| 00:00.04 | jelly-home | (for $0) |
| 00:00.20 | magyar | jelly-home: are they in any debian repos? |
| 00:00.33 | magyar | vmware is for windoz |
| 00:00.42 | jelly-home | magyar: negative... virtualbox has their own debs though |
| 00:01.06 | sinizzl | hmm |
| 00:01.10 | jelly-home | and it could be packaged if someone bothered |
| 00:01.14 | magyar | jelly-home: hmm, sweet |
| 00:01.20 | sinizzl | magyar: getting new kernel and try it with qemu ? |
| 00:01.32 | jelly-home | magyar: vmware-server is more stable IME |
| 00:01.52 | widrone | virtual box got their own debian/ubuntu repos I think, have a look at their page. |
| 00:01.56 | magyar | sinizzl: i could never get it working with 2.6.20 nor 2.6.21 on lenny |
| 00:02.05 | jelly-home | magyar: also, virtualbox doesn't support 64bit guests yet (vmware does) |
| 00:02.17 | sinizzl | magyar: was this with a custom kernel ? |
| 00:02.32 | magyar | jelly-home: is there a deb for vmware? |
| 00:02.49 | magyar | sinizzl: nope , debian stock |
| 00:02.51 | jelly-home | magyar: no, but their installer is reasonable |
| 00:02.55 | sinizzl | mhhh |
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| 00:03.12 | magyar | jelly-home: does it need root access? |
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| 00:03.25 | jelly-home | magyar: it does, modules need to be built |
| 00:03.27 | sinizzl | magyar: it works flawlessly here with a custom kernel.... it's not that custom since it's a macbook-tuned .config i got from gentoo-wiki.com and tweaked it a little to my needs... |
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| 00:03.55 | sinizzl | i can even used my simulated right-mouse-button within windows xp |
| 00:03.58 | sinizzl | -d |
| 00:04.15 | magyar | jelly-home: don't really trust these third pary modules, might make the system less stable |
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| 00:04.25 | magyar | s/pary/party |
| 00:04.35 | jelly-home | magyar: been running it for 3 years now |
| 00:04.42 | sinizzl | magyar: even if they're gpl ? |
| 00:05.04 | magyar | sinizzl: thats a retorical question |
| 00:05.11 | jelly-home | sinizzl: hm, are vmmon and vmnet gpled? |
| 00:05.17 | sinizzl | jelly-home: i dunno |
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| 00:05.30 | jelly-home | sinizzl: why did you ask it then? |
| 00:05.36 | sinizzl | magyar: my gpl-driver powered rt2570 is not in debian stock kernel (etch) |
| 00:06.07 | sinizzl | but the system's been running flawlessly for months |
| 00:06.26 | magyar | sinizzl: as long as the source is available , play ball I say |
| 00:06.32 | timthelion | I have a network printer, with a cups url, ie http://192.168.1.144:631/printers/hp5550 how do I print to this printer from my laptop(running debian) |
| 00:06.38 | sinizzl | so i dont really get why the drivers are not in the vanilla kernel |
| 00:06.42 | wols_ | sinizzl: apt-cache search ralink |
| 00:06.47 | wols_ | sinizzl: it is in etch afaik |
| 00:06.49 | sinizzl | wols_: i installed it already |
| 00:07.07 | sinizzl | wols_: but it's not in the vanilla sources nor is it by default available due to some stability issues |
| 00:07.24 | sinizzl | i use it with hostapd cvs and created an access point |
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| 00:07.32 | magyar | timthelion: configure your system to print to a cups printer |
| 00:07.41 | sinizzl | it's been running perfectly stables for months now.... |
| 00:07.44 | timthelion | magyar: how? |
| 00:07.46 | muh2000 | ok i fixed the login name problem. but i cant change the password :( passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 00:08.06 | sinizzl | only with WEP encryption though... never really bothered about that WPA thingy |
| 00:08.13 | timthelion | magyar: I know how to do that in say, gnome, but I don't have any heavy de's installed on this lappy |
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| 00:09.56 | magyar | timthelion: install cups client and go from there |
| 00:09.59 | magyar | man cups |
| 00:09.59 | jelly-home | timthelion: there's always the standard cups interface at http://localhost:631/ |
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| 00:10.45 | jmichaelx | i installed the small xfce panel for changing the user interface settings (i am running KDE/lenny), but i still have not seen how to change the look of apps like firefox and pidgin to fit better with KDE... any recommendations? |
| 00:10.54 | jmichaelx | i may be out of luck using lenny |
| 00:11.01 | jelly-home | timthelion: you should be able to log in to it as root and add your remote cups printer |
| 00:11.31 | jelly-home | jmichaelx: gtk-qt-engine? |
| 00:11.41 | timthelion | jelly-home: cool, |
| 00:11.54 | dv_ | I see the news headlines in slashdot 2012. |
| 00:12.03 | dv_ | gtk 4.0 and qt 7 merged to qtk. |
| 00:12.35 | jelly-home | jmichaelx: I installed gtk-qt-engine and gtk-chtheme (only in testing/unstable, sorry) and changed the GTK2 theme to the one called "Qt" |
| 00:12.39 | jmichaelx | jelly-home: that appears to be it...i'll give it a try |
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| 00:13.06 | jelly-home | jmichaelx: the engine is buggy for some people |
| 00:13.59 | jelly-home | jmichaelx: it works for me. konqueror, xchat and xfce look reasonably alike |
| 00:15.03 | jmichaelx | jelly-home: yes, i just tried it and that is what i was looking for, ty |
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| 00:16.50 | timthelion | wow! zounds that was easy! |
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| 00:23.15 | SuperFreak | i need help. My TRS80 wont boot from the Fedora Live Disk i made. Can anyone help? |
| 00:23.21 | jelly-home | dv_: windows will have speech interface that works and gestures... like closing the window with the middle finger gesture. :-) |
| 00:23.29 | jelly-home | !penixstrike SuperFreak |
| 00:23.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking SuperFreak to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 00:24.22 | SuperFreak | yeah dpkg? Well i left a wetspot on your moms leg and *boom* there you were |
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| 00:25.58 | kire_ | Hello. Invoking jack with jack -d alsa i get an error: ALSA: cannot configure channel. Why? |
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| 00:26.35 | jelly-home | cafuego: you're here just in time to preemptively silence a troll! :-) You'll recognize him by the next line he writes. |
| 00:26.53 | dvs | hello |
| 00:26.55 | SuperFreak | anyone help me install my windows vista ultimate? cuz i want the ultimate windows experience |
| 00:27.05 | SuperFreak | hi |
| 00:27.12 | dalias | hahahah jelly-home :) |
| 00:27.14 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.33 | dalias | i know a linux command that makes windows run a lot better |
| 00:27.36 | dalias | try this superfreak |
| 00:27.51 | SuperFreak | we all know how linux ripped off bill gates windows 98 holland edition |
| 00:27.54 | dalias | boot up a linux cd or rescue disk and run "mke2fs /dev/hda" |
| 00:28.11 | SuperFreak | fuck that |
| 00:28.12 | dalias | errm |
| 00:28.15 | dalias | /dev/hda1 |
| 00:28.19 | SuperFreak | i know what that does you hole |
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| 00:29.19 | bagualas | hello, I'm usign transparent proxy, but now I can't see the apache from my lan... help? |
| 00:29.26 | stew | SuperFreak: do you have a debian related question? |
| 00:29.28 | amphi | dalias: /dev/hda would do quite nicely ;) |
| 00:29.39 | SuperFreak | that is because it is transparent |
| 00:30.23 | SuperFreak | im installing it on my 386 sx16 with my 8 megs of super fast simm ram |
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| 00:30.37 | cafuego | jelly-home: the 80s have a LOT to answer for |
| 00:30.48 | stew | SuperFreak: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it on-topic in the future |
| 00:31.45 | jelly-home | cafuego: I can't touch that. |
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| 00:33.47 | dalias | amphi, well i wanted to give some useful advice |
| 00:33.48 | jelly-home | and with http://xkcd.com/108/ I close that reference. |
| 00:33.50 | dalias | not just ruin his hdd |
| 00:34.00 | dalias | :) |
| 00:34.01 | kire_ | no ideas about a not-starting jack with alsa? |
| 00:36.28 | widrone | I did the 80s, even saw the hammer live. Still after all this time its burned in my mind. |
| 00:36.41 | dvs | widrone: poor soul |
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| 00:42.54 | karsten | stew: Hey, welcome back. |
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| 00:45.16 | stew | karsten: hiya |
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| 00:46.50 | grilled-cheese | i ran a aptitude purge on phpmyadmin, it also deleted all but the base apache2, now i've reinstalled all the php modules, but whenever a web browser tries to get a php page, it tries to download it |
| 00:46.51 | CrippsFX | I'm running sid, and I have cups and gutenprint installed, but using kprint when I go to add my printer, I have no option of adding a local queue ... my printer is a canon i560, communicating via USB ... are there any suggestions as to how I can get this to work? |
| 00:47.12 | sixty6billy | hi, i just unzipped a ttf font into my homedir, and was meandering around /etc/X11 and they appeared in ...X11/fonts/100dpi. a) how did this happen and b) how do i go about telling a particular program to use it... |
| 00:47.16 | karsten | 'sg' is the generic SCSI driver, is that all you need (plus device) for disk access? |
| 00:47.20 | stew | grilled-cheese: "a2enmod php5" |
| 00:47.26 | karsten | 02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion- |
| 00:47.27 | karsten | MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 08) |
| 00:47.42 | widrone | grilled-cheese: Maybe mimetypes in apache config? |
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| 00:47.57 | karsten | sixty6billy: Well, did the tarball have an absolute path and were you playing as root? |
| 00:48.14 | widrone | grilled-cheese: Or what its called again, in the section where you tell apache what to do with different filetypes. |
| 00:48.44 | stew | widrone: you mean /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf, which is enabled when he runs a2enmod php5 |
| 00:48.45 | grilled-cheese | widrone: httpd.conf |
| 00:48.52 | stew | grilled-cheese: not httpd.conf |
| 00:49.01 | SuperFreak | i like pcp |
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| 00:49.32 | karsten | stew: Slow learner. |
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| 00:49.46 | karsten | stew: Not referring to yourself. |
| 00:50.03 | widrone | grilled-cheese: Listen to stew! |
| 00:50.12 | sixty6billy | karsten: wasn't root, unzipped relative path... |
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| 00:50.56 | karsten | sixty6billy: Hrm. |
| 00:50.59 | karsten | stew: /msg |
| 00:51.04 | sixty6billy | karsten: acually, "unzip file.zip" so dunno about path |
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| 00:51.34 | grilled-cheese | cool, thanks stew |
| 00:51.41 | karsten | sixty6billy: I don't know if zipfiles do absolute paths, but I suspect something else is at hand here. |
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| 00:53.40 | sixty6billy | karsten: yeah, i was fairly surprised alright. at the same time, xorg already had the freetype module loaded, but is there a daemon which would have been automatically informed of a new ttf file? |
| 00:55.21 | grilled-cheese | has anybody experienced any problems with phpmyadmin in lenny related to logins? |
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| 00:56.00 | Supaplex | grilled-cheese: have you checked bts? |
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| 00:56.23 | sixty6billy | karsten: needless to say i don't really know what i'm talking about. |
| 00:56.34 | grilled-cheese | for some reason phpmyadmin fails to login with the mysql root credientials that do work on the command line |
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| 00:57.05 | grilled-cheese | Supaplex: bts? |
| 00:57.12 | Supaplex | !tell grilled-cheese -about bts |
| 00:57.56 | grilled-cheese | oh, the acronym threw me off |
| 00:58.13 | Supaplex | apt-listbugs is good to :) |
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| 00:59.42 | CrippsFX | has anybody had the issue where kdeprint won't let you choose "local printer" in the "add new printer" wizard, even though the printer in question is pluggend in and turned on? (using cups as the backend) |
| 01:00.12 | grilled-cheese | CrippsFX: have you looked at dmesg? |
| 01:00.35 | CrippsFX | lp: driver loaded but no devices found |
| 01:00.46 | CrippsFX | grilled-cheese, that was for you. |
| 01:01.28 | grilled-cheese | where did that come from, lp or dmesg |
| 01:01.38 | CrippsFX | it came from dmesg |
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| 01:01.51 | grilled-cheese | usb or parrallel |
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| 01:01.56 | CrippsFX | usb |
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| 01:02.51 | grilled-cheese | what does CrippsFX anything useful out of lsusb? |
| 01:03.26 | dalias | is SuperFreak spamming anyone else? |
| 01:03.34 | CrippsFX | nope, it just says bus001, bus002, and bus003 |
| 01:03.42 | grilled-cheese | hmm.... |
| 01:03.56 | Kesara | hello |
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| 01:04.13 | CrippsFX | grilled-cheese, oh, for f***k's sake ... I decided to check the connection on the printer end because of that ... |
| 01:04.24 | CrippsFX | grilled-cheese, the usb connection was loose on the printer. |
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| 01:04.33 | CrippsFX | I hope this works now. |
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| 01:04.55 | Kesara | i want to do a network based installation and i want a bleeding edge realese. what should i dowonload? |
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| 01:04.59 | stew | dalias: if he is, report it in #freenode |
| 01:05.02 | Kesara | download |
| 01:05.16 | Kesara | bit confused about code names.. :) |
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| 01:05.25 | grilled-cheese | Kesara: sid |
| 01:05.27 | CrippsFX | grilled-cheese, yeah, that seemed to be the problem. |
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| 01:05.40 | Kesara | grilled-cheese: k thx |
| 01:05.40 | jetole | hey guys, can anyone tell me how to find a list of what packages were added to my system lately? |
| 01:05.42 | CrippsFX | grilled-cheese, thanks ... I don't think it would have hit me to try lsusb |
| 01:06.12 | grilled-cheese | CrippsFX: sometimes everybody gets hit with the clueby4 |
| 01:06.15 | dalias | stew, he seems to have stopped now |
| 01:06.28 | CrippsFX | grilled-cheese, it's true :P |
| 01:06.58 | Supaplex | jetole: there are backups of package states in /var/backups/ |
| 01:07.15 | grilled-cheese | Supaplex: so there is no stated bug report on phpmyadmin related to logins, any ideas? |
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| 01:07.44 | Supaplex | grilled-cheese: no idea. I don't generally use php, or phpmyadmin, or mysql. :) |
| 01:08.58 | grilled-cheese | ok, so brief problem restate to everybody else, any ideas why phpmyadmin would deny a valid mysql root credential? |
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| 01:09.33 | stew2 | dalias, go screw.... karsten shut your hole and stew was found tapping his foot in a airport in minnesota....oooohhhhhhh... |
| 01:09.38 | stew2 | peace out |
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| 01:10.38 | dalias | ... |
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| 01:10.41 | Nyle | the fuck? |
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| 01:10.45 | dalias | this is him |
| 01:10.54 | Nyle | oh I was about to say |
| 01:10.57 | Supaplex | grilled-cheese: try tracing the code. catch it before it does a login, see if it's what you expect. Does a sample php script work properly? connect, login, "select 1;", ? |
| 01:11.02 | Nyle | wtf is going on, stew is being weird but its not him |
| 01:11.23 | Supaplex | Nyle: it's the excess narcotics in your energy drink |
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| 01:12.01 | Nyle | no, I just looked in the window and saw stew2 saying stuff and i thought fo a second it was stew |
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| 01:12.33 | widrone | Nyle: Dont feed the unfunny troll, let him eat +bs. (plusgood bullshit that is) |
| 01:12.47 | Kesara | From where can i download sid netinst iso? |
| 01:12.52 | Nyle | you can't |
| 01:12.58 | Nyle | sid is never released |
| 01:13.17 | Supaplex | Kesara: why not use stable? |
| 01:13.24 | Nyle | but... you can download the daily build or testing netinst iso and give it kernel boot param priority=low and select that you ant to install sid instead of testing |
| 01:13.45 | Nyle | upon mirro selection etc. iirc |
| 01:13.51 | Kesara | So should I install testing and change repositories? |
| 01:13.57 | Nyle | just use stable |
| 01:14.10 | Nyle | or testing, just know that sid isn't supported here. and if you have to ask, then you probably shouldn't run sid |
| 01:14.13 | Supaplex | Kesara: depends on why you want testing or unstable. |
| 01:14.19 | Nyle | !tell Kesara -about sid faq |
| 01:15.08 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 01:15.08 | dpkg | [dnuts] Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
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| 01:18.23 | Kesara | k.. thx for the explanation |
| 01:18.45 | Nyle | testing is fairly new and not as unstable as stable |
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| 01:19.54 | Nyle | er.. /as stable/as unstable |
| 01:20.37 | Kesara | Nyle: Last time I install stable Debain (year ago), gnome version was like outdated.. :) |
| 01:20.44 | Nyle | Kesara: if you would like better advice, you could maybe answer Supaplex's sort-of-question |
| 01:21.02 | Nyle | Kesara: then you are in the wrong distro |
| 01:21.23 | Nyle | Kesara: use testing and it will have newer software and would be less stable than stable |
| 01:21.29 | Nyle | s/distro/release |
| 01:21.45 | Nyle | even etch right now has kinda outdated gnome |
| 01:21.54 | bagualas | how do I write the clock to the BIOS? |
| 01:22.08 | stew | bagualas: man hwclock |
| 01:22.17 | bagualas | hwclock? |
| 01:22.19 | bagualas | ok =) |
| 01:22.22 | Nyle | stew: hi there |
| 01:22.25 | stew | hi |
| 01:22.25 | bagualas | ths |
| 01:22.32 | Nyle | stew: whats the latest? |
| 01:22.58 | stew | Nyle: i'm ready for autumn |
| 01:23.02 | Nyle | anything new happening recently in the world of debian |
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| 01:23.14 | Nyle | ahh yes, seasons changing, I would see my first winter here |
| 01:24.33 | Nyle | but its still quite far. I find it to be chillly when its 60F, I like it around 70F. I hear it goes below zero here. That sounds scary |
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| 01:25.49 | Szeraax | question; does anyone know a bit about runlevels and maybe /etc/inittab ? |
| 01:26.05 | Nyle | Szeraax: ask the real question |
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| 01:26.24 | Szeraax | I have a computer where in /etc/inittab, the default runlevel is 0 |
| 01:26.42 | Szeraax | so it boots up till init. which goes into runlevel 0 and shuts down |
| 01:26.58 | Szeraax | is there a way to override the default runlevel? |
| 01:27.23 | Kevin` | Szeraax put the number in the kernel command line |
| 01:27.48 | Szeraax | so put something like runlevel=5 in the boot options? |
| 01:27.54 | Kevin` | no |
| 01:27.57 | Kevin` | just 5 |
| 01:28.14 | Szeraax | in grub? |
| 01:28.19 | Szeraax | or real command line? |
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| 01:28.47 | stew | Szeraax: in grub, hit 'e' to edit the command line, and put '2' at the end of the command line (the line that has, root=/dev/whatever) |
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| 01:29.25 | Szeraax | aye. wasnt sure, just wanted to be sure, since normally i do something=value or whatever with it... |
| 01:29.38 | Szeraax | thanks all |
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| 01:59.14 | dEdd | I switched from an old 300 dpi printer to a new one. I can't seem to tell latex (from texlive, on testing) to use 600 dpi --- I tried altering /etc/texmf/web2c/mktex.cnf and set BDPI to 600, and recreated the fmt files by reinstalling one of the texlive-base deb files, but no luck, What am I missing? Any TeXperts here? |
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| 02:02.42 | en1gma | sup all |
| 02:02.48 | Guerin | dEdd: why would you not ask in #latex? |
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| 02:03.45 | Guerin | or doing anything, really |
| 02:04.29 | en1gma | i have an abit nf7-s v2.0 mb that has onboard sound (not the usualy suspect) it actual is an "extra" chip called sound-storm and it does hardware processing....anyhow i dont think linux uses it...it just uses the seperate ac97 codec chip i believe....anyhow again i have 2 seperate creative cards...one is a sb audigy ls and other is a sb live 5.1 |
| 02:04.43 | en1gma | anyone have any suggestions as to which i should use |
| 02:05.03 | pipeline | en1gma: The SBL is probably the best quality output of the lot |
| 02:05.19 | pipeline | en1gma: unless the audigy is an emu10k1 unit |
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| 02:05.29 | jelly-home | Oh, if only you were of female persuasion! * Guerin spends a lot of time in latex |
| 02:05.43 | en1gma | is that because of linux...like would your decision be different in windows....one sec getting magnifying glass to look at the chip |
| 02:06.19 | predder` | what's the difference between /var/tmp and /tmp |
| 02:06.55 | en1gma | pipeline it just says creative on the chip...lemme google a min |
| 02:06.58 | Guerin | jelly-home: femality is not a persuasion |
| 02:07.07 | Guerin | predder`: one is in /var and one isn't |
| 02:07.10 | en1gma | just picked up the 2 cards from a friend for $20.00 |
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| 02:07.16 | en1gma | prob not worth it but wth |
| 02:07.26 | pipeline | en1gma: Yeah, well, it probably isn't. And if it were, it would be a wash with the SBL. |
| 02:07.28 | predder` | Guerin, and do you know when one should be used instead of the other |
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| 02:07.39 | pipeline | en1gma: SBL isn't the best audio output ever, but it's pretty nice :) |
| 02:07.52 | Guerin | predder`: if you don't have an especially good reason otherwise, use /tmp. Don't know much more than that :) |
| 02:07.59 | predder` | en1gma, ahh the good old soundstorm. I think you'll find that it's built into the southbridge rather than being a seperate chip |
| 02:08.23 | predder` | it's the MCP southbridge versus the MCP-T |
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| 02:08.40 | predder` | Guerin, thanks. I'm looking at this old box here that has /var/tmp as its own LVM, I'd never heard of the directory and it's hardly being used |
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| 02:08.51 | en1gma | predder` damn you know your shit |
| 02:09.02 | en1gma | but it is a hardware accel for sound right? |
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| 02:09.30 | predder` | I believe so, the thing got hot enough to be |
| 02:09.55 | asg | predder`: /var/tmp is not cleared on a reboot, /tmp is |
| 02:10.11 | predder` | I epoxied a heatsink onto my NF7-S southbridge |
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| 02:10.21 | predder` | asg, thanks |
| 02:10.26 | asg | you're welcome |
| 02:10.31 | en1gma | that little circle fan never worked from factory |
| 02:10.35 | en1gma | i always had to give it a push |
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| 02:10.58 | predder` | en1gma, on the southbridge? The NF7-S had the SB bare, the northbridge had that sorry excuse for a fan |
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| 02:11.06 | en1gma | and yea you can tell when it was being used. on mine when it got hot i would here a siren |
| 02:11.14 | en1gma | ohhh |
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| 02:11.19 | en1gma | yea that is north isnt it |
| 02:11.22 | predder` | the sound would start to mess up on the SB when it gets too hot |
| 02:11.26 | predder` | yeah, that's right |
| 02:11.50 | en1gma | pretty good board but missing some good stuff like boot usbstick |
| 02:12.07 | en1gma | and the sata dont work in linux for some reason (at least for me anyhow) |
| 02:12.46 | predder` | the sata controller on that was the sillicon image 3112, works fine even under 2.6.8 |
| 02:12.54 | predder` | probably not 2.4 though |
| 02:13.05 | en1gma | pipeline no emu10k1 on the audigy ls |
| 02:13.12 | en1gma | when i boot mine it hangs |
| 02:13.24 | widrone | Ooh, got a thinkpad 240 with almost the same "feature set", play music -> chip gets hot -> fan starts -> noise from fan garbles sound. |
| 02:13.43 | pipeline | widrone: lousy design. :\ |
| 02:14.26 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/710034 look at line 461 and down |
| 02:14.37 | en1gma | im running lenny |
| 02:14.42 | widrone | pipeline: No shit! But with the small size of the 240 everything is ontop of eachother anyways. It does irssi/screen nicely enough thu. |
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| 02:15.29 | en1gma | since the audigy ls dont have the emu10k1 i should go with the sb live 5.1?....my proc is amd 2600 |
| 02:16.24 | en1gma | predder` you still have the abit serillel 2 ide-sata connector? |
| 02:16.45 | predder` | I would have a couple floating around, why's that? |
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| 02:16.53 | predder` | I've got a gigabyte one in use at the moment |
| 02:16.59 | en1gma | thats what i got hooked up when i get those errors |
| 02:17.11 | predder` | I see, that might've confused something |
| 02:17.17 | en1gma | get those errors even when the adapter isnt plugged into a device |
| 02:17.29 | predder` | what errors |
| 02:17.40 | en1gma | well dmesg warning rather |
| 02:17.49 | en1gma | line 461 and down in that pastebin |
| 02:18.35 | en1gma | it restarts the sata connection alot then finally shuts it down |
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| 02:20.38 | en1gma | anyhow after working on that for like 3 days straight i finally pulled one of the 4 hard drives (ide`s) out and put the dvd-rom on it instead of trying to get it to work on sata |
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| 02:20.43 | en1gma | so that is history |
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| 02:37.13 | Testy101 | hi beebs |
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| 02:37.53 | Testy101 | I have problem starting x, says : Failed ro load NVIDIA kernel module |
| 02:40.07 | Sisk | Testy101: Did you use the NVidia installer or pull the driver from the repositories? And is it all in caps like that in your xorg.conf? |
| 02:40.32 | Testy101 | I used the manual way, not the debian way, the Installer |
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| 02:41.43 | Testy101 | I tried to modify words in xorg.conf by changing them from caps into all samall cept for the main layout |
| 02:41.49 | Testy101 | no go |
| 02:42.16 | Testy101 | also it says : Fatal Error no screens found |
| 02:42.25 | asg | !no screens |
| 02:42.42 | asg | meh |
| 02:42.46 | asg | !no screens found |
| 02:42.46 | dpkg | i guess screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X.org) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 02:43.11 | Sisk | Yeah, if the driver's not loading it would. Give me a second to see if I can remember where the nvidia installer leaves it's log. |
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| 02:43.48 | Testy101 | (EE) NVIDIA: More than one matching Device section found: device[1] FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 02:44.02 | jon__ | hi, are there other ways besides adding a & to put a process into the background ? |
| 02:44.17 | Sisk | check /var/log/nvidia-installer.log |
| 02:44.17 | Testy101 | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 02:44.21 | Testy101 | ok sec |
| 02:44.25 | jon__ | vlc is producing alot of messages, and i cant get it to run in the bg |
| 02:44.32 | lithophyte | how can I get console output if I'm running xdm |
| 02:44.52 | Sisk | If you just installed it, my guess would be that the module didn't compile right. |
| 02:45.12 | jon__ | lithophyte: strg+alt+try some f-keys |
| 02:45.28 | Testy101 | ok the log has alot of stuff, which part u need? |
| 02:45.43 | asg | jon__: nohup, the daemon package, and screen |
| 02:46.28 | Sisk | Just skip to the end and see if you see any errors. |
| 02:46.30 | jon__ | asg: i dont want to use anything like screen |
| 02:46.50 | jon__ | how do i apply nohup to the proc ? |
| 02:47.11 | lithophyte | jon__: doesn't work with xdm |
| 02:47.39 | Testy101 | no erros, all seems fine to me, done and updated |
| 02:47.55 | Testy101 | I think it's my xorg.conf =/ |
| 02:48.03 | jon__ | lithophyte: k sry ;) |
| 02:48.25 | Sisk | Could be....what's the graphics card section look like? |
| 02:49.58 | Testy101 | You mean Device section? if so, Section "Device" Identifier "device[0]" Driver "nvidia" and 3 Options |
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| 02:50.59 | Testy101 | i have 2 device sections, is that wrong? i'm connecting 2 monitors |
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| 02:51.47 | Testy101 | maybe that's why it reported (EE)NVIDIA: More than one matching Device section found: device[1] FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 02:51.49 | Sisk | Eh, there's lots of ways to do dual monitors. I haven't messed with it for a while though....are there two monitor sections? |
| 02:52.11 | Sisk | Wait, you've got the identifire the same on both of them? Yeah, change that. |
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| 02:52.36 | Testy101 | no no device[0] in first device identifier and device[1] in 2nd |
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| 02:53.31 | Sisk | Upload your xorg.conf to me and I'll take a look |
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| 02:55.48 | cylent88 | hi |
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| 02:56.13 | cylent88 | can someone tell me how to upgrade my debian 3.1 to 4.0? i tried apt-get dist-upgrade but it says nothing to upgrade |
| 02:56.34 | cylent88 | this is a server by the way so no x needed |
| 02:57.15 | Guerin | cylent88: /msg dpkg ig |
| 02:59.59 | cylent88 | i dont want the install guide |
| 03:00.26 | cylent88 | maybe a sources.list file for 4.0 |
| 03:00.32 | Sisk | cylent88: change your sources.list from sarge to stable |
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| 03:01.10 | Guerin | cylent88: you DO want the fucking install guide |
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| 03:01.24 | Guerin | cylent88: it tells you in very explicit terms how do do exactly what you seek |
| 03:01.27 | Guerin | now go and read it |
| 03:02.38 | stew | cylent88: you don't want the install guide you want the realse notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 03:16.07 | Testy101 | I get error parsing the config file after fixing the the device section |
| 03:17.37 | Sisk | DCC it to me and I'll take a look. |
| 03:17.53 | Testy101 | I pmed u the link |
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| 03:19.45 | Sisk | I didn't get the pm. |
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| 03:22.52 | Testy101 | I PM'ed u again, but strange u seems not getting my PMS :S |
| 03:22.57 | Testy101 | Try to PM me |
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| 03:25.36 | atoponce | Sisk: that's because you're not identified to nickserv |
| 03:26.00 | Sisk | Doh, right, that would be it... |
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| 03:29.10 | Testy101 | Only errors I get now are (EE) Problem parsing the config file (EE), Error parsing the config file, Fatal server error: no screens found, (WW) xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 03:29.17 | aly | wouw im own :P http://imaj.at/23694 |
| 03:29.24 | Testy101 | and (WW) xf86CloseConsole: VT_GETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
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| 03:29.58 | jetscreamer | xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor and (WW) xf86CloseConsole: VT_GETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 03:30.20 | jetscreamer | oops' |
| 03:32.11 | Sisk | Try fixing that typo in your second device section and adding 'Modes "1024x768"' or whatever resolution you want to use under your Depth line on both screens |
| 03:32.38 | Sisk | TrippleBuffer |
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| 03:37.43 | Testy101 | Ok, I fixed the errors but now it says (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. no screens found |
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| 03:40.05 | Testy101 | updated the xorg.conf I sent u |
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| 03:40.24 | Tged | Hi |
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| 03:41.56 | Sisk | Comment out Screen one and see if X will come up in single screen mode. |
| 03:42.07 | Sisk | screen[1] I mean |
| 03:42.07 | Testy101 | k |
| 03:42.57 | Tged | I'm not very experienced yet with Debian (or any unix-based OS), I apologise for that silly question I couldn't find an answer for on google : |
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| 03:44.04 | Tged | I tried to compile dosbox .72 (as the package provided is fairly old and make my favorite game crash), ./configure seems to go ok, but when I do "make", I get this error message : http://pastebin.ca/701968 |
| 03:44.21 | Tged | I suppose I miss a lib, but could not extract which one from this error |
| 03:45.09 | Sisk | tged: as root, apt-get install g++ |
| 03:45.23 | Testy101 | Says error parsing the config file, no screens found |
| 03:46.05 | Tged | I installed g++ using synaptic (can't use aptitude, didn't manage to configure it to use the univ network proxy), didn't solve anything |
| 03:46.30 | Tged | I'll try one more time |
| 03:46.57 | Tged | (Oops, seems like it's somehow not installed indeed) |
| 03:47.21 | Sisk | Oh...duh...I think I see your problem...Screen 0 and Screen 1 in the server layout....make those both just Screen |
| 03:47.45 | Sisk | I could be wrong about that...I haven't done a dual head in years. |
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| 03:49.22 | Penix | ffs I *hate* evolution. can't wait for a tinymail-based client or something |
| 03:49.38 | bullgard4 | I am looking for a definition for a subshell. "Definition: A subshell is a process launched by a shell (or shell script)." Is this the most precise definition of a 'subshell'? |
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| 03:50.52 | xjkxxx | i need a gtk application to convert a dvd to .avi |
| 03:51.49 | Testy101 | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
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| 03:52.53 | Azar | Testy101: you haven't got the driver |
| 03:52.55 | dalias | bullgard4, i would say a subshell is a shell whose parent process is also a shell |
| 03:52.56 | Sisk | modprobe nvidia as root |
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| 03:53.01 | dalias | that's nice and precise |
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| 03:53.29 | dalias | your definition seems wrong |
| 03:53.32 | Penix | wouldn't it usually just be considered a child process in a non-shell situation? |
| 03:53.38 | dalias | if i run "ls" in my shell, ls is not a subshell |
| 03:53.55 | Testy101 | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 03:53.57 | Testy101 | :S |
| 03:54.09 | Azar | ye you need the driver |
| 03:54.21 | Sisk | Right....so back to my original thought that I should have stuck with. It didn't compile right. |
| 03:54.45 | Azar | now you could try run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if you can select "nv" there |
| 03:55.02 | Sisk | Does nv support dual head? |
| 03:55.11 | Azar | heck don't know :) |
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| 03:55.22 | Testy101 | the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log reports no errors, strange i'm confused now |
| 03:55.27 | Sisk | Heh. Worth a try I guess, unless you're planning on gaming or somthing. |
| 03:55.32 | Azar | nvidia-installer is shit |
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| 03:55.43 | eshear | very quick question: Is it possible to increase the number of file descriptors available to a *running* process, or do I have to restart a process to increase that limit? |
| 03:55.47 | Sisk | I've never had trouble with it. |
| 03:55.55 | Azar | Testy101: now could you share with us what Debian version you got? |
| 03:56.17 | Testy101 | Etch 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 03:57.07 | Azar | Testy101: ok you might try remove that nvidia installer |
| 03:57.12 | Azar | !nvidia installer |
| 03:57.12 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. |
| 03:57.45 | philth | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 03:57.45 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 03:57.46 | Azar | then after you clean up run nvidia one-liner |
| 03:57.47 | Sisk | Hehe....yeah, Ok, that's a fair assessment of it. |
| 03:57.53 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:57.53 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 03:58.43 | zenel | hi |
| 03:58.44 | Testy101 | woah, plenty of help |
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| 03:58.53 | Testy101 | I will try that and hope it works |
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| 03:59.06 | Testy101 | thanks Sisk and Azar :D |
| 03:59.14 | Azar | thank dpkg |
| 03:59.14 | dpkg | pas de quoi, Azar |
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| 03:59.37 | Testy101 | lol thank you dpkg :P |
| 04:00.03 | Sisk | Heh |
| 04:00.35 | bullgard4 | dalias: Thank you. |
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| 04:01.49 | slump | hey, what package contains the man page of scanf() ? |
| 04:01.57 | slump | and glibc related. |
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| 04:02.29 | Penix | slump: probably glibc-doc |
| 04:02.35 | kire_ | Hello, when i test alsa or oss i get an error ( already used) , but my sound ,except jack, works perfectly. How could i make jack work? |
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| 04:03.01 | Tged | Compilation succeded, it all works, thank you Sisk and sorry for the silly question. |
| 04:03.18 | Penix | kire_: what? |
| 04:03.30 | Penix | kire_: which one works? normal audio or jack? |
| 04:03.53 | kire_ | jack doesnt |
| 04:04.02 | Penix | kire_: are you using the proper jack driver? ie. the alsa driver for jack |
| 04:04.27 | kire_ | i dont know |
| 04:04.45 | slump | Penix: manpages-dev :) |
| 04:04.49 | Daveman | Has anyone here used the zd1211 driver/firmware before? |
| 04:05.07 | Penix | slump: ah |
| 04:05.28 | kire_ | i invoke jack with jack -d alsa |
| 04:05.44 | Penix | kire_: then, yes, you're using the alsa driver |
| 04:06.40 | Penix | kire_: so, what's the actual problem with jack? won't start? no audio output? |
| 04:07.26 | kire_ | well using qjackctl i get an error when i push that start button. |
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| 04:07.36 | Penix | kire_: what error? |
| 04:07.58 | kire_ | the client couldn't connect to the jack-server |
| 04:08.02 | sparr | i thought the debian bug reporting system was archaic... just learned that the linux kernel guys use a mailing list! wtf |
| 04:08.25 | Penix | kire_: jackd isn't running then |
| 04:08.45 | kire_ | yes, thats my problem |
| 04:08.46 | Penix | kire_: or you're running an app that's blocking access |
| 04:09.00 | kire_ | i dont think so... |
| 04:10.02 | Penix | kire_: qjackctl is meant to start jackd for you, so if it can't, then something is probably stopping it from starting jack |
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| 04:11.03 | kire_ | how could i find out wich applications are running with hw0 and hopw do i stop them? |
| 04:11.29 | Penix | kire_: do you have more than one hardware device? ie. hw1 or 0:1 or something? |
| 04:11.38 | kire_ | no |
| 04:11.57 | Penix | kire_: try something like 'lsof |grep snd' |
| 04:12.23 | kire_ | yeah, there are som modules(?) |
| 04:13.07 | Penix | kire_: is jackd or qjackctl mentioned in that output? |
| 04:13.49 | kire_ | no, 'esd' twice and 'once mixer_app' |
| 04:13.54 | Penix | there you go |
| 04:14.05 | Penix | esd is most likely using your hardware already |
| 04:14.13 | Penix | you're trying to run *another* sound server at the same time |
| 04:14.41 | kire_ | how could i stop esd? do i need it at all? |
| 04:14.58 | Penix | kire_: killall esd for now, then see if jack works |
| 04:15.40 | Penix | kire_: depends I guess. afaik its just for software mixing and all that jazz |
| 04:15.51 | Penix | which you can pull off with alsa dmix |
| 04:15.53 | kire_ | now i get another error |
| 04:16.18 | Penix | what's the error? |
| 04:16.21 | kire_ | ALSA cannot configure capture channel |
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| 04:17.22 | kire_ | and ALSA: mmap-based access is not possble for the capture stream of the ausio interface |
| 04:17.36 | kire_ | *audio |
| 04:18.13 | kire_ | cannot load driver module alsa |
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| 04:19.55 | kire_ | i just want to freeze some guitar-sessions with ardour... :(( |
| 04:20.09 | fwtest | hello, does anyone know any site which shows the statistic of used browser on the internet? |
| 04:20.35 | predder` | Can anyone suggest why, when I try to do an lvremove -f on a logical volume I get: Can't remove open logical volume "var-tmp" |
| 04:20.55 | predder` | the lv is unmounted and using lvdisplay with the same path shows the lvm |
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| 04:21.26 | predder` | so a) i've got the path right and b) it's not being used by anything? I've checked the man page and googled for a while, I'm really not sure what's going on |
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| 04:27.06 | Penix | predder`: deactivated the lv? |
| 04:27.21 | predder` | no? how does one do that |
| 04:28.12 | predder` | nm, found the man for it |
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| 04:30.32 | predder` | bah, I get: LV LVG/var-tmp in use: not removing |
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| 04:39.14 | signuts | For the love of god |
| 04:39.23 | signuts | someone please help me get lame/lame.h installed |
| 04:39.42 | signuts | I can't seem to find it anymore |
| 04:39.51 | signuts | its like that tree fell in the woods |
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| 04:42.01 | signuts | *sigh* |
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| 04:42.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | signuts: http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:43.18 | signuts | its not in etch anymore? |
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| 04:44.25 | signuts | well Dark_Apostrophe i'll give it a shot since my glass is half full and not quite frozen |
| 04:44.38 | signuts | cfheers |
| 04:44.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Good luck |
| 04:45.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | And I think it's in Debian Multimedia |
| 04:47.24 | craigevil | yes lame is in debian-multimedia |
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| 04:54.54 | signuts | *fuppes (spelt correctly) |
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| 04:58.24 | peterS | signuts: your nick reminds me of the failed effort to rename linux to 'lignux' |
| 04:58.32 | peterS | eh, so he quits on me |
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| 05:03.30 | popt | hello |
| 05:03.46 | Penix | you mean GNU/Lignux ;) |
| 05:03.50 | Penix | rms would love that one |
| 05:04.05 | Guerin | nope |
| 05:04.18 | Penix | extra credit |
| 05:04.20 | Guerin | he's scrupulously fair - wouldn't want to take TOO much redit ;) |
| 05:04.25 | Penix | hehe |
| 05:04.25 | Guerin | or credit, either |
| 05:04.32 | popt | is there a command that I can see which pkg I have installed and short discriptions for each of them? |
| 05:04.47 | Guerin | popt: they call it dpkg -l |
| 05:05.03 | Guerin | popt: add |grep ^ii |
| 05:05.26 | popt | oh thanks |
| 05:05.39 | popt | I only use dpkg -L |
| 05:05.43 | popt | before |
| 05:06.19 | peterS | you know that ^ii looks a bit like the product name of a popular game console from Nintendo |
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| 05:06.57 | Obligatory | Anybody awake? |
| 05:07.01 | Guerin | Obligatory: no. |
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| 05:07.48 | Obligatory | Cool. How do I find out what ports my daemons are using -- I recall a master list in '/etc' or something, but can't recall the name. |
| 05:07.59 | peterS | Obligatory: services |
| 05:08.13 | Guerin | the master list is what ports they *usually* use, not what ports they *are* using in a specific case. |
| 05:08.24 | peterS | Obligatory: as in, /etc/services, _or_ 'getent services 25' to see, for example, that SMTP is on port 25 |
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| 05:10.07 | Obligatory | peterS, guerin, thanks! Gotta run... |
| 05:10.23 | Penix | omg. a 600mb upgrade in ~one hour instead of ~four days. I still can't get over this 'breadband' stuff |
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| 05:10.39 | popt | can I know which service name running on certain port? |
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| 05:10.59 | popt | I just seen some <unknow service> running on a port |
| 05:11.10 | gustavo | is there someone that has an account on demonoid, and wants to give me a invitation? XD |
| 05:11.17 | popt | I want to know what the service is? |
| 05:11.23 | Penix | gustavo: lmaof kthx bai! |
| 05:11.25 | Guerin | gustavo: no. Ask in #riaa |
| 05:11.38 | gustavo | wtf is riaa? :P |
| 05:11.47 | Penix | gustavo: your worst enemy it seems |
| 05:11.50 | Guerin | gustavo: the people who run all the file sharing |
| 05:12.10 | gustavo | well, i guess u are joking, but i will try, lol |
| 05:12.14 | Guerin | good luck |
| 05:12.20 | peterS | popt: you can look it up in /etc/services, but pwnbots tend to use nonstandard port numbers, so that doesn't always help |
| 05:12.25 | gustavo | as i thought :D |
| 05:13.32 | popt | thank you, peterS |
| 05:14.07 | Penix | gustavo: I can offer you 99 free gmail invites |
| 05:14.15 | Penix | store your warez |
| 05:14.28 | Daveman | uggh, stupid driver |
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| 05:15.28 | peterS | Daveman: driving on the left side? |
| 05:15.38 | gustavo | Penix: this i dont need :( |
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| 05:17.25 | Daveman | peters, haha, no :P |
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| 05:17.33 | Daveman | that'd be funny though |
| 05:18.51 | Penix | hmm. I have atleast four operational systems in use among all the other junk, yet I only own one operational mouse |
| 05:18.56 | Penix | and it's been this way for quite some time... |
| 05:19.06 | popt | dpkg-www is cool |
| 05:19.34 | popt | but even root don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/dpkg on local server |
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| 05:19.47 | Daveman | heh |
| 05:20.01 | popt | who use it? |
| 05:20.39 | Azar | good evening honorables! |
| 05:20.52 | Sebboh | Is there a web proxy or cache that is specifically designed to harvest files as you surf the net, and make them available to you later? |
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| 05:25.06 | popt | is it possible to close the afpovertcp |
| 05:25.09 | popt | port |
| 05:25.23 | popt | unsure which .sh start this service |
| 05:25.45 | Sebboh | use netstat -p to see the pid. |
| 05:25.48 | Azar | out of The 7 Most Influential GNU/Linux Distributions , Debian is listed in the first place! |
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| 05:25.59 | Sebboh | then use ps to see the name of the executable for that pid. |
| 05:26.09 | peterS | popt: afp is Appletalk, which is to say, the 'netatalk' package. I think. if you don't have Mac OS 9 machines on your network, you can probably remove that package entirely. |
| 05:26.46 | popt | I do have mac pc within network |
| 05:26.57 | popt | but I only use it occasionally |
| 05:26.57 | Azar | the guy who asked dondelecaro about specs last night did an article on it |
| 05:27.01 | linuxfce | why do windows drag choppier after they haven't been moved in a while |
| 05:27.37 | linuxfce | its really annoying me |
| 05:27.50 | popt | there should be some .sh under /etc/ to prevent netalk service from starting on boot? |
| 05:27.50 | Sebboh | linuxfce: one can imagine that they are swapped out. Or, you imagine it. :) xfce.. hmm, you're on low end hardware, eh? ;) |
| 05:28.16 | peterS | linuxfce: probably memory - as active things use memory, your inactive processes have to give up some of their memory to swap space. when you return to them, they have to pull stuff back in before they can react to having to redraw themselves as you move them around or resize them |
| 05:28.28 | linuxfce | not really |
| 05:28.32 | linuxfce | my stuff is new |
| 05:28.46 | Azar | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3701421 hehe nice comments |
| 05:28.51 | peterS | popt: some /etc/rc2.d/S*netatalk |
| 05:28.55 | linuxfce | good answer peterS, is there a way i keep it from giving up memory? |
| 05:29.14 | popt | oh, look for it:) |
| 05:29.28 | linuxfce | i have.. its a hard query to search for |
| 05:29.50 | peterS | linuxfce: not really. you could _in theory_ lock certain processes into physical memory so they couldn't swap out at all, but short of that, I don't think you can. it might help to run at a higher-than-normal process priority - but I'm not sure if that affects the virtual memory system or not |
| 05:30.04 | Azar | "What is true is that much of Debian's business is conducted publicly via mailing lists and votes, and with a minimum of politeness." :) |
| 05:30.43 | linuxfce | lock processes into memory, that sounds promising |
| 05:30.46 | popt | no S*netatalk here:/etc/init.d |
| 05:30.54 | popt | it 's in rc2.d? |
| 05:31.04 | peterS | Azar: I'd disagree. the impolite stuff that happens on mailing lists is mostly not really "Debian's business", but just noise. it's high-profile, perhaps, but most of it isn't terribly significant |
| 05:31.21 | Sebboh | popt: man init.d |
| 05:31.33 | Sebboh | S and K files don't live in /etc/init.d |
| 05:31.36 | Sebboh | not on debian |
| 05:31.40 | peterS | popt: check /etc/rcS.d as well then. the 'netatalk' script itself is in /etc/init.d/ but what causes it to start on boot is the link in /etc/rc2.d or /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 05:31.40 | linuxfce | how do i set priority, i want compiz fusion to be realtime |
| 05:31.46 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.47 | popt | No manual entry for init.d |
| 05:31.52 | Azar | peterS: is just a distorted view of fencers... in fact I would ask which dev community does not have its disagreements and discussions at times? NONE |
| 05:32.27 | Azar | peterS: by the way the recent vote on "vote early" has took place? |
| 05:32.29 | popt | hm.. |
| 05:32.30 | Penix | linuxfce: are you sure about that? |
| 05:32.31 | Sebboh | less /etc/init.d/README ? Something like that. Debian's init scheme is documented in a few places. |
| 05:32.38 | linuxfce | absolutely sure |
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| 05:32.51 | peterS | Azar: the vote has started but has not finished. it lasts for 2 weeks, I believe, starting a few days ago |
