| 00:00.31 | sine | is there an apt-get logfile |
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| 00:01.35 | wols | dpkg* in your log dir |
| 00:02.23 | bigmatt | hey umm when i do apt-get install madwifi-tools it tells me it's referred to by another package and it's not available how would i go about installing it on stable? |
| 00:02.24 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | !info madwifi-tools etch |
| 00:02.41 | dpkg | madwifi-tools: (tools for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.2+dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 00:02.50 | keith4 | sine: there is a dpkg log |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | bigmatt: in contrib |
| 00:02.58 | keith4 | sine: run alsaconf, see what happens |
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| 00:03.19 | bigmatt | wow didnt notice that thanks :) |
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| 00:04.30 | sine | yes thanks wols and keith4 |
| 00:05.25 | sixty6billy | hi,. been trying to get a wless card configured for home network. using wpa, wpa_supplicant installed and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf edited appropriately. one thing, example file specifies ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant but its actually in /etc/. |
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| 00:05.39 | sine | im looking at it and her is a blinder, how can i search that log for the bit where it has the alsa ! let me guess: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep alsa |
| 00:06.17 | sine | woohoo |
| 00:06.26 | sixty6billy | also, once i've done this, i don't get how wlan0 will automatically use wpa_supplicant, and also how to get dhclient, which works for eth1 on same network, to assign ip/gateway/etc |
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| 00:11.04 | frankr | how can I find out exactly how much memory a process is using? |
| 00:11.05 | sine | keith4, works mate well done ! |
| 00:11.10 | frankr | it seems as if I use ps faux it shows a % |
| 00:12.03 | sine | is there a way of installing debian in the most minimum way possible |
| 00:12.19 | sine | that was a stupid question forget it |
| 00:12.40 | sine | basically without x or gnome |
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| 00:13.12 | sine | hey ! |
| 00:13.17 | sine | hello jetscreamer |
| 00:13.23 | sine | top debian helperer |
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| 00:13.38 | Dougy | Does anyone have a sources.list for deb 64? |
| 00:13.41 | Dougy | x86_63 |
| 00:13.42 | Dougy | 4 |
| 00:13.46 | frankr | sine: get a netinstall disc, install only whats on that disc |
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| 00:13.52 | jetscreamer | highsign |
| 00:13.52 | abrotman | !tell Dougy about mirrors |
| 00:14.00 | sine | thats what i got |
| 00:14.06 | sine | i got a netinstall disc |
| 00:14.08 | frankr | sine: ie don't give it any web repos that'll be a very minimal base system |
| 00:14.28 | jetscreamer | that was a clever play on 'hi sine' |
| 00:14.30 | frankr | sine: or you could do it w/ web repositories just don't check "Desktop Environment" when it asks what software you want to install |
| 00:14.38 | jetscreamer | you may now laugh uproariously |
| 00:14.49 | sine | i got a netinstall discloooooooo |
| 00:14.50 | frankr | just check base system and that will also be quite minimal but not as minimal as just a netinstall disc :P |
| 00:14.54 | jetscreamer | take off all those tasksel checkboxes |
| 00:14.58 | jetscreamer | even standard |
| 00:15.03 | Dougy | abrotman: United States ftp.us.debian.org /debian/ amd64 i386 |
| 00:15.07 | Dougy | how would i make the .deb entry |
| 00:15.11 | jetscreamer | if you have a laptop, the laptop one is good |
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| 00:15.19 | abrotman | !tell Dougy about sources.list |
| 00:15.20 | jetscreamer | the desktop and standard are bloat |
| 00:15.31 | sine | yes |
| 00:15.31 | keith4 | what's in "standard"? |
| 00:15.33 | sine | i got a laptop |
| 00:15.54 | sine | i want teminal to start first and then i want to be able to start x manually |
| 00:15.56 | jetscreamer | keith4: not sure, there is a way to find out.. tasksel --something task |
| 00:16.01 | jetscreamer | man tasksel |
| 00:16.06 | sine | without this pretty login prompt |
| 00:16.13 | keith4 | eh, i don't care *that* much.. just curious |
| 00:16.18 | jetscreamer | don't install gdm/xdm/kdm sine |
| 00:16.20 | keith4 | i always uncheck everything anyway |
| 00:16.29 | jetscreamer | not sure what exactly it pulls in |
| 00:16.37 | sine | ok ok |
| 00:17.06 | Dougy | abrotman: does it auto choose the proper OS? |
| 00:17.07 | jetscreamer | sine or backup and edit(empty out) /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | Dougy: yes |
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| 00:17.34 | Dougy | awesome. |
| 00:17.46 | qmr | I have purged apache stuff and deleted my /etc/apache2 to fix a problem |
| 00:17.59 | qmr | but when do aptitude install apache2 /etc/apache2 is not created. what the fuck? |
| 00:18.15 | sine | is there an option for kde |
| 00:18.23 | sine | i would like to try that out |
| 00:18.26 | frankr | sine: no I believe you have to install that manually |
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| 00:18.36 | Pig_Pen | any debian gurus know much about HAL? i built a new kernel for debian testing, and built filesystem support into the kernel itself so it can boot & run without an initrd, does HAL require an initrd for anything? amd does initrd do anything for debian besides filesystem support? |
| 00:18.51 | wols | !tell qmr about confmiss |
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| 00:19.00 | abrotman | qmr: because you messed up .. |
| 00:19.23 | jetscreamer | sine: kde is a metapackage that pulls in other metapackages.. know thy metapackage.. there are smaller ones to get the kde exp with, w/o the bloat |
| 00:19.36 | qmr | abrotman: a real answer would be nice, thanks. |
| 00:19.49 | abrotman | qmr: you already got one |
| 00:20.09 | jetscreamer | not big on other windows, eh qmr |
| 00:20.22 | qmr | wols: Ty for the info from bot. My understand was that when you did a purge, all conf files were removed, so I was thinking that things would be recreated automatically |
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| 00:21.50 | qmr | wols: dpkg --force-confmiss apache2 .. that isn't what I need to tell dpkg ? |
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| 00:22.02 | abrotman | that's not a valid command |
| 00:22.20 | mwn3d | my synaptic package manager only shows pidgin v2.0.1 when they are up to v2.2.0...am i missing a repository? |
| 00:22.26 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i |
| 00:22.31 | qmr | abrotman: why did the bot tell me to do it then? |
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| 00:22.40 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 00:22.51 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 00:22.52 | jetscreamer | but the bot said something about apt-get |
| 00:22.57 | abrotman | the bot didn't tell you to do that |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | you messed up again ... |
| 00:23.09 | jetscreamer | tsk |
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| 00:23.56 | qmr | Give me a break, I'm having a rough week |
| 00:24.05 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 00:24.10 | qmr | Mine is way worse |
| 00:24.13 | qmr | trust me |
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| 00:24.54 | yggdrasi1 | how do i find out what ver of debian im running / flavor |
| 00:25.02 | qmr | yggdrasi1: /etc/debian_version ? |
| 00:25.13 | Pig_Pen | my debian is chocolate flavored ;p |
| 00:26.05 | yggdrasi1 | it says 4.0 |
| 00:26.09 | yggdrasi1 | is that etch or sid ? |
| 00:26.14 | Pig_Pen | etch |
| 00:26.16 | jetscreamer | it's experimental |
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| 00:26.22 | yggdrasi1 | haha |
| 00:26.27 | yggdrasi1 | not sid though |
| 00:26.27 | abrotman | !etch |
| 00:26.27 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 00:26.52 | jetscreamer | less /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:26.58 | calmar | funny, with mplayer I can watch videos in the non-X console (framebuffer I guess). isn't there a picture viewer what can do that too? |
| 00:27.08 | jetscreamer | yes there is |
| 00:27.14 | yggdrasi1 | aye thanks |
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| 00:27.18 | yggdrasi1 | thats etch aright |
| 00:27.34 | jetscreamer | not sure the name, but you can even do the pictures in the root window think |
| 00:27.35 | jetscreamer | thing |
| 00:27.46 | calmar | jetscreamer: ok, I google thx a lot |
| 00:27.49 | yggdrasi1 | well im wondering why a certain app i have keeps sayin cnt find /dev/dsp |
| 00:28.08 | jetscreamer | something about oss i think |
| 00:28.12 | venger | i have a debootstap built box, any package that would populate a base/default inetd.conf? |
| 00:28.26 | calmar | yggdrasi1: (same here, don't have OSS enabled I think so) |
| 00:28.45 | yggdrasi1 | hmm |
| 00:28.47 | yggdrasi1 | thanks |
| 00:28.54 | yggdrasi1 | i thought alsa was all that was needed ? |
| 00:29.21 | calmar | xvidtune was the last app what told something about /dev/dsp |
| 00:30.08 | venger | there are quit a few nested options one was for creating /dev/dsp, i just ran across it recompiling 2.6.22.6 |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | snd_pcm_oss |
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| 00:30.37 | jetscreamer | there is an alsa-oss-somehting package also |
| 00:30.45 | calmar | oh |
| 00:31.15 | venger | i'd just hit help on the first batch inside the sound options |
| 00:32.37 | qmr | Ok, I did what the bot told me to do, and I still have no /etc/apache2 |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | you did it wrong :) |
| 00:33.03 | qmr | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install apache2 |
| 00:33.06 | qmr | How is that wrong? |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | the package is apache2.2-common |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | apache2 is a metapackage |
| 00:34.19 | qmr | Ok, now I have a /etc/apache2, but I get Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 00:34.49 | yggdrasi1 | calmar what pkg do you think would get oss ? |
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| 00:35.28 | Elive_user75 | hello, I just bought a intel dual core processor... should I download the amd64 iso? |
| 00:35.30 | craig__ | apt-cache search oss |
| 00:35.37 | calmar | yggdrasi1: well, alsa-oss but I'm still fiddling |
| 00:35.53 | yggdrasi1 | il try it |
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| 00:36.27 | qmr | Ok, now things sort of work, thank god. now I have to try to get php going again. I changed some packages and it randomly died. |
| 00:36.28 | Pig_Pen | Elibe_user75, no matter which Linux distro you use most definitly stick with a x86_64 platform |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | Elive_user75: that's up to you .. |
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| 00:36.46 | abrotman | Elive_user75: if it's just a regular desktop .. probably just i386 |
| 00:36.47 | Elive_user75 | I mean, if I want 64bits... |
| 00:37.09 | abrotman | Elive_user75: yes .. if you know you want amd64 .. get the amd64 netinst |
| 00:37.09 | JordiGH | ctrl+alt+(plus key) doesn't change resolutions in my X server. Did I inadvertently disable that somewhere? |
| 00:37.21 | abrotman | or you don't have other resolutions enabled |
| 00:37.46 | Elive_user75 | but i386 will use 64bit? |
| 00:37.55 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 00:38.03 | jetscreamer | but you can have a 64bit kernel |
| 00:38.12 | qmr | computers are so stupid |
| 00:38.17 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 00:38.21 | jetscreamer | blame the admin |
| 00:38.27 | jetscreamer | they're just as stupid as he is |
| 00:38.34 | yggdrasi1 | ¿Error: 2, No such file or directory </dev/dsp> |
| 00:38.35 | jetscreamer | fire that idiot |
| 00:38.36 | Elive_user75 | so, should I install i386, or amd64? |
| 00:38.41 | yggdrasi1 | thats the exact error |
| 00:40.46 | JordiGH | I prefer stupid computers to the apocalyptic alternative seen all too often in the science fiction stories. |
| 00:41.08 | jetscreamer | so is it really logical to eradicate the human race? |
| 00:41.16 | jetscreamer | computers seem to think so? |
| 00:41.24 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:41.28 | qmr | jetscreamer: shove it up your ass |
| 00:41.43 | jetscreamer | !comfort qmr |
| 00:41.43 | dpkg | There, there, qmr. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:41.53 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice qmr |
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| 00:42.14 | silent[ca] | !offtopic |
| 00:42.14 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 00:42.39 | calmar | yggdrasi1: well I won't know. alsa-oss seems to be the correct thing so. |
| 00:43.26 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep -i snd |
| 00:43.56 | jetscreamer | or lsmod |grep -i oss |
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| 00:46.09 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 00:46.09 | dpkg | methinks ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 00:46.15 | calmar | jetscreamer: that outputs some alsa modules |
| 00:46.24 | JordiGH | How did one redirect one dpkg factoid into another? |
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| 00:47.01 | ozatomic^ | i've jstu used apt to install "wine" and i keep getting segmentation faults in it, i have read to use "./configure CFLAGS=-fno-stack-protector" while compiling it, how can i make apt use this or do i haev to do this myself? |
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| 00:47.12 | jetscreamer | you mean how does one i guess |
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| 00:47.18 | abrotman | does antarctica have a TLD ? |
| 00:47.27 | jetscreamer | !tld |
| 00:47.27 | dpkg | hmm... tld is top level domain. .com, .org, .edu, and so on; also includes the country top-level domains .au, .it, .cx and so on, or see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for a complete listing |
| 00:47.44 | jetscreamer | i wouldn't think so but maybe |
| 00:47.46 | qmr | ozatomic^: use the wine packages from wine's website |
| 00:47.53 | jetscreamer | not enough population is it? |
| 00:48.05 | qmr | Ok, I purged apache config and got brand new one, and did the same thing with php, but I still get asked to open php files instead of server executing them |
| 00:48.06 | tremby | i'm fairly new to debian. how do i open an incoming port? in fedora i ran system-config-securitylevel and typed the port into an "allowed services" list. |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: easter island has one |
| 00:48.16 | abrotman | tremby: start the service |
| 00:48.24 | tremby | abrotman: it's running. it's mysql |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | qmr: clear browser cache, retsrart browser |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | tremby: that's a my.cnf config option IIRC |
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| 00:48.43 | JordiGH | Antarctica certainly wouldn't have an ISO country code, would it? |
| 00:48.47 | tremby | abrotman: i'll check that. thanks |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | jetscreamer: .aq .. go figure |
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| 00:49.05 | jetscreamer | "o |
| 00:49.11 | jetscreamer | "o" |
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| 00:49.35 | Enverex | hrm, there's probably an easy answer to this, but it's not in the manpage. How do you rip multiple select tracts on CDParanoia? I can do from the start to a point, or from one point to another or from one point to the end, but not specific tracks that aren't in a row (i.e. 3, 5, 14, 18) |
| 00:49.41 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: |
| 00:49.46 | jetscreamer | !info singularity |
| 00:49.51 | Nyle | mm |
| 00:49.51 | dpkg | singularity: (game where one becomes the singularity), section games, is optional. Version: 0.26a+r409-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1152 kB, Installed size: 1820 kB |
| 00:50.00 | Nyle | isn't it at the bottom of the black hole |
| 00:50.06 | azeem | Enverex: run cdparanoia in a bash for loop? |
| 00:50.10 | qmr | jetscreamer: that's the python game where you play a robot AI? |
| 00:50.20 | azeem | Enverex: (maybe you can do it from within cdparanoia, dunno) |
| 00:50.23 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I've played it. :-) |
| 00:50.24 | calmar | jetscreamer: about the viewer: fbi works nicely, thx again :) |
| 00:50.26 | jetscreamer | yeah and try to take over the cosmos |
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| 00:50.36 | Enverex | azeem, That's messy, I would have thought it would have a non-hacky way of doing it |
| 00:50.58 | JordiGH | It's a Python game? |
| 00:51.07 | JordiGH | It's amazing what one can do with an interpreted language. |
| 00:51.13 | jetscreamer | not sure about the python |
| 00:51.20 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 00:51.37 | JordiGH | implemented-in::python |
| 00:51.47 | JordiGH | I've never figured out how to use those tags. |
| 00:52.00 | gpm | debtags |
| 00:52.18 | JordiGH | Yeah, can you use them from aptitude? |
| 00:52.38 | gpm | i haven't figured that out either |
| 00:52.42 | qmr | php works again. thank you Jesus |
| 00:52.47 | peterS | you can but the interface isn't very friendly |
| 00:52.49 | unlink | why are my removable devices getting automounted as root? running pmount by hand works fine |
| 00:52.52 | tremby | abrotman: found the option i needed to change -- it was bound to only listen on localhost. had to change that to the machine's ip. |
| 00:52.54 | tremby | thanks |
| 00:52.55 | qmr | jetscreamer: have you ever actually 'won' that game? I played it a bit, but I thought it was very repetitive |
| 00:52.56 | JordiGH | Jesus probably had nothing to do with it, but I'll pass the message on to him. |
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| 00:53.03 | jetscreamer | yeah i beat it |
| 00:53.09 | qmr | jetscreamer: time? |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | tremby: the way it should be |
| 00:53.21 | tremby | abrotman: what's that? |
| 00:53.24 | jetscreamer | i enjoyed it... not good for a repeat though. a few hours |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | tremby: bound to lo |
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| 00:53.35 | jetscreamer | maybe a little more i forget |
| 00:53.41 | qmr | jetscreamer: that's what she said! |
| 00:53.52 | tremby | abrotman: bind was set to 127.0.0.1 but i couldn't connect from my other machine |
| 00:53.55 | jetscreamer | the last part takes the longest and is the most boring |
| 00:54.09 | abrotman | tremby: right .. that's the way it hsould be by default |
| 00:54.30 | sine | how do i check my loaded modules |
| 00:54.36 | tremby | abrotman: oh, understood. |
| 00:54.42 | sine | i think ive just made one and want to see if its loaded |
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| 00:55.07 | abrotman | sine: lsmod |
| 00:55.13 | JordiGH | I had forgotten why I came here. Right, I can't seem to change the X resolution with ctrl+alt+- and ctrl+alt+- |
| 00:55.45 | gpm | you're supposed to be able to do that? |
| 00:56.06 | JordiGH | Of course. |
| 00:56.13 | JordiGH | It's X. It can do anything. |
| 00:56.31 | gpm | i'm still waiting for my piece of toast. |
| 00:56.49 | peterS | you can but that's the old-school way, the new-school way is to use xrandr, which resizes your root window as well, which ctrl-alt-+ ctrl-alt-- does not |
| 00:57.04 | sine | i did make in its directory and it looks like it put a few files in the linux headers file |
| 00:57.05 | sine | do i have to reboot for it to load up |
| 00:57.07 | silent[ca] | I'm doing a fsck on a 1.1TB filesystem, how long will it take? |
| 00:57.15 | infernix | can anyone perhaps confirm that amarok in etch is incapable of playing flac? i'm wondering if its that, or that i messed something up |
| 00:57.29 | jetscreamer | xrandr -s 1024x768 , for instance |
| 00:57.31 | infernix | backporting from sid looks to be a nightmare for xine and amarok, so |
| 00:57.43 | peterS | silent[ca]: depends a great deal on (a) what filesystem it is, and (b) how much data and what pattern of it (large files, small files, large dirs, small dirs) |
| 00:57.51 | JordiGH | gpm: Use BSD: http://www.drtoast.com/toast/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/bsdtoaster.jpg |
| 00:58.12 | JordiGH | So is there an X hotkey for xrandr_ |
| 00:58.13 | JordiGH | ? |
| 00:58.17 | peterS | JordiGH: don't we have /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flyingtoasters? |
| 00:58.18 | gpm | JordiGH: that's a joke, right? |
| 00:58.27 | JordiGH | gpm: No, it really is a toaster running BSD. |
| 00:58.37 | JordiGH | gpm: I believe it pongs. |
| 00:58.39 | gpm | haha, beautiful |
| 00:58.46 | gpm | netbsd? |
| 00:58.50 | JordiGH | Yep. |
| 00:58.51 | silent[ca] | peterS, ext3, ~400gb data, large files, large directories |
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| 00:59.17 | peterS | silent[ca]: I can't actually answer your question, as I don't fsck often enough to have a good idea, but those are the things someone would have to know before they can answer |
| 00:59.40 | silent[ca] | its been going for a while now, when do you think I should assume the system has failed? |
| 00:59.46 | gpm | JordiGH: but X isn't making the toast! |
| 00:59.53 | peterS | silent[ca]: also, is it a full fsck or just the default fsck? the default shouldn't take all that long because it's mainly just replaying the journal |
| 00:59.57 | sine | ok i burnt a cd but it was really slow, is there some aspi layer or somthing i need |
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| 01:00.01 | gpm | JordiGH: you meant to say netbsd can do anything |
| 01:00.02 | CompWizrd | i had a 4tb take 3 weeks to xfs_check befor ei gave up on it and wiped it.. it varies too much to give you a number |
| 01:00.09 | silent[ca] | brb booting debian |
| 01:00.32 | JordiGH | peterS: I used to have a legally blind guy who actually liked having the huge resolution but with a large root window. Even then, he had to bring his nose up to the monitor to read the text. During lectures, he had to sit at the front of the class and use binoculars to read the blackboard. |
| 01:00.42 | peterS | sine: what does 'really slow' mean? like you expected to burn at 52x and it only burned at 16x? or? |
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| 01:01.08 | JordiGH | gpm: well.. I'm sure we can make an X app that will schedule toasting. It's just a matter of tweaking the bsd toaster. |
| 01:01.28 | gpm | JordiGH: fine, have your toast and eat it too. |
| 01:01.34 | peterS | JordiGH: or an x10 controller in front of a regular dumb toaster.... |
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| 01:01.54 | sine | i think it said that without scsi emulation it would b slow or somthing i cant remember |
| 01:02.01 | Agrajag- | sine: i use something like this "hdparm -d1 -c1 -a8 -u1 /dev/dvd" (check the manpage, and check your current values to see what that's changing) |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | maybe your media sucks ? |
| 01:02.19 | jetscreamer | i'm that blind w/o my glasses |
| 01:02.35 | JordiGH | xrandr aside, my question still stands. I can't change X resolution with the ctrl+alt+- keys. |
| 01:02.50 | gpm | yes, the media sucks. |
| 01:02.52 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: This guy was that blind *with* glasses. |
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| 01:02.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: other resolutions defined ? |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: does your grandr or xrandr work ? |
| 01:03.03 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:03.09 | Agrajag- | sine: because i have the same issue on boot (i can't be bothered figuring out how to make it remember those values) |
| 01:03.11 | JordiGH | abrotman: In xorg.conf? Of course. |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | erm |
| 01:03.27 | abrotman | xrandr does nothing |
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| 01:03.34 | sine | heh |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | there's a screen resolution thingie in gnome .. i'm guessing kde has similar .. do they work ? |
| 01:03.52 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yes, it works. But I want my keys back! |
| 01:04.17 | unlink | why might my removable storage be mounting as root? |
| 01:04.23 | JordiGH | abrotman: prboom is a little unstable and crashes the first time it plays certain sounds, leaving me with a botched resolution although the root window has the right size. I want to be able to fix that quickly. |
| 01:04.45 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: Option "DontZoom" "boolean" |
| 01:04.49 | peterS | JordiGH: make sure you don't have Option "DontZoom" "yes" in your ServerFlags section of xorg.conf, for one thing.... |
| 01:04.55 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/xorg.conf.5.html |
| 01:04.56 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Ah, neato. |
| 01:05.22 | JordiGH | Wait, "yes" or "no"? Don't I want to be able to zoom? |
| 01:05.34 | peterS | JordiGH: DontZoom means disable the feature |
| 01:05.52 | peterS | as in Do Not Zoom |
| 01:06.06 | jetscreamer | no means no do not do not zoom |
| 01:06.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:06.13 | JordiGH | But I want to be able to zoom? So "DontZoom" "No". |
| 01:06.14 | peterS | by default, that option is not present, and zooming is enabled |
| 01:06.25 | jetscreamer | correct |
| 01:06.36 | JordiGH | Oh. "make sure you don't have...." |
| 01:06.37 | jetscreamer | 2both |
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| 01:06.45 | peterS | but you still have to have multiple resolutions defined in the appropriate Section "Screen" SubSection "Display" |
| 01:06.48 | JordiGH | Fuck. I misread what peterS said. |
| 01:07.10 | peterS | so for example Modes "1600x1200" "1280x960" "1024x768" is what I have |
| 01:07.16 | JordiGH | Yes, I have those. |
| 01:07.21 | jetscreamer | something could be capturing the key combo for itself |
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| 01:07.43 | peterS | you probably know this already since you used to do it, but make sure the + - are the ones on your number pad, not the normal part of the keyboard |
| 01:08.21 | stew | jetscreamer: i don't think it is possible for someone else to grab it from the server itself |
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| 01:14.27 | shng9w | is there anything wrong with having a user take ownership of a device in /dev? (ie /dev/sdc)? |
| 01:14.49 | abrotman | you really shouldnt' have to |
| 01:15.45 | peterS | shng9w: usually we just do things like 'chgrp cdrom /dev/sdc', make it group-readable, and put users in the 'cdrom' group |
| 01:15.47 | shng9w | abrotman: i did it last night but, when i booted today, ownership went back to root |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | well .. sure |
| 01:16.11 | peterS | shng9w: in modern debian installs, /dev is controlled by a program called 'udev', which creates the whole thing from scratch every time you boot |
| 01:16.16 | abrotman | shng9w: those devices are created on each boot |
| 01:16.25 | abrotman | i think you need a dpkg-divert to change it ? |
| 01:16.39 | peterS | well, what you need is to express what you want to do in /etc/udev/rules.d/ files |
| 01:16.45 | Nyle | 1 |
| 01:16.48 | peterS | then udev makes your changes each time |
| 01:17.05 | peterS | but the format of those files is a bit overwhelming compared to chown/chgrp/chmod/ln -s |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | dpkg-divert can't do that? |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | or is that just for regular files ? |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | shng9w: which group currently owns the device ? |
| 01:17.47 | peterS | dpkg-divert only takes effect when dpkg tries to do something to the filesystem, like add/remove/upgrade |
| 01:17.55 | shng9w | peterS: if i do 'chgrp cdrom /dev/sdc' won't that revert on the next reboot? |
| 01:18.03 | shng9w | abrotman: disk |
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| 01:18.17 | abrotman | wait .. sdc is the whole drive |
| 01:18.18 | peterS | shng9w: yes it will. if you create a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ which expresses the same thing, it will persist. but those files are a bit hard to write. |
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| 01:18.47 | unlink | /media/* even show up as root when the devices are mounted by my gnome-volume-manager |
| 01:18.53 | peterS | shng9w: also, unlike hdX, sdX is only for disk media, not CDROM media, CDROM media use /dev/scdN instead. so if you really mean 'cdrom' there, you might have the wrong device anyway |
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| 01:21.36 | shng9w | ok. how about if i add a user to the disk grp. better or a bad idea? |
| 01:22.11 | shng9w | device has 660 permissions anyway |
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| 01:23.46 | dondelelcaro | shng9w: cdroms should be root:cdrom 660 |
| 01:24.06 | dondelelcaro | shng9w: and by default terminal users should be in the cdrom group |
| 01:24.56 | peterS | shng9w: being in the disk group means you can overwrite the entire filesystem, giving you unlimited root privileges. so probably not a great plan. |
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| 01:25.44 | gustavo | what happened with demonoid? :( |
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| 01:25.55 | Nyle | why are you asking in #debian? |
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| 01:26.24 | peterS | the 'cdrom' group really should be named 'remmedia' and used for floppies, cds, USB drives, ieee1394 drives |
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| 01:26.51 | Nyle | what does the video group do? |
| 01:26.55 | shng9w | peterS: sdc = hd not cdrom |
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| 01:27.07 | peterS | shng9w: I believe I said that already |
| 01:27.10 | Nyle | does one have to be a member of that group to play video or record it through devices? |
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| 01:27.31 | peterS | Nyle: I believe it's intended for direct access to the framebuffer and TV input/output cards |
| 01:27.32 | azeem | peterS: isn't that the plugdev group? |
| 01:27.48 | Nyle | is ee |
| 01:28.00 | peterS | azeem: hmm, perhaps so. I guess "plug" doesn't describe CDROM or floppy drives very well, but wouldn't you want the same users to have access to all of that? |
| 01:28.40 | CoolRazor | Can I install both Webmin AND ISPConfig on a Debian server? Or, will they conflict? |
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| 01:29.15 | unlink | why is my devices getting mounted as root? hald --verbose=yes --daemon=no prints this when inserting the device: using privilege hal-storage-removable-mount for uid 1000, system_bus_connection :1.72 |
| 01:31.11 | sponzor | how to set up kde ? |
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| 01:31.33 | abrotman | aptitude install kdm xorg kde |
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| 01:32.05 | ne0h | kde-base too.. |
| 01:33.05 | sponzor | aptitude? |
| 01:33.07 | azeem | W: Unable to locate package kde-base |
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| 01:33.16 | abrotman | it's kdebase |
| 01:33.23 | abrotman | ne0h: and you don't need kdebase if you install kde |
| 01:33.24 | azeem | and it's a kde depends |
| 01:33.26 | ne0h | sorry.. |
| 01:33.35 | azeem | sponzor: or synaptic |
| 01:34.02 | azeem | sponzor: are you running Gnome currently, or what? |
| 01:34.06 | en1gma | sup al |
| 01:34.08 | peterS | abrotman: or if you already have gdm, that will launch kde if you want it to (: |
| 01:34.09 | en1gma | all* |
| 01:34.26 | sponzor | yes i m running gnome |
| 01:34.32 | sponzor | never used gnome before :P |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. it would .. but one would guess if they had gdm .. they'd know how to get kde ? |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | or not ... |
| 01:34.41 | peterS | not necessarily.... |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | can i get a shirt that just says ".." ? :) |
| 01:35.13 | peterS | people will think it's supposed to be a pair of nipples |
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| 01:35.28 | abrotman | weirdo! |
| 01:35.58 | peterS | ok, maybe that's just me |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | peterS: did you know there's a chance the royals might not finish last?! :) |
| 01:36.39 | peterS | see now _that_ would be weird. I've gotten pretty used to that |
| 01:36.48 | peterS | not that I follow MLB particularly |
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| 01:37.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:37.06 | en1gma | i have a 1gig usb stick. this command "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda" with this "http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/" boot.img.gz file says my 1gig usb stick is basiacally a 256 |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | five games left .. and they're tied for last |
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| 01:37.36 | en1gma | is that boot.img.gz file specifically for a 256mb usb stick |
| 01:37.41 | peterS | en1gma: yeah that's what happens when you copy a partition table onto a disk. everyone just believes the partition table, which was intended for a different sized disk |
| 01:37.59 | JordiGH | Anyone tried out... |
| 01:38.01 | JordiGH | !info snowballz |
| 01:38.05 | dpkg | snowballz: (fun RTS game featuring snowball fights with penguins), section games, is extra. Version: 0.9.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2893 kB, Installed size: 3744 kB |
| 01:38.07 | JordiGH | .. yet? |
| 01:38.09 | peterS | en1gma: if you run 'cfdisk /dev/sda' it can probably fix that. not that I've tried |
| 01:38.17 | en1gma | peterS is there an option to tell it to be a 1gig instead of 256 |
| 01:38.29 | en1gma | ok let me try 1 sec |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | JordiGH: yes .. and last i tried .. it had serious issues |
| 01:38.50 | peterS | en1gma: the point would be to fix the partition size with cfdisk, if it will do that, _then_ fix the filesystem size with whatever resize tool fits the filesystem type |
| 01:38.58 | peterS | I forget what filesystem is used for the debian-installer disk image |
| 01:39.11 | JordiGH | abrotman: Aw. Serious issues in a 9.4 release isn't good. :-( |
| 01:39.15 | JordiGH | 0.9.4 release |
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| 01:39.29 | wimble | hi all, i am having issues getting sun-java5-jre working on debian etch amd64, what is the best method to use? |
| 01:39.33 | abrotman | JordiGH: i don't remember which version i tried |
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| 01:40.16 | JordiGH | Well, this sucks... I can't even load the game. |
| 01:40.25 | JordiGH | Maybe it doesn't like my X resolution... Let's resize. |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | IIRC .. it runs in a window |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | likely .. run it from a shell |
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| 01:40.57 | wimble | i enabled unstable repositories, used "aptitude -t unstable install sun-java5-jre", java -version shows it is in, but the web browser hasn't picked it up |
| 01:41.01 | en1gma | im trying gparted cause cfdisk wont even read it |
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| 01:41.10 | en1gma | mount -t auto isnt letting me mount it either |
| 01:41.19 | en1gma | its fat 16 so is that 'mount -t fat16' |
| 01:41.22 | abrotman | wimble: is there a plugin package ? |
| 01:41.24 | peterS | en1gma: does 'grep sda /proc/partitions' show anything other than sda? like does it show sda1? |
| 01:41.32 | peterS | en1gma: 'mount -t vfat' |
| 01:41.46 | JordiGH | Damnit. No. I can't get it to load at all. :-( |
| 01:41.50 | peterS | vfat autodetects fat12, fat16, fat32 |
| 01:42.06 | en1gma | peterS |
| 01:42.08 | en1gma | cpu-02:/home/barbara/Desktop# grep sda /proc/partitions |
| 01:42.08 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.44 | en1gma | but i did test it on a machine and it did boot up (i just didnt have an iso) on it |
| 01:42.57 | sponzor | am |
| 01:43.00 | peterS | en1gma: right so no partition table at all, just the fat16 filesystem. so it's a matter of resizing that filesystem. I don't know what tools in debian can do that. there is no 'resizevfat', but parted might be able. |
| 01:43.05 | en1gma | i couldnt fit cd1 onto it cause it said 233 meg free |
| 01:43.05 | sponzor | i did with aptitude ant it wants cd? |
| 01:43.12 | sponzor | i dont have cd i used netinstal |
| 01:43.16 | sponzor | what to do now? |
| 01:43.22 | en1gma | ok will try |
| 01:43.24 | peterS | sponzor: you can remove the cdrom from /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get update' |
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| 01:43.32 | sponzor | hmm ok |
| 01:43.33 | peterS | sponzor: then it will use the net for everything |
| 01:43.36 | wimble | sponzor" edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom for a start |
| 01:43.45 | en1gma | does zcat have an option to let me change the partition and file size or is that info all in the boot.img.gz itself |
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| 01:44.01 | zinx | en1gma: it's certainly not in zcat |
| 01:44.03 | azeem | en1gma: what does zcat have to do with partitions? |
| 01:44.10 | peterS | en1gma: that's contained in the image itself, zcat knows nothing about the fact that the image is a filesystem |
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| 01:44.28 | JordiGH | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 135 (XFree86-VidModeExtension) |
| 01:44.38 | peterS | azeem: well, he did 'zcat d-i > /dev/sda' and now has a small filesystem on a big usb drive. so he assumed zcat might be doing something special. (of course it is not.) |
| 01:44.44 | JordiGH | Maybe if I tried a lower X depth... |
| 01:44.58 | en1gma | ok wasnt sure cause i really dont use zcat (thought it was a decompressor) but wasnt sure |
| 01:45.00 | JordiGH | Can I switch depth without restarting X? |
| 01:45.11 | en1gma | gparted shows it correct as 953mb |
| 01:45.17 | peterS | JordiGH: xrandr is supposed to support depths, but I don't think the current version and current X drivers do |
| 01:45.45 | en1gma | gparted is also showing a little triangle with exclamation point to though |
| 01:45.48 | peterS | en1gma: yeah the _disk_ is 953MB, but the _filesystem_ on it is not. resizing the partition (in this case, the disk) is not possible, since it's the whole disk, but you still need to resize the _filesystem_ on the disk |
| 01:46.01 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 01:46.03 | peterS | en1gma: since gparted deals with both concepts, I hoped maybe it can resize the _filesystem_ itself |
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| 01:47.03 | peterS | en1gma: if it were an ext2 or ext3 filesystem, you'd do this with 'resize2fs /dev/sda' and that would be that. but there is no equivalent tool for fat16. hence trying to use gparted to do this. |
| 01:47.07 | en1gma | that warning in gparted says "unable to read the contents of the fs" |
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| 01:47.43 | sine | ok i want to resize my main main partition so i can install windowsxp on the other one |
| 01:47.52 | sine | will this fuck my system up |
| 01:47.55 | en1gma | i used cfdisk last time to get it ready...i gonna restart with gparted |
| 01:48.01 | peterS | en1gma: you can recreate the whole thing with 'mkdosfs' from the dosfstools package. then recopy the files onto the disk, then make it bootable again. that's a few steps, but it should work. |
| 01:48.14 | keith4 | how do I tell xorg to ignore the fact that it can't get EDID info for an HD TV? |
| 01:48.46 | peterS | keith4: doesn't it already ignore that, and continue with your hard-coded monitor sync values and mode lines? |
| 01:49.24 | keith4 | nope |
| 01:49.36 | peterS | what, it tries edid, then dies? |
| 01:49.39 | keith4 | with just the TV attached... i get no output |
| 01:49.42 | keith4 | so I'm trying twinview |
| 01:49.50 | keith4 | and... it crashes I guess |
| 01:50.06 | peterS | post your log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) to a paste site, let me look |
| 01:50.21 | keith4 | ok |
| 01:50.29 | peterS | I won't hang around here too long as I have to sleep to get over a cold, but I'll at least look |
| 01:50.50 | en1gma | peterS i was following this guide http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en this section 4.4.2.1.but i could not complete this step "Mount the partition (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt) and copy the following files from the Debian archives to the stick:" cause i dont know what files its talking about |
| 01:50.59 | en1gma | so i had to use zcat...its alternate method |
| 01:51.15 | keith4 | http://pastebin.com/m728b4bbd |
| 01:51.19 | keith4 | that's verbose 5 |
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| 01:53.00 | keith4 | peterS: for the record, it works fine over VGA, but not DVI->HDMI |
| 01:53.27 | en1gma | peterSi mean right under that it lists "vmlinuz", "initrd.gz" and "syslinux.cfg" but (ALL) those files are not at http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 01:53.40 | peterS | keith4: interesting. I don't know much about DVI and HDMI signaling. I notice it defaults to 800x600 at 60 Hz there. do you happen to know the correct timing values and resolution for the TV? |
| 01:54.05 | sponzor | what is gdm and kdm? |
| 01:54.16 | sine | is there a way i can make gnome look better |
| 01:54.20 | Xero | GDM is Gnome Display Manager. KDM is KDE Display Manager. |
| 01:54.23 | Xero | Kthx. |
| 01:54.31 | sponzor | ok tnx |
| 01:54.32 | keith4 | peterS: eh.... no |
| 01:55.02 | peterS | en1gma: indeed, syslinux.cfg is missing. it is present inside boot.img.gz but of course that's a bit of a pain to get to |
| 01:55.21 | JordiGH | Er, how can I see what depth X is actually running at? |
| 01:55.21 | Dougy | dohaiehgg |
| 01:55.25 | Dougy | wee |
| 01:55.25 | Dougy | :D |
| 01:55.26 | peterS | en1gma: since you've already done the zcat trick, you could copy syslinux.cfg from your usb stick to somewhere else, then redo the operation the other way |
| 01:55.37 | peterS | JordiGH: xdpyinfo |
| 01:55.43 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
| 01:55.49 | en1gma | damn i just deleted that partition |
| 01:55.55 | en1gma | ok i can redo it thats cool |
| 01:55.57 | en1gma | thanks |
| 01:56.16 | peterS | keith4: hmmm, well, if plug-n-play (EDID) doesn't work, and you don't know the right numbers to plug in, I'm not sure how we can solve this |
| 01:56.38 | peterS | keith4: maybe you can copy down the right numbers from it running off the VGA port, since you said it worked there |
| 01:56.39 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.41 | JordiGH | That it? |
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| 01:56.44 | peterS | JordiGH: yes |
| 01:57.02 | keith4 | peterS: how would I find the info for a mode line? |
| 01:57.23 | JordiGH | Hm. If I'm having problems with an OpenGL game crashing, I guess I should try reducing that number... Let's see... |
| 01:57.28 | peterS | keith4: simple way is to install the 'read-edid' package. then run 'get-edid | parse-edid' and it outputs some info in the exact format that you paste into xorg.conf |
| 01:57.40 | keith4 | ooh |
| 01:57.57 | peterS | keith4: if you've got enough experience you can read the right numbers from the Xorg.0.log and figure out where they go, but get-edid|parse-edid is probably still easier |
| 01:57.57 | venger | if i enable a module in .config how can i build that module without recompiling the kernel? |
| 01:58.07 | peterS | venger: make drivers/net/foo.ko |
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| 01:59.08 | peterS | venger: of course you want to take care to use the same gcc version that the rest of your kernel uses. see 'cat /proc/version' for a clue on that. so if it says 'gcc version 4.1.2....' you have to pass 'CC=gcc-4.1' to the make command |
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| 02:00.09 | venger | dpkg -l gcc returns 4.2.1-6 only |
| 02:00.10 | dpkg | ii gcc returns 4.2.1-6 only 3.4-14.1 venger's private stamp collection |
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| 02:00.20 | venger | lol |
| 02:00.26 | peterS | venger: 'aptitude install gcc-4.1' then, if you need that |
| 02:00.26 | keith4 | peterS: it doesn't look reassuring |
| 02:00.35 | peterS | keith4: get-edid doesn't succeed? |
| 02:01.04 | keith4 | peters: http://pastebin.com/m69aed401 |
| 02:01.17 | keith4 | does it matter what video card I use? |
| 02:01.21 | Varange | hi. I have a public key in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub. I want to add another one. Do I just add it to the end of this one? |
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| 02:01.49 | peterS | keith4: hehe, yes, that data is most certainly garbage |
| 02:01.55 | peterS | keith4: and yes, a different card might work |
| 02:02.13 | keith4 | ok |
| 02:03.31 | peterS | keith4: anyway - if you want to just start up the X server with the HDTV plugged into VGA, and get the Xorg.0.log from that, you can probably get away with just the two sets of numbers from lines 344 and 345 of your previous paste - "Valid HSync Range", "Valid VRefresh Range" |
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| 02:04.25 | peterS | keith4: and if you want a modeline to hard-code later, you can get that from a running X session with "xvidtune -show" |
| 02:05.07 | keith4 | good to know. i'm going to go cannibalize another box |
| 02:05.23 | peterS | either way, whatever sounds easier to you |
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| 02:05.53 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 02:06.02 | JordiGH | Changing the depth and resolution doesn't seem to work. |
| 02:06.07 | JordiGH | I want to control my army of penguins! |
| 02:06.16 | peterS | right, I don't think you can change depth without restarting X |
| 02:06.26 | peterS | oh - you mean changing to a lower depth doesn't fix your game |
| 02:06.26 | JordiGH | No, I restarted X. |
| 02:06.31 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 02:06.33 | peterS | doh |
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| 02:08.05 | yaarg | i deleted the stock inittab |
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| 02:08.08 | yaarg | help! |
| 02:08.12 | peterS | keith4: I do find it odd that EDID, which is essentially a digital interface, works over VGA (an analog standard) but not over your digital outputs.... |
| 02:08.20 | lfs | FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylind Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 02:08.30 | peterS | yaarg: hold on a sec, let me get you mine |
| 02:08.34 | lfs | How can that be? |
| 02:08.40 | yaarg | peterS: thanks |
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| 02:08.54 | lfs | THat came when starting cfdisk |
| 02:09.05 | peterS | yaarg: http://p12n.org/tmp/inittab - but note that it uses mingetty, so you have to 'apt-get install mingetty' |
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| 02:09.28 | yaarg | peterS: heh i was changing it to mingetty when i deleted it |
| 02:09.33 | sine | i keep changing my time but it keeps changing itself back how do i do it perm |
| 02:09.34 | peterS | yaarg: heh, have fun then |
| 02:09.35 | yaarg | d'oh |
| 02:09.56 | peterS | sine: hwclock --systohc |
| 02:10.16 | JordiGH | That's it. I'm reporting a bug. |
| 02:10.25 | yaarg | that's a thing. what do i have to do if i dual boot windows and linux? |
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| 02:10.31 | yaarg | for time... |
| 02:10.36 | yaarg | doesn't sync |
| 02:10.44 | peterS | sine: that sets your CMOS clock to match the running system. you might need --utc or --localtime for that, if it doesn't already happen to know which you use (see the "UTC" line in /etc/default/rcS) |
| 02:11.26 | peterS | yaarg: windows is dumb about handling DST time changes, so Linux has to accommodate that as best it can. use 'UTC=no' in /etc/default/rcS on Linux. |
| 02:11.50 | peterS | yaarg: then set your clock in Linux, using for example 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org', and then 'hwclock --systohc --localtime' |
| 02:11.55 | popt | my sys time clock always 6 hours earlier my local time, every time it boots |
| 02:11.58 | sine | cool thats what i needed set it to cmos i see the error on startup where it couldnt set the time |
| 02:12.06 | yaarg | peterS: right thanks |
| 02:12.06 | peterS | popt: do what I just told yaarg to do.... |
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| 02:12.36 | peterS | (ntpdate might not be installed by default, but it's a simple 'aptitude install ntpdate' away, if needed) |
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| 02:14.08 | lfs | fdisk and parted both start, cfdisk will not start. |
| 02:14.32 | pike_ | cfdisk is largely fluff anyway :) |
| 02:14.33 | peterS | cfdisk might be annoyed by an invalid partition table. if you want to wipe the disk in question completely clean, you can use 'cfdisk -z'. |
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| 02:14.45 | lfs | I have Debian on it. |
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| 02:14.48 | peterS | that ignores the present partition table and writes a whole new one when you tell it to |
| 02:14.53 | lfs | I do not want to do that |
| 02:15.21 | lfs | I am just wondering why it doesn't work |
| 02:15.21 | popt | pool.ntp.org, is it a time site |
| 02:15.46 | peterS | popt: it is _lots_ of time sites, served by round-robin DNS. very cool stuff. or use 'us.pool.ntp.org' or 'eu.pool.ntp.org' or lots of other more specific subsets |
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| 02:16.25 | peterS | popt: (yes, that includes cn.pool.ntp.org) |
| 02:16.25 | popt | oh |
| 02:16.32 | Wettoad | has anyone else noticed X.org 7.3 being really slow, specifically when switching desktops in KDE? |
| 02:16.37 | popt | yes, you know my time? |
| 02:16.46 | peterS | popt: I looked up your IP (: |
| 02:16.54 | popt | yes, thanks |
| 02:17.03 | popt | Im a chinese girl |
| 02:17.12 | JordiGH | Oops, I forgot to add a little information to my bug report. I have to wait until whatever helpful bot assigns my bug a number before I can submit further information, right? |
| 02:17.26 | peterS | JordiGH: right |
| 02:17.29 | lfs | How many sectors is 75 GIGS? |
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| 02:17.49 | peterS | lfs: run this: expr 75000000000 / 1024 |
| 02:17.49 | gustavo | has someone ever installed DBDesigner on linux? |
| 02:18.00 | sine | whats an elite movie player |
| 02:18.07 | sine | i dont like the totem one |
| 02:18.09 | peterS | lfs: or actually divide by 512, partition tables are expressed in 512-byte sectors |
| 02:18.20 | azeem | sine: sorry, but totem is the most elite |
| 02:18.21 | peterS | sine: the cool kids use mplayer, but it has a crappy GUI |
| 02:18.30 | JordiGH | sine: VLC is usually pretty good. mplayer is also pretty advanced, but it's too techie for my taste. |
| 02:18.43 | sine | azeem why is totem good |
| 02:18.51 | azeem | it's not good, it's elite |
| 02:19.01 | JordiGH | Is that elite as in l33t? |
| 02:19.03 | peterS | xine-ui is elite too. and even less good. |
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| 02:19.17 | azeem | nah, elite as in Gnome |
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| 02:19.46 | epsilon | xine-ui is nice but buggy... if I resize the window, it crashes entire X |
| 02:19.48 | peterS | if you want the player used by the most elitist group of people, that would be quicktime |
| 02:19.49 | iKernel | Alright, what gives? I'm trying to compile glibc 2.6.1 under Debian GNU/Linux, but I get the error make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/home/kernel/Desktop/build/Versions.all', needed by `/home/kernel/Desktop/build/abi-versions.h'. Stop. There is no such file in my glibc source distribution at all. |
| 02:19.54 | sine | hmmm thats a thought are there non x dependant video players that you can run from console |
| 02:19.55 | peterS | since the mac users all use that |
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| 02:19.56 | iKernel | There are plenty of files called Versions though, and I'll put a list on pastebin if you like. |
| 02:20.00 | sixty6billy | hi, is anyone aware of issues with the rt61 wireless pci card / and WPA authentication |
| 02:20.03 | sixty6billy | ? |
| 02:20.12 | peterS | sine: mplayer has several console drivers, including one or two for linux framebuffer |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | !tell LampoNero about away |
| 02:20.19 | sine | cool ! |
| 02:20.23 | JordiGH | sine: mplayer has an ASCII output driver. |
| 02:20.31 | sine | loool |
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| 02:20.39 | sine | funneh |
| 02:20.48 | peterS | there's no way mplayer ascii output could compare to hand-tuned ascii pr0n from the early 90s |
| 02:20.50 | JordiGH | sine: ASCII pr0n the way it was meant to be. |
| 02:20.54 | Wettoad | ascii googles: http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=1377 |
| 02:20.55 | sine | haha |
| 02:21.02 | Gnu_Raiz | sixty6billy: what driver are you using. |
| 02:21.05 | sine | that would be so funny if there was one |
| 02:21.08 | sine | can you imagine |
| 02:21.10 | JordiGH | Or is it VLC who has the ASCII output? |
| 02:21.24 | popt | If the full NTP daemon from the package "ntp" is installed, then ntpdate is not necessary. |
| 02:21.33 | sixty6billy | Gnu_Raiz: rt61 driver from serialmonkey |
| 02:21.34 | popt | what's full NTP deamon |
| 02:21.36 | sine | are you joking ? |
| 02:21.36 | JordiGH | No, it is mplayer. |
| 02:21.46 | peterS | popt: the 'ntp' package is what they're talking about |
| 02:21.48 | popt | is it also a debian pkg? |
| 02:22.01 | keith4 | peterS: i also find that odd |
| 02:22.02 | JordiGH | sine: I'm not joking. mplayer does have an ASCII output driver. |
| 02:22.03 | dalias | peters, lol |
| 02:22.11 | Gnu_Raiz | I have an rt73 which has no problems. but you might want to check the change log. |
| 02:22.13 | dalias | mplayer supports aalib, yes |
| 02:22.20 | dalias | and the new colored thing like it |
| 02:22.20 | LampoNero | abrotman, posso rimanere away qui? |
| 02:22.22 | peterS | popt: you can find out whether it is a package with 'aptitude install ntp' |
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| 02:22.25 | peterS | popt: or 'apt-cache show ntp' |
| 02:22.31 | dalias | but i have a better plan in the works |
| 02:22.31 | Gnu_Raiz | some ralink drivers do not play nice with wpa. |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | LampoNero: english |
| 02:22.34 | JordiGH | dalias: 16 colours in tty? |
| 02:22.44 | dalias | using unicode blockdrawing characters and 256-color terminal :))) |
| 02:22.50 | popt | all right, checking |
| 02:22.52 | peterS | LampoNero: yes, you can lurk here, but we don't like to see your /away message publicly |
| 02:23.01 | LampoNero | ok |
| 02:23.05 | Gnu_Raiz | lets say wpa supplicant |
| 02:23.16 | JordiGH | dalias: That's pretty cool. Probably enough for watching cartoons. |
| 02:23.21 | troubled | JordiGH: how do dvd movies look in aalib? |
| 02:23.25 | wimble | can some help please? trying to install java-plugin for Iceweasel, follow instructions, using non-free repos ... sun-java5-plugin does not seem to exist. what is going on? |
| 02:23.32 | JordiGH | troubled: Like crap. :-) But at least they play. |
| 02:23.32 | peterS | troubled: never mind that, ask about the aa port of quake |
| 02:23.36 | dalias | jordigh, actually i think it would be really slow tho |
| 02:23.54 | dalias | because of so many bytes to change color and send the character (3 bytes utf-8) |
| 02:23.54 | LampoNero | bye |
| 02:23.58 | JordiGH | dalias: I've used it once. It wasn't slow. Just kinda hard to figure out what was going on unless you squinted. |
| 02:24.05 | dalias | i mean the idea i have |
| 02:24.07 | Gnu_Raiz | what does java --version show |
| 02:24.09 | JordiGH | dalias: Oh, but I used black-and-white ASCII. |
| 02:24.12 | troubled | peterS: i can only imagine. you wouldnt know if you just killed someone, or they are swearing at you :) |
| 02:24.13 | dalias | unicode boxdraw + 256-color |
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| 02:24.27 | wimble | java version "1.5.0_12" etc etc etc |
| 02:24.30 | dalias | the main target for that is not actually mplayer but elinks |
| 02:24.32 | peterS | troubled: I haven't tried it, but someone did that many years ago, slashdot was amazed, etc. |
| 02:24.37 | dalias | for rendering images in a textmode browser :) |
| 02:24.37 | Gnu_Raiz | thats a good start, |
| 02:24.51 | keith4 | peterS: new video card helps a lot! |
| 02:25.00 | wimble | debian amd64 btw ... |
| 02:25.04 | peterS | keith4: get-edid works now? |
| 02:25.14 | JordiGH | dalias: Right, I've seen that use of aalib too. Problem is that it does one ASCII char per pixel, which doesn't fit in most consoles. :-( |
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| 02:25.33 | keith4 | peters: no, but I can get 1024x768 to display |
| 02:25.37 | JordiGH | Btw, strictly speaking, what's the difference between a console, a terminal, and a teletype? |
| 02:25.40 | JordiGH | Is there one? |
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| 02:25.44 | peterS | JordiGH: 144x72 is enough to watch very low res video (: that's my text console..... |
| 02:25.56 | aredhel | wimble, there is no java plugin for amd54 |
| 02:25.58 | keith4 | peterS: the EDID data is still crap... but better crap: http://pastebin.com/m3071da14 |
| 02:26.00 | Gnu_Raiz | that could be a problem, as you might need to check google, you might need the 32 bit version. |
| 02:26.01 | aredhel | *64 |
| 02:26.08 | dalias | jordigh, ok here goes... |
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| 02:26.21 | Gnu_Raiz | or run the 32 bit in a chroot. |
| 02:26.21 | dalias | a teletype really means the old device that was a typewriter attached to a phoneline :) |
| 02:26.27 | wimble | ah damn, i don't want to do that 32bit-chroot rubbish ... |
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| 02:26.30 | peterS | JordiGH: teletype (tty) was a keyboard+printer+paper console (no screen) back in the 1970s, and the name 'tty' stuck for talking about Unix terminal devices. meaning anything you can type at, physically or virtually. |
| 02:26.56 | Gnu_Raiz | should be a lot on the archive, and google about the finer details. |
| 02:26.59 | dalias | a tty or unix teletype device is a kernel device that transmits characters in one end of it and out the other, and has some line-control commands available |
| 02:27.13 | sixty6billy | Gnu_Raiz: seems i got it working with the rt2x00 driver and wext |
| 02:27.13 | sixty6billy | Gnu_Raiz: after about 4 hours of trying and excessive use of make |
| 02:27.20 | wimble | Gnu_Raiz: ok, cheers |
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| 02:27.28 | keith4 | peters: the xorg log is showing 1920x1080 in EDID... I think i'm in business. thanks |
| 02:27.33 | peterS | keith4: very interesting. the 207 MHz dot clock actually seems reasonable. the other numbers, not so much.... |
| 02:27.37 | dalias | it can be connected to a physical line (e.g. serial/modem) or looped back to another process (xterm, etc.) on the same machine |
| 02:27.48 | JordiGH | peterS: I've heard of these fabled teletypes. Absurd liberal myth. |
| 02:27.59 | wimble | why ppl make multimedia only available using Java is beyond me ... only reason i am doing this ... |
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| 02:28.12 | Gnu_Raiz | ouch, I have a problem with ifup and ifdown, and have to use my own login script. |
| 02:28.16 | dalias | a terminal [emulator] is something that provides a character-oriented display, usually with cursor-movement, scrolling, etc. |
| 02:28.20 | peterS | keith4: right, 1920x1080 is of course exactly right. so plug those numbers in somewhere.... if it can tell you the vertical refresh range and the horizontal sync range, you can put those in xorg.conf |
| 02:28.39 | Gnu_Raiz | something about network manager that messes stuff up. |
| 02:28.40 | aredhel | wimble, you can use appletviewer from the java dev kit. |
| 02:28.57 | Galaxor | Hi. I'm trying to use dpkg --instdir. I am successful in installing the files to my /test directory. For example, in installing figlet, I got /test/usr/bin/figlet. But it says the post-installation script failed because "no such file or directory". I think this is because it runs the post-installation script in a chroot /test. Well, I don't want to have to install a full linux distro under /test. Just certain stuff. Any ideas? |
| 02:28.59 | wimble | aredhel: k will look |
| 02:29.00 | dalias | and a console sometimes is used to mean the same as a terminal, but it usually refers to the main local display/keyboard of a unix machine and the kernel-internal console driver |
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| 02:29.14 | dalias | as opposed to an xterm/screen/etc. session |
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| 02:29.18 | peterS | keith4: from my xorg.conf (6 separate lines): Section "Monitor" Identifier "IBM P200" Option "DPMS" HorizSync 30-95 VertRefresh 50-90 EndSection |
| 02:29.26 | JordiGH | Galaxor: How about just extracting the package? |
| 02:29.40 | sarixe | is linux 2.6.22 almost ready for testing, or is it still quite far off? |
| 02:29.48 | peterS | keith4_: so a similar section, with your numbers, should work for you |
| 02:29.59 | JordiGH | ? |
| 02:30.01 | JordiGH | !linux |
| 02:30.01 | dpkg | linux is probably closed |
| 02:30.07 | sarixe | what? |
| 02:30.11 | peterS | !why is linux-2.6 not in testing |
| 02:30.11 | dpkg | linux-2.6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 |
| 02:30.14 | wimble | disappointing that java support for 64bit seems so adhoc ... given Debian is an awesome distro |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | i think the factoid is closed |
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| 02:30.26 | sarixe | uh |
| 02:30.27 | JordiGH | What does that mean? |
| 02:30.30 | sarixe | wtf? |
| 02:30.31 | JordiGH | dpkg, linux is a kernel. |
| 02:30.32 | dpkg | JordiGH: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 02:30.35 | sarixe | linux 2.6 is in testing. |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | JordiGH: what did i just tell you ? |
| 02:30.41 | peterS | sarixe: version 2.6.22 of it is not |
| 02:30.47 | sarixe | true... |
| 02:30.50 | Galaxor | JordiGH: Well, I want this to be a part of apt-get, too. So that all packages from here on out are installed on /test (or whatever I eventually decide to call it). I want to start putting stuff I install from now on into a different partition. |
| 02:30.51 | sarixe | but dpkg says 2.6 |
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| 02:30.52 | JordiGH | abrotman: I wanted to see what "closed" meant. :-) |
| 02:31.00 | sarixe | but |
| 02:31.02 | sarixe | thanks anyway |
| 02:31.03 | aredhel | wimble, it's suns fault. It will get fixed as soon as the open source version of java is ready. |
| 02:31.11 | peterS | sarixe: you asked, I answered. if you don't like the answer, don't complain. the URL will give you good information. |
| 02:31.14 | JordiGH | Galaxor: What are you trying to do? |
| 02:31.15 | sarixe | i'm not |
| 02:31.17 | sarixe | thanks |
| 02:31.21 | sarixe | and wow, that sucks |
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| 02:31.30 | keith4 | peterS: it looks like xorg can read the EDID correctly, because I did `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`, and set only one mode of 1920x1080 in that generic conf file, and it works fine |
| 02:31.32 | JordiGH | !tell sarixe about enter |
| 02:31.32 | wimble | aredhel: ok |
| 02:31.43 | Galaxor | JordiGH: I've got my base system installed on /. But from now on, I want the new things I install to be put onto /otherpartition. |
| 02:31.47 | peterS | sarixe: note some of that stuff is false positives, things that the release managers will just force when the time comes |
| 02:31.58 | peterS | keith4: w00t! |
| 02:32.01 | sarixe | JordiGH : sorry |
| 02:32.05 | abrotman | Galaxor: uhm .. that's likely to not work |
| 02:32.07 | peterS | keith4: now to see if that same mode works for the DVI output |
| 02:32.12 | JordiGH | sarixe: No worries. Just don't do it. :-) |
| 02:32.17 | sarixe | true |
| 02:32.26 | sarixe | alright, thanks guys |
| 02:32.57 | Galaxor | abrotman: Hm. Is there a better way to start spilling onto a new partition? |
| 02:33.19 | abrotman | this isn't windows |
| 02:33.24 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 02:33.24 | dpkg | i heard unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
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| 02:33.32 | abrotman | uhm .. |
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| 02:33.48 | Galaxor | abrotman: I was considering doing something with aufs, but I had bad experiences with that. |
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| 02:34.06 | Galaxor | It kept on crashing and I'd have to reboot my system. |
| 02:34.07 | peterS | speaking of aufs, I need to gehen aufs Bette |
| 02:34.11 | JordiGH | Galaxor: How big is your partition anyways? I've never managed to install more than six gigs or so of Debian, and I only get this large when I start downloading teh gamez. |
| 02:34.30 | Daveman | damn this driver |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | PULL OVER! |
| 02:34.59 | Galaxor | JordiGH: My partition is 10GB. But I've got another that's like 50G. |
| 02:35.18 | JordiGH | Galaxor: And you've managed to fill up a 10 gig partition excluding the stuff in /home? |
| 02:35.48 | Galaxor | Hm. /home on a separate partition... That might work. |
| 02:36.00 | Galaxor | JordiGH: No, I'm planning for the future. |
| 02:36.14 | keith4 | now how do I fix the... overscan? |
| 02:36.24 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.40 | Daveman | hehe |
| 02:36.49 | peterS | Galaxor: what you generally want for that is LVM - you set those two partitions as PVs (physical volumes) participating in the same VG (volume group), and you can create and resize LVs (logical volumes, which can hold filesystems) inside the VG, across PV boundaries |
| 02:36.56 | JordiGH | Galaxor: I think it's unlikely that you'll ever manage to make Debian itself take up more than 10 gigs. At least, not within the next five years. |
| 02:37.12 | Galaxor | aufs would do exactly what I'd like -- it would allow me to freeze this as the "dist state", and have everything else go to a separate partition, and then I could return to the "dist state" if I want to. |
| 02:37.16 | JordiGH | Setting up LVM, however, involves doing a complete repartition of your hd. |
| 02:37.21 | Galaxor | But aufs is not stable enough. |
| 02:37.28 | Galaxor | LVM, eh? |
| 02:38.03 | Varange | strange little problem here. I give a user root rights to tar through sudo, then run tar on /etc/. it won't read the files that are chmod 600, which is strange since the user has root privileges. Ideas please? |
