| 00:00.04 | Guerin | yes, it's mosr or less identical to firefox, except for the branding |
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| 00:01.14 | The-Kernel | ok |
| 00:01.18 | The-Kernel | nive |
| 00:01.19 | The-Kernel | nice |
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| 00:02.28 | The-Kernel | I guess etch isn't new enough for pidgin... |
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| 00:05.17 | Guerin | nope, pidgin was forked well after etch |
| 00:05.26 | Guerin | but pidgin is actually just rebranded gaim |
| 00:05.35 | Guerin | so no great loss there |
| 00:06.59 | Aidis | The latest arm kernel binary is 2.6.8 right? |
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| 00:08.18 | efaistos_ | what's the best FS to share an external HD between Debian and OSX ? |
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| 00:08.49 | sdubois92 | FAT |
| 00:09.06 | sdubois92 | i think |
| 00:10.17 | efaistos_ | sdubois92: fat is crap because you cant copy on it some files with certains names of files too long or containing some symbols |
| 00:10.40 | sdubois92 | FAT works on linux, mac and windows |
| 00:10.46 | osmosis | does linux have any ipmi client software? |
| 00:12.25 | efaistos_ | sdubois92: yeah maybe but doesnt work well ... I had a lot of errors on copied files with rsync and fat partitions |
| 00:13.56 | sdubois92 | i'm installing a program called Wired Server (www.zankasoftware.com) and when i run ./configure like it says, "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 00:14.48 | The-Kernel | brb |
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| 00:21.43 | osmosis | I have IPMI card installed, but no /dev/ipmi |
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| 00:25.27 | c2020 | Hi, can anyone help me install the nvidia driver in unstable? |
| 00:25.39 | c2020 | Please? |
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| 00:31.06 | resistance | geo-rge: r u around? |
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| 00:35.42 | resistance | i have a debian webserver, 192.168.0.14, on my lan. When i use a different debian box 192.168.0.3, i can telnet into the server,i type get and i get the code for the default webpage. When i open firefox, type in http://192.168.0.14/ i get nothing it just seems to time out, the browser shows know error, the log shows no sign of access. when i use lynx, i can access the webpage from the localhost. there is no firewall present on the webserver |
| 00:35.46 | resistance | can anyone help me? |
| 00:36.31 | resistance | i use telnet 192.168.0.14 80 |
| 00:36.58 | c2020 | Hi, can anyone help me install the nvidia driver in unstable? |
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| 00:37.27 | c2020 | Anyon at all? |
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| 00:39.19 | broken_ | Is there any way I can get my Fn key working with debian? |
| 00:39.59 | dondelelcaro | broken_: depends on what type of Fn key it is and what keycodes it sends |
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| 00:40.29 | broken_ | dondelelcaro: hmm its a toshiba laptop, Fn + F6 worked on gentoo but im not sure how to handle brightness on debian. |
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| 00:43.05 | broken_ | Is there a package that enables the use of Fn keys on laptops or? |
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| 00:43.38 | dondelelcaro | broken_: you probably want fnfxd or similar |
| 00:43.55 | broken_ | ok and is it a module or will it just work afer i install it? |
| 00:43.58 | broken_ | If it indeed works. |
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| 00:44.44 | dondelelcaro | it's an application, the documentation will tell you if more configuration is needed |
| 00:44.55 | broken_ | fatal error: Could not open /proc/acpi/toshiba/keys. |
| 00:44.55 | broken_ | Please make sure that your kernel has enabled the Toshiba option in the ACPI section. |
| 00:45.00 | gravity | I so wish ruby had something like perldoc |
| 00:45.20 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah, its documentation is crap in general. |
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| 00:45.29 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It's really sad |
| 00:45.39 | gravity | Aha! Python has pydoc! Win! |
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| 00:45.53 | gravity | Sad, I love ruby, but it's things like this that just push me away... |
| 00:46.21 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah... you'd think that with all the ruby hype the documentation would become at least at a PHP level |
| 00:46.52 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Seriously, although I'd rather it was still just a damn good language instead. |
| 00:47.20 | dondelelcaro | gravity: true |
| 00:48.13 | Supaplex | is there a readonly mirror of cvs.sourceforge.net? |
| 00:48.44 | Supaplex | I get no route to host :( c/o csr1-ve243.santaclarasc8.savvis.net |
| 00:49.01 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 00:49.12 | c2020 | Hi, can anyone help me install the nvidia driver in unstable? |
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| 00:57.29 | cartesian1984 | So, I'm running Debian Lenny with Fluxbox 1.0rc3, and when I click in a window with my mouse, it does not change focus, and nor can I highlight text. This is a from-scratch install, could I have just forgotten to install something? |
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| 01:06.27 | jeffwheeler | I'm always realizing there's little shortcuts possible in Bash, so I was wondering if something like this was possible: rerun the above command, with sudo (or anything prepended). |
| 01:07.05 | jeffwheeler | I suspect it would instigate some bad habits, though... |
| 01:07.17 | cartesian1984 | jeffwheeler: !! reruns the previous command, and doing history !12 will run the 12th command listed in history. sudo !! might do that. |
| 01:07.54 | cartesian1984 | Are there any packages in particular that I would need for my mouse to be able to focus windows in fluxbox? |
| 01:08.02 | Nyle | no |
| 01:08.08 | cartesian1984 | Because, it's not selecting forms in firefox either. |
| 01:08.12 | jeffwheeler | cartesian1984: wow, exactly what I was looking for; thank you! |
| 01:08.16 | cartesian1984 | jeffwheeler: sure thing. |
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| 01:20.14 | JamieT | useradd cannot rewrite password file .. any ideas anyone>? |
| 01:20.27 | curtmack | are you su'd |
| 01:20.28 | curtmack | ? |
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| 01:20.42 | JamieT | yup |
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| 01:27.42 | geo-rge | JamieT: why? |
| 01:28.05 | JamieT | why am I su'd? |
| 01:28.24 | geo-rge | no |
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| 01:28.41 | geo-rge | why does useradd fail to rewrite the passwd file? |
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| 01:29.57 | lindylex | hello all |
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| 01:31.28 | lindylex | I am installing DEbian and it is getting stuck at "setting up standard PCI resource" what should I do? |
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| 01:31.38 | geo-rge | JamieT: see, one of the reasons I ask questions like that the -first- thing, is to get you thinking |
| 01:31.40 | geo-rge | because |
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| 01:32.02 | geo-rge | if you are not thinking, the problem will not be solved by your input |
| 01:32.22 | JamieT | well Im root because I need to be otherwise i'll get that error |
| 01:32.26 | JamieT | anyways. |
| 01:32.42 | JamieT | i wouldnt have the proper permissions to access the file |
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| 01:32.44 | geo-rge | nonono.... JamieT: why does useradd fail to rewrite the passwd file? |
| 01:33.04 | JamieT | who the F*** knows |
| 01:33.37 | geo-rge | how would you find out? |
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| 01:35.53 | JamieT | coming to debian and saying. help me |
| 01:36.31 | JamieT | hey i have a question |
| 01:36.36 | lindylex | Any suggestions? Trying to install Debian and keeps stopping at "Setting up standard PCI resources". How can I get pass this. |
| 01:36.36 | JamieT | what ever happened to the bot apt |
| 01:36.42 | JamieT | he always had my answers before |
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| 01:39.22 | geo-rge | so you're trying to use useradd. how exactly? |
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| 01:40.39 | rrbiz | some1 know why my pentium M isn't scaling ? |
| 01:41.10 | geo-rge | it can't play guitar?> |
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| 01:42.46 | stinger | can someone check their xorg logs and tell me what is supposed to occur after a line like "ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded" |
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| 01:44.27 | geo-rge | seriously... you're closer to your pentiumm than I am... |
| 01:44.46 | beardy | What the reason to use useradd instead of adduser? |
| 01:45.08 | geo-rge | stinger: the card driver seems to be looking at the monitor settings |
| 01:46.04 | stinger | hmm ok, thanks |
| 01:46.21 | geo-rge | (**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveScreen(2) |
| 01:46.37 | geo-rge | very next coupla lines |
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| 01:48.05 | exobyte | is there a way I can use sed or awk to display lines within a range of line numbers (so only show lines 50-100) |
| 01:48.42 | geo-rge | I think so |
| 01:48.50 | geo-rge | 50,100p |
| 01:48.58 | geo-rge | or something |
| 01:49.09 | exobyte | geo-rge: sed or awk? |
| 01:49.11 | geo-rge | if sed won't do that ed will |
| 01:49.37 | exobyte | time to rtfm some... |
| 01:49.41 | exobyte | thanks |
| 01:50.29 | geo-rge | you might have to be editing a file, not sure |
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| 01:56.30 | born_to_lose | hello |
| 01:56.38 | born_to_lose | why linux dont have good games? |
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| 01:58.46 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: because most game developers don't make Linux ports of their games |
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| 01:59.15 | born_to_lose | i listen say it is one good operating system but you shure the os is evoluated to can be done games in linux? |
| 01:59.21 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: though there are a few notable exceptions, including Unreal Tournament 2004 (and the upcoming 2007) and everything Quake and Doom |
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| 01:59.40 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: Linux is capable of running games, sure |
| 02:00.09 | jeffwheeler | Although few prominent games are released under Linux... who wants to run games? |
| 02:00.12 | DustyDingo | hm, is it normal, that i have two xorg process running? |
| 02:00.29 | DustyDingo | the both use the same amount of memory, but only one used cpu time |
| 02:00.31 | geo-rge | born_to_lose: unfortunately they don't evaluate that way |
| 02:01.14 | born_to_lose | well i think it is because ... maby need to wait one year to the game can be installed |
| 02:01.18 | schemelab | is there a linux tool that can invoke processes when the machine is idle and terminate them when it becomes active again? |
| 02:01.24 | born_to_lose | to complicated install |
| 02:01.43 | born_to_lose | need to do many things to do something i cant imagine they can do good games to linux |
| 02:01.46 | geo-rge | neverwinter nights has both client and server in linux |
| 02:02.00 | geo-rge | at first it was just server |
| 02:02.15 | born_to_lose | very few ... many neverwinters nights have the windows and others os like the mac |
| 02:02.21 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 02:02.41 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: If there were more demand for games in Linux, distributions would make packages to help with installing them, so it wouldn't be complicated |
| 02:02.54 | resistance | i remove apache, deleted the apache2 folder, now when i install it it doens't make the folder and config files. |
| 02:02.56 | born_to_lose | maby is to complicated to they do things of that like good games to linux |
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| 02:03.07 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: Your sentences are very difficult to understand |
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| 02:04.27 | Quintin | I am trying to download a site for wget |
| 02:04.33 | Quintin | and for some reason it is not grabbing the images... |
| 02:04.55 | resistance | how can i remake the config files and folder for apache |
| 02:05.06 | jeffwheeler | Quintin: `wget` will just grab the plain html, as far as I know |
| 02:05.14 | Wyzard | resistance: dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 02:05.14 | ice63 | wget -c your url |
| 02:05.22 | born_to_lose | wyzard if is complicated to do things on linux then the others os probbaly is more complicated to they do tey things like make the games to here |
| 02:05.22 | Wyzard | resistance: on whatever package normally provides those files |
| 02:05.27 | Heston | is it possible to turn an amd64 installation into an i386 without reinstalling? |
| 02:05.31 | Wyzard | Heston: nomasteryoda |
| 02:05.33 | Wyzard | yikes |
| 02:05.37 | Wyzard | Heston: no |
| 02:05.42 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 02:05.43 | Wyzard | hehe, runaway tab completion :-) |
| 02:05.52 | nomasteryoda | great isn't it |
| 02:06.29 | resistance | can i use apt-get? |
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| 02:06.47 | Guerin | use aptitude |
| 02:06.52 | Wyzard | resistance: Not if you need to give custom options like --force-confmiss to dpkg |
| 02:07.01 | Guerin | apt-get is so 2003 |
| 02:08.00 | SerajewelKS | is software that forbids commercial exploitation DFSG-free? |
| 02:08.21 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: don't think so |
| 02:08.22 | SerajewelKS | and if not, which criteria does it fail? |
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| 02:08.51 | Heston | it fails the free criteria |
| 02:08.57 | SerajewelKS | Heston: which one |
| 02:09.09 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: "no discrimination against persons or groups", "no discrimination against fields of endeavor" |
| 02:09.25 | mcasti | do you know what web-language use the debian site? php? jsp? |
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| 02:09.53 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: that doesn't sound like the same thing to me |
| 02:10.03 | resistance | so: dpkg -i apache2 --force-confmiss |
| 02:10.09 | resistance | should work |
| 02:10.11 | DocPlatypus | SerajewelKS: this is why xmame is in non-free |
| 02:10.18 | Wyzard | resistance: you need to give it an actual .deb file, not just a package name |
| 02:10.36 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Commercial exploitation of software would be a field of endeavor |
| 02:11.27 | SerajewelKS | i see |
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| 02:11.43 | Heston | mcasti, The bulk of the pages are normal static HTML files (i.e. not produced with something dynamic such as a CGI or a PHP script), because the web site is mirrored. |
| 02:12.07 | Wyzard | resistance: looks like the stuff in /etc/apache2 comes from the apache2.2-common package, btw |
| 02:12.17 | Wyzard | resistance: http://packages.debian.org/etch/apache2.2-common |
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| 02:13.51 | mcasti | Heston, but webs like https://db.debian.org/ i think is dinamyc |
| 02:13.55 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: that seems like a really loose interpretation to me. a group of persons might be a group of people wanting to distribute binaries without source too. |
| 02:15.12 | Heston | mcasti, first of all that's a subdomain and second, with one seearch you can tell they use cgi |
| 02:15.32 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: to me that's more to guard against "you can't use foobar if you're a member of X or Y" |
| 02:15.42 | efaistos_ | why sometimes my external hd doesnt mount directly ? |
| 02:15.44 | mcasti | ok, thanks helo |
| 02:15.51 | mcasti | i say, Heston |
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| 02:16.44 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Ask debian-legal... I agree that the wording is perfect, but I think the intention is that there may be no restriction on *use* -- neither of who may use the software, or what it may be used for |
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| 02:16.58 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: oops, wording *isn't* perfect |
| 02:17.15 | SerajewelKS | distribution isn't a use |
| 02:17.28 | born_to_lose | i bealiver if to i can have the new driver only when the sid version willl come so if someoe can make good game to linux they are more then heros LOL |
| 02:17.34 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: right, and that's why it's OK for it to be restricted (i.e. no binaries without source) |
| 02:17.35 | SerajewelKS | if it is then i can distribute binaries with no source |
| 02:17.48 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: selling isn't a use either, it's a type of distribution |
| 02:18.18 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Well, did you mean just selling copies of the software, or running the software as part of a profit-making activity? |
| 02:18.23 | SerajewelKS | ah duh |
| 02:18.23 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I assumed you meant the latter |
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| 02:18.30 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: selling. that's DFSG #1 |
| 02:18.39 | SerajewelKS | missed that one entirely. d'oh. |
| 02:18.44 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:18.58 | SerajewelKS | eh well not really |
| 02:19.05 | SerajewelKS | that only covers an aggregate distribution |
| 02:19.27 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: sure, because the DFSG is concerned mainly with what Debian can distribute |
| 02:20.32 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: If someone wrote a license that permits aggregate distribution but forbids standalone distribution, it would probably be DFSG-free, though it'd probably provoke Debian to revise the DFSG |
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| 02:21.18 | born_to_lose | unix born first then microsoft so microsoft shoud not exist the law they make kill microsoft ... |
| 02:21.26 | resistance | Wyzard: dpkg: error processing --force-confmiss (--install): |
| 02:21.31 | Guerin | born_to_lose: step away from the bong |
| 02:21.34 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: You're still not making much sense |
| 02:22.20 | eyeris | I run amd64 with a i386 chroot. Under my chroot I'm trying to get nvidia-glx to install. It wants nvidia-kernel-<version>, but since this is a chroot there is no kernel to install the module into. How do I get it to install nvidia-glx? |
| 02:23.07 | Wyzard | eyeris: You can just install the 32-bit nvidia-kernel module anyway, even though you won't actually be using it |
| 02:23.38 | Wyzard | eyeris: If it depends on a kernel, go ahead and install one |
| 02:23.41 | born_to_lose | freddommm we dont want copyrights we dont want money to so we dont live in this world lol |
| 02:24.10 | eyeris | Wyzard How do I get it to build? Won't it fail because uname is diff under the chroot from what it was when I compiled my host kernel? |
| 02:24.26 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: I *think* you're trying to troll, but you're really just blabbering like an idiot |
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| 02:25.32 | Wyzard | eyeris: module-assistant has a "-l" option which lets you specify which kernel to build against, and it only looks at the running kernel if that option isn't given |
| 02:25.47 | Wyzard | eyeris: Install some linux-headers in the chroot and give that version string to module-assistant |
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| 02:26.44 | born_to_lose | knowglegent belongs to the world is free but the food in this world is not free ... |
| 02:27.03 | Wyzard | eyeris: Alternatively, you could use equivs to make a dummy package that provides nvidia-kernel-<version> |
| 02:27.12 | mcasti | nobody can kick this bot? |
| 02:27.19 | geo-rge | the govt pays farmers to NOT grow food |
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| 02:28.06 | bulio | I have a debian server with a DVD burner in it |
| 02:28.16 | bulio | how can I burn a DVD ISO via the command line? |
| 02:28.53 | Wyzard | bulio: Take a look at the "dvd+rw-tools" package |
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| 02:29.31 | bulio | Wyzard: what command would I use? |
| 02:29.52 | born_to_lose | why you want command line if we got nero that makes everything easy? |
| 02:29.52 | Wyzard | bulio: IIRC, growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=foo.iso |
| 02:30.09 | Wyzard | born_to_lose: because people often don't install X on servers |
| 02:30.24 | bulio | born_to_lose: headless server |
| 02:31.22 | Wyzard | hmm, pango does interesting things if I try to highlight characters in TwinX's quit message in xchat |
| 02:32.12 | ameyer | unicode support tends to have issues in many cases |
| 02:32.14 | gpm | لسلام عليكم ورØمة الله وبركاته...it just doesn't highlight them all the way |
| 02:32.20 | gpm | that's a mild issue |
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| 02:32.49 | Heston | seems to be an issue on xchat aswell |
| 02:32.49 | ameyer | !lart unicode |
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| 02:32.54 | Wyzard | The characters actually change as I highlight them, it seems |
| 02:33.22 | ameyer | works in irssi in screen in xfce terminal |
| 02:33.23 | Yggdrasil | can somone gime a hand with sid repo... all i have in my apt/sources.list is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 02:33.25 | ameyer | لسلام عليكم ورØمة الله وبركاته |
| 02:33.35 | Wyzard | sure, I can copy and paste the whole thing |
| 02:33.36 | Yggdrasil | very nice |
| 02:33.42 | Wyzard | but try to highlight something in the middle |
| 02:33.43 | mcasti | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.50 | eyeris | Wyzard so my kernel headers are installed, but where do I specify the version for m-a? |
| 02:33.50 | Yggdrasil | ورØمةورØمة |
| 02:33.54 | mete_888 | لسلام عليكم ورØمة الله وبرك |
| 02:33.54 | gpm | aw we're all having fun now |
| 02:33.57 | Yggdrasil | what does it say ? |
| 02:34.06 | ameyer | works fine here |
| 02:34.09 | mcasti | xD |
| 02:34.12 | Wyzard | eyeris: "-l" and whatever version you installed the headers for |
| 02:34.14 | mete_888 | no higlight with mirc xD |
| 02:34.14 | gpm | Yggdrasil: that should be fine for a sid |
| 02:34.22 | Yggdrasil | i keep getting this then: |
| 02:34.33 | Yggdrasil | W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 02:34.41 | born_to_lose | sid is very unstablle and erros eerrros erros .... |
| 02:34.55 | Yggdrasil | yea and we could all die tomorrow |
| 02:35.05 | gpm | /msg dpkg no public key |
| 02:35.11 | Yggdrasil | its what that box is runing so i gotta fix it up |
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| 02:35.26 | Yggdrasil | its not supre unstable . |
| 02:35.32 | geo-rge | Yggdrasil: why care about a key if we can all die tomorrow? |
| 02:35.49 | eyeris | Wyzard that gives me an error saying that nvidia-kernel-source was not built successfully and tells me to check the log file, but the log file does not exist. |
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| 02:36.41 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 02:36.48 | Yggdrasil | i dont know |
| 02:36.59 | gpm | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:37.06 | Yggdrasil | yea im on it now |
| 02:37.11 | Yggdrasil | dpkg helped me |
| 02:37.12 | Wyzard | eyeris: what module-assistant command did you run? |
| 02:37.15 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 02:37.26 | Yggdrasil | i run sid on a number of things |
| 02:37.31 | born_to_lose | eyeris works to me on windows at the first whith no errors mor eeasy works at the first lol less trouble lol |
| 02:37.46 | Wyzard | !ops born_to_lose unintelligible trollishness |
| 02:37.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wyzard complains about: born_to_lose unintelligible trollishness |
| 02:37.59 | eyeris | m-a update; m-a install nvidia |
| 02:38.17 | Yggdrasil | them the ones what programmed dpkg ? |
| 02:38.20 | eyeris | ack |
| 02:38.22 | eyeris | stupid copy/paste |
| 02:38.23 | Wyzard | eyeris: You didn't use the "-l" option, so it looked at your running (64-bit) kernel and tried to build modules for that |
| 02:38.28 | geo-rge | tro lee po lee pud n n pie |
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| 02:38.38 | eyeris | m-a -l 2.6.22-2 update; m-a -l 2.6.22-2 install nvidia |
| 02:38.57 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 02:39.00 | Wyzard | eyeris: You need the whole version string, including the -686 or whatever |
| 02:39.04 | Yggdrasil | i love debian |
| 02:39.07 | born_to_lose | well lees dont need to compile nathing or do anything just click :x |
| 02:39.30 | born_to_lose | Yggdrasil you new in linux? |
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| 02:39.33 | geo-rge | did you ever run Yggdrasil? |
| 02:39.35 | Yggdrasil | no |
| 02:39.40 | Yggdrasil | no i didnt unfortunately |
| 02:39.46 | Yggdrasil | im named for the tree |
| 02:39.55 | Wyzard | gravity: thanks |
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| 02:39.58 | gravity | Wyzard: No problem |
| 02:40.00 | Yggdrasil | born_to_lose no |
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| 02:41.21 | eyeris | Wyzard so I am specifying the version of the nvidia-kernel package I installed or the version of the kernel-headers package I installed? |
| 02:41.43 | Wyzard | eyeris: the headers... you don't have a kernel-specific nvidia-kernel package yet (that's what you're trying to build) |
| 02:41.48 | gravity | That reminds me, I want to play Xenosaga tonight |
| 02:41.58 | Yggdrasil | wyzard that aswell |
| 02:42.02 | gravity | Or guitar hero |
| 02:42.07 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 02:42.18 | Yggdrasil | alot of people identify with the nick |
| 02:42.19 | eyeris | yeah, so 2.6.22-2 is the full version |
| 02:42.20 | Yggdrasil | its funny |
| 02:42.26 | Yggdrasil | ok that worked great guys thanks |
| 02:42.40 | Wyzard | gravity: I finished the first one a few weeks ago and started the second |
| 02:42.41 | Yggdrasil | my p166 with 32 mb of ram is cruising along again! |
| 02:42.55 | Yggdrasil | oh wait maybe its 65 |
| 02:42.56 | Yggdrasil | 64 |
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| 02:43.09 | Wyzard | eyeris: Debian kernels have names like "2.6.22-2-686" |
| 02:43.11 | eyeris | nv,m |
| 02:43.18 | gravity | Wyzard: Really? I'm only a few hours in. |
| 02:43.24 | eyeris | I see |
| 02:43.29 | Yggdrasil | ok bbl |
| 02:43.39 | Wyzard | gravity: It took around 50 hours total, I think |
| 02:43.54 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah... it'll take me a few months, but that's ok. I have the second waiting too |
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| 02:44.26 | Wyzard | gravity: I'd actually set it aside for about a year, thinking I was about halfway through and I'd finish it later, and when I picked it up again I discovered I was two screens away from the final battle |
| 02:44.31 | eyeris | I see the more specific version number now. But `m-a -l 2.6.22-2-486 install nvidia` gives me the same error. |
| 02:45.06 | Wyzard | eyeris: hmm... dunno about that, but just as a guess, nVidia might require something better than a 486... install some -686 headers |
| 02:45.46 | gravity | Wyzard: Oh man, that sucks |
| 02:46.00 | eyeris | no go :/ |
| 02:47.06 | Wyzard | gravity: The characters look much more realistic in the second one, btw |
| 02:47.10 | xaque | How can I install debian from a usb stick? |
| 02:47.32 | Wyzard | gravity: and thankfully, no more occasional panty shots of Momo (if you haven't encountered her yet, she's about 12 years old) |
| 02:47.50 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, those really disturbed me |
| 02:47.57 | gravity | Robot or no... ew |
| 02:48.07 | Wyzard | exactly |
| 02:48.30 | eyeris | haha, Wyzad: m-a clean; m-a purge; m-a -l 2.6.22-2-k7 a-i nvidia; works |
| 02:48.32 | eyeris | :) |
| 02:48.38 | Wyzard | gravity: Anyway, do keep playing... so far I don't think Xenosaga is quite as good as Xenogears overall, but it's still very good |
| 02:48.45 | Wyzard | eyeris: nifty |
| 02:48.57 | eyeris | Thanks for the help! |
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| 02:49.08 | gravity | Wyzard: Cool |
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| 02:52.20 | AmR|EiSa | can i have apt-get server list link plz ?? |
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| 02:53.04 | johnfg | Hey guys. |
| 02:54.17 | johnfg | I'm currently downloading http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso, but note that there are 3 dvi.isos. My question is: do I need all three? How do I tell what's what? |
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| 02:57.04 | AmR|EiSa | johnfg, u need only one and u can get other soft for the net |
| 02:58.01 | AmR|EiSa | any help plz ??? |
| 02:58.21 | Wyzard | johnfg: If you have a network connection available while installing, all you need is the netinstall CD, which is small |
| 02:58.33 | Wyzard | johnfg: Other packages can be downloaded as-needed |
| 02:58.51 | AmR|EiSa | i need link for apt servers list in debian site |
| 02:58.58 | Wyzard | johnfg: You'd only need the full CD/DVD set if you wanted to be able to install any package in Debian without need for an Internet connection |
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| 03:00.10 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 03:00.51 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: From the front page, I clicked "Getting Debian" in the column on the left, then "mirrors" near the beginning of the resulting page, and from there, "list of Debian mirrors" |
| 03:01.08 | Absolute0 | how do i start the debian installer that prompts for which groups of pkgs to install? desktop sql base... |
| 03:01.32 | Wyzard | Absolute0: That's called "tasksel", I think... it's a package that you can install and run anytime |
| 03:01.41 | Absolute0 | great thanks |
| 03:01.49 | Absolute0 | i borked up my debian install |
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| 03:01.54 | AmR|EiSa | Wyzard: thanks :) |
| 03:01.55 | Absolute0 | so i'll try to do it manually |
| 03:03.37 | AmR|EiSa | but i see page have all links like text in sources.list , did u know about this link ??? |
| 03:04.17 | Absolute0 | how do i update my /var/cache/apt/archives/ dir? |
| 03:04.18 | Wyzard | haven't seen one like that |
| 03:04.31 | Absolute0 | all the files there are "unathentic" |
| 03:04.40 | Wyzard | but it's not very difficult to put those URLs into your sources.list |
| 03:05.07 | AmR|EiSa | i don't know how i can know what i put :( |
| 03:05.18 | Wyzard | Absolute0: If you're getting warnings about packages not being authenticated, it means you need to install (or update) the debian-keyring package |
| 03:05.40 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: Look at other lines in your sources.list for examples, and/or read "man sources.list" |
| 03:05.51 | Absolute0 | Wyzard: thanks |
| 03:05.55 | Absolute0 | i'll try that |
| 03:06.29 | AmR|EiSa | Wyzard, thanks, i will try :) |
| 03:06.37 | Absolute0 | does the sql group install the actual sql server or is it some opensource one like mysql?/ |
| 03:06.54 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: oops, sorry, wrong package -- you want debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:07.21 | Wyzard | Absolute0: "SQL Server" is a Microsoft product which does not run on Linux |
| 03:07.32 | Wyzard | Absolute0: It's probably MySQL and/or PostgreSQL |
| 03:07.33 | Absolute0 | exactly |
| 03:07.44 | Absolute0 | ye its postgresql |
| 03:07.50 | Absolute0 | which is what exactly?/ |
| 03:07.58 | Absolute0 | !PostgreSQL |
| 03:07.58 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. Be sure to read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ('First steps for the impatient'). |
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| 03:08.03 | johnfg | Thanks guys. I'm getting the net cd.iso instead. At present, I've got Fedora Core 7 and, kinda because I have to, winxp. Any special caveats in making debian a third os? |
| 03:08.44 | AmR|EiSa | Wyzard, debian-archive-keyring ?! |
| 03:08.56 | Wyzard | Absolute0: It's the open-source database used by people who aren't clueless about databases :-) |
| 03:09.06 | Absolute0 | great |
| 03:09.08 | johnfg | A triple boot system (triple doesn't seem like the right word in comparing it with dual. Is there a different word?) |
| 03:09.09 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 03:09.28 | Absolute0 | triple a dual is same exact thing |
| 03:09.46 | DocPlatypus | more generically you could call it a multiple boot system |
| 03:09.49 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: Yes, that contains the GPG keys needed for apt's signature checking |
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| 03:10.28 | AmR|EiSa | i think i have it but i want know how i can put server |
| 03:10.46 | johnfg | DocPlatypus: Hey! Very smart! Takes care of anything more than dual. Why didn't I think of that! |
| 03:10.51 | mad_muppet | I just installed gcc on debian but I dont have the man pages .. where do I get them? |
| 03:10.57 | Wyzard | Absolute0: IIRC, PostgreSQL gained support for nested transactions around the time MySQL was gaining support for foreign keys that actually work |
| 03:11.05 | DocPlatypus | johnfg: because you're not as smart :-) |
| 03:11.30 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: I don't understand what you mean by "put server" |
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| 03:11.54 | Wyzard | mad_muppet: gcc-doc |
| 03:11.58 | Absolute0 | Wyzard: does anyone use postgresql today for practical programming? |
| 03:12.07 | mad_muppet | Wyzard: thanks |
| 03:12.30 | AmR|EiSa | put server in sources.list |
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| 03:12.40 | Wyzard | Absolute0: http://www.postgresql.org/ has a "featured users" link on the front page |
| 03:12.54 | d|v | n |
| 03:13.10 | Absolute0 | great i'll check it out after i get my super sexy X installed :-P |
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| 03:13.46 | d|v | anybody use checkinstall to make debian packages |
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| 03:14.12 | Wyzard | Absolute0: It's more powerful than MySQL, but less popular because it used to be non-free (IIRC) so MySQL gained popularity and became entrenched |
| 03:14.22 | Absolute0 | can i a rerun the debian iso install on a running debian system just to make sure everything i need got installed correctly? |
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| 03:14.29 | Gunner_Sr | Can I mount /srv to a different physical drive? |
| 03:14.33 | Wyzard | Gunner_Sr: sure |
| 03:14.55 | Wyzard | Gunner_Sr: Just add an entry to /etc/fstab, and move any files that you currently have there |
| 03:15.10 | Absolute0 | i was borking around with my /var/cache/apt/archives/ dir and ran into some errors during the install :) |
| 03:15.10 | Gunner_Sr | Wyzard: Ah, thanks./ |
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| 03:15.37 | d|v | anybody use checkinstall? |
| 03:15.56 | Wyzard | Absolute0: /var/cache/apt/archives is just a cache of .deb files that apt has downloaded... deleting them is harmless; apt will redownload files if it needs them |
| 03:16.22 | Wyzard | d|v: I've used it several years ago, to make packages of Uplink and Darwinia |
| 03:16.26 | bjorkimacg3 | "stdio.h: no such file or directory" |
| 03:16.27 | bjorkimacg3 | why not? |
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| 03:16.41 | dondelelcaro | !b-e bjorkimacg3 |
| 03:16.42 | dpkg | bjorkimacg3: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 03:16.42 | d|v | i'm trying to edit the files in my package |
| 03:16.42 | bjorkimacg3 | i didn't see it in /usr/include or /user/local/include |
| 03:16.52 | d|v | and i can't figure out how to get out of it |
| 03:16.54 | bjorkimacg3 | dammit all to hell! |
| 03:16.56 | d|v | once i've made the changes |
| 03:17.01 | Absolute0 | Wyzard: the problem is that i copied that dir from my laptop to there using my ipod and i guess i forgot to change permissions or something like that |
| 03:17.02 | d|v | with the --inspect command |
| 03:17.13 | dondelelcaro | bjorkimacg3: and possibly other -dev packages as well, depending on what you're building |
| 03:17.24 | AmR|EiSa | if i want all dir's(topics) with http server like http://ftp.de.debian.org how i can do it ??? |
| 03:17.32 | Wyzard | Absolute0: The permissions on /var/cache/apt/archives should be 755 and root:root |
| 03:17.59 | Absolute0 | i just did chmod -R +rwx archives/ :-P |
| 03:18.07 | bjorkimacg3 | your distro sucks, man. |
| 03:18.12 | Wyzard | Absolute0: not a good idea |
| 03:18.14 | bjorkimacg3 | i'm putting a bsd back on here. |
| 03:18.18 | Absolute0 | i just get those nasty authentication errors |
| 03:18.21 | Absolute0 | why not? |
| 03:18.27 | bjorkimacg3 | i'll be stopping by though to say hello every now and then :) |
| 03:18.28 | Absolute0 | only root can run them.. |
| 03:18.34 | Wyzard | bjorkimacg3: Debian doesn't install headers for everything by default because in most cases they're not needed |
| 03:18.36 | Absolute0 | i didnt do a+rwx |
| 03:18.47 | Wyzard | Absolute0: oh, nm, I see |
| 03:18.53 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 03:19.06 | Wyzard | Absolute0: Anyway, 755 for both the archives directory and its one subdirectory called "partial" |
| 03:19.17 | Absolute0 | right |
| 03:19.27 | Absolute0 | that partial dir was giving me the errors |
| 03:19.36 | Absolute0 | what does 755 mean? |
| 03:19.46 | bjorkimacg3 | Wyzard, debian needs a head ;) |
| 03:19.47 | Absolute0 | i am not that great with my octal :-P |
| 03:19.51 | Wyzard | Absolute0: rwxr-xr-x |
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| 03:20.08 | bjorkimacg3 | n e who... |
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| 03:20.30 | Absolute0 | ok 7 is everything and 5 5 ars different for group and other?! |
| 03:20.35 | Absolute0 | *are |
| 03:20.40 | mad_muppet | Wyzard: just did an apt-cache search for gcc-doc and it said no installation candidate .. I searched the web for debian gcc-doc and it mentions gcc-4.1-doc so I tried to apt-get install that and got the same error |
| 03:21.57 | Wyzard | mad_muppet: Looks like gcc-4.1-doc is in non-free (probably for GFDL reasons), and gcc-doc is in contrib (since it's a metapackage which depends on gcc-4.1-doc or whatever) |
| 03:22.07 | Wyzard | mad_muppet: so you need to add contrib and non-free to your sources.list |
| 03:22.44 | mad_muppet | Wyzard: thanks again |
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| 03:27.06 | mad_muppet | hmm .. added the contrib and non-free installed gcc-doc but still cant get a man entry for fopen .. |
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| 03:29.26 | grim | anyone have an suggestions for getting x working with nvidia drivers in unstable? |
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| 03:29.46 | Wyzard | mad_muppet: fopen() isn't part of GCC, it's part of glibc |
| 03:29.48 | Spiritus55 | Hey Hey! |
| 03:29.56 | Wyzard | mad_muppet: Documentation for standard system functions is in the manpages-dev package |
| 03:30.00 | Supaplex | it's fat Spiritus55! |
| 03:30.10 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 03:30.12 | Spiritus55 | It's obese Supaplex ! |
| 03:30.16 | Spiritus55 | Oh! |
| 03:30.22 | Spiritus55 | I see what you're getting at. |
| 03:30.37 | Supaplex | hehe yeah. :) |
| 03:30.41 | mad_muppet | :p this is starting to get complicated ..:D |
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| 03:31.39 | mad_muppet | Wyzard: so install the manpages-dev .. here goes .. |
| 03:32.36 | mad_muppet | thanks its all good |
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| 03:33.43 | v3nu5 | Hi i downloaded a dvd image of debian but nero recognize it as a cd |
| 03:33.55 | Supaplex | it's data |
| 03:34.10 | Supaplex | !netinst |
| 03:34.10 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 03:34.16 | Wyzard | v3nu5: There's nothing really different about a CD iso vs. a DVD iso |
| 03:34.24 | Wyzard | v3nu5: DVDs can just hold bigger isos |
| 03:34.28 | Supaplex | just more files :) |
| 03:34.41 | v3nu5 | Wyzard ok, but nero want a cdrom |
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| 03:35.15 | Wyzard | v3nu5: IIRC, one of the steps in Nero's image-burning wizard lets you pick whether to burn to a CD or to a DVD |
| 03:35.39 | Wyzard | v3nu5: though I'd be surprised if it left the CD option enabled for a file that's too big to fit on one |
| 03:35.41 | v3nu5 | Wyzard ok thanks, but i click on image or data |
| 03:36.01 | gustavo | whats the best way to secure a web server? |
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| 03:36.22 | ameyer | gustavo: don't connect the network cable?</sarcasm> |
| 03:36.38 | gustavo | :) |
| 03:36.56 | Wyzard | v3nu5: How big is the file you're trying to burn? |
| 03:37.06 | v3nu5 | 4gig |
| 03:37.09 | ameyer | however, kinda makes it useless as a "server" |
| 03:37.23 | Wyzard | v3nu5: Are you sure you actually have the whole 4GB file? |
