kernel form kernel-package? |
| 17:37.48 | z1pp3r | tommyq, uhm, lets call him Mr. X. ? |
| 17:37.54 | SoulChild | CalJohn: but when i type "acpi -V" what is supposed to show me all ACPI things ,.. i get nothing ???? |
| 17:38.05 | z1pp3r | tommyq, not nessecarely debian specific, but yeah, something like that |
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| 17:38.18 | dorshin | is it normal to get KDE system up in more than 5 minutes? (with intel 1.86 sonoma and 1 gig ram) |
| 17:38.45 | macogw | dorshin: it's taking kde >5 minutes to startup? |
| 17:38.47 | JordiGH | dorshin: The first time it takes a while because it creates config files. It shouldn't be taking this long each time, though. |
| 17:38.57 | tommyq | z1pp3r: If the kernel is from deb kernel package, the configuration is backed up in /boot directory |
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| 17:39.04 | z1pp3r | tommyq, the thing is, i want to make sure SMP is enabled (are there any other multi-core/multi cpu settings i should be aware of?) since i for some reason cannot make my application utilize both cpu's, only one. |
| 17:39.11 | dorshin | macogw, yes it takes. |
| 17:39.11 | capiira | hmmm just upgraded to xorg 1.7.3 :) |
| 17:39.16 | z1pp3r | okay, thanks |
| 17:39.22 | capiira | little bit buggy but okay |
| 17:39.49 | tommyq | dorshin: Something waits for connection during start maybe |
| 17:40.16 | dorshin | cos of that i asked how can i see the boot logs. |
| 17:40.17 | capiira | resizing gnome windows works slides faster now |
| 17:40.37 | macogw | dorshin: is that full system boot time or just kde startup time? (either way, it seems too long) |
| 17:40.56 | dorshin | macogw, full |
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| 17:41.56 | macogw | you can use bootchart to get a chart of when each process starts and how long it runs |
| 17:42.48 | thechef | any chance to get something newer than beryl (discontinued) to work on debian etch? -> compositing manager + settings/config manager |
| 17:43.27 | JordiGH | thechef: Beryl works fine. It's actually made for etch. Why would you want newer and buggier software? |
| 17:43.51 | thechef | mmh, where can i get updates for beryl then? |
| 17:44.01 | thechef | stability fixes etc |
| 17:44.08 | macogw | i tried using beryl on etch and it didn't work |
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| 17:44.19 | macogw | could just be more of the "etch hates me" though |
| 17:44.20 | tommyq | Beryl isn't actaully software now I think |
| 17:44.21 | JordiGH | thechef: I don't think anyone is working on stability fixes for etch. |
| 17:44.30 | tommyq | Compiz Fusion |
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| 17:44.47 | thechef | the problem is that beryl isn't stable |
| 17:44.53 | JordiGH | It isn't? |
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| 17:45.05 | jelly | thechef: more correctly, beryl just isn't ;-) |
| 17:45.46 | JordiGH | The beryl packages for etch don't work? I have them installed in nine workstations to the delight of the numerical analysis students. :-) |
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| 17:46.30 | jelly | JordiGH: if he's going to get shiny doodads for the desktop, he might as well not use the obsolete branch |
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| 17:46.54 | jelly | JordiGH: compiz fusion is where development goes on |
| 17:46.56 | JordiGH | jelly: What obsolete branch? etch? |
| 17:47.01 | jelly | JordiGH: beryl |
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| 17:47.12 | JordiGH | jelly: but beryl was *made* to work with etch. |
| 17:47.44 | thechef | here beryl just has too many bugs (For example eclipse qtjambi qt designer doesn't work very well if compositing is activated and i guess that some problems could be solved in newer versions) |
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| 17:47.56 | jelly | JordiGH: no, it was packaged to work with etch |
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| 17:48.26 | JordiGH | I use qtdesigner with Beryl. Maybe it's an nvidia blob thing. |
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| 17:48.39 | JordiGH | Everything can be blamed on the nvidia blob. :-) |
| 17:49.10 | thechef | I don't like to blame nvidia :) |
| 17:49.15 | JordiGH | The Compiz devs hate the blob too. |
| 17:49.20 | thechef | they're stuff is impressive :) |
| 17:49.23 | thechef | *their |
| 17:49.23 | JordiGH | At least it seems so here in Freenode. |
| 17:49.34 | JordiGH | thechef: Their blob is teh suck. |
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| 17:49.56 | JordiGH | thechef: So you are using the blob, then. I'd be quicker to blame that than Beryl. |
| 17:50.08 | Trewas | yet nvidia's binary driver is the only one which works fine with compiz fusion (or aiglx to be exact) |
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| 17:50.31 | JordiGH | Trewas: If you use nvidia cards, yes. I have been using the free radeon and intel drivers with Beryl and they work fine. |
| 17:51.02 | thechef | nvidia just has the best composite thing, i don't think other hardware/drivers could satisfy my -ility-requirements |
| 17:51.19 | Trewas | intel driver does not work fine with xvideo or windowed opengl, which afaik are fine with nvidia |
| 17:51.24 | JordiGH | thechef: Clearly, you haven't seen my lab with nine radeon cards with free drivers and beryl in action. |
| 17:51.43 | thechef | no, and i don't want a lab |
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| 17:52.20 | thechef | And I'm not going to believe that anything from ati has better performance/cost |
| 17:52.35 | roxy_ | atm, I am tunneling(ssh -L) X to access gui aplication. It is painfully slow. Would vnc be faster ? |
| 17:52.36 | unlink | i turned on my computer and it suddenly started to look like this: http://trevor.caira.com/hmm.png (no icons, weird window borders, crippled keyboard shortcuts) |
| 17:52.40 | JordiGH | thechef: Suit yourself, then. Use nvidia and see how Beryl doesn't work. |
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| 17:52.47 | unlink | alt tab doesn't work, but alt-f4 does |
| 17:52.57 | JordiGH | thechef: Honestly, I doubt compiz fusion will be better with nvidia. |
| 17:53.12 | thechef | look, i already tested ati and beryl and beryl had the same problems but more problems too |
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| 17:53.34 | JordiGH | thechef: Where you using fglrx or the free radeon drivers? |
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| 17:54.09 | thechef | fglrx |
| 17:54.14 | JordiGH | thechef: I rest my case. |
| 17:54.22 | xingu | yarr, me beer is fine this evenin' |
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| 17:54.43 | JordiGH | xingu: ye scurvy dog, hand ye over the grog! |
| 17:54.43 | thechef | do the free drivers have better performance than fglrx on the newest ati-hardware? |
| 17:55.04 | Eulex | thechef, no |
| 17:55.12 | JordiGH | thechef: Not the newest one, no, not yet, but since ATI has released specs, we can expect free drivers for all of its hardware soon, I imagine. |
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| 17:56.07 | unlink | why would my computer suddenly change like that? |
| 17:56.23 | xingu | unlink: e-puberty? |
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| 17:56.47 | unlink | xingu: so how do i castrate it? |
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| 18:00.19 | thechef | so anyone has an idea how i could find the reason for the problems i currently have with beryl (Qt Designer hanging, unable to edit Button Text, Qt Dropdown Menus don't work) , or which other composite managers still receives updates, has a settings manager and works on etch. |
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| 18:00.57 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian |
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| 18:02.22 | infinity0 | why does debian report 11MB free on this USB disk whilst windows reports 700MB free? :/ |
| 18:02.25 | infinity0 | total size is 4GB |
| 18:02.31 | kspath | beryl merging with compiz anyways |
| 18:02.36 | abrotman | already has |
| 18:03.20 | kspath | abrotman: just pointing out to whomever that beryl will just be a footnote of history at some point in the near future |
| 18:03.27 | abrotman | it already is |
| 18:03.41 | thechef | but there is nothing newer than beryl i get to work on etch |
| 18:03.48 | Trewas | thechef: if you want shiny new shit like beryl, you might as well go for testing which has compiz which may work better as it is getting regular updates |
| 18:03.51 | smcavoy | hark: thanks |
| 18:03.55 | wols | according to you you don't get it to work in etch |
| 18:05.55 | `Vinz` | Does someone know something about this : http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2007/09/msg00537.html ? |
| 18:06.40 | thechef | I depend on etch, all i wan't is a desktop-cube (the cube is something i can't think away, so not having it would cause a small usabilility-problem) and settings manager to switch the effects off |
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| 18:07.57 | zamuro | !gpg-keys |
| 18:08.04 | zamuro | !gpg |
| 18:08.04 | dpkg | i guess gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 18:08.14 | Trewas | thechef: depending on pre-alpha software like beryl may sometimes cause problems :) |
| 18:08.32 | thechef | It's just Qt Designer and Qt Dropdown Menus, the rest is awesome. |
| 18:08.43 | abrotman | thechef: beryl still isn't in debian .. maybe ask #compiz-fusion |
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| 18:09.10 | Iradigalesc | Hi! I'm on debian testing and when I run gcc «file.cpp» I ge «/tmp/ccmCNCAX.o:(.eh_frame+0x11): undefined reference to `__gxx_personality_v0'»... I think the file is good; it has a very simple code only for testing... |
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| 18:10.25 | mirak | is there a way to tell grub to reboot on the OS of your choice ? |
| 18:10.27 | wols | !tell Iradigalesc about b-e |
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| 18:10.28 | xingu | Iradigalesc: and if you use g++ file.cpp ? |
| 18:10.31 | wols | mirak: yes |
| 18:10.39 | mirak | wols: how ? |
| 18:10.48 | wols | mirak: edit menu.lst |
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| 18:11.14 | JordiGH2 | Any suggestions on where to contact a Polish speaker? |
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| 18:11.21 | mirak | wols: that's funny |
| 18:11.29 | mirak | wols: I don't want something permanent |
| 18:11.47 | mirak | just a way so when it reboots on what I want |
| 18:11.54 | wols | what do you want then? automatic start of the OS started last time? |
| 18:11.58 | thechef | and on a another non-productive-computer i'm going to test the free ati drivers, because i just don't believe JordiGH2 :) |
| 18:11.59 | wols | that's why you edit menu.lst |
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| 18:12.22 | wols | mirak: if you don't believe me: your choice. have a nice day |
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| 18:12.49 | xingu | mirak: man grub-reboot |
| 18:13.01 | mirak | wols: it's not the question, it's not what I want what you suggest |
| 18:13.06 | mirak | xingu: thanks |
| 18:13.13 | abrotman | thechef: what is your video card ? |
| 18:13.29 | wols | mirak: you are mistaken |
| 18:13.33 | thechef | nvidia 7900 GTX |
| 18:13.54 | abrotman | nvidia uses aiglx which beryl can't use IIRC |
| 18:13.57 | mirak | wols: so explain |
| 18:14.01 | wols | if you edit it properlly, grub will have highlighted the kernel pf your choice and then will, after the timeout expires if ther ies any, boot it |
| 18:14.06 | zinx | abrotman: erh? what? |
| 18:14.07 | thechef | beryl can't use? |
| 18:14.15 | zinx | abrotman: your are mistaken, my good man |
| 18:14.18 | zinx | erh, you |
| 18:14.20 | abrotman | zinx: oh yeah .. backwards :) |
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| 18:14.35 | abrotman | ati does xgl .. nvidia does aiglx ? .. i can't f'in remember |
| 18:14.40 | mirak | wols: if I reboot without changing that file, it always boot on this , I don't want that |
| 18:14.42 | abrotman | fucking bastard companies and their closed drivers |
| 18:14.43 | faemir | can someone tell me where the flash plugin for iceweasel is? |
| 18:14.50 | zinx | abrotman: nvidia does both, ati only does xgl |
| 18:14.52 | abrotman | !tell faemir about flash |
| 18:15.01 | zinx | abrotman: if you have aiglx, there's generally no reason you'd want to use xgl :/ |
| 18:15.01 | abrotman | zinx: nvidia didn't used to ? |
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| 18:15.21 | faemir | abrotman, let me rephrase that, where it is to remove it |
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| 18:15.32 | wols | faemir: man apt-get |
| 18:15.35 | xingu | abrotman: nb: xorg7.2+ implement aiglx in sw for all comers |
| 18:15.40 | abrotman | faemir: likely /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ .. depends how you installed it |
| 18:15.41 | zinx | abrotman: xgl is just a layer between the server and clients to implement the functionality |
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| 18:15.46 | xingu | abrotman: including nvidia if you're not careful. |
| 18:15.54 | abrotman | that's it .. X sucks... i'm going back to fresco |
| 18:16.03 | faemir | I just used the plugin finder, so I dunno what that method actually does =[ |
| 18:16.07 | pickcoder | faemir: updatedb && locate flash |
| 18:16.12 | thechef | mmh, whatever aiglx, xgl, all i need is composite on everything, both opengl apps, wined3d, normal windows |
| 18:16.15 | abrotman | or is it berlin now ? |
| 18:16.23 | xingu | aah, vienna |
| 18:16.27 | zinx | abrotman: all those projects died :/ |
| 18:16.30 | abrotman | oh .. it is fresco |
| 18:16.42 | abrotman | zinx: a shame ... |
| 18:16.45 | troubled | pickcoder: easy there tiger. updatedb manually isnt good |
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| 18:17.00 | wols | abrotman: we could all wait for X12. or gnustep... |
| 18:17.13 | abrotman | oh yay .. gnustep |
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| 18:17.29 | faemir | troubled, so i do what? |
| 18:17.47 | wols | xingu: why would I want DOS software? |
| 18:17.59 | rileyrg | I have installed picasa2 in debian etch. But it can't access the net. Is there anything I can do to configure it to do so? |
| 18:18.11 | troubled | faemir: try locate first unless you just added something in last 24hrs. if so then manually run /etc/cron.daily/find |
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| 18:18.17 | wols | rileyrg: picasa is not in debian. ask google |
| 18:18.24 | xingu | wols: lightweight UI's :) |
| 18:18.50 | rileyrg | wols: no apps are "in debian". But here is where debian users are that use such apps. |
| 18:18.57 | troubled | faemir: updatedb without options as root also includes root's files and stuff normally not included. probably minor, but this is an attack vector older that you ;) |
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| 18:19.00 | wols | xingu: sidekick is/was a borland DOS based TSR program. a calendar/PIM kinda thing IIRC: text mode based |
| 18:19.02 | mirak | wols: maybe you can tel the solution |
| 18:19.15 | xingu | wols: yes, but it was lightweight |
| 18:19.30 | wols | mirak: I can't. all I can suggest is a "fallback" option. look int the grub manual |
| 18:19.47 | mirak | ok |
| 18:19.51 | wols | xingu: then we already have the solution. ncurses ftw! |
| 18:20.09 | troubled | wols: zomg! sidekick! :) |
| 18:20.19 | faemir | ok, would /usr/share/mime/application/x-flash-video.xml be it? |
| 18:20.36 | faemir | as that's it, apart from a bunch of icons |
| 18:21.29 | wols | faemir: it's a .so somewhere. in a plugins directory |
| 18:21.35 | faemir | i thought it was |
| 18:21.38 | faemir | no go then =[ |
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| 18:22.08 | wols | faemir: how did you install flash? via a deb? |
| 18:22.10 | Iradigalesc | xingu: Yes; thanks! |
| 18:22.14 | Iradigalesc | :) |
| 18:22.28 | faemir | I went to youtube then the iceweasel plugin finder thing did it >_> |
| 18:22.40 | faemir | I found a .so, but it's in an openoffice folder XD |
| 18:22.46 | spajdi | Can I install debian from netinstall cd using ppp and Sagem Fast 800 modem? |
| 18:22.58 | abrotman | is it a winmodem ? |
| 18:23.12 | spajdi | winmodem? |
| 18:23.13 | wols | spajdi: do you use ethernet or usb to connect to the modem? |
| 18:23.19 | spajdi | usb connect |
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| 18:23.32 | wols | then it probably won't work |
| 18:23.47 | faemir | I think someone needs to set a script up so that when someone says winmodem they automatically say 'ew' =] |
| 18:23.59 | wols | spajdi: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/143.html |
| 18:24.11 | wols | so: no to your question but it apparently can work under linux |
| 18:24.15 | simonrvn | faemir: ew |
| 18:24.19 | simonrvn | :P |
| 18:24.23 | faemir | haha |
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| 18:25.17 | spajdi | wols: yep, i know, i'm on ArchLinux right now ;) |
| 18:25.20 | faemir | Also, how do I know if iceweasel is using gnash or the adobe plugin? :| |
| 18:25.32 | wols | faemir: about:plugins? |
| 18:26.00 | faemir | wols, <3 |
| 18:26.03 | gkiagia | faemir: it's obvious if you enter youtube and you use gnash ;) |
| 18:26.08 | abrotman | things don't work vs thinks work even less ? |
| 18:26.18 | abrotman | s/thinks/things/ |
| 18:26.26 | simonrvn | "you do not have a flash plugin installed" BS |
| 18:26.42 | spajdi | shit, 700mb cd is a must :( |
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| 18:26.49 | faemir | I thought the latest gnash worked with youtube? :| |
| 18:27.07 | simonrvn | i'm just assuming based on the last time i tried =) |
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| 18:27.19 | gkiagia | faemir: it does but it sure has many glitches |
| 18:27.28 | faemir | ... like? |
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| 18:27.59 | spajdi | Can i choose a packages in install from normall 700mb cd? |
| 18:28.07 | faemir | iceape navigator? is that what I think it is? |
| 18:28.21 | simonrvn | if the cd is listed as a source, of course |
| 18:28.51 | xingu | ooh err |
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| 18:28.55 | xingu | new nvidia upstream. |
| 18:29.03 | simonrvn | hm, DND paid a visit to my site earlier. i wonder what *they* want... |
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| 18:29.14 | gkiagia | faemir: for example the banner with the "videos watched right now" on the main page shows pink previews of the videos |
| 18:29.19 | xingu | simonrvn: donkeyporn, same as all the others |
| 18:29.23 | spajdi | ok, i must download 700mb, a must... shit. |
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| 18:29.26 | spajdi | thx, bye |
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| 18:29.34 | simonrvn | xingu: google search referer |
| 18:29.42 | wols | spajdi: if you install from the 700MB cd it will be set up for you automatically so apt fetches stuff from there |
| 18:29.43 | faemir | gkiagia, so you suggest that I should stick with the adobe plugin? |
| 18:29.44 | simonrvn | xingu: heheh donkey porn |
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| 18:30.09 | spajdi | wols: Couldn't i choose the packages? |
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| 18:30.36 | gkiagia | faemir: I don't want to suggest anything, but personally, I stick with the adobe plugin |
| 18:30.48 | faemir | ok |
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| 18:31.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: couldn't you just blacklist the gov't ? :) |
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| 18:32.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: i could, but then they'd know i was on to them :P |
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| 18:33.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: i think they already know |
| 18:33.37 | simonrvn | probably ;) |
| 18:33.48 | abrotman | echelon ? :) |
| 18:34.24 | simonrvn | no, this is *DND* dept. of nat'l defense we're talking about. they still have a coupla cans and string |
| 18:34.28 | faemir | !java |
| 18:34.28 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 18:34.46 | faemir | !installjava |
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| 18:34.55 | faemir | !install java |
| 18:34.55 | dpkg | install java is probably First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/lenny/sid. |
| 18:34.58 | simonrvn | !tell faemir -about msg the bot |
| 18:35.22 | faemir | ah, whoops. |
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| 18:37.01 | th0ger | Hi. How can i scroll inside the gnu screen command? |
| 18:37.27 | mmInd | I'm making a little installer, what's the best way to modify a text file so that info can be removed in the uninstall? I was thinking using sed with a "unique" line above it. |
| 18:37.46 | simonrvn | ctrl-a esc |
| 18:38.04 | simonrvn | then pgup/down |
| 18:38.50 | dalias | ctrl-a [ will respond faster |
| 18:38.53 | dalias | and is easier to type |
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| 18:39.04 | xingu | mmInd: take a context diff pre/post change? |
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| 18:39.35 | simonrvn | that's 'copy' in my setup here (default keys) |
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| 18:39.59 | mmInd | xingu: context diff? |
| 18:40.02 | kspath1 | boo? |
| 18:40.15 | th0ger | [ is not easier than esc on a danish keyboard |
| 18:40.15 | xingu | mmInd: diff -u somefile somefile.dpkg-orig |
| 18:40.27 | kspath_ | exit |
| 18:40.33 | JordiGH | Speaking of which, how is the Java liberation schedule coming along? When is it going to go into main? |
| 18:40.34 | xingu | mmInd: feed the result into patch on uninstall. |
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| 18:40.43 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask Sun .. not us |
| 18:40.44 | thechef | i have an ati radeon X1300 (older card probably) on a experimental computer, is it supported by the free ati driver? Is the driver i need included in the linux-image-2.6.22* or do i have to use a newer driver? |
