| 00:00.01 | abrotman | knew ? |
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| 00:00.06 | sixty6billy | hi. problems with contrib / non-free. sources.list includes deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free, but getting stat (no such...) |
| 00:00.11 | schemelab | yes |
| 00:00.11 | schemelab | s/new/knew |
| 00:00.12 | qrck | sorry |
| 00:00.17 | Wyzard | qrck: and any system that doesn't have libc6 installed already has much bigger problems than a lack of ctype.h :-) |
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| 00:00.40 | qrck | lol |
| 00:00.42 | abrotman | and you can't figure out which package you need ? |
| 00:00.51 | Solet | if i'm running a dns server and my external firewall on the same machine. will an incoming request go through the dns server before teh firewall? or the firewall before the dns server? |
| 00:00.53 | geo-rge | schemelab: generally the toolchain as maintained by debian is very stable even on the unstable debian... otherwise what would they compile with? :) |
| 00:01.04 | Wyzard | sixty6billy: Maybe that mirror doesn't carry contrib and non-free... some don't |
| 00:01.16 | abrotman | sixty6billy: apt-get update && aptitude update |
| 00:01.31 | Wyzard | oh, nm, I see what error you mean -- abrotman is right |
| 00:01.59 | sixty6billy | abrotman: getting no results with sun-java*-bin. looking at using fakeroot and java-package, but can't currentlyy get them either... i'll update apt repos |
| 00:02.10 | abrotman | sixty6billy: apt-cache search jre |
| 00:02.21 | Wyzard | sixty6billy: You always have to update after adding sources -- that's what downloads the new list of available packages |
| 00:02.23 | geo-rge | schemelab: now you're playing with scheme? |
| 00:02.39 | schemelab | geo-rge: playing hard - implementing open source J interpreter |
| 00:02.48 | SirHerik | Hello |
| 00:02.50 | schemelab | geo-rge: http://redick.metaperl.com |
| 00:03.00 | geo-rge | what's J |
| 00:03.06 | SirHerik | Is there a way that I can reinstall linux in linux without using a cd? |
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| 00:03.18 | yassine | anyone here using vlc ? |
| 00:03.18 | abrotman | !tell SirHerik about debootstrap |
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| 00:03.33 | mooper | yassine maybe |
| 00:03.36 | h3sp4wn | SirHerik: If you have a spare partition its ok |
| 00:03.50 | jmd | Is Debian intending to relicense its GPLv2 only components? |
| 00:04.05 | yassine | mooper, i'm trying to install it on my lenny system and i have a broken dependency |
| 00:04.17 | abrotman | vlc isn't in testing |
| 00:04.18 | geo-rge | jmd: for what purpose |
| 00:04.32 | yassine | abrotman, testing == sid? |
| 00:04.33 | peppe | sixty6billy: actually that mirror containts contrib and non-free sections |
| 00:04.38 | abrotman | yassine: no |
| 00:04.43 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 00:04.44 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 00:04.57 | jmd | geo-rge, Well, so that they can be linked with GPLv3 packages, amoungst other reasons. |
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| 00:05.09 | sixty6billy | abrotman: that was it. cheers. kinda disappointed though, hoped there was more to it. might just .deb-ise the bin from sun anyway, sure why not |
| 00:05.19 | geo-rge | jmd: that would be up to the authors |
| 00:05.30 | SirHerik | Is there a way that I can reinstall linux in linux without using a cd? |
| 00:05.35 | abrotman | !tell SirHerik about debootstrap |
| 00:05.40 | geo-rge | debian cannot relicense stuff it doesn't have the copyright to |
| 00:06.12 | yassine | abrotman, thanks for the info but the vlc guys claims everything is in the testing : http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 00:06.13 | sixty6billy | peppe: apt didn';t seem to think so, so unless this deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-fre is badly formed / incorrect, i dunno..? |
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| 00:06.24 | yassine | abrotman, that was what confused me |
| 00:06.35 | jmd | geo-rge, Yes, I know that. But Debian has policies and a forum for reaching a conscencous on these issues? |
| 00:06.42 | Daveman | stupid desktop res |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | yassine: so he's wrong .. |
| 00:06.58 | yassine | abrotman, maybe i did not get what they mean there |
| 00:07.07 | peppe | sixty6billy: paste your sources.list file and the output of an apt-get update run |
| 00:07.12 | SirHerik | damn |
| 00:07.16 | SirHerik | i need your help people |
| 00:07.24 | yassine | but as far i understood they claim its in the testing |
| 00:07.31 | geo-rge | do we have help persons? |
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| 00:07.37 | abrotman | SirHerik: i already told you |
| 00:07.57 | SirHerik | no you didn't |
| 00:08.10 | abrotman | yes .. i had the bot tell you about debootstrap |
| 00:08.17 | SirHerik | really? |
| 00:08.21 | abrotman | !tell SirHerik about debootstrap |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | and again! |
| 00:08.38 | geo-rge | now you're going to have to learn the details of debbootstrap |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | SirHerik: you can also use a floppy drive :) |
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| 00:08.52 | yassine | abrotman, are you aware of some other similar package (functionality) i could use instead of VLC ? |
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| 00:08.57 | SirHerik | whats a floppy drive? |
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| 00:09.01 | SirHerik | a disquete? |
| 00:09.05 | abrotman | yassine: totem? |
| 00:09.08 | abrotman | yassine: xine ? |
| 00:09.40 | yassine | abrotman, these are all for recieving a stream not for broadcasting it afaik |
| 00:09.43 | SirHerik | !tell abrotman to tell me how to compile debootstrap |
| 00:09.50 | peppe | yassine: xine, mplayer, totem, kaffeine... |
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| 00:10.07 | abrotman | yassine: well .. maybe you should specify that |
| 00:10.19 | geo-rge | SirHerik: nonono, he doesn't and shouldn't have to... you are not broken... you can read |
| 00:10.33 | geo-rge | but he can if he wants to |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | i won't |
| 00:10.41 | yassine | peppe, abrotman sorry i was behind the broadcasting functionality of VLC |
| 00:10.47 | abrotman | icecast maybe? NFC |
| 00:10.54 | S[o]let | why when i try to do ifconfig as a regular user i get "command not found" but it works fine as root |
| 00:10.57 | peppe | icecast just broadcasts audio |
| 00:11.03 | abrotman | S[o]let: /sbin/ is not in your path |
| 00:11.07 | peppe | yassine: hm, yes, *that* feature is missing from pratically everything (excluding vnc, of course) |
| 00:11.08 | SirHerik | well |
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| 00:11.18 | SirHerik | packages.debian.org doesn't load |
| 00:11.38 | peppe | SirHerik: why do you have to compile debootstrap? |
| 00:11.40 | peppe | just install it |
| 00:11.53 | geo-rge | SirHerik: actually it loads fine |
| 00:12.05 | SirHerik | it says I have to compile it |
| 00:12.05 | yassine | peppe, i m only trying to set my home network so it not that bad if its not that 100% working |
| 00:12.12 | abrotman | SirHerik: are you already using debian ? |
| 00:12.18 | SirHerik | yes |
| 00:12.20 | geo-rge | SirHerik: are you running debian right now? |
| 00:12.33 | SirHerik | yes |
| 00:12.37 | geo-rge | ok, it's available as a prebuilt package |
| 00:12.45 | SirHerik | strange |
| 00:12.48 | SirHerik | I cannot enter that page |
| 00:12.56 | geo-rge | you should be able to apt-get install debootstrap |
| 00:12.59 | mas187 | I really like xfce :> |
| 00:14.07 | irule | hi, how can I run baculas configuration script that runs after installing the mydwl version? at the time I did not have mysql running and after it was ther and I tried reinstalling, the configuration script for debian did not run :s |
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| 00:14.25 | mas187 | can anyone recommend a lightweight torrent client for debian? it has to have a gui though |
| 00:14.46 | geo-rge | bitornado? |
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| 00:15.01 | geo-rge | dunno if its 2 ts or not |
| 00:15.03 | jmd | mas187, Aren't those two requirements mutually exclusive? |
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| 00:15.31 | geo-rge | lightweight but gooey |
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| 00:19.19 | garo | Can a wrong X configuration damage a modern LCD-screen ? |
| 00:19.34 | jmd | garo, I would doubt it. |
| 00:19.46 | geo-rge | probably couldn't set it on fire... |
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| 00:20.11 | jmd | garo, Unless of course it made the user so enraged that he punched it. |
| 00:20.16 | bbbprp | I have two devices, ppp0 (my connection to the outside world) and eth0 (internal lan). I want computers that are internal to be able to communicate out, but as soon as I do 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' my ppp links starts failing every 30 seconds and needs to reconnect (for that period internal computers can route data to the outside and receive data back). I can't figure out how to keep the ppp connection from failing. |
| 00:20.16 | bbbprp | Any ideas? |
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| 00:22.43 | bbbprp | btw, as soon as I do 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' my ppp connection becomes stable again |
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| 00:30.15 | geo-rge | bbbprp: just as a site point... there are debian packages that handle those things for at least a few applications for you |
| 00:30.43 | abrotman | ipmasq is a decent one |
| 00:30.59 | geo-rge | like a masq router, is as easy as configure your interfaces and install the package abrotman said |
| 00:31.30 | geo-rge | it'll also do things like recalculate itself on certain events |
| 00:32.03 | geo-rge | which is needed for example when your isp's dhcp server decides to hand yuou a new IP |
| 00:33.50 | bbbprp | geo-rge: that sounds helpful, but somewhere isn't it going to enable forwarding (similar to how I have above) and I'm going to start getting the disconnects again? |
| 00:34.19 | geo-rge | well |
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| 00:34.53 | geo-rge | not sure about this part... but maybe you don't need any of that? I wasn't quite sure what you were trying to accomplish |
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| 00:36.40 | bbbprp | geo-rge: when I do that hosts connected to my ethernet card are able to connect to the outside world (however brief) |
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| 00:37.12 | geo-rge | so |
| 00:37.15 | bbbprp | but if ipmasq will make it easy to set up a more robust router I'll check it out |
| 00:37.19 | geo-rge | you have two eth cards? |
| 00:37.22 | bbbprp | yeah |
| 00:37.39 | bbbprp | I have ppp0 (outside world via evdo) and eth0 (internal) |
| 00:37.39 | geo-rge | and one is for inside and the other for outside? |
| 00:37.43 | bbbprp | right |
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| 00:38.16 | geo-rge | which interface is routed thru for outside connections? |
| 00:38.22 | geo-rge | or, |
| 00:38.34 | geo-rge | which one has the default route thru a gateway |
| 00:38.47 | bbbprp | ppp0 |
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| 00:39.05 | geo-rge | ok, so I guess you would install ipmasq |
| 00:39.20 | bbbprp | I'll give that a try |
| 00:39.21 | bbbprp | thanks |
| 00:39.25 | geo-rge | and tell it ppp0 is the outside interface (but it should figure it out |
| 00:39.40 | geo-rge | ) |
| 00:40.28 | bbbprp | I see it even has empty rules for when pppd bring the link up |
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| 00:40.55 | abrotman | holy god he's dumb |
| 00:41.14 | wols | calling god dumb is blasphemy... |
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| 00:45.00 | geo-rge | goddumbit! |
| 00:45.36 | geo-rge | oh wait that's bush's job |
| 00:46.31 | beered | I'm newbie. Have a script that validates if field has alpha charachters entered (e.g. [a-zA-Z]) I need to change it so that it validates number range 6-12. I tried [6-12] but that didn't work. Any suggestions? |
| 00:47.01 | abrotman | tried #bash ? |
| 00:47.16 | beered | oh sorry. I thought I was in java. :) |
| 00:47.21 | iguanna | is right if i say: the version lastest of testing version debian is 2.6.21-8? |
| 00:47.21 | abrotman | uhm .. nope |
| 00:47.32 | abrotman | iguanna: that's the latest kernel in testing |
| 00:47.49 | iguanna | so, it's ok. |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | though i only have -6 |
| 00:47.59 | iguanna | ok |
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| 00:50.28 | iguanna | because in a chat somebody tell me that he has the 2.6.21-5 and this version of his distri is more new than in debian testing. |
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| 00:51.03 | Wyzard | iguanna: What distro was he referring to? |
| 00:51.23 | Wyzard | iguanna: and keep in mind that testing changes regularly |
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| 00:52.31 | karsten | CD Burning, bug: wodim: OPC failed. |
| 00:52.35 | iguanna | a distri based on debian its nameis gnulinex (www.linex.org), yes i know and today testing is 2.6.21.8 |
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| 00:53.37 | iguanna | more than 2.6.21-8 |
| 00:53.53 | Wyzard | 2.6.21-8 is not the same thing as 2.6.21.8 |
| 00:54.00 | abrotman | different numbering scheme |
| 00:54.03 | iguanna | sorry, i mean 2.6.21-5 |
| 00:54.10 | geo-rge | iguanna: maybe the -8 there doesn't mean the same as the -8 in debian |
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| 00:54.14 | abrotman | iguanna: honestly .. it's not worth arguing about |
| 00:54.58 | geo-rge | if it's based on debian then the -number means "how many times a new version uploaded" |
| 00:55.06 | abrotman | not quite |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | but it's still not worth arguing about |
| 00:55.21 | geo-rge | close enought tho to make the point |
| 00:55.24 | iguanna | in this case, yes. |
| 00:55.32 | iguanna | i know it |
| 00:56.16 | geo-rge | iguanna: in many cases of "debian" versus "something else based on debian" |
| 00:57.04 | geo-rge | it could be they are the same kernels, IF the kernels are taken directly from debian to be included in whatever dist this is |
| 00:58.51 | iguanna | ok |
| 00:59.08 | geo-rge | but that's probably an unusual case... |
| 00:59.38 | geo-rge | if it is the case, that would make it easier |
| 00:59.45 | karsten | Anyone know if that's a HW error or wodim config error (above) |
| 00:59.56 | Wyzard | Georgy32: not quite... the -8 is the ABI revision; it only changes when an update is made that breaks compatibility with compiled modules |
| 01:00.07 | Wyzard | oops, geo-rge ^^^ |
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| 01:00.36 | plukazz | hello |
| 01:00.41 | plukazz | only a question |
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| 01:00.52 | Guerin | that's not one |
| 01:00.56 | plukazz | where can i download pngtousplash from? |
| 01:00.57 | geo-rge | plukazz: /msg dpkg ask |
| 01:01.18 | plukazz | ??? |
| 01:01.20 | Guerin | from the internets |
| 01:01.46 | Wyzard | Guerin: A search on package contents on http://packages.debian.org/ doesn't turn up any packages containing a file called "pngtosplash" |
| 01:02.01 | Guerin | Wyzard: i'm not sure why you're telling me this |
| 01:02.06 | Wyzard | oops |
| 01:02.11 | Guerin | :) |
| 01:02.12 | plukazz | yes, thats right |
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| 01:02.19 | Wyzard | plukazz: Maybe it isn't packaged |
| 01:02.33 | Wyzard | Guerin: sorry, I'm tired and a bit sick today :-) |
| 01:02.36 | plukazz | but i cant the source |
| 01:02.46 | plukazz | bye |
| 01:02.54 | Guerin | Wyzard: please don't apologise. I think you're still about 1,000 mistabs agead of me |
| 01:02.59 | Guerin | err, behind me |
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| 01:03.13 | Guerin | anyway, i', probably still drunk from last night |
| 01:03.28 | Guerin | plukazz: did you gooooogle |
| 01:03.29 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:03.38 | plukazz | yes of course |
| 01:03.45 | plukazz | i will try again |
| 01:03.47 | geo-rge | you must wear the goggle like conan |
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| 01:04.45 | geo-rge | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgn4CjJCO4 you must watch this to be able to appreciate the goggles |
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| 01:05.03 | geo-rge | then you too can goggle |
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| 01:07.15 | plukazz | i found nothing in google |
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| 01:08.24 | Wyzard | plukazz: Searching Google for "pngtosplash" yields a suggestion for "pngtousplash", which seems to be the actual name of the program |
| 01:08.29 | Solet | why do non root users need to do /sbin/ifconfig but root can just use ifconfig? |
| 01:08.44 | Wyzard | plukazz: and packages.debian.org says that pngtousplash is not in etch, but it's in the libusplash-dev package in testing/unstable |
| 01:08.46 | wols | Solet: /sbin is not in the path of normal users |
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| 01:09.18 | plukazz | ohhhhhh |
| 01:09.31 | plukazz | ok thanks Wyzard |
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| 01:10.53 | eights | i just did a fresh net install on a inspiron 1100 (which has had no problem before during many debian installs) with a netgear pcmcia wifi card. during install device was recognized and used to preform the net install, however upon first boot, |
| 01:10.55 | troubled | kittonian: possible is you had swap space activated on a faulty drive yes since swap = ram. disable swap and try again |
| 01:10.56 | eights | system hangs due to a kernel panic while init the hostap driver for the netgear card. i'm assuming this is due to the newer kernel version (since i haven't installed a linux distro on this machine since the previous version was published. any ideas? |
| 01:11.02 | plukazz | Wizard: did you find its source? |
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| 01:11.49 | Wyzard | plukazz: You mean the source code? |
| 01:12.02 | Wyzard | plukazz: That'd probably be in one of the results in the Google search, but I didn't look at those results |
| 01:12.18 | Wyzard | plukazz: I just went straight to packages.debian.org when I found that the program is really called "pngtousplash" |
| 01:12.41 | xerophyte | how can i easily manage multiple xterm windows, i guess screen i still have issue i have to type around 3 keys to job to the another window |
| 01:13.03 | Wyzard | xerophyte: you could use an alternate terminal program which supports tabs, rather than xterm |
| 01:13.25 | plukazz | i'll search again |
| 01:14.00 | xerophyte | Wyzard, thos need 3 keys to chnage the window ..actually you have to scroll to get to the windows .. i use around 20+ windows |
| 01:14.12 | wols | xerophyte: gnome-terminal alt+<windownumber> to switch |
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| 01:14.34 | xerophyte | wols gnome-terminal need lots of resource :( |
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| 01:15.39 | Wyzard | xerophyte: You'd open multiple tabs in each window rather than lots of windows |
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| 01:16.30 | xerophyte | Wyzard, yes when windows increase its use lots of memory and cpu .. and make the labtop slow .. but xterm + screen consume less memory .. but the problem i need 4 keys to swith windows |
| 01:17.09 | Wyzard | xerophyte: Opening additional terminal windows shouldn't consume significant amounts of additional memory... it's not like you're loading another whole copy of the program into RAM |
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| 01:17.47 | Wyzard | and having a terminal window open won't eat up your CPU |
| 01:17.52 | xerophyte | Wyzard, gnome-terminal is heavy on resource |
| 01:17.55 | Wyzard | not even having lots of them open |
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| 01:18.23 | Wyzard | xerophyte: sure, because it uses a bunch of libraries, but it's a big up-front cost and then small cost for each additional window/tab |
| 01:18.31 | Wyzard | xerophyte: and I'm sure there are other tabbable terminals besides gnome-terminal |
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| 01:19.04 | abrotman | konsole is one |
| 01:19.06 | xerophyte | Wyzard, beside i use xfce .. but i don' t have gnome applications too |
| 01:19.15 | Wyzard | xerophyte: XFCE's terminal is tabbable |
| 01:19.20 | amphi | xfce4-terminal for one, also not so light; mrxvt is lighter |
| 01:19.52 | karsten | Looks like it was HW issue. Wiped off lens, burning now. |
| 01:19.59 | amphi | xfce4's lets you have the tabs at the side, which I like; I don't know about others |
| 01:20.03 | Wyzard | xerophyte: and that won't take up much memory when you launch it because the libraries it uses are already in memory (used by the other parts of XFCE) and don't need to be loaded again |
| 01:20.31 | xerophyte | Wyzard, hmmm |
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| 01:21.13 | Wyzard | xerophyte: Ctrl-Shift-T to open a tab; Ctrl-PgUp/PgDown to switch between them |
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| 01:22.14 | xerophyte | Wyzard, hmmm thanks lot let me see ..how it goes |
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| 01:23.28 | Wyzard | xerophyte: You can name the tabs too -- "Set Title" on the Terminal menu |
| 01:23.46 | xerophyte | Wyzard, hmmm |
| 01:23.48 | Wyzard | xerophyte: Ctrl-Shift-N for a new window, btw |
| 01:23.58 | xerophyte | wyard i like the screen .. but |
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| 01:25.17 | magic_pinguim | i'm sorry i have one debian etch instalation but like make one upgrade to thesid using the deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib and now i reboot i dont have image in gnome afterlogin and thedirver is the vesalooks ok itwaorks beford and fine :x |
| 01:25.31 | Wyzard | xerophyte: The default 12pt size is too big IMO; I shrink it to 10pt |
| 01:25.51 | karsten | What's the /proc interface to the kernel ring buffer? |
| 01:26.04 | xerophyte | Wyzard, oh cool ... looks like its good i will use it and see how it goes thanks for the suggestion |
| 01:26.27 | karsten | Doh! /proc/kmsg |
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| 01:29.31 | magic_pinguim | urggg maby is bether i give up linux ... |
| 01:29.52 | karsten | magic_pinguim: In Soviet Russia, Linux gives up YOU! |
| 01:30.05 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: if you want unstable... it becomes you and your responsibility to know how to find problems, search for solutions and for the software to install... |
| 01:30.23 | ameyer | karsten: in soviet russia, russian reversal joke make you |
| 01:30.44 | geo-rge | unstable changes. a lot. how will people know what is now? |
| 01:30.47 | magic_pinguim | karsten right ... you just dont know what you are say i think |
| 01:31.05 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim, YOU will have to find out. yourself. |
| 01:31.32 | geo-rge | maybe to solve, you will have to debug a C or C++ program. or the kernel. |
| 01:31.37 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge well im tryfor allmost 2 mouths put the wireless here :x i know thre are software that makes t works fine have drivers and everything ... just dont work... |
| 01:31.49 | magic_pinguim | is to stupid |
| 01:31.54 | geo-rge | I'm just saying, you might not want unstable. |
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| 01:32.27 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge yes buti need need kernel ... and the new drivers aplicaiton thtadont come whith kernel that stable use ... |
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| 01:32.38 | magic_pinguim | dont works |
| 01:32.47 | magic_pinguim | on debian |
| 01:33.03 | geo-rge | ok, so maybe you can try newer kernel packages |
| 01:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you could debug the kernel |
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| 01:33.22 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge i just spent allmost 2mouths try it |
| 01:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just go back to the previous kernel version? |
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| 01:33.50 | magic_pinguim | no sense put unstable in one desktop productions right? lol |
| 01:33.59 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: I'm not doing wireless :) |
| 01:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... is it time to say !wud? Or would that be impolite? |
| 01:34.34 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: that, and you are expected to understand things deeply |
| 01:34.36 | struct | magic_pinguim: try ubuntu |
| 01:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 01:35.13 | JordiGH | I'm trying to guess what the right hsync and vsync are for my monitor. If I use a higher resolution, should the hsync be lower or higher? |
| 01:35.14 | magic_pinguim | struct they dont care about security ... i reallydont like see one recomeneded firewall ... in last ubuntu version ... whith onebug not yet corrected .... |
| 01:35.58 | struct | magic_pinguim: ubuntu is probably as secure as debian is |
| 01:36.00 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: for a learning experience maybe security is not so important |
| 01:36.11 | struct | magic_pinguim: and its better for people new to linux |
| 01:36.42 | struct | magic_pinguim: so then you learn some stuff and maybe you dont say things like maybe it is better if a I give up on linux |
| 01:36.55 | struct | magic_pinguim: then you come back to debian later and find it not so frustrating |
| 01:36.57 | JordiGH | struct: "Better" is a relative thing. I'm giving Debian to a bunch of undergrad kids. Of course, I'm also their sysadmin, so perhaps my vision is skewed. |
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| 01:37.33 | JordiGH | Btw, Linux Mint seems like it could get some mindshare, if it consistently works as well as I've seen it work setting up all the non-free stuff. |
| 01:37.36 | magic_pinguim | struct sowhy they have one firewall security bug that everyone knows ... that the firewall dont run after reboot ... and they dont correct it? one firewall they recomended in the distor beford? |
| 01:37.46 | magic_pinguim | no nono forget ... that one big mistake ... |
| 01:37.46 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: sometimes certain hardware doesn't work on linux kernel (which is exclusively where hardware is dealt with) |
| 01:37.52 | magic_pinguim | dont give me tryst |
| 01:37.55 | magic_pinguim | tryst |
| 01:38.03 | magic_pinguim | urgg :x "trust" |
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| 01:38.37 | struct | magic_pinguim: its better then using windows or mac osx |
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| 01:39.03 | struct | magic_pinguim: if you like you can read the debian documentation |
| 01:39.11 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge man one firewall dont run ate the computer reboot? only run manually? you joking you call this security? |
| 01:39.20 | struct | magic_pinguim: it will teach you much about debian and then you will feel more comfortable with it |
| 01:39.43 | undesktop | where can I find this documentation? |
| 01:40.01 | struct | http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 01:40.03 | undesktop | I'm using debian since 4 years but never noticed any documentation |
| 01:40.11 | struct | undesktop: not my problem |
| 01:40.16 | JordiGH | undesktop: What documentation? /usr/share/doc ? |
| 01:40.26 | Guerin | undesktop: no, you DID need documentation, you just didn't REALISE ir |
| 01:40.27 | Guerin | t |
| 01:40.49 | undesktop | I wrote "noticed" not "needed" |
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| 01:40.56 | magic_pinguim | struct why i want linux ifi cant have wireless (know thta have drivers that work well in the last stable kernel?) |
| 01:41.11 | magic_pinguim | and they notrunning ... |
| 01:41.16 | struct | magic_pinguim: ok so dont use linux then |
| 01:41.23 | undesktop | and /usr/share usually only contains debian changelogs/readmes and docs from the vendor |
| 01:41.23 | Muffie | hello all. anyone knows a good application to monitor multiple cores cpus? Should I use apt-get intall <what>? |
| 01:41.26 | struct | magic_pinguim: go back to whatever you were using before |
| 01:41.28 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: (1) I didn't say that (I think) (2) you need to make very clear what you are saying |
| 01:41.28 | undesktop | +/doc |
| 01:41.32 | struct | magic_pinguim: maybe linux is not for you |
| 01:41.32 | magic_pinguim | struct that what im talking about |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | Muffie: monitor them for what ? |
| 01:41.47 | struct | abrotman: is it always like this in here now? |
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| 01:42.02 | abrotman | struct: no .. just with people that can't speak english :) |
| 01:42.06 | struct | hehe |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | Muffie: atop is nice |
| 01:42.25 | Muffie | abrotman, cpu usage and that kind of stuff |
| 01:42.27 | geo-rge | linux is ONLY FOR WIRELESS. NO video. NO sound. NO compiling anything. the ONLY thing it can do is wireless. |
| 01:42.28 | JordiGH | Ok, let me try to ask again: X seems to be able to probe my monitor for hsync settings, or at least something like this seems visible in /var/log/Xorg.1.log, but I can't interpret these numbers. |
| 01:42.35 | Muffie | abrotman, atop is an X app? |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.41 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: that sound right to you? :) |
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| 01:43.20 | struct | I have not use atop in some time |
| 01:43.22 | suwro | hello |
| 01:43.54 | magic_pinguim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.58 | struct | I ought to try it on my mini-itx system |
| 01:44.02 | undesktop | 758 people say hello to suwro |
| 01:44.12 | magic_pinguim | struct i dont need thatin windows ... jst a few minutes |
| 01:44.27 | suwro | is there any method to make iptables list without the headers? (target prot opt source...) ?? |
| 01:44.54 | JordiGH | magic_pinguim: Try Linux Mint if you don't care about freedom. |
| 01:44.58 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: you do have the choice to use windows... but you pay for that, and you pay with money, and you pay with your rights and your freedoms |
| 01:45.00 | JordiGH | magic_pinguim: And leave us the hell alone. |
| 01:45.54 | struct | abrotman: how is life? |
| 01:45.58 | struct | abrotman: doing well? |
| 01:46.05 | suwro | ?? |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | as well as can be expected i suppose :) |
| 01:46.08 | JordiGH | Hm, ok. I seem to have found something useful. |
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| 01:46.15 | suwro | nobody use iptables in scripts? |
| 01:46.29 | abrotman | suwro: maybe ask #iptables ? |
| 01:46.42 | suwro | umm - good point! :) |
| 01:46.44 | magic_pinguim | JordiGH so give to me one solution |
| 01:46.47 | JordiGH | So I need to take the modelines that X probed and then use these magic modeline numbers to define the hsync in xorg.conf, right? |
| 01:46.55 | magic_pinguim | JordiGH or you dont have solution? |
| 01:47.08 | magic_pinguim | JordiGH or you still dont know put this like i dont know put it ... |
| 01:47.18 | Nyle | what? |
| 01:47.20 | magic_pinguim | and you just talking around there ... |
| 01:47.22 | magic_pinguim | bla bla bla |
| 01:47.23 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: one of the main points of using linux in general is you have the ability to find your own solutions |
| 01:47.29 | Nyle | magic_pinguim: are you on drugs? |
| 01:47.33 | JordiGH | magic_pinguim: Your solution is wireless isn't working? 1) If you care about freedom, nag the wireless manufacturers to release free drivers 2) if you don't care, install a distro that doesn't care about freedom either such as Linux Mint. |
| 01:47.50 | JordiGH | re modeline, I'm talking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline |
| 01:48.41 | magic_pinguim | Nyle nope ... just aswaser about someone that talk to me i dont care about freddom because i like opensource but i cant spent so many time or haveing machines stoped because i have drivers but they dont install ... |
| 01:48.43 | magic_pinguim | LOL |
| 01:48.49 | magic_pinguim | so we have and we cant use they |
| 01:48.53 | magic_pinguim | LOL |
| 01:48.55 | magic_pinguim | stupid |
| 01:49.15 | Nyle | so don't use debian |
| 01:49.19 | Nyle | whats the argument? |
| 01:49.33 | geo-rge | did you look for evidence that your wireless card can run under linux? |
| 01:49.37 | JordiGH | magic_pinguim: Yes, it's stupid. But it's not our fault. It's the manufacturers' fault. |
| 01:49.44 | geo-rge | BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT? |
| 01:49.46 | troubled | magic_pinguim: eff you see kay off |
| 01:49.58 | Nyle | troubled: awe dude.. weak. |
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| 01:50.16 | troubled | i thought it was strong |
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| 01:50.25 | magic_pinguim | nyle ... i just say ... only this ---- maby linux it is not for me im tired to try to install this that i dont know why im losing so many time" |
| 01:50.42 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: maybe you're right |
| 01:50.42 | resistance | for ps aux | grep 80 i get: www-data 16007 0.0 0.4 230980 2468 ? Sl 21:17 0:00 apache2 -k start, what does the S! stand for? |
| 01:50.47 | geo-rge | if you're not willing to do the hard work |
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| 01:50.55 | geo-rge | maybe linux is -not- for you |
| 01:51.11 | struct | orinoco is nice |
| 01:51.30 | magic_pinguim | now that makes all this a litle stupid oh yes it makes have the drivers and they dont work in stable lolso you cantuse they ... |
| 01:51.38 | abrotman | then go use something else |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | resistance: man ps |
| 01:52.03 | geo-rge | OR if you're going to let your mind fizzle and fry every time something bad happens... |
| 01:52.05 | geo-rge | maybe linux is -not- for you |
| 01:52.08 | eights | i get the error: "unexpected IRQ trap at vector 50 hostap_cs: index 0x01: , irq 3, blah blah prism2_hw_init: initialized in 0 ms" when my pcmcia wifi card is inserted and the system freezes on boot. if the card isn't in system starts fine. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:52.43 | resistance | i'm having a problem with one of my apache2 servers, one of them, the working one has just an S, this one has a S1 |
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| 01:52.56 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: in all the time you've been here during this conversation, what progress have you made in trying to find and solve the problem? |
| 01:52.59 | resistance | i'm wondering if this could have anything to do with the problem |
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| 01:53.26 | geo-rge | futile: S? S1? |
| 01:53.39 | struct | geo-rge: just leave him be |
| 01:53.50 | struct | its a waste of time |
| 01:54.01 | struct | time is very valuable |
| 01:54.12 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge well just thinking ... thetime i spent to see that will not work and i dont want to use ubuntu ... so i need to think to start to use things that probably work like othersos |
| 01:54.12 | geo-rge | but you can see he wants it to work, right? |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | okay .. so he's been whining for what .. 30 minutes .. does anyone even know which chipset he has ? |
| 01:55.23 | troubled | just kick him and be done with it |
| 01:56.04 | JordiGH | magic_pinguim: Try Linux Mint. |
| 01:56.26 | JordiGH | magic_pinguim: http://linuxmint.com/ |
| 01:56.32 | magic_pinguim | geo-rge i spent 5 years join money to have one laptop i dont use windows for ... more then one year ... i use debian ... i have one new toy for 2 mouths ... and the machine is stoped ... understand now? i allreayd try help here and nobody can help me beford to that ok no problem it happens i like debian to but itdont works what can i do? |
| 01:56.52 | Nyle | magic_pinguim: how old are you? |
| 01:56.55 | struct | JordiGH: what if linux mint's firewall fails after a reboot :O |
| 01:57.10 | ameyer | magic_pinguim: try a distro that doesn't care about freedom |
| 01:57.21 | ameyer | I suggest Ubuntu... |
| 01:57.26 | abrotman | so .. right .. no one knows his chipset ? |
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| 01:57.33 | struct | nope |
| 01:57.35 | JordiGH | argh. |
| 01:57.37 | null__ | Question: I added an unstable repository to my sources.list, now how can I apt-get install just one program? It prompts me to accept 200 MB worth of upgrades for dozens of other programs. |
| 01:57.41 | struct | I dont know what chipset he has |
| 01:57.48 | struct | I dont care really either |
| 01:57.52 | abrotman | null__: you can't |
| 01:57.52 | Nyle | magic_pinguim: calm down. more than likely you will be able to find a solution to your problem somehow. Just relax and tackle the problem in a little while. Go relax yoru mind, smoke a cig, jerk off, watch porn whatever it is that you need to do |
| 01:57.56 | null__ | Oh, wow. |
| 01:57.58 | kspath | wireless must die |
| 01:57.59 | Nyle | it will e alright |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | !tell null__ about simple sid backport |
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| 01:58.14 | troubled | Nyle: now that was weak |
| 01:58.20 | geo-rge | he hasn't been the slightest bit specific yet about his situation |
| 01:58.22 | Nyle | no |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | so basically .. trolling ? |
| 01:58.32 | Nyle | spelling out shit like fuck is lame |
| 01:58.36 | geo-rge | Nyle does have a point, he needs to chill out |
| 01:58.36 | troubled | Nyle: you? talking about calm? we all know your a loose end waiting to snap |
| 01:58.53 | Nyle | if you say so |
| 01:58.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:59.06 | amphi | kspath: why? it works fine here |
| 01:59.07 | troubled | paalease, your the most unstable pothead in this channel stoned |
| 01:59.13 | JordiGH | vsyncs are in kHz and hsyncs in Hz, right? |
| 01:59.16 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. he doesn't want to discuss his issue .. he just wants to whine/bitch |
| 01:59.17 | ameyer | troubled: and we all know you can't spell "you're" |
| 01:59.19 | magic_pinguim | right ... or just give up and use things that work |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | then DO IT |
| 01:59.40 | troubled | ameyer: no, been messing that up for going on 5 years now :) |
| 01:59.44 | ameyer | I can't deal with this shit... |
| 01:59.48 | geo-rge | magic_pinguim: like I said... either you're willing to do the hard work or you're not |
| 01:59.49 | struct | its the ones who vent that are normal |
| 01:59.56 | struct | the quiet ones are the ones that snap |
| 01:59.56 | Nyle | personal attacks are fairly useless. I mean, you are just some dude online, and I should care about your opinion why exactly? |
| 02:00.00 | magic_pinguim | ok whatever .... that ok guys |
| 02:00.08 | null__ | Can someone explain to me why it makes sense for it to require downloading 200 MB of updates just to install one program? |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | null__: dependencies |
| 02:00.18 | struct | "serenity now" |
| 02:00.22 | struct | "serenity now" |
| 02:00.23 | Nyle | magic_pinguim: check the hardware for linux compatability next time before you buy it |
| 02:00.28 | Nyle | struct: hehe |
| 02:00.33 | Nyle | serenity now, insanity later |
| 02:00.39 | struct | hehe |
| 02:00.40 | null__ | That does make sense. |
| 02:00.45 | magic_pinguim | Nyle i say many times there are drivers thta works for everything here ... even the webcam |
| 02:00.49 | geo-rge | null__: could it be you're downloading something from a -different- dist? |
| 02:00.52 | struct | I am much to quiet |
| 02:00.58 | abrotman | too |
| 02:01.14 | geo-rge | l |
| 02:01.17 | struct | abrotman: take up hunting? |
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| 02:01.27 | null__ | Nope, just a -um- I think updated version of vlc. How can I find out what version# apt-get will download and install? |
| 02:01.28 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | !tell null__ about backports |
| 02:01.49 | troubled | null__: apt-get policy <pskage name> |
| 02:01.54 | troubled | err apt-cache |
| 02:01.56 | struct | abrotman: fighting wild animals would be a good way to vent |
| 02:02.02 | struct | abrotman: shark wrestling |
| 02:02.17 | kspath | struct: or die while screaming |
| 02:02.22 | struct | abrotman: we could start a reality show about shark wrestling |
| 02:02.23 | S[o]let | in a linux router/dns/dhcp server, how do i set the private ip i want to give the router? |
| 02:02.31 | geo-rge | null__: the thing is, that trying to get binary packages from a dist that is not the same will require support for those binaries... you're better off compiling it |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | struct: starring gentoo users ? :) |
| 02:02.40 | struct | abrotman: we could film it in the bahamas |
| 02:02.49 | struct | abrotman: I got the set up all ready |
| 02:02.55 | struct | abrotman: yeah sure gentoo users is fine |
| 02:03.02 | null__ | I think I will compile it. |
| 02:03.10 | struct | abrotman: we just tell them we are going to film them swimming in HD |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | okay .. ignore what i say .. |
| 02:03.19 | struct | nevermind the red stuff in the water |
| 02:03.34 | struct | its just to add a nice tint to the water |
| 02:03.36 | struct | :) |
| 02:03.50 | kspath | struct: use troubled slackware users as chum? |
| 02:04.03 | struct | heh |
| 02:04.10 | null__ | abrotman: build-dep also wants to get 200 MB of stuffz. So... :p |
| 02:04.11 | struct | that might be a crime |
| 02:04.15 | geo-rge | null__: so you'll need the dev libs and other such to support the compiling |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | null__: did you check backports.org ? |
| 02:04.42 | struct | gentoo users ought to be able to swim rather fast though |
| 02:04.45 | geo-rge | null__: like... compiler? :) |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | bah .. no vlc there iether |
| 02:04.50 | struct | if they use the right compile flags |
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| 02:05.10 | kspath | struct: or slower if they make a mistake |
| 02:05.16 | struct | kspath: yeah |
| 02:05.33 | resistance | i can telnet into my debian box apache2 server with: telnet 192.168.0.14 80, when i type in GET, it gets my the page, but i cannot access the webpage when i type 192.168.0.14 |
| 02:05.37 | struct | kspath: not sure the .00001 nano seconds speed advantage would help them though |
| 02:05.47 | Nyle | I am right now one with the universe |
| 02:05.51 | Nyle | totally zen |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | resistance: what happens ? |
| 02:06.01 | struct | Nyle: how did that happen? |
| 02:06.09 | Nyle | no pot, fasting, praying |
| 02:06.10 | Nyle | etc. |
| 02:06.14 | resistance | nothing |
| 02:06.14 | geo-rge | I went to a hot dog stand... he made me one with everything... |
| 02:06.26 | kspath | resistance: lynx 192.168.0.14 does what? |
| 02:06.27 | Nyle | geo-rge: i hate you |
| 02:06.28 | struct | no pot? |
| 02:06.28 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | resistance: try another browser |
| 02:06.41 | struct | ah you mean herbs? |
| 02:06.48 | Nyle | indeed i do |
| 02:06.49 | struct | ganja? |
| 02:06.50 | resistance | doesn't work on ie nor firefox |
| 02:06.56 | kspath | resistance: lynx 192.168.0.14 does what? |
| 02:07.00 | geo-rge | at least you respond quickly :) |
| 02:07.06 | struct | I wonder where the term pot came from |
| 02:07.07 | Nyle | that i do |
| 02:07.11 | struct | it never made sense to me |
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| 02:07.25 | kspath | struct: ask wikipedia |
| 02:07.30 | Nyle | i like potusa |
| 02:07.31 | Nyle | good band |
| 02:07.35 | struct | Nyle: who do you pray to? |
| 02:07.41 | resistance | the browser just sits there for about a minute and then times out |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | maybe you should just msg him ? |
| 02:07.45 | geo-rge | the geo-rge god! |
| 02:07.48 | Nyle | The One True God |
| 02:07.54 | Nyle | The Mighty Leaf. |
| 02:07.58 | Guerin | struct: he prays to Shred0r, the God of Shred |
| 02:08.03 | kspath | resistance: listening on port 80 but nothing comes through? |
| 02:08.04 | struct | ah |
| 02:08.08 | struct | Guerin: hey hows it going? |
| 02:08.14 | Nyle | Guerin: that I do |
| 02:08.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | To format a simple fat32 file system, I just run mkfs.vfat /the/device? |
| 02:08.18 | Guerin | struct: it's going. |
| 02:08.22 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: yep. |
| 02:08.22 | Nyle | shred on any instrument is awesome |
| 02:08.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Ok, thanks |
| 02:08.33 | resistance | kspath: i don't know, i can telnet into it, it's baffling the he@@ out of me |
| 02:08.34 | Nyle | be it ravi shankar on sitar, or batio on guitar |
| 02:08.46 | resistance | lynx 192.168.0.14 does the same thing |
| 02:08.51 | kspath | resistance: what do apache logs say? does netstat show any of this? |
| 02:09.00 | resistance | HTTP request sent; waitning for response |
| 02:09.16 | resistance | logs just say apache2 is resuming normal operations |
| 02:09.22 | kspath | resistance: firewall rules? |
| 02:09.44 | resistance | none |
| 02:09.48 | resistance | accept everything |
| 02:09.51 | kspath | resistance: you are doing all this on the same host as the apache2 is installed on? |
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| 02:10.07 | resistance | no |
| 02:10.14 | resistance | i'm ssh'd into it |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | lynx localhost ? |
| 02:10.45 | kspath | resistance: lynx localhost show anything in your ssh session? |
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| 02:11.12 | kspath | resistance: lynx 127.0.0.1 show anything in your ssh session? |
| 02:11.30 | resistance | hang on, i have to install lynx on the webserver |
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| 02:11.44 | kspath | resistance: localhost and 127.0.0.1 are supposed to be the same thing in most cases |
| 02:11.56 | resistance | yes, it shows IT WORKS!!! |
| 02:12.01 | kspath | resistance: maybe links or w3m was on there already? |
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| 02:12.34 | abrotman | resistance: is there a firewall involved ? |
| 02:12.53 | kspath | resistance: router or firewall rules or null route of conflicting MAC or other causing an issue? |
| 02:13.05 | resistance | well i have a smoothwall for internet connection sharing but i'm trying to access the webserver from the internal lan |
| 02:13.30 | kspath | resistance: but using your smoothwall as the router? |
| 02:13.49 | kspath | resistance: check your smoothwall logs |
| 02:13.54 | resistance | yes, but the webserver didn't work before i put it in, i've only had it for a couple days |
| 02:14.13 | resistance | how owuld i find out if there is a duplicate mac |
| 02:14.24 | kspath | resistance: if your workstation has no firewall than it must be a firewall or routes on the webserver |
| 02:14.54 | resistance | i have everything set to accept, there are no reules |
| 02:14.54 | kspath | resistance: check your routes and IPs on web server as well and firewall |
| 02:15.14 | kspath | resistance: check your routes and IPs and firewall on your workstation |
| 02:15.24 | resistance | i'm using an xp workstation |
| 02:15.47 | abrotman | clear browser cache and restart browser |
| 02:16.18 | kspath | abrotman: good point, lame browser cache issue was quite common and likely still is |
| 02:16.20 | resistance | nothing |
| 02:16.45 | kspath | resistance: hold down control button and click reload ? |
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| 02:17.26 | resistance | nothign |
| 02:17.44 | kspath | resistance: what does your webserver logs say? |
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| 02:18.01 | resistance | what i can't figure out is i can access it from a remote client via telnet |
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| 02:18.29 | resistance | log says absolutely nothing, accept when i telnet, or just now when i used linx on the server |
| 02:18.29 | kspath | resistance: proxy? cache? squid? |
| 02:18.55 | resistance | i'm bypassing squid, when i enable it it says, 0 sized return |
| 02:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 767] by debhelper |
| 02:19.48 | resistance | [Fri Sep 21 21:17:38 2007] [debug] worker.c(1740): AcceptMutex: sysvsem (default: sysvsem) |
| 02:19.53 | resistance | this just popped out |
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| 02:20.39 | abrotman | OH NO .. A MUTEX! |
| 02:21.04 | resistance | what's that mean? |
| 02:21.09 | undesktop | danger |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | resistance: sorry .. it's late :) |
| 02:21.25 | resistance | what can i do? |
| 02:21.49 | kspath | resistance: troubleshoot and fix it |
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| 02:21.55 | abrotman | nothing in your error/access logs at all? |
| 02:21.59 | resistance | i've been trying |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | what about using netstat |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:22.23 | S[o]let | where's the "static-routes" file in debian? |
| 02:22.25 | resistance | for every connection i initiate, a line is added that never goes away |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | that says what ? |
| 02:23.54 | resistance | tcp 0 0 poplarswitchboard:5038 192.168.0.4:3684 ESTABLISHED |
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| 02:24.12 | abrotman | your firewall is not right ... on one of the systems |
| 02:24.15 | resistance | tcp6 0 0 poplarswitchboard:www ::ffff:192.168.0.3:1814 ESTABLISHED |
| 02:24.46 | resistance | well it has to be on the server because no cleint works |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | can you shut down the firewall without issue ? |
| 02:26.04 | resistance | ye |
| 02:26.05 | resistance | s |
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| 02:26.37 | kspath | resistance: why is tcp6 showing an IPv4 address? |
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| 02:27.03 | resistance | i dunno there is something f'd up |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | kspath: it's supposed to |
| 02:27.33 | kspath | abrotman: pardon my ignorance, I have avoided IPv6 |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | or rather .. that's normal looking |
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| 02:31.03 | resistance | would the webservers route have anything to do with it? |
| 02:31.19 | resistance | never mind |
| 02:32.44 | resistance | when i ping 192.168.0.14, which is the local host, it ways unknown host |
| 02:32.50 | resistance | but ping localhost works |
| 02:33.29 | kspath | resistance: 127.0.0.1 is localhost 192.168.0.14 is supposed to be on one of the NICs |
| 02:33.34 | resistance | yes |
| 02:33.41 | kspath | resistance: netmask? |
| 02:33.48 | kspath | resistance: routes? |
| 02:33.50 | geo-rge | resistance: when you ping by number, it says unknown host? |
| 02:33.55 | resistance | yes |
| 02:33.57 | geo-rge | check the address |
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| 02:34.03 | resistance | routes are good |
| 02:34.08 | geo-rge | that's not supposed to happen |
| 02:34.11 | geo-rge | the -address- |
| 02:34.12 | resistance | i get that |
| 02:34.17 | kspath | ifconfig -a eth0 ? |
| 02:34.18 | geo-rge | the thing you're -pinging- |
| 02:34.29 | resistance | ping 192.168.0.14 is the exact command i'm tying |
| 02:34.36 | resistance | ping: unknown host l92.168.0.14 |
| 02:34.51 | geo-rge | ok :) |
| 02:35.03 | geo-rge | try making the first char a ONE not an ELL |
| 02:35.13 | kspath | resistance: ifconfig -a check your interface config /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf ... |
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| 02:35.53 | resistance | ifconfig is fine |
| 02:36.01 | geo-rge | kspath: notice the first char of the address is an L not a 1 |
