IRC log for #debian on 20070920

00:00.01Saarhm perhaps i did not select the right options
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00:00.37CBG`I get "Couldn't find pakage" when I try "apt-get install kde" for example
00:00.38dondelelcarojmd: no, it's not.
00:00.59dondelelcarojmd: the default paper size used is systemwide. (And it's cups that uses it anyway; it's not Debian specific)
00:01.05WyzardCBG`: You mentioned that you edited your sources.list...  what change did you make, and did you do "apt-get update" afterward?
00:01.05Saarabrotman: i am using the really minimnal netinst cd which is ~30 mb
00:01.12DocPlatypusyes, thank $DEITY for CUPS
00:01.13dondelelcarojmd: the point was that it sets the default papersize usign the locale, so it should be correct almost always.
00:01.15Saarsabbat: maybe it lacks raid detection?
00:01.19abrotmanSaar: shouoldn't matter
00:01.29screennmaybe someone have example of anonftpsync script?
00:01.33Saaroh
00:01.45Kevin`CBG` did you do apt-get update
00:01.52CBG`Wyzard: I uncommented the lines referring to http://security.debian.org... that were commented because they failed to verify during the install?
00:01.57CBG`s/?//
00:02.01CBG`and yes, I did apt-get update
00:02.06Saarwell let's screw with the bootup and bios
00:02.08Kevin`and it did stuff?
00:02.16Kevin`CBG` Oh, you need more then security.debian.org
00:02.19CBG`certainly seemed to
00:02.22CBG`oh.. ok
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00:02.34jmdSo why can't cups take it straight from the locale, instead of relying on libpaper to get it from the locale.  It seems like it's just a middle layer for no good reason.
00:02.35Kevin`deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main contrib
00:02.36Kevin`deb-src http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main contrib
00:02.45Kevin`replace with a mirror of your choice from the list.
00:02.57screennI want create debian/ mirror, someone knows?
00:02.59WyzardCBG`: Well, you still have the lines that were there originally, right?  You uncommented the security lines, but left the other lines alone?
00:03.21CBG`Wyzard:  the other lines referred to cdrom...
00:03.35WyzardCBG`: You had no online sources except the security ones?
00:03.36dondelelcarojmd: because things besides cups need to know the default paper size too.
00:03.46CBG`Kevin`: where can I find a list? :)
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00:03.51CBG`Wyzard: yes
00:04.01Kevin`http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
00:04.10CBG`thanks!!
00:04.28jmddondelelcaro: Well again, anything that needs to know the default paper size can query the LC_PAPER category of the current (or default) locale.
00:04.55CBG`so... deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/linux/debian/ etch main contrib and deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/linux/debian/ etch main contrib ?
00:05.11dondelelcarojmd: so why not abstract out a library that handles all of that for you, allowing it to be overridden as well?
00:05.25dondelelcarojmd: plus, the default paper size is really a system specific setting, not a locale specific one
00:05.27screennsomeone try create debian/ mirror?
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00:05.54brokenAlright so installing madwifi did not work.. it looked as if it worked but it said direct installation failed.
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00:06.21dondelelcaro(and setting the papersize by figuring out which locale has which setting instead of saying the default papersize is blah is kind of crappy.]
00:06.21brokenThen it tried to install it manually, im assuming, and all it said was that it removed the madwifi modules.
00:06.21Wyzardjmd: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376350
00:06.25Wyzardjmd: You could comment on that bug
00:06.33CBG`wow... lots of 404 errors :(
00:07.01CBG`ah. don't need the /linux
00:07.02dondelelcarojmd: plus, you're assuming that the only valid default papersizes are a4 and letter, which isn't true. legal is a perfectly valid default papersize, as is b4 or similar.
00:07.28jmddondelelcaro: I don't necessarily agree that papersize is system specific, but even if it's true, I don't see that it changes anything I've said.
00:07.50CBG`all working now, it seems.
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00:08.10jmdWyzard: Thanks.  I might well do that.
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00:08.22CBG`thanks Kevin` wols bobfarrell Wyzard and everyone...
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00:08.46Solethow much hdd does a bare install of etch take up? i've 3 gig to work with. buildin a router/nameserver(bind)/firewall machine
00:08.49Phil4is it possible to change the user running a programme while said programme is still running?
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00:08.54jmdSo far as I'm aware, LC_PAPER allows custom sizes.
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00:09.02WyzardPhil4: unlikely
00:09.10brokenAnyone know why madwifi doesn't install?
00:09.25Phil4the reason I ask is that programmes like Apache do it
00:09.39WyzardPhil4: No it doesn't
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00:09.56Phil4Wyzard, what does Apache do?
00:10.14WyzardPhil4: Well, a program can change its *own* uid if it has privilege to do so, and Apache does that
00:10.25Phil4that's what I want to do
00:10.26rickyNo, Apache usually has one process running as root.
00:10.29Phil4but from php
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00:10.40WyzardPhil4: but I don't think there's any way to change the uid of some other process, like from a command line or something
00:10.43rickyThis is necessary to bind to port 80.
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00:10.56Soletanyone know how big etch's bare install footprint is?
00:10.58rickyThen it creates processes that run with User/Group.
00:11.05WyzardPhil4: You can't do that from PHP because the Apache process that runs the PHP code doesn't have privileges to change its uid
00:11.17rickyBut I don't think any process's user is switched while it is running.
00:11.20Phil4it's a cli app, Wyzard
00:11.33WyzardPhil4: oh, not running within Apache?
00:11.37Phil4no
00:11.44WyzardPhil4: Well, at any rate, basically only root can become another user
00:11.50Phil4it's initially run as root so it may bind to a low port and then I would like to be able to switch its UID to a non-root one
00:12.11rickyNo, the root process *doesn't* switch to another user.
00:12.21WyzardPhil4: setuid() would be the C function to use...  see if PHP has a wrapper for that
00:12.28gpmi can su to another user without being root
00:12.52Wyzardgpm: That's because /bin/su has the setuid bit set on it, so it runs as root when you invoke it
00:13.03rickygpm: ls -latF /bin/su
00:13.15gpmoh
00:13.19Phil4aha
00:13.19Phil4http://uk2.php.net/posix_setuid
00:13.20Phil4looks good
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00:13.40abrotmanWyzard: uhm .. su - <user> .. type passwd .. have a nice day
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00:13.54Wyzardabrotman: see what I just said to gpm
00:14.00abrotmanWyzard: right .. but it happens
00:14.07dondelelcarojmd: you can, but it requires building your own locale, AFAIK.
00:14.09rickyWell, not 100% irrational :P
00:14.48sixtysixbillyWyzard: cheers for that. still dunno if it (the bios update) worked, sill messing around with images
00:15.21jmddondelelcaro: Maybe I should look into it in a bit more detail.  It just seems to me that libpaper is an ugly hack, but maybe there's some important thing I'm overlooking.
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00:15.36MaliutaWrkwhen I specify ${apache2:Depends} in a debian/control file ... what in the package building process turns that in to a package list, and how can I change what it produces?
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00:16.09dondelelcaroMaliutaWrk: dpkg-gencontrol, and it's the substvars file.
00:16.56dondelelcarojmd: there's nothing wrong with having a libpaper, because it abstracts out the figuring out of what paper size should be the default
00:17.11MaliutaWrkdondelelcaro: danke
00:17.11dondelelcarojmd: the question is whether libpaper should be paying more attention to LC_PAPER than it currently does or not.
00:17.20Phil4user123:x:1038:1029:Desc:/home/user123:/bin/bash
00:17.25Phil4which of those is the UID?
00:17.54dondelelcaroPhil4: man 5 passwd
00:18.11WyzardPhil4: Don't hard code a UID in your program...  use getpwent() to look it up from the username
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00:18.50jmdBut surely  "figuring out" the default paper size is trivial?  Hardly worth a dedicated library?
00:19.00Phil4getpwent?
00:19.10WyzardPhil4: Again, there's probably a PHP wrapper for that
00:19.14|broken|Alright so still no luck in install mad wifi.. I need to get this wireless working tonight. THe only thing I can see being wrong is that it says it needs madwifi-tools whcih isn't a package.
00:19.20dondelelcarojmd: when there are tons of things which need to know it?
00:19.21WyzardPhil4: It lets you programmatically iterate over the records in the passwd file
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00:19.53dondelelcarojmd: imagine the difficulty of making a change from /etc/papersize to LC_PAPER system wide without it.
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00:19.55Wyzardjmd: /usr/lib/libpaper.so.1.1.2 is 12 kilobytes...  hardly heavyweight
00:20.12CBG`Ok, just did apt-get install kde and it apparently worked. What now? Reboot?
00:20.28dondelelcarolibraries which do trivial things which are needed by lots of things are very useful.
00:20.41Phil4posix_getpwnam()
00:20.59WyzardPhil4: hmm, that'd be even better
00:21.04jmdbut there's already a library which does it.  It's called glibc
00:21.20dondelelcarohardly
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00:22.07|broken|E:Package madwifi-tools has no installation candidate.. what doe sthis mean?
00:22.09foughow can i find my mac address through debian? i need the command
00:22.20romano2khi everyone! how could i generate a .pem (openssl) from a script without typing during the script process please? (eg, reading from a file)
00:22.21Wyzardfoug: ip link show eth0
00:22.28dondelelcaro(and it's not like figuring out the default papersize is the only thing that libpaper does anyway)
00:22.41fougWyzard: hmm that didn't work but i did an ifconfig and that seems to have worked
00:22.42Wyzardfoug: or ifconfig eth0, but ifconfig is deprecated
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00:23.15fougwhat's that mean Wyzard ?
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00:23.40|broken|foug:  just use ifconfig
00:23.57Saarabrotman: ugh, actually there is only 1 hd in the system, so no raid, duh ;-)
00:24.06fougthanks |broken|  and Wyzard , lol
00:24.07abrotmanSaar: nice job slick :)
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00:24.08Saarkinda hard to check peeking thru the slots
00:24.10Saar:D
00:24.22Phil4hey, schweet
00:24.24abrotmanwhat .. the bios couldn't tell you ?
00:24.25Phil4mfad     12668  0.2  1.5  27000  7916 pts/3    S+   02:23   0:00 php mta.php
00:24.26Saaronly 1 slot is occupied
00:24.31Phil4thanks Wyzard :)
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00:25.28|broken|No seems to care how many times I say this, but I've followed the guides for madwifi read what you gave me to read but it still is not installing. I have no idea why its failing, I've done the apt-get install -f as well as it suggested but no luck.
00:25.50Wyzardfoug: ifconfig is an old tool, and the newer "ip" tool (in the "iproute" package) is preferred
00:26.08jmddondelelcaro: Clearly I'm missing something.  I need to read up on what it actually does.  Must go.  Nice talking to you.
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00:26.44sam__could anyone please tell me how to load raw1394 module in Sid
00:26.55fougWyzard: ip doesn't do anything for me
00:27.06Wyzardfoug: Did you install the iproute package?
00:27.52fougWyzard: nope, doing so now :P
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00:30.42bobfarrellsam__: have you apt-got the appropriate libraries?
00:30.53bobfarrelllibraw1394-8
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00:33.06stiv2kwhy is it even though i set the computer to sleep after being inactive for 3 minutes, it hibernates instead?
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00:33.49sam__bobfarrell, i think so
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00:34.14fougcan i findout what my computer is? x86, ppc 32 bit etc etc
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00:34.26bobfarrellsam__: well, make sure you do. # apt-get install libraw1394-8
00:34.35sam__i do
00:34.47bobfarrellOkay, and have you tried modprobe raw1394?
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00:35.18sam__FATAL: Module raw1394 not found.
00:35.22Wyzardfoug: x86 is a typical PC
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00:35.42Wyzardfoug: Newer PCs have 64-bit processors which are x86_64 (aka amd64), but they can run x86 stuff too
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00:36.01fougWyzard: this comp is about 7 years old. It's a gateway
00:36.04Wyzardfoug: PPC is a Mac, except for the newer ones which are x86 or x86_64
00:36.09Wyzardfoug: then it's x86
00:36.22fougthanks dude, you are awesome
00:37.21elikhello, I am trying to install azureus with apt-get install, but when I do so, it complains about libswt-gtk-3.2-java that is not going to be installed, and if I try to install it, it complains about jni package that way:  libswt-gtk-3.2-java: Depends: libswt-gtk-3.2-jni (= 3.2.2-1) but it is not going to be installed or libswt3.2-gtk-jni (> 3.2.2) but 3.2.1-6 is to be installed
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00:37.25bobfarrellsam__: Sorry, not sure, no experience with it myself.
00:37.54elikand if I try to install this very jni package, it threatens me to uninstall the whole eclipse
00:38.04sam__bobfarrell, ok thanks for trying
00:38.07bobfarrell:)
00:38.42elikAm I in some case of dependency problem where some package is dependent on one version of a library (=) and another one need a more recent version of that very library
00:39.11|broken|No seems to care how many times I say this, but I've followed the guides for madwifi read what you gave me to read but it still is not installing. I have no idea why its failing, I've done the apt-get install -f as well as it suggested but no luck.
00:40.02elikAnd if so, is there any sort of workaround for that, or I really have to choose between ecplise and azureus (btw, I installed sun's packages for java, if that can be of any sort of help)
00:40.09Jaggz-should I go with opensuse or debian for a secure web server?
00:40.16CBG`os x
00:40.23bobfarrellsam__: this might be of use to you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2792
00:40.23Jaggz-running my own programming too
00:41.11dendriteJaggz-: You're expecting a fair and balanced answer here?
00:41.20abrotman|broken|: show us errors
00:41.28bobfarrell|broken|: have you put any necessary hotplug drivers into /etc/hotplug ?
00:41.31bobfarrell(And restarted).
00:41.50Jaggz-dendrite, if you are able to say that, then you are likely one I could expect that from (at least some of the time :)
00:42.08Jaggz-do I need another verb in that sentence?
00:42.11sam__thanks
00:42.18elikabrotman, I know you can answer my question :)
00:42.31abrotmanelik: i can ?
00:42.49nvzabrotman: use the shwartz
00:42.51abrotmanelik: you're running testing/unstable
00:43.51elikI am
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00:43.57elikabrotman, lenny
00:44.08abrotmanelik: right .. that happens
00:44.42bobfarrellJaggz-: debian obviously, but if you're looking elsewhere, maybe *bsd.
00:44.44Soletanyone know any good pages on setting up a debian router? i found aboutdebian.com/network.htm and learned a lot... but nothing about what prgms to use and where to configure them to ask the routers public ip, declare it's private one, and assign the machines their static private ip's
00:44.53elikabrotman, hum
00:45.03abrotmanelik: tried using aptitude ?
00:45.26Jaggz-bob, after reviewing things I think we're sticking with linux -- but I don't know why it's obvious to choose debian over suse?
00:45.26elikabrotman, no, not really, does it do anything special in those cases?
00:45.39abrotmanbetter resolution
00:45.40stonedhi
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00:46.07dendriteSolet: Probably the best way is to just dig in with the iptables documentation, and use dhcpd for assigning LAN IP addresses.
00:46.08bobfarrellJaggz-: Sorry, I meant obviously since you're asking in here. :)
00:46.12Jaggz-package fixes/updates?
00:46.14elikabrotman, ok, I really only use apt-get and Synaptics for update (cause it's the first one to pop and tell me I have some available)
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00:46.37abrotmanelik: okay .. then you'll have ot wait i guess
00:46.42elikabrotman, I'll give aptitude a try, but if I'm not back in 10, call the police... means I will be lost in the interface
00:46.43Jaggz-resolution == fixing problems and providing updates?
00:46.53abrotmanelik: use the CLI ?
00:47.02bobfarrellJaggz-: But yeah, debian's very focused on security so it would be a good choice.
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00:47.10elikabrotman, most of the time
00:47.16Jaggz-aptitude allows / for searching by the way (and supports regex)
00:47.30elikabrotman, is there a GUI for that?
00:47.52abrotmanso to speak
00:48.02Jaggz-bob, thanks
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00:48.30elikabrotman, what's the name of the package?
00:48.48abrotmanfor what ?
00:48.52abrotmanaptitude ?
00:48.54abrotmanjava?
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00:49.05bobfarrellJaggz-: With SuSE you have the benefit of it having corporate financing so release cycle is faster etc., but with debian you get the benefit of knowing it's community driven so you can trust its intentions a bit better.
00:49.13elikwell, gui for aptitude
00:49.19magic_pinguimdo you guys think it is one good idea use the nvidia --extract-only option ?!
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00:49.37bobfarrellStill, debian's been used for servers for years so if it has to be linux, you won't go far wrong with debian.
00:50.31elikabrotman, it seems to have some sort of resolution... but can't really get what it's trying to tell me
00:51.18abrotmanelik: it tells you what it's going to remove/install
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00:52.16elikabrotman, well, when I marked azureus for installation, it popped a red bar at the bottom telling me it has some suggestions for me (just like IE7 brrr)
00:53.02stonedhi, do I have to create a bzip2 file first and then tar it? or can I accomplish this with tar alone? Please advise
00:53.02abrotmanelik: is at least going to install it ?
00:53.54Soletdendrite: do you know any pages on setting it up tho? that way i have somesort of help once the router box is on the modem and the hardware router is off... i wont have internet until i get it setup right...
00:54.23stonedoh I mean sorry, the other way around
00:54.25elikabrotman, and then it tells me to keep packages at their current version, that is Azureus uninstalled, lib-swt-gtk-3.2-java uninstalled, lib-swt-gtk-3.2-jni uninstalled and libswt3.2-gtk-jni at 3.2.1-6 (testing, now)
00:54.28stonedlike tar it first and then bzip it
00:54.34dendriteThere are quite a few howtos, just look around.
00:54.35stonedi'll rephrase
00:54.42stoneddendrite: who me?
00:54.57elikabrotman, so what I try to understand of that is that's it's suggestion not to install anything and keep this package to the currently installed version
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00:55.32abrotmanelik: sometimes that happens
00:55.50ihopeEllo! Anyone know what the /etc/network/interfaces entry "iface rausb0 inet dhcp" does?
00:55.59abrotmansets rausb0 to use dhcp
00:56.07elikabrotman, ok... let's do it another way then... do you know a good cli torrent manager (with it's associated howto)
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00:56.32Jaggz-bob, thanks
00:56.39abrotmanelik: rtrorrent
00:56.43abrotmanbut spell it right :)
00:56.51Jaggz-and.. debian vs. ubuntu server edition?  :)
00:56.56bobfarrellstoned: just: tar cf whatever.tar foo bar stuff whatever && bzip2 whatever.tar
00:56.57elikokidokee
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00:57.17abrotmanbobfarrell: why not just use -jcf ?
00:57.35elikwill give azureus another chance when I see some of these packages updated.. will keep an eye open of jni, java gtk and swt
00:57.36stonedbobfarrell: oh just bzip2 I thought you had to have a switch to tell it to compress so I was looking for that
00:57.49Jaggz-yes, the results are the same to bzip2 the .tar file
00:57.56bobfarrellabrotman: I thought he specifically wanted to do it seperately?
00:58.01bobfarrellI think I misunderstood.
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00:58.23stonedi see, basically you just answered my question bobfarrell? does one have to tar first and then bzip or can it be done with tar alone?
00:58.43Soletgah... what's the package name with lspci? i tried apt-get install lspci but to no avail
00:58.44bobfarrellYeah, just do it with tar like abrotman said: tar jcf
00:58.46stonedtell tar to use bzip2 after, or tell bzip2 to tar everythin g first
00:58.54stonedbobfarrell: I have abrotman on ignore
00:58.57stonedfor various reasons
00:59.13elikthank abrotman, how do we give karma again?
00:59.38abrotmanelik: !abrotman++
00:59.51Jaggz-(1) tar -jcf file.tar.bz2 files     (2) tar -cf - files | bzip2 -c > file.tar.bz2     (3)  tar -cf file.tar files && bzip2 file.tar
00:59.58maddashwhoaaa
00:59.59bobfarrellstoned: Erm, okay.
01:00.08maddashstoned: why?
01:00.22stonedlets not get into it
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01:00.31stonedthanks Jaggz-
01:00.53bobfarrellHeh, I didn't think people could fall out on IRC.
01:01.04Jaggz-but 1 and 2 are the same .. you use 2 for portability to systems that don't have -j
01:01.22stonedJaggz-: for example which systems?
01:01.43stonedomg
01:01.46bobfarrellstoned: Old ones.
01:02.11stonedahh found it
01:02.23stonedI accidentally skipped that page
01:02.31stonedman tar line 135
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01:03.02elik!abrotman++
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01:03.10abrotmanheh thanks
01:03.11sineDEBhiiiii
01:03.18sineDEBjust installed debian
01:03.27Jaggz-my 3 dvd's are left as .iso.tmp .. I don't know what jigdo-lite did :(
01:03.41Jaggz-I mounted one of the .iso.tmp's as an iso and it seemed fine.. :/
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01:03.50bobfarrellstoned: man tar | grep bzip would have helped you out.
01:04.26Jaggz-3752181760 debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso.tmp
01:04.26Jaggz-4694062331 debian-40r1-i386-DVD-2.iso.tmp
01:04.26Jaggz-4427623749 debian-40r1-i386-DVD-3.iso.tmp    # Pardon the 3-line paste
01:04.56stonedHAHAHAHAHAHA
01:05.00stonedomgf
01:05.10sineDEBwhat command do i need to run and see my network settings ifconfig ? if that doesnt work do i need to run it in root
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01:05.27bobfarrellsineDEB: Yeah, switch to root and try ifconfig.
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01:05.56bobfarrellIf it doesn't work, apt-get install net-tools
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01:06.14stoned!hi dvs
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01:06.19stonedoops
01:06.20dvshello there!
01:06.22stoned-!
01:06.35dvswhat's happening?
01:06.36sineDEByea that works
01:06.48stonedunder a lot of stress lately
01:06.52dvsstoned: stil starving?
01:07.10sineDEBhow do i get it to detect my wifi card
01:07.16stonedstolen plates off my car, can't find the title for my car, and yes, still fasting, no pot since last thursday
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01:07.22stonedwell, kinda
01:07.39dvsstoned: someone stole your licence plates and ownership?!?
01:07.58bobfarrellsineDEB: try loading iwconfig.
01:07.59stoneddvs: no, I misplaced my title during the move, and yeah, my plates were stolen
01:08.10dvsstoned: that is shitty!
01:08.23bobfarrellsineDEB: If it says no wifi devices detected then you might need to install the driver yourself.
01:08.25stonedi know
01:08.30Jaggz-lost titles can be handled somehow
01:08.34dvsstoned: I hope you don't get accused of a robbery or something.
01:08.55stoneddvs: I have already filed a police report and I am not responsible for the fate of those plates
01:09.12sineDEBx4 no wireless
01:09.20Jaggz-so I only have 3.7GB of this DVD-1 iso downloaded
01:09.21sineDEBwhats the command that shows you your hardware
01:09.30sineDEBlssmthingg
01:09.30stonedhwinfo, lscpi
01:09.32sineDEByea
01:09.34stonedpci
01:09.35bobfarrellsineDEB: lspci
01:09.44Jaggz-and jigdo-lite is not happy for some reason
01:09.52bobfarrellOr lsmod, lsusb...
01:10.28stonedi think lspci is easier than trying to find out which modules are for which device
01:10.45sineDEBgot it
01:10.56sineDEBAtheros communications
01:11.06sineDEBnever heard of it but thats a start
01:12.02Jaggz-I know someone who handles lost titles
01:12.22bobfarrellsineDEB: Yeah, just google for linux drivers.
01:12.35bobfarrellI think madwifi's your best bet.
01:12.57sineDEBmadwifi's ? whats that a site or driverset
01:13.02bobfarrellmadwifi-source - source for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi
01:13.07stonedwow
01:13.25stonedI have 210mb worth irssi logs
01:13.44dvsstoned: you talk too much. ;-)
01:13.45Jaggz-can I just run jigdo-lite over and over again in hopes of it completing these isos without it re-transferring all the already-transferred gigs of data?
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01:14.15Jaggz-stoned, are those bzip2'ed?  :)
01:14.31stonedJaggz-: yessir
01:14.32stoned:)
01:14.39Jaggz-I wonder how good the original bzip 2as
01:14.41stoneddvs: hehe
01:14.46Jaggz-err. original bzip was (not bzip2)
01:14.51stonedJaggz-: no listen
01:15.08stonedJaggz-: tar+bzipped == 210~ish mb
01:15.17stonedthats a lot of log man
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01:15.23Jaggz-bzip couldn't be used due to some licensing issue or patent issue or something
01:15.41Jaggz-stoned, that's what I was jokingly asking
01:15.52silent[ca]hey, I'm trying to edit my sources.list file but whatever I do i cant get it to access the server, I know I'm doing it wrong and I've tried examples... I need the repositories for mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca and how to enter them in sources.list
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01:16.27stonedahh boy
01:16.34silent[ca]* I also had correct repositories on a server that used to work with that mirror, but recently stopped
01:16.52stonedfinally back on my config on irssi.  just copied my entire .irsii over to desktop from laptop
01:17.06stonednow i can shut it down, hardware issues
01:17.23stonednow i don't have a webserver anymore, but whatever
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01:17.40CaT[tm]what do I put in the cluster field of the postgresql user_clusters file file so that it defines the use of the socket by default?
01:17.43dvssilent[ca]: deb http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/debian.org/ stable main contrib
01:17.50Jaggz-silent, entering them the proper way?  proper server (make sure you can access it yourself) and prefixed with http:// ?
01:18.02Jaggz-follow the model of the other lines too
01:18.17sineDEBcould find package madwifi-source
01:18.20sineDEB'nt
01:18.41Jaggz-I hope my wife's not mad I'm letting her sleep in
01:19.01silent[ca]ill try that, see if it works
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01:19.01silent[ca]thanks
01:19.11stonedmy life would be so much better if I just married this girl, but I'm so scared its not even funny
01:19.14dvsno prob
01:19.23CaT[tm]it was the obvious thing. nevermind.
01:19.35dvsstoned: she stole your plate so you can't run away!
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01:20.16stonedplus i get to listen to lectures from my mom, everytime I go out with a white chic I have to listen to sermons about the sanctity of marriage and all that jazz
01:20.19stonedargh.
01:20.39stonedand our culture and religion and blah blah blah goddamit
01:20.46dvsstoned: huh? "sanctity of marriage" and white chicks?
01:20.58abrotmandvs: /ig ? :)
01:21.03stonedalright, enough, I'm gonna go ... dvs my family is muslim and I'm half pakistani
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01:21.26Canadianhello
01:21.27dvsstoned: sorry if I bugged ya.
01:21.38mastaofdisastahello people, is anyone aware of a security distro based on debian?
01:21.42stonedyou should be ashamed of yourself
01:21.50stonedhaha just kiddin dude
01:21.53stonedyou're alright
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01:22.08Canadiancould some one point me in a direction for courier-mta
01:22.16stonedim just annoyed with life right now.  immagine laid back country stoner now in the big city
01:22.19stonedhehe
01:22.20Canadianall incoming mail is being denied.
01:22.21silent[ca]W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
01:22.33dvsstoned: New York would do that to me too.
01:22.39stonedanyway
01:22.45stonedI never found the solution to my problem
01:22.55mcbanewols: The server is now up and running again. Only a few minor flaws seem to be existant. I want you to thank you again for your quick and competent help. Thanks.
01:23.01Jaggz-?
01:23.02dvssilent[ca]: did you do "aptitude update" first as root?
01:23.21silent[ca]i sure didn't
01:23.37silent[ca]oh wow
01:23.40dvssilent[ca]: why is it going for http.us.debian.org?
01:23.47silent[ca]so what does that neat command do?
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01:23.58dvssilent[ca]: update the list of available packages
01:24.09silent[ca]yea i got rid of the debian line
01:24.12silent[ca]got the ucalgary one
01:24.25silent[ca]what other repos should I get (whatever the default ones are)
01:24.30silent[ca]i know there are 3 or 4
01:24.34stonedI am running a 32bit chroot under amd64.  Release is lenny.  when I as user, schroot to my chroot, I can launch console apps, but not X apps, it seems, I can launch mplayer for exmaple, but not gmplayer.  if I use sudo, still nothing.  if I su to root, and try it, still nothing.  if I don't use schroot as user, and try sudo chroot /debian32 I can launch gmplayer and other X apps fine (of course its as root so it has all rights)
01:24.42dvssilent[ca]: now if you do "aptitude dist-upgrade", it should get some packages.
01:24.51stonedimo it seems like a permissions/rights issue, however I dont' know where to start looking
01:24.55silent[ca]I'm already on etch
01:24.56stonedcan anyone kindly advise me
01:25.00Jaggz-seriously, I don't know if jigdo-lite is working or not.  It's downloading packages and it says it's copying them to the iso.tmp files, but they are staying the same size and the dvd-1.iso.tmp is too small
01:25.15dvssilent[ca]: you should add the security link too.
01:25.22Jaggz-and I've come back to this a few times when it's returned to the prompt
01:25.32silent[ca]what would that line be?
01:25.47dvssilent[ca]: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib
01:26.13silent[ca]do I have to use the debian.org or will mirrors carry security files?
01:26.27silent[ca]I have a high speed repo very close to me
01:26.29dvssilent[ca]: security doesnt have a mirror
01:26.34silent[ca]ok
01:26.39silent[ca]anything else?
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01:26.46dvssecurity reasons. ;-)
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01:26.49stonedwhat is the difference between contrib and non-free
01:26.56Jaggz-I'm going to be breaking my fast in about an hour
01:27.05stonedexcept for the obvious, you know, non-free
01:27.09dvsstoned: contrib relies on non-free stuff while non-free is non-free
01:27.17stonedhmm
01:27.17Jaggz-you know.. food.. and water
01:27.30silent[ca]jaggz, i recommend orange juice
01:27.31silent[ca]cant go wrong
01:27.40Jaggz-silent, to break the fast?
01:27.44silent[ca]yes
01:27.44stoneddvs: i am not sure i understand you
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01:27.46dvssilent[ca]: no, a repo is security is usually enough
01:27.50silent[ca]it will break the fast well
01:27.54Jaggz-I think it's wrong -- my mother in law buys no-pulp orange juice!
01:28.00silent[ca]ew
01:28.03dvsstoned: contrib relies on stuff that is not freely distributable.
01:28.13stoneddvs: contrib is free, but may or maynot depend on non-free, whereas non-free is just that, non-free
01:28.14Jaggz-I think the body both extracts nutrients from the solids and they're also good for digestion
01:28.18dvssilent[ca]: no, a repo *and* security is usually enough
01:28.20stoned?
01:28.37dvsstoned: yes
01:28.40dvsthat's right
01:28.43stonedcool
01:29.12Jaggz-there are some packages found in the union of the sets "contrib" and "non-free"
01:29.24Jaggz-correct?
01:29.28Nylethat reminds me
01:29.28dvssilent[ca]: well, you should do an "aptitude update" again since you just added the security stuff
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01:29.40NyleI was studying SET theory yesterday regarding music
01:30.00Nyleit is very very simple, or rather a deeper understand of the mathematics of music
01:30.02silent[ca]dvs, can I add one for non-free as well?
01:30.05Nylereally interesting stuff
01:30.07silent[ca]i have stable main contrib
01:30.14Nylesilent[ca]: sure
01:30.18dvssilent[ca]: you can add non-free to both if you like
01:30.24Nyleyou should actually
01:30.27silent[ca]how would i do that?
01:30.32silent[ca]contrib/non-free?
01:30.33Nyleappend non-free at the end
01:30.37Nyleno
01:30.37dvssilent[ca]: add non-free to the end of both lines
01:30.39silent[ca]ok
01:30.43Nyle!contrib
01:30.43dpkgwell, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
01:30.48silent[ca]so you really only need one line then
01:30.52silent[ca]for each server
01:30.55silent[ca]and put options at the end
01:31.07dvssilent[ca]: what do you mean by one line?
01:31.12Nylenot options, package repositories
01:31.15silent[ca]one server address
01:31.16Jaggz-Nyle, it sounds interesting
01:31.24silent[ca]other than security
01:31.28Jaggz-http://www.voyager.com/jigdolog.txt
01:31.34dvssilent[ca]: yes, that's right
01:31.35Jaggz-there's my jigdo log.. it just returned to the prompt again
01:31.37sineDEBhow can i edit the sources.list from within a gui
01:31.52stiv2kwhy is it even though i set the computer to sleep after being inactive for 3 minutes, it hibernates instead?
01:31.55sineDEBor do i have to edit everything in terminal
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01:33.07Jaggz-Here's my md5sum'ed file:   18cb13deafba1973cf65fedc33a4075f *debian-40r1-i386-DVD-3.iso.tmp        while  debian.org's page says:  e9569d806e9ea031cd3d84ad4260d212  debian-40r1-i386-DVD-3.iso
01:33.32silent[ca]W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
01:33.32Jaggz-why's jigdo stopping if it's not done?  :(
01:33.33zinxthen yours is wrong.  why are you downloading the DVDs anyway?
01:34.05Jaggz-I'm going to be installing on 3 systems
01:34.23Jaggz-is there a net install anyway?  it would be faster than this.
01:34.30zinxyes, there is
01:34.34zinxand yes, it would be much faster
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01:34.55dvssilent[ca]: you didn't do an update after you added security
01:34.56zinxyou can also use one DVD... it will have almost everything you need, and quite possibly have absolutely everything
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01:35.11zinx(even a single CD has most of the stuff you need..)
01:35.24silent[ca]argh
01:35.36abrotmansilent[ca]: aptitude update && apt-get update
01:35.45silent[ca]upgrade?
01:35.55silent[ca]if there are new packages
01:36.02abrotmanup yours!~
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01:36.06dvso_O
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01:36.40dvssilent[ca]: if you just added security, there will be updated packages.
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01:37.49SconnHey is it possible to find a customized linux distro that has security scripts pre installed
01:37.57Sconndebian of course
01:38.06flyinprogramerum so yah, Debian = My Love
01:38.17flyinprogramersetting up a server for a class i'm taking, for the class, it was so easy
01:38.34flyinprogramerand i really appreciate all the people who contribute to it
01:38.34SconnIm looking for an ISO file of someone who heavily customized a debian OS for security tools and patchs etc'
01:38.40flyinprogramerand all of those who have taught me
01:38.49silent[ca]but now i must go
01:38.52silent[ca]off on my own
01:39.02silent[ca]to take my seat in the internet
01:39.05silent[ca]and own.
01:39.15silent[ca]ah carp i finished that for you
01:39.20sineDEBhow can i edit a file in x in root mode
01:39.29abrotmanSconn: you eeither want debian or not
01:40.01SconnI love debian. im just wondering if people out there have took debian .. customized it making it air tight for security
01:40.19Sconninstalled all the patches... have their own sources.list and repacked it into an .iso for everyone
01:40.28Jaggz-I'd like a maximal netinst CD .. :)
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01:40.42Jaggz-one which uses the full CD :)
01:41.19WyzardSconn: How would that be different from just installing Debian and then updating it with the security fixes?
01:41.30Sconnwould take a long time
01:41.32flyinprogramermy parents just noticed... myself eating up all the bandwidth in the house
01:41.46WyzardSconn: not really...  the volume of security updates isn't that big
01:42.01abrotmanSconn: grsec ?
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01:42.10SconnOMG THATS IT I LOVE YOU
01:42.13WyzardSconn: especially if you use 4.0r1, which is an updated version of the release which has a number of the updated packages merged into it
01:42.15Sconni forget all about that
01:42.16SconnOMG
01:42.22Sconnyou are a god abrotman
01:42.23bulioI did an apt-get install gcc on a net install system, but I get an error stdio.h isnt found
01:42.26flyinprogramerHow to chew up 3mb of bandwidth in 3 seconds, start 2 vpn connections with 5 RDC on each VPN, and start 3 torrents on a 3rd machine
01:42.38buliowhen compiling a C program
01:42.38dvs3 torrents?!?
01:42.39Wyzardbulio: That's in the libc6-dev package, not the gcc package
01:42.45buliook, thanks
01:42.54Wyzardbulio: You should install the build-essential package -- that'll bring in libc6-dev as well as some other stuff you probably expect to have
01:42.56flyinprogramerdvs?? yah....
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01:43.13flyinprogramerdvs can your connection not handhle multiple torrents ?
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01:43.35dvsflyinprogramer: it can but it seems so excessive.
01:43.44flyinprogramerreally?
01:43.50bulioWyzard apt-get install build-essential?
01:43.54Wyzardbulio: yes
01:43.58flyinprogramer1 cd, a tv show, and a piece of software
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01:45.41sineDEBhow can i make my user a root user ?
01:45.49sineDEBso i can edit files
01:45.51flyinprogramersineDEB, sudo
01:45.56clem_su -
01:46.06clem_or sudo <command>
01:46.18flyinprogramersudo is a little more secure
01:46.21flyinprogramerkinda
01:46.24flyinprogramersorta
01:46.28stiv2khi anyone here know a little somethign about ACPI
01:46.40flyinprogramerstiv2k, i know a pinch
01:46.58XenguysineDEB: I use: su -
01:47.00flyinprogramerhey, i know wols
01:47.06stiv2kflyinprogramer: okay so my computer is configured to 'sleep' after a certain amount of time... but instead of sleeping it hibernates why is this
01:47.14flyinprogramerbecuase
01:47.18flyinprogramer*because
01:47.30flyinprogramerit's probably setup to do that in the config files
01:47.39flyinprogramerand whatever you set in the GUI didn't set properly
01:47.52stiv2kflyinprogramer: can i trace it to figure out which config file it is
01:47.56stiv2kflyinprogramer: and set it myself
01:48.02flyinprogramerand by sleep you mean screensaver or standby ?
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01:48.35stiv2kflyinprogramer: "Put computer to sleep when inactive for: 5 minutes"
01:48.41stiv2kflyinprogramer: i'd prefer it to suspend, rather than hibernate
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01:49.06sineDEBgrrr how comes i cant edit my sources.list do i need to unload somthin
01:49.06flyinprogramersuspend is to hibernate
01:49.22flyinprogramersineDEB you need root privliges
01:49.36flyinprogramerand stiv2k, last time i checked, suspend is to hibernate
01:49.55sineDEBim opening it within the file viewer in gnome and editing the text file with teh text editor
01:50.03flyinprogramerstiv2k are you trying to create a standby mode that launched faster than a hibernate ?
01:50.06sineDEBbut it wont let me save the file as it opens in read only
01:50.11stiv2kflyinprogramer: what??????????????
01:50.16sineDEBdo i have to edit it within a terminal
01:50.29flyinprogramersineDEB, duh, you need to open the file as root
01:50.37flyinprogramersineDEB, not your current user
01:50.46WyzardThe new stuff in GNOME 2.20 looks pretty cool
01:50.49sineDEByea thats why i su- current user
01:50.58stiv2kflyinprogramer: ok, i want it to suspend to ram
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01:51.02stiv2kflyinprogramer: but instead it suspends to disk
01:51.08sineDEBor will that not work it wont let me log into gnome desktop as root user
01:51.13flyinprogramerstiv2k, right, a standby mode, like in windows
01:51.14stiv2kflyinprogramer: "Put computer to sleep when inactive for: 5 minutes"
01:51.29stiv2kflyinprogramer: well if i press the sleep button on the laptop, it works
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01:54.00sineDEBsooo
01:54.11flyinprogramerstiv2k, so stick with that
01:54.29flyinprogramerstiv2k, i'm not a 100% sure, but you might want to check out something named APM
01:54.42stiv2kflyinprogramer: my laptop is new, it uses ACPI
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01:54.59stiv2kflyinprogramer: i want it to suspend after certain idle time
01:55.07flyinprogramerright i know
01:55.09flyinprogramergoogle around
01:55.33flyinprogramerand sineDEB,  type,  sudo nano -w /etc/....
01:55.44flyinprogramer.... = rest of path that i can't remember
01:56.42sineDEBok ta
01:56.52Canadianwhat would cause coureier to deny all incoming mail?
01:57.09flyinprogramera lot of things
01:57.16Canadianwith the line  513 Relaying denied.
01:57.59Canadiani can only find a few threads with reffrence to that error
01:58.08abrotmanyou screwed it up :)
01:58.19dvsabrotman: geez?  really?
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01:59.06Canadianive got no idea where to start.
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01:59.54Canadianmy imap works fine,
01:59.57CaT[tm]what do I need to change to make useradd use group 100 by default?
02:00.11stiv2kin TwinView, how can i have the primary laptop screen off and the 2nd display (LCD monitor) on?
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02:00.56alekzHi I've installed apache2 package using apt, but I edit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf but seems that apache is not using it, how can I see the .conf that runs when I start the daemon?
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02:01.16flyinprogrameralekz, you want apache.conf
02:01.21flyinprogramerit's in the same file
02:01.29flyinprogramerpractically the same, just labeled differently
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02:01.42flyinprogramerand all the modules configs are in /modules-availible/
02:01.48CanadianCat you need to edit /etc/adduser.conf
02:01.58alekzflyinprogramer so that's the file I need to edit right?
02:02.09flyinprogramerand to enable a modules you a) apt-get, b) a2enmod to enable it
02:02.20flyinprogrameralekz, its a file you can edit
02:02.35flyinprogrameralekz, your vhosts stuff is in /sites-availble/
02:02.49alekzflyinprogramer I want to change my DocumentRoot
02:03.09flyinprogrameralekz, then /etc/apache/sites-availble/default
02:04.01alekzperfect flyinprogramer
02:04.06alekzthanks =)
02:04.14flyinprogramernot a problem
02:04.36flyinprogramerfeel free to ask more questions, i'm almost a wiz at apache now, after standing up 5 webservers
02:05.02bobfarrellHad to upgrade to apache2 the other day, nice easy transition.
02:05.24alekzthanks flyinprogramer it's my first apt-get installed apache :P
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02:05.45flyinprogrameralekz, not a problem man, i need to document all that i've learned too
02:06.05flyinprogramerlike the fact that MAC OS X + FTP = so fucked up its not even worth talking about
02:06.38CaT[tm]argh! wtf. why does useradd constantly insist on making user groups and not use the default I give it? :/
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02:07.20rickyStrange, -g should have worked..
02:07.23flyinprogramerCAT, .... /etc/defaults/useradd... .something or other stores the defaults
02:07.47flyinprogramerCaT[tm], to append groups of a user, usermod -a -G [groups]
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02:08.02catbothello guys.
02:08.06flyinprogramerhi
02:08.41CaT[tm]flyinprogramer: it's ignoring that default and making a group for every user I add 8(
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02:08.57flyinprogramerCaT[tm], that's weird
02:09.11catbotI can not make my sound card work on debian 4.0, kernel is 2.6.22
02:09.20catbotcard:Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
02:09.37catbotanybody have some advise?
02:09.39alekzthanks flyinprogramer cya
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02:09.51bobfarrellcatbot: I've got a 82801FB here and it worked out of the box.
02:09.57bobfarrellThis is ICH6 family though.
02:10.01CaT[tm]flyinprogramer: weird AND annoying. trying to see if there's a bug lodged for it. any way you could see if it's happening for you?
02:10.16flyinprogramerCaT[tm], i know its not
02:10.25flyinprogramerCaT[tm], i added 300 users today
02:10.31CaT[tm]flyinprogramer: just happened on another etch system I have
02:10.37flyinprogramerhmmm
02:10.44flyinprogramerwhat is the exact command you're using
02:10.50flyinprogramerlike with the switched
02:10.52catbotIt work on ubuntu 7.04, but not work on debian 4.0
02:10.53flyinprogramer*switches
02:11.23CaT[tm]flyinprogramer: useradd -m test
02:11.40bobfarrellcatbot: Yeah, it's the way it goes, unfortunately.
02:11.50bobfarrellBut the fact that you had it working means you'll be able to get it working on debian.
02:11.56bobfarrellHave you tried it on testing/unstable?
02:11.57dvs!depends linux-image-2.6-686
02:12.01dpkglinux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
02:12.10dvs!depends linux-image-2.6-686 etch
02:12.15catbotmy debian is sid
02:12.15dpkglinux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-5-686
02:12.29catbotunstable
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02:13.04bobfarrellcatbot: Have you tried getting the very latest alsa?
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02:13.16bobfarrell(i.e. svn/cvs).
02:13.19catbotI have recompiled its kernel with 2.6.22
02:13.38sinehow can i see if my wifi card is working after installing madwifi
02:13.58bobfarrellsine: run iwconfig.
02:14.01flyinprogramerCaT[tm], i don't have an instance of Debian at my disposal right now, but i seem to remember a folder, /etc/defaults/useradd/....
02:14.04catbotyes, i download the latest alsa from office website is alsa-driver-1.0.15rc2.tar.bz2
02:14.26flyinprogramerpoke around in something like that, you'll find a config file, where you can specify default groups and perferences, etc.
02:14.31CaT[tm]flyinprogramer: yeah. I checked there and specified GROUP=100. useradd -D even reports GROUP=100
02:15.01flyinprogramerCaT[tm], but when you do the add, it doesn't do it
02:15.16catbotIn dmesg output, have some lines as:
02:15.19catbotintel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 50817 usecs
02:15.19catbotintel8x0: clocking to 48000
02:15.23CaT[tm]flyinprogramer: correct. it, instead, creates a group with the same name as the user.
02:15.30Wyzardcatbot: That ICH7 isn't a really new device...  you shouldn't need the absolute latest ALSA for that
02:15.40sinebobfarrell http://pastebin.com/m128904c3
02:15.48Wyzardcatbot: My motherboard has an ICH8 and that's supported by 2.6.18, in fact
02:15.53CanadianCaT[tm] you need to edit /etc/adduser.conf
02:16.08Canadianand change eht line USERGROUPS=no
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02:16.17bobfarrellcatbot: I'm not finding a great deal of information about it, which quite often means that not many people have had problems...
02:16.27abrotmanWyzard: did they make BT easier ?
02:16.32bobfarrellsine: Looks like it's working, then.
02:16.38Wyzardabrotman: BT?
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02:16.44abrotmanbluetooth
02:16.53CaT[tm]Canadian: that's for adduser but I had changed it anyway to no already. :/
02:16.55Wyzardabrotman: didn't see anything about Bluetooth in the release notes
02:17.01bobfarrellsine: ath0 is your wireless connection. Do: iwconfig ath0 essid <foo>
02:17.01abrotmanoh well
02:17.03sinecool what program can i use to search for the wifi networks
02:17.04Wyzardabrotman: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/
02:17.11bobfarrellsine: Then type: dhclient ath0
02:17.20abrotmanWyzard: i'm reading:)
02:17.29bobfarrellsine: Type: iwlist ath0 scan
02:17.41abrotmanWyzard: looks okay .. nothing huge
02:17.52catbotI google this problem like mine, and i found many people have same problem, but have not a solution
02:17.55bobfarrellThat'll show you the available networks, then just replace <foo> (in above example) with the essid of the one you want.