| 18:40.56 | mmInd | sweet, I'll give it a try. Thanks |
| 18:40.57 | GuHhH | i need some help... im trying to remove some packages with dpkg --purge, but it says it has dependencies... --force do not solves the problem |
| 18:41.05 | abrotman | thechef: no |
| 18:41.08 | th0ger | simonrvn, dalias : is it possibly to bind pgup/down to scroll the screen automatically? |
| 18:41.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: But the parts that Sun has liberated, are those already in main? |
| 18:41.20 | abrotman | thechef: man radeon |
| 18:41.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: why? |
| 18:41.34 | thechef | thanks abrotman |
| 18:41.36 | abrotman | here .. here's half of java .. see where that gets you |
| 18:41.37 | faemir | can someone tell me what the time frame of an update of something working it's way into testing from unstable? |
| 18:41.40 | simonrvn | th0ger: you can, but i wouldn't do that |
| 18:41.42 | dalias | th0ger, that would be a very bad idea. you want to have them available to programs. and afaik it's not possible |
| 18:41.46 | abrotman | faemir: 2-10 days .. depending |
| 18:41.53 | abrotman | (and no RC bugs) |
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| 18:42.29 | abrotman | faemir: and also all the dependencies have to go also |
| 18:42.29 | faemir | so there is not much difference in versions then? |
| 18:42.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: It may get Processing working with free software. :-/ Who knows. We could try it. |
| 18:42.39 | abrotman | faemir: for some things there are |
| 18:42.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: go ahead .. have a field day |
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| 18:43.00 | faemir | I'm just wondering whether it's worth it. While I was on sidux things seemed... stable enough |
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| 18:43.21 | StylusEater_Work | how would I mount an iso for writing to? when I mount -o loop -t iso9660 -w /iso/to/mount /mountpoint it's not writable |
| 18:43.32 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 18:43.32 | dpkg | i guess mount iso is mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso |
| 18:43.33 | th0ger | simonrvn, dalias : but shift-pgup/down are bound to scroll in my ordinary xterms... |
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| 18:44.33 | StylusEater_Work | abrotman: sure that will mount it read only |
| 18:44.35 | xand | StylusEater_Work: you don't write to iso files |
| 18:44.51 | StylusEater_Work | xand: so I have to copy the contents off and remake the iso? |
| 18:44.56 | xand | uhuh |
| 18:45.00 | StylusEater_Work | poop |
| 18:45.03 | StylusEater_Work | thx |
| 18:45.15 | dalias | th0ger, yes, because shift+cursor key is not distinct from plain cursor keys in a terminal anyway, xterm and the like take the opportunity to use shift+pgup/dn for their own use |
| 18:45.34 | dalias | however screen will never see this since key being pressed |
| 18:45.39 | dalias | xterm just processes it |
| 18:45.53 | simonrvn | th0ger: and? |
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| 18:47.04 | th0ger | simonrvn: and i would like screen to behave as an ordinary terminal (except for window commands etc) |
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| 18:47.18 | lrp | hey there |
| 18:47.50 | simonrvn | th0ger: and? |
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| 18:48.15 | abrotman | it can't |
| 18:48.17 | lrp | any ideas about install kickcam logitech webcam ? |
| 18:48.18 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
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| 18:48.41 | lrp | im compiling but at the some point of the compilation he just stay there doing nothing |
| 18:48.59 | abrotman | how long did you wait ? |
| 18:48.59 | xand | who does? |
| 18:49.15 | th0ger | simonrvn: and shift+pgud/dn does not scroll (not does my mouse scroll) |
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| 18:49.31 | simonrvn | th0ger: scroll what? |
| 18:49.49 | qmr | I have a SATA disk with / and /home, and a PATA disk that is /home/shared (music, movies, backups). would my desktop be quicker if I put my swapspace on the PATA disk? |
| 18:49.54 | th0ger | simonrvn: the lines in my terminal |
| 18:50.00 | simonrvn | !tell th0ger -about ask |
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| 18:50.30 | simonrvn | th0ger: CONTEXT. in screen, xterm, what? talk to me |
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| 18:50.59 | m4lu5 | anyone versed in qemu? |
| 18:51.09 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:51.16 | pickcoder | qmr: probably not. get some disk stats and see which drive is faster. if you are swapping a lot, consider more RAM |
| 18:51.19 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:51.24 | m4lu5 | i'm just now digging in my heels with it, having issue w/qemu,kqemu (sid), want to bounce some questions if anyone has knowledge. |
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| 18:52.08 | th0ger | simonrvn: I want to bind shift+pgup/dn in screen to scroll the lines. What more can i say??? |
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| 18:52.14 | qmr | pickcoder: well the sata is almost certainly going to be faster. but I was wondering if it would be good at all to have the swap on a separate physical disk |
| 18:52.35 | abrotman | qmr: depends how much you plan on using it . wouldn't you think ? |
| 18:52.36 | pickcoder | qmr: look at the disk stats from iostat and see which one is more active |
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| 18:52.47 | pickcoder | hdparm -tT /dev/sda |
| 18:52.53 | pickcoder | will show you buffer and cache stats |
| 18:53.00 | xingu | qmr: it's best not to swap at all; IO speeds are an eternity compared to dram, and DRAM is as slow as all hell. |
| 18:53.00 | abrotman | vmstat .. are you even swapping ? |
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| 18:53.08 | simonrvn | th0ger: so go do it. |
| 18:53.23 | abrotman | m4lu5: just ask .. many people usei t |
| 18:53.24 | qmr | xingu: uhm, DRAM is slow? what do you think is fast then? :p |
| 18:53.33 | xingu | qmr: register file aliases. |
| 18:53.33 | pickcoder | SRAM |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | light .. i think light is fast ... |
| 18:53.58 | pickcoder | light is overrated |
| 18:54.12 | xingu | light has its own problems |
| 18:54.14 | Gathond | abrotman: naah they have light down at very low speeds now:) |
| 18:54.19 | pickcoder | darkness is much better since it doesn't require light |
| 18:54.27 | xingu | like regulating phase between source and sink |
| 18:54.28 | qmr | I'm just annoyed that linux is so frikkin slow compared to my windows xp system. I'm wondering if throwing ram at the machine will fix it or if I should just build a new box. (or, install a super old linux version) |
| 18:54.34 | th0ger | !tell simonrvn about answer ("so go do it" is not very helpful) |
| 18:54.44 | Gathond | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4474.html all the way down to 0 actually |
| 18:55.22 | th0ger | simonrvn: never mind. |
| 18:55.28 | pickcoder | qmr: Linux isn't slow... your desktop environment is eating up memory and CPU |
| 18:55.35 | pickcoder | fluxbox is hardly slow |
| 18:55.46 | simonrvn | th0ger: you want me to tell you how to do it? i won't, go find out. i have no use for that. screen you can bind keys, so it's easy. |
| 18:55.48 | m4lu5 | abrotman, ok, then, here goes: qemu -kernel-kqemu causes guest OS to panic w/~"kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 18:56.03 | hark | it's iceweasel! |
| 18:56.05 | m4lu5 | without the -kernel-kqemu, no such panic, but also performance is awful. |
| 18:56.13 | m4lu5 | (as would be expected sans-accel) |
| 18:56.15 | pickcoder | yeah firefox/iceweasel is a beast |
| 18:56.40 | simonrvn | th0ger: ~/.screenrc; cp it from /etc/ as a base |
| 18:56.44 | m4lu5 | I've read through some bug reports at bugs.deb, but haven't been able to determine a current status as pertains to sid/i386 |
| 18:56.48 | Gathond | naah, it only eats up 160 MB here, for 3 tabs:) |
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| 18:57.02 | qmr | pickcoder: Firefox is painfully slow. windows version is faster. ff-preloader would be nice on linux |
| 18:57.11 | lrp | any ideas |
| 18:57.15 | pickcoder | that's FF's fault.. not Linux |
| 18:57.18 | lrp | any ideas about why |
| 18:57.19 | Gathond | then again this is just VIRT, so its probably groosly inflated |
| 18:57.22 | faemir | use epiphany instead then |
| 18:57.26 | qmr | pickcoder: I've thought of using like openbox or something. I'd probably be more productive, since it's more difficult to have a lot of random windows open with it .. |
| 18:57.28 | abrotman | m4lu5: ack .. not me! |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | m4lu5: also note there's a #qemu :) |
| 18:57.36 | Gathond | would preloading not only matter on startup time? |
| 18:57.37 | pickcoder | epiphany or konq |
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| 18:57.41 | abrotman | m4lu5: i use it .. but my needs are simple |
| 18:57.47 | faemir | heh, I love installing epiphany instead of epiphany-browser XD |
| 18:57.50 | abrotman | m4lu5: what is the guest OS ? |
| 18:57.54 | m4lu5 | debian |
| 18:57.54 | qmr | Gathond: it's a windows program that keeps FF in the systray when it's closed |
| 18:57.55 | binfalse | good |
| 18:57.56 | troubled | simonrvn: when you login via (g|x|k)dm, does it fork and run as the user? or is the X session all root? |
| 18:57.57 | lontra | my local time is 13:56 but everytime i reboot the clock will turn back to 08:56 (for example). how can i make my clock display the correct time? i have tried changing it in kde with no luck |
| 18:58.06 | m4lu5 | it's a vanilla install I created this morning |
| 18:58.10 | qmr | pickcoder: do you use fluxbox? |
| 18:58.13 | lrp | anyone here have installed logitech usb webcam ????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 18:58.18 | pickcoder | I've used it before |
| 18:58.20 | abrotman | m4lu5: did you install kqemu-source at all ? |
| 18:58.23 | pickcoder | not extensively |
| 18:58.23 | troubled | .me slaps lrp |
| 18:58.27 | Ronin | lrp: problems with your keyboard? |
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| 18:58.28 | qmr | !punctuation |
| 18:58.28 | troubled | lrp: ^^^^ |
| 18:58.35 | abrotman | !ep |
| 18:58.35 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 18:58.36 | stew | lrp: if you have a real question, just ask it, and please leave off the extra punctuation |
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| 18:58.39 | flashbooster | hello |
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| 18:58.41 | flashbooster | http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98 |
| 18:58.46 | m4lu5 | abrotman yeah, and m-a a-i went swimmingly. kqemu.ko is sittin' in mods list. no issues. |
| 18:58.48 | flashbooster | please vote debian |
| 18:58.54 | simonrvn | troubled: root 15 0 57900 10m 46m 0.7 4.2 28:45.44 R XXXXX XXXXX /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 vt7 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -noli |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | m4lu5: so it is loaded ? |
| 18:58.58 | lrp | stew my friend 5 minutes ago i made the question but no1 answered |
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| 18:59.08 | m4lu5 | abrotman the mod is, yeah. |
| 18:59.14 | qmr | pickcoder: what do you use for desktop? |
| 18:59.14 | m4lu5 | device is present in /dev/ |
| 18:59.17 | abrotman | m4lu5: and if you run it without the -kernel-kqemu ? |
| 18:59.21 | pickcoder | KDE mostly |
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| 18:59.26 | xingu | qmr: firefox runs like greased lightening here; what hardware are we talking about? |
| 18:59.29 | abrotman | besdies being slow :) |
| 18:59.32 | pickcoder | if I _have_ to have one |
| 18:59.36 | pickcoder | I prefer console |
| 18:59.39 | m4lu5 | abrotman my image loads. i can use it. all is well, 'cept for the 99% CPU utilization ;) |
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| 18:59.47 | abrotman | minor problem |
| 18:59.48 | troubled | simonrvn: thanks. someone having google earth 32bit crash X on his 64bit box. just wondering. thinking vid driver since non root app shouldnt be able to crash X. not sure about the display manager though |
| 18:59.49 | stew | lrp: what is the question? |
| 18:59.51 | m4lu5 | ha |
| 19:00.07 | pickcoder | I don't normally run a desktop manager. I load X when I need it. |
| 19:00.14 | abrotman | m4lu5: what eare the perms on /dev/kqmeu ? |
| 19:00.16 | pickcoder | GUI logins slow me down |
| 19:00.18 | qmr | xingu: p4 3ghz 512m ddr2 |
| 19:00.25 | lrp | stew about how to install logitech usb webcam , i am compiling the driver but he is tuck in there doing nothing |
| 19:00.27 | m4lu5 | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 62 2007-09-19 13:55 /dev/kqemu |
| 19:00.39 | thechef | the security leak in qt isn't fixed yet? |
| 19:00.42 | abrotman | well .. my major/minor is different .. but wahtever |
| 19:00.44 | stew | lrp: you are having trouble compiling? or did it compile? |
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| 19:00.51 | qmr | abrotman: I've been using kde last week or so.. does some things better than gnome, but some things are just frikkin stupid |
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| 19:00.53 | simonrvn | started using gdm just because when i login i login on console, then start x up |
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| 19:01.04 | lrp | stew now i show you the pastebin url |
| 19:01.11 | m4lu5 | abrotman so you do or do not use -kernel-kqemu switch on your vm(s)? |
| 19:01.21 | xingu | qmr: aah; yes, wm+firefox will eat about that; 237m res/ 649m virt here for ex. |
| 19:01.22 | abrotman | no .. but it does use kqemu i believe |
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| 19:01.26 | qmr | abrotman: of note, konqueror is pretty awesome for file management stuff. loads my homedir in ~1s warm, ~3s cold. nautilus is like ~4s warm, ~15s cold |
| 19:01.33 | abrotman | qmr: you're telling the wrong person |
| 19:01.55 | abrotman | qmr: i'd rather use a C64 than kde |
| 19:01.55 | m4lu5 | abrotman what breed kernel do your vm's use? |
| 19:01.58 | m4lu5 | 686? 486? smp? |
| 19:02.05 | abrotman | m4lu5: windows? :) |
| 19:02.15 | abrotman | at least here int eh office |
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| 19:02.23 | lrp | stew there is http://pastebin.com/m71b9cb62 since 30 minutes he is there doing nothing |
| 19:02.33 | xingu | qmr: you may not be aware, but firefox implements a per-tab cache to hold *rendered* page contents; and it stores the full back/forward history for that tab... |
| 19:02.41 | lrp | take a look |
| 19:02.44 | faemir | people are insisting to me on the sidux channel that gnome doesn't sit well with sid, is this true? |
| 19:02.48 | xingu | qmr: which can obviously chew a few KB or so. |
| 19:02.57 | m4lu5 | DOH |
| 19:03.07 | simonrvn | faemir: eh? |
| 19:03.08 | qmr | xingu: Is it wrong that I find that totally ass backwards? I shouldn't need a Cray to run a web browser! XP on a PIII with 256m is faster desktop than P4 w 512m ram |
| 19:03.11 | maxamillion | i am having trouble getting kerberos working .... and for some reason i am constantly asked for my password twice |
| 19:03.11 | abrotman | faemir: uhm .. maybe you hsould just try it and see .. tons of people use it .. or ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:03.13 | m4lu5 | perhaps i'll mosey on over to the #qemu channel ;) |
| 19:03.13 | xingu | qmr: what spec XP system are yo comparing it to? |
| 19:03.16 | maxamillion | any thoughts? |
| 19:03.16 | qmr | xingu: yea, I know it has a large ram cache by default |
| 19:03.21 | stew | lrp: what is kcc ? |
| 19:03.28 | abrotman | m4lu5: i mean .. if you want .. i could install a debian image quick ... |
| 19:03.40 | lrp | stew like gcc compiler |
| 19:03.42 | qmr | xingu: well, my laptop with a tiny 1.5gb xp partition is a p-m 1.5ghz 512m ddr1 |
| 19:03.42 | xingu | qmr: start by benchmarking your IO; also use the cfq ioscheduler if you're not already. |
| 19:03.44 | simonrvn | faemir: simon 15 0 34608 3848 30m 0.0 1.5 0:02.37 S XXXXX XXXX gnome-session |
| 19:03.44 | m4lu5 | abrotman if you've got the time (i've got the beer) |
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| 19:03.46 | abrotman | oh .. no i can't .. |
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| 19:03.49 | stew | lrp: why aren't you using gcc? |
| 19:03.51 | simonrvn | faemir: extract from top |
| 19:03.53 | m4lu5 | doh++ |
| 19:03.54 | abrotman | m4lu5: i'd have to get the debian netinst ... it'll take a bit |
| 19:04.00 | abrotman | or let me see if i can find one on the LAN |
| 19:04.02 | xingu | qmr: also - is your sata drive and controller ncq enabled? |
| 19:04.06 | lrp | because the driver ask me for kcc |
| 19:04.10 | abrotman | yay .. found one |
| 19:04.12 | m4lu5 | abrotman big thanks. |
| 19:04.18 | lrp | stew and i use export CC=kcc |
| 19:04.25 | troubled | !win abrotman |
| 19:04.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 19:04.31 | stew | lrp: how did you install kcc? |
| 19:04.34 | m4lu5 | whilst you do that, i'll investigate the seemingly 'not so trivial' vde2 stuffs. |
| 19:04.35 | qmr | xingu: I have never heard that term |
| 19:04.42 | lrp | stew apt-get install kcc |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | m4lu5: it'll be deiban/i386 |
| 19:04.47 | stew | !info kcc |
| 19:04.51 | dpkg | kcc: (Kanji code filter), section text, is extra. Version: 2.3-12 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 19:04.54 | stew | lrp: kcc isn't a compiler |
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| 19:04.57 | troubled | qmr: native commande queueing? |
| 19:05.00 | xingu | qmr: dmesg | grep -i ncq |
| 19:05.08 | lrp | stew heheeh i can see |
| 19:05.17 | m4lu5 | abrotman i'm using, fyi, stock 2.6.21-686 (guest, lenny(?)) |
| 19:05.19 | Optic | hey |
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| 19:05.36 | Optic | i've got a weird problem, i've got a new motherboard and every time i reboot the ethernet card gets a new name |
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| 19:05.41 | Optic | eth0, eth1, eth2, etc |
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| 19:05.44 | abrotman | m4lu5: did etch work before going to lenny ? |
| 19:05.47 | faemir | hmm. i appear to be stuck at 640x480 without mouse control. |
| 19:05.47 | bigmatt | lol Optic that is weird :) |
| 19:05.47 | lrp | stew them why do you think he is stuk in there and does not continue with the compilation ? |
| 19:05.48 | qmr | xingu: does not return anything |
| 19:05.50 | Optic | debian 4.0, nvidia board |
| 19:05.50 | faemir | brb. |
| 19:05.50 | stew | Optic: /smg dpkg z25 |
| 19:05.54 | stew | Optic: err, /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:06.00 | Optic | sec, let me boot |
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| 19:06.10 | stew | lrp: becuase you've told it to use a compiler that isn't a compiler at all |
| 19:06.13 | m4lu5 | abrotman i didn't do any dist-upgrades, simply used latest installer (bizcard) from testing |
| 19:06.20 | qmr | Optic: I've seen that before, so you're not crazy.. I can't remember how to fix it |
| 19:06.21 | lrp | stew do you think ? |
| 19:06.25 | stew | lrp: yes |
| 19:06.28 | stew | lrp: can you try it with gcc instead of kcc |
| 19:06.34 | lrp | stew them i mus to export CC=gcc right_ |
| 19:06.39 | lrp | stew let me try |
| 19:06.39 | stew | lrp: unset CC |
| 19:06.40 | xingu | qmr: what sata controller is it? "lspci | grep ATA" will probably tell us |
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| 19:06.47 | lontra | my local time is 5 hours ahead of the time being displayed in kde but everytime i change it and reboot it it gets reset back to that time ... what can i do to change this? |
| 19:06.52 | m4lu5 | abrotman confirmed. lenny, 2.6.21-2-686. vanilla. factory fresh. |
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| 19:06.55 | abrotman | m4lu5: ah .. okay .. i'll go etch then upgrade .. i hope |
| 19:06.56 | Optic | i also have to boot with noapic on this board or it panics |
| 19:06.58 | stew | lontra: do you dual boot with windows? |
| 19:07.05 | qmr | xingu: 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FW (ICH6/ICH6W) SATA Controller (rev 03) |
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| 19:07.11 | lrp | stew heheheh rigth now i am in step 2 |
| 19:07.12 | abrotman | i guess i could try bizcard |
| 19:07.13 | lontra | stew: i had a dual boot with windows that i blew away |
| 19:07.34 | xingu | qmr: bug your vendor for a notebook bios that enables ahci |
| 19:07.36 | m4lu5 | abrotman i used: debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 19:07.40 | stew | lontra: is your timezone 5 hours off from UTC? |
| 19:07.42 | faemir | can people please repeat what they said to me about gnome + sid, I don't have history on =[ |
| 19:07.55 | lontra | stew: utc is 1717? |
| 19:08.01 | abrotman | that's what i'm getting |
| 19:08.05 | stew | lontra: no, its later than that |
| 19:08.06 | m4lu5 | right-o |
| 19:08.10 | lrp | stew take a look here http://pastebin.com/m4b8146fc |
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| 19:08.21 | m4lu5 | what're these "vserver" linux images all about, anyway? |
| 19:08.21 | lrp | stew thats why i changed gcc to kcc |
| 19:08.21 | Optic | i have no package called z25 |
| 19:08.31 | jelly-home | lontra: right now, it's 19:08 UTC |
| 19:08.32 | m4lu5 | i've been unable (or unwilling to dig) to determine what they are all about. |
| 19:08.32 | qmr | xingu: ahci ? |
| 19:08.36 | xingu | qmr: so that's one thing; next up is your ioscheduler; cat /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler |
| 19:08.40 | stew | lrp: it says kgcc not kcc |
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| 19:08.41 | xingu | qmr: giyf |
| 19:08.42 | lontra | stew: well i'm in USA Central time and it's 14:08 here but my laptop reports it as 0908 |