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| 02:36.47 | resistance | no its not |
| 02:37.05 | mooper | hi, im just installing vmware server but the script has hit an error. It is looking for an IP adress of the host on my private network. |
| 02:37.07 | geo-rge | resistance: look at the message that came back. I am. |
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| 02:37.19 | mooper | shng9w: /usr/bin/vmware-ping: not found |
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| 02:37.54 | resistance | /etc/host has an entry: 192.168.0.14 poplarswitchboard |
| 02:38.17 | resistance | and that works fine |
| 02:38.45 | geo-rge | try pinging again, and this time put the right char in :) |
| 02:39.27 | resistance | geo-rge: i tried not with my number pad AND the normal numbers same thing |
| 02:39.39 | resistance | ping: unknown host l92.168.0.14 |
| 02:39.53 | resistance | it seems when i paste it in here it looks different |
| 02:39.56 | geo-rge | resistance: look at the first char, and the fifth char |
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| 02:40.22 | resistance | when i ping poplarswitchboard, it replys fine |
| 02:40.30 | geo-rge | it says L92.168.0.14 |
| 02:40.53 | geo-rge | where the L is lowercase in the actual message |
| 02:42.03 | geo-rge | this would explain why it would say "unknown host", a message produces ONLY for domain NAMES |
| 02:42.12 | geo-rge | produced that is |
| 02:42.13 | magyar | how can i generate a random password from command line? |
| 02:42.21 | geo-rge | pwgen |
| 02:42.46 | resistance | sorry, i see it now, i can ping it fine |
| 02:42.49 | resistance | excuse me |
| 02:43.13 | geo-rge | np... resistance really is futile :) |
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| 02:43.33 | resistance | but i'm no closer to a solution.................. |
| 02:43.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:43.43 | gpogo | is an nvidia 8800gts too new for the nvidia driver? |
| 02:43.54 | Guerin | !htfswk gpogo |
| 02:43.54 | dpkg | gpogo: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 02:44.00 | wols_ | gpogo: no |
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| 02:44.09 | geo-rge | and I'm talking about the resistance you had to looking at what you did, not your nick |
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| 02:44.21 | geo-rge | even tho it is a tempting target :) |
| 02:44.51 | resistance | oh i get u're pun i get it |
| 02:44.54 | gpogo | wols_: thanks, I had some issues my last go and it just resulted in a blank screen. this time I made sure to set up openssh-server |
| 02:45.01 | resistance | :D |
| 02:45.48 | wols_ | gpogo: if all else fails, you can backport from lenny or sid |
| 02:45.54 | resistance | i cant understant wtf the server would just quit, and not work anymore |
| 02:46.41 | resistance | now im wondering if my ethernet card isn't balled |
| 02:47.25 | stiv2k | http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_tovid/Debian |
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| 02:47.35 | stiv2k | any reason why selecting 'unstable' or 'sid' brings a 404 |
| 02:47.56 | geo-rge | resistance: is the web page on the same machine as the one you're telnettng/lynxing from? |
| 02:48.50 | resistance | no, i can telnet from a different machine, but lynx will only work on the localhost |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | firewall! |
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| 02:49.18 | geo-rge | or hostname parameter in apache config |
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| 02:49.28 | resistance | ok, where |
| 02:49.31 | Nyle | hi hostname |
| 02:49.34 | Nyle | er. |
| 02:49.53 | Nyle | i should finish my lines or delete em |
| 02:50.08 | geo-rge | delete em! delete em! |
| 02:50.09 | Nyle | that was meant for someone a while ago hehe |
| 02:50.13 | geo-rge | j/k :) |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | geo-rge: wouldn't you think the log would show it requesting it though ? |
| 02:50.18 | Nyle | word |
| 02:50.43 | geo-rge | abrotman: yes but he says he can telnet to port 80 |
| 02:50.43 | bwlang | i want to convert a server from linux to windows... it as a marvel 6081 SATA controller... anybody have experience with mv_sata vs. sata_mv - neither worked for me a couple of years ago when i tried this the first time. |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | and does the log show that request ? |
| 02:50.56 | Nyle | i love grinding drums and brutally sick death metal with insane shredz0rz |
| 02:51.03 | Nyle | muuaha |
| 02:51.07 | resistance | yes when i telnet, otherwise no |
| 02:51.18 | geo-rge | try this: |
| 02:51.25 | Nyle | bwlang: why? |
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| 02:51.31 | resistance | abrotman: it doesn't |
| 02:51.37 | geo-rge | lynx http://192.168.0.12/ |
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| 02:52.06 | abrotman | from which host ? |
| 02:52.07 | bwlang | doh: windows -> linux not linux -> windows |
| 02:52.23 | bwlang | Nyle: win -> linux (had it backwards...) |
| 02:52.32 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 02:52.37 | geo-rge | well again why? |
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| 02:52.55 | Geoff--- | hi.. after some help installing etch onto promise TX2000 controller in RAID 1 (done it too long ago for RH9, can't remember) |
| 02:52.58 | geo-rge | I know the reasons I would... but what are yours? |
| 02:52.58 | resistance | geo-rge: from which host? |
| 02:53.16 | bwlang | i find it's easier to manage linux servers, and there's less overhead for the os. |
| 02:53.22 | geo-rge | from 192.168.0. NOT 12 |
| 02:53.32 | resistance | ok, same thing |
| 02:53.50 | geo-rge | bwlang: yeah, you should consider switching then |
| 02:54.23 | geo-rge | resistance: so you can telnet 192.168.0.12 80 |
| 02:54.25 | bwlang | geo-rge: i tried to build this as a linux box the first time around, but there was no support for the sata controller... i wonder if it's better now. |
| 02:54.30 | geo-rge | from the NOT.12? |
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| 02:54.46 | resistance | yes, but the host is .14, not .12 :D |
| 02:55.13 | geo-rge | ok .14 has the web server on it? or .12? |
| 02:55.18 | resistance | but yes i can telnet into the machine from a remote host via telnet, when i type GET, i get the webpage data |
| 02:55.25 | resistance | .14 is the webserver |
| 02:55.30 | geo-rge | ohh |
| 02:55.37 | geo-rge | then, from .12, |
| 02:55.37 | Lovecraft | So what is it with the console not being able to use the so-called 'line drawing' characters? Something change in the linux termtype or ncurses or ... ? |
| 02:55.41 | resistance | i'm trying to connect from .1 and .30 |
| 02:55.47 | resistance | .1 is another debian machine |
| 02:55.49 | geo-rge | lynx http://192.168.0.14/ |
| 02:55.52 | resistance | .30 is a xp machine |
| 02:56.05 | resistance | on, i tried that from .1 nothing |
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| 02:57.05 | geo-rge | you tried that EXACT line? (remember, we recently experienced resistance to verifying things are correct... so much so that I'd entertain the idea of having you pay me...) |
| 02:57.33 | geo-rge | can you ping .14 from .1? |
| 02:57.34 | resistance | ok, u fix this problem i pay u |
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| 02:58.12 | resistance | .1 says: |
| 02:58.13 | Cataphract | dpkg --get-selections shows linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 install and linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 install. Can I safely remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | Cataphract: it's your insecure backup kernel .. but yes |
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| 02:58.48 | resistance | HTTP request sent; waiting for headers, Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted |
| 02:58.50 | Lovecraft | So what is it with the console not being able to use the so-called 'line drawing' characters? Something change in the linux termtype or ncurses or ... any suggestions? |
| 02:58.55 | abrotman | ncurses |
| 02:59.00 | Cataphract | all right thanks |
| 02:59.01 | resistance | cant access http://192.168.0.14/ |
| 02:59.10 | resistance | Alert: Unables to access document |
| 02:59.16 | geo-rge | resistance: hmm, ok, from the same machine (.1?) |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | did he shut off the firewall yet? |
| 02:59.27 | geo-rge | can you do ping 192.168.0.14 |
| 02:59.34 | geo-rge | no idea |
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| 02:59.46 | geo-rge | where is it located |
| 02:59.48 | resistance | yes, no firewall on |
| 02:59.53 | resistance | remember the telent |
| 02:59.54 | resistance | telnet |
| 03:00.13 | geo-rge | I wonder if the problem is not with the lynx binary |
| 03:00.30 | geo-rge | if the telnet worked, lynx on the same machine should have worked |
| 03:00.35 | resistance | well, firefox does this, ei does this, lynx does this......... |
| 03:00.48 | geo-rge | when you do it from .1? |
| 03:01.02 | resistance | well firefox and ie fail from .30 |
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| 03:01.28 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 03:01.37 | geo-rge | as root on .14 |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | can he make it work from the server if he uses the server IP ? |
| 03:01.52 | geo-rge | look at the output of iptables -L |
| 03:01.54 | resistance | yes abrotma |
| 03:01.55 | resistance | n |
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| 03:02.21 | resistance | all i see is: input, policy accept |
| 03:02.29 | resistance | output policy accept |
| 03:02.36 | resistance | forward policy accept |
| 03:02.41 | resistance | nothing else |
| 03:02.41 | geo-rge | so it's empty |
| 03:02.47 | resistance | yes |
| 03:02.48 | geo-rge | that's good... |
| 03:02.54 | geo-rge | is the same true on .1? |
| 03:03.18 | resistance | .1 is my firewall |
| 03:03.25 | geo-rge | I get that |
| 03:03.30 | geo-rge | hence the .1 :) |
| 03:03.51 | geo-rge | which means it's probably not empty... |
| 03:03.55 | resistance | ok, would it be better if i tried on a different debian machine |
| 03:04.12 | geo-rge | by what means is .1's firewall rules set up? |
| 03:04.20 | resistance | smoothwall |
| 03:04.29 | geo-rge | is it a debian machine? |
| 03:04.43 | resistance | its build on debian, yes |
| 03:04.58 | geo-rge | why not try ipmasq instead? |
| 03:05.03 | resistance | but i don't know if you can call it a "debian machine" |
| 03:05.20 | geo-rge | what's different? |
| 03:05.34 | resistance | well it's just a very bare installation |
| 03:05.46 | geo-rge | oh, ok... how is smoothwall present? |
| 03:05.56 | geo-rge | from a package? |
| 03:06.05 | resistance | well, i used a different debian machine to build the iso |
| 03:06.49 | geo-rge | this iso was for installing debian? |
| 03:07.22 | resistance | no just smoothwall, but like a said earlier, the webserver didn't work before i put in the smoothwall |
| 03:07.29 | resistance | ok i have a different debian box here |
| 03:07.32 | resistance | 192.168.0.4 |
| 03:08.00 | geo-rge | and its iptables -L? |
| 03:08.19 | resistance | same all accept, empt |
| 03:08.20 | resistance | y |
| 03:08.27 | geo-rge | ok, try pinging .14 |
| 03:08.29 | resistance | oh forward is dropped |
| 03:08.48 | geo-rge | so it's different? |
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| 03:09.44 | resistance | ok, i set it to accept |
| 03:10.22 | geo-rge | hmm, I'm still a bit skeptical... but let's try. |
| 03:10.38 | geo-rge | ping 192.168.0.14 |
| 03:10.44 | geo-rge | responses? |
| 03:10.54 | resistance | ok, i can fine |
| 03:11.15 | geo-rge | not able to read that response. |
| 03:11.29 | resistance | time=0.312 ms |
| 03:11.37 | geo-rge | ok, so it does ping. |
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| 03:11.56 | geo-rge | try: telnet 192.168.0.4 80 |
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| 03:13.17 | resistance | works fine |
| 03:13.51 | geo-rge | does this machine (.4) have a gui? |
| 03:14.40 | resistance | i can get it if i have to |
| 03:14.46 | resistance | hang on |
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| 03:14.54 | geo-rge | well let's ignore that part for now |
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| 03:15.23 | resistance | ok |
| 03:15.26 | geo-rge | don't do that yet (for reasons of what I need to do in a few minutes) |
| 03:15.58 | geo-rge | first try lynx http://192.168.0.14/ |
| 03:16.28 | resistance | hang on i have to install on this one |
| 03:17.13 | resistance | lynx |
| 03:17.35 | resistance | ok i gets the error again |
| 03:17.42 | geo-rge | ok, we |
| 03:17.52 | resistance | yes, we |
| 03:18.13 | geo-rge | are going to pause for now (maybe for tonite... havent' decided yet) |
| 03:18.27 | resistance | hey, i'm paying by the hour here |
| 03:18.48 | abrotman | can .4 surf the web ? |
| 03:19.04 | simonrvn | what's a .4? |
| 03:19.12 | Geoff--- | etch + promise TX2000 help anyone? can it be done? |
| 03:19.18 | EznorbYar | hehe noob question guys |
| 03:19.24 | EznorbYar | how do i install stuff? >.> |
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| 03:19.31 | simonrvn | Geoff---: that's your private business |
| 03:19.36 | resistance | i can use apt-get |
| 03:19.44 | Geoff--- | EznorbYar: apt-get install <package> |
| 03:19.55 | Geoff--- | simonrvn: but I like sharing my private business :P |
| 03:19.58 | ubuntu | Hi |
| 03:20.16 | abrotman | try #ubuntu |
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| 03:20.23 | ubuntu | excuseme |
| 03:20.38 | Geoff--- | seriously though... does debian have dmraid or anything that will recognise a fakeraid mirror as a single drive? |
| 03:20.40 | ubuntu | kubuntu live CD is excelent for using IRCs |
| 03:20.55 | resistance | abrotman: yes |
| 03:21.01 | ubuntu | specially when you have problems installing debian :) |
| 03:21.11 | EznorbYar | Geoff---: i'm using the X GUI...how do i input commands like that? |
| 03:21.17 | geo-rge | ubuntu: that way -> |
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| 03:21.51 | geo-rge | ubuntu: so you're -purposely- trolling |
| 03:21.51 | Geoff--- | EznorbYar: X will have a package manager... but failing that open a terminal window and type it in there. |
| 03:22.07 | simonrvn | ubuntu: bye |
| 03:22.45 | debianwannabe | now is better |
| 03:22.57 | Geoff--- | bahaha.. i dunno if ubuntu really wants to be like debian :P |
| 03:22.58 | EznorbYar | Geoff---: how do i open a terminal window? |
| 03:22.58 | abrotman | and that's my cue |
| 03:23.36 | debianwannabe | Geoff--: yes i choose a synonym :P |
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| 03:23.54 | Nyle | what |
| 03:24.00 | Nyle | simonrvn: hey there |
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| 03:27.01 | debianwannabe | I have some problems installing debian, i have a HP dv6000 laptop and after installing debian with netinst CD, it tries to boot, but after some seconds the screen gets in black it has an Nvidia, someone has an idea what's happening? |
| 03:28.01 | czeroX | may be the hd |
| 03:28.49 | debianwannabe | i can mount in my live CD the filesystem |
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| 03:29.10 | abrotman | so stop trying to start X .. look in the X log |
| 03:29.22 | debianwannabe | how? |
| 03:29.42 | robboplus | . |
| 03:30.01 | abrotman | which version of debian is it ? |
| 03:30.06 | debianwannabe | etch |
| 03:30.15 | debianwannabe | 4.0 |
| 03:30.16 | debianwannabe | stable |
| 03:30.19 | debianwannabe | last one |
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| 03:35.20 | Rusty1 | debianwannabe: try appending: nodma to the grub boot stanza |
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| 03:38.07 | debianwannabe | Rusty1: nodma?, i am like new in something else than windows, unfortunately and i speak spanish . So let me see if i understand it, i add to the GRUB a line 'nodma'? |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:39.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:39.52 | debianwannabe | dpkg: Thanks, but they are speaking about cats :-) |
| 03:39.53 | dpkg | sure thing, debianwannabe |
| 03:40.12 | debianwannabe | rusty1: Thanks, let me try |
| 03:40.29 | debianwannabe | dpkg: thanks also! |
| 03:40.30 | dpkg | debianwannabe: bitte |
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| 03:41.01 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:41.01 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:41.24 | debianwannabe | dpkg: schön gut!, |
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| 03:43.53 | Lovecraft | echo $LANG |
| 03:43.56 | Lovecraft | Oops |
| 03:44.06 | resistance | geo-rge: r u back |
| 03:46.30 | simonrvn | Nyle: hi |
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| 03:49.06 | tnks | We were thinking of taking VM snapshots of a system, but we have a number of applications configured with the hostname or IP of the system. |
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| 03:50.41 | tnks | Does anybody know of a way good way to wrap the snapshot with some layer to receive network traffic to another address? |
| 03:51.26 | tnks | it would be nice to not have to figure out how to reconfigure all the applications to a new hostname/IP. |
| 03:52.49 | S[o]let | in a reverse dns zone file... if my subnet is 10.x.x.x, the first line of my zone file is 10.in-addr.arpa, but what do i put my PTR entries as? Would the PTR entry for 10.0.1.2 look like "0.1.2 IN PTR servername" or would it be 2.1.0 IN PTR servername"? |
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| 03:54.03 | abrotman | #dns |
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| 03:57.03 | \amethyst | Solet: Like all domain names, it's most-specific part first, so 2.1.0 |
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| 03:58.58 | Solet | \amethyst: that's what i was leaning towards, but none of my cheat sheets or help docs showed anything above a level C subnet... so all the ptr's were just 1 number -_- |
| 04:00.15 | \amethyst | Solet: when you want to define foo.bar.baz.com, you don't write bar.foo, do you? |
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| 04:00.29 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 04:00.38 | Azar | yay! |
| 04:01.51 | Azar | 32bit GNU/Linux distributions are not running the extra RAM in newer machines, um Debian too.. ? |
| 04:03.26 | undesktop | err what extra ram |
| 04:03.40 | \amethyst | Azar: you need a -bigmem or -amd64 kernel to use >4G on 32-bit debian |
| 04:04.12 | Azar | hi \amethyst :) oh well here says about it: http://www.linux.com/feature/119287 |
| 04:04.31 | Azar | since I don't think I have 1 GiG, it does not apply to me.. |
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| 04:04.35 | Azar | for this box |
| 04:04.53 | \amethyst | Azar: etch has 4G highmem turned on in the -686 and -k7 kernels |
| 04:05.04 | \amethyst | I don't think that was true in the Sarge default kernels |
| 04:05.06 | undesktop | btw. this channel is not a tech help channel or so, it's about os development |
| 04:05.33 | Azar | hahahahahahahaha! |
| 04:05.34 | simonrvn | undesktop: excuse me? |
| 04:05.41 | simonrvn | undesktop: *BZZT* |
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| 04:05.47 | sine | hi |
| 04:05.52 | sabri48_sys | hola |
| 04:06.05 | sine | how can i reboot without acpi |
| 04:06.05 | Azar | ok be back later... |
| 04:06.09 | undesktop | simonrvn: damn you've woken me up and now I see I've written this into the wrong window |
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| 04:06.30 | simonrvn | i guess you needed waking up |
| 04:06.34 | sabri48_sys | habla alguien en castellano? |
| 04:06.49 | undesktop | it's 6 am here anyway |
| 04:06.59 | sine | i mean i dont want it permanently off i just want to see if sonypi works properly without acpi |
| 04:07.21 | \amethyst | sine: you use grub or lilo? |
| 04:07.24 | sine | its fucking 5am here i have to be at work at 7 i cant go to sleep |
| 04:07.25 | sine | grub |
| 04:07.34 | sine | default etch netinstall config |
| 04:08.35 | \amethyst | sine: either way you append noacpi to the kernel parameters |
| 04:08.47 | sine | hmm |
| 04:09.05 | sine | how do i do that now |
| 04:09.15 | sine | how do i edit the kernel params |
| 04:09.27 | sine | is there a singular file |
| 04:09.38 | sine | a superduper kernel boot mode config file |
| 04:09.54 | \amethyst | sine: if you only want to do it once, you can press e at the boot menu |
| 04:10.00 | sine | ok thanks |
| 04:10.03 | Wyzard | sine: I've gone to work with one hour of sleep before... |
| 04:10.18 | sine | ive done it before as well but its not fucking nice at all |
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| 04:10.27 | undesktop | Wyzard: did you survive this? |
| 04:10.35 | sine | usually because ive been doing coke the night before |
| 04:10.41 | Wyzard | undesktop: I was working in a deli, with meat slicers, and managed to not cut any fingers off |
| 04:11.01 | Wyzard | undesktop: I figured one hour was better than none at all |
| 04:11.07 | sine | but i hate doing it with fucking big bags under my eyes and feeling so tired. early shift is terrible when i have my days off im up so late |
| 04:11.33 | undesktop | but 1 hour is really less |
| 04:11.37 | sine | yea normally i would have gone for the hour but i know im not gonna get to sleep |
| 04:11.58 | sine | its 05:10 i have to be at work for like 06:45 |
| 04:12.22 | sine | ive had 4 days off and been staying up really late |
| 04:12.23 | sine | anyways |
| 04:12.27 | sine | brb reboot |
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| 04:13.10 | Selenolycus | Anyone know of a good CLI-only music client that can play mms:// streams? |
| 04:13.19 | undesktop | mplayer |
| 04:14.38 | Supaplex | Nyle: wassup? |
| 04:14.45 | Supaplex | !seen nyle |
| 04:14.46 | dpkg | nyle is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 153 messages. Is idling for 50m 45s, last said: 'simonrvn: hey there'. |
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| 04:16.13 | yggdrasil | whats the cmd to proc my cpu tempurature ? |
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| 04:16.42 | yggdrasil | uh c at even |
| 04:16.43 | simonrvn | the what to what? |
| 04:17.15 | yggdrasil | what do i cat to see my cpu tempurature |
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| 04:17.48 | \amethyst | yggdrasil: you run the program sensors |
| 04:18.07 | \amethyst | yggdrasil: in package lm-sensors |
| 04:18.45 | yggdrasil | i got a serious problem with this laptop, the fans not coming on |
| 04:19.08 | yggdrasil | ishing i had can of air |
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| 04:19.19 | sine | didnt understand the comman |
| 04:20.06 | Wyzard | yggdrasil: You have a pair of lungs though... worth a try :-) |
| 04:20.13 | yggdrasil | aha i jsut did that |
| 04:20.18 | yggdrasil | while i was laoding that package |
| 04:20.21 | yggdrasil | i think it did work |
| 04:20.51 | yggdrasil | hmm ssensors isnt picking up any sensors |
| 04:20.57 | yggdrasil | actualy, i did something dumb earlier today |
| 04:21.07 | yggdrasil | this thing had been overheating when i compiled |
| 04:21.12 | yggdrasil | and shutting down. |
| 04:21.28 | yggdrasil | so today ireally wanted to compile something so i sprayed it with compressed air, upsidown |
| 04:21.39 | yggdrasil | and sprayed all that liquid in it. |
| 04:21.43 | Geoff--- | whoops |
| 04:21.51 | yggdrasil | i think it screwed up either the fan or, the sensor |
| 04:22.08 | Geoff--- | better than it screwing your sister i guess |
| 04:22.25 | yggdrasil | aye |
| 04:22.36 | yggdrasil | i think ill take it apart to see if its the fan or the sensors |
| 04:22.37 | Geoff--- | probably not by much though, if it was a nice laptop ;) |
| 04:22.41 | yggdrasil | would there be a way to |
| 04:22.47 | yggdrasil | force the fan to start ? |
| 04:22.50 | yggdrasil | from cmd line ? |
| 04:22.57 | Geoff--- | doubt iut |
| 04:23.07 | yggdrasil | bah bbl |
| 04:23.08 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 04:23.09 | Geoff--- | anyway.. bye bye internet. i'm off to have some fun installing debian on a fakeraid :P |
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| 04:24.27 | simonrvn | !tell Bluebit -about root |
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| 04:26.38 | force | i seem to be missing the syscall man pages, what package are they in? |
| 04:26.46 | \amethyst | force: manpages-dev |
| 04:26.50 | force | ta |
| 04:27.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell force -about search |
| 04:27.05 | \amethyst | or manpages-posix-dev |
| 04:27.05 | Aeroraptor | can I change the default file manager from nautlis to thunar? |
| 04:27.20 | force | i've been searching.. |
| 04:27.37 | dondelelcaro | force: the bit about apt-file or packages.debian.org would have given you the answer |
| 04:27.50 | force | not when i dont know what im searching for |
| 04:27.59 | dondelelcaro | force: sure it would |
| 04:28.05 | force | i installed gcc-docs & glibc-docs thinking that would do it |
| 04:28.13 | dondelelcaro | force: you know the syscall manpage would be in the package that has the syscall manpage |
| 04:28.25 | dondelelcaro | force: so you search for packages that contain files named syscall* |
| 04:29.22 | ShockSMX | tetex or texlive? |
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| 04:29.33 | ShockSMX | anyone here have a preference? which one is better? |
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| 04:29.48 | dondelelcaro | ShockSMX: the latter is going to completely replace the former in short order. |
| 04:29.59 | dondelelcaro | ShockSMX: so, texlive. |
| 04:30.00 | \amethyst | at least in debian |
| 04:30.04 | ShockSMX | thanks |
| 04:30.06 | dondelelcaro | well, pretty much everywhere |
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| 04:30.13 | ShockSMX | so they're like CVS and SVN? |
| 04:30.14 | dondelelcaro | since tetex isn't being developed any longer |
| 04:30.17 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 04:30.18 | chimera7 | Hey guys |
| 04:30.22 | Aidis | what usb wireless cards are supported in monitor mode and natively with prism? |
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| 04:30.37 | chimera7 | quick one for any network gurus listening |
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| 04:31.25 | dondelelcaro | force: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=syscall&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any FE, is the search that you'd want to see. |
| 04:31.53 | simonrvn | !tell Bbit -about root |
| 04:31.54 | chimera7 | is there any way I can trace the route of a packet that is sent to a particular port on a server instead of the default udp port that traceroute uses? |
| 04:32.04 | \amethyst | chimera7: tcptraceroute |
| 04:32.19 | chimera7 | ah cool you can specify a port? |
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| 04:32.38 | \amethyst | chimera7: if it's UDP you can just give traceroute the -p port option |
| 04:32.49 | timrose | I need to find a cure to uncypher these hidden texts with the correct font, I'm looking, and installing and still... I need the quick fix |
| 04:33.11 | chimera7 | ok i see yeah its tcp |
| 04:33.17 | \amethyst | chimera7: for tcptraceroute you specify the port after the destination |
| 04:33.46 | \amethyst | chimera7: tcptraceroute foo.bar.com 80 |
| 04:34.06 | chimera7 | amethyst: your a champ mate |
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| 04:34.42 | \amethyst | chimera7: actually, I guess that syntax depends on the variant |
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| 04:35.47 | chimera7 | ok no probs |
| 04:36.11 | chimera7 | Im actually stuck with a Suse server cause I use scalix for this client |
| 04:36.24 | chimera7 | i'll have to track down a version |
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| 04:37.40 | \amethyst | I had never really noticed how... tangled... the alternatives system for the various traceroute packages is |
| 04:37.59 | Selenolycus | hmm is there no way to run vlc in CLI only? |
| 04:38.55 | Solet | what file is it that i modify so that my router will see my machines hostname? |
| 04:40.11 | dondelelcaro | Solet: depends on your router. |
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| 04:40.30 | Solet | dlink and/or linksys |
| 04:40.31 | dondelelcaro | Solet: you either add it to /etc/hosts, add it to your local dns server, or do something else. |
| 04:40.35 | Wyzard | Solet: Usually that happens when the computer sends its hostname as part of the DHCP request, which Debian's DHCP client doesn't do by default |
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| 04:40.54 | Wyzard | Solet: Edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 04:40.58 | Wyzard | Solet: man dhcp-options |
| 04:41.24 | Solet | got it |
| 04:41.26 | Solet | thanks |
| 04:42.14 | undesktop | oh, when we're at: why does my dhcp client listen on port bootpc? |
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| 04:42.31 | undesktop | (that dhcp client is started by ifup) |
| 04:42.31 | Wyzard | because that's the port that DHCP clients use |
| 04:42.38 | Wyzard | DHCP is an extension of BOOTP |
| 04:43.03 | Wyzard | and BOOTP has a port to be used by clients ("bootpc") and a port to be used by servers ("bootps") |
| 04:43.13 | undesktop | why does it need it? |
| 04:43.21 | Wyzard | so it can receive responses from the DHCP server |
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| 04:44.02 | debianwannabe | Hi again, forced again to use the synonym distro, i am having the same problem, it doesn't get the desktop (GNOME) after debian install, although i have access to command line |
| 04:44.16 | tonsofpcs | anyone know the name of the default ntp client on sarge? |
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| 04:44.52 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: "ntp", which I think depends on some other things (like "ntp-simple") |
| 04:45.16 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: There's also ntpdate, but that's Simple NTP -- a one-shot clock setting, rather than a daemon that runs continuously and keeps the clock correct |
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| 04:45.34 | debianwannabe | i have an NVIDIA, HP dv6000 and cannot access the desktop |
| 04:45.57 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: You don't want "ntp-refclock" -- that's an alternative to ntp-simple which supports talking to a hardware radio clock to learn the current time |
| 04:46.10 | tonsofpcs | aI set up a ntp client a while ago, but it hasn't run since reboot and i'm not sure how to reconfigure it |
| 04:46.19 | tonsofpcs | ntp*: ntpdc ntpq ntpsweep ntptrace |
| 04:46.24 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: /etc/ntp.conf |
| 04:46.54 | force | for some reason when i type in vi and press the up arrow in insert mode it prints an A, is that because of the terminal emulation? |
| 04:47.16 | Wyzard | force: No, that's because you're in insert mode and it's trying to type the control codes emitted by the keyboard when you press a direction key |
| 04:47.36 | force | it never used to do that |
| 04:47.40 | Wyzard | force: You should uninstall nvi (the "bug-for-bug clone" of classic vi) and install vim instead -- that's greatly improved, and lets you use the arrow keys in insert mode |
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| 04:47.54 | force | oh. |
| 04:48.15 | Wyzard | force: If you already have vim installed, you might have activated its vi-compatibility mode somehow, but I've never gotten in that mode so I wouldn't know how to get it out of it |
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| 04:48.29 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: Which model of video card? |
| 04:48.29 | force | oh okay. thanks |
| 04:48.46 | \amethyst | vim-tiny will do that if you start it as "vi" |
| 04:48.50 | \amethyst | in Debian, that is |
| 04:49.08 | \amethyst | (since vim-tiny is a debian thing) |
| 04:49.22 | force | oh right |
| 04:49.26 | Wyzard | \amethyst: not on my system |
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| 04:50.07 | \amethyst | Wyzard: your vi alternative is set as vim.tiny? Or you're faking its argv[0] ? |
| 04:50.09 | Wyzard | At any rate, if it's in vi-compatibility mode I'm pretty sure it says so on the info screen that it shows you when you launch it without a file to edit |
| 04:50.19 | Wyzard | so just run "vi" and read what it says |
| 04:50.25 | tonsofpcs | ah, thanks, the servers I was using no longer accept public requests. Replaced. Now how do I force an update? |
| 04:50.51 | debianwannabe | Wyzard:nVidia GeForce Go 6150 graphics |
| 04:51.00 | Wyzard | \amethyst: ah, apparently the alternative points at vim-basic, which is in the "vim" package |
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| 04:51.47 | force | :\ |
| 04:51.56 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: hmm, that should work with both the free "nv" driver and the proprietary "nvidia" driver in etch, AFAIK |
| 04:52.04 | \amethyst | Wyzard: does it? |
| 04:52.12 | tonsofpcs | Wyzard: how can I force a ntp update? |
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| 04:53.11 | Wyzard | \amethyst: oops, I misread the reverse deps in aptitude... it's recommended by vim-common |
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| 04:53.43 | Wyzard | \amethyst: It recommends all the versions as alternatives of each other, which is kinda silly since aptitude won't remove unneeded ones by default |
| 04:54.52 | debianwannabe | wyzard: well the problem is that i can't get the GNOME, the most i can do is accessing command line as root, but i can't install drivers from there (or at least i think so) |
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| 04:55.27 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: "can't get the GNOME" doesn't say much about what the problem might be... what happens when you try? |
| 04:56.02 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: Stop the running ntpd, and run "ntpd -g -q" |
| 04:56.22 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: That makes it do a one-shot update, and forces it to set the clock even if it's very different from the network time |
| 04:56.44 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: (Ordinarily if the times are too different, ntpd assumes something weird is going on and doesn't change the clock) |
| 04:56.52 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: Then start the background ntpd again |
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| 04:57.49 | debianwannabe | wyzard: sorry, well It gets the GRUB, then continue loading Debian, after that some problems, when changing to desktop (GNOME), the login screen, the screen gets in black |
| 04:58.29 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: Before or after you see the graphical login screen? |
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| 04:58.50 | tonsofpcs | it's not launching :( |
| 04:59.05 | debianwannabe | wyzard: before, isn't launching at all |
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| 04:59.11 | d0n2k | can anyone tell me the package name of the mozilla plugin that enables plugins |
| 04:59.17 | d0n2k | i think it's called mozilla something |
| 04:59.25 | tonsofpcs | plugins |
| 04:59.34 | d0n2k | mozillaplugins? |
| 04:59.42 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages |
| 04:59.45 | tonsofpcs | mozilla-plugins |
| 05:00.01 | d0n2k | thanks |
| 05:00.35 | tonsofpcs | hmm, ntp isn't updating :( |
| 05:01.28 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: When you run "ntpd -g -q", it'll sit still for awhile (maybe 30 seconds or so) and then return to your prompt |
| 05:01.34 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: I don't think it prints any messages when it succeeds |
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| 05:02.38 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: The delay is so it can synchronize with the server and take several round-trip measurements so it can estimate (and try to correct for) the lag in the communication with the NTP server |
| 05:02.53 | ziroda1 | Can someone help me get my Linksys WPC11 v3 PCMCIA to work. Its based on orinoco/prism |
| 05:03.07 | tonsofpcs | Wyzard: it's not showing up in ps, and it's not updating my clock |
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| 05:04.17 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: It aborts if the clock is too far off from the real time, so that could explain why you don't see it in ps |
| 05:04.23 | Wyzard | tonsofpcs: but the "ntpd -g -q" should fix that |
| 05:04.28 | tonsofpcs | yea, i'm 20 min off |
| 05:04.50 | tonsofpcs | thanks :) |
| 05:04.52 | tonsofpcs | it's running FG |
| 05:04.55 | tonsofpcs | and set |
| 05:04.57 | tonsofpcs | 2007-09-22 01:04:56.803992000 UTC-0400(1190437496)y2007w38d265 |
| 05:05.05 | Wyzard | I think the limit is 1000 seconds, which is about 15min |
| 05:05.14 | Wyzard | so your 20min difference would be why the daemon wasn't starting |
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| 05:05.33 | debianwannabe | wyzard: what do i have to check in the log file? |
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| 05:06.23 | debianwannabe | wyzard: it does not have any warnings |
| 05:06.29 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: Look for lines beginning with (EE) -- those are errors |
| 05:06.35 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: and what do the last few lines say? |
| 05:06.57 | jonesy__ | has anyone else had problems with gnome in debian sid today? |
| 05:07.17 | jonesy__ | after a dist-upgrade I've got broken configure dependancies |
| 05:07.19 | simon | trying to upgrade sarge to etch, I get some error messages replacing /etc/apt/sources.list with "deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" before running an aptitude update: http://pastebin.ca/706723 |
| 05:07.31 | Wyzard | jonesy_: not I |
| 05:07.46 | Wyzard | jonesy_: configure dependencies of what? |
| 05:08.06 | debianwannabe | wyzard: i'll try to paste the last 6 lines |
| 05:08.12 | debianwannabe | (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" |
| 05:08.14 | Wyzard | jonesy_: Note that sid is in the middle of a transition to GNOME 2.20 |
| 05:08.16 | debianwannabe | (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0) |
| 05:08.16 | debianwannabe | (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor genérico" |
| 05:08.16 | debianwannabe | (**) | |-->Device "nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go]" |
| 05:08.16 | debianwannabe | (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard" |
| 05:08.16 | debianwannabe | (**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse" |
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| 05:08.17 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: Use a pastebin |
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| 05:08.52 | jonesy__ | which is the paster obt? |
| 05:09.12 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: If that's the end of the long, it hasn't even tried to start the video driver... in my X log, those lines are in the first screenful of output, and the file should be many pages long |
| 05:09.28 | Wyzard | !paste |
| 05:09.28 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 05:09.48 | debianwannabe | dpkg: excuse me |
| 05:09.54 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: dpkg is a bot |
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| 05:10.13 | debianwannabe | (owwww) |
| 05:10.25 | debianwannabe | first time using irc |
| 05:10.29 | Wyzard | !what are you |
| 05:10.29 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:10.38 | debianwannabe | wyzard |
| 05:10.58 | debianwannabe | wyzard: what can be the problem? |
| 05:11.02 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: Anyway, if that's all that's in your log, I can't think of what the error might be |
| 05:11.06 | simon | blootbot? amazing. I thought it'd died. I wonder if BoBot++ still exists. :) |
| 05:11.16 | Wyzard | debianwannabe: It looks like Xorg is failing very early, before it gets to doing anything with drivers |
| 05:11.32 | Wyzard | so it's probably not an nVidia issue |
| 05:12.11 | stew | dondelelcaro: not yet. (xinerama) |
| 05:12.42 | dondelelcaro | stew: ah, ok |
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| 05:12.42 | stew | my dual monitorsetup is two identical monitors, so i get away with having a vertical split |
| 05:13.05 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, that's my setup too, but I'm often not getting the split right |
| 05:13.06 | stew | dondelelcaro: the plwm upstream says he's gotten it mostly there though, so it should be there soon |
| 05:13.39 | stew | dondelelcaro: well since right now you have to actually drag the split bar to resize, it stays put |
| 05:14.04 | debianwannabe | wyzard: mmm, i am googling , i am going to modify some grub settings |
| 05:14.16 | debianwannabe | wyzard: anyway, thanks for your help |
| 05:16.48 | dondelelcaro | stew: dragging is hard. ;-) |
| 05:17.51 | stew | i know. its quick to implement though :) |
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| 05:19.11 | stew | now that a lot of people recently put their eyes on it, my todo list trippled, and unfortunately the in-laws are in town this weekend which means i'll get through practically none of it |
| 05:19.31 | stew | i got my frirst two patches though |
| 05:20.02 | dondelelcaro | heh. cool. |
| 05:20.12 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's one of the nice things of having more users is users who contribute |
| 05:20.29 | dondelelcaro | (and luckly, the niche that your WM is in is narrow enough that a good fraction of people are people who can) |
| 05:21.56 | stew | heh, yeah |
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| 05:25.17 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm wondering if anyone can help me find an appropriate photo transfer & management application for etch. |
| 05:25.17 | blahdeblah | I've tried: f-spot, digikam, picasa, gthumb, and each of these has specific problems that make it infeasible: |
| 05:25.53 | blahdeblah | - f-spot crashes when it tries to pull in my photo library |
| 05:25.53 | blahdeblah | - digikam chews all of my memory and grinds the system to a halt whenever i import photos |
| 05:26.06 | blahdeblah | - picasa doesn't support exif on PTP cameras |
| 05:26.48 | blahdeblah | - gthumb requires you to select every image folder individually, rather than allowing you to select from a stream, and it names the folders for their import date rather than the picture date |
| 05:26.54 | blahdeblah | Any suggestions? :-) |
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| 05:29.07 | rking | how much would you expect to have to pay (monthly + per/transaction) for credit card processing? i'm a total greenhorn and would like to figure out an estimate. |
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| 05:29.25 | rking | sorry for asking the wrong channel, this is as close to a general expert pool as i know of |
| 05:29.35 | simon | rking, depends on the location of the service. have you looked? |
| 05:29.55 | rking | simon: i don't exactly know how to look - so many of these darned services seem to require calling to get quotes |
| 05:30.12 | rking | i just want to know the order of magnitude, and these guys are obscuring it. |
| 05:30.46 | rking | it would be nice if there was an open-friendly vendor that wasn't all commercialfied (even though it is commercial, and i expect to pay, i'd like to deal with one with open philosophical roots) |
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| 05:31.53 | SiliconViper | rking, monthly fees range all over the place, but processing fees tend to be either a flat percentage (usually 3.9% - 7.9%), or a fixed fee ($0.30) plus a lesser percentage (2.9%+) |
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| 05:32.16 | rking | SiliconViper: thanks. Any favored vendors? |
| 05:32.24 | simon | rking, PBS announce some prices. I think a lot of gateways go through PBS: |
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| 05:33.15 | SiliconViper | rking, had good experiences with CCNow. |
| 05:33.24 | simon | rking, at this local one, it's $65/month, but I think it can be done cheaper. |
| 05:33.28 | Solet | for a machine that's directly connected to the cable modem, with a static ip, how do i set it up? i know the address, gateway, and mask go in /etc/network/interfaces, but where do i put in the dns servers my isp gave me? |
| 05:33.45 | rking | SiliconViper/simon: superthanks. |
| 05:34.00 | rking | i'm just glad to know it's not $650/mo and 39%. |
| 05:34.26 | rking | (and also not $6.50 and 0.39%) |
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| 05:35.04 | simon | rking, CCNow is $10 signup, 5% on gross sales + $0.50 per transaction |
| 05:36.30 | rking | cool. |
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| 05:37.11 | SiliconViper | rking, watch out, though. If you're doing less than $100 in business per month, they hit you with another $9.95 charge. |
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| 05:37.58 | Tallu | SiliconViper: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:38.19 | SiliconViper | Tallu, hmm? Need a hand with something? |
| 05:38.31 | Tallu | SiliconViper: ehm, sorry. |
| 05:38.37 | Tallu | Solet: that was for you |
| 05:38.39 | SiliconViper | Oh, wrong autocomplete? |
| 05:38.41 | rking | SiliconViper: good to know, but in this case i think the $0.50/transaction is probably a bigger risk than the $100 (lots of smallish transactions (mean=$20, stddev=$10) |
| 05:38.45 | Tallu | SiliconViper: yeah, i haven't woken up yet |
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| 05:39.05 | SiliconViper | Tallu, no worries, it happens. |
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| 05:39.55 | simon | rking, I bet the 5% are worth more than the $.50s |
| 05:40.23 | SiliconViper | rking, I suppose, but a fixed per-transaction fee is only affecting you when you make sales. ;p The $10 hits you if you don't. |
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| 05:41.37 | rking | simon: yes, but like simonviper's logic, the 5% is only kicking in significantly with big sales, but i'm worried about a stack of darned <$1.00 purchases... |
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| 05:46.10 | Solet | Tallu: next question (and hopefully last for a while)-- on the machine that's directly on the modem, for it's private interface that goes to the switch. what do i set the default gateway to in /etc/network/interfaces? the same as the public interface? or do i set it to its own ip? |
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| 05:50.49 | jonesy_ | Solet: you don't set it, you only need one default gw per machine |
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| 05:51.57 | Solet | jonesy: even for a router machine? |
| 05:52.50 | jonesy_ | yep |
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| 05:58.02 | Solet | can you have more than one subnet per interface? i'm using 10.0.x.x for the servers, 10.1.x.x for my machines, 10.2.x.x for my roomis, and 10.3.x.x for wifi, but i dont know if i need to put those in subnets or not. in the interfaces file theres a "broadcast" param, but i know each subnet also needs its own broadcast ip |
| 05:58.25 | Solet | 10.3.x.x will be its own subnet, and on a different machine but i dont know about the others that are all on the same machine |
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| 05:59.21 | Solet | and if the others all go in one subnet, how do i specify the subnet 10.0.0.0-10.2.255.255? |
| 05:59.22 | valdyn | Solet: that's really one subnet |
| 05:59.25 | valdyn | Solet: not 3 |
| 05:59.30 | Solet | k |
| 06:00.02 | Solet | how do you write that subnet and it's mask? |
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| 06:00.31 | Guerin | Solet: ipcalc |
| 06:00.31 | \amethyst | you can't, because 2 isn't 1 less than a power of two |
| 06:00.51 | Guerin | ipcalc tells all |
| 06:01.09 | valdyn | claudio`: 255.252.0.0 or somesuch |
| 06:01.36 | valdyn | Solet: 255.252.0.0 or somesuch |
| 06:01.51 | Solet | \amethyst: wha? "2 isnt 1 less than a power of 2" <-- i'm confused |
| 06:02.09 | Solet | valdyn: but what about the subnet definition thing? |
| 06:03.10 | geo-rge | Solet: what is a power of 2? |
| 06:03.12 | \amethyst | Solet: ipcalc -r 10.0.0.0 10.2.255.255 => 10.0.0.0/15 and 10.2.0.0/16. you need two subnets to cover it |
| 06:03.15 | valdyn | Solet: 1 is a bit you can mask, 2 is one, 3 is a bad choice, that should be a 4 for instance |
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| 06:03.25 | Lovecraft | Where are the targets for dpkg-reconfigure listed? |
| 06:03.42 | geo-rge | interesting question |
| 06:04.29 | geo-rge | could you also post that question to debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:06.12 | Solet | valdyn: is there any way i can change it up to get one subnet? I'm not hellbent on having 10.3.x.x be my wifi, i can use a different one and make the 10.0.0.0 10.2.255.255 bigger if that means one subnet can define it |
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| 06:06.48 | valdyn | Solet: why dont you just use the whole 255.0.0.0 ? |
| 06:07.07 | Solet | what would i use for my wifi subnet then? |
| 06:07.16 | valdyn | Solet: any fragment from that |
| 06:07.22 | Solet | o.O |
| 06:07.24 | valdyn | Solet: any sub subnet |
| 06:07.30 | valdyn | Solet: or whatever you want to call it |
| 06:07.31 | Solet | you can do that? |
| 06:07.46 | valdyn | Solet: that's what makes internet possible |
| 06:08.23 | Solet | so on my router i could have subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 and on my wifi AP box i can have subnet 10.3.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0? |
| 06:08.39 | valdyn | Solet: right |
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| 06:09.22 | Solet | that's awesome. for as insanely complicated as this shit is... some times it makes it self really easy doesnt it =/ |
| 06:10.24 | Solet | for 10.0.0.0 what's my broadcast address? |
| 06:10.33 | Solet | 10.255.255.254? |
| 06:10.36 | JeremyK | depends on your netmask |
| 06:10.44 | Solet | 255.0.0.0 |
| 06:10.55 | JeremyK | 10.255.255.255 in that case |
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| 06:15.04 | grendelson | msg dpkg etch-lenny |
| 06:15.14 | grendelson | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 06:15.26 | grendelson | sheesh |
| 06:15.42 | DocPlatypus | grendelson: suffering from CTWS? |
| 06:15.59 | geo-rge | carpal tunnel without slashes? |
| 06:16.24 | grendelson | I've been staring at screeen all day! |
| 06:16.34 | grendelson | sice 5am (and it's 1am the next day :-P |
| 06:16.46 | DocPlatypus | CTWS = Can't Type Worth Shit |
| 06:16.47 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.49 | simon | grendelson, ditto, except with 8AM :) |
| 06:16.56 | grendelson | sheesh that's what I get for gettin gexcited about a project again. |
| 06:17.13 | simon | there were two hours where I was assembling IKEA tables. |
| 06:17.17 | grendelson | running debian on SLUG, finally got my music server moved from my gaming machine to my slug. very nice |
| 06:17.40 | grendelson | now to move my movie database and all will be well. |
| 06:17.55 | grendelson | this machine can become a true gaming machien again instead of sort of a server. |
| 06:18.06 | geo-rge | what's a slug |
| 06:18.17 | grendelson | NSLU2 |
| 06:18.24 | DocPlatypus | indeed, what the quack is a SLUG? |
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| 06:18.40 | simon | I'd think some kind of LUG :) |
| 06:18.52 | geo-rge | the S kind! |
| 06:18.55 | grendelson | debian on ARM (NSLU2 network app- sharing huge honking USB hd |
| 06:19.10 | DocPlatypus | ah |
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| 06:19.19 | grendelson | the nslu2 with linux is referred to as a slug. |
| 06:19.42 | geo-rge | is this a small box? |
| 06:19.59 | grendelson | very nice having my entire server running on one little network app with no moving parts - of course I wanted more disk than avail from a USB fob so I added a large HD - so it is moving... |
| 06:20.16 | uttara | Does debian 4.0 support Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 06:20.32 | geo-rge | it supports amd64 |
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| 06:20.41 | valdyn | uttara: yes, though probably not many mainboards on board stuff |
| 06:20.42 | grendelson | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ <-- there is a picture of the NAS device here... |
| 06:20.47 | geo-rge | but that doesn't necessarily answer your question (two different archs) |
| 06:21.27 | uttara | I think, support for core 2 duo started only in Linux 2.6.20 |
| 06:21.44 | valdyn | core 2 duo needs no special support |
| 06:22.13 | jetscreamer | he means aside from the motherboard... |
| 06:23.31 | uttara | So is it ok if I download the amd64 version? |