02:18.01Wyzardabrotman: yeah, nothing huge, but some worthwhile niceties
02:18.04sinesyntax error near unexpected new li ne
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02:18.10abrotmanWyzard: well .. the evince stuff is kind of big i guess
02:18.11sinelol am i a noob or what
02:18.16rrbizany good idea on how to auto start wifi when booting with key ?
02:18.27polishpaul_holas amigos.. i'm having a tough time with compiling amanda... I get an "error: C compiler cannot create executables" when compiling - trying to compile as user sys-maint. Full paste here - http://rafb.net/p/OxLNyr65.html
02:18.28bobfarrellsine: Heh, no, don't type <foo>, I mean replace that with the essid you want.
02:18.30abrotmanrrbiz: in your interfaces file
02:18.48rrbizin /etc/network ?
02:18.49duns_shi
02:19.04Wyzardabrotman: I like the updated Clearlooks (I think I'll be switching back from Glossy now), and it'll be nice to finally be able to change the master passphrase on gnome-keyring
02:19.08Canadiansorry my bad.
02:19.22bobfarrellsine: So type this: iwlist ath0 scan ... pick an essid from the list, then type: iwconfig ath0 essid <foo> ... then dhclient ath0
02:19.35bobfarrellSo <foo> is the one you chose from the list (whatever your network's ID is).
02:19.37duns_si've got this process here: root       826  0.0  0.2   3480  1200 ?        S    Sep19   0:00 -:0
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02:19.51duns_sdoes anybody know what -:0 is?
02:20.06abrotmanduns_s: display ?
02:20.10bobfarrellsine: And write these commands down somewhere for future reference. :)
02:20.14catbotusing lsmod|grep snd, i found these sound module have been loaded
02:20.24sinei just did to a textfile
02:20.28catbotsnd                    50196  6 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
02:20.36duns_sabrotman: ah o.k.
02:20.37duns_sthx
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02:20.43Wyzardcatbot: If you're not getting sound, you probably just forgot to unmute  your volume levels
02:21.18abrotmanduns_s: i'm not 100% sure on that
02:21.26bobfarrellsine: Good stuff. Did it work?
02:21.38duns_sabrotman: i've got it on another machine, too
02:21.49catbotWyzard: I can not use mixer,
02:21.53catbot$ xmix
02:21.54catbotError opening mixer device: Permission denied
02:22.17Wyzardcatbot: Run "groups" at a shell, and if you don't see "audio" there, that's why
02:22.37sineyour the best !!
02:23.06sinei mean i dont understand it all but i can see all the wireless networks
02:23.18catbotWyzard, I can see the audio
02:23.22catbot$ ls -l /dev/audio
02:23.22catbotcrw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 2007-09-20 17:09 /dev/audio
02:23.59rrbizabrotman: u know how the parameters should be under the interface ?
02:24.04Wyzardcatbot: In that listing, see that the file belongs to group audio, and has no permissions for other users?
02:24.07sinewith debian once you have your install setup correctly with hardware etc is there a way of saving it so when you install again you can have it setup that way
02:24.13Wyzardcatbot: You have to be in the audio group to have permission to use the sound devices
02:24.23Wyzardcatbot: Like I sad, run "groups"
02:26.57simonrvnweeee, 'split
02:26.57sinebobfarrell thanks man :D so i can connect to as many networks as i like and i can connect with different programs via the different network
02:27.05sinefor instance ftp via my lan and irc via my wifi lan
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02:27.41bobfarrellsine: Yeah, you can do that I guess, you'll have to set up a routing table so it'll do different stuff depending on what port it's on.
02:27.41clem_here we go :)
02:27.41sinecool so much fun awaits me
02:27.42abusadoOMG!
02:27.42sinethis is better than learning to use vista
02:27.42abusadohahahahahahhaha
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02:27.42polishpaul_HAH, i accidentally unplugged this server... SORRY! ;P
02:27.42clem_lol
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02:27.52polishpaul_i hear that Level 3 network is having some issues too
02:27.53clem_looks like people were still chatting on the other server... there were two separate freenodes for a moment :)
02:27.55bobfarrellsine: Good luck. :)
02:28.02abrotmanrrbiz: wireless-key and wireless-essid
02:28.12polishpaul_can anyone help me with compiling? i installed gcc, I get an "error: C compiler cannot create executables" when compiling -  Full paste here - http://rafb.net/p/OxLNyr65.html
02:28.20rrbizok cool, thnx abrotman
02:28.29Wyzardpolishpaul_: Installl the build-essential package
02:28.34sineheh :d
02:28.44bobfarrellpolishpaul_: Try apt-get install build-essential
02:28.53sinethere are 4 unkeyed wifi networks in my street
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02:30.09polishpaul_what is build-essential? (installing)
02:30.16simonrvn!b-e
02:30.16dpkgIf you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential.  See also <qotd49>.
02:31.11polishpaul_qotd49 ? how do i see it?
02:31.25bobfarrellpolishpaul_: Just all the necessary basics you need for compiling, gcc, dev libraries etc.
02:31.27sinei want to install firefox but i dont want to install it from source apparantly it takes ages. can i download the pre compiled package ? i read somewhere that i was rename for etch
02:31.31bobfarrellYou generally won't get far without it.
02:31.40bobfarrellsine: iceweasel
02:32.05bobfarrellYou should have it already on your system if you've done a typical install.
02:32.12sineheh
02:32.27sineahhhhh
02:33.42bobfarrellsine: It's just the name Firefox and a couple of logos that didn't fit with debian's licensing rules.
02:33.55mcbanehow do i determine the BusID for a graphics card for the xorg.conf?
02:33.56bobfarrellsine: Apart from the name and artwork it's the same.
02:34.11sinehow brilliant i have my favourite browser as well
02:34.23zinxmcbane: for most single-card setups, you do not need to specify one
02:34.25bobfarrellsine: Try w3m. :)
02:34.32sinew3m ?
02:34.38mcbanezinx: I try that, thanks
02:35.21sinetext based like lynx
02:35.32Wyzardmcbane: lspci
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02:35.42Wyzardmcbane: and look at the numbers on the left of each line
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02:36.12Wyzardmcbane: I think xorg.conf uses a slightly different notation, though -- the dot shown in lspci's output should be a second colon in xorg.conf
02:36.14bobfarrellsine: Yeah, my favourite browser.
02:36.33mcbaneWyzard: You already answered my next question :)
02:36.35simonrvnand it should be in decimal, not hex, like in lspci
02:36.39mcbaneWyzard: tank you
02:36.42sinetext based to basic with no pictures and flash
02:36.43sineflash
02:36.54sinewhats the best ftp client for linux or debian
02:37.02dondelelcarolftp
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02:37.09sinedoes that come preinstalled
02:37.25dondelelcaroalmost nothing comes "preinstalled"
02:37.28simonrvn!installit
02:37.28dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
02:37.36sinerofl
02:37.40mcbaneWyzard, zinx, simonrvn: it is working. Thank you very much.
02:37.47dalias:P
02:38.10sineyou've been waiting for a newb to stroll in huh!
02:38.22bobfarrellsine: instead of having things installed, you have them permanently available to you (provided you're online).
02:38.39bobfarrellJust think of the apt as an extension of your system.
02:39.20bobfarrellSo if you want something, eg a ftp client, just type apt-cache search ftp client
02:39.29sinehow cool is this i feel like i got a new car or somthing this os rocks
02:40.11bobfarrellHehe.
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02:40.19polishpaul_dpkg, you mentioned qotd49 - is that a part of IRC? how do i see it??
02:40.20dpkgpolishpaul_: I think you lost me on that one
02:40.44polishpaul_<dpkg> If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential.  See also <qotd49>
02:40.50bobfarrellpolishpaul_: dpkg is a bot.
02:41.00polishpaul_i'm assuming it means qotd is quote of the day?
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02:41.17dondelelcaropolishpaul_: just /msg dpkg qotd49
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02:42.17polishpaul_werd
02:42.23polishpaul_thanks guys, the install went in a-OK!
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02:42.38bobfarrellNo probs.
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02:42.54polishpaul_Amanda is installed, now i can start carpet bombinb my linux boxes by learning :)
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02:45.30sinecan i apt get adobe flash player
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02:46.03pipelinesine: yes.  Add a non-free repository.  The package is "flashplugin-nonfree"
02:46.32bobfarrellsine: You'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list (as root).
02:46.33sineyea i added the nonfree au depository for the madwifi
02:46.38sinedid that earlier
02:46.41bobfarrellCool.
02:46.45sineok ill get that
02:46.46bobfarrellDo what pipeline said. :)
02:46.47catbotWyzard, you are a great help
02:46.56catbotnow my sound card can work
02:47.03bobfarrellcatbot: What was the problem?
02:47.12catboti not in audio group
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02:47.37catbotand i add catbot in audio group and it work
02:47.48bobfarrellHehehe.
02:48.00bobfarrellHow odd.
02:48.20catbotthanks wyzard, thanks bobfarrell, thanks veryone
02:48.38bobfarrellNow put on some music and do a debian dance.
02:48.41sinehrmz ok its downloaded it but it said the md5 was bad so i did the same command again and it skipped it do i have to delete the bad one or is there a force reinstall
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02:49.25bobfarrellsine: Sounds a bit odd, not had that before, but try remove and then install again.
02:49.41Wyzardsine: The flashplugin-nonfree package is built for a specific release of Flash...  when Adobe updates the version on their website, it no longer matches what the package expects, so you get that error
02:50.10sineThe Flash plugin is NOT installed.
02:50.14Wyzardsine: I'm not sure what the policy is for updating flashplugin-nonfree in a stable release...  it might be on debian-volatile, or there might be a backport somewhere else, or you might have to install the package from testing/unstable
02:50.43sineok how do i get the test one
02:51.05sinedo i have to edit the sources.conf
02:51.45bobfarrellsources.list
02:51.53sineyea thats it
02:51.59Wyzardlooks like it's not in debian-volatile
02:52.16sinesorry its a bit of a thing for me to get my head around all this gnu server apt-get and then nonfree adding stuff
02:52.34Wyzardbut seems to be on backports.org
02:52.40Wyzardso that'd be the preferable way to get the update
02:53.29Wyzard!tell sine about backports.org
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02:56.16abrotmandidn't they pull flash from etch ?
02:56.38sinehow do you watch youtube then :D
02:56.46abrotmanthere's a bug about it
02:56.52daliasgnash or youtube-downloader websites
02:56.56daliasthe latter work very nicely
02:56.58bobfarrellsine: you can use youtube-dl
02:57.02krazykitsine, i think one of the free flash players does youtube nowadays
02:57.07krazykiter, Free
02:57.24bobfarrellPersonally I just type "youtube <URL>" and it automatically streams it in mplayer for me.
02:57.24abrotmanhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433365
02:57.36abrotmanbasically .. just get the damn tar.gz from admobe.com
02:57.44bobfarrellBut you'll need the latest svn release of mplayer for working flv streaming.
02:58.25Wyzardabrotman: ...or use the backports.org package
02:58.43abrotmanor htat :)
02:58.45daliasbobfarrell, do you have a link for that script?
02:58.56daliasmine broke with the latest youtube updates :(
02:59.06bobfarrelldalias: I'll put it on my webserver, hold on
02:59.57bobfarrelldalias: http://82.42.177.216/bob/scripts/
03:00.18abrotmanoooh .. random internet scripts!
03:00.21bobfarrellyoutube-dl is the proper python one and youtube is my bash script hack to make it stream.
03:00.47daliasoh.. youtube-dl was what i was looking for :)
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03:00.54bobfarrellabrotman: getip's handy if you're behind a router. Parses info from whatsmyip.org so you can just "getip | xclip" (like I just did.
03:00.57bobfarrell)
03:01.27abrotmanbobfarrell: uhm .. i guess .. easier just to know your IP :)
03:01.48bobfarrellabrotman: Mine changes. :/
03:01.55bobfarrellPlus my memory sucks. :)
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03:02.22bobfarrellAnd I don't trust dyndns services.
03:02.30sineROFL
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03:02.48Wyzardbobfarrell: Run Debian on your router and you can have it update your dyndns automatically  :-)
03:02.55sineor you can just use the iceweasal "download plugin from adobe"  and that works hehe
03:03.08bobfarrellWyzard: Unfortunately I don't have a box as a router, just a little netgear one.
03:03.21bobfarrell(Not my setup, staying with the folks for a while at the moment).
03:03.24abrotmanthose things can do dyndns too
03:03.35bobfarrellabrotman: Not mine.
03:03.52Wyzardbobfarrell: Some of the newer off-the-shelf routers can update dyndns services too...  the ActionTec router supplied by Verizon with their FiOS service can do it
03:04.33bobfarrellI haven't even got a wireless router here at the moment, just a really old ethernet one.
03:04.43abrotmantime to get a new one :)
03:04.59bobfarrellI want to get an old box from somewhere so I can run apache and co on it.
03:05.04bobfarrellRather than on her.e
03:05.26Wyzardbobfarrell: I use a small-form-factor box with a low-power VIA C7 processor as my router
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03:06.12bobfarrellWyzard: got a spare? ;)
03:06.22Wyzardbobfarrell: It's actually several machines in one, using Xen:  one VM for the outward-facing router (and dyndns updater), one for the inward-facing DHCP/DNS server, and one for file storage and apache
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03:07.35pipelinebobfarrell: for power consumption reasons, I try to consolidate as many things on my desktop as possible.  Routing is handled by a very small, low-power PC-compatible.
03:07.59pipelinebobfarrell: and it's not really routing since I only have one public IP at home, so no use for a public network :)
03:08.47WyzardWell, it's "IP masquerading", a particular type of NAT, but everyone just calls it "NAT", and the device a "router"
03:08.49bobfarrellI've just got my laptop here but I load JAD sometimes so I could do with somewhere else to run as a server.
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03:10.22RegnadDebian Installer just partitioned (and formatted?) my disk in about 4 minutes.  That seems WAY to fast for 160GB, or is that reasonable?
03:10.38cloakableheh
03:10.38daliasumm, the size of the disk hardly matters
03:10.47cloakableThis isn't windows
03:10.51daliaspartitioning is O(1), i.e. same speed regardless of disk size
03:10.59sineregnad me too
03:11.14Wyzardmke2fs isn't O(1) though
03:11.19Wyzardbut 4min seems reasonable for that
03:11.24Regnaddalias - Partitioning, yes, but formatting also?
03:11.24daliasformat is not O(1), but it doesn't write to anywhere near the full disk
03:11.29rrbizsome know the command to restart also when there's no audio ?
03:11.31amphimkfs is fast, it's only badblocks that's slow
03:11.31daliasand yeah, 4min is a LOOOONG time
03:11.34daliasnot fast
03:11.37daliasso it seems reasonable
03:11.50rrbiz"alsa"
03:11.53sinewhere do th apt get progs get insatlled
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03:12.01dondelelcarorrbiz: there's really nothing to restart.
03:12.02WyzardRegnad: "Formatting" isn't really the right term...  it's making a filesystem, which is a pretty quick operation
03:12.02Regnadamphi - Ah!  That was my next question... Can I get a badblocks from withing the DI?
03:12.14dondelelcarorrbiz: you can unload and reload the module, and adjust the levels, but that's pretty much it.
03:12.18sineim still getting my head around this filesystem
03:12.36amphiRegnad: it should be an option when you go to make the filesystems
03:12.40bobfarrellsine: It'll start to make a lot of sense pretty soon.
03:12.41brokencan someone trying somethign out for me? i can't do apt-get install madwifi-source it doesn't work for me so I can't get my wireless.
03:12.45pipelineRegnad: four minutes, while high, is still in the range of pretty normal for 160G.
03:12.47WyzardRegnad: You're thinking of Windows' "formatting", which is a surface scan (takes a long time) followed by making a filesystem (which is quick)
03:12.51daliassine, dpkg -L packagename
03:12.53rrbizdondelelcaro: i spose then a restart will do
03:12.57daliasthat will show you where all the files are
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03:14.25RegnadWyzard - You're right, formatting was the wrong term.  But I've always done my mke2fs'ing with the badblocks option.
03:14.29PenixI love 'hardware mixing'
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03:15.33WyzardRegnad: Keep in mind, modern hard drives do their own defect remapping internally, using "spare sectors" reserved for that purpose...  if you actually *see* any bad sectors on a modern hard drive, it means the drive has already transparently remapped so many bad sectors that it ran out of spare sectors
03:15.34rrbizsine: when u apt-get progs, the cache goes to /var/cache/apt  then u can do "apt-get clean" if u want to erase all the cache
03:15.50sineok
03:15.56WyzardRegnad: so if you see any bad sectors at all, you should think about replacing the drive
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03:16.28WyzardRegnad: Also, you can run the drive's built-in full-surface test procedure later, with smartctl (and you don't even have to shut down your system to do so)
03:16.30RegnadWyzard - I checked the drive with smartmon before doing the install and it was clean as a whistle.
03:17.17WyzardRegnad: I don't mean just looking at the smartctl output, I mean doing "smartctl -t long" to tell the drive to start a self-test, then waiting for it to finish and running "smartctl -l selftest" on the drive to see the result
03:17.26sinecp somefile.txt /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/
03:17.32sineis that correct format for copying a file
03:17.37rrbizi'm curious is there a big difference in ubuntu from debian, or is it just the packages ?
03:18.05RegnadWyzard - Yep, I ran a "-t long" before going to bed the other night.
03:18.17WyzardRegnad: then there's no need to do a badblocks scan now
03:18.34WyzardRegnad: badblocks isn't as thorough as the drive's built-in self-test anyway
03:19.04Wyzardrrbiz: different target audiences and different release policies
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03:19.24rrbizah k
03:19.38Wyzardrrbiz: Ubuntu aims to be a desktop OS with all the latest shiny stuff, even if that means merging in major changes like GNOME 2.20 a month before the final release
03:19.57RegnadWyzard - Okey doeky, then.  I'm back to etching this disk.  Thanks all.
03:20.11Wyzardrrbiz: Debian aims to be a stable OS suitable for servers, so there's a lot of testing prior to a release -- it means Debian doesn't always have the latest software like Ubuntu does, but what Debian does have, you can rely on
03:20.12sinemy laptop fan hasnt kicked in since ive loaded debian
03:20.16sineand its getting hot
03:20.34amphisine: better write an acpi script ;)
03:20.41rrbizWyzard: cool thnx
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03:20.42sineshit
03:20.46sineim a newb
03:21.05sinecan i not just download one
03:21.12sinethis vaio is gonna cook otherwise
03:21.26amphisine: I don't know, perhaps - ask apt-cache
03:21.36amphi!tell sine about laptop
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03:22.18rrbiz!lm-sensors
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03:22.18dpkglm_sensors is, like, a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package.
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03:23.13sineshit shit shit
03:24.13rrbizsine do like a wolf and puff puff puff meanwhile :)
03:24.31amphisine: what cpu is in that?
03:24.54stewgustavo: how and where are you defining the virtualhosts?
03:25.05sinedual core t2130
03:25.35sineshall i turn off and come back later i havent got a clue what to do
03:25.55amphisine: I have no idea about cpufreq support on that, but you could try setting the 'ondemand' cpufreq governator in the meantime
03:26.09sinehow do i do that
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03:26.27sinehold on
03:26.31gustavostew: NameVirtualHost ip:port / <VirtualHost ip:port> ... </VirtualHost> /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
03:26.58amphisine: as root, 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'
03:27.06amphipfft
03:27.09xtor_Is openvz(free virtuozzo) pretty reliable in debian?
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03:27.46RegnadPro & Cons, please: Etch install, linux-2.6-686 vs linux-2.6.18-5-686.
03:27.47stewgustavo: and exactly what is happening?  this VirtualHost is seemingly ignored? or what?
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03:28.36stewTwistedGenius: don't paste in here
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03:28.47amphiTwistedGenius: please use a pastebin
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03:29.12RegnadIf I choose linux-2.6.18-5-686 now, will it not automatically update when the next version comes out?
03:29.37Regnad(Is the correct term "pinned"?)
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03:29.54WyzardRegnad: It'll install new versions of linux-image-2.6.18-5-686, but it won't automatically install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 if one becomes available
03:30.02dondelelcaroRegnad: if you've got linux-2.6-686 installed, yes. If not, no.
03:30.12WyzardRegnad: For that, you'd install linux-image-2.6-686, which is a metapackage that depends on the latest actual kernel package
03:30.49LycusDoes anyone know how I can setup local hostnames in Debian? In OS X, for example, I can access an OS X machine by typing its name, e.g.: ssh computer1 .
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03:30.58WyzardLycus: avahi and libnss-mdns
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03:31.40WyzardLycus: The former publishes the machine's name on the network, (it's basically another implementation of Bonjour), and the latter lets you resolve those names to their IP addresses
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03:32.26sineok i think i was overreacting
03:32.30RegnadOk, so is installing the metapackage which depends on the latest kernel the right (safe, most stable, most glamerous) thing to do?
03:32.33sinei think the fan is working in my laptop
03:32.33WyzardLycus: The names are actually published with a ".local" suffix, e.g. "computer1.local" -- this is true of OSX too -- so if you want to be able to omit that, add "search local" to the end of your /etc/resolv.conf
03:32.47sinehow can i see what options i have for the fan and any acpi settings
03:32.54WyzardRegnad: yes
03:33.39WyzardRegnad: There's also a higher-level metapackage, linux-image-686, which currently depends on linux-image-2.6-686, but it'll ensure an automatic upgrade if ever there's a 2.8 kernel  :-)
03:33.51LycusWyzard: Awesome, thanks.
03:34.53stewRegnad: not most stable, in that it is more likely to change.
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03:35.40stewRegnad: and if you use aptitude ( which is recommended ), you will probably want to mark the actual kenrel as not being automatically installed, since if it is marked auto, the running kernel will get removed when you upgrade the metapackage
03:35.47WyzardLycus: You might also want to set "CheckHostIP no" in ~/.ssh/config, so that you won't get IP addresses stored in your known_hosts file -- that way you can have known_hosts entries for your .local machines, mentioning just the name and not the current IP, and SSH won't bug you if they happen to have different IP addresses in the future
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03:36.16Wyzardstew: In my experience, that doesn't happen...  I don't know what else is depending on it, but the old kernel doesn't get auto-removed
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03:36.40gustavostew:  thanks, thanks... strangely its working now
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03:36.55stewgustavo: uh, you are welcome, i guess :)
03:37.10sinehow can i view the acpi settings
03:37.15sineon my laptop
03:37.54stewsine: settings? what exactly do you have in mind?  /etc/acpi is where you can put things that react to acpi events.  /proc/acpi is where you can query current states
03:38.45juancgtstew: thats good to know heh thx
03:38.52sinewell i dont think that my laptop fan is working as good as it did when windows was running. every now and again it would come on hard and give it a blast where as now its just on slow and its getting quite warm
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03:39.55sineso im just worried that my new found fun of having debian on my laptop will be shortlived if i fry the chip
03:40.24LycusThough .local seems to be required still.
03:40.29stewsine: do you have /proc/acpi/fan
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03:40.48sinei dont have acpi
03:41.09stewsine: "modprobe fan"
03:41.34sinei did that and nothing happened
03:41.59stewsine: and you still don't have /proc/acpi/fan? or /proc/acpi?
03:42.08sinenope
03:42.37sineno acpi
03:42.55stewsine: is the acpi module loaded?
03:43.06sinehow do i know if i have it
03:43.13sineive only just installed debian
03:43.25sineso you will have to forgive me
03:43.30sineim just worried about the laptop
03:43.37brokenlsmod?
03:43.39stewsine: lsmod | grep acpi
03:44.13sinenothing
03:44.19sineit just goes to the next terminal line
03:44.24sineno errors or anytnig
03:44.25stewsine: "modprobe acpi"
03:44.51sineFATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
03:45.04stewsine: your hardware doesn't seem to support acpi then
03:45.24sinesony vaio vgn-n38e
03:45.25stewoh
03:45.27stewwait,
03:45.34stewyou just don't have cpufreq, that is fine
03:45.41stewsine: does /proc/acpi exist now?
03:45.50sineyes
03:46.10sinenow what my freind how the hell did that appear :d
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03:47.50sineok fan is there its just a directory tho
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03:49.33stewsine: "modprobe thermal" then "acpi -V" and what does the temperature read?
03:50.07sinedebian:/proc/acpi# acpi -V
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03:50.33sinewell
03:50.47sinehttp://staff.xiaoka.com/smoku/2006/07/02/sony-vaio-vgn-s3hp-acpid-power-management-script/
03:50.50sinethink i found that
03:50.59sineis that hot or ok
03:51.29sinei think its lying anyway
03:54.56sineit says 46.0 degrees all the time i dont think its accurate
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03:56.15sinehas everyone died
03:56.28Regnadsine - Plug up the fan hole for a while... or better: turn it off for while.
03:56.36sineis that hot then
03:57.15sinething is im not sure if its really that hot or im just getting worried
03:57.19sineits probably fine
03:57.32sinei can hear hte fan going i just want to check...
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03:57.49sineit says 45.0 now
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04:02.05Regnadsine - Unfortunately my old Thinkpad laptop doesn't have ACPI (yet), so I can't tell you if that is hot or not.  On the other hand my most used Linux box (my TiVO!) is running at 38C and has been for weeks.
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04:02.22Guerin38°C isn't not
04:02.24Guerinerr
04:02.26Guerinisn't hot
04:03.01Guerinbarely above room temperature
04:03.03RegnadI would guess laptop chips would be rated up to 85C at least
04:03.09Guerinnope
04:03.12SelenolycusHow's Lenny coming along?
04:03.46Guerinchips start to melt down at about 85°C - 65°C is a more usual nominal maximum
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04:03.54Guerinbut then it depends on a million other factors
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04:04.10GuerinSelenolycus: seems to be chipper enough.
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04:06.09SelenolycusChipper?
04:06.39GuerinSelenolycus: like a wood chipper.
04:07.00RegnadFor the embedded chips I've dealt with have an "industrial range" of -40 to +85.  I guess I assumed such a qualification would be used for chips in a laptop.
04:07.38Selenolycus...
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04:08.04sine:P
04:08.12GuerinRegnad: depends on the chip. Because embedded devices tend to not be modular and are usually very small, they're often built with much more concern for heat
04:08.26RegnadGood point.
04:08.32GuerinSelenolycus: this is my oblique qay of saying `your question makes no sense'
04:08.34sineok what was the command for getting hte cpu temp again
04:09.20GuerinSelenolycus: lenny isn't a project which has been started and is part-way to being finished. At some point a freeze will be announced, and then work will start. Until then it just is.
04:09.40Regnadsine - try "man acpi"
04:10.04SelenolycusGuerin: Ah, I see.
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04:18.12dpkghmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl
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04:19.10jetscreameri don't personally know, or i'd tell you... course i'd tell you in the ubuntu channel... :p
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04:20.13ryan454i've got a question for you awesome people
04:20.21bobfarrell:) Let's hear it.
04:20.43ryan454i've upgraded my compaq proliant fileserver from a p3 866 to a p4 2.4
04:20.58ryan454sadly the compaq scsi card's bios won't work on this mobo
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04:21.19ryan454if i boot into knoppix i can see the scsi drives however
04:21.38ryan454i also have 4 ide drives, that i serve files from
04:22.00ryan454what would be the best way to get this system set up, using the scsi drive for my root filesystem
04:22.28Guerinwhy would you serve files form ide in preference to scsi?
04:22.33bobfarrellWell, if your BIOS can't see them you'd need a seperate bootloader, I guess.
04:22.39ryan454the scsi drive is 18gb
04:22.43Guerinmm
04:22.46ryan454the ide drives are 2x500 and 2x300
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04:22.47Guerinstupid small drives
04:23.02Guerinryan454: you probably need to /msg dpkg kmuto
04:23.15Guerini think he makes compaq-worthy kernels and installers
04:23.22ryan454well
04:23.30ryan454i can repartition one of the ide drives
04:23.45ryan454it only had about 40gb of data, and it's booted into knoppix now copying to another drive
04:24.02ryan454what is the minimal amount i could put on the ide drive?
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04:24.32ryan454would grub and /boot in a partiton work? or would i need more available in order for it to see the scsi drive?
04:25.45bobfarrellI'm not certain how much grub can do for you.
04:25.49bobfarrellCheck out the website.
04:26.08Guerinryan454: grub and /boot should work fine.
04:26.18Gueringustavo: you will need an initrd, though.
04:26.21Guerinerr
04:26.25Guerinnot sure what happened there
04:26.28ryan454hah
04:26.30gustavohehe
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04:26.37Gueringustavo: sorry about that
04:26.42gustavodont worry
04:26.52ryan454so if i install using /boot as a ~500mb partition in the begining of hda
04:26.58ryan454and / on sda
04:27.01sineis 49.0c hot for dual core pentium temp ?
04:27.01ryan454it should work?
04:27.14GuerinSelenolycus: hot but not intolerably so
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04:27.22Guerinif it's stable at that temperature, leave it be
04:27.39Guerinryan454: 500MB is at least 500% too big
04:27.44ryan454:P
04:27.49ryan454ok 100mb
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04:27.57daliasboot can be 10 megs i think
04:28.03ryan454but that's all i should need, right?
04:28.05Guerinwell ... it CAN be
04:28.05Wyzard10MB is a bit small
04:28.09daliaserm no
04:28.14Wyzard100MB is enough for two or three kernels plus initrds
04:28.17Guerinbut that would only fit one kernel, and sometimes not even that
04:28.18daliasi forgot debian uses idiotic initrd stuff
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04:28.24daliaswithout initrd, boot can be tiny
04:28.33ryan454i've got 1.6tb in this server, so i don't mind giving up 100-500mb :P
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04:28.45Wyzarddalias: Yes, building a kernel that can work on a wide range of hardware without having to statically link every driver is idiotic
04:28.49Guerindalias: when you find another way to support an arbitrarily huge amount of software without effort, let us know
04:28.55Guerinyeah
04:28.59Guerinhardware, not software
04:29.02Guerinman, I'm stupid today
04:29.09bobfarrelldalias: I don't think you'll get very far saying shit about debian here. :)
04:29.20daliasi love debian but initrd is stupid
04:29.22ryan454ok, i'm going to try it, thanks so much Guerin :D
04:29.31Wyzarddalias: Why's it stupid?
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04:29.34Guerindalias: see above. Got a better solution?
04:29.37daliasit adds a lot to the boot time and for no gain
04:29.37xjkxon k3b it always tells me "medium or burner does not support this speed. Switching to 10x" even though i try 20X, but here on my burner it says 52x32x52x it always happened here, what do you think it could be?
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04:29.48daliasjust compile all the disk drivers into the kernel
04:29.55Guerinit works. Disk space is cheap. Time isn't. Technical expertise *definitely* isn't.
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04:30.16Wyzarddalias: all the disk drivers, and all the filesystem drivers, and all the network-card drivers (since some people use NFS for their root), etc.
04:30.16daliasthe slow boot issue is more important than the wasted space imo
04:30.18Guerindalias: then you have a huge kernel, which wastes ram. How do you work that into your 32MB utopian delusion?
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04:30.33rrbizargh! anyone ever get anxious on what theme to settle with
04:30.50daliasguerin, by compiling your own kernel. the same way i work aroudn the initrd crap now..
04:30.58bobfarrellrrbiz: Nope. :)
04:31.01Wyzarddalias: and initrds aren't slow, not that I've seen...  there's a small script which loads some modules, and that's it
04:31.04Guerindalias: see above re: time and expertise
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04:31.20Guerindalias: remember: debian is for *lazy* people
04:31.30daliaswyzard, the Loading Linux........... takes almost-zero time without initrd
04:31.30rrbizheh, nv heard of stumpwm, is that easily customizable?
04:31.33Wyzarddalias: Sure, but we're talking about what Debian distributes, not what you can custom-build for yourself
04:31.37rvallessine: usually, anything below 50c is cold
04:31.38daliaswith initrd it takes a good 5 seconds or more
04:31.53bobfarrellrrbiz: There's no window decorations, just window content.
04:31.55bobfarrellSo nothing to theme.
04:31.57Guerindalias: see, you're just a whole bag of delusions
04:32.02Wyzarddalias: Debian isn't going to put a custom kernel for *your machine* on the install CD
04:32.09daliasof course
04:32.13rvallessine: cpus snap at between 70 and 80, so you should worry the moment it reaches 60C.
04:32.14Guerindalias: one moment you complain about bloat ... then you advocate building everything monolithically.
04:32.17daliasbut see it would be really simple
04:32.20daliashave 2 kernel packages
04:32.21rrbizbobfarrell: so u need to get familiar with keyboard commands ?
04:32.33Guerindalias: next you'll be saying everything should be statically linked so we can do away with all that apt cruft.
04:32.34daliasone "sane people's kernel" that's just basic disk drivers and ext3
04:32.40bobfarrellrrbiz: Yeah, it's a direct descendent of ratpoison, so as you can see it's pretty anti-mouse.
04:32.51daliasand one "bloatware kernel with initrd" package for the tiny number of people with weird setups
04:32.54Guerindalias: lack of demand.
04:33.03rrbizhmm
04:33.06sineso 48 is cool then
04:33.11Guerindalias: and I think you'll find your typology is the inverse of reality.
04:33.18sinei was worried
04:33.20Wyzarddalias: umm...  the point of the initrd kernel is that it's *not* bloatware, because nearly nothing has to be statically linked into it
04:33.28Guerinbut hey - that's what I've come to expect from ya
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04:33.30daliasmost people have ext3 filesystem on an ide/atapi disk
04:33.41Guerindalias: but WHICH ide?
04:33.49daliasgeneric driver works fine...
04:33.52stiv2kwhy is it even though i set the computer to sleep after being inactive for 3 minutes, it hibernates instead?
04:33.54Guerinthey're not generic, you realise
04:33.56sinewhats a decent gui ftp client
04:34.02Guerinno, really, it fucking doesn't
04:34.11Wyzarddalias: Generic driver works fine if you don't mind lack of DMA...
04:34.13Guerinsine: no such thing
04:34.32sinewell i used to use flashfxp on windows
04:34.40bobfarrellsine: I think there's a pyftp or something like that.
04:34.48bobfarrellI think that's pretty popular with the guiheads.
04:34.48simonsine, filezilla
04:34.48Gueringftp is the popular choice
04:34.53Guerinbut lftp > *
04:35.05Guerinfilezilla is windows-only, is it not?
04:35.21simonI thought its client was cross-platform.
04:35.26Guerinperhaps it is now
04:35.37simonnope, sorry.
04:35.41simonI was guessing wrong.
04:35.42daliasanyway i'll just stick to building my own kernel
04:35.47daliassorry for the noise
04:35.56Guerindalias: wouldn't dream of forcing anything else on you.
04:36.10Wyzarddalias: Feel free, but don't call Debian idiotic for using the most sensible option for broad hardware support
04:36.22ryan454look what i started
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04:36.36Guerinryan454: it's all your fault, buying compaq servers
04:36.40ryan454haha
04:36.45ryan454it was FREE :D
04:36.52bobfarrellHeh, community driven distros certainly have both good and bad points.
04:36.53Guerinyou cheap bastard!
04:36.54ryan454the ide drives however, were not
04:37.13ryan454cheap server + ide drives + gigabit nic = awesome cheap gigabit nas
04:37.47simonwith apt, is there a way to install a package to a directory? a la --prefix
04:37.48ryan454i used the p3 for a while, but the mobo only did ata33 :(
04:37.56Guerinyeh, my upstairser just set up a nfs box in the garage
04:38.06Guerinhe keeps meaning to auth me for it too
04:38.07Wyzardsimon: don't think so...  why would you want to do that anyway?
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04:38.15simonWyzard, I want to chroot apache2.
04:38.20Wyzardah
04:38.29Guerinsimon: you almost certainly haven't thought it through properly.
04:38.45Guerinthere's a reason openbsd rewrote theirs.
04:38.51Wyzardsimon: Well, keep in mind that apache2 needs much more than just the stuff in the apache2 package...  libc, for example, would need to be in the chroot
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04:39.15Guerinand then there's the crypto problem
04:40.14simonGuerin, I'm not used to debian. how would you chroot an application if not install it in a localised environment?
04:40.46Guerinsimon: typically you wouldn't; or you would use some sort of virtual machine.
04:41.02Wyzardor SELinux
04:41.03simonGuerin, if my httpd were a single, statically linked binary, I'd just chroot it to a webdir. apache2 has a directory structure, so it seems to complicate matters.
04:41.13Guerinsimon: but unless you have a very strong reason indeed to chroot it (and no, `securtity' isn't such a reason) then it's far more pain than it's worth
04:41.18Wyzardwhich is packaged for Debian, though not enabled by default so I don't know if the packages are production-ready yet
04:41.33Guerinyeah, selinux. I haven't used it though.
04:41.34simonGuerin, sounds like debian doesn't like chroot :)
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04:41.56Guerinsimon: not a matter of disliking it, just that it has very low utility in an already-secure environment.
04:42.11simonGuerin, I wouldn't call it security as much as just keeping things separated because of nosy users.
04:42.39Wyzardsimon: Nosy users on the web?
04:42.53Wyzardsimon: They can't see outside the DocumentRoot anyway
04:42.54Guerinsimon: why not allow them to be nosy?
04:43.02simonWyzard, nosy local users with limited privileges.
04:43.28simonGuerin, because it's none of their business what my named is running, for instance :)
04:43.51simonthere's lots of stuff I don't like them to look into. what other users there are. do I need to provide a list here?
04:43.59WyzardIf you don't trust your users to even know what's on the system, don't give them accounts on that machine
04:44.07Guerinsimon: there's the qualitative difference i'm talkign about. You're making a lot of work to accomodate a preference, not a strong justification.
04:44.23simonah shite, I've kept from linux channels for like five years, don't tell me you haven't changed from this dogmatism! :)
04:44.34Guerinif you're than concerned about obscurity debian is probably not the OS for you
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04:45.05simonGuerin, any OS in which the default install method is ./configure --prefix=foo would be no hustle.
04:45.17Guerinyeah, probably true.
04:45.43Wyzardsimon: ...until packages start getting security fixes and new versions and you find yourself manually keeping track of dependencies and which versions of everything is installed  :-)
04:45.52Guerinheh
04:45.56Guerinthat way lies madness
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04:46.14sadminhi all
04:46.17simonWyzard, good point. still, there are package managers that allow custom destdirs.
04:46.30simonGuerin, err, will you quit the commentary? :P
04:46.46sadmini am using Vimax to connect my local offices to HO through openvpn
04:46.49sadminall good
04:47.19sadminbut some how my interface wont accept traffic so i change my vimax interfaces mtu to 1400
04:47.24sadminnow its working
04:47.54sadminnow  my remote offices can ping only fw not machines in my DMZ
04:47.55simonWyzard, yeah, I'm not really into it either. I'd just like something smaller than branching the entire OS and just have a simple directory structure for my chroots.
04:48.15Guerinsimon: nope. You address the peanut gallery, you get comments from the monkeys.
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04:48.29Wyzardsimon: I really don't see much value in chrooting everything to prevent local users from seeing them
04:48.37Wyzardsimon: As Guerin mentioned, that's security through obscurity
04:48.46simonWyzard, no, and what a fine discussion that could amount to ;-)
04:48.54simonerm
04:48.54Wyzardsimon: Just use VMware or Xen or something, and give your users accounts on a different virtual machine
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04:49.08simonit isn't really security through obscurity. it's security through privileges.
04:49.21Guerinwell ... not really
04:49.34simonerr... it isn't even security! I'm trying to modularize a server into handling several projects at once.
04:49.35WyzardIt's obscurity accomplished by taking away users' privileges to see any of the things that users can normally see
04:49.46Wyzardsimon: virtualization
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04:49.51Guerinsince the privileges already proitect your files from modification, and any files where information should be restricted can be protected using the privilege system
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04:49.53WyzardIt's meant for exactly that sort of thing
04:49.57sadminany idea
04:50.08Guerinsadmin: /msg dpkg paste
04:50.17simonWyzard, is the linux' virtualization vs. bsd chroots really that inherent in your mindset? I thought chroots were perfectly valid on linux.
04:50.45Guerinsimon: they are, they're just not the hammer you seek for this particular nail.
04:50.53taime1i cant seem to get xgl to load.. can someone help?
04:51.05Guerintaime1: you've already had your answer.
04:51.12Wyzardtaime1: You asked that in #ubuntu a little while ago...  which OS are you using?
04:51.33taime1ubuntu... but i figured on eof these smart guys would have some experience with xgl
04:51.56simonGuerin, this 'nail' is isolating a process that might depend on other executables and libraries.
04:52.05Wyzardtaime1: Ubuntu isn't supported in #debian, and Debian doesn't even distribute packages of Beryl or XGL
04:52.30taime1i see
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04:52.34simonGuerin, it might be a little more than this, and to that you have a very good point.
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04:52.56taime1well, i often get great support in here...guess i discovered an area that doesnt apply
04:53.03taime1sorry guys
04:53.17Guerinyerah: crappy experimental proprietary software on a different OS
04:53.22admin8toranyone know if there is a good book that covers Debian 4 out yet? (aside from man pages).
04:53.25Wyzardsimon: Traditionally the use for a chroot is so that if an application gets hacked, the intruder can't get out and see other parts of the filesystem
04:53.33Guerin!debian system
04:53.33dpkgsee debian system
04:53.35Wyzardsimon: It's never been meant for hiding an app from local users
04:53.38Guerin!the debian system
04:53.45Guerinbah
04:53.53Guerinadmin8tor: debiansystem.info
04:54.09admin8torthx.
04:54.22simonWyzard, I just like to contain whatever one set of people are doing with their stupid PHP scripts and whatnot.
04:54.40Wyzardsimon: Even if you put all the files in a chroot directory that users don't have permission to enter, they can still see what's running with "ps", for example
04:54.48Guerindpkg, debian system is The Debian System is a book written by debian Developer Martin F Krafft aka madduck. It's the real live shit, from front to back.
04:54.48dpkg...but debian system is already something else...
04:54.54Guerindpkg, no, debian system is The Debian System is a book written by debian Developer Martin F Krafft aka madduck. It's the real live shit, from front to back.
04:54.54dpkgGuerin: okay
04:54.57bobfarrellsimon: I think people mistakenly thought you asked them to explain to you why you shouldn't do it this way, rather than how it might be done. ;)
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04:55.25simonbobfarrell, well, I'd do the same if someone asked me how to do something stupid. :)
04:55.37WyzardWell, to the best of my knowledge, Debian doesn't support installing apps in chroots
04:55.39bobfarrellHeh, true enough.
04:55.41xp_prg_I am having a hard time finding the package for gmake, I do apt-cache search gmake but nothing comes up :(
04:55.44xp_prg_what is it?
04:55.53Guerinxp_prg_: debian make is gmake.
04:55.54bobfarrellxp_prg_: build-essential
04:56.06WyzardIt'd be too complex to manage (replicating necessary libraries and config files into the chroot, making sure they get updated during package upgrades, etc.)
04:56.20admin8torGuerin: "no edition planned for etch".  ack!
04:56.27admin8torI like no starch press too.
04:56.30Guerinadmin8tor: oh, it's sarge. Showing my age,
04:56.35xp_prg_I heart you Guerin thanks
04:56.45admin8torand "Lenny"
04:56.46Guerinadmin8tor: many of the principles will hold.
04:56.54Wyzardsimon: It sounds like you're trying to partition a server into several domains which are isolated from each other -- users can't see the daemons, some daemons can't see other daemons, etc. -- and that's why I'm recommending virtualization
04:56.55Guerin!aww
04:56.56dpkg*snuggles*
04:57.01simonWyzard, what's the virtualization module of choice?
04:57.10admin8toryes, just like why there are a lot of ubuntu users asking questions here. :)
04:57.25Guerinheh
04:57.31simonWyzard, yeah, it does seem sensible. I just though I could get away with something simpler.
04:57.46Wyzardsimon: VMware Server is the most convenient to set up and manage (nice GUI and everything), but it's non-free and isn't the best performer
04:58.08Wyzardsimon: Xen has better performance and is packaged in Debian, but it's a bit more work to set up
04:58.28Wyzardsimon: Those two are probably the best choices for what you want to do
04:58.39simonWyzard, how about linux-vserver?
04:58.40admin8torXen is a biatch to setup... but it's cool once it's running.
04:58.44Wyzard(and VMware Server isn't *bad* performance-wise; it's just not quite as efficient as Xen)
04:58.56admin8torVM server is free.
04:58.58Wyzardvserver would work too
04:59.05admin8torworkstation/ESX is not
04:59.09Wyzardadmin8tor: not DFSG-free
04:59.13admin8torah
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04:59.55Wyzardsimon: Actually, vserver might be well worth looking into -- it uses a single kernel shared among all VMs, rather than booting a separate kernel for each, so its memory management is more flexible
05:00.30simonWyzard, yes, I know.
05:00.32Wyzardsimon: With VMware and Xen, each VM takes up a fixed chunk of RAM even if it isn't actually using all of it; with vserver, I don't think there's any need to reserve dedicated chunks of RAM like that
05:00.37WyzardI don't have experience with vserver though
05:01.33WyzardThere's also OpenVZ, which is similar to vserver, but it's not nicely packaged like vserver is
05:02.12WyzardI'd probably go with Xen, though
05:02.44WyzardSet up the box using LVM, with logical volumes for each VM's virtual disk
05:03.07simonLVM?
05:03.21Wyzard!lvm
05:03.21dpkgfrom memory, lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo
05:03.24admin8torLogical Volume Management
05:03.40WyzardIt's a flexible partitioning system, specific to Linux AFAIK
05:04.03WyzardYou can create/remove/resize logical volumes on-the-fly, without having to reboot or anything
05:04.12simonI'd probably go with vserver because of the flexibility and the lack of overhead, but it seems like a lot to get into just to get a friggin' program running. :-)
05:04.15admin8torthat link gives me the 404s.
05:04.42jetscreamerwtf is this new read: connection reset by peer  when i try to connect with sshfs... this just started after the latest sid upgrade
05:04.48Wyzardvserver is probably a decent choice...  I'd go with Xen because I've used it before, that's all  :-)
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05:05.03simondoes anyone inhere use chroots at all, then?
05:05.04admin8torhttp://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_35_647.shtm
05:05.11admin8tor^^ LVM
05:05.12Wyzardadmin8tor: yeah, that's an outdated link
05:05.13jetscreamerit does connect, but it's not connectING
05:05.25jetscreameroh
05:05.26jetscreamernm
05:06.00simonWyzard, in a chroot, how does 'ps' get its process information without access to /dev or /proc?
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05:06.18Wyzardsimon: I don't think it can...  I believe ps works by looking in /proc
05:06.37simonWyzard, so what you said about process listing within chroots earlier doesn't seem to correspond with this.