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| 02:38.29 | dalias | giving user perms to sudo tar is a very bad idea |
| 02:38.36 | dalias | you might as well just make them root.. |
| 02:38.41 | JordiGH | Varange: Who owns those files? root can't do things it forbids itself from doing, like reading the user files of a user who doesn't allow everyone to read the files. |
| 02:38.41 | peterS | Galaxor: it's the most standard way we have for letting you span physical partitions arbitrarily |
| 02:38.45 | Varange | dalias, the user is my own account |
| 02:39.09 | JordiGH | peterS: But you can't setup LVM without repartitioning, can you? |
| 02:39.11 | peterS | LVM frees you from even worrying about physical partition sizes, it is all virtualised into a big pool of space |
| 02:39.24 | Varange | JordiGH, root owns them. Files like passwd-, which is 0600 |
| 02:39.30 | peterS | JordiGH: no you can turn existing partitions into LVM physical volumes (PVs). though you do lose the data that was on them. |
| 02:39.32 | craig__ | dalias: why not just give suid to bash ? |
| 02:39.34 | binfalse | ?? |
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| 02:39.40 | dalias | craig__, exactly... |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | Varange: AIUI .. yu're giving access to tar .. not to read those files ? |
| 02:39.51 | JordiGH | dalias: Why? |
| 02:40.03 | Varange | abrotman, ahhh. I think I see where this is going |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | all this love and hate! |
| 02:40.14 | dalias | because it encourages super-insecure bogus setups that totally circumvent the whole concept of user accounts |
| 02:40.43 | Varange | abrotman, I need it to make backups. The user streams the tar over SSH to another box. |
| 02:40.48 | JordiGH | dalias: Like hitting "yes, yes, yes, yes" in Windows all the time without even noticing what it's asking you to do? |
| 02:41.03 | dalias | jordigh, exactly :) |
| 02:41.23 | Galaxor | Okay, I'll go read about lvm. Thanks. |
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| 02:41.44 | JordiGH | dalias: At least my l?users aren't in sudoers. :-) |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | do they know root ? |
| 02:42.08 | JordiGH | No, of course not. |
| 02:42.09 | Varange | abrotman, so under the user account a script runs something like tar zcf - /etc | ssh otherbox "cat > etc.tar.gz" |
| 02:42.16 | Daveman | anyone here familiar with zd1211? |
| 02:42.25 | Varange | abrotman, the user account is my own account, I'm root too |
| 02:42.29 | JordiGH | I told them, feel free to do whatever you want with these machines. The worst you can do is trash your own files. |
| 02:42.34 | Flimqy | I'm having some odd audio problems... I'm using an Audigy 2 with 6-channel analog output. Everything that comes out of the left speakers (and center speaker) is very staticy--especially on loud bits. The right speakers sound fine. The problem does not present itself with another PC, so I don't believe it's an issue with the speakers or the amp. And my software mixer settings look fine. Any ideas? |
| 02:42.48 | dalias | well being in sudoers allows someone who compromises your user account to immediately obtain root :P |
| 02:42.50 | Varange | JordiGH, I'm the admin and the user account with sudo |
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| 02:43.10 | abrotman | Varange: ignore the ssh bit .. just see if you can get the tar created correctly |
| 02:43.21 | Varange | abrotman, that neither. |
| 02:43.41 | abrotman | su -c ? |
| 02:43.44 | Varange | abrotman, fact remains that I have to run this thing as root, not? |
| 02:43.58 | Varange | abrotman, one mo |
| 02:44.12 | abrotman | i'm not sure if sudo does file rights |
| 02:44.37 | JordiGH | dalias: So how is su any better? |
| 02:44.48 | Varange | abrotman, taht worked fine |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: okay .. fine .. you help him |
| 02:45.07 | JordiGH | abrotman: wtf? dalias isn't the one asking for help. |
| 02:45.13 | Varange | abrotman, better you do that, thanks |
| 02:45.14 | abrotman | damn you! |
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| 02:45.29 | abrotman | Varange: does sudo do file rights or not ? |
| 02:45.52 | dalias | jordigh, su requires password |
| 02:45.59 | JordiGH | dalias: Uh, so does sudo! |
| 02:46.07 | Varange | abrotman, with su -c it works, as sudo it doesn't |
| 02:46.07 | dalias | most people setup sudo passwordless |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | dalias: that's their fault |
| 02:46.23 | dalias | :P |
| 02:46.33 | Varange | abrotman, one more thing I can try, brb |
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| 02:46.47 | abrotman | Varange: right .. i don't use sudo .. i'd imagine that you're giving sudo the rights to run tar .. but it doesn't have the ability to run those files |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | to read those files |
| 02:46.59 | JordiGH | dalias: Wtf? Most people? It's certainly not the default in Ubuntu and most people never mess around with defaults. It's not the default in Debian either, btw (although the default rootpasswordless setup in Debian is a little weird). |
| 02:47.04 | Varange | abrotman, ahh, I think I got it. |
| 02:47.55 | craig__ | sudo - |
| 02:48.00 | popt | after installing ntp pkg, is it default setting to start the NTP daemon ntpd every time the machine boots? |
| 02:48.02 | craig__ | sudo - su |
| 02:48.27 | Varange | abrotman, I'm logged in as the user with tar rights. I run "tar zcf etc.tgz /etc" and permission is denied. But "sudo tar zcf etc.tgz /etc" does the job. Does taht make sense? |
| 02:48.35 | JordiGH | wils0n__: Are we talking about the same thing? e.g. echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 02:48.41 | Varange | ahhh, ok. I think I get it |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | Varange: so there's no problem ? |
| 02:48.53 | Varange | popt, yes |
| 02:49.05 | Varange | abrotman, phew, I think not now :) |
| 02:49.10 | Varange | abrotman, thx |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | so sudo still works ? |
| 02:50.07 | JordiGH | Where should I submit a bug for the default rootpasswordless setup in Debian? The Debian installer? |
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| 02:50.18 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:50.25 | stew | JordiGH: what is the bug? |
| 02:50.26 | Wyzard | JordiGH: default rootpasswordless setup? |
| 02:50.28 | popt | which script to start ntp daemon, anyone know the filename |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | JordiGH: how do you install debian ? |
| 02:50.40 | Wyzard | popt: /etc/init.d/ntp |
| 02:50.45 | JordiGH | stew: it doesn't setup gksu and kdesu to use sudo instead of su. |
| 02:50.55 | JordiGH | stew: At the very least, it's a wishlist bug. :-) |
| 02:51.14 | JordiGH | Wyzard: yeah, when you tell the Debian installer to not set a root password. |
| 02:51.16 | popt | no ntp under my /etc/init.d |
| 02:51.37 | stew | JordiGH: on gksu and whatever kde package, i guess |
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| 02:51.45 | popt | no such script, after ntp pkg installed |
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| 02:51.49 | stew | JordiGH: what does the debian installer have to do with anything? |
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| 02:52.16 | JordiGH | stew: It's the Debian installer where you make the choice of having a root password or not. If you ask it not to, it adds the first user to the sudoers file. |
| 02:52.28 | Varange | abrotman, I'm backing up /home and /etc so far. Should I backup /usr ? |
| 02:52.48 | JordiGH | stew: presumably the Debian installer needs to provide further information for gksu and kdesu to know that they should use sudo too instead of su. |
| 02:53.24 | stew | JordiGH: and does gksu have a function to add such information? |
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| 02:53.45 | Varange | popt, you did a apt-get install ntp? |
| 02:53.51 | JordiGH | stew: Hm, what do you mean? It's a gconf option whether gksu uses sudo or not. |
| 02:54.17 | stew | JordiGH: can you set a gconf option without installing gconf? |
| 02:54.19 | popt | yes, aptitude install ntp as PerterS told |
| 02:54.29 | Azar | why should I feel guilty that I did not moved up to Etch? |
| 02:54.45 | popt | peterS , this nick |
| 02:55.10 | peterS | I respond to perterS too, actually. I told my irc client to highlight it a long time ago. occasionally this triggers. |
| 02:55.17 | JordiGH | stew: I doubt it. :-/ You can certainly create the necessary gconf file with the required information without installing gconf, but then the gconf install script would have to check if there's a file there already or not. I don't see how to localise this feature to one package. |
| 02:55.20 | Azar | popt: andddd ? |
| 02:55.21 | Varange | popt, and you look in /etc/init.d and there is no ntp? |
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| 02:56.08 | popt | there is no <ntp> <-- filename in /etc/init.d |
| 02:56.15 | stew | JordiGH: is this setting a debconf question when gksu is installed? |
| 02:56.27 | popt | but I can run ntpdate from CL |
| 02:56.30 | Varange | popt, strange. Did ntp install properly? |
| 02:56.44 | popt | oh, lemme check |
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| 02:57.09 | slammer | hello all |
| 02:57.11 | Varange | there shuld also be /etc/ntp.conf |
| 02:57.17 | Azar | that's new to me.... to install ntp properly... |
| 02:57.35 | Varange | Azar, do yo come here to be a wiseass or to help? |
| 02:57.35 | slammer | i need help with MBR i cant get my cp past grub |
| 02:57.48 | Varange | Azar, because the world needs more wiseasses |
| 02:57.59 | JordiGH | stew: Actually, come to think of it, this is easier than it seems: the gksu install script can check /etc/shadow to see if root has a password set or not. In the latter case, it automatically uses sudo. If there is a root password set and a nontrivial sudoers file, then there's a debconf question. |
| 02:58.05 | Azar | Varange: apt installs properly, how much more properly you want? |
| 02:58.13 | popt | oops, I see |
| 02:58.25 | Varange | popt, see what? |
| 02:58.30 | popt | ntp and ntpdate are TWO diff pkgs |
| 02:58.35 | Varange | yes they are |
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| 02:58.58 | popt | I just installed ntpdate, not ntp :o |
| 02:59.00 | slammer | can anyone help with MBR |
| 02:59.02 | stew | JordiGH: it would first have to check pam to see that that is even an appropriate place to look for a password. it seems like it would be more simple to just ask the user if they want sudo or su, which might be beneficial in other situations |
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| 02:59.35 | Varange | slammer, not me sorry |
| 02:59.43 | slammer | k thanks anyway |
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| 03:00.01 | JordiGH | stew: It would be a redundant question since the check whether or not a root password is set can be automatised, even if it's a chore to craft the script to check this. :-) |
| 03:01.06 | JordiGH | Btw, do other desktop environments have things analogous to kdesu and gksu? |
| 03:02.16 | popt | slammer, you can restore MBR with a LiveCD |
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| 03:02.34 | JordiGH | Wow, #257141 |
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| 03:03.25 | Varange | popt, so ntp works now? |
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| 03:04.16 | popt | configuring |
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| 03:08.16 | axscode | hi in the Debian Etch Net-install is PERL on the BASE? |
| 03:08.25 | popt | works |
| 03:08.41 | popt | thanks Varange and peterS |
| 03:08.46 | Varange | OK |
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| 03:09.31 | JordiGH | axscode: Probably, since many install scripts would need it. |
| 03:09.57 | axscode | probably? not the answer i like |
| 03:10.19 | ne0h | hi everybody, I've installed a module acx100 (wireless card) on my debian lenny using module-assistant.. but I heard about a firmware to make it work, someone can help me? tkx |
| 03:11.08 | JordiGH | axscode: perl-base is "required", so yes, it's in the base install. |
| 03:11.22 | axscode | nice |
| 03:11.24 | axscode | thanks |
| 03:12.12 | JordiGH | axscode: note that perl-base is just the bare essentials. If you want to code in Perl, you may need other things (although I doubt it). |
| 03:12.26 | axscode | in the debian net install base, the perl cpan is already integrated to perl right? |
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| 03:16.04 | JordiGH | axscode: Those are two separate things. The netinstall has bare essentials where your system can do almost nothing except install other Debian packages. |
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| 03:16.45 | JordiGH | axscode: The base install *does* have enough Perl, with the CPAN modules in particular. |
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| 03:17.12 | Varange | the crontab entry is 47 6 * * 7 ... what does this mean? |
| 03:17.24 | JordiGH | Varange: man crontab |
| 03:17.26 | MajorPoopyPants | Im trying to set up syslog to capture messages from my linksys router - I have it doing so now but I want the linksys messages to go into their own log |
| 03:17.44 | MajorPoopyPants | can anyone tell me what im supposed to google for here |
| 03:18.00 | JordiGH | Varange: sorry, "man 5 crontab" |
| 03:18.02 | epsilon | man 5 crontab |
| 03:18.12 | Varange | JordiGH, thanks |
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| 03:18.31 | ne0h | anyone knows how to make wireless pci (acx100) works on debian? |
| 03:18.55 | epsilon | Varange: short, sundays at 6:47 AM |
| 03:19.06 | Varange | ah ok, sundays |
| 03:19.13 | Varange | epsilon, :) thx |
| 03:19.32 | JordiGH | Btw, where is the crontab entry for apt-get update and updatedb that seems to run every night? I can't find it. |
| 03:19.51 | Varange | why would the man file display the quotation character as an a with a caret on top? |
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| 03:20.04 | JordiGH | Varange: locale problems. :-/ |
| 03:20.09 | Varange | JordiGH, ugh |
| 03:20.13 | epsilon | apt-get doesn't start by self, it must be external script |
| 03:20.13 | stew | JordiGH: /etc/cron.daily/find for updatedb |
| 03:20.27 | JordiGH | stew: how am I supposed to edit that? |
| 03:20.38 | MajorPoopyPants | PLEASE help - im trying to get my debian box set up to log syslog meessages from my wrt54g, running hyperwrt |
| 03:20.44 | stew | JordiGH: what do you mean? |
| 03:20.57 | JordiGH | Varange: you can try "LANG=C man 5 crontab". |
| 03:20.58 | Varange | JordiGH, mine is in /etc/cron.weekly I think |
| 03:21.03 | MajorPoopyPants | I have it logging but its going to the main syslog, I want to separate the linksys messages out from the debian box messages |
| 03:21.20 | JordiGH | stew: I mean, am I supposed to manually edit those files or is there a less barbaric way to schedule updatedb to another time? |
| 03:22.14 | Varange | JordiGH, you put it in the approriate daily/weekly/nomthly directory |
| 03:22.16 | stew | JordiGH: you can either reschedule when 'daily' runs in /etc/crontab, or you can move that script somewhere else entirely and make a new cron entry to call it |
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| 03:23.16 | Daveman | yay... ndiswrapper... -_- |
| 03:23.30 | Azar | hello honorable Daveman |
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| 03:23.37 | linc_away | hi everyone. i'm trying to get samba working properly but i can't get a single share up and running |
| 03:23.45 | JordiGH | Daveman: ne0h needs ndiswrapper? Poor sucker. |
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| 03:24.22 | ne0h | I have module working.. but need some firmware.. |
| 03:24.31 | stew | MajorPoopyPants: i think you'd have to start a second sysklogd with its own config file |
| 03:24.46 | simonrvn | or use one that can filter stuff |
| 03:24.47 | MajorPoopyPants | WHAT |
| 03:24.47 | ne0h | I used module-assistant to build the module.. |
| 03:24.52 | MajorPoopyPants | thats ridiculous |
| 03:24.59 | Azar | not nice |
| 03:25.00 | MajorPoopyPants | its going into the system log file already |
| 03:25.14 | MajorPoopyPants | I can't just filter out the messages not coming from localhost into their own file? |
| 03:25.24 | stew | MajorPoopyPants: i don't see any way |
| 03:25.32 | MajorPoopyPants | thats pathetic |
| 03:25.38 | MajorPoopyPants | what good is syslog then |
| 03:25.40 | Azar | yeah insults are coming |
| 03:25.41 | simonrvn | or use one that can filter stuff (syslog-ng, others) |
| 03:25.49 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: chill out |
| 03:26.06 | MajorPoopyPants | Im plenty chill, my apologies if that came out insulting towards you |
| 03:26.16 | stew | MajorPoopyPants: maybe you should create a patch that does what you want |
| 03:26.23 | Daveman | Greetings |
| 03:26.29 | MajorPoopyPants | yeah I'll get right on that :( |
| 03:26.37 | simonrvn | (or you could listen to what i said and check it out ;) |
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| 03:27.12 | Azar | mister simonrvn what a pleasure seeing you around |
| 03:27.24 | MajorPoopyPants | this is supposed to work with the standard syslog |
| 03:27.34 | JordiGH | stew: Any final opinions on my proposed change to gksu before I start trying to hack its source? |
| 03:27.36 | simonrvn | Azar: what are you up to? |
| 03:27.44 | stew | MajorPoopyPants: no, its a replacement for the standard syslog |
| 03:27.46 | simonrvn | Azar: j/k, hi :) |
| 03:27.58 | Azar | simonrvn: chewing the last hours of my leftover day off... |
| 03:27.59 | Azar | :) |
| 03:28.06 | simonrvn | heh cool |
| 03:28.17 | MajorPoopyPants | I shouldn't need a replacement, this is a pretty standard thing |
| 03:28.18 | stew | JordiGH: honestly, i could care less :) |
| 03:28.30 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: apparently not. Syslog is pretty standard. |
| 03:28.31 | JordiGH | stew: Fair enough. |
| 03:28.33 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 03:28.34 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: uh, no it's not IIRC |
| 03:28.34 | stew | MajorPoopyPants: you need a replacement, becuase this is not a standard thing |
| 03:28.44 | MajorPoopyPants | yeah, right |
| 03:28.56 | Azar | hohoehehe.. mister Guerin threw a dart! |
| 03:29.32 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: Oh wait, let us just rewrite the rulebook because of your sayso. Sorry we didn't do it earlier. |
| 03:29.41 | MajorPoopyPants | yeah sure |
| 03:29.44 | Azar | Guerin, perfect night here, full moon, 81F perfect for a fishing night here, how about there? |
| 03:29.47 | simonrvn | Azar: *there's* the dart ;p |
| 03:30.03 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: I suppose you'll next be arguing that adult diapers are standard corporate wear? |
| 03:30.06 | Azar | simonrvn: hehe and that was a better aim.. |
| 03:30.12 | MajorPoopyPants | nah |
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| 03:30.29 | simonrvn | Guerin: they aren't? coulda fooled me |
| 03:30.34 | Guerin | Azar: cold, sunny, 20k southerly, filthy water. And I'm too busy to fish anyhow. |
| 03:30.38 | Azar | imagine if Debian had actual "customers" brrrrrr |
| 03:30.50 | Guerin | simonrvn: some would argue they should be. |
| 03:30.57 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:31.35 | Guerin | just for the record - I use the word 'diapers' only out of condescension for you Merkans. In NZ we use `nappies', which I understand is an adjective in USia. |
| 03:32.00 | Azar | hey, nappies sound much better indeed |
| 03:32.03 | JordiGH | Guerin: I know "nappies". Maybe my .au ex-girlfriend rubbed it off on me, though. |
| 03:32.15 | Guerin | JordiGH: some people would pay good money for that. |
| 03:32.24 | MajorPoopyPants | Azar, that would be a horrifying concept. |
| 03:32.26 | JordiGH | Guerin: Uhm. The word. She rubbed, oh, never mind. |
| 03:32.32 | Guerin | others would pay to watch it on the internet |
| 03:32.36 | Guerin | probably people like MajorPoopyPants |
| 03:32.43 | JordiGH | Guerin: stfu :-) |
| 03:32.44 | MajorPoopyPants | yes, evil people like me |
| 03:32.52 | MajorPoopyPants | how dare I try to learn :D |
| 03:32.54 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: you're not evil; only stupid. |
| 03:33.03 | slammer | anyone know how to repair a master boot record |
| 03:33.04 | JordiGH | Educated stupid and evil. |
| 03:33.11 | JordiGH | slammer: Reinstall grub? |
| 03:33.11 | MajorPoopyPants | not stupid enough to argue with a moron like you - buhbye |
| 03:33.13 | Guerin | slammer: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 03:33.15 | Azar | ...who bang the fist in the table screaming "you scammed meh!!" I want my money back or I sue |
| 03:33.23 | Penix | "I'm a diaper achiever" is the only place where I'll use the word |
| 03:33.36 | slammer | well i cant get anything to work it just keeps restarting |
| 03:33.51 | MajorPoopyPants | Yes Azar, thats exactly what's happening :/ |
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| 03:34.08 | Sirius6032 | can you guys recommend a GUI for me to use with debian, never used anything linux before and i'm jumping in head first |
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| 03:34.29 | Guerin | Sirius6032: use the default. If you don't like it you can always change. |
| 03:34.35 | Azar | Debian is for those wanting to study it first, then use it... I would propose that the Free Software charge for schooling the people too |
| 03:34.39 | Sirius6032 | how do i start the default? |
| 03:34.45 | Guerin | Sirius6032: /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:34.46 | JordiGH | Sirius6032: The default is fine. If you *really* want something that looks like Windows, try KDE. |
| 03:34.54 | Guerin | Sirius6032: follow the install guide. |
| 03:35.21 | Azar | sigh.... |
| 03:35.25 | MajorPoopyPants | I'd pay to learn the ins and outs |
| 03:35.33 | MajorPoopyPants | if anyone had a worthwhile school |
| 03:35.37 | Guerin | ONE <- how many days of work I have left before I go on leave |
| 03:35.44 | JordiGH | MajorPoopyPants: There are Debian consultants worldwide eager to accept your money. |
| 03:36.00 | Guerin | debian.org/consultants |
| 03:36.07 | Guerin | some of them are bloody good, too |
| 03:36.10 | MajorPoopyPants | thats nice. |
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| 03:36.19 | Azar | MajorPoopyPants: since there is no such.... cos I was hoping for that too back when I started with Debian , I sighed, took the pinches here and used Google for some 2 years... |
| 03:36.45 | JordiGH | Azar: When did you join the siblinghood of the red swirl of purity? |
| 03:37.03 | Azar | JordiGH: about 4 years ago |
| 03:37.08 | slammer | i cant boot from a cd right now i dont know what to do with mbr |
| 03:37.15 | MajorPoopyPants | Azar - such is life, we get what we pay for I guess, and its hard to get dysfunctional people to do something worthwhile with their time when they can sit on IRC and be insulting. |
| 03:37.16 | JordiGH | Azar: Hm, I thought you were older than me. |
| 03:37.30 | Varange | I want to add a date to a filename... how do I do that? for example test260907.txt |
| 03:37.39 | Azar | my online life was pretty short and funny: started with webtv, for some 3 years, 2 years with Windows, and now 4 years with Debian |
| 03:37.40 | Varange | well, todays's date |
| 03:37.42 | JordiGH | MajorPoopyPants: So how did you get your nick? |
| 03:37.47 | simonrvn | JordiGH: hehe |
| 03:38.03 | Varange | from Momma, where else |
| 03:38.06 | MajorPoopyPants | Combat wound |
| 03:38.09 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 03:38.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:38.18 | JordiGH | Varange: "echo `date` > thefile". And please, no .txt extension. That's about as descriptive as the .file extension. |
| 03:38.34 | Varange | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.35 | Varange | thx |
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| 03:39.22 | Azar | MajorPoopyPants: no money can pay the knowledge and experience you are acquiring on your own, in a final, all you get with you in the grave is what you earned by learning.. |
| 03:39.50 | JordiGH | Varange: Sorry, you wanted to append that, didn't you? |
| 03:39.58 | MajorPoopyPants | True nuff - money generally tends to afford one a good school to learn from, when the people are functional enough to run one |
| 03:40.07 | JordiGH | Varange: "echo `date` >> thefile". That appends, one > overwrites. |
| 03:40.45 | Azar | "good schools" hahaha... no such, nothing is better than the knowledge you acquire on your own, not the spoon feeding.. |
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| 03:41.05 | MajorPoopyPants | lol "spoon feeding" |
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| 03:41.18 | MajorPoopyPants | generally tends to be a term used by those who can't afford education |
| 03:41.30 | JordiGH | I'm a big fan of spoonfeeding. But I will only feed nutritious facts with explanations. |
| 03:41.51 | JordiGH | (sometimes wrong explanations, but I don't claim to be the best cook consistently) |
| 03:42.24 | Azar | as long as there are books around, even BETTER, free documentation online, there is no such thing as "can't afford an education" only lazy can't afford it |
| 03:42.53 | MajorPoopyPants | yeah, and never mind if the books or manuals arent clear |
| 03:42.54 | JordiGH | Azar: My internet connection won't afford me an education? |
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| 03:43.00 | MajorPoopyPants | lol |
| 03:43.08 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.11 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 03:43.37 | Daveman | win |
| 03:43.39 | Azar | as for schools, we know lots of idiots who earned a diploma just because they got money... it did not changed the fact that they exited the scool same as they entered it |
| 03:43.55 | simonrvn | piece of paper != education |
| 03:43.59 | MajorPoopyPants | generally a statement heard from people with no education |
| 03:44.18 | simonrvn | generally a statement heard from people with a piece of paper |
| 03:44.27 | Azar | good one simonrvn |
| 03:44.30 | JordiGH | There's always the darknets for that education too. http://unix.org.ua/orelly for all the books I can't find in bookstores here. |
| 03:44.31 | MajorPoopyPants | and an education. |
| 03:44.43 | MajorPoopyPants | anyhow, thanks for the "help" lol |
| 03:44.49 | JordiGH | lol? |
| 03:45.01 | Azar | MajorPoopyPants: go play with your expensive toys.. |
| 03:45.02 | JordiGH | Lolling in the comfortable summer sun? |
| 03:45.06 | simonrvn | lol seems to be used for punctuation nowadays |
| 03:45.20 | MajorPoopyPants | having a good job and a degree tends to afford one those toys |
| 03:45.28 | Azar | glad again that Debian is not for sale to rich boys |
| 03:45.33 | MajorPoopyPants | lets me go to bed and bang my hot girlfriend too |
| 03:45.46 | JordiGH | "bang" |
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| 03:45.51 | Azar | haha |
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| 03:45.57 | simonrvn | i bet you're lying through your teeth, too |
| 03:46.12 | MajorPoopyPants | betyourself silly :D |
| 03:46.25 | simonrvn | anyone that has to say such things usually a) doesn't "have" such things b) feel insecure |
| 03:46.30 | MajorPoopyPants | sure sure |
| 03:46.37 | MajorPoopyPants | lemme guess, you learn that one from a manual too? |
| 03:46.44 | JordiGH | Bwehehehe... |
| 03:46.48 | simonrvn | no, it's called life |
| 03:46.50 | MajorPoopyPants | sure - man psych, right? |
| 03:46.50 | Azar | you know , the educated boy feels right |
| 03:46.59 | MajorPoopyPants | lol |
| 03:47.07 | JordiGH | MajorPoopyPants: What was your question anyways? |
| 03:47.22 | Azar | educated boys bang imaginary girlfriends.. |
| 03:47.29 | MajorPoopyPants | how to direct remote messages in the syslog into their own logfile |
| 03:47.32 | simonrvn | hey dude, i'm just getting warmed up here ;) |
| 03:47.49 | Azar | :) |
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| 03:48.19 | MajorPoopyPants | Im sure you're used to warming yourself up. Have fun doing that |
| 03:48.24 | JordiGH | MajorPoopyPants: did you try using syslog-ng? |
| 03:48.37 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 03:48.42 | MajorPoopyPants | Jordi - tryin to see if it was possible using standard sysklogd |
| 03:48.44 | simonrvn | took you a while |
| 03:48.53 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: no it isn't. use syslog-ng |
| 03:48.58 | JordiGH | MajorPoopyPants: There's nothing standard about that. Try using a different one. |
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| 03:49.39 | MajorPoopyPants | I actually dont mind them going into the regular system log file for now, but wow is it ugly. I'll go check out syslog-ng |
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| 03:49.44 | MajorPoopyPants | have fun masturbating |
| 03:49.49 | JordiGH | Btw, is there a simple way for wget to download one of those online books with links to the next and previous chapter, or will I have to script it myself? |
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| 03:50.09 | JordiGH | Masturbation is fun. You should try it too. It'll help you relax |
| 03:50.36 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: at least i'm not some protestant prude afraid to touch himself |
| 03:50.48 | MajorPoopyPants | lol |
| 03:50.53 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 03:51.13 | Varange | coolios.babes.net is your friend |
| 03:51.15 | MajorPoopyPants | I'll be sure to tell my family in Israel about my conversion to jesusfreakism |
| 03:51.27 | Varange | or was it the other way around? can't remember |
| 03:51.47 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: see the man page for sysklogd for some option to print the whole fqdn (if one exists) |
| 03:51.58 | slammer | i cannot get my CP to start from cd how can i fix mbr it just keeps restarting |
| 03:52.07 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: jesus freak? now you're just insulting me |
| 03:52.34 | MajorPoopyPants | cmon now, lets not even get started on all the santa claus for adults bs, this is a linux channel |
| 03:52.45 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 03:52.56 | zinx | !start a religion war |
| 03:52.56 | dpkg | Sikhs beat the living shit out of Hindus today. |
| 03:52.57 | JordiGH | MajorPoopyPants: You're the one who brought up Santa Claus first. |
| 03:53.02 | Varange | wtf = who'se the fool? |
| 03:53.19 | Varange | !Santa |
| 03:53.19 | dpkg | somebody said santa was a jolly old elf or also apt's mom |
| 03:53.24 | zinx | itf, ytf, wAtf |
| 03:53.31 | Varange | ahh, apt's mom. There you have it |
| 03:53.31 | MajorPoopyPants | lol alright |
| 03:53.49 | Varange | !jesus |
| 03:53.49 | dpkg | methinks jesus is cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs), or a common Spanish name. |
| 03:54.08 | Varange | !bot |
| 03:54.08 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 03:54.33 | Azar | MajorPoopyPants: it is obvious you are an educated person.. what was your major? .. "banging imaginary girlfriends" ? |
| 03:54.49 | zinx | can we cut the flaming |
| 03:54.56 | MajorPoopyPants | Azar, mostly yours. |
| 03:54.57 | Toren | more like floppy drives |
| 03:55.00 | Azar | ok, /me zips |
| 03:55.10 | slammer | can someone tell me of a irc channel that i can get some help at???? |
| 03:56.04 | simonrvn | slammer: here's good, when people STFU and pay attention ;). |
| 03:56.05 | JordiGH | slammer: Did you follow dpkg's advice given to you a while ago? |
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| 03:56.12 | Azar | slammer: if you please describe what is going wrong with your mbr... |
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| 03:56.45 | slammer | the cp keeps restarting i cannnot reboot from a cd this is driving me crazy |
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| 03:57.08 | JordiGH | What's a cp? copy? |
| 03:57.14 | Azar | no he ment pc |
| 03:57.15 | slammer | computer |
| 03:57.18 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 03:57.23 | slammer | sorry |
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| 03:58.10 | Wyzard | slammer: Booting from CD is controlled by the BIOS |
| 03:58.18 | Azar | slammer: maybe you gotta go in bios and change the bootable device from wherever is to CD then restart with the CD |
| 03:58.22 | JordiGH | Azar: He typed "cp" above, and I thought it was one of those teh lolz newspeak for ComPuter. |
| 03:58.31 | slammer | it wont boot from cd maybe im doing something wrong |
| 03:58.40 | Azar | JordiGH: no he is just frustrated and pressed the wrong keys |
| 03:58.52 | slammer | Azar, yea |
| 03:59.05 | JordiGH | slammer: Do you know what a BIOS is? |
| 03:59.09 | Azar | slammer: because it is set to boot from floppy/hd/cd in this sequence |
| 03:59.30 | Azar | slammer: when you reboot press Del key until you get in the BIOS menu |
| 03:59.36 | slammer | i know how to get to it and change it but i really dont understand it |
| 03:59.48 | slammer | brb i will try that |
| 03:59.56 | Azar | there look in the menu and change from floppy to CD |
| 04:00.52 | Azar | meh movies, later honorables |
| 04:01.25 | simonrvn | Azar: TC |
| 04:02.24 | JordiGH | -.- |
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| 04:03.22 | slammer | ok it is set to boot from cd and it gets to grub and restarts |
| 04:04.28 | slammer | i dont have a floppy |
| 04:05.25 | Guerin | too much viagra, eh? |
| 04:05.35 | slammer | lol |
| 04:05.40 | JordiGH | slammer: You're trying to boot from the default Debian cd and instead you boot grub? |
| 04:05.41 | Guerin | the spammers found their market |
| 04:06.02 | JordiGH | Guerin: Tsk. Floppy dick jokes are soooooo 1985. |
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| 04:07.33 | slammer | i dont have debian yet i installed pclinux,xubuntu and that is where the problems started i am going to try to go with debian because you guys are the only real help i have found so far |
| 04:07.48 | slammer | i dont know which debian i need to download |
| 04:08.10 | JordiGH | slammer: What cd are you trying to boot then? |
| 04:08.17 | slammer | win xp |
| 04:08.26 | slammer | it is actually a restore disk |
| 04:08.38 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: BTW, normally i respect people that have put in the work in studying something, but when people use it as something to feel superior to others with, then that person has missed the point of what education is all about. I think you have missed the point, and maybe you should go out in the world and learn something from it. Books only teach you intellectual knowledge, life teaches you wisdom and application of that knowledge. |
| 04:08.43 | JordiGH | slammer: And it doesn't boot even though you set BIOS to first boot from cd? |
| 04:08.57 | slammer | thats right |
| 04:09.01 | JordiGH | simonrvn: welcome to ten minutes ago. |
| 04:09.11 | simonrvn | been busy, heh |
| 04:10.03 | MajorPoopyPants | simonrvn, you appear to have neither. |
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| 04:10.13 | JordiGH | slammer: Most modern BIOS's have a key that they just let you select what to boot from. f10 f2 del up up down down left right left right b a start or something like that. Look at the boot screen to see if it mentions a key for boot options. |
| 04:10.28 | JordiGH | Can you girls take this elsewhere? |
| 04:10.50 | slammer | ok i just got it to start the win xp cd |
| 04:11.29 | JordiGH | slammer: WinXP likes to pretend there's no OS in the world except WinXP. The rescue cd may let you install Windows, but it'll trash grub. |
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| 04:11.55 | slammer | i just need to get back to where i can start all over again |
| 04:12.26 | JordiGH | slammer: Then fix Windows. Let the WinXP cd do its worst. Then grab a Debian CD and restore your computer's virtue. |
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| 04:13.04 | Varange | APACHE question: how do I get apache to display http://mydomain/this/that/theother when the client requests http://mydomain/this ? |
| 04:13.26 | JordiGH | Varange: Try #apache |
| 04:13.28 | Varange | the first person to say "man apache" gets the DumbAss Award |
| 04:13.36 | Varange | JordiGH, true, thanks |
| 04:13.39 | slammer | which debian cd do i need im putting it on a toshiba laptop M55-s139 it has an intel processor ATI graphics card and 850 mb of ram |
| 04:13.51 | Varange | join #apache |
| 04:14.52 | JordiGH | slammer: The netinstall i386 cd if you can hook up that laptop to a good wireful connection. Otherwise get the full first i386 cd. |
| 04:15.24 | slammer | ok i will get the net install if this win thing works |
| 04:16.23 | slammer | there is a monster list for the net install 386 how do i know what to choose |
| 04:16.32 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: *shrug* think what you like, your opinion of me doesn't matter to me, only mine to me. i think you'll regret your attitude one day. hope you do realise it one day, for your sake. |
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| 04:17.01 | Wyzard | slammer: What's this "monster list"? |
| 04:17.03 | JordiGH | slammer: What monster list? There's only i386 netinstall cd. |
| 04:17.18 | Wyzard | slammer: Maybe a list of mirrors, various places you can download it from? |
| 04:17.20 | MajorPoopyPants | simonrvn, nice try, but the passive aggressive nonsense doesn't impress me much, you would do yourself better to worry about your own life. |
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| 04:17.36 | slammer | when i open it up there is a bunch of iso links which one do i choose |
| 04:17.46 | JordiGH | simonrvn, MajorPoopyPants, really , ladies take it elsewhere. |
| 04:17.49 | Wyzard | slammer: what URL are you looking at? |
| 04:17.58 | MajorPoopyPants | nah |
| 04:18.02 | simonrvn | MajorPoopyPants: oh don't worry about me, i know where i'm going, at the very least i have an fair idea. bye. |
| 04:18.03 | slammer | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:18.04 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: bitte offucken |
| 04:18.11 | MajorPoopyPants | IM not worried about you. Not in the least. |
| 04:18.20 | Guerin | and you're proving it too |
| 04:18.21 | Wyzard | slammer: Ther one with "netinst" in its name is the netinstall one |
| 04:18.29 | simonrvn | /ig -replies MajorPoopyPants |
| 04:18.35 | MajorPoopyPants | lol |
| 04:18.36 | JordiGH | slammer: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 04:18.50 | ne0h | Megaf: oque tu precisa? |
| 04:18.50 | JordiGH | slammer: er, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:19.03 | The_Kernel | hi, I updated my kernel and now my wireless card isn't working! |
| 04:19.17 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: Then go back to the old kernel. |
| 04:19.28 | pi_ | i'm having major problems w/ my mouse device after upgrading to gnome 2.20 in unstable. it seems that every mouse click fires a double click event... anyone else has/had the same problem? |
| 04:19.32 | The_Kernel | JordiGH this one works better |
| 04:19.39 | The_Kernel | except for the wireless |
| 04:19.40 | Wyzard | pi_: no such problems here |
| 04:19.42 | slammer | ok i am downloading now i have about 10 minutes until the win thing is gonna be done then i will start this |
| 04:19.59 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: Better? How? What kernel is it? |
| 04:20.02 | Wyzard | pi_: though I had to switch xorg from "evdev" back to "mouse" as the driver |
| 04:20.07 | slammer | hope you guys will help me this is the distro i really wanted in the first place |
| 04:20.24 | The_Kernel | JordiGH in my formal kernel my sound didn't work, and my graphics was screwed up |
| 04:20.34 | ne0h | # sources.list - debian etch 4.0 stable |
| 04:20.34 | ne0h | ### general packages |
| 04:20.34 | ne0h | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 04:20.34 | ne0h | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 04:20.34 | ne0h | ### security updates |
| 04:20.34 | ne0h | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 04:20.43 | JordiGH | slammer: It's a good choice. Are you a n00b? (I mean this in the most endearing way possible.) Why didn't you try the other popular n00b distros? |
| 04:21.08 | slammer | i tried pclinux but i want more than it seems to offer |
| 04:21.10 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: What kernel are you using? It's not etch, I take it. |
| 04:21.10 | MajorPoopyPants | whats a n00b distro |
| 04:21.17 | MajorPoopyPants | ubuntu? |
| 04:21.18 | ne0h | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 04:21.22 | JordiGH | MajorPoopyPants: n00buntu, by reputation, yes. |
| 04:21.22 | ne0h | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 04:21.25 | The_Kernel | no it is etch, its 2.6.22.7 |
| 04:21.31 | Ryan52 | When my computer boots it occasonally hangs when it says "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem... ...", then after a minute it says "ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" and then it gives me this: "(initramfs) " What can I do to fix this? |
| 04:21.38 | The_Kernel | I upgraded from 2.6.18 |
| 04:21.43 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: That's an etch kernel? |
| 04:21.44 | ne0h | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:21.48 | JordiGH | 2.6.22? |
| 04:21.49 | ne0h | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:21.58 | MajorPoopyPants | how about Centos? |
| 04:22.02 | JordiGH | !tell ne0h about paste |
| 04:22.19 | The_Kernel | JordiGH actually it is the etch kernel, 2.6.21 |
| 04:22.22 | The_Kernel | sorry |
| 04:22.24 | The_Kernel | confusion |
| 04:22.31 | Wyzard | The_Kernel: etch's kernel is 2.6.18... where'd you get the new one from? |
| 04:22.40 | pi_ | Wyzard, hmmm... i have only mouse driver maybe i should try evdev. thanks.... |
| 04:22.48 | The_Kernel | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:22.53 | JordiGH | dist-upgrade? |
| 04:22.57 | JordiGH | in etch? |
| 04:23.00 | slammer | i would like to setup a file and print server for my house someday too this seems like the distro for everything from what i have read |
| 04:23.01 | JordiGH | and got you 2.6.22? |
| 04:23.01 | ne0h | sorry |
| 04:23.16 | linc_away | is there a utility i could use to setup a printer thru text.. - its on a server and i have no gui on it |
| 04:23.22 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: This does not compute. |
| 04:23.24 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: centos is RHEL without the proprietary bits and support |
| 04:23.30 | Wyzard | The_Kernel: 2.6.22 does not exist in etch |
| 04:23.34 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: it's a business distro, nothing to do with n00bs. |
| 04:23.37 | Wyzard | The_Kernel: Did you upgrade to unstable or something? |
| 04:23.44 | onyma | The_Kernel: what wireless card do you have? |
| 04:23.48 | JordiGH | !upgrade unstable |
| 04:23.50 | Ryan52 | When my computer boots it occasonally hangs when it says "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem... ...", then after a minute it says "ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" and then it gives me this: "(initramfs) " What can I do to fix this? |
| 04:23.56 | JordiGH | !sid upgrade |
| 04:23.57 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 04:23.59 | Guerin | linc_away: aptitude install cupsys; lynx localhost:631 |
| 04:24.00 | The_Kernel | sorry, no 2.6.21 |
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| 04:24.10 | ne0h | [1;30m[[1;37m1[1;30m][0m <The_Kernel> sorry, no 2.6.21[0m |
| 04:24.14 | linc_away | thanks Guerin |
| 04:24.33 | The_Kernel | well, that's what I'm using |
| 04:24.54 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: You used ndiswrapper for your wireless, didn't you? |
| 04:25.07 | The_Kernel | nope! |
| 04:25.23 | The_Kernel | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 04:25.28 | JordiGH | Oh, is it a ralink chipset? Say it is so! |
| 04:25.29 | The_Kernel | that's the exact name |
| 04:25.35 | The_Kernel | no... |
| 04:25.37 | The_Kernel | bcm |
| 04:25.57 | JordiGH | Oh, a guy can dream, can't he? |
| 04:26.16 | JordiGH | Ack, my internets are broken. |
| 04:26.18 | Wyzard | The_Kernel: Did you upgrade to testing (aka lenny) ? |
| 04:26.26 | The_Kernel | no |
| 04:26.27 | Wyzard | The_Kernel: The *only* kernel that exists in etch is 2.6.18 |
| 04:26.35 | onyma | 2.6.21-2 is a testing kernel |
| 04:26.37 | The_Kernel | I just ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:26.54 | onyma | maybe it's also backported? |
| 04:27.01 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: Looks like your /etc/apt/sources.list file has non-etch sources in it. |
| 04:27.08 | JordiGH | onyma: a backported *kernel*? |
| 04:27.10 | The_Kernel | let me look |
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| 04:27.29 | onyma | i don't know! i don't really mess with backports; I use testing |
| 04:27.49 | The_Kernel | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
| 04:28.01 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: There you go. You're using testing. |
| 04:28.03 | Wyzard | The_Kernel: then yes, you upgraded to testing (aka lenny) |
| 04:28.14 | The_Kernel | crap... |
| 04:28.32 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: This means you can't go back to stable unless you reinstall everything. |
| 04:28.51 | slammer | ok that didnt fix the problem im burning a netinstall cd right now hope it works |
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| 04:29.32 | The_Kernel | JordiGH That's fine, my HDD is clicking anyways |
| 04:29.40 | JordiGH | slammer: Wait, you'll have to fix Windows before you install Debian. My own recommendation for fixing Windows is to delete it entirely, but that may not be what you want to do. |
| 04:29.45 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: estimated time of death? |
| 04:29.56 | slammer | yes it is how???? |
| 04:30.13 | slammer | i hate windoze |
| 04:30.25 | squisher | slammer: who doesn't? ;-) |
| 04:30.30 | slammer | lmao |
| 04:30.31 | JordiGH | slammer: Ah, excellent. I approve, then. You'll wipe your hard drive with the Debian installer, yes? |
| 04:30.35 | The_Kernel | JordiGH not far |
| 04:30.43 | slammer | if i can get it to run |
| 04:30.45 | The_Kernel | I'm backing everything up right now |
| 04:30.58 | JordiGH | The_Kernel: Women and children first! |
| 04:31.06 | squisher | Anyone here that knows some glib programming? I need some help :-\ |
| 04:31.06 | The_Kernel | right.... |
| 04:31.18 | The_Kernel | holy crap |
| 04:31.20 | The_Kernel | !! |
| 04:31.20 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 04:31.25 | The_Kernel | its getting loader |
| 04:31.31 | JordiGH | squisher: That's kinda specialised. Try #gcc perhaps? |
| 04:31.36 | squisher | Or does anyone know an irc channel where I can ask for help (#gtk seems dead) |
| 04:31.42 | squisher | JordiGH: thanks, good idea |
| 04:31.45 | onyma | The_Kernel: why don't you just change your /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot to your old kernel? |
| 04:31.55 | JordiGH | Wait, is glib the GNU C library or something else? |
| 04:32.11 | JordiGH | onyma: Because the new kernel "works better". |
| 04:32.17 | zinx | JordiGH: glib is something else |
| 04:32.24 | zinx | JordiGH: glibc is the GNU C library |
| 04:32.41 | The_Kernel | onyma I would, but my HDD is dying!!! |
| 04:32.44 | The_Kernel | by the moment |
| 04:32.58 | JordiGH | Abandon ship! |
| 04:33.00 | zinx | JordiGH: glib's a portability/object library used by gtk (and some other random stuff, but not much) |
| 04:33.06 | squisher | JordiGH: glib is the GTK companion (not glibc (: )... will they dislike questions about that on #gcc? |
| 04:33.16 | zinx | probably. |
| 04:33.18 | JordiGH | squisher: Yes, actually. |
| 04:33.35 | JordiGH | squisher: If #gtk is dead, maybe there are mailing lists or forums you can try. |
| 04:33.41 | zinx | squisher: you may try #glib on irc.gimp.org or something |
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| 04:33.51 | zinx | hmm, nevermind, doesn't exist |
| 04:33.52 | squisher | zinx: ah, thanks |
| 04:33.55 | squisher | Hmm |
| 04:33.59 | The_Kernel | dude, it doesn't sound good |
| 04:34.00 | zinx | only has #gimp :x |
| 04:34.11 | zinx | oh, no, it has a #gtk+ |
| 04:34.11 | The_Kernel | switching HDD's now!!! |
| 04:34.28 | zinx | squisher: or you can /msg me :/ |
| 04:34.29 | hark_ | squisher: #gtk+ on gimpnet |
| 04:34.30 | squisher | zinx: I guess that's close enough |
| 04:35.28 | squisher | sorry, typo... |
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| 04:37.10 | slammer | i still cannot boot from net install cd any ideas |
| 04:37.32 | JordiGH | slammer: Do whatever you did to boot from the Windows cd. Same steps. |
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| 04:37.57 | slammer | i did it dosent work |
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| 04:39.30 | slammer | this is crazy |
| 04:39.35 | JordiGH | slammer: How did you burn the Debian cd? |
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| 04:40.00 | slammer | clicked on the downloaded file and burnt with nero |
| 04:40.26 | JordiGH | slammer: Did you burn a disk image or burn it as a file? I mean, you've burnt cds before, right? |
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| 04:40.47 | Wyzard | slammer: If you put the CD in the drive of a working computer, what file(s) do you see on the CD? |
| 04:40.48 | slammer | yea the same way i have burnt all of the linux stuff |
| 04:40.58 | slammer | give me a min |
| 04:41.19 | JordiGH | slammer: I have to leave. good luck. sorry. |
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| 04:41.27 | slammer | bummer dude |
| 04:41.36 | slammer | have a good night |
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| 04:41.45 | The_Kernel | um...well my hdd isn't dying anymore |
| 04:41.48 | The_Kernel | :P |
| 04:42.00 | The_Kernel | I forgot about the code I was compiling in the background |
| 04:42.05 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 04:42.11 | slammer | it tries to install on my other pc |
| 04:42.49 | Wyzard | slammer: You mean that the CD boots properly in another computer? |
| 04:42.56 | slammer | yep |
| 04:43.04 | slammer | i get a command window |
| 04:43.10 | Wyzard | sounds like you burnt the CD correctly, then |
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| 04:43.26 | slammer | anybody have any ideas |
| 04:43.33 | The_Kernel | ok |
| 04:43.43 | The_Kernel | well my graphics card is all screwed up |
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| 04:44.03 | hardbop200 | ;quit |
| 04:44.21 | The_Kernel | I'm stuck in vesa |
| 04:44.34 | The_Kernel | its an Onboard intel i845G |
| 04:44.55 | The_Kernel | it worked fine with the i810 before I upgraded the xserver |
| 04:45.14 | The_Kernel | so how do I degrade the xserver to the way it was |
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| 04:46.31 | Varange | and another one: if I have a variable, say $THIS, which is a string, and I want to insert it into another string in BASH, how do I do that? just like this doesn't seem to work this$THISone |
| 04:46.46 | Wyzard | Varange: this${THIS}one |
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| 04:46.55 | Varange | Wyzard, merci! |
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| 04:47.20 | Varange | the dollar outside! Had to be different in PHP :( |
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| 04:48.20 | slammer | darn it will boot the win recovery disk but not the net install disk |
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| 04:51.15 | Varange | slammer, wow, weird |
| 04:51.50 | slammer | yea this is nuts |
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| 04:52.09 | marco_polo | hi all |
| 04:52.17 | Varange | hi |
| 04:52.23 | Varange | !hi |
| 04:52.23 | dpkg | hello, varange |
| 04:52.37 | Varange | at least someone answers :) |
| 04:52.49 | marco_polo | please, can you tell me how can i have colored output from gdb ? |
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| 04:53.32 | onyma | The_Kernel: are you working on a laptop? |
| 04:53.40 | The_Kernel | onyma yes |
| 04:53.42 | Varange | marco_polo, I can't sorry |
| 04:54.07 | marco_polo | no problem varange ! thanks |
| 04:54.58 | Wyzard | marco_polo: I haven't heard of GDB supporting that |
| 04:55.14 | Wyzard | marco_polo: though you could use a GUI frontend such as DDD or GVD |
| 04:55.45 | onyma | The_Kernel: can you use http://paste.debian.net/ to paste your /etc/apt/source.list file? |
| 04:56.09 | The_Kernel | onyma its the same as the normal is, except for that one last line |
| 04:56.14 | The_Kernel | which I showed you |
| 04:56.16 | onyma | The_Kernel: and if you have an /etc/apt/source.list.d directory, also paste the contents of the files inside |
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| 04:56.28 | marco_polo | thanks <Wyzard> |
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| 04:59.06 | The_Kernel | onyma I changed the line that had "lenny" in it to "etch" |
| 04:59.13 | felipernb | hi, i was having problems with apache + php so i decided to reinstall, i did a dpkg --purge, but the conf files were still there, then i removed manually, now i reinstalled and those files haven't being created |
| 04:59.17 | felipernb | what do i need todo? |
| 04:59.36 | hark | felipernb: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 04:59.40 | beardy | Start using aptitude and do things correctly. |
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| 05:01.17 | hark | felipernb: with the apache*common package |
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| 05:01.51 | onyma | The_Kernel: to downgrade packages, I would install synaptic, if it isn't already installed, and use it to force the version to the one you want. |
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| 05:02.01 | marco_polo | <Wyzard> how can i install GVD ? what's the name of the package ?? |
| 05:02.04 | hark | The_Kernel: downgrades aren't supported as such |
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| 05:02.38 | felipernb | thanks hark |
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| 05:03.53 | nhuisman | hey what is a debian package to test my hard drives read/write speed |
| 05:03.56 | felipernb | but it's still crashed |
| 05:04.08 | beardy | nhuisman: hdparm |
| 05:04.20 | beardy | nhuisman: n the case if IDE drives. |
| 05:04.22 | nhuisman | yeah but isn't there something a little better thent hat |
| 05:04.23 | beardy | In |
| 05:04.32 | nhuisman | bonnie? |
| 05:04.52 | slammer | does anyone know if i can put net install on a usb drive and run it that way |
| 05:05.10 | beardy | !ig slammer |
| 05:05.16 | beardy | !ig |
| 05:05.16 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 05:05.34 | beardy | Answer is yes, and you should already know. |
| 05:05.37 | zinx | slammer: you can, though i'd recommend some alternate storage for /var and /tmp at the very least |
| 05:06.17 | beardy | zinx: He probably meant to boot and install from a USB stick. |
| 05:06.22 | zinx | welll, for USB hard drive that isn't an issue, but it is for a flash drive :) |
| 05:06.32 | zinx | beardy: i don't think so |
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| 05:06.59 | dalias | ? |
| 05:07.09 | beardy | zinx: Doesn't matter what you think, but what he mean. |
| 05:07.21 | zinx | beardy: exactly |
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| 05:07.56 | nhuisman | trying to see how my disk performance is over iscsi in xen |
| 05:08.05 | nhuisman | running bonnie -s 750 |
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| 05:10.10 | crxyem | hello anyone here using DRDB (aka linux-ha) |
| 05:10.22 | nhuisman | i have used it in the past |
| 05:11.05 | beardy | nhuisman: How about actually looking for the package? It's called bonnie, as a virtual package, and the package is called bonnie++. |
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| 05:11.19 | beardy | !tell nhuisman about search |
| 05:11.56 | crxyem | if I have a nfs server that has 200+gb of data on it, and I configure this system to work with drdb, dos this data get mirrored, or do I need to start with a blank partition? |
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| 05:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | eve |
| 05:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Is it possible to not have the font "Times New Roman" installed on a normal installation (i.e. without removing it deliberately)? I just saw that it is missing in the list of fonts inkscape can use... and wonder if it is a problem with the inkscape installation |
| 05:24.42 | dalias | of course it's possible not to have it |
| 05:24.56 | dalias | it's normal not to |
| 05:25.10 | dalias | that font is proprietary (owned by ms) and not part of debian |
| 05:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 05:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thougt it's one of the postscript fonts? |
| 05:25.31 | dalias | that's Times |
| 05:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as such ubiquitous... |
| 05:25.41 | dalias | Times New Roman is MS's clone of Times |
| 05:25.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek |
| 05:26.07 | hark | CutMeOwnThroat: you can install msttcorefonts to get it |
| 05:26.11 | dalias | the original Times is also proprietary, but there is a very good free replacement called Nimbus Roman No9 L |
| 05:26.21 | dalias | which is installed on almost all Linux systems |
| 05:26.43 | dalias | and by default fontconfig has aliases to use this font as a substitute when an app requests Times or Times New Roman |
| 05:26.57 | dalias | however, the alias names Times and Times New Roman will not appear in font lists |
| 05:27.22 | dalias | they're only used when requested by name, e.g. if you open a document that was created on windows with times new roman |
| 05:27.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 05:27.29 | dalias | to make matters more confusing |
| 05:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | stop! |
| 05:27.37 | dalias | abiword _pretends_ there's a times new roman |
| 05:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm already more unsure than I was before... |
| 05:27.47 | dalias | (it shows it in the interface for font selection) |
| 05:27.55 | dalias | but it just uses a similar font in place of it :) |
| 05:28.01 | dalias | hehehe |
| 05:28.01 | dalias | sorry |
| 05:28.11 | dalias | ok |
| 05:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I can get back to you... |
| 05:28.18 | dalias | well if you have specific questions, you can ask |
| 05:28.29 | dalias | and i'll try to answer without bombarding you with too much info |
| 05:28.38 | hark | ha |
| 05:28.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I edited a Powerpoint (yuck) drawing with Inkscape... and now have an svg |
| 05:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I saw the font is much different now |
| 05:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so thought, might exchange against times.... I think the original was palatino, which was converted into urw palatino in inkscape... |
| 05:30.09 | xtor_ | Are there any hosting companies out there that can give me an account within a couple of hours? Like a shared or VPS perhaps? |
| 05:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then by conversion to postscript was kinda lost |
| 05:30.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, confusion has an end... |
| 05:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | came all from editing it some weeks ago, this morning at 7 and now near midnight |
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| 05:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but definitely thanks for setting me right about times new roman... |
| 05:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had a tendency to prefer that, because I thought it's one of the postscript fonts.... |
| 05:33.33 | slap | is there mail monitor tool in debian, for how many mails sent, received, etc |
| 05:33.54 | dalias | the main postscript fonts are Helvetica, Times, and Courier |
| 05:34.00 | dalias | then there are several more less-famous ones |
| 05:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's kind of weird is, that the font in that svg document is now "Bitstream Vera" - which I definitely never set |
| 05:34.38 | dalias | the FreeSans, FreeSerif, and FreeMono fonts are very good clones of these with extensive unicode coverage |
| 05:34.49 | Snapser|2 | Is there a Network Install CD available for Debian Testing/Lenny? |
| 05:34.50 | dalias | bitstream vera is probably its default |
| 05:35.07 | dalias | it's one of the only professionally-made free fonts |
| 05:35.15 | dalias | with excellent hinting |
| 05:35.56 | squisher | Snapser|2: AFAIK there isn't and netinstall is only built for stable or unstable |
| 05:36.00 | dalias | snapser|2, it's easy to bootstrap an install with stable then switch to unstable and upgrade before installing any additional packages |
| 05:36.18 | dalias | or switch to testing, if you prefer |
| 05:36.32 | dalias | personally i've had much better luck with unstable than testing in the past |
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| 05:36.43 | ma3x | what does this mean  LC_ALL = (unset) ? |
| 05:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I just remembered I will have to do font->path anyways... only problem now is: I can't switch the font in inkscape (because all text is in different sizes and styles and those get also unified) |
| 05:37.16 | dalias | ma3x, where does it appear? |
| 05:37.29 | ma3x | dalias, I receive daily emails |
| 05:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, interesting - Palatino linotype is embedded in that svg |
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| 05:39.49 | ma3x | how do I fix the lc_all? |
| 05:40.08 | dalias | ma3x, what is sending you the emails? |
| 05:40.19 | ma3x | dalias, Cron <root@ma3x> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 05:40.33 | nhuisman | anyone know a good cpu benchmark |
| 05:40.39 | nhuisman | i mean I guess I could make the kernel |
| 05:40.53 | dalias | are you sure the lc_all thing is supposed to be an error? |
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| 05:41.09 | dalias | there's nothing wrong with LC_ALL being unset. in fact imo it's bad for LC_ALL to be set |
| 05:41.30 | slap | is there mail monitor tool in debian, for how many mails sent, received, etc?? |
| 05:41.36 | ma3x | well it's unset and I tried setting it with export but the next day/reboot it's the same |
| 05:41.58 | dalias | ma3x, i don't think anything is complaining about lc_all being unset |
| 05:42.08 | dalias | i think that's just part of some daily crap you're getting anyway |
| 05:42.15 | ma3x | dalias, I get crontab email warnings every day after midnight |
| 05:42.16 | dalias | why not forward the mail to me and i'll take a look |
| 05:43.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, you were right with the default... there was more than one font used, so it showed the default font (I guess) |
| 05:43.59 | ma3x | dalias, http://paste.debian.net/38115 |
| 05:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I still don't understand is, why inkscape is showing me a font without serifs and claims it's palatino linotype... but sadly this doesnt have a lot to do with debian anymore, so I better shut up :) |
| 05:44.40 | slap | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.43 | xjkx | i have a file.txt and i am using text mode editors, how do i print it |
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| 05:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | xjkx, "lpr file.txt" (will truncate longer lines) |
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| 05:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | to wrap lines, I use a2ps ... probably not the best tool for the job, though (but good enough for me) |
| 05:48.34 | xjkx | CutMeOwnThroat: yea but i cant find on man how to choose what printer to use |
| 05:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | lpr -P printername file.txt |
| 05:49.02 | xjkx | uhmm |
| 05:49.50 | xjkx | thanks |
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| 05:52.35 | The_Kernel | ok so using synaptic how do I downgrade a package/program? |
| 05:52.42 | Guerin | you don't |
| 05:52.49 | Guerin | downgrades aren't supported |
| 05:52.58 | Guerin | if you don't want things to break, don't upgrade them |
| 05:53.04 | The_Kernel | well |
| 05:53.11 | The_Kernel | it was an accident |
| 05:53.21 | The_Kernel | so I guess I have to completely reformat and reinstall |
| 05:53.40 | Azar | if is just "a package" try removing it and install its old version |
| 05:53.59 | Guerin | depends on the package. But if you managed to upgrade libc6, you're fux0red |
| 05:54.21 | The_Kernel | dang |
| 05:54.25 | Azar | yeah... must be only about "some insignificant package" |
| 05:54.29 | The_Kernel | I know as a fact that that's what I did |
| 05:54.30 | ma3x | can anyone help me solve this http://paste.debian.net/38115 |
| 05:54.44 | Guerin | The_Kernel: look at it as an opportunity to start afresh :) |
| 05:54.49 | The_Kernel | haha |
| 05:54.51 | The_Kernel | ok |
| 05:54.52 | The_Kernel | well |
| 05:54.57 | Guerin | !enter |
| 05:54.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 05:54.58 | The_Kernel | I jsut have to redo everything |
| 05:55.01 | drmitch | anyone know of a program that can play/convert an mp3 in reverse? |
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| 05:55.10 | dalias | how does one mistakenly upgrade libc6? O_o |
| 05:55.26 | Azar | The_Kernel: look in the bright side, this time with a fresh install you know exactly what you need |
| 05:55.41 | Guerin | drmitch: funky. You probably need to decompress it to pcm for that. But try sox. |
| 05:55.48 | The_Kernel | Azar right, I need a high speed internet connection! |
| 05:56.37 | Azar | The_Kernel: if you made a CD for yourself the first time (say base only) you can play with it at nauseam |
| 05:57.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | drmitch, alsaplayer can play things at arbitrary speed... including negative speeds and therefore "-1" |
| 05:57.39 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: awesome |
| 05:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | the logic? :) |
| 05:57.54 | The_Kernel | nauseam? |
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| 05:57.59 | sussudio | rahul: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/09/manholes_burst.html < anything to do with you? |
| 05:58.08 | Azar | The_Kernel: translation: until you puke |
| 05:58.13 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: you'd think everything would be so simple, but things usually aren't. |
| 05:58.20 | dalias | it's ad nauseam |
| 05:58.21 | The_Kernel | oh |
| 05:58.22 | dalias | not at |
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| 05:58.32 | The_Kernel | why would I want to do that? |
| 05:59.02 | Azar | dalias: yes thanks for the correction not used to type "ad" |
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| 05:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, ops, there's even a button for "play backwards" |
| 05:59.14 | Guerin | sweet |
| 05:59.23 | Azar | The_Kernel: well, I did enjoyed once , in the beginnings to reinstall.... just for fun |
| 05:59.25 | Guerin | for great subliminal-message-finding justice |
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| 05:59.49 | The_Kernel | Azar I know, I was once into Gentoo... |
