| 00:00.01 | streuner | always ;-) |
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| 00:01.55 | sine | what is the startup script calle |
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| 00:02.22 | wols_ | sine: think carefully before you ask something |
| 00:02.26 | wols_ | this question makes no sense |
| 00:02.35 | streuner | sine: rc.local or such? |
| 00:02.38 | sine | is there a boot script |
| 00:02.44 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 00:02.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 00:02.46 | sine | that loads up everything from the start |
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| 00:03.09 | wols_ | sine: init |
| 00:03.21 | streuner | !factinfo rc.local |
| 00:03.21 | dpkg | rc.local -- last modified at Thu Apr 26 14:55:47 2007 by stew!i=nulliden@mail.vireo.net; it has been requested 54 times, last by streuner, 37s ago. |
| 00:03.23 | wols_ | that's the first program the kernel calls and that does everyone |
| 00:03.38 | sine | yea ya get me blud |
| 00:03.48 | Marupa | is there a way to forward a port to a different port? like on my server I want to forward port 7007 to port 7000 so people who have port 7000 blocked can get on to a service I run. |
| 00:04.02 | sine | hum |
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| 00:05.04 | irule | can someone understand the end of this compilation? http://pastebin.ca/717948 |
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| 00:05.40 | Marupa | in other words, I want all requests trying to connect to port 7007 to internally connect to 7000, but the port /they/ connect to is 7000. |
| 00:05.49 | Marupa | er, the port /they/ connect to is 7007 |
| 00:07.09 | wols_ | irule: get a simple sid backport of libgsasl7 and its dev package |
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| 00:07.39 | irule | wols_ how? ():) |
| 00:07.45 | wols_ | Marupa: wouldn't it be easier to let the irc server listen on 7007 directly? |
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| 00:07.55 | wols_ | !tell irule about simple sid backport |
| 00:07.56 | Marupa | wols_: it's not an IRC server. |
| 00:08.20 | wols_ | Marupa: whatever it is. make it listen on 7007 then |
| 00:08.33 | wols_ | or 7000 or wherever you want |
| 00:08.55 | osmosis | does etch have php4 still ? |
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| 00:09.02 | wols_ | yes |
| 00:09.53 | osmosis | wols_: what kernel version does etch come with ? |
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| 00:10.16 | wols_ | !tell osmosis about search |
| 00:10.41 | irule | dpkg says Ask me about <backports>, how can I ask it correctly? lol |
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| 00:10.55 | stew | irule: type "/msg dpkg backports |
| 00:11.01 | stew | without the leading quote |
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| 00:11.32 | osmosis | 2.6.18 it looks like. |
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| 00:13.37 | rmaj | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apcupsd-doc_3.14.1-3_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 00:13.37 | rmaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.37 | rmaj | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 00:13.38 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 00:13.44 | rmaj | ^--- huh? |
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| 00:15.39 | bullgard4 | How is a keysym defined? |
| 00:16.13 | stew | bullgard4: what do you mean exactly? |
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| 00:17.19 | stew | bullgard4: or what are you looking to do? |
| 00:17.36 | bullgard4 | stew: /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h mentions a 'keysym'. How is this term defined? |
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| 00:21.08 | stew | bullgard4: a keysym is a name of a character, like the keysym that is generated wen you hit the keys in the home row are 'a', 's', 'd', 'f'. the keysym for '€' is 'euro', the keysym for 'á' is 'agrave' |
| 00:21.34 | stew | bullgard4: or do you mean where are they defined? |
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| 00:21.59 | bullgard4 | stew: I meant how they are defined. |
| 00:22.24 | c0re | streuner, i installed 2.6.22, and headers, but same error... Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/source' |
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| 00:22.39 | stew | bullgard4: i'm not sure if that means that I answered your question or not |
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| 00:24.26 | bullgard4 | stew: I have got now a faint idea about the meaning of the term 'keysym'. |
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| 00:25.30 | stew | bullgard4: i'm not sure if that means that I answered your question or not |
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| 00:27.30 | sixty6billy | hi, problem with wpa_supplicant - keeps scanning, authenticanting and deauthenticating over and over. losing loads of packets, dmesg is nothing but messages from the interface |
| 00:27.36 | bullgard4 | stew: 'to answer' may mean 'to just react to a questioner' or 'to provide a statement which clearly satisfies the curiosity of the questioner'. You fulfilled the first category of answering. |
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| 00:28.31 | stew | bullgard4: ask a more specific question |
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| 00:29.10 | null | Question: I apt-get installed tftpd-hpa, changed RUN_DAEMON="yes" in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, and sudo /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start says it's starting it, but it never starts. |
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| 00:30.35 | bullgard4 | stew: You said that the keysym for '€' is 'euro'. What process lead or leads from '€' to 'euro'? What is here 'euro' precisely? |
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| 00:33.22 | stew | bullgard4: i'm sorry, the keysum is actually 'EuroSign' and the keysym leads to the character, not the other way around. |
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| 00:33.34 | dendrite | null: That wasn't really a question, by the way... Try instrumenting the call to the binary with strace. |
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| 00:34.12 | null | Is our children learning? |
| 00:34.27 | null | There's your question :p |
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| 00:35.55 | stew | bullgard4: when you hit a key on the keyboard, the keyboard sends a keycode to the computer, then your x server has a keymap, it maps this keycode to a keysym, they idea of the keymap is to map "i just got this signal from the keyboard' to 'the user hit the 'a' key' |
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| 00:36.25 | Cooner750 | hello |
| 00:36.34 | null | Hi! |
| 00:36.51 | Cooner750 | I think I might have faith in Debian again |
| 00:36.52 | EruditeHermit | hey I recently upgraded to xorg 1.4 server and radeon 6.7.194-1 driver and the DisplaySize option in xorg.conf is no longer setting the correct DPI. I need 147dpi but I am getting 96dpi which is the fallback. Can anyone help? |
| 00:36.58 | Cooner750 | It installed tonight faster than it ever has in the past |
| 00:37.00 | null | Why did you lose faith in the first place? |
| 00:37.10 | Cooner750 | I haven't used Debian since Sarge |
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| 00:37.15 | null | Why not? |
| 00:37.24 | Cooner750 | Because I felt it was very outdated |
| 00:37.35 | Cooner750 | Installation took forever |
| 00:38.10 | Cooner750 | I had rPath on my secondary server here, and it stopped working today after a partial hard drive failure did damage to the partitions. So I installed a new drive and put Debian on it |
| 00:38.20 | gravity | EruditeHermit: Can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a paster? |
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| 00:38.48 | EruditeHermit | gravity: yep one sec |
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| 00:39.21 | stew | gravity: 7.3 is great for me on lenny, btw. i've never actually seen xrandr do anything besides resize |
| 00:39.30 | null | dendrite: strace most certainly shows failure... I think. I'll just install xinetd. |
| 00:39.30 | bullgard4 | stew: I do not believe that your last answer describes the essence of the term 'keysym' precisely. -- Thank you that you tried to help me. |
| 00:39.50 | gravity | EruditeHermit: You should try using xrandr to set your dpi. It has a --dpi switch |
| 00:39.57 | gravity | But the log file will help figure out what's going on |
| 00:40.05 | dendrite | null: For instance, "strace -eopen <binary> ..." |
| 00:40.08 | gravity | stew: That's mainly what it's supposed to do |
| 00:40.20 | dendrite | null: Which will quickly show if the failure is due to a file open error. |
| 00:40.22 | stew | gravity: (i mean, never before 7.3, but now it does reflections and rotations) |
| 00:40.30 | gravity | stew: Ah, ok |
| 00:40.43 | EruditeHermit | gravity: http://rafb.net/p/1tL4yF84.html |
| 00:40.48 | stew | bullgard4: it names a character. thats it, its just a name for an actual character |
| 00:40.49 | EruditeHermit | erk |
| 00:40.50 | EruditeHermit | one sec |
| 00:40.58 | EruditeHermit | brain faded |
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| 00:41.51 | bullgard4 | stew: I will take this as a working hypothesis and see how I come along with it. -- Thank you again. |
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| 00:44.04 | EruditeHermit | gravity: http://rafb.net/p/iC3W5F86.html is what you want |
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| 00:46.33 | EruditeHermit | gravity: xrandr switch works |
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| 00:47.11 | undesktop | xrandr --dpi didn't work for me |
| 00:47.32 | EruditeHermit | gravity: but it only works for newly started apps and I don't want to have to do that every time I boot up |
| 00:47.53 | gravity | EruditeHermit: Your log says it's at 148 dpi |
| 00:48.18 | gravity | (line 642) |
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| 00:48.34 | EruditeHermit | gravity: xdpyinfo says different |
| 00:48.50 | EruditeHermit | and I can tell as the text is tiny |
| 00:48.55 | gravity | Ok |
| 00:49.03 | gravity | Either way, you should file a bug about that... |
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| 00:49.14 | stew | that's a known gnome bug afaik |
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| 00:49.22 | gravity | stew: Oh, that's right. I'd forgotten. |
| 00:49.38 | gravity | gnome used to hardcode 96 dpi |
| 00:50.19 | EruditeHermit | gravity: gnome allows you to set DPI actually now with gconf-editor |
| 00:50.26 | dannys | libwnck18 (>=2.18.2) but it is not installable |
| 00:50.29 | dannys | why? |
| 00:50.41 | gravity | EruditeHermit: Could you try something other than gnome to see if that's where the problem is? |
| 00:50.49 | EruditeHermit | gravity: oh I am on KDE now |
| 00:50.51 | stew | EruditeHermit: go to System > Preferences > Appearance |
| 00:50.53 | gravity | Argh |
| 00:51.05 | gravity | EruditeHermit: Ok yeah. File a bug against the X server using reportbug please? |
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| 00:51.12 | EruditeHermit | gravity: with gnome I can set it to 145 using gnome itself |
| 00:51.17 | EruditeHermit | gravity: ok |
| 00:51.18 | gravity | This one might be a dup, but I don't recall seeing it in the debian bts |
| 00:51.25 | gravity | brice will know better |
| 00:51.50 | dcorbin | I assume I in looking in the wrong way, but I can't find mod_auth_ldap for apache2. Any pointers? |
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| 00:54.40 | sdubois92 | how do I install a .deb file? |
| 00:54.50 | undesktop | dpkg -i bla.deb |
| 00:54.51 | epsilon | dpkg |
| 00:54.51 | dpkg | package bla.deb is already installed |
| 00:54.58 | dserban | So... simple question: I run FIAIF and like every single firewalling script, it likes to pollute dmesg and the console. I know there's a switch to turn it off, but it escapes me, something to do with printk? Anyone have a clue? |
| 00:55.56 | maddash | hm, everyone's using 'blah' the way I do |
| 00:56.20 | maddash | dserban: vsprintf |
| 00:56.59 | dserban | maddash, so.. que? |
| 00:57.47 | dserban | sprintf formats a value... so..? |
| 00:58.35 | maddash | dserban: you're asking what to look for in the source to disable dmesg, right? vnsprintf and vsprintf are most common. not "sprintf" |
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| 01:00.57 | maher | i'm having problesm installing/configuring moinmoin wiki - my edit boxes are funny sizes: https://chekhov.math.okstate.edu/squares/FrontPage?action=edit&editor=text |
| 01:01.17 | EruditeHermit | gravity: is there a web based reportbug? |
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| 01:01.32 | EruditeHermit | gravity: I use webmail |
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| 01:02.01 | gravity | EruditeHermit: No, there isn't. |
| 01:02.18 | deriw | i'm not sure seeing as i'm fairly new to debian, but does it provide a package for screen other than a screensaver |
| 01:02.20 | deriw | ? |
| 01:02.21 | gravity | EruditeHermit: reportbug has its own built-in smtp server though, so don't worry about it |
| 01:02.34 | gravity | EruditeHermit: It's written with people like you in mind |
| 01:02.38 | deriw | i've tried apt-get install screen* but all it does is install screensavers |
| 01:02.53 | gravity | deriw: You want screen itself? |
| 01:03.12 | deriw | yes |
| 01:03.22 | gravity | deriw: Just apt-get install screen |
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| 01:05.38 | DawnLight | screen is one of them best |
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| 01:08.37 | deriw | gravity |
| 01:08.44 | deriw | rtb:~# apt-get install screen |
| 01:08.44 | deriw | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:08.44 | deriw | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 01:08.44 | deriw | E: Couldn't find package screen |
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| 01:08.50 | deriw | lol |
| 01:08.51 | deriw | woops |
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| 01:09.11 | gravity | deriw: There's something wrong with your sources.list or mirror |
| 01:09.16 | stew | deriw: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 01:10.53 | sdubois92 | i installed Deluge bittorrent client, and it showed up in the internet menu, but when i open it, it trys to start up and then closes |
| 01:11.15 | deriw | http://paste.debian.net/38231 |
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| 01:13.39 | DawnLight | sdubois92: check the bug reports |
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| 01:13.44 | DawnLight | !bugs |
| 01:13.46 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 01:13.47 | deriw | :\ |
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| 01:17.30 | amphi | heh |
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| 01:19.12 | stew | deriw: you don't have a 'main' mirror, just the security mirrors, add a 'main' mirror: "man sources.list" ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 01:24.36 | maddash | whoa? |
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| 01:24.45 | maddash | !ping |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | pong |
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| 01:26.54 | maddash | wtf is going on? |
| 01:27.10 | Gnu_Raiz | netsplit |
| 01:27.34 | Tommy | hi, whats a good program/app that tells me my fan speeds and cpu/hdd temperatures? |
| 01:27.37 | maddash | wtf does netsplit have to do with multiple klining? |
| 01:27.50 | Agrajag- | Tommy: sensors |
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| 01:28.16 | Agrajag- | Tommy: lm-sensors rather |
| 01:28.18 | sdubois92 | i installed Deluge bittorrent client, and it showed up in the internet menu, but when i open it, it trys to start up and then closes |
| 01:28.45 | Szeraax | sdubois92: what error does it give you when you try to run it from commandline? |
| 01:29.32 | sdubois92 | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 01:29.32 | sdubois92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.32 | sdubois92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.32 | sdubois92 | ImportError: No module named deluge |
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| 01:29.47 | Tommy | agrajag- how do i run lm sensors. A command for it? |
| 01:30.19 | Agrajag- | Tommy: apt-get install lm-sensors, you'll have to make sure the right modules are loaded, then just run "sensors" |
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| 01:30.47 | Tommy | thanks agrajag- |
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| 01:43.02 | maddash | yay. bye-bye "pidgin" and gconf2. hello, gaim. |
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| 01:44.47 | peterius | does anyone know where menu list items might be stored? |
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| 01:45.11 | \amethyst | peterius: Debian menu, Gnome main menu, ...? |
| 01:45.20 | peterius | anything... |
| 01:45.40 | peterius | /etc/xdg has some xml menu related files but they just have paths to directory files elsewhere |
| 01:46.06 | peterius | I don't see anywhere an xml or other list of applications, there's a folder with files named after menu items but I tried making one of these files to no avail |
| 01:46.06 | \amethyst | peterius: man menufile for the Debian menu |
| 01:46.31 | \amethyst | you have to run update-menus after updating them |
| 01:46.39 | peterius | ah |
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| 01:47.17 | peterius | let me restart my window manager |
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| 01:49.23 | stew | deriw: put the errors you are getting into a pastebin |
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| 01:49.50 | peterius | thanks amethyst... didn't no there was a man menufile, turns out I needed to add "local." before the "package name" |
| 01:49.55 | peterius | do you know where gnome menus are? |
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| 01:50.50 | freeze | hi |
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| 01:51.00 | kire_ | Hi! |
| 01:51.07 | freeze | this dh key generation takes alot of time |
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| 01:52.59 | kire_ | When i uninstall the program vino, aptitude trys to remove the hole gnome-environment. I dont want to... |
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| 01:53.18 | freeze | btw |
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| 01:53.32 | freeze | this thinkpad battery has over 560 cycles lol |
| 01:53.50 | freeze | and still runs for two hours |
| 01:54.30 | peterius | freeze: what kind of thinkpad? |
| 01:54.41 | freeze | peterius, T40 |
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| 01:55.12 | peterius | I've got an x60, I get like one hour 40 minutes |
| 01:55.33 | freeze | thats not much |
| 01:55.42 | peterius | laptop batteries are always dissappointing to me |
| 01:55.48 | freeze | with a new 9cell i can get up to 8hours |
| 01:56.11 | peterius | I have one of the double capacities, I should try it out, and I put my kernel on "ondemand" rather than poweruser or whatever |
| 01:56.16 | peterius | maybe I'd get like 4 hours then |
| 01:56.49 | freeze | maybe you should try to make some enerfy safe configurations.. |
| 01:56.55 | peterius | freeze: that's with xwindows and everything? |
| 01:56.55 | freeze | energy |
| 01:57.15 | freeze | xserver xorg ya |
| 01:57.24 | peterius | I might get a few minutes more on just the terminal, maybe a lot more |
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| 01:57.39 | freeze | take a look at thinkwiki.org |
| 01:57.40 | peterius | I don't think so though, it just drains really fast |
| 01:57.42 | peterius | I have |
| 01:57.44 | freeze | there is a wiki page |
| 01:57.48 | peterius | I think I've got all that good stuff |
| 01:58.08 | freeze | maybe you need the force-hpet patch |
| 01:58.20 | peterius | maybe its the battery monitor itself, maybe it checks too often on xorg |
| 01:58.37 | freeze | download powertop and see if your machine uses the c3/c4 cpu states |
| 01:59.04 | peterius | wow, I've got enough half working software on my plate right now... download something new, Idk |
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| 01:59.26 | freeze | lol |
| 01:59.30 | freeze | its upto you |
| 01:59.58 | peterius | okay, battery monitor (just checked) says 2 hours 3 minutes on powersave, I just unplugged AC |
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| 02:00.22 | freeze | my linux system sucked also alot of energy without optimize |
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| 02:01.06 | peterius | anyone know where gnome menus are? |
| 02:01.57 | freeze | this bitch is generation the DH parameters for 15minutes now!! |
| 02:02.07 | freeze | it never took that long |
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| 02:02.12 | maddash | peterius: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=edit+gnome+menu+files&btnG=Search |
| 02:02.41 | maddash | freeze: 3 hours 15 minutes on this thinkpad |
| 02:02.46 | maddash | freeze: :P |
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| 02:03.02 | DawnLight | why does everyone have a thinkpad? |
| 02:03.06 | freeze | maddash, ya i need a new battery |
| 02:03.10 | peterius | thanks maddash, I could have done that myself, I was just wondering if anyone knew offhand |
| 02:03.13 | peterius | because there are no other laptops |
| 02:03.27 | peterius | 3:15 is pretty amazing, is that with heavy adherence to thinkwiki freeze? |
| 02:03.49 | freeze | design capacity: 47520 mWh |
| 02:03.50 | freeze | last full capacity: 22640 mWh |
| 02:03.59 | maddash | freeze: this is a t43 |
| 02:04.12 | maddash | freeze: so that should give you an idea of how old the battery is |
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| 02:04.26 | peterius | design cap: 37440 |
| 02:04.27 | maddash | peterius: "thinkwiki freeze"? |
| 02:04.38 | freeze | maddash, iirc the t43 sucks more than the t42/41/40 |
| 02:05.17 | maddash | last full capacity: 35220 mWh |
| 02:05.24 | peterius | I put scripts in the acpi directories to switch to powersave when I unplug ac |
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| 02:05.36 | maddash | freeze: yep. only advantage is the cpu, but I rarely go above the lowest setting, anyway |
| 02:05.39 | freeze | maddash: i think i saved the most energy with the force-hpet patch |
| 02:05.58 | freeze | maddash: before that, i had only c0 state |
| 02:06.04 | maddash | freeze: is that the tickless patch? |
| 02:06.29 | peterius | what is c0/c3/c4 state? |
| 02:06.31 | freeze | maddash: nooo.. it force enabled the high precision timers, which enable the use of the c1-4 states |
| 02:06.42 | peterius | huh |
| 02:06.47 | freeze | these are cpu sleep states |
| 02:06.54 | peterius | that's a kernel patch? |
| 02:06.57 | freeze | in c4 cpu saves alot of energy |
| 02:07.00 | freeze | ya |
| 02:07.09 | peterius | but its not in the reg kernel? |
| 02:07.11 | maddash | freeze: I think that's tickless. which is a joke compared to the undervolt patch (30 min vs. 45 min). |
| 02:07.27 | freeze | you need it, if your BIOS does not announce the hpet-support correctly to the kernel.. |
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| 02:08.45 | freeze | i dont think its tickles |
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| 02:08.49 | freeze | http://linuxpowertop.org/known.php#kernel |
| 02:08.51 | freeze | look here |
| 02:08.52 | Szeraax | question, is there a command that i can do that will send the output to a printer? |
| 02:09.04 | Szeraax | like 'ls /etc | print' |
| 02:09.07 | Szeraax | ?? |
| 02:09.27 | asg | Szeraax: | lpr |
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| 02:09.45 | asg | Szeraax: if you don't have it, install cups cupsys-client cupsys-bsd |
| 02:09.45 | Szeraax | asg: I thiank you greatly |
| 02:09.48 | freeze | on the thinkwiki is a better link for hpet-force patch |
| 02:09.59 | freeze | has more patches and also for recent kernels |
| 02:10.06 | Szeraax | asg: that is it, jsut couldn't remember |
| 02:10.11 | peterius | question, is there anyway someone can magically reach through my xchat connection and get cupsd to work with a networked printer? |
| 02:10.12 | Szeraax | thanksall, g'night |
| 02:10.19 | Szeraax | /exit |
| 02:10.21 | Szeraax | doh |
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| 02:10.37 | DawnLight | sounds farfetched |
| 02:11.14 | peterius | I periodically have this urge to set something up, like get this printer working... but after a few hours I just say, I could be doing better things with my time and give up |
| 02:11.36 | freeze | freezer@tpad:/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0$ cat temperature |
| 02:11.36 | freeze | temperature: 78 C |
| 02:11.37 | freeze | omfg |
| 02:12.06 | unlink | why does scim-panel-gtk poll every 1/2 second? |
| 02:12.22 | maddash | to dodge bullets |
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| 02:13.15 | maddash | freeze: my cpu's always in c4. hpet does nothing for me. |
| 02:13.43 | DawnLight | i'm stuck beneath a steel sky |
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| 02:13.54 | maddash | i'm stuck beneath a hot girl |
| 02:13.59 | jbm | anyone here ever use a pci adsl modem in deb? |
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| 02:14.08 | peterius | I got 54C on temp freeze, that's intense |
| 02:14.12 | DawnLight | much better off |
| 02:14.22 | maddash | no doubt |
| 02:14.24 | peterius | I wish I could find.... a steel sky |
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| 02:14.46 | amphi | freeze: 78 is quite warm - what cpu is that? |
| 02:14.55 | DawnLight | although i'd prefer above |
| 02:15.04 | maddash | amphi: core (2?) duo |
| 02:15.28 | maddash | freeze: what hell are you putting your t60 through? |
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| 02:15.53 | amphi | maddash: ah |
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| 02:15.59 | sdubois92 | I installed Deluge Torrent from the .deb file and when i try to run it i get this |
| 02:16.04 | sdubois92 | http://rafb.net/p/QYkoTU42.html |
| 02:16.39 | amphi | freeze: you might be able to undervolt it and reduce the temp; I undervolted my pentium m, and knocked 20 or 25C off the temp under load |
| 02:16.49 | undesktop | sdubois92: do dpkg -L delugepackagenamewhatever |
| 02:16.51 | maddash | amphi: he's probably recompiling 2.6.22 with the undervolt patch out of envy for my long battery life |
| 02:16.55 | simonrvn | peterius: it's in debian |
| 02:17.18 | undesktop | sdubois92: and post the list of files it outputs; maybe this could help |
| 02:18.14 | amphi | maddash: heh - doesn't make much difference here, as I use the most economic governator on battery in any case, and the voltage/temp reduction at low freqs is small |
| 02:18.37 | maddash | sdubois92: is that python? aren't you better off installing deluge instead of dpkg -i -ing some random .deb you copped off the intarweb? |
| 02:18.53 | maddash | amphi: kudos. |
| 02:19.17 | sdubois92 | i dont know ,this is my first time installing a .deb |
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| 02:19.34 | sdubois92 | dpkg -l /home/steven/desktop/deluge-torrent_0.5.5-1386 |
| 02:19.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching /home/steven/desktop/deluge-torrent_0.5.5-1386 |
| 02:19.39 | maddash | sdubois92: did you not read my answer? DON'T install random debs |
| 02:19.47 | maddash | !find deluge |
| 02:19.56 | sdubois92 | how is it |
| 02:20.03 | sdubois92 | random? i got it off the deluge site |
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| 02:20.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'deluge' (2): (/usr/bin/deluge, /usr/share/menu/deluge-torrent, /usr/share/deluge/glade/delugegtk.glade) in net/deluge-torrent ;; (/usr/share/app-install/icons/deluge.xpm, /usr/share/app-install/desktop/deluge.desktop) in x11/app-install-data. |
| 02:20.26 | amphi | maddash: but it helps to stop the poor stinkpad melting when I make it run povray for days on end ;) |
| 02:20.28 | maddash | sdubois92: ^^ |
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| 02:20.51 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Just because it's a .deb file doesn't mean it's made for Debian, or that it's a quality package |
| 02:21.05 | maddash | Wyzard: he's probably using ubuntu. heheh. |
| 02:21.06 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Use Debian's own package of the program, rather than one from a third party |
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| 02:21.20 | Xenguy | sdubois92: when at all possible |
| 02:21.24 | sdubois92 | debian doesnt have its own package from what i udnerstand |
| 02:21.52 | maddash | sdubois92: unless it's explicitly stated that the deb is made for debian. and even then, verify that the deb is appropriate to your version of debian. |
| 02:22.02 | Wyzard | sdubois92: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=deluge-torrent&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 02:22.50 | Wyzard | Apparently p.d.o searches backports.org now |
| 02:23.21 | sdubois92 | so what do i do? should i uninstall the .deb i installed? |
| 02:23.25 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 02:23.39 | sdubois92 | how? like i said, this is my first time installing a .deb |
| 02:23.45 | maddash | christ, what of question is that? |
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| 02:23.58 | Wyzard | sdubois92: dpkg --purge deluge-torrent |
| 02:24.07 | maddash | sdubois92: aptitude purge [deluge package] |
| 02:24.40 | sdubois92 | ok |
| 02:25.03 | sdubois92 | that worked, now |
| 02:25.11 | sdubois92 | apt-get install etch-backports? |
| 02:25.23 | Darkclaw55 | I have files on the server that have a long file name. When I view the files with Samba, it has mixed letters and numbers with a ~ at the end of it. How can I fix it so samba displays the filenames correctly? |
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| 02:25.29 | maddash | sdubois92: no, dude. `apt-get install deluge-torrent` |
| 02:25.58 | Wyzard | after adding etch-backports to sources.list, if running etch |
| 02:26.22 | sdubois92 | where is the sources.list file located? |
| 02:26.32 | simonrvn | /etc/apt/ |
| 02:27.37 | sdubois92 | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/? |
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| 02:28.28 | maddash | wouldn't it be nice if aptitude had a) all the cool commands that only apt-get had, like build-dep, b) a graphical option to edit sources.list, c) better log management? |
| 02:28.45 | sdubois92 | is it http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ |
| 02:30.20 | DawnLight | would be, would be |
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| 02:31.00 | DawnLight | it gained some features from sarge to etch iirc |
| 02:31.23 | Wyzard | maddash: It'd also be nice if synaptic supported the auto/manual flags on packages so I wouldn't have to avoid using it |
| 02:31.36 | undesktop | sdubois92: um, so just btw... this doesn't work?: apt-get install deluge-torrent |
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| 02:32.08 | Wyzard | sdubois92: Did you add a sources.list line for etch-backports? |
| 02:32.29 | sdubois92 | NO! i dont know what to add, i asked if i add http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ and i got no answer |
| 02:32.34 | Wyzard | sdubois92: The etch-backports repository is actually at backports.org, and http://backports.org/ has info on what to add to your sources.list |
| 02:32.41 | sdubois92 | thanks |
| 02:32.55 | Wyzard | sdubois92: (unless Debian is hosting its own separate etch-backports repository, but that seems unlikely to me) |
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| 02:33.00 | freezer | the 78 C was at 100% cpu |
| 02:33.02 | freezer | no its down to 45 |
| 02:33.37 | undesktop | Wyzard: hehe... |
| 02:33.45 | undesktop | Wyzard: official backports would be great |
| 02:33.51 | maddash | Wyzard: hell yeah. and autoremove unused dependencies, too. |
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| 02:36.50 | lfs | Debian just updated the kernel again and it is writing the wrong drive in menu.lst |
| 02:37.00 | sdubois92 | thanks |
| 02:37.02 | lfs | I updated /etc/fstab |
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| 02:37.26 | lfs | I had switched the cables earlier to get Vista to run |
| 02:37.47 | Wyzard | lfs: That file is updated by the "update-grub" program based on special comments within the file itself |
| 02:38.06 | Wyzard | lfs: Adjust the "# kopt=" and "# groot=" lines as necessary, and then run update-grub |
| 02:38.18 | SerajewelKS | are there any non-linear video editors in debian that actually work well? |
| 02:38.26 | lfs | WHere is that file? |
| 02:38.26 | maddash | apt-get source aptitude -- how ironic is that? |
| 02:38.37 | lea_w | A Python package (python-constraint) gets installed into /usr/share/pycentral/, but no symlinks are created in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages. Is that a bug in the package, or do I have to create the symlinks (i.e. install the egg that is located in /usr/share/pycentral/...) myself? |
| 02:38.44 | SerajewelKS | and don't require a degree in filmmaking to use? |
| 02:39.11 | maddash | lea_w: bug, most likely |
| 02:39.29 | lea_w | maddash: ok, thanks |
| 02:39.32 | lea_w | will report... |
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| 02:43.18 | sine | JESUS CHRIST |
| 02:43.20 | icatorze | !dpkg live helper |
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| 02:43.29 | sine | please tell me there is an alternative to the netinstall cd |
| 02:43.37 | sine | ive just done it again and picked a slow mirror |
| 02:43.47 | sine | can i not just get cd1 of the cd set |
| 02:44.11 | simonrvn | sine: do whatever you like with that. up to you. |
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| 02:45.03 | sine | what do you mean. when i used the net install it asks me if i want to download from the mirror like the aptget snapshot or whatever. i know the cds have the entire software on it |
| 02:45.17 | sine | can i install from cd1 (think im gonna reinstall again) |
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| 02:45.29 | sine | and have that small snapshot on the disl |
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| 02:51.08 | simonrvn | heh |
| 02:52.26 | lfs | Thank you Wyzard, but where is the update-grub file? |
| 02:53.03 | simonrvn | lfs: in your $PATH, if you're root |
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| 02:53.36 | Wyzard | lfs: It's a program... run it |
| 02:53.45 | Wyzard | lfs: It's in /sbin |
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| 02:54.26 | sine | how comes the size of swap chosen by deb netinstall is 2.7 gig |
| 02:54.29 | popt | poll: will you run stable or testing for debian? |
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| 02:55.34 | lfs | I ran it, but it gave me no chance to change anything |
| 02:55.44 | Wyzard | lfs: update-grub isn't interactive |
| 02:55.51 | popt | is it secure to run debian with testing sourcelist? |
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| 02:56.02 | sine | i basically want to be able to install debian to a 9gig partition so that when i get it set up perfectly i cant back it up ta dvd9 for keeps |
| 02:56.04 | lfs | So I go to /sbin? |
| 02:56.06 | Wyzard | lfs: You edit /boot/grub/menu.lst with a text editor and modify those two special comment lines |
| 02:56.28 | Wyzard | lfs: then run udpate-grub and it regenerates the boot stanzas with the new options you specified on those special comment lines |
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| 02:59.19 | fribian | Hi all |
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| 03:00.54 | fribian | I have a problem installing a Debian 4.0r1 from a minimal CD. It hangs downloading file 83 of 83 (at 18% in the "select and install stoftware" phase). If I interpret the syslog correct, it is trying to wget the "whois" package. |
| 03:00.56 | zu22 | i have my debian testing system installed on a single root partition of type ext2 (also have 1 swap partition), how exactly can I _safely_ (no data corruption/loss) convert this to an ext3 filesystem (ext2+journaling)? i run kernel 2.6.18 |
| 03:01.50 | fribian | zu22: There is a howto under http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/documents/convert2ext3.html |
| 03:02.00 | fribian | zu22: But DO MAKE a BACKUP first. |
| 03:02.03 | Wyzard | zu22: tune2fs -j /dev/foo, on whatever partition the filesystem is on |
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| 03:02.31 | lfs | running grub-update changes kopt to sda1 |
| 03:02.32 | zu22 | fribian: cool |
| 03:02.33 | fribian | zu22: There is not guarantee that there will be no data loss or corruption etc. |
| 03:02.41 | lfs | I need sdb1 |
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| 03:02.55 | zu22 | Wyzard: do i have to run that on read only filesystem is it ok to do that on the mounted fs (r+w)? |
| 03:02.59 | Wyzard | lfs: then change the "# kopt=" line so it says sdb1 instead of sda1 |
| 03:03.00 | fribian | *sigh* |
| 03:03.06 | zu22 | fribian: ah i see |
| 03:03.18 | Azjo | Installing debian x64, i am at configuring apt, scanning the mirror, but its frozen at 40%. im using vmware, what is the problem? |
| 03:03.21 | Wyzard | fribian: Adding a journal is a trivial operation, not much more than creating a file |
| 03:03.22 | lfs | I do, change it, run grub-update and it changes back |
| 03:03.55 | Wyzard | lfs: The "# kopt=" line changes back? The one that begins with a '#'? |
| 03:04.05 | fribian | Is there a way to redo and installation without going through the pain of repartitioning/formating partitions (I use encrypted volumes and formating them took some time). My installations still hangs at 18% ... damnit! |
| 03:04.10 | Wyzard | zu22: You can do "tune2fs -j" on the filesystem while it's mounted |
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| 03:04.23 | lfs | # kopt=root=/dev/sdb1 ro |
| 03:04.26 | zu22 | Wyzard: wow nice, thanks |