| 06:23.50 | geo-rge | no that won't work for intel |
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| 06:24.36 | geo-rge | grendelson: how much storage does it have inside the box? |
| 06:24.40 | valdyn | uttara: it should work |
| 06:25.00 | valdyn | uttara: i cant tell if your onboard sound / network / whatever will be supported |
| 06:25.08 | uttara | Apart from amd64 do I have any other choice? |
| 06:25.25 | valdyn | uttara: amd64 and i386 both should work |
| 06:25.43 | jetscreamer | !c2d |
| 06:25.47 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 06:25.47 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
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| 06:26.12 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:26.47 | grendelson | geo-rge, The internal flash is pretty small (64MB I think maybe more) but it is flashable to put a tiny linux flash or you do what many folks do and ADD a big USB stick or dirve and run from it! |
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| 06:28.34 | Rothgar | I have a problem with my MySQL installation |
| 06:28.46 | Rothgar | I install MySQL from source to enable SSL |
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| 06:29.17 | jetscreamer | you installed mysql so you could enable ssl.... |
| 06:29.25 | jetscreamer | from source no less |
| 06:29.27 | Rothgar | I am trying to use openSSL and not yassl when I run mysqladmin it says SSL is TRUE but the have_openssl variable shows DISABLED |
| 06:29.43 | Solet | is resolv.conf's comment character a # like most other config files? |
| 06:29.44 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 06:29.54 | jetscreamer | yes iirx |
| 06:29.55 | jetscreamer | c |
| 06:29.58 | Rothgar | it was working fine under mysql-server-4.1 |
| 06:30.06 | Rothgar | My FreeBSD box is having no problems |
| 06:30.15 | Rothgar | Just the deb box :| |
| 06:30.20 | geo-rge | grendelson: how many eth ports does it have |
| 06:30.43 | Rothgar | I have been trying to fix this for the last like 6 hours |
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| 06:31.32 | JordiGH | Anyone have any ntfs-3g horror stories? |
| 06:31.41 | JordiGH | Is it 100% reliable? |
| 06:31.52 | JordiGH | Data is at stake. Music and porn, mostly, but still. |
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| 06:32.26 | jetscreamer | i've not had a problem yes JordiGH ... many gigs of vids |
| 06:32.28 | grendelson | geo-rge, One built in wired eth but 2 USB so one could house a wireless. I never tried that |
| 06:32.29 | geo-rge | did I hide under a rock for awhile while microsoft opened their source for ntfs? |
| 06:32.32 | jetscreamer | s/yes/yet/ |
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| 06:33.01 | JordiGH | geo-rge: No, but maybe you hid under a rock for 12 years while they reverse-engineered ntfs. :P |
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| 06:35.40 | Solet | ok so if resolf.conf is set up to where you enter in a nameserver for a specific search.... where do you put in your primary and secondary DNS servers provided by your isp? |
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| 06:38.01 | JordiGH | Uh. Colour me stupid, but isn't a nameserver a DNS? |
| 06:38.07 | JordiGH | DNS = domain nameserver. |
| 06:38.16 | jetscreamer | they go in resolv.conf |
| 06:38.19 | jbm | what on earth are you talking about |
| 06:38.32 | Rothgar | Anyone able to help me with my MySQL :( |
| 06:38.36 | JordiGH | jbm: I guess I'm stupid, then. |
| 06:38.36 | jetscreamer | esoteric networking |
| 06:38.44 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 06:38.49 | jetscreamer | we're all stupid |
| 06:38.52 | rvalles | only weird people actually use DNS |
| 06:38.52 | jbm | no probably not stupid, just misinformed |
| 06:39.02 | jetscreamer | there is no intelligent life on this planet |
| 06:39.05 | rvalles | people normally just type in the ips |
| 06:39.05 | jetscreamer | !dns |
| 06:39.09 | jbm | man resolv.conf |
| 06:39.28 | Solet | man resolv.conf says that each nameserver entry needs a search entry with it |
| 06:39.29 | Rothgar | Isn't DNS Domain Name Service? |
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| 06:39.46 | jetscreamer | no it's dynamic nomenclature services |
| 06:40.25 | geo-rge | JordiGH: so they did it finally and completely? no possibility microsoft could change a little thing and screw everyone using it? |
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| 06:40.45 | jetscreamer | it works well with super mario tekken player |
| 06:40.56 | geo-rge | Solet: not true |
| 06:41.06 | jetscreamer | microsoft? change?? |
| 06:41.10 | jetscreamer | haha |
| 06:41.24 | Azar | EU tries breaking it up |
| 06:41.43 | geo-rge | so you haven't been on the wrong side of an api change |
| 06:42.03 | jetscreamer | it happens so frequently, you're right, what was i thinking |
| 06:42.09 | Rothgar | Would my MySQL not be working because I am on Debian 4.0 or why is it so screwed |
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| 06:42.37 | geo-rge | installed it as a package? |
| 06:42.49 | jetscreamer | so who releases faster, i've never noticed: debian or msft |
| 06:42.50 | Solet | geo-rge: "name servers may be listed, one per keyword." |
| 06:42.56 | Rothgar | geo-rge: How can I install openSSL then? |
| 06:43.02 | jetscreamer | which snail is faster |
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| 06:43.10 | Rothgar | I am installing it as a package but I have to compile from source |
| 06:43.11 | JordiGH | geo-rge: I don't know if it works with Vista. But yes, Microsoft may love to mangle Linux user's data and then blame ntfs-3g. That would be a pretty good ploy for them, actually. |
| 06:43.13 | geo-rge | Solet: the keyword is "nameserver" |
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| 06:43.26 | Rothgar | apt-get source mysql-server-5.0 |
| 06:43.37 | Solet | oh -_- |
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| 06:43.41 | Rothgar | tehn I build the binary and install |
| 06:44.14 | geo-rge | JordiGH: well the ploy is on the part of the ntfs-3g folks... the response to that ploy is for ms to make some tiny change |
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| 06:44.21 | geo-rge | and they do it for the money of course |
| 06:44.28 | ompaul | Rothgar, why build when you can apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 06:45.00 | geo-rge | ompaul: on etch? |
| 06:45.09 | ompaul | arg |
| 06:45.16 | jetscreamer | backports? |
| 06:45.33 | Rothgar | ompaul: I need to enable openSSL for MySQL??? |
| 06:45.33 | jetscreamer | aim for corner, more gratifying |
| 06:45.56 | geo-rge | why use mysql at all, when there is postgres |
| 06:46.00 | Rothgar | AKA --with-openssl |
| 06:46.06 | jetscreamer | oracle FTW! |
| 06:46.26 | Rothgar | geo-rge: Because I need to replicate data |
| 06:47.06 | jetscreamer | only mysql does replication, didn't you know that? |
| 06:47.10 | jetscreamer | sheesh |
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| 06:47.33 | geo-rge | oh, forgot about that... hey what's that plone thing? |
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| 06:47.46 | antaro | hi |
| 06:47.47 | simon | how do I change the kernel boot order under grub? |
| 06:47.55 | jetscreamer | it's a web content thing... zope/plone |
| 06:48.03 | JordiGH | simon: besides editting /etc/fstab, you mean? |
| 06:48.21 | jetscreamer | you would edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, not fstab |
| 06:48.25 | geo-rge | that's not the boot order file |
| 06:48.34 | geo-rge | yeah that's the boot order file :) |
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| 06:48.37 | JordiGH | Er, yes. menu.lst |
| 06:48.37 | jetscreamer | and move your changes out of the debian automagic section |
| 06:48.37 | simon | jetscreamer, I am, then running update-grub and it resets the order. |
| 06:48.43 | jetscreamer | simon ^^ |
| 06:48.58 | geo-rge | simon: why bother? |
| 06:48.58 | jetscreamer | read the comments in the file |
| 06:49.00 | JordiGH | I knew that. I'm simultaneously trying to fix someone else's problem with a drive not being mounted. I swear. :-) |
| 06:49.15 | geo-rge | JordiGH: likely story :P |
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| 06:49.24 | simon | geo-rge, server autobooting from time to other. I'd like to keep the old image handy if the new one is messed up. |
| 06:49.30 | ompaul | simon, /boot/grub/menu.lst has those entries, and the order in there is a little important, the interesting line for you is the one with the word "Default 0" change that number to 1 and it goes to the second entry and so forth |
| 06:49.38 | JordiGH | simon: update-grub reads the comments in menu.lst to edit menu.lst. |
| 06:49.38 | antaro | people what is the init scipt that controll the log boot in the screen? |
| 06:49.41 | Rothgar | jetscreamer: I never said anything about that I need to replicate with an existing MySQL server |
| 06:49.45 | jetscreamer | simon: the old image is there till you delete it |
| 06:49.45 | geo-rge | simon: do you use savedefault? |
| 06:49.54 | jetscreamer | Rothgar: ignore me |
| 06:50.00 | jetscreamer | my sql-fu is weak |
| 06:50.06 | simon | geo-rge, yes. |
| 06:50.19 | simon | ompaul, okay. |
| 06:50.26 | geo-rge | so again the answer to why bother is? :) |
| 06:50.34 | geo-rge | not sure I understand, if you can |
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| 06:50.59 | geo-rge | set the savedefault, it will save which one you booted last |
| 06:51.10 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 06:51.14 | jetscreamer | i told you what to do |
| 06:51.16 | simon | geo-rge, it's located remotely, so I can't manually select this :) |
| 06:51.18 | antaro | anyone? |
| 06:51.21 | jetscreamer | and move your changes out of the debian automagic section |
| 06:51.40 | simon | ah. |
| 06:51.43 | jetscreamer | antaro: you mean you want to enable bootlog? |
| 06:51.51 | antaro | no |
| 06:51.58 | jetscreamer | antaro: iirc you edit a file in /etc/default.. oh ok nm |
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| 06:52.21 | antaro | i want to enalbe some color on boot :) |
| 06:52.40 | antaro | is the same default? |
| 06:52.53 | antaro | or /etc/init.d/bootlogd? |
| 06:53.04 | simon | one question; the update-grub isn't essential to run, is it? it seems like just a program that rebuilds the MAGIC part. |
| 06:53.08 | antaro | or... |
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| 06:53.26 | geo-rge | simon: that's true, but certain things do run it |
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| 06:56.37 | athena | i downloaded debian etch + xfce4 but xfdesktop is crashing and i have to issue it in a treminal to get my icons back do i have to upgrade my xfce4 desktop or how can i repair it ... version 4.3.99.2 (Xfce 4.4 RC2) |
| 06:56.46 | athena | hello |
| 06:56.50 | JordiGH | Hi. |
| 06:56.52 | JordiGH | I'm reading. |
| 06:57.02 | JordiGH | Your question, that is. |
| 06:57.56 | JordiGH | Funny, I've had the same problem with kdesktop on my old computer. I get a cryptic error message, "file protocol died unexpectedly". |
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| 07:03.21 | athena | hey where can i find testing repositories for debian etch ? |
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| 07:04.34 | JordiGH | athena: Before you consider upgrading your Xfce to fix what looks like a bug, have you confirmed that this bug has been reported and fixed in newer versions? |
| 07:05.15 | Selenolycus | Can someone help me out? I am trying to play a URL in mplayer, http://ponzo..net/kfi/ - but it won't work. Works fine in VLC, but mplayer has problems with it. |
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| 07:06.46 | Solet | why is netstat -an showing me a hand full of ipv6 addresses? :( |
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| 07:08.21 | czeroX | i was reading on how to set a proxy to bitchx, it says that i should go /set socks_host and /set socks_port |
| 07:08.41 | czeroX | is that all i have to do? |
| 07:08.52 | czeroX | and where could i get the proxy |
| 07:08.56 | czeroX | ? |
| 07:09.02 | athena | JordiGH: if i googled it a bit i would be able to fix things up .. i have to run xfdesktop in treminal to get desktop icons probabaly a file missing frim somewhere and i saw some seg fault due to that ... probbably upgrading word fix this ? |
| 07:09.08 | Coweater | i've got a kind of weird thing happening with sdl apps, when they initialize sometimes they'll scramble the X display ( http://silenceisdefeat.org/~coweater/sdl.jpg ), Switching to a terminal and back gets X back to normal, but that's kind of a nuisance, anybody seen this before and know a fix? |
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| 07:10.04 | athena | sarts: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free like that ? |
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| 07:10.24 | JordiGH | athena: Are you addressing me? Yes. |
| 07:10.51 | JordiGH | athena: But do you want to upgrade all of your system to testing just to update one package? |
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| 07:11.44 | czeroX | how can i use a proxy on bitchx? |
| 07:11.57 | athena | will it upgarde every thing |
| 07:12.08 | athena | apt-get -t testing install xfce4 <---- this commad ? |
| 07:12.16 | athena | JordiGH: ? |
| 07:12.52 | markybob | athena: it'll upgrade what it needs to to satisfy xfce4. or you could do apt-get build-dep xfce4 && apt-get source -b xfce4 to try to backport it |
| 07:13.27 | JordiGH | athena: The testing binaries are built against the testing libc6, the library upon which pretty much all of Debian depends on. If you upgrade xfce, then it'll drag the testing libc6, so you'll essentially have to update almost all of Debian, or at least everything important. |
| 07:13.27 | valdyn | athena: have you looked at http://www.backports.org/ ? |
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| 07:14.46 | JordiGH | I am seeing a bunch of bug fixes related to crashes in xfce 4.4. Upgrading the etch xfce may indeed be the solution. |
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| 07:15.52 | Solet | anyone know why my /etc/network/options file would not exist? |
| 07:16.09 | JordiGH | Solet: why would it? |
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| 07:16.19 | markybob | Solet: yeah...it's not a required file ... ? |
| 07:16.28 | Solet | because http://aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm said it'd be there |
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| 07:16.53 | athena | JordiGH: do i use back ports i just reinstall xfce4 ? |
| 07:17.08 | valdyn | custom iptables scripts are teh suck |
| 07:17.11 | JordiGH | athena: Yes, try that. |
| 07:17.26 | athena | prior o later ? |
| 07:17.27 | markybob | Solet: read what it says. "if it doesnt, edit the file and add it on" ....so create a file and add it |
| 07:17.28 | JordiGH | Solet: Observe that webpage talks about the 2.4 kernel as if it were the new kid in town. |
| 07:17.32 | athena | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.34 | athena | or* |
| 07:17.54 | JordiGH | athena: I can't read your patches. What was the original sentence? :-) |
| 07:18.04 | valdyn | Solet: the webpage sucks, its telling wrong stuff |
| 07:18.22 | athena | do i try the backport solution or do i try to reinstall xfce4 ? |
| 07:18.59 | JordiGH | athena: Reinstalling is unlikely to fix anything unless you've been messing with the xfce4 configuration files yourself and want to restore the default configuration files. Try to backport. |
| 07:19.09 | athena | :> |
| 07:19.29 | Solet | JordiGH, valdyn: will that firewall/proxy/nat script not work? do you know a page you'd suggest instead of this one? |
| 07:19.35 | valdyn | Solet: spoof protection can be set in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 07:20.24 | valdyn | Solet: depending on what you want to do you should use a suitable firwall tool/framework. Iptables scripts can be hell to maintain and debug |
| 07:21.16 | markybob | Solet: look into http://shellter.sf.net/ |
| 07:21.57 | valdyn | i'd prefer something that is packaged in debian... |
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| 07:22.04 | markybob | then learn how to use iptables |
| 07:22.31 | Solet | it'll be a fairly open firewall, i'm running a web server or 2, an irc server, ftp, ssh on everything. |
| 07:22.37 | valdyn | Solet: i use shorewall, but that is probably overkill for you |
| 07:22.47 | valdyn | Solet: there's various smaller tools |
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| 07:22.54 | markybob | like shellter |
| 07:22.58 | Solet | how light is shorewall, the machine is a pentium2 |
| 07:23.07 | valdyn | Solet: its not lite |
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| 07:23.17 | athena | valdyn: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C ? |
| 07:23.18 | streuner | !info shorewall |
| 07:23.36 | valdyn | athena: im sure backports.org has instructions |
| 07:24.03 | athena | kk |
| 07:24.05 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall), a high-level tool for configuring Netfilter), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 1380 kB |
| 07:24.17 | valdyn | Solet: really depends on what you want to do. |
| 07:24.19 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 07:24.19 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 07:24.30 | valdyn | Solet: that's the most simple solution ^^ |
| 07:24.45 | Solet | but wouldnt just a NAT leave everything wide open? |
| 07:24.57 | markybob | Solet: yes. use shellter. |
| 07:24.59 | valdyn | Solet: no? |
| 07:25.40 | Solet | i'm not too worried about the servers... they'll be secure enough... but the windows desktops on the network would get raped without a firewall |
| 07:25.47 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 07:25.49 | JordiGH | !rape |
| 07:25.49 | dpkg | methinks rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level. |
| 07:25.50 | valdyn | Solet: no |
| 07:25.57 | valdyn | Solet: you don't seem to understand this |
| 07:26.09 | Solet | that i'll readily admit |
| 07:26.14 | tomacco | nat is a decent defense |
| 07:26.21 | valdyn | Solet: everything _behind_ a nat is not directly reachable from the internet |
| 07:26.52 | tomacco | !assfarmer |
| 07:26.55 | markybob | that's so unbelievably wrong |
| 07:27.27 | markybob | valdyn: you're the one who doesnt seem to understand anything |
| 07:27.42 | valdyn | markybob: uh, i know what i am talking about |
| 07:27.57 | markybob | yes, we can all tell. talk some more shit just in case everyone isnt convinced |
| 07:28.13 | athena | ok done |
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| 07:28.26 | valdyn | markybob: being offensive shouldnt convince anyone. |
| 07:28.38 | JordiGH | athena: And it worked? |
| 07:28.39 | Solet | marky: valdyn has been helping my n00b ass quite a bit tonight... go troll some where else, im trying to learn this shit |
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| 07:28.55 | athena | now |
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| 07:29.13 | markybob | Solet: you, being a newbie, shouldnt call anyone a troll. you have no idea who i am. i've been in this channel for 8 years. who the fuck are you? |
| 07:29.24 | JordiGH | rvalles: Pfft, everybody says "we're thick skinned" "We can take it" "be brutally honest". Yeah they all think that until you go ahead and do it. Then they turn on you with "you went too far" "oh how could you!" and "that was my sacred cow!" |
| 07:29.31 | athena | wait i now have to install it |
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| 07:29.36 | athena | do i apt-get build-dep xfce4 && apt-get source -b xfce4 |
| 07:29.41 | athena | or |
| 07:29.46 | JordiGH | rvalles: Don't step on my sacred cow, and I won't step on yours. |
| 07:30.06 | athena | apt-get -t etch-backports install “package†? |
| 07:30.15 | JordiGH | athena: backports.org has the newer stuff compiled to work with etch. The apt-get build-dep thing is for building it. |
| 07:30.15 | markybob | athena: it'd be faster to just get the backports |
| 07:30.21 | JordiGH | athena: So the latter. |
| 07:30.30 | athena | later it is |
| 07:30.56 | rvalles | JordiGH: moo |
| 07:31.13 | JordiGH | rvalles: :-) |
| 07:31.15 | athena | lapi:/etc/apt# apt-get -t etch-backports install xfce4 |
| 07:31.15 | athena | Reading package lists... Done |
| 07:31.15 | athena | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 07:31.15 | athena | xfce4 is already the newest version. |
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| 07:31.37 | Solet | q valdy |
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| 07:31.44 | athena | sorry |
| 07:31.47 | Solet | gah.. i cant type |
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| 07:32.35 | JordiGH | athena: apt-cache policy xfce4 |
| 07:32.56 | JordiGH | athena: What's installed and what are the available candidates? |
| 07:33.15 | athena | sorry Installed: 4.3.99.2 Candidate: 4.3.99.2 |
| 07:33.22 | athena | lol |
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| 07:34.02 | JordiGH | athena: Hm, I'm seeing that the backports.org xfce has a lower version number than etch! |
| 07:34.04 | athena | so i'll have to stay with this and fix it or ...try testing ... |
| 07:34.24 | JordiGH | athena: No, try now to get the testing xfce4 and build it. |
| 07:34.41 | JordiGH | athena: What version number did apt-cache policy give you for backports? |
| 07:35.09 | JordiGH | 4.2.2bpo3 ? |
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| 07:36.50 | bagualas | if I want to install a debian server, witch DVD I have to download? I have to download all 3 isos? |
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| 07:37.21 | valdyn | Solet: installing ipmasq does what http://aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm does, with the difference that ipmasq configures itself automagically |
| 07:37.35 | markybob | bagualas: download the netinstall cd |
| 07:37.39 | JordiGH | bagualas: No. You probably only want the netinstall cd. |
| 07:38.14 | bagualas | hummmmm |
| 07:38.19 | bagualas | thanksss guys =D |
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| 07:38.32 | bagualas | will it run on a K6-2 500mhz with 64MB raM? |
| 07:38.37 | markybob | yes |
| 07:38.38 | JordiGH | A server? |
| 07:38.46 | bagualas | yeah, just a router srver |
| 07:38.50 | markybob | yes |
| 07:38.57 | bagualas | with a small firewall =P |
| 07:39.02 | JordiGH | The ram is a little tight. |
| 07:39.06 | JordiGH | But I guess you're not running X. |
| 07:39.16 | markybob | bagualas: sigh. you'll be fine. |
| 07:39.26 | bagualas | i'll not run X =D |
| 07:40.07 | dutchfish | are there any packages to synchronize a ramdisk with a partition on disk? i want to have a database in ram. |
| 07:40.07 | bagualas | thanks guys =) |
| 07:40.07 | valdyn | dutchfish: packages? |
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| 07:40.09 | valdyn | dutchfish: what's wrong with cp? why bother at all? |
| 07:40.20 | Solet | and ipmasq has a firewall? |
| 07:40.29 | dutchfish | valdyn, i need a syncing in realtime |
| 07:40.37 | valdyn | dutchfish: what's the point? |
| 07:40.53 | valdyn | dutchfish: linux does caching quite well by itself. |
| 07:41.14 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok enlighten me ... i am missing a clue here |
| 07:42.00 | bagualas | markybob, just to confirm, is this one? debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:42.07 | markybob | dutchfish: then use raid-0. what the hell ? |
| 07:42.14 | valdyn | Solet: ipmasq adds nat for the computers behind the router ( adds internet connection sharing ). The router itself does not get firewalled by this. |
| 07:42.14 | JordiGH | Don't we have a r2 now? |
| 07:42.16 | markybob | bagualas: yes |
| 07:42.28 | bagualas | marc\cba, only 160mb ? xD |
| 07:42.29 | dutchfish | ok, can i use raid-0 with a partition and a ramdisk? |
| 07:42.46 | JordiGH | bagualas: It's a bare-bones install. It'll pull packages from the net as it needs them. |
| 07:42.53 | dutchfish | aprpopos the ramdisk is 8 G in size |
| 07:43.23 | markybob | bagualas: yes |
| 07:43.37 | Solet | valdyn: would i be better off to get another machine to run a firewall and nat, then run the dhcp/dns on the machine i'm working on now? |
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| 07:43.40 | valdyn | Solet: you seemed to want to protect those windows boxes.. They are not directly without nat and with nat. |
| 07:43.56 | bagualas | uhum =)I think I already saw this one... also installed... but couldnt remember where I got the cd =) |
| 07:43.58 | bagualas | thanks a lot |
| 07:44.04 | valdyn | They are not directly accessible without nat and with nat. |
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| 07:44.27 | valdyn | Solet: that's a good plan if those machines are always on.. |
| 07:44.41 | JordiGH | What's the exact version number of etch after the August update? |
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| 07:44.52 | JordiGH | Is it 4.0r1 or 4.0r2? |
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| 07:45.25 | JordiGH | Oh, I guess it's 4.0r1 |
| 07:45.29 | markybob | r1 |
| 07:45.46 | Solet | how easily will ipmasq come off? i dont have the extra machine right now, but i'll be getting it monday... and i want to get this running ^_^ |
| 07:45.59 | valdyn | Solet: Windows boxes behind nat are 'endangered' only by the windows users accessing the wrong sites. You cant easily protect them with a firewall |
| 07:46.17 | valdyn | Solet: its 'aptitude install ipmasq' |
| 07:46.50 | JordiGH | Can't you make it impossible to access wrong sites? |
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| 07:47.05 | markybob | yes |
| 07:47.22 | valdyn | Solet: there's a few things you can do to protect windows users, like educating them, installing a personal firewall, forcing the use of a proxy, blocking specific sites |
| 07:47.27 | JordiGH | No 4chan for the Windows users! |
| 07:47.31 | tomacco | give me a list of wrong sites |
| 07:47.35 | tomacco | all of em |
| 07:47.43 | Solet | the windows users on this network are myself and my roomie |
| 07:47.53 | Solet | we're both computer literate :P |
| 07:47.55 | JordiGH | tomacco: I'll give you a list of the good sites. Intranet and Wikipedia. The way the Internet was meant to be. |
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| 07:48.09 | JordiGH | tomacco: Everything else is off limits. |
| 07:48.29 | markybob | tomacco: http://portal.spidynamics.com/blogs/msutton/archive/2007/01/04/A-Tour-of-the-Google-Blacklist.aspx |
| 07:48.39 | tomacco | yeah, those are nice and all... some say those are why the internet was created... i say boobs were the reason the internet was created |
| 07:48.46 | tomacco | and boob sites have malware |
| 07:48.51 | tomacco | so its a paradox |
| 07:48.59 | valdyn | Solet: doesnt make sense to use more than nat really in that case. Privoxy is kinda neat to block unwanted content. ( though it can get in the way too ) |
| 07:49.10 | JordiGH | tomacco: Boobs can't hurt Debian. :-) |
| 07:49.22 | tomacco | enjoying the internet without attempted infection is difficult for windows users |
| 07:49.25 | tomacco | exactly |
| 07:49.38 | tomacco | this is why i am free to enjoy internet boobs |
| 07:49.42 | markybob | tomacco: yes. back in the day before graphics were even on the interent, the US defense department decided that it was important to have boob accessed from computer. |
| 07:49.55 | tomacco | right... ascii boobs |
| 07:50.03 | tomacco | (*) |
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| 07:50.15 | Solet | hmmm.... in terms of "correct", would it be better to run an external firewall, nat and router, then the public side servers, then an internal firewall before the "home network"? and would i need another router behind the second firewall or could the first router continue through the internal firewall and through the second swtich |
| 07:50.44 | markybob | Solet: buy a book. trusting people over irc for "security" information is really very ...uh...dumb |
| 07:50.53 | zewb | DCC SEND linuxisreallyfuckinggay 0 0 0 |
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| 07:51.00 | valdyn | Solet: depends on your budget |
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| 07:51.06 | JordiGH | I think I've trusted #debian to give me an apt key once. Oh noes! |
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| 07:51.29 | ix | interesting. |
| 07:51.29 | merus | It's amazing that there are clients still affected by that. |
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| 07:51.39 | JordiGH | What happened? |
| 07:51.40 | markybob | zewb: for fuck's sake, at a / at the start |
| 07:51.53 | Solet | merus: it's more than likely an old linksys switch |
| 07:51.58 | JordiGH | I thought it was a netsplit, which I've never seen in Freenode. |
| 07:52.05 | zewb | DCC SEND linuxisreallyfuckinggay 0 0 0 |
| 07:52.09 | markybob | JordiGH: they happen all the time on freenode |
| 07:52.19 | dimir | Noone to ban the fscker? |
| 07:52.23 | markybob | !ops zewb spamming |
| 07:52.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: markybob complains about: zewb spamming |
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| 07:52.29 | ix | JordiGH: for how many hours have you used frenode? |
| 07:52.29 | Selenolycus | Aside to mplayer (which isn't working for me) what other ncurses/cli media clients are there for mms streams? |
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| 07:52.36 | merus | Solet: Oh, right the linksys thing. Not the client. |
| 07:52.36 | dimir | LOL |
| 07:52.38 | markybob | dimir: there :) |
| 07:52.44 | dimir | markybob: thanks. :-) |
| 07:52.50 | JordiGH | ix: Maybe I just haven't noticed. |
| 07:53.14 | Solet | markybob: i'm not trusting people on irc for security... otherwise i would have pasted my network map already... i'm just trying to learn this shit |
| 07:53.40 | ix | faliure is the best way to learn, you know! |
| 07:53.52 | JordiGH | Solet: if you give us your root password, we'll be better equipped to help you. |
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| 07:54.20 | JordiGH | So what did zweb do that managed to confuse all those clients? |
| 07:54.31 | JordiGH | Or routers, whatever. |
| 07:54.39 | markybob | tomacco: here http://sb.google.com/safebrowsing/update?version=goog-black-url:1:1 |
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| 07:54.48 | Solet | it's the old startkeylogger thing |
| 07:54.50 | markybob | tomacco: all of those are "bad" sites |
| 07:55.14 | JordiGH | That's a lot of phishing sites. |
| 07:55.16 | Solet | an old symantic antivirus would also kill your connection if it saw the text |
| 07:55.16 | valdyn | JordiGH: all? |
| 07:55.17 | markybob | yes |
| 07:55.21 | valdyn | JordiGH: how many ? |
| 07:55.26 | Solet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:55.30 | valdyn | JordiGH: that's unbelievable |
| 07:55.35 | tomacco | thx, i are safe now |
| 07:55.51 | markybob | i are...that's good. |
| 07:55.52 | JordiGH | zweb: I count 8 clients that seemed to have had their connection reset by peer. |
| 07:55.59 | JordiGH | Er, valdyn ^^ |
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| 07:56.00 | Solet | because back in teh day seeing "DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 1" meant your ass was being exploited |
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| 07:56.33 | valdyn | JordiGH: ah, just 1% |
| 07:58.09 | JordiGH | Strangely enough, the best description I can seem to find is from Encyclopedia Dramatica. |
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| 07:59.02 | undesktop | wat |
| 07:59.15 | undesktop | Selenolycus: so why's mplayer not working? |
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| 08:03.03 | uwe | hello,since yesterday ive been trying to figure out why my pure-ftpd config with mysql backend is not working, i can see the queries in the mysql log and can get just the desired results, still im getting authentication failure when i do ftp ... ive tried passind -d / setting VerboseLog, but still no additional info (maybe on this level) , can anyone suggest how to debug that further ? |
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| 08:04.08 | markybob | uwe: no, besides telling you to use vsftpd. that's what kernel.org, opensuse, fedora, and most other large sites use, so it's certainly good enough for yours ' |
| 08:04.47 | uwe | hmmm ... i see ... |
| 08:05.08 | uwe | pure-ftpd looked nice though ... :( |
| 08:05.12 | uwe | thank you markybob |
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| 08:07.28 | uwe | markybob, does pureftpd has a bad reputation ?? |
| 08:08.04 | markybob | uwe: i dont know anything about pureftpd. i know vsftpd has a great reputation and that's what i use. |
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| 08:09.20 | dutchfish | i asked a few minutes aga about ramdisk and caching to disk. I found a better solution to my problem: if i do this: cat /path/database > /dev/null the database is in cache for a very short time. If i repeat this within 2 minutes it stays in cache. The big question is WHY? |
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| 08:10.26 | markybob | dutchfish: because the more you use something the longer it stays in memory.... |
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| 08:10.52 | dutchfish | markybob, perfectly right. But where can i inlfuence this behavior? |
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| 08:11.30 | markybob | dutchfish: http://rackerhacker.com/2007/08/08/mysqls-query-cache-explained/ |
| 08:11.37 | lwolf | hi, is there a way to pass the make -j5 option to dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 08:11.51 | lwolf | (without modyfing the rules file ? |
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| 08:12.09 | dutchfish | markybob, very nice but my database isnt MySQL |
| 08:12.16 | markybob | dutchfish: what is it? |
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| 08:12.38 | JordiGH | lwolf: Is that a gcc option? A CFLAG? |
| 08:13.04 | dutchfish | markybob, its a sybase database, but this doesnt answer my question |
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| 08:13.06 | lwolf | JordiGH, a make option to make use of N jobs : -j5 = 5 jobs for a quad core cpu ;D |
| 08:13.17 | JordiGH | lwolf: Right, just found it in the make docs... |
| 08:13.55 | dutchfish | markybob, what i need is some way of managing the disk-caching of the kernel |
| 08:14.18 | lwolf | JordiGH, i'm not very familiar with make, so i don't know of the envars it use |
| 08:14.34 | markybob | dutchfish: then you're in the wrong place. lkml is where you should be directing your question. but i guarantee you they'll tell you to look to sybase's cache options |
| 08:14.57 | JordiGH | lwolf: I'm trying to figure out who sets the MAKE var in the rules file. |
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| 08:15.33 | dutchfish | markybob, ok, so there is no way to (as an example) to flush out the cache and reclaim its emmory? |
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| 08:16.45 | JordiGH | lwolf: Right, this seems to have worked: "MAKE="make -j5" debian/rules binary" (or whatever other target from the rules file you want to build) |
| 08:17.10 | dutchfish | markybob, thx so far, i will further investigate this issue |
| 08:17.15 | JordiGH | lwolf: assuming the package you're building has a minimally hacked rules file. |
| 08:17.54 | lwolf | JordiGH, hum but this will not build directy the deb file, but thanx ! |
| 08:17.55 | lwolf | ;) |
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| 08:18.41 | JordiGH | lwolf: Actually, it should. |
| 08:19.12 | dutchfish | markybob, so far i have improved sybases speed by increasing the read-ahead of the disk... but i can much more when i could manage the disks cache |
| 08:19.24 | lwolf | JordiGH, hum, really ? |
| 08:19.29 | lwolf | thanx !!! |
| 08:19.33 | markybob | lwolf: if you edit CFLAGS or CXFLAGS environment variables to what you want, dpkg-buildpackage will obey that |
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| 08:19.57 | JordiGH | lwolf: It just won't GPG sign it or create a backup directory and create a .dsc file and all that good stuff that dpkg-buildpackage does, but it'll give you something you can install. |
| 08:19.59 | uwe | markybob, sorry to bother you , and yes, im looking at it myself too, but what i want to have is 1)quota support 2)hackable mysql backend , it seems that i can get the mysql backend through PAM, but i cant find anything about disk usage quota, do you any idea about that ? |
| 08:20.20 | lwolf | JordiGH, hum, ok, thanx for the tip |
| 08:20.22 | uwe | i mean using vsftpd |
| 08:20.35 | lwolf | markybob, i'm willing to change make options, not gcc ones |
| 08:20.44 | JordiGH | markybob: It's not a CFLAG. It's not a flag for gcc, but for make. |
| 08:21.12 | markybob | uwe: no, i dont know. |
| 08:21.43 | JordiGH | maybe we should make dpkg aware of MAKEFLAGS. :-) |
| 08:21.52 | Selenolycus | undesktop: It just doesn't want to load a particular URL |
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| 08:22.41 | uwe | markybob, it seems it doesnt work : http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14791 |
| 08:23.42 | markybob | uwe: no idea. i've never had to worry about that. sorry |
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| 08:23.56 | _uplinkd_ | anyone know of any other linux web programming suites ala bluefish and quanta? |
| 08:24.18 | lwolf | JordiGH, by the way : MAKE="/usr/bin/make -j5" dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot seems to work very well too |
| 08:24.28 | markybob | _uplinkd_: good ones? not really. that's nvu |
| 08:24.35 | JordiGH | lwolf: Yeah, I thought it should. |
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| 08:24.41 | markybob | _uplinkd_: s/that's/there's |
| 08:24.49 | JordiGH | markybob: nvu is abandoned. |
| 08:25.05 | lwolf | JordiGH, yeap but a fork exists |
| 08:25.09 | lwolf | :D |
| 08:25.12 | markybob | JordiGH: which is why i started that with "good ones?" :) |
| 08:25.32 | JordiGH | How about the Mozilla suite? Seamonkey? |
| 08:26.12 | lwolf | markybob, JordiGH : try : http://www.kompozer.net/ |
| 08:26.21 | JordiGH | !info kompozer |
| 08:26.27 | uwe | well :) ill try starting all over again ... if anyone knows how to debug pureftpd with mysql backend further than setting the -d/VerboseLog and looking at the query log on mysql-server, i have been trying to figure out why my config is failing since yesterday, and im unable to get any further with debugging , all i get is a non-helpful message of "authentication failure" |
| 08:28.43 | JordiGH | Hm. So it isn't packaged. |
| 08:29.11 | lwolf | JordiGH, hum, if nvu is packaged, it should not be a hard work to package komposer |
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| 08:29.48 | JordiGH | I think nvu was packaged. |
| 08:29.53 | JordiGH | But it's not anymore. |
| 08:30.17 | JordiGH | This is weird. Wikipedia says version 0.7.10 is final. |
| 08:30.24 | JordiGH | So they're going to abandon it again? |
| 08:31.19 | markybob | why not? there's no point to any web programming suite. html is simple as fuck and if you cant do it in gedit or vi or whatever your preference is, then you probably shouldnt be doing it |
| 08:31.39 | markybob | but that's just my personal opinion |
| 08:32.35 | JordiGH | A day will come when writing all code will be obsolete and we'll just be able to *tell* our computers what we want and they'll do it. |
| 08:32.52 | JordiGH | Then they'll rebel and enslave humanity, but for a while, it will be good. |
| 08:32.57 | markybob | JordiGH: yeah? and who will program the program that you tell what to do ? :) |
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| 08:33.20 | markybob | s/will/will tell |
| 08:33.27 | Eulex | markybob, the computers? |
| 08:33.28 | markybob | blah |
| 08:33.34 | markybob | heh |
| 08:33.50 | troubled | JordiGH: ha |
| 08:34.41 | markybob | selfish advertisement warning |
| 08:34.42 | JordiGH | Yeah, Wiki is just wrong. It's not the final version. Project webpage says they have a testing 0.8 and an unstable 0.9 branch. |
| 08:34.45 | markybob | !deluge |
| 08:34.45 | dpkg | from memory, deluge is a pygtk bittorrent client co-developed by our very own markybob. visit http://www.deluge-torrent.org for more |
| 08:34.46 | markybob | :p |
| 08:34.55 | JordiGH | Oh, yeah? |
| 08:34.59 | JordiGH | !maint qtoctave |
| 08:35.03 | dpkg | qtoctave: Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <jordigh@gmail.com> |
| 08:35.06 | JordiGH | So there. |
| 08:35.10 | markybob | heh |
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| 08:35.18 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
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| 08:35.51 | SmallR2002 | what's the best way of creating an empty meta-package to fool another package into believing something it thinks it needs (but doesn't) is installed? |
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| 08:36.07 | JordiGH | SmallR2002: What are you trying to do? |
| 08:36.22 | Eulex | SmallR2002, equivs, but what are you doing? |
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| 08:36.34 | troubled | SmallR2002: equivs perhaps? |
| 08:37.02 | markybob | yep. |
| 08:37.04 | markybob | !equivs |
| 08:37.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 08:37.18 | SmallR2002 | mmmnk, i'll explain, i've used m-a to build a module for me, as i'm lazy, but i've hand built a kernel, the module depends on the kernel which isn't deb'd |
| 08:37.25 | SmallR2002 | sounds like the stuff |
| 08:37.34 | JordiGH | Oh, a legitimate use. |
| 08:37.50 | JordiGH | I thought you were trying to override apt because you mucked it up in the first place. It happens. :-) |
| 08:37.58 | dutchfish | markybob, recemtly it seams that lkml had picked up the same idees i have: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/29/148 (very intresting) |
| 08:38.00 | markybob | SmallR2002: you build your own kernel but dont build your own module? wtf is that about? |
| 08:38.49 | markybob | that's some silly shit |
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| 08:41.18 | Zeit|awy | ae there deb's for latest e1000 modules somewhere? |
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| 08:41.33 | codynotes | Does someone know of a tutorial for getting a USB hard drive to work in Debian? |
| 08:41.49 | troubled | codynotes: how far are you so far? |
| 08:41.54 | Eulex | (1) plug it in (2) mount it ? |
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| 08:41.56 | dutchfish | codynotes, automount? |
| 08:42.09 | markybob | codynotes: there's nothing to do. tail -f /var/syslog, connect it, see which device it receives, mount that. ? |
| 08:42.13 | codynotes | I have no idea how it should even work, never mind what to do to make it work |
| 08:42.23 | markybob | codynotes: just told you |
| 08:42.34 | GarryFre | It should just pop up on your desktop when you plug it in. |
| 08:42.35 | codynotes | markybob: OK, thanks, let me try that |
| 08:42.46 | codynotes | GarryFre: I'm not using X |
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| 08:43.23 | troubled | codynotes: apt-get install usbmount |
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| 08:44.06 | troubled | codynotes: although there is an issue with vfat. it wont auto mount those fs types by default due to vfat sync bug of sorts |
| 08:44.20 | Zeit|awy | or anyone has an idea why the onboard intel-nic's onyl run with 100mbit? |
| 08:44.45 | dutchfish | Zeit|awy, wich one? |
| 08:44.53 | troubled | Zeit|awy: is it plugged into a 100mbit switch? |
| 08:44.57 | obsethryl | anyone handy with initramfs knowledge? |
| 08:45.12 | Zeit|awy | 07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB DPT LAN Controller Copper [8086:1096] (rev 01) |
| 08:45.12 | Zeit|awy | 07:00.1 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB DPT LAN Controller Copper [8086:1096] (rev 01) |
| 08:45.13 | obsethryl | i am having trouble with a premount i want to do |
| 08:45.36 | Zeit|awy | connected to a netgear gigabit switch |
| 08:45.58 | Zeit|awy | e1000 loads, but mii-tool gives 100mbit |
| 08:46.11 | codynotes | troubled: Thanks, this seems like exactly what I need! |
| 08:46.13 | troubled | Zeit|awy: perhaps mii-diag package can help? |
| 08:46.14 | GarryFre | codynotes What about Y? I'm not sure, but incase it's still auto mounting, you might find the drive under /media or /mnt |
| 08:46.24 | Zeit|awy | and after copying 1,7T for 22h.. |
| 08:46.29 | GarryFre | codynotes Joking about the Y. |
| 08:46.34 | codynotes | ;) |
| 08:46.39 | troubled | codynotes: np. but remember about vfat. you need to uncomment vfat in its conf file for it to auto mount those |
| 08:47.02 | codynotes | troubled: What is vfat? |
| 08:47.15 | troubled | codynotes: think fat32 (window fs) |
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| 08:47.35 | codynotes | troubled: Oh, okay. No need for that, luckily ;) |
| 08:47.37 | troubled | codynotes: most likely the fs you will run into on say a usb memstick |
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| 08:47.48 | troubled | so when it doesnt mount, you will know why ;) |
| 08:48.00 | Zeit|awy | mii-diag says all fine, but simply max. 100 |
| 08:48.01 | codynotes | troubled: OK |
| 08:48.09 | dutchfish | Zeit|awy, does it have POW? |
| 08:48.20 | Zeit|awy | pow? |
| 08:48.41 | dutchfish | Zeit|awy, or power over ethernet |
| 08:48.47 | troubled | poe? |
| 08:49.01 | dutchfish | troubled, yes my typo |
| 08:49.09 | troubled | ok, just wonderin |
| 08:49.25 | Zeit|awy | the switch? |
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| 08:50.06 | ilona | !find chroot |
| 08:50.07 | dutchfish | Zeit|awy, troubled runned in a simular issue when not using shielded cables on a supermicro machine |
| 08:50.08 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'chroot' (9): chrootuid ;; dchroot ;; dchroot-dsa ;; fakechroot ;; libapache2-mod-chroot ;; libpam-chroot ;; mod-chroot-common ;; schroot ;; schroot-common. |
| 08:50.24 | troubled | Zeit|awy: you running cat 5e+? |
| 08:50.28 | Zeit|awy | the machine is a supermicro with 3TB-raid.. |
| 08:50.40 | troubled | least i think giga is 5e, anyone confirm that? |
| 08:50.50 | codynotes | troubled: Should I be able to access a drive that's formatted with HPFS (the OS X filesystem)? |
| 08:50.51 | Eulex | or 6 |
| 08:50.53 | Zeit|awy | the machines is directly connected with a shielded cable |
| 08:51.05 | troubled | Eulex: thus the +, but 5e is the min yes? |
| 08:51.10 | codynotes | Or do I need to install another package, or is it just not possible? |
| 08:51.11 | dutchfish | troubled, confirmed |
| 08:51.14 | troubled | aye |
| 08:51.14 | Eulex | troubled, I think so. |
| 08:51.32 | troubled | Zeit|awy: are you just using standard cat5 perhaps? |
| 08:52.09 | Zeit|awy | the cable is the same we use on other machines and at least my sun's and mac's run them with gigabit |
| 08:52.32 | troubled | Zeit|awy: and you said mii-diag reported a max of 100? |
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| 08:53.14 | troubled | i cant remember if it reports all or just current though since my nics dont have the mii transceiver doodad on em to test for ya though |
| 08:53.16 | Zeit|awy | hmm.. I think that's the problem: Your link partner advertised c5e1: Flow-control 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx 10baseT-FD 10baseT, w/ 802.3X flow control. |
| 08:53.24 | markybob | codynotes: is that the same as hfs or extended hfs? |
| 08:53.43 | troubled | Zeit|awy: perhaps try a diff port on the switch? |
| 08:53.49 | ilona | gah! |
| 08:54.08 | ilona | wrong chan |
| 08:54.10 | Zeit|awy | have a second one over there, will try, but 90km away.. ^^ |
| 08:54.32 | Zeit|awy | gtg there anyway today |
| 08:54.51 | codynotes | markybob: Yeah, sorry, I meant HFS+ |
| 08:55.15 | markybob | codynotes: then yes, it should work, if you're using a debian kernel. it's built with modular support for hfs and hfs+ |
| 08:55.34 | codynotes | markybob: Hmm, it doesn't seem to working then |
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| 08:55.53 | Zeit|awy | HFS+ -support isn't really that great anyway |
| 08:56.37 | markybob | codynotes: try mount -t hfs /dev/foo /mnt |
| 08:56.54 | Zeit|awy | Ardis still says it's beta.. |
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| 08:59.37 | markybob | codynotes: or try modprobe hfsplus && mount /dev/foo /mnt |
| 08:59.50 | codynotes | markybob: What should foo be? The syslog didn't say anything when the USB device was plugged in |
| 09:00.00 | codynotes | I'm running lenny |
| 09:00.48 | markybob | codynotes: foo is the device name and partition. syslog should've said something like sdb1 or sda1, for example. |
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| 09:03.33 | thyko | hello all |
| 09:03.37 | thyko | where can i get the best tutorial on linux clustering? |
| 09:03.50 | markybob | thyko: which method? |
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| 09:04.07 | troubled | thyko: tldp.org perhaps, try clustering or perhaps beowulf if you know what type you need |
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| 09:08.20 | codynotes | markybob: Here's what the syslog said when I plugged in the drive: http://pastie.caboo.se/99659. What in there is the device name? |
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| 09:09.05 | troubled | codynotes: sdf{1,2,3,4} |
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| 09:09.21 | markybob | codynotes: --^ |
| 09:09.40 | codynotes | markybob: Which one is it? 1, 2, 3, or 4? |
| 09:09.49 | troubled | codynotes: if you installed usbmount, it should have mounted under /media/usb0 or usb1 etc |
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| 09:10.02 | codynotes | troubled: I did install usbmount, but it doesn't mount anything under there. |
| 09:10.22 | codynotes | markybob: I did 'mount -t hfs /dev/sdf1 /mnt', and I get this: 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdf1' |
| 09:10.23 | troubled | codynotes: type mount, anything sdf listed? |
| 09:10.35 | codynotes | troubled: Nope |
| 09:10.46 | troubled | codynotes: fdisk -l /dev/sdf |
| 09:10.52 | troubled | codynotes: what part types? |
| 09:11.21 | codynotes | troubled: 'Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table' |
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| 09:11.56 | troubled | codynotes: hmm, notice a [mac] in there. not a msdos based table i assume? |
| 09:12.14 | troubled | cant say i have any experience with mac style parts if it is |
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| 09:12.24 | codynotes | troubled: I have no idea. It's just a hard drive that has been being used on a Mac... |
| 09:12.36 | codynotes | I assume it's using HFS |
| 09:12.37 | troubled | codynotes: do you need the data on it? |
| 09:12.43 | codynotes | Yes |
| 09:12.56 | troubled | codynotes: perhaps try manually mount one of the parts as hfs? |
| 09:14.10 | troubled | not sure off hand what the procedure is to get the mac part modules working, or if fdisk only speaks msdos parts. you could try add hfs to /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf though |
| 09:14.38 | codynotes | troubled: that's what markybob suggested, but I just got 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdf1' |
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| 09:15.22 | troubled | codynotes: well, sdf1 might be a swap for all we know. try the others |
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| 09:15.54 | troubled | codynotes: perhaps try apt-get install testdisk and see what it reports for the drive |
| 09:16.37 | troubled | sorry if i cant help beyond that as I only do x86 |
| 09:16.53 | codynotes | troubled: None of the others will mount either. That's okay, thanks for trying anyways. |
| 09:16.59 | troubled | np |
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| 09:20.00 | codynotes | troubled: Figured it out -- I used 'hfsplus' instead of 'hfs'. Even though that isn't listed as supported by the mount manpage. |
| 09:20.13 | codynotes | Now let's see if that will work with usbmount... |
| 09:20.36 | troubled | codynotes: k, try add hfsplus to /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf's FILESYSTEMS="ext2 ext3 vfat" line |
| 09:21.05 | codynotes | troubled: OK. Do I have to make usbmount reread the config file somehow, or will it do it automatically? |
| 09:21.06 | troubled | no promises though as it may use a method to detect similar (and limited) to fdisk's |
| 09:21.26 | troubled | codynotes: im pretty sure each insert event it auto rereads it |
| 09:21.37 | codynotes | troubled: K |
| 09:21.43 | troubled | probably a udev event |
| 09:22.04 | troubled | let us know if it works though |
| 09:23.11 | codynotes | troubled: Sweet, it worked! Awesome! Thanks so much!! |
| 09:23.17 | troubled | :) |
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| 09:24.05 | troubled | codynotes: as a reward for your viewing pleasure: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-9195453025280105016 :) |