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| 19:08.43 | lrp | stew brb in a few minutes , leave a memo about it i would apreciate |
| 19:08.47 | hark | Optic: no, /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:08.50 | dennis- | anyone running an areca controller? i have the problem that suddenly arcmsr.ko only creates scsi generic (sg*) devices, but not scsi disk devices (sd*) |
| 19:08.53 | lrp | stew lol im blind , thanks brb |
| 19:08.56 | faemir | oh actually I do. >_< |
| 19:09.00 | xingu | qmr: if it's not cfq, this will help with a swap-happy load. |
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| 19:09.02 | zicho | how lonh approicimately does it take for a bug in the unstable branch to be fixed? |
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| 19:09.20 | Optic | oh i seee |
| 19:09.21 | lrp | stew hummm kgcc not found big trouble here |
| 19:09.23 | stew | lontra: try 'tzsetup' to make sure you have the right timezone selected |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | zicho: depends |
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| 19:09.41 | zicho | abrotman: I use unstable now, and i cant even start X. |
| 19:09.59 | qmr | xingu: desktop isn't the slow one, it's desktop.. that's what has the intel sata. I'm using cfq |
| 19:10.02 | Optic | thank you :) |
| 19:10.08 | hark | zicho: found the bug? |
| 19:10.18 | lontra | stew: i don't have a tzsetup and apt-cache search tzsetup shows nothing |
| 19:10.19 | wols | I have a question about openvpn: how does the init.d script know which confing file to use? |
| 19:10.29 | hark | lontra: tzselect? |
| 19:10.30 | abrotman | zicho: whyn ot ? |
| 19:10.32 | stew | lontra: do you ahve tzconfig? |
| 19:10.45 | lontra | i have tzselect |
| 19:10.55 | zicho | abrotman: I dont know. It says "Signal 4 received" or something like that. |
| 19:11.05 | zicho | then it crashes |
| 19:11.15 | abrotman | look in the X log |
| 19:11.29 | stew | lontra: oops, yeah, thats the one, sorry |
| 19:11.29 | lontra | ok ... it thinks local time is 9:10 and it thinks UTC is 14:10 according to tzconfig |
| 19:11.44 | zicho | I think theres a problem with "libpix" |
| 19:11.55 | xingu | wols: last time I looked there were some funky interfaces hooks such that it wouldn't matter anyway |
| 19:11.55 | abrotman | so find the error in the X log |
| 19:12.00 | stew | lontra: that means you are in the correct timezone. what is the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS currently set to? |
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| 19:12.09 | zicho | abrotman: where do i fin the X log? |
| 19:12.14 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 19:12.16 | xingu | wols: you can define each connection in interfaces and ifupdown will automagically do the right thing |
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| 19:12.19 | simonrvn | where all the other logs live |
| 19:12.32 | lontra | stew: it was set to yes but i set it to no after googling this ... but changing it in kde after setting it to no and rebooting didn't seem to do anything |
| 19:12.36 | xingu | wols: apart from that the obvious place to look is /etc/default/openvpn |
| 19:12.42 | simonrvn | ...and mostly die lonely because of being ignored |
| 19:12.54 | aarkerio | Hi! am looking for a "desklet" to show calendar and weather data on wallpaper |
| 19:13.00 | stew | lontra: you want it set to yes |
| 19:13.07 | yigal | why does anyone need anything other than at and cron for appointments, it boggles my mind |
| 19:13.08 | stew | lontra: (unless you are dual booting with windows) |
| 19:13.09 | lontra | stew: ok i reset it back to yes |
| 19:13.16 | lontra | stew: no i'm not |
| 19:13.23 | aarkerio | I think Gdesklets are too heavy |
| 19:13.24 | simonrvn | that's why it's good to read them, because then they will die happy, when eventually they get deleted by logrotate |
| 19:13.24 | m4lu5 | abrotman haha. reading does wonders (not related to kqemu, though) -> "The qemu debian package includes a simple script called qemu-make-debian-root ... uses debootstrap to make image suitable for quemu with a fresh debian installation inside) |
| 19:13.34 | m4lu5 | if I'd only read that before ;) |
| 19:13.38 | abrotman | m4lu5: well .. never used that .. but okay |
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| 19:13.47 | abrotman | and at home i use a few qemu images with debian |
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| 19:14.37 | stew | lontra: now set the time correctly, and "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop" |
| 19:14.39 | simonrvn | updown updown updown updown |
| 19:14.46 | m4lu5 | abrotman i'm trying it now, but w/sid (guest) instead of lenny |
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| 19:14.48 | dennis- | anyone can tell me why there is suddenly no sda device for my raid controller anymore? there are only sg0 and sg1 devices |
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| 19:14.58 | m4lu5 | although I think it'll have no positive effect. |
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| 19:15.13 | zicho | I looked at the log, but i dont really see what the problem is anyhow. |
| 19:15.33 | lontra | stew: ok |
| 19:15.36 | wols | xingu: thanks for /etc/default/openvpn |
| 19:15.41 | hark | zicho: pastebin it |
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| 19:16.11 | zicho | hark: i dont know how. Im stuck in console, since i cant start X |
| 19:16.13 | lontra | stew: should that be it? |
| 19:16.20 | stew | lontra: should be |
| 19:16.29 | lontra | stew: thanks |
| 19:16.53 | stew | zicho: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 19:18.57 | m4lu5 | qemu-make-debian-root 500 sid http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid.img <-- magick :) |
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| 19:19.13 | Dougy | Does Debian + Gnome on 64 bit work okay? |
| 19:19.15 | Dougy | Or is that a bad idea |
| 19:19.22 | lontra | stew: that didn't work. it reset to 0918 after reboot |
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| 19:19.34 | abrotman | Dougy: should be okay |
| 19:19.48 | chops | Does anyone know what happened to mysql-doc? I liked that package, but I can't find it in etch. |
| 19:20.19 | chops | (Or in sarge...) |
| 19:20.46 | abrotman | m4lu5: well .. when installing over ssh . i can't tell :) |
| 19:20.50 | xingu | Dougy: runs fine here |
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| 19:21.23 | abrotman | m4lu5: ah .. expert works much better :) |
| 19:21.30 | m4lu5 | on a sidenote, as someone who has used debian since 1998~ ish, I still can't imagine why people would choose anything but Debian. amazing sh*t. |
| 19:21.33 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:21.43 | abrotman | why does it keep going into graphic mode ? |
| 19:22.21 | m4lu5 | abrotman dunno. try that cmd I pasted above. automagick debian, yo. |
| 19:22.41 | m4lu5 | I can't believe I just finished a sentence with "yo"... what's next, "oh, snap"? |
| 19:22.47 | abrotman | m4lu5: sure .. but i can't install over ssh because it goes into whacko mode .. and it kills the vnc server |
| 19:22.50 | xingu | "yarr" |
| 19:23.05 | m4lu5 | am |
| 19:23.09 | m4lu5 | ah, rahter. ah. |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | what a pile of poo |
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| 19:24.10 | m4lu5 | abrotman please don't feel too obliged to spend much of your time on this. other fish to fry, i'm sure. |
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| 19:24.20 | abrotman | m4lu5: oh .. juts some lovely coding |
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| 19:24.55 | jelly-home | Hi. I have kern.* -/var/log/kern.log in syslog.conf. Is there any reason why kern.log would be empty (while messages appeared in eg. dmesg)? |
| 19:25.01 | zicho | the backtracke is in #flood now |
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| 19:25.33 | abrotman | m4lu5: it'd be easier if the darn thing didn't segfault when i connected to it |
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| 19:27.10 | xingu | jelly-home: kernel messages have priorities too... |
| 19:27.13 | lontra | i am dumbfounded as to why the clock keeps resetting ... i do know that when i reboot it tells me timestamp is in the future and it "fixes it" |
| 19:27.21 | xingu | jelly-home: check the filter in syslog.conf for kern.log |
| 19:27.45 | Photon | is there an 'official' approved dyndns updating program / script? |
| 19:27.56 | zicho | can anyone see whats tje problem with X? i posted the backtrace in #flood |
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| 19:28.26 | xingu | Photon: I've used ez-ipupdate in the past |
| 19:28.30 | jelly-home | xingu: it's like kern.* |
| 19:28.35 | lontra | any ideas how i can fix my time? |
| 19:28.43 | Photon | ta xingu |
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| 19:28.58 | fastputty | how to launch ethereal under shell ? |
| 19:29.05 | fastputty | to look at ASCII packets |
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| 19:29.45 | xingu | fastputty: "wireshark" - tshark, maybe. |
| 19:29.45 | CharminTheMoose | ethereal? |
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| 19:30.47 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: a spiffy sniffer with a nice GUI? Now called wireshark |
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| 19:30.53 | xingu | jelly-home: is klogd running? |
| 19:30.57 | jelly-home | xingu: it is. |
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| 19:31.41 | xingu | jelly-home: the -c ... acts as a surpressor too; are the messages turning up on the actual consoles? |
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| 19:32.14 | jelly-home | xingu: hm. I thought syslog interface wouldn't be affected |
| 19:32.18 | xingu | jelly-home: if not, this is your cause; -c ... supresses messages below that level for *all* consoles including the one that klogd monitors; the messages will *always* appear in dmesg ringbuffer though |
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| 19:32.48 | broken | i have a question here.. what is the purpose of the 25 cds? |
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| 19:33.01 | amadeus | I am looking for a "Just Works(TM)" distro that includes flash, java, dvd and mp3 codecs, proprietary drivers such as nvidia, software such as virtualbox etc. So far I am looking at Freespire and Linux Mint. Do you guys have experience with these? Are there alternatives? |
| 19:33.04 | broken | I've been putting off trying debian, and i've tried arch but that was a mistake as it just shuts off my cmputer upon boot. |
| 19:33.12 | xingu | jelly-home: "syslog interface" == openning /dev/console and firing syslog(3) |
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| 19:33.19 | jelly-home | xingu: that might be it; I did some sysctl tuning not to get swamped by kernel debug in the console |
| 19:33.26 | jelly-home | xingu: d'oh! :-) |
| 19:33.38 | xingu | jelly-home: it's klogd's main purpose in life :) |
| 19:33.49 | CharminTheMoose | broken, for 24 drink coasters? |
| 19:33.56 | Kevin` | what package has the 'ip' command |
| 19:34.03 | broken | Oh god.. oh god.. im dieing.. becuase of these lame jokes. |
| 19:34.22 | CharminTheMoose | broken, that and it's great to have the entire stable distro on a physical medium |
| 19:34.32 | CharminTheMoose | especially if you have no 'net connection |
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| 19:34.39 | CharminTheMoose | or really slow dial up |
| 19:34.40 | xingu | jelly-home: actually that's a mistruth, it does monitor /proc/kmsg directly, hmm. |
| 19:34.45 | CharminTheMoose | or you want a few coasters.. |
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| 19:34.55 | broken | Mhm.. alright, CharminTheMoose how would you recommend I install it first time? |
| 19:34.55 | stew | they really don't make very good coasters |
| 19:35.02 | xingu | jelly-home: probably comes back to there being a single kernel-wide var for the prio filter |
| 19:35.04 | broken | CharminTheMoose: its a laptop by the waya nd won't have net access. |
| 19:35.06 | zicho | Can someone help me with my X-issues? I have posted the backtrace i #flood |
| 19:35.06 | lontra | the time is not being correctly displayed KDE, no matter what I've tried I've been unable to get it to stay at the correct time because after I reboot it goes back to the incorrect time ... |
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| 19:35.27 | stew | lontra: man hwclock and try to figure out how to use that to set your hardware clock to utc |
| 19:35.31 | CharminTheMoose | broken, well, then yeah, the 25 cd set is then probably good... |
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| 19:35.51 | xingu | jelly-home: how about this for an experiment; let the kernel squawk; and use *syslogd* prio filtering to control what gets sent to /dev/console |
| 19:35.55 | broken | CharminTheMoose: ... so.. i must download all 25 of them? |
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| 19:36.03 | xingu | jelly-home: vs what just ends up in kern.log |
| 19:36.10 | Kevin` | anyone? |
| 19:36.22 | CharminTheMoose | broken, meh, if you want every single package you could possibly want, then yes... |
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| 19:36.43 | broken | CharminTheMoose: how about just grabbign the first cd, will that install debian and i can choose packages from the on? |
| 19:36.49 | broken | I'd just like a base install off a cd. |
| 19:36.57 | zicho | finch keeps crashing. |
| 19:37.00 | CharminTheMoose | broken, then yeah.. |
| 19:37.05 | gkiagia | lontra: I have seen this problem too on my laptop. the solution is to recompile the kernel with a specific option enabled |
| 19:37.18 | CharminTheMoose | but you'd need a 'net connection to grab packages off of the servers.. |
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| 19:37.34 | lontra | gkiagia: really? that sounds like a bit of a pain in the ass for what i'd imagine should be an easy answer |
| 19:37.52 | broken | CharminTheMoose: I see, thanks. |
| 19:38.08 | CharminTheMoose | broken, no prob |
| 19:38.42 | jelly-home | xingu: hmm. qouth strace klogd, write(1, "<6>Sep 19 21:38:16 kernel: pcieh"..., 96) = -1 ENOTCONN (Transport endpoint is not connected) |
| 19:39.02 | jelly-home | xingu: so somehow they got misconnected |
| 19:39.13 | gkiagia | lontra: yes, the option required is "Enhanced real time clock support" which for some reason is NOT included in debian kernels :( |
| 19:39.33 | xingu | jelly-home: is fd 1 allegedly a socket to syslogd? |
| 19:39.35 | kspath | Kevin`: package vlan appears to have a piece named ip |
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| 19:39.56 | xingu | jelly-home: aah, now I see, ECONN - yes, that's grim |
| 19:40.06 | jelly-home | xingu: I think it ought to be... klogd has one socket opened on fd 1, but it's not anything that syslogd has opened. |
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| 19:40.17 | broken | CharminTheMoose: another thing, heh, if I have a core duo, not a core 2 I'd be going for i386? |
| 19:40.20 | xingu | jelly-home: grimmer still, is that klogd is silently failing |
| 19:40.21 | kspath | Kevin`: if you ask dpkg to tell you where /bin/ip or /sbin/ip came from? |
| 19:40.21 | PerlMan | WHERE'S TEH DEBIAN? |
| 19:40.23 | stew | gkiagia: realtime clock has nothing to do with his problem |
| 19:40.30 | xingu | jelly-home: it ought to be screaming the bloody house down. :) |
| 19:40.33 | jelly-home | xingu: what should it do, complain to syslog? :-)) |
| 19:40.38 | Kevin` | kspath ah, vlan installs "iproute", I think that's it |
| 19:40.38 | CharminTheMoose | broken, urm, not sure about that one.. |
| 19:40.53 | xingu | jelly-home: exit, or squawk to /dev/console directly |
| 19:40.55 | Kevin` | (in addition to vlan tools) |
| 19:40.59 | zicho | Is there anyone else that uses unstable? |
| 19:40.59 | broken | CharminTheMoose: well its not 64bit :/ |
| 19:41.06 | stew | Kevin`: yes, iproute is the pacakge you want |
| 19:41.06 | PerlMan | Is this the gay chat room? |
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| 19:41.18 | stew | zicho: tons of people |
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| 19:41.54 | jelly-home | stew: but it is a rather happy place! :-) |
| 19:41.58 | gkiagia | stew: I have tested this on my laptop. if realtime clock is not compiled in the kernel, the clock is always 2 hours late and if I change it, it isn't saved in CMOS |
| 19:42.03 | zicho | well, then someone would be qualified to help me out a little |
| 19:42.16 | broken | Does anyone know with a core duo, do I use the i386 cd? |
| 19:42.17 | DustyDingo | hm, does ctorrent preallocates the files on disk per default? |
| 19:42.25 | jelly-home | xingu: I be filing bugs, matey! |
| 19:42.40 | kspath | Kevin`: one way to do it is whereis ip ; then you see /bin/ip and /sbin/ip |
| 19:42.40 | m4lu5 | zicho i'll bite. restate your problem? |
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| 19:42.44 | Kevin` | broken core duo is 32bit, (core2 is 64bit) yes, you can |
| 19:42.49 | Kevin` | for either actually |
| 19:42.50 | Gathond | broken: yes |
| 19:42.51 | DustyDingo | -h says, that there is a -a option for that, but it seems to be the default behavoiur anyway |
| 19:42.54 | wols | broken: desktop or server? more than 4GB RAM? |
| 19:42.56 | broken | Kevin`: is that the best choice though? |
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| 19:43.00 | broken | Laptop. |
| 19:43.02 | kspath | Kevin`: then dpkg -S /bin/ip or dpkg -S /sbin/ip |
| 19:43.12 | zicho | m4lu5: X crashes when i try to start it. Backtrace in #flood. |
| 19:43.18 | Kevin` | broken well, unless there's an i686 cd or something |
| 19:43.21 | Gathond | broken: if its core duo and not core2 and debian it is the only choice |
| 19:43.22 | wols | broken: i386 then. you will be happier with the install |
| 19:43.30 | stew | broken: either i386 or amd64 depeding on if you want 32 or 64 bit |
| 19:43.41 | Gathond | stew: core duo is not EMT64 |
| 19:43.46 | kspath | Kevin`: I tried to use apt-file but ip is too common/greedy in a search |
| 19:43.50 | stew | Gathond: oh |
| 19:43.51 | Gathond | stew: its core2 that is |
| 19:43.54 | stew | broken: ignore me then |
| 19:43.59 | broken | Ok, this only supports 32bit I believe, now is there any diffrence between i686 and i386 in the speeds? |
| 19:44.10 | broken | made no sense gramatically. ahh. |
| 19:44.23 | Gathond | broken: probably, but iirc debian does not have an i686 optimized version |
| 19:44.24 | wols | broken: there is no "i686" in debian. some packages like the kernel and libc6 have 686 versions tho |
| 19:44.38 | Gathond | the i386 one includes some key packages in i686 optimized versions though |
| 19:44.44 | wols | broken: debian is compiled for a 486 |
| 19:44.50 | broken | Ah ok thanks, and just to confirm can I use the CD one of the 25, to just get a base install up as I have no internet on the laptop right now. |
| 19:45.17 | m4lu5 | zicho not a clue. somethin' broked. |
| 19:45.17 | jelly-home | wols: with BSWAP and all? wouldn't run on i386 + 80387? |
| 19:45.18 | wols | vanksi: yiz cab, wgat ubterbet will you have in the future? WLAN? if so, what chip? |
| 19:45.28 | stew | zicho: did you check the bts? |
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| 19:45.38 | wols | jelly-home: there are a few instructions that a 486 has. not many |
| 19:45.47 | zicho | stew: yes, i read something about "libpix" |
| 19:45.57 | wols | jelly-home: and debian etch or maybe even sarge say "486" as minimum |
| 19:46.00 | zicho | but "outside of X-browsing" is killing me. |
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| 19:46.35 | Gathond | jelly-home: I'm pretty sure the newer glibc's does not work on i386 anymore |
| 19:46.37 | xingu | jelly-home: show me an i386 that can have more than 32MB DRAM fitted. :) |
| 19:46.43 | jelly-home | wols: good. I do use P2+ machine, maybe P1 if very unlucky |
| 19:46.46 | stew | zicho: why not switch back to 7.2 then? |
| 19:46.56 | zicho | 7.2? |
| 19:46.56 | xingu | crap that old ought to be stripped for base metals |
| 19:47.05 | wols | broken: CD1 is fine. what internet connection will you have in the future |
| 19:47.21 | stew | zicho: yes. the version of xorg that was in unstable until a few days ago |
| 19:47.23 | broken | Its worked on gentoo/arch, its the atheros based wifi card. Works with madwifi. |
| 19:47.31 | zicho | stew: how can i do that? |
| 19:47.37 | stew | zicho: install it from testing |
| 19:47.37 | wols | !tell broken about madwifi |
| 19:47.53 | zicho | do i need to add something in sources.list? |
| 19:47.53 | broken | I'm kind of new to the whole binary thing .. heh. ;) |
| 19:48.08 | stew | zicho: perhaps you should reinstall with stable or testing |
| 19:48.12 | wols | !tell broken about madwifi-install |
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| 19:48.33 | zicho | what is different between testing and unstable? |
| 19:48.41 | broken | wols: thanks, what guide do you reocommend to follow when installing? |
| 19:48.51 | defrysk | testing is more stable then unstable ;p |
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| 19:48.55 | broken | Any beginner guides that goes through xorg installation and all that? |
| 19:49.14 | zicho | but does it have the latest packages? |
| 19:49.32 | defrysk | zicho, not always but some packages are pretty new in unstable |
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| 19:49.40 | wols | broken: I just gave you a guide. well dpkg did |
| 19:49.43 | stew | zicho: packages that have had no testing whatsoever can be uploaded to testing at any time. packages have to be in unstable for at least a few days and can't move to testing if they are going to increase the rc bug count in testing |
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| 19:50.00 | stew | zicho: err, "can be uploaded to unstable at any time" |
| 19:50.03 | bulio- | does anyone know where Plone/Zope gets installed on debian? |
| 19:50.03 | broken | wols: yes that was the mad-wifi guides. |