| 03:04.26 | Wyzard | zu22: Of course, it'll still be mounted ext2 until you reboot |
| 03:04.32 | fribian | Or even better: Is there a way to tell the installer to just skip that one hanging file?? |
| 03:04.39 | zu22 | Wyzard: yeah |
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| 03:05.07 | fribian | I do not really see the absolute necessity for the "whois" application ... |
| 03:05.11 | Wyzard | zu22: the manpage describes the effect of adding a journal to a mounted ext2 filesystem -- basically, don't delete the ~/.journal file, and you're fine |
| 03:05.23 | lfs | Somehow it started working right |
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| 03:05.51 | Wyzard | zu22: and make sure your /etc/fstab specifies "ext3" or "auto" rather than "ext2"... may need to update your initramfs too, if you change it |
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| 03:06.38 | fribian | Wyzard: As to the "trivial" thing of converting from ext2 to ext3 ... I still recommend doing a backup of important Data. Just in case some SNAFU happens, you never know. |
| 03:06.52 | Wyzard | fribian: Of course, it's a good idea in general to have backups |
| 03:07.15 | Wyzard | fribian: but adding a journal isn't a particularly risky operation |
| 03:07.16 | maddash | zu22: it sure does get frustrating. has the base system already been installed? |
| 03:07.22 | fribian | Wyzard: ok. |
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| 03:07.43 | maddash | fribian: ^^ |
| 03:07.50 | maddash | zu22: ignore that |
| 03:07.59 | zu22 | maddash: heh |
| 03:08.08 | fribian | Wyzard: I am now for the first time experiencing problems installing a very basic stable Debian ... very annoying. Since you are a Wyzard, maybe you can give me a hint? |
| 03:08.25 | maddash | fribian: anyway, if the base system is already nailed down, just boot into it and execute `tasksel` |
| 03:08.35 | fribian | maddash: Yes. The base system installed nicely. |
| 03:08.44 | Wyzard | fribian: I don't know everything, but I can certainly try, if you describe the problem |
| 03:08.48 | zu22 | Wyzard: should i change /etc/fstab before or after i run tune2fs or i'm fine as long as i change it before rebooting? |
| 03:08.52 | maddash | fribian: read. above. |
| 03:08.56 | fribian | Wyzard: See above :) |
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| 03:09.20 | Wyzard | zu22: Either is fine |
| 03:09.21 | zu22 | Wyzard: i'm not sure how to update my initramfs, i run debian kernel image which does use initrd, know how i can do that? |
| 03:09.28 | Wyzard | zu22: update-initramfs |
| 03:09.38 | fribian | maddash: I think we have a different definition of "base system". |
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| 03:10.10 | Wyzard | fribian: You're encountering errors during installation? Or with an already-installed system? |
| 03:10.12 | sine | how do i update after a fresh install |
| 03:10.15 | fribian | maddash: It died while trying to get to the first bootable stage. |
| 03:10.22 | zu22 | Wyzard: good, i think i have all i need, thanks, i thought the process would be more complicated, i figure i will try ext3 before going on to something more exotic like xfs :D |
| 03:10.22 | lfs | THank you Wyzard, my system is in sync |
| 03:10.34 | fribian | Wyzard: During installation. The netinst cannot download "whois" |
| 03:10.35 | Wyzard | fribian: (btw, encryption shouldn't make any significant difference in how long it takes to create filesystems) |
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| 03:10.46 | maddash | fribian: define, "die" |
| 03:11.03 | muhoo_ | ok, i'm confused after reading this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 03:11.06 | fribian | Wyzard: Errm, rephrase that. It took ages to erase. I can skip that the second round :) |
| 03:11.14 | Wyzard | zu22: Be careful with XFS... it has a habit of corrupting files that were recently modified if an unexpected shutdown (i.e. power outage) occurs |
| 03:11.19 | muhoo_ | i want to pin a very very very specific version of some home-made, modified debian packages |
| 03:11.30 | muhoo_ | which i've built from source (optimised for my CPU, etc) |
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| 03:11.53 | Wyzard | fribian: I've occasionally run into problems with undownloadable packages... I'd just try a different mirror |
| 03:11.57 | lfs | How do I change the directory where Iceweasal downloads? |
| 03:11.57 | muhoo | do i use the * after the version number? |
| 03:12.06 | fribian | maddash: I can see in the syslog that it tries to wget "whois" and the installer hangs at the 18% bar in the "select and install software" stage. |
| 03:12.11 | maddash | Wyzard: you must have a lot of free time |
| 03:12.23 | maddash | fribian: dude. BOOT into your base system. |
| 03:12.25 | fribian | maddesh: But there seems to be no timeout. It has been sitting there for 25 minutes now. |
| 03:12.26 | muhoo | let's say i build foo-0.4.99-2 from source, and i ABSOLUTELY NEVER want debian to "upgrade" me to 0.4.99-3 when the debian maintainer updates it |
| 03:12.31 | maddash | fribian: BOOT, as in, REBOOT |
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| 03:12.58 | muhoo | is that Package: foo Pin: 0.4.99-1 ? |
| 03:12.58 | fribian | maddash: Dude, there is no grub or anything in place yet. How do I boot into that system?? |
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| 03:13.03 | muhoo | is that Package: foo Pin: 0.4.99-2 ? |
| 03:13.16 | muhoo | and priorty 1001? |
| 03:13.42 | Wyzard | muhoo: sounds right to me, though I'm not an expert on pinning |
| 03:13.53 | maddash | fribian: cancel the current install process, and skip to "Install grub" |
| 03:14.17 | Wyzard | fribian: I'd just start over and use a different mirror |
| 03:14.22 | sine | can someone explain to me why debian makes a 2.7 gig swa |
| 03:14.25 | fribian | maddash: Ok, how do I cancel? There is no such option at this point. Just CTRL+C it? |
| 03:14.36 | fribian | Wyzard: I was thinking the same ... |
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| 03:14.50 | Wyzard | sine: It's based on the size of your disk and/or RAM, afaik... feel free to change it if you think that size is inappropriate |
| 03:15.00 | Daskreech | Why would a installed kernel not want to load it's modules? |
| 03:15.06 | sine | i mean i dont mind it having what it wants |
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| 03:15.13 | maddash | fribian: no cancel option? alt+f4 then, ctrl+c |
| 03:15.14 | Wyzard | Daskreech: What happens when you try to load one? |
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| 03:15.28 | sine | but ive seen some places that on install they set 512 megabytes |
| 03:15.33 | maddash | fribian: if that doesn't work, then reboot the installer cd and skip straight to "install grub" |
| 03:15.41 | Wyzard | fribian: If you're in the middle of an install, and you want to start the installation over, you're not going to lose anything by just pressing the reset button |
| 03:15.54 | Daskreech | Wyzard: it loads the modules for old kernels |
| 03:15.57 | Daskreech | not for uname -r |
| 03:15.58 | fribian | maddash: ALT+F4 brings me to the syslog console. If I CTRL+C it, it fires up another "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and that's that. |
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| 03:16.15 | Wyzard | Daskreech: and how can you tell it's doing that? |
| 03:16.28 | sine | i want to manually setup the hardrisk rather than let debian take it all |
| 03:16.28 | Wyzard | sine: so? |
| 03:16.41 | Wyzard | sine: Manual partitioning is one of the choices in the installer |
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| 03:16.59 | Wyzard | sine: and there's nothing special about 512MB of swap; there's no one-size-fits-all number |
| 03:17.08 | fribian | maddash: Maybe if I could send a SIGHUP to the installer ... but I have no idea what process actually hangs. |
| 03:17.11 | Daskreech | Wyzard: cause it throws errors of FATAL: /lib/modules/2.6.x-y not found |
| 03:17.23 | Wyzard | fribian: Just press the reset button |
| 03:17.32 | sine | i dont mind it having what it needs for the swap i just wondered why it took that size |
| 03:17.33 | Daskreech | then it can't mount the root file system cause it has no modules for the hardware |
| 03:17.43 | sine | the more the better hu |
| 03:17.53 | Wyzard | Daskreech: How was this kernel installed? |
| 03:18.06 | fribian | Wyzard: Yeah. Probably the fastest solution anyhow. |
| 03:18.07 | maddash | 23:15:30 <maddash> fribian: if that doesn't work, then reboot the installer cd and skip straight to "install grub" |
| 03:18.18 | Wyzard | sine: Basically, the "right" amount of swap is how much memory the software that will be running might need, minus how much RAM the system has |
| 03:18.26 | simonrvn | fribian: that's a thought, but it'll probably just exit on you. might as well just start over. it'll go back to where you were at before, more or less |
| 03:18.32 | Daskreech | Wyzard: apt-get |
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| 03:18.49 | Wyzard | Daskreech: so it's a stock Debian kernel? (What version?) |
| 03:18.59 | sine | so its somthing i would be worried about if i knew what specifically i was setting the system up fof |
| 03:19.08 | Daskreech | 2.6.18-5 |
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| 03:19.35 | Karcamo[x] | hi |
| 03:19.36 | Wyzard | Daskreech: and what version is it allegedly trying to load modules for? |
| 03:19.53 | Karcamo[x] | i have problem compiling the game rogue |
| 03:20.00 | Daskreech | 2.6.8 |
| 03:20.20 | fribian | simonrvn: Ok. the SIGHUP to the debian installer process got me back to the configuration menu. But now it does not accept any more keyboard input. Cannot select anything. LOL |
| 03:20.40 | Daskreech | Karcamo[x]: Waht problem? |
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| 03:20.57 | Karcamo[x] | show a error of compilation. |
| 03:20.58 | simonrvn | fribian: yeh. |
| 03:21.10 | Karcamo[x] | Daskreech: sorry, but my english is not good..... :) |
| 03:21.16 | Absolute0 | does ubuntu have newer pkgs than debian or older ones? |
| 03:21.21 | simonrvn | !wayc Karcamo[x] |
| 03:21.21 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: Install ToME or nethack instead :-) |
| 03:21.21 | dpkg | Karcamo[x]: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 03:21.42 | maddash | that's just idiotic |
| 03:21.46 | Wyzard | Daskreech: 2.6.8 is a sarge kernel... were you upgrading from sarge? |
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| 03:22.10 | simonrvn | maddash: heee. i know rogue isn't in main ;) |
| 03:22.14 | Karcamo[x] | the game isn`t in the repositories. |
| 03:22.16 | Wyzard | Absolute0: Ubuntu releases more often than Debian so the latest release of Ubuntu is usually more recent than the latest release of Debian |
| 03:22.25 | Absolute0 | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 03:22.30 | Daskreech | Wyzard: not that I know of |
| 03:22.30 | fribian | Ok, I am too tired to wait any longer. I am going to push the button and redo it ... another day. It is past 5 a.m. here. Thanks for the help everybody! |
| 03:22.32 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: no, but there are newer roguelike games which are |
| 03:22.47 | Karcamo[x] | Wyzard: you know other version of rogue ? |
| 03:23.04 | simonrvn | Karcamo[x]: apt-cache search rogue; then take your pick |
| 03:23.12 | Karcamo[x] | simonrvn: ok......loading..... |
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| 03:23.19 | fribian | n8t everybody ... |
| 03:23.29 | maddash | simonrvn: no, not you. |
| 03:23.35 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: ToME (package "tome", non-free), nethack, angband (which ToME is based on) |
| 03:24.20 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: nethack is widely known and quite complex and well-developed... ToME is less widely known, but equally well-developed and more fun IMO |
| 03:24.34 | lfs | Is there a way to change file permissions of file owned by root on Gnome GUI? |
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| 03:24.54 | Wyzard | Daskreech: If you weren't doing an upgrade from sarge, you were presumably running etch already and upgrading from kernel 2.6.18-4... can you still boot that one? |
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| 03:24.59 | maddash | simonrvn: I hate people who try desperately to hide the obvious fact that they know NOTHING about debian and end up wasting everyone's time |
| 03:25.05 | undesktop | is there a key combination in bash to cut the last filename part? similar to ^W, but path components instead of words... |
| 03:25.16 | troubled | maddash: *cry* im sorry ;) |
| 03:25.25 | troubled | simonrvn! |
| 03:25.45 | Daskreech | Wyzard: I have a 2.6.18-4 installed but grub only has entries for 2.6.8 |
| 03:25.46 | maddash | actually, I was referring to that frisbee guy |
| 03:25.47 | Karcamo[x] | Wyzard: thanksa |
| 03:25.51 | Daskreech | Which boots fine |
| 03:25.52 | Karcamo[x] | simonrvn: thanks |
| 03:25.53 | Karcamo[x] | :) |
| 03:25.55 | simonrvn | maddash: mm. it also bugs me. that's called 'cluebie' |
| 03:25.57 | simonrvn | Karcamo[x]: np |
| 03:26.04 | maddash | Daskreech: update-grub, dude. |
| 03:26.05 | simonrvn | troubled: hi |
| 03:26.20 | Wyzard | Daskreech: Exactly what kernel(s) are listed in grub's boot menu? |
| 03:27.31 | lfs | Is there a way to work with root owned files with the GUI? |
| 03:27.40 | lfs | GNOME |
| 03:28.06 | Daskreech | 2.6.8, 2.6.8-5 (ithink) and 2.6.8 safe mode |
| 03:28.13 | Daskreech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:28.25 | Daskreech | maddash: I know right? :) |
| 03:28.25 | Wyzard | Daskreech: so why do you think you're booting 2.6.18, if 2.6.8 is all that's in the menu? |
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| 03:28.38 | maddash | lfs: er, `su` or `sudo`? |
| 03:29.19 | Wyzard | Daskreech: Installing a packages 2.6.18 would've added an entry for it automatically in menu.lst |
| 03:29.22 | Daskreech | Wyzard: cause I added 2.6.18 after I installed it but when it boots it loads all it's modules from /lib/modules/2.6.8/ which error out |
| 03:30.10 | Wyzard | Daskreech: sounds like maybe you're trying to use a 2.6.8 initrd with a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 03:30.23 | Wyzard | Daskreech: but you shouldn't have needed to add that entry; there should've been one there already |
| 03:30.39 | Daskreech | That's what I thought |
| 03:30.48 | Daskreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.56 | Wyzard | Daskreech: The fact that it wasn't added makes me suspect that your 2.6.18 package wasn't installed correctly |
| 03:31.13 | Daskreech | the initrd points to the 2.6.18 initrd file in /boot though |
| 03:31.24 | ameyer | or created correctly... |
| 03:31.26 | Daskreech | Wyzard: good so we are on the same page :-) |
| 03:31.37 | Wyzard | Daskreech: I'd boot the 2.6.8, purge the 2.6.18 package, and then reinstall it and make sure it installs properly |
| 03:32.21 | ameyer | jeez, 2.6.8 </pointing_out_obvious_outdatedness> |
| 03:32.23 | lfs | I wanted to use nautilus on root files |
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| 03:32.43 | Daskreech | ameyer: Yes yes I know :-P |
| 03:33.34 | ameyer | that's like... FC3 shipped with 2.6.9 in October 2004 I believe |
| 03:33.39 | ameyer | well... |
| 03:34.01 | Wyzard | ameyer: and the previous release of Debian shipped with it too :-) |
| 03:35.02 | zu22 | Wyzard: ah thanks for the warning, i will stick with ext3 for a while, at least until i can get some sort of automatic backup system in place :) |
| 03:35.58 | Wyzard | zu22: It also doesn't support shrinking... I use LVM so I like being able to expand and shrink filesystems, and XFS can only expand |
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| 03:37.22 | zu22 | Wyzard: ah good to know, what fs do you use? just curious |
| 03:37.24 | Daskreech | Wyzard: if it doesn't create a grub entry I shoudl assume something went wrong? |
| 03:37.37 | ameyer | well, there goes my uptime... |
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| 03:37.39 | Wyzard | zu22: ext3, though I'm looking forward to ext4 |
| 03:37.51 | zu22 | Wyzard: cool |
| 03:38.02 | Wyzard | Daskreech: Unless you've extensively customized your menu.lst and removed the special comments that make update-grub work, yes |
| 03:38.10 | Daskreech | Aight |
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| 03:39.42 | sine | hi ive just done a fresh install forgot to set small parition so i used gparted and shrank the linux partition. im now back in debian is there any way i check the fs make sure its ok |
| 03:41.28 | sf7_ | I had XP on one partition. booted OK. now I put Debian on the other (from net-inst cd). but during the install, grub failed. so I used lilo instead. seemed to work but now nothing will boot. is there some utility I can run to repair the boot sector? |
| 03:41.47 | Wyzard | sine: If you "touch /forcefsck" and reboot, the root filesystem will be checked for errors during startup, IIRC |
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| 03:42.28 | sine | ok ta |
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| 03:42.45 | Wyzard | sf7: You could reinstall Debian with a working bootloader, or if you just want to get the Windows installation bootable again, run the recovery console from the Windows install CD and run "fixmbr" |
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| 03:44.40 | sf7_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.05 | zu22 | Wyzard: FDISK /MBR worked in Win95/98, not sure if that still works in XP |
| 03:45.12 | undesktop | you can install grub from somewhere else again |
| 03:45.16 | undesktop | from floppy or from cd |
| 03:45.21 | Wyzard | zu22: "fixmbr" is the equivalent of that |
| 03:45.22 | undesktop | hell, maybe even from Windows |
| 03:45.25 | zu22 | Wyzard: ah |
| 03:45.34 | sf7_ | mm i have a knoppix livecd |
| 03:45.40 | Wyzard | sf7_: All you really need to reinstall is grub |
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| 03:45.48 | Wyzard | sf7_: not the whole OS |
| 03:45.51 | ameyer | I assume knoppix can reinstall grub |
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| 03:47.55 | sine | ok im going to install xp on some of the unallocated space on my harddrive. now i know that windows may overwrite the mbr. do i back this up now or so i edit it so that it allreadys points to xp |
| 03:48.19 | Wyzard | sine: You'll need to reinstall GRUB after you reinstall Windows |
| 03:48.36 | sine | and ill do that from within a windows env |
| 03:48.41 | Wyzard | can't do it from Windows |
| 03:48.46 | Wyzard | You'll need to boot a Linux CD |
| 03:48.55 | sf7_ | how to reinst grub thru knoppix tho..? anyone got any ideas? |
| 03:49.13 | sine | im sure it wont be hard to install from a livecd right ? |
| 03:49.43 | sine | ok ta |
| 03:49.53 | sine | ill take that road when it comes |
| 03:49.54 | sine | tanks |
| 03:49.59 | Wyzard | The usual way to reinstall grub would be with grub-install, but I don't think that works from a livecd since it expects /boot to be on the hard drive |
| 03:50.08 | Wyzard | but it can be done with two commands in the grub shell |
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| 03:50.42 | sine | i can get online with a gentoo livecd im sure from the command line i will be able to do that again right ? |
| 03:51.00 | Daskreech | sf7_: just run grub-install |
| 03:51.35 | Wyzard | I haven't tried it so I'm not certain, but I don't think grub-install works from a liveCD |
| 03:52.11 | Wyzard | It needs to know what partition the kernel is on, and it normally does that by looking at what mounted filesystem contains the /boot directory, I believe |
| 03:52.25 | Wyzard | but when booted from a CD, that doesn't work |
| 03:52.33 | DrthHmstr | investigating |
| 03:52.48 | Daskreech | Wyzard: I do it every day. :) |
| 03:53.12 | Wyzard | Daskreech: You run something like "grub-install /dev/hda" from a CD? |
| 03:53.16 | Daskreech | grub-install --root-directory=/path/to/where/drive/is/mounted /dev/device |
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| 03:53.55 | Wyzard | That's not quite the same thing |
| 03:54.05 | Daskreech | so for me it's mkdir root ; sudo mount /dev/hdd1 root; sudo grub-install --root-directory=root /dev/hdd; sudo reboot |
| 03:54.48 | Wyzard | The manpage says --root-directory=DIR means "install GRUB images under the directory DIR instead of the root directory" |
| 03:55.37 | Wyzard | What I'm talking about is the parameter for the underlying GRUB "root" command, like "root (hd0,0)" or whatever |
| 03:55.41 | Daskreech | Yeah he's installing them on his hard drive right? |
| 03:55.49 | Daskreech | Ah |
| 03:56.02 | Wyzard | --root-directory looks like it's for specifying where to copy the stage files to |
| 03:56.28 | Wyzard | but the MBR code needs to know what partition to mount to find stage2 and the config |
| 03:56.57 | lfs | I want to change my user name. Is that possible? |
| 03:57.07 | Wyzard | When running from a hard drive, I *think* that's normally done by looking at what filesystem contains /boot -- say, it's on the root filesystem which is on /dev/hda1, and /dev/hda1 corresponds to (hd0,0) |
| 03:57.45 | Wyzard | nvz: sure, it works within a chroot, but I'd like to avoid walking someone through doing a proper chroot when answering the question "how do I reinstall GRUB?" |
| 03:57.52 | simonrvn | nvz: heh heh |
| 03:58.16 | Daskreech | I think ubuntu had a thorough page on it |
| 03:58.24 | sf7_ | fixmbr fails.. can i just fix grub and boot xp thru that? |
| 03:58.43 | Daskreech | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows |
| 03:58.48 | zu22 | chroot has saved me several times |
| 03:59.07 | Wyzard | It might be that it uses some other heuristic if the "look where /boot is mounted" technique doesn't work... like scanning (hd0) for partitions containing a file called "stage2", or something like that |
| 03:59.39 | simonrvn | would have to attach gdb or starce it to see what happens |
| 03:59.45 | simonrvn | str* |
| 04:00.12 | lfs | Would changing my usr name be one big pain in the ass? |
| 04:00.14 | Wyzard | Daskreech: The "quick start" there involves using the "root" and "setup" commands directly in the grub shell, which is how I'd do it |
| 04:00.18 | simonrvn | (yeh i get zsh correcting me on that 50% of the time ;p) |
| 04:00.22 | maddash | lfs: man adduser |
| 04:00.35 | sf7_ | hey ho my m8 has given up... lightweight :p thx all 4 help! |
| 04:00.55 | lfs | and how to get all my files to it? |
| 04:01.27 | Wyzard | lfs: You can probably just edit /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group, and /etc/gshadow, and then rename your home directory |
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| 04:02.19 | Daskreech | Wyzard: kk |
| 04:02.33 | Wyzard | Daskreech: though that page does also describe using the --root-directory option you mentioned |
| 04:02.43 | lfs | I was intending on doing linuxfromscratch and I have been using lfs as my user name which will be inconvenient. |
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| 04:03.02 | Karcamo[x] | hi, |
| 04:03.08 | Karcamo[x] | i play the crawl game |
| 04:03.09 | Karcamo[x] | :) |
| 04:03.20 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: which one? |
| 04:03.22 | maddash | lfs: `cp -r /home/olduser/* /home/newuser/` |
| 04:03.38 | lfs | That looks scary |
| 04:03.43 | Daskreech | Wyzard: yeah that seems to work for me |
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| 04:04.12 | simonrvn | lfs: it isn't, just long |
| 04:04.19 | maddash | lfs: then lfs isn't for you |
| 04:04.35 | lfs | I see what that does, but it still looks scary |
| 04:04.39 | zu22 | Karcamo[x]: PacMan? |
| 04:04.56 | Karcamo[x] | zu22: no, the crawl game for terminal |
| 04:05.02 | Wyzard | Daskreech: though if /boot is on a separate partition, I suspect --root-directory won't work unless that's mounted too |
| 04:05.06 | zu22 | Karcamo[x]: oh lol |
| 04:05.17 | lfs | cp -r * is dangerous command |
| 04:05.37 | lfs | almost as bad as rm -r * |
| 04:05.53 | zu22 | \rm -r * is even worse, overrides shell aliasing like "rm -r" :) |
| 04:06.02 | zu22 | unlink can be bad too :D |
| 04:06.03 | dalias | huh? |
| 04:06.55 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: http://www.t-o-m-e.net/ |
| 04:07.06 | dalias | \rm is bogus bashism |
| 04:07.21 | dalias | and unlink.. wtf is that? unlink is the name of the syscall not any normal unix command |
| 04:07.26 | dalias | the command is supposed to be called rm |
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| 04:07.36 | simonrvn | dalias: unl<tab> ;p |
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| 04:07.55 | zu22 | dalias: heh |
| 04:08.03 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: Multiple dungeons, "world map", skill system and magic system, a bunch of races and character classes (and special variants of both) |
| 04:08.05 | dalias | i see it exists on debian |
| 04:08.08 | dalias | my question is WHY |
| 04:08.10 | jbm | anyone know what the 'ng' in stuff like madwifi-ng and airsnort-ng means? |
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| 04:08.18 | dalias | next generation |
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| 04:08.26 | jbm | ah. thanks. |
| 04:08.28 | simonrvn | unl<tab>\nCompleting external command\n...\nunlink -- call the unlink function to remove the specified file |
| 04:08.31 | dalias | from *($&#()* startrek nerds :P |
| 04:08.47 | dalias | :) |
| 04:09.36 | Karcamo[x] | Wyzard: you play the tome ? |
| 04:10.40 | Wyzard | Karcamo[x]: yeah |
| 04:11.15 | Daskreech | calentay: you guys know where i can find a singleplayer mmorpg? |
| 04:11.39 | Wyzard | Daskreech: "singleplayer mmorpg" is nonsensical |
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| 04:12.11 | Wyzard | The "mm" stands for "massively multiplayer" |
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| 04:12.44 | maddash | Daskreech: sure, the same place where you get men's tampons |
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| 04:13.40 | Karcamo[x] | Wyzard: yea, is good the game, |
| 04:13.54 | Daskreech | maddash: oh haven't seen manpons ? |
| 04:13.56 | Karcamo[x] | Wyzard: give time for understand the game |
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| 04:14.04 | Daskreech | Wyzard: courtesy of bash.org |
| 04:14.47 | Wyzard | ah, ok :-) |
| 04:14.48 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:15.15 | Karcamo[x] | Wyzard: sorry, but my engglish is not good |
| 04:15.18 | Karcamo[x] | english * |
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| 04:16.17 | lfs | I did a linuxfromscratch about 4 years ago. It is real good learning thing |
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| 04:16.32 | egospu1 | I'm having problems sending out mime-encoded email from php on my server. Any ideas where to start tweaking sendmail/postfix? recently installed debian-etch |
| 04:16.44 | Wyzard | lfs: Good for learning, but not particularly good for actually using |
| 04:16.47 | lfs | Debian gives a better system though |
| 04:16.58 | lfs | Agree with that one |
| 04:17.01 | Daskreech | Karcamo[x]: it's not bad either |
| 04:17.22 | Wyzard | Biggest lesson learned from doing LFS: keeping track of interdependencies between software is a job for my computer, not my brain |
| 04:17.38 | slapfaceware | is there load balance tool for exim smtp |
| 04:18.09 | lfs | I didnt get much further than a working bash shell |
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| 04:23.31 | undesktop | what are all these seahorse-something and ssh-something directories in my /tmp? |
| 04:24.04 | maddash | 00:05:15 <lfs> cp -r * is dangerous command <--- wtf are you talking about? |
| 04:24.14 | maddash | undesktop: cache and shit |
| 04:24.25 | Wyzard | undesktop: ssh and seahorse are programs which create those temporary directories |
| 04:24.42 | undesktop | Wyzard: yeah that was my guess |
| 04:24.49 | undesktop | but couldn't they delete them again... |
| 04:25.05 | Wyzard | undesktop: They seem to contain socket files |
| 04:25.13 | undesktop | yes |
| 04:25.19 | Wyzard | undesktop: used for communication with ssh-agent, probably |
| 04:25.24 | Wyzard | undesktop: and seahorse talks to ssh-agent too |
| 04:25.28 | lfs | whatever |
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| 04:33.36 | The-Kernel | ok, so, now how do I upgrade without making the same mistake |
| 04:34.05 | The-Kernel | brb |
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| 04:35.35 | The-Kernel | ok Is it wise to install bcm43xx-fwcutter for my wireless card? |
| 04:38.49 | tt | Just wondering: Im currently in a ssh session on my server and I noticed som pictures. Is it possible to load the picture and see it in my xterm or do I have to upload it to my computer? |
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| 04:40.02 | Rhoruns | is anyone here an expert with scsi controllers/drive? |
| 04:40.30 | undesktop | tt: you could enable X forwarding and then use any X app which is installed on the server |
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| 04:41.24 | tt | undesktop: Thanks. Seemes a little to much work just for a pictures... Ill just throw it to the webserver i guess. Thanks. |
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| 04:57.28 | mandrigal | hello peoples |
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| 05:00.44 | Daskreech | hi |
| 05:01.38 | mandrigal | i'm having k3b problems |
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| 05:05.26 | torrentfox | dammit |
| 05:05.36 | torrentfox | my lcd just went technicolor again |
| 05:05.53 | torrentfox | xorg must really hate my laptop |
| 05:06.08 | undesktop | xorg is made of hate |
| 05:06.13 | torrentfox | and fail |
| 05:06.25 | torrentfox | I had this running once |
| 05:06.28 | torrentfox | but never again |
| 05:06.33 | torrentfox | it makes up resolution modes |
| 05:06.38 | torrentfox | and ignores the ones in the conf file |
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| 05:07.12 | torrentfox | lawl! |
| 05:07.14 | torrentfox | it just did it again |
| 05:07.19 | torrentfox | I'll have to fix this in single user mode |
| 05:07.24 | torrentfox | I love how debian just works |
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| 05:07.56 | torrentfox | oh wow |
| 05:08.09 | torrentfox | now I have 4 debian entries in the grub menu |
| 05:08.12 | torrentfox | fantastic |
| 05:08.36 | torrentfox | and all of the sudden the install is no longer sane |
| 05:08.39 | torrentfox | if it ever was |
| 05:08.43 | undesktop | ? |
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| 05:09.16 | torrentfox | there are 4 entries for debian, same ancient kernel |
| 05:09.55 | torrentfox | and now it's stuck on "no ipv6 routers present" |
| 05:10.24 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:10.31 | Nyle | !enter |
| 05:10.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 05:10.34 | Nyle | ffs |
| 05:10.53 | torrentfox | this isn't a book |
| 05:10.58 | torrentfox | punctuation is not necessary |
| 05:11.36 | troubled | torrentfox: do you feel the need to send a 10 page patch to LKML with each line in a seperate email? |
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| 05:12.17 | simonrvn | !fud |
| 05:12.17 | dpkg | fud is probably Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 05:12.39 | torrentfox | no, but then again irc != mail |
| 05:14.11 | troubled | torrentfox: no, if it was, it wouldnt be called irc. but that doesnt me that you need to send each word as an individual msg |
| 05:14.27 | torrentfox | I'm not, I'm sending each thought as an individual message |
| 05:14.34 | torrentfox | on an otherwise quiet channel |
| 05:15.08 | Nyle | 1 |
| 05:15.53 | undesktop | <soap:Envelope xmlns:soap="http://...">... |
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| 05:19.08 | torrentfox | but I guess you guys would rather make petty arguments about netiquette and play with your bots than help a user out |
| 05:19.23 | sharika | hi some program in ma debian is constantly blocking sound card..is there any method to trace which one that is? |
| 05:19.30 | torrentfox | I'm starting to remember why I stopped using this distro in the first place |
| 05:19.48 | hark | sharika: lsof/fuser |
| 05:21.32 | mandrigal | whats your problem? |
| 05:23.53 | troubled | tolecnal: so your retort is that manners, general channel policy and respect for the rest of the people here dont mean jack and you should instead insult us and do whatever you please in a channel. but oh yes, we should still help you with your problems? |
| 05:24.33 | troubled | tolecnal: sorry, was meant for someone else |
| 05:24.34 | hark | troubled: he left :) |
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| 05:26.06 | troubled | hark: yes. too bad. still worth finishing the thought for the rest of the channel as im sure the feeling is mutual |
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| 05:27.51 | sharika | hark: can i be sure that an exited program will no longer make the sound card blocked?forgive my ignorance;) |
| 05:29.08 | hark | sharika: it shouldn't.. what is blocking the card? "lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*" and see |
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| 05:34.38 | penrod | greetings, I have a debian distro, with samba , had a "whack" files restored from a backup server, and now I have a big "whack" of files with a "~" at the end of the filename, what is the most prudent method of renaming eliminating the "~" ? |
| 05:35.19 | CompWizd | mmv can do something like that |
| 05:36.05 | penrod | compwizd: I will look at he manpage... |
| 05:36.53 | sharika | ok.its a temporary problem here..now the card is not blocked..but usually i see the card blocked as i start the system and login..as i relogin the sound card will be ok..i have the esd disabled..as the sound card is "blocked" i cant play the audio player and xmms will report that the sound card is not properly configured.ok ill scan with lsof when its blocked again |
| 05:37.23 | penrod | compwizd: if I remember correctly I tried mmv one time and was confused, i will look at the manpage and see if it triggers a memory. |
| 05:37.57 | lfs | The find command will go through files and run a command on them. |
| 05:38.12 | lfs | It is not the most user friendly |
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| 05:39.06 | penrod | lfs: sounds like a somewhat convulated shell script is required, I was hoping for something real simple. |
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| 05:40.15 | lfs | sounds a little complicated |
| 05:40.49 | penrod | lfs: I should say challenging, and isn't that what it is all about |
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| 05:42.49 | rokra | Hi |
| 05:43.19 | The-Kernel | hi rokra |
| 05:43.20 | rokra | Someone know if we can add 2 transports method in 1 directors in exim? |
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| 05:50.44 | mandrigal | how do i update my apt-get |
| 05:51.01 | toresbe | apt-get update , apt-get upgrade |
| 05:51.11 | toresbe | same as any other package. |
| 05:51.26 | mandrigal | kewl tnx |
| 05:51.31 | mandrigal | stupid me |
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| 05:52.07 | toresbe | np :) |
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| 05:53.08 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 05:53.48 | jeffrin | is it possible to configure a single samab daemon as PDC as well as AD member domain |
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| 05:54.52 | streuner | jeffrin: #samba |
| 05:55.01 | mandrigal | this is so much easier/better than windows update |
| 05:55.04 | mandrigal | faster |
| 05:55.48 | jeffrin | ok i tried there before .. i will try again |
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| 05:58.10 | streuner | Azjo: /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 05:58.48 | streuner | Azjo: x64 is amd64? |
| 05:58.54 | Azjo | yes |
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| 05:59.36 | streuner | there is channel for, but some people here prolly could help, so just ask |
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| 05:59.53 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 05:59.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about ... |
| 05:59.56 | Azjo | i did ask in linuxhelp but no one is awake |
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| 06:00.34 | Azjo | but i am completely new so its only the very basics i am trying to learn |
| 06:01.38 | streuner | Did you read the HOWTO and the FAQ mention in the factoid? |
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| 06:01.52 | streuner | s/mention/mentioned/ |
| 06:02.06 | mandrigal | what up enouf |
| 06:02.08 | streuner | enough :-) |
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| 06:03.01 | Azjo | no i didnt. where can i find that? or are you referring to readme.xxx? |
| 06:03.32 | streuner | !tell Azjo about amd64 |
| 06:05.08 | Azjo | Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. <-- what is negative about using amd64 if there isnt a specific reason to use it? |
| 06:05.40 | ameyer | Azjo: some things tend not to work |
| 06:05.49 | ameyer | Azjo: non-free things mostly |
| 06:06.14 | ameyer | well, not easily work |
| 06:07.13 | Azjo | ah i see. my goal is however to set up a ut2004 64bit server :) |
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| 06:07.14 | popt | who use Mplayer here? |
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| 06:07.26 | popt | is it possible to make a song play repeatly? |
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| 06:07.38 | popt | can't find the option |
| 06:08.04 | Daskreech | Azjo: planning on recompiling UT2004 ? |
| 06:08.18 | elenril | popt, -loop 0 |
| 06:08.27 | Azjo | im not thar far, so i cant answer on that one |
| 06:08.34 | Azjo | that* |
| 06:08.37 | popt | a command arg? |
| 06:08.49 | elenril | what else |
| 06:08.50 | popt | is there a menu option for it? |
| 06:09.23 | popt | I'm using MPlayer with a nifty light blue skin |
| 06:09.31 | popt | :( |
| 06:09.33 | popt | ok |
| 06:09.52 | aredhel | popt, ask in #mplayer |
| 06:10.10 | popt | good idea |