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| 06:00.22 | Azar | The_Kernel: curiosity... install with x package, install without it, install with y package, install without it... |
| 06:00.22 | The_Kernel | Well, I'm getting Suse soon, I'll try that, I'll most like keep using Debian though |
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| 06:00.48 | Azar | The_Kernel: good luck I forsee you gonna be dissapointed tho |
| 06:01.00 | nhuisman | yeah i'm happy with ubuntu and debian right now |
| 06:01.07 | nhuisman | gentoo was just way too many hassles |
| 06:01.10 | nhuisman | redhat has 0 packages |
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| 06:01.31 | wols_ | Guerin: why am I fucked with libc6? why can't I just replace libc6? |
| 06:01.46 | The_Kernel | In SuSe? Most defiantly, I just need to know it for Job purposes, I'll still use Debian though |
| 06:01.52 | Azar | o_0 it was mister wols_ ! |
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| 06:03.39 | xjkx | you know what package brings the black&white model of cups? |
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| 06:03.59 | wols_ | xjkx: b&w model? |
| 06:04.23 | xjkx | yea, like grayscale...RGB color... |
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| 06:05.09 | wols_ | do you think there is only one kind of black%white printer type in existence? |
| 06:05.53 | xjkx | no...i just want to know what i have to add so cups will have this feature |
| 06:06.16 | xjkx | would* |
| 06:06.46 | The_Kernel | is there like a debian-offtopic chan? |
| 06:06.54 | wols_ | The_Kernel: yes there is |
| 06:06.56 | xjkx | My printer is very well detected, just the model isnt there |
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| 06:08.52 | Gokee2 | anyone know of a program that I can sync video playback between two computers over a network? |
| 06:09.09 | ma3x | can anyone help me solve this http://paste.debian.net/38115 |
| 06:09.24 | Azar | well, since we are at printers.... I never tried a printer with Debian... does it really work? |
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| 06:09.52 | wols_ | yes it works, no configuration is still crap |
| 06:09.59 | Azar | I see at bootup complaining for not finding a printer, which is a good sign I guess |
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| 06:10.24 | wols_ | ma3x: so do you have en_US locale available? |
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| 06:10.37 | cahoot | ma3x, I'd start with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:10.39 | Azar | wols_: I guess I should take out of the closet the old okidata with continuous paper forms.. :) |
| 06:10.47 | dalias | wols_, it should be en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:10.48 | wols_ | and 2nd, why do you want en_US? aren't you french or such? |
| 06:11.00 | dalias | or something.UTF-8 |
| 06:11.30 | dalias | don't encourage propagation of legacy encodings |
| 06:11.40 | ma3x | wols_, LANGUAGE=en_US:en_US:en |
| 06:11.48 | wols_ | dalias: perl there wants en_US and nothing else |
| 06:11.56 | ma3x | cahoot, I tried that and it didn't help |
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| 06:12.16 | wols_ | ma3x: that is not what I asked. I can see the LANGUAGE setting myself in that paste... |
| 06:12.26 | nhuisman | anyone here use xen? |
| 06:12.32 | ma3x | wols_, what are you asking? |
| 06:12.32 | wols_ | !anyone use xen |
| 06:12.32 | dpkg | No, no one uses xen, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:12.46 | nhuisman | trying to migrate some debian vms |
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| 06:12.49 | wols_ | < wols_> ma3x: so do you have en_US locale available? |
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| 06:13.24 | ma3x | wols_, just en_US? |
| 06:13.29 | dalias | why would perl want en_US? |
| 06:13.39 | dalias | this sounds bogus.. |
| 06:13.40 | wols_ | dalias: cause he set it so |
| 06:13.41 | ma3x | no, I only have en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:13.49 | Azar | dalias: ever seen perl in french? |
| 06:13.53 | wols_ | dalias: it's ma3x we talk about there. no surprises there |
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| 06:14.17 | dalias | azar, ? |
| 06:14.27 | Azar | or C for that matter, making conditionals with "si" - "allors" |
| 06:14.35 | Azar | joking, man |
| 06:14.38 | dalias | :P |
| 06:14.58 | wols_ | Azar: don't shoot for a career in comedy |
| 06:15.01 | Azar | perdonnez moi Sam Hocevar |
| 06:15.17 | wols_ | not even amateur one |
| 06:15.57 | Azar | wols_: sigh, sorry nightmares at night in my head |
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| 06:17.34 | ma3x | well |
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| 06:20.29 | wols_ | ma3x: have you done what cahoot said? |
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| 06:22.57 | ma3x | wols_, reconfigure them? yes. but what then? en_us utf8 is selected. what else? |
| 06:23.39 | wols_ | maybe select the one which is actually wanted (not UTF8) |
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| 06:25.27 | ma3x | wols iso 8859-15? |
| 06:25.43 | dalias | uhg :( |
| 06:25.47 | dalias | 8859 :( |
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| 06:27.20 | wols_ | again: why can't you use a french locale? |
| 06:28.01 | ma3x | which one is a french? |
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| 06:29.04 | Element14 | ma3x: i'd check /etc/environment to see whether there's a """ LANGUAGE = "en_US:en_US:en" """ there |
| 06:29.04 | rahul | sing sussudio |
| 06:29.06 | rahul | erm |
| 06:29.08 | rahul | !sing sussudio |
| 06:29.27 | Azar | mister rahul :) |
| 06:29.43 | rahul | yo yo |
| 06:29.52 | ma3x | Element14, there is LANG="en_US" and LANGUAGE="en_US:en_US:en" |
| 06:30.20 | Element14 | if that's what you want, change the en_US to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:30.35 | Element14 | (i'm saying this only coz you said you've tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and it didn't work) |
| 06:30.39 | rahul | just saw this awesome band play |
| 06:30.41 | rahul | wow |
| 06:30.50 | rahul | the bassist is ridiculous |
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| 06:31.27 | ma3x | wols_, I want an english locale |
| 06:31.32 | ma3x | now how do I solve this problem? |
| 06:32.01 | Azar | try en_UK ? |
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| 06:32.07 | Selenolycus | How difficult is it to configure wifi in Debian? |
| 06:32.11 | Element14 | max3: just change en_US to en_UTS.UTF-8....... |
| 06:32.19 | Element14 | max3: just change en_US to en_US.UTF-8....... |
| 06:33.14 | Azar | Selenolycus: if you don't get any answer... just to know I hear you: no idea man |
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| 06:34.39 | Selenolycus | I have a friend who is going to switch his noteboob to Linux, eventually, and he is considering Ubuntu because he is fairly new to Linux. |
| 06:34.49 | Selenolycus | And I had heard that Ubuntu has good wifi detection/etc tools |
| 06:35.08 | Azar | Selenolycus: well maybe ubuntu is easier cos they use proprietary software drivers |
| 06:35.17 | rahul | load driver, use iwconfig. |
| 06:35.22 | rahul | it's not that complicated. |
| 06:35.40 | nvz | Selenolycus: are you seasoned in debian yourself? |
| 06:35.50 | Selenolycus | nvz: No, I am an Ubuntu to Debian convert. |
| 06:36.04 | nvz | Selenolycus: ah, well do you like debian better now? |
| 06:36.07 | schweini | hello. fsck simply made my whole filesystem's content dissapear. running the r-linux recovery software (on windows), i could see that all the data is stil there in perfect order, attached to "inode12382". anyone know how i can simlpy make that inode 'reappear'? fsck can't seem to find it. |
| 06:36.12 | Selenolycus | I do, I find it snappier. |
| 06:36.32 | nvz | Selenolycus: maybe you could help your friend with initial configuration and you two can live happily ever after :P |
| 06:36.36 | dalias | rahul, it is more complicated if you want to connect to secured networks, choose between multiple available access points, automate selection of your preferred ones, etc... |
| 06:37.02 | Selenolycus | nvz: I've never configured wifi. |
| 06:37.09 | Selenolycus | So that's new territory for me. |
| 06:37.10 | Selenolycus | :-) |
| 06:37.18 | nvz | dalias: network-manager framework is aimed at solving this I believe.. though I haven't really tested it in a laptop yet to see how well it handles that sort of thing |
| 06:37.32 | Guerin | wireless is easy |
| 06:37.38 | Guerin | IF you bought a decent card |
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| 06:37.50 | dalias | i.e. non-proprietary card? |
| 06:37.53 | Guerin | if you bought a crappy one it don't matter which distro you use, you're in for a world of hiurt |
| 06:37.56 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:37.57 | dalias | my card is too old to be proprietary |
| 06:37.57 | Azar | Guerin: if is _not_ atheros, right? |
| 06:38.01 | nvz | seems like its still fairly new, at least in debian.. I am sure it will mature over time |
| 06:38.04 | Guerin | no, some atheros are good |
| 06:38.13 | dalias | it's from like 1999 :) |
| 06:38.18 | rahul | dalias: yeah, which is also what windows sucks at :) |
| 06:38.45 | Guerin | my ralinks are both choice |
| 06:38.59 | Guerin | and the ipw2100 in my stinkpad is decent too, if slow |
| 06:39.33 | nvz | seems hard to choose good hardware especially in the wifi market.. they brand things differently and you really have to do your homework to know whats inside |
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| 06:39.43 | Guerin | yes, that's very truew |
| 06:42.15 | schweini | no takers on my inode problems? |
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| 06:43.05 | schweini | it is really depressing to know that all my files are there in perfect order, but lniux just refuses to show them - but a windows based utility can see them. just seems wrong :( |
| 06:44.38 | Guerin | schweini: no point in trolling. Your question is offscreen, you might want to repost it if it's been half an hour or so |
| 06:44.39 | nvz | schweini: do you have any more details.. like made the filesystem with one distro and fsck'd with another.. i.e. incompatable fs tools.. |
| 06:44.59 | chius | dear all |
| 06:45.10 | nvz | Guerin: I just lastlog'd it.. less than 10 min back actually.. |
| 06:45.10 | chius | I have a question regarding my boot |
| 06:45.22 | Guerin | chius: please ask it |
| 06:45.25 | nvz | though just scrolling back a ways I didn't see it |
| 06:45.30 | Guerin | schweini: hell, ask again anyhow |
| 06:45.35 | nvz | heh |
| 06:45.36 | chius | I mount 3 NFS files in my compurter just when it boots |
| 06:45.50 | Guerin | chius: you can't mount a nfs file. |
| 06:45.59 | daz | !nfs |
| 06:45.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 06:46.04 | chius | but it tries to mount them when the LAN modules are loaded, but I dont have LAN network it is only W-Lan |
| 06:46.04 | nvz | schweini: ask again with more detail if possible and less random stuff that doesn't tell us much |
| 06:46.04 | Guerin | terminology exists for a reson, please use it |
| 06:46.11 | schweini | nvz: nope. everything same versions of fsck, and it all started after fsck wanted to check the FS because it had gone 30 mounts without checking. |
| 06:46.18 | Guerin | chius: then make it mount them last. |
| 06:46.27 | Guerin | chius: or make it test for a network connection |
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| 06:46.35 | nvz | schweini: so it was a normal boot from a clean fs, on a routine check? |
| 06:46.45 | chius | I know, they mount it last to when the wlan network is working.... but how can I edit the boot sequence |
| 06:46.53 | chius | in order to change the sequence |
| 06:46.59 | schweini | Guerin: didn't mean to troll - but i do find it funny that there's no relativly easy to use, free filesystem recovery tool for linux out there. |
| 06:47.00 | nvz | schweini: did it find/repair errors in the filesystem? |
| 06:47.16 | chius | when the wlan card is loaded then it is not a problem to mount such devices |
| 06:47.22 | nvz | schweini: btw what FS is it? |
| 06:47.55 | Guerin | schweini: they call it `fsck', but that is apparently the source of the problem. What fs? |
| 06:48.03 | chius | but it frustrates me that my machine tries to start such service when the wlan modules are not loaded |
| 06:48.40 | schweini | nvz: yes, then it complained about something along the lines of "multply claimed block', and i just told fsck to fix all that. now, that partition only contains 4 symlinks, and an empty(!) lost+found. "df" still reports it being relativly full, but "du" says that it's basically empty |
| 06:48.42 | schweini | ext3 |
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| 06:49.17 | nvz | schweini: yeah du counts files it can see. |
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| 06:49.49 | nvz | schweini: lost+found IIRC is a dir where fsck puts things it "fixes" that were crosslinked and such |
| 06:50.12 | schweini | and that r-linux program lsimply showed a deleted/lost inode, and everyhtings there, attached to it. so i wrote down the inode number, and tried "link 12382 /lost+found" in debugfs, but debigs complained that that file didn't exist |
| 06:50.39 | nvz | hmm |
| 06:50.44 | schweini | and i tried fsck with different superbocks. didn;t help |
| 06:50.55 | nvz | schweini: so you dual-boot this system? |
| 06:51.36 | schweini | nope. i ran the r-linux from my other computer, and connected the weird hardrive via USB (i'm actually surrised that it worked so well) |
| 06:51.55 | nvz | schweini: so you don't manipulate this fs under anything but debian? |
| 06:52.11 | schweini | hmm. a "ls" inside of debugfs dos show up a couple of files that supposedly arent there. |
| 06:52.17 | nvz | schweini: and did nothing worth mentioning before booting and getting a routine fsck? |
| 06:53.04 | schweini | nvz: well, i have to admit this is under xubuntu, and i only manipulated it under ubuntus of the same version - but #ubuntu is not too helpful, i have to say... |
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| 06:53.24 | beardy | Then what should you run instead. |
| 06:53.48 | schweini | (neither is #linuxhelp) - is there a more advanced "support" channel somewhere? |
| 06:53.53 | nvz | schweini: well this is why you should run debian.. we have a large support community and we don't play around with our stable packages |
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| 06:54.17 | nvz | schweini: that was my next question.. which version of debian you were using so I could examine the e2fstools package you are using |
| 06:54.18 | rahul | you think you're so damn special |
| 06:54.25 | rahul | standing on the shoulders of the giants |
| 06:54.33 | rahul | why do they bow down for you |
| 06:54.34 | nvz | rahul: who/what? |
| 06:54.35 | Azar | rahul: huh? |
| 06:54.38 | rahul | when you can look them in the eye |
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| 06:54.45 | Azar | oh he is singing |
| 06:54.50 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:55.08 | schweini | nvz: tell me about it. i used to run suse, but wanted to see what the hype is about. i'm really kinda disapointed - cups is in a horrible, horrible bugridden state in ubuntu... |
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| 06:55.22 | beardy | Wine to them. |
| 06:55.23 | rahul | frigging awesome band |
| 06:55.25 | beardy | Whine |
| 06:55.37 | Azar | schweini: unfortunately, ubuntu's problems are totally different than Debian's and no Debian "fix" will help on unbutu |
| 06:55.49 | schweini | nvz: e2fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 06:55.52 | schweini | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.11 | nvz | schweini: yeah I do debian almost exclusivly because of the policy.. I find that debian's strict policies not only make it a breeze to use day-to-day without problems, but easy to support as well |
| 06:56.15 | schweini | Azar: i know. it's just that this seems to be a rather low-level ext3 probem. |
| 06:56.52 | nvz | schweini: this is why unfortunately we can't be much help to you in here either.. we count on people not running things we've all used and extensivly tested |
| 06:56.55 | Azar | schweini: install Debian 4.0 Etch , the stable version and I guess you will find it stable, and easy |
| 06:57.00 | nhuisman | yeah now thaqt apple owns cups we will see what happens I geuss |
| 06:57.05 | schweini | at least, i HOPE that ubuntu doesn't use experimental filesystem drivers! |
| 06:57.10 | rahul | my god that bass is awesome |
| 06:57.17 | nhuisman | what bass? |
| 06:57.18 | rahul | twang bang boom |
| 06:57.24 | rahul | don't you hear it?!? |
| 06:57.30 | nhuisman | what's the sogn? |
| 06:57.32 | nhuisman | song |
| 06:57.37 | Guerin | doens't have the same effect when encoded in rahul codec |
| 06:57.37 | rahul | Special |
| 06:57.41 | nvz | schweini: I recommend you install debian 4.0 and I guess if you really need data off that drive use that r-linux util to back it up onto your windows box then reinstall |
| 06:57.46 | rahul | Guerin: WHEN YOU CAN LOOK THEM IN THE EYE |
| 06:57.49 | nhuisman | Special what |
| 06:57.49 | rahul | heh |
| 06:57.50 | Guerin | very lossy, that one |
| 06:57.59 | nvz | schweini: doesn't seem to be a driver that caused this problem was the fs tools |
| 06:58.07 | nhuisman | i want to listens :) |
| 06:58.08 | rahul | yeah, the flow of the song is really good |
| 06:58.19 | rahul | www.myspace.com/afterdawnnyc |
| 06:58.30 | rahul | but the recordings are kinda crappy... and myspace craps them up more |
| 06:58.34 | Guerin | i was just reflecting on how freaking awesome the venerable Fugazi are |
| 06:58.38 | rahul | heh |
| 06:58.45 | schweini | nhuisman: nope - my problems with cups in ubuntu (which i will not mention here) are ubuntu specific, and the debian devs are angry as hell that thre are thousand of angry people with pitchforks running around, just because the ubuntu people decided to apply some weird pathces. grrrr. |
| 06:58.46 | Guerin | I tells ya |
| 06:58.54 | Guerin | that's stil, the bestest gig I ever went to |
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| 06:59.11 | rahul | these guys are like krypteria, alice in chains, soundgarden, and smashing pumpkins in different ways |
| 06:59.15 | nhuisman | schweini: you could always toast their version and install from source |
| 06:59.16 | Guerin | schweini: heh |
| 06:59.47 | nvz | schweini: AFAIK "WIP |
| 06:59.52 | nvz | means work in progress |
| 07:00.13 | rahul | that song is about ubuntu |
| 07:00.18 | nvz | though that version is in lenny right now or one close to it.. though its got a ton of debian-specific patches I am sure |
| 07:00.26 | rahul | LOOK ME IN THE EYE, UBUNTU! |
| 07:00.32 | nvz | er I mean in etch |
| 07:00.34 | Guerin | but debian patches aren't usually crap |
| 07:00.49 | nvz | lenny and sid have 1.40.2 |
| 07:00.53 | rahul | debian is the giant. |
| 07:00.55 | schweini | nvz: WTF? i can kind of understand using experintal desktop packages, but work in progress filesystem utilities?? |
| 07:01.17 | schweini | well, anyhow, anyone know of an ext3 IRC channel or something like that? |
| 07:01.20 | nhuisman | schweini: so what is wrong with the cups version? |
| 07:01.28 | nvz | schweini: heh.. well its in debian stable.. but see like I said earlier for something to be in debian it hast to be highly tested and patched |
| 07:01.52 | rahul | look at all the filthy masses, hypnotized by the things you say |
| 07:01.56 | rahul | dude, that really is ubuntu |
| 07:02.12 | nvz | schweini: you really need to take our advice and run debian if you want our help. My best advice is backup any really important data to the windows box and then reformat with debian-installer and reinstall |
| 07:02.15 | nhuisman | i'm happy with ubuntu as a desktop workstation |
| 07:02.19 | nhuisman | debian for servers |
| 07:02.21 | schweini | nhuisman: it just craps out with 'too many open files', since it opens thousands of FIFOs for no good reason. i don't remeber the details, but it seems that some ubuntu patches were to blame |
| 07:02.54 | rahul | haha |
| 07:03.05 | rahul | dude, the lyrics totally apply to ubuntu |
| 07:03.06 | Azar | schweini: at least you are not a total newbie dipping toes on linux for the first time.... now you can try Debian |
| 07:03.23 | nvz | nhuisman: its your choice.. I'd never use anything but debian. Its all about the large community of developers and supporters working on it.. and the strict policy that governs all the software to insure things work in a sane manner |
| 07:03.53 | Azar | and the Etch installer is way much easier than the older versions |
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| 07:04.40 | nhuisman | i love how easy it is to bootstrap a debian install |
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| 07:04.49 | schweini | nvz: i promise that debian (or LFS, if i have the time)'s gonna be the next distro i try, but since al the data seems to be there, in perfect order, i still hope that some weird on-liner could make all the files simply re-appear, so a reinstall would be kind of overkill.. |
| 07:04.54 | Azar | might not have the latest kernel and the latest packages, but it is stable like a rock |
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| 07:05.30 | Azar | schweini: then google for ubuntu forums and see what other people did with this issue |
| 07:05.40 | schweini | is it possible to use debian-stable packages in ubuntu, BTW? |
| 07:05.47 | Azar | nope |
| 07:05.48 | nvz | schweini: not the way I see it.. a reinstall will get you the comfort of knowing you are using highly tested and well supported packages.. and put you in better shape for the future |
| 07:05.50 | rahul | haha |
| 07:06.01 | rahul | !laugh at schweini |
| 07:06.02 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! schweini just cracks me up! |
| 07:06.10 | schweini | Azar: been there, done that. but the signal-to-noise ratio tehere is.ermm. barely perceivable |
| 07:06.39 | rahul | schweini: well, then why are you using something that is broken so often and no one helps anyone with? |
| 07:06.44 | Azar | amazing I was reading the other day that the ubuntu communit has lots of forums with help |
| 07:06.46 | sep | schweini, no, they are all rebuild. you should use ubuntu packages if you run ubuntu |
| 07:07.02 | rahul | you think you're so damn special! |
| 07:07.18 | nvz | schweini: you came here for help, we want to help, we just cant.. debians created these policies many many years ago about how the debian development model goes.. and problems like this would have been weeded out long before they reached you and humble supporters like ourselves could be of much more assistance if you were using the same packages as the rest of us if some problem did arise |
| 07:07.19 | schweini | rahul / dpkg : why? suse/redhat/mandriva packaes somethimes are interchangebale. |
| 07:07.25 | rahul | schweini: hardly |
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| 07:07.38 | schweini | rahul: because i wanted to see what all this dan hype is about. stil havent figured it out. |
| 07:07.42 | rahul | dan? |
| 07:07.44 | rahul | oh |
| 07:07.49 | rahul | schweini: listen to the song I'm listening to |
| 07:08.00 | schweini | nvz: no prob, and thanks for the advice. |
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| 07:08.08 | rahul | it's so funny, listening to you complain about exactly what the song is talking about |
| 07:08.14 | nvz | heh |
| 07:08.21 | Azar | schweini: Debian is not interchanging anything with no other distro. /me is glad about that |
| 07:08.36 | nvz | debian doesn't even play nice with its other branches |
| 07:08.39 | rahul | http://www.myspace.com/afterdawnnyc play the song "Special" |
| 07:08.41 | sep | schweini, you may or may not have luck with a single package, but it's not something you can rely on . and it's not something we support, or recomend. and if you break it, you get to keep both pieces. |
| 07:08.44 | nvz | though many crazy fools like to try it anyway |
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| 07:08.55 | sep | and upgrade paths are fcked ! |
| 07:08.58 | rahul | that song says exactly all I need to tell ubuntu |
| 07:09.07 | nhuisman | are there any deiban physical to virtual packages, to convert a debian machine into a vm image? |
| 07:09.33 | nvz | nhuisman: uh? what? |
| 07:09.40 | nvz | dd? |
| 07:09.42 | schweini | nvz: but, i am kind of looking for that magic command to re-attach a lost inode by hand - not a fix for my versions of ext2tools |
| 07:10.12 | Azar | schweini: this is what your distro devs should have created to repair what their patches are damaging |
| 07:10.17 | sep | nhuisman, i tend to just add the needed scsi drivers to the initrd, dd the disk image, use qemu-img to convert it to the needed image type. then boot it in vmware/virtualbox/qemu |
| 07:10.25 | nvz | schweini: for that magic command we first have to know wth happened and thats hard to gather with you using software people stole from us and then screwed up with their random patches |
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| 07:10.55 | nvz | schweini: you're asking us to fix something we didn't break, and wouldn't have let happen in our distribution |
| 07:11.30 | nhuisman | yeah just trying to figure out how to load a dd image into xen |
| 07:11.30 | nhuisman | reading up on it now |
| 07:11.41 | Azar | nvz pssshhh not nice, their devs are nice people using ubuntu as a guinea pig in order to make healthy packages for us..tsk tsk.. |
| 07:11.44 | nvz | schweini: trust me when I say debian's policy and its community is what the real hype is all about.. not to mention its higly portable and 100% free as described in the DFSG |
| 07:12.03 | nvz | Azar: heh, yeah and I'm sure many of their devs work for debian too.. |
| 07:12.08 | Guerin | fuck's sakes, why is there not a 60-second htaccess tutorial anywhewre |
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| 07:12.20 | schweini | yes, i understand that - and believe me that i am sufficenlty pissed of at ubuntu these days. but does anyone have pointers where to find some filesystem hackers? maybe some generic debugfs advice? |
| 07:12.21 | Guerin | i just want a completely trivial password-protection |
| 07:12.21 | sep | nvz, now that's a bit harsh, there is no stealing involved, yes they could be better at returning patches, but ubuntu have done a great deal for the linux awarenes in the general population. and when PHB's know about linux life is easier for the techs |
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| 07:12.38 | nvz | Azar: I realize how code sharing works and how each distro does its part to furter the cause for everyone.. but the pooint is we cannot be stuck supporting other peoples work and still be focused on our goals |
| 07:12.51 | nvz | sep: ^ |
| 07:12.56 | rahul | sep: the PHBs force the techs to use ubuntu |
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| 07:13.37 | sep | rahul, the tech show the PHB the console and say, see it's running ubuntu, problem solved :D |
| 07:13.39 | Azar | nvz I learned with time to love and respect buntu devs as well as debian's. |
| 07:13.40 | nvz | I am here in #debian cause I have been a debian user for like 6 years now and I love debian, I use it daily on many systems for differen purposes and I hold the same goals in development of a distro as debian does |
| 07:13.58 | nvz | I can't support issues that are out of the scope of our development model |
| 07:14.04 | nvz | i.e. that would never happen in debian |
| 07:14.13 | nhuisman | Guerin it's not that hard to fine |
| 07:14.13 | rahul | heh |
| 07:14.14 | nhuisman | find |
| 07:14.19 | lekvar | anyone tracking sid noticed their keyboard led's stopped indicating caps/num lock in X recently? |
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| 07:14.36 | nhuisman | try the third result of "htaccess example" in google |
| 07:14.40 | sep | lekvar, only when my kvm fsck up and it needs a solid kick |
| 07:14.44 | nhuisman | under basic authentication |
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| 07:15.19 | lekvar | they work. they just dont toggle the indicator lights. |
| 07:15.20 | sep | Guerin, did you allow htaccess under the apache config ? if you did that the rest should be trivial |
| 07:15.34 | lekvar | ( they work in console ) |
| 07:15.35 | schweini | ah well, thanks , all, anyhow. gonna look up some debugfs tutorials. |
| 07:16.34 | nvz | I have a support protocol that I use that I can solve issues on debian systems even if I don't fully understand them.. because there are many things I can rely on.. such as knowing exactly what code these people are using, where it came from, and whatnot |
| 07:17.03 | nvz | I can't do the same thing for users of debian spinoffs whose developers don't follow debian policy |
| 07:17.12 | RvGaTe | correct me if i'm wrong... im upgrading my computer, replacing mobo, mem, gfx card (still nvidia).... do i need to reinstall debian? or is a kernel and kernel modules replacement enough to get everything up and running again? |
| 07:17.14 | Guerin | sep, nhuisman2: yeah, i've done it a million times, just can't remember it OTTOMH |
| 07:17.32 | nvz | RvGaTe: are you still using a debian kernel? |
| 07:17.43 | wols_ | RvGaTe: debian is not windows |
| 07:17.49 | nhuisman2 | you should be able to replace the kernel |
| 07:17.52 | nhuisman2 | and it will be fine |
| 07:17.58 | RvGaTe | wols_: who said anything about windows ? |
| 07:18.00 | nhuisman2 | if that, it might be fine with the current kernel |
| 07:18.15 | nvz | RvGaTe: will you be changing the CPU arch? |
| 07:18.20 | nhuisman2 | yeah i was going to say |
| 07:18.26 | RvGaTe | nvz: yeah.. most likely |
| 07:18.29 | nhuisman2 | if you are switching from amd to intel you are kind of hosed |
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| 07:18.49 | nvz | RvGaTe: if you are going from 32bit to 64bit you may want to reinstall depending |
| 07:18.51 | dalias | rvgate, reinstalling your os for new hardware == windows behavior :) |
| 07:19.07 | wols_ | by default the default kernel stays in the menu.lst. That's all it takes |
| 07:19.10 | Azar | dalias: new mobo |
| 07:19.23 | dalias | yeah, if you're using a different arch (x86-64 instead of i386) then you need a new installation |
| 07:19.24 | nvz | RvGaTe: going from say my k7 to an AMD64 I'd need to be running completly different software |
| 07:19.26 | Azar | I would reinstall |
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| 07:19.47 | nvz | RvGaTe: but going from my K7 to a P4 I'd be fine, might want to simply install a debian i686 kernel and libc |
| 07:19.49 | wols_ | nvz: huh? only if you want amd64 |
| 07:19.52 | dalias | personally i'm not interested in x86-64 for at least another 5 years or so |
| 07:19.57 | nhuisman2 | yeah |
| 07:19.58 | wols_ | and it's still the same software just compiled differently |
| 07:20.05 | RvGaTe | nvz: thats what im doing... k7 to p4... |
| 07:20.13 | sep | RvGaTe, i'd install a -486 kernel just to have something to fallback on. other then then it's just to swap basically. , but your 32bit os debian will happily run on a amd64 cpu, and you dont _need_ to resintal |
| 07:20.16 | dalias | i don't want a system where i can't move the hdd into some old spare box in an emergency |
| 07:20.20 | nvz | wols_: are you using a debian kernel? what version? |
| 07:20.23 | wols_ | RvGaTe: make sure you don't only have a k7 kernel and you're fine |
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| 07:20.36 | nvz | erm |
| 07:20.44 | nvz | I tabbed the wrong nick :P |
| 07:20.46 | Azar | as long as the HD will not have a drastical change, or get a ram storage.... I don't need to jump to faster or multiple cpu ... |
| 07:20.49 | wols_ | nvz: I don't. I have a 2.6.18-k7 kernel as a baseline tho |
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| 07:21.14 | wols_ | RvGaTe: well, not totally: /msg dpkmg z25 |
| 07:21.15 | nvz | wols_: good piece of useless information ;) |
| 07:21.32 | wols_ | nvz: useless questions get useless answers :P |
| 07:21.37 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:22.00 | nvz | wols_: useless ignorance would have worked |
| 07:23.07 | RvGaTe | wols_,wich other kernels should i install ? |
| 07:23.21 | wols_ | one suitable for your new cpu of course |
| 07:23.23 | nvz | RvGaTe: which one do you have now? |
| 07:23.39 | wols_ | probably a -686 one |
| 07:23.49 | RvGaTe | nvz, k7 one... dont remember wich version |
| 07:24.05 | nvz | RvGaTe: then you want to install a 686 kernel or 486 |
| 07:24.15 | RvGaTe | and im not on my debain right now, so i cant check |
| 07:24.15 | nvz | something compiled for intel |
| 07:24.37 | nvz | RvGaTe: and other than that you should be fine as long as you have a kernel in the bootloader that will boot with your cpu |
| 07:25.00 | nvz | RvGaTe: you may need to reconfigure/reinstall the nvidia graphics driver and/or reconfigure your xserver |
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| 07:25.14 | RvGaTe | nvz, yeah, ofcourse |
| 07:25.27 | Guerin | godfuckingdamnit, why is this fucking auth not working |
| 07:25.33 | Guerin | graah |
| 07:25.38 | sep | RvGaTe, install a 486 kernel to have as fallback, allways convinient, it should boot an almost _ANYT HING_ |
| 07:25.46 | RvGaTe | Guerin, that dude is not online right now :P |
| 07:25.56 | RvGaTe | sep, roger that |
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| 07:26.30 | nvz | Guerin: maybe its not attracted to what you are trying to get it to fuck.. or just not in the mood |
| 07:26.57 | Azar | good night honorables! |
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| 07:27.39 | RvGaTe | goodnight |
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| 07:27.52 | nvz | only a real geek lays comfortably in bed and decides for no reason to get back on IRC |
| 07:28.04 | RvGaTe | geeks like you? |
| 07:28.16 | RvGaTe | thx for the help guys btw :) |
| 07:28.21 | nhuisman2 | or someone who was drinking mountain dew the whole time they were on irc previously |
| 07:28.51 | nvz | RvGaTe: i'd say that's what we're here for.. but thats just an excuse we tell ourselves and other people so we don't have to admit we have a problem |
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| 07:29.17 | nvz | I for one love to solve problems in here and learn things, but that has nothing to do with why I am here all the time |
| 07:29.33 | RvGaTe | nvz, same here... |
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| 07:30.07 | RvGaTe | nvz, i like... never leave... unless my server is acting funny... and likes to reconnect all the time... |
| 07:30.20 | nvz | for some reason or another my brain thursts for input like johnny 5, and I crave problem-solving.. this place saves me a shrink bill.. when life gets on my nerves.. I come in here and solve simple problems that make my world seem under control |
| 07:31.02 | nvz | then I go back to reality with a sense of accomplishment, and go crazy all over again |
| 07:31.21 | RvGaTe | either way... you end up here :P |
| 07:31.34 | nvz | I can't just sit and watch tv like most people |
| 07:31.40 | nvz | doesn't stimulate my mind enough |
| 07:32.04 | RvGaTe | i monitor allot... |
| 07:32.08 | nvz | not to mention I feel like I'm being manipulated into buying things and comming back to watch more tv |
| 07:32.18 | RvGaTe | sometimes there are questions you never thought of... and yuo get smoe new ideas.. |
| 07:32.22 | nvz | tv is bad, mmmkay? |
| 07:32.44 | RvGaTe | yup |
| 07:33.08 | nvz | you have no idea.. I can be walking listening to music trying to clear my head.. and see a leaf fall from a tree a certain way and connect that to a problem I've been pondering for weeks |
| 07:33.15 | nvz | I get ideas from just about anything |
| 07:33.35 | nvz | I seek not for answers but for a universal order in how things behave |
| 07:33.42 | sep | irc is adictive, i started in ~94? and i still cant stop ! |
| 07:33.52 | dalias | haha same here |
| 07:33.58 | RvGaTe | that early ?! |
| 07:34.03 | sep | are there support groups ? |
| 07:34.05 | RvGaTe | damn you guys are old.. |
| 07:34.07 | nhuisman2 | i dunno real life is pretty good too |
| 07:34.07 | nvz | I recently compared a problem with this womans job at school as an english teacher to coding |
| 07:34.10 | sep | anonymous irc users... |
| 07:34.22 | dalias | i was on irc almost from the beginning of irc |
| 07:34.23 | nvz | that wasnt nearly as far a stretch as other things I think about at times |
| 07:34.27 | dalias | a few years difference |
| 07:34.27 | sep | RvGaTe, wer not old !!! you'r just a brat :) |
| 07:34.39 | nvz | if you knew what inspired me to do things sometimes, you'd really think I am crazy |
| 07:34.42 | RvGaTe | dalias, did it change anything in all those years? |
| 07:34.57 | dalias | yes |
| 07:35.02 | sep | RvGaTe, might have grown a bit :) |
| 07:35.04 | dalias | irc used to be huge warzone |
| 07:35.04 | nvz | ... and I am.. heh.. got more issues than Time magazine.. is my catch-phrase |
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| 07:35.08 | nhuisman2 | it sure would be eye opening to see a graph of irc time to weight ratio |
| 07:35.19 | nvz | dalias: still is on some networks |
| 07:35.30 | dalias | splits, ddos, channel takeovers, nick collisions, timestamp hacks, ... |
| 07:35.38 | nvz | dalias: I haven't been on anything but freenode and oftc in ages |
| 07:35.43 | sep | dalias, sweet sweet memories :) |
| 07:35.47 | dalias | naw the warring on efnet has been gone for the past 4 or 5 years |
| 07:35.50 | dalias | due to CHANFIX |
| 07:35.52 | nvz | no intentions of going back to stupid moronets either |
| 07:36.15 | dalias | [03:40] -!- Channel #nix created Wed Jul 11 19:34:50 2001 |
| 07:36.23 | RvGaTe | never fuond a network like freenode... the support here is great... |
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| 07:36.25 | dalias | looks like even more than 5 years |
| 07:36.30 | nhuisman2 | i remember how bad dalnet was ;P |
| 07:36.43 | nhuisman2 | back in 95ish |
| 07:36.44 | RvGaTe | try getting support on quakenet... with all those 14yr old kids... :P |
| 07:36.47 | dalias | july 2001 was the last big efnet war |
| 07:36.55 | nvz | yeah I love freenode.. if I had two cents to rub together I'd think about donating |
| 07:37.18 | dalias | does undernet still exist? |
| 07:37.22 | nhuisman2 | does freenode need irc servers? |
| 07:37.25 | nhuisman2 | or is it good in that department |
| 07:37.32 | sep | dalias, a/s/l ? |
| 07:37.39 | sep | :D |
| 07:37.42 | nvz | nhuisman2: see the website about ways to help and what the server requirements are |
| 07:37.52 | nvz | nhuisman2: they always need help in just about any department |
| 07:37.53 | dalias | sep, lol |
| 07:38.11 | nvz | nhuisman2: its just a matter if they will take your help or not.. there are guidelines for just about any contribution |
| 07:38.23 | RvGaTe | you all have a wonderfull day ! :P |
| 07:38.28 | sep | dont think i have seen that since i moved to freenod/oftc |
| 07:38.34 | sep | .. and good riddance ! |
| 07:39.10 | nvz | sep: its because of the fact that the channels on these networks actually have a specific purpose and its not dating and relating |
| 07:39.21 | nvz | makes it so much easier to participate |
| 07:39.33 | RvGaTe | shit... thought this was a dating channel... guess im wrong :( |
| 07:39.35 | sep | RvGaTe, try joining undernet with the nick hotchick17 or something ;) |
| 07:39.48 | RvGaTe | sep, lol... |
| 07:39.52 | nvz | especially when we're a buch of socially inept nerds :P |
| 07:40.06 | nhuisman2 | #teenchat ftw |
| 07:40.12 | sep | hahaha |
| 07:40.13 | nvz | I mean I've got decent social skills.. but its still hard to hide the fact I am a nerd |
| 07:40.38 | dalias | lol |
| 07:40.41 | nvz | show me even a hint of a diagnosable problem and you will know |
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| 07:41.19 | nvz | I won't bother waiting for you to ask for my help.. I can't stand looking at a problem without trying to fix it |
| 07:41.35 | dalias | <@epictetus> we went out in a field because the weather was perfect.. and we were lying on a blanket talking and |
| 07:41.38 | dalias | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.41 | sep | curse of a nerd |
| 07:41.41 | dalias | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.44 | dalias | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.47 | dalias | <@iretd> damn it irssi is fucking up again. The status bar says #nix but apparently this is #teensex. |
| 07:41.55 | Guerin | dalias: fuck off and die in a train wreck |
| 07:42.04 | Guerin | preferably one with hazardous chemicals |
| 07:42.04 | dalias | errm sorry the paste did bad like that |
| 07:42.09 | nhuisman2 | just takes practice |
| 07:43.27 | nvz | I never had it be a problem other than with this one girl who always wanted to tell me her problems and only wanted me to tell her it will all be ok instead of trying to help.. heh |
| 07:43.36 | nvz | I couldn't do it |
| 07:43.51 | nvz | and I knew thats all she wanted.. she'd get pissed off when I'd try to help |
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| 07:44.26 | sep | hehe |
| 07:44.38 | nvz | wanted me to be her intellectual whore.. I kept telling her it wasn't gonna work |
| 07:45.19 | nvz | but you're a good listener.. yeah bitch, I know.. but you gotta stimulate my mind or we;re not gonna get along |
| 07:46.00 | nvz | ...of course there is something else you could stimulate.. |
| 07:46.10 | dalias | man i need to go to sleep.. |
| 07:46.23 | nvz | yeah we're totally not friends like she kept trying to pretend :P |
| 07:46.43 | nvz | I got two heads and you're not letting me use either one.. heh |
| 07:46.51 | dalias | lol |
| 07:47.44 | nvz | she loved to tell me I think too damn much.. like I dont already know this |
| 07:48.04 | nvz | I think so damn much I forget to eat or sleep half the time |
| 07:48.31 | RvGaTe | nvz, seriously... what does this have to do with debian? :P |
| 07:48.43 | nvz | nothing.. give me something to go on |
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| 07:48.47 | nvz | see what i mean |
| 07:48.48 | RvGaTe | ok.. |
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| 07:48.55 | RvGaTe | yeah, ur screwed |
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| 07:49.05 | nvz | can't stop thinking.. so best you cn do is sway me in the right direction as to what to think about |
| 07:49.12 | nvz | hej |
| 07:49.13 | RvGaTe | ok.. |
| 07:49.13 | nvz | heh |
| 07:49.20 | RvGaTe | lets see.. |
| 07:49.47 | nvz | If only I had someone to prioritize and supply me with the right stimulation I'd be a lean mean thinking machine |
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| 07:50.15 | RvGaTe | bye |
| 07:50.16 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 07:50.28 | nvz | I'm too busy thinking about shit to bother figuring out what it means until two compatible thoughs cross my mind and I link em together |
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| 07:51.14 | nvz | I'm simultaniouslt processing other thought patterns that are far less intersting than this rant |
| 07:51.41 | nvz | I guess I shall foregrond the process considering going to sleep |
| 07:51.44 | presto101 | can someone help me please im new to debian and somewhat new to linux and i just install and x is failing and im getting the terminal |
| 07:52.11 | nvz | presto101: pastebin the log so we can see what the problem is |
| 07:52.40 | nvz | presto101: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:52.52 | presto101 | hmmm thats going to be difficult |
| 07:52.53 | nvz | presto101: rafb.net/paste |
| 07:53.03 | nvz | presto101: na, not with the right tools |
| 07:53.14 | nvz | presto101: or just give us the cliff notes |
| 07:53.15 | presto101 | im dual booting between mint and debian |
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| 07:53.18 | nvz | presto101: the EE at the end |
| 07:53.45 | presto101 | let me check and see if i can acsess that file |
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| 07:54.01 | nvz | probly something like "no screens found" or "failed to initalize core devices" |
| 07:54.37 | nhuisman2 | for shits sake, why can't I figure out how to boot a xen domu off a cd |
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| 07:54.41 | nvz | then we'll need the specifics such as "failed to initalize core pointer" or "screens found but none have a usable configuration" |
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| 07:54.56 | presto101 | nvz ive got 2 logs one is listed as old |
| 07:55.18 | nvz | presto101: the one I specified is the one we're interested in |
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| 07:55.38 | presto101 | oops ok sorry |
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| 07:56.30 | nvz | RvGaTe: don't feel special |
| 07:56.43 | nvz | I get those like ever nano second |
| 07:56.46 | RvGaTe | how about an app that does automaticly pastebin.... as in: #: pastebin thisfile.log |
| 07:57.07 | presto101 | http://rafb.net/p/Wod9kg25.html |
| 07:57.08 | nvz | RvGaTe: yeah that could be scripted easily in say perl |
| 07:57.15 | presto101 | there we go nvz |
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| 07:58.01 | nvz | presto101: you've selected the nv driver and it didn't find a compatible nvidia card |
| 07:58.10 | nvz | presto101: lspci, and paste in here the VGA line |
| 07:58.34 | RvGaTe | nvz, you're a fast thinker :) |
| 07:58.43 | RvGaTe | nvz, you're perfect to work as support |
| 07:58.44 | nvz | RvGaTe: yeah its a gift and a curse |
| 07:59.02 | nvz | RvGaTe: not all thoughts are good ones |
| 07:59.14 | presto101 | i have a 8600gt and its not listed hmmm |
| 07:59.34 | nvz | please give the output from lspci |
| 07:59.38 | presto101 | im acsess this stuff from mint how would i get that |
| 07:59.54 | presto101 | will it work from mint |
| 08:00.08 | nvz | I have no idea what a mint is aside from a place they make money or something you put in your mouth after dinner |
| 08:00.18 | presto101 | mint linux |
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| 08:00.37 | nvz | or a like-new condition :P |
| 08:00.57 | presto101 | im not adept enough to run debian in text mode |
| 08:01.02 | nvz | heh |
| 08:01.14 | nvz | well get adept.. |
| 08:01.25 | nvz | apt-get install irssi-text screen links2 |
| 08:01.30 | nvz | screen irssi |
| 08:01.36 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.41 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:02.23 | RvGaTe | presto101, if you're uncomfi with nvz solution: reboot into ur debian, in text mode type: "lspci > ~/lspci.txt" |
| 08:02.29 | nvz | hard to solve your debian issue when not in debian |
| 08:02.57 | nvz | with screen and irssi running on debian and link2 installed for a web broser you are a lean mean text-mode problem solving machine |
| 08:03.07 | RvGaTe | :P |
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| 08:04.14 | nvz | RvGaTe: I shift gears pretty well eh? |
| 08:04.29 | nvz | from ranting to supporting in a blink of an eye.. heh |
| 08:04.41 | RvGaTe | nice gears, yeah |
| 08:04.57 | presto101 | is there a way to install the driver in text mode |
| 08:05.05 | nvz | I should go to sleep though cause there is nothing else for me to do and I could end up doing this all day |
| 08:05.16 | nvz | presto101: we need to finish getting all the details first |
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| 08:05.33 | RvGaTe | presto101, we gotta find the problem first, before we can fix it... |
| 08:05.33 | nvz | presto101: you need to be in debian so you can do the things we tell you |
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| 08:05.49 | presto101 | ok |
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| 08:06.08 | RvGaTe | presto101, you have a second computer, or a laptop? so we can stay in touch.. |
| 08:06.16 | nvz | presto101: screen will allow you to run multiple programs in text mode, irssi is an irc client, and links2 is a text/graphical web browser |
| 08:06.28 | nvz | presto101: install those packages, run screen with irssi and come back |
| 08:06.33 | presto101 | let me get nvz's info down |
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| 08:06.55 | presto101 | will that be easier than a second computer |
| 08:06.57 | nvz | presto101: that way you'll feel safe in debian when shit hits the fan :P |
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| 08:07.09 | presto101 | i need to yes |
| 08:07.19 | nvz | presto101: screen also makes it easy to copy/paste between programs in text mode even without a mouse |
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| 08:07.44 | presto101 | thats one of the reasons im trying debian and trying to move away from mint linux |
| 08:08.10 | RvGaTe | nvz, shouldnt we be telling like... dont login as root on irssi, controlls of irssi... su.... etc etc etc... ? coz he'll miss that.. |
| 08:08.23 | dalias | :) |
| 08:08.29 | presto101 | brb |
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| 08:08.37 | RvGaTe | shit.. there he goes |
| 08:08.44 | nvz | RvGaTe: well once he gets here in debian you can explain how to use the tools |
| 08:09.02 | RvGaTe | yeah, but he won be able to install it ... |
| 08:09.12 | nvz | screen is a lot to learn all at once |
| 08:09.20 | nvz | I'm trying not to confuse |
| 08:09.23 | RvGaTe | either way, he needs to install as root... and use it as normal user.. |
| 08:09.37 | RvGaTe | but he doesn't know how to switch between those.. |
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| 08:09.51 | nvz | this may be true |
| 08:10.10 | nvz | though dpkg will tell him that |
| 08:10.11 | RvGaTe | so im guessing he'll be either joining with root... or not eb able to join at all, coz he cant install it.. |
| 08:10.26 | nvz | unable to lock... (are you root?) |
| 08:10.47 | RvGaTe | yeah... and he'll go like..: "ehhh?" |
| 08:11.17 | nvz | I figure if you knew enough to burn a debian cd and install it you're not a complete moron |
| 08:11.34 | RvGaTe | nvz, remember what he said.... he never used txt mode... ? |
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| 08:12.35 | nvz | RvGaTe: remember him saying he used another linux dist and had enough sense to have realized he wants to learn debian? |
| 08:12.56 | nvz | maybe I'm giving too much credit |
| 08:13.09 | nvz | but someone who can pastebin a log from another linux distro isnt a moron |
| 08:13.25 | nvz | I didnt have to explain that to him |
| 08:13.41 | k1ckn1ck2 | hi, i am currently using an ipw2200 wifi card, currently appears to be using driver 1.1.2 Kmq, when checking on the debina website it appears to be 1.2.2. Is there any particular reason it wouldnt upgrade |
| 08:13.43 | nvz | I don't feed baby food to adults |
| 08:14.25 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: you are probably looking at the testing/unstable version and using stable |
| 08:14.37 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: if its not broke, don't fix it |
| 08:14.50 | RvGaTe | nvz, im guessing ur right... we'll see what happens... its taking him some time now... :P |
| 08:15.20 | nvz | RvGaTe: has to shutdown one, boot another, install utils, connect to irc.. |
| 08:15.25 | nvz | these things take time |
| 08:15.42 | nvz | last I checked #debian isn't going anywhere |
| 08:16.10 | nvz | I'd have to visit a shrink if it did |
| 08:16.16 | k1ckn1ck2 | its not broke, ur correct but there are a lot of commands that i am unable to use, surely they realeased the newer versions for a reason |
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| 08:16.32 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: possibly |
| 08:16.37 | azeem | k1ckn1ck2: what commands? |
| 08:16.50 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: though debian stable doesnt change versions because it could break the whole system |
| 08:17.16 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: you could look for a backport, make one yourself or upgrade to testing/unstable if you really needed or wanted to |
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| 08:17.40 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: bottom line is if its working and you dont NEED to, just forget about it before you come down with a disorder like |
| 08:17.41 | k1ckn1ck2 | to upgrade to ustable/testing is it is simple as apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:17.46 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 08:17.46 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 08:18.06 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: almost |
| 08:18.24 | k1ckn1ck2 | its only my laptop, so dont mind breaking it :) |
| 08:18.24 | janelle | nvz how do i get root privliges |
| 08:18.37 | nvz | k1ckn1ck2: you first got to change to testing or unstable sources, then update your package cache for the new sources with apt-get install |
| 08:18.51 | nvz | jboulle: su will prompt you for the root password |
| 08:18.57 | nvz | jboulle: then you will be root |
| 08:19.04 | nvz | jboulle: type exit when done |
| 08:19.32 | jboulle | s/jboulle/janelle |
| 08:19.55 | hark | k1ckn1ck2: you're probably using the drivers in the kernel itself.. if you want a newer one, use m-a or install the prebuilt modules |
| 08:20.12 | nvz | jboulle: I'm typin in near darkness with a cigar in my hand that is making my fingers hit the wrong keys :P |
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| 08:20.49 | nvz | presto101: did you get that? |
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| 08:21.08 | nvz | jboulle: actually it wasnt my typing it was a nick change as I was tying |
| 08:21.16 | nvz | heh |
| 08:21.38 | k1ckn1ck2 | i have tried to get the prebuilt module and been unsuccessful using apt-get install ipw2200-modules.2.6.18-5-686 doesnt seem to work |
| 08:22.16 | nvz | presto101: su, then type the root passwd, type exit after you install and then run "screen irssi" and then /server irc.freenode.net to connect and /j #debian to join the channel |
| 08:22.28 | azeem | k1ckn1ck2: you still haven't explained why you need a newer driver |
| 08:22.32 | jboulle | indeed |
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| 08:23.30 | RvGaTe | nvz, i could say something like.... "i told you so.." :P |
| 08:24.11 | RvGaTe | they're hiding |
| 08:24.14 | popt | "remotes"? |
| 08:24.37 | nvz | presto101: you can thank RvGaTe for assuming you'd not know about the root thing.. I was giving you credit for |
| 08:24.39 | D4N` | Hi |
| 08:24.43 | binfalse | yo |
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| 08:25.01 | xand | !root |
| 08:25.01 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 08:25.27 | azeem | root_: don't irc as root |
| 08:25.54 | RvGaTe | root_, we know u'r presto101 |
| 08:26.00 | nvz | heh |
| 08:26.10 | nvz | no secrets around here |
| 08:26.13 | yang | I installed some third party .debs and now I am having difficulties removing them - http://paste.debian.net/38117 |
| 08:26.20 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:26.24 | k1ckn1ck2 | honestly just intrigued me how it is running on version 1.1.2 but the ipw2200.sourceforge.net is at 1.2.2, i am going away for a few months and dont wanna get there it find i cant use the wireless |
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| 08:26.39 | nvz | RvGaTe: what kind of underwear do I have on? :P |
| 08:26.42 | D4N` | ?? |
| 08:26.42 | binfalse | ok |
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| 08:26.57 | RvGaTe | nvz, a thong with a tiger print? |
| 08:27.01 | nvz | clos4e |
| 08:27.01 | azeem | yang: looks like you installed braindead third party .debs |
| 08:27.03 | RvGaTe | raawrrr |
| 08:27.18 | nvz | RvGaTe: actually breifs with floral print |
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| 08:27.26 | _MDMA_ | hi all |
| 08:27.34 | nvz | womans underwear none the less.. close enough.. heh |
| 08:27.37 | azeem | k1ckn1ck2: why would wireless stop working if it is working now? |
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| 08:27.47 | _MDMA_ | i have a problem with compiling kernel image |
| 08:27.50 | azeem | yang: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/psa-imp.prerm or so |
| 08:28.04 | RvGaTe | presto101, ur here ? |
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| 08:28.19 | _MDMA_ | make-kpkg --initrd --revision examplerev01 kernel_image |
| 08:28.30 | _MDMA_ | exit with some strange error |
| 08:28.36 | yang | azeem: what should i edit ? |
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| 08:28.43 | azeem | yang: I don't knkow |
| 08:28.44 | yang | azeem: what shuld i put there |
| 08:28.56 | azeem | yang: or just ask the people who provide those .debs |
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| 08:29.14 | azeem | yang: usually, you would edit in such a way that it does not fail during removal, but every file is different... |
| 08:29.24 | fr0nk | hey does someone have experience in openipmi reporting? I want to gather all information available about the server and make him host its own web page with all reporting information |
| 08:29.27 | nvz | RvGaTe: not responding to a version request might be about to timeout |
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| 08:29.39 | k1ckn1ck2 | well i had a lot of problems connecting to wpa-psk2 connections. I originally had an ipw2100 card but took ti out because it was too slow |
| 08:30.19 | k1ckn1ck2 | altho i can connect to wpa connections at the moment its touch and go whenever i try to connect to one |
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| 08:30.41 | nvz | oh well I guess I will go to sleep for awhile and with any luck I'll have a signed check waiting for me tomorrow cause being broke sucks.. especially since I'd have to save up to be broke |
| 08:30.53 | nvz | wth is ex-chat |
| 08:31.09 | jelly-home | former chat |
| 08:31.18 | azeem | root_: you're not allowed to talk here as root, connect from your normal user account |
| 08:31.21 | yang | azeem: this is the file http://paste.debian.net/38118 |
| 08:31.23 | RvGaTe | nvz, you mean x-chat? |
| 08:31.26 | jelly-home | nvz: chat no more |
| 08:31.44 | nvz | RvGaTe: presto101 .... ["Ex-Chat"] |
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| 08:32.33 | azeem | yang: I suggest you complain to the plesk people |
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| 08:32.49 | azeem | yang: or just add an "exit 0" as second line of that script |
| 08:32.59 | azeem | yang: but you might have to clean up manually behind it then |
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| 08:33.52 | nvz | azeem: heh, I do that all the time when packages don't install/uninstall right |
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| 08:34.15 | nvz | not gonna let some stupid exit code stop me from getting on with it |
| 08:34.22 | azeem | there's usually a reason they want to do whatever breaks |
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| 08:34.39 | nvz | azeem: yeah sometimes you just don't care though :P |
| 08:34.55 | preston | hello got rid of the damn root thing |
| 08:35.05 | nvz | cool |
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| 08:35.21 | preston | this is in case you dont know presto101 |
| 08:35.42 | freddy__ | I am using etch and is installing it on an IBM x3550. The server has 2 hot swap discs in an RAID 1 configuration (configured to RAID b4 I installed debian) Now for this to work, do I have to make debian ALSO support RAID (software raid) ? |
| 08:36.03 | nvz | preston: yeah, your hostname gave it away |
| 08:36.14 | jelly-home | freddy__: hopefully not |
| 08:36.27 | preston | ah |
| 08:36.33 | nvz | preston: you from Texas? |
| 08:36.34 | jelly-home | freddy__: debian ought to see a single disk available to the OS |
| 08:36.38 | freddy__ | jelly-home: ok - that was what I thought |
| 08:36.38 | preston | nvz what info did you need |
| 08:36.39 | valdyn | freddy__: debian software raid is incompatible and independent to bios fakeraid |
| 08:36.44 | preston | i am |
| 08:36.51 | freddy__ | jelly-home: yes it does |
| 08:37.03 | preston | are you |
| 08:37.05 | nvz | preston: lspci, the vga line only, you can paste it in here.. are you running screen and irssi? |
| 08:37.15 | nvz | preston: lived there a couple times.. its a nice place |
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| 08:37.43 | freddy__ | valdyn: so bios RAID will not work with debian ? |
| 08:37.51 | preston | nvz how do i get from here to the terminal line |
| 08:37.54 | nvz | preston: I know a guy that works at the BP up here in PA and if you ask him "Are you from the south?" he'll tell you "no sir, I'm from Texas" |
| 08:38.06 | valdyn | freddy__: right |
| 08:38.07 | nvz | preston: ok we gotta give you a crash course in how to use screen |
| 08:38.17 | nvz | preston: you are running irssi inside screen right? |
| 08:38.25 | preston | ive never had to |
| 08:38.26 | preston | yes |
| 08:38.30 | valdyn | freddy__: you _could_ set up software raid to match the layout of that bios raid. But there's no point unless you need to dual boot windows |
| 08:38.58 | ameyer | I'd think, in theory, that bios RAID would appear to be one disk to $os |
| 08:39.00 | freddy__ | valdyn: I dont need windows - |
| 08:39.03 | nvz | preston: ok don't do anything yet just understand.. C-a means Ctrl+a and it is the command to get screen's attention you will do this when issuing commands to screen |
| 08:39.10 | jelly-home | there's also a possibility that the machine has a decent hw raid controller |
| 08:39.14 | ameyer | but I'm not an expert on that |
| 08:39.19 | _prsr_ | freddy__, raid cards have bios too and work just dandy with debian so nomenclature might just be confusing |
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| 08:39.58 | nvz | preston: C-a c, pressing Ctrl+a then c, creates a new terminal, C-a 0, will come back to window 0 where you are now in irssi, C-a a, will toggle between the two last used windows, and C-a ", gives you a list of open windows |
| 08:40.04 | valdyn | freddy__: on a true raid hardware, linux will see the whole raid as 1 disk, on a fakeraid controller as 2 seperate disks |
| 08:40.22 | _prsr_ | there's some motherboard chipsets which purport to do raid but they need drivers to work |
| 08:40.22 | freddy__ | _prsr_: well I am confused ;-) ... So I need to delete the BIOS to get my RAID working ? |
| 08:40.43 | nvz | preston: so C-a c, type lspci, then come back to window 0, you can do so with any of C-a a, C-a 0, C-a ", or just typing exit and closing the window |
| 08:40.53 | _prsr_ | do you have a raid card (which type?) in the system freddy_ |
| 08:40.55 | nvz | preston: next you need to learn the copy/paste function |
| 08:41.01 | preston | ok |
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| 08:41.06 | nvz | preston: if you got the window functions down |
| 08:41.23 | yang | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/38119 like this and dpkg --purge psa-imp again ? |
| 08:41.32 | preston | got it |
| 08:42.02 | nvz | preston: copy is C-a [ and paste is C-a ], copy mode will let you move the cursor with the arrows anywhere on the screen, press enter to begin highlighting and press enter again to copy what you have highlighted |
| 08:42.14 | _prsr_ | the only raid controllers debian has issues with are the old adaptec cards afaik |
| 08:42.27 | freddy__ | _prsr_: not sure - when installing debian it sees one harddrive, and when booting it says raid is working before grub is starting the linux boot |
| 08:42.42 | nvz | preston: so C-a c, run lspci, C-a [, copy the VGA line, then C-a 0, then C-a ] will paste it here |
| 08:42.45 | preston | here we go |
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| 08:43.03 | azeem | yang: you deleted the first line |
| 08:43.05 | preston | what was the command you wanted me to copy and paste |
| 08:43.09 | nvz | preston: screen is a wonderful tool, you are officially 1337 now.. |
| 08:43.12 | RvGaTe | nvz, never knew about that.. |
| 08:43.13 | _prsr_ | k, that sounds like a real raid controller, it should mention a manufacturer during boot though |
| 08:43.28 | preston | thanks nvz for the help |
| 08:43.39 | preston | and you to rvgate |
| 08:43.41 | nvz | preston: lspci is the command, we just need to see the VGA line it outputs |
| 08:43.43 | yang | azeem: no i havent i added "exit 0" into second line |
| 08:43.47 | nvz | preston: actually |
| 08:43.54 | nvz | preston: you can do it from irssi |
| 08:43.57 | freddy__ | _prsr_: it does ... does not remember 2 sek |
| 08:43.58 | RvGaTe | preston, all credit goes to nvz... im innocent ! |
| 08:44.14 | _prsr_ | you can check after booting with lspci, the card should be mentioned there |
| 08:44.16 | azeem | yang: the first line was "#!/bin/bash" |
| 08:44.16 | nvz | preston: type /exec -o lspci | grep VGA in this window will paste it here |
| 08:44.31 | nvz | preston: learning screen is just a bonus :P |
| 08:44.32 | yang | azeem: ah... do i need to add it like #exit 0 |
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| 08:44.39 | azeem | yang: eh, no |
| 08:44.53 | spx2 | what do I install so that in start menu on KDE i get Save-Session ? |
| 08:44.53 | azeem | yang: if you just want me to tell you how to fix it, I suggest you listen to what I say |
| 08:45.08 | nvz | preston: screen lets you multi-task in text-mode and have copy/paste abilities which is key in situations like this |
| 08:45.12 | azeem | 10:30 < azeem> yang: or just add an "exit 0" as second line of that script |
| 08:45.17 | yang | azeem: ok i thought those were comments # |
| 08:45.18 | azeem | yang: I never said to remove the first line |
| 08:45.20 | preston | Usage: lspci [<switches>] |
| 08:45.20 | preston | -vBe verbose |
| 08:45.20 | preston | -nShow numeric ID's |
| 08:45.20 | preston | -nnShow both textual and numeric ID's (names & numbers) |
| 08:45.20 | preston | -bBus-centric view (PCI addresses and IRQ's instead of those seen by the CPU) |
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| 08:45.26 | spx2 | what do I install so that in start menu on KDE i get Save-Session ? |
| 08:45.28 | RvGaTe | lol |
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| 08:45.33 | nvz | heh |
| 08:45.40 | jelly-home | !hashbang |
| 08:45.45 | jelly-home | hm. |
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| 08:45.53 | RvGaTe | at least he managed to copy stuff and paste in here... thats a good thing :) |
| 08:45.57 | preston | wow |
| 08:46.03 | nvz | preston: heh, auto-kick for flooding |
| 08:46.05 | yang | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/38120 |
| 08:46.07 | xand | RvGaTe: no it's not |
| 08:46.10 | nvz | preston: that was only suppose to paste one line |
| 08:46.17 | nvz | preston: something went wrong :P |
| 08:46.22 | azeem | yang: that probably works |
| 08:46.30 | preston | perhaps a mistype on my part? |
| 08:46.30 | RvGaTe | xand, its his first time using screen and irssi.... he's learning |
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| 08:46.55 | nvz | preston: yeah you typed something after lspci that it did not like |
| 08:46.57 | azeem | preston: make sure you typed the "|" character, not an l or so |
| 08:47.16 | yang | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/38121 |
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| 08:47.37 | nvz | preston: the | or pipe char was suppose to take the output of the lspci command and put it into grep, which would have gotten just the line we wanted |
| 08:47.40 | azeem | yang: so do the same in the postrm script |
| 08:47.54 | nvz | preston: you likely forgot the pipe or put something else in there |
| 08:48.09 | spx2 | what do I install so that in start menu on KDE i get Save-Session ? |
| 08:48.26 | preston | hmmm i actually thought it wasa : |