| 09:25.34 | codynotes | :) |
| 09:25.38 | troubled | :) |
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| 09:26.28 | Zeit|awy | "ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 1000 duplex full" worked |
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| 09:26.31 | Zeit|awy | funny |
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| 09:28.52 | thyko | markybob: i tottaly new to this, i just need something that will utileze the CPU and RAM of some old PIII machines |
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| 09:29.57 | troubled | thyko: kernel compile works wonders. espeically when you run 10 or 20 simultaneous ones |
| 09:30.35 | sewi | hello, recently I've upgraded my debian lenny box and now xmodmap gives errors: "bad keysym in remove modifier list 'Caps_Lock', no corresponding keycodes", "xmodmap: .Xmodmap:4: bad keysym target keysym 'Caps_Lock', no corresponding keycodes" etc. Any idea? |
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| 09:31.02 | Zeit|awy | cpu is easy, just cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
| 09:31.05 | Zeit|awy | ^^ |
| 09:31.12 | dondelelcaro | sewi: your .Xmodmap lists keysym that do not exist. |
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| 09:31.25 | dondelelcaro | sewi: or are otherwise not in the modifier list |
| 09:32.08 | sewi | dondelelcaro: but it worked before the upgrade |
| 09:32.17 | dondelelcaro | sewi: so? |
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| 09:32.56 | sewi | dondelelcaro: does it mean that keysym Caps_Lock changed into something else? |
| 09:33.26 | dondelelcaro | sewi: it's possible; xmodmap -pk; will list them, as will xmodmap -pm; you could also be removing it earlier. |
| 09:33.42 | dondelelcaro | (if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do, you actually want xmodmap -e 'clear lock;' |
| 09:33.44 | sewi | dondelelcaro: thanks, i will try |
| 09:34.02 | thyko | markybob: ever used Parallel Knoppix? |
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| 09:35.16 | dondelelcaro | sewi: see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession_volo for a rather complicated example of doing this |
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| 09:36.00 | sewi | dondelelcaro: thanks for the link, I'll look at it |
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| 09:37.16 | troubled | dondelelcaro: is there anything you dont keep in svn? |
| 09:37.23 | dondelelcaro | troubled: almost nothing |
| 09:37.38 | dondelelcaro | troubled: most of the things I don't keep in svn are in bzr or cvs or darcs or similar |
| 09:38.07 | troubled | debating /etc/ myself, but concerned and not sure about risk of getting it to be the working copy without a full erase |
| 09:38.10 | dondelelcaro | (the main notable exceptions are the various media collections I wander around with) |
| 09:38.31 | Jestersons | hi, i hav an ATI Radeon 9550 Gra.Card. I just install fglrx-control;driver and kernel-src + radeontool..... i configured xorg to fglrx for my card. When i use Kaffeine for DVB-T the Picture still lags |
| 09:38.33 | dondelelcaro | (mp3,video,etc.) |
| 09:38.48 | troubled | well, understandable not putting large binaries in svn |
| 09:39.40 | dondelelcaro | the main reason why I switched to it though is because I have multiple workstations and laptops, and it sucks having to deal with syncing stuff between them |
| 09:39.41 | faemir | is it just me or does clear looks change with sid? :| |
| 09:40.10 | troubled | dondelelcaro: ever tried any of the replicating fs's like coda? |
| 09:40.24 | troubled | had terrible luck last time i tried though |
| 09:40.28 | dondelelcaro | troubled: conflict resolution is always a problem with them |
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| 09:40.59 | akuehntopf | faemir, yes |
| 09:41.08 | faemir | it looks nicer =] |
| 09:41.08 | akuehntopf | the gummy theme has been renamed to clearlooks |
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| 09:41.10 | dondelelcaro | troubled: and they often tend to behave weirdly offline |
| 09:41.15 | akuehntopf | and clearlooks is now called clearlooks classic |
| 09:41.23 | faemir | ah ok. I prefer this though |
| 09:42.29 | dondelelcaro | troubled: if you're interested in how it works though, http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/new_home_directory and http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/sa will sort of give you an introduction |
| 09:42.33 | faemir | for some odd reasons when I use the gnome icon set the little picture is of ubuntu. I think it's because I installed an ubuntu style package which after being removed still retains the icon >_> |
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| 09:43.03 | faemir | And I owe a cookie to whoever moved synaptic to system tools. |
| 09:43.39 | troubled | dondelelcaro: login/out script trigger? |
| 09:43.51 | Sterile | I installed compiz and everything related except for -dev .. is there a gui manager with gnome you can use for it? |
| 09:44.02 | thyko | whatch yall think of parallel knoppix |
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| 09:44.38 | claudio` | hey |
| 09:44.39 | dondelelcaro | troubled: you could do that, but I just run that command manually |
| 09:45.09 | faemir | can someone tell me how to change my java to sun java? |
| 09:45.47 | wols_ | faemir: uninstall your old (free) java. add non-free (or was it ontrib) and install java from there |
| 09:46.19 | faemir | wols_, I already have sun java installed, but I don't know the name of the free java package |
| 09:46.29 | wols_ | thyko: nothing. this is #debian, not #knoppx |
| 09:46.36 | wols_ | faemir: dpkg -l |grep java |
| 09:47.00 | wols_ | or if /usr/bin/java is the free one: dpkg -S /usr/bin/java |
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| 09:53.23 | faemir | wols_, if i pastebin my output, can you tell me which should be removed? i'm unsure |
| 09:53.35 | wols_ | sure |
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| 09:54.59 | faemir | wols_, http://pastebin.com/m59e3ec34 |
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| 09:55.11 | wols_ | http://pastebin.com/m59e3ec34 |
| 09:55.11 | wols_ | java-gcj-compat |
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| 10:11.10 | nse | well, all I want to do is to install that old gnome theme called ocean dreams. but now it is nowhere. I've already downloaded gnome-themes and gnome-themes-extras and gnome-art |
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| 10:11.11 | nse | but this last package I don't know how to use the interface. it is not all that user-friendly. can anyone give me a tip? |
| 10:11.12 | faemir | nse, i'm using it right now =] |
| 10:11.12 | nse | faemir: how come? |
| 10:11.12 | faemir | because i was getting a new theme... |
| 10:11.12 | faemir | go art > desktop themes > application |
| 10:11.12 | faemir | wait for it to download |
| 10:11.12 | faemir | then find the theme you want |
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| 10:11.12 | nse | well, it sounds a little bit difficult that the interface do not tell us that something is being downloaded |
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| 10:11.14 | faemir | nse, what do you mean? it does download them :| |
| 10:11.14 | quitte | hi. I'm trying to configure my dhcp server the way it is described here: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html at the very bottom. but I can'T figure out how to tell dhcpd what filename to serve if the substring dos not match |
| 10:11.14 | nse | faemir: I mean there is no way to know that the download is happening |
| 10:11.14 | faemir | is there not? |
| 10:11.14 | nse | am I wrong? |
| 10:11.14 | nse | no... |
| 10:11.14 | faemir | but when it's finished, it brings up the theme manager |
| 10:11.14 | faemir | so you know it's installed |
| 10:11.14 | nse | alright. I will wait, then |
| 10:11.14 | faemir | nse, make sure you click install not download |
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| 10:11.15 | faemir | wols_, it will remove OOo, can I just reinstall that afterwards? |
| 10:11.16 | nse | faemir: those buttons are not clickable! |
| 10:11.16 | nse | and there is no name everywhere... |
| 10:11.16 | faemir | O_o |
| 10:11.16 | ilona | ugh, how do i activate lilo's boot selection? |
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| 10:11.16 | wols_ | faemir: sure. how do you try to remove it? |
| 10:11.18 | faemir | wols_, I did it, but when I try to reinstall OOo it tries to reinstall it >_> |
| 10:11.18 | faemir | and i just did aptitude remove |
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| 10:11.18 | shifty | hallöle |
| 10:11.18 | shifty | wie kann ich ein anderes standard sound device einstellen? (kde) |
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| 10:11.20 | dondelelcaro | !de |
| 10:11.20 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 10:11.20 | shifty | oh... |
| 10:11.20 | shifty | how can i select a other default sound device? |
| 10:11.20 | shifty | sry ... tought im in german chan :D |
| 10:11.21 | wols_ | faemir: just make sure that /usr/bin/java* points to the proper version |
| 10:11.21 | troubled | wols_: /nick wols :) |
| 10:11.21 | troubled | (if you hadnt already noticed) |
| 10:11.21 | wols_ | in 15h it would be "wols_" again |
| 10:11.21 | shifty | ^^ |
| 10:11.21 | faemir | wols_, how do I that? |
| 10:11.21 | wols_ | and since irssi is scripted in perl, I will never write a script to automate it :P |
| 10:11.21 | wols_ | faemir: man ln |
| 10:11.21 | troubled | dont like perl i take it? |
| 10:11.30 | wols_ | or rather: use update-alternatives |
| 10:11.35 | wols_ | not at all |
| 10:12.28 | dondelelcaro | shifty: you can do so by using an ~/.asound.rc or a system wide one. |
| 10:12.39 | faemir | wols_, what do I want /usr/bin/java to link to? =] |
| 10:12.41 | shifty | ok thx |
| 10:14.14 | wols_ | faemir: man update-alternatives |
| 10:14.18 | wols_ | faemir: better to use |
| 10:14.33 | faemir | I looked at that, but I don't know where the sun java that I want it to use it |
| 10:14.35 | faemir | is * |
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| 10:18.20 | wols_ | use dpkg -L to find out |
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| 10:21.33 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:21.33 | dpkg | [qotd99] <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
| 10:22.06 | troubled | !cookie |
| 10:22.08 | dpkg | Hey troubled, kerberos is a cross-platform networked security and authentication system for accessing services. http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/, or not so well supported in debian, or getting better slowly in debian woody/sid |
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| 10:22.54 | troubled | how do you add the qotd's anyways? manually? |
| 10:22.57 | DocPlatypus | !cookie |
| 10:23.07 | troubled | hmm, theres a bug |
| 10:23.08 | DocPlatypus | ... ?! |
| 10:23.17 | troubled | shouldnt be pulling deleted factoids dondelelcaro |
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| 10:23.35 | faemir | wols_, so do I want sun-java-bin? |
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| 10:24.23 | shifty | ok i have really problems with sound ^^ |
| 10:24.39 | shifty | where can i find the settings? |
| 10:25.05 | shifty | (of sound devices, where i can select the plugged in devices) |
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| 10:25.24 | liable | troubled: ya, you gotta name em manually afaik |
| 10:25.52 | troubled | liable: next question is, how do you know the highest numbered qotd? |
| 10:26.31 | liable | troubled: i dont know. prolly easiest is to check the vireo DB |
| 10:26.35 | Nyle | do you guys ever sleep? |
| 10:26.42 | liable | i dunno how to do it with dpkg |
| 10:26.44 | Nyle | seriously ;) |
| 10:26.52 | troubled | look who's talking :) |
| 10:27.02 | Nyle | dude i went to bed at 11:30 |
| 10:27.07 | Nyle | now its 6:30 am |
| 10:27.16 | Nyle | huh huh, whats up |
| 10:27.17 | Nyle | whats up |
| 10:27.18 | Nyle | :D |
| 10:27.20 | faemir | sleep? sleep is for lame people >=) |
| 10:27.25 | liable | its 630pm here |
| 10:27.33 | Nyle | liable: where? |
| 10:27.37 | Nyle | liable: india? |
| 10:27.38 | liable | au |
| 10:27.41 | Nyle | oh |
| 10:27.48 | wols_ | shifty: asoundrc somewhere in /etc usually |
| 10:27.55 | Nyle | so you are exactly 12 hour from me |
| 10:27.55 | ix | 12:27 here |
| 10:28.02 | shifty | ok thx wols_ |
| 10:28.25 | Nyle | so if i dig a hole in my room, and come out on the other side of the earth in maybe your room? |
| 10:28.28 | Nyle | wow |
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| 10:28.54 | liable | heh |
| 10:29.08 | Nyle | liable: how old are you? |
| 10:29.14 | troubled | Nyle: thats deep :) |
| 10:29.20 | liable | 34 |
| 10:29.25 | Nyle | wicked |
| 10:29.31 | Nyle | do you like aussie metal? |
| 10:29.43 | faemir | how many depedencies does vlc need O_o |
| 10:29.47 | SpeedyG | Nyle: it'd be miraculous if you'd dig, and then come out in my room... it's on the 9th floor :p |
| 10:30.00 | xerophyte | is there anyway to find out webpage loading time ? in the browser ... i mean is there any firefox plugin will report response time ? |
| 10:30.01 | Nyle | faemir: apt-cache show-depepds or something |
| 10:30.38 | Nyle | faemir: apt-cache depends blah |
| 10:30.42 | Nyle | have fun |
| 10:31.08 | Nyle | SpeedyG: lol |
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| 10:31.23 | Nyle | i've been known to work miracles |
| 10:31.32 | faemir | Nyle, it was a rhetorical question |
| 10:31.33 | Nyle | you don't remember what I did with Helen Keller? |
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| 10:32.24 | Nyle | i have the guitar solo stuck in my head and its annoying menow |
| 10:33.10 | ilona | situation is this: debian installed with lilo as boot loader. i want to use grub, instead. when i installed grub, it did not autocreate the menu.lst with the magic entries etc. now i am wondering how i could achieve this, preferably automated |
| 10:33.31 | Nyle | update-grub? |
| 10:33.35 | liable | ilona: update-grub |
| 10:33.39 | troubled | ^ |
| 10:33.48 | ilona | liable, ta |
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| 10:33.58 | Nyle | it might not work if your device map is broken |
| 10:34.00 | Nyle | of course |
| 10:34.38 | ilona | liable, purrfect |
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| 10:35.07 | Nyle | you thanked the wrong one but thats ok |
| 10:35.18 | Nyle | im just so generous and selfless |
| 10:35.40 | Nyle | never thinking of myself, always thinking about way to make those who are close to me happy |
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| 10:36.17 | Nyle | just like jerry seinfeld |
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| 10:37.06 | Nyle | I have no idea what I'm talking about I'm just going off. so who ate what for breakfast today? I had indian food |
| 10:37.25 | petemc | i had a packet of transform-a-snacks |
| 10:37.33 | petemc | spicey |
| 10:37.35 | Nyle | what are those |
| 10:37.42 | petemc | corn puff crisps |
| 10:37.51 | petemc | 20p |
| 10:37.58 | Nyle | transform-a-snacks |
| 10:37.59 | Nyle | hehe |
| 10:38.06 | petemc | used to be 10p, when i were a lad |
| 10:38.15 | Nyle | pence? |
| 10:38.22 | petemc | yz |
| 10:38.39 | petemc | im still drunk from last night, and i smoked a joint in bed |
| 10:38.43 | petemc | so i was ravenous |
| 10:38.49 | Nyle | 1 joint? |
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| 10:38.56 | Nyle | dude don't even start with me |
| 10:38.58 | petemc | im smoking a second one now |
| 10:39.02 | Nyle | thats it? |
| 10:39.08 | Nyle | man just don't even man |
| 10:39.10 | Nyle | you know |
| 10:39.14 | petemc | one at a time seems to suffice |
| 10:39.26 | Nyle | roll a massive spliff mate |
| 10:39.39 | petemc | sage advice indeed |
| 10:39.44 | Nyle | 4 kingsize rizla together |
| 10:39.56 | petemc | what would be the benefit of that? |
| 10:40.01 | psycodad | Nyle: try aleda, it rocks |
| 10:40.06 | Nyle | aleda? |
| 10:40.09 | petemc | would i be stoneder? |
| 10:40.15 | Nyle | nope |
| 10:40.18 | Nyle | you'd be strunk |
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| 10:40.28 | Nyle | or droned |
| 10:40.34 | psycodad | cellulose type of paper, transparent, very neutral in taste and less toxic |
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| 10:40.49 | Nyle | psycodad: cool, but before an op sees us |
| 10:40.53 | Nyle | we had better quit this |
| 10:41.04 | psycodad | and has the geek factor thru transparency..if your desktop has transparency effects, why not your spiff ?? |
| 10:41.13 | Nyle | well |
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| 10:41.15 | Nyle | I have fglrx |
| 10:41.17 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 10:41.21 | Nyle | hola |
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| 10:41.30 | Nyle | no transparency for me |
| 10:41.31 | sobersabre | I am a bit confused, but.. hope you can help me. |
| 10:41.34 | Nyle | vesa doesn't have all that |
| 10:41.40 | Nyle | and my card runs with no other drivers |
| 10:41.41 | psycodad | lol |
| 10:41.44 | sobersabre | I have amd64 machine. it runs amd64 ( 64-bit ) kernel. |
| 10:41.57 | Nyle | !tell sobersabre -about ask |
| 10:41.59 | sobersabre | I want to run a static 32-bit binary on this machine. |
| 10:42.10 | sobersabre | Nyle: thanks. |
| 10:42.17 | Nyle | you can do it the quick and ugly way |
| 10:42.19 | wols_ | f it's really static, there shouldn't be any problems |
| 10:42.22 | Nyle | using ia32-libs |
| 10:42.24 | psycodad | sobersabre: you need some packages, sth like ia32-lib or similar |
| 10:42.33 | sobersabre | anyway, I REMEMBER I could run them. |
| 10:42.46 | Nyle | OR you can do it the harder way, but more proper, by running a 32bit os in a chroot |
| 10:43.06 | sobersabre | but... maybe Is there a special option I need to configure in the 64-bit kernel, so this thing would work, or no ? |
| 10:43.26 | Nyle | sobersabre: no, 32bit support is enabled in stock debian kernel |
| 10:43.31 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 10:43.39 | Nyle | in amd64 that is |
| 10:43.44 | Nyle | damn forgot to finish my sentence |
| 10:43.59 | sobersabre | but, theoretically, is it possible to compile "pure 64-bit kernel" that doesn't allow 32-bit binaries AT ALL ? |
| 10:44.48 | Nyle | yes |
| 10:44.48 | sobersabre | I have this argument, and the REAL question I wanted to ask is this: |
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| 10:45.03 | sobersabre | when shell wants to execv() |
| 10:45.29 | sobersabre | the binary, a 32-bit one, is READ. |
| 10:45.39 | sobersabre | and is starting to execute. |
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| 10:46.02 | sobersabre | question is where exactly is important whether it is 32 or 64 bit instruction set ? |
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| 10:46.22 | sobersabre | isn't the loader determining by arch. and libraries versions which libs to link ? |
| 10:46.47 | Nyle | it shouldn't provide binaries with 32bit version of libs if you don't tell it to |
| 10:46.53 | sobersabre | so, if the bin is static, and CPU supports the 64 bit instructions, nobody actually cares about the arch? |
| 10:47.08 | sobersabre | Nyle: the case is statically linked program. |
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| 10:47.17 | sobersabre | it has everything in it. |
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| 10:47.22 | Nyle | ah yes |
| 10:47.30 | Nyle | its not skype is it? |
| 10:47.38 | Nyle | hehe, just wondering |
| 10:47.42 | sobersabre | Nyle NO. so, if there's no libs to link |
| 10:48.07 | sobersabre | and the opcodes are valid, and correct, they shall execute. |
| 10:48.09 | sobersabre | RIGHT ? |
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| 10:48.33 | sobersabre | I mean what the hell a kernel can do NOT to allow this ? |
| 10:48.44 | sobersabre | to filter out only 32-bit old instructions ?! |
| 10:49.33 | wols_ | !tell sobersabre about errors |
| 10:49.45 | sobersabre | wols_: I am not telling about errors. |
| 10:49.58 | wols_ | and that's where you fail |
| 10:50.04 | wols_ | read the factoid |
| 10:50.13 | sobersabre | wols_: because this is NOT a discussion. |
| 10:50.30 | sobersabre | wols_: I think my q. is not for this channel. |
| 10:50.34 | wols_ | of you don't ask for help with debian: #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:01.07 | liable | !moo |
| 11:01.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 11:01.25 | masus | hi all, which window manager install debian by default ? |
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| 11:01.44 | liable | it doesnt have a default |
| 11:02.05 | liable | if you choose the desktop task during install, you get gnome and kde |
| 11:02.38 | masus | both, hmm interesting |
| 11:02.41 | masus | ok thanks |
| 11:03.02 | debiantonio | today ? Gnome 2.20.0 :) |
| 11:03.09 | masus | :) |
| 11:03.25 | debiantonio | upgrade now, its fine |
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| 11:03.59 | masus | ok i'll install first |
| 11:04.00 | masus | :) |
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| 11:05.31 | MattUK | how do i upgrade to the latest version of gnome? |
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| 11:06.10 | valdyn | MattUK: to 2.20? |
| 11:06.13 | debiantonio | yesterday, i'm use sid |
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| 11:06.17 | MattUK | Yes, to 2.20 |
| 11:06.21 | MattUK | from 2.18 |
| 11:06.27 | valdyn | MattUK: that's not completely packaged yet, just wait |
| 11:06.29 | debiantonio | 21/09/2007 |
| 11:06.33 | debiantonio | ops |
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| 11:07.45 | MattUK | okay thanks |
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| 11:08.02 | liable | debiantonio: do not suggest people use sid |
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| 11:08.03 | debiantonio | do safe-upgrade |
| 11:08.17 | liable | debiantonio: unless you are going to be here to fix shit when it breaks |
| 11:08.26 | defrysk | lol |
| 11:08.36 | valdyn | MattUK: if your release is lenny/testing that would be 2 weeks at least. |
| 11:09.19 | debiantonio | i'm not suggest! have 2.20 in sid but stable... |
| 11:09.34 | valdyn | debiantonio: no you don't, its not in sid nor experimental, only parts |
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| 11:10.30 | debiantonio | well...debian stable or sid is debian for me |
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| 11:10.38 | SpeedyG | is wget also usable for ftp servers ? |
| 11:10.53 | valdyn | SpeedyG: yea |
| 11:11.11 | valdyn | SpeedyG: or why don't you read that on the manpage |
| 11:11.12 | SpeedyG | ok :) /me off to finding out how :) |
| 11:11.31 | SpeedyG | valdyn: I will, but I just dont want to read the manpages if it isnt even possible ;) |
| 11:11.38 | valdyn | SpeedyG: by prefixing the servername with ftp:// |
| 11:13.02 | iguanna | when i do: ifconfig eth0 to set up my ethernet, debian tell me: error fetching interrface information, device not found, can help me? |
| 11:13.53 | iguanna | only i find lo (127.0.0.1) and this one works fine. |
| 11:14.31 | valdyn | iguanna: your network interface has no suitable driver ( loaded ) |
| 11:15.04 | liable | iguanna: check ifconfig -a |
| 11:15.13 | iguanna | i will, moment |
| 11:15.52 | iguanna | only i get lo interface |
| 11:16.11 | liable | k, then you have a problem, like valdyn says |
| 11:16.12 | iguanna | lo (127.0.0.1) |
| 11:16.16 | liable | check dmesg |
| 11:16.28 | iguanna | i wll |
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| 11:17.06 | cockroach | re |
| 11:17.13 | cockroach | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 11:21.27 | SpeedyG | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 11:22.06 | x3on | anyone willing to hold my hand setting up WPA? |
| 11:22.19 | masus | does anyone know , after anew window manager installation like gnome , have to build the client tree for ltsp again ? |
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| 11:24.12 | akuehntopf | x3on |
| 11:24.15 | akuehntopf | what do you want to do? |
| 11:25.34 | x3on | hey akuehntopf, I want to be able to connect to my wireless here at home with WPA - I've tried installing the network manager etc and couldnt get it to work, and Ive tried wpasupplicant and all kinds of guides, and it just wont go |
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| 11:25.54 | akuehntopf | x3on, did you install network-manager-gnome? |
| 11:26.42 | x3on | yeah, when the applet is running and i click on the icon, it only shows the wired connection which im connected to now, not my wireless interface, even with it running |
| 11:26.52 | akuehntopf | hm |
| 11:26.59 | akuehntopf | what wifi card do you have |
| 11:27.48 | claudio` | Can i change the title bar name on-the-fly? |
| 11:28.00 | Guerin | claudio`: you have my permission. |
| 11:28.56 | x3on | ipw2100 |
| 11:29.11 | claudio` | Guerin: THX ;) |
| 11:29.52 | akuehntopf | hm okay, x3on |
| 11:30.00 | akuehntopf | what does iwconfig tell you? |
| 11:30.02 | akuehntopf | (as root) |
| 11:30.40 | x3on | at the moment "no wireless extensions" |
| 11:31.03 | akuehntopf | so your module is not loaded |
| 11:31.21 | akuehntopf | and thus network manager cannot see the wifi conncetions |
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| 11:32.26 | x3on | alright :) |
| 11:32.30 | x3on | how do I load the module |
| 11:32.47 | wols_ | by finding out which wlan chip you have |
| 11:32.54 | akuehntopf | modprobe ipw2100 |
| 11:32.57 | akuehntopf | as root |
| 11:33.24 | akuehntopf | if it fails you will need to install the firmware for your device |
| 11:34.37 | claudio` | I mean, something like this (but NON with zsh): http://wiki.netbsd.se/Shell-Hacks#Show_the_Current_Command_in_the_xterm_Title_Bar_.28zsh.29 |
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| 11:35.12 | x3on | Ive used this wireless card before under windows and linux so i dont think i need to install the firmware .. i just modprobed and tried iwconfig and still "no wireless extensions" |
| 11:35.43 | akuehntopf | does dmesg tell you something? |
| 11:35.55 | akuehntopf | i suspect it is a firmware problem |
| 11:35.57 | akuehntopf | :) |
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| 11:40.19 | x3on | i think you might be right as well :) |
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| 11:40.32 | x3on | are you talking about firmware as in flashing the physical wireless chip? |
| 11:40.50 | akuehntopf | yes |
| 11:40.56 | akuehntopf | well |
| 11:40.56 | akuehntopf | no |
| 11:41.05 | akuehntopf | the fw gets loaded into the chip so it is usable by the driver |
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| 11:41.55 | x3on | ipw2100: eth2: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed. |
| 11:42.01 | akuehntopf | see? =) |
| 11:42.30 | f_mohr | is here a special debian-laptop channel? |
| 11:42.36 | Wyzard | x3on: The firmware is stored in a file ("ipw2100-1.3.fw", apparently) and uploaded into the wireless chip by the driver at initialization |
| 11:42.53 | Wyzard | x3on: It's not permanently flashed into the wireless chip -- it has to be supplied by the driver each time |
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| 11:43.04 | x3on | ah cool, thanks Wyzard |
| 11:43.12 | bullgard4 | /usr/bin/softbeep prints in a Gnome terminal "Spawning subshell" if I issue the command softbeep. How can I get rid of this message? |
| 11:43.15 | x3on | so how do i go about getting it to load properly ;b |
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| 11:44.13 | Wyzard | x3on: Get the firmware file from http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/ and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 11:45.36 | Wyzard | x3on: Actually, I think /lib/firmware is the preferred location |
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| 11:45.47 | valdyn | that firmware is in etch too |
| 11:46.26 | Wyzard | oh, it's packaged? |
| 11:46.29 | Wyzard | That'd be even better, then |
| 11:46.49 | valdyn | mm, in sid im seeing firmware-ipw3945 and firmware-iwlwifi |
| 11:46.51 | x3on | hrrm which fw version to get? |
| 11:46.54 | hark | is it? |
| 11:47.31 | Wyzard | The 3945 firmware is packaged, but I don't think the 2100 or 2200 firmwares are |
| 11:47.34 | Wyzard | (surprisingly) |
| 11:47.37 | iguanna | about error fetching interface information:device not found. |
| 11:47.42 | valdyn | x3on: the latest normally |
| 11:48.09 | Wyzard | and, correcting myself again, for a firmware file that's installed manually, /usr/local/lib/firmware would probably be the most appropriate place to put it |
| 11:48.20 | Wyzard | (Any of those three directories will work, though) |
| 11:48.22 | x3on | As of v0.44 of the IPW2100 (released May 10, 2004), a new firmware image is needed. This firmware file is not compatible with versions prior to 0.44. Please select which firmware version you would like to download based on the version of the IPW2100 driver you are using: |
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| 11:48.39 | iguanna | i did: lspci, and i could see a target for Ethernet controller: Realtek .... |
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| 11:48.42 | Wyzard | x3on: modinfo ipw2100 |
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| 11:48.46 | Wyzard | x3on: Look for the "version:" line |
| 11:49.00 | Zvpun | what frontend for gnupg do you recommend? I am using gnome and want to sign a text. |
| 11:49.03 | iguanna | but now i have to do modprobe + realtek? |
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| 11:49.11 | Wyzard | x3on: though that announcement is from 2004, so you almost certainly have 0.44 or newer |
| 11:49.14 | x3on | version: git-1.2.2 |
| 11:49.18 | wols_ | iguanna: no. what realtek chip is it? |
| 11:49.21 | hark | Wyzard: because of intel's license for them, because of 3rd party code etc. The 3945/iwl ucode does not contain any third party stuff whatsoever and they allow distribution of that AFAIK |
| 11:49.33 | Wyzard | x3on: 1.2.2 is definitely newer than 0.44 :-) |
| 11:49.41 | x3on | :-) |
| 11:49.42 | Wyzard | hark: ah |
| 11:50.16 | iguanna | it's rtl-8139/8139C/8139C+, i can see in the out of lspci. |
| 11:50.58 | amphi | iguanna: 8139too should work with that |
| 11:50.58 | x3on | Strange i have to do all this when Im sure i have had NM working in debian before ... maybe its because im using Lenny ;] |
| 11:51.01 | Wyzard | iguanna: The driver for that should be "8139too" |
| 11:51.16 | Wyzard | iguanna: and it should be auto-loaded by udev |
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| 11:51.43 | Optic_ | cow cow cow! |
| 11:51.52 | microtux | hi |
| 11:52.12 | Optic_ | good morning |
| 11:52.14 | amphi | iguanna: 8139cp might also work |
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| 11:53.07 | masus | how to install the gnome apt-get install gnome or apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 11:53.09 | masus | "how to install the gnome apt-get install gnome or apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 11:53.34 | defrysk | yes |
| 11:53.43 | iguanna | amphi: yeah, modprobe 8139cp is found, but i go on with the same error when i do ifconfig eth0 ... |
| 11:54.06 | masus | gnome or gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 11:54.37 | hark | !tell masus about install gnome |
| 11:55.34 | microtux | i'm trying to set up a serial console |
| 11:55.48 | microtux | i added an entry to /etc/inittab |
| 11:56.03 | microtux | ::respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 ttyS0 |
| 11:56.19 | microtux | i asks me for login/passwd |
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| 11:56.37 | microtux | i created passwd shadow and group files |
| 11:57.00 | microtux | when enter login/passwd it says : login[27]: invalid password for `root' on `ttyS0' |
| 11:57.03 | microtux | any help? |
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| 11:57.53 | microtux | !ttyS0 |
| 11:58.03 | JeremyK | microtux: this is what i use for serial console: |
| 11:58.06 | wols_ | microtux: you don't need /etc/passwdor shadow for a serial console |
| 11:58.10 | JeremyK | T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 |
| 11:58.10 | JeremyK | T1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 19200 vt100 |
| 11:58.15 | wols_ | and: log in as normal user, them su to root |
| 11:58.21 | JeremyK | it Just Works |
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| 11:58.44 | x3on | ok I extracted the fw archive and it has 3 .fw's .. do i add them all to the same dir? |
| 11:58.47 | microtux | wols_, logging as normal user returns the same error !! |
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| 12:00.10 | masus | thanks |
| 12:00.14 | microtux | JeremyK, ok i'll try |
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| 12:00.18 | JeremyK | microtux: when you say you created passwd shadow and group files, what exactly do you mean? |
| 12:00.25 | JeremyK | those should already have existed on your system |
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| 12:02.22 | chronographer | Hi all. Anyone know how to get a tablet pc to work. i.e. the tablet part? Is there a way to find out what kind of tablet it is so I can find drivers for it or something? |
| 12:02.23 | microtux | JeremyK, i know i know. i'm setting up a serial console on a system different of mine. so i copied the meant files to it |
| 12:02.26 | x3on | hey Wyzard, you still 'round? |
| 12:02.34 | Wyzard | x3on: yes |
| 12:03.02 | f_mohr | i have a strange problem with my old laptop (TP 560) that was running fine with sarge, but when i upgraded to etch it starts to loose the network connection after a few minutes (3c574 pcmcia nw card) |
| 12:03.05 | JeremyK | microtux: 1) why didn't you just leave the ones that were there? and 2) what did you copy them from? |
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| 12:03.42 | x3on | I loaded the extracted archive into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and /lib/firmware, what do I do now? |
| 12:03.44 | xand | oh deary me |
| 12:04.13 | Wyzard | x3on: You don't need to put it in both places |
| 12:04.25 | liable | xand: not the archive, you need the seperate files in there |
| 12:04.27 | xand | microtux: sounds like the copying failed, or the permissions of the files are wrong... can you login by other means? |
| 12:04.30 | xand | liable: what |
| 12:04.33 | liable | just in /lib/firmware |
| 12:04.38 | Wyzard | x3on: There are three places where firmware files can go: /lib/firmware, /usr/local/lib/firmware, and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 12:04.42 | JeremyK | xand: that's what i'm thinking. hopefully he still has a shell open, heh |
| 12:04.47 | liable | xand: you dont put the whole directory in there |
| 12:04.57 | xand | liable: what are you talking about? |
| 12:04.57 | Wyzard | x3on: Any of those will work, but for firmware that's not part of a package, I'd use /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 12:05.11 | liable | xand: doh, nicktab borkage |
| 12:05.16 | xand | :P |
| 12:05.24 | x3on | i tried that last directory Wyzard and it didnt exist - should I create it? |
| 12:05.28 | Wyzard | yes |
| 12:06.01 | Wyzard | x3on: It didn't exist because packages don't touch /usr/local, so nothing in Debian automatically creates any structure there for you |
| 12:06.01 | liable | /lib firmware is where it should go. |
| 12:06.18 | Wyzard | liable: /usr/local/lib/firmware is just as acceptable, and more appropriate for something non-packaged |
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| 12:06.41 | iguanna | bloody error fetching interface information... |
| 12:07.05 | Wyzard | x3on: Anyway, once you have the firmware file(s) in the firmware directory, you should be able to modprobe ipw2100, and it should work |
| 12:08.00 | cloakable | heh |
| 12:08.09 | iguanna | i edited my files: /etc/network/interfaces and resolv.conf and i did modprobe 8139cp before, and then of all i did ifdown eth0 and ifupeth0 and the news are: |
| 12:08.21 | iguanna | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 12:08.26 | microtux | xand, no, i have only serial console |
| 12:08.33 | x3on | ok all done, how do I make sure its working Wyzard ? |
| 12:08.40 | liable | iguanna: check dmesg after you modprobe the module |
| 12:08.41 | xand | microtux: you can't login then, EOF |
| 12:08.44 | Wyzard | x3on: Just load the ipw2100 module |
| 12:08.57 | Wyzard | x3on: and you should get a new network interface (check with iwconfig) |
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| 12:09.03 | z3us | hi! i tryed to configure samba server for browse from my winXP pc to this debian based, but when i try to select home or another directory it ask to me login and i not know what! |
| 12:09.14 | JeremyK | microtux: yea, if you don't already have a terminal open to the machine, and you can't log in via the only method you have of accessing, you have essentially bricked your machine |
| 12:09.15 | xand | microtux: try a different user? do you have physical access? |
| 12:09.27 | x3on | nothing... do I need to tell it where this new directory I created is first? |
| 12:09.29 | Wyzard | z3us: Use your username and password on the Debian box that's running samba |
| 12:10.03 | Wyzard | x3on: No, that directory is searched automatically (see the FIRMWARE_DIRS list near the top of /lib/udev/hotplug.functions) |
| 12:10.03 | xand | don't you have to set passwords to smbpasswd? |
| 12:10.07 | xand | or is that deprecated |
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| 12:10.13 | z3us | yes.....fo the first login it is correct, but fo the successives login are not! |
| 12:10.21 | Wyzard | z3us: Any error messages in dmesg? |
| 12:10.43 | z3us | no! only "try again" |
| 12:11.04 | Wyzard | x3on: The ipw2100 driver printed a "try again" message? |
| 12:11.21 | xand | Wyzard: you're talking to the wrong person ;) |
| 12:11.26 | xand | or reading |
| 12:11.46 | iguanna | liable: i can see the target 8139cp and 8139too, it seems right no? |
| 12:11.47 | Wyzard | oops :-) |
| 12:12.02 | Wyzard | x3on: Any error messages in dmesg? |
| 12:12.03 | z3us | there are any wrong setting that causes this? |
| 12:12.06 | iguanna | maybe if i reboot the system |
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| 12:12.45 | x3on | ipw2100: eth2: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed. |
| 12:12.46 | liable | iguanna: does it mention anything from when the module was loaded? |
| 12:13.01 | x3on | i think im trying to load 1.2, could be a problem ;) |
| 12:13.27 | Wyzard | x3on: Make sure you got the right version from the website |
| 12:13.50 | x3on | yeah just getting it now |
| 12:13.52 | x3on | brb |
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| 12:14.47 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 12:14.55 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 12:14.56 | xand | !fr |
| 12:14.57 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:15.12 | abrotman | duh ... |
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| 12:15.24 | abrotman | xand: he does that every time he joins |
| 12:15.28 | xand | so do I |
| 12:15.33 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 12:15.39 | xand | if I notice :D |
| 12:15.47 | z3us | in the ; autentication setting = user is correct? |
| 12:16.08 | x3on | hrrm still nothing Wyzard |
| 12:16.09 | xand | z3us: probably |
| 12:16.27 | Wyzard | x3on: You put the 1.3 firmware in /usr/local/lib/firmware and it still doesn't load? |
| 12:16.42 | Wyzard | x3on: Are the firmware file(s) actually in the firmware directory, and not a subdirectory or something? |
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| 12:17.00 | henry | Hello everybody, unfortunatly I'v got a .NET cursus at school and we have to do a small projet. Of course, I will use mono, but do you know about any IDE for mono (or at least with some autocompletion) available for etch ? |
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| 12:17.10 | Wyzard | henry: Try monodevelop |
| 12:17.24 | abrotman | henry: monodevelop or ecipse or sharpdevelop |
| 12:17.29 | henry | ok thx |
| 12:17.39 | Wyzard | SharpDevelop is for Windows, I believe |
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| 12:18.15 | Wyzard | Monodevelop was a fork of SharpDevelop that replaced the WinForms usage with GTK# |
| 12:18.27 | Wyzard | though I guess SharpDevelop might work now that Mono actually supports WinForms |
| 12:18.32 | xand | vim ftw |
| 12:18.40 | abrotman | i thought sharpdevelop ran on .NET .. which means it could run on mono ? |
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| 12:19.10 | Wyzard | abrotman: It does, but Mono doesn't implement all of .NET yet |
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| 12:19.51 | abrotman | IIRC .. it does for what sharpdevelp needs |
| 12:19.58 | Wyzard | These days it might |
| 12:20.07 | Wyzard | but System.Windows.Forms support was a long time coming |
| 12:20.20 | abrotman | and i think they have it now |
| 12:20.25 | Wyzard | yeah, I think so too |
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| 12:20.27 | Wyzard | It'd be worth a try |
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| 12:20.55 | microtux | xand, JeremyK i compile linux on my PC, add apps than load it to the boar i'm working on |
| 12:21.24 | x3on | Wyzard : http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7833/fwfwae5.jpg |
| 12:21.26 | xand | microtux: why are you asking in #debian then? |
| 12:21.33 | x3on | then modprobe ipw2100 |
| 12:21.38 | x3on | then iwconfig |
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| 12:22.19 | Wyzard | hmm, the SharpDevelop download is a Windows EXE, not a .NET one |
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| 12:22.29 | Wyzard | I suppose one could download the source and compile it with Mono, but that's a pain |
| 12:22.31 | xand | fine |
| 12:23.44 | iguanna | liable: now my ethernet works fine :), thanks |
| 12:23.55 | Wyzard | x3on: and when you try to modprobe the driver, it still says it couldn't load ipw2100-1.3.fw? |
| 12:23.58 | liable | iguanna: cool |
| 12:24.04 | iguanna | yes |
| 12:24.08 | assasukasse | hi all |
| 12:24.17 | assasukasse | if i wish to have a list of every package installed |
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| 12:24.20 | assasukasse | how should i get it? |
| 12:24.21 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 12:24.29 | SpeedyG | dpkg -L iirc |
| 12:24.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching iirc |
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| 12:24.35 | SpeedyG | oh lol ) |
| 12:24.48 | SpeedyG | assasukasse: ^ using either dpkg -L or dpkg -l |
| 12:25.08 | assasukasse | SpeedyG: of ALL the installed packages? |
| 12:25.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: that might just be a self-extracting zip |
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| 12:25.34 | abrotman | !installed |
| 12:25.34 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 12:25.44 | assasukasse | dpkg --get-selections > installed-software |
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| 12:25.47 | assasukasse | seems this |
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| 12:26.10 | Wyzard | abrotman: I've installed it on Windows before... IIRC it's a real installer, not just a self-unzipper |
| 12:26.22 | Wyzard | though maybe I can unpack it with orange |
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| 12:27.26 | Wyzard | nope, that doesn't work |
| 12:27.42 | x3on | Wyzard: nothing happens |
| 12:27.57 | Wyzard | x3on: Do you still get the message about being unable to load ipw2100-1.3.fw? |
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| 12:28.32 | chronographer | anyone know how to find what kind of 'digitiser' my touchscreen laptop has? I can't get it to recognise me touching the screen... |
| 12:28.46 | dimir | !nickometer o_o_o |
| 12:28.47 | dpkg | 'o_o_o' is 26.000% lame, dimir |
| 12:28.54 | dimir | :-) |
| 12:29.15 | chronographer | heh =) |
| 12:29.19 | chronographer | what about me? |
| 12:29.27 | x3on | ive never had that message Wyzard |
| 12:29.33 | chronographer | 0.0001% lame? |
| 12:29.43 | Wyzard | <x3on> ipw2100: eth2: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed. |
| 12:29.49 | SpeedyG | !nickometer chronographer |
| 12:29.51 | dpkg | 'chronographer' is 0.000% lame, speedyg |
| 12:29.52 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 12:29.55 | chronographer | heh =) |
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| 12:30.22 | chronographer | anyone know anything about digitisers now i got your attention? |
| 12:30.25 | PSyKo | !nickometer PSyKo |
| 12:30.26 | dpkg | 'PSyKo' is 14.000% lame, psyko |
| 12:30.30 | Wyzard | x3on: Do you still get that? |
| 12:30.31 | PSyKo | !nickometer noob |
| 12:30.33 | dpkg | 'noob' is 0.000% lame, psyko |
| 12:30.49 | PSyKo | !nickometer _____________ |
| 12:30.51 | dpkg | '_____________' is 99.9929% lame, psyko |
| 12:30.51 | SpeedyG | chronographer: perhaps the manufactor's site has some info on it ? |
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| 12:30.57 | PSyKo | !nickometer _____________________________________________________ |
| 12:30.58 | liable | PSyKo: stop it |
| 12:30.58 | dpkg | '_____________________________________________________' is 99.9965% lame, psyko |
| 12:30.59 | chronographer | !nickometer dpkg |
| 12:31.01 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, chronographer |
| 12:31.06 | PSyKo | okay liable |
| 12:31.16 | x3on | umm, i was pasting that from "dmesg |grep ipw2100" so it could be from a while ago? |
| 12:31.19 | liable | thankyou |
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| 12:31.30 | NooB | !nickometer lame |
| 12:31.30 | Wyzard | x3on: Check dmesg again and see if it was printed recently |
| 12:31.31 | dpkg | 'lame' is 62.000% lame, noob |
| 12:31.45 | NooB | !nickometer lamenoob |
| 12:31.46 | dpkg | 'lamenoob' is 62.000% lame, noob |
| 12:31.54 | x3on | nah, but there is "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready" |
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| 12:32.49 | Wyzard | x3on: The earlier message said eth2 was your wireless card, so you can probably ignore the message about eth0... but for a wired card, that message would mean a cable was plugged in, so did you plug in an Ethernet cable recently? |
| 12:33.24 | x3on | nah there is a cable plugged in but it's the one im talking to you through |
| 12:33.28 | x3on | i dont think i have an eth2 |
| 12:33.34 | hark | x3on: modprobe -r ipw2100 && modprobe ipw2100 |
| 12:33.42 | x3on | im quite sure eth0 is wireless and eth1 wired |
| 12:33.52 | Wyzard | x3on: How are you sure of that? |
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| 12:34.18 | chronographer | please help. Some people have awacom tablet connected at the serial port /dev/ttyS0 can I find out if mine is/ also some have one connected with usb, which mine isnt... HOW can I find where my tablet is connected? |
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| 12:34.45 | Wyzard | chronographer: You can tell whether it's serial or USB by looking at the plug |
| 12:34.47 | Kevin` | chronographer look at the back of your computer |
| 12:35.02 | chronographer | its a laptop, built in to the screen |
| 12:35.13 | Wyzard | chronographer: That's not a Wacom tablet |
| 12:35.19 | SpeedyG | s/tablet/touchscreen/ |
| 12:35.22 | chronographer | ok good. what is it then |
| 12:35.26 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 12:35.26 | Wyzard | dunno |
| 12:35.32 | chronographer | how can i find? |
| 12:35.32 | SmallR2002 | equivs keeps failing on me :( |
| 12:35.34 | Wyzard | but Wacom tablets are external devices used by artists |
| 12:35.35 | f_mohr | lsusb, lspci might give some infos |
| 12:35.40 | SmallR2002 | (or i keep failing to use it correctly) |
| 12:35.54 | chronographer | ok , that sucks, they eem well documented and easy to install |
| 12:35.56 | Wyzard | x3on: hark has a good point -- you should make sure the ipw2100 module is unloaded, and then load it again |
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| 12:36.34 | x3on | okay |
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| 12:36.39 | x3on | eth2 is up :-) |
| 12:36.53 | Wyzard | x3on: Does iwconfig show eth2 having wireless extensions? |
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| 12:37.17 | sharika | hi |
| 12:37.18 | garo | Do I need to choose 4GB or 64GB in "High Memory Support" in the kernelconfig when i have less then 4GB ram but more then 4GB memory if I include swap ? |
| 12:37.26 | x3on | yes |
| 12:37.30 | Wyzard | garo: no |
| 12:38.09 | Wyzard | garo: but if you have a recent processor, it can be a good idea to choose 64GB anyway, because that enables the "No Execute" (aka "Execute Disable") feature found in recent processors, which helps to guard against buffer-overflow attacks |
| 12:38.22 | sharika | can i navigate through the nautilus file browser from a shell script or a c program? |
| 12:38.22 | abrotman | if he has 64bit ? |
| 12:38.39 | sharika | what i am trying to do is to add a voice control to nautilus;-) |
| 12:38.53 | x3on | Wyzard, I have network manager added to autostart applications - should i have a go at rebooting and seeing if NM starts and sees my wireless card? |
| 12:38.54 | Wyzard | 64-bit processors have it enabled all the time |
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| 12:39.02 | Wyzard | x3on: sure |
| 12:39.13 | x3on | Thanks a shitload :-) |
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| 12:39.16 | Wyzard | 32-bit processors only do it in PAE mode, which CONFIG_64G enables |
| 12:39.19 | x3on | bbs - hopefully |
| 12:39.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: He wouldn't be seeing that config question if he were compiling a 64-bit kernel, though |
| 12:39.44 | abrotman | i didn't realize any 32bit x86 CPUs had the no execute stuff |
| 12:40.03 | Wyzard | yeah, it's been around for a few years |
| 12:40.12 | abrotman | i know it has .. but i thought only on 64bi |
| 12:40.13 | abrotman | bit |
| 12:40.26 | Wyzard | My Pentium M laptop has it |
| 12:40.42 | Wyzard | and I run -bigmem kernels on it for that reason |
| 12:40.45 | x3on | what lappy are you running Wyz? |
| 12:40.52 | Wyzard | x3on: Thinkpad Z60m |
| 12:40.56 | x3on | cool |
| 12:41.06 | x3on | i have a compaq x1000, love it |
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| 12:41.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: ibm or lenovo ? |
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| 12:41.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: It says IBM, but I think this is the first model that was actually designed by Lenovo after the transition |
| 12:41.58 | garo | Is there something in /proc/cpuinfo (or somewhere else) that i can check to see if the system is 64bit ? |
| 12:42.04 | abrotman | the z-series TP are dead |
| 12:42.14 | abrotman | just r/t/x |
| 12:42.22 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 12:42.29 | x3on | brb |
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| 12:42.52 | Wyzard | garo: There's probably something on the "flags" line that'll tell you, but I'm not sure offhand what it is... you could look at the "model name" line and just look up that model online to see what it supports |
| 12:43.27 | Wyzard | garo: but even if the processor is 64-bit-capable, if you're running i386 Debian (as opposed to amd64 Debian), you're using it as 32-bit and should treat it as such |
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| 12:44.00 | garo | i'm pretty sure that the system is 32bit but not 100% |
| 12:44.35 | Wyzard | garo: uname -m |
| 12:44.39 | garo | for example in /proc/cpuinfo there is a line that tells me "clflush size : 64" |
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| 12:44.56 | garo | no idea what it means, but 64... |
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| 12:45.06 | abrotman | clflush size : 64 |
| 12:45.09 | pinco | hi |
| 12:45.10 | abrotman | and i know mine is 32bit |
| 12:45.22 | Wyzard | garo: That's unrelated |
| 12:45.46 | garo | uname -m tells me : i686 |
| 12:45.49 | L0cKn | asd |
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| 12:45.58 | garo | but I used a old cd to install |
| 12:46.02 | pinco | can someone tell to me where i can download dvd debian sid? |
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| 12:46.09 | garo | my old knoppix |
| 12:46.23 | Wyzard | pinco: Debian doesn't make CD images of sid... install etch and dist-upgrade |
| 12:46.26 | pinco | or i have to install testing and then change the repository? |
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| 12:47.03 | pinco | ok |
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| 12:47.15 | pinco | thank wyzard |
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| 12:47.28 | pinco | only another thing |