| 05:32.53 | Penix | linuxfce: ok. good luck with that |
| 05:33.09 | linuxfce | it probably wont make a difference |
| 05:33.16 | Azar | peterS: ah I thought this proposition will speed up the vote on "vote" |
| 05:33.22 | linuxfce | do you know how to set priority to it? |
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| 05:33.42 | Penix | linuxfce: man chrt |
| 05:33.47 | popt | but this is not a link: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2506 2006-01-14 16:27 netatalk |
| 05:33.53 | popt | in init.d |
| 05:33.58 | linuxfce | awesome thanks! |
| 05:34.08 | Penix | heh |
| 05:34.13 | Sebboh | popt: links live in /etc/rcS.d snd such. |
| 05:34.40 | peterS | Azar: the proposition only applies to the annual Debian Project Leader vote. and even if it applied to other votes, obviously it can't take effect until (and unless) it passes |
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| 05:35.58 | popt | oh, got:The scripts are all symbolic links whose targets are located in |
| 05:35.59 | popt | /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:37.33 | Sebboh | yes. :) You can also control which processes spawn at which runlevels... |
| 05:37.42 | linuxfce | hmm im looking for a command that'll start an app at highest priority |
| 05:37.55 | linuxfce | like realtimecommand appname |
| 05:38.02 | Azar | peterS: I wonder if this proposition will leave candidates enough time to prepare their presentation, or "vote faster" will only apply "after" the candidates had their say |
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| 05:38.06 | Sebboh | linuxfce: nice ? That chrt thing, dunno what that does, but it looks neat. |
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| 05:38.33 | peterS | Azar: no need to wonder, read the actual text being voted on: http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_004 |
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| 05:39.42 | Sebboh | I am looking for an application that will save all the content I pull off the web while I'm using my webbrowser. So, I surf, surf, and then I look in some directory and see all the files. A web cache. Preferably software designed for this purpose. |
| 05:39.57 | popt | I checked /etc/rcS.d/ yes, there is no 'netatalk' script |
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| 05:40.18 | linuxfce | sebboh couldnt you just set ff to not delete any cache? |
| 05:40.24 | popt | but in rc2.d/ S20netatalk |
| 05:40.29 | Sebboh | popt find /etc |grep -i netatalk |
| 05:40.30 | Penix | linuxfce: run the app, chrt -p <priority> <pid> |
| 05:40.33 | popt | should I rename it? |
| 05:40.39 | Penix | linuxfce: not that you actually want to do that to compiz |
| 05:40.43 | popt | to disable this service on boot |
| 05:40.48 | Daveman | haha, good old stupid wireless drivers... and random chipsets |
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| 05:41.01 | Penix | linuxfce: and I doubt you've got decent rt support anyway |
| 05:41.09 | linuxfce | what is rt support |
| 05:41.14 | Penix | realtime |
| 05:41.23 | linuxfce | why wouldnt i have support for it |
| 05:41.29 | Sebboh | linuxfce: no.. The firefox cache is not built for that purpose, so it is missing features that might exist in another application. I want a sort of web scraper. |
| 05:42.01 | Penix | linuxfce: because you haven't got a kernel with something like ingo's rt patches? I'm assuming anyway |
| 05:42.05 | Sebboh | linuxfce: I recommend trying it to find out. Penix seems to be suggesting that it will cause problems.. So, save your work first. ;) |
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| 05:42.33 | Azar | thanks peterS that sounds reasonable.. :) |
| 05:42.42 | Penix | linuxfce: if you're having performance problems with compiz, setting it to rt priority is probably gonna cause even more problems |
| 05:42.50 | Sebboh | Penix: do you think that simple priority, such as can be set with nice and renice, might be what linuxfce is looking for? |
| 05:42.52 | linuxfce | its 2.6.22 |
| 05:42.59 | Penix | Sebboh: possibly |
| 05:43.40 | Penix | linuxfce: anyway, the point is, *why* do you think rt is going to help? what's going on? |
| 05:43.40 | popt | find /etc |grep -i netatalk: http://pastebin.com/d4594901a |
| 05:44.19 | linuxfce | hmm, nice seems to be easy, just put nice -20 appname |
| 05:44.19 | popt | so many scripts |
| 05:44.22 | Supaplex | when using reverse-search-history in bash, is previous-history suppose to cycle one previous match in my history? I'd like to cycle back and forth between matches. ^p/^n only seem to apply when the command line is blank. |
| 05:44.27 | popt | which one should I disable? |
| 05:45.50 | popt | S20netatalk or K20netatalk, what's the different? |
| 05:45.59 | Sebboh | popt, for i in `find /etc|grep -i netatalk`; do ls -al $i; done .. Ok, see which ones are links to other ones? |
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| 05:46.45 | Sebboh | popt, this is all in the man page. I am almost CERTAIN that there is a readme .. find /etc |grep -i init.*readme |
| 05:47.03 | Sebboh | if not man init or man init.d or man /etc/init.d or something. |
| 05:47.38 | popt | ok, reading then |
| 05:48.02 | popt | here: /etc/init.d/README |
| 05:48.11 | linuxfce | im trying to use nice -20 in rc.local, it highlights nice as syntax, is that going to be a problem? |
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| 05:49.16 | Sebboh | btw the S is for start and the K is for kill, BUT, you also need to know what the runlevels are and which S and K scripts (links) are executed at what times, so.. yes, documentation is required before messing with those files. :) |
| 05:49.39 | peterS | I wouldn't use nice -20, maybe nice -n-20 is what you mean? nice -20 means run something at the lowest possible priority, not the highest |
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| 05:50.22 | Penix | meh. let them make things worse. already half way there |
| 05:50.40 | Sebboh | linuxfce: your text editor has little to do with what actually happens when a shell script is executed. If you want, you can take paths out of the picture by specifying the full path of the nice binary. |
| 05:50.58 | linuxfce | lol peters, im so glad you told me that |
| 05:50.59 | Sebboh | which can easily be determined by which nice |
| 05:51.05 | popt | as you see: http://pastebin.com/d486bddb4 |
| 05:51.11 | Sebboh | I see nothign |
| 05:51.24 | popt | all netatalk script point to /init.d/n etatalk |
| 05:52.02 | Kevin` | what reason do you have for running a program at a higher priority? -20 is HIGHEST, 19 is LOWEST |
| 05:52.04 | linuxfce | sebboh thank you |
| 05:52.13 | peterS | popt: yes, they do. if you don't want it to start, make sure the appropriate S symlink does not exist. |
| 05:52.27 | Sebboh | ok. Well, there might be one S file that you can rename to a K file to prevent any of them from running. But I don't know. |
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| 05:52.46 | Sebboh | Rather than eliminating all of them.. isn't one of them master? |
| 05:52.49 | popt | to make sure the appropriate S symlink does not exist = just rename it? |
| 05:52.54 | popt | or -x it? |
| 05:53.04 | popt | or must delete it> |
| 05:53.05 | popt | ? |
| 05:53.20 | Sebboh | popt: the rename would have to be to something other than S. Like K. |
| 05:53.37 | popt | all right |
| 05:53.38 | Sebboh | I always have trouble remembering which ones to put back when I decide to reenable a service. :/ |
| 05:53.43 | popt | give a try |
| 05:53.47 | popt | thanks all:) |
| 05:54.23 | popt | still confused this S20 K20 scripts name, |
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| 05:54.43 | popt | S and K, what's the different |
| 05:55.08 | peterS | popt: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 05:55.13 | popt | only rename S -> K , this can do the trick |
| 05:56.15 | Azar | when I said that my experience with Debian improved my work skills by 50% I knew what I was blabbing about... it forces logic in the brains man... |
| 05:57.37 | Sebboh | Azar, that effect has been observered with many different tasks, not just systems administration. ..The common element, though, is that it has to be a challenging task. Doing something that is hard that you already know how to do doesn't do the trick. |
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| 05:58.05 | popt | * popt nods |
| 05:58.09 | Sebboh | "If you're not growing, you're dying." |
| 05:58.17 | Sebboh | popt: try /me nods |
| 05:58.20 | aspWork | ever since i downgraded from sid to etch yesterday evolution fails to load, i have removed it, purged all cfg and reinstalled, and still it crashes on startup. Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 05:58.22 | popt | nomasteryoda, nother about S and K diff there |
| 05:58.30 | popt | nomasteryoda, nothing about S and K diff there |
| 05:58.36 | popt | nomasteryoda, nothing about S and K diff there |
| 05:58.40 | popt | sorry |
| 05:58.50 | popt | what's nomasteryoda? |
| 05:58.57 | popt | I didn't type this word: nomasteryoda |
| 05:59.06 | Azar | Sebboh: right, when I ment "forces logic in the brains" refers to all type of tasks... it gives you the vision and the certitude to replace the "impossible, can't be done" with "let's see what we can do about" |
| 05:59.36 | Sebboh | nomasteryoda is a user in this channel. Your IRC client has auto-typed his name for you to save time. ..The IRC client thought that you wanted to talk to nomasteryoda. |
| 05:59.47 | popt | oh:) |
| 05:59.49 | Sebboh | This autocompletion feature is generally activated by the tab key. |
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| 06:00.24 | Azar | you only have to tipe one or two extra letters to complete the "right" name |
| 06:00.28 | Sebboh | Welcome to IRC. Please enjoy your stay, and don't feed the trolls. |
| 06:00.56 | Sebboh | azar, depends on the client. My autocomplete doesn't ever do anything until I hit tab. |
| 06:00.58 | Sebboh | ksirc. |
| 06:01.28 | Kevin` | mine does it if I put a , or :, or some other odd forms of address, I usually turn that off |
| 06:01.29 | Azar | Sebboh: mine shows the nick before I press that enter button |
| 06:02.26 | Sebboh | huh, graphically? In the textbox? |
| 06:02.42 | Sebboh | What'll computers do next? :) |
| 06:03.10 | Kevin` | perl irc client? interesting |
| 06:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh: reproduce :) |
| 06:04.56 | popt | any perl irc client there? |
| 06:05.02 | Azar | I once got a perl irc client gift from a friend online... and I was pretty pleased with |
| 06:05.06 | simonrvn | popt: using xchat? you can turn that autocomplete off, and just trigger the completion with <tab>, like Sebboh said |
| 06:05.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and nomasteryoda will be glad about all the attention he has accumulated in this channel *g* |
| 06:05.55 | popt | you guys are so nice |
| 06:06.13 | popt | yes, I'm using xchat |
| 06:06.17 | Sebboh | I'm not using a perl irc client that I know of. It's called ksirc, it came with debian, and it's not very good. |
| 06:06.41 | Azar | I am using irssi |
| 06:06.49 | simonrvn | i got tired of ksirc rather quickly. was when irssi was behaving badly |
| 06:06.53 | Sebboh | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah no kidding hope the speakers were turned off if he is on the dark side of the planet right now. |
| 06:07.15 | Penix | I wonder if anyone still uses bitchx |
| 06:07.21 | Sebboh | certainly. |
| 06:07.27 | popt | yes, I just turn off completion with <tab> |
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| 06:07.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | popt: "apt-cache search perl irc" ---> sirc - The full-featured Perl IRC client |
| 06:07.56 | popt | will install it, give a try |
| 06:07.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh: want to say it some more times agai? :) (yehova, yehova) |
| 06:07.58 | Sebboh | ahh, so, I am using a perl irc client. OK. |
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| 06:08.16 | Sebboh | <k>sirc. |
| 06:08.41 | peterS | yeah Penix, we don't see as many stupid quit messages as we saw a few years ago, but they're still around |
| 06:08.49 | stew | Sebboh: you are using an irc client written in cpp that can be scripted in perl |
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| 06:08.55 | popt | I know many guru likes use irssi + sreen |
| 06:08.59 | popt | I know many guru likes use irssi + screen |
| 06:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sebboh: apt-database doesnt mention it's based on sirc... could be a naming concidence? |
| 06:09.29 | Sebboh | stew, Ok. The version string is misleading. |
| 06:09.35 | Sebboh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:10.08 | popt | CutMeOwnThroat, found it: sirc - The full-featured Perl IRC client |
| 06:10.28 | troubled | peterS: "my Master Boot Record thinks that its slaves are going to rebel and kill the boot record." |
| 06:10.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | i've never tried that, though... |
| 06:11.17 | Azar | hehe that would be a nice bootloader name |
| 06:11.19 | Penix | heh. I'm actually using a simple script cafeugo wrote years back that blocks bitchx quit messages. didn't even realize I still had it in use |
| 06:11.20 | stew | i was going to be tickled a bit if bitchx didn't make the last release which it almost didn't |
| 06:12.16 | aspWork | hi guys, ever since i downgraded from sid to etch yesterday evolution fails to load, i have removed it, purged all cfg and reinstalled, and still it crashes on startup. Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 06:12.17 | Penix | cafuego rather |
| 06:12.19 | troubled | peterS: ooh, heres a good quit msg: "If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping in a room with a mosquito." -- African Proverb" |
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| 06:12.51 | peterS | ha, you said 'cafeugo' and I read it as 'cafuego', didn't even notice |
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| 06:12.58 | Penix | troubled: I like that. I'll have to write it down |
| 06:13.07 | Penix | peterS: same |
| 06:13.29 | Penix | wasn't sure which one was correct for a sec |
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| 06:13.43 | peterS | I knew you were referring to the guy who occasionally called himself Cthulfuego |
| 06:13.44 | troubled | Penix: "In a world without wall or fences, we don't need windows nor gates." :) |
| 06:13.58 | popt | Sebboh, "If youre not growing, you're dying" |
| 06:14.02 | popt | The K links are responsible for killing services and the S link for starting services upon entering the runlevel. |
| 06:14.13 | popt | look, I am growing |
| 06:14.34 | popt | :) |
| 06:14.39 | simonrvn | peterS: groan |
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| 06:15.23 | popt | groan == moan ? |
| 06:15.34 | peterS | imagination is more important than ... no, sorry, that is just a little _too_ cliche, even for this conversation |
| 06:16.30 | Penix | pass the water pipe, man! |
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| 06:16.49 | troubled | *snicker* "In Soviet Russia, the quit messages you!" |
| 06:17.11 | peterS | ceci _est_ une pipe |
| 06:18.02 | peterS | troubled: I'll still never forget what CowboyNeal said once in #debian: "In Soviet Russia, you get high on today's Tom Sawyer" |
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| 06:18.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:18.36 | troubled | peterS: he was actually in here from an authentic ip? |
| 06:18.42 | Penix | I forgot about him lurking ages ago |
| 06:18.53 | Guerin | what constitutes an `authentic ip'? |
| 06:19.00 | peterS | troubled: it was a real IPv4 address, yes. I had no way to prove it was the guy from slashdot. but his real name did say 'Pater' something |
| 06:19.06 | Penix | troubled: it always seemed like it was legit |
| 06:19.14 | stew | Guerin: not connecting via ipx? |
| 06:19.15 | troubled | well, i suppose you can never verify such a thing :) could have been staff horse playing even |
| 06:19.27 | peterS | Guerin: maybe as opposed to a 192.168.x.y address? |
| 06:19.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:19.50 | stew | peterS: well during dc7, people were showing up on oftc with 10.x.x.x addresses |
| 06:19.59 | peterS | heh, true, I do remember that |
| 06:20.13 | troubled | stew: more staff horse play? |
| 06:20.17 | Guerin | troubled: it could have been peterS! |
| 06:20.31 | troubled | Guerin: zomg! ;) |
| 06:20.36 | stew | troubled: no, they were just very close to an irc server |
| 06:20.58 | troubled | stew: must have linked one up for em i guess |
| 06:21.03 | peterS | right, as some Debian developers are also OFTC staff, this is actually possible to arrange. |
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| 06:24.47 | jackle | Good day everyone. |
| 06:25.05 | troubled | hello |
| 06:25.20 | EznorbYar | hi channel |
| 06:25.31 | troubled | ls EznorbYar* |
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| 06:25.44 | troubled | stew: be on guard :) |
| 06:26.08 | troubled | 2 hi's in a row + chatzilla + no rev dns is always a bad thing :) |
| 06:26.22 | EznorbYar | whaaat? |
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| 06:26.40 | Obligatory | I've just set up mbmon, an have it displaying CPU temps in gkrellm. TEMP1=393.8F on an Athlon XP 2300+. 383F is impossible right? |
| 06:26.43 | NiCeBoY | hello anyone can tell me how can i check my kernel version and whether it's a !686 or ix86 please? |
| 06:27.04 | Penix | NiCeBoY: eh? |
| 06:27.05 | streuner | NiCeBoY: cat /proc/version |
| 06:27.06 | Obligatory | NiCeBoy: type "cat /proc/version" |
| 06:27.07 | jackle | NiCeBoY : uname -a |
| 06:27.16 | Penix | oh. confusion |
| 06:27.26 | NiCeBoY | ok thanks ;) |
| 06:27.27 | jackle | A debian firewall box has been assigned to me and has 10 NIC ports. If I plug a pre-configured ADSL modem into a eth port, I can ping the modem, but ifconfig shows no additional interfaces. Am I missing something? |
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| 06:27.28 | troubled | EznorbYar: aka wenko_, aka Spr, aka Spr1te? |
| 06:27.29 | EznorbYar | troubled: why are you trying to list my contents? |
| 06:27.46 | EznorbYar | i am not a directory! :'( |
| 06:27.59 | troubled | EznorbYar: sorry, i meant /ls EznorbYar* (shows me your n!u@h mask) |
| 06:28.00 | Penix | jackle: what are you expecting? something like ppp0? |
| 06:28.45 | jackle | Penix : no. The modem establishes the connection not the pc so an additional eth interface with an ip should be listed |
| 06:28.46 | EznorbYar | lol my what mask? |
| 06:28.56 | troubled | EznorbYar: dont worry about it |
| 06:29.16 | EznorbYar | does anyone know how *.pl files work? |
| 06:29.18 | troubled | you werent meant to see it cept I typo'd. nothing to see here ;) |
| 06:29.27 | Penix | EznorbYar: man perl |
| 06:29.42 | jackle | EznorbYar : Its perl stuff |
| 06:29.46 | Obligatory | CPU temperature question, anybody? |
| 06:29.48 | Penix | jackle: if the modem establishes the connection, then you shouldn't be getting any sort of new interface |
| 06:29.55 | EznorbYar | ahhh, a man listening, thanks Penix |
| 06:30.28 | Penix | jackle: if it's in bridged mode or something and you're using a pppoe/pppoa setup, then you'd get something in that case |
| 06:30.35 | Penix | bear in mind, I *am* a BSD whore |
| 06:30.41 | dalias | :) |
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| 06:30.46 | troubled | blasphemy! |
| 06:30.48 | streuner | Obligatory: look into the manual |
| 06:31.00 | Penix | troubled: what about Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? ;) |
| 06:31.05 | streuner | Obligatory: but this temp. should be impossible |
| 06:31.15 | troubled | Penix: hmmm, could be the future :) |
| 06:31.24 | troubled | Penix: i just thought you were here for the gamp |
| 06:31.33 | jackle | Penix : The server needs to use an interface to communicate with the modem.. so there should be something like eth6 with IP something in order for me to be able to ping the modem? |
| 06:31.36 | Penix | troubled: you know me too well |
| 06:31.41 | troubled | ;) |
| 06:31.41 | Obligatory | streuner: ah, good, might be a a gkrellm bug. |
| 06:31.51 | Penix | jackle: I thought you said you could already ping the modem? |
| 06:32.01 | streuner | Obligatory: but in mbmon too? |
| 06:32.10 | jackle | Penix: Yes I can but there is no extra eth.. |
| 06:32.13 | Penix | jackle: then you've got a configured interface with an IP that's contacting the modem |
| 06:32.22 | jackle | ok |
| 06:32.37 | jackle | will quickly go and trace the stuff |
| 06:32.37 | EznorbYar | ok, so if i have a program written in perl, what do i do with it? |
| 06:32.37 | jackle | tx |
| 06:32.38 | streuner | Obligatory: gkrellm has nothing to do with the temp., it gets the infos from lm-sensors |
| 06:32.43 | Penix | jackle: whichever card the modem's plugged in to is that "extra" interface you're looking for |
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| 06:32.49 | EznorbYar | other than open it in Text Editor lol |
| 06:32.59 | troubled | EznorbYar: ./program.pl |
| 06:33.13 | Penix | if it's executable |
| 06:33.18 | jackle | Penix : If I unplug the modem.. I have 5 eth's.. If I plug it in.. I still only have 5 :/ |
| 06:33.23 | Obligatory | streuner: mbmon says "Temp.= 50.0, 201.0, 43.0;" -- (gkrellm might have an error in fahrenheit conversion, first guess anyway) |
| 06:33.30 | Penix | jackle: you got that right |
| 06:33.34 | troubled | Penix: sssssh, thats a seperate question. I get paid commision here ya know! |
| 06:33.39 | Penix | heh |
| 06:33.59 | jackle | thanks Penix . I'll quickly go have a look |
| 06:34.12 | stew | jackle: one wouldn't expect a new device to show up just becuase you plugged a cable in. can you show us the output of "ip a" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 06:34.47 | Penix | seems like he's just expecting some sort of tunnel device to show up like when you use a ppp daemon |
| 06:34.55 | helpshorewall | try mii-tools ... then you will se all your pluged interface |
| 06:35.09 | EznorbYar | troubled: elaborate please |
| 06:35.39 | troubled | EznorbYar: run it like any other program |
| 06:35.50 | Obligatory | streuner: 'sensors' gives MB=43C, CPU=50C, & TEMP3=-55C. Negative 55? |
| 06:36.00 | streuner | Obligatory: /usr/bin/sensors |
| 06:36.20 | EznorbYar | troubled: if i knew how to run programs in linux, i guess that would help >.> |
| 06:36.46 | streuner | M/B Temp: +47°C (low = +127°C, high = +75°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 06:36.46 | streuner | CPU Temp: +55°C (low = +127°C, high = +75°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 06:37.00 | streuner | Temp3: +46°C (low = +127°C, high = +75°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 06:37.14 | streuner | Obligatory: what version do you have installed? |
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| 06:38.22 | troubled | EznorbYar: perhaps you should go search google for a good howto on debian or linux in general before you start playing with perl scripts |
| 06:38.32 | Obligatory | streuner, lm-sensors v1:2.10.4-3 |
| 06:39.16 | streuner | oh :-), unstable has a new version :-) |
| 06:39.58 | streuner | file a bugreport then, if needed... |
| 06:40.23 | Obligatory | streuner, thanks, I'll look up the BTS and see what's out there. |
| 06:42.00 | EznorbYar | troubled: every time i run it, it just opens it in Text Editor |
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| 06:44.25 | troubled | EznorbYar: you need to use a xterm or any of the various shells in X windows, change to the directory you saved it in and then run it. again, you need many hours of training before you will reach that point. I suggest google for some linux howto's. |
| 06:44.58 | EznorbYar | troubled: ah, so it's not an easy thing to do... |
| 06:45.42 | troubled | EznorbYar: yes, just not for beginers. Perhaps try join #perl on freenode here. they might be better suited to help you with perl scripts |
| 06:46.16 | troubled | EznorbYar: what your asking is more a multiple hour hand holding session to learn how to use linux, which I don't have the time for, sorry. |
| 06:46.24 | stew | #perl is not suited to beginners |
| 06:46.25 | stew | at all |
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| 06:46.46 | troubled | honestly, i dont think any channel is :) |
| 06:46.57 | troubled | not that level of beginner |
| 06:47.04 | EznorbYar | lol |
| 06:47.08 | stew | certainly not #perl |
| 06:47.20 | stew | sweet, |
| 06:47.36 | Obligatory | streuner: Looking up bug #404281 lead me to /etc/sensors.conf, which says various chipsets are weird, so they have an ad hoc "ignore" setting for bad inputs. Which kind of explains it as a known problem.... |
| 06:47.38 | troubled | if you can install linux and dont know what a shell is or how to run something, you need to do some reading on your own first imho |
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| 06:49.10 | troubled | actually, i find it rather strange when someone who is of the level of "whats double click mean?" can even manage to get debian installed really. just "pressing enter" doesnt cut it these days |
| 06:49.25 | troubled | EznorbYar: do you have windows on your machine as well? |
| 06:49.28 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, I came in late: what did you want to do with this perl program you have? |
| 06:49.37 | popt | how debian define from rc2.d to rc5.d? |
| 06:49.45 | stew | popt: all the same |
| 06:49.56 | popt | is there any different on this runlevel? |
| 06:49.58 | EznorbYar | troubled: i have windows on this laptop, and debian on the desktop beside me |
| 06:50.09 | troubled | Obligatory: "run it". but you need to explain what a shell is, what a dir is, how to get there, etc. he's double clicking and opening in an editor instead of running (perhaps right click) |
| 06:50.10 | stew | popt: none unless you make one of them different |
| 06:50.11 | popt | all the same? |
| 06:50.20 | stew | popt: all the same |
| 06:50.24 | popt | I see |
| 06:50.31 | EznorbYar | Obligatory: i don't really know lol. i'm just playing around, and trying to learn stuff |
| 06:51.02 | Obligatory | troubled: thanks. I'll see how we do... |
| 06:51.25 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, OK lets learn stuff. You have a desktop right? |
| 06:51.42 | popt | thank stew |
| 06:51.43 | EznorbYar | yeah, i have the X11 desktop |
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| 06:52.25 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, what kind of icons are on your desktop? |
| 06:52.38 | helpshorewall | what is the bet dist to use ...... debian or ubuntu .. for running a server with shorewall/squid/samba ??? |
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| 06:53.04 | helpshorewall | and LAMP |
| 06:53.11 | EznorbYar | Computer, <username's> home, Trash, Iceweasel, and Root Terminal |
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| 06:54.17 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, click on Root Terminal. |
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| 06:55.00 | EznorbYar | okay, albino Command Prompt is on-screen |
| 06:55.13 | stew | helpshorewall: we, of course, prefer debian |
| 06:55.28 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, cool. Ever use MSDOS? |
| 06:55.36 | EznorbYar | a little bit |
| 06:55.49 | EznorbYar | i know the basic terminal commands like LS, MAN, CD etc too |
| 06:56.21 | redduck686 | i need a lightweight httpd with mod_proxy that can handle biggish files. apache ain't lightweight, neither lighttpd or nginx seem to be able to handle biggish files :/ (ram consumption raises a LOT if i try to download bigger files throught mod_proxy). any reccomandations? |
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| 06:57.06 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, it's like MSDOS only it has more features/fun/horrors. Anyway, troubled says you want to run a perl program, true? |
| 06:57.17 | popt | tcp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN r |
| 06:57.35 | popt | what's this running program, sigh |
| 06:57.54 | stew | popt: portmap (/msg dpkg open ports) |
| 06:58.14 | EznorbYar | Obligatory: at the moment, that was what i was playing with...though really i just want to know how linux works in general |
| 06:58.17 | redduck686 | popt: netstat -natup is your friend :) |
| 06:58.39 | popt | what I just posted is a netstat result |
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| 06:59.05 | stew | popt: yes, and if you had given it -p you wouldn't have to ask what program it was |
| 07:00.19 | troubled | stew: well, he output does see to have the program field, listed as "r". my question would be, why was it cut short? |
| 07:00.20 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, if you play you'll learn. So... what's your question? |
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| 07:00.32 | popt | "/msg dpkg open ports" return only 2 words: open ports |
| 07:00.42 | stew | dpkg: open ports |
| 07:00.43 | dpkg | from memory, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 07:01.11 | popt | stew, I did give -p |
| 07:01.27 | stew | popt: then i didn't understand your question |
| 07:01.35 | EznorbYar | Obligatory: i'm gonna take this to whispers |
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| 07:01.57 | popt | tcp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN r |
| 07:01.57 | redduck686 | stew: i think his terminal width was too short to dosplay the program name |
| 07:02.26 | popt | I meant which script run this service(sunrpc)? |
| 07:02.26 | troubled | redduck686: so it cut out "po" and "tmap" only leaving the "r"? |
| 07:02.42 | popt | and how to stop it, like I stop netatalk |
| 07:02.57 | troubled | popt: /etc/init.d/portmap stop |
| 07:03.07 | stew | popt: do you use nfs? |
| 07:03.12 | redduck686 | troubled: heh |
| 07:03.15 | popt | oh, it is ... |
| 07:03.22 | popt | currenly nope |
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| 07:03.29 | dakoo | update-rc.d |
| 07:03.42 | popt | currently |
| 07:04.00 | stew | what is the thing that usually pulls it in? gnome? |
| 07:04.15 | popt | gnome, yes |
| 07:04.36 | stew | !portmap |
| 07:04.36 | dpkg | portmap is, like, for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 07:04.37 | vickybot | stew: Error: "portmap" is not a valid command. |
| 07:04.55 | scrillaz | hello how do i correct dpkg was interrupted |
| 07:05.03 | stew | vickybot: who owns you |
| 07:05.05 | redduck686 | scrillaz: dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:05.05 | vickybot | stew: Error: "who" is not a valid command. |
| 07:05.13 | troubled | !status |
| 07:05.13 | dpkg | Since Tue Sep 25 11:05:02 2007, there have been 3 modifications, 125 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 51 commands. I have been awake for 20h 10s this session, and currently reference 37615 factoids. I'm using about 15588 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 54.15/2.96 child 0/0 |
| 07:05.13 | vickybot | troubled: I am connected to freenode as vickybot and hirc as vickybot. |
| 07:05.22 | troubled | hmm |
| 07:05.24 | scrillaz | that does not either after i reboot |
| 07:05.26 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, did you get the whispers working? |
| 07:05.30 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 07:05.37 | scrillaz | does not work after i reboot |
| 07:05.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b %vickybot*!*@*] by stew |
| 07:06.00 | stew | vickybot: eat that |
| 07:06.01 | EznorbYar | Obligatory: apparently not? lol i sent one, i guess i'm doing it wrong >.< |
| 07:06.05 | troubled | stew: oh god, its a supybot too. them things are chattery |
| 07:06.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
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| 07:06.22 | evil-rhino | how do i launch an X app from the terminal so that it doesn't terminate when the terminal session is? |
| 07:06.48 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, no, I got that, it said "hello?", I'll try it from this end... |
| 07:06.58 | redduck686 | evil-rhino: nohup app & |
| 07:07.00 | gustavo | have someone ever run a mysql server chrooted? im having getting this error: /usr/local/mysql/libexec/mysqld: File './mysql-bin.index' not found (Errcode: 13) |
| 07:07.18 | EznorbYar | Obligatory: oh, you got it, but you cant reply? what IRC client are you using? |
| 07:07.26 | popt | stew, troubled : just make sure, do you mean /etc/init.d/portmap is the script to start sunrpc? |
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| 07:08.01 | scrillaz | this happened when i upgraded konqueror |
| 07:08.05 | troubled | popt: start, stop yes |
| 07:08.09 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, nah I got, replied, but you didn't get the reply. Trying again... |
| 07:08.15 | popt | ok |
| 07:08.22 | dimsuz | what's the best way to install unstable dist? download minimal iso and proceed from that point? |
| 07:08.45 | streuner | dimsuz: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:08.47 | stew | popt: its the script to start portmap, which runs on the sunrpc port |
| 07:09.28 | dimsuz | streuner: thanks |
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| 07:09.39 | popt | I use netstat with -p option, but only find its service name, PID/Program name is blank |
| 07:09.45 | streuner | np :-) |
| 07:09.48 | stew | popt: run it as root |
| 07:09.59 | popt | hm |
| 07:10.02 | stew | popt: by 'service name' you mean 'port' |
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| 07:12.04 | troubled | stew: hcy owns vickybot |
| 07:12.22 | troubled | isp match on dns as well |
| 07:12.24 | popt | oh yes, find it! |
| 07:12.25 | popt | udp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* root 8039 3879/portmap |
| 07:12.31 | Obligatory | EznorbYar, this dialog thing, I'm not seeing replies. |
| 07:12.43 | popt | stew :) |
| 07:13.08 | troubled | !seen hcy |
| 07:13.08 | dpkg | hcy <n=hcy@IGLD-84-228-33-86.inter.net.il> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 39d 15h 51m 34s ago, saying: 'liable: ok, lemme try that...'. |
| 07:13.18 | xushi | hi all |
| 07:13.36 | xushi | I'm having trouble searching for .svn foldrs and deleting them.. can anyone spot the mistake in my line? `find -type d -name .svn -exec rm -rf \{\} \;` |
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| 07:15.12 | Supaplex | rm -Rf maybe? |
| 07:15.16 | troubled | stew: hmmm, 39 days. and vickybot only joined for the first time yesterday around 5pm est |
| 07:15.32 | Gm4n | xushi: replace \; with ; |
| 07:15.38 | stew | troubled: what makes you say that hcy owns it? |
| 07:15.39 | Supaplex | I think svn has a 'wipe out the lame .svn directories' thing-a-ma-jiggy |
| 07:15.40 | popt | '/msg dpkg ... ' is great! |
| 07:15.52 | Gm4n | and I don't think you need \{\}, just use {} |
| 07:15.55 | Supaplex | popt: so is /query dpkg :) |
| 07:15.59 | popt | wonder who wrote such a wonderful irc scripts |
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| 07:16.07 | Supaplex | dpkg: who owns you |
| 07:16.08 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 07:16.11 | redduck686 | xushi: why do you have ` around the command? |
| 07:16.14 | dimsuz | i have intel ethernet adapter which needs e1000 driver, does minimal iso installation image have that? |
| 07:16.22 | troubled | stew: the bot only has 2 users, itself and hcy listed. and hcy has same isp and near identical dns |
| 07:16.29 | xushi | : redduck686 i don't.. i just did it here so you know where it starts and where it ends |
| 07:16.34 | xushi | i think i got it now :) |
| 07:16.43 | troubled | stew: /msg vickybot user list |
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| 07:16.49 | streuner | dimsuz: should be supported, but in doubt ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) about |
| 07:16.58 | troubled | stew: hcy | n=hcy | IGLD-84-228-33-86.inter.net.il |
| 07:17.04 | stew | troubled: thanks |
| 07:17.07 | troubled | np |
| 07:17.08 | dimsuz | streuner: thanks again :) |
| 07:17.27 | popt | oh wait, a irc user dpkg is speaking? |
| 07:17.32 | popt | I thought it's a bot |
| 07:17.46 | popt | is it? |
| 07:17.55 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 07:17.55 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:18.08 | redduck686 | xushi: what makes you think the command doesn't work? |
| 07:18.13 | popt | wow |
| 07:18.47 | popt | had thought hes a bot |
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| 07:19.03 | xushi | redduck686: it was giving me weird errors with the -name part. But i think i got it to work under root (maybe the .svn were inaccessible by me) |
| 07:19.13 | xushi | also i had -name /*.svn/* which didn't help |
| 07:19.21 | helpshorewall | Make a fresh start again .... |
| 07:19.22 | dimsuz | popt: lol he is. ask him again ;) |
| 07:19.41 | popt | he is? |
| 07:19.41 | redduck686 | xushi: you seccond command is all another story. the first one looks OK. |
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| 07:20.00 | xushi | thanks for the help =) Finally i'm getting the grip with find.. next step, sed |
| 07:20.11 | dimsuz | popt: yup. you can speak with him: /msg dpkg whatever |
| 07:20.18 | redduck686 | xushi: -name matches only the name and not the full path, so /*.svn/* won't match anything. |
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| 07:20.35 | popt | I won't talk a bot |
| 07:20.55 | redduck686 | also, when you are using characters spacial to your shell it is advisable that you quote them, ie '*.svn*' |
| 07:21.01 | popt | :confused: |
| 07:21.14 | dimsuz | popt: why? :) I like it ;) |
| 07:21.14 | popt | he is, he isn't , is he? |
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| 07:21.18 | xushi | would it matter if it's single or double quote ? |
| 07:21.30 | xushi | ll |
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| 07:21.44 | redduck686 | xushi: depends what kind of special chars you put it, for a '*' it doesn't matter. |
| 07:21.45 | troubled | popt: yes, dpkg is a bot here. as well as apt |
| 07:21.48 | stew | xushi: inside double quotes, shell variables would be expanded, in single quotes they aren't |
| 07:22.01 | hoxu | is there a way to stop mouse moving events (optical mouse, duh) from waking X up from dpms/screensaver? |
| 07:22.08 | dimsuz | troubled: didn't know about apt |
| 07:22.12 | dimsuz | apt: hi |
| 07:22.12 | apt | hello, dimsuz |
| 07:22.22 | stew | xushi: so find '$HOME' will actually look for a directory named "$HOME" but find "$HOME" would replace $HOME with your home directory |
| 07:22.24 | dimsuz | apt: tell me about emacs |
| 07:22.25 | popt | Supaplex, /query dpkg got nothing returns |
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| 07:22.41 | troubled | dimsuz: its one of the programmers bots, more factoids, more a backup of dpkg, uses ~ as a trigger |
| 07:22.42 | xushi | that's good to know |
| 07:22.55 | dimsuz | troubled: thanks |
| 07:23.06 | Supaplex | @smack popt |
| 07:23.20 | hoxu | I'm giving a /hug for whoever manages to solve my problem :P |
| 07:23.30 | troubled | it would appear tonight is bot night :) |
| 07:23.35 | Supaplex | ~hug hoxu |
| 07:23.36 | apt | ACTION jumps into hoxu's lap and huggles and *hugs* hoxu |
| 07:23.50 | Supaplex | !hug hoxu |
| 07:23.58 | hoxu | Supaplex, well, that's what I had in mind... :P |
| 07:24.06 | Supaplex | hehehee |
| 07:24.08 | popt | oh my god, how do you talk to bot like this: |
| 07:24.22 | troubled | Supaplex: yes please, before everyone wants to take a test drive of all 3 :) |
| 07:24.28 | popt | hello apt, and hi |
| 07:24.30 | Supaplex | !say popt: Wassup man? |
| 07:24.30 | dpkg | popt: Wassup man |
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| 07:25.06 | redduck686 | i need a lightweight httpd with mod_proxy that can handle biggish files. apache ain't lightweight, neither lighttpd or nginx seem to be able to handle biggish files :/ (ram consumption raises a LOT if i try to download bigger files throught mod_proxy). any reccomandations? |
| 07:25.09 | Supaplex | DavidB: ftth+ppp? weird. |
| 07:25.24 | popt | dimsuz> apt: hi |
| 07:25.24 | popt | <apt> hello, dimsuz |
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| 07:25.31 | popt | how to make this? |
| 07:25.34 | popt | really fun |
| 07:25.39 | Supaplex | redduck686: why not squid? - it has resource limits iirc |
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| 07:25.57 | apol | how can I tell debian that when I call qmake I want to get qmake-qt4 called instead of qmake-qt3? |
| 07:25.58 | popt | !popt: hello |
| 07:27.08 | dimsuz | popt: apt is a bot. just tell him "hello" like I did |
| 07:27.43 | popt | I msg "/msg apt hello" |
| 07:27.53 | popt | bot responses: <apt> privet |
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| 07:28.18 | popt | apt: hello |
| 07:28.18 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 07:28.25 | redduck686 | Supaplex: hmmmmm, what i need is that certains domain names get proxied to 127.0.0.1:80 while others get proxied to 127.0.0.1:81, from my understanding squid can't do that. am i wrong? |
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| 07:28.41 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:28.59 | troubled | ~literal hello |
| 07:28.59 | apt | "hello" is "<reply> Howdy Bub" |
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| 07:29.02 | popt | now it seems to me a IRC Game |
| 07:29.11 | dim | fglrx-driver seems broken in sid |
| 07:29.14 | stew | please go to #debian-bots to play with the bots, or do it in /query |
| 07:29.14 | popt | what is this blah...stuff |
| 07:29.15 | dim | any help/tips? |
| 07:29.33 | troubled | popt: actually, i believe hello is in fact a random salutation thats built in |
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| 07:29.48 | popt | oh |
| 07:30.08 | popt | in this bot script wrote in perl? |
| 07:30.13 | troubled | yes |
| 07:30.20 | troubled | !blootbot |
| 07:30.20 | dpkg | hmm... blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
| 07:30.43 | popt | who wrote it is so great, it's fun |
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| 07:31.08 | helpshorewall | !blootbot |
| 07:31.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
| 07:31.13 | troubled | the fun wears off, but the convienience doesnt |
| 07:31.21 | popt | coder: xk |
| 07:31.29 | troubled | apparently, don needs to tweak the repeat rate a tad |
| 07:31.36 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 07:31.59 | popt | oh yes, really it's perl! |
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| 07:32.03 | popt | in perl |
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| 07:32.17 | presto101 | hello all |
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| 07:32.45 | presto101 | ive got a question |
| 07:32.55 | Agiofws | i need to know if etches install partition-er does resizing or not cause i would like to know if i destroyed vista or not can anyone help ? |
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| 07:33.34 | presto101 | im a newish user who has grown up on mint and ubuntu should i try debian or not |
| 07:34.22 | redduck686 | presto101: depends on what you think you would achieve by trying out debian. |
| 07:34.30 | Gm4n | and what you want in an operating system |
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| 07:35.11 | jackle | presto101: If you want to take it hard and learn allot, Gentoo. If want it to work.. Debain/Ubuntu. Ubuntu has a bit more pre-config packages. |
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| 07:35.39 | popt | it sounds silly, ok, but I just talke with bot:) |
| 07:35.42 | popt | it's fun |
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| 07:40.04 | hoxu | is there a way to prevent mouse moving events from waking up monitor (from "xset dpsm force standby" for example)? |
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| 07:40.38 | axscode | hi, how to add the /etc/apt/source.list using the installer like? whats the utility please? |
| 07:40.59 | stew | axscode: there is no such utility |
| 07:41.10 | Fox_1_ | people I have big problem with squid. in syslog it's write an warning and doesn't work. here is the message "WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors" |
| 07:41.24 | stew | axscode: it was called "apt-setup" but it is no longer available as a standalone app |
| 07:41.49 | Fox_1_ | and command "ulimit -Hn 8192" doesn't help |
| 07:42.02 | Agiofws | i need to know if etches install partition-er does resizing or not cause i would like to know if i destroyed vista or not can anyone help ? |
| 07:42.21 | axscode | stew: ok where can i get the list of repository for my new debian? |
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| 07:42.28 | stew | axscode: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 07:43.01 | Agiofws | i installed etch on this vista laptop did the partitioner resize or eraze ? |
| 07:43.17 | axscode | stew: this is for etch 4.1 right? |
| 07:43.24 | hoxu | Fox_1_, did you check google with the error message? I found this: http://paulgoscicki.com/archives/2007/01/squid-warning-your-cache-is-running-out-of-filedescriptors/ |
| 07:44.16 | stew | axscode: etch is 4.0. this list is not specific to etch |
| 07:44.24 | axscode | ok |
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| 07:49.32 | hoxu | so, anyone know a solution, other than hammer, to stop optical mouse from waking up X screensaver/dpms when someone sneezes in the house? |
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| 07:49.50 | stew | hoxu: unplug it |
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| 07:50.15 | stew | a hammer is only going to make it move more |
| 07:50.17 | troubled | hoxu: change power managment event settings in bios? |
| 07:50.18 | hoxu | well, that's not very practical, unless there is a device that can unplug other devices via execution of a command :) |
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| 07:50.38 | stew | hoxu: is it a usb mouse or a ps2 mouse or what? |
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| 07:50.46 | hoxu | troubled, so it's a bios thing? I'm kinda sure I haven't seen any related settings :\ |
| 07:50.51 | hoxu | usb mouse |
| 07:50.53 | dalias | it's not a bios thing |
| 07:50.56 | stew | hoxu: modprobe -r usbmouse |
| 07:51.09 | hoxu | stew, mmmm :P |
| 07:51.11 | dalias | bios has no effect whatsoever once linux takes control |
| 07:51.16 | dalias | unless you use legacy apm stuff |
| 07:51.48 | troubled | hoxu: ive seen them, just never tried it. but you can control things like what irqs and such wake the pc. might work for this |
| 07:51.49 | hoxu | any other suggestions than modprobe? :) |
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| 07:52.33 | troubled | dalias: :( |
| 07:52.40 | dalias | troubled, the pc isn't asleep |
| 07:52.49 | dalias | X has just turned off the monitor |
| 07:52.51 | troubled | hoxu: turn down your mouse sensitivity? |
| 07:53.02 | dalias | that's a good idea |
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| 07:53.40 | hoxu | troubled, worth testing, thanks for the idea |
| 07:53.47 | troubled | good point (re not asleep) |
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| 07:56.42 | hoxu | I could also leave it hanging in the air, I guess, but that's not a very technical solution :P |
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| 08:03.42 | Agiofws | i installed etch on this vista laptop did etches partitioner resize and keep vista or eraze it ? |
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| 08:11.38 | Element14 | Agiofws: actually why don't you boot up a live cd and check whether your vista installation is still there...? |
| 08:12.11 | Agiofws | how what live cd ? |
| 08:12.16 | Agiofws | a linux live cd ? |
| 08:12.21 | Agiofws | a vistas live cd ? |
| 08:12.33 | Gm4n | there are vista live CDs? o.O |
| 08:12.38 | Agiofws | sorry |
| 08:12.56 | Agiofws | ok linux live cd ? and check for what ? |
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| 08:15.20 | Element14 | just check inside your harddisk to see whether there are still ntfs partitions lying around.... |
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| 08:22.34 | Agiofws | Element14, i don;t have to boot witha live cd to see that right ? |
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| 08:23.59 | tarzeau | where does an import something in a python program look for the something? |
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| 08:25.07 | Element14 | Agiofws: uh actually yes, if your current system is bootable... |
| 08:25.33 | Agiofws | it has etch on it |
| 08:25.39 | Agiofws | Element14, cfdisk ? |
| 08:26.08 | Element14 | yeah and try mounting the partitions with ntfs (not sure exactly how, ask around) |
| 08:26.29 | Agiofws | no no ntfs just free space |
| 08:26.37 | amphi | tarzeau: $PREFIX/lib/python-x.y/site-packages perhaps |
| 08:27.13 | Agiofws | should i check with a gui partition manager ? |
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| 08:27.26 | mmc | I have an 'install' target in my Makefile which installs under DESTDIR. Yet, running "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" those "installed" files are not included in the package. If I use debian/package.install file, I get everything ok. |
| 08:27.40 | Gm4n | how can I make my system reparse /etc/hostname? |
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| 08:28.01 | Element14 | Agiofws: your ntfs partitions are probably screwed then.. |
| 08:28.31 | Agiofws | i need a little windows client |
| 08:29.19 | Gm4n | allow me to clear that up slightly... how do I make my system read the new /etc/hostname without rebooting? |
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| 08:29.31 | Agiofws | Element14, is there anything like a gui for smbclient |
| 08:29.39 | Agiofws | so i can use a filenamanger ? |
| 08:29.54 | Agiofws | or must i do it with mount -t smbfs ? |
| 08:30.00 | Element14 | no idea... |
| 08:30.02 | Agiofws | and then open a filemanager ? |
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| 08:30.27 | jackle | Agiofws : smb4k |
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| 08:30.34 | solid_liq | Agiofws: kde has a kioslave for it |
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| 08:30.42 | solid_liq | Agiofws: in konqueror, use smb:// |
| 08:30.47 | tarzeau | amphi: i put it all over all site-packages and it still doesn't find it :( |
| 08:32.29 | Agiofws | i am using debian and xfce so if i install anything that uses KDE i think its going to install a whole lot |
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| 08:32.53 | Agiofws | wait i ahve this set up on anoather host infact this one has kde |
| 08:33.31 | amphi | tarzeau: doing import foo in an interactive python sessio fails? |
| 08:34.06 | tarzeau | amphi: yes |
| 08:34.18 | Agiofws | GREAT |
| 08:34.20 | tarzeau | amphi: it's import vtkpython, but import vtk works.. maybe i change the program? |
| 08:34.26 | Agiofws | no lets see if the quoat thing works |
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| 08:35.57 | amphi | tarzeau: could try |
| 08:36.13 | ertg | Hi! I' ve a computer with core2 processor, and i' d like to install a debian onto it. What netinst iso should i use? So which architecture? |
| 08:36.32 | shamrock | could anyone suggest why, having installed camserv, there are two processes of camserve running? I killed them all and then ran "/etc/init.d/camserv start" and again there appear (via "ps -alx | grep -i camserv") two camserv processes running. |
| 08:37.15 | tarzeau | ertg: amd64 or i386 |
| 08:38.11 | shamrock | tarzeau: that narrows it down. |
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| 08:39.25 | ertg | tarzeau: is amd64 better for this machine, right? |
| 08:39.37 | ertg | (tarzeau: if it' ll be a server). |