| 19:50.06 | wols | broken: apt-get install x-window-system. if it doesn't work: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg until id DOES work |
| 19:50.11 | bulio- | when you apt-get the plone package? |
| 19:50.18 | broken | I see. |
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| 19:50.35 | suara | hi... |
| 19:50.40 | wols | broken: there is only one guide dpkg gave you. and a very short one. short version: use m-a (module-assistant) |
| 19:50.49 | Absolute0 | anyone knows if i can change the vmtools config in etch? |
| 19:50.52 | wols | broken: dpkg -L <package> |
| 19:50.57 | zicho | stew: so testing is like unstable... although it is only packaged with stabled packages? |
| 19:50.59 | wols | !tell Absolute0 about vmware |
| 19:51.07 | suara | anyone have configurated a mail server with mysql authentication? |
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| 19:51.26 | Absolute0 | wols: you suck! ;) |
| 19:51.28 | wols | zicho: a package first gets into unstable, then if no massive errors crop up, it's automatically pushed to testing. more or less |
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| 19:51.48 | wols | and some time in the future, testin is frozen, the kinks are shaken out and released as "stable" |
| 19:51.53 | stew | zicho: it sounds like maybe you should be on stable for now and add backports if you must |
| 19:51.53 | zicho | wols: ah, like i thought. Well then perhaps I should give testing a shot. |
| 19:51.56 | wols | !lose Absolute0 |
| 19:51.56 | dpkg | Absolute0: You Lose. |
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| 19:52.06 | broken | wols: thanks for that, but is there a guide for installing all of debian or its not like... gentoo where you have to do it all by hand ? |
| 19:52.11 | zicho | stew: But then i cannot use the latest packages. |
| 19:52.18 | defrysk | lenny now testing will be stable in the future |
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| 19:52.35 | broken | I just hope it doesn't shut off my computer. |
| 19:52.44 | wols | broken: read the release notes. but when you managed a gentoo install, a debian install should be child's play |
| 19:52.46 | Kevin` | "shut off"? |
| 19:52.47 | amadeus | I am looking for a "Just Works(TM)" distro that includes flash, java, dvd and mp3 codecs, proprietary drivers such as nvidia, software such as virtualbox etc. So far I am looking at Freespire and Linux Mint. Do you guys have experience with these? Are there alternatives? |
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| 19:52.51 | zicho | defrysk: yes but when is that? it is a while until it is released |
| 19:52.59 | Kevin` | gentoo actually has rather good guides |
| 19:53.00 | logd | what if a ntfs partitons need to be chkdsk/scandisk'ed but windows doesn't recognize the unit as valid and wants to reformat ? using -o force in mount hide many files considered unclean |
| 19:53.10 | Kevin` | as to the install process, you mostly stick in the cd and go through menus |
| 19:53.20 | wols | amadeus: the only distro we know is debian. nothing else |
| 19:53.20 | Kevin` | (for debian) |
| 19:53.24 | wols | amadeus: for any other questions: you are WAY off topic |
| 19:53.40 | broken | I see. Thanks. ;) |
| 19:53.44 | wols | zicho: probably another year until it will become stable |
| 19:53.46 | amadeus | sorry |
| 19:53.58 | pickcoder | suara: postfix |
| 19:54.04 | zicho | wols: i thonk i will try testing out instead, then. |
| 19:54.26 | pickcoder | suara: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 19:55.48 | roxy_ | I want to install debian testing on a friend's laptop. He has no knowledge of linux. Is there a friendly gui frontend for aptitude ? |
| 19:55.58 | zicho | synaptic |
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| 19:56.36 | zicho | roxy_: It is quite good. |
| 19:56.36 | gkiagia | roxy_: synaptic |
| 19:56.49 | suara | pickcoder, uahh |
| 19:56.53 | suara | very hard.... |
| 19:56.56 | suara | :) |
| 19:57.05 | roxy_ | thanks |
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| 19:57.28 | suara | pickcoder, i was looking for something more simple |
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| 19:58.05 | gener1c | say how do i mass remove something? |
| 19:58.09 | gener1c | i mean |
| 19:58.13 | gener1c | all over the pc |
| 19:58.20 | zicho | rm -rf * |
| 19:58.22 | gener1c | like locate works for example |
| 19:58.35 | zicho | gow do you mean? |
| 19:58.39 | dkr | rm `locate foo` |
| 19:58.39 | zicho | *how |
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| 19:59.06 | gener1c | rm -rf *smb4k* |
| 19:59.15 | gener1c | oh ok |
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| 19:59.32 | zicho | if you run locate it will remove all the files it can find |
| 19:59.35 | zicho | all over the computer |
| 19:59.44 | zicho | that has the word "foo" in it |
| 19:59.54 | gener1c | yeah |
| 19:59.56 | gener1c | cool |
| 19:59.58 | gener1c | thanks alot |
| 20:00.01 | zicho | kind of |
| 20:00.03 | gener1c | that is what i looked for |
| 20:00.08 | zicho | ah. good. |
| 20:00.17 | zicho | dont than me though |
| 20:00.23 | zicho | thank dkr |
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| 20:00.54 | gener1c | 10q <dkr> |
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| 20:01.22 | jelly-home | xingu: invoke-rc.d sysklogd restart causes it... I'd think a script called "sysklogd" would restart both syslog and klogd, apparently not so |
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| 20:03.16 | infinity0 | i'm trying to backport gnash to etch... i'm getting a libtool error... should i backport libtool as well or abandon the whole attempt? |
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| 20:04.15 | defrysk | is gnash usable ? |
| 20:04.28 | not_benh | hello all. Does any one know if theres a clean way to roll from a current Ubuntu install to Debian Testing. |
| 20:04.52 | P-K | Is there anything that will monitor and report on how and when files are deleted? |
| 20:05.01 | rahul | not_benh: there is no way |
| 20:05.05 | defrysk | not_benh, only if you have a seperate /home or a partition to backup to |
| 20:05.07 | rahul | not_benh: they are totally different distros |
| 20:05.09 | infinity0 | defrysk: it's at version 0.8.1-rc1 so i guess so |
| 20:05.16 | defrysk | hmm |
| 20:05.49 | defrysk | not_benh, that only goes for your /home however |
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| 20:06.25 | gkiagia | defrysk: gnash plays some flash content but it still has many glitches |
| 20:06.35 | defrysk | gkiagia, thought so |
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| 20:06.57 | gener1c | i got premission denied on all files |
| 20:06.59 | infinity0 | actually nvmd i'll try it with something else |
| 20:07.01 | gener1c | omg |
| 20:07.05 | gener1c | and im root |
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| 20:07.58 | faemir | for some reason debian keeps restarting as if i keep pressing ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:08.12 | row_ | whats the mount type if you want to add a mount --bind /olddir /newdir to /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:08.21 | row_ | I put type as bind and did not work of course |
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| 20:08.32 | neighbors | how do I see what package installs a specific file? |
| 20:08.49 | Gathond | neighbors: dpkg -S |
| 20:09.12 | row_ | worked it out I think |
| 20:09.14 | neighbors | thx Gathond, does that only search installed packages? |
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| 20:09.23 | neighbors | I need to search uninstalled packages |
| 20:09.31 | Gathond | neighbors: yes |
| 20:09.34 | row_ | yeah that did it |
| 20:09.36 | wols | neighbors: it serches installed FILES and what packages they belong to |
| 20:09.38 | not_benh | rahul: thanks for the info |
| 20:09.44 | not_benh | defrysk: thanks for the info |
| 20:09.46 | Gathond | neighbors: it tells which package supplied a given file |
| 20:10.00 | neighbors | I see, the file isn't on the system |
| 20:10.01 | Gathond | neighbors: dpkg -S /bin/tar as an example |
| 20:10.05 | wols | neighbors: apt-cache search <searchterm> for things you haven't isntalled. if you want to search a file:packages.debian.org or apt-file |
| 20:10.10 | neighbors | I need to know which package needs to be installed to get a specific file |
| 20:10.20 | wols | neighbors: use packages.debian.org then. fastest |
| 20:10.21 | streuner | neighbors: pdo |
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| 20:10.28 | petemc | apt-file |
| 20:10.34 | neighbors | k, I'll try apt-file, thx |
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| 20:11.52 | bulio1 | does anyone know where Plone/Zope gets installed on debian? |
| 20:12.04 | wols | bulio1: I told you n hour ago |
| 20:12.05 | stew | bulio1: dpkg -L packagename |
| 20:12.26 | troubled | little offtopic humour. old hd stepper motor drive converted to a clock: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10600965@N06/1400526991/ |
| 20:13.16 | infinity0 | ok... here goes.. i'm backporting gnash to etch... i'm going to install the build-depends packages. after i make the debs would it be safe to remove those packages? |
| 20:13.32 | infinity0 | and/or is there a way to get apt to automatically install them by looking at the .dsc file? |
| 20:13.33 | bulio1 | thanks stew |
| 20:13.37 | wols | infinity0: yes |
| 20:14.11 | infinity0 | wols: kk, thanks, and do you know about the 2nd question? |
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| 20:14.20 | stew | bulio1: look for /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian for information about setting them up |
| 20:14.29 | wols | infinity0: apt-get build-dep gnash is what you do |
| 20:14.50 | infinity0 | wols ahh ok, and would i replace "gnash" with the .dsc file? |
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| 20:15.56 | wols | no you won't |
| 20:15.57 | FlufyBuni | quick; whats this command do; cat /etc/passwd | wc l |
| 20:15.57 | defrysk | infinity0, just apt-get build-dep gnash and fakeroot apt-get source -b gnash |
| 20:16.02 | FlufyBuni | print out the contents of the file "passwd" and then do a word count" |
| 20:16.10 | Kevin` | FlufyBuni number of users |
| 20:16.24 | gener1c | i used rm -r /rm-f/rm -rf/rm -fr `locate smb4k` as root none worked |
| 20:16.28 | FlufyBuni | but its not the real users is it or does it count the system users too? |
| 20:16.36 | gener1c | some even gave me premission denied |
| 20:16.44 | GuHhH | my apache always points to the same page, even if i use differents virtualhosts at different dirs... help please! apache2ctl -S -> http://apache.pastebin.ca/703753 |
| 20:16.48 | Kevin` | FlufyBuni system users are "real", but it will list them |
| 20:17.18 | chops | gener1c: Don't ever type rm -rf `anything` as root |
| 20:17.24 | pickcoder | FlufyBuni: you want a word count? what info are you trying to get? |
| 20:17.25 | FlufyBuni | heh cat /etc/passwd | wc l |
| 20:17.25 | FlufyBuni | wc: l: No such file or directory |
| 20:17.32 | pickcoder | wc -w does a word count |
| 20:17.33 | chops | FlufyBuni: cat /etc/passwd | wc -l |
| 20:17.38 | pickcoder | I think you want wc -l |
| 20:17.42 | pickcoder | for line count |
| 20:17.42 | gener1c | sol:/usr/bin# rm -fr `locate smb4k` |
| 20:17.42 | gener1c | rm: cannot lstat `/home/solekiller/smb4k/YAEL/Public': Input/output error |
| 20:17.42 | gener1c | sol:/usr/bin# |
| 20:17.48 | FlufyBuni | thas what i did. my debian lacks wc. is that possible? |
| 20:18.04 | FlufyBuni | heh nevermind |
| 20:18.05 | pickcoder | you didn't specify a dash before the "el" |
| 20:18.06 | FlufyBuni | it says 32 |
| 20:18.10 | FlufyBuni | i dont have 32 users on my system |
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| 20:18.12 | FlufyBuni | thats bs |
| 20:18.25 | FlufyBuni | thats a word count. |
| 20:18.27 | chops | gener1c: That's your problem then, nothing to do with the rm. Track down the I/O error. |
| 20:18.32 | Gathond | FlufyBuni: you probably do |
| 20:18.32 | Kevin` | -l is line count |
| 20:18.33 | infinity0 | defrysk: i'm using etch, which doesn't have a gnash package, so how would apt-get recognise "gnash"? |
| 20:18.45 | Kevin` | FlufyBuni just look at the file, it's readably.. |
| 20:18.49 | gener1c | <chops> the other combos gave me premission denied |
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| 20:19.02 | gener1c | this one was the most fruitfull |
| 20:19.05 | defrysk | infinity0, after building the .deb you can install it with dpkg -i <package> |
| 20:19.06 | FlufyBuni | Gathond: i guarantee you i dont. i know its "readably". i am root. i can read it. |
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| 20:19.22 | FlufyBuni | i just find it amusing. |
| 20:19.26 | Gathond | FlufyBuni: this INCLUDES whatever the system itself has |
| 20:19.30 | FlufyBuni | its off by 31 uesrs when it says 32 |
| 20:19.30 | Kevin` | FlufyBuni so, there are not 32 lines in that file? |
| 20:19.33 | FlufyBuni | ya i know. |
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| 20:19.39 | infinity0 | defrysk: i don't have a deb yet, i need to make -f debian/rules binary it but atm my system doesn't satisfy the build-dependencies, and there's about 20 of them :/ |
| 20:19.43 | pickcoder | FlufyBuni: is there a lot of blank lines? |
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| 20:20.05 | Kevin` | FlufyBuni so you are saying you only have one line, for root? |
| 20:20.11 | Kevin` | not even "nobody"? |
| 20:20.26 | FlufyBuni | :-o |
| 20:20.51 | Gathond | FlufyBuni: this debian laptop with one user (actual with a homedir) has 27 users, so 32 really does not seem unlikely |
| 20:21.03 | chops | FlufyBuni: Your system has a lot of system users in addition to the one (presumably) that corresponds to an actual human. |
| 20:21.10 | Gathond | as this is a laptop, so there ain't many services |
| 20:21.41 | Gathond | hmmm why can't I write pipes |
| 20:21.42 | defrysk | infinity whay not simply download gnash lenny ? |
| 20:21.45 | lrp | stew are you there |
| 20:21.51 | lrp | !kgcc |
| 20:21.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kgcc is stable gcc on RedHat, because their unstable one has troubles compiling the kernel (k in kgcc stands for kernel), or not needed on debian |
| 20:21.53 | defrysk | it probably works just as wel |
| 20:22.16 | defrysk | hmm the wine is kicking in ;s |
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| 20:22.17 | lrp | !find kgcc |
| 20:22.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kgcc' returned no results. |
| 20:22.30 | stew | lrp: you want just gcc |
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| 20:22.40 | lrp | stew do you think so ? |
| 20:22.45 | infinity0 | defrysk: haven't tried it but i was advised not to mix unstable with stable :/ |
| 20:22.52 | stew | lrp: yes, otherwise i woulnd't have said so (twice) |
| 20:23.06 | lrp | stew ok my f |
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| 20:23.31 | defrysk | infinity0, not mixing , just downloading it |
| 20:23.35 | lastnode_ | hey guys, just wondering if someone could recommend a pcmcia wireless card that will work out of the box with etch/lenny without firmware. (I don't mind installing madwifi or something, but no fw please - sick of it after my inbuilt broadcom). |
| 20:24.03 | defrysk | infinity0, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnash |
| 20:24.07 | lastnode_ | I'm looking at the D-Link Wireless-G Laptop Adapter (WNA-1330). Madwifi compat seems to rate it ok. |
| 20:24.12 | infinity0 | defrysk: well what am i supposed to do with the downloaded one apart from installing it then? |
| 20:24.40 | Kevin` | lastnode_ cardbus? |
| 20:24.52 | pickcoder | !tell lastnode_ about wireless |
| 20:24.56 | defrysk | infinity0, after installing it it should "just" work |
| 20:25.05 | defrysk | if not simply uninstall it |
| 20:25.09 | infinity0 | defrysk: oh right ok |
| 20:25.32 | infinity0 | it's marked "security" does that mean "fixes pending" or "fixes done"? |
| 20:25.33 | stew | lrp: "build-essential" is the package you want to install to get gcc |
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| 20:26.10 | lrp | stew i believe i have gcc installed , otherwise the compilation would ask me for gcc >D |
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| 20:26.22 | lrp | stew im compilling , from now on everything is doing okay |
| 20:26.57 | Shifty | hello... if i try to create a folder over ftp (ftpserver vsftpd) i get error: 550 Permission denied. <--- how can i fix that? |
| 20:27.05 | ManuP | i use filezilla. what happens, if i add a host to the "cache"? is the host only for filezilla or for my whole system KNOW and trusted? |
| 20:27.11 | stew | lrp: install build-essential if you haven't already |
| 20:27.17 | infinity0 | defrysk: and no it won't it requires libc6 >=2.6-1, etc, not in etch |
| 20:27.26 | infinity0 | hmm bah |
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| 20:27.45 | infinity0 | i'll just c+p the packages to be backported then :/ |
| 20:27.56 | defrysk | infinity0, I see no reason to fart around with a hardly usable package unless you are a developer |
| 20:27.58 | lrp | stew ok i will afther compile http://pastebin.com/m1aa83304 check there |
| 20:28.15 | defrysk | or a gnuguru |
| 20:28.25 | infinity0 | defrysk: well it's the only way i can get flash to work on my system :/ |
| 20:28.42 | defrysk | infinity0, howso ? |
| 20:29.06 | infinity0 | the other flash packages in etch either don't work or crash for newer versions of flash |
| 20:29.08 | Kevin` | probably needs flash 10 or 11 or whatever version it is now |
| 20:29.45 | defrysk | infinity get flash-nonfree from lenny, it works fine on etch |
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| 20:30.41 | defrysk | infinity0, get flashplugin-nonfree from lenny |
| 20:31.08 | infinity0 | hmmm |
| 20:31.11 | infinity0 | yeah i suppose |
| 20:31.12 | defrysk | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:31.35 | defrysk | afaI can remeber flash gives a md5sum error in etch |
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| 20:32.07 | infinity0 | eh i'll have to do that in two weeks when i get net on the laptop |
| 20:32.30 | lrp | stew yeahhh im having webcam hehehehe |
| 20:32.52 | lrp | stew i have ther camera running , thanks for the help to you and all the people here >D |
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| 20:33.06 | ttl- | hi |
| 20:34.26 | ttl- | i'm using lenny and found today that i can mount 2 devices on the same mount point without getting an error, how is this possible and what would happen if you write a file to the double mounted mountpoint? |
| 20:35.18 | lastnode_ | Kevin`, sorry, there is _major_ lag on my end. :) cardbus? as in yes, mini pci. |
| 20:35.40 | ttl- | to which block device the file would be written in such a case? |
| 20:35.41 | Kevin` | lastnode_ ya, atheros cardbus or minipci should be fine |
| 20:36.02 | ekix | hi. how can i do sarge netinstall when etch is now stable? |
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| 20:36.11 | ekix | sarge installer complains about missing kernel modules etc... |
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| 20:36.56 | gkiagia | ttl-: this doesn't sound right.... |
| 20:37.15 | lastnode_ | Kevin`, is there a difference? because this minipci card im looking at on futureshop.ca says Interface:cardbus |
| 20:37.42 | Kevin` | lastnode_ minipci is an internal card, looks like a wide ram stick if you've never seen one |
| 20:38.00 | happitycamper | ttl-: the last one you mounted. |
| 20:38.22 | lastnode_ | Kevin`, can I pm you a link? |
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| 20:39.19 | ttl- | happitycamper: ls was indeed showing the content of the last mounted |
| 20:39.19 | Kevin` | lastnode_ sure |
| 20:39.31 | carluva | hey, anybody around who can help me with installing nvidia drivers on testing? |
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| 20:39.35 | ttl- | happitycamper: Strange it does not result in a busy error |
| 20:39.51 | wols | carluva: ask a real question please |
| 20:39.51 | ttl- | happitycamper: Is this normal behavior? |
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| 20:40.11 | happitycamper | ttl-: it just stacks them. When you umount the directory, ls will show the fs of the first device |
| 20:40.51 | ttl- | happitycamper: so it is the normal behavior... |
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| 20:41.00 | ttl- | happitycamper: Didn't know that |
| 20:41.11 | ttl- | happitycamper: Thank you very much |
| 20:41.18 | happitycamper | ttl-: I believe it's normal, just like how you can "hide" files in a directory by mounting on top of them. |
| 20:41.24 | lastnode_ | any candians? need some help purchasing a cardbus wifi that has a good OSS driver in or around toronto. |
| 20:41.30 | happitycamper | ttl-: you're welcome |
| 20:41.38 | ttl- | happitycamper: :-) |
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| 20:44.32 | ekix | hey, how can i install sarge when debian mirrors point to etch as the stable branch? |
| 20:45.56 | dkr | sarge is now oldstable |
| 20:46.13 | wols | ekix: replace "stable" with "sarge" in your sources.list before you upgrade or download anything fromt he net |
| 20:46.27 | ekix | wols, i'm not doing upgrade, i'm using a netboot image to install sarge |
| 20:46.41 | wols | before you install anything with apt-get then |
| 20:46.51 | ekix | so i need to manually enter the correct path to sarge, but i don't seem to get it right :) |
| 20:46.56 | wols | that means: NO getting _any_ packages with tasksel while installing |
| 20:47.10 | wols | only install without getting anything the the internet. base install only |
| 20:47.17 | ekix | wols, i have not installed anything _yet_ :) |
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| 20:47.26 | wols | so pastebin your sources.list |
| 20:47.52 | ekix | i don't think debian installer uses sources.list at this point? |
| 20:48.19 | wols | I told you NOT to download and install anything from the internet while installing. debian base minimum install ONLY |
| 20:48.25 | wols | NO tasksel used. none. nada |
| 20:48.50 | ekix | wols, ok, then i can't use the netboot image |
| 20:48.53 | ekix | thanks :) |