| 12:47.57 | Wyzard | garo: then you have a 32-bit OS |
| 12:48.19 | Wyzard | garo: though that says nothing about what your processor supports |
| 12:48.25 | Wyzard | garo: Knoppix isn't supported in #debian, btw |
| 12:48.34 | david__ | sorry i fell down, so far,i go on about my issue: my debian and windows are connected rj45 |
| 12:49.01 | david__ | david__ is the same that iguanngo before |
| 12:50.15 | garo | Wyzard: i run debian, i just always use knoppix to install it |
| 12:50.16 | Wyzard | garo: Does the "flags" line in /proc/cpuinfo include a flag called "nx" ? |
| 12:50.37 | garo | no |
| 12:50.47 | garo | nx means 64 bit ? |
| 12:50.59 | Ronin | garo: why not just install debian instead of a basterized version with knoppix |
| 12:51.01 | Wyzard | A Knoppix HD-install is not a Debian installation |
| 12:51.13 | garo | I know |
| 12:51.21 | Wyzard | garo: No, that's the No Execute feature I mentioned, that needs the 64GB setting to actually work |
| 12:51.21 | garo | But you can even install debian with a redhat |
| 12:51.33 | abrotman | how did you install debian with knoppix ? |
| 12:51.33 | Wyzard | garo: With debootstrap, you mean? |
| 12:51.38 | garo | idd |
| 12:51.50 | garo | you just have to do a bit more manual |
| 12:52.08 | liable | i like to where my purple hat when i install |
| 12:52.10 | Ronin | abrotman: my question is why |
| 12:52.17 | Wyzard | garo: seems weird to do debootstrap from Knoppix rather than just using Debian's installer |
| 12:52.21 | abrotman | Ronin: i know that answer :) |
| 12:52.25 | Ronin | abrotman: laziness? |
| 12:52.33 | garo | It saves me the trouble of downloading a other cd |
| 12:52.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:52.47 | Ronin | garo: one little mini-cd is too much trouble? ;) |
| 12:52.47 | Wyzard | garo: Anyway, if your processor doesn't do NX, then there's no point in choosing the 64GB option when you have less than 4GB of RAM |
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| 12:54.11 | garo | And when I choose 4GB, will i still be able to use all my swap ? ram + swap > 4GB |
| 12:54.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:54.39 | Wyzard | garo: Yes, that setting has nothing to do with swap |
| 12:54.44 | garo | Ronin: a debian net-install is more then 50mb if i remember correctly |
| 12:54.51 | garo | ah, k |
| 12:54.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: why can't i get a T with just the trackpoint ? |
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| 12:55.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: dunno, but I like having both |
| 12:55.16 | abrotman | freak |
| 12:55.19 | Ronin | garo: yes so? cd-rw use it once and you have debian and we could help |
| 12:55.37 | Wyzard | touchpad for general usage, trackpoint when more precision is needed |
| 12:55.48 | Ronin | in any case ineed coffee now!! |
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| 12:57.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: but i can get the R with just a trackpoint |
| 12:57.36 | garo | Ronin: I have exactly the same debian as you at the moment |
| 12:57.55 | Ronin | garo: not if you started with knoppix |
| 12:57.57 | garo | it's not a knoppix hd-install or ubuntu or something like thit |
| 12:58.10 | garo | Ronin: i did not do a knoppix hd-install |
| 12:58.33 | windyh | Is it possible to mount more than one partition on an external usb drive? |
| 12:58.35 | Wyzard | Ronin: debootstrap is a valid way to install real Debian |
| 12:58.38 | Wyzard | windyh: sure |
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| 12:58.58 | zicho | If i want a shell script to display different results if a process is running or not, how can i do that? |
| 12:59.03 | windyh | it didn't show up when I tried it - do I need to just mount it manually? |
| 12:59.23 | Hamish | Hello, I have created a deb package of some software, I want to add a applications menu shortcut to the package itself |
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| 12:59.29 | Wyzard | windyh: possibly... I've never tried it so I don't know if the udev auto-mounting does it |
| 12:59.32 | Hamish | How would I do that? |
| 12:59.55 | Wyzard | Hamish: It involves creating a .desktop file which gets installed in a certain directory... more than that I don't know offhand |
| 12:59.59 | windyh | thanks, Wyzard |
| 13:00.12 | Hamish | i have the .desktop file i need.. |
| 13:00.16 | abrotman | !menu |
| 13:00.17 | dpkg | i guess menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
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| 13:00.33 | Hamish | But when I add into data.tar.gz inside the deb, it gets removed |
| 13:00.40 | mike1o | !amd64 |
| 13:00.40 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 13:01.02 | Hamish | abrotman: I know how to add something to the menu.. |
| 13:01.16 | Hamish | I want a deb to add the .desktop file to the menu when it is installed.. |
| 13:01.52 | Ronin | garo: ahh pardon i thought you did a knoppix install then edited your sources.list |
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| 13:02.23 | smhar | I have a P3 computer that has a 20GB harddisk which is working fine with windows, I tried knoppix live and it used it with no errors or problems, but when I installed debian, although the install completed and the system boots and uses the hard disk, the kernel gives a lot errors relating to seek error and stuff. what is wrong? |
| 13:03.32 | Wyzard | smhar: could be a failing disk... installing and running a whole OS from a hard drive is a bit more demanding than just mounting it from a liveCD |
| 13:03.59 | wols_ | smhar: run smartmontools (long test) under knoppix |
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| 13:04.25 | sshhhh | hi all! I have a problem trying to configure DDNS+DHCP. When my dhcp server try to update the DNS server adding a new entry, I get this error in named log: updating zone 'home.com/IN': update unsuccessful: homepc.home.com: 'name in use' prerequisite not satisfied (NXDOMAIN) |
| 13:04.25 | windyh | I get a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever I see the words, "seek error" |
| 13:04.37 | wols_ | windyh: same here |
| 13:05.04 | wols_ | sshhhh: how big is your network? |
| 13:05.32 | sshhhh | wols_, small, 15-20 computers |
| 13:05.47 | wols_ | use dnsmasq (imho). for both DNS and DHCP |
| 13:05.51 | Wyzard | sshhhh: dunno about the DDNS part, but you should avoid using "home.com" as a private zone, since that conflicts with a real domain on the Internet |
| 13:05.58 | Wyzard | sshhhh: Use something like "home.lan" instead |
| 13:06.21 | force | or setup a local zone for home.com |
| 13:06.41 | Wyzard | force: That's what I'm saying should be avoided |
| 13:06.49 | force | well of course |
| 13:06.51 | sshhhh | Wyzard, mmm, it's a good idea. I now have a "view" |
| 13:06.52 | force | but if he wants it.. |
| 13:07.32 | sshhhh | wols_, dnsmasq? googling... |
| 13:07.40 | wols_ | sshhhh: apt-cache show dnsmasq |
| 13:07.53 | sshhhh | wols_, :), let me see |
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| 13:08.06 | Wyzard | sshhhh: It's a combined DHCP+DNS server, which automatically creates DNS records for machines that are granted DHCP leases |
| 13:08.35 | wols_ | "It is designed to provide DNS and optionally, DHCP, to a small network. It can serve the names of local machines which are not in the global DNS. The DHCP server integrates with the DNS |
| 13:08.40 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.42 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.42 | wols_ | doh. sorry |
| 13:08.44 | sshhhh | Wyzard, ah! thanks |
| 13:08.59 | Wyzard | sshhhh: You can configure static MAC-to-IP mappings by putting them in /etc/ethers, and static IP-to-hostname mappings by putting them in /etc/hosts -- very straightforward |
| 13:09.33 | elenril | is there a standard tool to configure network in Debian? |
| 13:09.39 | sshhhh | ok. it seems good |
| 13:10.03 | sshhhh | Wyzard, wols_ , thanks!! : ) |
| 13:10.45 | smhar | wols_, what is the command? |
| 13:10.55 | wols_ | it's man smartctl |
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| 13:11.30 | smhar | wols_, knoppix 5.11 booted in init 3 mode but there is no smartmontools command |
| 13:11.30 | x3on | hey Wyzard, im on wireless :-) |
| 13:11.37 | Wyzard | x3on: cool |
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| 13:11.44 | cast | evening |
| 13:11.50 | smhar | smartctrl, thanks wols_ |
| 13:11.52 | Wyzard | smhar: It might not have it, then... try a different liveCD, like Ubuntu |
| 13:12.08 | x3on | pretty hacked up solution though, ended up using the network admin gui to config it .. so im not sure exactly whats going on behind the scenes |
| 13:12.13 | Wyzard | smhar: and/or ask in #knoppix why they don't seem to have smartmontools |
| 13:12.21 | Wyzard | x3on: You should look into using NetworkManager |
| 13:12.22 | Hamish | How would I include a .desktop file in a deb package, so it automatically install a menu item? |
| 13:12.29 | x3on | Damn internet is still just as slow as when it was wired... its really weird |
| 13:12.46 | abrotman | wtf is a "WD memory" ? |
| 13:12.50 | Wyzard | Hamish: AFAIK, it shouldn't be any different from including any other file in a package |
| 13:12.51 | x3on | it takes ages for my browser or whatevers trying to access the internet to negotiate a connection |
| 13:13.06 | chronographer | ipv6? |
| 13:13.09 | Hamish | Yeah, but I'm new to making deb packages. |
| 13:13.10 | Wyzard | Hamish: and there's probably debhelper stuff for installing .desktop files, but I'm not a maintainer so I don't know any details of that |
| 13:13.16 | wols_ | abrotman: a western digital harddisk? |
| 13:13.20 | Hamish | All I did dh_make |
| 13:13.26 | Hamish | and dpkg-stuff |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | wols_: NFC .. |
| 13:13.39 | Hamish | And it included everything automatically |
| 13:13.58 | x3on | where can I look into problems regarding tcp/ip lag? |
| 13:14.33 | x3on | my housemates can access the internet wired and wirelessly at normal speeds, my wired and wireless is slow |
| 13:14.39 | Wyzard | x3on: You could use a tool like wireshark to look at the traffic and figure out where the delay is occurring -- whether it's taking a long time to resolve DNS hostnames, for example |
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| 13:15.40 | liable | x3on: what kind of router do you have? its not a billion is it? |
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| 13:16.22 | x3on | liable: Belkin :-) |
| 13:16.31 | x3on | and like i said its just me having probs my housemates are fine |
| 13:16.35 | x3on | so i suspect its my deb |
| 13:17.06 | liable | x3on: get wireshark as wizard says, i have had my billion and a linksys a while ago have probelms due to ipv6 lookups |
| 13:17.16 | x3on | ooh |
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| 13:17.30 | liable | disabling ipv6 fixed it for me both times |
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| 13:17.43 | abrotman | wols_: a USB drive apparently |
| 13:17.43 | x3on | can I ask you how to disable ipv6 in advance |
| 13:17.45 | liable | billion fixed there firmware eventually |
| 13:17.46 | x3on | i might try that first |
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| 13:18.05 | liable | x3on: modprobe -r ipv6 (if it will let you) |
| 13:18.32 | liable | you might need to remove your network modules too if they are using it |
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| 13:18.50 | x3on | FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use. |
| 13:18.51 | x3on | :P |
| 13:18.52 | geo-rge | whats a billion |
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| 13:19.02 | liable | geo-rge: brand of router |
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| 13:21.19 | x3on | liable - how can i disable that module? |
| 13:21.32 | liable | x3on: you can add ipv6 to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and uncomment it in /etc/modules.conf and reboot if it gets to hard |
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| 13:22.02 | masus | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, produces nothing , anyone an idea ? |
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| 13:22.11 | x3on | hrm /etc/modules.conf is blank |
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| 13:22.14 | Wyzard | masus: It's xserver-xorg these days |
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| 13:22.34 | masus | :) |
| 13:22.38 | Wyzard | x3on: That file isn't used anymore afaik... doesn't even exist on my system |
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| 13:23.10 | liable | Wyzard: hrm, i have it on a freshly installed box. |
| 13:23.13 | geo-rge | masus: I have an idea... but it would require two sheep and a truckload of beer |
| 13:23.25 | masus | yes realy i want |
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| 13:23.27 | liable | though it was installed with an rc etch installer |
| 13:23.30 | masus | but i'm far away |
| 13:23.35 | masus | :) |
| 13:24.26 | Wyzard | liable: so was mine |
| 13:25.04 | geo-rge | see, the sheep jump around on the trampoline... |
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| 13:25.16 | liable | Wyzard: strange |
| 13:25.20 | geo-rge | and I sell tickets and beer |
| 13:25.43 | smhar | Wyzard, iknoppix has it.. and I ran it,, everything seems ok! |
| 13:25.57 | Wyzard | liable: doesn't exist on my laptop either, and that's been running sid for about 2 years |
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| 13:26.16 | smhar | wols_, test seems ok.. what should I look for? |
| 13:26.26 | liable | Wyzard: heh, i have it on my etch box, and this laptop that i installed two weeks ago. |
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| 13:27.54 | Wyzard | smhar: long test? |
| 13:27.56 | Xirtam | is it possible to install etch with the installer on a raid5 without having all drives connected (i have 4 disks but i want to use only 3 within the installation because i have the backup at the 4th disk) |
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| 13:28.36 | Wyzard | Xirtam: It's possible to create a degraded array, but I'm not sure if the installer supports it... you might need to do it manually from a shell on the CD |
| 13:28.37 | academy | I forgot to fail a drive before removing it from my raid5 array. How can I force mdadm to forget the drive because it's just adding my new drive as a spare. |
| 13:28.48 | geo-rge | masus: see if dpkg has any ideas (/msg dpkg any ideas) |
| 13:28.50 | Wyzard | academy: mdadm --remove /dev/foo |
| 13:28.58 | Wyzard | IIRC |
| 13:29.03 | Xirtam | thx Wyzard i can do but it was easier with the installer ;) |
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| 13:29.47 | Wyzard | academy: "mdadm --remove detached" looks interesting |
| 13:29.57 | Hamish | How do I add a file to a deb package? I want to add a .desktop menu item to a deb I have built using dh_make |
| 13:30.28 | academy | Wyzard, it's picked up my new drive as /dev/sde even though I just hoswapped it so /dev/sdc no longer exists |
| 13:30.35 | academy | Wyzard, detached doesn't work either :( |
| 13:30.51 | geo-rge | Hamish: look at the debian menu package |
| 13:30.57 | Wyzard | academy: Your /proc/mdstat shows the removed disk as failed, right? |
| 13:30.57 | wols_ | Hamish: how about loking at the package source for a deb that already does it? |
| 13:31.07 | simon | there's something disturbing about sleeping for 12 hours and finding out you're all still here. |
| 13:31.26 | academy | no, it's just not listed anymore |
| 13:31.32 | Wyzard | academy: The kernel takes a few seconds to recognize the removal of a drive after you've unplugged it, so maybe you plugged in your new drive before sdc was actually gone |
| 13:31.34 | academy | I have 2x drives and 2x removed |
| 13:31.34 | Hamish | geo-rge: I have looked at that menu.ex, but it doesn't let me have an icon. |
| 13:31.36 | geo-rge | oh, me? I fell asleep in my chair |
| 13:31.50 | wols_ | simon: we only slept 8h you slacker |
| 13:31.54 | geo-rge | we must all have icons... |
| 13:32.21 | Wyzard | academy: I don't understand what you mean by "2x drives and 2x removed" |
| 13:32.26 | geo-rge | we did more in the last 4 hours than you did since you joined again :) |
| 13:32.32 | Hamish | wols_: I know how they do it, they include the file in data.tar.gz inside the deb |
| 13:32.46 | Hamish | but when i add anything to data.tar.gz in the deb, it gets currupted and doesnt work |
| 13:32.51 | academy | Wyzard, mdadm --detail lists two active, synced drives, two removed and a spare |
| 13:32.54 | wols_ | if you know, why are you asking? |
| 13:33.17 | Hamish | because when i try adding files to data.tar.gz is goes currupted |
| 13:33.18 | Wyzard | academy: and /proc/mdstat? |
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| 13:33.46 | academy | md1 : active raid5 sde4[4](S) sdd4[2] sdb4[0] |
| 13:33.46 | academy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.52 | wols_ | how do you add them? and how is it "corrupted"? |
| 13:33.55 | geo-rge | Hamish: you have to rebuild the deb |
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| 13:34.18 | geo-rge | wols_: sounds like he's directly adding to the data tarball |
| 13:34.23 | Hamish | yes I am |
| 13:34.27 | wols_ | duh! |
| 13:34.30 | Wyzard | academy: You have two disks missing from a raid5 array... that means the whole array is dead |
| 13:34.34 | academy | Wyzard, the fourth drive is missing because I was migrating an old drive but in the process drive 2 failed on me |
| 13:34.44 | academy | Wyzard, argh ok |
| 13:34.45 | Hamish | how else should I add the files? |
| 13:34.45 | Wyzard | academy: raid5 only handles failure of 1 drive |
| 13:34.48 | edistar_ | are there any nice programs for encoding&2burning avi 2 dvd? |
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| 13:34.52 | geo-rge | again,,, you have to figure out how to build the deb |
| 13:35.00 | wols_ | Hamish: like geo-rge said: build the deb from source |
| 13:35.15 | academy | Wyzard ok, thanks. Btw, should I go for raid5 or raid6 with four disks? |
| 13:35.15 | Hamish | right |
| 13:35.20 | Hamish | is there any documentation on how to do that? |
| 13:35.28 | geo-rge | haha :) |
| 13:35.30 | simon | wols_, I worked for 30 hours, so 12 hours is justified. ;-) the sleep ratio is 0.4 as opposed to your 0.5. |
| 13:35.34 | geo-rge | is there documentation |
| 13:35.41 | geo-rge | just remember, you asked :) |
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| 13:35.48 | geo-rge | www.debian.org/devel |
| 13:35.49 | wols_ | !tell Hamish about nm |
| 13:35.49 | Wyzard | academy: depends on whether you need the extra redundancy of raid6, and don't mind having less space available |
| 13:36.06 | academy | ok |
| 13:36.51 | geo-rge | you don't have to be a maint to build a package btw... just to upload it... but you don't have to do that either |
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| 13:38.08 | Hamish | ok |
| 13:38.08 | Wyzard | academy: FWIW, if one of your "failed" drive is actually working and reasonably up-to-date with respect to the rest of the array, it's possible to recover the array by putting that disk back so you only have one missing |
| 13:38.21 | Wyzard | academy: but it requires some trickery, and it's risky |
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| 13:38.41 | Wyzard | academy: can be helpful if you really need the data, though... I've done it once |
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| 13:39.33 | abrotman | what do you use for vfat recovery in linux? mondo ? |
| 13:40.12 | masus | ! xserver |
| 13:40.16 | masus | :) |
| 13:40.36 | wols_ | abrotman: mkfs.ext3. reclaims the wasted space nicely :) |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | wols_: yeah .. it's not mine |
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| 13:41.06 | Wyzard | abrotman: There's a "dosfsck" somewhere |
| 13:41.18 | sharika | hi i have a sony dcr-trv355e handycam..i installed dvgrab and did modprobe aw 1394..and all now i have device raw 1394..but as type dvgrab in the command line it says ERROR:no camera exists |
| 13:41.24 | abrotman | is there still 'undelete' in XP ? |
| 13:41.32 | Wyzard | not that I know of |
| 13:41.38 | Wyzard | You need a third-party app for that |
| 13:41.39 | abrotman | i guess that was for fat32 .. not ntfs |
| 13:41.47 | Wyzard | FinalData is one that I've heard of |
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| 13:44.22 | sharika | lsusb says there is sony handy cam and dmseg says... |
| 13:44.25 | sharika | uvcvideo: Trying format 0x47504a4d (MJPG): 320x240. |
| 13:44.25 | sharika | uvcvideo: Using default frame interval 33333.3 us (30.0 fps). |
| 13:44.25 | sharika | uvcvideo: Setting frame interval to 1/15 (666666). |
| 13:44.25 | sharika | uvcvideo: Button event (0). |
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| 13:44.31 | ttyS1 | i'm trying to get a script to run before xorg starts, where should I put this script ? |
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| 13:46.24 | GoAuLd | Hi, i bought a core 2 duo laptop, i have a question, does 64 bit distro speed boost over 32 bit distro ? |
| 13:46.56 | Wyzard | GoAuLd: Maybe a little, but nothing major |
| 13:47.05 | Merlin-- | Hello guys I have a debian Ubuntu with two NICs both RTL8139 I only can get one to work can anyone help me configure them both |
| 13:47.07 | Merlin-- | ? |
| 13:47.20 | Wyzard | Merlin--: #ubuntu |
| 13:47.21 | abrotman | Merlin--: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:47.41 | Wyzard | Merlin--: There's no such thing as "Debian Ubuntu"... they're different distributions |
| 13:47.55 | GoAuLd | wyzard can u tell me what kernel to install ? |
| 13:47.59 | claudio` | I'm trying to setting up a Samsung ML-2251N but i found this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442127 . Does anyone know how can I use this printer? |
| 13:48.01 | abrotman | ttyS1: /etc/init.d/ and link to it from rc2.d |
| 13:48.03 | fossuser | i install gtk-qt-engine but doesn't seem to change the layout of iceweasel to kde style, any pointer is appreciated |
| 13:48.06 | GoAuLd | 64 bit kern or SMP ? |
| 13:48.46 | Wyzard | GoAuLd: All Debian's kernels support SMP, so both your cores will work |
| 13:49.03 | GoAuLd | alrright thank u |
| 13:49.12 | stew | abrotman: go blue jays |
| 13:49.19 | GoAuLd | fossuser: u have that option under control panel |
| 13:49.22 | abrotman | stew: YES! |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | stew: at least you got your money's worth :) |
| 13:49.36 | stew | yeah, for sure |
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| 13:49.52 | Wyzard | GoAuLd: As for which processor type to use, 32-bit etch has "amd64" kernels which are optimized for these processors, but the plain -686 kernel will work too |
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| 13:50.06 | stew | abrotman: when it went from 4-0 to 4-4 in the ninth i thought rachel was going to throw up |
| 13:50.29 | abrotman | stew: i'm sure there was quite a bit of screaming/bitching :) |
| 13:50.47 | fossuser | GoAuLd: under Appearance & Theme, I chose "Use my KDE style in GTK applications", "Use my KDE fonts in GTK applications" and clicked "Install scrollbar fix...", nothing happened.... |
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| 13:51.09 | Ronin | go jays go jays!!! canada does its happy dance |
| 13:51.24 | abrotman | stew: i was sitting here spouting obscene words for most of that inning |
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| 13:58.07 | smhar | Wyzard, wols_ , ok..smartctrl -l selftest -t short /dev/short shows everything ok... trying the long test now |
| 13:58.34 | Crystal` | who the debian group contacts are ? |
| 13:58.49 | Wyzard | smhar: You don't use "-l selftest" and "-t short" at the same time... start the test, wait awhile for it to finish, and then run again with "-l selftest" to see the results |
| 13:59.16 | valdyn | Crystal`: what do you need? |
| 14:00.14 | smhar | Wyzard, roger |
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| 14:01.06 | xtor_ | Is exim really such a great mail package...why is debian the only distro to default to it? |
| 14:01.07 | Crystal` | valdyn i need talk to the debian group contacts and ask them for a cloak |
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| 14:02.06 | valdyn | xtor_: its older than postfix, and debian did the switch off sendmail much eaerlier than other distros |
| 14:02.09 | amphi | xtor_: I think its's the default for hysterical reasons |
| 14:02.23 | smhar | on another note, and while test is running, I am getting a new computer soon, the first notebook, and I will give my current pc to my wife, but I want to keep my settings, thunderbird email boxes, firefox preferences history and bookmarks, basically a lot of the things in my /home . is a copy to server and restore to new computer enough? |
| 14:02.51 | xtor_ | hysterical as in...security related? |
| 14:03.01 | amphi | xtor_: no, as in historical |
| 14:03.10 | abrotman | something had to be picked .. and that's what was picked |
| 14:03.29 | Hamish | wols_: I still have a problem with my deb package, but I think I have come a bit further... I now have a directory like this: /build/package-version/DEBIAN/package |
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| 14:03.38 | Hamish | And inside /debian/packge |
| 14:03.41 | Hamish | i added the files i need |
| 14:03.44 | Hamish | for a menu shortcut |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 14:03.47 | dpkg | mentors is, like, Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 14:03.52 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 14:04.05 | Hamish | Now how do I build a package from that directory? |
| 14:04.16 | reiser2 | how can i capture the Debian Install Screens ? |
| 14:04.42 | Hamish | Anyone? |
| 14:05.23 | valdyn | reiser2: with a camera, via virtualisation |
| 14:05.29 | reiser2 | ?? |
| 14:05.37 | krazykit | reiser2, use qemu or virtualbox or something. |
| 14:05.40 | reiser2 | i have PowerShot A65 |
| 14:05.48 | reiser2 | but, how can i dod that? |
| 14:05.52 | reiser2 | do that |
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| 14:06.11 | valdyn | reiser2: photography is probably off topic here |
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| 14:06.48 | krazykit | reiser2, no, install debian within qemu or virtualbox and use simply take screenshots like that. |
| 14:07.45 | geo-rge | Hamish: try dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:07.54 | geo-rge | also try... |
| 14:08.03 | geo-rge | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 14:08.06 | geo-rge | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 14:08.11 | geo-rge | fakeroot debian/rules binaru |
| 14:08.13 | geo-rge | y |
| 14:08.22 | geo-rge | the last one should be |
| 14:08.26 | geo-rge | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 14:08.49 | geo-rge | so you do those three commands in that order |
| 14:09.06 | geo-rge | either way, look in .. for the result |
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| 14:09.27 | DexterF | hi |
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| 14:09.44 | geo-rge | reiser2: maybe photo.net will help you with the camera part |
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| 14:10.04 | DexterF | I noticed there's no checkinstall in the official repositories. so - no easy way to create a quick and dirty deb? |
| 14:10.39 | geo-rge | not really... |
| 14:10.44 | geo-rge | but |
| 14:10.57 | geo-rge | what is it you're trying to build |
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| 14:11.15 | valdyn | !info checkinstall |
| 14:11.17 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
| 14:11.18 | valdyn | !info checkinstall etch |
| 14:11.18 | geo-rge | maybe the source is already debianized |
| 14:11.29 | yggdrasil | can somone tell me how to force my cpu fan to start , on this laptop ? |
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| 14:11.52 | valdyn | yggdrasil: it should start as soon as cpu gets hot, automagically |
| 14:12.04 | yggdrasil | valdyn i know that, i need to force it |
| 14:12.21 | geo-rge | gets hot in nm, huh? |
| 14:12.25 | yggdrasil | i think the heat sensor is bad |
| 14:12.31 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 14:12.50 | reiser2 | krazykit: how it works? i mean qemu |
| 14:12.55 | geo-rge | gary willis used to live an hour away fromyou |
| 14:13.03 | valdyn | reiser2: read the documentation |
| 14:13.06 | yggdrasil | i mean there should be a way in acpid to force it to start |
| 14:13.26 | valdyn | yggdrasil: acpid just reacts to acpi events.. |
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| 14:13.39 | valdyn | yggdrasil: how you start the fan is usually h/w dependent |
| 14:14.05 | valdyn | yggdrasil: and not appreciated or documented by vendors, did you try google? |
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| 14:14.27 | yggdrasil | illl try it |
| 14:14.47 | yggdrasil | how asbout cmd line to chk tempurature |
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| 14:15.29 | valdyn | yggdrasil: /proc/acpi/ for some models, lm-sensors for most cpus |
| 14:15.33 | yggdrasil | cat something |
| 14:15.36 | valdyn | yggdrasil: i.e.: run sensors-detect |
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| 14:16.55 | cwheeler | hi i need to configure virtual ip on a debian server what program do i use? |
| 14:17.07 | force | ifconfig |
| 14:17.19 | geo-rge | nano |
| 14:17.31 | valdyn | cwheeler: what's 'virtual ip' supposed to mean? a 2nd ip for a physical interface? |
| 14:17.36 | cwheeler | yes |
| 14:17.43 | cwheeler | i know how to hack the rc files |
| 14:17.50 | valdyn | cwheeler: 2nd ip is just like the first ip |
| 14:17.51 | cwheeler | i wanted to do it the elegant debian way |
| 14:18.01 | valdyn | cwheeler: its not treated any different |
| 14:18.07 | valdyn | cwheeler: man interfaces |
| 14:18.21 | cwheeler | i understand all that i've done it before |
| 14:18.35 | cwheeler | is there a debian tool to do it is my question or do i hack the rc files? |
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| 14:18.47 | valdyn | cwheeler: you edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:18.59 | geo-rge | the debian tool reads /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:19.01 | wols_ | config files are not "hacked". they're there to be edited |
| 14:19.09 | geo-rge | so you edit that file |
| 14:19.18 | cwheeler | whatever edit the rc files |
| 14:19.21 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 14:19.44 | valdyn | i suppose hell froze oever since /etc/network/interfaces is an rc file now |
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| 14:20.04 | garo | This is going to be a problem... I need to get a pcicard out of a system but i can't shutdown the system and then i have to put it in another system that also can't be turned down |
| 14:20.07 | cwheeler | thanks i know how to do it now |
| 14:20.11 | DexterF | geo-rge: ah, I'll try and get the checkinstall src then. |
| 14:20.25 | SpeedyG | garo: why can't it be shutdown? |
| 14:20.28 | cast | garo: so buy another one :) |
| 14:20.36 | valdyn | garo: i think hotplugging can work with luck |
| 14:20.45 | HardDisk_WP | since when is PCI hot-pluggable?! |
| 14:20.45 | garo | it runs applications that have to keep running |
| 14:20.48 | valdyn | garo: and also break your hardware |
| 14:20.59 | geo-rge | oh, pci card? |
| 14:21.01 | garo | i think i'm fucked... |
| 14:21.03 | geo-rge | umm. |
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| 14:21.17 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that's mainboard dependend |
| 14:21.18 | geo-rge | DO NOT remove a pci card without powering down. |
| 14:21.25 | SpeedyG | garo: what kind of apps ? why cant they be stopped? etc, etc, |
| 14:21.36 | geo-rge | and |
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| 14:22.01 | geo-rge | DO NOT insert/install a pci card without powering down. |
| 14:22.14 | garo | SpeedyG: I am not asking for a solution (there is none) I am just letting you share in my problems :) |
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| 14:22.43 | ttyS1 | hello, I created a script, put it in /etc/init.d and ran sudo update-rc.d script defaults. The script was added to rc0 to rc6. However it doesn't look like the scripts starts before gdm starts. Is there a way I can specify the order of importance for the script to run ? |
| 14:22.44 | geo-rge | if you do, you will destroy your motherboard |
| 14:22.45 | SpeedyG | garo: only thing i'm wondering about is, what if that box breaks down? hardware failure .. ;) |
| 14:23.02 | garo | then I'm also fucked |
| 14:23.15 | SpeedyG | gheh |
| 14:23.41 | geo-rge | ttyS1: yes... man update-rc.d :) |
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| 14:23.58 | cast | garo: if you ran xen you could do a live migration :D |
| 14:23.58 | diafic_ | I have a cue/bin DVD. How do I burn it? cue/bin disk movie image |
| 14:24.01 | geo-rge | also read /etc/init.d/README |
| 14:24.15 | valdyn | diafic_: with cdrdao |
| 14:24.18 | cast | diafic_: well to burn a image, i use growisofs |
| 14:24.32 | garo | well actually... nobody will die and nothing will explode if I turn it down... but it would be better if it could stay up |
| 14:24.32 | valdyn | diafic_: uh, a dvd? |
| 14:24.44 | valdyn | diafic_: more like a cdrom? |
| 14:25.03 | ttyS1 | geo-rge: cool thanks |
| 14:25.19 | garo | cast: ironically, I am running xen but the non-virtual-system is also running things that i don't want to shutdown |
| 14:25.44 | reiser2 | somebody here know qemu ? |
| 14:25.57 | simon | yes, several of us probably do. |
| 14:26.02 | cast | garo: why run anything in dom0? |
| 14:26.19 | reiser2 | i am following the manual, but nothing happen |
| 14:26.28 | reiser2 | http://calamari.reverse-dns.net:980/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/QuickStartGuide |
| 14:26.42 | reiser2 | when i type qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom -hda c.img -m 256 -boot d |
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| 14:26.48 | valdyn | Access Denied. |
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| 14:27.03 | geo-rge | !! |
| 14:27.03 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 14:27.10 | sharika | hi i have a sony dcr-trv handycam with a usb cable..how can i make the usb streaming working in debian? |
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| 14:28.01 | garo | cast: because I am stupid :( |
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| 14:28.32 | Hamish | geo-rge: Can i msg you? I think I'm really close to working out this package thing. |
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| 14:29.16 | SpeedyG | garo: making mistakes (even the bad ones) is regular human behaviour.... just try to learn from it ;) |
| 14:29.17 | geo-rge | maybe after I get back from coffee |
| 14:29.41 | Hamish | ok |
| 14:29.42 | abrotman | reiser2: what do you mean 'nothing' ? |
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| 14:30.14 | SpeedyG | *ugh* thats a nasty one cast ;) |
| 14:30.21 | reiser2 | QEMU PC emulator version 0.8.2, Copyright (c) 2003-2005 Fabrice Bellard |
| 14:30.22 | reiser2 | usage: qemu [options] [disk_image] |
| 14:30.27 | reiser2 | and so on |
| 14:30.54 | DexterF | what would cause this error: Failed to assign loopback device for file-hosted volume |
| 14:31.06 | DexterF | trying to mount a truecrypt container |
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| 14:31.46 | cast | is truecrypt in debian? |
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| 14:32.02 | DexterF | cast: no, compiled from src |
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| 14:32.16 | cast | ahh. ask the truecrypt channel then ;) |
| 14:32.41 | DexterF | there is none. I wasn't sure who's the culprit here, debian or tc, so I wanted to check back first |
| 14:33.07 | cast | i presume you're using truecrypt to access stuff you encrypted in windows? |
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| 14:34.16 | DexterF | cast: no |
| 14:34.29 | cast | then what is your desire to use it |
| 14:34.54 | DexterF | container created on slackware. worked fine there. works in kubuntu. doesn't work in debian, clueless |
| 14:35.05 | cast | ahh. |
| 14:35.26 | DexterF | just ran strace... need to see what it tries to do... |
| 14:35.36 | smhar | what is the best way to transfer my /home directory from one computer to another? |
| 14:35.41 | cast | probably better in future to stick to dm-crypt based systems as they're always supported ;) |
| 14:35.48 | cast | smhar: depends. is this over the lan? |
| 14:36.13 | smhar | cast, Well, both are connected to the same lan |
| 14:36.27 | xand | you could either rsync it, or tar it up and scp it |
| 14:36.28 | DexterF | cast: well, tc is very easy to use hence I like it better than dm-crypt |
| 14:36.38 | cast | smhar: netcat and tar are nice and quit |
| 14:36.53 | xand | or tar over netcat if the network is trusted enough ;) |
| 14:36.59 | cast | DexterF: oh, ever used cryptsetup w/ luks? [which is the debian default] |
| 14:37.01 | reiser2 | abrotman: any idea? |
| 14:37.24 | cast | quick* |
| 14:37.37 | abrotman | reiser2: seems fine tome |
| 14:37.40 | smhar | cast, xand, it is my small home network of 5 computers |
| 14:37.43 | DexterF | cast: last time I checked it required kernel patching, hence I didn't touch it, in case my distro borks I want to able to just access from a live cd if need be. |
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| 14:37.47 | reiser2 | the first i run was qemu-img create -f qcow c.img 3G |
| 14:38.02 | smhar | cast, xand what about userid ? |
| 14:38.03 | xand | smhar: you may want to consider nfs for /home |
| 14:38.11 | cast | DexterF: that's odd. that may have been the case in 2.4, but in 2.6 dm-crypt depreciates cryptoloop |
| 14:38.27 | DexterF | well, it's been a while :) |
| 14:38.36 | xand | (if you have a machine always on, and the other always on the lan) |
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| 14:38.50 | smhar | xand, nfs is not good for me. this is a one time thing, and I will be moving /home from my PC to my new notebook |
| 14:38.52 | DexterF | cast: ill look at it again when I find time. |
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| 14:39.13 | xand | smhar: well, do you have the same uid on both machines? if not, you'll need to chown -R the files |
| 14:39.47 | smhar | xand, although it is a good idea since I already have an nfs server |
| 14:39.50 | cast | DexterF: it's pretty user friendly. cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda1 ; cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1 encrypted; mkfs.xfs /dev/mapper/encryptedl mount /dev/mapper/encrypted /mnt/encrypted |
| 14:40.07 | smhar | xand, no the uid is not the same |
| 14:40.14 | SpeedyG | smhar: i'd tar it, and chown it on the other box |
| 14:40.21 | xand | well you can chown them. |
| 14:40.32 | cast | tar will record the username as well as the uid |
| 14:40.35 | DexterF | cast: that a pipe before mount? |
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| 14:40.48 | cast | DexterF: woops, missed a ; |
| 14:40.52 | DexterF | ah |
| 14:41.02 | SpeedyG | cast: that'd not be a problem if you chown them on the other box would it? :) |
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| 14:41.29 | cast | SpeedyG: well, i was thinking he might have different uids but the same username, i tend to have that happen |
| 14:42.12 | sharika | hi what program should be used to view the usb streaming from sony handycam through usb2.0 port? |
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| 14:45.25 | jeffwheeler | I got a new Apple keyboard recently, and have noticed that the caps-lock light never turns on as it should. I'm running Sid, and Googling doesn't seem to come up with anything. |
| 14:45.40 | cast | man...ustar .tar's can't hold more than 8GB |
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| 14:46.01 | sharika | can i do video capturing through USB in debian?whats the program for that? |
| 14:46.12 | mattuk | is 4.0r1 the latest stable release? |
| 14:46.19 | cast | mattuk: it is. |
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| 14:46.31 | mattuk | cast: thanks :-) downloading net install now then |
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| 14:46.52 | mattuk | Going to try Debian for a while as I am finding Ubuntu too blaoted |
| 14:46.52 | relaxed | sharika: Does it have firewire port? |
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| 14:47.00 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 14:47.20 | smhar | cast, I do have the same user name in both |
| 14:47.46 | jeffwheeler | Would the caps-lock light be related to X? |
| 14:47.47 | sharika | i dont have a cable for that anyway..i would like to get that through usb2..0 if possible |
| 14:48.12 | cast | smhar: then i suspect gnu tar will save you doing chmoding |
| 14:48.18 | cast | smhar: eh, chowning* |
| 14:48.29 | relaxed | sharika: yes or no? |
| 14:48.46 | smhar | cast, how to find the total size of the /home directory in command line? |
| 14:48.56 | cast | du -sh /home |
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| 14:49.52 | smhar | cast, total is 1.8 GB |
| 14:50.02 | sharika | relaxed: no i want it to be done using usb 2.0 port.. |
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| 14:50.10 | xand | 9 |
| 14:50.17 | xand | er |
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| 14:51.59 | smhar | ok, back to my harddisk problem, smartctrl completed with no errors. now what |
| 14:52.13 | Wyzard | smhar: No errors from the long test? |
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| 14:52.52 | relaxed | sharika: No you don't want to use firewire or no it doesn't have firewire? |
| 14:53.28 | Wyzard | sharika: FireWire is preferable if you have support for it... it was actually designed specifically for connecting digital video devices |
| 14:53.33 | smhar | Wyzard, yes, it ran for 23 mins. I ran smartctrl -t long /dev/hdc and after 40 mins I ran smartctrl -l selftest /dev/hdc |
| 14:53.41 | Hamish | I have make a deb package using dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage, but now I want to add some more files to it, I've added the files in /pkg-x.x/DEBIAN/pkg/usr/etc |
| 14:53.48 | Hamish | Now how do I rebuild the deb to use those files? |
| 14:53.56 | Wyzard | sharika: We use FireWire now for things like external hard drives and such, but it was originally created as a companion to the DV standard, to be a way of transferring video |
| 14:54.02 | smhar | Wyzard, it says: extended offline completed without errors |
| 14:54.09 | SRabbelier | Heya, I just booted under Windows for the first time in a few days and windows suddenly didn't recognise my D drive anymore, this is my fdisk -l: http://rafb.net/p/SpiqH463.html |
| 14:54.11 | Wyzard | smhar: Sounds like your drive is fine, then |
| 14:54.39 | cast | SRabbelier: so try to mount it then. |
| 14:54.40 | Wyzard | smhar: It may be that something in the drive was marginal and the self-test corrected it... I've seen that happen in a few cases |
| 14:54.47 | Wyzard | smhar: See if you still get those messages in your log |
| 14:54.54 | wols_ | Hamish: run dpkg-buildpackage again |
| 14:55.01 | SRabbelier | cast: works fine under linux, windows wants to start some scary wizard "initial initialization" or such |
| 14:55.02 | masus | how to change the screen-resolution on thin-clients LTSP, thanks |
| 14:55.03 | smhar | Wyzard, rebooting to test |
| 14:55.08 | Hamish | no, that rebuilds the package from source |
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| 14:55.25 | SRabbelier | cast: I noticed the id of my D drive is 'c', while the other FAT32 drive has id 'f'? |
| 14:55.27 | Hamish | i want to just package it with the binary files it has created in /DEBIAN/package/ |
| 14:55.35 | Hamish | and the ones i have added in there |
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| 14:55.50 | wols_ | Hamish: that is the ONLY way to create debian packages |
| 14:55.55 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: If you're talking about names like /dev/hdc, those have nothing to do with Windows drive letters |
| 14:55.56 | cast | SRabbelier: NFI, ive mostly forgotten how to use windows :) |
| 14:56.25 | Hamish | but surely there is a way to package the files it created in /package/DEBIAN/package/ |
| 14:56.27 | Hamish | into a deb? |
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| 14:56.34 | argentino2 | hello, I want to copy folders from a cd to a pendrive, and when is copying says that there r invalid parameters while copying the file |
| 14:56.40 | SRabbelier | Wyzard, ah yes, I know, it's my /dev/hda3 that windows has stopped seeing |
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| 14:56.45 | wols_ | Hamish: yes. depkg-buildpackage is it |
| 14:56.50 | argentino2 | and I saw that the files which make the errors have characters in french |
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| 14:57.01 | SRabbelier | I think it might have been "hidden" by grub, I remember something about a '1' being added to the id or such? |
| 14:57.06 | sharika | Wyzard: relaxed : the camera has two output options USB jack and DV jack/Prise dv |
| 14:57.06 | cast | Wyzard: hes talking about the ID tag in that fdisk output, which i think is the filesystem ID/type |
| 14:57.07 | wols_ | Hamish: nad make is a smart program. it doesn't compile stuff that's already compiled btw |
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| 14:57.23 | argentino2 | someone can help me? |
| 14:57.36 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: GRUB's partition "hiding" works by changing the partition's type code in the partition table... you can check that with fdisk |
| 14:57.46 | Hamish | wols_: but i dont want to recompile the whole thing into a deb package, i want it to use the files its already compiled and package them into another deb with the files i added myself. |
| 14:57.51 | Hamish | its hard to explain.. |
| 14:58.06 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: I think that's what has happened maybe, cos the unrecognized partition has another id than a recognized partition; while they're both FAT32 |
| 14:58.13 | Hamish | when i ran dh_make |
| 14:58.17 | wols_ | Hamish: I don't care what you want, neither does your debian. dpkg-buildpackage is the way to go. tough luck if you don't like it |
| 14:58.24 | Hamish | i know |
| 14:58.27 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: Use fdisk to change the type code back to the correct one for FAT32, then |
| 14:58.28 | Hamish | but i dont think you know what i mean |
| 14:58.31 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: this is my fdisk -l http://rafb.net/p/SpiqH463.html |
| 14:58.38 | Hamish | when i ran dpkg-buildpackage the first time |
| 14:58.40 | Hamish | it created the deb |
| 14:58.45 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: is the correct code b for Fat32? |
| 14:58.46 | Hamish | and a directory in DEBIAN containing |
| 14:58.52 | Hamish | all the compiled files |
| 14:59.01 | Hamish | like in data.tar.gz |
| 14:59.09 | Hamish | now i want to add files to those directories |
| 14:59.11 | Hamish | that it made |
| 14:59.15 | Hamish | and rebuild it into a package |
| 14:59.36 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: I'm not sure what the difference is between the "FAT32" and "FAT32 (LBA)" types |
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| 14:59.42 | sharika | Wyzard: its not having the firewire out..what i have is only a usb2.0 cable |
| 14:59.48 | SRabbelier | to the google! :P |
| 15:00.02 | wols_ | Hamish: it has some files in there which weren't compiled, like config files, doc files,e tc, richt? |
| 15:00.04 | Wyzard | sharika: That "DV jack" is most likely FireWire |
| 15:00.21 | SRabbelier | Wyzard I guess it'd be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing |
| 15:00.23 | wols_ | why don't you check how they got there and add your files the same way likes those docs? |
| 15:00.23 | Hamish | they were all compiled |
| 15:00.24 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: You could take a look at it in Disk Management in Windows... right-click My Computer and pick Manage |
| 15:00.40 | Hamish | well |
| 15:00.44 | Hamish | oh |
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| 15:00.46 | Hamish | i see what you mean |
| 15:00.48 | wols_ | well debian doesn't only have binaries in dpkgs. there are also config files and scripts and such |
| 15:00.49 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: You can use that to assign it a letter |
| 15:00.49 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: I did that, it just shows it as an unitialized disk |
| 15:01.16 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: I know what LBA is; I just don't know what the effective difference is between those two type codes |
| 15:01.22 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: the entire drive is shown as "unitialized" as a whole, wheras it used to show properly before, having 4 partitions |
| 15:01.33 | sharika | but i dont have a cable for that:) |
| 15:01.45 | Wyzard | sharika: If you have a port for it on your computer, it might be worth buying one |
| 15:01.48 | Hamish | wols_: I think the docs get there because they are installed when dpkg-buildpackage runs make install |
| 15:02.01 | Hamish | but make install in this package doesnt install the menu item and icon that im trying to add |
| 15:02.03 | smhar | Wyzard, the problem is still there: the error is: task_in_intr: status=0x59 (DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error ) task_in_intr: status=0x10 ( SectorIdNotFound ) LBAsect=39167615 sector=391 |
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| 15:02.25 | wols_ | Hamish: then edit the makefile accordingly? |
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| 15:02.34 | sharika | the camera is a borrowed one..is there anything i can do with the usb cable i have? |
| 15:02.44 | Hamish | hmm.. |
| 15:02.47 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: hmm, dunno about that... having one partiton "hidden" shouldn't prevent all the partitions from being seen at all |
| 15:02.49 | Hamish | is there documentation for writing makefiles? |
| 15:02.59 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: do you know how to unhide it with grub manually? |
| 15:03.03 | Wyzard | smhar: hmm, weird... that does sound like a damaged disk |
| 15:03.08 | wols_ | sharika: do you know what google ist? |
| 15:03.28 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: If *none* of the partitions show up, your problem isn't one of your partitions being hidden |
| 15:03.33 | troubled | wols_: /nick wols damnit |
| 15:03.34 | wols_ | sharika: I used a single google query and found a solution to you your problem |
| 15:03.46 | wols_ | troubled: I won't do it now out of spite :P |
| 15:03.46 | argentino2 | Hello, I want to copy a folder which contains files in french to a pendrive and I cant because i get "invalid parameter" while copying...i installed the french utf8 in locals and still dont allow me to copy |
| 15:03.57 | smhar | Wyzard, that same line was flying all over the screen |
| 15:04.04 | troubled | wols_: hehe, maybe thats what I wanted you to do ;) |
| 15:04.05 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: I don't see anything hidden there anyway... I think the codes used for hidden partitions say "hidden" in their descriptions |
| 15:04.06 | wols_ | sharika: linux camcorder usb |
| 15:04.08 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: all the other partitions are types windows doesn't know about I think, it probably thinks the disk is weird |
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| 15:04.10 | Wyzard | smhar: Are you sure you scanned the right drive? |
| 15:04.13 | cast | argentino2: maybe the filesystem you're copying to doesn't support those characters? |
| 15:04.24 | SRabbelier | Wyzard, mhhh, ok, so then it's not that :( |
| 15:04.27 | wols_ | troubled: nice try but you're not smooth and convincing enough |
| 15:04.30 | smhar | Wyzard, I only have one /dev/hdc :-) |
| 15:04.34 | troubled | :( |
| 15:04.35 | SRabbelier | Wyzard I was hoping it was something simple and not just windows being broken :P |
| 15:04.36 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: Windows has no trouble recognizing other types of partitions... it can't mount them, of course, but it still recognizes they're there and understands where their boundaries are |
| 15:04.40 | argentino2 | cast, the pendrive u mean/ |
| 15:04.41 | argentino2 | ? |
| 15:04.59 | sharika | oo thanks i did googling..but i am too new with video cameras so didnt know what to google i was setting up the dvgrab and all that... |
| 15:05.10 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: Disk Management should show all the partitions even if none of them are mountable by Windows |
| 15:05.10 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: Any other idea's then maybe why windows shows up nothing? |