| 08:39.51 | tarzeau | ertg: well, not a question that can be answered with yes or no. it depends |
| 08:40.11 | tarzeau | ertg: how much memory do you have? what will you do? do you need any binary-only software that's not available for 64 bit linux? |
| 08:40.23 | tarzeau | ertg: do you have software that's not tested on 64 bit mode? |
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| 08:41.26 | ertg | tarzeau: this will be a simply server with apache, perl, postgresql, and amavis, so no binary, which is not available from repos. |
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| 08:42.08 | tarzeau | ertg: i'd pick the amd64 one, then switch back to 32bit if it's not working |
| 08:42.21 | gustavo | hey |
| 08:42.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:42.34 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:42.46 | smiler | if you have alot of ram (so that 64-bit addressing is needed) or if you have software that can only run on 64-bit CPUs then you should run in 64-bit mode, otherwise I'd stay to 32-bit |
| 08:42.50 | tarzeau | ertg: as you can see from popcon, the amd64 one usage has increased quite some |
| 08:42.52 | gustavo | where i place the scripts to auto-start a service during system start? |
| 08:42.57 | gustavo | where do i place the scripts to auto-start a service during system start? |
| 08:43.05 | tarzeau | gustavo: /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:43.09 | gustavo | thanks |
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| 08:43.32 | gustavo | tarzeau: i just place the shell script there? |
| 08:43.36 | tarzeau | gustavo: then man update-rc.d |
| 08:43.44 | gustavo | ok, thanks |
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| 08:43.48 | tarzeau | gustavo: and link it to where/when you want it started OR |
| 08:44.04 | tarzeau | gustavo: there's also possibilit with cron, like this: @reboot screen -dmS sauer /home/sengun/ssd |
| 08:44.06 | shamrock | ertg: which mother board? |
| 08:44.11 | ertg | tarzeau: yes, i see. |
| 08:44.17 | tarzeau | gustavo: i run a sauerbraten server daemon in screen, like that |
| 08:44.45 | ertg | tarzeau: This is a gigabyte fsb1066 GA-945GCMX-S2 |
| 08:45.21 | tarzeau | ertg: no idea, install it, try flashrom -r test.rom on it, and help the #openbios guys |
| 08:45.27 | shamrock | I had to get Lenny and then the Sid kernel in order to boot. Issues with SATA and Intel P35 chipsets. It was a bit of a nightmare to be honest. Ubuntu worked out of the box. |
| 08:45.51 | ertg | tarzeau: Thanks, i choose amd64, if doesn' t work properly, then i386. Thanks. |
| 08:46.15 | amphi | tarzeau: did thatwork? |
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| 08:46.26 | tarzeau | amphi: i'm rebuilding chombovis, and retrying |
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| 08:47.34 | Gm4n | how do I change my computer's name? |
| 08:47.49 | tarzeau | Gm4n: hostname newname |
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| 08:48.04 | Gm4n | does it need to be a FQDN? |
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| 08:48.06 | tarzeau | Gm4n: then edit /etc/hosts, maybe also hostname/nodename, then telinit q |
| 08:48.16 | tarzeau | Gm4n: man hostname (no) |
| 08:48.34 | tarzeau | Gm4n: in man 5 hosts you should have it though (first thing after the ip) |
| 08:48.53 | Gm4n | aha |
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| 08:49.14 | gustavo | tarzeau: so i put my script.sh on /etc/init.d and make a link on /etc/rc0.d/ ? |
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| 08:49.22 | tarzeau | gustavo: more like rc2.d |
| 08:49.31 | AbacusMonkey | rc0.d will run it when u shutdown lol |
| 08:49.37 | tarzeau | gustavo: try who -r , it shows you your current rl |
| 08:49.39 | gustavo | lol |
| 08:49.39 | Gm4n | tarzeau: how do I appy it without rebooting? |
| 08:49.41 | gustavo | sorry :) |
| 08:49.57 | tarzeau | amphi: now it says: ImportError: No module named libVTKChomboPython |
| 08:50.00 | AbacusMonkey | just to /etc/init.d/scriptname start |
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| 08:50.09 | AbacusMonkey | *do |
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| 08:50.12 | gustavo | okay, thnaks :) |
| 08:50.19 | AbacusMonkey | no :) |
| 08:50.24 | AbacusMonkey | *worries |
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| 08:50.48 | gustavo | im asking because im running a chrooted service |
| 08:51.13 | gustavo | so, i will need to start it on system's start |
| 08:51.32 | gustavo | but im kind new on this :) |
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| 08:52.42 | gustavo | tarzeau: the link on /etc/rc2.d/ is a symbolic link (ln -s) ? |
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| 08:53.00 | tarzeau | gustavo: usually, yes |
| 08:53.23 | blahdeblah | Can anyone recommend a utility to find and remove or hard link duplicate files in a given tree? |
| 08:54.01 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: doesn't stat show info on a file? |
| 08:54.04 | gustavo | tarzeau: is there any need to run update.rc command? (sorry for the lot of questions) :) |
| 08:54.06 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: or maybe the symlinks pkg? |
| 08:54.25 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: there's also fdupes (but it's for same content, not sure it finds hardlinks as so) |
| 08:54.33 | tarzeau | gustavo: no, but it's preferred in debian |
| 08:55.11 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: thanks |
| 08:55.53 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: don't forget "stat" |
| 08:56.22 | blahdeblah | What value can stat bring to this? I want to find them and then delete or hard link them. Stat just displays information, doesn't it? |
| 08:56.39 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: it shows Links: ? |
| 08:56.56 | blahdeblah | So does ls. :-) |
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| 08:57.05 | SF7 | I want to create a dual-boot on my new hdd. 30 gig xp partition and 30 gig debian partition. how do I go about this? |
| 08:57.06 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: it's easy to make such a oneliner? maybe? the problem remains which file is the original (at which location) |
| 08:57.22 | gustavo | tarzeau: update-rc.d script.sh defaults ? |
| 08:57.51 | tarzeau | gustavo: oh don't know the details, depends what you want to do |
| 08:58.11 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: I find it hard to believe that it could be a one-liner without a tool dedicated to the purpose... |
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| 08:58.31 | gustavo | tarzeau: but generically saying, is that right? |
| 08:58.41 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: do you know if the system has some hardlinked files somewhere? i can give you an example... |
| 08:58.45 | SF7 | does it make a difference which os I install First? |
| 08:58.53 | tarzeau | gustavo: i don't know. check the manual page. man update-rc.d |
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| 08:59.06 | tarzeau | SF7: not really, but windows kills the boot loader (whatever it was) |
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| 08:59.23 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: I know it has many hardlinked files, and that's what i want in most cases. |
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| 08:59.51 | gustavo | tarzeau: okay, thanks |
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| 09:01.35 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: This is part of bigger problem: it seems that the same SD card formatted in VFAT will sometimes mount with lower-case filenames, and sometimes with upper case filenames, and i want to sync the files to my desktop, then delete the duplicates. I'd be happy to know if there's a better way than scripting rsync and then looking for duplicates... I already looked to see if rsync can mangle case and it appears not. |
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| 09:02.13 | slap | how do i actually remove a rule in iptables |
| 09:02.23 | blahdeblah | slap: iptables -D table position |
| 09:02.36 | slap | what is table position |
| 09:03.17 | blahdeblah | slap: the order it appears in the table, starting with 1 |
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| 09:03.32 | slap | is there a way to list tables with index |
| 09:03.36 | slap | (position) |
| 09:03.48 | blahdeblah | iptables -L -n -v table | grep -n . |
| 09:04.06 | blahdeblah | (Then subtract the right number to get rid of the headers...) |
| 09:04.08 | blahdeblah | :-) |
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| 09:04.35 | blahdeblah | Whoops - table should be after -L |
| 09:04.36 | slap | what? |
| 09:05.17 | blahdeblah | slap: Try this: iptables -L table -n -v | tail -n +3 | grep -n . |
| 09:05.24 | pocukrani | can read throug data with D partition, if is before was on C partition Windows and od D partition data? |
| 09:05.25 | slap | no i want to list index so i can remove it |
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| 09:05.38 | slap | now all rules have no index |
| 09:05.52 | helpshorewall | So please .. will some on answer this question ... If I have set upp a firewall for my ADSL must I also set up a DNS server like http://www.howtoforge.com/two_in_one_dns_bind9_views or is it enough to include my (by ISP) dns server in resolv.conf ???? |
| 09:06.10 | blahdeblah | slap: Run the command i just typed - i've just tested it on one of my etch machines. |
| 09:06.36 | blahdeblah | helpshorewall: It depends on what you want to do, but it's often good to run a local cache for performance reasons. |
| 09:07.05 | slap | YOUR COMMAN DODESN'T WORK |
| 09:07.11 | helpshorewall | I will have a LAN with 25 clients to access the internet |
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| 09:07.37 | trumpen | slap: try using --line-numbers (man iptables ;)) |
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| 09:07.54 | blahdeblah | helpshorewall: A local DNS server is probably a good idea, although you don't necessarily need views unless there is something else requiring it (e.g. local dmz). |
| 09:08.11 | slap | then i can use iptables -D 3? |
| 09:08.26 | blahdeblah | slap: trumpen's solution is much better - but no need to shout about it. :-) |
| 09:08.37 | blahdeblah | slap: You'll need the table name in that last command... |
| 09:08.46 | Fox_1_ | people my connection with my server is great, but when I want to connect to my server via ssh it's take long time until ssh ask password. after connection it's again work fast. can anyone know how to fix that? |
| 09:08.47 | slap | you mean chain name |
| 09:08.54 | helpshorewall | I have on the LAN a win2003 server that have dns setup .. is that enough ... |
| 09:09.04 | blahdeblah | slap: Yeah |
| 09:10.04 | blahdeblah | helpshorewall: Probably, although don't ask how to configure it here... ;-) |
| 09:10.31 | blahdeblah | Fox_1_: Usually when i've seen that it's because of a DNS timeout due to incorrect configuration |
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| 09:11.49 | Fox_1_ | blahdeblah, DNS not the problem, and which configuration can du that? I mean what do you want to say by "incorrect configuration" |
| 09:11.50 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 09:12.26 | helpshorewall | That's already done ... but when I replace my Sonicwall (box that is a firewall) with this debian/shorewall/squid then after a while I suddenly can't connect to internet ... |
| 09:12.44 | petemc | Fox_1_: you can run the sshd in debug mode, should show you what its stalling on |
| 09:12.57 | petemc | Fox_1_: also, try use ssh -vvv when connecting to the server |
| 09:12.57 | blahdeblah | Fox_1_: wrong IP address for DNS server is one example, another is firewall dropping the DNS packets. |
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| 09:13.11 | blahdeblah | Fox_1_: Do what petemc said... |
| 09:14.07 | blahdeblah | helpshorewall: Sounds like a question for #shorewall |
| 09:14.32 | Fox_1_ | petemc, -vvv says "Cannot determine realm for numeric host address" |
| 09:14.32 | Fox_1_ | debug1: An invalid name was supplied |
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| 09:14.34 | Fox_1_ | ... |
| 09:14.55 | Fox_1_ | blahdeblah, you mean sshd in debug mode? |
| 09:14.59 | blahdeblah | helpshorewall: And make sure you have read the FAQ & support guide before you ask... ;-) |
| 09:15.10 | Fox_1_ | can I do that when I have only remote connection |
| 09:15.11 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 09:15.23 | helpshorewall | an other question that belongs to this ... in ubuntu you can change alias for interfaces /etc/iftab where do you do that in debian ?? |
| 09:15.23 | petemc | Fox_1_: so now you've got something to work on |
| 09:15.28 | quitte | morning. I'm having trouble getting reprepro to work. as it seems some packages have disappeared from etch but are still in the Packages file. http://packages.debian.org/etch/unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-k7/i386/download for example. |
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| 09:16.13 | quitte | helpshorewall: /etc/udev/rules.d/030_ifplugd.rules |
| 09:16.13 | Fox_1_ | petemc, btw, with -vvv it asked password very fast |
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| 09:16.29 | petemc | Fox_1_: did you not say its fast the second time anyway? |
| 09:16.47 | quitte | helpshorewall: maybe I misunderstood what you mean by alias |
| 09:17.25 | Fox_1_ | no |
| 09:17.37 | Fox_1_ | only after connection it works fast |
| 09:17.40 | jaggz- | can I set iptables to log only particular rules? |
| 09:18.00 | Fox_1_ | every time when I want to connect it works slow |
| 09:18.06 | DustyBin | jaggz: use snort |
| 09:18.07 | jaggz- | like, when it accepts particular http connections, log those, but some other IPs it does not log |
| 09:18.16 | jaggz- | I mean, as an ongoing thing |
| 09:19.08 | helpshorewall | where you set eth0 eth1 etc |
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| 09:20.07 | blahdeblah | jaggz-: You can definitely do that - sounds like an FAQ to me; check the netfilter site. |
| 09:20.29 | helpshorewall | for exampel if I replace a nic then I get that nic on the next eth3 ... etc |
| 09:20.36 | quitte | how can I tell reprepro to not get a bunch of packages on update? |
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| 09:22.04 | quitte | helpshorewall: ok. the file i told you it is. |
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| 09:22.13 | s-andy | hi, I have strange problem with copying files from usbflash/dvdmedia... in large files one byte often differs from the original file |
| 09:22.38 | themill | quitte: the correct package is -5- not -4-; I'm not sure why the packages file is inconsistent though. |
| 09:23.17 | slap | is there way to set firewall rule based on host name instead of ip |
| 09:24.36 | quitte | themill: must have something to do with etch r1. it's quite annoying, though |
| 09:25.30 | DustyBin | O'Reillys Iptables handbook is good |
| 09:26.18 | s-andy | slap: just put hostname in -s or -d... or do you want iptables to resolve hostname for each packet? |
| 09:26.40 | blahdeblah | slap: You really don't want to do that... |
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| 09:29.15 | Ahmadinejad | My debian dont makes this: { when i press Alt Gr+the { sign |
| 09:29.21 | Ahmadinejad | it makes a 7 instead |
| 09:29.54 | [nitro] | i installed Debian Lenny on my laptop ... and cant install samba printer |
| 09:30.05 | [nitro] | i doesnt apear with icon |
| 09:30.31 | [nitro] | i think some packages are missing but dont know which |
| 09:30.45 | DustyBin | nitro: apt-cach search samba |
| 09:30.53 | DustyBin | cache |
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| 09:32.21 | [nitro] | samba shares are working. but strange thing is that printer setup has only two steps .. on ubuntu i think are few more |
| 09:32.46 | Nemoder | Ahmadinejad: run dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 09:33.48 | butti | hello |
| 09:33.55 | [nitro] | i installed with cd 1 only and then rest from internet |
| 09:33.56 | butti | is anybody there? |
| 09:34.48 | Ahmadinejad | Nemoder: run command not found |
| 09:35.05 | butti | I have quastion to blender v.2.45 |
| 09:35.10 | Nemoder | Ahmadinejad: "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" |
| 09:35.16 | Penix | butti: #blender |
| 09:35.24 | yang | does debian support hardware raid? |
| 09:35.27 | Ahmadinejad | a, sorry |
| 09:35.49 | Penix | yang: it's up to the Linux kernel. find out if your adapter has drivers |
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| 09:36.08 | Nemoder | Ahmadinejad: also, it needs to be run as root |
| 09:36.35 | butti | no...this is something debian folks...on the web site www.getdeb.. we need a newest blender .deb v.2.45 becouse a normal source doees not work properly |
| 09:36.41 | blahdeblah | yang: And read this first: http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html |
| 09:37.16 | Ahmadinejad | Nemoder: It write some text |
| 09:37.21 | yang | blahdeblah: this website is unreachable |
| 09:37.28 | Ahmadinejad | then there is a ok button like thing |
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| 09:37.49 | Penix | blahdeblah: we have nothing to do with getdeb.net. if you want a package, do it yourself or ask someone from the site |
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| 09:38.00 | Ahmadinejad | it dos not continue by clicking on it or pressing enter |
| 09:38.09 | BennieMan | Does anyone know whats the official channel of backtrack /? |
| 09:38.11 | Nemoder | Ahmadinejad: hit tab first |
| 09:38.26 | Penix | bah |
| 09:38.30 | Penix | butti: ^^ |
| 09:38.32 | blahdeblah | Penix: You mean butti, not blahdeblah |
| 09:38.36 | Penix | yeah, sorry |
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| 09:39.10 | blahdeblah | yang: Works perfectly for me... :-| |
| 09:39.26 | butti | Penix: I dont know how to do that, I think I would like to get help...becouse Im very hard working on blender and Im not a file hacker |
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| 09:39.38 | Ahmadinejad | i chosed danish key map |
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| 09:39.45 | Ahmadinejad | but still the same problem:( |
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| 09:40.04 | Nemoder | Ahmadinejad: you might need to log out and back in |
| 09:40.26 | Penix | butti: 2.45 is only in unstable atm |
| 09:40.30 | Selenolycus | hmm since when was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Debian-installer_menu_full.png installer used? |
| 09:40.33 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 09:40.41 | butti | Penix: if you would be so kind and it is so easy for you, maybe you could help me? |
| 09:41.22 | Penix | butti: I'll help you help yourself |
| 09:41.28 | butti | Penix: this is not true...it is just a patch |
| 09:41.31 | Selenolycus | I've never seen that particular installer. |
| 09:41.32 | garo | What's the url of that site where you can enter a filename in a form and it tells you which debian package you need to install to get that file ? |
| 09:41.45 | Selenolycus | Is it not included in the netinstallation version, only in full, or what? |
| 09:41.46 | Penix | !info blender unstable |
| 09:41.47 | dpkg | blender: (Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.45-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7035 kB, Installed size: 18500 kB |
| 09:42.05 | Penix | butti: there. 2.45. you can try building it against your system if you really want |
| 09:42.10 | butti | Penix: this is what I thought you tell me ...its somehow not nice |
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| 09:42.49 | Penix | butti: what's your point here? you want someone to repackage 2.45 for stable or something? |
| 09:43.10 | butti | Penix: in some few days somebody will do that without geting problem |
| 09:43.19 | Penix | I give up |
| 09:43.32 | robboplus | what might be wrong if after kernel upgrade my box says Begin: waiting for root file system... |
| 09:43.42 | robboplus | and it won't boot anymore |
| 09:43.59 | Penix | robboplus: custom or debian kernel? |
| 09:43.59 | butti | Penix: yes penix. I whish to have a newest version becouse it works better on my ati |
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| 09:44.12 | robboplus | Penix custom but i also tried a debian one and same prob now |
| 09:44.22 | robboplus | Penix i can't boot with whatever kernel i try |
| 09:44.43 | robboplus | Penix and the custom one is good as that's just ONE little change there |
| 09:44.45 | Penix | butti: then you'll have to either do it yourself (ie. use the source package from unstable and build it against stable) or wait for someone to do it |
| 09:45.32 | butti | I will wait, realy i dont know how to do that by self |
| 09:45.53 | Ahmadinejad | Nemoder: Not working even after a restart |
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| 09:46.07 | butti | Penix: tnank you anyway |
| 09:46.15 | robboplus | Penix i didn't use initrd before reboot, could it be connected to the prob i'm having now? |
| 09:46.48 | Penix | robboplus: do you usually use one? |
| 09:46.52 | robboplus | yes |
| 09:46.57 | Penix | robboplus: there you go then |
| 09:47.07 | robboplus | Penix but how can i fix it now if box won't boot? |
| 09:47.11 | Penix | robboplus: if your filesystem is a module in your initrd, where is the kernel supposed to load the driver from? |
| 09:47.12 | robboplus | Penix i have axx to files though |
| 09:47.14 | Ahmadinejad | Nemoder: I have found out what the problem is |
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| 09:47.29 | Ahmadinejad | this problem is that i control the debian machine via VNC |
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| 09:47.46 | Ahmadinejad | It works fine when i use the computer with its own keyboard |
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| 09:47.58 | Penix | robboplus: you'll need to create a new initrd with mkinitrd or something. how you go about it is up to you |
| 09:48.11 | robboplus | Penix i just noticed that previously working kernels had this line in grub: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 09:48.22 | robboplus | but they won't work anymore now |
| 09:48.23 | Penix | robboplus: can you boot those old kernels? |
| 09:48.25 | Ahmadinejad | it only dont work when i use it from my other PC via VNC |
| 09:48.26 | robboplus | nope |
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| 09:48.43 | robboplus | so i doomed... i can see all the filesystem but i can't boot that damned machine |
| 09:48.56 | Penix | robboplus: you can chroot in to it from a live cd |
| 09:49.05 | Penix | robboplus: and try making a new matching initrd |
| 09:49.06 | robboplus | Penix hm chroot and then initrd? |
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| 09:49.18 | robboplus | damn nice hint.. thank you, let me try that |
| 09:49.57 | robboplus | Penix and how do you go back from chroot after the job is done? |
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| 09:50.41 | Penix | robboplus: exit the chroot shell, unmount the filesystem(s) and reboot |
| 09:50.48 | Penix | robboplus: make sure you tell grub about the new initrd |
| 09:51.13 | robboplus | just playing with initrd now.. hopefully it will work, and then i will edit the grub's file |
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| 09:54.15 | robboplus | Penix doh.. bash: mkinitrd: command not found |
| 09:54.27 | robboplus | igot initramfs-tools installed though |
| 09:54.35 | Penix | robboplus: do you have a separate /usr filesystem? |
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| 09:54.43 | robboplus | nope |
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| 09:55.46 | Penix | hmm. maybe it's mkinitramfs... |
| 09:55.54 | Penix | I don't use initrd's myself |
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| 09:56.06 | robboplus | hm. |
| 09:56.40 | helpshorewall | någon svensk här ?? |
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| 09:56.55 | Penix | helpshorewall: english please |
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| 09:57.35 | robboplus | Penix do i really need this rd stuff? |
| 09:57.46 | robboplus | you said you weren't using it at all so perhaps i don't need that either? |
| 09:57.59 | Penix | robboplus: you tell me. is your filesystem or disk controller driver inside the kernel? |
| 09:58.02 | Penix | robboplus: I use custom kernels |
| 09:58.11 | Penix | robboplus: or are they modules? |
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| 09:58.25 | Knight_Lord | What's the package that contains mkinitrd for sid? yard? |
| 09:58.27 | robboplus | Penix i don't know.. it's basically a stock debian kernel with a single change i made |
| 09:58.30 | Knight_Lord | yaird? |
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| 09:58.38 | Penix | robboplus: then, yes, you'll need one |
| 09:58.42 | robboplus | hm. |
| 09:58.52 | garo | What's the url of that site where you can enter a filename in a form and it tells you which debian package you need to install to get that file ? |
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| 09:59.04 | Penix | I would've thought one would be generated automatically |
| 09:59.09 | blahdeblah | Penix: I don't know Swedish, but i'm pretty sure there wouldn't be any point in asking helpshorewall's question in English... ;-) |
| 09:59.24 | blahdeblah | (If i'm not mistaken, he was looking for Swedish speakers...) |
| 09:59.27 | helpshorewall | the shorewall seems dead so I try this ..... shorewall connected to ADSL/modem in /etc/network/interfaces there is eth0 set to my public ip ... must I then also in /etc/shorewall/masq eth0 eth1:(public adress) or is it enough with in /etc/shorewall/masq eth0 eth1 ??? |
| 09:59.28 | Penix | if you've built a proper package out of it |
| 09:59.41 | Penix | helpshorewall: #shorewall |
| 10:00.26 | Penix | robboplus: is there any sort of vmlinuz.old in your root filesystem? |
| 10:00.36 | Penix | robboplus: surely atleast one old kernel is still around |
| 10:00.58 | Penix | robboplus: or multiple kernels in your /boot? |
| 10:01.11 | Knight_Lord | Where can I find a documentation about how to build a kernel in debian? |
| 10:01.26 | robboplus | Penix i have like 6 kernels in there |
| 10:01.38 | Penix | robboplus: then you'll be able to use one of them to get back to a usable system |
| 10:01.50 | robboplus | Penix plus i just managed to create that imagerd thing in /boot but still not sure what's next |
| 10:02.04 | Penix | robboplus: did it spit out a file properly? |
| 10:02.11 | robboplus | Penix vmlinuz link in / points to the right vmlinuz though |
| 10:02.23 | robboplus | Penix the file looks good imho - quite nice size etc. |
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| 10:02.44 | Penix | robboplus: then you should just be able to tell grub to load the kernel image and corresponding initrd |
| 10:02.45 | robboplus | initrd.img-2.6.21.7 |
| 10:03.01 | robboplus | Penix hm but there is some link in / that looks bad |
| 10:03.05 | Penix | robboplus: iirc 'initrd /initrd.img-2.6.21.7' in your config or at the shell |
| 10:03.16 | Penix | grub shell that is |
| 10:03.29 | robboplus | hm that's what i'm trying to add manually to grub's conf now |
| 10:03.40 | robboplus | hopefully it will work that way |
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| 10:03.58 | robboplus | but there is one more prob: 27 2007-09-07 08:29 initrd.img.old -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 10:04.07 | Penix | robboplus: ignore it |
| 10:04.16 | robboplus | so that doesn't matter? there is nothing else in there |
| 10:04.20 | robboplus | just empty inird dir |
| 10:04.24 | robboplus | initrd* |
| 10:04.57 | robboplus | i thought i should have a proper link in there too |
| 10:04.57 | Penix | robboplus: where is your new initrd located? |
| 10:04.58 | robboplus | in /boot |
| 10:05.02 | Penix | robboplus: forget about the links and just give grub the exact location to the kernel and initrd |
| 10:05.08 | robboplus | oh hm.. |
| 10:05.14 | robboplus | ok Penix, trying now |
| 10:06.02 | xjkx | why debian |
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| 10:06.13 | Penix | xjkx: why vms |
| 10:06.21 | robboplus | Penix got something like this: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21.7 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 10:06.47 | Penix | robboplus: remove the root part... |
| 10:06.58 | xjkx | Penix: i dont know ;o |
| 10:07.04 | robboplus | Penix you sure? all my kernels had that |
| 10:07.14 | Penix | robboplus: you put it in the kernel line, not the initrd |
| 10:07.23 | Penix | robboplus: the initrd line is seperate from the kernel one |
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| 10:07.30 | robboplus | oh hm... |
| 10:07.41 | robboplus | damn damn you are right |
| 10:07.43 | robboplus | just a sec |
| 10:08.30 | SpeedyG | hey, with my debianbox I get a 'no route to host' when I try to wget something, how can I solve this / |
| 10:08.38 | robboplus | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21.7 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 10:08.38 | robboplus | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21.7 |
| 10:08.42 | robboplus | that looks good, aye? |
| 10:08.50 | Penix | robboplus: yeah, give it a try |
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| 10:08.55 | robboplus | trying in a sec |
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| 10:09.28 | SpeedyG | Penix: do you have an idea on that ? |
| 10:09.50 | Penix | SpeedyG: is your network interface configured properly? gateway set etc.? |
| 10:10.06 | SpeedyG | it is |
| 10:10.12 | SpeedyG | dns seems to be buggy |
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| 10:11.01 | harpal | SpeedyG, Just type route and then see id there any default entry? |
| 10:11.01 | Penix | SpeedyG: specified name servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:11.04 | Penix | ? |
| 10:11.15 | SpeedyG | Penix: jup, harpal there is |
| 10:11.21 | SpeedyG | and it is the correct one |
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| 10:13.05 | robboplus | Penix no banana... still same shit :( |
| 10:13.13 | SpeedyG | got two identical boxes, only thing thats different is the ip |
| 10:13.22 | SpeedyG | but on one it does work, ont he other it doesnt :( |
| 10:13.35 | Penix | robboplus: best thing to do is probably just repeat the same steps with an older kernel |
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| 10:13.57 | Penix | robboplus: eg. specify the .21-2-k7 kernel image and initrd |
| 10:14.05 | Penix | that'll atleast get you a working system hopefully |
| 10:14.08 | robboplus | hm i will try |
| 10:14.44 | robboplus | i also noticed that after REALLY long wait it gives me a busybox shell with initramfs stuff there |
| 10:15.15 | robboplus | and now i tried with older kernel and SAME crap |
| 10:15.23 | robboplus | i have it proper initrd image and all that |
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| 10:15.31 | robboplus | really confusing |
| 10:15.44 | robboplus | i gave it* |
| 10:16.20 | robboplus | so perhaps i need that damn link to initrd image in / anyway? |
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| 10:17.09 | BennieMan | when i reboot backtrack (live CD) the cd is ejected. Why ? |
| 10:17.17 | SpeedyG | Penix, harpal thanks, problem found.. guy managing the other machine had the networksettings set at NAT instead of Bridged (its a VM) |
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| 10:22.20 | robboplus | Penix after a really long wait it told me to check modules |
| 10:22.32 | robboplus | Penix i remember now that i did nothing to modules once i compiled the kernel... |
| 10:22.47 | robboplus | Penix isn't that a reason? and how can i fix that now? |
| 10:23.13 | robboplus | (not sure why the previously working kernel won't work as well though if modules are not touched) |
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| 10:24.21 | Penix | the modules are in the initrd |
| 10:24.29 | dallix_ | hello |
| 10:24.40 | robboplus | Penix so i need nothing like depmod etc.? |
| 10:24.53 | robboplus | i really am lost... and no one to help but you |
| 10:25.14 | robboplus | not too good with custom kernels.. i just followed a stupid guide that led me to this situation |
| 10:25.27 | robboplus | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 10:25.35 | dallix_ | i am having a problem geting my lapto into suspend. |
| 10:25.38 | robboplus | i did all the steps and ended up with non-bootable box :( |
| 10:25.40 | harpal | robboplus, What error you are getting? |
| 10:25.57 | robboplus | harpal it starts booting and stops at Begin: waiting for root file system |
| 10:26.16 | robboplus | and that is happening with ANY kernel that i try, even the previously working one |
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| 10:26.51 | Usiu | Hi |
| 10:27.01 | harpal | ok than you have that root=/dev/hda* options is wrong as I think |
| 10:27.01 | Usiu | I am problem with java applications |
| 10:27.03 | Usiu | they crash |
| 10:27.07 | Usiu | on debian sid |
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| 10:27.26 | robboplus | harpal well it said something about hda1.. like it doesn't exist but it was working before |
| 10:27.45 | robboplus | harpal and i didn't really change anything in there |
| 10:27.48 | dallix_ | during my installation of debian it gave me a message that said something like "your swap partion is not active. you may have problems goning into suspend" |
| 10:28.12 | robboplus | harpal it's a VM.. and it got a physical drive assigned |
| 10:28.13 | dallix_ | how can i activate my swappartion. |
| 10:28.25 | robboplus | dalias swapon? |
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| 10:28.29 | Selenolycus | Is there an easy way to install GRUB from a CD? |
| 10:28.30 | robboplus | err dallix* |
| 10:28.51 | dallix_ | i heard some one say i can not do it when my laptop is on. |
| 10:29.01 | Usiu | any help ? |
| 10:29.03 | dimir | Moin! |
| 10:29.11 | Selenolycus | v_v anyone, please? |
| 10:29.18 | robboplus | dallix_ you can |
| 10:29.25 | harpal | but because i have situation like that than I have checked that hda option changed that option than its start working |
| 10:29.45 | robboplus | harpal hm... what did you change it to? |
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| 10:29.54 | dallix_ | robbo//: swapon |
| 10:30.11 | robboplus | harpal the physical device is /dev/sdb1 but then in virtual guest it becomes hda1 |
| 10:30.22 | vaq | What network file system would be preferd over NFS if performance is the main issue? |
| 10:30.43 | troubled | robboplus! |
| 10:30.45 | dallix_ | robboplus: sorry my nick atuo finish didn't work. |
| 10:30.47 | robboplus | troubled! |
| 10:30.54 | troubled | !dance |
| 10:30.57 | robboplus | lol |
| 10:31.01 | robboplus | !beer |
| 10:31.01 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 10:31.03 | troubled | :( |
| 10:31.06 | robboplus | oops.. too early :) |
| 10:31.11 | troubled | heh |
| 10:31.40 | robboplus | so my box is all broken again lol |
| 10:31.44 | harpal | I have changed that with hda, hdb, hdc, hdd at some point I found that I have hdb I have also checked that first option (hd0,0) |
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| 10:31.47 | robboplus | this is a real disaster |
| 10:32.13 | robboplus | harpal hm... so you do recommend playing with that, perhaps i will try /dev/hdb1 then |
| 10:32.21 | dallix_ | here is the response of swapon: swapon: /dev/hda5: Device or resource busy |
| 10:32.22 | dallix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.33 | robboplus | dallix_ then it's on |
| 10:32.38 | harpal | ya and also after that try to change that hd option |
| 10:32.50 | dallix_ | well then what is the problem? |
| 10:33.02 | robboplus | harpal i will do this 'live' with grub's e command, is that what you meant? |
| 10:33.08 | troubled | robboplus: what did you do now? |
| 10:33.18 | harpal | yes |
| 10:33.28 | robboplus | troubled i have broken my VM with ventrilo server on :) |
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| 10:33.43 | troubled | :/ |
| 10:33.45 | robboplus | troubled just tried to build a custom kernel and i can't boot since |
| 10:34.12 | robboplus | troubled what is really strange is that older kernel won't boot as well |
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| 10:34.36 | troubled | robboplus: thats why you add a custom tag to it so you dont erase your original and leave yourself bootless |
| 10:34.50 | troubled | hmm, initrd related perhaps? |
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| 10:35.11 | robboplus | troubled honestly.. i debianised my custom kernel and dpkg'ed it after building |
| 10:35.19 | robboplus | but i didn't initrd before i reboot... |
| 10:35.28 | robboplus | and i'm doomed since |
| 10:36.04 | robboplus | can access the vm's filesystem but not sure what to do with it, Penix suggested chroot and creating initrd image.. i did that and still no banana |
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| 10:36.15 | harpal | robboplus, it problem with that boot options because If you have some problem while compiling kernel than you can boot ot your old kernel. here you are not boot to old kernel so you have that boot option problem |
| 10:36.40 | robboplus | harpal but tell me how on earth is it possible that something has changed? it really worked before |
| 10:36.58 | robboplus | so why would i need to play with /dev/hda1 now if it worked for me previously? |
| 10:37.13 | Moorenkopf | I've got a slocate related question. It works fine, but locate misses out the folders under /media, even for root. Is there a parameter for updatedb that I forgot about? |
| 10:37.14 | robboplus | (even though you got the point as NO kernel works anymore for some fsck reason) |
| 10:37.15 | harpal | have you edited that grub entry? |
| 10:37.23 | robboplus | harpal yes |
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| 10:39.18 | troubled | robboplus: try specify the kernel and initrd manually at grub boot yet? |
| 10:39.47 | robboplus | troubled hm that i didn't try but i double checked that the ones specified are ok |
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| 10:40.00 | robboplus | both vmlinuz path/name and initrd one is pretty ok |
| 10:40.31 | robboplus | it must be a trivial prob |
| 10:40.38 | robboplus | as most probs :) |
| 10:40.55 | robboplus | i just wanted 100hz kernel.. that's how it all started |
| 10:41.06 | troubled | if it aint broke.... |
| 10:41.14 | robboplus | it was broken :) |
| 10:41.20 | dallix_ | don't fix it. |
| 10:43.54 | dallix_ | any one have any more ideas about my swap problem? |
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| 10:44.22 | harpal | dallix_, whats problem you have with swap? |
| 10:44.23 | troubled | dallix_: is it mounted already> |
| 10:44.38 | troubled | dallix_: try mkswap /dev/hda5 first |
| 10:44.56 | dallix_ | i can;t get my computer to go into suspend. |
| 10:45.00 | robboplus | harpal.. whatever /dev/ i try it will say ALERT! /dev/sda1 doesn't exist |
| 10:45.08 | troubled | ahh, havent played with that sorry |
| 10:45.10 | robboplus | check your root = boot |
| 10:45.22 | robboplus | and check for missing modules... |
| 10:45.26 | robboplus | wtf is wrong :( |
| 10:46.13 | dallix_ | and during my installation i got a message that said my swap partin is not active. |
| 10:46.17 | from_sweden | If I change in /etc/hosts must I reboot for it to take action ?? |
| 10:46.24 | robboplus | hm just noticed that it is using udev... not sure if udev was there before |
| 10:46.24 | petemc | from_sweden: no |
| 10:46.28 | harpal | have you changed that first option (hd0,0) to (sd0,0) for sda |
| 10:46.28 | dallix_ | you may have problems going insto standby. |
| 10:46.39 | petemc | from_sweden: but /etc/hostname requires a reboot |
| 10:46.45 | robboplus | harpal not really... let me try that |
| 10:46.51 | from_sweden | ok |
| 10:48.26 | robboplus | harpal now it said error while parsing number... |
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| 10:51.43 | robboplus | looks like there is no solution but reinstalling the freaking box |
| 10:52.22 | robboplus | ...which won't change much as i will have to do custom kernel anyway and i end up with same situation lol |
| 10:52.51 | dallix_ | i asked this question in the linux channel and someone said something about my kerrnel and my APCI |
| 10:53.38 | harpal | have you used that vmware workstation. in that you can attach your vmware machine disk to other vmware machien and than take your important data fromt hat |
| 10:54.50 | robboplus | harpal... i can access those data |
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| 10:54.54 | robboplus | it's not the point |
| 10:55.04 | robboplus | the point is that my custom kernel won't work |
| 10:55.12 | robboplus | while i do need it in there |
| 10:55.30 | robboplus | so i need to understand what is broken to be able to avoid it happening again |
| 10:55.55 | harpal | thats not problem because custom kernel not works than it must boot from old one |
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| 10:56.08 | harpal | here in your case its not |
| 10:56.10 | robboplus | harpal but it won't |
| 10:56.13 | robboplus | yes |
| 10:56.20 | robboplus | and i never expected that to happen |
| 10:56.43 | robboplus | i already tried hda, sda, sdb, hdb.. no matter what i try it says that crap about wrong dev |
| 10:56.57 | robboplus | but before hda1 worked for root |
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| 10:57.43 | robboplus | but i also don't think that my guest was using udev... and now it is using one afaik |
| 10:57.48 | robboplus | so perhaps udev broke it |
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| 10:58.58 | harpal | you have some disk problem? so it wait to take root file system |
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| 10:59.23 | robboplus | hm but once again - i never changed the drive or partition |
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| 10:59.35 | robboplus | and hda1 was FINE before i did reboot for kernel change |
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| 10:59.56 | gustavo | by all |
| 11:00.02 | robboplus | cu gustavo |
| 11:00.17 | robboplus | so let's assume that it waits for root as hda1 doesn't work for it anymore... so WHAT does? |
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| 11:00.36 | gustavo | *bye all |
| 11:00.43 | Selenolycus | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.46 | harpal | Than it gives you error |
| 11:00.57 | Selenolycus | It persists in using the Debian theme. |
| 11:01.00 | Jfsc | I am looking in my /etc/init.d/sysklogd but I can't find where I can define the SYSKLOGD="" variable it - where can I find this? |
| 11:01.10 | Jfsc | I need to add some options to my sysklogd |
| 11:01.15 | robboplus | harpal but how do i find a list of valid devices then? |
| 11:01.23 | Selenolycus | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 11:01.26 | robboplus | i can check /dev but that's it i believe? |
| 11:01.28 | Selenolycus | I've already asked in #kde |
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| 11:01.35 | robboplus | and the bootable device MUST be there, right? |
| 11:01.52 | harpal | just see link http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 11:02.16 | robboplus | you don't seem to understand the problem |
| 11:02.24 | robboplus | i just said that i never changed my hw |
| 11:02.33 | robboplus | all i did was a system reboot for new kernel to pick up |
| 11:04.00 | robboplus | now i listed /dev and all hd* that exists in there is hdc.. which is virtual cd-rom |
| 11:04.07 | Jfsc | i cant find the SYSLOGD="" line |
| 11:04.13 | Jfsc | maybe im looking in the wrong place |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'stubs-32.h' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.10 | jelly | Jfsc: /etc/default/syslogd ? |
| 11:05.12 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:05.25 | Jfsc | maybe lemme check |
| 11:05.28 | dakoo | grep -r SYSLOGD /etc/ |
| 11:05.39 | harpal | Jfsc, its in /etc/default/syslogd |
| 11:05.44 | Jfsc | thank you VERY much Jelly |
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| 11:06.12 | jelly | Jfsc: also, dakoo has told you how to fish |
| 11:06.28 | Jfsc | what is fish? |
| 11:06.47 | dakoo | a thing in the sea |
| 11:06.54 | Jfsc | Oh I get you yeah I was just looking for the conf - that appears to have changed since my last run-in with debian |
| 11:06.55 | xand | !fish |
| 11:06.55 | dpkg | i guess fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
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| 11:07.51 | sf7 | im running a net-inst deb4 cd. i want to put debian on an existing partition. i dont understand the options tho: mount point, mount options, resrvd blocks, typical usage, bootable flags |
| 11:08.12 | sf7 | how do i set these? do i need to? (i want to dualboot xp and debian, xp is on the other partition) |
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| 11:12.20 | dakoo | sf7: dd if=/dev/<boot sector partition> of=/tmp/deb.boot bs=512 count=1; cp /tmp/deb.boot /mnt/floppy; boot into windows; copy deb.boot to c:\; edit c:\boot.ini; insert the debian boot sector at the bottom; look at the format for the boot.ini file |
| 11:12.32 | sf7 | i thought it was 'give a man a fish and he'll be happy for an hour. but teach him how to fish and you can get rid of him for weekends.' |
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| 11:13.47 | yacyac | hellooo all |
| 11:13.50 | yacyac | anyone around |
| 11:13.53 | sf7 | dakoo: im in the menusystem for configuring debian |
| 11:13.55 | simmerz|work | if I'm building something from source and patching it from a deb-src, how would I change the version information so its debian rev is higher than what is already in etch so it doesn't think it should try to upgrade? |
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| 11:16.00 | yacyac | hey... how is debain for a newbie |
| 11:16.00 | kryl | hi |
| 11:16.13 | kryl | what's the best module to install with opteron on debian ? |
| 11:16.22 | kryl | I have a set of 32 bits for software |
| 11:16.30 | kryl | but I can install a 64 kernel ... |
| 11:16.31 | xand | module for what? |
| 11:16.40 | sf7 | should i mount my new debian partition at the root? |
| 11:16.42 | kryl | the module for kernel image ! |
| 11:16.46 | kryl | sorryu |
| 11:17.03 | xand | that's not a module... and you'll need to reinstall using amd64 |
| 11:17.12 | kryl | ?? |
| 11:17.15 | kryl | reinstall what? |
| 11:17.18 | xand | debian |
| 11:17.21 | kryl | ah ah |
| 11:17.23 | kryl | no way |
| 11:17.32 | xand | yes. |
| 11:17.35 | yacyac | i have amd athlon 64 processor... is it recommanded to download the i386 or amd64 ?\ |
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| 11:18.07 | kryl | xand, ... can I hate your solution :) |
| 11:18.15 | dakoo | multi-arch netinstall |
| 11:18.20 | xand | kryl: you can't install 64-bit kernel if you have 32-bit debian... you have to reinstall |
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| 11:18.52 | kryl | the processor do the balance :) |
| 11:18.57 | abrotman | xand: yes you can |
| 11:19.05 | xand | pfft |
| 11:19.06 | kryl | xand, I use actually a 64 kernel ... with 32 bits system |
| 11:19.16 | xand | fine, what are you asking then? |
| 11:19.18 | yacyac | confusing |
| 11:19.21 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6-amd64 etch |
| 11:19.24 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-amd64: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 11:19.28 | kryl | because it's a source kernel |
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| 11:19.39 | kryl | and I need to install by urgence a debian kernel |
| 11:19.40 | kryl | :) |
| 11:19.50 | kryl | and I can't reinstall debian by urgence |
| 11:19.56 | muh2000 | libnss-ldap or libnss-ldapd (d at the end is diffrent) what should i use ? |
| 11:20.03 | kryl | confusing :-( |
| 11:20.12 | abrotman | muh2000: read the descriptions .. but likely client vs daemon |
| 11:20.27 | yacyac | can you install 32bit app on amd64 ? |
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| 11:20.46 | wols | xand: not true. one can run a 64bit kernel in i386 just fine |
| 11:21.05 | xand | fine, install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 11:21.19 | wols | xand: do you have a 32bit cpu? |
| 11:21.48 | xand | yes |
| 11:22.09 | muh2000 | abrotman: that is the difference: This is a fork from the original libnss-ldap package and fixes, amongst other things, problems related to hostname lookups and name lookups during booting. hmmmm |
| 11:22.43 | xand | wols: and 64-bit :P |
| 11:22.53 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 11:23.01 | wols | xand: if you ever compile a debian libc6 in 386 yourself you will see that it compiles some 64bit files too |
| 11:23.10 | yacyac | what should i do ... i got a 64bit processor .. install a debian of 32bit ? |
| 11:23.10 | wols | that one will allow a 32bit userland to access a 64bit kernel |
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| 11:23.25 | wols | of course a program can still only use 30-3.5GB max per process |
| 11:23.26 | abrotman | yacyac: up to you .. |
| 11:23.41 | wols | yacyac: desktop or server? more than 2GB RAM? |
| 11:23.59 | wols | kryl: get the k8 or amd64 kernel. your choice |
| 11:23.59 | kryl | so for bi-opteron ? can I use : kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp ? I just need a confirm ! |
| 11:24.10 | yacyac | desktop .... and i have 1gb ram |
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| 11:24.22 | wols | kryl: you can. there is no "-smp" kernel in debian anymore. they all are smp capable |
| 11:24.27 | wols | yacyac: use i386 then |
| 11:24.43 | kryl | oh why I find this package? |
| 11:24.44 | kryl | :) |
| 11:24.52 | yacyac | wols why do you recommand that |
| 11:24.58 | wols | kryl: in your repository |
| 11:25.06 | kryl | woops |
| 11:25.15 | wols | yacyac: cause I guess you like your flash and your java plugin. and you don't need 64bit yet |
| 11:25.21 | kryl | deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:25.37 | wols | yes there |
| 11:25.41 | kryl | okok |
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| 11:26.08 | wols | kryl: seems there is no k8 either :( use a k7 then |
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| 11:26.29 | kryl | it's curious look |
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| 11:26.56 | kryl | # apt-get update|apt-cache search amd64|grep k8 |
| 11:26.56 | kryl | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD64 systems - transition package |
| 11:26.56 | kryl | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD64 SMP systems - transition package |
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| 11:27.31 | abrotman | kryl: if you're on etch .. just use linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 11:27.41 | kryl | for opteron ? |
| 11:27.44 | kryl | bi opteron |
| 11:27.50 | wols | yes |
| 11:28.00 | kryl | is it optimised ? |
| 11:28.01 | ruben_ | Hello, I have a problem, I have two ip's running postfix on each one, but when I see the firewall the 'source ip' all time is the ip that is not use aliasing, how can I use an ip aliasing as source too? it is possible? |
| 11:28.02 | kryl | for server ? |
| 11:28.06 | yacyac | ... |
| 11:28.06 | wols | an opteron is simply a athlon64. nothing more nothing else, in a fancy package |
| 11:28.14 | yacyac | not really.. |
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| 11:28.18 | wols | there is no optimisation "for server" |
| 11:28.22 | wols | yacyac: so what is different? |
| 11:28.25 | kryl | ok |
| 11:28.25 | kryl | :) |
| 11:28.27 | kryl | great |
| 11:28.31 | yacyac | i am dual booting between windows and linux |