| 03:37.35 | v3nu5 | just a second |
| 03:37.38 | Wyzard | v3nu5: and not an incomplete download or something |
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| 03:38.38 | AmR|EiSa | what is "sid" mean ??? |
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| 03:38.56 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: It's the name of the "unstable" branch of Debian |
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| 03:39.26 | AmR|EiSa | can i use that or it's bad for my system ??? |
| 03:39.54 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: It's where new packages go to have bugs found, so it breaks sometimes |
| 03:40.22 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: It's usable if you know what you're doing |
| 03:40.25 | AmR|EiSa | i see |
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| 03:40.57 | AmR|EiSa | i think i will get what i need only :) |
| 03:41.01 | Wyzard | AmR|EiSa: Many advanced Debian users run unstable on their personal systems, but it'd be a bad idea for someone who's new to Debian, or on something like a production server |
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| 03:41.55 | AmR|EiSa | I'm new in debian :) |
| 03:42.01 | Wyzard | then don't use unstable |
| 03:42.08 | Wyzard | or testing, for that matter |
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| 03:42.31 | gravity | Well, unless you don't mind the occasional broken system that you'll have to learn to fix on your own |
| 03:42.36 | gravity | Then unstable is fun! |
| 03:42.41 | Wyzard | indeed, it can be a good way to learn |
| 03:42.51 | Wyzard | because sometimes you have to learn by necessity |
| 03:42.58 | jetscreamer | unstable is like being a virgin: you can never go back no matter how much you want to |
| 03:42.59 | Wyzard | That's basically what I did |
| 03:43.18 | jetscreamer | the point is you don't want to |
| 03:43.19 | gravity | Same |
| 03:43.21 | v3nu5 | Wyzard http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ i download the first one but the file is 377meg, this is suppose to be a dvd.... |
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| 03:43.40 | Wyzard | v3nu5: Looks like your download is incomplete, then |
| 03:43.46 | v3nu5 | no |
| 03:43.57 | Wyzard | v3nu5: Nero is probably defaulting to using a CD because the file isn't big enough to require a DVD |
| 03:44.14 | v3nu5 | Wyzard no try to download the file you will see |
| 03:44.15 | jetscreamer | use wget for windows to d/l the .iso |
| 03:44.34 | Wyzard | or better yet, use the torrent |
| 03:44.45 | v3nu5 | ok |
| 03:45.00 | AmR|EiSa | any one use ntfs-config in debian ??? |
| 03:45.08 | jetscreamer | use what? |
| 03:45.12 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 03:45.17 | Wyzard | v3nu5: btw, you don't actually need the full DVDs unless you're installing on a machine without an Internet connection |
| 03:45.18 | jetscreamer | -3g? |
| 03:45.47 | Wyzard | v3nu5: You can use the netinst CD, which is much smaller and will download packages on-the-fly as needed |
| 03:45.51 | AmR|EiSa | jetscreamer, yes it's tool for ntfs-3g |
| 03:46.00 | Wyzard | v3nu5: (and what's needed is much less than the full set of packages on the DVDs) |
| 03:46.10 | v3nu5 | Wyzard i do not have internet acces at home and my distrib have 2 cd and i want the gtk, qt lib |
| 03:46.16 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:46.29 | jetscreamer | wget for windows |
| 03:46.32 | v3nu5 | Wyzard thanks torrent show 4.4g |
| 03:46.40 | jetscreamer | s/wget/torrent/ |
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| 03:46.55 | jetscreamer | hey don't save it to a fat32 partition |
| 03:47.13 | v3nu5 | this is an image |
| 03:47.30 | jetscreamer | so don't save it to a fat32 partition |
| 03:47.33 | Wyzard | v3nu5: jetscreamer has a good point -- FA32 doesn't support files bigger than 2GB |
| 03:47.36 | v3nu5 | anyway ntfs |
| 03:47.39 | v3nu5 | ok |
| 03:48.09 | v3nu5 | jetscreamer how to be sure what fs is used here, my friend do not know |
| 03:48.23 | AmR|EiSa | v3nu5, ntfs-3g is good one |
| 03:48.27 | Wyzard | v3nu5: Right-click on the drive in My Computer and open its properties window... I think it tells you there |
| 03:48.43 | Wyzard | v3nu5: Anyway, the drive that the OS is on is almost certainly NTFS |
| 03:48.53 | jetscreamer | it tells you in logical disk manager for sure |
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| 03:49.18 | jetscreamer | i see enough vfat to say 'be sure and...' |
| 03:49.24 | jetscreamer | but yeah usually it is now |
| 03:49.48 | v3nu5 | torrent is really slow way |
| 03:49.57 | jetscreamer | wget for windows |
| 03:50.02 | v3nu5 | ok |
| 03:50.08 | Wyzard | v3nu5: cdimage servers are likely to be slow too... many of them are throttled, I think |
| 03:50.29 | v3nu5 | thanks jet and wyz |
| 03:50.29 | shardz_ez | whats good about wget for win? |
| 03:50.30 | Gunner_Sr | How do I set the screen resolution during bootup? |
| 03:50.43 | jetscreamer | or, firefox seems to do a good job downloading |
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| 03:51.26 | jetscreamer | Gunner_Sr: if you mean in console, vga= ... hwinfo --framebuffer to see what it is capable of, apt-get install hwinfo |
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| 03:51.55 | Gunner_Sr | Jetscreamer: yes, that is it. |
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| 03:52.03 | kspath | jetscreamer: do you like lshw at all ? |
| 03:52.16 | Ryan52 | My computers aren't telling my router there names. How do I make them do that? |
| 03:52.24 | jetscreamer | shardz_ez: it works? |
| 03:52.32 | jetscreamer | kspath: don't know what it is |
| 03:52.51 | Wyzard | Ryan52: You need to enable the "send host-name" option in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 03:53.00 | kspath | jetscreamer: apt-cache search lshw |
| 03:53.06 | Ryan52 | thank <Wyzard> |
| 03:53.07 | Wyzard | Ryan52: dunno why that isn't on by default :-/ |
| 03:53.13 | jetscreamer | Gunner_Sr: the vga= goes on the kopt line or so in menu.lst ... it gets appended to the kernel line |
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| 03:53.23 | jetscreamer | read the comments |
| 03:53.32 | jetscreamer | edit then update-grub |
| 03:53.53 | Gunner_Sr | jetscreamer: okay, just did a hwinfo looking at it now. |
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| 03:54.44 | jetscreamer | that's /boot/grub/menu.lst btw Gunner_Sr if you didn't know |
| 03:54.58 | Gunner_Sr | jetscreamer: yep, thanks. |
| 03:56.41 | kspath | jetscreamer: lshw - information about hardware configuration |
| 03:56.42 | jetscreamer | apt-file search ntfs-config doesn't return anything btw |
| 03:56.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:57.03 | kspath | jetscreamer: it is NOT good for using with grep however |
| 03:57.26 | kspath | jetscreamer: hwinfo is much better for that |
| 03:58.33 | Gunner_Sr | I like hwinfo now, I was using lshw.. |
| 03:58.50 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 03:58.50 | dpkg | from memory, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:59.15 | kspath | I do not understand why apt-file and hwinfo are not in base |
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| 03:59.25 | ccvp | "I've come so far in my understanding of reality, and the universe, I am now certain that Science is a tool that God has given man, to explore his creation." -Stephen Hawking |
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| 04:00.03 | kspath | ccvp: random quote plugin for your irc client or bot? |
| 04:00.39 | ccvp | (kspath, please see quersahd bot 1.0 url) - I am part of the conglomerate. Automated Bot 1.0 script 3.0, with revision mods 2.3 |
| 04:01.41 | kspath | I do not understand why |
| 04:02.14 | ccvp | "GuHHH" |
| 04:02.20 | ccvp | GuHHhhhH BuHHhhHH |
| 04:02.30 | GuHHH | ;) |
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| 04:03.36 | Inc | hmmmm |
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| 04:05.10 | Selenolycus | Anyone know of any Linux LiveCDs that have native Airport Express support on x86? |
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| 04:08.16 | jetscreamer | kanotix perhaps, but their releases seem to have stopped |
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| 04:08.29 | ccvp | lol, it seems ubuntu has taken the crown for the most "microsoft'ized", or better yet, "window'ized" linux |
| 04:08.30 | jetscreamer | you could make one |
| 04:08.34 | ccvp | used to be fedora, now its ubuntu |
| 04:08.40 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 04:08.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 04:08.41 | ccvp | thats why its hte most used version now, so sad |
| 04:08.45 | ccvp | sad indeed |
| 04:08.50 | Kevin` | ccvp not linspire? |
| 04:09.05 | jeffwheeler | Isn't there a Windows-clone desktop environment? |
| 04:09.17 | jetscreamer | used to be linspiire aka lindows |
| 04:09.30 | ccvp | did that have winedoors or wine built in |
| 04:09.30 | jetscreamer | or was that xpde |
| 04:09.52 | jeffwheeler | xpde is what I was referring to, iirc |
| 04:10.09 | kspath | Xandros? |
| 04:10.17 | jetscreamer | i checked it out once, it was very windows-y |
| 04:10.27 | jetscreamer | died or something |
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| 04:11.00 | jetscreamer | i can't remember if xpde became lindows or what |
| 04:11.07 | kspath | I bought a copy of Xandros years ago when I was using libranet |
| 04:11.10 | jeffwheeler | I think Lindows just used it. |
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| 04:11.50 | ccvp | bleh |
| 04:11.53 | ccvp | real men use NetBSD |
| 04:12.02 | ccvp | fedora/debian/ubuntu are no worse then windows |
| 04:12.25 | ccvp | needing "mass society 'attention' |
| 04:12.32 | ccvp | the low laying no need for attention distros is where its at |
| 04:12.34 | jeffwheeler | ccvp: You're not going to make friends here. |
| 04:12.38 | ccvp | the ones that get the job done, and stick in the shadows. :) |
| 04:12.43 | jetscreamer | real men use the best tool for the job and don't care what other ppl think about the choice |
| 04:13.06 | jetscreamer | real wo-men also |
| 04:13.11 | jetscreamer | woe to the men |
| 04:13.25 | ccvp | [nmp3/v5.191] by nipkick (58122bytes) |
| 04:14.32 | jeffwheeler | The new GNOME 2.20 stuff I got in sid recently is beautiful; I'm loving the glossy theme with the Mist icon set. It looks great. |
| 04:14.34 | kspath | ccvp: I think I still have my NBSD 1.6 disks somewhere |
| 04:14.35 | Gunner_Sr | back later, testing console res. |
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| 04:16.50 | simonrvn | ccvp: exhibiting your issues? |
| 04:16.51 | jetscreamer | speaking of... how would one change the fb res w/o rebooting |
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| 04:17.33 | simonrvn | fbset, console |
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| 04:17.43 | jetscreamer | ah thankee |
| 04:18.20 | Gunner_Sr | jetscreamer: it worked list a charm, added the vga=791 to the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 04:18.28 | jetscreamer | yay team |
| 04:18.36 | Gunner_Sr | jetscreamer: it worked like a charm, added the vga=791 to the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 04:18.39 | Gunner_Sr | :-) |
| 04:19.31 | jetscreamer | Gunner_Sr: here's a gotcha: sometimes vga=791 doesn't work, for me... it wants hex . might be a sid gotcha, no idea.. but 0x318 works |
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| 04:19.59 | Gunner_Sr | jetscreamer: I am running etch |
| 04:20.12 | jetscreamer | well you're safe for a bit then :) |
| 04:20.36 | Gunner_Sr | :-) |
| 04:21.03 | gpm | jetscreamer: i think it's 792 |
| 04:21.10 | gpm | i'm 0x318 too |
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| 04:22.05 | jetscreamer | i don't know what corresponds to what, i never did the math... 791 works, then doesn't... same box. |
| 04:22.28 | jetscreamer | also sometimes i find that the vga= fuxors xorg |
| 04:22.42 | jetscreamer | weird, but true. |
| 04:22.59 | Gunner_Sr | interesting, I will keep that in mind |
| 04:23.26 | jetscreamer | mostly sid.. i first saw it trying ubuntu though |
| 04:23.37 | jetscreamer | the livecd |
| 04:23.49 | gpm | hmph |
| 04:23.52 | gpm | maybe hardware? |
| 04:23.58 | gpm | not fully supported i mean |
| 04:23.59 | gpm | ? |
| 04:24.23 | jetscreamer | older sis based xp2400 w/fx5200 |
| 04:24.32 | gpm | hm |
| 04:24.40 | gpm | i guess that sid can't be left with toys |
| 04:24.42 | jetscreamer | seems to depend on if it's sid/lenny/etch |
| 04:24.45 | gpm | yeah |
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| 04:26.34 | jetscreamer | could very well be the kernel come to think of it |
| 04:27.09 | gpm | that's where framebuffer lives, right? |
| 04:27.22 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 04:27.28 | gpm | you could try an older image |
| 04:27.36 | gpm | i think i've had this happen to me before too |
| 04:27.44 | gpm | but with older kernels |
| 04:27.52 | gpm | back when framebuffer-ness was "new" |
| 04:28.11 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it quit happening.. i dunno ... works fine now. |
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| 04:30.45 | jetscreamer | !dpo |
| 04:30.48 | jetscreamer | !fua |
| 04:30.50 | _uplinkd_ | what are some cool effect programs for gnome? (transparent windows and such) |
| 04:31.00 | jetscreamer | hy hd doesn't support those whatever they are |
| 04:31.02 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 04:31.02 | dpkg | well, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 04:31.07 | _uplinkd_ | thansk jetscreamer |
| 04:31.10 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 04:31.50 | jetscreamer | s/hy/my/ |
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| 04:34.50 | jetscreamer | HAH! |
| 04:34.57 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 04:35.01 | jetscreamer | it rebooted |
| 04:35.09 | jetscreamer | after i booted it w/791 |
| 04:35.17 | jetscreamer | but |
| 04:35.22 | jetscreamer | it worked w/791 |
| 04:36.38 | jetscreamer | i booted, hit e edited grub line, changed 0x318 to 791.. it worked. i edited menu.lst after it booted, and enabled gdm... it blackscreened me , hung, and decided to reboot |
| 04:36.57 | jetscreamer | blackscreened me after i rebooted rather |
| 04:37.40 | jetscreamer | it did NOT have time to start gdm it didn't get that far.. now it's booting... hmmm |
| 04:37.52 | troubled | jetscreamer: vga=791? |
| 04:38.03 | jetscreamer | that was what it puked on yes |
| 04:38.09 | jetscreamer | but atm it's working |
| 04:38.30 | troubled | jetscreamer: the console? or is it X/gdm that it choked on? |
| 04:38.38 | jetscreamer | console |
| 04:38.47 | troubled | stock kernel? |
| 04:38.57 | jetscreamer | yeah.. .22 iirc |
| 04:39.04 | troubled | lenny? |
| 04:39.29 | jetscreamer | no.. .22 is in lenny now? |
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| 04:39.34 | jetscreamer | i didn't check today |
| 04:39.40 | troubled | well .22 isnt etch |
| 04:39.46 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:40.02 | jetscreamer | works just fine with 0x318 though |
| 04:40.29 | troubled | thats the same mode isnt it? |
| 04:40.42 | jetscreamer | i thought so.. i never did the math though |
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| 04:41.12 | troubled | nm 0x317 is |
| 04:41.46 | jetscreamer | oh i guess that would be 771 |
| 04:41.49 | jetscreamer | guessed |
| 04:42.08 | troubled | so your running .22 in etch then? |
| 04:42.15 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 04:42.28 | troubled | well, that explains a bit |
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| 04:43.01 | troubled | that also means no more soup for you :) |
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| 04:43.34 | jetscreamer | this is not a problem, well not exactly... more like an interesting behavior i'm looking at |
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| 04:48.21 | bullgard4 | The command env will print all environment variables. Is there a file that contains all environment variables? |
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| 04:53.57 | jetscreamer | hmmm how would you get grub's menu to be fb'd |
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| 04:56.01 | debiantonio | bullgard4, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html ??? |
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| 04:56.38 | debiantonio | 9.9 |
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| 04:56.43 | jetscreamer | oh great |
| 04:56.51 | jetscreamer | something is pulling in mono |
| 04:56.55 | jetscreamer | eog |
| 04:57.10 | jetscreamer | yeah gtk.net oh boy! |
| 04:57.14 | DocPlatypus | eog pulls in mono now? |
| 04:57.15 | DocPlatypus | fuck |
| 04:57.33 | jetscreamer | ah no it's the tomboy |
| 04:57.37 | jetscreamer | not the eog |
| 04:57.40 | DocPlatypus | ah |
| 04:57.56 | DocPlatypus | yes tomboy uses mono... I hate mono but I can't live without tomboy |
| 04:57.58 | jetscreamer | eog is giving me libexempi2 |
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| 04:58.17 | Sterile | Is there any sort of bandwidth controller for debian? |
| 04:58.39 | jetscreamer | i've never even started tomboy, and never boot into gnome .. you might wonder why it's installed :) |
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| 04:59.14 | jetscreamer | Sterile: yes, i can't rem the names of a package, apt-cache search qos would give you a huge list probably, grep it for something |
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| 04:59.57 | Sterile | qos ? gave me nothing =/ |
| 05:00.06 | Sterile | what source? |
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| 05:00.12 | maddash | Sterile: wondershaper |
| 05:00.45 | Sterile | thanks |
| 05:00.59 | jetscreamer | bandwidth not qos |
| 05:01.03 | jetscreamer | but ignore me |
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| 05:01.45 | LordMorgoth | hey guys |
| 05:03.22 | LordMorgoth | its been almost a week for me with this problem, and i haven't left a place on google to look it up, but all my efforts went in vain. and though i already tried to find a solution here but i'm gonna try again ... |
| 05:03.27 | LordMorgoth | so the problem is |
| 05:04.15 | merus | This is odd. I'm attempting to use the netinst CD on an i386 machine and it reboots after loading initrd. People suggested noapic and nolapic, but no dice :/ |
| 05:04.33 | LordMorgoth | i use to have ubuntu on my laptop, but i want to switch to debian for many reasons (not to be mentioned) so i tried installing debian but no matter i do i just can't access the internet ! |
| 05:04.49 | LordMorgoth | i can ping all thw websites i want using ping blabla |
| 05:04.51 | merus | There's also an alternative netinst with an older version of syslinux, ostl, that has the same problem. |
| 05:05.16 | LordMorgoth | everything is configured, but i can't get firefox to load any page |
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| 05:05.42 | LordMorgoth | even apt start connecting to (1.0.0.0) :S |
| 05:06.16 | LordMorgoth | route is excellent, my ips are excellent, every darn single shit is perfect yet still i can access nothing :S |
| 05:06.18 | LordMorgoth | any idea ? |
| 05:06.57 | LordMorgoth | i even tried to put gentoo and i had same problem with emerge when trying to connect for updates |
| 05:07.09 | LordMorgoth | add to that backtrack also |
| 05:07.23 | LordMorgoth | ubuntu was the only one to get a connection |
| 05:07.29 | LordMorgoth | any hope ? |
| 05:08.53 | maddash | LordMorgoth: is that debian within arm's length? |
| 05:09.09 | LordMorgoth | maddash yea |
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| 05:09.36 | maddash | LordMorgoth: join #flood and paste the output of `ifconfig && route -n` |
| 05:09.44 | maddash | paste it in #flood, I mean |
| 05:11.30 | v3nu5 | Wyzard do you think dvd-1 contain qt-dev and gtk-dev |
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| 05:15.52 | LordMorgoth | maddash |
| 05:15.58 | LordMorgoth | http://www.pastebin.ca/707687 i pasted them |
| 05:17.58 | LordMorgoth | hello ? |
| 05:18.53 | DocPlatypus | LordMorgoth: somehow something is resolving hostnames as 1.0.0.0 |
| 05:18.59 | DocPlatypus | that's probably a DNS problem |
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| 05:19.41 | LordMorgoth | DocPlatypus well i though of that |
| 05:19.48 | LordMorgoth | DocPlatypus wat can be done ? |
| 05:20.31 | Sterile | In ifconfig, what's the relation between a <name>0 and a <name>0:0 ? |
| 05:21.12 | maddash | LordMorgoth: didn't you say you could ping? |
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| 05:22.09 | LordMorgoth | maddash oh yeah true so no dns prob |
| 05:22.11 | LordMorgoth | god |
| 05:22.59 | maddash | LordMorgoth: is there a reason to you're using ipv6? |
| 05:23.13 | LordMorgoth | im not using ipv6 |
| 05:23.29 | maddash | LordMorgoth: look at your own output. 'inet6 addr" |
| 05:23.58 | maddash | LordMorgoth: "lsmod|grep ip" |
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| 05:24.54 | LordMorgoth | its enabled |
| 05:25.06 | LordMorgoth | only enabled |
| 05:25.24 | maddash | so you don't need it? Then try blacklisting the ipv6 and rebooting |
| 05:26.04 | LordMorgoth | umm i'll do that but i doubt it'' change something. brb to try |
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| 05:28.08 | maddash | LordMorgoth: do you even know how to blacklist? |
| 05:28.46 | LordMorgoth | maddash i'll google it :$ |
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| 05:30.12 | maddash | LordMorgoth: geez, just ask here and stop wasting time |
| 05:30.33 | maddash | !blacklist |
| 05:30.34 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
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| 05:34.53 | ccvp | (breaking news)(ap/reuters) - China has just invaded Taiwan, Reuters has learned. Details Soon. |
| 05:35.03 | maddash | oh shit. |
| 05:35.33 | maddash | link? |
| 05:36.00 | ccvp | www.tard.biz - then click on international news. |
| 05:36.06 | ccvp | redirects to reuters |
| 05:36.39 | maddash | there's nothing on reuter's front pages |
| 05:37.47 | maddash | !ops ccvp |
| 05:37.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: ccvp |
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| 05:44.42 | Sterile | So bandwidth is outgoing and incomming? |
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| 05:47.35 | LordMorgoth | maddash thanks m8. im able now to use the browser =) but still the same problem with apt |
| 05:47.40 | The-Kernel | how does one change the time/date in linux? |
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| 05:47.56 | AbacusMonkey | man date |
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| 05:48.34 | Nemoder | or just run ntpdate to sync with online clocks |
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| 05:48.45 | maddash | LordMorgoth: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:49.24 | LordMorgoth | apt's still trying to connect to 1.0.0.0 |
| 05:49.32 | The-Kernel | Nemoder: no such command |
| 05:49.33 | LordMorgoth | 1 sec i'll past them |
| 05:49.55 | Nemoder | The-Kernel: you would have to apt-get install ntpdate first then |
| 05:50.20 | maddash | LordMorgoth: and while you're at it, pastbin `ifconfig && route` (without -n this time |
| 05:50.29 | The-Kernel | also, what's the best way to allow users to shutdown the system without having to go through root? |
| 05:50.45 | maddash | The-Kernel: sudo. |
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| 05:51.22 | The-Kernel | ah yes, now what is the best way to set up a user as a sudoer? just edit the sudo file? |
| 05:52.10 | maddash | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=sudo+shutdown+linux+without+root&btnG=Search |
| 05:52.32 | maddash | The-Kernel: that's actually the only way to sudo-fy a user |
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| 05:53.25 | The-Kernel | ah ok |
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| 05:54.11 | jamesrdorn | Got a quick question. I re-installed debian, and now when I go to compile things, it's basicly complaining about dependancies that have already been installed. Some times I can set an environment var, but I never had to do this before I re-installed. Is there a library or package that usually manages this? |
| 05:55.20 | LordMorgoth | maddash http://www.pastebin.ca/707706 there u go dude |
| 05:55.50 | muh2000 | i have a problem with samba and ldap /etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 37: index attribute "sambaSID" undefined http://nopaste.org/p/aO8Sqgyfx |
| 05:55.55 | nemo | The-Kernel: 'visudo' is the approved method of editing the sudo file |
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| 05:58.23 | Nemoder | jamesrdorn: make sure in addition to the runtime libraries you also have the -dev package for whatever deps you need |
| 05:59.06 | maddash | LordMorgoth: cat /etc/resolv.conf? are you sure you can ping and browse the internet? |
| 05:59.28 | jamesrdorn | Nemoder: I do, most of the time all I have to do is set a env var and it fixes this, but some times it proving to be a little more difficult than that |
| 05:59.52 | LordMorgoth | maddash yes |
| 05:59.52 | jamesrdorn | I am building GTK+ 2 right now, and hoping that it will solve some of my issues |
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| 06:00.23 | LordMorgoth | maddash resolc.conf is 100% good: nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:02.36 | maddash | LordMorgoth: last three posts: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=402380 |
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| 06:08.07 | slammer | hello all |
| 06:08.58 | slammer | is anyone talking tonight |
| 06:09.03 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 06:09.06 | slammer | lol |
| 06:09.24 | LordMorgoth | maddash how should i know the the IP address of my ISP's DSN server |
| 06:09.26 | LordMorgoth | ? |
| 06:09.46 | dondelelcaro | LordMorgoth: they generally tell you in the introductory pamphlet or via DHCP. |
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| 06:10.22 | maddash | LordMorgoth: look at your router's webpage |
| 06:10.42 | LordMorgoth | dondelelcaro i wish that man, they just gave me the modem and left,and they don't answer any calls, AND they r the only dsl provider in my country |
| 06:11.03 | LordMorgoth | hell they gave me the router without allowing me to have the username n password |
| 06:12.07 | slammer | i have one question |
| 06:12.21 | slammer | is debian the all in one distro |
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| 06:12.39 | DocPlatypus | LordMorgoth: get something that's only a DSL modem, and then set up your computer so it's doing what your ISP expects the router to do |
| 06:12.43 | DocPlatypus | if possible of course |
| 06:12.54 | dondelelcaro | slammer: I suppose it could be considered one, or at least, the closest to being one of any distribution around. |
| 06:13.03 | DocPlatypus | any router given to you by your ISP that doesn't let you do what you want it to, really belongs to your ISP, not you |
| 06:13.40 | slammer | im looking for one distro that i can use on desktop server etc just whatever the case may be |
| 06:13.51 | dondelelcaro | slammer: then yeah, it's Debian. |
| 06:14.21 | slammer | im also new to linux how much is that going to effect this decission |
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| 06:14.36 | dondelelcaro | slammer: not much if you're willing to learn |
| 06:14.42 | maddash | a crapload. use ubuntu. |
| 06:14.47 | maddash | heh. |
| 06:14.53 | slammer | i dont mind learning |
| 06:15.28 | dondelelcaro | slammer: then yeah, Debian's pretty straightforward and is actually worth learning. |
| 06:15.37 | slammer | i have read some stuff on some forums that said debian users are a little rough on new commers |
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| 06:15.47 | DocPlatypus | LordMorgoth: of course it's no big surprise to me if you have an ultrashitty ISP |
| 06:16.12 | Guerin | slammer: that's bullshit and you're a moron for even thinking it! |
| 06:16.16 | Guerin | ;) |
| 06:16.19 | dondelelcaro | slammer: depends on the people; the attitude of the newcommer (and the forum) is the most important part. |
| 06:16.33 | jamesrdorn | slammer: I donno about that, I think we have evolved from the "RTFM" days as an answer for every question asked. |
| 06:16.43 | slammer | well i figured i would come and see for myself |
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| 06:16.53 | Nemoder | I think debian's strict policy on free software tends to attract some more.. colorful users but there's still plenty of good people willing to help. |
| 06:17.20 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the main thing is so long as you're interested in learning, people here (and on debian-user@l.d.o and other places) are glad to help you do so |
| 06:17.40 | slammer | i have a few concerns with debian like which version stable etc |
| 06:17.59 | Guerin | the main thing with debian is to understand that debian users are incorrigibly lazy |
| 06:18.04 | dondelelcaro | slammer: start with stable unless there's some compelling reason not to |
| 06:18.09 | maddash | slammer: "stable" is stable, "testing" is reasonably tested, and "unstable" is psychotic. |
| 06:18.12 | Nemoder | stable is a good place to start, if you find you need newer software it's fairly trivial to upgrade later |
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| 06:18.20 | Guerin | everything goes to preventing them from having to do any work to actually use and maintain theyr systems |
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| 06:18.35 | Guerin | things need to Just Work and keep doing so with minimal intervention |
| 06:18.46 | slammer | Guerin: that sounds good to me lol |
| 06:18.52 | maddash | Guerin: is that why LordMorgoth's apt refuses to update? |
| 06:19.11 | Guerin | the same goes for #debian - make it easy for us to help you and we will. If any special effort is required by us, we're probably too lazy. |
| 06:19.19 | Guerin | maddash: because he didn't RTFM, probably. |
| 06:19.33 | maddash | Guerin: and you didn't RTFQ, probably. |
| 06:19.48 | dondelelcaro | maddash: that would require being unlazy, obviously. |
| 06:19.48 | slammer | i have been using pclinuxos for about 3 weeks and i just want something more |
| 06:19.56 | Guerin | maddash: hardly surprising, since I've been gardening and making dinner for the past several hours. |
| 06:20.00 | GarryFre | I j u s t t y p e s l o w e r w h e n i ' m f e e l i n g l a z y . |
| 06:20.03 | Guerin | maddash: and I'm too lazy to scroll up. |
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| 06:21.09 | LordMorgoth | Guerin oh RTFM ! hurray man ! u know a word and u just want to use it ? congrats ! |
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| 06:21.20 | Guerin | LordMorgoth: at least I can spell `you' |
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| 06:21.53 | slammer | is debian good for laptops |
| 06:21.58 | maddash | LordMorgoth, Guerin: chill. I was trying to make a minor point, not stir up conflict. |
| 06:22.12 | dondelelcaro | slammer: it works fine on them |
| 06:22.19 | LordMorgoth | yeah k |
| 06:22.21 | slammer | ok thanks don_inlab |
| 06:22.34 | maddash | dondelelcaro: you're in the lab? |
| 06:22.49 | dondelelcaro | maddash: no, that's my client that is |
| 06:23.01 | slammer | dondelelcaro: sorry about that got happy fingers |
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| 06:23.07 | dondelelcaro | (though actually, this machine is in my lab too) |
| 06:23.21 | maddash | slammer: pushed out any pubs yet? |
| 06:23.30 | maddash | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 06:23.49 | slammer | ? |
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| 06:24.59 | dondelelcaro | maddash: one on lupus was accepted a while ago; just sent in another one but it's still in the review process |
| 06:25.12 | dondelelcaro | (writing two others right now too) |
| 06:25.19 | dondelelcaro | well, supposed to be writing |
| 06:26.05 | dondelelcaro | read the "his dark materials" trilogy instead |
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| 06:26.46 | slammer | well thanks all i might give etch a try |
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| 06:27.21 | Nemoder | slammer: I recommend using the net-installer |
| 06:27.30 | slammer | oknem |
| 06:27.35 | slammer | ok nemo |
| 06:27.52 | maddash | slammer: try typing, "nemo<tab key>" |
| 06:28.05 | Nemoder | he did :) |
| 06:28.11 | maddash | slammer: I meant, "nemod<tab>" |
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| 06:28.16 | slammer | yada yada yada so i missed the key |
| 06:28.19 | slammer | lol |
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| 06:29.30 | maddash | damn |
| 06:29.45 | maddash | gtk2 needs to die, man |
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| 06:31.42 | marc7 | is anybody here managing a large number of hosts with keychain or ssh-agent and dsh/pdsh (what's the difference?) |
| 06:31.43 | Nyle | 1 |
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| 06:46.02 | shardz_ez | how can i see my HDD's make/model without opening up the cover? |
| 06:47.06 | jamesrdorn | dmesg |grep hd |
| 06:47.55 | jamesrdorn | in most cases, your primary hard drive will be hda |
| 06:48.08 | jamesrdorn | so you can do 'dmesg |grep hda' |
| 06:48.14 | shardz_ez | WDC WD84AA, ATA DISK drive |
| 06:48.31 | shardz_ez | maybe thats a make and not just gibberish |
| 06:48.38 | jamesrdorn | Western Digital |
| 06:48.53 | jamesrdorn | WD84AA is the model |
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| 07:01.37 | bintut | hello all.. anyone using debian etch postfix package with ldap support? is there a pre-defined or a ready to use postfix-ldap schema on debian etch postfix package? |
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| 07:12.25 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 07:12.32 | ara-fat32 | someone has a foto of deborah ian? |
| 07:12.32 | jamesrdorn | hi |
| 07:13.28 | alexbodn | i'm merging a few host's passwd and group files, in order to share /home on samba or nfs |
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| 07:15.26 | alexbodn | i've made a program to merge the group lists (passwd and group members follow), but i wonder whether chgrpping recursively might do damage, or should be done in safemode or unused volumes |
| 07:16.57 | Supaplex | safemode? don't you mean single user mode? |
| 07:17.06 | deadcat | i am having some problem with xorg in sid. its complaining about nvidia not exist. its there. |
| 07:17.13 | alexbodn | right :) |
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| 07:18.27 | alexbodn | deadcat: i don't have nvidia system at hand, but there is a command to put nvidia in xconfig |
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| 07:19.14 | alexbodn | Supaplex: any special chgrp issues? |
| 07:19.42 | Supaplex | alexbodn: no idea. I don't really get what you're trying to do |
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| 07:21.00 | alexbodn | as systems evovle, groups and users are being added, and get different uid/gid on different systems. also, not all systems have the same users and groups |
| 07:21.12 | deadcat | alexbodn: i have nvidia setup.. it works before the power outage |
| 07:21.37 | deadcat | alexbodn: and i hadnt restarted x in a while and sid's been updating quite a while lately. |
| 07:22.35 | Supaplex | alexbodn: sounds like you need ldap after it's all fixed. :) |
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| 07:23.14 | alexbodn | i am building an union of /etc/passwd and /etc/group, with same uids and gids. later, those files from /home will move on a shared export, and passwd+group will move to ldap |
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| 07:25.54 | Supaplex | alexbodn: ok. I don't see any imminent issues so far. |
| 07:26.24 | alexbodn | deadcat: first, ensure you have booted an nvidia kernel, then you might well need to run that nvidia xconf related file, and if i remember well, i have also had to build a lib/executable as root somewhere. search google following messages :) |
| 07:27.19 | Supaplex | and/or bts |
| 07:27.38 | alexbodn | Supaplex: thanks, i was afraid of running programs keeping some uid/gid in memory |
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| 07:28.14 | cahoot | deadcat, stumled on this issue re nvidia? http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/ |
| 07:28.44 | Supaplex | alexbodn: how many users are we talking about? how many systems? |
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| 07:29.23 | alexbodn | 5 systems with about 6 mixed users |
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| 07:30.12 | Supaplex | ahh ok. ldap might be overkill, but meh. |
| 07:30.38 | marc7 | Supaplex: yeah, it is. but hey, it's pretty cool at the same time |
| 07:31.07 | Supaplex | yup :) |
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| 07:31.52 | marc7 | i managed to grab the openssh sources the other day, compile in LDAP Public/Private Key Support into them, and roll them back into a package I've distributed across the servers in my datacenter |
| 07:31.56 | marc7 | that was badass |
| 07:31.58 | alexbodn | i should chroot for [user|group][add|mod] and chgrp in the unused mounts |
| 07:32.23 | marc7 | now all I have to do is update the directory with the new LPK, and I immediately have access to all the servers with the new key |
| 07:32.44 | marc7 | i also have qmail/dns configuration being fed from my directory |
| 07:32.51 | alexbodn | i aggree with both of you. i think i might use a slower but safer ldap over sql |
| 07:32.58 | Supaplex | marc7: servers can have keys of other servers to, so if you login on A, your users can login to B w/o prompts. |
| 07:34.08 | marc7 | Supaplex: er, yes, i think. i mean i'm certain that's possible, just not how I have it configured :) |
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| 07:34.11 | Supaplex | you can even toss in the known hosts at the system level so users have less to rely on |
| 07:34.31 | marc7 | now see I haven't done that yet, and it's something I really should. |
| 07:34.37 | jamesrdorn | sleepy |
| 07:34.48 | Supaplex | !caffinate jamesrdorn |
| 07:34.50 | jamesrdorn | building something so simple and small, but taking forever |
| 07:35.02 | jamesrdorn | ffmpeg |
| 07:36.59 | Supaplex | jamesrdorn: did you stroll in from #gentoo? ;) |
| 07:38.10 | jamesrdorn | =) |
| 07:38.14 | jamesrdorn | finally finished building |
| 07:38.34 | marc7 | -funroll-loops ftw! |
| 07:39.00 | Supaplex | marc7: do you really know what that does? |
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| 07:39.39 | marc7 | no, i am talking about the now-defunct website that picked up the best quotes from the gentoo forums. eg: "I essentially started using Gentoo because my ....ing KDE clock would never show the right time in Red Hat." |
| 07:39.56 | jamesrdorn | LMFAO |
| 07:40.06 | marc7 | something related to james: "Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!" |
| 07:40.19 | Supaplex | haha |
| 07:40.45 | Tallu | haha, priceless |
| 07:41.54 | marc7 | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://funroll-loops.org |
| 07:42.02 | marc7 | if you want to waste time |
| 07:42.21 | Supaplex | I think I'll pass for now. |
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| 07:49.13 | graytron | every once in a while my etch's DRI stops working with a message like "(II) MGA(0): [drm] drmSetBusid fa5C5Ciled (8, pci:0000:01:00.0), Permission denied" in Xorg.0.log. anyone had a similar problem? gfx card Matrox Millennium G550 |
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| 07:50.35 | graytron | how to see what gcc version was used to build xorg packages? |
| 07:50.54 | cahoot | graytron, Xorg.0.log at the top |
| 07:51.36 | cahoot | err |
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| 07:52.43 | graytron | cahoot: hmm nope |
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| 08:02.40 | exobyte | how do I do a redirect the output of a command from within a command line shell script loop? |
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| 08:06.51 | Supaplex | exobyte: for a in 1 2 3 ; do echo $a > /tmp.$a ; done |
| 08:07.49 | exobyte | Supaplex: ahhh |
| 08:08.06 | marc7 | does anybody have any bright ideas for audit logging administration tasks on a cluster of servers? |
| 08:08.22 | exobyte | Supaplex: so why is tmp.$a ok, but $a.tmp is an ambiguous redirect |
| 08:08.32 | marc7 | the obvious suggestion is sudo |
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| 08:09.01 | valdyn | exobyte: why would it be ambigous? |
| 08:09.10 | Supaplex | ${a}.tmp ? |
| 08:09.16 | marc7 | and so I'm thinking of creating an 'sdsh' alias, which will use 'sudo' to invoke the 'dsh' (distributed shell) command to manage multiple hosts |
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| 08:09.36 | marc7 | but typing in passwords all the time to sudo is a pain |
| 08:10.00 | valdyn | marc7: man sudo, / NOPASSWD |
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| 08:10.39 | valdyn | ops, its 'man sudoers' |
| 08:10.42 | marc7 | pattern not found, but i'll keep looking on that thread |
| 08:10.54 | exobyte | Supaplex: uhh... I need to look up what {} means in a shell script |
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| 08:11.53 | valdyn | exobyte: . is a wildcard... |
| 08:11.59 | Guerin | exobyte: has varied meanings |
| 08:12.14 | Guerin | usually a glob parameter |
| 08:13.38 | valdyn | exobyte: "$a.tmp" should work i guess |
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| 08:14.43 | exobyte | Supaplex: thanks for the pointer |
| 08:14.48 | Supaplex | exobyte: $a == ${a} |