| 15:05.22 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: it used to do that before :P |
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| 15:05.49 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: You could check whether you've inadvertently turned it into a "dynamic disk" or something... that's a Microsoft-proprietary sort of alternative partitioning scheme, which supersedes the regular partition table |
| 15:05.56 | cast | argentino2: indeed |
| 15:06.25 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: (If you've ever noticed that when creating partitions during installation, Windows leaves 8MB unpartitioned at the end of the drive -- that's leaving room for the extended partition info if you ever convert the drive to a dynamic disk) |
| 15:06.33 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: Other than that, I dunno... ask a Windows channel |
| 15:07.10 | wols_ | sharika: have you found the driver you need now? |
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| 15:07.40 | smhar | Wyzard, checked BIOS, the harddisk is set to auto and it is recognized correctly |
| 15:07.54 | Wyzard | smhar: This isn't a BIOS issue |
| 15:08.00 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: ok thanks, uhm, how do I check if it's a dynamic disk though? |
| 15:08.23 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: I think they're shown in a different color in Disk Management, but I'm not sure |
| 15:08.38 | DexterF | cast: d'oh. simple permissions issue. |
| 15:08.39 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: Windows troubleshooting is offtopic for #debian though |
| 15:08.42 | SRabbelier | Wyzard, ok, I'll reboot to windows and give it a look; thanks for hte help :) |
| 15:08.48 | troubled | Wyzard, SRabbelier: it shows as a dynamic disk in the disk manager in windows |
| 15:08.49 | cwheeler | how do i get my wheel mouse to work with emacs? i need a .el file |
| 15:08.51 | SRabbelier | Wyzard: any windows chan you can recommend? |
| 15:09.02 | smhar | Wyzard, so? I had during the debian install, I deleted the partitions and created them from scratch to allow for the creation of /swap . the formatting is done in debian too |
| 15:09.15 | Wyzard | SRabbelier: #windows or ##windows if they exist, I guess... dunno; I don't visit any |
| 15:09.21 | cast | neat, /lastlog DexterF 5 ....lastlog takes a count argument :) |
| 15:09.35 | troubled | cast: :p |
| 15:09.51 | SRabbelier | Thanks |
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| 15:09.55 | Wyzard | smhar: It's not a partitioning or filesystem error either... those are physical disk surface errors |
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| 15:10.51 | DexterF | cast: pardon, what? |
| 15:10.54 | Wyzard | smhar: It doesn't make sense that a SMART self-test would succeed without errors if the drive is having problems like that, though |
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| 15:11.06 | atlfalcons866 | does debian have gnome 2.20 |
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| 15:11.17 | sharika | wols_: sorry to say i didnt get it now too |
| 15:11.22 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: unstable is currently transitioning to it |
| 15:11.30 | troubled | Wyzard: smart would pick up sector relocation on mass scale i would imagine |
| 15:11.39 | Fuwex | hey all |
| 15:11.41 | wols_ | sharika: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ |
| 15:11.47 | troubled | not to mention that all of them would need to be used up before he seen anything |
| 15:11.55 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: SMART tests are crappy as hell.. had a disk that's been whining about being near-dead for 3 whole years before it really died ... |
| 15:12.01 | atlfalcons866 | will unstable packages eventully to the new debian |
| 15:12.07 | Wyzard | smhar: It'd be a good idea to download the manufacturer's diagnostic tool and run that... it'll generally be a bootable floppy or CD |
| 15:12.23 | smhar | Wyzard, could it be that my testing commands were wrong? |
| 15:12.31 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: Yes, next time there's a release |
| 15:12.37 | flami | atlfalcons866, if you want gnome 2.20 you need to get sid ot lenny |
| 15:12.37 | xand | atlfalcons866: most unstable packages go to testing then stable |
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| 15:12.40 | Wyzard | smhar: If you have more than one hard drive, maybe you tested the wrong one? |
| 15:12.43 | DexterF | cast: what was that about lastlog? |
| 15:12.47 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
| 15:12.52 | SpeedyG | smhar: i'd go with the last suggestion Wyzard gave you.. download a test-disk from the manufacturer :) |
| 15:13.00 | cast | DexterF: ahh. i did'nt know it took a count argument |
| 15:13.01 | flami | but about stable , you need to wait for a long time ^^ |
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| 15:13.12 | Fuwex | I realise this isn't debian-specific, but I hope you don't mind me asking anyway: I need to compile glibc 2.4 (it's not available through apt, is it? I couldn't find it anyway). According to the manual, I have to configure in a separate directory from the source directory, and it tells me to move the object files to the build directory, but how do I know what files are object files? Thanks. |
| 15:13.34 | atlfalcons866 | how often is a new debian released |
| 15:13.35 | DexterF | cast: still confused. what are you doing there? |
| 15:14.05 | troubled | atlfalcons866: every few years, say 2 - 3? |
| 15:14.06 | cast | DexterF: printing the last 5 lines that had your name in them, as to remind me what you were talking about when you mentioned permissions |
| 15:14.06 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Why do you need to build an old version of libc? :-/ |
| 15:14.08 | SpeedyG | DexterF: I guess playing with his irc-client's /lastlog command ;) |
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| 15:14.24 | atlfalcons866 | so the current debian wont get any new package upgrades? |
| 15:14.42 | troubled | atlfalcons866: etch? no, impossible |
| 15:14.44 | wols_ | Fuwex: .o are object files |
| 15:14.48 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: Stable releases are unchanged (i.e. stable) aside from security fixes |
| 15:14.59 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Anyway, you shouldn't need to manually mv any .o files around |
| 15:14.59 | troubled | atlfalcons866: err sorry, upgrades yes, eventually, but nothing new |
| 15:15.02 | wols_ | Wyzard: shitty proprietary software sometimes demans special libc versions only |
| 15:15.09 | wols_ | usual closed source idiots without a clue |
| 15:15.14 | DexterF | cast: what irc client? |
| 15:15.24 | Wyzard | glibc maintains backward-compatibility though |
| 15:15.30 | Fuwex | Wyzard: RAR needs it - maybe 2.5 or 2.6 will work but it asks for 2.4, so I'll give it 2.4 |
| 15:15.33 | cast | DexterF: irssi, of course! i imagine majority of freenode uses irssi |
| 15:15.38 | Fuwex | wols_: ok |
| 15:15.40 | atlfalcons866 | so the kernel wont be upgraded to 2.6.22 |
| 15:15.52 | Fuwex | Wyzard: hmm, do you know what I'm supposed to do then? |
| 15:15.58 | cast | DexterF: or at least irssi has the most users, which may not be the majority |
| 15:16.01 | Wyzard | Fuwex: rar works fine on my unstable system with glibc 2.6 |
| 15:16.04 | troubled | atlfalcons866: every few months (generally triggered by extremely important updates, things that say affect fresh installs for example), the security updates become merged to create the next revision |
| 15:16.09 | SpeedyG | atlfalcons866: you could always compile your own kernel ofcourse :) |
| 15:16.13 | troubled | atlfalcons866: no, never |
| 15:16.17 | wols_ | atlfalcons866: the kernel will be upgraded according to etch policy all ~6 months apparently. or so "they" said on release |
| 15:16.19 | Fuwex | Wyzard: ok, thanks, I'll try that then - is it available through apt or do I have to compile? |
| 15:16.22 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: Not in etch, no |
| 15:16.31 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: The next release (lenny) will have a newer kernel, of course |
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| 15:16.39 | Wyzard | Fuwex: It's packaged, in non-free |
| 15:16.45 | Fuwex | ok, cheers |
| 15:16.56 | wols_ | Wyzard, troubled there was talk to upgrade kernels. so that there won't be a situation like late sarge anymore |
| 15:17.03 | sharika | wols_: i have an acer orbicam with me so i have installed uvc drivers already and i am using luvcview the video from that...but how can i make it look into my new device? i have some new devices in /dev as usbdev1.13_ep00...etc |
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| 15:17.07 | wols_ | where newer intel chipsets couldn't install debian stable anymore |
| 15:17.11 | Wyzard | wols_: hmm, interesting |
| 15:17.54 | Wyzard | though that could also be avoided by just releasing more often |
| 15:17.55 | DexterF | cast: ah. I'm a gui man, konversation :) buttons and menus ;) |
| 15:17.56 | atlfalcons866 | what release has all the latest software |
| 15:18.15 | atlfalcons866 | what distro |
| 15:18.21 | DexterF | atlfalcons866: LFS :) |
| 15:18.23 | SpeedyG | DexterF: jikes! :P |
| 15:18.29 | troubled | atlfalcons866: theres more distros besides debian?! |
| 15:18.45 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: Look for distros that release more often |
| 15:18.47 | cast | troubled: yah, there's ubuntu too |
| 15:19.01 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: Ubuntu releases every six months -- they have a new release coming up in October |
| 15:19.02 | atlfalcons866 | yes |
| 15:19.03 | SpeedyG | troubled: some people say.. but then again.. those are the same people that go to that strange thing called 'outside' ... :o |
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| 15:19.12 | DexterF | atlfalcons866: checkout gentoo if you are not afraid of zealots and fanbois and have plenty of cpu power and enjoy staring at gcc output |
| 15:19.17 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: so the versions are generally no more than six months old |
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| 15:19.20 | troubled | SpeedyG: sounds like a scary place :) |
| 15:19.23 | atlfalcons866 | troubled: there is ubuntu pclinuxos, fedora go to distrowatch.com |
| 15:19.48 | SpeedyG | troubled: damn right it is... every now and then it seems to have 'sunlight' :| |
| 15:19.53 | atlfalcons866 | i use ubuntu right now |
| 15:19.54 | troubled | zomg! |
| 15:19.55 | Wyzard | atlfalcons866: troubled was joking |
| 15:20.06 | atlfalcons866 | Wyzard: i know |
| 15:20.14 | Orionisti | Hey, it's me again, with new problems... For some reason (don't ask why) I added testing in my sources.list and updated my computer... Now I can no longer start vlc, Iceweasel nor synaptic... How to fix this? =D |
| 15:20.34 | DexterF | reinstall..? |
| 15:20.45 | Wyzard | !tell Orionisti about doesn't work |
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| 15:21.32 | troubled | dondelelcaro: you know, one of us really needs to make !tell foo -about bar, not send you anything at all... |
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| 15:21.40 | Fuwex | Wyzard: sorry, you said it was packaged in non-free... did you mean glibc 2.6 or RAR? I suppose you meant RAR - I still need glibc though - do I need to compile or is it available through apt? (I just can't find it?) |
| 15:21.41 | click170 | Is Debian supposed to be able to handle e?, and other characters like it properly? I ask because I'm having a problem where a file is saved through samba to a Debian fileserver with one of those special characters in the name, and when you go to get the file through the network again... lets just say you can't (in mac, it looks like a folder, and when you click on it, it disappears). |
| 15:21.44 | Orionisti | tee-hee~ Yeah, well, I can start vlc and iceweasel, but after a while loading with the bouncy icon/hourglass both programs just disappear, and naturally don't load anymore |
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| 15:21.50 | Wyzard | Fuwex: rar |
| 15:21.56 | garo | !help |
| 15:21.58 | Orionisti | And KDE says that 'synaptic' is not a valid command |
| 15:21.59 | Wyzard | Fuwex: No, you do not need to compile glibc 2.4 to run rar |
| 15:22.08 | sharika | i have posted the dmesg and lsusb output here :http://www.pastebin.ca/707066 |
| 15:22.14 | sharika | wols_: http://www.pastebin.ca/707066 |
| 15:22.15 | Fuwex | Wyzard: it keeps asking for it though, so I need some kind of glibc anyway... |
| 15:22.24 | Wyzard | Fuwex: glibc maintains backward-compatibility -- with rare exceptions, anything that works with 2.4 will work with 2.6 also |
| 15:22.31 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Where is rar "asking" you for glibc 2.4? |
| 15:22.46 | DexterF | click170: which deb version on that samba serv? |
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| 15:23.11 | Eulex | Fuwex, let me guess, you downloaded rar from their website and not from debian? |
| 15:23.16 | click170 | 4.0r0 |
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| 15:23.52 | wols_ | sharika: I don't know. try http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+usb+sony+handycam&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 15:24.03 | Orionisti | I have uninstalled vlc and iceweasel, removed testing from sources.list, then reinstalled both, but the result is the same |
| 15:24.12 | Wyzard | Orionisti: If things are silently failing to launch from the GUI, try running them from a terminal window so you can see any error messages they may be printing |
| 15:24.14 | DexterF | click170: well, etch uses utf per defualt, don't really know if samba does, too. i'd chec on that. generally special chars are a royal pain in the arse with samba, hence I switched to NFS. unuseful for windows machines obviously. |
| 15:24.24 | wols_ | Orionisti: open a xterm, start vlc from there and check its output |
| 15:24.27 | Orionisti | good idea, I'll try that |
| 15:24.38 | click170 | DexterF: Thankyou. |
| 15:25.09 | DexterF | click170: I'd talk to the samba folks on this. what OS does the client run that upped the file? |
| 15:25.10 | SpeedyG | DexterF: NFS seems to be usable by windows, using UTFW somehow.. but i've never tried it |
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| 15:25.35 | click170 | I wouldn't even attempt it. And not for NFS, but because of Windows. |
| 15:25.46 | DexterF | SpeedyG: "use the fucking wikipedia"? |
| 15:25.51 | Orionisti | well how abot that, it opens from Konsole... but it wants wxwidgets plugin.... |
| 15:26.04 | SpeedyG | DexterF: almost ;) Unix Tools For Windows |
| 15:26.04 | Orionisti | let's try playing a file |
| 15:26.20 | Orionisti | no, it wants wxwidgets |
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| 15:27.09 | DexterF | SpeedyG: hm, first time I hear of these. I knew of unix services for win tho. so there's nfs clients now? need to check on that |
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| 15:27.41 | SpeedyG | oh, might be that it was unix services for windows. .but somehow nfs was mountable with it |
| 15:27.45 | SpeedyG | (at least so I heard) |
| 15:27.45 | Fuwex | Eulex: I did first, but then I did apt-get install rar afterwards |
| 15:27.50 | wols_ | DexterF: there are tons. and servers. and they ALL sucks major ass |
| 15:28.07 | Eulex | Fuwex, then you should remove the rar you installed from there. |
| 15:28.28 | DexterF | wols_: figures |
| 15:28.43 | Fuwex | Eulex: it still asks for glibc - I guess I've only got version 2.2 |
| 15:28.47 | Fuwex | and it needs atleast 2.4 |
| 15:28.58 | elias | i upgraded xserver-xorg before, but it removed nvidia-glx because of some dependency conflict.. any way to fix this? (so i have opengl again) |
| 15:29.03 | Wyzard | Fuwex: No, you don't have glibc 2.2 |
| 15:29.10 | Eulex | Fuwex, then you didn't uninstall it correctly. |
| 15:29.12 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Run /lib/libc.so.6 and look at the first lien of output |
| 15:29.22 | Wyzard | s/lien/line |
| 15:29.24 | Orionisti | Iceweasel, however gives a symbol lookup error |
| 15:29.55 | Fuwex | Wyzard: 2.3.6 |
| 15:30.15 | simon | what package delivers the "cpan" tool? |
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| 15:30.25 | wols_ | !tell simon about search |
| 15:30.29 | Wyzard | Fuwex: hmm, apparently there's a big libc version difference between etch and sid |
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| 15:30.43 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Anyway, etch's packaged rar works with etch's libc |
| 15:30.48 | simon | wols_, you know what, I've just done that, and I just get a bunch of seemingly unrelated libraries. |
| 15:31.04 | troubled | simon: are you sure cpan isnt standard with perl? |
| 15:31.16 | simon | troubled, I'd have guessed, but it isn't here. |
| 15:31.22 | Fuwex | Wyzard: hmm, it won't work with me, but I may have files lingering from the first RAR installation which I got from their website - I'll see if I can remove them |
| 15:31.24 | troubled | ?! |
| 15:31.26 | simon | troubled, on my freebsd it comes with perl5.8.8. |
| 15:31.31 | wols_ | simon: locate bin/cpan (would work at pdo too) |
| 15:31.38 | troubled | simon: how are you trying to access it? |
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| 15:31.47 | Wyzard | simon: /usr/bin/cpan is in the perl package, in sid at least |
| 15:32.06 | Wyzard | Fuwex: You presumably installed it in /usr/local, so just remove it from there |
| 15:32.15 | wols_ | simon: then I doubt you run debian |
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| 15:32.34 | Fuwex | Wyzard: that's where I unpacked it, yeah - but when I did make or configure or whatever I did it copied a few files to some other locations |
| 15:32.45 | simon | funny.. I do get positive results from `perl --version` (5.8.8), but upgrading the perl package seems to do something, too. |
| 15:32.54 | troubled | simon: perl -MCPAN -e shell |
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| 15:32.57 | Orionisti | sigh |
| 15:32.58 | Wyzard | simon: and /usr/bin/cpan is in the perl package on etch too |
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| 15:33.11 | simon | Wyzard, yeah. seems like perl wasn't installed properly. |
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| 15:33.22 | yos872 | Hi |
| 15:33.24 | troubled | simon: type that ^^^^, what hapens? |
| 15:33.26 | Wyzard | Fuwex: This is why it's best to avoid installing non-packaged stuff :-) |
| 15:33.50 | Fuwex | Wyzard: yeah - I did search apt first though and I didn't know Debian had shareware stuff in non-free |
| 15:33.59 | Orionisti | vlc finds no suitable dialogs provider when I try to launch it from konsole |
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| 15:34.36 | yos872 | I have ktorrent installed on Gnome, when I preview the torrent it open the videos with the totem video player, how can I change the default video player? |
| 15:34.43 | smhar | Wyzard, this sucks, segate have a linux tool g\for testing but only for scsi, i will need to download t he freedos .exe file that will not work with me or the 2mb iso image which is the best option,... considering |
| 15:35.32 | simon | is it generally a bad custom to install all perl modules as root to have them system-wide available? |
| 15:35.46 | Fuwex | Wyzard, this is what unrar (this should be the one from apt non-free) says: unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) |
| 15:35.52 | Wyzard | Orionisti: vlc depends on libwxbase2.6-0 and libwxgtk2.6-0, so you shouldn't be lacking wxwidgets |
| 15:35.55 | Fuwex | Wyzard: and apparently I have 2.3.6 so I guess I just need to upgrade glibc |
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| 15:36.01 | troubled | simon: you get your cpan shell ok? |
| 15:36.09 | simon | troubled, yup. was just perl that needed a tinker. |
| 15:36.20 | Wyzard | Fuwex: No, you do not need to upgrade glibc, you need to use the right rar |
| 15:36.25 | Eulex | Fuwex, upgrading glibc will produce extreme breakage. you've been warned. |
| 15:36.28 | SpeedyG | http://rafb.net/p/SpiqH463.html |
| 15:36.33 | SpeedyG | euhm |
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| 15:36.38 | Daveman | :o |
| 15:36.40 | Fuwex | Wyzard: I thought I am? *confused* |
| 15:36.59 | Eulex | Fuwex, you _need_ to get rid of that thing you installed from rar's site and use the one from _debian_. |
| 15:37.04 | troubled | simon: may I advise you to direct your perl questions to #perl |
| 15:37.05 | Fuwex | Eulex: I have |
| 15:37.16 | Orionisti | wyzard, nevertheless vlc asks whether I have installed that correctly |
| 15:37.17 | simon | troubled, will do. |
| 15:37.18 | troubled | simon: your starting to ask philosophical ones :) |
| 15:37.19 | deadcat | is there something wrong with xorg in sid? i get EE about nvidia not found. i have it.. this happend after power went out and rebooted.. |
| 15:37.21 | Fuwex | Eulex: I removed all files (all the binaries anyway) and did apt-get install rar and unrar |
| 15:37.29 | Eulex | Fuwex, no, you haven't. |
| 15:37.34 | Fuwex | How do you know? |
| 15:37.35 | Wyzard | Orionisti: Are those two packages installed? |
| 15:37.52 | Eulex | Fuwex, because the rar in debian doesn't require a newer glibc than you already have. |
| 15:38.06 | Fuwex | Eulex: it says otherwise... :/ |
| 15:38.13 | Nyle | it lies |
| 15:38.14 | Wyzard | Eulex: No package in Debian depends on a newer glibc than exists in Debian |
| 15:38.22 | Eulex | Wyzard, right. |
| 15:38.29 | Orionisti | yes, both packages are installed |
| 15:38.31 | Fuwex | :S |
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| 15:38.35 | Fuwex | I'm fairly confused then |
| 15:38.44 | Wyzard | Fuwex: I just installed rar on an etch system (with glibc 2.3.6) and it works fine |
| 15:38.56 | Wyzard | Fuwex: It's statically-linked, in fact, so the glibc version shouldn't matter |
| 15:39.09 | Fuwex | hmm |
| 15:39.09 | Nyle | lisp kicks asss |
| 15:39.14 | Wyzard | Fuwex: which rar |
| 15:39.17 | geo-rge | Fuwex: then you have a rar for a different dist than the one you are installing on |
| 15:39.29 | Wyzard | Fuwex: sorry, that's probably not clear... run "which rar" and tell me what it says |
| 15:40.16 | Orionisti | Is there a possibility of replacing the "testing" software with stable versions? |
| 15:40.26 | Wyzard | Orionisti: No, you can't downgrade |
| 15:40.54 | Orionisti | hm, I seem to be pretty screwed then.... |
| 15:41.14 | Wyzard | Orionisti: Are the libwxbase2.6-0 and libwxgtk2.6-0 packages installed? |
| 15:41.15 | DexterF | Orionisti: well, you can enter a deb line in sources and tell aptitude explicitly to install <name>=<version> |
| 15:41.17 | sharika | wols_: last question..am i missing uvc_streamer? |
| 15:41.23 | Orionisti | wyzard, yes, both are installed |
| 15:41.31 | DexterF | Orionisti: but you'll end up in dependency hell in no time |
| 15:41.42 | Wyzard | Orionisti: hmm, dunno why vlc would say it can't find WX, then |
| 15:41.48 | Orionisti | me neither |
| 15:41.53 | sharika | wols_: i mean is that the package for usb streaming? |
| 15:42.11 | Fuwex | Wyzard: apologies - you were correct, I still had the rar and unrar from the website in /usr/local/bin |
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| 15:42.21 | Fuwex | Wyzard: replaced it with the debian ones and it appears to be working :) Thanks |
| 15:42.43 | Wyzard | Fuwex: "replaced"? |
| 15:42.48 | Wyzard | Fuwex: You already had Debian's rar installed |
| 15:42.51 | Orionisti | wyzard, I have tried uninstalling iceweasel and vlc, removing testing from sources.list and then reinstalling with adept, to no avail |
| 15:42.57 | Fuwex | yes, but it didn't install to /usr/local/bin Wyzard |
| 15:43.04 | DexterF | Orionisti: got no log, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:43.06 | Eulex | Fuwex, right |
| 15:43.17 | Wyzard | Fuwex: I hope you just deleted /usr/local/bin/rar, and didn't copy /usr/bin/rar to /usr/local/bin/rar or something |
| 15:43.24 | Fuwex | so I just copied the binary from /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin and now it appears to work anyhow |
| 15:43.30 | Wyzard | Don't do that |
| 15:43.31 | Eulex | Fuwex, when executing stuff, debian looks in /usr/local/bin before it looks in /usr/bin |
| 15:43.38 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Do you understand the PATH variable? |
| 15:43.39 | Orionisti | trying to achieve a working installation of both iceweasel and vlc, possible synaptic, too, if possible |
| 15:43.40 | wols_ | sharika: no clue, sorry |
| 15:43.42 | Fuwex | Wyzard: I did delete it first |
| 15:43.45 | Eulex | Wyzard, just remove the one in /usr/local/bin |
| 15:43.49 | Fuwex | but it wouldn't run without having it in /usr/local/bin |
| 15:43.59 | Eulex | Fuwex, define 'wouldn't run' |
| 15:44.00 | Orionisti | I just don't know how to accomplish it, thus I'm asking help here |
| 15:44.02 | Fuwex | Wyzard: not very well, I'm a nub - haven't done any linux for 5 months and before that I was a nub too |
| 15:44.16 | Fuwex | Eulex: bash /usr/local/bin/unrar: No such file or directory |
| 15:44.20 | sharika | wols_: ok..thanks anyway and sorry if i was asking something foolish |
| 15:44.30 | Eulex | Fuwex, just run unrar? |
| 15:44.33 | Fuwex | I did |
| 15:44.35 | Fuwex | and that's what it said |
| 15:44.40 | cwheeler | where do the zone files for bind live in debian? |
| 15:44.43 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Delete any and all rar-related stuff from /usr/local/bin |
| 15:45.09 | Eulex | Fuwex, what does which unrar say? |
| 15:45.12 | cwheeler | ah found them |
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| 15:45.19 | Fuwex | Wyzard: I did that, and when I run 'unrar' now, it says: bash: /usr/local/bin/unrar: No such file or directory |
| 15:45.32 | Wyzard | Fuwex: When you run a program, the shell looks in several directories to try to find it... if it's found in /usr/local/bin, that will be used, but if it's not in /usr/local/bin, the one in /usr/bin will be used |
| 15:45.40 | claudio` | Is there a way to use the network with qemu without configure the host (no tun/tap)? I wouldn't like to ``touch'' the host but only the guest machine. |
| 15:45.49 | Eulex | Fuwex, I think there might be a malicious symlink somewhere then. |
| 15:45.50 | Wyzard | Fuwex: /usr/bin is strictly for things installed by packages, and /usr/local/bin is strictly for things you install manually |
| 15:45.57 | Fuwex | ok |
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| 15:46.05 | Fuwex | Eulex: seems so |
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| 15:46.09 | Wyzard | Fuwex: "which unrar" |
| 15:46.20 | Fuwex | returns /usr/bin/unrar |
| 15:46.30 | Wyzard | Fuwex: ls -l /usr/bin/unrar |
| 15:46.35 | josenj76 | Hi all, I'm having problem with xmlto. I run "xmlto -x cdcatalog_ex3.xsl ps cdcatalog.xml" and get the following error: ! LaTeX Error: File `html.xmt' not found. |
| 15:46.48 | Fuwex | Wyzard: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 172168 2006-02-13 12:58 /usr/bin/unrar |
| 15:47.11 | Wyzard | Fuwex: OK, that's Debian's unrar |
| 15:47.25 | Orionisti | Frankly, though, I'd be glad to have just some video player application installed... |
| 15:47.25 | Wyzard | Fuwex: And if you run "/usr/bin/unrar", it gives you an error message about "/usr/local/bin/unrar" ? |
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| 15:48.05 | Fuwex | Wyzard: hmm, then it works |
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| 15:48.14 | deadcat | my xorg in sid is not starting. is there a bug lately? havent restarted x in a while until power went out. |
| 15:48.19 | Wyzard | Fuwex: so "/usr/bin/unrar" works but "unrar" doesn't? |
| 15:48.22 | Fuwex | Wyzard: /usr/bin/unrar works, but simply 'unrar' doesn't |
| 15:48.23 | Fuwex | yes |
| 15:48.40 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Does /usr/local/bin/unrar exist? |
| 15:48.53 | Fuwex | Wyzard: no |
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| 15:49.10 | Wyzard | Fuwex: Run "alias" in your shell and see if there's anything about unrar in the output |
| 15:49.25 | Fuwex | Wyzard: no output at all |
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| 15:49.42 | torrr | hi |
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| 15:50.19 | Wyzard | Fuwex: It might be that the shell has just cached the location of "unrar" as being in /usr/local/bin... try closing your shell and re-opening it |
| 15:50.34 | torrr | I see that inotify doesn't provide recursive watchs over sbdirs |
| 15:50.49 | Fuwex | Wyzard: will try in a second - just extracting something meanwhile |
| 15:50.54 | Wyzard | torrr: No, that's something the application would have to do |
| 15:51.32 | josenj76 | Hi all, I'm having problem with xmlto. I run "xmlto -x cdcatalog_ex3.xsl ps cdcatalog.xml" and get the following error: ! LaTeX Error: File `html.xmt' not found. |
| 15:51.36 | Crystal | i need talk to the debian group contacts and ask them for a cloak.. where i can find them? |
| 15:51.38 | torrr | I see that some packages provide it, probably by adding watches over sub dirs |
| 15:52.03 | Wyzard | hmm, bash doesn't have Info documentation anymore? |
| 15:52.24 | Wyzard | "info bash" just gets me the manpage, and I do have bash-doc installed |
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| 15:52.37 | cast | Wyzard: is the info page in non-free? |
| 15:53.07 | Wyzard | cast: Maybe, but what package would it be in? (There's no bash-doc-nonfree) |
| 15:53.15 | torrr | but couldn't an event be missed if say a dir is created , and files are written to it before the watch is placed? |
| 15:53.55 | Wyzard | torrr: Maybe, but the listener should look at the contents of the directory after adding the watch |
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| 15:54.29 | Wyzard | hmm, cool, there's a "bashdb" script debugger |
| 15:55.14 | torrr | Wyzard, and figgre out events that it missed? |
| 15:55.24 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 15:55.35 | Fuwex | Wyzard: once again you were right - I restarted my shell and now it works fine :) Thanks |
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| 15:56.11 | Wyzard | Fuwex: There's a command somewhere that makes bash forget all its cached paths for things, but I don't remember what it is |
| 15:56.13 | torrr | Wyzard, well some of the events it can some it cann't |
| 15:56.36 | Orionisti | Allright, in a vain attempt to install some video player, I installed codeine, however it was not able to play a xvid mp3 avi file, it just skipped thru the whole ~25 minute clip in 10 seconds |
| 15:56.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: don't you do the info pages on the bultins ? |
| 15:56.58 | Fuwex | Wyzard: ok, well, with my limited knowledge, I'm not going to attempt to fix something that isn't broken, so I'll just leave it as it is for now :) |
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| 15:57.09 | Orionisti | and yes, I do have the avi codec files (don't remember package name) installed |
| 15:57.14 | karmatronic | this compiz stuff is driving me nuts ... |
| 15:57.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm not sure what you mean by "do the info pages"... I'm trying to *find* the info pages for bash, because I'd rather not have to scroll through its rather long manpage |
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| 15:57.48 | deadcat | i have a 22" lCD but no X )= |
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| 15:58.08 | karmatronic | it s all supposed to be installed , l launch it , desktop effects are supposed to be active but the magic doesnt happen .ring a bell to anyone ? |
| 15:58.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: for which command ? |
| 15:58.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: `info ls` |
| 15:58.19 | hark | Wyzard: hash -r ? |
| 15:58.36 | Wyzard | hark: yeah, I think that's the one |
| 15:58.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: for bash |
| 15:58.47 | abrotman | that makes no sense |
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| 15:58.58 | josenj76 | Any one knows what package contains the html.xmt file? |
| 15:59.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: i have an info page for bash .. but it might just be ht eman page in disguise! |
| 15:59.16 | cast | josenj76: not me, but apt-file answers those kinds of questions |
| 15:59.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: apt-file search bash.info .. nada |
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| 15:59.51 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, that's the problem |
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| 16:02.19 | Orionisti | ...aight |
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| 16:02.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: file a bug! |
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| 16:07.00 | Sterile | Does anybody know anything about compiz? |
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| 16:07.28 | Orionisti | grrrrr |
| 16:07.43 | Orionisti | adept does no longer want to update anything |
| 16:07.51 | Orionisti | or install for that matter |
| 16:07.52 | SpeedyG | !tell Sterile about ask |
| 16:07.52 | geo-rge | fug a bile! |
| 16:07.55 | cyzie | what are the application that can play rmvb file? |
| 16:09.02 | Orionisti | guys |
| 16:09.15 | xerophyte | how can i find what kind of connect do i have to my server .. 100mbs or 10mbs from the server ? |
| 16:09.16 | Orionisti | any possibility to repair this ? |
| 16:09.17 | geo-rge | Sterile: nope... no one knows anything about compiz... |
| 16:09.23 | Orionisti | other than complete reinstall? |
| 16:09.42 | wols_ | !tell Orionisti about errors |
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| 16:09.56 | Orionisti | oh if I only got some error message! |
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| 16:11.14 | wols_ | use apt-get and you will |
| 16:11.16 | Orionisti | ok, I can paste the entire output of a command somewhere and then post the link here, correct? |
| 16:11.24 | wols_ | yes |
| 16:11.29 | wols_ | !tell Orionisti about paste |
| 16:12.08 | geo-rge | what's adept |
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| 16:12.31 | hark | apt-cache show adept |
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| 16:12.51 | torrr | what is the name of the progy that counts line numbers? |
| 16:13.07 | Orionisti | http://rafb.net/p/0gnrEc29.html |
| 16:13.11 | abrotman | torrr: wc |
| 16:13.15 | hark | wc -l ? |
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| 16:13.59 | torrr | thanks :) |
| 16:14.33 | SpeedyG | xerophyte: ethtool |
| 16:14.59 | xerophyte | SpeedyG, how can i use that to fin dout just wondering |
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| 16:15.10 | Orionisti | http://rafb.net/p/vtGhfa35.html |
| 16:15.17 | SpeedyG | xerophyte: run it as root 'ethtool <interface>' |
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| 16:15.38 | troubled | wols_: you there? |
| 16:15.41 | Aleksej | hi |
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| 16:15.46 | Aleksej | What could have happened? |
| 16:15.47 | Aleksej | game@chaos:~$ blobwars |
| 16:15.47 | Aleksej | Couldn't create required directory '/home/deleter/.parallelrealities'game@chaos:~$ |
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| 16:15.52 | Orionisti | it opens the vlc with "a skin" but I can't open any file |
| 16:16.02 | troubled | wols_: #freenode for a sec? got some russian (??) guy makin no sense |
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| 16:16.16 | xerophyte | SpeedyG, it says Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Full does that means i am getting 100mbs .. how can i verify the current bandwith traffic my server use on the pipe |
| 16:16.17 | abrotman | wols_ is russian ? |
| 16:16.29 | troubled | well, german, but were not sure |
| 16:16.34 | timthelion | hey, I'm a verizon dsl user, and they have put up this nasty "landing page" for any site that I try to go to that does not exist, if I type www.aioeaei.com, I get http://timtheli.freeshell.org/landingpage.png , firefox used to forward me to google, which was much more usefull. is there a way that I can make firefox think this evil "landing page" is simply inaccessible? |
| 16:16.51 | SpeedyG | xerophyte: I use bwm for that |
| 16:17.04 | Aleksej | troubled: there are two speaking Russian, it seems |
| 16:17.05 | abrotman | timthelion: yes .. put the hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 16:17.11 | wols_ | abrotman: not as far as I know. maybe I should ask my mum? |
| 16:17.26 | troubled | Aleksej: that is russian? ok, thanks |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | wols_: heth t&&3 ei! |
| 16:17.28 | timthelion | abrotman: what host name? surely I cannot list every single invalid url |
| 16:17.32 | Aleksej | np |
| 16:17.33 | wols_ | troubled: I'm only german. and I pretend to understand a little engluish, french and latin. that's i |
| 16:17.37 | wols_ | *it |
| 16:17.37 | SpeedyG | xerophyte: ifstat I mean |
| 16:17.37 | abrotman | timthelion: doesn't your browser say ? |
| 16:17.46 | abrotman | wols_: english ? :) |
| 16:17.48 | timthelion | abrotman: where? |
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| 16:17.53 | marco_polo | hi there |
| 16:17.56 | abrotman | timthelion: in the URL bar |
| 16:17.59 | troubled | wols_: wasnt really sure what it was, only thing i knew was im utf8 and everything was square's |
| 16:18.05 | xerophyte | SpeedyG, does the give the current bandwith i am using it |
| 16:18.10 | timthelion | abrotman: is the hostname different from the url? |
| 16:18.11 | SpeedyG | xerophyte: yes |
| 16:18.12 | marco_polo | is there anybody using pdt eclipse ?? |
| 16:18.26 | abrotman | timthelion: can't see your URL bar in that picture |
| 16:18.33 | Orionisti | ok, I have provided you with the error messages, can you at least say you can't help so I don't have to wait for nothing? |
| 16:18.40 | timthelion | abrotman: it's at the bottom |
| 16:18.40 | Aleksej | What may be causing my problem? blobwars is trying to use the wrong home directory |
| 16:18.50 | xerophyte | SpeedyG, thanks let me see |
| 16:18.54 | wols_ | abrotman: engluish, or have you ever seen me type any proper english? |
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| 16:19.16 | abrotman | timthelion: uhm .. if you can find the hostname .. you can put it in /etc/hosts to go nowhere |
| 16:19.18 | wols_ | timthelion: put that host in your /etc/hosts and put the google IP to it or 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:19.49 | wols_ | or run a webserver whne using the 120.0.0.1 trick that has a page like theirs that immediately redirects to google |
| 16:19.52 | mooper | whats the easiest way to share files between a linux host and a windows guest on vmware server? |
| 16:20.03 | wols_ | mooper: samba imho |
| 16:20.28 | mooper | wols_: should it "just work"tm ? |
| 16:20.31 | timthelion | wols_: but how do I run a web server that provides only non-valid urls? |
| 16:20.38 | mooper | or is if going to take some fiddling? |
| 16:20.59 | Orionisti | opening gxine gives the same error as iceweasel |
| 16:21.18 | timthelion | wols_: I changed back to the normal firefox theme, try reloading that image |
| 16:21.32 | cahoot | Orionisti, from where did you get those packages? |
| 16:22.00 | Orionisti | installed them with adept manager |
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| 16:22.06 | simon | why does the package php5-gd depend on X11? |
| 16:22.08 | wols_ | timthelion: timthelion google for the network solutions sitefinder. it did the same what verizon does. you could run your own DNS with such a wildcard scheme that hands out 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:22.37 | Orionisti | as I stated earlier, I had testing in my sources.list and then updated my computer |
| 16:22.42 | wols_ | Orionisti: update your distro |
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| 16:23.06 | Orionisti | as far as I know I have the latest |
| 16:23.09 | wols_ | Orionisti: then replace the libs it tells you about with etch versions forcefully |
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| 16:23.28 | Orionisti | right, and how to accomplish that? |
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| 16:24.17 | wols_ | by installing them |
| 16:24.17 | Orionisti | opening vlc gives no error message hinting to some lib |
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| 16:24.28 | Orionisti | "fix your computer by ficing it" |
| 16:24.29 | wols_ | it does: wxwidgets |
| 16:24.30 | Orionisti | thanks dude |
| 16:24.39 | wols_ | Orionisti: stop whining |
| 16:24.44 | Orionisti | yes, I'm pissed |
| 16:24.46 | Orionisti | so you notices |
| 16:24.56 | wols_ | I don't give a fuck kiddo. go away |
| 16:25.02 | Orionisti | thanks |
| 16:25.07 | Orionisti | that's so nice of you |
| 16:25.09 | trumpen | hello, do I need the same version of gcc used for compiling the kernel to compile myself a new module? |
| 16:25.19 | wols_ | trumpen: yes |
| 16:25.21 | Wyzard | trumpen: It's recommended, but not strictly necessary |
| 16:25.45 | cast | trumpen: isn't much of an issue as if you're usign debian your installed kernel and installed gcc will match almost always AFAIK |
| 16:25.45 | Orionisti | disappointing |
| 16:25.47 | trumpen | how can I find the version of gcc that was used to compile my currently used kernel? :/ |
| 16:25.48 | Wyzard | trumpen: Differing GCC versions can cause problems in some cases, but usually it's fine if they're slightly different |
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| 16:26.08 | timthelion | trumpen: if possible, search the web for modual-assistant <your-modual> and use that instead |
| 16:26.25 | pipeline | timthelion, trumpen : module-assistant is braindead. It uses whatever /usr/bin/gcc is, it doesn't even look for the correct one. |
| 16:26.27 | trumpen | wizard: i have got a strange result during a "make install" |
| 16:26.39 | wols_ | trumpen: cat /proc/version |
| 16:26.47 | pipeline | trumpen: use "cat /proc/version" to figure out what version of GCC you need. Then, install it. If it says "4.0.3", install gcc-4.0 |
| 16:27.08 | pipeline | trumpen: then, set the "CC" environment variable to the path of the correct gcc binary (e.g. "/usr/bin/gcc-4.0") |
| 16:27.18 | trumpen | wols_ and pipeline: thank you very much :) |
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| 16:28.13 | Seb | how do I get vlc if i run testing ? |
| 16:28.16 | Seb | it seems to have been removed |
| 16:28.44 | Seb | (from testing only) |
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| 16:29.44 | abrotman | Seb: yes .. it has |
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| 16:30.04 | sarixe | hi, where are the actual password hashes stored? |
| 16:30.10 | Seb | abrotman: so what do you think would be the simplest way for me to run in on lenny, without upgrading to sid ? |
| 16:30.12 | sarixe | i look in /etc/passwd and they're not there. |
| 16:30.17 | Seb | s/in/it/ |
| 16:30.22 | Wyzard | sarixe: /etc/shadow |
| 16:30.23 | abrotman | Seb: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:30.25 | sarixe | thanks |
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| 16:31.57 | abrotman | Seb: or find another playet |
| 16:32.00 | abrotman | player |
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| 16:34.22 | troubled | Aleksej: thanks |
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| 16:34.29 | Aleksej | np |
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| 16:34.43 | DexterF | do I need to re-login after installing gtk-qt-engines? |
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| 16:34.54 | Aleksej | Actually, blobwars did worked when I ran it before the reboots and KDE try. But now it does not. :/ |
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| 16:35.09 | Aleksej | *did work |
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| 16:35.46 | Aleksej | It works if I start it as "deleter". |
| 16:36.48 | Aleksej | hmm guess I'll reinstall it |
| 16:36.53 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 16:37.04 | Nyle | my brain feels numb |
| 16:37.29 | Nyle | someone just tried to force on me how much easier and better windows is |
| 16:37.37 | simonrvn | eew |
| 16:37.39 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:37.43 | Nyle | simonrvn: hold me |
| 16:37.45 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:37.49 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:37.52 | simonrvn | !comfort Nyle |
| 16:37.53 | dpkg | There, there, Nyle. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 16:38.20 | Nyle | how are you simonrvn |
| 16:38.30 | simonrvn | ok, you? |
| 16:38.42 | Nyle | eh |
| 16:38.43 | Nyle | so so |
| 16:38.54 | Nyle | i think i need good music |
| 16:38.58 | simonrvn | sang a bit too hard again, got laryngitis hehe |
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| 16:39.07 | Nyle | awe |
| 16:39.18 | Nyle | if you got sick off that |
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| 16:39.41 | Nyle | well I never get sick. I do death metal vocals and shrieking and screaming etc. etc. you know all softs or metal vocals and i sing too |
| 16:39.59 | Nyle | sorts of metal* |
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| 16:40.12 | simonrvn | i'll be ok. every time after this sort of thing i can hit higher notes |
| 16:40.26 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:40.32 | Nyle | heya hoya heya hoya |
| 16:40.36 | Nyle | man i love that stuff |
| 16:40.51 | Nyle | i used to pretend i was a native american when i was a kid and i'd dance around doing that stuff |
| 16:40.55 | Nyle | it was great |
| 16:41.59 | simonrvn | there's a really good group that's been around a long time, called midnight express, that goes around the pow wows in the new england area |
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| 16:42.27 | Nyle | where? |
| 16:42.30 | Nyle | north east? |
| 16:43.07 | simonrvn | yeh. new hampshire, new york, etc. |
| 16:43.14 | Nyle | cool |
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| 16:43.26 | Nyle | how far are you from nyc |
| 16:43.58 | simonrvn | i think something like 3-5 hours. not sure |
| 16:44.24 | Nyle | cool |
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| 16:44.42 | Nyle | i am asking cuz i might need some peyote later on ;) |
| 16:44.51 | Nyle | ahaha j/k dude, just kiddin |
| 16:44.56 | simonrvn | i don't do peyote, heh ;) |
| 16:45.21 | Nyle | smoke da peace pipe? |
| 16:45.47 | simonrvn | when i'm present at a pipe ceremony, of course. |
| 16:46.05 | Nyle | native americans are very close to nature, and I've seen in a lot of movies |
| 16:46.20 | Nyle | they do the peace pipes and then get one with the nature |
| 16:46.32 | Nyle | i think its great |
| 16:46.37 | simonrvn | it's hard in the city, but even in the deathly city you can see it |
| 16:46.39 | Nyle | a lot of Sufi's back home do the same thing |
| 16:46.59 | Nyle | Malang or Sufi, follow sufism, get baked and get closer to god and worship god all day long |
| 16:47.33 | simonrvn | it's amazing how resilient life is. poking through the cracks in things, breaking the concrete and asphalt |
| 16:47.42 | Nyle | tantriks or sadhoos do the same thing |
| 16:47.43 | simonrvn | there's no drugs in the pipe |
| 16:47.51 | Nyle | what?! |
| 16:48.01 | Nyle | why not? |
| 16:48.06 | rdz | hi all.. how is apache/php's group called in debian? |
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| 16:48.14 | wols_ | www-data |
| 16:48.14 | rdz | www-data? |
| 16:48.21 | rdz | wols_, thank you |
| 16:48.24 | simonrvn | because that's not how kinnikkinnik is made |
| 16:48.36 | wols_ | what is in it then? |
| 16:48.39 | Nyle | simonrvn: which is |
| 16:48.46 | wols_ | and tobacco is a drug imho |
| 16:48.51 | simonrvn | brb |
| 16:49.15 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:49.31 | Nyle | i buy a pack of cigs one in a blue moon, and then it sits there |
| 16:49.35 | Nyle | i hate tobacco |
| 16:49.40 | cahoot | cool |
| 16:49.55 | Nyle | what is today saturday |
| 16:49.56 | Nyle | hmm |
| 16:50.11 | Nyle | noon time, good day outside, I might go to guitarcenter today |
| 16:50.33 | simonrvn | the ingredients depend on who's pipe it is, and how they were taught; but one of the ingredients is tobacco |
| 16:50.51 | Nyle | hey listen man |
| 16:50.57 | Nyle | and other men and women |
| 16:51.19 | Nyle | I run znes in a 32bit chroot on amd64, works fine, but a bit unstable rarely |
| 16:51.19 | simonrvn | (often is anyway) |
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| 16:51.43 | wols_ | why is there no wikipedia page about kinnikkinnik? |
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| 16:52.00 | simonrvn | because it's oral knowledge |
| 16:52.02 | Nyle | if i use the amd64 pckage of snes9x-x or gsnes9x or whatnot, configure it properly and all that, i launch a game and it doesn't do anything |
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| 16:52.18 | Nyle | would debian be the place to ask or should i go annoy the people at snes9x |
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| 16:52.24 | wols_ | simonrvn: this is the interweb. we write everything down and make a html page about it |
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| 16:52.48 | sepski | wols_, wikipedia is a community effort. write one :) |
| 16:53.27 | Nyle | hershey's chocolate kisses |
| 16:53.28 | wols_ | I don't have a clue about kinnikkinnik. simonrvn: go and write a page so I can read it |
| 16:53.32 | simonrvn | !lart sepski |
| 16:53.43 | Nyle | hahaha |
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| 16:54.10 | simonrvn | wols_: no, because i'm not an authority on it, nor an elder |
| 16:54.24 | Nyle | tell us what it is |
| 16:54.45 | wols_ | simonrvn: good. you fit right into wikipedia editors then |
| 16:55.01 | simonrvn | basically just a mixture of plants, used for the pipe |
| 16:55.02 | Nyle | simonrvn: what you talking bout man, you are ancient, of course you are an elder |
| 16:55.04 | Nyle | gramps |
| 16:55.05 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:55.09 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 16:55.13 | simonrvn | no i'm not |
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| 16:55.27 | Nyle | word |
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| 16:55.58 | simonrvn | and please stop asking about this now, i don't feel comfortable talking about it anymore |
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| 16:56.18 | surrounder | lol |
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| 16:56.44 | Nyle | sure buddy no problem |
| 16:56.50 | simonrvn | surrounder: -_- |
| 16:57.05 | surrounder | new Vanishing Point album rocks |
| 16:57.14 | Nyle | where am I |
| 16:57.19 | Nyle | is this #debian? |
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| 16:57.32 | simonrvn | according to my irssi display it is |
| 16:57.36 | Nyle | my irssi went all wierd, channel names disappeared |
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| 16:58.39 | Nyle | I dunno what the heck that was all about |
| 16:58.50 | XrMb2 | does anyone know about a ftp-server which can handle filesize-limits? |
| 16:58.53 | cahoot | Nyle, no this is #smoke |
| 16:59.21 | Nyle | i dunno if the transparency caused that glitch or what |
| 16:59.48 | Nyle | my perl script I use for displaying title of the window instead of number shutdown |
| 16:59.51 | Nyle | i dunno why |
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| 17:04.41 | schemelab | I installed Debian 4.0 on my webhost, but I think it must be stable not testing... how can I check? |
| 17:04.55 | schemelab | I need libc6-2.5 and I only have 2.3.6-etch2 |
| 17:05.23 | DexterF | schemelab: check uname -r. etch has .18, testing .21 iirc |
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| 17:06.06 | schemelab | uname -r returns 2.6.22.6-linode34 -- I must have testing |
| 17:06.44 | schemelab | problem is my libc6 is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 and I need 2.5-5 or greater to install mercurial-0.9.4 |
| 17:06.47 | Wyzard | schemelab: That's not a Debian kernel, testing or otherwise |
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| 17:06.58 | schemelab | oh my webhost must've built it |
| 17:07.26 | Wyzard | schemelab: In fact, you're apparently running etch, because testing has libc6 version 2.6.1 |
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| 17:07.35 | cyzie | what are the application that can play rmvb file? |
| 17:07.58 | schemelab | Wyzard: I see. Is it easy to switch just be altering some sources files? |
| 17:07.59 | Nyle | w32codecs w/ mplayer |
| 17:08.03 | Nyle | or xine |
| 17:08.10 | DexterF | cyzie: rather a codec thing. |
| 17:08.21 | Nyle | cyzie: w32codecs from marillat |