| 11:28.35 | wols | !tell kryl about enter |
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| 11:29.10 | Snapser | I try to use cp to copy directories, and I keep getting the message: "cp: omitting directory `/media/Storage/Video/Anime/Chobits/'" |
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| 11:30.03 | wols | ruben_: hard, since the gateway interface for both postfix instances is the same |
| 11:30.26 | wols | Snapser: man cp. especially the part about recursion |
| 11:30.50 | kryl | Please purge the hotplug package! < ? |
| 11:31.01 | wols | kryl: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 11:31.14 | wols | and the system was upgraded to etch from sarge? |
| 11:31.17 | kryl | I update sarge to etch |
| 11:31.26 | kryl | there is some times .. |
| 11:31.27 | wols | then do what the friendly message says |
| 11:31.32 | kryl | :) |
| 11:31.37 | wols | hotplug was replaced by udev |
| 11:31.52 | wols | are you following the updating guide? |
| 11:32.05 | wols | it's not just simply a aptitude dist-upgrade anymore |
| 11:32.18 | kryl | there is no package called hotplug ! |
| 11:32.21 | wols | if you just do that, it's a good chance you hose your system |
| 11:32.25 | Gulars | after I login now (after switching from gnome to kde) kdm doesn't start kicker or any of the other programs... what config file should I start looking for? |
| 11:32.27 | abrotman | hotplug is dead |
| 11:32.30 | wols | dpkg -l |grep hotplug |
| 11:32.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep hotplug |
| 11:32.40 | wols | kryl: dpkg -l |grep hotplug |
| 11:32.45 | ruben_ | wols: and, there is no way to fix this situation? |
| 11:32.48 | abrotman | !info hotplug etch |
| 11:32.50 | dpkg | hotplug: (Linux Hotplug Scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.20040329-26 (etch), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
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| 11:32.53 | abrotman | oh damn it! |
| 11:33.04 | kryl | lanai:/usr/src# dpkg -l|grep hotplug |
| 11:33.04 | kryl | rc hotplug 0.0.20040329-26 Linux Hotplug Scripts |
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| 11:33.13 | wols | see how there is? |
| 11:33.22 | kryl | but nothing with apt-get :) |
| 11:33.23 | kryl | funny |
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| 11:33.32 | wols | no it's not funny. it's as expected |
| 11:33.45 | wols | apt-get looks at your repository, and of course there is no hotplug anymore |
| 11:33.48 | wols | but on your system is |
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| 11:33.53 | kryl | rm /etc/init.d/hotplug :) |
| 11:33.57 | wols | no! |
| 11:34.03 | wols | !tell kryl about grounding |
| 11:34.09 | abrotman | what is wrong with this guy? |
| 11:34.25 | wols | abrotman: he's simply an idiot. nothing out of the ordinary in #debian |
| 11:34.34 | kryl | :) |
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| 11:34.53 | wols | kryl: learn to use your debian before posing as an administrator |
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| 11:35.06 | kryl | wols but it's not my fault if there is some trace of hotplug and no way to remove it ... |
| 11:35.35 | kryl | the update to etch from sarge is a bad idea that's all I retain ! |
| 11:35.48 | wols | if you were competent it would be very easy for you to remove it properly. read the stuff dpkg told you about grounding. you really need it |
| 11:36.14 | wols | all I retain is: kryl is not capable of administering a linux system. fire him and hire someone who can |
| 11:36.32 | kryl | wols, take it easy |
| 11:36.44 | wols | and you take it hard and LEARN |
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| 11:37.04 | Gulars | anyways: anyone able of telling me where to start looking to get kde working? |
| 11:37.07 | kryl | it's not the time to learn that's why I'm here |
| 11:37.22 | kryl | I'll do the rest later for the ghost hotplug files ... |
| 11:37.26 | wols | Gulars: startkde isn't starting kicker and the like as usual? |
| 11:37.37 | Gulars | wols, indeed |
| 11:37.47 | wols | good. then it's not time to try to help you either. have a good day |
| 11:38.10 | kryl | it only found /etc/init.d/hotplug has been found on this system |
| 11:38.24 | kryl | perhaps when I it removed hotplug it didn't remove this file ... |
| 11:38.41 | abrotman | Gulars: also ask #debian-kde |
| 11:38.42 | kryl | it's not the first time I see /etc/init.d/files not associated with apt-get remove ... |
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| 11:38.54 | abrotman | kryl: just leave it there .. it's not hurting anything |
| 11:38.54 | kryl | do u confirm that possibility ? |
| 11:38.54 | kryl | :) |
| 11:39.06 | wols | kryl: since you don't have a clue: apt-get NEVER removes them unless you explicitly tell it to |
| 11:39.40 | wols | !purge |
| 11:39.41 | dpkg | well, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 11:40.14 | kryl | great |
| 11:40.15 | kryl | thank |
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| 11:42.05 | robboplus | does anyone have a clue what to check/correct when box won't boot at says Begin: waiting for root file system... ? |
| 11:42.20 | robboplus | and it does the same for whatever kernel i try |
| 11:42.35 | abrotman | why did you compile a kernel ? |
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| 11:42.44 | robboplus | abrotman i needed 100hz one |
| 11:42.47 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.05 | wols | abrotman: CS server users... |
| 11:43.17 | ast001 | hello |
| 11:43.18 | robboplus | wols i forgot to create rd image in fact but just did that manually after chrooting the fs.. |
| 11:43.31 | wols | robboplus: did you use kernel-package? |
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| 11:43.47 | Pig_Pen | configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 11:43.51 | robboplus | wols i compiled a custom kernel and debianized it, then tried to dpkg -i it |
| 11:43.53 | ast001 | there is no webmin package in debian repository ? How can I install webmin ? |
| 11:44.05 | abrotman | ast001: webmin sucks .. it's been removed |
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| 11:44.15 | wols | robboplus: I asked you a specific question. answer it please |
| 11:44.16 | robboplus | wols but the prob is that now even a previously working kernel won't boot anymore and i can't understand wtf is wrong |
| 11:44.20 | ast001 | is there any better solution |
| 11:44.23 | abrotman | vi |
| 11:44.36 | robboplus | wols yes i did |
| 11:44.39 | wols | ast001: we don't want your box to get rooted so debian has no webmin and doesn't support it |
| 11:44.56 | wols | robboplus: what was your make-kpkg line? |
| 11:45.00 | robboplus | make-kpkg clean |
| 11:45.03 | ast001 | ok thanks |
| 11:45.24 | robboplus | wols and then make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 11:45.47 | rumpl | abrotman, what would you recommend as a replacement for webmin? |
| 11:45.51 | wols | robboplus: there is a --initrd parameter. use that and dpkg -i the result |
| 11:46.07 | robboplus | wols i can't boot the box anymore |
| 11:46.08 | wols | rumpl: he already said: vi. but he forgot sshd |
| 11:46.17 | robboplus | wols can access the files but that's all i can do |
| 11:46.24 | wols | rumpl: rescue CDs, live CDs. they are wonderful things |
| 11:46.42 | rumpl | wols, and if you're working on a distant machine? |
| 11:46.43 | abrotman | rumpl: vi |
| 11:46.49 | wols | boot from knoppix, chroot to it like you would chroot to install grub, then dpkg -i the kernel |
| 11:46.52 | ast001 | is situation the same with ipcop ? |
| 11:47.21 | robboplus | wols but i already did dpkg -i that kernel before reboot |
| 11:47.26 | wols | arturaz: not the same. ipcop doesn't expose root access over the webserver |
| 11:47.44 | wols | robboplus: that kernel was not made for initrd at all. you fucked up your kernel compile |
| 11:47.51 | robboplus | wols and for now i also created the inird image manually and updated the grub config |
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| 11:48.17 | wols | robboplus: I told you what you could do, if you don't want to, your choice but don't argue with me about it |
| 11:48.22 | robboplus | wols not sure if i did because i loaded up stock debian's conf and just changed a single setting (hz) |
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| 11:48.39 | robboplus | wols it's a VM... can't really do it as you say |
| 11:48.53 | wols | in a VM it's dead eays to do |
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| 11:49.02 | wols | if you are unable: make a new VM. have a nice day |
| 11:49.28 | T-Start | Hi. Short quick urgent question. Does debian have something like a textbrowser. Lynx or something ? |
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| 11:49.33 | robboplus | wols i will but i also don't want to end up with another situation like this thus i'm asking questions to understand what went wrong |
| 11:49.59 | wols | T-Start: it has tons. including lynx, links, links2, elinks, that emacs thing, w3m... need more? |
| 11:50.27 | robboplus | wols as i said - why wouldn't older kernel work now? |
| 11:50.34 | robboplus | the one that was nicely working before |
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| 11:50.50 | wols | you probably fucked up existing initrds on disk. I doN't know, I'm not on your box |
| 11:50.52 | robboplus | it has its own vmlinuz file and own initrd one |
| 11:51.05 | robboplus | wols i didn't fuck up anything |
| 11:51.15 | robboplus | it just won't boot ANY kernel and i got 6 of them |
| 11:51.27 | robboplus | and i didn't even use mkinitrd before i reboot that machine |
| 11:51.32 | robboplus | so how would i fuck it up? |
| 11:51.36 | wols | good. then boot your VM and we're all happy. you can't? but before you meddled it worked? oops! |
| 11:51.44 | abrotman | robboplus: did you compile the new kernel with initrd? |
| 11:51.49 | robboplus | wols you are being arogant now. |
| 11:51.52 | wols | abrotman: no he did not |
| 11:52.18 | robboplus | abrotman hm what i did exactly was to load stock kernel's config |
| 11:52.27 | abrotman | don't make me ask again :) |
| 11:52.35 | robboplus | and i just changed hz in there, then compiled it.. so yes, i compiled for initrd for sure then |
| 11:52.41 | wols | robboplus: you are stubborn. if something worked and after I rummage around it doesn't anymore, it stands to reason I fucked up. but you might be a god and that can't be true of course. me, I'm just a mortal who always fucks things up |
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| 11:52.50 | abrotman | robboplus: did you use make-kpkg or just make ? |
| 11:52.53 | wols | robboplus: you lie |
| 11:53.05 | wols | abrotman: read up. he used make-kpkg without --initrd |
| 11:53.08 | robboplus | abrotman make-kpkg |
| 11:53.17 | abrotman | robboplus: and oyu used the --initrd option ? |
| 11:53.19 | abrotman | you |
| 11:53.21 | abrotman | !oyu |
| 11:53.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oyu is because abrotman can't type "you" to save his life |
| 11:53.22 | robboplus | abrotman and i was supposed to mkinitrd after but i forgot |
| 11:53.33 | abrotman | robboplus: and oyu used the --initrd option ? |
| 11:53.36 | wols | robboplus: you're not supposed to |
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| 11:53.46 | robboplus | abrotman i didn't... i followed a guide that never mentioned it |
| 11:53.53 | wols | < robboplus> wols and then make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 11:53.56 | robboplus | abrotman it said to use mkinitrd after though |
| 11:54.07 | robboplus | let me bring up the url: |
| 11:54.11 | abrotman | it was wrong .. |
| 11:54.16 | robboplus | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 11:54.27 | wols | abrotman: I long ago told him what to do but he doesn't want to |
| 11:54.32 | robboplus | so it's not me, it's the guide that is wrong and wols is biting me for nothing |
| 11:54.42 | abrotman | so read the damn documentation for make-kpkg |
| 11:54.43 | abrotman | !kp |
| 11:54.44 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 11:54.46 | CoolCold | hello everyone |
| 11:54.56 | robboplus | wols you told me to use livecd and i told you that i can't as that's a remote VM, can you read? |
| 11:55.08 | abrotman | CoolCold: how are you this morning? |
| 11:55.14 | robboplus | wols i also said that i can just chroot that filesystem on host but you ignored that |
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| 11:55.25 | abrotman | well .. morning here |
| 11:55.26 | wols | < wols> robboplus: there is a --initrd parameter. use that and dpkg -i the result |
| 11:55.36 | CoolCold | http://pastebin.org/3396 |
| 11:55.43 | asdx | hi, does debian has a script for re-generate the /boot/grub/menu.lst config file? |
| 11:55.52 | CoolCold | i see a lot of cpu in "soft irq", but what this mean? |
| 11:55.55 | robboplus | wols you suggest chrooting again and making from scratch with --initrd, is this what you mean? |
| 11:56.05 | wols | asdx: update-grub |
| 11:56.12 | asdx | wols: cool thanks |
| 11:56.13 | wols | robboplus: if you have access to the filesystem you can chroot |
| 11:56.23 | CoolCold | abrotman: not morning, but fine, 10x |
| 11:56.24 | robboplus | wols i do, that VM is using a physical drive |
| 11:56.38 | wols | robboplus: you can compile the kernel on any debian system. doesn't need to be the one that's hosed |
| 11:56.51 | wols | you can only dpkg -i it from the broken debian however |
| 11:57.03 | robboplus | wols and can i just copy a working kernel from host to guest? |
| 11:57.09 | wols | no you cannot |
| 11:57.17 | wols | you can copy the .deb. read what I say |
| 11:57.26 | robboplus | wols so can i grab any .deb and dkpg it? |
| 11:57.28 | yang | I was looking for a good manual for "lenny raid crypto installation" can you recommend any? |
| 11:57.29 | wols | the VM is in your physical reach on a different disk? |
| 11:57.37 | wols | yes you can |
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| 11:57.59 | robboplus | wols i'm just looking for a quick and dirty method of booting it with ANY kernel |
| 11:58.01 | wols | yang: etch installed does it automatically from what I remember |
| 11:58.10 | robboplus | wols yes it is |
| 11:58.16 | wols | robboplus: until you tell us what you use, we cannot help you |
| 11:58.33 | robboplus | wols it is using /dev/sdb2 - that's where root file system for it exists |
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| 11:59.46 | robboplus | wols so what i'm doing now is: i will mount that fs, chroot it on host and then i will grab a stock debian kernel and dpkg -i it |
| 11:59.47 | wols | robboplus: if you have to ask you for every little specific thing: help yourself |
| 11:59.47 | wols | !tell robboplus about smart questions |
| 11:59.48 | wols | since dpkg is on strke it seems: google for "smart questions" |
| 11:59.55 | yang | wols: yeah I passed the install with a normal crypto/lvm 1 drive installation |
| 12:00.05 | yang | wols: now i need to setup raid etc. |
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| 12:03.08 | robboplus | can i download a .deb from rep using apt-get without installing it? |
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| 12:03.32 | robboplus | n/m got it :) |
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| 12:04.02 | wols | yang: what kind of raid? |
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| 12:06.49 | Knight_Lord | How can I make modprobe aware of the new modules just installed in /lib/modules? |
| 12:07.17 | Knight_Lord | Do I have to run depmod? |
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| 12:07.54 | Knight_Lord | I'm guessing that's a yes |
| 12:08.01 | wols | Knight_Lord: depmod -a |
| 12:08.26 | Knight_Lord | thanks |
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| 12:16.09 | robboplus | wols i did what you told me and i'm still getting same prob: Begin: waiting for root file system |
| 12:16.30 | robboplus | i chrooted to vm's fs and dpkg'ed a stock 2.6.18 .deb in there |
| 12:16.34 | wols | did dpkg -i create a initrd? |
| 12:16.50 | yang | wols: raid 1 - 2 drives (one copy of the primary drive) |
| 12:16.57 | wols | I'd simply build a kernel without a initrd. e.g. one that doesn't need one |
| 12:16.59 | robboplus | yes it did, it also created a link in / |
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| 12:17.21 | wols | less shit being around -> less probably causes for errors |
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| 12:20.00 | robboplus | ok i had enough of this shit... wiping the damned vm now |
| 12:20.54 | robboplus | i really HATE giving up though |
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| 12:24.55 | robboplus | lol |
| 12:25.02 | robboplus | fixed. |
| 12:25.19 | robboplus | rule of a thumb... never give up :) |
| 12:26.10 | robboplus | many thanks wols and abrotman for your advices.. it wasn't exactly it but it led to a solution |
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| 12:26.29 | robboplus | at least now i understand a bit more to save me from this crap in the future |
| 12:26.52 | wols | robboplus: and what was it? |
| 12:27.04 | robboplus | hm let me explain: |
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| 12:27.19 | robboplus | first i noticed that vmlinuz link was yet boken in / so i correct it |
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| 12:27.24 | Wyzard | yang: You can set up RAID from within the installer, just like crypto and LVM |
| 12:27.25 | robboplus | corrected* |
| 12:27.36 | robboplus | but then it didn't boot again... it dropped me to the shell |
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| 12:27.46 | yang | Wyzard: I passed over the installer |
| 12:27.47 | robboplus | with suggestion that my device is renamed to sda... |
| 12:27.54 | yang | Wyzard: I allready have a working system |
| 12:28.04 | Wyzard | yang: but etch's installer has a bug that prevents using LVM on top of encrypted RAID... dunno if that's been fixed in later versions of the installer |
| 12:28.05 | househead | hi there, is there any simple way to store as a variable the PID of a command upon execution? |
| 12:28.15 | robboplus | i DONT know why it said so... it never did before. and i also tried sda before too... now it did the trick for some MEAN reason |
| 12:28.26 | Wyzard | yang: You have a system with a single working drive, and you want to turn it into a RAID? |
| 12:28.32 | dondelelcaro | househead: depends on where you're executing a command from |
| 12:28.39 | yang | Wyzard: yes bug - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto |
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| 12:29.15 | yang | Wyzard: i have one operative drive, and i have beside that one inactive drive, which i would like to use as raid |
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| 12:29.26 | robboplus | wols do you know why exactly my device had changed? |
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| 12:29.59 | Wyzard | yang: The funny thing is, that worked with one of the beta versions of the installer -- the bug didn't appear until later in etch's release preparations |
| 12:30.13 | househead | dondelelcaro: from within a bash script. Want to start ssh forked as a controlmaster and kill the master at the end of the session. I'd like the PID of the controlmaster ssh process to be stored in a varial upon execution such that I can kill $SSH_PID at the end of the script running |
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| 12:31.41 | Joran | hi all, newcomer to apt (well, relatively), how can I find out what package a particular executable is in? i.e. I have "watch", how do I find out what package "watch" came in 'cos it ain't called "watch" :-) |
| 12:32.09 | rumpl | Joran, apt-file |
| 12:32.12 | wols | !tell Joran about search |
| 12:32.20 | Joran | thanks rumpl |
| 12:32.34 | sine | it disturbs me that i dont know how the mbr or the swaps work |
| 12:32.42 | sine | im gonna wikipedia it |
| 12:32.50 | dondelelcaro | househead: so jobs -p ssh; or whatever, assuming you've ssh &, and ssh hasn't daemonized or somethign else. |
| 12:32.52 | Wyzard | yang: RAID stores its persistent superblock at the end of the underlying block device, I think, so it *should* be possible to use pvresize to shrink the PV a bit, then create the RAID array (making sure the disk that has the data is the one it syncs *from*, not *to*, and then just use the LVM as if it'd been on the RAID array all along |
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| 12:33.47 | Joran | ah, rumpl, as it's an installed app, I don't need apt-file :-) |
| 12:33.59 | Wyzard | yang: but the safer way would be to create a 1-disk raid1 array on the "empty" disk, set up the encryption and LVM on it, transfer the data over, and then once the system's running properly from just that other disk, extend the RAID back to the first one |
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| 12:34.27 | Joran | for those who are logging/would like to know the answer : dpkg -S `which watch` was what I needed :-) |
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| 12:34.42 | yang | Wyzard: what I need is a manual on how to do all that :/ |
| 12:34.43 | househead | dondelelcaro: using the ssh -f option which forks the process. will jobs -p still work? *tries in vain* |
| 12:35.23 | Joran | yang, I did follow a howto once on exactly that.... lemme see if I can find it.... |
| 12:35.41 | Wyzard | yang: Well, "man mdadm" will help with the options for creating the RAID |
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| 12:35.53 | dondelelcaro | househead: dunno then; someone in #bash probably would know better. |
| 12:36.04 | Wyzard | yang: For doing encryption on it, you'd use "cryptsetup luksFormat" and "cryptsetup luksOpen" on the new RAID device |
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| 12:36.20 | househead | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help, will try there |
| 12:36.27 | Wyzard | yang: then pvcreate on the new crypto device (it's in /dev/mapper), then vgcreate, etc. |
| 12:36.59 | Joran | yang : http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Convert_a_devfs_single_drive_system_to_RAID |
| 12:37.20 | Joran | based on fc4 but should give you a fair amount of an idea :-) |
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| 12:39.26 | Wyzard | yang: Actually, rather than creating a new volume group on your encrypted 1-disk RAID, you could add it to your existing LVM volume group and pvmove your logical volumes over |
| 12:39.46 | Wyzard | yang: That'd have the advantage of letting you do the whole process without rebooting or having to unmount anything :-) |
| 12:40.28 | lukas___ | Hi, I have Acer Travelmate 4220 notebook, with intel ipw wireless LAN. The module loads fine and producess successfull message in dmesg, but I can not see the network interface. Could anyone help? |
| 12:41.08 | Wyzard | lukas___: Which Intel wireless controller is that? |
| 12:41.48 | Wyzard | lukas___: (More specifically, what driver module are you using?) |
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| 12:41.59 | Joran | I may be wrong, bud doesn't the intel one require a firmware file cut from the windows driver? |
| 12:42.13 | Joran | but* |
| 12:42.21 | Wyzard | No, the firmware file can be downloaded from the driver's website |
| 12:42.31 | Wyzard | if it's a 2100 or 2200 |
| 12:42.41 | Wyzard | If it's a 3945, there's a package containing the firmware (and the driver too) |
| 12:43.07 | Joran | ah, you see I'm not quite debified yet.... lol |
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| 12:43.34 | Joran | I just remember having to build a fw-cutter tool on one of the other distros |
| 12:43.42 | Wyzard | You're thinking of Broadcom |
| 12:43.46 | Wyzard | bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 12:43.50 | Joran | ah so I am |
| 12:44.24 | robboplus | do i still need to use mkinitrd after compiling a custom kernel with make-kpkg --initrd? |
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| 12:44.45 | Wyzard | robboplus: No, the package will do that automatically when you install it |
| 12:44.59 | robboplus | Wyzard thank you |
| 12:45.15 | robboplus | and i think that guy who wrote this guide should die: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
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| 12:45.55 | robboplus | he never mentioned --initrd in his guide which leads to severe probs |
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| 12:46.42 | Wyzard | robboplus: Note, that guide is for woody |
| 12:46.44 | lukas___ | Wyzard: ipw3945 |
| 12:47.04 | Wyzard | lukas___: Where did you get the driver from? |
| 12:47.27 | robboplus | Wyzard in fact that guide is really old... should be removed or updated at least |
| 12:47.37 | lukas___ | Wyzard: I think it was debian -source package built with m-a |
| 12:47.51 | Wyzard | lukas___: OK, good |
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| 12:48.11 | Wyzard | lukas___: You have the module, but for the module to work, you also need to install firmware-ipw3945 and ipw3945d |
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| 12:49.04 | lukas___ | damn, I had firmware, but not ..d |
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| 12:49.29 | Joran | anyone know if you can tell the kernel to delay the resync of the md array it's syncing and do the other one which is delayed instead? |
| 12:50.18 | lukas___ | Wyzard: great, thanks very much, i spent VERY much time making this work. You were very useful. |
| 12:50.39 | Joran | I'd rather have the 500mb array synced first than waiting for the 2.2tb array to sync *yawn* |
| 12:50.52 | Wyzard | lukas___: You're welcome |
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| 12:51.13 | lukas___ | btw, is there any good way how to let user configure wifi in gnome? |
| 12:51.25 | Wyzard | lukas___: NetworkManager |
| 12:51.26 | Joran | networkmanager |
| 12:51.30 | Joran | it's fab |
| 12:51.47 | Joran | only the encrypted storage of the key is annoying |
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| 12:52.55 | lukas___ | fab? |
| 12:53.20 | Joran | great |
| 12:53.27 | Wyzard | Joran: You might be interested in libpam-keyring |
| 12:53.28 | Joran | sorry, coloquialism :-) |
| 12:53.43 | Wyzard | Joran: avoids the need to type your keyring passphrase after logging in |
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| 12:53.56 | Wyzard | Joran: (if it's the same as your login passphrase) |
| 12:54.36 | Joran | Wyzard: didn't work for me, but I won't go into it because I use it in mint, and it's not fair to try and get mint support (which is ubuntu-based) in here |
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| 12:54.48 | Joran | and it doesn't bother me /that/ much :-) |
| 12:54.56 | Wyzard | Joran: I haven't heard of mint, but it's been working fine for me in Debian |
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| 12:55.50 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I 'format' the output of ps aux so that it can be converted to a table? |
| 12:56.00 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: why? |
| 12:56.12 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: I need to put an output of that list in a report |
| 12:56.41 | lupine_screen | it's already formatted |
| 12:56.45 | wols | Joran: which mint are you talking about? the webserver stats program (closed source)? |
| 12:56.50 | lupine_screen | tab-seperated IIRC |
| 12:57.02 | SpeedyG | lupine_screen: space-seperated unfortunately |
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| 12:57.09 | SpeedyG | otherwise that crappy M$-word would take it into a table |
| 12:57.29 | Wyzard | wols: http://linuxmint.com/ apparently |
| 12:57.33 | Joran | wols nah, the son-of-ubuntu mint distro :-) |
| 12:57.33 | lupine_screen | hmm. Quick shell script involving a for loop and cut? |
| 12:57.39 | Joran | it's very smooth |
| 12:58.00 | Knight_Lord | Has anyone used lustre with debian? |
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| 12:58.28 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 12:58.35 | JohnFlux | could someone run lsb_release -a for me please |
| 12:58.39 | JohnFlux | and paste the result |
| 12:58.54 | Joran | it has some of the annoyances of the ubuntu differences (module stuff mainly) but otherwise very neat |
| 12:59.10 | SpeedyG | JohnFlux: if i'd know what it is, I could run it maybe |
| 12:59.18 | SpeedyG | but it doesnt appear to be a default debian app |
| 12:59.24 | JohnFlux | SpeedyG: just reports what distro you have |
| 12:59.33 | lupine_screen | it's part of the LSB |
| 12:59.34 | JohnFlux | It's part of the LSB |
| 12:59.37 | lupine_screen | snap |
| 12:59.41 | JohnFlux | so debian should have it, no? |
| 12:59.47 | JohnFlux | or is debian not LSB compliant yet? |
| 12:59.51 | lupine_screen | only if you've installed the LSB packages |
| 12:59.56 | JohnFlux | hmm that sucks |
| 12:59.59 | wols | Joran: it is, and it has it |
| 13:00.12 | JohnFlux | SpeedyG: are you running testing? |
| 13:00.29 | JohnFlux | will the debian installer install it by default? |
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| 13:00.42 | Wyzard | From the description of the LSB package: "The intent of this package is to provide a best current practice way of installing and running LSB packages on Debian GNU/Linux. Its presence does not imply that Debian fully complies with the Linux Standard Base, and should not be construed as a statement that Debian is LSB-compliant." |
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| 13:01.57 | lambda | hi |
| 13:02.06 | dondelelcaro | JohnFlux: no, it won't; if you care about it, install it |
| 13:02.07 | lambda | I can't play sound with normal user |
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| 13:02.15 | lambda | (it works with root) |
| 13:02.18 | Joran | wols, yeah, I know, I tried it, but I think perhaps it's because I haven't removed the keyring since configuring libpam 'cos everything is set up as the ubuntu and mint forum posts suggest |
| 13:02.27 | Wyzard | lambda: Run "groups" from a shell -- do you see "audio" in the output? |
| 13:02.31 | lambda | i tryed to `addgroup myuser audio` |
| 13:02.34 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: hmm. the whole point of the LSB is that scripts etc are supposed to be able to rely on it being installed |
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| 13:02.54 | dondelelcaro | JohnFlux: those scripts that rely on it Depend: on it. |
| 13:02.55 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: In my case I want to check what distro I'm on by running lsb_release |
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| 13:03.08 | Wyzard | lambda: After doing that, you have to log out and back in again for it to take effect |
| 13:03.11 | lambda | Wyzard: yes i see audio group |
| 13:03.17 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: it's for a script that isn't in debian :) |
| 13:03.20 | Wyzard | hmm, dunno then |
| 13:03.25 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: in particular, it's a script for compiling KDE |
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| 13:03.33 | Joran | JohnFlux: so when making your deb, make it depend on lsb ;-) |
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| 13:03.40 | JohnFlux | :) |
| 13:03.46 | lambda | ok THX a lot |
| 13:03.52 | dbmood1 | tell can some one help me with mt-daap and bonjour |
| 13:03.52 | dondelelcaro | JohnFlux: well, there's a simple solution: no one who uses Debian should be using something besides the debian packages to compile KDE. |
| 13:03.53 | Airbottle | is there a way to install pidgin instead of gaim in the debian etch? |
| 13:04.07 | Airbottle | i tried it with backports, but there is no pidgin in |
| 13:04.08 | Wyzard | Airbottle: backports.org might have a pidgin package |
| 13:04.12 | Wyzard | ah |
| 13:04.23 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: I'll pass that on to the kde developers :P |
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| 13:04.51 | wols | !pidgin |
| 13:04.51 | dpkg | i guess pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 13:05.06 | JohnFlux | anyway, anyone have lsb_release installed and can tell me the result of lsb_release -a? :) |
| 13:05.16 | dondelelcaro | JohnFlux: what in particular do you want to know? |
| 13:05.21 | stew | JohnFlux: here it is on my testing system: http://paste.debian.net/38067 |
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| 13:05.27 | JohnFlux | stew: thank you! |
| 13:05.31 | Optic | MOOOO |
| 13:05.31 | dbmood1 | so guys i have this problem with bonjour and mt-daap when bonjour is up it (firefly) doesn't work |
| 13:05.41 | stew | JohnFlux: "testing" being "lenny" currently |
| 13:05.42 | dbmood1 | when i restart the mt-daap thigny it works |
| 13:05.48 | Airbottle | thank you wols! |
| 13:05.56 | JohnFlux | stew: why does it say "sid" ? |
| 13:06.04 | dondelelcaro | JohnFlux: because that's the codename of the release |
| 13:06.12 | JohnFlux | so what's "lenny" ? |
| 13:06.15 | stew | JohnFlux: becuase packages don't change at all when they move from unstable to testing |
| 13:06.19 | dondelelcaro | JohnFlux: the codename of the testing release |
| 13:06.27 | stew | JohnFlux: lenny is the codename of the current testing release, which is what I'm running |
| 13:06.41 | stew | # |
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| 13:06.55 | JohnFlux | okay thanks :) |
| 13:07.01 | dondelelcaro | the lsb package won't change to say lenny until the basefiles packages changes to say lenny. |
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| 13:08.01 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: makes sense :) |
| 13:08.14 | JohnFlux | it would be really great if debian installs lsb_release by default |
| 13:08.25 | JohnFlux | so if anyone has any say in such things, please push for it :) |
| 13:08.38 | JohnFlux | it's the only sensible way to detect the distro |
| 13:08.44 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to; people who need lsb compliance can always install it |
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| 13:09.17 | dondelelcaro | in the cases where lsb_release doesn't exist, you can just suggest that they install the lsb package if dpkg exists or assume that it's lsb compliant, or whatever. |
| 13:09.19 | wols | dondelelcaro: what other distro independent way is there to detect what distro one is on? |
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| 13:09.36 | dondelelcaro | wols: that's the way, but it shouldn't be installed by default. |
| 13:09.45 | Wyzard | dondek: people who need LSB compliance but don't know much about the LSB or how to make Debian LSB-compliant, maybe |
| 13:09.45 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: why shouldn't it be installed by default? |
| 13:09.50 | JohnFlux | dondelelcaro: it's a tiny tiny script |
| 13:09.51 | Wyzard | oops, dondelelcaro ^^^ |
| 13:09.52 | wols | I mean for "Linux" there is always uname -o and that is installed by default too |
| 13:10.00 | stew | JohnFlux: installing software using the packaging system is the sensible way, if some software the user is are wanting to use wants lsb compliance, that software should depend on lsb-release |
| 13:10.10 | dondelelcaro | JohnFlux: because it's a tiny little script that's written in python |
| 13:10.11 | dbmood1 | ah no one will help me |
| 13:10.13 | wols | dondelelcaro: why shouldn't it? isn't it a good idea to be able to know what distro? |
| 13:10.13 | dbmood1 | great |
| 13:10.18 | JohnFlux | stew: and for people installing from svn ? |
| 13:10.25 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: or people who don't realize the script they've received depends on LSB |
| 13:10.30 | dbmood1 | i will try the ubuntu channel might get more support there |
| 13:10.40 | stew | JohnFlux: they should know how to "aptitude install lsb-release" themselves |
| 13:10.47 | Wyzard | !tell dbmood1 about doesn't work |
| 13:11.03 | dbmood1 | sure |
| 13:11.03 | Wyzard | dbmood1: and if you're running Ubuntu, asking here is inappropriate anyway |
| 13:11.06 | dbmood1 | well doesn't work meants |
| 13:11.06 | JohnFlux | as far as I can tell, so far debian is the only distro that doesn't install it by default |
| 13:11.13 | dondelelcaro | wols: because increasing the size of the system that is always installed is not good. |
| 13:11.14 | JohnFlux | out of the big names |
| 13:11.36 | JohnFlux | It's amazing that this is the only channel that opposes having such a tiny, small useful script installed by default |
| 13:11.37 | dondelelcaro | wols: it does get installed if you don't select any options, but it should not ever be Essential: yes or similar. |
| 13:11.39 | stew | we don't want python to be required in the base system |
| 13:11.55 | stew | JohnFlux: its not the script, per se, its python |
| 13:11.59 | dbmood1 | debian ETCH - is using mt-daap to share my media, the firefly service is up, but when bonjour is running at the same time it fails to show up on my other comps and my own, ok ---> restarting the mt-daap thingy makes it work and disables bonjour. |
| 13:12.05 | Joran | JohnFlux: get the lsb team to rewrite it in sh |
| 13:12.09 | dbmood1 | happy |
| 13:12.15 | JohnFlux | Joran: sounds reasonable :) |
| 13:12.29 | JohnFlux | I'll suggest - thanks |
| 13:12.30 | gener1c | eon flux |
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| 13:12.45 | dondelelcaro | (at such a time that someone rewrites it in sh, it probably could even be moved to basefiles or similar |
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| 13:13.50 | Joran | even if they wrote it in perl it would stand more chance - bash even more, but sh best |
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| 13:15.12 | Wyzard | dbmood1: I've never used mt-daap so I don't know anything about configuring it, but the "avahi-discover" package can be useful for seeing exactly what Bonjour services are being published on the network |
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| 13:15.25 | danielito | anyone working with dia to design class diagrams in here? |
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| 13:15.33 | dbmood1 | i tried that actually i will do it again |
| 13:15.52 | masus | hi all |
| 13:15.53 | dbmood1 | not installed .. wtf |
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| 13:17.33 | dbmood1 | drat avahi-discover needs gui ? |
| 13:17.44 | dbmood1 | i mean x |
| 13:17.47 | dbmood1 | brb |
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| 13:18.00 | gregshallard | Hey, I just installed a fresh copy to Etch on a computer on my local network, Its a skeleton install, with no Desktop Environment ect ect, What would be the best way to connect to it remotely via another box on the network? |
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| 13:18.15 | gregshallard | And what would be the the best apps to use. |
| 13:18.31 | lupine_screen | gregshallard: I would use ssh + sshfs or sftp |
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| 13:18.48 | Wyzard | dbmood1: The "mdns-scan" package looks like a non-GUI alternative to avahi-discover, though I've never used it |
| 13:18.57 | gregshallard | So that will give me a CLI to the remote box? |
| 13:19.02 | lupine_screen | yes, ssh will |
| 13:19.39 | lupine_screen | (you install openssh-server on the remote box, and then ssh <remote box> to connect to it) |
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| 13:20.13 | gregshallard | thats lupine_screen |
| 13:20.18 | gregshallard | Thanks** |
| 13:20.18 | Joran | damnit, how do I get a decent TERM= from the rescue shell? |
| 13:20.20 | dbmood1 | mmm well it shows ip4 things |
| 13:20.33 | Joran | I need to run grub and it's a pain about TERM settings |
| 13:20.45 | dbmood1 | i think i read that i need ip6 for itunes - but that doesn't makes sense because when i restart the firefly server - bonjour is disabled so this doesn't ... mean much... |
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| 13:21.03 | lupine_screen | you don't need ip6 for iTunes |
| 13:21.05 | Wyzard | dbmood1: I don't see why you'd need IPv6 for DAAP to work |
| 13:21.08 | lupine_screen | that would be silly |
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| 13:23.21 | dbmood1 | i said it was silly lol |
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| 13:23.44 | dbmood1 | ok running it again |
| 13:23.54 | gregshallard | lupine_screen, is it then possible to login as root? |
| 13:24.10 | lupine_screen | gregshallard: yep |
| 13:24.11 | dbmood1 | no firefly is not showing up |
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| 13:24.18 | dbmood1 | in mdns-scan |
| 13:24.30 | dbmood1 | wait it is |
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| 13:24.40 | dbmood1 | + iTunes_Ctrl_406EE35DFD87B3E9._dacp._tcp.local |
| 13:24.42 | gregshallard | when I connect it just asks for the password and not for the user name. |
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| 13:26.00 | gregshallard | lupine_screen, how? |
| 13:26.01 | dbmood1 | ok there |
| 13:26.06 | dbmood1 | i stopped it and now it published |
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| 13:26.12 | dbmood1 | so i need to configure avahi right ? |
| 13:26.19 | lupine_screen | gregshallard: ssh --help |
| 13:26.32 | lupine_screen | I believe you'd ssh -l root <machine> or ssh root@machine |
| 13:26.55 | dbmood1 | wait ... this is so stupid i stopped avahi from booting ... |
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| 13:27.08 | gregshallard | thanks |
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| 13:27.35 | gregshallard | I've gotta get ust to reading man and help files, stupid windows background! |
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| 13:29.37 | robboplus | ok... i compiled another custom kernel this time using --initrd and again i can't boot... Begin: Waiting for root file system... WTF is wrong? |
| 13:29.50 | xeos | Hi, I have a trouble building a deb package. I type dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, but after the package's data.tar.gz only has package's files, not the installed files by Makefile. |
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| 13:30.16 | FastPutty | hi guys, anyone know why i run on bridge mode with openvpn, my server do not get a tap0 but my client does have one. is that normal? |
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| 13:31.03 | xeos | I have watched on debian it create a directory emacs/ where it put the installed files, but it doesn't include in deb |
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| 13:31.25 | dbmood1 | well it is avahi conflicting with it ... sucks |
| 13:31.58 | robboplus | can someone please recommend a REALLY good guide on compiling custom debian kernel? |
| 13:32.03 | xeos | it is the first deb package I try build, I hope anyone can help us a few, thanks in advance ^^ |
| 13:32.06 | robboplus | the one that will not break my box for the 3rd time |
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| 13:32.24 | robboplus | xeos looks like that we are in the same boat |
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| 13:32.48 | Wyzard | robboplus: I've never had problems with just using make-kpkg and --initrd |
| 13:33.04 | robboplus | oh it makes just fine.. it won't boot though |
| 13:33.12 | Wyzard | robboplus: Maybe you left out the necessary modules for your disk controller or filesystem or whatever? |
| 13:33.16 | shamrock | What version of firefox do people use on amd64 debian lenny? |
| 13:33.25 | stew | xeos: you should be telling the makefile to install files to debian/tmp/ |
| 13:33.48 | robboplus | Wyzard hm.. |
| 13:33.51 | stew | xeos: and you'll probably get better suport for this type of thing in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 13:34.01 | Wyzard | shamrock: The version in the "iceweasel" package, presumably |
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| 13:34.15 | stew | shamrock: http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 13:34.23 | xeos | thanks stew |
| 13:34.27 | robboplus | Wyzard in fact there is a little diff when i try to boot this custom thing up.. it's about root device.. for the working kernel it is /dev/sda1.. while it won't work for custom kernel.. basically no device is detected |
| 13:34.28 | shamrock | what is the difference between iceweasel and firefox? I can not get flash working |
| 13:34.44 | Wyzard | shamrock: Just a change of name for trademark reasons... it's the same software |
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| 13:34.48 | Fish-Face | Hi, my CD drive isn't being detected when it's connected through a SATA bridge chip. |
| 13:34.51 | stew | shamrock: the name, and some security patches and some bugfixes |
| 13:34.54 | Fish-Face | dmesg says the SATA link is up |
| 13:35.04 | Fish-Face | but no device appears in /dev |
| 13:35.06 | shamrock | Fish-Face: asus motherboard? |
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| 13:35.11 | robboplus | Wyzard is it possible to grab the config file of a debian stock kernel that i install? |
| 13:35.11 | Fish-Face | shamrock, MSI |
| 13:35.21 | shamrock | I had the same. Is it an IDE DVD drive? |
| 13:35.22 | robboplus | Wyzard so i can load it up in make menuconfig |
| 13:35.23 | Wyzard | robboplus: yes, it goes in /boot alongside vmlinuz |
| 13:35.30 | robboplus | Wyzard hm thank you - checking |
| 13:35.38 | Fish-Face | shamrock, no, it's an IDE CD drive... but I presume it's the IDE part that makes the difference? |
| 13:35.49 | shamrock | yes. You are usign etch? |
| 13:35.56 | Fish-Face | etch/lenny |
| 13:36.16 | Fish-Face | I'm not quite sure what etch/lenny means, but that's what it says |
| 13:36.17 | shamrock | Fish-Face: lucky I am here. I messed around for days with same issue. No guarentees but get the SID kernel backport. |
| 13:36.17 | Fish-Face | :) |
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| 13:36.31 | stew | Fish-Face: that's what it says where? |
| 13:36.40 | Fish-Face | stew, somewhere... I remember reading it :) |
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| 13:36.50 | Fish-Face | Somewhere during boot, I think |
| 13:36.54 | robboplus | Wyzard and how can i grab the source of this debian kernel that i'm running atm? |
| 13:36.56 | Wyzard | shamrock: Flash on AMD64 is tricky because no 64-bit Flash plugin actually exists |
| 13:36.56 | stew | somehow i doubt that |
| 13:37.05 | Wyzard | robboplus: linux-source-<version> package |
| 13:37.09 | robboplus | Wyzard oh. |
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| 13:37.28 | Wyzard | shamrock: The flashplugin-nonfree package in testing/unstable works by loading the 32-bit Flash plugin via nspluginwrapper |
| 13:37.30 | shamrock | Fish-Face: I had lenny but that wouldnt work with the SATA controller in advanced mode. In the end I could boot from Lenny with a SATA CD/DVD. |
| 13:37.30 | Fish-Face | oops |
| 13:37.32 | Fish-Face | No, not during boot |
| 13:37.37 | Fish-Face | it's lenny/sid |
| 13:37.45 | Wyzard | shamrock: It used to work for me, but doesn't seem to work now... which isn't too surprising, since it's a hack anyway |
| 13:37.47 | FastPutty | stew: is that normal that on bridge mode (openvpn), only my client got the tap0 with the ip but not my server? |
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| 13:37.56 | shamrock | Fish-Face: type "uname -r" in a console and tell use your kernel. |
| 13:38.03 | Fish-Face | 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 13:38.09 | robboplus | Wyzard i found only one: linux-source-2.6.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches |
| 13:38.14 | FastPutty | stew: i cna turn on the tap0 but it do not have any ip with it |
| 13:38.17 | stew | FastPutty: i don't know |
| 13:38.20 | robboplus | Wyzard while my kernel is 2.6.18-5-k7.. will it fit? |
| 13:38.24 | Wyzard | robboplus: That's the only kernel in etch |
| 13:38.36 | shamrock | Fish-Face: I have 2.6.22-2-amd64 and it works. Cant really help more |
| 13:38.39 | tarzeau | has someone got a debian nfs root (diskless) client? |
| 13:38.39 | Wyzard | robboplus: Yes, the -5-k7 relates to how it was built, not hte source it was built from |
| 13:38.42 | shamrock | (with SATA drive that is) |
| 13:38.45 | iguanna | i have installed a package by ./configure and then make... but it has failed, now, how can i be sure that this package is not installed in my system? |
| 13:38.49 | Fish-Face | shamrock, hmm |
| 13:38.58 | robboplus | Wyzard thank you - i will try to grab that source and then just load up its config and change ONE thing in there that i need.. do you think that it will lead to a working kernel? |
| 13:39.12 | Wyzard | robboplus: It should |
| 13:39.18 | robboplus | Wyzard trying... |
| 13:39.19 | Wyzard | robboplus: What's the one thing you need to change? |
| 13:39.23 | tarzeau | i've got this in my pxe boot thingy: kernel nfs/vmlinuz and append root=/dev/nfsroot nfsroot=129.132.86.196:/export/nfsroot/etch ip=dhcp rw |
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| 13:39.31 | FastPutty | stew: your vpn are in routed or bridge mode? |
| 13:39.32 | iguanna | because i'm going to try to install this package by another way... from .deb |
| 13:39.43 | robboplus | Wyzard i need 100hz one |
| 13:40.09 | stew | FastPutty: routed |
| 13:40.19 | Fish-Face | shamrock, OK, I'll try installing 2.6.22 from unstable |
| 13:40.26 | robboplus | Wyzard so i tried to compile a custom 2.6.21 kernel with 100hz but in never worked.. now i will just try to tweak a debian kernel then in hope that it does the trick |
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| 13:40.32 | dbmoodb | ok well i have a conflit |
| 13:40.39 | dbmoodb | conflict * |
| 13:40.54 | shamrock | Fish-Face: good luck. I dont think you will have grub or fstab problems since lenny already changed the DEV names (e.g HDA became SDA) |
| 13:40.55 | stew | iguanna: run "make uninstall" |
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| 13:41.00 | Wyzard | robboplus: Why 100Hz specifically? |
| 13:41.03 | FastPutty | stew: does routed can have packet DHCP and DNS passed trough it? |
| 13:41.07 | Wyzard | robboplus: The default seems to be 250Hz, btw |
| 13:41.25 | robboplus | Wyzard i was told that 100hz will be better for VM |
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| 13:41.37 | Wyzard | robboplus: Better in what way? |
| 13:41.39 | iguanna | slew: i will |
| 13:41.43 | stew | FastPutty: DNS certainly. what sense would it make to pass dhcp traffic through a vpn? |
| 13:41.47 | goran | guys, did anyone made compiz fusion work on etch?? |
| 13:42.02 | dbmoodb | get beryl and get the unsported plugins |
| 13:42.05 | FastPutty | stew: wanna make a big network, so 1 dhcp server for 4 different place |
| 13:42.06 | dbmoodb | looks very similar |
| 13:42.08 | robboplus | Wyzard 250hz generates too much "heat" in the sense of irqs |
| 13:42.19 | roe | I don't really know what to search for, but I want to open up a "pull" ssh tunnel, the machine I want to access is behind a (not natted) private network that is behind another nat, so I think the easiest thing to do would be to have that machine connect to my machine then for me to use that connection to connect back to it, but I don't know how to do that |
| 13:42.21 | robboplus | Wyzard which leads to probs with vm |
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| 13:42.32 | stew | FastPutty: what sense would it make to talk to the DHCP server after the vpn is up? |
| 13:42.34 | Wyzard | robboplus: I use VMware on this box and Xen on another box, both with stock kernels, and they work fine |
| 13:42.36 | stew | FastPutty: what would be the point? |
| 13:42.39 | Fish-Face | shamrock, huh? Everything's still hda for me |
| 13:42.43 | goran | so beryl would have all those fancy plugins? |
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| 13:42.51 | robboplus | Wyzard what host cpu? |
