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| 00:04.10 | elenril | what's flashplayer-nonfree 1:1? |
| 00:04.43 | sine | how can i get lftp to download a directory and all its files |
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| 00:06.46 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 00:06.46 | dpkg | rahul <n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 4h 1m 39s ago, saying: 'not_benh: they are totally different distros'. |
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| 00:07.49 | Seb | what's a good editor to make websites ? |
| 00:07.55 | Seb | something dreamweaver i guess |
| 00:08.03 | NiLon | nano is preatty good |
| 00:08.05 | Seb | something like |
| 00:09.12 | NiLon | try nvu or something |
| 00:09.38 | NiLon | I don't use wysiwyg editors with html so it's hard to name any :) |
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| 00:10.14 | toor | i believe nvu is the best wysiwyg html editor |
| 00:10.43 | Seb | nvu is not in debian anymore |
| 00:10.51 | Seb | it doesn't seem maintained upstream |
| 00:11.01 | NiLon | compile it by hand then? |
| 00:11.11 | toor | debian packages should exist |
| 00:11.43 | flyinprogramer | thanks for you help petemc my script is finished and working!!! |
| 00:11.44 | NiLon | yeah, well I installed nvu via apt few weeks ago anyway :P |
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| 00:11.55 | toor | http://packages.debian.org/nvu |
| 00:12.11 | sine | how can a put a folder from a site im connected to a local folder |
| 00:12.14 | sine | im having a job |
| 00:12.16 | sine | :x |
| 00:12.35 | unilynx | I'm having an issue mounting my secondary hard drive, the issue is that normal users can't write to it after it's mounted. I used all the correct options when mounting and setting up fstab. What else can I check over? |
| 00:12.50 | pipeline | unilynx: mount point permissions |
| 00:13.10 | troubled | sine: site? http? |
| 00:13.16 | toor | unilynx: are you sure that there is no ro option in the fstab line for this hd? |
| 00:13.21 | sine | ftp |
| 00:13.25 | sine | with lftp |
| 00:13.32 | troubled | sine: wget should be able to do that |
| 00:13.37 | toor | unilynx: paste the line for this hd please |
| 00:13.39 | unilynx | toor: nope, i added rw,user |
| 00:13.44 | toor | ok |
| 00:13.47 | sine | no im logged in ssl in ftp site |
| 00:13.50 | sine | with lftp |
| 00:14.01 | toor | unilynx: see pipeline |
| 00:14.09 | sine | i can get individual files but i cant put folders |
| 00:14.23 | unilynx | hehe |
| 00:14.32 | troubled | sine: probably a client limitation. sorry I dont know lftp |
| 00:14.54 | unilynx | pipeline: any other ideas? |
| 00:15.20 | unilynx | /dev/hda2 /mnt/extrahd1 ext3 defaults,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:15.26 | unilynx | thats what i have in fstab for it |
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| 00:15.55 | magic_pinguim | Hello |
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| 00:18.01 | troubled | hello |
| 00:19.49 | magic_pinguim | i'm sorry the question but someone know some good tuturial to install wireless to install ne intel 4965 in debian? |
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| 00:24.54 | sine | that atom documentry is on bbc4 again !!! great shti |
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| 00:31.19 | pipeline | unilynx: ls -la /mnt | grep extrahd1 |
| 00:31.57 | unilynx | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-09-20 07:43 extrahd1 |
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| 00:33.24 | Wesley | hello |
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| 00:33.46 | Wesley | can i get help for the amd proprietary drivers here or should i go to #ati :/ |
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| 00:33.55 | pipeline | even money |
| 00:34.02 | pipeline | unilynx: problem solved |
| 00:34.07 | toor | unilynx: only root can write |
| 00:34.13 | pipeline | unilynx: mount point permissions, like I said several minutes ago :P |
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| 00:34.35 | unilynx | so chmod the directory? |
| 00:34.45 | unilynx | and that should fix it? |
| 00:35.38 | toor | yea |
| 00:35.44 | toor | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root |
| 00:35.57 | toor | chmod 775 dir |
| 00:35.58 | toor | maybe :D |
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| 00:36.17 | BeardlesNixCoder | Hello! |
| 00:36.18 | Wesley | after i use apt-get to get fglrx-driver and kernel package with it how do i make the module in the kernel for 3d support? |
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| 00:36.43 | jetscreamer | man mount, search gid&uid |
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| 00:36.58 | jetscreamer | or just chown the mounted hd |
| 00:37.03 | jetscreamer | or portions thereof |
| 00:37.19 | sine | bwahaha |
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| 00:37.26 | sine | jetscreamer, have you used lftp |
| 00:37.40 | BeardlesNixCoder | Question ... was wondering if during cp ... the target file is lock? if the file is big |
| 00:37.40 | jetscreamer | no i rent all my intarweb needs |
| 00:37.50 | toor | Wesley: why u dont use the opensource module radeon? it works fine, with direct rendering support? |
| 00:37.56 | toor | -? |
| 00:38.28 | sine | bah |
| 00:38.31 | BeardlesNixCoder | I have this program that monitor directory ... and process file, it is processing file being copied or ftp witout waiting for copy or ftp process completed |
| 00:39.36 | Wesley | toor, will it work for a mobile firegl card? |
| 00:39.42 | BeardlesNixCoder | :) any opinion |
| 00:40.22 | unilynx | pipeline: it didn't change anything. i remember i had tried that before also. i still can't write to it as a user. |
| 00:40.23 | toor | Wesley: aehm, i think not, just for radeon, how the module name says :D |
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| 00:41.16 | Wesley | thats why i was asking for help ;) |
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| 00:44.54 | pipeline | unilynx: umask=002 mount option |
| 00:45.05 | Wesley | toor, thanks for your reply, but yea i need to get used to using online resources again. found help on the forums ;) |
| 00:45.56 | toor | k :) |
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| 00:47.41 | bobfarrell | I'm having a fair amount of trouble getting Apache to execute my perl scripts. I've installed the necessary apache module lib and the conf file for sites-available/default looks fine. Anyone think they could help me with this? |
| 00:48.06 | pipeline | general questions are free |
| 00:48.11 | pipeline | one on one help is consulting, and billed accordingly |
| 00:48.49 | BeardlesNixCoder | is that why no one answer my question just now :D |
| 00:49.13 | pipeline | No one answered your question because it didn't make any damn sense :P |
| 00:49.34 | BeardlesNixCoder | ok tell me why it doesnt make sense |
| 00:49.46 | BeardlesNixCoder | is it the wording or some technical impossibility |
| 00:49.50 | pipeline | I don't understand what you were asking. I can't make heads or tails of the sentence. |
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| 00:49.59 | pipeline | I am probably not alone on that one. |
| 00:50.44 | bobfarrell | Well, instead of executing the .pl file it just shows me the content of it. I've googled etc. but not had much luck. |
| 00:50.51 | bobfarrell | I suppose I should be asking in apache, actually. |
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| 00:51.23 | BeardlesNixCoder | :) |
| 00:51.28 | BeardlesNixCoder | okay let me repharase |
| 00:51.35 | Mike57bug | Can i get sshd on debian |
| 00:51.51 | BeardlesNixCoder | I'm monitoring a directory where file is being copied / ftp into the directory |
| 00:52.17 | BeardlesNixCoder | some big file is not copied / ftp instantly, so the monitoring program process incomplete file |
| 00:52.47 | BeardlesNixCoder | I though there is some kind of file locking that will make this imposible |
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| 00:53.05 | fastputty | someone know a way to connect with vpn to a vpn checkpoint box? |
| 00:53.23 | Mike57bug | Can i run sshd on debian |
| 00:53.40 | fastputty | Mike: yes |
| 00:53.45 | fastputty | sshd come by default wiht debian |
| 00:54.09 | Mike57bug | Cool thanx |
| 00:54.45 | BeardlesNixCoder | pipeline ... does that make sense |
| 00:54.45 | Mike57bug | Still same port 22 |
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| 00:56.37 | pipeline | BeardlesNixCoder: Yes, yes it does |
| 00:56.47 | pipeline | BeardlesNixCoder: And the answer is no, file locking is a pretty rare event in UNIX |
| 00:57.42 | pipeline | Mike57bug: check and make sure you have the "openssh-client" and "openssh-server" packages installed. |
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| 01:02.41 | unilynx | So is lvm the only way I can mount my secondary hd to the same mount point as my primary hd? I wanted to add more space and had heard of people doing this. |
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| 01:04.41 | pipeline | unilynx: yes and no |
| 01:04.48 | BeardlesNixCoder | :) how can I know whether a file is still being copied or the copy process is finish |
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| 01:04.51 | pipeline | unilynx: you probably don't want to do this at all |
| 01:05.03 | pipeline | BeardlesNixCoder: watch -n1 'du -ms thatfile' |
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| 01:05.09 | BeardlesNixCoder | uhh... in y c/c++ code |
| 01:05.20 | unilynx | pipeline: okay. would i just be better off to copy the contents of /home to the larger hd then adjust my fstab accordingly? |
| 01:05.28 | pipeline | unilynx: that would be the best way to go with this |
| 01:05.35 | unilynx | ok, thanks. |
| 01:05.42 | pipeline | unilynx: you could use unionfs or lvm, but this is not a good place to be doing either one of those. |
| 01:06.10 | Selenolycus | What are some nifty CLI games in the Debian repos? |
| 01:07.48 | amphi | Selenolycus: there's at least one z-machine interpreter, so you can play loads of infocom-style text games ('interactive fiction'), if you like that sort of thing |
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| 01:12.36 | Mike57bug | Cool thanx for tge info on the sshd |
| 01:13.37 | troubled | Selenolycus: theres a good one called gcc. Its cool, you make these tiny things called programs. Then you get to track down these giant bugs and kill them with your trusty sword of vi.... |
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| 01:14.20 | Penix | I can never get past that segmentation fault level |
| 01:14.34 | drbair-laptop | how do I make a -dev package with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 01:14.35 | digx | anyone know of a good program to rip *just* audio from a DVD? |
| 01:14.50 | troubled | ya, thats a tough one. I think you need to use your magical bag of gdb tricks |
| 01:14.54 | Penix | drbair-laptop: the same way you'd make a non-dev package |
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| 01:15.38 | amphi | digx: mplayer -audiodump dvd:// IIRC |
| 01:15.47 | Mike57bug | What about a denian streaming server |
| 01:15.49 | Penix | digx: something like mplayer's mencoder perhaps? afaicr it should support that |
| 01:15.52 | digx | amphi, mmmm cool |
| 01:15.55 | digx | thanks |
| 01:15.56 | drbair-laptop | Penix: jeez... I can't believe I missed that |
| 01:15.57 | amphi | digx: faster if you specify -vo null I think |
| 01:15.59 | drbair-laptop | thanks |
| 01:16.03 | Mike57bug | How hard is it to make |
| 01:16.04 | digx | rgr |
| 01:16.33 | amphi | digx: you can also specify an output filename, I forget the arg |
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| 01:16.57 | digx | np, I'll look it all up. Just needed that point in direction |
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| 01:31.40 | dalias | rotflmao: |
| 01:31.41 | dalias | ii iceweasel 2.0.0.6-1 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 01:31.51 | dalias | someone needs to fix that description |
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| 01:32.16 | dalias | it sounds like it's a cleaned-up and debloated version of firefox rather than firefox with a different name |
| 01:32.50 | earnest | Is there SLIME in a Debian package? aptitude search slime returns nothing. |
| 01:32.59 | dalias | what is slime? |
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| 01:33.30 | amphi | dalias: heh - I've gaped at 'lightweight' before in that description |
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| 01:33.48 | earnest | Slime is environment for Lisp writing under the GNU emacs. |
| 01:34.13 | dalias | seriously tho, beside 'lightweight' being absurd, it sounds like it's a fork of firefox with major differences in the form of reduced bloat |
| 01:34.17 | dalias | instead of just the same thing |
| 01:34.19 | earnest | It's easy to install, but I wish I could just apt-it. |
| 01:34.34 | dalias | earnest, ah. i dunno, ask #emacs maybe |
| 01:34.47 | earnest | Hehe, if I ask there, I bet they will send me here. :) |
| 01:35.08 | earnest | I will just do thing my way, then. :) |
| 01:36.07 | Penix | dalias: 'lightweight' does not imply that. it has that description because its the one the firefox package used. |
| 01:36.22 | dalias | i know it's not intended to imply that |
| 01:36.25 | Penix | and as everyone knows, firefox's original intention *was* to be a 'lightweight' version of mozilla |
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| 01:36.36 | Penix | or rather phoenix' intention |
| 01:36.37 | dalias | but imo it does imply that |
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| 01:36.53 | sine | what program can i use for rar files on linux |
| 01:36.55 | Penix | dalias: then discuss it with the iceweasel maintainers |
| 01:36.56 | dalias | and yes despite that original intention of phoenix, firefox is at least as big as mozilla... |
| 01:37.08 | sine | like a top notch support all type archive opener |
| 01:37.43 | Penix | sine: the, iirc, non-free unrar package or a frontend such as file-roller |
| 01:38.18 | dalias | btw |
| 01:38.38 | dalias | is there a reason debian unstable doesn't package fire^H^H^H^Hiceweasel betas and such? |
| 01:38.41 | earnest | I'm going to get slime from the CVS. :) |
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| 01:39.04 | Penix | dalias: afaik most distro's don't package test builds |
| 01:39.05 | ArtVandalae | sine: fileroller is the way to go, or KArchiver (I think that's what the KDE equiv is called) |
| 01:39.11 | Spiritus55 | What is the command to uncompress .bz2's? |
| 01:39.17 | Penix | Spiritus55: bunzip2 |
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| 01:39.29 | Spiritus55 | Thanks. |
| 01:39.31 | dalias | penix, well obviously not in their stable distros, but i figured it would make sense for unstable/experimental.. |
| 01:39.45 | dalias | after all using unstable is for insane folks who want the latest software |
| 01:39.49 | dalias | :P |
| 01:39.54 | dalias | (myself included) |
| 01:40.06 | sine | unrar worked fine thanks |
| 01:40.11 | Penix | dalias: I guess if you're that insane, a tarball build from mozilla.org isn't that crazy |
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| 01:41.11 | Penix | I suppose there might be an assumption that anyone interested in testing or help with the development of the latest mozilla branches are willing to go to the trouble of doing a custom build or something |
| 01:42.21 | Dewi | dalias: there are almost certainly firefox project nightly binaries too, but I don't know if they would be .debs |
| 01:42.29 | dondelelcaro | if you're going to do that, you might as well just start with the debian package and uupdate or similar to update the deb package. |
| 01:42.31 | Penix | the iceweasel situation wouldn't help alpha/beta packaging either |
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| 01:43.07 | dalias | dewi, they're not debs and they don't have the debian changes (s/firefox/iceweasel/) |
| 01:43.22 | dalias | and might not work right on debian.. i'll hack to check |
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| 01:43.29 | Dewi | dalias: you don't care about bugfixes though |
| 01:43.51 | dalias | i want to test firefox 3 beta to see if the m17n issues i care about are fixed yet |
| 01:44.00 | dalias | because the developers seem incompetent about that stuff... |
| 01:44.35 | Penix | dalias: I'm sure they'd appreciate your fantastic patches |
| 01:44.41 | dalias | :P |
| 01:44.55 | dalias | i won't touch that code |
| 01:45.09 | dalias | you'd need some 3ghz 4gb machine just to compile it... |
| 01:45.28 | dalias | but what i can do is tell them if they still have issues by testing lots of langs |
| 01:45.29 | Dewi | huh? |
| 01:45.40 | Dewi | pretty sure you can compile at any speed |
| 01:45.44 | Penix | dalias: in that case, I fail to see the benefit of a debian package |
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| 01:46.01 | dalias | dewi, too little memory => compile takes 1000x longer than it should due to constant swapping |
| 01:46.03 | Penix | if you're hell bent on testing something; tarball nightly build |
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| 01:46.25 | anandanbu | How to add a new user to the sudoers list in debian 4.0 |
| 01:46.27 | Dewi | dalias: I find it hard to imagine <5mb of binaries taking 4gb to compile |
| 01:46.31 | Penix | anandanbu: visudo |
| 01:46.34 | Dewi | anandanbu: run visudo |
| 01:46.42 | anandanbu | Penix: Can you help me with it |
| 01:46.44 | dalias | dewi, g++ takes huge amounts of memory |
| 01:46.49 | Penix | anandanbu: sure can, man visudo |
| 01:46.52 | Dewi | anandanbu: will open your editor with a representation of the sudoers file, see man sudoers |
| 01:46.55 | dalias | even plain gcc (C code) takes a lot |
| 01:47.16 | dalias | C modules that compile to only ~100k can take 200-300 megs of memory to compile |
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| 01:47.35 | dalias | and c++ is much worse |
| 01:47.41 | Dewi | I'm not sure I believe that |
| 01:47.44 | Penix | believe it or not, memory in the gigabyte ranges are very cheap today |
| 01:47.55 | Penix | or, is, perhaps |
| 01:47.57 | dalias | dewi, try compiling dsputil.c in libavcodec |
| 01:48.10 | anandanbu | Penix: what to do edit the file |
| 01:48.14 | dalias | $100 is not very cheap |
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| 01:48.16 | dalias | $1 is very cheap |
| 01:48.25 | dalias | and moreover memory for laptops costs a ton more |
| 01:48.30 | dalias | maybe $500 for that |
| 01:48.35 | Penix | maybe there's your problem |
| 01:48.42 | Dewi | dalias: why would you compile on a laptop if you think $100 isn't cheap? |
| 01:48.47 | Penix | try building mozilla on a normal desktop instead |
| 01:48.50 | dalias | dewi, ? |
| 01:49.11 | dalias | oh so now i'm supposed to buy a whole 'nother computer for it? WTF |
| 01:49.13 | Dewi | dalias: don't blame other entities for self-imposed problems |
| 01:49.15 | dalias | get your heads out of your asses |
| 01:49.27 | Penix | I'm sure building a cheap test system would be a lot easier than persuading the debian developers to package test builds of mozilla |
| 01:49.30 | dalias | bloat is mozilla's problem |
| 01:49.36 | Dewi | dalias: yeah, I do think if you're going to complain about the price of laptop hardware you could... not use one |
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| 01:49.53 | flyinprogramer | anyone know in mysql how to grant a user the privilege at a global level to create/edit/del any database he creates, but not anyother database another person creates? |
| 01:49.54 | dalias | dewi, i'm not complaining about the price of it |
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| 01:49.59 | dalias | i have no intention of buying more ram, ever |
| 01:50.05 | dalias | i already have a plenty |
| 01:50.13 | Penix | flyinprogramer: tried #mysql? |
| 01:50.14 | Dewi | dalias: and besides, I find it hard to believe you need massive system specs for normal builds. Is GCC really that bad? (I don't use it often) |
| 01:50.15 | dalias | i have every intention of flaming idiots who write bloatware |
| 01:50.19 | dalias | yes |
| 01:50.26 | dalias | gcc gets worse in that respect with every release |
| 01:50.26 | flyinprogramer | Penix i did |
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| 01:50.28 | Dewi | dalias: I mean I build PHP on 256mb of RAM without swapping |
| 01:50.30 | dalias | i'm on the mplayer dev team |
| 01:50.32 | flyinprogramer | i've been ignored |
| 01:50.36 | Dewi | dalias: quite regularly |
| 01:50.37 | dalias | php is not hard to build |
| 01:50.52 | dalias | again, watch the size of gcc while compiling dsputil.c in libavcodec |
| 01:51.01 | dalias | it uses something like 200-300 megs on gcc4 |
| 01:51.06 | Dewi | dalias: why ? |
| 01:51.09 | Penix | oh, wow, one C file in one library takes time to build on your system |
| 01:51.11 | dalias | only ~80-100 megs on gcc2.95 |
| 01:51.28 | Dewi | dalias: what makes that file so special? |
| 01:51.30 | dalias | penix, it takes time on your system too. probably about 10 seconds on your system. |
| 01:51.55 | Dewi | dalias: what reason do we have to believe that mozilla code is going to be more like libavcodec than it is like, say, php? |
| 01:52.16 | dalias | for one thing, it's c++ and g++ tends to use a lot more memory than the c compiler in gcc |
| 01:52.17 | flyinprogramer | yup, #mysql is useless |
| 01:52.34 | Dewi | dalias: that's not a reason |
| 01:52.41 | dalias | for another thing, i tried compiling mozilla years ago, and it was using huge amounts of ram |
| 01:52.47 | dalias | (i don't remember the exact amount) |
| 01:52.49 | Penix | dalias: what's your point? that gcc is crap? |
| 01:52.49 | Dewi | dalias: C++ has been around for decades |
| 01:52.55 | dalias | it also used >2gb of disk space for .o files |
| 01:53.13 | Dewi | dalias: well, that's what the bleeding edge is like |
| 01:53.21 | dalias | no, it's what bloatware shit is like |
| 01:53.27 | Dewi | dalias: you are imposing these requirements on yourself |
| 01:53.30 | dalias | mozilla is utter crap |
| 01:53.35 | Penix | dalias: stop trolling |
| 01:53.38 | dalias | it's just that we don't presently have anything better |
| 01:53.40 | Dewi | dalias: alright. |
| 01:53.45 | dalias | if opera would free the code, mozilla would die tomorrow |
| 01:53.53 | Dewi | dalias: it's free to use; go use it |
| 01:53.56 | dalias | (i hate opera as long as it's non-free, but it's much better) |
| 01:53.58 | Penix | dalias: the webkit developers would love to see your massive patchsets that reduce 'bloatware' |
| 01:54.09 | dalias | the patch is rm -rf and start over... |
| 01:54.15 | Penix | dalias: feel free |
| 01:54.16 | Dewi | huh? |
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| 01:54.25 | Dewi | webkit != mozilla |
| 01:54.31 | Penix | Dewi: yes. and? |
| 01:54.33 | Dewi | are you saying webkit is bloatcrap too? |
| 01:54.44 | NodeSurf | ( mumble ) remark command ( mumble ) |
| 01:54.47 | dalias | i have no idea what webkit is |
| 01:54.49 | Penix | Dewi: no, I'm suggesting a possibly less 'bloated' alternative |
| 01:55.05 | Penix | dalias: how surprising |
| 01:55.07 | Dewi | NodeSurf: etch's logcheck keeps sending me emails that look a lot like that |
| 01:55.13 | Dewi | dalias: that's hilarious |
| 01:55.19 | dalias | why? |
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| 01:55.23 | NodeSurf | dewi: lol |
| 01:55.29 | Penix | I hate trucks. they're so bloated. there's no alternative, damn it! |
| 01:55.34 | Penix | what's a motorbike? |
| 01:55.38 | Dewi | dalias: because it's the next most common free web browser engine? |
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| 01:55.56 | Dewi | dalias: has more marketshare than opera? |
| 01:55.57 | dalias | google says it's some apple crap |
| 01:56.05 | Dewi | dalias: then you don't know how to use google |
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| 01:56.10 | Dewi | dalias: apple uses webkit code |
| 01:56.14 | Gunner_Sr | how do I change etch from gnome to kde? |
| 01:56.35 | Dewi | Gunner_Sr: you can run both |
| 01:56.41 | Dewi | Gunner_Sr: but do you mean what loads on boot? |
| 01:56.51 | Gunner_Sr | yes, Dewi. |
| 01:56.54 | dalias | are there any viable browsers based on webkit? (free is a prerequisite for viable...) |
| 01:56.56 | popt | anyone could help, I need restore my internet connection |
| 01:57.00 | popt | on debian |
| 01:57.08 | Penix | dalias: Konqueror uses KHTML, which Webkit was forked from |
| 01:57.23 | Dewi | Gunner_Sr: replace gdm with kdm I think |
| 01:57.24 | popt | it's not pppoe or dsl internet connection |
| 01:57.26 | Penix | can't much more free than that |
| 01:57.27 | Penix | get |
| 01:57.30 | Dewi | Gunner_Sr: don't trust me too much though; I've never done it |
| 01:57.30 | dalias | i never had much luck with konq.. |
| 01:57.38 | Penix | dalias: that's nice |
| 01:57.45 | Gunner_Sr | do you have a URL with more information? |
| 01:57.51 | dalias | might try it again if anyone recommends it.. |
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| 01:58.04 | Penix | Gunner_Sr: you can just select a KDE session from your existing login manager (ie. gdm) |
| 01:58.11 | dalias | does it have decent support for nonlatin text? |
| 01:58.16 | popt | I connect to internet via a company network |
| 01:58.18 | Dewi | dalias: that sounds like bloat to me |
| 01:58.20 | Penix | dalias: I'm sure the Konqueror/KDE site would know |
| 01:58.23 | Penix | heh |
| 01:58.26 | dalias | no |
| 01:58.34 | Gunner_Sr | Penix: do I need to install kde via apt? |
| 01:58.34 | Dewi | dalias: I cut that shit out of codebases when I see them. Bloody bloat. |
| 01:58.40 | Dewi | dalias: I mean what do they think they are doing? |
| 01:58.40 | Penix | Gunner_Sr: ofcourse |
| 01:58.46 | popt | which command should I run to detect connection? |
| 01:58.50 | dalias | dewi, quit trolling fucking spoiled american brat |
| 01:58.57 | Penix | ffs |
| 01:58.59 | Penix | !troll dalias |
| 01:59.00 | Gunner_Sr | Penix: thxs :-) |
| 01:59.00 | Dewi | dalias: hah, I'm not american you idiot |
| 01:59.00 | dalias | with new $2000 computers every 6 months |
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| 01:59.07 | Penix | !ops dalias |
| 01:59.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: penix complains about: dalias |
| 01:59.07 | dalias | well you sure act like it.. |
| 01:59.16 | popt | usually, just plug in a cable to notebook would work without config... |
| 01:59.24 | popt | for a freash install debian |
| 01:59.46 | dalias | proper text rendering support is not bloated |
| 01:59.48 | Penix | popt: probably dhcp |
| 01:59.49 | Dewi | dalias: is it just possible I'm satirising your own stupid arguments in favour of "everything for nothing" and us magically reducing your self-inflicted misery? |
| 01:59.54 | popt | Im just unsure which config file I've messed up? |
| 01:59.55 | dalias | unless you have a shitty implementation like pango |
| 02:00.15 | Penix | just ignore the silly troll |
| 02:00.25 | Dewi | dalias: I don't really think internationalisation is bloat. But I do think it comes at a cost and I'm not going to go complaining about how much RAM it takes to compile mozilla, WHICH I never need to do. |
| 02:00.41 | Dewi | Penix: yah I'm done |
| 02:00.47 | popt | and now when I plug in a cable to pc, it doesn't detect any internet connection |
| 02:00.53 | popt | what's wrong with it? |
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| 02:01.04 | popt | but on windows pc, its ok |
| 02:01.19 | dalias | if you rtfm the docs and follow what they say and use the tables provided, rather than writing 100k of senseless script-specific CODE per script, then things are very light and easy |
| 02:01.26 | dalias | s/docs/unicode docs/ |
| 02:01.29 | dalias | sorry i left out a word |
| 02:01.29 | Dewi | popt: it depends whether your network interface is configured to automatically configure itself |
| 02:01.35 | Dewi | popt: okay that sounded funny |
| 02:01.40 | dalias | so anyway guys |
| 02:01.49 | popt | Dewi: thanks |
| 02:02.02 | dalias | this conversation looks to me like i asked for something reasonable (iceweasel 3 alpha package) |
| 02:02.08 | Penix | hah |
| 02:02.12 | popt | could you point me a way, say use command line as root to config it> |
| 02:02.13 | popt | ? |
| 02:02.14 | dalias | if debian devs don't want to provide it that's fine, but it's a reasonable thing to ask for |
| 02:02.29 | dalias | then i get blasted and ridiculed for complaining about bloat |
| 02:02.33 | Dewi | dalias: no you asked for something ridiculously specific to you and only you, and then gave a bunch of really poor excuses as to why you can't do it yourself |
| 02:02.39 | Penix | dalias: I'm sure the iceweasel maintainer would much rather hear it than us. we have nothing to do with the packaging of said software |
| 02:02.41 | dalias | and then penix goes and whines about me |
| 02:02.48 | popt | how to do this --> 'whether your network interface is configured to automatically configure itself' |
| 02:02.53 | Dewi | dalias: this isn't a dev channel, btw |
| 02:02.55 | dalias | dewi, asking for iceweasel 3 is not ridiculous |
| 02:03.06 | Penix | 'bloat' is the number one weapon in a troll's arsenal |
| 02:03.08 | dalias | and difficulty of compiling your own is a good reason to want to have it packaged... |
| 02:03.11 | Dewi | dalias: no, it's not, but demanding that somebody do it for you is |
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| 02:03.22 | dalias | i never demanded anything |
| 02:03.26 | dalias | i said i thought it would be useful |
| 02:03.38 | dalias | and asked if there's a reason why it's not packaged |
| 02:03.40 | Penix | dalias: and we tried to explain why it hasn't been done and most likely won't |
| 02:03.48 | dalias | (which might be as simple as "no one has the time") |
| 02:04.01 | Dewi | dalias: the hilarious thing is that every single one of your complaints about how hard it (probably) is to build, might well be reasons it is not packaged |
| 02:04.15 | dalias | :) |
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| 02:04.26 | dalias | well, iceweasel 2.0 is packaged, so the deb maintainer must be able to compile it |
| 02:04.36 | Penix | dalias: again, speak to the maintainer then |
| 02:04.38 | dalias | ok |
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| 02:05.14 | popt | anyone? |
| 02:05.22 | dalias | and i'm sick of being called a troll for complaining about bloat |
| 02:05.29 | Penix | popt: misconfigured dhcp server? might have to configure manually |
| 02:05.48 | Penix | dalias: the stop complaining about bloat and *do* something about it |
| 02:05.52 | dalias | when you want to deploy free software in communities where upgrading computers is simply not an option, bloat is a serious problem |
| 02:06.00 | dalias | i have done some things about it |
| 02:06.03 | popt | my company has static IP, I have 192.... ip |
| 02:06.17 | dalias | but not enough, you're right |
| 02:06.29 | popt | is it a possible misconfigured dhcp server issue? |
| 02:06.37 | Dewi | popt: do you have a DHCP server? |
| 02:06.46 | popt | no, |
| 02:07.06 | Dewi | popt: then windows would not "just start working" when you plugged it in. It's not psychic. |
| 02:07.08 | popt | 192,168,1.10 that's DNS I use |
| 02:07.09 | dalias | i agree that complaining about bloat itself doesn't make it go away |
| 02:07.28 | dalias | but complaining about people who apologize and make defensive arguments for bloat is worthwhile imo |
| 02:07.45 | dalias | if there were more of a public anti-bloat sentiment, developers might work harder to keep their stuff from getting bloated |
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| 02:07.56 | Penix | dalias: see, 'bloat' is such a vague term |
| 02:08.09 | Penix | dalias: and usually implies a lack of understanding |
| 02:08.09 | popt | how to? |
| 02:08.13 | dalias | and people with fast computers could actually _enjoy_ the speed rather than having the same performance they had with old software on their 386 20 years ago.. |
| 02:08.46 | Dewi | popt: assuming your system is aware of the networking hardware (look for an eth* device in ifconfig -a) |
| 02:08.49 | klhrevolutionist | where to get a good sources.lst for "Debian Etch" |
| 02:08.52 | Penix | yeah, because we had ajax and flash websites 20 years ago |
| 02:08.54 | dalias | penix, bloat is what happens when you use a whole elaborate string construction library with 10 layers to print every message to stdout, when "printf" would have done the same thing... |
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| 02:09.01 | popt | I never config network interface after a freash install debian4 |
| 02:09.08 | flyinprogramer | klhrevolution, what do you mean by "good" |
| 02:09.08 | Dewi | popt: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces to configure the interface... here's an example of my eth0 configuration block... http://pastebin.com/m68852069 |
| 02:09.10 | popt | it works out of box |
| 02:09.17 | dalias | (citing svn client) |
| 02:09.19 | popt | but now it doesnt work |
| 02:09.27 | Penix | dalias: I can't wait to see the results of your gecko and pango rewrites |
| 02:09.30 | Dewi | dalias: um |
| 02:09.35 | Dewi | dalias: when you say things like that |
| 02:09.36 | popt | yes, ifconfig |
| 02:09.41 | popt | can detect eth0 |
| 02:09.44 | Dewi | dalias: it sounds like you have NFI how multilingualism is done at all |
| 02:09.48 | flyinprogramer | klhrevolutionist, what do you mean by good |
| 02:09.50 | dalias | dewi, huh? |
| 02:09.55 | Dewi | dalias: if everyone just printf'd strings as you suggest, there would be no multilingual support |
| 02:10.02 | Penix | heh |
| 02:10.11 | dalias | you're thinking of i18n, not m17n. |
| 02:10.12 | klhrevolutionist | flyinprogramer: A sources.lst that can allow me to install, glchess, alltray, etc.. |
| 02:10.23 | dalias | however printf works just fine with gnu gettext... |
| 02:10.25 | popt | thank you |
| 02:10.32 | Dewi | dalias: hence my incredible subtle "ugly american" satire before where I told you that m17n was bloat. Because by your definition, it IS. |
| 02:10.40 | dalias | no, it's not |
| 02:10.45 | dalias | reread what i said |
| 02:10.49 | flyinprogramer | klhrevolutionist, that i don't know, but obviously the file is, /etc/apt/source.list, good luck editing it |
| 02:10.50 | popt | Dewi: but what's diff between address and gateway |
| 02:10.54 | popt | dumb Q |
| 02:11.00 | Penix | dalias: I don't care how I sound right now, but, no one here cares. really. no one. |
| 02:11.04 | Dewi | popt: gateway is where packets for other subnets need to go |
| 02:11.08 | popt | I mean how to fill this 2 ips |
| 02:11.16 | Penix | dalias: again, I'm sure the developers of the software you have problems with would enjoy your feedback and code contributions |
| 02:11.18 | Dewi | popt: because you are not directly wired to the whole world. Gateway can connect you to the world |
| 02:11.18 | klhrevolutionist | flyinprogamer: what do you know ?? |
| 02:11.22 | dalias | calling gettext (which btw is a bloated implementation, but not _severely_ so) has nothing to do with elaborate string-construction libs |
| 02:11.31 | Penix | haha |
| 02:11.35 | Penix | what isn't bloated? |
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| 02:11.47 | dalias | penix, no, if i submitted a patch that removed all their useless layers and simplified the code, they'd laugh and reject it... |
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| 02:11.48 | Dewi | popt: if you don't need internet access you might not need a gateway |
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| 02:11.53 | dalias | because they spent lots of time on those layers |
| 02:11.54 | popt | is this IP address my company's gateway or DNS? |
| 02:11.55 | Penix | dalias: then write your own |
| 02:12.00 | Penix | dalias: and convince everyone to use it |
| 02:12.05 | Penix | dalias: you're not convincing anyone here |
| 02:12.07 | dalias | for some things i do |
| 02:12.10 | Dewi | popt: gateway and DNS are often the same address |
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| 02:12.19 | dalias | or i support someone else who's doing it |
| 02:12.22 | Dewi | popt: because many gateways do DNS forwarding |
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| 02:12.34 | dalias | either with patches, bugreports, etc. or promotion of their work |
| 02:12.36 | Dewi | popt: but these are questions for your network administration |
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| 02:12.52 | dalias | maradns is one of the first such projects i helped with |
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| 02:13.01 | Penix | stupid removalists blasting their shite music outside my door |
| 02:13.02 | dalias | not coding, but testing and encouraging |
| 02:13.06 | Penix | I'll show them :) |
| 02:13.12 | dalias | penix, :) |
| 02:13.13 | popt | but I never config this before, since it's out of box after a freash installation debian |
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| 02:14.28 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 02:14.36 | popt | I just don't know why it suddenly doesn't work any more |
| 02:14.40 | dalias | wtf |
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| 02:14.55 | flyinprogramer | hello ? |
| 02:14.57 | Dewi | popt: if you don't have a DHCP server then it wouldn't have worked until you configurd it |
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| 02:15.12 | Dewi | popt: we can't possibly know how your network is laid out |
| 02:15.20 | popt | oh |
| 02:15.30 | Dewi | popt: I just pasted you my own configuration, but yours will obviously differ depending on your network |
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| 02:15.50 | Dewi | popt: but that was certainly a real example, I am using that interface to talk to you right now |
| 02:15.52 | popt | thanks |
| 02:16.08 | geo-rge | hello . |
| 02:16.12 | popt | I'll boot back debian, lets give a try |
| 02:16.25 | kritical | Wow... people flood freenode?... but freenode is awesome ;( |
| 02:16.29 | Dewi | popt: oh, to apply changes in /etc/network/ you can usually go 'ifdown eth0' |
| 02:16.30 | dalias | wow, firefox 3 alpha doesn't work at a.. |
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| 02:16.32 | dalias | all.. |
| 02:16.34 | Dewi | popt: then 'ifup eth0' to bring it up again |
| 02:16.40 | Dewi | popt: if it is eth0 we are talking about... |
| 02:16.40 | popt | but do you know which command broken my interface config file |
| 02:16.48 | dalias | it runs but displays blank pages with no text |
| 02:16.53 | popt | It "used to" WORK |
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| 02:17.09 | Penix | dalias: time to do some debugging work and file a bug report |
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| 02:18.11 | geo-rge | oic, |
| 02:18.46 | dalias | penix, i think it just doesn't work with the debian libs. probably some minor abi difference with debian's cairo verison or something |
| 02:18.54 | geo-rge | I'm sitting down right after some folks can't figure out what the version was the first time |
| 02:18.55 | dalias | which is why a debian build would be nice.. |
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| 02:19.03 | sparr | how can i clear bash's cache of executable locations? i had /usr/bin/foo and deleted it, replaced by /usr/local/bin/foo, but bash still looks for /usr/bin/foo when i type foo |
| 02:19.49 | Penix | sparr: modify your PATH variable |
| 02:19.50 | amphi | sparr: rehash |
| 02:19.55 | sparr | amphi: thanks |
| 02:20.07 | sparr | hmm |
| 02:20.11 | sparr | where might i get that? |
| 02:20.23 | amphi | sparr: doesn't work in bash? |
| 02:20.40 | sparr | not that i can see |
| 02:20.44 | amphi | sparr: oops, no it doesn't ;) |
| 02:21.04 | dalias | sparr, help hash |
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| 02:21.17 | dalias | hash -r |
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| 02:21.45 | sine | what can i use to jaz up x or make the terminal windows translucent or somthing |
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| 02:21.55 | sparr | thanks dalias and amphi |
| 02:22.04 | sine | do i have to run a different shell script |
| 02:22.06 | sparr | sine: a good window manager |
| 02:22.30 | magic_pinguim | i cant bealiver my isp is bloking access to thinkwiki.org and some others places :x |
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| 02:22.44 | amphi | magic_pinguim: your isp blocks thinkwiki? wtf? |
| 02:22.47 | magic_pinguim | is thinkwiki.org down ?! |
| 02:22.51 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: Why would they do that? |
| 02:22.54 | sine | isnt gnome a good window manager |
| 02:23.03 | amphi | magic_pinguim: nope |
| 02:23.18 | magic_pinguim | amphi unfurtunatlly ... this is one ddemocracy liberty ... plae and looks it happpens |
| 02:23.29 | amphi | magic_pinguim: does it resolve? |
| 02:23.58 | magic_pinguim | amphi Wyzard i call to they and after 5 days and one callthey dont send they tell to me thta the problem is form they and it was resolved but now ... |
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| 02:24.10 | popt | thanks Dewi, will try now |
| 02:24.23 | magic_pinguim | im using opendns and everything ... ...and nathing so make sme think it is bloked is in using another dns server ... |
| 02:24.25 | amphi | magic_pinguim: does 'host thinkwiki.org' return an ip address? |
| 02:24.35 | amphi | magic_pinguim: oh |
| 02:25.01 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard amphi probably ... because some post i send because they are bloking some websites thye dont want like websiets to dont access to mp3 .... |
| 02:25.15 | magic_pinguim | and tis stuff so i make one post ... only if was because of that :X |
| 02:25.40 | magic_pinguim | persons whith less then 1 km of distance using the same isp cna acess the ebsiets i cant |
| 02:25.55 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: I'm surprised if they're blocking any websites at all, actually |
| 02:25.58 | magic_pinguim | i try whith linux others distos xp vista .... nathings .. another pc .... |
| 02:26.09 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard well im suprosed to ... |
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| 02:26.31 | magic_pinguim | this i snot china it is one freecountryportugal i think |
| 02:26.37 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: I don't know what country you're in, but under US law, an ISP that blocks "objectionable" websites can be held responsible for anything it doesn't block but "should", so it's a big risk |
| 02:27.13 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard do you think www.thinkwiki.org it is one risk? |
| 02:27.30 | geo-rge | just what the Apple Macintosh line needs... iSnot |
| 02:27.32 | magic_pinguim | im try to set uo my wireless im getting cruisel lol |
| 02:27.32 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: Of course not, but that's not what I mean |
| 02:27.34 | magic_pinguim | :x |
| 02:28.03 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard yes but why persons that are less then 1 km of me ... using the same isp can acess and i dont? |
| 02:28.17 | magic_pinguim | and they tell to me it is not blocked it was one dns problem ... |
| 02:28.26 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: That sounds like maybe it's a technical problem on your end, and not actual blocking |
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| 02:28.30 | magic_pinguim | after allmost one week ... i speak |
| 02:28.47 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: I was going to suggest DNS too... someone asked you earlier whether you can resolve thinkwiki.org to an IP |
| 02:29.21 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard ... loook i change dns ... server im using opendns ... and nathing ... so the proble it is not the dns ... |
| 02:29.23 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: DNS changes take time to propagate, so depending on what the problem was, after they fix it it might take a few days before it actually starts working |
| 02:29.32 | geo-rge | unless you have logs covering the whole thing it's moot now |
| 02:29.32 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: OK, so you just can't connect to the IP? |
| 02:30.01 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: http://78.47.222.144/ -- does that work? |
| 02:30.04 | magic_pinguim | butifim using another dns server and i cant connect to some address what i can think it isprobablly itisgetting blocked from me and not from persons that are in 1 km of me using the same isp |
| 02:30.18 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard yes im connect to my isp im here talking whith you lol |
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| 02:30.49 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard not working :x |
| 02:31.08 | magic_pinguim | i try beford to catch the ip and nathing to .... |
| 02:31.25 | geo-rge | not working for me too |
| 02:31.38 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: hmm... oddly, for some reason I can't connect to that by its IP now either, even though I did just a minute ago |
| 02:32.01 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge and can you access www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 02:32.30 | geo-rge | yep, thinkwiki is fine |
| 02:32.34 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard you shure about that?! |
| 02:32.50 | magic_pinguim | sometimes the same ip have many address names :X |
| 02:32.52 | Wyzard | This is weird... if I use the link from my IRC window, the site doesn't load... but if I just type "http://78.47.222.114/" into my browser's address bar, it works |
| 02:33.06 | magic_pinguim | butitry whith windows and nathing to :x andanother computer |
| 02:33.40 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard that why im say im get blocked for some reason :x |
| 02:34.04 | magic_pinguim | im using others dns servers "opendns" and everything and nathing ... |
| 02:34.18 | geo-rge | it's gotta be a conspiracy... the chinese (or italian? hmm, us?) government made them change providers so that no one could find them... then they did the evil thing... they made them change the dns to point to the new ip so that they could be found... |
| 02:34.24 | magic_pinguim | this is one free country and there are no laws to the isps blocke the acess .... |
| 02:34.41 | magic_pinguim | im not in china im in Portugal lol this is one free country lol |
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| 02:35.19 | popt | thank you, Dewi |
| 02:35.24 | popt | it works! |
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| 02:35.29 | sir_mud | hello, i have a question about options enabled in debian's stock kernels, looking for PREEMPT |
| 02:35.55 | popt | but I didnt edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:36.03 | popt | after reboot, it works again |
| 02:36.13 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: Manually type "http://78.47.222.144/" into your browser's address bar, and see if that works |
| 02:36.31 | geo-rge | sir_mud: you can look at the config file that comes in /boot with every stock kernel and see if the preempt is set |
| 02:36.33 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard> nathing |
| 02:36.39 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: dunno then |
| 02:36.52 | popt | in gnome, administration--> Networking, it list DNS(it's already there) |
| 02:36.53 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard that why im say im getting blocked ... |
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| 02:37.25 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: I don't really think it's blocking, though... I can't load the site by its IP either if I use the link from my IRC client |
| 02:37.31 | sir_mud | geo-rge: well, it isn't with the default 486 kernel, my connection speed is pretty limited because of issues with my wifi card that i need PREEMPT for apparently |
| 02:37.32 | popt | my interfaces file only have 2 lines: # The loopback network interface |
| 02:37.32 | popt | auto lo |
| 02:37.32 | popt | iface lo inet loopback |
| 02:37.37 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: I don't know why that happens, since it works if I type the address manually |
| 02:37.48 | popt | has two lines |
| 02:37.50 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard look ... |
| 02:38.04 | Wyzard | sir_mud: preempt is not enabled on sid's amd64 2.6.22 either... it's probably disabled on all of them |
| 02:38.13 | geo-rge | do you need "capabilities" too? |
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| 02:38.33 | sir_mud | dang, that's what i feared, guess i get to compile my own then XD |
| 02:38.42 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard i know i know i know that can have many reasons ... bla bla bla ... but i try diferente computers diferents ... dns servers opendsn i try the ip now ... and beford to .. and everyone i know can acess th ewebsiets i cant ... |
| 02:39.05 | magic_pinguim | persons that are living less then 1 km of me using the same isp the same dns servers .... |
| 02:39.26 | magic_pinguim | itry whithout firewall diferents operating systems and everything ... and opendsn to |
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| 02:40.07 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: hey I have a question for ya... can you get to this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 |
| 02:40.26 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: I can't connect with "nc -vv 78.47.222.144 80" |
| 02:40.38 | geo-rge | if so... have fun for a coupla hours |
| 02:40.38 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge yes i can get the video it is notfirefox problem ... |
| 02:40.57 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: and I'm not using the same ISP as you (I'm not even in the same country) |
| 02:40.59 | magic_pinguim | javascript enabled ... i try diferente os diferent computers :x |
| 02:41.06 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: so it might just be technical problems with the site |
| 02:42.04 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard if you can access the website ... why i cant?! if they blocke in the website ... my isp the persons that are 1 km of me they are blocked to acess thewebsite to right?! |
| 02:42.14 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: watch that movie... it -could- be affecting you some years from now |