| 08:14.54 | H4z3 | Gah, i just upgraded to lenny and my fonts are b0rked |
| 08:14.54 | Supaplex | exobyte: $foo == ${foo} |
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| 08:15.26 | Supaplex | H4z3: welcome to testing :) which fonts and in what way? |
| 08:15.29 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 08:15.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:15.42 | H4z3 | lol! |
| 08:16.21 | H4z3 | Supaplex: i have sans pixel size 12 and im using openbox, now they have gone really small and i can't change them |
| 08:16.50 | DocPlatypus | yeah, that's pretty much the standard definition of "b0rked" fonts |
| 08:16.52 | cahoot | wrong dpi? |
| 08:17.22 | valdyn | H4z3: xdpyinfo will show display specs |
| 08:17.31 | valdyn | H4z3: xrandr can set dpi on the fly |
| 08:18.17 | valdyn | H4z3: might want to use a ruler to get your physical display specs.. |
| 08:18.58 | valdyn | H4z3: fonts sizes are NOT pixels |
| 08:19.24 | H4z3 | valdyn: ok thanks ill look through the spec |
| 08:19.26 | Supaplex | neah neah, my pixels are better than yours. ;) |
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| 08:20.09 | valdyn | H4z3: 1 dot is one specific physical size ( dont remember what exactly.. ) |
| 08:20.19 | dutchfish | xfonts-100dpi? |
| 08:20.34 | valdyn | uh, nowadays most people use truetype fonts |
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| 08:21.57 | valdyn | dutchfish: those are legacy, gnome,kde,mozilla etc all default all are set to use truetype fonts by default/normally |
| 08:22.04 | cahoot | dutchfish, well a 100dpi font would be rather huge |
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| 08:22.32 | valdyn | hmm? 100 dpi displays arent that rare |
| 08:22.36 | valdyn | even 120 dpi displays |
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| 08:23.36 | fredl | so... I'm curious for an opinion. I am setting up a media system, it's hooked up to my 42" LCD, surround speaker set etc. |
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| 08:24.20 | fredl | I have had Debian installs for years, but at some point changed to Ubuntu because I found the desktop to be better supported. |
| 08:24.47 | fredl | However, I've found that #ubuntu has become, well, less than usefull. |
| 08:24.57 | valdyn | or always was |
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| 08:25.02 | valdyn | heh |
| 08:25.08 | fredl | so now I'm wondering if I should try to install Debian on my media PC. |
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| 08:25.52 | fredl | valdyn, I don't think it always was. I know I'm going to get at least *some* of that here, but please try to stick to the minimum okay? :) |
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| 08:26.03 | Supaplex | fredl: I think you only need a gameboy. send the left over gear to me. ;) |
| 08:26.30 | dutchfish | !gameboy |
| 08:26.30 | dpkg | i guess gameboy is a old portable gaming system recently renewed by NINTENDO is come is a couple flavors OLD SHOOL the big chunky one, POCKET the newer smaller version, COLOR, pocket only with color, it runs on a zilog80 chip at 8mhz with 256k ram, no Linux port is avable at this time, DemENtoR: has overclocked his gameboy to 12mhz and put a cooler on it, and added a adaper for 9v bateries(it runs 5days strait) |
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| 08:27.12 | alexbodn | bye friends |
| 08:27.16 | Supaplex | !factinfo gameboy |
| 08:27.16 | dpkg | gameboy -- created by DemENtoR <dementor@usr11-055.provide.net> at Fri Jan 21 19:28:35 2000 (2801 days); it has been requested 17 times, last by dutchfish, 46s ago. |
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| 08:27.31 | Supaplex | y2k fact. nice. |
| 08:28.06 | valdyn | dpkg: gameboy =~ s/SHOOL/SCHOOL/ |
| 08:28.06 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 08:28.15 | fredl | So, this media PC also needs to be operated by my wife and kids even.... |
| 08:28.41 | fredl | and I've always found the ease of use of Ubuntu much better for that purpose than Debian. |
| 08:28.56 | dutchfish | fredl, what about geexbox as a livecd? |
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| 08:29.16 | valdyn | fredl: debian has the same software. It's just has different defaults. That makes it harder to admin in a sense, not harder to use |
| 08:29.26 | fredl | I have not used Debian for quite some time however so I'm curious how it has improved |
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| 08:29.40 | Supaplex | fredl: so install a sensible set of software. what's to do? |
| 08:30.10 | fredl | valdyn - well I used to use Debian unstable because of it's up-to-dateness |
| 08:30.16 | Supaplex | you're asking very vague and wide standing questions. of course it's improved. get specific if you want better answers. |
| 08:30.27 | fredl | for media PC's I think that would be a rather desirable feature. |
| 08:30.44 | valdyn | fredl: no way |
| 08:31.03 | Supaplex | !sns syndrome |
| 08:31.03 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 08:31.11 | Supaplex | it's stable because it's tried and true. |
| 08:31.20 | fredl | Supaplex - you are correct, I'm used to asking questions on #ubuntu so you need to be specific :P |
| 08:31.23 | valdyn | fredl: for all i know media pcs have a very limited application, do very few specific things |
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| 08:31.26 | dalias | there are lots of legit reasons for _needing_ unstable |
| 08:31.30 | valdyn | fredl: dont even need a real keyboard |
| 08:31.34 | dalias | like m17n support |
| 08:31.38 | Supaplex | fredl: me? or you? am I not specific enough? |
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| 08:31.57 | dalias | until etch, debian stable was shipping pango 1.12, which has major problems for some langs |
| 08:32.07 | fredl | valdyn - me. Excuse the wide standing line of questioning :) |
| 08:33.20 | fredl | dalias - well I do remember that from the past when I did mostly development. It was one of the major reasons I switched to Ubuntu, because unstable has way too long a release cycle, testing is acceptable, but unstable is well, too unstable. |
| 08:33.29 | valdyn | fredl: they're also supposed to be rather static, few maintainance, just work |
| 08:33.58 | Supaplex | unstable has no release cycle. it's always newer than testing. |
| 08:34.15 | dalias | i havent had any serious problems using unstable |
| 08:34.16 | fredl | valdyn - what version realplayer works on Debian stable for example. That's quite relevant for a media PC, right? |
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| 08:34.40 | Supaplex | is realplayer a debian package? :P |
| 08:34.45 | valdyn | !info realplayer etch |
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| 08:34.58 | Supaplex | non-free at that... |
| 08:35.11 | fredl | I wouldn't think so, and that's a bit of another issue for a media PC on Debian |
| 08:35.15 | fredl | brb |
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| 08:35.44 | valdyn | fredl: we don't know what you realy mean with media player. I myself never needed realplayer in the last few years |
| 08:35.48 | Supaplex | that's not limited to debian |
| 08:36.06 | valdyn | dpkg is so slow =/ |
| 08:36.07 | Supaplex | mplayer does prett much anything I need. |
| 08:36.11 | Supaplex | !ping |
| 08:36.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:36.21 | valdyn | !info realplayer etch |
| 08:36.27 | Supaplex | check your pm |
| 08:36.33 | valdyn | ah, its not there |
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| 08:37.14 | Supaplex | !+info realplayer |
| 08:37.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 08:37.59 | Supaplex | yea, tiz a bit slow... |
| 08:38.11 | dpkg | Package 'realplayer' does not exist. |
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| 08:38.27 | fredl | you haven't needed realplayer?! |
| 08:38.33 | Supaplex | no |
| 08:38.35 | Supaplex | !mplayer |
| 08:38.36 | dpkg | mplayer is probably in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 08:38.41 | fredl | does mplayer play realplayer contents? |
| 08:38.48 | fredl | yeah I'm aware of mplayer. |
| 08:38.52 | Supaplex | install it, try it, and find out |
| 08:39.03 | Supaplex | I have no idea myself. |
| 08:39.05 | fredl | not that it plays realmedia though. |
| 08:39.33 | fredl | Hmm |
| 08:39.35 | valdyn | fredl: mplayer plays about everything except intentionally out of spec microsoft based things |
| 08:39.42 | valdyn | fredl: at least that is what i found lately |
| 08:39.59 | dutchfish | !vlc |
| 08:39.59 | dpkg | methinks vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 08:40.10 | fredl | yeah it does play a lot and has one hell of a lot of features too |
| 08:41.18 | fredl | ok let me ask it very specifically then, does anybody have a PC that's set up purely and entirely to act as media server, playing movies, playing audio, recording TV, supporting remote control, etc. |
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| 08:41.47 | dutchfish | i curently use geexbox because for the very well supported HD tv |
| 08:42.11 | fredl | dutchfish - interesting. how is it supported better than on other distros? |
| 08:42.23 | Supaplex | for cool. mkfs.ntfs |
| 08:42.40 | dutchfish | fredl, it has a nice configuration ie geexbox generator |
| 08:43.16 | dutchfish | fredl, but for the die hards i sugest debian etch/lenny |
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| 08:43.53 | fredl | etch is unstable? |
| 08:44.01 | dutchfish | no |
| 08:44.06 | garo | sid is unstable |
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| 08:44.11 | garo | lenny is testing |
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| 08:44.15 | garo | etch is stable |
| 08:44.17 | fredl | ok |
| 08:44.21 | fredl | hmm |
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| 08:44.54 | fredl | I'll see if I can find a sid iso somewhere and give it a try with geexbox. |
| 08:45.17 | garo | you do not want sid, you may think you want it, but you actually want lenny or etch |
| 08:45.19 | fredl | dutchfish - how does geexbox compare to mythtv? |
| 08:45.35 | Element14 | anybody knows why LC_CTYPE in a fresh etch install is en_US.UTF-8 even though i can't find anything that refers to en_US.UTF-8 in /etc ? |
| 08:45.51 | dutchfish | fredl, it can run mythtv too if you do harddisk install, but i like it for the nice HD options |
| 08:46.21 | fredl | garo - please explain. remember that I have used unstable for years and know that it means, well, that it's really unstable sometimes.... |
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| 08:47.27 | dutchfish | Element14, locales installed? |
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| 08:48.19 | Element14 | dutchfish: yes |
| 08:48.22 | garo | Why don't you just use testing and if it doesn't contain a package you need, take that from sid ? |
| 08:48.37 | Supaplex | fredl: if you really want sid, consider a chroot install |
| 08:48.40 | dutchfish | Element14, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:48.54 | Element14 | dutchfish: i've set it to "no default locale" already |
| 08:48.58 | Supaplex | backports and/or testing is usually a better option |
| 08:49.05 | garo | idd |
| 08:49.20 | fredl | garo - I have bad experiences with things like that. |
| 08:49.40 | fredl | but testing may indeed be a better option than unstable. |
| 08:49.42 | fredl | agreed. |
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| 08:49.45 | dutchfish | Element14, then you get the default kernel locale, this might not be what you want |
| 08:50.08 | Kartoffelsalat | where can i find gpg/pgp plugin for pidgin? in debian lenny sources i only found a litte RSA encryption |
| 08:50.21 | Element14 | dutchfish: running "locale" gives "POSIX" for everything except LC_CTYPE... |
| 08:50.53 | dutchfish | Element14, wich version of debian, wich kernel? |
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| 08:51.33 | Element14 | etch, 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 08:51.52 | dutchfish | Element14, then its your kernel thats buggering you |
| 08:52.06 | Element14 | or....... um..... do i need a reboot? |
| 08:52.10 | valdyn | umm, locales have NOTHING to do with the kernel |
| 08:52.14 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 08:52.15 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 08:52.23 | dutchfish | Element14, etch latest should be 2.6.18-5 |
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| 08:53.24 | Element14 | dutchfish: i installed a new one coz the ones in etch doesn't support the (s?)ata controller (sth like that) |
| 08:53.41 | dutchfish | Element14, dpkg-reconfigure locales and pick your locale then |
| 08:53.55 | Element14 | i told u i've done that... |
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| 08:54.14 | Element14 | [maybe i really need a reboot or sth like htat.....] |
| 08:54.34 | dutchfish | Element14, shouldnt be neccesary unless you have updated your kernel |
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| 08:57.02 | jelly-home | Element14: or at least a log off / login |
| 08:57.24 | dutchfish | Element14, what does cat /etc/locale.gen tells you? |
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| 08:57.50 | Element14 | jelly-home: done that. :-/ |
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| 08:59.00 | Kartoffelsalat | no one uses pidgin/gaim with gpg/pgp? |
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| 08:59.16 | Element14 | oh well perhaps i'll try to figure it out myself |
| 08:59.25 | Element14 | thanks all for the help |
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| 09:00.51 | sobersabre | hi. I got a nice f*ckup with initramfs. now the system falls out into ramfs shell. |
| 09:01.05 | sobersabre | I need to boot the system. |
| 09:01.21 | sobersabre | ASAP |
| 09:01.53 | sobersabre | how can I determine what caused it to fail ? |
| 09:03.30 | sobersabre | I looked at initramfs.debug |
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| 09:05.06 | dutchfish | maybe you can look at the output from dmesg? |
| 09:06.00 | sobersabre | I am not familiar with all this mode of operation, and my server is not near me now. |
| 09:06.05 | dutchfish | what was your last action on the system? did you install/upgrade something (kernel)? |
| 09:06.23 | sobersabre | dutchfish: yes, I dist-upgraded my kernel to the latest etch'es |
| 09:06.35 | dutchfish | sobersabre, from sarge? |
| 09:06.38 | sobersabre | what have I missed ? |
| 09:06.44 | sobersabre | no, from etch |
| 09:06.55 | wietz0r | What package supplies gzcat ? |
| 09:06.58 | sobersabre | it's SATA system, but / disk is hda |
| 09:07.19 | sobersabre | dutchfish: what do you think I've missed by dist-upgrade ?! |
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| 09:07.42 | sobersabre | should I have grub-update or something ? |
| 09:08.06 | sobersabre | and ... the thing is that I cannot boot into the previous configuration. |
| 09:08.35 | dutchfish | sobersabre, i have no clue yet, but i suspect sata driver, or mising /lib/modules/'uname -r' dir and a depmod problem |
| 09:09.53 | sobersabre | so, basically I need to boot maybe with the CD, and chroot into the system and run depmod ? |
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| 09:10.26 | dutchfish | sobersabre, is /lib/modules/'uname -r' there? |
| 09:10.36 | sobersabre | I don't know yet. |
| 09:10.52 | sobersabre | assuming there is... ? and if there's none ? |
| 09:10.54 | dutchfish | sobersabre, if its not recreate it and run depmod |
| 09:11.34 | dutchfish | sobersabre, did you get the latest 2.6.18-5 or 2.6.18-4? |
| 09:11.46 | sobersabre | 2.6.18-5 |
| 09:12.04 | dutchfish | sobersabre, yes, i ran into simalir problems with it |
| 09:12.21 | sobersabre | oh fsck it. |
| 09:12.45 | sobersabre | I thought maybe something in the hardware could also fail, which made me ... tremmmmmble. |
| 09:12.48 | dutchfish | sobersabre, but most machines did fine only a few had this with weird configs |
| 09:13.06 | sobersabre | I have XFS based RAID5 system. |
| 09:13.26 | dutchfish | sobersabre, i dont want you to force to any conclusion yet, check and double check before doing anyhting |
| 09:13.36 | sobersabre | aye sir. |
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| 09:13.38 | sobersabre | :) |
| 09:14.27 | dutchfish | check all your logs first, specially the one when you upgraded |
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| 09:14.58 | dutchfish | but it could be as simple as a depmod problem |
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| 09:15.35 | sobersabre | the frightening thing was when "Rescue mode" didn't succeed. |
| 09:15.36 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 09:15.41 | sobersabre | going to check it up. |
| 09:15.46 | wols | if there is no /lib/modules/ directory it's not that simple :) |
| 09:16.00 | dutchfish | wols, sure |
| 09:16.21 | sobersabre | wols: I will then chroot via the DVD, and see if I can do anything. |
| 09:16.25 | dutchfish | sobersabre, this isnt a xen machine is it? |
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| 09:16.49 | sobersabre | no it isn't ( unless someone did it xen machine without me noticing it ;-) ) |
| 09:17.09 | sobersabre | ok, I'm away |
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| 09:23.10 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 09:23.41 | fredl | Well. |
| 09:24.05 | fredl | I've decided I'll figure out this LVM and install both Ubuntu and Debian testing |
| 09:24.15 | Nazcafan | I am getting rid of my printer, but I would still like to export to pdf. What can I safelly uninstall ? |
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| 09:27.14 | sobersabre | hm. back |
| 09:27.27 | sobersabre | it writes me: |
| 09:27.36 | sobersabre | Begin: Waiting for root file system ... ... |
| 09:27.38 | sobersabre | and gets stuck |
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| 09:28.03 | sobersabre | there is 2.6.18-5 folder. |
| 09:28.12 | sobersabre | I will be back in 30 minutes. |
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| 09:29.48 | OSCAR_ACOSTA | hi |
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| 09:37.21 | dutchfish | anyone knows how stable is lustre in debian atm? will it be in lenny? |
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| 09:39.34 | sineETCH | whats the difference between init.d and xinet.d |
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| 09:40.31 | dutchfish | !init.d |
| 09:40.31 | dpkg | methinks init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README |
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| 09:41.00 | sineETCH | !xinit.d |
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| 09:41.14 | cahoot | mixing up inetd and xinetd? |
| 09:41.20 | sineETCH | !xinet.d |
| 09:41.25 | sineETCH | hmm im not sure thing is |
| 09:42.17 | sineETCH | when i was running gentoox on my xbox and had glftpd on there i used to have to restart the networking with xinet.d i *think* now i have debian on my laptop and im trying to learn my linux i just wondered what the difference was |
| 09:42.45 | valdyn | sineETCH: init and inetd are not related '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 09:42.48 | dutchfish | or, anyone already did some testing with it: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lustre.html |
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| 09:43.43 | sineETCH | yes i got that one ok thanks i dont know why i got them confused |
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| 09:43.47 | marcos | hi folks; I just want to know about a list opf packages for each CD, i could not found such a list on debian.org |
| 09:43.56 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 09:43.56 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 09:44.41 | Jaggz- | I got a debian dvd iso and was installing from it and it errored saying it couldn't read a file |
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| 09:45.08 | Crystal | giorno a tutti |
| 09:45.42 | Jaggz- | now I was doing a net install, mounting the .iso on this system and accessing it as a debian mirror from the system on which I'm installing debian |
| 09:45.48 | Jaggz- | and it locked up when transferring file 8 |
| 09:45.52 | Jaggz- | just sat there |
| 09:46.16 | marcos | Thanks |
| 09:46.19 | Jaggz- | my md5 on the dvd-1.iso checks out |
| 09:46.27 | dutchfish | Jaggz-, did you try mounting the iso file instead of the dvd? |
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| 09:46.52 | Jaggz- | yeah, I mounted the iso and then set it up as /debian/ via a webserver on this computer |
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| 09:47.20 | Jaggz- | figuring maybe something was wrong with the dvd. I burned the dvd twice (although the second time it failed at 85% for some reason.. rather, nero just sat there) |
| 09:47.20 | dutchfish | Jaggz-, etch? |
| 09:47.30 | Jaggz- | 40r1 is etch I believe.. so yeah |
| 09:48.21 | Jaggz- | all sorts of problems installing debian. For security I'm trying to do it via local install instead of over the internet |
| 09:48.26 | Element14 | dutchfish: the answer: somehow ssh carries over the locale variables over to the new shell unless explicitly overridden :( |
| 09:48.31 | Jaggz- | I'm disconnecting from the internet while I'm installing |
| 09:48.55 | dutchfish | Element14, ouch, didnt know that |
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| 09:49.52 | Jaggz- | ssh can also set the remote's DISPLAY variable |
| 09:50.03 | masus | hi, we have two inet connections , how to route or preroute one port to the second inet connection with iptables, thanks. |
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| 09:50.40 | Jaggz- | okay, so my first two md5 checksums (iso 1 and 2) check out.. and the third .dvd was never completed so I'm wget -c'ing it now |
| 09:50.47 | dutchfish | masus, firestarter? |
| 09:51.01 | masus | firestarter ? |
| 09:51.03 | masus | :) |
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| 09:51.16 | masus | have no idea , can u explain a little |
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| 09:52.21 | dutchfish | masus, if you not an iptables guru apt-cache show firestarter |
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| 09:53.11 | dutchfish | masus, there are others as well |
| 09:53.20 | pratique | hello everyone, i have this problem: my tahoma font is displaying as bold in every application, for an unknown reason probably linked to an update i did about three weeks ago |
| 09:53.54 | pratique | in every gtk2 application |
| 09:54.21 | masus | ok i'll try |
| 09:54.23 | masus | thanks |
| 09:54.24 | dutchfish | masus, or this: http://www.howtoforge.com/nat_iptables |
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| 09:56.49 | internat85 | stupid question, is there a way to make the default remote desktop vnc thing in Gnome not prompt the user to accept the connection? |
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| 10:04.48 | dpkg | [qotd137] <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
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| 10:05.02 | sobersabre | hmm. I am back. |
| 10:05.03 | liable | heh, thats a good'un |
| 10:05.39 | Nazcafan | I uninstalled my parallel port laser printer from cups, however, ppdev and lp_part modules keep being loaded on startup |
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| 10:06.00 | valdyn | Nazcafan: that's a problem why? |
| 10:06.18 | Nazcafan | valdyn: why should I load unnecessary modules |
| 10:06.20 | Nazcafan | ? |
| 10:06.30 | Nazcafan | I don't think I will ever user the parallel port again |
| 10:06.30 | valdyn | Nazcafan: why care? |
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| 10:06.51 | Nazcafan | valdyn: I like keeping things clean |
| 10:07.00 | sineETCH | i miss lucida console :-{ |
| 10:07.19 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 10:07.20 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
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| 10:07.32 | valdyn | Nazcafan: ^^ that's not exactly clean, its messy |
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| 10:08.34 | liable | valdyn: where did you read about that for blacklist? i noticed you changed the factoid a while back |
| 10:08.44 | Nazcafan | valdyn: the thing is that the parallel port printer driver should not be loaded on startup since there is no automatic detection on the parallel port |
| 10:08.50 | valdyn | liable: read what? |
| 10:08.53 | liable | i was always under the impression you just needed to add the module name |
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| 10:09.05 | liable | valdyn: "install module_name /bin/true" |
| 10:09.43 | liable | valdyn: was it you that changed that bit? |
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| 10:09.53 | valdyn | liable: that blacklist is only for specific methods to load the module |
| 10:10.06 | valdyn | liable: the "install module_name /bin/true is a catchall thing |
| 10:10.11 | valdyn | liable: i didn't add that.. |
| 10:10.14 | sineETCH | whats the point of the various different shells like bash and err the others |
| 10:10.27 | valdyn | sineETCH: they're different |
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| 10:10.36 | liable | valdyn: oh, i just noticed it was changed and you were the last to modify the factoid |
| 10:10.39 | valdyn | sineETCH: use whatever you prefer or default |
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| 10:11.08 | sineETCH | i mean im using default but can you change the colours, what difference to a newb would it make, not much huh |
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| 10:11.41 | valdyn | sineETCH: bash is just the de facto standard, other shells have different qualities and issues |
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| 10:11.56 | sineETCH | can you change the colours in bash |
| 10:12.00 | valdyn | sineETCH: sure |
| 10:12.06 | robboplus_ | how can you tell a mac address of a remote host? |
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| 10:12.09 | sineETCH | i cant see any options but it hought there might be like a command line command |
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| 10:12.18 | sineETCH | man bash i spose huh |
| 10:12.35 | valdyn | sineETCH: bash supports color. Outputting color codes is what programs do |
| 10:12.37 | robboplus_ | sineETCH try #bash |
| 10:12.54 | liable | wear your flameproof suit :) |
| 10:13.06 | robboplus_ | lol liable |
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| 10:13.37 | valdyn | sineETCH: however each color might look has nothing to do with bash, that's the terminal |
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| 10:14.03 | sineETCH | ahh k |
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| 10:15.22 | valdyn | sineETCH: don't you use some terminal like gnome-terminal or konsole? |
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| 10:15.33 | yang | Can i keep both lenny and sid lines if i want to backport a package from sid->lenny ? |
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| 10:15.36 | yang | deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 10:15.39 | yang | deb-src http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 10:16.29 | valdyn | yang: sure |
| 10:17.37 | yang | valdyn: do you know how i could change these lines to use them with aptitude -> apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename |
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| 10:19.27 | valdyn | yang: no idea, don't think that aptitude supports this |
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| 10:19.37 | yang | ok |
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| 10:21.38 | wirefire | hi what is the general procedure after doing a kernel upgrade with regards to broken tools. Is it just a matter or reinstalling stuff that does not work or ? |
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| 10:22.16 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 10:22.16 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
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| 10:24.30 | internat85 | so im having some issues trying to get the fm radio thats built into my dtv card, to work.. i have no /dev/radio* devices.. |
| 10:24.36 | internat85 | any ideas where to start looking if there is support for it, and how i go about configuring it |
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| 10:27.16 | fredl | This is interesting... I just downloaded debian-testing-i386-CD-25.iso, checked the md5 sum, burnt the CD, checked the md5sum of /dev/cdrom, but my PC won't boot from it. |
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| 10:27.31 | internat85 | is ur pc set to boot from cdrom? |
| 10:27.39 | fredl | yeah |
| 10:27.59 | fredl | well I'm actually still md5sum'ing /dev/cdrom so hang on |
| 10:28.13 | fredl | better make sure first. |
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| 10:29.00 | my007ms | hello debian support netra server ? |
| 10:29.05 | fredl | I tried geexbox earlier.... |
| 10:29.35 | sepski | my007ms, debian uses the linux kernel. it will support exactly the same hardware as the linux kernel does |
| 10:29.52 | fredl | yup. /dev/cdrom checks out fine too. |
| 10:30.15 | fredl | so my PC boots from other CD's but not from debian-testing-i386-CD-25.iso |
| 10:30.34 | fredl | could it be that the iso itself is broken because it's automatically generated (I think) |
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| 10:30.53 | fredl | I've taken it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 10:33.00 | fredl | this is stupid. |
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| 10:35.21 | sepski | debian-testing-i386-CD-25.iso is that the 25'th cd ? you should boot from the first |
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| 10:35.25 | wols | fredl: why do you need a testing CD to install? |
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| 10:35.39 | wols | those CDs are for testing the installer only. they might not, as in your case boot |
| 10:35.51 | fredl | uhh really? |
| 10:35.53 | fredl | Hmm |
| 10:35.53 | wols | also, why would CD25 boot. how do you know it's even a boot CD |
| 10:35.55 | wols | yes really |
| 10:36.15 | wols | even the alternative kde boot cds are labeled CD1 |
| 10:36.29 | wols | what made you think cd25 would boot and had an installer on it? |
| 10:36.31 | fredl | so how would I install testing as conveniently as possible? |
| 10:36.38 | sepski | fredl, cd1 to boot. the others are just more software |
| 10:37.00 | fredl | so I can install testing from cd1 to my harddisk? |
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| 10:37.10 | sepski | yeah |
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| 10:37.18 | wols | fredl: you install stable and upgrade |
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| 10:37.35 | wols | ideally a etch netinst without installing anything besides the bootfloppies |
| 10:37.46 | fredl | wols - hmm that's the only way? |
| 10:37.55 | wols | it's the supported way |
| 10:38.05 | fredl | ok. |
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| 10:39.11 | fredl | that method would require downloading nearly the entire distro twice though, correct? |
| 10:39.23 | wols | incorrect |
| 10:39.26 | fredl | one time for the netinst and one time for the upgrade. |
| 10:39.52 | sepski | fredl, the entire distro is 25 CD's :) the barebone system is just a few 100 mb's |
| 10:39.52 | fredl | where the upgrade obviously won't upgrade all packages but many |
| 10:39.59 | fredl | ah, right. |
| 10:40.10 | fredl | bbl, food |
| 10:40.13 | marc7 | i hate ipmi, but specifically, i hate dell's monitoring applications |
| 10:40.14 | wols | a netinst is 150MB. the who distro is >15GB |
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| 10:40.26 | wols | *whole |
| 10:41.19 | sineETCH | does etch have linux headers and gcc installed |
| 10:42.02 | wols | sineETCH: your question makes no sense |
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| 10:42.12 | wols | debian only installs what you tell it to. nothing more nothing less |
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| 10:48.01 | amaia | hi, any mdadm guru here? simple question: can I add a new drive (to replace a failed one) to a raid without partitioning it first? just add a clean drive? will it partition the drive for me? |
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| 10:49.12 | valdyn | amaia: cant |
| 10:49.59 | valdyn | amaia: your raid members aren't typically 'disks' but partitions |
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| 10:50.06 | amaia | valdyn, the thing is that I did it and it started syncing, but I'm a little worried |
| 10:50.07 | valdyn | amaia: you didnt tell us what yours are |
| 10:50.08 | HardDisk_WP | can I say ssh that a specific serrver always listens on port 31337? |
| 10:50.16 | HardDisk_WP | so that i dont have to specify -p31337 every time |
| 10:50.24 | amaia | valdyn, it's a partition |
| 10:50.35 | valdyn | amaia: so its already partitioned? |
| 10:50.40 | amaia | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 10:50.40 | amaia | md0 : active raid1 sdb[2] sda3[0] |
| 10:50.40 | amaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.40 | amaia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.00 | valdyn | amphi: sdb is obviously >= sda3 |
| 10:51.08 | valdyn | amphi: that's fine, just wasted space on sdb, i guess |
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| 10:51.20 | amaia | sorry... |
| 10:51.25 | amaia | the sda is partitioned and have a raid partition |
| 10:51.44 | valdyn | amphi: type of partition is irrelevant |
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| 10:51.45 | amaia | the sdb is a new bought drive... I thought I could just hot add it |
| 10:52.09 | valdyn | amaia: you could do that |
| 10:52.13 | wols | HardDisk_WP: you can edit config files in ~/.ssh |
| 10:52.20 | valdyn | amaia: but you really wanted to hot add a partition, not the whole drive |
| 10:52.26 | amaia | ok |
| 10:52.30 | HardDisk_WP | wols, k |
| 10:52.31 | amaia | i thought so... :) |
| 10:52.33 | valdyn | amaia: at least i guess that |
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| 10:52.59 | valdyn | amaia: md2 : active raid5 sde[0] sdc[4] sdd[3] sdf[2] sdg[1] is just complete disks, works the same |
| 10:53.04 | wols | HardDisk_WP: there should be a setting for them that specifies ports for that host. you can also automatie things like usernames, key certs, etc |
| 10:53.05 | alpr | how can i view the running process on a debian server? |
| 10:53.12 | wols | alpr: man ps |
| 10:53.20 | wols | alpr: also top and a ton of others |
| 10:53.34 | valdyn | amaia: what's on sda1-2 ? |
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| 10:53.44 | HardDisk_WP | wols, the only config file in ~/.ssh is known_hosts |
| 10:54.03 | HardDisk_WP | and i cant see any domain names / ports in that |
| 10:54.11 | thisiz | hi, i am getting a black screen when using rdesktop to connect to a windows server |
| 10:54.13 | amaia | sda has the (1) swap (2) / (root) (3) the raid partition |
| 10:54.18 | valdyn | amaia: as it looks to me you probably want to remove that disk again, partition it, then add the proper partition to the raid |
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| 10:54.33 | amaia | valdyn, now I cant -> "resource busy" |
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| 10:54.44 | valdyn | amaia: you have to fail it first |
| 10:54.47 | alpr | i asked for the exact command, im not good at rtfm wols |
| 10:54.57 | amaia | valdyn, can I do it by software? |
| 10:55.02 | valdyn | amaia: sure |
| 10:55.04 | alpr | instead of sending me to it, you could have simply told me the attributes to write |
| 10:55.14 | sobersabre | guys, I've upgraded my kernel. |
| 10:55.18 | alpr | would have solved the problem easily and saved some of my time |
| 10:55.21 | liable | damn, my parents have discovered skype. |
| 10:55.24 | Guerin | alpr: but then HE would have had to do the work, not YOU |
| 10:55.24 | sobersabre | after the reboot the system falls out into BusyBox |
| 10:55.32 | thisiz | hi, i am getting a black screen when using rdesktop to connect to a windows server. any ideas guys? |
| 10:55.37 | Guerin | alpr: we don't care about your time |
| 10:55.40 | sobersabre | after mdadm completes, it writes: |
| 10:55.45 | valdyn | amaia: due to how smart works, failing by software should be the typical thing |
| 10:55.53 | sobersabre | Success: assembled all arrays. |
| 10:55.55 | sobersabre | Done. |
| 10:55.55 | alpr | he done more with his pointing to rtfm than telling me "ps -xxx xa" |
| 10:55.59 | sobersabre | Done. |
| 10:56.17 | Guerin | alpr: but there's a net gain from you doing it - you'll never have to ask such a stupid question again |
| 10:56.19 | sobersabre | Begin: Waiting for root file system ... ... |
| 10:56.24 | sobersabre | Done. |
| 10:56.31 | sobersabre | and them it writes errors, |
| 10:56.33 | alpr | it wasnt a stupid question you moron |
| 10:56.34 | sobersabre | I am pasting the, |
| 10:56.35 | amaia | valdyn, --fail ok |
| 10:56.38 | alpr | im a newbie to this |
| 10:56.45 | alpr | not a full time g33k like you |
| 10:56.48 | Guerin | alpr: i disagree. It was answered in the manual page. |
| 10:56.49 | alpr | i cant now it, sorry :) |
| 10:57.07 | Guerin | hell, i don't even work in computers |
| 10:57.16 | Guerin | i'm a political scientist and a media analyst |
| 10:57.21 | alpr | so every question that is asked in this channel should be redirected to google.com - if i may follow your argue |
| 10:57.28 | thisiz | hi, i am getting a black screen when using rdesktop to connect to any windows server. an ideas guys |
| 10:57.32 | alpr | fucking hell, you are a big help :) |
| 10:57.38 | Guerin | alpr: argumentum ad absurdam isn't helping your case |
| 10:57.58 | Guerin | don't be sore about it |
| 10:58.01 | alpr | stop blending yourself with your pseudo intelligence |
| 10:58.04 | alpr | sape audere my friend |
| 10:58.04 | Guerin | just be happy you learned something |
| 10:58.49 | valdyn | alpr: don't take this channel personally, and don't do ad hominem attacks, or you can be silenced |
| 10:59.02 | Guerin | or more likely, ridiculed |
| 10:59.03 | alpr | i cannot |
| 10:59.20 | sobersabre | hell, I got it. only the root= arg was wrong |
| 10:59.38 | sobersabre | I wonder why, but I wonder more why I haven't read the error message fully earlier |
| 10:59.43 | sobersabre | :*) |
| 11:00.09 | valdyn | sobersabre: go see if df output matches too |
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| 11:00.47 | valdyn | sobersabre: if root= was wrong chances are that your mtab/fstab is wrong too, hence df showing wrong stuff |
| 11:00.53 | sobersabre | it is wierd. |
| 11:00.57 | sobersabre | fstab is 100% ok |
| 11:01.05 | sobersabre | but grub entry isn't |
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| 11:01.51 | sobersabre | for ALL kernels. |
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| 11:02.00 | sobersabre | WIERD. this happened after the upgrade of the kernel. |
| 11:02.06 | liable | check the #kopt entry |
| 11:02.07 | sobersabre | who could've caused this. |
| 11:02.18 | sobersabre | liable: there's "menu.lst~" file |
| 11:02.23 | sobersabre | and it has "kopt" entry |
| 11:02.33 | sobersabre | which is commented. |
| 11:02.43 | liable | sobersabre: its not actually commented |
| 11:02.44 | valdyn | sobersabre: ##kopt |
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| 11:02.55 | sobersabre | but, what is this ~ file ? |
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| 11:03.00 | valdyn | sobersabre: its commented for grub, its parsed by update-grub |
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| 11:03.10 | liable | sobersabre: in that section of the file ## is comment # gets parsed by update-grub |
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| 11:03.23 | sobersabre | I don't have kopt in menu.lst |
| 11:03.35 | sobersabre | I have it in menu.lst~ ( NOTE THE TILDA ) |
| 11:03.45 | liable | sobersabre: if you have a ~ file, you prolly edited it with some editor that makes a backup of the original |
| 11:03.54 | valdyn | sobersabre: that's a backup |
| 11:04.09 | valdyn | sobersabre: wonder who/what replaced you debianish menu.lst though |
| 11:04.11 | sobersabre | hm... I know vim leaves ~ files. |
| 11:04.21 | liable | not by default |
| 11:04.24 | sobersabre | ok |
| 11:04.33 | sobersabre | so, if I have a line # kopt, |
| 11:04.38 | sobersabre | it WILL be parsed, |
| 11:04.42 | sobersabre | but aline: |
| 11:04.43 | liable | yes |
| 11:04.44 | sobersabre | ## kopt |
| 11:04.46 | sobersabre | won't ?! |
| 11:04.49 | liable | yes |
| 11:04.54 | sobersabre | BASTARD!!!! |
| 11:04.55 | liable | correct |
| 11:04.56 | sobersabre | thanks!!!!! |
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| 11:05.44 | shifty | hey all |
| 11:05.46 | sobersabre | what a messup. |
| 11:06.10 | liable | sobersabre: you can just delete menu.list and run update-grub and it will build a new one |
| 11:06.15 | thisiz | hi, i am getting a black screen when using rdesktop to connect to a windows server |
| 11:06.20 | shifty | how can i fix that error if i plugin a usb stronage: hal-stornage-removable-mount-all-options refused 1000 |
| 11:06.21 | shifty | ? |
| 11:06.22 | thisiz | any ideas guys |
| 11:06.23 | sobersabre | liable: I probably will. |
| 11:06.25 | sobersabre | :) |
| 11:06.43 | thisiz | it connects but displays a black screen |
| 11:07.01 | thisiz | after a while it displays an error |
| 11:07.03 | azeem | shifty: are you in the plugdev group? |
| 11:07.21 | shifty | no |
| 11:07.24 | shifty | azeem why? |
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| 11:07.33 | shifty | ah mom |
| 11:07.36 | shifty | sry |