| 06:10.12 | popt | will ask |
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| 06:12.13 | popt | thanks |
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| 06:12.57 | rootmos | does anyone run hostapd? |
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| 06:13.12 | Azjo | when you write apt-get what exactly does it connect to? ftp.XXX.debian.org? |
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| 06:14.37 | aredhel | Azjo, what ever you have listed in you /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 06:14.45 | kire_ | Hello! I installed the w3c-validator package but how could i check my html-file? I couldnt even invoke the validator... |
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| 06:16.37 | Azjo | apt-get install ia32-libs gives me an error. briefly: 13 permission denied, asking me if im root? |
| 06:17.01 | Iridos | kire_, I have a firefox-plugin that does that job |
| 06:17.08 | Iridos | perhaps even uses it |
| 06:17.15 | Iridos | just checking |
| 06:17.34 | toresbe | Azjo: are you root? |
| 06:17.48 | Azjo | i obviously have no idea :) |
| 06:17.54 | Azjo | all ive done is login |
| 06:18.00 | streuner | Azjo: whoami |
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| 06:18.26 | Azjo | gives me my username |
| 06:18.31 | toresbe | Azjo: you need to log in as root (the administrative user) before you can do system administration |
| 06:18.48 | Azjo | ah i see the problem then |
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| 06:18.54 | toresbe | Azjo: just use "su" to become root |
| 06:19.19 | Iridos | kire_, how did you install that thing? |
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| 06:21.30 | Azjo | there we go. |
| 06:22.44 | Azjo | when i tried to login to admin, it just acted like when you press enter when i pressed enter after writing password, 30 secs later it replies that the passw is incorrect even though i know it defitenely isnt? |
| 06:23.01 | kire_ | Iridos: I installed the package w3c-markup-validator using gnome-desktop. I've found an error-console in iceweasel, that works, i think |
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| 06:23.37 | alekz | Hi! How can I change the icon of a symbolic link from command line? |
| 06:23.59 | Daskreech | alekz: depends on your DE |
| 06:24.31 | alekz | Daskreech I'm using kde |
| 06:24.37 | alekz | 3.5 btw |
| 06:24.50 | kire_ | Is there a command-line tool for checking html and css files? |
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| 06:27.25 | Azjo | debootstrap --arch i386 sid /var/chroot/sid-ia32 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ <-- command not found it says |
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| 06:30.56 | Iridos | kire_, that validator uses your webserver... it is the same you use at the W3C website... |
| 06:30.57 | Rhoruns | does anyone know if required that i use a terminator if i want to install a scsi drive? |
| 06:31.07 | Rhoruns | if it's required** |
| 06:31.07 | ribasushi | hi |
| 06:31.07 | Iridos | you use it by uploading your documents to it |
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| 06:31.27 | ertg | Hi! On a debian system how can i allow to run a command (but only this) for a non- privileged user. I bet i' ve to do it from sudoers, but how? (The command is apache2ctl restart. |
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| 06:31.33 | ribasushi | does anyone experience brief (1 sec) system freezes when resizing windows after upgrading to gtk2? |
| 06:31.55 | ribasushi | I don't see any bug reports, and wanted to make sure the issue is not on my end |
| 06:31.57 | Iridos | kire_, how about "tidy"? |
| 06:32.22 | kire_ | Iridos: never heard of it |
| 06:33.09 | hoxu | ertg, make a wrapper script/program that calls that and make it setuid? |
| 06:34.22 | ribasushi | ertg: add the line: |
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| 06:35.00 | aspWork | morning guys, since i upgraded to lenny whenever i boot i need to demute the volume and turn it up, is there any way to force the saving of my volume settings? |
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| 06:35.33 | Iridos | kire_, try 'apt-cache show tidy' to see if its what youre looking for |
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| 06:36.20 | ertg | hoxu: if possible i' d like to solve it from sudoers, but if not, then yours is a good idea. |
| 06:36.27 | ribasushi | <your user> ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: <app> |
| 06:36.40 | ertg | ribasushi: i try it out. |
| 06:36.44 | ribasushi | ertg: untested |
| 06:36.53 | ribasushi | ertg: refer to the examples in man sudoers |
| 06:36.53 | ertg | Should i use <> in it? |
| 06:37.00 | ribasushi | ertg: no |
| 06:37.03 | ertg | ok. |
| 06:37.43 | ertg | ribasushi: Can the <app> have parameters? |
| 06:38.06 | ribasushi | ertg: not sure, not that much of a sudoer myself |
| 06:38.13 | ribasushi | ertg: but the manual is quite extensive |
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| 06:39.02 | kire_ | Iridos: yeah, thats what i thought of...i often have the problem, that i install a package and couldnt even call the manpage, cause i have no command... |
| 06:39.13 | ertg | ribasushi: yes, i have seen it. I wrote this line for test: guest ALL=(ROOT) NOPASSWD: ls , but i got syntax error.. |
| 06:39.44 | kire_ | so could i use that w3c-validator? |
| 06:39.58 | ribasushi | ertg: ROOT must be lower case |
| 06:40.01 | kire_ | +how |
| 06:40.03 | hoxu | ertg, man 5 sudoers and type /^EXAMPLES :P |
| 06:40.35 | Iridos | kire_, which one? :) |
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| 06:41.33 | kire_ | Iridos: the one i installed with the package above |
| 06:41.41 | ertg | ribasushi: well, i tried it out with ALL, but still the same error. |
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| 06:41.55 | ertg | hoxu: i' m checking. |
| 06:42.01 | Iridos | w3c-markup-validator? |
| 06:42.11 | kire_ | Iridos: yes |
| 06:42.32 | zu22 | ugh my /var/lib/dpkg/available seems to have gotten corrupted when system lost power, now when i try to install anything it complains about whatever package is listed first in the file, if i delete it, it complains about the new first package, how can i fix this? running testing |
| 06:43.15 | ribasushi | ertg: then you have something else in the file, maybe missing trailing newline |
| 06:43.32 | Iridos | kire_, look in /usr/share/doc/w3c-markup-validator/README.Debian |
| 06:43.35 | ribasushi | ertg: I am using a similar line for years |
| 06:43.43 | Iridos | kire_, it says: |
| 06:43.46 | zu22 | any ideas appreciated |
| 06:43.48 | Iridos | The markup validator is accessible locally at the URL |
| 06:43.53 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.05 | ertg | ribasushi: well, if i uncomment it, it works, and there are some blank lines at the end of the file, but i check it again, maybe i mispelled something. |
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| 06:44.45 | mandrigal | damn "beep on error" |
| 06:45.47 | Iridos | zu22, there's a backup of that file, I think |
| 06:45.53 | Iridos | check in the same directory |
| 06:46.13 | zu22 | Iridos: hmm lemme check |
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| 06:47.15 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:47.34 | ertg | ribasushi: well, i don' t know, could You please take a look on it at http://rafb.net/p/GrUxFi97.html . |
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| 06:49.35 | zu22 | Iridos: ah yes there is an 'available-old', can i just cp that to 'available' and it will be ok? |
| 06:49.48 | Iridos | zu22, if you are lucky :) |
| 06:50.03 | Iridos | you could mv the other one 1st, though |
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| 06:50.56 | zu22 | Iridos: ok thx |
| 06:50.58 | kire_ | Iridos:thx, i think the w3c-validator works a little bit better, but its only online available. Are there more tools? |
| 06:51.26 | Iridos | kire_, dunno... tidy's not bad... |
| 06:51.52 | ertg | ertg: hehe, my problem was, that i used only ls instead of /bin/ls |
| 06:52.03 | Iridos | hm |
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| 06:52.17 | Iridos | how do I check which add-ons I got installed in iceweasel |
| 06:52.33 | ertg | ribasushi: hehe, my problem was, that i used only ls instead of /bin/ls |
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| 06:52.35 | Iridos | i got some validation addon/plugin that's pretty ok for my needs |
| 06:52.41 | Iridos | dont know what its called though |
| 06:53.08 | undesktop | extension should be in that dialog, plugins in about:plugins |
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| 06:53.10 | Iridos | hm, ah... it *is* called html-tidy |
| 06:53.18 | jackle | Good day everyone |
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| 06:54.27 | Iridos | kire_, I think it is this one http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ ...looks similar to what I have (just googled for it) |
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| 06:56.48 | zu22 | Iridos: i cp'd /var/lib/dpkg/available-old to /var/lib/dpkg/available and tried to install a new package and now i get the error: http://pastebin.ca/718240 |
| 06:56.49 | Iridos | undesktop, ah, thx - found it tools->add-ons |
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| 06:58.29 | zu22 | Iridos: maybe the power outage damaged some other package manager files, anyway i can have it start fresh (build all new files it needs)? |
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| 06:59.45 | Iridos | zu22, well, you can try to just add a newline... if that line is the end of the file... if both files are corrupted... I have no idea... copying one to the other worked when the same happened to me |
| 07:00.50 | alekz | Any idea of how can I change a symbolic link's icon from command line? |
| 07:01.03 | zu22 | Iridos: ok, i went to that line and it's the last line in the file, package description of grep-dctrl, the sentence suddenly cuts off, looks like fsck zapped some bad parts of the file after the power outage |
| 07:02.06 | Iridos | hah... ask dpkg :) |
| 07:02.08 | Iridos | !available |
| 07:02.08 | dpkg | hmm... available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 07:02.15 | zu22 | Iridos: ok i did what you said and it let me install the package bu i got some strange messages, can i pastebin them for ya? |
| 07:02.29 | zu22 | Iridos: cool |
| 07:02.36 | Iridos | smart bot :) |
| 07:02.41 | Iridos | shouldve thought of that earlier |
| 07:02.51 | ertg | ribasushi: My problem with this solution is, that the user will be able to run only this program, but with every parameters. I want the user be able to use only with the specified parameters. Do You have any idea for it from sudoers? |
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| 07:03.28 | zu22 | Iridos: http://pastebin.ca/718243 i know /usr/lib/libgd.a was blown away by fsck (clear'd it), should i try reinstalling each of the libraries it's complaining about? |
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| 07:03.54 | Iridos | what did you do with your system?! : |
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| 07:03.56 | Iridos | :) |
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| 07:04.53 | Iridos | not sure about that... look at some of the files... could be soft-links also? |
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| 07:05.54 | zu22 | Iridos: it wasn't me, i had power outage, when i powered system back on e2fsck ran all these checks and made me answer <y> for clearing certain inodes/blocks etc.. |
| 07:06.23 | zu22 | Iridos: i need save up some money to buy a UPS pronto! |
| 07:06.28 | Iridos | heh |
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| 07:06.44 | Iridos | i just meant... pretty unusual to have so much damage to the fs |
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| 07:07.19 | zu22 | what is the command to ask dpkg what package owns a file? such as the file /usr/lib/libpurple.so.0.0.1 |
| 07:07.24 | zu22 | the channel bot "dpkg" that is :) |
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| 07:07.42 | zu22 | that file doesn't exist on my system otherwise i'd do "dpkg -S" |
| 07:08.10 | Iridos | apt-file search filename |
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| 07:08.17 | zu22 | Iridos: thanks again |
| 07:08.42 | Iridos | (apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update before you use it) |
| 07:08.52 | Iridos | or use dlocate |
| 07:08.54 | zu22 | Iridos: cool |
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| 07:09.16 | Iridos | but need to do updatedlocatedb 1st (works like locate, but on the apt repository) |
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| 07:09.44 | Iridos | er, sorry |
| 07:09.53 | Iridos | not on the repository, I think on the installed packages |
| 07:09.59 | Iridos | or rather the files within |
| 07:10.03 | zu22 | Iridos: updated you mean or "updatedb;locatedb" |
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| 07:10.32 | zu22 | Iridos: you said "updatedlocatedb" |
| 07:10.42 | Iridos | hm... yeah... remembered incorrectly |
| 07:10.45 | zu22 | heh |
| 07:11.00 | Iridos | or it changed |
| 07:11.02 | Iridos | dunno |
| 07:11.16 | ma3x | why did my system shut automatically down? I got this in /var/log/messages: gconfd (ma3x-8851): GConf server is not in use, shutting down. gconfd (ma3x-8851): Exiting kernel: ACPI: Critical trip point shutdown[9119]: shutting down for system halt kernel: ACPI: Critical trip point |
| 07:11.26 | Iridos | zu22, update-dlocatedb (as root, though) |
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| 07:11.41 | ameyer | ma3x: overheating perhaps? |
| 07:11.49 | zu22 | Iridos: ah, thx |
| 07:11.56 | ma3x | ameyer, what else could be the reason? |
| 07:11.57 | zu22 | ma3x: power spike? |
| 07:12.19 | ma3x | yes, the power is oscilating from time to time |
| 07:12.34 | zu22 | ma3x: buy a UPS :) |
| 07:13.01 | ma3x | I already have one (battery in the laptop) but I removed it |
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| 07:13.06 | ameyer | man, I wonder how high I can get my load without frying my processor or losing a significant amount of responsiveness... |
| 07:13.23 | zu22 | ma3x: heh |
| 07:13.45 | zu22 | ameyer: get that program crashme |
| 07:14.22 | ameyer | I'm at 13.45 using a bunch of cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
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| 07:14.35 | ameyer | and my processor appears to be at 73 C |
| 07:15.20 | zu22 | ameyer: mine has been at 90 C under high load but it's an old P3 |
| 07:15.33 | ma3x | so if it's overheating, does linux cause the shutdown or bios? |
| 07:15.35 | fr0nk | heeeey :D |
| 07:15.36 | fr0nk | moin |
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| 07:15.39 | troubled | ameyer: renice -20 -p `pidof cat` |
| 07:15.47 | ameyer | old p3 here... |
| 07:15.53 | Havis | ameyer: try cpuburn package (aptitude install cpuburn) and then burnP6 for every core |
| 07:15.59 | ameyer | fan just kicked in... |
| 07:16.05 | fr0nk | <- super laune :D |
| 07:16.15 | fr0nk | http://frank.0x711.de/hart.jpg htt nie gedacht dass ich das selbst hinbekomm |
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| 07:17.16 | KriS83 | Hey everyone |
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| 07:19.36 | wsdo_okadr | how do I set base in bc ? |
| 07:19.37 | zu22 | hey |
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| 07:19.41 | ameyer | I'm at 22.71 with decent responsiveness... |
| 07:19.42 | wsdo_okadr | I've already tried obase |
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| 07:19.53 | ameyer | 23 even... |
| 07:19.57 | Iridos | ok, night |
| 07:20.09 | troubled | ameyer: with just cat? |
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| 07:20.41 | ameyer | well, many cats |
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| 07:21.00 | troubled | ameyer: renice one to -20? |
| 07:21.11 | mandrigal | i just tried to use md5sum to findout the md5 of an iso i just dled, and it tried to check the files within the image 0_o? |
| 07:21.20 | Havis | ameyer: why not dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null |
| 07:21.27 | troubled | ameyer: mind you, the responsiveness might take a hit with that |
| 07:21.35 | ameyer | troubled: indeed |
| 07:21.41 | mandrigal | with 'md5sum -c file.iso' |
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| 07:22.02 | zu22 | how do you interpret "load average", for example i have now "1.20 0.75 0.69" is that good? |
| 07:22.26 | ameyer | well... |
| 07:22.30 | ameyer | Hostname: amaretto - OS: Linux 2.6.18-5-686/i686 - CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) (498.500 MHz) - Processes: 151 - Uptime: 3h 47m - Load Average: 23.92 - Memory Usage: 94.17MB/123.97MB (75.96%) - Disk Usage: 2.96GB/7.20GB (41.07%) |
| 07:22.35 | The-Kernel | zu22: that's great, your CPU is pretty much doing nothing |
| 07:22.37 | troubled | zu22: system been slowly getting more loaded over the last 15 minutes |
| 07:23.31 | The-Kernel | ameyer: what WM do you run |
| 07:23.32 | The-Kernel | ? |
| 07:23.41 | ameyer | fluxbox |
| 07:24.12 | Havis | ameyer: nice old PIII? :D |
| 07:24.16 | The-Kernel | ameyer: ah, understandable |
| 07:24.35 | ameyer | ok, my load average is up to 24 and responsiveness is starting to suffer |
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| 07:25.08 | troubled | ameyer: your sick! ;) |
| 07:25.11 | The-Kernel | ameyer: what are you doing? |
| 07:25.40 | ameyer | The-Kernel: messing around with cat to see how high I could get my load |
| 07:25.45 | zu22 | The-Kernel: cool |
| 07:25.50 | The-Kernel | oh... |
| 07:25.53 | Havis | ameyer: you should try some hdd bench like iozone with some cpu load |
| 07:25.54 | zu22 | troubled: ah |
| 07:26.04 | ameyer | if it wasn't 50F in here, I might have fried my processor |
| 07:26.13 | The-Kernel | pfft |
| 07:26.27 | The-Kernel | I run PIII without heatsinks, and still have no problems |
| 07:26.31 | troubled | ameyer: im sure your system would halt before that happened :) |
| 07:26.36 | The-Kernel | maybe on a hot day I'll have trouble |
| 07:26.47 | stew | hopefully it is hard to overheat a processor with 'cat'. disks maybe, but not processor |
| 07:26.47 | zu22 | The-Kernel: PIII 700MHz here, my CPU hits 90 C :) |
| 07:27.06 | The-Kernel | I have a PIII 950 |
| 07:27.07 | ameyer | apparently 80F is the maximum temperature according to intel, I got it up to about 77 |
| 07:27.08 | The-Kernel | mine hits 10C |
| 07:27.11 | Havis | zu22: maybe you should use heatsink :D |
| 07:27.11 | The-Kernel | oops |
| 07:27.12 | ameyer | *80C |
| 07:27.14 | zu22 | HDD usually around 35 to 45 C |
| 07:27.16 | The-Kernel | 70C |
| 07:27.21 | zu22 | Havis: hehe |
| 07:27.37 | zu22 | this is a laptop and my exhaust fan broke |
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| 07:27.40 | Havis | P4 2.8GHz 46C :) |
| 07:27.41 | zu22 | but CPU fan still works heh |
| 07:27.46 | The-Kernel | my gaming machine athlon64 is around 26 right now |
| 07:27.48 | troubled | ameyer: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6163281069031649349 |
| 07:27.59 | The-Kernel | full load, 32C |
| 07:28.01 | popt | I also have a pentium, running fb |
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| 07:28.13 | dimsuz | hi! i'm unable to boot in debian testing. it stops on "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem" any hints, guys? |
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| 07:29.03 | Havis | you should try cpuburn, i get 2-3 more degreese on CPU with that :P |
| 07:29.56 | ttl_work | greetings... i'm using debian lenny, i recently started to like gnome commander but i can't figure out how to make it open files with the programs i want. |
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| 07:30.42 | ttl_work | I tried to add a few under settings->options->programs but it does not work |
| 07:30.42 | ameyer | troubled: nice |
| 07:30.58 | troubled | ameyer: >:) |
| 07:31.00 | linc | how is everyone doing tonight? i got questions about sharing a printer to a (mostly) windows home network. with only command line |
| 07:31.01 | ameyer | I'd actually seen iit before |
| 07:31.08 | ameyer | I think |
| 07:31.41 | ttl_work | edit mime types does not work at all |
| 07:32.09 | cahoot | ttl_work, checked if gconf-editor can be of use? |
| 07:32.25 | linc | anyone have any hints/tips/direction i could go for more info? |
| 07:32.55 | troubled | linc: google for cups howto? |
| 07:33.08 | ttl_work | cahoot: no |
| 07:33.13 | ttl_work | cahoot: but i will now |
| 07:33.19 | zu22 | what country is .vi ? |
| 07:33.28 | linc | troubled: anything specific? i've tried most of the howtos |
| 07:33.38 | linc | but i don't understand much of it |
| 07:34.06 | troubled | linc: if thats the case, cli printing is probably beyond your skill no matter what :) |
| 07:34.19 | cahoot | linc, a win system being printerserver? |
| 07:34.30 | linc | cahoot: debian |
| 07:35.37 | cahoot | linc, if the win systems are w2k or xp cups can handle the task using a raw printerqueue |
| 07:35.40 | troubled | ~swat |
| 07:35.40 | apt | somebody said swat was Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with |
| 07:35.54 | linc | cahoot: windows xp and one vista machine |
| 07:35.57 | troubled | nm, thinking wrong web front end |
| 07:36.03 | linc | also a ubuntu machine |
| 07:36.24 | troubled | linc: i believe cups has a web interface for it to help ease setup |
| 07:36.27 | troubled | ~cups |
| 07:36.27 | apt | methinks cups is a thing that booze goes into. |
| 07:36.32 | troubled | ... |
| 07:36.37 | cahoot | linc, linuxprinting.org has a fine howto |
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| 07:37.46 | linc | but cups will allow me to do the sharing? |
| 07:37.50 | cahoot | yes |
| 07:38.00 | linc | cahoot: awesome thanks. |
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| 07:38.16 | cahoot | reservation about the vista part though |
| 07:38.34 | linc | vistas my HTPC |
| 07:38.51 | cahoot | horrible time pc? |
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| 07:38.55 | troubled | heh |
| 07:39.12 | linc | no it works just fine. as long as all i do is watch tv and movies and such |
| 07:39.37 | cahoot | I just didn't grok the akronym |
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| 07:39.54 | linc | home theater pc |
| 07:40.37 | ttl_work | cahoot: it seems there is no entry for gnome-commander in the gconf-editor... |
| 07:41.25 | troubled | linc: dont let your vista machine see you on irc in a linux channel, I hear your license revokes |
| 07:42.00 | linc | troubled: lol yea i'll watch out for it |
| 07:42.28 | troubled | linc: would be interesting to know how mythtv runs on that hardware |
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| 07:42.38 | mandrigal | shit |
| 07:42.49 | mandrigal | i just realized sumthin stupid |
| 07:42.56 | mandrigal | i didnt take into account |
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| 07:43.06 | troubled | ...the enter key |
| 07:43.16 | troubled | ;) |
| 07:43.17 | mandrigal | my external drive is fat32 formated >_< |
| 07:43.26 | mandrigal | my bad :p |
| 07:43.26 | linc | troubled: i'm having trouble sharing a printer... i think i setting up mythtv is a bit beyond my scope... |
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| 07:45.13 | troubled | mandrigal: why is that a problem? |
| 07:45.15 | rootmos | anyone good at hostapd? |
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| 07:45.49 | mandrigal | does gzip compress isos well? |
| 07:45.52 | mandrigal | ne1 know? |
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| 07:47.00 | troubled | linc: heh. well, if you can get cups started at least, you can try the web setup at http://localhost:631 i think it is |
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| 07:47.42 | linc | the printer works |
| 07:47.49 | linc | i just donno how to share the thing |
| 07:48.16 | cahoot | http://www.debianadmin.com/setup-cups-common-unix-printing-system-server-and-client-in-debian.html - linc |
| 07:48.28 | troubled | linc: well, cant say ive played with ipp much, but if its setup, have you tried point the windows machine at the url ipp://linuxip:631? |
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| 07:48.45 | troubled | linc: that or just use samba to do it and share it that way |
| 07:48.46 | linc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.54 | linc | just a sec |
| 07:48.55 | troubled | ~ipp |
| 07:48.55 | apt | rumour has it, ipp is Internet Printing Protocol, a http based protocol for sharing printers on a network. See CUPS for a linux implementation |
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| 07:49.59 | linc | k |
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| 07:50.04 | cahoot | linc, create a 'raw' printer on the cups server, point your win systems to http://<server>:631/printers/<name of raw printer> |
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| 07:51.15 | troubled | cahoot: thanks for the full url, wasnt sure there |
| 07:51.30 | linc | you lost me with the raw printer |
| 07:51.35 | linc | almost sounds sexual |
| 07:51.40 | cahoot | i think ipp makes :631 redundant |
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| 07:51.57 | troubled | wouldnt surprise me |
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| 07:53.00 | ganjolinux | hi to all ^^ |
| 07:53.16 | linc | ipp wont work in IE or firefox |
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| 07:53.38 | troubled | linc: do the windows add printer wizard |
| 07:54.25 | linc | just a min |
| 07:54.30 | linc | trying it out now |
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| 07:55.28 | linc | "printing failed when starting the document" |
| 07:56.30 | cahoot | linc, of course you need see to that the server accepts connections from your LAN |
| 07:56.47 | cahoot | i e the cups server |
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| 07:57.01 | linc | everything else works (samba) |
| 07:57.20 | linc | cahoot: how do i check cups server? |
| 07:57.28 | cahoot | http://www.debianadmin.com/setup-cups-common-unix-printing-system-server-and-client-in-debian.html - linc |
| 07:57.51 | linc | ok gimme a few mins let me read and study |
| 07:57.56 | linc | thanks |
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| 08:00.28 | mandrigal | good good study, day day up! |
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| 08:02.00 | mandrigal | i wish gzip had a progress indicator |
| 08:02.30 | cahoot | you think it works too fast? |
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| 08:03.17 | jelly-home | even dd has a progress indicator |
| 08:03.58 | stew | mandrigal: apt-cache show pv |
| 08:04.02 | mandrigal | nah not to fast,its taking its time |
| 08:04.12 | mandrigal | i'm compressing at -9 |
| 08:04.24 | iguannago | hi all, if i want to set up a enviornmet variable for ever, is it right if i add this variable into /etc/profile file? |
| 08:05.23 | jelly-home | iguannago: /etc/environment might be a better place. If it's a locale setting, /etc/default/locale |
| 08:05.48 | jelly-home | iguannago: do you only want it for interactive shells? |
| 08:06.06 | mandrigal | can someone tell me what i did wrong plz "md5sum -b debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso && gzip -9 debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso deb.gz && md5sum -b deb.gz" |
| 08:07.17 | iguannago | jelly-home: what can i want it more for? |
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| 08:07.50 | jelly-home | programs started in X from a menu thingy |
| 08:09.21 | Supaplex | mandrigal: gzip usually attempts to gzip all files you pass it. it'll ignore files with .gz extensions. |
| 08:09.52 | iguannago | at this moment i am not sure, if i'd want ...what would i have to do? |
| 08:10.11 | mandrigal | i realize what i did now :( |
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| 08:10.25 | mandrigal | i thought i had to tell it an output name |
| 08:10.38 | mandrigal | which is what i intended by deb.gz |
| 08:10.46 | jelly-home | iguannago: you'd have to use /etc/environment |
| 08:11.25 | mandrigal | but instead it ziped the first file than looked for deb.gz which didnt exist :( |
| 08:11.32 | mandrigal | *then |
| 08:11.42 | jelly-home | mandrigal: gzip doesn't do intentions. Also, you won't save much space with that... that packages on the image are already compressed |
| 08:12.08 | mandrigal | doh! :( |
| 08:12.14 | iguannago | jelly-home: if i don't have 'environment'? |
| 08:12.39 | mandrigal | i'm trying to squish it into fat32 |
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| 08:13.53 | mandrigal | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 08:14.23 | jelly-home | iguannago: create it |
| 08:14.26 | iguannago | jelly-home: sorry, i have it |
| 08:15.11 | stew | mandrigal: what do you mean by "squish it into fat32" |
| 08:15.30 | mandrigal | make it small enough that it will fit onto a fat32 file system |
| 08:15.39 | mandrigal | its larger that 4 gig |
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| 08:16.13 | simu | is there a way to what packages have been installed in the last few days on a sever with apt-get install |
| 08:16.14 | jelly-home | mandrigal: split it |
| 08:16.17 | stew | mandrigal: do you need to squish it? or can you just split it? (man split) |
| 08:16.31 | messju | hi, how do I disable ctrl-alt-del on the console? |
| 08:16.34 | simu | ((is there a way to see)) |
| 08:16.40 | stew | simu: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 08:16.59 | simu | thanks stew |
| 08:17.08 | stew | simu: (assuming you have dpkg >= 1.13 |
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| 08:20.08 | jelly-home | messju: comment out the ca: entry in /etc/inittab, reload init. |
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| 08:22.48 | messju | ah, didn't find it at first sight. thanks! |
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| 08:24.51 | mandrigal | is split gonna cutup my orginal? |
| 08:25.11 | mandrigal | or spit out split copies? |
| 08:25.25 | mandrigal | i guess i should practice on a junk file |
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| 08:26.42 | nvz | mandrigal: did you not read the manpage? |
| 08:26.51 | mandrigal | yep |
| 08:26.53 | nvz | it says it splits input into prefix |
| 08:27.08 | mandrigal | prefix confused me |
| 08:27.17 | nvz | see the synopsis |
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| 08:27.57 | Teejay__ | hi |
| 08:28.05 | nvz | Teejay__: not yet, but we're working on it |
| 08:28.16 | mandrigal | is prefix what it tacks onto the end of each peice? |
| 08:28.29 | nvz | mandrigal: since when does prefix mean end? |
| 08:28.36 | nvz | thats postfix |
| 08:28.45 | Teejay__ | oh actually I want to ask for those who use an Gnome desktop environment what would be a good recommendation for a video player |
| 08:28.47 | nvz | pre means beginning |
| 08:29.05 | surrounder | Teejay__: imho mplayer is the way to go |
| 08:29.09 | nvz | Teejay__: I prefer xineui, but ymmv, totem is the gnome player |
| 08:29.11 | mandrigal | k |
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| 08:31.16 | Teejay__ | what's your opinions of totem, well the xine version of it? |
| 08:31.34 | nvz | Teejay__: all depends on what you are looking for really.. my choice of everyday movie player is xineui because mplayer seems to have no repeat feature at all, and totem has too much damn UI I just want something I can stick a naked video playback window somewhere a certain size, and aspect ratio and have it repeat if needed |
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| 08:32.39 | mandrigal | ok so i established that it dosent destroy my original |
| 08:32.43 | nvz | I love mplayer for the fact it can play virtually anything in any way possible.. but for a simple pron viewer its terrible IMO |
| 08:33.05 | mandrigal | no love for vlc? |
| 08:33.05 | nvz | its more for manipulating files of unknown formats or corruptions |
| 08:33.17 | nvz | mandrigal: only on windows cause windows lacks a real video player |
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| 08:33.32 | nvz | mandrigal: on debian xine-ui is my pr0n player of choice |
| 08:33.34 | mandrigal | what about mpc? |
| 08:33.41 | nvz | never tried it |
| 08:33.43 | mandrigal | for windoze |
| 08:33.47 | nvz | totem blows IMO |
| 08:33.53 | mandrigal | media player classic |
| 08:34.31 | nvz | you can't seem to detach the totem ui from the video window |
| 08:34.40 | Teejay__ | I'll try out xine-ui, I used to use gxine |
| 08:35.07 | nvz | if I wanna put 4 different pr0n videos on my screen a certain size and tell em to repeat without any controls or other UI b.s. xine-ui will do it no questions asked |
| 08:35.13 | nvz | none of the other players will |
| 08:35.29 | nvz | they all have their pros and cons |
| 08:36.01 | nvz | mplayer could be the greatest player ever cause its ridculously featured.. just for whatever reason seems to lack the most basic feature of all.. repeat |
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| 08:36.23 | mandrigal | k i think i got the hang of split |
| 08:36.42 | nvz | not to mention the playlist manager sucks big harry horse cock |
| 08:36.51 | mandrigal | what do i do when its time to combine the peices? |
| 08:37.02 | mandrigal | vlc's playlist blows |
| 08:37.11 | mandrigal | i wish winamp was open |
| 08:37.26 | mandrigal | i cant wait for the linux port of xbmc |
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| 08:38.20 | linc | setting up cups sucks |
| 08:38.55 | nvz | mandrigal: I'd think something like this would work though there is probably just a join utilitiy.. ls piece* | while read piece; do cat $piece >> whole; done |
| 08:39.39 | nvz | or just cat piece1 piece2 ... >> whole |
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| 08:41.58 | mandrigal | hmm intresting |
| 08:42.34 | slammer | hey all im doing a net install and it says installation step failed: select and install software |
| 08:42.53 | slammer | what do i need to do now |
| 08:43.00 | nvz | slammer: be specific? |
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| 08:43.31 | slammer | thats what the sreen says right now i dont know how to be more specific |
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| 08:43.41 | nvz | slammer: ugh say what happened before that |
| 08:43.48 | nvz | since that tells me nothing |
| 08:43.56 | nvz | did you fail to select, or fail to install? |
| 08:44.02 | nvz | I'm confused |
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| 08:45.38 | nvz | slammer: if you can't find it in yourself to be more verbose then you need to switch to the text console that is outputting more details and paste it somewhere or something |
| 08:45.42 | slammer | it says Dictionaries-common: ispell dictionary installation step failed you can try to run the failing item form menu or skip and choose something else the failing step is: select and install software |
| 08:46.19 | _RvGaTe | RvGaTe, stop stealing my name ! |
| 08:46.34 | nvz | slammer: ok well maybe you temporarily lost connection or your mirror is incomplete.. try changing the mirror or something then trying again |
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| 08:47.03 | _RvGaTe | good morning y'all :P |
| 08:47.04 | nvz | slammer: thats still vague though |
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| 08:47.21 | nvz | slammer: doesn't tell me why it failed.. could be a package error, could be a d/l error.. who knows |
| 08:47.29 | ppalmes | if i have a large iso image from home computer and want to download it to office computer, what is the progrm to use for fast or probably parallel download? |
| 08:48.03 | nvz | slammer: there are more than one console on the netinstall cd.. you are on tty1 the debian-installer.. there are logs running on other consoles perhaps tty2 or tty3 |
| 08:48.10 | mandrigal | i just realized this is the wrong damn file! |
| 08:48.41 | slammer | how do i see the other consoles |
| 08:48.49 | nvz | ppalmes: apache, rsync, scp.. your choice really |
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| 08:49.03 | nvz | slammer: alt+1 alt+2 ..etc |
| 08:49.11 | slammer | k |
| 08:49.26 | nvz | usually has to be the left alt key |
| 08:49.33 | slammer | k |
| 08:49.54 | gustavo | does anybody knows a rar password recovery for linux? |
| 08:50.35 | slammer | well i went back unselected the standard left desktop environment and laptop check and then hit enter it seems to be working for now |
| 08:50.53 | nvz | gustavo: there really is no such thing as password recovery anymore.. passwords are digested.. therefore all you can do is have a table of digests containing all possible passwords in a certain charset and brute force it |
| 08:51.07 | nvz | gustavo: did you just download some torrent with a password? |
| 08:51.56 | nvz | gustavo: usually the password is the same as the screen name of whoever uploaded the torrent |
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| 08:52.30 | mandrigal | also check the comments page >:) |
| 08:53.03 | wols | ppalmes: mpme.parallel downloaders don't work on a 1:1 connection |
| 08:53.06 | mandrigal | thank you everyone for all the help very educational |
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| 08:53.50 | xlotlu | is there any way to "dist-upgrade" across archs? |
| 08:54.00 | sigp239 | Does the 'nv' driver shipped with Debian Etch support my Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX? |
| 08:54.11 | nvz | sigp239: nope |
| 08:54.18 | nvz | sigp239: you need the nvidia driver |
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| 08:54.31 | sigp239 | nvz: I don't want any non-free closed-source on my server. |
| 08:54.41 | wols | sigp239: then use VESA |
| 08:54.46 | sigp239 | wols: Ew. |
| 08:54.46 | nvz | why the hell are you running X on your server to begin with |
| 08:54.58 | sigp239 | nvz: Because I develop on it as well as serve from it. |
| 08:55.07 | wols | he has a servre with a 8800GTX? GTX even? |
| 08:55.12 | nvz | and why did you buy hardware for a server that has closed source drivers if you don't want it |
| 08:55.21 | mandrigal | ther is a free nvidia driver, i forgot the name though |
| 08:55.33 | ameyer | nouveau? |