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05:07.08Wyzardsimon: No, you said you were concerned about normal users (*outside* the chroot) knowing what version of BIND you're running
05:07.22simonWyzard, I really just want a bunch of non-suid, statically linked executables in a chrooted userland directory.
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05:07.43Wyzardwell, Debian doesn't provide that
05:07.50WyzardI don't know of any distro that does
05:08.16Wyzardexcept maybe a highly customized Gentoo (i.e. custom patches to portage)
05:08.35simona highly customized? you make any use of chroot sound alien :)
05:08.35hid3Hello everyone. There are 3 partitions on my server: / as ext3, /var and /home as xfs. Yesterday my server hang up due to hardware problems. The problem is now solve, however, I can't boot my system. It starts to load linux (grub loader) then prints something like 'mounted ext3 filesystem, blah blah, internal journal, commit interval 5secs..' and that's all-the system freezes. What can be wrong? any ideas how to solve this problem?
05:08.53daliaswyzard, my system does but it's not really a distro since it's not distributed :P
05:08.56Wyzardcustomized to actually support installing things into chroots, and maintaining the chroots when packages get upgraded
05:09.06simondalias, you use chroot on linux?
05:09.16daliasnope. but i have lots of nice static binaries
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05:09.28familyso this is what i have done so far debootstap etch from a debian mirror then i decided hey lets install the kernel so i chrooted into the system and apt-get install linux-image-2.6 k this is now complete so i thought i need xorg i apt-get that. Now i realized i need a gui so i apt-get install fvwm, completed so whats left grub apt-get install grub. k now i have everything i need right? right so now i decided i need to find a way to
05:09.28family[01:02:20] <family> install this to the hard drive through the use of a cd. now im stuck..
05:10.00simonWyzard, it'd be so easy. the package updating happens outside the chroot, the binaries are updated and whoop-tee-doo, new and fresh binaries fall from the sky.
05:10.51Wyzardsimon: What about figuring out which chroots each updated file needs to be copied into, and copying all the updates into the chroots?
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05:11.31Wyzardand modifying the initscripts to actually perform the chroot when starting the daemon
05:11.39familyany ideas on the question above
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05:12.32Wyzardfamily: When doing a deboostrap install, it'd be best to leave things like xorg and fvwm until *after* you've installed the kernel and actually booted the new system
05:14.08Wyzardfamily: Or are you making a liveCD or something?
05:14.10familywyzard okay so now how would i get that installed onto a system through a cd. i would like some kind of installer that formats and partitions harddrive then copys the files off
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05:14.30familywyzard livecd naw i want to make a install cd
05:14.56Wyzardfamily: How's it different from the existing install CD?
05:15.53familywyzard i didnt pull this off of a install cd i just did a debootstrap etch debian.com /home/family/os
05:16.10familythe html isnt correct but example
05:16.23WyzardRight, but what I mean is, Debian already has an install CD
05:16.40familywyzard doesnt that install cd connect to the net to pull stuff off?
05:16.51WyzardThe netinst one does, sure
05:17.02WyzardYou can also download a full CD or DVD set that doesn't need a network connection at all
05:17.17familywyzard i would just like the first cd
05:17.28Rat409base?
05:17.30familyim guessing thats where the installers at
05:17.37WyzardThen just download the first CD
05:17.50admin8torall ur base are belong to us.
05:17.53WyzardYou'll be able to install any packages which are on that CD, without a network connection
05:17.55familythen i guess i have to modify it to cp the files from /somefile
05:19.04Wyzardfamily: What do you want your install CD to do differently, that you can't just use the regular install CD for?
05:19.44familywyzard i want to place my custom kernel under the etch debian doesnt have the kernel i want under etch here ill show ya
05:19.45family:)
05:20.03family2.6.22.3-rc1-slh-smp-2
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05:20.25WyzardIs etch's kernel unable to see your computer's hard drive?
05:20.32Rat409netinstalls are best as you are up to date with current pkgs,backports,etc.
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05:20.47familyrat im trying to make the fastest os
05:20.52familyrolling my own system
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05:21.13Rat409i used the debian experimental kernel which was 2.6.23-rc3-686 iirc
05:21.24Rat409no problems whatsoever
05:21.35familytaking the sid kernel and etch together then im going to use fvwm should probably use fluxbox but thats just opinion
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05:22.14familyrat409 i need this to be as simple as answer two questions my grandmother is going to use this
05:22.18Wyzardfamily: You could just install etch with the regular install CD, then fvwm/fluxbox and a newer kernel
05:22.31family:) above
05:22.57Wyzardfamily: Your grandmother is going to use the installed OS?  Or she's going to actually use the CD to install it on her computer?
05:23.01Rat409and i used etch and the experimental kernel w/o any probs,but my hw is as generic as it gets
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05:23.18familyuse the cd to install
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05:24.05Wyzardfamily: You can make a customized version of the Debian install CD that skips over most of the questions
05:24.18familyso i want to make it simple have a look at euronodes 2004 cd all you would do is answer yes yes then it installs everything
05:24.22Wyzardand it's probably possible to configure it to install certain packages out-of-the-box
05:24.22familyaww okay
05:24.46Wyzardthat'd be a lot simpler than trying to build a whole custom install CD
05:24.50Rat409wouldn't icewm be better,its more like windows 98
05:25.09Rat409and its very light on resources
05:25.10WyzardAnd what's the point of the 2.6.22 kernel?
05:25.18WyzardInstalling a newer kernel doesn't magically make everything faster
05:25.18familyi made my own theme for fvwm pretty nice
05:25.32familywyzard better security
05:25.52WyzardYou'd be better off sticking with the supported set of packages in etch, and just customizing the installer to skip over the questions you already know the answers to
05:25.53familymore options
05:25.53Rat409i use fvwm proper and fvwm-crystal,no doubt there :)
05:26.12family:)
05:26.16Wyzardfamily: Can you describe specifically what better security and "more options" 2.6.22 offers to your grandmother?
05:26.38family:)
05:26.52Wyzardfamily: etch's 2.6.18 packages get updates from the security team when security vulnerabilities are found
05:26.57Wyzardfamily: Your custom-built 2.6.22 doesn't
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05:27.32familytake a look at this http://euronode.org/docs/make_woody.epl?lang=en
05:27.34Rat409and that slh is a sidux kernel,but should work w/o probs
05:27.37WyzardUnless you're there to keep track of newly-discovered security flaws and rebuild the kernel manually, etch's kernel has better security
05:28.16Wyzardfamily: What about it?
05:29.21Wyzardfamily: If you want a desktop system with fewer questions in the installer, take Ubuntu's "alternate" install CD and remaster it to use defaults (provided by you) rather than prompting for most of the questions
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05:30.16simonWyzard, I didn't quite get your suggestion.
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05:30.30WyzardDon't go adding custom new kernels unless you have a specific strong reason for sacrificing the auto-updated security fixes
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05:30.46Wyzardsimon: About Xen and LVM?  Or something else?
05:31.02simonWyzard, I'm not especially keen on it for the simple reason that I haven't tried virtualisation in a production environment.
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05:31.23simonWyzard, no, "What about figuring out which chroots each updated file needs to be copied into, and copying all the updates into the chroots?"
05:31.44Wyzardsimon: Xen is used in a lot of production environments...  it's an out-of-the-box feature in the latest RHEL, I believe
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05:32.07familyill just install woody its outdated prolly run faster then crap on a 2.5 ghz computer
05:32.10Wyzardsimon: To make a chroot you have to copy a bunch of files from the "real" root filesystem into a new directory, right?
05:32.20familydarn no udev support
05:32.23simonWyzard, yes, a moderate bunch.
05:32.34Wyzardsimon: so when packages get updated in the "real" root filesystem, you have to copy the new versions into the chroot directories as well
05:33.01simonWyzard, yes, unless the package manager was able to handle a custom install dir.
05:33.09simonWyzard, in that case it'd just have to remember what that was, and update it.
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05:33.26familyhow does applitude work applitude get apt-get
05:33.29family?
05:33.45troubleddondelelcaro: are you around by chance? quick bloot Q
05:33.47Wyzardsimon: That's not enough -- you can't just install, say, apache2 in a different directory, and expect it to work
05:33.53Rat409apitude update  just like apt-get
05:34.02simonWyzard, uh... why not?
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05:34.15Rat409but aptitude handles meta-packages better imoo
05:34.20streuner!tell troubled about ask
05:34.24Wyzardsimon: It needs a variety of libraries which are provided by other packages -- most notably libc, which is already installed in the "real" root filesystem
05:34.46Wyzardsimon: you'd need to have libc in the real root, the apache2 chroot, the bind9 chroot, etc.
05:34.55Wyzardsimon: and when libc gets updated, you have to update all of those copies
05:35.10troubledstreuner: do you know what the proper chanset syntax is for autojoin on a channel? doesnt seem to be working. been ages since ive had to deal with this
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05:35.47bintuti just installed postgresql-8.1. where in my filesystem is the default place where postgresql stores the databases?
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05:35.52Wyzardsimon: same goes for lots of other libraries, like libz, libgnutls (for SSL support), libpthread, etc.
05:36.18simonWyzard, at this point it does seem more complicated than having several (virtualised) servers I just hit a 'make world' on. it seems like chroot is ideal for statically linked applications.
05:36.19Rat409troubled what client?
05:36.26familycan i get udev support on woody?
05:36.27troubledRat409: blootbot
05:36.39Wyzardsimon: yeah, chroot is fine if everything is statically linked and you never update anything
05:36.40streunerfamily: sure
05:36.42Rat409ohh sorry no clue with that one
05:36.47troublednp :)
05:36.55familystreuner how would i do that
05:37.12streunerfamily: but, but WHY the HELL someone Want WOODY?
05:37.27streunertroubled: sec.
05:37.33Wyzardsimon: but statically-linked apps don't get security bugs fixed when a library is updated, unless you recompile the whole program
05:38.04troubledstreuner: ive tried +autojoin, autojoin 1 etc. but i may have -disabled an option that isnt clearly named thats responsible for it
05:38.09Wyzardsimon: and Debian doesn't distribute static apps anyway
05:38.47Wyzardsimon: You could compile your own statically-linked chroot apps from source, completely independent from Debian's packaged stuff, but good luck maintaining that from a long-term standpoint
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05:39.15streunertroubled: cd /var/lib/blootbot
05:39.19Wyzardsimon: better to just make VMs and let the package manager do nice automatic upgrades of everything in each VM
05:39.40familystreuner umm where can i get that realease from
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05:40.08simonWyzard, yup. I suppose there's no way around that darned RTFM'ing. :-)
05:40.09troubledstreuner: im in the bot conf dirs. but this isnt the debian copy. this is my svn branch. probably very similar to the debian version config wise though
05:40.14streunerfamily: uhm, there are surely CDs around, but why do you need that?
05:40.20simonWyzard, you've been a great help. thanks.
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05:40.28familycustomizing something
05:40.32familyi need a mirror
05:40.39streunertroubled: so get the deb and extract that
05:40.42familyftp://ftp.debian.org/debian doesnt carry it
05:40.42Wyzardsimon: If you want to avoid RTFMing, you could use VMware Server...  it has a nice GUI and it's pretty intuitive
05:41.05streunerfamily: sure
05:41.06Wyzardsimon: (and it's client/server so you can run the GUI on a different machine than the actual server where the VMs are)
05:41.15familyi think i found one
05:41.16Rat409and its free the vmware server
05:41.22familyhttp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/
05:41.26streunerfamily: why not just use etch instead?
05:41.52xtor_vmware server is free?? for commercial use??
05:41.54simonWyzard, nah, I had my eyes for linux-vserver. my previous experience with vmware left me annoyed at the overhead.
05:41.59familybecause etch is a headache and a half to make work see this page www.euronode.com
05:42.29Wyzardsimon: Depending on how long ago that was, you might be surprised...  they've made performance improvements in the later versions
05:42.32troubledstreuner: hmm, debian package seems to be just +autojoin as well. thanks, ill test it out
05:42.53Wyzardsimon: but I don't want to discourage  you from using vserver if you're interested in it
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05:44.06familydang it not working cdebootstrap woody http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive
05:44.24nvzwoody?
05:44.26nvzheh
05:44.34streunertroubled: simonrvn is btw co-maintainer (blootbot)...
05:44.43familythis isnt right cdebootstap woody http://http.archive.debian.org/debian-archive this right
05:44.49troubledstreuner: so am I :(
05:44.55streunerheh
05:45.04troubledstreuner: i havent commited anything in ages though
05:45.07familyE: invalid mirro
05:45.15family*mirror
05:45.36streunerfamily: USE ETCH.
05:45.37troubledstreuner: ive dealt with this before. just keep forgetting what it was I did to work around it heh
05:46.49streunertroubled: there is #debian-bots too, but surely you know that
05:47.09troubledstreuner: well, thats the debian maintainers edit. normally its botpark
05:47.44troubledhmm, +autojoin no go. must be one of the weird tla settings i disabled that nobody knows about heh
05:48.05Rat409troubled nice description on the homepage boated awesomely lol
05:48.15Rat409bloated
05:48.16troubledstreuner: the debian version is alot more cleaned up. my branch is off an old trunk copy tim and I were whacking away on
05:48.35troubledRat409: 16mb ram used just on startup :)
05:48.46Rat409indeed :)
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05:49.55Internatis there a tivo type application that is available on debian? Something that allows remote schedualing of shows to record etc would be great
05:51.14WyzardInternat: MythTV
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05:53.30Internatdoes it have a web interface?
05:53.53Wyzarddunno, I don't use it
05:53.58Wyzardbut it has a website where you can read about it
05:54.41Internatkewlies.. looking at it now
05:56.08familyis woody also known as Debian 3.0r2
05:56.20streuner!woody
05:56.20dpkgwoody is probably the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>.
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05:59.01familyha i found woody woody woody woody woody i love my woody
05:59.21nvzyou are sick
05:59.26familyi know
05:59.28family:)
05:59.30nvzyou should seek professional help
05:59.46familyi see a shrink makes it worse imo
06:00.00nvztry cognitive therapy
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06:01.45nvzI see...... and how does that make you feel?
06:01.58Rat409sick but happy??
06:02.07Rat409:)
06:02.10nvzcould you elaborate on that?
06:02.22Wyzardfamily: You do realize woody is obsolete and unsupported, right?
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06:03.07Rat409cushbert or dushku?
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06:03.25familywyzard i dont care
06:03.41WyzardIf you say so
06:03.47kingsleyIs there a filter which accepts multiple text strings on standard input, presents a menu that allows the user to select one, and sends the chosen one to standard output?
06:04.06familywyzard ill put a diffrent kernel on it
06:04.10nvzkingsley: zenity or dialog or something
06:04.25troubledstreuner: ahh, nm. my test server has no motd, and the bot doesnt issue joinNextChan until after MOTD :)
06:04.26Wyzardfamily: that doesn't magically make it up-to-date
06:04.37Wyzardfamily: The kernel is a fairly small part of the system, actually
06:04.40troubledwas gonna say, dont recall having that issue before
06:05.00nvzkingsley: I got scripts that do that with zenity.. they will read lines, randomize them, show results in a listbox, and send the selected one to stdout
06:05.01kingsleynvz: Thanks.
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06:05.30kingsleynvz: Yes, that's pretty much what I'm interested in.
06:05.36familymakes other things work so who cares. all i know is i just need it to run faster then crap i needs to be so fast that my ball sweat flys off.
06:05.49sepI get one set of  "kernel: nfs: server dp-nas not responding, still trying" -> "kernel: nfs: server dp-nas OK"   every 10 seconds. how can i troubleshoot ? debian sarge 2.4.27-3-686
06:05.51nvzkingsley: rl or randomlines or something is what i use for random deals
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06:06.53familynow if you guys can be so kind to let me have a mirror to debian woody it would be greatly appreciated
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06:07.15Wyzardfamily: so you're not trying to make something useful, you're just trying to make something that scores well in an arbitrary speed test so you can brag about it
06:07.47nvzfamily: hello, welcome to 2007 a lot has changed since you crawled out from under a rock with your lonely dx2..
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06:08.15DocPlatypusor, he wants to keep making jokes about how long his woody's been up long after we got tired of them
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06:08.28Rat409lol
06:08.45nvzDocPlatypus: yeah I was thinking that for awhile but I didn't want to go there
06:08.56sepfamily, http://archive.debian.org/
06:09.01DocPlatypusnvz: I didn't really either but that's the only other reason I can think of to run woody
06:09.24Rat409well, it can be a good learning experience
06:09.34kingsleynvz: Which option to zenity allows it read from its standard input?
06:09.35nvzDocPlatypus: or you've been living in a bomb shelter since 2003 or something
06:09.47nvzkingsley: um.. all of them?
06:09.49kingsleydin
06:09.56kingsleyOops, wrong window.
06:10.05familydamn it i just want the fucking mirror thats fucking it jesus fing fling shit if you give me the mirror i will happily leave you cock suckers alone so you can make jokes and finger bang each other i dont give a fuck how old it is i dont give a fuck if it wont work and i sure in the hell dont give a fuck if you make jokes at me now please for a fuck sake let me have the mirror to where its at thank you
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06:10.24Wyzardfamily: You've already gotten two links to places to download woody
06:10.26hark!tell family about debian archive
06:10.36DocPlatypusgood thing we're not on live radio
06:10.40familythank you
06:10.41Guerinfamily: that's not very family-oriented
06:10.42DocPlatypusI would have broken the dump button
06:10.52DocPlatypusdump dump dump dump dump
06:10.58GuerinDocPlatypus: those things are indestructible
06:11.01familyhave a nice night or day
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06:11.09familyand sorry for the language
06:11.10streunerWe should get rid of this troll
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06:11.18SpeedyGyup
06:11.22Guerini often wish one would just malfunction and dump people automatically after ... say ... 15 seconds
06:11.24DocPlatypushe left
06:11.29EznorbYarHai channel.
06:11.35SpeedyGg'morning btw :)
06:11.42GuerinEznorbYar: perhaps you want #debian-jp
06:11.46nvzkingsley: I can give you a simple example
06:11.57EznorbYarGuerin: Haha I'm from Canada :P
06:12.01kingsleynvz: Thanks.
06:12.31Rat409genre?
06:12.37DocPlatypuspunk rock
06:12.42Rat409cool
06:12.53DocPlatypusit's on magnatune.com if you want to see what it's all about
06:13.06EznorbYarHey, does anyone know what the systems reqs for debian are?
06:13.08Rat409thanks,appreciate that :)
06:13.10jaggz1if I'm doing a lot of AI processing that requires a ton of memory, but might not access a lot of it most of the time, might it be useful to have an extra large swap?
06:13.12GuerinEznorbYar: computer
06:13.32Guerinpreferably (but not necessarily) something made since 1993
06:13.38DocPlatypusEznorbYar: for etch? I wouldn't throw less than about a Pentium II@300 at it
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06:13.47Guerinbah
06:13.48DocPlatypuscould be made to run on less
06:14.07EznorbYarhaha okay
06:14.07Rat409dsl  claims 32mb
06:14.19EznorbYarwait...what's etch?
06:14.20nvzkingsley: this was like a beginning of perhaps a baby name chooser or an election simulator or something of the sort I've used it over and over in many situations. http://rafb.net/p/6znMPO17.html
06:14.24Guerinand it was FINE (as a router ... except for the 10Mbit NIC .. and 540MB HDD)
06:14.29DocPlatypusEznorbYar: etch is the latest Debian release
06:14.33EznorbYaroh, ok
06:14.43streunerGuerin: kernel + bash ? :-)
06:14.46Rat409wow 24mb 386dx2 unreal
06:15.04GuerinRat409: 486dx2
06:15.04EznorbYari'm going to try and run it on a PIII 500MHz, with 256MB
06:15.06Guerinsorry
06:15.11Guerinthere were no 386dxen
06:15.17EznorbYarit should be fine then, right?
06:15.26kingsleynvz: Thanks. I've got your example and will study it.
06:15.34GuerinEznorbYar: plenty.
06:15.38EznorbYarcool
06:15.59EznorbYaris the version available at goodbye-microsoft.com the latest version?
06:16.05Rat409didn't think so had an old compudyne lappy 16mbram,was 20 or 25mhz i think 20mb hdd was good for its time 386sx lol
06:16.08streunerGuerin: one of my box has 64 MB RAM and its hardly run on sarge with a 2.6.x kernel...
06:16.13GuerinEznorbYar: no idea, we don't support it.
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06:16.29EznorbYarwhere would you recommend i get it from?
06:16.37nvzkingsley: that pops up a text input for a number, then returns that many random results in a list box and then will pass off the selected one to an info window, so it does nothing really.. but you can easily make it do any number of things
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06:16.46Guerinstreuner: that'll teach you for installing bloatware ... like elinks
06:16.50streunerEznorbYar: just use d-i
06:16.57GuerinEznorbYar: cdimage.debian.org
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06:17.39EznorbYarah, yes, i saw that site Guerin
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06:17.41DocPlatypusGuerin: and maybe it's just me... I run all my routers on OpenBSD now
06:17.45kingsleynvz: One thing I'd like to see it do is accept text on its standard input.
06:17.50Rat409well night guysnight all
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06:17.54GuerinDocPlatypus: me too.
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06:18.00Guerinhey - i turned a latex file into a pdf using pdflatex, and have since deleted the .tex file. I still have the .aux and others, and the pdf. Is it possible to recreate the .tex file (decompile somehow)?
06:18.05EznorbYaris the netinst one the best option?
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06:18.13Guerinand the #laterxers are all off at a fetish party or something
06:18.33Guerinnot the end of the world if I can't
06:18.42streunerRat: there is also DSL orp IPCop, designed for such things...
06:18.49nvzkingsley: echo "foo bar baz" | zenity --list --column=foobar
06:18.51sadminho/join #ltsp
06:18.57nvzkingsley: doesn't that work?
06:19.08streunerDocPlatypus: there is also DSL or IPCop, designed for such things...
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06:19.38nvzkingsley: use xargs, write a script to take the input and pass it to zenity in a sane way that you can implement error control like i was doing..
06:19.45streunerGuerin: that machine should run just fine with IPCop
06:19.55DocPlatypuswhat is IPCop based on?
06:20.08kingsleynvz: Yes, that works. Thank you.
06:20.10nvzkingsley: I run these kinds of scrips directly from icons or hotkeys in x
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06:20.28EznorbYaris there a linux-based version of MSN?
06:20.48Guerinstreuner: i no longer have it ... swapped the CPU out for a dx4-100 and it melted :)
06:20.49defryskamsn but it sucks
06:21.04DocPlatypusoy
06:21.05GuerinEznorbYar: point your irc client to im.bitlbee.org
06:21.08defryskEznorbYar, better to use gaim/pidgin
06:21.11streunerEznorbYar: tried gaim?
06:21.41EznorbYarstreuner: nope, i dont actually have linux yet. i'm switching over this weekend
06:21.51Guerin!bless EznorbYar
06:21.51dpkgO $DEITY, bless your child EznorbYar, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give.  Amen.
06:22.00defrysklol
06:22.10EznorbYarLOL
06:22.19EznorbYarwhy is that?
06:22.24defryskEznorbYar, there is a gaim for windows so why not try it
06:22.45EznorbYaris it one of those multiple-IM things that does AIM, MSN, etc?
06:22.50defryskyes
06:23.05EznorbYarcool, i'll definitely check it out
06:23.12EznorbYarthere's a linux version?
06:23.27Gueringaim was developed for free software
06:23.33Guerinthere's a windows port
06:23.34EznorbYarcool
06:23.36defryskEznorbYar, the linux version is where it orients from see http://www.pidgin.im/
06:23.48Guerinooh, .im
06:23.48evilgeekjust use centericq.
06:23.50Guerin!im
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06:24.11evilgeekthese horrible graphical interfaces only make IMing worse.
06:24.13Guerinbah, now I have to google .im
06:24.32Guerinevilgeek: i agree. I just use bitlbee.
06:24.51Guerinoh, the isle of man
06:24.54evilgeekGuerin: isle of man, clearly.
06:24.55Guerinnice
06:25.15Guerinyeah, well, pardon me for not thinking about a shoddy tax haven just far enough off the welsh coast
06:25.47evilgeekwww.nic.im answers all.
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06:26.44Guerinstreuner: cream.
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06:28.46EznorbYarhow does this pidgin thing work
06:28.58EznorbYardoes the version that says it's for Fedora work on Debian as well?
06:29.28streuneroh, Metal
06:30.09EznorbYaro.0;
06:30.14EznorbYarmetal?
06:30.27EznorbYarare you referring to VtM?
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06:31.04streuneryeah
06:31.32sadminhelo
06:31.34sadminguys
06:31.41tsukasa_im looking for a good usenet client for linux
06:31.44Guerinsadmin: don't be sad.
06:31.48tsukasa_nzb and ssl support would be nice as well
06:31.52tsukasa_any suggestions?
06:31.58sadminany idea i have 4 misc on my debian machine only one has MTU 1400
06:32.10Guerintsukasa_: the 1980s wants its file-sharing mechnism back
06:32.19EznorbYarstreuner: VtM is not metal lol
06:32.23tsukasa_Guerin: i disagree =P
06:32.31Guerintsukasa_: sadly, you are not alone
06:32.35streunerEznorbYar: what is it then?
06:32.35EznorbYarLOL Guerin
06:32.42DocPlatypussome people do actually use Usenet for discussion, not just trading porno
06:32.46EznorbYarstreuner: screamo
06:32.52tsukasa_i need a clientttt. /complain
06:32.58EznorbYarstreuner: or post-hardcore, depending on who you walk to
06:33.01Guerinif all the people who persist foolishly in using usenet switched wholesale to bittorrent, the world would be a glorious place
06:33.03tsukasa_drop a name
06:33.06EznorbYartalk** lol
06:33.15tsukasa_why the fuck would you use bittorrent
06:33.17maploindoes anyone know if code.google's wiki has history support?
06:33.17tsukasa_its slow.
06:33.28GuerinDocPlatypus: yeah, but those people don't need advice on what client to use.
06:33.38EznorbYartorrents are fast as fuck if you get invites to private comms
06:33.51Guerintsukasa_: it's slow because people use usenet instead of it
06:33.52ryan454indeed
06:33.52tsukasa_or i could just use usenet and not have to worry about it ;)
06:34.02Guerinit's *insanely* fast if you have a good community
06:34.13ryan454i max out my connection on private trackers
06:34.16tsukasa_your assuming isps dont chomp down on your line
06:34.26Guerini know, because I run a distro network
06:34.29EznorbYari have a screencap of my download rate at 1.8MB/s
06:34.29tsukasa_your also assuming everyone shares rare shit
06:34.32Jaggz-Will not reuse existing temporary file `debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso.tmp' - it was not created by jigdo-file, or is corrupted.
06:34.43Jaggz-sigh
06:34.43Guerintsukasa_: this is where the `community' aspect comes in.
06:34.46Jaggz-3.7gb
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06:34.48g0thhi
06:35.00Jaggz-what's wrong with my iso.tmp??  :(
06:35.00g0thyesterday I started my pc normally and everything worked
06:35.01tsukasa_Guerin: if you can find a tracker for ultimate fire wrestling, the ps2 japanese iso, released in 2002, then by all means show me im wrong
06:35.04tsukasa_because thats on usenet
06:35.04Guerin!gothsmite g0th
06:35.09g0thnow I get a black screen
06:35.26Guering0th: sound sideal ... or were you wanting some blood droplets?
06:35.44ryan454good point, use usenet if you want shitty things no one wants
06:35.49Guerintsukasa_: that's the point: if the community sharing them would just switch, it'd all be easy.
06:35.55g0thI use debian unstable with the latest nvidia drivers compiled for 2.6.21.6
06:35.57Guerintsukasa_: but inertia is a harsh mistress.
06:36.14g0thI didn't see anything bad  in the xorg log
06:36.40Guerintsukasa_: so anyway, I think the canonical clients are pan, tin and something like slrn
06:36.52Guerinthough I haven't used usenet since about 1998, so don't quote me
06:37.16tsukasa_Guerin: i fail to see how uploading ONCE to a server and having full speed downloads for EVERYONE isnt better then this dribble dribble bittorrent shit
06:37.32salvage!give guerin a blow job
06:37.35EznorbYarhahaha fuck...i havent even heard the name "usenet" in a few years
06:37.42Guerintsukasa_: it's inefficient. And bittorrent is only dribble dribble on mininova and thepiratebay.
06:37.55tsukasa_it is not inefficient.
06:37.59EznorbYarLOL piratebay
06:38.24tsukasa_unless you have a home datacenter with multiple 100mbit dedicated lines that is
06:38.29Guerintsukasa_: it's *incredibly* inefficient.
06:38.38fireba11Guerin : not even on piratebay if you are a bit selective about what torrent to get :-)
06:38.38tsukasa_Guerin: and also not blocked by isps
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06:38.56Guerintsukasa_: that's a temporary phenomenon.
06:39.03Guerinand only shitty ISPs do it.
06:39.13Guerinfireba11: right.
06:39.21DocPlatypusISPs misguided by what they choose to call a "server"
06:39.26tsukasa_Guerin: lolz. like half of the isps available do that
06:39.35tsukasa_or some kind of ratelimiting or bandwidth capping
06:39.39tsukasa_selectively
06:39.48fireba11tsukasa_: imho ISPs that block ports don't offer internet services .. they're crap :-D
06:39.55Guerini run a distro site which regularly maxes my 12Mbit line ... and it routinely got 4megaBYTES per second when I was on uncapped 100mbit
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06:40.06tsukasa_welcome to the united states fireba11
06:40.25Guerintsukasa_: i'm aware only of comcarse. But then, I live in a civilised country.
06:40.44ameyermmm, Comcrap
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06:40.52ameyerthere are others
06:40.55fireba11tsukasa_: as soon as a ISP starts blocking ports around here they quit it fast or they loose a lot of customers :-)
06:41.10ameyerAT&T seems to be going the way of the Comcrap...
06:41.13Guerinfireba11: except that part of comcarse's point is that they have local monopoly in many places
06:41.17deweyhmmm I now have no sound in debian when I play cd or dvd?
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06:41.59DocPlatypusour local cable franchise is not ComCunt after being Time Warnout Cable for years
06:42.04DocPlatypuserr s/not/now/
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06:42.33Guerintsukasa_: anyway, are any of those clients you?
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06:46.21EznorbYaris there an iTunes Linux version?
06:46.47ApEtcOne can only hope not. :)
06:47.14EznorbYarhahaha hey now, i own an 80GB iPod video, i'm forced to use it
06:47.14rvallesI can picture it... apple releases linux itunes
06:47.27rvallesequires you to run a privative kernel module
06:47.36rvallesfor DRM purposes
06:47.37rvalleslol
06:47.56Guerinheh
06:48.02rvallesit replaces cp with his own cp
06:48.09rvallesthat refuses to copy protected stuff
06:48.28Guerinnot to mention closing the analogue hole byt replacing the dsp
06:48.34Guerinoh
06:48.41Guerinand it will all have a brushed steel gui
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06:48.50rvallesGuerin: to listen to the music one actually plugs in an iphone or ipod
06:48.54Guerinand will be called linOSx
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06:49.06rvallesGuerin: the data goes through the cable encrypted
06:49.07Guerinrvalles: right. But only white earphones
06:49.10rvallesGuerin: to protect rights' owners.
06:49.43Guerinand it detects if you give one earphone to your grilfiend when sitting next to her on the bus
06:49.45rvallesApple will refuse to support your earphones
06:49.52rvallesif you paint them black
06:49.55Guerinand deletes your whole music collection as a precaution
06:49.59Guerinyep
06:50.02Guerinand you know what?
06:50.13Guerinthe mactards will STILL fucking love it, and pay $thousands for it
06:50.16xinguapple will bluetooth enable your earphones so that usage tracking can be sent direct back to the itunes store
06:50.18rvallesyes, yes
06:50.21rvallesthat's the worst part
06:50.29g0thhow do I use the nvidia binary drivers with the latest debian unstable
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06:50.41Guering0th: if you're wise, you don't
06:51.16g0thwhat do I do then?
06:51.40Guerinif you want 3d, buy a decent card, or run windows
06:51.47g0theveryone told me I definitely had to use the binary drivers because the other drivers were much much worse
06:51.58g0theg. for 3d
06:52.00Guerinyou need 3d, or no?
06:52.02g0thyes
06:52.12Guerinthen you're probably on the wrong OS
06:52.23xinguGuerin: it's doubly funny at the moment, because xorg7.3 is merged and upstream 100.14.19 isn't.
06:52.27Guerincomplain to nvidia that their crap don't work
06:52.31g0thhow does this answer help me? ^
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06:53.00g0ththe problem is xserver-xorg-core
06:53.11Guering0th: the point is that you're running a broken proprietary driver on an unstable OS, and expressing surprise that it doesn't work. Really, you should be shocked if it *did*
06:53.11g0thit conflicts with nvidia-glx
06:53.24g0thno
06:53.27g0thit's a debian problem
06:53.29g0thnot a driver problem
06:53.35g0thdependency problem
06:53.35Guerinnvidia isn't in debian
06:53.41g0thsure it is
06:53.46Guerinit's there as a courtesy; nothing more
06:53.48Guerinnope
06:53.52Guerinnon-free isn't debian
06:54.05Guerinif it doesn't work, file a bug and hope
06:54.12g0thbut still it's almsot officially in
06:54.17Guerinyes
06:54.33g0thand so many people use nvidia binary drivers
06:54.36g0thso my question is
06:54.37xingug0th: with sid, sometimes the answer is "wait"; this is one of those times.
06:54.43GuerinI think the pin is ALMOST still in the grenade
06:54.52Guerinthe safety catch is ALMOST on
06:54.53g0this this just a bug or can I still install nvidia binary drivers in the latest debian unstable
06:55.00g0thxingu: ahh ok
06:55.01harkg0th: conflicts for a reason, you shpuldn't have upgraded Xorg then
06:55.01g0thhmm
06:55.13g0thhark: I haven't
06:55.21g0thhark: but now the driver fails
06:55.27defryskg0th, if you cannot handle nvidia, dont use sid
06:55.29g0thhark: so I wanted to switch to "nv" driver
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06:55.37g0thbut I can't install it along with nvidia-glx
06:55.38g0th^
06:55.50g0thsee my problem? ;-)
06:55.53harkg0th: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
06:57.23g0th1:7.2-5
06:57.31ffoegboyI have an EMT64 dual core processor, which is the correct debain kernel to use?
06:58.47ixffoegboy: AMD64.
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06:59.28harkonly if you want a 64bit kernel
06:59.58ixwell, duh.
07:00.02ffoegboyix, OK Thanks
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07:01.04harkg0th: sucks then
07:01.13g0thit all worked yesterday
07:01.18g0thI didn't change a thing
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07:02.25harkix: because he might not want to use a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userspace
07:03.13ixhark: the AMD64 port is thoroughly 64bit.
07:03.35ixboth the userspace and the kernel.
07:04.07ixI know nothing of the context, by the way.
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07:05.56harki386 debian actually includes minimalistic AMD64 support, consisting of a 64bit kernel, a toolchain able to create 64bit binaries and the amd64-libs package to run third-party amd64 binaries with native shared libraries.
07:06.24xingusounds just like the flipside of the amd64 support for ia32
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07:07.40xinguhark: just as a sidebar, what is uname -m on that amd64-on-i386 kernel?
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07:09.48harkhmm not sure, don't run it myself
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07:12.09basantaMy system reboots with "Take a break" dialog is this a virus?
07:13.20Penixbasanta: are you sure it reboots?
07:13.29sepbasanta, or someone else is logged in on your system
07:13.49xinguthere's a gnome setting for that...
07:13.55basantasep, no no one
07:13.58Penixcould be one of those RSI related notification apps
07:13.58basantaxingu, what is that
07:14.15harkxingu: surely not rebooting :)
07:14.21basantawhere do I remove it from
07:14.40Penixbasanta: you need to figure out exactly what's happening first
07:14.44sepbasanta, how can you be so sure ? :) tried running who  and lastlog
07:15.17xingubasanta: system->keyboard preferences->typing break
07:15.24harkbasanta: you sure it reboots?
07:15.34Penixbasanta: do what xingu suggested first
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07:17.28dondelelcarotroubled: ask away
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07:18.16troubleddondelelcaro: oh heya. its ok. blootbot wasnt honouring autojoin, turns out it was cause joinChanNext doesnt fire until after the MOTD, which my test server was missin
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07:19.05troubledhad me scratchin my head for a bit :)
07:20.07sepanyone know how i can reduce the amount of retransmissions in nfsv3 ?
07:20.15xingusep: use tcp
07:20.34xinguthere, that was easy. :)
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07:21.07dondelelcaroheh. shift the retransmissions to be tcp retransmissions
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07:21.35xingudondelelcaro: no, the retrans won't happen, because tcp will sniff out the path's bandwidth
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07:21.57dondelelcaroxingu: they'll happen, but it should be less frequent
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07:22.02basantaxingu, got it thanks
07:22.14dondelelcaro(even tcp still looses packets)
07:22.18dondelelcaros/oo/o/
07:22.22trembyhey folks. i've been converted very recently from fedora. running lenny. on fedora /etc/init.d/network restart would shut down the network devices and bring the back up again. on debian /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't seem to quite have the same effect -- is there some other command i want?
07:22.23xingudondelelcaro: they'll only happen at flow setup and if the loss/delay metric change
07:22.31sepxingu, i am
07:22.42sepxingu, i also use timeo=900
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07:23.28dondelelcaroxingu: yerp; the latter tends to happen a bit on heavily used networks.
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07:23.57dondelelcarotremby: lets back up first; why do you want to restart the network?
07:24.20xingudondelelcaro: only if you have useless equipment at each end or have accepted some village idiot's "queue to the moon" packet switching policy. :)
07:24.24sepxingu, i get kernel: nfs: server dp-nas not responding, still trying all the time in the logs. and nfsstat -cr shows a lot of retransmits. and it's incersing all the time
07:24.30trembydondelelcaro: i'm getting a "network is unreachable" message. i can, however ping my router, and my other machine (on which i'm typing) is fine
07:24.54xingusep: sounds like your server is overloaded to me; buy faster disks and more cpu or increase your timeout
07:24.55dondelelcarotremby: so ifdown fooiface; ifup fooiface; if you're sure your network configuration is correct.
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07:25.25sepxingu, ill try incresing it even further. but i did feel that 900 was quite above sane levels allready
07:25.44xingusep: probably time to go at the server with vmstat 1/ iostat 1 kind of tracing.
07:25.56xingusep: also, top, %hi/ %si would be useful.
07:26.11trembydondelelcaro: i'm still getting network is unreachable when trying to ping google.
07:26.13troubledholy net lag batman
07:26.15xingusep: make sure that both ends have NAPI-enabled NIC's
07:26.25xingusep: but most particularly, the server end
07:26.37dondelelcarotremby: then most likely you don't have a default gw
07:26.40sepserver have intel e1000 servercards
07:26.46sepclient too for that matter
07:26.46dondelelcarotremby: are you using dhcp or a static configuration?
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07:27.00xingusep: does ethtool -i report -NAPI version strings?
07:27.30trembydondelelcaro: that's probably it. this machine is going to end up as the gateway and so i've set its ip statically in preparation. i know what to do now though -- i need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and slap a default gateway in there. right?
07:27.43sephmm might be that the virtualization is fckeing things up in between
07:27.47dondelelcarotremby: right. man 5 interfaces; if you need to know the syntax.
07:27.53troubleddondelelcaro: there, think im all synced up now. you get that reply about the motd issue?
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07:28.10trembydondelelcaro: thanks
07:28.58dondelelcarotremby: yeah
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07:29.03dondelelcarotroubled: yeah
07:29.14dondelelcarotremby: np
07:29.25sepxingu, no.  it's using the pcnet32 driver since it's running in vmware
07:29.32trembydondelelcaro: pings are going through now. ta
07:29.43xingusep: aah, you're running nfs (server|client) in a vm?
07:29.47sepclient
07:30.01sepserver is a dedicated nas storage running open-e
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07:30.39sepclient is sarge with the latest sarge kernel
07:31.03xingusep: ok, you might just be looking at some scheduling weirdness on the client; is it possible to construct a synthetic test case with a bare-bones 2.6.20+ kernel, e1000 NIC, equivalent CPU/ DRAM config and push the same traffic volumes about - all as a client holding the server constant?
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07:31.36xingusep: in general my recommendation wrt nfs virtualisation is "don't"; use iscsi or some other blkdev instead
07:32.07CBG`Hi, I have x, x11, xorg and kde installed but when I try to startkde it says "xsetroot: unable to open display '' " and "xset: unable to open display "" "...
07:32.16Uranellushello, got the following situation: some clients have a dns entry 194.b.c.d but themselves are in 10.x.y.z .. now if I give the gateway the ips 10.x.y.1 as well as 194.b.c.d would the system do the dns entries itself, instead routing them somewhere else?
07:32.28sepxingu,perhaps one should try with iscsi.. thanks for your suggestions
07:32.32xingusep: once the virt. crowd have *finished* this containers thing many years down the track, then it should be ok; but running nfs as a vm client is "hairy" from a layering perspective and liable to go wrong/ hit corner cases
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07:32.51GuerinCBG`: /msg dpkg drxx
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07:33.44xingusep: ie, it churns through page buffers in the vm, punches them through the virtualised networking stack, and is liable to hit (task,io) scheduler "beating" issues between the vm and the kernel it's running under
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07:34.13xingusep: virtualised blkdev removes a couple of layers; the same fundamental issues exist, but there's fewer layers of them to go wrong
07:34.50xingusep: the best answer *here now today* is mount your fs's in the hypervisor; then bind-mount into the vm
07:34.52sepi can try with iscsi, but it will couse downtime so it must be scheduled
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07:36.22xingusep: whether or not this is /causing/ your rpc timeouts is a matter of theory too; could be a total red herring
07:36.37xingusep: elminate the smell of fish with a non-virtualised test case on equiv. client hardware
07:36.51simonrvnyeh, like portmap not running ;p
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07:37.38sepxingu, ill try to reproduce on real hardware first
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07:39.58CBG`Thanks Guerin. it is asking now about my mouse... I use a trackpad since this is an ibook, any idea what I choose? /dev/input/mice, /dev/psaux, /dev/ttyS0, /dev/tts0, /dev/gpmdata ?
07:40.31GreaseMonkeytry /dev/input/mice
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07:41.01GreaseMonkeyi think it's the autodetection option or something
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07:41.16GreaseMonkeypsaux is your PS/2 mouse
07:41.29CBG`mouse protocol: ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2 ?
07:41.30GreaseMonkeyttyS0 is your serial mouse
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07:42.12GreaseMonkeypick whichever one is selected, if it doesn't work, you can use dpkg-reconfigure to fix it
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07:42.25CBG`ok thanks
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07:44.43Shiftyhi guys
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07:44.58simonrvnCBG`: /de/input/mice for ibooks
07:45.03simonrvnCBG`: /dev*
07:45.09xingusep: just as a by the by; you can cut down some of the rpc traffic by running your nfs-io-bound app as uid!=0
07:45.31CBG`ok, finished the dpkg-reconfigure...
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07:45.49xingusep: in the uid=0 case, the client attribute cache is a noop
07:45.51CBG`but startkde still gives me the same  "xsetroot: unable to open display '' " and "xset: unable to open display "" " errors.
07:45.53ManuPdoes anybody know a site which offers a pc whichs hardware is *fully*  supported by linux?
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07:47.03xinguManuP: are you on drugs? most commodity pc hardware has a 9-12mo lifecycle
07:47.11slapfacewarewhat do you mean fully
07:47.39xinguthe notebook I bought four weeks ago already has a new variant with a new gpu
07:47.49ManuPxingu, i dont need *the* newest stuff. it should just run.
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07:48.13slapfacewarexingu, so what's your point
07:48.15streunermost common hardware is supported
07:48.26ManuPxingu, atm i own a hp notebook. it took me about two month to get acpi running.
07:48.39streunernot exotic hardware which is hardly 1 month out...
07:48.42ManuPxingu, i dont want to "loose" so much time again
07:48.48xinguslapfaceware: my point is, if you try and park all this information into a single website, the churn will kill the project dead in months
07:48.49simonrvn'lose'
07:48.54slapfacewareso use windows
07:48.58slapfaceware..to save time
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07:49.05streunerManuP: best is, just use groups.google.com (there are problems or not)...
07:49.08simonrvn!slap slapfaceware
07:49.16simonrvn*grin*
07:49.18streuneroh
07:49.21xinguif the gear isn't shipping with linux, then there's about a 60-75% chance that by the time it's written up, it's no longer orderable.
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07:51.16yaccxingu: Yeah, Linux on embedded devices ;)
07:52.03ManuPdoes someone have experience with the asus M2N32 WS board?
07:52.18streunerno
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07:52.28streunerwhy not just use "usenet"?
07:52.35streuner(groups.google.com)
07:53.08ManuPstreuner, hmm... you just seem to be nicer *g*
07:53.28streunerDo you really think one of those 20-30 users who are actually active here are using this special board right now?
07:54.03wols_ManuP: how about asking a realy, answerable question for a change?
07:54.06streunersome asus mobos uses nvidia stuff, there were problems in the past
07:54.11wols_!tell ManuP about smart questions
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07:54.28streuneror just the "ask" factoid...
07:54.32wols_streuner: not really. an I tried debian on GF61xx based boards
07:55.03xinguwols_: mcp6x support is a relatively recent merge, I doubt etch would boot on it ;)
07:55.27streunerwols_: nvidia's mobo chips... NOT videocards
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07:56.35wols_yes, their "consumer" chip for mobos right now is caled GF6100. includes a videocard, IGP
07:56.47streunerok
07:56.58xinguwhether or not manup's hw is any of the above is a google-journey I'm not inclined to take, though :)
07:57.10wols_xingu: it will. what would be the problem?
07:57.16diaficIBM-acpi/thinkpad-acpi. Where do I get it for debian?
07:57.33streunerdiafic: /msg dpkg laptops
07:57.33xinguwols_: no ahci; problems reading the mac addr from the nic
07:57.34wols_!tell diafic about search
07:57.35jazzdiafic, thinkwiki.org
07:57.59diaficjazz, yeah, I just came from there
07:58.02diaficI can't find a package
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07:58.24streunerso read factoid laptops
07:58.49streunerthere should be someone who had this problem before, Linux running just fine with thinkpads
07:59.02jazzdiafic, there are no packages, you have to patch kernel yourself
07:59.14trembyanyone have experience with dnsmasq? i can't get it to respond to dhcp requests
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08:00.01diaficjazz, yeah, I was kinda hoping to get a howto :P
08:00.08wols_tremby: you need to edit dnsmasq.conf for that
08:00.11wols_not enabled by default
08:00.30trembyi have -- maybe i missed something though
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08:00.47jazzdiafic, you didn't find anything relevant on thinkwiki ?