| 17:08.24 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 17:08.24 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 17:08.24 | DexterF | xine, mplayer, vlc, smplayer totally rocks but gotta compile yourself |
| 17:08.38 | Wyzard | schemelab: Sort of, but you'll need to take some additional steps if you *just* want to upgrade libc6 to testing, and not everything else |
| 17:08.52 | schemelab | I dont mind going with testing |
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| 17:09.00 | schemelab | I dont mind upgrading altogether |
| 17:09.07 | Wyzard | schemelab: then you can change your sources.list and dist-upgrade |
| 17:09.32 | DexterF | schemelab: I wouldn't use a testing distro for web hosting at all for security reasons |
| 17:09.40 | Wyzard | schemelab: but remember that testing breaks occasionally, and does not get prompt security updates like stable does |
| 17:10.05 | schemelab | I'm just a mainline user - perl, apache, mysql ... shouldnt be any major issues |
| 17:10.06 | mutante | on stable i apt-get install imagemagick and get Version: ImageMagick 6.2.4 , "already latest version", but 3 days ago http://labs.idefense.com/intelligence/vulnerabilities/display.php?id=594 "Remote exploitation of multiple integer overflow vulnerabilities in ImageMagick" iDefense Labs confirmed that ImageMagick version 6.3.4 is vulnerable |
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| 17:10.20 | aseer_al7ob | ÃáÂÈöÐúßúÑõ Çááðåö ÊóØúãøÆöäõ ÇáúÞõáæõÈú |
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| 17:10.29 | aseer_al7ob | http://www.heartgaza.net/vb |
| 17:10.37 | DexterF | aseer_al7ob: english channel |
| 17:10.50 | aseer_al7ob | yes |
| 17:10.52 | aseer_al7ob | :} |
| 17:11.03 | Wyzard | aseer_al7ob: Stop spamming your website |
| 17:11.07 | mutante | i have "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" in sources.list , what should i do |
| 17:11.32 | mooper | hey, Im trying to st up samba for the first time but it is rejecting my username and password. Can someone give me a pointer? |
| 17:11.32 | aseer_al7ob | [19:10] «Wyzard» aseer_al7ob: Stop spamming your website i love u :D |
| 17:11.33 | DexterF | mutante: well, maybe it's patched. |
| 17:11.39 | mooper | Im trying to connect thru windows |
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| 17:11.53 | DexterF | mooper: 0xFE43CC0A |
| 17:11.54 | DexterF | :D |
| 17:11.57 | aseer_al7ob | [19:11] «DexterF» mutante: well, maybe it's patched. no its my website |
| 17:12.03 | Harley^ | I have 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 Debian Etch installed. Can 32 bit Firefox be installed so that I can play flash files ? I have /emul/ia32-linux installed. I can not seem to find clear instructions how to obtain and install Firefox so that Flash will work. Advice would be appreciated. |
| 17:12.15 | mooper | DexterF:...... |
| 17:12.21 | DexterF | mooper: scnr :) |
| 17:12.49 | aseer_al7ob | :> |
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| 17:13.08 | aseer_al7ob | visit my website |
| 17:13.08 | DexterF | mooper: smbpasswd set on server and client? |
| 17:13.10 | aseer_al7ob | bye |
| 17:13.27 | mooper | DexterF: smbpasswd set on server |
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| 17:13.47 | Wyzard | schemelab: The issue isn't breakage, it's lack of timely security updates... bad idea on a production webserver |
| 17:13.57 | DexterF | mooper: havent done samba in a while, but iirc you gotta set it on the client, too. or use a credentials file. |
| 17:14.03 | schemelab | Wyzard: it's just my own hobby sites |
| 17:14.26 | Wyzard | mutante: 6.3.4 is vulnerable, but maybe 6.2.4 isn't? |
| 17:14.35 | mooper | DexterF: I get the password box come up, I put in password, no cigar :-( |
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| 17:15.47 | DexterF | mooper: sorry, clueless, all nfs and sshfs here... #samba? |
| 17:15.59 | mooper | DexterF: no one home |
| 17:16.10 | mutante | Wyzard: well, nobody seems to really know, but there also no known exploits.. so shrug http://studio.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-announce/2007-September/000037.html "iDefense is planning to announce a number of security issues with |
| 17:16.14 | mutante | ImageMagick in releases prior to 6.3.5-9. |
| 17:16.17 | sepski | schemelab, a insecure hobby site on a 24/7 machine, becoming a hub for 1000 of windows zombies is trouble for us all. you should keep your box secure, for the greater good. |
| 17:16.28 | mooper | DexterF: I just want an easy way to have a network drive on my lappy |
| 17:16.33 | mooper | maybe nfs would be good |
| 17:16.41 | DexterF | both linux? |
| 17:17.00 | mooper | nah, linux, windows, OSX, solaris |
| 17:17.02 | mooper | etc |
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| 17:17.14 | DexterF | hm, windows means samba. |
| 17:17.27 | Wyzard | mutante: It's been assigned CVE-2007-4986, but http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-4986 links to http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2007-4986 which is a blank page |
| 17:17.48 | mooper | DexterF quite |
| 17:17.58 | Wyzard | mutante: so maybe it's still pending verification or something |
| 17:18.08 | Wyzard | mutante: At any rate, if it affects etch, the security team will release an updated package |
| 17:18.26 | faemir | wols_: you there? |
| 17:19.44 | Snapser | is digg.com down? |
| 17:19.58 | Wyzard | Snapser: looks like it |
| 17:20.50 | Snapser | maybe there was a digg linking to digg |
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| 17:21.13 | Snapser | poor server~ |
| 17:21.16 | _gpg_ | je me demande pourquoi python 2.4 est par defaut et non 2.5 |
| 17:21.38 | _gpg_ | oops |
| 17:21.41 | _gpg_ | very sorry |
| 17:21.49 | faemir | Can someone tell me how to make /usr/bin/java point to sun java instead of the version already on debian? |
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| 17:22.17 | Wyzard | faemir: update-java-alternatives |
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| 17:22.41 | Wyzard | faemir: after actually installing the Sun Java packages, of course -- they're in non-free |
| 17:22.55 | _gpg_ | update-alternatives --config java ? |
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| 17:29.09 | faemir | Wyzard: thanks I forgot do it in root that's why it didn't work >_< |
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| 17:34.35 | faemir | anyone know the name of that utility that analyses your disk to show where the space is being used, in a kinda circle diagram |
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| 17:38.07 | xand | faemir: kdirstat? |
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| 17:40.09 | _gpg_ | when building software from sources (eg zope3 from svn), what's the best way to uninstall it ? just remove the install dir ? |
| 17:40.28 | faemir | xand it's a gnome application, that sounds like kde to me |
| 17:40.50 | faemir | it's default on ubuntu, yet no-one in #ubuntu will spend like 3 seconds finding it's name >_> |
| 17:40.57 | xand | !search |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:41.22 | faemir | finally. |
| 17:41.26 | faemir | baobab |
| 17:41.28 | faemir | what a strange name |
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| 17:42.08 | faemir | aww man it's not in the repos |
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| 17:43.28 | hark | it's now part of gnome in gnome-utils |
| 17:43.45 | faemir | hark <3 |
| 17:43.47 | subopt | Can anyone recommend a calendar-like application that lets you create entry categories, and filter them in/out of your view? It'd be nice if it also supported tags and journal entries. |
| 17:44.12 | faemir | subopt: just a calendar or can it do more? |
| 17:44.50 | subopt | faemir: The tags and journal entries would be nice, but not strictly needed. |
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| 17:45.44 | faemir | subopt: i mean as in does it matter if it's attached to say evolution, though obviously not that |
| 17:46.56 | subopt | faemir: That'd be fine; might even convince me to try their mail client again. Just need the categories of events. |
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| 17:47.27 | faemir | subopt: I dunno if evolution does them actually, I never tried, I just presumed you had tried it and that it didn't |
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| 17:47.57 | psychonate | yays, official nvidia driver installed despite all that paravirt ops crap |
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| 17:48.26 | faemir | subopt: if it doesn't, then try iceowl, I think it does, but I haven't used it in ages |
| 17:48.40 | subopt | faemir: thanks |
| 17:48.45 | faemir | np |
| 17:50.19 | xoz | what program usually blocks port 25? seems that postfix cannot run because it says port 25 is in use but netstat does not show anything related to port 25. |
| 17:51.45 | abrotman | xoz: fuser -n tcp 25 |
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| 17:52.50 | nepbabu | hey all |
| 17:53.22 | nepbabu | i am getting pathetic performance on a network switch (asus). any ideas what could be the problem? |
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| 17:54.00 | nepbabu | the downlink is 54K but i am getting around 16K from ISP :( |
| 17:54.14 | nepbabu | with direct connection to router, i get 54K though |
| 17:54.31 | xand | what's K meant to be? a kilobyte? |
| 17:54.36 | nepbabu | xand, yup |
| 17:54.46 | xand | try ##networking |
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| 17:54.51 | nepbabu | will do |
| 17:54.52 | nepbabu | thanks |
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| 17:55.24 | Smerdyakov | Anyone have a favorite open source computer algebra system? I want to solve a system of linear equations, and I thought I'd might as well do it with something that can scale up to more complicated operations. |
| 17:55.42 | subopt | xand: the 'K' is kilobaud, which is kilo-bits-per-second. |
| 17:55.44 | transvaal_ | isnt there a standart sources.list?... |
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| 17:56.31 | gkiagia | hi, I have a problem on sid. today I noticed that dbus apps cannot connect to the system bus when running as a user (as root they work). is this a known bug? |
| 17:56.33 | nepbabu | transvaal_, i believe it's in your /etc/apt/ ? |
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| 17:57.03 | xoz | abrotman: hmm. still no program using it. i better purge and reinstall postfix and hope it's the configuration |
| 17:57.05 | sonmez | Hi everyone, my friend asks for is there any equivalent library for directshow of win32 in debian? |
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| 17:57.46 | geo-rge | what is directshow |
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| 17:58.02 | abrotman | a grapphics API |
| 17:58.05 | abrotman | !sdl |
| 17:58.06 | dpkg | i heard sdl is the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl, or #sdl |
| 17:58.07 | abrotman | maybe |
| 17:58.13 | geo-rge | gotcha |
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| 17:58.34 | sonmez | Thanks! |
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| 17:59.34 | sonmez | I'm trying to switch him all attention to GNU/Linux :-) |
| 17:59.47 | sonmez | s/him/his |
| 18:00.05 | geo-rge | careful there |
| 18:00.15 | amphi | sonmez: or opengl perhaps - I'm not sure what 'directshow' is |
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| 18:00.41 | geo-rge | because if you do that then you could end up being his free consultant |
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| 18:01.02 | geo-rge | he chooses. |
| 18:01.04 | karmatronic | back, with compiz working :) |
| 18:01.25 | sonmez | geo-rge: :-) right.. |
| 18:01.27 | gkiagia | opengl is the equivalent for direct3d. sdl should do as a replacement for directshow |
| 18:01.43 | geo-rge | then, he commits to learning what is necessary |
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| 18:01.49 | sonmez | he needs to do capturing, transporting, processing, displaying, and synchronizing digital media (2D and 3D graphics, audio and video processing, I/O, and networking). |
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| 18:02.33 | mcbane | hi |
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| 18:03.05 | sonmez | gkiagia: he said sdl is equivalent to directsounds and directplay which i don't know what are they.. |
| 18:03.07 | karmatronic | when compiz s active,i cant open a regular gnome-terminal... |
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| 18:03.55 | mcbane | I have found a bug in the package libapache2-mod-proxy-html which is not in the stable, but in the testing tree. How do I report this bug properly? |
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| 18:04.17 | maxo | hi |
| 18:04.17 | geo-rge | not sure the technologies are there for what he needs to do. plus, it's possible the hardware he uses might not be compatible at all, also possible it -never- will be |
| 18:04.41 | maxo | I've got a website running on a debian gnu/linux system, and it appears that the filesystem has just been set as readonly. any ideas why this might have just happened? |
| 18:04.42 | lavamind | when you compile a program (ie, aespipe) with one kernel (ie linux-2.6.21-amd64), do you need to recompile the program for it to run under a new version of the kernel (linux-2.6.22-amd64) ? |
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| 18:04.56 | xand | lavamind: probably not |
| 18:04.57 | geo-rge | sonmez: so converting him might not be the most useful thing you can do for him |
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| 18:05.28 | lavamind | xand, if I understand correctly, it the architecture that matters most right (ie, i386 vs amd64) |
| 18:05.34 | xbaez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.34 | xand | yes |
| 18:05.38 | amphi | sonmez: geo-rge has a good point - you may have to listen to much bleating ;) |
| 18:05.53 | sonmez | :) |
| 18:06.13 | xand | can I "mount" a tar file like a .iso? |
| 18:06.15 | maxo | what would trigger a system to suddenly set the hard drive as readonly? |
| 18:06.41 | lavamind | xand, and lastly, its mostly modules (ie, loop, kvm, etc) that have to be recompiled for each specific kernel ? |
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| 18:06.55 | xand | lavamind: erm, yes |
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| 18:07.15 | Supaplex | xand: fuse might have an extension for it. try a web search and see what you come up with. |
| 18:07.18 | amphi | xand: no - you use mc to root about in it as though it were a file system |
| 18:07.18 | lavamind | xand, thanks |
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| 18:08.00 | sonmez | geo-rge: thanks for advice :) |
| 18:08.43 | geo-rge | if you succeed in converting him and he can't use his hardware and he doesn't have a BACKUP, |
| 18:09.01 | geo-rge | you will have set him back a few years |
| 18:09.14 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.31 | sonmez | geo-rge: He is clever enough to use any os, i think.. :-) |
| 18:09.38 | geo-rge | make sure (1) he has a backup and (2) restoring that backup is WELL tested. |
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| 18:10.21 | geo-rge | if that;s the case he's clever enough to say "hell NO" |
| 18:10.23 | shifty | hey all... how can i get the output of direct rendering: yes? |
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| 18:10.52 | Eulex | shifty, you use the right driver for your gfx card, and configure it correctly. |
| 18:10.52 | shifty | i know its something with glx and grep but... :/ |
| 18:11.02 | sonmez | geo-rge: i meant "he'd google what he needs for at first" :-) |
| 18:11.03 | shifty | i want to check it ... |
| 18:11.05 | geo-rge | say I was your friend... and those things happened to me... |
| 18:11.09 | Eulex | shifty, ah. glxinfo|grep direct |
| 18:11.20 | geo-rge | you would never be allowed near my computers again for as long as I live |
| 18:11.31 | shifty | Eulex glxinfo: command not found |
| 18:11.47 | geo-rge | and the guards would be informed of this |
| 18:11.49 | Eulex | !installit |
| 18:11.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 18:12.12 | sonmez | geo-rge: in this case, i'm not directly converting him.. i am just giving him advices |
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| 18:12.31 | Eulex | shifty, in this case, install mesa-utils, I think |
| 18:12.36 | corey | ls |
| 18:12.51 | shifty | k thx just got it from google :D |
| 18:13.05 | corey | abrotman you use psad before? |
| 18:13.27 | shifty | omg direct rendering: no :( |
| 18:13.40 | shifty | Eulex: do you know a good tut for nvidia driver? |
| 18:13.47 | Eulex | yes |
| 18:13.51 | Eulex | !nvidia-onelines |
| 18:13.53 | Eulex | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 18:13.54 | h3sp4wn | Does anyone know off hand the syntax for the xfs_db log2 option to enable it |
| 18:13.54 | shifty | :D |
| 18:14.04 | Eulex | *hrmph* |
| 18:14.07 | Eulex | !nvidia oneliner |
| 18:14.07 | shifty | !nvidia |
| 18:14.07 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 18:14.08 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 18:14.30 | shifty | THX VM |
| 18:14.36 | corey | stew man I have met some strange people lately ;- |
| 18:14.45 | corey | stew ;-) |
| 18:15.50 | abrotman | corey: no |
| 18:16.25 | corey | abrotman oh well it starts but syslogd complains about the line I added to get it to work...weird. |
| 18:16.45 | geo-rge | sonmez: I'd suggest that you have him try this on a separate machine that doesn't have anything else on it |
| 18:16.52 | corey | abrotman have'nt looked at the logs yet. |
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| 18:17.26 | sonmez | geo-rge: he is gonna use vmware ;-) |
| 18:17.45 | geo-rge | again, SEPARATE machine. |
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| 18:17.58 | geo-rge | NOT the same machine. NOT vmware, DIFFERENT machine. |
| 18:18.06 | sonmez | geo-rge: okay okay.. |
| 18:18.09 | sonmez | :-) |
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| 18:18.27 | geo-rge | then he gets to decide how he likes different parts |
| 18:18.42 | corey | abrotman can you suggest any security you put on a lappy. I was going to use samhain psad shorewall and squid. people keep messing with me on public wifi. |
| 18:18.49 | geo-rge | one thing he might find useful is a good fast file server |
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| 18:20.27 | sonmez | geo-rge: if he will use.. |
| 18:20.28 | bloedefix | /collor 123 |
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| 18:20.30 | sonmez | :) |
| 18:20.59 | trombo | hello, maybe you have heard it a thousand times. Host root@debian1.mylan sends a mail to root@debian2.mylan (both fqdn from own dns zone) and gets the exim error message: 550 relay not permitted. So first question is: who is trying to relay anything? 2. Question: Why is it refusing to work? |
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| 18:21.44 | Knorrie | trombo: seems that debian2.mylan is not configured to accept mail for anything at @debian2.mylan |
| 18:21.58 | xand | interesting, I seem to have created two filesystems on the same partition :| |
| 18:21.59 | geo-rge | trombo: if the mail server accepts mail for a user in a domain that is not local, that is relaying |
| 18:22.12 | amphi | xand: :( |
| 18:22.19 | corey | xand how that takes talent |
| 18:22.25 | xand | udf and vfat... both mount and show different files |
| 18:22.29 | xand | both are /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:22.52 | shifty | Eulex: didnt wok :( |
| 18:22.56 | corey | xand with different files or the same? |
| 18:23.00 | xand | different |
| 18:23.02 | shifty | (nvidia drivers) |
| 18:23.14 | geo-rge | sonmez: right, if he will use. |
| 18:23.20 | xand | mount -t vfat shows me one set, if I use -t udf instead I get different ones |
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| 18:23.35 | schemelab | how would I get usage docs on the phpmyadmin i installed with debian 4.0? |
| 18:23.46 | schemelab | I dont even know how to connect to it to set it up |
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| 18:24.04 | transvaal_ | is that ok to dist-upgrade to an unstable version?.. |
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| 18:24.20 | corey | xand uhm very weird. I don't know how one doesn't overwrite the other. the data I mean. |
| 18:24.29 | abrotman | corey: that's a bit vague |
| 18:24.35 | hark | !helpfile phpmyadmin |
| 18:24.35 | dpkg | For help with phpmyadmin, look in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
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| 18:25.07 | corey | abrotman I always are ;-) do you know anything else I should look at security wise. |
| 18:25.30 | abrotman | corey: mess with you how ? |
| 18:25.42 | zicho | is there anyway to make a shell script display different results if a process is running and if its not running? |
| 18:26.21 | corey | abrotman uhm sending me to bogus mirrors with borked packages for one. so dns security is a issue I am not looking at yet. |
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| 18:26.29 | geo-rge | shell script can have "if ... then ..." |
| 18:26.30 | abrotman | zicho: ask #bash |
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| 18:26.35 | abrotman | !bash faq |
| 18:26.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 18:26.45 | abrotman | erm .. not what i wanted .. oh well |
| 18:27.07 | abrotman | corey: uhm .. report them to the public wifi owners ? |
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| 18:27.30 | corey | abrotman uhm well I think they know ;-) |
| 18:27.32 | geo-rge | zicho: if you can find a way for shell script to figure out if process is running or not, you can convert that to something that "if" will take |
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| 18:28.13 | corey | abrotman is there a dns validation or a public dns that is secure I can use? |
| 18:28.14 | DevideZero | i can install debiam with kde ( choose desktop durring the install ) ? |
| 18:28.22 | zicho | geo-rge: ps -C [process] works. But I do not know how to make it only display it if it can find [process]. |
| 18:28.24 | Iradigalesc | Hello! Can I run screen with a command and detach it automatically? I would like to implement it in a shell script; so I can only have it in 1 line... |
| 18:28.38 | abrotman | debian has kde |
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| 18:29.11 | DevideZero | abrotman , im installing from the firs debian cd only not from the 21 cd's |
| 18:29.12 | wols_ | DevideZero: yes. there is a special debian cd1 with kde instead of gnome |
| 18:29.28 | abrotman | DevideZero: so what? when you're done .. aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 18:29.43 | styx | aetra_? |
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| 18:30.27 | Iradigalesc | I read the screen manual but I couldn't find anything like that... :( |
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| 18:32.25 | corey | abrotman any dns validation tools I don't know about? |
| 18:32.52 | transvaal_ | is that sage to dist-upgrade to an unstable version? |
| 18:32.57 | schemelab | why does apt-cache search mysql produce a listing for tora? I installed tora and it only can connect to Postgres. |
| 18:32.59 | transvaal_ | is that safe to dist-upgrade to an unstable version? |
| 18:33.42 | Eulex | unstable is never safe |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | schemelab: no .. it can do mysql too |
| 18:34.28 | schemelab | abrotman: the pulldown in the connection mgr only showed mysql |
| 18:34.42 | abrotman | only mysql is bad ? |
| 18:34.45 | gkiagia | Iradigalesc: the -d option will help. the trick is, start screen and then call it again with -d to detach the first screen |
| 18:34.52 | schemelab | abrotman: only postgres |
| 18:34.54 | schemelab | I meant to say |
| 18:35.04 | transvaal_ | Eulex, i mean, is it usual people have problem using an unstable version? |
| 18:35.11 | Iradigalesc | gkiagia: OK; thanks! |
| 18:35.26 | abrotman | schemelab: did you install libqt3-mt-mysql ? |
| 18:35.37 | transvaal_ | on forums it seems almost every one uses unstable |
| 18:35.40 | schemelab | no. i did not no I need to . I will try now. |
| 18:36.04 | Eulex | transvaal_, a now and then it causes problems for everybody. but the less experience you have with debian, the more problems you might get. |
| 18:36.28 | schemelab | wow, that fixed it |
| 18:36.34 | Eulex | that is, experience as in fixing stuff when it breaks. |
| 18:36.47 | transvaal_ | ok, put on another way.. do most people usualy use stable or unstable? |
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| 18:36.54 | abrotman | schemelab: apt-cache show tora |
| 18:37.08 | Ronin | transvaal_: all depends on the user |
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| 18:37.16 | Eulex | transvaal_, if you have to ask; run stable. |
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| 18:37.17 | Ronin | personally all my debian machines are on stable |
| 18:37.36 | Eulex | my desktops run testing and my server runs stable. |
| 18:37.37 | transvaal_ | what do you guys use? |
| 18:37.37 | karmatronic | which WM are compatible with gnome key shortcuts ? |
| 18:37.42 | schemelab | schemyes, I see |
| 18:37.50 | karmatronic | except from metacity ... |
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| 18:38.14 | mete_888 | transvaal_ I only run stable versions |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | karmatronic: they can usually be mapped to whatever |
| 18:38.45 | transvaal_ | mete_888 dont you miss some packages?.. |
| 18:38.59 | mete_888 | noup :) I've all packages I need |
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| 18:39.43 | transvaal_ | ok, i`ll be missing some packages, but i guess i`ll stick with the stable |
| 18:39.54 | zicho | is there anyway to run a command without printing any output from it? |
| 18:40.08 | transvaal_ | another thing, i can mark unstable/stable/testing or etch/sarge..? is it the same? |
| 18:40.13 | Supaplex | zicho: foo &>/dev/null |
| 18:40.25 | karmatronic | transvaal_: yes, until they switch... |
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| 18:40.47 | karmatronic | transvaal_: and sarge is dead |
| 18:40.58 | h3sp4wn | transvaal_: It is possible more people run unstable than testing |
| 18:41.14 | karmatronic | transvaal_: i mean the distrib,not the character |
| 18:41.25 | transvaal_ | karmatronic, hm.. so it would be wise to put stable, right? so it would upgrade to the next version as soon as it is available? |
| 18:41.34 | abrotman | pseubodot! |
| 18:41.39 | mete_888 | the best thing on linux is, that it has a very good network performance :) |
| 18:41.40 | zicho | Supaplex: Ty man |
| 18:42.12 | karmatronic | transvaal_: well , when they release the next stable....we ll all be dead...:) |
| 18:42.26 | transvaal_ | lol |
| 18:42.36 | transvaal_ | anyway, i`ll put stable |
| 18:43.13 | mete_888 | transvaal_ for home office you can take unstable too ;) |
| 18:43.46 | corey | BYE ALL |
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| 18:45.16 | transvaal_ | mete_888 i thought it would be ok.. but the other guy made me believe i`ll get problems |
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| 18:46.03 | CharminTheMoose | i tell wget to download something from /mirrors/ftp.kernel.org and it downloads some other stuff in ftp.gpg4win.org and ftp.debian.org.. wtf is going on here? |
| 18:46.21 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 18:46.27 | jetscreamer | it's mirrors.kernel.org? |
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| 18:46.38 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: multiple IP hostnames |
| 18:46.43 | jetscreamer | round robin? |
| 18:46.44 | mete_888 | mirrors.kernel.org is a roundrobin ;) |
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| 18:47.09 | CharminTheMoose | well i mean that this is ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors |
| 18:47.44 | CharminTheMoose | rather i'm attempting to download some stuff from ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/kernel.org |
| 18:47.47 | mete_888 | CharminTheMoose use 193.1.193.64 as hostname ;) |
| 18:48.09 | jetscreamer | yes that's how a round robin works |
| 18:48.19 | jetscreamer | it goes round and round the list of mirrors |
| 18:48.21 | abrotman | simonrvn: your bot is being weird |
| 18:48.39 | CharminTheMoose | oooh right. |
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| 18:48.56 | CharminTheMoose | so i can't do anything about this? |
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| 18:49.08 | xand | CharminTheMoose: why would you want to? |
| 18:49.10 | mete_888 | so, I'm afk |
| 18:49.18 | mete_888 | CharminTheMoose use IP adress |
| 18:49.24 | mete_888 | not hastname ;) |
| 18:49.25 | CharminTheMoose | xand, so i don't mirror an entire ftp site? |
| 18:49.28 | xand | o.O |
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| 18:50.26 | jetscreamer | or use the mirror's true hostname |
| 18:50.26 | CharminTheMoose | pfft. |
| 18:50.37 | jetscreamer | instead of mirrors. |
| 18:50.42 | CharminTheMoose | that seems to work not.. |
| 18:50.51 | simonrvn | abrotman: found a bug |
| 18:50.55 | CharminTheMoose | jetscreamer, how can i find out the mirrors true hostname? traceroute? |
| 18:50.55 | jetscreamer | ie, use ftp.debian.org or whatever |
| 18:51.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: troubled did |
| 18:51.12 | troubled | ? |
| 18:51.17 | troubled | nm |
| 18:51.53 | troubled | waiting for dondelelcaro to get back before I test on dpkg though |
| 18:52.01 | troubled | Daveman: keep this between us plz |
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| 18:52.13 | Daveman | troubled? |
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| 18:52.22 | jetscreamer | CharminTheMoose: just pick a mirror, if that makes enough sense... other than that, how to get a list of all the mirrors mirrors.kernel.org uses in it's round robin... not sure |
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| 18:52.31 | troubled | Daveman: what were testing in #botpark, keep it to yourself plz |
| 18:52.31 | Daveman | troubled, this has nothing to do with you |
| 18:52.35 | micty | say, how can recursivity be implemented in inotify? |
| 18:52.42 | Daveman | believe it or not, not everything on freenode has to do with you :P |
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| 18:52.47 | jetscreamer | err dammnit i wanted to add another mirror and type round robin mirror |
| 18:53.04 | TrueDD | re |
| 18:53.05 | CharminTheMoose | jetscreamer, um, i am picking a mirror.. |
| 18:53.25 | CharminTheMoose | ftp.heanet.ie.. |
| 18:54.56 | ad2000 | Hi, I have a bit of a problem: I usually login to debian remotely via ssh and vnc, after updating to lenny my keyboard is all worng but only in vnc (not in ssh or on the machine direct) can anyone tell me how I might sort this out |
| 18:55.20 | jetscreamer | CharminTheMoose: in a browser, ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors .. pick one? |
| 18:55.21 | CharminTheMoose | i should i pick a mirror that's from kernel.org's list of mirrors? |
| 18:56.21 | CharminTheMoose | oh fuxxors |
| 18:56.23 | wols_ | ad2000: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. choose the proper keymap |
| 18:56.24 | CharminTheMoose | that's my problme |
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| 18:56.34 | ad2000 | ta |
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| 18:56.48 | CharminTheMoose | I fucking forgot the fucking --no-parent option |
| 18:56.49 | CharminTheMoose | fuck |
| 18:56.53 | CharminTheMoose | :P |
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| 18:56.54 | jetscreamer | maybe there's a follow.... yeah option |
| 18:57.06 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 19:01.31 | jetscreamer | harder |
| 19:01.40 | jetscreamer | AGAIN! |
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| 19:02.20 | CharminTheMoose | dang i feel silly! |
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| 19:02.59 | shifty | how can i restart bittornado? |
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| 19:04.39 | zoddan | is there problems with unstable release?, i cant get gnome, and xorg cant find my gfx card |
| 19:04.53 | klhrevolutionist | I have no /usr/share/timezone !! |
| 19:04.55 | zoddan | thinking about getting back to testing |
| 19:04.58 | jetscreamer | got nvidia or ati? |
| 19:05.03 | klhrevolutionist | and my /etc/localtime reads TZif |
| 19:05.05 | zoddan | ATI IGP :/ |
| 19:05.11 | jetscreamer | obviously rather :) |
| 19:05.13 | zoddan | Compaq laptop btw |
| 19:05.33 | jetscreamer | nvidia just came out with new drivers that support the new abi in xorg7.3 maybe ati did also |
| 19:05.41 | klhrevolutionist | what gui exist to set time ? |
| 19:05.48 | jetscreamer | other than that, startx -- -ignoreABI |
| 19:05.48 | abrotman | gui? |
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| 19:06.15 | klhrevolutionist | (G)raphical (U)ser (I)nterface applications |
| 19:06.19 | jetscreamer | you can do that in the kde control panel |
| 19:06.29 | jetscreamer | i think gnome has one also |
| 19:06.35 | klhrevolutionist | I installed debian by the xfce.iso |
| 19:06.44 | klhrevolutionist | no gnome nor kde.. |
| 19:06.45 | jetscreamer | what's wrong with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 19:06.52 | shifty | does some 1 know how to restart bittornado? |
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| 19:07.10 | jetscreamer | shifty: ctrl+c then restart it? or maybe a nice nohup |
| 19:07.41 | jetscreamer | man btdownloadgui shifty |
| 19:07.43 | klhrevolutionist | ok, installing tzdata now |
| 19:07.47 | jetscreamer | or man btdownload |
| 19:07.53 | jetscreamer | err |
| 19:07.56 | jetscreamer | or man btdownloadcurses |
| 19:08.30 | ad2000 | Hi, I have a bit of a problem: I usually login to debian remotely via ssh and vnc, after updating to lenny my keyboard is all worng but only in vnc (not in ssh or on the machine direct) can anyone tell me how I might sort this out: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. choose the proper keymap (didn't work |
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| 19:09.11 | klhrevolutionist | gonna re boot let changes take effect |
| 19:09.12 | klhrevolutionist | ty |
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| 19:11.28 | wols_ | !tell ad2000 about doesn't work |
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| 19:12.26 | klhrevolutionist | alright TZ set correctly.. |
| 19:12.30 | klhrevolutionist | time is still wrong |
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| 19:13.14 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: hwclock --show |
| 19:13.16 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 19:13.16 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:13.17 | ad2000 | The kyboard only doen't work in vnc I have tried dpkg-reconfigure and it doesn't fix the problem |
| 19:13.17 | wols_ | what time does this show? |
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| 19:13.35 | klhrevolutionist | 9:13 |
| 19:13.39 | wols_ | ad2000: doesn't work at all or wrong keymap? |
| 19:13.50 | ad2000 | wrong keymap |
| 19:13.51 | wols_ | if doesn't work at all you either configured vnc or your vnc client wrong |
| 19:14.19 | ad2000 | looks like some nordic language to me |
| 19:14.53 | abrotman | klhrevolutionist: what time is it? and what's your timezone ? |
| 19:14.58 | wols_ | ad2000: grep -i xkblayout /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 19:15.30 | anomic | what's the best place to declare "systemwide" variables? |
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| 19:15.35 | ad2000 | Option "XkbLayout" "gb" |
| 19:15.50 | klhrevolutionist | abrotman: My timexone is CST or mexico city & the real time is 2:22 |
| 19:15.58 | klhrevolutionist | cannot apt-get hwclock.. |
| 19:16.15 | abrotman | klhrevolutionist: what is the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 19:16.17 | klhrevolutionist | and as for rcS <-- it reads UTC=no |
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| 19:16.38 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: hwclock is already installed on evey debian by default |
| 19:16.56 | klhrevolutionist | command not found |
| 19:17.02 | abrotman | klhrevolutionist: what is the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS ? |
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| 19:17.08 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | hi |
| 19:17.08 | abrotman | it's a file . not a command |
| 19:17.11 | klhrevolutionist | rcS= UTC=no |
| 19:17.24 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: /sbin/hwclock |
| 19:17.51 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | where do I set my locales (the debian way)? |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:18.01 | wols_ | !locales |
| 19:18.01 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 19:18.06 | klhrevolutionist | abrotman: I do not have hwclock & it is not available by apt-get |
| 19:18.11 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | cheers |
| 19:18.14 | ad2000 | tried that already |
| 19:18.18 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: then you don't run debian? |
| 19:18.25 | klhrevolutionist | I run etch |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | klhrevolutionist: you do have it |
| 19:18.33 | spq | how can i configure a router over serial console? (which app do i need?) |
| 19:18.55 | spq | (im searching for a terminal application) |
| 19:18.58 | wols_ | spq: minicom for example |
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| 19:19.06 | klhrevolutionist | ~$ hwclock bash: hwclock: command not found |
| 19:19.12 | abrotman | as root |
| 19:19.14 | spq | minicom, yes i remember it, thynk you |
| 19:19.21 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: I told you: /sbin/hwclock |
| 19:19.31 | klhrevolutionist | same thing |
| 19:19.41 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: are you root? |
| 19:19.42 | abrotman | spq: kermit is another |
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| 19:19.54 | klhrevolutionist | I ran it as both $user and root |
| 19:20.09 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep util-linux |
| 19:20.09 | dpkg | ii |grep util-linux 1.6-2.2 wols_'s private stamp collection |
| 19:20.10 | click170 | Does anyone know what I should do if I'm seeing "Neighbour table overflow" in my syslog? |
| 19:20.11 | wols_ | what does this say? |
| 19:20.29 | wols_ | click170: you should tell us which app wrote it into your syslog |
| 19:20.30 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | where do I make locale-changes for a specified user? |
| 19:20.41 | click170 | Kernel |
| 19:20.43 | wols_ | OSCAR_ACOSTA: .profile |
| 19:20.56 | wols_ | click170: check dmesg perhaps? |
| 19:21.01 | wols_ | click170: and kern.log |
| 19:21.20 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: what does dpkg -l|grep util-linux say ? |
| 19:21.24 | klhrevolutionist | http://paste.debian.net/37758 |
| 19:22.13 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: why did you remove it? |
| 19:22.16 | wols_ | reinstall it |
| 19:22.18 | klhrevolutionist | I did'nt |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:22.39 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: you lie: Priority: required |
| 19:22.59 | click170 | kern.log shows the same message as well. dmesg does not. |
| 19:23.04 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | when setting LC_ALL and afterwards LC_LANG, will the latter override LC_ALL? |
| 19:23.16 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | LANG I mean |
| 19:23.30 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: if you try to remove util-linux apt will say the following: You are about to do something potentially harmful To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say! |
| 19:23.40 | click170 | Also, when "Neighbour table overflow" shows up, it appears with a message saying the above message was suppressed X number of times. X being a random, and sometimes very large numver. |
| 19:23.43 | click170 | number* |
| 19:23.52 | klhrevolutionist | I don't recall uninstalling that file.. |
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| 19:24.32 | klhrevolutionist | ok, re-installed I must have uninstalled it by accident.. |
| 19:24.36 | klhrevolutionist | hwclock now works |
| 19:24.55 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: your system can only get the right time on bootup if hwclock is availabl |
| 19:25.09 | klhrevolutionist | ok, so i'll reboot & see if that was the issue |
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| 19:27.46 | klhrevolutionist | time is still wrong.. |
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| 19:30.46 | reto_ | heya, OT question, whats a 'hydro'? |
| 19:30.53 | reto_ | a friend of mine mentioned that in a mail |
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| 19:32.23 | hark | !dict hydro |
| 19:32.25 | dpkg | Dictionary 'hydro' (2): Hydro \Hy"dro\, n. A hydro-a["e]roplane. ;; . Hydro- \Hy"dro-\, Hydr- \Hy"dr-\ 1. A combining form from Gr. ?, ?, water (see Hydra).. |
| 19:32.35 | amphi | reto_: I've heard people refer to hydropower plants as 'hydro' |
| 19:32.52 | abrotman | reto_: in what context ? |
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| 19:33.47 | reto_ | abrotman: not having the money and it being about to be shut down |
| 19:34.08 | klhrevolutionist | hwclock --date=9/22/07 14:45:00 |
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| 19:34.17 | reto_ | abrotman: just 'water'? |
| 19:34.31 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: install ntpdate |
| 19:34.45 | wols_ | then ntpdate pool.ntp.org; hwclock --systohc |
| 19:34.54 | hark | just ask him :) |
| 19:35.25 | reto_ | hark: ? |
| 19:36.26 | hark | yeah, "dude WTF is a hydro?" |
| 19:36.27 | klhrevolutionist | sweet. |
| 19:36.52 | iguanna | anybody can help me, i want to have internet in my debian from a windows system. Both system are connected by rj45 cable and doing ping with each other works fine, but intener is not shared to debian, any link to help me or anything please? |
| 19:36.53 | klhrevolutionist | wols: anything else i have to do ? |
| 19:36.55 | reto_ | hark: 'she' is sitting on the other side of the globe and I try to a answer a rather long mail of her :) no way to just ask her |
| 19:37.09 | reto_ | hark: but I think I know now what she means thanks |
| 19:37.35 | reto_ | iguanna: you wanna learn all you can about NAT :) |
| 19:38.00 | iguanna | !tell NAT |
| 19:38.04 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: hwlcock --show to check if all works perhaps |
| 19:38.12 | wols_ | !tell iguanna about ipmasq |
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| 19:38.40 | klhrevolutionist | Sat 22 Sep 2007 02:38:31 PM CDT -0.471601 seconds |
| 19:38.41 | wols_ | iguanna: also dnsmasq is helpful then |
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| 19:38.57 | wols_ | klhrevolutionist: sounds alright? |
| 19:39.07 | iguanna | i will see |
| 19:39.16 | klhrevolutionist | yeah.. i like my clock set a little faster, but this will work |
| 19:39.18 | klhrevolutionist | Thanks |
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| 19:41.44 | klhrevolutionist | any simple gui cd player recommendations ? |
| 19:42.34 | amphi | klhrevolutionist: I just use grip |
| 19:42.44 | klhrevolutionist | me too.. |
| 19:42.59 | klhrevolutionist | but I was hoping not to have to install all kinds of gnome stuff |
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| 19:44.13 | amphi | klhrevolutionist: cdplay in console? ;) |
| 19:44.27 | amphi | klhrevolutionist: no interface, just does it |
| 19:44.34 | Studiosus | Hi, All! How can I recover Debian GRUB after installing WinXP? |
| 19:45.14 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | boot rescue or rescuigui kernel from the debian cd |
| 19:45.29 | Kevin` | Studiosus from grub, root (hd0,x), setup (hd0), where x is your /boot or /, from a livecd, grub-install --root-directory=whatever /dev/whatever |
| 19:46.02 | Studiosus | ok, thx |
| 19:46.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, who wants to help me compile something written in pascal? |
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| 19:46.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | In the readme, it just says: "use lazarus" |
| 19:46.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Which gets me nowhere, since I have no idea how to use lazarus |
| 19:46.37 | abrotman | lazarus has no docs ? |
| 19:46.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | The binaries are only for x86, I'm on amd64 |
| 19:46.59 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: why cant you run the x86 binaries on amd64? |
| 19:47.02 | abrotman | you could try a free pascal compier |
| 19:47.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Well yeah, but they're big, complex and un-understandable for a non-coder |
| 19:47.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: cause dpkg refuses to install them :p |
| 19:47.20 | abrotman | !info fp-compiler etch |
| 19:47.23 | dpkg | fp-compiler: (Free Pascal -- Compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-4 (etch), Packaged size: 1513 kB, Installed size: 3840 kB |
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| 19:47.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, thanks, abrotman :D |
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| 19:50.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Err, it's already installed - but there's no app named fp-compiler |
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| 19:50.19 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: dpkg -L fp-compiler |
| 19:50.27 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | alright, does anyone got an idea why gnome/gdm seem to totally ignore my locales provied in .bash_profile/.profile? |
| 19:50.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: hmm, never tried the -L option before - didn't know it existed |
| 19:50.46 | abrotman | because those are for interactive logisn |
| 19:50.58 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | you mean for login shells? |
| 19:51.17 | wols_ | !tell styx about security |
| 19:51.41 | valdyn | !wikifaq OSCAR_ACOSTA DotFiles |
| 19:51.42 | dpkg | OSCAR_ACOSTA: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 19:51.52 | valdyn | OSCAR_ACOSTA: ^^ that explains in depth why this is like it is |
| 19:51.56 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | i don't think that will help me |
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| 19:53.16 | g-hennux | hi |
| 19:53.26 | g-hennux | what's the standard kernel version that comes with debian sarge? |
| 19:53.40 | valdyn | g-hennux: 2.4.something and 2.6.8 |
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| 19:54.10 | g-hennux | valdyn: oh... kay, thank you :-) |
| 19:54.46 | abrotman | sarge ? |
| 19:54.46 | abrotman | 2.4.18 i think |
| 19:54.46 | valdyn | g-hennux: etch is the latest stable. |
| 19:55.32 | xand | 2.4.27 I thought |
| 19:55.49 | valdyn | that's what i thought too |
| 19:55.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Ok, I think I managed to compile it, but when I try to run it, it chokes. (winff:22906): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 19:55.54 | hark | yes 2.4.27-3 |
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| 19:56.03 | g-hennux | yeah, i have a driver for a (win)modem for debian sarge from devolo.de. and due to some change in the kernel api or so it doesn't compile correctly... |
| 19:56.13 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: no idea .. |
| 19:56.13 | amphi | Dark_Apostrophe: you need a better class of ELF |
| 19:56.15 | g-hennux | well, i'm actually on ubuntu, but the driver is for debian |
| 19:56.49 | wols_ | g-hennux: then go to #ubuntu. we can't help you |
| 19:56.52 | valdyn | g-hennux: winmodems are just sound cards , so alsa might be worth checking out.. |
| 19:57.15 | g-hennux | wols_: i didn't want to bug you with my problem, just the kernel version to which i have to downgrade in doubt :-) |
| 19:57.15 | g-hennux | thank you && bye |
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| 19:57.44 | wols_ | current ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel. oh my... |
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| 19:58.35 | Sisk | Didn't Ubuntu break Debian compatability a while back? |
| 19:58.46 | abrotman | it's irrelevant |
| 19:58.47 | valdyn | Sisk: that's not how it works |
| 19:58.56 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 19:58.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 19:59.13 | xand | !bobbitt |
| 19:59.13 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 19:59.15 | valdyn | Sisk: beside being irrelevant in this case ubuntu maintains a diff to sid and gets resynced |
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| 20:00.54 | Sisk | Ah. Ok....I haven't even looked at that mess in about two and a half years. |
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| 20:04.43 | sylpheedClaws | can I ask Sidux Qs here? |
| 20:04.54 | sylpheedClaws | because there isn't a #sidux |
| 20:06.33 | sylpheedClaws | anyone know if Sidux is 686-optimized, or if it's just the kernel? |
| 20:06.36 | xand | no you can't |
| 20:06.43 | sylpheedClaws | now you tell me... |
| 20:06.44 | Eulex | !sidux |
| 20:06.44 | dpkg | well, sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 20:06.45 | xand | !based on debian |
| 20:06.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:07.18 | xand | sylpheedClaws: connect to irc.debian.org and join #sidux ;) |
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| 20:14.27 | Matt189 | hi :) |
| 20:14.27 | g-hennux | when i install a .deb package, what happens technically? i know there is a control.tar.gz and a data.tar.gz. obviously the data file is unpacked to /, and then? my package starts a compilation afterwards, but without that there is a command to do so in the postinst file |
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| 20:15.20 | xaque | Why is there no bin for apcupsd? |
| 20:15.44 | g-hennux | i correct myself, it is |
| 20:15.56 | abrotman | g-hennux: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:16.15 | g-hennux | abrotman: ah, so the deb format is a ubuntu thingy? ;-) |
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| 20:16.24 | abrotman | g-hennux: you're using ubuntu |
| 20:16.51 | Matt189 | whenever I apt-get install anything, or dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:16.54 | Matt189 | I get this: |
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| 20:17.03 | Matt189 | No pre-built modules for: Debian-4.0 linux-2.6.20-16-generic i686-SMP |
| 20:17.04 | Matt189 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.04 | Matt189 | Trying to automatically build the driver modules... |
| 20:17.05 | g-hennux | abrotman: on my own machine, i'm using gentoo. anyway, why not ask the architects of a file format how it works? |
| 20:17.28 | g-hennux | abrotman: sorry if i started some kind of ubuntu discussion before/after i left |
| 20:17.29 | streuner | g-hennux: /topic and /msg dpkg ubuntu |
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| 20:18.25 | micty | say, how can recursivity be implemented in inotify? |
| 20:18.47 | micty | does auditd provide recursive monitoring? |
| 20:19.18 | Supaplex | micty: have you asked the LKML? does it need to be in kernel space? |
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| 20:20.17 | micty | Supaplex: what ? the recursivity of inotify? |
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| 20:21.15 | Supaplex | yes |
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| 20:21.40 | micty | Supaplex: no, I didn't ask |
| 20:22.17 | Supaplex | dpkg: inotify is also used by Beagle (a desktop search infrastructure), |
| 20:22.18 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 20:22.28 | Supaplex | ugh, paste... |
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| 20:22.48 | riot | re |
| 20:22.48 | micty | Supaplex: but I think, that if a new directory is created, by the time a user can put a monitor on it, many IO events can happen in it |
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| 20:23.13 | micty | Supaplex: and all of them will be missed |
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| 20:24.32 | wols_ | is there a compiz fusion backport repo for etch somewhere? |
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| 20:25.35 | Supaplex | micty: no idea. lkml would be a better place for that, or, if there's any mailing lists/support forums for the inotify patch. |
| 20:25.52 | Supaplex | the patch is small, so maybe you can add it yourself to. |
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| 20:27.39 | colera | i am running a server with debian and i used to be able to ssh -X to it |
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| 20:28.30 | colera | now when i try it doesn't work, it doesn't seem to set the DISPLAY when i -X to it |