| 08:55.36 | CharminTheMoose | good morning! |
| 08:55.37 | mandrigal | thats it! |
| 08:55.40 | sigp239 | It doubles as a gaming rig as well. |
| 08:55.45 | nvz | hmm I never heard of that |
| 08:55.50 | ameyer | (at this stage it probably sucks more than nv) |
| 08:55.56 | ameyer | which is saying something |
| 08:56.05 | nvz | sigp239: heh, you sound like you are trying to do way too much with one machine |
| 08:56.08 | sigp239 | Does the 'nv' driver in Lenny support the 8800 GTX? |
| 08:56.08 | mandrigal | i hear its equal to nv as far as 2d goes |
| 08:56.32 | sigp239 | nvz: It's quite a machine. Quad Core, 4GB memory, raided raptors... |
| 08:56.33 | nvz | sigp239: afaik 'nv' doesnt support the nvidia 8xxx period |
| 08:56.43 | ameyer | back when I had nvidia graphics, I got the distinct impression that vesa would have been better than nv |
| 08:56.49 | mandrigal | does anyone happen to know that license ati released their source drivers under? |
| 08:57.01 | sigp239 | I believe vesa doesn't support wide screen resolutions |
| 08:57.07 | nvz | sigp239: and fyi nv is not accellerated anyhow so will not let you play games |
| 08:57.12 | ameyer | mandrigal: closed-source proprietary bullshit |
| 08:57.20 | ameyer | mandrigal: it was specs that they released |
| 08:57.21 | sigp239 | nvz: yes but vista will. on another partition. |
| 08:57.30 | nvz | sigp239: ew |
| 08:57.40 | slammer | ok i just got booted into the system thanks all im sure i will be back later with more questions |
| 08:57.45 | mandrigal | ameyer, oh, i herd they released source :( |
| 08:57.45 | sigp239 | nvz: lol |
| 08:57.50 | nvz | we are done talking |
| 08:57.54 | sigp239 | oh ok |
| 08:57.56 | nvz | I knew you were crazy |
| 08:58.04 | sigp239 | have you tried Vista 64-bit with 4GB ram? |
| 08:58.09 | nvz | just didnt know how crazy |
| 08:58.25 | ameyer | mandrigal: apparently they can't clear all the code in their drivers or something |
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| 08:58.42 | nvz | its not about how much ram, its about the fact that vista sucks ass |
| 08:58.46 | ameyer | honestly, specs might be better than the source to their closed drivers... |
| 08:58.50 | sigp239 | nvz: have you used it? honestly. |
| 08:58.54 | nvz | experience the WOW of windows vista |
| 08:59.08 | nvz | wow none of my hardware works anymore, wow, none of my software works either |
| 08:59.14 | ameyer | Wow, that's bloated |
| 08:59.21 | nvz | sigp239: yes I bought 3 machines with it |
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| 08:59.24 | sigp239 | I got a legit copy *given* to me for free buy a friend who accidently bought a 3-pack of Home Premium 64-bit. |
| 08:59.27 | nvz | sigp239: been regretting it ever since |
| 08:59.29 | ameyer | wow, my wallet's empty... |
| 09:00.13 | ameyer | wow, these fair use circumvention kits are screwing me |
| 09:00.17 | sigp239 | nvz: so far so good over here...using 64-bit even. |
| 09:00.22 | nvz | sigp239: tried to play some of my favorite old games with my brothers since I finally had a windows machine only to discover vista can't do it because it doesnt support IPX at all which most all games from the past two decades use |
| 09:00.27 | sigp239 | all of my hardware/software has worked fine. |
| 09:00.33 | sigp239 | IPX lol |
| 09:00.36 | sigp239 | ok |
| 09:00.37 | nvz | there is seemingly no way at all to do IPX on vista |
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| 09:00.54 | ameyer | ok, enough from me, before I anger someone with ops |
| 09:01.14 | sigp239 | too bad 'nv' doesn't support 8 series though |
| 09:01.17 | mandrigal | does the latest etch r1 dvdiso come with kde? |
| 09:01.31 | stew | mandrigal: yes |
| 09:01.39 | stew | vista is definately off-topic |
| 09:01.48 | nvz | sigp239: too bad nvidia doesn't release their source code so we can just integrate everything into xorg and the kernel |
| 09:01.53 | sigp239 | off-topic or banned lol |
| 09:01.54 | nvz | is more like it |
| 09:02.06 | nvz | stew: are you sure? |
| 09:02.12 | stew | nvz: quite |
| 09:02.18 | sigp239 | no free speech on free node lol |
| 09:02.21 | mandrigal | kewl tnx |
| 09:02.22 | nvz | stew: apparently someone hasn't experienced the wow. |
| 09:02.26 | nvz | heh |
| 09:02.38 | sigp239 | is ati releasing their source code? |
| 09:02.45 | nvz | not that I know of |
| 09:02.57 | sigp239 | or just releasing specs and "assisting" creation of open-source drivers that can actually work. |
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| 09:03.32 | ameyer | nvz: it's likely that nvidia won't ever release the source code to their rootkit^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdriver |
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| 09:03.44 | nvz | heh |
| 09:04.00 | stew | afaik, ati is doing nothing like that, but the people working on the avivo driver are making good progress without them |
| 09:04.06 | mandrigal | i try not to think about it to much |
| 09:04.14 | stew | nvidia at least releases an opensource driver |
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| 09:04.21 | ameyer | actually, I wonder if ati isn't releasing source due to "oh ****, they found our backdoor" reasons |
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| 09:04.36 | sigp239 | scary stuff. |
| 09:04.43 | stew | ameyer: there is a good chance they don't own the source |
| 09:04.53 | ameyer | actually, avivo is dead, as I understand it |
| 09:05.07 | sigp239 | stew: what's the open source nvidia driver? |
| 09:05.10 | catbot_ | everybody, how to turn off auto-save in emacs ? |
| 09:05.14 | mandrigal | they are just scared that the chinese are going to clone their hardware!:P j/k |
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| 09:05.30 | ameyer | since there are specs avaliable without a NDA, reverse engineering is unnecessary |
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| 09:05.40 | nvz | ameyer: open source code is like hall of fame quarterbacks.. they never die, just fade back and pass away |
| 09:05.51 | ameyer | although it may be needed for full 3d support at some point |
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| 09:06.23 | catbot_ | nobody have ideas? |
| 09:06.38 | nvz | catbot_: who are you looking for, everybody or nobody? |
| 09:06.49 | themill | I have lots of ideas, but none of them are fit for public airing.... |
| 09:06.50 | nvz | !seen nobody |
| 09:06.50 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'nobody', nvz |
| 09:06.58 | nvz | !seen everybody |
| 09:06.58 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'everybody', nvz |
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| 09:07.01 | ameyer | since there are rumors that ATI's not going to release all the 3d specs... |
| 09:07.01 | ppalmes | wols: it seems that axel or lftp can open multiple connections based on the desription. will check now. |
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| 09:07.10 | nvz | I swear there was someone called nobody around here |
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| 09:07.32 | stew | ameyer: avivo is dead? do you have a reference? |
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| 09:07.48 | themill | !seen anyone |
| 09:07.49 | dpkg | anyone <~ram@p54A666F5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 65d 15h 29s ago, saying: 'no'. |
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| 09:07.54 | themill | nvz ^^ |
| 09:08.01 | nvz | themill: yeah I know about anyone |
| 09:08.10 | nvz | themill: but I thought there was a nobody too |
| 09:08.16 | ameyer | allegedly they have to clear the release of 3rd party IP to release all specs... |
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| 09:08.38 | ameyer | !seen Error |
| 09:08.38 | dpkg | error <n=WaRToP@adsl-69-104-7-99.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 739d 2h 49m 34s ago, saying: 'sk'. |
| 09:09.03 | Decepticon | are there any hardened debian isos that are hyper security paranoid that i could download |
| 09:09.06 | ameyer | weird |
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| 09:09.18 | sts | has anybody already recognised svn.debian.org not being working? |
| 09:09.21 | nvz | ameyer: apparently you actually have to say something |
| 09:09.30 | ameyer | hmm... |
| 09:09.33 | ameyer | !seen god |
| 09:09.34 | nvz | ameyer: I guess dpkg ignores joins/parts |
| 09:09.34 | dpkg | god <i=SLLs_esL@201008066220.user.veloxzone.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 631d 16h 20m 56s ago, saying: 'is it true that debian can be used for web servers??'. |
| 09:09.55 | ameyer | I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere |
| 09:10.16 | nvz | Decepticon: why would debian isos need tobe hardened? do you really want to have a hard time burning them onto cd? |
| 09:11.04 | themill | nvz: you can't change your name to nobody.... that might explain it |
| 09:11.14 | jackle | I'm getting a dpkg-buildpackage error, can anyone help? |
| 09:11.17 | nvz | themill: hmm you "can't |
| 09:11.19 | nvz | "? |
| 09:11.40 | themill | [10:10] [Nick] Erroneous Nickname |
| 09:11.44 | nvz | jackle: help what? help you explain the problem? |
| 09:11.46 | ppalmes | jackle: describe more and we listen |
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| 09:12.10 | themill | nvz: probably in the same way you can't talk here if your ident is root. |
| 09:12.28 | stew | sts: ask #alioth on irc.debian.org |
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| 09:12.53 | jackle | ppalmes : I have ntop-3.3.1 as root with a directory debian in it and a ntop-3.3.1.tar.gz. It gives error: make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 09:13.00 | themill | jackle: can you pastebin the entire output for us? |
| 09:13.08 | stew | jackle: install devscripts |
| 09:13.08 | nvz | themill: some routers offer ident services and use the name "root" even though you're not actually ircing as root |
| 09:13.25 | stew | jackle: err, debhelper, not devscripts |
| 09:13.34 | stew | jackle: but that should be in the bulid-depends |
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| 09:14.44 | stew | or is debhelper bulid-essential? |
| 09:15.00 | themill | stew: it's usually listed as a build-dep so I presume not |
| 09:15.06 | lindenle | in bash when I redirect a command to a file I seem to be getting the command in the file as well how do i prevent this? |
| 09:15.16 | stew | themill: right |
| 09:15.40 | jackle | stew : both debhelper and build-essential are not installed |
| 09:15.54 | themill | lindenle: can you please pastebin what you're doing? |
| 09:16.01 | stew | jackle: install build-essential and "apt-get build-dep ntop" |
| 09:16.33 | mattschofield | Hey, anybody got a minute to help me w/ some fglrx driver questions? |
| 09:16.40 | lindenle | http://pastebin.ca/718311 |
| 09:16.46 | jackle | stew : ha.. it is compiling |
| 09:16.59 | jackle | lets hope it continues |
| 09:18.49 | themill | lindenle: and you're getting commands in ondisk.list ? |
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| 09:19.18 | lindenle | themill: yes but i just realized it is not a debian system, so i think I need to ask the question on #bash |
| 09:19.23 | lindenle | \j #bash |
| 09:19.38 | databuddy | hey anyone know a cheap way to get an ultrasparc t1 ? |
| 09:20.11 | themill | lindenle: ok... I can't see anything in your pipeline that would cause that, unless you're running bash with set -x |
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| 09:22.10 | themill | stew: debhelper is listed as a build-dep for ntop :) |
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| 09:30.00 | Coke | Hi! I'm trying to configure CUPS for use with IPP. My printer is ready, it's IPP is configured and ready. According to the manual the url should be ipp://ip/printers/lp1 but CUPS just doesn't print. lpq reports that the printer is ready, but the job is just queued, doesn't even seem to communicate with the printer. How can I find out why CUPS is unable to send the job to the actual printer? |
| 09:31.04 | themill | Coke: look for errors in /var/log/cups/error_log |
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| 09:31.39 | Coke | themill: it shows nothing regarding that. no new log entries after trying to print. |
| 09:32.28 | Coke | Hm, a port scan of the printer reveals that the IPP port is NOT open at all, even though the settings says it should be. |
| 09:32.37 | Coke | I really, really hate printers. |
| 09:32.44 | themill | Coke: you can also try increasing the logging level to debug in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to get more info. |
| 09:32.56 | themill | Coke: if the ipp port isn't open, cups should at least log an error... |
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| 09:34.10 | themill | Coke: after you've tried swearing at your printer some more, you might need to restart the print queue in cups. The setting is often to stop the queue rather than continually retry. |
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| 09:36.28 | Coke | themill: it was as simple as the printer software had a bug, I needed to do a hard reset. |
| 09:36.39 | themill | Coke: all good ;) |
| 09:36.57 | assassin5 | how can I do the equivilent of nmap or a scan on a mac address. |
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| 09:37.35 | dimsuz | themill: remember we talked about e1000 and debian netinst yesterday? :) |
| 09:37.46 | themill | dimsuz: yeah -- how did you go in the end? |
| 09:38.08 | nvz | assassin5: heh |
| 09:38.42 | dimsuz | themill: well, i installed it w/o network, then rebooted to ubunty, chrooted into installed system, updated it to testing... |
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| 09:39.19 | dimsuz | themill: and now it doesn't boot. Stops at "Begin: waiting for the root filesystem" message |
| 09:39.27 | dimsuz | themill: I googled for it. |
| 09:39.34 | assassin5 | I mean, I wanted to scan a mac address to find out it's host name and/or ip |
| 09:39.49 | dimsuz | themill: but the problem seems to be solved in etch. But i still got it :D |
| 09:39.50 | themill | assassin5: arp |
| 09:40.04 | themill | dimsuz: geez... is your e1000 a really weird variety of e1000? You shouldn't need to do any of that! |
| 09:40.12 | nvz | assassin5: if you can even talk to a box at an arp level that its mac address means anything you are in a position to sniff traffic |
| 09:40.43 | assassin5 | ok? |
| 09:41.06 | dimsuz | themill: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection. don't know if it's weird or not ;) |
| 09:41.22 | robboplus | dimsuz i know the prob with waiting for root... |
| 09:41.23 | xtor_ | Is there something wrong with this picture? --- > http://i21.tinypic.com/2cftf0i.png |
| 09:41.28 | robboplus | solved that a few days ago |
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| 09:41.38 | dimsuz | robboplus: wow-wow! i'm all ears :D |
| 09:41.48 | robboplus | dimsuz you upgraded the kernel lately, didn't you? |
| 09:41.53 | nvz | wireshark, netwox/netwag |
| 09:41.58 | dimsuz | robboplus: yup. yesterday |
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| 09:42.07 | robboplus | dimsuz let me guess... 2.6.20+ ? |
| 09:42.18 | dimsuz | robboplus: yep. 2.6.21 iirc |
| 09:42.22 | robboplus | dimsuz are you using grub? |
| 09:42.27 | dimsuz | yes |
| 09:42.38 | themill | xtor_: nothing ;) |
| 09:42.40 | robboplus | dimsuz where your root device /dev/hda1? |
| 09:42.43 | robboplus | were* |
| 09:42.44 | dimsuz | robboplus: s/hda/sda/ ? |
| 09:42.52 | robboplus | dimsuz yes.. |
| 09:43.01 | dimsuz | robboplus: iirc it's still hda |
| 09:43.18 | robboplus | dimsuz doesn't matter... edit the grub line on boot time and change that to /dev/sda1 |
| 09:43.29 | dimsuz | robboplus: cool! been thinking to try it today! :D Thanks man! Should I change that in /etc/fstab too? |
| 09:43.30 | assassin5 | so how does arp help me lookup a mac address if I've not comunicated with it? |
| 09:43.31 | robboplus | you know how to edit, right? |
| 09:43.38 | dimsuz | yeah :) |
| 09:43.42 | assassin5 | scan a mac address I mean. |
| 09:43.50 | robboplus | dimsuz what you really need to change is /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:44.07 | dimsuz | robboplus: yes, i know. thanks again! :) |
| 09:44.07 | robboplus | but try with edit on boot first |
| 09:44.23 | robboplus | dimsuz let me know if that helped |
| 09:44.27 | dorshin | how can i install tor? i couldnt find a suitable repository,it depends on tsocks and i get an error in debian.org package page |
| 09:44.31 | dimsuz | robboplus: sure |
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| 09:44.48 | Coke | themill: do you know if there's a way for CUPS to scan a printer using IPP somehow? I have two trays and no idea how to use either of them. ipp://ip/printers/lp1 does the same thing as lp2. How can I find out which URL's are valid and what they do? Printer manual? |
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| 09:45.32 | Coke | themill: nevermind... :) |
| 09:45.38 | themill | Coke: no idea... printer manual or google would be the places to start. Do you mean two paper trays for feeding paper? that should be defined in the ppd |
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| 09:47.31 | Coke | themill: the CUPS admin pages do have printer options where I can choose from tray 1 to 8, but my printer does not have 8 trays so the UI is highly unintuitive. |
| 09:47.37 | Coke | Did I mention I hate printers? :) |
| 09:47.49 | dorshin | WHY? "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| 09:48.22 | robboplus | dorshin did you configure? |
| 09:48.29 | dorshin | yes |
| 09:48.35 | robboplus | any errors there? |
| 09:48.36 | dorshin | do you want the output? |
| 09:48.48 | robboplus | yes please |
| 09:49.05 | dorshin | creating cache ./config.cache |
| 09:49.06 | dorshin | checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu |
| 09:49.06 | dorshin | checking for gcc... no |
| 09:49.08 | dorshin | checking for cc... no |
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| 09:49.16 | robboplus | doh. use pastebin.ca |
| 09:49.17 | themill | ffs |
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| 09:50.06 | themill | Coke: yes, you mentioned that you love printers as much as everyone else ;) If you edit the ppd file for that printer, you might be able to tell it to have fewer trays ;) All of the client apps will use the info in the ppd too. |
| 09:50.58 | dorshin | robboplus: could you see the ./configure output? |
| 09:51.46 | ameyer | hmm, is the compiler installed? |
| 09:51.56 | Ronin | no gcc and no cc |
| 09:51.58 | ameyer | aptitude install build-essentials |
| 09:52.04 | assassin5 | I know that mac address of a machine on the network that is causing a conflict. I want to scan the mac address and find it's hostname. How can I do this? |
| 09:52.08 | themill | !b-e dorshin |
| 09:52.09 | Ronin | not my system i meant dorshins system |
| 09:52.09 | dpkg | dorshin: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:52.12 | ameyer | or something like that |
| 09:52.25 | robboplus | !flood dorshin |
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| 09:52.45 | robboplus | guess he is all set now he he |
| 09:53.15 | Coke | themill: the manufacturer actualy has a PPD for download. |
| 09:53.26 | themill | Coke: even easier then |
| 09:53.29 | Coke | themill: thanks for the advice, I'll install the PPD and see what settings appears |
| 09:54.47 | dorshin | i did aptitude install build-essentials it wanted me to remove a lot of package and i said YES without reading!! |
| 09:55.16 | ameyer | it shouldn't ask you to remove packages |
| 09:55.16 | themill | !cluebat dorshin |
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| 09:56.16 | robboplus | lol themill |
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| 09:56.38 | dorshin | confused |
| 09:57.00 | themill | !confuse dorshin |
| 09:57.00 | dpkg | No, where is my pineapple yesterday, dorshin? lederhosen of the democracy of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 09:57.03 | bloodandsoil | What web programming language should I learn? I am a beginner. |
| 09:57.07 | robboplus | lmao |
| 09:57.17 | dorshin | and i still get the same after ./configure |
| 09:57.18 | themill | dorshin: could you please pastebin the output of that last aptitude command for us |
| 09:57.24 | robboplus | dorshin ok, can you please type gcc and tell us what it says? |
| 09:57.39 | xand | bloodandsoil: that's offtopic here, but try php |
| 09:57.57 | dorshin | gcc command not found |
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| 09:58.22 | robboplus | ok so run aptitude install build-essentials again |
| 09:58.23 | dimsuz | robboplus: it works now. thanks again |
| 09:58.30 | dorshin | can someone kick me out of this chat room i dont deserve to be here. |
| 09:58.36 | robboplus | dimsuz great! |
| 09:58.41 | hark | robboplus: build-essential |
| 09:58.56 | robboplus | hark err yes. |
| 09:59.12 | dimsuz | robboplus: but still... i have no ethernet connection. and ubuntu somehow manages to work with the same driver |
| 09:59.26 | dorshin | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essentials" |
| 09:59.39 | dimsuz | dorshin: essential |
| 09:59.47 | dimsuz | dorshin: w/o 's' |
| 10:00.01 | robboplus | sorry dorshin... it's essential and now essentials |
| 10:00.09 | robboplus | not* |
| 10:00.24 | dorshin | ok i will try again |
| 10:00.28 | robboplus | dimsuz that's like whole different story now :) |
| 10:00.41 | dimsuz | well, yes :) just ranting :) |
| 10:00.46 | Coke | themill: unfortunately, selecting other media sources does absolutely NOTHING. :) |
| 10:00.57 | dorshin | it wants me to instert the cd but i dont have it with me. |
| 10:01.03 | dimsuz | robboplus: google can't find anything about that. or that's my /dev/hands ;) |
| 10:01.05 | Ronin | !tell dorshin about sources |
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| 10:01.39 | themill | ameyer: if it's the first time using aptitude then it might be trying to removed packages it thinks are not needed any more |
| 10:02.08 | themill | dorshin: comment out the entry for the CD in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:02.22 | themill | Coke: hmmm... sounds like the ppd isn't as clever as it thinks it is |
| 10:02.45 | robboplus | dimsuz well let's start with basics.. is your ethernet interface up? |
| 10:03.23 | themill | dimsuz: did robboplus's instructions for booting with the new kernel work ok then? |
| 10:03.34 | dimsuz | themill: yes |
| 10:04.12 | robboplus | themill it works but i still don't understand why is that |
| 10:04.12 | dimsuz | robboplus: no. when I do 'modprobe e1000' nothing is printed. when i do the same in ubuntu - it finds eth0 |
| 10:04.16 | themill | dimsuz: excellent... I'll teach them to dpkg for a rainy day |
| 10:04.19 | robboplus | themill and i would really love to know |
| 10:04.44 | themill | robboplus: isn't it just the transition to libata for all ide devices? |
| 10:04.49 | dimsuz | themill: cool! :) but i still can't get e1000 to work. see my last message to robboplus |
| 10:04.57 | robboplus | themill what part of the kernel tricks the system into thinking that it is an /dev/sda device and not /dev/hda? |
| 10:04.58 | hark | dimsuz: does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 10:05.08 | themill | dimsuz: yeah.. one step at a time ;) |
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| 10:05.12 | robboplus | themill oh hm... the transition of libata. |
| 10:05.13 | dimsuz | hark: nope. only 'lo' |
| 10:05.54 | dimsuz | robboplus: actually it is more 'right' for it to be an 'sda' - it's SATA |
| 10:06.03 | robboplus | dimsuz so basically it's about your nic adapter support.. hm.. |
| 10:06.16 | themill | robboplus: yeah, all ide devices are now run through the PATA part of libata so they have essentially the same interface in the kernel as the SATA devices. |
| 10:06.30 | dorshin | Thank you all,i am giving up. i have more to learn... |
| 10:06.51 | dimsuz | robboplus: yes. but what wonders me is that ubuntu has kernel 2.6.20 and it works. testing has 2.6.21 and it's not |
| 10:06.54 | themill | dimsuz: what? this was a sata device that was being called hd... most odd... |
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| 10:07.20 | dimsuz | ah! i remembered. i hand-compiled e1000 driver for ubuntu |
| 10:07.31 | robboplus | themill... i once had DEEP probs with ata/sata mess under 2.6.18... and i still do on some box... perhaps it's time to change the kernel there and jump into this transition train :) |
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| 10:07.34 | themill | dimsuz: was there a reason you did that? |
| 10:07.35 | dimsuz | themill: yes. it came from debian installer ;) |
| 10:08.15 | robboplus | themill i have a feeling like my sata drives are 10 years old there (speeds of blazing 3-4MB/s) |
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| 10:08.16 | themill | robboplus: yeah... there's a bit of ugliness going on around sata stuff atm. |
| 10:08.18 | dimsuz | themill: the reason was the same - it didn't worked. but i don't recall if this driver was supplied with ubuntu or not. it surely is in case of debian |
| 10:08.34 | robboplus | themill hm so it is still going... bad bad |
| 10:08.59 | Hoxzer | how do I figure out the path of the binary that is execute with "command" ? |
| 10:09.00 | themill | dimsuz: ahh... this is an interesting development. What did you do under the u* thing |
| 10:09.08 | dimsuz | sorry guys, have to go for some time... :) |
| 10:09.09 | Hoxzer | command = binary name |
| 10:09.10 | tarzeau | jelly: and then it works? |
| 10:09.10 | xand | Hoxzer: type or which |
| 10:09.14 | themill | Hoxzer: which |
| 10:09.15 | dimsuz | themill: be back in 10 minutes :) |
| 10:09.21 | Hoxzer | thix |
| 10:09.26 | dcorbin | I assume I in looking in the wrong way, but I can't find mod_auth_ldap for apache2. Any pointers? |
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| 10:09.31 | themill | Hoxzer: which command or type command or for more info type -a command |
| 10:09.40 | robboplus | themill is it normal to have sata and libata modules loaded at the same time? |
| 10:10.00 | robboplus | themill and both are used.. while the box is sata only |
| 10:10.08 | themill | robboplus: ummm.... nfi :) |
| 10:10.32 | hark | dimsuz: modprobe -r e1000 && modprobe e1000 . then check with "sbin/ifconfig -a". if not there dmesg | tail |
| 10:10.37 | tarzeau | jelly: oh almost, the tracing looks horrible, got to check the options, thank you |
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| 10:10.48 | robboplus | themill pardon my dust, what's nfi? :) |
| 10:10.53 | themill | hark: he's gone for a bit. |
| 10:10.55 | themill | !nfi |
| 10:10.55 | dpkg | from memory, nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 10:11.01 | robboplus | oh lol. |
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| 10:11.32 | robboplus | well it's bad imho.. i'm just scared to try and remove one of them and make the box unbootable |
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| 10:11.58 | Hoxzer | ... eh which reports that binary location is in /usr/sbin/lircd .... but when I try to execute it it says /usr/local/sbin/lircd doesn't exist... which is kinda confusing because /usr/sbin/lircd isn't a symlink ... |
| 10:12.26 | Hoxzer | also checked htat it isn't some wierd script |
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| 10:12.49 | Hoxzer | /usr/sbin/lircd works fine |
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| 10:14.18 | themill | Hoxzer: can you try logging into a fresh terminal and trying that again? |
| 10:15.12 | themill | robboplus: is this a good description of your hd/sd fix: /msg dpkg waiting for the root filesystem |
| 10:15.14 | Hoxzer | 2kuul |
| 10:15.15 | Hoxzer | cool |
| 10:15.19 | Hoxzer | it works themill thx |
| 10:15.53 | themill | Hoxzer: excellent. your shell was just caching the location of the command to speed things up for you. |
| 10:16.45 | jelly-home | tarzeau: yeah, I got to that point, saw that I'd need to manually edit the curves for each glyph and sort of lost the will. ;-) |
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| 10:17.31 | tarzeau | jelly-home: the thing is if i import the font, i don't see it |
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| 10:17.43 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and autotracing it, shows very strange result, not like the letters of the bitmap font |
| 10:17.48 | robboplus | themill checking |
| 10:18.05 | bullgard4 | "Most historic Unix workstations had a Meta key." What was the function of this key? |
| 10:18.22 | solemnwarning | Ok |
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| 10:18.39 | solemnwarning | I've got an old embedded 486 router with onboard ethernet which isn't detected by Debian |
| 10:18.39 | wols | bullgard4: running EMACS |
| 10:18.42 | themill | bullgard4: It's great that you're fascinated by the history of the un*x keyboard, but I'm not sure that #debian is the place to ask these questions. |
| 10:18.43 | tarzeau | jelly-home: aha -corner-surround 1 helps very well |
| 10:18.45 | dimsuz | hark: done all that w/o "-r" option. does this matters? |
| 10:18.51 | phix | wow, I am looking over the code for ttylog and it sucks! memory leaks, closing a FILE then trying to set something on its filedesriptor, using strcpy instead of strncpy. |
| 10:18.54 | wols | solemnwarning: what driver did sarge use? |
| 10:18.54 | solemnwarning | When I boot the original drive it's detected as NE2000 |
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| 10:19.05 | solemnwarning | wols: It didn't find the card, no driver I guess |
| 10:19.11 | phix | how can I submit a patch for this? |
| 10:19.17 | phix | or notify the maintainer? |
| 10:19.26 | wols | ne2000 is a ISA card. you have to configure that manually inclding ports and irqs |
| 10:19.34 | solemnwarning | eek |
| 10:19.35 | bullgard4 | wols: Pressing this key would start Emacs? |
| 10:19.36 | robboplus | themill it's nearly perfect : just two glitches: the exact error msg is "Begin: Waiting for the root file system" and also i didn't ever touch fstab... only menu.lst - just letting you know in case it was important in some way |
| 10:19.38 | solemnwarning | How do I do that? |
| 10:19.41 | solemnwarning | ISA was before my time :\ |
| 10:20.16 | themill | robboplus: do you have /dev/hd? in your fstab or is it LABEL or UUID stuff? |
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| 10:20.43 | robboplus | themill let me check right away |
| 10:20.46 | wols | solemnwarning: module parameters usually |
| 10:21.06 | robboplus | themill i still have /dev/hda1 in there |
| 10:22.14 | robboplus | themill which is really strange but it works like that.. also df shows /dev/hda1 and not /dev/sda1. but when you try to use /dev/hda1 in grub it WILL fail and /dev/sda1 sorts it out. |
| 10:22.17 | themill | robboplus: wow... that's getting more and more weird as we go. That implies a kernel upgrade broke grub but not mount... I can see it happening the other way around. |
| 10:22.31 | robboplus | lol sounds great :) |
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| 10:23.07 | solemnwarning | I found an /etc/conf.modules file |
| 10:23.07 | themill | robboplus: and the Begin stuff will have to stay out as the irc line limit gets in the way! |
| 10:23.24 | robboplus | he he. |
| 10:23.25 | solemnwarning | options ne io=0x300 irc=10 |
| 10:23.29 | solemnwarning | *options ne io=0x300 irq=10 |
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| 10:23.34 | solemnwarning | Is that all I need to load a card? |
| 10:23.47 | solemnwarning | Or is there somthing besides that for ISA? |
| 10:24.53 | solemnwarning | wols: ? |
| 10:25.44 | themill | robboplus: ok, updated. |
| 10:26.11 | themill | robboplus: thanks for your feedback (you've done it, I've just watched you and written about it ;) |
| 10:26.36 | solemnwarning | Oh crap |
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| 10:26.50 | solemnwarning | Sarge doesn't seem to have ne.ko in 2.4.x kernels, only 2.6.x |
| 10:26.58 | robboplus | themill i'm really glad.. finally i helped with something :) |
| 10:27.04 | themill | ;) |
| 10:27.10 | solemnwarning | Am I doing somthing wrong with the package search? |
| 10:27.18 | dimsuz | robboplus: and you helped me too :) |
| 10:27.25 | solemnwarning | This machine has ne.ko under 2.0.x so why wouldn't 2.4.x in sarge have it? |
| 10:27.50 | robboplus | !hdasda |
| 10:28.06 | robboplus | i would love my very own trigger like that lol |
| 10:28.21 | robboplus | unless there are better suggestions :) |
| 10:28.52 | themill | robboplus: it's !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 10:29.20 | robboplus | it's very self explanatory but awfuly hard to remember/type :) |
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| 10:30.30 | themill | robboplus: yeah, but there are multiple things that are going to map to hdasda -- there are so many reasons that can come up with. The good thing is that the person will tell you the error message. You can also /msg dpkg listkeys searchterm or /msg dpkg listvals searchterm |
| 10:30.57 | robboplus | themill yes, you are definetly right about that - it was just my stupid, personal point of view :) |
| 10:31.07 | robboplus | and very limited, too. |
| 10:31.26 | themill | robboplus: no.. it's a real consideration and a good one. if no-one can remember the key, it will never get used |
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| 10:31.43 | dimsuz | themill: i'm currently using that "u* thing" instead of lenny only because I can't get my NIC to work in debian... :( |
| 10:31.45 | robboplus | thank you for the dpkg hints as well - those i had no idea about |
| 10:31.46 | dpkg | my pleasure, robboplus |
| 10:31.52 | robboplus | lol. |
| 10:31.58 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 10:32.12 | sharika | hi all i am using iceweasal and i found firefox-bin blocking my soundcard..also iceweasal is unstable...how can i cure the problem? |
| 10:32.40 | buu | Try a hammer. |
| 10:32.57 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 10:32.59 | wols | remove your flash plugin |
| 10:33.05 | solemnwarning | packages.debian.org is messed up |
| 10:33.06 | themill | sharika: it's probably flash or perhaps java... |
| 10:33.10 | solemnwarning | http://packages.debian.org/sarge/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:33.15 | robboplus | buu: it worked for you it seems.. |
| 10:33.17 | solemnwarning | Click on the list of files link |
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| 10:33.54 | sharika | i havent installed flash |
| 10:34.06 | sharika | how can i disable that? |
| 10:36.25 | tarzeau | jelly: corner-surround 0 is even better |
| 10:36.45 | tarzeau | jelly: now instead of having top left corners be |- i get them like |\ .. any idea ? |
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| 10:38.35 | sharika | i have disabled java and java script in iceweasal..will that do to prevent any problem from java? |
| 10:38.53 | sharika | i mean i have untick the java and javascript in iceweasal |
| 10:38.54 | wols | javascript is something totally else |
| 10:39.10 | sharika | iceweasal preference |
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| 10:42.58 | hark | dimsuz: sorry was away, the -r just removes the module. But it probably is something else? what does lspci say about the card? |
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| 10:43.42 | DustyBin | why do i keep on seeing the word 'ubuntu' in this channel :-/ |
| 10:44.09 | slapfaceware | fuckbuntu |
| 10:44.16 | petemc | very nice |
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| 10:44.46 | hark | /part #debian . problem solved |
| 10:45.11 | DustyBin | they been around since and they think they own the place hehe </end.flameware> |
| 10:45.16 | DustyBin | *2004 |
| 10:45.59 | robboplus | how do you remove ipv6 support completely? |
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| 10:46.30 | solemnwarning | Yaay |
| 10:46.30 | robboplus | is it just about rmmod ipv6? |
| 10:46.37 | solemnwarning | The ethernet card is working |
| 10:46.47 | solemnwarning | I feel sorry for you people that lived in the ISA era |
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| 10:47.04 | Agiofws | hi |
| 10:47.29 | Agiofws | i am trying to print remotely to my cups server that is connected to a usb printer DO i HAVETO HAVE cups running on both HOSTS ? |
| 10:48.01 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 10:48.01 | dimsuz | hark: well, i've just been busy too :). wait a moment, i'll copy you the output of lspci |
| 10:48.15 | Nyle | waking up is hard to do |
| 10:48.23 | Nyle | i don't care who you are or where you are from |
| 10:48.24 | Nyle | its hard |
| 10:48.26 | dimsuz | hark: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 10:48.54 | hark | dimsuz: hmm, and lspci -n | grep 0200 |
| 10:49.27 | dimsuz | hark: 00:19.0 0200: 8086:10bd (rev 02) |
| 10:49.38 | dimsuz | hark: doing this from ubuntu |
| 10:49.56 | hark | yeah, doesn't matter :) |
| 10:50.03 | xand | Agiofws: no |
| 10:50.19 | mne | hi guys. I have (passive) gigabit NICs and NFS running. The problem is that this takes a lot of cpu, possibly due to all the protocol encapsulation. What are alternatives ? I was thinking of something like AoE where the ata-disk access directly goes over ethernet frames. The problem with that is that I would need a cluster filesystem. what can you guys suggest ? |
| 10:50.25 | xand | Agiofws: but you need some printing system, and cups is probably easiest |
| 10:50.27 | dimsuz | hark: i know, just informing :) |
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| 10:51.21 | hark | dimsuz: modinfo e1000 |grep version |
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| 10:51.49 | dimsuz | hark: that's why i told you i'm on ubuntu :) do you need debian version output? i can chroot |
| 10:51.50 | solemnwarning | I've created an /etc/modprobe.d/local file but modprobe is ignoring it, why? |
| 10:52.18 | hark | solemnwarning: do you have an /etc/modprobe.conf ? |
| 10:52.22 | solemnwarning | no |
| 10:52.23 | dragonheart | mne: cluster being that there are multiple disks on different servers or multiple clients accessing those disks? |
| 10:52.46 | mne | dragonheart, multiple clients acessing the disk. |