08:01.08diaficNot a howto, anyway :\
08:01.17diaficsomeone needs to make a module for it
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08:05.15streunerhttp://paste.debian.net/37579 <-- hard work for gravity :-)
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08:18.40Ringo9991anyone here using vim? i have a large sql script file (500MB), and behind every character there is a zero value (NUL/^@)? how to get rid fo these? is it wrong text encoding?
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08:24.10semprixis it possible to downgrade from php 5 to php 4
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08:24.40xinguRingo9991: just as a guess, try LANG=C vim foofile.
08:24.53xinguRingo9991: could be that the file or vim is assuming utf-8 on-disk encoding
08:25.00Nazcafanwhat is the command that sets the X server priority ? it was something like debconf, ...
08:25.31Ringo9991xingu: could be that it is some encoding issue, but im pretty clueless when it comes to this topic
08:25.42Guerinx server priority of what?
08:25.56Guerinsemprix: no.
08:26.00Ringo9991i tried setting encoding to utf-16/utf-8, but nothing changed
08:26.12xinguRingo9991: hence the suggestion to force LANG; try LANG=C or LANG=en_US.UTF-8
08:26.13semprixGuerin: but there is still php4 on lenny
08:26.29NodeSurf( mumble ) .. nice .. ( mumble )
08:26.45Guerinsemprix: then it's not a downgrade; it's a different version in the archive
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08:27.15Guerinsemprix: a downgrade would be going from one version to a lower version of the same deban package
08:27.27semprixyeah yeah i know
08:27.31semprixthanks anyways
08:27.33semprix:)
08:27.34NazcafanGuerin: the X server is a process and it has a priority
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08:28.05GuerinNazcafan: oh, you want to nice it. I don't know if you can set that, actually. But try dpkg-reconfigyure xserver-xorg
08:28.17Guerinwith proper speling
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08:28.42NazcafanGuerin: there is another way, I used it, it was something like debconf.
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08:29.03Nazcafanand it launched a ncurses program that would ask something like 2 questions
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08:29.28maddashif I create an entry inside my crontab with `crontab -e`, specifying, "* *  * * 1-5 /home/me/alarm", the file /home/me/alarm should be executed as soon as the crontab command returns, right?
08:29.33Guerinyou wouldmn't typically call debconf directly, but d-r does
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08:34.28rob33nhi how we configure the wireless card? wlan 802.11
08:34.53rob33nI'm using debian etch
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08:39.03KR-datahow do I make Linux set the group ownership to the same as the parent folder, when a user is creating a new file or folder?
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08:39.20NazcafanGuerin: ok, I got the answer, I think it is dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
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08:44.25GuerinNazcafan: oh, nifty.
08:44.30KR-datalike if I as root create a new file in /var/www/somesite.com then it's ownership is set to root:root, but should be set to root:www-data
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08:45.17jelly-homeKR-data: set the setgid bit on the directory
08:45.35NazcafanGuerin: oh ok
08:45.41Nazcafan:-)
08:45.50KR-datajelly-home ah, that was a simple answer :p nice, thanks :)
08:45.51jelly-homeKR-data: info coreutils 'File permissions'
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08:58.02dpkgPlease don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
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08:59.51tristianHi all - my apt seems very broken on this box... Just wondered if anyone had experienced (and hopefully fixed) what I am seeing. an apt-get update yeilds http://pastebin.ca/704329 - I have tried increasing my apt cache to an unfeasably large number and get the same error, and have tried restoring backups of the apt status file to no avail (the package with the error just seems to change).
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09:00.36maddashrofl 'emc'
09:01.04maddashtristian: most of these guys are EST,PST,CST
09:01.40tristianmaddash ahh - could be waiting a while then
09:01.50maddashtristian: have you tried googling your error?
09:02.04maddashthat usually helps me a lot, if it doesn't solve my problem
09:02.32tristianmaddash, yeah - thats how I came round to trying the increased cache size and restoring backups of the status file.
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09:02.41zophywhat kind of crack are y0ou smoking ?
09:02.42petemctristian: /msg dpkg mmap
09:03.32tristianpetemc, yeah - thats the increased cache size... seems to make no difference
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09:04.17petemctristian: it should - but you shouldnt have sources lines for all 3 debian releases
09:04.23bobfarrellSomeone say crack?
09:05.00tristianpetemc huh.. I hadn't noticed I did...
09:06.16zophyshould i select SLUB in the kernel config ?
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09:07.06tristianpetemc ah! removed unstable and experimental and it seems to now work! Good spot :-)
09:07.07zophyi think i notice sluggish behavior from firefox after doing so
09:07.39zophyi think i notice sluggish behavior frthe kernelconfigom firefox after doing selecting SLUB in
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09:07.58zophyi think i notice sluggish behavior from firefox after doing selecting SLUB in the kernel config
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09:08.05microtux!parport
09:08.05dpkghmm... parport is at http://www.torque.net/parport/
09:08.51zophyspecifically when clicking on a tab selection
09:09.02harktristian: unless you've got pinning going, better to remove stable and testing instead
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09:10.04zophybobfarrell, `what kind of crack are y0ou smoking ?
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09:10.15harkfirefox sluggish?
09:10.30zophyi know it's hard ti imagine
09:10.40bobfarrellzophy: Afghani hash flavoured crack. :)
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09:11.00bobfarrellzophy: free/libre hash, obviously. ;)
09:11.06zophybobfarrell, `wanna party ?
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09:11.21maddashwell, now that we're all awake and chummy, perhaps we could answer my previous question:
09:11.23maddash04:29:27 <maddash> if I create an entry inside my crontab with `crontab -e`, specifying, "* *  * * 1-5 /home/me/alarm", the file /home/me/alarm should be executed as soon as the crontab command returns, right?
09:12.49zophywhat does * * * * 1-5  describe ?
09:13.30maddashevery minute of every hour of every weekday.
09:13.40tristianhark well I would - but I need various bits of software from stable (to mirror our live server environment)...
09:14.21zophyis alarm set +x ?
09:14.51zophy"as soon as"
09:15.27zophytemporal
09:15.44petemctristian: what does "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" say
09:15.44maddashyes, I made sure to `chmod a+x`
09:16.28tristianpetemc: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1
09:16.34tristianpetemc 2.6.1-1+b1
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09:17.57maddashscrew this, 'm goin gtobed
09:17.59petemctristian: ok, just wanted to know which release you were running
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09:21.31bobfarrellzophy: I'll try my best, but it's 10:20 and I haven't been to bed yet. :)
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09:22.38anunahI have made a multisession dvd and now can't to mount it. Is there any trick for this or what's the problem?
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09:24.51bobfarrellanunah: How big is the dvd in total?
09:24.59bobfarrellAnd what kernel do you have?
09:25.30anunah<bobfarrell> ~ 2,5G + 1,2 G
09:25.42anunahtotal ~3,7G
09:26.13anunahkernel 2.6.22-2
09:26.30anunah2.6.22-2-686
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09:27.43bobfarrellHave you used mount -o session=n ?
09:28.08anunahi have tried this, bu result is the same (
09:28.16bobfarrellWhat's the output?
09:28.38anunahUDF-fs: No partition found (1)
09:28.38anunahUnable to identify CD-ROM format.
09:28.44KR-datahow do enforce newly created files and folders to have specific permissions? Is it possible to make it specific to location (and subfolders) without enforcing the setting to everything the user does?
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09:29.15bobfarrellanunah: you might be better off burning iso9660 instead of udf? I'm not sure.
09:29.21bobfarrellAlternatively you can try cdfs.
09:29.26slapfacewarehow do i store output of firewall rules : iptables
09:29.41bobfarrellWhich allows you to access individual tracks as seperate filesystems.
09:29.42anunahiso9660 doesn't allow files more than 2G
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09:29.51bobfarrellAh, fair enough then.
09:29.51petemcslapfaceware: iptables-save , how did you compose the rules?
09:30.02slapfacewareno petemc
09:30.16bobfarrellThis is, as far as I know, one of those unfortunate little things that isn't quite implemented perfectly in linux.
09:30.23slapfacewarei want to import certain firewall rules
09:30.36bobfarrellBut you should still get some functionality out of it; enough to not have to switch OS anyway. :)
09:30.53petemcslapfaceware: make up your mind
09:30.55slapfacewarenow, i have firewall-saves, how do i import those outputs?
09:30.55KR-databobfarrell, as far as I know udf is fine as long as you don't intend to use it on win 98 or other older systems
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09:31.25KR-databobfarrell, but I'm not 100% sure though
09:31.52bobfarrellKR-data: I should think so, was a bit of a stab in the dark. :)
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09:32.54KR-dataanyone with a good guide to umask? I'm having trouble understanding it :(
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09:35.03bobfarrellman umask?
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09:35.59KR-datano manual entry :( and if I remember correctly I din't understand it proberly :(
09:36.16bobfarrellOkay, well, you understand its purpose, right?
09:36.50claudio`KR-data: you'll find the umask exlpanation in your shell man page.
09:36.55claudio`*explanation
09:37.21KR-databobfarrell, as far as I know it is a way to tell what permissions newly created files and folder should have
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09:37.44Jonahhi guys i've got a huge music collection but i can't play the oggs on my ipod, is there a way i can batch them all to mp3 but keep them in the folders layout they're in so i know what album is what and which artist is which etc? and also delete and replace the ogg witht he mp3? please if anyone can help... been trying to do it on my mac but after converting them it sticks them all in same folder and then itunes doesnt know which is which and where they al
09:37.44Jonahl belong. big mess
09:37.47bobfarrellYeah, you set it and all files will be created with that mask.
09:37.51KR-dataclaudio`, hmm I could find 'man umask'
09:38.09claudio`KR-data: that's the C function reference, not the shell command.
09:38.24bobfarrellWell, it's a mask, so whatever you set it to will be && on top of what's already there.
09:38.38bobfarrellKR-data: yeah, if you've recently installed C docs you'll have it.
09:38.39KR-databobfarrell, is it correct that the best place to set it in the users .bashrc if I wan't to enforce et every time?
09:38.43nozy_.
09:38.55bobfarrellKR-data: yep.
09:38.59bobfarrell~/.bashrc, that is.
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09:39.10bobfarrellUnless you want it systemwide, if so elsewhere.
09:39.19KR-databobfarrell, well until now I haven't had the need for it ;) but I should be able to find it via google though
09:39.41bobfarrellKR-data: I think the best way to remember stuff like this is just remember the codes for what you're going to use.
09:39.45KR-databobfarrell, well the only thing giving me trouble now then, is how to get the right number :)
09:39.55bobfarrellYou can work them out, then remember them and not worry about exactly how it works.
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09:40.21KR-datais the some converter from the chmod-permissions to umask?
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09:40.26KR-data*there
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09:40.44bobfarrellYeah, I think how it works is basically whatever you have in the umask will be turned off.
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09:42.13adrian15May I know who is the Debian installer responsible?
09:42.34KR-databobfarrell, ok? Is that to understand that if I would've set chmod to 777 I would use umask 000 and 700 then 0777? Or?
09:42.56simonrvnadrian15: responsible for what?
09:43.12adrian15simonrvn: The grub installation part
09:43.30slapfacewareis reiserfs considered a buggy file system?
09:43.42simonrvnadrian15: not clear on what you're asking. you wanna talk to someone about that?
09:43.48slapfacewarei have an reiserfs, it's crash alot
09:43.50bobfarrellKR-data: For example, try: touch foo && umask 555 && touch bar && ls -l
09:43.53simonrvnslapfaceware: yes
09:44.13adrian15simonrvn: About the algorightm the debian installer uses for installin grub or at least knowing where I can check it.
09:44.15KR-databobfarrell, I'll try
09:44.19KR-databobfarrell, thanks
09:44.33bobfarrellYou'll notice no-one has read access anymore.
09:44.38simonrvnadrian15: erm, better to ask on irc.oftc.net#debian-boot
09:44.58adrian15simonrvn: ok, thank you.
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09:45.22bobfarrellKR-data: So you just look up the numerical value for the ones you don't want, work out A && B && C and that's the value you want.
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09:45.37bobfarrellKR-data: Or if you can't do that then just find a reference somewhere to the exact combination you want.
09:45.58bobfarrellLike I said, you just need to remember the useful ones. :)
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09:47.35MajorPoopyPantswhats the command to see the available groups on my system
09:47.58PenixMajorPoopyPants: cat /etc/groups?
09:48.05MajorPoopyPantsthanks
09:48.06Penixgroup rather
09:48.35MajorPoopyPantswhoah no wheel group???
09:48.43MajorPoopyPantswhats the debian equivalent to wheel
09:48.45PenixMajorPoopyPants: this ain't no bsd
09:48.53PenixMajorPoopyPants: what are you trying to do?
09:48.57MajorPoopyPantsyeah? well it runs like the bejeezus
09:49.00MajorPoopyPantsjust adding a user
09:49.13PenixMajorPoopyPants: no need to add it to anything like wheel
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09:49.41MajorPoopyPantsmaybe run sc_trans once in a rare while if im in the hospital
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09:51.53KR-datacan I set a umask that only works for a specific folder and for all users?
09:52.10simonrvnumask doesn't work that way. man umask
09:52.11MajorPoopyPantshey Penix - thanks, I appreciate 'yo help
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09:52.40MajorPoopyPantsand damn fine distro to the dev's, nothing like a super short install that boots into a rock solid os
09:52.56KR-datasimonrvn, I haven't got the man on my comp :(
09:53.10Joranokay, I'm pretty sure this is a bug but I need to work round it... during the install, having made the 2x raid-1 arrays (md0 and md1) for swap and /boot, and the raid5 md2 array, it asked me where to install grub... well /dev/md0 is /boot and raid-1 and set bootable on all disks (sd{abcd}1) so I go ahead and say /dev/md0.  Installer issues no problems with that and carries on to reboot, where no valid boot device found :(
09:53.21bobfarrellKR-data: can you not just change the permissions on the folder?
09:54.11bobfarrells/folder/directory/ :/
09:54.14KR-databobfarrell, well I working on some subversion settings, to make it behave, but I wan't some lesser restrictive settings there than usual
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09:54.55jduggan_Joran: afaik you cant install grub onto md0, install to /dev/sda, then install to sb once you're booted
09:55.02jduggan_sdb*
09:55.17KR-databobfarrell, though I could make a hook, that does the work for me now :p but if I could make a more interesting setting that would be more fun ;) I like to learn more about controlling the permissions correctly
09:55.40bobfarrellKR-data: Control freak ;)
09:56.00Joranjduggan_: so definitely a bug then - the installer shouldn't accept md0 as a valid install target. grrr
09:56.01KR-databobfarrell, true ;)
09:56.59bobfarrellKR-data: Anyway, if you're using svn I'm sure you can hack together a simple bash script to set a umask and just have your users do that.
09:57.06bobfarrellUnless I misunderstood what you meant.
09:57.58Joranin rescue mode, it's saying "The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly" when I issue "grub-install /dev/sda" or "grub-install /dev/md0"
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10:00.12KR-databobfarrell, that one is easy :) the funny part is to make the Linux terminal do the stuff for me ;)
10:01.19bobfarrell$ w3m
10:01.37bobfarrell[Smoke lots of weed and sleep a lot]
10:01.40bobfarrell$ okay
10:01.41KR-databobfarrell, svn has some hook-scripts and I could easily make a prehook containin "umask 007"
10:01.45Joranokay, so TERM=bterm is invalid in the chroot, but TERM=vt100 or TERM=linux both have no line-wrap.... how do I get a proper TERM setting in rescue mode so I can actually run grub properly?
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10:02.12bobfarrellKR-data: heard of git?
10:02.20KR-databobfarrell, but well I might just have accept that it won't do the work for me
10:02.32KR-databobfarrell, I have, but I haven't researched it :)
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10:02.57bobfarrellKR-data: I don't know much about either, having never used them on the other end, but git's been a pleasure for me.
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10:03.12bobfarrelle.g. "git diff" for making patches is great.
10:03.19bobfarrellDon't know if there's something similar in svn.
10:04.12KR-databobfarrell, svn diff if I remember correctly :)
10:04.36KR-databobfarrell, but I might someday research the difference between those two
10:06.14bobfarrellHeh, yeah I'm only going on what someone said to me.
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10:07.52KR-databobfarrell, hehe well sometimes that's the best way I just like to have total control and prime security... Well though it's a bad thing that I haven't had the time to read a guide to iptables :p I'm a padawan with much to learn still ;p
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10:08.05karyookAfter some upgrade, i don't have /dev/hdb any more (which was my CDROM). If i do an mknod /dev/hdb..., it is removed after restart
10:08.24bobfarrellkaryook: /dev/cd0?
10:08.39dondelelcarokaryook: do you still have /dev/cdrom?
10:08.47karyookno
10:08.49bobfarrellSorry, /dev/cdrom*
10:08.53karyookno
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10:09.02karyookand no /dev/cd0
10:09.02bobfarrellscd0?
10:09.28karyooknegative
10:09.37dondelelcarokaryook: if you have no /dev/cdrom*, then for whatever reason your cdrom is not being detected. Check what dmesg says and/or check the cabling.
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10:09.51karyookdondelelcaro, i checked cabling
10:10.09karyookso it is probably a missing module ? (it was working before upgrade, and i changed nothing_
10:10.34bobfarrellYeah, check lsmod | grep cd
10:10.53karyookehci_hcd               32520  0
10:10.53karyookuhci_hcd               23176  0
10:11.03bobfarrellNo cdrom module at all.
10:11.13karyookmmm
10:11.19bobfarrellTres bizarre. :/
10:11.25karyookoui
10:11.53bobfarrellHave you googled for any possible problems with the kernel and your drive?
10:12.14bobfarrell(I'm assuming a kernel upgrade was part of the upgrade?)
10:12.28karyookyes
10:12.34karyookkernel upgrade was part of it
10:12.43karyooki did a quick search and nothing so far
10:12.43Joranaaaarrrgh.... I have a different linux on my ide disk... which I can boot, and debian swraided on the satas.... grub booted from the ide only shows one hdd! (hd0) :S is this not gonna ever work?
10:12.47bobfarrellDo you have a fairly standard drive?
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10:13.12Joranthe ide device is gonna be removed and the satas were to boot :(
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10:13.39karyookyes
10:13.41karyookstandard one
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10:13.58bobfarrellkaryook: Sorry, then, can't really help. You _are_ running debian, right? ;)
10:14.19karyookyes
10:14.20karyooklol
10:14.40bobfarrellWeird. I run sid and never had any trouble with anything like that.
10:15.07bobfarrellDid you check your dmesg output like someone else said?
10:15.38karyookyes
10:15.40karyookany way
10:15.49karyooki am adding some modules and will do reboot to see what happens
10:15.51karyookcha cha
10:16.24KR-datahmm is umask just a command like while with no path, or is it a program like umount?
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10:21.49Turquoiseris there any unofficial etch deb for postfix + vda patch?
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10:24.09bobfarrellKR-data: it's a program.
10:24.35KR-databobfarrell, do you know the path, because I can't find it ;(
10:24.55bobfarrellKR-data: sorry, I said the wrong thing.
10:25.34KR-databobfarrell, ah ok :) I thought it was strange that it didn't seem to have a program
10:26.01bobfarrellYeah, "which umask" will return nothing, so it's not loading an executable file.
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10:26.43bobfarrellPretty tired; my pointers aren't dereferencing properly. :)
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10:29.53BrackiAfter switching my harddisk i want to give up my raid1. Is there anything else i need to do? edit fstab, edit lilo, rerun lilo?
10:30.29bobfarrellBracki: HDs are detected pretty low down the food chain, you shouldn't need to do too much.
10:30.39bobfarrellThat should be plenty.
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10:30.58sobersabrehi guys.
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10:31.22sobersabreIs it possible to run 32 bit applications on a system running amd64 bit kernel ?
10:31.49unilynxquestion, is debian eventually going to use gstreamer as the default, as opposed to xine?
10:32.09bobfarrellsobersabre: Yep.
10:32.22sobersabrebobfarrell: what do I do or read to achieve this ?
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10:33.44bobfarrellsobersabre: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534
10:33.54sobersabreTHANKS!!!!
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10:34.00sobersabremy fav. site :0
10:34.03sobersabre:)
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10:34.13bobfarrellHeheh.
10:34.33iguannahi, please how do i get the kerner version of debian testing?
10:35.09bobfarrelliguanna: uname -r
10:35.22unilynx2.6.21 currently
10:35.26iguannai think that it is 2.6.22, but i don't know sure, i am looking for debian.org but nothing found.
10:35.34bobfarrellOh. :/
10:35.36bobfarrellMy mistake.
10:36.29iguannaunilynx: 2.6.21-2?, where can i see it sure?
10:36.42bobfarrellHehe, he doesn't belive you. ;)
10:36.59unilynxummm... packages.debian.com?
10:37.16unilynxsearch for kernel and it should be there under testing
10:37.23Shiftyhow can i disable the automatic timeout of a ssh session?
10:38.13petemcShifty: theres none by default, its usually a shitty firewall that causes that
10:38.36Shiftyoh... ok...
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10:39.53bobfarrelliguanna: 2.6.21+8
10:40.16bobfarrellw3m http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages | grep linux-image
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10:41.01vyrus001is there a problem using a for loop to make windows in ncurses? i get the err main.cpp:43: error: variable-sized object 'win_buttons' may not be initialized when doing so?
10:41.19CokeWhere can I change so that gdm listens for remote TCP X connections? /etc/gdm contains no -nolisten's so I don't understand why it won't listen. Is there any other config file I should change?
10:41.49bobfarrellvyrus001: Tried asking in the right channel? ;)
10:41.51sobersabretry searching for notcp ...
10:42.01sobersabreCoke: that's for you.
10:42.04vyrus001bobfarrell,  other than c++ and ncurses?
10:42.15Cokesobersabre: no such thing. searched "tcp"
10:42.33Coke(in /etc/gdm and /etc/X11)
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10:43.53karmatronicCoke: it s in gmd.conf
10:44.08karmatronicgdm.conf
10:44.38Cokekarmatronic: there's something called DisallowTCP, but I don't know where to put it (the file has sections)
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10:44.47Shiftywhere can i define wich user are allowed to connect with a ssh client?
10:45.04sobersabregrep -ir tcp /etc/gdm/*
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10:45.36karmatronicCoke: use gdmsetup , it would be faster
10:45.37Cokesobersabre: it does NOT contain it. already went throught his.
10:45.38slapfacewarewhat is that command to create new fs?
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10:45.41slapfacewarenewfs?
10:45.52CokeIt's suposed to be under [security], got it by googling.
10:45.58jduggan_Shifty: AllowUsers username in sshd_config
10:45.59Cokeonly one way to test.
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10:47.20sobersabreCoke: what debian system do you have ?
10:47.23CokeI added "DisallowTCP=false" in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf as suggested by several pages, yet when I nmap my machine there's no X11 login available.
10:47.26CokeTesting.
10:47.27slapfacewarehow to create new file system
10:47.33slapfacewarethere's no newfs
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10:47.33Cokeslapfaceware: mkfs
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10:48.18sobersabreCoke: can you try using GUI ?
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10:48.32iguannaunilynx, bobofarrell: thanks friends.
10:48.49unilynxanytime :)
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10:49.37Cokesobersabre: I did now. so, xdmcp is what I should use?
10:49.44sobersabreyes.
10:50.08sobersabrealso make sure you configure it to listen on the correct interface
10:50.21sobersabreI think by default it binds to 127.0.0.1
10:50.30Cokesobersabre: so I need BOTH xdmcp and TCP listen?
10:50.53karmatronicCoke: no , you dont need xdmcp
10:50.55sobersabreCoke: I don't know. last time I used "remote sessions" it was with solaris thin clients.
10:50.58sobersabre:)
10:51.07sobersabreI am usually using vnc
10:51.14sobersabreor ssh forwarding.
10:51.29karmatronicsobersabre: or both
10:51.50sobersabreI usually am satisfied with command line.
10:51.51Cokekarmatronic & sobersabre: there, nmap reports an X server on port 6000 on both lo and eth1 interfaces.
10:52.05sobersabrethere you have it.
10:52.12sobersabreyou don't have to use  nmap.
10:52.21karmatronicCoke: it doesnt only bind on 127.0.0.1
10:52.23sobersabreyou can check locally: netstat is your friend.
10:52.24Cokesobersabre: oh, so am I, but this order system has to work with a GUI. doing it via X will ensure that we can run it from the winblows clients too
10:52.46Cokesobersabre: tried vnc, but I have problems with it propagating graphics (window buttons in particular)
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10:53.08sobersabreCoke: whatever you want.
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10:53.51CokeThe XP machine hung when I tried installing Cygwin on it, any known "feature" Microsoft has put in there perhaps?
10:53.59sobersabrejust keep in mind this way no compression is done, and I think it creates more serious overheaed to the network than when using VNC
10:54.25petemcCoke: no, should work fine
10:55.09Cokesobersabre: but vnc sucks. 1) it requires me to use a custom, non-pam password and 2) it doesn't display the theme correctly, it's missing both borders and buttons
10:55.54karmatroniclñklsalñxkcldskcxlds
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10:56.06CokeI want to login with a proper user -and- have it display the window correctly. So far, remote X is the only thing I've tried that does that.
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10:57.48sobersabreCoke: I don't know your setup.
10:57.57sobersabreif this is for users, I agree, it sucks
10:58.15sobersabrebut for me, connecting to the server in graphic mode is a very rare thing.
10:58.20bullgard4What is meant by 'CRB' in the dmidecode output "This is the Intel Alviso Chipset CRB Platform"?
10:58.23sobersabreI don't even run vnc all the time.
10:58.42sobersabreso... once in a while, I am running this manually, kill it manually.
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10:58.50sobersabreit displays everything correctly.
10:58.51Cokesobersabre: I do it all via telnet myself. krb auth.
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11:01.59dell_linwhy and when i should use su -c "xxx"
11:02.16sobersabreCoke: nice.
11:02.28sobersabredell_lin: whenever you need to...
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11:02.52sobersabrewanna do it right now ?
11:02.59sobersabreGo for it!
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11:03.27dell_lincan u pls tell me diffrace betwwen normal command and su -c command
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11:03.37triplchi all
11:04.38triplcWhich device is port COM1, COM2? I am using minicom to config a Cisco router... but I do not know which port to connect. The default /dev/tty8 does not seem to be the right one.
11:04.38sobersabredell_lin: why don't you read su man page?
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11:06.17sobersabredell_lin: while you're at it, read also sudo man page.
11:06.21sobersabresudo is better.
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11:06.37dell_linok
11:06.44dell_linwhy sudo is better ?
11:07.09sobersabrebecause with sudo you can allow user to run 1 command from 1 host as 1 userid, with special set of arguments.
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11:07.21sobersabreand you don't have to tell him the password of the target user.
11:07.57sobersabredell_lin: understand /
11:08.00sobersabre?
11:08.06dell_linyes
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11:09.16sobersabreand if you dissallow su, your local user won't be able to run password  cracker based on su
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11:14.38bobfarrellKiLL alL winDowS UseR!!111
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11:15.59sobersabrebobfarrell: what's up man ?
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11:16.17dv_can anyone confirm that? http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20070919-00
11:16.33sobersabredv_: what is 'that' ?
11:16.47bobfarrellsobersabre: just chilling.
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11:16.53dv_ion being non-free now
11:17.02bobfarrellYeah, ion dev went nuts.
11:17.04bobfarrellConfirmed.
11:17.06dv_://
11:17.11dv_I mean he was nuts before
11:17.11bobfarrellApparently he hates linux.
11:17.15bobfarrellAnd free software.
11:17.22bobfarrellAnd is having a big hissy fit about it.
11:17.28bobfarrellIn steps stumpwm. :)
11:17.39unilynxvirtualbox was added to testing. nice.
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11:18.00dv_cant find anything about this on his site
11:18.13dv_oh hold on, missed the debian copyright notice
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11:18.21ofirg_hi
11:18.28bobfarrellHello.
11:18.53ofirg_where is the appropriate place to put my own scripts for general system wide use?
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11:19.24bobfarrellofirg_: How many users will be using them? Just you?
11:19.27gEEkanyone knows why ftp.debian.org now doesn't contain full debian archives?
11:19.33gEEkit only contains i386 and amd64 now
11:19.34ofirg_bobfarrell,  no
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11:19.51ofirg_bobfarrell, a few
11:19.54bobfarrellofirg_: /usr/local/bin then, it's up to you.
11:20.10bobfarrellJust somewhere in $PATH that seems sensible to you. :)
11:20.20dv_I suppose putting rms, esr, de raadt and tuomo valkonen in the same room wont end peacefully  :)
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11:21.02sobersabreofirg_: if this is a script for users, put it in their path.
11:21.11sobersabreif this is for you, put it outside their path.
11:21.17ofirg_ok
11:21.53sobersabreofirg_: I usually don't put anything even in my path, unless I have to.
11:22.11sobersabreso I don't accidentally run something...that I don't need to.
11:22.41ofirg_sobersabre, it is interactive so no damage will be just from running it
11:22.44jellyWhy does Debian have "host" from year 2000?
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11:23.53larsl`Which package is the info page for GNU Make in?
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11:29.10toad_what will the consequences be of installing xorg 7.3 from testing? over time my system will be more and more testing and less stable, right?
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11:30.47liableit will pull in a shitload of depends, so you prolly may as well run testing
11:31.11liableyou can check backports.org for new xorg stuff
11:31.26toad_backports only has 6.9
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11:32.17liablebe warned before you try testing, it can be just as broken as sid, with packages going missing at times due to rc bugs and such
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11:33.29bobfarrellAw, sid ain't broken. :)
11:33.36toad_yeah i have some messy stability tradeoffs here due to the need to have tv-out :|
11:35.05jellytoad_: you might as well go fully testing.
11:35.17liabletoad_: if you are comfortable getting dirty with dpkg, and fixing things here and there, or at least willing to do some homework on how, give it a whirl
11:35.41liablebe warned, theres no going back, 'cept reinstall
11:36.11sobersabrethanks all, bye bye
11:36.16Brackihow can i create a MBR?
11:36.20ixfimbr
11:36.24ixfixmbr!
11:36.28liableerm
11:36.30bobfarrellHa: "Debian is a complex fucked up mess." -Tuomo Valkonen.
11:36.35liableare we in #windows?
11:36.39ix:D
11:36.41Brackino
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11:36.57Brackibut just running lilo doesnt seem to be suffiecient
11:36.59liableBracki: grub-install /dev/foo
11:37.05bobfarrellI think Tuomo Valkonen is projecting again.
11:37.13Brackino grub on woody
11:37.17ixBracki: install-mbr from the mbr package, I think
11:37.20liablewtf is he?
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11:37.31bobfarrellliable: ion3 dev.
11:37.41ixBracki: not sure if it touches the bootsector part.
11:37.46liableBracki: i think you should double check that
11:37.55basantacan't login in my fedora system
11:37.57liableBracki: and wtf are you still running woody?
11:38.04Roninbasanta: ?
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11:38.09basantaPam failure
11:38.26basantawhere to check?
11:38.32liablebasanta: thats nice, i suggest you tell #fedora
11:38.38Roninbasanta: #fedora would be a good start
11:39.38bobfarrellHehehe, his justification for stopping Xinerama support: "I'm not going to waste my time supporting and helping anyone enlarging their penises with multihead configurations."
11:39.53toad_my basic problem is i have some nasty kernel bugs that can't be debugged while i use the nvidia binary blob ... and i must have tv-out. the solution *appears* to be xorg 7.3. i have used testing in the past, i've occasionally had to vi the packages status file etc ... hmmm, i'll try with the fglrx driver, if it's still not stable, i may go testing...
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11:40.08toad_bobfarrell: lol
11:40.08liablebobfarrell: we really dont care :P
11:40.27bobfarrellliable: Speak for yourself ;)
11:40.41jellybobfarrell: sorry, how is this topical?
11:40.59bobfarrelljelly: Someone brought it up earlier.
11:41.03bobfarrellQuit yer moanin.
11:41.20rileyrgHi. I recently decided to move to testing because of issues with SATA drives. Unfortunately now Iceweasel starts up amd sites there for about 40 seconds before connecting/rendering web pages from my "home page" settings. Any ideas what could be causing this startup delay?
11:41.33rileyrgs/sites/sits
11:41.33jelly!penixstrike bobfarrell
11:41.33dpkgA towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking bobfarrell to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
11:41.36liabletoad_: give it a burl, if your somewhat confident xless you should be fine
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11:42.15toad_k thanks
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11:42.41liablerileyrg: dns issues? do other apps take as long?
11:43.28rileyrgliable: no. At least I dont think so. My getmail scripts are instantaneous.
11:43.49liablerileyrg: check bts then
11:43.53rileyrgI also tribed clearing up caches/cookies etc
11:43.58rileyrgliable: bts?
11:44.02RvGaTewith dhcpd3, is there a tool that gives me the currently connected clients, their mac adresses, and their assigned ip adresses?
11:44.11liablerileyrg: bugs.debian.org
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11:44.55Greek-Boyhi
11:45.09Greek-Boyhow do i change the hostname?
11:46.03liable!hostname
11:46.03dpkguse hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname'
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11:48.13ofirg_hi
11:48.30ofirg_I added myself to a group but I don't seem to have it on termial
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11:50.27ofirg_do I need to logout? and relogin?
11:50.49oldude67um...yeah
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11:53.01liableofirg_: yes
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12:06.31danielWhere's mencoder? It's nowhere to be found
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12:09.08liabledaniel: debian-multimedia.org
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12:14.35Hoxzerare there tools for searching unused libaries ?
12:14.41danielliable: Thank you!
12:14.42unilynxhow would i go about editing my fstab to use hdb2 for /home as well as keeping what /home currently uses, hda6. is this possible?
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12:16.17fireba11unilynx : ??
12:16.34liabledaniel: np
12:16.40unilynxi want to add more space to /home by mounting an extra hd
12:16.56liableHoxzer: deborphan
12:17.18Hoxzer:) Cool I'll check it out
12:17.24fireba11unilynx: unless you used LVM you can't just add it .. you can always mount in /home/extrahd of course
12:17.34liablenot without lvm, unless you maybe mount a seperate dir insid /home
12:17.39unilynxyeah, i was thinking of doing it that way
12:17.42fireba11liable: haah
12:17.49HoxzerTHis is a second I lost a document because the sytem partition was full
12:17.50liablefireba11: you win! :)
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12:18.46javonhelp, cannot print from my hp printer despite  having installed hpijs and hplip.
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12:19.24javonprint job status shows "processing".
12:19.50liableprinter debugging is a pain
12:20.03liablecan it do a test page?
12:20.32javonliable, would have to find out how to do a test page first.
12:20.49liablejavon: 127.0.0.1:631
12:20.54liablein your browser
12:21.11javonk, will try it now.
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12:23.13lrphello everybody
12:23.45snotI can ssh to my server and the this irssi session I have in a screen works just fine but I cant ping google or apt-get new packages...
12:23.45lrpany1 know how to make a task in cron to download everyday  a program at 12m ?
12:24.18snotthe error message says... 2 secs :)
12:24.20liablesnot: that would tend to suggest iptables problems
12:24.29snotErr http://ftp.dk.debian.org etch/main nis 3.17-6 Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.dk.debian.org'
12:24.41liableor dns problems :)
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12:25.00snotafter doing dhclient a few times it works again
12:25.11snotliable: I'm guessing dns... why and how??? :)
12:25.32snotI did change isp a few days ago... but I the problem before
12:25.32liablesnot: dunno, blame your router probably
12:25.45javonliable, first, i get: "printer not connected", after pushing at the USB connector, it prints the test page. damn, lose connection. thks a lot.
12:25.56snotbut it's only debian. I have a few windows servers running in vmware as well
12:25.56liablejavon: sweet
12:26.02snotnone of those seem to be affected
12:26.14liableno idea when it comes to vmware
12:26.36snotliable: well only debian suffers from the problem
12:26.49liablesnot: #vmware
12:26.50danielHm.. mencoder can be compiled with several optional things, like AAC encoding, for example. The mencoder in my lenny from debian-multimedia.org apparantly doesn't have it compiled-in. Do I need to compile mencoder myself or is there another possibility to get it?
12:27.19liabledaniel: really it doesnt support it?
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12:27.36snotliable: it's not about vmware...
12:27.45danielliable: It says "Audio LAVC, couldn't find encoder for codec aac."
12:27.47RvGaTewith dhcpd3, is there a tool that gives me the currently connected clients, their mac adresses, and their assigned ip adresses?
12:27.55liablesnot: the debian box is a real box?
12:28.04snotliable: perhaps reread what I said. the servers running on vmware works just fine.... only problem is the master debian server
12:28.07liabledaniel: did you install it?
12:28.08snotliable: indeed
12:28.11danielliable: I separately installed faac and faad, afterwards.
12:28.18danielliable: What is 'it', exactly here?
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12:28.42liabledaniel: whatever codec its after
12:29.03snotliable: the debian server runs vmware... but just forget all about vmware and focus on debian since thats the server unable to resolve names after a few mins
12:29.08danielaac in this case. But how do I know which package it requires?
12:29.11liablesnot: put a reliable dns server in resolv.conf and see what gives
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12:29.42liablesnot: so the host system cant resolve, yet the vhosts can?
12:29.49snotliable: that would actually be my next question, where to put such. thatnks :)
12:29.57liablesnot: /etc/resolv.conf
12:29.58snotliable: yes
12:30.01snotcheers
12:30.09liablesnot: thats quite strange
12:30.20snotliable: yes... hehe :)
12:30.24snotbut yet that is the case
12:30.43javonstill having problem with the printer. when i try printing a word doc, i get: "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed".
12:31.43liablesnot: i would still ask in #vmware, thats certainly not something that would happen with an ordinary box
12:32.15liablesnot: unless the hosts are grabbing all the bandwidth or something weird. shouldnt happen, but i am a vhost tard
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12:34.18snotliable: I might try that but it happened before vmware was running as well
12:34.26snotliable: this very irssi session runs on the box as well
12:34.29snotand runs quite fine
12:34.43snotit's jsut "new" connections that doesnt resolve
12:35.04snotdo I need to restart anything after messing with resolve,conf?
12:35.08snotresolve.conf
12:35.19liableresolv.conf
12:35.20liableno
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12:36.34liablesnot: i cant think of anything other than it being a dns issue. is this box hosted in a DC ?
12:36.35snotliable: ok
12:36.45snotliable: DC?
12:36.54liabledatacentre
12:37.00snotno, my own appartment
12:37.14bobfarrellNight everyone.
12:37.40snotnight bobfarrell
12:38.23snotliable: I think it's a dns issue as well... but I have no idea exactly what or why
12:38.53RvGaTewith dhcpd3, is there a tool that gives me the currently connected dhcp clients, their mac adresses, and their assigned ip adresses? its kinda tough to read the leases and ping / sort the data out... has to be a tool for this... anyone knows?
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12:46.47RvGaTeanyone? :(
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12:49.39anomic!tell anomic nvidia_post_etch
12:49.48anomic!tell anomic nvidia post etch
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12:51.06wols_anomic: no luck?
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12:53.25wsdo_okadrwhy can't I do spx2:DOjg3oz35fSg@ftp.dreamingprophet.net
12:54.05wols_wsdo_okadr: under what program?
12:54.44Ahrihi, i've got a mipsel NAS with Debian installed and have a bit of a problem; when trying to apt-get install anything it tries to install a newer version of GCC along with expecting a kernel upgrade (which is impossible; i'm stuck with the current kernel come hell or high water - 2.6 is _not_ an option) - my problem is detailed at http://forum.nas-central.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3995 - is there some way to avoid this problem?
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13:03.28smharhello to all of you
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13:04.25gryfie__Hiho. Sorry for offtopic: Just a silly question: Are there any advantages when choosing an Athlon 64 4200+ X2 compared to an Athlon 64 4000? (Expect the rare cases, when both cores are running) ?
13:04.40xerophyte4my server hangs on boot saying lvm unable to deactivate logical volume, does anybody know why ?
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13:06.43danielgryfie__: It gives you a far more responsive box
13:06.53danielgryfie__: It all depends on how you use it, anyways.
13:07.02danielFor a desktop, I'd definitely go for a dual-core.
13:07.19gryfie__ok, thanks for the hint
13:09.01smharI am trying to install vmware server into my lenny computer and all goes well until the time to compile the vmmon modules for the kernel, VMware installer complains that the kernel (2.6.18) was compiled with GCC 4.1.2 while I am using gcc 4.2.1, so I said go ahead, it is a newer gcc. The kernel headers are installed as well
13:10.05RvGaTeanyone?
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13:11.34RvGaTe!virtualbox
13:11.34dpkgit has been said that virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/
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13:11.48fluxtorThe last time I installed vmware-server v1.03 and kern 2.6.21 I needed to install the any-any-update first then it worked
13:12.37smharfluxtor, what is this funny name update ?!
13:13.25fluxtorgoogle vmware-any-any and you should get the site that hosts the updates
13:14.48smharfluxtor, I found vmware-package in apt, is this it?
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13:16.12fluxtorsmhar: no I believe that is just to build a deb package for vmware
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13:17.20fluxtorsmhar :You need to download the any-any and build that manually , then install vmware server. Others correct me if I am wrong.
13:18.10snotmother:~# ping localhost
13:18.11snotping: unknown host localhost
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13:18.19snothow would I go about fixing that?
13:18.21Duddlehi! does anybody of a tool that watches directory changes? I want a "if a new file appears, do foobar"-program
13:18.25Duddle+know
13:18.44snottripwire perhaps
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13:19.48xtor_what about the database that "updatedb" works on
13:20.11sepDuddle, there are several  aptitude show incron for one
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13:20.54dennis-Duddle: i guess it all depends on the desired delay between file creation and notification
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13:21.09dennis-Duddle: if it has to be near to "realtime", you will have to use something that hooks to fam
13:21.11Duddleit can be long
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13:23.21RvGaTeis it possible to create a windows update server with debian? a machine that will download all the microsoft updates and windows client use the automated windows update to use the intranet server instead of the one from windows... making the updates go much faster for all clients....
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13:24.45PenixI just saw one of those psuedo-porn ringtone/movie/crapplet ads on tv using the FreeBSD daemon logo. 'Horny mobile games' they called it iirc.
13:24.53Penixthey've officially gone too far
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13:25.17fluxtorRvGaTe: I only know of windows servers being able to do that
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13:25.35Duddlethanks sep and dennis-, I found a tool
13:26.04dennis-Duddle: what is the name of it?
13:26.15Duddlednotify
13:27.24xerophyte4where can i get sarge libc6-xen package ? i am not able to located that
13:27.25fluxtorDuddle: isn't dnotify old
13:27.46fluxtorDuddle: I think it was replaced with inotify
13:28.06DuddleI am on debian sarge, maybe that's why
13:29.02ratschnowskihello, need some help concerning iptables
13:29.11ratschnowskii am running a debian sarge system on a dedicated server
13:29.27fluxtorDuddle: that would be the case 2.4 kernal
13:29.40ratschnowskii want to use a firewall, the rules i defined in a script: http://pastebin.ca/704588
13:30.01ratschnowskii just start the firewall with /usr/local/firewall (thats the script)
13:30.19ratschnowskiafter having done that, i have no more ssl connection and the whole system crashes
13:31.07ratschnowskii installed a cronjob, which frequently flushes iptable rules (iptables -F and iptables -X), but still the connection ist always refused, so that i had to reboot the server
13:31.18RvGaTefluxtor, hm... ok... guess that stops my search :P
13:31.30ratschnowskican someone check my script: http://pastebin.ca/704588 ?
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13:33.13fluxtorRvGaTe: It might be possible still, I just only know of using it on windowz servers because of the policies to change the workstations to internal server location.
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13:33.24bartdenhi, i'm using a bash shell with UTF-8 as character encoding, how can i display for example the char with octal code 253
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13:34.25etwhat do you mean when you say "the char with octal code 253"?
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13:35.47RvGaTeet, i think he means "²"
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13:39.36sohmestrahmm. I thought that thunderbird in etch was patched to provide "reply to list"
13:39.39sohmestraam I wrong?
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13:41.29infinity0what is the device file for my keyboard?
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13:41.49sohmestraadditionally; why, for God's sake, in any version of Thunderbird, is Ctl-l == "forward message"?
13:42.22sohmestra* wonders why he even uses Thunderbird
13:42.31sohmestraerr..
13:43.29Dewisohmestra: because other things suck even more
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13:44.30xinguinfinity0: as /proc/bus/input/devices
13:44.37xinguinfinity0: s/as/ask/
13:44.43infinity0oh right ok
13:45.38jetscreameryay nvidia fixed
13:45.55wols_question about openvpn: do both endpoints need to have public IPs?
13:46.03infinity0i don't see anything that starts with /dev, there's a /class/input/input0 for my keyboard...
13:46.12fireba11wols_: no
13:46.14wols_one of them is behind a NAT (well both but there is a portforward for the server)
13:46.22wols_I get a connection but I can't ping :(
13:46.30wols_or connect in any way
13:46.33xingujetscreamer: ?
13:46.39fireba11wols_: one end may be NATed afaik
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13:46.45wols_tje client gets an IP in the range specified, sets a route, etc. all is well
13:46.50jetscreamernvidia driver got updated to support new xorg abi
13:46.56wols_except when I want to actually use it
13:47.04xingujetscreamer: yeah, still waiting on packages...
13:47.46xinguinfinity0: see "handlers"? /dev/input/${Handlers}
13:48.00infinity0ahh ok
13:48.42infinity0i've got kbd and event0, event0 exists, but this program (PSCX) is saying "error opening it"
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13:49.36bartdenhi, i'm using a bash shell with UTF-8 as character encoding, how can i display for example the char with octal code 253
13:49.51xinguinfinity0: try /dev/input/input0 if this matches the Sysfs attr.
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13:50.21infinity0it does, but it still doesn't work, i'll go have a poke around on their website though
13:51.46sohmestraDewi: oh yeah. I knew there was a reason :o/
13:52.47xinguright, I think it's time for beer.
13:53.21sohmestraactually, debian _does_ include the patch in Thunderbird (aka Icedove). It seems the patch just makes it possible to create an extension which provides that functionality.
13:53.57sohmestraso I've been annoyed at t-bird all this time, when I could have been using that extension :o(
13:55.41slapfacewarewhy not use windows for gaming
13:56.59jetscreamerreal men game on idsoftware products, so no need for windows... :)
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14:01.18jmwAnyone know how to recursively set directory permissions in midnight commander?
14:01.56jetscreameruse the shell at the bottom?
14:02.34gryfie__when I buy a new computer, should I choose pATA or is SATA nearly as good supported nowdays
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14:02.51Dewigryfie__: SATA is nice
14:02.58Dewigryfie__: support is... fine in my experience
14:03.03Dewigryfie__: check before you guy
14:03.05Dewier buy
14:03.13jmwjetscreamer:  I can never remember the find + xargs command
14:03.14liablesnot: sorry, disconnected due to bad wds system.