| 20:28.39 | war | Hi, is apt-spy broken? |
| 20:28.44 | colera | i am trying to acces it from an ubuntu laptop |
| 20:28.47 | Merlin-- | what website can I past data on not to past it on main? |
| 20:28.57 | war | dpkg, apt-spy? |
| 20:28.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 20:30.05 | micty | Supaplex: what is LKML? |
| 20:30.13 | Supaplex | !lkml |
| 20:30.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 20:30.28 | Supaplex | ahh memories of tux.org. |
| 20:30.57 | war | Benchmarking HTTP... |
| 20:30.58 | war | Segmentation fault |
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| 20:31.00 | war | apt-spy :( |
| 20:31.24 | Supaplex | cool. in a week tux.org will be 10 years old. |
| 20:32.15 | Supaplex | war: you'll have to select a mirror manually. or see if a workaround is available from http://bugs.debian.org/apt-spy |
| 20:32.21 | Supaplex | !tell war -about mirrors |
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| 20:35.11 | masus | !ltsp |
| 20:35.11 | dpkg | ltsp is probably the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 20:35.44 | xaque | Why is there no binnary file when I install apcupsd? |
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| 20:37.20 | ethang | hey folks |
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| 20:38.19 | ethang | hey guys i just installed Debian on my new laptop and I'm having some X-related problems |
| 20:38.41 | pumpkin0 | ethang: which debian, which gfx-chip,which problems ? |
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| 20:39.28 | ethang | debian 4.0 - ATI Rage Mobility 4 AGP - only resolution is 640x480. |
| 20:39.37 | Sisk | Anyone know a good text editor that can do programing language based highlighting? |
| 20:39.44 | ethang | i had to re-do xorg.conf because it messed up the display something awful |
| 20:39.52 | abrotman | Sisk: vim? |
| 20:40.27 | pipeline | ethang: probably has 1M RAM. Try toning back to 8bit color. |
| 20:40.39 | pumpkin0 | ethang: and it worked before ? |
| 20:40.39 | xaque | Is is possible to turn a wireless card in a debian box into a wap? |
| 20:40.50 | ethang | BIOS says it's supposed to have 16 MB |
| 20:40.55 | ethang | how do I do that? |
| 20:40.56 | abrotman | xaque: depends on the driver |
| 20:40.57 | amphi | xaque: if the driver supports master mode |
| 20:41.10 | Sisk | Vim...right...I used to use that one. I can't remember why I quit. |
| 20:41.22 | pumpkin0 | ethang: do you have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed |
| 20:41.30 | ethang | pumpkin: no it didn't - it was all screwed up - half the screen duplicated |
| 20:41.41 | xaque | so thats my next question. My wifi router died, so what kind of card would I be best to purchase to use as a wap on debian? |
| 20:41.45 | ethang | pumpkin - si that a package? |
| 20:41.52 | ethang | *is |
| 20:42.09 | pumpkin0 | ethang: yes. |
| 20:42.12 | amphi | xaque: some intel cards do, atheros does, not sure about others |
| 20:42.30 | ethang | lemme check |
| 20:43.13 | ethang | pumpkin - yes I do have that installed |
| 20:43.35 | pumpkin0 | ethang: good. can you put the xorg.conf into a pastebin so people can have a look ? |
| 20:43.45 | ethang | how do i do that? |
| 20:44.06 | pumpkin0 | ethang: copy&paste the file here: http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 20:45.18 | ethang | working... |
| 20:46.42 | ethang | did it |
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| 20:46.52 | dvs | ethang: post the URL here |
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| 20:47.36 | ethang | http://pastebin.com/m58dea2b0 |
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| 20:48.22 | ethang | i'm gonna start wading through the X log and see what's going on in there |
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| 20:48.50 | pumpkin0 | ethang: add a resolution to the 24 bit SubSection "Display". |
| 20:48.50 | dvs | How come there are no frequency ranges in the Monitor section? |
| 20:49.23 | pumpkin0 | dvs: laptop/lvds-connection, he does not need them anyway. |
| 20:49.24 | ethang | dvs: good question |
| 20:49.41 | pipeline | xaque: you would need a really, really old card. The only general purpose chipset that supports being an AP is prism2. |
| 20:49.43 | dvs | pumpkin0: ok |
| 20:49.54 | pipeline | xaque: at least, the only one I know of. |
| 20:49.59 | pipeline | xaque: probably easier to buy a WRT54GL |
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| 20:50.34 | pumpkin0 | ethang: add <Modes "1024x768"> to the 24 bit dusplay subsection and try again. |
| 20:50.51 | pumpkin0 | ethang: w/o the < and > signs of course... |
| 20:51.22 | ethang | ok i'll try that |
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| 20:51.53 | pumpkin0 | ethang: and the default color-depth is missing... |
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| 20:53.07 | pumpkin0 | ethang: like this: http://pastebin.com/m5ad05137 |
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| 20:54.29 | ethang | working |
| 20:54.40 | psychonate | how does one set an image for the bottom of the cube in compiz? |
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| 20:56.09 | abrotman | psychonate: maybe ask #compiz |
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| 20:56.18 | abrotman | or #compiz-fusion .. whatever it is now |
| 20:56.46 | psychonate | yeah, I'm waiting on them. I think they're usually catatonic |
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| 20:57.19 | ethang | well that time shen I stried to log out of X it froze and I couldn't see any terminals |
| 20:57.22 | ethang | *when |
| 20:57.49 | pumpkin0 | ethang: ctrl-alt-backspace. |
| 20:58.24 | ethang | oops |
| 20:58.30 | ethang | i typed something wrong |
| 20:58.38 | ethang | it failed reading the xorg conf |
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| 20:59.23 | pumpkin0 | ethang: check for typos. But it may be a option your gfx does does not support. |
| 20:59.23 | h3sp4wn | Any documentation anywhere about using gcc-multilib properly to build kernel modules with a 64 bit kernel 32 bit userland |
| 20:59.33 | ethang | weird |
| 20:59.44 | ethang | i have a backup xorg.conf in my ~ of root |
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| 20:59.51 | ethang | it worked with the higher resolution |
| 21:00.06 | pumpkin0 | ethang: backups are nice, use them. |
| 21:00.07 | ethang | but I started it X -conf /root/... |
| 21:00.17 | h3sp4wn | (make-kpkg has the CROSS_COMPILE=- ARCH=amd64) some are safe but some hardcode gcc into stuff (maybe a wrapper ?) |
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| 21:00.25 | ethang | it shouldn't have read the /etc/X11/xorg.conf at all |
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| 21:01.48 | pumpkin0 | ethang: well, upload the xorg log into the pastebin. the logs outputs the config-file it used. |
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| 21:02.41 | ethang | hang on I had to reboot the darn thing |
| 21:02.52 | Solet | is there a package for making a NAT that has absolutely -no- firewall at all? |
| 21:02.58 | ethang | a computer in the hands of a fool is a dangerous thing |
| 21:03.02 | ethang | :) |
| 21:03.18 | Solet | i cant get my router to work right... the clients can see it, it can see the internet, but the clients cant see the internet, and ipmasq is confusing the shit out of me |
| 21:03.30 | pumpkin0 | Solet: a NAT is a very crude form of a firewall... |
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| 21:04.21 | wols_ | Solet: what's confusing about ipmasq? |
| 21:04.28 | pumpkin0 | Solet: can the clients ping a internet-IP ? |
| 21:04.32 | Solet | wols_ i dont know how to modify anything |
| 21:04.43 | Solet | pumpkin: no... that's what i mean by cant see the internet |
| 21:05.00 | wols_ | Solet: why do you need to modify anything right now? for what reason? |
| 21:05.05 | Solet | my dns doesnt appear to be working anyway |
| 21:05.12 | wols_ | Solet: use dnsmasq |
| 21:05.15 | Solet | wols: i'd imagine it needs modified cause it's not working |
| 21:05.17 | pumpkin0 | Solet: does "route" show the router as gateway ? |
| 21:05.21 | mick_work | hey, has anyone ever had issues mounting a dvd? i just noticed that when i put in a dvd it says: |
| 21:05.24 | wols_ | Solet: you are very mistaken |
| 21:05.24 | mick_work | # mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 21:05.25 | mick_work | mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 21:05.45 | wols_ | mick_work: DVDs don't use iso9660 at all |
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| 21:06.09 | mick_work | what should i use as the -t ? |
| 21:06.11 | ethang | dang it i messed it up now it's back to where i started. obviously i should not be allowed to log in as root on my own system |
| 21:06.24 | Solet | wols_: yeah... but it's wierd |
| 21:06.26 | wols_ | Solet: for starters to get it to work, all you need is to install it and tell it which interface is the WAN one. nothing else |
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| 21:06.32 | pumpkin0 | ethang: ... get the log online ... |
| 21:06.41 | wols_ | ethang: udf |
| 21:06.47 | wols_ | mick_work: udf |
| 21:07.03 | rjw | wols_: why not?, they can be formated however you like |
| 21:07.16 | Solet | how do i tell it that? |
| 21:07.26 | Solet | default-if returns eth0 which is the wan |
| 21:07.29 | pipeline | Solet: No, the only way to do packet mangling is with netfilter. There are various frontends to netfilter (iptables, ipmasq) but they're still a firewall of sorts :) |
| 21:07.42 | mick_work | # mount -t udf /dev/dvd /media/cdrom |
| 21:07.44 | mick_work | mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf' |
| 21:07.47 | mick_work | :-| |
| 21:07.56 | pipeline | Solet: You CAN route packets without a firewall at all, but that won't work if you're using private, non-routable IPs: traffic will go out, but the other end of the connection will have no idea how to send data back to you :) |
| 21:08.06 | pipeline | Solet: that's the difference between NAT and simple IP forwarding. |
| 21:08.08 | wols_ | Solet: dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
| 21:08.55 | ethang | i have to put the stupid mouse description back in the conf |
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| 21:10.26 | Solet | wols_ did it... it didnt ask me anything that even mattered... 2 questions about ppp and one about when to apply rules |
| 21:10.27 | salman_ | Wyzard, now what? the Segate tool says the hard disk is fine? why does debian says it is not? |
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| 21:11.02 | Solet | and still no internet on the other machines |
| 21:11.07 | wols_ | Solet: ok. then you're done. you have ANT set up |
| 21:11.18 | wols_ | note: you haven't set up DNS in any ways |
| 21:11.31 | smhar | Wyzard, now what? the Segate tool says the hard disk is fine? why does debian says it is not? |
| 21:11.38 | abrotman | smhar: could be dma ? |
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| 21:11.46 | Solet | wols_ i've made my forward and reverse zone files, and my isp's dns files are in the forwarders block |
| 21:11.49 | wols_ | Solet: do a ping 66.249.93.104 on a client. what does it say? |
| 21:12.04 | wols_ | Solet: you don't need zonefiles and shit like that |
| 21:12.13 | Solet | wtf i can hit it |
| 21:12.23 | wols_ | so it works? |
| 21:12.29 | Solet | wols_ if i'm runing 3 webservers an irc server and 2 php servers i do need it |
| 21:12.34 | Solet | yeah it works |
| 21:12.48 | smhar | smhar, how to tell? the errors shows when booting the system, booting kernel messages scream about : |
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| 21:12.56 | wols_ | Solet: no. a guy with as little nowledge as you desn't need to run it's own DNS. that's criminal negligence |
| 21:13.06 | Solet | /url -n http://www.slackware.com/torrents/slackware-12.0-install-dvd.torrent |
| 21:13.09 | smhar | abrotman, task_in_intr: status=0x59 (DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error ) task_in_intr: status=0x10 ( SectorIdNotFound ) LBAsect=39167615 sector=391 |
| 21:13.18 | Solet | fuck -_- that wasnt supposed to paste in |
| 21:13.27 | DocPlatypus | that looks like a hosed disk |
| 21:13.27 | abrotman | smhar: sounds like a dying drive .. but like i said .. you can try enabling DMA |
| 21:13.40 | Solet | wols_ i'm doing it to learn how... |
| 21:13.49 | DocPlatypus | okay, USB pen drive formatted with ext2fs, I'm getting a "XXX should never happen" during fsck |
| 21:14.24 | smhar | abrotman, knoppix 5.1 boots it without any error. but I will check the dma |
| 21:14.27 | DocPlatypus | how does one go about fixing these or getting useful information as to exactly *what* should never happen? |
| 21:14.47 | DocPlatypus | the only thing I did, was run a mouse on the same USB bus as the pen drive and apparently found out that they don't like each other |
| 21:14.56 | pumpkin0 | DocPlatypus: you backup it, then run badblocks on it. |
| 21:15.17 | DocPlatypus | pumpkin0: I don't think it's getting badblocks |
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| 21:15.24 | DocPlatypus | err actually failing |
| 21:15.24 | Solet | ok so i can hit ip's but not domains... |
| 21:15.29 | Solet | so my dns is broken somewhere |
| 21:15.30 | pumpkin0 | DocPlatypus: not enough mA for both ? |
| 21:15.42 | DocPlatypus | pumpkin0: they are the only two devices on the bus |
| 21:15.44 | DocPlatypus | or were |
| 21:15.52 | DocPlatypus | I think it's a case of one or the other not following the USB spec |
| 21:16.14 | pumpkin0 | DocPlatypus: in that case: return the pen drive. |
| 21:16.59 | DocPlatypus | pumpkin0: I think it's the mouse. only recently, however, has this started to happen |
| 21:17.03 | mick_work | bleh, i give up |
| 21:17.12 | DocPlatypus | both the printer and the pen drive seem to hate being next to the mouse |
| 21:17.25 | pumpkin0 | DocPlatypus: Laser-thingy ? |
| 21:17.40 | DocPlatypus | pumpkin0: it's an optical mouse, not laser-based though, standard LED |
| 21:17.41 | ethang | thingy is the technical term, of course |
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| 21:17.56 | DocPlatypus | finally managed to convince fsck to give the pen drive a clean bill of health |
| 21:18.17 | ethang | ok |
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| 21:18.30 | DocPlatypus | "Sometimes an expert may be able to do better driving the fsck manually." <-- please, if you have a case of severe file system corruption or an "XXX should never happen", take these words to heart!! |
| 21:18.38 | ethang | so when I added DefaultDepth 24 to my xorg.conf file it's messed up again |
| 21:18.44 | DocPlatypus | the data you save might be your own |
| 21:18.59 | ethang | you want the log file? |
| 21:19.03 | pumpkin0 | ethang: yes |
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| 21:19.28 | pumpkin0 | ethang: that card can do 24 bit under linux... |
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| 21:19.56 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:21.07 | alpr | hello, i have a tiny problem with my debian server and the vsftpd installation: i can access to the user directoy via an ftp client, but i cannot create folders and change attributes - nor upload files. i tried "chmod 777 user/" (as root) in order to make everything in the user's directoy writeable, but it didnt help. :( |
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| 21:21.52 | kspath | alpr: did you check your vsftpd configs? |
| 21:22.03 | alpr | yes |
| 21:22.19 | alpr | is there a specific thing i need to set to yes or no? |
| 21:22.28 | kspath | alpr: did you restart the vsftpd after making any changes? |
| 21:22.34 | alpr | yep |
| 21:22.37 | alpr | several times |
| 21:22.51 | ethang | http://pastbin.com/m22b9b59d |
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| 21:23.43 | kspath | alpr: the default is likely somewhat or very secure, at least I hope so. I am not a vsftpd expert especially since I avoid use of ftp protocol |
| 21:24.01 | pumpkin0 | ethang: how does the screen look like ? 2x the same image side-by-side ? |
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| 21:24.28 | ethang | pumpkin - yes |
| 21:24.31 | ethang | more or less |
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| 21:25.22 | pumpkin0 | ethang: your LCD does not talk to the gfx-chip (VESA VBE DDC read failed). In that case you need the frequency/mode setting in xorg. |
| 21:25.40 | sethrd | I'm not to sure how knowledgeable anyone here is about what I'm about to ask, but do you guys think Debian would run better on a PIII 700MHZ with 256MBs RAM then Arch Linux does? |
| 21:26.01 | wols_ | !better |
| 21:26.01 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:26.10 | ethang | where can i find those figures and where in the conf file to put them? |
| 21:26.18 | wols_ | sethrd: this question is pointless. debian and arch use the same software bas |
| 21:26.20 | wols_ | *base |
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| 21:27.02 | pumpkin0 | ethang: you are in the funny world of modelines. i cannot help you there, that was before my time. One mistake and your LCD is toast. |
| 21:27.42 | kspath | sethrd: if you are concerned about performance either do not use Xwindows or use small light Window Manager and small/light applications |
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| 21:28.15 | rZ | hey guys, i am trying to install jdk to use javac, but everytime i install the jdk it says javac not found |
| 21:28.20 | pumpkin0 | ethang: google for your notebook-model and xfree. Maybe you are lucky and somebody has the lines online. |
| 21:28.28 | abrotman | !tell rZ about install java |
| 21:28.35 | wols_ | rZ: how exactly do you install java? |
| 21:28.53 | sethrd | kspath: Well, as of now, I'm running Openbox on Arch, and the desktop itself isn't horridly slow, but I just feel like it could be better. |
| 21:28.58 | rZ | wols_: download it and run the installer, because nothing seems to be in the repos |
| 21:29.09 | sethrd | Most of the guides of installation I've seen for my model are for Debain also. |
| 21:29.12 | wols_ | rZ: you are wrong |
| 21:29.18 | rZ | wols_: I am? |
| 21:29.32 | pumpkin0 | rZ: we are pretty sure. |
| 21:29.34 | kspath | sethrd: openbox3 is definitely light enough |
| 21:29.35 | karsten | !java |
| 21:29.36 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 21:29.41 | karsten | rZ: ^^ |
| 21:29.52 | abrotman | what ... telling him about install java wasn't enough ? |
| 21:29.53 | wols_ | rZ: dpjg messaged you something |
| 21:30.01 | karsten | abrotman: I missed that. Just got here. |
| 21:30.28 | wols_ | *dpkg |
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| 21:30.59 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 21:31.02 | ethang | ok i took out the defaultdepth reference and the display looks sane again |
| 21:31.04 | rZ | ok ill try that, thanks |
| 21:31.04 | kspath | If/when the rest of Java is GPLed, will it be made available to etch users? |
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| 21:31.16 | wols_ | kspath: no. etch is stable |
| 21:31.34 | kspath | wols_ maybe backports? |
| 21:31.35 | karsten | "aptitude install perfect-housing-situation" |
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| 21:32.02 | wols_ | kspath: you can already get it from non-free so what's the point of bpo for it? |
| 21:32.02 | kspath | wols_: so testing(lenny) or unstable (always sid) else maybe backports? |
| 21:32.07 | gkiagia | does anyone have a clue why I cannot see ANY image in iceweasel ? |
| 21:32.20 | pumpkin0 | gkiagia: turn on the screen ? |
| 21:32.21 | kspath | wols_: sorry, pardon my ignorance, I missed that |
| 21:32.24 | karsten | gkiagia: Open your eyes? Image blocking? userContent.css? |
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| 21:32.41 | karsten | gkiagia: There's a mode IIRC which avoids downloading any images except by request. |
| 21:32.43 | gkiagia | pumpkin0: the screen is on obviously |
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| 21:32.53 | sethrd | kspath: Yeah, I use OB3, and I love it. I guess the issue is software it self. Firefox takes like 15 seconds to start up, which in my opinion is way to long. Opera isn't much better, but I can't stand using the smaller browsers like Epiphany and Galeon. |
| 21:33.11 | rZ | Ok, that fixed it.. what a nob i am, Thanks alot to wols_ and everyone else |
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| 21:33.21 | J_P | hi all |
| 21:33.24 | kspath | sethrd: for basic browsing try lighter things like dillo and links2 -g |
| 21:33.27 | gkiagia | karsten: is that in the properties page? I'll check it |
| 21:33.29 | wols_ | rZ: it was abrotman who told you the solution |
| 21:33.40 | rZ | oh |
| 21:33.44 | rZ | abrotman: thanks :P |
| 21:33.50 | karsten | gkiagia: Yeah, poke around through there. I don't use Iceweasel that much. |
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| 21:34.03 | rZ | well *shrug* everyone who said anything :P |
| 21:34.05 | kspath | sethrd: I think w3m does graphics also |
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| 21:34.19 | J_P | what is wrong with this command: "route add -net 192.168.50.4 netmask 255.255.255.248 gw 192.168.50.2" ? |
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| 21:34.59 | blkh4wk | Hey all |
| 21:35.00 | sysop2 | ne1 here used bluemon before? or know of a good howto for it? |
| 21:35.01 | gkiagia | karsten: neither do I but it seems that the latest konqueror in sid has a problem with flash..... |
| 21:35.06 | blkh4wk | anyone came across problem with qmailadmin compiling |
| 21:35.10 | blkh4wk | i'm getting sed: file /tmp/csIo9289/subs-2.sed line 32: unterminated `s' command |
| 21:35.14 | blkh4wk | and because of that it dosen't create Makefile |
| 21:35.35 | hon | I have exim4 installed. Is configuring exim configs the right thing to do in order to have mailx use, say, me@gmail.com and their smtp as delivery? |
| 21:35.52 | blkh4wk | i'm getting this error after running ./configure |
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| 21:36.23 | rocketmagnet | hello everyone, can someone tell me how to install Exuberant Ctags 5.7 for etch ? |
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| 21:37.01 | rocketmagnet | at the moment i'm using 5.6 but i need 5.7 for the taglist vim plugin to work with php5 |
| 21:37.01 | streuner | !qmail |
| 21:37.01 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 21:37.24 | codeyman | can I use dd to copy a larger disk image over a smaller disk (I want the image to be chopped...the disk is only 10% full) |
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| 21:37.59 | gkiagia | karsten: thanks, I hadn't noticed that before. it was an option in properties. |
| 21:38.47 | rocketmagnet | how to get stuff from sid into etch ? like ctag ? |
| 21:39.03 | streuner | rocketmagnet: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:39.04 | rocketmagnet | !downgrade |
| 21:39.04 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 21:43.32 | ethang | whew this laptop retailed new at $2459! |
| 21:43.40 | ethang | I got it for $200 |
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| 21:44.34 | J_P | hey anyone can help me ? what is wrong with this command: "route add -net 192.168.50.4 netmask 255.255.255.248 gw 192.168.50.2" ? |
| 21:46.37 | hon | J_P shouldn't you mention a device at the end, e.g. dev eth1 ? |
| 21:46.53 | J_P | hon: not |
| 21:46.56 | J_P | not needed |
| 21:47.16 | J_P | when I do "route add -net 192.168.50.0 netmask 255.255.255.248 gw 192.168.50.2" works |
| 21:47.32 | J_P | but I need 50.4 (this is network) |
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| 21:48.34 | rocketmagnet | streuner: ty, now when i have the .deb files, how to install those ? |
| 21:49.06 | h3sp4wn | J_P: I dunno whether that should be legal for a /29 |
| 21:49.25 | h3sp4wn | J_P: each subnet uses 8 ip's - so the next one should start at .8 |
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| 21:49.49 | gkiagia | rocketmagnet: dpkg -i file.deb is that what you want? |
| 21:50.07 | J_P | h3sp4wn: I have first 192.168.50.0/30 and next 192.168.50.4/29 |
| 21:50.08 | hon | J_P you are masking the last 3 bits, so what's the point of .4? shouldn't it be either .0 or .8 ? |
| 21:50.26 | rocketmagnet | gkiagia: ty |
| 21:50.28 | J_P | see ? |
| 21:52.10 | hon | can't you break it into two /30 statements? |
| 21:52.47 | J_P | hon: i need two subnets, one with 2 ips and other with 6 |
| 21:52.54 | J_P | soh first 192.168.50.0/30 and next 192.168.50.4/29 |
| 21:53.26 | kspath | J_P: minus 2 one is network for /29 and one is broadcast for the /29 |
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| 21:55.10 | J_P | kspath: yes, I was talking about usable ips |
| 21:55.10 | hon | J_P: can't you break the second one into 3 route add's? |
| 21:55.26 | tremby | hey folks. when starting up my new debian box, it stops for a while on "starting appletalk services". what is this? |
| 21:55.38 | hon | .4/30, .8/30, .12/30 |
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| 21:55.46 | J_P | hon: yes I can, But I would like know why that not works |
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| 21:56.34 | hon | I guess because it masks bits, .4 with the 3 last bit masked is equivalent to .0 |
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| 21:57.10 | Bl00dPrince | can somebody tell me why ive got only acces to my ntfs disk if im a root? |
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| 21:58.02 | ethang | whew |
| 21:58.18 | J_P | hon: So how I do for have a network with 6 ips ? |
| 21:58.19 | ethang | well I've been trying to find specs for my monitor on Dell.com but not having any luck |
| 21:58.23 | ethang | <sigh> |
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| 22:00.05 | hon | J_P: (before someone more knowledgable shows up, or before reading the appropriate RFC's, maybe starting at RFC1122) |
| 22:00.30 | kspath | J_P: 192.168.50.0/29 is a 6 usable IP network |
| 22:00.40 | Miesco | Okay, I accidently added doubles to f-spot for all my pictures, it added -1 to the pictures so there is pic.jpg and pic-1.jpg, how would I get rid of these doubles? |
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| 22:02.07 | Miesco | rm -r ./Photos *-1.JPG? |
| 22:02.11 | xand | Miesco: rm *-1.jpg maybe? |
| 22:02.20 | Miesco | I want it recursive |
| 22:02.32 | Miesco | It sorts the pictures in folders by date |
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| 22:02.42 | xand | find . -name "*-1.jpg" -exec rm {} \; |
| 22:02.49 | Miesco | K thanks |
| 22:02.54 | xand | (don't blame me if it breaks) |
| 22:02.59 | Miesco | K |
| 22:03.14 | xand | do rm -i to be asked to confirm deletion |
| 22:04.02 | J_P | kspath: hon I would like two diferents quantity ips, one with 2 usable ips and other with 6 usable ips |
| 22:04.40 | kspath | J_P: How large is the block you were alloted? |
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| 22:05.13 | kspath | J_P: if it is only a /29 you are stuck you only have 6 usuable in a /29 255.255.255.248 |
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| 22:06.27 | J_P | kspath: yes I now.. that /29 have only 6 usable ips |
| 22:06.42 | academy | I have a network with two dhcpd servers on it. Is it possible to force dhclient to only listen to one or to ignore the other? |
| 22:06.45 | J_P | kspath: but HOw to do to have two diferents quantity ips, one with 2 usable ips and other with 6 usable ips |
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| 22:08.18 | doublehp | How do I mirror a PDF ? (right <-> left ) and save it ? xpdf and acroread dont seem to be able to do that |
| 22:08.28 | supaman | hey .. I just installed the prosper (latex) package and when I try to compile a prosper file with it it gives me the following error "! Class prosper Error: unknown Prosper style file: PPRpascal.sty." and I know the prosper package did not install that file by looking at dpkg -L | grep pascal |
| 22:08.36 | supaman | what to do? |
| 22:08.39 | Miesco | Hmm, seems to have worked, but f-spot shows the deleted doubles... |
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| 22:09.43 | Miesco | HELP me FIX ALL MY PORN IMAGES |
| 22:09.55 | Miesco | Just joking |
| 22:11.20 | doublehp | Miesco: "adblock" |
| 22:11.25 | tremby | my debian box currently can't translate domains to ips. its ip is set statically and i've got the line gateway 10.0.0.200 in the relevant section of /etc/network/interfaces -- what might be wrong? |
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| 22:11.47 | gustavo | whats the best way to secure apache? chroot it mannually or using libapache2-mod-chroot? |
| 22:11.56 | abrotman | tremby: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 22:11.58 | Miesco | doublehp: Hmm? |
| 22:12.03 | academy | I have a network with two dhcpd servers on it. Is it possible to force dhclient to only listen to one or to ignore the other? |
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| 22:12.12 | H4z3 | guys, everytime i try to install apache it says it can't find the files in /etc/apache |
| 22:12.14 | curtmack | !past |
| 22:12.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, past is you can also join #flood |
| 22:12.16 | curtmack | !paste |
| 22:12.16 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:12.17 | tremby | abrotman: the wrong ip! thanks! |
| 22:12.24 | Miesco | Does doublehp ignor everyone that says porn? |
| 22:12.36 | Miesco | Is that why he said that? |
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| 22:12.51 | Frol_ | hi |
| 22:13.08 | Frol_ | i wanna install debian in my mybook |
| 22:13.14 | Frol_ | macbook sorry |
| 22:13.48 | Frol_ | but i find the size of the distribution strange |
| 22:14.03 | Frol_ | 12 Giga is it possible |
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| 22:14.20 | troubled | cydork: hello, you there? |
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| 22:14.37 | rocketmagnet | Frol_: they are all very big, but for a base install you need only the first few cds |
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| 22:14.41 | supaman | Frol_: nope .. the basic dist is much smaller .. the 12G is all the packages and all the software you can think off |
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| 22:14.54 | Frol_ | oki |
| 22:14.58 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 22:14.58 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 22:15.03 | Frol_ | it's ok |
| 22:15.14 | jzxu | how do I figure out what device file a usb device is under? |
| 22:15.23 | supaman | jzxu: lsusb |
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| 22:15.47 | jzxu | supaman: so that tells me the Bus and device number |
| 22:16.02 | jzxu | but I still need to know what /dev/* file it is so I can mount it |
| 22:16.28 | abrotman | oh thank god! |
| 22:17.01 | curtmack | jzxu: try /dev/sda1 |
| 22:17.17 | jzxu | curtmack: that's my sata drive |
| 22:17.21 | curtmack | ah |
| 22:17.27 | supaman | jzxu: then look through dmesg .. that should tell you |
| 22:17.43 | Miesco | f-spot must have a cache because its showing deleted images in the thumbnail |
| 22:17.45 | jzxu | supaman: great, I see it, thanks a lot |
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| 22:20.57 | Frol_ | can someone tell me which of the debian i should burn for this install |
| 22:20.57 | Frol_ | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#head-c01ca021c676fa6c705b7b67480d10fc689a050c |
| 22:20.59 | Frol_ | ?? |
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| 22:21.31 | abrotman | it tells you |
| 22:21.52 | Frol_ | they say |
| 22:21.59 | Frol_ | Get (burn yourself) a Debian installation CD from http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/. |
| 22:22.03 | Miesco | I think I got it |
| 22:22.15 | tremby | i have a 200 gig drive with my video collection (one ext3 partition). i wanted to add it to a logical volume. reading man pvcreate gave me the impression i could do that without reformatting it and so i ran pvcreate /dev/hdc1 -- now gparted says the partition has an unknown filesystem. i hope i haven't lost my data. what should i do? |
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| 22:22.36 | Frol_ | but wich one |
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| 22:23.39 | Frol_ | this |
| 22:23.41 | Frol_ | Get (burn yourself) a Debian installation CD from http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/. |
| 22:23.48 | Frol_ | netinst CD image (generally 135-175 MB) |
| 22:23.49 | Frol_ | ??? |
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| 22:24.09 | diafic | Right, I'm stuck in windows for a bit. How can I get some of my ext3 files? |
| 22:24.13 | supaman | tremby: unmount it (if it is mounted) and run fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
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| 22:24.42 | supaman | tremby: does fdisk recognise the partitions on the drive? |
| 22:24.53 | tremby | supaman: the output of that suggests that it's fine |
| 22:24.54 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 22:24.54 | dpkg | it has been said that explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write (at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs Ask me about <ext2ifs>. able to access LVM2. |
| 22:25.01 | abrotman | !tell diafic about ext2ifs |
| 22:25.47 | supaman | tremby: then try to mount the partition with the information fdisk gave you |
| 22:27.27 | tremby | supaman: fdisk says the filesystem type is "linux". i know it to be ext3. i ran mount /dev/hdc1 temp -t ext3 and i get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, missing codepage or other error". i suppose this is because i ran than pvcreate command |
| 22:27.47 | cydork | troubled: ping |
| 22:28.01 | supaman | tremby: hmm .. then it is out of my league |
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| 22:28.56 | supaman | tremby: uhh .. should it not be mount -t ext3 temp ?? |
| 22:29.24 | supaman | mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc1 temp ... I mean |
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| 22:29.36 | tremby | where the options are doesn't matter to mount |
| 22:29.39 | tremby | same output |
| 22:29.45 | supaman | oh .. ok |
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| 22:29.54 | micky | hello, anyone in the mood to explain how should i redirect 80 / 443 / 5050 traffic through the 2nd gateway i have on my box ? ( i've been trying to get this done for at least 2 months now using A: 2 routing tables and source ip based policy routing / B: 4 ehternet cards using the same approach as A / C: squid + outgoing_address setting / D: iptables with mangle & mark packets + ip route tables) but with barely any success. ( what i have are 2 adsl lines and i w |
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| 22:31.27 | Wooksta | hi all, ive just installed debian 4.0r1 on one of my old pcs via the net install, i only wanted to install the base system pretty much and then build it up myself with the required packages / services, however when i try to do an apt-get install apache2 for example i get the error "package apache2 has no installation candidate" does this mean im missing some sources from my sources.list? |
| 22:32.12 | Supaplex | !+info apache2 etch |
| 22:32.13 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 22:32.15 | gkiagia | Wooksta: that's probablu the case |
| 22:32.30 | micky | Wooksta seems that way, try an apt-get update and see if it does update it`s lists |
| 22:32.39 | Supaplex | failing that, |
| 22:32.40 | Supaplex | !tell Wooksta -about sources.list |
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| 22:33.47 | Wooksta | cheers :) i had a look in sources.list and saw 2x cdrom sources and 1x web source so im guessing im missing some, i'll have a look at the info :) |
| 22:34.26 | Supaplex | if you want to keep the cdrom source and have the cds, that should be ok. it'll use what ever is newest. |
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| 22:35.18 | troubled | cydork: hey |
| 22:35.37 | cydork | troubled: hiya |
| 22:35.38 | troubled | cydork: could you !chanset #debian-bots addressCharacter ~ please |
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| 22:36.28 | Wooksta | Cheers all, thats fixed it :) |
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| 22:38.30 | diafic | It doesn't bladdy work >:( |
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| 22:38.32 | diafic | ;-; |
| 22:38.58 | diafic | I now see the partition |
| 22:39.03 | diafic | but it thinks its unformatted |
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| 22:39.33 | gkiagia | diafic: which solution did you try? |
| 22:39.47 | diafic | the one I was linked by dpkg |
| 22:40.25 | gkiagia | bear in mind that when you install things in windows, you need to reboot..... that's not debian :) |
| 22:40.47 | diafic | Did that thrice now. |
| 22:40.51 | diafic | I see a Y: drive |
| 22:40.56 | diafic | but it claims its unformatted |
| 22:41.17 | yassine | hi everyone, i have a strange vdr problem on a debian box, the process starts but does not listen on its port 2001 as specified in the --port=2001 directive any idea? |
| 22:42.37 | gkiagia | yassine: a firewall? |
| 22:43.03 | yassine | gkiagia, netstat -lnp does not show any app listning on 2001 |
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| 22:43.10 | gkiagia | diafic: I thought explore2fs did not map drives but it had a nice gui for accessing the other partitions |
| 22:43.39 | diafic | gkiagia, I was trying to install the ext3 driver |
| 22:43.46 | diafic | Damnit microsoft, support more shit, |
| 22:43.54 | diafic | The rest of us can, so why not you, you bastard. |
| 22:44.10 | H4z3 | hey guys, when i try and install apache2 it says it fails and wont install, says the files in /etc/apache/* cant be foud |
| 22:44.11 | gkiagia | lol |
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| 22:45.34 | H4z3 | ok now it says this http://pastebin.com/m25913ba9 |
| 22:46.09 | H4z3 | anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:46.24 | gkiagia | H4z3: apt-get -f install |
| 22:47.03 | H4z3 | same eror |
| 22:47.06 | H4z3 | error- |
| 22:47.14 | diafic | H4z3, get a better nick and try using aptitude for installs |
| 22:47.21 | diafic | its better at dealing with dependancys |
| 22:47.32 | diafic | just replace "apt-get" with "aptitude" |
| 22:47.35 | gkiagia | yes, try aptitude install apache2 |
| 22:47.37 | diafic | mostly identical syntax |
| 22:47.37 | dondelelcaro | folks, if you don't know what the problem is, please don't offer advise. |
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| 22:47.54 | diafic | dondelelcaro, read the paste. |
| 22:47.59 | diafic | Its mostly dep. errors |
| 22:48.03 | dondelelcaro | diafic: no, it's not. |
| 22:48.33 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: for whatever reason /etc/services has dissapeared. You need to reinstall the package which contains it (netbase) with --force-confmiss |
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| 22:48.39 | garo | A system with dual core doesn't use hyperttreading, right ? |
| 22:49.10 | Ronin | dondelelcaro: how do you see /etc/services missing? just curious |
| 22:49.21 | H4z3 | im confused, lol |
| 22:49.30 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: this will enable the exim configuration to complete (hopefully). You will then be able to complete the installation of mailx and exim. [That said, apache2 has configured itself correctly.] |
| 22:49.45 | dondelelcaro | TCP port "smtp" not found <-- key phrase. |
| 22:49.48 | Ronin | ahh |
| 22:49.49 | spq | does anyone know how to pxeboot from a 3com card? (imggen?) |
| 22:50.16 | dondelelcaro | garo: not to my knowledge, no, but cat /proc/cpuinfo; would tell you about it. |
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| 22:50.28 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: how do i use --force-confmiss, im kinda confused with that part, sorry |
| 22:50.35 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 22:50.35 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 22:50.40 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: see above. |
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| 22:50.46 | H4z3 | oh thanks |
| 22:51.05 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: and randomly deleting things from /etc (or allowing things to be deleted) is generally a bad idea. |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's a big file! |
| 22:51.39 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: i see, thanks |
| 22:51.44 | dondelelcaro | (assuming I'm right, and that's actually what the problem is) |
| 22:52.02 | H4z3 | all i get is dpkg: need an action option |
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| 22:52.13 | H4z3 | Do i need to specify each file? |
| 22:52.20 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: you want the apt-get command, not the dpkg one. |
| 22:52.57 | H4z3 | Says its not understook :S |
| 22:53.01 | H4z3 | /k/d |
| 22:53.25 | dondelelcaro | what is the precise command you typed? |
| 22:54.10 | H4z3 | apt-get --force-confmiss (do i need to specify the packages?(stupid question)) |
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| 22:54.25 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: read the apt-get command at the end of the factoid that dpkg gave. |
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| 22:54.58 | c3030 | Why is the nvidia-glx package not availabe in Testing? |
| 22:55.31 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: i see, im just not sure which package i need to specify |
| 22:55.37 | dondelelcaro | c3030: probably because of #420177 et al. |
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| 22:55.41 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: netbase. |
| 22:55.41 | H4z3 | wow, i sound so stupid its unreal |
| 22:56.16 | c3030 | dondelelcaro: I assume that's some kind of killer bug? should I install the unstable or stable package as a workaround? |
| 22:56.34 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: same error i got before, >.< |
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| 22:57.17 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: /etc/services exists,shall i make sure TCP smtp port isn't commented out? or... |
| 22:57.41 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: give us the full output of dpkg --configure -a; along with grep smtp /etc/services; and your exim configuration. |
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| 22:58.57 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: it seems when i ran dpkg --configure -a it fixed everything :S |
| 22:59.24 | H4z3 | although apache isn't working..but i can install other things |
| 23:00.55 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: apache probably isn't working because the apache configuration has been deleted. |
| 23:01.06 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: you'll have to reinstall the packages that provide it with confmiss, same thing that you did for netbase |
| 23:01.29 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: alright, i get it now, thanks a bunch for all your help |
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| 23:04.39 | H4z3 | hmm, just when i thought i fixed it.. the server is running because localhost says its the server, but The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| 23:04.44 | micky | any ideas on how i might be able to reroute squid to use the 2nd gateway on my box ? |
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| 23:08.48 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: that's because whatever directory contains the document root isn't there or is pointing at the wrong directory. |
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| 23:10.05 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: its saying i need to purge and reinstall apache2.2-common, What would be the syntax to purge and reinstall? :/ |
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| 23:11.07 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: what is saying that? |
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| 23:11.25 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: when i re-installed apache.. shall i paste the whole outcome? |
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| 23:12.01 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m3b16812e |
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| 23:12.42 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: just use the force-confmiss apt-get command with apache2.2-common |
| 23:14.12 | c3030 | What's the workaround for nvidia-glx not being in testing? |
| 23:14.24 | dondelelcaro | c3030: install it from unstable. |
| 23:14.31 | c3030 | ok, thanks. |
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| 23:16.42 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: Ok i done that and i guess its fixed, but still says the url can't be found, i looked through apache.conf but i can't see why |
| 23:17.08 | dondelelcaro | H4z3: well, you'll have to look at what DocumentRoot is, where it's actually going, and what the error log says. |
| 23:17.20 | dondelelcaro | between the three of them you should be able to figure it out. |
| 23:17.35 | H4z3 | alrighty |
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| 23:20.35 | H4z3 | dondelelcaro: weird, found the error "File does not exist: /htdocs" but can't see why |
| 23:21.17 | Guerin | H4z3: you're getting that error because /htdocs doesn't exist |
| 23:21.29 | _gpg_ | any one using eclipse europa ? |
| 23:21.31 | Guerin | it's quite unambiguous |
| 23:21.51 | H4z3 | Guerin: i know, but it should be pointing to /var/www.. it doesn't say anything about the document root being /htdocs.. |
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| 23:22.24 | Guerin | H4z3: it's not just making a bizarre incorrect config up out of thin air. |
| 23:22.42 | H4z3 | I know.. |
| 23:22.43 | Guerin | try rgrep htdocs /etc/apache* |
| 23:23.08 | H4z3 | nothing.. |
| 23:23.15 | H4z3 | this is what i mean.. |
| 23:23.25 | Guerin | is this a custom (non-debian) install of apache? |
| 23:23.29 | H4z3 | no |
| 23:23.44 | Guerin | freakshow |
| 23:24.08 | Guerin | any symlinkery in /var/www? |
| 23:24.15 | tremby | any lvm experts? i have a bit of a situation. wanted to add an existing ext3 partition to an existing logical volume. man pvcreate says the partition only has to be reformatted if i wanted to devote the entire drive to the PV and so since that isn't the case i ran pvcreate /dev/hdc1. i don't know how to now add this to the logical volume (or, if necessary, to get it back to a normal ext3 partition so i get my data back) |
| 23:24.18 | H4z3 | just checking that now |
| 23:24.32 | H4z3 | nope |
| 23:24.36 | H4z3 | weird++ |
| 23:25.08 | H4z3 | DocumentRoot /var/www/ |
| 23:25.09 | H4z3 | :/ |
| 23:25.52 | Guerin | what happens if you create and put a file in /htdocs? |
| 23:26.19 | H4z3 | same problem, ill check error logs again now |
| 23:26.20 | Guerin | say, called index.html and containing the strong `yesitworks' |
| 23:26.28 | Guerin | string, too |
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| 23:26.59 | EvolutionCrazy | hi :) |
| 23:27.02 | Guerin | are you sure the error refers to an absolute path? not looking for /var/www/htdocs or somehting? |
| 23:27.19 | Guerin | apache 1.x wouldn't, but I haven't used 2 |
| 23:27.23 | H4z3 | thats what i tried |
| 23:27.27 | Supaplex | tremby: are you trying to recover data from that new drive after having second thoughts? |
| 23:27.52 | H4z3 | still get the same error :S |
| 23:27.57 | Guerin | funky |
| 23:28.00 | EvolutionCrazy | I need to load the RAID module... i modified /etc/mkinitrd/modules adding md and raid0, I did a mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-x.x.x-raid |
| 23:28.04 | H4z3 | so weird |
| 23:28.25 | EvolutionCrazy | and now I'm going to add it to grub... but here comes the problem, i do not have vmlinuz, config and systemap |
| 23:28.38 | EvolutionCrazy | can I just copy ghe old ones? |
| 23:28.53 | Guerin | see if you can figure out why it's trying to access /htdocs using strace or something |
| 23:28.59 | tremby | Supaplex: you say "new drive". none of them are new. there's an existing logical volume and there's a chunk of disk which used to be an ext3 volume but which now is identified as a physical volume. |
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| 23:30.23 | Supaplex | tremby: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/recipeadddisk.html |
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| 23:31.04 | efaistos_ | do you know if we can write on hfs partition ? |
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| 23:31.35 | tremby | Supaplex: i don't want to lose the data, though |
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| 23:31.56 | H4z3 | still no idea, this is crazy |
| 23:32.08 | Supaplex | tremby: according to this, it's not loosing the data |
| 23:32.25 | tremby | Supaplex: it's talking about a new drive freshly purchased though -- there's no data to lose |
| 23:32.49 | Supaplex | so you want to migrate data off the ext3 of a non lvm partition onto lvm? |
| 23:33.07 | tremby | well it shouldn't have to physically be moved |
| 23:33.17 | tremby | but yes |
| 23:33.26 | Supaplex | ahh ok. |
| 23:34.22 | tremby | do you know how i can do that? i just found #LVM -- i could ask there if you can't help |
| 23:35.17 | Supaplex | I've always had enough disk space. 500gb is $90 or so now |
| 23:35.20 | Supaplex | sorry :) |
| 23:35.22 | H4z3 | now my cdrom drive wont work >.< |
| 23:35.24 | H4z3 | its not my day |
| 23:35.29 | efaistos_ | do you know if we can write from Linux on HFS partitions ? |
| 23:35.56 | Supaplex | efaistos_: do you mean HFS+ including journals? |
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| 23:43.21 | efaistos_ | Supaplex: No I need to format an external HD but it has to be readable from a Mac but I think Mac can't read reiserfs or ext3 by example ... So i Thought maybe HFS+ but not sure if we have write access on that kind of partition ... |
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| 23:44.43 | Supaplex | mac can read ext2/3 (no write). if HFS+ has no journal, I think you can write to it. |
| 23:44.47 | Supaplex | !hfsplus |
| 23:44.47 | dpkg | [hfsplus] the hfs+ kernel filesystem driver for modern mac filesystems. eg, mount -t hfsplus ... |
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| 23:46.23 | broken_ | Is there any guides on debian /w laptops and the stuff you can do? I haven't been able to find any, my main concern is the touchpad which works very slow for me and is hardly sensitive and hibernating and power saving features, cpu scaling etc. |
| 23:46.50 | garo | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/276304/en-us/ :) |
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| 23:46.59 | AbacusMonkey | hahahahah |
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| 23:50.21 | broken_ | anyone? |
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| 23:51.10 | K`zan | Is there anyway to change the system timer from 250 Hz to 1 KHz without re-compling the kernel? Did recomplile the kernel but after that tvtime quit working (no pix or no channel change depending on kernel used). |
| 23:51.15 | Supaplex | broken_: try asking seperate questions on the debian-users mailing list. I for one don't really have any issues with the trackpad (works fine for me), or power use (battery lasts a few hours) |
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| 23:52.24 | Supaplex | never bothered with hibernating or cpu scaling. based on the fan noise, I think it works well (possibly too noisy compared to mac os x's default fan settings) |
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| 23:55.27 | cp1134_ | anyone running the latest debian on an intel mac mini? |
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| 23:55.40 | cp1134_ | i have this odd problem where the screen just "rolls" constantly |
| 23:55.48 | cp1134_ | this is after a fresh install |
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| 23:55.55 | The-Kernel | hi all |
| 23:56.01 | cp1134_ | amazingly i was able to go through the install w/o the screen "rolling" |
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| 23:58.21 | The-Kernel | in debian can I add stuff to the source list like I can in ubuntu? |
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| 23:58.33 | archangelpetro | yes] |
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| 23:59.03 | The-Kernel | why is firefox called iceweasel? |
| 23:59.12 | Guerin | !why iceweasel |
| 23:59.13 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for more information. |
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| 23:59.49 | The-Kernel | does it work fine with all the firefox plugins? |
| 23:59.49 | Guerin | short answer: because the mozilla corp. need control over their brand, and debian won't play their game |