| 08:48.28 | yang | azeem: the same what? |
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| 08:48.38 | preston | where is the pip[e |
| 08:48.38 | azeem | 10:43 < azeem> 10:30 < azeem> yang: or just add an "exit 0" as second line of that script |
| 08:48.59 | nvz | preston: na, the pipe is a wonder of shell magic, it connects the standard output of one command to the standard input of another |
| 08:49.22 | azeem | on the keyboard |
| 08:50.08 | nvz | grep is my favorite GNU tool.. I wish I had grep IRL.. so I can be talking to someone who can't get to the point and just grep for what I want to hear |
| 08:50.21 | nvz | or be reading a book and just grep for what I want |
| 08:50.39 | preston | i dont see the pipe key |
| 08:50.43 | nvz | ugh.. sucks life has no grep |
| 08:50.48 | jelly-home | shift - \ on the US keyboard layout |
| 08:50.59 | RvGaTe | preston, |, should be shift+\ |
| 08:51.04 | nvz | preston: its between the backspace and enter key, or sometimes its beside the backspace key by the + |
| 08:51.04 | yang | azeem: thank you! |
| 08:51.10 | freddy__ | _prsr_: I broke it :-( it is a serveRAID controller - Having the debian up and running, I wanted to test if the RAID was working so I took one of the discs, to see if the system was still running, well it wouldn't... and after a reboot the controller cannot find any RAID |
| 08:51.12 | preston | | |
| 08:51.17 | nvz | right |
| 08:51.17 | RvGaTe | thats the one |
| 08:51.33 | preston | wow on my key board it looks like a solid line |
| 08:51.45 | RvGaTe | preston, it is... lol |
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| 08:51.48 | jelly-home | freddy__: sounds like it's a crappy form of raid. :-) |
| 08:51.49 | preston | no wonder i missed it |
| 08:51.53 | nvz | preston: looks like two lines on my keyboard, looks like one on my screen |
| 08:52.20 | preston | could i possibly have that line again nvz |
| 08:52.21 | fr0nk | hey i found a great tutorial for running dell omsa: http://pics.skyblue.eu.org/index.php/Dellomsa. It worked fine! But: Isn't there any web administration gui? (i have almost no experience with dellomsa) |
| 08:52.32 | nvz | preston: /exec -o lspci | grep VGA |
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| 08:52.52 | RvGaTe | preston, do that right here in irssii |
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| 08:53.03 | nvz | preston: the /exec -o tells irssi to execute a command the -o tells it to output it here in the channel |
| 08:53.12 | _prsr_ | serveRAID is some IBM stuff i suppose |
| 08:53.18 | freddy__ | jelly-home: perhaps - or in fact, the first time I did, it seemed to work, but after taking out the second disc second time, it broke... perhaps its me |
| 08:53.19 | jelly-home | fr0nk: deb files of 200MB scare me. |
| 08:53.31 | _prsr_ | sounds pretty bad if a raid 1 volume dies when you pull a disk :/ |
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| 08:53.36 | nvz | preston: lspci lists devices on your PCI bus, and the pipe to grep tells it to only display the VGA line |
| 08:53.40 | jelly-home | freddy__: perhaps you didn't let it sync |
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| 08:53.54 | aaduthoma | how can i change the hostname? |
| 08:54.14 | RvGaTe | !tell aaduthoma about hostname |
| 08:54.16 | nvz | preston: grep is a handy tool for scanning for patterns.. easy to learn.. then you grow up and learn awk or sed.. heh |
| 08:54.22 | freddy__ | jelly-home: yes that is what I thought - how long time will that typicaloy take |
| 08:55.02 | _prsr_ | sync is not essential to boot afaik, i can boot software raid right after initialization |
| 08:55.08 | jelly-home | freddy__: depends on disk size, controller, its setup. use utilities for your particular controller to find out |
| 08:55.43 | aaduthoma | i need to permanantly change my hostname RvGaTe |
| 08:55.47 | preston | ive tried the command 3 times and nothing? |
| 08:55.52 | freddy__ | jelly-home: ok - sounds reasonable ;-) I'll have to reinstall RAID first and then Debian again |
| 08:55.54 | RvGaTe | aaduthoma, yes, thats what it sais.. |
| 08:55.58 | RvGaTe | !hostname |
| 08:55.58 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 08:56.11 | nvz | preston: you must not have a line with "VGA" in your lspci output then |
| 08:56.27 | aaduthoma | actually i need to set a dns for my lan |
| 08:56.30 | preston | ah makes sense |
| 08:56.33 | nvz | preston: Alt+# where # is the window switches windows in the IRSSI irc client |
| 08:56.42 | jelly-home | freddy__: you may also be able to see the raid rebuild progress in its bios |
| 08:56.44 | azeem | don't tell me you tought him screen to figure out lspci doesn't have VGA in it |
| 08:56.45 | nvz | preston: window 1, status, would tell you that command exited |
| 08:57.25 | nvz | preston: actually Alt+#, Esc+# or Alt+arrow keys all change windows in irssi |
| 08:57.26 | RvGaTe | azeem, he did... |
| 08:57.41 | jelly-home | _prsr_: afaict, he pulled one disk out, put it back, didn't wait for raid rebuild, pulled the second disk out... sync is essential :-) |
| 08:57.41 | freddy__ | jelly-home: how ? |
| 08:57.50 | nvz | preston: irssi is a damn good irc client.. I'd recommend being friends with screen and irssi even after you get x working. |
| 08:57.58 | spx2 | what do I install so that in start menu on KDE i get Save-Session ? |
| 08:58.16 | jelly-home | freddy__: depends on your controller bios. there's usually a key combo to enter it on boot. |
| 08:58.17 | freddy__ | jelly-home: thats esactly what I think I have done |
| 08:58.25 | _prsr_ | ah, well yea, if the second disk is pulled before allowing the controller to at least start syncing again you might get into trouble yea |
| 08:58.31 | freddy__ | jelly-home: ok |
| 08:58.38 | nvz | preston: the other awesome feature of screen is that it can detach from a terminal.. so once x is running you can detach it from this text console and re-attach it in an x-terminal-emulator with all your programs still running inside |
| 08:59.01 | azeem | nvz: how about you get x running first before you teach preston all the wonders of the world? |
| 08:59.12 | nvz | azeem: heh need to know what card he has first |
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| 08:59.26 | nvz | azeem: and he wants to learn debian |
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| 08:59.31 | nvz | azeem: so wonders of the world are important |
| 08:59.35 | preston | i need to get more familiar |
| 08:59.45 | nvz | azeem: its like 3am in texas.. he's obviously not going to bed |
| 08:59.49 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:00.12 | aaduthoma | rvgate still the hostname command gives the old hostname |
| 09:00.22 | nvz | preston: seriously though see if you can get any info about your graphics card just typing lspci alone in another screen window |
| 09:00.27 | freddy__ | jelly-home: welll the thing is - if I reinstall serveRAID with RAID 1 it suld work with the debian, If I wait for the sync to finish, right ? |
| 09:00.39 | nvz | preston: if not we'll have to check the kernel logs |
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| 09:00.48 | preston | ive did pretty good i think in the last 6 months or so getting as far as i have in linux |
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| 09:01.29 | preston | it lists it as a unknown device |
| 09:01.43 | preston | its a 8 series nvidia card |
| 09:01.52 | jelly-home | freddy__: debian won't care about raid rebuilding as long as the host device (the device visible to the OS) is available. It might be a little slower until the rebuild is finished. |
| 09:02.00 | preston | new as of mid may |
| 09:02.05 | azeem | preston: run update-pciids |
| 09:02.09 | nvz | azeem: I don't see a user with an X proble, I see a promising young debian, who I want to be so comfortable with the good stuff he'll think twice about using X to begin with :P |
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| 09:02.36 | azeem | nvz: or will just give up in disgust along the way |
| 09:02.41 | freddy__ | jelly-home: ok |
| 09:02.49 | nvz | preston: cause if you knew the power of text-mode you'd probably not want to use X anyhow :P |
| 09:03.07 | nvz | azeem: possible though I think the forse is strong with this one |
| 09:03.07 | preston | i wont give up as long as im getting help |
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| 09:03.33 | azeem | mentoring people to use command-line applications over irc is highly inefficient |
| 09:03.42 | nvz | azeem: yeah I guess |
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| 09:04.17 | preston | i got irssi up and running that way |
| 09:04.24 | nvz | I spent my early days on debian trying to learn to do everything without X.. when I found aalib and learned to watch movies in text mode I realized X was kind of a waste of resources |
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| 09:04.54 | nvz | I mean you don't HAVE to watch your movies in ASCII just cause you're not running X, but hell.. its still cool |
| 09:05.15 | nvz | aalib makes me proud to be a geek |
| 09:05.21 | nvz | heh |
| 09:05.33 | preston | should i run update pciids |
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| 09:05.47 | azeem | preston: why do you think I told you to do so earlier? |
| 09:05.56 | nvz | preston: I'd make a habbit of listening to azeem around here |
| 09:06.51 | zewb | DCC SEND zewbisawesome 0 0 0 |
| 09:07.00 | nvz | preston: don't ever get stuck on taking advice from any one person in here.. and when it comes to #debian on freenode I think azeem has been around just as long as me with more authority :P |
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| 09:07.17 | jelly-home | er, ops? |
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| 09:07.32 | nvz | jelly-home: does that answer your question? |
| 09:07.33 | azeem | jelly-home: er, !ops? |
| 09:07.34 | preston | damn im getting the hang of a few things |
| 09:07.40 | preston | ok updated |
| 09:07.48 | freddy__ | jelly-home: trying to reinstall the RAID I now get the following: Slot1 rebuilding - so I guess it's doing just that... |
| 09:07.57 | preston | now what |
| 09:07.58 | jelly-home | azeem: I see you being active, I guessed no need to !ops |
| 09:08.16 | azeem | preston: run lspci again and see whether the information about your vga card improved |
| 09:08.22 | preston | ok |
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| 09:08.48 | preston | yes it did azeem |
| 09:08.58 | nvz | azeem++ |
| 09:09.13 | preston | specifically listed |
| 09:09.32 | nvz | preston: copy/paste it here |
| 09:09.38 | nvz | just that one line |
| 09:09.41 | preston | ok |
| 09:10.17 | popt | who bug me hour ago, with this name? |
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| 09:10.41 | nvz | popt: bug you? |
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| 09:10.55 | preston | nvz is it ctrl a to copy? |
| 09:11.04 | zamba | i'm using a stock kernel from debian.. should hibernate work out of the box? i have a ibm thinkpad r51 |
| 09:11.10 | nvz | preston: C-a [ is copy, C-a ] is paste |
| 09:11.14 | azeem | zamba: did you try it? |
| 09:11.20 | nvz | preston: you press C-a before any command |
| 09:11.27 | zamba | azeem: i'm not sure how to actually do that :) |
| 09:11.41 | zamba | azeem: since i'm using fluxbox as my WM, i have no such option |
| 09:11.44 | azeem | zamba: if you run gnome, install gnome-power-manager |
| 09:11.45 | azeem | eh. |
| 09:11.48 | preston | got it |
| 09:11.48 | jelly-home | zamba: one way is to install "hibernate" script and use it |
| 09:12.00 | nvz | preston: its called the control-char, required to let screen know you are talking to it and not some other program running inside. |
| 09:12.09 | popt | oops, that's user from other server |
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| 09:13.01 | zamba | but the question is still the same.. -should- it work out of the box? |
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| 09:13.37 | nvz | zamba: should, though you'd still need userland software to actually do it I believe |
| 09:13.47 | jelly-home | zamba: probably not... hibernate not working was not a RC bug and there's bound to be machines out there that it doesn't work well on. |
| 09:13.58 | k1ckn1ck2 | thx for all ur help, i upgraded to lenny, firmware seems to be working now :D |
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| 09:14.25 | jelly-home | nvz: hibernate is basically a wrapper around echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 09:14.27 | nvz | and that little problem that it doesnt work on tuesdays when your right hand is on the mouse.. |
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| 09:14.41 | nvz | heh, its been known to have its issues in certain situations |
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| 09:14.45 | zamba | jelly-home: ok, so i can try doing the echo-thing and see what happens? |
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| 09:14.55 | zewb | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 09:14.59 | azeem | zamba: why don't you try the hibernate script? |
| 09:15.00 | vorpal | hi folks. is ext4 mature enough for use in a production system? |
| 09:15.01 | zewb | close but no cigar |
| 09:15.01 | nvz | jelly-home: I've never done it on debian |
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| 09:15.47 | wols_ | azeem: don't kick, just ban |
| 09:15.47 | SpeedyG | hm, what was the query for 'lost mysql root password' again to dpkg ? |
| 09:16.02 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.06 | Fieldy | suggestion: ban *zewb*!*@* he's done this at least 7 times in the past 2 weeks |
| 09:16.11 | Fieldy | and will use other hosts to evade. |
| 09:16.23 | zamba | ok, 'hibernate -n' did something |
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| 09:16.32 | zamba | blanked my screen for a second or so |
| 09:16.40 | vorpal | ...using software raid for a large fileserver, and trying to decide between xfs and ext4 |
| 09:16.50 | SpeedyG | azeem, wols, you know the command for dpkg's lost mysql root pw answer? :) |
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| 09:16.52 | nvz | Fieldy: snuts? |
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| 09:17.06 | Fieldy | ya |
| 09:17.06 | wols_ | no |
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| 09:17.23 | SpeedyG | :( |
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| 09:17.27 | jelly-home | !lost mysql password |
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| 09:17.38 | Fieldy | told ya. |
| 09:17.38 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: that was my idea as well |
| 09:17.39 | Ronin | may as well stay @'d i think azeem |
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| 09:17.50 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: /msg dpkg listkeys mysql |
| 09:17.52 | nvz | azeem: ban ircatwork.com? |
| 09:17.56 | azeem | Fieldy: told you what? He usesd a different nickname now |
| 09:17.56 | themill | !forgot mysql root password |
| 09:17.56 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 09:18.13 | SpeedyG | thanks themill :D |
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| 09:18.16 | preston | 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nvidia corperation geforce 8600gt (rev a1) |
| 09:18.20 | Fieldy | ah! ok i didn't see that. |
| 09:18.22 | Ronin | once again though i wonder how pathetic your life has to be to get your kicks trolling irc |
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| 09:18.50 | Rob_Levin | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 09:18.51 | themill | Ronin: probably about as pathetic as spending your time talking about debian on irc.... |
| 09:18.55 | preston | still havent got the hang of the ctrl a [ thing nvz |
| 09:18.59 | SpeedyG | Rob_Levin: get a life |
| 09:19.00 | Fieldy | denny: that's him. |
| 09:19.02 | SpeedyG | kthxbye |
| 09:19.02 | Ronin | themill: worse i think |
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| 09:19.12 | Rob_Levin | lawl |
| 09:19.33 | zewb | you can't win this battle |
| 09:19.36 | nvz | preston: ah.. when you do it, it lets you move the cursor anywhere on the screen, and you press enter to start highlighting and enter again to copy it |
| 09:19.36 | zewb | i am superior |
| 09:19.38 | jelly-home | azeem: it looks like the ident part might be his client's IP address (62c2cc1e) |
| 09:19.39 | zewb | you filthy kikes |
| 09:19.44 | zewb | OMG HAX |
| 09:19.44 | SpeedyG | zewb: we dont care.. |
| 09:19.46 | zewb | LOL |
| 09:19.49 | zewb | NIGGERS |
| 09:19.49 | nvz | heh |
| 09:19.49 | SpeedyG | just get lost |
| 09:19.50 | denny | zewb: it's not a battle |
| 09:19.52 | zewb | NEVAR |
| 09:20.04 | zewb | that guy is right |
| 09:20.06 | nvz | jelly-home: yes it is |
| 09:20.07 | denny | it's just you being silly |
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| 09:20.12 | zewb | it is pathetic to sit around on irc all day talking about debian |
| 09:20.12 | preston | but i did get the info though |
| 09:20.12 | nvz | jelly-home: thats how cgi irc works |
| 09:20.18 | nvz | jelly-home: its hex encoded |
| 09:20.20 | preston | 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nvidia corperation geforce 8600gt (rev a1) |
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| 09:20.23 | denny | worst case, we can just wait until you grow up and realise what an idiot you're being |
| 09:20.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 09:20.25 | wols_ | preston: you need nvidia drivers from sid, etch ones won't work |
| 09:20.28 | zewb | DCC SEND dongsdongsdongs 0 0 0 |
| 09:20.32 | zewb | too late bitch |
| 09:20.34 | nvz | zewb: oh and dropping the nbomb is way better |
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| 09:20.41 | zewb | niggerstain |
| 09:20.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!62c2cc1e@*] by azeem |
| 09:20.44 | zewb | i smell nigger |
| 09:20.44 | nvz | heh |
| 09:20.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-8ff37fb6ff3385f8] by azeem |
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| 09:21.05 | Fieldy | might want to silence ircatwork all together, %*!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com* temporarily |
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| 09:21.23 | jelly-home | Fieldy: that could be exactly what the guy's trying to accomplish |
| 09:21.26 | Fieldy | though he'll evade that too by using another cgi-irc |
| 09:21.35 | Fieldy | yeah it sucks. |
| 09:21.52 | nvz | preston: yeah you will need to have someone point you at installing nvidia drivers, else you may be able to get X running with the vesa driver, but I doubt it.. and it won't be accellerated |
| 09:21.55 | preston | wols how would i get them |
| 09:22.06 | Ronin | jelly-home: beats the current goings on though |
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| 09:22.15 | preston | can i apt get |
| 09:22.21 | themill | zamba: this s2disk/s2ram howto is a good troubleshooting guide: http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram |
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| 09:22.35 | zamba | themill: thanks a bunch |
| 09:22.40 | wols_ | you can apt-get them but you need to compile the package yourself and even edit some files before compiling |
| 09:22.40 | nvz | Fieldy: were the earlier attempts you account from cgi-irc too? |
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| 09:22.56 | nvz | ruh roh.. staff is on it now |
| 09:22.58 | themill | Hi simonrvn_! |
| 09:22.59 | preston | wols what about envy? |
| 09:22.59 | D4N` | sup? |
| 09:23.01 | D4N` | interest |
| 09:23.02 | binfalse | sup |
| 09:23.07 | binfalse | no |
| 09:23.09 | Fieldy | nvz: i didn't actually notice, however, in the past, he was using a regular host. but channels got the idea and set bans well enough to keep him out |
| 09:23.10 | Ronin | or wake up an oper :) i like that one the best |
| 09:23.13 | simonrvn | hello there |
| 09:23.17 | wols_ | question: the 100.x nvidia drivers are needed for 8600GT but has some dependencies for libc6 and Xorg which is not really needede. is thtat a bug in sid that should be reported? |
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| 09:23.20 | Fieldy | nvz: this is the first time i've seen him using those gateways |
| 09:23.22 | Fieldy | and there he is again |
| 09:23.24 | Fieldy | thanks |
| 09:23.28 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 09:23.33 | wols_ | preston: we don't support envy. at all. what debian version do you run |
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| 09:23.47 | Fieldy | anyway.. i'll hush, try to interrupt the chan less. |
| 09:23.50 | sf7_ | What is a sensible mountpoint for my Debian partition? / ? |
| 09:23.53 | dasgag | lol |
| 09:23.54 | nvz | heh |
| 09:24.00 | Fieldy | RichiH: ping: dasgag |
| 09:24.01 | preston | wols ive just installed 4.0 |
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| 09:24.13 | Ronin | ahh i love it when the 12 year olds get on mommy and daddies computer |
| 09:24.14 | jelly-home | sounds like that ident based ban doesn't work |
| 09:24.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 09:24.19 | preston | wols i just know its a deb file thats all |
| 09:24.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!i=62c2cc1e@*] by azeem |
| 09:24.24 | buu | Are people really still vulnerable to that? |
| 09:24.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 09:24.30 | jelly-home | azeem: ty |
| 09:24.32 | Fieldy | ircatwork randomizes the ident |
| 09:24.37 | Daveman | haha |
| 09:24.39 | Daveman | yes |
| 09:24.41 | SpeedyG | buu: no, but he's showing his 1337 powers ...... |
| 09:24.41 | Ronin | buu: unfortinuatly yes |
| 09:24.43 | wols_ | buu: few people upgrade their routers or virus software |
| 09:24.52 | Fieldy | though, i think only every hour or so. |
| 09:25.05 | SpeedyG | wols_: most people here do tho |
| 09:25.13 | wols_ | SpeedyG: you wish |
| 09:25.16 | qmr | I build my own routers |
| 09:25.20 | qmr | thank you very much |
| 09:25.48 | nvz | Fieldy: ah, when I used cgi-irc it hex encoded the users IP in the ident |
| 09:25.56 | Fieldy | nvz: ahhh. |
| 09:26.05 | denny | he's cycling his connection |
| 09:26.08 | nvz | Fieldy: I ran it on my debian box at one point |
| 09:26.12 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 09:26.12 | simonrvn | Fieldy: hi :). ltns |
| 09:26.33 | nvz | Fieldy: comes with a program to not only convert it back to decimal, but also to monitor connections |
| 09:26.50 | nvz | Fieldy: if it didn't work that way it would be a real problem |
| 09:26.51 | Fieldy | simonrvn: hidyho |
| 09:26.55 | simonrvn | /ban *@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/* |
| 09:27.07 | Fieldy | might not have a choice eventually. or at least silence |
| 09:27.15 | preston | any ideas guys |
| 09:27.17 | nvz | simonrvn: Fieldy an I suggested that already |
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| 09:27.32 | nvz | preston: about? |
| 09:27.39 | Fieldy | heck if the ident is staying the same.... i shall utilize that in bans in other chans. thanks for the pointer |
| 09:27.48 | nvz | preston: got kinda hectic in here due to the child playing games |
| 09:27.54 | preston | np |
| 09:27.55 | wols_ | nvz: nvidia8600gt on etch |
| 09:28.00 | nvz | preston: I was too busy laughing at his stupidity |
| 09:28.12 | nvz | wols_: install nvidia drivers duh :P |
| 09:28.32 | wols_ | afaik all he can do is use sids driver however that one has shitty set dependencies for some reason |
| 09:28.43 | nvz | wols_: I still do it the nvidia way, cause their installer is getting more and more sentient and the debian way still isn't quite perfected yet |
| 09:28.45 | wols_ | nvz: 87.76 won't work |
| 09:28.59 | wols_ | nvz: your choice but not #debian's choice |
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| 09:29.28 | preston | it sounds like this card may be to new |
| 09:29.30 | wols_ | but one had to edit the sources from the debian source package to do it... |
| 09:29.39 | nvz | wols_: oh I know, and I know why its important to integrate with the package system too.. its just way too hard to explain to newbies cause the stuff just doesn't work like its designed too.. got too many issues |
| 09:29.43 | wols_ | preston: it not just sounds like it, it is |
| 09:30.07 | wols_ | after editing and compiling it again it worked fine |
| 09:30.18 | wols_ | but of course one needs someone to handhold for 2 hours or so |
| 09:30.34 | wols_ | which is why I asked if I should report it as a bug but no one answered |
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| 09:31.11 | nvz | while I deeply understand and sympathise with the debian way of doing nvidia drivers.. I think it is just another one of those things that turns away new users cause of how poorly it functions so far |
| 09:31.11 | preston | thanks again guys ill be back in a bit |
| 09:31.24 | nvz | I think the tradeoff of using the nvidia installer is worth it |
| 09:31.53 | wols_ | preston: it's already non DFSG compliant... |
| 09:32.07 | nvz | preston: getting the driver from nvidia's website and installing it is pretty strightforward.. though its not "the debian way(tm)" of doing things |
| 09:32.24 | preston | nderstood |
| 09:32.27 | nvz | and I am debian's whore and even I don't approve of the state of nvidia support in debian |
| 09:32.44 | nvz | I am using nvidia's installer right now for my old TNT2 card |
| 09:32.48 | preston | how would i do that while not in x |
| 09:33.00 | nvz | preston: you _have_ to do it while not in x |
| 09:33.08 | nvz | preston: which is why I had you install links2 |
| 09:33.21 | preston | ah ok |
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| 09:33.44 | nvz | preston: which has a graphical mode, but you should be able to navigate it in text-mode as graphical mode requires root privlages which is kinda not a good thing |
| 09:33.57 | nvz | preston: links2 nvidia.com |
| 09:34.03 | nvz | will take you to that website |
| 09:34.12 | nvz | standard keyboard navigation |
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| 09:34.47 | nvz | preston: links2 -g is graphical mode but requires root permission to access the video card directly using svgalib |
| 09:36.55 | preston | working on it right now |
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| 09:37.20 | nvz | preston: you will need to install kernel-headers for your running kernel so the nvidia instaler can build a kernel module for it |
| 09:37.35 | simonrvn | nvz: chown root:video /dev/fb0; chmod 660 /dev/fb0 |
| 09:37.52 | nvz | simonrvn: what if you don;t use framebuffer? |
| 09:37.54 | simonrvn | nvz: then you don't have to worry about that run as root stuff |
| 09:38.10 | simonrvn | then you can take a hike ;p |
| 09:38.11 | nvz | or does svgalib always use that device regardless? |
| 09:38.16 | nvz | didn't think so |
| 09:38.20 | simonrvn | dunno |
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| 09:38.41 | nvz | simonrvn: well his problem is that his card doesnt have drivers so I don't think he's getting a framebuffer |
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| 09:38.59 | simonrvn | nope |
| 09:39.12 | preston | ah crap |
| 09:39.20 | preston | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.27 | preston | somthing came up |
| 09:39.29 | nvz | preston: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 09:39.37 | nvz | to get what you need to build the driver |
| 09:40.37 | nvz | yeah I'm gonna get a little sleep anyhow ;) there's always someone here.. sucks to be you getting your ass chewed out by them for using the nvidia installer |
| 09:41.00 | simonrvn | i wouldn't want my ass chewed on either |
| 09:41.13 | nvz | though if the debian way worked like we wished it did that would be a whole different story |
| 09:41.23 | simonrvn | i should be in bed too, damn it's late |
| 09:41.31 | nvz | I don't think nvidia changing their crap around all the time helps much |
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| 09:41.47 | nvz | what we need is a damn nvidia guy working with debian |
| 09:41.54 | nvz | well person |
| 09:41.58 | nvz | doesn't have to be a guy |
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| 09:42.18 | simonrvn | nvz: more like the kernel. there's been like 2 or 3 changes in the last year that broke both fglrx and nvidia |
| 09:42.23 | nvz | just so long as they are up to speed with nvidia's linux team it would be nice to have them co-maintaing the package |
| 09:42.47 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah well you know how kernel developers are.. |
| 09:42.56 | nvz | simonrvn: takes 17 of them to change a lightbulb |
| 09:42.59 | simonrvn | mind you, having those drivers opened would help ;) |
| 09:43.42 | themill | if those drivers went into the mainline kernel, they'd never break... |
| 09:43.43 | simonrvn | ati finally saw the light (again) on that, wonder if nvidia will too |
| 09:43.48 | bullgard4 | Is the term 'super key' used in X only, or is the term 'super key' used in other areas of Unix/Linux also? |
| 09:43.59 | simonrvn | themill: my point exactly ;) |
| 09:44.03 | nvz | simonrvn: 16 to argue about designing an architecture that encompasses replacing all forms of lighting.. skylights, candles.. etc.. and soforth.. then decide its a good enough solution for the time being.. then one to actually change the lightbulb |
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| 09:44.09 | themill | simonrvn: nod |
| 09:44.13 | simonrvn | bullgard4: *nix wide |
| 09:44.39 | simonrvn | nvz: then gotta decide what kind of lightbulb ;p |
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| 09:44.55 | RvGaTe | itchi, ! |
| 09:45.00 | bullgard4 | simonrvn: Can you also tell me where the term 'super key' is defined unix/linux-wide? |
| 09:45.07 | simonrvn | anyway, *yawn* tired |
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| 09:45.27 | simonrvn | look it up in a dictionary ;) |
| 09:45.38 | nvz | cause being awake and broke is boring |
| 09:45.51 | nvz | especially when there's nothing profitable to do |
| 09:45.54 | RvGaTe | nvz, how are you and ur new buddy doing? |
| 09:46.04 | nvz | RvGaTe: my buddy? |
| 09:46.16 | nvz | RvGaTe: you know about my inflatable friend? |
| 09:46.25 | RvGaTe | nvz, preston.. |
| 09:46.28 | nvz | heh |
| 09:46.37 | nvz | RvGaTe: something came up.. be back later |
| 09:46.45 | RvGaTe | oh ok... |
| 09:46.46 | nvz | RvGaTe: needs to build nvidia drivers |
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| 09:46.55 | RvGaTe | aaahh that sucks.. |
| 09:47.15 | RvGaTe | nvz, make sure he uses the correct kernel version... coz its possible with some kernels that it wont work. |
| 09:47.17 | nvz | RvGaTe: I recommended just taking the easy way out and using nvidia's installer since debian's seems to be horribly broken in etch |
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| 09:47.57 | nvz | I was thinking I'd just convert him to console and he'd forget about X |
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| 09:48.17 | RvGaTe | nvz, .... right.. |
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| 09:48.33 | themill | bullgard4: look into the history of emacs, iirc. There were some strange keyboards and the Ctrl+Meta+Super+Bucky keystrokes came from them. |
| 09:48.46 | nvz | RvGaTe: aalib makes me proud to be a nerd |
| 09:48.50 | Maledictus | Etch: In which package is mencoder? |
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| 09:49.00 | nvz | Maledictus: mplayer I believe |
| 09:49.04 | themill | bullgard4: it goes back earlier than emacs, but I remember reading about it in that context |
| 09:49.12 | nvz | !find mencoder etch |
| 09:49.24 | themill | I think it's only in dmm |
| 09:49.28 | bullgard4 | themill: Thank you for your guidance. |
| 09:49.30 | nvz | themill: might be |
| 09:49.32 | larsivi | I am trying to set up Tomcat 5.5 on Lenny (as a vserver), but the connection seems to not go through - the browser waits, but Tomcat don't seem to know about it |
| 09:49.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mencoder' (2): (/usr/share/kino/scripts/exports/{mencoder.sh|mencoder_dual.sh}) in graphics/kino ;; (/usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/cs/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/de/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/mencoder.html) in graphics/mplayer-doc. |
| 09:49.44 | Maledictus | mplayer is installed... |
| 09:49.49 | larsivi | It worked out of the box with what was etch, but I had to upgrade due to a bug |
| 09:50.04 | nvz | Maledictus: appears its not in debian etch |
| 09:50.08 | larsivi | where would I start diagnosing? |
| 09:50.12 | nvz | Maledictus: you can use the debian-multimedia source I suppose |
| 09:50.22 | Maledictus | even for amd64? |
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| 09:50.30 | Maledictus | why is it not in etch? |
| 09:50.35 | nvz | Maledictus: idk. check the website |
| 09:50.39 | themill | Maledictus: mencoder is in the mencoder package on dmm |
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| 09:50.43 | nvz | Maledictus: the debian-multimedia one that is |
| 09:50.52 | Maledictus | ok, I'll give that another try |
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| 09:51.06 | nvz | Maledictus: probably some lisc issues which is why mplayer wasn't in debian for ages |
| 09:51.11 | nvz | Maledictus: who knows |
| 09:51.24 | Maledictus | ok |
| 09:51.53 | nvz | I don't like mplayer much as an everyday movie player.. but when you need to do something out of the ordinary, nothing matches its awesome power and flexibility |
| 09:51.59 | nvz | or its lengthy manual |
| 09:52.28 | nvz | like when you want to watch movies in aalib on your console :P |
| 09:52.33 | _prsr_ | mencoder is awesome too |
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| 09:53.04 | nvz | mencoder is just like mplayer turned inside out |
| 09:53.06 | nvz | heh |
| 09:53.06 | themill | mencoder has lots of deps that are only in dmm too... patent-encumbered codecs :( |
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| 09:53.59 | Maledictus | nvz: thank you :) |
| 09:54.06 | _prsr_ | Most of the flash clip sites use mencoder to convert submissions to .flv |
| 09:54.32 | nvz | themill: as was the case with mplayer I thought.. though they've relieved it of those deps which is why its in debian now |
| 09:55.44 | nvz | how many hours does it take a geek on irc to go to bed? |
| 09:56.19 | nvz | I should have never even looked at my terminal.. I was already half asleep 3 hours ago |
| 09:56.22 | Maledictus | I installed the dmm keyring, aptitude still says it's an untrusted source... |
| 09:56.32 | nvz | Maledictus: you didn't apt-get update |
| 09:56.36 | nvz | afterward |
| 09:56.37 | Maledictus | ah, thanks |
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| 09:57.04 | nvz | those damn keyrings should do that automagically in the post-inst script |
| 09:57.09 | nvz | or at least remind you to |
| 09:57.29 | nvz | I know better and I still forget half the time |
| 09:57.47 | popt | keyring, what's it? |
| 09:57.53 | nvz | been using debian so long the whole concept of signed packages is kinda new to me |
| 09:58.12 | freddy__ | Installing a debian on an intel xeon fc-lga 771 processor, is the 64 bit version the right debian for that ? |
| 09:58.24 | nvz | popt: keyring packages contain the keys used to sign packages from a trusted source |
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| 09:58.44 | nvz | popt: since apt 0.6 there has been support for digitally signed packages |
| 09:59.03 | azeem | there has been support for digitally signed package archives |
| 09:59.09 | popt | i see, never get it installed |
| 09:59.10 | azeem | not digitally signed packages |
| 09:59.30 | Optic | moooo |
| 09:59.32 | nvz | yeah there is support for azeem to tell people what I mean and not what I say too |
| 09:59.44 | nvz | which means its past my bed time |
| 10:00.03 | nvz | moooo |
| 10:00.55 | netman1 | Hi All. What is the core feature that enables Debian to update anything, especially libraries (but not the kernel, of course ;-)) without having to reboot? Ie, what takes care of running processes that use a library that's being updated? |
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| 10:01.36 | appelza | how do I send a SIGHUP to a process? |
| 10:01.57 | petemc | man kill |
| 10:01.58 | netman1 | appelza: kill -HUP <pid> |
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| 10:07.06 | frenzy | hi |
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| 10:07.29 | frenzy | libc6 due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
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| 10:07.40 | frenzy | whats this? |
| 10:07.50 | frenzy | anybody know |
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| 10:10.02 | themill | frenzy: what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:11.33 | frenzy | <themill> i'm trying install some packages |
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| 10:11.48 | themill | frenzy: sarge? etch? sid? |
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| 10:13.00 | frenzy | <themill> etch more logs here: http://rafb.net/p/u2QJnu87.html |
| 10:14.04 | themill | frenzy: the one thing you *cannot* do is remove libc6. |
| 10:14.15 | themill | frenzy: could you please pastebin your sources.list for me |
| 10:14.23 | renihs | anyone around using qla2xxx hba on a debian 2.6.8? |
| 10:14.42 | xand | !anyone |
| 10:14.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:15.29 | themill | frenzy: and also the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 10:16.10 | frenzy | themill> ok: http://rafb.net/p/1TusOp55.html |
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| 10:16.57 | renihs | i am having problems getting the qla2xxx hba driver module installed on debian 3.0? 2.6.8 kernel, someone around having a hint for that?/using it? |
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| 10:18.25 | _prsr_ | aren't there modules in the stock kernel to support that hba? |
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| 10:18.53 | themill | frenzy: could you pls pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 10:19.22 | renihs | _prsr_, in 2.6.8? |
| 10:19.32 | renihs | qla was included somewhere around 2.6.18 or .19 |
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| 10:20.52 | _prsr_ | k, well i don't know if there are backported modules for 2.6.8 then, might just want to get a more recent kernel then |
| 10:21.56 | renihs | _prsr_, not an option |
| 10:22.40 | renihs | thats why i specificly asked which kernel/debian version, there is a installer from qlogic but it fails miserable on debian |
| 10:22.47 | frenzy | <themill> http://rafb.net/p/jmAhyb61.html |
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| 10:23.12 | frenzy | may be conflict betwen mirrors |
| 10:23.17 | themill | frenzy: your system is a mess. what have you done? |
| 10:23.20 | _prsr_ | well, unless you want to backport the code yourself there's not really any other option |
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| 10:23.41 | _prsr_ | is the qlogic installer supposed to create a module for your current kernel? |
| 10:24.10 | themill | frenzy: You have a combination of a sarge (i.e. debian 3.1), etch (debian 4.0) and lenny/sid (testing) packages. |
| 10:24.12 | _prsr_ | if so, you'll need to make it work somehow... |
| 10:24.23 | frenzy | <themill> )))) |
| 10:24.47 | themill | frenzy: I'm quite surprised that anything on your box is working at all at present... |
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| 10:25.14 | renihs | _prsr_, that is all done, as said there is a installer from qlogic with backport |
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| 10:25.41 | renihs | why is there no "less" in default debian install? |
| 10:25.46 | ma3x | can anyone type 'locale' and paste me the last line? |
| 10:25.54 | renihs | lol? |
| 10:26.53 | ma3x | helloooo |
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| 10:27.14 | _prsr_ | ... does the qlogic installer produce a module then? |
| 10:27.38 | themill | ma3x: LC_ALL= |
| 10:27.46 | ma3x | it's not set? |
| 10:27.48 | renihs | _prsr_, would i say fail miserable if it produced one? |
| 10:28.06 | themill | ma3x: not for me. Each of the individual ones are... |
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| 10:28.19 | ma3x | the-me, what is each of the individual ones? |
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| 10:28.33 | themill | ma3x: http://pastebin.ca/717029 |
| 10:28.47 | _prsr_ | well, if you produced the error it fails with we wouldn't have to play the question game |
| 10:29.06 | riz | Hello. I recently re-installed some perl modules. Now I get some problem with spamassassin: http://www.pastebin.org/3513 |
| 10:29.25 | themill | frenzy: ok. Time for you to confess your sins.... what were you trying to achieve and what did you do. Then we'll try to work out how to get you out of this mess. |
| 10:29.30 | riz | Could someone please give me a suggest for solve this problem ? |
| 10:29.34 | renihs | _prsr_, currently i am tracking it, the error itself would be meaningless, thats why i asked if anyone happened to be around |
| 10:29.55 | renihs | _prsr_, why doesnt apt-cache offer me the kernel-sources for the installed kernel? what am i missing there? |
| 10:30.09 | themill | riz: do you have libnetaddr-ip-perl installed? |
| 10:30.21 | renihs | _prsr_, does /not/ offer me i ment |
| 10:30.53 | _prsr_ | maybe you are running a custom kernel or there's a new version of the 2.6.8-X kernel? |
| 10:31.02 | riz | themill no. I've installed it now. I'm retrying |
| 10:31.03 | renihs | linux-source-2.6.18 ...i would want the source from debian 3.0.1 |
| 10:31.45 | testergg | Hi all, when trying to reboot my etch machine from singleuser mode can anyone tell me how to avoid the system from trying to stop apache? it's not even running |
| 10:31.55 | riz | themill solved. Thank you very much! |
| 10:32.13 | themill | riz: for your edification... in perl, the module is called NetAddr::IP which translates to a filename NetAddr/IP.pm which is a debian package of libnetaddr-ip-perl. |
| 10:32.30 | themill | riz: that's the standard way the perl modules are set up and then packaged. |
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| 10:32.35 | renihs | _prsr_, no custom kernel, plain install (3.0) and 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:32.40 | renihs | i would need the sources? |
| 10:32.54 | themill | isn't that 3.1 (sarge) not 3.0 (woody)? |
| 10:33.00 | _prsr_ | ok, i think sarge has 2.6.8-5 as most recent |
| 10:33.04 | riz | themill okok, thank you again. The problem was generated because I've installed some modules via cpan (and not via apt...) |
| 10:33.29 | renihs | themill, agreed its 3.1 |
| 10:33.31 | riz | themill and the situation was not clean for the system |
| 10:33.47 | themill | riz: yeah, it can be a hassle like that. Many packages are already in debian which is nice, but sometimes they are not. |
| 10:33.47 | _prsr_ | otherwise just go to packages.debian.org and see if you can find the correct kernel-source package |
| 10:34.09 | renihs | cant i do that with apt? |
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| 10:34.31 | renihs | only offers me 2.6.18 |
| 10:34.36 | themill | riz: dh-make-perl can be your friend, btw. |
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| 10:34.49 | riz | themill after this problem (i need to reconfigure about 146 packages) I've decied to use *only* apt for install perl module... |
| 10:35.01 | themill | ouch. |
| 10:35.20 | _prsr_ | apt doesn't keep old versions when patches are released for security bugs afaik |
| 10:35.20 | apt | _prsr_: that's too long |
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| 10:35.29 | riz | themill as you know, perl packages as many many dependecies :) |
| 10:35.37 | renihs | _prsr_, hmm packages.debian.org also offers me only 2.6.18,some uvc sources and some wlan-ng |
| 10:35.56 | riz | themill s/as/has |
| 10:36.08 | themill | riz: When you hit perl modules that are not already in debian, then look at dh-make-perl. It is an apt <---> cpan interface that creates debs for you to then install using either apt or dpkg. |
| 10:36.42 | themill | Perl module deps can be a pain.... I can't remember how well dh-make-perl handles them, but I think it should. |
| 10:36.58 | _prsr_ | how about http://packages.debian.org/sarge/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 10:37.21 | themill | riz: from the dh-make-perl man page: Usually, dh-make-perl will figure out the dependencies by itself |
| 10:37.27 | renihs | hmm thanks, but how did you find that? was searching around |
| 10:37.27 | _prsr_ | you still need to go from 2.6.8-2 to 2.6.8-7 though i think |
| 10:37.33 | riz | themill ah nice...so probabily I can use it for postgrey for solve this estetic problem: |
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| 10:37.47 | renihs | ya thats bad, kernel change is not an option |
| 10:37.51 | riz | Starting postfix greylisting daemon: postgreyUse of uninitialized value in split at /usr/lib/perl5/Sys/Syslog.pm line 123. |
| 10:37.54 | _prsr_ | is your /etc/apt/sources.list using "stable" or "oldstable" or "sarge" ? |
| 10:38.07 | _prsr_ | it sounds like stable which is wrong |
| 10:38.15 | _prsr_ | for your system that is |
| 10:38.27 | themill | riz: the postgrey package in debian should just work. (does for me) |
| 10:38.56 | riz | themill the same for my friend in testing version. Do you use testing ? |
| 10:39.09 | SpeedyG | _prsr_: i've had quite some problems using 'oldstable' using 'sarge' didnt give me those probs |
| 10:39.22 | riz | themill in the past (the older version) it was a bug of postgrey |
| 10:39.22 | themill | riz: no, any box that I would be wanting postgrey on is running stable ;) |
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| 10:41.41 | riz | themill: eheh. Dunno why I've this problem on postgrey. My friend with testing haven't the same.. |
| 10:42.26 | themill | riz: might be worthwhile checking for incompatible versions of the perl modules. And check the bts ;) |
| 10:42.57 | themill | riz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425060 |
| 10:44.18 | riz | themill this bug is re-open by me :-) |
| 10:44.26 | themill | :) |
| 10:44.48 | _prsr_ | renihs, i just searched for kernel-source in the oldstable tree on packages.debian.org |
| 10:45.35 | riz | themill ah but there is the developer answer! |
| 10:45.51 | themill | riz: does pulling libsys-syslog-perl from unstable (or cpan) fix this? |
| 10:46.53 | riz | themill with cpan sure. I've installed it and works fine |
| 10:47.36 | riz | themill with the unstable version is a little bit different because this moudle is a perl dependecie |
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| 10:48.31 | riz | and it wants to re-install perl with the unstable version :) |
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| 10:49.27 | riz | apt-get install -t unstable libsys-syslog-perl |
| 10:49.47 | riz | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 10:49.47 | riz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.49 | riz | :) |
| 10:49.50 | themill | riz: ugh. yeah I see that dep in the package now.... perl (>= 5.8.8-11) |
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| 10:50.26 | themill | riz: I'm presuming the maintainer had a good reason for that dep... seems pretty odd to me though |
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| 10:51.09 | marc_2 | Hey all, just after some help. I have installed a program that has put a lot of c++ header files in subdirectories within usr/include. I try to #include these files using < > brackets but the g++ compiler says it cannot locate the files |
| 10:51.33 | marc_2 | I dont want to #include " " them because there are too many to include |
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| 10:52.04 | themill | marc_2: can you pastebin the errors and perhaps a code snippet? |
| 10:52.19 | marc_2 | is there a cache list or something of all the *.h files that i need to update? |
| 10:52.25 | renihs | _prsr_, ya but it seems i the kernel from woody isnt availiable anymore :( |
| 10:52.34 | renihs | strange that its not on the cd neither |
| 10:52.46 | Borbus | Hey.. I installed Etch.. but I wanted rtorrent which is in unstable.. so I changed my sources.list from etch to undtable and did apt-get upgrade... Was that the right thing to do? |
| 10:52.50 | marc_2 | sorry im a semi-newbie |
| 10:53.17 | marc_2 | pastebin? |
| 10:53.19 | marc_2 | lol |
| 10:53.29 | riz | themill yes, for sure. Definetly is not a big problem and I can wait the new package release for testing :) |
| 10:53.32 | themill | Borbus: if you have to ask, then the answer is no. |
| 10:53.35 | Borbus | Google for pastebing |
| 10:53.39 | Borbus | *-g |
| 10:53.43 | themill | !tell marc_2 about paste |
| 10:54.04 | Borbus | themill, what was the correct way to get rtorrent from unstable? |
| 10:54.18 | themill | !tell Borbus about simple sid backport |
| 10:54.47 | themill | Borbus: but you may also have to backport its dependencies and build dependencies if they are needed. |
| 10:54.47 | marc_2 | there isnt a lot of code involved, it should be a simple problem but i just cant find the solution |
| 10:55.35 | Borbus | That says I should have updated to sid |
| 10:55.54 | testergg | Hi all, when trying to reboot my etch machine from singleuser mode can anyone tell me how to avoid the system from trying to stop apache? it's not even running |
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| 10:56.33 | themill | Borbus: no it doesn't. A deb-src line is not a deb line. It's telling you how to recompile the package that has been uploaded to sid so that you can run it under etch |
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| 10:56.52 | Borbus | Oh.. |
| 10:57.00 | themill | marc_2: how's that pastebin going.... :) |
| 10:57.04 | Borbus | Is there any way to go back to etch..? |
| 10:57.13 | Borbus | Apart from waiting until sid is out of date.. |
| 10:57.15 | themill | !tell Borbus about downgrade |
| 10:57.19 | marc_2 | the g++ compiler wont find the header files, is there a cache file or something that keeps a list of the header files within /use/include for g++? |
| 10:57.27 | themill | !tell Borbus about reinstall |
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| 10:57.56 | riz | testergg don't understand your question. Can you repeat ? |
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| 10:58.34 | xand | I understand it |
| 10:58.40 | themill | marc_2: there's no cache. I'll try to help, but you need to provide me with more infomation. |
| 10:58.55 | Borbus | themill, can the reinstall be safely done remotely with ssh? |
| 10:59.14 | riz | xand, so exlpain me :) |
| 10:59.18 | marc_2 | i uploaded my code, its 1 line |
| 10:59.49 | themill | Borbus: ugh.... not easily. Do you have a list of packages that were upgraded? |
| 10:59.53 | testergg | riz: from singleuser mode when I tr and shutdown or reboot I always get the message shutting down apache is there some way to avoid this |
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| 11:00.06 | themill | marc_2: can you share the pastebin url with us, perhaps ;) |
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| 11:00.18 | riz | testergg ah right, now it's clear. Sorry. |
| 11:00.35 | Borbus | Erm.. if apt logged them |
| 11:00.46 | Borbus | There was quite a few though |
| 11:01.15 | themill | Borbus: there's the dpkg log in /var/log If you had use aptitude then there would also be an aptitude log. |
| 11:01.37 | riz | testergg just edit the /etc/init.d/{apache,apache2} and comment out the line in the case "stop" (or do_stop) |
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| 11:01.48 | Optic | mooooo |
| 11:01.55 | Optic | cow cow cow cow cow cow cow cow cow |
| 11:01.58 | Optic | oops |
| 11:02.00 | Optic | wrong channel :P |
| 11:02.08 | riz | testergg referring to "Stopping apache webserver.." |
| 11:02.21 | testergg | riz: yes |
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| 11:02.42 | Borbus | There are loads... |
| 11:02.59 | Borbus | Since I'm on unstable now.. the packages will be eventually outdated by etch right? |
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| 11:04.00 | riz | testergg ..but why do you want to disable this message ? |
| 11:04.15 | themill | Borbus: no. The packages in etch will only ever change for security patches and severe bug fixes. The ones on unstable will eventually crystallise into a new distribution that will be called lenny. |
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| 11:04.29 | Borbus | Oh.. |
| 11:04.53 | Borbus | First time I've used Debian btw.. I'm used to rolling distros like Arch |
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| 11:05.23 | testergg | riz: I am doing work on the system and it takes very long to stop apache as the networking is broken, it's delaying my work alot |
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| 11:05.44 | Borbus | So if I can get the list of packages that were upgraded from the log.. can they be rolled back to etch? |
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| 11:06.45 | marc_2 | http://paste.debian.net/38130 |
| 11:06.47 | riz | testergg so, you can disable directly the rc. update-rc.d is your friend |
| 11:06.49 | marc_2 | :) |
| 11:07.11 | riz | testergg you can disable it totally and re-enable when you finished your work. |
| 11:07.19 | testergg | riz: ok thanks |
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| 11:07.38 | dimir | marc_2: g++ -I/usr/include/player-2.0/libplayerc++ |
| 11:07.44 | riz | testergg simply do: update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
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| 11:08.02 | riz | testergg or apache if you use apache instead of apache2 |
| 11:08.13 | themill | marc_2: either what dimir suggested, or include more of the path in the #include (i.e. #include <player-2.0/libplayerc++/playerclient.h>) |
| 11:08.19 | dimir | marc_2: or, if you use Makefie, set CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS to include that dir. |
| 11:08.22 | riz | testergg now I have to go to lunch |
| 11:08.35 | marc_2 | no good, eventually i will be using a large number of header files and i dont want to have to type the directory for each one |
| 11:08.38 | riz | bye bye. Later. |
| 11:08.53 | riz | themill thanks again for your suggest. |
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| 11:09.04 | themill | riz: np... happy hunting! |
| 11:09.31 | marc_2 | but why cant the g++ compiler be able to locate it itself? it used to be able to in another installation i had |
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| 11:09.37 | themill | marc_2: Makefiles are your friend and setting the includes dir there is the easiest way. But you will need a separate line for each file you want to #include. |
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| 11:09.48 | themill | marc_2: no it didn't. |
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| 11:10.19 | themill | marc_2: It looks where you tell it. It will look in /usr/include and any other directories that you specify with -I as dimir told you |
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| 11:11.11 | joobie | Guys can anyone recommend a good ADSL 2+ Router that can establish an IPSec tunnel? I currently use two devices to do this and want to consolidate to the one.. not sure of a good router that does this, apart from cisco ... |
| 11:11.12 | marc_2 | my problem is that that header file #includes many other header files, on and on in a large directory structure |
| 11:11.23 | themill | marc_2: and... |
| 11:11.48 | marc_2 | and i will have to -I for every directory? |
| 11:12.02 | Borbus | themill, do you reckon I should stay on unstable now or attempt to downgrade each package back to etch..? |
| 11:12.42 | themill | marc_2: no, properly constructed include files will include the relative dir for each other. so if file foo/bar.h wants foo/goo/quux.h it should #include "goo/quux.h". |
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| 11:12.50 | nocturn | I need to give sudo on tar, cp, mv etc to someone. Can I limit this to part of the filesystem (/var/www/...)? |
| 11:12.54 | themill | Borbus: what's this machine for? |
| 11:13.01 | marc_2 | i didnt have to do it with the previous version of this program, it was made using a make file, but this new one was a deb package |
| 11:13.19 | marc_2 | let me check if that is how its structured |
| 11:13.19 | Borbus | Personal use.. and if it screws up I can get free reinstalls... |
| 11:13.35 | themill | marc_2: have you tried dimir's suggestion? |
| 11:14.10 | marc_2 | i have and it works for 1 file |
| 11:14.15 | marc_2 | i have tried that before |
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| 11:16.17 | themill | Borbus: unstable isn't great for you to be following... things break.... and if you're using sid, you get to keep both pieces as you should be able to fix it yourself. Security updates are not always timely either so it's not great for machines that are publically accessible. |
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| 11:18.38 | Borbus | So.. how would I go about reverting every package back to etch... |
| 11:18.53 | Borbus | Thanks for your help so far btw. |
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| 11:20.50 | themill | Borbus: If it's feasible, the path of least resistance for you is a reinstall. |
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| 11:21.46 | Borbus | Is there an ETA for Lenny? :P |
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| 11:22.09 | themill | !when will lenny release |
| 11:22.09 | deriw | ok, i'm having an issue here, i've used apt-get to install gcc and libc but for some reason the libraries arent there |
| 11:22.09 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
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| 11:22.21 | deriw | anyone else have this issue? |
| 11:22.31 | deriw | and could anyone suggest a fix? |
| 11:22.34 | themill | !b-e deriw |
| 11:22.34 | dpkg | deriw: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 11:22.48 | themill | (at a random guess....) |
| 11:22.48 | deriw | hrmm |
| 11:23.15 | marc_2 | Hey guys, thanks its working a little better, im able to get most of the files included, but its gonna take some editing to get it working totally |
| 11:23.42 | themill | marc_2: editing of your code or editing of the include files that are under /usr/include? |
| 11:23.44 | deriw | themill, you own so hard.. its definatly what i needed |
| 11:23.46 | deriw | :) |
| 11:23.53 | marc_2 | but can you please explain why i didnt have to use the -I when g++ compiling when I installed the same program with a make file? |
| 11:24.13 | deriw | indeed, it was |
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| 11:24.27 | themill | Borbus: but if I had to take a stab, I'd be punting for another 12 months. Maybe 18. |
| 11:24.55 | marc_2 | i dont want to touch the files in /usr/included so ill have to dig into my own code |
| 11:25.02 | Borbus | Right... if it was just around the corner it might have been worth staying with undtable for a little while... |
| 11:25.03 | themill | marc_2: where were the include files then? and did the Makefile have the -I in it? |
| 11:25.13 | Borbus | Well I might have to ask my hosting company to reinstall again |
| 11:25.25 | Borbus | I'd like to try downgrading each package first though since I can't lose |
| 11:25.30 | Uranellus | hello, I'm trying to install debian arm on a linksys nslu2 but it keeps on failing with this error message: An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system. Kernel package: 'linux-image-2.6-ixp4xx'. In /var/log/syslog it states: |
| 11:25.50 | Uranellus | apt-install: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_arm.deb 404 Not Found -- though I've tried 3 different mirrors now .. what can I do ? |
| 11:26.03 | marc_2 | the files are in a similar place, in a sub directory tree in /usr/include. In not sure if the make file had -I in it |
| 11:26.42 | themill | marc_2: BTW you're right, you should never be touching things in /usr with the exception of /usr/local. The makefile will have had a -I in it... there's no other way g++ would have found the files. |
| 11:26.56 | marc_2 | when im talking about the make file im not talking about the program im trying to compile myself, im talking about the program that put the header files in the /usr/include dir in the first place |
| 11:27.10 | themill | Uranellus: I'd take a stab at you running an out of date kernel... -5- not -4- is current now. |
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| 11:28.10 | Uranellus | themill: but what can I do? this is a embedded thing w/o keyboard/mouse .. all I have is ssh to the installer and ssh to a shell |
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| 11:29.41 | themill | marc_2: then I'd say your approaching this the wrong way so you're asking the wrong questions... you should have a makefile for your project and it should do all the -I stuff for you. I'm not sure that you are yet comfortable with the C/C++ ethos. |
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| 11:30.34 | themill | Uranellus: you can upgrade your kernel over ssh. Your sources are pointing to etch and you have a security line in there, don't you? |
| 11:31.20 | mmc | is it expected that "apt-get update" does not download in the order of sources.list lines? |
| 11:31.36 | themill | Borbus: ok... I don't know how well this will work, but you can always try ;) |
| 11:31.51 | themill | Borbus: change your sources.list mentions of "stable" to "sarge" in sources.list. then aptitude update ; then run "aptitude", search for those packages, hit enter on them, select the sarge version. do the same for libc6. then search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" |
| 11:31.54 | marc_2 | i know i should probably do it that way, but my curiosity has got me wondering how the make file which put the header files in sub directories within /usr/include was able to allow g++ to automatically browse through those directory when searching for header files |
| 11:31.55 | themill | gah |
| 11:32.11 | themill | Borbus: change your sources.list back to etch. then aptitude update ; then run "aptitude", search for those packages, hit enter on them, select the sarge version. do the same for libc6. then search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" |
| 11:32.19 | Uranellus | themill: I think I can't update the kernel over ssh .. I had the linksys webinterface and uploaded a 4.0r0 installer firmware .. now I got the installer but nearly nothing else |
| 11:32.30 | themill | (I was editing some instructions from stew for yesterday ;) |
| 11:32.44 | marc_2 | could it have used a program like ldconfig? |
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| 11:34.10 | themill | marc_2: no, it probably just dumped things into /usr/include with a flatter directory structure. NFI what you were doing before. |
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| 11:35.39 | marc_2 | NFI? tone it down. lol. All I was doing was writing my code using #include <file.h> and the g++ was able to locate it, no need for -I or a make file. |
| 11:35.39 | ouba | hello |
| 11:35.45 | themill | Uranellus: I'm not familiar with the hardware you're using (heard of it and it sounds sweet though ;) You said you can ssh to a shell though... can you ssh to a shell and then apt-get update or aptitude update? |
| 11:36.11 | ouba | I would ask for advice on ldap / pam-ldap and TLS |
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| 11:36.20 | Uranellus | themill: don't have apt-get only got apt-install apt-setup(-verify) |
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| 11:36.25 | ouba | I have a configuration which works fine without TLS |
| 11:36.37 | Uranellus | themill: but I found a thread on the mailinglists archive .. I'll have a looka t taht |
| 11:36.40 | Uranellus | that* |
| 11:36.44 | themill | marc_2: the only way that g++ could have found that file then is if it were in it's standard search path which is /usr/include. |
| 11:36.45 | marc_2 | anyway I will keep playing with it, thanks for your help themill |
| 11:36.46 | ouba | but when I activate TLS with an home made certificate |
| 11:36.58 | ouba | (with a Root CA which sign a certificate) |
| 11:36.59 | themill | Uranellus: ok... good stuff... hope it works out :) |
| 11:37.03 | ouba | the response time is very slow |
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| 11:37.04 | marc_2 | can the standard search path be expanded? |
| 11:37.07 | themill | !tell ouba about enter |
| 11:37.22 | themill | marc_2: only using -I, AFAIK. |
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| 11:37.44 | ouba | themill, ok :) |
| 11:38.02 | orlandoj | how can I habilit the root to access the X ? |
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| 11:38.22 | marc_2 | alright, well thanks again. cheers |
| 11:38.37 | themill | marc_2: there's also an INCLUDE_PATH env variable |
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| 11:39.08 | themill | CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH, actually, it seems. |
| 11:39.57 | ouba | I would ask for advice on ldap / pam-ldap and TLS. I have a configuration which works fine without TLS, but when I activate TLS with an home made certificate on the libnss-ldap or pam_ldap (with a Root CA which sign a certificate) the response time is very slow. I made some trace, and it appears it tried one by one all certificates presents in /etc/ssl/certs (installed by package ca-certificates). It takes about 2 minutes, it seems |
| 11:39.57 | ouba | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.31 | themill | Borbus: how's that going? To continue: you'll have to fix all of those broken packages manually by hitting enter on them and specifically selecting the etch version (you will have to do this for any packages upgraded to sid). Once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 11:41.40 | Uranellus | themill: FYI: http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2007/09/msg00000.html |
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| 11:43.00 | orlandoj | how can I habilit the root to access the X ? |
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| 11:43.59 | ouba | I notice libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap are compiled against libgnutls, and slapd against openssl. And ldapsearch works fine with and without ca-certificates, and it is not the case of libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap |
| 11:44.38 | Ronin | orlandoj: you mean log onto x as root? theres no real need to do that |
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| 11:46.02 | orlandoj | Ronin, The professor in the lab woul'd like to access the X like root, because it was possible at past :( |
| 11:46.29 | themill | Uranellus: thanks. |
| 11:46.43 | themill | orlandoj: ahh... professors. always like the power trip |
| 11:46.50 | orlandoj | I know it is not necessary. |
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| 11:47.03 | ouba | nobody use ldap authentification with pam ? |
| 11:47.11 | Ronin | orlandoj: explain to them its not necessary and the risks involved? |
| 11:47.12 | themill | orlandoj: tell your professor to come in here and we'll re-educate her/him :) |
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| 11:47.41 | orlandoj | the su resolve it, but... :( |
| 11:48.04 | Ronin | orlandoj: tell them security updates prevent taht from happening now |
| 11:48.25 | hoxu | orlandoj, use sudo/gksu/whatever for the programs that require privileges? |
| 11:48.40 | orlandoj | Ronin, is there some site that explain that the root cannot access the X ? |
| 11:49.16 | orlandoj | to trust in the site will be easier than trust in my word... |