| 10:52.57 | hark | dimsuz: i just want to know the version which is working for you |
| 10:53.09 | dimsuz | hark: version: 7.6.5-NAPI (from chrooted debian) |
| 10:53.26 | mne | dragonheart, it should be something like a SAN solution. but i want to avoid all the protocol encapsulation. it's ok for me if it's ethernet only |
| 10:53.32 | dimsuz | hark: the SAME in ubuntu! wow |
| 10:53.33 | dimsuz | :) |
| 10:53.39 | dimsuz | mistery... |
| 10:54.05 | dimsuz | hark: ah. sorry. i didn't chroot first time. haha :) |
| 10:54.15 | dimsuz | so 7.6.5 napi is currently working for me |
| 10:54.43 | dragonheart | mne: SANs (iscsi/fibre channel) are like AoE presenting a block device to a single client afaik. There are LUN separation if clients each just need a subblock - is this your case? |
| 10:55.39 | mne | dragonheart, no. i wann all clients to be able to access the same disk at once. liek it is with NFS or SMB. i just want to avoid all the protocol encapsulation. something like NFS over ethernet would be nice. |
| 10:55.57 | aspWork | afternoon guys, since i upgraded to lenny whenever i boot i need to demute the volume and turn it up, is there any way to force the saving of my volume settings? |
| 10:56.12 | dimsuz | hark: in lenny it is 7.3.20-k2-NAPI |
| 10:56.19 | Agiofws | cups on both systems ? |
| 10:56.20 | hark | dimsuz: The one in debian sid is 7.3.20-k2-NAPI, you might need to update it. let me just confirm this. moment |
| 10:56.22 | Agiofws | xand, ? |
| 10:56.29 | dimsuz | hark: hmm. rather old |
| 10:56.34 | dimsuz | hark: ok |
| 10:56.55 | dragonheart | mne: i'm afaid the protocol encapsulation adds usefull stuff like file references, locking and all the stuff you need in a rw multi client + server environment |
| 10:57.30 | dragonheart | maybe you can do NFS over E - don't imagine it would be easy though |
| 10:58.18 | mne | dragonheart, that's true for NFS. But the whole IP stack in between is not needed if all nodes are on the same ethernet. |
| 10:58.46 | dragonheart | mne: are you cpu or bw limited? |
| 10:59.00 | mne | dragonheart, so you don't know a solution either ? ;( And what if i use AoE with a cluster filesystem ? would it work |
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| 10:59.50 | dragonheart | i doubt it would work - filesystems tend to assume they have exclusinve control over a block device. |
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| 11:00.24 | mne | dragonheart, cpu limited :P I have a gigabit link, but over nfs I get only at most 17MB/s speed which causes 100% cpu load on an athlon xp 3000. (I tested ramdisk to ramisk, so that the harddisk speed is irrelevant) |
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| 11:00.49 | sharika | as soon as i start firefox(iceweasel) its using /dev/dsp how can i prevent it not using sound? |
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| 11:00.59 | mne | dragonheart, that's why i would need a cluster filesystem where this assumption is not made. i read this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_over_Ethernet |
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| 11:02.38 | dragonheart | mne: mayas well try it and do some benchtesting afterwards |
| 11:03.31 | mne | dragonheart, hmm. i wanted to avoid that in case it's just a lot of work and doesn't work at all in the end :P |
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| 11:08.21 | jm|laptop | hello :) |
| 11:08.26 | Nyle | hi |
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| 11:08.47 | jm|laptop | I'm using etch on a workstation try to connect to a mail server which uses sid |
| 11:09.19 | jm|laptop | I am getting errors thus: "mail imapd-ssl: couriertls: connect: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number" when I try imap-ssl or pop3-ssl things |
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| 11:11.10 | niru | hi |
| 11:11.19 | niru | I have a IBM 1706 laptop |
| 11:11.29 | niru | In that wi-fi is not working |
| 11:11.34 | niru | how to make it work |
| 11:11.43 | niru | any tutorial |
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| 11:12.50 | wols | niru: what wlan chip is it? |
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| 11:14.18 | sharika` | sorry there was a problem with ma network..was ma question answered?->how can i prevent iceweasel from accessing /dev/dsp? |
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| 11:14.47 | sharika` | its blocking the sound card that way |
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| 11:14.51 | wols | sharika`: about:plugins. what plugins are loaded? |
| 11:15.10 | cast | flash problem? |
| 11:15.30 | wols | cast: he said before he has no flash plugin. I'm not sure if I believe him |
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| 11:16.32 | Nyle | well he could be on amd64 wols with no tail |
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| 11:16.41 | Nyle | or some other 64 |
| 11:16.45 | Nyle | or arch. |
| 11:16.47 | hellnet | hi |
| 11:17.29 | niru | wols, its PRO/wireless 3945ABG network connection |
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| 11:17.52 | sharika` | wols: plugins->add_ons?then there there is only one padma script converter |
| 11:17.56 | cast | niru: what is no tail? |
| 11:18.15 | wols | !tell niru about ipw3945 |
| 11:18.30 | Nyle | cast: wols is usually wols_ |
| 11:18.45 | Nyle | right now he has no tail, and I mess with him about it every now and again |
| 11:18.47 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 11:19.03 | wols | wait til tomorrow, then I will have a tail again |
| 11:19.09 | Nyle | hehe |
| 11:19.16 | Nyle | looking forward to it |
| 11:19.21 | wols | sharika`: no. I told you exactly what to input |
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| 11:20.27 | cast | oh. i see. |
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| 11:20.38 | cast | as long as you haven't been mouting him |
| 11:20.56 | Nyle | ugh dude |
| 11:20.58 | Nyle | c'mon now |
| 11:21.06 | Nyle | !spank cast |
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| 11:22.35 | Nyle | anyone hard about this beowulf cluster some preofessor put together for 40$/gflops and it does about 26 of em |
| 11:23.12 | cast | was that on /. recently? |
| 11:23.17 | Nyle | dunno |
| 11:23.22 | Nyle | i was on the university website |
| 11:23.23 | cast | to answer your question, i am not. |
| 11:23.34 | wols | Nyle: I did. it was nothing special |
| 11:23.43 | Nyle | wols: still, its pretty good |
| 11:23.57 | Nyle | 1200$ for a personal super computer |
| 11:24.01 | cast | was this the fellow with some cheap X2s? |
| 11:24.07 | wols | cast: yes |
| 11:24.10 | Nyle | I think so |
| 11:24.15 | cast | ahh. that was very ordinary |
| 11:24.28 | Nyle | but dude |
| 11:24.32 | Nyle | :( |
| 11:24.36 | wols | the interesting parts in clusters is the networking and he uses bog standard kind |
| 11:24.40 | wols | so nothing special |
| 11:25.02 | Nyle | wols: well, i think he was going for the cost thing, but he did use 2 gb eth per node |
| 11:25.10 | Nyle | 2 cards i mean |
| 11:25.25 | cast | how many nodes? |
| 11:25.27 | Nyle | 3 |
| 11:25.30 | Nyle | 4 |
| 11:25.41 | Nyle | each with a dual core, so 8 cores on 4 nodes |
| 11:25.44 | wols | athere are mobos with 2 built in NICs |
| 11:26.07 | cast | wols: most of the high end nforce boards have 2 gig eth nics |
| 11:26.16 | wols | yes I know |
| 11:26.28 | wols | downside is, those are expensive usually |
| 11:26.28 | Nyle | wols: the only one i know of is nvidia 680i sli mobo, but other than that, he used one onboard, and another with pcie |
| 11:26.36 | cast | ahhm the a screwed up my parsing :( |
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| 11:27.06 | Nyle | http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/ |
| 11:27.19 | Nyle | http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/design/ |
| 11:27.35 | Nyle | http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/budget/ |
| 11:27.40 | Nyle | and the rest |
| 11:28.06 | cast | someone mind telling me what master to world and master to switch means? |
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| 11:31.05 | cast | i wonder how a 4 core intel using intels compilers would fair, i think it would be at least half as fast |
| 11:31.39 | niru | wols, I have installed all those and now it shows |
| 11:31.57 | niru | ipw3945 driver does not exist |
| 11:32.30 | wols | dpkg -l |grep 3945 |
| 11:32.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep 3945 |
| 11:32.40 | wols | dpkg: shutup |
| 11:32.40 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
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| 11:34.00 | sep | cast, to switch mean the nic they used on the node to conenct to the internal switch. to world mean the nick tehy used on node0 to connect to the internet |
| 11:34.14 | solemnwarning | aaack! |
| 11:34.31 | solemnwarning | aptitude install dropbear wants to remove base-config and my kernel! |
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| 11:35.03 | Boooi | hi guys....apt-get install webmin would not work |
| 11:35.12 | sep | !webmin |
| 11:35.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 11:35.12 | cast | solemnwarning: now that you've booted you don't need the kernel installed : |
| 11:35.26 | Boooi | Package webmin-core is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:35.28 | Boooi | !webmin |
| 11:35.28 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 11:35.35 | wols | webmin is not in debian and is not supported here either. if you want your system to get 0wned, ask others for support of that goal |
| 11:35.38 | solemnwarning | Damnit! |
| 11:35.43 | solemnwarning | apt-get is the same too |
| 11:35.57 | solemnwarning | Why does dropbear conflict with initrd-tools, kernel and base-config? |
| 11:36.12 | Boooi | so what should i use instead of apt-get? |
| 11:36.28 | cast | solemnwarning: it doesn't. |
| 11:36.35 | sep | Boooi, you should consider learning system administration instead of relying on things like webmin |
| 11:36.37 | Boooi | and what is a good alternative for webmin? |
| 11:36.41 | solemnwarning | SO why won't it install without removing them? |
| 11:36.50 | sep | Boooi, any shell |
| 11:36.57 | Boooi | lol....aight |
| 11:36.58 | wols | Boooi: ssh and the editor of your choice, plus bash |
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| 11:38.04 | cast | solemnwarning: so if you start the aptitude gui, and tell it not to remove whatever its trying to remove when you install dropbear, it doesn't let you? |
| 11:38.21 | solemnwarning | aptitude gui? |
| 11:38.26 | cast | `aptitude` |
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| 11:39.54 | solemnwarning | cast: n causes abort |
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| 11:41.33 | sep | solemnwarning, are your sources.list sane ? |
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| 11:41.46 | dell_lin | how to mount a iso file which is on pen drive |
| 11:42.11 | Borbus | Hi.. is there by any chance a list of packages that you might need for compiling stuff? |
| 11:42.30 | cast | dell_lin: man mount /loop |
| 11:42.51 | cast | !tell Borbus about b-e |
| 11:43.07 | Borbus | Ahh.. |
| 11:43.13 | cast | Borbus: in generic terms, specific apps will require their own apps |
| 11:43.20 | cast | their own libs* sorry |
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| 11:43.41 | Borbus | I've already installed some things manually like gcc, g++, automake, make.. so if I just install build-essentials now it will still work right? |
| 11:43.46 | usamahashimi | hello everyone |
| 11:43.59 | Borbus | Yeah, normally they are listed as dependancies.. but gcc and g++ never are.. |
| 11:44.23 | usamahashimi | i am getting a problem in apt, http://pastebin.com/m76fb61e0 can any expert help me? |
| 11:44.48 | Borbus | Hmm.. I notice that it install dpkg |
| 11:45.05 | Borbus | If I have already compiled some stuff before dpkg was installed will that mess dpkg up? |
| 11:45.34 | cast | Borbus: didn't you already have dpkg installed... |
| 11:45.43 | wols | dpkg is ALWAYS installed. it'S an essential package |
| 11:45.46 | Borbus | Oh |
| 11:45.54 | Borbus | Oh.. it installed dpkg-dev |
| 11:45.57 | Borbus | Oops |
| 11:46.26 | wols | usamahashimi: corrupt dpkg status file |
| 11:47.03 | usamahashimi | wols: how can i correct it? can you kindly guide me? |
| 11:47.06 | sep | usamahashimi, restore a previous good dpkg status file from /var/backups |
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| 11:48.25 | usamahashimi | sep: yes, there are are many status files in /var/backup, do i have to copy them somewhere or any else? |
| 11:49.54 | sep | ofcourse |
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| 11:50.39 | usamahashimi | sep: can tell me that which of theses file I have to copy and where to copy? :) |
| 11:50.47 | sep | the path where you have to unpack and copy them to is in the error message you posted, and it might be a good idea to save your currently broken status file first |
| 11:50.58 | sep | read the post you posted |
| 11:51.01 | sep | it's there |
| 11:51.47 | usamahashimi | sep: ok, thanks. let me check it. |
| 11:51.48 | solemnwarning | sep: Thanks |
| 11:52.03 | solemnwarning | For some reason sarge installer set my sources.list to 'stable' |
| 11:52.06 | Borbus | Hmm.. how do install ncurses.. it says the package may be obsoleted..? |
| 11:52.09 | solemnwarning | I needed to change it to 'sarge' |
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| 11:52.34 | dell_lin | mounted now how do i acess it |
| 11:52.41 | solemnwarning | EEEK! |
| 11:52.57 | solemnwarning | Dropbear needs to generate the host keys >.< |
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| 11:54.23 | Borbus | Do I need the package ncurses-dev instead of ncurses..? |
| 11:54.27 | iwkse | hi all, i moved from my old hd to the new one copying the stuff preserving data but now there's few things which do not work. apt-get update gives Reading package lists... Error! |
| 11:54.27 | iwkse | ead: Read error - read (21 Is a directory) |
| 11:54.27 | iwkse | ead: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. and i can't type accent letters and ctrl+alt+Fn do not works (maybe related to the special chars). Any hints? |
| 11:55.19 | Borbus | Hm.. ok I guess that would be a yes |
| 11:56.28 | usamahashimi | sed: I think I have to copy the file from /var/backup to /var/lib/dpkg? but i am still confuse that which file I should copy? |
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| 11:58.34 | DustyBin | are there any linux exams one can take what are similar to MCSE MCP etc |
| 11:58.52 | solemnwarning | Gmm |
| 11:59.00 | solemnwarning | I think I need to make a custom kernel |
| 11:59.18 | cast | oh, reason? |
| 11:59.33 | solemnwarning | It's an embedded 486 with 18MiB memory :P |
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| 11:59.39 | solemnwarning | Well, 20MiB apparently |
| 11:59.42 | iwkse | DustyBin: check LPI |
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| 12:00.15 | DustyBin | aye ok, i want to become a Debian Certified Engineer |
| 12:00.22 | harpal | when i do fdisk -l than I cant get anyhing why? |
| 12:00.28 | cast | damn kernel updates |
| 12:00.35 | solemnwarning | btw |
| 12:00.46 | solemnwarning | The original system LILO came up after BIOS |
| 12:01.11 | solemnwarning | The debian LILO doesn't display anything, is that debian's default config or a driver issue? |
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| 12:04.09 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 12:04.24 | cast | '0 ~$ Ai blender |
| 12:04.39 | cast | until you can install things as easily in windows as you can in debian windows is not fit for the desktop! |
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| 12:05.23 | wols | solemnwarning: you haven't installed lilo then |
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| 12:05.27 | wols | the new lilo that is |
| 12:05.37 | solemnwarning | ? |
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| 12:05.56 | wols | DustyBin: and how would provide the mythical cert? |
| 12:06.11 | wols | s/how/who |
| 12:06.29 | DustyBin | you could test me wols :D |
| 12:06.40 | solemnwarning | wols: Does the lilo in sarge have a bug that stops it displaying anything? :\ |
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| 12:07.01 | wols | solemnwarning: no |
| 12:07.13 | wols | at least not that I now but I always used grub |
| 12:07.21 | solemnwarning | So what're you talking about a new lilo? |
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| 12:07.39 | wols | you need to install lilo from your sarge |
| 12:07.47 | s | exit |
| 12:07.51 | solemnwarning | wols: I have.... |
| 12:08.00 | wols | solemnwarning: not properly |
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| 12:08.23 | solemnwarning | wols: The debian installer did it |
| 12:08.36 | solemnwarning | And the system starts, just without displaying lilo |
| 12:08.48 | wols | then edit your config file |
| 12:08.48 | solemnwarning | The first thing I see after poweron is the kernel messages |
| 12:09.03 | wols | set the timeout higher for example |
| 12:09.04 | solemnwarning | wols: There's an option to disable output, enabled by default? O_O |
| 12:09.12 | harpal | I cant get any output when I type command fdisk -l . no error I get. what should I do? |
| 12:09.54 | wols | harpal: are you root? |
| 12:09.58 | solemnwarning | What's the default timeout used by lilo? |
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| 12:10.47 | harpal | wols: yes |
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| 12:11.11 | sharika | wols: hi the thing which blocked the sound card was gmail chat settings:)now its ok |
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| 12:11.43 | sharika | wols: i disabled the sounds on in the gmail chat settings and it stopped accessing /dev/dsp |
| 12:12.35 | sharika | thanks:) |
| 12:12.38 | wols | harpal: you can check /proc and your kernel outputs |
| 12:12.53 | solemnwarning | I see LILO when I connect the disk into another machine, but not the 486 |
| 12:13.15 | solemnwarning | Does LILO do some obcsure graphics access? |
| 12:13.22 | harpal | wols: in /proc what should I chack? kernel output means dmesg? |
| 12:13.42 | wols | yes dmesg |
| 12:13.45 | wols | and kern.log |
| 12:13.59 | wols | and in proc you check /proc/ide/ for example |
| 12:14.17 | harpal | ok |
| 12:14.18 | wols | and /proc/partitions of course |
| 12:15.19 | DustyBin | 12:13:49 up 37 days, 3:33, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 hows that for stable etch :D |
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| 12:16.06 | cast | DustyBin: i just rebooted after 66 for kernel update, :< |
| 12:17.03 | solemnwarning | Why would Debian's lilo not display on my 486 even though the default system lilo does? |
| 12:17.16 | solemnwarning | The default lilo is older, surely the newer one should support it as well |
| 12:17.22 | harpal | wols: I have some major and minor block and other things in /proc/partition. i have hda in /proc/ide and I have nothing error type in dmesg |
| 12:18.15 | RichiH | narf |
| 12:18.26 | RichiH | i need to run, but can someone file this with bdo? |
| 12:18.32 | RichiH | http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/480855/30/0/threaded |
| 12:18.42 | wols | harpal: 3 1 7815591 hda1 is an example line |
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| 12:19.10 | RichiH | solemnwarning, wols: go go go :p |
| 12:19.23 | solemnwarning | RichiH: ? |
| 12:20.10 | RichiH | solemnwarning: buffer overflow in openssl |
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| 12:20.31 | solemnwarning | Now I'm confused |
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| 12:20.50 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
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| 12:21.21 | H2OyJaBoN | how can I install the nvidia driver on Lenny distribution...? ( I recive the non-GPL error.....) |
| 12:21.39 | harpal | wols: I have /ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 instead of hda1 |
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| 12:23.48 | dafe | hi all |
| 12:24.18 | dafe | does debian have the bind command? |
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| 12:24.28 | dafe | the one regarding cpu affinity |
| 12:24.35 | themill | !tell H2OyJaBoN about nvidia 2.6.21 |
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| 12:25.43 | graytron | what's the recommended way of loading snd-oss* modules in debian? plain /etc/modules or something else? |
| 12:26.38 | cahoot | graytron, the system doesn't do it automagically for you? |
| 12:27.18 | wols | harpal: devfs. are you running sarge? |
| 12:27.21 | graytron | cahoot: correct |
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| 12:27.38 | graytron | cahoot: have to check upon next reboot |
| 12:27.41 | cahoot | graytron, what debianversion is this? |
| 12:27.53 | rmaj | hello |
| 12:27.53 | graytron | cat: /proc/debian_version: No such file or directory |
| 12:27.57 | themill | dafe: taskset in the package schedutils |
| 12:27.57 | graytron | oops |
| 12:28.05 | graytron | cahoot: 4.0 |
| 12:28.21 | rmaj | I have hard drive with not-matching my hardware kernel, and a LiveCD; how to install there a debian kernel by hand? |
| 12:28.26 | graytron | cahoot: maybe its because i didn't have linux-sound-base installed on last boot |
| 12:28.57 | dafe | umm so is an utility package? |
| 12:29.05 | cahoot | graytron, see if they get autoloaded if you run invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload |
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| 12:29.31 | wols | rmaj: boot the livecd, chroot into your debian, dpkg -i the kernel |
| 12:29.34 | graytron | cahoot: i have to reboot because of upgraded kernel anyway, so i'll first check that :) |
| 12:29.40 | graytron | cahoot: thanks for the hint though |
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| 12:29.46 | cahoot | ok |
| 12:29.47 | rmaj | wols: I dont think that live cd (RIP) have a dpkg |
| 12:30.01 | wols | but your debian surely does |
| 12:30.28 | rmaj | hmm so I will be using executable from that drive? will they match the kernel of my live cd etc? |
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| 12:31.02 | wols | read what I wrote: " chroot into your debian," |
| 12:31.21 | themill | rmaj: the kernel version is less important that the libc6 version |
| 12:31.24 | harpal | wols: no i have etch |
| 12:31.49 | wols | harpal: what kernel version? if you have etch and devfs, your etch is not upgraded right from sarge |
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| 12:32.03 | joey[] | etch uses xinetd or inetd by default? |
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| 12:32.29 | roland_ | hows linux support for AMD chipsets (NOT ati) |
| 12:32.35 | harpal | wols: sorry thats my another system it has sarge 3.1 |
| 12:32.51 | harpal | The system is debian 3.1 |
| 12:33.04 | solemnwarning | What lilo command do I run after updating lilo.conf? |
| 12:33.11 | rmaj | can I also unpack .deb by hand and copy needed files to /boot and /lib/modules/ ? |
| 12:33.27 | bullgard4 | "Most historic Unix workstations had a Meta key." What was the function of this key? |
| 12:33.31 | roland_ | how is linux support for AMD chipset based motherboards? |
| 12:33.37 | solemnwarning | bullgard4: Alt |
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| 12:34.30 | DustyBin | roland: good |
| 12:35.05 | wols | rmaj: have you tried what I told you to do? |
| 12:35.23 | rmaj | wols: I will soon, just curious |
| 12:35.30 | wols | rmaj: you can do it but then you also have to edit your boot config, modules, create an initrd, etc |
| 12:35.37 | bullgard4 | solemnwarning: Thank you. |
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| 12:36.52 | roland_ | i have 4 harddisks of 1TB each , via SATA II, i want to implement RAID 1 mirroring in Debian, ie. i want anything that is written to the first 2 hard drives, to automatically/simultaneously be written to the last 2 hard drives, how do i implement |
| 12:37.10 | roland_ | can i make the 1st set of hard drives into a logical volume |
| 12:37.28 | roland_ | and then make that logical volume mirrored via raid array of last 2 hard drives? |
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| 12:38.34 | harpal | wols: I have debian 3.1, what should I do? |
| 12:38.57 | themill | bullgard4: are we doing your "history of computing" homework for you? |
| 12:39.16 | wols | harpal: what do you need fdisk -l for? |
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| 12:40.11 | war | roland_: yes |
| 12:40.13 | war | roland_: riad10 |
| 12:40.18 | war | roland_: raid10 |
| 12:40.32 | rootmos | how do i check if a feature is enabled in the kernel? can i grep on it in sysctl -a ? |
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| 12:40.41 | rmaj | I see debian, even testing, is sometime a year behind uptodate versions of software? |
| 12:40.48 | cast | war: not nec raid0, though |
| 12:40.57 | harpal | wols: I have attached another harddisk to it and I dont know that partitions |
| 12:41.14 | sep | rootmos, the config is in /boot/ tho |
| 12:41.32 | cast | roland_: lvm over mdadm anyway, |
| 12:41.37 | wols | harpal: pastebin your /proc/partitions |
| 12:41.47 | harpal | ok |
| 12:42.03 | rootmos | sep: thanks |
| 12:42.19 | roland_ | cast : all this can be setup at debian install ? |
| 12:42.19 | Wyzard | rmaj: It's possible, but testing shouldn't be that far behind for anything major |
| 12:42.23 | roland_ | lvm/raid |
| 12:42.34 | Wyzard | roland_: yes |
| 12:42.35 | rmaj | Wyzard: in example GTK in testing seems to be a year behind O_o |
| 12:42.40 | cast | roland_: lvm certainly, raid nfi |
| 12:42.44 | rmaj | or am I doing something wrong |
| 12:42.46 | roland_ | how does the installer know what kind of raid functionality i awnt |
| 12:42.47 | roland_ | want |
| 12:43.28 | sep | roland_, you tell it |
| 12:44.04 | Wyzard | rmaj: The libgtk2.0-0 package in testing is version 2.10.13, which according to http://www.gtk.org/oldnews.html was released about three months ago |
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| 12:44.38 | war | roland_: good luck with that ;) |
| 12:44.47 | war | roland_: I install to 1 hdd and then boot knoppix and convert to raid10 |
| 12:44.49 | H2OyJaBoN | is the mysql-query-browser packages on lenny ? |
| 12:44.49 | harpal | wols: here it is http://pastebin.ca/718434 |
| 12:44.50 | war | or raid1 in my case |
| 12:45.04 | fireba11 | roland_ : it's really easy to set up raid in installer |
| 12:45.42 | cast | can grub boot raid? |
| 12:45.50 | fireba11 | of course |
| 12:45.58 | roland_ | ok |
| 12:46.14 | roland_ | all this disk setup can be done using netinst cd ? |
| 12:46.16 | wols | harpal: ide/host0/bus0/target1 is your 2nd disk most probably |
| 12:46.16 | roland_ | text mode installer |
| 12:46.24 | Wyzard | roland_: yes |
| 12:46.28 | fireba11 | roland_ : yes |
| 12:46.40 | roland_ | k |
| 12:46.55 | dafe | ok thanks bro |
| 12:47.01 | roland_ | is there any documentation i can read for setting up install time raid 1 in debian ? |
| 12:47.27 | harpal | wols: its second harddisk and part shows us partition? |
| 12:47.31 | fireba11 | roland_ : yes ... though i never read it's it's easy enough :-D |
| 12:47.38 | roland_ | ok |
| 12:48.14 | Wyzard | rmaj: If you're talking about the fact that testing doesn't have GTK 2.12, ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/2.12 shows that 2.12 was released just two weeks ago, and the gtk.org website apparently hasn't been updated to even mention it yet |
| 12:48.20 | rmaj | btw, wouldnt it be cool to be able to mark package as "not important" (it will be removed if blocking any updates witohut warning) or "important" (can not be removed by mistake in upgrade)? |
| 12:48.33 | roland_ | are u guys sure i can use raid and linux is working well with AMD chipset ? i dont wanna risk wasting money on product that doesnt have full functionality under debian |
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| 12:48.42 | rmaj | Wyzard: hmm I think I had older version because upgrade was blocked by some software... I will check |
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| 12:48.50 | flokuehn | wols: isnt it possible to check partitions via df? |
| 12:49.05 | wols | flokuehn: only if already mounted |
| 12:49.09 | flokuehn | ah ok |
| 12:49.22 | Wyzard | rmaj: aptitude and apt-get both tell you when a package has been held back |
| 12:50.21 | slapfaceware | how do i run a command as a specific user? |
| 12:50.29 | cast | slapfaceware: man su |
| 12:50.37 | flokuehn | wols: the device isnt already mounted? |
| 12:50.42 | slapfaceware | i did su, but im still root |
| 12:50.51 | slapfaceware | when i type whoami, im still root |
| 12:50.58 | cast | slapfaceware: that's not what i said :) |
| 12:51.00 | wols | slapfaceware: su <username> |
| 12:51.03 | rmaj | slapfaceware: su someuser |
| 12:51.10 | slapfaceware | i did |
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| 12:51.17 | slapfaceware | after that, i'm still root |
| 12:51.31 | iwkse | while compiling dpkg i get this error http://pastebin.ca/718442 . I need some further packages? |
| 12:51.31 | slapfaceware | after su someuser, i type whoami, im still root |
| 12:51.37 | rmaj | slapfaceware: impossible; paste to paster log of what you exacly do |
| 12:51.56 | Borbus | slapfaceware, do su - username |
| 12:52.12 | slapfaceware | i'm root. i type su user, then i type whoami, it returns root |
| 12:52.19 | cast | might be an invalid shell for the user |
| 12:52.30 | slapfaceware | this user doesn't have shell |
| 12:52.33 | rmaj | slapfaceware: it works here |
| 12:52.39 | Borbus | The correct syntax is su - user not su user |
| 12:52.43 | rmaj | slapfaceware: does su user return any error |
| 12:52.54 | slapfaceware | im configuring munin, it creates user munin |
| 12:53.08 | roland_ | raid using AMD chipset work ok under debian? |
| 12:53.31 | wols | roland_: you won't get more answers than you already got asking the same stupid question over and over |
| 12:53.32 | Wyzard | roland_: The type of chipset has nothing to do with whether software RAID works |
| 12:53.36 | slapfaceware | su - munin returns same |
| 12:53.59 | roland_ | Wyzard : ok |
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| 12:54.17 | Wyzard | roland_: If you're talking about a "hardware RAID" fakeraid controller, most of those work, but if you have one that isn't supported; it's no big deal; you just use software RAID |
| 12:54.26 | wols | slapfaceware: NO ONE told you to use "su - <username>" |
| 12:54.33 | Wyzard | roland_: software RAID is often preferable over fakeraid anyway |
| 12:54.35 | roland_ | whats the difference between hardware raid and software raid |
| 12:54.36 | wols | slapfaceware: learn to read or someone has to slap your face harder |
| 12:54.43 | AbsintheSyringe | I'm on lenny, after I select which kernel image I want to boot in grub, it takes at least 10seconds to start loading the system |
| 12:54.44 | wols | Wyzard: s/often/all/ |
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| 12:54.56 | wols | AbsintheSyringe: then edit your menu.lst |
| 12:54.57 | rmaj | wols: actually, Borbus did ;) |
| 12:55.19 | AbsintheSyringe | wols, yes and add what? |
| 12:55.26 | slapfaceware | <Borbus> The correct syntax is su - user not su user |
| 12:55.35 | slapfaceware | so what's the grammar to do su |
| 12:55.41 | rmaj | slapfaceware: man su |
| 12:55.47 | wols | AbsintheSyringe: read the comments. they will enlighten you |
| 12:55.49 | Borbus | That's correct isn't it? That changes the environment variables too |
| 12:56.13 | timgoh0 | Borbus: In either case, the user should not be root. |
| 12:56.16 | AbsintheSyringe | wols, but I'm not talking about timeout, but still I'll read them |
| 12:56.19 | slapfaceware | i did man su, now what |
| 12:56.26 | rmaj | slapfaceware: now read |
| 12:56.31 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: su runs the target user's shell, so if the user doesn't have a valid shell, the session probably just exits immediately |
| 12:56.34 | slapfaceware | i read |
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| 12:56.45 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: You could use the "-s" option to invoke a different, valid shell instead |
| 12:56.48 | slapfaceware | can i just run a coommand |
| 12:56.59 | rmaj | slapfaceware: man sudo for that |
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| 12:59.49 | roland_ | whats the difference between hardware raid and software raid ? is hardware raid assisted by a raid controller ? and software raid just implemented in the OS \ |
| 12:59.51 | roland_ | ? |
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| 13:00.41 | Wyzard | roland_: True hardware RAID is done entirely by the controller, as the name implies, so the OS actually sees what looks like a single big disk |
| 13:00.42 | solemnwarning | Why would LILO not display anything on one machine but display fine on another? |
| 13:00.56 | solemnwarning | I just get a normal flashing VGA cursor on a blank screen |
| 13:00.59 | Wyzard | roland_: Hardware RAID controllers are expensive and generally found only on server-class motherboards |
| 13:00.59 | war | roland_: yep |
| 13:01.31 | Wyzard | roland_: Consumer motherboards with "RAID" controllers are all fakeraid, which is not hardware RAID, it's software RAID implemented in the controller's driver |
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| 13:01.57 | Wyzard | roland_: with some special BIOS support to help with configuring an array and booting from it in an OS-independent fashion |
| 13:03.03 | Wyzard | roland_: Software RAID is Linux-specific (i.e. other OSes can't access the array) but quite mature and stable |
| 13:03.24 | GuHHH | bye |
| 13:03.34 | alex2308 | doesnt software raid in raid-5 compute the checksums in CPU while hardware raids have special hardware? |
| 13:04.20 | Wyzard | alex2308: *Some* fakeraid controllers have hardware checksum computation |
| 13:04.35 | alex2308 | btw, im looking for a tutorial to setup exim4 on my dedicated server. so far i cant send/receive email, only local (courier-imap/pop and exim4) |
| 13:04.36 | Wyzard | alex2308: Some don't (and many don't support raid5 at all) |
| 13:04.59 | alex2308 | my mainboard has only software and i uses way too much CPU |
| 13:05.04 | Wyzard | alex2308: A real hardware RAID controller has its own onboard processor and RAM |
| 13:05.29 | jelly | and batteries :-) |
| 13:05.44 | solemnwarning | Does anyone here use LILO at all? :\ |
| 13:05.45 | Wyzard | alex2308: I use raid5 and it's not that bad... barely noticeable unless I'm writing a large file |
| 13:05.48 | solemnwarning | !lilo |
| 13:05.48 | dpkg | lilo is probably the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 13:05.58 | alex2308 | i dont use lilo |
| 13:06.06 | Wyzard | hmm, that factoid is out of date |
| 13:06.12 | roland_ | so with 4 hard drives, i can make two volume groups, and make them both into a raid 1 array |
| 13:06.17 | Dave2 | quite badly out of date |
| 13:06.28 | solemnwarning | Yeah, lilo dies ages ago |
| 13:06.33 | Eulex | :/ |
| 13:06.41 | alex2308 | i use windows vista |
| 13:06.57 | alex2308 | now, before i get banned: does anyone have a exim4 tutorial? |
| 13:07.05 | solemnwarning | I don't use toilet paper, I re-use a single sandpaper sheet over and over |
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| 13:07.55 | jelly | alex2308: you could just dpkg-reconfigure your exim4 package and choose a better option than the "local delivery only" |
| 13:07.58 | rmaj | solemnwarning: thank you for sharing |
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| 13:08.20 | Wyzard | roland_: What you're looking for is RAID 1+0, aka RAID 10: two mirrored (RAID 1) pairs striped into a single larger (RAID 0) array |
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| 13:08.42 | Wyzard | roland_: You can set up RAID 10 with the partitioning tool in Debian's installer |
| 13:08.46 | solemnwarning | wow |
| 13:08.51 | solemnwarning | Linux 2.4 is still maintained? |
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| 13:09.02 | rmaj | solemnwarning: yeap; I think even 2.2 is |
| 13:09.18 | solemnwarning | rmaj: 2.2 ended in '04 |
| 13:09.30 | solemnwarning | Why on earth is 2.4 still maintained though :\ |
| 13:09.39 | rmaj | hmm so Im wrong |
| 13:09.45 | rmaj | solemnwarning: some ppl use 24 on servers |
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| 13:09.58 | Wyzard | roland_: You'd make a partition on each disk, and set "use as: physical volume for RAID" on each |
| 13:09.58 | solemnwarning | I'm about to compile 2.4 but that's because it's on a 486 |
| 13:10.03 | rmaj | The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.35.3 2007-09-23 22:05 UTC |
| 13:10.18 | solemnwarning | There's no reason for 2.4 unless you have an old machine |
| 13:10.39 | rmaj | its considered more secure or something I think |
| 13:10.44 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: My Linksys WRT54G runs 2.4... the driver for its wireless device is a binary-only module built for 2.4 |
| 13:10.47 | rmaj | It might be also slower, DSL uses it |
| 13:10.49 | rmaj | *smaller |
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| 13:12.32 | solemnwarning | An away message! KILL THE HERATIC! |
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| 13:12.38 | roland_ | Wyzard: all this can be done without using lvm right? |
| 13:12.47 | matthew__ | How do I burn an ISO from command line? |
| 13:12.55 | Wyzard | roland_: correct... RAID and LVM are completely unrelated to each other |
| 13:12.58 | themill | !tell debiantonio about away |
| 13:13.01 | roland_ | man cdrecord |
| 13:13.13 | Wyzard | roland_: but LVM is a good way to partition your RAID array into multiple filesystems |
| 13:13.14 | themill | debiantonio: we asked you yesterday to stop using away messages too |
| 13:13.16 | sep | matthew__, wodim if its a cd, growisofs if its a dvd i belive |
| 13:13.19 | roland_ | Wyzard, just wanted to use lvm to simplify things |
| 13:13.23 | roland_ | yes |
| 13:13.25 | roland_ | thats what |
| 13:13.27 | debiantonio | themill, sorry |
| 13:13.31 | matthew__ | sep: how do I use wodim? |