| 02:42.26 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard it is not only one website it is many websitesssss |
| 02:42.37 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: What I'm saying is that I *can't* consistently access the website |
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| 02:42.40 | geo-rge | that is if the guy that made that movie is not coocoo |
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| 02:42.57 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard im say that this happend to me to many websites there ... |
| 02:43.46 | magic_pinguim | many of then the problem is i really needto see thsis one im try to putwireless here ::x need some new kernel compile :x to work whith driver :x |
| 02:44.01 | magic_pinguim | i se ein the google they have nformaiton baout that there :x |
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| 02:44.16 | Guerin | ein google! |
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| 02:44.26 | magic_pinguim | i dont know :X |
| 02:44.29 | Nyle | ey |
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| 02:46.33 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard geo-rge is not starngeto me they get piss of whith biggest irc server portuguese and some important isp ... more then one just block the adress resolution to acess the irc server need to use the ip ... yes they heremake things like thta sometimes a litle stupid |
| 02:47.11 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: ohhh, I see... this is about you and your access to an irc server |
| 02:47.12 | magic_pinguim | it isnot legal but they do it |
| 02:47.12 | magic_pinguim | :x |
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| 02:47.37 | geo-rge | what's the address of the server? |
| 02:47.43 | wellons | So let's say I want to make a multi-page banner. Is there software that can do this? I can't find a way in either scribus or inkscape. |
| 02:47.58 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge no ... i was talking about one situation that the block the adress in they dns servers ... that isnot the first time they blockthings like that |
| 02:48.16 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: who does the bandwidth belong to? |
| 02:48.28 | Wyzard | geo-rge: the paying customer |
| 02:48.55 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge usually every isp portuguese are connected to one place ... |
| 02:48.59 | magic_pinguim | less 2 ... |
| 02:49.23 | Iridos | wellons: scribus can't do it?! |
| 02:49.23 | magic_pinguim | everyone belongs to thegovernement have allmost 50% of the leader ... in the company |
| 02:49.39 | geo-rge | true. so... let's see... you have an irc server whose owners are paying for bandwidth... |
| 02:49.44 | geo-rge | am I right so far? |
| 02:49.44 | Iridos | wellons: I guess you just make your page in inkscape, then find a way to print it on multiple pages... |
| 02:50.00 | Guerin | surely ... you're not saying that big business is in the pocket of the government! |
| 02:50.05 | Guerin | say it ain't so! |
| 02:50.18 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge no i dont have one irc server im justtry to access to www.thinkwiki.org/ lol |
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| 02:50.45 | geo-rge | so it's not working for you? |
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| 02:51.54 | magic_pinguim | no not working ... and some persons thatisin 1 km of me using the same isp the same dns servers and everything it works but not here ... i call they and they syait is one marconi company problem ... butnow it isthe same stuff again ... i really need to call they ... or change isp ... |
| 02:52.42 | wellons | Iridos: I am still looking in Scribus, but it doesn't look like what I need. Thanks :-P |
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| 02:54.04 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim have you tried a traceroute to the site? |
| 02:54.51 | Absolute0 | i have a database with y values and i want plot it in a graph and then add events to the plot such that when i click on certain points in the plot i get a more detailed zoomed in plot, is this possible in python? I tried matplotlib but i am not sure if thats what i need to use |
| 02:54.54 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: If the ISP was blocking access to the site, other customers using the same ISP wouldn't be able to reach the site either |
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| 02:55.37 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard right ... so ... they are bloking the access only to me ... |
| 02:55.42 | magic_pinguim | that what i say |
| 02:55.49 | magic_pinguim | looks like |
| 02:55.57 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: It's much more likely that it's just a technical problem on your end |
| 02:56.14 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: It doesn't make any sense for an ISP to block access to a bunch of non-objectionable websites for one customer only |
| 02:56.37 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard ... i try diferent linux distributions i try opendsn ... i trywindows xp itry windows vista ... itry whithout firewalls and everything ... |
| 02:56.39 | geo-rge | unless you are running open proxies or open mail relays |
| 02:56.47 | magic_pinguim | diferent computers |
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| 02:57.01 | magic_pinguim | im not expert but not so newbie :x |
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| 02:57.32 | elenril | how much usable is KDE4 in experimental? |
| 02:57.33 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: have you tried traceroute |
| 02:58.01 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge i think one time ... good idea :x |
| 02:58.39 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: maybe you will find out where the block is |
| 02:59.05 | geo-rge | let's get even more basic than that: can you ping the site? |
| 02:59.10 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge thank you very much :) |
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| 02:59.57 | geo-rge | don't thank me so soon... I agree with wyzard right now, that the problem is some technical thing and more probably than not, on your end |
| 03:00.07 | geo-rge | that would be our guess |
| 03:01.50 | Iridos | wellons: interesting, I see what you mean now |
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| 03:04.45 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge even whith clean instalations?! |
| 03:05.14 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge yes it can be but last time i call thye they tell it was they problem ... |
| 03:05.20 | magic_pinguim | not my problem |
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| 03:07.40 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: It could be "their problem", but still an unintentional problem |
| 03:07.51 | Wyzard | magic_pinguim: rather than intentional blocking |
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| 03:08.25 | Iridos | night Wyzard |
| 03:09.11 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard it works fine for more 2 o 3 days and then ... same thing again :x neversayit was unintentional or intentional but that is bloking me and not the others is really happend |
| 03:09.15 | geo-rge | I used to have wizzers |
| 03:09.48 | magic_pinguim | Wyzard good night :) |
| 03:11.03 | geo-rge | yeah, 'nite |
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| 03:16.13 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: yaknow, thru all this, as we ask you for specific results (can you ping, what are the results of traceroute on the site, for just the two specific questions that I asked), you havent' responded... why? :) |
| 03:17.53 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge i got the pings blockedfrom the routers and need to reboot to acess it ... and disabled icmps there i think |
| 03:18.24 | magic_pinguim | ok just one second |
| 03:18.26 | magic_pinguim | reboot |
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| 03:19.45 | maxamillion | is anyone familiar with how to get the network-manager-pptp plugin working on etch? ... i can't seem to find docs anywhere |
| 03:20.11 | Iridos | wellons: "looks you here": http://www.nabble.com/-Bug-142557--New:-Poster-command-doesn't-work--ghostscript's-poster-expects-EPS-but-kprinter-sends-it-PS-t3355306.html |
| 03:20.53 | Iridos | well, it's a bug report, but I think it describes what you want: "Kprinter allows the user to enlarge a document into a poster printed on multiple pages. It apparently does this by feeding the raw PostScript document to the ghostscript "poster" command. However, "poster" expects EPS files, not plain PostScript files. As a result, many (or most) documents get mangled and don't print properly." |
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| 03:22.35 | Iridos | wellons: so you could either try using kprinter (the bug does not seem to be fixed, though) or you could use "poster" directly |
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| 03:23.54 | Filipenc | Lets say I have 2 ADSL modem/roters in my LAN. 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 - Then i setup eth0:0 with some IP and route to 192.168.1.1 and eth0:1 with some IP and route to 192.168.1.2 - can i use bonding to load balance and failover eth0:0 and eth0:1 ? |
| 03:24.14 | Guerin | Filipenc: #networking |
| 03:24.20 | Filipenc | oh ok sorry |
| 03:24.24 | Guerin | bizarre, but true |
| 03:24.27 | Guerin | :) |
| 03:24.45 | Guerin | Filipenc: your answer might also be on lartc.org |
| 03:24.57 | Guerin | though I haven't read the thing for a while |
| 03:25.00 | Filipenc | cool thanks |
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| 03:26.45 | Iridos | wellons: "photoprint" can do the same for you as "poster", it seems |
| 03:27.49 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge dont work open the terminal start to ping the adress afterping the address start to give me the ping back ... try in the firefox and it works ... now whith ip and from the domain to |
| 03:28.21 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: by any chance, are you runnign a caching dns? |
| 03:28.22 | magic_pinguim | the strange was the opendns gets blocked now |
| 03:28.45 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge i dont install nathing of that here in my debian i think lol :X |
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| 03:29.28 | geo-rge | it could have been that the dns address was cached by something |
| 03:29.31 | magic_pinguim | now itdont work again i cant bealiver :x |
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| 03:32.03 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: if you do dig mediawiki.org, do you get the address? (the output is a screenful, don't paste it here) |
| 03:32.27 | geo-rge | dig will tell you "how many answers" it supplied |
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| 03:34.16 | magic_pinguim | geo-rgei check somethingif i got the firewall i can access only to a few websites (firestarter here only now) ifi turn itoff i can access to the others websites strange |
| 03:34.21 | geo-rge | I get this line (among others I will not paste here): ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
| 03:35.05 | geo-rge | if you could show me that line and one other, that begins ";; SERVER:" near the bottom |
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| 03:36.08 | wellons | Iridos: I just noticed your messages now. Yeah, I just found out about the poster command and am reading about it now. |
| 03:36.49 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: so turning this firestarter off causes you to be able to access everythying you could not before? |
| 03:37.16 | geo-rge | (if yes... problem found to be on your side as suspected, and solved.) |
| 03:37.41 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge looks like ifiturn it one looksdont resolve some websites ... the firestarter (strange) |
| 03:37.42 | magic_pinguim | reboot |
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| 03:39.04 | GuHHH | hi! anyone knows a good site for security? and a good site to implemente secure services, with tutorials? |
| 03:39.32 | geo-rge | GuHHH: google for "good site for security and tutorials" |
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| 03:39.44 | geo-rge | also see "rusty's unreliable guides" |
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| 03:40.14 | GuHHH | oh yeah |
| 03:40.32 | GuHHH | i will find a lot of sites that self-entitle as 'good sites' |
| 03:40.33 | GuHHH | lol |
| 03:41.19 | geo-rge | so given you realize that (remember "good" is YOUR word), what do you mean by good? |
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| 03:42.02 | geo-rge | maybe you should try before complaining about a result you only think you're going to get :) |
| 03:42.07 | GuHHH | well, im a kind new is this area, so maybe someone more experienced could help :) |
| 03:43.01 | geo-rge | maybe. take a look at the results first... maybe after that, you'll have new enlightenment so your questions will be about things that are closer to what you're really interested in |
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| 03:43.42 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge yup only turn of the firestarter it works :x only whith no firewall lol strange |
| 03:43.48 | geo-rge | you say you're a newbie now... if you do that, the newbieness will fade and you'll have learned something toward being a buru |
| 03:43.58 | geo-rge | err |
| 03:44.05 | geo-rge | geing a guru |
| 03:44.07 | geo-rge | ARGH |
| 03:44.22 | geo-rge | you get the idea :P |
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| 03:45.01 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: glad you found the problem :) |
| 03:45.56 | magic_pinguim | finnally :) |
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| 03:48.42 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: now having said all this... this is not to say that there will never be blockages out there... but the reasons for them will rarely be on purpose |
| 03:48.48 | geo-rge | however |
| 03:48.51 | geo-rge | see that movie |
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| 03:49.09 | piecesandbits | Hi all! For the life of me I can't get lirc in lenny 2.6.21. I have read there is a problem with lirc in 2.6.21.....can anyone confirm? |
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| 03:49.22 | geo-rge | and think about how the things that it shows may affect you in the next years |
| 03:49.38 | dotz | hi, i'm on etch and i need some packages like |
| 03:49.38 | dotz | libdivxdecore, libxvidcore, |
| 03:49.38 | dotz | libmp3lame, libdivxencore |
| 03:49.41 | maddash | why does dpkg-buildpackage need to be root? |
| 03:49.54 | dotz | but apt-get doesn't have.. what resporsity should i add? |
| 03:49.55 | maddash | dotz: debian multimedia, debian unofficial |
| 03:49.55 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge it works whith option "trafic validation" disabled :x lol :x |
| 03:49.59 | geo-rge | it doesn't, youy can fakeroot |
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| 03:50.19 | maddash | geo-rge: but why does it even need to bother with root in the first place? |
| 03:50.33 | Rusty1 | GuHHH: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/ for a start |
| 03:50.40 | geo-rge | well becasue builting a package means creating files that will be owned by root |
| 03:50.42 | Guerin | stupid slashdotters |
| 03:50.52 | Guerin | the GPL is NOT a fucking contract |
| 03:51.07 | Guerin | how have they managed to avoid this simple piece of information all these years? |
| 03:51.11 | geo-rge | hence the L |
| 03:51.16 | GuHHH | Rusty1: thanks :) |
| 03:51.17 | maddash | oh, I see. |
| 03:51.27 | dotz | maddash: sorry do u mean deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch multimedia and deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch unofficial ? |
| 03:51.44 | geo-rge | Rusty1: are the unreliable guides ones you wrote? |
| 03:51.49 | Guerin | GuHHH: well, yes and no. Something can be called a licence and still be a contract. But the GPL is not one such thing. |
| 03:51.52 | maddash | dotz: heck no |
| 03:52.16 | openpen | Hello everyone, is everyone interested in system management (Open Source of course ;)) or can someone tell me when I can find developers who may be interested ? |
| 03:52.23 | maddash | !tell dotz debian-multimedia |
| 03:52.26 | maddash | !tell dotz about debian-multimedia |
| 03:52.35 | Rusty1 | geo-rge: neg |
| 03:52.35 | Guerin | openpen: don't pimp your wares here |
| 03:52.51 | maddash | Guerin: license. |
| 03:53.32 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge you have saint pacience whith me lol :x i allmost it swore i have try whith no firewall :x and need to check the others os to :x thank you very much :) |
| 03:53.39 | maddash | patience |
| 03:53.39 | dotz | maddash: thanks..what about unofficial? |
| 03:53.42 | maddash | almost |
| 03:53.51 | Guerin | maddash: licence. |
| 03:54.00 | maddash | dotz: google it, dude. isn't it enough that I told you about it? |
| 03:54.28 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: saint patience? no, my attention was scattered, but it's good that you could find what was causing the problem... bu |
| 03:54.41 | geo-rge | by the way, without the firewall, can you ping noe? |
| 03:54.57 | maddash | Guerin: license. unless you're Canadian, eh? |
| 03:55.09 | Guerin | maddash: learn to English. I'm not Canadian. |
| 03:55.15 | dondelelcaro | you say grey I say gray, you say color, I say colour, you say license, I say licence, you say aluminum I say aluminium... |
| 03:55.24 | dondelelcaro | both are acceptable, actually. |
| 03:55.35 | maddash | Guerin: how do I "English," oh wise one? |
| 03:55.51 | maddash | dondelelcaro: er, wtf is aluminium? |
| 03:55.53 | dondelelcaro | (though license is more prevalent) |
| 03:56.05 | geo-rge | maddash: you have to twist your wrist when you shoot |
| 03:56.09 | Guerin | maddash: you can probably get competent tuition from a native speaker in your area. |
| 03:56.16 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge nop ping is blocked only the option "trafiic on public places " that was blockings me access some websites |
| 03:56.24 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: coors is also more prevalent than beer. |
| 03:56.28 | magic_pinguim | sometimes |
| 03:56.29 | geo-rge | maddash: the stuff that is said to give you alzheimer's when it burns |
| 03:56.29 | magic_pinguim | :c |
| 03:56.31 | magic_pinguim | :x |
| 03:56.39 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: bud, man, bud.. |
| 03:56.41 | Guerin | (in some benighted places) |
| 03:56.47 | maddash | geo-rge: ow. |
| 03:57.03 | dotz | upon apt-get update i get W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D5642BC86823D007 |
| 03:57.05 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i didn't use bud because of the actual real bud from budweis |
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| 03:57.32 | maddash | dotz: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+unofficial+gpg&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 03:58.01 | Guerin | anyway, this GPL-is-not-a-contract-goddamnit troll was brought to you by the letters `F' and `riday' |
| 03:58.09 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: that can't use its real name 'cause of trademarks? ;-) |
| 03:58.16 | maddash | 'riday' isn't a letter |
| 03:58.28 | maddash | Guerin: :P I'll go away. |
| 03:58.43 | Dewi | Guerin: we're not making ourselves conspicuously antipodean enough. I was accused of being an American earlier |
| 03:58.47 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: in some jurisdictions, yes. My former employer was prepared to fight a lawsuit against Anheuser-Busch on that one, but they backed down. |
| 03:59.08 | geo-rge | Guerin: hmm, a license is not a contract... what is it that is missing from a license that makes it fail contractness? |
| 03:59.09 | Guerin | Dewi: strewth, mate, that's a bleedin' traj. |
| 03:59.14 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, always found that amusing |
| 03:59.17 | geo-rge | just curious |
| 03:59.21 | Guerin | geo-rge: depends on the particulars. |
| 03:59.41 | dondelelcaro | it's a pity that the US had prohibition; the mass produced beer wouldn't suck so bad if we hadn't |
| 04:00.11 | Dewi | Guerin: heh. If somebody approached me talking like that, I'd have to conclude they were from an unusual area of London. |
| 04:00.15 | geo-rge | when was prohibition? |
| 04:00.18 | Guerin | geo-rge: eben moglen is the canonical resource on this, re the GPL. And a superb public speaker to boot. |
| 04:00.19 | geo-rge | what years? |
| 04:00.30 | Guerin | geo-rge: 1919-33 |
| 04:00.35 | Guerin | or perhaps late 32 |
| 04:00.38 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 04:01.22 | Guerin | in nz we never had prohibition, but we had laws which meant the pubs all had to close at 1800. |
| 04:01.37 | Guerin | they were implemented during WWII and not repealed intil the 1970ss |
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| 04:02.01 | Dewi | Guerin: that's a bloody outrage that is |
| 04:02.04 | Guerin | known as the `six o'clock swill' since there was time to knock off work, run to the pub, and drink nine or ten half-pints of beer before they shut the bar |
| 04:02.07 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, london had some strange ones like that; pubs had to close at 1P or something |
| 04:02.18 | dotz | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> <-- badsig .. its still there after i add the key in |
| 04:02.22 | dondelelcaro | (and reopen at 5) |
| 04:02.30 | Dewi | Guerin: lots of WWII stuff didn't get repealed for absolutely ages. |
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| 04:02.36 | Guerin | had a slightly similar effect to prohibition, in that the sly-groggers made more money than the publicans |
| 04:02.37 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm really surprised about it |
| 04:02.46 | Guerin | Dewi: much of it still stands, yes. |
| 04:02.49 | Dewi | Guerin: even down here |
| 04:03.10 | Dewi | Guerin: I didn't know until recently that even Australia had something like decades of rationing |
| 04:03.15 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 04:03.18 | Guerin | ridiculous, eh |
| 04:03.27 | Dewi | Guerin: I can't believe people stood for it |
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| 04:03.31 | Guerin | all that arable land on the coast and in the south ... and nobody working it |
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| 04:03.36 | Dewi | Guerin: makes the bullshit we put up with now look almost reasonable, I'm sorry to say |
| 04:03.49 | broken | I've just turned on my laptop but Idon't think the fan is working anymore.. |
| 04:04.03 | broken | Is there something in debian that handles this? |
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| 04:04.22 | Guerin | broken: depends. it may tuirn on when it gets hot enough. |
| 04:04.40 | Guerin | anyway, i'm off to the pub. |
| 04:04.40 | broken | Guerin: am i not taking somewhat of a risk if i leave it on to test that? |
| 04:05.01 | Dewi | broken: knowing laptops that will be very vendor-dependant. One would hope that in the absense of an OS to talk to about ACPI it would have sensible defaults.... |
| 04:05.05 | Guerin | broken: not really. Most of them will crash before they suffer heat damage. |
| 04:05.17 | Guerin | broken: you can toggle the battery manually using acpi(1) |
| 04:05.24 | Guerin | (or any number of other tools) |
| 04:05.33 | Dewi | broken: maybe run some monitoring stuff (or just leave it on your lap!) |
| 04:05.46 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge but what makes me thiking is because my isp call metothe phone and say it was they problem andit is resolved ... and i have the same configuratins and beford it was working :X and then after 3-5 days startto have the same problem ... |
| 04:05.51 | broken | Maybe thats how its always been and i havent noticied it... we shall see then. Thanks. |
| 04:06.31 | Dewi | broken: laptops *do* turn fans off when they aren't necessary because they would be quite a sink for battery power |
| 04:06.32 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: we still decided it's your firewall thing, right? |
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| 04:07.10 | broken | Dewi: ther she goes, its on now. |
| 04:07.21 | jpin | Anyone knows with std::max would not work with g++? |
| 04:07.23 | Dewi | broken: neat |
| 04:07.26 | geo-rge | it's good you're thinking during this process... because you learn some aspects of how your system really works |
| 04:07.26 | jpin | *with=why |
| 04:07.34 | broken | Its probably because i left it off for so long it just had time to cool off. |
| 04:07.50 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge no im just thinking that after they call me to the phone whith the same configuratins i got here in the firewall it was working ... and then after 3-5 days happens the same and i dont change nathing :x |
| 04:08.29 | geo-rge | I'm guessing their dhcp expired your lease and your firewall didn't recompute itself |
| 04:08.32 | broken | Just one more question before I retire to bed, usually to dim the screen on laptops its Fn+F6 but that doesn't work by default on my system, perhaps there is a package im missing? |
| 04:09.16 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge i dont know :x strange it is working now that good :) no problem :) thanks |
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| 04:09.49 | geo-rge | what you might do is leave your machine on and monitor your external IP and see if it changes |
| 04:10.02 | geo-rge | if yes, that can explain why sometimes you didn't get out |
| 04:10.10 | rvalles | Removing peercast-servent ... |
| 04:10.10 | rvalles | Stopping Peercast peer to peer broadcasting: invoke-rc.d: initscript peercast-servent, action "stop" failed. |
| 04:10.13 | rvalles | dpkg: error processing peercast-servent (--remove): |
| 04:10.13 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:10.15 | rvalles | how do I rid of this package? |
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| 04:10.47 | dotz | why do i keep getting W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) ? is it the server's fault or mine? |
| 04:11.32 | rvalles | I modified the script to always exit 0 |
| 04:11.37 | rvalles | lets see if I'm lucky |
| 04:11.43 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge maby i dont know :x |
| 04:12.09 | geo-rge | how do you find out what your external IP is? |
| 04:12.17 | dondelelcaro | dotz: /topic |
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| 04:14.05 | CpuWhiz | i want to get luks working for root + swap with debian 4, but i boot the cd and there is no cryptsetup or even apt-get/aptitude to install it in the live enviroment |
| 04:14.39 | maddash | dotserver's fault. |
| 04:15.13 | maddash | dotz: ^^ |
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| 04:15.37 | CpuWhiz | do you get a lot of ubuntu question in here is something? |
| 04:16.04 | rvalles | 1it worked :) |
| 04:16.06 | maddash | CpuWhiz: yeah. |
| 04:16.17 | GuHHH | hey |
| 04:16.32 | GuHHH | what package i need to run java on web browser? already have jre |
| 04:16.33 | dotz | ok thanks.. |
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| 04:17.36 | maddash | GuHHH: MOST LIKELY, SUN-JAVA*-PLUGIN |
| 04:17.37 | CpuWhiz | is there a way to apt-get a package while the install disc is booted or do i need to respin a disc with cryptsetup somehow |
| 04:17.50 | GuHHH | well, theres no one |
| 04:17.55 | maddash | CpuWhiz: YES. |
| 04:18.07 | maddash | CpuWhiz: chroot into /target, and apt-blah. |
| 04:18.07 | CpuWhiz | to which part of my question |
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| 04:19.00 | CpuWhiz | but i want to create and mount my encrypted root before installing it |
| 04:19.14 | Jaggz- | Is there any way of making jigdo worthwhile? |
| 04:19.18 | maddash | CpuWhiz: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+encrypted+root+tutorial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 04:19.35 | Jaggz- | It misses tons of packages that it keeps picking up over many many manual runs of the thing |
| 04:19.45 | Jaggz- | I'm so sick of it |
| 04:20.11 | Jaggz- | I should have downloaded the .iso from one of the ftp sites straight through, using wget to continue if I had to. |
| 04:20.13 | CpuWhiz | have you tried any of these or are you just linking me to a google page i could have searched for... |
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| 04:20.53 | maddash | CpuWhiz: i've an encrypted root. and the google link was a hint at the fact that your question covers well-trodded ground. |
| 04:21.06 | geo-rge | jigdo isn't worthwhile? |
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| 04:21.09 | maddash | CpuWhiz: btw, things run slow as well |
| 04:21.34 | Jaggz- | geo-rge, is there a way for it to be? |
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| 04:21.43 | geo-rge | CpuWhiz: try it and see |
| 04:21.53 | dondelelcaro | Jaggz-: unless the mirror that you're running against is total garbage, it normally works just fine. |
| 04:21.59 | Jaggz- | I've spent 2 days returning to this thing to re-run it to pick up extra packages it misses |
| 04:22.08 | CpuWhiz | i have luks aes encryption on my ubuntu desktop system, trying to add it to a lan server i want debian on, i don't notice a major slowdown |
| 04:22.15 | geo-rge | CpuWhiz: btw, were you expecting that someone owed you an answer? :) |
| 04:22.15 | Jaggz- | us.cdimage.debian.org |
| 04:22.49 | dondelelcaro | Jaggz-: use a normal mirror that is actually close to you; cdimage is only for downloading isos |
| 04:22.53 | Jaggz- | and some packages have been updated -- I'm not sure how to handle this |
| 04:22.57 | Jaggz- | http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-l10n-el_2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch1_all.deb |
| 04:23.08 | maddash | CpuWhiz: I wasn't trying to be antipathic to your cause, but google is the easiest way for both of us. |
| 04:23.09 | dondelelcaro | uh... why are you building a snapshot cdimage? |
| 04:23.21 | maddash | hahahaha |
| 04:23.34 | geo-rge | oh no... a snapshot cd image... |
| 04:23.36 | CpuWhiz | i like the top link... "a live cd that supports cryptsetup (I prefer a Kubuntu live cd, maybe Knoppix will do the job, too)" |
| 04:23.51 | CpuWhiz | so in other words don't use the debian install disc to install debian |
| 04:23.57 | Jaggz- | debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.jigdo Did I accidentally chose snapshot jigdo files?? |
| 04:24.31 | geo-rge | that looks like latest etch i386 |
| 04:24.33 | maddash | CpuWhiz: actually, the top link is http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/428 |
| 04:24.46 | CpuWhiz | sorry, the one right bellow that from the same site |
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| 04:25.06 | CpuWhiz | no wait, yeah, that one |
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| 04:25.26 | Jaggz- | yeah, but it's the -el language set.. can't find what that is. The filename's are different though |
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| 04:25.42 | chowmeined | What was the reasoning behind not using anaconda? |
| 04:25.59 | maddash | they're huge? and nasty? and often fatal? |
| 04:26.29 | Jaggz- | jigdo's looking for: openoffice.org-l10n-el_2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch1_all.deb but the site only has openoffice.org-l10n-el_2.0.4.dfsg.2-7_all.deb (no "etch1" in the name) |
| 04:26.43 | CpuWhiz | maybe i could just install it w/o encryption, boot into kubuntu, tar it up and transfer it to a encrypted partition, chroot and fix any issues |
| 04:26.47 | dondelelcaro | Jaggz-: the mirror you're pulling from is outdated |
| 04:27.06 | dondelelcaro | Jaggz-: you want to use something like http://http.us.debian.org or http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu or similar. |
| 04:27.13 | chowmeined | maddash: to get that meaning from my question, you'd have to assume im not using proper grammar.. but i wasnt |
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| 04:27.33 | Jaggz- | berkeley's probably close to me |
| 04:27.39 | Jaggz- | both in cali. anyway |
| 04:28.15 | Jaggz- | it's just so slow -- for getting a full image it would have been better for me to just get the .iso I think |
| 04:28.30 | Jaggz- | anyone have experience with ubuntu server? |
| 04:28.37 | maddash | chowmeined: I think the word you're looking for is, "homonym" |
| 04:29.05 | Jaggz- | dondel, thanks |
| 04:29.10 | Jaggz- | everyone, thanks |
| 04:29.13 | chowmeined | maddash: using an anaconda.. or using anacondas |
| 04:29.39 | geo-rge | Jaggz-: well... no... would I need such experience to use debian? |
| 04:29.51 | Jaggz- | it could help |
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| 04:30.05 | Jaggz- | but no, jumping right into debian is perfectly fine |
| 04:30.39 | Jaggz- | I'm just wondering about Ubuntu server's setups where it has some automatic setups of a few configurations |
| 04:34.46 | dondelelcaro | there's really not much configuration for servers that needs to be done |
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| 04:34.47 | dotz | can i just add /usr/local/lib in my /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu.conf ? |
| 04:34.47 | Jaggz- | I've not found any docs (yet) on what those configurations are |
| 04:34.47 | Jaggz- | just the one LAMP comment they make on their site |
| 04:34.47 | Jaggz- | and I don't really want a LAMP setup :) |
| 04:34.48 | geo-rge | so there'd be nothing stopping me if I did go that route? no showstopping dependency on something? |
| 04:34.48 | geo-rge | I wouldn't have to know anything at all about ubuntu? |
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| 04:35.10 | maddash | whoa |
| 04:35.10 | dotz | to register /usr/local/lib ld.so.conf.d, all i need to do is to add this into /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu.conf ? |
| 04:35.10 | Jaggz- | netsplits aren't that common on freenode are they?? |
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| 04:35.27 | Jaggz- | dondel, but it's like trusting their choice of which packages/servers to use :) |
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| 04:35.30 | Jaggz- | I edited that sentence and it didn't come out well |
| 04:35.46 | Jaggz- | looks like it's just LAMP or DNS server. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-704-feisty-fawn-lamp-server-setup.html |
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| 04:36.32 | Jaggz- | one thing I liked about ubuntu was that 2 1/2 years ago they put the wireless patches into the kernel, which I needed for my thinkpad. |
| 04:36.54 | dotz | to register /usr/local/lib ld.so.conf.d, all i need to do is to add this into /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu.conf ? or add in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 04:38.15 | Jaggz- | is ld.so.conf split into a dir of libs now too? I didn't know. |
| 04:38.46 | Jaggz- | it used to be just adding the directory to ld.so.conf, but it's worthwhile to see how the "new" directory structure method works |
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| 04:39.58 | maddash | Jaggz-: ubuntu's got nothing to do with the wireless patches. kernel.org does. |
| 04:40.18 | maddash | anyone know any hot girl who are into debian? |
| 04:40.21 | maddash | me neither. |
| 04:40.24 | Jaggz- | I'm pretty sure I read that ubuntu included some patches to the stock kernel, maddash |
| 04:40.33 | dotz | Jaggz-: erm.. |
| 04:40.35 | maddash | Jaggz-: show me. |
| 04:40.36 | Jaggz- | but maybe I'm wrong |
| 04:40.43 | Jaggz- | 2 1/2 years ago I tell ya! |
| 04:41.02 | dondelelcaro | those modules have always existed, but separated out |
| 04:41.06 | dotz | Jaggz-: should i add a include infront of /usr/local/lib ? |
| 04:41.09 | Jaggz- | I need food.. I haven't eaten in 15 hours |
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| 04:41.20 | Jaggz- | dotz, I don't know -- it's new to me |
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| 04:41.30 | p4c0 | hello guys |
| 04:41.52 | ricky | For me, /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf already has /usr/local/lib in it. |
| 04:42.10 | dondelelcaro | you just m-a a-i ipw3945; or similar. |
| 04:42.31 | dotz | ricky: ic ok |
| 04:42.46 | dotz | ricky: what about /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
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| 04:42.57 | p4c0 | guys, I'm trying to make a debian package using debconf, but the postinst script for example exits always that a command return something different than 0, i need to use grep to validad possible actions based on what's present in the system at that moment, how can I avoid the efect of -e for some commands?? |
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| 04:43.07 | dalias | hey penix |
| 04:43.09 | ricky | That just includes /etc/ld/so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 04:43.20 | dalias | was it you that suggested konqueror? |
| 04:43.35 | dotz | ricky: right..thanks |
| 04:43.52 | dondelelcaro | p4c0: you're presumably using grep in some sort of if statement. |
| 04:44.07 | geo-rge | griff! |
| 04:44.10 | dondelelcaro | p4c0: if not, you should be, or you should be otherwise || true'ing. |
| 04:45.16 | p4c0 | dondelelcaro, hum, i'm just doing: IS_VALID=`echo $SOMETHING | grep $OTHER`; if [ -z $IS_VALID]; then ... |
| 04:46.11 | p4c0 | dondelelcaro, what does command || true means? |
| 04:46.48 | dondelelcaro | p4c0: you should be doing something like if echo "$SOMETHING" | grep -q "$OTHER"; then ... |
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| 04:47.19 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly not even using grep) |
| 04:47.36 | maddash | p4c0: I could help if you could clarify your original question (in particular, "for example exits always that a command return something different") |
| 04:48.25 | p4c0 | what if the command return something different than 0? |
| 04:48.49 | dondelelcaro | p4c0: since it's in an if statement, that's the same as failure, so it continues on. |
| 04:49.02 | maddash | p4c0: so you want to figure what possible values are returned? |
| 04:49.18 | maddash | p4c0: so, `grep return [script]`? |
| 04:49.52 | dondelelcaro | p4c0: man bash; and search for Exit immediately |
| 04:50.00 | p4c0 | thank you guys |
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| 05:02.03 | thirst | when I do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" how can I hold back one package from being upgraded. I dont want to upgrade wine, as the newer version breaks IE4linux |
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| 05:03.31 | dondelelcaro | !hold |
| 05:03.31 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 05:04.18 | thirst | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 05:07.37 | GuHHH | how can i change my system language? |
| 05:08.25 | GuHHH | LANG=us-en (example) on /etc/profile ? |
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| 05:08.38 | Iridos | apropos wine... I distinctly remember that wine around potato worked with chemdraw... now it only shows black boxes what would be the simpelst way to get that old wine (temporarily?) installed next to the current one? |
| 05:09.14 | Jaggz- | sorry all.. I'm not trying to be rude... I know we were having an engaging conversation and all, but some company came over |
| 05:09.15 | Iridos | GuHHH: yes, that's a possibility... |
| 05:09.17 | p4c0 | humm if grep -q exits always why 0, how does if echo "$AA" | grep -q "$BB"; works?? |
| 05:09.30 | Jaggz- | (yes, at 9:30pm suddenly someone shows up at our door) |
| 05:09.37 | Iridos | GuHHH: or in .profile? |
| 05:10.05 | GuHHH | /etc/profile |
| 05:10.26 | craig | Anybody know of a decent package for playing streaming music via commandline? |
| 05:10.30 | Iridos | GuHHH: I meant you can do that on a per-user basis in $HOME/.profile |
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| 05:11.05 | Iridos | mplayer? |
| 05:11.28 | Iridos | seems mplayer is in etch |
| 05:11.33 | GuHHH | Iridos: i see... but what if i want it to be default for everyone? |
| 05:11.55 | Iridos | GuHHH: yes... /etc/profile should work |
| 05:12.17 | Iridos | and you need of course have the locale installed |
| 05:12.33 | craig | hmm, does mplayer work via commandline? |
| 05:12.40 | Iridos | !locale |
| 05:12.40 | dpkg | well, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 05:14.28 | rmoar | is there any advantage to use amd64 debian for a desktop machine? |
| 05:14.39 | GuHHH | no |
| 05:14.47 | GuHHH | just disvantages |
| 05:14.57 | Iridos | p4c0: -q: Exit immediately with zero status ***if any match is found*** |
| 05:15.09 | craig | rmoar : I did for a while |
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| 05:15.13 | GuHHH | disadvantages |
| 05:15.17 | craig | rmoar : it was pretty good, but had no flash player |
| 05:15.25 | p4c0 | Iridos, oh, thanks ;) |
| 05:15.27 | Iridos | rmoar: if you have > 4GB of RAM, you can address it :) |
| 05:15.28 | GuHHH | and no flash plugin |
| 05:15.30 | craig | rmoar : it's decent otherwise though |
| 05:15.34 | GuHHH | and ... and... and... |
| 05:15.47 | GuHHH | and i cant run google-earth, and... and... |
| 05:16.09 | craig | it's slightly faster |
| 05:16.13 | GuHHH | i use 64bits, and i know really well why u shouldnt do the same |
| 05:16.38 | craig | there are some applications for which it is good. desktop apps are not those |
| 05:16.54 | Iridos | and don't try to run a 32bit system with a 64bit kernel, if you want to use the nvidia binary driver :-P |
| 05:17.08 | craig | hah |
| 05:17.20 | craig | it sucks to have to use the nvidia binary no-source-provided driver |
| 05:17.47 | Iridos | well, it sucks *more* to have no grapics acceleration |
| 05:17.54 | GuHHH | better than ati |
| 05:17.55 | GuHHH | ;P |
| 05:18.08 | GuHHH | Iridos: why dont? |
| 05:19.05 | Iridos | GuHHH: because you cant install that combination |
| 05:19.08 | Iridos | simple, eh? :) |
| 05:19.16 | GuHHH | ive had to download xserver-xgl from ubuntu to make my ati run 3d acceleration on debian |
| 05:19.47 | Iridos | well, not anymore |
| 05:19.57 | Iridos | dpkg sais, at least... dont have an ati card |
| 05:19.57 | GuHHH | not? |
| 05:19.58 | Iridos | !ati |
| 05:19.58 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 05:20.06 | GuHHH | lol |
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| 05:20.37 | valdyn | GuHHH: you mean: to run compiz / beryl |
| 05:20.45 | GuHHH | yes... |
| 05:21.15 | valdyn | i think fglrx supports aiglx now. |
| 05:21.23 | GuHHH | does it? |
| 05:21.24 | GuHHH | ;O |
| 05:21.38 | GuHHH | after all this work i did? lol |
| 05:22.19 | Iridos | ok... nite guys |
| 05:23.34 | GuHHH | gn |
| 05:24.17 | liable | not yet |
| 05:24.30 | liable | next version *apparently* |
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| 05:25.08 | drako | OT, anyone know about snakes? |
| 05:25.25 | liable | what about em? |
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| 05:27.07 | behrad | how can i install packages that start eith somthin? like xchat* |
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| 05:28.52 | liable | dpkg -i xchat* |
| 05:28.52 | dpkg | package xchat* is already installed |
| 05:29.21 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 05:29.21 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 05:29.32 | behrad | liable, i want install package from repository and with aptitude |
| 05:29.40 | GuHHH | how can i connect to irc, through a proxy that blocks irc? |
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| 05:29.55 | liable | behrad: you cant use wild cards with apt-get |
| 05:30.12 | liable | not without some sed/awk foo |
| 05:30.28 | GuHHH | apt-cache search |grep xchat.* |
| 05:30.43 | uski | if i have a file with - r-x --- --x permission and user:group as owner, who can execute the file ? i believe that everyone except people in group can, is that correct ? |
| 05:30.59 | GuHHH | only owner |
| 05:31.03 | behrad | liable, wildcard?can you give me an example? |
| 05:31.14 | liable | behrad: * is a wildcard |
| 05:31.22 | GuHHH | uski: only the owner, to execute a file u need r + w |
| 05:31.39 | valdyn | r+w? umm |
| 05:31.43 | uski | GuHHH: you mean r+x |
| 05:31.50 | GuHHH | behanw: try: apt-cache search |grep xchat.* |
| 05:31.57 | GuHHH | yeah, sorry, lol |
| 05:31.58 | uski | thanks |
| 05:31.59 | behrad | liable, aptitude didnt work with wildcard! |
| 05:32.01 | uski | np |
| 05:32.03 | maddash | GuHHH: that won't work. |
| 05:32.08 | GuHHH | it works |
| 05:32.08 | liable | behrad: thats what i said.. |
| 05:32.09 | GuHHH | ;) |
| 05:32.27 | maddash | GuHHH: you're a moron |
| 05:32.32 | GuHHH | yes |
| 05:32.34 | behrad | GuHHH, thanks |
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| 05:33.21 | yigal | behrad: aptitude install `aptitude search ~dxchat | awk '{print $2}'` |
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| 05:33.41 | K`zan | anyone here using tvtime on a Leadtech tv2000xp expert and a kernel other than 2.6.18-5-k7 and have it work ?!? |
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| 05:34.45 | behrad | yigal, that is.. thanks |
| 05:35.02 | uski | and if i have a directory with d rwx rws --- permissions... is that the sticky bit ? which only allow the people in the owner group to delete/rename items in that dir ? |
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| 05:35.18 | K`zan | Best I have been able to do is the stock 2.6.18.5 kernel (make oldconfig with the .config from the one kernel it appears to work with) which gets a pix on tvtime, but does not allow you to change the channel. |
| 05:36.01 | yigal | behrad: if you tried to install xchat before, it may not have worked, you have to fiddle with the script if you want to use it to install other stuff |
| 05:37.00 | Jaggz- | I'm running it again and it's getting more packages |
| 05:37.17 | Jaggz- | and I'm using the recommended berkeley server you said |
| 05:37.30 | Jaggz- | (thanks, by the way) |
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| 05:41.01 | K`zan | Guess not. Well, thank anyhow, good night. |
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| 05:41.50 | Jaggz- | why did jigdo return to the command prompt if it didn't get all the files?? |
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| 05:45.02 | Jaggz- | better if downloading the original iso from scratch to just grab the whole .iso file and not do the jigdo dance |
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| 05:51.26 | catbo1 | when is the KDE 4.0 available on debian ? |
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| 05:52.12 | EruditeHermit | hey, has anyone tried and got the radeon 6.7.* to work with Xorg? |
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| 05:54.02 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 05:54.28 | craig | Hello!! |
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| 05:55.26 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:55.46 | Azar | omg abrotman is not here, I can ramble! |
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| 05:58.07 | Azar | so soon madwifi gets the boot and athk5 goes in... |
| 05:58.45 | liable | madwifi will continue to be for a while |
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| 05:59.00 | liable | ath5k has very limited chipset support atm |
| 05:59.28 | Azar | yeah, but I have a huge question re: athk5... bit ashamed to ask but I will try |
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| 06:00.15 | Azar | it seems that Theo's team managed to create big issue out of nothing, when we will see them off our backs? |
| 06:01.01 | Blackgoth | good moining |
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| 06:02.20 | Azar | liable: it looks like OBSD is not ok with athk5 being implemented in the linux kernel.. |
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| 06:02.58 | liable | Azar: the fsf lawers are working out the legalities. i haven been following it because its just a lot of ranting |
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| 06:03.36 | hatter | which file tells me what version of debian i have on a server ? |
| 06:03.46 | Blackgoth | debian_version |
| 06:04.03 | hatter | blackbart, ah thc |
| 06:04.19 | Azar | liable: yeah E.M. got a bit upset about mouths running loose |
| 06:04.48 | liable | Azar: so does anyone who has to deal with theo |
| 06:04.52 | Azar | liable: seen the latest with the first lawsuit going on about BusyBox code? |
| 06:05.02 | liable | nope |
| 06:05.07 | Blackgoth | you found it hatter? :) |
| 06:05.09 | Azar | uh the first |
| 06:05.32 | Azar | http://lwn.net/Articles/250798/ |
| 06:05.54 | liable | heh, i'm reading lwn atm, will get to that one in a sec ;) |
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| 06:08.00 | hatter | Blackgoth, thats it thx |
| 06:08.11 | hatter | oops said that |
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| 06:11.42 | Azar | freaking holy happiness!!! Lotus on Debian? me loves Lotus! |
| 06:12.22 | Azar | ew |
| 06:12.29 | Azar | needs windows and wine? |
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| 06:14.06 | aspWork | hi guys, i am having problems installing fglrx under sig, the fglrx-driver complains that xserver-xorg needs to be >= 1:7.1.0 but i have 1:7.3+2 and the ati one complains about ABI missmatch when i try to load it, any ideas on how to solve either problem? |
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| 06:16.35 | Azar | aspWork: never used ATI but settings depend on your Debian version, kernel version, in order to "maybe" have a debian-way installation of the driver |
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| 06:17.29 | aspWork | Azar, yes, the ati one i built against my kernel, but i guess there is some kind of missmatch there still since i get the ABI error |
| 06:17.51 | Azar | !fglrx |
| 06:17.52 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 06:18.42 | aspWork | Azar, aha, thnx |
| 06:18.51 | Jaggz- | jigdo-file print-missing --template debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.template displays 506 lines of errors on [, ], and #'s, then the final 506 line before 4667 lines of md5 sums -- but not |
| 06:18.51 | Jaggz- | 506: Label name contains invalid character `[' |
| 06:18.51 | Jaggz- | MD5Sum:AAjcZ6V47aQlu1J0MLilWg |