| 11:07.46 | liable | hah, i knew it was a bot |
| 11:08.30 | shifty | azeem: yes i am |
| 11:08.38 | liable | lol |
| 11:08.53 | shifty | liable ... why lol? |
| 11:09.03 | liable | i just had an amusing mental picture from those replies |
| 11:09.04 | fredl | so debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso is the best way to start installing Debian huh? |
| 11:09.20 | fredl | just checking before I come back here again only to hear that I downloaded the wrong iso :P |
| 11:09.24 | azeem | shifty: did you add that storage to /etc/fstab, maybe? |
| 11:09.34 | liable | fredl: yep |
| 11:09.36 | amaia | how can I replicate the structure of partitions of a disk to another? I tried by using the -s but the final sizes don't match |
| 11:09.41 | shifty | hmmm... i only plugged it in |
| 11:09.43 | shifty | nothing else |
| 11:09.47 | liable | fredl: if you have a halfway decent net connection |
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| 11:10.08 | valdyn | fredl: its the best way if your nic is supported |
| 11:10.35 | shifty | ah... azeem its ntfs formatted |
| 11:10.50 | azeem | hrm |
| 11:10.57 | azeem | could make problems, dunno |
| 11:10.58 | liable | amaia: sfdisk can bachup partition tables |
| 11:11.11 | liable | amaia: i have no real idea what your trying to do though |
| 11:11.41 | amaia | liable, replicate the partition structure of disk a to disk b to add a new raid drive that failed |
| 11:11.56 | liable | amaia: ya, sfdisk might help there |
| 11:12.17 | liable | amaia: dont ask me about it, i havent used it much, and not for a long time |
| 11:12.26 | fredl | my nic is supported, I know that much. |
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| 11:13.07 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell svn to ignore a file called cookies from checkin permanently? |
| 11:13.16 | shifty | how can i install ntfs-3g on debian? |
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| 11:13.33 | wols | !tell shifty about ntfs-3g |
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| 11:13.43 | wols | shifty: if you run etch, it's in backports |
| 11:13.43 | shifty | !ntfs-3g |
| 11:13.43 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 11:14.03 | elias | do i need to do anything besides "reportbug" to properly report a bug? |
| 11:14.03 | shifty | ok thx |
| 11:14.05 | namit | !tell namit about ntfs-3g |
| 11:14.18 | elias | it seems i only get back a copy of my report, but never any bug number |
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| 11:14.30 | liable | namit: eh? it was just in the channel.. |
| 11:14.41 | fredl | hmm. |
| 11:14.42 | amaia | liable, txs |
| 11:15.05 | liable | !tell namit about selftell |
| 11:15.10 | liable | amaia: hope it helps |
| 11:15.18 | valdyn | elias: uh? the confirmation mail should contain the bug # in the subject |
| 11:15.25 | namit | liable: a did not see that was still reading the last few comments |
| 11:15.37 | garo | !tell garo about the meaning of life |
| 11:15.51 | liable | !lart garo |
| 11:15.52 | elias | valdyn: the confirmation just had the title i used for the bug |
| 11:15.55 | namit | liable: coool that help |
| 11:16.46 | fredl | I'm curious how this install is going to work out. I reinstalled the 32 bit Ubuntu this morning only to find out that my system still constantly runs at a load of 2. |
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| 11:17.06 | fredl | without any noticeable active processes |
| 11:17.10 | oMish_ | which pkg contains manpages for pthreads ? |
| 11:17.21 | liable | fredl: so install it and see.. :P |
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| 11:18.14 | fredl | liable - going to :) hey maybe you know this, if the Debian installer sees LVM volumes but they're used, will it shrink existing ones and offer to make new ones? |
| 11:18.23 | fredl | that would be nice. |
| 11:18.42 | liable | fredl: ah, i am a lvm tard, sorry, couldnt tell you. |
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| 11:19.16 | elias | valdyn: do you know if there is a way to check if the mail reached submit@bugs.debian.org? maybe whatever reportbug uses to send the mail doesn't quite work on my setup |
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| 11:19.31 | Agiofws | hello i'm tryingto gethe synaptics driver to work i searched thelogs in XORS logs and got this message http://rafb.net/p/IBdDaO47.html can you help ? |
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| 11:19.58 | Agiofws | hello i'm trying to get the synaptics driver to work i searched the logs in XORGS logs and got this message http://rafb.net/p/IBdDaO47.html can you help ? |
| 11:20.06 | my007ms | any idea how i can make my machine netra t1 not go and boot unix |
| 11:20.25 | my007ms | and make it go to boot> so u can replace this old system |
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| 11:24.04 | cmanns | Is there a lemit of how many files per directory? |
| 11:25.02 | fredl | hmm I guess I just trashed my ubuntu install, unfortunately there's no shrinking of LV's and creating some news LV's for Debian. |
| 11:25.06 | fredl | oh well. |
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| 11:25.53 | thisiz | is there a terminal services client for linux? |
| 11:25.56 | wols | cmanns: no. there is a limit for the amount of files in a partition tho |
| 11:26.01 | wols | thisiz: rdesktop |
| 11:26.06 | cmanns | How many? |
| 11:26.19 | cmanns | This php script stopped at 13,539 images -_- |
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| 11:26.24 | thisiz | wols: aside from that - i am having a problem with with |
| 11:26.49 | thisiz | wols: just displays a black screen |
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| 11:28.21 | daya | I have imported project by using cvs import, but why I checkout, the original file doesn't come |
| 11:28.35 | fredl | I'm curious as to why the Ubuntu install earlier showed my system's load to be 2. That couldn't really be an Ubuntu specific thing I'd think. |
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| 11:29.02 | daya | when I checkout, the original file doesn't come in the list, |
| 11:29.06 | daya | any idea, |
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| 11:29.39 | elias | cmanns: wikipedia says the limit is 130000000000000000000 files per directory for ext2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2) |
| 11:29.50 | fredl | Curious to see if it'll tell me the same on Debian... |
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| 11:30.19 | fredl | anybody experienced problems with one ATA disk and two SATA disks in one system? |
| 11:30.24 | elias | hm, fat32 apparently had a limit of 2^32 files |
| 11:30.36 | fredl | daya - uhh |
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| 11:30.49 | fredl | daya - you're trying 'cvs checkout' |
| 11:30.51 | cmanns | Whats the command that shows the partitions w/filesystem types |
| 11:31.13 | elias | cmanns: just type "mount" |
| 11:31.19 | fredl | df |
| 11:31.34 | daya | fredl, actually my system get crashed so , I reinstall the sytem, again, |
| 11:31.36 | elias | ah, true, or that |
| 11:31.46 | cmanns | The drive is using ext3 which I assume would have the same limit |
| 11:32.01 | daya | fredl, is there is any efficient idea to restore the previous cvsrepo, |
| 11:32.32 | daya | fredl, I import the backup cvsfiles using cvs import, but while i checkout |
| 11:32.51 | daya | they are not in readle format any idea, |
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| 11:33.24 | Absolute0 | is ir possible to reinstall debian without the install cd? |
| 11:33.34 | Absolute0 | *it |
| 11:33.49 | fredl | daya - you mean you're trying to recover your CVS repository?? |
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| 11:34.18 | daya | fredl, yes, |
| 11:34.41 | daya | fredl, any suggestion, |
| 11:34.56 | fredl | ah, well if you used to have your cvs repository in /cvs or something and you have a backup of /cvs, just put the backup in /cvs and you're done. |
| 11:35.12 | fredl | that's all it takes, don't need to import/export |
| 11:35.50 | fredl | funny, are you from Nepal? |
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| 11:36.15 | ribnitz | hello.. |
| 11:36.35 | fredl | coz I'm just reading something about Buddhist monk protests in Myanmar. |
| 11:36.41 | ribnitz | Is there an app I can use to visulaise the mic input sig of my soundcard? |
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| 11:36.52 | ribnitz | (to find the mic plug) |
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| 11:37.12 | fredl | you cannot find the mic plug?!? |
| 11:37.19 | fredl | maybe there is none? |
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| 11:37.24 | Absolute0 | is it possible to reinstall debian without the install cd? |
| 11:37.33 | shifty | hey all iam back again ^^ |
| 11:37.52 | valdyn | ribnitz: cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp |
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| 11:38.08 | fredl | Absolute0 - yes |
| 11:38.10 | valdyn | ribnitz: or just 'cat /dev/dsp' |
| 11:38.12 | Agiofws | hello i'm trying to get the synaptics driver to work i searched the logs in XORGS logs and got this message http://rafb.net/p/IBdDaO47.html can you help ? |
| 11:38.18 | Absolute0 | fredl: what do i do? |
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| 11:38.25 | shifty | if i use "mount -t ntfs-3g -o force /dev/sdb5 /media/Serien" to mount my external drive it works!!! how can i do that at startup? |
| 11:38.30 | fredl | Absolute0, you need to have a second server and configure that to be a netboot server. |
| 11:38.38 | thisiz | hi, i am getting a black screen when using rdesktop to connect to any server, any ideas? |
| 11:38.41 | Absolute0 | ah |
| 11:38.47 | Absolute0 | fredl: in bios? |
| 11:38.57 | daya | fredl, ok let me check, but I have done it already, thinking not working so, |
| 11:39.00 | shifty | thisiz: why do u ask so many times?? |
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| 11:39.01 | fredl | Absolute0, your system needs to support that freaky netboot thingie tehen |
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| 11:39.13 | thisiz | shifty: noboy has answered! |
| 11:39.24 | Absolute0 | eh |
| 11:39.28 | shifty | maybe they need some more information... |
| 11:39.29 | ribnitz | valdyn: continuious output of qmarks |
| 11:39.33 | thisiz | shifty: nobody * |
| 11:39.34 | Absolute0 | i'll just try to fix all my debian errors |
| 11:39.36 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 11:39.37 | fredl | thisiz - maybe the computer you're connecting to has the screensaver on? |
| 11:39.52 | Absolute0 | its funny how my cd drive got busted right after i installed debian |
| 11:39.56 | Absolute0 | lucky me i guess |
| 11:39.58 | thisiz | fredl: no screensaver |
| 11:39.58 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 11:40.00 | fredl | thisiz, did you try to hit some keys after you connected? |
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| 11:40.13 | thisiz | fredl: yes |
| 11:40.16 | fredl | Absolute0, it's Murphy |
| 11:40.48 | ribnitz | Whasn't there some synth type app, which also showed the mic enty? |
| 11:40.49 | fredl | Absolute0, additionally there's a CD drive destroy function in the Debian installer but I'm sure your system doesn't meet the criteria. |
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| 11:41.33 | ribnitz | audacity, found it |
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| 11:41.34 | Guerin | heh |
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| 11:43.29 | thisiz | as soon as i click on connect, it opens the rdesktop window, shows a black screen, hit many keys, including mouse clicks, nothing, after a minute or so comes up with error saying: Not implemented system pointer message 0x7f00 |
| 11:43.46 | MattUK | I'm going to install 4.0r1 on my laptop using the net install CD - is there anything I should know pre or post install? |
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| 11:44.10 | sineETCH | MattUK |
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| 11:44.14 | sineETCH | what laptop |
| 11:44.30 | sineETCH | ive just installed it (4 days ago actually) on a sony vaio n38e from tesco |
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| 11:44.35 | MattUK | sineETCH: It's a Compaq C310 |
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| 11:44.51 | MattUK | sineETCH: I've been running Ubuntu on it for a while |
| 11:45.01 | sineETCH | there is a site called linux laptops which has info and different models that people have installed with how they got it to work etc |
| 11:45.03 | sineETCH | oh |
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| 11:45.18 | thisiz | i have now tried with tsclient as well and the same issue |
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| 11:45.34 | sineETCH | well it works on this ok, but i cant get the sonypi to work propers |
| 11:45.39 | MattUK | Yea, I've seen those sites - I've had various distros on before I just wondered if there is anything I should look out for with Debian or if anything needs updates after installation etc |
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| 11:45.44 | Absolute0 | fredl: isn't there some group i can install that installs all the base pkgs? |
| 11:46.03 | MattUK | Like my touchpad works fine on Ubuntu, but will it work straight away on Debian? |
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| 11:46.37 | sineETCH | who knows it works on here albet slow |
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| 11:46.43 | sineETCH | slbeit |
| 11:46.48 | Absolute0 | MattUK: most probably, if not just install synaptics |
| 11:47.06 | MattUK | Yea, I guess I will have to use 915resolution too to get 1280x800 working? |
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| 11:47.16 | sineETCH | how can i uninstall somthing that i apt-get |
| 11:47.24 | MattUK | apt-get remove |
| 11:47.26 | Absolute0 | !apt-get |
| 11:47.26 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
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| 11:47.47 | sineETCH | cool also is there an apt list of things since install that i have apt-g0tted |
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| 11:48.17 | thisiz | i have also now remove and reinstalled |
| 11:48.19 | thisiz | no luck |
| 11:48.26 | thisiz | anybody who can help |
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| 11:48.34 | thisiz | this is very frustratting |
| 11:49.01 | Absolute0 | thisiz: man apt-get |
| 11:49.09 | Absolute0 | MattUK: man apt-get |
| 11:49.10 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 11:49.28 | thisiz | abosulte0: what good would that be |
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| 11:49.45 | Daniel_S | hi everyone |
| 11:49.47 | MattUK | Absolute0: yea, I know :) |
| 11:50.08 | Absolute0 | well thats great then |
| 11:50.17 | sineETCH | how do i make iceweasel my default browser |
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| 11:50.50 | thisiz | i am getting a black screen when using rdesktop to connect to a windows server. as soon as i click on connect, it opens the rdesktop window, shows a black screen, hit many keys, including mouse clicks, nothing, after a minute or so comes up with error saying: Not implemented system pointer message 0x7f00 |
| 11:51.01 | thisiz | same with tsclient |
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| 11:53.10 | wols | become a DD. good luck |
| 11:53.25 | fredl | hmm so far so good, Debian stable is booting up and doing it's first filesystem check |
| 11:53.44 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 11:58.00 | shifty | how can i deactivate automount? (or modify automount parameters) |
| 11:58.02 | fredl | Hmm, 800x600 on a 42" screen, here we go... |
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| 12:00.31 | sineETCH | what is the folder usr for |
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| 12:00.43 | sineETCH | what i mean is what is bin and sbin and how do they differ |
| 12:00.51 | dutchfish | how can i limit the time/date until a user account will become disabled automatically? |
| 12:00.52 | hark | !folder |
| 12:00.52 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 12:00.56 | sineETCH | ./usr/bin /usr/sbin |
| 12:01.01 | sineETCH | yes ok directory |
| 12:01.04 | sineETCH | pedant |
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| 12:01.28 | hark | /msg dpkg fhs |
| 12:01.31 | cahoot | weedfighting |
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| 12:03.06 | Element14 | bin stands for binary, sbin stands for system(?) binary. they contain executables. |
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| 12:04.34 | sineETCH | cool. that link was good as well ill have a good old read later |
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| 12:06.49 | dutchfish | how do i limit the time a user can spent on a given system. For example lets say 1 hour daily? after that he is forced logout |
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| 12:08.03 | petemc | $TMOUT ? |
| 12:08.25 | dutchfish | petemc, $TMOUT ? whats that? |
| 12:08.32 | petemc | its a shell variable |
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| 12:09.01 | dutchfish | petemc, i supose a timeout variable? |
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| 12:09.40 | petemc | thankfully, theres no need to guess - it would be documented |
| 12:09.43 | oMish_ | When 'man -k' doesn't show something that exists, how do I fix the man indexes ? |
| 12:10.33 | dutchfish | petemc, is there a howto, how i can give my pupils 1 hour system access, when used up, they forced logout |
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| 12:11.12 | dutchfish | petemc, relogin must be denied for that day |
| 12:11.22 | wols | oMish_: maybe dpkg-reconfigure the manpages package? |
| 12:11.49 | petemc | dutchfish: oh, im not sur eit will do that |
| 12:11.57 | xand | an hour? stingy! |
| 12:12.13 | dutchfish | petemc, is it possible, or need i hack pam for that? |
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| 12:12.22 | hark | oMish_: mandb |
| 12:12.26 | dutchfish | xand, that was an exmaple ;) |
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| 12:12.56 | hark | TMOUT is something else :) |
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| 12:13.21 | dutchfish | hark, i suppose its timeout by no activity? |
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| 12:14.15 | Wyzard | dutchfish: I think there's a PAM module that enforces timeouts, but I don't know the details of it or what it's called |
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| 12:15.05 | dutchfish | Wyzard, the only thing i found so far: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/227 |
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| 12:15.26 | dutchfish | Wyzard, but those are fixed times |
| 12:15.47 | dutchfish | Wyzard, i need something they can spend that 1 hour to their likings |
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| 12:16.06 | Wyzard | dutchfish: yeah, I was about to say, I might be mixing it up with something that enforces fixed times of day |
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| 12:16.26 | hark | dutchfish: yeah, but that's probably not what you want |
| 12:16.32 | dutchfish | Wyzard, mmm i gues need to make a script that scans syslog and is called by a cronjob every 5 min or so |
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| 12:16.49 | Wyzard | dutchfish: What's the point of limiting people to 1 hour of arbitrary usage, though? |
| 12:17.13 | dutchfish | Wyzard, systemresources are limited |
| 12:17.40 | dutchfish | Wyzard, every pupil needs to have a fiar change of using the systems |
| 12:17.49 | xand | you could perhaps write a custom shell ;) |
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| 12:17.54 | Wyzard | dutchfish: Just being logged in isn't a burden |
| 12:18.23 | Wyzard | dutchfish: Look into setting usage quotas for CPU and disk instead |
| 12:18.30 | dutchfish | Wyzard, no, but i have limited terminals and 12x more pupils |
| 12:18.42 | Wyzard | dutchfish: ah, I was assuming network logins |
| 12:18.54 | xand | dutchfish: are they logging in using X or console? |
| 12:19.21 | dutchfish | xand, x through PXE boot from an NFS share (gnome) |
| 12:19.54 | xand | can you make a timer run when they login? then log them out after 60 mins |
| 12:20.09 | dutchfish | xand, they can then relogin? |
| 12:20.24 | xand | the timer could check such things and log them out straight away. |
| 12:20.51 | dutchfish | xand, what if they relogin at the 59 min? |
| 12:21.21 | xand | it could easily keep a total |
| 12:21.31 | dutchfish | xand, thats through |
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| 12:21.41 | xand | it's what? |
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| 12:21.59 | xand | or when it logs them out it does passwd -l ;) |
| 12:22.10 | waspius | hi..can someone tell me what app can be used as a notepad?ie..kde has kwrite |
| 12:22.28 | xand | vim |
| 12:22.29 | dutchfish | xand, or simply disable the account (a nightly cron can enable it again) |
| 12:22.32 | xand | gedit, emacs, etc |
| 12:22.39 | waspius | thank you |
| 12:22.50 | xand | passwd -l locks the account |
| 12:23.00 | dutchfish | xand, ok |
| 12:23.20 | xand | at least, it disables the password |
| 12:23.24 | thisiz | how do i view which display adapter is being used? |
| 12:23.38 | thisiz | hi |
| 12:24.05 | abrotman | waspius: so use kwrite ? |
| 12:24.09 | dutchfish | Wyzard, hark, xand thank you for your idees, i start of scripting ... |
| 12:24.20 | abrotman | waspius: or do you need one for gnome ? |
| 12:24.27 | Wyzard | dutchfish: Keep in mind, you can't just count time since they logged in... they might have logged out after half an hour |
| 12:24.28 | waspius | abrotman: i dont want to mix kde applications in gnome |
| 12:24.30 | wols | thisiz: shouldn't that be obvious where the monitor is plugged in? |
| 12:24.43 | abrotman | waspius: uhm .. you left that bit out of your request |
| 12:24.50 | dutchfish | Wyzard, ok, i can check that from syslog |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | !info tomboy etch |
| 12:24.52 | waspius | abrotman: sorry:) |
| 12:24.56 | dpkg | tomboy: (desktop note taking program using Wiki style links), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 609 kB, Installed size: 1821 kB |
| 12:25.01 | thisiz | hi, how do i view which display adapter is being used (using debian etch) |
| 12:25.11 | xand | thisiz: wols told you |
| 12:25.27 | xand | follow monitor cable ;) |
| 12:25.29 | wols | thisiz: look at the back of your PC and check where the monitor cable originate from. pretty easy |
| 12:25.57 | dutchfish | Wyzard, any idees how to force logout them scriptomatically? |
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| 12:26.14 | wols | dutchfish: kill their processes with extreme prejudice |
| 12:26.24 | waspius | abrotman: i will check it..thanx |
| 12:26.28 | thisiz | hi, how do i view which display adapter is being used (using debian etch) |
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| 12:26.32 | fredl_ | Hmm, so far so good, also got the nvidia driver working nicely for my 42" screen now |
| 12:26.36 | Wyzard | dutchfish: apt-cache show slay |
| 12:26.37 | wols | !tell thisiz about repeat |
| 12:26.38 | sine- | hi |
| 12:26.49 | dutchfish | thx, wols Wyzard |
| 12:26.51 | sine- | how comes the comman iwconfig doesnt work for me i.e command not found |
| 12:26.54 | sine- | command* |
| 12:27.01 | xand | thisiz: stop that |
| 12:27.03 | wols | sine-: install wireless-tools |
| 12:27.18 | sine- | i think i have it allready and ive had the iwconfig show me stuff before |
| 12:27.20 | fredl_ | best way to upgrade from stable to testing is still to simply edit the sources.list and dist-upgrade/ |
| 12:27.33 | wols | sine-: you're not root. it's not in your path |
| 12:27.42 | fredl_ | replace etch with testing? |
| 12:27.43 | sine- | ok |
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| 12:27.53 | fredl_ | no.. wait.. lenny is testing? |
| 12:28.00 | xand | yes it is |
| 12:28.02 | abrotman | fredl_: you'd probably rather use 'lenny' instead of 'testing' |
| 12:28.04 | fredl_ | 'k |
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| 12:28.11 | thisiz | not pyhsical connection, in debian itself. what display driver the system is using |
| 12:28.15 | sine- | wols nice one im sucha new b! |
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| 12:29.34 | wols | thisiz: for X? |
| 12:29.43 | thisiz | yes |
| 12:29.47 | thisiz | wols: yes |
| 12:29.51 | frold | howto change the the root password? |
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| 12:30.12 | ghatak_mobile | Any sparc debian gurus here ? |
| 12:30.13 | sepski | passwd as root |
| 12:30.26 | sepski | !sparc |
| 12:30.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 12:30.40 | wols | thisiz: xdpyinfo or such. or simply grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 12:30.59 | ghatak_mobile | sepski: in particular sun netra :). having trouble in getting it booted from network |
| 12:31.26 | thisiz | wols: thank you |
| 12:31.26 | sepski | ghatak_mobile, as the factoid said, your more likely to get sane help in #debian-sparc |
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| 12:31.55 | frold | sepski passwd NEWPASSWORD as root? |
| 12:32.20 | frold | sry, get it!!! |
| 12:32.58 | thisiz | still .... rdesktop, tsclient, xnc4viewer still display black screen when trying to connect to any server. all config looks ok otherwise. anyone who can help Please |
| 12:34.42 | fredl | hmm 20 minutes of downloading to upgrade from etch to lenny.... |
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| 12:35.23 | petemc | 4444/win 4 |
| 12:35.28 | fredl | not the most efficient way to do this and the artwork could be nice but so far so good and I'm not running into the same problems yet as I had with Ubuntu |
| 12:35.37 | wols | thisiz: connect to what server exactly? |
| 12:36.39 | abrotman | okay .. so all that bullshit about the driver because rdesktop no workie ? |
| 12:36.51 | abrotman | thisiz: have you tried with the vesa driver ? |
| 12:36.59 | wols | abrotman: it's sunday |
| 12:37.07 | akuehntopf | anyone here have experience with libgtk / libglade programming? (C) |
| 12:37.10 | thisiz | abrotman: how do i do that? |
| 12:37.24 | thisiz | wols: they are various windows servers |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | akuehntopf: probably get more help on irc.gnome.org |
| 12:37.32 | wols | fredl: you did it wrong. you were supposed a bare system. upgrade that and then install the rest of the stuff |
| 12:37.45 | wols | the way you did it now you, yes, actually downloaded debian twice basically |
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| 12:41.38 | thisiz | how do i change to a vesa driver? |
| 12:41.45 | fredl_ | wols - hmm, ok |
| 12:42.00 | waspius | when you create a plain text document under gnome and you add the extention .doc should it not become a word document? |
| 12:42.16 | fredl_ | I should be fine though and I see there's some extra artwork too which looks pretty decent |
| 12:42.35 | waspius | or for creating word files you need to open open office? |
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| 12:43.03 | wols | !tell thisiz about drxx |
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| 12:43.41 | fredl_ | so lenny hardly ever really breaks then? |
| 12:44.00 | maddash | omg, you're all here, too? |
| 12:44.12 | dv_ | real breaks are not common |
| 12:44.21 | dv_ | but updates happen frequentl |
| 12:44.21 | dv_ | y |
| 12:44.29 | maddash | hey, wtf? this isn't oftc |
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| 12:44.36 | thisiz | coming back to changing the display driver ... where do i go in a gnome environment to view/change? |
| 12:44.43 | thisiz | gde |
| 12:45.00 | dv_ | so after, say, a month, an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade may require downloading >100 megs |
| 12:45.43 | fredl_ | dv_, oh okay well that not so bad as long as it doesn't break a lot. It basically means that lenny is more up-to-date than Ubuntu IMO |
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| 12:46.19 | dv_ | yes |
| 12:46.54 | fredl_ | that works for me. There's nothing comparable to medibuntu? |
| 12:48.01 | wols | thisiz: you cannot change the driver from inside gnome |
| 12:49.27 | thisiz | wols: thats crazy!! ... thanks anyway |
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| 12:50.15 | fredl | I gotta tell ya, running X on a 42" 1080p screen is something different :P |
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| 12:51.26 | smhar | I installed debian on a computer but while installing, the installer couldn't connect to the network so I ask it to keep this for later. Now that the system is booting, how to configure the network? |
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| 12:51.37 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 12:51.37 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 12:52.51 | wols | smhar: do you have the needed driver loaded already? |
| 12:53.12 | smhar | it seems that e100 is loaded when I do an lsmod |
| 12:53.36 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.46 | wols | do you have a ethX that's your e100? |
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| 12:54.32 | smhar | ifconfig is empty |
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| 12:54.45 | liable | did you add the -a ? |
| 12:54.51 | wols | it certainly isn't empty. no way |
| 12:54.55 | liable | should at least show lo |
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| 12:55.39 | abrotman | unless he messed that up too |
| 12:55.59 | liable | i dont think you can mess lo up during install |
| 12:56.20 | wols | liable: neve underestimate smhar |
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| 12:56.36 | abrotman | !tell _gpg_ about away |
| 12:56.43 | liable | wols: i had just started a comment with 'but then again..' |
| 12:56.48 | liable | :) |
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| 12:57.19 | _gpg_ | abortman: lonversation is buging like ... sry |
| 12:57.32 | abrotman | who what |
| 12:57.43 | liable | _gpg_: get a decent client |
| 12:57.52 | _gpg_ | liable like ? |
| 12:58.00 | wols | !irssi |
| 12:58.00 | dpkg | methinks irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 12:58.05 | liable | !best irc client |
| 12:58.05 | dpkg | irssi-text is probably probably the best IRC client |
| 12:58.06 | abrotman | did he mean konversation ? |
| 12:58.20 | smhar | wols, liable , ok.. jokes aside, ifconfig -a show both lo and eth0 but I can not ping router |
| 12:58.20 | cloakable | yes |
| 12:58.21 | wols | abrotman: yes. k and l are side by side |
| 12:58.21 | _gpg_ | abrotman yes i meant |
| 12:58.34 | wols | smhar: eth0 has no IP assigned |
| 12:58.39 | liable | smhar: ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
| 12:58.54 | wols | smhar: as abrotman told you,edit your /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 12:59.42 | abrotman | isn't there a ksirc or something ? |
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| 13:00.08 | liable | prolly, and it probably sucks ass bad. |
| 13:00.44 | abrotman | kvirc and ksirc .. oh well |
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| 13:01.46 | fredl | well I be damned... |
| 13:02.15 | fredl | the upgrade to lenny gives errors on exactly the same packages as today's earlier Ubuntu install did |
| 13:02.37 | fredl | bunch of openoffice packages that are broken. |
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| 13:02.47 | liable | such as? |
| 13:02.51 | DustyBin | recently i keep on getting Lag on ethnet + freenode, its only just started to happen, ive never had Lag before, what causes it? ive tried different servers but it hasnt made any difference. |
| 13:03.11 | fredl | core, base, gcj, etc. |
| 13:03.27 | fredl | python-uno |
| 13:03.38 | wols | !tell fredl about bat |
| 13:03.46 | DustyBin | *EFnet |
| 13:03.46 | DustyBin | Lag: 280 |
| 13:03.53 | fredl | and ttf-opensymbol but I think that's because of the openoffice pkgs |
| 13:03.55 | Vorbote | DustyBin: probably freenode is under a DoS attack, nothing unusual. Use port 8001 to connect. |
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| 13:04.44 | fredl | yeah okay wols, right now I'm not too worried, going to reboot and see if my nvidia stuff automaticall upgraded to the new kernel |
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| 13:08.42 | fredl | this is somewhat disturbing... X doesn't start up anymore. |
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| 13:09.24 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.44 | wols | get it from etch or sid and use m-a |
| 13:09.46 | muh2000 | i have a problem with samba and ldap: /etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 56: index attribute "sambaSID" undefined http://nopaste.org/p/aO8Sqgyfx |
| 13:10.02 | Wyzard | and even if you already have nvidia-kernel-source installed, when you install a new kernel you have to build the new nvidia module for it with module-assistant |
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| 13:10.16 | fredl | wols, I started with etch and did m-a and then upgraded to lenny |
| 13:10.26 | wols | see what Wyzard said |
| 13:10.53 | fredl | ah okay |
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| 13:11.42 | fredl | just m-a autoinstall nvidia right? |
| 13:12.06 | fredl | or also m-a update or what was it? |
| 13:12.19 | Wyzard | I think it's "nvidia-kernel", not "nvidia", but basically, yes |
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| 13:14.16 | fredl | hmm that fails, either nvidia or nvidia-kernel |
| 13:15.02 | fredl | both are recognized and it starts compiling but there's errors... |
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| 13:15.48 | Wyzard | Do you have the linux-headers package corresponding to the new kernel you're running? |
| 13:16.24 | simon | what combination of LC_*/LANG* envvars do I need in order to have english messages and another language keyboard special chars in the terminal? |
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| 13:16.43 | fredl | yeah. error message is module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol paravirt_ops |
| 13:17.19 | fredl | that's the FATAL part it says, there's some warnings about prefetch.h but they don't seem significant |
| 13:17.45 | fredl | look like a bug? |
| 13:18.07 | wols | simon: I use LANG=de_DE@euro and LANGUAGE=en_GB:en |
| 13:18.17 | wols | fredl: not directly, no |
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| 13:18.26 | Wyzard | fredl: That's a kernel bug that was fixed in 2.6.22 |
| 13:18.48 | fredl | well but lenny runs 2.6.21, correct? |
| 13:19.01 | Wyzard | I guess |
| 13:19.11 | simon | wols, great, thanks. |
| 13:19.24 | fredl | Hmmm |
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| 13:20.03 | fredl | so 2.6.22 is quite recent in sid then? |
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| 13:22.12 | SlimG | Is there a shorter one-line equivalent to theese two commands?: find $FOLDER -type f -exec chmod 0644 {} \; find $FOLDER -type d -exec chmod 0755 {} \; |
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| 13:22.17 | fredl | another weird thing is that slew of openoffice errors seems to be related to ttf-opensymbol. After 'Updating fontconfig cache' I get tons of messages '/usr/share/fonts: failed to write cache' |
| 13:22.26 | my007ms | hey pleas any one help |
| 13:22.38 | danilom | is possible to customize wu-ftpd to use different ftp directories hjome from each user? |
| 13:22.44 | my007ms | i have netra t1 i was need install debian |
| 13:22.54 | Noname | Does anyone have a guide for installing Java on *Debian* - I tryed using google but everytime it fu*** up - thanks |
| 13:23.12 | asg | Noname: /msg dpkg install java |
| 13:23.14 | my007ms | the problem rarpd when it run it's not see the right mac |
| 13:23.29 | wols | !tell noname about install java |
| 13:24.41 | fredl | LOL, I guess Ubuntu and Debian do share a lot :P |
| 13:24.44 | Noname | Thanks ill read abit :) |
| 13:24.44 | fredl | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/104553/+viewstatus |
| 13:25.31 | fredl | ROTFL this is too funny: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/134074 |
| 13:25.41 | fredl | Note that only people east of Greenwich are experiencing this problem. Some people at UTC complain about it too, but I suspect they haven't filled in their profiles completely. |
| 13:26.55 | fredl | there, apt-get install fontconfig 2>&1 | grep failed | cut -d : -f 1 | xargs touch fixed the problem |
| 13:27.17 | Ronin | ubuntu bugs? so what? |
| 13:27.39 | fredl | Well coz they're exactly the same as the Debian error messages :P |
| 13:28.06 | fredl | cross-germinating bugs |
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| 13:30.08 | smhar | wols, liable , I edited /etc/network/interfaces and created /etc/resolv.conf and rebooted the system.ifconfig now show the static ip assigned for eth0 and can ping it, but can not ping the router/gateway |
| 13:30.26 | wols | smhar: pastebin your interfaces |
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| 13:31.30 | fredl | hmm, where could I get 2.6.22 for lenny? If I remember correctly I can just grab the deb from some incoming directory or something right? |
| 13:31.33 | fairway | most ppl still are on XVid |
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| 13:31.47 | spar256_ | fredl: you using lenny? |
| 13:31.49 | fairway | why not go for H.264 |
| 13:31.51 | fredl | yeah |
| 13:31.58 | wols | fredl: you can get it from sid or kernel.org |
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| 13:32.41 | wols | fairway: will you hand out dualcores for everyone? |
| 13:32.44 | fredl | wols - yeah I realize that but where do I 'get it from sid' when I don't have apt figuring out for me where to look |
| 13:32.57 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 13:32.59 | spar256_ | fredl: any problems, bugs? |
| 13:33.05 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 13:33.08 | smhar | wols, http://paste.debian.net/37804 |
| 13:33.11 | wols | !tell fredl about simple sid backport |
| 13:33.41 | fredl | spar256_ so far two bugs. One is easily fixable but you have to find it and one I'm working on fixing now by getting a backport kernel from sid |
| 13:33.47 | fairway | wols: is is that cpu-consuming? |
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| 13:34.28 | en1gma | i have a system that has 4 hard drives in it (all ides full) and i have an ide dvd-rom that has an "ABIT Serillel Adapter" that is getting some really wierd device number assigned to it upon boot up...anyway the debian install cd wont install from it....my motherboard does not support usb mem card booting....is there some floppy i can get that will either let me boot usb stick or cdrom? |
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| 13:34.57 | wols | !bootfloppies |
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| 13:34.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootfloppies is ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current Unex found this asskicking URL: http://www.physik.tu-cottbus.de/~george/ |
| 13:35.15 | spar256_ | fredl: these bugs are simple bugs using just apt-get, yah? |
| 13:35.35 | fredl | spar256_ uhh yes and no. |
| 13:35.59 | fredl | damnit how do I ask dpkg about backports, I have to bloody RTFM |
| 13:36.01 | en1gma | wols that first link dont work |
| 13:36.36 | fredl | !backports |
| 13:36.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 13:36.39 | fredl | oops |
| 13:37.04 | wols | en1gma: by using 4 braincells on the URL; ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy |
| 13:37.07 | spar256_ | fredl: is the problem as simple as using apt? or it's a problem you've stumbled upon for personal usage? |
| 13:37.10 | CharminTheMoose | where are the packages for etch held? |
| 13:37.21 | en1gma | ty |
| 13:37.23 | wols | CharminTheMoose: in a bank vault |
| 13:37.24 | xtor_ | Whats a quick way of changing all the system messages in linux to slightly different ones? Do I create a new "language" or "environment"? How easily can this be done? |
| 13:37.51 | fredl | spar256_ didn't I already answer that? you asked if these bugs are simple bugs using just apt-get, yah |
| 13:38.04 | fredl | spar256_ and I answered 'yes and no' |
| 13:38.06 | CharminTheMoose | wols, woot! |
| 13:38.21 | spar256_ | fredl: just asking to make sure. i plan on using lenny that's why. |
| 13:38.30 | fredl | spar256_ ok. |
| 13:38.43 | spar256_ | fredl: and i don't want "simple bugs." |
| 13:38.57 | fredl | spar256_, no? you prefer complicated bugs? |
| 13:39.31 | spar256_ | hehe. well, i wouldn't want bugs to begin with. |
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| 13:40.33 | CharminTheMoose | like, what if i wanted to mirror the debian packages in the repository, how would i? |
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| 13:41.57 | fredl | Hmm, this may seem like a rather dense question. But how do I find out if there's a backport of 2.6.22 to lenny already? |
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| 13:42.24 | smhar | wols, when I ping router I get Destination Host Unreachable |
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| 13:43.05 | wols | Snake-eyes: and when you ping google? |
| 13:43.15 | wols | smhar: google's IP that is |
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| 13:43.34 | wols | sually consumer routers don't answer for pings. people feel it's more "secure" |
| 13:44.03 | acu | what is the easiest way to control a vista desktop from debian box ? |
| 13:44.09 | fredl | I'm reading http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 13:44.27 | sine- | how do you add a user to the sudo file |