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14:03.18gryfie__Now, I'll buy online :)
14:03.36Dewijmw: you don't necessarily need any more than chmod -R
14:03.39liableunless its really nes, sata is supported well
14:03.48liables/nes/new/
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14:04.47fastputtyhi i wouldlike to know if it possible for OpenVPn to communicate with a CheckPoint box NG 5.0.50x
14:04.48Nyle_need to make electricity flow wirelessly
14:04.59Nyle_too many damn wires
14:05.34fastputtyNyle_: it would be a nice cause of the cancer :)
14:05.38jmwDewi: what if you only want to apply the chmod to directories?
14:05.41bartden\l
14:05.43jmw(recursively)
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14:07.15Dewijmw: well, capital X will only hit directories
14:07.25xinguNyle_: you can make packets flow electrically if that helps
14:07.31BluechipAfter a couple of days of head-bashing, I finally have a bootable debian install disk with some extra packages ....are there any documents or hints on how I can modify the setup procedure to say (by example) "would you like a server or workstation?" and then install the appropriate packages from the CD ?
14:07.36snotliable: no problem mate, it was due to a bad resolv.conf
14:07.39Dewijmw: but it's the only command with that special property. Just learn find/xargs
14:07.45Nyle_no
14:08.00snotliable: browsed and read around but in the end chmod o-w was the solution
14:08.02Nyle_powercables, wires for this, and wires for that...blah
14:08.14DewiBluechip: why not just run 'aptitude install foo bar baz ... ' after install?
14:08.19snotliable: did I mentioned that resolve.conf kept getting overwritten...
14:08.39xingujmw: find /some/path -type d -print0 | xargs -0n 1024 chmod whatever
14:08.55Nylehey
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14:09.07Bluechipdewi: I'd like to sew my default packages in to the default setup ...I'm gonna have to let "users" at this and want to make it as fool-proof as possible
14:09.09NyleI want to this this sed/xargs etc. etc. and regular expressions
14:09.24Nylewould anyone kindly recommend some reasing material regarding this stuff
14:09.33DewiNyle: the web
14:09.37NyleI feel so left out because I don't know all the little complex things
14:09.54Nyleyes
14:09.57Nyle?
14:10.15brokenI've just tryign to apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and at the end it said there was a md5 mismatch and it wasn't isntalled, so should I grab the .rpm and install it myself?
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14:10.19jetscreamers/reasing/reading/ ... but i was just pointing at you
14:10.27Bluechipnyle: try googling with "beginners guide"
14:10.30jetscreamerrpm?
14:10.34xinguNyle: vertical learning curv; jump in with both feet, attack each problem as it comes; summarise daily in a journal until it becomes unnecessary
14:10.36Nylejetscreamer: Bluechip ahh, grand idea
14:10.47Dewixingu: does it ever become unnecessary?
14:10.48Nylexingu: wow, thanks
14:10.51brokenjetscreamer: yea .rpm file
14:10.51NyleI never thought about that
14:10.52kspath<PROTECTED>
14:10.57NyleI should start keeping not
14:10.58jetscreamerNyle: do you ever hang in #bash ?
14:10.59xinguDewi: I never needed one ;)
14:11.00Nyleactually you know what
14:11.08NyleI'm gonna write down everything you say regarding the books
14:11.10liablesnot: dhclient overwrites it, so look to your router
14:11.15Nylethanks for the titles etc.
14:11.16xinguDewi: can't remember someone's name worth a damn but this unix thing's a doddle
14:11.19Dewixingu: I'm getting old (25); I find I have to write everything down now because I ran out of brainspace
14:11.31jetscreamerfuck you dewi!
14:11.33Bluechipdoes anyone even know what files control the installation sequence?
14:11.33gryfie__How can I set a limit how much ram it should use for file-caching?
14:11.38jetscreamerold my ass!!!
14:11.45Dewijetscreamer: hey I'm the one who's out of brainspace
14:11.50Nyledude
14:11.57Nyleif you're old then I am ancient
14:11.58jetscreamerdamn youngsters
14:12.06brokenim 18 :/
14:12.08Dewiwell I must say this makes a change
14:12.13DewiI thought everyone on irc were kids
14:12.20BluechipI'm not
14:12.21Bluechiplol
14:12.27BluechipI just act like a kid
14:12.35liableyou would be surprised at the average age of people here i think
14:12.41jetscreameri might be older than your father
14:12.45brokenlol
14:12.46jetscreamermight not
14:12.50brokenyou MIGHT be my father.
14:12.53Dewiliable: I'd love to be able to run stats on here versus some of the other freenode channels
14:13.09jetscreamerno, i'm pretty sure i have no offspring running around loose
14:13.09brokenwtf is with iceweasal.
14:13.12brokenI want the fox back.
14:13.12gryfie__I was before moses was ;)
14:13.14Dewithen again, age doesn't seem to matter very much at all
14:13.17Nylelast year I was a quarter of a tenth of millenium
14:13.19jetscreamer!iceweasel
14:13.19dpkgit has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
14:13.21liableDewi: indeed, would certainly be interesting if you could get those stats
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14:13.27jetscreamersame program
14:13.49brokenask why iceweasel for me ;)
14:13.53Dewiis iceweasel really a fork?
14:13.55jetscreamera rose is a rose is a rose... unless it's a turd
14:14.00NyleDewi: not a fork a rebrand
14:14.01liableDewi: i know that quites a few regulars aren't kids though :)
14:14.03xinguor between your butt cheeks
14:14.05jetscreamer!tell broken -about why iceweasel
14:14.08xinguthen it's just damn uncomfortable
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14:14.20brokenWell thats messed up...
14:14.24jetscreamerow a fork in your butt
14:14.38Nylejetscreamer: hey whats up
14:14.45gryfie__broken: Install the zeroinstall-injector, and get easyly with drag and drop firefox (install in userspace)
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14:15.08brokenas long as i can run the same addons, webdev tools and firebug im fine ;)
14:15.35jetscreamera client woke me up and said some cookie was keeping him from going to his bank's site so i had to tell him how to delete cookies manually in IE
14:15.43jetscreameryeehaa
14:15.45brokenlol a cookie.
14:16.01Nylejetscreamer: what?
14:16.06liablejetscreamer: not surprising though
14:16.08Nylejetscreamer: yeehaw?
14:16.13Nylejetscreamer: I should smack you
14:16.18jetscreamerNyle: think 'rebel yell'
14:16.25Tremitoshey
14:16.26binfalsehi
14:16.28Nylejetscreamer: just tell me you like Cluth
14:16.33NyleClutch*
14:16.40jetscreamerwhat's that
14:16.43Nyleif you do, then its ok to say yeehaw
14:16.43brokenAlright im going to try my luck again,  any idea why flasplugin-nonfree said "md5 incorrect flash WAS NOT installed"
14:16.44Nylethe band
14:16.49Nyleredneck hardrock/metal
14:17.00Nylesome damn good shit
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14:17.17jetscreameroh... no it's ok for me to say yeehaa because i cannot get any more native texas unless i turn mexican
14:17.20xingujetscreamer: that client sounds like they're overdue for a little visit from the billing "adjustment" fairies
14:17.24liableenough with your metal OT shit i say
14:17.25Nylejetscreamer: lol
14:17.28jetscreamers/texas/texan/
14:17.37xingus/texan/north mexican/
14:17.40jetscreameror commanche
14:17.49Nylejetscreamer: btw, thanks for keeping my account alive.  Now I actually have a need for it
14:18.07Nylejetscreamer: my webserver died
14:18.11jetscreamerxingu: no i'm descended from the original gringo invaders... :)
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14:18.23brokenok don't try that on clients that don't support it.
14:18.27Nylejetscreamer: I will have to find a way to xfer the contents of my server to your server
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14:18.50jetscreamerNyle: use ftp not http for uploading to it
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14:19.05jetscreamerthat doesn't use my bandwidth allotment
14:19.08Nylejetscreamer: I was about to ask you, I don't much care for the cp
14:19.10Silviais it possible to run asp aplications in a apache web server??
14:19.14Nylejetscreamer: of course man
14:19.15brokenSo is anyone going to give me a hand wtih flash or should I just go do it myself?
14:19.16brokenll
14:19.23jetscreamerNyle: i have no controlover the cp
14:19.34kspathunless you are indigenous people from before Mexico that is not your land   Mexico and US and Spain and France all claiming it does not make it true
14:19.44Nylehey man
14:19.48Nylefuck everything, debian rules
14:19.52brokenright.
14:19.56Nyleoh whoops, I'm not supposed to swear.
14:19.59brokenGentoo rules.
14:20.06Nyleastagfar
14:20.07jetscreamercentos rocks imo
14:20.11brokenlol
14:20.12liableNyle: thats in #ubuntu
14:20.13jetscreameri just prefer debian
14:20.14x_linkNyle: Hey man!
14:20.24jatt!offtopic
14:20.24dpkgA little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
14:20.26Nyleliable: no I am fasting
14:20.39brokenjatt: thats what im talkigna bout!
14:20.49Nylejetscreamer: over what?
14:21.03Nylejetscreamer: cent or buntu
14:21.18brokenthose aren'te ven linuxs.
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14:21.24sinelols
14:21.30Nylejetscreamer: a few weeks ago I found my self wanting to use oblivion
14:21.32Nyleoh fuck me
14:21.37Nyles/oblivion/ubuntu
14:21.44sinedoes  debian have the sonypi sony_acpi sony_laptop drivers built ino the kernel ?
14:21.48Nylewow that was some typo, dangit i swore again
14:22.02DewiNyle: stop drawing attention to it
14:22.09brokensine:  i wouldn't know no one is helping anyone in this channel
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14:22.14brokeni've been asking a simple question lol
14:22.35Dewibroken: you want to know about flash?
14:22.36Roninbroken: learn to be patient
14:22.40sineok well chill out they dont get paid for it
14:22.45brokenpatient? give me a break.
14:22.57brokenDo I get paid for it?
14:23.04Dewibroken: huh?
14:23.10brokenI sit on other channels and offer help, don't give me that shit about being paid.
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14:23.13jetscreamersine: grep -i sony /boot/config-$(uname -r)
14:23.13brokenI've paid my dues.
14:23.18Dewibroken: pfft
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14:23.22Bluechiptime after time?
14:23.26jetscreamerCONFIG_SONY_LAPTOP=m CONFIG_SONYPI=m
14:23.57jetscreamerdid you do your sentence?
14:24.12Dewibroken: I never seen you before. I don't know the answer to your question... is that flash package one of those ones that requires you to download something manually it picks up?
14:24.26brokenI don't know my first time using debian.
14:24.36brokenI just typed what I foudn a guide for which was "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
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14:24.48NyleDewi: what
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14:24.56Dewibroken: and it just told you an md5 was wrong without any other interaction?
14:25.21sinejet screamer what does that line do grep searches for the line sony in the boot config ? but what does uname -r do (by the way CONFIG_SONYPI=m) was found
14:25.24jetscreamer!tell broken -about debian-multimedia
14:25.32DewiNyle: any offensive behaviour you're wanting to indulge in :)
14:25.33anomicwols_: gcc -shared nvidia_drv.o -o nvidia_drv.so solved my problem
14:25.41jetscreameruname -r is your_running_kernel
14:25.47NyleDewi: absolutely not wanting to indulge anything
14:25.50jetscreamertype uname -r on command line
14:25.54brokenDewi: it says "Download complete. md5sum mismatch. The flash plugin was NOT installed"
14:25.57jetscreamersee also uname -a
14:26.00NyleDewi: no indulgances these days
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14:26.05Nylei can'tspell
14:26.14DewiNyle: awww. come on. just a little.
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14:26.23Nyleyou're the devil ;)
14:26.25brokenjetscreamer: whats up with these legal issues...
14:26.30Dantixhi all!, what means [login <defunct>] at ps ax listing?
14:26.31Dewibroken: Maybe the download has changed at adobe?
14:26.43NyleDantix: zombie?
14:26.50Dewibroken: well adobe flash ain't FOSS software
14:26.51brokenDewi:  i can download the .rpm or tar off the net and do it myself is that alright?
14:26.51jetscreamerbroken: patents
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14:27.03NyleDantix: kill the parent process
14:27.20brokenjetscreamer: this is the only distro i've seen that in so far.. :/
14:27.22jetscreamerbroken: add that repo to your sources before you go trying to d/l stuff and install it imo
14:27.23sinemy cpu is at 56 degrees this is to hot right ?
14:27.25Dewibroken: I wouldn't recommend it; you'd be taking a lot on
14:27.30Dewibroken: have you tried debian multimedia?
14:27.31Nylesine: ##hardware
14:27.32jetscreamerbroken: hey we like to keep it 'legal'
14:27.37Dewibroken: they seem to approach the grey market stuff
14:27.41Nylesine: and no, buts it is close
14:27.47Dewibroken: mainline debian keeps very clean
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14:27.59brokenCan you ask about <debian-multimedia.etch>
14:28.00x_linksine: It's not very to hot, but not far away.
14:28.07x_linksine: Idle temp is 56C?
14:28.09jetscreamer!tell broken -about msg
14:28.23jetscreamermy p3 700 likes to run about 64c
14:28.31jetscreamerbut my xp2400 likes 42c
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14:28.57jetscreamerboth are @idle
14:28.58Dewijetscreamer: I found out the other day that my dual core intel workstation at work runs in like the high 70s
14:28.59broken!tell broken -about debian-multimedia-arch
14:29.06Dewijetscreamer: I'm not sure what to do about it
14:29.06jetscreamerno
14:29.10brokenwoops
14:29.15jetscreamer/msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch
14:29.17brokeni've still got arch linunx in my head
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14:29.45jetscreameroh but you have to be identified for the priv msg's to work
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14:29.55brokensigh..
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14:29.59jetscreamerso !tell me is an alternative
14:30.05__brokenmy bad
14:30.07jetscreamersee also /join #debian-bots
14:30.14Dewibroken: that's freenode for you. it's all cause of spambots
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14:30.50__brokenI must be doing somethign wrong as its not working for me.
14:30.56askatasunahello how can i do to connect to internet all office's pc thru my pc?
14:31.00jakub_hi
14:31.10askatasunai use an gprs connection
14:31.13jetscreamer!tell __broken -about debian-multimedia.etch
14:31.27__brokenjetscreamer: you said to use msg.....
14:31.27Dewiaskatasuna: most people nowadays use NAT or as linux people call it, ip masquerade
14:31.44jetscreamer__broken: yeah but there are always other ways
14:31.57jetscreamer/msg is better/stronger/faster/
14:32.26Dewiaskatasuna: MS calls it Internet Connection Sharing
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14:33.03__brokenNo public key?
14:33.10jetscreamer/topic
14:33.12jetscreamerbut
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14:33.16jetscreamer!marillat key
14:33.16dpkgmethinks marillat key is sudo aptitude install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export marillat@debian.org | sudo apt-key add - ; or ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> or ask me about <apt secure>
14:33.39jetscreamerit has a package that gets installed the first time you use the marillat sources
14:33.43jetscreamerfor the key
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14:33.50jetscreameror you can do it manually
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14:35.07jetscreamer__broken: debian-multimedia has a gpg key that when you first use the marillat sources, the key package gets installed . however, you could also do the key manually (like the factoid says)
14:35.41jetscreamers/like/as/
14:35.57Dewijetscreamer: do all of the packages depend on it or something?
14:36.03__brokenOk but these little /msg things don't tell me how to do it it just keep spriging on to other things.
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14:36.29epsilontc anyone? while downloading huge files, my SSH connection is slowing down, so I want to givr SSH higher priority. Is there any way to do this? I only find HOWTOs about giving priority on outgoing direction, not incoming connection...
14:36.37jetscreamerDewi: no you just get a 'untrusted source' 'error' do you want to continue y/n
14:37.00Dewijetscreamer: yeah but what do you mean it gets installed when you first use the sources? Using sources doesn't just cause things to get installed...
14:37.09jetscreamer__broken: just add the source and apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
14:37.21Dewijetscreamer: whoa, why a whole dist-upgrade?
14:37.22jetscreamerit's a required package, it will be automatically selected
14:37.27__brokenjetscreamer: i just installed debina, i have no idea how to do what you just said.
14:37.30jetscreamerok do upgrade
14:37.33xinguepsilon: here's a thought experiment; how do you plan to mark packets you haven't seen yet?
14:37.37__brokenAlso my first "binary" distro.
14:37.49abrotmanwe do have "source" :)
14:37.54jetscreamerare you on etch or testing, __broken
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14:38.05__brokenetch, and this is from sources.list iirc?
14:38.23jetscreamerdeb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main
14:38.28__brokenthats there.
14:38.34jetscreameris the line that goes in sources.list .. ok
14:38.37jetscreamerapt-get update
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14:38.52epsilonxingu: II know tc must be done on ISP router, but gess what, I don't have access :P
14:38.58__brokenjetscreamer: yes that is what gives me the key is not available
14:38.59Dewijetscreamer: s/apt-get/aptitude/
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14:39.21jetscreamer__broken: now apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
14:39.21abrotmanDewi: be easy with jetscreamer .. we just got him off dselect :)
14:39.27jetscreamerheh
14:39.27Dewiabrotman: hehe
14:39.41jetscreameryou mean just got me to quit using the word dselect
14:39.44epsilononly solution I found so far is limiting the downloadspeed, without priority stuff...
14:39.45xinguepsilon: so in thinking about that question, extend the question to "how can I do anything *other* than shape outbound packets?"
14:39.52__brokenAnd proceed without authentication?
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14:40.07jetscreameryes... next time it will be authenticated.. via the key
14:40.12Dewiabrotman: aah. good old dselect. debian was actually my first distro, about 10 years ago... I tried to use dselect and ran screaming. A few plagued redhat installs later I came back...
14:40.23__brokenok thats done, run apt-get update again?
14:40.28abrotmanDewi: IIRC .. you're still using RH :)
14:40.28jetscreamerno need
14:40.41__brokenalright, now i'll go ahead and try to install the flash.
14:40.42Dewiabrotman: only at work :)
14:40.42jetscreamerNOW apt-cache search flash or something
14:40.44epsilonxingu: I'm reading various docs since yesterday, whatever you typed here I've already read
14:40.46jetscreameryeah
14:41.07jetscreameror just try apt-get dist-upgrade __broken
14:41.10__brokenHow do I remove something before I install it because it looks like its there already.
14:41.13__brokenoh yea.
14:41.17__brokeni see now.
14:41.30Dewi__broken: if it's a newer version you should be able to just upgrade
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14:42.16Dewi__broken: dist-upgrade will try to upgrade anything and everything though... be careful with it. To upgrade one package you can use 'install'
14:42.22jetscreamerbtw you'll probably be a lot happier with lenny/testing if this box is for personal use
14:42.38__brokenyea its for personal use / programming /web dev
14:42.41xinguepsilon: the howtos are right; you can only give priority to packets you've seen - ie - ones that are going out; you probably need to install wondershaper, and then have a think about how it works
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14:43.17__brokenFirst however I have to figure out how to get this touchpad working .. are there any guides for this i haven't seen to many on debian+laptop
14:43.41jetscreamer!synaptic
14:43.41dpkghmm... synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/
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14:43.45jetscreamerdammit
14:43.50epsilonyou are really not helping...
14:43.51jetscreamer!synaptics
14:43.51dpkgwell, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse".  also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html
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14:43.59Absolute0i just installed rtl-wifi and i think dmesg is giving me errors: http://rafb.net/p/c3HgLG20.html can someone please tell me how i can connect to my wireless network now?
14:44.20Dewiepsilon: we can't magically make some web server somewhere send more data to you
14:44.20anomici'm looking for an interface to play my movies with, on my television
14:44.33__brokenyea so flash didn't install.
14:44.35jetscreamermplayer/xine-ui anomic
14:44.41__brokenthat package installed but it isn't working in iceweasl. :/
14:44.49jetscreamerah
14:44.52anomicjetscreamer: will that give me a good overview of all my installed movies?
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14:45.01Dewi__broken: did it pop up any configuration?
14:45.06jetscreameranomic: oh... you want mythtv then i believe
14:45.07smcavoyHi I'm trying to get vmware-server-console running in debian amd64. its missing libX11.so.6, the amd64 version is installed, is there a 32 bit version or some other package that would install a 32bit version of "everything"
14:45.08__brokenDewi:  no..
14:45.08anomicuh, s/installed//
14:45.12jetscreamermythtv.org i think
14:45.18Dewi__broken: did you restart iceweasel?
14:45.18anomicjetscreamer: i've tried mythtv, but it's a bit overkill for what i want
14:45.26__brokenDewi:  yes ..
14:45.30anomicjetscreamer: seeing as i don't have a tv card on my machine
14:45.35anomicit's just for watching movies on disk
14:46.05epsilonDewi: I'm experimenting here with tc's ingress qdisc, but slowing down the specific connection is only solution working so far - I hoped there would be more intelligent solution, such as dynamic download-shaping using statictics something...
14:46.27Dewi__broken: I'm really the wrong person to talk to about flash and touchpads. I don't use my X. To be honest if I wanted non-free and fancy hardware, ubuntu is more geared for that
14:46.32Absolute0ok i ran ifconfig wlan0 up and i believe it went up
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14:46.44Absolute0now will i be able to easily connect with wifi-radar?
14:46.47jetscreamer__broken: there are plugins:  mplayer , vlc, and xine... for mozilla . i don't remember all their names, but they work for me. i don't know 'exactly' what you need to get this flash working... you say it won't install at all? what is the error msg?
14:46.51Dewi__broken: s/my/much/
14:47.12__brokenjetscreamer: no it apperas as it has installed..
14:47.21epsilonso many HOWTOs about tc egress qdisc and almost nothing about possibility of ingress :/
14:47.21__brokenIt just hasn't kicked into iceweasel yet.
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14:47.49Dewi__broken: try this... as root, dpkg-reconfigure <name-of-the-flash-package>
14:48.29xinguepsilon: that's because you can't shape packets you haven't seen yet; what part of this is conceptually difficult?
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14:48.32__brokenthere it goes.
14:48.38__brokenlol
14:48.42__brokenmd5sum mismatch
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14:49.00xinguepsilon: you can only shape what you emit; you can't shape what you recieve; you've already recieved it.
14:49.05Dewi__broken: hmm, thought you said it installed. sounds like it hasn't configured successfully.
14:49.10jetscreamertry apt-get install --reinstall flashplayer-nonfree ? or whatever the name of the package is?
14:49.45__brokenSame thing, md5sum mismatch.
14:49.48xinguepsilon: if you need to shape what a host is recieving, you need to place a device between it and the transport which shapes what *it* emits.
14:49.49jetscreamerhave you 'ever' done a dist-upgrade since installing ?: if not, you should.
14:50.01__brokenjetscreamer: i did it when yout old me too about 10 min backs.
14:50.05jetscreamerah
14:50.07Dewi__broken: what did it install?
14:50.33__brokenDownload done. md5sum mismatch install flash player 9 linux.tar.gz The flash plugin was NOT installed.
14:50.38__brokenThat is all it says after "download complete"
14:50.56xinguwoo, upstream version change :)
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14:51.18xingu__broken: upstream flashplayer != "flashplayer-nonfree"'s expectation
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14:51.21avuxingu: of course one can 'shape' (as in 'slow down') incomming traffic?
14:51.30Dewi__broken: okay
14:51.31__brokenxingu: ? sorry?
14:51.38Dewi__broken: debian multimedia doesn't use the same package for flash
14:51.42avuxingu: tcp/ip would be an utter catastrophy otherwise? :)
14:51.53xinguavu: that doesn't shape *what has been recieved*
14:52.06xinguavu: it allows the *peer* to shape what it's emitting
14:52.12__brokenI see, Dewi where can i find out the packages?
14:52.16jetscreamer__broken: are you installing flashplugin-nonfree ?
14:52.19Dewixingu: you can slow future transmission though
14:52.20jetscreamer!pdo
14:52.20dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
14:52.20__brokenyes.
14:52.20avuxingu: you can slow down an existzing connection while it's running though
14:52.33Dewijetscreamer: not useful for debian multimedia
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14:52.42xinguavu: here's a question for you, dude; why do tx and rx end of a tcp flow have two different ideas about a given flow's max bandwidth?
14:52.53Dewi__broken: the debian multimedia web site says the flash package is called 'flashplayer-mozilla'
14:53.03__brokenson of a ...
14:53.04Dewi__broken: if you try to install it, it will uninstall the other one for you since they are incompatible
14:53.15Dewi__broken: hopefully you have better luck with it
14:53.24Dewi__broken: I haven't used either of them myself
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14:53.28jetscreamerhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=flashplugin-nonfree;dist=unstable
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14:53.45suwrohello
14:53.49avuxingu: what are you on about?
14:53.54__brokenIt worked.
14:53.55Dewijetscreamer: that's for unstable btw
14:54.04BluechipAnyone know how to change the install sequence?
14:54.09__brokenThanks! Everyone Dewi, jetscreamer ;)
14:54.13avuxingu: it's perfectly feasable to 'slow down downloads' I do it all the time
14:54.19jetscreameroops
14:54.26xinguavu: you're telling me all about how tcp works; why don't you pad that out by telling me why both the tx and rx end estimate their own idea of bandwidth?
14:54.40Dewi__broken: most package repos have a web site somewhere that can tell you what's going on, if you're more comfortable with google than the various aptitude query commands
14:54.45jonesy_is anyone else having trouble with loading the nvidia driver in sid? xorg won't start since I upgraded the xorg packages...
14:54.45suwrois there any method to hide sysvinit log on screen during boot? or how can i change that - I hate to see all the time when i boot the same messages
14:54.47xinguavu: you can't "slow down downloads" by slowing down what you recieve
14:54.53jetscreamerxingu: can i have your brain? :)
14:54.57xinguavu: you can tamper with what you *send* until the moon fades
14:55.00avuxingu: no, *you're* telling people there's no way to do stuff that *can* be done.
14:55.08xinguavu: but that has *nothing* to do with what you recieve
14:55.11xinguavu: only what you send
14:55.19Dewixingu: TCP has flow control feedback
14:55.21__brokenDewi:  its just that I've only ever used gentoo so im just hardwired to do everything like that.. this sources.list and all that is just confusing me.
14:55.24Dewixingu: you can control THAT
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14:55.27__brokenBut i'll pick it up soon enough.
14:55.30sinehow can i check what modules i have or that are loaded
14:55.33konadrxingu, isnt it to do with the maximum data rate that can go through the sliding windows and the packet size that dictates the transfer rate
14:55.37xinguDewi: and that is 100% based on what you send.
14:55.47__brokenAT least debian installs in about 30 minutes not 13hours to compile ;)
14:55.48xinguhey, I told this idiot to go look into wondershaper
14:55.51jetscreamerjonesy_: abi mismatch, use the new driver from nvidia... or wait for the debian package, or startx -- -ignoreABI
14:55.54Dewixingu: hmm. is it?
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14:56.00xinguDewi: yes.
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14:56.03suwroxingu: sorry I came late - do you want to shape your bandwith?
14:56.07Dewixingu: so every router along the way sends em ?
14:56.08xingusuwro: no.
14:56.15aspWorkanybody running fglrx under sid? i get (EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (2) when trying to load it
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14:56.18suwroxingu: oh - sorry then..
14:56.37jonesy_jetscreamer: thankyou sir :) I'll give that a shot
14:56.38jetscreameraspWork: startx -- -ignoreABI 'maybe' i don't know about ati
14:56.41xinguDewi: no, each endpoint sends ACK's if the bandwidth carrying properties of the transport change
14:56.53xinguDewi: the intermediaries either forward, queue, or discard.
14:57.06Dewixingu: how does my laptop know that my ADSL modem is slow compared to my local LAN?
14:57.12aspWorkjetscreamer, ok, can i add that as a default or something? since i want to have gdm load x
14:57.23suwroaspWork: i run it under testing with debs from sid -- what kernel version do you use?
14:57.26xinguDewi: the rate at which segments arrive from the remote end varies
14:57.40xinguDewi: your laptop measures this in the tcp rate estimator; on a per flow basis, if it's linux.
14:57.52aspWork2.6.22-2-686
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14:57.57torrrhi
14:58.06jetscreameraspWork: i heard there was an Option "ignoreABI" directive, but i'm not sure nor do i know where it would go in xorg.conf.. probably in the ati section though... and 'probably' boolean
14:58.07torrrI want to install incron on etch
14:58.18torrrI see there is a backport
14:58.26xinguDewi: if the rate varies, or congestion occurs, an ACK is sent to the remote; the remote does some tricky maths which update *its* state table; and it backs off or ups the volume.
14:58.27torrrbut I don't find it with synaptic
14:58.31BluechipDoes anyone know a place where I can start asking or looking for information about changing the installtion sequence?
14:58.42suwroIS THERE any method to hide sysinit messages?
14:58.47jetscreamer!tell Bluechip -about d-i
14:58.49Bluechipor is it really a thing that is secret?
14:58.49torrris there a backports special source?
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14:58.56Bluechip...
14:58.57aspWorksuwro, trying the drivers from the kernel apt tells me that i need xorg more the something, which i have, but the install fails, this is the ati binary package, that complains about the ABI
14:59.02Dewixingu: right. imagine if I've got 2 machines on my LAN both hammering my slow WAN uplink. Now download #1 finishes, my laptop can use more of the WAN uplink now. But how does the transmittor find out it should start sending more? Does the receiver tell it? How does the receiver know an unrelated station finished its download?
14:59.02jetscreamer!tell torr -about backports
14:59.17Dewixingu: sorry to hammer you with questions but I've never been able to get this stuff straight in my head
14:59.20yang!simple sid backport
14:59.20dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
14:59.35jetscreamersuwro: maybe a bootsplash... or passing silent on the kernel line
14:59.36yangcan a "simple sid backport" apt-get be replaced with aptitude command?
14:59.37DewiBluechip: it's not something most people need to do
14:59.38suwroaspWork: try getting the fglrx kit from AMD
14:59.42jetscreamererr quiet
14:59.45Bluechipjetscreamer: what is "d-i"?
14:59.50jetscreamerdebian-installer
14:59.50Ronin!d-i
14:59.51dpkgEtch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ..  If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i.  IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now  the new Testing!
15:00.12BluechipIf you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i.
15:00.15aspWorksuwro, thats what i did, and build the packages using --buildpkg Debian/sid, and that is failing with the abi error
15:00.18torrrjetscreamer,  there is a backport
15:00.26jetscreamertorrr: ok
15:00.27sinehow can i check what modules i have loaded or are available
15:00.31jetscreamerlsmod
15:00.35Bluechipsomeone should explain how you should not use the term "d-i" when defining what is "d-i" :(
15:00.36torrrjetscreamer,  I just wonder where I find it
15:00.46DewiBluechip: debian. installer.
15:00.47suwroaspWork: uh - then install the binary from distro
15:00.51Bluechipahhhh - thanks
15:00.54torrrjetscreamer, I see it in http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/incron
15:00.54suwroit is the same version
15:00.59jetscreamertorrr: after you add the line for the backports source, apt-cache search
15:01.08jetscreameror apt-cache show
15:01.20BluechipdewI: having a cd which sets up your machine properly without interaction seems like something everyone should do ...to me
15:01.21aspWorksuwro, it fails complaing of xorg version
15:01.43jetscreamersine: a full list of 'available' modules would be very long.. apt-get install modconf maybe
15:01.43DewiBluechip: in debian you can install any list of packages you want with a single command
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15:01.56DewiBluechip: so repurposing an installer seems like a waste of time, frankly
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15:01.58torrrjetscreamer, which line?
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15:02.01aspWorkhang on
15:02.13jetscreamertorrr: the one in the backport factoid?
15:02.14xinguDewi: the remote will occasionally try and boost its sending rate (re-double segment size if this has halved, or optimistically reduce the inter-segment delay); if this works, the bandwidth properties change in that direction, and this results in an ACK signalling either that the rx end has reclocked in the latter case or that the new segment size is a good'un in the former.
15:02.16jetscreamer!backports
15:02.16dpkgsomebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
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15:02.28jetscreameror there's a line somwehere
15:02.38xinguDewi: nb, this is an area of research and it depends on which tcp variant you're talking about.
15:02.50Bluechipdewi: but why they have chosen to leave the option so secret I cant find it is just plain weird
15:02.54yangjetscreamer: can a "simple sid backport" apt-get command be replaced with aptitude command?
15:03.02xinguDewi: some tcp variants will *never* recover once they have a stable idea of bandwidth between source and sink
15:03.10xinguDewi: ie, only ever reduce.
15:03.13Dewixingu: right. So in that sense it sort of is controlled by the sending end kind of prodding at potential opportunities. (realising of course that it would be totally blind without the acks)
15:03.13jetscreamertorrr: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
15:03.30suwroaspWork: then I am sorry I have no clue...
15:03.31jetscreameryang: yes substitute aptitude for apt-get
15:03.32xinguDewi: yes; but again, the only control a reciever has is over its own emissions
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15:03.47aspWorkanyway i can tell apt to ignore this
15:03.49DewiBluechip: what option?
15:03.59Bluechipthe install script
15:04.00DewiBluechip: the installer is an open source piece of software
15:04.06suwroaspWork: why don't you use testing with sid repo enable? install packages with apt-get install -t unstable...
15:04.07DewiBluechip: you can make your own if you wish
15:04.07jetscreameraspWork: aptitude dist-upgrade ?
15:04.07aspWorkfglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed
15:04.14DewiBluechip: you can modify what's there
15:04.22aspWorkjetscreamer, did that this morning
15:04.24xinguDewi: wondershaper's docco makes this reasonably well clear; it futzes with ACK rate-limiting and reordering to achieve its goal of never *completely* satuating the last-mile link
15:04.25jetscreamero
15:04.25Bluechipdewi: sure, but how? where are the docs?
15:04.28DewiBluechip: but that's an act of software creation; not normal sysadmin
15:04.33yangjetscreamer: so it goes like this : aptitude build-dep packagename;aptitude -b source packagename
15:04.38Bluechip"normal" lol
15:04.40jonesy_jetscreamer: I got the new driver from the nvidia site and it's working great, thanks very much for your help :)
15:04.47jetscreameryang: i don't know the build-dep stuff
15:05.02Bluechipdewi: so editing a script is "software creation" :O
15:05.04Ahrihi, i've got a mipsel NAS with Debian installed and have a bit of a problem; when trying to apt-get install anything it tries to install a newer version of GCC along with expecting a kernel upgrade (which is impossible; i'm stuck with the current kernel come hell or high water - 2.6 is _not_ an option) - my problem is detailed at http://forum.nas-central.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3995 - is there some way to avoid this problem?
15:05.07DewiBluechip: it's not a script
15:05.12DewiBluechip: it's probably a binary
15:05.25DewiBluechip: with some resources with lists of packages
15:05.28xinguDewi: once the hosepipe connecting you to the world fills and starts queueing, your options are drastically limited; the to-Rx pipe is already full, which means you have very limited control over telling your matrix of Tx-ends to slow down.
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15:05.43yangAhri: you can somehow say aptitude keep <packagename>
15:05.48xinguDewi: ie, they're already running at full blast and your last-mile link is already en-queued to the moon
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15:06.02Dewixingu: but if you stop sending acks as often they'll leave you be
15:06.10Dewixingu: I realise that is your point, of course
15:06.10Bluechipdewi: "probably" ...now you see my problem - nobody even knows what it is, let alone what it might be called, where it lives or how to change it!!
15:06.17DewiBluechip: why would we know?!?!
15:06.33DewiBluechip: why would we need to change it?
15:06.38xinguDewi: precisely; if no single Tx entity is flooding you yet, you can tell *all* of them to back off a bit as a new flow emerges
15:06.40Bluechipdewi: because you are intelligent, experienced and helping on #debian
15:06.46DewiBluechip: I can write a bash script to install packages in a single line
15:06.49DewiBluechip: but you don't want that
15:06.57DewiBluechip: you want to mess with the installer itself
15:06.59aspWorkso, any way to tell apt to ignore the depedency, since i have xserver-xorg   1:7.3+2?
15:07.01suwroumm - how does ubuntu show sysinit messages - that fancy [ok] thing?? i hate the boot messages mess - kernel boot option is quiet - but sysv scripts.... well... they dump messages
15:07.08Bluechipdewi: can you also make it run automatically?
15:07.11DewiBluechip: which is fine but don't expect that all of us are falling over ourselves to mess with the standard distro
15:07.23lordwolfyo wheres the  location of the directory of C header files that match your running
15:07.26xinguDewi: if you're already flooded, and a new flow is larval, it will estimate there to be no bandwidth and unlimited delay between it and you
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15:07.37lordwolfof my kernel?
15:07.39xinguDewi: obviously it's um optimistic to expect that situation to recover
15:07.51DewiBluechip: well, actually, there's all kinds of optional modules, some of which probably enable some more automation
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15:07.58BluechipDewi: Sure.  I just didn't realise how hard and undocumented it would be
15:08.24DewiBluechip: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394
15:08.42Bluechipahri: NSLU2?
15:08.45yangI wonder how can I add an   entry to the dpkg   bot?
15:08.52DewiBluechip: I googled 'debian unattended install'
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15:09.30Bluechip...reading...
15:09.31Dewianyway it's getting late here
15:09.32lordwolfyo wheres the  location of the directory of C header files that match your running
15:09.35lordwolfof my kernel?
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15:09.36jetscreameryang: first you have to give up your first unborn child
15:09.43Dewiand I'm getting grumpy and tired, Bluechip  :)
15:09.49DewiI might go and get some sleeps
15:10.19yangjetscreamer: I am not a part of the satanic group
15:10.20BluechipDewi: np, thanks for your time dude :)
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15:10.49DewiBluechip: that's quite alright. I just wish everyone's questions weren't so far away from "stuff I've ever tried to do"
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15:10.56yangjetscreamer: but I would like to add an entry for !debian-si
15:11.36BluechipDewi: No challenge in repeating old stuff :) ....that's why we're all here
15:11.40DewiBluechip: thing about debian installer is it's quite consistent about enter being the default almost always
15:11.57DewiBluechip: I think the only question you can't answer by hitting enter is the "are you sure you want to destroy the contents of a disk"
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15:12.25DewiBluechip: so you can really fly through it pretty fast. But hey, maybe you're rolling out 50 workstations, I dunno
15:12.39fastaDoes "last" show all reboots?
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15:13.12DewiBluechip: you can also tell debconf to only bother you with questions in the most critical of circumstances
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15:14.20anomicdo you guys know of a good frontend for mplayer i could use for my media centre?
15:14.23anomici've tried mythtv, but it's pretty overkill for just playing movies. all i need is a good way to list the movies i have on disk, and browse them with a remote control
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15:15.31sinejetscreamer,  i wonder if you can help me. i have a sony vaio and i want to get the fn buttons and the fan and brightness settings with a module called sonypi apparantly its built into the kernel tree, seeing as i only installed debian yesterday im a bit bemused as to how i get at it
15:15.52sinei do however have a pen and paper and are writing all the commands and locations down
15:15.59torrrjetscreamer, thanks
15:16.04smharI am installing debian to pc that had windows in. It has only one harddisk (20GB) that never had a problem with windows or live knoppix. but in debian I am getting a lot of strange kernel boot messages about failed hardidsk seeking errors and such things. what could be the problem?
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15:16.49jetscreamersine: use modconf
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15:16.52jetscreamerapt-get install modconf
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15:17.03Dewismhar: that sounds bad
15:17.03jetscreamerthen run it
15:17.07Dewismhar: PATA or SATA?
15:17.17jetscreamerthen browse the modules and load whatever
15:17.22smharDewi, normal ide
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15:17.31lordwolfyo wheres is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel?
15:17.43smharfor a P3 866 MHz computer
15:17.56jetscreamerapt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) lordwolf
15:18.10lordwolfthanks
15:18.12BluechipDewi: all good words - thanks - the big pain is that 'users' will be using this disk - I just want to remove as much risk as I possibly can
15:18.16jetscreamerotherwise it's in /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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15:18.25jetscreameralso after you install
15:18.29lordwolfuname -r
15:18.32Dewismhar: well, linux certainly shouldn't have too much trouble talking to any normal PATA device. I'm worried about your hardware. Run a SMART check
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15:18.42jetscreamerlinux-headers-$(uname -r)
15:19.21DewiBluechip: I normally deselect even "standard system" in the tasksel stage so what I have is lovely and empty
15:19.25xinguDewi: nb; for your previous example; for 2x sources flowing wan->lan; each source will estimate the avaiable bandwidth based on the delay between ACK's that the LAN-end pumps back and share it more or less fairly as a result; based on this estimation of bandwidth (and a calculated round-trip-delay) - each source will allow a given number of segments to be in flight at a given time; wherever the bottleneck is between WAN->LAN, it will first queu
15:19.25xingue, then discard these segments
15:19.38jetscreameryes tasksel bah
15:19.40jetscreamergad
15:19.42jetscreamerbad
15:19.49jetscreamer(gah!)
15:19.54smharDewi, the harddisk was partitioned, formatted and software installed in it by debian with no problem. what is SMART check?
15:19.57xinguDewi: once one of the two senders shuts up/ ceases - these segments in flight from the remaining survivor - will arrive with a shorter inter-segment delay
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15:20.31xinguDewi: this will result in the Rx end sending an ACK as the bandwidth property in the to-Rx direction has just changed
15:20.32Dewixingu: because the queue just before the ADSL modem clears quicker than normal?
15:20.52xinguDewi: yes; the surving Tx end will then go optimistic and try and increase its bandwidth
15:21.06Dewixingu: I mean... surely there should only be as many packets in transit as would normally fill the (twice as narrow) pipe?
15:21.16lordwolfwhoa theres a big list
15:21.17Dewixingu: but I guess there will be subtle queueing
15:21.19xinguDewi: "queue then discard"
15:21.43jetscreamerlordwolf: paste this:  apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
15:21.51xinguDewi: so typically you might have 0-1s worth of "queue" regardless of RTT
15:21.51jetscreamerit will do what you want
15:22.18CBG`Hi. I am getting a "kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server" when trying to "startkde". Any help is great...
15:22.19lordwolfok is going to install something now
15:22.19Dewixingu: and it's going to clear twice as quickly
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15:22.49Dewixingu: I get the feeling that transmittors do generally run in a vaguely optimistic mode... so that queues tend towards full instead of empty
15:22.50jetscreameri think startkde needs an xserver to run on
15:22.59jetscreamertry startx instead?
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15:23.13defryskwhy not use kdm ?
15:23.30jetscreameror man Xdefaults or something
15:23.34jetscreamerxauthority?
15:23.36Dewixingu: I guess once queues overflow, acks stop coming back
15:23.36jetscreameri forget
15:23.42xinguDewi: generally, yes; the Tx end will every so often try and increase its bandwidth by putting another segment in flight; again this is where you go from "TCP/IP illustrated" land into research land.
15:23.50Dewixingu: so it should be clear to a transmittor what the queue saturation point is
15:24.09xinguDewi: yes exactly; tcp estimates bandwidth by looking for the limit at which loss occurs
15:24.26xinguDewi: hence the effectiveness of cbwfq/WRED
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15:25.12jetscreamerthat made sense.. i'm scared
15:25.18Dewixingu: this is all surprisingly close to how I imagined. Except that we haven't talked about any of the maths which would all be beyond me.
15:25.33Dewixingu: but thank you for giving me a slightly more rigourous look than usual.
15:25.34jetscreamer#math
15:25.38xinguDewi: it's magic stuff; the maths stuff describes it far more precisely
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15:27.20xinguDewi: if you want to constrain/ choke tcp in the to-rx direction you need to interspose a device which is going to (a) be programmed with some idea about "total" end to end bandwidth *or* measure this and *then* start discarding data bound toward Rx
15:27.54xinguDewi: this can be done with creative use of VM's within a single host; but it's tricky; and you need to know that you're actually dealing with *emitted* flows, not recieved ones.
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15:28.24xinguDewi: the best grounder for this - is tada, wondershaper
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15:28.29xinguI'm not a complete fruit.
15:28.59HoxzerI'm trying to compile latest python-fuse bindings but I'm running into problem http://www.pastebin.ca/704760
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15:29.13Dewixingu: why can't you do it on one host?
15:29.26Dewixingu: just by being selective about acks?
15:29.30Hoxzernot really compile but install
15:29.41xinguDewi: that's exactly what wondershaper does
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15:30.00abrotmanHoxzer: you're missing files!
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15:30.17abrotmanGiRL[24]: are you going to spam us?
15:30.18lordwolfok done installing let me see if it works now
15:30.21Roninabrotman: i bet they are
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15:30.30Dewixingu: so why this talk of VMs? seems like it could be painful
15:30.47xinguDewi: the bit it's missing is the creme; if you want more than what wondershaper does - which is to hardcode your WAN->LAN lastmile hop bandwidth as an upper bound - you need to observe what tcp is actually doing, cut-through, across all flows bound toward Rx
15:30.51abrotmanHoxzer: maybe you need libfuse-dev ?
15:31.42Hoxzerabrotman: maybe you are right
15:31.48Dewixingu: doesn't the rx on a single host have this same view?
15:31.53xinguDewi: if a hard-coded statement of upper-bound is enough, then cool, use that; but it rapidly gets trickier once you start thinking about building traffic classes that reflect on-LAN vs in-city vs in-country vs global
15:32.31Dewixingu: although obviously being nearer the bottleneck would seem the best place to be
15:32.40xinguDewi: once you get to the point where you want to limit traffic bound to a host such that it chokes *none* of your points of ingres or backbones or... :)
15:33.41Dewixingu: right, but isn't the next device upstream subject to the same choking that's beyond its control? It seems like the only real point of power is the node just before the biggest bottleneck in the direction of packet flow
15:33.44jetscreamer[[B]egum] (n=sWeeTy_@88.240.46.155) : FaTHeR  <--wtf is that
15:33.48jetscreamerthe father
15:33.54xinguDewi: for some topologies you have less bandwidth on each radial hop away, not more
15:33.55Roninjetscreamer: spam bot no doubt
15:34.05abrotmanHoxzer: MAYBE?!?!
15:34.06merc_workheh, i never noticed debian releases were named after toy story characters...
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15:34.23jetscreamer!toy story
15:34.23dpkgsomebody said toy story was The release names for the Debian distribution are named after characters from "Toy Story", the computer-animated movie.  buzz == 1.1, rex == 1.2, bo == 1.3, hamm == 2.0, slink == 2.1, potato == 2.2, woody == 3.0, sarge == 3.1, etch == ?.?, or ask me about "release history", or <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>, or sid used to be the version used for newly-ported arch'es, but now it's unstable
15:34.37Dewiheh
15:34.40Dewithat needs some updating
15:34.42xinguDewi: anyway, missing the point a little; "yes" you're right, ACK-limiting is usually sufficient; controlling what you emit, is usually sufficient; there are times when it isn't
15:34.56xinguDewi: when it's not, things get hairy, fast.