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| 13:42.58 | FastPutty | stew: wanna make everyone in the same network |
| 13:43.06 | FastPutty | stew: i mean everyone having simular ip adress |
| 13:43.07 | Wyzard | robboplus: AMD64 on this one, i386 on the Xen one |
| 13:43.19 | FastPutty | stew: that porbbaly the reason iw anna go in brodge mode, but routed mode is easier t configured |
| 13:43.22 | cowboycoder | anyone know of a way to hide an already installed package from apt (i forced the install, from a different distro, and don't want the dependencies to prevent me from using apt normally) |
| 13:43.22 | FastPutty | to* |
| 13:43.25 | Wyzard | robboplus: Specifically, Core 2 Duo and VIA C7 respectively |
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| 13:43.39 | FastPutty | stew: i mean same network ip rang |
| 13:43.43 | stew | FastPutty: so you are going to bring their network up, then bring their vpn up, then you are going to have them make a DHCP request through the vpn, giving them another ip address, which will then remove them from the VPN? |
| 13:44.01 | dbmoodb | beryl doesn't have them all no |
| 13:44.08 | FastPutty | stew: well .. that the reason iw anna go with bridge mode ? :P lol |
| 13:44.12 | dbmoodb | you have a livecd of ubutu if you really want to play with compiz |
| 13:44.16 | FastPutty | bridge mode shoudl fix this issue |
| 13:44.27 | Fish-Face | shamrock, when did the conversion happen? |
| 13:44.52 | robboplus | Wyzard hm.. and you use AMD64 kernel for amd dual core machine? |
| 13:44.53 | FastPutty | stew: how do your cleitn behind the vpn client get there ips? |
| 13:45.07 | goran | dbmoodb: i installed beryl with unsupported plugins |
| 13:45.07 | robboplus | Wyzard or wait, you are on intel |
| 13:45.08 | FastPutty | with the vpn client using a dhcp server? |
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| 13:45.12 | Wyzard | robboplus: 2.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 13:45.15 | goran | now can i get fancy cube? :) |
| 13:45.19 | Wyzard | robboplus: yes, it's Intel, but it's still amd64 arch |
| 13:45.20 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 13:45.21 | robboplus | Wyzard why amd64 kernel on dual core? |
| 13:45.25 | goran | how |
| 13:45.27 | robboplus | err on intel |
| 13:45.30 | dbmoodb | enable it |
| 13:45.34 | Wyzard | robboplus: AMD64 == Intel 64 |
| 13:45.39 | goran | where |
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| 13:45.44 | robboplus | oh i had no idea |
| 13:45.47 | stew | FastPutty: all my vpn clients are basically 'road warrior' with respect to the vpn |
| 13:45.51 | Wyzard | robboplus: "amd64" == "x86_64" |
| 13:46.03 | robboplus | Wyzard well i'm not using 64bit kernel thus my probs possibly |
| 13:46.04 | FastPutty | road warrior? |
| 13:46.06 | Wyzard | robboplus: ("IA64", i.e. Itanium, is different) |
| 13:46.12 | FastPutty | stew: what is road warrior? |
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| 13:46.17 | robboplus | Wyzard i read you... |
| 13:46.33 | Wyzard | robboplus: Well, I have VMware on my laptop (32-bit Pentium M) and that works too |
| 13:46.43 | stew | FastPutty: my vpn clients don't pass data on behalf of other machines |
| 13:46.47 | Wyzard | robboplus: A 250Hz timer isn't a huge number of interrupts |
| 13:46.51 | robboplus | Wyzard never seen probs like clock skew in guest? just wondering |
| 13:46.53 | themill | Wyzard: careful about saying Intel 64... that's a little confusing when there's also ia64 ;) |
| 13:47.01 | echnaton | hi i have problems to install gnome-core on my debian-sid system. it has problems with libwnck... because of 2.20 and 2.18. has anybody fixed that problem |
| 13:47.05 | Wyzard | themill: "Intel 64" is the official name |
| 13:47.12 | stew | echnaton: check the bts |
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| 13:47.26 | FastPutty | stew: you mean your client behidn the vpn client do not talk trough the vpn? |
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| 13:47.34 | themill | Wyzard: huh? really... stupid bloody intel. (I still think it's worth avoiding ;) |
| 13:47.40 | echnaton | ok stew |
| 13:47.41 | stew | FastPutty: i don't know what you mean by "behind the vpn" |
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| 13:47.49 | Wyzard | robboplus: VMware has host/guest clock synchronization |
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| 13:48.04 | robboplus | Wyzard if you disable that you will probably see my point :) |
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| 13:48.30 | FastPutty | stew: vpn client(which is server on his wan network) have other machines (clients) |
| 13:48.30 | robboplus | Wyzard and really, for transactional stuff like databases etc. clock skew is bad.. so is forcing it with sync |
| 13:48.31 | Wyzard | robboplus: Without it, I wouldn't be surprised if some skew happens, even with a 100Hz timer interrupt |
| 13:48.59 | Fish-Face | OK, I'm going to reboot to the new kernel now... wish me luck |
| 13:49.07 | robboplus | Wyzard they happen because of the irq heat... it gets weird on non-single-core cpus |
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| 13:49.39 | robboplus | Wyzard in fact it's not even twice as much irqs for guest... it's TRIPLED :) |
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| 13:49.47 | iguanna | stew: make uninstall does nothing |
| 13:49.50 | FastPutty | stew: not sure if you understand what i mean |
| 13:49.56 | stew | FastPutty: yes, i do |
| 13:49.57 | robboplus | Wyzard and sometimes the host just can't take that and then shit happens... |
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| 13:50.12 | Wyzard | robboplus: 250Hz still isn't all that much, though, compared to how much work a processor can do per second |
| 13:50.12 | stew | FastPutty: i don't have clients "behind the vpn" |
| 13:50.29 | FastPutty | stew: oh ... |
| 13:50.36 | robboplus | Wyzard yes i agree but still that's what i found in google and i'm going to test this theory in practice :) |
| 13:50.44 | echnaton | so stew thanks for the tip.. i have to wait for a fix |
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| 13:51.19 | stew | echnaton: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
| 13:51.20 | cast|lir | whats the command to reload what groups i'm in without relogining in? |
| 13:51.23 | robboplus | Wyzard just doing the 4th kernel compile as we speak.. hopefully this time it will work |
| 13:51.28 | tarzeau | cast|lir: newgrp |
| 13:51.29 | iguanna | i have seen the Makefile and there is a target for uninstall, this one is uninstall: FORCE |
| 13:51.34 | cast|lir | thanks :) |
| 13:51.41 | iguanna | and anything more |
| 13:51.41 | vlt | Hello. I get "JavaScript support is not enabled" from elinks. How to enable it? |
| 13:51.50 | FastPutty | someone here has a openvpn on bridge mode? |
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| 13:52.08 | robboplus | vlt please use w3m.. |
| 13:52.15 | robboplus | vlt it will rock your nutz :) |
| 13:52.34 | stew | robboplus: except it doesn't have javascript support, which appears to be what he is after |
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| 13:52.43 | robboplus | stew of course it does.. |
| 13:52.52 | robboplus | which is why i recommended w3m to him |
| 13:52.52 | maddash | !find locale-archive |
| 13:53.04 | iguanna | so far, i suppose that the package is fully uninstalled if make uninstall does nothing ? |
| 13:53.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'locale-archive' returned no results. |
| 13:53.21 | maddash | wtf? |
| 13:53.43 | stew | robboplus: no, it doesn't |
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| 13:54.04 | robboplus | stew i use it all the time and it works |
| 13:54.29 | stew | robboplus: http://sf.net/projects/w3m ; the description is "w3m is a pager and/or text-based browser. It can handle table, cookies, authentication, and almost everything except JavaScript. |
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| 13:54.35 | lontra | tarzeau: ping |
| 13:54.44 | cowboycoder | how do i permanently ignore conflicts/dependencies for an already installed package (it was forced to install) |
| 13:55.15 | tarzeau | lontra: pong |
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| 13:55.56 | robboplus | stew: http://abe.nwr.jp/w3m/w3m-js.html |
| 13:56.04 | Wyzard | cowboycoder: I don't think you can do that |
| 13:56.19 | lontra | tarzeau: what's going on with gnustep in sid? |
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| 13:56.49 | softwork | i have a problem, debian testing have 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 13:56.58 | lontra | softwork: no 2.6.21 |
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| 13:57.28 | tarzeau | lontra: not much: http://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions see http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnustep-maintainers/2007-July/001096.html |
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| 13:57.47 | tarzeau | lontra: i've got something i worked on but it didn't work: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/textedit/ if you get it to work, we can finish the transition |
| 13:58.04 | cowboycoder | i know i can delete the package information from the catalog, to make the system ignore that it was even installed, but is there a way to do that with apt/dpkg? |
| 13:58.26 | stew | robboplus: what about it? |
| 13:58.37 | robboplus | stew it's a js patch for w3m |
| 13:59.03 | vlt | robboplus: Ok, I'll try, thank you. |
| 13:59.05 | stew | robboplus: what does it do? |
| 13:59.06 | lontra | tarzeau: hmm ... what's up wih it? |
| 13:59.11 | stew | vlt: w3m doesn't support javascript |
| 13:59.18 | tarzeau | lontra: try building it... it wouldn't work as described ? |
| 13:59.19 | masus | "Can't open lib '/usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so" but the file is still there, has anybody an idea ? |
| 13:59.36 | Wyzard | cowboycoder: Installing a package with broken dependencies and then deleting it from the package catalog so dpkg doesn't even know it's there sounds like a very good way to break your system |
| 13:59.39 | lupine_screen | masus: is it a broken link? |
| 13:59.46 | lupine_screen | (ls -la /usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so ) |
| 13:59.56 | masus | i'll see one mom |
| 14:00.13 | cowboycoder | yes it does, i would rather find a way to make apt ignore that the package was installed |
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| 14:00.23 | lontra | tarzeau: so it's all hung up because of textedit? sad |
| 14:00.26 | lupine_screen | I guess you're not called cowboycoder for nothing... |
| 14:00.35 | vlt | stew: Aah, ok, didn't read your conversation ... |
| 14:00.38 | lupine_screen | cowboycoder: you can dpkg -x the package, then copy the files in manually ? |
| 14:01.00 | tarzeau | lontra: no because of gnustep |
| 14:01.15 | tarzeau | lontra: textedit is an easy one to try if the transition works as described .. but it wouldn't work |
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| 14:01.30 | tarzeau | lontra: the old gnustep libs were removed from sid, so nothing of it works anymore in sid |
| 14:01.34 | Wyzard | cowboycoder: I'd be better to avoid installing the package with the broken dependencies in the first place |
| 14:01.55 | tarzeau | lontra: and it can only work again if gnustep is fixed (or someone can transition one gnustep application successfully, and i can have a look at how it works) |
| 14:01.59 | stew | vlt: aparantly when he said "try w3m" he mean, go get the source code to an old version of w3m no longer supported by debian, and add this experimental patch to it (which itself claims is "not useful yet") |
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| 14:02.27 | zmitya | hi all |
| 14:02.30 | cowboycoder | it's only a broken dependency because it's from another distro, i verified the dependency is there in the local distro (it's a cross install from ubuntu) |
| 14:02.48 | zmitya | how do I know which IO scheduler is used currently in my etch ? |
| 14:02.50 | masus | lupine_screen: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2007-09-26 12:26 /usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so -> libtdsodbc.so.0.0.0 |
| 14:02.57 | robboplus | stew js support in elinks is exactly same "useful" if not worse :) |
| 14:03.03 | themill | cowboycoder: wtf? |
| 14:03.08 | lupine_screen | does /usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so.0.0.0 exist ? |
| 14:03.11 | robboplus | that's why it's not even on by default... |
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| 14:03.24 | abrotman | cowboycoder: you get to keep the pieces :) |
| 14:03.31 | lupine_screen | cowboycoder: you're heading for a fail, really. |
| 14:03.35 | Wyzard | cowboycoder: A different package name between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 14:03.38 | stew | robboplus: so your answer to "how do i enable the javascript support in this browser" was "use one with no possibility of javascript support instead" |
| 14:03.41 | masus | lupine_screen: "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 789694 2007-09-26 12:26 /usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so.0.0.0" |
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| 14:03.52 | lupine_screen | ho hum, no idea then |
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| 14:04.03 | masus | :) thanks |
| 14:04.14 | stew | cowboycoder: remove all the packages installed from ubuntu, and recompile them for debian, "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" has instructions on recompiling packages from another release |
| 14:04.22 | robboplus | stew i meant that w3m is basically a better text browser than elinks.. while support for js is limited for both of them.. if i was to work on elinks to enable that i would rather do that with w3m |
| 14:04.37 | cowboycoder | (the conflict is 2.3.6.dsl-13etch2 vs 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5) i know it's crazy......... |
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| 14:04.42 | Fish-Face | no joy |
| 14:04.45 | vlt | stew: Yes, that doesn't sound that good. Any way to use JS sites in Debian? |
| 14:04.52 | cowboycoder | stew: good idea..ill look into that |
| 14:04.57 | cowboycoder | thanks all |
| 14:05.05 | Fish-Face | all that happened was that my network card driver died and wouldn't recompile, and the nvidia driver continued to segfault |
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| 14:05.18 | abrotman | wow .. you mean the libc6 from ubuntu doesn't work on debian ? |
| 14:05.19 | stew | cowboycoder: note that libc6 is about the most "core" package on your system |
| 14:05.25 | robboplus | vlt: http://www.fukuoka-edu.ac.jp/~kanamitu/install/sol9/w3m-0.4.txt <--it worked for me. |
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| 14:05.44 | stew | robboplus: that is an unmaintained patch against a 3+ year old version of w3m |
| 14:05.58 | robboplus | stew but it works |
| 14:06.00 | stew | robboplus: and that site itself claims "it is not yet usable" |
| 14:06.14 | robboplus | ok just have no js at all then :) |
| 14:06.26 | stew | robboplus: how do you know that? |
| 14:07.05 | robboplus | and did you ever try to use elinks for js enabled sites? |
| 14:07.17 | robboplus | in w3m it works client side at least |
| 14:07.24 | stew | vlt: how about links2 or iceweasel or dillo? |
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| 14:07.45 | tarzeau | dillo doesn't do javascript |
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| 14:08.04 | creature | Hello. I have some TrueType fonts I'd like to install on my Debian system. How do I do this? |
| 14:08.09 | tarzeau | links2 upstream has removed js in their current version (not in debian) |
| 14:08.17 | tarzeau | creature: put them into /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 14:08.31 | Wyzard | creature: or ~/.fonts, I believe |
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| 14:09.44 | creature | tarzeau: I can put them in a subdirectory of that dir, right? |
| 14:09.57 | akuehntopf | is it possible to speed up the debian boot process? |
| 14:09.58 | tarzeau | creature: yes |
| 14:10.06 | akuehntopf | maybe by leaving out some stuff in initrd |
| 14:10.07 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Shouldn't it be /usr/local/share/fonts? |
| 14:10.08 | akuehntopf | ? |
| 14:10.17 | tarzeau | akuehntopf: yes, faster disks, faster bios, faster computer |
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| 14:10.28 | creature | tarzeau: OK, done. Do I need to do something else poke xfstt or freetype or whatever deals with font rendering these days to tell it I have new fonts installed? |
| 14:10.40 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i don't know if debian looks there for the fonts |
| 14:10.52 | tarzeau | creature: restart the application and hope it's there? |
| 14:10.53 | Wyzard | akuehntopf: There's not much time spent in the initrd |
| 14:10.53 | Wyzard | tarzeau: If it doesn't, it's a bug |
| 14:11.04 | akuehntopf | Wyzard, it loads loads of modules |
| 14:11.07 | akuehntopf | for stuff i don't use |
| 14:11.17 | akuehntopf | like scsi drivers etc |
| 14:11.25 | Wyzard | akuehntopf: That doesn't take a significant length of time though |
| 14:11.31 | akuehntopf | what else? |
| 14:12.07 | creature | tarzeau: Well, check that out. That's worked like a charm, thanks. |
| 14:13.20 | Wyzard | akuehntopf: If you have your root filesystem on LVM or RAID or something, it activates those, but that's a rather necessary step |
| 14:13.36 | akuehntopf | i don't have |
| 14:13.41 | akuehntopf | but it still loads too much at boot |
| 14:13.44 | akuehntopf | i have no scsi |
| 14:13.45 | daz | what's LVM ? |
| 14:13.48 | masus | "Can't open lib '/usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so" but the file is still there, has anybody an idea ? |
| 14:13.49 | lupine_screen | !lvm |
| 14:13.49 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 14:13.54 | akuehntopf | and neither most ethernet drivers it loads |
| 14:14.23 | lupine_screen | ZOMG lol |
| 14:14.29 | lupine_screen | whoops, wrong channel |
| 14:14.33 | Wyzard | akuehntopf: You could edit /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and change "MODULES=most" to "MODULES=dep" |
| 14:14.46 | akuehntopf | what does it do? |
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| 14:14.54 | akuehntopf | load only modules based on dependency graph? |
| 14:14.58 | Wyzard | akuehntopf: yeah |
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| 14:15.04 | akuehntopf | nice, thanks |
| 14:15.11 | akuehntopf | will definitely try tat |
| 14:15.12 | akuehntopf | that |
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| 14:15.35 | Wyzard | akuehntopf: although, that means you run the risk of being unable to boot if the dependency graph changes -- like if your motherboard dies and you replace it with one that has a different IDE controller |
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| 14:15.40 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 14:15.51 | akuehntopf | it's a laptop |
| 14:15.52 | creature | While I'm in a sysadminny mood, how can I control the order that my sound modules are initialised/alsa finds devices? See, I have a soundcard, and I have a webcam with a microphone. On boot sometimes ALSA decides that the webcam is the device it should use for playing back sound, which is obviously not good, and I have to change to root and run alsaconf, and I'd like to stop having to do that. |
| 14:15.59 | akuehntopf | so i don't expect that to happen =) |
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| 14:16.06 | SamuraiDio | it seens my locale doesn't have iso-8859-1 how can i add/install it? |
| 14:16.17 | stew | creature: list the modules in the order you want them loaded in /etc/modules |
| 14:16.21 | Wyzard | SamuraiDio: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:16.29 | Wyzard | SamuraiDio: but UTF-8 is preferable over ISO-8859-1 |
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| 14:17.03 | struo | Hello, someone knows with mehoted is coded/ecnrypted this string? i9mjsqsH7Dtmg |
| 14:17.17 | \amethyst | struo: context? |
| 14:17.27 | creature | stew - if I put a module in there that's got dependencies, those will be loaded at the same time, right? |
| 14:17.35 | stew | creature: yes |
| 14:17.55 | SamuraiDio | i'm getting something strange, on aptitude, alsamixrt and many terminal apps, all special characters become ugly |
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| 14:20.12 | DustyBin | how long has this channel existed on freenode? |
| 14:21.01 | stew | ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- #debian << ACTIVE >> created 9 years 31 weeks 6 days (16h 37m 15s) ago |
| 14:21.15 | DustyBin | 9 years! jesus |
| 14:21.17 | stew | that's at least how long it has been registered with chanserv, so its older than that |
| 14:21.24 | DustyBin | jeeze |
| 14:22.06 | Trewas | struo: it has the right number of characters for old unix password, crypt(3) |
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| 14:22.20 | struo | Trewas: thanks :) |
| 14:23.03 | struo | Trewas: ahmm, what is the way to decryp it? I just play a wargame :) |
| 14:23.22 | lontra | tarzeau: ok thanks ... i just see that there is virtually no activity on the debian GNUstep mailing list and i just wondered what was up with it |
| 14:23.45 | Trewas | struo: it's a method for hashing passwords, no way to decrypt |
| 14:23.59 | Trewas | except for bruteforce/guessing |
| 14:24.30 | Wyzard | assuming it actually is a hashed password in the first place |
| 14:24.45 | struo | using john for example? |
| 14:25.44 | Trewas | yeah, that's one way... if it actually is a hashed password as Wyzard said :) |
| 14:26.01 | Trewas | but it has right number of 7-bit characters so quite likely |
| 14:26.15 | creature | If I have my 3D acceleration working right, glxgears should not use 100% of the CPU. Right? |
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| 14:27.19 | struo | thanks then |
| 14:27.40 | row | Hey anyone know of a app I can open stuffit files with thats in apt? |
| 14:27.40 | Wyzard | creature: Not necessarily true |
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| 14:28.01 | wols | creature: wrong. and glxgears is not usable for determining if you have 3d acceleration working either |
| 14:28.34 | Wyzard | wols: Well, I'm running it now and getting around 5500fps... that's probably a good sign that it's being accelerated :-) |
| 14:28.54 | wols | no. it's a sign you have a fast cpu :P |
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| 14:29.12 | creature | Well, how can I tell, then? |
| 14:29.44 | peterS | glxinfo |
| 14:30.10 | creature | And what am I looking for in that sea of output? |
| 14:30.11 | peterS | (from the mesa-utils package) |
| 14:30.20 | \amethyst | creature: direct rendering: Yes |
| 14:30.25 | peterS | you're looking for whether you are running hardware accelerated 3D or a pure software engine |
| 14:31.06 | creature | I've got the "direct rendering: yes" but I don't see why glxgears should be running so slowly (and not printing how many frames it's rendering). |
| 14:31.24 | Wyzard | creature: running slowly? |
| 14:31.30 | peterS | if you want it to print frames per second, you have to pass -iacknowledgethatthisisnotabenchmark or something like that |
| 14:31.32 | lupine_screen | did you "glxgears -iacknowledgetthatthistoolisnotabenchmark" ? |
| 14:31.58 | creature | I didn't. Last time I used it, I didn't have to. |
| 14:31.59 | peterS | of course, you should only do that if you acknowledge that this tool is not a benchmark |
| 14:32.04 | lupine_screen | :D |
| 14:32.36 | creature | Hmm. It clames to be doing ~ 4000 FPS. Which is better than it looks. |
| 14:32.48 | lupine_screen | it is not a benchmark, remember |
| 14:32.57 | lupine_screen | ;) |
| 14:33.11 | creature | Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. |
| 14:33.16 | lupine_screen | if you have DRI and your OpenGL version is right, then you have HW-accelerated OGL |
| 14:33.16 | Wyzard | creature: High framerate doesn't mean the gears spin really fast |
| 14:33.26 | creature | Wyzard: Last time I used it, they did exactly that. |
| 14:33.31 | Wyzard | creature: Their rotation speed is constant... high framerate means they spin very *smoothly* |
| 14:33.32 | creature | And didn't really bother my CPU. |
| 14:33.42 | creature | I guess the tool's been brushed up somewhat recently. |
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| 14:34.07 | testouille2 | hi all |
| 14:34.12 | Wyzard | creature: Maybe it's been changed at some point then... glxgears pegs (one core of) my 2.6GHz processor with nVidia 7600, albeit rendering 5500fps |
| 14:34.42 | creature | Wyzard: It's been about 4 years since I last used it, so that sounds likely. |
| 14:34.52 | lontra | how can i make the fonts in oo.org2 behave the same in gnome and windowmaker? |
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| 14:35.07 | \amethyst | I find that glxgears pegs my processor if I use a small window (and get 3000+ FPS), but not if I run it fullscreen (so that it gets only 180 or so FPS) |
| 14:35.26 | Wyzard | creature: Remember that its purpose is to draw stuff as fast as it possibly can, so the only way it won't peg the CPU is if the GPU can't keep up with the rendering requests being given to it |
| 14:35.41 | peterS | Wyzard: a 7600 card, only 5500 fps, where did the other 2100 fps go? you got gypped |
| 14:35.46 | Wyzard | creature: and a high-end GPU can easily keep up with drawing a few tens of polygons |
| 14:36.00 | creature | Wyzard: That makes sense. |
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| 14:36.39 | Wyzard | and yeah, it drops to around 380fps if I fullscreen it (1680x1050) |
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| 14:37.18 | peterS | someone should write a GL demo called Metal Glxgears Solid |
| 14:37.26 | akuehntopf | ^^ |
| 14:37.28 | lupine_screen | ... |
| 14:37.29 | SpeedyG | lol |
| 14:37.34 | surrounder | rofl |
| 14:37.43 | lupine_screen | as long as it's actually in wireframe |
| 14:37.50 | lupine_screen | just ftlol |
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| 14:38.15 | jiaoya | hello |
| 14:38.16 | akuehntopf | they should write a gl test program which draws a black rectangle on back screen, so all those guys got a new "benchmark" tool ;P |
| 14:38.26 | akuehntopf | s/back/black |
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| 14:40.17 | tarzeau | lontra: any help is welcome.. i'm stuck, hubert's not got a lot of time |
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| 14:41.19 | elenril | is debian-multimedia.org down? |
| 14:42.02 | wols | no |
| 14:42.41 | elenril | i get 404 not found |
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| 14:44.03 | stew | elenril: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/ are you using one of those names as your dist? |
| 14:44.12 | wols | then it can't be down if you get a 404, now can it? |
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| 14:45.09 | elenril | Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable/main Packages |
| 14:45.09 | elenril | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.15 | elenril | worked yesterday |
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| 14:46.57 | lontra | tarzeau: i can try to help ... i am not sure what expertise can provide |
| 14:47.03 | stew | elenril: yeah, it appears to have gone missing: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ |
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| 14:47.36 | themill | elenril: works for me: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ unstable main |
| 14:48.01 | tarzeau | lontra: get the source pkg (-2 version) from gnu.ethz.ch/debian/textedit/ and try to get it to build and work? |
| 14:48.32 | themill | stew: your link seems to work for me too..... do you get a 404 on that? |
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| 14:48.50 | lontra | tarzeau: ok ... with the version of gnustep that i've rolled here or with debian's version? |
| 14:49.15 | tarzeau | lontra: debian's version, in sid+experimental |
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| 14:50.06 | stew | themill: no, but i get a 404 on the Packages.gz file that it would be looking for in that directory when you run aptitutde update |
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| 14:50.26 | en1gma | sup all |
| 14:50.44 | en1gma | is there a reason why we cant get vlc from debian repos |
| 14:51.03 | lontra | !info package vlc |
| 14:51.13 | lontra | maybe it's not called vlc? |
| 14:51.16 | en1gma | i keep getting a vlc vox error or something like that when i try to get it |
| 14:51.24 | themill | stew: ok. Interestingly, I don't: Get:13 http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable/main Packages [43.5kB] |
| 14:51.26 | stew | lontra: http://packages.debian.org/vlc |
| 14:51.40 | lontra | stew: thanks but that should be for enigma ;) |
| 14:51.46 | en1gma | thnx stew |
| 14:52.02 | stew | en1gma: its not in testing |
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| 14:52.30 | en1gma | and that just so happens to be what i have (lenny) |
| 14:52.32 | en1gma | crap |
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| 14:53.05 | en1gma | i tried with etch first though and when aptitude tried to get it i would get a dep problem with vlc vox or something like that |
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| 14:53.25 | en1gma | so i moved to lenny thinking it might work |
| 14:53.31 | elenril | themill, that's really weird |
| 14:54.39 | stew | themill: you would if you tried to download that file |
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| 14:54.49 | lontra | tarzeau: apt-get source gnustep ... there's nothing there but /debian? |
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| 14:54.52 | Ronin | en1gma: is there a reason why you didn't just fix the dep problme |
| 14:54.55 | stew | themill: "Get" doesn't mean it downloaded the file, 'Hit' does |
| 14:55.10 | elenril | what's more, i can't see any files at all on the site |
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| 14:55.30 | themill | stew: doesn't hit mean it's in the cache? Get means it was fetched? |
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| 14:55.42 | themill | stew: and yes, I can get http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz without problems |
| 14:56.39 | stew | wierd |
| 14:56.47 | stew | yeah, it works with wget, but not with iceweasel |
| 14:57.29 | stew | oh, no it doesn't |
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| 14:57.39 | stew | i get a 404 with wget too |
| 14:57.56 | en1gma | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386 <<<< when i go there with my browser shouldnt i be able to see "Packages.gz" |
| 14:57.58 | themill | stew: worked for me with iceweasel.... sounds intermittent.... odd. I wonder if dmm is trying to force use of mirrors? |
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| 14:59.50 | en1gma | anyone can answer my Q |
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| 15:00.04 | stew | en1gma: yes, you should be able to see Packages.gz |
| 15:00.48 | en1gma | try it |
| 15:00.53 | en1gma | it dont appear |
| 15:00.56 | stew | en1gma: yes, i know |
| 15:01.10 | en1gma | i used firefox and did a search for "packages" |
| 15:01.21 | themill | stew: that page actually shows an html list of the packages with links to package descriptions. It's not a standard apache index at all.... |
| 15:01.33 | stew | themill: not here, it doesn't |
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| 15:01.40 | en1gma | hmmm |
| 15:01.44 | en1gma | let me try ie |
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| 15:02.08 | themill | stew: ok, the plot thickens... are you getting 213.186.33.18 for debian-multimedia.org |
| 15:02.16 | wols | en1gma: someone put a index.html there instead whcih apache of course uses instead |
| 15:02.30 | wols | if you attach "/Packages.gz" to the URL you will see the file |
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| 15:02.44 | stew | themill: yes |
| 15:02.44 | en1gma | oh i thought if i did that it would try and dload it |
| 15:02.47 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 15:03.20 | en1gma | yea firefox opens it up and displays the contents |
| 15:03.55 | wols | I can wget both: the url (getting the index.html) and the Packages.gz if I target it explicitly |
| 15:04.21 | stew | wols: you and themill are hitting a different server than en1gma and i then |
| 15:04.23 | en1gma | i just wanted to bookmark the site so i could grab the file later...im in windows and was gonna startup the debian box and type it in the browser there but if i would have did that i would not have been able to get "packages.gz" as i only bookmarked the url |
| 15:04.30 | themill | stew: ok, so doesn't look like a dns round robin that's playing up... and it's probably not regional it works for me in .uk and .au |
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| 15:04.34 | en1gma | now instead ill make a text file with complete url |
| 15:04.50 | Farhod | I have got an letter from ISP that someone from mine network sends spam to varius IP's. can I prevent it and get the info witch pc is doing that, setting spamassasin on gateway box? |
| 15:05.00 | themill | stew: different server even though it's resolving the same IP... dmm's gone fancy ;) |
| 15:05.11 | wols | stew: yes: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz [following] |
| 15:05.19 | wols | I get it actually from sunet.se |
| 15:05.32 | wols | themill: simple 302 |
| 15:05.47 | wols | Farhod: no |
| 15:05.50 | themill | wols: well spotted... I had the same wget in front of me and missed that ;) |
| 15:06.28 | Farhod | wols, maybe you know any sollutions for that? |
| 15:06.30 | Farhod | =/ |
| 15:06.42 | wols | Farhod: block port 25 outbound and only allow them to use the normal mailserver |
| 15:06.51 | themill | so yes, it was as I suggested earlier, dmm is forcing mirrors now. |
| 15:07.07 | themill | and there's a duff one in the mix ;) |
| 15:07.26 | wols | Farhod: log port 25 outbound too to see which machine is the culprit. and then LART its user |
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| 15:07.38 | en1gma | i was wondering what was going on when i tried to grab that file and it showed a fancy html instead of apache |
| 15:07.46 | wols | stew: so which server is it that's not working for you? |
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| 15:08.02 | wols | en1gma: nothing. that's as intended |
| 15:08.04 | themill | although why .uk and .au would both get a .se server is beyond me... |
| 15:08.10 | wols | simply index.html, nothing else |
| 15:08.13 | stew | wols: debian-multimedia.org aka 213.186.33.18 |
| 15:08.25 | stew | wols: but i'm really not that worried about it. i dont' use this site |
| 15:08.31 | wols | stew: that isn't relevnt. the 302 location is needed |
| 15:08.37 | wols | stew: sure you don't but others do |
| 15:08.37 | stew | wols: i don't get a 302, i get a 404 |
| 15:08.44 | themill | wols: index.php, actually ;) |
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| 15:09.06 | themill | stew: dmm will be giving you a 302 and passing you off to a mirror that's giving the 404. the wget should show that |
| 15:09.10 | wols | stew: I get 213.186.33.17 |
| 15:09.28 | stew | themill: no, that is not the case. he's not giving me a 302, he's giving me a 404 |
| 15:09.35 | wols | themill: no. we use different IPs apparently. perhaps he's moved and DNS didn't update yet |
| 15:09.45 | stew | $ HEAD http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 15:09.45 | stew | 404 Not Found |
| 15:09.55 | themill | stew: really.... most odd. (and it's working for me and I *am* using the same IP as you) |
| 15:10.14 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.13 | lukas___ | Hi, could anyone tell what is xorg driver for i945? |
| 15:11.15 | themill | stew: I don't see a 302 only the 200 from HEAD. doesn't HEAD transparently act on 302s? |
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| 15:11.36 | stew | themill: no, it doesn't, and i get the same from wget where you are seeing the 302 |
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| 15:11.53 | themill | lukas___: xserver-xorg-video-intel under lenny |
| 15:11.58 | sine | how can i make my touchpad mouse speed higher its so slow |
| 15:12.00 | en1gma | i gonna switch to linux brb |
| 15:12.47 | themill | lukas___: or xserver-xorg-video-i810 under etch, although I gather support for the i945 isn't that great. |
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| 15:14.35 | lukas___ | themill: I mean in the xorg.conf |
| 15:14.42 | lukas___ | intel_drv or i810? |
| 15:14.52 | themill | stew: now I'm truly confused... (the 200 was coming from some fscking proxy that was in the road) |
| 15:15.35 | themill | lukas___: under etch? i810, iirc |
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| 15:16.18 | themill | stew: yes, it's a dns thing. I've got two machines here... one with .18 that 404s and one with .17 that 302s. |
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| 15:16.51 | themill | erm... other way around |
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| 15:18.25 | lukas___ | themill: under lenny, what is iirc? |
| 15:18.48 | hark | heh |
| 15:18.52 | wols | !iirc |
| 15:18.53 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 15:18.55 | hark | !iirc |
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| 15:18.58 | themill | lukas___: nfi.... try looking at the man pages for those two drivers or in /usr/share/doc/blah blah... |
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| 15:20.26 | peterS | lukas___: look for the 'xserver-xorg-video-i810' and 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' packages. If the latter exists, the driver name is "intel", though it also provides an identical driver named "i810" for compatibility reasons |
| 15:20.32 | en1gms | k i back |
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| 15:22.32 | spider-pig | ola |
| 15:22.33 | themill | stew: from the dmm machine that does work, I get a 200 from HEAD not a 302. |
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| 15:28.50 | en1gms | so what gets added tp source.list to get vlc for testing? so when it does become avail i can get it |
| 15:29.29 | themill | stew: I guess that makes sense as the header info needn't have "moved", thus saving a request. |
| 15:29.29 | stew | en1gms: deb http://somedebianmirror testing main ; you likely already have this |
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| 15:29.44 | en1gms | yea i do....so i just need to wait |
| 15:29.52 | en1gms | crap vlc is important maybe ill goto sid |
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| 15:30.02 | Ronin | en1gms: ya theres a really bad idea |
| 15:30.04 | wols | en1gms: you add etch and get it from there? |
| 15:30.19 | en1gms | i tried with etch yesterday and it wouldnt let me |
| 15:30.23 | stew | en1gms: you don't want sid |
| 15:30.27 | en1gms | it gave me that vlc vox dep problem |
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| 15:30.46 | wols | stew: no, we don't want him to have sid to preserve the last bit of our sanity |
| 15:30.57 | Ronin | en1gms: you have problems with stable and you want to go to sid? |
| 15:31.06 | en1gms | i just want vlc |
| 15:31.19 | wols | en1gms: how long have you been here all in all? |
| 15:31.21 | en1gms | and i dont have problem with stable |
| 15:31.26 | en1gms | stable has prob with vlc |
| 15:31.30 | Ronin | en1gms: why didn't you just fix the dep problem you had in stable? |
| 15:31.31 | wols | and you still haven't learned how to present a problem? |
| 15:31.36 | stew | en1gms: what is the problem with vlc in stable? |
| 15:31.39 | Ronin | en1gms: not at all, i run stable and i have vlc |
| 15:31.45 | en1gms | it give vlc vox dep problem |
| 15:31.54 | stew | en1gms: you'll have to be more specific than that |
| 15:31.57 | stew | en1gms: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:32.02 | wols | en1gms: that's a BS problem description and you know it. try again |
| 15:32.08 | en1gms | well to do that i would have to reinstall etch |
| 15:32.09 | en1gms | lol |
| 15:32.23 | en1gms | ill tell you what |
| 15:32.25 | wols | en1gms: put etch in your sources.list and try to get vlc |
| 15:32.33 | en1gms | it gives the same error is stable as it does in testing |
| 15:32.37 | en1gms | "same error" |
| 15:32.40 | stew | en1gms: what is the error? |
| 15:32.51 | en1gms | 1 sec let me try and grab it |
| 15:33.29 | en1gms | vlc: |
| 15:33.29 | en1gms | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.45 | stew | en1gms: what happens when you try to install vlc-nox? |
| 15:33.50 | en1gms | i was thinking it was "vox" but its "nox" |
| 15:33.50 | wols | en1gms: FULL output. AND your command |
| 15:34.05 | en1gms | that is the output from synaptic |
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| 15:34.20 | en1gms | and it gives alot more errors if i try to install vlc-nox |
| 15:34.32 | stew | en1gms: put them into a pastebin |
| 15:35.28 | en1gms | when i try to install vlc-nox i get this http://pastebin.ca/715955 |
| 15:35.34 | axscodes | hi, example i have installed everything on my debian... is there any utility that does the back-up of my whole system and make it as an iso? |
| 15:35.37 | axscodes | and is loadable as an installer with pre-installed softwares that i have incorporate on it? |
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| 15:36.05 | stew | en1gms: what command did you type? |
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| 15:37.41 | en1gms | i did "TRY" and install it on stable |
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| 15:37.50 | en1gms | it would not and that is why i moved to lenny |
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| 15:38.01 | Ronin | en1gms: it instlls fine on etch |
| 15:38.03 | Ronin | installs even |
| 15:38.13 | xtor_ | If I want to install all the latest security and bug patches for every package do I just type "apt-get install update"? |
| 15:38.14 | en1gms | stew i used synaptic nad marked to for install then hit apply |
| 15:38.28 | themill | en1gms: are you telling us that you moved to lenny to install a package that wasn't even available under lenny? |
| 15:38.34 | stew | en1gms: i'd recommend using aptitude isntead, as it has much better dependency resolution |
| 15:38.51 | themill | xtor_: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 15:39.05 | axscodes | xtor_: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 15:39.10 | en1gms | themill im telling you im about ready to move to sid if i cant get vlc to work in lenny |
| 15:39.12 | en1gms | ALSO |
| 15:39.15 | xtor_ | aptitude is the gui is it not? I just got a ssh to it |
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| 15:39.26 | en1gms | stew i tried aptitude also |
| 15:39.29 | themill | xtor_: aptitude is an apt-get replacement. |
| 15:39.35 | rellis | axscodes: don't you want && there and not ; |
| 15:39.37 | stew | en1gms: and what happened? |
| 15:39.44 | themill | !tell xtor_ about why aptitude |
| 15:39.46 | xtor_ | oh damn...cant I keep using apt- ? |
| 15:39.47 | en1gms | umm lemme think |
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| 15:39.59 | xtor_ | will this upgrade me from sarge to etch as well? |
| 15:40.06 | jiaoya | too many message |
| 15:40.07 | en1gms | i dont remember |
| 15:40.12 | en1gms | but it wouldnt let me either |
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| 15:40.19 | abrotman | en1gms: the last time you moved to sid .. didn't you have to reinstall everything ? |
| 15:40.21 | themill | rellis: apt-get update shouldn't fail too often ;) |
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| 15:40.29 | alekz | Hi, I've just installed KDE on my Debian SID the problem is that my caps lock and num leds are not working |
| 15:40.38 | rellis | themill: hehe alright, i'll accept that... i've never seen it fail |
| 15:40.43 | rellis | =p |
| 15:40.49 | rellis | but just on the chance that it might.. |
| 15:40.51 | rellis | heh |
| 15:40.51 | en1gms | my source.list has main contrib non-free |
| 15:41.03 | themill | xtor_: are you currently running sarge? |
| 15:41.05 | fluxdude | I have a server with a 3ware 9550SX raid card which is dying after 15 mins and has to be hard rebooted. I've noticed the load racks up by around 1.0 per minute of uptime until it seizes up. The ram also seems to be disappearing somewhere, but a top of the processes doesn't show where it's going and it's not in cache as usual. Any ideas what's going on? |
| 15:41.06 | stew | en1gms: run "aptitude" by itself, select the package for install, then search for broken packages by hitting "/" and using "~b" as the search term, and fix the broken packages, when there are no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
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| 15:41.21 | xtor_ | my apache keeps pushing empty .php pages to the clients...I wanna fix it with an upgrade if possible. Yes I am currently running sarge |
| 15:41.31 | stew | fluxdude: do you have 3dm2 installed? |
| 15:41.50 | en1gms | abortman the last time i worked my way upto sid was with a diff problem....all my ides were full of 4 hard drives and i was trying to put an ide-sata adapter on it and use it and debian didnt like it for some reason |
| 15:41.54 | stew | xtor_: check the apache error logs |
| 15:42.02 | en1gms | so i removed a ide hd and put the dvd-rom on there and installed etch |
| 15:42.09 | fluxdude | stew: no, just tw_cli on linux, no gui server |
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| 15:42.29 | themill | xtor_: there's two separate problems here. Let's deal with them one at a time. Updates and php. |
| 15:42.32 | stew | fluxdude: 3dm2 doesn't require a gui on the server, it starts an http server |
| 15:42.34 | wood | have someone problems with ati radeon 9550 in xorg? |
| 15:42.53 | en1gms | stew ok copying and pasting that for future use of aptitude cause i really wansnt sure what to do when i seen a broken pkg |
| 15:42.54 | en1gms | thnx |
| 15:43.06 | xtor_ | themill I am using that crappy ioncube encoder too...for what its worth I might need to update those .so files as well :( |
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| 15:43.55 | en1gms | does vlc work with sid currently |
| 15:43.56 | themill | xtor_: wtf? |
| 15:44.24 | stew | en1gms: check the bts |
| 15:44.25 | themill | xtor_: what why how when where... are just some of the questions that come to mind... |
| 15:44.26 | xtor_ | themill yes...my main server runs on an encoded ioncubed php script...that might be causing that wierd behaviour as well :( |
| 15:44.31 | en1gms | k |
| 15:44.50 | xtor_ | themill I know...theres so many variables I just wanna shoot a few bullets in the dark first |
| 15:45.17 | themill | xtor_: I presume ioncube is a binary module that gets loaded into php from what you say. |
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| 15:45.40 | xtor_ | yes...its like a cache accelerator I think |
| 15:46.03 | Ronin | en1gms: seriously and i know im wasting key strokes but go back to stable |
| 15:46.10 | themill | xtor_: it that's the case, then any upgrade to php could break things, although they are fairly good at keeping the ABI the same at least within sarge. sarge->etch would be a problem. |
| 15:46.15 | xsdg | how do I turn authentication off on an Xnest again? (basically, no clients can connect to my Xnest right now) |
| 15:46.22 | en1gms | Ronin im about to goto sid...seems like stuff always works in it |
| 15:46.30 | _Oz__ | so 1 herd ur ph4azing out txtmode |
| 15:46.30 | _Oz__ | also, you like mudkips lolz |
| 15:46.31 | _Oz__ | t34ch m3 howz to haXXxxXXxx0rz zomgzbbqsauce |
| 15:46.37 | xtor_ | themill whait...why would an upgrade to PHP break anything? |
| 15:46.44 | Ronin | en1gms: you do that and you know you're basically on your own |
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| 15:46.56 | en1gms | changing my source.list right now |
| 15:47.00 | stew | en1gms: "seems like stuff always works in it" are you nuts? |
| 15:47.09 | mzuverink | during installation, the net install image asks what type of system to install, now if I choose web it installs apache correct?, now what about file server? Is that an ftp server or a nfs server? |
| 15:47.10 | stew | en1gms: you don't want sid |
| 15:47.14 | en1gms | stew it it does break its fixed fast |
| 15:47.25 | en1gms | ok i will hold off and your recommendation |
| 15:47.37 | \amethyst | xsdg: xhost +, but are you really sure you want to do that? |
| 15:47.46 | _Oz__ | t34ch m3 tohaxxorz or i'll hax freenode and unregister u 4ll |
| 15:47.50 | en1gms | but i not going back to etch...ive done to many installs-reinstalls and this rig is running great except for vlc |
| 15:47.57 | _Oz__ | PENIS-SPAM |
| 15:47.58 | xsdg | \amethyst: the answer seems to be "Xnest :1 -auth /dev/null" |
| 15:48.00 | fluxdude | stew: oh yeah, 3dm is http server, but no, I have tw_cli for command line maintenance, why? |
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| 15:48.09 | xsdg | \amethyst: the problem is that no client (including xhost) can connect to the Xnest at all |
| 15:48.17 | _Oz__ | wh4t a bunch of lewserz |
| 15:48.18 | _Oz__ | lolz |
| 15:48.18 | themill | !ops _Oz__ is trolling |
| 15:48.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: _Oz__ is trolling |
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| 15:48.31 | en1gms | what is a good substitue for vlc until it gets working |
| 15:48.32 | stew | sorry i missed him before |
| 15:48.43 | thrashy | Hey, how can I display the system's users? |
| 15:48.43 | themill | stew: thanks... :) |
| 15:48.44 | en1gms | mplayer and its codecs? |
| 15:48.48 | Ronin | en1gms: totem, mplayer etc. |
| 15:48.49 | axscode | mplayer |
| 15:48.58 | en1gms | ok thnx |
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| 15:49.01 | stew | fluxdude: i just was wondering if you had a way to know if it was doing something like attempting a rebuild |
| 15:49.04 | en1gms | grabbing it |
| 15:49.20 | axscode | mplayer + wincodecs |
| 15:49.59 | themill | xtor_: the binary module of ioncube has to be loaded into php... that means that php and ioncube must be compiled in the same, compatible way. If php is updated (and recompiled) then it must be done so in a way compatible with ioncube or else ioncube must also be updated and recompiled. |
| 15:50.30 | en1gms | is there a command i can /msg dpkg with to get the mplayer codecs |
| 15:50.31 | xtor_ | ioncube supplies updated .so files for different PHP versions |
| 15:50.32 | themill | xtor_: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface |
| 15:50.40 | en1gms | i forget it.. its bveen so long since i used it |
| 15:51.01 | axscode | is there hi, example i have installed everything on my debian... is there any utility that does the back-up of my whole system and make it as an iso? and is loadable as an installer with pre-installed softwares that i have incorporate on it? |
| 15:51.10 | wols | en1gms: debian-multimedia.org has them |
| 15:51.30 | en1gms | okie thanks |
| 15:51.34 | themill | xtor_: which may or may not be compatible with the versions in debian. I have no idea. Ioncube somewhat goes against the principles of free software so we tend not to pay any attention to them. |
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| 15:52.00 | wols | axscode: we call that a "backup" |
| 15:52.06 | wols | axscode: maybe look into mondo |
| 15:52.28 | axscode | wols: not really back-up, but i want to make an installer of my system. |
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| 15:52.54 | en1gms | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/package/ = nothing in there |