| 13:44.42 | asg | sine-: visudo |
| 13:44.48 | smhar | wols, how can it reach google if it can not reach the router?!, plus, my router answers pings, I just confirmed from my other pc |
| 13:45.04 | fredl | and I figure I should apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6.22 |
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| 13:45.25 | fredl | if it can't find that package does that mean it's not backported? |
| 13:45.57 | smhar | acu, fdisk or parted :-) |
| 13:46.15 | fredl | or does it mean I'm doing something wrong (I added the backports line to sources.list and ran apt-get update) |
| 13:46.18 | smhar | acu, total control :-) |
| 13:46.23 | kurumin | i have installed the ati driver in kurumin and now i cant boot into kde only fluxbox |
| 13:46.27 | kurumin | why is that |
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| 13:46.45 | wols | smhar: what router is it? |
| 13:47.01 | acu | OK, how to control remotely a vista desktop using debian ? |
| 13:47.19 | spar256 | fredl: does the problem involve using a custom kernel? |
| 13:47.27 | fredl | spar256_ no |
| 13:47.27 | asg | acu: rdesktop should work |
| 13:47.47 | spar256 | fredl: dependencies? |
| 13:47.49 | fredl | well, I need to build the nvidia module and there's an error on 2.6.21 |
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| 13:48.08 | smhar | wols, , and I did try pinging google's ip, but got Network not reachable |
| 13:48.18 | kurumin | anyone |
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| 13:48.27 | smhar | wols, it is a speedtouch |
| 13:48.31 | wols | smhar: your other box a windows PC? |
| 13:48.50 | smhar | wols, no, it is a debian lenny |
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| 13:49.06 | wols | and both systems are connected to an ethernet port on the router? |
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| 13:51.19 | Sajes | I keep getting this weird error.. it's all like "your xserver is misconfigured" but then it displays gdm and stuff.. heres a screenshot http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4931/helloey2.jpg <--- |
| 13:51.40 | smhar | wols, router is connected to an adsl line on one side and on the other side it equally connects to its ethernet ports: (my working debian lenny-this PC-) my etch file server, my dreambox tv receiver, and my -not working- problem pc with debian just installed |
| 13:51.42 | simon | if `id` doesn't mention the group I just added to /etc/group, how do I refresh the system |
| 13:51.57 | simon | (my question-mark key is broken) |
| 13:52.18 | wols | smhar: can you pastebin the /etc/network/interfaces from the wroking debian lenny? |
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| 13:52.21 | gilesww | heya peeps |
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| 13:52.44 | gilesww | i'm trying to optimize my debian install on a fanless nanoitx |
| 13:52.56 | gilesww | it's got a gig of ram so cpu is the main bottleneck |
| 13:53.34 | gilesww | 16.2 0.1 77:45.67 /sbin/brltty -P /var/run/brltty.pid |
| 13:53.35 | gilesww | 16.2 0.1 77:45.67 /sbin/brltty -P /var/run/brltty.pid |
| 13:53.35 | gilesww | btltty spikes with 16% cpu on a regular basis |
| 13:53.46 | gilesww | is there anything I can do about this? |
| 13:53.49 | smhar | wols, it is the same. I copied the interfaces file from the working lenny to the new pc and just modified the static ip: http://paste.debian.net/37804 |
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| 13:54.16 | fredl | Hmmm, I think it's funny that I ask if lenny breaks often and hear that it hardly breaks but what do I find on the first fresh install.... |
| 13:54.21 | fredl | a broken lenny :P |
| 13:54.47 | fredl | seems the nvidia thing is unfixable for now if I read http://www.debian-administration.org/users/ajt/weblog/96 correctly |
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| 13:56.33 | wols | fredl: you don't |
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| 13:58.14 | Sajes | wols, any help? |
| 13:58.49 | wols | Sajes: check your xorg log |
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| 13:59.02 | wols | !ops Sajes pastes goatse urls |
| 13:59.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: Sajes pastes goatse urls |
| 13:59.14 | Sajes | Lies. |
| 13:59.34 | Sajes | :( I did not. |
| 13:59.56 | fredl | wols: huh? |
| 13:59.59 | Sajes | !ops wols lies about me pasting goatse urls. |
| 13:59.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sajes complains about: wols lies about me pasting goatse urls. |
| 13:59.59 | fredl | Turns out that the 100.14.09 nvidia packages have been uploaded to unstable as of Jun 18 |
| 14:00.00 | cloakable | hahahahahaha |
| 14:00.13 | asg | wols: wouldn't it be ironic if Dave2 responded to that !ops |
| 14:00.26 | smhar | wols, could it be the driver problem? |
| 14:00.34 | Sajes | asg, who is Dave2 |
| 14:00.40 | wols | smhar: possibly. not sure |
| 14:01.11 | smhar | wols, OK, I am going to boot knoppix again and check which driver it uses |
| 14:01.28 | wols | it will use e100 driver if you have intel NICs of course |
| 14:01.41 | wols | asg: you seen the goatse too? |
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| 14:02.52 | asg | wols: yes, rather poor resolution image too |
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| 14:04.00 | pipeline | wols: ?? |
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| 14:04.08 | pipeline | wols: Intel and 3com NICs typically go for $3-4 on ebay. |
| 14:04.13 | pipeline | wols: no one is too poor for a good NIC |
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| 14:04.23 | AbsintheSyringe | http://rafb.net/p/ZsuQWW52.html help? |
| 14:04.25 | fredl | shit am I hallucinating here... where did the nvidia-kernel-source go? isn't that in lenny? |
| 14:04.30 | dvs | pipeline: really, they're that cheap now? |
| 14:04.35 | wols | fredl: it's not in lenny, no |
| 14:04.42 | fredl | ehr xqz the language. |
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| 14:04.54 | pipeline | dvs: haha, dude, you can get lots of 10 for $20. |
| 14:05.14 | fredl | well why not wols, according to what I'm reading it has been in unstable since Jun 18th |
| 14:05.38 | pipeline | dvs: Think about it: 100 mbit ethernet has been the standard for 10+ years. What good is any component in a 1994-1997 PC *except* the Intel or 3com NIC that HP/Dell/Compaq thoughtfully installed? |
| 14:05.57 | pipeline | dvs: there are lots and lots and lots of computer recyclers, and the $2-$4 per NIC they get on ebay is a gold mine to them. |
| 14:06.02 | wols | tell fredl why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
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| 14:06.15 | wols | !tell fredl why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 14:06.27 | wols | !tell fredl why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 14:06.37 | wols | !tell fredl about why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 14:06.39 | wols | damn! |
| 14:06.42 | smhar | pipeline, with the trouble I am having now, if the problem is from the 'built-in' network, I will buy a new one for sure |
| 14:06.42 | fredl | haha |
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| 14:07.48 | fredl | good god. |
| 14:08.16 | fredl | that web page does not pass the turing test. |
| 14:08.25 | en1gma | wols those disk floppies are in 1.44 "img" format and im currently in windows. what app will write those images to floppy from in windows |
| 14:08.39 | en1gma | can magiciso do that |
| 14:09.18 | peterS | en1gma: simplest way is with http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/rwwrtwin.zip |
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| 14:09.21 | wols | en1gma: rawwrite perhasp. ask ##windows |
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| 14:09.48 | fredl | wols: all I really want to know is how I get my X working again :) |
| 14:09.57 | peterS | wols: well, rawrtwin.zip _is_ distributed by debian on CDs and mirrors.... |
| 14:09.58 | wols | peterS: now that you're here. check your log for sajes |
| 14:10.01 | fredl | dist-upgrade to Sid would do it? |
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| 14:10.13 | wols | fredl: more bugs. your choice |
| 14:10.30 | Wyzard | fredl: You can install sid's kernel without having to upgrade your whole system to sid |
| 14:10.33 | gilesww | do you have to use brltty on debian? |
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| 14:10.55 | fredl | Wyzard - that's what I just tried figuring out and couldn't figure out how to do it. |
| 14:10.59 | peterS | wols: wtf, goatse? no, I'm not going to click, as they say, you can't unclick |
| 14:11.08 | wols | gilesww: are you blind? |
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| 14:11.20 | fredl | Wyzard - and from what it looks like, I also can't get nvidia-kernel-source for lenny |
| 14:11.25 | Wyzard | fredl: Look up the linux-image and corresponding linux-headers packages on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:11.27 | wols | peterS: it is goatse that imageshack url, ask asg if you want |
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| 14:11.31 | wols | or anyone else who lcicked it |
| 14:11.35 | gilesww | nopez |
| 14:11.48 | gilesww | thats why i was wondering.. |
| 14:11.50 | Wyzard | fredl: Download the .deb files from there, and install with "dpkg -i" |
| 14:11.52 | wols | gilesww: then there is no reason and you went out of your way to install it. blame yourself |
| 14:12.00 | peterS | wols: well, it's plausible, the original was named hello.jpg, this is helloey2.jpg |
| 14:12.02 | Wyzard | fredl: You already have etch's nvidia-kernel-source, and that's all you need |
| 14:12.04 | gilesww | yea I'm not sure how that tha one happend |
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| 14:12.13 | gilesww | so can i apt-get install tty? |
| 14:12.14 | peterS | wols: anyway I see he left, perhaps because a freenode staff joined |
| 14:12.34 | Wyzard | fredl: You could install sid's nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source for a newer version of the driver (with AIGLX support, if you care about that), but that's not necessary to fix your current problem |
| 14:12.34 | fredl | Wyzard - well I removed those thinking I could get the nvidia-kernel-sources from unstable :/ |
| 14:12.51 | Wyzard | fredl: then look up etch's nvidia-kernel-source on packages.debian.org too |
| 14:13.00 | fredl | okay... sounds good enough, I'll try that. Will you be around to help if need be? |
| 14:13.23 | Wyzard | fredl: For a little while, but I'll be leaving before long |
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| 14:13.47 | fredl | Hmm, there is no 2.6.22 on packages.debian.org |
| 14:13.57 | wols | fredl: you still have your old kernel even when installing that one |
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| 14:13.59 | wols | so no worries |
| 14:14.11 | wols | fredl: what cpu do you have? |
| 14:14.14 | bullgard4 | How can I determine if the CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ option was enabled at kernel compile time? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 14:14.20 | fredl | ok. I have a P4 |
| 14:14.30 | asg | bullgard4: grep for it in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:14.31 | wols | !info linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 14:14.34 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686: (Header files for Linux 2.6.22 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-4 (sid), Packaged size: 308 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 14:14.45 | wols | !info linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 14:14.48 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.22-2-686: (Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-4 (sid), Packaged size: 17824 kB, Installed size: 51708 kB |
| 14:14.57 | peterS | wols: we get it, we get it |
| 14:15.19 | DawnLight | what can i use to check the integrity of floppies? |
| 14:15.20 | wols | peterS: but I'm too dumb to paste the right filename |
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| 14:15.27 | wols | DawnLight: fsck? |
| 14:15.36 | bullgard4 | asg: I will do. Thank you. |
| 14:15.45 | Wyzard | fredl: Make sure you pick "unstable" from the dropdown when doing a package search |
| 14:15.50 | peterS | DawnLight: if you just want to see if the whole floppy is readable, try 'cp /dev/fd0 /tmp/fd.img' and see if it succeeds |
| 14:16.00 | Wyzard | fredl: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.22&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
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| 14:16.23 | DawnLight | peterS: why would i have such a file? |
| 14:16.43 | peterS | DawnLight: huh? what file? /dev/fd0 isn't a file, it's a block device connected to your floppy drive |
| 14:17.02 | Wyzard | Well, it's a file, just a special one :-) |
| 14:17.03 | DawnLight | peterS: the other file you've mentioned :-/ |
| 14:17.23 | pipeline | bullgard4: /proc/config.gz |
| 14:17.23 | DawnLight | oh thats the targer |
| 14:17.30 | peterS | DawnLight: ummm. that is the _destination_ file, not the source file. cp is the 'copy' command. it will read /dev/fd0 and write to /tmp/fd.img. |
| 14:17.48 | DawnLight | thanks! |
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| 14:17.57 | peterS | DawnLight: though really if all you want to do is check the floppy for read errors, you could just as well cp it to /dev/null |
| 14:18.07 | tremby | hello folks. got a situation. i wanted to add an existing ext3 partition to a logical volume. the manpage for pvcreate says that only if i want the whole drive to be the physical volume do i lose all data, so i went ahead and ran pvcreate /dev/hdc1. after not being able to figure out the next step, i'm not sure it's possible without losing data -- can i re-convince the partition that it's ext3? i'm sure the data's all intact in there |
| 14:18.35 | fredl | *ugh* ok, I see the kernel image but where'd the friggen download button, it will only let me download the 386 deb even though I'm in the 686 section |
| 14:18.54 | Wyzard | tremby: /dev/hdc1 is the partition containing your ext3 filesystem? |
| 14:19.05 | peterS | tremby: wait you ran pvcreate on a partition that is an ext3 filesystem? no, you can't do what you want that way |
| 14:19.09 | bullgard4 | pipeline: Thank you for hinting. I will follow you advise but only after having followed asg's advise. |
| 14:19.16 | fredl | what a bizarre interface that packages.debian.org has, but anyway... lemme try and fogure that out |
| 14:19.18 | tremby | Wyzard: that's the partition which /was/ ext3 |
| 14:19.26 | peterS | tremby: time to fsck with an alternate superblock ('man e2fsck' for details) |
| 14:19.27 | tremby | and still is -- it just doesn't know it is |
| 14:19.36 | tremby | peterS: can i do this without losing the data? |
| 14:19.42 | Wyzard | tremby: yeah, you probably hosed it by running pvcreate on it |
| 14:19.47 | fredl | Wyzard - check this out http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 14:20.00 | peterS | tremby: not trivially, unless you have enough space elsewhere to copy your data as an intermediate step |
| 14:20.08 | Wyzard | tremby: No, you can't -- you'll need to back up the partition, set up LVM, and restore the data |
| 14:20.09 | fredl | I mean am I hallucinating or is there no link to download the 686 package there? |
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| 14:20.30 | wols | fredl: you are hallucinating :) |
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| 14:20.39 | DawnLight | we all are |
| 14:20.43 | Wyzard | fredl: "i386" means the whole 32-bit x86 port of Debian, as opposed to amd64, ppc, etc. |
| 14:20.47 | fredl | LOL :) |
| 14:20.54 | fredl | ah... |
| 14:20.55 | fredl | ok |
| 14:20.59 | Wyzard | fredl: It doesn't mean specifically a 386 processor, it means the 386 family |
| 14:21.00 | fredl | fair enough, sort of :P |
| 14:21.02 | wols | fredl: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.22-2-686/i386/download |
| 14:21.05 | peterS | tremby: if you have enough space in your lvm already, you can 'lvcreate' a partition big enough to hold your existing one, and then 'cp /dev/hdc1 /dev/vg0/your-new-lv'. (after you've done the fsck on /dev/hdc1 to restore it to an ext3 filesystem) |
| 14:21.51 | peterS | fredl: what's the use of a 686 package nowadays - that's so behind the times - pentium 4 calls itself family 15, not family 6 |
| 14:21.52 | fredl | alright, misunderstanding, but I have the 2.6.22 kernel now :P |
| 14:21.53 | tremby | peterS: let's assume for now that i've changed my mind about the lvm thing -- is it possible just to turn it back into ext3? |
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| 14:22.09 | peterS | tremby: you didn't listen to me earlier when I told you how to do that, why should I repeat myself? |
| 14:22.24 | Wyzard | tremby: e2fsck with an alternate superblock, as peterS said earlier |
| 14:22.34 | tremby | peterS: i'm sorry, it's hard to tell when you're agreeing with Wyzard and when you're talking directly to me |
| 14:22.44 | tremby | that keeps the data? |
| 14:22.49 | peterS | tremby: yes |
| 14:22.56 | tremby | great, i'll man e2fsck |
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| 14:23.03 | Wyzard | tremby: ext3 keeps backup copies of the superblock in several places throughout the filesystem, so it's possible to recover even though the main one has been overwritten by an LVM PV header |
| 14:23.16 | Wyzard | tremby: However, you need to know *where* the backup superblocks are located |
| 14:23.16 | peterS | tremby: yeah see the -b option in particular |
| 14:23.17 | tremby | oh man that's great to hear |
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| 14:23.27 | Wyzard | tremby: and if you don't have them written down already, that can be tricky |
| 14:23.58 | peterS | Wyzard: well, or just assume modern filesystems will all have 4k block size so you use -b 32768 |
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| 14:24.18 | tremby | i'm fairly sure everything's default in this filesystem |
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| 14:24.32 | Wyzard | tremby: mke2fs tells you the backup superblock numbers when creating a filesystem, so you could run "mke2fs -n" on the partition to tell it to pretend to make a filesystem ("-n" makes it not actually write any changes) and look at the backup superblock numbers it shows you |
| 14:24.48 | Silvia | when qemu is runnning, can i make a backup of its file.img without stopping it? |
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| 14:25.21 | tremby | Wyzard: i guess i don't have to worry about writing the wrong sectors to the superblock since i've borked it already -- i can try more than once in case i get it wrong? |
| 14:25.24 | Silvia | or i need to stop qemu and do a cp |
| 14:25.30 | fredl | interesting... got the 2.6.22 kernel installed now... trying to install linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686_2.6.22-4_i386.deb now |
| 14:25.41 | Wyzard | tremby: "mke2fs -n" won't actually modify anything, so you can run it as many times as you like |
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| 14:25.59 | tremby | Wyzard: i meant when i do the e2fsck -b |
| 14:26.01 | Wyzard | tremby: and e2fsck will bail out if it can't find a valid superblock at the location you give it, so you can retry that as much as you want too |
| 14:26.06 | tremby | ah i see |
| 14:26.24 | fredl | but linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686_2.6.22-4_i386.deb depends on linux-headers-2.6.22-2 |
| 14:26.32 | fredl | which is not installed. |
| 14:26.38 | Wyzard | fredl: then download that too |
| 14:26.51 | fredl | good god :P |
| 14:26.55 | fredl | alright alright |
| 14:26.55 | Wyzard | fredl: Yes, you may need to do some manual dependency following |
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| 14:28.15 | spar256 | Wyzard: that's how lenny is? |
| 14:28.30 | Wyzard | spar256: What's how lenny is? |
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| 14:30.06 | fredl | spar256: I already told you I need to do some tweaking for the nvidia driver. |
| 14:30.14 | fredl | not everybody will have to suffer through that :) |
| 14:30.34 | fredl | but anyway, I got the kernel and kernel headers installed now, took some more dependancies, but what the heck |
| 14:30.46 | fredl | now I need a smoke before I go do the rest. brb |
| 14:31.09 | tremby | Wyzard, peterS: mke2fs says it'd store superblocks in 14 places -- i can try any of these? |
| 14:31.17 | Wyzard | tremby: yes |
| 14:31.20 | tremby | great, will do |
| 14:31.23 | tremby | thanks |
| 14:31.45 | peterS | it _is_ odd that after all these years, e2fsck _still_ doesn't have built-in functionality to look for likely places for backup superblocks on its own |
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| 14:32.25 | garo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola |
| 14:33.09 | tremby | peterS: are you sure? the -B option looked like it might do that |
| 14:33.52 | fredl | good, more dopamines to make me feel happy again. all the dopamines had been used up. |
| 14:34.10 | fredl | less serotonin though so I'll get all depressed tonight. |
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| 14:34.19 | fredl | smoking really sucks, no pun intended. |
| 14:34.25 | Wyzard | fredl: less lungs, though |
| 14:34.38 | peterS | tremby: oh, perhaps. I haven't tried it. |
| 14:34.39 | fredl | yeah tell me about it. |
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| 14:35.05 | spar256 | peterS: once you start, you can't stop. |
| 14:35.09 | Wyzard | hmm, interesting... I'll have to try that -B option somtime |
| 14:35.18 | fredl | so I can't find nvidia-kernel-sources on packages.debian.org |
| 14:35.21 | peterS | spar256: eh? e2fsck is not addictive |
| 14:35.33 | peterS | spar256: I mean, not if you just run it once |
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| 14:35.45 | fredl | oops one s too many |
| 14:35.47 | peterS | it's a harmless thing to try |
| 14:36.30 | tremby | e2fsck's seems to be doing a full filesystem check now... |
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| 14:36.44 | iguanna | !tell iguanna ssh |
| 14:37.01 | peterS | iguanna: simpler to just say /msg dpkg ssh |
| 14:37.03 | garo | !tell iguanna about ssh |
| 14:37.10 | iguanna | thanks |
| 14:37.18 | fredl | do I need to be actually running 2.6.22 to build nvidia-kernel-source ? |
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| 14:37.54 | fredl | well lemme just try it. |
| 14:38.30 | fredl | well I guess I need to actually be running it, damn it. |
| 14:38.32 | fredl | ok |
| 14:38.41 | Wyzard | fredl: No, you don't |
| 14:38.54 | fredl | well it still gives the same error message as before |
| 14:39.01 | Wyzard | fredl: You can use module-assistant's "-l" option to tell it what kernel version to build for |
| 14:39.09 | Wyzard | fredl: It defaults to the running kernel if you don't specify one with "-l" |
| 14:39.12 | peterS | it's surely _possible_ to build a kernel module for a kernel you aren't currently running ... question is whether the package makes it easy to do so |
| 14:39.13 | fredl | uhh... oh okay |
| 14:39.21 | ledestin | I'm trying to make /tmp to be on a separate partition. It seems that /tmp must be chmod'ed after mount. If a Debian was installed with /tmp partition separate, where would it put chmod? Or where is the best place to put it? |
| 14:39.26 | tremby | i've got "Free blocks count wrong for group #11 (12074, counted=3)." -- this seems an enormous anomaly |
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| 14:39.38 | Wyzard | fredl: so you'd use something like "module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel -l 2.6.22-2-686" |
| 14:39.41 | spar256 | fredl: so it was just a problem with the kernel. |
| 14:39.47 | spar256 | fredl: not the packages. |
| 14:39.57 | peterS | ledestin: no need unless it is a tmpfs or something |
| 14:40.20 | peterS | ledestin: I mean, if it's not a tmpfs, you only have to chmod it once, the first time you mount it |
| 14:40.34 | fredl | yes spar256 |
| 14:40.45 | fredl | aha, it has built now |
| 14:40.53 | deadcat | yay, nvidia problem fixed. |
| 14:40.53 | wols | if one apt-get source linux-image-blah, how to create the debs? why idn't make-kpkg working as expected? |
| 14:40.57 | fredl | there is light at the end of the tunnel |
| 14:41.00 | ledestin | peterS: hah. wow. That's non-intuitive :) I'll try it, thanks. |
| 14:42.07 | Wyzard | ledestin: It's quite intuitive... permissions are stored in the filesystem, so if you aren't recreating the filesystem every time you mount it (i.e. tmpfs or whatever), you don't have to re-set the permissions every time |
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| 14:42.49 | ledestin | Wyzard: ok, thanks a lot! |
| 14:42.52 | jujo | hello |
| 14:43.10 | jujo | can somebody help me with ssh port forwarding?? |
| 14:43.24 | wols | how to create a kerel from debian kernel sources? is there a special make-kpkg incantation compared to vanilla sources? |
| 14:43.27 | tremby | Wyzard, peterS: it worked! thanks so much! |
| 14:43.40 | peterS | and if it _is_ tmpfs, put 'mode=01777' in the flags field in /etc/fstab |
| 14:43.44 | wols | jujo: never ask to ask |
| 14:43.44 | peterS | tremby: great |
| 14:43.49 | Wyzard | wols: I don't think Debian's kernel packages are actually built with make-kpkg... the maintainer uses some other process |
| 14:44.09 | jujo | ko |
| 14:44.11 | jujo | ok |
| 14:44.12 | wols | Wyzard: and how would I do it then. I tried make-kpkg and dpkg-buildpackage. both failed |
| 14:44.14 | tremby | i'll get a new drive so i can eventually add this stuff to the lvm group the proper way :) |
| 14:44.32 | fredl | shoot, I need nvidia-glx too I guess. |
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| 14:44.41 | Wyzard | wols: dunno, sorry... I'm surprised if dpkg-buildpackage doesn't work though |
| 14:44.56 | wols | Wyzard: dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open ./linux-2.6-2.6.22/debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 14:44.57 | DawnLight | jujo: <Wyzard> DawnLight: then: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost> |
| 14:45.05 | fredl | almost there :) |
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| 14:45.56 | fredl | ok, I'm in deep doodoo here now. |
| 14:45.59 | jujo | i do it but it doesn`t work |
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| 14:46.06 | jujo | i do that: ssh -L 1000:localhost:2049 root@192.168.1.38 |
| 14:46.07 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 14:46.07 | wols | !tell jujo about doesn't work |
| 14:46.10 | fredl | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-glx: |
| 14:46.10 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.10 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.34 | fredl | this spells trouble. |
| 14:46.36 | Wyzard | fredl: Maybe unstable's nvidia packages don't work with testing's xorg |
| 14:46.45 | peterS | jujo: binding to local port 1000 requires being root on the local machine |
| 14:46.51 | fredl | looks like it Wyzard. |
| 14:47.07 | jujo | i`m root when i do that |
| 14:47.13 | wols | fredl: why can't you use etch nvidia packages? |
| 14:47.15 | peterS | jujo: also I don't know if I'd use 2049, that's a traditional port to be used with NFS |
| 14:47.25 | Wyzard | fredl: I'd recommend using etch's nvidia packages instead, but IIRC those don't work with testing's xorg either |
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| 14:47.45 | jujo | yes i`m trying to cipher NFS with SSH |
| 14:48.08 | Wyzard | fredl: You may need to upgrade xorg to unstable as well |
| 14:48.10 | fredl | wols, I can't install etch's nvidia-glx and sid's nvidia-kernel-source |
| 14:48.16 | peterS | jujo: oh - I don't think it's that simple, you need to talk to your local portmapper as well to tell _it_ that you have nfs running on port 1000 |
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| 14:48.30 | wols | fredl: no but you can install etchs nvidia-kernel-source and glx |
| 14:48.59 | Wyzard | wols: won't work... etch's nvidia-glx has the xorg driver built in a binary format that the newer xorg no longer supports |
| 14:49.26 | Wyzard | Someone else had a problem with that a few days ago |
| 14:49.41 | Wyzard | .o rather than .so, IIRC |
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| 14:49.53 | DawnLight | is there a reason why copying to floppies takes so damn long?? |
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| 14:50.00 | Wyzard | DawnLight: floppies are slow |
| 14:50.04 | wols | yes. floppies suck |
| 14:50.12 | wols | 500kbit/s transferspeed fromt he controller |
| 14:50.20 | wols | some models 1000kbit/s |
| 14:50.46 | peterS | the floppy disk spins at, what, 300 rpm? that's 5 revolutions per second. so with 80 tracks, the theoretical maximum speed you could get is 16 seconds. in practice you can't go near that. |
| 14:51.04 | DawnLight | its taking me a few minutes |
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| 14:51.22 | jujo | peterS: i`ve pasted a post with my actions:http://nopaste.com/p/aAybldekJ |
| 14:51.29 | peterS | DawnLight: are you just copying a whole image, with 'cp /dev/fd.img /dev/fd0'? or are you mounting the floppy and copying one file at a time? |
| 14:51.33 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Yep, that's normal... this is part of why floppies are rarely used anymore |
| 14:51.38 | DawnLight | and kde displays "stalled" part of the time |
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| 14:52.32 | jujo | peterS: the error that i get is: mount.nfs: localhost:/home/jujo/nfs failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 14:53.35 | peterS | jujo: 'status' and 'nlockmgr' are useful too. though I don't know how to bypass portmapper for those. also, try with nfsvers=3, which might be required in order to use tcp |
| 14:53.43 | peterS | jujo: also, you can use multiple -L for a single ssh command line |
| 14:53.45 | DawnLight | i'll checksum it. whats that command? |
| 14:54.02 | DawnLight | md5sum! |
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| 14:55.38 | jujo | peterS: i dont know whats status and nlockmgr |
| 14:56.02 | peterS | jujo: 'nlockmgr' is for file locking over NFS. 'status' is another helper protocol whose details I can't remember |
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| 14:56.36 | jujo | peterS:ok thank you i`ll try it |
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| 14:57.00 | _gpg_ | is it possible to install emacs 22 or 23(snapshot) on debian etch please ? |
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| 14:58.18 | wols | _gpg_: try backports |
| 14:58.26 | _gpg_ | wols ty |
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| 14:59.18 | smhar | wols, OK, I think I know what is the problem with my network controller, it is something to do with the kernel, The Knoppix I am using, an old one, is using kernel 2.4.something and every thing works |
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| 15:00.15 | jujo | peterS: it has been a pleasure to speak with you |
| 15:00.21 | jujo | peetrS: good bye |
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| 15:00.31 | peterS | good luck with your nfs tunneling, I don't know if it's even possible |
| 15:00.49 | smhar | wols, now, if this the case, it means I will install debian with kernel 2.4 and then upgrade to 2.6... sounds simple? problems? |
| 15:01.01 | wols | smhar: yes. not possible |
| 15:01.04 | jujo | peterS: if something is possible, it is in Linux |
| 15:01.08 | jujo | bye |
| 15:01.08 | wols | etch comes with 2.6.18 only |
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| 15:01.27 | wols | jujo: but maybe not the way you do it. maybe look into openvpn or such |
| 15:01.50 | smhar | wols, so I need to install sarge and then upgrade to etch then lenny? |
| 15:01.54 | Wyzard | smhar: Why would you install Debian with 2.4? |
| 15:02.03 | Wyzard | smhar: rather, why do you think you need to? |
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| 15:02.10 | wols | smhar: what would that help you? |
| 15:02.22 | wols | when you upgrade to etch you run the same kernel as the installer |
| 15:02.31 | Noname | Anyone using Ninan? |
| 15:03.31 | smhar | Wyzard, wols it is this bloody network controller that seems to be recognized correctly only in 2.4 kernels!!! I do not have the time tonight to shop for a network card |
| 15:03.37 | wols | !anyone use Ninan |
| 15:03.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses Ninan, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:03.43 | Wyzard | smhar: What type of network controller? |
| 15:04.06 | Wyzard | smhar: oh, was it that Realtek thing? |
| 15:04.14 | h3sp4wn | smhar: You cannot use lenny with a 2.4 kernel (unless you use the kernel from RHEL3 or something similar) |
| 15:04.17 | wols | Wyzard: he said e100 |
| 15:04.31 | Wyzard | OK, I must be thinking of someone else then |
| 15:04.44 | Wyzard | 2.6 has an e100 module |
| 15:05.19 | h3sp4wn | It has more than one |
| 15:05.29 | smhar | Wyzard, wols I was thinking that after the system completely installs I will compile a custom 2.6 kernel |
| 15:05.31 | Wyzard | smhar: You can get a 100mbit Realtek card for around $5 USD |
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| 15:09.40 | anunah | How can I downgrade the Xorg from 7.3 to 7.2? |
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| 15:10.54 | eNtRoPiA | anunah: why do u want downgrade to 7.2? |
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| 15:11.21 | spar256 | i seem to be overwhelmed with the amount of packages. why would i want, say 20% installed in one system? |
| 15:11.25 | claudio` | Can i switch to sid and coming back to etch again, if i want? |
| 15:11.33 | anunah | <eNtRoPiA> because fglrx driver doesn't work with 7.3 |
| 15:11.35 | Eulex | anunah, you get the 7.2 package(s) and install it. |
| 15:11.42 | Eulex | claudio`, no. not without a reinstall. |
| 15:11.52 | claudio` | Eulex: mmh.. |
| 15:11.59 | eNtRoPiA | why? |
| 15:12.01 | eNtRoPiA | :) |
| 15:12.02 | anunah | <Eulex> if so, what about dependecies& |
| 15:12.05 | claudio` | Eulex: just to know, what is your current version? ;) |
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| 15:12.15 | eNtRoPiA | u cant install the driver? |
| 15:12.17 | Eulex | anunah, you fix that manually. |
| 15:12.21 | eNtRoPiA | what is the error? |
| 15:12.28 | Eulex | claudio`, I use lenny. |
| 15:12.42 | claudio` | Eulex: for both software and security patch? |
| 15:12.42 | anunah | <eNtRoPiA>I have installed, but it doesn't work |
| 15:12.54 | L0cKn | hello all :-) |
| 15:12.59 | claudio` | L0cKn: hola |
| 15:13.04 | L0cKn | claudio`: :-) |
| 15:13.10 | spar256 | anunah: what you need fglrx for? |
| 15:13.17 | eNtRoPiA | the error please :) |
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| 15:13.28 | Eulex | claudio`, yes. |
| 15:13.45 | Noname | http://pastebin.com/d56d24d14 Thats the error i get when i try to install Java |
| 15:13.53 | Noname | Anyone who can help me out |
| 15:14.01 | Eulex | anunah, why are you running unstable if you can't solve this yourself. |
| 15:14.02 | Eulex | ? |
| 15:14.06 | anunah | (EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (2) |
| 15:14.09 | Merlin-- | hello guys how can I using squid lower Ram Consumption and focus more on HDD space ? |
| 15:14.13 | spar256 | Noname: Java sux. |
| 15:14.26 | anunah | <spar256> it doesn't matter, just i want |
| 15:14.29 | Wyzard | Noname: "jre-1.5.0_12-fcs.i586" is not a Debian package... is that Sun's RPM or something? |
| 15:14.53 | claudio` | Eulex: i need the 2.6.22 kernel due to a problem with my windbond chipset module. Do you suggest me to upgrade to lenny or just compile my own kernel? |
| 15:15.00 | eNtRoPiA | uh! |
| 15:15.02 | claudio` | Eulex: i don't need a new kernel for others things, indeed. |
| 15:15.04 | Noname | Wyzard: Yes its from Sun's page - i cant find any Java in the cahed apt |
| 15:15.15 | Wyzard | Noname: It's in non-free |
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| 15:15.26 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 15:15.47 | Noname | Wyzard - Can i pm you for a second? |
| 15:15.52 | Wyzard | Noname: What for? |
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| 15:16.17 | Eulex | claudio`, 2.6.22 isn't in lenny. but well, you could probably get the kernel image from unstable and install it on stable. if that won't work, compile it yourself. |
| 15:16.23 | anunah | <Eulex> hmmm... I am solving right now... I just have not enought experience |
| 15:16.28 | Noname | About the Java, how i switch over to nonfree and asking you if u used Java :) |
| 15:16.29 | Merlin-- | guys can anyone help me with this ? how can I using squid lower Ram Consumption and focus more on HDD space ? |
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| 15:16.39 | Wyzard | Noname: Add non-free to your sources.list, and then you can install the sun-java* packages |
| 15:16.44 | claudio` | Eulex: mmh.. yes, okay. I'll try, THX |
| 15:17.11 | spar256 | Merlin--: you don't wanna do that. |
| 15:17.17 | anunah | <Eule> I can't uderstand, why /etc/apt/preferences editing doesn't help |
| 15:17.37 | Merlin-- | spar256 ... enlighten me :) |
| 15:18.03 | spar256 | Merlin--: because... i know you don't wanna do that. |
| 15:18.06 | Eulex | anunah, you're apt-pinning and have added testing sources to your sources.list? |
| 15:18.34 | anunah | no, I just pinning xorg and xserver-xorg versions |
| 15:18.41 | anunah | to 7.2 |
| 15:18.42 | Merlin-- | spar256 could swap help ? |
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| 15:19.07 | Eulex | anunah, and how would that work when 7.2 isn't in unstable anymore, and you haven't got 7.2 installed anymore? |
| 15:19.59 | spar256 | Merlin--: swap will help. |
| 15:20.27 | Intensity | Hi. Is there a way to grab a snapshot of the memory that a running process is using? I tried cat /proc/${PID}/mem as root and it gave: No such process. |
| 15:20.30 | Eulex | anunah, that said, the debs of 7.2 might still be cached on your system -- just find them and dpkg -i them. if they aren't get them from snapshot.debian.net or testing, and dpkg -i them. or add testing sources, apt-pin them and apt-get install package/testing them |
| 15:20.47 | Merlin-- | spar256 how can I make swap help :) I have 2 geg ram they were filling up while swap is empty |
| 15:20.53 | xtor_ | Someone give me the best nntp client for Linux...something really sexy. Klibido doesn't seem to work well :( |
| 15:21.21 | spar256 | Merlin--: what you wanna do? |
| 15:21.30 | wols | !tell Merlin-- about free ram |
| 15:21.46 | spar256 | !tell me about free ram |
| 15:21.55 | wols | !tell spar256 about selftell |
| 15:22.03 | DawnLight | "Never before has innovation offered |
| 15:22.03 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.03 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.05 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.06 | DawnLight | sorry |
| 15:22.34 | wols | adker: the keywoard is "promise". he said nothing about delivering it |
| 15:22.35 | DawnLight | didn't know my client would seperate the lines |
| 15:22.46 | Merlin-- | I want to use this machine ultimately for cashing |
| 15:22.47 | DawnLight | exactly |
| 15:22.50 | Wyzard | xtor_: There's an NNTP client called Pan which I've used (years ago) and it seemed decent |
| 15:23.04 | anunah | <Eulex> Oh... It seems that testing reps are commented in my sources list... |
| 15:23.09 | Wyzard | xtor_: It's GTK rather than QT though |
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| 15:23.40 | Wyzard | anunah: Why are you downgrading xorg anyway? (downgrades aren't really supported, and can cause breakage in some cases) |
| 15:23.57 | Merlin-- | spar256 I want to use all the resources possible on this machine for cashing purposes to serve better internet (70 users) |
| 15:24.25 | spar256 | Merlin--: you're a service provider? |
| 15:24.34 | anunah | <Wyzard> because I want to use fglrx driver instead ati |
| 15:24.39 | _gpg_ | does lenny have security updates ? |
| 15:24.40 | Merlin-- | well yep |
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| 15:24.52 | wols | !tell _gpg_ about security |
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| 15:24.55 | Merlin-- | spar256 yes |
| 15:24.56 | Wyzard | anunah: ah, and fglrx doesn't work with 7.3 yet? |
| 15:25.11 | anunah | It looks like that |
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| 15:25.16 | spar256 | Merlin--: you grab as much daemons as possible and serve for any kind of need. that's my idea of cashing in. |
| 15:25.17 | Wyzard | anunah: Next month's release of the driver will, I believe, so you might just want to use the free driver for a few weeks |
| 15:25.26 | _gpg_ | wols lenny |
| 15:25.51 | _gpg_ | wols i know that etch has security updates, what about the testing ? |
| 15:25.53 | xtor_ | wyzard PAN does not seem to be in the debian arcs |
| 15:25.53 | piuiabacaxi | Hi. Is it possible to query the installed packages (automatically or not) that have no Dependent package? |
| 15:25.59 | Wyzard | _gpg_: testing doesn't get security support until close to release time |
| 15:26.07 | wols | _gpg_: read ALL of it before you talk again |
| 15:26.07 | _gpg_ | Wyzard ok |
| 15:26.20 | _gpg_ | !tell _gpg_ about security |
| 15:26.37 | Merlin-- | spar256 ... sorry but can you tell me more? I didnt understand how that can be done |
| 15:26.38 | wols | Wyzard: there still is a security repo |
| 15:26.45 | Wyzard | xtor_: Yes it is... package name "pan" |
| 15:26.50 | _gpg_ | !tell _gpg_ about testing security |
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| 15:27.07 | Wyzard | wols: but does it actually get updates put into it by the security team? |