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| 20:49.36 | wols | ekix: use a srage netinst image/bootfloppies. should be about 40MB ISO or so |
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| 20:51.02 | frankr | What package are the C docs in? |
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| 20:51.39 | wols | manpages-dev I think |
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| 20:53.25 | row_ | Can anyone shed some light onto why "/old/dir/new/dirnonebind,ro0 0" is not mounting as read only? |
| 20:53.36 | zinx | because it's a bind |
| 20:53.38 | row_ | I mounted it then did touch test and it created the file |
| 20:53.39 | zinx | not a real mount |
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| 20:53.44 | row_ | ah :( |
| 20:53.45 | row_ | sucks |
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| 20:54.28 | graytron | frankr: glibc-doc ? |
| 20:55.37 | Daveman | hrm |
| 20:55.44 | Daveman | crappy packages "[ |
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| 20:57.25 | anomic | i'm getting a bit further in my quest to install nvidia drivers. i get a splash screen. however, x crashes with the omnious "could not open default font 'fixed'" error. i have xfonts-base. what else might i need? |
| 20:57.43 | anomic | i've tried googling this, and i'd keep trying, but googling in lynx is a hassle |
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| 21:00.13 | Daveman | bah |
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| 21:00.39 | DexTerDDIT | da :) |
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| 21:01.12 | wols | anomic: installed xorg explicitly? |
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| 21:04.16 | anomic | wols: yes |
| 21:04.36 | anomic | i didn't get any of the preconfigured setups |
| 21:05.15 | zOap | how can i see what apps(all users) that are using the most ram? not top.. like a list from the most to the least, with ram size values.? |
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| 21:05.56 | stew | zOap: ps -eo pid,vsize,cmd --sort vsize |
| 21:06.58 | stew | zOap: err change vsize to -vsize for most to least |
| 21:07.07 | jelly-home | assuming VSZ = ram |
| 21:07.15 | anomic | virtual size |
| 21:07.18 | anomic | but yes |
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| 21:08.04 | jelly-home | well, neither VSZ nor RES answer to the question like "how much RAM will be freed if this process is terminated"... |
| 21:08.05 | stew | zOap: right, if you really want amount or ram and not amount of memory then use rss instead of vsize |
| 21:08.28 | zOap | stew, thanks:) that did the trick:) |
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| 21:08.49 | jelly-home | zOap: or just press M (capital M) in top to order by RES |
| 21:08.53 | michiel__ | how can i create a daemon process? |
| 21:09.07 | yetifoot | hi, i just had a message come up about /dev/hda1 superblock time in the future, being fixed, then a fsck was forced, and it said it found errors on root, but rebooted before i could make out any more, should i be concerned? |
| 21:09.10 | michiel__ | how can i ensure a process is always running in other words |
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| 21:13.47 | bwlang | which driver should i use 8139too or 8139cp ? google is not much help on that front. |
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| 21:15.56 | solid_liq | is there any way to get a package for mysql 5.1 for etch? |
| 21:16.04 | solid_liq | or is that lenny only? |
| 21:16.34 | yetifoot | solid_liq, maybe backports have it? |
| 21:16.55 | solid_liq | yetifoot: good idea, thanks! |
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| 21:19.10 | anomic | wols: do you know what i need to do? |
| 21:19.20 | zOap | I'm looking for a nice "free-ram" utility for linux. does anyone have any good tips? |
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| 21:19.58 | stew | zOap: what would this "free-ram" utility do? |
| 21:20.13 | solid_liq | free -m |
| 21:20.40 | zOap | stew, free up as much of the physical memory as possible, since sometimes some apps hog up alot of ram.. |
| 21:20.52 | anomic | try kill |
| 21:21.06 | wols | anomic: how did you install nvidia drivers? debian way? |
| 21:21.11 | zOap | anomic, kill what? kill -all?:D |
| 21:21.20 | anomic | wols: debian way didn't work. had to use the nvidia installer. |
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| 21:21.40 | anomic | zOap: alt+sysrq+e, amirite? |
| 21:22.05 | anomic | wols: xorg couldn't find the nvidia module when i did it the debian way |
| 21:22.49 | diafic | !ibm |
| 21:22.49 | dpkg | hmm... ibm is International Business Machines - a very spiffy company - who happens to make AIX, OS/400, OS/2, and other cool operating systems, not to mention some of the most superior hardware on the market.. I Blame Microsoft. I Buy Macintosh |
| 21:22.52 | diafic | !ibm-acpi |
| 21:22.57 | diafic | :/ |
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| 21:23.07 | infinity0 | anomic: you need to edit some files, i've got a complete list of instructions to install nvidia drivers/kernel module "the debian way" which involves backporting |
| 21:23.07 | wols | namit: I don't really believe you and I certainly don't support nvidia.com tarballs |
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| 21:23.22 | wols | anomic: what videochip/card btw? |
| 21:23.26 | anomic | infinity0: aha |
| 21:23.27 | troubled | diafic: /msg dpkg listkeys ibm |
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| 21:23.37 | moldy | hi |
| 21:23.43 | infinity0 | anomic: hang on i'll pm |
| 21:23.46 | moldy | what username does squid use on debian by default? |
| 21:23.51 | anomic | wols: nvidia geforce fx 5200 |
| 21:24.10 | wols | then the nvidia drivers are totally unecessary. and no backporting either |
| 21:24.14 | troubled | moldy: proxy |
| 21:24.20 | moldy | troubled: thanks |
| 21:24.31 | yetifoot | infinity0, are the instructions for lenny? if so could i get a copy please? |
| 21:24.47 | infinity0 | yetifoot: instructions for sid, hang on i'll upload them actually |
| 21:24.54 | yetifoot | infinity0, thanks |
| 21:24.56 | infinity0 | np |
| 21:25.04 | anomic | thanks, infinity0 |
| 21:25.09 | anomic | but, is there really a point? |
| 21:25.14 | infinity0 | well it worked for me |
| 21:25.22 | anomic | i mean, i can't be sure, but it doesn't look like the problem is with nvidia anymore |
| 21:25.29 | anomic | the error message is about the 'fixed' font |
| 21:25.59 | anomic | wols: unnecessary? what should i be doing, then? |
| 21:27.01 | wols | install the driver the debian way |
| 21:27.07 | yetifoot | does anyone have any suggestions about my fsck failure i wrote about up the page? |
| 21:27.14 | anomic | wols: i've tried that. xorg can't find the module |
| 21:27.24 | anomic | no one in here yesterday knew how to fix that |
| 21:27.30 | wols | you fsckup is not xorg's fault |
| 21:27.43 | anomic | i installed from the repositories. how is that my fuckup? |
| 21:28.05 | infinity0 | yetifoot, anomic: http://webxl.24bps.com/scratch/nvidiagnulinux.txt |
| 21:28.12 | yetifoot | wols, is that to me? i know it has nothing to do with xorg but i don't know how important it is |
| 21:28.28 | yetifoot | infinity0, thanks |
| 21:28.33 | infinity0 | np |
| 21:28.39 | wols | yetifoot: no not you |
| 21:28.51 | infinity0 | make sure your vid card is actually supported by those drivers though :P |
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| 21:29.09 | wols | anomic: choose the nv driver, restart X. if it's still erroring: you are right |
| 21:29.23 | anomic | wols: so, instead of telling me it's my fault package maintainers aren't communicating properly, why don't you tell me how to fix the problem? |
| 21:29.35 | anomic | wols: the nv driver gives me a black screen |
| 21:29.36 | wols | !tell anomic about nvidia-install |
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| 21:29.44 | anomic | possibly because the machine is connected to a television set |
| 21:30.00 | wols | anomic: then use the nv driver and pastebin your xorg logs |
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| 21:30.06 | tuv | there isn't a default emacs binary anymore in testing, is there? i have to run either emacs21 or emacs22 !! |
| 21:30.11 | yetifoot | anomic, did you set up the twinview or whatever in xorg.conf? |
| 21:30.43 | wols | anomic: all I can tell you is that #debian doesn't support nvidia.com packages you manually installed |
| 21:31.31 | tuv | an update-alternatives --set emacs /usr/bin/emacs22-gtk fixed that :) |
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| 21:32.35 | tuv | anomic, i'm running an LCD and a tv with an nvidia card using debian-built nvidia drivers (module-assistant) |
| 21:32.58 | tuv | anomic, an lcd tv connected with a dvi-to-hdmi cable |
| 21:34.07 | anomic | tuv: regular tv connected with svideo |
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| 21:34.29 | anomic | wols: if you'll help me get xorg to find the module, i'll be happy to install the debian way |
| 21:34.39 | anomic | but i spent four hours on it yesterday, and got nowhere |
| 21:35.02 | infinity0 | anomic: jesus man check that link i just posted you |
| 21:35.06 | karsten | anomic: "Now here"? |
| 21:35.31 | anomic | infinity0: the txt file? |
| 21:35.33 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 21:35.43 | infinity0 | anomic: yes |
| 21:35.52 | anomic | yeah, i think i'll try that |
| 21:36.03 | anomic | anyone know how to reverse the official installation? |
| 21:36.04 | wols | karsten: overkill |
| 21:36.04 | infinity0 | anomic: uninstall the nvidia-install stuff first or smoething |
| 21:36.11 | wols | anomic: ask nvidia |
| 21:36.15 | anomic | yeah |
| 21:36.16 | anomic | thanks |
| 21:36.29 | karsten | wols: That assumes I'm not sitting on it. |
| 21:36.35 | blizz | i'm trying to install lighttpd from backports, but apt-get says it's already at the newest version |
| 21:36.48 | wols | even then. and the part you're stiing in already has a hole. why would you need two? |
| 21:37.15 | infinity0 | blizz: you probably need to either add backports to your sources.list or do # dpkg -i [new .deb file] |
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| 21:38.43 | anomic | wols: bouncybouncy.net/nvidia_install.sh seems to be dead |
| 21:38.44 | blizz | infinity0: yup, it's in sources.list and i already installed 2 other packages from there which worked perfect |
| 21:38.50 | blizz | ly |
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| 21:39.27 | infinity0 | blizz: maybe it *is* the newest version? if it isn't you can try that dpkg thing |
| 21:39.31 | anomic | wols: nv gave me the same error, btw |
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| 21:39.55 | jaimono | hi! |
| 21:40.37 | wols | anomic: I asked you for the xorg log |
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| 21:41.02 | wols | anomic: you use apt to get your drivers. not some random website |
| 21:41.04 | jaimono | someone around here can please translate me a piece of help for a ndiswrapper driver I've found in german? |
| 21:41.21 | wols | jaimono: pastebin it |
| 21:41.31 | troubled | jaimono: try babelfish or google? |
| 21:41.45 | jaimono | wols, thanks where should I paste it? |
| 21:41.57 | wols | in a pastebin. as I said already |
| 21:41.58 | troubled | wols: you speak german? |
| 21:42.08 | wols | I am a german |
| 21:42.31 | kspath | anyone know what package pidstat is in? |
| 21:42.34 | jaimono | ok wols, it is in http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/66068/next/ |
| 21:42.37 | anomic | wols: sorry, took a while. i'm using lynx :( http://pastebin.ca/703887 |
| 21:42.38 | wols | !tell kspath about search |
| 21:43.21 | kspath | wols: thank you, I am quite familiar with all of that |
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| 21:43.40 | wols | jaimono: what exactly? |
| 21:43.53 | wols | kspath: you aren't or you could search for pidstat yourself |
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| 21:45.07 | wols | anomic: you haven't installed ANY fonts. I asked you before if you installed xorg,a nd you said "yes" (btw: xorg is a metapackage). please don't lie. that makes abrotman cry |
| 21:45.11 | wols | and then he LARTs you |
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| 21:45.26 | kspath | wols: I did search thank you |
| 21:45.44 | dante_2core | hello there |
| 21:45.54 | dante_2core | I have a problem you might solve quickly |
| 21:45.59 | wols | kspath: same for you. please don't lie |
| 21:46.03 | troubled | dante_2core: 42 |
| 21:46.08 | wols | dpkg -S /usr/bin/pidstat |
| 21:46.08 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/bin/pidstat package |
| 21:46.08 | wols | sysstat: /usr/bin/pidstat |
| 21:46.10 | dante_2core | I updated my xorg to 1.4 today |
| 21:46.10 | jaimono | wols, http://rafb.net/p/Ni0a7m78.html |
| 21:46.12 | anomic | i didn't lie. i've installed xserver-xorg |
| 21:46.19 | pickcoder | wols: apt-file doesn't find it |
| 21:46.24 | anomic | i also have xfonts-base and its dependencies |
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| 21:46.25 | dante_2core | and ever since, my mx1000 that worked with evdev before won't work anymore |
| 21:46.25 | pickcoder | I just searched |
| 21:46.27 | wols | anomic: did I say xserver-xorg? no I did no. learn to read |
| 21:46.36 | dante_2core | all there is in the Xorg log is...: |
| 21:46.43 | dante_2core | (EE) mx1000: cannot open input pEvdev |
| 21:46.46 | infinity0 | wols: jeez chill out not everyone knows everything about debian :/ |
| 21:46.56 | anomic | no, no. it's okay |
| 21:46.57 | wols | anomic: dpkg -l xfonts-base |tail -1 |
| 21:47.04 | anomic | if i'm stupid, i might as well get told |
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| 21:47.18 | wols | infinity0: he said he searched. and he certainly provably didn't. he lied |
| 21:47.28 | dante_2core | it seems to me that xorg won't use evdev anymore for my usbmouse |
| 21:47.30 | dante_2core | for whatever reason |
| 21:47.34 | anomic | wols: that returns xfonts-base, and nothing else |
| 21:47.50 | wols | pickcoder: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pidstat&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
| 21:47.52 | jaimono | wols, I know how to resolve the 'couldn't find "WS11UPH.bin"' problem, does it says how? |
| 21:47.58 | wols | anomic: I want the full line please |
| 21:48.11 | pickcoder | wols: hm.. maybe apt-file is b0rked |
| 21:48.37 | anomic | ii xfonts-base 1:1.0.0-4 standard fonts for X |
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| 21:48.56 | dante_2core | if anyone is willing to help, i can pastebin my xorg.conf if you want me to |
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| 21:49.16 | wols | jaimono: what debian version? |
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| 21:49.21 | pickcoder | ah.. |
| 21:49.25 | pickcoder | it's not in Etch |
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| 21:49.52 | tokemm | Hello all, I did: #ffmpeg -i film.avi -target pal-dvd film.mpg and then it appeared: Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0 |
| 21:49.54 | wols | anomic: install the various fonts files? if necessary reinstall them. there are fonts in there |
| 21:50.03 | tokemm | could anyone help me ? i'm noob on ffmpg |
| 21:50.09 | pickcoder | kspath: it's only in lenny and sid |
| 21:50.15 | DocPlatypus | tokemm: usually means that AVI uses something ffmpeg doesn't grok |
| 21:50.25 | jaimono | wols, I'm using lenny |
| 21:51.06 | wols | jaimono: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zd1211&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 21:51.18 | broken | Ok wols i've just installed debina however.. is there a package for the touchpad? Mine is going slow and its not sensitive at all. |
| 21:51.24 | wols | jaimono: you sure ndiswrapper is necessary and that package doesn't support your hardware? |
| 21:51.31 | anomic | wols: i grabbed the xorg metapackage. that grabbed xfonts-scalable, xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi. same error, though |
| 21:51.33 | kspath | pickcoder: that is why, I took a note on all useful tools while I had sid installed |
| 21:51.39 | kspath | pickcoder: thank you very much! |
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| 21:51.50 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 21:52.01 | ttuttle | I'm booted into Damn Small Linux off a thumbdrive. Is there any way I can install Debian from there? |
| 21:52.01 | kspath | pickcoder: you are awesome |
| 21:52.08 | kspath | pickcoder++ |
| 21:52.10 | wols | ttuttle: debootstrap |
| 21:52.16 | wols | !tell ttuttle about debootstrap |
| 21:52.28 | ttuttle | wols: thanks |
| 21:52.31 | tokemm | so how can I convert this film ? |
| 21:52.32 | tokemm | =P |
| 21:52.48 | jaimono | wols, I'll try that I was googling it and the only choice I found was ndiswrapper |
| 21:52.52 | dante_2core | anyone? :( |
| 21:52.56 | pickcoder | broken: what kind of touchpad is it? |
| 21:52.56 | wols | anomic: I already told you what to do |
| 21:53.14 | broken | pickcoder: not quite sure i did see it pcikup on a compaq touchpad during boot up, b ut its a toshiba laptop. |
| 21:53.23 | anomic | wols: i'm not sure whatever other font files i need... |
| 21:53.30 | ttuttle | Wow, a Debian package for installing Debian. That's about as helpful as a Lisp compiler written in Lisp. So how do I get it not as a .deb? |
| 21:53.59 | infernix | when I issue a reboot/shutdown from within a chroot, init complains that it can't determine runlevel and goes off doing a soft reboot. does anyone know what to do about it? I understand the issue - init isn't ran from within the chroot - but what to do, kill init and start it in the chroot? |
| 21:54.10 | DocPlatypus | not to nitpick but sometimes a Lisp compiler written in Lisp is actually useful, when you already have e.g. a Lisp interpeter |
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| 21:54.19 | jaimono | wols, 0457:0163 isn't listed in the supported devices while it is in ndiswrapper but i'll try anyway |
| 21:54.21 | infernix | somehow i get the feeling that killing init is not going to help :p |
| 21:54.59 | pickcoder | broken: there's several synaptics touchpad config tools available. the name varies based on the desktop you are running |
| 21:55.03 | wols | anomic: I told you the ones you need. amybe reinstall the packages explictly with dpkg, I don't care. /usr/share/fonts/ must be there for X |
| 21:55.10 | wols | anomic: are you running Sid? |
| 21:55.10 | broken | pickcoder: i am running gnome. |
| 21:55.18 | pickcoder | gsynaptics |
| 21:55.36 | anomic | wols: lenny, with some stuff from etch |
| 21:55.58 | anomic | more other way around, really |
| 21:56.01 | wols | anomic: run either or. NOT both. never ever mix |
| 21:56.04 | stew | anomic: 'fixed' is in xfonts-base, if it can't find fixed, try "aptitude reinstall xfonts-base' if it still can't, try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 21:56.08 | wols | !tell anomic about bobbitt |
| 21:56.21 | stew | wols: what is wrong with installin etch packages onto lenny? |
| 21:56.33 | wols | stew: his Xorg log http://pastebin.ca/703887 |
| 21:56.54 | pickcoder | infernix: why are you trying to reboot the machine from a chroot anyway? |
| 21:56.59 | anomic | stew: i'm told that /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc doesn't exist |
| 21:57.09 | stew | wols: it can't find the font becuase of an etch package? |
| 21:57.11 | pickcoder | can you not access the root fs and do it? |
| 21:57.17 | infernix | pickcoder: chrooting in a cryptsetup, so i'd prefer not. |
| 21:57.29 | wols | stew: no. it has no fonst installed. or not directories for the fonts apparently |
| 21:57.30 | stew | anomic: its normal for it not to exist |
| 21:57.31 | pickcoder | oh.. that's outside my scope |
| 21:57.37 | wols | and mixing etch and lenny is a bad idea, imho |
| 21:57.38 | dante_2core | never mind... I solved it myself ^^ |
| 21:57.42 | dante_2core | wols, true. |
| 21:57.44 | anomic | stew: it's not created by the installation, either |
| 21:57.48 | infernix | pickcoder: basically the initial boot system is an oversized initrd. chrooting works fine and all but I don't know how to handle init |
| 21:57.53 | stew | wols: yes, as you've said, i'm asking why? |
| 21:58.03 | anomic | wols: i'll reinstall and keep strictly to etch, if that will fix my problem... |
| 21:58.13 | stew | anomic: yes, that is normal for it not to be created |
| 21:58.21 | wols | cause it mixes libc's for example |
| 21:58.29 | wols | as usual when you mix two debian versions |
| 21:58.29 | stew | wols: how does it mix libcs? |
| 21:58.52 | wols | if I install etch and then something from lenny it usually drags in the lenny support libs |
| 21:58.58 | wols | like libc6 |
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| 21:59.43 | wols | stew: so should we now abandong simple sid backports and say "just apt-pin it" when someone wants to run something from sid? |
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| 21:59.44 | stew | wols: yeah, but we aren't talking about install a lenny package onto etch, but an etch package onto lenny |
| 21:59.54 | stew | wols: certainly not |
| 22:00.00 | anomic | wols: as far as i could find online, there are problems with installing nvidia the debian way in lenny |
| 22:00.04 | anomic | should i stick to etch, then? |
| 22:00.10 | wols | < anomic> wols: lenny, with some stuff from etch < anomic> more other way around, really |
| 22:00.22 | stew | oh, i didn't see the other way around |
| 22:00.25 | wols | anomic: depends on your kernel afaik |
| 22:00.27 | anomic | stew: i'm running 2.6.18-k-k7 |
| 22:00.44 | stew | anomic: your kenrel has nothing to do with why x can't find fonts |
| 22:00.47 | anomic | uh, 5-k7 |
| 22:00.52 | wols | anomic: that kernel should run fine with lenny nvidia packages |
| 22:00.55 | wols | it's the ethc kernel |
| 22:01.25 | stew | anomic: running lenny packages on etch is a bad idea though |
| 22:01.26 | anomic | as far as i can tell, there aren't any lenny nvidia packages |
| 22:01.29 | wols | anomic: you can run lenny just fine, but stick to one of them. lenny OR etch. and if you want packages from enny, do or use a backport |