| 13:13.34 | Wyzard | roland_: You'd use the RAID device as the physical volume for LVM |
| 13:13.35 | matthew__ | Any like, oneliner for it? |
| 13:13.44 | solemnwarning | !cdrecord |
| 13:13.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 13:13.46 | sep | matthew__, i use it like "wodim -eject file.iso" |
| 13:13.53 | matthew__ | ah! |
| 13:13.57 | debiantonio | themill, i desconect |
| 13:14.07 | themill | debiantonio: that's ok... just please turn them off. If every one of the 800 people on this channel sent an away message when they went for a piss, that would be rather annoying... |
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| 13:14.42 | debiantonio | themill, sorry again :/ |
| 13:14.48 | debiantonio | ok |
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| 13:15.37 | matthew__ | thanks sep! |
| 13:15.51 | themill | !lart rmaj |
| 13:15.56 | roland_ | Wyzard : everything gets mirrored to the 2nd set of hard drives? even the OS and any changes i do to it |
| 13:16.14 | rmaj | roland_: shure, its on lowest level |
| 13:16.23 | themill | yucky visuals there, dpkg... that was a little too well matched... |
| 13:16.25 | Wyzard | roland_: If you put your root filesystem somewhere on the array, yes |
| 13:16.42 | Wyzard | roland_: The only thing that can't be on the array is your /boot directory, since GRUB needs to load files from a plain partition |
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| 13:17.12 | Wyzard | roland_: so you'd make a small partition (100MB is more than enough) on one of your disks and use that as /boot |
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| 13:20.11 | sep | roland_, i usualy put a 100MB /boot in a raid1 in the front of 2 drives, if you want to use only a single /boot then i recoment prepearing a boot floppy for emergencies or keep a live cd around. |
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| 13:21.37 | Wyzard | but losing /boot isn't really a big deal (the kernel and GRUB are easy to reinstall) and I always have a liveCD around anyway |
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| 13:25.26 | slapfaceware | i still don't know why the fuck would debian split one simple conf file into so many small files |
| 13:25.48 | Ast001 | (synaptic:10846): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed .. What this means ? |
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| 13:25.57 | themill | slapfaceware: are you talking about exim? it's hardly a *simple* config file if it's one file. |
| 13:26.09 | Wyzard | Ast001: a bug in the program |
| 13:26.12 | themill | Ast001: did synaptic crash? |
| 13:26.16 | Ast001 | no |
| 13:26.20 | themill | then ignore it |
| 13:26.21 | Ast001 | It can start synaptic |
| 13:26.23 | slapfaceware | i'm talking about exim, apache, and many other services |
| 13:26.33 | harpal | Where can I set domainname for samba? |
| 13:26.45 | themill | slapfaceware: in the case of apache, splitting the config file is one of the best things that they've ever done. |
| 13:26.49 | timgoh0 | harpal: smb.conf |
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| 13:27.01 | slapfaceware | did you say best?? omfg |
| 13:27.16 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: The benefit in using a directory of "pieces of" config files is that packages can install new bits of configuration by just unpacking a file to a specific directory |
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| 13:27.32 | slapfaceware | why the fuck do i need vhost-existing, vhost-enabled, conf.d, |
| 13:27.42 | harpal | timgoh0: Is that WORKGROUP = domainname? |
| 13:27.49 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: as opposed to having to use a script or something to insert things into the middle of a monolithic config file, and remove them when the package is uninstalled |
| 13:27.51 | slapfaceware | one simple type will ruin whole thing |
| 13:27.55 | themill | slapfaceware: yep. In the old-days before the split config, every time you installed a new version, you had to re-merge your customisations with the maintainers version. |
| 13:28.06 | timgoh0 | harpal: Yes, then set the appropriate security type, consult the docs for more information. |
| 13:28.12 | slapfaceware | configuration should always be managed by user, not the fixed conf.d |
| 13:28.15 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: One simple typo would ruin the whole thing in a monolithic config file too |
| 13:28.20 | themill | slapfaceware: bollox. |
| 13:28.23 | harpal | timgoh0: thanx |
| 13:28.39 | slapfaceware | file A include file B, file B include file C |
| 13:28.47 | slapfaceware | so fucking stupid |
| 13:28.54 | themill | slapfaceware: that never happens in the apache config |
| 13:28.59 | timgoh0 | slapfaceware: No, include conf.d/* is the usual way. |
| 13:29.00 | themill | unless *you* do it |
| 13:29.18 | timgoh0 | And it is Good because it makes for easier to troubleshoot configs |
| 13:29.26 | timgoh0 | Most especially if you're using rcs. |
| 13:29.27 | slapfaceware | what's inlcude what should be defined by user, not the system |
| 13:29.29 | Wyzard | In the case of apache, module packages (libapache2-mod-*) can install *.load and *.conf files into the mods-available directory |
| 13:29.41 | timgoh0 | slapfaceware: In that case, you may as well be using LFS. |
| 13:29.41 | wols | is there a openvpn support channel? |
| 13:29.50 | Wyzard | the "a2enmod" and "a2dismod" commands enable and disable modules by just linking them into the mods-enabled directory |
| 13:29.54 | slapfaceware | just difficult to troubleshoot config.. |
| 13:29.56 | themill | slapfaceware: anyone who has to manage a config for an installation for anything other than a little toy webserver appreciates the split configs. |
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| 13:30.09 | wols | my openvpn clients can ping,connect,etc and get a response, my server doing the same to the clients does not :( |
| 13:30.13 | Wyzard | All the actual apache configuration does is read mods-enabled/* |
| 13:30.19 | slapfaceware | i do not see any point of making this conf file fragments |
| 13:30.44 | timgoh0 | wols: Clients can ping server, but server cannot ping clients? |
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| 13:30.50 | timgoh0 | wols: Check the routes on the server. |
| 13:31.03 | themill | slapfaceware: I would say that you don't understand the philosophy behind it. You would do better being calm and not hostile and asking about the philosophy of the configuration and why it's a bloody good idea for so many reasons. |
| 13:31.08 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: Suppose you install an apache plugin, such as libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:31.19 | slapfaceware | for example, in apache, i have a couple vhosts, but i have some alias too, i can put those basically anywhere .. how is it easy to find out where to find it when there's problem |
| 13:31.49 | timgoh0 | slapfaceware: Consider the scenario where you're managing a non-trivial number of vhosts with other admins. |
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| 13:31.52 | sine | hi |
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| 13:31.55 | slapfaceware | if something wrong, i may need to find it in eveywhere in conf.d, vhost-enabled, or whatever |
| 13:31.59 | timgoh0 | A split config file allows for delegation of control. |
| 13:32.01 | themill | slapfaceware: the only place you are supposed to put them is in the vhost config if they are vhost-specific or in the conf.d if it should be system wide. |
| 13:32.05 | themill | slapfaceware: how hard is that? |
| 13:32.14 | solemnwarning | If I'm building a 2.4 kernel for a 486 with a single, unknown IDE port should I use "old disk-only driver on primary interface"? |
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| 13:32.31 | slapfaceware | in case another IT guy who's not familiar with debian, he put vhost in somewhere else, it still works.. |
| 13:32.45 | slapfaceware | after a while, problem occurs, and i have to search for the entry everywhere |
| 13:32.46 | wols | timgoh0: that's strange the routes (set by the server itself) only mention 10.10.0.2 while the server has an ip of 10.10.0.1: 10.10.0.0 10.10.0.2 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 13:32.50 | slapfaceware | time wasting.. |
| 13:32.58 | slapfaceware | silly |
| 13:32.58 | sine | last night i installed windows xp and it overwrote the mbr. today i used an ubuntu cd to install grub back and it was fine again listed debian as well, only it doesnt have my xp in the list. can i edit the grub file from here and add the windows startup line |
| 13:33.11 | slapfaceware | being unique doesn't mean it's good |
| 13:33.14 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: then the real problem isn't Debian's organization of the vhost config, it's the admin's ignoring the organization system and putting vhost configs wherever he wants |
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| 13:33.22 | sabanovski | hi |
| 13:33.27 | slapfaceware | debian is not good because it's different from others |
| 13:33.40 | timgoh0 | wols: Who IS 10.10.0.2? |
| 13:33.40 | sabanovski | when you type ip/test |
| 13:33.43 | themill | slapfaceware: then go away and use something different |
| 13:33.47 | sabanovski | when you go there is it posible to add disk therE? |
| 13:33.51 | sabanovski | so i can access disk on net |
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| 13:34.06 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: You're free to ignore the sites-available directory and just put your vhosts in apache2.conf if you want |
| 13:34.10 | wols | timgoh0: no one, that'S the problem :) the server is 10.10.0.2 but I didn't set the routes myself. server did it automagically |
| 13:34.20 | sabanovski | to add to apache |
| 13:34.28 | themill | slapfaceware: but then the apache maintainer cannot do anything to help you. you're on your own. |
| 13:34.33 | wols | timgoh0: one sec I pastebin the server config |
| 13:34.35 | SpeedyG | slapfaceware: documented management of servers is much easier using smaller config files.. since you can point to a configfile, instead of some line in a huge pile of config-settings |
| 13:34.45 | slapfaceware | that's exactly my point, so i'll need to search both apache2.conf and sites-available to find all sites information. |
| 13:34.49 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: but you can't blame Debian for your admin scattering vhost definitions haphazardly around |
| 13:35.06 | slapfaceware | no, that's not what i meant |
| 13:35.08 | themill | slapfaceware: you should never put things in apache2.conf. That's the maintainers file and you shouldn't edit it. |
| 13:35.12 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: No you don't... if you decide to not use sites-available, you don't need to look there, because there won't be anything there; it'll all be in apache2.conf |
| 13:35.29 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: and if you decide to use sites-available, you won't need to look in apache2.conf for vhosts, because nobody should be putting them there |
| 13:35.36 | sabanovski | anybody |
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| 13:35.36 | sabanovski | :p |
| 13:35.52 | wols | timgoh0: http://paste2.org/p/7632 |
| 13:35.54 | dimsuz | what package should i install on lenny for compiling kernel drivers? |
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| 13:36.05 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: If you scatter your vhost entries all over, then of course you'll have to look all over to find them, but that's up to *you* |
| 13:36.14 | SpeedyG | sabanovski: what are you trying to do? :) |
| 13:36.24 | themill | slapfaceware: On one rather simple webserver I look after, I've got a nicely split up config and I can go directly to exactly the right file to change/fix/add etc and it's fast and trivial for me to do that. If it were in one big file, I'd be wading through a 3000ish line config file. yuck. |
| 13:36.43 | themill | slapfaceware: btw do you prefer editing sendmail.cf or sendmail.mc ? |
| 13:36.46 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: Tell your admin that vhost configs go in sites-available and nowhere else, and your vhost organization problem is solved |
| 13:36.55 | slapfaceware | but noone can ignore vhosts in apache2.conf, and you can't prevend ppl from making entry in apache2.conf |
| 13:37.00 | FastPutty | hi, someone help me with my iptables rules. i tried to communicate from tun0 to tun1 so I: iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -o tun1 -j ACCEPT and iptables -A FORWARD -i tun1 -o tun0 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:37.09 | peterS | oh come on, like any kids these days have ever heard of either sendmail.cf or sendmail.mc |
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| 13:37.26 | themill | peterS: heh |
| 13:37.28 | slapfaceware | i just think this debian way of conf distribution is unnecessary |
| 13:37.31 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: Sure you can, just tell them not to, and yell at them if they do :-) |
| 13:37.32 | FastPutty | and still cannot omeone could help me |
| 13:37.33 | peterS | slapfaceware: actually you can prevent that, it's called unix file permissions, it's a default feature shipped with debian |
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| 13:37.58 | themill | slapfaceware: you issue cluebats to your admins. We'll give you one if you want. |
| 13:38.02 | themill | !cluebat slapfaceware |
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| 13:38.34 | slapfaceware | i'm getting used to admin weird debian system anyway |
| 13:38.39 | peterS | this "1d6" nomenclature is stupid. it makes us appear to be RPG weenies |
| 13:38.49 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: A sloppy admin could also put kernel modules somewhere other than the proper subdirectory of /lib/modules, for example... that's not the system's fault |
| 13:39.00 | SpeedyG | peterS: arent you? o_0 ;) |
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| 13:39.12 | peterS | SpeedyG: nope, and have never been. am I in a minority? |
| 13:39.18 | themill | no |
| 13:39.38 | SpeedyG | I dunno.. living in the place where I live, I guess you would be.. so you could join my minoritygroup of rpg-hating people ;) |
| 13:39.44 | peterS | I've never so much as played nethack |
| 13:39.50 | beardy | No, but I'm quite sure both exist. And also in all kinds of degrees. |
| 13:40.03 | beardy | Hmm. |
| 13:40.17 | peterS | well, maybe I tried nethack once, in 1993. but it wasn't interesting enough to continue with |
| 13:42.06 | SpeedyG | themill: your biggest limitation is your imagination ;) |
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| 13:43.03 | sabanovski | i was googling but no good page of seting up apache on debian. from begining to the and |
| 13:43.07 | sabanovski | has got anybody any good link? |
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| 13:43.56 | rmaj | sabanovski: apt-get install apache2 php5 ; echo "Hello" > /var/www/index.html ; echo "Done" |
| 13:44.17 | rmaj | sabanovski: possibly also mysql and php5-mysql |
| 13:44.18 | dimsuz | what package should i install on lenny for compiling kernel drivers? |
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| 13:44.50 | peterS | rmaj: apache2 sets its default home page to /var/www/apache2-default/ though, so there's a little more to it than that |
| 13:44.55 | themill | rmaj: might also want libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:45.05 | rmaj | dimsuz: try apt-get build-dep linux-image-something |
| 13:45.17 | themill | dimsuz: module-assistant |
| 13:45.38 | dimsuz | rmaj: themill, thanks |
| 13:45.39 | rmaj | peterS: actually it is used only in abscense of index.html I think? if not then remove that redirection from /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 13:45.57 | dimsuz | themill: i want to try to build e1000 from sources. if you're still remember me ;) |
| 13:46.02 | rmaj | rmaj: ncurses dev something is needed for make menuconfig btw |
| 13:46.32 | peterS | rmaj: you mean libncurses5-dev, I suppose, which is I believe pulled in by one of those other build dependencies |
| 13:46.34 | dimsuz | themill: i guess i can't use m-a for that, or can I? |
| 13:46.35 | SpeedyG | rmaj: it's the default if you've installed it.. doesnt matter if index.html/php/whatever is present, it just redirects :) |
| 13:46.36 | themill | dimsuz: yes.. the scars are still there... m-a might not be what you want |
| 13:46.48 | rmaj | SpeedyG: oh ok |
| 13:47.28 | sabanovski | hmm |
| 13:47.42 | dimsuz | themill: but at least it'll install dependencies needed for building, yes? |
| 13:47.47 | Wyzard | dimsuz: e1000 is part of the standard kernel... how is recompiling it going to help? |
| 13:48.02 | themill | dimsuz: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 13:48.04 | dimsuz | themill: me and hark found that lenny's e1000 is too old |
| 13:48.10 | dimsuz | Wyzard: ^^^^ |
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| 13:48.24 | Wyzard | dimsuz: The e1000 driver in kernel 2.6.21 is too old? |
| 13:48.38 | dimsuz | Wyzard: yup |
| 13:48.38 | themill | dimsuz: have there been that many changes? ok... |
| 13:48.52 | themill | dimsuz: .22 any better? where are you pulling the source from? |
| 13:48.52 | dimsuz | Wyzard: at least modinfo says so |
| 13:48.59 | Wyzard | dimsuz: You could install 2.6.22, which is packaged in sid |
| 13:49.03 | dimsuz | themill: lenny |
| 13:49.16 | themill | dimsuz: no, the source for e1000 |
| 13:49.26 | themill | is it just a matter of teaching the driver a new pci-id? |
| 13:49.26 | dimsuz | Wyzard: hark checked e1000 version in sid, it's the same as in testing |
| 13:49.43 | Wyzard | dimsuz: then what e1000 source are you going to compile? |
| 13:49.44 | dimsuz | themill: uhm. i guess from intel download site |
| 13:49.51 | dimsuz | Wyzard: 7.6.5 |
| 13:49.56 | themill | dimsuz: ahh... |
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| 13:50.52 | dimsuz | Wyzard: ok. i won't compile it if you provide me with a way to make lenny's e1000 to detect my intel ethernet card :) |
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| 13:51.19 | themill | dimsuz: is there an appropriate parm to set of an extra pci-id that is required perhaps... |
| 13:51.46 | dimsuz | themill: i thought about that. but i don't know where to look for such driver params |
| 13:52.07 | themill | dimsuz: modinfo and the source code, often ;( |
| 13:52.11 | dimsuz | themill: actually i recall i looked in e1000 README in src package. nothing appropriate |
| 13:52.22 | dimsuz | themill: oh. i'll try modinfo |
| 13:53.10 | themill | dimsuz: what's the lspci -n entry for your card? |
| 13:53.20 | dimsuz | themill: one moment |
| 13:53.43 | dimsuz | themill: 00:19.0 0200: 8086:10bd (rev 02) |
| 13:53.47 | Wyzard | dimsuz: You might want to check whether 2.6.23 will have the new e1000 driver, and if so, maybe just use a different network card for awhile until that's released |
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| 13:54.21 | dimsuz | Wyzard: can I install 2.6.23 in lenny? (another nic is not an option currently) |
| 13:54.26 | themill | that pci-id isn't matched by the .22 kernel |
| 13:54.47 | Wyzard | dimsuz: .23 isn't released yet |
| 13:54.58 | dimsuz | themill: what does that mean? |
| 13:55.01 | dimsuz | themill: ah |
| 13:55.05 | Wyzard | dimsuz: but when it is, it'll be packaged (initially in sid, but you can install that without having to wait for it to enter lenny) |
| 13:55.08 | dimsuz | Wyzard: ah :) |
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| 13:55.38 | dimsuz | Wyzard: ok. anyway i'm thinking about trying to switch to sid (only after i make testing work, of course) |
| 13:55.57 | dimsuz | themill: so hand-compiling seems to be the only option now? |
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| 13:56.06 | jelly | dimsuz: kernels can be installed independently of the rest, thankfully. I run 2.6.23-rc6 for example |
| 13:56.26 | jelly | dimsuz: building it is not hard |
| 13:56.47 | jelly | dimsuz: in addition, you can get rid of the zillion needless modules |
| 13:56.50 | cnet2 | how can I supervise a service in debian, so that when it shuts down, I can start it up again |
| 13:56.51 | themill | dimsuz: well, it might just be a matter of providing a module alias to get the e1000 to grab that card, or it might actually be that the older e1000 can't talk to that card |
| 13:56.54 | dimsuz | jelly: i know that. but imo it's more simple just to compile one driver |
| 13:57.01 | fluxdude | is there any way to ssh a machine and have your session appear on the console? |
| 13:57.31 | fluxdude | not using screen cos the console is at the login prompt, I basically want ssh equivalent of vnc... |
| 13:57.55 | dimsuz | themill: it's likely the latter because I have a cutting edge devel-intel machine which isn't even released to public and _expected_ to have even hw issues |
| 13:58.11 | dimsuz | themill: so i assume it can have some brand new nic |
| 13:58.18 | themill | dimsuz: ahh... well, it is, so be happy? |
| 13:58.33 | dimsuz | themill: :D yup |
| 13:58.45 | dimsuz | themill: i am |
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| 13:59.51 | jelly | dimsuz: dunno, I build it often and it's usually a very straightforward procedure. |
| 14:00.34 | dimsuz | jelly: i know. i've done it a lot of times while i was on gentoo :) and even earlier. now i just don't need that. |
| 14:01.56 | iwkse | hi all, how to choise the dpkg while compiling it? |
| 14:02.12 | iwkse | dpkg/dpkg dir |
| 14:02.23 | iwkse | eg. /var/dpkg |
| 14:02.41 | themill | !wayttd iwkse |
| 14:02.41 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iwkse? |
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| 14:03.37 | iwkse | so, i had my old hard drive and i had to switch to a new one. i copied whole stuff but now i have problems with apt which seems to be broken |
| 14:03.54 | iwkse | i would like to install from sources dpkg and apt |
| 14:04.10 | dimsuz | themill: hmm. e1000 says kernel source not found when i type 'make'. Perhaps i need to generate version.h? or smth like that? don't remember... |
| 14:04.20 | jelly | dimsuz: /msg dpkg kp mantra ;-) |
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| 14:04.35 | redduck676 | one stupid question, how can i install mencoder in etch? |
| 14:04.48 | themill | !tell redduck676 about dmm |
| 14:05.19 | jelly | dimsuz: if you're building upon debian's kernel, you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:05.19 | themill | it's in the package mencoder on dmm |
| 14:05.19 | dimsuz | jelly: this will work for custom drivers? |
| 14:05.19 | dimsuz | jelly: just installed them |
| 14:05.19 | iwkse | themill: could you give me some hints? |
| 14:05.29 | jelly | dimir: headers? yeah. They're good enough to build vmware's modules for example. |
| 14:05.32 | themill | iwkse: I'm still not sure what you're trying to do. |
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| 14:05.42 | jelly | or alsa, or dvb. |
| 14:05.47 | themill | iwkse: or why |
| 14:05.48 | dimir | Hey! It wasn't me! |
| 14:06.15 | dimsuz | jelly: i don't have make-kpkg command |
| 14:06.24 | dimir | kpackage has it |
| 14:06.28 | dimsuz | jelly: and e1000 fails to find them for some reason |
| 14:06.29 | iwkse | themill: i said it..ok i can repeat. I had my old hard drive which was going to broke so i copy all the stuff to the new hd, install grub and boot |
| 14:06.39 | iwkse | themill: apt do not works |
| 14:06.43 | dimir | I mean, kernel-package |
| 14:06.47 | jelly | dimsuz: eh, if you know how to build the 3rd party module you don't need it |
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| 14:07.06 | dimsuz | jelly: well i need to type make :) and make installl |
| 14:07.10 | dimsuz | make doesn't work |
| 14:07.25 | redduck676 | themill: thanks |
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| 14:07.40 | jelly | dimsuz: there be a variable called KSRC or something like that, I don't remember |
| 14:08.05 | iwkse | themill: and it's something related to the /var/dpkg/status |
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| 14:08.13 | dimsuz | jelly: linux-headers-* are preconfigured to match the running kernel? |
| 14:08.15 | jelly | dimsuz: or just symlink linux-headers-$(uname -r) to linux in /usr/src and hope ;-) |
| 14:08.16 | DawnLight | what do you make of this? |
| 14:08.21 | iwkse | themill: so i think to reinstall dpkg & apt |
| 14:08.24 | jelly | dimsuz: correct |
| 14:08.27 | solemnwarning | I can't sftp with dropbear, so I need OpenSSH for SFTP? |
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| 14:09.00 | Wyzard | dimsuz: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build is a symlink to the headers for a kernel |
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| 14:09.06 | jelly | dimsuz: there are always matching linux-image-foo and linux-headers-foo packages |
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| 14:09.22 | iwkse | themill: did i better explain myself? |
| 14:09.25 | wols | at least for debian kernels |
| 14:09.34 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 14:09.36 | wols | iwkse: what are the erros? |
| 14:09.37 | dimsuz | Wyzard: the thing is that i'm trying to build that being in chroot :) |
| 14:09.38 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: Apparently so, though you can scp |
| 14:09.48 | solemnwarning | damn, ok |
| 14:09.53 | dimsuz | Wyzard: so uname -r returns wrong value ;) |
| 14:10.02 | jelly | dimsuz: duh. |
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| 14:10.16 | themill | iwkse: when you copied things, did you copy over /var/dpkg/status? |
| 14:10.23 | Wyzard | dimsuz: well, I don't mean that you can only build modules for the currently-running kernel |
| 14:10.32 | iwkse | themill: yes |
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| 14:10.43 | Wyzard | dimsuz: but each linux-headers package puts a "build" symlink in the appropriate directory in /lib/modules |
| 14:10.44 | dimsuz | Wyzard, jelly: that's because otherwise I wont' be able to nicely chat with you guys :) i'll have no network access |
| 14:10.46 | iwkse | themill: i didn't cp -prvf var /newdir |
| 14:10.51 | dimsuz | Wyzard: ok |
| 14:10.54 | iwkse | didn't /did |
| 14:11.07 | Wyzard | dimsuz: I believe that's standard across distributions these days |
| 14:11.35 | iwkse | wols: this now dpkg: failed to open package info file `/usr/var/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 14:11.37 | Wyzard | dimsuz: (VMware looks for a build symlink when building its modules, and only uses /usr/src/linux as a fallback if the build symlink doesn't exist) |
| 14:11.43 | dimsuz | Wyzard: seems like this driver is searching in wrong dirs. i'll make a symlink as jelly suggested |
| 14:11.51 | Wyzard | iwkse: /usr/var? |
| 14:11.54 | iwkse | wols: but i compiled dpkg from sources, i would like it points to /var/.../ instead |
| 14:11.58 | iwkse | Wyzard: yes, that's wrong |
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| 14:12.04 | iwkse | Wyzard: but isn't the problem |
| 14:12.14 | iwkse | Wyzard: i'll get the same in /var |
| 14:12.29 | wols | iwkse: then you haven't copied all. and status is essential since it specifies what is installed or not. reinstalling dpkg won't help you if you even can do it |
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| 14:13.00 | iwkse | wols: ok, i'll check to the old drive about the status dir |
| 14:13.17 | dimsuz | Wyzard, jelly, themill: built it! :) thanks for being with me, guys, I'm off for reboot :) |
| 14:13.28 | themill | dimsuz: good luck ;) |
| 14:13.35 | wols | iwkse: I didn't see the /usr/var. you need to fix that but I dunno why |
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| 14:13.38 | dimsuz | thnx :) |
| 14:13.40 | wols | or rather how |
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| 14:14.04 | iwkse | wols: i need to fix that too, but i don't see how from sources. i added --with-admindir=/var |
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| 14:14.07 | iwkse | but wont works |
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| 14:14.40 | wols | iwkse: --with-admindir=/ perhaps? |
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| 14:14.48 | DudeMan | I did a netinstall, and have the 2.6.18-5 kernel. when I go to do apt-get upgrade it wants to install this again. last time i did this think i broke something. any suggestions? |
| 14:14.54 | iwkse | wols: ;) |
| 14:15.40 | Wyzard | DudeMan: It's not that it wants to install it again, it's that it wants to install a new version because the package has been updated |
| 14:16.00 | iwkse | wols: i still get /usr/var |
| 14:16.09 | themill | DudeMan: can you pastebin apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 14:16.22 | iwkse | --prefix=/ too? |
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| 14:16.34 | jelly | what* |
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| 14:16.51 | themill | jelly: been wondering that all along... |
| 14:16.56 | jelly | ?toomanytypos |
| 14:17.24 | iwkse | i wonder too, so it's ok |
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| 14:17.33 | dfdf | Do we need to student to get a book from prentice hall? these books are reserved for student or available for everybody |
| 14:17.35 | DudeMan | wyzard themill: can i install it? or do i need to do something? |
| 14:17.36 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like the kernel update was an important one... local root hole on amd64, apparently |
| 14:17.44 | jelly | iwkse: do you have _anything_ in /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 14:17.51 | iwkse | jelly: no |
| 14:18.01 | themill | dfdf: wtf? |
| 14:18.04 | jelly | iwkse: did you copy it at all? |
| 14:18.07 | Wyzard | DudeMan: Why wouldn't you be able to install it? |
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| 14:18.17 | iwkse | jelly: i did copy the whole /var |
| 14:18.24 | iwkse | jelly: but i'm going to check to the old drive |
| 14:18.28 | jelly | iwkse: next question. do you have anything in /var/lib/dpkg? :-) |
| 14:18.44 | iwkse | jelly: i think not:) but i'll be sure in a moment |
| 14:18.58 | DudeMan | I guess i dont understand why it wants to upgrade it when i have it? |
| 14:19.04 | iwkse | jelly: just lock |
| 14:19.30 | Wyzard | DudeMan: because the version you have isn't the latest version... that's what "upgrade" means |
| 14:19.56 | jelly | iwkse: your migration procedure sucks. |
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| 14:20.03 | iwkse | jelly: seems so |
| 14:20.17 | jelly | cp -a is easy to do and mostly correct :-) |
| 14:20.18 | themill | DudeMan: did you look at the output of that apt-cache command? |
| 14:20.35 | iwkse | jelly: i did cp -rpfv |
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| 14:20.57 | jelly | iwkse: yes. see the above cp -a comment. :-) |
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| 14:21.26 | iwkse | jelly: yap, could look at man... |
| 14:21.32 | DudeMan | themill: put it in pastebin <dot> com? |
| 14:21.42 | hark | DudeMan: it's a security update, install it |
| 14:22.05 | themill | DudeMan: you need to install it, I just want you to look at the output of that command to understand what's going on. |
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| 14:22.14 | dfdf | themill |
| 14:22.18 | dfdf | Do we need to student to get a book from prentice hall? these books are reserved for student or available for everybody |
| 14:22.25 | themill | !fish |
| 14:22.25 | dpkg | i guess fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 14:22.29 | dfdf | to be a student* |
| 14:22.30 | themill | DudeMan: ^^ |
| 14:22.36 | Wyzard | dfdf: This channel has nothing to do with books from Prentice-Hall |
| 14:22.42 | Wyzard | dfdf: Your question doesn't make any sense here |
| 14:22.46 | iwkse | jelly: anyway nothing is lost, i can repeat it:) |
| 14:22.58 | iwkse | jelly: i didn't throw the old hd from the window yet |
| 14:23.07 | dfdf | Wyzard any channel about book? |
| 14:23.08 | DudeMan | themill: http://pastebin.com/d1607cf95 |
| 14:23.13 | Wyzard | dfdf: no idea |
| 14:23.17 | jelly | iwkse: you'll need /var/lib/dpkg to have a working Debian system :-) Good thing is dpkg won't touch anything it it's not there. Bad thing is you don't know what else is missing :-) |
| 14:23.24 | Wyzard | dfdf: You could call the publisher and ask them directly, though |
| 14:23.25 | dfdf | themill why you said wtf |
| 14:23.49 | iwkse | jelly: yes, thansk |
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| 14:24.11 | iwkse | plugging the old-tank |
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| 14:25.19 | themill | dfdf: I was hoping you'd make better sense the second time around or at least realise you were in the wrong channel... |
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| 14:26.18 | ksdncv | Hello, have just installed new sata hd for replacement of the old ide one, to migrate all the contents from one hd to the other, the problem is haven't found yet any documentation that clarifies enough how to do the migration, the problems have so far: 1) cp -xa would be corrent to copy / to the new root partition? kernel 2.6 having mounted udev, tmpfs, sysfs. 2) to make grub work, only needs update /boot/grub/device.map to point to s |
| 14:26.23 | themill | DudeMan: that's nice... that's what we all expected... how I want you to tell me what it means and why you need to install that security update ;) |
| 14:27.13 | Wyzard | DudeMan: The "/var/lib/dpkg/status" line represents the version you currently have installed |
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| 14:30.34 | ksdncv | and edit /etc/fstab forgot to mention before |
| 14:30.36 | kritzstapf | hm, do i have to pay attention to something when i update my vserver from sarge to etch or just change the sources.list and dist-upgrade? |
| 14:30.55 | Wyzard | kritzstapf: Read the release notes on debian.org |
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| 14:32.17 | themill | !tell kritzstapf about sarge->etch |
| 14:32.24 | iwkse | jelly: i did something wrong, since i don't see /var/lib/dpkg. Can i recover it with /var/backups? |
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| 14:32.55 | themill | kritzstapf: it's a log more complicated than just a dist-upgrade. Read the release notes very carefully and follow the steps. |
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| 14:33.55 | Shrike|work | Howdy. Does anyone here have some experience with compiling FreeTDS 0.64? |
| 14:34.02 | ma3x | can anyone help me find out what's wrong? I am trying to run this .jar file -> http://paste.debian.net/38270 |
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| 14:34.30 | themill | ma3x: you probably need sun java not some other java |
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| 14:34.48 | ma3x | themill, I have java (included in the debian packages) |
| 14:34.49 | jelly | iwkse: /var/backups/dpkg.status.* are backups of /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:34.51 | ma3x | is that not sun java? |
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| 14:35.12 | Wyzard | ma3x: It's probably GNU Java (gij) |
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| 14:35.20 | iwkse | jelly: oki |
| 14:35.22 | Wyzard | ma3x: Sun Java packages are in non-free |
| 14:35.27 | themill | ma3x: java -version |
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| 14:35.31 | Wyzard | ma3x: apt-cache search sun-java |
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| 14:35.49 | ma3x | themill, java version "1.5.0_10" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_10-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_10-b03, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 14:35.56 | Wyzard | hmm, that is indeed Sun Java |
| 14:36.16 | ma3x | yeah |
| 14:36.19 | themill | hmmm.... |
| 14:36.20 | Wyzard | Maybe the class in the .jar file requires Java 6 rather than Java 5? |
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| 14:36.34 | themill | possible |
| 14:36.37 | Wyzard | though I don't think there's much difference compatibility-wise |
| 14:36.39 | jelly | iwkse: if that's all you have, you lose some finer points like /var/lib/dpkg/{diversions,statoverride} |
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| 14:36.46 | Wyzard | Java 6 was mainly a performance release IIRC |
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| 14:36.52 | ma3x | yeah it says it requires java 6 |
| 14:36.57 | themill | there are -5 and -6 options |
| 14:36.57 | rmaj | my X session crashed horribly |
| 14:36.59 | ma3x | how do I get it? |
| 14:36.59 | rmaj | should I report a bug? and on which component exacly? I have X logs |
| 14:37.00 | masus | can anybody help me to solve this problem --> http://pastebin.ca/718515 what i do is "Linux advanced Routing |
| 14:37.00 | masus | " |
| 14:37.14 | Wyzard | ma3x: Java 6 is in testing/unstable, but not in etch |
| 14:37.16 | themill | ma3x: it's in backprots.org |
| 14:37.25 | masus | can anybody help me to solve this problem --> http://pastebin.ca/718515 what i do is "Linux advanced Routing" the clients working fine but the server self not |
| 14:37.27 | ma3x | ok, I'll get it from there |
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| 14:38.24 | Wyzard | masus: Rather than writing iptables rules by hand, use a package such as ipmasq or firehol |
| 14:38.54 | masus | no don't want use |
| 14:39.11 | ma3x | Wyzard, which package should I get from backports? |
| 14:39.22 | ma3x | sun-java6-bin? |
| 14:39.25 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 14:39.55 | ka-ching | hi |
| 14:40.09 | iwkse | jelly: i see. What tool can i use to populate the status folder giving the aptitude.dpkgstates.0 ? |
| 14:40.12 | ma3x | is this the way of installing it? (compiling) ->http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 14:40.35 | Hoxzer | >:/ SOmetimes I wonder how can somebody write pure binary |
| 14:40.40 | ka-ching | im stuck in a dist-upgrade |
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| 14:41.33 | proog | i'm running a small server and i want to have the proftpd server listening on port 21 and 110. how can i do that? |