| 11:49.19 | orlandoj | :) |
| 11:49.52 | themill | orlandoj: BTW make sure you have set up sux or gksu for anything that actually requires it to "ease the pain"... |
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| 11:51.35 | Ronin | orlandoj: its a really short blurb but: http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Logging_in_as_root_with_kdm |
| 11:51.43 | Ronin | yes i know it says suse :) |
| 11:52.09 | themill | unfortunately, it tells you how to get around it... not such a good reference. |
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| 11:52.17 | Ronin | themill: true |
| 11:52.20 | hoxu | heh |
| 11:52.21 | themill | it would be better to say that it's not possible any more ;) |
| 11:52.31 | Ronin | i used to have one that explained why you shouldnt do that but damned if i can find it now |
| 11:52.53 | Ronin | i still like my idea of saying security updates have been applied that prevent root from logging onto x |
| 11:52.53 | hoxu | orlandoj, thread about X root login being bad idea here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=350382 |
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| 11:53.23 | orlandoj | thanks a lot ! |
| 11:53.39 | hoxu | orlandoj, but, you might want to print it out and cut out the part about telling how to enable it anyway ;) |
| 11:53.50 | orlandoj | I'll explain to him that what he like is not security. |
| 11:54.06 | hoxu | good luck :) |
| 11:54.21 | orlandoj | hoxu, thanks a lot ! |
| 11:54.52 | themill | does the securing debian manual have somehting official sounding? |
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| 11:56.37 | themill | even the RHL7.3 release notes tell you not to: Because your Red Hat Linux system creates the root account during installation, some new users are tempted to use only this account for all their activities. This is a bad idea. Since the root account is allowed to do anything on the system, you can easily damage your system by accidentally deleting or modifying sensitive system files. |
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| 11:59.21 | themill | orlandoj: if it helps, one of the guys here was following some instructions on a solaris instrument computer and typed "rm -rf / opt/bruker" instead of "rm -rf /opt/bruker". It was only one space different.... |
| 11:59.39 | sine | loooooool |
| 11:59.55 | sine | lies |
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| 12:00.04 | themill | 2 years later, everythin is *still* not fully recovered. |
| 12:00.13 | themill | sine: no, quite true. |
| 12:00.16 | sine | hehe |
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| 12:00.48 | themill | (don't ask about backups) |
| 12:01.00 | sine | i couldnt pick up any internet last night whislt going to sleep and so i went through the bin folder man'ing the programs in there nu looks like a cool tool !!! |
| 12:01.30 | themill | sine: you need to come up with other things to do when you can't get pr0n |
| 12:01.36 | orlandoj | themill, ops, It was not security :) |
| 12:01.47 | sine | pron bores me nerd stuff wets my whistle |
| 12:02.03 | themill | sime: tmi |
| 12:02.15 | sine | ? |
| 12:02.24 | orlandoj | themill, I am writing an e-mail explain to the professor the risks to allow access to root. |
| 12:02.50 | orlandoj | and i will use this example, ok ? |
| 12:03.09 | themill | orlandoj: of course. (you'll obviously not identify the organisation etc ;) |
| 12:03.10 | sine | what is this acronym tmi ive never seen |
| 12:03.39 | themill | !tmi |
| 12:03.39 | dpkg | methinks tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 12:03.46 | sine | heh |
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| 12:05.04 | themill | orlandoj: If you want to pastebin it and have other people read over it, feel free. (or on #debian-br) |
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| 12:06.20 | Borbus | themill, sorry I had to go afk for a while |
| 12:06.29 | Borbus | Now reading your previous messages... |
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| 12:06.45 | themill | Borbus: that's fine. |
| 12:07.10 | orlandoj | i'll return in 10 minutes. |
| 12:07.15 | Borbus | sarge is older than etch? |
| 12:07.23 | themill | Borbus: for a summary of what you need to do, /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 12:07.33 | themill | Borbus: yes, sarge was the release prior to etch |
| 12:08.05 | themill | Borbus: you don't want to go there... that was a misfire on my part. Read the one after it. |
| 12:08.06 | Borbus | Ok.. I have no stable in my source.list, should I change etch to sarge? |
| 12:08.13 | themill | no... |
| 12:08.33 | themill | just use etch and etch/updates (you should have a security line too) |
| 12:09.00 | Borbus | Right, ok, so disregard what you said about sarge, change my sources.list back to etch |
| 12:09.08 | themill | yes |
| 12:09.33 | Borbus | And by those packages you mean every package that got updated? |
| 12:09.38 | themill | yep |
| 12:09.41 | Borbus | Right |
| 12:10.06 | themill | if you're lucky, just changing libc6 will cause them all to be broken. |
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| 12:13.02 | Borbus | So should I try searching for libc6 first? |
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| 12:14.06 | themill | Borbus: if you don't have a list of all the packages that were upgraded, then yes, try that. |
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| 12:14.56 | Borbus | I do have a list.. but it's not exactly handy being in the dpkg.log |
| 12:15.27 | Borbus | http://pastebin.com/m4f1b445 |
| 12:15.28 | sander_23 | hello, logrotate will always put the ouput for a log file like , example.log.1.gz or so , but is it possible to change the ouput like example-$date.log.1.gz ? |
| 12:15.30 | Borbus | Lots.. |
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| 12:17.04 | mattschofield | Hello :) |
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| 12:17.07 | themill | Borbus: you could run that through a script to tidy it up: grep installed | cut -f5 -d\ should work (there's a space after the \) |
| 12:17.29 | \amethyst | sander_23: if you add "dateext" to logrotate.conf, that will name them example.log.$date.gz |
| 12:18.04 | themill | Borbus: add sort -u to the end of that pipeline too :) |
| 12:18.11 | sander_23 | \amethyst thanks , saves me time to write an exteral shell script :) |
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| 12:19.06 | themill | Borbus: there are 236 packages... that wil be fun! http://pastebin.com/m5817c035 |
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| 12:19.31 | Daveman | wiiiifiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 12:19.37 | Borbus | Thanks |
| 12:19.55 | Borbus | Could it be done with a shell script? |
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| 12:22.29 | themill | Borbus: that should be possible. aptitude has excellent scripting capabilities, but my aptitude-fu is quite limited. |
| 12:22.37 | themill | !tell Borbus about aptitude-fu |
| 12:22.51 | Borbus | Hmm.. |
| 12:23.13 | themill | it's possible you might be able to just force a reinstall of those packages |
| 12:23.20 | Borbus | So basically I have to switch each of those 235 packages to sarge.. then fix the broken ones by upgrading to etch? |
| 12:23.36 | Borbus | Or just upgrade everythign to etch? |
| 12:23.37 | themill | !tell debiantonio about away |
| 12:23.49 | sine | ok how can i set it so that debian doesnt load x and when i boot up its just a normal terminal log in screen |
| 12:23.54 | themill | Borbus: no, switch them to etch not sarge |
| 12:24.01 | sine | i just want to run irssi and links from terminal sometimes |
| 12:24.07 | jetscreamer | sine i told you how |
| 12:24.12 | jetscreamer | last night |
| 12:24.20 | sine | by removing all the files ! |
| 12:24.22 | jetscreamer | no |
| 12:24.25 | sine | i still want to be able to load it up |
| 12:24.33 | Borbus | Oh yes.. then after libc6 is switched to etch, search for broken and choose etch.. |
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| 12:24.45 | themill | Borbus: yes |
| 12:24.57 | Borbus | So should I do libc6 at the start or end? |
| 12:24.58 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager ... back it up first, then empty it out. when you want it to start up again, cp the backup back |
| 12:25.00 | sine | my head was full last night |
| 12:25.30 | jetscreamer | you can also chmod -x /etc/init.d/?dm |
| 12:26.04 | themill | sine: Or as a slightly more hacky way, you can remove the rc2.d/kdm link and start kdm with invoke-rc.d kdm (s/kdm/gdm/ or xdm as appropriate) |
| 12:26.25 | jetscreamer | ooo i like that one |
| 12:26.32 | sine | gdm |
| 12:26.49 | sine | invoke-rc.d kdm |
| 12:27.35 | jetscreamer | substitute a g for the k |
| 12:27.39 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 12:27.42 | themill | sine: changing the S??gdm link to K??gdm would be even nicer than removing it entirely |
| 12:27.59 | themill | that will stop it reappearing on updates |
| 12:28.10 | jetscreamer | chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm is easiest |
| 12:28.12 | sine | ./etc/rc2/s21gdm |
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| 12:28.20 | themill | Borbus: ummm.... we're learning this together here... can't say I've ever done it ;) |
| 12:28.31 | themill | jetscreamer: but then you'd not be able to invoke-rc.d would you? |
| 12:28.38 | Borbus | Heh |
| 12:28.41 | sine | you mean rename it so it doesnt load but that i can load it manually |
| 12:29.01 | jetscreamer | themill: still less typing to chmod +x it... just hit up arrow :) |
| 12:29.01 | Borbus | Any idea how to do the force reinstall of all packages.. I might just try that and if it doesn't work get my host to reinstall |
| 12:29.10 | themill | :) |
| 12:29.11 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 12:29.11 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 12:29.25 | Borbus | They gave me the wrong root password so I didn't have access to my box for 24 hours.. so I won't feel guilty getting them to do it again ;) |
| 12:29.32 | hoxu | sine, also see update-rc.d if you want to mess up with what programs start at which runlevels |
| 12:29.40 | jetscreamer | the first is for in place, the second is for different installations |
| 12:29.49 | themill | jetscreamer: will that reinstall factoid get apt-get to downgrade packages though? (not that we're expecting that to work) |
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| 12:30.21 | jetscreamer | i missed the downgrade part... think i /joined after that |
| 12:30.43 | bushblows | statusbar |
| 12:31.02 | bushblows | statusbar |
| 12:31.06 | themill | jetscreamer: if the sources.list has been changed, and you ask for a reinstall, I can't remember if apt will bork or do it for you |
| 12:31.28 | themill | bushblows: do you have a debian-related question that we can help you with? |
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| 12:32.42 | bushblows | no sorry, that was a bad side effect from a script, nm me. |
| 12:32.46 | jetscreamer | no idea... you can try. |
| 12:33.09 | Daveman | blah |
| 12:33.13 | jetscreamer | apparently, cant hurt :) |
| 12:34.14 | themill | jetscreamer: yeah.... it's either try a downgrade or request a reinstall at this stage :) |
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| 12:36.28 | ma3x | what channel should I set my wlan to? |
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| 12:36.45 | Borbus | Is there a way to force apt to just get every package from the repos again..? |
| 12:36.53 | themill | ma3x: auto is normally the best way |
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| 12:37.04 | ma3x | themill, linux doesn't detect it |
| 12:37.07 | themill | Borbus: apt-get clean |
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| 12:37.41 | Borbus | But if I did that using the etch repos.. and I have unstable installed.. would it bork? |
| 12:38.01 | themill | Borbus: apt-get clean will empty apt's package cache. |
| 12:38.45 | ma3x | themill, it detected it now |
| 12:38.46 | Borbus | Will that help? |
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| 12:38.51 | themill | ma3x: then you can set the channel manually at each end. iwconfig is the thing to use for that under linux. Are you sure you need to be doing this? |
| 12:39.05 | themill | ma3x: ok |
| 12:39.08 | ma3x | themill, do you know how can I specify wpa (wep key) in /etc/network/interfaces? (I am using the rt2500 module) |
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| 12:40.05 | jetscreamer | you have sid and need etch? reinstall |
| 12:40.17 | jetscreamer | sid to lenny is doable |
| 12:40.26 | Borbus | Yeah.. I'm trying to avoid that though |
| 12:40.33 | Borbus | It's a remote box |
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| 12:41.13 | themill | ma3x: yes: wireless-essid etc. man 7 wireless (the values for <function> are the commands to iwconfig) |
| 12:41.18 | Glamour | hey, can any1 help me out? i've installed today a Debian linux and it gives me error's when i'm trying to do smth with KDE. i've put some screenshots here http://deep-dream.jino-net.ru/pack .. if u know what to do - private msg me, please!! |
| 12:41.28 | testergg | riz: thanks sorry I lost connectivity - thanks for your suggestion have a good lunch |
| 12:41.40 | themill | Borbus: as I said, it's unlikely to work... but if you want to try, that's what you can do... |
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| 12:41.53 | riz | testergg ehe no problem. I'm back from lunch :) |
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| 12:42.10 | Borbus | So apt-get clean and then what? |
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| 12:42.17 | ma3x | themill, it detects the wifi in the scanning, but then it doesn't receive dhcp. why not? I've disabled and removed the wpa key |
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| 12:43.22 | testergg | riz: that worked, I was trying to migrate a etch (upgraded from sarge) single disk /dev/hda to a mirror I tried the howto on howtoforge but when I boot it gives me a kernel panic and says it can't find /dev/console is there another howto that might be better? |
| 12:43.33 | Glamour | hey, can any1 help me out? i've installed today a Debian linux and it gives me error's when i'm trying to do smth with KDE. i've put some screenshots here http://deep-dream.jino-net.ru/pack .. if u know what to do - private msg me, please!! |
| 12:44.02 | jetscreamer | smth ? |
| 12:44.13 | jetscreamer | private msg you? i don't want sex! |
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| 12:44.45 | Borbus | apt-get clean and then apt-get install all of those packages..? |
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| 12:44.54 | jetscreamer | god i ran him off... |
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| 12:45.08 | jetscreamer | Borbus: use the bot's command? |
| 12:45.15 | jetscreamer | the reinstall factoid? |
| 12:45.23 | jetscreamer | or did i miss something |
| 12:45.38 | Borbus | I don't think that would work if I'm using a remote box |
| 12:45.40 | riz | testergg mmm... I'm thinking... |
| 12:45.46 | themill | Borbus: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
| 12:45.46 | jetscreamer | it should |
| 12:45.50 | jetscreamer | yeah that one |
| 12:46.00 | jetscreamer | it's a two part factoid |
| 12:46.16 | Borbus | So if I run that it might reinstall every package from etch repos? |
| 12:46.18 | jetscreamer | the first, that one, is for in-place reinstall |
| 12:46.20 | riz | testergg do you phisically moved the disk to storage ? |
| 12:46.32 | jetscreamer | it will, not might... might bork, but it 'will' try |
| 12:46.42 | Borbus | Ok.. |
| 12:46.52 | Borbus | If it does then I'll get it properly reinstalled |
| 12:47.08 | Borbus | What is COLUMNS=200 for? |
| 12:47.33 | Borbus | Does that resize the terminal? |
| 12:47.47 | FastPutty | someone know how can i set my ip in the client VPN side, i receive 10.0.0.6 ptp 10.0.0.5 and my server indicate 10.0.0.1 / ptp = 10.0.0.2 |
| 12:47.49 | themill | Borbus: compare the output of COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l and dpkg -l |
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| 12:47.59 | FastPutty | what wrong i can ping 10.0.0.1 but cannot ping myself 10.0.0.6 |
| 12:48.28 | themill | Borbus: it overrides the output formatting from dpkg -l so that it's machine-readable and not truncated to fit on your narrow terminal |
| 12:48.37 | Borbus | Ahh |
| 12:48.41 | Borbus | Oh yeah |
| 12:48.43 | Borbus | Because it is piped |
| 12:48.58 | Borbus | Ok.. I'll just try that then.. |
| 12:49.12 | \amethyst | But doesn't piping it make COLUMNS=200 unnecesary? |
| 12:49.17 | Borbus | It's going.. |
| 12:49.30 | Borbus | Couldn't configure pre-depend perlapi-5.8.7 for liblocale-gettext-perl, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 12:49.34 | Borbus | Guess that means it borked |
| 12:49.38 | hoxu | \amethyst, the problem with dpkg -l is that it will truncate the names to make them fit... |
| 12:49.40 | testergg | riz: not sure I understand, I just want to add another disk and have it mirror /dev/hda |
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| 12:49.58 | \amethyst | hoxu: try dpkg -l | cat |
| 12:50.13 | jetscreamer | testergg: i find it easiest to boot a live cd and just cp -a the target to the source |
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| 12:50.38 | jetscreamer | Borbus: yeah :/ |
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| 12:50.50 | hoxu | \amethyst, nice... insert a rant about intelligent programs and good old times here ;) |
| 12:51.23 | themill | \amethyst: should do.... (seems to) ... perhaps it used not to... |
| 12:51.34 | testergg | jetscreamer: copying is not the problem, when I made the changes indicated to the /etc/fstab and rebooted I got a kernel panic saying it couldn't find /dev/console I think it's an issue with udev but I don't know |
| 12:51.35 | \amethyst | themill: that's a possibility |
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| 12:51.38 | Borbus | Ok.. I'll ask for a reinstall asap |
| 12:52.03 | Borbus | Thanks a lot for your help themill and jetscreamer |
| 12:52.18 | themill | Borbus: np,... good luck.. and don't change from etch next time ;) |
| 12:52.18 | jetscreamer | testergg: if you cp from livecd, and edit fstab & menu.lst correctly, it works. |
| 12:52.28 | Borbus | Yeah.. silly me |
| 12:52.36 | Borbus | I should have compiled rtorrent anyway |
| 12:52.40 | Borbus | Oh well |
| 12:52.53 | jetscreamer | you could just run testing till they reinstall it for you borbus |
| 12:53.00 | jetscreamer | unless it's a production server |
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| 12:53.09 | riz | testergg ah right. Do you have already read this article ? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 12:53.11 | hoxu | shouldn't output from iptables -j LOG turn up in /var/log/syslog? |
| 12:53.12 | Borbus | Nah they sould reinstall it quickly |
| 12:53.14 | coldsteal | hello, im just wondering if there is an easy way to check/make a list of the apps i installed with apt |
| 12:53.23 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 12:53.32 | jetscreamer | !tell coldsteal -about reinstall |
| 12:53.39 | jetscreamer | the second portion, coldsteal |
| 12:53.49 | testergg | riz: yes that's the one that I read and tried to do |
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| 12:53.54 | themill | !tell coldsteal about aptitude-fu |
| 12:53.56 | \amethyst | hoxu: that depends on your syslog config and the log level/log prefix you used |
| 12:54.01 | jetscreamer | coldsteal: if you use aptitude you get a log |
| 12:54.04 | FastPutty | i tried to ping a ip and get this message ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 12:54.07 | FastPutty | what does tat mean |
| 12:54.11 | coldsteal | thanks |
| 12:54.13 | themill | coldsteal: there are some other goodies in aptitude that you might like too if you've been using it. |
| 12:54.17 | dimsuz | dpkg: e1000 |
| 12:54.17 | dpkg | i guess e1000 is the Intel PRO/1000 driver, found at http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/download.asp?url=/2897/eng/e1000-5.2.22.tar.gz, or in later 2.4 kernels and 2.6 kernels |
| 12:54.18 | \amethyst | FastPutty: you can't use that ping as non-root |
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| 12:54.29 | dimsuz | dpkg: e1000 debian |
| 12:54.37 | coldsteal | themill: yeah i have been using apt-get |
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| 12:55.00 | \amethyst | FastPutty: the ping from inetutils-ping is setuid |
| 12:55.07 | dimsuz | ok. guys anyone know where can I get e1000 kernel package for etch? |
| 12:55.15 | helpless | hello there! I tried to > m-a a-i fglrx-kernel-src , but when i do so it gives me a lot of http://cpp.tastethepaste.org/161 . Any ideas whats missing in my system to correctly build it? thanks in advance ! |
| 12:55.40 | themill | dimsuz: it's in all etch kernels already |
| 12:55.51 | themill | dimsuz: modprobe e1000 ;) |
| 12:55.55 | hark | helpless: m-a a-i fglrx |
| 12:56.00 | riz | testergg: not sure, but probabily the best way is to use lvm |
| 12:56.03 | hoxu | \amethyst, default log level, so I guess it's my syslog config, happen to know how to check what changes have been done to it? |
| 12:56.28 | dimsuz | themill: then why does it fail to detect my ethernet card while installing debian 4.0r1? :) |
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| 12:56.39 | Borbus | There was one other thing I wanted to ask... Before I switched to unstable I did apt-get upgrade and for some reason it switched my 686 kernel to the same version 486 kernel |
| 12:56.41 | coldsteal | does dpkg --get-selections so evrything thats installed on the system, i want to ony know what i installed |
| 12:56.44 | Borbus | Any idea why..? |
| 12:56.59 | themill | coldsteal: that's why you should have used aptitude ;) |
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| 12:57.33 | coldsteal | where would the log be for atpituse i think i used it some times |
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| 12:57.47 | hoxu | !tell coldsteal about installed packages |
| 12:58.25 | themill | Borbus: if couldn't and shouldn't unless you specifically asked it to |
| 12:58.29 | themill | *it |
| 12:58.40 | Borbus | Strange.. it definitely did |
| 12:58.42 | raz0_ | Hm. If I've installed debian before and setup a encrypted root filesystem on LVN, how do I reinstall debian preserving my files? |
| 12:58.51 | Borbus | And it even said the kernel was the same version that was already installed |
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| 12:59.05 | testergg | riz didn't really want to use lvm - never used it before, just thought simple mirroring would be fine |
| 12:59.08 | coldsteal | lol im just going to make a list of what i use everyday lol |
| 12:59.20 | themill | dimsuz: not sure. You're some way though the install and it's complaining that it can't find a network? |
| 12:59.29 | testergg | riz: normally when I do a fresh install everything is magic and works no problem, but converting seems more complicated |
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| 12:59.54 | jackle | I have just inserted a network cable into a NIC but "ip a", "ifconfig" shows nothing new.. Any way that I could try to detect this? |
| 13:00.05 | jetscreamer | Borbus: the kernel does not get upgraded by dist-upgrade (cept security updates for that kernel version) |
| 13:00.06 | bullgard4 | Is the term 'super key' used in X only, or is the term 'super key' used in other areas of Unix/Linux also? |
| 13:00.30 | Borbus | I didn't do dist-upgrade, just upgrade |
| 13:00.33 | Wyzard | Bulldog: The Meta/Super/Hyper modifiers only exist in X, afaik |
| 13:00.34 | themill | bullgard4: you'll get the same answer that you did 5 hours ago... |
| 13:00.41 | Wyzard | oops, bullgard4 ^^ |
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| 13:00.54 | themill | Hi abrotman! |
| 13:01.06 | jetscreamer | Borbus: either. you have to specifically say' upgrade to this kernel' so my point is yes the kernel version is still the same |
| 13:01.20 | hoxu | jackle, do you mean how to detect if a network cable is attached to a NIC or how to get the interface up? :p |
| 13:01.26 | abrotman | hi |
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| 13:01.39 | riz | testergg ok. Do you have migrated from etch to ? |
| 13:01.42 | jetscreamer | !wb abrotman |
| 13:01.42 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 13:01.58 | themill | jackle: are you wanting to detect the cable plugin? or see if the network is configured? |
| 13:02.01 | testergg | riz: it should be etch is there a way to check |
| 13:02.14 | themill | hoxu: snap |
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| 13:02.35 | riz | testergg cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:02.56 | testergg | riz: 4.0 |
| 13:02.57 | dimsuz | themill: exactly. btw, modprobe e1000 works fine on this machine's ubuntu. |
| 13:03.54 | themill | dimsuz: can you change to another vt (Alt+F2) and modprobe e1000 and then try the network detection again? |
| 13:04.12 | riz | testergg 4.0 is sarge.. |
| 13:04.14 | testergg | riz: when I do a mount /dev/sda1 /disk2 I get mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /disk2/ busy |
| 13:04.19 | abrotman | Riz: no it's not |
| 13:04.21 | themill | dimsuz: or just let the installer complete without network and then come back and fix it later. |
| 13:04.30 | themill | riz: 3.1==sarge, 4.0==etch |
| 13:04.30 | testergg | riz: I thought 4.0 is etch |
| 13:04.32 | riz | abrotman sorry |
| 13:04.41 | hoxu | how do I replace /etc/syslog.conf with the original one (or see the changes)? |
| 13:04.47 | dimsuz | themill: well I did run "shell" from the installer and typed "modprobe e1000". no output. and dmesg is silent too |
| 13:04.54 | riz | testergg sorry too. My mistake. etch is 4.0 |
| 13:04.59 | themill | !tell hoxu about confmiss |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | hoxu: you could get the .deb and extract manually and do a diff |
| 13:05.09 | riz | sorry guys :-( |
| 13:05.11 | testergg | riz: no need to apologize I appreciate the help |
| 13:05.33 | testergg | riz: I don't understand why I can't mound /dev/sda1 |
| 13:05.34 | themill | riz: no worries... everyone appreciates anyone who is helping ;) |
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| 13:06.01 | themill | dimsuz: you had a prompt etc. a successful modprobe produces no output. |
| 13:06.03 | hoxu | themill, more trivial commands to remember, thanks (abrotman too) ;) |
| 13:06.11 | helpless | hark now he first gets an package, and afterwards he tries again to build kernel-src and same problems |
| 13:06.37 | dimsuz | themill: well, it should've said something about eth0 detection in dmesg output I guess... :) |
| 13:06.39 | themill | hoxu: looking inside the deb file might be easiest though. mc can do that with a text-mode (curses) interface if you like. |
| 13:06.49 | riz | testergg: Could you please paste your /etc/fstab and the output of "mount" command somewhere ? |
| 13:06.55 | themill | dimsuz: yes, it should. What does ifconfig -a show you? |
| 13:06.58 | dimsuz | themill: anyway installer still didn't fount ethernet card |
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| 13:07.10 | dimsuz | themill: don't know - already rebooted :) |
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| 13:07.35 | Borbus | Ok.. my host should be putting etch back on... I don't think it takes them long because they just do it from image |
| 13:08.28 | helpless | hark maybe cause i compiled the kernel without the headers?....... |
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| 13:10.40 | dimsuz | themill: in case "ifconfig -a" shows nothing, what should do then? |
| 13:10.40 | testergg | riz: can you remind me a pastebin? |
| 13:10.43 | hoxu | hmm, I have a fresh syslog.conf now, but I still can't see messages from iptables -j LOG, any ideas? |
| 13:10.44 | yggdrasil | jetscreamer are you around ? |
| 13:10.51 | themill | !tell testergg about paste |
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| 13:11.10 | themill | hoxu: nothing to log? |
| 13:11.12 | jetscreamer | !tell yggdrasil -about ask |
| 13:11.13 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 13:11.24 | riz | testergg for sure. http://www.pastebin.org |
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| 13:12.26 | hoxu | themill, not the case here as the counters for the log rule get incremented |
| 13:12.32 | yggdrasil | well i trying to run fldigi under etch and i keep getting No such file or directory </dev/dsp> |
| 13:12.35 | themill | dimsuz: the easiest thing might be to let the installer complete without any network and fix it up after. |
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| 13:12.53 | themill | hoxu: just checking ;) You'd be amazed how often that's the problem... |
| 13:13.09 | aspWork | is it a good idea to add truetype fonts to debian, and if so, how would one do that. i kinda miss verdana (or atleast some of the websites i visit do) |
| 13:13.12 | hoxu | yeah, it's a good idea to try the simplest things first :) |
| 13:13.13 | themill | hoxu: it's not being logged to VT1 instead of to syslog is it? |
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| 13:13.33 | hoxu | argh, indeed it is, how do I fix that? |
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| 13:14.03 | dimsuz | themill: how? :) if I don't have network and doing netinst |
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| 13:14.29 | testergg | riz: http://www.pastebin.org/3531 |
| 13:14.43 | sine | i miss lucida console |
| 13:14.45 | themill | aspWork: msttcorefonts ttf-dejavu ttf-bitstream-vera are all reasonable packages. |
| 13:14.47 | jetscreamer | msftcorefonts or mscorefonts |
| 13:14.50 | jetscreamer | ah there it is |
| 13:14.59 | aspWork | themill, install the all of choose one? |
| 13:15.16 | themill | aspWork: I have them all and some besides. apt-cache search ttf|grep font |
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| 13:15.19 | jetscreamer | msttcorefonts will give you arial verdana times et al |
| 13:15.33 | aspWork | ok, then just restart iceveasel? |
| 13:15.37 | yggdrasil | jetscreamer lsmod | grep -u oss was suggested yesterday and i have no oss module loaded |
| 13:15.56 | themill | aspWork: not even sure if a restart is needed... probably is. |
| 13:15.57 | riz | testergg: Could you please paste the output of "mount" command also? |
| 13:16.27 | jetscreamer | yggdrasil: use modconf to find and load modules (and have them added to /etc/modules at the same time) or just modprobe snd_pcm_oss and put that name in /etc/modules |
| 13:16.28 | themill | dimsuz: thanks... I really should do some work though, shouldn't I???? |
| 13:16.43 | dimsuz | themill: you know better ;) |
| 13:16.47 | jetscreamer | yggdrasil: that was grep -i not grep -u |
| 13:16.51 | testergg | riz: http://www.pastebin.org/3532 |
| 13:16.54 | aspWork | restart did it, thnx |
| 13:16.57 | yggdrasil | ok gotcha |
| 13:16.59 | yggdrasil | -i |
| 13:17.02 | yggdrasil | indeed |
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| 13:17.06 | jetscreamer | case insensitive |
| 13:17.09 | yggdrasil | jetscreamer thanks that got it .. i think |
| 13:17.22 | jetscreamer | there is also an alsa-oss package |
| 13:17.26 | abrotman | testergg: anything look suspicious in /etc/mtab ? |
| 13:17.26 | jetscreamer | !find alsa-oss |
| 13:17.29 | themill | dimsuz: the netinst will give you a completely working system, just a fairly bare one. Once you get your network card sorted, then you can just run tasksel or pull packages with aptitude. |
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| 13:17.41 | abrotman | testergg: or is there anything in /disk2/ ? |
| 13:17.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsa-oss' (1): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/alsa-oss) in sound/alsa-oss. |
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| 13:18.02 | riz | testergg so you haven't nothing mounted in /disk2 ..Do you have fuser or lsof installed ? |
| 13:18.07 | jetscreamer | !info alsa-oss |
| 13:18.17 | dimsuz | themill: well, i'm not sure how I get it working. but... better try then speak here all evening :) |
| 13:18.31 | dimsuz | themill: thanks for inspiration ;) |
| 13:18.56 | dpkg | alsa-oss: (ALSA wrapper for OSS applications), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 13:19.32 | testergg | riz: abrotman: nothing special |
| 13:19.44 | testergg | arotman: I just created /disk2 |
| 13:19.47 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 13:19.47 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 |
| 13:20.11 | testergg | riz: I have fuser and lsof what do I do? |
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| 13:20.35 | testergg | riz: abrotman: nothing special in /etc/mtab |
| 13:20.38 | Stalwart | zomg, 800 ppl o.O |
| 13:21.00 | jetscreamer | used to be bigger before the oftc |
| 13:21.04 | sine | would i be able to repartition my main partition smaller without fucking my system up, i know on windows this was a definate asking for trouble scenario |
| 13:21.12 | Stalwart | jetscreamer, what's up with oftc? |
| 13:21.14 | abrotman | testergg: fuser /disk2/ |
| 13:21.18 | jetscreamer | !oftc |
| 13:21.19 | dpkg | methinks oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 13:21.20 | abrotman | or lsof | grep disk2 |
| 13:21.23 | jetscreamer | err |
| 13:21.29 | jetscreamer | !debian.org |
| 13:21.37 | sine | !stfu |
| 13:21.38 | dpkg | hmm... stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 13:21.43 | Stalwart | :D |
| 13:21.44 | jetscreamer | gah.. they moved the 'official' channel to oftc |
| 13:21.59 | jetscreamer | this channel is a fake |
| 13:22.00 | Heavy-D | Anybody here knowledgeable in Squid? I could use some assistance if anybody has the time |
| 13:22.09 | Stalwart | but on oftc there are less people |
| 13:22.19 | jetscreamer | but it's 'official' :) |
| 13:22.31 | testergg | abrotman: fuser /disk2/ returned nothing |
| 13:22.33 | Stalwart | ah |
| 13:22.44 | jetscreamer | nothing like moving your bar to kill your clientbase |
| 13:22.51 | Stalwart | does debian have some update notifier for kde? |
| 13:22.51 | riz | testergg fuser -m /disk2 |
| 13:22.55 | jetscreamer | bar as in nightclub |
| 13:23.06 | jetscreamer | adept i think |
| 13:23.08 | themill | !tell Heavy-D about ask |
| 13:23.16 | jetscreamer | adept i think, Stalwart |
| 13:23.35 | Stalwart | i'm still on archlinux, but now seriously think about switching to lenny |
| 13:23.39 | testergg | riz: http://www.pastebin.org/3533 |
| 13:24.41 | riz | testergg mm right. Is possible to kill everything referred to /disk2 ? |
| 13:25.07 | Heavy-D | I have a problem with Squid on Etch. We're using it with AD authentication and everything seems to work ok for basic web browsing, but when we try to browse to specific sites it gives you an authentication prompt. Even if you type in the correct credentials it still doesn't let you browse it. What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:25.24 | riz | testergg if yes, try to kill with fuser -k /disk2 and try to re-mount the disk |
| 13:25.48 | testergg | riz: I just created /hd2 and I get the same thing I can't mound /dev/sda1 it doesn't seem to be disk2 |
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| 13:26.21 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l |
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| 13:26.43 | sine | linux is great apart there being no retro games |
| 13:26.49 | _prsr_ | Heavy-D, does squid mention anything in the logs? |
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| 13:27.20 | riz | testergg, yes paste fdisk -l |
| 13:27.22 | _prsr_ | sine, plenty of emulators with thousands of games work fine though |
| 13:27.23 | DustyBin | sine: xmame? |
| 13:27.24 | Heavy-D | _prsr_: you meaning the access log? |
| 13:27.35 | jackle | Ok, lets try again. I have a locked-down router with 5 eth ports. I can take any port but have to configure the pc with a static ip (no dhcp). However the pc I'm connecting with has 10 NIC's ... How can I detect in which NIC I have inserted the network cable? |
| 13:27.36 | Heavy-D | (sorry) fairly new to squid |
| 13:27.48 | themill | sine: what do you mean by retro game? pacman? |
| 13:28.02 | _prsr_ | yea, i'm not very well versed in squid either, but if authentication is not working it should be logged somewhere |
| 13:28.25 | sine | no i mean old games. i dont like these new graphics one im on about age of wonders 2, red alert, syndicate |
| 13:28.28 | testergg | riz: http://www.pastebin.org/3536 |
| 13:28.41 | DustyBin | do users on a small home LAN benefit from squid? |
| 13:28.42 | sine | i like the old dos classics |
| 13:28.50 | sine | doom |
| 13:28.52 | sine | heh |
| 13:29.00 | petemc | sine: there are plenty of ways to play old dos games |
| 13:29.14 | testergg | riz: it seems like /dev/sda1 is part of /dev/md0 maybe? |
| 13:29.17 | sine | ive just had a thought i could repartition and make a small fat16 drive with dos right ? |
| 13:29.20 | _prsr_ | depends on your connection to the outside really DustyBin |
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| 13:29.29 | sine | like a real dos environment to play games in |
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| 13:30.02 | petemc | sine: you could use qemu or bochs |
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| 13:30.21 | ma3x | iwconfig is crazy |
| 13:30.35 | riz | testergg yes..but I think it's normal because you using raid |
| 13:30.41 | ma3x | if you set iwconfig eth1 key s:00000 it gives something crazy |
| 13:30.41 | sine | are tehy dos emulator |
| 13:30.51 | themill | sine: pacman *is* an old game... ;) |
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| 13:31.13 | ma3x | Encryption key:3030-3030-30 |
| 13:31.27 | testergg | riz: raid is not really active I feel like I am half way through the process but not sure exactly where /dev/hda1 is my real hd and /dev/sda1 is in the /dev/md0 |
| 13:32.03 | en1gma | morning all |
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| 13:34.48 | riz | testergg I'm not very skilled with raid configuration, but you can check here: http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-degraded-etch.html |
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| 13:38.07 | riz | testergg anyway, if you get a "kernel panic" error during the boot probabily there isn't some necessary options in kernel config. Do you use a debian kernel or you compiled it manually ? |
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| 13:38.24 | riz | s/necessary/mandatory :) |
| 13:38.35 | en1gma | i already formatted and installed syslinux to my 1gig usb stick. i put the files from this site http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ on the usb stick. here is the syslinux.cfg i also added to the usb stick http://pastebin.ca/717206 |
| 13:39.04 | testergg | riz: debian kernel |
| 13:39.11 | en1gma | can someone tell me why i dont see the debian main menu install...all i see is one line of info come up with a prompt waiting for input |
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| 13:39.32 | en1gma | i have typed in "vmlinuz" and it starts to boot but i then get a kernel panic |
| 13:39.57 | en1gma | so if someone would look over the info above and see if they can see something i need to do i would appreciate it |
| 13:40.11 | riz | testergg usually the debian kernel has many many options enable (for generic pourposal) |
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| 13:41.37 | jetscreamer | en1gma: i dunno but don't you have to type vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro or something? |
| 13:41.53 | jetscreamer | that's how it works in grub |
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| 13:42.25 | plb_ | hm anyone having issues with iceweasel in unstable..everytime I try to bookmark something it freezes |
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| 13:43.00 | themill | en1gma: shouldn't you be typing something that's in the .cfg file? vmlinuz isn't in there |
| 13:43.08 | Ethan | Hi |
| 13:43.14 | en1gma | jetscreamer to tell the truth i never done a debian install this way before so im not sure...and the guide i am following dont say nothing about that http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en <<< guide |
| 13:43.33 | en1gma | oh let me look over cfg file 1 sec |
| 13:43.45 | Ethan | I managed to install Debian 4.0 and I am trying to install a svn with apache2 |
| 13:43.52 | Ethan | I have to use |
| 13:44.08 | Ethan | a2enmod dav_svn |
| 13:44.16 | testergg | riz: thanks for your help |
| 13:44.24 | Ethan | but sadly the dav_svn is not found |
| 13:44.29 | en1gma | well i see that "Default install" line shouldnt it goto the install label |
| 13:44.33 | riz | testergg you are welcome. Do you solved ? |
| 13:44.35 | Ethan | someone would have an idea ? |
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| 13:45.18 | testergg | riz: no I have no idea what to do, it seems like sda1 is part of /dev/md0 and from the fdisk -l it says that /dev/md0 has no valid partition table so I am not sure how to fix that |
| 13:46.06 | themill | Ethan: have you installed libapache2-svn? |
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| 13:46.16 | jetscreamer | oh raid.. i have raid.. it comes in a can and i kill roaches with it |
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| 13:46.38 | Ethan | I have installed libapache2-mod-svn only |
| 13:46.45 | Wyzard | testergg: It's normal for a RAID array to not have a partition table |
| 13:46.49 | testergg | riz: I just read that that is not a problem, but I am still not sure where to go from here to have the /dev/md0 functional |
| 13:46.51 | Ethan | according to a tuto that was the only one for etch |
| 13:47.08 | testergg | Wyzard: thanks I read that after I sent the message |
| 13:47.15 | timgoh0 | Ethan: Are you sure there's a package called "libapache2-mod-svn"? |
| 13:47.42 | Ethan | euh... I think I just installed it |
| 13:47.46 | Ethan | how may I check ? |
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| 13:47.53 | Wyzard | testergg: It's possible to create a partitionable array though -- the partitions have names like "md0p1" |
| 13:47.58 | Wyzard | testergg: better to use LVM though |
| 13:48.08 | Armand | anyone using Debian Hurd yet? |
| 13:48.14 | en1gma | brb gonna test |
| 13:48.14 | themill | Ethan: apt-cache policy <package-name> |
| 13:48.23 | Ethan | and with aptitude ? |
| 13:48.27 | RvGaTe | is there a hardware compatibility list for debian? or something simular... ? |
| 13:48.36 | testergg | Wyzard: I'm not knowledgable with lvm but thanks |
| 13:49.12 | testergg | so I can mount /dev/md0 /mnt/md0 with no problem |
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| 13:49.59 | plb_ | hrm anyone else on unstable or testing notice iceweasel keeps freezing when you try to bookmark something |
| 13:50.06 | testergg | riz: it seems like /dev/hda1 is my boot drive and now I have to add /dev/hda to the /dev/md0 and have it bootable I think that's what is needed but I am not sure how to do it and how to install the new kernel that has the raid in it |
| 13:50.12 | plb_ | iceweasel and firefox (from mozilla.org) |
| 13:50.13 | Wyzard | testergg: If you create a filesystem on it, sure |
| 13:50.23 | themill | Ethan: somewhere in the interactive mode it will show you.... but I only ever use the command-line mode of aptitude and that has no way of doing that. |
| 13:50.29 | hoxu | themill, looks like "invoke-rc.d klogd restart" fixed the problem of iptables -j LOG not showing up in /var/log/syslog -_< |
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| 13:51.02 | testergg | Wyzard: /dev/md0 already has a filesystem and I have already copied all the contents from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1 which is part of /dev/md0 |
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| 13:51.12 | dim | hi |
| 13:51.23 | hoxu | ~greet dim |
| 13:51.23 | apt | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on dim |
| 13:51.26 | Ethan | k |
| 13:51.38 | Wyzard | testergg: You mean that you mounted /dev/sda1 and copied the files to it? |
| 13:51.46 | dim | trying to backport postgresql-8.1 8.1.1 for sarge, I'm beginning to be in an interesting situation |
| 13:51.49 | dim | rFR python-roman .... |
| 13:52.03 | testergg | Wyzard: yes that was the first part of the howto from howtoforge to convert single disk to raid1 etch |
| 13:52.14 | dim | now dpkg won't remove it and won't install anything as long as it's not reinstalled, which is not possible |
| 13:52.16 | dim | any tip? |
| 13:52.20 | DustyBin | how many server boxes do you guys have at home and what are they used for? |
| 13:52.28 | Wyzard | testergg: Don't mount individual component devices of a RAID array; mount the array itself |
| 13:52.55 | testergg | Wyzard: yes that is what i am doing |
| 13:53.12 | Wyzard | testergg: If it's a RAID1 array it'll work, and if there's only one disk in the array then it won't even make it inconsistent, but in general you should only mount the array itself, and never a component device like sda1 |
| 13:53.14 | hoxu | DustyBin, I have only workstations, my ISP prohibits running a server ;-) |
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| 13:53.29 | riz | testergg as Wyzard suggest, lvm is better for your. Unfortunatly I'm not very skilled with raid configuration. I hope Wyzard can help you much better :) |
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| 13:53.39 | testergg | riz: thansk |
| 13:53.40 | Wyzard | Well, I need to leave in a few minutes |
| 13:53.43 | testergg | riz: thanks |
| 13:53.56 | riz | testergg no problem. |
| 13:53.59 | themill | hoxu: hey, good stuff |
| 13:54.05 | Armand | hoxu: How the hell can they even imply that? |
| 13:54.08 | DustyBin | your ISP prohibits running a server? that sucks serious ass |
| 13:54.29 | Wyzard | That's common for "home broadband" service plans, I think |
| 13:54.34 | Armand | It's none of thier business what you run on your own network.. |
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| 13:55.06 | hoxu | Wyzard is correct, it sucks, but it's unfortunately true, although I guess if they were to try and enforce it here they would get into troubles really soon... |
| 13:55.11 | Wyzard | They want you to upgrade to a more expensive "business plan" to run a server |
| 13:55.13 | Armand | I've had a variety of servers on my LAN (using Virgin cable BB) and never had an issue. :) |
| 13:55.14 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 13:55.36 | Armand | hoxu: Tell them to go blow.. themselves up. |
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| 13:55.51 | Wyzard | Some ISPs do things like block incoming connections to port 80, but other than that they don't go out of their way to enforce the rule |
| 13:56.28 | Armand | I think my ISP has left the ports alone.. |
| 13:56.43 | themill | hoxu: it's also unenforcable. The can block a few ports, but that's it. |
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| 13:57.02 | Armand | why 25? |
| 13:57.07 | themill | smtp |
| 13:57.11 | Armand | ahhh. |
| 13:57.12 | timgoh0 | themill: dport only, please. |
| 13:57.36 | timgoh0 | themill: And they should provide a mail relay somewhere. |
| 13:57.39 | Bluechip | Is it possible to have the preseed 'late-command' execute a bash script off the CD? |
| 13:57.42 | timgoh0 | Which most don't want to maintain. |
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| 13:57.47 | hoxu | most ISPs here do block port 25, and I think that sucks - they shouldn't mess with any ports if you ask me |
| 13:57.53 | Wyzard | themill: I don't... I use a mailserver provided by my webhost and want to be able to use that from anywhere, rather than having to reconfigure my mail settings for whichever ISP I'm currently connected to |
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| 13:58.08 | petemc | hoxu: it doesnt suck, its a really good idea |
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| 13:58.38 | timgoh0 | How do you propose that one send mail then? |
| 13:58.43 | Wyzard | themill: When I was in college I'd have to change SMTP servers everytime I moved my computer to or from school; if I forgot to do so, any mail I sent would be silently lost |
| 13:58.47 | hoxu | petemc, and if you wanted to run a mail server...? |
| 13:58.50 | petemc | timgoh0: through the isps mailserver |
| 13:58.50 | themill | timgoh0: If the ISPs just blocked port 25 except for one gateway machine that does smtp auth, then sending spam would become virtually impossible. |
| 13:58.54 | abrotman | timgoh0: smart host .. use your ISPs SMTP server |
| 13:58.57 | timgoh0 | petemc: Which is generally evil. |
| 13:59.03 | abrotman | the fuck it is |
| 13:59.04 | petemc | timgoh0: how so? |
| 13:59.27 | timgoh0 | petemc: The one here is flakey, doesn't reverse lookup and generally goes off whenever they feel like it. |
| 13:59.31 | timgoh0 | And they want to charge soon. |
| 13:59.36 | petemc | you'll find a lot of people wont accept mail directly from a residential ip |
| 14:00.10 | abrotman | i don't! |
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| 14:00.12 | timgoh0 | petemc: Yes, but I'm attempting to deliver mail via my webhost's mail server. |
| 14:00.12 | Armand | anyone using Debian Hurd yet? |
| 14:00.22 | themill | Wyzard: Leave port 587 open as that is only for *authenticated* smtp connections and then you can always use that to push to your work/school smarthost. |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | !hurd |
| 14:00.23 | dpkg | i heard hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
| 14:00.31 | petemc | timgoh0: they should have their mta listening on 587, then |
| 14:00.33 | abrotman | timgoh0: your webserver should use your mail server .. |
| 14:00.36 | Armand | Ahhhh.. |
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| 14:00.48 | timgoh0 | petemc: They should, but they're arses. |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | morons more likely |
| 14:01.09 | petemc | timgoh0: well, you know where the problem is - leaving port 25 open for everyone isnt the solution |
| 14:01.39 | timgoh0 | petemc: Yes, I'm more for dropping it, except on request, and even then, connections should be monitored/rate limited. |
| 14:01.47 | hoxu | another port blocking "solution" I've seen is to block outgoing connections to port 25 |
| 14:02.23 | timgoh0 | hoxu: That's the one we're talking about, I think. |
| 14:02.24 | hoxu | I'm not against "default blocking", if they made it so that customers can request that all ports be unblocked |
| 14:02.48 | hoxu | timgoh0, I thought it was incoming/25 :P |
| 14:03.02 | hoxu | (that's what they block here) |
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| 14:04.25 | abrotman | hoxu: it should be both for residential |
| 14:04.40 | hoxu | Bluechip, were you looking for something akin to windows autorun? |
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| 14:05.17 | daemo | I have removed the apache2 log files, why dont them get recreated when apache serves something? |
| 14:05.20 | Bluechip | hoxu: i need to ask a question and then do a bunch of apt-get's depending on the answer |
| 14:05.23 | daemo | do I have to manually create them? |
| 14:05.31 | themill | daemo: you need to restart apache |
| 14:06.19 | Bluechip | hoxu: my ideal solution would be to change the "web/laptop/gui/standard" to be "myoption1/myOption2/standard" |
| 14:06.22 | daemo | themill: thanks :) |
| 14:07.00 | timgoh0 | abrotman: http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | timgoh0: so what ? |
| 14:07.17 | abrotman | not really |
| 14:07.24 | hoxu | Bluechip, what are you talking about / what do you want to do exactly? A custom installer CD? |
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| 14:07.34 | timgoh0 | abrotman: I've got a retarded ISP with slow support. |
| 14:07.47 | abrotman | that's your fault .. not the internet's |
| 14:07.51 | Bluechip | hoxu: yes, preseed is the file required to create a custom installer cd :) |
| 14:07.51 | timgoh0 | True. |
| 14:08.03 | themill | timgoh0: is changing the ISP not feasible? Vote with your $$ |
| 14:08.16 | timgoh0 | themill: The other two are a similar PITA |
| 14:08.23 | themill | :( |
| 14:08.27 | hoxu | Bluechip, ah well, sorry, can't help you there |
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| 14:09.05 | timgoh0 | themill: I could go for frame-relay to IXP. Which is approximately $4k/mth. |
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| 14:09.28 | themill | heh |
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| 14:09.46 | plb_ | Any unstable or testing users about want to try and reproduce a bug? |
| 14:09.52 | plb_ | with iceweasel |
| 14:09.54 | hoxu | timgoh0, good URL, I personally think crippling the mail system (with all the "improvements" it's getting harder and harder to run a private server for yourself) to block some spam is not a good trade, as spam can never be eliminated |
| 14:10.01 | Bluechip | hoxu: thanks anyway - there is much online about retrieving a script with wget during installation, but nothing about having one on a CD ...I don't even know where the cd is mounted during installation |
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| 14:10.08 | daemo | Bluechip: are you the same BC involved in rockbox? |
| 14:10.13 | Bluechip | yeah |
| 14:10.33 | timgoh0 | hoxu: But I'm all for preventing the idjits from inadvertently running a mail server. |
| 14:10.33 | abrotman | plb_: bugs.debian.org ? |
| 14:10.34 | daemo | Bluechip: eheh..I am ****las558 :) |
| 14:10.41 | Bluechip | hey dude - lol |
| 14:10.42 | timgoh0 | And/or random exploits. |
| 14:10.52 | plb_ | abrotman: I want to see if I can reproduce it before filing |
| 14:10.53 | daemo | Bluechip: g'day :) |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | plb_: try another user on the system |
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| 14:11.44 | plb_ | abrotman: not that...Firefox(from mozilla) and iceweasel both will freeze if you try to bookmark something |
| 14:11.49 | daemo | Bluechip: I am also using Debian now |
| 14:11.53 | plb_ | or perform certain actions |
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| 14:11.59 | plb_ | like "save image as" |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | plb_: right .. but if you try with another user with a clean profile .. you could determine if it's just you .. or the application |
| 14:12.24 | plb_ | abrotman: I did try a clean profile |
| 14:12.31 | plb_ | same problem |
| 14:12.32 | abrotman | then i'd say to file a bug |
| 14:12.40 | abrotman | if you're wrong .. the DD will laugh at you |
| 14:12.46 | plb_ | lol |
| 14:12.54 | plb_ | ya hence trying to reproduce it ;] |
| 14:13.04 | daemo | I open a php-served webpage with the browser but I can see nothing in the access or error logs |
| 14:13.07 | sine | whats the best dos emulator i could use in your experiance |
| 14:13.20 | sine | i just want to play worms 2 |
| 14:14.08 | themill | timgoh0: it's not just the idiots running mail servers, it would also kill off the botnets. At least until they work out how to find the smtp auth passwd in the registry... |
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| 14:14.35 | timgoh0 | themill: I hope whatever ISP implements that has the decency to offer an option to turn it off. |
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| 14:15.17 | mike1o | !v4l |
| 14:15.17 | dpkg | [v4l] video for linux. http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 14:15.43 | Shrike|work | Is anyone able to consider a question about FreeTDS/UnixODBC? |
| 14:15.59 | themill | timgoh0: there's no need for residential customers though. It's a "fix" not a "solution". |
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| 14:16.56 | timgoh0 | themill: Hmm, what happens if 'ork wants you to send mail to their mail swerver over the intartubes to port 25? |
| 14:17.08 | timgoh0 | themill: It's happened, and said 'ork doesn't want VPNs. |
| 14:17.17 | timgoh0 | Because they're "untested" |
| 14:17.36 | Bluechip | deamo: there's logging options in the apache config files |
| 14:17.44 | jetscreamer | you just change 25 to 587 |
| 14:17.46 | fireba11 | timgoh0 : untested ? :-D |
| 14:17.47 | jetscreamer | works fine |
| 14:17.48 | Supaplex | timgoh0: life is a test case. feed them that. |
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| 14:17.52 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 14:18.07 | themill | timgoh0: they should use 587 and smtp auth |
| 14:18.08 | timgoh0 | jetscreamer: I wish. $TARD doesn't want it. |
| 14:18.25 | jetscreamer | should, it's an 'official' smtp port |
| 14:18.26 | timgoh0 | themill: EFUNNYPORT! FUNNYPORTBAD! |
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| 14:18.39 | timgoh0 | jetscreamer: "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" |
| 14:18.43 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 14:18.45 | themill | timgoh0: no, lart $TARD. |
| 14:18.48 | fireba11 | jetscreamer : what's 587 ? |
| 14:18.54 | mike1o | !dvb |
| 14:18.54 | dpkg | i heard dvb is DigitalVideoBroadcast.MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally.See http://www.linuxtv.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB for more infos |
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| 14:19.03 | daemo | Bluechip: I possibly forgot to restart apache |
| 14:19.05 | timgoh0 | themill: That's more like it, but I think that's illegal. |
| 14:19.14 | timgoh0 | jetscreamer: Not you, that's what $TARD said. |
| 14:19.17 | jetscreamer | it's secure something.. i forget exactly, but it is a recognized alternate port |
| 14:19.18 | themill | timgoh0: only in some jurisdictions... |
| 14:19.25 | themill | fireba11: grep 587 /etc/services |
| 14:19.46 | jetscreamer | works fine for att/sbc timewarner |
| 14:19.48 | themill | fireba11: it's an alternative port for email transfer that is only supposed to be used for authenticated users |
| 14:19.49 | timgoh0 | jetscreamer: Message submission. |
| 14:19.52 | timgoh0 | RFC2476 |
| 14:19.57 | Bluechip | daemo: are you running apache as a daemon, or starting it via inetd? |
| 14:20.35 | fireba11 | themill : ah .. am still using 465 for SMTP/SSL here |
| 14:20.56 | jetscreamer | most isp's (that i know of) even have a factoid about 'if you need to use a 3rd party mailserver' |
| 14:21.00 | daemo | Bluechip: daemon |
| 14:21.15 | Bluechip | daemo: then you will NEED to /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
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| 14:21.25 | ebw | Does somebody know about a software like a wiki. I image to edit the pages like any wiki running on a apache on my local system and than do something like an export to get plain html files and transfer them to my webspace where I'm not allowed to run scripts ...? |
| 14:21.28 | lukas___ | What is name of debian openssh package? |
| 14:21.32 | daemo | Bluechip: I am given the task of converting a php webapp to a python webapp |
| 14:21.48 | Bluechip | lukas___: ssh |
| 14:21.50 | daemo | Bluechip: and since I am using Debian here I am having some issues.. |
| 14:21.50 | fireba11 | daemo: ouch |
| 14:22.04 | themill | fireba11: ahh... 587 is (usually) for STARTTLS connections |
| 14:22.04 | lukas___ | Bluechip: And development ? |
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| 14:22.20 | Bluechip | lukas___: not sure - I use libtomcrypt |
| 14:22.22 | DawnLight | can anyone recommend a 3d rpg? |
| 14:22.47 | fireba11 | themill : the setup here is that only the dedicated SSL ports are open to the outside forcing encryption :-D |
| 14:23.06 | daemo | grrr..I get a blank page with 200 OK, but the php inside never executes |
| 14:23.11 | Armand | DawnLight, Guildwars looks good. |
| 14:23.12 | daemo | it's a mysql/php issue |
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| 14:23.23 | Armand | or, Oblivion.. |
| 14:24.00 | DawnLight | native linux? |
| 14:24.19 | themill | fireba11: that's fair, although I don't know that there is much support for ssmtp in clients. If you wanted TLS on 587, you'd normally force your server to only allow TLS connections. The client can do that too (disconnect if STARTTLS is not accepted). |
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| 14:25.31 | Armand | Dunno.. |
| 14:26.04 | macsim | hi, I build a raid5 after a debian installation, the md0 works fine, when I reboot I have a error on my raid, when I did cfdisk /dev/md0 my partition is md0p1 Primary Linux raid autodetect, insteed of reiserfs, how can I fix this ? |
| 14:26.06 | fireba11 | themill : it's only our company mailserver, so closed user group .. using thunderbird and outlook, apart from outlook not knowing the port it#s fine |
| 14:26.39 | themill | fireba11: sounds quite reasonable. |
| 14:27.12 | Shrike|work | Any idea why FreeTDS 0.63-3 will happyily execute system stored procedures but not user ones? |
| 14:27.28 | themill | daemo: That's sounding like the script is crashing, possibly on the php compilation. Can you crank up the error logging in php and see something in the apache error.log? Or even run it from the command line to see how it barfs? |
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| 14:28.48 | daemo | mmh ok |
| 14:28.56 | daemo | themill: seems that mysql.so is not loaded |
| 14:29.18 | themill | daemo: are you using the debian packages for apache2, mysql and php5 (or 4) |
| 14:29.32 | daemo | yes |
| 14:29.48 | themill | is php5-mysql installed (or 4-) |
| 14:29.57 | daemo | I cant really run it from shell because I need to post |
| 14:30.03 | daemo | themill: yes |
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| 14:30.37 | themill | can you check in a page with <?php phpinfo() ; ?> whether mysql is being loaded? (or have you) |
| 14:30.47 | daemo | the fact that no error lines can be found anywhere makes me crazy |
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| 14:31.45 | themill | daemo: php has lots of settings for suppressing errors to the browser and/or to the logs. It's fine for production stuff but a pita for development. What's worse, is that scripts can override these settings so there's no universal way of turning it back on. |
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| 14:32.28 | daemo | themill: I have put a die('test') on top of the php script and still nothing is spit out |
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| 14:32.56 | yetifoot | So, i was trying to build a static executable yesterday, I think I got it working ok, but how can I be sure? I did ldd a.out and it gave me the answer "not a dynamic executable" does that mean it is a true static program? |
| 14:33.00 | themill | daemo: could well be a compile problem then. what did you find out with that phpinfo page? |
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| 14:34.36 | themill | daemo: are you using php4 or 5 here? |
| 14:34.49 | tarzeau | was someone able to build funguloids on etch? |
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| 14:35.27 | yetifoot | hey tarzeau :) did you ever get any further on that packaging of fbc you were doing? |
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| 14:35.38 | daemo | themill: php5 |
| 14:35.46 | tarzeau | yetifoot: i have the library packaged, and almost the binary package, but not really. why? |
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| 14:35.58 | yetifoot | tarzeau, just curious |
| 14:36.24 | tarzeau | yetifoot: it's all up here, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/fb/ |
| 14:36.29 | tarzeau | yetifoot: want to help? |
| 14:36.47 | tarzeau | yetifoot: i've had many games and other basic programs (graphical) running in it! |
| 14:36.55 | themill | daemo: does phpinfo show /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/mysql.ini under "additional .ini files parsed"? |
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| 14:37.09 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: dict doesn't know about tenactin? |
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| 14:37.36 | yetifoot | tarzeau, i've never done any packaging before, well i did one that was probably a huge violation of the rules, as i don't yet know what the rules are :) |
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| 14:37.54 | daemo | themill: yes |
| 14:38.03 | daemo | themill: there is external mysql support |
| 14:38.05 | tarzeau | yetifoot: the rules are simple, if lintian -Ivi says nothing on your package, and if you install the package and it works, it's (almost) good :) |
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| 14:38.28 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: fast actin' tenactin ... athlete's foot powder |
| 14:38.47 | testergg | Wyzard: do you have alot of experience with mdadm |
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| 14:38.48 | themill | daemo: ok, ... you said you thought there was a problem with mysql.so.. why? |
| 14:38.48 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: do i need to run faster? |
| 14:38.49 | jetscreamer | fungusamongus |
| 14:38.56 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: funguloids.sf.net it's great! |
| 14:38.58 | daemo | themill: my php.ini is the reccomended one |
| 14:39.07 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: you collect mushrooms and you get faster |
| 14:39.22 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: there's a moving star, which you can only catch when you're fast enough. very nice sound/music |
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| 14:39.28 | daemo | themill: because there was one before I reinstalled everything (mysql5, php5 and mysql-php5) |
| 14:39.34 | xerophyte4 | how can i search this pattern with "Carrie's Teachers.mbox" find -regex ? anyone |
| 14:39.48 | daemo | themill: that error disappeared (at least on the log lines) |
| 14:39.48 | themill | daemo: ah ok. Didn't realise that you've got that one sorted now. |
| 14:39.59 | daemo | themill: but the browser result is the same |
| 14:40.09 | daemo | themill: sorry I didnt be precise |
| 14:40.22 | themill | daemo: that's ok... I was just a bit behind the times ;) |
| 14:40.25 | Ast001 | Is anyone familiar with openvpn ? |
| 14:40.37 | themill | !tell Ast001 about ask |
| 14:40.58 | yetifoot | xerophyte4, not sure on your questions, but do you need 'hers\.mbox' as . needs to be escaped? |
| 14:41.12 | daemo | themill: now I'd like somewhere where to read why the php is not interpreted |
| 14:41.29 | ampex | is there an easy way to set which e-mail address cron output gets sent to? |
| 14:41.30 | Ast001 | sorry :( my problem is that openvpn did not ask me for creating tun tap device during installation (apt-get install openvpn) |
| 14:41.46 | yetifoot | xerophyte4, and maybe the same for the apostrophe? |
| 14:41.50 | themill | daemo: try setting error_reporting = E_ALL in your php.ini file. |
| 14:41.51 | Ast001 | and manual said it should ask me about that.Whats wrong ? |
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| 14:42.19 | daemo | themill: it's already E_STRICT |
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| 14:42.41 | daemo | themill: I can see the access on access.log |
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| 14:43.01 | daemo | themill: I have configured an error_log file in php.ini (and restarted apache already) |
| 14:43.08 | themill | daemo: E_STRICT is not E_ALL (it's a different bit in the bitmask). error_reporting = E_ALL | E_STRICT |
| 14:43.11 | daemo | themill: but still I get a blank page and no php executed |
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| 14:44.37 | daemo | themill: 0_o |
| 14:44.46 | DawnLight | how can i set a hotkey to switch between nvidia metamodes? |
| 14:44.51 | SexStick | rahul sup |