| 22:01.31 | anomic | there are etch and sid packages, but not lenny |
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| 22:01.58 | stew | what does nvidia have to do with the font problem? or have we moved on? |
| 22:02.02 | wols | then you'd need sid backports of them. the nvidia sid source packages should work. just a bigger hassle to install them |
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| 22:02.14 | wols | stew: the nvidia problem was his inital one |
| 22:02.25 | anomic | wols: so, bottom line, stick to etch? |
| 22:02.29 | wols | anomic: stew is right. first fix your fonts, THEN fix the driver |
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| 22:02.46 | wols | maybe upgrade to lenny, except your kernels. stay with 2.6.18 |
| 22:02.47 | CBG` | Hi.. I am trying to share the wifi connection from my imac, to which my ibook (running debian) is now plugged into via ethernet cable... Is this possible? :) |
| 22:03.09 | cloakable | yes |
| 22:03.10 | wols | CBG`: the debian side can do it fine. for the mac osx part we don't know and don't care |
| 22:03.18 | cloakable | hehehehe |
| 22:03.41 | CBG` | my imac has "connection sharing" on... how can I set it to work on the debian side? :) |
| 22:03.55 | wols | simply use a DHCP cnntion or set the IP manually |
| 22:03.57 | anomic | wols: okay. i'm still not sure how to fix my fonts. i've reinstalled xfonts-base and i've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:04.01 | bobfarrell | CBG`: just set your gateway to the IP of your mac. |
| 22:04.04 | stew | CBG`: install wireless-tools ; man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 22:04.13 | bobfarrell | If it's got dhcp, type # dhclient |
| 22:04.14 | wols | anomic:I'd dist-upgrade to lenny. |
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| 22:04.22 | anomic | wols: okay. except the kernel, then? |
| 22:04.29 | troubled | anomic: are your fonts messed up for just one user? |
| 22:04.47 | wols | stew: his ibook is connected via ethernet to the imac using the wlan. or so he says. no wireless-tools anywhere |
| 22:04.48 | stew | troubled: can't start x becuase it isn't finding 'fixed' |
| 22:04.51 | bobfarrell | CBG`: is your wireless adapter on and working? |
| 22:04.53 | CBG` | stew: install: missing destination file operand after 'wireless-tools' :( |
| 22:04.56 | troubled | stew: ah |
| 22:05.00 | anomic | troubled: i'm trying to run startx as root, for now |
| 22:05.01 | CBG` | bobfarrell: my router.. or? |
| 22:05.10 | bobfarrell | CBG`: on your debian box. |
| 22:05.16 | thechef | lately i had a problem with beryl i said, seems that this problem is no more, i had some messed up beryl-managerrc files, i deleted them, now both beryl and the manager behave more stable, no longer problems with Qt Designer Qt Dropdown Menu. Now I wonder why these files were messed up and how they could have influence on beryl itself. (probably the nvidia drivers..) |
| 22:05.18 | bobfarrell | Oh, sorry, ignore that. |
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| 22:05.24 | wols | bobfarrell: which is connected via ethernet. why wireless tools? |
| 22:05.27 | bobfarrell | Your debian's connected by ethernet cable? |
| 22:05.37 | bobfarrell | Yeah, my mistake. |
| 22:05.42 | CBG` | yes. to my imac which is connected to the router via wifi... ;) |
| 22:05.43 | bobfarrell | I meant is your network adapter working on your debian box. |
| 22:05.50 | wols | thechef: ask the guys who packaged your beryl drivers. no us :) |
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| 22:06.12 | wols | CBG`: /sbin/ifconfig -a DOes a eth0 show? |
| 22:06.17 | wols | does it have an IP? |
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| 22:06.37 | DexterF | !backports |
| 22:06.37 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 22:06.53 | DexterF | !simple sid backport |
| 22:06.53 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 22:07.46 | CBG` | wols: yes there is an eth0 (also an eth1, eth2 and an lo - when I connected the machines with the ethernet cable, debian said "eth1 connected...") but no IP that I can see, on any of them |
| 22:08.04 | billy | hi, i need to mount a floppy disk in order to place a bootable dos image. what type to i mount it as, or is this possible (ie to mount, format and write a does image to a floopp |
| 22:08.07 | billy | y |
| 22:08.08 | billy | 0 |
| 22:08.20 | billy | sorry, lost it there for a minute |
| 22:08.25 | wols | CBG`: dhclient eth1 |
| 22:08.28 | bobfarrell | CBG`: find out the local IP for your Mac, then set the gateway on your debian box to that IP and then try dhclient eth1 |
| 22:08.48 | jaimono | wols, no I dind't worked neither with zd1211 nor with zd1211rw. What does the text says anyway? |
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| 22:09.17 | wols | it says the guy can't find his firmware (the .bin) file and is at his wits end |
| 22:09.37 | CBG` | wols, bobfarrell: you guys want all the output from dhclient eth1 ? |
| 22:09.50 | bobfarrell | Well, does it say it's assigned an IP? |
| 22:09.52 | wols | CBG`: not really |
| 22:10.05 | wols | CBG`: we want you to tell us "it wokred! thanks!" :) |
| 22:10.19 | bobfarrell | Hehe. |
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| 22:10.31 | CBG` | DHCPOFFER from 192.168.2.1 ? |
| 22:10.40 | bobfarrell | Looking good so far. |
| 22:10.43 | bobfarrell | Try ifconfig now. |
| 22:10.59 | CBG` | Ok, but that's the wrong IP fyi. |
| 22:11.15 | bobfarrell | The wrong IP? |
| 22:11.17 | wols | CBG`: what is wrong? what IP does your mac have? |
| 22:11.24 | CBG` | eth1 has IPs now, but wrong still |
| 22:11.29 | DexterF | so let's say I have a lenny deb-src in sources.list to backport stuff. I want to pull the kernel source. how do I search for the deb-src package name? |
| 22:11.33 | CBG` | the imac is ip 192.168.1.10 |
| 22:11.45 | wols | DexterF: linux-source is what you want |
| 22:11.47 | bobfarrell | How many computers are you connected to? |
| 22:12.01 | wols | bobfarrell: he's doing a double NAT |
| 22:12.06 | bobfarrell | Oh. |
| 22:12.09 | DexterF | wols: just "apt-get install source linux-source"? |
| 22:12.34 | wols | DexterF: apt-cache search it first. kernel sources have version numbers as part of the name |
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| 22:12.46 | DexterF | mkay |
| 22:12.50 | wols | DexterF: or check pdo |
| 22:13.02 | DexterF | !pdo |
| 22:13.02 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 22:13.04 | CBG` | bobfarrell: from the debian machine? just the one. but also connected to an ext. HD (with 2 partitions, one is bootable) via firewire, if that explains the eth3 or somethig... |
| 22:13.05 | DexterF | ah |
| 22:13.27 | wols | can you please answer? |
| 22:13.42 | wols | also, does your OSX have a DHCP server of its own? |
| 22:14.23 | CBG` | uh, not that I am aware of |
| 22:14.51 | troubled | wols: almost reminds me of vmware double dhcpd issue |
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| 22:15.23 | wols | troubled: me too. I thought dhcp wasn't routable? |
| 22:15.42 | troubled | wols: its not, its broadcast packet |
| 22:15.52 | wols | specially not over nat.... of course OSX could have a very shitty NAT implementation. the rest of their networking software is equally shitty |
| 22:16.04 | anomic | ARGH |
| 22:16.05 | Vasistha | egad, why am I only getting 640x480? I must have an xorg.conf problem. ugh. |
| 22:16.06 | anomic | god fucking damn it |
| 22:16.07 | troubled | unless they are on the same switch then it should be to one subnet |
| 22:16.22 | anomic | wols: now it can't even find the fucking glx module |
| 22:16.25 | CBG` | can I just set the eth1 IP manually in ifconfig? |
| 22:16.30 | biz | hi, i want to build a statically linked version of gnujump. i have all dev packages and the source package installed. is CCFLAGS=-static make enough? |
| 22:16.45 | wols | router via wifi to imag to ibook via ethernet. doubt they have a switch that can deal with it |
| 22:17.06 | wols | anomic: via apt-cache? |
| 22:17.06 | stew | troubled: its multicast, which is routable |
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| 22:17.25 | troubled | stew: dhcp? |
| 22:17.25 | anomic | wols: xorg tells me it can't find the glx module, when i try to startx |
| 22:17.29 | stew | yeah |
| 22:17.45 | stew | you send a packet to 255.255.255.255 which is a multicast ip address |
| 22:17.47 | troubled | stew: always thought it was sent out to 255.255.255.255 |
| 22:17.47 | wols | anomic: debian nvidia glx or nvidia.com glx? |
| 22:17.51 | fasta | Is it possible to kill another user's processes somehow? I am asking, since I think that's happening to me. |
| 22:17.54 | jaimono | ok wols thanks a lot, I'll try to make it work later now i've to go |
| 22:17.56 | stew | troubled: yes |
| 22:17.58 | anomic | wols: i have no idea anymore |
| 22:18.03 | anomic | i should just wipe everything and start over |
| 22:18.06 | fasta | (as non-root) |
| 22:18.11 | wols | fasta: only root can. or if you run out of memory. then random processes get axed |
| 22:18.13 | troubled | stew: i thought multicast was onlt 224? |
| 22:18.46 | jaimono | can I convert a firmware file made for linux like the ones for zd1211 to a .bin file for xp and use it with ndiswrapper? |
| 22:18.48 | fasta | wols: so, if you want to kick people of a machine, you forkbomb is and it's yours? |
| 22:18.54 | wols | anomic: dpkg -l |grep nvidia if there are "ii" in first column, it's debian, if not: not. but you can for testing easily use nv and you actually should |
| 22:18.56 | fasta | wols: it* |
| 22:18.57 | wols | less things to go wrong |
| 22:19.00 | stew | troubled: hmm, maybe you are right |
| 22:19.12 | fasta | wols: any way to see whether that happened recently? |
| 22:19.16 | troubled | stew: plus multicast you have to subscribe to no? |
| 22:19.23 | wols | fasta: syslog and or dmesg should tell you |
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| 22:20.04 | stew | troubled: multicast is more than just 224.0.0.0/8 but i guess its not as big as /5 |
| 22:20.57 | fasta | wols: I have no permission to see those files... thanks to the system admins... |
| 22:21.14 | fasta | wols: as if the machines would be more secure in that way. |
| 22:21.32 | CBG` | to recap: debian on ibook, connected via eth1 to OS X imac which has internet sharing enabled and is online via wifi to router. ifconfig has IPs for eth1 now but they are wrong (inet addr 192.168.2.2 Bcast 192.168.2.255 Mask 0) (Mask may be right, but as far as I know, no 192.168.2.* addresses are in use on my network). Any ideas? |
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| 22:21.45 | wols | it is. uses have no business with kernel logs or syslog |
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| 22:21.49 | wols | debian sets it up that way |
| 22:21.59 | wols | well, not dmesg. but syslog |
| 22:22.26 | wols | CBG`: I asked you something |
| 22:22.29 | stew | troubled: 224.0.0.0/4 which is up to 239.255.255.255 |
| 22:22.34 | dalias | logs often end up containing mistyped passwords |
| 22:22.44 | dalias | when a user enters a password where they meant to type a username |
| 22:22.46 | CBG` | wols: oh, sorry. must have missed it. can you repeat please? :) |
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| 22:22.55 | stew | and i can't multiply by two today |
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| 22:23.24 | wols | CBG`: imac ethernet ip address |
| 22:23.50 | wols | stew: for hard problems like multiplication, man invented computers! :) |
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| 22:24.21 | stew | and for calculation of hostmasks, he invented ipcalc |
| 22:24.29 | Ronin | and for basic problems we have 21 digits to use |
| 22:24.29 | CBG` | ah, wols: 169.254.113.74 |
| 22:24.40 | stew | zeroconf |
| 22:24.43 | stew | to the rescue |
| 22:25.34 | wols | CBG`: that means there is IP set there. at all. Ask some mac channel what to do |
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| 22:26.19 | CBG` | wols: I don't understand... |
| 22:26.29 | wols | CBG`: for debian, the connection is a connection lik any other and can be configured with /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces). Try DHCP first, if that doesn't work: static IP |
| 22:26.48 | Kevin` | CBG` did you ever type in that ip? possible there' |
| 22:26.52 | wols | the IP you told is is the one set when the interface can't get an IP via DHCP |
| 22:26.53 | Kevin` | s a rogue dhcp server? |
| 22:27.05 | CBG` | I don't understand "that means there is IP set there. at all." |
| 22:27.09 | stew | Kevin`: its zeroconf |
| 22:27.10 | wols | CBG`: but: this is NOT a dbeian problem but a OSX one. it's OT here |
| 22:27.17 | Kevin` | 169.255 is apipa |
| 22:27.20 | Kevin` | 254* |
| 22:27.20 | stew | its not a propblem |
| 22:27.30 | Kevin` | I remember him saying 192.168.2/24 though |
| 22:27.30 | wols | stew: it still is not a debian problem either |
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| 22:27.44 | stew | wols: yeah, since it isn't a problem at all |
| 22:27.49 | CBG` | I never typed the 169.254... IP in anywhere but here |
| 22:27.51 | Kevin` | CBG` this problem is while your in osx? |
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| 22:28.06 | CBG` | so, it is not possible to get my debian machine online with the current situation on my OS X machine? |
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| 22:28.21 | CBG` | Kevin`: I am in OS X on imac and debian on iBook |
| 22:28.23 | Kevin` | CBG` how do you normally get online |
| 22:28.35 | wols | stew: shouldn't OSX assign a valid IP as soon as the nat goes up (in case some inferior OS without zeroconf needs to be used?) |
| 22:28.37 | CBG` | on OS X, wifi. |
| 22:28.44 | Kevin` | "not possible" is rather strong |
| 22:28.56 | Kevin` | CBG` do you have the wifi working in linux? |
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| 22:29.05 | Kevin` | does it scan and find aps |
| 22:29.08 | Kevin` | connect to things |
| 22:29.08 | Kevin` | etc |
| 22:29.22 | stew | wols: i don't know, but i don't know why he couldn't use the zeroconf address (assuming everything else was setup) |
| 22:29.30 | CBG` | no, Kevin`. the debian install is just the BASE install from the netinst CD. I am trying to get online to download stuff :) |
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| 22:29.48 | Kevin` | CBG` what wireless chipset is it? |
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| 22:29.55 | Kevin` | mac has used a few |
| 22:30.10 | wols | CBG`: Imho: set a static address on both, your imac ethernet and ibook ethernet and be done with it |
| 22:30.15 | wols | unless OSX doesn't support that... |
| 22:30.32 | Kevin` | he wants to connect to the internet THROUGH the imac? |
| 22:30.43 | CBG` | Kevin`: is this what you want? Broadcom BCM43xx ? |
| 22:30.48 | wols | Kevin`: yes |
| 22:30.58 | Kevin` | CBG` yes. unfortunate you have that chipset, but it should work |
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| 22:31.18 | Kevin` | CBG` do you have ip routing, dhcp, nat enabled on the imac? |
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| 22:32.03 | Kevin` | CBG` or just forwarding and nat if you are using static |
| 22:32.21 | CBG` | my imac uses dhcp to connect to router on wifi |
| 22:32.31 | Kevin` | CBG` is it offering dhcp on the ethernet? |
| 22:32.39 | Mahdy | i want to have auto mounting for vcds how can do that? |
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| 22:32.53 | CBG` | yes, it is using dhcp for ethernet too |
| 22:32.54 | Kevin` | vcds don't have a filesystem |
| 22:33.04 | Kevin` | CBG` I mean as a host, not client |
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| 22:33.15 | CBG` | uh, no idea. :| |
| 22:33.15 | Kevin` | CBG` since you want the ibook to use it for internet |
| 22:33.26 | Kevin` | CBG` off to the osx channel with you, ask them how to do nat and such |
| 22:33.32 | CBG` | I enabled "Internet sharing" on the imac |
| 22:33.37 | exobyte | is there a way to log what processes a binary I run execed? Basically, save the results from a bunch of "ps" calls, but without the gaps |
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| 22:33.55 | DocPlatypus | exobyte: strace? |
| 22:33.56 | Kevin` | CBG` ok, assuming you did that correctly, what happens on the ibook when you do dhclient eth0 |
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| 22:34.07 | Mahdy | i know that Kevin but i can mount them with cdfs |
| 22:34.24 | CBG` | Kevin`: the ethernet link from ibook to imac is eth1. want me to try that or eth0? |
| 22:34.33 | Kevin` | Mahdy what does that do? i'd expect to just play the cd directly with a media player |
| 22:34.43 | wols | Kevin`: huh? I can mount a vcd and see files on it... |
| 22:34.51 | Kevin` | CBG` eth1 of course, what's eth0, wireless? |
| 22:34.59 | exobyte | DocPlatypus: do I need root permissions for it? |
| 22:35.09 | DocPlatypus | you shouldn't |
| 22:35.18 | CBG` | I don't know. a USB or firewire external... |
| 22:35.23 | Mahdy | Kevin`: i wanna copy them just like xp |
| 22:35.41 | Mahdy | with nautilu |
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| 22:36.13 | Kevin` | I thought a vcd is a raw track of video, dvd (which can be put on a cd) is iso9660/udf |
| 22:36.20 | Kevin` | that's what I remember, at least |
| 22:36.25 | Kevin` | *shrug* |
| 22:36.59 | Kevin` | if it has a normal iso filesystem (don't call it cdfs please), it should automount the same as a data cd |
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| 22:37.47 | Kevin` | CBG` well, what happens with eth1? |
| 22:38.15 | CBG` | Kevin`: http://rafb.net/p/By7UwE70.html |
| 22:38.22 | Kevin` | ugh |
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| 22:38.29 | Kevin` | I have to start a web browser now |
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| 22:38.56 | bobfarrell | w3m! |
| 22:39.05 | Mahdy | Kevin`: CDfs is a file system for Linux systems that `exports' all tracks and boot images on a CD as normal files. |
| 22:39.08 | CBG` | sorry... dunno what info you need and don't want to spam here |
| 22:39.25 | wols | c |
| 22:39.30 | wols | !tell CBG` about paste |
| 22:39.37 | stew | why? |
| 22:39.39 | Kevin` | Mahdy ah, ok. microsoft calls iso9660 "cdfs", I thought you meant that |
| 22:40.05 | CBG` | wols: I already did that.... |
| 22:40.11 | Kevin` | CBG` oh, ok. osx probably chose 192.168.2.0/24 for the sharing |
| 22:40.14 | Kevin` | CBG` does it work? |
| 22:40.21 | Mahdy | i can mount my vcds just as data cds with this file system and copy tracks with nautilus |
| 22:40.22 | CBG` | does what work? |
| 22:40.26 | Kevin` | CBG` internet |
| 22:41.44 | CBG` | Kevin`: wow. seems to :D |
| 22:42.07 | Kevin` | CBG` do you know already how to make the wireless work? |
| 22:42.35 | Mahdy | i want run this command : "mount -t cdfs -o ro /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdfs" automatically when a vcd inserted |
| 22:42.38 | CBG` | would the netinst install process have automatically downloaded an installed some useful stuff for me had I setup the network stuff before that step in the install? if so, can I make it do that now? |
| 22:43.03 | CBG` | Kevin`: nope, I can look around for more info though, if you'd prefer not to walk me through it |
| 22:43.15 | Kevin` | CBG` yes, it would have. not sure, I think you can, I would just use apt-get |
| 22:43.25 | Kevin` | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 22:43.26 | dpkg | from memory, bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool used to extract firmware from BCM43xx driver files. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package will optionally download, extract and install this firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). This package is in <contrib>. |
| 22:43.43 | CBG` | Kevin`: hmm, any ideas what it would have installed? |
| 22:43.51 | Kevin` | CBG` minimal stuff |
| 22:44.26 | Kevin` | CBG` or do you mean if you did the install fully? |
| 22:45.15 | CBG` | there was a point in the install where it said "base install complete... do you want to now download and install some software automatically?" I said no cause I didn't have a connection, of course. |
| 22:45.21 | Kevin` | CBG` if you go through the whole process you get a menu with default sets of packages to install, "standard system", "desktop", "laptop", etc |
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| 22:45.47 | CBG` | ah, I chose laptop at that point, iirc |
| 22:46.09 | stew | CBG`: you can repeat that part of the install by running "tasksel" |
| 22:46.12 | Kevin` | of course that would only get installed if you had networking working |
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| 22:47.15 | Kevin` | CBG` if you are moderately familiar with linux my suggestion is use standard system and install things later when you want them (like a gui and login screen) |
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| 22:47.35 | Kevin` | manually, not with tasksel |
| 22:47.49 | CBG` | ah, ok |
| 22:47.51 | CBG` | Kevin`: I am somewhat familiar with linux, through SSH. never set up my own system before though |
| 22:47.53 | CBG` | I would like a GUI. that much is true :D |
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| 22:48.08 | Kevin` | apt-get install xorg gdm fluxbox |
| 22:48.11 | Kevin` | if you were me and liked that |
| 22:48.37 | Kevin` | is it xorg or x-window-system, now |
| 22:48.40 | CBG` | gnome? kde? hmmm |
| 22:48.42 | Kevin` | I have a feeling both work |
| 22:48.43 | wols | Kevin`: CBG` how much ram on your ibook? |
| 22:48.56 | CBG` | 768MB iirc |
| 22:49.05 | CBG` | only 5GB HD space for debian though |
| 22:49.07 | Kevin` | CBG` I don't like gnome and kde when I can avoid them, too big, but nothing prevents you from installing them the same way |
| 22:49.10 | Kevin` | 'gnome' |
| 22:49.15 | wols | ok, then both gnome and kde will work fine :) |
| 22:49.20 | Kevin` | 'gnome' and 'kde' install a lot of extra stuff though |
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| 22:50.18 | CBG` | how much HD space we are talking about? less than a Gig, right? |