15:35.00merc_workdoesnt that mean they will eventually run out of names?
15:35.05merc_workthen what? toy story 2?!
15:35.08abrotman!toy story =~ s/?.?/4.0/
15:35.08dpkgabrotman: OK
15:35.08Roninmerc_work: not likely
15:35.12Dewimerc_work: no, then linux is over
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15:35.16Dewimerc_work: we all go homr
15:35.17jetscreamerddpkg: toy story=~ s/..... nm
15:35.18Dewihome
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15:35.38defryskthey are planning to release a toystory4 when Debian is out of names
15:35.47merc_worki say just move to other pixar movies :)
15:35.57merc_workmonsters inc would be cool :)
15:36.06jetscreamerwe have sarge, i say go to idsoftware!
15:36.10xingunah, just start again
15:36.23xinguclock wrap
15:36.45Dewidefrysk: yeah we can't just go burning through names every couple fo months
15:36.48kspathlittlealien0 littlealien2 toysoldier0 toysoldier1 ...
15:36.50merc_work'well, time for another debian release...lets watch toy story...again...'
15:36.51Dewidefrysk: so we sprinkle bugs in here and there
15:36.56defrysklol
15:37.15jetscreamerot but ... so where the hell does ubuntu get it's names... i mean, feisty fawn? wtf
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15:37.25Dewijetscreamer: toy story slash fanfiction
15:37.30defryskjetscreamer, from mike's hat
15:37.45kspathjetscreamer: d, e, f, g,  ....
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15:38.11kspathjetscreamer: alphabet, adjective , animal
15:38.25Dewigah
15:38.28Dewiwhat a stupid system
15:38.38defryskif mike thinks Ubuntu tigerish doodle the next version will ahve that name
15:38.45DewiI'm going to *write* the toy story slash fanfiction if I have to
15:39.05jetscreamerheh.. thanks kspath
15:39.05Dewijust to make it fit my crackpot theories
15:39.20jetscreamerhire a ghostwriter Dewi
15:39.33Dewijetscreamer: on the internet they come for free
15:39.49Dewijetscreamer: at work I banned a white supremacist with 6 sock puppets yesterday
15:40.16DewiI mean... he was really going to town, for weeks
15:41.06merc_workwtf
15:41.13Dewi(on a forum)
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15:41.23merc_workoh, heh
15:41.33merc_workwas wondering about that for a second there
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15:42.04Dewimerc_work: wondering if I work in nazi children's theatre? Only on wednesday nights...
15:42.24merc_workwell, more like how you manage 6 sock puppets, but, that would've been next im sure.
15:42.28xinguDewi: von trapp? is that you?
15:42.40jetscreamer2 hands, 2 feet, 2 heads...
15:43.01xingujetscreamer: sock, not cock
15:43.11jetscreamerthat's how to manage
15:43.18Dewimerc_work: he wasn't even very good. it was a static IP, probably at his place of work... but we don't have any software measures or proper moderation so he got away with it for a while.
15:43.19jetscreamerwhere the socks go
15:43.43merc_workstupid newb white supremecist sock puppet toting bastards!
15:44.00jetscreamerare you sure the socks were white? not coloured?
15:44.04jetscreamer:)
15:44.31Sebhi fellows
15:44.32jetscreamerok enough bad jokes
15:44.43lordwolf-$(uname -r) <-- this means to install the latest one for my kernel right?
15:45.02jetscreamerlordwolf: the currently running kernel yes
15:45.12lordwolfahh thanks
15:45.31lordwolfthe command that you gave me help me out thanks
15:45.39jetscreamernp been there
15:46.16lordwolfyah i want o learn debian good
15:46.27gpmgood is not an adverb
15:46.38lordwolfso build a box to test test and test some more
15:46.38Roninheh
15:46.46lordwolfhehe
15:46.49Dewigpm: shut up, he didn't say he wanted to speak english good
15:46.58Roninya he wants to speak it goodly
15:47.05lordwolfsorry not from the us
15:47.24gpmwhere are you from?
15:47.28Roninlordwolf: then you're doing fine, speak it better then abrotman does ;)
15:47.34gpmor rather, what's your first language?
15:47.46lordwolfspanish
15:47.49gpmi see.
15:47.49jetscreameryour english is a hell of a lot better than my <insert your language here>
15:47.54gpmhaha
15:47.56lordwolflol
15:48.00jetscreamerlordwolf: /join #debian-es btw
15:48.05gpmyeah, americans are particularly bad in the second-language area
15:48.06lordwolfahh
15:48.08jetscreameralso
15:48.10lordwolfi prefer english
15:48.13jetscreamerno need to /part
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15:48.15lordwolfthank you tho
15:48.31gpmhaha, i may be a grammar nazi from time to time.
15:48.38gpmbut i'll try to contain myself
15:48.39lordwolfi prefer english, i grew up in my country watching tv
15:48.47lordwolfthat's from where i learned my english
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15:49.05Dewilordwolf: that must be a really strange way to learn english
15:49.08sinewhat is the best msn aLternative
15:49.09jetscreamergpm: then ##english may be for you... where ppl want to be corrected
15:49.18Dewilordwolf: but since I'm not from the USA either, it's how I learned about the USA too.
15:49.27lordwolfhehe
15:49.31SpeedyGlordwolf: isnt that the european standard way of learning english before going to school? :D:D:D
15:49.33gpmjetscreamer: i said i'd try to contain myself, and i was only half-serious. i hate an obnoxious grammar nazi as much as the next guy.
15:49.36jetscreameramsn or gaim maybe
15:49.52jetscreamererr pidgin
15:50.08jetscreamertv is NOT what it's really like
15:50.13lordwolfim from
15:50.18lordwolfdominican republic
15:50.26lordwolfnot really
15:50.38Dewigpm: correcting people is okay. lordwolf: having imperfect English is okay (English is so diverse nobody will notice you're not a native!)
15:50.41lordwolfin my time in school there were no english classes
15:50.42kspathcentericq / centerim are nice if you are not a GUI person
15:51.06Dewisine: I use bitlbee which emulates it into irc
15:51.09lordwolfi prefer english than my own language
15:51.16gpmas long as you're nice about it, i see nothing wrong with being a stickler for grammar
15:51.20lordwolfand i learn faster in english than spanish
15:51.25gpmit's the mean grammar nazis i have a problem with
15:51.30lordwolfhehe
15:51.32sinedewi yes i used that before ta mate but i want a gui me thinks :D
15:52.00Dewisine: for GUI I just use the MS client
15:52.15SpeedyGgpm: as much as I hate the grammar nazis, so do I hate the aol-kiddies who dont wanna try to type decent english ;)
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16:07.42merc_workdoes debian have a default window manager that comes with it?
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16:07.53reoeanyone how to active pal4?
16:08.53Hoxzeranybody here using latest gmailfs ?
16:08.57SpeedyGmerc_work: iirc, default they have gnome
16:08.58petemcreoe: how to what?
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16:10.26PriceChild!ops [B]egum is a pm spammer on user's join
16:10.26dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pricechild complains about: [B]egum is a pm spammer on user's join
16:10.30Mazingaroplease, I've got problem with 2.6.18-5-amd64 and nvidia X11 modules
16:10.36MazingaroX won't start
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16:11.02reoepetemc: a game  pal4  in china  @@
16:11.48merc_workthanks SpeedyG
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16:12.56defryskreoe, you seem to be in the wrong channel
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16:13.36Sebcan I force ssh to write the new host key in known_hosts, if it has changed ?
16:13.47Seb-o StrictHostKeyChecking=no doesn't seem to cut it
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16:14.05PriceChildty whoever that was :)
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16:15.01RichiHPriceChild: it was kloeri
16:15.25kloerisure, blame me :)
16:15.27PriceChildRichiH, the /cycle gave it away :P
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16:21.24Pietanyone aware of eclipse 3.3.x debs? or a way to use the eclipse upgrading tool to upgrade to that?
16:22.09Pieti'm not sure i want to run eclipse as root, thoug that might work for upgrading 3.2 to 3.3, but it's quite ugly
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16:24.16cylent77can someone please help me
16:24.22cylent77my apt-get is funked up
16:24.24cylent77Starting PostgreSQL 7.4 database server: main* Error: The cluster is owned by user id 31 which does not exist any more
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16:24.34Hoxzer:D "Funked up"
16:24.38cylent77this is what i get when i try to do any apt-get
16:24.57cylent77i tried apt-get -f and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
16:24.59cylent77same errors
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16:26.36lordwolfdid u tried to kill the id?
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16:27.35cylent77kill id?
16:28.46cylent77Heres the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m2afe5eb8
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16:31.56amadeushow do I enable/use AIGLX?
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16:33.23unilynxamadeus: what do you have for a card?
16:33.28SpeedyGcylent77: does 'cat /etc/passwd |grep 31' give you a result ?
16:33.35SpeedyG(I guess it doesnt)
16:34.02amadeusunilynx: Nvidia 6600GT
16:34.12riothmm. how do i install multiple versions of python? I had this before i reinstalled (without me doing anything) but now apt-get claims there were a conflict :(
16:34.32amadeusunilynx: but I have the Black Windows Bug on beryl, and people say that using AIGLX helps
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16:35.30unilynxedit your settings in beryl then
16:35.46Mazingaroplease I got this problem:  FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device
16:35.52unilynxrefer to the beryl faq
16:35.52Mazingaroafter modprobe nvidia
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16:40.52amadeusunilynx: It is not a beryl problem. It is an Nvidia driver problem. It is well known. One solution is to enable AIGLX. But I don't know how
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16:42.35chalhi
16:43.43chalI came accross this atricle for booting from ubs for pwerpc trying to find a similar article for the intel mac. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s04.html.en
16:43.51Th3On3hello
16:43.52chalusb
16:43.58Th3On3i want to build the package via debian repository sources
16:44.04Th3On3but there is some problem with their control version system (bzr)
16:44.08Th3On3some lock on a dir
16:44.13simonrvnamadeus: i believe this is in their faq unilynx mentioned: Section "ServerFlags"\nOption      "AIGLX" "on"\nEndSection
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16:46.14pif_hi, how can I make cron silent, i.e: no report in syslog ?
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16:46.21Shadowcatis there something in Linux that's similar to Windows' Remote Desktop feature?
16:46.31danielchal: Try asking Apple-folks
16:46.38danielShadowcat: VNC
16:46.57Shadowcatdaniel: to the current desktop?
16:47.08Shadowcatthat doesn't show what you're doing on the local screen?
16:47.17danielYes, it can.
16:47.19chaldaniel: yes did that already
16:47.35NodeSurf( mumble ) console ( mumble )
16:47.37Shadowcatdaniel: whilel locking the remote screen?
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16:47.49danielShadowcat: Not locking, no.
16:47.54Shadowcatbah
16:48.11relaxedpif_: end the command with  >/dev/null 2>&1
16:48.11danielShadowcat: The Linux remoting world is much more powerful than Remote Desktop, though...
16:48.24ShadowcatI know how to remote using ssh
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16:48.27danielShadowcat: I think there's remoting built into KDE
16:48.43Shadowcatdaniel: does a wonderful job of showing the people at home everything you do
16:48.50Shadowcat:(
16:48.51zinxdaniel: Linux also has a RDP server (and client) :D
16:49.05danielzinx: Yes
16:49.09Shadowcatzinx: ?
16:49.29danielShadowcat: RDP is the protocol used by Windows' "Remote Desktop" and "Terminal Server" stuff.
16:49.36chaldaniel: also its a debian.org article
16:49.48Shadowcatdaniel: I know the protocol
16:49.56Shadowcatbut I hadn't heard of a linux implementation
16:50.11danielThere're many, for example rdesktop.
16:50.22ShadowcatI'm aware of the client
16:50.23Shadowcatnot the server
16:50.47danielI think you have enough keywords to google for, I don't know a software that does exactly what you want off hand.
16:51.14ShadowcatI've been googling all afternoon
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16:51.26Shadowcat99% of the time I don't even need to come here
16:51.34Shadowcatalthough, xrdp is new to me
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16:51.55yolkaplexusanyone using testing ?
16:52.09Shadowcat<--- unstable
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16:52.36yolkaplexus<----- stable
16:52.41balzac5000What's the difference between the apt packages "linux-image" and "kernel-image"? I"ve been trying to find this answer through a variety of sources and keep striking out...
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16:52.52Shadowcatkernel-image is old
16:52.54ShadowcatREAL OLD
16:52.54unilynx<---- testing
16:53.11yolkaplexusany reason to move to leeny ?
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16:53.18unilynxdepends
16:53.22balzac5000So when playing with the 2.6 kind one should lean towards the "linux-image"?
16:53.30Shadowcatyou DON'T want to be on unstable right now
16:53.33ShadowcatI repeat, DON'T
16:53.35yolkaplexusI just see one gnome 2.18 but I moved to fluxbox now
16:53.43wols_balzac5000: depends if you run etch or something before that
16:53.48unilynxthen stay with stable
16:53.50wols_if you run etch, ther eis only "Linux-image" nothing else
16:54.12balzac5000I'm running edgy on the server in question
16:54.24yolkaplexusbalzac5000: i have a Etch upgrade from woody
16:54.37balzac5000But I see both kinds of images available with an apt-get search
16:54.47balzac5000That's the route I took too
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16:55.06balzac5000My sources.list reference edgy by name...
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16:55.40balzac5000If there's a URL that explains this I'm happy to RTFM I just can't seem to find it!
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16:56.29bullgard4/proc/acpi/embedded_controller/EC0/info has the contents: "gpe: 0x17; ports: 0x66, 0x62; useglobal lock: no" Does my laptop computer have an embedded controller?
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16:57.15danielShadowcat: There's also http://freenx.berlios.de... dunno if that is any better for you.
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16:57.46c0rnd0ghi flks
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16:58.28deweyhmmm sound works when I play a file but when I p[lay cd or dvd no sound?
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16:59.01deweyplaying cd or dvd in mandriva works fine on same computer?
16:59.10yolkaplexusis tracker-search-tool available as a http service ?
16:59.28yolkaplexusas google linux does
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16:59.40sohmestradewey: are you using the same program to play the cd?
16:59.53deweyyes kscd from kde
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17:00.18deweykmix shows everything green
17:00.35infinity0when i use "ls -la" from $ it formats it with pretty colouring... how do i get the output to do the same with #?
17:00.38sohmestradewey: and if you play an mp3, do you hear sound?
17:00.58troubledAha! I knew there was a reason for the Canadian dollar reaching parity with the US! "but it means us Canucks will get cheaper Macs as the Canadian prices get closer to US prices with every new release". Its so we can get cheaper Macs! :)
17:00.59yolkaplexusdewys: using digital data extrqction ?
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17:01.55xipietotecjust wondering, does the debian version of ion3 contain the xft patch?
17:02.17xipietotecunder a different name or some such?
17:02.20Sebhow do I make it so that eth0 us if'uped automatically if it's connected ?
17:02.27deweysoh
17:02.45deweysohmestra: when I use gnome cd player I here sound lol
17:02.49abrotmanSeb: you mean after you boot ?
17:02.52petemc!ifplugd
17:02.52dpkgit has been said that ifplugd is a laptop users best friend. ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled.
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17:03.18deweyso kscd in kde does not work for me LOL
17:03.27t0mb0yxipietotec: man interfaces
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17:04.30xipietotect0mb0y, err, I'm asking about ion3, a window manager
17:04.32deweyso now to figure out sound for dvd play!
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17:06.26Sebabrotman: yes
17:06.35Sebpetemc: oh cool
17:06.39Sebpetemc: thanks a lot
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17:09.04amir000hi
17:09.08henryHello everybody, I'm using anjuta 2.2.1 with sid, how do I get the svn plugin ?
17:09.32amir000everyone donwnloaded update for debian etch?
17:09.48xipietotecthe developer flips out if someone patches his wm, (and changed his license to reflect that) and I see its been moved to non-free, but I was wondering if there was a renamed version (since its over a trademark issue) which is prepatched to use xft instead of xlib
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17:15.04RichiHis there some place in /proc where the current battery status is hiding?
17:16.17cahoot/proc/acpi/battery/BAT0
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17:17.32xinguhmmm
17:18.01m4lu6OK, so I have a new box, using lenny. I want to use linux-image-2.6.20-xyz, but lenny has 2.6.21-6 ... where can I find a stash of old kernel packages? (or does this stash even exist?)
17:18.40jetscreameri have eliminated that bothersome delay when opening webpages. i have also determined that comcast dns servers must be overloaded. solution: your very own local dns server.
17:18.47jetscreamerit's like magic.
17:18.48xinguaah, I bet that's it, piix is getting there first
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17:19.23xingujetscreamer: your very own squid proxy running in nullfs mode is worth the effort too
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17:19.59jetscreamerthen i will have to figure out exactly what that means :)
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17:20.38balzac5000I have a machine with kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp loaded on it and everything works fine. When I try to upgrade to linux-image 2.6.18-5-486 my 3com NIC stops working even though the 3c59x module is loaded. Anybody know why? I've modprobed my brains out and I'm really stuck...
17:21.04balzac5000(I use the smp kernel to take advantage of RAM)
17:21.48xingubalzac5000: check and make sure it's still the eth you think it was
17:21.49lbchow exactly does it stop working ? what kind of output do you get ?
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17:22.18xingunb: 2.6.8 is pre-udev; 2.6.18 is post-udev.
17:22.27balzac5000xingu: I've done ifconfig eth0 down and then ifconfig eth0 up - ifconfig just shows lo
17:22.58xingubalzac5000: lsmod | grep -i net
17:23.01balzac5000lbc: stops working in that it won't ping anything and doesn't show up when I issue the ifconfig command - where I usually see the NIC listed...
17:23.08xingubalzac5000: sorry, lspci | grep net
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17:23.46balzac5000xingu: lsmod gives me ip_conntrack
17:24.10balzac5000lspci gives me the info on the 3com 3c905b that works fine under kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp
17:24.23balzac5000I appreciate the help!
17:24.37lbcwhat interfaces get listed with a ifconfig -a ?
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17:25.33balzac5000I see what you're saying about which eth it could be - I see my interface showing up as eth2. It is NOT a multi-homed system so I'm confused here...
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17:25.50balzac5000I also see "sit0" which I've never seen before...
17:25.59cahoot!z25
17:25.59dpkgsomebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address.  the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory
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17:26.40balzac5000Is there a reason I *would* want udev to be renaming my interfaces?
17:26.51xingubalzac5000: yes
17:27.02bullgard4/proc/acpi/embedded_controller/EC0/info has the contents: "gpe: 0x17; ports: 0x66, 0x62; useglobal lock: no" Does my laptop computer have an embedded controller?
17:27.31xingubalzac5000: bus probe order isn't guarenteed; what you're experiencing is in fact evidence of that; it's changed, between 2.6.8 and 2.6.18, directly, for you.
17:27.31balzac5000Good enough for me. Let me get to editing that file....
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17:28.03balzac5000Huh. So it's found something BEFORE the NIC on that bus that it wants to see as eth0?
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17:28.13xingubalzac5000: yes
17:28.40balzac5000Far out. I would have expected something like that in a 2.6 to 2.7 or something.
17:28.52lbcdo firewire ports get seen as ethernet-able by linux kernels ?
17:28.54ryan454my server is booting. i love all of you
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17:29.39xingubalzac5000: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3513
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17:29.47balzac5000So is the moral here to assign interface names via MAC address in the udev config files from now on?
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17:30.15ryan454YAY IT WORKES
17:30.24xingubalzac5000: zigagly
17:30.29xingubalzac5000: not just NIC names
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17:30.31balzac5000xingu: Ah, bitchin' link
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17:30.37xingubalzac5000: *any* bus to namespace transform.
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17:31.25BuzerHello. Is it possible to run Debian installer in a live system? (I have a headless computer without CD-rom drive, but I have managed to get into a system by using PXE boot)
17:31.34balzac5000It's a brave new world! I can understand why this is when you've got three NIC's in a machine (and I've got two that do) - not sure I see the point otherwise, but that's why Smart Guys and Gals develop the kernel for us, no?
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17:32.13xingubalzac5000: now wrap your head around what "the right thing to do" is for a cPCI card cage, a blade server, or a docking station.
17:32.13daliasbuzer, probably. i know you can pxe-boot the debian installer with the net install images
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17:32.35BuzerI tried debootstrap method, but I get following error after "I: Extracting zlib1g..." -> "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /etc/lvm/wryyy mount -t proc proc /proc"
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17:33.17balzac5000Ah, good point. Glad my head is fairly flexible...  "I can see clearly now udev is done..."
17:34.15Sebwhat did I do wrong if my sarge box complaoned that /dev/md0 was non-existent at boot-time, then dropped me into a shell and I had to "/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start" to fix it
17:34.18Seb?
17:34.19balzac5000xingu: since this particular machine is our non-mobile samba server could I just do away with udev?
17:34.36xingubalzac5000: you could do, but you'll be pushing the proverbial uphill
17:34.47balzac5000Adapt or die - I can dig it.
17:34.49xingubalzac5000: the world really really wants to go udev; you do too
17:35.03balzac5000I can be a good German. =8^)
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17:35.48xinguhmm, time for a small experiment
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17:37.40infinity0uhh does anyone know how i can get the root terminal to output pretty colours like it does with the normal user?
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17:38.23lbcinfinity0 check out the .bashrc or .profile in your normal user's home directory
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17:38.31Buzeralias ls='ls --color'
17:38.34undesktopwith a recent dist-update (debian unstable), my GTK theme was somehow changed... I think I had a Gnome default theme; does anyone know what its name was?
17:38.35harkalias ls to ls --color=auto
17:38.39infinity0lbc: oh right ok cheers :)
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17:39.31infinity0Buzer, hark: hehe, thankses ^_^
17:39.48undesktopor does anyone know what the default gnome theme is now (in debian unstable)
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17:40.27harkinfinity0: it's already there in root's .bashrc, just uncomment it
17:40.33infinity0ahh ok
17:40.33xipietotec_does anyone know if there's a renamed version of ion3 with xft enabled in the repos?
17:40.42Bart1hi, got a problem installing locales, depends glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 broken packages
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17:41.37lrphi there
17:41.50lrpi need a hand installing jre in firefox 2
17:41.53lrpany ideas ?
17:42.06harkxipietotec_: no, it's disabled because of non ttf support
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17:42.37lrpi wrote a manual that sayd about /usr/java but when i installed jre  there is nothing in usr with that name , and also the plugin.so to link to firefox directory
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17:42.46xipietotec_hark, ah thanks =). Damn, no version of ion3 that can use my fancy-ass fonts.
17:43.11Bart1anybody about that locales problem ?
17:43.18harklrp: what debian version?
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17:43.27lrpfirefox2
17:43.37lrphark,  the last one
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17:43.51lrphark,  i downloaded the package and installed
17:44.03harkinstall sun-java5-plugin (in non-free)
17:44.21lrphark, its all ready installed
17:44.23hark!tell Bart1 about bat
17:44.39lrphark the trouble is how to make firefox work with jre
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17:44.55lrphark debian 4
17:45.03kshow value 19 compares to -20  in top's NI column ?
17:45.07lrphark, im using debian 4
17:45.18Bart1i aint ketting info about bat
17:45.23Bart1* getting
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17:46.09pickcoderBart1: /msg dpkg bat
17:46.24lrphark,  dunno where is the java modules to firefox
17:46.27[KruscheV]hi
17:46.27Bart1ok
17:46.38pickcoderlrp: hark told you which package to install
17:46.43[KruscheV]somebody knows how to install unrar?
17:46.51wols_!unrar
17:46.51dpkgsomebody said unrar was a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
17:47.03harklrp: shouldn't have to do anything, the plugin get installed in the right places :)
17:47.05lrppickcoder, i have all ready installed
17:47.16wols_dpkg -l |grep java
17:47.16dpkgNo packages found matching |grep java
17:47.24wols_lrp: runt hat
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17:47.28wols_dpkg: fuck off
17:47.28dpkgyou too, you cunt
17:47.29pickcoderlrp: if you install firefox from source, dpkg may have a hard time auto-configuring the plugin for you
17:47.31lrphark yes but i have the firefox in /home/firefox *(binary)
17:47.59[KruscheV]but i'm looking to unrar-nonfree, and i can't install the package
17:48.01wols_hark: is there a plugin dir anywhere?
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17:48.07Bart1http://paste.debian.net/37610
17:48.13wols_kryptoz: dpkg told you where to look
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17:48.24wols_tell [KruscheV] about non-free
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17:48.41hark/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ -> /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so
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17:49.01wAndyw78Hi at all. How does linux number the NICs? I had a Card A, removed it and inserted another NIC but now this NIC is named eth1, not eth0? Any hints?
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17:49.34wols_wAndyw78: undet
17:49.39wols_udev
17:49.46lrphark,  well im firefox 2 instead  iceweacel , anyway i ll check that directory if exist
17:50.00lrpfirefox 2.0.0.6
17:50.05pickcoderwAndyw78: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
17:50.30helowAndyw78: to reset it, echo ""> /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and reboot
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17:50.49heloor you can edit it if you want :)
17:50.50pickcoderwAndyw78: make sure to report "allow hotplug" from /etc/network/interfaces
17:50.56pickcodermeh
17:50.59pickcoders/report/remove
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17:51.19pickcoderreport on this.. edit this report and change that.. show me where "report" is...
17:51.24Bart1pickcoder: can you perhaps take a quick peek @ http://paste.debian.net/37610
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17:51.32lrphark,  yes , there is the plug in let me do a ln
17:51.56pickcoderwAndyw78: all you need is auto <interface> to bring it up on boot.. you don't need the allow hotplug statements
17:51.58wAndyw78pickcoder: helo: thanks for the hint, works. Thank you
17:52.18harklrp: ok, so you got it from mozilla.. then symlink from wherever it expects the plugin to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so
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17:52.30lrphark,  not working firefox crashes
17:52.43pickcoderheh
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17:53.34bart11sorry pressed wrong button
17:53.35bart11:)
17:53.39fastputtyis there anyway to communicate with IPSEC protocol vpn under debian?
17:53.44pickcoderBart1: cat /etc/debian_version
17:53.47wAndyw78pickcoder: Ah, this is why I never had this behaviour before. Copy&pasted my /etc/network/interfaces from my Laptop with PCMCIA NIC
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17:53.49fastputtybvecause openvpn is ssl
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17:53.55pickcoderthen pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
17:54.02bart113.1 is the version
17:54.03lrpi believe im going to install easywaeacel again tho
17:54.07[KruscheV]I can install it from a tar.gz
17:54.11[KruscheV]thanks for all
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17:54.47bart11sources.list http://paste.debian.net/37612
17:54.58pickcoderwAndyw78: you should only have udev installed on Etch+. you don't want hotplug and udev installed at the same time
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17:55.49pickcoder!info locales sarge
17:55.50wAndyw78pickcoder: can't remember to install hotplug manually. So I should apt-get remove it?
17:55.53dpkglocales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]), section base, is standard. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 3893 kB, Installed size: 10372 kB
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17:56.29bart11right, so sarge6 is not for me ?
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17:56.48pickcoderdpkg -l libc6
17:56.48dpkgii  libc6                 1.6-15           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
17:56.56pickcoderdpkg, shh
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17:57.33harkbart11: no, what does apt-cache policy locales libc6 say?
17:57.38pickcoderwAndyw78: you're on Etch?
17:57.46wAndyw78pickcoder: Yes
17:57.58pickcoderyeah you don't need hotplug with udev
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17:58.22pickcoderer..you shouldn't have hotplug with udev installed
17:58.29bart11http://paste.debian.net/37614
17:58.36wAndyw78okay, then I'll try to remove it. But i want to mention, that I haven't installed it myself
17:59.07pickcoderwAndyw78: it's from sarge and early etch
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17:59.14mhallI keep getthing this @#$%ing error: dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not set. How do I fix that and get X to configure itself. wtf?!?
17:59.45wAndyw78pickcoder: ...package hotplug is not installed...
17:59.52pickcoderyou're fine then
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18:00.05brosnerdumb question: what package does apxs2 come in? it appears to not come with apache2.  or am i missing something very obvious?
18:00.14wAndyw78pickcoder: why did you thought, I have it installed?
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18:00.26pickcoderI didn't.. just stating that you shouldn't have both
18:00.36pickcoderand to remove the hotplug directions from interfaces
18:00.46mhallbrosner: packages.debian.org
18:00.50fastputtyIs there a any VPN server /client using IPSEC on debian ? someone should know the answer please?
18:00.53wAndyw78pickcoder: okay, thank you again
18:00.54harkbart11: ok, you've got etch's libc6 installed
18:00.55mhallbrosner: search enging for files at bottom of page
18:01.08mhallfastputty: of course there are some
18:01.09brosnermhall: thanks.
18:01.11bart11how you see that ?
18:01.25fastputtymhall: could you give me the most used one
18:01.26bart11don't know how it happend
18:01.26mhallfastputty: you can search packages for keywords at packages.debian.org... search for ipsec
18:01.35hark!info libc6 etch
18:01.39dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB
18:01.42pickcoderhark: eek I just noticed that
18:01.50mhallfastputty: i know there are a couple of different ones... freeswan and openswan... one of which is not longer maintained and got forked
18:01.53pickcoderis that an official repos?
18:02.02mhallfastputty: if you read the wikipedia pages for them you can get more info
18:02.14bart11mirror from my hosting company
18:02.26pickcoderyup it is
18:02.27mhallfastputty: i can't tell you much because i got moved off the project here are work where i would have learned how to do it and put on something totally different
18:04.01bart11so i should uninstall that libc6 ? and install the one for sarge
18:04.04pickcoderbart11: which kernel do you have?
18:04.09bart11and then locales will work?
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18:04.28bart112.6.14-2-k7-smp
18:04.54c0rnd0ghi
18:05.16harkbart11: that's not really supported, if you can and don't want to reinstall.. upgrade to etch. /msg dpkg sarge->etch
18:05.30bart11is that pretty safe ?
18:05.37bart11i mean, its a running server
18:05.42bart11not really important
18:05.49bart11httpd can go down for 5 mins
18:05.51harketch is the current stable version
18:06.00bart11i mean upgrading
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18:06.11bart11can't afford to reboot, (remote hands)
18:06.12pickcodersarge won't be supported after ~ Apr 08
18:06.20pickcoderyou need to upgrade
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18:07.08pickcoderbart11: can you set up a failover machine and route traffic to it?
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18:09.20c0rnd0gi know we got language translators working overtime but what about translating to American Sequential alogorithms for understanding its complex logic?  *IMPORTANT*
18:10.24bart11bah its not that important
18:10.31bart11kind of scared of the switch
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18:10.45bart11just read the release notes
18:11.02bart11reboot will be required for newer kernel
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18:12.49bart11maybe i'll think about doing it tonight
18:12.52bart11can be good practice
18:13.13harkheh :)
18:13.18bart11but perhaps i first compile my own preffered kernel
18:13.27bart11also will be first time
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18:14.14pickcoderyou should recompile critical applications to fit your CPU if you going to do all of that
18:14.36bart11like what ?
18:14.48pickcoderapache?
18:14.53bart11it only runs lighttpd, mysql and 3 gameservers
18:14.58pickcoderoh
18:14.59pickcoderheh
18:15.16bart11so you mean like compiling lighttpd for that cpu arch and not using an apt version
18:15.21pickcoderdefinately don't want the game servers going down...
18:15.26pickcoderyeah
18:15.30bart11yeah they can go down
18:15.33bart11dont care of those
18:15.42bart11httpd also wont be missed to much
18:15.50bart11and i have an sort of kvm
18:16.00bart11will be one heck of experiment :)
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18:16.13bart11to bad to waste uptime
18:16.23bart11374days
18:16.36bart11or i should run a virtualisation program
18:16.51bart11and run new httpd and mysql in virtual box
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18:17.03bart11maybe also gameservers, but think they will lag
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18:17.52fghello for cpu amd 32 bit use cd debian i386?
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18:18.07harkyes
18:18.09pickcoderfg: yes
18:18.17fgok
18:18.18gryfie__how much speed-increase should a typical optimation from i386 to... say amd-k7 bring?
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18:18.39geo-rgehey I am trying to write a test program that connects to a database via odbc, and some of these calls are returning things that are not mentioned as possible... specifically th
18:18.50geo-rgeI'll sometimes get a return value of 100
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18:19.02bart11gryfie i wonder too
18:19.04pickcodergryfie__: that's a wild turkey shoot. it really depends on the code you're compiling
18:19.07bart11got an opteron 146
18:19.13bart11wondering if stock kernel will do fine
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18:20.07maddashis there a quick way to undo a 'apt-get build-dep' command?
18:20.11gryfie__pickcoder: Of course, but maybe you can give some examples..... say displaying videos in vlc   or   firefox
18:20.18xen_mastahey, how do I create extra serial devices using udev?  I have ttyS0 to ttyS3 already, comprised of the two standard ports on the mobo and a 2-port expansion card.  I just plopped in another 2-port card, and now I need to create ttyS4 and ttyS5.
18:20.34pickcodergryfie__: I don't have any benchmarks
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18:21.05geo-rgeand there's nowhere I've seen yet that talks about such a return value... I normally compare to SQL_SUCCESS, SQL_SUCCESS_WITH_INFO, SQL_INVALID_HANDLE and SQL_ERROR
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18:21.36bart11geo-rge can it be this doesn't belong in an OS channel ?
18:21.47geo-rgexen_masta: do ls -l on /dev/ttyS[0123]
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18:22.00geo-rgebart11: it's a debian package
18:22.04bart11i aint really going to finger point, everybody likes help, but i think there are other specialised channels
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18:22.13bart11owké then i said nothing :)
18:22.22geo-rgegood, point me to one :)
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18:22.51bart11ok ok, i'll shut up :) didn't mean no offence :d
18:23.14TrueDDSalut à tous
18:23.15geo-rgeyes, I've said that to others like this: "if you don't find out here, you can visit #thisOtherRoom"
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18:23.24TrueDDhi all
18:23.25geo-rgebart11: none taken
18:23.42bart11great :d
18:23.55geo-rgebut if you happen to know of a specific place...
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18:24.00chalhi
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18:25.00geo-rgeI'm already looking at the odbc docs from unixodbc.org and also microsoft's api docs (never thought I'd ever do that...)
18:25.04bart11nope sorry mate, just saw you talking bout odbc, so i thought about database channels like mysql but i don't know sh!t
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18:26.45sinehow can i connect to a site in lftp im reading hte man
18:27.01sinebut im having trouble connecting
18:27.11geo-rgebart11: np... since the backend is postgres, I'll check them out at some point
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18:27.15pickcodergryfie__: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7269
18:27.34geo-rgesine: what do you try?
18:27.35wols_sine: open
18:27.39chalfound this article but looking for an intel article cannot seem to find one at debian.org (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s04.html.en)
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18:27.51wols_sine: use "help open"
18:28.09pickcodergryfie__: scroll down to the sort example
18:28.14xen_mastageo-rge: yeah, ls -l /dev/ttyS[0123] shows those three ports existing.  How do I add two more to the mix?
18:28.18pickcoder"listing 1"
18:28.25xen_mastaer, four ports
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18:28.42geo-rgexen_masta: notice the numbers in the ls -l listing
18:29.11geo-rgenotice one of the numbers doesn't change, the other increments
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18:29.17xen_mastagot it.
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18:29.28geo-rgetry to use mknod to create a file like that
18:29.41xen_mastaokay.
18:29.47geo-rgeI don't remember the exact thing, you'll have to check the man page
18:29.58xen_mastaalready there :)
18:30.09geo-rgebut the deal is you want the unchanging number in the one place and the next two numbers in the other
18:30.11jetscreamerhow does 'wake on lan' work, are there some docs or a factoid or wiki somewhere? can i be at my house and tell some clients computer to turn on, if i set it up properly?
18:30.14geo-rgeexperiment
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18:30.25geo-rgemake one, see if it does the right thing
18:30.25gryfie__pickcoder, : Thx
18:30.41geo-rgeif not delete it (easy enough) and try again
18:31.30sineim connecting but its saying login is incorrect which is isnt
18:31.40sinei think the site requires ssl
18:31.51sinewouldnt lftp has ssl included in it
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18:32.10geo-rgeyou might have to tell lftp to use ssl somethow
18:32.35geo-rges/thow/how/
18:33.02bart11pickcoder thnx
18:33.05bart11i'm off now
18:33.08bart11ttyl guys
18:33.30jetscreamerdpkg wake on lan is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN et al
18:33.30dpkgokay, jetscreamer
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18:33.58geo-rgexen_masta: oh, and if your torture isn't bad enough you might have to figure out setserial
18:35.52sinehow do i get ssl
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18:37.10geo-rgesine: there might be a debian package called openssh
18:37.12geo-rgeerr
18:37.17geo-rgesine: there might be a debian package called openssl <--
18:37.23_gAri-hi there, does etch support linux kernel 2.4?
18:37.36valdyn_gAri-: no
18:38.21jetscreamerapt-cache search ssh | grep open ?
18:38.26jetscreamererr ssl? :)
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18:40.17troubleddondelelcaro: this look right?: cmd: foo (.*?) is <reply> bar $1?
18:40.27geo-rgehowcome everytime I use -any- application under x/kde, it crashes when I try to open any file select dialog?
18:40.52Gathondgeo-rge: a problem with your QT library perhaps
18:41.14Gathondall KDE applications probably uses the exact same QT function to make that dialog appear
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18:41.33jetscreamerhe doesn't have the ioslaves
18:41.44jetscreamertell me why i have to be an ioslave
18:41.44geo-rgethis is not just kde apps, it;s xchat too which is not kde specifically
18:41.51troubledanyone up on dpkg cmd: syntax comment on above?
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18:42.42geo-rgetroubled: oh, dpkg the bot... if you want basic help on dpkg the package installer, you can try dpkg --help
18:43.05troubledgeo-rge: no, just on the syntax of cmd:'s
18:43.16geo-rgedoing that here doesn't get much results...
18:43.20geo-rgedpkg --help
18:43.21dpkgDpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action
18:43.24troubledI must have them disabled, just curious how it looks
18:43.53jetscreameryou can use literal sometimes to see the format
18:43.59jetscreameri never got that down though
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18:44.25jetscreamer!literal sacrifice
18:44.26troubledi did, and I matched it, but its still not working right. even when I try dpkg in msg
18:44.33jetscreamer!tell Stinger_ -about root
18:44.45jetscreameryeah i remember the feeling
18:45.00jetscreameri got a supybot instead
18:45.02geo-rgeStinger_: if you're root, you also can't talk here
18:45.13geo-rgenot sure what the intent of that was...
18:45.21geo-rgeI would assume that t
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18:45.32whirmhi all!
18:45.33geo-rgethe root user is trying to get a user going
18:45.42jetscreamerthe factoid says i think
18:45.44troubledits supposed to be: !cmd: foo (.*?) is <reply> bar $1 or similar (possibly without the cmd:)
18:45.44jetscreamer!root
18:45.45dpkgIt has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
18:45.47toetlol retard question here how to untar a tar.gz? XD
18:45.51jetscreameroh
18:45.56jetscreamergues not
18:46.00troubledtoet: tar zxvf filename.tar.gz
18:46.02geo-rgetoet: first you ungz
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18:46.05geo-rgethen you untar
18:46.10toetthx
18:46.13troublednp
18:46.16jetscreameruse xfe and right click
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18:46.34jetscreamercreate tar.gz,bz,nz,xyz...
18:46.36wols_toet: what are you trying to untar. what file?
18:46.41jetscreamercabziprarwhatever
18:46.52jetscreamerwell maybe not cab
18:46.54jetscreamer:)
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18:47.16geo-rgecabaldabble
18:47.19toetmediawiki
18:47.20toetit worked
18:47.20toetthx
18:47.38toetjust forgot wich letters are used for it :)
18:47.40polishpaul_.
18:47.49geo-rgeman tar for that :)
18:48.04whirmis there any way to install nvidia-glx in debian sid with current xorg?
18:48.19sinethanks geo-rge
18:48.27toetman tar takes time, quick noobish question here is faster :p
18:48.48geo-rgetoet: not always :)
18:48.57toetalways worth a try :P :)
18:49.02geo-rgesometimes we will slow you the fuck down :)
18:49.09_gAri-what happens if I try to run etch with a handmade 2.4 kernel? will it hang?
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18:49.16toeti'll use different nicks on reconnects >;p
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18:49.27pickcoder_gAri-: why not install sarge?
18:49.30toetthere so many noobs, you wont notice the difference <3
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18:49.33pickcoderthe install CD is still available
18:49.34sinehow do i search for a directory
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18:49.48toetfind / <directoryname>
18:49.54graytronsine: find / dirname -type d
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18:50.20geo-rgetoet: in any case, you could try doing man tar now, and see what x, f, z mean
18:50.29geo-rgeif not... whatever :)
18:50.30toetah
18:50.31sinefind / xchat -teyp d
18:50.33toetballocks
18:50.38sinelike that bu spelt correctly
18:50.43toetPHP 5.0.0 or higher is required. ABORTING. // PHP 5.2.3-1+b1 (cli) (built: Jun 21 2007 20:58:46)
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18:51.19geo-rgetoet: looks like you'll have to reconnect now :)
18:51.42toetlol
18:51.46maddashhow the hell do I kill off all the packages installed by apt-get build-dep?
18:51.48sinegraytron,  arrrrrrr
18:51.58toetah common, my PHP to new then? x/
18:52.30sineok this is desperate i need a gui ftp client that has ssl
18:52.34graytronsine: ey captain, land ahead
18:52.39maddashgood god, this is pathetic
18:52.47graytronay
18:52.55Hoxzermaddash: you can checkout your logfiles and use that information to delete those files However you have to know exacly when did you run apt-get build-dep
18:52.57stingerso xorg is hard locking my machine on startup, anyone have any suggestions on what to look at?
18:53.03sinegraytron,  lol
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18:53.08geo-rgetoet: seriously... you can find out things yourself... this hack you're doing to save yourself the time of reading is not making your life any easier (while it might make this moment easier)
18:53.09maddashHoxzer: hence, "pathetic"
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18:53.16dkrwhat is the point of splitting 127.0.1.1 (with host.domain I entered during install) v 127.0.0.1 (localhost) in default hosts setup?
18:53.17wols_stinger: change to vesa for your x driver
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18:53.27stingeryeah locks on that too
18:53.42wols_maddash: you use aptitude
18:53.53maddashwols_: aptitude doesn't do that.
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18:54.06wols_it unstalls stuff you don't need anymore
18:54.13kserror: Failed dependencies:       /bin/bash is needed by ec2-ami-tools-1.2-7221.noarch
18:54.22kswhereis bash
18:54.22ksbash: /bin/bash /etc/bash.bashrc /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz
18:54.40kswhy rpm doesn't see bash and other programs /
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18:54.56maddashwols_: aptitude won't even feel the build-dep installed packages.
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18:55.06toetomfg wiki's are windows machines only?
18:55.08toetlame
18:55.11geo-rgeks: what's a rpm?
18:55.18wols_maddash: if you don't install them with aptitude: of course
18:55.36maddashwols_: build-dep, genius
18:55.41ksgeo-rge what do mean ? what it does ?
18:55.44maddashwols_: aptitude doesn't do build-dep
18:55.53osmosisanyone familair with systems setup with debootstrap...know if this could be caused by it?  http://dpaste.com/20198/
18:55.56wols_ks: cause rpm is not really supported in debian. at all
18:56.03geo-rgeks: rpm sounds like a redhat thing :)
18:56.24ksi see
18:56.26pickcodertoet: eh?
18:56.40maddashwols_: so basically, the "build-dep" command is an invitation to clutter one's system. hence, "pathetic"
18:57.10ksgeo-rge well the proggy that I need is available only as rpm
18:57.19pickcoderks: review alien
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18:57.28pickcoderthen proceed at your own risk
18:57.51graytronstinger: do you have gpm installed?
18:58.07ks"alien - install non-native packages with dpkg"
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18:58.21odinecan anyone help me out here.... trying to get debian installed on my hp dv9008nr laptop.... everything went good except problems with X (that i can handle on my own).. problem im having is the box is freezing randomly... and its not reporting anything to the log to help me??
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18:58.49stinger_bah disconnected :(
18:58.52graytronstinger: do you have gpm installed?
18:59.06geo-rgeodine: I would run a ram tester for about 24 hours
18:59.14odinein fact now i cannot even get it to boot.. keeps freezing at different msgs during bootup....
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18:59.34odinegeo-rge: could it still be a ram issue if the other partition runs vista fine... like ive had it recently running a week straight
18:59.34stinger_hmm no I do not
18:59.44anomicyou guys know of a good interface that would let me browse my xvid movies, and play them in mplayer?
18:59.48maddashrofl, "use aptitude"
19:00.00geo-rgealtho if there is a problem with your ram, a ram tester should find problems sooner rather than later
19:00.03graytronstinger_: and your gfx card?
19:00.15stinger_nv 8600gts
19:00.30graytronstinger_: do you have nvidia's proprietary drivers installed?
19:00.48stinger_I do, but it still hangs using vesa
19:01.01pickcoderodine: if you want boot help, we need to know what "messages" it's hanging up at
19:01.07geo-rgeodine: I'd say rule that possibility out before going much further... the package should be memtest86
19:01.26graytronstinger_: but is the nvidia kernel driver loaded when using vesa?
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19:01.38odinegeo-rge: my bios has built in mem test... its ok to just use that im assuming correct?
19:01.43ThomsenHi, does anyone know if it's possible to do a direct map with NFS and automount??
19:01.47valdynodine: no
19:01.56pickcoderodine: ignore the memory issues for the moment and focus on the boot scroll
19:02.00odinegeo-rge: well i cannot boot into debian to run a memtest....
19:02.05geo-rgethe good news is that if that doesn't find a problem, it means your cpu, ram and video are all basically ok
19:02.13odinethe boot scroll freezing at random parts not even the same area every time
19:02.23geo-rgeyou boot into memtest86 (it's like a kernel)
19:02.24pickcoderrandom parts like what?
19:02.34dondelelcarotroubled: yeah
19:02.36stinger_no, I modprobe it whenever I test it with Driver "nvidia"
19:02.37odinei considered something with the testing version and my laptop? figured trying stable????
19:02.54geo-rgemaybe you should :)
19:03.18dondelelcarotroubled: though ($1): bar $1 is probably what you really want
19:03.21troubleddondelelcaro: cant seem to get it to work. wondering how the syntax looks.
19:03.24geo-rgebut right now it's exhibiting symptoms that suggest hardware problems
19:03.34dondelelcarodpkg: literal cmd: -l (.*?)
19:03.34dpkg"cmd: -l (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> (ii  $1                 (1|2|3).(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)-(|1)(1|2|3|4|5)(|||.1|.2|.3)           ($nick's private (porn|gamp|stamp) collection|ultra s3kr1t #debian package)|No packages found matching $1)"
19:03.47odinegeo-rge: i hear ya... but no problems what-so-ever in vista.. now i know that doesnt really rule that out....