| 06:18.53 | aspWork | how do i downgrade xorg? |
| 06:20.15 | Azar | uh dunno, I don't run xorg, and never downgraded something |
| 06:20.22 | wols | !downgrade |
| 06:20.22 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 06:20.29 | wols | if you really want to do it: manually |
| 06:20.30 | Azar | this is really funny! http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200709/error'd/mp3.mp3.jpg |
| 06:20.37 | wols | dpkg -l |grep xorg is a good start |
| 06:20.38 | dpkg | ii |grep xorg is a good start 2.2-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:20.43 | Azar | good evening honorable wols! |
| 06:20.52 | wols | good morning |
| 06:21.12 | Azar | uh you are in some other worlds.. is 11:00pm here in California |
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| 06:22.28 | aspWork | wols, ie, remove xorg and then install it from another rep, or? |
| 06:22.35 | Azar | this screen does not look like some window app... may be a mac? http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200709/error'd/wingdings.jpg |
| 06:22.47 | aspWork | otherwise ill just have to live with vesa, its not like i run beryl anyway =) |
| 06:23.15 | Azar | aspWork: the pains of running testing/unstable? |
| 06:23.26 | aspWork | azar, yeah |
| 06:23.47 | Azar | aspWork: man, you are so free to test all kind of variants! |
| 06:24.09 | EznorbYar | so i'm installing debian on my other comp as we speak... |
| 06:24.10 | Azar | grab it, compile it, force it.. |
| 06:24.25 | EznorbYar | any helpful advice for the noobiest of noobs? |
| 06:24.27 | Azar | !congratulate EznorbYar |
| 06:24.27 | dpkg | Yay EznorbYar, you did it! |
| 06:25.02 | Azar | EznorbYar: sit on "apt", "dpkg", learn command line basics, file manipulations.. |
| 06:25.41 | Azar | EznorbYar: new at linux in general, or just Debian? |
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| 06:25.50 | EznorbYar | linux in general |
| 06:25.58 | Azar | ok |
| 06:25.59 | EznorbYar | been using windows my entire life |
| 06:27.13 | Azar | EznorbYar: ok Debian Etch comes with nice desktop, icons ... etc.. but try make time to learn a bit about command line |
| 06:27.15 | defrysk | EznorbYar, just get ready for a culture shock |
| 06:27.16 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 06:27.33 | EznorbYar | i'm not sure if i have etch or not |
| 06:27.43 | EznorbYar | i'm installing the version off of goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 06:27.50 | Azar | EznorbYar: well what is coming down the wire today is Etch (stable) |
| 06:27.57 | EznorbYar | ok |
| 06:28.07 | Jaggz- | http://www.thefunnydogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mad.jpg |
| 06:28.08 | defrysk | etch = 4.xxx |
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| 06:28.18 | Azar | Debian has three versions: Etch 4.0 - stable, Lenny - testing, and Sid - unstable |
| 06:28.19 | Jaggz- | that's from this page: http://www.thefunnydogs.com/ |
| 06:28.50 | Azar | for the nice, for the daring, and for the mad |
| 06:29.14 | EznorbYar | haha i see |
| 06:29.21 | EznorbYar | i'll assume i have Etch then |
| 06:30.24 | EznorbYar | is there any particular apps i should get right out the gate? |
| 06:30.26 | wols | aspWork: you can do that. but keep your X client lib please |
| 06:30.38 | wols | otherwise all programs that run under X get removed too. |
| 06:30.40 | Azar | EznorbYar: Debian uses a great tool of installing Debian packages (software that runs on Debian) called apt: Read about it too: http://www.linux.com/articles/40745?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 06:30.47 | wols | replace the xclient lib last |
| 06:32.02 | Azar | EznorbYar: the apt story is very old but contains the basics of its mechanisms. |
| 06:32.18 | EznorbYar | does this apt-get thing come with debian, or do i have to get it separately |
| 06:32.25 | wols | aspWork: most of locate libx|grep list|less might be need to be replaced too |
| 06:32.49 | wols | eisen: it is integral to debian. but use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 06:32.54 | defrysk | EznorbYar, most needed packages are available from the install iso including apt-get |
| 06:32.54 | wols | or maybe synpatic if you want a GUI |
| 06:33.23 | EznorbYar | considering i'm a windows kid, i am definitely a fan of GUIs |
| 06:33.28 | Azar | EznorbYar: it is coming with Debian |
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| 06:33.58 | defrysk | EznorbYar, you know there is no way back ? :-> |
| 06:34.01 | binfalse | hey |
| 06:34.23 | EznorbYar | hahaha |
| 06:34.38 | EznorbYar | no way back to windows once i start using linux? |
| 06:34.39 | Azar | hehe, since I installed Debian and learned how to work it out, I haven't powered up Windows again |
| 06:35.05 | Azar | EznorbYar: come back when you get the hang of it and I will show you games.. |
| 06:35.07 | defrysk | EznorbYar, is you are willing to learn there is no way back to the old windows frame of mind |
| 06:35.12 | wols | EznorbYar: what do you want to do with your linux? |
| 06:35.14 | binfalse | good |
| 06:35.24 | EznorbYar | wols: i have no idea to be honest :P |
| 06:35.34 | wols | what do you do with your windows? |
| 06:35.35 | EznorbYar | Azar: sounds nifty |
| 06:35.37 | defrysk | lol |
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| 06:35.46 | Azar | heck, surf the net, chat, listen to music, watch movies, play games.. |
| 06:35.56 | EznorbYar | all of the above? |
| 06:35.59 | Azar | yep |
| 06:36.00 | defrysk | compile a kernel perhaps ? |
| 06:36.10 | Azar | booo he does not need to! |
| 06:36.11 | wols | for the movies and music part you might need |
| 06:36.23 | xingu | wear its head as a hat |
| 06:36.30 | magyar | anyone using freetds on etch? |
| 06:36.34 | EznorbYar | well keep in mind, i'm still very much going to be a windows kid |
| 06:36.44 | EznorbYar | my laptop is still running WinXP |
| 06:36.53 | EznorbYar | i'm running my old P3 on linux to try it out |
| 06:37.01 | Azar | EznorbYar: I installed Debian four years ago when the installation was indeed some work.... now is really easy |
| 06:37.18 | EznorbYar | okay okay, my core install is done...now it wants me to choose software |
| 06:37.24 | EznorbYar | which ones are useful? |
| 06:37.49 | EznorbYar | Web, Print, DNS, File and Mail servers, SQL database... |
| 06:37.54 | Azar | well, OpenOffice, some music/video player.., games |
| 06:38.03 | EznorbYar | any of those something i'll need |
| 06:38.08 | Azar | oh Iceweasel for browser |
| 06:38.18 | semprix | EznorbYar: Standard Desktop |
| 06:38.26 | Azar | ya :) |
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| 06:38.35 | defrysk | inst there desktop already flagged and all ? |
| 06:38.38 | semprix | it will install gnome and some other useful stuffs for day to day |
| 06:38.40 | Jaggz- | jigdo-lite's print-missing doesn't seem to work for me :~( |
| 06:38.44 | EznorbYar | oh ok cool |
| 06:38.54 | defrysk | exactly |
| 06:39.03 | Azar | desktop is a bit big... but it will be dandy |
| 06:39.09 | EznorbYar | software is installing |
| 06:39.13 | Jaggz- | http://www.voyager.com/pm-out.txt |
| 06:39.21 | Jaggz- | that's my print-missing output for jigdo-lite :( |
| 06:39.32 | EznorbYar | how big, Azar? |
| 06:39.44 | semprix | EznorbYar: how much space do you have? |
| 06:39.47 | Jaggz- | I just keep running jigdo-lite and it keeps getting more files |
| 06:39.50 | EznorbYar | 4GB |
| 06:39.53 | EznorbYar | lol |
| 06:40.01 | semprix | 4GB? |
| 06:40.08 | Azar | EznorbYar: I never got a desktop but I would guess you could spend some half hour waiting |
| 06:40.10 | semprix | is that an old machinde? |
| 06:40.13 | EznorbYar | yeah |
| 06:40.16 | EznorbYar | super old |
| 06:40.26 | EznorbYar | 500 MHz PIII |
| 06:40.27 | semprix | and you want it to have X on it? |
| 06:40.36 | EznorbYar | X? |
| 06:40.37 | wols | EznorbYar: how much RAM and what CPU? |
| 06:40.39 | Azar | meh my boxes are 4 year olds and they still kick like babies |
| 06:40.48 | semprix | X = GUI |
| 06:40.53 | wols | X is the GUI. you can have debian text mode only. good for servers for examüple |
| 06:40.57 | EznorbYar | wols: 256MB, 500MHz P3 |
| 06:41.11 | EznorbYar | oh, i definitely want the GUI |
| 06:41.11 | Azar | memory , ram .... how much |
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| 06:41.21 | semprix | 256MB and 500Mhz isnt really bad though |
| 06:41.35 | EznorbYar | i should be alright? |
| 06:41.37 | Azar | ah 256MB is dandy |
| 06:41.41 | semprix | but the hdd space you have is 4GB smells like trouble |
| 06:41.42 | wols | Gnome is usable with 156MB |
| 06:41.48 | Jaggz- | I ran linux (redhat) with X11 under 30 megs of ram :) |
| 06:41.53 | Azar | EznorbYar: which video card? |
| 06:42.03 | EznorbYar | Azar: LOL 8MB onboard |
| 06:42.11 | Jaggz- | on a small 486 laptop |
| 06:42.12 | Azar | ah ok there is driver for it |
| 06:42.14 | semprix | EznorbYar: doesnt really matter |
| 06:42.25 | Jaggz- | I still have that thing.. the internal battery lasts 3 hours |
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| 06:42.42 | EznorbYar | speaking of which, where the heck am i going to find linux drivers for all my stuff |
| 06:42.54 | wols | EznorbYar: edbian comes with them already |
| 06:43.03 | semprix | EznorbYar: thats an old machine debian should have drivers for them |
| 06:43.04 | semprix | :) |
| 06:43.05 | Azar | EznorbYar: most of them are in the kernel, there is a autodetection at some point |
| 06:43.09 | EznorbYar | whaaaat? |
| 06:43.11 | wols | EznorbYar: do not use drivers from hardwaremakers if you can help it. they suck |
| 06:43.16 | EznorbYar | that's crazy! |
| 06:43.33 | semprix | EznorbYar: this is linux not windows ;) |
| 06:43.37 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:43.37 | EznorbYar | lol |
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| 06:43.54 | Azar | the Debian GNU/Linux PnP is udev |
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| 06:44.20 | EznorbYar | udev? PnP? |
| 06:44.20 | wols | EznorbYar: 95%-100% of your software will come from your dbeian CDs or debian.org. nowhere else |
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| 06:44.44 | semprix | udev is the device manager for linux |
| 06:44.45 | Azar | EznorbYar: hardware autodetection is in udev |
| 06:45.01 | EznorbYar | oh, Plug and Play |
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| 06:45.20 | EznorbYar | wols: i dont have CDs |
| 06:45.30 | wols | then all comes from debian.org |
| 06:45.34 | EznorbYar | ok |
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| 06:45.43 | semprix | EznorbYar: are you installing etch? |
| 06:45.44 | Azar | wols: isn't already in the kernel? |
| 06:46.02 | EznorbYar | semprix: i think so |
| 06:46.04 | wols | Azar: please mind your grammar |
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| 06:46.54 | Azar | uh...I would think that one reason the kernels are getting bloated upstream versions because lots of hardware drivers are added with the time |
| 06:47.25 | Azar | well, at least forks of them |
| 06:47.42 | wols | yes most is. but I was speaking of all software he runs on his system |
| 06:48.01 | EznorbYar | this computer is an old HP Vectra, which were pretty common, so i should be alright, right? |
| 06:48.03 | Azar | oh sorry, I was just keeping dreaming about hardware |
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| 06:48.44 | Azar | EznorbYar: the inside stuff matters no matter the name: CPU name, ethernet card, .. |
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| 06:48.58 | EznorbYar | i mean for onboard though |
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| 06:49.19 | EznorbYar | onboard video, onboard sound... |
| 06:49.21 | Azar | it is said that the ideal hardware for Debian should be "conservative" |
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| 06:49.42 | Azar | yeah, I guess you could be ok |
| 06:49.55 | wols | probably. but as Azar, debian/linux doesn't care about brand names of computers and such. all it cares about is what the chips inside that brand items are |
| 06:50.18 | EznorbYar | of course |
| 06:50.18 | wols | *azar said |
| 06:50.46 | EznorbYar | i just mean that because this line of PCs was very common, the mobos and chipsets will also be very common, as they came in all of them |
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| 06:51.14 | Azar | when you will install the X server (if it is not already installed with the desktop), you will sometimes need to configure it and will ask you questions about: keyboard, mouse, monitor and video type |
| 06:51.25 | EznorbYar | ah, ok |
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| 06:52.13 | EznorbYar | it just installed "x11-common" |
| 06:52.15 | EznorbYar | is that X? |
| 06:52.21 | Azar | meh, I hate to but I gotta go to bed, work tomorrow, good night/day/morning honorables! |
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| 06:52.42 | EznorbYar | night Azar, thanks for the help |
| 06:53.35 | EznorbYar | im going to go grab some food and a shower, since this install is taking an era |
| 06:53.53 | EznorbYar | bbl |
| 06:54.46 | wols | EznorbYar: no, but it's a part of X |
| 06:55.15 | EznorbYar | okay, so it's safe to assume X is included in this kernel |
| 06:55.24 | wols | no it's not :) |
| 06:55.33 | EznorbYar | LOL |
| 06:55.33 | wols | if it gets xserver-xorg, then you have X |
| 06:55.35 | EznorbYar | :( |
| 06:55.43 | EznorbYar | it did a few xserver-... |
| 06:55.52 | wols | and X has nothing to do with the kernel. as I said: you can run linux easily without X at all |
| 06:56.09 | EznorbYar | >.> |
| 06:56.15 | EznorbYar | i'm so noob |
| 06:56.17 | EznorbYar | haha |
| 06:56.30 | EznorbYar | anyways, brb, i need feeding and cleaning |
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| 06:59.27 | dalias | is xorg broken in unstable right now? |
| 06:59.55 | dalias | mine just crashed on exit leaving the video in unusable state, and grp_led:caps doesn't seem to work in xkb |
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| 07:03.48 | drwahl | it seems the nvidia driver installer has some issues with lenny's kernel |
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| 07:04.00 | markybob | nvidia driver is fucked |
| 07:04.20 | markybob | if you want system lockups within every hour, have at it |
| 07:04.22 | drwahl | any suggestions on how to get 3D acceleration then? |
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| 07:04.40 | markybob | drwahl: yes, use an old kernel. |
| 07:05.11 | drwahl | i will give that a shot |
| 07:05.24 | dalias | i'm not using nvidia crap O_o |
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| 07:05.41 | markybob | i have an nvidia card and use nv driver myself |
| 07:06.02 | markybob | too much unstable bullshit. got tired of it |
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| 07:14.47 | blahdeblah | Hi. Are there any GUI applications that allow date-based scrolling through a photo library, but aren't based on Mono (i.e. not f-spot)? |
| 07:15.26 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got a little problem, for school we have to work with an old image (deb-sarge) but it takes the packages off the stable repos. Any way to work around that during installation ? |
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| 07:15.56 | contrast83 | blahdeblah: digiKam? |
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| 07:16.41 | maddash | rofl |
| 07:16.43 | maddash | "/* Some bozo put a macro called dirty in sys/param.h */" |
| 07:17.23 | blahdeblah | contrast83: Do you have to browse on a per-folder basis with digiKam, or are the thumbnails shown in 1 continuous stream? |
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| 07:17.50 | blahdeblah | SpeedyG: I imagine that would break things rather badly. |
| 07:17.59 | maddash | compared to ATI, Nvidia is linux-friendly |
| 07:18.09 | SpeedyG | blahdeblah: how would it break things? |
| 07:18.30 | maddash | rofl "f-spot" |
| 07:19.14 | blahdeblah | maddash: It won't even import my photo library without segfaulting. Not impressive. :-) |
| 07:19.36 | blahdeblah | SpeedyG: Because it will have an incompatible glibc would be one reason that i can think of... |
| 07:19.39 | contrast83 | blahdeblah: i think if you import several folders into an album, it'll just make copies of all of them and put them in one folder per album |
| 07:19.47 | contrast83 | i haven't messed with it much. it's on my to-do list |
| 07:19.56 | wols | SpeedyG: replace "stable" with "sargr" in your sources.list |
| 07:20.04 | SpeedyG | blahdeblah: problem is that I can't install/update any packages right now |
| 07:20.04 | blahdeblah | wols: During installation? |
| 07:20.21 | blahdeblah | contrast83: Can you tell it not to copy the files? I've already got a library directory set up. |
| 07:21.19 | contrast83 | i don't *think* so. |
| 07:21.28 | contrast83 | guessing you don't want to use picasa? |
| 07:21.55 | blahdeblah | contrast83: I'm open to anything that can do the job of importing 7000 photos. |
| 07:21.56 | SpeedyG | wols: that gives me all kind of 'could not find file or directory' during apt-get update |
| 07:22.24 | blahdeblah | SpeedyG: Didn't you say that you only had access to the stable repo? |
| 07:22.43 | contrast83 | picasa might do it. that was the first thing i thought of when you first asked |
| 07:22.44 | SpeedyG | blahdeblah: during the installation yes |
| 07:23.00 | SpeedyG | but after, I can edit the sources.list |
| 07:23.12 | SpeedyG | only problem is that it keeps giving me these anoying errors |
| 07:23.34 | blahdeblah | SpeedyG: An absolutely minimal install and then upgrade might work |
| 07:24.26 | SpeedyG | blahdeblah: problem is that we have to work without the upgrade first.. its a school assignment.. but it just doesnt work the way it's supposed to be (during install it asks to remove the current kernel, replacing that did work.. not replacing it doenst.. the assignment states you should not remove the current running kernel :( ) |
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| 07:24.56 | SpeedyG | so i'm trying to find a workaround to this issue.. but it all leads to nothing .. |
| 07:26.09 | Jaggz- | I wrote a message to jigdo-lite mailing list |
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| 07:28.20 | blahdeblah | SpeedyG: I think you're stuffed, mate - unless you've got a full CD 1 that will get you something usable straight off the disc. |
| 07:28.42 | SpeedyG | blahdeblah: hm, sucks :( |
| 07:29.07 | blahdeblah | SpeedyG: download a new CD. ;-\ |
| 07:29.24 | blahdeblah | :-\ that should have been |
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| 07:29.53 | SpeedyG | blahdeblah: if it was for me to decide, it'd be an etch cd we'd install |
| 07:29.53 | Jaggz- | anyone else ever use jigdo-lite? |
| 07:32.21 | maddash | wtf is this xdmcp used for? which fool still logs into his computer via the X11 remote protocol? |
| 07:32.37 | ID107 | what cat /dev/null > /home/ does?? |
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| 07:36.26 | GutterPunk | Hi. I have a silly question. I have a bunch of servers connected to a switch. How can I find out what the mac address is of the switchport connected to my ethernet adapter? |
| 07:37.44 | indraveni | hi all |
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| 07:41.53 | indraveni | what is the space required to have a local debian mirror |
| 07:42.06 | maddash | 2 GAZILLION BYTES |
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| 07:43.33 | markybob | GutterPunk: a switch doesnt have a mac address. the point of a switch is to connect one address to the other, as if you were using a crossover cable, for example. |
| 07:43.56 | markybob | unless you have a managed switch, in which case it acts differently |
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| 07:44.52 | GutterPunk | markybob: that is the case |
| 07:45.37 | markybob | GutterPunk: then you should ssh/telnet/http into its daemon and see. they call it managed for a reason. |
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| 07:46.29 | GutterPunk | markybob: it's for a lost switch :) I mean, vty's are disabled, and it is not serially connected either |
| 07:46.47 | GutterPunk | so it's quite unmanageable for the moment |
| 07:47.17 | markybob | GutterPunk: then start sending out arp requests |
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| 07:50.22 | Glanzmann | There was a tool supplied in debian that copies all shared libs a certain binary needs. What is the name of the tool? |
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| 07:50.32 | Glanzmann | It was used to build chroot environments automatically? |
| 07:51.20 | GutterPunk | markybob: good point |
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| 07:53.47 | chronographer | Hello all. I am gonna reformat a friends pc, hes not real computer literate and he has a tablet pc. I wonder if anyone has experience with linux on a tablet, wonder if I should let hime loose with Ubuntu +wacom etc. Or stick to xp tablet pc edition? ideas? |
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| 07:54.36 | markybob | chronographer: this is #debian. install debian or dont ask in here. wtf? |
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| 07:55.27 | maddash | I've compiled my own libgtk2-* packages with optimizations and whatnot. now how do I get my system to use it? I can't remove the existing libgtk2-* since I've got about 50 packages depending on them |
| 07:55.32 | hochimoo | does anyone have a howto on setting up an openVPN conection? |
| 07:55.37 | ID107 | i double click an executable file, why it doesnt install? ??????????????????/ |
| 07:55.56 | markybob | maddash: did you make them into debian packages, or just normal sources? |
| 07:56.05 | maddash | markybob: debbie. |
| 07:56.10 | Kevin` | ID107 it might be made to run from a terminal, not a graphical installer.. |
| 07:56.24 | markybob | ID107: because executables arent always installers! gasp! |
| 07:56.38 | markybob | maddash: then dpkg --force-all -i foo.deb |
| 07:56.54 | ID107 | yes, yes. do that. its nice |
| 07:57.06 | maddash | markybob: that looks like it'll simply write over the existing .so's. is that safe? |
| 07:57.16 | ID107 | dpkg --force-all --purge ...deb |
| 07:57.33 | markybob | maddash: generally. unless you really fucked up during the building process, you should be ok |
| 07:58.15 | markybob | maddash: you should note that apt will try to upgrade back to whatever is in the repositories right away, so you'll want to place those packages on hold |
| 07:58.20 | maddash | markybob: I apt-get source/build-dep, and finnagled with the source files a bit (but left everything else untouched) -- how screwed up is that? |
| 07:58.35 | markybob | maddash: you should be fine |
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| 07:58.44 | maddash | here we go!! |
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| 08:03.17 | markybob | Guerin: what's your sorry ass up to tonight? c'mon... ;) |
| 08:04.23 | maddash | markybob: his wife. booty call. that sort of thing. |
| 08:04.35 | liable | prolly something to do with sheep no doubt.. :P |
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| 08:06.19 | maddash | brb, this dpkg-buildpackage is taking forever. who knew that gtk2 was so bloated? |
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| 08:07.21 | pengol | hi there ... I have a wireless button on my laptop that I would bind to a script ... whenever I press it I have these warnings in dmesg buffer: |
| 08:07.24 | pengol | atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xd5 on isa0060/serio0). |
| 08:07.27 | pengol | atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e055 <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 08:07.29 | maddash | Kevin`: your prescience astounds me, oh great one. |
| 08:07.56 | pengol | how can I use this button? |
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| 08:07.59 | Oyama | lo |
| 08:07.59 | Oyama | anybody knows where to find a list of linux friendly tv cards? |
| 08:08.24 | markybob | Oyama: http://www.hauppauge.com/ |
| 08:08.37 | maddash | pengol: xmodmap keycode, dude |
| 08:09.10 | Oyama | markybob: so if i follow you, any hauppauge is ok? |
| 08:09.30 | Kevin` | that's only one vendor, who could change their cards at any time, not a hardware list :/ |
| 08:09.32 | markybob | Oyama: yes. they provide linux drivers. |
| 08:09.40 | Kevin` | markybob OSS? |
| 08:09.46 | Oyama | markybob: great, thanks |
| 08:09.50 | streuner | Oyama: Hauppauge is well supported, but just read that http://www.linuxtv.org/ too |
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| 08:10.17 | Kevin` | markybob is the driver and api open source for those cards? |
| 08:11.12 | markybob | Kevin`: yes. also, xine-hd patches are also provided |
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| 08:11.40 | pengol | maddash: xmodmap keycode NUMBER = KEYSYMNAME |
| 08:11.56 | Kevin` | markybob hmm, you can use it to record HD tv? |
| 08:11.58 | ningning | excuse me but I looked for a channel for the drawing program Dia and a channel for Gnome (english), but did not see them from the freenode list. Could anyone please point the addresses to me? Many thanks! |
| 08:12.06 | markybob | Kevin`: ota hd, yes |
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| 08:12.27 | pengol | maddash: NUMBER is 0xd5 ? and KEYSYMNAME ? |
| 08:12.33 | Kevin` | hehe, could be useful, once I have some kind of television service :) |
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| 08:13.48 | streuner | Oyama: in doubt search at groups.google.com about, to see if there are any problems with a certain chipset |
| 08:14.12 | pengol | maddash: another question in the xmodmap man page there is written to get the code from xev. but xev gives no code for the key |
| 08:14.14 | Oyama | streuner: good advice |
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| 08:15.54 | dotz | hi.. which resiportary contains package libdpstk, libdps and libthread-1.2 ? |
| 08:17.11 | streuner | !find libdps |
| 08:17.16 | maddash | pengol: symname is something like, F19, F20, etc. NUMBER is the keycode. figure it out using `xev` |
| 08:17.19 | streuner | !tell dotz about search |
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| 08:17.45 | troubled | streuner! :) |
| 08:18.05 | streuner | dpkg, wake up lazy bitch! |
| 08:18.12 | troubled | !ping |
| 08:18.13 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:18.53 | streuner | well, that package seems not part of Debian |
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| 08:19.05 | streuner | dotz: what for you need these packages? |
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| 08:20.14 | streuner | !congratulate troubled |
| 08:20.14 | dpkg | Huzzah troubled, you did it! |
| 08:20.16 | streuner | ;-) |
| 08:20.18 | troubled | ;) |
| 08:20.22 | dotz | streuner: for my application engineer to work on :( |
| 08:20.33 | markybob | huzzah...when did dpkg become middle eastern? |
| 08:20.34 | markybob | :p |
| 08:20.53 | streuner | .dpkg is international ;-) |
| 08:21.31 | streuner | dotz: give us more details about |
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| 08:22.48 | JosefAss1d | hello |
| 08:22.53 | wols | SpeedyG: use a proper mirror then. one that has sarge/oldstable |
| 08:23.12 | JosefAss1d | Question: if I turn off the avahi-daemon, what breaks? Anything important for a desktop computer? |
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| 08:23.35 | markybob | JosefAss1d: depends what you mean by important. it might not find some printers or media devices |
| 08:23.51 | JosefAss1d | markybob: That'ß helpful. Neither is important. Thanks |
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| 08:24.25 | Shadur | JosefAss1d: Note that avahi being arbitrarily shut down may annoy media players like Rhythmbox since they listen to it. |
| 08:24.31 | dotz | streuner: hmm i just need to instlal those packages but they don't appear in my apt-get.. must be some repository added before i can get those package? |
| 08:24.58 | SpeedyG | wols: it works :) thanks |
| 08:25.09 | streuner | dotz: tell us more what kind of app. you want compile |
| 08:25.10 | JosefAss1d | Shadur: Also helpful; thanks. I think I'll kill it for a while to see if anything I wanted complains, but it doesn't seem as if killing it will render my system unusable |
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| 08:26.21 | markybob | JosefAss1d: nah, you'll be fine |
| 08:26.56 | JosefAss1d | markybob: I'm in one of these "I want each bloody kb of memory free" moods. I shoulda never started my linux experience with LFS :\ |
| 08:27.02 | dennis- | JosefAss1d: tried hpricot yet? :) |
| 08:27.12 | dotz | streuner: sorry i not very sure.. all he say is the libraries are missing.. would it be possible to install them without the info? |
| 08:27.40 | markybob | JosefAss1d: dont have to tell me. i wrote shellter :p |
| 08:27.50 | JosefAss1d | dennis-: does that handle bad html as well as BeautifulSoup? |
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| 08:28.27 | JosefAss1d | dennis-: oh, that'ß ruby. I'm not smart enough to hold more than one language in my head at once :\ I'm a management weenie |
| 08:28.43 | pengol | maddash: xev doesn't display anything |
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| 08:28.46 | pif | hi, what flag enables full gcc output when building kernel modules with "modules-assistant" ? |
| 08:28.51 | pif | instead of seeing " CC [M] /usr/src/modules/misdn/hfc_multi.o" I'd like to full shell command to appear |
| 08:28.58 | streuner | dotz: who the hell is "He"? |
| 08:29.21 | markybob | streuner: the Man, dumbass |
| 08:29.22 | markybob | ;) |
| 08:29.43 | JosefAss1d | markybob: nifty! I had my iptables phase also! Never wrote anything like that though. I wanted to muck about with my xmms playlist based on iptables stats. Never got around to it |
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| 08:30.45 | streuner | dotz: Why is that so hard to call the name of the app you want compile? |
| 08:31.19 | JosefAss1d | markybob: Shadur: Thanks for the thoughts on avahi |
| 08:31.38 | maddash | pengol: that's because you're either not tapping the key or you're not looking hard enough |
| 08:32.01 | maddash | OMFG |
| 08:32.10 | maddash | apt-build doesn't even optimize like it claims to |
| 08:32.23 | dotz | application engineer |
| 08:32.25 | dotz | let me check |
| 08:32.36 | markybob | it optimizes. the question is if .001 of a second really matters |
| 08:32.42 | streuner | dotz: URL would be helpful |
| 08:33.07 | markybob | that's why debian compiles on 386 as default. it's pointless bullshit. gentoo users can go fuck themselves |
| 08:33.09 | maddash | markybob: no, it doesn't. It only sends off the o-flags and -mtune to debappend |
| 08:33.25 | maddash | markybob: I meant, debchange --append |
| 08:33.34 | maddash | markybob: which in turn, does nothing at all |
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| 08:34.31 | chewed-on | Hi guys. I have a problem with my Laptop. I'm using Debian on it and it seems to lock my computer and never let me out if I leave it idle for a number of minutes. |
| 08:34.36 | maddash | markybob: I slapped on an extra few characters to debchange --append -- and I didn't get an error when I should have |
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| 08:35.05 | chewed-on | Is there a way to make it so that Debian lets me type in the password and unlock it from the black screen saver ? |
| 08:35.19 | maddash | there's a difference between "pointless" and "incapable of." debchange and/or apt-build are fucking up. |
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| 08:37.19 | streuner_ | dotz: disconnected..., did you message something before? |
| 08:37.53 | maddash | streuner_: no |
| 08:37.59 | maddash | 04:32:23 <dotz> application engineer |
| 08:38.00 | maddash | 04:32:25 <dotz> let me check |
| 08:38.01 | dotz | streuner: no..not yet.. i'm emailing my contact..waiting for his reply :> |
| 08:38.43 | hatter | what could i be missing in apache2 with php if phpinfo works but a link to a .php file brings up a 'open with' dialog ? |
| 08:38.45 | streuner_ | dotz: so "he" need to compile some app. and you just try to help him? |
| 08:39.04 | streuner_ | dotz: why not telling him to join here, it would be easier |
| 08:39.37 | maddash | modphp? |
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| 08:40.15 | hatter | even if phpinfo() works ? |
| 08:40.25 | maddash | hahaha, "fuck mod_perl" |
| 08:40.34 | maddash | hatter: maybe not... |
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| 08:40.51 | hatter | ...something simple grrr |
| 08:40.58 | sour- | hello, i was curious to know which kernel i should use for a xeon quad processor |
| 08:41.05 | sour- | kernel image that is |
| 08:42.15 | Kevin` | I believe the default kernel (etch) has smp support, so you shouldn't need to do anything special |
| 08:42.23 | dotz | streuner_: yeah he is suppose to get something up running in our server but he's at Germany now while i'm at Sg..haha will try so.. |
| 08:42.24 | Kevin` | *in etch |
| 08:42.40 | sour- | ah ok, i had to debootstrap manually, then reboot into rescue mode and install lilo+a kernel |
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| 08:43.03 | sour- | i am using 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 08:43.24 | wols | sour-: -686 |
| 08:43.29 | sour- | didn't see anything in apt-cache search kernel|grep image that looked like it had smp.. |
| 08:43.35 | sour- | ok cool i'll try that now |
| 08:43.44 | wols | -486 doesn't have SMP, all others do |
| 08:44.03 | wols | 486 SMP machiens are kinda hard to find you know :) |
| 08:44.14 | sour- | linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4, i think i was defered by the p4 thingy i think |
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| 08:44.26 | sour- | yeah probably, first upgrade in like 2389428347983247 years for me :P |
| 08:44.32 | troubled | wols: 486 4-way would be like way? a p75? :) |
| 08:44.41 | troubled | s/way/what/ |
| 08:45.04 | sour- | this machine is still flying fast |
| 08:45.17 | sour- | better than the p166 :P |
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| 08:45.44 | sooty23 | good morning all :-) |
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| 08:46.57 | sooty23 | i have a quick question... i need to break down my internet traffic utilization by protocol (smtp, http etc) what tool can I use ?? ideally i want to run something for a month then see where all my b/w is being used up. i've tried ntop but it doesn't break things down by application. |
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| 08:48.39 | maddash | markybob: debchange --append only slaps on an entry to the .deb changelog |
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| 08:49.01 | maddash | markybob: so in effect, apt-build is fucking useless. it does ZERO optimization |
| 08:49.51 | GutterPunk | sooty23: yes it does |
| 08:49.52 | karmatronic | sooty23: maybe vsntat or bwm |
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| 08:50.58 | maddash | arggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 08:51.22 | maddash | do I submit a bug report when I discover that a certain package is UTTERLY USELESS? |
| 08:51.36 | maddash | or do I put out a hit on the maintainer? |
| 08:51.37 | hatter | sooty23, iptraf ? |
| 08:51.46 | sooty23 | gutterpunk: well im running ntop and it just shows total data by protocol not load by protocol |
| 08:52.00 | sooty23 | karmatronic i'll take a look at those |
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| 08:58.13 | simmerz|work | I have to install an ftp server. Given that I have no choice in that particular matter, are there any preferred ftp servers? |
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| 09:00.11 | sour- | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5335 @ 2.00GHz |
| 09:00.13 | sour- | times 4 |
| 09:00.29 | wols | simmerz|work: depends. do you need virtual users or system users only? |
| 09:00.39 | sour- | guess what it'll be used for? 5 static html pages and that's it.. ahhahaha. |
| 09:00.58 | sooty23 | simmerzwork: proftpd |
| 09:01.29 | wols | simmerz|work: with system users only: vsftpd, with virtual ones, proftpd or pureftpd |
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| 09:02.15 | sooty23 | anyone here use vmware? |
| 09:02.30 | wols | !vmware |
| 09:02.30 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
| 09:03.27 | fireba11 | sooty23: yes |
| 09:03.39 | simmerz|work | wols: I didn't know ftp could use virtual users |
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| 09:05.07 | sour- | antyway, thanks guys, i am out |
| 09:05.09 | maddash | wow, these packages are super fucked up -- "gcc -g" for every package?! no wonder this system is so slow |
| 09:05.26 | sooty23 | fireball: i need to backup some vmware files that contain virtual machines. can you see a problem using rsync for this? |
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| 09:06.04 | sooty23 | the vmware is a windows machien and i dont want to buy some third party software from the vmware guys (vmbackup or whatever its called) |
| 09:06.07 | fireba11 | sooty23 : if the VM is not running no, i'm doing that myself. hin: you can pause vms from command line for scripting :-) |
| 09:06.17 | fireba11 | hint even |
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| 09:07.41 | sooty23 | actually its debian etch with vmware server running on it. (ive just been told) |
| 09:08.06 | maddash | hear that? |
| 09:08.07 | pengol | maddash: xev doesn't display anything ... I'm sure of it |
| 09:08.19 | sooty23 | i guess i could just buy a very large backup tape. the vmwares take up 750GB |
| 09:08.22 | wols | maddash: don't let the door hit you on your way out :) |
| 09:08.47 | sooty23 | maddash: you need to find yourself a hobby to do for all the spare time you're going to have during compiles |
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| 09:08.58 | maddash | wols: who cares? you're the fool who's running a system compiled with -g |
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| 09:09.40 | maddash | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2005-03/msg00032.html |
| 09:09.41 | wols | the question is: why are you running debian in the first place? |
| 09:10.08 | maddash | b/c I thought it would be nice to extend my life by installing pre-compiled packages. |
| 09:10.24 | karmatronic | so , you re going to gentoo? |
| 09:10.26 | maddash | turns out that I put my trust in the wrong folks |
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| 09:10.54 | streuner_ | wols: nevermind..., some people see only later, they wasting lots of time and must work on that distro. Maybe he needs that... |
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| 09:11.24 | maddash | streuner_: did you read my link? it's only 4 sentences long. can you grasp the implications? |
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| 09:11.51 | Dr-Gonzo | hiho |
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| 09:11.56 | karmatronic | maddash: gentoo s fine, but initial compile is a pain in the ass, especially for slow(servers) computers |
| 09:12.35 | wols | maddash: have you done any benchmarks? profiles? |
| 09:12.37 | Dr-Gonzo | can i have two versions of gcc installed the same time? |
| 09:12.45 | streuner_ | sure |
| 09:12.53 | maddash | brb, I'm gonna go cry. |
| 09:12.58 | streuner_ | Dr-Gonzo: installed, sure |
| 09:13.32 | Dr-Gonzo | all right, and how do i set the active one? (instead of just creating manual links to "gcc") |
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| 09:14.50 | sooty23 | GenToy is nice if you like shooting yourself in the feet. i hope maddash is a millipede |
| 09:15.11 | maddash | streuner_: please. have you seen apt-build? |
| 09:16.07 | Dr-Gonzo | nevermind, figured out already, thx! |
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| 09:17.36 | maddash | streuner_: bugs aplenty. and the package doesn't even "optimize" as it says it would. |
| 09:17.54 | hark | maddash: um, did you even bother to read the whole thread? |
| 09:18.08 | jaggz1 | I'm moving from ubuntu to straight-debian because I want a common base for my personal system and my work servers. |
| 09:18.20 | hark | maddash: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2005-03/msg00034.html |
| 09:20.03 | karmatronic | jaggz1: that s funny i have the opposite way of thinking |
| 09:20.22 | sooty23 | I have been asked to do something. namely to detail "processes" using our internet connection and determine how much traffic is being used by each process. do i need to use snmp and mrtg (or whatever its called) or can i configure ntop/something else to do this |
| 09:20.40 | karmatronic | jaggz1: i install debian for important servers, and when i play around , i like to test other distribs |
| 09:21.03 | Kevin` | sooty23 is this for a single system? |
| 09:21.31 | Kevin` | or do you want some fancy reporting for an entire network |
| 09:21.31 | maddash | hark: you're right. -g only trips you when you start playing with gdb. |
| 09:21.43 | sooty23 | Kevin: nope. we got a network that has a 2mbit copper connection. its being saturated. we need to find out what's causing it... |
| 09:21.50 | harpal | chewed-on: After few minutes are you pressing keys or just moving mouse. because after some time it doesnt recognize mouse move onlly detects keys and prompts for password |
| 09:22.01 | jaggz1 | karma, hmm.. but the personal system is also my dev system.. I guess they're basically the same so I can use a more-user-based system like ubuntu? |
| 09:22.13 | chewed-on | harpal: not too sure. . . |
| 09:22.17 | sooty23 | Kevin: of course 2mbit isn't a lot but then we dont have any servers...... we host them remotely on higher b/w connections |
| 09:22.18 | jaggz1 | I haven't installed straight debian before so I don't know how it lets you select different packages, like choosing the window manager, etc. |
| 09:22.20 | chewed-on | harpal: I tried both. |
| 09:22.24 | maddash | hark: still doesn't fix the bigger problem. it's impossible to recompile your packages with your own gcc flags without cunniling-izing every debian/rules file of each package. |
| 09:22.29 | jaggz1 | I really would like a window manager that lets me map mey keys properly |
| 09:22.31 | Kevin` | sooty23 quick way: run wireshark for a while, look at the graphs based on protocol, and use common sense to determine the application using that protocol or port |
| 09:22.43 | chewed-on | harpal: it just locks me in the dark . . . and I'm scared :'( |
| 09:22.54 | jaggz1 | what window manager lets me map the keyboard to various things -- not established routines, but perhaps coding my own little scripts, etc. ? |
| 09:22.56 | sooty23 | Kevin: ntop sort of does what i want.. but only shows total traffic in GB for each protocol but doesn't show load by protocol by day |
| 09:23.10 | hark | !gentoosmite maddash |
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| 09:23.32 | Kevin` | sooty23 a day isn't enough to determine what's using most? |
| 09:23.36 | sooty23 | kevin: i was thinking of just using iptables and a an iptables log analyzer (i.e. rolling my own) |
| 09:23.40 | maddash | jaggz1: pretty much every normal (ie, non-minimal) wm does that. eg, icewm. |
| 09:23.47 | maddash | hark: I deserved that. |
| 09:23.52 | maddash | !gentoosmite maddash |
| 09:23.56 | harpal | chewed-on: have you changed settings of screensaver? |
| 09:23.58 | sooty23 | kevin : i've been running ntop a month. at least it shows we peak at 1.6Mbit |
| 09:24.26 | karmatronic | !gentoo |
| 09:24.26 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 09:24.32 | sooty23 | ntop does seem to be memory hog and on a sarge system it does randomly stop working every now and then and need restarting |
| 09:24.58 | chewed-on | harpal: I'm not sure. . . |
| 09:25.01 | chewed-on | harpal: does it matter ? |
| 09:25.03 | jaggz1 | I've never liked totem |
| 09:25.12 | Kevin` | I agree with the not administering more then 2 of gentoo :) |
| 09:25.38 | harpal | because in that the options for lock the screen and blanck screen |
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| 09:26.18 | maddash | doesn't gentoo provide precompiled packages of any sort? |
| 09:27.05 | harpal | chewed-on: so ckeck it. |
| 09:27.06 | Kevin` | maddash it does |
| 09:27.49 | sooty23 | emerge -pUd world, then go to the Zoo for the day |
| 09:27.52 | maddash | so what's with the gentoo bashing? |
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| 09:28.14 | Kevin` | it's fun |
| 09:28.34 | iturk | hi there friends is there any web based ssh client that will not conect using the 22 port since in my place this port is blocked ? |
| 09:28.37 | sooty23 | maddash : Debian and Gentoo are at opposite ends of the Ethos spectrum |
| 09:28.43 | Kevin` | I use gentoo for my desktop, but I would not want to admin very many of them :) |
| 09:28.53 | wols | sooty23: wrong fyi |
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| 09:29.29 | Kevin` | iturk I suspect any would let you do that |
| 09:29.41 | petemc | iturk: you can run ssh on an alternative port, or look into mindterm, tho its kinda old |
| 09:29.42 | sharika | hi whats the best site to share theora videos?(it seems google video doesnt seems to support theora well and you tube requires a flash player) |
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| 09:30.04 | wols | iturk: host:port instead of simply "host" for connecting? |
| 09:30.42 | Kevin` | sharika might just use a general filesharing site |
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| 09:31.32 | maddash | fuck this. i'm abstaining from gcc for the next three days. |
| 09:31.40 | iturk | petemc: i am trying different ports but i am always getting a connection timeout |
| 09:32.32 | sharika | what could be the best in that case? |
| 09:32.51 | iturk | wols: so which other ports should i try ? |
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| 09:34.47 | karmatronic | iturk: yuo could use ajaxterm |
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| 09:35.34 | karmatronic | iturk: cause mindterm wont bypass firewalls |
| 09:36.05 | karmatronic | iturk: either way you need a web server |
| 09:36.07 | iturk | karmatronic: ok so i also cannot install nothing on this computer no apt-get install nothing i dont have root pass |
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| 09:36.30 | karmatronic | iturk: on client machine you mean ? |
| 09:37.57 | iturk | karmatronic: well i was trying to find a solution without having to install nothing even in client side. I saw that gotossh is able to pass by the firewall but after 2 minutes of usage they are requesting for money |
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| 09:38.12 | sharika | Kevin`: like? |
| 09:38.14 | Ethan | hi |
| 09:38.16 | iturk | isn't there any other free web based solution |
| 09:38.28 | Ethan | I would like to install debian without CD-reader |
| 09:38.38 | Kevin` | sharika eh? what did I say? |
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| 09:38.46 | Ethan | but I can't find the tutorial for this |
| 09:38.56 | kie27 | greetings all, i need to give some users (a few out of many on the machine) permission to a common website, (/var/www/domains/somewebsite), so i created a new group (www-somewebsite), and added the relevant users to this group, then chgrp that directory to the new group and chmod g+rw. does this seem like a sensible approach or can you forsee any problems here? |
| 09:39.16 | karmatronic | iturk: what i m telling you only requires a web browser on client side |
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| 09:39.34 | iturk | karmatronic |
| 09:39.40 | karmatronic | iturk: plus ajaxterm , an ssh server and a web server on server side |
| 09:39.41 | iturk | i have many |
| 09:40.04 | karmatronic | iturk: so google ajaxterm, you ll see |
| 09:40.08 | Kevin` | sharika Oh. I don't actually know of a good one. most of them have painful amounts of ads and crazy policies :/ |
| 09:40.08 | iturk | karmatronic: there is no ssh server in the machine side |
| 09:40.21 | Kevin` | sharika when I give files to people I host them myself |
| 09:40.24 | karmatronic | iturk: so what do you want to connect to ? |
| 09:40.36 | iturk | karmatronic: i mean in my machine |
| 09:40.49 | Kevin` | what was the name of that common filesharing site everybody uses? |
| 09:40.53 | karmatronic | iturk: hum |
| 09:41.24 | karmatronic | iturk: client(web browser)->firewall->your machine (with ssh) , am i right? |
| 09:41.36 | wols | Kevin`: google |
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| 09:41.47 | sharika | Kevin`: oo thats not possible right now in my case..file sharing..ill check |
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| 09:41.57 | petemc | karmatronic: isnt ajaxterm the same functionality as mindterm? |
| 09:42.15 | wols | Ethan: read the install manual |
| 09:42.19 | wols | or release notes |
| 09:42.29 | Kevin` | I asked google for 'file upload' and didn't find it, it's a really common name I just can't think of |
| 09:42.38 | Dr-Gonzo | rapidshare? megaupload? |
| 09:42.38 | wols | Ethan: what way do you have for booting? |
| 09:42.40 | Kevin` | found a bunch of others with that though |
| 09:42.50 | Kevin` | rapidshare is the one i'm thinking of |
| 09:42.59 | Ethan | wols : what do you mean by what ? |
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| 09:43.49 | Ethan | wols : the computer use a PII and 128Mbyte of ram |
| 09:43.54 | wols | Ethan: on what medium do you want to install debian. and what ways do you have for booting? |
| 09:44.27 | Ethan | wols : usb but I am not sure it's supported by the OS |
| 09:44.36 | Ethan | else floppy (diskette) |
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| 09:44.59 | iturk | karmatronic: i am using a windows machine did you think i can install ajaxterm on it ? |
| 09:45.03 | wols | aOS supports it. the question is, does your BIOS support booting from USB |
| 09:45.35 | wols | so you wannt to run debian from USB? |
| 09:46.51 | wols | you can use bootfloppies for installing (for loading the kernel too, from then on usb, harddisk, etc all will work) |
| 09:46.59 | Ethan | I want to install it, I don't care about the medium |
| 09:47.29 | Ethan | if it is possible to install from the usb key, that's great |
| 09:47.32 | sharika | i found this http://www.masternewmedia.org/online-video/video-sharing-and-publishing/how-to-watch-online-video-with-free-software-20070301.htm |
| 09:47.53 | Ethan | I don't know if it is supported but I can try |