| 22:51.13 | Kevin` | CBG` i'd check but I don't have a system running with those installed now. you should be ok, but 5gb is rather tight IMO |
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| 22:51.49 | CBG` | yeah I know :( |
| 22:51.52 | Kevin` | j ##windows |
| 22:51.55 | Kevin` | erm |
| 22:51.56 | cloakable | Kevin`: If you're using testing or above, 'apt-get install xorg slim fluxbox' would work better |
| 22:51.57 | cloakable | :P |
| 22:51.58 | Kevin` | forgot the / |
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| 22:52.16 | Kevin` | cloakable 'slim' is a login manager? |
| 22:52.20 | cloakable | Yes |
| 22:52.22 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 22:52.27 | cloakable | A very light one. |
| 22:52.28 | Kevin` | i'll write that down |
| 22:52.42 | cloakable | As light as XDM, but much prettier :P |
| 22:52.46 | anomic | i'm beginning to think this just doesn't want to work |
| 22:52.50 | protoloko | Wehn the user nobody... some Daemon uses it ?? |
| 22:53.00 | maddash | what? another desktop manager? |
| 22:53.17 | anomic | wols: i've reinstalled, upgraded to lenny (except kernel), and installed the xorg metapackage. that's all i've done for now |
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| 22:53.30 | anomic | i try to start x, using the nv drivers, and it gives me a black screen |
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| 22:53.44 | anomic | i'll upload the log... |
| 22:53.45 | thelostbutler | hello folks, apt-cache show python-mysqldb | grep Python-Version shows Python-Version: 2.4, 2.3, how would i recompile python-mysqldb to work with python2.5. i downloaded the source from the apt-repository, but not not quite sure what to do |
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| 22:54.24 | stew | thelostbutler: is there a debian/pyversions file? |
| 22:55.14 | anomic | wols: pastebin.ca/703955 |
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| 22:56.42 | thelostbutler | stew: no |
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| 22:57.22 | stew | thelostbutler: look for some PYVERSION or something variable in debian/rules |
| 22:57.41 | anomic | wols: also, my xorg.conf, if you want it: pastebin.ca/703958 |
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| 22:59.55 | thelostbutler | stew: ok. PYVERS=$(shell pyversions -r) pyversions returns 2.4 |
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| 23:00.24 | mcbane | hi |
| 23:01.27 | stew | thelostbutler: which version of python-msyqldb are you looking at? |
| 23:02.10 | stew | thelostbutler: does it build-depend on python-dev-all? |
| 23:02.10 | thelostbutler | stew: Version: 1.2.1-p2-4 |
| 23:03.11 | thelostbutler | stew: how do i check that ? |
| 23:03.30 | thelostbutler | stew: i checked the control file yes it does |
| 23:03.31 | stew | thelostbutler: what is in "Build-Depends:" line in the first stanze of the debian/control file |
| 23:03.35 | mcbane | I am administrating a server for a students hostel with 300 parties. We had a nice Debian Server in the cellar. 2 Months ago it got drowned in water. I was able to retrieve an image of the hd. Now I have put this image on a brand new computter hardware. Nearly nothing is the same. Of course there are now many errors at startup (I was very reliefed that it bootet anyway). Many things don't work. How do I get started. Is there a guid? |
| 23:03.41 | nvz_ | you wanna know what's aggrivating.. I get home and my damn mouse isnt working for some reason and I can't get it to connect with synergy so I can use the laptop touchpad either.. ugh |
| 23:03.46 | thelostbutler | stew: python-all-dev (>= 2.3.5-11 |
| 23:04.32 | stew | thelostbutler: is python2.5-dev installed? |
| 23:04.41 | wols | mcbane: we can't help unless you tell us the exact error(s) |
| 23:04.45 | nvz_ | ugh apparently my system rebooted at some point while I was gone and I never noticed it... its not running the debian kernel its running some messed up one I made a long time ago |
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| 23:05.14 | maddash | slim uses 6M more pmem than xdm after login. how is that "about the same"? |
| 23:05.17 | thelostbutler | stew: i installed it now |
| 23:05.27 | stew | thelostbutler: check "pyversions -r" again |
| 23:05.29 | mcbane | wols: for the starters: There is a onboard lan adapter, which is not recognized. How can I fix this? |
| 23:05.44 | wols | mcbane: what chip on that onboard lan? |
| 23:05.54 | thelostbutler | stew: # pyversions -r |
| 23:05.54 | thelostbutler | pyversions: error parsing Python-Version attribute |
| 23:05.54 | thelostbutler | eglog410:~/pyth |
| 23:05.56 | wols | mcbane: also: ifconfig -a |
| 23:06.01 | thelostbutler | oops |
| 23:06.04 | thelostbutler | sorry didn't mean to flood |
| 23:06.10 | stew | thelostbutler: you have to do it in the package directory, not package/debian direcotry |
| 23:06.25 | mcbane | wols: knoppix did recognize it. could I retrieve the chipset info there? |
| 23:06.53 | thelostbutler | stew: returns 2.4 |
| 23:06.56 | stew | hrm |
| 23:07.10 | namit | wols: what? |
| 23:07.43 | wols | mcbane: lspci and ifconfig -a |
| 23:07.48 | CBG` | apt-get can't find "kde". "apt-get search kde" doesn't help either... any ideas? :) |
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| 23:08.08 | wols | namit: should have been anomic |
| 23:08.29 | thelostbutler | stew: does it matter that /usr/bin/python is pointing to python2.4 ? |
| 23:08.30 | stew | thelostbutler: does creating a debian/pyversions with a single line "2.4-" change that? |
| 23:08.34 | stew | thelostbutler: no |
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| 23:08.53 | nvz | horray for an easy solution to the problem |
| 23:09.14 | nvz | I really should remove that kernel when I know damn well it doesnt work and its my default boot choice |
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| 23:09.37 | ttuttle | debbootstrap is a PITA. Why build a utility like that that needs to be installed? |
| 23:09.38 | ioerror | Has anyone recently used debtakeover on a centos 5 system? |
| 23:09.45 | ttuttle | I can't install it on a bootdisc! |
| 23:10.11 | wols | debootstrap is there so you can install debian from a running linux system |
| 23:10.16 | thelostbutler | cat debian/pyversions : 2.4- pyversions -r : python2.4 |
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| 23:10.32 | ttuttle | Er, it is *running*. It just doesn't have a toolchain or a package manager. (It's Damn Small Linux.) |
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| 23:11.09 | wols | I don#t think you need either for debootstrap |
| 23:11.12 | stew | thelostbutler: hmm, i don't know where pyversions gets that. you could use a newer version of the package |
| 23:11.17 | ttuttle | wols: Er, make? |
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| 23:11.23 | ttuttle | wols: How can I install it without make install? |
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| 23:11.32 | anomic | wols: did you see those last logs? |
| 23:11.52 | efaistos_ | does someone knows how xmodmap works exactly ? |
| 23:11.56 | efaistos_ | i have a xmodmap with that kind of line by example : keycode 10 = ampersand 1 bar brokenbar |
| 23:11.59 | efaistos_ | what keys I have to press ? |
| 23:12.10 | stew | thelostbutler: debootstrap is a shell script |
| 23:12.13 | stew | ttuttle: ^^^ |
| 23:12.14 | efaistos_ | what keys I have to press to get the last two ? |
| 23:12.33 | |messiah| | I want to know how kill a process that is running I know all the process that is running that I want to kill becouse I do ps aux | grep program |
| 23:12.37 | |messiah| | how can I kill them? |
| 23:12.41 | ttuttle | stew: Er, the first thing I get is "./debootstrap: line 21: /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory |
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| 23:13.00 | ttuttle | stew: And it also expects a devices.tar.gz. |
| 23:13.04 | kspath | am I right that /var/cache/apt/archives contains all packages installed assuming it was not wiped ? |
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| 23:13.13 | ttuttle | stew: It's not *only* the "debootstrap" shell script. It needs support files. |
| 23:13.42 | wols | anomic: set a resolution your TV can actually display. do you have a HDTV? |
| 23:13.48 | Gm4n | ok, I realize this isn't a debian question, but I don't know where else to ask. What's wrong with "find . -name '*.avi' -exec mv {} .\;"? |
| 23:13.59 | thelostbutler | stew: i ran strace on the command . apparently it reads /usr/share/python/debian_defaults . the contents of that file are http://rafb.net/p/Klk1Bn19.html it says 2.5 is unsupported . i guess i can try and add 2.5 to the supported list |
| 23:14.01 | maddash | |messiah|: "kill `pgrep program`" (root if necessary) |
| 23:14.08 | ttuttle | stew: Look, basically I've got a headless box here booted off Damn Small Linux, and I want to install something on it. |
| 23:14.16 | efaistos_ | Gm4n: no space btween the . and backslash ? |
| 23:14.25 | ttuttle | stew: I tried chrooting into Gentoo, but the libraries in Gentoo 2007.0 are incompatible with DSL, and it won't chroot into it. |
| 23:14.42 | Gm4n | bingo, thanks efaistos_! Why does it need a space? |
| 23:14.47 | |messiah| | ok cool maddash |
| 23:14.49 | |messiah| | thanks |
| 23:14.51 | ttuttle | stew: So if there's any easier way to install Debian, let me know. But it needs to be bootable over USB. |
| 23:15.02 | ttuttle | stew: And it can't rely on any keyboard/display interaction. |
| 23:15.07 | efaistos_ | dunno always been like this :) |
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| 23:15.20 | wols | ttuttle: you can put debian itself on usb |
| 23:15.29 | ttuttle | wols: That's not what I want to do |
| 23:15.43 | ttuttle | wols: Or are you saying put it on USB, and then copy it over? |
| 23:15.45 | stew | ttuttle: you can boot a usb key? |
| 23:15.49 | ttuttle | stew: Yeah. |
| 23:15.55 | ttuttle | stew: But it's fickle |
| 23:15.59 | |messiah| | it dosen't work with pgrep, I put ps aux | grep program and I have a lot, if I put pgrep problem I don't get anything.. |
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| 23:16.04 | stew | ttuttle: then put the debian installer on a usb key |
| 23:16.09 | ttuttle | stew: How? |
| 23:16.12 | stew | ttuttle: if you don't have a head on the box, can you install via serial? |
| 23:16.22 | stew | ttuttle: i mean can you get a serial port on the box? |
| 23:16.27 | stew | ttuttle: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 23:16.28 | ttuttle | stew: No, my laptop doesn't have a serial port, and I don't have a USB-serial adapter. |
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| 23:17.05 | stew | ttuttle: so you can boot dsl on this device and what? ssh into it? |
| 23:17.27 | stew | ttuttle: and you can't run 'make' in dsl? |
| 23:17.30 | ttuttle | stew: No. |
| 23:17.40 | ttuttle | stew: |
| 23:17.41 | ttuttle | dsl@ttyp0[debootstrap-0.3.3.2etch1]$ make |
| 23:17.41 | ttuttle | -bash: make: command not found |
| 23:17.51 | stew | ttuttle: and you can't install make on it? |
| 23:18.35 | stew | ttuttle: how do you login to the dsl box? |
| 23:18.36 | thelostbutler | stew: i got pyversions to report 2.5 by changing supported lists in /usr/share/python/debian_default. i am assuming now i should attempt to build the package by dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 23:18.39 | ttuttle | stew: Not easily. I don't want to figure out DSL packaging. |
| 23:18.41 | ttuttle | stew: ssh. |
| 23:18.47 | stew | thelostbutler: yeah |
| 23:18.55 | ttuttle | stew: I remastered it so the dsl user had a known password, so I wouldn't have to log in by hand and set one. |
| 23:18.56 | stew | ttuttle: try "apt-get install make" |
| 23:19.15 | mcbane | wols: lspci tells me the ethernet adapter is a:"Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)". ifconfig -a only outputs the loopback (lo) and a sit0, which says: "Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4" in the first line. So I guess it is not the Realtek adapter ether. |
| 23:19.17 | efaistos_ | nobody for the xmodmap stuff ? |
| 23:19.18 | ttuttle | dsl@ttyp0[debootstrap-0.3.3.2etch1]$ apt-get |
| 23:19.18 | ttuttle | -bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 23:19.27 | ttuttle | stew: Trust me. If it had apt-get, I would've used it. |
| 23:19.32 | ttuttle | stew: This is DSL Embedded. |
| 23:19.44 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:19.47 | ttuttle | stew: Lemme try the USB installer method. Is there a way to rig the installer to run over the network? |
| 23:19.54 | efaistos_ | ttuttle: what distrib ? |
| 23:20.11 | ttuttle | efaistos_: Um, Debian? |
| 23:20.24 | ttuttle | efaistos_: Right now the box has a compromised Gentoo install and DSL on a USB key. |
| 23:20.31 | ttuttle | efaistos_: I'd like it to have Debian on the hard drive. |
| 23:20.31 | anomic | i'm trying to get my geforce fx5200 running on the nv drivers. i've got a fresh install, with only the standard package collection selected (not the desktop environment collection), and the xorg metapackage installed. i get a black screen when i start x. |
| 23:20.50 | anomic | Xorg.0.log: pastebin.ca/703955 |
| 23:21.03 | anomic | xorg.conf: pastebin.ca/703958 |
| 23:21.03 | wols | mcbane: kernel 2.6.18? |
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| 23:21.34 | mcbane | wols: kernel 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 23:21.40 | stew | ttuttle: i believe so, yes, but it isn't going to be easy. you'd have to create a preseeded custom usb d-i that sets up the network |
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| 23:21.54 | ttuttle | stew: Well, modding it to set up the network isn't too hard. |
| 23:21.57 | stew | ttuttle: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 23:22.24 | anomic | stew: do you have any idea what i might need to do? |
| 23:23.01 | ttuttle | Will any of this work with etch? |
| 23:23.32 | ttuttle | WAIT! |
| 23:23.36 | ttuttle | I'm RUNNING Debian! |
| 23:23.47 | ttuttle | I can run debootstrap on THIS machine, install Debian to the USB key, and then boot that! |
| 23:23.47 | stew | you are? |
| 23:23.52 | ttuttle | stew: Yeah, on my laptop. |
| 23:23.58 | wols | anomic: I asked you something. are you using a HDTV? |
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| 23:24.00 | stew | ttuttle: and then what? |
| 23:24.10 | ttuttle | stew: Boot it, and then copy it to the HDD. |
| 23:24.12 | stew | anomic: the problem is that your screen is black |
| 23:24.24 | anomic | amazing |
| 23:24.26 | anomic | tell me more |
| 23:24.34 | dendrite | When using dh_* to build a package, e.g., ./debian/rules, is it customary to invoke various actions just by calling rules with a make target for its argument, e.g., "debian/rules binary", or "debian/rules clean" ? |
| 23:24.38 | stew | anomic: is that your problem? |
| 23:24.39 | ttuttle | stew: Or just leave it booted off the USB key. |
| 23:24.52 | anomic | stew: oh. yes. yes, that is my problem. |
| 23:24.56 | wols | anomic: just to check, do you have me on /ignore? |
| 23:25.05 | anomic | oh, crap |
| 23:25.07 | dendrite | Or is there another typical way... |
| 23:25.10 | anomic | sorry. no, not hdtv. regular tv. |
| 23:25.34 | wols | anomic: a regular TV cannot display 1024x768 obviously. reduce your res |
| 23:25.39 | anomic | aha |
| 23:26.05 | mcbane | wols: wood a newer kernel be of any use? |
| 23:26.25 | wols | mcbane: this is no debian kernel. what OS are you running? |
| 23:26.36 | |messiah| | I want to know how kill a process that is running I know all the process that is running that I want to kill becouse I do ps aux | grep program how can I kill all the jobs? |
| 23:26.46 | anomic | wols: removed 1024x768 from SubSection "Display" Modes. same problem |
| 23:26.52 | wols | |messiah|: kill <pid> |
| 23:27.29 | wols | anomic: only res available should be 640x480 60Hz, nothing else |
| 23:27.30 | maddash | |messiah|: wtf? you asked this before and I answered you |
| 23:27.30 | mcbane | wols: it is defenetly a debian. The kernel is a little older (about 2 years I guess). I looked it up in my /boot directory. Did I retrieve the information the wrong way? |
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| 23:27.36 | wols | whatever your TV standard uses |
| 23:27.40 | |messiah| | yes maddash but it dosen't work |
| 23:27.40 | kspath | Is /var/log/dpkg.log the best source of what packages were installed? |
| 23:27.45 | wols | mcbane: use debian kernel |
| 23:27.48 | |messiah| | I need to kill all process |
| 23:27.58 | Wyzard | mcbane: It looks like a Debian kernel, but an old one, testing or unstable prior to etch's release |
| 23:27.58 | |messiah| | with kill pid I only kill 1 |
| 23:27.59 | wols | |messiah|: then start with it |
| 23:28.01 | maddash | |messiah|: what do you mean "kill all process"? |
| 23:28.15 | Wyzard | mcbane: You should install etch's supported kernel |
| 23:28.21 | wols | kspath: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 23:28.25 | maddash | |messiah|: if you truly want to "kill all process," then pull the damn plug |
| 23:28.26 | mcbane | Wyzard: it was in testing before the release of etch. Thats right |
| 23:28.27 | |messiah| | ok, I run a lot of process with java -c...... |
| 23:28.33 | kspath | wol : thank you |
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| 23:28.36 | maddash | kspath: no, dpkg -l |grep -e "^ii" |
| 23:28.45 | mcbane | ok, I am now installing a supported etch kernel. |
| 23:29.00 | wols | mcbane: it should have drivers for your NIC |
| 23:29.11 | kspath | maddash: thank you as well |
| 23:29.12 | |messiah| | so I need to kill all that process if I run ps aux | grep program I can list |
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| 23:29.34 | maddash | |messiah|: pkill [blah] |
| 23:29.59 | maddash | |messiah|: and `aptitude install myspell-en-us` |
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| 23:30.29 | |messiah| | hehe I am not from USA I try to do my best with the language |
| 23:30.59 | anomic | wols: now it's only using 640x480 @ 60hz. still no love, tho :( |
| 23:31.05 | |messiah| | I try pkill | ps aux | grep classpath |
| 23:31.08 | |messiah| | and dosen't work |
| 23:31.52 | ttuttle | Can I safely remove /var/cache/apt/archives if I don't plan on reinstalling something? |
| 23:32.11 | |messiah| | what other thing I can test? |
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| 23:32.54 | abrotman | grep classpath | xargs kill |
| 23:33.23 | kspath | maddash wols dpkg -l | egrep "^ii" | awk '{print $2" "$3}' |
| 23:33.34 | maddash | |messiah|: `aptitude install bash-doc` |
| 23:33.48 | |messiah| | [abrotman] that wait like other command |
| 23:33.49 | maddash | kspath: er, ? |
| 23:33.59 | |messiah| | yes I was reading the doc |
| 23:34.06 | maddash | |messiah|: why are you piping the output of pkill? geez. |
| 23:34.10 | |messiah| | but some complex queries I can't find it |
| 23:34.18 | kspath | maddash: just trying to be cute and add the awk |
| 23:34.25 | DexterF | applied a kernel src diff manually, now a lot of script don't have +x rights. do I have to do that manually? |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:34.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:34.38 | kspath | abrotman: Por que? |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | con pollo |
| 23:34.50 | wols | anomic: can you connect a PC monitor? |
| 23:34.53 | maddash | DexterF: what "script"? |
| 23:35.03 | anomic | no habla espanol |
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| 23:35.19 | DexterF | maddash: "debian/rules" for example and aobut all scripts in the debian dir |
| 23:35.20 | anomic | abrotman: el pollo diablo? |
| 23:35.34 | kspath | anomic: the chicken devil ? |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | avec moi ? |
| 23:35.40 | dvs | non |
| 23:35.41 | maddash | DexterF: you're using kernel-package? |
| 23:35.53 | anomic | kspath: go play monkey island, you infidel |
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| 23:36.09 | DexterF | maddash: uh huh, but I only downloaded and unpacked manually. not good? |
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| 23:36.15 | Kaiten4 | Hello, is there a problem with recent scp in debian testing? |
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| 23:36.18 | kspath | anomic: yarrrr walk the plank you scurvy scallywag |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | Kaiten4: bugs.debian.org ? |
| 23:36.47 | maddash | DexterF: dude, do you know how to use kernel-package? you're supposed to `make-kpkg [--initrd] kernel_image[header, source]` |
| 23:36.48 | sixtysixbilly | hi, i need to get a .bin and .exe file onto a diskette so i can flash the bios of another machine. is there a way to do this using mount or dd? |
| 23:36.49 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: well maybe it's a common error, so I'll send a copy of my problem in a second |
| 23:36.57 | anomic | abrotman: knower of all things, can you tell me why i get nothing but a black screen on my snazzy geforce fx5200 connected via svideo to scart to this television here? i'll even show you my logs! |
| 23:37.00 | abrotman | Kaiten4: so go look in the BTS |
| 23:37.03 | anomic | Xorg.0.log: pastebin.ca/703955 |
| 23:37.07 | abrotman | anomic: nvidia sucks |
| 23:37.09 | anomic | xorg.conf: pastebin.ca/703958 |
| 23:37.33 | Wyzard | sixtysixbilly: You need a DOS bootdisk for that |
| 23:37.34 | DexterF | maddash: I've been building kernels for... 7 years manually with make, last days were the first I touched debian tools for that |
| 23:37.34 | ttuttle | Okay, I've got etch installed (with debootstrap) on a nice big partition on my USB key. What do I do now to make it usable? |
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| 23:37.40 | anomic | as you can see, i'm using the nv driver. no overly complicated proprietary drivers here! |
| 23:37.47 | abrotman | anomic: i know nothing about tv-out .. i got a cable to convert it for me from vga to coax :) |
| 23:38.01 | anomic | :( |
| 23:38.02 | sine | does debian have 4 selectable console windows like gentoo ? |
| 23:38.03 | Wyzard | sixtysixbilly: You can mount a DOS floppy with the ordinary mount command, and copy files to it, but you can't make the floppy bootable that way |