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| 14:45.32 | themill | daemo: did that signal success? |
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| 14:45.53 | ech0s7 | hello |
| 14:45.54 | ech0s7 | how can i limit the speed of upload and download for any tools??? |
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| 14:46.22 | tarzeau | ech0s7: using trickle |
| 14:46.38 | tarzeau | ech0s7: but that's only for tcp and it has some other limitations, beside that it works pretty well |
| 14:46.39 | SexStick | !seen helix |
| 14:46.39 | dpkg | helix <~e@amnesiac.heapspace.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 8h 24m 9s ago, saying: 'I guess I have to go to bed early'. |
| 14:47.03 | ech0s7 | ok tarrybone |
| 14:47.08 | ech0s7 | ok tarzeau |
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| 14:47.51 | SexStick | Is that right, how come I can't join #debian-women? |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | you're banned maybe ? |
| 14:48.10 | SexStick | probably not |
| 14:48.19 | SexStick | They don't know who I am |
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| 14:48.28 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 14:48.46 | cahoot | filtered by nick? |
| 14:48.56 | SexStick | I keep going to #unavailable |
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| 14:49.11 | daemo | themill: still working |
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| 14:49.25 | SexStick | maybe they don't let men in |
| 14:49.35 | daemo | themill: access recorded, but no error log |
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| 14:49.52 | daemo | themill: and response is plain blank :( |
| 14:49.55 | themill | daemo: that's with E_ALL and restarting apache? |
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| 14:50.06 | daemo | themill: yes |
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| 14:50.18 | themill | daemo: you know that die() doesn't take arguments, don't you? |
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| 14:50.24 | dondelelcaro | SexStick: this is the wrong network. What's the question? |
| 14:50.25 | daemo | themill: I will give a try to the php interepreter now |
| 14:50.25 | themill | daemo: php isn't perl... |
| 14:50.36 | daemo | daemo: ?? since when? |
| 14:50.45 | daemo | daemo: it used to take.. |
| 14:50.56 | clownfish | there's noone on #debian-women |
| 14:50.58 | daemo | daemo: the phpinfo file worked btw |
| 14:51.02 | clownfish | oh wait |
| 14:51.03 | Armand | SexStick, maybe your just an IRC-Tard.. ? |
| 14:51.20 | daemo | themill: tried with echo 'test'; die; still nothing |
| 14:51.21 | themill | daemo: bah sorry... it does :) |
| 14:51.30 | SexStick | Armand excuse me? Was that called for? |
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| 14:51.39 | Armand | yup. :) |
| 14:51.42 | SexStick | How so? |
| 14:51.48 | clownfish | i joined "#debian-women?" |
| 14:51.49 | SexStick | I don't believe I insulted you. |
| 14:51.56 | dondelelcaro | Armand: if you need to have it out with SexStick, do it elsewhere, please. |
| 14:52.03 | Armand | considering you think that IRC chans can tell between male & female? |
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| 14:52.23 | SexStick | Armand well I thought it was a setting in nickserv but couldn't find one. |
| 14:52.29 | Armand | hehe |
| 14:52.35 | Armand | fair enough. :D |
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| 14:52.51 | jelly | SexStick: you could just have an offensive nick :-) |
| 14:52.58 | themill | daemo: you can always run the script from the commandline and see compile errors even if there's no post data. |
| 14:53.01 | SexStick | hrm |
| 14:53.08 | SexStick | Is my nick offensive? |
| 14:53.42 | cahoot | it is OT |
| 14:54.59 | Armand | opps.. thats a 1998 one. |
| 14:55.05 | Armand | never mind. |
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| 14:55.45 | ixion | could anyone tell me what command to pass to iptables to NAT from source 192.168.0.0/16 (eth0) destination 10.0.0.0/8 (eth1) and to map to the ip address 172.16.2.3/29 ? |
| 14:55.48 | daemo | themill: will check that |
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| 14:56.35 | ixion | dynamic NAT |
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| 14:57.07 | jelly | perhaps #netfilter or #iptables might be a better place to ask |
| 14:57.17 | tarzeau | has someone ever done this? http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/autotrace.html |
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| 14:57.58 | themill | tarzeau: I've used autotrace for digitising data (and the library is in debian iirc) |
| 14:58.16 | tarzeau | hi jelly |
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| 14:58.34 | tarzeau | themill: i want to auto/po trace a bitmap font, but the menu "element,autotrace" is grayed out :( |
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| 14:59.24 | themill | tarzeau: do you have autotrace installed? do you know if the program was compiled with autotrace support? |
| 14:59.45 | tarzeau | themill: no i don't know if fontforge in debian was compiled with its support |
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| 14:59.50 | tarzeau | themill: but i have both potrace+autotrace |
| 14:59.51 | jelly | tarzeau: install potrace and/or autotrace |
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| 15:00.18 | jelly | worked for me a few months back, I don't remember having to build anything |
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| 15:00.27 | tarzeau | http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=fontforge&ver=0.0.20070831-2&arch=m68k&stamp=1189708102&file=log shows references to autotrace ini t |
| 15:00.31 | themill | tarzeau: given that it suggests autotrace, it probably is |
| 15:00.39 | tarzeau | jelly: do you think you can try to vectorize www.linuks.mine.nu/atari/ ? |
| 15:03.43 | jelly | tarzeau: I'd first have to find out why is now autotrace not available. ;-) |
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| 15:04.12 | fpitt_ | hello all, I'm using a debian/lenny operating system. Can someone tell me why some applications (like amsn) can not find truetype fonts ? |
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| 15:06.18 | daemo | themill: it gives no output :( |
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| 15:06.51 | themill | daemo: hrmm. |
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| 15:08.04 | daemo | themill: a reboot? |
| 15:08.13 | themill | daemo: can you php -n yourscript.php <-- -n says not to use an ini file |
| 15:08.48 | daemo | themill: and what php.ini should I use? |
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| 15:09.10 | themill | daemo: it will just use default settings to test if it's a config problem etc |
| 15:09.29 | daemo | k |
| 15:09.43 | daemo | themill: EMPTY :( |
| 15:10.02 | themill | php -r ?echo "Hello World\n";? |
| 15:10.20 | themill | daemo: let's start really basic ^^ |
| 15:10.36 | daemo | themill: maybe a user/group/perms issue? |
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| 15:11.03 | themill | there should still be an error message |
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| 15:11.33 | daemo | correct |
| 15:11.46 | daemo | themill: do you know how to have pedantic debug notices from php? |
| 15:12.11 | themill | daemo: E_ALL gets most of them and E_STRICT gets even more |
| 15:12.42 | daemo | themill: so why the shell I am not getting any error message? |
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| 15:13.27 | daemo | arg its working :) |
| 15:13.31 | themill | wtf? |
| 15:14.11 | daemo | themill: it's working from the shell, not from the browser |
| 15:14.33 | themill | daemo: ok... try clearing your browser cache etc to make sure of that. |
| 15:14.44 | themill | daemo: browsers have a nasty habit of complicating things |
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| 15:15.31 | daemo | themill: thx, I perhaps got what the problem was |
| 15:15.44 | themill | daemo: np |
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| 15:16.47 | daemo | themill: nope it's not working on the browser |
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| 15:17.12 | daemo | themill: but know since I have realized that it's not a package problem maybe I'd have to reach ##php |
| 15:17.17 | daemo | :p |
| 15:17.19 | undesktop | anyway to get rid of this bug?: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12434 |
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| 15:17.24 | undesktop | *any way |
| 15:17.27 | themill | daemo: ok... so check the difference between the /etc/php5/cli/php.ini and /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini files. |
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| 15:17.59 | undesktop | I think the same X update brought some wrong alt-key-modifier too |
| 15:18.00 | themill | daemo: I'd suggest going back to the vanilla ini file from the php5 package. It's fine for testing and development purposes for the most part. |
| 15:18.01 | daemo | themill: thanks for the excellent tip! I didn't know that there were 2 of them |
| 15:18.19 | undesktop | oh, and that bug 12434 is the thing about the not working keyboard leds |
| 15:18.31 | daemo | themill I am using php-reccomended.ini |
| 15:18.34 | trumpen | if I remove config files of apache2-common (with dpkg --purge apache2-common) what will happen to those files installed by apache2.2-common? |
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| 15:19.11 | themill | daemo: except you made other changes you said too... perhaps fubar'd. And the php-recommended.ini is designed for production not development iirc. |
| 15:20.18 | daemo | themill: except for the error level and the log file, I made no other changes |
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| 15:20.50 | darrh00 | how to find packages that are removed but now purged?how to purge them all? |
| 15:21.02 | daemo | themill: the cli's php.ini must be vanilla, I had not modified that.. |
| 15:21.19 | trumpen | darrh00: dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 15:21.25 | daemo | themill: I had modified /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 15:21.29 | themill | daemo: and the php-recommended.ini is not the one that's in the /etc/php5/*/ dirs either. |
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| 15:21.49 | daemo | themill: ? |
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| 15:22.33 | hark | darrh00: /msg dpkg purge |
| 15:22.43 | themill | daemo: diff /usr/share/doc/php5/examples/php.ini-recommended /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 15:22.55 | feisar_ | hi guys |
| 15:22.58 | daemo | themill: seems like there's a short tags issue too |
| 15:23.29 | themill | daemo: you might also like to diff the cli/php.ini against your apache2/php.ini. And remember you have to restart apache ;) |
| 15:24.02 | daemo | themill: the apache2/php.ini is the one which has higher priority |
| 15:24.23 | themill | daemo: what do you mean? |
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| 15:25.01 | daemo | themill: settings on apache2/php.ini have relevance above the other php.inis |
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| 15:25.11 | bartden | hi, any suggestions for a good IDE , especially for C++ and Java, running XFCE desktop enviroment |
| 15:25.15 | daemo | themill: override everything else |
| 15:25.31 | daemo | themill: seems like it was a short tags issue..I hate php developers which use short tags :( |
| 15:25.32 | themill | daemo: when you're running php scripts through apache, only the /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is used |
| 15:25.36 | wols_ | abaeclipse... |
| 15:25.43 | wols_ | *eclipse |
| 15:25.49 | daemo | themill: exact |
| 15:26.09 | daemo | themill: sorry I was confused.. |
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| 15:26.42 | themill | daemo: my point was that if it was working with the cli config, then you could see what the differences were and then change apache2/php.ini to match. |
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| 15:27.54 | dell_lin | how do i mount pen drive /usb stick if usb stick already there when it booted |
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| 15:28.23 | wols_ | fdisk -l |
| 15:28.32 | wols_ | then you should see which partition is your usb stick |
| 15:28.53 | themill | mkdir /media/pen; mount /dev/sda1 /media/pen <- replace the sda1 with the partition you see from wols_ instructions |
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| 15:29.44 | wols_ | themill: not good. what do you want to bet the stick ist vfat formatted? |
| 15:29.54 | wols_ | !tell dell_lin about vfatrw |
| 15:29.57 | daemo | themill: correct, in fact the apache2 file didnt have php short tags and that caused a parsing error which showed nothing |
| 15:30.19 | themill | zewb: you can't talk on #debian if you are root and you shouldn't be using irc as root anyway |
| 15:30.30 | wols_ | why? cause en1gma will come any minute? |
| 15:30.43 | Ronin | wols_: nope, zewb |
| 15:30.47 | wols_ | themill: zewb ist a troll |
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| 15:31.12 | themill | wols_: well, he'll be a silent one ;) |
| 15:31.14 | wols_ | at least we now know what ISP the shithdead uses |
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| 15:31.22 | Ronin | and please please please wols_ don't use the e word :) lest they show up |
| 15:31.43 | forthelulz | d |
| 15:32.01 | forthelulz | sup |
| 15:32.21 | themill | wols_: vfat format shouldn't be a problem.... depends what he wants to do, I guess. |
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| 15:33.00 | dell_lin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.01 | dell_lin | mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/KINGSTON busy |
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| 15:33.10 | slshsg | Now, this is a story all about how |
| 15:33.10 | slshsg | My life got flipped-turned upside down |
| 15:33.11 | slshsg | And I liked to take a minute |
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| 15:33.11 | slshsg | Just sit right there |
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| 15:33.13 | vovkvj | Now, this is a story all about how |
| 15:33.13 | vovkvj | My life got flipped-turned upside down |
| 15:33.14 | vovkvj | And I liked to take a minute |
| 15:33.14 | vovkvj | Just sit right there |
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| 15:33.26 | mcmamc | Now, this is a story all about how |
| 15:33.26 | mcmamc | My life got flipped-turned upside down |
| 15:33.27 | mcmamc | And I liked to take a minute |
| 15:33.27 | mcmamc | Just sit right there |
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| 15:33.36 | themill | !ops do something |
| 15:33.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: do something |
| 15:33.43 | rmaj_ | how to install any kernel into damaged box, I am on a live cd |
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| 15:33.55 | pickcoder | themill: kinda hard to do anything when the bots are spread across ISPs |
| 15:34.12 | themill | pickcoder: I know... but it will at least get their attention ;) |
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| 15:34.40 | NiLon | dpkg -i pack.deb installs packet? |
| 15:34.42 | garo | Which ftp-server is popular at the moment ? I don't need anything with fancy features, it justs have to be secure. It's only for letting users (that I don't trust) upload webpages for their websites. |
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| 15:34.50 | NiLon | wtf? |
| 15:34.50 | dante_2core | ahm |
| 15:34.56 | dante_2core | forthelulz, why are you dcc-ing me things? |
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| 15:35.00 | Ronin | garo: ftp ans secure in teh same sentence is well not right |
| 15:35.04 | Ronin | dante_2core: bots |
| 15:35.04 | pickcoder | forthelulz: you can't flood me |
| 15:35.05 | Armand | me too, what a n00b. |
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| 15:35.31 | undesktop | he did it for teh lulz... anyway; what bug did this thing trigger? |
| 15:35.35 | undesktop | at least not xchat :D |
| 15:35.45 | Armand | nothing on Konversation.. ? |
| 15:35.57 | pickcoder | why can't these morons go play on DALnet |
| 15:35.58 | Armand | must be a uber-n00b script-kiddie. |
| 15:35.59 | Ronin | its a router exploit |
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| 15:36.18 | pickcoder | lots more clueless people there |
| 15:36.32 | Armand | He would be right at home then. :) |
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| 15:39.38 | undesktop | I have the following problem: when playing a game (which uses SDL) and if I press the "s"-key, keep it pressed, and then press the Ctrl key, the ctrl key event doesn't seem to be sent to the game; this must have to do with some X updates in the last view weeks; the game didn't change and always worked in the expected way |
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| 15:41.38 | jelly | tarzeau: ah, found it... it's the fucking widget that fontforge uses... when importing the bitmapped font, make sure you click the "as background" option |
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| 15:48.04 | null | Question: I am trying to start syslogd with -r as described @ http://www.aboutdebian.com/syslog.htm, but I can't find SYSLOGD="" anywhere in my /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 15:48.25 | jelly | null: /etc/default/syslogd |
| 15:48.58 | null | jelly: thanks! Why does that tutorial not apply? Deprecated? |
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| 15:49.17 | jelly | null: probably written for old release of Debian |
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| 15:50.19 | null | cd /var/log |
| 15:50.19 | null | ls |
| 15:50.21 | null | err |
| 15:50.23 | null | ^_^ |
| 15:50.52 | themill | null: From TFA: The material presented on this page is based on a Sarge system. |
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| 15:51.53 | jelly | null: you can see the init script sources that file in line 10: test ! -r /etc/default/syslogd || . /etc/default/syslogd |
| 15:52.02 | null | See, that text was just invisible to me :( |
| 15:52.10 | null | Yes, my eye(s) caught that. |
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| 15:55.29 | jelly | I wonders why the author didn't do [ -r /etc/default/syslogd ] && . /etc/default/syslogd which looks like a bit more common construct, but chose double negation instead |
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| 15:55.49 | Pete_B | Hi. How do I get a list of the groupings you can change the particular app for for update-alternatives? |
| 15:56.03 | jelly | Pete_B: --list |
| 15:56.16 | themill | Pete_B: or use galternatives |
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| 15:56.35 | treyh0 | when did vorlon start working for ubuntu? i just noticed a beta release message from steve.langasek@ubuntu.com... |
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| 15:56.53 | jelly | !find bin/galternatives |
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| 15:57.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/galternatives' (1): (/usr/sbin/galternatives) in admin/galternatives. |
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| 15:57.10 | Pete_B | jelly: that displays targets of the link group, not the available link groups themselves |
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| 15:57.25 | themill | jelly: package is, unsurprisingly, galternatives |
| 15:57.31 | Pete_B | themill: great, I'll give that a try, thanks |
| 15:57.47 | jelly | Pete_B: ah, I misunderstood. You can always ls /etc/alternatives :-) |
| 15:57.49 | hark | ls /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 15:58.13 | Pete_B | jelly: thanks |
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| 16:00.32 | themill | the bash completion script uses ls /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ btw |
| 16:00.46 | themill | Pete_B: if you enable bash command completion, these things get much more manageable too... |
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| 16:01.53 | themill | Pete_B: update-al<TAB>--c<TAB><TAB><TAB> :) |
| 16:03.01 | Pete_B | themill: do I have to turn something on somewhere to get bash to be so intelligent about its command completion? |
| 16:03.31 | themill | . /etc/bash_completion |
| 16:03.37 | themill | (note the initial . ) |
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| 16:04.10 | null | Question: How can I find out more detailed information about the output of 'users'? Whether session is tty/ssh, what IP, etc..? |
| 16:04.21 | jelly | null: w |
| 16:04.24 | themill | you can stick that in your .bash_profile to enable it for yourself, or edit /etc/bash.bashrc to do it system wide. (and stuffed if I know why it's not enabled by default) |
| 16:04.37 | themill | Pete_B: ^^ |
| 16:04.54 | jelly | heh, output of users is just funny here. |
| 16:04.59 | Pete_B | themill: that looks really useful to know, thanks. galternatives looks like a missing piece of GNOME admin software that should be installed by default. I'm glad to now have that. |
| 16:05.00 | null | jelly: Simple and concise answer. 10/10. Highly recommended. Will deal with again. |
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| 16:05.28 | jetscreamer | http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=gtkradiant |
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| 16:05.41 | coucou747 | je hais les ordinateurs ils font toujours ce que je dis... rarement ce que je veux... |
| 16:05.57 | themill | !ffr |
| 16:06.00 | themill | !fr |
| 16:06.00 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:06.07 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 16:06.07 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 16:06.15 | SHOTbyGUN | I cant boot normal i386 debian, or ubuntu. Kubuntu 6.x boots fine so does win98... what could cause this? some kind of bootloader? |
| 16:06.29 | treyh0 | is this channel logged anywhere? |
| 16:06.35 | null | treyh0: yes |
| 16:06.38 | themill | !irc archive |
| 16:06.39 | dpkg | This channel is usually archived at http://irc-archive.com/channel/FreeNode/debian and sometimes at http://ircarchive.info/debian/ |
| 16:06.39 | jetscreamer | many places |
| 16:06.41 | treyh0 | thanks |
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| 16:06.51 | lindenle | SHOTbyGUN: Does it try to boot is it enabled in the bios? |
| 16:07.03 | jetscreamer | SHOTbyGUN: are you talking about all gui , or textmode |
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| 16:07.12 | jetscreamer | or both |
| 16:07.14 | lindenle | SHOTbyGUN: are you trying to boot to HD or CD or what? |
| 16:07.26 | themill | Pete_B: it's nice, but upstream and the debian maintainer want to orphan it and many people have an objection to X-based admin tools.... |
| 16:07.27 | SHOTbyGUN | yes... win98 boots fine but BIOS gives DISK BOOT FAILURE with debian or ubuntu |
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| 16:07.38 | SHOTbyGUN | bootting with i386 cd |
| 16:07.49 | SHOTbyGUN | processor i586 AMD k6 |
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| 16:08.06 | jetscreamer | bios update maybe |
| 16:08.11 | lindenle | SHOTbyGUN: Did you check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded |
| 16:08.11 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:08.16 | Klowner | Thsi is a bit of a noob question, but there's a bug in mysql 5.0.32 (etch) that was fixed in 5.0.43, I noticed 5.0.45 is available in etch-backports. Anyone know where I could find instructions for installing that? If it's moderately safe |
| 16:08.30 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 16:08.30 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 16:08.45 | SHOTbyGUN | lindenle no I didint, but i tested CD with my main computer and boots UBUNTU SETUP screen in notime |
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| 16:09.04 | null | Klowner: What's the severity of the bug? I'm also running 5.0.32 |
| 16:09.08 | lindenle | SHOTbyGUN: well then I would say try bios upgrade |
| 16:09.10 | SHOTbyGUN | I think its something with kernel or bootloader |
| 16:09.15 | lindenle | SHOTbyGUN: weird though |
| 16:09.21 | themill | Pete_B: http://bugs.debian.org/365365 |
| 16:09.25 | sir_mud | SHOTbyGUN, try a boot floppy |
| 16:09.30 | Klowner | null: low, it's just a weird issue when importing CSV files, it doesn't respect table default values |
| 16:09.32 | xerophyte4 | how can i set the time on the server : i have install ntp and ntpdate still have wrong time ?? |
| 16:09.33 | lindenle | !beer sir_mud |
| 16:09.33 | SHOTbyGUN | yep... win98 boots so well... why Debian doesnt |
| 16:09.37 | Pete_B | themill: shame. surely there's a place for both. many of my clients could begin to do some of their own admin if I gave them servers with a GUI. thanks for the link. |
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| 16:10.35 | themill | Pete_B: if you're interested you could adopt it ;) It shouldn't be too hard :) |
| 16:10.42 | sir_mud | xerophyte4, is it in your crontab? |
| 16:11.20 | Pete_B | themill: are you serious that it wouldn't be too hard? I can program, but not C/C++ |
| 16:12.08 | themill | Pete_B: I actually have no idea. I've not looked at it at all. It's glade and python, iirc. apt-get source galternatives and have a look... |
| 16:12.30 | Pete_B | themill: I will |
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| 16:13.48 | themill | Pete_B: happy hunting... perhaps ping that bug to see if anything's happening as there's a chance that something is already... |
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| 16:16.07 | xerophyte4 | sir_mud, ?? |
| 16:16.23 | xerophyte4 | my time get switch Local time is now: Thu Sep 27 07:44:56 EDT 2007. |
| 16:16.23 | xerophyte4 | Universal Time is now: Thu Sep 27 11:44:56 UTC 2007. now can i fix this |
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| 16:19.26 | Pete_B | themill: looking at the code, I think you're right, it's a small program. I'll ping the bug tho to see whatsup |
| 16:21.02 | yetifoot | xerophyte4, how long ago did you install ntp? it took a while before it kicked in for me, it has to take a number of measurements before it is sure it is correct. also is your firewall set up to allow ntp? |
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| 16:34.03 | FuriousJack | hey folks |
| 16:34.08 | FuriousJack | one question about ssh |
| 16:34.23 | FuriousJack | is it possible to connect from the ssh-server to the client |
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| 16:34.54 | FuriousJack | i ask because of an stateful inspection firewall on the server side... (it only allows outgoing connections)? |
| 16:35.34 | sir_mud | not that i know of |
| 16:35.35 | hark | no |
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| 16:36.34 | sir_mud | FuriousJack, you have to have the port open on the firewall |
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| 16:39.40 | FuriousJack | vnc can do that... (run the client in listening mode) |
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| 16:41.14 | sir_mud | you have to have some way to signal the server |
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| 16:54.09 | admin8tor | Can somebody please point me to a resource that will help me get my intel 3945ABG wireless working in my new etch install? I had it working in ubuntu, but transitioned to Debian and lost it. :( |
| 16:54.41 | dondelelcaro | !ipw3945 |
| 16:54.41 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 16:55.05 | admin8tor | ha |
| 16:55.08 | admin8tor | thanks |
| 16:55.17 | admin8tor | so the issue is that it's a non-free driver? |
| 16:56.22 | wols_ | yes |
| 16:57.10 | ameyer | and possibly violates the GPL |
| 16:57.26 | ameyer | depending on which kernel developer you ask |
| 16:57.37 | zinx | doesn't explain the lack of iwlwifi :) |
| 16:57.50 | ameyer | well, that goes for all non-free drivers |
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| 16:58.12 | zinx | iwlwifi is fully GPL'd with only a firmware |
| 16:58.19 | dalias | btw does linux (the kernel) use externally-developed GPL code? |
| 16:58.24 | zinx | (no closed source daemon sitting around) |
| 16:58.30 | dalias | stuff that was not originally written for the kernel? |
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| 16:58.43 | dalias | if so, the kernel maintainers are infringing on the GPL |
| 16:58.52 | zinx | dalias: how's that? |
| 16:59.00 | dalias | by adding the exception that allows proprietary kernel modules |
| 16:59.14 | dalias | you cannot add exceptions to someone else's GPL'd code |
| 16:59.31 | zinx | dalias: the tricky part is that it doesn't have to apply to the whole kernel |
| 16:59.39 | dalias | it does |
| 17:00.01 | dalias | the GPL (unmodified, without any silly added exceptions) applies to the program as a whole |
| 17:00.31 | valdyn | dalias: the kernel does not allow proprietary modules |
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| 17:00.42 | dalias | valdyn, since when did it stop allowing that? |
| 17:00.43 | valdyn | dalias: depending on the layer, you nask naturally |
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| 17:00.55 | valdyn | dalias: it never did allow it, nvidia just DOES it |
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| 17:00.58 | dalias | no |
| 17:01.00 | dalias | read: |
| 17:01.40 | dalias | grr can't find where the stuff is |
| 17:02.01 | dalias | but linus definitely allowed binaryware modules explicitly |
| 17:02.03 | zinx | i see something about userspace programs not being considered derivitive works |
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| 17:02.07 | dalias | indeed |
| 17:02.11 | dalias | that's reasonable |
| 17:02.12 | valdyn | dalias: it doesn't exist. The situation is roughly that the kernel is GPL and torvalds is not bothred by binary modules |
| 17:02.16 | zinx | but there is nothing in the license about proprietary modules |
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| 17:02.27 | valdyn | dalias: linus does not change the license, he's simply not sueing or sleeping bad over it |
| 17:02.30 | dalias | so if a distro shops binary modules it's infringing the gpl |
| 17:02.38 | valdyn | dalias: no |
| 17:03.01 | Raphael_S_B0t | Raphael_S |
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| 17:03.21 | valdyn | dalias: the GPL has no clear wording that was tested in court that applies to kernel stuff like modules |
| 17:03.25 | Raphael_S | Raphael_S_B0t :P |
| 17:03.33 | Raphael_S_B0t | Raphael_S |
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| 17:03.57 | Raphael_S_B0t | hi I'AM gay |
| 17:04.05 | valdyn | dalias: so.. you are free to sue nvidia if you own gpled code in the kernel |
| 17:04.09 | Ronin | Raphael_S: please take it elsewhere |
| 17:04.12 | dalias | valdyn, cut the fud |
| 17:04.20 | dalias | "no clear wording" and "tested in court" are all pure fud |
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| 17:04.25 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 17:04.32 | zinx | dalias: do you have any GPL'd code in the kernel? |
| 17:04.39 | Raphael_S | Ronin, ok guy |
| 17:04.41 | dalias | not afaik |
| 17:04.45 | SamuraiDio | where can i find the pub key to the opera repository? |
| 17:04.51 | zinx | dalias: do you think the people who do feel violated? |
| 17:04.54 | valdyn | dalias: fud is something else. Im certainly not inspiring fear |
| 17:05.02 | dalias | zinx, i have no idea whether they do |
| 17:05.12 | dalias | valdyn, ok then it's _ud |
| 17:05.21 | zinx | dalias: i don't, but if you feel some do, maybe you should inform them of their legal right to sue |
| 17:05.22 | valdyn | dalias: so far nvidia was not sued, that's the fact |
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| 17:05.29 | simonrvn | Raphael_S: #botpark for testing bots. note i said *testing*, not just screwing around with them |
| 17:05.46 | dim | any known php4-cli pgsql.so related problem in etch? |
| 17:05.47 | dalias | valdyn, because linus and his flunkies are friends of proprietary software |
| 17:05.54 | dalias | they care more about hardware support than free software |
| 17:06.02 | Raphael_S | simonrvn, ok |
| 17:06.09 | valdyn | dalias: read the gpl btw, it talks about linking, it does not mentioned whatever it is that kernel modules do to the kernel and that nvidia does. Its a corner case |
| 17:06.14 | simonrvn | dim: bts |
| 17:06.15 | zinx | dalias: far mare than just "linus and his flunkies" have code in the kernel |
| 17:06.17 | zinx | erh, more |
| 17:06.26 | dalias | valdyn, modules are linked |
| 17:06.30 | dalias | study the past cases |
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| 17:06.34 | cayres | anyone know of a utility that would aide in fixing file permissions on a system that had a chmod gone wild? |
| 17:06.41 | dalias | much looser "linking" than that in the past has been settled out of court over and over |
| 17:06.42 | zinx | dalias: including quite a few hardcore advocates like RMS (or at least I think he does.. i'm sure some of his flunkies do :P) :/ |
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| 17:06.50 | dondelelcaro | cayres: depends on what files you're talking about |
| 17:07.05 | dalias | for instance the gcc/objectivec case |
| 17:07.13 | cayres | dondelelcaro: mostly /etc at this point |
| 17:07.22 | zinx | dalias: settling out of court just means "we don't care enough to go through with the lawsuit" |
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| 17:07.35 | zinx | dalias: it doesn't prove anything one way or the other |
| 17:07.38 | cayres | I've fixed the root level and the root level of /etc, but all the underlying directories are futzed |
| 17:07.41 | dalias | normally companies do care about keeping their code propretary |
| 17:08.01 | dalias | they will not voluntarily gpl it unless they think they'd lose in court |
| 17:08.09 | dondelelcaro | cayres: well, there's no good way to fix it for all of etc, but most of etc is going to be 644 |
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| 17:08.19 | dondelelcaro | (and the directories 755) |
| 17:08.27 | dalias | anyway it would be a huge advance for free software if the nvidia module were discontinued |
| 17:08.28 | zinx | dalias: spending a lot of money is losing even if you win.. |
| 17:08.36 | dalias | within 6 months there'd be a fully-functional free driver |
| 17:08.40 | sf7_ | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash -- i can't do step 3 of the yum inst |
| 17:08.44 | cayres | dondelelcaro: yeah.. I think im going to look at mtree once this is solved |
| 17:08.54 | zinx | dalias: i think not |
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| 17:08.56 | sf7_ | says 'rpm command not found'... can someone help? |
| 17:08.57 | dalias | yes |
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| 17:09.05 | zinx | dalias: but you're welcome to help the nouveau project |
| 17:09.09 | Ronin | sf7_: yum? rpm? you are runnign debian right? |
| 17:09.14 | fozze | can anyone reccomend a cli hdd disk monitor? |
| 17:09.15 | sf7_ | yes |
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| 17:09.19 | dondelelcaro | cayres: if you know what files you chmoded (or what you chmodded them to) you can use find + xargs + chmod to chmod them to a reasonable value, then go through and clean up the odd ones manually |
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| 17:09.22 | dalias | i'm not interested in supporting proprietary hardware companies with drivers |
| 17:09.27 | dalias | i'll buy whatever already has free drivers |
| 17:09.41 | zinx | dalias: nouveau is a free driver for nVidia cards |
| 17:09.42 | dalias | and let the performance gamer kiddie types work on the support for the crap they want to buy |
| 17:09.46 | dalias | yes |
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| 17:10.01 | jelly | dalias: there might not be a machine available that _has_ all the hw supported with free drivers only. |
| 17:10.07 | dalias | sure there is |
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| 17:10.14 | dalias | ebay has tons of old cards for sale |
| 17:10.18 | zinx | dalias: PCs have proprietaly BIOSes |
| 17:10.25 | dondelelcaro | a large part of the problem is just the lack of specifications |
| 17:10.25 | cayres | dondelelcaro: a co-worker had some script that was doing sudo chmod, im not sure at this point about it. I've been fixing permissions to get services back online and whatnot |
| 17:10.26 | zinx | erh, proprietary |
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| 17:10.43 | dondelelcaro | cayres: yeah, time to beat your coworker over the head |
| 17:10.53 | cayres | dondelelcaro: indeed |
| 17:10.56 | dalias | zinx, the bios does not operate while your computer is running and has no effect on its stability, security, etc. |
| 17:11.02 | dondelelcaro | cayres: though the fact that they had sudo, at least the changes should have been logged |
| 17:11.07 | zinx | dalias: what about the game programmers who need the latest greatest cards? :P |
| 17:11.17 | dondelelcaro | (though not the original files munged) |
| 17:11.18 | zinx | dalias: yes it does |
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| 17:11.25 | jelly | dalias: I was in the market for a laptop last year, it was not very easy to find something completely supported |
| 17:11.25 | zinx | dalias: on all counts. |
| 17:11.26 | cayres | dondelelcaro: where would that get logged to? |
| 17:11.27 | dalias | zinx, they should be the ones to write the driver for it |
| 17:11.41 | dondelelcaro | cayres: /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:11.42 | dalias | zinx, bios has no impact after control passes to linux |
| 17:11.43 | zinx | dalias: in fact, it has a huge impact stability/security |
| 17:11.48 | dalias | not at all |
| 17:11.50 | sf7_ | can anyone help? i get this error, says 'rpm: command not found' -- how to install rpm? |
| 17:11.52 | dalias | the code is never run |
| 17:11.53 | cayres | dondelelcaro: mtree looks like a good preventitive |
| 17:11.58 | zinx | dalias: Yes it is. |
| 17:12.01 | dondelelcaro | sf7_: aptitude install rpm; |
| 17:12.04 | dalias | zinx, by what? |
| 17:12.07 | zinx | dalias: and it sets the hardware up initially in ways that Linux can not |
| 17:12.09 | dondelelcaro | sf7_: but why are you running rpm? |
| 17:12.12 | sir_mud | sf7_, you need to download the .tar.gz installer for flash |
| 17:12.35 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't even do that |
| 17:12.42 | dalias | pray tell, who calls legacy 16bit bios code from linux?? |
| 17:12.53 | undesktop | how can I roll back xorg to "xorg (1:7.2-5)"? |
| 17:12.54 | dondelelcaro | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:12.54 | dpkg | from memory, flashplugin-nonfree is the debian package to install the adobe flash player, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 17:13.04 | jelly | dalias: modesetting for vesa driver! |
| 17:13.04 | dondelelcaro | sf7_: ^^^ |
| 17:13.07 | dalias | zinx, it's easy to say i'm wrong then not back up your claims |
| 17:13.14 | dalias | jelly, lol why would anyone sane use vesa driver?! |
| 17:13.24 | dalias | of course you _can_ use bios code if you want |
| 17:13.44 | jelly | dalias: you didn't ask why, you asked for an example |
| 17:13.46 | dalias | that doesn't mean you do |
| 17:13.49 | PingFloyd | bringing up bios is such a straw man |
| 17:13.58 | zinx | dalias: there are a lot of tables used by Linux, which if wrong, will break your system; there are ACPI issues, some weird stuff with the new hard drive security stuff (related to altering/reading keys) |
| 17:14.03 | dalias | i don't use acpi |
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| 17:14.16 | dalias | not hard drive 'security' crap |
| 17:14.20 | zinx | dalias: that's your problem, dude. most of us like the extra features it provides. |
| 17:14.29 | dalias | so you like proprietary software... |
| 17:14.41 | zinx | dalias: I like to have a functional machine. |
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| 17:14.42 | dalias | anyway tables are not software |
| 17:14.43 | valdyn | dalias: zealotry is off topic here |
| 17:14.49 | jelly | dalias: the current version of drivers for intel gpus use bios... I don't care. |
| 17:14.55 | zinx | dalias: having all the free software in the world won't matter if I can't use it. |
| 17:15.05 | dalias | zinx, my machine is fully functional |
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| 17:16.01 | simonrvn | it's easy to bitch and not do anything about it |
| 17:16.01 | dondelelcaro | the goal is to have machine(s) which is are completely modifiable, with FOSS all the way down. Until that time, we'll just keep moving forward |
| 17:16.02 | mike1o | I have two usb devices attached but non will show with "lsusb" |
| 17:16.03 | zinx | dalias: Mine would not be without the BIOS. |
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| 17:16.07 | dalias | and i'm rather confused why one would want DRM features for the hard drive.... |
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| 17:16.22 | zinx | dalias: I won't claim to know what yours is capable of because I don't have it, and don't know what it is. |
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| 17:16.44 | zinx | dalias: but any computer that meets the requirements I have would also required the proprietary BIOS on it. |
| 17:16.50 | zinx | s/required/require/ |
| 17:16.57 | dondelelcaro | dalias: the best thing is to just work on the areas that you feel are important; complaining that others don't feel specific bits are important enough to work on themselves is kind of a non-starter. |
| 17:17.01 | dalias | "requirements" sounds like a euphemism for gaming... |
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| 17:17.35 | jelly | undesktop: which release are you using? that version is still available in testing at the moment |
| 17:17.37 | simonrvn | a requirement like being able to boot isn't just related to gaming |
| 17:17.50 | undesktop | jelly: unstable / 1:7.3+2 |
| 17:18.06 | zinx | dalias: i need to be able to compile for x86/x86-64, it needs to have a video card that supports modern features (OpenGL 2.0+), and enough to run the games *WHICH I PROGRAM* |
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| 17:18.35 | dalias | if you want a wintendo (and thus are committed to proprietary software already, i.e. the games) then why not just use a separate windows machine for that, and a stable/free/secure machine for linux |
| 17:18.36 | simonrvn | zinx 1 dalias 0 ;p |
| 17:18.39 | xlq | Epiphany has crashed about 8 times this afternoon |
| 17:18.40 | zinx | dalias: but as far as the BIOS is concerned, any x86/x86-64 system i can buy today needs the BIOS |
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| 17:19.08 | sir_mud | zinx, buy a mac |
| 17:19.12 | zinx | dalias: i develop in Linux |
| 17:19.19 | jelly | undesktop: I guess you could add testing in sources.list and do apt-get install package1=version package2=version ... for xorg, there'd be a lot of those and you need to figure out the list of packages and the respective versions (the latter can be got from apt-cache policy packagename for example) |
| 17:19.20 | simonrvn | xlq: reportbug epiphany-browser |
| 17:19.30 | zinx | sir_mud: Apple's OpenGL drivers are terrible. |
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| 17:19.59 | dalias | zinx, there's always software GL too :) |
| 17:20.08 | zinx | dalias: that won't run the games at any reasonable speed |
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| 17:20.18 | zinx | dalias: even running the stuff in valgrind is faster than software OpenGL |
| 17:20.21 | jelly | zinx: that was a counterexample for "any system", not a suggestion |
| 17:20.22 | undesktop | jelly: yes, I guess that's the problem: lot's of packages |
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| 17:20.39 | zinx | dalias: and that only runs it fast enough for debugging, if you're willing to wait ages. |
| 17:20.42 | jelly | undesktop: purge all X and reinstall? :-) |
| 17:20.50 | jelly | !remove x |
| 17:20.50 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 17:20.55 | sir_mud | zinx, most of the newer macs use nvidia or ati graphics and support linux |
| 17:21.10 | dalias | sir_mud, "support" with proprietary drivers... |
| 17:21.18 | zinx | sir_mud: there's no reason for me to buy a mac to run Linux |
| 17:21.23 | ameyer | sort of support linux for some of em |
| 17:21.30 | zinx | sir_mud: apple hardware isn't any more open than any other pc hardware |
| 17:21.30 | dalias | btw zinx isn't there a fully free driver for some amd gfx coming soon? |
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| 17:21.41 | zinx | dalias: soon? we'll see |
| 17:21.41 | abrotman | zinx: less in some cases |
| 17:21.44 | dalias | :P |
| 17:21.49 | sir_mud | no, but the new ones don't have a bios |
| 17:21.52 | zinx | dalias: there is a fully open 2D driver coming, but not 3D until it's written |
| 17:22.03 | simonrvn | efi, booted via elilo |
| 17:22.07 | zinx | dalias: but there's already a fully open 2D driver, it just doesn't support the latest cards yet |
| 17:22.13 | valdyn | sir_mud: efi is just as prpoprietary, no? |
| 17:22.21 | simonrvn | valdyn: yes |
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| 17:22.28 | jelly | ameyer: linux runs on itanium. it only has efi. |
| 17:22.40 | ameyer | since it's pretty much apple-only at this point |
| 17:22.52 | ameyer | (and itanic, apparently) |
| 17:23.04 | zinx | dalias: afaik AMD has yet to release all the specifications, though it is planned for the near future |
| 17:23.17 | abrotman | zinx: and some day java will be open source too .. |
| 17:23.18 | zinx | dalias: at least, to the general public |
| 17:23.26 | zinx | abrotman: hahah :) |
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| 17:23.40 | ameyer | abrotman: not until they clear and/or remove all encumbered code |
| 17:23.48 | abrotman | ameyer: i know .. it was a joke |
| 17:24.06 | jelly | abrotman: there have been reports of people b0rking their system with packages called icedtea-java7-* so it's coming |
| 17:24.31 | ameyer | until then, it'd (in theory) have to be in non-free, even though it's GPL with some exceptions |
| 17:24.34 | simonrvn | b0rk b0rk b0rk |
| 17:24.40 | undesktop | icedtea?? |
| 17:24.42 | ameyer | jelly: not exactly |
| 17:24.52 | ameyer | not GPL until all the code's GPL |
| 17:25.11 | ameyer | which may or may not happen anytime soon |
| 17:25.38 | jelly | undesktop: as opposed to HotSpot I guess :-) |
| 17:25.51 | simonrvn | ice-t |
| 17:26.19 | jelly | abrotman: done that, got the mug |
| 17:26.23 | dalias | sun releasing 'free' java with parts missing was just a trick |
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| 17:26.35 | dalias | to get the developers of classpath, etc. to laze off |
| 17:26.38 | abrotman | dalias: that remains to be seen |
| 17:26.50 | dalias | and slow down the emergence of a real free java |
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| 17:27.22 | hark | it was the aliens! |
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| 17:27.43 | sf7_ | can someone throw me a working link to installing flashplayer on etch? |
| 17:27.44 | yggdr4sil | hello, i havea usb serial port device, how can i check what serial port has been assigned to it? |
| 17:27.56 | Ronin | sf7_: didnt dondelelcaro all rady give you one? |
| 17:28.07 | sf7_ | I read thru that one, but it's not working |
| 17:28.15 | Ronin | !doesnt work |
| 17:28.15 | dpkg | doesnt work is probably Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:28.31 | sir_mud | yggdr4sil, it might say in dmesg |
| 17:28.36 | yggdr4sil | mhmm ok |
| 17:28.50 | yggdr4sil | just wondering if there was a way to probe serial ports or a way to grep em |
| 17:28.53 | sf7_ | :) |
| 17:29.16 | cayres | is it the lowercase -r that recurses upward? |
| 17:29.19 | cayres | in chmod |
| 17:29.31 | sf7_ | tried several paths & all failed. so mebe better to start afresh? |
| 17:29.38 | NiLon | can I get list of packets that are installed and starts with "abc" |
| 17:29.42 | sir_mud | yggdr4sil, everything is a file... |
| 17:29.52 | NiLon | like abcpack1, abcpack2 |
| 17:29.52 | PingFloyd | cayres: if it's recursing upward it's because you're catching .. |
| 17:29.57 | yggdr4sil | ill just check out the dmesg |
| 17:30.00 | sf7_ | latest is: http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-flash-9.html .. doing apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree is failing |
| 17:30.01 | yggdr4sil | see what happens |
| 17:30.14 | jelly | NiLon: somehting like dpkg -l 'abc*' | grep ^.i |
| 17:30.26 | hark | sf7_: how is it failing? |
| 17:30.31 | Ronin | sf7_: you did the !flashplugin-nonfree one? how is it not working? |
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| 17:30.37 | NiLon | jelly ok, that works, thanks :) |
| 17:30.40 | undesktop | also, why does current unstable dist-upgrade want to remove anjuta? how can I find out for what reasons dist-upgrades wants to remove/install packages |
| 17:30.43 | cayres | PingFloyd, for some reason I thought -r explicitly went upward |
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| 17:31.02 | yggdr4sil | or tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep tty |
| 17:31.10 | yggdr4sil | adn then plug it in and out a few times ought to get it jsut fine |
| 17:31.26 | sir_mud | undesktop, the package most likely says its not compatible with newer versions of libraries to be installed |
| 17:31.48 | PingFloyd | cayres: no, it went upward because you used a glob like .* |
| 17:31.53 | undesktop | sir_mud: I know what common reasons are, but I'd like to know the exact causes in particular cases |
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| 17:32.01 | cayres | PingFloyd ok thanks |
| 17:32.02 | PingFloyd | cayres: with globs that includes .. |
| 17:32.15 | sf7_ | fails thus: http://pastebin.com/m6393c51c |
| 17:32.17 | sir_mud | undesktop, use aptitude |
| 17:32.29 | PingFloyd | cayres: a better way is to use .[a-Z]* for instance to avoid that |
| 17:32.33 | assasukasse | hello can someone help me with a plain etch installation and fluxbox as wm? i have unknown problem with ssh-agent...i can't connect to the agent..is not vital, but is comfortable |
| 17:32.34 | undesktop | sir_mud: aptitude seems to be too intrusive |
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| 17:32.42 | yun | anybody know - NETMAP in iptables work over ip_conntrack or simply change ip? |
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| 17:33.47 | hark | sf7_: add contrib to your sources.. /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 17:34.12 | odla | hi i am trying to install debian via the windows installer. it seems to be working great until i have to configure my network. my problem is that the wireless network is unsecured but i have to enter my university username and id to actually access. is there some way that i could do this through the d-i? |
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| 17:34.28 | cayres | PingFloyd, yeah I'm just the poor chap that has to fix someone elses muck up |
| 17:34.44 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
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| 17:34.56 | odla | so if i wanted to go to www.google.com it would first redirect me to my university page to enter my user id and passwd |
| 17:35.04 | PingFloyd | cayres: find will be helpful |
| 17:35.26 | Madd_Matt | odla, you need this connection to use the installer? |
| 17:35.50 | odla | Madd_Matt: i think so ... unless i sit in a coffee shop for a few hours :( ... |
| 17:35.55 | odla | maybe i could try that ... |
| 17:36.04 | odla | i believe my orinoco card was detected |
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| 17:36.25 | undesktop | I tried "apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-kbd=1:1.2.0-1+1.2.1", but it refuses (wrong version in depended package or so); how can I make it to recursively/transitively install the correct versions of depended packages? |
| 17:36.32 | bhundven | yun: http://svn.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/patch-o-matic-ng/NETMAP/help?rev=3079&view=markup It doesn't seem to use conntrack... |
| 17:36.46 | Madd_Matt | odla, I haven't tried doing what you describe, and I also haven't used the windows installer, so I'm not really able to help, but it might involve some "trickery" to get it to work.... |
| 17:36.47 | valdyn | undesktop: try aptitude |
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| 17:36.58 | odla | Madd_Matt: yeah |
| 17:37.00 | odla | thanks |
| 17:37.20 | assasukasse | any idea about how can i trace down this problem to ssh-agent? i can start it manually, but when i try to add keys via ssh-add..it doesnt work.. |
| 17:37.28 | undesktop | valdyn: I stopped using aptitude a year ago or so |
| 17:37.33 | undesktop | for a reason :/ |
| 17:37.36 | simonrvn | [sep 27 : 13:37] 0-$ vt |
| 17:37.46 | yun | bhundven, tnx, how do to netmap witch conntrack? maiby SAME? |
| 17:37.53 | valdyn | undesktop: your problem, apt-get does not downgrade |
| 17:37.56 | bhundven | yun: basically, it's one-to-one nat |
| 17:37.56 | jelly | undesktop: aptitude's ui is good for resolving this sort of dependency mess |
| 17:38.28 | jelly | undesktop: or, like I said, purge all of it and reinstall the older versions |
| 17:38.29 | sir_mud | assasukasse, how doesn't it work? |
| 17:38.33 | valdyn | uh, i wasnt talking about gui, i know nothing about aptitude's gui |
| 17:38.36 | yun | bhundven, bad. need /16 netmap (( |
| 17:38.43 | undesktop | jelly: maybe, but in this case, I'm more comfortable with the commandline; aptitude was confusing and lead to unfortunate outcomes when I used it |
| 17:38.48 | assasukasse | sir_mud: well, first it doesnt start at bootup |
| 17:39.13 | jelly | valdyn: he wants to downgrade X from something sid-alike to the version in testing |
| 17:39.13 | undesktop | jelly: removing the X packages would remove all packages depending from it |
| 17:39.22 | jelly | undesktop: indeed. |
| 17:39.22 | nightfreak | hi, i'm just in the process of upgrading from sarge to etch. when i do an apt-get update, i get an error 404 not found for my mirrors. here is my sources.list http://nopaste.info/3ed997c50f.html |
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| 17:39.27 | valdyn | undesktop: you run: "aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-kbd=1:1.2.0-1+1.2.1" |
| 17:39.29 | assasukasse | sir_mud: if i manually start using ssh-agent, then when i give ssh-add i get this notice "could not connect to your authentication agent" |
| 17:39.43 | valdyn | undesktop: its like apt-get, except that it will downgrade if it has to |
| 17:39.45 | undesktop | valdyn: oh, so no ncurses gui? |
| 17:39.48 | hark | undesktop: aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-kbd/testing |
| 17:40.04 | undesktop | ok, I'll give it a try |
| 17:40.16 | sir_mud | undesktop, the gui only appears if you don't pass options on the commandline |
| 17:40.27 | valdyn | undesktop: naturally it cannot resolve all possible depends either, but just try and see.. |
| 17:40.39 | jelly | undesktop: there will also be a need to hold the packages afterwards to keep them from upgrading right back to sid |
| 17:40.48 | contrast83 | Does aptitude have an equivalent to apt-get build-dep? |
| 17:40.49 | simonrvn | assasukasse: keychain |
| 17:40.58 | valdyn | contrast83: no |
| 17:41.00 | bhundven | yun: check out this thread: http://www.ale.org/archive/ale/ale-2001-03/msg00113.html |
| 17:41.02 | simonrvn | contrast83: man aptitude |
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| 17:41.15 | assasukasse | simonrvn, yes but first i wanna know why it doesnt work..is not normal at all |
| 17:41.26 | contrast83 | valdyn: Thanks. simonrvn: Already did, just wanted to confirm. |
| 17:41.56 | simonrvn | assasukasse: "could not connect..." is an obvious error msg (to me) |
| 17:42.00 | yun | bhundven, tnx |
| 17:43.01 | assasukasse | if i send ssh-agent i get this: SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/sshblablabla; export ssh_auth_sock; ssh-agent-pid 3993; export ssh agent pid; echo agent pid 3993 |
| 17:43.18 | assasukasse | simonrvn: but why, seems ssh-agent starts fine |
| 17:43.21 | simonrvn | yes, you're supposed to eval that |
| 17:44.17 | assasukasse | simonrvn: also ps -eo args | grep ssh gives me ssh-agent |
| 17:44.22 | assasukasse | so it is running |
| 17:44.32 | undesktop | ok I'll try downgrading X, wish me good luck :/ I guess the current X session will die or so, so bye in advance |
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| 17:45.00 | simonrvn | GPG_AGENT_INFO=XXXXXX; SSH_AGENT_PID=XXXXX SSH_AUTH_SOCK=XXXXXX |
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| 17:45.09 | simonrvn | all set in my env |
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| 17:45.41 | valdyn | what's broken with sid's X? i haven't noticed anything.. |
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| 17:45.48 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 17:46.15 | valdyn | ..except that intel's support for my gfx chip _still_ sucks. |
| 17:46.18 | bhundven | I haven't had a problem with x since woody |
| 17:46.21 | undesktop | valdyn: minor keyboard problems, including https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12434 |
| 17:46.21 | streuner | broken packages |
| 17:46.32 | bhundven | granted... I don't use x much ;) |
| 17:46.54 | valdyn | undesktop: ah, right, i got that too, just doesn't bother me |
| 17:46.57 | assasukasse | simonrvn: should i set env or something too? |
| 17:47.13 | undesktop | valdyn: it doesn't bother me either, but that other problem _does_ |
| 17:47.41 | yun | bhundven, at this link one-to-one dnat/snat, need net /16 (( else need 65k one-to-one rules |
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| 17:47.59 | sf7_ | ok i got a step further.. error here: http://pastebin.com/m1a434dfe this is the prob mentioned in the orig link i was given. |
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| 17:48.07 | undesktop | that problem was: when playing a game (which uses SDL) and if I press the "s"-key, keep it pressed, and then press the Ctrl key, the ctrl key event doesn't seem to be sent to the game; this must have to do with some X updates in the last view weeks; the game didn't change and always worked in the expected way |
| 17:48.53 | valdyn | undesktop: but sent to some X window? |
| 17:49.36 | undesktop | valdyn: don't know; it just seems to be ignored |
| 17:49.39 | sf7_ | soz complete paste is: http://pastebin.com/m15effcf5 |
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| 17:50.34 | valdyn | sf7_: maybe they released a new flash that does not match |
| 17:50.38 | undesktop | valdyn: also, when pressing ctrl first and then s, behaviour is as expected |
| 17:50.52 | valdyn | sf7_: why dont you extract that tar.gz manually and copy that plugin into ~/.firefox/plugins/ ? |
| 17:51.10 | assasukasse | what can it be that i can't connect to my ssh-agent |
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| 17:51.13 | assasukasse | is quite annoying |
| 17:51.28 | sf7_ | good plan batman |
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| 17:52.55 | undesktop | interesting, downgraded X and the session still works *g* |
| 17:53.02 | Boohbah_ | http://www.lsi.com/documentation/networking/ethernet/et1310/DS06_153_ET1310_7-11-06FINAL.pdf |
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| 17:53.07 | sf7_ | can i get a treeview|fileview like xp does? |
| 17:53.08 | Boohbah_ | will someone write me a driver please? |
| 17:53.52 | Ronin | sf7_: in what? |
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| 17:54.50 | sf7_ | Ronin: Gnome |
| 17:55.03 | undesktop | g0l8z: um, is "d" registered? by you possibly? |
| 17:55.15 | silent[ca] | my system seems really slow opening files over smb |
| 17:55.47 | g0l8z | undesktop: lol |
| 17:55.51 | Ronin | sf7_: meant what file manager actually, konqueror, nautalis or how ever it is spelled |
| 17:55.59 | undesktop | g0l8z: seems like "yes, no" |
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| 17:56.24 | sf7_ | nautilus. shud i use another? |
| 17:56.27 | g0l8z | undesktop: just yes |
| 17:56.35 | silent[ca] | is there a linux file sharing protocol similar to smb? |
| 17:56.46 | dakoo | cifs |
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| 17:57.08 | silent[ca] | dakoo, that was directed at me? |
| 17:57.17 | dakoo | yes |
| 17:57.20 | silent[ca] | k, thanks |
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| 17:59.35 | dkr | uhm, cifs *is smb |
| 17:59.56 | Supaplex | they're closely related |
| 17:59.58 | dkr | Microsoft launched an initiative in 1996 to rename SMB to Common Internet File System (CIFS) |
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| 18:00.27 | dkr | I'd call the linux equivalent nfs, :) |
| 18:00.37 | bhundven | heh... they just wanted a cooler acronym |
| 18:00.39 | silent[ca] | then why does smb protocol take so damn long to transfer files? |
| 18:00.42 | silent[ca] | under linux |
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| 18:00.48 | valdyn | silent[ca]: it doesnt |
| 18:00.55 | dkr | at least my file servers have always exported the same directories with samba to my windows users and via nfs to linux users, and atalk to macs |
| 18:01.00 | dakoo | cifs has greater acl |
| 18:01.03 | Supaplex | uhm. the samba implementation is often faster |
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| 18:01.26 | Supaplex | +than windows |
| 18:01.32 | silent[ca] | doesn't seem like it atm |
| 18:01.34 | philth | Supaplex, Faster than windows or nfs? |
| 18:01.41 | dakoo | no problem copying 4 gig movie files over cat 6 in 4 minutes |
| 18:01.41 | philth | ah |
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| 18:02.14 | dakoo | using samba cifs |
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| 18:02.34 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 18:02.38 | H2OyJaBoN | Buenas!1 |
| 18:02.39 | Supaplex | !seen all |
| 18:02.39 | dpkg | all <n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 37d 8h 23m 35s ago, saying: 'howdy!'. |
| 18:02.43 | silent[ca] | ill see how long it says for a file |
| 18:03.30 | dakoo | use time |
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| 18:03.30 | dakoo | not a stopwatch |
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| 18:03.33 | silent[ca] | even opening folders on a mounted smb share takes a long time |
| 18:03.40 | silent[ca] | sooo slooow |
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| 18:03.59 | valdyn | silent[ca]: so? |
| 18:04.25 | dakoo | you have lvm or raid issues |
| 18:04.39 | silent[ca] | oh my god.. 250 kb took 30 seconds to transfer |
| 18:04.53 | valdyn | silent[ca]: the smb protocol is only one layer in many. |
| 18:05.13 | silent[ca] | my lvm just recently stopped mounting on boot |
| 18:05.30 | silent[ca] | saying the volume had not partition table. ran fsck on it and it said it was fine |
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| 18:05.45 | silent[ca] | fsckd it and it started mounting again |
| 18:06.24 | silent[ca] | I'll boot into windows and see if I can isolate whether its this client or the server causing the problem |
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| 18:07.01 | dakoo | windows users |
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| 18:14.19 | blackworker | hoi |
| 18:14.50 | undesktop | 832 people say "hi blackworker!" to blackworker |
| 18:15.28 | blackworker | i cant install debian netinstall, cause it cant read msttcorefonts from the cd |
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| 18:15.44 | blackworker | i tested 2 version but it failes |
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| 18:16.12 | sf7_ | yehay got flash workin'. thx4patience all |
| 18:16.26 | blackworker | how i can fix this? |
| 18:17.14 | sf7_ | what's a good file browser? nautilus doesnt seem to allow twinpane folders/contents view.. |
| 18:17.15 | xand | blackworker: if something can't be read from CD, either your drive or CD is faulty |
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| 18:17.38 | blackworker | my cd cant be faulty, i burned it 5 times :P |
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| 18:17.48 | blackworker | stable and etch |
| 18:17.52 | undesktop | sf7_: you could try Konqueror (but that's from KDE) |
| 18:17.52 | blackworker | it does not work :/ |
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| 18:18.04 | hark | msttcorefonts won't be on the cd |
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| 18:18.13 | undesktop | blackworker: that msttthingy downloads a font package from Microsoft, or so |
| 18:18.15 | abrotman | blackworker: what speed did you burn it ? |
| 18:18.19 | sf7_ | does that mean i need to boot into kde not gnome? how to do that? |
| 18:18.29 | blackworker | if i run check rom integrity, it failes at mstcorefonts |
| 18:18.31 | blackworker | 4x |
| 18:18.35 | blackworker | very slowly :P |
| 18:18.41 | undesktop | oh then, unrelated |
| 18:18.59 | blackworker | what menas unrelated in german? :P |
| 18:19.06 | undesktop | sf7_: no, KDE and Gnome both use X, you can run programs from both desktop environments at the same time |
| 18:19.14 | undesktop | blackworker: hat nix damit zu tun |
| 18:19.27 | blackworker | ich dreh langsam echt durch |
| 18:19.35 | undesktop | :/ |
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| 18:19.37 | blackworker | immer bei msttcorefonts_1.8_all.deb |
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| 18:20.21 | undesktop | that package shouldn't be required anymore, but I don't know how you'd stop debian netinstall to not install it... anyway, I guess it's an error with your burner/cd-rom-drive :/ |
| 18:20.50 | blackworker | damn! :( |
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| 18:21.00 | abrotman | blackworker: how big was the ISO ? |
| 18:21.00 | DaSkreech | Hello? |
| 18:21.02 | DaSkreech | Sweet |
| 18:21.07 | blackworker | it was netinstall |
| 18:21.09 | blackworker | ähm |
| 18:21.18 | blackworker | moment |
| 18:21.23 | undesktop | 835 people say "hello DaSkreech!" to DaSkreech |
| 18:21.39 | maxdoubt | is there a good way to enable pxeboot from userspace? |
| 18:21.50 | maxdoubt | would mean writing to cmos or eeprom? |
| 18:22.09 | DaSkreech | undesktop: :) It's good to be back |
| 18:22.19 | DaSkreech | assasukasse: It was my UID :) |
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| 18:22.42 | DaSkreech | ok can someone help me with assigning network interfaces names on bootup? |
| 18:22.45 | blackworker | ca 160 mb |
| 18:22.47 | blackworker | i think |
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| 18:23.11 | blackworker | its netinstall stable |
| 18:24.02 | blackworker | i wont install gentoo again, it compiles weeks on this machine :P |
| 18:24.14 | xand | DaSkreech: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 18:24.27 | DaSkreech | xand: thank you |
| 18:25.47 | blackworker | abrotman, i have a message from console: "end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 327908 | Buffer IO error on device hdc |
| 18:25.54 | blackworker | WARNNG **: bad md5sum |
| 18:26.11 | undesktop | ew |
| 18:26.23 | xand | blackworker: faulty drive or disc |
| 18:26.28 | xand | or maybe cable |
| 18:26.28 | undesktop | is hdc the cdrom? |
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| 18:26.38 | blackworker | dont know, wait i open a terminal |
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| 18:27.16 | blackworker | i cant work with this american keyboardlayout :D |
| 18:27.37 | DaSkreech | xand: how can I stop a port from getting a alias? |
| 18:27.45 | blackworker | what key is this " / "? |