| 15:53.12 | creature | So, I have Quake 2 installed, and it runs, visually, fine. But the sound is very jerky; it will play half a second of audio, then silence for half a second, then sound, and so on. I have no idea how to fix this. Any suggestions? |
| 15:53.32 | themill | en1gms: dmm seems to be having issues today. perhaps come back and try again tomorrow. |
| 15:53.35 | wols | en1gms: what were you looking for exactly? |
| 15:53.38 | xtor_ | themill I sincerely regret buying an ioncubed closed source script now :( |
| 15:53.45 | en1gms | codec pack |
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| 15:53.56 | stew | axscode: maybe 'bootcd' |
| 15:54.08 | wood | have someone problems with ati radeon 9550 in xorg? |
| 15:54.17 | stew | wood: why do you ask? |
| 15:54.28 | themill | xtor_: I could gloatishly say good, but that would be uncharitable to say the least :( |
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| 15:54.36 | xtor_ | :) |
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| 15:55.03 | Nemoder | creature: are you using http://www.icculus.org/quake2/ ? |
| 15:55.08 | xtor_ | well fortunately I found a place that does reverse decoding of ioncube so I will pay a few hundred to get the script decripted and then rewrite it myself |
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| 15:55.19 | creature | Nemoder: I'm using the Debian package. |
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| 15:55.40 | wols | xtor_: what language does the script use? |
| 15:55.44 | themill | xtor_: ok... have a look in /var/log/apache/error.log for messages about why your php scripts are producing blank pages. A decent script *should* tell you why in there. |
| 15:55.46 | creature | Ooh, that one has ALSA support. |
| 15:55.54 | themill | wols: php |
| 15:56.01 | xtor_ | wols it uses PHP |
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| 15:56.07 | wols | themill: obfuscated php? |
| 15:56.10 | themill | yep |
| 15:56.11 | alekz | Hi, I've just installed KDE on my Debian SID the problem is that my caps lock and num leds are not working |
| 15:56.48 | themill | wols: obfuscated, compiled and generally frigged with: http://www.ioncube.com/ |
| 15:56.58 | themill | wols: all at a tidy sum of $$ |
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| 15:58.43 | xtor_ | wow this apt-get update is going really really slow...it said it has stopped bind...but been stuck there for 2 minutes at least |
| 15:58.53 | mzuverink | so I have a base no gui install, of a standard system, how do I get it to go from stable to testing? |
| 15:59.07 | abrotman | !tell mzuverink about sarge->etch |
| 15:59.09 | xtor_ | now its moving again, just made me wonder what on earth it was waiting for--or doing |
| 15:59.26 | themill | xtor_: hang on with this updating thing. You're currently running sarge... what's in your sources.list sarge or stable? |
| 15:59.50 | mzuverink | thanks |
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| 16:00.04 | xtor_ | I cant tell right now cuz the shell is running that script |
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| 16:00.07 | wols | abrotman: that won't bring him to testing |
| 16:00.08 | xtor_ | I mean the root shell is |
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| 16:00.22 | py_ | hello |
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| 16:00.30 | xtor_ | is there a file I can look in? |
| 16:00.34 | jmichaelx | would anyone here know whether or not there is a way to get a functional install of 'bibletime' working in lenny? |
| 16:00.38 | abrotman | wols: DOH! |
| 16:00.43 | abrotman | !tell mzuverink about etch->lenny |
| 16:00.53 | mzuverink | is there a unstable net image I missed somewhere? |
| 16:01.01 | py_ | how can I prevent my menu.lst to be modified when I install a new kernel? |
| 16:01.02 | wols | !tell jmichaelx about smart questions |
| 16:01.09 | wols | mzuverink: you didn't miss it since it doesn't exist |
| 16:01.22 | wols | py_: why would you do that? |
| 16:01.27 | py_ | I mean, automatically modified when I install .deb packaged kernel |
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| 16:01.43 | wols | py_: modified in what way? |
| 16:01.47 | abrotman | mzuverink: no |
| 16:02.00 | wols | when you install a kernel that kernel is automatically added to menu.lst |
| 16:02.09 | mzuverink | ok, so only stable is available, though for a web and ftp server stable would be the bestbet anyways correct? |
| 16:02.20 | Nuxis | py_: you install a new kernel but you not going to use it.. because if you install a new kernel it will automatic add it to the menu.lst |
| 16:02.20 | wols | mzuverink: yes |
| 16:02.25 | stew | jmichaelx: the safest way is to backport it from sid, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:02.43 | py_ | wols: in fact I'm probably the one causing troubles: I want to use UUID based root= parameter, and the automated system keeps putting /dev/hdX entries. Perhaps there is a way to tell that I don't want that to happen? |
| 16:02.47 | mzuverink | You people are great, thanks for the help, I really appreciate it |
| 16:03.15 | jmichaelx | stew: ty for the assistance. was just wondering if that were a safe thing to do in this case. i may give it a shot |
| 16:03.35 | wols | py_: edit your kopt or groot variable. preferably kopt |
| 16:03.51 | py_ | Nuxis: when I install a new kernel its obviously to use it, but it would be fine for me to have to edit grub's config manually. |
| 16:03.55 | themill | xtor_: do the downloads show the update pulling in from etch or stable or oldstable or sarge? |
| 16:04.06 | Nuxis | py_: ow ok :D |
| 16:04.16 | wols | py_: what is currently in your kopt= line? |
| 16:04.17 | xtor_ | themill I see a lot of etch in the names of the .deb packages |
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| 16:04.33 | themill | xtor_: right.... then you don't want to let that upgrade happen. |
| 16:04.34 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 16:04.44 | xtor_ | themill what????? |
| 16:04.48 | py_ | wols: well... I feel somehwhat stupid, I should have RTFM ;-) |
| 16:04.52 | dnanar | i'm trying to mount my USB (UMS) device under linux (debian lenny). lsusb does not show the device and on dmesg i got when plugging the device and doing an lsusb: http://rafb.net/p/F5jjRQ37.txt . May anyone help me please ? |
| 16:04.54 | xtor_ | themill should I abort?? |
| 16:05.04 | wols | py_: it's a common problem |
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| 16:05.24 | themill | xtor_: if it's still only updating and not upgrading then yes. |
| 16:05.38 | xtor_ | themill how do I tell what its doing? |
| 16:05.52 | xtor_ | Unpacking replacement pidentd ... |
| 16:05.52 | xtor_ | Preparing to replace portmap 5-9 (using .../archives/portmap_5-26_i386.deb) ... |
| 16:05.52 | xtor_ | Stopping portmap daemon: portmap |
| 16:05.57 | xtor_ | What stage is that? |
| 16:05.58 | py_ | wols: the system proposed is indeed quite nice. Sorry for the pointless questions, and thanks for your kind answers |
| 16:06.16 | themill | xtor_: that's upgrading... |
| 16:06.17 | Nuxis | py_: from belgium :D? |
| 16:06.22 | stew | jmichaelx: yes, that is in general, safe, you might want to "/msg dpkg why is packagename not in testing" to see why it isn't in testing and check "http://bugs.debian.org/packagename" to see what bugs are in the sid version |
| 16:06.25 | themill | !tell xtor_ about sarge->etch |
| 16:06.27 | xtor_ | themill....so what do I do now? |
| 16:06.36 | Enigma | lontra: please dont use my highlight enigma when talking to en1gma ;) |
| 16:06.40 | py_ | Nuxis, yes, east Belgium |
| 16:06.46 | xtor_ | themill I am a bit concerned, is there a chance something might break? Perhaps even network connectivity? |
| 16:06.47 | Nuxis | antwerp? |
| 16:06.48 | jmichaelx | stew: ok, ty very much, again |
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| 16:07.11 | Nuxis | !tell nuxis hello |
| 16:07.18 | lontra | Enigma: wow that was a long time ago ... sorry |
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| 16:07.24 | dnanar | anyone may help me please ? |
| 16:07.25 | Nuxis | wooot someone /msg me I have friends :p sorry |
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| 16:07.44 | wols | Nuxis: spambots aren't friends |
| 16:07.46 | themill | stew, abrotman: advice for xtor_ please: aborting an unwanted sarge->etch upgrade |
| 16:07.48 | wols | they message people all the time |
| 16:07.49 | jthomas | hey does anyone have the root password for MachBoot, the superfast booting ISO from a few weeks ago? Its based on Debian but otherwise isn't affiliated AFAIK... |
| 16:07.54 | Nuxis | Dark_Apostrophe: just ask yo u question |
| 16:07.58 | Nuxis | wols: ok :( |
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| 16:08.14 | xtor_ | themill what is so bad about going from sarge-->etch? What is the danger? |
| 16:08.35 | Nuxis | whoops Dark_Apostrophe sorry meaned to dnanar |
| 16:08.44 | stew | xtor_: you want to upgrade to etch or not? |
| 16:08.49 | themill | xtor_: it's something that you need to do in a planned manner. And it is highly likely to break your silly ioncube thing, I would think. |
| 16:08.50 | slump | hey. anybody knows kernel > 2.6.18 supports adaptec 1220SA ? |
| 16:09.01 | xtor_ | stew yeah I do...but not if it makes me lose ssh to my remote box |
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| 16:09.17 | themill | stew: it's an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade where the sources were pointing to stable not sarge |
| 16:09.25 | xtor_ | themill I dont care about breaking ioncube as much as I care about breaking network connectivity and sshd |
| 16:09.29 | Heavy-D | slump: yeah i'd like to know that too as I have just bought one |
| 16:09.38 | rmaj | hello |
| 16:09.40 | stew | xtor_: it would not make you lose ssh to your remote box. if you are using some proprietary software (whatever ioncube is) it may break |
| 16:09.48 | slump | Heavy-D: i'm in the machine right know, but need to enable AHCI to install :/ |
| 16:09.54 | stew | xtor_: if you want to upgrade, you should be following the upgrade instructions in the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:09.54 | Nuxis | lemme upgrade to lenny to help debian :) |
| 16:09.54 | rmaj | how can I set my VT font/mode to be around 100x25 or something simmilar? |
| 16:10.10 | slump | Heavy-D: it comes with one cd of drivers, but just to redhat/suse :P |
| 16:10.20 | slump | Heavy-D: gonna get 2.6.22 and see. |
| 16:10.31 | wols | rmaj: vesafb with proper mode parameter in menu.lst |
| 16:10.38 | Heavy-D | slump: yeah the drivers on Adaptec's website only specify Red Hat/SUSE as well |
| 16:11.06 | valdyn | slump: which chip is that? |
| 16:11.11 | py_ | wols, what means "alternative automagic boot options"? Is it the "rescue mode" lines that are auto-added? |
| 16:11.12 | valdyn | slump: i think i have something like that |
| 16:11.16 | slump | don't know |
| 16:11.19 | slump | lspci |
| 16:11.19 | themill | xtor_: if you want to keep going with the upgrade to etch (and perhaps you might as well at this stage), then you are at step 4.5.4 of the release notes that dpkg told you about |
| 16:11.28 | slump | says something about silicon image, unknow device |
| 16:11.38 | slump | but the card is an adaptec 1220SA |
| 16:11.39 | fluxdude | stew: that 3ware card is rebuilding a 6TB array but the thing is I have done this before without the machine seizing up... and this problem happened before the array was degraded. It only got degraded cos I pulled the wrong disk out ... |
| 16:11.42 | slump | sata/raid |
| 16:11.51 | xtor_ | themill as long as I still retain ssh connectivity I can live with it, and fix anything |
| 16:11.53 | valdyn | slump: i have a 1430sa, but i think that is similar |
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| 16:12.00 | valdyn | slump: yours has how many sata ports? |
| 16:12.01 | themill | stew: thanks that was my feeling, but I was looking for some backup there ;) |
| 16:12.04 | wols | py_: afaik yes but not toally sure |
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| 16:12.29 | themill | xtor_: that shouldn't be a problem. I've done sarge->etch over ssh without problems. Are you currently running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:12.31 | abrotman | themill: even if it says it is going to restart sshd .. that current session stays open |
| 16:12.42 | stew | i can't imagine he is actually at 4.5.4 already |
| 16:12.45 | valdyn | slump: i'll look into the source of 2.6.22 to see if its supported.. |
| 16:12.45 | abrotman | and for reference .. i did all my sarge->etch in the office over ssh |
| 16:12.57 | xtor_ | Linux debian 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:13.03 | xtor_ | evidently yes, it is 2.6 |
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| 16:13.18 | valdyn | slump: pci id please |
| 16:13.21 | mzuverink | where would someone find a complete list of debian repos? |
| 16:13.25 | xtor_ | the kernel says 686 but the .deb packages being pulled say i386 |
| 16:13.28 | stew | mzuverink: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:13.29 | themill | abrotman: yeah, I know that works, it was the unplanned bit that was worrying... and 2.4 to 2.6 is not a fun thing to do remotely ;) |
| 16:13.34 | mzuverink | kk |
| 16:13.38 | mzuverink | thanks |
| 16:13.46 | themill | xtor_: 2.6 is good, i386 is fine (that's the distro name for 686) |
| 16:13.47 | abrotman | themill: they all worked for me .. except one alpha .. and that was a bios thing |
| 16:13.52 | jeward | Okay, I was here yesterday with a system hang after sarge->etch upgrade. I've traced it down to nfs trying to start before the interface it needs to mount over is configured. |
| 16:14.16 | jeward | I moved the nfs-common startup script waaaaay down the line in the startup order to no avail. |
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| 16:14.24 | jeward | What else can I do? |
| 16:14.31 | valdyn | slump: lspci -n gives the pci id |
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| 16:14.48 | themill | abrotman: it's just somewhat more nerve-racking. Maybe that's just me.... sitting looking at ping not responding while the box is rebooting... I hate that. |
| 16:15.06 | py_ | wols: further reading seems to confirm that |
| 16:15.11 | xtor_ | jeward ouch, scary...not something you can do much about remotely |
| 16:15.26 | jeward | xtor_: I have remote console access. |
| 16:15.34 | xtor_ | jeward I dont :( |
| 16:15.58 | jeward | xtor_: And I can interrupt the hang, but that won't help if the system reboots unattended. |
| 16:16.04 | themill | xtor_: ok. please read the release notes over at this stage :) and follow the instructions about upgrading things step at a time. |
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| 16:16.32 | sine | how do i find the grub menu file |
| 16:16.33 | xtor_ | themill well the upgrade is already in progress...I cannot stop anything by reading notes now |
| 16:16.41 | sine | there is no grub.conf on the system and menu.lst is empty |
| 16:17.03 | jeward | sine: nothing in /boot/grub? |
| 16:17.05 | themill | xtor_: I know that, but that's only the first step of the upgrade as section 4.5.4 onwards will show you. |
| 16:17.12 | wols | sine: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 16:17.27 | sine | wols that file is empty |
| 16:17.47 | slump | valdyn: |
| 16:17.56 | slump | 04:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. Unknown device 0242 (rev 01) |
| 16:17.58 | valdyn | Heavy-D: there's a free driver for this starting at 2.6.21-rc5 as it looks |
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| 16:18.18 | valdyn | slump: that is not the pci id, use lspci -n and look for 04:00.0 |
| 16:18.26 | jeward | valdyn: Do you have time/inclination to work with me again today? |
| 16:18.44 | valdyn | jeward: i have some time, what's up? |
| 16:18.50 | jeward | Update ticket #9601 (Making Uploading to Cronus faster and easier) |
| 16:18.53 | stew | xtor_: what do you mean that you 'cannot stop' ? |
| 16:19.00 | jeward | Ooops, sorry. |
| 16:19.20 | jeward | valdyn: I've tracked it down to NFS starting before eth1 is configured. |
| 16:19.30 | xtor_ | stew I would have to CTRL ^ C to stop things...and then that would break something or the other since I am only halfway though, right? |
| 16:19.51 | stew | xtor_: if its only downloading stuff you can ctrl-c, and that is what I'd strongly recommend |
| 16:19.54 | valdyn | slump: and i dont actually need the pci id now as your card is simply supported by any kernel >= 2.6.21 |
| 16:20.03 | jeward | valdyn: Should I just increase the sleep time after eth1 in the interfaces file? |
| 16:20.13 | themill | stew: it's already upgraded portmap at least... |
| 16:20.13 | xtor_ | stew no it is already installing stuff...stopping and restarting daemons after upgrading them |
| 16:20.25 | valdyn | jeward: like post-up "/bin/sleep 5" ? |
| 16:20.27 | Heavy-D | valdyn: What kernel is installed by default on Etch? I forget and don't have access to my etch box right now. |
| 16:20.34 | valdyn | Heavy-D: 2.6.18 |
| 16:20.41 | jeward | valdyn: Right, 5 isn't enough evidently. |
| 16:20.43 | stew | xtor_: in this case, since you aren't following the recommended procedure, i'd say the chances of you breaking something are high |
| 16:21.04 | Heavy-D | valdyn: So in order to have that device recognized i'd need >= 2.6.21? |
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| 16:21.11 | themill | stew: the first step (other than backing up your data!) is aptitude upgrade though... |
| 16:21.11 | valdyn | jeward: oh, i understood you had no post-up yet, just pre-up |
| 16:21.11 | xtor_ | stew but I wouldn't be breaking sshd or network connectivity would I? Hopefully? |
| 16:21.21 | stew | themill: not even close |
| 16:21.35 | jeward | valdyn: I changed it to post_up after I figured out NFS was the problem. |
| 16:21.39 | valdyn | Heavy-D: right |
| 16:21.43 | valdyn | jeward: i see |
| 16:21.46 | Heavy-D | valdyn: Thanks |
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| 16:21.54 | stew | xtor_: your ethernet device and your hard drives could be renamed when you reboot, for instance |
| 16:21.58 | jeward | valdyn: I also moved NFS way down in the start order, but no luck. |
| 16:22.14 | xtor_ | stew ouch!!! why would that happen??? |
| 16:22.25 | themill | stew: what did I miss? |
| 16:22.36 | stew | xtor_: read the release notes |
| 16:22.46 | peterS | xtor_: if you have multiple ethernet cards, they aren't always guaranteed to be detected in a fixed order |
| 16:22.56 | valdyn | jeward: what if you just put ifup eth1 into /etc/rc.local and remove the 'auto eth1' ? |
| 16:23.11 | jeward | Update ticket #9601 (Making Uploading to Cronus faster and easier) |
| 16:23.16 | jeward | Argh. |
| 16:23.26 | jeward | valdyn: I'll try that, be back soon. |
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| 16:23.34 | slump | valdyn: |
| 16:23.43 | slump | 04:00.0 0104: 1095:0242 (rev 01) |
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| 16:23.55 | stew | themill: everything between 4.1 and 4.5 |
| 16:23.58 | peterS | xtor_: this is a new "feature" of linux 2.6, device driver initialisation is no longer something you're supposed to depend on it happening in a fixed order. this is for improved hot-plug support (devices appearing and disappearing from your machine more or less at random) |
| 16:24.03 | valdyn | slump: see what i told Heavy-D. You need a kernel >= 2.6.21. You can get one at backports.org |
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| 16:24.31 | slump | hmm |
| 16:24.32 | xtor_ | peters...errmmm....but I have had the 2.6 kernel for a while |
| 16:24.37 | slump | this is what i'm doing |
| 16:24.40 | slump | getting 2.6.22.8 :) |
| 16:24.52 | slump | i had some problems with the sky2 (marvell) board too |
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| 16:24.57 | xtor_ | peters I had that ethernet problem before |
| 16:24.59 | slump | i think 2.6.22 will correct it. |
| 16:25.02 | xtor_ | and yes I had two NICs |
| 16:25.15 | peterS | slump: right, the sata_sil24 module knows about that chip |
| 16:25.19 | slump | so i'll back later |
| 16:25.33 | xtor_ | the way I solved it...was by specifying the MAC address in /etc/network/interfaces...so it forces it to detect the right one and name it the right thing |
| 16:25.33 | slump | peterS: yeah i tried to load on 2.6.18 but no device recognized :) |
| 16:25.37 | slump | but that's it |
| 16:25.38 | slump | bye |
| 16:25.39 | sine | how the fuck can there be no information in menu.lst |
| 16:25.45 | sine | and no grub.conf |
| 16:25.46 | stew | xtor_: udev > 0.90 is what renames your NICs, the newer kernel you are going to be installing could cuase the device your hard disk is attached to to change |
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| 16:26.05 | xtor_ | stew I am not installing a newer kernel...I already have 2.6 |
| 16:26.22 | stew | xtor_: you would be if you were actually following the upgrade procedure |
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| 16:26.24 | themill | xtor_: but you'll be getting a newer 2.6.xyz |
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| 16:26.56 | themill | stew: true, although 4.1 is backup which he can still do, 4.2 and 4.3 he can still do now and 4.4 is needed in this case (that was the initial problem!), can't he? |
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| 16:27.14 | stew | xtor_: (that would be step 4.5.4) |
| 16:27.28 | xtor_ | themill yes but would it not see my drive as /dev/hdc as before? |
| 16:27.30 | stew | themill: yes |
| 16:27.38 | AbsintheSyringe | does any of you know any linux tool for "converting" your cellphone to webcam? |
| 16:27.40 | stew | xtor_: it might be, for instance, /dev/sda |
| 16:27.41 | xtor_ | or would it suddenly start seeing it as /dev/hda ????? |
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| 16:28.12 | xtor_ | stew...so the key would be then...to not reboot? Every? Unless someone was there to take care of problems? |
| 16:28.15 | peterS | xtor_: hdc would not become hda, but it might become sda or sdb, for example. this is quite likely to happen with kernel 2.6.23, and for certain situations it could happen earlier |
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| 16:28.19 | themill | stew: good news then.... it should be managable (was starting to wonder what was going on here ;) |
| 16:28.44 | xtor_ | peterS but thats only for SATA drives am I right? Not plain IDEs? |
| 16:28.56 | themill | peterS: but on a sarge->etch you're only going to get .18... |
| 16:29.03 | valdyn | xtor_: no, sata drives would already have been sd* |
| 16:29.15 | stew | xtor_: i'd recommend reading the release notes |
| 16:29.25 | asarch | How do you define the path or the enviroment variable for the Java Development Kit (JDK)? |
| 16:29.30 | peterS | xtor_: IDE drives too, depending on the driver situation. for Intel motherboard chipsets, in particular, the SATA driver can also handle legacy interfaces |
| 16:29.31 | stew | xtor_: no, plain IDE drives can show up as /dev/sdX in newer kernls |
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| 16:29.48 | asarch | I would like to install NetBeans and the installer cannot find it |
| 16:29.53 | themill | stew: but not by default under etch |
| 16:29.55 | peterS | xtor_: and in kernel 2.6.23, _all_ ATA devices will be under the auspices of libata (aka /dev/sda) |
| 16:29.55 | xtor_ | stew thats scary |
| 16:30.22 | xtor_ | peters what???????? |
| 16:30.25 | themill | xtor_: bog standard ide hard drives are still hd* under the 2.6.18 kernel in etch |
| 16:30.31 | peterS | !!!!! |
| 16:30.31 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 16:30.36 | stew | themill: i'm not sure. in any case, /dev/hdc could become /dev/hde |
| 16:30.37 | valdyn | most, not all, and depending on configuration |
| 16:31.11 | xtor_ | ok well...its finished its updating/upgrading whatever |
| 16:31.13 | stew | asarch: export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/jdk |
| 16:31.19 | peterS | xtor_: I've switched over already - debian kernel team accidentally released a kernel where all IDE went to libata, and I stuck with that kernel because I actually like it this way |
| 16:31.36 | xtor_ | Linux debian 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:31.42 | xtor_ | that is what it is running now |
| 16:31.49 | themill | stew: I've not seen it on any of my etch boxen with ide hard drives (i.e. none of them changed name... maybe I was lucky ;) |
| 16:31.51 | valdyn | xtor_: that's a sarge kernel |
| 16:32.05 | xtor_ | ok...so I should just leave things as is then...right? |
| 16:32.07 | stew | themill: you probably don't have any with multiple ide cards |
| 16:32.12 | themill | valdyn: yes, we're talking about sarge->etch here |
| 16:32.19 | peterS | xtor_: better long-term plan is to use filesystem labels for mounting. this is what RH has done for many years now, and it avoids all this pretty effectively |
| 16:32.20 | asarch | Thanks stew |
| 16:32.25 | themill | stew: quite correct... |
| 16:32.47 | xtor_ | peterS ahh...so then /etc/fstab has a fallback for /sd versus the /hd? |
| 16:33.11 | stew | xtor_: not a fallback, it just refers to a label or uuid and doesn't care at all about the device names. grub can also do this |
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| 16:33.33 | peterS | xtor_: for example: tune2fs -L root /dev/hda1; sed -i 's:/dev/hda1:LABEL=root:' /etc/fstab |
| 16:33.33 | stew | xtor_: where you would have /dev/hda1 you can have LABEL=rootpartition, for instance |
| 16:33.41 | themill | xtor_: hd* -> sd* is unlikely to affect you here. If you have multiple ide cards in your machine as stew was saying then you've got to think about it. |
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| 16:33.53 | xtor_ | ahhhh ok...sadly I cannot really afford to experiment with grub....its too risky. So perhaps I should just leave my kernel a sarge kernel? |
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| 16:34.26 | peterS | xtor_: why not install an etch kernel anyway? if it doesn't boot, you pick the sarge kernel from grub's menu and call it good |
| 16:34.28 | xtor_ | stew yes but what about mount points...in fstab |
| 16:34.44 | xtor_ | peterS because this is a remote web server accessible only via ssh |
| 16:35.00 | peterS | oh, _any_ kernel upgrade on a box you don't have console access to is risky |
| 16:35.22 | wols | xtor_: no rescue system by the hoster? |
| 16:35.36 | xtor_ | wols...no timely support by the hoster at all |
| 16:35.57 | stew | xtor_: what about mount points? |
| 16:36.02 | xtor_ | what about them? |
| 16:36.11 | stew | xtor_: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 16:36.13 | jeward | How do I make make sure eht0 is always eth0 after an etch upgrade? |
| 16:36.21 | valdyn | jeward: it cant change |
| 16:36.26 | xtor_ | oh..dont the fstab mount points have to be specified as devices |
| 16:36.35 | jeward | valdyn: I thought they sometimes swapped? |
| 16:36.36 | peterS | xtor_: not if they are in the form of LABEL=foo |
| 16:36.41 | xtor_ | stew fallback is still risky when all you got is ssh access |
| 16:36.46 | valdyn | jeward: se /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 16:36.57 | themill | !tell jeward about z25 |
| 16:37.04 | peterS | or UUID=xxxx-yyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzzzz-qqqq-rrrr |
| 16:37.05 | stew | jeward: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-device-reorder |
| 16:37.07 | valdyn | jeward: udev takes care that names are static by MAC |
| 16:37.25 | jeward | valdyn: Okay, that's reassuring. |
| 16:37.39 | valdyn | jeward: it will rename if the name the kernel assigns is 'wrong' |
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| 16:38.15 | jeward | valdyn: I'm rebooting with a post-up 60. |
| 16:38.27 | themill | Anyway, rather than us all playing devils advocate about what *might* go wrong or talking about kernel changes that are post-etch, perhaps we can walk xtor_ through this in a safe way? |
| 16:38.27 | stew | xtor_: well forget the ethernet reordering then, since udev will be broken on your machine anyway |
| 16:38.45 | stew | themill: he doesn't want to do it the safe way |
| 16:38.53 | stew | which is fine, i'll just move on |
| 16:39.03 | themill | stew: he does... |
| 16:39.14 | stew | you could have fooled me |
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| 16:39.17 | xtor_ | stew I already said I have the ethernet labeled by mac address...so its safe |
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| 16:39.55 | xtor_ | themill at this point the safe thing to do seems to be just to leave everything alone...and preferable not even reboot, definately not touch the kernel. |
| 16:39.57 | themill | stew: starting the upgrade was accidental due to the use of stable rather than sarge in the source.list |
| 16:39.58 | jeward | valdyn: Okay, that didn't work. I'll try disabling auto and doing ifup in rc.local. |
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| 16:40.40 | xtor_ | themill I am still not sure what I had in the sources list...how do I check? |
| 16:40.47 | themill | stew: iirc sarge installer used stable rather than sarge in sources.list which was a lovely little time bomb... |
| 16:40.54 | themill | xtor_: it's /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:41.07 | xtor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.15 | xtor_ | and now it stopped |
| 16:41.24 | themill | xtor_: ok. |
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| 16:41.51 | stew | xtor_: you can look in the backup you made in step 4.1.1 |
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| 16:42.13 | xtor_ | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 16:42.14 | xtor_ | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 16:42.15 | xtor_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 16:42.34 | xtor_ | So...that means I got etch deb packages on a sarge kernel now? |
| 16:42.49 | themill | stew: there was never a plan to move to etch at all; just to pick up sarge security updates (which are obviously some way behind atm) |
| 16:43.08 | themill | xtor_: you have a few etch packages and a lot of sarge ones and an etch kernel... yes. |
| 16:43.16 | themill | sarge kernel |
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| 16:43.20 | stew | themill: if he's not trying to upgrade to etch, then what is he doing? |
| 16:43.33 | xtor_ | themill so the etch packages will hopefully be stable with a sarge kernel? |
| 16:43.39 | stew | themill: i was pretty sure that the plan here was to move to etch |
| 16:44.03 | xtor_ | the original plan was just to upgrade all my sarge packages to the latest security and bug releases |
| 16:44.04 | stew | xtor_: udev and anything the depends on udev will not work |
| 16:44.06 | fredl | theres no mythtv backend package for Debian? |
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| 16:44.19 | themill | stew: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade was all he did. The etch thing was definitely not planned which when I realised that was what it was doing I called you and abrotman for some advice on this. |
| 16:44.27 | xtor_ | then...I was also contemplating upgrading to etch but when I heard how dangerous it can be...I decided not to |
| 16:45.05 | stew | xtor_: if you aren't trying to upgrade to etch, what are you trying to do right now? |
| 16:45.27 | axscode | he wants to patch with the latest security. |
| 16:45.32 | themill | trying to work out what the best course of action from now is, I think |
| 16:45.38 | xtor_ | stew I was just updating all my debs to the latest versions |
| 16:45.39 | tarzeau | lozzy: it's a meta-package |
| 16:46.09 | stew | xtor_: in sarge or etch? |
| 16:46.19 | xtor_ | specifically apache 1.3 and php 4.4 |
| 16:46.22 | xtor_ | stew in sarge |
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| 16:47.04 | xtor_ | well it appears that all the patches have done themselves...the apt-get upgrade script has come to a halt |
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| 16:47.47 | stew | xtor_: change any mentions of "stable" to "sarge" in sources.list. then aptitude update ; then run "aptitude", search for those packages, hit enter on them, select the sarge version. do the same for libc6. then search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" |
| 16:48.19 | stew | xtor_: you'll have to fix all of those broken packages manually by hitting enter on them and specifically selecting the sarge version (you will have to do this for any pacakges upgraded to etch) |
| 16:48.27 | stew | xtor_: once you ahve no more broken pacakges, hit 'g' |
| 16:48.37 | xtor_ | stew but if I do that NOW...will my etches downgrade/sidegrade from etch to sarge? |
| 16:48.45 | fredl | hello? There's no mythtv backend for Debian?!?! |
| 16:48.53 | stew | xtor_: yes, which is what you seem to want |
| 16:49.02 | Nigromante | mythtv? |
| 16:49.03 | themill | stew: so downgrading from that first step should work? (I was litterally typing that question to ask you if that were possible) |
| 16:49.06 | stew | fredl: debian doesn't distribute mythtv |
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| 16:49.21 | stew | themill: "from that first step"? |
| 16:49.25 | xtor_ | ok so how do I know if any of my packages are broken? |
| 16:49.40 | stew | xtor_: aptitude search '~b' |
| 16:49.42 | wols | fredl: debian-multimedia.org has it |
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| 16:49.59 | Nigromante | something like tvtime? |
| 16:50.15 | themill | stew: sorry... too many balls in the air at once and not being articulate enough... the first step 4.5.4(.0) the first step where you actually upgrade packages was what I meant. |
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| 16:50.38 | lindenle | I have a web page at work that always requires a password Is there a way to set up a proxy to handle this for me on my machine? (it is using wbauth) |
| 16:50.44 | lindenle | ^^ Webauth |
| 16:50.44 | stew | themill: forget the release notes, he's not trying to upgrade to etch |
| 16:50.53 | xtor_ | now all these etch packages that have installed themselves(and quite a few) are by definition "broken" because they are not sarge packages? |
| 16:51.02 | stew | themill: but yes, a downgrade from his current state is possible |
| 16:51.12 | stew | xtor_: no |
| 16:51.16 | fredl | ah ok, tnx stew/wols |
| 16:51.33 | themill | stew: I know that he's not trying to upgrade... I was just explaining what had happened in those terms as it seemed easiest. Good to know that the downgrade is possible. |
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| 16:51.44 | jeward | valdyn: A coworker upgraded a box to etch about 2 months ago and I found out he did all kinds of changes in /etc/rc?.d to get NFS to start properly. |
| 16:51.58 | xtor_ | So this line should be changed to what? ---> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 16:52.03 | jeward | valdyn: I'd rather avoid that if posible. |
| 16:52.14 | stew | 11:47 < stew> xtor_: change any mentions of "stable" to "sarge" in sources.list. |
| 16:52.17 | themill | xtor_: deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 16:52.32 | themill | but the more important line is the deb line not deb-src |
| 16:52.45 | xtor_ | themill when this box was first installed...was stable = sarge at that time? |
| 16:52.51 | themill | yes |
| 16:52.57 | valdyn | jeward: the rc.local change helped? |
| 16:52.58 | xtor_ | The box was installed by my webhost 1+ years ago |
| 16:53.09 | jeward | valdyn: No. :( |
| 16:53.33 | xtor_ | so the moment that debian switched from sarge to etch as the standard...my packages started getting broken? One by one? With wrong upgrades? |
| 16:53.39 | RichiH | hmm, ouch |
| 16:53.50 | jeward | valdyn: Let me try one more thing. |
| 16:53.51 | stew | xtor_: correct |
| 16:54.13 | fredl | ugh, nothing on debian-multimedia.org in the unstable branch though. |
| 16:54.18 | stew | xtor_: well, no that isn't true, they shouldn't have been getting broken really. but you are going to break them then fix them as part of the downgrade process |
| 16:54.29 | stew | RichiH: it does? where? |
| 16:54.35 | valdyn | jeward: you can do the same or something similar with nfs, deactivate its init scripts and start them manually or via rc.local |
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| 16:54.52 | jeward | valdyn: Hmmm, not that's an idea. |
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| 16:55.02 | jeward | valdyn: now |
| 16:55.10 | valdyn | jeward: rc.local is run last |
| 16:55.16 | RichiH | stew: sudo su; then strings /dev/mem | grep partofyourpass |
| 16:55.31 | RichiH | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=303239 is where i glimpsed that |
| 16:55.34 | stew | RichiH: interesting |
| 16:55.48 | RichiH | stew: i think 'retarded' is the adjective you were looking for |
| 16:55.53 | themill | xtor_: it would seem that you've not done any security updates for around 6 months, btw... otherwise you'd have had this problem then. |
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| 16:56.53 | xtor_ | themill ouch....ok so now I replaced stable with sarge in my sources.list...now should I run the apt-get upgrade again? |
| 16:56.57 | valdyn | RichiH: and that's on slashdot as a security hole? |
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| 16:57.40 | themill__ | wtf? I've grown a long tail! |
| 16:57.49 | fredl | wols: where can I find any instructions on debian-multimedia.org ?!?! |
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| 16:58.18 | fredl | wols: coz I can't find any packages on it anywhere. |
| 16:58.19 | themill | xtor_: follow stew's instructions: aptitude update; aptitude |
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| 16:58.35 | xtor_ | aptitude is the same as apt-get right? |
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| 16:58.42 | stew | xtor_: no, its not |
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| 16:59.06 | RichiH | valdyn: multi-user system where more than one person has root? |
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| 16:59.23 | themill | xtor_: yes. wrong. Please follow the instructions carefully. |
| 16:59.35 | RichiH | valdyn: also, swapfile |
| 17:00.22 | themill | xtor_: aptitude can do two things: it is a *better* *replacement* for apt-get for command line stuff and it is also a text-mode (curses) user interface that allows you to work interactively. |
| 17:00.27 | jeward | Portmap has to be started before or after nfs? |
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| 17:00.47 | RichiH | valdyn: also, suspend-to-disk |
| 17:01.16 | xtor_ | themill well I did an aptitude update just now, followed by an aptitude upgrade and it wanted to upgrade my kernel, so I aborted |
| 17:01.38 | themill | xtor_: where in stew's instructions did it tell you to do an aptitude upgrade? |
| 17:02.00 | xtor_ | oops...you are correct |
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| 17:02.45 | fredl | wols, is debian-multimedia.org some sort of hoax? |
| 17:03.30 | fredl | or is it just taken offline? |
| 17:03.37 | stew | fredl: its broken |
| 17:03.42 | wols | it's neither but has DNS/server problems today |
| 17:03.55 | themill | xtor_: btw you probably will need some sort of kernel upgrade as there have been one (or more) security updates to the kernel in the last few months, but they *should* be quite safe updates. i.e. it will still be a 2.6.8 kernel with extra patches. |
| 17:04.06 | fredl | ah I see. coz google seems to have a cache index page... |
| 17:04.31 | peppe | fredl: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:lxql4DgWmO8J:www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php+debian+multimedia+mirrors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=iceweasel-a |
| 17:04.32 | fredl | it mentions something about putting google ads on the site because of huge bandwidth costs. |
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| 17:05.00 | xtor_ | themill...hrmm...can I ask what the vulnerabilities were? DDOS or compromise? |
| 17:05.02 | wols | fredl: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists/ |
| 17:05.09 | peppe | yeah but maybe it's under some kind of migration |
| 17:05.43 | themill | xtor_: have a look at the DSAs on security.debian.org |
| 17:05.43 | fredl | tnx wols |
| 17:05.48 | stew | xtor_: http://security.debian.org will tell you |
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| 17:07.27 | fredl | so what exactly should I put in my sources.list then? I have deb http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists/sid/ unstable main |
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| 17:07.41 | karsten | What's a Linux netmeeting client? |
| 17:07.44 | fredl | this gives some files.... |
| 17:07.54 | themill | karsten: ekiga |
| 17:07.57 | fredl | but I'm not fully sure how to read those sources.list lines. |
| 17:08.18 | fredl | wait there's prolly a man page... |
| 17:08.31 | faust_ | fredl, the first word defines if it's a package repo or a source repo. deb or deb-src. |
| 17:08.39 | faust_ | The second entry is the url for the repo. |
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| 17:08.51 | faust_ | third is the release, and then there's the package sets you want from that release. |
| 17:08.54 | themill | karsten: you know that netmeeting is a pig with NATs, don't you.... |
| 17:09.09 | karsten | themill: LAN/WAN |
| 17:09.16 | defrysk | fredl, I have deb http://ftp.uni-kl.de/debian-multimedia/ testing main |
| 17:09.19 | faust_ | so in your case, you're getting the precompiled main packages for Debian Unstable from sunet |
| 17:09.22 | defrysk | and its fast |
| 17:09.30 | faust_ | sunet is pretty damn fast too. |
| 17:09.35 | faust_ | swedish university network. |
| 17:09.37 | defrysk | faust_, sure is |
| 17:09.58 | themill | karsten: should be fine then... even M$ ditched it as they couldn't make it work :) |
| 17:09.58 | fredl | Hmm then the line I just pasted looks good though.. |
| 17:10.04 | defrysk | but its a quick examlpe deriver from my own sources.list |
| 17:10.11 | defrysk | derived* |
| 17:10.14 | fredl | oh no I guess not... |
| 17:10.18 | karsten | themill: I just need the desktop share part, not the voice part. |
| 17:10.22 | peppe | yeah, but try to use a mirror *physically near* you |
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| 17:10.50 | defrysk | sweden germany all close enough |
| 17:10.51 | fredl | ah got it |
| 17:10.52 | themill | karsten: hmm... don't know if ekiga does the desktop share bit though... it's too long since I've looked at it |
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| 17:11.15 | ptp | DEBIAN SUX |
| 17:11.17 | ptp | DEBIAN SUX |
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| 17:11.31 | defrysk | how original |
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| 17:11.47 | faust_ | Truly a meaningful contribution to the debate :D |
| 17:11.47 | wols | Nuxis: what did you do? |
| 17:11.59 | wols | ptp [i=nuxis |
| 17:11.59 | karsten | No, it apts. |
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| 17:12.17 | fredl | somebody should tell ptp that Debian is a girl. |
| 17:12.26 | defrysk | ptp has a bad aptitude |
| 17:12.26 | rellis | Wow, ptp has changed my entire view of Debian. |
| 17:12.31 | rellis | heh |
| 17:12.40 | wols | if anything, debian is a transvestite |
| 17:12.40 | _prsr_ | same here |
| 17:12.43 | _prsr_ | i'm switching to vista right now |
| 17:12.55 | themill | I was enlightened. My life was changed... I SEE THE LIGHT! |
| 17:13.04 | karsten | _prsr_: CPM is teh b0mb |
| 17:13.17 | themill | bastard |
| 17:13.31 | troubled | wtf didnt you guys tell me that debian sux? I better go uninstall it asap |
| 17:13.37 | wols | you stand in front of a train and I am the bastard? |
| 17:13.51 | karsten | troubled: Yeah, man, I've wasted like the last 8 years of my life. |
| 17:13.53 | troubled | dondelelcaro: msg for in #-bots |
| 17:14.02 | fredl | hmm uni-kl.de is apparently more up-to-date than sunet. |
| 17:14.13 | wols | karsten: you're on irc that long? |
| 17:14.17 | troubled | karsten: i, i know :( |
| 17:14.21 | defrysk | fredl, germans are punctual :D |
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| 17:14.47 | troubled | wols: and you havent? :) |
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| 17:15.24 | fredl | defrysk - well as long as the Germans also say not against the EU constitution... :P |
| 17:15.28 | ShadowMajestic | can perl use sendmail? |
| 17:15.37 | defrysk | themill, as long as we forget about the worldcup finale of '74 I'm happy with germany |
| 17:15.42 | wols | ShadowMajestic: yes |
| 17:15.48 | ShadowMajestic | cool thx |
| 17:15.53 | wols | fredl: that doesn't exist |
| 17:16.02 | wols | so why would anyone say anything against it? |
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| 17:16.07 | dondelelcaro | troubled: yeah, will be a bit |
| 17:16.15 | troubled | dondelelcaro: no rush |
| 17:16.15 | fredl | wols - they're making it. |
| 17:16.18 | defrysk | EU is a constipation , not a constitution |
| 17:16.21 | themill | ahh... doesn't it always come back to football... |
| 17:16.25 | karsten | wols: no, just Debian. IRC since about 2001. |
| 17:16.33 | wols | the constitution is dead. it's a simple treaty now :) |
| 17:16.50 | wols | karsten: relax. you only wasted 6 years then |
| 17:16.58 | defrysk | altho Neeli smith kroes rocks with hurting Microsoft |
| 17:17.05 | karsten | wols: No, on IRC, one year is five, so that's thirty. |
| 17:17.08 | fredl | wols: that's what the politicians would have you believe. There's 5% textual change to what they called a constitution. |
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| 17:17.15 | wols | defrysk: peanuts |
| 17:17.32 | fredl | and now they say (here in the Netherlands) 'it's no constitution anymore so no public vote' |
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| 17:17.43 | defrysk | wols, peanuts are very unhealthy if you have to swallow too many |
| 17:17.51 | fl4me | Where can I download a iso image of debian with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:18.02 | jetscreamer | !sarge |
| 17:18.02 | dpkg | somebody said sarge was Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:18.18 | karsten | fl4me: Current stable is 2.6 code. Try oldstable. |
| 17:18.19 | fl4me | is that it? |
| 17:18.20 | themill | wols: not only bad at maths, but works on crypto... |
| 17:18.21 | fredl | But anyway, enough politics. |
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| 17:20.01 | fl4me | karsten: Okay, i was just recommended to try out 2.4 because of this old machine that panics all the time |
| 17:20.01 | jeward | Okay, more pieces of the puzzle. |
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| 17:20.20 | jeward | There a re a great deal of nfs startup scripts that are missing. |
| 17:20.50 | jeward | Not sure if they are not part of sarge or what. |
| 17:21.03 | stew | jeward: which scripts? |
| 17:21.14 | jeward | Let me check. |
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| 17:22.10 | NiLon | if I have installed packet via apt, how I can reconfigure it? |
| 17:22.11 | jeward | stew: Well, on second look, that's not true either. :( |
| 17:22.20 | karsten | fl4me: In general, you should be able to run more recent kernels fine on older HW. If the HW is faulty, it's to blame, not the kernel. |
| 17:22.29 | stew | NiLon: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
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| 17:22.43 | jeward | stew: I thought I'd found a difference in the nfs scripts between a sarge->etch upgrade and a freash etch install. |
| 17:22.45 | NiLon | and can I put "switch" to that? |
| 17:22.57 | wols | defrysk: one penaut like this every 6 years is pocket change for MS |
| 17:22.57 | stew | NiLon: what do you mean? |
| 17:23.09 | wols | their lawyers in this trial probably cost more |
| 17:23.11 | fl4me | karsten: Okay, I've kinda tried everything, am getting this "Spurious ACK on isa0060/seri0"-error all over |
| 17:23.23 | fl4me | Just looking for a quick solution |
| 17:23.31 | NiLon | stew I need to add --enable-maintainer-zts switch to it |
| 17:23.39 | NiLon | kind of need to be rebuild |
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| 17:24.06 | jeward | stew: I see nfs-common in rc2.d, but nfsmount* is in rcS.d? |
| 17:24.27 | jeward | stew: Doesn't that mean it's going to start mounting before nfs-common is loaded? |
| 17:24.27 | stew | NiLon: oh, that is different, /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
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| 17:25.22 | stew | jeward: do you not have /etc/rcS.d/S44nfs-common ? |
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| 17:25.57 | Azar | hahaha someone finds Debian "bloated" and "sluggish"... |
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| 17:26.08 | jeward | stew: Correct. |
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| 17:26.19 | defrysk | Azar, some even say it SUX |
| 17:26.20 | jeward | stew: I'll make it and see if that fixes things. |
| 17:26.54 | Azar | nobody forces them to install with desktop eh |
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| 17:27.36 | Azar | is gnome and kde that gases the Debian |
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| 17:27.52 | Ronin | gases the debian? |
| 17:27.57 | dalias | it would be nice if debian had an easy way for new users to install a nonbloat desktop |
| 17:28.18 | Ronin | ack this old arguement again? |
| 17:28.22 | stew | dalias: there is an xfce install disk |
| 17:28.28 | troubled | dalias: its called the console ;) |
| 17:28.29 | Azar | "But somehow, through the course of time, user friendly has become synonymous with bloat." << right on |
| 17:28.52 | Azar | Ronin, gases > bloats |
| 17:28.57 | Azar | err = |
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| 17:29.02 | fl4me | hmm, its no prob to make a bootable cd out of a CD-RW I guess? |
| 17:29.08 | fl4me | im out of ordinary cd-r's |
| 17:29.22 | Nuxis | how do I check or direct rendering is enabled (I always forgot it) |
| 17:29.29 | dalias | azar, user friendly and bloat are not synomymous |
| 17:29.31 | dalias | they're opposites |
| 17:29.38 | stew | Nuxis: glxinfo |
| 17:29.46 | Azar | dalias: depends on what one means by "user friendly" |
| 17:29.55 | jeward | stew: That didn't help and it also doesn't exist on other etch boxes I have. |
| 17:29.56 | Nuxis | don't have it |
| 17:30.04 | dalias | for instance kword is much more user-friendly than openoffice |
| 17:30.08 | dalias | and 1/10 the bloat |
| 17:30.08 | Azar | most think of user friendly when you get a desktop full of icons |
| 17:30.11 | Nuxis | kk I got it mesa-utils |
| 17:30.20 | dalias | desktop full of icons is not friendly at all |
| 17:30.21 | Nuxis | tnx |
| 17:30.25 | dalias | it's confusing and overwhelming to newbies |
| 17:30.30 | stew | jeward: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 17:30.43 | Nuxis | woot direct renderin: yes |
| 17:30.48 | Azar | dalias: in their retarded ways of thinking, if it does not look like windows is not user friendly |
| 17:30.59 | jeward | stew: After an etch upgrade, the systems hang at portmap startup. |
| 17:31.14 | jeward | stew: I've tracked it down to NFS. |
| 17:31.19 | dalias | azar, it's not |
| 17:31.23 | stew | jeward: is hostname resolution working at that point? |
| 17:31.30 | jeward | stew: If I comment the remote filesystems out of fstab, it boots fine. |
| 17:31.46 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.48 | dalias | windows nerds find windows easy, everyone normal finds it confusing and overwhelming |
| 17:31.52 | jeward | stew: I'm not sure, the fstab entries are IP addresses. |
| 17:31.54 | stew | jeward: does "getent hosts localhost" return quickly? or does it take a while? |
| 17:32.06 | dalias | azar, yes he's a fucking windows nerd, not a normal new computer user |
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| 17:32.30 | jeward | stew: Instant after trhe system boots. |