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| 09:56.10 | svensk_neutrino | hi |
| 09:56.17 | svensk_neutrino | how do i find which package is taking how much size? |
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| 10:00.13 | simonrvn | dpigs |
| 10:00.27 | simonrvn | debian-goodies package |
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| 10:03.39 | svensk_neutrino | come one |
| 10:03.42 | svensk_neutrino | dpkg --size?? |
| 10:04.04 | svensk_neutrino | i want a list of packages on my system with the disk space being consumed by each package |
| 10:04.05 | simonrvn | re-read what i said |
| 10:04.12 | wols | !ds |
| 10:04.13 | dpkg | [ds] a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 10:05.33 | surrounder | oeh nice |
| 10:05.49 | tomacco | does dpkg know everything? |
| 10:05.50 | petemc | dpkg-query can do it |
| 10:06.08 | petemc | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n |
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| 10:08.02 | simonrvn | nice one petemc |
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| 10:13.54 | troubled | petemc: wow, thats so simple, why didnt I think of that command.... ;) |
| 10:14.26 | petemc | :) |
| 10:14.38 | troubled | dpkg-query a new one in etch? |
| 10:14.49 | troubled | dont recall that one before |
| 10:14.50 | petemc | no, its been about for a while |
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| 10:16.30 | infinity0 | i've got an external USB hard drive, which is defined in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab. when i disconnect and reconnect it know what steps to do to re-unlock and re-mount it, and i've been trying to write a shell script to do that automatically |
| 10:16.47 | infinity0 | the problem however, is sometimes the device is registered as /dev/sbd and sometimes as /dev/sbc |
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| 10:16.50 | infinity0 | sdc* |
| 10:16.59 | infinity0 | is there a way to force the device to be registered as /dev/sdb? |
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| 10:17.19 | tofuwarrior | hi, anyone help me work out how to take the output from diffstat and copy all the files it details. Creating the directories on the fly? |
| 10:17.35 | tofuwarrior | I have been using sed to give me a text file with just the filepaths but not sure how to iterate through that copying the files or whether there is a better way. |
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| 10:19.43 | troubled | tofuwarrior: help for |
| 10:21.09 | troubled | tofuwarrior: thinking like: sed ...... > file.save ; for k in `cat file.save`;do cp "$k" .........;done |
| 10:21.14 | tofuwarrior | troubled: would I need to use that in a shell script? |
| 10:21.39 | troubled | tofuwarrior: yes, help for is telling you about the bash version of the command |
| 10:21.42 | tofuwarrior | ahh. ok I'll have a crack. Bit of a nooob when it comes to shell scripting stuff. |
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| 10:22.16 | troubled | tofuwarrior: not that hard. worst case ask here or #bash for tips/tricks. many ways to skin a cat in linux/shells |
| 10:22.18 | tofuwarrior | troubled: is the ; in your post something important? end of line? |
| 10:22.31 | maddash | tofuwarrior: you want sed to inline replace your file? |
| 10:22.38 | troubled | tofuwarrior: in that example yes, ; seperates commands |
| 10:22.50 | tofuwarrior | troubled: ok thanks. |
| 10:23.30 | tofuwarrior | troubled: and the cat in the for statement. What is that? |
| 10:24.04 | tofuwarrior | troubled: ahh.just did man cat. |
| 10:24.05 | troubled | tofuwarrior: takes the results for the file.save and uses them for the for loop variable $k |
| 10:24.20 | tofuwarrior | troubled: thanks for your help. |
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| 10:28.43 | masus | hi all, how to change the order of ifaces on bootup for example |
| 10:28.51 | masus | eth2 , eth0 , eth1 |
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| 10:30.03 | masus | "/etc/network/run/ifstate tehre is something with order but it does not take effect" |
| 10:30.58 | masus | i have solve the problem thanks |
| 10:30.59 | masus | :) |
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| 10:37.06 | RichiH | is there any tool to empty, not delete, a file? |
| 10:37.25 | troubled | cat /dev/null /file? |
| 10:37.34 | RichiH | duh |
| 10:37.35 | RichiH | thanks |
| 10:37.39 | troubled | np ;) |
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| 10:41.12 | iKernel | which package may I find libqtintf in? |
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| 10:41.28 | simonrvn | !tell iKernel -about search |
| 10:41.50 | iKernel | simonrvn, tried that |
| 10:41.55 | troubled | bah, i cant even get the simple stuff right... :) |
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| 10:42.19 | simonrvn | echo : > file |
| 10:42.36 | simonrvn | catting /dev/null to it |
| 10:42.49 | simonrvn | touch file after rming it |
| 10:43.11 | simonrvn | even : > file works |
| 10:43.28 | troubled | simonrvn: wth is this lol. "take off your colors!" |
| 10:43.28 | RichiH | troubled: yah, i parsed that in, myself :p |
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| 10:44.03 | troubled | RichiH: ya, i figured it would be ok hehe |
| 10:44.04 | simonrvn | er? |
| 10:44.11 | troubled | simonrvn: rez dogs |
| 10:44.19 | simonrvn | oh hehehe |
| 10:44.34 | simonrvn | gangs on the rez, sorta thing |
| 10:44.48 | RichiH | simonrvn: > foo is neat |
| 10:45.05 | RichiH | it is also highly dangerous when pasting an email ;) |
| 10:45.08 | simonrvn | : ~= /bin/true |
| 10:45.14 | simonrvn | yeh ;) |
| 10:45.35 | iKernel | which package may I find libqtintf in? |
| 10:45.36 | tofuwarrior | troubled: I've written my script but when I do ./script.sh I get an error - 'permission denied' even when I'm root. Is that to do with accessing the script or something that has happened within the script? |
| 10:45.56 | troubled | tofuwarrior: sorry, troubled isnt here anymore. im a different troubled |
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| 10:46.00 | simonrvn | !+find libqtintf |
| 10:46.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:46.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libqtintf' returned no results. |
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| 10:46.24 | troubled | tofuwarrior: ls -l script.sh |
| 10:46.26 | simonrvn | iKernel: google it then |
| 10:46.37 | troubled | tofuwarrior: probably missing shebang though |
| 10:46.38 | iKernel | simonrvn, tried that too |
| 10:46.51 | simonrvn | iKernel: either debian has it, but different name, or debian hasn't packaged it yet |
| 10:47.01 | tofuwarrior | troubled: thnaks.no execute permission. |
| 10:47.29 | troubled | hmm guess that is so. shebang doesnt exactly fit that error. meh. gratz :) |
| 10:47.47 | iKernel | simonrvn, seems to come with qt3 |
| 10:48.13 | troubled | simonrvn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Teq8-3Xitxc |
| 10:52.06 | simonrvn | iKernel: dpkg -L libqtwhateverthenameis |
| 10:52.26 | simonrvn | troubled: heh i think i've seen that one =) |
| 10:52.32 | troubled | :) |
| 10:52.32 | masus | there are 21 debian cds which one is with ltsp does anybody know ? |
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| 10:53.06 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 10:53.06 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 10:53.29 | simonrvn | urgh |
| 10:53.45 | simonrvn | brb |
| 10:54.09 | maddash_ | ugh. cups 1.3.0 breaks gtk+2.0. ugh. |
| 10:54.20 | maddash_ | damn package doesn't even build |
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| 11:00.51 | maddash | !apt-utils |
| 11:00.56 | maddash | !aptutils |
| 11:00.59 | maddash | !apt |
| 11:00.59 | dpkg | from memory, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
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| 11:04.37 | keropok | !zimbra |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdps' returned no results. |
| 11:05.50 | simonrvn | zimbra isn't in debian |
| 11:05.58 | maddash | wtf is zimbra? |
| 11:06.41 | Vorbote | keropok: If you want to install zimbra in Etch, you'll have better luck using the Ubuntu packages. The Debian packages are for Sarge. |
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| 11:07.49 | simmerz|work | what is the difference between a "system" user and a non-system user when adding users? |
| 11:07.56 | Vorbote | maddash: zimbra is a groupware thing with a OSS/propietary model like MySQL; sooo good Yahoo bought it this week. |
| 11:09.18 | simmerz|work | zimbra++ |
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| 11:09.55 | maddash | Vorbote: if [ grep -e '(non\-free)|(propriet)' <your funky pkg> != "" ]; then echo "You're fucked. append non-free or contrib to your sources.list. or use google." |
| 11:10.56 | simmerz|work | maddash: zimbra has a fully open source base. it's just the proprietory additions that are "paid for" |
| 11:11.06 | simmerz|work | things like MAPI support |
| 11:11.27 | simmerz|work | and an outlook connector |
| 11:11.28 | Vorbote | They are not in any self-respecting linux distro repos. you have to download the installers from their web site. Yet, I'll tell you this: my clients think the Horde is a joke and always ask for Zimbra. "Look, ma, colors up in the sky...." |
| 11:11.52 | maddash | not sure then. tack on "|(grey.area)|(gray.area)" |
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| 11:12.06 | simmerz|work | maddash: heh |
| 11:12.14 | jaggz1 | ttyl |
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| 11:12.42 | simmerz|work | Vorbote: interestingly, they have recently started supporting Ubuntu on their commercial versions |
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| 11:13.27 | dennis- | anyone from the netherlands willing to test the reachability of a site for me? |
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| 11:14.10 | Vorbote | They've done it from the begining. If we are going conspirationst on this one, let's make it clear: the illuminati made them do it. |
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| 11:14.53 | shudder | hey guys. is there any free version of quake that i can use in my debian etch? |
| 11:14.57 | shudder | i mean as a package in apt |
| 11:15.00 | maddash | Piet: whoa. neat. how'd you get tor working? |
| 11:17.21 | maddash | !ping |
| 11:17.23 | maddash | !hi |
| 11:17.29 | maddash | !omfg you died |
| 11:17.33 | maddash | %hi |
| 11:17.47 | maddash | dondelelcaro: where's your bot? |
| 11:17.56 | troubled | dpk |
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| 11:18.17 | maddash | OH NO, DPKG DIED! |
| 11:19.04 | troubled | ~ping |
| 11:19.04 | apt | pong |
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| 11:19.10 | troubled | use the backup |
| 11:19.23 | maddash | who? |
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| 11:19.30 | troubled | use ~ |
| 11:19.32 | maddash | apt: you'll die too!!! |
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| 11:20.04 | troubled | would be nice to add a backup/takeover bot if the primary dies though |
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| 11:24.25 | Piet | maddash: it's been working all the time. try looking at the topic in #tor |
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| 11:26.28 | maddash | !apt-build |
| 11:26.28 | dpkg | from memory, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
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| 11:27.52 | colo_mobile | hi all. |
| 11:28.09 | colo_mobile | could anyone with debian testing or unstable please check if he/she got a file "/lib/udev/iftab_helper" on his system? |
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| 11:28.30 | maddash | !apt-build |
| 11:28.30 | dpkg | hmm... apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 11:28.45 | maddash | colo_mobile: none. |
| 11:29.05 | colo_mobile | hm, I see. neither on testing, nor on unstable, I take it? |
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| 11:29.32 | Piet | colo_mobile: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=iftab_helper&mode=exactfilename&suite=unstable&arch=any |
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| 11:30.36 | maddash | !maddash+=222 |
| 11:30.39 | maddash | !maddash++ |
| 11:30.51 | maddash | why not? I deserve it. |
| 11:31.12 | troubled | !karma maddash |
| 11:31.12 | dpkg | maddash has neutral karma |
| 11:31.23 | troubled | awww, cant karma yourself? :) |
| 11:31.28 | maddash | actually, I don't give a damn. :P |
| 11:31.32 | colo_mobile | Piet: thanks, that's one nifty site to know :) |
| 11:31.35 | troubled | !maddash++ |
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| 11:31.39 | maddash | :( |
| 11:31.39 | troubled | !karma maddash |
| 11:31.39 | dpkg | maddash has karma of 1 |
| 11:31.52 | maddash | it's opposite day. heh. |
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| 11:32.23 | a-atwood | maddash++ |
| 11:32.38 | a-atwood | !maddash++ |
| 11:32.38 | maddash | a-atwood: you forgot the '!'. |
| 11:32.42 | a-atwood | heh heh. |
| 11:32.55 | a-atwood | what I get for operation on 5 hrs sleep |
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| 11:35.38 | Juul | hey, i'm trying to install debian etch on a Via EPIA EX 10000EG mini-itx board and my SATA harddrive is showing up as /dev/hda and giving me weird SMART errors. Shouldn't it show up as /dev/sda ? any hints would be appreciated |
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| 11:36.06 | wols | define !weird SMART errors" please |
| 11:36.08 | Juul | i should say that the harddrive is a brand new Western Digital RE drive |
| 11:36.38 | Juul | wols, is it ok to paste four lines here? |
| 11:37.37 | Juul | wols, http://pastebin.com/m1d71015e |
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| 11:37.58 | Juul | that was the error i got while mkfs.ext3 was running |
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| 11:38.34 | wols | ugly :( |
| 11:38.51 | wols | what controller does the epia use (lspci= |
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| 11:39.05 | wols | could be a driver, controller or cable issue |
| 11:39.15 | wols | I think the drive is probably not to blame |
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| 11:41.12 | Juul | wols, Via VT8237 i believe |
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| 11:41.36 | Juul | wols, we changed the cable, so it's not that at least |
| 11:42.21 | Vorbote | Juul: there seems to be a problem with the libata driver for via chipsets (I sometimes get similar errors in my board). |
| 11:43.05 | Juul | Vorbote, oh. any fixes or workarounds you know of? |
| 11:43.15 | Vorbote | linux 2.6.23 |
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| 11:43.48 | Juul | Vorbote, :) |
| 11:44.00 | ruben_ | Hello, using unix mail command, what is the way to use a remote host instead of localhost? |
| 11:44.12 | Juul | is there a way of using 2.6.23 for the debian etch installer? |
| 11:44.28 | Juul | or should i just use a live-cd and install manually from there? |
| 11:44.37 | wols | !custom cd |
| 11:44.37 | dpkg | custom cd is, like, So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 11:44.52 | Juul | thanks |
| 11:44.53 | wols | !kumto |
| 11:44.56 | wols | !kmuto |
| 11:44.56 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:45.04 | wols | first look at kmuto |
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| 12:01.23 | Stinger | where can I go to get intermediate deb packages for x.org |
| 12:01.50 | Stinger | i.e. higher than etch but less than sid (which wants to reinstall my entire system it seems) |
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| 12:02.25 | wols | backports |
| 12:02.34 | wols | !tell Stinger about backports |
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| 12:05.16 | Hoxzer | has somebody here used Gmailfs lately ? |
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| 12:08.06 | AbsintheSyringe | is there anything wrong between in reiserfs/debian relation? |
| 12:08.24 | wols | not really. I run a reiser3 filesystem for several years now. |
| 12:08.30 | AbsintheSyringe | for second time this is my complete reiser root partition failure |
| 12:08.33 | wols | incl. poewr outages and such. no problems so far |
| 12:08.42 | wols | failure how? |
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| 12:08.52 | wols | and any special reason you use reiser? |
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| 12:08.58 | wols | e.g. maildir spools? |
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| 12:09.23 | AbsintheSyringe | wols, no not, really I'm just reiserfs fans, fan of it's algorythms too, nothing special, also fan for awhile now |
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| 12:09.34 | AbsintheSyringe | ok, I was just wondering that's all |
| 12:09.49 | wols | if you don#t have any special requirements: use ext3 |
| 12:09.58 | AbsintheSyringe | and by failure I mean when whole fs get's fscked up |
| 12:10.06 | AbsintheSyringe | why? |
| 12:10.29 | AbsintheSyringe | I think I'll have problems moving back to ext3 after reiserfs |
| 12:10.31 | wols | cause it's the most thorougly tested by dar |
| 12:10.39 | AbsintheSyringe | oh k |
| 12:10.41 | wols | why? what's different for you then? |
| 12:10.57 | AbsintheSyringe | it's much slower, second I hate that 20reboots check |
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| 12:11.30 | wols | e2fsck |
| 12:11.40 | wols | and it's not slower. you usually don't notice |
| 12:11.50 | wols | the slowest part in all is your harddisk itself |
| 12:13.11 | AbsintheSyringe | hm ... yea, any "cure" for 20th boot fs check? |
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| 12:13.50 | Hoxzer | is there any way to check how much are installed packages taking space on my HDD ? |
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| 12:15.20 | Hoxzer | I'm having terrible problems with my system HDD being full all the time |
| 12:15.26 | Hoxzer | causes serious problems... :/ |
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| 12:15.42 | rumpl | apt-get clean |
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| 12:16.18 | Hoxzer | rumpl: yeah, that removes deb-packages but I'm talkking about files that come from them |
| 12:17.01 | sep | Hoxzer, purge some packages then, or remove some p0rn |
| 12:17.01 | Hoxzer | :P INteresting my logfiles are 1GB |
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| 12:17.26 | Hoxzer | sep: I'm trying to figure out is it really those installed packages that take space or not. |
| 12:17.33 | Hoxzer | sep: 15:13 < Hoxzer> is there any way to check how much are installed packages taking space on my HDD ? |
| 12:17.39 | rumpl | dpkg -l | less , look and remove all that tou don't need. |
| 12:17.39 | dpkg | ii | less , look and remove all that tou don't need. 2.4-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 12:25.25 | GutterPunk | I'm currently using a live cd. I modprobed my 3ware raid driver and modprobed the sata drivers. Shouldn't this automatically generate the device files for my sata disks? or what should I do next? |
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| 12:26.09 | wols | GutterPunk: what debian version? |
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| 12:26.44 | GutterPunk | wols: Oh I thought this was generic :/ it's actually a gentoo live cd.. Does this make a difference? |
| 12:27.04 | wols | yes. we support debian, and debian only. ask #gentoo |
| 12:27.34 | GutterPunk | wols: will do |
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| 12:28.18 | GutterPunk | I'm currently using a live cd. I modprobed my 3ware raid driver and modprobed the sata drivers. Shouldn't this automatically generate the device files for my sata disks? or what should I do next? |
| 12:28.21 | GutterPunk | woops |
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| 12:28.23 | GutterPunk | sorry :D |
| 12:28.45 | GutterPunk | That was meant for the gentoo channel of course |
| 12:28.47 | fff | after installing debian by cp -ar of files, how to create new MBR? |
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| 12:29.04 | fff | (moving to biggre hard drive) |
| 12:29.11 | wols | fff: reinstall grub |
| 12:29.36 | wols | fff: grub-install |
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| 12:35.21 | user1__ | can i setup a sip server on debian |
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| 12:37.34 | troubled | user1__: asterisk perhaps? |
| 12:38.18 | user1__ | yes |
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| 12:50.01 | jpieper-work | Does dpkg have an option to force installation of the maintainer's configuration files, even if they have not changed in an upgraded version? |
| 12:50.50 | sep | !confmiss |
| 12:50.50 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 12:51.47 | jpieper-work | I'm not particularly interested in missing configuration files, but rather ones that have been modified in-situ. I would like to force them back to the maintainer's version. |
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| 12:58.51 | fff | when moving a Debian from one hard drive to another I copy all by cp -ar, but what to do with /dev ? |
| 12:59.02 | Absolute0 | !deb |
| 12:59.03 | dpkg | it has been said that deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 12:59.12 | Absolute0 | how do i install a deb file? |
| 12:59.19 | fff | Absolute0: dpkg -i |
| 12:59.20 | Absolute0 | dpkg -i *deb? |
| 12:59.20 | dpkg | package *deb is already installed |
| 12:59.22 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 13:01.00 | hamada | fff: it's better to use a backup tool and then to extract everything into the other disk |
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| 13:01.19 | fff | isn't cp -ar sufficent backup tools? |
| 13:01.32 | abrotman | depends on your needs |
| 13:02.54 | Absolute0 | !jre |
| 13:02.54 | dpkg | methinks jre is adding 'deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody main non-free' to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.3 or deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody main non-free, or see blackdown.org for the latest status. Yes, this works on potato and sid too, even though it says woody BTW: Java Runtime Environment. |
| 13:03.03 | abrotman | Absolute0: please msg the bot |
| 13:03.11 | Absolute0 | sowwy |
| 13:03.11 | abrotman | !tell Absolute0 about install java |
| 13:03.19 | Absolute0 | that dpkg is outdated anyways :-P |
| 13:03.25 | Absolute0 | it says woody |
| 13:03.30 | Absolute0 | we're using etch now |
| 13:03.30 | abrotman | i see that |
| 13:03.30 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 13:03.34 | abrotman | you think ? |
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| 13:03.39 | Absolute0 | no i know! |
| 13:03.40 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 13:03.49 | simmerz|work | making an iso from a cd is as simple as dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/iso ? |
| 13:03.59 | hamada | here is a nice tutorial about tar backup: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087&highlight=tar+backup |
| 13:04.00 | Absolute0 | apt-get install sun-java5-jre doesnt want to work |
| 13:04.01 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:04.04 | abrotman | simmerz|work: yes |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman | Absolute0: did you read the whole thing ? |
| 13:04.41 | abrotman | you likely need non-free and contrib sources |
| 13:05.50 | wols | abrotman: that !jre factoid is totally useless :( |
| 13:05.55 | Absolute0 | i have them |
| 13:05.58 | Absolute0 | let me double check |
| 13:06.06 | abrotman | wols: i just changed it |
| 13:06.30 | Absolute0 | yup they're there |
| 13:06.30 | wols | !praise abrotman |
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| 13:06.35 | abrotman | it's still not quite right .. but it's way way better |
| 13:06.48 | wols | !tell Absolute0 about errors |
| 13:06.59 | Absolute0 | apt-get suggests i use apt-get install with -f |
| 13:07.18 | wols | !tell Absolute0 about bat |
| 13:07.20 | abrotman | so try it |
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| 13:07.43 | Absolute0 | does debian have a pkg that pastes output to some pastebin? |
| 13:07.49 | Absolute0 | nopaste? |
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| 13:08.00 | abrotman | Absolute0: did you try apt-get -f install ? |
| 13:08.10 | Absolute0 | i am too scared to try that |
| 13:08.11 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:08.16 | abrotman | just damn try it |
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| 13:08.25 | Absolute0 | but its missing half of the dependencies!! |
| 13:08.48 | wols | !paste |
| 13:08.48 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:08.49 | bayer | i have a strange file with no permissions and no owner in /etc/. only '?' is shown as owner, and when i try to do anything with that file (as root) i get a 'permission denied' |
| 13:08.52 | abrotman | !tell Absolute0 about pastewithoutx |
| 13:09.05 | abrotman | bayer: time to fsck your file system |
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| 13:09.19 | Absolute0 | here: http://rafb.net/p/5ScG2f64.html |
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| 13:09.48 | abrotman | are you on amd64 ? |
| 13:10.15 | Absolute0 | me? |
| 13:10.20 | akuehntopf | anyone have the same problem? when trying to startx, it gives me error message: xf86Sighandler+0x81, using NVIDIA proprietary driver. i read on google but nothing helped...even downgrading udev |
| 13:10.37 | akuehntopf | system is debian testing |
| 13:10.44 | Absolute0 | wols: i wanted something like <command> > nopaste and that would automatically paste the output, but thanks anyways |
| 13:10.47 | Absolute0 | ;) |
| 13:10.55 | yolkaplexus | hello, does anyone experience a probleme in using LD_ASSUME_KERNEL in the libc6 on lenny/sid ? |
| 13:11.05 | Absolute0 | akuehntopf: run nvidia-xconfig |
| 13:11.13 | akuehntopf | Absolute0, i did that, it did not help |
| 13:11.16 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 13:11.21 | akuehntopf | xorg.conf is setup correctly |
| 13:11.22 | Absolute0 | then i dont know |
| 13:11.33 | akuehntopf | i read it has something to do with debian glibc bug |
| 13:11.40 | Absolute0 | just use the open source driver for now.. |
| 13:11.42 | akuehntopf | but couldn't found a workaround |
| 13:11.45 | akuehntopf | find |
| 13:11.46 | akuehntopf | :P |
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| 13:11.59 | wols | akuehntopf: pastebin your xorg log |
| 13:12.11 | Absolute0 | so abrotman you know whats wrong with jre? |
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| 13:12.13 | akuehntopf | it gives me a garbled screen |
| 13:12.16 | akuehntopf | (the nv driver) |
| 13:12.34 | Overflow | hi guys, how do i find my linux vesion |
| 13:12.44 | abrotman | Absolute0: are you on amd64 ? |
| 13:12.47 | abrotman | !version |
| 13:12.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 13:12.50 | akuehntopf | wols, a second please |
| 13:13.23 | akuehntopf | btw |
| 13:13.32 | akuehntopf | that garbled screen problem only appears on kernel > 2.6.20 |
| 13:13.38 | akuehntopf | 2.6.18 works |
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| 13:13.59 | Overflow | how do i find my kernel version? |
| 13:14.07 | abrotman | Overflow: cat /proc/version |
| 13:14.08 | erikandre | uname -a |
| 13:14.18 | bayer | Overflow, read what dpkg wrote |
| 13:14.38 | Absolute0 | abrotman: i am on pentium dualcore |
| 13:14.40 | erikandre | Aboute postfixadmin and postfix |
| 13:15.01 | Overflow | thx |
| 13:15.02 | abrotman | Absolute0: you're still not answering the question |
| 13:15.06 | erikandre | IS there any easy howto`s out there. I wanna learn how to setup postfixadmin and postfix |
| 13:15.11 | abrotman | bayer: did you fsck it ? |
| 13:15.27 | mykhal | hi, on my mychine, user "source" has been generated, I'm not sure whether autmatically or by some attack.. it has some password set, and it's a member of src.. does debian aut |
| 13:15.31 | Overflow | how do i downgrade my kernel to 2.2? |
| 13:15.47 | wols | erikandre: dunno about postfixadmin but: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ |
| 13:15.49 | bayer | abrotman, still fscking, had to reboot, because its mounted on / |
| 13:15.52 | mykhal | s/aut/use the source account ?/ |
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| 13:15.59 | abrotman | bayer: right .. okay |
| 13:16.00 | wols | Overflow: what debian evrsion are you running exactly? |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | Overflow: jesus .. why? |
| 13:16.21 | bayer | abrotman, i'll get back to you if it doesn't help - thanks so far |
| 13:16.25 | Absolute0 | abrotman: how is that, if i am on intel dual core, then obviously i am not on amd64P |
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| 13:16.49 | abrotman | Absolute0: you can run amd64 and i386 on thos |
| 13:16.50 | abrotman | those |
| 13:16.52 | Absolute0 | whatever the -f seems to work |
| 13:16.56 | wols | mykhal: I don't find any user "source" here. I very much doubt debian would use it |
| 13:17.03 | Absolute0 | no i tried and it didnt work |
| 13:17.04 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:17.22 | Overflow | im running 2.6.18 |
| 13:17.23 | Absolute0 | well i tried the archlinux iso and it didnt work |
| 13:17.26 | abrotman | Absolute0: paste your sources (/etc/apt/sources.list) somewhere |
| 13:17.28 | Absolute0 | i should try out the debian one |
| 13:17.29 | wols | Absolute0: you still can run it on newer intel machines. so what are you running or are you too dumb to answer a simple question? |
| 13:17.29 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:17.33 | abrotman | Overflow: so why do you want a 2.2 kernel ? |
| 13:17.53 | Absolute0 | i am running the i386 debian |
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| 13:17.59 | Overflow | actually im trying to help my friend's linux he cant load shell for some reason |
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| 13:18.01 | wols | Overflow: I asked you for your debian version not your kernel version. 2.6.18 is probably etch in which case you can't |
| 13:18.16 | abrotman | Overflow: is it debian ? |
| 13:18.24 | Overflow | im affraid not |
| 13:18.24 | Absolute0 | people in here today are very angry |
| 13:18.25 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:18.37 | defrysk | no im not goddammit |
| 13:18.44 | Overflow | he is a red hat trator :) |
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| 13:19.10 | wols | Overflow: ask #redhat then. we don't support redhat |
| 13:19.45 | defrysk | we support people that switch from RedHat > Debian |
| 13:19.47 | Overflow | yeah i know... im a debian user myself and get a lot of help here so i figured |
| 13:19.49 | Absolute0 | does amd64 work better than i386 on dual-core intels or its the same exact thing? |
| 13:19.59 | wols | Overflow: and if you want to help him by installing the same software he has, only installing his RH version willl help you. not debian |
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| 13:20.23 | Overflow | mmm |
| 13:20.24 | wols | Absolute0: if you want to run a desktop, you probably don't want amd64. unless you have >2GB RAM |
| 13:20.31 | Overflow | thx anyways guys |
| 13:20.36 | Absolute0 | great |
| 13:20.37 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 13:20.37 | wols | Absolute0: only then will the advantages outstrip the negatives usually |
| 13:20.46 | Absolute0 | like what advantages? |
| 13:20.57 | wols | like being able o use all memory easily |
| 13:21.01 | wols | *to |
| 13:21.08 | Overflow | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 13:21.09 | Overflow | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r1 (etch) |
| 13:21.09 | Overflow | Release: 4.0r1 |
| 13:21.09 | Overflow | Codename: etch |
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| 13:21.10 | Absolute0 | nevermind |
| 13:21.12 | wols | som software like media encoding works faster |
| 13:21.16 | Absolute0 | 64bit is bs |
| 13:21.32 | Absolute0 | all the motherboards are 32bits anyways |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 13:21.41 | wols | Absolute0: not that bad, but much shitty proprietary software like java, flash, etc is not available on 64bit yet |
| 13:21.46 | Absolute0 | unless you get one of the expensive computers |
| 13:21.54 | abrotman | make it stop |
| 13:21.57 | wols | Absolute0: that's wrong |
| 13:22.05 | wols | !comfort abrotman |
| 13:22.05 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 13:23.18 | Hoxzer | is it safe to delete .gz files in the /var/log/ ? |
| 13:23.25 | Hoxzer | are htey just old logs ? |
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| 13:23.34 | wols | yes they're old logs |
| 13:23.37 | ADN_ | !seen einsen |
| 13:23.37 | Hoxzer | ok |
| 13:23.38 | dpkg | ADN_: i haven't seen 'einsen' |
| 13:23.47 | wols | logrotate will delete them sometime in the future automatically |
| 13:23.55 | ADN_ | Enigma ,hello |
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| 13:25.45 | bayer | abrotman, thanks - reiserfs rebuildtree did the trick! |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | ewww .. reiser! |
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| 13:26.03 | bayer | why? |
| 13:26.21 | bayer | whats wrong with reiserfs? |
| 13:26.37 | abrotman | !ricerfs |
| 13:26.38 | dpkg | well, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. |
| 13:26.58 | Absolute0 | are intel hda linux drivers non-working? |
| 13:27.14 | Absolute0 | nothing in dpkg about them |
| 13:27.20 | Absolute0 | and i can't get sound |
| 13:28.02 | rileyrg | I just had to reinstall Debian Testing. Well done to them - suddenly my SATA /Amd 64 system boots. One little problem - mplayer fullscreen plays the video in a tiny section - my last testing played it in fullscreen. There is now a huge black border and the video as about 256x256 in the centre of the black screen. Any ideas? |
| 13:28.23 | AfterDeath | reiserfs is ftw :| |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | bayer: i'd say we have more people in here with reiser problems than any other FS (besides trying to access NTFS) |
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| 13:28.56 | rileyrg | abrotman: accessing ntfs is a package away :-; |
| 13:29.12 | abrotman | rileyrg: i meant the permissions |
| 13:29.19 | Absolute0 | how do i test my sound card? |
| 13:29.23 | Absolute0 | asound .....? |
| 13:29.48 | AfterDeath | abrotman: I use reiserfs on my router, my server, and my desktops. never have problems. |
| 13:29.50 | wols | abrotman: I never had a problem with my reiserfs. ok now that I don't use maildir anymore it's obsolete so new ones I use ext3 or so, but still |
| 13:29.59 | wols | reiser works fine here, or at least not worse than others |
| 13:30.01 | abrotman | AfterDeath: and some people never do ... |
| 13:30.20 | abrotman | AfterDeath: but like i said .. i think we have more issues with it here .. than other Filesystems |
| 13:30.20 | Enigma | ADN_: yea? |
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| 13:30.47 | abrotman | AfterDeath: i've heard horror stories about ext3 and xfs too .. but i've never had issues with them |
| 13:30.54 | abrotman | (other than hardware failure) |
| 13:31.25 | hamada | I can't find a tutorial about making ttf font package anyone knows how? |
| 13:31.30 | ADN_ | Enigma excuse me but are u eisen(ex nickname)? |
| 13:32.06 | abrotman | ADN_: if you'd have spelled the nick correctly the first time .. you'd have seen that eisen was last here 53 days ago |
| 13:32.50 | ADN_ | abrotman ,im not pefect :p excuse me! |
| 13:32.57 | akuehntopf | on kernel 2.6.18 xorg works (either with nvidia, or nv driver)...after upgrading to > 2.6.20 (now 2.6.21) both drivers do not work anymore: nv produces a garbled screen, the system hangs...nvidia dies with "xf86sighandler:0x81" backtrace... |
| 13:33.02 | akuehntopf | any ideas? |
| 13:33.06 | abrotman | akuehntopf: checked the BTS ? |
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| 13:33.13 | akuehntopf | bts? |
| 13:33.21 | bayer | abrotman, i'll consider that the next time i set up a machine |
| 13:33.26 | wols | abrotman: I asked you for something. something you still haven't given us |
| 13:33.30 | ADN_ | Enigma,u're eisen? lol im confused! |
| 13:33.31 | Absolute0 | what should i use to get onto my schools 802.1x wireless network? |
| 13:33.34 | wols | !bts |
| 13:33.34 | abrotman | wols: ? |
| 13:33.34 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:33.48 | wols | Absolute0: a computer! with WLAN! |
| 13:33.56 | wols | akuehntopf: I asked you for something. something you still haven't given us |
| 13:33.58 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 13:34.05 | Absolute0 | wols: what software? |
| 13:34.07 | wols | abrotman: your undying love and sex on request of course |
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| 13:34.13 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:34.14 | akuehntopf | wols, the problem is not with the xorg.conf |
| 13:34.16 | wols | Absolute0: debian |
| 13:34.17 | akuehntopf | it works with 2.6.18 |
| 13:34.28 | akuehntopf | after rebooting with 2.6.21 it stops working with the given message |
| 13:34.28 | wols | akuehntopf: no one asked you about xorg.conf. well at least not me |
| 13:34.37 | Absolute0 | i need to be prompted for username and password, network manager only asks for password and that doesnt connect |
| 13:34.39 | akuehntopf | xorg log says nothing |
| 13:34.44 | akuehntopf | no errors there |
| 13:34.48 | akuehntopf | and no warnings |
| 13:34.54 | abrotman | BUGS.DEBIAN.ORG |
| 13:34.56 | wols | akuehntopf: then you can easily show it to us |
| 13:35.00 | slashzul | judy8386 |
| 13:35.09 | akuehntopf | ok gotta copy it first |
| 13:35.10 | slashzul | waddup |
| 13:35.36 | wols | liable: we're wating for the 3rd member. no prizes for guessing who this is. how do you look naked again liable? |
| 13:36.06 | liable | wols: what can i say? SEXY! YARR! |
| 13:36.21 | Absolute0 | wols: 802.1x is a special wireless protocol |
| 13:36.32 | Absolute0 | network manager only supports wpa |
| 13:37.19 | Absolute0 | xsupplicant has a huge config file |
| 13:37.26 | Absolute0 | and i have no idea where to start configuring |
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| 13:38.13 | akuehntopf | wols |
| 13:38.14 | akuehntopf | http://rafb.net/p/nUb0KJ28.html |
| 13:38.39 | wols | Absolute0: e.g. http://www.linux.com/base/ldp/howto/8021X-HOWTO/index.html |
| 13:39.43 | Enigma | ADN_: No I'm confused because I'm NOT eisen .... |
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| 13:41.03 | wols | akuehntopf: tried another 2.6.21 kernel than the 486 one? also the nvidia module is loaded and appears to work fine? |
| 13:41.14 | akuehntopf | yes |
| 13:41.17 | akuehntopf | nvidia module loads |
| 13:41.20 | akuehntopf | no problem there |
| 13:41.25 | akuehntopf | but it's gotta be something else |
| 13:41.29 | akuehntopf | because "nv" stops working, too |
| 13:41.35 | akuehntopf | something with the kernel |
| 13:41.51 | abrotman | akuehntopf: try a kernel from sid? |
| 13:41.52 | wols | as I said: use another one. doubt you have a 486 there... |
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| 13:42.12 | akuehntopf | its an amd64 processor |
| 13:42.24 | akuehntopf | but i wanna run it in 32bit compat mode |
| 13:42.26 | wols | then use a k7 or k8 cpu |
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| 13:42.35 | wols | use the k7 or k8 kernel then |
| 13:42.52 | wols | faster than your current choice. and able to use the dualcore if it is one |
| 13:43.09 | akuehntopf | no it isn't |
| 13:43.16 | akuehntopf | its just a plain stupid sempron cpu =) |
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| 13:43.33 | akuehntopf | but well i'm gonna install linux-image-k7, as you told me |
| 13:43.44 | akuehntopf | i have to rebuild nvidia driver, right? |
| 13:43.45 | Absolute0 | is there a single .rc file that i can use to startup my programs with every WM? |
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| 13:44.21 | Eulex | akuehntopf, you need at least version 100.14.19 of the nvidia driver for it to work with xorg 7.3 |
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| 13:45.07 | akuehntopf | is it xorg 7.3? |
| 13:45.10 | cast | question: if i have a printer that works with cups in i386, as i understand it it should work in amd64 right? |
| 13:45.11 | akuehntopf | i don't remember |
| 13:45.11 | akuehntopf | :) |
| 13:45.31 | akuehntopf | Eulex, |
| 13:45.38 | akuehntopf | as i see here, it is version 7.2-5 |
| 13:45.45 | yolkaplexus | how to fill a bug report ? |
| 13:45.45 | akuehntopf | (the package i installed) |
| 13:45.56 | yolkaplexus | sending a mail to the maintainer ? |
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| 13:47.08 | Hoxzer | somebody here tried gmailfs ? |
| 13:47.11 | akuehntopf | wols: rebooting..we will see =) |
| 13:47.15 | wols | gl |
| 13:47.19 | akuehntopf | thx |
| 13:47.20 | akuehntopf | =) |
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| 13:47.30 | wols | !tell yolkaplexus about reportbug |
| 13:47.41 | abrotman | yolkaplexus: bugs.debian.org tells you a few methods |
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| 13:48.50 | Eulex | akuehntopf, nm, right |
| 13:48.58 | akuehntopf | wols: did not change anything..still same errors |
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| 13:49.10 | abrotman | akuehntopf: you might also need a sid kernel to go with that |
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| 13:49.20 | akuehntopf | hmm |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | akuehntopf: which is why i suggested you check bugs.debian.org |
| 13:49.29 | akuehntopf | what does that mean? |
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| 13:49.33 | akuehntopf | install from unstable? |
| 13:49.34 | abrotman | you know .. where people file bugs about stuff that doesn't work |
| 13:49.37 | akuehntopf | :P |
| 13:49.41 | akuehntopf | i searched through it |
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| 13:49.46 | akuehntopf | and found nothing that helper |
| 13:49.48 | akuehntopf | helped |
| 13:50.02 | akuehntopf | i also don't think it's debian's fault |
| 13:50.11 | yolkaplexus | thx a lot |
| 13:50.12 | akuehntopf | :D |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | i'm pretty damn sure it's nvidia's fault |
| 13:50.28 | akuehntopf | but why does the "nv" driver stop working, too? |
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| 13:50.37 | akuehntopf | gotta be something with the kernel |
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| 13:51.33 | rumpl | akuehntopf, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=95883 |
| 13:51.47 | Absolute0 | anyone here was able to run msoffice under wine? |
| 13:51.52 | akuehntopf | yes, rumpl i stumbled upon that post, too |
| 13:51.55 | akuehntopf | but i searched the forum |
| 13:52.00 | akuehntopf | and it returned no other results |
| 13:52.02 | akuehntopf | strangely |
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| 13:54.35 | DGnome | Uhm, package alternatives confusing me.. Does cacti require apache or will it install with lighttpd? |
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| 13:55.19 | RainerZu1all | Hi |
| 13:55.24 | hamada | anyone know how to package TTF font?any tutorial? |
| 13:55.30 | cast | DGnome: use the simulate option and see :) |
| 13:55.38 | RainerZu1all | How can I Use The Kernel of Lenny in Etch? |
| 13:55.57 | cast | RainerZu1all: why not use a bpo kernel |
| 13:56.09 | RainerZu1all | bpo ? |
| 13:56.19 | cast | !tell RainerZu1all about bpo |
| 13:56.32 | DGnome | cast: I've installed all dependencies but the bugger still tries to install libapache-mod-php4 + deps :/ |
| 13:56.39 | slashzul | how do you update a specific package , not the whole system. Im getting Internal errors |
| 13:57.00 | RainerZu1all | how can i use bpo with aptitude ? |
| 13:57.14 | petemc | slashzul: aptitude install package |
| 13:57.35 | hamada | slashzul: try apt-get update youpkg.deb |
| 13:57.42 | cast | RainerZu1all: read what dpkg said. |
| 13:57.52 | harpal | Is it good to call perl script from bash script. I have made bash script for startup |
| 13:58.09 | cast | hamada: you sure? o_0 |
| 13:58.13 | DGnome | cast: thanks, solved it :) |
| 13:58.14 | akuehntopf | i read something about conflicting TLS versions of nvidia glx |
| 13:58.23 | akuehntopf | or NTPL support in glibc |
| 13:58.24 | slashzul | getting errors: will require removing essential package e2fsprogs due to conflicts / predepends |
| 13:58.27 | akuehntopf | no idea what that is :p |
| 13:58.30 | cast | harpal: sure, why not. |
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| 13:58.38 | petemc | !e2fsprogs |
| 13:58.38 | dpkg | hmm... e2fsprogs is if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 13:58.52 | harpal | cast: thanx |
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| 13:59.10 | RainerZu1all | cast: thx, i`ll try it! |
| 13:59.17 | slashzul | got it. so to upgrade to fully stable then apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:59.25 | slashzul | dont want to break anything just upgrade... |
| 13:59.45 | hamada | not really:-/ |
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| 14:00.08 | petemc | slashzul: what are you running now? |
| 14:00.13 | RainerZu1all | cast: I've Problems with Memory Management. |
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| 14:00.20 | RainerZu1all | cast: memtest is ok. |
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| 14:00.47 | slashzul | an old debian 3.0 |
| 14:00.53 | slashzul | 2.4.18 kernel |
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| 14:01.12 | slashzul | any docs on how to upgrade. |
| 14:01.14 | cast | slashzul: use aptitude for upgrading :) [and afterwards] |
| 14:01.14 | petemc | slashzul: you should upgrade to olstable , then to stable |
| 14:01.41 | slashzul | cant install aptitude without breaking stuff |
| 14:01.54 | petemc | slashzul: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 14:01.57 | junix-other | is the next testing release of debian codenamed lenny?? |
| 14:02.15 | wols | your X crashes for some reason. maybe try to upgrade X itself? |
| 14:02.16 | petemc | slashzul: after that, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:02.17 | wols | junix-other: yes |
| 14:02.23 | junix-other | wols: thanks |
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| 14:05.03 | azeem | stew: wb |
| 14:05.16 | stew | azeem: thanks, it's good to be back |
| 14:05.20 | stew | happy friday |
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| 14:05.31 | petemc | pub in t minus 2 hours |
| 14:05.33 | akuehntopf | wols, any other idea what i could try? |
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| 14:09.46 | sharika | hi i am using istanbul to record a desktop session but the ogg theora it created is not playing...can i have a better alternative or what could be wrong with istanbul? |
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| 14:10.06 | cast | xvidcap perhaps |
| 14:10.51 | junix-other | what is the difference between apache2 and apache2-mpm?? |
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| 14:12.19 | cast | junix-other: read. |
| 14:12.25 | junix-other | k |
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| 14:18.09 | gdsx | grr |
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| 14:21.39 | Guerin | woah ... xsdg has a .mit.edu domain? |
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| 14:23.09 | abrotman | Guerin: feel better? |
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| 14:24.54 | Guerin | abrotman: not really. |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:25.04 | cast | is it just me or is cups stupid? the printers off but it hasn't seemed to have worked that out -_- |
| 14:25.07 | Guerin | i had hoped for much more |
| 14:25.11 | RainerZu1all | bye and thanks |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | but i had an mit.edu hostmask! |
| 14:25.46 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, but yours was clearly fake. Wasn't even in GREAT RUNES |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | Guerin: it was not fake at all |
| 14:26.06 | Guerin | totally 100% genuine fake |
| 14:26.11 | abrotman | i can do it again! |
| 14:26.21 | Guerin | ok, i believe you |
| 14:26.29 | Guerin | bedtime for little guerins now |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | you have kids?! |
| 14:26.36 | Guerin | g'night |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | later |
| 14:26.45 | Guerin | god, no |
| 14:26.50 | Guerin | not to my knowledge, anyhow |
| 14:26.55 | Guerin | ;) |
| 14:27.02 | helo | cups' printer status reporting is a little flaky |
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| 14:28.32 | cast | hmmm, current status: printing works in i386 but not amd64. printing a test page makes the rollers turn, but thats all |
| 14:28.47 | cast | am pondering throwing printer out window |
| 14:31.52 | cast | AFAIK there is no alternative to cups for getting this usb bw laser working is there? |
| 14:32.10 | stiv2k | is it normal for nautilus to crash unexpectedly? the pid is still running but my icons are gone and i cant open a file browser |
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| 14:40.05 | cast | gnome-cups-manager just crashed for me :D |
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| 14:42.36 | dv_ | hello |
| 14:42.44 | dv_ | I have a weird problem here. |
| 14:42.58 | dv_ | in text mode, my locale is correct |
| 14:43.02 | dv_ | (de_AT.UTF-8) |
| 14:43.10 | dv_ | I can also type the chars correctly |
| 14:43.22 | dv_ | but in X, it is set to POSIX |
| 14:43.46 | dv_ | I cannot find any central database for X that tells it which locale to use |
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| 14:44.19 | triptec | is there anyway to se how much a single service uses in bandwidth???? |
| 14:44.45 | \amethyst | dv_: how are you starting X? |
| 14:45.21 | dv_ | by session manager |
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| 14:45.28 | \amethyst | dv_: which one? |
| 14:45.31 | dv_ | entrance |
| 14:45.50 | \amethyst | dv_: not familiar with that one... look into its documentation |
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| 14:46.37 | dv_ | you mean the session manager may be responsible? |
| 14:46.39 | dv_ | odd. |
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| 14:46.43 | dv_ | didnt think of that :) |
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| 14:47.58 | triptec | is there anyway to se how much a single service uses in bandwidth???? |