19:03.57troubleddondelelcaro: so: !factoid is ($1): <reply> foo $1?
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19:03.59geo-rgeexactly :)
19:04.01wols_odine: that doesn't mean shit
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19:04.06geo-rgeI don't know anything about vista
19:04.06wols_we are not in ##windows
19:04.16dondelelcarotroubled: cmd: factoid (.*?); but yeah.
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19:04.31graytronwols_ :(
19:04.47troubleddondelelcaro: hmm, tried that with no luck, unless its cause short addressing is disabled in my config somewhere
19:04.50digxhow can I list all the packages I've instealled (not including the ones debian came with?) thanks!
19:04.51graytronstinger_: i'm running out of ideas
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19:05.00dondelelcarotroubled: well, if it doesn't work, you may not have cmd factoids enabled
19:05.00odinewell ill run a memtest.... gonna try stable build first as it could be a quicker fix... thanks for the output guys ;-)
19:05.02stinger_heh doh :)
19:05.07geo-rgedoes late debian install media offer a ram checker option
19:05.12pickcoder*sigh*
19:05.14troubleddondelelcaro: thats what im thinking, one sec while I check
19:05.20pickcoderI expect odine will return
19:05.29lhadjiin 24 hours :D
19:05.31wols_digx: all the packages you installed (hopefully) came with debian...
19:05.35sinewhere do programs defajult install to like xchat
19:05.39graytronstinger_: except: are you absolutely sure nvidia kernel driver isn't loaded when the machine hard locks?
19:05.49stinger_I can try it now :)
19:05.52wols_sine: dpkg -L <packagename>
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19:05.57stinger_just to be doubly sure
19:06.07stinger_see you after the reboot
19:06.10sinei just want to know to copy some files i want to add to the program
19:06.29graytronstinger_: cu
19:06.36troubleddondelelcaro: dont see it in the blootbot.config. can you recall what the option was off hand?
19:06.39wols_sine: you need to buily your own package from source then. man apt-get (apt-get source)
19:06.42tdnI have a text file in a strange encoding. I want to convert it to UTF-8, but I do not know what encoding it is in now. It has been written in Windows. Do you have any ideas how to approach the problem? The file is available here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/tmp/bad-coding.tar.gz.
19:06.49geo-rgeok, first off... it's your machine,,, you can do anything you want... BUT
19:07.00wols_tdn: iconv
19:07.17geo-rgedebian packaging system likes to think it owns certain areas
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19:07.20geo-rgelike /usr
19:07.26tdnwols_, yes. I know how to use iconv, but not when I do not know which encoding the file is in now.
19:07.57geo-rgeall I'm saying... is if you put a file in a certain place, a coupla things might happen later:
19:08.02pickcodertdn: file?
19:08.05wols_graytron: it owns pretty much all of them on my disk
19:08.08troubleddondelelcaro: my log shows "troubled is short-addressing bot" only
19:08.12maddashsine: just keep in mind that you'd have to manually remove your build-dependencies, regardless of how you installed them.
19:08.19geo-rge1, you might install a debian package that overwrites the file you put there
19:08.26dondelelcarotroubled: yeah, it could be disabled then; try with the full nick
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19:08.31tdnpickcoder, file just says that it is a LaTeXe2 document.
19:08.45pickcoderand what is it really?
19:08.57geo-rge2, something else might interpret the existance of the file you put there in some unexpected way (rare but not unheard of)
19:09.05tdnpickcoder, it *is* a LaTeX file, I just don't know the encoding.
19:09.15dondelelcarotdn: if it's a latex file, it should be ascii only.
19:09.17pickcoderfile --mime ?
19:09.19wols_tdn: ran file(1) on it yet?
19:09.28tdndondelelcaro, no, it should not.
19:09.38dondelelcarotdn: latex doesn't deal with UTF8 natively
19:09.43dondelelcaro(or any other encodings)
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19:09.54tdnwols_, yes. As I said earlier, file just says that it is a LaTeX 2e file.
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19:10.03tdndondelelcaro, but it does.
19:10.04stinger_no dice :(
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19:10.17dondelelcarotdn: no, it does not; you have to use external modules to deal with them.
19:10.21troubleddondelelcaro: tried: factbot: cmd: foo (.*?) is <reply> test $1, but it saved the key to the db as just "cmd:"
19:10.31tdndondelelcaro, exactly. So then it does.
19:10.35dondelelcarotroubled: yeah, that sounds like the command interpolation is off.
19:10.45dondelelcarotdn: in such a case, the exact modules loaded will tell you what the encoding is.
19:10.48stinger_while I'm here, what do I have to edit to get a nameserver entry in resolv.conf to stay there?
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19:10.54tdnI have a hex dump of the file here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P959.html <- Do any of you recognize the encoding?
19:11.00tdndondelelcaro, nope.
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19:11.21troubleddondelelcaro: ok, must be one of my _default options. i disabled a few I wasnt sure about like zfi or something since they had no documentation
19:11.29Heart`Of`Steelhello everyone
19:11.42_gAri-pickcoder: I need newer mysql for example
19:11.50maddashgreat. now I have to rebuild apt-get in order to use apt-get.
19:11.57tdnwols_, file --mime says: text/plain; charset=utf-8, but it is *not* UTF-8.
19:12.12pickcoder_gAri-: so look at backports for it
19:12.14maddashgotta love this debian "packaging system"
19:12.20Heart`Of`Steeli have a problem with the fontconfig i think. I am trying to install msttcorefonts or ttf-* fonts, but the caching always failed, and the result is i have not tff fonts installed
19:12.21pickcoderwhy do you need a 2.4 kernel?
19:12.23Heart`Of`Steelhttp://pastebin.ca/705006
19:12.23troubleddondelelcaro: zfi and zsi possibly?
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19:12.29_gAri-pickcoder: I am much more comfortable making a personalized kernel, than compiling a new mysql :)
19:12.31tdnwols_, as you can see if you download and untar the file I linked to. It is some wierd encoding. Maybe file just guesses that it is UTF-8.
19:12.53pickcoder_gAri-: you don't need to compile if it's available as an etch backport for sarge
19:12.59_gAri-pickcoder: mostly because rsbac patch is much stabler on 2.4 than 2.6, and since 2.4 isnt developped any more, its much more secure
19:13.14dondelelcarotdn: that sure looks like whatever it was has been double encoded.
19:13.30pickcoder_gAri-: you are better off with a 2.4 kernel on Sarge
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19:13.34_gAri-pickcoder: is there some debian maintained backports repository, or only by third parties?
19:13.36tdndondelelcaro, how do I solve that?
19:13.40pickcoder!backports
19:13.40dpkgrumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
19:14.01tdndondelelcaro, the file for download and in the hexdump is only a snippet of the file. The entire file is much bigger.
19:14.04dondelelcarotdn: run it through iconv until it makes some sense
19:14.12_gAri-thank you
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19:14.29dondelelcarosomething like iconv -t iso8859-1 -f utf-8; or similar
19:14.41xingucool, that's the legacy ide/ all done for at last.
19:14.45tdndondelelcaro, I have been running iconv on the file like crazy. I have been running it several times, and with different kinds of "from" encodings.
19:15.22tdndondelelcaro, I would like to transform it INTO UTF-8. Because I use UTF-8 for everything. It's just that this file is not UTF-8. I would like it to be.
19:16.33stiv2kwhy is it even though i set the computer to sleep after being inactive for 3 minutes, it hibernates instead?
19:17.15dondelelcarotdn: echo 'København'|iconv -t utf8|hexdump -C; is what you can do to figure it out.
19:17.41dondelelcaro(assuming whoever it is knows how to spell København correctly)
19:18.28tdndondelelcaro, smart. Thanks!
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19:18.56graytronstinger: too bad :(
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19:19.11tdndondelelcaro, that gives: 00000000  4b c3 b8 62 65 6e 68 61  76 6e 0a                 |K..benhavn.|
19:19.28dondelelcaroright, which isn't correct; the point is that you can play with it.
19:19.29dkrdondelelcaro: that's cool, wasn't aware of hexdump.  I was using od -x to do that
19:19.34tdndondelelcaro, but I'm still not quite sure how to use this to get any closer to get a readable file?
19:19.43tdndondelelcaro, why is that not correcT?
19:20.17dondelelcaro4b ef bf bd<-- needs to match this.
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19:20.25dazjorzHi
19:20.32dazjorzWhy do I *need* exim4 to be installed to install mutt?
19:20.33stingeryeah heh I looked at upgrading xorg-server to sids version
19:20.33dondelelcaro(and whoever wrote that resume should have been using K\/obenhavn anyway
19:20.40tdndondelelcaro, oh. Yes. Of course. But I already knew that my current encoding is not the same as in the file.
19:20.42stingerseems to want to upgrade the entire system heh
19:20.50tdndondelelcaro, OH! I think I know what you mean.
19:20.54geo-rgedazjorz: you need any mta because debian
19:20.57stiv2koh snap
19:20.58geo-rgesends mail
19:20.59stiv2kgnome 2.20 out
19:21.16dondelelcarodazjorz: how else do you plan on getting mail off of your machine?
19:21.32dazjorzI have qmail installed
19:21.33dondelelcarodazjorz: you don't *need* exim4, but you do need some MTA.
19:21.38fastputtyhow do i kil all program with ipsec  in it?
19:21.39dondelelcaro!qmail
19:21.39dpkgqmail is, like, a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida
19:21.50dondelelcaro!qmail-src
19:22.00dazjorzYeah I have qmail installed already, from source
19:22.11tdndondelelcaro, so I just need to go through all encodings until I get a "København" that matches the one in the file?
19:22.15dondelelcarotdn: yeah
19:22.26dondelelcarotdn: and hope that whoever wrote it hasn't come up with some invalid encoding
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19:22.27stiv2khas gnome 2.20 hit sid yet?
19:22.34dondelelcarodazjorz: so use the qmail-src package to build a qmail binary or use equivs to provide mail-transport-agent.
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19:22.36dazjorzDo you, for any reason, prefer exim4 above qmail for a semi-professional mail server?
19:22.37geo-rgeask the kde maint
19:22.47tdndondelelcaro, ok. Thanks.
19:22.48stingercan you obtain .deb files for smaller version increments somewhere? other than just etch/sid/etc
19:22.58streunerstiv2k: /msg dpkg info gnome-session
19:23.02fastputtyhow do i kil all program with ipsec  in it?
19:23.06stiv2kstreuner: thanks
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19:23.13dondelelcarodazjorz: the first reason is that it's not djb-ware; it's far more configurable too. (That said, most people here would probably recommend postfix first)
19:23.32henr1Hello everybody, I'm under sid and when I try to update apt want to remove nvidia-glx, is it normal ?
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19:23.39stiv2kstreuner: looks like its still 2.18... when they gonna put 2.20 in?
19:23.44dondelelcaroexim is the default in Debian because at the time defaults were being decided, it was the one that had the best debconf configuration
19:23.49streunerstiv2k: wir
19:23.51zinxstiv2k: when the maintainers get around to it
19:24.01streunerhenr1: /msg dpkg sid faq
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19:24.07stiv2kstreuner: wir?
19:24.10stiv2kok
19:24.17lapinferocehello
19:24.24streuner!wir
19:24.25dpkgwir is, like, When It's Ready.  See also RSN and SIYH
19:24.36dondelelcarostiv2k: if you're interested in gnome, you can join the gnome team and help out
19:24.56streunerhm, that would be interesting
19:24.58stiv2kdondelelcaro: sure i'd like to but i dont exactly have any developing experience
19:25.08dondelelcarostiv2k: you don't need it, actually.
19:25.16dondelelcarostiv2k: there are lots of things that can be done without being a developer
19:25.19stiv2kdondelelcaro: yeah? tell me more
19:25.29tdnWhere do I get a list of all the encodings?
19:25.36dondelelcarotdn: iconv -l
19:26.19dondelelcarostiv2k: like replicating existing bugs, helping to provide smaller testcases where possible, working on documentation, helping to free up developer time for packaging new versions of gnome, testing development versions of the 2.20 packages, etc.
19:26.27stingeroh well bedtime I think
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19:26.33stingerhave to sort it out another day
19:26.40stingerthanks anyway
19:26.48dazjorzdondelelcaro: Postfix did not really work for me
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19:26.57stiv2kdondelelcaro: that would be cool i guess
19:26.58dazjorzdondelelcaro: I've had problems with it, I used it in combination with courier
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19:28.01dazjorzdondelelcaro: I'm prepared to use any mail daemon that understands authentication, and I'd like IPv6 too - next to that, I'd just choose the one with most features, which was the last time I checked, qmail
19:28.05tdndondelelcaro, thanks.
19:28.10dazjorzdondelelcaro: You recommend exim, I  understand?
19:28.15dondelelcarough. unless you need features of courier, you'll have much better luck with dovecot
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19:28.27dondelelcarodazjorz: it depends on the user, really.
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19:29.12dondelelcaro(and at this stage of the game, sendmail, postfix, and exim have way more features than qmail does)
19:29.13dazjorzdondelelcaro: dovecot? /me checks
19:29.18dazjorzokay
19:29.27kyevanHow do I make the nice launch-from-windows installer to actually reinstall grub?
19:29.33dondelelcarotdn: np
19:29.35kyevanUsing the recovery options doesn't work >_>
19:29.36dazjorzdovecot is IMAP only?
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19:29.39dondelelcarodazjorz: no.
19:29.41dkrdazjorz: no
19:29.51dazjorzOh that's what it says in the website header
19:29.55dkrdoh, can't beat dondelelcaro to the punch. :)
19:29.56dazjorzbut I see POP3 mentioned too
19:30.12geo-rgewhat are the options for secure/encrypted imap?
19:30.23dondelelcaroit does both, but imap is (for obvious reasons) prefered
19:30.35stiv2kthe sid FAQ makes sid seem a lot more shaky than it is
19:30.40dazjorzdondelelcaro: These reasons are not obvious to me, it seems
19:30.45stiv2ki mean i've only been using it for a few months now
19:30.52dondelelcarogeo-rge: dovecot, cyrus, courier et al.
19:31.02stiv2kbut after every dist-upgrade i've done so far, only minor things have broken i haven't seen anything catastrophic
19:31.09geo-rgestiv2k: you mean than it is now? :) than it was yesterday?
19:31.35geo-rgewell that's a good thing. the goal is to release something stable, so the
19:31.36dondelelcarostiv2k: the point is that catastrophic things can happen
19:31.38kyevandist-upgrade only ever fixes stuff for me, not breaks :P
19:31.47stiv2kheh
19:31.49stiv2ki know
19:31.53geo-rgedevs work toward that.
19:32.01stiv2kthat's cool i guess
19:32.05dondelelcarostiv2k: they're not the rule, but if that's a serious problem you need to be aware of it
19:32.19geo-rgebut the thing is the sid is allowed to break horribly
19:32.23dazjorzdondelelcaro: What SMTP server do you recommend?
19:32.28stiv2kperhaps it shows linux is making a step closer to completion, or buglessness
19:32.32dondelelcarodazjorz: dovecot or exim.
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19:32.36dazjorzEh
19:32.37dondelelcaros/dovecot/postfix/
19:32.39dazjorzDovecot does SMTP too?
19:32.40geo-rgethe fact it doesn't too often is "whew! got past that one!"
19:32.41dazjorzOh right
19:32.52stiv2kgeo-rge: yeah hahaha i feel the same way every time i upgrade
19:33.10stiv2kgeo-rge: last night i had to upgrade like 96 packages and i was almost sure something was going to break
19:33.10dazjorzdondelelcaro: It seems like exim is an all-in package, containing SMTP, IMAP and POP... does it have any negative sides, too?
19:33.13geo-rgeyes, I do too, and I stick to stable more often than not
19:34.12geo-rgewhat annoys me the most after an upgrade is trying to figure out what among thousands of packages is goign to change and I have to deal with it in some way
19:34.15dondelelcarodazjorz: it doesn't do imap nor pop
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19:34.56dondelelcaro(which is good, because being a good MTA and being a good IMAP/POP server tend to be separate things)
19:35.19dazjorzdondelelcaro: So exim + Dovecot is a good combination?
19:35.49dondelelcaroyes
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19:35.57dondelelcaro(as is postfix+exim)
19:36.00dondelelcaros/exim/dovecot/
19:36.04geo-rgeI'm doing qmail (built from the debian patched source into a debian package) and cyrus imap
19:36.04maddashwhoever wrote apt-build should be shot against the wall
19:36.16drwahli just did a fresh install of debian lenny, then upgraded to Sid. i am trying to run the NVIDIA driver installer form nVidia's website, but i am getting an error: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'
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19:37.38dondelelcaromaddash: it was originally an april fools joke that scrolled logs from buildd.debian.org at varying speeds
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19:38.19maddashdondelelcaro: this thing has frustrated me to no end -- and the author has seemingly abandoned it
19:38.41dondelelcaroheh
19:38.51maddashapt-get source apt-build -- how fucking ironic is that?
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19:39.01dondelelcarogood luck getting qmail off your system
19:39.08dazjorzthank you :P
19:39.17plbdoes anyone have some suggestions for a iTunes alternative?
19:39.19dazjorzI think I'll check life-with-qmail since  that was my guide for installing it
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19:39.37maddashdpkg -SSSS po4a
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19:39.41maddashfuck
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19:39.58Heavy-Dplb: You mean for playing music and organizing lists and sucH?
19:39.58Nazcafanhi
19:40.18drwahldoes the free nVidia driver support 3D acceleration?
19:40.22plbHeavy-D: mainly for organizing an iPod
19:40.24geo-rgedpkg -i maddash
19:40.28Nazcafanin which group do I need to be in order to have access to dvd devices through vlc ?
19:40.33Nazcafandrwahl: no
19:40.40NazcafanI have an issue
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19:40.52geo-rgeif I had an is-sue...
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19:41.02geo-rgeI'd issue in the morning...
19:41.02maddashgeo-rge: can I cry on your shoulder? this fucking package is driving me crazy
19:41.04Heavy-Dplb: I've heard good things about Rhythmbox for that, but i'm not entirely certain as i've never done it.
19:41.25Nazcafanvlc has access to only one of my two dvd devices, however, I can mount both through gnomemount
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19:42.24Nazcafanwait no,
19:42.27NazcafanI am just stupid
19:42.43kyevanHow do I make the nice launch-from-windows installer to actually reinstall grub?
19:42.45NazcafanI was confusing hdc and hdd
19:43.01kyevanUsing the recovery options doesn't work >_>
19:43.01maddashwtf?? wtf?! omfg apt-build is closed source
19:43.18drwahlNazcafan: according to the guys in #nvidia, the free driver does support 3D accel. am i missing something?
19:43.31geo-rgeso it's in non-free?
19:43.35geo-rgewho wrote it?
19:43.49Nazcafandrwahl: maybe in experimental branch, but as far as I know, nv has 2D only support
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19:44.03maddashsome dickwad named `aptitude show apt-build|grep Maintain`
19:44.29Nazcafandrwahl: the free project for nvidia cards is called nouveau, you should browse their site
19:44.39maddashthe freakin' source file only contains the apt-build binary, and the source is only for aptbuild-wrapper
19:44.41drwahlah, will do, thanks
19:44.41markybobapt-build is not closed source.  and the "Maintainer" field is just that...the maintainer of the package, not the author of the software
19:44.55maddashhe's the guy who wrote it
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19:45.36maddashbrb, I'm gonna cut myself to bleed out the anger
19:45.37faemirIf I installed sun java. would it automatically the java that is already on there, presumeably a free version, if not, what is the name of the package of the free one for me to remove?
19:45.40drwahli just did a fresh install of debian lenny, then upgraded to Sid. i am trying to run the NVIDIA driver installer form nVidia's website, but i am getting an error: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'. is there any way around this issue?
19:45.53geo-rgethat's an awfully strange name for a maintainer...
19:45.56maddashmarkybob: just grab the source package and see for yourself
19:46.26harkfaemir: update-java-alternatives
19:46.26markybobmaddash my god, man, it's written in perl.  it's not a binary.  cat apt-build in the source
19:46.51schmittican someone say me, how i can put the mail from postfix into cyrus? what have i write to mailbox_command and mailbox_transport?
19:46.52maddashcat bull
19:47.00maddashfreakin' mouse
19:47.01faemirhark, is that the free version package name?
19:47.04geo-rgemonkey moose
19:47.22harkfaemir: no, rtfm
19:47.30maddashmarkybob: good. my next question is how to replace the freakin' package in the repo
19:47.54maddashmarkybob: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg250085.html <--- freakin' ridiculous
19:48.03dkrfaemir: he means, type:  man update-java-alternatives
19:48.13dkrbecause it is a command, not a package
19:48.15faemirI just realised =]
19:48.44maddashomfg , this makes my life so much easier
19:48.49geo-rge!info apt-build
19:48.50dpkgapt-build: (frontend to apt to build, optimize and install packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.12.28 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 184 kB
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19:48.56maddash*orgasm*
19:48.56faemirand hark, awesome, thanks.
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19:49.13kswhat do I read on writing a startup script for program under debian ?
19:49.25maddash!apt-build
19:49.26dpkgfrom memory, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
19:49.27geo-rgefirst man init
19:49.34ksi've used chkconfig under fc
19:49.36geo-rgethen ls /etc/init.d
19:49.37dkrks: /etc/init.d/README
19:49.49geo-rgethen cat /etc/init.d/skeleton
19:49.55geo-rgeand that too
19:50.10geo-rgechkconfig => update-rc.d
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19:50.16harkmaddash: so what does that link have to do with the non-free stuff you just threw about now?
19:50.30hark!red hat tools
19:50.31dpkgIf you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info
19:50.57kshark thanks
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19:51.05ksthat's what i need
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19:52.26TrueDDre
19:53.00maddashhark: that bug pretty much erradicates the usefulness from apt-build. and it's never been fixed, so I apt-getted the source. and ls only showed that apt-build was executable, which I assumed was a binary. but thanks to markybob, it's actually perl, so now I can fix up apt-build for the rest of you.
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19:53.21buliowhere are the C header files for debian?
19:53.29geo-rgein packages
19:53.33Aim_Here/usr/include/ mostly
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19:53.41Aim_HereOr still back at the repository
19:53.55sineok i need to get sonypi on my system for this laptop and use of the fn key and acpi fan options
19:54.01geo-rgewhich c headers btw?
19:54.37buliokernel
19:55.04buliorunning kernel headers
19:55.05geo-rgebtw to get the -basic- stuff... try this: apt-get install build-essential
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19:55.30maddashapt-get and aptitude still suck when it comes to build-dep, but now that I fixed apt-build, I can use it with aptitude, and my debian system can finally automatically purge  build-deps
19:55.40buliogeo-rge: I have build-essential
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19:55.56wols_bulio: linux-headers
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19:56.20geo-rgethe headers of the running kernel probably aren't what you want (exceptions of course)... usually if you're building stuff you want the headers that libc was built agains
19:56.21geo-rget
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19:56.29maddashanyone want the patch?
19:56.46wols_bugs.debian.org does
19:57.29geo-rgeor maybe the guy named apt-build@packages.debian.org does
19:57.47geo-rgeor... both :)
19:58.02maddashwols_: isn't bdo for reporting bugs? how do I fix a bug on bdo?
19:58.24abrotmanmaddash: there's a bug for bugs.debian.org
19:58.26geo-rgeyou said something about a patch...
19:58.31wols_you report it and include a patch that fixes the bug. those are the best bugs
19:58.40maddashah, ok.
19:58.44abrotmanbugs.debian.org/bugs.debian.org
19:59.38geo-rgebest bugs barely bashed.
19:59.52sinehttp://pastebin.com/m3355afd0 can someone tell me why this is erroring on boot
19:59.54maddasham I allowed to submit bugs if I'm on lenny?
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20:00.06geo-rgewhy not?
20:00.25geo-rgeif youre ever unsure, try the address I mentioned
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20:01.12sinehow do i searc for a file in linux
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20:01.21sinefind filename
20:01.24abrotmansine: find or locate
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20:02.06geo-rgefind dir1 dir2maybe dir3maybe expression
20:02.09maddashsine: are you a gui guy? searchmonkey is even cooler
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20:02.42sineim a newb ive only had debian for 2 days
20:02.48maddashsine: `aptitude install searchmonkey`, then
20:02.58maddashand man find; man regex
20:03.04sinei was gonna install gentoo untill the last second when someone persueded me to isntall debian
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20:03.24geo-rgebtw you still have the choice to do that
20:03.34geo-rgeand always will :)
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20:03.50defrysksine, gonna install gentoo and a newb ?
20:03.56defryskjou must be joking
20:04.03defryskand = as
20:04.04sinewell i installed it before ages ago stage1 on a spare harddrive
20:04.11sineive not a complete linux noob
20:04.15defryskok
20:04.28sinei had gentoo on my xbox and isntalled glftpd psybnc and various other things
20:04.36sinesetting up xinet.d
20:04.53sinejust basic shit but it was ages ago ive never actually had it as my main os till now
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20:05.03sinei will learn it tho i really have wanted to for ages
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20:05.52defryskme gave up on gentoo a few yrs ago
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20:06.06geo-rgenever tried it myself
20:06.22daliasthe gentoo model is broken imo
20:06.32defryskgeo-rge, its fun while it lasts
20:06.34maddashyeah, apt-build pretty much kills off gentoo
20:06.34daliasif you want to be getting latest shit all the time you should use a binary dist
20:06.42petemcdaniel robbins seems like a smart chap to me
20:06.43defrysktill you get fed up with compiling
20:06.50daliasbuilding from source is for simple systems that you won't need to update frequently/ever
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20:07.03maddashdalias: are you kidding?
20:07.04drmitchanyone know if it's possible to get flash in links?
20:07.09daliasmaddash, not at all
20:07.16maddashdalias: where are you pulling this from? ever heard of the gentoo motto?
20:07.23sineit was great for my xbox
20:07.25petemcdalias: where would one get these latest binaries?
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20:07.34defryskno time to gentoo
20:07.42daliasthousands of people recompiling every week is a huge waste of energy
20:07.50sineguys how can i install sonypi modules on my computer there not loaded i dont think i cant find them
20:07.53geo-rgethere is that
20:07.55daliaspetemc, ftp.debian.org
20:07.57sinehttp://pastebin.com/m3355afd0
20:08.07maddashdalias: so 'make', don't 'make clean'
20:08.32geo-rgethats still compiling :)
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20:08.32daliasmaddash, does not help. normally config.h will change and then everything needs rebuilding
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20:09.06geo-rgethat part is ridiculous tho
20:09.13daliasif there are a small number of projects you track closely and want to use devel versions of them, then manually build those and install in /usr/local
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20:09.51geo-rgeor if you plain do not want them under package control
20:10.08Greek-BoyW: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
20:10.09Greek-BoyW: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
20:10.09Greek-BoyE: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
20:10.09Greek-BoyE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
20:10.09*** kick/#debian [Greek-Boy!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)
20:10.12daliasgeo-rge, you can hold back packages..
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20:10.27Greek-Boyhowcome this happens
20:10.29Greek-Boyapt-get wont work
20:10.32defrysksine, by the way : http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
20:10.36geo-rgemaybe that's not what I want to do :)
20:10.46daliasgreek-boy, looks like your fs is mounted read-only
20:11.36geo-rgeor you are in as a user that doesn't have permission
20:11.38sineive been using apt-get is thats what it is
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20:11.48daliasyeah maybe running as non-root..
20:11.50yolkaplexushi there
20:11.55yolkaplexusdoes udev replace hotplug ?
20:11.58geo-rgewhere?!
20:11.59yolkaplexuson testing
20:12.13Greek-Boywhats the command again to check filesystem
20:12.13wols_yolkaplexus: it replaces hotplug and discover in stable
20:12.14geo-rgeoh, I dunno, but I think it is being used
20:12.23wols_geo-rge: fsck
20:12.30wols_Greek-Boy: ^^
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20:12.33Greek-Boylol
20:12.36sinecan i apt-get vmware
20:12.40wols_!vmware
20:12.41dpkgVMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware
20:12.44Roninsine: have you tried?
20:12.51sineyes
20:13.19sinecan i non-free it
20:13.21yolkaplexuswols_:  does this has to do with udev ?
20:13.31Roninsine: did you readk what dpkg just said?
20:13.31Greek-Boyand what is the command to list drives?
20:13.51defryskmount you mean ?
20:13.59sineyea sure
20:14.03geo-rgethere isn't one, unix/linux doesn't work that way
20:14.20geo-rgewell you can look at dmesg
20:14.33geo-rgebut drives isn't the only thing it mentions
20:14.42Greek-Boywhen i type mouni get this /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
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20:16.00defryskwhen I get mount and paste it inhere I get kicked
20:16.00geo-rgethat will only list those drives that are actually mounted
20:16.00geo-rgeso... don't paste it inhere!
20:16.00maddashhm, so I sent my patch to  392844@bugs.debian.org -- is that appropriate?
20:16.00Greek-Boyand how do i check remaining space on a device?
20:16.03geo-rgetry rafb.net/paste
20:16.05defryskdf -h
20:16.22Greek-Boydx24ide-20070709-108:~# df -h
20:16.30Greek-Boy-bash: /bin/df: Input/output error
20:16.38defrysk?
20:16.43maddashouch...
20:16.50Greek-Boyso how do i make my fs non read only
20:16.50defryskprobs....
20:17.08harkmaddash: yes
20:17.11geo-rgemaybe it would help to know how it got that way
20:17.21defryskindeed :D
20:17.25GreyKnightwow, I thought I had problems, at least my df works :-)
20:17.37maddashhark: great, now for the long wait...
20:17.38Heavy-Drofl
20:17.40Greek-Boydx24ide-20070709-108:~# touch /forcefsck ; reboot
20:17.48Greek-Boytouch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': Read-only file system
20:17.55petemcmount -o remount,rw /
20:17.59Greek-Boy-bash: /sbin/reboot: Input/output erro
20:18.01defryskare you on a live cd ?
20:18.05defrysk:/
20:18.06petemctheres probably a reason it went read only
20:18.11sinewhat is that vi alternative
20:18.11Greek-Boynope
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20:18.17geo-rgeare you on debian?
20:18.24Greek-Boyits a server sitting at at as hosting service
20:18.27GreyKnightsine: emacs? ;-)
20:18.30sineno another one
20:18.34sineused it the other day
20:18.43sineeverything someone tells me im writing it down
20:18.46maddashsine: scite. leafpad. fte.
20:18.54sinenope none of them
20:18.55harkmaddash: hey, you fixed it, no need to wait :) but maybe you'll be in the changelog
20:18.56petemccheck your shell history
20:18.59Greek-Boy<PROTECTED>
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20:19.01sineit had the option at the bottom
20:19.05petemcnano ?
20:19.07Greek-Boydx24ide-20070709-108:~# mount -o remount,rw /
20:19.08sineyes
20:19.08Greek-Boymount: block device /dev/hda3 is write-protected, mounting read-only
20:19.09sinethanks
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20:20.01maddashhark: it seems unlikely that my patch would even be read. look at the date on the bug report: 2006. that means that this bug has continued to exist during the etch-> lenny transition.
20:20.09maddashs/hash//
20:20.14maddashs/hash//
20:20.19maddashs/has//
20:20.22geo-rgewhat is /dev/hda3?
20:20.34geo-rgewhat is /dev/hda?
20:20.35GreyKnightthere's probably some reference site somewhere for common apache problems, right?  Only I seem to have hosed mine somehow while setting it up... :-/
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20:20.43defryskmaster disc partition3
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20:21.08maddashwhat's with the disconnects? geez.
20:21.10defryskide to be precise
20:21.15geo-rgemore specifically
20:21.19flyinprogramergeo-rge, don't mount /dev/hda3, it could have a virus
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20:21.28flyinprogramer:P
20:21.30Heavy-Drofl
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20:21.40flyinprogrameryou're whole computer could selfdistruct
20:21.47defryskclamscan the thing
20:21.55flyinprogramermost def
20:22.13flyinprogramerwe wouldn't want you to go through living in a mushroom cloud
20:22.33flyinprogramerno, but seriously
20:22.41geo-rgeflyinprogramer: I run debian, I'm a fairly experienced admin, I don't get viruses :)
20:22.55defryski used to collect them
20:23.04flyinprogramer"fairly experienced admin"  "what is /dev/hda3"
20:23.11defrysklol
20:23.12flyinprogramerdoes anyone see the failing logic ?
20:23.15defryskhence fairly
20:23.21flyinprogrameroooh
20:23.24flyinprogramerall makes sense now
20:23.25lapinferoceARF
20:23.30flyinprogrameri hate being an ass... butttt
20:23.43flyinprogramerok, so i don't
20:23.49Heavy-DI wonder how long it would take to infect a Debian machine going out onto the net and randomly downloading things and visiting nasty sites.
20:23.50geo-rgeyou love the attention that you get
20:23.54GreyKnightIs apt-get remove supposed to leave various configuration files of the "removed" package lying around behind it? I for one am not an experienced debianner :-)
20:24.21dkrGreyKnight: yes, use purge instead of remove if you want to get rid of conf files also
20:24.27flyinprogrameror really
20:24.29defryskapt-get remove --purge should solve that
20:24.39flyinprogramer*oh
20:24.41geo-rgeso the first thing you say after 10 mins is a tirade about something you didn't read enough
20:24.43maddashHeavy-D: FOREVER, as long as the fool wasn't root
20:24.46flyinprogramerhey, i just learned something new
20:24.56maddashHeavy-D: and he isn't inside sudoers
20:24.59dkrflyinprogramer: how to spell programmer?
20:25.04Heavy-Dmaddash: How long as root then? and was in sudoers group?
20:25.09Heavy-Dand/or
20:25.14maddashGreyKnight: --purge, dude. or aptitude purge [blah]
20:25.25flyinprogramerdkr, with two m's, i can't spell, hence the misspelling on purpose
20:25.39GreyKnightokay, I'll try purgin' then.  (I did an "apt-get install apache" and then read a bit more on the subject and decided to do apache2; now neither of them works :-/)
20:25.40maddashmispelling?
20:25.44geo-rgeflyinprogramer: so you're being stupid on purpose?
20:25.51flyinprogramergeo-rge
20:25.52maddashoh dear.
20:26.16Heavy-DAnybody here run Zimbra on Deb?
20:26.30defryskbetter being stupid on purpose then being stupid for real I guess
20:26.32flyinprogramergeo-rge, to answer you're question about /dev/hda3, its your primary harddrive's thrid partition, its carrying all of your system's information... basically
20:26.54dkrI'm a programer^Wprogramma^W^W^WI write code
20:26.55flyinprogramergeo-rge, hda1 - bootstrap stuff, hda2 is a swap, and hda3 is your system
20:27.05flyinprogramerdkr, i have that t-shirt
20:27.19geo-rgeit seems that you bagan this thing based on something I asked which you took out of context
20:27.36flyinprogrameroh
20:27.43geo-rgeapparantly again, on purpose
20:27.45flyinprogramerwell not really
20:28.06geo-rgewhy don't you end this by looking at what happened before that
20:28.12geo-rgequestion was asked
20:28.36dkr"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day."
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20:29.24flyinprogrameror "what is /dev/hda3?"
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20:29.48geo-rgeI saw you join
20:29.51flyinprogramerand i just gave you the answer
20:30.04maddashjust freakin' great. another bug: "aptitude: unrecognized option `--print-uris'" -- how do I search through the message content of bug reports?
20:30.16GreyKnighthmm, still nothing, this is getting annoying.  Why would "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" just be silently doing nothing (exit code 0), for that matter?
20:30.22flyinprogramerhda - primary hard drive, hda1 - bootstrapping stuff, hda2 - swap, hda3 - primary data partition
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20:30.26geo-rgeno, you gave an out of context answer which was inappropriate for the situation
20:30.32flyinprogramerfine
20:30.35geo-rgemaybe that's your setup
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20:30.51flyinprogramerwhy are you trying to mount hda3 anyways, it mounts by itself
20:31.15wfq_hi
20:31.15odinewhats the apt package to install X nowadays?
20:31.20flyinprogramerif i read correctly that's what you were trying to do right ?
20:31.23wols_xorg
20:31.23geo-rgeif you looked back before that question was asked, wouldn't you already know the answer to that? :)
20:31.29wfq_Could a proxy work for some ip's?
20:31.45wfq_coming from a particular country?
20:31.51defrysk;p
20:31.52flyinprogrameridk
20:31.54flyinprogrameri quit
20:31.57flyinprogrameri'm done being as ass
20:32.00flyinprogramer*an
20:32.01GreyKnightinternet fite 8-)
20:32.04geo-rgenono, ok, so I have to read to you... ok, someone was having a problem because HIS /dev/hda3 was mounted ro
20:32.17odinexserver-org or something i thought
20:32.29flyinprogramergeo-rge, that would complicate things a lot
20:32.52flyinprogramergeo-rge, he should check his ftab or fstab, whatever it is
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20:32.59geo-rgeyes, and we don't know yet why it's that way
20:33.19geo-rgewe're assuming it's some kind of glitch... if it were always that way, he couldn
20:33.25geo-rget have installed
20:33.28flyinprogramerthis is true
20:33.31geo-rgeor installed packages
20:33.32flyinprogrameroh, bummer
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20:33.56flyinprogramerhe can't edit the fstab file though... if the partition is mounted wrong
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20:34.32defryskflyinprogramer, he can read it tho to check if its correct or not
20:34.39geo-rgeor if it went to ro for some other reason (which is what I suspect, it is claiming the partition is -marked- read only somehow
20:34.40flyinprogramerthat's true
20:35.33flyinprogramergeo-rge, if it is wrong, he can always use like a gentoo boot disk to chroot into his harddrive and edit the files
20:35.45geo-rge(but this should all be in your scrollback... but I digress)
20:35.56flyinprogrameroh
20:36.03flyinprogramerwell sorry for butting my head into your problem
20:36.09flyinprogrameri was an ass, i admit it
20:36.09geo-rgethat's probably what he's going to have to do
20:36.15beardygentoo? wht?
20:36.21beardyWTF
20:36.43flyinprogramerbeardy...what's the problem with the gentoo disk ?? its a create command line boot iso ?
20:36.51flyinprogramer*great
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20:37.10geo-rgewell as is a grub floppy
20:37.22geo-rgebut that doesn't function as a rescue disk
20:37.37defryskany live d would do i guess
20:37.40defryskcd*
20:37.43petemcthe debian install cd works
20:37.45drwahli have just installed lenny-amd64. is there a way to pass arguments to apt-get to install 32 bit packages? more specifically, i am hoping to get skype from apt
20:38.00valdyndrwahl: skype is in no repo
20:38.14drwahlvaldyn: it is in a repo that skype setup
20:38.17geo-rgeit would be really nice if the debian install cd could do rescues again (like it was in boot-floppies)
20:38.20flyinprogramerpetemc how do you get a debian disk to boot into command line ??
20:38.26drwahlbut when i try to download it rihgt now, it says that my arch is not supported
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20:38.31petemcgeo-rge: it can
20:38.41geo-rgeflyinprogramer: the shell is on vc2
20:38.51valdyndrwahl: you cant install 386 packages into that amd64 system, though theres 32-bit amd64 packages. Confusing  libc6-i386 is an example
20:39.01abrotman!Nodm
20:39.01dpkgDebian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s)  with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored..  NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
20:39.22valdyndrwahl: i see, dont use that repo if its debian/386
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20:39.45valdyndrwahl: use that statically compiled tar.gz
20:40.10drwahlvaldyn: i have found work around (download the "satic" release and run it with: linux32 ./skype) but i was wondering if there were any other ways
20:40.24valdyndrwahl: you dont need to use linux32
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20:40.42flyinprogramerwhy does my hard drive make a high pitched screetching noise ?
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20:41.27dkrirritation
20:41.30drwahlvaldyn: then i am confused...
20:42.12valdyndrwahl: you are just imagining that linux32 does anything that matters to skype
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20:43.10drwahlvaldyn: no. from what i understand, linux32 allows 32bit packages to play "nicer" in the 64bit world.  i.e. you can run 32bit apps
20:43.11maddashwhoa, pdm
20:43.19valdyndrwahl: that's nonsense
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20:43.51valdyndrwahl: run 'linux32 arch' and compare the output to just 'arch', thats all linux32 does
20:43.57valdyndrwahl: it patches some string
20:44.02GreyKnightguys, I hate to sound needy, but much googling and log-grepping has turned up nothing at all here :-(  why does apache hate me so?
20:44.33maddashbrb, boys and girls
20:44.34GreyKnightI'm not enjoying this foray into debian so far :-(
20:44.44valdyndrwahl: that's still useful, but not for skype
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20:45.02drwahlvaldyn: ah, ok
20:45.58GreyKnight(2.6.18-4-xen-amd64  Apache/2.2.3)
20:47.04fastputtyGuys a simple question for network admin here, what for you is the best for VPN. SSL or Ipsec?
20:47.51valdynfastputty: no clue about vpn, but ssl is an encryption spec, ipsec a vpn spec, you are comparing apples to oranges
20:47.59geo-rgeflyinprogramer: maybe it's dying. back it up NOW and replace it
20:48.46geo-rge!best
20:48.46dpkgBest for what? Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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20:49.24puck_GreyKnight: Try http://www.debian-administration.org/?search=Apache+2.2&go=Go
20:49.29fastputtyvaldyn: not really about apple of orange when it use to talk openvpn against openswan, which both are vpn server/client using 2 type of auth protocol diferent
20:49.35fastputtyvaldyn: i wonder which one would be the best
20:49.52wols_!best
20:49.52dpkgBest for what? Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:49.54fastputtyvaldyn: more secure, stability
20:50.34fastputtyhum..
20:51.15geo-rgeread what valdyn said, which is the things you're comparing have different purposes
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20:51.53geo-rgeit's like you're comparing apples to george bush
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20:52.21maddashhow timely
20:52.28geo-rgeno kidding :)
20:52.35geo-rgethat was funny
20:52.44wols_openvpn has the advantage of a RFC for me. and windows support
20:54.00pickcoderopenvpn now supports multi-homing too
20:54.24fastputtyhumm but i tried tocomunicate with a checkpoint box
20:54.31fastputtyand checkpoint box seem to be under ipsec protocol
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20:54.45fastputtyunless i remove this gay shit box :O to put everything debian
20:55.16pikoHi, could anyone advise on installation on IBM notebook?
20:55.30streunerpiko: /msg dpkg laptops
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20:56.24protolocoHow can i know the content of a debian package ?
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20:56.45wols_protoloco: before or after installing it?
20:56.53protolocoafter
20:56.58protoloco:)
20:56.59wols_dpkg -L packagename
20:56.59dpkgii  packagename                 3.9-15           wols_'s private gamp collection
20:57.07streunerhaha
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20:57.33fastputtypickcoder: sorry for the noob question but what is multihoming?
20:57.38jelly-homedpkg: you're not case sensitive, are you?
20:57.39dpkgjelly-home: what are you talking about?
20:57.41pikostreuner: Sorry I was not precious, I need to know some details about IBM/lenovo notebooks (eg. if one can  erase the windows partition withoul loosing win install) I need win just as reference OS.
20:58.12streunerpiko: Did you read the factoid?
20:58.24pikoprotoloco: you could also install dlocate which keeps database od contents.
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20:58.47pikostreuner: what? I saw you speaking to bot, but no result
20:58.52streunerpiko: erasing partition in order to use that next time? :-)
20:59.51streunerWhat do you mean with "erase" anyway?
21:00.38streunerpiko: as long as you dont use the partition of windows, you can use it any time laster
21:00.43streuners/laster/later/
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21:01.07streuner!laptops
21:01.07dpkglaptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/  For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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21:02.25pikostreuner: No, I mean I know that Acer/lenovo keeps some data on one partition ans I am not sure if there are also windows installation files present.
21:03.00pikostreuner: I really know that partition can not keep data after installing there other soft
21:03.01valdynpiko: you just need to keep the hpa ( host protected area )
21:03.43pikovaldyn: If you mean that part at the beginning of disc, yrs
21:03.51pikos/yrs/yes/
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21:04.33valdynpiko: no idea where its located, linux might respect that by default, see dmesg
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21:04.54drwahlfrom a 64bit lenny install, can i install 686 kernels from apt? i cant seem to find the packages
21:05.00streunerMBR wouldnt touch by the partition-procedure
21:05.09pikoI know how to keep it, but that what I am not sure is if it contains also win installation.
21:05.35valdynpiko: it contains everything needed to restore the state your notebook shipped in
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21:06.03streunerthats past anyway...
21:06.30pikovaldyn: So the other partitions are empty before the installation?
21:06.32streunerwindows should be on ONE partition
21:06.40streunerheh
21:06.50streunerpiko: fdisk -l
21:06.51AxPhYsIai need help about NTFS config
21:06.55valdynpiko: that's quite irrelevant
21:07.35pikostreuner: first 6GB partition m id 27, the rest on separate
21:07.37maddashXftColorAllocName
21:07.39AxPhYsIai can´t see windows files
21:07.49streunerfine
21:08.06valdynpiko: all you need is the hpa to restore original state, i can hardly know how ibm disks look before they install
21:08.10pikovaldyn: so you are absolutely sure, that the separate partition contains all
21:08.15maddashAxPhYsIa: have you mounted your windows partition?
21:08.19AxPhYsIai can see windows files and not can change files
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21:08.36pikoAxPhYsIa: mount | grep nfts
21:08.40valdynpiko: you should read the booklet/manual that came with your notebook
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21:08.48maddashAxPhYsIa: mount|grep ntfs, he meant
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21:09.04valdynpiko: im just some guy on irc
21:09.10wfq_is there someone form Japan? I need to check something
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21:09.13wfq_please
21:09.25pikovaldyn: I know, you are right
21:09.56streunerwfq_: you are prolly out of luck
21:10.16valdynpiko: that booklet should also tell you that you can restore the hpa with a cdrom that ibm/lenovo will send to you for around 10 us$
21:10.18drwahlhow do i install a 32bit kernel form a 64bit install?
21:10.20wfq_:)
21:10.48valdyndrwahl: not
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21:10.50wfq_arghhhh.. Does anyone know if a proxy can filter ip's coming from a particular country?
21:10.52streunerwhat do you need to "check"?
21:11.06drwahlvaldyn: so i cant apt-get install linux-image-(something 32bit)?
21:11.07Kevin`wfq_ yes.
21:11.13Kevin`wfq_ normally a stupid thing to do
21:11.17AxPhYsIai have ntfs program
21:11.35AxPhYsIai have windos partition
21:11.39proppyhi
21:11.48proppyI'm looking forward fixing #442702
21:11.49AxPhYsIai can t change windows files
21:11.57wfq_Kevin, is that possible then?
21:12.03Kevin`AxPhYsIa are you using ntfs-3g?