| 17:32.46 | jeward | stew: Not sure at the portmap section of startup. |
| 17:32.59 | Azar | dalias: the "user friendly" - you like it or not - is measured on how much it "looks like" windows, that's the yard stick of the masses |
| 17:33.16 | dalias | nope |
| 17:33.33 | Azar | dalias: get out of your box and smell the world |
| 17:33.33 | dalias | the number of people who are skilled at using windows is very very low |
| 17:33.44 | dalias | maybe 10-15% of the people who use it |
| 17:33.55 | dalias | to the rest, "computers are confusing and hard to learn" |
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| 17:33.59 | dalias | "why did i get a virus?" |
| 17:34.05 | dalias | "which icon do i click?" |
| 17:34.06 | cahoot | and furthermore off topic |
| 17:34.12 | jeward | stew: Any other ideas? |
| 17:34.12 | dalias | "do i have to double click that or just one click?" |
| 17:34.13 | dalias | etc. |
| 17:34.39 | stew | jeward: see if hostname resolution is working quickly at the time portmap starts, make sure your interfaces are actually up at the time portmap starts |
| 17:34.49 | Azar | dalias: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3276 |
| 17:34.52 | py__ | is there a way to get sed to edit a file "in place", eg not forcing me to redirect to another file, and replace the original with the new afterwards? |
| 17:34.57 | jeward | stew: Should I stick something in the portmap start script? |
| 17:35.01 | stew | py__: -i |
| 17:35.26 | stew | jeward: yes, stick "ip a ; time getent hosts localhost" before it actually does anything |
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| 17:35.45 | jeward | stew: Check, brb. |
| 17:35.48 | py__ | stew: damn, I have the man page in front of myself, and overlooked that one... thanks for the info! |
| 17:36.16 | dalias | azar, that person is stupid. the default install contains _nothing_ beyond what's needed to boot and run apt-get |
| 17:36.27 | dalias | azar, if they installed some crap from tasksel it's their fault |
| 17:36.54 | Azar | I was rather thinking about Debian Etch defaults... |
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| 17:37.18 | Azar | people should first read and learn about the installer options before installing I guess |
| 17:37.32 | stew | that guy has valid points |
| 17:37.39 | stew | but this is not really helpful to discuss here |
| 17:37.45 | m1ke_1 | i read that gnome 2.20 was already in sid repo's, but an apt-cache lists only 2.18...who's right? |
| 17:37.57 | jeward | /etc/init.d/portmap: line 2: ip: command not found |
| 17:37.57 | jeward | /etc/init.d/portmap: line 2: getent: command not found |
| 17:38.00 | Azar | one thing I can say, I flunked the Sarge installer because I did not know at the time that I can pick options from the installer |
| 17:38.04 | dalias | the idiot who wrote the article is a gentoo ricer |
| 17:38.08 | Azar | oh stew sorry |
| 17:38.09 | jeward | stew: I'll put in paths. |
| 17:38.11 | Azar | ok |
| 17:38.13 | stew | m1ke_1: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.20-unstable-2007-09-24-23-23 |
| 17:38.16 | dalias | and thinks his CFLAGS and USE options make his linux run faster.... |
| 17:38.18 | Azar | sorry Ronin |
| 17:38.30 | stew | dalias: please drop it |
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| 17:38.42 | dalias | gentoo is the ultimate in slowness because it's constantly at 5.0 cpu load avg from compiling :) |
| 17:38.57 | stew | dalias: you have no basis on which to judge this person's intelligence, and doing so is worthless here |
| 17:38.58 | dalias | even if you compiled 24/7 you could never stay up-to-date |
| 17:38.59 | m1ke_1 | stew: right...thats where i read it...is it true? or am i reading it wrong? |
| 17:39.00 | stew | dalias: please keep it on topic |
| 17:39.05 | jeward | stew: I don't seem to have an ip command, do I need it? |
| 17:39.07 | stew | m1ke_1: you read it wrong |
| 17:39.11 | stew | m1ke_1: its only partially in |
| 17:39.13 | dalias | i'm done |
| 17:39.23 | m1ke_1 | thanks! ill wait then |
| 17:39.28 | stew | jeward: you can use "ifconfig -a" instead (or install iproute) |
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| 17:39.57 | jeward | stew: Oh, I see what you're trying to do. |
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| 17:40.50 | jeward | stew: I put in pathed ifconfig and getent, reboting. |
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| 17:42.02 | Gm4n | how do I view my partitions, and how much free space I have on them? |
| 17:42.10 | stew | jeward: oh, if you haven't already, you should probably turn on bootlogging: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 17:42.12 | Azar | did buxy made the new dpkg? cos it bears his nick |
| 17:42.15 | valdyn | Gm4n: 'df' |
| 17:42.37 | Gm4n | thanks, valdyn :) |
| 17:43.01 | stew | Azar: http://changelogs.debian.net/dpkg ? |
| 17:43.04 | jeward | stew: K. |
| 17:43.18 | Azar | hey, thanks stew! :) |
| 17:43.31 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.36 | jeward | Ooops. |
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| 17:44.49 | jeward | stew: Okay, eth1 is NOT configured at portmap startup. getent returns in 5 milliseconds. |
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| 17:45.14 | stew | jeward: were you expecting eth1 to be configured? |
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| 17:45.25 | jeward | stew: Yes, it is set to configure. |
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| 17:46.22 | richd | question, if i chroot, how can I access the real system best? |
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| 17:46.40 | jeward | stew: Though trying to fix this yesterday, I'd turned auto off. I've turned it back on and am rebooting to test. |
| 17:46.47 | richd | (building a live flash drive) |
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| 17:47.31 | jeward | stew: That does seem to be the whole problem though, eth1 is not configuring before portmap starts. I've even tried a post-up sleep 60. |
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| 17:48.34 | jeward | stew: Rebooted with auto eth1 and it's still not configured at the startup of portmap. |
| 17:48.38 | stew | jeward: is eth1 static or dhcp? |
| 17:48.47 | jeward | stew: static. |
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| 17:49.00 | cur4tor | hi there guys. listen : libstdc++.so.5(CXXABI_1.2) is needed but i only have the libstdc++.so.6.0.8 . someone told me to 'symbolic link' it, but that doesnt work.. i also think to link it, isnt the best way.... is it? thanks in advance. |
| 17:49.16 | stew | jeward: is the module for the ethernet card listed in /etc/modules? |
| 17:49.35 | jeward | stew: eth0 is the same card and it configures fine, let me check. |
| 17:49.54 | stew | jeward: does "ifup eth1" suceed or fail? |
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| 17:50.17 | jeward | stew: It succeeds from the command line. e1000 is not in /etc/modules. |
| 17:50.29 | stew | jeward: you have two identical cards? |
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| 17:50.44 | jeward | stew: Correct. |
| 17:51.03 | stew | i have no idea then, doesn't seem to make much sense |
| 17:51.12 | stew | jeward: can you show us your interfaces files ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:51.12 | jeward | stew: Damn. |
| 17:51.24 | jeward | stew: I hoped you'd know. |
| 17:51.33 | jeward | stew: One sec. |
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| 17:51.36 | sixty6billy | hi, eth0, 1 .. refer to ethernet devices, what does sit0, 1 ,... refer to? |
| 17:51.54 | stew | sixty6billy: ipv4-ipv6 bridge |
| 17:52.01 | sixty6billy | cheers |
| 17:52.27 | jeward | stew: http://paste.debian.net/38080 |
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| 17:53.29 | jeward | 06:07.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541GI/PI Gigabit Ethernet Cont) |
| 17:53.30 | jeward | 07:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541GI/PI Gigabit Ethernet Cont) |
| 17:53.34 | stew | jeward: that alll looks fine (although you should not bother with network or broadcast) |
| 17:53.39 | stew | jeward: i'd file a bug against ifupdown |
| 17:53.59 | stew | jeward: does "/etc/init.d/networking restart" leave both configured or only one? |
| 17:54.19 | jeward | stew: How do I do that and would I get a soultion in a timely manner? These are production servers. |
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| 17:54.29 | jeward | stew: One sec. |
| 17:54.45 | stew | jeward: /msg dpkg reportbug ; probably not |
| 17:55.09 | jeward | stew: restart configures both. |
| 17:55.25 | stew | jeward: in fact. if this is stable, there is no way this would be fixe in stable |
| 17:55.33 | jeward | Should I try configuring it in the portmap script? |
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| 17:56.41 | stew | jeward: figuring out why /etc/init.d/networking isn't configuring it would be better |
| 17:56.44 | stew | jeward: you might check the bts |
| 17:56.50 | jeward | stew: I stuck an ifup eth1 in the portmap script... |
| 17:57.02 | jeward | stew: Just as a test. |
| 17:57.11 | jeward | stew: bts? |
| 17:57.18 | stew | jeward: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:58.19 | jeward | stew: That totally fixes it. |
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| 17:59.11 | stew | jeward: please report this: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 17:59.49 | stew | or someone bug madduck to implement netconf |
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| 18:00.06 | jeward | stew: Will do, what package would I report/check for bts entries? |
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| 18:00.37 | stew | jeward: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:00.49 | jeward | stew: Right, but which package is bugged? |
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| 18:00.54 | stew | jeward: ifupdown |
| 18:00.59 | jeward | stew: Thanks. |
| 18:01.07 | yang | I wonder how do I select default kernel in GRUB? |
| 18:01.09 | shorewallbeginne | You have probly have this topic many hundred time ... but some chance to improve putty ... if you run for exampel nano .. the text will mess upp all the time ... |
| 18:01.19 | yang | how does it autoselect? |
| 18:01.43 | stew | jeward: please include the interfaces file, the symptoms and what you did to fix it, and the fact that /etc/init.d/networking restart leaves both configured |
| 18:02.01 | jeward | stew: Will do. |
| 18:02.09 | jeward | And etch==stable, right? |
| 18:02.14 | stew | jeward: thanks. yes. |
| 18:02.40 | stew | yang: grep "^default" /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:03.27 | stew | shorewallbeginne: can you be more descriptive than "mess upp all the time" |
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| 18:03.37 | yang | thanks stew as always :) |
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| 18:05.05 | shorewallbeginne | stew: when you open the file ... nano index.php and change something it will start to write everywhere .... |
| 18:05.07 | blaembel | hi everyone. is it safe to do a dist-upgrade from within screen? |
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| 18:05.13 | yang | stew: i have "default 0" but i dont know to which kernel it relates... |
| 18:05.25 | stew | yang: 0 is the first, 1 is the second... |
| 18:05.47 | stew | blaembel: yes |
| 18:06.15 | Azar | blaembel: when you dist-upgrade is safer to have the least applications running, X included |
| 18:06.16 | blaembel | stew: that's good to hear, since i'm thinking about doing dist-upgrade via ssh |
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| 18:06.52 | stew | blaembel: in fact, i'd recommend running it in screen |
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| 18:09.46 | Azar | stew, what is screen? |
| 18:09.59 | stew | Azar: the best unix utility ever |
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| 18:10.39 | stew | Azar: its what would let him reconnect to his running dist-upgrade if he were to, for some reason, lose his ssh connection or close whatever xterm he was running it in |
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| 18:10.45 | stew | Azar: and have bigger scrollback |
| 18:10.46 | g_re | How to activate the port multiplier in linux ? |
| 18:11.16 | g_re | I mean we've got some sata ports, which need the port multiplier activated ... |
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| 18:11.25 | g_re | I can do it in windows, but don't know how to do it in linux |
| 18:11.53 | silent[ca] | hey guys, I'm having trouble connecting wirelessly at my school. In windows it works as such... I connect to the wireless, open a browser to login, and I'm granted dhcp (i presume). On debian I can't even get my wireless to run. Using the default connection manager there is no wireless networking. However, when I'm at home I can connect to my home wireless. I think this may have something to do with a config file to preconfigure wireless ne |
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| 18:12.39 | jeward | stew: Bug reported! Thanks so much! |
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| 18:13.43 | simon23 | hi - how can i find out which "codename" my version has? |
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| 18:13.57 | silent[ca] | Azar, screen is an amazing utility. I assume most people use it to provide some ease of use in desktop command line systems, however, I use it to allow processes to continue running, attachable at any time, even when I end the session. |
| 18:14.16 | silent[ca] | (ssh from server) |
| 18:14.43 | silent[ca] | i run 4 servers all accessable using sshd/screen |
| 18:14.51 | shamrock | what must I do to get java plugins to install on IceWeasel in AMD64 Debian Lenny? It always says "manual install" and then "not available". |
| 18:15.17 | th0ger | What happened to www.debian-multimedia.org? Only empty dirs are available. and i think they used to have a html-page also. |
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| 18:15.27 | stew | shamrock: you have to get someone to write one |
| 18:15.27 | jelly-home | shamrock: that might be because there is no sun's java plugin for x86-64 linux yet |
| 18:15.31 | hark | shamrock: there's no 64 bit sun java plugin |
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| 18:16.26 | jelly-home | shamrock: you can work around it by using a 32bit browser in a chroot... I just booted back to i386 :-| |
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| 18:16.40 | bulio| | if I have a 64-bit CPU, what gains to I get by running debian x64? |
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| 18:17.15 | silent[ca] | small boost in performance |
| 18:17.20 | jelly-home | bulio|: you can easily use more than 4GB of memory |
| 18:17.28 | silent[ca] | also, more memory addressing |
| 18:17.54 | shamrock | this really pees me off. I was told by loads of people that it all just worked. No reliable flash/java in a browser on a desktop is ridiculous. AArgh. I think its time to reformat and move back to i386 :( |
| 18:18.13 | bulio| | I'm gonna switch from opensuse 10.3 to debian on a laptop |
| 18:18.18 | bulio| | lots of problems with opensuse |
| 18:18.19 | wols | bulio|: you also gain headaches with 32bit chroots and such if you run a desktop |
| 18:18.26 | jelly-home | shamrock: trust... but verify. |
| 18:18.28 | shamrock | bulio|: none that you will worry about believe me. Just difficulties with some major functionalities. |
| 18:18.32 | wols | bulio|: stay with 32bit then |
| 18:18.37 | Azar | so what is the difference between switching screens and terminals (from Fn - to Fx)? |
| 18:18.40 | shamrock | jelly-home: thats the truth. |
| 18:18.44 | bulio| | wols: why? |
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| 18:19.01 | wols | bulio|: read what shamrock just said |
| 18:19.30 | shamrock | gah. I really thought I was being a bit of a pioneer here :( Oh well. |
| 18:19.52 | silent[ca] | shamrock, you will always encounter problems in linux. And chances are some one else has experienced the same thing. Unless people continue to ask questions and push for progress, linux development will slow. |
| 18:19.55 | hark | th0ger: yeah, seems to be a problem with it, maybe try another mirror or just wait i guess |
| 18:20.27 | th0ger | hark: list of mirrors? |
| 18:20.52 | shamrock | silent[ca]: believe me I have done loads of contributions back. But at the end of the day I want my desktop working. If fewer people told little fibs and siad "it all works" then it would be better since people wouldnt get disenchanted with their first foray into new things like amd64 :( |
| 18:20.53 | silent[ca] | can anyone point me to the current best option for a wireless networking utility (64 bit / gnome) |
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| 18:21.08 | shamrock | silent[ca]: for what? |
| 18:21.14 | wols | http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists |
| 18:21.23 | wols | shamrock: who told you it would work? |
| 18:21.33 | jelly-home | shamrock: I got some free time... flash mostly works (flashplugin-nonfree package wraps the 32bit binary to it can be used in at least some browsers), but no java plugin. |
| 18:21.38 | silent[ca] | manipulation of network adapters, available wireless connections, saving network settings |
| 18:21.41 | silent[ca] | connecting |
| 18:21.48 | shamrock | wols: no one you know. I was reading some news groups. |
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| 18:21.58 | shamrock | anyway, thanks for the info. reinstall time. |
| 18:22.07 | silent[ca] | something similar to the network connections utilities in windows (2000/xp, vista is a steaming pile of crap) |
| 18:22.23 | jelly-home | shamrock: some other distro might have made it work, but not debian afaik |
| 18:22.24 | ameyer | s/vistaa/windows/ ;) |
| 18:22.28 | shamrock | silent[ca]: whats wrong with the normal adminstration network tool? |
| 18:22.35 | ameyer | erm, vista, not vistaaa |
| 18:22.37 | shamrock | or networkmanager? |
| 18:22.57 | ameyer | fsck it, terrible laptop keyboard |
| 18:23.02 | wols | silent[ca]: there is only gnome network manager |
| 18:23.04 | shamrock | jelly-home: I wonder if Ubuntu Feisty has it working? I will check. |
| 18:23.06 | wols | and debian uses /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:23.09 | wols | man interfaces |
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| 18:23.18 | silent[ca] | I'm running my wireless through ndiswrapper, the wireless is active at my house, but it is disabled for some reason when I'm around a public access point |
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| 18:23.38 | silent[ca] | when I click on connections, it has wired, no wireless |
| 18:23.44 | silent[ca] | where at home I have both |
| 18:23.45 | jelly-home | silent[ca]: I find editing /etc/network/interface much more friendly than win xp/2003 control panel control (network connections) |
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| 18:24.00 | th0ger | wols: thakns |
| 18:24.06 | Azar | back in the days when I was running Debian without X I used the Fn keys to switch between terminals, is that some sort of "screen" ? |
| 18:24.09 | jelly-home | silent[ca]: yeah, wireless is still a pain that way |
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| 18:24.22 | craigevil | silent[ca]: you could always try network-manager |
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| 18:24.30 | wols | Azar: no |
| 18:24.37 | wols | those are virtual terminals |
| 18:24.39 | silent[ca] | jelly-home, what do I need to add to /interface to get it to detect (unsecured) ssid: airuc |
| 18:24.41 | wols | screen is very different |
| 18:24.52 | Azar | ah, thanks, then I will try screen :) |
| 18:25.22 | silent[ca] | screen is much more advanced |
| 18:25.29 | silent[ca] | very nice utilityy |
| 18:25.51 | jelly-home | silent[ca]: first make your card's drivers work. after that have wireless-tools installed and "man wireless" |
| 18:26.02 | silent[ca] | the drivers work |
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| 18:26.15 | silent[ca] | it detects my home network and connects to it flawlessly |
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| 18:26.29 | silent[ca] | but I have no wireless options when I'm outside the range of my home network |
| 18:26.44 | silent[ca] | (still near a public wireless access point) |
| 18:26.50 | silent[ca] | I'm on it right now in windoze |
| 18:27.12 | jelly-home | silent[ca]: eh, if you want more user friendly detection and switching you might really want to try network-manaer |
| 18:27.16 | jelly-home | g |
| 18:27.18 | linc | i have a simple question and i've read just about everything for it. i think the problem is i don't understand wtf i'm reading. ok so i'm just trying to create a share in samba |
| 18:27.19 | rmaj | how can I set my VT font/mode to be around 100x25 or something simmilar? |
| 18:27.48 | silent[ca] | ok, I'll give it a try, is there a way to download it and all of its dependencies? I need to install from my ntfs partition (no networking other than wireless avail) |
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| 18:28.27 | silent[ca] | linc, use swat, it will save you sooo much time |
| 18:28.37 | jelly-home | silent[ca]: I know of no simple way to resolve dependencies form outside Debian other than doing it manually |
| 18:28.38 | linc | i've tried using swat |
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| 18:28.51 | silent[ca] | linc, and what happened |
| 18:28.52 | wols | !tell silent[ca] about apt-zip |
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| 18:29.02 | ma3x | why I can't connect to my wireless network? (rt2500) I have specified the key, and even disabled the key, it won't obtain dhcp.. whhy? |
| 18:29.08 | silent[ca] | i'll take a look at that wols, thanks |
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| 18:29.47 | linc | i try to access from my windows machine and i get asked a user name and password and then it wont let me in |
| 18:30.12 | wols | linc: man smbpasswd |
| 18:30.19 | silent[ca] | linc, you need to make sure the user you are connecting with has access to both the files on the system and access to the share |
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| 18:30.28 | linc | i set a user name and password in smbpasswd |
| 18:30.46 | silent[ca] | chown/chmod the files to the user/group |
| 18:31.00 | linc | there are no invaild users for the share |
| 18:31.16 | wols | linc: pastebin your smb.conf |
| 18:31.19 | linc | this is to just browse the shares |
| 18:31.27 | silent[ca] | I have all my users on the same group (sharees:1337) and give them all read/write permissions as the files' group owner, and give separate permissions with swat |
| 18:32.23 | silent[ca] | security is maintained by disabling user-login on the box itself |
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| 18:32.40 | silent[ca] | so they cant access anything other than through smb |
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| 18:32.58 | linc | what if i want to allow guest access |
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| 18:33.10 | silent[ca] | I just created a guest account on the box |
| 18:33.12 | linc | so no user name or password is required |
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| 18:33.27 | silent[ca] | there's an option for that |
| 18:33.32 | linc | k |
| 18:33.36 | silent[ca] | ill check |
| 18:33.51 | silent[ca] | i have a lecture pretty quick here tho so i might have to go |
| 18:34.09 | linc | k |
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| 18:34.17 | rhalff | anyone ext2 fanatic here and recognized whether my ext3 lvm partition survived or not ? >> http://rafb.net/p/5tM42P73.html everything seems fine, but I'm not sure. |
| 18:34.41 | rhalff | -spelling mistakes |
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| 18:35.30 | silent[ca] | linc, you could make a user, guest, on the box and have no password... all people accessing would have to do is type in guest, but you need to have that dialogue appear before it automatically assumes a guest access so you can login as an admin |
| 18:35.40 | ks | how motd.tail is included ? |
| 18:36.06 | silent[ca] | linc, man adduser, make sure you use the --disabled-login option |
| 18:36.07 | ks | can I include random text to motd ? |
| 18:36.22 | linc | silent[ca]: thanks |
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| 18:36.42 | linc | i'll try it out |
| 18:36.44 | silent[ca] | then just create guest through swat with no password and they should be able to access just typing guest in the user field with no pass |
| 18:36.49 | silent[ca] | yea np |
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| 18:42.02 | ks | aah fortune-mod |
| 18:42.14 | neighbors | hmmm, I don't see tomcat6 in the unstable tree does that mean it's quite a ways away from being in the testing tree? |
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| 18:43.12 | philth | Call me stupid, but reading through some of the debian mailing lists I keep seeing the acronym NM, what does it mean? |
| 18:43.23 | stew | !nm |
| 18:43.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 18:44.01 | th0ger | Hey. One line in my sources.list gives me "Couldn't stat source package list...". The line is "deb ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia stable main" The funny thing is, that the exact same line works on another machine. So what could be the difference? |
| 18:44.30 | philth | stew, thanks |
| 18:44.33 | neighbors | different name servers maybe? |
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| 18:45.31 | stew | philth: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint is more informative |
| 18:45.47 | th0ger | neighbors: which i should check with...? ping? |
| 18:46.03 | neighbors | sure |
| 18:46.33 | neighbors | maybe do "apt-config dump" on both machines and see if they have the same Default-Release too |
| 18:46.37 | neighbors | maybe one is set to testing or something |
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| 18:47.24 | th0ger | ping is fine on both machines |
| 18:48.47 | pickcoder | !cow |
| 18:48.47 | dpkg | i heard cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
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| 18:49.54 | SplasPood | Anyone happen to know why debian's php5 module package for apache2 seems to want mpm-prefork rather than mpm-worker ? |
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| 18:50.45 | stew | SplasPood: ask in #debian on irc.debian.org, the php maintainer is there |
| 18:50.58 | SplasPood | heh, ok sounds good |
| 18:50.59 | SplasPood | thanks |
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| 18:51.05 | th0ger | neighbors: apt-config dump mentions nothing about any releases. What shoud i look for? |
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| 18:51.16 | pickcoder | probably b/c PHP is a beast |
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| 18:53.03 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 18:53.44 | SamuraiDio | i'm trying to compile and install the candido gtk2 engine, but after install the theme just dont workls |
| 18:53.52 | eallik | I'm not sure if this is the right place for this, but is there a .deb for mongrel-cluster? |
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| 18:54.07 | eallik | I mean, does anyone know of a place where I can get it.. |
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| 18:54.34 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 18:54.44 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:55.26 | stew | eallik: its not in stable. if you are in stable, you can backport it or 'gem install' it |
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| 18:57.01 | eallik | staw: I'm on unstable |
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| 18:57.19 | stew | eallik: apt-cache show mongrel |
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| 18:57.41 | eallik | well, mongrel exists, but I need mongrel-cluster |
| 18:57.49 | FasterPutty | somoene here use openvpn in bridge mode? |
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| 18:57.59 | eallik | I know there is a FreeBSD port for it so I guessed there was also a .deb |
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| 18:59.23 | py__ | I want ton install a .deb from a script (dpkg -i), but it fails because debconf can't open any frontend for the config. How can I specify the default config I want to be used? |
| 19:00.37 | th0ger | ...speaking about baad mirrors. First debian-multimedia.org is dead. When i finally realize this i switch to another mirror... which also happens to be dead. After 30min of trobleshooting the first mirror is up again. Sigh, it happens too often. |
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| 19:00.55 | stew | py__: DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
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| 19:02.29 | bulio| | !cow |
| 19:02.29 | dpkg | methinks cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
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| 19:02.59 | apspoliveira | hi |
| 19:03.20 | apspoliveira | what's better: toshiba satellite l40 or fujitsu esprimo mobile v5515? |
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| 19:04.42 | py__ | stew: thx. WIthout installing a package, where can I look to see what are the default answers to questions? |
| 19:04.52 | bulio| | does anyone know if debian runs ok on an inspiron 1520 laptop? |
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| 19:05.33 | stew | py__: you could look at the .config and .postinst scripts in the source |
| 19:05.43 | stew | bulio|: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 19:07.16 | wols | !laptop |
| 19:07.16 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 19:07.27 | bulio| | thanks |
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| 19:09.41 | Raphael_S | :P |
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| 19:10.27 | Fuwex | hey guys |
| 19:10.48 | Fuwex | How do I return the amount of used (and free) space of a partition? |
| 19:10.52 | bulio| | but will the debian net install setup things such as wireless card etc.? |
| 19:11.04 | bulio| | opensuse and debian set eveything up fine |
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| 19:11.37 | gkiagia | Fuwex: df -h |
| 19:12.08 | Fuwex | cheers |
| 19:12.29 | Fuwex | huh |
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| 19:13.16 | Fuwex | I have a 400 GB harddrive, but df -h reports the partition as being 350 - is that due to the differnt byte calculations? (1024 vs. 1000) |
| 19:13.26 | Helmi | hey everyone - can anyone image why all my mails from php scripts (drupal, vbulletin) are getting sent out from www-data@[localdomain] ? i'm using postfix |
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| 19:13.29 | sixty6billy | where would i find the linux kernel source dir? |
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| 19:13.50 | bulio| | anyone? |
| 19:13.51 | Helmi | looks like a forced rewrite anywhere |
| 19:14.01 | cahoot | sixty6billy, did you install kernel src? |
| 19:14.15 | Acid___ | Helmi: because apache user is www-data |
| 19:14.16 | gkiagia | Fuwex: yes, it's 350 GiB - 400 GB |
| 19:14.18 | Fuwex | I should still have atleast 370 GB or so though, shouldn't I? :S |
| 19:14.34 | Helmi | Acid___, yeah but this works well on other servers (that it doesn't get forced to this from: address. |
| 19:14.44 | sixty6billy | cahoot: no, looking for it as part of making a driver module. |
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| 19:14.59 | sixty6billy | cahoot: had assumed it was there! |
| 19:15.05 | Helmi | drupal, vbulletin and others do use different senders but somewhat seems to rewrite it, Acid___ |
| 19:15.27 | cahoot | sixty6billy, you might get away with just module-assistant and kernel-headers |
| 19:15.38 | gkiagia | Fuwex: hrm, yes it should be 372 GiB |
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| 19:15.56 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 19:15.59 | Fuwex | gkiagia: any ideas as to where the other 20 are? |
| 19:16.10 | gkiagia | Fuwex: free space? |
| 19:16.28 | cahoot | sixty6billy, I guess kernel-headers-$(uname -r) is enough |
| 19:16.38 | gkiagia | Fuwex: apt-get install gparted and check it out |
| 19:16.39 | Fuwex | gkiagia: no, df -h repots 75 GB used and 274 GB available |
| 19:16.43 | cahoot | err linux-headers... |
| 19:17.00 | Fuwex | gparted - gnome? I don't have an X server as it's a server (I'm on an SSH terminal atm) |
| 19:17.00 | ribnitz | At work a comp with an integrated chipset/onboard graphic is driving me nuts. Its an I845G. Haven't managed to get that thing to use normal fonts. |
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| 19:17.09 | Tramp | Fuwex: What does fdisk -l tell you about your disk? |
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| 19:17.40 | Fuwex | Tramp: Disk /dev/sdb: 400.0 GB, 400087375360 bytes, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 48641 cylinders, Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
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| 19:17.58 | Fuwex | the actual partiion says: /dev/sdb1 1 48641 390708801 83 Linux |
| 19:18.02 | Fuwex | partition* |
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| 19:18.21 | gkiagia | Fuwex: I just remembered |
| 19:18.34 | gkiagia | Fuwex: 20 GB should be the size of the journal |
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| 19:18.45 | gkiagia | Fuwex: you are using ext3 right? |
| 19:18.59 | Fuwex | yes |
| 19:19.06 | coucou747 | salut all |
| 19:19.08 | gkiagia | that's it, the journal |
| 19:19.09 | Fuwex | wow, it uses that much space for the journaling? |
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| 19:19.33 | gkiagia | Fuwex: the size of the journal is dependent on the size of the partition |
| 19:19.52 | Fuwex | yeah, but stil |
| 19:19.55 | Fuwex | still |
| 19:20.00 | Fuwex | 20 GB out of 370 GB sounds like alot |
| 19:20.05 | Fuwex | anyway, thanks for helping me out :) |
| 19:20.06 | abrotman | pipeline: are you in muncie? |
| 19:20.49 | gkiagia | Fuwex: I have a 76 GB reiserfs partition that shows up as 72 GB |
| 19:21.05 | Fuwex | ok |
| 19:21.08 | ribnitz | gkiagia: Gib vs GB? |
| 19:21.36 | stew | !390708801 * (1024/1000) |
| 19:21.36 | dpkg | 400085812.224000036716 |
| 19:22.01 | Fuwex | Well, I'll be off then - again, thanks for your help |
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| 19:22.05 | stew | !390708801 * (1024*1024/1000/1000) |
| 19:22.05 | dpkg | 409687871.717375993729 |
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| 19:22.11 | gkiagia | ribnitz: I don't think so |
| 19:22.26 | gkiagia | but I'll double check |
| 19:22.57 | ribnitz | gkiagia: Imo, ext3 should be limited to boot partition, and there you don't need much more than 250m |
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| 19:24.34 | mikefoo | I have a sata drive and it comes up as /dev/hda, shouldn't it come up as /dev/sda? Whats the logic behing that? |
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| 19:25.13 | ribnitz | mikefoo: that very much depends on the controller. |
| 19:25.14 | stew | mikefoo: waht does "uname -r" say? if its 2.4 it would come up as /dev/hda |
| 19:25.25 | ribnitz | mikefoo: and on libata version. |
| 19:25.31 | mikefoo | ohh |
| 19:25.46 | eallik | if I put something in /etc/blabla/conf.d, does it get included in the configuration automatically or do I have to run a script? |
| 19:25.47 | mikefoo | yeah its a 2.4 kernel.. |
| 19:25.55 | mikefoo | all 2.4 come up as hda? |
| 19:25.58 | ribnitz | mikefoo: The switch happened from 2.6.8 to 2.6.9 I think. |
| 19:26.13 | mikefoo | Ahh.. thats explains then. |
| 19:26.13 | scott__ | i'm having issues getting an external monitor to display at 1680x1050 w/a Intel 945 vid card.. i've tried setting modelines and using 915 resolution |
| 19:26.38 | scott__ | it shows up with a width of about 5/6 of the screen and near proper height |
| 19:26.41 | ribnitz | scott__: I am going slighlty crazy with 945 chipset. |
| 19:26.59 | ribnitz | scott__: It does not display good fonts |
| 19:27.20 | scott__ | ribnitz: ah.. haven't really noticed myself |
| 19:27.39 | ribnitz | scott__: at 1280x1024 |
| 19:27.41 | mikefoo | How does the naming scheme of letters work also? hda is secondary and hde is primary, should be other way around, no? Does it assign letters based on anything particular? |
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| 19:28.32 | ribnitz | mikefoo: Thats a combination on where the drives are, when they are loaded, what the bios says, etc. |
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| 19:28.51 | mikefoo | ahh ok makes sense then... |
| 19:29.20 | ribnitz | mikefoo: hda/hdb/hdc/hdd are usually primary/secondary ide, master,slave. |
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| 19:29.55 | ribnitz | mikefoo: so if you have an IDE/ATAPI/PATA in there, that would probably grab hda..hdd |
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| 19:32.00 | Rounin | Hello... I was wondering if anyone knows who maintains the packages for the input method framework IIIMF... Unfortunately it lacks a lot of the available methods, and the ones it has (on Debian) don't work |
| 19:32.09 | Rounin | On the positive side it doesn't work on any other distros either... |
| 19:32.31 | ribnitz | !maint IIIMF |
| 19:32.37 | dpkg | iiimf: Roger So <rogerso@debian.org> |
| 19:32.41 | Rounin | Ah, thanks, ribnitz |
| 19:32.52 | Rounin | What a cool feature |
| 19:33.14 | Rounin | I'll see if I can define the problem a bit better and maybe contact him |
| 19:33.34 | dondelelcaro | Rounin: if they don't work, best thing to do first is file a bug with an error case (if it hasn't already been filed) |
| 19:34.16 | Rounin | It would be possible, but I suspect they work for all the developers, and the potential users just don't know the secret handshake |
| 19:34.32 | Rounin | That's how it seems to be with these things anyway |
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| 19:35.37 | rmaj | can I use the funky opengl desktop stuff on debian yet? with i915 cards |
| 19:35.50 | Rounin | If it didn't work for them either, one would think that they'd have noticed after all theese years |
| 19:35.51 | rmaj | like beryl or aliglx |
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| 19:37.20 | Raphael_S | :P |
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| 19:42.45 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 19:43.11 | fas3r | eap-tls is WPA or WPA2 ? |
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| 19:44.52 | sixty6billy | ls |
| 19:47.21 | kidd | hi |
| 19:48.10 | kidd | If I switch to runlevel 3, usb will be active? |
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| 19:48.31 | Webbmaster | is there a fool proof way to remove misbehaving packages? |
| 19:48.33 | dondelelcaro | kidd: it's always active |
| 19:48.43 | dondelelcaro | Webbmaster: the fool proof way is to fix them. |
| 19:48.52 | fas3r | kidd: yes |
| 19:49.08 | kidd | Thank you guys! |
| 19:49.11 | Webbmaster | dondelelcaro: i can't remove it though :S |
| 19:49.52 | dondelelcaro | Webbmaster: what's the precise error? |
| 19:49.53 | jelly-home | Webbmaster: a related report in the bts might show you the way |
| 19:50.05 | Webbmaster | bts? |
| 19:50.11 | dondelelcaro | Webbmaster: use a paste site to give us the complete output from dpkg or apt-get |
| 19:50.28 | Webbmaster | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:50.40 | Webbmaster | dondelelcaro: okies |
| 19:50.50 | jelly-home | Webbmaster: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org |
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| 19:51.23 | Webbmaster | hmm its actually on ubutuntu :S |
| 19:51.33 | Webbmaster | its jus ti asked here since its apt related |
| 19:51.37 | dondelelcaro | then... you want to talk to #ubuntu |
| 19:51.59 | Webbmaster | hmm ive tried there |
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| 19:52.44 | dondelelcaro | well, they're the ones who'd know. If they don't, use their forums. |
| 19:52.50 | jelly-home | Webbmaster: so search for it on launchpad, then |
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| 19:53.09 | jelly-home | Webbmaster: and of course report if there's no report yet |
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| 19:53.14 | Webbmaster | jelly-home: i think tis a prob with a package, not ubuntus fault |
| 19:53.16 | Webbmaster | http://pastebin.ca/716397 |
| 19:53.30 | jelly-home | Webbmaster: problem w/ package _is_ distro's fault |
| 19:53.36 | Webbmaster | the package that won't go isn't in the official repos |
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| 19:53.39 | Webbmaster | :S |
| 19:53.43 | dondelelcaro | well, unless it's a third party package. |
| 19:53.44 | jelly-home | Webbmaster: duh |
| 19:53.57 | defrysk | tssss |
| 19:54.14 | Sebbecking | Hi there! I have a problem! How is it possible, that df -h shows "17G used" and du / -h shows "3.8G total" I have no Idea where these 14GB should be?! |
| 19:54.24 | dondelelcaro | Webbmaster: fix icedtea-java7-bin's prerm script or remove it. |
| 19:54.34 | fas3r | Webbmaster: run apt-get -f install for install dependencie and after run your apt-get remove icedtea-java7-bin icedtea-java7-jre |
| 19:54.47 | fas3r | maybe it's just a little problem |
| 19:54.51 | ribnitz | how do I burn a bin/cue image onto a disc? |
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| 19:55.03 | jelly-home | ribnitz: cdrdao (or a wrapper around it) |
| 19:55.07 | dondelelcaro | Sebbecking: du only reports undeleted files. df reports unallocated space. |
| 19:55.08 | defrysk | ribnitz, cdrdao write blah.cue |
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| 19:55.33 | ribnitz | defrysk: Is it possible to write a video cd image onto a dvd-rw that way? |
| 19:55.35 | dondelelcaro | Sebbecking: if a file has been deleted but a FD is still open to it, the space isn't unallocated until the FD is closed. That's quite possibly what you're seeing. |
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| 19:56.02 | Sebbecking | @dondelelcaro: How can I fix that? |
| 19:56.14 | dondelelcaro | Sebbecking: close the open FDs. |
| 19:56.17 | defrysk | ribnitz, bin cue on a dvd ? not sure actually , sorry |
| 19:56.18 | wols | Sebbecking: close the FDs |
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| 19:56.32 | ribnitz | defrysk: if it was an iso? |
| 19:56.34 | aqualuk | hi i've a question |
| 19:56.40 | defrysk | ribnitz, get bchunk to convert it to an iso |
| 19:56.53 | ribnitz | !tell aqualuk about ask |
| 19:57.03 | Sebbecking | @dondelelcaro: How to do that? And what do you mean with "FD" ? |
| 19:57.10 | dondelelcaro | !fd |
| 19:57.10 | dpkg | fd is probably at http://www.freedevelopers.net. File Descriptor |
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| 19:57.12 | wols | Sebbecking: file desriptor |
| 19:57.12 | aqualuk | does somebody know why there is no "bluez-pin" in lenny |
| 19:57.30 | wols | !why is bluez-pin not in testing |
| 19:57.30 | dpkg | bluez-pin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bluez-pin |
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| 19:57.46 | dondelelcaro | aqualuk: because there's no bluez-pin in unstable either? |
| 19:57.50 | aqualuk | or what i've to install else |
| 19:57.59 | aqualuk | yes but what can i install |
| 19:58.08 | aqualuk | is there an other package yet? |
| 19:58.09 | Sebbecking | @wols: So, what could be such a possible FD? |
| 19:58.12 | wols | aqualuk: is bluez-pin a binary or a package? |
| 19:58.26 | aqualuk | wols a package |
| 19:58.29 | dondelelcaro | Sebbecking: any program which is running that has a file descriptor open could be it. |
| 19:58.30 | wols | Sebbecking: a file descriptor. a file handle |
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| 19:58.50 | wols | go into /proc/<process id>/fd/ and see |
| 19:58.54 | dondelelcaro | Sebbecking: it's perfectly normal; no point in worrying about it |
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| 19:59.03 | ribnitz | Sebbecking: that thing the apps use to grab files. |
| 19:59.09 | defrysk | ribnitz, http://manual.sidux.com/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm readit and use it |
| 19:59.10 | cahoot | simply running sync won't do? |
| 19:59.16 | oriez\ | for some reason i got banned from #Ubuntu channel, like a week ago and they forgot to take it off WTF Should i do my ubuntu doesn't boot up |
| 19:59.39 | wols | cahoot: how could it. it's an open file. you can't deallocate space while a program has that file still open. |
| 19:59.49 | stew | oriez\: we can't help you with #ubuntu ; ask in #ubuntu-ops |
| 19:59.51 | Sebbecking | Okay, so it's normal. Can I use that space? |
| 20:00.05 | wols | no. that space is allocated |
| 20:00.33 | Sebbecking | But I have no idea, which program has this file-handle. |
| 20:00.38 | wols | Sebbecking: are you currently running a p2p app? |
| 20:00.49 | stew | Sebbecking: "lsof | grep deleted" will list open files that are deleted. |
| 20:00.50 | wols | Sebbecking: check lsof |
| 20:00.59 | Sebbecking | okay, thanks. |
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| 20:03.10 | Sebbecking | "lsof | grep deleted" just showas a few /lib/*.so files |
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| 20:04.58 | ribnitz | Is there an ui abb that would allow to mount iso images, muchj like the "macintosh disk image"? |
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| 20:05.52 | aqualuk | a little question, is there a possibility to enter a pin for my bluetooth connection without bluez-pin |
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| 20:06.34 | Sebbecking | @wols: Is it normal, that "lsof | grep deleted" shows about 7 entrys like "atd 27 daemon mem REG 0,68 91930690 (deleted) /lib/tls/libnss_files-2.3.2.so (stat: No such file or directory)" |
| 20:06.38 | stew | aqualuk: there is a gnome applet |
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| 20:07.06 | aqualuk | stew: hmm i want to use kbluetooth |
| 20:07.14 | aqualuk | stew: but it failed |
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| 20:07.50 | scott__ | i have a usb keyboard where function keys arent working despite having the proper keys between the keymap and showkeys .. f1 appears to work, but not f2,f3,f4... |
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| 20:07.55 | wols | Sebbecking: ask stew. he told you about the deleted flag |
| 20:08.05 | stew | Sebbecking: did you just change debian versions? what version of libc6 is installed? |
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| 20:08.13 | stew | becuase libnss_files should really be installed |
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| 20:08.16 | mikefoo | Anyone know how I can have a contant rsync between two servers for a web directory? cron'ing every minute, might get messy, no? |
| 20:08.20 | aqualuk | kbluetooth always answers "pairing not allowed" |
| 20:08.25 | schrankage | anyone know how to disable the cracklib module, like which pam config file to edit |
| 20:08.30 | scott__ | it works in neither X or from the console.. so if anyone has any suggestions, thatd be great |
| 20:08.45 | stew | schrankage: common-password |
| 20:08.50 | richd | anyone know how to access the internet while in a chroot? |
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| 20:09.25 | stew | richd: no differently than from outside the chroot |
| 20:10.50 | richd | stew: well, i am creating a flashdrive with debian, and it have done debootstrap and now have chrooted into it. but i can't do anything that I normally can... |
| 20:11.12 | Sebbecking | @stew: I always used the same Debian distribution. and my libc6 is libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 20:11.13 | stew | richd: what is an example of something that you are trying, and the error you get |
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| 20:11.48 | stew | Sebbecking: so what version is that, a version of sarge from before it was released a few years ago? |
| 20:11.59 | stew | Sebbecking: does /lib/tls/libnss_files-2.3.2.so really not exist? |
| 20:12.19 | richd | stew: in aptitude, trying to update my package list. error with trying to connect |
| 20:12.20 | stew | !info libc6 oldstable |
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| 20:12.24 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
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| 20:12.56 | Sebbecking | cd /lib/tls/libnss_files-2.3.2.so |
| 20:12.56 | Sebbecking | -bash: cd: /lib/tls/libnss_files-2.3.2.so: No such file or directory |
| 20:13.38 | \amethyst | Sebbecking: try ls -l on it to see if it's a broken link or if it just doesn't exist |
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| 20:13.50 | pickcoder | richd: state the error you are getting |
| 20:14.12 | stew | Sebbecking: what does "apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Installed" report? |
| 20:14.16 | Sebbecking | "No such file or directory" |
| 20:14.29 | Sebbecking | Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 20:14.37 | richd | stew: pickcoder: or even ifconfig yields can't open /proc/net/dev no such file\dir |
| 20:14.43 | Sebbecking | O.o that worries me. |
| 20:14.51 | stew | Sebbecking: ok, so you did just now upgrade from an pre-release version of sarge aka oldstabe to etch aka stable |
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| 20:15.13 | richd | when I did debootstrap shouldn't I have gotten all i needed? |
| 20:15.26 | stew | richd: "mount /proc" |
| 20:15.48 | stew | richd: and "mount /sys" and run "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" from outside the chroot |
| 20:15.53 | eallik | does anyone know if there are ANY debian packages for ruby gems besides mongrel? |
| 20:16.37 | stew | eallik: i don't see any in "apt-cache rdepends libgems-ruby1.8" |
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| 20:17.09 | Sebbecking | @stew: err.. okay, but not actively.. Could it be possible, that the fault is, that I have listed one "sarge unofficial" soure in my sources.list ? |
| 20:17.29 | stew | Sebbecking: no. you must have etch sources, as you are running etch now |
| 20:17.32 | richd | stew: 'mount /proc' yells about not having proc in fstab or mtab (fstab doesn't exist, mtab has nothing) |
| 20:17.40 | streuner | !beer stew |
| 20:17.41 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some plz help me with this error message when restart apache2 on etch Invalid command 'ProxyPass', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 20:17.51 | richd | stew: same for /sys |
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| 20:18.37 | stew | richd: mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 20:18.51 | stew | richd: or copy the proc line from /etc/fstab on the host |
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| 20:19.06 | schrankage | stew, i couldn't find common-passwd in /etc/pam.d/ but i found just passwd |
| 20:19.10 | stew | richd: and mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys |
| 20:19.13 | Sebbecking | @stew: to be honest, I don't know what debian I run. But I think it's not echt? |
| 20:19.16 | Sebbecking | *etch |
| 20:19.40 | stew | Sebbecking: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:19.58 | richd | stew: done and works. thanks a ton |
| 20:20.20 | stew | Sebbecking: you recently upgraded at least partially to etch. which is why your sarge libc6 files have been deleted (but are still open) and replaced with etch's libc6 files |
| 20:21.06 | Sebbecking | @stew: If I did this, then it was not my intention O.o |
| 20:21.35 | Sebbecking | @stew: http://rafb.net/p/VW1uLE68.html |
| 20:22.17 | schrankage | the passwd file contains auth include system-auth |
| 20:22.18 | schrankage | account include system-auth |
| 20:22.18 | schrankage | password include system-auth |