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| 14:48.15 | chops | triptec: jnettop |
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| 14:51.10 | muh2000 | how can i add an execution in an init script (mysql) to create a link "ln /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" when starting mysql ? |
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| 14:52.25 | stew | muh2000: you need to do that every time you start the service? why can't you just do it once and leave the symlink there? |
| 14:52.59 | muh2000 | stew: hmm i read it ^^ well i try with a symlink brb |
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| 14:53.25 | stew | oh you were hardlinking to a socket? |
| 14:53.36 | stew | i'm not sure i even comprehend what that would mean, if it is possible |
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| 14:55.14 | muh2000 | stew: possible yes. symlink doesnt work. maybe because it is the chroot of postfix |
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| 14:56.01 | stew | oh right, i guess a symink isn't going to work if you are inside a chroot |
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| 14:56.23 | \amethyst | muh2000: you could bind-mount /var/run/mysqld/ in your postfix directory |
| 14:56.34 | abrotman | muh2000: i had to do this .. /me tries to remember how ... |
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| 14:56.48 | muh2000 | bind mount ? |
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| 14:56.59 | abrotman | the postfix link thingie |
| 14:57.01 | \amethyst | mkdir /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld/; mount --bind /var/run/mysqld /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld/ |
| 14:57.04 | abrotman | but i think it was for amavis |
| 14:57.19 | \amethyst | mount --bind makes a subtree of the filesystem available somewhere else |
| 14:57.28 | \amethyst | it's kind of like hard linking for directories |
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| 14:57.56 | stew | this is where you get the added security of not having your system hacked via your mta... becuase you can't get your mta running |
| 14:58.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:58.20 | JosefAssad | hello |
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| 15:00.05 | g0th | hi |
| 15:00.12 | g0th | how do I install nvidia binary drivers in debian? |
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| 15:00.23 | g0th | latest debian unstable that is |
| 15:00.31 | nvz | speaking of mta, I think its about time nullmailer or something became standard for installation.. I don't think I setup install yet that really required the bloat of exim |
| 15:00.37 | g0th | I always get a conflict with the nvidia-glx package |
| 15:00.52 | muh2000 | ok the bindmount works, i guess i can add that to fstab ? |
| 15:01.45 | muh2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.01 | \amethyst | you left out the third column |
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| 15:02.16 | stew | muh2000: you need "none" in the "fstype" column |
| 15:02.20 | g0th | the thing is I need to do a beamer presentation this evening but when I connect the beamer on xorg (I'm using the "nv" driver atm) I just see color garbage |
| 15:02.21 | dv_ | ok I started X with startx and all locales are ok.- |
| 15:02.27 | dv_ | so it indeed is entrance. |
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| 15:02.36 | \amethyst | muh2000: /var/run/mysqld /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld/ none auto,bind 0 0 |
| 15:02.38 | g0th | so I need to install the nvidia binary drivers to get support for "beamer output" |
| 15:02.50 | nvz | wth is a beamer? |
| 15:02.58 | nvz | other than a BMW car |
| 15:02.59 | g0th | a projector? |
| 15:03.09 | abrotman | nvz: urbandictionary.com ? |
| 15:03.12 | muh2000 | thnx \amethyst |
| 15:03.25 | abrotman | g0th: you might have to boot with it connected |
| 15:03.27 | g0th | nvz: it has a lense and projects an image to the wall |
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| 15:03.34 | g0th | abrotman: I did |
| 15:04.04 | nvz | g0th: is it a standard VGA or DVI input? |
| 15:04.14 | muh2000 | on another topic is there a way that cryptsetup will create a encrypted swap drive at bootup ? |
| 15:04.22 | cahoot | g0th, doesn't it 'just work' via the vga connector? |
| 15:04.22 | g0th | a normal laptop it is |
| 15:04.28 | Havis_ | g0th u mean latex-beamer - LaTeX class to produce presentations ? |
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| 15:04.50 | g0th | cahoot: no I just see flashing color garbage |
| 15:05.02 | Dewi | g0th: if you are using VGA, and you output a resolution and refresh rate the projector can handle, it will "just work" |
| 15:05.06 | g0th | cahoot: I see some stuff in the text console though |
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| 15:05.21 | g0th | Dewi: hmm so I need to change the resolution? |
| 15:05.32 | g0th | I entered ctrl + "+" |
| 15:05.32 | g0th | in x |
| 15:05.32 | nvz | encrypted swap sounds nasty.. I try not to swap at all.. encrypting it just sounds like its gonna make it even slower than it already is |
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| 15:05.41 | g0th | but nothing changed |
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| 15:06.01 | g0th | Dewi: how do I setup what I "output"? |
| 15:06.06 | g0th | I don't know any tool for that |
| 15:06.15 | Dewi | !drxx g0th |
| 15:06.18 | dpkg | g0th: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:06.18 | nvz | an editor |
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| 15:06.35 | g0th | I already setup my xserver |
| 15:06.46 | nvz | obviously not |
| 15:06.46 | g0th | I'm looking for a tool to setup the output device etc |
| 15:06.50 | g0th | of course I did |
| 15:06.50 | cast | muh2000: man crypttab |
| 15:06.55 | nvz | obviously not |
| 15:07.00 | Dewi | g0th: from memory that lets you configure a list of available resolutions and your refresh rate |
| 15:07.08 | g0th | it's the same configuration I had since over 2 years |
| 15:07.08 | Dewi | g0th: but I'm X-illiterate |
| 15:07.12 | g0th | and it worked perfectly |
| 15:07.16 | g0th | what do I need to change? |
| 15:07.16 | cahoot | g0th, they mean you can enable a few more resolution |
| 15:07.20 | nvz | until you decided to change your hardware |
| 15:07.24 | Dewi | g0th: does your projector support the resolutions and refresh rates therein? |
| 15:07.30 | cast | fuck me. i think i might just buy a network printer |
| 15:07.35 | g0th | cahoot: it already has 640x480 |
| 15:07.43 | g0th | and the stuff worked perfectly with "nvidia" driver |
| 15:07.47 | cahoot | g0th, ok |
| 15:07.51 | nvz | cast: you can buy this HP Jetdirect print server I got if you want.. heh |
| 15:07.58 | stew | cast: its going to take more than a network printer. at least a six-pack |
| 15:08.07 | g0th | so my x server configuration is really most probably ok, but maybe I need some modifications for the "nv" driver |
| 15:08.19 | Dewi | g0th: no. VGA is VGA |
| 15:08.19 | g0th | anyway someone told me that the "nv" driver doesn't support beamers |
| 15:08.24 | Dewi | g0th: projectors work the same as monitors |
| 15:08.28 | Dewi | g0th: if you are using VGA |
| 15:08.33 | Dewi | g0th: as opposed to say, TV out |
| 15:08.42 | Dewi | g0th: for TV out you might need special nvidia support |
| 15:09.02 | Dewi | but VGA looks better in my experience |
| 15:09.05 | g0th | it worked as is perfectly with the "nvidia" driver |
| 15:09.05 | cast | cups runs fine, reports no errors. the printer on the other hand sounds like its about to do something...then doesn't -_- its playing with my emotions :( |
| 15:09.10 | cahoot | g0th, no use hitting fn + f4 or such? |
| 15:09.27 | g0th | no use :( |
| 15:09.36 | Dewi | g0th: you haven't switched the projector onto a different input mode or something? |
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| 15:09.44 | g0th | what does that do anyway? |
| 15:09.44 | g0th | no |
| 15:09.57 | g0th | but it says 640x480 or sthg like that |
| 15:10.02 | nvz | g0th: on a laptop that generally selects the video output |
| 15:10.06 | Dewi | g0th: what do you mean by "colour garbage" ? |
| 15:10.06 | g0th | and my desktop is at 1440x900 |
| 15:10.13 | g0th | it flashes |
| 15:10.17 | stoned | hi |
| 15:10.17 | Dewi | g0th: that's an odd resolution. does your projector support it? |
| 15:10.24 | nvz | g0th: there is a function key usually fn+f4 that selects the lcd, the external output, or both |
| 15:10.28 | g0th | and I see 3 big horizontal bars |
| 15:10.31 | g0th | in different colors |
| 15:10.55 | g0th | with some kind of pattern on it |
| 15:11.03 | Dewi | g0th: um |
| 15:11.07 | Havis_ | is there any functional nvidia driver for unstable? |
| 15:11.11 | Dewi | g0th: are you trying to use dualview? |
| 15:11.11 | g0th | nvz: how do I do this over the command line? |
| 15:11.21 | g0th | Dewi: don't think so |
| 15:11.22 | Dewi | g0th: because that almost sounds like what a secondary monitor looks like when you don't have drivers properly supporting them |
| 15:11.25 | g0th | no |
| 15:11.39 | cahoot | Havis_, http://www.khensu.org/ |
| 15:11.42 | g0th | I guess it is something like that |
| 15:11.50 | g0th | nv doesn't support the external monitor/beamer |
| 15:11.53 | nvz | g0th: you don't its usually hardwired to the video bios and doesn't even pass through the OS for those fn keys |
| 15:12.07 | Dewi | g0th: ... |
| 15:12.26 | Dewi | g0th: hmm. Use the hotkey |
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| 15:12.34 | g0th | I have hotkeys installed |
| 15:12.34 | Dewi | g0th: until you're out of whatever dualview mode you are (maybe) in |
| 15:12.39 | nvz | g0th: the nvidia control panel can probably do it 0nce you set that all up with the nvidia driver, but otherwise no software in debian an control your laptop's hardwired functions |
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| 15:12.57 | g0th | nvz: so I guess I really need the nvidia binary driver |
| 15:13.01 | nvz | g0th: the fn key doesnt produce keycodes the OS can read |
| 15:13.09 | g0th | nvz: is there no way to get it working in the latest debian unstable? |
| 15:13.14 | twobitsprite | I did a dist-upgrade last night and now all of my fonts are messed up... is this a known issue? |
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| 15:13.39 | g0th | nvz: hmm, anyway I just tried to hit fn+ f4 I dunno if it actually did anything |
| 15:13.41 | Yurik | Hi. Somebody speake russian? |
| 15:13.44 | nvz | it does something directly to the hardware.. mine do screen brightness and such.. they are hard wired special keyboard bios directly calls functions in a special system or video bios |
| 15:13.56 | Dewi | g0th: is fn+f4 actually your laptops key for switching between internal/external/dual ? |
| 15:14.09 | g0th | I think so yes |
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| 15:14.17 | nvz | g0th: it would say something like LCD/CRT/TV or such if your laptop has a key for that |
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| 15:14.31 | g0th | it doesn't say anything |
| 15:14.35 | Dewi | g0th: try it at grub time, before anything messes with your bios |
| 15:14.38 | Havis_ | cahoot: that page wont load... |
| 15:14.38 | g0th | ok |
| 15:14.43 | g0th | I reboot and will join again then |
| 15:14.49 | stew | g0th: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:14.53 | Dewi | g0th: just in case *something* is disabling the key |
| 15:14.59 | nvz | g0th: try get the projector running before you even start the OS, is a good idea |
| 15:15.04 | Dewi | stew: switch a laptop to external monitor |
| 15:15.08 | stew | g0th: if you are using unstable, you should be trying to use xrandr to control the second monitor |
| 15:15.11 | Yurik | У Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾Ð±Ð»ÐµÐ¼Ð°, не могу наÑтроить звук, можете помочь? |
| 15:15.11 | g0th | stew: plug a beamer into my laptop and use it by "nv" display driver |
| 15:15.14 | Dewi | stew: it sounds like it's in a dualview mode or something |
| 15:15.19 | stew | g0th: have you tried xrandr? |
| 15:15.22 | cahoot | Havis_, http://www.khensu.org/ loads fine here |
| 15:15.29 | g0th | nvz: I did that already yes |
| 15:15.42 | g0th | stew: how? |
| 15:15.53 | nvz | g0th: so do you get a clear picture until X loads? |
| 15:15.57 | Dewi | stew: it sounds like the projector is synching, but onto some broken screenmode instead of the output, which sounds like bad dualview |
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| 15:16.11 | g0th | nvz: yes, but it's just text |
| 15:16.12 | cahoot | Havis_, else read the debian wiki on the subject |
| 15:16.27 | nvz | g0th: then like we said before the video mode that is being output isn't supported by the projector |
| 15:16.31 | deego | Is anyone else also experiencing weird etch security updates today? kdebase fails to install... |
| 15:16.36 | Dewi | g0th: right but usually dual monitors display clones of each other until linux loads |
| 15:16.40 | nvz | g0th: you need to figure out what rates it supports. |
| 15:16.40 | Dewi | g0th: then it can go into dualview |
| 15:16.43 | stew | g0th: "xrandr --output outputname --auto" for starters. if you need to change the resolution you can do that from xrandr as well |
| 15:16.47 | Dewi | g0th: which is bad if your driver doesn't support that |
| 15:16.51 | g0th | nvz: for the "nv" driver not supported but supported for "nvidia" driver? |
| 15:17.02 | pickcoder | deego: I don't see any updates for today |
| 15:17.07 | Havis_ | cahoot: can u send me IP of that server... loos like my ISP's dns server doesnt work very "well" :) |
| 15:17.15 | cahoot | would the color depth have any impact on the beamer issue? |
| 15:17.19 | nvz | g0th: how do you even have an "nvidia" driver if you never installed the nvidia binaries? |
| 15:17.24 | g0th | I had a nvidia driver |
| 15:17.28 | g0th | before |
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| 15:17.44 | g0th | then since debian didn't support it (it seems) and since I had some problems with later updates I switched to "nv" |
| 15:17.46 | nvz | well if you have one and it works, then why the hell are you using "nv" at all |
| 15:17.54 | g0th | see above |
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| 15:18.08 | deego | pickcoder: that is strange, what's the latest version of kdebase-data you see? I see *** 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 0 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 15:18.25 | nvz | g0th: you probably didn't install the nvidia package "The Debian Way (tm)" and when your kernel or xserver updated your system broke |
| 15:18.29 | bartden | hi, i'm using a gtk theme i installed (its black) , but now all my text boxes (where i fill in this for example the search entry in google) are also a dark color, it there a way to change specific elements from the theme i selected ? |
| 15:18.36 | abrotman | deego: on i386? |
| 15:18.39 | nvz | g0th: you've got to reinstall the nvidia driver every time you update unless you do it the nvidia way |
| 15:18.45 | deego | abrotman: yes |
| 15:18.45 | nvz | er.. the debian way |
| 15:18.57 | stew | are we sure he needs the non-free driver? |
| 15:19.00 | g0th | nvz: no I think it is a problem with the current debian setup |
| 15:19.00 | Dewi | stew: I doubt he does |
| 15:19.05 | g0th | nvz: I can't install nvidia-glx |
| 15:19.11 | g0th | due to package collisions |
| 15:19.14 | deego | (abrotman: i686) |
| 15:19.22 | abrotman | deego: i think it didn't get built .. buildd is lagging |
| 15:19.26 | Dewi | stew: this sounds exactly like the projector is on the secondary output, because it flashes in a strange character mode on all my nvidias when X comes up |
| 15:19.26 | cahoot | Havis_, seems I loaded a cached page |
| 15:19.28 | abrotman | deego: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200709211559 |
| 15:19.31 | stew | g0th: you currently have nv running? can you pastebin the output of "xrandr"? |
| 15:19.37 | g0th | nvz: maybe I can that's also a question from me how to setup nvidia in debian |
| 15:19.40 | liable | theres a new nvidia driver out |
| 15:19.43 | g0th | yes |
| 15:19.45 | g0th | sec |
| 15:19.45 | nvz | g0th: yeah it does that to me too, thats why I've always done it the nvidia way.. but I know that means I can't change my kernel or X version unless I rebuild it |
| 15:19.47 | liable | wont be in repos yet i guess |
| 15:19.50 | Havis_ | cahoot: so that site is really down? |
| 15:19.59 | g0th | http://rafb.net/p/mGAMVX24.html |
| 15:20.03 | deego | abrotman: ah, thanks a lot |
| 15:20.10 | abrotman | deego: i guess you'll have to wait a bit ... |
| 15:20.12 | Dewi | stew: if the vga out was just getting the primary display output rather than an unsupported secondary I am almost sure the problem would be solveed |
| 15:20.16 | deego | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:20.18 | Dewi | stew: but anyway I'm going to bed |
| 15:20.20 | g0th | nvz: I do have the nvidia kernel module |
| 15:20.27 | stew | nope, its not recognizing the other output |
| 15:20.30 | g0th | nvz: but to get support I need nvidia-glx |
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| 15:20.43 | abrotman | and that DSA for kdebase is totally biffed .. the URLs are all broken |
| 15:20.52 | abrotman | same for fetchmail |
| 15:20.54 | deego | ouch |
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| 15:21.00 | cahoot | Havis_, 64.251.30.168 |
| 15:21.03 | g0th | stew: hmm, why not? |
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| 15:21.15 | kamevar | hi all |
| 15:21.32 | Havis_ | cahoot: the site is probably down no response, no ping... nothing |
| 15:21.40 | stew | g0th: no idea, but if it were, i t would be listed by xrandr (assuming xrandr and x are up to date) |
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| 15:21.54 | g0th | so could it be that "nv" simply doesn't support it? |
| 15:22.14 | g0th | they are up-to-date with debian unstable |
| 15:22.31 | g0th | maybe I should try debian experimental? |
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| 15:23.02 | Havis_ | g0th: or try ATI card when open-source drivers will be released ;) |
| 15:23.08 | cahoot | g0th, even my plain radeon/ati works as expected with a beamer - I doubt nv is any worse |
| 15:23.16 | bartden | when piggs fly |
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| 15:23.25 | g0th | cahoot: so what should I do to get it working? |
| 15:23.31 | g0th | s/do/try/ |
| 15:23.36 | g0th | I can try to reboot |
| 15:23.41 | xerophyte_t | how can i get the pdf version of Debian New Maintainers' Guide ?? |
| 15:23.42 | g0th | and then press fn+ f4 |
| 15:23.53 | g0th | but I think it won't help |
| 15:23.57 | Havis_ | g0th: reboot with beamer connected |
| 15:24.03 | g0th | I already did that |
| 15:24.27 | Havis_ | g0th: what notebook is it? |
| 15:24.28 | cahoot | not even the plain grub screen got displayed? |
| 15:24.34 | g0th | hp pavilion zd7000 |
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| 15:24.40 | g0th | cahoot: sure |
| 15:24.44 | Havis_ | g0th: or the bios screen? |
| 15:24.53 | g0th | cahoot: everything was displayed until the xserver was started |
| 15:24.59 | g0th | then I just get color garbage |
| 15:25.02 | g0th | flimmering |
| 15:25.13 | g0th | it does react on visual changes |
| 15:25.20 | g0th | but no clear image ;) |
| 15:25.27 | g0th | so it does get "something" |
| 15:25.30 | g0th | I guess |
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| 15:25.40 | Tino | Hi ! |
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| 15:25.58 | Tino | I'm looking for some LVM irc channel ? |
| 15:26.10 | Havis_ | maybe try vesa driver? but I'm not sure about that... |
| 15:26.19 | g0th | hmm how? |
| 15:26.25 | cahoot | g0th, (random grasp at straw) tried to lower the colordepth? |
| 15:26.51 | g0th | yes |
| 15:27.01 | g0th | I also tried to deactivate all "nv" options |
| 15:27.08 | g0th | and CrtcNumber |
| 15:27.27 | g0th | I'm trying vesa now |
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| 15:27.52 | g0th | brb |
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| 15:28.07 | Havis_ | g0th: ok but I think your should install something like xserver-vesa |
| 15:28.12 | cahoot | g0th, I hav a hp dv9000 with a nvidia card - but.. only used it with a beamer and nvidia's driver so no difference from your experience |
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| 15:28.52 | uwe__ | hello, im trying to debug pure-ftpd with mysql backend, i cant find a way to make it more verbose than it is and im getting authentication failure! any idea what i can do to get more debug info ? |
| 15:29.06 | drwahl | is there any way to get 3D acceleration with my nVidia card in Lenny? |
| 15:29.35 | stew | there is like zero chance that vesa is going to support a second head of nv didn't |
| 15:30.02 | Havis_ | stew: y, but what else should he try? |
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| 15:30.20 | stew | Havis_: the non-free driver, i guess, or buy a card with better support |
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| 15:30.22 | Havis_ | stwe: get binary blob drivers from some other distro? |
| 15:30.32 | stew | Havis_: no, from the debian nvidia maintainer |
| 15:30.49 | stew | uwe__: you can turn on mysql query logging, and watch to see if it is connecting at all, and if it is, what queries it is running |
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| 15:31.07 | nomatter001 | hi |
| 15:31.14 | nomatter001 | i want to install nvidia-glx but it says that it's not possible |
| 15:31.16 | efaistos_ | i have to vhost on a debian web server when i do a a2dissite site1 and i reload this page i go to site2 but it should be disable and shouldnt go to the second site |
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| 15:31.19 | efaistos_ | any idea ? |
| 15:31.33 | nomatter001 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:31.33 | nomatter001 | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 which is a virtual package. |
| 15:31.37 | nomatter001 | anybody an idea? |
| 15:31.43 | efaistos_ | i have two vhosts i meant |
| 15:31.54 | uwe__ | i did that stew , it does query for password, gid, uid and chroot |
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| 15:33.11 | stew | uwe__: can you run the same query by hand and get results? |
| 15:33.23 | uwe__ | yep |
| 15:33.23 | wols | nomatter001: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 15:33.29 | uwe__ | stew, yep |
| 15:33.45 | nomatter001 | i hoave nvidia-kernel installed |
| 15:33.50 | nomatter001 | and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 15:33.56 | nomatter001 | how can i get the nvidia module? |
| 15:34.00 | drwahl | is there any way to get 3D acceleration with my nVidia card in Lenny? according to the people at #nvidia, the lenny kernel wont support it |
| 15:34.07 | uwe__ | i want for example see what pure-ftp is comparing the password to |
| 15:34.22 | stew | uwe__: its comparing it to whatever is sent from the user |
| 15:34.24 | uwe__ | i tried crypt, md5, password and any |
| 15:34.30 | stew | oh |
| 15:34.49 | stew | nomatter001: that error isnt' taling about nvidia-kernel, it is talking about nvidia-kernel-100.14.11 |
| 15:34.54 | uwe__ | the passwords are saved encrypted in the db |
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| 15:34.58 | sine | hiiii |
| 15:35.13 | uwe__ | ok, ill try this, ill try to manually set the password to plain text in the db |
| 15:35.20 | nomatter001 | yes cause it's not here |
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| 15:36.18 | sine | typing with one hand is quite an art whilst eating |
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| 15:37.00 | cahoot | drwahl, http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/ |
| 15:37.57 | drwahl | cahoot: i will check that, thank you |
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| 15:38.29 | Havis_ | nomatter001: that package is not in testing because http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 15:38.37 | uwe__ | stew, same thing :( , ive even set the password to cleartext and set it manually, im still getting authenticatin failure |
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| 15:39.08 | uwe__ | /var/log/messages only says : [WARNING] Authentication failed for user [test@test.com] |
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| 15:39.47 | matthouston | If I compile a newer alsa than comes with Etch and load it, will it conflict with the alsa built into the debian kernel? |
| 15:41.01 | cahoot | matthouston, use module assistant? |
| 15:41.17 | Eulex | matthouston, you'll probably have to replace the alsa kernel modules too. not just the alsa userspace libraries. |
| 15:41.23 | stew | uwe__: read the pure-ftpd-wrapper script or whatever it is called and see if you can find a debug or a logging option in there |
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| 15:43.57 | Anthro | Can anyone point me to an app that will let me dump an entire IMAP folder hierarchy either into Maildirs or another IMAP server? |
| 15:44.04 | Anthro | Commandline preferred. |
| 15:44.04 | matthouston | Eulex: Sorry, that's what I meant. I'm going to compile alsa kernel module 1.0.15rc2 and load that onto an Etch backported 2.6.21 kernel. I'm just worried, because the kernel already has a built-in alsa. |
| 15:44.07 | valdyn | matthouston: in such a case you should move the modules shipping with the kernel out of the way |
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| 15:44.52 | Anthro | Hrm, looking into imapcopy now |
| 15:45.06 | matthouston | valdyn: But how can you move them out of the way if they're built-in? |
| 15:45.22 | valdyn | matthouston: they're not build into debian kernels |
| 15:45.28 | stew | matthouston: it doesn't conflict, it just overwrites |
| 15:45.48 | matthouston | stew: Okay, thank you. |
| 15:45.58 | stew | matthouston: wait, are you using a stock debian .config? |
| 15:46.03 | uwe__ | stew, i added VerboseLog , and it added the -d too ... same thing :( |
| 15:46.12 | sine | does anyone know if its possible to download directories with lftp |
| 15:46.12 | Havis_ | matthouston: maybe your should have a look at /lib/modules/yourKernelVersion.... |
| 15:46.44 | matthouston | stew: I would assume so, since it's a backported for Etch. I got it from backports.org. |
| 15:47.05 | stew | matthouston: then yeah. m-a a-i alsa will just replace the drivers with newer ones |
| 15:47.30 | matthouston | stew: great, thanks! |
| 15:47.34 | Otaimer | where i can download debian linux? |
| 15:47.44 | Havis_ | stwe: m-a has nice menu so u can choos what co compile ;-) ut's really user friendly |
| 15:47.46 | valdyn | Otaimer: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 15:47.49 | stew | Otaimer: debian.org click on "getting debian" |
| 15:47.53 | Havis_ | stew: to* |
| 15:48.21 | Otaimer | can i install debian using wndows? |
| 15:48.59 | valdyn | Otaimer: what's the point? |
| 15:49.11 | Havis_ | Otaimer: u can install debian in some virtual machine, if you want to try it, but u can't install it "in" Windows. it's not an application, it's an OS |
| 15:49.25 | matthouston | Otaimer: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 15:49.30 | stew | Otaimer: yes, with http://goodbye-microsoft.com/, but it is not an installation method we support |
| 15:49.41 | valdyn | ...and its kind of silly |
| 15:50.00 | Otaimer | ok nice |
| 15:50.03 | stew | or what does co-linux do exactly? |
| 15:50.12 | Havis_ | nice site, havent heard about it ^^ |
| 15:50.16 | valdyn | that's a special linux kernel that runs on windows |
| 15:50.40 | valdyn | like what uml is for linux |
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| 15:50.53 | stew | that's what i thought, so there is another option |
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| 15:51.11 | pickcoder | hm |
| 15:52.14 | corey | <stew> Otaimer: debian.org click on "getting debian" |
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| 15:53.00 | Havis_ | corey: I think stew is familliar with "getting debian" ;-) |
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| 15:53.35 | Frostshock | how would someone go about creating their own slimed version of the debian installer? with custom packages that is |
| 15:53.36 | corey | Havis_ "getting Debian" I am not familiar |
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| 15:54.18 | Monsterkiller2k | hallo |
| 15:54.31 | corey | stew you around? almost got things together...need to get some headers for 2.22.2 and I will be online more. |
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| 15:55.09 | Monsterkiller2k | kann mir einer helfen ? habe ien problem mit der dpkg datenbank |
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| 15:55.16 | stew | corey: 2.22.2? i don't know what you are talking about |
| 15:55.30 | stew | !de |
| 15:55.30 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 15:55.36 | corey | stew oh whatever the kernel is in sid... |
| 15:55.37 | Frostshock | anyone? |
| 15:56.05 | Monsterkiller2k | ok me go to debian.de |
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| 15:56.09 | Monsterkiller2k | bye |
| 15:56.10 | corey | stew my lappy is looking good I just forgot to grab the headers and can't make ndis and nvidia ;-) |
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| 15:56.46 | stew | Frostshock: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify |
| 15:56.51 | jetscreamer | hey i know dns requests come over port 53,(i think) but what port would a primary and secondary dns server use to communicate between theirselves (by default usually) |
| 15:57.15 | stew | jetscreamer: requests are udp/53 inter server communication is tcp/53 |
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| 15:57.45 | Frostshock | stew: sweet.. thanks :D |
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| 15:57.56 | jetscreamer | thankee kind stewsir |
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| 15:58.05 | stew | you're welcome |
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| 15:58.12 | corey | stew man it has been a long time since I have been to the boroughs need to come visit some time, |
| 15:58.15 | PerfDave | !why is drupal not in etch |
| 15:58.15 | dpkg | PerfDave: what are you talking about? |
| 15:58.35 | jetscreamer | drupal is not in testing because it didn't pass the test |
| 15:58.45 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 15:58.55 | jetscreamer | damn i've been wanting to say that |
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| 15:59.09 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: You got it wrong! |
| 15:59.14 | jetscreamer | yes :/ |
| 15:59.21 | stew | PerfDave: s/etch/testing/ when you |
| 15:59.26 | stew | err |
| 15:59.31 | PerfDave | stew: But Etch isn't testing any more :) |
| 15:59.45 | stew | oh |
| 16:00.02 | stew | right. you were trying to trick me |
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| 16:00.47 | valdyn | jetscreamer: communicate? you mean update their databases? |
| 16:00.47 | hark | !dbugs 390463 |
| 16:00.50 | dpkg | DONE:#390463:G[drupal] drupal: Shouldn't be part of Etch in the current state; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:18:05 UTC |
| 16:00.56 | stew | PerfDave: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/drupal/news/20061017T223912Z.html |
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| 16:01.15 | vader- | how hard is it to image a machine and move it to different hardware? |
| 16:01.42 | valdyn | jetscreamer: there's tcp/953 |
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| 16:02.30 | valdyn | vader-: easy |
| 16:03.05 | corey | abrotman philly's in the house! |
| 16:03.45 | PerfDave | valdyn: partimage may be your friend |
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| 16:03.55 | jetscreamer | valdyn: yes replicate the zone file to the secondary dns server |
| 16:03.58 | valdyn | vader-: ^^^ |
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| 16:05.00 | valdyn | jetscreamer: tcp/953 is what nsupdate uses |
| 16:05.27 | valdyn | jetscreamer: i dont know a think really about inter dns communications.. |
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| 16:05.34 | valdyn | s/think/thing/ |
| 16:05.49 | jetscreamer | i'm just trying to figure out what ports to open up in my router |
| 16:06.04 | akuehntopf | DMZ ^^ |
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| 16:06.10 | valdyn | jetscreamer: i would think that they do this the same way as nsupdate works |
| 16:06.13 | jetscreamer | heh.. a few too many |
| 16:06.27 | jetscreamer | so far i've done 53 and 953 since you said 953 |
| 16:06.59 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it's working fine though anyway |
| 16:07.03 | bbbrp | I'm trying to route traffic through my laptops ethernet card (eth0) to my evdo card (ppp0), but for some reason whenever I enable forwarding my ppp connection gets disconnected (and has to reconnect) every 30 seconds or so. I'm running a dhcp-server on eth0. |
| 16:07.46 | bbbrp | I'm not ever sure what to look into to find the problem |
| 16:07.51 | PerfDave | bbbrp: How are you enabling forwarding? Could it be that your ppp0 is getting flooded? |
| 16:07.55 | valdyn | bbbrp: thinking in terms of interfaces for routing is often the wrong thinking |
| 16:08.06 | valdyn | bbbrp: routing goes by netmasks |
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| 16:08.21 | sine | someone told me to rm -rf and now its deleting a bunch of system files |
| 16:08.39 | valdyn | sine: maybe that someone was evil, what is this about? |
| 16:08.48 | jetscreamer | sine |
| 16:08.52 | jetscreamer | i hope you are kidding |
| 16:08.56 | bbbrp | PerfDave: nothing obvious in syslog. After the ppp connection is made I don't see anything until it says it's disconnecting |
| 16:08.56 | sine | lewl |
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| 16:09.01 | sine | :X |
| 16:09.11 | jetscreamer | is that a yes you are kidding or no you are not |
| 16:09.14 | sine | i dont think anyone is that cruel |
| 16:09.16 | jetscreamer | if not, reinstall |
| 16:09.17 | sine | no im joking |
| 16:09.19 | jetscreamer | yes they are |
| 16:09.25 | valdyn | bbbrp: routing can hardly directly cause that disconnect |
| 16:09.26 | jetscreamer | it sucks but they are |
| 16:09.33 | sine | well everyone in the linux community seems really nice to me |
| 16:09.43 | sine | im glad ive become part of it |
| 16:09.49 | jetscreamer | sine: it's like life anywhere, there are assholes and nice ppl |
| 16:09.50 | PerfDave | bbbrp: Try dumping traffic through the interface before you enable forwarding. |
| 16:09.55 | bbbrp | valdyn: could I have dhcpd configured wrong and that's to blame? |
| 16:10.01 | valdyn | bbbrp: no |
| 16:10.07 | sine | although its quite a slog getting your system to work 100% |
| 16:10.27 | sine | is there a forum where i could go and get help like paste my problem with my laptop |
| 16:10.33 | PerfDave | !paste |
| 16:10.33 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:10.35 | valdyn | !paste |
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| 16:11.04 | Havis_ | sine: The most common side effects with Debian were headache and upset stomach. Eye Strain and wrist ache were also reported, sometimes with delayed onset. Most men weren't bothered by the side effects enough to stop using Debian. As with any distro, in the rare event of a configuration session lasting more than 4 hours, seek immediate geek help to avoid long-term downtime. |
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| 16:11.25 | sine | hahah |
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| 16:11.30 | jetscreamer | !Havis_++ |
| 16:11.32 | Havis_ | sine: :-D |
| 16:11.37 | drwahl | i know in Fedora that you can change the default init level by editting /etc/inittab, but changing that in debian didnt seem to work. i want my system to boot up to init 3 by default |
| 16:11.37 | sine | yes im a super nerd and this suites me down to the ground |
| 16:11.48 | PerfDave | drwahl: Why are you messing around with runlevels? |
| 16:11.55 | sine | my housemates have said to me that i havent stopped tapping into my laptop for 2 days now |
| 16:11.56 | bbbrp | PerfDave: watching the traffic on eth0 everything seems fine (and until forwarding is enabled - /bin/echo "1" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward on top of a couple of iptable commnads) all looks well aside from nothing making it to the outside world |
| 16:12.09 | valdyn | drwahl: it works in debian, its just pointless |
| 16:12.15 | stew | drwahl: what does "/sbin/runlevel" return? |
| 16:12.16 | PerfDave | bbbrp: Watch the traffic on ppp0 when you enable forwarding. |
| 16:12.19 | sine | when i eventually work out how set up this laptop perfectly i will reinstall |
| 16:12.22 | Havis_ | sine: :D I guess he uses Windows |
| 16:12.32 | drwahl | stew: i do not have access to the machine right now |
| 16:12.42 | stew | drwahl: how did you determine what runlevel it booted? |
| 16:12.44 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 16:12.44 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 16:12.53 | valdyn | drwahl: ^^^ |
| 16:12.54 | drwahl | PerfDave: I want the machien to boot up to CLI not a gui |
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| 16:12.59 | bbbrp | valdyn: do you have a link handy showing a couple of simple iptables rules that look at routing correctly? |
| 16:13.09 | drwahl | stew: it came up with a gui instead of cli |
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| 16:13.20 | sine | yea they just a got a new laptop as well with vista on it ive been using windows since dos and xp was ok when i saw vista and how much resources it was using plus they got infected with about 15 viruses within a week |
| 16:13.20 | stew | drwahl: becuase you didn't remove the dm from runlevel 3 |
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| 16:13.26 | valdyn | bbbrp: that's not standard routing |
| 16:13.33 | stew | drwahl: by defualt the dm would get started in all of 2,3,4,5 |
| 16:13.36 | drwahl | stew: ah, ok. i didnt think abou tthat... |
| 16:13.37 | jetscreamer | the ?dm |
| 16:13.37 | PerfDave | drwahl: What GUI are you talking about? |
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| 16:13.41 | drwahl | PerfDave: kdm |
| 16:13.44 | valdyn | bbbrp: the 'route' command does that |
| 16:13.52 | PerfDave | drwahl: dpkg-reconfigure kdm? |
| 16:13.53 | sine | ive allways wanted to migrate to linux perm but allways had to share a computer |
| 16:14.04 | valdyn | bbbrp: iptables is for various 'advanced' things |
| 16:14.10 | bbbrp | valdyn: so all iptables is doing is saying what traffic to allow? |
| 16:14.10 | PerfDave | sine: With whom do you share a computer? |
| 16:14.17 | bbbrp | valdyn: ok |
| 16:14.23 | stew | drwahl: if you never want the gui /msg dpkg nodm ; if you want different runlevels to do different things, man update-rc.d |
| 16:14.36 | valdyn | bbbrp: route, iptables can do all kinds of packet inspection/filtering etc |
| 16:14.41 | valdyn | bbbrp: right, iptables can do all kinds of packet inspection/filtering etc |
| 16:14.42 | sine | well i used to share it with my ex girlfreind and the house that we lived in there |
| 16:14.44 | drwahl | stew: that is what i was looking for! thanks |
| 16:14.48 | valdyn | bbbrp: but its not for just routing |
| 16:14.56 | jetscreamer | nodm is a lame factoid |
| 16:15.01 | bacs | Greetings all. I'm trying to remove a broken deb from my system. |
| 16:15.03 | PerfDave | sine: My girlfriends, stepdaughter, friends etc. all use my GNU/Linux systems. |
| 16:15.04 | sine | now i have the laptop and its all mine it can be out of action for however long i want it to be |
| 16:15.23 | bbbrp | valdyn: so is all I really need is a correct route and ipv4/ip_forward turned on? |
| 16:15.25 | sine | yes well maybee i will be on a mission to convert them once i have mastered to a certain degree myself |
| 16:15.37 | bacs | dpkg --purge --force-all myverybrokenpackaname doesn't do it. Suggestions? |
| 16:15.41 | valdyn | bbbrp: i dont know what you need |
| 16:15.51 | sine | at the moment its getting to know all the commands and were the system folders are |
| 16:15.58 | sine | i dont even know where /drivers/ is |
| 16:16.02 | valdyn | bbbrp: iptables is needed as soon as you need to do connecction sharing for multiple computers, for instance |
| 16:16.09 | sine | im trying to setup my sonypi 3rd day in a row now |
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| 16:16.23 | jetscreamer | did you ever install modconf like i said, sine? |
| 16:17.17 | sine | yes |
| 16:17.17 | sine | its like a command style window gui thing |
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| 16:17.17 | jetscreamer | just browse around in it and find your modules, then load them |
| 16:17.17 | valdyn | bacs: you give us the error message, then we can maybe help you |
| 16:17.17 | sine | yes sonypi wasnt in there |
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| 16:17.19 | sine | it did have my pentium speedstep thoough |
| 16:17.47 | bbbrp | valdyn: so you think something with my route is causing the constant disconnects? Or if nothign else that that is a good place to start looking for the problem? |
| 16:17.52 | jetscreamer | sine: either you couldn't find it, or your kernel doesn't support it.. you grepped for sony, if it was returned, then it's in there. see also lsmod|grep -i sony |
| 16:18.07 | valdyn | bbbrp: i already said that your route cant directly cause the disconnect |
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| 16:18.11 | sine | jetscreamer, http://pastebin.com/m3355afd0 |
| 16:18.56 | bacs | valdyn: Stopping exim: invoke-rc.d: initscript exim-bregans, action "stop" failed. |
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| 16:19.13 | bacs | it's a custom deb that's broken |
| 16:19.19 | jetscreamer | sine: so what kernel is that... |
| 16:19.24 | bacs | I just want dpkg to forget it's there |
| 16:19.24 | valdyn | bacs: fix the init script |
| 16:19.33 | stew | or short circuit it |
| 16:19.36 | valdyn | bacs: maybe it not return an error |
| 16:19.36 | sine | new etch netinstall cd ? |
| 16:19.38 | jetscreamer | bacs: how about dpkg --purge , adding --force-something to taste? |
| 16:19.41 | valdyn | bacs: make it not return an error |
| 16:19.45 | sine | how do i get kernel up |
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| 16:19.47 | sine | rname |
| 16:19.48 | binary010 | Hii |
| 16:19.49 | sine | or somthing |
| 16:19.54 | jetscreamer | sine: uname -r |
| 16:20.02 | jetscreamer | sine: see also uname -a |
| 16:20.05 | bacs | is there no way of telling dpkg to just forget about it? |
| 16:20.10 | bacs | I don't want to fix the package |
| 16:20.16 | jetscreamer | purge the package |
| 16:20.29 | jetscreamer | make dpkg puke it up |
| 16:20.34 | Havis_ | sine: kernel version? uname -a |
| 16:20.35 | binary010 | i'm having some compilaton problem with qmailadmin...i'm getting " sed: file /tmp/csC30597/subs-2.sed line 32: unterminated `s' command " |
| 16:20.36 | sine | sine@debian:~$ uname -a |
| 16:20.36 | sine | Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 02:19:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:20.37 | bacs | jetscreamer: --purge --force-all doesn't do it |
| 16:20.40 | binary010 | anyone know what that is |
| 16:21.00 | akuehntopf | how can i install 2.6.23 kernel on debian testing? |
| 16:21.04 | binary010 | that file doesn't seems to exist and the ./configure doesn't create the Makefile |
| 16:21.14 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: compile the source is one way |
| 16:21.22 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: backports are another |
| 16:21.28 | stew | bacs: put "exit 0" at the top of the init script so it doesn't fail |
| 16:21.34 | jetscreamer | but .23 isn't in sid yet iirc |
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| 16:21.38 | Havis_ | akuehntopf you have to compile it yourself ;) or use pinning, but I dont know if it is in unstable |
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| 16:21.38 | jetscreamer | so kernel.org |
| 16:21.56 | PerfDave | binary010: That'll teach you to use qmail ;) |
| 16:22.20 | akuehntopf | hm |
| 16:22.33 | binary010 | yeh but i'm doing this for someone else not for myself.. |
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| 16:22.35 | sine | i was trying to find out where /drivers was so i could look up sonpi.c and see what lines of code i was failing on |
| 16:22.36 | jetscreamer | !tell akuehntopf -about kp |
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| 16:22.46 | sine | not that im an expert c coder or anything |
| 16:22.47 | akuehntopf | i read something about kernel-archive.buildserver.net |
| 16:22.58 | akuehntopf | but the thing is, i need to install the kernel headers, and that doesnt work |
| 16:23.02 | binary010 | PerfDave: do you have any idea why that is ? |
| 16:23.02 | jetscreamer | sine: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/something |
| 16:23.27 | bacs | stew: thanks - I was trying to avoid touching the deb or it's scripts |
| 16:23.30 | PerfDave | binary010: No, sorry, I don't use qmail. |
| 16:23.34 | stew | bacs: you can't |
| 16:23.38 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:24.15 | corey | what needs to be done to get psad to work these days? |
| 16:24.29 | akuehntopf | jetscreamer, linux-headers-* is broken, because it tries to install linux-kbuild-2.6.23 |
| 16:24.29 | bacs | stew: so there's no dpkg --forget-you-ever-knew-about-this-package |
| 16:24.30 | binary010 | PerfDave: Yeh but that error seems more generic than specific to qmail |
| 16:24.48 | stew | bacs: yeah, dpkg --purge packagename |
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| 16:25.16 | bacs | stew: no, --purge tries to remove it. I just want dpkg to ignore it completely |
| 16:25.18 | jetscreamer | ahh akuehntopf you are on sid. you'll have to wait till they upload the packages probaby |
| 16:25.43 | akuehntopf | well i wrote "testing" into apt sources.list |
| 16:25.45 | bacs | stew: I've manually removed the deb |
| 16:25.47 | akuehntopf | it tells me |
| 16:25.49 | akuehntopf | lenny / sid |
| 16:25.51 | klikklak | sweet, I just fixed my browser (I think tt-rss plugin or greasemonkey/less likely) caused it to hang and have bad memory leaks and compiz (dbus plugin crashed it) |
| 16:26.09 | stew | bacs: there is no way, without playing with dpkg's databases behind its back, which is a bad idea |
| 16:26.17 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: that is normal, doesn't mean you are on sid... but .23 is for sure not in lenny, .22 isn't yet afaik |
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| 16:26.28 | akuehntopf | yes |
| 16:26.29 | stew | bacs: and it would be a lot harder than just purging the package |
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| 16:26.35 | akuehntopf | but i need 2.6.23 because it supports my hw |
| 16:26.49 | akuehntopf | how to get that onto my lenny system without upgrading to sid or something |
| 16:26.55 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: then go to kernel.org and d/l the source and go to town |
| 16:26.56 | wols | akuehntopf: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 16:27.01 | bacs | stew: right, but in order to purge the package I first have to find and fix/hack the init scripts |
| 16:27.03 | akuehntopf | i also don't necessarily want to install |
| 16:27.04 | akuehntopf | by hand |
| 16:27.05 | stew | bacs: yes |
| 16:27.19 | wols | akuehntopf: build your own kernel then. use kernel-package |
| 16:27.21 | stew | bacs: but that is a lot easier than trying to subvert the package manager |
| 16:27.25 | wols | costs some time but is very painless |
| 16:27.36 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: i believe your choices are wait for the maintainers, or compile your own... it's very easy to do your own |
| 16:27.38 | jelly | akuehntopf: building form vanilla sources with kernel-package isn't that hard. |
| 16:27.40 | bacs | stew: I like subverting things. |
| 16:27.44 | akuehntopf | hm |
| 16:27.52 | helo | unless its painful |
| 16:27.53 | akuehntopf | i just need to fakeroot and run make-kpkg, right? |
| 16:27.56 | stew | bacs: i'll leave you to your fun then |
| 16:28.04 | jetscreamer | almost that's all |
| 16:28.05 | bacs | stew: thanks for your help |
| 16:28.10 | jetscreamer | !kp mantra |
| 16:28.11 | dpkg | kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 16:28.13 | helo | you will cry. |
| 16:28.16 | akuehntopf | but how can i get debian config onto that |
| 16:28.28 | jelly | akuehntopf: why would you want debian's bloated config? :-) |
| 16:28.35 | akuehntopf | :) |
| 16:28.37 | akuehntopf | well =) |
| 16:28.37 | helo | make-kpkg is great |
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| 16:28.43 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: the config of your running kernel is automagically used if you don't cp a different one |
| 16:29.06 | akuehntopf | nice stuff =) |
| 16:29.07 | jelly | akuehntopf: or use Debian's /boot/config-* as a template |
| 16:29.08 | jetscreamer | don't forget to make menuconfig first |
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| 16:29.23 | akuehntopf | wols: i figured, that the xserver starts working again with 2.6.23 kernel series |
| 16:29.31 | akuehntopf | no idea why |
| 16:29.35 | jetscreamer | jelly: /boot/config-$(uname -r) gets used by default |
| 16:29.45 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: is this just for nvidia or ati? :) |
| 16:29.52 | akuehntopf | don't know |
| 16:29.55 | akuehntopf | just got this nvidia card |
| 16:29.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:30.04 | PerfDave | http://www.wowurl.net/warning.gif :) |
| 16:30.06 | akuehntopf | but both "nv" and "nvidia" stop working on 2.6.20 - 2.6.22 |
| 16:30.09 | jetscreamer | .22 works with nvidia, |
| 16:30.14 | jetscreamer | no .20 and .21 |
| 16:30.19 | jetscreamer | .22 works fine |
| 16:30.20 | akuehntopf | mhh |
| 16:30.22 | akuehntopf | really? |
| 16:30.34 | cahoot | even debian kernels? |
| 16:30.35 | akuehntopf | i compiled .22 from source by hand |
| 16:30.37 | jetscreamer | but the new xorg7.3 needs the new nvidia modules.. but you have 7.2 |
| 16:30.38 | akuehntopf | and it didn't |
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| 16:30.46 | jetscreamer | you fuxored it then, it works fine |
| 16:30.51 | akuehntopf | :) |
| 16:30.51 | akuehntopf | i get |
| 16:30.56 | akuehntopf | xf86SigHandler 0x81 |
| 16:30.58 | akuehntopf | backtace |
| 16:31.00 | akuehntopf | +r |