| 14:41.59 | themill | ma3x: no, just add "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" to your sources.list and aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
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| 14:42.15 | ma3x | thanks a lot man |
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| 14:42.50 | ka-ching | apt wants to upgrade to libc6 but complains that it needs a 2.6 kernel , but when installing a 2.6 kernel apt complains that i need to run 'apt-get -f install' which tries to install libc6 |
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| 14:43.21 | FastPutty | anywheer i can geta how to for tc , qos and traffic shaping under debian |
| 14:43.27 | wols | ka-ching: dpkg -i a libc6 from etch |
| 14:43.35 | wols | !lartc |
| 14:43.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 14:43.40 | FastPutty | thanks |
| 14:43.43 | iwkse | jelly: ah found it on debian docs |
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| 14:44.10 | blackbart | Does anyone know of a package which can extract Stuffit files? |
| 14:44.40 | wols | blackbart: http://www.google.de/search?q=linux+stuffit+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 14:44.42 | iwkse | jelly: do not uses backups but get packages from /usr/share/doc |
| 14:45.06 | themill | ka-ching: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 14:45.12 | ka-ching | yeah then its complains i need to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel first |
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| 14:45.31 | ka-ching | im running sarge |
| 14:45.49 | themill | ka-ching: and what is in your sources.list (pastebin them please) |
| 14:46.07 | proog | how can I have the proftpd server listen on ports 21 and 110? |
| 14:46.24 | ka-ching | im in console so i wont use the web |
| 14:46.40 | themill | ka-ching: ok... do they say sarge or stable in them? |
| 14:47.17 | ka-ching | its says stable but i changed it to unstable |
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| 14:47.56 | ka-ching | so the original install was rev 3.0 woody |
| 14:48.13 | themill | ka-ching: well.. there's the source of your problems. |
| 14:48.14 | Wyzard | ka-ching: You're trying to upgrade from woody directly to sid? |
| 14:48.15 | ka-ching | ah no woody 3 rev 2 |
| 14:48.24 | ka-ching | yes |
| 14:48.33 | ka-ching | from woody to unstable |
| 14:48.34 | themill | ka-ching: you can't skip debian versions |
| 14:48.35 | Wyzard | ka-ching: that's not supported, and it's not at all surprising that it doesn't work |
| 14:48.41 | ka-ching | ah |
| 14:48.46 | themill | !tell ka-ching about woody->sarge |
| 14:48.51 | Wyzard | ka-ching: You'd have to upgrade from woody to sarge, then from sarge to etch, then from etch to sid |
| 14:48.55 | themill | !tell ka-ching about sarge->etch |
| 14:49.00 | themill | !tell ka-ching about etch->lenny |
| 14:49.05 | ka-ching | aha |
| 14:49.11 | themill | ka-ching: mate, you've got some work ahead of you.... |
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| 14:49.40 | Wyzard | ka-ching: Unfortunately, your system is in a partially-upgraded inconsistent state now that's completely unsupported |
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| 14:50.09 | themill | Wyzard: I'd be surprised if anything was actually upgraded though |
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| 14:50.29 | Wyzard | Well, at least the new libc6 has apparently been unpacked but not configured yet |
| 14:51.03 | themill | it has? I thought it was complaining that deps couldn't be met.... that's bad |
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| 14:51.28 | \amethyst | where do you see the invalid chars, anyway? |
| 14:51.29 | \amethyst | doh |
| 14:51.40 | themill | \amethyst: wrong channel :) |
| 14:51.49 | Wyzard | If it's saying to run "apt-get -f install", there are packages in an inconsistent state |
| 14:51.59 | themill | yep... that's bad |
| 14:52.24 | themill | ka-ching: it might be easiest for you to do a fresh install anyway... especially now... |
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| 14:53.28 | ka-ching | so ok now i get the same error distupgrading from etch to sid |
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| 14:53.41 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 14:53.47 | ka-ching | the others distupgrades went without problems |
| 14:53.47 | Wyzard | ka-ching: How can you be upgrading from etch to sid if you aren't running etch yet? |
| 14:54.01 | Wyzard | ka-ching: There's no way you just upgraded from woody to etch in five minutes |
| 14:54.03 | DukeDrake | what's "multicast" at tftpd? |
| 14:54.05 | ka-ching | im fast i suppose Wyzard |
| 14:54.16 | DukeDrake | (atftpd) |
| 14:54.21 | Wyzard | ka-ching: More likely, you did something wrong |
| 14:54.33 | Wyzard | ka-ching: Upgrades take longer than five minutes |
| 14:54.41 | ka-ching | not from a base install |
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| 14:54.53 | hark | reading the release notes at least |
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| 14:55.13 | themill | ka-ching: reading the release notes takes a lot longer than 5 min. And they're sort of important... |
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| 14:55.25 | Wyzard | ka-ching: If all you have is a base install, why not just do a clean install of etch to use as a starting point? |
| 14:55.40 | themill | ka-ching: and there would be at least 2 probably 3 reboots in there too. |
| 14:56.13 | hark | woody to sid in 5 minutes, heh :) |
| 14:56.20 | AVRS | I've filed my Minefield+pango-graphite problem here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397860 |
| 14:56.29 | ka-ching | ok i better reinstall |
| 14:56.31 | ka-ching | tnks |
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| 14:56.40 | AVRS | Wyzard: |
| 14:56.42 | Nyle | hark: fat pipe? |
| 14:56.52 | Nyle | hark: suckin the packages down real fast? |
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| 14:57.24 | Wyzard | Nyle: There's a lot more to upgrading than downloading packages |
| 14:57.41 | Wyzard | Nyle: including reboots due to kernel upgrades, as themill mentioned |
| 14:57.43 | smoor | hi.friends |
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| 14:58.05 | Nyle | of course |
| 14:58.07 | themill | especially when you consider the age of the machine if it has woody on it... it's not got fast hard disks and probably not much memory.... |
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| 14:58.44 | Nyle | themill: what is the minimum system requirement for debian? |
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| 14:58.58 | SpeedyG | hi, can anyone tell me what I can do about the following errors -> http://www.pastebin.ca/718573 |
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| 14:59.40 | SpeedyG | (and why the hell installing a php-module requires x11-common to be installed :| ) |
| 14:59.43 | themill | Nyle: no idea.. pretty small... but things like aptitude get slower and slower to parse their databases |
| 15:00.06 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: because it requires libx11 for some reason or other |
| 15:00.17 | themill | SpeedyG: the gd package (I think) ... it uses X font rendering libraries. |
| 15:00.24 | Nyle | themill: what about a 25mhz cpu |
| 15:00.31 | wols | SpeedyG: where did you get wmsm? |
| 15:00.44 | SpeedyG | wols: i've got no clue at all about what that is :| |
| 15:00.44 | themill | Nyle: I'm sure en1gma's tried... |
| 15:00.53 | widrone | Nyle: Small is depending on architecture sometimes... |
| 15:01.02 | Nyle | gameboy advance |
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| 15:01.10 | wols | SpeedyG: dpkg -l wmsm |
| 15:01.14 | Nyle | i think arm cpu |
| 15:01.16 | wols | SpeedyG: it's not in debian sid... |
| 15:01.17 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 15:01.23 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: The problem is your wmsm package, which is not part of Debian and is getting in the way of the xorg upgrade |
| 15:01.25 | wols | themill: heh |
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| 15:01.42 | Nyle | no but really, the 25mhz cpu is in the laptop from early 90s |
| 15:01.43 | Wyzard | wols: It's not in any release of Debian according to p.d.o |
| 15:02.01 | FastPutty | does HTB is installed by default in debian etch ? |
| 15:02.02 | widrone | Nyle: Its probably got pesky drm suckling within, but if you liberate it with some addon hw you can probably do it ;) |
| 15:02.22 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: what can I do about that ? |
| 15:02.29 | wols | Wyzard: as I already said |
| 15:02.30 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Uninstall wmsm, whatever that is |
| 15:02.31 | SpeedyG | since purging it doesnt help much |
| 15:02.35 | hark | SpeedyG: shouldn't you finish the upgrade to etch first? |
| 15:02.54 | DudeMan | themill: i'm not really sure what it means. i have 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13 and need 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch3? |
| 15:02.54 | SpeedyG | hark: it's allready finished |
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| 15:02.54 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Purging it doesn't help? |
| 15:02.57 | SpeedyG | at least, so I think |
| 15:02.59 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: nope :( |
| 15:03.10 | Nyle | widrone: i ask because there exist a windows only flash thingy for it where you can actually put a littl eos on it, which i windows based i think and it allowes you to use the 4gb usb flash cart as a game cart of disk to play video, or music, or read ebooks etc. |
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| 15:03.28 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Does it fail to purge? |
| 15:03.35 | Nyle | wow |
| 15:03.39 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: wmsm is a doc-app for windowmaker (or so it appears) which does make sense because I ran that on my box a long time ago |
| 15:03.39 | Nyle | fucking fuck |
| 15:03.45 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: no, it's removed |
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| 15:03.46 | Nyle | my grammar is horrible |
| 15:03.59 | SpeedyG | but it doesnt help for isntalling gd |
| 15:04.22 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: then you're certainly not getting that particular error message anymore, about a directory provided by that package |
| 15:04.36 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: if you're getting a different error message now, paste that |
| 15:04.45 | widrone | Nyle: Im guessing this is not about the hw at the links you posted, but some pre-y2k i386 model? |
| 15:04.50 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: error remains the same, only the wmsm part isnt there anymore |
| 15:05.06 | themill | DudeMan: yep, that's the one. And you can also see that it's from security.debian.org which is an extra hint that it's something you really want. More information on the changes will be available from security.debian.org |
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| 15:05.30 | themill | DudeMan: or install apt-listchanges and it will show you the changelog before installing |
| 15:05.31 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: the other errors are just unsatisfied dependencies, probably due to the large number of packages you have held back |
| 15:05.47 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: You should finish whatever upgrade you were doing |
| 15:05.48 | DudeMan | the mill: so its the same kernel version, but with a security update? |
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| 15:06.15 | harpal | in etch we have xorg.conf that contains the information but in sarge which file contains that? |
| 15:06.15 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: I wasnt doing any upgrade |
| 15:06.16 | widrone | Nyle: Diskwise I run a debiain etch off some 1gb flash stick. But you can fit terminal stuff in a 512mb and got some room to spare if you dont go overboard. |
| 15:06.23 | SpeedyG | but I guess the error is in the wm-packages |
| 15:06.40 | themill | harpal: XF86Config-4 |
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| 15:06.41 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: then why do you have all those held-back packages? |
| 15:06.51 | Nyle | widrone: im having a lot of trouble, personal trouble |
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| 15:06.55 | harpal | themill: thanx |
| 15:06.58 | hark | DudeMan: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1378 |
| 15:07.02 | DudeMan | themill: thanks. i like to kinda know what's going on =D i appreciate it! |
| 15:07.23 | themill | :) |
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| 15:07.35 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Those are all packages that have a newer version available which hasn't been installed yet |
| 15:07.38 | Nyle | widrone: basically within 1 week,I went from amd64 sid to windows xp to server 2003 to kubuntu, and I don't like any of these operating systems anymore, I am beginning to dislike computers in general right now |
| 15:07.42 | Nyle | :( |
| 15:07.55 | widrone | Nyle: But 25 is just really not that fast atall. Im betting there is people on the internets that tried some sillyness like that. ;) (Remember to love thyself and thine computer!) |
| 15:08.03 | Nyle | for the record, debian kicks ass |
| 15:08.10 | DustyDingo | does anyone know how i can place one window above all others (dock it) in fluxbox and bind this function to a key? |
| 15:08.11 | DudeMan | okie, on to the next problem with this new install. i get an info box saying "/dev/dsp cant be opened? |
| 15:08.18 | Nyle | goddamn computers, I hate em :( |
| 15:08.23 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: about half a year ago X gave me quite a lot of errors, i've removed X, all nvidia stuff, and am running commandline ever since.. but somehow there's quite some leftovers of X and its wm in the system |
| 15:08.27 | DustyDingo | i tried the following in my keys file: "Mod4 d :Raise" |
| 15:08.30 | SpeedyG | obviously I never removed all of it :( |
| 15:08.31 | DustyDingo | but no effect |
| 15:08.45 | wols | DudeMan: OSS alsa drivers loaded? are you in audio group? |
| 15:08.46 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: held back is not the same as unused but installed |
| 15:08.53 | widrone | Nyle: I may be diverging from the core (debian) topic here, but you probably have reasons for the dislike. Debian you can form as you go if thats what you want. |
| 15:08.56 | Nyle | hey |
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| 15:09.02 | Nyle | who |
| 15:09.08 | Nyle | but what the hell |
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| 15:09.30 | Nyle | no I mean dudeman is my nickname |
| 15:09.36 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: At any rate, in the error you pasted, libxdmcp6 and libxau6 couldn't be installed because x11-common couldn't be installed, and the only reason x11-common couldn't be installed was because of wmsm |
| 15:09.49 | Nyle | get off my nickname |
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| 15:10.03 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: if you've removed wmsm, x11-common should be installing successfully now, and shouldn't be preventing libxdmcp6 and libxau6 from installing anymore |
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| 15:10.13 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: after removing wmsm, ther was wmmisc and some other wm-stuff |
| 15:10.15 | DudeMan | wols: sorry to say I dont know about the OSS alsa drivers, but i can check if i'm in the audio group. |
| 15:10.17 | SpeedyG | now its aaa-base |
| 15:10.17 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: so if you're getting a different error message now, you should paste it |
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| 15:10.57 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Lots of packages providing /usr/X11R6/bin? |
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| 15:11.37 | Nyle | widrone: no that was a rhetorical statement, I'm just kinda sick of computers in general right now. I've always liked debian and that opinion won't change. A good product is a good product, regarless. |
| 15:11.43 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Those conflicts are related to the upgrade from xorg 6.x to 7.x |
| 15:11.50 | Nyle | its a quality distro |
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| 15:11.57 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: and xorg 7.x is in etch, so if you still have 6.x stuff around, you haven't fully upgraded to etch |
| 15:12.09 | Nyle | DudeMan: hey you are using my nickname |
| 15:12.12 | Nyle | DudeMan: cut that out |
| 15:12.34 | wols | Nyle: ALL software sucks. debian is software |
| 15:12.39 | Nyle | not all |
| 15:12.45 | nightfreak | is debian64 recommended for a webserver running LAMP? |
| 15:13.04 | wols | nightfreak: yes |
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| 15:13.20 | wols | as long as you stay away from non-free proprietary closed source shit, amd64 is fine |
| 15:13.32 | Nyle | wols: why? |
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| 15:13.44 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: I guess I should reinstall the entire box somewhere in the near future |
| 15:13.50 | harpal | themill: I have roller mouse but that roller is not working in my linux. what should I change? |
| 15:13.50 | wols | cause lots of that shit won't work on amd64 |
| 15:13.51 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: it's a huge mess |
| 15:13.57 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: yeah, sounds like it |
| 15:13.58 | wols | the problem is almost always closed source shit with it |
| 15:14.04 | Nyle | fglrx is needed for me to display video or i can use vesa, and i don't want to use vesa, unfortunately no other drivers support my hw |
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| 15:14.12 | widrone | Nyle: Some just suck less... |
| 15:14.14 | russo | hey guys |
| 15:14.19 | Wyzard | wols: The only things I've encountered that don't work on amd64 are Flash, Java plugin, and Google Earth |
| 15:14.19 | russo | i could use some help |
| 15:14.20 | Nyle | widrone: some don't suck at all |
| 15:14.32 | russo | php isn't working for whatever reason :( |
| 15:14.41 | russo | i don't know what i should do to reinstall it |
| 15:14.44 | wols | !tell russo about doesn't work |
| 15:14.46 | themill | harpal: please ask the channel not specific people. Pls also say if you're using sarge.. it's important |
| 15:15.05 | harpal | themill: ok |
| 15:15.24 | russo | wols: i ran a test php page and when i test it it just offeres to save it as if it were some other type of file |
| 15:15.28 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: When you do, use aptitude for all your package installations, so it flags dependencies as having been installed automatically and will remove them when they're not needed anymore |
| 15:15.30 | russo | so its not generated a webpage |
| 15:15.37 | russo | but only offering to download the file |
| 15:15.41 | russo | for all php files |
| 15:15.47 | themill | !php still wants me to download |
| 15:15.52 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: That way if you remove something big with lots of dependencies, like X, you don't get all the individual dependency packages sitting around still installed |
| 15:15.56 | wols | russo: dpkg -l |grep php. paste the output in a pastebin |
| 15:15.58 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 15:15.58 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 15:16.00 | hark | russo: it used to work before? |
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| 15:16.03 | Nyle | kik' |
| 15:16.05 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:16.14 | Nyle | haha burned by the bot eh themill ;) |
| 15:16.17 | themill | !php wants me to download still |
| 15:16.18 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 15:16.22 | Ronin | russo: you lookon google for that? iirc its a farily common one |
| 15:16.31 | themill | russo: ^^ |
| 15:16.32 | russo | i had someproblems with apache last week :P so i reinstalled that |
| 15:16.39 | russo | before that it worked :( |
| 15:16.42 | russo | stupid problems |
| 15:16.50 | shamrock | Could anyone comment on the potential for delivery of 64 bits flash, java plugins and skype? These not working properly mean an almost certain move back to i386 installations for me. |
| 15:17.07 | Nyle | shamrock: or run a 32bit chroot |
| 15:17.09 | themill | russo: are the files that it sends you empty or are the the php code |
| 15:17.12 | Nyle | !amd74 |
| 15:17.14 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 15:17.14 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 15:17.21 | shamrock | Nyle: better in theory than practice. |
| 15:17.21 | Nyle | read the howto |
| 15:17.22 | Wyzard | shamrock: They do not exist yet; complain to the companies that produce them |
| 15:17.23 | hark | russo: answer wols |
| 15:17.29 | Nyle | shamrock: no, better all around |
| 15:17.43 | shamrock | Wyzard: get a grip. I am not complaining. I am asking if anyone here know anything. |
| 15:17.43 | Nyle | shamrock: i didn't have any trouble setting it up or using it |
| 15:17.57 | shamrock | Nyle: so how do you use java plugins? |
| 15:18.00 | Nyle | shamrock: your not complaining now |
| 15:18.02 | Nyle | but you should complain |
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| 15:18.04 | Nyle | to the companies |
| 15:18.05 | Nyle | like he said |
| 15:18.07 | russo | wait heres a good question :P |
| 15:18.13 | slidesinger | I'm having the strangest install issue. Etch keeps detecting a firewire ethernet card that is not present and does not detect my rtl8139 ethernet card. |
| 15:18.15 | russo | phpMyAdmin uses php right? |
| 15:18.19 | russo | cuz that works |
| 15:18.20 | Nyle | don't get defensive, you want 64bit version of your software, complain tot he people who make it |
| 15:18.23 | Nyle | anyway |
| 15:18.27 | shamrock | Nyle: I am asking a question. Not debating tactics. |
| 15:18.34 | russo | if its permissions i want to kill myself because i think i've tried everything |
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| 15:18.38 | Wyzard | shamrock: Java will probably get a 64-bit plugin as part of OpenJDK, since there's a lot of community interest in having one |
| 15:18.43 | russo | oh wait maybe i should check the permissions in phpmyadmin |
| 15:18.48 | wols | russo: what are the file extension of the ones that don't work? |
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| 15:18.52 | shamrock | Wyzard: any idea of time line? |
| 15:18.55 | Wyzard | shamrock: but that isn't ready for use yet -- developers are still working on replacing the parts that Sun couldn't release as open-source |
| 15:18.56 | Nyle | shamrock: run a 32bit firefox |
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| 15:19.12 | Wyzard | shamrock: You can find info about OpenJDK development and status on the web |
| 15:19.13 | shamrock | Nyle: which howto did you follow to do that? |
| 15:19.14 | hark | slidesinger: ifconfig -a shows it? |
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| 15:19.19 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 15:19.19 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 15:19.20 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: http://www.pastebin.ca/718586 |
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| 15:19.26 | Nyle | shamrock: ^^ |
| 15:19.30 | russo | http://pastebin.ca/718588 |
| 15:19.37 | shamrock | aha. Ok. Thanks. |
| 15:19.37 | russo | theres mine |
| 15:19.42 | Wyzard | shamrock: As for Flash, sometime last year Adobe open-sourced their script engine and donated it to the Mozilla Foundation, so there's probably ongoing work on porting that to 64-bit |
| 15:19.51 | Wyzard | shamrock: no idea about the status about any other parts of Flash |
| 15:20.05 | Nyle | flash is a disease |
| 15:20.10 | Nyle | is that how you spell disease? |
| 15:20.12 | shamrock | But can anyone else here confirm that I should be able to chroot a 32 bit browser and it will all just work? |
| 15:20.14 | Nyle | whatever |
| 15:20.21 | russo | i don't have apache running |
| 15:20.23 | Nyle | shamrock: YES ffs |
| 15:20.24 | russo | maybe thats the problme |
| 15:20.33 | shamrock | I said "else " ffs. |
| 15:20.50 | shamrock | Nyle: what about packages and synaptic? |
| 15:20.55 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Looks like your php5-common package is an unofficial one from dotdeb.org, rather than the (newer) version in Debian |
| 15:21.02 | Nyle | shamrock: please ask someone 'else' |
| 15:21.09 | russo | hmm |
| 15:21.09 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: also, it still keeps packages back: http://www.pastebin.ca/718590 |
| 15:21.16 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: what can I do about that ? |
| 15:21.22 | russo | wols: http://pastebin.ca/718588 <- you saw that, right mate? |
| 15:21.30 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: dotdeb stuff is apparently all for sarge, which means it's completely superseded by etch |
| 15:21.41 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: dist-upgrade |
| 15:21.56 | wols | russo: looks alright. I already asked you another question |
| 15:22.04 | wols | and if you don't have apache2 running: DUH! |
| 15:22.06 | shamrock | Nyle: you should consider why you are here. I am asking perfectly polite and reasonable questions. I have already been bitten by listening to opinionated arses like you and have ended up with a suite of machines which do not "just work. |
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| 15:22.17 | wols | SpeedyG: dotdeb is also very buggy |
| 15:22.21 | russo | wols: they're php files |
| 15:22.21 | wols | !dotdeb |
| 15:22.22 | dpkg | hmm... dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 15:22.29 | wols | russo: what extension? |
| 15:22.31 | russo | wols: so .php |
| 15:22.37 | wols | then it should work fine |
| 15:22.48 | russo | well it still not working :D |
| 15:22.58 | russo | i mean in firefox it offeres to save the file |
| 15:23.03 | themill | russo: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 15:23.04 | russo | what should the permissions be in /var/www |
| 15:23.08 | russo | apache2 |
| 15:23.50 | themill | russo: you said that phpmyadmin was working, but you didn't have apache running..... is there something that I missed? |
| 15:23.50 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: it still keeps jabbing about x11-common :( |
| 15:24.01 | wols | drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 1840 2007-09-08 17:36 . |
| 15:24.06 | russo | i'm running apache2 only |
| 15:24.13 | russo | or does phpmyadmin run on apache? |
| 15:24.18 | wols | it does |
| 15:24.20 | themill | yes, it does |
| 15:24.39 | russo | i mean this is where the problems began i had both apache and apache2 before |
| 15:24.46 | russo | so i reinstalled both... sort of |
| 15:24.52 | russo | i purged them |
| 15:24.52 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: That's because of the xorg7 upgrade... /usr/X11R6/bin used to be a directory, and now it's a symlink provided by x11-common, but that symlink can't be created while there are other packages still providing that name as a directory |
| 15:24.54 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: hm, aaa-base seemed to be the last package that was blocking the x11-common way |
| 15:24.55 | russo | and reinstalled |
| 15:25.03 | russo | reinstalled apache2 |
| 15:25.03 | russo | * |
| 15:25.07 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Uninstall any packages that are providing the /usr/X11R6/bin directory |
| 15:25.29 | themill | russo: so you only have apache2 installed now? and it's running? and phpmyadmin works? |
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| 15:26.35 | FastPutty | someone coudl tell me if HTB is installed with etch or i need to download the package and install it mysel |
| 15:26.40 | russo | yes, I have apache2 only... its running and has no problems with html or listing, and phpmyadmin works |
| 15:26.49 | nightfreak | i'm trying to upgrade from sarge to etch, but apt does not find etch packages. i simply replaced sarge with etch in my sources.list, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/38273 |
| 15:27.02 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: yeah, I just did |
| 15:27.10 | russo | but everytime i try to run something that uses .php to run i.e. index.php for torrentflux... it offeres to save the file to disk |
| 15:27.11 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: I guess I made a wrong assumption |
| 15:27.20 | Wyzard | nightfreak: You have to tell it to actually download the new package lists after changing your sources.list... aptitude update (or apt-get update) |
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| 15:27.35 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: during the upgrade from sarge->etch, updating went wrong, and almost caused the machine not to come back up again.. |
| 15:27.47 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: after it finally was running again, I must've thought the upgrade was complete |
| 15:27.51 | wols | russo: phpmyadmin uses php, so php works. QeD |
| 15:27.55 | themill | russo: phpmyadmin working means that php is working. |
| 15:28.02 | nightfreak | Wyzard: i get the error with apt-get update |
| 15:28.03 | russo | yeah thats what i was thinking |
| 15:28.06 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: because /etc/issue was stating it was debian 4.0 |
| 15:28.09 | russo | so it is permissions |
| 15:28.18 | themill | russo: the problem is with the individual files.... not permissions |
| 15:28.24 | wols | russo: no it's not |
| 15:28.29 | russo | hmm |
| 15:28.32 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: That just tells you that the base-files package (which provides /etc/issue) is up-to-date :-) |
| 15:28.33 | wols | if anything it'S a apache2 directive |
| 15:28.33 | nightfreak | Wyzard: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian-amd64_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:28.39 | themill | russo: can you create a test.php with just this in it and pastebin the output: <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 15:28.50 | hoxu | nightfreak, do you get that when you run it second time? |
| 15:28.55 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: I guess I've just learned that valuable lesson :) |
| 15:28.58 | russo | one sec |
| 15:29.02 | Wyzard | nightfreak: That's a message you'd get while trying to install packages without doing an update, not while trying to do an update |
| 15:29.08 | russo | i made a test.php and it didn't work |
| 15:29.13 | russo | but maybe i didn't see an error |
| 15:29.13 | russo | :D |
| 15:29.37 | themill | russo: is the file empty or is it the php source when iceweasel asks you to save the file |
| 15:29.37 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: then to think that all these problems started with this site: http://www.evolt.org/article/Abstract_PHP_s_database_code_with_PEAR_DB/17/21927/index.html ;) |
| 15:29.37 | hoxu | nightfreak, if you got that from apt-get update after changing sources.list, try running it again, you shouldn't see it anymore |
| 15:29.39 | DawnLight | the IPv6 over IPv4 thingy takes an unacceptable amount of time to load at boot. help? |
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| 15:29.56 | russo | again, themill, it says offering to save the file |
| 15:30.04 | hoxu | DawnLight, thingy? |
| 15:30.05 | nightfreak | hoxu: i ran it multiple times |
| 15:30.05 | sine | ok |
| 15:30.07 | themill | russo: yes, but what's in the file????? |
| 15:30.13 | DawnLight | hoxu: driver |
| 15:30.17 | russo | wait |
| 15:30.19 | russo | sorry |
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| 15:30.26 | widrone | DawnLight: My immediate reaction was "dns" (waiting for timeouts), but I may be in total error. |
| 15:30.37 | russo | themill: test.php |
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| 15:30.48 | hoxu | nightfreak, you ran "apt-get update" several times and still got that? Any other errors? |
| 15:30.49 | russo | so firefox isn't opening it but rahter saving it |
| 15:30.53 | widrone | DawnLight: Any logs or special configs you got there? |
| 15:31.01 | themill | russo: it has that phpinfo() command in it? |
| 15:31.04 | nightfreak | hoxu: Err http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 15:31.04 | nightfreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.10 | Pig_Pen | whats the dpkg command to get that list of apt servers? |
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| 15:31.19 | nightfreak | maybe i just need another source |
| 15:31.27 | themill | !tell Pig_Pen about mirrors |
| 15:31.27 | russo | all the file has is: <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 15:31.31 | russo | and it doesn't open in firefox |
| 15:31.40 | themill | russo: ok. what's the URL that you went to? |
| 15:31.47 | sine | for some unknown reason after installing xp without a lan cable in, it cant detect my network. im thinking of getting the system drivers. cant i mount the ntfs partition from within debian and save the files on there for xp ? |
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| 15:32.12 | hark | nightfreak: try another mirror |
| 15:32.20 | DawnLight | widrone: just pretty normal household network settings behind a wireless ap |
| 15:32.23 | russo | just the ip of the server |
| 15:32.31 | russo | so http://192.xxx.xxx.xxx/test.php |
| 15:32.32 | nightfreak | hark: please point me to a list of mirrors |
| 15:32.34 | hoxu | nightfreak, you could try ftp.fi.debian.org unless you find one nearer :p |
| 15:32.37 | russo | and its in var/www/test.php |
| 15:33.02 | DawnLight | widrone: as to logs, i wouldn't know where to find them |
| 15:33.04 | russo | and again firefox pops up and says opening test.php |
| 15:33.08 | hark | nightfreak: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:33.35 | hoxu | DawnLight, unless I missed some of your lines earlier, you need to elaborate a bit on what the actual problems is :p |
| 15:33.56 | Pig_Pen | cool! thanks! themill :) |
| 15:34.15 | russo | -rw-r--r-- <- whats this chmod |
| 15:34.25 | hoxu | russo, 644? :p |
| 15:34.35 | russo | i suck at those :P don't yell at me |
| 15:34.35 | themill | russo: ok... it's find for a php file |
| 15:34.38 | russo | i'll start to cry |
| 15:34.48 | widrone | DawnLight: That be the "sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4" thingy? Do you get an ipv6 ip atall or just an ipv4? And who runs the dns (if you use that), or is this static settings? |
| 15:34.53 | russo | mine are drwxr-xr-x at the moment |
| 15:35.35 | russo | well it didn't change anything |
| 15:35.37 | russo | goddamn it |
| 15:35.46 | widrone | DawnLight: Sorry to bug and prod like this, I know wery little about the spesific ipv6 startup. But troubleshooting you config ettings / network topology may uncover where the trouble is. |
| 15:35.51 | nightfreak | hark: same problem with other mirrors |
| 15:36.19 | widrone | DawnLight: /var/log/ may be a good place to start atleast, or "dmesg". |
| 15:36.50 | Greyscale | OK people |
| 15:36.52 | DawnLight | hoxu/widrone: the ipv6 over ipv4 driver takes a too long time to load at boot. i don't know what sit0... is. i don't know if i'm getting an ipv6 address. i've configured it to dhcp the wireless ap. |
| 15:36.54 | Greyscale | Testing or stable? |
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| 15:37.25 | widrone | DawnLight: And there is always the dreadded "man ipv6", you running stable? |
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| 15:38.19 | hoxu | Greyscale, depends on your need |
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| 15:38.42 | widrone | DawnLight: Accualy that manpage is not really a good candidate for me telling you to rtfm ;) |
| 15:38.49 | Greyscale | hoxu, as a laptop that mostly pootles around doing a bit of browsing |
| 15:38.55 | DawnLight | hoxu/widrone: am running stable. will check logs... |
| 15:38.57 | Greyscale | and needs low power consumption |
| 15:38.57 | FastPutty | ok question like this, i make a routed vpn with openvpn, and i have tun0, but when itried to look at the traffic with iptraf on the tun0 it doesnt work |
| 15:39.01 | FastPutty | someone could help me |
| 15:39.29 | nightfreak | can anyone running amd64 please post a working sources.list |
| 15:39.37 | hoxu | nightfreak, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ <-- does that "debian-amd64" go there? |
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| 15:40.43 | hoxu | Greyscale, I'd say go for stable, possibly with backports, if you need newer software later you can upgrade to testing |
| 15:40.51 | nightfreak | hoxu: yes |
| 15:41.30 | widrone | DawnLight: http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/index.html <- some more debian related stuff, looks interesting to me. But its more to do with all the tunneling stuff, you may want to explore tsome of the links maybe. |
| 15:41.43 | nightfreak | hoxu: this is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/38276 |
| 15:42.00 | xand | Greyscale: well... testing's kernel has a lot of acpi/power saving stuff that doesn't work in etch's kernel, at least on my laptop |
| 15:42.01 | russo | this is really making me mad |
| 15:42.09 | russo | i've been fiddeling with this for a while now |
| 15:42.17 | russo | and i still don't know what it could be |
| 15:42.30 | DukeDrake | Hi. I set up a tftp server (atftpd) and am tryign to make a client connect, but I keep getting a "address resolution failed" error. Anyone can help me out here? |
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| 15:42.43 | blq | hi |
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| 15:42.54 | Pig_Pen | does debian's apt have a way to exclude certain packages, i just built a custom 2.6.22.9 kernel and it runs great in debian testing, and i dont want any kernel updates to mess it up |