| 20:22.26 | stew | Sebbecking: yeah, you are pointing to both ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main and http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main which are both etch, not sarge |
| 20:22.45 | stew | schrankage: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:22.57 | stew | i thought common-password has been around for a while |
| 20:23.00 | Sebbecking | @stew: So i upgraded?! |
| 20:23.25 | stew | Sebbecking: yes. at least partially, i'd recommend you go through the procedure in the release notes in chapter 4 to make sure you have upgraded all of the way, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:23.30 | schrankage | there a command to show what version? |
| 20:23.51 | Tramp | thelostbutler: You have enabled mod_proxy? |
| 20:24.33 | sixty6billy | hi, i'm trying to build a driver module, but the Makefile seems to think things are in different places... looking for a /lib/modules/(uname -r)/build directory when there is none such |
| 20:24.38 | defrysk | cat /etc/issue |
| 20:24.42 | stew | schrankage: what does "apt-cache policy libpam-runtime" say for "Installed"? |
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| 20:24.56 | Sebbecking | @stew: So I did a upgrade (without knowing this ^^) but not complete. Can complete it cause problems (for me as a noob) |
| 20:24.59 | Sebbecking | ? |
| 20:25.02 | thelostbutler | Tramp: i tried to run a2enmod mod_proxy it said modules doesn't exist. i tried to install libapache2-mod-proxy-html , during post install script it said my apache config was broken and hence would attempt to restart |
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| 20:25.23 | stew | thelostbutler: just "a2enmod proxy" |
| 20:25.37 | schrankage | ah, this box is fedora 5 |
| 20:25.39 | stew | Sebbecking: yes, you didn an upgrade. i'd recommned making sure it was a complete upgrade. |
| 20:25.48 | stew | Sebbecking: -> #fedora |
| 20:25.51 | sixty6billy | i can edit the makefile but i don't know what to, dunno where this build dir is. |
| 20:25.53 | schrankage | guess i'll go to a fedora server |
| 20:25.53 | thelostbutler | Tramp: works like a charm! thanks! |
| 20:25.54 | stew | Sebbecking: not you |
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| 20:26.02 | Ronin | schrankage: or a #fedora at elast |
| 20:26.06 | Ronin | least |
| 20:26.06 | schrankage | k |
| 20:26.22 | stew | sixty6billy: what are you trying to build exactly? |
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| 20:26.34 | Tramp | thelostbutler: so it's fine now? |
| 20:26.55 | stew | sixty6billy: aptitude isntall linux-headers-$(uname -r) ; (you don't need to edit the makefile) |
| 20:27.04 | schrankage | "need to be identified to join that channel" hmmm |
| 20:27.15 | Mos | i have a question: has anyone had an issue after a clean install of the 4.0 release on older hardware where the console appears to be split in half? with only the top half refreshing? |
| 20:27.27 | Ronin | schrankage: so identify to nickserv |
| 20:27.29 | stew | schrankage: /msg nickserv help |
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| 20:27.37 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 20:27.46 | sixty6billy | stew: driver for a sitecom pci wless card |
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| 20:28.05 | thelostbutler | Tramp: yes it is thanks ! appreciate the info |
| 20:28.06 | sixty6billy | stew: got source from serialmonkey, indicated debian friendly. |
| 20:28.11 | SamuraiDio | i installed the nexus font to be used by Eterm Orange Juice theme, but it (Eterm) still say that couldn't find the font |
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| 20:28.45 | Sebbecking | @stew: Well, I'm a little bit unhappy about the situation now. I just want my filespace back. Everything runs fine, and I don't really understand what this release-notes want to tell me. If I follow the instruction, I'm sure, at the end nothing works at all. |
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| 20:30.01 | stew | sixty6billy: ok, "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" should make the build directory appear |
| 20:30.14 | Azar | Sebbecking: when someone upgrades the Debian version, the release notes tells HOWTO upgrade without creating system problems. You upgraded without knowing it and now there are issues |
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| 20:30.31 | Sebbecking | @Azar: Ehat issues?! |
| 20:30.34 | stew | Sebbecking: what is an example of somehting that isn't working |
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| 20:30.58 | Azar | that why the use of "stable" stanza in the source file is NOT recommended (why in hell it never changed this default?) |
| 20:31.34 | stew | Sebbecking: the issues discussed in 4.6.4 for instance |
| 20:31.37 | stew | Azar: it was changed |
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| 20:31.48 | Azar | Sebbecking: when you do regular security upgrades, your apt looks in the "stable" repository bringing in packages that might conflict with your version (old-stable) |
| 20:31.59 | Azar | stew, ah that is a relief |
| 20:32.26 | Azar | .. packages not ment for "your old version" I ment |
| 20:32.37 | Sebbecking | Okay. I understand the problem. |
| 20:32.48 | Sebbecking | But solving it is complicated, right? |
| 20:33.04 | stew | Sebbecking: what do you mean by "solving it"? |
| 20:33.14 | Sebbecking | doing the complete update |
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| 20:33.15 | sixty6billy | stew: cheers. btw, finding myself in here a lot looking to solve basic probs. any literature you'd recommend on debian/linux for relative newbie such as myself? |
| 20:33.16 | sam1337 | hi guys! |
| 20:33.29 | stew | Sebbecking: what about it are you finding complicated? |
| 20:33.30 | Azar | Sebbecking: now, that you have half way upgraded you should go and do the full and correct upgrade, failure to take notes from the release notes might lead to loss of some of your data |
| 20:33.52 | stew | sixty6billy: maybe /msg dpkg reference |
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| 20:34.27 | sam1337 | Anybody have any idea when lenny will support the propietory nvidia driver without lots of hacking about? |
| 20:34.32 | Azar | Sebbecking: the release notes documentation guides you on how to save, backup some of your data, and how - and when - to upgrade your kernel to the standard stable (etch) version |
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| 20:34.44 | Azar | sam1337: no proprietary, sorry |
| 20:34.45 | Sebbecking | Okay, so I'll do everything that the the RN tell me. Without understanding it. |
| 20:35.02 | Azar | Sebbecking: read it slowly, any question, ask here |
| 20:35.07 | stew | Sebbecking: if you don't understand something, you could ask us |
| 20:35.08 | sixty6billy | stew: looking for more of a /msg everything reference! i'll stick to the reference on debian.org for the moment i suppose |
| 20:35.10 | sam1337 | Azar when the driver will work i meant, sorry. |
| 20:35.18 | Sebbecking | Okay. |
| 20:35.42 | Azar | sam1337: I am rather waiting for an open driver to be finished rather than look at the proprietary one |
| 20:35.56 | sam1337 | Azar is the open driver any good? |
| 20:35.58 | stew | sam1337: nobody would know for usre, but for some clues: /msg dpkg why is linux-2.6 not in testing |
| 20:36.07 | Mos | i'm looking for some assistance with a flaky console issue, it looks like only half my screen is being drawn any ideas? |
| 20:36.18 | Azar | sam1337: search for Nouveau... see for yourself |
| 20:36.25 | Sebbecking | Well, next problem: The system is a VM, running on my homeserver. It actually has no hardware. |
| 20:36.46 | defrysk | nouveau is not usable yet |
| 20:36.51 | stew | sam1337: and i wouldn't be suprised if it doesn't work until xorg moves to testing too: /msg dpkg why is xorg not in testing |
| 20:36.53 | Azar | wee kno |
| 20:37.21 | Azar | xorg meantime is messing up rushing shoddy new versions |
| 20:38.01 | holycow | i just read that |
| 20:38.08 | holycow | i wasn't aware that was the case with the new xorg |
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| 20:38.19 | holycow | hopefully its a one time thing, although the new version is quite cool |
| 20:38.51 | Sebbecking | Can't I just - downgrade ?! |
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| 20:39.01 | Azar | I keep not understanding what the rush, unless they gonna lose lots of $$$ to the competition heh |
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| 20:40.05 | sixty6billy | stew: ah, confused the /msg dpkg thing. sound. |
| 20:40.06 | Azar | the coolest software possible is the software that works (no matter its version) |
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| 20:40.42 | stew | Sebbecking: you can downgrade, but it would be a much more difficult and tedious process |
| 20:41.05 | defrysk | geez 2.6.22.9 is out |
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| 20:41.34 | Sebbecking | Okay, I'll try. But im 100% sure, it will end up in an desaster... |
| 20:41.46 | stew | Sebbecking: then reinstall |
| 20:42.02 | Sebbecking | That's what I'm thinking about, too. |
| 20:42.15 | stew | its certainly not what we'd recommend |
| 20:42.28 | stew | especially since there is no sign that anything is going wrong yet |
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| 20:44.11 | holycow | if i wanted new users accounts to be automatically private ... in adduser.conf id set the setgid_hom to 600? |
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| 20:44.21 | holycow | or 644? |
| 20:44.28 | AVRS2 | good night |
| 20:44.57 | holycow | i mean dir_mode |
| 20:45.14 | ninnghizidha | how to start a vnc-server after a restart automatically? where to add the command to do it right? |
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| 20:46.11 | stew | holycow: 0700 |
| 20:46.19 | holycow | aha! |
| 20:46.21 | holycow | danke sir |
| 20:46.30 | holycow | oh right, that makes sense |
| 20:46.32 | holycow | of course |
| 20:46.35 | stew | holycow: or "dpkg-reconfigure adduser" |
| 20:47.21 | holycow | aha! even better |
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| 20:51.26 | ninnghizidha | anyone got an rc script for a vncserver? |
| 20:51.45 | stew | ninnghizidha: check /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian |
| 20:53.18 | ninnghizidha | thats a nice file (README.inetd) ... never heard about them! very nice! |
| 20:53.30 | ninnghizidha | (but wrong topic ... but cool thou! |
| 20:53.45 | stew | ninnghizidha: why is that the wrong topic? why not start it from inetd? |
| 20:53.59 | \amethyst | what do you mean by "rc script"? |
| 20:54.14 | pickcoder | rc.D |
| 20:54.21 | ninnghizidha | I'd like to start my vncservers at bootup. |
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| 21:00.54 | FastPutty | how to install a NTP server? |
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| 21:01.21 | FastPutty | what package? O_O |
| 21:01.28 | stew | FastPutty: aptitude install ntp |
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| 21:01.38 | FastPutty | ntp is the server? i thought it was a client |
| 21:01.41 | FastPutty | thanks you |
| 21:01.48 | stew | "This package contains the NTP daemon and utility programs" |
| 21:02.43 | \amethyst | FastPutty: it can do both... it runs as a daemon either way |
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| 21:06.23 | lukas___ | Is there some tool one could use to control (send sms, call) mobile phone? |
| 21:06.40 | lukas___ | Once it is paired by some way |
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| 21:09.14 | bolt | What could cause something like "Sep 26 22:31:12 slave sshd[14922]: channel 8: open failed: connect failed: No route to host", followed by a dozen lines of "message repeated XX times"? |
| 21:09.36 | bolt | everything seemed to perform normally during this time |
| 21:10.34 | SEcki | slave sshd repetaly tried to conenct to sth - maybe search for remot ips i the config files? |
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| 21:11.40 | holycow | would anyone know where the config file for useradd might be? |
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| 21:11.57 | bolt | SEcki: like, in sshd.conf? |
| 21:11.59 | holycow | i've configured adduser properly, just need to make sure useradd behaves as well |
| 21:12.00 | Dougy | http://rafb.net/p/VepYWO15.html |
| 21:12.02 | Dougy | i'm getting that error |
| 21:12.05 | Dougy | while installing gnome |
| 21:12.21 | cmatheson | i'm trying to do something that may be impossible to do w/ tar. i want to take a big tarfile (it's coming from stdin) and split it into several 4Gb tarballs. Unfortunately, it seems that tar doesn't let me pull data from stdin, and specify multiple output files, anyone have any other ideas? |
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| 21:12.49 | stew | Dougy: show us the command you typed and the entire output |
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| 21:13.15 | Ast001 | hello |
| 21:13.30 | SEcki | bolt: yes, maybe |
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| 21:13.54 | Dougy | stew i re-ran the command |
| 21:13.54 | Dougy | http://rafb.net/p/VVjRJC83.html |
| 21:14.24 | Ast001 | I can not do apt-get upgrade because computer say "perl Warning set locale failed" |
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| 21:14.53 | xand | what pager will maintain colors, if any? |
| 21:15.00 | holycow | or even, how is useradd configured? |
| 21:15.01 | xand | e.g. ls --color | less |
| 21:15.18 | stew | Dougy: so it looks like you are trying to mix stable and unstable, which is neither recommended nor supported |
| 21:15.35 | Dougy | lol |
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| 21:15.46 | lukas___ | xand: I think less with lesspipe |
| 21:16.07 | Dougy | http://rafb.net/p/KlJlvF60.html @ stew |
| 21:16.18 | Dougy | oh |
| 21:16.24 | Ast001 | what is locale and where i can set it ? language lc_all ? |
| 21:16.24 | stew | xand: use less -R |
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| 21:16.48 | lukas___ | Ast001: locales are language settings, try locales |
| 21:16.48 | xand | doesn't seem to work, not with grep's colors |
| 21:16.56 | xand | or ls's |
| 21:17.27 | Ast001 | locales command not found |
| 21:17.32 | Azar | xand: I guess is how you set your environment |
| 21:17.33 | lukas___ | locale |
| 21:17.51 | stew | xand: -R? hm. works here |
| 21:18.05 | xand | ls | less -R = no colors |
| 21:18.08 | Ast001 | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:18.14 | stew | xand: ls --color | less -R |
| 21:18.29 | xand | ah... it turns colors off when piping |
| 21:18.30 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html << xand |
| 21:18.39 | stew | xand: less --color=auto does |
| 21:18.47 | stew | xand: err "ls --color=auto" |
| 21:18.47 | Dougy | is there a feature on apt |
| 21:18.50 | Dougy | like group-install on yum |
| 21:19.02 | stew | Dougy: what does "group-install" do on yum? |
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| 21:19.06 | Dougy | eg |
| 21:19.07 | stew | Dougy: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 21:19.12 | Dougy | stew no idea |
| 21:19.19 | Dougy | yum group-install "X Window System" |
| 21:19.23 | Dougy | installs Xorg in its entirety |
| 21:19.25 | lukas___ | Ast001: you are missing some locales, as root: locale-gen |
| 21:19.40 | stew | Dougy: apt-get install xorg ; aptitude install xorg ; tasksel install desktop... |
| 21:19.48 | stew | Dougy: what version of libc6 is isntalled? |
| 21:19.54 | Dougy | stew: new at this, how would one check |
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| 21:20.22 | stew | Dougy: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 hal udev ; uname -r" |
| 21:20.43 | Dougy | http://rafb.net/p/40wvnp99.html |
| 21:20.56 | Ast001 | locale-gen command not found |
| 21:21.26 | stew | Dougy: what is that? a centos kernel? |
| 21:21.40 | Dougy | it's on OpenVZ |
| 21:21.43 | asg | stew: openvz |
| 21:21.46 | Dougy | Node is Cent5 |
| 21:21.48 | Dougy | if that's of any use |
| 21:22.12 | stew | Dougy: what happens now if you run "aptitude update && aptitude -f install" ? |
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| 21:22.22 | cmatheson | is it possible to create a tarball from standard in instead of specifying a path? |
| 21:22.27 | Dougy | same dependency error |
| 21:22.39 | Dougy | dpkg: error processing udev (--configure): |
| 21:22.40 | Dougy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.40 | Dougy | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of hal: |
| 21:22.40 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 21:22.42 | Dougy | blahblah |
| 21:23.19 | stew | so its failing on "echo > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug" |
| 21:23.22 | lukas___ | Ast001: oh, do you have locales package? aptitude search locales |
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| 21:23.56 | Dougy | /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst: line 125: echo: write error: Operation not permitted |
| 21:23.59 | Dougy | there's that error, too |
| 21:24.05 | Dougy | right before dependency |
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| 21:24.14 | stew | Dougy: line 125 is "echo > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug" |
| 21:24.16 | Ast001 | i gcc-4.1-locales |
| 21:24.18 | Dougy | oh, ok. |
| 21:24.24 | Dougy | Any idea how to fix? |
| 21:24.28 | Dougy | Or is it really not worth it |
| 21:24.30 | stew | Dougy: get a kenrel that supports udev |
| 21:24.41 | Dougy | stew: k. |
| 21:24.46 | Dougy | I know |
| 21:24.51 | Dougy | on the same node, a customer runs it under Cent |
| 21:24.55 | Dougy | Gnome and stuff |
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| 21:25.20 | stew | Dougy: does that person run udev? |
| 21:25.32 | Dougy | he sent me an email w/the steps |
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| 21:26.37 | stew | Dougy: well i'd guess you could run the parts of gnome that don't need hal/udev (meaning no network-manager, gnome-volume-manager)... |
| 21:26.44 | stew | or possibly this line could be skipped |
| 21:26.55 | stew | i don't know what the ramifications are |
| 21:27.11 | Dougy | Does that require udev? |
| 21:27.13 | stew | Dougy: so remove udev |
| 21:27.14 | stew | Dougy: no |
| 21:27.23 | Dougy | won't it try to install it anyway, when run the apt command? |
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| 21:27.46 | stew | Dougy: which command? |
| 21:27.50 | Dougy | apt-get install gnome |
| 21:27.51 | Dougy | :P |
| 21:28.04 | stew | Dougy: yes, that would, since gnome depends on udev |
| 21:28.55 | dalias | gnome depends on udev? |
| 21:28.56 | dalias | wtf |
| 21:29.00 | stew | Dougy: i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend to sort out all of the dependencies |
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| 21:29.37 | stew | dalias: yes, for instance, for gnome-volume-manager |
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| 21:30.36 | Dougy | I hate Cent and Gnome |
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| 21:31.35 | dalias | stew, bleh gnome is such crap... |
| 21:31.51 | Dougy | I hate kde. |
| 21:31.53 | Dougy | it's way too bloated. |
| 21:31.57 | Dougy | IMO. |
| 21:31.59 | lukas___ | Ast001: actually what branch do you use? paste uname -a |
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| 21:32.28 | troubled | Dougy: bloat isnt as big of a deal when you got $5k worth of hardware though :) |
| 21:32.28 | dalias | i dislike kde too |
| 21:32.29 | lukas___ | Ast001: and you should also install locales: aptitude install locales |
| 21:32.55 | dalias | but i found konq a lot less bloated than firefox, and kword about 95% less bloated than oowriter |
| 21:33.21 | stew | dalias: lots of things that both gnome and kde depend on depend on udev, like network-manager, libgphoto2, etc |
| 21:33.21 | \amethyst | dalias: there are epiphany and abiword |
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| 21:33.45 | Dougy | IBM has new desktop software |
| 21:33.46 | Dougy | it looked nice |
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| 21:35.21 | titeuf_87 | does anyone know if the badram module is compiled into the default debian kernel? |
| 21:35.31 | titeuf_87 | I can't seem to find a list of patches included in the kernel |
| 21:35.47 | fas3r | with vi for search in document we need to use /"that i search" what the method for go to next result ? |
| 21:36.08 | titeuf_87 | fas3r, with n |
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| 21:36.13 | dalias | \amethyst, abiword is broken crap. font selection is almost impossible and its multilingual support is severely lacking |
| 21:36.16 | fas3r | oki thank titeuf_87 ^^ |
| 21:36.35 | dalias | in fact you can't even pick font sizes except for the ones listed in the pulldown box.. |
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| 21:38.12 | dalias | i've never tried epiphany, but the serious performance and mem bloat of firefox seems to be gecko so i doubt it would be much better... |
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| 21:39.18 | lukas___ | Could any developper/maintainer advise on creating deb package? |
| 21:40.00 | Nyle | Good Evening |
| 21:40.10 | Nyle | lukas___: yes |
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| 21:40.21 | Nyle | !tell lukas___ -about maint-guide |
| 21:40.27 | Nyle | !tell lukas___ -about package basics |
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| 21:40.42 | Nyle | happy reading |
| 21:41.13 | relik | hi |
| 21:41.23 | relik | i have a small problem, trying to encrypt a container |
| 21:41.24 | relik | root@relik:/dev# losetup /dev/loop2 /tmp/container.bin |
| 21:41.26 | Nyle | lukas___: if you are packaging something for debian, also /msg dpkg policy and /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 21:41.38 | Nyle | lukas___: otherwise for your own use, you shouldn't have to worry about it |
| 21:41.50 | relik | i dont have loop devices in /dev, why is that and how can i solve this problem? |
| 21:41.52 | lukas___ | Nyle: I aleready know how to create deb package, that what I do not know is how to process from make (which directory to install it to) to tar .... |
| 21:42.07 | Nyle | lukas___: everything is in the links I gave to you |
| 21:42.09 | lukas___ | Nyle: well that package will be for deb I suppose |
| 21:42.13 | Ast001 | shorewall was my problem gentlemans |
| 21:42.20 | lukas___ | Nyle: ok, I will study it first |
| 21:42.24 | Nyle | thank you |
| 21:42.26 | lukas___ | Ast001: soyy? |
| 21:42.30 | lukas___ | sorry? |
| 21:42.36 | Ast001 | after I installed it problem with locale occured |
| 21:42.48 | Petrov | were can i find that debian work on a ga-p35-dq6? |
| 21:42.57 | Nyle | it works |
| 21:43.04 | Nyle | out of the box, with etch as well |
| 21:43.15 | stew | lukas___: does the makefile support ./configure --prefix=... or DESTDIR=... ? |
| 21:43.15 | lukas___ | Ast001: Have you installed also locales package? As it IS necessary. |
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| 21:43.24 | Ast001 | now I did apt-get install locales |
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| 21:43.39 | lukas___ | Ast001: do locale-gen |
| 21:43.39 | Ast001 | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:43.48 | lukas___ | stew: I will check |
| 21:43.49 | stew | Ast001: logout and log back in |
| 21:43.51 | Nyle | only hardware on that motherboard that needed drivers in the days of pre 2.6.18 are JMB363 pata controller, and marvel yukon gigabit ethernet |
| 21:44.03 | Nyle | Petrov: your motherboard should work fine in debian etch |
| 21:44.13 | Ast001 | it works now I can do apt-get without error message |
| 21:44.14 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 21:44.18 | Petrov | Nyle: oké and my hdd is sata 2, work also fine? :p |
| 21:44.20 | Ast001 | ok I will |
| 21:44.21 | michiel__ | hi, if i want to run pure-ftpd in chrooted mode, i would set the -a flag, but how would i set this up the debian way? |
| 21:44.36 | Nyle | Petrov: sata works fine, but the pata *might* give an issue |
| 21:44.43 | Nyle | I have the same motherboard, but different |
| 21:44.45 | lukas___ | stew: prefix is supported. |
| 21:44.51 | Nyle | I have a GA 965P S3 |
| 21:44.57 | Nyle | you have a more expensive version of mine |
| 21:45.07 | Nyle | only solid state capacitors and some other raid stuff |
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| 21:45.30 | Petrov | oké, thx :d |
| 21:45.35 | Nyle | sure |
| 21:45.38 | stew | lukas___: set the prefix to be debian/tmp |
| 21:45.59 | lukas___ | stew: which should be created before, I suppose |
| 21:46.03 | bloedefi1 | cya later guys |
| 21:46.08 | bloedefi1 | /exit |
| 21:46.18 | bolt | When I use autossh to set up a permanent tunnel, and I use port# 20000 as a monitor port. Does anyone have any idea how that really works? I figured it's sending garbage on that port every so often to test the connection, but what I haven't figured out is wherether that monitor port will actually be a separate connection between the machines or if it will be like a tunnel through the existing connection. The reason I'm wondering about this is that |
| 21:46.18 | bolt | I'm having trouble keeping the tunnel up and wondering if my firewall is too strict. |
| 21:46.42 | stew | lukas___: or that might need to be debian/tmp/usr ; but anyway, you want the files to end up in debian/tmp when you run $(MAKE) install |
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| 21:47.59 | lukas___ | stew: so eg. for /tmp/app directory it will be /tmp/app/debian/tmp as it requires absolte path |
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| 21:48.18 | xsdg | bolt: `netstat -nltap` should be useful |
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| 21:49.04 | stew | lukas___: are you sure it doesn't support DESTDIR? |
| 21:49.22 | silent[ca] | my network manager (the one that appears in the "task bar") says I have no network connection, but , quite obviously I do. How can I get the network thing to display my network statues correctly? |
| 21:49.47 | silent[ca] | its the networkmanager applet |
| 21:49.49 | lukas___ | stew: no, I just tried ./configure --<tab> and did hot see DESTDIR, is it environement vcariableM |
| 21:49.52 | lukas___ | ? |
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| 21:50.36 | stew | lukas___: try ./configure --prefix=usr ; then run "$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp" |
| 21:51.01 | stew | lukas___: if its standard autoconf/automake, it would support this |
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| 21:51.22 | stew | lukas___: err, --prefix=/usr |
| 21:53.19 | sixty6billy | hi, trying to delete some entries to the routing table... man page specifies route del (-net|-host) but how do i specify what route to delete? |
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| 21:54.08 | Nyle | Petrov: please do not message me |
| 21:54.50 | sixty6billy | how do id a particular route in the routing table? Destination/Gateway/Genmask/.....? |
| 21:54.57 | Tramp | sixty6billy: you basically delete it like you added it - just with del instead of add |
| 21:55.05 | lukas___ | stew: If that was line to bash ($(MAKE) ...) then it produced error, when completing it with make and ./ it still tries to install in /usr. Make is 3.81 GNU make |
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| 21:56.18 | stew | lukas___: that was makefile, not sh |
| 21:56.55 | sixty6billy | Tramp: i didn't add it. just tinkering around, i think dhclient did... it's a bit of a mess at the moment. |
| 21:56.56 | stew | lukas___: in a shell it would be: make install DESTDIR=$(pwd)/debian/tmp |
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| 21:57.29 | stew | silent[ca]: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 21:57.35 | curator | i really need your help! its unbelievable important that i get the kernel .config which is in use right now. in /usr/src linux was removed, no .config, no /proc/config.gz . Is there any way i can get the .config out of the running kernel or find it somewhere else. Thanks in advance ! |
| 21:57.56 | Tramp | sixty6billy: ah, ok. Then just take the parameters from the netstat -rn output and use them in the route del command. |
| 21:58.05 | lukas___ | stew: still trying to install into /usr |
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| 21:58.21 | stew | curator: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:58.51 | curator | stew luv ya ! |
| 21:59.10 | NiLon | I'm trying to compile php and I did apt-get build-dep php5, help says that "cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'." |
| 21:59.18 | NiLon | but where is that directory? :/ |
| 21:59.33 | stew | NiLon: ./php5-$version |
| 21:59.52 | NiLon | um? |
| 22:00.02 | stew | NiLon: oh, you have to run "apt-get source php5" to get the source |
| 22:00.06 | stew | NiLon: why are you compiling php5? |
| 22:00.16 | NiLon | I need that special switch again :) |
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| 22:04.03 | lukas___ | stew: ok, it is quite late, I will read some docs tomorrow, thanks |
| 22:04.17 | apspoliveira | is it easier to read a PDF file in an IPhone than in a PDA? |
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| 22:04.32 | stew | lukas___: you might be better off asking in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 22:04.42 | stew | apspoliveira: wrong channel |
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| 22:04.56 | apspoliveira | stew: what's the right channel? :) |
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| 22:05.08 | stew | apspoliveira: i don't know |
| 22:05.14 | xand | #adobe |
| 22:05.41 | NiLon | so that debuild -us -uc just builds from current sources and that fakeroot makes new .deb that I can use via apt? |
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| 22:06.15 | NiLon | oh hmm nothing :) |
| 22:06.22 | stew | NiLon: debuild builds it from the current sources and makes the new deb. it uses fakeroot to be able to do some trickery like making root owned files in the deb without root privileges. |
| 22:06.46 | stew | NiLon: it makes a deb that you could install with dpkg, or you could install with apt if you had a repository you could add it to |
| 22:07.19 | lukas___ | stew: Nyle ok, thanks for time and advice |
| 22:07.24 | NiLon | ok, sounds good :) |
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| 22:10.56 | Nyle | yup |
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| 22:13.13 | mikearthur | how can I find out what runlevel I'm in? |
| 22:13.55 | \amethyst | mikearthur: /sbin/runlevel |
| 22:13.59 | mikearthur | cheers |
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| 22:14.14 | \amethyst | mikearthur: you want the second word |
| 22:14.34 | mikearthur | what are the different runlevels used for? |
| 22:14.53 | wols | 1 is single, 2 is what you normally use, rest is free |
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| 22:15.05 | \amethyst | mikearthur: man init |
| 22:15.16 | mikearthur | cool, so I could make 3, say, a battery runlevel and change to that to reduce services? |
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| 22:15.30 | \amethyst | yes |
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| 22:15.50 | \amethyst | just don't mess with 0, 1, or 6 (or S really) |
| 22:15.59 | silent[ca] | what source do i need to add to sources.list in order to install wine? |
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| 22:16.53 | \amethyst | silent[ca]: you shouldn't need any extra sources, just a debian mirror |
| 22:17.43 | guiss | I got a debian box which now runs etch and was running sarge. When that box boots, I get various "Skipping already loaded module" warnings, but on other boxes where I installed etch from scratch that doesn't happens. Any help to get rid of those warnings? |
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| 22:18.16 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:28.38 | silent[ca] | how do I convert traditional permissions rwxrwxrwx into octal? |
| 22:28.46 | avenger__ | I'll soon find out |
| 22:29.01 | KiWiOrin | is sid currently broken ? |
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| 22:30.18 | stew | silent[ca]: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 22:30.45 | stew | KiWiOrin: its always broken in several ways |
| 22:31.31 | KiWiOrin | yeah, but today more than usual ? |
| 22:32.01 | keith4 | i just connected my debian box to my HD TV, and now Xorg.0.log stops at "(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration", even with verbose level of 6 |
| 22:32.20 | keith4 | I don't get any output on the screen... how am I supposed to debug that? |
| 22:32.42 | keith4 | and it's connected with a DVI->HDMI cable |
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| 22:34.34 | stew | KiWiOrin: maybe? is there something specific you are after? |
| 22:34.44 | silent[ca] | lol stew, its simpler than I thought, thanks for the link |
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| 22:36.05 | KiWiOrin | yeah well, I updated today and a bunch of apps segfault on me now, dselect in particular, when I run apt-get update directly it gives exits out with an http error |
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| 22:38.03 | KiWiOrin | so I think it's some base library that's the problem |
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| 22:39.59 | stew | KiWiOrin: what other apps segfault? what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 22:40.08 | KiWiOrin | one sec |
| 22:40.11 | stew | KiWiOrin: are the segfaults consistent? |
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| 22:43.46 | KiWiOrin | ok that was strange, it's not doing it anymore, i hope something on the drives aren't getting screwed up |
| 22:44.01 | KiWiOrin | let me check if any startup scripts crapped out |
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| 22:46.47 | endia314 | How can you configure a Debian machine to accept incoming telnet connections from, say, port 50169? |
| 22:47.35 | keith4 | ew telnet |
| 22:48.13 | karmatronic | endia314: apt-get install telnetd |
| 22:48.25 | karmatronic | endia314: and then i guess editing inetd.conf |
| 22:48.44 | endia314 | karmatronic: I already have telnetd installed, it accepts connections on port 23, but nowhere else. |
| 22:49.04 | karmatronic | endia314: if you run iptables ,set a rule like |
| 22:49.35 | endia314 | I don't run iptables. |
| 22:49.45 | keith4 | telnetd is run on demand by inetd |
| 22:49.46 | rmaj | hello ppl |
| 22:49.51 | wols | endia314: is there a reason you run a telnet server and not a sshd? |
| 22:50.00 | \amethyst | endia314: edit the "telnet" line in /etc/inetd.conf to have 50169 instead as the first column |
| 22:50.07 | karmatronic | endia314: iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 50169 -j ACCEPT |
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| 22:50.17 | karmatronic | endia314: soory i meant tcp |
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| 22:50.51 | wols | karmatronic: and that makes in.telnetd listen on 50169? awesome |
| 22:50.53 | endia314 | karmatronic: Doesn't work. |
| 22:51.17 | endia314 | iptables is set to allow everything anyway, the firewall is on my local router, and it blocks port 23. |
| 22:51.52 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:52.12 | endia314 | \amethyst: There's no space for a port in inetd.conf. |
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| 22:52.21 | \amethyst | endia314: that's the first column |
| 22:52.36 | endia314 | The format given in the header is: <service_name> <sock_type> <proto> <flags> <user> <server_path> <args> |
| 22:52.48 | endia314 | The first column is |
| 22:52.51 | endia314 | 'telnet'. |
| 22:53.00 | \amethyst | endia314: <service_name> can be either a name from /etc/services, or a port number |
| 22:53.13 | \amethyst | endia314: which is "23" by /etc/services |
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| 22:53.48 | \amethyst | endia314: it can even be a comma-separated list of IPs, followed by : and a port number, if you want to listen only on certain interfaces |
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| 22:54.21 | endia314 | Yes, it works! Thank you! |
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| 22:57.05 | knowledge | hello can anyone helpme get either beryl or compiz running on ubuntu |
| 22:57.16 | gpm | !tell knowledge about ubuntu |
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| 22:58.03 | xand | knowledge: anyone in #ubuntu, not in here |
| 22:58.36 | Varange | some questions about SSH. Does SSH compress by default? I see in 'man ssh-config' that the Compress option only workd with Version 1 |
| 22:58.50 | Varange | works |
| 22:58.50 | xsdg | Varange: by default, no |
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| 22:59.13 | Varange | xsdg, is it turned on or off on the client side, or the server side? |
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| 22:59.24 | en1gma | sup all |
| 22:59.30 | Varange | sup |
| 22:59.57 | \amethyst | Varange: default for the server is "delayed" (compression can be turned on after authenticating), and for the client is "no" |
| 23:00.17 | en1gma | i was wondering a little bit ago (as i look over and see 3 cd-rw drives laying in my junk pyle) is there a diagnostic tool that examines these drives like the diagnostic tools for hard-drives? |
| 23:00.17 | xsdg | Varange: `man ssh` is your friend |
| 23:00.19 | Varange | \amethyst, thx |
| 23:00.27 | Varange | xsdg, I did :) |
| 23:00.43 | \amethyst | Varange: man sshd_config ssh_config would have told you the default settings for Compression |
| 23:00.44 | en1gma | Varnage nada just looking for something to do |
| 23:01.06 | Varange | \amethyst, it tells me that the Compression option works for Version 1 |
| 23:01.16 | Varange | and that is what confused me |
| 23:01.25 | \amethyst | Varange: my version doesn't say that... it says that CompressionLevel only works for V1 |
| 23:01.25 | xsdg | Varange: in mine, it says "-C requests compression of all data... [but can only be] controlled by the compressionLevel option for protocol version 1" |
| 23:01.37 | Varange | ah |
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| 23:01.54 | Varange | yes |
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| 23:02.19 | xsdg | Varange: also, `man 5 ssh_config` is also your friend |
| 23:02.26 | Varange | so if I put Compression=yes into ~/.ssh/config, it would compress? |
| 23:02.45 | Varange | xsdg, I'm trying to check that I understand the man files correctly |
| 23:02.51 | xsdg | Varange: it should |
| 23:02.53 | Varange | thx |
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| 23:06.07 | Varange | ok, next thing please. I want to ssh a directory structure on a remote machine to a tgz file on the local machine. Soemthing like: ssh remotemachine "tar - zxvf /dir" | cat > dir.tgz. This all works ok, except that the ssh user I log in as doesn't necessarily have permissions to all the files. But I don't want to do this as root either. What is a good solution? |
| 23:06.41 | vulture | Varange: do it as some non-root user that does have access.. |
| 23:06.49 | vulture | and the "cat" in there seems decidedly pointless.. |
| 23:06.58 | Varange | vulture, ah yes |
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| 23:08.05 | Varange | vulture, how do I set a non-root user to have read access to all the files under, say, the /home directory |
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| 23:08.35 | Varange | vulture, or would this generally be the case anyway? |
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| 23:09.13 | Varange | \amethyst and xsdg ... will you please comment on my question as well? |
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| 23:16.03 | sponzor | how many cds do i nead to download for install? |
| 23:16.10 | sponzor | 21 cds is alot :P |
| 23:16.17 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 23:16.22 | azeem | sponzor: how is your internet connection? |
| 23:16.22 | simonrvn | or netinst... |
| 23:16.25 | azeem | sponzor: via wlan? |
| 23:16.28 | sixty6billy | hi, i broke my computer, currently in single user. was trying to configure a wireless pci card, didn't go near x but now when xdm starts its just a blank (greyish) screen |
| 23:16.40 | azeem | !nodm |
| 23:16.40 | sixty6billy | otherwise it boots as normal |
| 23:16.41 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 23:16.58 | azeem | sixty6billy: then, start debugging by digging through your X log |
| 23:17.14 | sixty6billy | right so. |
| 23:17.17 | sponzor | 5/5 |
| 23:17.19 | sponzor | mb |
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| 23:17.28 | azeem | sponzor: what does that mean? |
| 23:17.39 | sponzor | my conection is 5/5mb |
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| 23:17.45 | sponzor | <azeem> sponzor: how is your internet connection? |
| 23:17.45 | azeem | sponzor: 01:14 < azeem> sponzor: via wlan? |
| 23:17.55 | Varange | ok, next thing please. I want to ssh a directory structure on a remote machine to a tgz file on the local machine. Soemthing like: ssh remotemachine "tar - zxvf /dir" | cat > dir.tgz. This all works ok, except that the ssh user I log in as doesn't necessarily have permissions to all the files. But I don't want to do this as root either. What is a good solution? |
| 23:18.05 | Varange | oops, sorry, ignore that pls |
| 23:18.12 | sponzor | what do you mean via wlan? |
| 23:18.22 | sixty6billy | azeem: dunno if this is related (mabye its because of single user mode?) but ALT F1/2/3 doesn't produce a login prompt |
| 23:18.32 | azeem | sponzor: usually, your computer is connected to the internet via some networking |
| 23:18.40 | azeem | sponzor: unless your computer is a ISP server |
| 23:18.45 | Varange | SUDO: how do I give a user permission to run tar as root please? |
| 23:19.04 | Varange | and do I need to install SUDO as a package? |
| 23:19.14 | azeem | sixty6billy: I think that's normal in single user mode |
| 23:19.22 | Azar | Varange: you would not give any user root privileges |
| 23:19.22 | sponzor | lol |
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| 23:19.32 | simonrvn | 'sudo', and that helps, but you'll still need to pass a passwd unless configured carefully |
| 23:19.33 | sixty6billy | right. away i go so. |
| 23:19.35 | sponzor | i have router.. dhcp |
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| 23:19.46 | \amethyst | Varange: if you give someone the ability to run tar as root, you might was well just give them a root shell |
| 23:19.48 | azeem | sponzor: so is it ethernet or wlan? |
| 23:19.53 | \amethyst | s/was/as/ |
| 23:19.57 | sponzor | wlan |
| 23:20.07 | azeem | sponzor: is there a cable between you computer and the router or not? |
| 23:20.10 | azeem | aha. |
| 23:20.14 | azeem | that was difficult |
| 23:20.19 | sponzor | aha ups lol |
| 23:20.35 | en1gma | i might have a pretty big problem...i have a computer that is an abit kn8 amd64 3200 with 2gig mem and 4 hard drives in a raid0 that i am using right now...it has windows on it....i want to put debian on it by means of my 1 gig usbstick....is it possible to get those hard-drives up and running dmraid before the installer begins to install |
| 23:20.40 | Varange | \amethyst, I want to make a backup of the system. So I want to shh into the box under my normal user account (but not in an interactive shell) and run tar. |
| 23:20.41 | azeem | sponzor: wlan is more difficult with Linux, it might not work out of the box |
| 23:20.48 | sponzor | the router is wirelles suported but only laptop is on wifi, the machine with debian will be on cable :P |
| 23:20.49 | azeem | sponzor: do you know the wlan chipset? |
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| 23:20.57 | Azar | \amethyst: no he should not give root privileges to anyone. Users can be added to some groups but never get access to root |
| 23:21.04 | azeem | sponzor: dude, maybe you should start answering the real questions |
| 23:21.29 | sponzor | i was lost. sory |
| 23:21.51 | azeem | sponzor: if your to-be-running-debian comuter has ethernet and dhcp, just download the netinst |
| 23:21.54 | azeem | !netinst |
| 23:21.54 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 23:22.13 | sponzor | hmm |
| 23:22.18 | sponzor | its easy to install with netinst? |
| 23:22.18 | en1gma | azeem do you have a suggestion for me |
| 23:22.24 | en1gma | netinstall ownz |
| 23:22.27 | en1gma | i use it usually |
| 23:22.31 | wintix | how many open files can debian handle on a xfs partition? |
| 23:22.32 | azeem | en1gma: ask the channel, not individual |
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| 23:22.42 | en1gma | i did ask the channel first |
| 23:22.44 | en1gma | then you |
| 23:22.45 | azeem | en1gma: actually, I was just reading your question, but now I lost interest after you bugged me |
| 23:22.53 | en1gma | ah |
| 23:22.54 | \amethyst | Varange: you could have a sudoers line like username ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/backupscript |
| 23:23.00 | \amethyst | Varange: and then put the tar command in the script |
| 23:23.27 | Varange | \amethyst, ahh thx, that's helpful |
| 23:24.44 | vulture | Varange: this would not generally be the case - home directories are private, though there's some way you can manipulate the default for new user directories.. don't recall exactly. |
| 23:25.06 | sponzor | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:25.10 | Azar | vulture: maybe the wheel account? |
| 23:25.11 | sponzor | what file in there is netinstal? |
| 23:25.27 | azeem | sponzor: the one which says "netinst" |
| 23:25.27 | abrotman | sponzor: the one that says -netinst- |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | sponzor: it's maybe around 150MB or so |
| 23:26.12 | sponzor | got it |
| 23:26.13 | sponzor | :p |
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| 23:27.51 | egospun | how do i see what files an installed package has? |
| 23:28.05 | presto101 | im a newer user thinking of moving to debian from mint for the stability and simplicity, i have a linux format disc with 4.0 on it if i install that will it update to 4.0r1 |
| 23:28.14 | abrotman | egospun: dpkg -L |
| 23:28.20 | egospun | abrotman: oh yea |
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| 23:28.34 | abrotman | presto101: if you have the correct sources .. yes |
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| 23:28.52 | presto101 | would that be thru syanptic or apt get |
| 23:29.03 | presto101 | synaptic i assume |
| 23:29.07 | Azar | presto101: every week you perform an update/upgrade with a simple command, that r1 is nothing more than that. |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | Azar: not quite true |
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| 23:29.51 | presto101 | what is the command azar |
| 23:29.57 | Azar | abrotman: enlighten me please |
| 23:30.06 | presto101 | me to please |
| 23:30.20 | Azar | presto101: there are two short commands at command line: aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 23:30.21 | abrotman | Azar: for example when the kernel went from -4- to -5- it required a dist-upgrade .. not just an upgrade |
| 23:30.25 | presto101 | and let me ask am i getting in over my head |
| 23:31.00 | Azar | abrotman: oh I did not know the kernel went up as well... it did? |
| 23:31.06 | abrotman | Azar: aren't you still on sarge ? |
| 23:31.16 | Azar | abrotman: :( oh yes |
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| 23:31.21 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
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| 23:33.20 | Azar | presto101: have a quick look at what apt is and how to about: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
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| 23:34.32 | sixty6billy | well, reconfiguring xorg sorted that out. dunno how i broke it in the first place |
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| 23:34.51 | Azar | so the sources.list is like an address/phone book for apt. Apt goes exactly where the source list is pointing at: the specific repository ment for your particular Debian version |
| 23:35.02 | presto101 | azar or abortman how hard is apt get to use |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | easy as mac&cheese |
| 23:35.22 | sixty6billy | especially given that i was only modifying interfaces and wpa_supplicant at the time. :) |
| 23:35.27 | Azar | presto101: as hard as typing aptitude install..... or aptitude update... or aptitude upgrade. That's it |
| 23:35.30 | abrotman | bluebox of course! |
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| 23:36.10 | Azar | presto101: if you read carefully the link I gave you, keep the basics in mind.... is piece of cake |
| 23:36.18 | presto101 | ok |
| 23:36.43 | qmr | dpkg -l | grep php | sed 'print {"$2"}' |
| 23:36.43 | dpkg | ii | grep php | sed 'print {"$2"}' 3.1-11 qmr's private gamp collection |
| 23:36.44 | presto101 | forgive me im not completly new but still unsure sometimes |
| 23:36.55 | qmr | dpkg -l |
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| 23:39.06 | presto101 | got the link azar thanks |
| 23:39.06 | mne | hi, i'm trying to set up my nvidia geforce fx 5700 to run with TV-out (clone). i tried it with twinview which causes the image to be on the TV screen but not on the CRT. any help ? |
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| 23:39.35 | presto101 | im gonna give it a shot |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 23:39.47 | keith4 | mne: look at "ConnectedMonitor" option |
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| 23:40.03 | keith4 | mne: using s-video? |
| 23:40.14 | mne | keith4, yes |
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| 23:40.55 | mne | keith4, i have Option "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT,TV" |
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| 23:41.22 | mne | keith4, used this setup: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/blog/Caysho/2006-11-19/The_joys_of_nvidia_TV_out |
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| 23:42.33 | keith4 | mne: check the log? |
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| 23:42.44 | silent[ca] | about how long do you guys think e2fsck will take on a 1.1TB filesystem? |
| 23:42.44 | mne | keith4, no errors in it |
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| 23:45.32 | keith4 | mne: try it dual 640x480 |
| 23:45.43 | mne | keith4, in the metamode line ? |
| 23:45.49 | keith4 | yah |
| 23:46.30 | mne | keith4, no changes. it works on the TV now, but the image on the CRT is gone |
| 23:46.56 | keith4 | try `startx -- -verbose 5` and see if the log is more helpful |
| 23:47.21 | mne | keith4, can i also do that with "X" ? i don't want to start my desktop all the time .. |
| 23:47.44 | abrotman | silent[ca]: it shows you the percentage |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | silent[ca]: also depends on the speed of the disks and system |
| 23:48.36 | keith4 | mne: huh? |
| 23:48.59 | mne | keith4, i found the direct X server option. just used it. i'm looking at the log right now |
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| 23:52.46 | mne | keith4, it says that the crt is assigned to CRTC0 and the TV to CRTC1. |
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| 23:53.05 | mne | keith4, again no errors |
| 23:53.16 | mne | keith4, but no picture on the CRT |
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| 23:57.19 | sine | i upgraded the alsa drivers and now there is no sound i.e its stopped working, what can i do |
| 23:58.01 | abrotman | un-upgrade them ? |
| 23:58.40 | sine | if i remove them |
| 23:59.06 | sine | then edit the sources.conf and remove the unstable link will it install it with the etch stable |
| 23:59.44 | Daveman | Hi abrotman :) |