| 16:31.07 | akuehntopf | and with nv the screen is garbled |
| 16:31.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:31.21 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep VGA |
| 16:31.35 | jetscreamer | check the gpu against what the driver supports |
| 16:31.46 | akuehntopf | well, they both should support it |
| 16:31.53 | basix | hi folks, anybody know about puppet and cobbler? are there similar tools for debian? |
| 16:31.55 | jetscreamer | if it's very modern card, nv won't |
| 16:31.57 | akuehntopf | Geforce 6200 LE |
| 16:32.03 | akuehntopf | pci-e |
| 16:32.08 | akuehntopf | nv supports it under 2.6.18 =) |
| 16:32.14 | akuehntopf | no problems there |
| 16:32.21 | sine | if you have a wifi card does that mean it can do bluetooth /. |
| 16:32.29 | jetscreamer | it's not 2.6.18 but xorg7.2 that supports it |
| 16:32.30 | Eulex | mp |
| 16:32.33 | Eulex | *no |
| 16:32.38 | akuehntopf | well |
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| 16:32.41 | klikklak | I wish hal would be fixed |
| 16:32.47 | akuehntopf | the card works with the same software, but only 2.6.18 kernel |
| 16:33.06 | akuehntopf | i just reboot with higher kernel and it stops working |
| 16:33.07 | PerfDave | sine: Bluetooth and wifi are different things. |
| 16:33.16 | Havis_ | anyone have idea when new ATI open-source drivers will be released? |
| 16:33.23 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: you can also compile .20 and .21, taking the paravirt_ops out and it will work |
| 16:33.29 | sine | my dmesg says bluetooth core 2.0 initialised etc |
| 16:33.34 | triptec | what might be the problem when it takes ages for my ssh server to ask for password??? |
| 16:33.38 | akuehntopf | jetscreamer, |
| 16:33.43 | akuehntopf | paravirt was not the problem |
| 16:33.45 | Eulex | Havis_, they already are, if you're talking about 8.41.7 (which supports hd 2600 etc) |
| 16:33.46 | jetscreamer | akuehntopf: you can just use backports.org to get a .22 kernel |
| 16:33.47 | akuehntopf | i used the patched driver |
| 16:33.50 | PerfDave | sine: You might have Bluetooth on your laptop, but it's not the same thing as wifi |
| 16:33.53 | helo | Havis_: i'm going to be releasing them every hour on the hour, for the next two days! |
| 16:33.58 | helo | then they will be completely released! |
| 16:34.00 | sine | how do i know |
| 16:34.03 | Havis_ | triptec: wrongly configured dns? |
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| 16:34.04 | bacs | stew: that's worked - it was just the local init script complaining - I thought it was the one inside the deb |
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| 16:34.49 | Havis_ | ;) |
| 16:34.57 | sine | is there a simple command i cant try to see if i have bluetooth |
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| 16:35.26 | jetscreamer | sine: dmesg|less maybe, not sure |
| 16:35.28 | triptec | hmmz, but it shouldn't make any difference, I'm connecting from 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0.11 |
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| 16:35.53 | helo | ¡lol ÇıqɹÉq Çɥʇ uo dɯıɹɥs ɹÇɥʇouÉ Ê‡nd |
| 16:35.54 | jetscreamer | sine: or dmesg|grep something |
| 16:36.08 | jetscreamer | i love shrimp |
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| 16:36.18 | Eulex | sine, lspci and lsusb might give clues too |
| 16:36.23 | Havis_ | helo: lol :D |
| 16:36.27 | Eulex | helo, that's some pretty unicode abuse. |
| 16:37.01 | jetscreamer | you toaster lover! |
| 16:37.19 | helo | stole it from a kuro5hin user's sig heh |
| 16:37.23 | helo | mmmm http://www.kuro5hin.org/user/uid:55559 |
| 16:37.25 | Cowman | having problems with debian network install on a laptop. network hardware is detected, but dhcp will not autoconfigure and manual network configuration fails as well. Booted with knoppix and the network works fine so the hardware/link is good |
| 16:37.32 | helo | wondered if it would make it over irc :) |
| 16:38.34 | sine | thanks it appears that i dont have any bluetooth on this laptop |
| 16:38.48 | Havis_ | triptec: friend had similar problem, and the problem was missing ptr record to public IP of his server. |
| 16:38.56 | hark | make your own http://www.revfad.com/flip.html :) |
| 16:39.02 | pickcoder | anyone know what spamassassin config param I can use to make X-Spam-Level (system generated level) headers show up in all mail? |
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| 16:39.31 | Cowman | getting NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmission timed out and tulip_stop_rxtx() failed errors over and over in dmesg |
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| 16:39.55 | dewey | hmm latest update kde-base looks like it will break install? |
| 16:39.57 | corey | BYE ALL |
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| 16:40.57 | jetscreamer | iirc it only took out a little kde (sid) |
| 16:41.53 | claudio` | How can i know what packages are inside a specific software family while installing the system? |
| 16:42.05 | jetscreamer | !tell claudio` -about search |
| 16:42.11 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 16:42.14 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 16:42.29 | jetscreamer | you mean tasksel, with the checkboxes? |
| 16:42.36 | claudio` | ehm.. |
| 16:42.36 | jetscreamer | take them all off is what i do |
| 16:42.39 | claudio` | jetscreamer: yes |
| 16:42.52 | akuehntopf | yeah |
| 16:42.56 | akuehntopf | don't check anything |
| 16:42.58 | claudio` | jetscreamer: me too |
| 16:43.00 | akuehntopf | just install later what you want |
| 16:43.01 | jetscreamer | i do not like the choices.... just use aptitude to select what you want when it's all over |
| 16:43.02 | claudio` | akuehntopf: ok |
| 16:43.15 | claudio` | but can i know what software are installed if i check something or it's a secret information? :-P |
| 16:43.24 | hark | man tasksel |
| 16:43.26 | akuehntopf | it's a trade secret |
| 16:43.27 | jetscreamer | there is a list somewhere |
| 16:43.27 | akuehntopf | sorry =) |
| 16:43.32 | claudio` | -.- |
| 16:43.35 | jetscreamer | hark he's in the installer though |
| 16:44.21 | jetscreamer | it's been purged. |
| 16:44.30 | jetscreamer | for a while i mean |
| 16:44.44 | Havis_ | claudio: try: dpkg --list | grep ^ii |
| 16:44.59 | claudio` | Havis_: from the installation shell? |
| 16:45.14 | akuehntopf | man...make-kpkg kernel_headers takes a while |
| 16:45.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 16:45.32 | claudio` | Havis_: dpkg is not in the installation shell. |
| 16:45.41 | jetscreamer | one sec |
| 16:45.50 | claudio` | i also chosen the expert installation |
| 16:45.52 | claudio` | :\ |
| 16:45.55 | garo | What's the best setting in /etc/default/rcS ? utc=YES or utc=NO ? |
| 16:46.04 | Havis_ | claudio: ohh, I havent read everything your wrote, I thought u need to know what is installed on system |
| 16:46.11 | hark | garo: man rcS |
| 16:46.21 | Eulex | garo, your choice. |
| 16:46.30 | claudio` | Havis_ ;) |
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| 16:46.57 | Havis_ | claudio: just install minimal system and then install rest ;) |
| 16:47.20 | jetscreamer | claudio`: does less /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc do anything from a shell off the installer? just a wild guess |
| 16:47.22 | claudio` | Havis_: yes, this is what i always do. But i would like to know what that software family are. |
| 16:47.42 | claudio` | jetscreamer: i'm using the non-graphical installer |
| 16:47.45 | jetscreamer | or /usr/lib/tasksel/tests/desktop |
| 16:47.52 | jetscreamer | claudio`: good |
| 16:48.01 | Havis_ | claudio: after you install you type as root: dpkg --list | grep ^ii |
| 16:48.02 | jetscreamer | claudio`: hit alt+f2 and type that |
| 16:48.18 | jetscreamer | well hit enter like it says first |
| 16:48.19 | garo | But I remember (although i'm not sure) that if you picked one of the 2 states then you could get in to problems with daylight savings time |
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| 16:48.38 | Havis_ | jetscreamer: damn I forgot to add hit enter :-( |
| 16:48.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:48.49 | Havis_ | :) |
| 16:48.59 | Havis_ | that usuall helps ^ |
| 16:49.03 | Havis_ | y* |
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| 16:49.16 | marco_polo | hello |
| 16:50.07 | jetscreamer | fuckin iceweasel just weaseled out... disappeared.... silently exited... borked out |
| 16:50.18 | abrotman | yay flash! |
| 16:50.44 | Havis_ | jetscreamer: use epiphany :P |
| 16:51.11 | claudio` | Havis_: don't seems to be much helpful. It just says the installed packages, AFAIK |
| 16:51.19 | rahul | jetscreamer: badgered. badgered. ASSbadgered. |
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| 16:52.31 | claudio` | jetscreamer: that files are not what i'm looking for. I need a list of all packages in the category X (e.g laptop, base, etc.) |
| 16:52.45 | Nyle | rahul: need to talk |
| 16:52.55 | Havis_ | jetscreamer: hmm? |
| 16:53.05 | hark | claudio`: tasksel --task-packages footask |
| 16:53.29 | claudio` | hark: yeah! |
| 16:53.31 | claudio` | hark: THX |
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| 16:58.25 | xand | what's this line at the bottom of dmesg mean? SysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot Crashdump tErm Full kIll saK showMem Nice powerOff showPc unRaw Sync showTasks Unmount |
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| 16:59.11 | xand | just a help menu? |
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| 16:59.20 | hark | magic sysreq looks like |
| 16:59.22 | cahoot | xand, keyboard combos for sysreq? |
| 16:59.31 | hark | *sysrq |
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| 16:59.38 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 16:59.39 | xand | well ok, wondering why it's there... maybe i pressed the key |
| 16:59.43 | abrotman | xand: did you hit the button ? |
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| 17:00.13 | xand | if i press it again it doesn't give me another line of it |
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| 17:00.29 | Nazcafan | I must install some packages through apt-get build-deps in order to make some dev, is there a simple way to get rid of them once finished developping ? |
| 17:00.49 | abrotman | Nazcafan: someone recently talked about that on planet.debian.org .. can't recall who though |
| 17:00.53 | Nazcafan | (other than listing all the packages) |
| 17:00.55 | Eulex | xand, I think that alt-sysrq-h is the key combo you're looking for. |
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| 17:04.32 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 17:04.32 | dpkg | i guess qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
| 17:04.54 | Eulex | !qotd0 |
| 17:04.54 | dpkg | qotd99 is probably <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
| 17:05.03 | PerfDave | !qotd27 |
| 17:05.03 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
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| 17:07.54 | abrotman | chop1: don't do that |
| 17:07.57 | abrotman | PerfDave: hi! |
| 17:08.08 | grendal_prime | does anyone know if the latest release of rdesktop fixes that damn overacting clean up.? |
| 17:08.19 | PerfDave | abrotman! |
| 17:08.21 | abrotman | overacting cleanup is bad ? |
| 17:08.50 | abrotman | and i'm sure rdesktop has a changelog |
| 17:08.54 | grendal_prime | well it was a bit gready, and closed down the actual window for the rdesktop sessioin |
| 17:09.12 | grendal_prime | ya..was heading there, just figured id ask here first |
| 17:09.27 | PerfDave | http://www.linux.com/feature/119287 is confusing - doesn't linux-image-2.6-{686,k7,amd64} have 4GB support by default? |
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| 17:09.56 | dogmeat | looking for the java decompiler package (etch), used to be jad, which package is it? |
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| 17:13.01 | hark | amd64 has, you need the -bigmem one for the 686 |
| 17:13.05 | abrotman | PerfDave: yes |
| 17:13.10 | abrotman | PerfDave: on etch anyways |
| 17:13.26 | Nyle | !seen Supaplex |
| 17:13.27 | dpkg | supaplex is currently on #debian, last said: 'cfusting: that's when I first used it :)'. |
| 17:13.41 | PerfDave | hark: -bigmem is for 64Gb, not 4Gb? |
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| 17:14.26 | daws | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.13 | Nyle | fuck off |
| 17:15.17 | abrotman | hark: no .. all i386 except -486 support 4GB |
| 17:15.18 | hark | PerfDave: 4-64GB according to the package desc, but CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y is set for the 686 |
| 17:15.21 | Nyle | nono |
| 17:15.23 | Nyle | th |
| 17:15.33 | Nyle | sorry wrong channel |
| 17:15.38 | Buzer | Hello. Is it possible to make an automated Debian install on a hard drive? (so when booting from that hard drive, Debian is automaticly installed) As long as the installed system can either get IP from the DHCP or I can provide static IP & ssh deamon is enabled, it's good enough for my needs |
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| 17:15.56 | bluesceada | anyone knows how to use two mice in X ..... with two cursors ? |
| 17:16.12 | bluesceada | would be very handy to work two handed .... |
| 17:16.26 | daws | bluesceada, I don't think it would support two |
| 17:16.33 | bluesceada | (or to use a pen as one pointer and moues as the other) |
| 17:16.39 | bluesceada | very bad :/ |
| 17:16.41 | daws | would be cool though |
| 17:16.43 | daws | anyone looking for a cheap gumstix? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250167734999 |
| 17:16.53 | bluesceada | hmm as modular etc. as X is .. does it really not? |
| 17:16.59 | cahoot | xorg 7.3 does? or is it coming in 7.4? |
| 17:16.59 | bluesceada | maybe some dirty config hack |
| 17:17.05 | bluesceada | O.o |
| 17:17.08 | bluesceada | cahoot: would be too great |
| 17:17.16 | bluesceada | isnt 7.3 the unstable to 7.4 |
| 17:17.16 | Eulex | bluesceada, support for that is coming in xorg 7.4 |
| 17:17.21 | bluesceada | wowww |
| 17:17.21 | abrotman | daws: don't spam us |
| 17:17.22 | bluesceada | nice |
| 17:17.34 | daws | abrotman, sorry :( |
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| 17:17.36 | bluesceada | Eulex: thank you |
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| 17:17.45 | abrotman | or that :) |
| 17:17.52 | bluesceada | waiting for it then (or looking if it's in 7.3 already |
| 17:18.04 | vader- | how hard is it to image a machine and move it to different hardware? |
| 17:18.05 | hark | abrotman: yeah, i guess that's for beyong 4G then |
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| 17:18.11 | vader- | a debian 3.1 install? |
| 17:18.22 | abrotman | hark: no .. the author is a tard |
| 17:18.32 | cydork | bluesceada: there is MPX although it's not debian yet. |
| 17:18.33 | DeiviDMD | hi... |
| 17:18.37 | Eulex | bluesceada, it isn't. |
| 17:18.58 | DeiviDMD | can somebody help me with kbluepin, please? |
| 17:18.58 | bluesceada | Eulex: hm ok, waiting then^^ |
| 17:19.21 | hark | abrotman: i meant the -bigmem kernel :) |
| 17:19.27 | bluesceada | mpx ... hm just git |
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| 17:19.48 | abrotman | hark: oh |
| 17:20.02 | DeiviDMD | can somebody help me with kbluepin, please? |
| 17:20.26 | bluesceada | hm there are packages for ubuntu feisty .. maybe they work.. |
| 17:20.37 | RLa | hey folks, i downloaded unfree rar utility and it does not work |
| 17:21.04 | DeiviDMD | ye, but I use debian lenny, not feisty... ;) |
| 17:21.08 | RLa | "unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar)" <- nothing i can do? |
| 17:21.30 | abrotman | RLa: downloaded from where ? |
| 17:21.33 | DeiviDMD | don't know if there are any solution? |
| 17:21.37 | bluesceada | DeiviDMD: me too ... but i just try, it might work |
| 17:21.59 | abrotman | bluesceada: do not tell people to do that |
| 17:22.08 | RLa | from rar homepage |
| 17:22.09 | bluesceada | ok sry^^ |
| 17:22.10 | DeiviDMD | ok, then, I download kdebluetooth for feisty, no? |
| 17:22.12 | abrotman | RLa: don't use that |
| 17:22.17 | abrotman | DeiviDMD: no |
| 17:22.18 | bluesceada | DeiviDMD: nono |
| 17:22.22 | abrotman | !tell RLa about unrar |
| 17:22.32 | abrotman | !tell RLa about unrar-free |
| 17:22.37 | bluesceada | arghhh.... |
| 17:22.39 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, no, why? |
| 17:22.43 | bluesceada | i meant ... for mpx there are packages for feisty |
| 17:22.45 | bluesceada | x.x |
| 17:22.46 | abrotman | DeiviDMD: because you're not using ubuntu |
| 17:22.47 | cydork | bluesceada: use nick highlighting next time ;) |
| 17:22.49 | bluesceada | < for me |
| 17:22.52 | bluesceada | yeh i'm sry |
| 17:23.03 | DeiviDMD | bluesceada, sorry ;) |
| 17:23.08 | abrotman | mixing versions of debian is bad enough .. mixing distros .. recipe for death |
| 17:23.20 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, because i use debian :P |
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| 17:23.31 | RLa | abrotman, i look for alternatives |
| 17:23.32 | bluesceada | urks 229mb package of mpx |
| 17:23.35 | bluesceada | all in one... |
| 17:23.44 | infernix | I have a box which gets an extreme amount of connections per second, and "netstat -anp | grep TIME_WAIT | wc -l" returns a whopping 75000 connections. Does a TCP connection always end in TIME_WAIT? If so, Can I reduce the time it waits for extra data on the socket? |
| 17:23.47 | bluesceada | freaky packagers |
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| 17:23.55 | abrotman | RLa: huh ? |
| 17:23.58 | cydork | bluesceada: don't even think about installing that shit. |
| 17:24.11 | bluesceada | cydork: i do :) |
| 17:24.16 | bluesceada | why not? |
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| 17:25.02 | cydork | bluesceada: different conventions. things can die. as abrotman said. |
| 17:25.15 | bluesceada | hardware die? |
| 17:25.23 | cydork | bahh. |
| 17:25.28 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, what you suggest? |
| 17:25.29 | bluesceada | otherwise ... i had gentoo running for a long time ;-) |
| 17:25.36 | bluesceada | so i'm used to things breaking lol |
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| 17:25.41 | abrotman | bluesceada: this is different |
| 17:25.47 | bluesceada | why? |
| 17:25.49 | abrotman | DeiviDMD: read the docs? make it work? |
| 17:26.01 | bluesceada | i mean like.. ? |
| 17:26.05 | abrotman | bluesceada: IT WILL BREAK |
| 17:26.11 | bluesceada | break what? |
| 17:26.12 | abrotman | oh fuck it .. do whatever you want |
| 17:26.19 | bluesceada | ok thanks |
| 17:26.25 | abrotman | see you after the reinstall |
| 17:26.35 | bluesceada | ah wait you mean it will overwrite parts from other packages without checking ? |
| 17:26.36 | Daveman | abrotman :) |
| 17:26.39 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, yes, and i search a lot of info on the web, but i don't find anything about this |
| 17:26.47 | Eulex | bluesceada, it might do anything. |
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| 17:26.53 | bluesceada | or does apt check such things |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | DeiviDMD: maybe ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 17:27.08 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, only, that for kde4, kbluepin use dbus |
| 17:27.46 | dogmeat | in aptitude, how do you redisplay the screen (e.g. ^L) |
| 17:28.12 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, it's problem of kde? or debian? i think debian, because it's only in debian |
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| 17:28.59 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, in addition, they said that it's problem of debian |
| 17:29.18 | abrotman | so ask #debian-kde |
| 17:29.31 | DeiviDMD | abrotman, thank you ;) |
| 17:31.27 | Daveman | So Abrotman |
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| 17:52.45 | BarryAllen | PerfDave, you really want mean that you can "observe" a problem thats depend on the time or with wich process the system hangs with a segfault? you must be joking. |
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| 17:52.58 | stuartt | wols: lspci says 06:00:0 ethernet controller ; atheros comms AR5212 802.11abg (rev 01) |
| 17:53.00 | faemir | PerfDave, I'm not on linux. otherwise I would. and calm down. |
| 17:53.04 | wols | BarryAllen: go away. you've proven enough that you don't want help now |
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| 17:54.03 | chrismay | how do I go about installing clisp with berkeley-db support? |
| 17:54.34 | wols | stuartt: madwifi and/or ndiswrapper are your only choices. nothing else |
| 17:54.42 | chrismay | do I have to compile clisp for myself? |
| 17:54.58 | wols | chrismay: apt-get the source and build the package with the options you want probably |
| 17:55.25 | stuartt | wols: Oh. I was looking for ath_pci. I'll get madwifi. Thank you. |
| 17:56.06 | stuartt | wols: As connects OK on pcmcia network card, |
| 17:56.55 | wols | huh? |
| 17:57.22 | stuartt | wols: Cable connect is OK but no wifi. |
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| 17:57.36 | stuartt | Old laptop!! |
| 17:58.12 | wols | so you know your pcmcia stuff is in order, which is good |
| 17:58.40 | wols | !tell stuartt about madwifi install |
| 17:58.41 | stuartt | wols: Yes, I'll plug cable in and get madwifi |
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| 17:59.22 | chrismay | wols: installed clisp and clisp-dev, do you point me to a package build tutorial please? :) |
| 17:59.36 | Traveler1 | hey, i'm using lenny and trying to run glquake or squake or quake.x11 binaries from ftp.idsoftware.com undur idstuff/unsup/unix. For some reason it is not recognized as a binary. kate recongnizes it as a binary, but it wants to open with wine and if i try on command line it says no such command or no such file or directory |
| 17:59.44 | stuartt | Thanks wols . See you next time I get it wrong.! |
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| 18:01.52 | Traveler1 | why wouldn't it recognize a 386 binary as an executable? I would compile it from source but i cant find the source code on thier site |
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| 18:03.00 | bluesceada | Traveler1: ehm maybe because it's a widnows binary? |
| 18:03.13 | bluesceada | win32 ... and not elf or a.out |
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| 18:03.22 | abrotman | file <file> |
| 18:03.24 | drijen | !seen phated |
| 18:03.24 | dpkg | phated <n=phated@unaffiliated/phated> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 261d 18h 24m 23s ago, saying: 'So... yeah, I'm self-kicking now because I'm offtopic.'. |
| 18:03.32 | drijen | :( |
| 18:03.51 | Traveler1 | bluesceada: i thought about that, but its undur unix on thier ftp and its packaged with the linux binary .txt |
| 18:04.02 | bluesceada | one mom |
| 18:04.11 | chrismay | wots: clisp-dev isn't the source? there is no clisp source package? |
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| 18:04.32 | Traveler1 | does anyone know where i can find the linux glquake source? |
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| 18:04.59 | Traveler1 | bluesceada: also, the same thing happens with the bianry labeled quake.x11, which i doubt is a win32 bin |
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| 18:05.55 | bluesceada | Traveler1: how do you open it |
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| 18:07.39 | bluesceada | Traveler1: which package |
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| 18:08.11 | chrismay | wots: ah! apt-get source packagename, sorry |
| 18:08.21 | Traveler1 | bluesceada: i've tried through kde, and then the commandline via mv $dir, then ./glquake, also tried putting it in /usr/local/bin |
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| 18:08.55 | mutante | did you read the message on http://mfcn.ilo.de/glxquake/#download "I no longer have the source-code on this site .. Instead the tarball contains (in addition to the binary) a patch (for the original quake sourcecode).." etc? |
| 18:08.56 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:09.06 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:09.06 | wols | Traveler1: have you set the file to be executable when trying to run it? |
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| 18:09.21 | Traveler1 | wols: yeah i used chmod +x ./glquake |
| 18:09.42 | wols | Traveler1: file glquake. what does it say? |
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| 18:10.13 | Traveler1 | i'm at school right now waiting for the bus, sorry, I'll sign back on from home and get the info |
| 18:10.37 | Traveler1 | thanks, i'll also check out the patch for the original source |
| 18:10.47 | mutante | "If you want to compile it yourself, download the quake 1 sourcecode. Extract it and apply my patch to the WinQuake directory of the archive: patch -p0 < /path/to/mfcns_glquake.patch. Change to the WinQuake directory and type make to compile it." |
| 18:10.56 | wols | if it'S ELF, then run "ldd glquake" and make sure all libs it wants are available |
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| 18:14.38 | Aeroraptour | hello |
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| 18:15.55 | Aeroraptour | I've just installed etch (with all the updates) on my thinkpad T40, and when I added the 'cpu freq. scalling monitor' to the panel, it gave me an error message saying that cpu freq. scalling was not supported |
| 18:16.09 | Aeroraptour | Though in windows, I know it is supported, and works |
| 18:16.24 | Aeroraptour | I have been reading throuhg some documentation, but nothing I've found seems to be working |
| 18:16.55 | Aeroraptour | the processor is an Intel Pentium M at 1.7GHz, and it should step down to 600Mhz |
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| 18:16.59 | ribnitz | heyas.. |
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| 18:17.21 | stew | Aeroraptour: modprobe speedstep-centrino |
| 18:17.31 | Aeroraptour | k |
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| 18:17.48 | ribnitz | todays sid update killed my X (nvidia config, stock 2.6.22 kernel). installing a precompiled nvidia mod odes not work. Ideas on fixing? |
| 18:17.51 | stew | Aeroraptour: (as root), you may want to add that to /etc/modules so that it gets loaded automatically at boot |
| 18:18.07 | Aeroraptour | yeah, I added it, lemme test that panel thing again |
| 18:18.45 | iguanna | hi friends, i have a debian distri with kernel 2.6.16-2 but my sourcelist comes per default with sarge repositories and it's a problem for me bacuase if i want to install some software or its packages are out of date or doesn't exist. my question is: |
| 18:18.55 | bluesceada | hmmmm |
| 18:19.11 | bluesceada | my system is not broken at all after installing the mpx package (which just installs in /opt/mpx |
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| 18:19.35 | diafic | Is there any way to back up a machine into installable boot disks? |
| 18:19.43 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 18:19.47 | iguanna | can i change sarge for etch in my sourcelist without problems or this change can be bad? |
| 18:19.48 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
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| 18:20.00 | abrotman | !tell iguanna about sarge->etch |
| 18:20.01 | Aeroraptour | well, it loaded without error |
| 18:20.17 | Aeroraptour | I guess the best way to test it is to take off the AC power and let it run on battery |
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| 18:20.20 | Aeroraptour | see if it steps |
| 18:20.29 | Aeroraptour | nope |
| 18:20.54 | Aeroraptour | is there anything else I have to do? |
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| 18:21.15 | hark | remove and try adding the applet again |
| 18:21.21 | Aeroraptour | I did |
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| 18:21.50 | ribnitz | On loading the mouse module, it tells me no drv available... |
| 18:22.01 | ribnitz | And then ofc no screens found. |
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| 18:22.12 | stew | Aeroraptour: install cpufreqd |
| 18:22.15 | ribnitz | What am I missing? (usb mouse) |
| 18:22.19 | valdyn | diafic: look at the mondo package |
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| 18:22.38 | stew | Aeroraptour: and/or cpufrequtils |
| 18:22.41 | hark | Aeroraptour: modprobe cpufreq_ondemand and see |
| 18:22.45 | Aeroraptour | k |
| 18:22.58 | diafic | valdyn, THATS THE ONE! |
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| 18:22.59 | frenchn00b | hi guys |
| 18:23.05 | Aeroraptour | hark, loaded |
| 18:23.08 | hark | Aeroraptour: you can check with cpufreq-info |
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| 18:23.33 | Aeroraptour | hark, yeah, it lists a bunch of steps, they look right |
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| 18:23.50 | yos87 | Hi |
| 18:23.50 | aliljet | hey .. I'm trying to intsall postfix (apt-get install postfix) and it wants to instally something like 40 packages -- is that normaly? |
| 18:23.55 | ribnitz | Ok, my X problems seem to be: LoadModule nvidia: not found; manually loading the kernel mod works. |
| 18:23.59 | aliljet | s/normaly/normal |
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| 18:24.49 | ribnitz | aliljet: mail is quite usual... |
| 18:25.08 | aliljet | ribnitz: what do you mean? |
| 18:25.10 | yos87 | I'm trying to burn a data dvd, after burn , the file name not appear as it is, the file name include a log chinese names, and it's replacing the names with _____ and removing the extention ! , how can I burn that data with the all file names |
| 18:25.31 | ribnitz | aliljet: Mail has loads of depends.. |
| 18:25.33 | valdyn | yos87: how _exactly_ are you burning it? |
| 18:25.53 | abrotman | aliljet: install mailx first perhaps |
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| 18:26.23 | aliljet | abrotman, ribnitz: alright.. i'll try it |
| 18:26.37 | aliljet | is there some reason why apt-get installs more than aptitude? |
| 18:26.38 | yos87 | __ valdyn: ___ i try with nero linux and k3b, dero did not accept to burn , But k3b burn it , but file name not appear as I told you |
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| 18:27.00 | valdyn | yos87: you use unicode ( utf ) on debian? |
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| 18:27.27 | yos87 | valdyn: I don't know, But the file name appear usually |
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| 18:27.53 | aliljet | ugh, why does it want to install emacs |
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| 18:28.04 | abrotman | aliljet: install mailx first |
| 18:28.06 | valdyn | yos87: see 'man genisoimage', --output-codepage etc |
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| 18:28.16 | abrotman | aliljet: if you don't have an MUA installed .. it grabs one .. and it goes for emacs |
| 18:28.20 | valdyn | yos87: i dont know a thing about chinese charsets, but that direction you need to look |
| 18:28.25 | yigal | lsub as a non-root user gives no info - as root it works? Does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:28.36 | yigal | s/lsub/lsusb |
| 18:29.03 | valdyn | yos87: k3b too uses genisoimage to generate the dvd image before burning it |
| 18:29.12 | Aeroraptour | k brb rebooting |
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| 18:29.23 | aliljet | abrotman: but that wants to install exim, and I don't want that |
| 18:29.33 | abrotman | aliljet: aptitude install mailx postfix |
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| 18:30.26 | aliljet | wicked. |
| 18:30.31 | aliljet | now it's just intsally a bunch of libraries |
| 18:30.34 | aliljet | abrotman: thanks! =) |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | someone should be shot dead over that :) |
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| 18:32.45 | wij32 | hey guys. my university is using 802.1x authentication. should i be using xsupplicant to do this? |
| 18:32.46 | yigal | lsusb as non-root user gives no info - as root it works? Does anyone have any ideas? I am using testing, lenny, 2.6.18-4-686. |
| 18:33.08 | abrotman | your kernel is out of date :) |
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| 18:33.56 | yigal | abrotman: should I do an upgrade to a 2.6.2* ? |
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| 18:34.10 | aliljet | abrotman: what is the mailx package? |
| 18:34.26 | stew | aliljet: apt-cache show mailx |
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| 18:34.48 | abrotman | yigal: it likely won't solve the problem .. install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 18:35.39 | yigal | abrotman: I know, its odd, I was playing a little bit with udev for support of my PDA - a blackberry I think I must have done something stupid :) |
| 18:35.43 | aliljet | stew: cool, thanks man |
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| 18:37.02 | wij32 | hey guys. my university is using 802.1x authentication. should i be using xsupplicant to do this? |
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| 18:38.00 | h3sp4wn | wij32: You can or wpa supplicant or xsupplicant doesn't matter |
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| 18:39.51 | grendal_prime | hey i want to execute an application on a remote host and have it ouput to the remote host..and i dont want to set up vncserver on that box |
| 18:40.05 | yigal | grendal_prime: ssh? |
| 18:40.07 | grendal_prime | cant i execute an x11 app to the 0 session |
| 18:40.24 | grendal_prime | ya but i want it to run so the user can see the output yigal |
| 18:40.57 | grendal_prime | like say user A is loged into and user the :0 Xsession |
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| 18:41.19 | grendal_prime | how do i fire that app off so that it displays on the :0 xsession |
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| 18:42.03 | mikefoo_ | Using Postfix. A user gets big attachements and the connection pipe isn't that big, so it takes a long time to download email. Could I get a 2mb limit on users mailbox or just reject all attachments over X size for user? |
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| 18:44.20 | geo-rge | mikefoo_: one way to do that is to have a mail server outside, and run also spamassassin on it |
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| 18:44.28 | uttara | I have compiled the linux-2.6.22.6 kernel. Everything seems to have gone well. But the initrd file is not being created. Does anybody know the solution? |
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| 18:44.46 | wols | uttara: why do you need/want an initrd? |
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| 18:44.54 | geo-rge | uttara: did you use make=kpkg |
| 18:44.58 | wols | raid, encrypted root fs or such? |
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| 18:45.21 | wols | if not: no initrd necessary usually. and yes, definitely use make-kpkg |
| 18:45.33 | uttara | geo-rge: no. I followed the standard procedure for kernel compilation |
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| 18:45.47 | geo-rge | it doesn't make one by itself |
| 18:45.59 | geo-rge | use make-kpkg, and feed it --initrd |
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| 18:46.04 | uttara | geo-rge: ok |
| 18:46.09 | geo-rge | the resulting package will create an initrd |
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| 18:46.45 | geo-rge | maybe you don't -need- an initrd... but that's how to get one |
| 18:46.50 | geo-rge | or, one way |
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| 18:47.31 | wols | more importantly it's the debian way :) |
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| 18:48.23 | geo-rge | the basic deal is, that debian package you build out of the kernel can then be installed on different machines, and it will try to figure out what needs to be in the initrd for THAT machine to mount / |
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| 18:49.16 | geo-rge | you already have the kernel source and it's already configured... just run the make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 18:49.29 | geo-rge | inside the source dir |
| 18:49.45 | geo-rge | then after it's done the package will be in .. (if successful) |
| 18:49.59 | zamuro | Since blackdown is no more... where can I get j2sk for amd64? |
| 18:50.09 | uttara | geo-rge: Thanks a lot for your suggestions |
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| 18:50.34 | h3sp4wn | zamuro: You want the plugin right ? |
| 18:50.49 | geo-rge | (and if you don't have make-kpkg.... apt-get install kernel-package |
| 18:50.56 | mikefoo_ | geo-rge: what? |
| 18:51.02 | h3sp4wn | zamuro: otherwise just use sun-java5-bin (or 5-bin) |
| 18:51.12 | mikefoo_ | whats a mailserver outside have to do with anything? |
| 18:51.14 | zamuro | Yup... And I already tried sun-java5-plugin... Never did a thing |
| 18:51.33 | geo-rge | blackdown gone? |
| 18:51.44 | geo-rge | what happenend to karl? |
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| 18:52.22 | h3sp4wn | It is scheduled to be added to java7 anyway |
| 18:52.29 | wAndyw78 | Hi. I have a running etch server, which I control with ssh and vnc4server. Now I want to remove the grafic card but now the x-server fails to start. Any hints? |
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| 18:52.43 | wols | zamuro: usually debian repos have it. non-free or contrib |
| 18:52.51 | wols | zamuro: there is no browser plugin tho |
| 18:53.11 | xand | wAndyw78: you can't run an X server without a graphics card... use ssh X forwarding instead |
| 18:53.12 | wols | wAndyw78: use a videodriver that doesn't need a card ("dummy") |
| 18:53.27 | zamuro | wols: well... not anymore... since blackdown is gone... |
| 18:53.28 | wols | xand: not true |
| 18:53.28 | wAndyw78 | wols: okay, i'll try |
| 18:53.42 | xand | that's just silly :| |
| 18:53.45 | wols | zamuro: where did I say ANYTHING about blackdown? |
| 18:53.48 | wols | !tell zamuro about java |
| 18:53.50 | geo-rge | what would be the point of running an x server without a card |
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| 18:53.59 | zamuro | wols: I did... |
| 18:54.18 | zamuro | Actually, that was the question I made in the first place. |
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| 18:54.22 | wols | zamuro: and I don't care what you said. I told you where you can get it. your choice if you don't want to follow the advice |
| 18:54.31 | wols | zamuro: but if you don't, why did you even bother us asking? |
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| 18:54.54 | zamuro | wols: cuz i ran out of ideas, maybe? |
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| 18:55.13 | Aidy | hi, does anyone know if it's possible to get sox with mp3 support in debian? |
| 18:55.32 | wols | geo-rge: running WINE kinda needs X |
| 18:55.35 | wAndyw78 | wols: Aaah, thank you for the tip, works fine. Changed driver "nv" to "dummy" |
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| 18:55.42 | wols | and I wanted to run something that requires wine |
| 18:55.55 | geo-rge | what would be the point of running wine without a display |
| 18:56.04 | wols | so you can run a program there |
| 18:56.05 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 18:56.08 | wAndyw78 | xand: Yes, I can run X without grafic card ;-) |
| 18:56.11 | Aidy | um i think wine can actually run without X... |
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| 18:56.21 | wols | and on the rare occasion when you want to look at what it's doing: vnc |
| 18:56.26 | Aidy | not really sure though |
| 18:56.47 | geo-rge | so you're running a win32 program that is a commandline thing? |
| 18:57.02 | wols | no.I run a win32 program that uses DX5 actually |
| 18:57.25 | geo-rge | never heard of dx5 |
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| 18:57.33 | Eulex | direct x 5 |
| 18:57.34 | wols | directx 5 |
| 18:57.40 | geo-rge | oh |
| 18:57.45 | geo-rge | a game? |
| 18:57.49 | wols | yes |
| 18:57.50 | Eulex | !directx |
| 18:57.50 | dpkg | i heard directx is A Microsoft technology that works under Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.x. Basically, it's a set of APIs that allow programmers to access more directly sound and graphics capabilities of the computer allowing for, among other things, great games. It's not available for linux, use openGL. |
| 18:58.33 | wols | quite old. the expansion uses DX7 or comes with it at least |
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| 18:58.39 | geo-rge | ok, this is a video game? |
| 18:58.40 | wols | 2000-2001 |
| 18:58.51 | wols | it's D2 |
| 18:58.55 | akuehntopf | diablo2? |
| 18:59.00 | akuehntopf | i play that too =) |
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| 18:59.03 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 18:59.04 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:59.09 | geo-rge | I have that somewhere |
| 18:59.17 | akuehntopf | wols: what doesn't work? |
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| 18:59.40 | geo-rge | woult that be a multiplayer server? |
| 18:59.55 | wols | geo-rge: no, alcient |
| 19:00.01 | pickcoder | heh I'm wondering that too |
| 19:00.02 | wols | *a client |
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| 19:00.23 | wols | akuehntopf: it does work fine, for what I use it |
| 19:00.29 | akuehntopf | ok good =) |
| 19:00.47 | wols | it took some fidgeting on a headless server without mouse or keyboard of course |
| 19:00.58 | akuehntopf | obviously, unixwheel wasn't a member of the wheel group... |
| 19:01.08 | wols | in D2, people make chars for only holding found items. "mule" |
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| 19:01.23 | wAndyw78 | Another question: Since webmin is removed from etch, is there a good replacement? |
| 19:01.25 | wols | if you don't access a mule for 90 days, blizzard deletes it. that sucks |
| 19:01.26 | geo-rge | wols: why in the world do you run a d2 client on a machine without video? |
| 19:01.31 | wols | accessing them regularly sucks as well |
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| 19:01.48 | wols | so I wanted linux to do it (with a little help from a program, an autoit script) |
| 19:01.55 | akuehntopf | well, if you want a separate account for it |
| 19:02.00 | akuehntopf | you're gonna need a second cd key |
| 19:02.06 | geo-rge | oh, to keep your acct around |
| 19:02.08 | akuehntopf | if you wanna play and mule at the same time |
| 19:02.09 | akuehntopf | =) |
| 19:02.30 | wols | akuehntopf: keys are no problem. I usually do HF rushes with 7 mules |
| 19:02.39 | Aidy | does anyone know if it's possible to get sox with mp3 support in debian? |
| 19:02.42 | akuehntopf | heh |
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| 19:05.11 | Nyle | fucking ubuntu |
| 19:05.14 | Nyle | I swear to god |
| 19:05.22 | mumz | A lesson this one needs > PriceChild swift lean and mean etc. Progress or die! |
| 19:05.24 | Nyle | utterly useless |
| 19:05.33 | geo-rge | head-shaking ubuntu user :) |
| 19:05.37 | Nyle | mumz: ? |
| 19:05.38 | mumz | Nyle: Shh, be nice |
| 19:05.52 | Nyle | Linux desktop 2.6.22-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:05.57 | Eulex | Nyle, good time to switch to debian? :) |
| 19:06.00 | Nyle | I'm on debian |
| 19:06.06 | Nyle | I'm just saying, ubuntu is crap |
| 19:06.10 | Nyle | sorry |
| 19:06.11 | Eulex | ^^ |
| 19:06.13 | grendal_prime | sounds like an awful lot of work just to go all 'LEROY JENKINS' on a game |
| 19:06.15 | mumz | Nyle: o dunno, gotta run iab... isnt this ubuntu nice ? |
| 19:06.25 | Nyle | mumz: english? |
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| 19:06.41 | grendal_prime | ubuntu is a pain in the ass |
| 19:06.45 | wAndyw78 | at all, to explain. The etch server should be used from WindowsClients, so X-Forwarding is only possible with Cygwin-X or other Windows-X and harder to configure (for win-user) than VNC-Client (UltraVnc). |
| 19:06.50 | Nyle | debian is the best |
| 19:06.55 | Nyle | without doubt |
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| 19:07.11 | grendal_prime | i like the fact that its out there and people are using it..but hell the way the root user is handled...funnnnky |
| 19:07.17 | Nyle | I read Ian Murdocks weblog last night, some old article |
| 19:07.19 | wols | Nyle: always remember: All software sucks. ALL of it. no exceptions |
| 19:07.28 | Nyle | wols: no, the programmers suck |
| 19:07.30 | grendal_prime | every os sucks |
| 19:07.35 | grendal_prime | i got that video |
| 19:07.35 | Nyle | humans suck |
| 19:07.48 | cloakable | god sucks |
| 19:07.49 | Nyle | we're the ones making software, if software sucks, logically so do humans |
| 19:07.50 | mumz | Nyle: I shall Behemoth awayeth fuxxorings the ladies for a whileth, i Trust in noone so you have been ordered to take charge |
| 19:07.55 | pickcoder | black holes suck the most |
| 19:08.00 | Nyle | pickcoder: true |
| 19:08.01 | pickcoder | har har |
| 19:08.02 | Nyle | true |
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| 19:08.29 | mumz | Its a phaze in which i like :=) |
| 19:08.32 | wols | Nyle: you fail logic 101 |
| 19:08.40 | Nyle | I actually aced that class |
| 19:08.41 | Nyle | :) |
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| 19:08.50 | Nyle | and every single philosophy/logic course I've taken in college |
| 19:08.53 | Nyle | thank you very much |
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| 19:09.17 | geo-rge | yay :) did you learn anything tho? |
| 19:09.20 | wols | no matter how many classes you aced, your loigic is still faulty |
| 19:09.28 | mumz | wols; Would you like to not chat for as long as i libe disch :=) |
| 19:09.29 | undesktop | when I have a debian source package, how do I build that (sorry for this stupid question)? |
| 19:09.34 | wols | it's actually worse than my typing |
| 19:09.38 | wols | if you can believe that |
| 19:10.00 | geo-rge | undesktop: it usually installs a tarball |
| 19:10.02 | wols | mumz: I only love abrotman. and ponies. Not you, so go away please |
| 19:10.04 | geo-rge | find that |
| 19:10.23 | mumz | wols: Get a groupie man, your ladixxen are horrid :P |
| 19:10.27 | wols | undesktop: int he place you ran apt-get source, there is no a directoriy from your install |
| 19:10.35 | wols | go in there and run dpkg-buildpackage or such |
| 19:10.38 | undesktop | geo-rge: well, apt-get source created directory including the usual stuff (source + configure), and a /debian/ |
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| 19:10.49 | mumz | wols: Cock down lady... |
| 19:10.55 | abrotman | okay |
| 19:10.58 | undesktop | wols: ok, ty, that did i |
| 19:10.58 | _gpg_ | hi |
| 19:11.00 | undesktop | *it |
| 19:11.08 | _gpg_ | my sound card isnt working on debian testing |
| 19:11.19 | geo-rge | ok, so try fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 19:11.24 | _gpg_ | i tried to install apt-get install alsa-base |
| 19:11.27 | geo-rge | and then do |
| 19:11.34 | _gpg_ | but got The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used! |
| 19:11.40 | geo-rge | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 19:11.45 | geo-rge | and |
| 19:11.51 | geo-rge | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 19:12.01 | stew | mumz: please keep it on-topic. do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:12.18 | undesktop | actually, I just wanted to find out why starting gnome-keybindings-properties crashes with a segfault on start |
| 19:13.01 | mumz | abrotman: http://abrotman.rules.mange.dynalias.org.linux.html |
| 19:13.21 | geo-rge | (which is what dpkg-buildpackage would do, among other things) |
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| 19:13.42 | mumz | Öpve you all, keep the good spiritualis! |
| 19:13.45 | mumz | Love |
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| 19:14.14 | stew | mumz: you've been silenced for being off-topic. if you decide you want to be on-topic, you can contact me privately |
| 19:14.34 | h3sp4wn | Is there some magic way to get kernel-package to build for amd64 on i386 (I have 4gb ram and the app I need is particularly painful to use chrooted) - debian amd64 kernel is working fine - and gcc-multilib is working fine (i.e using -m64) |
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| 19:15.26 | Nyle | amd64 is beautiful |
| 19:15.31 | logd | ls -d shouldn't give directories ? t says only "." |
| 19:15.43 | Nyle | I'm still trying to understand the reason why Etch (stable) is so unstable |
| 19:15.49 | Nyle | while unstable is so very stable |
| 19:15.56 | Nyle | its like backwards regarding amd64 |
| 19:16.10 | krazykit | Nyle, because you're using the wrong definition of stable. |
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| 19:16.13 | capiira | maybe because of the admin :D |
| 19:16.23 | wols | cause etch for amd64 isn't really mature software |
| 19:16.23 | Nyle | I'm probably wrong about half the shit I say anyway |
| 19:16.25 | wols | sid had more time |
| 19:16.29 | Nyle | wols: ahh |
| 19:16.34 | Nyle | wols: which is what I was thinking |
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| 19:17.04 | h3sp4wn | The problems with a 64 bit kernel and a 32 bit userland seem have been sorted out anyway |
| 19:17.16 | h3sp4wn | (well alsa and nvidia anyway are fine here) |
| 19:17.34 | Nyle | audio/video transcoding seems almost twice as fast on 64bit |
| 19:17.45 | Nyle | I don't know if this is percieved on my part, or if it is actually faster |
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| 19:17.47 | h3sp4wn | Nyle: It probably is |
| 19:17.49 | Nyle | but whatever, its cool |
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| 19:18.33 | akuehntopf | anyone using debian/amd64? |
| 19:18.35 | capiira | ohhh gnome 2.20 just got released |
| 19:18.35 | wAndyw78 | I have lenny 64bit, never had problems with this, why have others? |
| 19:18.38 | ilyak_ | Hi everyone! |
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| 19:18.45 | akuehntopf | wAndyw78, |
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| 19:18.53 | akuehntopf | can you post your sources.list please? |
| 19:19.06 | ilyak_ | Today I was totally confused by scanf() behavior |
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| 19:19.30 | capiira | by speaking of source.list is there a tool to generate them like the netinstaller do ? |
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| 19:19.38 | wAndyw78 | akuehntopf: I have the standard one, never did a change |