| 23:38.05 | wols | anomic: I thoguth you used a dvi2scart adapter |
| 23:38.09 | abrotman | anomic: does nv support s-video/tv-out ? |
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| 23:38.14 | anomic | wols: nono |
| 23:38.20 | anomic | svideo to scart cable |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | sine: four? |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | sine: you mean six? |
| 23:38.34 | mossby | smlier: http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_to_Sync_Hydrogen_with_Ardour_in_Ubuntu_Studio |
| 23:38.34 | anomic | abrotman: i think so. i got it working on ubuntu. but then i realized ubuntu isn't fun at all. |
| 23:38.35 | wols | anomic: dunno if nv supports svideo out... not even sure if nvidia drivers do without xorg editing |
| 23:38.43 | DexterF | maddash: but before I get to the make-kpkg part I guess files have to be properly set up which they apparantly aren't. |
| 23:38.46 | sine | oh six cool even |
| 23:38.47 | sixtysixbilly | Wyzard: i have a fdos boot disk that works fine. i just need another disk with a bios flashing utility and the |
| 23:38.50 | sixtysixbilly | image |
| 23:38.55 | anomic | wols: so it's back to nvidia driver, then? |
| 23:38.57 | sine | is dual core SMP ? |
| 23:38.59 | anomic | hokey dokey |
| 23:39.12 | wols | anomic: probably. look on the bright side: no more fonts problems. |
| 23:39.15 | Wyzard | sixtysixbilly: If you're booted from a floppy, I don't think you can take it out and put in a different floppy instead |
| 23:39.17 | maddash | DexterF: don't worry about that, kernel-package does it all for you. just make sure that you're either in group 'src' or root. |
| 23:39.24 | anomic | wols: that's true |
| 23:39.25 | Wyzard | sixtysixbilly: You'd have to put your BIOS image and flash tool onto the boot floppy |
| 23:39.28 | wols | anomic: you should be able to load the drivers from etch |
| 23:39.34 | abrotman | sine: yes |
| 23:39.37 | Kaiten4 | http://pastebin.com/m47758f55 |
| 23:39.45 | anomic | wols: packages or module-assistant way? |
| 23:39.49 | wols | DexterF: fakeroot make-kpkg binary-arch |
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| 23:40.03 | abrotman | Kaiten4: there's a ' in your command |
| 23:40.04 | wols | anomic: packages should work since you have an ethc kernel |
| 23:40.09 | abrotman | jesus |
| 23:40.13 | DexterF | maddash: umm, i thought by kernel-package you meant the actual kernel package. what's "kernel-package"? |
| 23:40.25 | Wyzard | DexterF: apt-cache show kernel-package |
| 23:40.27 | |messiah| | other way of the same question: how can I get his PID and send to kill? I get a list of the process with ps aux | grep classpath |
| 23:40.27 | maddash | DexterF: oh geez. |
| 23:40.30 | Wyzard | DexterF: It contains the make-kpkg tool |
| 23:40.32 | sixtysixbilly | Wyzard: ok, so: mount -t ? /dev/fd0 somedir/ |
| 23:40.32 | wols | abrotman: no swearing to nonexistant nonentities please |
| 23:40.34 | maddash | !tell DexterF about kernel-package |
| 23:40.44 | |messiah| | how can I get the PID and send it to the kill command? |
| 23:40.45 | Wyzard | sixtysixbilly: You don't need -t; it'll autodetect |
| 23:40.45 | abrotman | wols: he existed .. |
| 23:40.47 | kspath | abrotman: he is outside working on the neighbors yard... Do you need him? |
| 23:40.49 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: Oh, thank you I was kinda fishy about it, is there any easy workaround or should I just wildcard it? |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | Kaiten4: a \ |
| 23:41.04 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: example? |
| 23:41.06 | maddash | DexterF: kernel-package is the sexier way to compile a new kernel for your pet debian |
| 23:41.10 | wols | abrotman: so did my granspa. did you ever call out "josef!"? |
| 23:41.12 | abrotman | Kaiten4: do you know what the \ does ? |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | wols: my mom does |
| 23:41.22 | DexterF | maddash, Wyzard: ok, is already installed, some dep must have pulled it already |
| 23:41.28 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: I know it helps with typing pathnames in terminal |
| 23:41.37 | Szeraax | off topic question: Does anyone know of different firmware that can be put on phones? (there is rockbox for many mp3 players, openWRT for some routers, anything for phones?) I figured Linux users are more likely to know about such a thing, as googling for it has yielded nothing |
| 23:41.38 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: with sapces that is |
| 23:41.51 | maddash | DexterF: then make-kpkg in /usr/src/linux-[blah] |
| 23:41.56 | DexterF | yes |
| 23:41.56 | Wyzard | sixtysixbilly: (but if you did need to specify it for some reason, the type would be "vfat" for long-filename support, or "msdos" for plain 8.3 support only) |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | Szeraax: openmoko .. maybe |
| 23:42.03 | wols | Szeraax: there are linux based phones already. now go away please |
| 23:42.23 | ttuttle | Where does /boot/grub/stage1 come from? |
| 23:42.26 | Kaiten4 | Szeraax: you may try openmoko, but you may come across a lot of problems, it works on higher end phones is all I know, and is still in alpha |
| 23:42.28 | ttuttle | I installed grub but it's not there. |
| 23:42.31 | Szeraax | wols: I want nessacerily mean linux... |
| 23:42.34 | wols | ttuttle: from the grub deb package? |
| 23:42.44 | ttuttle | wols: Hmm. |
| 23:42.51 | Szeraax | wasnt*, wols |
| 23:43.06 | Wyzard | ttuttle: It's copied there from /usr/lib/grub/* by grub-install |
| 23:43.16 | wols | Szeraax: what about "there are already linux based phones" didn't you understand. also: please speak english mofo. kthxbai |
| 23:43.22 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: so you say I can help my problem with a \, how precisly ? I wouldn't know how to google such an inquiry |
| 23:43.26 | ttuttle | I'm trying to install without a separate /boot. |
| 23:43.29 | ttuttle | How do I do that? |
| 23:43.36 | wols | Szeraax: and you are totally OT. unless you find a phone running debian. good luck |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | Kaiten4: you're escaping the problematic character |
| 23:43.51 | Wyzard | ttuttle: No special steps needed... you can hardlink the files instead of copying them, if you'd like |
| 23:43.55 | anomic | wols: i grabbed nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-k7 and dependencies. xorg is not finding the nvidia module :( |
| 23:43.55 | wols | ttuttle: simply make a single root filesystem (and possibly a swap) |
| 23:43.59 | ttuttle | Wyzard: Er, grub-install fails. |
| 23:44.00 | kspath | anyone know of any tools besides lsof fuser lslk sxid that do similar things? I already searched using apt-cache |
| 23:44.01 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: well how do I escape an apostraphe? |
| 23:44.08 | ttuttle | Wyzard: "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 23:44.10 | abrotman | Kaiten4: i already told you |
| 23:44.22 | Gm4n | Szeraax: try asking ##linux |
| 23:44.25 | wols | anomic: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 23:44.34 | Wyzard | ttuttle: dunno about that... it should be finding the block device of the root filesystem |
| 23:44.44 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: with a \, yes but is it \' or '\, or something else? |
| 23:44.47 | CBG` | Kevin`: still about? :) |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | Kaiten4: try them both .. |
| 23:44.55 | Wyzard | ttuttle: Anyway, you don't really need grub-install; it's just a frontend that runs a few commands for you |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | Kaiten4: you'll know pretty quickly huh ? |
| 23:45.10 | wols | abrotman: you need non-free and contrib in your sources |
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| 23:45.12 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: yeah I guess so |
| 23:45.23 | anomic | wols: what package do you want me to get? |
| 23:45.23 | Kevin` | yeah |
| 23:45.25 | abrotman | wols: for escaping ? |
| 23:45.39 | wols | !tell anomic about nvidia-install |
| 23:45.43 | Wyzard | ttuttle: You can copy or hardlink those files to /boot/grub manually, and then run the two grub commands needed to actually install the bootloader |
| 23:45.55 | anomic | wols: i tried to grab the script mentioned there. but as i said earlier, the link is dead |
| 23:46.06 | wols | !tell nvidia oneliner |
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| 23:46.15 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: thank you, now I don't have to file a new bug :) |
| 23:46.23 | wols | !tell anomic nvidia one-liner |
| 23:46.24 | Kaiten4 | excuse my ignorance #debian |
| 23:46.26 | wols | anomic: use that |
| 23:46.31 | abrotman | Kaiten4: good .. because the maintainer would have laughed you off the internet |
| 23:46.42 | maddash | DexterF: how goes it? |
| 23:46.49 | beered | what video card has best linux support? |
| 23:46.54 | abrotman | for what? |
| 23:46.57 | DexterF | maddash: maddash reading the README as told :) |
| 23:47.00 | wols | !tell anomic nvidia one-liner |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | wols: you're broken |
| 23:47.08 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: I imagine he would of thought of it a joke |
| 23:47.12 | abrotman | !tell anomic about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:47.17 | wols | dpkg is. says "target invalid" |
| 23:47.18 | abrotman | Kaiten4: or you were a total loser :) |
| 23:47.20 | anomic | !nvidia oneliner |
| 23:47.20 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 23:47.24 | wols | but anomic is here |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | wols: because you're doing it wrong |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | wols: you forgot the 'about' |
| 23:47.32 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: whichever comes first |
| 23:47.38 | maddash | DexterF: this probably isn't correct, but do your usual kernel configuring, and just execute `make-kpkg [blah]` |
| 23:47.43 | wols | screw you abrotman, I'm going to bed! :P |
| 23:47.48 | anomic | !tell anomic nvidia oneliner |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | wols: you'll be up in a few hours! |
| 23:47.56 | abrotman | anomic: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:48.03 | wols | unfortunately yes :( |
| 23:48.08 | Wyzard | beered: For free drivers, Intel GPUs are pretty good... for high-performance 3D, nVidia's non-free driver is better (less buggy) than ATI's, but ATI recently released a bunch of hardware specs that will eventually lead to a good free driver for their high-end cards |
| 23:48.11 | Kaiten4 | Ok, well #debian saves the day once again |
| 23:48.18 | maddash | DexterF: eg, skip the README. |
| 23:48.18 | abrotman | so would newbie docs |
| 23:48.25 | Kaiten4 | *dances and leaves* |
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| 23:48.34 | broken | I've got an issue, I can't install madwifi.. wols are you around? |
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| 23:48.37 | beered | Wyzard: Thanks. |
| 23:48.38 | DexterF | maddash: the src contains a couple of config options in debian/config/i386, I haven't figured yet how to build a specific target |
| 23:48.52 | wols | broken: ask the channel. and NEVER ask to ask |
| 23:48.54 | ttuttle | How do I install a Linux kernel on a debootstrapped image? |
| 23:49.02 | DexterF | maddash: I'd like to go at least 8 yards here if not the full 9 |
| 23:49.07 | Wyzard | ttuttle: Install a linux-image package |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | ttuttle: like any other debian system |
| 23:49.14 | maddash | DexterF: do you specifically want to build that target and nothing else? |
| 23:49.20 | Wyzard | ttuttle: and then set up the bootloader to boot it, of course |
| 23:49.21 | broken | wols: i just thought since you were the one that told me about it ... |
| 23:49.22 | DexterF | maddash: *nod* |
| 23:49.30 | Wyzard | ttuttle: This is covered in the installation manual, in the section on doing a debootstrap install |
| 23:49.31 | maddash | DexterF: is this a module thing? |
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| 23:49.43 | broken | anyways, a-m a-i madwifi says that "madiwfi sources failed" |
| 23:49.44 | ttuttle | Will linux-image-2.6 install the latest 2.6 kernel, and upgrade it for me? |
| 23:49.45 | DexterF | maddash: uh, no, but I only want the k7 target |
| 23:49.46 | wols | broken: you STILL haven't us told about the problem, why? isn't time you start? |
| 23:49.56 | broken | wols patience. |
| 23:50.02 | Wyzard | ttuttle: yes |
| 23:50.05 | wols | broken: try only "m-a" and use the "gui" |
| 23:50.22 | dvs | ttuttle: well, linux-image-2.6-686 or whatever |
| 23:50.25 | broken | I used what you told me, I can't remmeber what it was now but that is what I used. |
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| 23:50.29 | maddash | DexterF: er, if you want a k7 kernel, don't you configure the make system to do so via menuconfig? |
| 23:50.32 | broken | It says I might need to add somethign to sources.list. |
| 23:50.36 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 23:50.37 | wols | and apt-cache madwifi to check if madwifi exists as a package. you probably need contrib or non-free sources |
| 23:50.51 | wols | !tell broken about non-free |
| 23:50.54 | wols | !tell broken about contrib |
| 23:50.54 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: but I am apart of generation who didn't grow up on manuals and documentation, but by intuitiveness, and people who can spot the error right away, as it natural. I fear not the most elitest, hairiest, wisest can stop this problem solving paradigm. Or we'll all die off and #debian will live happily ever after :) |
| 23:51.05 | Wyzard | ttuttle: That sounds likely to wear the drive out pretty quickly |
| 23:51.07 | ttuttle | Why doesn't grub install a menu.lst by default? |
| 23:51.13 | abrotman | Kaiten4: your intuition sucks .. take your mom when you cross the street :) |
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| 23:51.14 | ttuttle | Wyzard: Nah, it'll not change much. |
| 23:51.19 | ttuttle | Wyzard: It's mostly a file server. |
| 23:51.28 | DexterF | maddash: because that way I would have to alter the config. that's cool for MyOwnKernel(TM) but not good style in terms of package creation automation |
| 23:51.34 | Wyzard | A file server running from a flash drive? |
| 23:51.36 | beered | exit |
| 23:51.40 | wols | ttuttle: cause otherwise you only get a grub> prompt and entering kernel names all the time sucks |
| 23:51.44 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: but jumping from a moving car won't be escaped by a diagonal line :( |
| 23:51.50 | broken | wols: i don't quite understand that. |
| 23:52.03 | DexterF | maddash: guess ill stick to that for now to get somewhere but I'd like to learn it properly, too |
| 23:52.06 | abrotman | Kaiten4: whatever .. have a good night |
| 23:52.06 | wols | broken: you are missing entries in your sources.list for contrib and non-free |
| 23:52.16 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: haha bye |
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| 23:52.39 | Saar | is it advisable to use 16+ GB of swap if you have 16 GB of memory? |
| 23:52.49 | abrotman | depends on what you use the machine for |
| 23:52.50 | Saar | or doesn't it matter if I'd use 8 or 4 GB or so? |
| 23:52.51 | ttuttle | Saar: Why not? |
| 23:52.55 | dvs | Saar: is it a server? |
| 23:52.56 | wols | Saar: no |
| 23:52.58 | ttuttle | Saar: You'll never touch it, likely. |
| 23:53.00 | Saar | well the hd space is limited |
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| 23:53.18 | Saar | a server for internal developer use, so not a critical system |
| 23:53.28 | wols | Saar: use less swap (imho) |
| 23:53.30 | abrotman | Saar: are they going to use 16GB of RAM ? |
| 23:53.33 | dvs | Saar: I'd make a swapfile then |
| 23:53.34 | Wyzard | Saar: swap = (how much memory you think your applications might use) - (how much RAM you actually have) |
| 23:53.43 | Saar | haha yes, cause it was just replaced by a 32 gb system :) |
| 23:54.00 | semprix | abrotman: hello |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | Saar: then maybe you should have 16GB swap |
| 23:54.14 | abrotman | that's so ridiculous :) |
| 23:54.16 | Saar | i doubt they'd use all memory but you never know |
| 23:54.22 | semprix | 16GB of RAM? |
| 23:54.27 | wols | abrotman: just think how FAST the machine will be if 16GB swap is used... |
| 23:54.32 | abrotman | Saar: when you say limited HDD space .. you mean like 1TB right ? |
| 23:54.35 | Saar | yeah but the system was running in a production environment |
| 23:54.37 | dvs | heh |
| 23:54.41 | Saar | 16 gb is not much then |
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| 23:54.51 | Saar | no i mean 80 gb :D |
| 23:54.52 | abrotman | so how much HDD ? |
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| 23:55.10 | abrotman | Saar: if you use swap files like dvs said .. you can add more later if you need them |
| 23:55.13 | mcbane | wols: I installed the kernel 2.6.18-5-686 from the etch r1 cd. The Problem now is, that my console is flooded with error messages concerning the hd I think. It is so damn fast that I had to make a picture. Please excuse the really poor image quality: http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/winther/errors.jpg |
| 23:55.24 | mcbane | wols: can you make something out of this? |
| 23:55.43 | Wyzard | Saar: or use LVM, and you can repartition later without having to do a full backup and restore |
| 23:55.49 | broken | Ok this is what i wrote in sources.list it seems i have "etch main" and "main contrib" so i wrote |
| 23:55.50 | jmd | Why does debian have its own kludgy libpaper package instead of respecting the LC_PAPER locale category? |
| 23:55.59 | Saar | right |
| 23:56.02 | DexterF | maddash: ran make-kpkg... odd enough it seems to have called some config script. which riddles me. |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | why does .eu use a4 and we use letter? |
| 23:56.09 | anomic | wols: well, now nvidia shows up in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. but it still craps out telling me it can't find the module |
| 23:56.14 | broken | Ok this is what i wrote in sources.list it seems i have "etch main" and "main contrib" so i wrote deb http://linkhere.com etc non-free" is that right? |
| 23:56.29 | Saar | hm |
| 23:56.31 | anomic | no |
| 23:56.32 | wols | anomic: modprobe nvidia |
| 23:56.33 | ttuttle | debootstrap RULES! |
| 23:56.35 | anomic | etc != etch |
| 23:56.40 | maddash | DexterF: yes, it's probably `make oldconfig` |
| 23:56.41 | Saar | the system ought to have a raid which doesnt seem to be detected by debian |
| 23:56.43 | ttuttle | I can install Debian in about 60 seconds. |
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| 23:57.02 | screenn | Hi |
| 23:57.03 | Wyzard | broken: You can put "main contrib non-free" all on the same line |
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| 23:57.11 | Saar | at least not by the cd netinstall |
| 23:57.13 | wols | mcbane: mcbane imho the new kernel doesn't like your SATA controller for whatever reason. |
| 23:57.16 | anomic | wols: it told me it taints the kernel, then tells me it's loading, and the present time |
| 23:57.22 | anomic | but startx still fails |
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| 23:57.45 | screenn | help me use anonftpsync |
| 23:57.45 | mcbane | wols: is there something you can suggest? |
| 23:57.46 | DexterF | maddash: y'know, that's what I liked on Slackware, it did what you told it not what it thought was cool ;) |
| 23:57.51 | wols | anomic: xorg.log. show it to the kernel. it's 2am and I need my beauty sleep now |
| 23:57.53 | anomic | wols: lsmod | grep nvidia shows me nvidia, agpart and i2c_core |
| 23:57.53 | Saar | thanks for the help |
| 23:57.53 | abrotman | Saar: fakeraid ? |
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| 23:57.58 | dondelelcaro | jmd: uh... what do think it sets the default value from? |
| 23:58.04 | joey[] | any idea how to use WMI under Linux? |
| 23:58.07 | anomic | wols: i know, man. it's 2am here too. i'm exhausted. |
| 23:58.07 | wols | mcbane: check what saat controller you have and google |
| 23:58.10 | CBG` | Kevin`: seems I am not online on debian after all :( |
| 23:58.12 | Saar | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 23:58.15 | anomic | sleep > this shit |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | Saar: is it a real raid controller ? |
| 23:58.21 | anomic | wols: thanks a lot for your help |
| 23:58.23 | mcbane | wols: sure do. |
| 23:58.23 | maddash | DexterF: two words: PACKAGE MANAGEMENT |
| 23:58.27 | Kevin` | CBG` how can you tell |
| 23:58.28 | wols | mcbane: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 23:58.28 | jmd | dondelelcaro: From the current locale ? |
| 23:58.33 | Saar | abrotman: yes |
| 23:58.38 | mcbane | wols: thank you very much for the help so far :) |
| 23:58.40 | CBG` | I updated /etc/apt/sources/list but cannot apt-get install anything :( |
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| 23:58.47 | Kevin` | CBG` can you ping 192.168.2.1 |
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| 23:58.55 | Kevin` | (that was the ip, right?) |
| 23:58.56 | dondelelcaro | jmd: yes. |
| 23:59.02 | wols | CBG`: check "ping google.com" that's better for a network connection check |
| 23:59.04 | abrotman | Saar: then it should work if you've set up the array |
| 23:59.07 | maddash | DexterF: kpkg still executes the makefile, I think, but also preps the env vars to that the compiled kernel falls into a .deb package |
| 23:59.12 | CBG` | I can but dunno what hat IP is. |
| 23:59.21 | maddash | DexterF: s/to/so/ |
| 23:59.27 | CBG` | I can ping google too. |
| 23:59.42 | screenn | who use rsync? |
| 23:59.44 | jmd | dondelelcaro: So you're agreeing with me? the libpaper package is redundant? |
| 23:59.44 | CBG` | So, I _am_ online, but apt is not working? :( |
| 23:59.48 | Saar | abrotman: i see |
| 23:59.51 | DexterF | maddash: i see. |