21:12.09AxPhYsIanot
21:12.11Kevin`wfq_ possible, yep
21:12.22AxPhYsIai use ntfs programs
21:12.30Kevin`AxPhYsIa ntfs.. programs?
21:12.42AxPhYsIayes this is the name
21:12.55AxPhYsIai need ntfs-3g
21:12.58Kevin`what specific program are you using to access the filesystem and try to change files
21:13.12maddashAxPhYsIa: do you NEED to write to your ntfs partition?
21:13.19AxPhYsIayes
21:13.31Kevin`AxPhYsIa do you need to change the size of files while writing?
21:13.42AxPhYsIayes..
21:13.44proppysid = testing ?
21:13.47Kevin`get ntfs-3g ten
21:13.49Kevin`then*
21:14.00wfq_Kevin, Could you please let me know your view point of if a proxy in front of a Apache could detect IP's coming from Japan so that I see them in the accesslog as coming from a local IP?
21:14.05defrysksid = unstable
21:14.18defrysklenny = testing
21:14.33AxPhYsIadebian:/home/doroty# sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
21:14.33AxPhYsIaLeyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
21:14.33AxPhYsIaCreando árbol de dependencias... Hecho
21:14.33AxPhYsIaE: No se pudo encontrar el paquete ntfs-3g
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21:14.36pickcoderfastputty: multihome lets you host openvpn servers on two different pipes and have the client determine which one is available
21:14.40petemcwfq_: look at geoip for apache
21:14.40valdynwfq_: its trivially possible, what's the point?
21:14.43proppyok
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21:15.27pickcoderfastputty: it's basically a way to setup transparent redundancy for your VPN tunnel
21:15.35AxPhYsIammm
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21:15.42maddashhaha "arbol de dependencias"
21:15.54pikoproppy: sid stands for allways in development, but lenny will become one day stable
21:15.56proppyis sid python2.4 by default ?
21:16.07valdyn!sid
21:16.07dpkgthe <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian.  Commonly backronymed Still In Development.  It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  Ask me about unstable.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.   It will never be released. see <sid faq>
21:16.07wfq_valdyn, ptemc, The question is. Some asked me to manage the Apache's access statistics but 80% of the ips I get come from a LAN ip. I think they are filtering the Japan's ip but I don't know the system too much
21:16.09AxPhYsIai dont have ntfs-g3 in the respositors
21:16.18maddashsid stands for STUCK in Dev
21:16.21proppyok
21:16.25pikoAxPhYsIa: you should use #flood channel or some paste site, eg. rafb.net
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21:16.27proppythanks :)
21:16.32protolococrw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 200 2007-09-12 19:08 tun   <-- what is the  'c' ?
21:16.40\amethystcharacter device
21:16.40maddashprotoloco: character device
21:16.44AxPhYsIaok
21:16.48protolocothanks..
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21:17.18pickcoderfastputty: I think that only works with client<->server scenarios
21:17.26pikoAxPhYsIa: anyway could you check /etc/apt/sources.list if it contains main contrib?
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21:17.36wfq_valdyn,petemc, I don't know how to recognize this proxy. The only way if someone from Japan in here could connect
21:18.29proppyfor debugging a 'FTBFS if build twice in a row' should I call debuild twice ?
21:18.38proppyafter having the source package extracted ?
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21:19.46AxPhYsIai already did it
21:20.07protolocofile:/dev/net# modprobe tun     FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-xen/modules.dep: No such file or directory
21:20.16protolocohow can i get the tun module ?? is for a openvpn Client..
21:20.40protolocoin /dev/net/tun exists.. as a   crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 200 2007-09-12 19:08 tun
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21:20.45protolocoso it should be there right ?
21:20.50protolocothe module
21:22.30Greek-BoyI'm running debian etch on an HP DL180 but the latest kernel image keeps dropping the ethernet interface
21:22.39Greek-Boyand went into a kernel panic yesterday too
21:22.40pikoAxPhYsIa: look to packages.debian.org, if the package is present in your version
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21:23.24AxPhYsIami source list contains the deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
21:23.40AxPhYsIaand deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
21:23.48pikoso you use stable ...
21:24.21AxPhYsIawhat?
21:24.35Greek-BoyAxPhYsIa, that was meant for me?
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21:24.40maddashprotocol1: run depmod -a
21:25.05pikoAxPhYsIa: well, there are also other ways so write into ntfs, from kernel, but I am not sure how safe thay are
21:25.15pikoAxPhYsIa: you use stable version of debian
21:25.37abrotmanthere's a backport of ntfs-3g at backports.org that should work with etch
21:25.49defryskhttp://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g
21:25.57pikoAxPhYsIa: so it perhaps does not contain the newest software, but backport could help
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21:26.13AxPhYsIam
21:26.33pikobackport is port of some important software to stable while it is not present there.
21:26.34slashzulhow can I force update just one package , not the NEW packages?
21:26.37abrotmanAxPhYsIa: please read the instructions at backports.org
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21:26.46abrotmanslashzul: aptitude install <pkg>
21:26.54AxPhYsIaok
21:27.14slashzulwith apt-get abrotman
21:27.17abrotmanpiko: it's also backports of newer versions
21:27.23abrotmanslashzul: same .. apt-get install <pkg>
21:27.38slashzultried it but I get a whole page full of updates with new ones
21:27.42abrotmani'm guessing you mean they're on hold
21:27.44abrotmanslashzul: paste it
21:27.46abrotman!paste
21:27.46dpkgPlease do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
21:27.47slashzuljust want traceroute
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21:28.00abrotmanslashzul: also paste /etc/apt/sources.list
21:28.24drwahlis there any way to install a 32bit kernel from a running 64bit kernel?
21:28.37abrotmanto do what? and doubtful
21:28.45AxPhYsIathankyou very much
21:29.08drwahli simply want to be able to reboot, have grub come up, and select with kernel i want to run. i want to have both 64 and 32 bit kernels
21:29.10Nyledrwahl: yes
21:29.13Nyle!amd64
21:29.13dpkgfrom memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq.  Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
21:29.23pikodrwahl: well, perhaps ust to another partition
21:29.30pikos/ust/just/
21:29.31abrotmandrwahl: are you running pure64 or i386 ?
21:29.43NyleI have a 32bit chroot in amd64
21:29.46drwahlok, so i cant do like a did before when i wanted a kernel upgrade (apt-get install (newkernel) ?
21:29.55Nylei run my firefox and 32bit mplayer w/codecs
21:30.00abrotmandrwahl: dpkg-architecture .. what does the first line say ?
21:30.20drwahlDEB_BUILD_ARCH=amd64
21:30.29NyleLinux desktop 2.6.22-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
21:30.35abrotmanno .. no 32bit kernel for you
21:30.37NyleMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6)
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21:31.40drwahlabrotman: ok. so in order to get a 32bit kernel, i would have to create another partition, and do another install?
21:31.42pikodrwahl: why do you need 32bit partition?
21:31.55Greek-Boywhat happened to baseconfig
21:31.57Greek-Boy?
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21:32.04drwahlpiko: my biggest issue right now is i cant get skype to work in 64bit
21:32.07pikodrwahl: you could create partition and then run debootstrap
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21:32.21pikodrwahl: you do not need 32bit kernel
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21:32.36pikodrwahl: skype works fine for me on 64 with 32bit chroot
21:33.02drwahlpiko: do you have a link for a walkthrough? or some pointers?
21:33.20pikodrwahl: wait ...
21:33.20Nylei just gave yo uone
21:33.24Nyleand amd64 howto
21:33.32Nyle!amd64
21:33.33dpkgrumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq.  Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
21:33.47Nyle2nd link
21:34.16Nyledrwahl: ^^
21:34.22drwahlNyle: ah, missed that... thanks for the link (again) :)
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21:34.27Nylesure
21:34.49pikodrwahl: yes debian amd64 howto
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21:34.54Nyledrwahl: why do you want amd64?
21:35.00lulzim trying to install rtorrent on sid
21:35.04lulzand im getting this #
21:35.04lulzdep: libssh2-0 [not armel, hppa, hurd-i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, m68k, sparc] Package not available
21:35.11lulzlibssh2-0 doesnt exist
21:35.18lulzlike at all
21:35.25Nylelulz: sid isn't supported here, figure it out on your own
21:35.29pikodrwahl: but I do not agree that 32 bit prot is better than 64 if processor supports it
21:35.33lulzthanks
21:35.35drwahlNyle: more for a testing thing
21:35.40Nyledrwahl: ok
21:35.56drwahlbut i still need some basic funtions, like skype :)
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21:36.11pikoNyle: what do you have against 64?
21:36.19drwahlNyle: ok, so i already have ia32-libs installed. how did you build skype to get it to work?
21:36.21Nylewhat?
21:36.47Nyledrwahl: I didn't
21:36.58drwahlerr... piko
21:36.58Nyledrwahl: I installed a 32bit system in side 64 bit
21:37.00abrotmandrwahl: try a chroot
21:37.08drwahlkk
21:37.20Nylenow I simply sudo chroot /var/debian32/ skype
21:37.23Nyleand voila, :D
21:37.36Nyleor i'll use schroot
21:37.53pikodrwahl: not necessary, only look at aptitude search ia32 (I think there are more packages for 32bit libs)
21:38.48pikodrwahl: then I think I installed skype from tar.bz2
21:38.59Nylestatically linked
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21:39.15maddashbrb.
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21:40.06drwahlpiko Nyle and abrotman: i am giving chroot a try. thanks for the info. i will let you know the outcome
21:40.24pikodrwahl: good luck
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21:41.17timdayAhhh joy.... finally got nvidia accel back on my testing box, after pulling 2.6.22 kernel from sid and modassing sid's nvidia drivers
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21:41.44pikodrwahl: only try deb package, dynamic, static (in this order)
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21:42.04drwahlpiko: will do
21:42.39drwahlls
21:42.44drwahlwrong window...
21:43.33abrotmanno kidding
21:45.19bobfarrell<PROTECTED>
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21:47.12frenchn00bhi
21:47.18frenchn00bfirst xchat
21:47.21frenchn00bfor me
21:47.38bobfarrellFirst xchat?
21:47.40frenchn00bIt's amazing that there is only 2 out of 815 persons
21:47.43frenchn00byeap
21:47.48frenchn00bno idea how it works
21:47.48amphifrenchn00b from .at? ;)
21:47.53bobfarrellBienvenue alors.
21:47.53frenchn00byeap
21:47.57frenchn00bmerci
21:48.03frenchn00bfrancais ?
21:48.07abrotman!fr
21:48.08dpkgPour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net.  French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
21:48.19bobfarrellJe crois que je pourrais te convaincre que je suis francais, mais non, j'suis pas. :)
21:48.27frenchn00b(c'est marant)
21:48.37frenchn00band which country are you from hence ?
21:48.44ameyersadly, I almost understood what bobfarrell said...
21:48.46frenchn00b(talking in english 'd be etter)
21:48.48bobfarrellEngland.
21:48.52frenchn00bahh
21:48.59frenchn00byou talk english & french, nice
21:49.04abrotmanso do you
21:49.10frenchn00bas well
21:49.12bobfarrellHehehe.
21:49.14frenchn00bhehe
21:49.18frenchn00bI hav ea
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21:49.20frenchn00bquestion
21:49.22sinehiiiiiiiiiii
21:49.30frenchn00bwhy are we only 3 or 4 here ?
21:49.37abrotmanthree or four what ?
21:49.41sinehow comes i dont have a modules.conf
21:49.44frenchn00bdebian, isnt it more famlous ? linux isnt it either ?
21:49.52bobfarrellThere's 815 people here.
21:49.53frenchn00bwhy so few persons on chat ?
21:49.55bobfarrell814 now. ;)
21:50.00abrotmanfrenchn00b: there's over 800
21:50.02frenchn00bin realtime ?
21:50.03sinehi bobfarrell
21:50.07abrotmanfrenchn00b: they just don't all talk at the same time
21:50.12bobfarrellHello, sine.
21:50.14frenchn00bbut what's the green button
21:50.29frenchn00bthis green button, means what actually next to users ?
21:50.29bobfarrellfrenchn00b: No idea, I've never used xchat. :)
21:50.30abrotmanask #xchat
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21:50.38abrotmanfrenchn00b: oh .. they are chanops
21:50.49bobfarrellHeh.
21:50.49frenchn00bindeed, 2 ops , 813 total
21:50.54frenchn00bwhat's chanops ?
21:50.59abrotman!irc primer
21:50.59dpkgirc primer is, like, http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html
21:51.05abrotman!xchat
21:51.06dpkgfrom memory, xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/
21:51.11sine!sonypi
21:51.15abrotmani guess that silverex can come off ..
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21:51.25thechefI want to encrypt a file, I right-click on it, choose Aktionen (Actions) > Datei verschlüsseln (Encrypt file), then it shows only my public key, but not the public key of the others I have in my kgpg
21:51.32frenchn00bbut irc, is quite dangerous ?
21:51.32thechefDesktop Environment: KDE
21:51.34fastaWhat is transperancy?
21:51.38frenchn00byou can see the IP of every one ?
21:51.48ameyerpfft, irssi > xchat...
21:51.59sineyes once you know how to use it
21:52.02frenchn00bpeople can wireshard, then ? no ..
21:52.14ameyerwell, i consider irssi to be better than xchat
21:52.15sineso xchat is good for a while when you first start using hte os
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21:52.24abrotmanameyer: maybe not for a noob though
21:52.27sineas you have enough shit to deal with like me
21:52.31ameyerpossibly not
21:52.42frenchn00bwho tried dune legacy ?
21:52.52frenchn00bI was trying to install it, and no way
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21:54.21sinehow comes i dont have a modules.conf
21:54.27sinedo i have to make one mysefl
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21:55.19CodenutHi
21:55.25fastasine: I think that file is obsolete
21:55.25frenchn00bhi
21:55.50fastasine: on my system when I read it it says that it's generated by a binary that is obsolete
21:56.17fastasine: which by transitivity implies the file is also obsolete.
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21:56.26fastasine: you are reading some "tutorial"?
21:56.46Mike57bugCan i have dedian as just a ftp server
21:56.47CodenutI am trying to trouble shoot my debian box that I am using SSH to get to via wifi links. All links check out with ping -t.
21:57.01protolocoHello guys.. i have a kernel 2.6.18-xen .. how can i get thoses sources?? because i need to compile a module ... called "tun"
21:57.08protolocoi just found kernel 2.6.18
21:57.11protoloconot with xen
21:57.15protolocoin apt
21:57.25sinefasta, im trying to install the sonypi module on my vaio and all the tutorials point to using that file
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21:57.38fastasine: url of tutorial, please
21:57.41sineok
21:58.09fastaprotoloco: what makes you think the sources for kernel 2.6.18 and 2.6.18-xen are different?
21:58.13sinehttp://www.sol4.net/linux/pb-sonypi.shtml
21:58.28sineimportant one http://popies.net/sonypi/
21:58.37drwahlpiko: i have created the chroot, but i'm not sure how to install skype now...
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21:59.07snotliable: it was the local dhclient that was too blame. I've added the correct name servers to that and now everything is ok, thanks for your help
21:59.22sinehttp://www.linux.it/~malattia/wiki/index.php/Sonypi
21:59.34protolocofasta, cuz xen ?
21:59.40fastasine: right, that last page is the one you should have.
21:59.42fasta!cuz
21:59.42dpkgwell, cuz is you mean because?, or an affectionate name for your cousin (or cousin, according to dvs).
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22:00.08Agiofwshello
22:00.08Greek-Boywhen I access a server thats on ssh through the net the delay while typing in the tty terminal is very slow. any work around on this? its difficult to work like this..
22:00.10Agiofwsto all
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22:01.21petemcGreek-Boy: sounds like lag, are you using bittorrent or anything?
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22:01.37Agiofwsfirst aoff all i got to set my hwclock up to the right time cause i had to  issue a --directisa  option to etc/initd/hwclock.sh   so now its syncking with biuioses clock i suppose ...
22:01.41fastasine: that wiki page contains all the instructions you need, AFAIK.
22:01.46sineoik mate
22:01.50Agiofwsmy next step is that i would like to get  TIME off the internet
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22:02.28clauns_rulezs/biuioses clock/ BIOS's clock
22:02.28Greek-Boypetemc, now bittorrent but there is about 500ms to 1000ms delay between me and the server. its far and its over sattelite links
22:02.41Greek-Boyi mean no bittorrent
22:02.45Agiofwsi issue  at the rc.local file the command  exec /usr/sbin/rdate -s tick.greyware.com   but the systems time will not  change can you help me this is my rc.loacal file http://rafb.net/p/ugKvxq67.txt
22:02.51petemcGreek-Boy: oh, well thats probably it then
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22:03.05Greek-Boyso just gotta live with it?
22:03.20penguinI have vista on one drive and Debiain on the other, I had to switch the cables to get Debian to work.  Debian upgraded the kernel and now the kernel thinks it is on the wrong drive.
22:03.43penguinI switched the cables to get vista to work rather.
22:03.45pikodrwahl: have you used the howto on alioth?
22:04.11clauns_rulezpenguin: either alter your BIOS drive order (which is what i do for a quick fix),  or start altering your menu.lst entries
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22:04.25penguinI cannot boot
22:04.26petemcGreek-Boy: pretty much
22:04.45gkiagiapenguin: keep vista on the second disk and use grub to fool vista so that they think they are on the first disk
22:05.04penguinI don't think vista will work from the second drive
22:05.09snotI have some stuff running at tty1 at a box where I atm only have ssh access... can I get the output of tty1 printed to a file or use screen or something?
22:05.24Agiofwsi issue  at the rc.local file the command  exec /usr/sbin/rdate -s tick.greyware.com   but the systems time will not  change can you help me this is my rc.loacal file http://rafb.net/p/ugKvxq67.txt
22:05.34gkiagiapenguin: why not? have you tried grub's "map" commands?
22:05.49penguinBeen there done that
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22:05.55zinxgkiagia: i'm not sure, but i think grub's map stuff may not fool XP/Vista
22:06.03zinxgkiagia: BIOS stuff works, however
22:06.05penguinVista overwrites the stuff past eh mbr
22:06.20Agiofwssnot,   try command  2>&1 > file ?
22:06.32fastaVista still has that ridiculous misfeature?
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22:06.55snotAgiofws: the process is already started
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22:06.57gkiagiazinx: do you think so? I haven't tried it to be sure
22:07.03penguinI think Vista needs the whole beginning of the drive.
22:07.05awilcoxI've got 2.6.18-5-powerpc here, and I can't seem to get pointopoint working.  I typed "ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.1 pointpoint 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" and it continues to not be ptp.
22:07.07zinxgkiagia: i may have tried it - i don't recall
22:07.19zinxgkiagia: i know i'm using the bios to boot XP
22:07.26zinxgkiagia: and i'm sure there's a good reason for it :/
22:07.26penguinAnyway how do I get Debian to boot?
22:07.37Agiofwssnot,  netcat  but not sure
22:07.39Agiofwsmaybe
22:08.01zinxpenguin: change fstab, update menu.lst
22:08.07penguinI cant boot
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22:08.14zinxpenguin: sure you can
22:08.23penguinhow???
22:08.24zinxpenguin: recovery/live CDs work just fine
22:08.30SelenolycusHow can I change the appearance of bash in a CLI-only system?
22:08.36snotAgiofws: ok, nm, thanks
22:08.50penguinTHe kernel is dev wrong
22:08.58zinxpenguin: so?
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22:09.02AgiofwsSelenolycus,  echo $PROMT ?
22:09.07Agiofwssorry
22:09.13Agiofwsset
22:09.13xingugnome 2.20, eh
22:09.16penguinEverything was working, Debian update and now the kernel is messed up.
22:09.22xinguhardly a day goes by...
22:09.29awilcoxWhat can I do?
22:09.31SelenolycusAgiofws: I mean, color, font etc
22:09.37fastaxingu: ?
22:09.56Agiofwsyes i think set end or something
22:09.58pickcoderawilcox: consider setting pointtopoint <add> in /etc/network/interfaces
22:10.02protolocoHello this ins the escenario: I have kernel 2.6.18-xen .. and i have the sources of 2.6.18 without 'xen'... so i need to compile a module  called 'tun' for create interfaces... could i just compile a module from that sources '2.6.18' and bring it for my 2.6.18-xen kernel ???  thats why i need to compile 'tun' module... from sources.. FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-xen/modules.dep: No such file or directory
22:10.09penguinWhat is the command that says where the kernel finds root disk?
22:10.10awilcoxpickcoder: Hrm, okay.
22:10.22pickcoderthere is only one t in it
22:10.23gkiagiapenguin: is doesn't matter. use a live cd to edit your /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst to have the correct device and it will work fine
22:10.26pickcoderpointopoint
22:10.31penguinThat wont do it.
22:10.33clauns_rulezSelenolycus: echo $PS1
22:10.37awilcoxpickcoder: I know :)
22:10.45penguinThe kernel is wrong not that other stuff
22:10.47Selenolycuso_O
22:11.03gkiagiapenguin: the kernel autodetects everything
22:11.05zinxpenguin: how did the kernel become wrong?
22:11.18clauns_rulezSelenolycus: a guide somewhat http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/padala.html
22:11.25zinxpenguin: you never said anything about changing the kernel, you just said you swapped the drives
22:11.44xingufasta: just eyballing sid updates.
22:11.46penguinDebian updated the kernel
22:11.58penguinSo grub shows two kernels
22:12.04penguinBoth do not work
22:12.04zinxpenguin: that isn't a problem...
22:12.06clauns_rulezpenguin: mines shows 5
22:12.08penguinanymoer
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22:12.18zinxpenguin: because you have the wrong drive in the menu.lst
22:12.28zinxpenguin: and presumably the wrong one in the fstab as well
22:12.33penguinmenu.lst is grub thing?
22:12.35clauns_rulez(and likely #groot maybe too now)
22:12.39clauns_rulezyep
22:12.41zinxpenguin: Yes.  /boot/grub/menu.lst
22:12.45penguinIt boots the kernel
22:12.53penguinbut then crashes
22:12.58zinxpenguin: then /etc/fstab is what you want to change
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22:13.14penguinY was it working before?
22:13.29zinxpenguin: because it had the proper drive before you swapped them, presumably.
22:13.45penguinIt worked after the swap,
22:13.48clauns_rulezboot into grub shell and use 'c' , IIRC -  use 'find /boot/grub/stage1'
22:13.50penguinFor montes
22:13.54penguinmonths
22:14.12penguinDebian upgraded the kernel
22:14.25zinxpenguin: perhaps we should approach this from a different direction
22:14.30zinxpenguin: what is the error you're getting?
22:14.50Mahdyhiya guys , my gnome-volume-manage does not detect my cdrom drive when the vcd is inserted but it can detect vcd in my cdrw drive why?
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22:15.14fastaxingu: I just refreshed my cache, and it's not there. Probably slow mirrors, then.
22:15.30penguinI am not at it, but it boots and then doesnt run
22:15.30zinxMahdy: some older CD drives can't read burned discs
22:15.37clauns_rulezMahdy: some cd drives can't do VCD? .. or
22:15.42xingufasta: amd64 here too if that matters
22:15.44zinxpenguin: no one can help you if we don't know what's wrong
22:15.58zinxpenguin: the error message is what says what's wrong
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22:16.17sinefasta, stillhere ?
22:16.22zoombiehi, i just installed a fresh copy of etch to hda, and i have sda/sdb/sdc/sdd which i want to turn into a raid 5 array. where can i find documentation for doing this?
22:16.33clauns_rulezMahdy: see if sdparm -a /dev/cdrom-not-working says anything about that - VCD is a mpeg1 thing, iirc, and also a multi-cd type?
22:16.36zoombieall im finding is stuff that references "raidtools2", which appears to be deprecated
22:16.51penguinWhat is the command that tells what the kernel root device is?
22:16.59clauns_rulezMahdy: quicker test is cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info
22:17.02penguinCant remember the name of that stinking command.
22:17.04Mahdyclauns_rulez: my problem is with gnome-volume-manager not my cdrom drive ican view vcd in it
22:17.16zinxpenguin: root= on the kernel command, which is in the menu.lst
22:17.20clauns_rulezMahdy: oh, hrm, i don't use gnome
22:17.24sineanyone had any dealings wit sonypi
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22:18.04zinxpenguin: but initrd/initramfs may tweak that a bit
22:18.13clauns_rulezMahdy: it doesn't detect the CD Drive? or the VCD within it? and what's the /dev/names of CDRW and CDROM?
22:18.42clauns_rulezMahdy: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hdd <-- for e.g.
22:18.51zinxMahdy: are both drives in the same system?
22:19.00Mahdyclauns_rulez: this is /dev/cdrom i want to gnome automatically run totem if detect vcd in my drive
22:19.08clauns_rulezMahdy: you might just have a missing symlink - like in /dev/disk/by-*
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22:19.18Mahdyzinx: yes
22:19.23clauns_rulezMahdy: /dev/cdrom is a symlink, IIRC
22:19.34clauns_rulezls - al /dev/cdrom
22:19.40Mahdyyes
22:20.12clauns_rulezMahdy: there's also likely a /dev/cdrom1 or /dev/cdrw, etc etc
22:20.13Mahdyit is /dev/hda
22:20.19clauns_rulezMahdy: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hda <-- for e.g.
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22:20.32clauns_rulezcompare with your CDRW
22:20.49penguinrdev
22:20.57clauns_rulezall the S are symlinks
22:21.08penguinDebian rdev the kernel
22:21.14penguinSo how to fix that
22:21.52penguinThat must be what happened.
22:21.57Mahdybut gnome can detect vcd in my cdrw and run totem
22:22.43P-Kdoes debain not have a package for file auditing?
22:22.44Mahdydoes HAL have a problem?
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22:25.31clauns_rulez!customer
22:25.31dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
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22:26.41gkiagiapenguin: well, it's the first time in my life that I see this "rdev" command but as we said before, editing menu.lst and fstab overrides all these things in the kernel image
22:27.58enoufthere's no reason to be playing with rdev
22:27.59penguinmenu.lst is irrelevant, it boots
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22:28.31zinxrdev was for floppy booting, which is no longer possible, yes
22:28.44enoufit's likely your initrd - ever do dpkg-reonfigre linux-image-VERSION yet?
22:28.54enoufer dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION
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22:29.07sinesomeone name a gui ssl ftp program that i can apt-get
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22:29.11penguinThe kernel has where to load the linux root file system encoded in it.
22:29.21sineis there a way of searching the apt-get tree
22:29.41enoufsine: apt-cache search <keyword>
22:29.49enoufsine: /msg dpkg search
22:29.50zinxpenguin: the initrd/initramfs might
22:29.58penguinfstab won't have the root file system
22:30.01zinxpenguin: the kernel does not.  that's in the menu.lst
22:30.11zinxpenguin: yes it will
22:30.15penguinIt boots
22:30.22enoufand fails where?
22:30.30penguinWhy kkeep mentioning menu.lst
22:30.31enoufwhen loading the initrd i bet
22:30.36zinxpenguin: to what?  you've yet to give that *VERY IMPORTANT* piece of information
22:30.51zinxpenguin: no one can help you unless you give the error message/what happens
22:30.57enoufor the point where the initrd hands over control back to the kernel and real-root-fs
22:31.05zinxenouf: yeah, that's what i'm expecting
22:31.07penguinIt is failing trying to load the root file system I am pretty certain
22:31.17penguinI am not at the computer now.
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22:32.08enoufpenguin: boot your old working kernel, same error, same place?
22:32.40enoufpenguin: and which versions are we talking about? 2.4.27 -> 2.6.21? rofl
22:33.38penguinBoth kernels get the same error.
22:33.39enoufupdate-initramfs is also another possible fix, alongside that d-r linux-image i mentioned
22:33.44zinxhmm, it doesn't seem to
22:33.48gkiagiazinx: doesn't initramfs read the root= kernel option?
22:33.57zinxgkiagia: looks like that may well be the case
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22:35.14gkiagiaso, penguin, for the last time, go and get a live cd and edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst so that the root=/dev/xxx option is correct
22:35.23zinxyeah, it uses root= unless you tell it to hardcode the root fs
22:35.27protolocoHello this ins the escenario: I have kernel 2.6.18-xen .. and i have the sources of 2.6.18 without 'xen'... so i need to compile a module  called 'tun' for create interfaces... could i just compile a module from that sources '2.6.18' and bring it for my 2.6.18-xen kernel ???  thats why i need to compile 'tun' module... from sources.. FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-xen/modules.dep: No such file or directory
22:35.35zinxpenguin: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
22:35.39penguinWhy can't I edit that from grub?
22:35.48zinxpenguin: you can edit the kernel command line
22:35.49enouflook at the init script inside of it, and scripts/* and /etc/udev/*
22:35.56zinxpenguin: which will allow you to boot, apart from any fstab problems
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22:36.37zinxpenguin: when you alter the menu.lst, alter just the device path/grub device name in the two lines that say:
22:36.40penguinCan I do this from grub menu.  that would be easiest.
22:36.46zinx# kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro
22:36.50zinx# groot=(hd0,0)
22:37.02enoufprotoloco: you likely need the headers for xen
22:37.03zinxpenguin: you can alter it for a single boot from the grub menu
22:37.24zinxpenguin: you have to make those changes to menu.lst, then run update-grub, for the changes to be permanent
22:37.35penguinGood then I can get on here from the computer
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22:38.31gkiagiaprotoloco: you are doing something wrong. /lib/modules/2.6.18-xen/modules.dep should exist....
22:38.36enoufpenguin: within the grub shell, hit enter after making a change to a screen and then b to boot when done
22:38.40zinxpenguin: when you alter it from the menu you'll need to alter the similar stuff - the linux style device on the 'kernel' line, and the grub one on the 'root' line, though if it's finding the kernel/initrd then the 'root' one is apparently correct
22:38.43P-Kanyone use audit?
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22:39.10enoufdon't use Esc or 'anykey' to go back to previous screen, if you want those changes saved for that boot
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22:40.16enoufpenguin: do you have build-essential installed?
22:40.25penguinDoes Debian have a liveCD?
22:40.32penguinyes
22:40.33enouf!live cd
22:40.33dpkglivecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD.  Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu.  Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.  Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc
22:40.51spinghello guys! i have to install a test/unstable-only package on a debian stable - what's the best way to do that?
22:40.56penguinThanks
22:40.57enoufyou asked and answered? .. b0z0? is that you?
22:41.13petemcprotoloco: have you tried running depmod 2.6.18-xen
22:41.38enoufgrml.org might suffice, but she's dead jim
22:41.55protolocopetemc,
22:41.57enoufthe d-i has a rescue{gui} mode too :-P
22:41.58sinewhere can i post a forum entry for help on a particular subject
22:41.59protolocoWARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-xen: No such file or directory
22:41.59protolocoFATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-xen/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory
22:42.44enoufls -al /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
22:42.46gkiagiaprotoloco: are you sure your xen kernel is 2.6.18-xen?? what does uname -r say ?
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22:43.30protoloco2.6.18-xen
22:43.31protoloco:S
22:43.34protolocoyeah, is weird..
22:43.43petemcprotoloco: does that directory exist?
22:44.05protolocono
22:44.08gkiagiaprotoloco: if this dir doesn't exist, there is something wrong with your installation
22:44.11protoloconothing in /lib/modules/*
22:44.14protolocooh..
22:44.15protolocoic
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22:44.22petemcprotoloco: this is a xen domU ?
22:44.22TrueDDgood night all
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22:44.33thechefI want to encrypt a file, I right-click on it, choose Aktionen (Actions) > Datei verschlüsseln (Encrypt file), then it shows only my public key, but not the public key of the others I have in my kgpg
22:44.45slaqin case anyone doesn't know it yet: if you are in the market for a hardware raid controller: DON'T BUY 3WARE.
22:44.55enoufslaq: why not?
22:44.59Gm4nis it technically correct to ln -s /path/to/folder/ folder, or to ln -s /path/to/folder folder? I notice the results are different, but both seem to work.
22:45.11enoufGm4n: depends
22:45.36Gm4nenouf: on what? :)
22:45.55enoufGm4n: cd /path/to/dir ; ln -s /path/to/dir name-you-want
22:46.18enouf(is what i usually do)
22:46.24kyevanIs there an easy way to reinstall grub for my unstable install?
22:46.26Gm4nyes, but ln -s /path/to/dir myname is different than ln -s /path/to/dir/ myname
22:46.36enoufGm4n: depends ;-)
22:46.50Gm4nwell, the links show up differently in ls -l (one has the trailing /)
22:46.51enoufGm4n: on where you are when you do that , IINM
22:47.15enoufkyevan: boot into rescuegui from debian installer
22:47.19slaqenouf, it's a longer story (i spent the last 3 days recovering the mess that a 9650SE created). the quick summary is: you can not trust your data to it, verify and scrubbing are not implemented reliably and it can behave *very* bad (read: random) in case of disaster
22:47.29kyevanenouf: It doesn't work
22:47.43kyevanWhen I click 'reinstall grub' in the rescue pane, it does nothing
22:47.43gkiagiakyevan: man grub-install
22:47.49enoufslaq: sorry to hear, you sure it's not an Chipset/Mobo related issue?
22:47.56kyevangkiagia: debian installer has no man
22:48.00kyevanor grub-install
22:48.36enoufit's self-explanatory
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22:48.40kyevan(I should probably mention that it was a Windows reinstall overwriting the MBR, so I'm stuck in windows)
22:48.50kyevanenouf: Perhaps, perhaps not.
22:48.50enouffrom the onscreeen text
22:48.55kyevanIt doesn't matter when non exists
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22:49.02kyevanenouf: WHAT onscreen texts!?
22:49.22enoufoh ffs, do i really need to paste images now?
22:49.32kyevanWhen I boot to the rescue thing (using the Debian Installer) it DOES NOT WORK.
22:49.36kyevanI TRIED THAT.
22:49.38enoufi still have old PNGs saved from an old install
22:49.50enouf!doesn't owrk
22:49.52Gm4nenouf: I'm putting symbolic links in user's home folders to another part of the filesystem. Does it matter at all if I leave in the trailing /, or is that entirely irrelevant (I know both work fine commandline, but will some FTP clients get confused if it's one or the other?)
22:49.56enouf!doesn't work
22:49.56dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
22:50.13kyevanI already told you.
22:50.23kyevanIt does nothing and dumps me back to the main menu
22:50.26enoufGm4n: sorry, ask another - i'm just not sure
22:50.39petemckyevan: its not as simple as clicking anything , /msg dpkg fixmbr
22:51.00enoufsure it is, i've done it
22:51.14petemcenouf: its not
22:51.19kyevanpetemc: Then why does the rescue installer gui have a nice clickable menu item that says REINSTALL GRUB
22:51.25protolocopetemc, sorry.. Yes is dom0
22:51.26kyevan?
22:51.28enoufthe only time it fails is when the b0z0 boots incorrectly and enters wrong params
22:51.39enoufpetemc: sure it is, i've done it
22:51.45petemcright
22:51.56awilcoxI've manually reconstructed MBRs in hexedit.  what seems to be the trouble?
22:52.15enoufok, elitist dildo, you're right and everyone else is wrong - fuckwit
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22:52.20petemcprotoloco: dom0 ? you're sure?
22:52.47petemcenouf: nice, i wasnt abusive to you in any way, the simple fact is what you describe doesnt workk
22:52.49enoufkyevan: you suck, keep using wintendo
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22:53.26awilcoxWell at least he left.  Now, kyevan, what seems to be the problem with your GRUB?
22:53.42greboide`hi if i want to add a piece of software thats gpled to debian is there someone who i should contatct?
22:53.58kyevanawilcox: Windows installer's idiocy. When I try to use the rescue gui, it doesn't do anything (I click the reinstall grub option in the rescue option (after loading the needed components for it to show up, of course :P) and it just dumps me back to the main menu)
22:54.12petemckyevan: /msg dpkg fixmbr
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22:54.16awilcoxkyevan: hmm...
22:54.19slaqenouf, yes. it was a normal disk failure followed by a silent failure that should have been prevented by scrubbing (all verify/check options were enabled on the ctor). so bug1: scrubbing doesn't work. bug2 was that there are no options to evacuate data from a failing (half-dead) disk to a good one. bug3 (and what ironically saved us in the end) is that after some reboots (due to controller-lockup <= bug4), the controller just *forgot* about the
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22:54.35kyevanpetemc: Yes, do you want a screenshot of the option to reinstall grub?
22:54.47jaymzhis there a work around for nvidial-glx conflicting with xserver-xorg-core in unstable?
22:54.58jaymzhI restarted X today to a very unhappy lack of xinerama
22:55.04kyevanIf the menu item is broken, just say so, but don't just keep spouting the instructions to do it using the command line interface.
22:55.13petemckyevan: you obviously havent read that factoid, enjoy your broken installation
22:55.21kyevanpetemc: I have indeed read it.
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22:55.25greboide`contact*
22:55.33petemckyevan: it mentions nothing about menu options
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22:55.45kyevanpetemc: ...
22:55.47awilcoxkyevan: I'd do it through the CLI.  It is much more reliable.
22:55.50petemc!fixmbr
22:55.50dpkgSo you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
22:56.00kyevanpetemc: I've read it several times now.
22:56.12petemcwhere does it say use the menu option to reinstall grub?
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22:56.20kyevanpetemc: Nowhere.
22:56.21flyinprogramerwhen you create a user with useradd, a group is also created with that user's name... is there away to make that not happen?? is it really needed ?
22:56.22jaymzhanyone.... ?  is there a work around for nvidial-glx conflicting with xserver-xorg-core in unstable?
22:56.41petemckyevan: you got a bum steer from enouf, what you need to do is described in that factoid
22:56.45kyevanBut if you boot to the rescue disk, and there's a menu option to do it, you expect it to work, or at least TELL YOU when it fails!
22:57.15petemckyevan: no, you're not taking in all that is involved, just follow the instructions from dpkg
22:57.24awilcoxflyinprogramer: yes, specify -g <default group, normally users>
22:57.40greboide`or rather another channel?
22:57.41petemckyevan: the menu options doesnt say "click here to fix the mbr if windows overwrote it"
22:58.08kyevanpetemc: It says "enter recovery mode" then below that, "reinstall grub"
22:58.15petemci give up
22:58.22greboide`good
22:58.27awilcoxkyevan: okay...you've said that already.  you need to realise that we have heard you, and maybe some dev heard you and is fixing it.
22:58.28kyevanSo what am I  misunderstanding
22:58.38kyevanJust saying that "that's not right" isn't helpful
22:58.40flyinprogramerawilcox, thanks man, you rock
22:58.53awilcoxkyevan: at any case, the rescue disk DOESNT WORK, and you need to just use the CLI to fix it.
22:59.01awilcoxflyinprogramer: anytime :)
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22:59.08petemcgreboide`: you're free to ignore me if i bother you
22:59.16kyevanWhat am I misunderstanding? And yes, I will do the cli thing once my printer decides to wake up >_>
22:59.21kyevanSo you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
22:59.24flyinprogramerawilcox, is there away to set a user's password using the useradd command?
22:59.26kyevaner
22:59.32awilcoxflyinprogramer: yes.
22:59.40flyinprogramerwow i'm dumb
22:59.45greboide`petemc thanks to noticing my presence here
22:59.47flyinprogramerjust -p and then the password right ?
22:59.50awilcoxflyinprogramer: -p password_as_returned_by_crypt
23:00.11flyinprogrameras returned by crypt ?
23:00.13awilcoxflyinprogramer: maybe you should try "man useradd", it gives a list of options and how to use them.
23:00.46flyinprogramerwill do
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23:01.01yassineevening everyone when i try to run gxine over my dvb card here is what i get: http://rafb.net/p/gZ9uc370.html i was not able to find something usefull using google any help is apreciated
23:01.07awilcoxkyevan: I've been there :P  (with PuTTY)
23:01.42kyevanthere we go.
23:01.53kyevanIt seems to forget settings even within a session >_>
23:02.12awilcoxhah.
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23:02.27greboide`unfortunately im gonna give it up too, i dont even know why i came in the first place
23:02.43gvsIs there a way to restore deleted scripts in /etc/init.d and symlinks in etc/rcX.d?
23:02.53awilcox18:48 < greboide`> hi if i want to add a piece of software thats gpled to debian is there someone who i should contatct?
23:02.56awilcox18:48 < greboide`> hi if i want to add a piece of software thats gpled to debian is there someone who i should contatct?
23:03.04awilcox^ That's why you came here, and sorry for the double paste.
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23:03.56greboide`awilcox thanks for reminding me, i would like some info about that yes.
23:03.59kyevangreboide`: I'm not sure, but I think the normal route is to package it, then find a dev to verify and upload it... or something like that?
23:04.12awilcoxkyevan: yep, that's the standard procedure
23:04.26greboide`are there guidelines on how it should be packaged?
23:04.41petemc!rfp
23:04.42dpkgit has been said that rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "
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23:06.27greboide`thanks might give a good start
23:07.53tuvgnome's video thumbnails have the wrong aspect ratio. how can this be fixed?
23:08.23tuvsome thumbnails have the correct aspect, but some do not
23:08.56flyinprogramerok... so the man page says, The encrypted password, as returned by crypt(3). The default is to disable the account."  what is crypt??
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23:09.23flyinprogramerthat's from the man page of useradd, the -p switch
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23:12.02flyinprogrameri'm trying to build a bash script where a user will type in their username and desired password, and it will create their unix account, and a mysql database and proper credientials to access it, i have the mysql part done, now i just need to know how to script the password setting of the unix account
23:12.06flyinprogramerhelp...
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23:12.39greboide`one last question i dont have a debian system settled here and need to gather info on versions of released packages that "my" piece of software depends, any standard place to look it into?
23:13.19sinehow do you unload x
23:13.23sineand then load it again
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23:13.32petemcgreboide`: packages.debian.org , if i understand you correctly
23:14.14greboide`petemc thanks a lot
23:14.20petemcnp
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23:15.05kspathdoes anyone here have experience running etch on an iBook ?
23:15.49flyinprogramerkspath i do...
23:15.56flyinprogramerit wasn't all that great
23:16.26kspathflyinprogramer: ugh, that is what I was afriad of.. Did you have to do back flips to get it to work?
23:17.02flyinprogramerkspath, not really, but the wireless card wasn't supported when i did it
23:17.39gkiagiasine: logout, login or ctrl+alt+backspace (save any work first)
23:17.42kspathflyinprogramer: ok cool, I purposely bought it with no wireless and max ram so I will try it. Thank you!
23:18.04flyinprogramernot a problem
23:18.17flyinprogramerdoes anyone know how i can bash script the passwd command ??
23:18.37amphikspath: I installed sarge on an ibook once, it worked well
23:18.59amphikspath: there's a nice kernel option to use the sleep light as a disk-access indicator
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23:19.56sineyup that works
23:19.59petemcflyinprogramer: sure, what part are you stuck on?
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23:20.50kspathamphi: that sounds cool
23:20.57flyinprogramerpetemc, well ok, i'll have the varible $username and $password, how do i write that into a script that plugs it into the passwd command, i'm very noob and don't know where to start on sending varibles to commands
23:20.59amphikspath: very handy IMHO
23:21.32amphikspath: I have an idea that the ibook wireless cards may be supported by the bcm43xx driver, but I'm not sure
23:21.47kspathamphi I usually have wmhdplop and other stuff showing me my status
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23:22.16kspathamphi: I purposely do not use any wireless, but thank you, I might need to know someday
23:22.23petemcflyinprogramer: useradd -m -p $USER $PASS
23:22.43flyinprogramerpetemc, you're kidding!!!
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23:23.14petemcflyinprogramer: it might be useradd -m -p $Pass $USER
23:23.27amphikspath: uhuh - I like a light, myself - $DEITY knows why apple thought it was unnecessar
23:23.31amphiy
23:24.07flyinprogramerpetemc, that doesn't work
23:24.22flyinprogramerand when you man useradd, it talks about crypt
23:24.40kspathamphi: wmhdplop and wmforkplop are very nice if you turn off the gory colour blobs that are on by default
23:25.34petemcflyinprogramer: how so?
23:25.42petemcflyinprogramer: you need to have the pass crypted
23:26.07flyinprogramerpetemc, so how do i do that??
23:26.21petemcmkpasswd
23:26.36petemcis one of the way, i use perl
23:26.53flyinprogramerhmm
23:28.36xtor_If I want to sniff the http traffc being exchanged between my script and a remote server, are there any readymade tools that can record the http streams nicely and neatly into a file?
23:29.01dennis-yes, tcpdump :)
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23:34.33bendoverhello, i just recieved my new laptop with a t2350, and after installing debian and setting up acpitool, using -c displays i have a t2450 ... any ideas on how to fix this?
23:34.58xtor_file_get_contents() too?
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23:35.15bendovert2350 = 1.8 Dual core , t2450 = 2.0 Dual Core
23:36.30petemcbendover: i have no idea what a t3350 is, but what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say
23:38.44flyinprogramerpetemc any idea how i could capture the output of mkpasswd ?
23:39.02flyinprogramerlike to store it as a varibable
23:39.09petemcflyinprogramer: TEST=$(mkpasswd foobar) ; echo $TEST
23:39.19flyinprogrameroh
23:39.23flyinprogramerwell i'm dumb
23:40.23protolocothe package to create keygen's ????
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23:42.40petemcprotoloco: ssl certificates?
23:42.59protolocopetemc, interchange keys...
23:43.06protolococreate a public/private key
23:43.14petemcprotoloco: for what?
23:43.18protoloco??
23:43.23protolocofor authentication ?
23:43.27petemcssh?
23:43.30protolocoyeah
23:43.32petemcssh-keygen
23:43.32protoloco:)
23:43.38protolocoi've looked it..
23:43.39petemctry to be less vague
23:43.51protolocoi dont find such pacakge in apt..
23:43.51protoloco:S
23:43.58petemcit comes with ssh
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23:44.32protolocopetemc, exelent
23:44.34bendoverpetemc: model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU      T2450  @ 2.00GHz
23:45.04petemcbendover: it would appear you got a better cpu than you thought, bonus
23:45.23bendoverpetemc: hmmm i doubt woot.com would do that :S
23:46.42bendoverpetemc: is there any other way of checking? maybe physically?
23:47.02petemccpus do exist in the physical world, sure
23:47.12petemcyou could crack your laptop open and see what it says
23:47.23petemci would trust linux, myself
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23:51.26troubledpetemc: curious, pet einstein?
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23:51.52troublednm..../whois
23:52.09troubledalthough pete mc was my second guess :)
23:52.21petemc:)
23:52.44troubledfirst one sounds better though fwiw
23:52.56petemci didnt choose my name, alas
23:53.07troubledbut you did choose your nick :)
23:53.22petemctrue :)
23:53.29petemci was phlebas for a while
23:54.02troubledhmmm, vaguely rings a bell, although i might be thinking something similar in spelling
23:54.06petemcbut ive grown to like my name, despite it being obviously inferior to pet einstein  :)
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