| 15:27.26 | wols | Wyzard: no clue actually :) |
| 15:27.33 | spar256 | Merlin--: what hardware do you have? |
| 15:27.39 | Wyzard | I don't think it does, unless they've changed the policy recently |
| 15:27.51 | wols | once upn a time I was told there are no security updates at all for testing and sid. but what do I know. see how there is a repo for it |
| 15:28.12 | spar256 | anyone dual boot? |
| 15:28.14 | Merlin-- | spar256 70 geg disk 2 geg ram |
| 15:28.28 | gilesww | to replace the version of getty I'm using on debian do I edit the /etc/inittab? |
| 15:28.37 | gilesww | or is there a dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:28.43 | xtor_ | Oh gosh I found PAN...its supposed to look like forte |
| 15:28.45 | spar256 | Merlin--: what's your connection? |
| 15:28.45 | xtor_ | nice |
| 15:28.54 | wols | gilesww: you install a different getty. that's all |
| 15:28.58 | wols | gilesww: using apt-get |
| 15:29.16 | gilesww | yea I apt-getted fgetty |
| 15:29.36 | gilesww | but the inittab still refers to /sbin/getty |
| 15:29.40 | Merlin-- | spar256 P4 3.2GHz 2MB L2 Cache |
| 15:30.18 | spar256 | Merlin--: the best thing i think you could do is have sshd. |
| 15:30.38 | spar256 | Merlin--: offering shell accounts and ftp access would broaden your horizons. |
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| 15:30.59 | _gpg_ | je ne sais pas si c'est une mentalité chez les debianists : mais entre debian-fr ou dans le topic si t'as besoin d'aide, demande à ta mama ! |
| 15:31.03 | _gpg_ | crap |
| 15:31.04 | Merlin-- | spar256 connection 512/2m |
| 15:31.05 | _gpg_ | sorry |
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| 15:32.40 | Merlin-- | spar256 clients go up to 150 customers |
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| 15:32.59 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
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| 15:33.03 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 15:33.21 | asarch | Is there any way to install automatically all the packages suggested and recommended by apt-get? |
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| 15:33.54 | nikei | hola |
| 15:33.58 | nikei | msorry |
| 15:34.01 | nikei | sorry |
| 15:34.03 | nikei | hi |
| 15:34.11 | asarch | Hi! |
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| 15:34.24 | nikei | i have a one video with blender internal |
| 15:34.34 | nikei | but the lights seems dance |
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| 15:34.46 | Piet | what's the command, on debian, to identify the debian release version(s) all the installed packages belong to, again? i'm trying to fix a system which seems to have packages installed from different debian versions. i believe this (or a similar) command is included in some debian development package |
| 15:34.59 | nikei | sorry |
| 15:35.08 | nikei | i go to blender channel |
| 15:35.45 | Piet | ah, found it, apt-show-versions |
| 15:35.48 | pipeline | Piet: dpkg doesn't understand "release," only apt does. |
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| 15:40.11 | claudio` | hey |
| 15:40.58 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.23 | spar256 | what's the app that runs Windows on Linux? |
| 15:41.36 | spar256 | Wine? |
| 15:41.42 | surrounder | yes |
| 15:41.44 | wols | !wine |
| 15:41.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 15:41.49 | Gathond | spar256: wine runs windows software on linux |
| 15:42.05 | asarch | 5 |
| 15:42.11 | Gathond | spar256: if that was what you meant, it does not as such run windows itself, vmware and Qemu can do that |
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| 15:42.31 | Noname | Wyzard: Now i installed Java, but ran into another problem i need 1.5 or higher and it installed 1.4.2 - Any ideas howto get 1.5+ |
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| 15:42.35 | spar256 | IC. yes, vmware. is there another alternative? |
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| 15:44.26 | wols | spar256: sevreal |
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| 15:46.52 | Wyzard | Noname: You're running etch, right? |
| 15:47.08 | wols | spar256: kvm, xen, virtualbox, bochs, etc |
| 15:47.25 | Wyzard | Noname: The Sun Java packages in etch are Java 5 -- the packages are sun-java5-* |
| 15:47.40 | spar256 | wols: kvm is included in 2.6.20+, yes? |
| 15:48.21 | Wyzard | Noname: You might also have the GNU Java implementation installed, so to make your /usr/bin/java point to Sun Java, use update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:49.05 | Noname | Wyzard: i did export JAVA_HOME=/usr/bin/java |
| 15:49.29 | Wyzard | Noname: That's not the right setting for JAVA_HOME, and you don't need to set JAVA_HOME manually anyway |
| 15:49.44 | Noname | Wyzard: Oki |
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| 15:51.23 | Noname | Wyzard: Upgrading Sarge to Etch now.. Hope it works soon ;) |
| 15:52.02 | spar256 | wols: is openvz also one? |
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| 15:52.06 | claudio` | Does exists a free (as in freedom) Flash(TM) suite on GNU/Linux? |
| 15:52.19 | transvaal_ | isn`t there a xen kernel with support to powernow? |
| 15:52.44 | Wyzard | claudio`: There's gnash, but it doesn't work very well from what I've seen |
| 15:53.03 | claudio` | Wyzard: ah |
| 15:53.15 | Wyzard | claudio`: I think there are one or two others, but Adobe Flash is the only "good" implementation currently |
| 15:53.25 | claudio` | Wyzard: i would like to realize some basic cartoon in flash (not web site, of course). Don't have any way to do it? |
| 15:53.39 | claudio` | Wyzard: yes, that's the only one i know a bit, indeed. |
| 15:54.21 | Wyzard | claudio`: Try gnash and/or look around for other free players |
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| 15:55.01 | claudio` | Wyzard: okay, i'll try it. THX |
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| 15:59.23 | Noname | Wyzard: Still no luck, when i try to install it says i already have the newst version and if i do java -version it says 1.4.2_15-b02 |
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| 15:59.55 | Wyzard | Noname: Do you have sun-java5-jre installed? |
| 16:00.25 | Noname | Wyzard: Yes |
| 16:00.46 | Wyzard | Noname: And did you use update-java-alternatives like I said? |
| 16:01.28 | Wyzard | Noname: You can have several JREs installed at the same time... the alternatives system is used to select which one actually gets used when you run "java" |
| 16:02.06 | Noname | Wyzard: No i havent, do i run it like java update-java-alternatives |
| 16:02.51 | iguanna | i am looking for a qdevelop package in debian but nothing found, how is possible what it doesnt exist? |
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| 16:03.22 | Wyzard | Noname: I don't remember offhand... check the manpage, or just try it |
| 16:03.26 | RT^ | Hi |
| 16:03.55 | RT^ | I've just installed (apt-get) courier-maildrop, and have a problem with it, whats the default 'trusted-user' or group that is encoded in the package? |
| 16:04.10 | RT^ | can i change this with some option during installation ? |
| 16:05.22 | jetscreamer | qt-dev maybe |
| 16:05.32 | Wyzard | Noname: OK, looks like you want "update-java-alternatives --set /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun" |
| 16:06.16 | Wyzard | Noname: "update-java-alternatives" gives you a list of available JREs and the path that you should give to the --set option to select each one |
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| 16:08.52 | Noname | Wyzard: Trying it out now :) |
| 16:08.59 | seon | how can i change my keyboard layout in console mode |
| 16:09.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure console-data seon |
| 16:09.21 | Noname | Wyzard: Worked! i got 1.5 now :) |
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| 16:10.12 | Wyzard | Noname: If you have an older version of Sun Java installed, (as opposed to java-gcj), consider uninstalling it since you probably don't need it anymore |
| 16:10.18 | fredl | well that was dramatic. Getting all the help I've been getting to get my nvidia card to work on lenny and *poof* just as I get it to work my network connection cuts out. |
| 16:10.32 | seon | jetscreamer> good is ok now |
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| 16:10.43 | jetscreamer | yay team |
| 16:10.48 | sileni1 | hi guys |
| 16:10.52 | fredl | Wyzard - I got it to work by --force-depend the nvidia-glx package |
| 16:10.52 | Noname | Wyzard: Okay thanks for your time and great help :) |
| 16:10.57 | sileni1 | anyone in here use bcm43xx wireless? |
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| 16:11.20 | wols | !anyone use bcm43xx wireless? |
| 16:11.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses bcm43xx wireless, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:11.35 | seon | jetscreamer> do you know what is kind of vnc server is works well |
| 16:11.37 | fredl | Wyzard - but it's all in vain :) there's apparently many more packages that, for some reason, depend on xorg :P |
| 16:11.48 | jetscreamer | no seon never touched it |
| 16:11.58 | jetscreamer | !vnc |
| 16:11.58 | dpkg | methinks vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
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| 16:12.20 | fredl | Wyzard, thanks for your time though and the same to wols |
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| 16:13.38 | fredl | I mean, explain this to me, how could mysql-server depend on xorg? |
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| 16:14.28 | Nuxis | hey, I don't have sound and I used a usb-device I neither has sound on windows too any ideas? :s |
| 16:14.36 | Wyzard | fredl: it doesn't |
| 16:14.38 | Nuxis | I tried much |
| 16:14.42 | Wyzard | fredl: though something it depends on might depend on xlibs |
| 16:15.14 | fredl | Wyzard, something like that yeah. Thing is when I started force-depend'ing the nividia-glx tons of things got grumpy :) |
| 16:15.19 | Wyzard | fredl: but it doesn't look like even that is the case in etch |
| 16:15.45 | Wyzard | fredl: Using --force-depends is a bad idea |
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| 16:15.55 | fredl | well I wasn't in etch anymore, I was already in lenny with some forced packages from sid |
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| 16:16.25 | wols | !tell Nuxis about alsa checklist |
| 16:16.32 | fredl | so screw it, I'll just go to sid ;) |
| 16:16.34 | wols | Nuxis: could also be your usb device isn't supported by linux |
| 16:16.39 | Wyzard | fredl: Use --force-depends for *temporarily* violating dependencies that you'll be satisfying soon afterward, not to just ignore dependencies when they're inconvenient to you |
| 16:16.54 | wols | fredl: there will be mor breaages tho. just be warned |
| 16:16.56 | Nuxis | wols: it is suported it worked last time |
| 16:17.02 | Nuxis | wols: I check the alsa-checklist tnx |
| 16:17.08 | Wyzard | fredl: That just breaks other things, that can't be automatically detected like dependency violations can |
| 16:17.14 | fredl | wols - when upgrading to sid you mean? |
| 16:17.20 | wols | fredl: yes |
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| 16:17.26 | fredl | lovely. |
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| 16:17.27 | spq | i have a problem with lvm, i have two volume groups with the same name and i cant mount the second one. how to solve this? |
| 16:17.38 | Wyzard | fredl: You shouldn't need to force-depends things when upgrading to sid |
| 16:17.44 | fredl | well I'll deal with it when I get there. |
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| 16:18.11 | fredl | Wyzard, nope, not force-depending while upgrading to sid. I did that only on nvidia-glx when I was still in lenny |
| 16:18.15 | Wyzard | spq: You could try renaming the volume group, and hopefully it'll only rename the first one |
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| 16:18.38 | Wyzard | spq: or temporarily disconnecting the disks that constitute one of the two VGs |
| 16:19.03 | snowbird | liable |
| 16:19.04 | Wyzard | spq: I put hostnames into my VG names to avoid that sort of problem, btw, in case I ever have to take some disks from one box and put them into another |
| 16:19.52 | spq | Wyzard, i cant disconnecct the disc :/ |
| 16:20.09 | spq | and i cant rename because of some lvs are still in use |
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| 16:21.42 | RT^ | when i do 'maildrop -d USer@host' as root the everything is fine, but when i do it as vmail user then insted of homedir from mysql it users vmail homedir: /home/vmail |
| 16:21.47 | fredl | I'm just learning how to use lvm as my media server has 3 disks totalling 520GB |
| 16:21.51 | RT^ | and i dont know why... mysql query returns good homedir (i've seen it with -V 9 option) but it uses /home/vmail dir |
| 16:24.14 | _pepo_ | is there other linux distribution to administer the connection of my LAN to my ISP (shaping, firewall, mail, clamav etc.) just like Ebox |
| 16:24.34 | valdyn | spq: use vgrename ? |
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| 16:28.46 | fredl | this is strange... looks to me like a mirror isn't up to date |
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| 16:30.03 | fredl | would you use unstable in sources.list or sid? |
| 16:30.15 | xand | they're the same |
| 16:30.16 | wols | either |
| 16:30.16 | valdyn | fredl: does not matter |
| 16:31.45 | jetscreamer | if it was testing or lenny you asked about, it would matter when lenny goes stable...but not sid. |
| 16:31.55 | fredl | 'k |
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| 16:32.55 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 16:33.20 | DukeDrake | I want to set up a tftp server.... but got absolutely no clue %) |
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| 16:33.31 | fredl | hmm where do I find a list of mirrors in .nl? |
| 16:33.46 | fredl | oh wait got it |
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| 16:40.23 | xerophyte | I have USB external seagate drive, i can mount using mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt .. but when i try to mount using fstab .. it does not want to mount .. does anybody know why .. i have even labelled using e2label .. still not working |
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| 16:43.44 | jetscreamer | permissions |
| 16:43.50 | jetscreamer | is it vfat? |
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| 16:46.13 | wintix | how would one find out how much space all *.flac files in many subdirs in the audio folder need? i'm unable to get find to speak to du or to get du to take wildcards. any ideas? |
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| 16:50.15 | nomatter001 | hi |
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| 16:50.48 | nomatter001 | how can i tell aptitude to don't update nvidia-glx |
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| 16:52.29 | jetscreamer | put it on hold nomasteryoda |
| 16:52.31 | push | hallo i m having big update problem with synaptic |
| 16:52.31 | jetscreamer | err |
| 16:52.34 | jetscreamer | nomatter001: |
| 16:52.40 | fredl | anybody know how to get autologin on gdm? |
| 16:52.56 | jetscreamer | go into login manager properties on the system menu |
| 16:53.22 | jetscreamer | or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf properly.. and they made it harder to know what to put in there |
| 16:53.49 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 16:53.49 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 16:53.56 | asarch | What the NTP server for Debian? |
| 16:54.00 | push | synaptic trying to remove main essential packages..... any solution ? |
| 16:54.17 | jetscreamer | ntp iirc |
| 16:54.20 | jetscreamer | !ntp |
| 16:54.20 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 16:54.25 | nomatter001 | jetscreamer what should i do? |
| 16:54.39 | push | dpkg: ok |
| 16:55.18 | jetscreamer | put it on hold... you use H in dselect, not sure about aptitude... man aptitude, hit the / for search, type the word 'hold' |
| 16:55.30 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 16:55.30 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 16:55.50 | nomatter001 | ok th |
| 16:56.12 | jetscreamer | !hold |
| 16:56.12 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 16:56.20 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 16:57.00 | bullgard4 | !blootbot |
| 16:57.00 | dpkg | blootbot is probably a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
| 16:57.53 | nomatter001 | it don't helps |
| 16:58.06 | nomatter001 | when i type aptitude install (enter) |
| 16:58.08 | nomatter001 | i get: |
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| 16:58.12 | push | ah its giving warnig it will render system unusable..... |
| 16:58.16 | nomatter001 | Remove the following packages: |
| 16:58.16 | nomatter001 | nvidia-glx |
| 16:58.17 | nomatter001 | Leave the following dependencies unresolved: |
| 16:58.17 | nomatter001 | nvidia-kernel-source recommends nvidia-glx (>= 100.14.11) |
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| 16:58.19 | Matic`Makovec | Hey there. So I have this debian server and 16GB of free space as du says but the problem is /var/spool/ has only little part of it avalible it seems as the /var/spool/mail is supposed to be full (postfix says insufficient system storage) |
| 16:58.28 | Matic`Makovec | Anyideas why and how to correct this? |
| 16:58.52 | wols | Matic`Makovec: is /var on the same partiton as the rest? |
| 16:59.12 | wols | and you can create files everywhere but in /var? |
| 16:59.17 | Matic`Makovec | Ouh, I think it should be (long time since I installed this system). I'll recheck fstab |
| 16:59.22 | wols | nomasteryoda: testing? |
| 16:59.48 | Matic`Makovec | wols, yup, seems to be on the same partition |
| 17:00.29 | wols | and you can create files everywhere but in /var? |
| 17:01.06 | Matic`Makovec | Well I can create files in /var as it has couple of KBs of space avalible |
| 17:01.27 | jetscreamer | ooo 2kb of space! |
| 17:01.45 | Matic`Makovec | wols, it looks like this actually |
| 17:01.46 | Matic`Makovec | k0x:~# du -sh /var/ |
| 17:01.46 | Matic`Makovec | 6.1G /var/ |
| 17:01.46 | Matic`Makovec | k0x:~# du -sh /var/spool/ |
| 17:01.46 | Matic`Makovec | 584K /var/spool/ |
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| 17:02.04 | wols | Matic`Makovec: df |
| 17:02.08 | Matic`Makovec | Ah, right. |
| 17:02.20 | Matic`Makovec | How much of it was posted? :) |
| 17:02.28 | wols | too much |
| 17:02.35 | Matic`Makovec | Yeah, it seems :) |
| 17:02.42 | wols | and what you paste had no relevance to anything |
| 17:02.51 | Matic`Makovec | Yeah, I see that now |
| 17:03.03 | Matic`Makovec | As I mixed up df and du commands :x |
| 17:03.10 | Matic`Makovec | Thanks for the df hint! |
| 17:03.20 | Matic`Makovec | (My system storage is indeed low) |
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| 17:03.37 | wols | 2 possibilities: no more space or no more inodes |
| 17:04.12 | Matic`Makovec | It's the space |
| 17:04.18 | fredl | so I have a vg 'positron' and two ext3 partitions that are currently empty, sda2 and sdb3 |
| 17:04.20 | Matic`Makovec | I only now noticed I have 97% of space used |
| 17:04.34 | Matic`Makovec | And I somehow mixed the use of du and df |
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| 17:04.45 | fredl | am I correct that sda2 and sdb3 can then be added to that vg? |
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| 17:05.27 | fredl | do I need to have a filesystem on the partitions I'd like to add to the vg ? |
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| 17:06.00 | iguanna | \msg dpkg sarge etch |
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| 17:06.13 | wols | iguanna: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 17:07.28 | Absolute0 | is the 686 kernel any better/faster than the default one? |
| 17:07.34 | Absolute0 | or are they all the same? |
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| 17:08.30 | wols | Absolute0: what cpu do you have? |
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| 17:08.44 | Absolute0 | 773 megaherts pentium |
| 17:08.45 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 17:08.51 | liber | Anyone know the debian stance on AFL? |
| 17:09.02 | liber | Academic Free License* |
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| 17:11.01 | Absolute0 | where is iceweasel -> ../lib/iceweasel/iceweasel :( |
| 17:11.10 | Absolute0 | how do i get the complete dir of iceweasel? |
| 17:11.13 | Absolute0 | i need it for flash |
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| 17:12.30 | ErNi_ | Absolute0: dpkg -L iceweasel --> /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 17:12.36 | Absolute0 | agha |
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| 17:12.45 | Absolute0 | also locate iceweasel|grep lib |
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| 17:12.50 | Absolute0 | sorry for my ignorance |
| 17:12.51 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 17:12.54 | bluequijote | I need help with iceweasel on amd64. |
| 17:13.08 | Gathond | bluequijote: what is the problem? |
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| 17:13.27 | dureyes | what is the command for me to check if dma is enabled on my dvd-rom? |
| 17:13.55 | ErNi_ | dureyes: hdparm /dev/foobar | grep dma |
| 17:13.55 | codeyman | is there a way to restore the install time package list? my current system state got messed up ? |
| 17:14.11 | dureyes | ErNi_: thanks... |
| 17:14.12 | bluequijote | Is too slow or some times isfreeze. |
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| 17:18.49 | Gathond | bluequijote: please keep it in the channel |
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| 17:19.10 | Gathond | bluequijote: iirc there is no 64 bit flash plugin is there? |
| 17:19.51 | Gathond | bluequijote: I think there might be some wrappers though, which can use the 32 bit plugin, I've never used it though |
| 17:20.13 | bluequijote | how I know that? |
| 17:20.17 | Gathond | bluequijote: you could try to temporarily remove the flash player.so and see whether this helps on the speed issue |
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| 17:21.06 | bluequijote | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.35 | Gathond | bluequijote: probably |
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| 17:23.19 | Gathond | depends on how its installed, it might be ~/.mozilla/plugins or ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins or some such |
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| 17:24.02 | bluequijote | so, dou you think that I need re-instal the plugin again? |
| 17:24.09 | bluequijote | I'll try... |
| 17:24.37 | bluequijote | thank you. |
| 17:24.38 | push | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.39 | push | B5D0C804ADB11277 |
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| 17:25.27 | push | i m getting this msg & whenever i try to install new package it tries toremove essentials |
| 17:26.05 | Gathond | bluequijote: actually I would try just removing that .so temporarily to see if it removes the problem |
| 17:26.30 | Gathond | if the problem is still there and flash is no longer seen as a plugin in about, then its clearly not the issue |
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| 17:27.54 | bluequijote | ok, I'll try remove the plugin first. |
| 17:28.41 | bluequijote | Dou you know if iceweasel have a bug in those days? |
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| 17:36.11 | fredl | is w32codecs packaged somewhere for sid? |
| 17:37.18 | fredl | I'm just reading they're no longer needed for etch/mplayer? |
| 17:37.35 | Throat | if it's not in the normal repository, it should be in the marillat one |
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| 17:37.45 | zinx | they're not needed in sid either |
| 17:37.52 | fredl | hmm ok |
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| 17:38.41 | akiva | hello everyone. I seem to not be able to log into my debian anymore, it says no screens found |
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| 17:39.05 | akiva | and in the terminal I sporatically get chunks of what looks like tcpip data, like data in out dropped, etc |
| 17:39.13 | akiva | any ideas? |
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| 17:39.55 | amphi | akiva: sounds like iptables logging - dmesg -n1 will suppress that |
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| 17:40.07 | Absolute0 | what pkg switchs gtk2 themes and fonts? i cant find gtk-theme-switch2 in apt-cache.. |
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| 17:40.30 | akiva | amphi: Thanks, I will try that for the txt, any ideas about the screen? |
| 17:41.25 | Absolute0 | !gtk |
| 17:41.25 | dpkg | i guess gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit, currently at version 2. Version 1 is still used and in Debian as libgtk1.2. Versions 1 and 2 are not compatible and totally separate. |
| 17:42.19 | peppe | Absolute0: gtk-chtheme |
| 17:42.25 | Throat | akiva, "no screens found" should just mean the graphical interface was not started? It's what X normally prints... it should not prevent you from loggin in via the text consoles |
| 17:42.26 | Absolute0 | thanks |
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| 17:43.23 | amphi | akiva: dmesg -n1 will suppress those console messages, not stop the logging |
| 17:43.25 | Absolute0 | E: Invalid operation searchgtk-chtheme2 |
| 17:43.29 | akiva | Throat: It does not prevent me from logging in, no. |
| 17:43.34 | akiva | But I have no idea how to fix it |
| 17:43.46 | amphi | akiva: or was that not what you meant? |
| 17:44.11 | Absolute0 | akiva rabeinu? |
| 17:44.12 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 17:44.13 | akiva | akiva: I meant I wanted to stop seein the text, but I also want my gnome starting again |
| 17:44.17 | akiva | akiva rabeinu |
| 17:44.18 | akiva | :) |
| 17:44.25 | Absolute0 | howdy |
| 17:44.28 | akiva | Shalom, Shanah tovah! |
| 17:44.30 | Absolute0 | brooklyn? |
| 17:44.34 | akiva | No, Canada |
| 17:44.38 | Absolute0 | montreol? |
| 17:44.38 | akiva | Winnipeg |
| 17:44.39 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 17:44.44 | Absolute0 | gotchya |
| 17:44.46 | Absolute0 | i am in brooklyn |
| 17:44.52 | akiva | Ah. Yid? |
| 17:45.01 | Absolute0 | cen |
| 17:45.03 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 17:45.10 | akiva | Cen? |
| 17:45.14 | Absolute0 | ken? |
| 17:45.16 | Absolute0 | ya? |
| 17:45.17 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 17:45.19 | akiva | Ah |
| 17:45.21 | akiva | haha |
| 17:45.28 | Absolute0 | whatver u choose |
| 17:46.03 | akiva | Shavua tov |
| 17:46.10 | Absolute0 | ye u too |
| 17:46.13 | akiva | ;) |
| 17:46.20 | akiva | Now. Back to No Screens Found. |
| 17:46.21 | akiva | Haha |
| 17:46.33 | wols | !tell akiva about enter |
| 17:46.38 | Absolute0 | akiva: what video card do you have? |
| 17:46.42 | Throat | !tell akiva about no screens found |
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| 17:46.47 | akiva | 9600 |
| 17:46.53 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.54 | akiva | It was working find before |
| 17:46.55 | wols | akiva: use the radeon driver |
| 17:46.55 | Absolute0 | what brand? |
| 17:47.14 | akiva | radeon ati |
| 17:47.20 | Absolute0 | theres no gtk theme switch for gtk2 :( |
| 17:47.24 | wols | xerophyte: are you using gnome? |
| 17:47.36 | jelly-home | Absolute0: gtk-chtheme |
| 17:47.39 | xerophyte | wols nope i use xfce |
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| 17:47.42 | Absolute0 | jelly-home: its not there |
| 17:47.50 | Absolute0 | maybe its already installed? :-} |
| 17:48.05 | wols | !tell xerophyte about ivman |
| 17:48.06 | akiva | So how can one go about fixing this in terminal? |
| 17:48.12 | jelly-home | Absolute0: oops, that's not in stable, sorry |
| 17:48.17 | iguanna | in the repository of my debian distri exist the linux-image2.6.21-5 and then when i do apt-cache search linux-image this package is not found, what is possible? of couse, in my sourcelist appears the target match with my repository |
| 17:48.20 | Absolute0 | anything in stable? |
| 17:48.22 | akiva | so I dont need to reconifg anyhthing? |
| 17:48.24 | Throat | xerophyte, "usbmount" would mount it automatically when it is plugged in/switched on, bypassing fstab |
| 17:48.35 | wols | akiva: how should we now if you haven't told us anything about the error yet? |
| 17:48.39 | Absolute0 | akiva: after isntalling fglrx you can run aticonfig |
| 17:48.40 | xerophyte | Throat, hmmm |
| 17:48.43 | Absolute0 | and that configs for you |
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| 17:49.20 | Throat | xerophyte, it's what I use for usb sticks.... and pumount to remove them as a user.... |
| 17:49.34 | Throat | well, and for external drives that I sometimes connect |
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| 17:49.39 | akiva | sorry fo rthe lack of info |
| 17:49.44 | akiva | I was just called to do something |
| 17:49.47 | akiva | bbiab |
| 17:49.53 | akiva | thanks for the heads up all |
| 17:49.54 | jelly-home | Absolute0: gtk-theme-switch package has a gtk-theme-switch2 binary here, but gtk-chtheme is better |
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| 17:50.40 | Spiritus55 | What is the program that opens up .chm's? |
| 17:51.15 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 17:51.17 | Absolute0 | ok |
| 17:51.18 | Absolute0 | thanks |
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| 17:51.30 | Absolute0 | too late anyways |
| 17:51.32 | Throat | extract_chmLib converts it to html, kchmviewr to view |
| 17:51.37 | Absolute0 | i just went down one resolution level |
| 17:51.38 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 17:51.42 | Absolute0 | i needed bigger fonts |
| 17:51.43 | Throat | or xchm... |
| 17:51.45 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 17:51.56 | luanasex | ciao |
| 17:52.08 | wols | kchmviewer gnochm |
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| 17:55.03 | Absolute0 | whats the best version of windows to install through vmware on debian on an older machine? |
| 17:55.19 | Absolute0 | can win95 run most of the new apps? |
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| 17:55.30 | Cataphract | win2000 |
| 17:55.31 | hark | try #vmware |
| 17:55.48 | wols | !vmware |
| 17:55.49 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
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| 17:57.41 | atoponce | when running updates in debian sid with aptitude, there are a ton of packages held back, namely openoffice.org and x.org. why are these being held back? do they rely on a package that hasn't ben updated yet? |
| 17:58.00 | hark | /msg dpkg held back |
| 17:58.06 | Absolute0 | people in #vmware are dead |
| 17:58.07 | Absolute0 | :( |
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| 17:58.28 | hark | so, just TIAS |
| 17:58.40 | valdyn | atoponce: they rely on a new package probably so you would need a 'dist-upgrade' |
| 17:59.07 | atoponce | if i keep using 'safe-upgrade' they'll be held back until the new dependancy comes in? |
| 17:59.31 | sine | answer me this please: how can i be loggin in as root and a locate file shows me /usr/share/doc/somthing/file yet when i cd to it its not there |
| 17:59.31 | valdyn | atoponce: uh, no, they will be held back forever, depending on what the reason is |
| 17:59.55 | sine | because the locate hasnt updated ? |
| 17:59.58 | atoponce | valdyn: ok. how can i find the reason? |
| 18:00.00 | petemc | sine: run updatedb |
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| 18:00.03 | valdyn | sine: locate only checks the database generated with 'updatedb' |
| 18:00.08 | sine | k |
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| 18:00.38 | valdyn | atoponce: run 'apt-get install <held back package> |
| 18:01.00 | sine | ok how often does updatedb run automatically ? |
| 18:01.11 | atoponce | valdyn: i'd rather find the reason for it being held back before installing the updates |
| 18:01.26 | hark | sine: every day, look in /etc/cron.daily/ |
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| 18:01.51 | valdyn | atoponce: that's a matter of hitting Y or not |
| 18:02.06 | wols | sine: but you should anacron if your debian doesn't run 24/7 |
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| 18:02.13 | atoponce | i'm not following |
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| 18:02.27 | valdyn | atoponce: you should probably read the manpage too, about the meaning of safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 18:03.00 | valdyn | atoponce: just do what i said and read and do not confirm with Y or enter |
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| 18:03.24 | jelly-home | valdyn, atoponce: there is also --dry-run |
| 18:03.30 | stu | hey guys, anyone give me the name of a hyperterminal equivilant? |
| 18:03.39 | wols | stu: minicom |
| 18:03.54 | roland | picocom is pretty good too |
| 18:03.56 | fredl | any idea what causes this: |
| 18:03.59 | stu | wols: I tried to get my head around that but couldnt... is there something easier ? |
| 18:03.59 | fredl | positron:/# pvcreate /dev/sda2 |
| 18:04.00 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.04 | mmlj4 | stu: minicom |
| 18:04.08 | fredl | it's not mounted. |
| 18:04.18 | stu | ok so minicom it is... would COM 1 be /dev/ttys0 ? |
| 18:04.23 | hark | atoponce: when it is sometimes necessary to remove or install one package in order to upgrade another, packages generally get held back |
| 18:04.24 | valdyn | fredl: fuser /dev/sda2 |
| 18:04.40 | jelly-home | stu: ttyS0 (case matters) |
| 18:04.44 | fredl | oh wait, does it check the partition type? |
| 18:04.46 | stu | ill try again thanks |
| 18:04.54 | valdyn | fredl: nah |
| 18:04.58 | hark | atoponce: either /msg dpkg held back ; or rtfm |
| 18:05.22 | xidus | ttyS0 yep... |
| 18:05.28 | fredl | fuser returns nothing valdyn |
| 18:05.46 | valdyn | fredl: are you root? |
| 18:05.49 | fredl | yes |
| 18:05.55 | atoponce | rtfm... |
| 18:06.02 | stu | right, so I told minicom to use /dev/ttyS0 ... I'm seeing much though |
| 18:06.11 | stu | infact im seeing nothing, pressing return does nothing |
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| 18:06.31 | hark | atoponce: as in man aptitude, nothing wrong with that, is there? ;) |
| 18:06.35 | valdyn | stu: what are you trying to control with minicom? |
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| 18:06.47 | stu | valdyn: cisco router |
| 18:06.48 | valdyn | stu: a modem? |
| 18:06.54 | valdyn | stu: ah, i dont know those.. |
| 18:07.04 | fredl | valdyn - any clue? |
| 18:07.05 | stu | I need to config this router and the only thing on hand is a debian box |
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| 18:07.41 | valdyn | fredl: lsof /dev/sda2 |
| 18:07.50 | fredl | valdyn - I also get it on /dev/sdb3 |
| 18:07.57 | bracewel | ******************************************************************* |
| 18:08.06 | fredl | lsof /dev/sda2 returns nothing |
| 18:08.15 | valdyn | fredl: reboot and try again.. |
| 18:08.26 | bracewel | sorry about that :p |
| 18:08.44 | fredl | okay. |
| 18:08.54 | push | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/399/ here is my repo list |
| 18:09.01 | sine | why does man reformat after i view it is it compressed to start off with ? |
| 18:09.07 | binfalse | no |
| 18:09.16 | push | my synaptic is trying to remove all essential packages |
| 18:09.30 | valdyn | push: we do not support ubuntu |
| 18:09.31 | sine | because i get the niggling feeling that its saving or somthing |
| 18:10.00 | valdyn | push: or ########## Projeto Dreamlinux/MKdistro ########### |
| 18:10.08 | push | valdyn:sorry its not ubuntu ....its debian based |
| 18:10.17 | push | something |
| 18:10.18 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 18:10.18 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:10.38 | fredl | valdyn - no luck. Rebooted and it does exactly the same. |
| 18:10.43 | wols | valdyn: he only has debian sources in his sources.list |
| 18:10.56 | push | valdyn:ok |
| 18:11.01 | valdyn | wols: yea, i see it, but i doubt that fixes his 'base' |
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| 18:11.44 | wols | push: what did you install ubuntu cds or debian cds? |
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| 18:11.59 | valdyn | wols: Projeto Dreamlinux/MKdistro, whatever that is |
| 18:12.09 | wols | anything but debian |
| 18:12.11 | hark | push: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? and cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 18:12.21 | push | wols:its totally diff distribution dreamlinux |
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| 18:12.35 | wols | push: then neither #debian nor #ubuntu can help you |
| 18:12.43 | wols | as the folks of the distro you did install |
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| 18:13.54 | push | hark:actually problem starts only when i reload package info |
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| 18:16.00 | valdyn | push: you cant mix random deb repositories |
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| 18:17.35 | venger | how do I configure 8250 & serial_core to not load on their own on boot? |
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| 18:17.47 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 18:17.47 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 18:18.12 | valdyn | venger: what's the point? |
| 18:18.22 | venger | lirc_serial needs to load first |
| 18:18.24 | valdyn | venger: saving an insignificant amount of ram? |
| 18:18.27 | valdyn | venger: ah |
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| 18:18.43 | valdyn | venger: the _just_ put lirc_serial into /etc/modules |
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| 18:19.02 | venger | that will make it load first? |
| 18:19.06 | simon | what is apache2.2's rewrite mod called in debian? |
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| 18:20.18 | simon | ah, I just need to use /etc/apache2/mods-available/rewrite.load. thanks. |
| 18:21.29 | fredl | valdyn - any clue when rebooting doesn't help for the pvcreate? |
| 18:22.00 | valdyn | fredl: these devices are in use |
| 18:22.19 | valdyn | fredl: you just need to figure by what.. |
| 18:22.42 | fredl | I just went to single user mode, unmounted everything I could and killed so much I had only kernel processes and bash running |
| 18:23.09 | valdyn | fredl: run pvs |
| 18:23.47 | fredl | I guess I could boot into single user mode instead of telinit 1 |
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| 18:24.05 | fredl | pvs shows one VG, /dev/hdb5 |
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| 18:24.30 | valdyn | fredl: one pv, not vg, alright |
| 18:24.48 | fredl | well it shows this: |
| 18:24.57 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.57 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.40 | valdyn | fredl: exactly, this was just to see if your 2 partitions maybe already are a pv |
| 18:25.45 | Matic`Makovec | Err...what's the partition making shell based program called? Somehow can't remember the name .x |
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| 18:26.05 | fredl | I need to run pvcreate on every partition I'd like to add to a VG, correct? |
| 18:26.07 | Miruo | Hello, I am tryin'g to use postfix under Debian with virtual users and maildrop, users with user@dom.com works perfect, but uers like user.surname@dom.com does not, any idea? |
| 18:26.08 | valdyn | Matic`Makovec: fdisk,sfdisk,cfdisk |
| 18:26.15 | valdyn | fredl: yea |
| 18:26.16 | Matic`Makovec | Exactly, thank you valdyn |
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| 18:26.30 | fredl | lemme reboot into single user mode and try again |
| 18:26.35 | valdyn | fredl: though - you dont want to do that really, its putting your data at risk |
| 18:26.41 | Absolute0 | i installed sun-java5-jdk but i still don't have javac |
| 18:26.51 | Absolute0 | what do i need to get the jave compilers and tools? |
| 18:26.53 | Absolute0 | *java |
| 18:27.00 | fredl | valdyn - there's no data on the partitions I want to run pvcreate on. |
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| 18:27.15 | valdyn | fredl: storing data on that newly created vg is sicko |
| 18:27.52 | fredl | well with pvcreate I only initialize a physical volume, correct? |
| 18:28.02 | valdyn | fredl: yea |
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| 18:28.30 | valdyn | fredl: nm me if you didnt want to add several partitions from different disks to one vg |
| 18:28.58 | fredl | valdyn - that's exactly what I want, am I doing it wrong? |
| 18:29.06 | valdyn | fredl: no, its a sick idea |
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| 18:29.30 | fredl | why is that? |
| 18:29.33 | valdyn | fredl: one vg across 3 physical disks triples your failure risk |
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| 18:29.45 | Absolute0 | whats the difference between kernel-image and linux-image? |
| 18:29.57 | valdyn | Absolute0: just the name |
| 18:30.13 | fredl | valdyn - so you would suggest creating three separate volume groups? |
| 18:30.22 | valdyn | fredl: yea |
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| 18:30.54 | Absolute0 | valdyn: so they're sym links or something? |
| 18:30.55 | fredl | valdyn - that's fine with me too. But the first problem to overcome is that pvcreate doesn't seem to work and if I understand it correctly that's mandatory |
| 18:30.57 | Absolute0 | thats just stupid |
| 18:30.59 | valdyn | fredl: combining several pv into one vg only makes sense if the underlying containers are on the same disk or if the underlying containers are each _safe_ |