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| 18:28.35 | Mole | whats the command to see netmask,network and gateway ? |
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| 18:28.49 | assasukasse | DaSkreech: ur UID? |
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| 18:29.04 | DaSkreech | xand: A little more explaination. I have a card with two ethernet ports. One of the was struck by lightning and is dead. I would like that port to stop showing up as a valid network device |
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| 18:29.16 | undesktop | aw, the downgrading broke my font support somehow |
| 18:29.21 | DaSkreech | assasukasse: I was root when I started IRC >_< |
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| 18:29.30 | assasukasse | LOL ;) |
| 18:29.53 | DaSkreech | Dumb mistake |
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| 18:30.19 | theron | trying to get a debian/Xen setup started, however, when I start the DomU I get /bin/cat: /sys/block/cciss!c0d0/cciss!c0d0p1/dev: No such file or directory and then the DomU fails to boot. I am seeing errors about the loop device on the DomO, what package is needed to get that installed? |
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| 18:30.44 | lala_stable | hellooooooo |
| 18:30.52 | xand | DaSkreech: just don't use it? |
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| 18:31.07 | undesktop | oh teh horro |
| 18:31.08 | undesktop | r |
| 18:31.26 | DaSkreech | xand: the problem is that this is a gateway machine that has a internal card and a external ( the two port) |
| 18:31.45 | undesktop | how do I query or set the X server's DPI value? |
| 18:31.50 | DaSkreech | It would be much simpler to give the internal port the same alias as the burnt out one and not change any scripts |
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| 18:32.04 | xand | DaSkreech: you can change the name in that file |
| 18:32.11 | undesktop | although I can query it from xdpyinfo |
| 18:32.14 | DaSkreech | The safest way to do that would be to make sure the port doesn't come up at all |
| 18:32.27 | DaSkreech | xand: Yeah I have already put it as eth2 |
| 18:32.39 | xand | well, edit interfaces and remove eth2 from it |
| 18:32.41 | DaSkreech | can I set it to be ifdown by default? |
| 18:32.48 | DaSkreech | Oh |
| 18:32.49 | xand | then it won't be used |
| 18:32.55 | DaSkreech | I guess that works :) |
| 18:32.57 | xand | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:33.11 | DaSkreech | right I was reading that earlier |
| 18:33.16 | simon_adameit | hi |
| 18:33.22 | DaSkreech | xand: Isn't linux grand? :) |
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| 18:33.52 | simon_adameit | How can I add Windows Vista as boot option in linux? |
| 18:34.20 | simon_adameit | lilo |
| 18:35.02 | H2OyJaBoN | is safely pass from ETCH to LENNY? |
| 18:35.19 | lala_stable | hello every1! I have a problem with k3b. every once in a while it says growisofs wasn't installed. I reinstall/purge/remove then install and the same! The sollution is to remove ~/.k3b/ but this screws my settings :( What is this, I wonder? I use Etch |
| 18:35.51 | lala_stable | don't feel like setting up k3b over and over again |
| 18:36.05 | H2OyJaBoN | simmerz, editing your bootloader.... |
| 18:36.11 | abrotman | did you install growisofs ? |
| 18:36.12 | H2OyJaBoN | sorry ! |
| 18:36.19 | abrotman | !find growisofs etch |
| 18:36.21 | H2OyJaBoN | simon_adameit, , editing your bootloader.... |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'growisofs' (3): (/usr/bin/growisofs) in utils/dvd+rw-tools ;; (/usr/include/kde/k3bgrowisofswriter.h) in libdevel/libk3b-dev ;; (/usr/share/kino/scripts/dvdauthor/growisofs.sh) in graphics/kino. |
| 18:36.41 | undesktop | ok, so downgrading xorg to a slightly older version (from sid to testing's xorg) changed my DPI value... anyone has an idea why this could happen? |
| 18:37.34 | lala_stable | <abrotman> did you install growisofs ? <-- I did. but once in a while k3b starts complaining that it's not there, although it is |
| 18:37.46 | xand | DaSkreech: yes,. |
| 18:37.51 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:37.52 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:37.58 | lala_stable | it's like yesterday I burnt a DVD, and today i can't. and growisof is still there |
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| 18:38.14 | theron | FATAL: Module loop not found. how do I correct this? |
| 18:38.22 | lala_stable | removing ~/.k3b helps, i don't know why |
| 18:38.42 | lala_stable | but this is annoying having to change the settings again |
| 18:38.56 | num000 | how can i find out if I do have the latest php version installed, when doing a aptitute install php5-common it doesn't upgrade to new version but i'm almost sure there should be one. i've 5.2.0-8+etch7 installed |
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| 18:40.22 | lala_stable | i guess i'll have to make a li'l script that deletes ~/.k3b and copies a backup of it again while k3b starts... |
| 18:40.47 | simon_adameit | h2oman: thanks, i think it already contains windows entry, will try to boot it |
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| 18:41.41 | backquote | when I am doing apt-get update for unstable, I get this error:- E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 18:41.42 | backquote | E: Error occurred while processing gpgp (NewVersion1) |
| 18:41.44 | backquote | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 18:42.46 | abrotman | !tell backquote about mmap |
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| 18:43.07 | silent[ca] | where would I find linux boot logs? |
| 18:43.15 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 18:43.17 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 18:43.17 | dpkg | i heard bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028. Not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 18:43.23 | undesktop | really weird: after xorg downgrade: gtk-gui fonts: normal size, xchat client area: fonts too small, KDE gui-font: normal, Konqueror html-fonts: normal <- anyone knows an explanation?? |
| 18:43.36 | abrotman | undesktop: you downgraded X |
| 18:43.45 | silent[ca] | its disabled by default, wonderful |
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| 18:43.48 | undesktop | abrotman: sure... and? |
| 18:43.55 | abrotman | now you're mixing ? |
| 18:44.15 | undesktop | mixing, well, true, maybe there are some mixed parts now... |
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| 18:44.21 | Th3On3 | hello |
| 18:44.38 | undesktop | off to restart upgraded-again-X |
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| 18:45.02 | Th3On3 | after upgrading to 2.6.22 -> kernel panic (/init 38 /scripts/functions) |
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| 18:45.15 | Th3On3 | initramfs |
| 18:45.25 | backquote | !tell abrotman about mmap |
| 18:45.37 | backquote | how does this !tell thing work? |
| 18:45.41 | Th3On3 | who know how to fix this ? |
| 18:45.54 | silent[ca] | it messages the person about a topic |
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| 18:46.14 | backquote | I have a stable debian and I want to download only one package which is available in unstable |
| 18:46.26 | backquote | so how do i configure my sources.list file, the unstable repo at the top or bottom? |
| 18:46.30 | silent[ca] | !tell dpkg about dpkg |
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| 18:46.36 | undesktop | well well well, after upgrading again -> same problem |
| 18:46.56 | Th3On3 | undesktop: ? |
| 18:47.01 | abrotman | vickybot: hi |
| 18:47.06 | silent[ca] | <dpkg> Isn't that a bit silly? |
| 18:47.20 | abrotman | !ops vickybot reponding to !tell foo about bar |
| 18:47.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: vickybot reponding to !tell foo about bar |
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| 18:47.27 | undesktop | Th3On3: after downgrading and upgrading X again, the fonts of some parts of the GUI are too small |
| 18:47.37 | Th3On3 | ahh ok |
| 18:47.42 | abrotman | backquote: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:47.57 | backquote | abrotman, APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; didn't fix the problem |
| 18:48.06 | abrotman | backquote: read the rest .. go higher |
| 18:48.12 | Th3On3 | after upgrading to 2.6.22 -> kernel panic (/init 38 /scripts/functions) -> some help |
| 18:48.15 | undesktop | my xorg.conf wasn't edited since over a year; time to do so |
| 18:48.55 | DaSkreech | undesktop: that's retarded :) |
| 18:49.06 | undesktop | DaSkreech: hm? |
| 18:49.17 | DaSkreech | Oh X broke? |
| 18:49.31 | undesktop | DaSkreech: font rendering broke |
| 18:49.32 | DaSkreech | I was thinking what's the point of messing with X just cause it's a year old |
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| 18:49.45 | DaSkreech | undesktop: Wouldn't that be xfs ? |
| 18:50.36 | undesktop | DaSkreech: I have no idea... fact is: I downgraded X and upgraded it again (to the old normal version), but now some fonts are smaller than they should be |
| 18:50.38 | silent[ca] | Thu Sep 27 06:47:33 2007: Mounting local filesystems...mount: No medium found |
| 18:50.38 | silent[ca] | Thu Sep 27 06:47:33 2007: ^[[31mfailed.^[[39;49m |
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| 18:50.58 | silent[ca] | could that have anything do to with my degraded fs performance (ext3, lvm, 1.2tb) |
| 18:51.34 | DaSkreech | reboot! |
| 18:52.03 | undesktop | and "DisplaySize" doesn't seem to change the DPI |
| 18:52.15 | undesktop | after 4 years of Linux it still makes a great text adventure system |
| 18:52.29 | undesktop | I just wish I had access to the cheats |
| 18:52.35 | karsten | undesktop: Is the the year of Linux on you? |
| 18:52.39 | abrotman | i think it's just the adventurer |
| 18:52.45 | silent[ca] | X11 is the cheat |
| 18:52.45 | baboo | hi, how to do ftp/ssl with filezilla on etch (sftp over ssh works but not ssl) ? |
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| 18:53.15 | undesktop | abrotman: sure, downgrading X to get around a bug was a stupid thing to do |
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| 18:53.52 | karsten | baboo: Feh. ssh FTW. |
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| 18:54.27 | karsten | baboo: Otherwise, I'd probably start reading openssl manpages to sort out diagnostics. |
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| 18:54.48 | baboo | karsten: ok, thanks |
| 18:54.50 | Trewas | I think disregarding the whole DPI concept would make everything better and easier... DPI makes no sence in general because also the watching distance should be considered and not only display DPI |
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| 18:54.55 | theron | how do I add in the loop module to a running kernel? |
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| 18:55.30 | backquote | I have 3 lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:55.30 | tuxick | whoa |
| 18:55.36 | backquote | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 18:55.42 | backquote | 2nd one is /etch/main |
| 18:55.48 | backquote | 3rd one is unstable |
| 18:55.55 | backquote | I am installing apt-get install openarena |
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| 18:56.00 | backquote | it says it 1 removed, and it lists linux-headers for removal |
| 18:56.07 | backquote | how can I prevent the removal of linux-headers, because I need it. |
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| 18:56.15 | tuxick | i'm using testing, and several packages seem to want the no longer existing apache2-common |
| 18:56.18 | Ronin | backquote: why are you mixing releases? |
| 18:56.18 | tuxick | what's the story? |
| 18:56.37 | backquote | ronin, because I am using stable and I want just one package not available in stable which I need to get from unstable. |
| 18:56.56 | Ronin | !tell backquote about simple sid backport |
| 18:57.47 | wAndyw78 | 2 samba questions: when I install samba with apt-get, the postinstall script adds all UNIX user to the samba user list. How can I invoke this manually? And, second: how can I list all rights a specific user has on a remote smb machine? I think something like ls -l * |
| 18:58.30 | peterS | tuxick: like, what packages want that? |
| 18:58.41 | peterS | tuxick: they should have all been removed by now. the package name is now apache2.2-common |
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| 18:59.14 | backquote | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch/updates main contrib <== is this a valid repo? |
| 18:59.30 | peterS | backquote: no, "etch/updates" should be "etch" |
| 18:59.45 | peterS | backquote: "etch/updates" exists on security.debian.org but not on ftp.debian.org |
| 18:59.47 | tuxick | peterS: last i noticed was egroupware |
| 19:00.02 | jeward | Say I have a 1.8T array and I need to keep the data sysnced to a remote filesystem over a 100M link. Is there something better than running rsynch against various parts of the tree periodically? |
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| 19:00.38 | tuxick | peterS: so it's up to maintainer of that deb? |
| 19:00.51 | backquote | anyone here into linux gaming? I need help. I need to know where I can download games like quake, etc. from. |
| 19:00.52 | theron | if a module isn't packaged in the kernel package that I just installed what is the easiest way to get a module loaded? |
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| 19:01.30 | backquote | Ronin, I tried backport |
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| 19:01.41 | backquote | I get this error for openarena: E: Unable to find a source package for openarena |
| 19:02.01 | peterS | tuxick: I don't see anything in egroupware that depends on apache2-common. egroupware-core depends on apache2, that's the closest thing I see |
| 19:02.09 | backquote | I have these two in my sources.list:- deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 19:02.11 | backquote | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 19:02.17 | backquote | then I did apt-get update |
| 19:02.29 | backquote | next I did apt-get build-dep openarena |
| 19:02.35 | wAndyw78 | backquote: you need the orginal CD, for quake too |
| 19:02.50 | backquote | and then I get the error message: Building dependency tree... Done |
| 19:02.52 | backquote | E: Unable to find a source package for openarena |
| 19:03.00 | backquote | so backporting is not working for openarena, why? |
| 19:03.02 | peterS | backquote: openarena isn't in stable, only in testing/unstable |
| 19:03.14 | peterS | backquote: i.e., it isn't in "etch", which is what is in your sources.list |
| 19:03.15 | Piet | hmm, shouldn't #debian-overflow be mode -i? |
| 19:03.17 | backquote | so how do I mix the stable and unstable versions in sources.list |
| 19:03.22 | tuxick | hmm |
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| 19:03.25 | tuxick | "libapache2-mod-ngobjweb: Depends: apache2-common but it is not installable" |
| 19:03.34 | tuxick | that's the last line :) |
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| 19:03.39 | backquote | now I added this line in the end of sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 19:03.40 | silent[ca] | I have 3 partitions merged to one logical volume, which usually automounts from /dev/share_vg/share_lv/ to /data as a 1.2tb storage space shared via samba. Recently the fs stopped mounting. I think this was due to it needing a fsck, but I'm not sure. I ran a fsck and it started mounting at boot again, however the filesystem performance is severely degraded. It seems as if the whole system is bogged down. smb/swat/ssh/ftp all run sl |
| 19:03.42 | abrotman | do you have a security line ? |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | backquote: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:03.57 | backquote | abrotman, backport did not work |
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| 19:04.06 | backquote | abrotman, see i have written the error message above. |
| 19:04.13 | peterS | backquote: if you want to download source packages, you have to have a deb-src line for them. |
| 19:04.25 | backquote | now I added this line in the end of sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 19:04.33 | backquote | and then did apt-get update, apt-get install openarena |
| 19:04.39 | abrotman | backquote: then you did it wrong :) |
| 19:04.40 | backquote | then it tries to remove my current linux-headers |
| 19:04.51 | peterS | backquote: you aren't listening to me. bah, never mind. |
| 19:04.58 | naitram | have dell m65 loading etch. Trying to get wireless access working. Some instructions say install ieee80211 driver. downloaded, says header files exist already. Is ieee80211 already installed |
| 19:05.06 | backquote | peterS, do I have to give deb-src for unstable? |
| 19:05.10 | abrotman | peterS: kill vickybot1 |
| 19:05.16 | abrotman | erm .. vickybot! |
| 19:05.17 | peterS | backquote: I refuse to answer on the grounds that I already did |
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| 19:05.34 | backquote | peterS, I am asking for clarification because I am confused. |
| 19:06.10 | backquote | peterS, as you could see in my above message, I did try adding deb-src line, but apt-get build-dep openarena could not find the package in stable |
| 19:06.16 | backquote | because it exists for unstable only |
| 19:06.22 | peterS | backquote: what part of "if you want to download source packages, you have to have a deb-src line for them" is unclear? |
| 19:06.23 | tuxick | aha, looks like it's just this libapache2-mod-ngobjweb messing things up |
| 19:06.39 | backquote | so I did put deb-src line. |
| 19:06.53 | peterS | backquote: you have one for unstable? you didn't mention that |
| 19:07.26 | backquote | I tried both, by keeping the last unstable line in sources.list, and by removing it and trying backport |
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| 19:08.29 | peterS | tuxick: very odd, that package has been uninstallable for almost a year, somebody should have done something about it |
| 19:09.03 | tuxick | peterS: afair that was opengroupware related :) |
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| 19:09.13 | tuxick | which is a rather slow moving project :/ |
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| 19:09.46 | tuxick | anyway, removed it and running a distupgrade |
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| 19:09.56 | tuxick | guess that'll fix matter |
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| 19:10.03 | backquote | someone please help me. |
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| 19:10.09 | backquote | what do I need to do? |
| 19:10.27 | tuxick | people told me not to use unstable unless you know what you're doing |
| 19:10.49 | zewb | backquote: i recently started a site and i have an article on how to fix that problem: http://debiantips.zewb.ath.cx |
| 19:10.56 | peterS | backquote: dunno, looks to me as though the source for openarena is available from the unstable repository |
| 19:10.58 | tdn | In the "top" program the header line is: 1 PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND |
| 19:11.03 | tdn | What is "PR"? |
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| 19:11.18 | peterS | process priority, probably |
| 19:11.31 | `nstuff | personal relations :) |
| 19:11.32 | backquote | peterS, in that case, I have to add deb-src for unstable in sources.list and then further installation would try to remove my current linux-headers. |
| 19:11.32 | tdn | peterS, hmm... But I thought the nice value (NI) was the priority. |
| 19:11.47 | tuxick | top has always been a bit vague |
| 19:11.56 | tdn | tuxick, vague? |
| 19:12.00 | DaSkreech | tdn: Priority? |
| 19:12.00 | wAndyw78 | tdN man top: h: PR -- Priority |
| 19:12.07 | zewb | backquote: check out my debiantips page |
| 19:12.08 | peterS | tdn: no, those are separate things. nice value is set by userspace and is used as a factor in calculating priority |
| 19:12.11 | abrotman | so how does stuff have a PR of 34 ? |
| 19:12.15 | abrotman | i thought 20 was the max |
| 19:12.30 | backquote | zewb: it was lame. |
| 19:12.39 | zewb | ...lol ok... |
| 19:12.40 | peterS | the scheduler decides priority based on process behavior and such |
| 19:12.51 | abrotman | !ops zewb posting porn crap links |
| 19:12.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: zewb posting porn crap links |
| 19:12.55 | tdn | peterS, what are process priorities then compared to nice values? |
| 19:12.57 | zewb | LAWL |
| 19:13.01 | tdn | peterS, oh! |
| 19:13.03 | abrotman | fucking moron got a new IP |
| 19:13.08 | tdn | peterS, yeah, ok. I understand. |
| 19:13.09 | zewb | LOLOLOLOLOL |
| 19:13.13 | zewb | I LOVE ALL OF YOU |
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| 19:13.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c-98-199-147-34.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] by peterS |
| 19:13.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 19:13.16 | abrotman | just ban texas .. it's useless |
| 19:13.33 | lala_stable | any1 knows how to make Openoffice use the same fonts as my other GTK aps? I tried the process described in /usr/share/doc/openoffice(or whatever) and it didn't work :( |
| 19:13.37 | tdn | peterS, like if a process behaves nicely it gets a higher priority. |
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| 19:14.02 | nvz | this is the same idiot who said we're lame for being online supporting debian all day.. yet he spends most of his life accomplishing nothing in here |
| 19:14.06 | backquote | cave:/opt# ls -l squake |
| 19:14.08 | backquote | -rwxrwxr-x 1 501 501 438376 1997-08-08 04:33 squake |
| 19:14.09 | backquote | cave:/opt# ./squake |
| 19:14.11 | backquote | bash: ./squake: No such file or directory |
| 19:14.13 | backquote | any idea what might be the problem? |
| 19:14.18 | garo | If i'm backing up a dirtree with rsync, can i put it all into 1 file ? |
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| 19:14.32 | peterS | backquote: probably trying to use the wrong dynamic linker, or something |
| 19:14.38 | nvz | garo: uh tar it up first? |
| 19:14.40 | peterS | backquote: 'ldd squake' will tell what linker it's trying to use |
| 19:14.44 | tuxick | heh, now i have 2 versions of postgres :) |
| 19:14.47 | tuxick | that looks wrong |
| 19:14.54 | tuxick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.54 | tuxick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.00 | backquote | cave:/opt# ldd squake |
| 19:15.01 | backquote | /usr/bin/ldd: line 117: ./squake: No such file or directory |
| 19:15.03 | peterS | tuxick: debian supports that, it's nice for migration from one to another |
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| 19:15.04 | garo | but i'm using rsync to preserver all permissions |
| 19:15.08 | DaSkreech | !modules |
| 19:15.08 | dpkg | modules is probably a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant |
| 19:15.11 | tuxick | peterS: ah cool |
| 19:15.15 | wAndyw78 | how could I import all Unix user to the samba user list? |
| 19:15.26 | tuxick | wAndyw78: manually :) |
| 19:15.35 | DaSkreech | Once I've compiled a module for the kernel shouldn't it load at start up? |
| 19:15.50 | wAndyw78 | tuxick: the debian postinstall script does this automatically... |
| 19:16.19 | tuxick | wAndyw78: really? i can imagine it's not impossible if both use same password hashing |
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| 19:16.29 | tuxick | just thought that wasn't the case |
| 19:16.43 | peterS | backquote: readelf -l squake | grep -A1 INTERP |
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| 19:17.01 | peterS | backquote: if this says it wants an interpreter other than /lib/ld-linux.so.2, what does it say? |
| 19:17.13 | backquote | readelf -l squake | grep -A1 INTERP |
| 19:17.14 | backquote | readelf: Error: 'squake': No such file |
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| 19:17.43 | backquote | sorry |
| 19:17.45 | backquote | readelf -l squake | grep -A1 INTERP |
| 19:17.46 | backquote | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.48 | backquote | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.48 | wAndyw78 | tuxick: hm, i see. I thought they were imported.... |
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| 19:18.03 | backquote | it needs ld-linux.so.1 |
| 19:18.04 | peterS | backquote: ld-linux.so.1! so it needs libc5, not libc6. 'aptitude install libc5' then |
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| 19:18.16 | Marupa | is there a way to throttle all network traffic if it's not coming from a 192 address? |
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| 19:18.31 | backquote | Package libc5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:18.32 | backquote | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:18.34 | backquote | is only available from another source |
| 19:18.45 | wAndyw78 | And how can I list all rights a specific user has on a remote SMB machine? something like "ls -l *" for smb ? |
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| 19:18.48 | UgoBoss | Hello everybody! I'm looking for help to set up lm-sensors. |
| 19:18.48 | UgoBoss | I've installed the package on my debian(sid) and ran sensors-detect; it detected a sensor and automatically added the driver to kernel modules; i reloaded the modules but when i run sensors it gives me this error "No sensors found! |
| 19:18.48 | UgoBoss | Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need." |
| 19:18.52 | peterS | backquote: hmm yeah you have to find it in sarge (debian 3.1, now called "oldstable") |
| 19:19.06 | DaSkreech | xand: Doesn't seem to be disabling the burnt port |
| 19:19.07 | backquote | ok, I'll add oldstable to my sources.list |
| 19:19.13 | DaSkreech | It still gets eth0 |
| 19:19.15 | peterS | backquote: libc5 hasn't been current in debian since ... debian 1.2 or so, 1996? |
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| 19:19.27 | joey[] | I would like to get from A thru B to C, how can I do it? I need to access over HTTPS protocol. I need proxy, right? Does it supports HTTPS? |
| 19:19.42 | streuner | UgoBoss: well, do what the script told you |
| 19:20.06 | ne0h | smbstatus |
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| 19:20.20 | streuner | UgoBoss: some newer chips might not be supported, how old is the mobo itself? |
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| 19:20.54 | UgoBoss | IVery old... It was made in 1999 |
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| 19:21.08 | tuxick | wAndyw78: not smbclient? |
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| 19:21.36 | undesktop | what package contains all the X configuration files? I want to purge and reinstall it violently using dpkg |
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| 19:21.45 | Marupa | is there any way to throttle outgoing traffic that's not from a certain range of IPs, system wide? |
| 19:21.48 | backquote | Is there any good open source search engine that I can set up in Linux? |
| 19:21.58 | wAndyw78 | tuxick: Yes, I can use smbclient and "dir" though the several shares and folders |
| 19:22.00 | nvz | undesktop: nothing contains any configuration files |
| 19:22.08 | UgoBoss | i ran "sensors-detect" but it gives me the same error, also if I reboot the machine |
| 19:22.09 | undesktop | nvz: Xsession etc. |
| 19:22.13 | nvz | undesktop: you create the configs |
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| 19:22.25 | streuner | UgoBoss: did you try "mbmon"? |
| 19:22.36 | streuner | !info mbmon |
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| 19:22.44 | dpkg | mbmon: (Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (text client)), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.05-5 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 19:22.57 | nvz | undesktop: how about explaining the problem instead of suggesting an irrational solution when asking for help |
| 19:23.03 | UgoBoss | nice... I'll try it |
| 19:23.06 | wAndyw78 | tuxick: but if you say it is possible to generate a rekursive output, then I'll read the man page a once again |
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| 19:23.57 | nvz | undesktop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, will let you make a new X config |
| 19:24.22 | nvz | undesktop: the package doesnt come with one, it makes you create it |
| 19:24.29 | nvz | as if it came with one, it would be completly useless |
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| 19:24.40 | undesktop | nvz: the problem is the following: I'm on sid and I downgraded X (or some parts of it; the xorg server at least) to testing, and then upgraded to sid again; now, _some_ fonts are smaller than they where before... end of story |
| 19:24.46 | nvz | unless you used the exact same computer as the maintainer |
| 19:24.46 | backquote | cave:/opt# ./squake |
| 19:24.48 | backquote | FindFile: can't find gfx/pop.lmp |
| 19:24.49 | backquote | Playing shareware version. |
| 19:24.51 | backquote | FindFile: can't find gfx.wad |
| 19:24.52 | backquote | Segmentation fault |
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| 19:25.16 | nvz | undesktop: elaborate on _some_ fonts? |
| 19:25.21 | peterS | backquote: thanks for pasting. why should that be interesting to any of us? |
| 19:25.25 | nvz | undesktop: its probably not even an X problem |
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| 19:25.54 | undesktop | nvz: that could well be, but I'm not able to locate the problem... |
| 19:25.56 | backquote | peterS, how to solve that? |
| 19:26.09 | nvz | undesktop: is it for example only in GTK applications? |
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| 19:26.18 | abrotman | backquote: STOP PASTING |
| 19:26.22 | undesktop | nvz: also, the fonts affected are: IceWM, GTK2 GUIs, QT GUI, but not Konqueror client html area |
| 19:26.32 | backquote | please tell me how to solve |
| 19:26.35 | peterS | backquote: you don't understand what it means when it says it can't find such-and-such files? |
| 19:26.40 | undesktop | nvz: these fonts look too small (so I first thought it was a DPI issue) |
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| 19:26.45 | backquote | but why aren't they present |
| 19:26.45 | peterS | I should think that was pretty clear |
| 19:26.51 | backquote | i downloaded it from the site |
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| 19:27.06 | peterS | backquote: why are you asking us? this isn't debian software |
| 19:27.20 | backquote | oh :-o |
| 19:27.47 | nvz | where is gravity when you need an xorg person :P |
| 19:28.09 | trumpen | after an upgrade from the oldstable to etch I found some files with the name foo.dpkg-old... what does it mean? can I delete them? |
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| 19:28.36 | nvz | trumpen: where did you find these? |
| 19:28.52 | backquote | 2 hours have passed and I could not run a single game on my PC. why do they say linux is for gamers too. |
| 19:28.54 | DaSkreech | I guess the first thing I need to sort out is how to get the internal network card to start up before the external |
| 19:28.54 | DaSkreech | can I affect when modules get loaded? |
| 19:28.56 | trumpen | nvz: for example /etc/cron.daily/mysql-server.dpkg-old |
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| 19:29.44 | DaSkreech | I guess the first thing I need to sort out is how to get the internal network card to start up before the external |
| 19:29.47 | DaSkreech | can I affect when modules get loaded? |
| 19:30.18 | nvz | trumpen: ah, I suppose you could if you wanted. its against package policy for a package to overwrite config files.. you probably told it to do that when you installed it would have prompted you to replace yours with the maintainers version, or whatever |
| 19:30.27 | undesktop | I think the cause for my problem is: I edited some script, which got removed by the downgrade, where normal updating wouldn't overwrite modified scripts; could that be possible? |
| 19:30.29 | stew | DaSkreech: why do you care what order they get loaded in? |
| 19:30.35 | backquote | I installed quake2 from debian repo, ran /usr/games/quake2, I get this error, Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx |
| 19:30.47 | DaSkreech | stew: I'm trying to assign network device name |
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| 19:30.49 | backquote | now this is coming from debian, why does this miss some files? |
| 19:30.49 | DaSkreech | names |
| 19:30.59 | stew | DaSkreech: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:31.05 | trumpen | nvz: thanks ;) |
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| 19:31.16 | nvz | undesktop: probably. you could complely purge the server and reinstall if you want I guess |
| 19:31.19 | peterS | backquote: I don't think we ever promised that debian would run some random quake binary from 1997, when you don't even install a WAD file to go with it |
| 19:31.39 | DaSkreech | stew: I know I have that set. It doesn't seem to care |
| 19:31.45 | backquote | now what is a WAD file? :-( |
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| 19:32.11 | stew | DaSkreech: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 19:32.11 | peterS | it is the game data, for doom or quake |
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| 19:32.20 | peterS | as opposed to the game engine itself |
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| 19:32.37 | Coweater | backquote: there's some script or package around that copies the game data from the cd |
| 19:32.43 | nvz | undesktop: apt-get --purge remove xorg* |
| 19:33.12 | DaSkreech | stew: .103-1 |
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| 19:33.19 | undesktop | nvz: but that'll remove all packages dependend from X |
| 19:33.21 | stew | DaSkreech: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 19:33.26 | undesktop | won't it? |
| 19:33.30 | DaSkreech | 2.6.8 |
| 19:33.35 | nvz | undesktop: packages don't generally depend on X |
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| 19:33.47 | nvz | undesktop: they depend on xlibs or such |
| 19:33.53 | undesktop | hm, true |
| 19:33.57 | stew | DaSkreech: that is why. your udev requires at least a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 19:34.02 | backquote | full form of WAD? |
| 19:34.02 | nvz | undesktop: it will ask for a confirmation after you do it, showing you what will happen |
| 19:34.12 | DaSkreech | stew: Hmm |
| 19:34.23 | DaSkreech | stew: Bite the bullet and upgrade? |
| 19:34.31 | nvz | undesktop: just wanted to remove xorg packages and nothing else for me |
| 19:34.38 | stew | DaSkreech: unless you have a good reason not to |
| 19:35.05 | undesktop | nvz: how would I install X again then? apt-get install xorg? |
| 19:35.10 | DaSkreech | stew: possible breakage :-) |
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| 19:35.21 | DaSkreech | naw i just have to recomple the module |
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| 19:35.31 | Newguy | anyone in here an electrican or been one? |
| 19:35.40 | Newguy | wondering how simltar it is to computer |
| 19:36.13 | nvz | undesktop: xserver-xorg I believe |
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| 19:36.27 | undesktop | nvz: ok I'll do that |
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| 19:36.32 | undesktop | fun guaranteed |
| 19:36.35 | nvz | undesktop: make sure you only have the sid sources you want, and do apt-get update first before reinstalling |
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| 19:36.50 | nvz | undesktop: wouldn't hurt to install apt-listbugs |
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| 19:37.09 | nvz | undesktop: cause it will query the bts first and notify you of outstanding bugs on the packages you are about to install |
| 19:37.24 | DaSkreech | stew: are all kernels xen now? |
| 19:37.42 | nvz | undesktop: I wouldn't run testing/unstable without it |
| 19:38.13 | undesktop | actually I had apt-listbugs installed, but removed it again because it caused problems at one point |
| 19:38.14 | stew | DaSkreech: no, only the ones that have 'xen' in the name |
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| 19:38.58 | DaSkreech | stew: Ah Bad grepping on my part I guess |
| 19:39.05 | sine | hi there. any ideas what software is required to read the little m2 scandisk i put in the slot |
| 19:39.13 | sine | ill aptcache search scandisk |
| 19:39.22 | nvz | sine: a linux kernel |
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| 19:40.13 | sine | so it should be built in allready |
| 19:40.24 | nvz | sine: you're quick ;P |
| 19:40.27 | sine | how do i access it, i put a usb stick i and it auto |
| 19:40.36 | sine | do i have to mount this |
| 19:40.52 | nvz | sine: I don't know wth an m2 scandisk is.. |
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| 19:41.54 | undesktop | purging X (must be crazy... :D) |
| 19:41.55 | nvz | sine: what's more important is your reader not the disk anyhow |
| 19:42.14 | nvz | sine: details would help |
| 19:42.33 | sine | its ok im googling |
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| 19:43.00 | sine | with my new elite lightening quick dillo browser |
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| 19:43.27 | wols_ | nvz: prolly "SANDisk" |
| 19:43.33 | wols_ | maker of usb flash media |
| 19:43.55 | nvz | wols_: thats what google said too |
| 19:44.08 | nvz | wols_: all he had to say was M2 the brand is irrelevant |
| 19:44.15 | undesktop | hm... is dillo still continued in development? |
| 19:44.35 | nvz | sine: or you could just tell us what kind of card reader you have and we could tell you how to set it up |
| 19:44.36 | Coweater | it's frozen |
| 19:44.51 | nvz | sine: usb ones are a breeze I figure yours is built in though |
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| 19:45.25 | nvz | sine: you'll have to check dmesg and see what the kernel says about it |
| 19:45.47 | undesktop | teh fun $ ll /proc/`pidof X`/exe lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Sep 27 21:44 /proc/23851/exe -> /usr/bin/Xorg (deleted) |
| 19:46.08 | nvz | sine: the type of card you are using is useless information the OS doesnt know or care about that. |
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| 19:46.31 | nvz | its the I/O controller that cares about that stuff |
| 19:46.36 | nvz | and talks to the OS |
| 19:47.36 | nvz | telling us what kind of card you have is like explaining to a hooker why you are paying for sex.. |
| 19:47.59 | sine | fucking housemates |
| 19:48.01 | sine | AFARRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 19:48.02 | tuxick | nvz: she might just wonder! |
| 19:48.09 | sine | m2 sandisk 1gig |
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| 19:48.20 | sine | im gonna check /media |
| 19:48.21 | nvz | tuxick: I doubt she "works" to hear your problems.. she does it for the money |
| 19:48.33 | tuxick | :) |
| 19:48.35 | nvz | or you could check dmesg or explain wtf kind of card reader you have |
| 19:48.45 | nvz | like I've been ranting about for 5 minutes now |
| 19:48.56 | sine | loool |
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| 19:49.36 | nvz | I've never used one of those built in (I assume IDE) card readers under linux.. I'd be interested to learn how those work |
| 19:49.50 | sine | you mean lspci |
| 19:50.03 | nvz | wth does lspci have to do with it? |
| 19:50.07 | wols_ | nvz: they use usb, not ide |
| 19:50.21 | nvz | wols_: ah, then its just the same as any other card reader I guess |
| 19:50.22 | sine | fs |
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| 19:50.34 | wols_ | sine: you plug the card in and check dmesg. any changes? |
| 19:50.36 | sine | how do i paste in terminal window |
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| 19:50.52 | peterS | sine: install gpm, then use left button middle button just as anywhere else |
| 19:50.58 | peterS | sine: but don't paste into an irc window kthx |
| 19:51.05 | sine | i dont have a mouse this is a laptop where is the middle button :x |
| 19:51.14 | sine | ktnx |
| 19:51.24 | nvz | sine: right mouse button or pressing both would work |
| 19:51.28 | peterS | oh you have a crappy laptop that doesn't have 3 buttons. then you use the right button to paste |
| 19:51.36 | amphi | sine: gpm will use the right button to paste with 2-button mice IIRC |
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| 19:52.01 | nvz | peterS: could be worse you could be using the 1 button mac mouse |
| 19:52.07 | sine | 08:03.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) |
| 19:52.28 | sine | i think dmesg said somthing |
| 19:52.32 | nvz | wols_: there goes your theory |
| 19:52.46 | sine | EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal |
| 19:52.47 | peterS | that's not IDE either |
| 19:52.53 | wols_ | nvz: lappies are a different thing agreed. but no IDE either |
| 19:53.06 | nvz | nope, looks like a pci disk controller |
| 19:53.12 | wols_ | bummer is: most of those laptop card readers doN't have drivers |
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| 19:53.30 | wols_ | sine: your flash is ext3 formatted? |
| 19:53.45 | argile | is there are powerpc debian channel? |
| 19:53.46 | sine | you know this laptop isnt bad sony vaio. ive only been a convert for like 8 days max but im liking it. and i do appreciate all the help that people supporting this distro are giving me |
| 19:53.56 | argile | oops: is there a powerpc debian channel? |
| 19:54.06 | sine | wols im not sure i see that message and it made me think it might be, would be strange though huh |
| 19:54.07 | DaSkreech | argile: why would there be? |
| 19:54.11 | sine | i doubt it then |
| 19:54.12 | peterS | sine: 'modinfo tifm_7xx1' |
| 19:54.26 | wols_ | sine: very. unless you fomratted it that way yourself, it's basically impossible |
| 19:54.27 | nvz | sine, wols_ tifm_7xx1 |
| 19:54.28 | argile | DaScreech: there's a ubuntu-powerpc channel. |
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| 19:54.38 | wols_ | those things are always vfat formatted when you buy them |
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| 19:54.43 | FFighter | hello folks |
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| 19:54.48 | nvz | tifm_core, tifm_sd |
| 19:54.53 | wols_ | !ppc |
| 19:54.53 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 19:54.55 | DaSkreech | argile: that's cause ubuntu doesn't support powerpc |
| 19:55.06 | argile | i just installed debian 'etch' on my powerbook and install went smooth. however, when it boots into gui, i don't see anything. i did hear a beep. |
| 19:55.09 | FFighter | what is the difference between apache2's /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and /etc/apache2/sites-available dirs? |
| 19:55.13 | DaSkreech | argile: Ha ha I was wrong |
| 19:55.14 | FFighter | they seem to have the same files |
| 19:55.19 | DaSkreech | argile: #debianppc |
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| 19:55.37 | peterS | FFighter: sites-enabled has symlinks to sites-avaialble. you can add and remove the symlinks by running a2ensite / a2dissite |
| 19:55.41 | argile | DaScreech- thanks. |
| 19:55.49 | wols_ | FFighter: yes. one is the dir for subsites you can have and the other is for the ones you actually have and symlinks back to sites-available |
| 19:55.50 | argile | DaSkreech- thanks. |
| 19:55.51 | peterS | FFighter: sites-enabled is what is actually read by apache2 to determine which virtual hosts to sercve |
| 19:56.03 | FFighter | peterS, oh cool, thanks |
| 19:56.04 | sine | no module called tifm_7xx1 |
| 19:56.07 | FFighter | wols_, thanks |
| 19:56.48 | peterS | sine: indeed, it didn't appear until kernel 2.6.20 or so. unfortunately etch ships 2.6.18 |
| 19:57.36 | nvz | sine: looks like you'll be installing a backported kernel or compiling one if you want support |
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| 19:59.11 | RvGaTe | any guides for debian on how to connect to a windows vpn server? (mchap auth, ppptp or something) |
| 19:59.14 | fbn | is there a tutorial/howto on how to use subversion for /etc ? |
| 19:59.42 | sine | shit |
| 20:00.53 | peterS | fbn: http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#in-place-import |
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| 20:01.10 | wols_ | RvGaTe: is the windows under your control or must it be mchap and the like? |
| 20:01.38 | RvGaTe | wols_, not under my controll.. |
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| 20:04.48 | sine_ | so yea anyway neighbours wifi went down, shit bastard, had to plug me fibre in |
| 20:05.10 | sine_ | so in order to update my system would that require a full install or can i do it some other way |
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| 20:06.21 | Kurin- | If I want to mirror one box to another with rsync, will `rsync -avH --delete host:/ /` work? |
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| 20:07.51 | RvGaTe | wols_, ? |
| 20:08.01 | undesktop | oh seriously, this is fucked |
| 20:08.02 | wols_ | hm? |
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| 20:08.17 | RvGaTe | wols_, thought you knew the answer :P |
| 20:08.22 | undesktop | can anyone tell me, where the DPI setting of the Xserver comes, when I start the X session using GDM? |
| 20:08.25 | wols_ | I like openvpn |
| 20:08.38 | undesktop | where can I configure the DPI value as set by GDM? |
| 20:08.43 | RvGaTe | wols_, does it come with a clear gui ? |
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| 20:09.04 | wols_ | RvGaTe: not for admining. for use: yes |
| 20:09.08 | wols_ | and good docs too |
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| 20:09.27 | wols_ | actually it doesn't really need a gui: run it as service and be done |
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| 20:09.42 | sf7_ | i can't drag a url from mozilla to the desktop as a link. it tries to open up an ftp session. any workaround? |
| 20:09.43 | wols_ | there is a gui for linux tho: carpaltunnel. never tried it |
| 20:10.18 | abrotman | sf7_: just make it a bookmark ? |
| 20:10.30 | Coweater | undesktop: gdm sets it's own, if you run gdmsetup as root, security tab, click configure x server, and remove the -dpi 100 or whatever argument sets the dpi (don't recall exactly) then it will use the one in your xorg config |
| 20:10.52 | RvGaTe | wols_, what about connecting to the windows vpn ? |
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| 20:11.23 | wols_ | RvGaTe: no clue. who in his right mind trusts MS about encrpytion and security? |
| 20:11.25 | Coweater | that's a really stupid thing they do in my opinion, since X can figure out what the proper dpi should be a lot of the time, but whatever |
| 20:11.52 | undesktop | hm gdmsetup requires that gdm is running |
| 20:11.54 | undesktop | wtf |
| 20:11.58 | RvGaTe | wols_, my boss... i dont care if its right or wrong, i just need to be able to connect to it on linux... :S |
| 20:12.19 | fbn | peterS: I thought there is a way to import /etc recursive instead of adding every directory ... you know something about that? |
| 20:12.33 | Coweater | undesktop: it is a gui and i guess it does assume you logged in with gdm |
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| 20:12.41 | RvGaTe | wols_, i personally think using windows for vpn is wank... but atm, i have no choice |
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| 20:13.16 | sf7_ | abrotman: ok but i still cant drag the link |
| 20:13.47 | sf7_ | it tries to copy the whoel html file onto my hdd |
| 20:13.48 | wols_ | it's fine for vpn clients |
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| 20:15.06 | RvGaTe | wols_, so... how do i connect to the vpn server ? |
| 20:15.11 | undesktop | Coweater: sorry, but where can I set GDM's DPI value again? I didn't notice anything about "-dpi 100" anywhere in gdmsetup |
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| 20:16.41 | abrotman | sf7_: you're uising gnome ? |
| 20:16.50 | sf7_ | ya |
| 20:17.04 | Coweater | undesktop: in the security tab, click configure x server (dunno wtf that has to do with security) |
| 20:17.08 | abrotman | maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:17.14 | wols_ | RvGaTe: how often do I have to tell you I don't know about MS-shit there |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | or anywhere! |
| 20:17.26 | RvGaTe | wols_, you never told me.. |
| 20:17.27 | undesktop | Coweater: it says "Command: /usr/bin/X -audit 0 " |
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| 20:17.37 | undesktop | Coweater: nothing about DPI... |
| 20:17.41 | wols_ | 22:11 < wols_> RvGaTe: no clue. |
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| 20:17.57 | peterS | undesktop: in the modern world, video drivers should be able to query the monitor for its dots-per-inch anyway, so hard-coding that is rather old-fashioned |
| 20:18.07 | Coweater | undesktop: hrmm, double check /etc/gdm/gdm.conf then, but as far as i know that was the only place that gdm set it |
| 20:18.08 | RvGaTe | wols_, hmm.. missed that one |
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| 20:18.39 | undesktop | peterS: I wish the whole stuff would just use a single, non-changing DPI value, so that all fonts would look the same, independent from font rendering libraries... |
| 20:19.08 | peterS | undesktop: you mean you wish computers could pretend that monitors all had the same pixel size? how 1980s of you |
| 20:19.21 | undesktop | peterS: I'm not changing my monitor |
| 20:19.23 | Coweater | dpi is dependent on your monitor's size and resolution you use so that all fonts do appear the same |
| 20:19.31 | undesktop | peterS: I always have the same |
| 20:19.49 | undesktop | peterS: yet, this stupid software mess has different DPI values all over... X, Xft, Gnome, KDE... |
| 20:20.09 | simonrvn | so set them the same and QuitYerBitchin |
| 20:20.19 | Coweater | you shouldn't have to set them |
| 20:20.30 | undesktop | simonrvn: setting them the same IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACHIEVE |
| 20:20.32 | peterS | they should all be read from the same place, namely your monitor's own opinion on the matter |
| 20:20.34 | simonrvn | no, but people can, i certainly do |
| 20:20.37 | Coweater | X can figure this crap out itself and set it, dunno why the fuck other's bother |
| 20:20.37 | abrotman | why set them at all ? |
| 20:20.42 | peterS | the X server gets info from that, and the other apps get their info from the X server |
| 20:20.57 | simonrvn | not all monitors do DDC |
| 20:21.05 | undesktop | peterS: well, so just tell me how to change GDM's DPI value |
| 20:21.08 | simonrvn | or edid or whatever it's called |
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| 20:21.30 | Coweater | undesktop: i told you, if it's not there it'll be in the gdm.conf |
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| 20:21.51 | Coweater | and if it's not set there, then it's using whatever X is using, which is good |
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| 20:22.08 | undesktop | Coweater: I'm checking that... neither that file nor /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf contain the word "dpi", though |
| 20:22.17 | peterS | undesktop: it isn't gdm, it's the X server. you just have to pass a command line arguemnt where it launches the local X server, to tell it to ignore the information it gets from the monitor because you think you're smarter than it is |
| 20:22.30 | valdyn | undesktop: why dont you add "xrandr -dpi X" to your session? |
| 20:22.30 | abrotman | place your bets! |
| 20:22.36 | sine_ | some of this software is really quite old |
| 20:22.53 | sine_ | if i upgrade to the latest latest what is there that will not work properly |
| 20:22.53 | peterS | opinion withheld re: whether I think you really are smarter than the monitor |
| 20:23.05 | sine_ | is it everyones software that they have added to that may not be stable |
| 20:23.24 | undesktop | valdyn: doesn't change the value as displayed by xdpyinfo |
| 20:23.24 | sine_ | i mean programs like cat nc and nano there is not gonna be a chance of them not working is there |
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| 20:23.47 | valdyn | undesktop: ops, --dpi |
| 20:23.51 | valdyn | undesktop: it does |
| 20:24.06 | undesktop | valdyn: yes I did with --dpi, no it doesn't (at least looks like) |
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| 20:24.41 | peterS | sine_: does your software expire? does it stop working after, say, 18 months? mine doesn't. |
| 20:24.42 | undesktop | peterS: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc contains "exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp", xdpyinfo says dpi is 81x81 |
| 20:24.48 | Bannerman | My system clock is slow, it loses 30 seconds in 10 minutes. Is there a way to make it more accurate so I don't have to sync it as often? |
| 20:25.11 | peterS | undesktop: gdm doesn't use xinit. it launches the X server on its own. |
| 20:25.23 | undesktop | peterS: well ok... |
| 20:25.52 | peterS | undesktop: anyway, what _is_ your DPI? you can figure this out by the horizontal screen resolution divided by the number of inches wide your monitor is. I'm guessing the answer is ... something close to 81 |
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| 20:26.16 | valdyn | undesktop: it does - at least starting with xorg 7.2. Maybe you're on etch, maybe etch's xorg does not do it |
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| 20:26.28 | undesktop | peterS: might well be, but now dpi=100 works better (shows my fonts as always) |
| 20:26.42 | undesktop | valdyn: sid here |
| 20:26.44 | sine_ | no there are alot of things that are out of date and dont support my new laptop, ive gone to the channel and spoke to them and they are saying that its very old, i understand that the need for stability is there but if i were to upgrade to the latest debian system its not going to be that unstable that i cant boot |
| 20:26.46 | peterS | Bannerman: if you install adjtimex and use it correctly, it can correct this |
| 20:26.58 | Bannerman | peters: thank you, I will check that out. |
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| 20:27.32 | mmInd | anyone know how I can install a ".deb" file but get all it's dependencies from apt? |
| 20:27.39 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 20:28.00 | mmInd | so, just dpkg --install it, then apt-get -f install? |
| 20:28.07 | peterS | mmInd: use 'dpkg --unpack' instead of 'dpkg --install', so that it doesn't complain about dependencies. then, as abrotman says, 'apt-get -f install'. or, as I prefer, 'aptitude -f install' |
| 20:28.08 | abrotman | try it |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | well .. yes .. use aptitude :) |
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| 20:28.37 | mmInd | awesome, thanks. |
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| 20:28.50 | Havis | I need help, after power failure, aptitude doesnt work anymore. It tells me this: E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/extended_states (1) and this E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates (1) |
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| 20:29.04 | undesktop | ok... DPI is correct now; just GTK doesn't agree yet |
| 20:29.22 | undesktop | funny thing: the xchat client area now looks as "before" |
| 20:29.37 | undesktop | (but not the GTK GUI) |
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| 20:30.35 | Bannerman | peterS: my hardware clock is actually relatively accurate, it's my system clock that is losing time rapidly |
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| 20:30.57 | undesktop | ok |
| 20:31.10 | undesktop | starting a gnome-control-center applet changes the GUI to good |
| 20:31.23 | undesktop | why the fuck? I start gnome-session-something with .xsession |
| 20:31.37 | undesktop | gnome-settings-daemon& ; disown |
| 20:31.42 | Havis | I'm using debiant testing |
| 20:31.55 | peterS | undesktop: & is a command separator, so no need for the ; after it |
| 20:32.01 | undesktop | hm... guess: it sets Xft.dpi to 100 |
| 20:32.11 | undesktop | peterS: not the point :/ |
| 20:32.11 | PingFloyd | undesktop: you do realize that each toolkit keeps it's own settings |
| 20:32.24 | undesktop | PingFloyd: sure I realized that sigh |
| 20:32.25 | peterS | PingFloyd: yes but why? |
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| 20:32.50 | undesktop | so how do I start the gnome services correctly from my .xession? |
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| 20:33.03 | zelazny | hi there |
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| 20:33.16 | zelazny | does anybody can help me to install java properly ? |
| 20:33.21 | zelazny | i do need JDK for programming |
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| 20:33.35 | undesktop | zelazny: there are packages at least in sid; these work for me |
| 20:33.36 | huhlig | download the jdk and click install |
| 20:33.36 | PingFloyd | undesktop: try gtk-theme-switch |
| 20:33.53 | undesktop | PingFloyd: gtk-theme-switch is a GUI program and only for GTK? |
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| 20:34.03 | PingFloyd | undesktop: gtk 1.x and 2.x |
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| 20:34.36 | Havis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.39 | PingFloyd | undesktop: for xaw crap it will be editing the .Xresources |
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| 20:34.54 | DaSkreech | Hi me again |
| 20:35.06 | undesktop | PingFloyd: well the problem is the following: when I start the x session, and start a GTK app, this app looks ugly; then I start a gnome-control-center app and all GTK apps change (and I suspect this Xft.dpi) |
| 20:35.26 | DaSkreech | Why would a 2.6.x kernel be loading modules from a 2.6.x-y folder ? |
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| 20:35.26 | shark | sorry |
| 20:35.26 | PingFloyd | undesktop: yes |
| 20:35.27 | shark | i was asking for java |
| 20:35.31 | undesktop | PingFloyd: .Xresources is related with that xrdb stuff isn't it? what script will read this .Xresource when? |
| 20:35.31 | shark | http://pastebin.com/m2c88f10a |
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| 20:35.36 | shark | this is the error i get |
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| 20:35.48 | shark | and for that one that told me download and press install |
| 20:35.54 | shark | is not that easy is not windows |
| 20:36.02 | shark | i wish it be |
| 20:36.40 | PingFloyd | undesktop: any programs using xaw (and related) libraries |
| 20:36.54 | undesktop | PingFloyd: oh, and GTK uses xaw too? |
| 20:37.00 | shark | anyone ? |
| 20:37.07 | DaSkreech | !java |
| 20:37.07 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 20:37.20 | DaSkreech | !install java > shark |
| 20:37.21 | PingFloyd | undesktop: but the .Xresources will usually be loaded upon starting the xserver |
| 20:37.30 | PingFloyd | undesktop: can be updated with xrdb though |
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| 20:37.34 | peterS | DaSkreech: please don't issue random commands to the bot that don't even work |
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| 20:37.52 | PingFloyd | undesktop: the former is assuming you have your X environment set up properly though |
| 20:37.59 | DaSkreech | peterS: what does work? |
| 20:38.04 | DaSkreech | pipe ? |
| 20:38.04 | shark | mmm |
| 20:38.07 | shark | so ? |
| 20:38.10 | peterS | DaSkreech: /msg dpkg tell someone about something |
| 20:38.11 | shark | !install java |
| 20:38.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using ... |
| 20:38.14 | undesktop | PingFloyd: well I don't know if my X environment is setup "properly"; maybe not |
| 20:38.14 | PingFloyd | undesktop: all the scripts related to X doing their thing etc. |
| 20:38.17 | DaSkreech | ah ok |
| 20:38.25 | abrotman | shark: please msg the bot |
| 20:38.34 | shark | i do |
| 20:38.39 | peterS | DaSkreech: the great thing about /msg is, other than the person you are trying to bother, nobody has to see it |
| 20:38.42 | PingFloyd | undesktop: there's a lot of scripts involved |
| 20:38.56 | DaSkreech | peterS: that's what I thought > did :) |
| 20:39.09 | peterS | DaSkreech: you're thinking of a different bot implementation. dpkg is a blootbot |
| 20:39.22 | undesktop | PingFloyd: and I customize at least .xsession (to setup some "extended" keys with xmodmap and to start the gnome settings daemon) |
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| 20:39.44 | DaSkreech | peterS: Apparently :) |
| 20:40.06 | PingFloyd | undesktop: it is probably being sourced by scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 20:40.13 | DaSkreech | When I upgrade my kernel do I have to tell it to look for it's module folder? |
| 20:40.21 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
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| 20:40.30 | DaSkreech | Yeah I thought not either |
| 20:40.38 | undesktop | PingFloyd: and there's a lot of nasty stuff in it :/ |
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| 20:40.55 | DaSkreech | on boot I'm getting messages about loading from /lib/modules/2.6.x-y though |
| 20:41.02 | DaSkreech | followed of course by a freeze |
| 20:41.25 | undesktop | so anyone knows if you can stop GNOME to change your X background, key repeat rate, mouse speed etc. when you start i.e. gnome control center applets? |
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| 20:41.53 | Havis | After power failure, aptitude doesnt work anymore. : E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/extended_states (1) ,and E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates (1), anyone can help? (Debian testing i386) |
| 20:42.27 | PingFloyd | undesktop: it is a big mess |
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| 20:42.44 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 20:42.52 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:42.54 | abrotman | mmm .. beer at work |
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| 20:43.07 | Madd_Matt | Havis, try opening both those files in a text editor, and look for any obviously corrupt bits, ie, half an entry at the bottom |
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| 20:43.39 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: and if they were binary? |
| 20:43.52 | Madd_Matt | abrotman, they're both text files |
| 20:43.55 | PingFloyd | undesktop: anyway, that gtk-theme-switch might come in handy |
| 20:43.56 | undesktop | PingFloyd: I guess this mess will stay there forever? |
| 20:44.04 | shark | as easy as adding that to the source.list |
| 20:44.09 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: fine .. be that way! |
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| 20:44.16 | shark | thx abrotman |
| 20:44.18 | undesktop | PingFloyd: why would gtk-theme-switch help here? |
| 20:44.29 | abrotman | to change the gtk theme |
| 20:44.32 | PingFloyd | undesktop: to set you gtk 1.x and 2.x theme |
| 20:44.37 | PingFloyd | undesktop: this includes fonts |
| 20:44.45 | abrotman | isn't there gtk-theme-switch2 for gtk2 ? |
| 20:44.48 | DaSkreech | Shouldn't the kernel be looking for modules in uname -r ? |
| 20:45.15 | undesktop | PingFloyd: oh right... the font is ok, the problem is only the DPI value (I guess having Xft.dpi in.Xresources will help here) |
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| 20:45.30 | PingFloyd | abrotman: don't know, but gtk-theme-switch package can handle both |
| 20:45.41 | xand | damn, I missed !fr |
| 20:45.51 | undesktop | yes there's gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 20:45.52 | abrotman | slacker |
| 20:46.09 | PingFloyd | undesktop: did you check the dpi with xdpyinfo | grep resol |
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| 20:46.23 | undesktop | PingFloyd: dozens of times |
| 20:46.29 | Havis | Madd_Matt: ok, but now I see that file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates doesnt exist |
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| 20:46.50 | solemnwarning | Which release of Debian and which kernel would be best for running on a 486 with 20MiB memory? |
| 20:46.52 | undesktop | and I'll chekc if it works now |
| 20:47.01 | abrotman | solemnwarning: get more RAM |
| 20:47.13 | solemnwarning | abrotman: I only want this thing as a logserver |
| 20:47.18 | abrotman | solemnwarning: get more RAM |
| 20:47.21 | solemnwarning | It's already got a crappy old version of Linux on it |
| 20:47.40 | solemnwarning | 2.0.x kernel |
| 20:47.42 | abrotman | if you get more RAM .. it can run etch |
| 20:47.56 | solemnwarning | abrotman: I need etch for a logserver? |
| 20:47.59 | abrotman | well .. it oculd probably sitll run it .. but would take 30 minutes to boot |
| 20:48.00 | FFighter | Folks, I have a doubt, when you send an email to a certain destination through a SMTP server, this SMTP server connects to the other SMTP server at the other server? |
| 20:48.10 | abrotman | solemnwarning: sarge is only likely supported til april |
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| 20:48.20 | solemnwarning | abrotman: This is a machine inside my LAN |
| 20:48.31 | solemnwarning | With minimal services, I doubt security is much of an issue |
| 20:48.31 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you can try installing sarge |
| 20:48.35 | PingFloyd | it's that the gtk-theme-switch package contains both gtk-theme-switch and gtk-theme-switch2 binaries in case you're wondering |
| 20:48.53 | abrotman | solemnwarning: but i'm pretty sure you could get some 72-pin FPM for fairly cheap |
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| 20:49.07 | solemnwarning | It's got some SIMM memory in it |
| 20:49.15 | PingFloyd | undesktop: so you run know which command to run for which along with the package name if you need to install it |
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| 20:49.51 | undesktop | PingFloyd: oh, and it still goes wrong with GTK... Xft.dpi apparently wasn't the problem |
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| 20:50.12 | solemnwarning | The current distro uses LILO and the machine doesn't seem to have a BIOS, should I stick with LILO? |
| 20:50.19 | abrotman | it has a bios |
| 20:50.20 | undesktop | GTK GUIs look ugly until I start "gnome-appearance-properties" *shrug* |
| 20:50.21 | psychoslave | hi |
| 20:50.22 | DaSkreech | It has no bios? |
| 20:50.28 | silent[ca] | My login manager bios beeps at me at the username prompt, is there a way to disable this noisy behaviour? |
| 20:50.29 | solemnwarning | It's an old x86 embedded router btw |
| 20:50.35 | abrotman | oh .. jesus .. wtf |
| 20:50.38 | solemnwarning | DaSkreech: No POST screen at least |
| 20:50.40 | psychoslave | I got a little problem |
| 20:50.46 | silent[ca] | !ask |
| 20:50.46 | tomdick | i've kind of have an embarrassing problem: i can't remember what type of cpu i have. i know it's a pentium d, but how to read the model? /proc/cpuinfo lists lots of specs but nothing like Pentium D 820 or whatever. anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:50.46 | PingFloyd | undesktop: which gtk though? the 1.x or 2.x using apps? |
| 20:50.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:50.48 | DaSkreech | ah that's different |
| 20:50.54 | undesktop | PingFloyd: 2.x |
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| 20:51.15 | PingFloyd | undesktop: gtk-theme-switch2 didn't help with that? |
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| 20:51.20 | psychoslave | I want to instal ia32-lib (I run an amd64 testing) |
| 20:51.21 | solemnwarning | Is using LILO a good idea? I havn't used it.. ever |
| 20:51.25 | abrotman | tomdick: doesn't it have a 'model name' ? |
| 20:51.26 | psychoslave | but I got this : |