| 19:19.42 | capiira | i mean by selecting country etc. |
| 19:19.43 | pipatron | arglh. Is there *any* way to tell apt that "no, I don't care, I'm not going to install a mail-transfer-agent, even if you think some package needs it!"? |
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| 19:20.00 | akuehntopf | wAndyw78, |
| 19:20.05 | akuehntopf | please, post it |
| 19:20.05 | wAndyw78 | capiira: go to debian.org, have a look at the mirror list |
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| 19:20.13 | ilyak_ | I thought that scanf "%d %d %d %d" of "1 4 2\n" would result in 3 and 3 variables processed. But in reality it continues to read stdin |
| 19:20.16 | akuehntopf | i deleted mine |
| 19:20.50 | capiira | yeah i know that but there is no tool or a script or something like that? |
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| 19:21.14 | wAndyw78 | akuehntopf: have it on my laptop, which I have in my car... Very urgent? |
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| 19:21.42 | akuehntopf | y ;) |
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| 19:21.57 | maxxle | if i wanna download a file with wget from an httpd and there is a '-' in it. Do I have to escape it? e.g. wget "http://example.com/test/x-y.txt" |
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| 19:23.09 | Eulex | maxxle, I don't think so |
| 19:23.34 | krazykit | maxxle, pretty sure hyphens don't need escaping, but certain other chars need escaping |
| 19:24.09 | wAndyw78 | akuehntopf: why don't use apt-spy, for example? |
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| 19:24.25 | akuehntopf | i can't install anything =) |
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| 19:24.31 | maxxle | so - do I have to escape the '-' ? |
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| 19:24.56 | krazykit | maxxle, try it and find out? |
| 19:25.10 | krazykit | or escape it anyway, it can't hurt. |
| 19:25.11 | pipatron | maxxle: no |
| 19:25.19 | pipatron | maxxle: why would you have to escape it? |
| 19:25.21 | maxxle | hm - ok |
| 19:25.28 | chrismay` | Downloaded the source for clisp with apt-get source clisp. Now I can build the package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b but where do I tell it to build the package with the berkeley-db module support e.g. --with-module=berkeley-db ? |
| 19:25.35 | maxxle | because if there is a blank in the filename i have to escape it too |
| 19:25.41 | pipatron | maxxle: yes |
| 19:26.01 | hark | chrismay`: look in debian/rules |
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| 19:26.03 | pipatron | maxxle: a blank is the shell argument separator |
| 19:26.22 | maxxle | And browsers do use some other code for blank as well |
| 19:26.30 | pipatron | yes |
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| 19:26.39 | pipatron | + or %20 for example |
| 19:26.43 | hark | akuehntopf: /msg dpkg sources.list /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 19:26.57 | maxxle | the problem is that i can't download the file in iceweasel as well :( |
| 19:27.22 | akuehntopf | hark, ? |
| 19:27.27 | akuehntopf | hm |
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| 19:27.44 | akuehntopf | yes, hark but i need it for amd64 |
| 19:27.53 | pipatron | maxxle: Maybe because example.com isn't hosting any files? ;) |
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| 19:28.22 | maxxle | hehe :) |
| 19:28.29 | maxxle | sure it doesn't ;) |
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| 19:28.41 | pipatron | Try some --very-verbose-plz flag for wget mayube |
| 19:28.43 | pipatron | *maybe |
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| 19:29.52 | hark | akuehntopf: don't worry about that.. apt automatically generates a URI with the current architecture |
| 19:30.06 | akuehntopf | hark |
| 19:30.17 | wAndyw78 | akuehntopf: I#ll go to my car.... |
| 19:30.22 | akuehntopf | so if i just use the regular lenny mirror means i will get a amd64-lenny? |
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| 19:32.02 | broadcaster | is ftp.de.debian.org somehow broken? i have md5 mismatches since yesterday |
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| 19:32.17 | jelly | akuehntopf: if you use an amd64 installation cd, yes |
| 19:32.22 | akuehntopf | i did, yes |
| 19:32.32 | akuehntopf | 4.0 netinst-amd6t4 |
| 19:32.35 | akuehntopf | -t |
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| 19:32.54 | wAndyw | akuehntopf: posted you my sources.list |
| 19:33.02 | akuehntopf | wAndyw, where? |
| 19:33.18 | wAndyw | private message |
| 19:33.21 | akuehntopf | uh |
| 19:33.23 | akuehntopf | have no private msg |
| 19:33.25 | akuehntopf | ? |
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| 19:33.45 | hark | you have to be identified first |
| 19:33.51 | akuehntopf | argh |
| 19:33.59 | akuehntopf | ok now |
| 19:34.04 | akuehntopf | i'm identified |
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| 19:34.26 | _gpg_ | can any one help me to install my sound card please (debian testing) |
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| 19:35.12 | akuehntopf | wAndyw, can you please re-post the file? |
| 19:35.14 | pipatron | _gpg_: what kind of card? |
| 19:35.18 | PerfDave | _gpg_: You need to put it in the exansion slot :) |
| 19:35.33 | _gpg_ | pipatron CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 19:35.39 | maxxle | pfff..... i've downloaded the file from another server - thx. |
| 19:36.10 | maxxle | thx |
| 19:36.14 | PerfDave | D'oh, /names in here is a really bad idea :) |
| 19:36.15 | pipatron | _gpg_: connected to your computer how? |
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| 19:36.28 | Ronin | PerfDave: heh only 816 nicks, cant imagine why |
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| 19:36.33 | _gpg_ | pipatron integrated in the mother board |
| 19:36.34 | pipatron | PerfDave: Not if you have a huge screen and want to brag about how big screen you have |
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| 19:37.01 | wols | !tell _gpg_ about alsa checklist |
| 19:37.50 | _gpg_ | dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base, i've selected the right driver but still not working |
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| 19:38.04 | pipatron | "not working" |
| 19:38.12 | pipatron | People on IRC love that expression |
| 19:38.19 | _gpg_ | pipatron right |
| 19:38.28 | _gpg_ | pipatron well |
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| 19:39.09 | _gpg_ | pipatron any idea ? |
| 19:39.22 | pipatron | _gpg_: Of course not, could be anything |
| 19:39.30 | pipatron | _gpg_: Is the volume set to 0%? |
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| 19:39.51 | frafra | hi all |
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| 19:39.57 | frafra | I'm trying to install a 2-cd game with wine (on debian sid) |
| 19:40.26 | frafra | all works well, but I don't know how to switch my cd |
| 19:40.38 | wAndyw | akuehntopf: works? |
| 19:40.43 | pipatron | press the little "eject" button on the CD player ;) |
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| 19:40.50 | akuehntopf | yes, works |
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| 19:41.04 | akuehntopf | thanks a lot |
| 19:41.05 | _gpg_ | pipatron http://pastebin.com/m7c5ba73b |
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| 19:41.07 | akuehntopf | wAndyw, |
| 19:41.09 | frafra | pipatron: when I put the other one, the installer ask repeately for cd2 |
| 19:41.23 | pipatron | copyprotection |
| 19:41.27 | capiira | wow the new gnome theme is nice :) and already in unstable |
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| 19:41.36 | frafra | capiira: yes, it's very nice |
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| 19:41.41 | valdyn | capiira: which? |
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| 19:41.48 | capiira | the default one from 2.20 |
| 19:41.54 | frafra | valdyn: clearlooks |
| 19:42.07 | capiira | smooth and sexy |
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| 19:42.17 | valdyn | frafra: same as 2.18 ? |
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| 19:42.49 | capiira | http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/ |
| 19:43.32 | capiira | im using it with gilouche windows border |
| 19:43.37 | capiira | fits perfect |
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| 19:44.35 | capiira | with this as border http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1286 |
| 19:44.42 | _gpg_ | pipatron udevtrigger, seems that alsaconf is obsolete |
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| 19:45.28 | pipatron | _gpg_: Check the manpages for amixer, see what /dev/foo it tries to use, probably some /dev/mixer1 or something, I can't remember |
| 19:45.40 | pipatron | _gpg_: And you probably don't have that device, so you need to tell it to use something else |
| 19:46.04 | _gpg_ | pipatron i've just used udevtrigger and the sound is ok |
| 19:46.09 | pipatron | Okay |
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| 19:47.08 | mot_ | is there an ncurses interface for configuring networking interfaces in debina? |
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| 19:47.30 | Nyle | not that i know of |
| 19:47.32 | Nyle | !interfaces |
| 19:47.32 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 19:47.36 | Nyle | just edit the file |
| 19:47.45 | Nyle | there are frontends in kde and gnome |
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| 19:48.04 | pipatron | ncurses interface for networks = nano |
| 19:48.08 | Nyle | lol |
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| 19:49.17 | valdyn | mot_: etherconf |
| 19:49.43 | mot_ | command not found |
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| 19:49.50 | Nyle | !info etherconf |
| 19:49.51 | valdyn | !installit |
| 19:49.51 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 19:49.51 | mot_ | apt-get install: package etherconf not found |
| 19:49.54 | pipatron | apt-cache search etherconf |
| 19:50.05 | abrotman | i thought etherconf was gone in etch |
| 19:50.06 | valdyn | oh, its gone |
| 19:50.09 | akuehntopf | is it possible to just download the packages |
| 19:50.13 | akuehntopf | instead of installing them? |
| 19:50.14 | Nyle | yes |
| 19:50.16 | akuehntopf | using apt-get |
| 19:50.19 | Nyle | yes |
| 19:50.20 | abrotman | akuehntopf: man apt-get .. yes |
| 19:50.21 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 19:50.25 | akuehntopf | ok thx |
| 19:50.35 | pipatron | thx is a registred trademark |
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| 19:50.47 | akuehntopf | thnx |
| 19:50.47 | akuehntopf | :D |
| 19:50.53 | mot_ | gee golly |
| 19:50.57 | mot_ | apt-cache search etherconf not found |
| 19:51.09 | Nyle | !info etherconf etch |
| 19:51.16 | pipatron | Someone made an amiga program called THX, they got seriously threatening letters from george lucas & co... :P |
| 19:51.17 | Nyle | nope |
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| 19:52.36 | szachista | hi |
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| 19:53.51 | Nyle | hi |
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| 19:54.49 | szachista | i'm going to install an app which uses it's own wizard and requires to do it from root account. I really don't want to mess my distro, so how can i check which files it really creates? |
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| 19:55.06 | szachista | i've tried fakeroot, but the installer doesn't run |
| 19:55.39 | szachista | is there any tool for monitoring files created by given process? |
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| 19:56.24 | dkr | szachista: strace |
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| 19:57.02 | valdyn | szachista: checkinstall |
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| 19:58.03 | hpc_lulz | you know what |
| 19:58.07 | pipatron | no |
| 19:58.09 | hpc_lulz | FUCK debian |
| 19:58.09 | pipatron | tell us |
| 19:58.13 | hpc_lulz | fuck debian up the stupid ass |
| 19:58.13 | szachista | valdyn: i'm installing the new lotus symphony. They don't give source code so no checkinstall |
| 19:58.13 | pipatron | Where? |
| 19:58.20 | hpc_lulz | in your mom's basement. |
| 19:58.28 | hpc_lulz | 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 19:58.29 | pipatron | hpc_lulz: She lives in an apartment |
| 19:58.30 | hpc_lulz | seriously |
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| 19:58.33 | hpc_lulz | do you realize how old that kernel is? |
| 19:58.35 | hpc_lulz | how is that "stable"? |
| 19:58.40 | hpc_lulz | it's more like.. "ancient" |
| 19:58.50 | abrotman | hpc_lulz: do you need help ? |
| 19:58.53 | hpc_lulz | 2.6.18 hasn't been used in fedora since fucking november of 2006 at the latest. |
| 19:58.54 | hpc_lulz | at the LATEST |
| 19:58.56 | valdyn | szachista: checkinstall has nothing to do with source code |
| 19:59.04 | pipatron | hpc_lulz: too bad |
| 19:59.10 | szachista | strace? omg, i'm not such a hardcore user to use stace :/ |
| 19:59.10 | hpc_lulz | yea, i need help figuring out why debian's idea of "stable" is almost as old as ethernet itself. |
| 19:59.14 | Nyle | I got my license plates! |
| 19:59.16 | abrotman | hpc_lulz: DO YOU NEED HELP? |
| 19:59.16 | Nyle | yippy |
| 19:59.21 | hpc_lulz | yea nigga |
| 19:59.22 | Nyle | no more bus taking, I can drive again |
| 19:59.26 | abrotman | hpc_lulz: if you're just here to troll .. go away |
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| 19:59.30 | hpc_lulz | i'm not trolling |
| 19:59.31 | Nyle | hpc_lulz: please refrain from that in here |
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| 19:59.33 | hpc_lulz | i'm just stating the obvious |
| 19:59.35 | abrotman | yes .. you are |
| 19:59.39 | hpc_lulz | trolling would be me ranting and raving about incoherent bullshit |
| 19:59.40 | abrotman | go somewhere else to do it |
| 19:59.42 | valdyn | !ops hpc_lulz trolling/racism |
| 19:59.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: hpc_lulz trolling/racism |
| 19:59.44 | abrotman | !ops hpc_lulz torolling |
| 19:59.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: hpc_lulz torolling |
| 19:59.45 | hpc_lulz | whereas i'm actually making a valid point |
| 19:59.54 | hpc_lulz | racism? |
| 19:59.54 | pipatron | hpc_lulz: So you're just a moron |
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| 19:59.59 | hpc_lulz | wait, what did i say that was racist? |
| 20:00.00 | Nyle | valdyn: that was uncalled for, should give a warning first |
| 20:00.10 | hpc_lulz | "nigga" is not a racial slur, it is a term of endearment as a matter of fact. |
| 20:00.12 | pipatron | hpc_lulz: Without any clue whatsoever about anything related to debian |
| 20:00.12 | valdyn | Nyle: no |
| 20:00.16 | Knoedel_ | hi all, how can i install dircolors (i want to have the same like i have under gentoo) |
| 20:00.17 | Nyle | valdyn: if he persists more than once, then plase by all means ops |
| 20:00.20 | hpc_lulz | if you want to get incredibly politically correct on the issue |
| 20:00.21 | dkr | gotta love the typical argument about what trolling *really* is from trolls. ;) |
| 20:00.29 | Nyle | valdyn: now I agree with you, he won't let up :) |
| 20:00.34 | hpc_lulz | heh |
| 20:00.38 | hpc_lulz | Linux debianbase 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Fri Jun 1 00:07:22 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:00.49 | Nyle | hpc_lulz: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:00.53 | abrotman | hpc_lulz: if you don't like it .. use another distro .. stop whining/trolling |
| 20:01.03 | hpc_lulz | cat: /dev/unrandom: No such file or directory |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | moron |
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| 20:01.40 | valdyn | wow, banned? |
| 20:01.46 | ompaul | unrandom he wanted /dev/zero ;-) |
| 20:01.48 | ompaul | non |
| 20:01.53 | ompaul | no he is not banned |
| 20:01.59 | abrotman | valdyn: no .. he tried to cat /dev/urandom into the channel .. likely using bitchx which died when he tried |
| 20:02.12 | claudio` | Does ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 has been removed from *all* mirror or just from mine? |
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| 20:02.15 | pipatron | Do you get a lot of those retards here? |
| 20:02.21 | hpc | oh sorry |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | claudio`: you want -5- |
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| 20:02.56 | claudio` | abrotman: nor apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade install the version -5- on my system. |
| 20:03.00 | Nyle | pipatron: on the weekends, usually, yes |
| 20:03.02 | happydayz | hey guys i have a question |
| 20:03.04 | Nyle | weekday are mostly fine |
| 20:03.05 | pipatron | happydayz: no |
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| 20:03.07 | happydayz | can anybody answer it? |
| 20:03.10 | abrotman | claudio`: do you have security lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:03.12 | pipatron | happydayz: no |
| 20:03.14 | Nyle | !ask |
| 20:03.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:03.18 | claudio` | abrotman: of course, i have |
| 20:03.22 | Nyle | happydayz: ^^ |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | claudio`: can you show it to me ? |
| 20:03.32 | claudio` | abrotman: sure |
| 20:03.37 | happydayz | well you see |
| 20:03.41 | pipatron | happydayz: shut up |
| 20:03.45 | claudio` | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:03.45 | claudio` | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:03.47 | happydayz | my problem is that i can't stop singing the theme to "happy days" |
| 20:03.52 | claudio` | abrotman: that are my security mirrors. |
| 20:03.53 | happydayz | i watched a clip of fonzy jumping the shark last night |
| 20:03.54 | abrotman | claudio`: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:04.00 | happydayz | now, it's all...SUNDAY MONDAY HAPPY DAYS |
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| 20:04.04 | happydayz | tuesday wednesday happy days |
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| 20:04.21 | claudio` | abrotman: done |
| 20:04.22 | Nyle | thank you kind sir |
| 20:04.23 | abrotman | ompaul: thank you |
| 20:04.26 | abrotman | claudio`: and what happened ? |
| 20:04.27 | ompaul | np |
| 20:04.34 | Nyle | claudio`: look on packages.debian.org |
| 20:04.39 | claudio` | abrotman: the -5- is istalling |
| 20:04.48 | claudio` | abrotman: why ``upgrade'' and ``dist-upgrade'' don't install it? |
| 20:04.49 | abrotman | claudio`: and now you should be able to get your modules for ipw3945 |
| 20:04.51 | claudio` | Nyle: for what? |
| 20:04.59 | Nyle | the package you are looking for |
| 20:05.00 | abrotman | claudio`: you didn't have the metapackage installed |
| 20:05.08 | claudio` | Nyle: i already know what i'm looking for. THX |
| 20:05.20 | Nyle | claudio`: I know, I was trying to answer you question |
| 20:05.21 | claudio` | abrotman: aaah, this because i done the expert installation |
| 20:05.23 | abrotman | claudio`: the metapackage grabs the newest version .. |
| 20:05.26 | valdyn | claudio`: its a new package, not just a new version of a package |
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| 20:05.33 | valdyn | claudio`: the 5 makes it a new package |
| 20:05.36 | claudio` | Nyle: abrotman was quite helpful. THX anyway |
| 20:05.47 | claudio` | valdyn: yes, but with the metapackage it works, indeed |
| 20:05.51 | claudio` | valdyn: THX |
| 20:05.57 | claudio` | abrotman: and THX to you, of course ;) |
| 20:06.03 | abrotman | too much THX! |
| 20:06.05 | Nyle | valdyn: and that should come from the security repo? |
| 20:06.05 | valdyn | claudio`: debian has to change kernel / module versions if they break binary compatibility |
| 20:06.15 | Nyle | afaik etch is frozen with -4 |
| 20:06.21 | Nyle | -5 is probably security related |
| 20:06.25 | valdyn | claudio`: because this _could_ break custom modules for instance |
| 20:06.38 | claudio` | valdyn: yes, i'd read the release notes :p |
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| 20:06.42 | claudio` | hx again |
| 20:06.44 | claudio` | *thx |
| 20:06.45 | Nyle | wow |
| 20:06.49 | Nyle | you actually read the release notes |
| 20:07.05 | Nyle | you might actually be worth helping :) |
| 20:07.08 | Nyle | j/k |
| 20:07.14 | valdyn | Nyle: obviously that security fix broke binary interfaces ( between kernel and modules ) |
| 20:07.18 | claudio` | -.- |
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| 20:07.44 | esk | is there a way to tell python-ldap not to try to use SASL for ldap.initialize('ldaps://some.host') ? |
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| 20:08.06 | abrotman | unixwheel: FFS .. fix your internet/client |
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| 20:08.35 | bazz | i've added an entry to my hosts file to remap a name to a differnt ip than dns thinks it is but i think the old ip is still in my dns cache. how can i flush that? |
| 20:08.49 | abrotman | bazz: reboot |
| 20:08.50 | valdyn | bazz: you're wrong? |
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| 20:09.18 | bazz | valdyn: well, ping pings the address i want but nslookup finds the old address |
| 20:09.20 | valdyn | bazz: /etc/hosts should take precedence over any 'cache'. At most restart the app |
| 20:09.38 | valdyn | bazz: nslookup never queries /etc/hosts |
| 20:09.38 | abrotman | nslookup doesn't use /etc/hosts |
| 20:09.41 | bazz | ahh |
| 20:09.42 | bazz | okay |
| 20:09.51 | valdyn | bazz: it just does what the name sais |
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| 20:10.33 | bazz | yeah, restarting the app worked. i probably should have thought of that :) |
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| 20:12.16 | Nyle | I've got 192kb worth 0.0.0.0 mapped hosts |
| 20:12.24 | Nyle | browsing is good |
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| 20:12.37 | Nyle | that plus adblock |
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| 20:13.07 | Nyle | totally kills all banners and ads, and browsing is fast. I also compiled a list of adblocked hosts for konqueror |
| 20:13.20 | Nyle | if anyone wants it, fairly comprehensive, and does not get int he way of browsing |
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| 20:13.40 | valdyn | just privoxy gets most |
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| 20:14.00 | Nyle | whats that? |
| 20:14.09 | valdyn | a filtering proxy |
| 20:14.15 | CharminTheMoose | how do i produce a patch file between two source directories? |
| 20:14.29 | maddash | is there any other way to override the CFLAGS in debian/rules besides manually editing the file? |
| 20:14.31 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: diff -r |
| 20:14.33 | Nyle | valdyn: free? |
| 20:14.38 | valdyn | !info privoxy |
| 20:14.42 | dpkg | privoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1244 kB, Installed size: 2700 kB |
| 20:14.48 | Nyle | privoxy.org |
| 20:14.52 | Nyle | oh its packaged! wow |
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| 20:15.06 | pickcoder | abrotman: that's what happens when you have your client on autoconnect/autojoin for too many loaded channels |
| 20:15.07 | Kevin` | usual is diff -Urn or similar. whatever means unified, recursive, new files as blank. I probably got the caps wrong |
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| 20:15.13 | Nyle | urn |
| 20:15.14 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 20:15.26 | Nyle | set mode miRc hehe |
| 20:15.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: that's what happens when your client sucks :) |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | ompaul: thanks again |
| 20:15.52 | pickcoder | true.. if it paused between joins for a bit, it wouldn't get the sendq error |
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| 20:16.06 | Daveman | PARTYTIME |
| 20:16.14 | abrotman | at 4:16 ? |
| 20:16.14 | InitMass | is there a way to see which bus the d-sub is? |
| 20:16.17 | ompaul | abrotman, np, may I pm you |
| 20:16.28 | abrotman | uhm .. i think so :) |
| 20:16.39 | abrotman | are you allowed to deny staff ? |
| 20:16.48 | ompaul | abrotman, yes |
| 20:16.54 | abrotman | hehe .. |
| 20:16.58 | abrotman | yeah .. go ahead |
| 20:17.00 | ompaul | and the politics of that are interesting ;-) |
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| 20:17.12 | pipatron | not if you insist on using a space between the question and the questionmark |
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| 20:17.19 | abrotman | i can't help it! |
| 20:17.28 | pipatron | then you're not allowed to do *anything* until you improve |
| 20:17.38 | abrotman | i've been doing it for years |
| 20:17.49 | pipatron | maybe you're french? :/ |
| 20:18.10 | jelly | he would be lebrotman then |
| 20:18.20 | pickcoder | I guess a ban from #debian didn't fix his problem |
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| 20:18.28 | abrotman | pipatron: you're not the first person to suggest that |
| 20:18.36 | duns_s | hi |
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| 20:18.38 | pickcoder | he's still sendq'in in circles |
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| 20:19.02 | duns_s | i would like to use pidstat from package sysstat on my unstable machine to get the io usage of each process |
| 20:19.07 | duns_s | my kernel is 2.6.22-2 |
| 20:19.21 | duns_s | but neither pidstat nor atop work with me |
| 20:19.21 | pipatron | duns_s: What's stopping you? :) |
| 20:19.22 | jelly | Kevin`: -Nru |
| 20:19.28 | Nyle | jelly: my main man whatsup |
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| 20:19.56 | duns_s | pipatron: atop says: No disk-activity figures available; request ignored |
| 20:19.58 | szachista | does it make any sense to run program from root acount using fakeroot? Will this program have write acces to my syster directories like /usr? |
| 20:20.08 | duns_s | and pidstat just does not show anything |
| 20:20.16 | maddash | szachista: no, it's FAKE. |
| 20:20.18 | psychonate | What command can show me what version of gcc was used to compile my current kernel? |
| 20:20.20 | duns_s | is there a special module to load? |
| 20:20.23 | pipatron | szachista: Fakeroot means fake-/ |
| 20:20.29 | pipatron | szachista: As in, root directory |
| 20:20.30 | valdyn | szachista: fakeroot gives no permissions at all |
| 20:20.34 | pipatron | szachista: Not root user |
| 20:21.05 | valdyn | szachista: its only there to accomodate a shortcoming of 'tar' for instance |
| 20:21.06 | jelly | Nyle: same old |
| 20:21.07 | pipatron | Well ok, not that simple |
| 20:21.12 | szachista | even if i run fakeroot from ROOT account? |
| 20:21.31 | esk | fakeroot - run a command in an environment faking root privileges for file manipulation |
| 20:21.36 | valdyn | szachista: it just does effecticely nothing |
| 20:21.46 | jelly | szachista: fakeroot doesn't take any permissions from the runs that runs it |
| 20:21.49 | valdyn | szachista: it just does effecticely nothing run as root |
| 20:22.10 | szachista | ohhh... i see |
| 20:22.10 | psychonate | 'cat /proc/version' seems to do it |
| 20:22.37 | jelly | now, if fakeroot would be so nice to do a unionfs and allow "writing" everywhere, that would be fun. |
| 20:23.10 | esk | I think it basically makes the program you run with it _think_ you are root by messing with libraries |
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| 20:23.37 | duns_s | any ideas? |
| 20:23.54 | hawke | Hello all...can anyone point to a page describing the logic behind having the .so symlinks in the -dev packages rather than the main lib* package? |
| 20:24.00 | duns_s | i've read that it should work on kernels greater than 2.6.20 |
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| 20:24.34 | claudio` | hey |
| 20:25.21 | duns_s | common any hints, google is not a great help either ;-) ? |
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| 20:26.23 | valdyn | duns_s: atop needs to run as root |
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| 20:26.36 | valdyn | duns_s: not sure if it still needs an extra kernel module |
| 20:26.47 | duns_s | i've run everything as root |
| 20:26.54 | duns_s | i mean pidstat and atop |
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| 20:27.20 | valdyn | kernel-patch-atopcnt - additional statistical counters for atop |
| 20:27.34 | jelly | how can I find out why is my X cursor hidden (presumably, by an app)? |
| 20:27.48 | claudio` | What's the ``right'' resolution for a 15.1" widescreen? The 1024x768 seems to be a bit strange. |
| 20:28.01 | pipatron | 1280x768 maybe |
| 20:28.10 | claudio` | pipatron: uhm.. let me try |
| 20:28.11 | valdyn | claudio`: anything fitting the aspect |
| 20:28.13 | valdyn | claudio`: anything fitting the aspect ratio |
| 20:28.15 | jelly | claudio`: 15.4" |
| 20:28.38 | pipatron | widescreen sucks anyway |
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| 20:28.42 | valdyn | claudio`: though you should read the manual that came with it.. |
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| 20:28.57 | claudio` | it's the laptop |
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| 20:29.02 | claudio` | ..there is nothing about. |
| 20:29.20 | jelly | claudio`: for 16:10 widescreens, some have 1280x800 "WXGA", some have 1680x1050 "WSXGA" |
| 20:29.23 | valdyn | claudio`: lcd displays have a fixed resolution |
| 20:29.28 | valdyn | claudio`: rtm. |
| 20:29.33 | pipatron | +f |
| 20:29.50 | claudio` | valdyn: what part of ``there is nothing about'' you didn't understood? :-P |
| 20:29.59 | valdyn | claudio`: i dont believe you |
| 20:30.03 | pipatron | claudio`: tell us the model and we'll tell you the resolution |
| 20:30.04 | claudio` | valdyn: uh.. ok |
| 20:30.14 | claudio` | pipatron: Acer TravelMate 4200 |
| 20:30.26 | jelly | claudio`: look up the part number on the manufacturer's web pages? |
| 20:30.29 | esk | has anyone here used python-ldap on debian (with ldaps)? It seems to act differently than on other distros. |
| 20:30.43 | claudio` | jelly: sure, there is only the *maximum* resolution supported, not the ``suggested''. |
| 20:30.51 | pipatron | 1280x800 |
| 20:30.57 | claudio` | pipatron: good, THX |
| 20:31.03 | pipatron | google for 1 second |
| 20:31.08 | claudio` | pipatron: can you give me the URL you found, please? |
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| 20:31.29 | claudio` | pipatron: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Acer+TravelMate+4200+resolution&btnG=Search |
| 20:31.31 | karsten | OT: anyone else finding satellite data in Google Maps is showing up missing? San Jose, CA, close-in zooms turn up data unavailable. |
| 20:31.44 | claudio` | this is what i tried but there is nothing of ``official'', AFAIK |
| 20:31.55 | claudio` | pipatron: anyway, i'm trying 2180x800. THX |
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| 20:32.38 | pipatron | http://www.superwarehouse.com/Acer~TravelMate_4200-series.htm |
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| 20:33.30 | claudio` | That seems to be the maximum resolution, indeed. |
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| 20:34.27 | pipatron | TFT/LCD only have one fixed resolution |
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| 20:34.34 | Aidis | yay NSLU2 debian :) |
| 20:34.42 | pipatron | If you're lucky it can resample other resolutions to that |
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| 20:37.43 | Rahsputin | is there a way to have a seperate Linux OS to run in "emulator" during a running session? |
| 20:38.01 | pipatron | Plenty |
| 20:38.10 | craig | you can certainly run linux in a vm |
| 20:38.10 | pipatron | qemu, xen, vmware, etc |
| 20:38.38 | pipatron | Then there was this I can't remember now |
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| 20:39.00 | pipatron | Running the kernel as a user process |
| 20:39.09 | pipatron | uml? |
| 20:39.19 | pipatron | user mode linux |
| 20:39.33 | _uplinkd_ | the system is not recognizing my 2nd dvd-rw drive, where should i start troubleshooting? |
| 20:39.45 | pipatron | _uplinkd_: the bios maybe |
| 20:39.54 | Rahsputin | craig, virtualbox maybe ? but the are all so heavyweight if that is the right word |
| 20:40.09 | _uplinkd_ | pipatron: worked fine under windows, fresh install of debian as of 1 hour ago |
| 20:40.23 | pipatron | _uplinkd_: Okay, just checking. |
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| 20:41.31 | pipatron | _uplinkd_: IDE? |
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| 20:42.30 | _uplinkd_ | pipatron: scsi |
| 20:42.39 | pipatron | Weirdo |
| 20:42.43 | _uplinkd_ | lol |
| 20:42.48 | Rahsputin | lol |
| 20:42.52 | asulao | hello. My name server resolves say host.example.com to the internet as 1.2.3.4. I'd like that same name host.example.com resolves to a different IP (say 10.0.0.100) if it is being queried from my local LAN. Is this possible? |
| 20:43.13 | pickcoder | asulao: yes |
| 20:43.19 | asulao | pickcoder, how? |
| 20:43.23 | pipatron | Everything is possible, unfortunately |
| 20:43.23 | Kevin` | anyone know how to play a cd in analog mode (not cdda) on linux? |
| 20:43.31 | Eulex | asulao, (1) set up your own dns server (2) customize as you want |
| 20:43.38 | pickcoder | set up a DNS server on your LAN and serve a zone for your LAN network |
| 20:43.47 | pipatron | asulao: Check out dnsmasq |
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| 20:44.18 | asulao | I'm using bind |
| 20:44.39 | asulao | is it possible with bind ? |
| 20:44.55 | asulao | Eulex, I have my own dns server already |
| 20:45.12 | pipatron | asulao: If you know how to configure bind you wuldn't be here asking ;) |
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| 20:45.29 | _uplinkd_ | pipatron: is there a way to list all my drives? |
| 20:45.46 | asulao | I'm trying to have it serve different IP depending if names are being queried for from my local LAN of from the Inet. |
| 20:45.56 | asulao | pipatron, I'm not bind expert, that's why I'm asking |
| 20:46.11 | pipatron | _uplinkd_: dunno, check /proc/bus/scsi/ maybe |
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| 20:46.27 | Rahsputin | like in fdisk -l ? |
| 20:46.39 | pickcoder | asulao: yes |
| 20:46.48 | asulao | xD |
| 20:46.53 | asulao | how? |
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| 20:47.42 | pickcoder | setup a local domain zone |
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| 20:48.55 | pickcoder | then you need to allow recursion and transfer on your DNS server, for you lan. |
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| 20:49.13 | _uplinkd_ | pipatron: the device is not in /proc/scsi/scsi. all my other drives are. advice? |
| 20:49.43 | pipatron | reqest for advice: rejected |
| 20:49.52 | _uplinkd_ | lol, thanks anyhow |
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| 20:50.04 | pipatron | checked dmesg? :) |
| 20:50.19 | pipatron | dmesg | grep scsi |
| 20:50.26 | _uplinkd_ | not in there either.. dmesg | grep -i cd | grep -i cdrom |
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| 20:50.54 | aebonyne | I run Debian Sid x86-64 with the binary nVidia driver (so not running xorg 7.3). Over the past few days I have been experienced weirdness with X with various programs freezing (mainly firefox, but currently xfdesktop will not start). Is there some way to revert to the previous versions of stuff from before xorg 7.3 came out? And where can I find status on the nvidia-glx package being updated in Sid? |
| 20:51.23 | asulao | pickcoder, thanks I'd need to find out more, just followed the dns howto. |
| 20:51.24 | pipatron | binary drivers ;( |
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| 20:51.33 | aebonyne | Yes, binary drivers :( :( |
| 20:51.39 | pipatron | so sad :( |
| 20:51.45 | pickcoder | asulao: it's not an easy to explain thing if you're totally new to bind |
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| 20:51.53 | pickcoder | you need to find an example online and hack it up |
| 20:52.55 | asulao | what I don't understand is: I have several zones in named.conf, which are queried depending on what is queried, right ? Say if host.example.com is queried then zone "example.com" is used to get the host Ok? |
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| 20:53.12 | pickcoder | right |
| 20:53.21 | asulao | so where do I put my host.example.com resolution IF query comes from local LAN? |
| 20:53.42 | asulao | I already have host.example.com to be say 1.2.3.4 inside zone "example.com" |
| 20:53.46 | pickcoder | asulao: are you using bind for external resolution? |
| 20:53.49 | aebonyne | Hmm... it seems to be working right now... xfdesktop just takes about 5 minutes to start... |
| 20:53.51 | asulao | yes |
| 20:53.57 | asulao | both internal and external |
| 20:54.05 | aebonyne | Anyone know where I could find out about the status of the nvidia-glx package? |
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| 20:54.24 | pickcoder | I've never hosted both on the same bind server |
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| 20:54.37 | pipatron | aebonyne: You could try removing the '--mswindows-delay' switch |
| 20:54.44 | pickcoder | I would host my internal DNS on another machine and use the same domain zone |
| 20:54.53 | asulao | Okay, so what you people do is have a different dns server than for external right? |
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| 20:55.04 | pickcoder | set the default gateway to the link that has the DNS server you want to transfer to |
| 20:55.29 | pickcoder | that's what _I_ would do... not saying that's the only or right way |
| 20:55.30 | asulao | oh well, don't have more machines :( |
| 20:55.42 | pipatron | How many NICs in the server? |
| 20:56.00 | pickcoder | pipatron: bind it to a local interface? |
| 20:56.03 | asulao | 1 |
| 20:56.03 | pipatron | Yeah |
| 20:56.06 | pickcoder | erm |
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| 20:56.08 | pipatron | Ok, not then. |
| 20:56.10 | pickcoder | what about domain searches |
| 20:56.17 | pipatron | Bah |
| 20:56.22 | pipatron | Details. |
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| 20:57.21 | pickcoder | asulao: look at query-source |
| 20:57.50 | asulao | googling it... |
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| 20:59.00 | MTecknology | I'm having a hard time figuring out how to set up shared keys between my ubuntu system and the debian servers... I managed to get it working with the fedora servers, but I need some help now... |
| 20:59.01 | pickcoder | you could host both, but you'd have to do some port mangling on one interface |
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| 20:59.37 | tuv | any opinions on balsa vs. claws as a gnome email client? or maybe a better alternative? |
| 20:59.48 | P4C0 | hello guys, I'm making a debian package, that use and depends of postgres, my dependency list have something like: postgresql-client (>= 7.4.0) | postgresql-client (>= 8.1) but it seems that the libs are in postgresql-dev but only for 7.4? for 8 it's already in? is there a way to do this check? can I grup then in ( ) ? |
| 20:59.54 | pipatron | MTecknology: ssh-keygen on the ubuntu box, then add the id_*.pub files to the ed of .ssh/authorized_keys on debian servers? |
| 21:00.08 | MTecknology | pipatron, tried it |
| 21:00.09 | pipatron | MTecknology: Or did I completely misunderstand you? |
| 21:00.46 | MTecknology | pipatron, you understood me, on the fedora servers i used authorized_keys2, i'm trying both on the debian server |
| 21:00.55 | pickcoder | asulao: actually..look at sortlist |
| 21:01.03 | pipatron | In debian it's just .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:01.05 | pickcoder | you may be able to put them all in the same zone file |
| 21:01.15 | pipatron | MTecknology: Try 'ssh -vvv server' |
| 21:01.16 | pickcoder | I've never done that, though |
| 21:01.23 | pickcoder | then again I'm no expert |
| 21:01.53 | tuv | what is a fast and lightweight gnome email client? |
| 21:01.54 | pipatron | MTecknology: See if that tells you anything of interest, also 'tail /var/log/syslog' or something on the servers |
| 21:02.00 | pipatron | tuv: mutt |
| 21:02.48 | MTecknology | pipatron, http://pastebin.ca/706397 |
| 21:03.41 | pipatron | MTecknology: Your keys are messed up it seems |
| 21:03.44 | pickcoder | asulao: that will probably expose your internal IPs though, unless you can find a way to block that |
| 21:04.00 | MTecknology | pipatron, it works on other servers though... |
| 21:04.28 | pipatron | MTecknology: From the same client? |
| 21:04.33 | MTecknology | yup |
| 21:04.45 | pipatron | Interesting. |
| 21:04.55 | MTecknology | it's worked on 2, not working on this 1, haven't tried on the other debian server yet |
| 21:05.20 | h3sp4wn | tuv: there is no lightweight gnome stuff anymore (its polluted with mono and java and python etc) |
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| 21:06.17 | tuv | h3sp4wn, somewhat true, but there are still some C stuff |
| 21:06.30 | pipatron | How the ***** could someone think actually coding gnome apps in C# would be a great ide? |
| 21:06.37 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: well, if you could restrain your app set to be only python, or only mono, or only java, that wouldn't hurt much |
| 21:06.38 | tuv | h3sp4wn, i know claws is pretty fast, but not sure about its stability |
| 21:07.04 | asulao | pickcoder, I wouldn't want that local IPs get exposed if possible. |
| 21:07.31 | MTecknology | pipatron, 700 for .ssh and 600 for the authorized_keys file? |
| 21:07.47 | pipatron | MTecknology: Yeah |
| 21:08.06 | asulao | concerning query-source: the way to use it would be to have several zone "example.com" with query-source option inside with different query-source IP ? |
| 21:08.13 | MTecknology | pipatron, ........it worked on the virtual debian server running on that same debian server |
| 21:08.57 | pipatron | MTecknology: So it's a PEBKAC ;) |
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| 21:09.40 | MTecknology | pipatron, i hope i'm not that dense |
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| 21:10.36 | pipatron | MTecknology: You could add some extra logging to the server |
| 21:11.00 | pipatron | MTecknology: /etc/ssh/sshd_config, there's an option called LogLevel, you can set it to VERBOSE or DEBUG |
| 21:11.13 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: could be solaris but I doubt its changed that much underneath - between solaris 10 and solaris express now (It shouldn't be crappy with 4cpu's and 4gb ram) - btw compiling an amd64 kernel on i386 is not difficult with gcc-multiarch (I guess you probably figured it out now anyway) |
| 21:11.23 | MTecknology | pipatron, it was pebkac |
| 21:11.24 | pickcoder | asulao: no.. it's an option |
| 21:11.32 | pipatron | MTecknology: Good |
| 21:11.37 | MTecknology | thanks for pointing that out :P |
| 21:11.40 | pickcoder | that's where external queries come from |
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| 21:11.43 | pipatron | It usually is ;) |
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| 21:11.53 | grendal_prime | what the hell is this? |
| 21:11.59 | grendal_prime | Sep 21 07:44:45 ablerouter kernel: pci_set_power_state(): 0000:00:0b.0: state=3, current state=5 |
| 21:12.01 | wAndyw78 | very simple samba related question: If I add a user with adduser, do I have also add the same user with same passwort with smdpasswd -a ? |
| 21:12.05 | pickcoder | otherwise external queries go out the default interface |
| 21:12.13 | grendal_prime | i got a router that writes that to the syslog..several times a min |
| 21:12.19 | pipatron | wAndyw78: I'd say "yes" |
| 21:12.28 | pipatron | wAndyw78: Don't quote me on that though ;) |
| 21:12.49 | grendal_prime | ya ya do wAndyw78 |
| 21:12.58 | grendal_prime | last i heard you did |
| 21:13.16 | pipatron | In theory I guess they could use PAM oslt |
| 21:13.31 | grendal_prime | there are front ends for doing all that im sure |
| 21:13.31 | wAndyw78 | but what happens, I only one passwort will be changed? I think this is stupid |
| 21:13.39 | pipatron | wAndyw78: No |
| 21:14.13 | pipatron | wAndyw78: Normally you don't want to add 400 complete users to your fileserver |
| 21:14.30 | grendal_prime | its not stupid..beats the hell out of a system that is soo integrated that you have to remove permisions for all the other users on the syste. |
| 21:14.38 | wAndyw78 | pipatron: what would i do, if so? |
| 21:14.57 | pipatron | wAndyw78: You modify your adduser script to also cal smbpasswd |
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| 21:15.02 | pipatron | *call |
| 21:15.11 | spx2 | how does one use samba server ? |
| 21:15.12 | wAndyw78 | pipatron: ah, okay... |
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| 21:15.29 | pipatron | spx2: apt-get install samba swat |
| 21:15.30 | grendal_prime | !samba |
| 21:15.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 21:16.33 | wAndyw78 | pipatron: that means i want to have 3 user, each should have access to their home directories on the linux box then i have to: add 3 users to create their home dirs and then add these 3 users mit smbpasswd and the username and passwd MUST match? |
| 21:16.51 | grendal_prime | our 130,000 dollar NAS uses a cifs server..(when i have to dig into it i swear its just an expensive samba server, and the os is definatly linux) |
| 21:17.05 | pipatron | wAndyw78: The samba password doesn't have to match the linux password |
| 21:17.11 | grendal_prime | that thing is a workhorse. |
| 21:17.51 | wAndyw78 | pipatron: Okay, thanks. but the username has to match if they wan't to access their home directory ? |
| 21:18.04 | pipatron | wAndyw78: Not necessarily, you can configure that as well |
| 21:18.17 | pipatron | wAndyw78: But by default, samba exports their homedirs |
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| 21:19.12 | pipatron | There's an annoying "feature" in samba/SMB, you can't export a folder called 'pipe' |
| 21:19.21 | pipatron | Which happens to be my username everywhere... |
| 21:19.40 | pipatron | So everyones homedirs works, except mine.. |
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| 21:22.46 | amphi | pipatron: heh |
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| 21:23.06 | wAndyw78 | pipatron: okay, it works: Thought it would be sufficient to add linux users. But it is possible to add SMB user without linux users? |
| 21:23.22 | wAndyw78 | I think so |
| 21:23.30 | wAndyw78 | I'll try :-) |
| 21:25.42 | klikklak | this ones a bit tough: how do I easily export latin-1 gtktalog report to csv? ... |
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| 21:26.37 | pipatron | klikklak: with perl. next question? ;) |
| 21:26.42 | sam1337 | What would be a good name for an LVM Volume group? atm im thinking along the lines of 'File System' or 'File Server' |
| 21:26.54 | pipatron | sam1337: vg0 or vg00 |
| 21:26.58 | klikklak | I'm asking just for the sake of complementarity, not really expecting that anyone would have experience with this problem |
| 21:26.58 | klikklak | cdcat crashes on import btw |
| 21:27.11 | klikklak | pipatron: ok, thx :) |
| 21:27.16 | sam1337 | pipatron can you give me a reason please? |
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| 21:27.43 | pipatron | sam1337: it's the defacto default naming scheme |
| 21:27.45 | klikklak | damn, maybe I should try to hone my non-existant coding skillz with that one (with python though) |
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| 21:28.03 | pipatron | sam1337: naming it something else is like installing something on D:\ in windows. |
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| 21:28.18 | pipatron | sam1337: It works, but you bet that something will eventually break it ;) |
| 21:28.45 | sconn | HM anyone know why it says (microsoft) after the mac address of my default gatewat |
| 21:28.48 | sconn | gateway |
| 21:28.59 | sam1337 | pipatron so the first volume group i made should be vg0 and then vg1 after that and then vg2 etc? |
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| 21:29.20 | pipatron | sam1337: Why are you planning on having so many? |
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| 21:29.40 | h3sp4wn | sam1337: You can call it anything you want - mine is called tank |
| 21:29.46 | sam1337 | pipatron multiple hdds |
| 21:29.47 | pipatron | sam1337: I think debian installer names them vg00 |
| 21:30.01 | undesktop | how do I debug a program which is started from a script? |
| 21:30.02 | pipatron | sam1337: The point with LVM is that you pool your HDs :) |
| 21:30.18 | sam1337 | pipatron multiple operating systems then |
| 21:30.20 | pipatron | sam1337: But yeah, you can name them whatever you want, but I'd avoid any spaces |
| 21:30.35 | pipatron | You'll have to type escape chars until the end of time |
| 21:30.59 | pipatron | Also, it's dead easy to rename volume groups afterwards |
| 21:31.11 | h3sp4wn | sam1337: leave a decent amount of free space though for snapshots etc |
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| 21:31.28 | sam1337 | pipatron how do i rename volume groups? |
| 21:31.30 | pipatron | undesktop: What program? What script? |
| 21:31.38 | pipatron | sam1337: vgrename |
| 21:31.50 | sam1337 | pipatron thanks |
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| 21:32.01 | undesktop | pipatron: a compiled C program, which is launched from a shell script; and I want to debug the C program using GDB |
| 21:32.13 | pipatron | undesktop: You have to edit the script |
| 21:32.29 | pipatron | undesktop: Or that's the most trivial way to do it |
| 21:32.50 | undesktop | #gdb directed me to gdb --args, I'll check that |
| 21:32.54 | pipatron | undesktop: You could most probably also hook yourself up to the program at runtime, but I don't know anything about gdb really |
| 21:33.24 | undesktop | yes, I know how to debug running programs (attach #pid), but this program crashes at startup |
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| 21:33.32 | pipatron | So fix it ;) |
| 21:33.36 | pipatron | Then debug! |
| 21:33.52 | undesktop | it's not my program |
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| 21:34.04 | undesktop | it's gnome-keybindings-properties |
| 21:34.11 | undesktop | so pretty complicated |
| 21:34.14 | sam1337 | Linux, bsd, solaris, macosx are all unix right? |
| 21:34.33 | pipatron | sam1337: linux isn't, the rest are :) |
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| 21:34.46 | undesktop | sam1337: yes, at least all the APIs are the same |