| 18:31.05 | Absolute0 | !jdk |
| 18:31.06 | dpkg | somebody said jdk was check out http://blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/INSTALL-1.4-j2sdk or you need to put main on the sources.list line, or http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php |
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| 18:31.21 | fredl | valdyn - makes sense. |
| 18:31.25 | wols | dpkg: forget jdk |
| 18:31.25 | dpkg | i forgot jdk, wols |
| 18:31.47 | Absolute0 | how do i list all the pkgs installed on my systme? |
| 18:31.49 | sine | why does man reformat after if finished |
| 18:31.59 | Absolute0 | *syste? |
| 18:32.14 | hark | Absolute0: what does readlink /etc/alternatives/javac say? |
| 18:32.24 | wols | Absolute0: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 18:32.31 | swombat | ok... i have a zombie process that i can't kill -9 for some reason. How do I shoot it in the head without having to restart the server? |
| 18:32.37 | Absolute0 | hark: that works |
| 18:32.39 | wols | !zombie |
| 18:32.39 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 18:32.43 | Absolute0 | but its not in the path for some reason.. |
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| 18:33.03 | wols | Absolute0: what does /usr/bin/java point to? |
| 18:33.03 | valdyn | fredl: hda1-4 in one vg makes sense for resizing the vg too, without adding risk |
| 18:33.04 | swombat | hmm. |
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| 18:33.45 | sysop2 | ne1 here use viavoice for linux on debian? |
| 18:33.46 | Absolute0 | wols: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2007-09-23 12:41 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java |
| 18:33.58 | Absolute0 | i guess i just need to add it to the path.. |
| 18:33.59 | jetscreamer | !ne1 |
| 18:34.00 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 18:34.00 | Absolute0 | weird |
| 18:34.01 | wols | looks alright |
| 18:34.06 | Absolute0 | NEVERMIND |
| 18:34.07 | Absolute0 | sorry |
| 18:34.10 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.14 | fredl | valdyn - I just tried rebooting into single user mode, after which I tried pvcreate. doesn't work, same error |
| 18:34.17 | Absolute0 | i prolly didnt logout login.. |
| 18:34.18 | valdyn | fredl: maybe trying to mount or mke2fs the 'unavailable' partitions will give a more useful error message |
| 18:34.20 | hark | pebkac? |
| 18:34.27 | swombat | any suggestions on how to locate the parent? |
| 18:34.28 | Matic`Makovec | I've made a small partition just to put stuff that's in /var/spool/mail on it. What filesystem type should I choose? |
| 18:34.33 | swombat | there's no obvious parent for this process |
| 18:34.54 | wols | there always is a parent... |
| 18:35.01 | swombat | i'm sure |
| 18:35.03 | wols | it might be init, but there IS a parent |
| 18:35.09 | windyh | swombat: lsof | grep <name of zombie> might help |
| 18:35.16 | valdyn | swombat: leave the zombie alone, dont touch it |
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| 18:35.29 | valdyn | swombat: there's no point in cleaning up 'ps' or 'top' |
| 18:35.43 | swombat | valdyn: it doesn't block the port it was opened on then? |
| 18:35.57 | wols | swombat: netstat -anp |grep LIST to check |
| 18:36.04 | valdyn | swombat: it could block that port. |
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| 18:36.26 | fredl | valdyn - on both sda2 and sdb3 mount says /dev/sd* already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 18:36.29 | valdyn | swombat: pstree didn't show a parent i suppose - that is likely because you tried to kill -9 it |
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| 18:36.49 | valdyn | swombat: kill -9 is never good really |
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| 18:37.02 | wols | valdyn: it makes me fell better. more powerful |
| 18:37.04 | fredl | damn this. |
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| 18:37.43 | CartooDog | Anyone up for trouble shooting nvidia drivers? | I do get the NV logo when xorg starts, glxinfo returns errors and segfaults, glxgears "couldnt get an RGB, Doubled buffered visual" and everything else can not get the bit settings for the screen mode |
| 18:37.45 | Absolute0 | are all of the linux images that end with the same extension (686) the same exact thing? |
| 18:37.55 | Absolute0 | its quite ambiguous |
| 18:37.56 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 18:37.58 | sepski | of different versions |
| 18:38.10 | valdyn | Absolute0: which exactly? |
| 18:38.18 | valdyn | Absolute0: there's alot of helper packages for kernels |
| 18:38.21 | Absolute0 | there are 3 different linux-image-686 |
| 18:38.27 | Absolute0 | which one is the lastest/most stable? |
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| 18:38.32 | Absolute0 | in etch.. |
| 18:38.36 | valdyn | Absolute0: read the descriptions |
| 18:38.48 | fredl | valdyn - I just tried recreating the partition and immediately a window pops up saying it can't mount the volume |
| 18:38.49 | Absolute0 | all the descriptions are equivalent |
| 18:38.53 | windyh | 18-5 |
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| 18:38.58 | fredl | valdyn - is that some GNOME thing or something? |
| 18:39.07 | fredl | valdyn - or an automounter? |
| 18:39.08 | valdyn | fredl: duh, yes |
| 18:39.15 | valdyn | fredl: the gnome automounter |
| 18:39.16 | Absolute0 | i.e. Linux kernel image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 18:39.27 | valdyn | fredl: you should probably see an icon for each partition on the desktop |
| 18:39.30 | Absolute0 | which one should i install? |
| 18:39.43 | hark | Absolute0: apt-cache show foo |
| 18:39.44 | fredl | okay shutting down gdm |
| 18:39.51 | Absolute0 | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 ? |
| 18:39.52 | valdyn | Absolute0: your reading skills are ugly seriously |
| 18:40.02 | valdyn | Absolute0: what's your choice beyond that? |
| 18:40.13 | Absolute0 | i have like 3 different options |
| 18:40.23 | valdyn | Absolute0: tell us those options |
| 18:41.03 | Absolute0 | linux-image-686 linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 and repeat everything with kernel-image* :-P |
| 18:41.18 | windyh | 18-5 is the most current in etch |
| 18:41.20 | hark | linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage which will point to the latest available one (linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 in this case) . install that, and read the package desc better next time. |
| 18:41.23 | valdyn | Absolute0: just run 'aptitude instal linux-image-686 |
| 18:41.24 | Absolute0 | great thanks |
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| 18:41.49 | Absolute0 | hark: like i said all the pkg desc's where exactly the same! |
| 18:41.57 | valdyn | no way |
| 18:42.00 | jetscreamer | the short ones are metapackages |
| 18:42.02 | valdyn | !info linux-image-686 |
| 18:42.08 | dpkg | linux-image-686: (Linux image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+10 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 18:42.20 | jetscreamer | linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7 would be a non-metapackage |
| 18:42.21 | valdyn | Absolute0: ^^ that is not the full description |
| 18:42.28 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 18:42.34 | jetscreamer | linux-image-2.6 would be |
| 18:42.34 | Absolute0 | how do i get a full desc? |
| 18:42.45 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <package> |
| 18:42.49 | Absolute0 | great |
| 18:42.50 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 18:43.03 | swombat | valdyn: the parent process of that process appears to be 'init' |
| 18:43.08 | swombat | I think I'd rather not kill that |
| 18:43.08 | Absolute0 | does apt-get reconfigure grub when installing a new kernel? |
| 18:43.13 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:43.21 | valdyn | swombat: there's nothing you can do to remove that zombie |
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| 18:43.32 | Absolute0 | jetscreamer: well i hope so, if not i am murdering your ass |
| 18:43.33 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 18:43.35 | jetscreamer | there's a hook in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ... or was it kernel-img.conf |
| 18:43.42 | valdyn | swombat: it's Z because of a kernel bug or will be reaped in time, or both |
| 18:43.51 | windyh | speaking of reconfiguring grub, where can I put vga=791 where it won't get removed with a kernel update? |
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| 18:44.04 | jetscreamer | kopt in menu.lst .. read the comments |
| 18:44.07 | swombat | valdyn: hm, ok, at least it doesn't seem like it's occupying any ports :-) |
| 18:44.09 | jetscreamer | windyh: ^^ |
| 18:44.21 | Absolute0 | i checked menu.lst and all seems good |
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| 18:44.26 | windyh | thanks, I tried that - guess I'll try it again |
| 18:44.26 | Absolute0 | lets reboot |
| 18:44.27 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 18:45.10 | Matic`Makovec | Hey again. Where is it defined that the mail goes to /var/spool/mail ? |
| 18:45.22 | jetscreamer | # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro <- at the end.. |
| 18:45.32 | windyh | thanks |
| 18:45.40 | fredl | valdyn - hmm this is weird. I boot into single user mode. I go into fdisk and delete the partition. Then I make it again. I can't make a filesystem on it, I can't pvcreate or anything on it. |
| 18:45.47 | fredl | Debian ate my disks :P |
| 18:45.50 | jetscreamer | yours will look different, but the kopt is the thing, windyh |
| 18:45.52 | bracewel | Matic`Makovec: Depends what you are using |
| 18:46.01 | jetscreamer | read the comments |
| 18:46.12 | Matic`Makovec | bracewel, postfix |
| 18:46.32 | windyh | yeah, sda2 |
| 18:46.50 | valdyn | fredl: you cant use new partitions on used disks |
| 18:46.53 | jetscreamer | just add whatever then update-grub |
| 18:46.55 | valdyn | fredl: without rebooting |
| 18:47.02 | valdyn | fredl: but fdisk should have told you about that |
| 18:47.11 | bracewel | using virtual mailboxes etc? |
| 18:47.29 | jetscreamer | valdyn: that's for dos partitions i 'think'.. and i think that really really hard |
| 18:47.38 | bracewel | if so run postconf -e 'virtual_mailbox_base = whereever' |
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| 18:48.05 | valdyn | jetscreamer: for partition tables - kernel cant reread the partition table as long as one partition is mounted |
| 18:48.05 | jetscreamer | valdyn: otherwise, how would the installer function w/o rebooting |
| 18:48.10 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:48.13 | jetscreamer | mounted |
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| 18:48.30 | valdyn | jetscreamer: yea, 'used' was vague =/ |
| 18:49.06 | fredl | valdyn - I removed the partition in single user mode now, rebooted into single user mode and now recreating the partition |
| 18:49.20 | jetscreamer | one gotcha with the installer i noticed: i created a partition in windows... didn't format it, just a partition.. installed debian to it. the installer did not change the partition type, so i could not install grub. :/ |
| 18:49.43 | jetscreamer | it booted fine, with a grub floppy though |
| 18:49.44 | valdyn | weird, type doesnt matter |
| 18:49.50 | jetscreamer | it's grub |
| 18:49.52 | valdyn | or shouldnt |
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| 18:50.16 | jetscreamer | i didn't try lilo this time, but last time i had this error, lilo didn't work either |
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| 18:50.41 | jetscreamer | so i changed the partition type with fdisk and there was no more problem |
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| 18:50.58 | xand | when I do something like "ssh host somecommand" what determines the $PATH that somecommand is looked for in? |
| 18:51.06 | fredl | damn this, my whole system is fubar somehow. |
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| 18:51.16 | xand | ssh user@host "echo \$PATH" gives only /usr/bin... |
| 18:51.17 | jetscreamer | ext3 fs, but the partition type was set to fat16 huge or something |
| 18:51.35 | fredl | I'm in fsck'ing single user mode on a partition I just create and I can't make a bloody filesystem on it. |
| 18:51.54 | fredl | says it's 'apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here' |
| 18:52.08 | valdyn | fredl: fdisk told you about successfully rereading the partition table? |
| 18:52.08 | xand | fredl: why use singe user mode? |
| 18:52.12 | cahoot | mount says it's mounted? |
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| 18:52.21 | jetscreamer | do it from a livecd fredl to take everything out of the equation.. swapoff -a first |
| 18:52.56 | fredl | hmm, I'll try do what jetscreamer says that seems like the fastest way to deal with this |
| 18:53.19 | venger | when i add a .rules file to /etc/udev/rules.d what do i need to do (beside reboot) to have udev create the devices? |
| 18:53.26 | valdyn | this box has 7 disks with a few md raids - win xp and vista installer both just hang/crash.. so much for installers ;) |
| 18:54.47 | hark | you don't need to reboot, just reload rules |
| 18:55.08 | fredl | I don't have a livecd here, could I do stuff from the etch install CD too? |
| 18:55.20 | fredl | with rescue maybe? |
| 18:55.25 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 18:55.38 | jetscreamer | won't be a large of a toolset but you can get the job done |
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| 18:58.14 | xand | the installer CDs need more useful stuff on, like an ssh client |
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| 18:59.09 | fredl | mkfs perhaps... |
| 18:59.12 | fredl | fdisk.... |
| 18:59.14 | fredl | Hrmm |
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| 19:00.45 | fredl | oh wait, going into the console window before the rescue mode has done anything at all is fairly useless ofcourse |
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| 19:01.39 | fredl | bizarre, pvcreate works fine from the rescue CD |
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| 19:02.11 | fredl | should a fielsystem be created on the partition after pvcreate now that I'm here anyway? |
| 19:02.39 | Absolute0 | anyone knows where rtorrent puts the sample .rtorrentrc file? |
| 19:02.44 | fredl | no I guess I should create VG's first... |
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| 19:05.07 | klhrevolutionist | Absolute0: most likely /etc/rtorrentrc |
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| 19:05.36 | venger | what is the command to reload udev rules? the closest i see is udevcontrol reload_rules |
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| 19:06.14 | valdyn | venger: /etc/init.d/udev reload |
| 19:06.18 | Absolute0 | klhrevolutionist: nope :) i think its in some lib dir |
| 19:06.25 | Absolute0 | but locate cant find it for some reason |
| 19:06.31 | Absolute0 | maybe debian doesnt give you one.. |
| 19:06.42 | valdyn | Absolute0: /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/ |
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| 19:07.30 | Absolute0 | yup |
| 19:07.35 | Absolute0 | valdyn: how did you find that? |
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| 19:07.53 | valdyn | Absolute0: every package has documentation in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
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| 19:08.10 | Absolute0 | well rc files arent exaclty documents.. |
| 19:08.14 | Absolute0 | *documentation |
| 19:08.16 | Absolute0 | but oh well |
| 19:08.22 | Absolute0 | i just found it on http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/ |
| 19:08.50 | valdyn | Absolute0: there's a README.Debian explaining how to use a package, very often at least. |
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| 19:09.32 | valdyn | Absolute0: depending on what the packageer thinks users should have |
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| 19:11.02 | Absolute0 | valdyn: gotcha, how do i yank till end of line in vim? |
| 19:11.12 | Absolute0 | yt^/$ didnt work |
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| 19:11.45 | Coweater | y$ should do it |
| 19:11.51 | Absolute0 | oh no t i guess. |
| 19:12.06 | _gpg_ | is it really impossible to get emacs 22 on etch ? |
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| 19:12.48 | valdyn | _gpg_: who sais its impossible? |
| 19:13.28 | valdyn | _gpg_: check backports.org, if it's not there: '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' |
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| 19:13.33 | _gpg_ | valdyn google, and the few poor links it shows |
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| 19:14.03 | sine | there must be and if so some elite shell run cd/dvdwriter program |
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| 19:14.08 | sine | could someone tell me |
| 19:14.17 | smacnay | sine: tovid |
| 19:14.18 | sine | what great enlish |
| 19:14.35 | Absolute0 | _gpg_: maybe unstable or testing if its not in etch.. |
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| 19:15.29 | _gpg_ | Absolute0 for sure i think i'll switch to testing (cant switch to sid since i need it for my work station) |
| 19:15.37 | NaufraGo | hi. is etch =stable? |
| 19:15.48 | valdyn | _gpg_: i told you how to backport emacs22.. |
| 19:16.12 | _gpg_ | valdyn adding backport is like to suicide for me |
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| 19:17.18 | valdyn | _gpg_: maybe you need a psychatrist then before considering lenny ;) |
| 19:17.34 | Absolute0 | _gpg_: you dont need to switch to testing just get the testing version of emacs that you desire |
| 19:17.49 | Absolute0 | stable is off course "more stable" |
| 19:17.50 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 19:18.04 | _gpg_ | Absolute0 yes |
| 19:18.22 | _gpg_ | valdyn right too |
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| 19:19.06 | dos000 | any bash guru can tell how to figure the path of a script.sh while the script is running ? |
| 19:19.20 | techbie | !tell NaufraGo about etch |
| 19:19.38 | Absolute0 | valdyn: is lenny that bad? |
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| 19:19.55 | Absolute0 | its probably just like arch |
| 19:20.06 | Absolute0 | a little tweaking here and there and you're good :) |
| 19:20.28 | Absolute0 | which then cause you to go to a psychiatrist |
| 19:20.37 | Absolute0 | so i guess you ARE right :-P |
| 19:20.41 | Absolute0 | just not in that order |
| 19:20.44 | \amethyst | dos000: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ#head-651e1e46b0c6a18eafcaf9efdd55fb9fbc7f00c1 |
| 19:20.53 | GarryFre | Hello, I brought up Icewheasel and set it to my default web brower, but now I got two problems. It says its not my default web brower every time. Clicking on links here brings up an error trying to execute commands. How do I fix this? I'm using Debian 4.1r1 |
| 19:20.56 | _gpg_ | valdyn backport ?= all the trusted/ well tested backage coming from Testing branch ? (sry if i'm enoying, still reading debian pages) |
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| 19:21.27 | \amethyst | dos000: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ/028 is a more direct link |
| 19:21.28 | GarryFre | I looked on Google, I thought it was my friend, its not speaking to me. |
| 19:21.46 | Absolute0 | haha |
| 19:21.46 | BrightEyes` | hello! how can i configure my network connection via dhcp from command line? i cant connect to the internet! |
| 19:21.53 | Absolute0 | GarryFre: get a girlfriend! |
| 19:22.02 | _gpg_ | ! tell _gpg_ about backport |
| 19:22.02 | bubonic_plaque | GarryFre: take that check box off, it doesn't work |
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| 19:22.13 | sysop2 | simple question. whats pluto? |
| 19:22.16 | bubonic_plaque | you will get that msg every time |
| 19:22.18 | sysop2 | and in pluto.ctl |
| 19:22.22 | Absolute0 | sysop2: a planet |
| 19:22.23 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 19:22.29 | Absolute0 | damn this room is hillarious todayy |
| 19:22.31 | bubonic_plaque | GarryFre: man update-alternatives for that |
| 19:22.43 | bubonic_plaque | for that functionality |
| 19:22.49 | devicenu1l | For some reason.. my sound is no longer working. I've got an AC97 chipset, and the ac97 module loaded.. but I dont hear any sound |
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| 19:23.08 | GarryFre | I turned off the icewheasel checkbox but it's still messed up. Ok, I'll do the man update-alternatives |
| 19:23.23 | bubonic_plaque | GarryFre: see also update-alternaives --all |
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| 19:24.02 | bubonic_plaque | err alternatives |
| 19:24.20 | sysop2 | haha doesnt anyone know why I have a user called pluto it seems to be controlling a bunch of files. |
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| 19:24.28 | Absolute0 | !alsachecklist |
| 19:24.31 | sysop2 | like /var/run/pluto/pluto.ctl |
| 19:24.35 | Absolute0 | !alsa |
| 19:24.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 19:24.47 | bubonic_plaque | !alsa bork |
| 19:24.52 | bubonic_plaque | !alsabork |
| 19:24.54 | bubonic_plaque | gah |
| 19:24.56 | bubonic_plaque | gone |
| 19:25.10 | Absolute0 | how do i make dpkg talk to someone? |
| 19:25.22 | bubonic_plaque | /msg dpkg help |
| 19:25.31 | Eulex | woopsie |
| 19:25.37 | bubonic_plaque | :o |
| 19:25.50 | Absolute0 | dpkg is off? |
| 19:25.53 | GarryFre | Wow, that's a huge read. I'm just going to give up and restore my backup. |
| 19:25.56 | Absolute0 | !help |
| 19:26.02 | bubonic_plaque | [14.27.18] <-- dpkg has quit (Excess Flood) |
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| 19:26.04 | sysop2 | ok nevermind its part of ipsec |
| 19:26.04 | GarryFre | :( |
| 19:26.10 | Absolute0 | poor dpkg |
| 19:26.14 | sysop2 | damn openswan |
| 19:26.16 | bubonic_plaque | ~tell Absolute0 -about debian-bots |
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| 19:27.03 | bubonic_plaque | i told him update-alternatives --all .. sheesh |
| 19:27.19 | bubonic_plaque | for the simple minded method |
| 19:27.24 | bubonic_plaque | i use it all the time |
| 19:27.24 | devicenu1l | well |
| 19:27.39 | devicenu1l | alsa found the only sound card I have, and it's ID 0 in /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:27.49 | devicenu1l | alsamixer has everything at max volume |
| 19:28.04 | bubonic_plaque | do you have alsa-base ? |
| 19:28.23 | bubonic_plaque | ~alsa checklist |
| 19:28.30 | bubonic_plaque | ~alsachecklist |
| 19:28.38 | bubonic_plaque | harum |
| 19:28.43 | TrueDD | re |
| 19:28.45 | bubonic_plaque | harumph |
| 19:28.45 | devicenu1l | apparently, I dont have alsa-base |
| 19:29.29 | bubonic_plaque | see also alsa-utils and alsa-oss |
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| 19:29.48 | devicenu1l | but, but would that explain why sound isnt playing? |
| 19:30.14 | bubonic_plaque | i dunno, is the volume muted by default after every reboot? |
| 19:30.22 | bubonic_plaque | probably, even if it worked |
| 19:30.52 | bubonic_plaque | as to why it doesn't work if those don't fix it.. but you would need to install one of those/all of those anyway |
| 19:31.30 | devicenu1l | bah |
| 19:31.34 | devicenu1l | there's a hardware switch |
| 19:31.50 | devicenu1l | that I thought was just a keyboard shortcut |
| 19:31.53 | devicenu1l | but apparently its more |
| 19:31.59 | ShadowMajestic | lol, how to access/config postfix wich is gotten with apt-get install? >.> |
| 19:32.30 | Absolute0 | is the wine in etch usefull for many apps or i should stick with the testing or unstable versions? |
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| 19:36.44 | spar256 | anyone know the channel for chat about cloning HDDs? |
| 19:37.01 | spar256 | or anyone know an app for cloning HDDs? |
| 19:38.04 | cherwin | use dd |
| 19:38.15 | cherwin | spar256: man dd |
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| 19:39.13 | spar256 | cherwin: i'm not on linux right now. care to chat how dd works? |
| 19:39.32 | spar256 | cherwin: help in cloning? |
| 19:40.23 | cherwin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29 |
| 19:40.30 | cherwin | it's quite easy |
| 19:40.33 | cherwin | just follow the link |
| 19:40.49 | cherwin | or search for tutorials on google |
| 19:40.53 | sylvantis | dd if=/dev/[hs]d[a-z][0-9] of=/dev/[hs]d[a-z][0-9] or dd if=/dev/[hs]d[a-z][0-9] of=/path/to/outputfile |
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| 19:41.23 | sine | how do i login as root into x and gnome etc like i do with my user the window won let me |
| 19:41.32 | cherwin | sylvantis: do you really think that he'll understand that |
| 19:41.33 | sine | i need to run a gui app from root |
| 19:41.37 | sylvantis | no it's not recommendable |
| 19:41.53 | jelly-home | sine: use sux or gksu (or gksudo) for that |
| 19:42.00 | sylvantis | cherwin: no idea :P, i answered his question though |
| 19:42.13 | jelly-home | !sux |
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| 19:43.48 | bubonic_plaque | sine: you enable root login the same place you enable autologin... |
| 19:43.58 | bubonic_plaque | different tab maybe |
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| 19:44.23 | NaufraGo | whats the difference between using an i386 or i686 kernel, (I have a p4 processor) |
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| 19:44.31 | bubonic_plaque | just hit an xterm and type su |
| 19:44.51 | bubonic_plaque | i686 kernel is optimized for intel, -386 is more generic |
| 19:44.52 | sylvantis | i686 is compiled for i686, so better optimized |
| 19:45.11 | bubonic_plaque | s/i686/-686/ |
| 19:45.21 | cherwin | why are you telling him how to log in as root? if he can't figure that out by himself, then he definitely shouldn't log in as root |
| 19:45.36 | NaufraGo | I mean, all times I install i686 from i386, this gets bad, some thing don-t work, etc |
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| 19:45.57 | bubonic_plaque | then he can break it and reinstall and learn the hard way... which is always the more certain way. |
| 19:46.21 | bubonic_plaque | he was warned |
| 19:46.21 | cherwin | fair enough.. |
| 19:46.31 | NaufraGo | is there any i686 image of etch to burn in cd? |
| 19:46.41 | spar256 | sylvantis: i like to understand what apps do from the highest depths, not the "low-level" depths. what does dd do exactly? |
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| 19:47.02 | spar256 | NaufraGo: only 686 distro with muchos packages i know of is arch. |
| 19:47.03 | bubonic_plaque | the installer's 686!= the kernel versions |
| 19:47.21 | sylvantis | spar256: raw copy of zeroes and ones, it's below file system, it just copies the partition as it is, wheter broken, in a horrible state or perfectly fine |
| 19:47.27 | bubonic_plaque | that versioning gets confusing imo... least to me |
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| 19:47.37 | GarryFre | I read about the update-alternatives and set things up using the --all option but clicking on a link still causes an error trying to execute the default command. |
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| 19:48.15 | spar256 | sylvantis: what's the default format for the output? .img, .iso, .dat? anything? |
| 19:48.18 | tvynr | Does xinerama support positioning a screen at negative coordinates? |
| 19:48.19 | GarryFre | I got determined, to fix instead of restoring and losing everything I've done in debian in the last month. |
| 19:48.55 | sylvantis | spar256: not really anything, *nix doesn't care about file extensions, you can you what you like, .img or something sounds fine |
| 19:49.12 | jetlaw | .iso works better |
| 19:49.12 | _bp_ | hi im new to debian and apt, im trying to install apache |
| 19:49.19 | sylvantis | spar256: you can afterwards mount it using either losetup (the long way) or mount -o loop (the easy and faster way) |
| 19:49.42 | _bp_ | if i run apt-cache search apache the actual apache httpd is not returned |
| 19:49.46 | _bp_ | is that correct? |
| 19:49.49 | unlink | how do i disable hald-addon-cpufreq? |
| 19:49.49 | sylvantis | jetlaw: works better? for some gui app you mean? |
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| 19:50.14 | jetlaw | they get recognized by such, yes |
| 19:50.18 | spar256 | sylvantis: ic. so those are the only ways, if a little more, that can 'extract' the output file. |
| 19:50.44 | jelly-home | _bp_: what are you looking for? a file name or a package? |
| 19:50.45 | GNU\colossus | hi all - is there a (non-free if need be) repository for debian etch available that holds vmware tools in it? |
| 19:50.55 | jetlaw | !contrib |
| 19:50.55 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 19:51.02 | _bp_ | jelly-home, well either |
| 19:51.04 | sylvantis | spar256: you can mount it, i believe read-write, it's not like extracting a tarball or something |
| 19:51.10 | _bp_ | i would like to install the apache pkg |
| 19:51.30 | jetlaw | !rcconf |
| 19:51.30 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 19:51.33 | _bp_ | apt-get install apache didn't work, so i tried searching the cahce |
| 19:51.36 | _bp_ | cache |
| 19:51.39 | jelly-home | _bp_: apache2 is the name |
| 19:51.44 | jetlaw | chmod -x /etc/init.d/something is a lot easier imo |
| 19:52.14 | valdyn | not just easier, its actually sane |
| 19:52.25 | spar256 | sylvantis: bit for bit huh. |
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| 19:52.52 | jelly-home | ... whoever wrote that $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) monstrosity? |
| 19:53.04 | GarryFre | I've opened icewheasel in debian 4.1r1 and set it as the default browser. Now I can't bring up any links here by clicking them without an error trying to execute the default action. I've googled all over the place. I've tried update-alternatives and that don't fix it. Nothing helps. Anyone know how to fix this horror? |
| 19:53.04 | _bp_ | that only returns libapache and the like |
| 19:53.07 | sylvantis | spar256: yup, it's very usefull for example before using --rebuild-tree on a reiserfs filesystem (which goes wrong often) |
| 19:53.15 | _bp_ | not the actual package |
| 19:53.28 | jelly-home | _bp_: the package name is "apache2" |
| 19:53.43 | jelly-home | _bp_:if you don't see it, your apt setup is not complete |
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| 19:54.56 | _bp_ | i have http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib in my source.list |
| 19:55.02 | _bp_ | vanilla install |
| 19:55.25 | jelly-home | _bp_: pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:55.39 | GarryFre | I've opened icewheasel in debian 4.1r1 and set it as the default browser. Now I can't bring up any links here by clicking them without an error trying to execute the default action. I've googled all over the place. I've tried update-alternatives and that don't fix it. Nothing helps. Anyone know how to fix this horror? |
| 19:55.51 | valdyn | GarryFre: you mean debian 4.0r1 |
| 19:55.58 | GarryFre | yeah |
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| 19:56.15 | spar256 | he's gonna repeat it with the fix. |
| 19:56.31 | valdyn | GarryFre: 'links here' means which irc client? |
| 19:56.50 | GarryFre | valdyn xchat |
| 19:57.28 | GarryFre | valdyn It worked til I did that unforgivable icewheasel sin. |
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| 19:57.39 | valdyn | GarryFre: and where did you set that default browser? |
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| 19:58.09 | GarryFre | valdyn Within Icewheasel edit/preferences |
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| 19:58.23 | valdyn | GarryFre: no |
| 19:58.33 | valdyn | GarryFre: where did you set the default browser? |
| 19:58.56 | GarryFre | valdyn I brought up icewheasel and did preferences |
| 19:59.07 | GarryFre | that was what caused the original issue. |
| 19:59.10 | valdyn | GarryFre: iceweasel IS a webbrowser |
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| 19:59.22 | valdyn | GarryFre: you can hardly SET the default browser WITHIN a webbrowser |
| 19:59.23 | GarryFre | I know |
| 19:59.42 | GarryFre | It's under preferences, go see. its there |
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| 19:59.57 | sylvantis | GarryFre: and now you deleted iceweasel? |
| 19:59.58 | GarryFre | obviously it didn't work but it worked before. |
| 20:00.11 | sylvantis | GarryFre: if that's teh case, you could create a symlink to for instance konqueror |
| 20:00.12 | GarryFre | sylvantis no, I didn't delete it |
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| 20:00.37 | sylvantis | GarryFre: then what error do you get? doesn't iceweasel start or somethign? |
| 20:00.45 | GarryFre | Yeah, it won't start. |
| 20:00.52 | ghatak_mobile | Hi, is XEN avaiable for Debian Sparc |
| 20:01.08 | tvynr | Does anyone know whether or not it's possible to position a screen in negative coordinates using Xinerama? I'm trying to make the right-hand monitor grounded at (0,0) so that my task bar et. al show up there. |
| 20:01.10 | sylvantis | GarryFre: it won't start if you load it from command line either? |
| 20:01.12 | hark | GarryFre: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 20:01.44 | GarryFre | tried that update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and it didn't fix it |
| 20:01.59 | hark | jelly-home: gnome-default-applications-properties in gnome |
| 20:02.09 | GarryFre | I can start it by clicking on icon, but it used to start a web brower when I click on a llnk in irc |
| 20:02.13 | valdyn | GarryFre: and also 'gnome-default-applications' |
| 20:02.29 | GarryFre | thanks going to check that ... |
| 20:02.35 | valdyn | GarryFre: err, what hark said.. |
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| 20:02.51 | hark | it's usually set to sensible-browser %s by default iirc |
| 20:03.52 | GarryFre | I think this is the problem. In preferred apps, since I don't see default-applications it tries to execute usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox "%s" but I think it might have to say iceweasel |
| 20:03.54 | valdyn | hark: i set gnome to "Debian sensible browser' ( or whatever its in english locales ) and let the alternative system deal with this |
| 20:04.57 | spar256 | heh. so dd can be used for cryptography. |
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| 20:05.57 | GarryFre | Thank you folks, I got it fixed. Had to change usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox "%s" to iceweasel "%s" It was looking to execute the wrong program at the wrong spot. :) |
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| 20:06.46 | hark | GarryFre: where is the option to set the default browser within iceweasel? |
| 20:06.54 | GarryFre | sec looking .. |
| 20:07.22 | hark | np, see it now |
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| 20:07.49 | GarryFre | Ok, don't run it it won't work. :) |
| 20:07.49 | hark | Edit->Preferences->Main |
| 20:08.07 | GarryFre | yep |
| 20:08.40 | GarryFre | Ye folks just saved me a boatload of headache. :) |
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| 20:11.56 | Gm4n | my server died arbitrarily, what logfiles should I be checking? |
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| 20:16.01 | GNU\colossus | is there a way to limit apt's fetching speed for http/ftp-connections without resorting to black QoS magic? |
| 20:17.05 | petemc | GNU\colossus: trickle |
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| 20:18.19 | GNU\colossus | petemc: thanks for the tip, that thing lloks nifty. nice to know :) |
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| 20:20.38 | guhhh | how do i change the default browser thats opened when i click a link? |
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| 20:23.26 | x_link | d |
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| 20:25.43 | level1 | hi, I'm trying to transfer music to my external hard drive so i can reinstall, but the thing keeps stalling with no error message... it just stops dead |
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| 20:26.11 | petemc | level1: nothing in dmesg or messages? |
| 20:27.26 | level1 | petemc: whats messages? |
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| 20:27.33 | level1 | petemc: theres nothing in dmesg |
| 20:27.46 | level1 | usb 5-2: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 19 |
| 20:27.57 | level1 | sorry, that was in dmesg |
| 20:28.00 | level1 | over and over |
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| 20:29.07 | Shifty | hey all |
| 20:29.09 | Shifty | how can i remove confixx? |
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| 20:32.33 | streuner | man rm |
| 20:33.05 | Shifty | streuner wiso? |
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| 20:34.18 | sylvantis | what on earth is confixx? |
| 20:34.42 | streuner | some webstuff which isnt open-source and depends a lot of headaches ;-) |
| 20:34.50 | streuner | !listkeys confixxx |
| 20:34.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'confixxx' by key returned no results. |
| 20:34.52 | streuner | !listkeys confixx |
| 20:34.53 | Shifty | administration tool |
| 20:34.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'confixx' by key returned no results. |
| 20:35.15 | sylvantis | well use apt-get remove |
| 20:35.39 | Shifty | dont works |
| 20:35.53 | streuner | its NOT open-source |
| 20:36.09 | Shifty | right... |
| 20:36.57 | sylvantis | find path/to/crapfiles -name '*files_that_math_the_crapfiles*' -exec rm '{}' \; |
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| 20:37.36 | Shifty | ? |
| 20:37.51 | sylvantis | streuner: but sun jdk is neither opensource or is it (correct me if im wrong) |
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| 20:39.49 | streuner | Its not open-source, there are some stuff in Debian (non-free), but thats unusual |
| 20:41.30 | streuner | if you have an alternative Debian usually NOT use that stuff, nvidia-glx (3D) is without alternative... |
| 20:41.44 | Shifty | how can i rebuild the locate db? |
| 20:41.52 | Knorrie | updatedb |
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| 20:42.40 | Knorrie | stupid program name :) |
| 20:42.49 | Shifty | thx |
| 20:43.07 | sylvantis | lol i got a cool fortune: The horizon of most people is a circle with a radius of zero. They call it their point of view. (alber einstein) |
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| 20:43.23 | Shifty | LOOOL |
| 20:43.33 | sylvantis | 's/alber/albert' |
| 20:43.45 | Shifty | ? |
| 20:44.11 | sylvantis | it means alber should be albert, in sed language (or vim) |
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| 20:45.59 | Shifty | ok |
| 20:46.24 | Shifty | how can i search a string in all files? |
| 20:46.34 | Shifty | like... i search confixx in all files |
| 20:46.38 | sylvantis | grep pattern files |
| 20:46.38 | lunk | grep -ir searchString *.conf |
| 20:46.48 | Shifty | thx lunk |
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| 20:47.01 | lunk | -i is case insenstive, -r is recursive, man grep == friend |
| 20:47.31 | Shifty | :D |
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| 20:48.07 | Shifty | error cant find file or directory :/ |
| 20:48.33 | sylvantis | lol |
| 20:48.49 | sylvantis | that means there are no files in $PWD that end with .conf |
| 20:48.57 | nvz | what's the best compression format for archiving photos (jpg) for storage in as little space as possible/ |
| 20:49.17 | spar256 | nvz: bz2? |
| 20:49.20 | sylvantis | tar.bz2 i think, bunzip |
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| 20:50.06 | nvz | hmm.. bz2 usually is smaller than gz but is slower from my experience |
| 20:50.31 | sylvantis | well you asked for as little space as possible, you can't have everything |
| 20:50.37 | nvz | heh yeah.. |
| 20:50.54 | nvz | I just don't want to compress em if its not actually gonna save a significant ammount of space |
| 20:51.12 | nvz | cause having them compressed makes it more difficult to index them and view them |
| 20:51.18 | sylvantis | well it is |
| 20:51.44 | Shifty | so lunk ... it doesnt work |
| 20:51.49 | sylvantis | especially a large amout of small files |
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| 20:51.59 | nvz | I'd just back em up onto dvd, except that can get confusing too.. as I got well over a full dvd worth of photos |
| 20:52.10 | sylvantis | Shifty: it does, but you should read the man page or get the syntax right |
| 20:52.12 | lunk | Shifty: read the man page to get it to work the way you want |
| 20:52.24 | kanzure | "Dynamic MMap ran out of room"- just trying to do an apt-cache search. I've tried the tricks that the Google search results suggest, but none of them are working. What should I do? |
| 20:52.26 | Shifty | ok... |
| 20:52.29 | nvz | and thats just on this one machine.. all the boxes got tons of photos.. and every year the damn cameras are taking larger and larger photos :P |
| 20:52.53 | sylvantis | lol |
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| 20:53.51 | sylvantis | nvz: you might want to take a look at squashfs maybe, it's also pretty good, though more of a hassle to setup initially, but i think that will be a lot faster than bunzip |
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| 20:53.59 | nvz | I've got approx 12G worth of photos on my drive now if I can shrink that down even like 30% to like 9G that would be cool |
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| 20:54.19 | nvz | I have no idea how many more photos are scattered around the network on other machines |
| 20:54.39 | ghatak_mobile | nvz: can't you compress using jpeg ? |
| 20:54.41 | infinity0 | i've installed the xpilotng game, and for some reason it's put the xpilotng user into the "switch login" menu in GNOME, how do i get rid of it? |