| 20:51.29 | psychoslave | DĂ©paquetage de ia32-libs (Ă partir de .../ia32-libs_2.1_amd64.deb) ... |
| 20:51.29 | psychoslave | dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_2.1_amd64.deb (--unpack) : |
| 20:51.29 | psychoslave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.47 | undesktop | PingFloyd: I didn't call it, but the theme is correct; it's just the font size which is wrong |
| 20:52.04 | abrotman | UhligH_: are all the systems named after office supplies ? |
| 20:52.09 | undesktop | PingFloyd: also, before my X-desaster today, it worked fine |
| 20:52.16 | undesktop | *disaster |
| 20:53.14 | UhligH_ | systems? |
| 20:53.17 | DaSkreech | OK so here is where I am with my situation. I have a ethernet card with two ports and I am trying to blacklist one. This should be done in udev rules but it's being ignored. I can't get the internal card o work because it won't come up. udev may not be working because I have an older kernel but installing a new kernel doesn't help as it tries to boot from teh old kernels libmodues which is futile. Right now I just want to drop the name from the |
| 20:53.26 | abrotman | UhligH_: your hostmask |
| 20:53.30 | UhligH_ | oh, yes |
| 20:53.33 | undesktop | oh fuck, I'm just noticing some Konqueror fonts look wrong too :( |
| 20:53.49 | abrotman | UhligH_: can i get an account on power-stapler? :) |
| 20:54.08 | PingFloyd | undesktop: I'm sure it's just some setting somewhere that is off |
| 20:54.19 | PingFloyd | undesktop: or change in fonts |
| 20:54.53 | PingFloyd | undesktop: note though, for instance, if you had font say set to "san ..." it's going to usually pick the first san-serif font that is applicable. |
| 20:55.25 | abrotman | fonts suck! |
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| 20:55.41 | undesktop | abrotman: yes they do... in GNU/Linux |
| 20:55.45 | undesktop | that's for sure |
| 20:55.46 | tomdick | abrotman: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.66GHz |
| 20:55.53 | undesktop | I had font config problems since 4 years now |
| 20:55.56 | PingFloyd | fonts are hell in X |
| 20:55.57 | abrotman | undesktop: no .. everywhere |
| 20:55.58 | DaSkreech | udevtest tells me it can't find device names |
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| 20:56.08 | undesktop | abrotman: they worked fine on Windows since 9x |
| 20:56.13 | tomdick | abrotman: as you can see, it doesn't list the model number |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | tomdick: so you want to translate that into 805 or the like ? |
| 20:56.19 | tomdick | yeah |
| 20:56.21 | abrotman | undesktop: fonts are for girls :) |
| 20:56.45 | undesktop | well my parents also said they expected a girl |
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| 20:56.49 | PingFloyd | the problem is that there's so many different standards |
| 20:57.04 | PingFloyd | so it makes it confusing as hell sometimes |
| 20:57.16 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 20:57.17 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 20:57.18 | abrotman | tomdick: ^^ |
| 20:57.34 | abrotman | tomdick: lshw, hwinfo, dmidecode .. might help |
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| 20:57.56 | PingFloyd | undesktop: the fonts, that gnome is using, are just smaller but set at same point size? |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | tomdick: or maybe ask #hardware |
| 20:58.06 | peterS | or just read "decoding for dmies" |
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| 20:58.18 | undesktop | PingFloyd: actually, it's everywhere the same font, I believe |
| 20:58.18 | PingFloyd | undesktop: but same font? |
| 20:58.22 | maxo | hi |
| 20:58.48 | PingFloyd | undesktop: well, as you know, the DEs do extra stuff with the fonts |
| 20:58.50 | undesktop | WTF |
| 20:58.52 | maxo | I've got a quick question about chmod. I need a directory which cannot be deleted by anyone but its owner, but other users can create and delete the files and directories within that directory. What chmod would I use for that? Or isn't this possible? |
| 20:59.01 | undesktop | I started a xterm and it has a white background |
| 20:59.04 | undesktop | that's too much for me |
| 20:59.08 | undesktop | I want my old system back |
| 20:59.22 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 20:59.22 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | maxo: but i'm not sure it can be done |
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| 20:59.55 | themill | maxo: that's the same permissions as /tmp |
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| 21:00.10 | maxo | themill: how can I find out the permissions on /tmp ? |
| 21:00.12 | peterS | maxo: there is no 'delete permission'. deleting depends on _write_ permission in the _parent_ directory. |
| 21:00.19 | peterS | maxo: /tmp is mode 1777 |
| 21:00.21 | abrotman | maxo: do you want other users to be able to delete an owner's stuff in there ? |
| 21:00.50 | themill | actually the +t isn't necessary.... |
| 21:00.57 | themill | maybe |
| 21:01.11 | peterS | the +t is relevant to the issue. it all depends on exactly what he wants. |
| 21:01.14 | maxo | abrotman: not necessarily, just their own stuff would be fine. |
| 21:01.15 | themill | undesktop: so you're going to restore it from a backup, aren't you.... |
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| 21:01.28 | Bannerman | peterS: Thanks, I misunderstood from the description what adjtimex was for. I'm in good shape now. <3 |
| 21:01.36 | abrotman | maxo: then yes .. like they said .. 1777 |
| 21:01.39 | Bannerman | peterS: adjtimex solved the problem. |
| 21:01.55 | maxo | abrotman: hmmm, but 1777 still allows other users to delete the folder |
| 21:01.59 | abrotman | peterS can bend time! |
| 21:02.11 | peterS | Bannerman: yay |
| 21:02.16 | themill | maxo: no, the permissions on that folder's parent determine that |
| 21:02.20 | wols_ | abrotman: comes with being a mod |
| 21:02.22 | abrotman | maxo nope |
| 21:02.24 | wols_ | you get special powers then |
| 21:02.35 | abrotman | peterS: save the cheerleader, save the planet! |
| 21:02.57 | peterS | maxo: 1777 means: everything _in_ this directory can be deleted/renamed only by its owner (or root). but anyone can create files and dirs. |
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| 21:03.25 | Supaplex | !nuke DL|Rage^OFF |
| 21:03.46 | themill | !bitchslap DL|Rage^OFF |
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| 21:03.59 | maxo | abrotman: basically I have /somefolder . I want other users to be able to create/edit/delete files/folders within /somefolder. But only the owner of /somefolder can delete /somefolder itself. |
| 21:04.10 | abrotman | maxo: yes .. 1777 |
| 21:04.20 | abrotman | maxo: try it |
| 21:04.40 | toresbe | [3~ |
| 21:04.42 | toresbe | whoopsie |
| 21:04.46 | themill | maxo: somefolder has to live in a directory itself. Say /foo/somefolder You need to set the permissions of /foo |
| 21:06.39 | sf7_ | http://pastebin.com/m77b1f1c -- can anyone help with this compiler problem? |
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| 21:07.00 | themill | !b-e sf7_ |
| 21:07.00 | dpkg | sf7_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 21:07.06 | undesktop | this text adventure just leads to death by stress |
| 21:07.17 | tomdick | abrotman: nothing beats the mwave.com customer service: "what cpu did i order about 8 months ago?" |
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| 21:07.33 | tomdick | thanks |
| 21:07.34 | maxo | themill, abchirk, peterS : ok got it, thanks for the help :-) |
| 21:08.30 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 21:08.58 | Supaplex | !bite oem installs of windows |
| 21:08.59 | undesktop | I suspect some font renderers just take the average of some dpi values |
| 21:09.08 | Supaplex | that I gotta see. |
| 21:09.17 | sf7_ | themill: awesome |
| 21:09.34 | themill | :) |
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| 21:13.14 | Enzi | hi debian people, can someone tell me how I can setup the network config in debian for static IP instead of dhcp. |
| 21:13.29 | Enzi | is there a command that opens up a text gui to input info |
| 21:14.15 | psyche_ | hello |
| 21:14.21 | psyche_ | need little help with iptables |
| 21:14.31 | psyche_ | i need to prevent outsiders using my DNS server |
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| 21:14.42 | psyche_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.47 | themill | Enzi: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces look at man 5 interfaces for examples. |
| 21:14.47 | Supaplex | psyche_: are you using acls? |
| 21:14.59 | psyche_ | acls? |
| 21:15.02 | Enzi | ty themill |
| 21:15.20 | sf7_ | would be so nice to have evrything i type in a diff color (in the shell). can i? |
| 21:15.20 | itchi | Enzi: http://pastebin.ca/717780 |
| 21:15.25 | \amethyst | psyche_: err, first of all, that's ACCEPT |
| 21:15.39 | psyche_ | i know |
| 21:15.51 | psyche_ | i have dropped all ports 0:1023 |
| 21:15.52 | Supaplex | psyche_: I think you want DROP. Besides, that's only tcp. udp operates on both udp+tcp. yes, bind9 has acls. the finer details are in the manual. |
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| 21:16.22 | psyche_ | and then ill open what i need |
| 21:16.22 | DaSkreech | Wheee that was fun |
| 21:16.26 | DaSkreech | recursive module loading |
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| 21:16.43 | \amethyst | psyche_: what does the rule have to do with preventing outsiders from accessing your DNS? |
| 21:16.55 | \amethyst | psyche_: you mean you want to allow insiders to access your DNS? |
| 21:17.20 | psyche_ | i want to block outsiders |
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| 21:18.38 | \amethyst | psyche_: then your rule to drop 0:1023 is enough |
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| 21:19.58 | sf7_ | http://pastebin.com/me0258d4 -- says i need autoconf, libtool, automake installed. is there some bundle i should be dl'ing? |
| 21:20.32 | kwadronaut | sf7_: build-essential |
| 21:20.43 | sf7_ | oh shit im not superuser |
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| 21:21.21 | naitram | installed linux-source-2.6.18 package, trying to built intel wireless 3945 driver. error is makefile not found at /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/source/ any ideas? |
| 21:21.37 | sf7_ | no, i was su. and i installed build-essential. |
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| 21:22.59 | pickcoder | naitram: you need the kernel headers |
| 21:23.25 | pickcoder | you shouldn't need the source to build a modue |
| 21:23.34 | pickcoder | unless you are compiling it into the kernel |
| 21:23.44 | sf7_ | looks like theyre all part of the gnu toolchain. how to install that? |
| 21:24.28 | naitram | pickcoder, yeah thats what the the module does, adds to the kernel, according to the docs |
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| 21:24.38 | pickcoder | sf7: did you install gcc? |
| 21:24.39 | naitram | sf7: I think you need binutils |
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| 21:25.01 | \amethyst | sf7_: aptitude install automake autoconf libtool |
| 21:25.15 | silent[ca] | how can I get the very latest alsa build and how would I install it? The build currently on this computer isn't producing sound |
| 21:25.33 | wols_ | silent[ca]: get a newer kernel for example |
| 21:25.46 | silent[ca] | wols, I think I have the latest |
| 21:25.56 | naitram | silent[ca]: try running alsaconf |
| 21:26.00 | wols_ | which would be which version? |
| 21:26.01 | silent[ca] | k |
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| 21:26.24 | silent[ca] | 2.6.18-5 64bit |
| 21:26.26 | silent[ca] | not sure |
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| 21:26.50 | wols_ | latest is 2.6.22 right now |
| 21:26.50 | pickcoder | uname -r will tell you |
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| 21:27.13 | silent[ca] | wols, will I get better hardware detection as far as sound goes with the 22 kernel? |
| 21:27.19 | pickcoder | but that depends on your debian version, which can be seen in /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:28.31 | silent[ca] | Linux deblappy 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 01:14:54 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:28.31 | sponzor | hi |
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| 21:28.46 | sponzor | how to mount disk scsi. and the shortcut will be on desktop |
| 21:28.47 | sponzor | :P |
| 21:28.47 | Supaplex | *YAWN* |
| 21:28.55 | Supaplex | man at 3:30pm. |
| 21:28.56 | sponzor | the name of it is /dev/sda1 |
| 21:29.02 | Supaplex | !caffinate me |
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| 21:29.10 | Supaplex | yeyhou! |
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| 21:30.39 | sf7_ | ok i got evrything installed. problem: 'make not found'. http://pastebin.com/m2d554ebc is there something obvious im missing? |
| 21:30.44 | sponzor | anybody? |
| 21:30.45 | silent[ca] | pickcoder, I tried alsaconf, but I still have no sound |
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| 21:30.59 | sf7_ | this compiled on my other debian box :/ |
| 21:31.29 | pickcoder | sf7: why are you prepending make with ./ |
| 21:31.35 | DaSkreech | I'm not sure I understand modprobe.d's foramt |
| 21:31.37 | DaSkreech | format |
| 21:31.39 | sf7_ | it doesn't work either way |
| 21:31.54 | pickcoder | well it definately won't work if you specify CWD to find the binary |
| 21:31.58 | DaSkreech | should I havea line that says install driver name command_to_run ? |
| 21:32.06 | pickcoder | paste a real make error after you type "make" and hit <enter> |
| 21:32.09 | DaSkreech | so that a module is loaded on startup? |
| 21:32.33 | sf7_ | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 21:32.40 | pickcoder | is there a Makefile there? |
| 21:33.06 | pickcoder | did you need to run "configure" by chance, to create a Makefile? |
| 21:33.06 | sf7_ | theres Makefile.am and Makefile.in |
| 21:33.20 | sf7_ | i did that and it seemed to work |
| 21:33.28 | pickcoder | there is normally an INSTALL file or README |
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| 21:35.49 | DaSkreech | can I just alias the driver to some other name? |
| 21:36.13 | sf7_ | what are Makefile.am and Makefile.in? |
| 21:36.25 | pickcoder | DaSkreech: man modprobe.d |
| 21:36.36 | pickcoder | sf7_: did you read the INSTALL file? |
| 21:36.38 | DaSkreech | Doesn't exist |
| 21:36.43 | DaSkreech | try man modprobe.conf |
| 21:36.45 | peterS | sf7_: those are things that are turned into makefiles. if you don't do software development, you won't get it |
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| 21:37.10 | pickcoder | modprobe.d has a man page (5) |
| 21:37.10 | sf7_ | yer INSTALL didnt help, it just says same as tutorial did.. 'make' |
| 21:37.15 | peterS | sf7_: the tool to turn Makefile.am into Makefile.in is called automake. the tool to turn Makefile.in into Makefile is called autoconf |
| 21:37.25 | DaSkreech | not here it doesn't |
| 21:37.42 | pickcoder | man 5 modprobe.d |
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| 21:37.53 | pickcoder | or consider installing the debian docs |
| 21:37.57 | pickcoder | if there isn't one |
| 21:38.00 | DaSkreech | No manual entry for modprobe.d in section 5 |
| 21:38.18 | pickcoder | aptitude install doc-debian |
| 21:38.23 | sf7_ | so these things shud have got called when i did ./configure ? |
| 21:38.48 | sf7_ | (im doing sw dev but new to linux) |
| 21:38.49 | pickcoder | sf7_: yes.. you need to pay attention to the configure output and see if it fails anywhere |
| 21:39.05 | DaSkreech | pickcoder: It says the same thing :( |
| 21:39.07 | pickcoder | if no makefile was generated then you're missing something |
| 21:39.19 | DaSkreech | pickcoder: None of those commands load a module on boot |
| 21:40.07 | DaSkreech | Doh |
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| 21:40.37 | DaSkreech | brb |
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| 21:43.07 | wols_ | silent[ca]: if you have a HD audio soundcard: most probably yes |
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| 21:43.35 | ribnitz | heyas. vlc in sid gives a stack dump? |
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| 21:44.08 | pickcoder | ribnitz: bugs.debian.org |
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| 21:44.18 | Enzi | I can't ssh to my newly install debian box, how do I run the sshd service? |
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| 21:44.25 | sponzor | i mounted disk sda1 on /diskskazi |
| 21:44.29 | Enzi | I installed the net cd , and choose base setup |
| 21:44.30 | sf7_ | ok gottit... was referencing a library which i should have built first. thanks! |
| 21:44.32 | streuner | Enzi: apt-get install ssh |
| 21:44.36 | Enzi | it has ssh |
| 21:44.36 | sponzor | how can i make shortcut on desktop and that user can write on it? |
| 21:44.38 | Enzi | I can type ssh |
| 21:44.56 | Enzi | it has client |
| 21:44.57 | streuner | Enzi: man sshd_config |
| 21:45.02 | Enzi | ok ty |
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| 21:45.27 | sf7_ | can someone explain what 'make install' does? |
| 21:45.54 | streuner | it "installs" the files to /usr/local/<foo> |
| 21:45.59 | amphi | sf7_: make -n install | less will let you see what it does |
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| 21:47.15 | joey[] | anyone uses udev? |
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| 21:47.26 | wols_ | !anyone use udev |
| 21:47.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses udev, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:47.36 | joey[] | how do I set chown uucp:uucp /dev/ttyACM0 using it? |
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| 21:47.40 | Enzi | ok I got in woo hoo |
| 21:48.07 | undesktop | haha, removing udev would remove the kernel package for me |
| 21:48.16 | Enzi | whats the easiest way of installing php/apache and mysql in debian, instead of doing apt-get install php and all each time. |
| 21:48.18 | undesktop | strange dependency |
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| 21:48.38 | pickcoder | Enzi: type all of the package names on the same install line |
| 21:48.40 | undesktop | Enzi: what's hard using apt? |
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| 21:49.51 | argile | ping pahartik |
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| 21:50.27 | sponzor | how to make riwhat to do that the user can delete files on disk? i yust mounted disk and add it to desktop but dont know how to do that user has writes |
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| 21:51.37 | Enzi | pickcoder I mean like instead of installing apache and php seperately |
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| 21:51.43 | Enzi | and having to edit .conf to allow php |
| 21:51.44 | Enzi | etc.. |
| 21:52.03 | Enzi | is there no line to install apache with php support , or apt install php with certain support |
| 21:52.07 | Enzi | sorry not fimiliar |
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| 21:52.48 | hypn0tek | how can I open chm files ? i've done an apt-get install chmlib, but it seems that the package is not found |
| 21:52.50 | wols_ | Enzi: all you have to do is install the packages via apt. nothing else |
| 21:53.14 | pickcoder | Enzi: PHP works fine by default if you install the PHP module for apache |
| 21:53.16 | wols_ | hypn0tek: that's a library. apt-cache search libchm|grep chm |
| 21:53.29 | ribnitz | Ok. thing reported. Looks like a Wxlib (what's that lib called?) prob. |
| 21:53.40 | wols_ | ribnitz: wxwidgets? |
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| 21:54.23 | ribnitz | wols_: yep. |
| 21:54.58 | hypn0tek | thx wols_ i've done an apt-cache search chmlib, but libchm resolved the problem |
| 21:54.59 | sponzor | yust one more question :P where can i change ssh porT? |
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| 21:55.15 | wols_ | sponzor: in the sshd.conf |
| 21:55.26 | wols_ | sshd_config rather |
| 21:55.32 | fasol2 | hello |
| 21:55.40 | silent[ca] | just installed the latest alsa-drivers manually. sound is now working. sounds better than it did in windows. its pretty awesome |
| 21:55.41 | fasol2 | I'm trying to compile mod_iplimit |
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| 21:55.44 | ribnitz | wols_: 444300; should probably be upgraded from important, and perhaps re-linked to the wxwidgets lib. |
| 21:55.48 | fasol2 | and I'm getting mod_limitipconn.c:34:20: error: ap_mpm.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:55.59 | fasol2 | what files do I need to install? apache-dev ? or? |
| 21:56.01 | wols_ | !tell fasol2 about search |
| 21:56.07 | SerajewelKS | i have no seahorse master password, but it seems that i cannot set one unless i fill in the "original password" field. wtf? |
| 21:56.11 | sponzor | where is sshd.conf |
| 21:56.11 | sponzor | :P |
| 21:56.17 | dakoo | etc |
| 21:56.32 | wols_ | sponzor: sshd_config. search for it |
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| 21:56.48 | xand | sponzor: where the rest of the config files are |
| 21:56.56 | simonrvn | sponzor: dpkg -L openssh-server .... |
| 21:57.02 | ribnitz | sponzor: /etc/ssh or /etc/sshd |
| 21:57.03 | fasol2 | wolffc : [00:56] <vickybot> wols_ wants me to tell you: about search |
| 21:57.05 | fasol2 | nothing |
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| 21:57.32 | wols_ | simonrvn: config files don't show up in dpkg -L, do they? |
| 21:57.43 | simonrvn | uh, yeh |
| 21:57.47 | sponzor | tnx |
| 21:57.54 | wols_ | vickybot: stop that |
| 21:57.55 | wAndyw78 | fasol2: open google, type ap_mpm.h |
| 21:57.56 | Nyle | simonrvn: hey |
| 21:58.03 | wols_ | wAndyw78: bad advice |
| 21:58.04 | Nyle | wols_: got a tail again |
| 21:58.08 | wols_ | fasol2: dpkg told you something |
| 21:58.14 | wAndyw78 | fasol2: seems to be contained in apache2-dev |
| 21:58.21 | wAndyw78 | wols: bad? |
| 21:58.22 | silent[ca] | Its weird to say this... but I think I don't need windows anymore |
| 21:58.34 | Nyle | wols_: all files are listed, which you can filter then with grep |
| 21:58.36 | wols_ | wAndyw78: we have a way to search for stuff: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:58.37 | xand | silent[ca]: good |
| 21:58.44 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 21:58.44 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 21:59.16 | silent[ca] | switchin over to xchat brb |
| 21:59.30 | wols_ | Nyle: no. there is no /etc/ssh file when you dpkg -L openssh-server |
| 22:00.06 | warrick | if you have a wireless card that requires madwifi drivers, what's the best linux distribution |
| 22:00.24 | Nyle | wols_: umm yeh, it does |
| 22:00.27 | pickcoder | heh. s/"Many questions.."/"Most questions.." |
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| 22:00.40 | Nyle | umm.. no it does not |
| 22:00.41 | sf7_ | can i store bookmarks as files? |
| 22:00.48 | warrick | because debian looks like it is 4 GB, I can't wait that long |
| 22:00.56 | sponzor | how to restart ssh? |
| 22:01.01 | Nyle | but/etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 22:01.02 | pickcoder | warrick: get the net installer |
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| 22:01.05 | Nyle | wols_: it is in ssh-client |
| 22:01.06 | sponzor | that except new port |
| 22:01.08 | pickcoder | and install the stuff you need |
| 22:01.16 | Nyle | wols_: $>dpkg -L openssh-client|grep etc |
| 22:01.44 | simonrvn | Nyle: hi |
| 22:01.47 | Nyle | wols_: apparantly the client has the ssh_config but server still won't list sshd config stuff |
| 22:01.51 | Enzi | how come i'm getting package not found when I do apt-get install php |
| 22:01.52 | Nyle | this is a bit strange |
| 22:02.01 | warrick | pickcoder, can you do a minimum install and then just dpkg -i madwifi.deb or something |
| 22:02.17 | pickcoder | you can apt-get or aptitude install from the net repositories |
| 22:02.34 | Enzi | ha? |
| 22:02.36 | warrick | yeah but without madwifi drivers i have no network connection on this computer |
| 22:02.40 | wAndyw78 | Enzi: php5 |
| 22:02.46 | pickcoder | !info madwifi etch |
| 22:02.51 | Enzi | ooh |
| 22:02.51 | Enzi | ty |
| 22:02.57 | sponzor | how to restart ssh :P |
| 22:03.03 | pickcoder | meh |
| 22:03.03 | wols_ | Enzi: what apache version do you have? |
| 22:03.05 | pickcoder | !madwifi |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | methinks madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 22:03.28 | Nyle | why do they call it 'mad' wifi |
| 22:03.28 | Enzi | I don't have one setup but I need to setup apache 2, php 5, php5-cgi, mysql 5 , and perl |
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| 22:03.39 | Nyle | is it a pain to setup or something? |
| 22:03.44 | wAndyw78 | sponzor: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:03.46 | pickcoder | warrick: you would need to get the .debs some other way and put them on CD then |
| 22:03.54 | wols_ | then get apache2 and mod_apache_php5 |
| 22:03.56 | simonrvn | sounds like a bug to me, unless it's generated |
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| 22:05.34 | simonrvn | # Package generated configuration file |
| 22:05.34 | warrick | pickcoder: ok i'm gonna download the debs |
| 22:05.45 | simonrvn | top of sshd_config, and that's why it won't show up in dpkg -L |
| 22:05.55 | pickcoder | warrick: you'll need module-assistant and all of its depends |
| 22:06.01 | simonrvn | # See the sshd(8) manpage for details |
| 22:06.03 | Enzi | wols's that package not found |
| 22:06.05 | pickcoder | as well as matching kernel-headers |
| 22:06.09 | pickcoder | gcc, etc |
| 22:06.10 | Enzi | mod_apache_php5 |
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| 22:06.15 | streuner | !installit |
| 22:06.15 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 22:06.31 | sponzor | tnx |
| 22:06.41 | warrick | pickcoder: if I have the netinst, though... won't an updated version of madwifi be hard to install via dpkg -i |
| 22:06.42 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:07.17 | pickcoder | warrick: without a net connection, any source-compiled module will be a PITA to build the first time |
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| 22:07.55 | pickcoder | warrick: most of what you want may be on the netinst CD |
| 22:07.58 | warrick | pickcoder, ok |
| 22:08.04 | pickcoder | I've never done a complete inventory of it |
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| 22:10.54 | warrick | pickcoder, I have an idea... |
| 22:10.59 | wAndyw78 | goood night ladies |
| 22:11.08 | warrick | can I use a ipod as a usb hard disk on debian netinst |
| 22:11.31 | kritical_ | Hi there, I'm trying to do X over SSH over SSH.... but I keep getting errors saying that it can't open the display, is this even possible? |
| 22:11.33 | pickcoder | if you are a true expert at hacking the ipod drive, yes. Otherwise you can perm ruin your ipod |
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| 22:11.59 | warrick | I just mean for like copying files |
| 22:12.07 | wAndyw78 | kritical_:sure this is possible: try google for varois X over ssh tunneling howtos |
| 22:12.08 | warrick | I don't have a usb thumbdrive |
| 22:12.13 | themill | kritical_: yes -- are you using ssh -X ? |
| 22:12.19 | warrick | wait yes i do! |
| 22:12.25 | warrick | sorry I 'll just use the thumbdrive |
| 22:12.28 | pickcoder | bbias |
| 22:12.31 | kritical_ | wAndyw78, I can't find any that cover going through 2 ssh servers.... |
| 22:12.43 | kritical_ | themill, yes I am on both ssh servers |
| 22:12.43 | wAndyw78 | Ah, sorry |
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| 22:15.23 | dkr | am I misreading today's security kernel patch? it says "several local and remote" vulns. But reading the list they all look local. oh, is the permissions thing on cifs fs consider remote, perhaps? |
| 22:15.27 | NickBurnsSNL | Greetings all .. |
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| 22:17.26 | NickBurnsSNL | Apologies if this issue has already been hashed out, I've been away , but just recently dhcdbd is _constantly crashing my system. Anyone have a quick link on it? Thank you, btw. |
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| 22:20.45 | abrotman | NickBurnsSNL: bugs.debian.org have anything ? |
| 22:21.09 | sponzor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.31 | sponzor | and when you do 192.168.1.132/nagios |
| 22:21.34 | sponzor | it shows stats etc... |
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| 22:21.52 | themill | kritical_: yes, it should work... I've just done so. |
| 22:22.12 | themill | kritical_: echo $DISPLAY at each step to see if that is set |
| 22:22.29 | NickBurnsSNL | abrotman: I will check more thoroughly there, I did see stuff on Ubunutu site, but they seemed to be not current and that it was fixed. |
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| 22:25.49 | lordrich | Does anybody know if firewire is broken on Sid? My camera is no longer appearing in /dev |
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| 22:28.34 | streuner | lordrich: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:28.54 | streuner | and tell us what you changed |
| 22:29.07 | themill | streuner: wooledge.org is down today |
| 22:29.30 | shamrock | I need help with my TV out from my Nvidia card. It is wired up to produce composite video to my LCD TV. It works under windows xp just fine. I have read the vertical refresh from the windows setup and ensured it is in the xorg.conf. But all I get is a grey flicker ghost screen where you can just make out the windows beneath. Whats the next step? As I said, the ranges in the xorg.conf are within the device spec. Is it something else I |
| 22:29.30 | shamrock | have to set because it is composite video out? |
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| 22:30.06 | lordrich | Well I haven't used this camera in months, so there'll have been lots of updated packages since then |
| 22:30.17 | streuner | hm, interesting themill |
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| 22:31.40 | themill | streuner: the guys on #bash were saying that greycat's network connection went titsup (so their bot is missing and they're all lost ;) |
| 22:32.01 | master_of_master | hi, is there a tool witch I can use to check a hard disk for errors? |
| 22:32.15 | streuner | smartmontools |
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| 22:32.42 | streuner | !info smartmontools |
| 22:32.46 | dpkg | smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.37-5 (sid), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
| 22:33.03 | abrotman | streuner: greycat also didn't show up in #-ot today |
| 22:33.15 | nepbabu | streuner, abrotman g'day |
| 22:33.22 | master_of_master | i get strange log entree: http://paste.debian.net/38224 |
| 22:33.23 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:33.42 | streuner | abrotman: yeah, didnt see him #-bots too, usually its a wednesday |
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| 22:34.22 | sabane | hi |
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| 22:34.54 | sabane | how to deactivate ssh root? |
| 22:34.58 | sabane | that you can only ssh with user |
| 22:35.10 | streuner | man sshd_config |
| 22:35.12 | sabane | and when you are loged on with user than you can use su command |
| 22:35.28 | themill | sabane: PermitRootLogin no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 22:35.35 | streuner | abrotman: internet issue, something to fix.. |
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| 22:35.56 | abrotman | streuner: oh well |
| 22:36.50 | sabane | tnx |
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| 22:37.44 | sabane | when i open my ip on explorer it says it works :P how to change that? |
| 22:38.14 | dkr | explorer is a windows program. :) |
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| 22:38.35 | themill | sabane: you mean that you can browse files on your debian box from windoze explorer? |
| 22:38.52 | sabane | nono only like http |
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| 22:39.06 | sabane | when someone opens my ip its says someting like a www page :P |
| 22:39.16 | themill | sabane: don't run an http server then.... |
| 22:39.16 | dkr | ah, the default apache web page saying it works |
| 22:39.25 | wols_ | sabane: don't run a webserver then |
| 22:39.34 | dkr | sabane: just remove apache |
| 22:39.59 | sabane | apache is web server? what program is for http and etc |
| 22:40.07 | themill | !tell sabane about securing howto |
| 22:40.38 | wols_ | sabane: apache is |
| 22:40.46 | themill | sabane: web pages are served by http... so a web server talks http.... apache is a program for serving web pages |
| 22:41.13 | sabane | uf |
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| 22:42.30 | amphi | dkr: <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html> isn't the default page, is it? ;) |
| 22:43.01 | leafwiz | I just got detached from my remoteserver(laptop ran out of power) , but my pts, is still active. Is there a way to reconnect to it? Using ssh |
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| 22:43.31 | wols_ | leafwiz: no. next time use screen |
| 22:43.33 | dkr | amphi: I think it is |
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| 22:43.55 | amphi | dkr: oh, ok |
| 22:44.00 | dkr | /var/www/apache2-default/index.html:<html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html> |
| 22:44.17 | leafwiz | urk.. I do use it.. just not now.. :/ No way? |
| 22:44.18 | sabane | dont hack me :) |
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| 22:45.52 | sponzor | and how to remove apache and then what program to use to run www page |
| 22:46.26 | Contessa | remove apache ? ..hmm ... why ? |
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| 22:46.40 | sponzor | dont know why is there thats why |
| 22:46.41 | sponzor | :P |
| 22:46.52 | dkr | because you installed it. :) |
| 22:47.01 | wols_ | sponzor: first you want to remove apache then you want to serve html pages? |
| 22:47.01 | sponzor | lol :P |
| 22:47.08 | wols_ | maybe you should think before writing next timeß |
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| 22:47.52 | sponzor | so i make html file and port it somehow to apache ? |
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| 22:48.18 | Contessa | NO ..youw rite an html page and then store it in a folder in var/www/html/ |
| 22:48.20 | wols_ | you don't "port" |
| 22:48.38 | eddie | hello i have a fast question |
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| 22:48.53 | Contessa | fasr question ? ...looks frinightened ..here we go |
| 22:49.00 | eddie | When i apt-get a few items i am asked to select yes or no. |
| 22:49.05 | eddie | now can i by-pass that? |
| 22:49.06 | sponzor | ok :P |
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| 22:49.16 | Haris | Hello people |
| 22:49.25 | Haris | I have finally gotton debain 4r1 installed on vmware |
| 22:49.25 | eddie | apt-get install package --force-yes -y |
| 22:49.32 | Haris | How do I change the screen resolution? |
| 22:49.37 | eddie | dose not do what i really need. |
| 22:49.40 | wols_ | !tell Haris about drxx |
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| 22:49.55 | Haris | I gave it too big resolutions, all those that my monitor could support :p |
| 22:50.01 | irule | configure: error: no SASL backend available out of: gsasl compiling jabberd-2.1.16 on debian ethh 4.0, AFTER compiling gsasl-0.2.9 and libgsasl-0.2.9 what is missing? |
| 22:50.03 | master_of_master | is it normal, that if I create with mdadm a raid5 it hast to start with a recovery? |
| 22:50.25 | timgoh0 | master_of_master: Yes. |
| 22:50.37 | nepbabu | Dpkg-Reconfigure Xserver-Xorg hah! |
| 22:50.38 | Haris | wols_: No idea what drxx is |
| 22:50.39 | timgoh0 | Also, itym md. |
| 22:50.43 | dkr | yes, cat /proc/mdstat to see the status of the rebuild, an estimated time remaining |
| 22:50.49 | Haris | Something like Xconfigurator in redhat? |
| 22:50.56 | themill | !tell sponzor about grounding |
| 22:51.12 | master_of_master | I allways thought that a hard disk is br0ken |
| 22:51.36 | Haris | ok |
| 22:51.45 | themill | Haris: dpkg sent you some information |
| 22:51.59 | sponzor | themill tnx |
| 22:52.33 | eddie | how can i make so i do not need to a hit an botton |
| 22:52.44 | eddie | to make auto answer yes to all the questinos. |
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| 22:53.37 | wols_ | Haris: dpkg wrote you a love letter. read it. alternatively: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 22:54.37 | Haris | xserver-xorg asks too many Qs. I just want to change the screen resoliution |
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| 22:54.50 | Haris | ok |
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| 22:55.32 | Haris | how do I forcefully terminate dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 22:55.34 | wols_ | since you already have a xorg.conf: all the questions already have filled in answers. so how hard can it be? |
| 22:55.44 | wols_ | but answering the questions |
| 22:55.49 | Haris | its not hard, its lengthy |
| 22:56.01 | Haris | its 4am in the morning |
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| 22:56.21 | wols_ | Haris: then use a etch-a-sketch instead. very short usage patter. have a nice day |
| 22:56.40 | wols_ | the time you whined here you could have done drxx about 5 times by now |
| 22:57.03 | thepointer | guys i've just installed debian and im coming from a redhat background, i've been used to using yum to do package management, and now i'm trying to use apt-get. My question is basically this: i'm trying to install java for development so i know i'll need jre and jdk, how would i use apt-get to find the appropriate packages, if i was using yum i could just type yum search java, and i'd go from there |
| 22:57.22 | wols_ | apt-cache search |
| 22:57.26 | amphi | thepointer: apt-cache search foo |
| 22:57.30 | wols_ | !tell thepointer about install java |
| 22:57.45 | thepointer | ah, awesome. thank-you guys |
| 22:57.46 | cur4tor | hello. tell me please.... what is "generic timeofday". seems like it can be good option for me, but where, how and why to activate it? thanks in advance friends :) |
| 22:58.12 | Haris | yes, I'v done drxx |
| 22:58.21 | wols_ | !praise Haris |
| 22:58.22 | Haris | :| |
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| 22:58.36 | Haris | rebooting box |
| 22:58.40 | wols_ | why? |
| 22:58.41 | timgoh0 | REBOOTING? |
| 22:58.56 | Haris | its a test box, I don't care how many times I reboot it |
| 22:58.58 | amphi | burn the witch! |
| 22:59.02 | Haris | but this time, just to change the resolution |
| 22:59.03 | wols_ | Haris: rebooting kills baby jesus |
| 22:59.05 | sponzor | dont reboot it :( |
| 22:59.06 | sponzor | :P |
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| 22:59.11 | Ronin | Haris: rebootto change resolution? |
| 22:59.16 | Ronin | *blink* |
| 22:59.18 | sponzor | you will kill uptime |
| 22:59.19 | sponzor | :P |
| 22:59.24 | wols_ | Ronin: he's thorough |
| 22:59.29 | amphi | heh |
| 22:59.40 | Ronin | he's something |
| 22:59.43 | wols_ | now I also know why he's configuring his box until 4am: he can't finish earlier |
| 22:59.48 | wols_ | rootbooting costs time |
| 22:59.54 | wols_ | *rebooting |
| 22:59.55 | Haris | I changed the runlevel to 3 |
| 22:59.55 | amphi | sponzor: aren't short uptimes fashionable again? |
| 22:59.59 | Haris | it still boots into X |
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| 23:00.10 | wols_ | !tell Haris about nodm |
| 23:00.14 | Haris | debian has different runlevel for multiuser shell? |
| 23:00.23 | irule | configure: error: no SASL backend available out of: gsasl compiling jabberd-2.1.16 on debian ethh 4.0, AFTER compiling gsasl-0.2.9 and libgsasl-0.2.9 what is missing? |
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| 23:00.48 | wols_ | irule: sasl2 packages? -dev packages? |
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| 23:01.17 | Haris | no |
| 23:01.24 | Haris | I was fixing someone's qmail all night |
| 23:01.35 | Haris | need to sleep to get a fresh mind |
| 23:01.48 | dalias | qmail is unfixable :P |
| 23:01.58 | Haris | debian doesn't allow root login in X after a fresh install? |
| 23:02.10 | dalias | probably not |
| 23:02.11 | irule | wols_ libgsasl7-dev libsasl2-dev are available, I also installed them and I got the same error message |
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| 23:02.16 | dalias | root login in X is a bad idea anyway |
| 23:02.17 | Ronin | Haris: nor should it |
| 23:02.43 | dalias | root should not be running buggy gui software |
| 23:02.50 | wols_ | irule: check the configure log |
| 23:02.54 | Haris | so, had I not created a user during install, I wouldn't have been able to log in? |
| 23:03.10 | wols_ | Haris: you can always log in with root at the console |
| 23:03.13 | dalias | haris, you can just go to the console to login root |
| 23:03.14 | wols_ | and then create a user |
| 23:04.31 | irule | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.44 | irule | how can this be fixed? |
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| 23:04.52 | wols_ | !installit |
| 23:04.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 23:05.25 | dalias | wols_, read irule's problem |
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| 23:05.32 | Haris | later people |
| 23:05.34 | dalias | library error is not a !installit thing |
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| 23:05.44 | wols_ | dalias: it is. he has to install the lib |
| 23:05.47 | undesktop | try apt-get install ".*" |
| 23:05.54 | sf7_ | my path has an error: http://pastebin.com/m17bd410d where is it being set? |
| 23:05.55 | undesktop | should install everything... lol |
| 23:05.57 | dalias | do NOT do what undesktop said |
| 23:06.06 | dalias | wols_, that indicates a broken dependency then |
| 23:06.11 | wols_ | dalias: and if he doesn't know what to install, the factoid helpfully mentions "search" |
| 23:06.12 | undesktop | I'm doing it anyway |
| 23:06.13 | kspath | undesktop: that was somewhat unfunny |
| 23:06.25 | wols_ | dalias: he's compiling. who knows where the source is from |
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| 23:06.50 | dalias | oh, ok |
| 23:06.52 | dalias | sorry |
| 23:06.52 | themill | sf7_: what's the error? try echo $PATH |
| 23:07.07 | sf7_ | themill: I pastebinned it |
| 23:07.25 | undesktop | hm I guess apt-get will die allocating memory or so |
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| 23:07.46 | themill | undesktop: please go and find a bash fork bomb to run somewhere else |
| 23:08.11 | undesktop | just testing the package manager |
| 23:08.25 | themill | sf7_: I'm not seeing an error there... you asked bash to do something stupid and it told you off. Read my previous comment to you. |
| 23:08.28 | irule | ok, I have /usr/src/libgsasl-0.2.9/src/.libs/libgsasl.so.7 and /usr/src/gsasl-0.2.9/lib/src/.libs/libgsasl.so.7, so how can I install them? I thought they where installed by make install :s |
| 23:08.29 | undesktop | hmpf outputs a bunch of conflicts |
| 23:08.29 | wols_ | undesktop: but for telling what you did to people in here you should be banned |
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| 23:08.48 | undesktop | wols_: why? it's safe |
| 23:08.49 | sf7_ | doh! |
| 23:08.56 | wols_ | irule: you install them with apt-get |
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| 23:09.27 | undesktop | wols_: also, apt-get would always ask before doing anything |
| 23:09.39 | irule | wols_ well. I did, and still got an error |
| 23:09.53 | dalias | undesktop, it will OOM the system before it asks... |
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| 23:09.54 | wols_ | irule: what exactly did you install and what was the aptitude install line? |
| 23:10.10 | undesktop | dalias: no it didn't... it only allocated up to 13 mb |
| 23:10.25 | themill | undesktop: that doesn't stop you being a PITA |
| 23:10.36 | undesktop | themill: explain |
| 23:10.54 | irule | wols_ apt-get install libgsasl7-dev libgsasl7 libsasl2-dev libsasl2-2 libsasl2 |
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| 23:11.01 | wols_ | irule: cause libgsasl.so.7 IS in debian. so you compiling from source is just wrecking your package management. have a nice day |
| 23:11.12 | wols_ | undesktop: easy |
| 23:11.16 | wols_ | !moron undesktop |
| 23:11.16 | dpkg | undesktop: You are moron #46 |
| 23:11.19 | wols_ | feeling better now? |
| 23:11.33 | irule | wols_ I installed the packages BEFORE trying to compile sasl sources |
| 23:11.53 | themill | undesktop: how was this useful advice to anyone: [00:05] <undesktop> try apt-get install ".*" |
| 23:11.56 | undesktop | sigh, it was just an ironic answer to "!installit" anyway... does it hurt to have no sense for humor at all? |
| 23:12.04 | kspath | !lart undesktop |
| 23:12.06 | wols_ | < irule> ok, I have /usr/src/libgsasl-0.2.9/src/.libs/libgsasl.so.7 .... I thought they where installed by make install says otherwise |
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| 23:12.21 | themill | undesktop: well... how about I jokingly tell you to rm -rf / |
| 23:13.02 | irule | wols_ well, yes of course, THAT WAS AFTER I COULD NOT GET apt-get TO INSTALL! gees! |
| 23:13.04 | undesktop | themill: unlike your statement, my statement doesn't cause _any_ harm to your Debian system |
| 23:13.35 | wols_ | so a etch package fails to install? hard to believe |
| 23:13.52 | Ronin | !beer wols_ |
| 23:13.56 | Ronin | you're going to need it |
| 23:14.01 | undesktop | bugs in my Debian? it's more likely than you think |
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| 23:14.12 | themill | irule: not all of us have been here and following what you've been doing. Please start from the beginning. |
| 23:14.14 | irule | wols_ I dont need you to believe it, it did NOT work! |
| 23:14.25 | kspath | !lart undesktop |
| 23:14.26 | irule | thanks themill |
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| 23:14.48 | Ronin | wols_: hey dont be wasting a good beer |
| 23:14.54 | undesktop | bot be funny |
| 23:14.56 | wols_ | Ronin: I hate beer. anything with less than 10% vol is a waste. if I want to drink ethanol I want to drink ethanol. not watered down p..s :P |
| 23:15.14 | wols_ | !tea wols |
| 23:15.16 | SergIo | help plz. problem with mail config |
| 23:15.25 | wols_ | well better than beer. but not by much |
| 23:15.26 | themill | wols_: you can't really call guinness watered down piss... and it's not really beer either.... |
| 23:15.39 | Ronin | wont point out ive had outstanding beers over 10%, cant do many mind you before i fall down go boom |
| 23:15.44 | streuner | wols_: why do you think they make water into hard stuff, because they want waste water ? :-) |
| 23:15.59 | Ronin | bunch of heathens in here tonight |
| 23:16.17 | Ronin | !tell SergIo about ask |
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| 23:18.11 | wols_ | themill: well, it looks like piss, same color usually and it stinks when I smell it. all I need to know :) |
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| 23:18.50 | themill | wols_: if you're piss is the colour of guinness then you *really* need to see a doctor and soon. |
| 23:18.58 | Ronin | ya no kidding |
| 23:19.11 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:19.17 | undesktop | LOL.... but remove for all works |
| 23:19.22 | c0re | hi, im trying to install wireless drivers for my 4965agn card, and im getting this error: Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/source' |
| 23:19.33 | n3kl_ | #Kde |
| 23:19.35 | Ronin | wols_: ahh land of excellent lagers |
| 23:19.36 | wols_ | and I DO have to see a doctor because of my piss. reminds me. time for dialysis again |
| 23:19.37 | c0re | when trying to do 'make' |
| 23:19.38 | undesktop | in my case, it wants to remove 8 GB of packages |
| 23:19.44 | eddie | dose anyone here know anything about the preseed.cfg file? |
| 23:19.55 | eddie | here is the line i am using. |
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| 23:20.19 | eddie | d-i preseed/late_command string wget http://192.168.0.223/debian/autoinstall-deb-plesk -O /target/autoinstall-deb-plesk && in-target /bin/bash autoinstall-deb-plesk |
| 23:20.24 | streuner | !b-e c0re |
| 23:20.25 | dpkg | c0re: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:20.30 | eddie | is error with error code 1 |
| 23:20.40 | c0re | i already did- apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:20.41 | streuner | c0re: are the headers installed too? |
| 23:20.44 | themill | !tell c0re about ipw4965 |
| 23:20.45 | c0re | yea, |
| 23:21.00 | wols_ | c0re: headers and debian kernel source I'd say in this case |
| 23:21.11 | solemnwarning | Ok, I've got Debian installed on this 486 but there's no eth device |
| 23:21.24 | c0re | streuner, linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 is already the newest version. |
| 23:21.27 | wols_ | solemnwarning: ifconfig -a |
| 23:21.27 | themill | c0re: I've not heard of anyone getting the 4965 card working with 2.6.18... are you sure it's possible? |
| 23:21.34 | solemnwarning | The 2.0.x kernel the original system had found the device, any idea what could be up? |
| 23:21.38 | c0re | yea, http://intellinuxwireless.org |
| 23:21.40 | c0re | positive |
| 23:21.45 | solemnwarning | wols_: I did... |
| 23:22.02 | wols_ | solemnwarning: do you want a cookie for that and for not telling us what the result was? |
| 23:22.14 | solemnwarning | wols_: Nothing but lo |
| 23:22.19 | wols_ | solemnwarning: what NIC is it? |
| 23:22.19 | eddie | any ideas? |
| 23:22.23 | solemnwarning | wols_: No clue |
| 23:22.29 | solemnwarning | Some onboard chip |
| 23:22.30 | c0re | er actually themill , you might be right, i prolly need to upgrade my kernel |
| 23:22.34 | solemnwarning | I don't think I see it in lspci |
| 23:22.36 | undesktop | hm, 14 GB used, 8 GB packages data, 3,6 GB in home dir; then what's the 2 GB which are left? |
| 23:22.46 | wols_ | solemnwarning: maybe you should check then? |
| 23:22.54 | SergIo | hi! my ip changed and now i don't receive any emails |
| 23:23.00 | wols_ | btw: 486 and built in ethernet? good joke that |
| 23:23.11 | troubled | SergIo: update your mx records? |
| 23:23.11 | themill | c0re: .22 does work... .18 is older than the iwlwifi module. You're going to have some work ahead of you. |
| 23:23.12 | wols_ | SergIo: running your own MTA? |
| 23:23.25 | solemnwarning | lspci shows ALi M1489 and cirrus logic GD 5446 |
| 23:23.25 | c0re | themill, how can i upgrade to .22 |
| 23:23.40 | solemnwarning | wols_: It's an old 486 embedded router I got ahold of |
| 23:23.41 | wols_ | solemnwarning: that's nice, but neither of them is a ethernet card... |
| 23:23.53 | wols_ | one is a nortbridge the other is a vga card |
| 23:24.00 | solemnwarning | damn |
| 23:24.01 | streuner | c0re: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:24.06 | solemnwarning | I wonder how the card works :\ |
| 23:24.09 | themill | c0re: .22 source is in sid. You might be able to get .18 working with iwlwifi but you'll need someone to who has done it to help you. (i.e. not me) |
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| 23:24.22 | solemnwarning | Ah! ISA? |
| 23:24.23 | c0re | streuner, i libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:24.30 | wols_ | solemnwarning: use the old kernel again and check what driver it uses. probably a ISA NIC |
| 23:24.34 | solemnwarning | What command do I use to list ISA devices? |
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| 23:24.48 | c0re | whats easier, upgrading kernel or working with iwlwifi, themill |
| 23:24.59 | wols_ | solemnwarning: none. you can't list them unless they are PnP and have PnP correctly implemented. good luck |
| 23:25.02 | streuner | c0re: there might be a backport (backports.org), last time there was .21, not sure what they have nowadys |
| 23:25.11 | solemnwarning | gah |
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| 23:25.22 | irule | wget http://ftp.xiaoka.com/jabberd2/releases/jabberd-2.1.16.tar.bz2 ; tar xf jabberd-2.1.16.tar.bz2 ; cd jabberd-2.1.16 ; ./configure ; checking for GnuSASL version >= 0.2.14... no configure: error: no SASL backend available out of: gsasl ; apt-get install libidn11 libidn11-dev libsasl2-2 libsasl2-dev gsasl libgsasl7-dev libgsasl7 ; ./configure ; checking for GnuSASL version >= 0.2.14...... |
| 23:25.24 | irule | ...no configure: error: no SASL backend available out of: gsasl ; apt-get install libidn11 libidn11-dev libsasl2-2 libsasl2-dev gsasl libgsasl7-dev libgsasl7 ; grep sasl INSTALL "gave me ftp://alpha.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gsasl/" ; cd /usr/src ; wget ftp://alpha.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gsasl/libgsasl-0.2.9.tar.gz ; tar xf libgsasl-0.2.9.tar.gz ; ./configure ; make ; make install ; ./configure ; checking... |
| 23:25.26 | irule | ...for GnuSASL version >= 0.2.14... no configure: error: no SASL backend available out of: gsasl ; wget ftp://alpha.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gsasl/gsasl-0.2.9.tar.gz ; ./configure ; make ; make install ; ./configure ; checking for GnuSASL version >= 0.2.14... no configure: error: no SASL backend available out of: gsasl |
| 23:25.27 | wols_ | a simple sid backport of .22 works fine usually |
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| 23:25.29 | SergIo | no MTA |
| 23:25.36 | c0re | wols_, whats an sid |
| 23:25.38 | themill | c0re: .22 is in backports |
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| 23:25.47 | irule | there, that is all I did, how to you like it wol_? :P and I still get the error message! |
| 23:25.50 | wols_ | themill: since when? only the AMD64 one afaik |
| 23:25.54 | themill | !tell c0re about backports |
| 23:25.56 | troubled | wols_: wasnt there an old isapnpdump command in sarge/woody? |
| 23:26.05 | wols_ | irule: I like you SPAMMING #debian not one bit. now go away and die please |
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| 23:26.24 | themill | wols_: don't know when it arrived, probably today. 2.6.22-4~bpo40+1 |
| 23:26.34 | themill | wols_: certainly in the last couple of days. |
| 23:26.36 | c0re | themill, can i upgrade without formating |
| 23:26.49 | wols_ | c0re: yes |
| 23:26.50 | themill | formating what? |
| 23:26.53 | themill | your disk? |
| 23:26.58 | null | Question: How do I define my wireless-key as 'open' in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:27.04 | c0re | wols_, by changing my sources.list ? |
| 23:27.10 | c0re | dist-upgrade o.0 |
| 23:27.15 | wols_ | themill: what else do you format? sure some people in here could use a brain format, but that's scifi for now |
| 23:27.20 | wols_ | c0re: NO |
| 23:27.23 | c0re | lol |
| 23:27.25 | wols_ | c0re: read the factoid |
| 23:27.31 | irule | wols_ that was not spamming, I did myhomework and you are aparently incompetent, so instead of STFU you asume I dont know what I am taliking about |
| 23:27.32 | c0re | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port ? |
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| 23:27.44 | themill | !tell irule about paste |
| 23:27.47 | c0re | wols_, is that the factoid |
| 23:27.47 | wols_ | folks: did irule spam or not? |
| 23:28.00 | wols_ | !tell c0re about backports |
| 23:28.04 | themill | !tell wols_ about polls |
| 23:28.08 | wols_ | dpkg jsut messaged you a factoid about backports |
| 23:28.19 | wols_ | themill: sussudio likes me :P |
| 23:28.24 | wols_ | ...I hope |
| 23:28.46 | streuner | irule: dont spam us. |
| 23:28.49 | c0re | !tell c0re about simple sid backpor |
| 23:28.57 | c0re | !tell c0re about simple sid backport |
| 23:28.58 | wols_ | !ops vickybot as a !tell command |
| 23:28.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: vickybot as a !tell command |
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| 23:29.10 | streuner | irule: there is the paster bot available, read /topic |
| 23:29.15 | wols_ | !tell c0re about selftell |
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| 23:30.01 | FrancoGG | !ops garcian is zewb |
| 23:30.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: francogg complains about: garcian is zewb |
| 23:30.26 | themill | oh ffs... not again |
| 23:30.31 | SergIo | need assist in webmin.. i'm a noob :( |
| 23:30.38 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 23:30.38 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 23:30.39 | troubled | FrancoGG: aye |
| 23:30.39 | amphi | is it sunday already? |
| 23:30.45 | themill | SergIo: the last thing you need is webmin. |
| 23:30.45 | dvs | guess so |
| 23:30.55 | streuner | themill: hehe |
| 23:31.16 | streuner | amphi: permanent sunday ;-) |
| 23:31.22 | amphi | heh |
| 23:31.29 | streuner | !listkeys sunday |
| 23:31.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sunday' by key (15 of 21): #debian always sunday ;; #debian eternal sunday ;; #debian sing sunday ;; #debian sunday ;; _default eternal sunday ;; _default perma-sunday ;; _default permasunday ;; _default sing sunday ;; _default sunday ;; _default sunday 2 ;; announce permasunday ;; eternal sunday ;; perma-sunday ;; sing sunday ;; sunday. |
| 23:31.35 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/717909 here it goes then, this is my ugly problem, does snybody actually know what to do here? |
| 23:31.35 | nepbabu | amphi, g'day |
| 23:31.49 | streuner | amphi: /msg dpkg perma-sunday |
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| 23:32.38 | kspath | it only takes a couple of odd persons to make it seem like a Sunday |
| 23:32.42 | troubled | http://pastebin.ca/raw/717910 |
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| 23:32.57 | SergIo | maybe.. but for me in this moment webmin is a simple way |
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| 23:33.22 | streuner | ...for shooting in your foot (easy way) |
| 23:33.38 | wols_ | ....and hitting your brain while aiming at said foot |
| 23:33.54 | SergIo | :)) |
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| 23:34.33 | SergIo | ok.. then show me another way |
| 23:34.39 | streuner | nah, dont use that crap, there are reasons why these things arent in Debian anymore... |
| 23:34.42 | wols_ | !tell SergIo about grounding |
| 23:34.57 | Xjs | hey |
| 23:35.40 | kspath | !clue SergIo |
| 23:36.19 | streuner | wols_: you have to work tomorrow? |
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| 23:36.48 | c0re | ok... updating to lenny |
| 23:37.03 | kairu0 | i want to use apt-proxy to download both etch and lenny packages. is this possible? |
| 23:37.04 | themill | c0re: hang on... why? |
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| 23:37.19 | solemnwarning | wols_: If this card isn't ISA PnP will I be able to find everything required to configure the card on the original hard drive? |
| 23:37.24 | c0re | themill, what kernel version does lenny use? |
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| 23:37.34 | irule | does anybody know how to load modules? |
| 23:37.37 | SergIo | 10x then.. |
| 23:37.41 | dvs | probably |
| 23:37.42 | themill | c0re: you can use .22 with etch. it's available from backports.org |
| 23:37.49 | streuner | kairu0: in theory yes, but in practice its a easy way to shoot yourself into foot |
| 23:37.51 | c0re | mmm |
| 23:38.03 | kairu0 | streuner, how is it shooting myself in the foot |
| 23:38.03 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 23:38.04 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 23:38.31 | wols_ | solemnwarning: you should, yes |
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| 23:38.56 | streuner | irule: man modprobe |
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| 23:39.20 | Xjs | rm -rf * .o, kairu0 |
| 23:39.39 | troubled | Xjs: ummm, no! |
| 23:39.47 | solemnwarning | Good thing I installed the new system on a spare drive :) |
| 23:40.00 | troubled | kairu0: dont type that please |
| 23:40.19 | kairu0 | Xjs, 1995-style IRC trolling. NICE. |
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| 23:40.51 | themill | irule: have you googled your error message for gsasl? |
| 23:41.06 | streuner | Xjs: please dont use that command, we have bad experience with that... |
| 23:41.17 | Xjs | I know, streuner |
| 23:41.33 | troubled | Xjs: careful with them spaces ;) |
| 23:41.44 | Xjs | that was the first thing I ever typed on a linux terminal, having misunderstood the description of the joke ;-) |
| 23:41.48 | Xjs | but that's ages ago. |
| 23:41.52 | Xjs | But he asked for it. |
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| 23:41.57 | Xjs | (I forgot cd foot/) |
| 23:42.07 | themill | !lart Xjs |
| 23:42.28 | Xjs | Weird, I see a large apple on the back of my laptop. |
| 23:42.41 | dvs | Xjs: shoot it! |
| 23:42.45 | Xjs | It's glowing, should that tell me anything? |
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| 23:43.08 | kspath | Xjs: it is possessed, throw blessed water on it |
| 23:43.10 | solemnwarning | Xjs: It's posessed, stomp on it! |
| 23:43.12 | solemnwarning | hehe |
| 23:43.14 | sine | can i upgrade to sarg from etch |
| 23:43.18 | Xjs | It's mine! |
| 23:43.23 | Ronin | sine: yes |
| 23:43.25 | kspath | solemnwarning: I am faster! ;-P |
| 23:43.25 | sine | like by updating the kernel |
| 23:43.30 | streuner | sine: read release notes |
| 23:43.34 | Ronin | !tell sine about sarge>etch |
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| 23:43.39 | solemnwarning | How is 4.0->3.1 an upgrade? |
| 23:43.42 | warrick | I got my madwifi working |
| 23:43.53 | streuner | solemnwarning: heh? |
| 23:43.55 | DawnLight | he said to sarge from etch, not to etch from sarge |
| 23:43.59 | themill | solemnwarning: wtf? |
| 23:44.02 | warrick | but how do I set up networking |
| 23:44.06 | Xjs | And I actually don't like the things the churches do with holy water (or generally). |
| 23:44.11 | kspath | solemnwarning: what is wrong with Etch? |
| 23:44.17 | Ronin | sine: upgrade to sarge from etch? no you can't |
| 23:44.19 | Xjs | but byebye now, just wanted to drop by. |
| 23:44.21 | wols_ | warrick: you install wireless-tools and read the docs |
| 23:44.42 | Ronin | sarge to etch however you can do |
| 23:45.12 | sine | whos on sarge |
| 23:45.15 | sine | in here |
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| 23:45.40 | kspath | sine: solemnwarning asked about going from etch to sarge for some reason |
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| 23:45.52 | wols_ | sine: if you want to have sarge (which is a dumb idea btw) you need to reinstall when you currently run etch |
| 23:45.53 | enyc | sine: hrrm have a sarge machine... but... dont realyl use anf more |
| 23:46.01 | kspath | nvm I misread |
| 23:46.26 | themill | sine: your initial question was confusing. What are you currently running? |
| 23:46.33 | enyc | sine: i installed sarge once to test something that inst yet 'certified' for etch |
| 23:46.54 | sine | lol its just i wondered how unstable it is |
| 23:47.04 | sine | what is it that gets broke |
| 23:47.05 | enyc | sine: its okay. etch is better |
| 23:47.08 | sine | when they try to upgrade |
| 23:47.25 | enyc | sine: many things are possible in upgrade... most dont affect most people... |
| 23:47.26 | wols_ | sine: sarge is oldstable. 2 years old or so and after next april without security updats |
| 23:48.08 | sine | whats the newest one then |
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| 23:48.11 | streuner | wols_: do you know what a "Geek" is? |
| 23:48.19 | enyc | sine: Debian Etch4.0 is currest stable |
| 23:48.21 | themill | !tell sine about releases |
| 23:48.39 | wols_ | streuner: that's merkin 1337 slang. changes meaning so fast it's not worth to know, why? |
| 23:48.41 | enyc | sine: actualyl theer is Etch4.0r1 cd images etc. now (minor updates to stable release) |
| 23:49.38 | sine | im such a noob again |
| 23:49.47 | sine | lenny is what i meant |
| 23:49.52 | streuner | wols_: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek <-- read that carefully and ask yourself if you want become that ever |
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| 23:50.34 | sine | there are a few things mounting up that i want to try and get compatability for as some people know ive got a new laptop and there are a few things not supported in the etch that might work in lenny |
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| 23:51.58 | wols_ | biting off heads of live animals? while I'm no vegetarian, I doubt it |
| 23:52.00 | sabane | hi |
| 23:52.04 | wols_ | must be good for getting proteins tho |
| 23:52.06 | sabane | any good mail server pls |
| 23:52.41 | wols_ | sabane: exim4 or postfix |
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| 23:53.20 | charasky | qmail too sabane |
| 23:53.34 | marantis | i got an intel mother(f)board with builtin sound, and I have no sound. what do I do ? |
| 23:53.40 | wols_ | !qmail |
| 23:53.41 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 23:53.46 | marantis | also i can't access cdrom from windows via samba |
| 23:53.48 | wols_ | charasky: qmail is not in debian |
| 23:54.09 | wols_ | !tell marantis about install alsa |
| 23:54.17 | charasky | yes, nevertheless it is used |
| 23:54.18 | marantis | alsa is installed |
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| 23:54.23 | sabane | for debian pls |
| 23:54.32 | wols_ | !tell marantis about alsa install |
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| 23:54.36 | charasky | i use postfix sabane |
| 23:54.52 | wols_ | charasky: but this is #debian. and we rarely cover software not in debian |
| 23:55.08 | charasky | ok wolffc |
| 23:55.10 | charasky | wols_ |
| 23:55.25 | themill | wols_: (of course there is qmail-src...) |
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| 23:55.35 | wols_ | themill: down boy. DOWN! |
| 23:55.36 | sabane | is it posible when mails come that the servers "reads them" and if find some words that you nead sends those mail directy to another mail? |
| 23:55.36 | sabane | :P |
| 23:55.43 | marantis | ALSA IS INSTALLED HERE |
| 23:55.45 | wols_ | sabane: yes |
| 23:55.52 | marantis | I HAVE ALSA INSTALLED - NO SOUND |
| 23:55.55 | marantis | SHEISS |
| 23:56.05 | wols_ | marantis: go away and yell somewhere else please |
| 23:56.11 | dondelelcaro | marantis: please stop using caps |
| 23:56.11 | marantis | FUCK YOUR MOTHER |
| 23:56.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@196.218.187.38] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:56.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:56.17 | troubled | ... |
| 23:56.18 | themill | marantis: your sound might not be working, but you don't need to shout |
| 23:56.18 | sabane | lol |
| 23:56.30 | themill | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:56.47 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: vickybot has a !tell trigger. triggers on !tell xx about yy |
| 23:57.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:57.14 | *** part/#debian vickybot (n=supybot@IGLD-83-130-27-128.inter.net.il) |
| 23:57.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:57.35 | wols_ | gracias |
| 23:57.47 | streuner | we had this discussion about yesterday, IIRC |
| 23:57.57 | troubled | dondelelcaro: fyi, stew dealt with vickbot sorta. it belongs to dhy or something. /msg vicybot user list |
| 23:58.05 | wols_ | streuner: which one? about biting of heads of animals? |
| 23:58.14 | streuner | hcy |
| 23:58.16 | streuner | IIRC |
| 23:58.29 | wols_ | hcy? |
| 23:58.52 | streuner | listen to troubled, he explained that yesterday :-) |
| 23:59.34 | themill | night all! |
| 23:59.44 | wols_ | my lastlog doesn't back far enough. you people all talk too much! |
| 23:59.46 | streuner | good night themill |
| 23:59.49 | themill | enjoy perma-sunday |