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| 21:34.52 | h3sp4wn | sam1337: No - only solaris and the new macosx are (other than BSDI) |
| 21:35.02 | undesktop | Unix itself is a trademark I think, and thus Linux isn't Unix |
| 21:35.03 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: why are other BSDs not Unix? |
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| 21:35.19 | h3sp4wn | \amethyst: because its a certification |
| 21:35.23 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: ah |
| 21:35.41 | plb | am I going crazy or has xserver-xorg suddenly added fglrx-driver as a conflict? |
| 21:35.47 | pipatron | undesktop: gnome-keybindings-propertis is probably written in java running on top of a C# interpreter written in python |
| 21:36.21 | undesktop | pipatron: heh... no, but they have some kind of strange infrastructure around these gnome-control-center applets |
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| 21:36.34 | undesktop | the program crashes in main, calling g_free and then free |
| 21:36.47 | pipatron | I just noticed that gnome-trashcan-applet has allocated 4MB of heap just for nothing at all apparently |
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| 21:37.03 | pipatron | didn't check the source, I was just checking who was using the memory in my computer |
| 21:37.18 | undesktop | isn't that typical for Gnome :) |
| 21:37.21 | pipatron | Yeah |
| 21:37.26 | pipatron | But I'm still using it :( |
| 21:37.58 | undesktop | well, I wouldn't care about gnome, but the gnome session demon thingy somehow blocks some of my keyboard keys |
| 21:38.15 | pipatron | evil. |
| 21:38.21 | undesktop | so I tried looking into it, but the keybinding config program crashes, so I have to debug it |
| 21:38.32 | pipatron | good luck |
| 21:38.41 | undesktop | I'll need that |
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| 21:39.25 | sine | hiii |
| 21:39.38 | sam1337 | is 'File.System' and 'File.Server' one word? and is a volume group more like a file system or a file server? |
| 21:40.15 | pipatron | sam1337: a volume group is like one huge harddrive |
| 21:40.17 | sine | how can i reset my network is it still xinet.d or somthing |
| 21:40.28 | h3sp4wn | sam1337: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/anatomy.html |
| 21:40.30 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:40.41 | sine | ta |
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| 21:41.33 | sam1337 | I think i will name my volume group 'Filesystem' |
| 21:41.35 | pipatron | sam1337: Normally you want as few volume groups as possible |
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| 21:43.44 | sine | how do you execute a file with a . in front of it ? /smthn/.file |
| 21:43.53 | sine | or ~/ |
| 21:43.54 | sam1337 | is lenny going to stick with kernel 2.6.21 or is the final release going to use 2.6.22? |
| 21:44.01 | pipatron | sine: yes. |
| 21:44.09 | sine | which one |
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| 21:44.19 | pipatron | sine: Whichever works |
| 21:44.38 | undesktop | there's nothing special about . |
| 21:45.20 | h3sp4wn | sam1337: likely something a few versions on even that is not made yet |
| 21:45.30 | abrotman | sam1337: that's a good bit off still |
| 21:45.34 | pipatron | 2.6.31 probably |
| 21:45.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dudes, you're going to love this: http://thepiratebay.org/blog/86 |
| 21:46.16 | pipatron | :D |
| 21:46.48 | sam1337 | TPB is well funny |
| 21:46.54 | Sir_Sid | Whats the main lenny repository? |
| 21:46.57 | sine | undesktop, ehat / |
| 21:47.01 | sine | what even |
| 21:47.13 | undesktop | sine: ? |
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| 21:47.36 | sine | undesktop> there's nothing special about . |
| 21:47.46 | pipatron | sine: If you can't execute a file starting with a dot, the dot is not to blame |
| 21:47.53 | undesktop | sine: well, there isn't I think |
| 21:48.04 | pipatron | sine: What happens when you try? |
| 21:48.12 | sine | i typed my question wrong |
| 21:48.25 | sine | it was meant to have a comma |
| 21:48.39 | sine | ive worked it out anyway |
| 21:48.58 | pipatron | ./\,file should work in worst case |
| 21:49.16 | Sir_Sid | Whats the main lenny repository? All I have are the ones from security.debian.org |
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| 21:50.28 | sam1337 | I tried debian etch before but my dvd-rw drive did not work, i am too noob to fix it and it made my boot up time incredibly slow :( |
| 21:50.37 | pipatron | noob :( |
| 21:51.06 | sam1337 | i am waiting now for a new dvd-rw drive or lenny to use a kernel version which allows me to use my nvidia graphics card |
| 21:51.26 | sam1337 | sucky ubuntu for the time being. |
| 21:51.43 | pipatron | Nothing wrong with ubuntu |
| 21:51.54 | pipatron | Except gnome |
| 21:52.06 | pipatron | And firefox |
| 21:52.07 | pipatron | etc |
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| 21:52.14 | peterS | anything wrong with xserver-xorg-video-nv, for that matter? |
| 21:52.21 | sam1337 | its harder to perform a custom installation with ubuntu |
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| 21:52.29 | maddash | !tell Sir_Sid about mirrors |
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| 21:52.36 | sam1337 | peterS i need 3d rendering |
| 21:52.40 | peterS | people talk like using the proprietary vendor driver for nvidia graphics cards is actually _required_ |
| 21:53.04 | maddash | pipatron: and kde. and automatix. and bloat. |
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| 21:53.32 | sam1337 | pipatron and no root user at install |
| 21:54.13 | sam1337 | pipatron less secure and stable, lower quality of release and shorter release cycle |
| 21:54.14 | maddash | peterS: people also talk like going to college is _required_ |
| 21:54.16 | pipatron | maddash: automatix doesn't have much to do with ubuntu though |
| 21:54.24 | peterS | maddash: indeed |
| 21:54.29 | maddash | pipatron: vice versa is the problem |
| 21:55.37 | undesktop | strange, I could solve my problem with Gnome, but according to the source it shouldn't have crashed :) |
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| 21:56.42 | pipatron | Anyway, the right tool for the right job - if ubuntu sucks, then don't use it :) |
| 21:56.57 | pipatron | I'm happy using it on my thinkpad, but I prefer debian on the servers |
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| 21:59.03 | sine | i love these linux commands |
| 21:59.06 | sine | locate ffs! |
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| 21:59.13 | undesktop | oh dear... can anyone tell me the reason why my next-track multimedia key doesn't work, but my previous-track key works? ... |
| 21:59.25 | sine | its like you demand and the os provides it serves you |
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| 21:59.40 | pipatron | sine: now try 'man find' and see if you love that too |
| 21:59.42 | maddash | undesktop: xev and slap the key |
| 21:59.45 | pipatron | or 'man dd' |
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| 21:59.52 | sine | disk duplicate |
| 21:59.56 | sine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.57 | maddash | data dump |
| 22:00.13 | maddash | diskwrite/read is only a subset of dd's capabilities |
| 22:00.28 | sine | cool |
| 22:00.48 | undesktop | maddash: I know... this was how I did setup all these multimedia keys... but nvm, I think I just have to restart the application which grabs the multimedia keys... |
| 22:00.51 | sine | how can i change my terminal winow to customise it or make it col |
| 22:00.52 | zicho | is there anyone here who is skilled in perl scripting? If so, please PM me so we dont get off topic. |
| 22:00.58 | sine | i mean black on white is cool but.. |
| 22:01.12 | sam1337 | When is the feature freeze, kernel freeze for lenny and will lenny come with compiz fusion? |
| 22:01.28 | pipatron | zicho: /join #perl maybe |
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| 22:02.00 | maddash | sine: read your .bashrc |
| 22:02.25 | undesktop | another thing: what reasons could there be that my keyboard's numlock led work, but the caps lock and scroll lock don't light up? I'm relatively sure it's a software problem |
| 22:02.42 | sine | /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 22:02.44 | sine | that one ? |
| 22:02.50 | maddash | undesktop: capslock is definitely a hardware problem. |
| 22:02.56 | jelly-home | meh |
| 22:02.58 | pipatron | sine: If you want to change the colours in the terminal, just point and click in the menus |
| 22:03.11 | maddash | sine: or `grep -i color ${HOME}/.bashrc` |
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| 22:03.23 | sine | well i was thinking more of the translucent windows you see in the screen shots of elite linux systems |
| 22:03.26 | maddash | pipatron: what menus? |
| 22:03.30 | cur4tor | hi guys. i need your help more than ever :). in last few weeks i tried to compile a lot of different kernels.. now it was time to boot my old kernel (2.6.14-k7-smp) but it doesnt boot any more. what can be left back from the other kernels that wont let my old kernel boot? ssh-> no bootinfo.... thank you all. |
| 22:03.36 | pipatron | maddash: look at his questions |
| 22:03.39 | maddash | sine: that's pseudo-transparency. |
| 22:03.43 | jelly-home | upgrading compiz metapackage doesn't pull in the newer versions of dependencies |
| 22:03.45 | dondelelcaro | well, in some cases |
| 22:03.54 | maddash | pipatron: what term is he using? |
| 22:04.08 | pipatron | maddash: obviously a graphical one |
| 22:04.18 | pipatron | maddash: with, you know, fancy borders and stuff |
| 22:04.23 | maddash | pipatron: so how can you be so damn sure that he even has a menu? |
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| 22:04.29 | pipatron | I'm not |
| 22:04.41 | maddash | pipatron: "fancy borders and stuff" is WM-related, not term-related |
| 22:04.46 | pipatron | maddash: Yeah |
| 22:04.48 | dondelelcaro | stew: btw, do you know if tritium support xinerama reasonably well? |
| 22:04.58 | pipatron | maddash: I know that, you know that, he doesn't know that |
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| 22:05.09 | ekim|irc | Hi |
| 22:05.09 | sine | are you talking about me |
| 22:05.12 | sine | roflcakes |
| 22:05.29 | maddash | sine: yes. .bashrc has a little segment on how to get color |
| 22:05.34 | sine | ok cool |
| 22:05.38 | sine | also one more thing |
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| 22:05.58 | sine | gnome and kde are both window managers right ? |
| 22:06.02 | sine | what is x then |
| 22:06.08 | dondelelcaro | X is X. |
| 22:06.11 | sine | they both sit on top of x so to speak |
| 22:06.15 | pipatron | X > W ;) |
| 22:06.17 | maddash | no, desktop environments. X11 is the graphical server. |
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| 22:06.35 | ekim|irc | I am running debian etch with 2.6.18-5-686 kernel in virtualbox http://virtualbox.org , and I keep getting this error |
| 22:06.43 | pipatron | sine: gnome and kde are like, 'desktop environments' |
| 22:06.51 | sine | ok cool |
| 22:07.06 | ekim|irc | "Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access hardware directly" |
| 22:07.07 | pipatron | sine: a window manager is actually another part |
| 22:07.10 | ekim|irc | Whats up with this ? |
| 22:07.13 | maddash | sine: assuming that you're using gnome with the defaults: Metacity is your paint job, gnome is your highway, and Xorg is your traffic signals. |
| 22:07.18 | ekim|irc | its not harmful...but really annoying |
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| 22:07.23 | ekim|irc | when I am un a text editor |
| 22:07.29 | ekim|irc | it will actually put that error into the editor |
| 22:07.37 | sine | well put |
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| 22:07.42 | maddash | sine: metacity, fyi, is the default wm for gnome. and it stinks. fyi. |
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| 22:07.55 | sine | thanks for breaking it down in fun size pieces for me |
| 22:08.01 | ekim|irc | that is his opinion. fyi. |
| 22:08.03 | pipatron | maddash: So what's the car? |
| 22:08.05 | ekim|irc | I think metacity is great |
| 22:08.11 | pipatron | maddash: You made a car analogy without the car... |
| 22:08.11 | undesktop | why does it stink? |
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| 22:08.19 | maddash | pipatron: i know. that's the beauty of it. |
| 22:08.23 | jeffwheeler | "You" are the car. |
| 22:08.24 | sine | well how do i get the cool looking ones im gonna google |
| 22:08.29 | ekim|irc | but seriously...my problem ? |
| 22:08.30 | maddash | ekim|irc: , undesktop: ps aux. |
| 22:08.35 | ekim|irc | k |
| 22:08.36 | ekim|irc | 1 sec |
| 22:08.41 | jetscreamer | there is no car |
| 22:08.52 | maddash | pipatron: heh |
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| 22:08.57 | ekim|irc | you want the list ? |
| 22:09.02 | undesktop | maddash: ? ps aux lists all processes, but what does it have to do with metacity? |
| 22:09.08 | ekim|irc | Nothing |
| 22:09.13 | ekim|irc | its another problem Im having |
| 22:09.17 | ekim|irc | scroll up |
| 22:09.25 | jetscreamer | shift+pgup |
| 22:09.31 | maddash | ekim|irc: no, `ps aux|grep metacity` is what's wrong with metacity |
| 22:09.39 | jetscreamer | until you alt+ out |
| 22:09.50 | ekim|irc | Pjj |
| 22:09.53 | ekim|irc | ram...right |
| 22:09.59 | ekim|irc | it does like that doesn't it |
| 22:10.00 | ekim|irc | anyhow |
| 22:10.06 | ekim|irc | do you know how to fix my other problem ? |
| 22:10.16 | ekim|irc | "Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access hardware directly" |
| 22:10.17 | undesktop | maddash: what WM then? |
| 22:10.27 | ekim|irc | I say screw both of them |
| 22:10.29 | ekim|irc | windowmaker ftw |
| 22:10.39 | undesktop | ekim|irc: what's your problem with that message? |
| 22:10.44 | pipatron | ctrl+alt+1 is your friend :( |
| 22:10.47 | ekim|irc | it wont stop popping up |
| 22:10.56 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 22:10.56 | dpkg | i heard printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
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| 22:11.04 | ekim|irc | Its really annoying |
| 22:11.06 | pipatron | err, F1 |
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| 22:11.30 | undesktop | ekim|irc: you could unload whatever module is responsible for that thing (sounds like serial ports?) |
| 22:11.32 | ekim|irc | it pops up every 5 seconds or so |
| 22:11.42 | ekim|irc | ahh |
| 22:11.48 | ekim|irc | I can just "Turn those off" in virtualbox |
| 22:12.02 | ekim|irc | also |
| 22:12.02 | pipatron | ... |
| 22:12.04 | undesktop | oh that kernel runs in Virtualbox? |
| 22:12.12 | ekim|irc | yeah...I said that before |
| 22:12.17 | pipatron | If everything was that easy |
| 22:12.19 | undesktop | maybe faulty hardware emulation |
| 22:12.25 | ekim|irc | it doesn't matter |
| 22:12.31 | maddash | undesktop: are you asking what WM I use? IceWM. 'nuff said. |
| 22:12.32 | ekim|irc | who needs serial ports now anyway ? |
| 22:12.37 | pipatron | I do |
| 22:12.44 | ekim|irc | not me |
| 22:12.49 | undesktop | maddash: I use IceWM too, but it's aging and also is SLOW |
| 22:12.50 | ekim|irc | anyhow...I just instaleld sudo |
| 22:12.57 | ekim|irc | How do Iadd my user to the sudoers file |
| 22:13.04 | ekim|irc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.08 | ekim|irc | what do I have to put in there |
| 22:13.17 | pipatron | text |
| 22:13.25 | ekim|irc | you know what I meat |
| 22:13.27 | pipatron | :) |
| 22:13.28 | undesktop | maddash: oh, and sometimes it really misbehaves; i.e. I can't run GIMP under IceWM, somehow it locks up |
| 22:13.29 | ekim|irc | meant |
| 22:13.36 | maddash | ekim|irc: geez. `su -c "visudo" ` |
| 22:13.47 | jelly | ekim|irc: that's keyboard, not serial port. Don't move your cursor in and out of vbox window, then it won't appear so much. |
| 22:13.57 | ekim|irc | ahhh.... |
| 22:14.01 | ekim|irc | thats the problem... |
| 22:14.12 | jetscreamer | i run gimp all the time |
| 22:14.13 | ekim|irc | Yeah |
| 22:14.18 | undesktop | jelly: vbox bug? |
| 22:14.18 | maddash | ekim|irc: geez. `su -c "echo >> [your name] ALL=(ALL) AL" ` |
| 22:14.18 | ekim|irc | every time I do that it happens |
| 22:14.19 | jetscreamer | and i run icewm |
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| 22:14.28 | ekim|irc | can I hide the error |
| 22:14.31 | ekim|irc | just because tis annoying |
| 22:14.34 | sine | how do you clean these laptop screens |
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| 22:14.41 | undesktop | jetscreamer: I don't know, but this problem doesn't happen under other WMs |
| 22:14.46 | sine | without dmgin it |
| 22:15.03 | pipatron | sine: That's not really a debian question ;) |
| 22:15.03 | jelly | undesktop: possibly |
| 22:15.19 | sine | lol but im here |
| 22:15.34 | sine | im part of this community now :d |
| 22:15.36 | jetscreamer | do you have only icewm-gnome, or do you also have icewm? there is a lib that doesn't get pulled in by the -gnome one |
| 22:15.45 | jelly | maddash: what happened to visudo? :-| |
| 22:15.46 | pipatron | apt-get install laptop-screen-utils |
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| 22:15.53 | sine | lol |
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| 22:16.03 | cheesenbac | http://helios.zombocube.com/debian.jpg |
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| 22:16.22 | jetscreamer | not sure if it would help, but i think it was something that sounded picturesque |
| 22:16.23 | pipatron | Hmm.. click the link or not... |
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| 22:16.44 | undesktop | jetscreamer: I think icewm-gnome-support is installed, but not used (just shows "IceWM 1.2.32")); how can I check? |
| 22:16.44 | ekim|irc | so...can I turn that error message off |
| 22:16.46 | sine | lol |
| 22:16.48 | ekim|irc | or at least hide it |
| 22:17.14 | undesktop | grep over the kernel source and comment out the printk *g* |
| 22:17.27 | ekim|irc | your joking me... |
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| 22:17.35 | ekim|irc | Then I would have to recompile the kernel... |
| 22:17.57 | ekim|irc | if I ever even found the line |
| 22:18.17 | ekim|irc | ther ehas got to be a better way |
| 22:18.22 | maddash | undesktop: it's horribly fast and compact. and about gimp: you mean, this? http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1975/200709211817211400x1050fn2.png |
| 22:18.32 | jelly | ekim|irc: you could hide all the kernel messages. look at the commented kenrel.printk line in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:18.32 | zicho | How can i make a shell script display the outputs of two commands on the same line? |
| 22:18.35 | pipatron | ekim|irc: nab jkigd |
| 22:18.36 | jetscreamer | undesktop: try apt-get install icewm icewm-gnome-support .. |
| 22:18.42 | pipatron | uhm |
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| 22:18.46 | pipatron | ekim|irc: man klogd |
| 22:18.51 | jelly | zicho: umm... paste? |
| 22:18.53 | maddash | jelly: well, I figured that a one-liner would be more useful since his Vbox is spewing crap into his editors. |
| 22:18.55 | pipatron | ekim|irc: My keyboard was out of alignment, sorry |
| 22:18.58 | zicho | If i want "cat aa && cat bb" to display "aabb" |
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| 22:19.03 | undesktop | jetscreamer: says both are already installed |
| 22:19.10 | jetscreamer | oh well |
| 22:19.33 | zicho | jelly: how do you mean? |
| 22:19.34 | maddash | geez. "gnome-support." |
| 22:19.40 | undesktop | maddash: sure... but is that screenshot really icewm? |
| 22:19.41 | jetscreamer | works here.... |
| 22:19.55 | ekim|irc | ok |
| 22:19.58 | jelly | zicho: I mean the command "paste" |
| 22:20.00 | undesktop | should I deinstall gnome-support? |
| 22:20.00 | ekim|irc | I uncommented that line jelly |
| 22:20.01 | maddash | undesktop: geezus fucking kryst. google "icebuntu icewm" |
| 22:20.08 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 22:20.11 | ekim|irc | do I have to reboot for it to take effect |
| 22:20.17 | jetscreamer | icebuntu? spare me |
| 22:20.27 | undesktop | oh... I made my own theme |
| 22:20.33 | undesktop | which looks like MS Windows |
| 22:20.34 | undesktop | haha |
| 22:20.38 | pipatron | ... |
| 22:20.38 | maddash | jetscreamer: hey, ubuntu is bloated, no doubt, but that doesn't mean it isn't pretty. |
| 22:20.46 | jetscreamer | undesktop: if you're getting a low memory error, try making the cache smaller? |
| 22:20.48 | ekim|irc | undesktop, SACRILIDGE I SAY!!! |
| 22:20.58 | jetscreamer | hey i use stuff from the human icons |
| 22:21.01 | pipatron | Interesting spelling |
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| 22:21.04 | ekim|irc | anyhow |
| 22:21.08 | ekim|irc | How do I get sudo working |
| 22:21.15 | ekim|irc | How do I add my account to the sudoers file ? |
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| 22:21.21 | undesktop | jetscreamer: "low memory"? no, it's just that IceWM doesn't react anymore and eats up 100% CPU; but no swapping activity |
| 22:21.28 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/sudoers properly and add yourself to the sudoers group |
| 22:21.28 | maddash | sacrilege? |
| 22:21.33 | jetscreamer | then log out and back in |
| 22:21.35 | ekim|irc | You know hat I meatn |
| 22:21.37 | jelly | ekim|irc: maddash told you that a couple lines above |
| 22:21.46 | ekim|irc | Ohh |
| 22:21.48 | ekim|irc | Lemme check |
| 22:22.02 | maddash | ekim|irc: it's that "su -c" thing. |
| 22:22.05 | jetscreamer | that was 2 seperate sudoish things to do, not just one |
| 22:22.12 | jelly | jetscreamer: no need for sudoers group |
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| 22:22.27 | jetscreamer | true |
| 22:22.28 | zicho | jelly: i do not understand how that fills my request... |
| 22:22.31 | otti_ | hi |
| 22:22.46 | jetscreamer | but i never bothered trying to figure out wtf i just add myself |
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| 22:22.58 | jetscreamer | but nobody else |
| 22:23.05 | undesktop | <jetscreamer> then log out and back in <- hm, was that to me? |
| 22:23.10 | jelly | zicho: output of each command into each own output file, then paste them |
| 22:23.15 | jetscreamer | if you're the sudo dude |
| 22:23.21 | undesktop | then not |
| 22:23.24 | zicho | jelly: how do i do that? |
| 22:23.39 | Sir_Sid | what is the name of the base kde package, the one without all the extras installed like open office |
| 22:23.42 | pipatron | Ok, this channel is getting too messy for me now, good night -> |
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| 22:24.07 | jetscreamer | i find reapplying the theme applies changes to icewm undesktop ... i forget how to restart it properly, but the theme seems to do the job |
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| 22:24.24 | jetscreamer | i prefer yamm |
| 22:24.34 | jetscreamer | but i made my own |
| 22:24.43 | jelly | zicho: man bash. search for REDIRECTION. Basically, some_command > some_file |
| 22:24.46 | zicho | jelly: nvm. |
| 22:24.55 | zicho | figured out how i can do it another way |
| 22:25.34 | jelly | zicho: bash faq has all sorts of tips for shell scripts |
| 22:25.42 | undesktop | jetscreamer: hm, I didn't get what you said about themes... it wasn't related to the GIMP problem I think |
| 22:25.51 | jelly | !bash faq |
| 22:25.51 | dpkg | bash faq is probably http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
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| 22:27.44 | jelly | ekim|irc: also, if you use X inside the wm you won't see the console messages :-) |
| 22:27.52 | jelly | vm* |
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| 22:28.53 | Rahsputin | I am making a wanted Poster :) but i cannot find a Western Writting font, where can i find such ? |
| 22:29.07 | broken | Got a quick question, how do I update my whole system, I've been running apt-get update but that isn't installing any updates or anything like that. |
| 22:29.20 | EznorbYar | if i have X, how do i get my cmd interface open? |
| 22:29.29 | maddash | broken: upgrade, not update |
| 22:29.31 | undesktop | ekim|irc: also, there's this loglevel thing: you can supress console messages based on their "log level", but I don't know anything about that |
| 22:29.40 | Rahsputin | apt-get upgrade or aptitude upgrade |
| 22:29.49 | jetscreamer | undesktop: is that etch or what, and have you ever apt-get dist-upgrade -ed yet? gimp+icewm work flawlessly for me on both lenny and sid, on 2 seperate boxes |
| 22:29.50 | broken | Oh and what is dist-upgrade then? |
| 22:29.50 | undesktop | EznorbYar: start xterm? |
| 22:29.50 | maddash | EznorbYar: you mean a tty? c+a+f{1-4} |
| 22:30.14 | undesktop | jetscreamer: I use debian unstable (always recent), and the problem persists for quite a while now |
| 22:30.33 | maddash | undesktop: why would you run unstable?? |
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| 22:30.47 | undesktop | jetscreamer: of course it's possible that that this problem is due to my configuration, but then I don't know why or what |
| 22:30.55 | jetscreamer | maddash: once you go sid you can never go back |
| 22:31.00 | undesktop | maddash: well, what would you run? |
| 22:31.05 | jetscreamer | everything else sucks |
| 22:31.09 | schemelab | Apache cant be installed via Debian 4.0 - http://rafb.net/p/5ioC8a35.html |
| 22:31.11 | jelly | s/sid/black/ |
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| 22:31.27 | jetscreamer | it's like you can never be a virgin again |
| 22:31.31 | maddash | jetscreamer: literally. CAN NEVER GO BACK. |
| 22:31.44 | undesktop | lol |
| 22:31.54 | jeffwheeler | I agree; going back to such old software is _boring_. |
| 22:31.56 | maddash | undesktop: I'm running testing. it keeps me close to the edge, but doesn't hurl me to the rock below. |
| 22:32.03 | maddash | undesktop: rocks* |
| 22:32.05 | jeffwheeler | It's stable "enough." |
| 22:32.10 | jetscreamer | maddash: well you can change sources to testing and just wait... it works |
| 22:32.18 | undesktop | maddash: some say the automatism in testing make it more "dangerous" than unstable |
| 22:32.20 | corpcomp | How can I find out what version of mod_perl I have installed on an etch server? |
| 22:32.34 | jetscreamer | i put testing on the laptop |
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| 22:32.44 | jetscreamer | but that was 'just in case' |
| 22:33.06 | jetscreamer | it's old and well supported though |
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| 22:33.27 | jetscreamer | non-nvidia :) |
| 22:33.50 | undesktop | it's just that if you have Debian Stable, you might not get new software so fast... which is silly if a new version solves bugs or some major drawbacks |
| 22:34.06 | maddash | undesktop: backports. |
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| 22:34.40 | undesktop | maddash: oh well... why not use unstable in the first place? it'd be ok, if backports were more official |
| 22:34.53 | undesktop | often there isn't even a backport etc. |
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| 22:40.20 | maddash | undesktop: because the rest of the packages in stable are actually more stable than sid. |
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| 22:41.11 | undesktop | maddash: that might be true... OTOH, how smooth are updates to new Debian releases if you already have installed dozens of backports? |
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| 22:44.04 | snot | I accidently rm'ed a folder containing all sorts of crap, from mp3's to porn movies, that I'd like to retrive. Can someone suggest a program for undeleting my files? |
| 22:44.15 | dondelelcaro | snot: depends on the filesystem you're using. |
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| 22:44.21 | dondelelcaro | !undelete |
| 22:44.21 | dpkg | it has been said that undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
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| 22:44.54 | snot | sorry, ext3 |
| 22:45.09 | snot | and sorry for me it seems |
| 22:45.17 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: undelete is <reply> see undeleting |
| 22:45.17 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 22:45.22 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, undelete is <reply> see undeleting |
| 22:45.22 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 22:45.57 | undesktop | why shouldn't undelete work with ext3? |
| 22:46.18 | snot | it's journalized |
| 22:46.19 | zicho | If i have a config file, and it says for example "A = B", i only want do display the B? But if i change the B to an A, it will display the A instead. |
| 22:46.26 | dondelelcaro | because it's a journaling filesystem and it's not clear exactly where the inodes have gone; feel free to write one if you want. |
| 22:46.30 | streuner_ | ist "undernet" dead? |
| 22:46.32 | undesktop | snot: sure, but has the same on disk format as ext2 |
| 22:46.36 | zicho | is that possible? |
| 22:46.37 | maddash | snot: in the future: ' echo "alias rm=\"mv -t ${HOME}/.trash \$@\"" >> .bashrc && mkdir -p ${HOME}/.trash ' |
| 22:46.54 | dondelelcaro | maddash: actually, you're better off just prelinking libtrash |
| 22:47.01 | dondelelcaro | s/prelink/preload/ |
| 22:47.18 | undesktop | maddash: haha, but that's quite dirty |
| 22:47.18 | maddash | dondelelcaro: aw, geez, yet ANOTHER package? |
| 22:47.32 | undesktop | maddash: should be in the kernel IMHO |
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| 22:47.46 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it's just a small library that overrides unlink |
| 22:47.51 | streuner_ | maddash: another gentoo issue? |
| 22:47.52 | snot | maddash: I wanted something like that ages ago... but in this case it's more then 200gigs... so that wouldn't be ideal |
| 22:48.23 | maddash | dondelelcaro: hm. I just manned unlink. how's rm different from unlink? |
| 22:48.24 | flyinprogramer | ok, so i've got a basic debain installation done, and i have 2 partitions on two seperate disks that i want mounted as 1 directory, /home/, can it be done ? |
| 22:48.35 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 22:48.38 | maddash | streuner_: kind of. |
| 22:48.51 | streuner_ | dpkg, gentoosmite maddash |
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| 22:49.11 | dondelelcaro | maddash: unlink is the actual system call |
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| 22:49.23 | flyinprogramer | jetscreamer, how ? |
| 22:49.31 | dondelelcaro | maddash: rm calls unlink |
| 22:49.48 | dondelelcaro | maddash: man 2 unlink; for details |
| 22:49.52 | maddash | dondelelcaro: so what if I "alias rm='unlink $@' "? |
| 22:49.53 | jetscreamer | !lvm |
| 22:49.53 | dpkg | hmm... lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 22:50.02 | undesktop | IMHO the filesystem should preserve the most recently deleted files and only delete them "actually" if there's no free space left for new files |
| 22:50.19 | snot | I'm quite surprised that there isnt a "standard" app for handling this kind of situation |
| 22:50.24 | maddash | dondelelcaro: no such manpage :( |
| 22:50.30 | jetscreamer | undesktop: make it so. |
| 22:50.40 | jetscreamer | engage warp drive! |
| 22:50.43 | streuner_ | !installit |
| 22:50.43 | dondelelcaro | maddash: that's the unlink command, *not* the unlink() system call in libc6. |
| 22:50.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 22:50.48 | Nyle | jetscreamer: gravity drive |
| 22:50.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: open a portal to hell |
| 22:50.55 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 22:51.03 | undesktop | jetscreamer: except for allocating new blocks it'd be a trivial hack if you're experienced, I guess |
| 22:51.22 | dondelelcaro | maddash: the library overrides the unlink (and unlinkat and rename and renameat) system calls so it works for everything, not just the command line. |
| 22:51.42 | maddash | dondelelcaro: neat |
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| 22:52.39 | dondelelcaro | (it still doesn't save you from truncating your files of course, but...) |
| 22:52.55 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: maddash is one who believe that gentoo is the ultimative distro... |
| 22:53.05 | maddash | 'truncating'? it'd be just like windows, right? |
| 22:53.13 | streuner_ | you wasting your time |
| 22:53.16 | maddash | streuner_: actually, I don't |
| 22:53.23 | undesktop | but if you delete files from a mountpoint unlike your home dir, it has to move files, I guess |
| 22:53.45 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:53.56 | dondelelcaro | sure; I'm actually not sure where it sticks the files, having never bothered to use it myself |
| 22:54.14 | maddash | streuner_: debian, plus a few healthy options to allow a recompile (THAT ACTUALLY WORK [*finger Julien Danjou*]) is the ultimate distro.) |
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| 22:55.31 | maddash | wooooooooo libtrash! messy alias, begone! |
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| 22:56.22 | undesktop | messy preload, come |
| 22:56.36 | jetscreamer | messy period |
| 22:57.28 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
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| 22:57.54 | undesktop | 770 other people say "hello contrast83!" |
| 22:57.59 | contrast83 | I've got a binary, a .desktop file and an icon for a program which I want to put into a checkinstall package. Could someone point me in the direction where I could find out how to set up a makefile that'll allow me to do this? |
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| 23:00.32 | nvz | undesktop: usually an undelete feature is a per-filesystem entity.. I.e. each filesystem mounted has its own undelete settings.. percentage of FS to use, location on fs to keep files.. etc |
| 23:00.43 | nvz | undesktop: though like dondelelcaro, I've never used this particular one |
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| 23:02.41 | kittonian | hi all. for the past few months I've been getting sporadic kernel panics that freeze the server. they are completely random and one moment all is fine and the next it's frozen. how can I figure out what's going on? |
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| 23:03.35 | troubled | kittonian: mem test |
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| 23:04.17 | troubled | kittonian: may not be the cause, but its a good starting point |
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| 23:07.16 | protoloco | how can i make.. a file like that.. -rwsr-x--- 1 root root 23260 Aug 22 12:33 /bin/su.. With the 's' permission.. |
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| 23:07.32 | kittonian | troubled, i typed mem test and it said mem is not a known command |
| 23:07.38 | asg | protoloco: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 23:07.40 | troubled | kittonian: heh |
| 23:07.44 | troubled | !memtest |
| 23:07.44 | dpkg | [memtest] http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package |
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| 23:08.03 | kittonian | k |
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| 23:10.04 | abrotman | !tell Bbit about root |
| 23:10.12 | ameyer | that sounds a bit threatening... |
| 23:10.18 | ameyer | "cpuburn" |
| 23:10.20 | Nihill | how would I go about using dual core? |
| 23:10.28 | Nyle | buy a dual core cpu |
| 23:10.32 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:10.39 | Nihill | I have one I intend to fit |
| 23:10.48 | Nyle | so do it |
| 23:10.49 | ameyer | it should "just work" |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | ameyer: i killed a machine with it |
| 23:10.57 | Nyle | all latest debian kernels are smp enabled |
| 23:10.58 | Nyle | !smp |
| 23:10.59 | dpkg | well, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 23:11.04 | ameyer | at least for a recent version of the kernel |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | Nihill: etch kernels are SMP |
| 23:11.25 | Nyle | 2.6.18-4 or 5 is in etch and yes it is smp enabled |
| 23:11.52 | ameyer | were all sarge kernels smp? |
| 23:12.01 | Nyle | not sure |
| 23:12.12 | abrotman | no |
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| 23:12.40 | ameyer | I know there was a large amount of overhead related to SMP at one point |
| 23:13.07 | Nihill | so as soon as I drop in my x2 tomorrow debian will realise it has two cores to play with? |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:13.27 | ameyer | well, it should |
| 23:13.36 | Nihill | good enough for me thanks abrotman! |
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| 23:17.43 | frankr | How can I make adobe flash player for linux use a different sound card? |
| 23:18.16 | Nyle | i think it uses the alsa oss wrapper |
| 23:18.36 | Nyle | you have to select your soundcard through alsa i think |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | probably the asound.rc |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | just a guess |
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| 23:19.11 | frankr | abrotman: where would I find asound.rc |
| 23:19.48 | abrotman | probably have to make it .. read the man page ..and i'm just guessing .. might want to get a better answer from #alsa |
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| 23:21.50 | sine | wine has crashed running some windows program which is fine, how do i kill the process as the terminal window has not returned control to me |
| 23:22.14 | Nyle | pkill wine? |
| 23:22.41 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c maybe ? |
| 23:22.55 | sine | tried that |
| 23:22.58 | sine | pkill works thanks |
| 23:23.06 | abrotman | uhm ok |
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| 23:23.24 | qrck | are there any caveats with which kernel-header is symlinked at the time building a kernel and updating an initramfs or initrd image ?? |
| 23:23.25 | abrotman | !tell Bluebit about root |
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| 23:23.31 | abrotman | Bluebit: you can't speak in here as root .. stop tryinh |
| 23:23.33 | sine | how effing cool is that ! aptget wine then run wine with some program and it works i mean its just amazing |
| 23:23.42 | Nyle | sine: isn't it just |
| 23:24.38 | sine | its like in windows you are made to feel alienated from the whole thing but with linux you are part of it all |
| 23:24.40 | jetscreamer | it took me two years to install wine, and i have yet to use it |
| 23:25.06 | abrotman | sine: but then it crashes and you can't get your terminal back ? :) |
| 23:25.21 | sine | yes but thats because im just fucking about with the win window and the program |
| 23:25.41 | sine | the fact that it can run flashfxp connect and download with it |
| 23:26.32 | sine | i know i keep going on about it but its fun fun all the way |
| 23:26.37 | sine | if your a nerd like me that is |
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| 23:27.16 | sine | !tell sine about root |
| 23:27.23 | abrotman | !tell sine about selftell |
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| 23:27.28 | kittonian | troubled, would it be possible that a bad portion of the hard disk is causing the kernel panics? |
| 23:27.37 | sine | lol |
| 23:27.52 | sine | i was just testing |
| 23:27.55 | kittonian | the reason i ask is i just went into single user mode and remounted each drive ro and ran fsck |
| 23:28.10 | mooper | uhm, with vmware server, can I move the guest to another instance of vmware on another machine? |
| 23:28.13 | kittonian | when i got to the third drive in the middle of fsck running, i got the kernel panic |
| 23:28.25 | abrotman | mooper: ask #vmware |
| 23:28.46 | abrotman | kittonian: bad hardware makes anything possible :) |
| 23:29.00 | mooper | abrotman, I did, no one home |
| 23:29.17 | abrotman | mooper: then wait for them to answre |
| 23:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a "guest" :) |
| 23:30.33 | Nyle | hey |
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| 23:30.37 | Nyle | where is the 'any' key |
| 23:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mooper: but it's definitely possible to move a virtual system from one machine to another... it must be, as there exist ready-made debian etc. systems i.e. complete virtual disks for vmware |
| 23:32.14 | Nyle | dude |
| 23:32.25 | mooper | CutMeOwnThroat, exactly. I think its a case of finding what to google for |
| 23:32.29 | Nyle | vmplayer + debian |
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| 23:33.56 | sine | where can i get a little debian sticker like the one on my laptop for vista |
| 23:33.58 | sine | :D |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | cafepress maybe ? |
| 23:34.30 | Wyzard | mooper: If the VM is shut down or paused, yes, you can move it |
| 23:34.50 | sine | why does the harddrive in my laptop make a little click every 2 seconds |
| 23:34.57 | Wyzard | mooper: There's an add-on for VMware ESX Server (the expensive high-end one) that allows live migration, i.e. while the VM is running and actively doing stuff |
| 23:34.58 | sine | crunch click |
| 23:35.21 | sine | ok im being stupid now |
| 23:35.26 | sine | think its time for bed |
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| 23:35.53 | mooper | Wyzard, ah nay, live migration not needed. |
| 23:36.16 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:36.17 | Wyzard | mooper: Keep in mind that VMware doesn't virtualize the processor, so if you move to a machine with a different type of processor (i.e. Intel vs. AMD) you should make sure that you're not using software that depends on the old processor type |
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| 23:36.51 | Wyzard | mooper: That's especially true if the VM is paused, since running apps might have checked the processor type and selected processor-specific optimized code to use |
| 23:37.10 | sixty6billy | hi, having trouble with java/iceweasel. followed instructions at java.com and the firefox(iceweasel) plugins site. after install, there is no 'missing plugins' message, but no java functionality |
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| 23:37.31 | mooper | Wyzard, no its the same computer, just want to be able to move between 64bit and 32bit base os and still be able to float windows on the top |
| 23:37.32 | maddash | sixty6billy: `sun-java*-plugin` |
| 23:37.34 | Wyzard | sixty6billy: Use the Debian packages, not Sun's installer script |
| 23:37.56 | Nyle | sixty6billy: you need to add contrib non-free and type aptitude install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
| 23:38.01 | sixty6billy | oh, i thought the deb package was out of date |
| 23:38.04 | Wyzard | mooper: That's fine |
| 23:38.16 | Wyzard | mooper: (assuming you're not running 64-bit Windows and moving to a 32-bit processor, of course) |
| 23:38.42 | Nyle | I don't know which depends on which, but those 3 should be all you need to have java applets etc |
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| 23:39.00 | mooper | Wyzard, nah, do you know what files do I need to move? |
| 23:39.28 | contrast83 | I've got a binary, a .desktop file and an icon for a program which I want to put into a checkinstall package. Could someone point me in the direction where I could find out how to set up a makefile that'll allow me to do this? |
| 23:39.30 | Nyle | sixty6billy: if you are on amd64 forget about java browser plugin. none exist, either run a 32bit chroot or use ia32libs |
| 23:39.35 | Wyzard | mooper: the whole directory containing the virtual machine (i.e. subdirectory of ~/vmware, if you keep your VMs in the default place) |
| 23:39.40 | sixty6billy | Myle: so 'deb http://.............../ etch main non free ? |
| 23:39.47 | Nyle | !non-free |
| 23:39.47 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:39.48 | abrotman | sixty6billy: no |
| 23:40.04 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 23:40.05 | sixty6billy | Myle: p4 |
| 23:40.11 | mooper | Wyzard, okay, Ill try :-) thanks |
| 23:40.25 | Wyzard | sixty6billy: looks like etch has Java 5 but not Java 6... if you need Java 6, there's probably a backport of it at backports.org |
| 23:40.34 | Nyle | deb http://.../ etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:40.50 | Wyzard | sixty6billy: but most things don't depend on Java 6 |
| 23:41.07 | sixty6billy | Myzard: iceweasel included? |
| 23:41.12 | Nyle | yes |
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| 23:41.17 | Nyle | whats with the M |
| 23:41.27 | Wyzard | iceweasel doesn't depend on Java anything... it just loads whatever plugin you install |
| 23:41.40 | Wyzard | The sun-java5-plugin should work fine |
| 23:42.05 | Wyzard | testing/unstable has Java 6 btw |
| 23:42.15 | sixty6billy | Wzard |
| 23:42.40 | Wyzard | sixty6billy: Most IRC clients have tab completion... you can probably just type "wy<tab>" |
| 23:42.43 | sixty6billy | Wyzard: new enough to debian/linux, no windows to fall back, keeping it simple! |
| 23:42.46 | jetscreamer | Nyle: bblrb |
| 23:42.58 | Nyle | what? |
| 23:43.03 | sixty6billy | sound |
| 23:43.35 | Nyle | sound? |
| 23:43.38 | abrotman | wy<tab> .. doesn't work |
| 23:43.54 | Wyzard | really? |
| 23:44.01 | abrotman | wy<tab> |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | nope .. nothing |
| 23:44.10 | Wyzard | bah, you know what I mean :-P |
| 23:44.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:45.25 | maddash | Wyzard: |
| 23:45.34 | maddash | works. |
| 23:46.20 | simonrvn | hey |
| 23:46.25 | Wyzard | hmm, the GNOME icons seem to have changed recently... the lock overlay for read-only files looks different now |
| 23:46.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: did .20 start trickling into sid ? |
| 23:46.57 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 23:47.06 | Wyzard | The Clearlooks theme got updated too |
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| 23:47.33 | Nihill | What is testing like? |
| 23:47.41 | Wyzard | I'm not sure if I like the new gradient on the tabs, but it's not too bad |
| 23:48.09 | Wyzard | Nihill: Newer stuff, but it breaks occasionally and there are no timely security updates like stable gets |
| 23:48.32 | Nihill | so best not to touch with a barge pole |
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| 23:48.46 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yeh. all svg IIRC now, and they re-did them |
| 23:48.48 | Wyzard | not unless you know wha tyou're doing |
| 23:48.54 | Nihill | ahh ok |
| 23:49.02 | Wyzard | hmm, the audio icon has changed too... now it's a big eighth note |
| 23:49.04 | Wyzard | not bad |
| 23:49.34 | qrck | why are the images created with mkinitramfs smaller than mkinitrd ? |
| 23:49.59 | Wyzard | qrck: probably doesn't include as many unnecessary modules... but mkinitrd is obsolete anyway, and doesn't work with recent kernels |
| 23:50.15 | qrck | yes i notice exactly that |
| 23:50.32 | Wyzard | It depends on devfs, and that was removed from the kernel in (IIRC) .12 or so |
| 23:50.36 | qrck | but somehow default is set to mkinitrd i see |
| 23:50.50 | Wyzard | Where do you see that? |
| 23:51.06 | qrck | when i install a new kernel it starts mkinitrd... |
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| 23:51.14 | qrck | not mkinitramfs |
| 23:51.16 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 23:51.23 | Wyzard | It should be running mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 23:51.39 | Wyzard | It does a sort of autodetection for kernel versions that's supposed to choose the right tool |
| 23:51.52 | Wyzard | but it'd be a good idea to just uninstall mkinitrd if you still have it, since it's useless now |
| 23:52.02 | qrck | ok |
| 23:52.23 | qrck | you mean mkinitrd is just good for 2.2 and 2.4 kernels ? |
| 23:52.41 | Wyzard | and early 2.6 kernels |
| 23:52.50 | qrck | early as 2.6.18 ? |
| 23:52.57 | Wyzard | and probably not 2.2 kernels -- I don't think those supported initrds at all |
| 23:53.03 | qrck | ah ok |
| 23:53.09 | Wyzard | 2.6.18 won't work with mkinitrd |
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| 23:53.32 | qrck | so i can safely remove mkinitrd then... |
| 23:53.39 | Wyzard | If you're running etch, yes |
| 23:54.04 | qrck | i don't run anything older than etch |
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| 23:54.42 | Wyzard | As for why it's running mkinitrd in the first place, make sure you don't have it configured to do so in /etc/kernel-img.conf -- I think it's possible to set an option in that file which overrides the normal version detection |
| 23:55.12 | qrck | mkimage variable yes i read on that but i didn't set it to anythin else |
| 23:55.20 | Wyzard | dunno then |
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| 23:57.01 | qrck | and how about the kernel-headers that ly around in /usr/src ? will it be auto determined to which it gets linked to building a kernel or do i have to have the right one symlinked ? |
| 23:57.14 | qrck | at build time ? |
| 23:57.27 | qrck | or symlink always the latest ? |
| 23:57.30 | qrck | err |
| 23:57.42 | Wyzard | /lib/modules/${version}/build is a symlink to the appropriate headers directory for that version |
| 23:58.06 | Wyzard | It's provided by the linux-headers packages |
| 23:58.11 | qrck | oh so i don't have to set it manually |
| 23:58.18 | Wyzard | tools that build modules will look for that by default |
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| 23:58.30 | Wyzard | /usr/src/linux isn't used, and doesn't need to even exist |
| 23:58.41 | Wyzard | (though some things will try /usr/src/linux as a fallback if the build symlink is missing) |
| 23:58.48 | schemelab | if ctype.h is not found, what debian package would I install? |
| 23:58.59 | qrck | libc6 ? |
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| 23:59.00 | peppe | qrck: there isn't a "global" symlink for the latest one, it doesn't have sens |
| 23:59.03 | peppe | schemelab: libc6-dev |
| 23:59.09 | schemelab | ah thanks! |
| 23:59.15 | Wyzard | schemelab: libc6-dev, build-essential is a metapackage that includes that plus some other useful stuff |
| 23:59.21 | abrotman | !tell schemelab about search |
| 23:59.22 | geo-rge | schemelab: something-dev |
| 23:59.31 | Wyzard | schemelab: Install build-essential on any machine where you want to compile stuff |
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| 23:59.56 | schemelab | cool. new Debian would pull me through |
| 23:59.59 | Wyzard | qrck: Library packages don't contain headers, their corresponding -dev packages do |