| 20:54.44 | nvz | I really want them the hell off my drive :P |
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| 20:54.59 | ghatak_mobile | nvz: rm -rf :) |
| 20:55.01 | nvz | but I got nowhere else to put them where I can access them easily when I need to |
| 20:55.06 | nvz | ghatak_mobile: heh |
| 20:55.43 | ghatak_mobile | you can normally compress photos with Jpeg compress upto 50% without loosing much quality |
| 20:55.52 | hark | kanzure: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 20:56.21 | nvz | yeah.. I'll give that a try in a little sandbox on a large directory of photos and see how much regular jpg compression saves me. |
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| 20:56.31 | ethang | hello debiants! |
| 20:56.31 | kanzure | hark: Yes, I've done all that, that's the common stuff that shows up on Google search results |
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| 20:56.54 | Shifty | lunk i dont understand |
| 20:57.04 | Shifty | it should work but ... it doesnt! |
| 20:57.07 | nvz | though afaik jpeg compression _is_ lossy where as compressing them with bz2 is not, however with jpeg compression I can still view them, with bz2 I have to decompress first |
| 20:57.08 | ethang | I can't get my mysql server to recognize any connections from any other host on the hetwork |
| 20:57.14 | ethang | any ideas? |
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| 20:57.51 | ghatak_mobile | nvz: bz2 is good for text. wont have much imact on picture data |
| 20:57.56 | sylvantis | nvz: as i said, squashfs, you can mount it and vieuw them, without extracting |
| 20:58.05 | hark | kanzure: ran an update? how many entries do you have in your sources.list? |
| 20:58.09 | sylvantis | view* |
| 20:58.22 | ghatak_mobile | nvz: 50% with High quality setting on Jpeg is pretty good, unless you got very very high resolution pictures |
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| 20:59.16 | kanzure | hark: I have 4 sources. |
| 20:59.23 | kanzure | Oops, six |
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| 20:59.25 | tuv | what's the command to list a cd/dvd media information? |
| 20:59.29 | ghatak_mobile | Jpeg uses a specific coding system to remove the unwanted pixels in a picture. bz2 and any other zip algorithm is not intelligent enough for that stuff |
| 20:59.33 | guhhh | !picpaste |
| 20:59.55 | nvz | ghatak_mobile: yeah obviously if I got over 10gb of photos I got high-res photos.. either that or I'm 200 years old and take photos 24/7 |
| 21:00.32 | ghatak_mobile | nvz: Well you could be a collector :) |
| 21:00.55 | nvz | idk I gotta go through all this crap and figure out what needs archived, what needs backed up onto removable media..etc |
| 21:01.11 | nvz | I hate doing file organization but I keep running out of space :P |
| 21:01.38 | ghatak_mobile | nvz: or if you have high speed internet then chuck everything on some free storage area such a google or aol etc |
| 21:01.59 | ghatak_mobile | use picassa or any other library management tool |
| 21:02.36 | nvz | ghatak_mobile: na, I don't trust that shit.. heh.. could be here today gone tomorrow |
| 21:02.52 | ghatak_mobile | nvz: fair enough |
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| 21:07.46 | newbie | I need to add intel DH audio into my kernel... most instructions refer to downloading a new kernel and recompiling it |
| 21:07.50 | newbie | um wtf |
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| 21:08.13 | ixion | DH=HD |
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| 21:08.22 | ixion | can I just recompile the installed kernel and add this support ? |
| 21:08.38 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: which kernel you are running |
| 21:08.39 | binfalse | sup |
| 21:08.47 | ghatak_mobile | i think it is already avaiable in most kernels |
| 21:08.52 | ixion | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:09.00 | ixion | Im trying to get audio working on a Dell GX620 |
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| 21:09.04 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: should have Intel-HD stupport |
| 21:09.33 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: you really should not need to recompile the kernel, you should be able to compile a kernel module and load it |
| 21:09.42 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: are you using Alsa ? |
| 21:09.58 | ixion | let me install it and change my default media thingy to that |
| 21:10.09 | ixion | I did this last install without any luck but ill do it again |
| 21:10.18 | ixion | I just install ALSA right.. from apt-get ? |
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| 21:11.00 | ghatak_mobile | Well, i had problems with default alsa driver, so i had to recompile alsa driver. not the entire kernel. |
| 21:11.12 | ixion | did you download it from alsa website ? |
| 21:11.25 | ghatak_mobile | i got it from alsa cvs |
| 21:11.38 | ghatak_mobile | join alsa, there are very helpful ppl there |
| 21:11.38 | ixion | ok, ill try download the source and install that |
| 21:11.52 | ixion | cool will do |
| 21:11.54 | ixion | thx |
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| 21:13.03 | ghatak_mobile | they have a script, alsa-info.sh, download it and run it. information about where to get that script can be found in alsa channel. send the output to the guys in alsa and they will help ya |
| 21:13.11 | osmosis | trying to get serial working. This doent seem to do it. ro quiet serial console=ttyS1,19200n8 |
| 21:14.23 | ghatak_mobile | osmosis: i think you will need to add a line in your /etc/inittab too. and a line after initrd in grub |
| 21:14.41 | osmosis | ghatak_mobile: oh...maybe im missing the initrd part. |
| 21:14.43 | DustyDingo | hm, strange my firefox calls gettimeofday very, very often |
| 21:15.17 | ghatak_mobile | osmosis: when init takes over from grub, it takes control of GC. hence your dont see output in console after grub. you need to tell kernel after initrd to forward output to console |
| 21:16.00 | osmosis | module /vmlinuz-2.6.19-4-server root=/dev/mapper/raid-mydisk ro serial console=ttyS1,19200n8 |
| 21:16.00 | osmosis | module /initrd.img-2.6.19-4-server |
| 21:16.08 | osmosis | thats what I am doing right now |
| 21:16.21 | DustyDingo | after the start it calls it sometimes, than a bit oftener, and then so often that it costs about 2% percent of cpu time, when only displaying one static html page |
| 21:16.31 | ixion | ghatak_mobile: no one responding in there... does this mean anything to you ? http://pastebin.ca/708464 |
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| 21:17.54 | ghatak_mobile | osmosis: you need to give initrd part too |
| 21:18.07 | osmosis | ghatak_mobile: do I just give the same thing to init ? |
| 21:18.11 | osmosis | initrd |
| 21:19.09 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: run this lsmod | grep snd |
| 21:19.18 | ghatak_mobile | what do you get, do you see some results ? |
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| 21:20.36 | ixion | ghatak_mobile: nothing |
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| 21:21.02 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: that means there is no alsa module loaded on your system |
| 21:21.13 | ixion | right....so how do I load one? :) |
| 21:21.46 | ixion | download the alsa driver from the alsa site ? |
| 21:22.05 | tuv | how can i tell the real brand of a dvd-r media? it's branded maxell but seems to be some cheap stuff |
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| 21:22.16 | tuv | i tried dvd+rw-mediainfo but couldn't tell the media brand |
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| 21:23.16 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: lshw | grep Audio |
| 21:23.23 | ghatak_mobile | run this on your box as root |
| 21:23.30 | ghatak_mobile | what is the output .... |
| 21:23.39 | ixion | I dont have that command |
| 21:23.52 | ghatak_mobile | run it as root |
| 21:23.55 | dav | to transfer a filesystem from one partition to another while trying to preserve everything, i've been using tar cplf | tar xvplf in the past. Is cp -av equivalent? Is there anything better? |
| 21:23.58 | ixion | Im su |
| 21:24.09 | lhadji | aptitude install lshw |
| 21:24.12 | ixion | k |
| 21:24.35 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: get it then, as suggested by lhadji |
| 21:24.37 | ixion | no output from that command |
| 21:24.42 | benje | dav, dd ? |
| 21:24.46 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: ahh that is bad |
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| 21:25.02 | ixion | never used this pc.... u reckon its worth me messing about with BIOS? |
| 21:25.14 | ghatak_mobile | ixion: this probably means that your hardware is not being detected at all. |
| 21:25.23 | ixion | hmm, ok, let me have a poke around in BIOS |
| 21:25.26 | ixion | laters... thanks |
| 21:25.32 | lhadji | did you run the aptitude as root? if so, check the spelling or reboot |
| 21:25.47 | ixion | ive installed it already and run the command as above |
| 21:25.52 | dav | benje: say ext3 to reiser.. |
| 21:26.03 | ixion | anyways, to the BIOS... thanks ghatak_mobile; lhadji |
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| 21:32.22 | GarryFre | guhhh Did you get the answer to your question on how to change the default browser? |
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| 21:34.21 | Nihill | Hey guys |
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| 21:40.00 | hellop | how can I make my apt-get on debian sarge update mysql to 5.0? Even tho, apt-cache-search mysql, reports only version 4.0? |
| 21:40.32 | hellop | Can I some how use the Testing or Unstable sources for my Stable distro? |
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| 21:41.08 | bit0 | hellop, add testing line into source.list |
| 21:41.12 | GNU\colossus | hellop: for your first prblem, you might wanna check www.dotdeb.org |
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| 21:41.20 | GNU\colossus | for the latter, google for "apt pinning" |
| 21:41.29 | ixion | :) |
| 21:42.09 | ixion | does anyone know if virtualbox will perform as well; better; worse than vmware workstation ? |
| 21:42.39 | hellop | GNU\colossus that looks like the ticket, thanks. |
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| 21:43.48 | wfq_ | hi |
| 21:44.02 | aleksanteri | hey, got a problem |
| 21:44.17 | GNU\colossus | ixion: roughly as well as vmware |
| 21:44.34 | aleksanteri | i wanted to try out compiz-fusion but apt-get got stuck on fusion-icon and i can't get out of it ( i get http://pastebin.com/d5c3e65a4 when i try to remove it or install it ) |
| 21:44.38 | GNU\colossus | expect no great differences |
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| 21:44.57 | ixion | presumably vmware will be a bit easier though |
| 21:45.03 | GNU\colossus | don't think so |
| 21:45.09 | GNU\colossus | vbox is as easy as it gets |
| 21:45.17 | ixion | cool ta |
| 21:45.32 | codeyman | I installed automatix2 on debian etch 4.1.. but it checks for 4.0 and exits.. is there a workaround? |
| 21:45.34 | ixion | I read something about compiling sound card drivers and got put off |
| 21:45.44 | wfq_ | I am placing a web site behind a load-balancing. On this web site there is a search which never works fine. I have placed this web iste in only one server and it always works fine |
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| 21:49.30 | hellop | so, should I uninstall mysql 4 first? |
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| 21:54.50 | Miruo | One question, if I want that some program uses different shared libs (from another version) what is the way? I have two version of sasl and two versions of postfix, but all time two instances get the same libs, any idea? |
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| 21:56.03 | aleksanteri | i wanted to try out compiz-fusion but apt-get got stuck on fusion-icon and i can't get out of it ( i get http://pastebin.com/d5c3e65a4 when i try to remove it or install it ) |
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| 21:58.07 | user1 | is there anyone who has a LVS cluster? |
| 21:58.17 | gkiagia | aleksanteri: aptitude remove fusion-icon |
| 21:58.38 | aleksanteri | gkiagia: same error |
| 21:58.50 | aleksanteri | also happens with dpkg --remove fusion-icon |
| 21:59.00 | hellop | GNU\colossus ack! It's removing my running kernel image. |
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| 22:00.29 | infinity0 | i've installed the xpilotng game, and for some reason it's put the xpilotng user into the "switch login" menu in GNOME, how do i get rid of it? |
| 22:00.50 | spx2 | infinity0: deluser ? |
| 22:01.04 | spx2 | infinity0: sudo deluser <username> |
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| 22:01.11 | infinity0 | well i don't want to delete the user, it was added automatically when the game was installed |
| 22:01.25 | infinity0 | there are loads of other users such as www-data, etc, which aren't in the GNOME login menu |
| 22:01.29 | spx2 | infinity0: so you want to delete a user without deleting it ? |
| 22:01.41 | spx2 | infinity0: you may try philosophy , I guess there's your answer ... |
| 22:01.42 | infinity0 | no, just remove it from the GNOME "switch login" list |
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| 22:01.50 | gkiagia | spx2: he wants to hide the user |
| 22:01.52 | infinity0 | --> there are loads of other users such as www-data, etc, which aren't in the GNOME login menu |
| 22:02.30 | gkiagia | aleksanteri: no idea. maybe search to see what the "the generated cache was invalid" message means... |
| 22:02.49 | jelly-home | infinity0: the packages usually created system users, not the normal ones. It might be a bug. |
| 22:03.00 | jelly-home | s/d// |
| 22:03.01 | Nihill | are there any online vendors that sell hardware geared towards linux users? |
| 22:03.07 | spx2 | infinity0: if I would use KDE,I would check out kdm , but for gnome I really don't know |
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| 22:03.43 | spx2 | infinity0: so search google for GNOME login manager to find out how it's called |
| 22:03.48 | aleksanteri | gkiagia: googled for it.. "$ sudo rm -v /var/lib/dpkg/info/fusion-icon.*" does it |
| 22:03.51 | infinity0 | jelly-home: oh ok, is there a way to change that normal one to a system one? |
| 22:03.56 | infinity0 | spx2: kk, thanks |
| 22:03.57 | spx2 | infinity0: then read up it's manpage to find out where is the config file |
| 22:04.13 | infinity0 | right, gotcha, thanks :) |
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| 22:04.31 | spx2 | infinity0: lol |
| 22:04.55 | jelly-home | infinity0: you'd need to change its uid to an available number in 100-999 range; and then fix file ownerships |
| 22:05.20 | infinity0 | it's got a uid already (and a gid as well) |
| 22:05.28 | jelly-home | infinity0: is it >= 1000? |
| 22:05.34 | infinity0 | no it's 114 |
| 22:05.38 | infinity0 | 109 sorry |
| 22:05.39 | infinity0 | 114 is the gid |
| 22:05.43 | jelly-home | hm, then it's a system user already |
| 22:06.02 | spar256 | anyone got any ideas for server purposes on a LAN? |
| 22:06.24 | jelly-home | no idea then, Gnome ought not to consider it so it might be a bug in Gnome. |
| 22:06.38 | spx2 | infinity0: ok I found the answer |
| 22:06.39 | spar256 | i got a couple: file, print, video, audio server. |
| 22:06.41 | infinity0 | hmm, okies |
| 22:06.51 | infinity0 | spx2: oh cool! what is it? |
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| 22:07.41 | empath | Heya, recommend a media player ? quickly? (for movies) |
| 22:07.56 | spar256 | empath: VLC and mplayer... |
| 22:08.05 | spx2 | infinity0: http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/gdmsetupusage.html.en#gdmsetupuserstab |
| 22:08.23 | empath | thanks |
| 22:09.07 | infinity0 | spx2: ahh thanks i'll have a poke around with that |
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| 22:10.32 | spx2 | infinity0: :) |
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| 22:15.53 | CartoonCat | anyone up for some nvidia driver issues? |
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| 22:16.40 | infinity0 | CartoonCat: i can try... what is it? |
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| 22:17.24 | CartoonCat | "it just isnt working" lol, seriously tho, im not sure what the problem is, i only know the symtoms right now |
| 22:17.45 | h3sp4wn | CartoonCat: sid ? |
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| 22:17.51 | CartoonCat | glxinfo is segfaulting, glxgears is erroring with can not find a double buffered visual |
| 22:17.54 | CartoonCat | etch |
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| 22:18.05 | h3sp4wn | CartoonCat: nvidia.com installer ? |
| 22:18.15 | sine | ok its great but fucking hell you can stress overload when learning linux |
| 22:18.24 | CartoonCat | I have followed 2 diff install methods, one "the debian way" and the other the nvidia installer |
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| 22:18.36 | h3sp4wn | CartoonCat: what card ? |
| 22:18.46 | CartoonCat | GF2 GTS |
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| 22:18.54 | CartoonCat | yea, old old |
| 22:19.00 | h3sp4wn | CartoonCat: using -legacy ? |
| 22:19.06 | CartoonCat | Yes, the 7185's |
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| 22:20.26 | mooper | Anyone tell me how I filter stuff marked [SPAM] in horde? |
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| 22:20.51 | CartoonCat | mooper, you need to back up to where you login and select Filters |
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| 22:20.58 | NaufraGo | hi. how can I open my usb device by terminal_ |
| 22:20.59 | NaufraGo | ? |
| 22:21.02 | CartoonCat | (at least thats how i do it on my host, ymmv) |
| 22:21.10 | silent[ca] | by default, are wireless routers set to infrastructure or ad-hoc mode? |
| 22:21.17 | tabris|away | infrastructure |
| 22:21.43 | rswarbrick | NaufraGo: pmount maybe? |
| 22:22.01 | rswarbrick | It'll probably be called /dev/sda1 or something |
| 22:22.32 | infinity0 | spx2: oh, that wasn't it, that only controls the face browser on the login panel, which is fine, but what i was talking about was the "switch login" screen when you lock your screen and try to use the computer again |
| 22:22.39 | infinity0 | spx2: thanks for trying to help though :) |
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| 22:25.28 | NaufraGo | don-t know what device should I open, I mean, don-t know how it-s called |
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| 22:31.21 | ethang | woohoo! |
| 22:31.30 | NaufraGo | DocPlatypus disconfigured keyboard |
| 22:31.47 | DocPlatypus | ah |
| 22:31.49 | DocPlatypus | I hate that |
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| 22:32.11 | asdfdkeke | I have a dlink DI-524, can anyone tell me which (11g, 11b, super g) setting to use? (connection timed out) |
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| 22:32.38 | ethang | i'm learning to use this whole text-mode system dealy and i got bitchx to work! |
| 22:32.43 | ethang | yay! |
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| 22:32.59 | hellop | The provided postinst hook script [/sbin/update-grub] could not be run. |
| 22:33.37 | ethang | is there some package that will let me access the mp3s on the big computer and stream them to my text-only laptop? |
| 22:34.21 | mooper | CartoonCat, I dont see any options for filters |
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| 22:35.01 | hellop | I tried to install dotdeb mysql, it began to remove my kernel, since I had no spare, I cancelled, and tried to d/l in this order, image, source, headers, all give the above error. |
| 22:36.07 | hellop | initrd.img(/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 22:36.07 | hellop | ) points to /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 22:36.07 | hellop | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.22 | hellop | That's the best of an error I see. Any ideas? |
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| 22:37.50 | sine | i hate it when movies talk computers |
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| 22:39.46 | Aidis | Hi guys, anyone know what depedencies qc-usb has to compile? my system is very minimal as its running on an arm machine |
| 22:40.08 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: use apt-get -s build-dep |
| 22:40.37 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: or do you mean - qc-usb-source ? |
| 22:40.55 | Aidis | Those dont exist as packages on the ARM version |
| 22:41.05 | Aidis | I have to download the source |
| 22:41.07 | Aidis | From the website |
| 22:41.10 | Aidis | And make all |
| 22:41.19 | Aidis | Then insmod the module |
| 22:41.37 | h3sp4wn | Architecture: all |
| 22:41.40 | h3sp4wn | (at least on sid that is) |
| 22:41.43 | Aidis | But its giving me a WHOLE lot of errors, and it probably wants something that is assumed for most installations |
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| 22:42.33 | h3sp4wn | kernel headers symlinked to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build and gcc |
| 22:42.47 | Aidis | slug:/home/slug# apt-get install qc-usb* |
| 22:42.47 | Aidis | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:42.47 | Aidis | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 22:42.47 | Aidis | E: Couldn't find package qc-usb-0.6.5 |
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| 22:45.24 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, shouldnt the package linux-kernel-headers do that automaticly? |
| 22:45.45 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: yes presuming you are upto date |
| 22:45.52 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: what does - uname -r say |
| 22:46.25 | h3sp4wn | (If you have the security repository enabled then you would have had to have reflashed to 18-5 |
| 22:46.29 | Aidis | Well i am since i just did a dist-upgrade, i am running 2.6.18-5 |
| 22:46.45 | Aidis | 2.6.18-5-ixp4xx |
| 22:46.51 | h3sp4wn | And the dist-upgrade upgrades the kernel in flash ? |
| 22:47.00 | Aidis | flash? |
| 22:47.11 | Aidis | Its a real distro |
| 22:47.13 | Aidis | As in |
| 22:47.14 | Aidis | RW |
| 22:47.18 | Aidis | Its not read only |
| 22:47.19 | gilesww | evenin dudes |
| 22:47.26 | gilesww | +dudettes |
| 22:47.42 | Aidis | Its an NSLU2 with an external 2 GB USB drive |
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| 22:47.57 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: Last time I read about that - the kernel went into the flash and the filesystem went onto the external disk |
| 22:47.58 | gilesww | just swapped lighty for apache2 on my nanoitx system |
| 22:48.06 | gilesww | speed difference is amazing |
| 22:48.10 | gilesww | php5 fcgi |
| 22:48.44 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, the kernel is in the filesystem since uname returns 2.6.18 and when i first installed it it had 2.6.17 |
| 22:48.55 | Aidis | I upgraded to 2.6.18 yesterday |
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| 22:49.13 | Aidis | The bootloader goes in the flash |
| 22:49.21 | Aidis | And the whole distro goes in the external drive |
| 22:50.42 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: Interesting - my slug doesn't run debian anymore (too slow) http://peter.korsgaard.com/articles/debian-nslu2.php (but when I did try it I had to do that sort of a procedure) |
| 22:51.01 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, its running pretty fast with apache/samba |
| 22:51.08 | Aidis | I mean, 45% ram |
| 22:51.15 | Aidis | And cpu is pretty low all the time |
| 22:51.36 | Aidis | It hasnt used the swap yet |
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| 22:52.21 | Aidis | The new versions are a bit different, you dont have an installer anymore |
| 22:52.41 | Aidis | Basiclaly you have some kind of bootloader on the flash that searches for a bootable partition and loads the kernel |
| 22:52.59 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: /msg dpkg simple sid backport (qc-usb | 0.6.6-2 | http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/main Sources) |
| 22:53.01 | broken | I've been trying to figure this out, I've got fnfxd installed and im checking the description and it says to use I need to have kernel 2.6.x and toshiba support, CONFIG_ACPI and CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA and I checked the .config and i have them both, the CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m and the ACPI=y, i don' tknow how else to control LCD brightness on my laptop. |
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| 22:54.06 | thomas001 | after my last dist-upgrade on sid/amd64 aptitude dist-upgrade happens to crash. http://rafb.net/p/GHIbXY50.html the apt version is the same as testing and i also tried a libc6 downgrade to the testing version without any effect. what may be wrong? |
| 22:54.19 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: Looking in the debian source (there is a patch for 2.6.18) |
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| 22:54.46 | Aidis | Doesnt a patch mean i have to recompile the kernel? |
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| 22:55.18 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: actually as its architecture all you could just download and install it (but you would still need to build the utils anyway) |
| 22:55.30 | h3sp4wn | No you are building an external module |
| 22:55.35 | h3sp4wn | the patch is only for that |
| 22:56.17 | Aidis | So i build the external module or apply the patch? Or isnt the patch so you dont need an external module? |
| 22:56.20 | Aidis | I have the patch |
| 22:56.27 | Aidis | Its in the downloaded tarball |
| 22:56.56 | h3sp4wn | You should use module assistant and a backport |
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| 22:57.15 | h3sp4wn | or if it doesn't work post what m-a says |
| 22:58.02 | en1gma | can someone help me out with my abit serillel 2 adapter that hooks my ide dvd-rom to my sata1 connector on my motherboard |
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| 22:58.26 | en1gma | http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?p=874799#post874799 <<<i am tdbone1 on that thread at the bottom |
| 22:58.45 | Aidis | right, im downloading module-assistant, this should help me compile and install the module right? |
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| 22:59.29 | deimos_ | hi |
| 23:00.39 | deimos_ | i've built kde4 with kdesvn-build, and now i've kde4 on ~/kde/ |
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| 23:00.43 | deimos_ | how can i run it ? |
| 23:00.46 | Aidis | Package qc-usb-source was not built successfully, see /var/cache/modass/qc-usb-source*buildlog* for details! |
| 23:00.52 | Aidis | great :P |
| 23:01.10 | hellop | That was weird.. I had grub as a boot loader, but no update-grub. |
| 23:01.19 | hellop | so I apt-get grub |
| 23:01.36 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: firstly you should do it as root |
| 23:01.44 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: and post the build log |
| 23:01.46 | btherman | I'm trying to install Debian testing on my computer using the netinst cd while on my university's network (which requires that you login before using the network). Since I need to login first, it hangs at the "setting time using ntp server." How can I resolve this issue? |
| 23:01.52 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, i only have root, its a nslu2 |
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| 23:02.38 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: pastebin /var/cache/modass/qc-usb-source*buildlog* |
| 23:02.42 | Aidis | It doesnt exist |
| 23:03.21 | h3sp4wn | did you run prepare first ? |
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| 23:03.36 | h3sp4wn | It should exist (presuming you haven't done anything to var purposely) |
| 23:03.42 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, ill do it again. |
| 23:03.48 | hellop | btherman, download the full install CD |
| 23:03.55 | btherman | hellop: ah, so there's no other way? |
| 23:04.11 | btherman | hellop: any console browsers or anything that can access the internet on the cd that I could use to login first? |
| 23:04.15 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:04.16 | yassine | hi everyone, i tried to search for streamdev-plugin for vdr using apt-cache search streamdev-plugin but i could not find any does this mean that there is none on debian or did it missed something? |
| 23:04.16 | Aidis | oh it needed a bunch of other stuff |
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| 23:04.25 | Aidis | gettext and stuff |
| 23:04.29 | Aidis | its getting them now |
| 23:05.01 | hellop | btherman, sure, links |
| 23:05.12 | Aidis | or lynx |
| 23:05.25 | btherman | hellop: how would I access them? |
| 23:05.28 | h3sp4wn | yassine: I know kanotix did / (does ?) support vdr |
| 23:05.48 | hellop | get to a console, and try apt-get install links |
| 23:05.49 | btherman | hellop: I tried switching to the other virtual consoles, but all they give me is the "enter to activate console," which gives me a command line with a very limited amount of commands |
| 23:05.54 | yassine | h3sp4wn, thanks let me see if i can google more |
| 23:06.07 | btherman | hellop: wouldn't that need internet though? |
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| 23:06.29 | hellop | btherman, not if it's on the cd |
| 23:06.46 | osmosis | trying to use serial console, but I see nothing after grub says, Starting up ... |
| 23:07.06 | btherman | hellop: okay, I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 23:07.09 | hellop | you'll have to see if there's a browser on the cd, or at least wget, or have the .deb and deps for links on another host/drive |
| 23:07.11 | hellop | soh |
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| 23:07.46 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, did you consider making your slug a VeryFatSlug? |
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| 23:08.15 | osmosis | not sure what this question mark is for. http://dpaste.com/20477/ |
| 23:08.45 | hellop | Ahah I have upgraded my kernel and installed Mysql5.0! |
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| 23:09.13 | kspath | hellop: is that an upgrade? did you try postgresql? |
| 23:09.23 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: Is that 256MB of ram / |
| 23:09.31 | Aidis | Yes |
| 23:09.59 | hellop | kspath, eh.. I just want my makedate function. |
| 23:10.51 | Aidis | module-assistant is awesome, the more i play with these cool debian features the more i think how outdated slackware is |
| 23:10.54 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: Not really don't have good enough solder stuff to do it here (and 266mhz is not enough) |
| 23:11.16 | Aidis | Do you think its enough for streaming a small webcam h3sp4wn? |
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| 23:13.09 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: No idea depends how much floating point it uses |
| 23:13.23 | en1gma | when i do an lsmod i see "sata_nv" and "sata_sil" now i dont have nvraid on this board so im wondering what is the command to stop that from loading when i boot up |
| 23:13.27 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: (if it does use lots of floating point you might want to try debian armel |
| 23:13.46 | Aidis | I was going to use it as a robot controller |
| 23:14.13 | en1gma | would it be 'modprobe -r sata_nv' |
| 23:14.18 | Aidis | I was going to put a USB Wireless card and USB Cam and USB Motor Driver (on a usb hub) |
| 23:14.23 | en1gma | or does that not remove it perm |
| 23:14.50 | h3sp4wn | !tell en1gma about blacklist |
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| 23:15.09 | Dani2006_48910 | hey |
| 23:15.46 | en1gma | h3sp4wn thnx |
| 23:16.20 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: Not sure if its too slow try an embedded slug distro (or maybe emdebian if it supports the slug) |
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| 23:17.58 | broken | i've tried every synaptics package and my mouse still move slike crap. |
| 23:18.06 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, quikcam module is up and running and my quickcam express is plugged in, is there a way to take snapshots in to jpeg format by default? |
| 23:18.10 | Aidis | Like soome kind of command? |
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| 23:18.57 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: No idea now (never wanted to use a webcam before or tried) |
| 23:19.19 | Aidis | yeay i have a video0 device. |
| 23:19.53 | h3sp4wn | I would look for something that uses imlib2 (that is very efficient) |
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| 23:22.24 | h3sp4wn | Aidis: I take it you have looked in the qc-usb-tools package right ? |
| 23:22.38 | h3sp4wn | s/tools/utils |
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| 23:24.54 | broken | Seriously, wtf the sensitivity is so high on this i have to press down hard to actually move the mouse. |
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| 23:25.55 | zinx | broken: that would be low sensitivity... |
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| 23:26.39 | yassine | can i combine packages from lenny and etch on one box? |
| 23:26.52 | zinx | yassine: no |
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| 23:26.53 | simonrvn | not recommended |
| 23:27.00 | zinx | yassine: you can get packages from backports.org, however |
| 23:27.13 | broken | whatever .. if someone knows how to change it because arch seems to have it righ tgentoo seems to do it, and id oubt they have more packages or something is better supported. |
| 23:27.43 | yassine | zinx, i have a lenny system and need to install patched packages from this repo : http://www.e-tobi.net/blog/articles/2007/03/24/living-on-the-etch |
| 23:27.46 | zinx | broken: ensure the xorg.conf is using the synaptics driver, and use a synaptics configuration utility to lower the sensitivity |
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| 23:27.57 | zinx | yassine: no, don't do that |
| 23:28.24 | zinx | yassine: get the source debs and rebuild the packages, if possible |
| 23:28.25 | broken | zinx: i've done that wiht gsynaptics, qsynaptics, copied configs from ubunut forums, copied configs from gentoo docs, and checked the kernel as well. |
| 23:28.40 | yassine | zinx, my problem is that the official repository does not provided the needed package which is streamdev-plugin for vdr |
| 23:28.45 | zinx | broken: you explicitly lowered the sensitivity of the device? |
| 23:28.59 | zinx | broken: that specificly is what needs to be done - nothing else is going to fix your problem |
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| 23:29.10 | zinx | broken: and not the sensitivity of the cursor - the sensitivity of the touch pad |
| 23:29.30 | yassine | zinx, you mean to compile my own package out of the patched stuff? |
| 23:29.35 | broken | yea i've done that. what i don't understand is why its not being seen as the mouse.. i never had to use synaptics driver anywhere else i could handle the sensitity from the mouse menus. |
| 23:29.37 | zinx | yassine: yes |
| 23:29.50 | zinx | yassine: it's a very bad idea to mix releases in debian |
| 23:30.12 | broken | Its just a normal toshiba touchpad. :/ |
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| 23:30.44 | xstasi | hi |
| 23:30.55 | h3sp4wn | yassine: you can mix lenny/sid if you want - /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
| 23:31.06 | h3sp4wn | not etch and anything (except backports.org) |
| 23:31.13 | xstasi | is there a way to tell the installer not to wipe the whole hd (blockdev-wipe) when installing with crypto? |
| 23:31.39 | en1gma | when i do a "debian floppy install" its not reading my dvd-rom plugged into sata1 port. do i need to give it a command at boot time |
| 23:31.45 | en1gma | or a driver i need to load |
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| 23:32.38 | yassine | h3sp4wn, zinx i was confusing things, i was thinking that since lenny == experimental of etch,l can use the base system which is etch, but i think its not that easy as it seems |
| 23:33.07 | h3sp4wn | yassine: lenny == testing |
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| 23:33.14 | h3sp4wn | yassine: etch == stable |
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| 23:33.26 | broken_ | My internet died, zinx did you say something? |
| 23:33.33 | yassine | h3sp4wn, got it now thanks |
| 23:33.44 | broken_ | My touchpad/mouse doesn't even work now. |
| 23:33.47 | broken_ | wtf. |
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| 23:34.13 | zinx_ | broken_: mine too :/ |
| 23:34.37 | zinx_ | broken_: < zinx> broken: that is a different sensitivity < zinx> (really, that option should be called speed or something, not sensitivity) < zinx> but alas, someone decided to call it that in the past, and it stuck |
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| 23:35.12 | zinx_ | broken_: basically, there are two different options - altering one doesn't affect the other, because they do completely different things. what you need to change is the sensitivity of the touch pad - it needs to be lowered. |
| 23:35.21 | Aidis | how do you send stderr to /dev/null h3sp4wn? |
| 23:35.27 | zinx_ | broken_: it shouldn't be something that changes the speed of the mouse cursor |
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| 23:35.47 | zinx_ | broken_: it only alters how hard you have to press the touch pad before it registers a touch |
| 23:35.51 | broken_ | zinx_: it will chang ethe speed of the mouse cursor. |
| 23:35.55 | broken_ | Or what changes that? |
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| 23:36.05 | zinx_ | broken_: No. You want the sensitivity setting that *DOESN'T* change that. |
| 23:36.17 | broken_ | I want to change both the speed and sensitivity. |
| 23:36.25 | broken_ | I don't notice anything when i turn it to low, or high. |
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| 23:36.28 | zinx_ | broken_: well, you can do that too, but they are separate options |
| 23:36.38 | Aidis | oh its &> cool |
| 23:37.51 | broken_ | zinx: my mouse isn't even working now |
| 23:38.03 | broken_ | err touchpad, so im going to reboot and see what happens. |
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| 23:39.16 | LinuxNIT-II | does anyone know how to get scroll bars working on an alps touchpad? |
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| 23:41.31 | broken_ | zinx: my touchpad doesn't work anymore. |
| 23:41.44 | factor | what was that source code project tracker name? it was like oulho or something |
| 23:41.49 | zinx | broken_: what'd you do? |
| 23:42.45 | broken_ | zinx: i put in some options in xorg.conf |
| 23:43.00 | broken_ | only the buttons on it work, left button and right button .. this is frusturating. |
| 23:43.04 | zinx | broken_: revert to an older version, or remove the options |
| 23:43.20 | factor | ahh found it ohloh |
| 23:43.29 | broken_ | I've had this distro for like 4 days now but im tired of this mouse issue. |
| 23:43.40 | zinx | broken_: well, you can always switch |
| 23:43.51 | zinx | broken_: that's why multiple distros exist in the first place |
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| 23:44.27 | broken_ | zinx: it seems every distro has some fault. |
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| 23:44.47 | zinx | broken_: yes, and that is why people want to switch :) |
| 23:44.57 | broken_ | arch just shuts off my computer randomly. lol |
| 23:45.09 | zinx | broken_: fwiw i haven't had trouble w/ my touchpad, after configuring it properly in xorg.conf |
| 23:45.48 | broken_ | yea i bet its solvable. |
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| 23:46.23 | broken_ | let me reboot again. |
| 23:46.31 | Supaplex | !tell DarkHack -about away |
| 23:46.36 | zinx | broken_: (making it use the synaptics driver properly gets the synaptics configuration stuff like gsynaptics and the scroll behavior working) |
| 23:46.39 | zinx | oh, jeez |
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| 23:49.48 | stiv2k | is dialogue a word? |
| 23:49.52 | stiv2k | or is it dialog |
| 23:50.00 | zinx | they are both words, the latter is a computing term |
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| 23:50.09 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, http://www.skyexpress.gr/aidis/slug.jpg |
| 23:50.16 | stiv2k | zinx: so dialogue is for when two people are speaking to eachother |
| 23:50.21 | zinx | stiv2k: correct |
| 23:50.22 | stiv2k | k |
| 23:50.40 | stiv2k | zinx: i wonder why OO.o thinks it's incorrect |
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| 23:50.56 | Aidis | h3sp4wn, sorry http://www.skyexpress.gr/aidis/slug.jpeg * |
| 23:51.11 | zinx | stiv2k: dunno, aspell thinks it's wrong too, though. |
| 23:51.19 | stiv2k | heh |
| 23:51.36 | zinx | stiv2k: (it is correct, however) |
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| 23:57.52 | \amethyst | zinx: aspell has "dialog" in the American dictionary, "dialogue" in the british |
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| 23:57.57 | Jla4ko | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.07 | Supaplex | !tell Jla4ko -about ask |
| 23:58.17 | zinx | \amethyst: interesting |
| 23:58.28 | zinx | \amethyst: americans must have let computing corrupt their words :D |
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| 23:58.55 | zinx | (or aspell got it wrong) |
| 23:59.05 | Supaplex | !blame aspell |
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