| 15:43.01 | Greyscale | xand, thats more than enough reason for me to upgrade then :P |
| 15:43.17 | sine | is it easy to make a small fat32 partition from unpartitioned space from within debian |
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| 15:43.28 | Greyscale | xand, like powertop? |
| 15:43.45 | hark | Pig_Pen: remove the linux-image metapackage |
| 15:43.50 | xand | umm, not sure about that... certain kernel modules and frequency scaling |
| 15:44.08 | Pig_Pen | ok |
| 15:44.09 | dotCOMmie | does anyone know if there is some NFS irc channel? |
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| 15:45.16 | FastPutty | ois there a way i can get statistic of tun0 ? |
| 15:45.43 | sine | is it easy to make a small fat32 partition from unpartitioned space from within debian |
| 15:45.55 | Nyle | sine: yes |
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| 15:46.04 | sine | how do i do that then Nyle |
| 15:46.08 | sine | with fdisk |
| 15:46.08 | dotCOMmie | I'm having some problems with an NFS server, once a week or so the load goes way high all the NFS threads enter state D (sleep) and then a lot of proccess go defunct |
| 15:46.15 | sine | or with gparted |
| 15:46.32 | dotCOMmie | Same time kernel bitches about memory stuff |
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| 15:46.54 | hark | nightfreak: change line 1 to "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib" |
| 15:47.18 | Nyle | sine: i like cfdisk |
| 15:47.34 | nightfreak | hark: but i need amd64 packages |
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| 15:47.51 | russo | wols, themill: anymore ideas :/ |
| 15:48.06 | Nyle | sine: but all those should do it, if you want use fdisk, create a partition, hit 't' to change fstype, and type c for vfat |
| 15:48.09 | Nyle | or something |
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| 15:48.27 | hark | nightfreak: APT will automatically generate a URI with the current architecture |
| 15:48.29 | Nyle | sine: then you can format it with mkfs.vfat |
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| 15:49.31 | sine | im trying to do it with gparted but it wont let me make it fat32 only ext2/3 and primary |
| 15:49.32 | hark | nightfreak: you don't really need to explicitly specify it |
| 15:49.59 | hoxu | nightfreak, you might also want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
| 15:50.16 | rootmos | i have trouble with my network interfaces. wlanconfig thinks that my eth1 card i wireless but bu wireless is ath0, what can i do? |
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| 15:50.25 | nightfreak | ok works now, thanks |
| 15:50.27 | sine | im gonna reboot with gparted |
| 15:50.29 | sine | brb |
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| 15:51.24 | Fuwex | hey guys |
| 15:51.26 | Fuwex | I've got a little problem |
| 15:51.34 | Greyscale | Is it possible to use an irDA port to control a TV IR? |
| 15:51.35 | wols | rootmos: what "wlanconfig"? |
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| 15:51.53 | wols | Greyscale: check lirc docs |
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| 15:52.10 | Greyscale | lirc? |
| 15:52.12 | hark | !find wlanconfig etch |
| 15:52.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wlanconfig' (1): (/sbin/wlanconfig) in contrib/net/madwifi-tools. |
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| 15:52.20 | Greyscale | !lirc |
| 15:52.20 | dpkg | i heard lirc is Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://www.lirc.org |
| 15:52.25 | Greyscale | OoooOOoo |
| 15:52.30 | hoxu | ~tell Fuwex about anyone having problems |
| 15:52.57 | widrone | Greyscale: lirc maybe? |
| 15:53.13 | cyber_brain_mfkg | problem: azureus can connect to 1 seed(0 peers) and downloads only some small amount of data periodicly!!!any solutins??? |
| 15:53.26 | hoxu | Fuwex, we can't help you unless you tell us what your problem is :P |
| 15:53.40 | Greyscale | widrone, read up |
| 15:53.52 | DawnLight | hoxu/widrone: i'm following http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/ipv6-connectivity.html and it seems that i have ipv6 working as expected, although it's not being used in any way. the ipv6 module is loaded and lo has an "inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host". what i'm not sure about is what this tunneling driver is and why it is taking a long time to load at boot. |
| 15:53.55 | widrone | Greyscale: Im slow, you get your money back! ;) |
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| 15:54.06 | Greyscale | :P |
| 15:54.19 | hoxu | cyber_brain_mfkg, check your firewall, and see if azureus wiki has any troubleshooting stuff |
| 15:54.26 | Fuwex | I've got a daemon running as root. When it processes files and stores them in a folder that is owned by a regular user (fuwex), the new files created by the daemon belong to root, which make them inaccessible for fuwex. I suppose this has to do with the umask - anyhow, I was wondering, how do I make these newly created files accessible (and writeable etc., basically setting owner rights to fuwex) without manually having to enter 'chown'? |
| 15:54.38 | Fuwex | hoxu: hehe, yeah, sorry, was checking up on something |
| 15:54.55 | hark | rootmos: i guess you have to specify ath0 |
| 15:54.58 | cyber_brain_mfkg | hoxu, NAT test is OK!!!:S |
| 15:55.10 | rootmos | wols: that is a binary that configures yourmadwifi cards |
| 15:55.25 | rootmos | hark: where do i do that? |
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| 15:56.05 | Fuwex | or, actually, I might be able to just run the daemon as the regular user anyway |
| 15:56.11 | hoxu | Fuwex, one solution could be to change the directory group to something else, add the fuwex user to the group, and make the directory setgid |
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| 15:56.31 | hoxu | Fuwex, that way any new files should be owned by the group that owns the directory, thus making the regular user able to access them |
| 15:56.54 | xerophyte4 | how can i roll back to older version of libsoap-lite-perl i have issue with some new version |
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| 15:57.36 | hoxu | cyber_brain_mfkg, tried #azureus ? |
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| 15:58.11 | Fuwex | hoxu, I'll look into that, thanks |
| 15:58.14 | sine | hooray that worked! |
| 15:58.26 | cyber_brain_mfkg | hoxu, there are only 2 peeps there :S! |
| 15:58.27 | sine | now all i need to do is mount the partition in linux |
| 15:58.37 | sine | mkdir /media/fatone |
| 15:58.38 | Fuwex | hoxu, what is setgid? |
| 15:58.43 | Farhadix | I wanna courier-imap but return this error why?? this link is last lines of dpkg-buildpackage, http://pastebin.com/m6c075465 |
| 15:58.50 | Fuwex | hoxu: setsid? |
| 15:58.53 | cyber_brain_mfkg | hoxu, nope!my err :D |
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| 15:59.02 | sine | mount /dev/sda4 /media/fatone |
| 15:59.05 | sine | will that work |
| 15:59.09 | Fuwex | hmm, no, not setsid I guess - I don't know what setgid is then |
| 15:59.37 | hoxu | Fuwex, sec |
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| 16:00.37 | hark | rootmos: the man page dosen't say so? I don't have an atheros card.. maybe try #madwifi |
| 16:00.47 | Farhadix | anyone can help me? |
| 16:00.48 | shamrock | Nyle: I took your advice and looked into chroot. It appears not quite as easy as you would have some believe. For a start the only clear set of instructions on the subject assume an existing 32 bit install. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12061 |
| 16:00.59 | shamrock | Oh well. |
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| 16:01.43 | hoxu | Fuwex, okay, try this as root: "addgroup warez; adduser fuwex warez; mkdir testdir; chmod g+s testdir; chmod g+w testdir; chgrp warez testdir; touch testdir/testfile" and then as regular user confirm that you can access the file in the directory |
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| 16:02.25 | hoxu | Fuwex, the "testfile" should be owned by group "warez" so confirm that with ls -l after you create it |
| 16:02.36 | wols | Farhadix: courier-imap is already in debian |
| 16:02.42 | wols | so why compile it? |
| 16:02.48 | Fuwex | "warez"? :P Heh, anyway, thanks! I'll try it out |
| 16:03.11 | hoxu | !tell Farhadix about can anyone help me |
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| 16:04.09 | \amethyst | Fuwex: also note that you have to log in again to gain your new group membership |
| 16:04.21 | hoxu | good point |
| 16:04.24 | Fuwex | \amethyst: ok |
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| 16:04.33 | hoxu | Fuwex, or you can use newgrp warez :P |
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| 16:04.59 | Farhadix | wols, that one configured --without-authvchkpw , but I need --with-authvchkpw |
| 16:05.04 | Fuwex | oh, I just realised, I need to access the file through samba (got the whole thing shared through there) - I guess the samba user wouldn't be able to access it...? |
| 16:05.18 | hoxu | Fuwex, also, very good reading about permissions and stuff here, if you got spare time: http://macbooks.501megs.com/train/ch27lev1sec1.html |
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| 16:05.32 | \amethyst | hoxu: be careful, newgrp will make that your effective gid, too |
| 16:05.33 | Fuwex | anyway, I've got to go eat dinner, will continue with this a little later - thanks for helping me out :) |
| 16:05.38 | Fuwex | hoxu: alright, I'll check it out |
| 16:06.11 | Ronin | Farhadix: virtual users and qmr by any chance? |
| 16:06.30 | Farhadix | what? |
| 16:06.35 | hoxu | :) |
| 16:06.54 | Ronin | apparently not :) |
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| 16:07.23 | widrone | hoxu: Thanks for the link, nice plain understandable info. With mac screenshots to boot! |
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| 16:07.49 | themill | Beer o'clock, boys and girls! See you all later! |
| 16:07.53 | DawnLight | how can i get a colorful console? :D |
| 16:08.36 | Farhadix | how fix it? |
| 16:08.52 | Kurin- | What's the best way to back up a server in order to do a bare metal restore? |
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| 16:09.01 | hoxu | widrone, ahh, ignore those, the content is good ;) |
| 16:09.04 | Kurin- | Or to copy the entire contents from one server to another |
| 16:10.10 | Farhadix | ok |
| 16:10.13 | Farhadix | bye |
| 16:10.17 | hoxu | DawnLight, if you can settle for a non-technical solution I suggest mushrooms, for a technical solution try googling for "bash prompt colors" (if that's what you meant) |
| 16:10.50 | DawnLight | hoxu: thanks! |
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| 16:11.02 | widrone | hoxu: As long as linux boxes outnumber macs in the room I can cope ;) |
| 16:11.34 | Greyscale | How the heck can I use lirc O.o |
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| 16:13.11 | hoxu | DawnLight, also check /etc/skel/.bashrc - the recent ones come with a color prompt |
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| 16:14.08 | Marupa | is there a way to check what's installed via apt (and gives appropriate output that I could log to a file? |
| 16:14.20 | widrone | DawnLight: "tunneling driver" I see, just got lost in looking at tunnel brookers myself. You infected me, hehe. |
| 16:14.35 | hoxu | !tell Marupa about installed packages |
| 16:14.49 | Marupa | hoxu: thank you. |
| 16:14.55 | widrone | DawnLight: aiccu? |
| 16:15.02 | wols | Marupa: dpkg.log or dpkg -l | grep "^ii" |
| 16:15.18 | russo | hey themill, if i put your code to test php into an html should that work? |
| 16:15.23 | russo | i mean it doesn't... i tried it |
| 16:15.29 | DawnLight | hoxu: whats skel? |
| 16:15.41 | hoxu | wols, hey, I didn't know about /var/log/dpkg.log, thanks :P |
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| 16:16.00 | wols | DawnLight: a directory |
| 16:16.02 | DawnLight | widrone: i don't know that acronym |
| 16:16.09 | hoxu | DawnLight, skeletal configuration or something, see man adduser |
| 16:16.11 | Marupa | well, that's all I needed, thanks all. |
| 16:16.27 | DawnLight | wols: hoxus explanation was better |
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| 16:17.34 | DawnLight | hoxu: i guess it is what new users get |
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| 16:17.50 | hoxu | DawnLight, yup, it's just copied over to fresh home directories |
| 16:18.08 | L0cKn | back |
| 16:18.14 | widrone | DawnLight: According to the article you linked its one of the used "tunnel broker software". |
| 16:18.40 | sine | exit |
| 16:18.42 | sine | opps |
| 16:18.50 | cnet2 | how can i find out in debian what processor do i have |
| 16:19.00 | cnet2 | like.. jmm pentium4 or things like that |
| 16:19.25 | rootmos | cnet2: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 16:19.28 | wols | cnet2: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:19.41 | widrone | DawnLight: If you are trying to set up a tunnel at bootup, what handles it? Seems to me its supposed to be theese brokers (6to4 teredo tspc aiccu) . Hang with me, were in a learningcurve here. |
| 16:20.46 | DawnLight | widrone: i'm not trying to set up a tunnel. this is default in etch |
| 16:20.52 | Greyscale_ | Anyone ever got LIRC to work with a thinkpad? |
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| 16:21.48 | asymetrical | Can anyone suggest a Linux application for faxing that is similar to Rightfax? |
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| 16:23.01 | DawnLight | widrone: only reason i'm not deleting the whole ipv6 thing from my box it is because i try support whatever technologies the debian maintainers find appropriate |
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| 16:23.49 | hoxu | DawnLight, hrmh, what exactly is taking long time at boot / what messages do you see? |
| 16:24.12 | widrone | DawnLight: Ok. What does your ifconfig output looklike? |
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| 16:24.27 | helo | aww... splashy didn't make it into etch? |
| 16:25.04 | hoxu | widrone, if DawnLight is using 6to4 he does not need a tunnel broker, it's a bit different afaics |
| 16:25.38 | DawnLight | hoxu/widrone: "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver" is the line that takes a long time at boot |
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| 16:26.38 | russo | isn't there a log for installed packages |
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| 16:26.47 | russo | like /var/log/packages or something |
| 16:27.24 | creature | So, I have a WinTV card in my Debian box. And this works nicely with broadcast TV, and I use TVTime to use it. But I've got an S-Video source, and I'd like to use it using the S-Video in on this card. How do I access it using TVTime or something else? |
| 16:27.25 | DawnLight | widrone/hoxu: this is ifconfig http://paste.debian.net/38281 |
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| 16:28.24 | hoxu | russo, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:28.48 | hoxu | russo, if you want list of currently installed ones, /msg dpkg installed packages |
| 16:29.08 | russo | no i know dpkg -l right? |
| 16:29.19 | DawnLight | widrone/hoxu: excuse me, have to reboot! |
| 16:29.22 | russo | i just want to delte all the php stuff :P and try to reinstall it |
| 16:29.22 | hoxu | works too |
| 16:29.28 | russo | as easily as possible |
| 16:29.41 | russo | i mean i can't type dpkg --purge *php* |
| 16:29.43 | russo | can i? |
| 16:29.50 | widrone | DawnLight: I seem to have a sit0 interface claiming "IPv6-in-IPv4", not sure what it is but Im guessing its related. Youre missing that I see. |
| 16:29.59 | hoxu | dunno, but you should at least quote it :P |
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| 16:30.11 | hoxu | widrone, he's gone :P |
| 16:30.38 | widrone | hoxu: Like I said, so slow this meaty sticky brain-stuff. |
| 16:30.45 | hoxu | heh |
| 16:30.55 | hoxu | sit0 may not be in the list if it's not configured? |
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| 16:32.33 | widrone | hoxu: Now Im trying to figure out how I got it in the first place this sit0, but on a long living experimental laptop... no clue :P |
| 16:33.11 | hoxu | widrone, I don't really kno but I have CONFIG_IPV6_SIT=y in my /proc/config.gz, may be related... :) |
| 16:33.35 | hoxu | did DawnLight mention if he is using this "miredo" package in debian? |
| 16:33.53 | widrone | hoxu: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/02/msg02531.html seems to have the gist. |
| 16:34.07 | hoxu | heh |
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| 16:34.48 | hoxu | I still wonder why there is no package for 6to4 in debian, only the basically same script copied all over the net |
| 16:34.54 | nvz | miredo sounds a lot like mierda which is not a pretty word |
| 16:35.51 | nvz | essentially means "shit" in spanish |
| 16:36.12 | widrone | hoxu: Not that I saw, he mantioned "running the default etch setup". |
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| 16:39.41 | SpeS | hi |
| 16:39.54 | hoxu | ~greet SpeS |
| 16:39.55 | apt | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on SpeS |
| 16:39.59 | SpeS | I'm trying to mount an USB memory stick... dmesg says: FAT: Unrecognized mount option "flush" or missing value |
| 16:40.06 | clownfish | hi SpeS |
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| 16:40.10 | SpeS | how can I configure it, to delete that flush command? |
| 16:40.29 | hoxu | SpeS, do you use usbmount, mount manually or what? |
| 16:40.55 | SpeS | hoxu, I don't mind... my PC has always detected it right |
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| 16:41.00 | creature | SpeS: My bet is you've got something crazy in your fstab. |
| 16:41.01 | SpeS | but now it fails (?) |
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| 16:41.13 | Fuwex | How do I know whether a directory is a symbolic/hard link or an actual directory? |
| 16:41.18 | SpeS | creature, I've look into it and see nothing strange |
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| 16:41.33 | hoxu | SpeS, do you have usbmount (dpkg -l usbmount)? |
| 16:41.47 | SpeS | ermm.. |
| 16:41.58 | creature | SpeS: You want to look carefully for errant spaces/tabs, in particular. |
| 16:42.01 | SpeS | no I don't |
| 16:42.36 | SpeS | creature, in fstab I only have hdax, hdbx, proc, and fd0, thst's it |
| 16:42.37 | hoxu | umm, if it has worked before, then something else has probably mounted it |
| 16:42.50 | SpeS | well, I've updated to lenny |
| 16:42.53 | SpeS | perhaps... :( |
| 16:43.15 | Fuwex | Anyone? |
| 16:43.30 | hoxu | Fuwex, directories can't be hardlinked |
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| 16:43.35 | SpeS | funkyou, read the first character in ls -la |
| 16:43.39 | pike_ | Fuwex: it will be a different color if you ls --color=auto or ls -l |
| 16:43.43 | hoxu | Fuwex, try "ls -lad directory" and you'll see if it's a symlink |
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| 16:43.47 | SpeS | d = directory |
| 16:43.48 | SpeS | l = link |
| 16:44.14 | SpeS | Fuwex, and at the end of the line, the dir pointing to :) |
| 16:44.34 | SpeS | hoxu, usbmount is new in lenny? |
| 16:44.43 | Fuwex | hmm, seems to be a real directory |
| 16:44.43 | hoxu | SpeS, so did your usb sticks mount automatically before when you just put it in? |
| 16:44.47 | SpeS | It's worked fine without it before here |
| 16:44.50 | Fuwex | strange... |
| 16:45.00 | SpeS | hoxu, yes, always until the upgrade |
| 16:45.10 | hoxu | SpeS, where did it mount? |
| 16:45.11 | nvz | how do you mount a usb stick before you put it in? |
| 16:45.12 | Fuwex | ah, permissions again |
| 16:45.19 | SpeS | well, I'm not sure but I think is from the upgrade to now |
| 16:45.35 | funkyou | SpeS: what? |
| 16:45.44 | SpeS | hoxu, errr.. I really don't know, I accessed it with konqueror and don't remember the path |
| 16:45.47 | hoxu | nvz, don't try to parse my english, even if you get it right it's still wrong ;) |
| 16:45.52 | Fuwex | hoxu, still having troubles with the permissions |
| 16:45.57 | nvz | hoxu: tell me about it.. |
| 16:46.05 | SpeS | funkyou, sorry it was fot Fuwex :) |
| 16:46.21 | hoxu | ahh, konqueror... doesn't KDE kind of access devices without mounting them or something? |
| 16:46.41 | SpeS | hoxu, well they have to be mounted before KDE uses them :) |
| 16:46.49 | SpeS | it only ease the access once it's mounted |
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| 16:47.11 | clownfish | KDE uses devices ?!?!? |
| 16:47.15 | SpeS | ok I have usbmount installed... and now? |
| 16:47.23 | nvz | hoxu: I was just talking to my grandmother about the Azul Bar y Cantina behind my house and she said what kind of bar is that.. I was like.. its mexican.. Azul means "Blue" in spanish.. though I have no idea why they named the bar "Blue" and in spanish words generally don't have 12 different conflicting meanings like in english |
| 16:47.30 | hoxu | SpeS, well anyway, try installing usbmount, shouldn't hurt trying |
| 16:47.36 | hoxu | <-- slow |
| 16:47.45 | SpeS | hehe |
| 16:47.54 | hoxu | SpeS, try reinserting the usb thingy and see if it mounts somewhere (df) |
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| 16:48.36 | hoxu | nvz, right... |
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| 16:49.18 | SpeS | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 16:49.18 | hoxu | clownfish, I wouldn't really know, I just make blatant claims and wait until someone who actually knows something wakes up and corrects me ;) |
| 16:49.32 | Fuwex | ok, I'll start from the beginning - I have a daemon running as root. After it has processed a file, it places the resulting file in a directory owned by a regular user (fuwex). However, fuwex is unable to access this file, as the file seems to have been created with the root's umask, seeing as the daemon is running as root. How do I automatically make fuwex the owner (or let him access as if he were anyway) of any new files being created in this |
| 16:49.32 | Fuwex | directory? |
| 16:49.36 | hoxu | SpeS, that's from running mount command manually? |
| 16:49.38 | clownfish | :) |
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| 16:49.44 | lambda | hi |
| 16:49.44 | SpeS | konqueror is looking into: system:/media/sda1 |
| 16:49.51 | riz | have a nice weekend && bye |
| 16:49.51 | SpeS | hoxu, that's what konq says |
| 16:49.53 | Eclipser | hm |
| 16:49.56 | lambda | instead of apt-get upgrade the whole system |
| 16:49.59 | hoxu | Fuwex, setgid directory would still work ;) |
| 16:50.08 | lambda | can i only upgrade a few applications ? |
| 16:50.09 | Eclipser | gpgv gives unknown error when doing apt-get update |
| 16:50.10 | SpeS | sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda |
| 16:50.10 | SpeS | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 16:50.10 | SpeS | FAT: Unrecognized mount option "flush" or missing value |
| 16:50.15 | Fuwex | hoxu, and I still don't understand :( Sorry |
| 16:50.16 | Eclipser | just freshly installed etch |
| 16:50.17 | SpeS | the same error in dmesg than before :( |
| 16:50.26 | Eclipser | any ideas what to do about it? |
| 16:50.33 | hoxu | lambda, yes |
| 16:50.47 | lambda | with aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 16:50.48 | Fuwex | hoxu: I did those things you mentioned, and it worked with the testdir, but the chmod isn't applied to an automatically generated file (generated by the daemon), so the permissions are still wrong... |
| 16:51.01 | hoxu | SpeS, are you sure that "flush" thing is not in /etc/fstab or elsewhere? |
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| 16:51.32 | hoxu | lambda, I think you can use either, but I really recommend learning to use aptitude |
| 16:51.33 | DexterF | hi |
| 16:51.48 | SpeS | grep -i flush /etc/fstab |
| 16:51.48 | SpeS | spes:/home/jorge# |
| 16:51.58 | SpeS | hoxu, :( |
| 16:52.03 | clownfish | SpeS have you tried "fdisk -l" what does it show? sda1, sda2, sda, ??? |
| 16:52.18 | DexterF | scsi scanner, switched on after bootup. reloading scsi module and scsiadd -s don't work. how else can I test if the system sees the scanner? |
| 16:52.19 | hoxu | Fuwex, if the directory is "g+s" all files _new_ created in it should be changed to be owned by the group that owns the directory |
| 16:52.45 | Fuwex | hmm |
| 16:52.50 | SpeS | clownfish, I see sda1 there |
| 16:52.50 | Fuwex | oh |
| 16:52.52 | hoxu | SpeS, usbmount should mount the device in /media or something, does "mount -l" or "df" list anything? |
| 16:52.58 | Fuwex | and that applies recursively to directories too, hoxu? |
| 16:53.06 | SpeS | not df |
| 16:53.23 | clownfish | the try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash |
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| 16:53.30 | SpeS | mount -l |
| 16:53.30 | hoxu | Fuwex, nope, you need to set the old directories to setgid too - but it's something you need to do once since all new files/directories will carry the new group |
| 16:53.32 | SpeS | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 16:53.42 | SpeS | might be that one? |
| 16:53.45 | Fuwex | hoxu: ok, great, thanks :)) |
| 16:53.54 | Fuwex | will try again then |
| 16:54.33 | hoxu | Fuwex, if you have a lot of directories, try something like "find . -type d |xargs chmod g+s" (so that it won't set *files* setgid) |
| 16:54.47 | Fuwex | can't I use chmod -R ? |
| 16:54.54 | Fuwex | on the parent directory? |
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| 16:55.03 | Fuwex | or would that mess up things? :p |
| 16:55.04 | hoxu | Fuwex, "change __files__ and directories recursively" |
| 16:55.14 | Fuwex | and I don't want to change the files? Ah, ok |
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| 16:55.49 | hoxu | Fuwex, anyway, check and doublecheck any find pipings and recursive chmods because one of those is enough to totally screw a system... relax ;) |
| 16:56.06 | SpeS | er... I've tried other USB stick and doesn't work either :( |
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| 16:56.19 | Eclipser | I get "GPG error: http://ftp.fi.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" when I do apt-get update... I'm kind of lost here... fresh installation of etch |
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| 16:56.46 | hoxu | got to run now sorry |
| 16:56.53 | Fuwex | hoxu: ok, I'm not worried now |
| 16:57.47 | DexterF | mh, solved. scsiadd didnt see it but xsane does now. scsi is still voodoo. |
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| 16:58.59 | Fuwex | hoxu: xargs seems to split it into strings by spaces |
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| 16:59.33 | Fuwex | hoxu: so a directory called "This test dir" would result in it trying to set the permissions on "This", "test" and "dir" |
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| 17:00.37 | cberlo | Hi folks. Need some help here. I can't access a server using LVM. I know you guys are among the best available, so I'm hoping you can help! |
| 17:01.05 | cberlo | Getting the message: LVM group not found. Is there a bootable CD that can change/add an LVM name so this thing will boot and come back to life? |
| 17:01.11 | henry | Hello everybody, I would like to know if there is any way to have the gnome menu always maximized when I click on it (sometime it is straighten) |
| 17:01.15 | henry | any idea ? |
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| 17:01.55 | wols | cberlo: what debian version? |
| 17:02.47 | dserban | How do I disable logging to console and push the output to syslog? |
| 17:02.48 | cberlo | wols: I'd love to be able to say 4.0, but it's one of those "sub-versions" that aren't official Debian... :) |
| 17:03.07 | cberlo | wols: Ubuntu Feisty... |
| 17:03.09 | wols | cberlo: then we can't help you. ask your distro's support |
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| 17:03.42 | claudio` | Does anyone can suggest me a good font for the X terminal emulator? |
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| 17:04.12 | Ronin | cberlo: #ubuntu please |
| 17:04.24 | cberlo | wols: Saw that coming. Thank you very much. |
| 17:04.24 | cberlo | wols: My apologies for trying to get help here when my problem is "there". |
| 17:04.30 | dserban | iptables (fiaif) pushes everything to dmesg/console etc... I know I can set /proc/sys/printk to something, just don't know wth to set it to... or is there an alternate method? |
| 17:04.42 | wols | claudio`: a sans serif font from msttcorefonts for example |
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| 17:05.26 | dserban | cberlo it's unfortunate but the userbase communities are wholeheartedly different. |
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| 17:05.35 | cberlo | Ronin: Yeah, went there. They were about as useful as Microsoft support... |
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| 17:05.49 | dserban | cberlo did they make you dial a 900 number? |
| 17:05.51 | dserban | :) |
| 17:06.15 | cberlo | dserban: Yes, I know. You guys are definitely a more knowledgeable group. I've experienced both. Although I prefer Debian, my employer seems to like Ubuntu. |
| 17:06.26 | Fuwex | hoxu: ok, I set the permissions manually, hope this works, giving it a try now |
| 17:06.30 | claudio` | wols: let me check. THX |
| 17:06.35 | dserban | microsoft != megahard |
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| 17:07.10 | cberlo | dserban: I'd debate that equation, personally. Try install Vista. |
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| 17:07.38 | dserban | ayiee, i'm goin' nuts with all this crap filling my screen and dmesg... google pwns me... someone somewhere can fix my issue ... and I have chocolate chip cookies |
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| 17:07.56 | dserban | cberlo, I was more alluding to the 900 number =D |
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| 17:08.32 | hark | dserban: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 17:08.38 | NickBurnsSNL | Greetings to all ... |
| 17:08.39 | cberlo | dserban: Hey, if you have the cash, M$ is a fine way to prostitute your system. |
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| 17:09.33 | dserban | hark, yes indeed, but... what values? |
| 17:09.42 | Fuwex | hoxu, it works :) Although, my Samba user doesn't have the correct user permissions, need to fix that though |
| 17:09.56 | Fuwex | thanks for your help, much appreciated! |
| 17:10.22 | dserban | cberlo, aye even if I did, I'm tired of feeling dirty. Yesterday was my 6 year anniversary of being microsoft free and a debian "lover" |
| 17:10.36 | hark | dserban: uncomment the kernel.printk line |
| 17:10.45 | Fuwex | Ehm, can I add a samba user to a group? >.< |
| 17:11.42 | cberlo | dserban: Congrats. I've been at it for almost 9 now. Home has been a Microsoft free zone for me since then (potato, I think it was...). I say for me, because I have kids and a wife who don't support my "habit".... |
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| 17:11.46 | dserban | hark, omg so sad of me thanks =D, that must be new as of etch "i think" |
| 17:12.23 | NickBurnsSNL | Just jumping in here, so apologize if this has been discussed already. Anyone having Iceweasel lock up/crash their system on Lenny? I've been crashing for 2 1/2 days and from what I dig up, it appears to be that. Using Opera now and has been up for over 1 hour so far .. |
| 17:12.45 | dserban | hah dirty... I make my little one use gnome and gcompris... he complains that he can't trade games with his friends... love the control though... squid is amazing at parental controls |
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| 17:13.08 | deeperror | Are there any known issues with mounting a shared folder that lives on a raid1 drive under xp? |
| 17:13.41 | claudio` | cd |
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| 17:13.58 | claudio` | wols: you meant something like: -unknown-freeserif-medium-r-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-* ? |
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| 17:14.31 | wols | claudio`: I meant something like verdana |
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| 17:14.55 | claudio` | wols: is it a non-free Microsoft font? |
| 17:15.04 | wols | yes |
| 17:15.10 | Fuwex | next question coming up: I've got a samba user fuwex, and a regular Debian user fuwex. Now, Debian-fuwex is in a group, and I need Samba-fuwex to have the same group permissions as Debian-Fuwex - how do I go about doing that? |
| 17:15.21 | wols | !msttcorefonts |
| 17:15.21 | dpkg | msttcorefonts is probably add contrib (ask me about it) to sources and install the package. Or go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net |
| 17:15.48 | claudio` | :\ |
| 17:15.55 | claudio` | wols: i'll try that fonts. THX |
| 17:16.04 | wols | Batchy: bitstream has some free ones |
| 17:16.11 | wols | come with debian |
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| 17:18.02 | claudio` | wols: something went wrong or this font doesn't supports a lot of UTF-8 characters? |
| 17:18.52 | wols | which one? |
| 17:19.16 | claudio` | wols: i can't get the euro symbol too, indeed. |
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| 17:26.21 | Freakingme | http://rafb.net/p/8B4yMU71.html << anybody knows how to solve that probblem? |
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| 17:27.33 | claudio` | Freakingme: maybe with dpkg-reconfigure exim4 you can fix it. |
| 17:28.38 | Freakingme | does that mean all my config files will be gone? |
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| 17:29.27 | claudio` | Freakingme: depends on how you answer to the configuration dialog questions. |
| 17:29.40 | Freakingme | k, thanks |
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| 17:30.04 | claudio` | np |
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| 17:33.34 | renilgh | Hello |
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| 17:34.33 | renilgh | I just installed Debian (but am not completely new to it) and I can't add lenny repo to sources.list |
| 17:34.51 | renilgh | of course I can add it but it only causes errors |
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| 17:35.47 | Ronin | renilgh: how and where are you adding it? and what errors? |
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| 17:36.42 | renilgh | ah, wait it works now |
| 17:37.17 | renilgh | Ronin: thanks for the offered help (: |
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| 17:37.24 | Ronin | :) |
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| 17:38.06 | renilgh | adding through synaptic failed but when i wrote down "adding to sources.list" I tried doing this directly and it worked |
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| 17:45.02 | corey_ | hello WOLD |
| 17:45.14 | wols | hello coey_ |
| 17:45.17 | Max_- | hi |
| 17:45.34 | corey_ | wols how's germany these days? |
| 17:45.44 | wols | dark |
| 17:46.08 | nightfreak | there is no subversion package for amd64? |
| 17:46.17 | corey_ | wols is it at least cold? it is still 80 f out here! ;-( |
| 17:46.17 | wols | there is |
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| 17:47.03 | renilgh | what does the : in package versions mean? -> is 4:4 superior to 4.2? |
| 17:47.52 | danderson | hey. So, I've just installed an Etch and dist-upgraded to Sid. After installing xserver-xorg, I get an error saying that shared/default-x-server is not set, and so xorg cannot write its configuration file. |
| 17:48.20 | Eclipser | how can I make it so that my user can shutdown or reboot the computer from xfce logout dialog... the buttons are disabled now... |
| 17:48.21 | danderson | The only indication it gives on resolving this is to 'dpkg-reconfigure' "the X server". Which package does it mean? |
| 17:48.23 | Eclipser | ? |
| 17:48.27 | Max_- | I once have been told it was very easy to turn a linux server using only one HD to a RAID 1 or RAID 0... I want to very this as I don't have the second HD yet, and I'd start to set everything up NOW... Is it easy to, once everything is up and running, add an HD and turn it into a RAID1? |
| 17:48.41 | danderson | I tried xserver-xorg, but since that is the package that fails in the first place, I guess I have the wrong one. |
| 17:49.02 | russo | ok i got my php stuff sorted by reinstalling it all thanks all who were there as moral support |
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| 17:57.46 | jelly | Max_-: to raid1, yes. |
| 17:58.13 | jelly | Max_-: more precisely, to md-based Linux softraid raid1. |
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| 17:59.05 | Supaplex | what packages am I missing when xorg dies with 'No valid FontPath could be found.'? |
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| 18:01.01 | jelly | renilgh: yes, 4:4 is greater than 4.2 . the number left of : is called epoch. It's used (sparingly) to fix gross changes in version numbering (eg. when old version is, say, 20070802 and new one is 1.0) |
| 18:01.04 | jelly | !epoch |
| 18:01.04 | dpkg | methinks epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
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| 18:02.25 | ampex | how do I get top to seperate processes by the CPU they're using? |
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| 18:02.58 | jelly | renilgh: you can compare versions with dpkg. a=1:0; b=9.9; if dpkg --compare-versions $a gt $b; then echo $a is bigger; fi |
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| 18:03.08 | Max_- | jelly : thanks! even if it's only a softraid, will it enhance read speed almost as a hardware raid? |
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| 18:04.29 | ampex | Max_-: RAID with one drive will never perform any better than the single drive, and in most cases, it will be slower |
| 18:04.29 | Max_- | ampex : it's with 2 drives... no?! |
| 18:04.29 | Max_- | ampex : raid1 is two HDs with same content |
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| 18:04.48 | jelly | Max_-: for a single reader, Linux raid1 read only from one device. However, if you have multiple reader processes, Linux will spread the reads over multiple devices if it can. |
| 18:05.07 | Max_- | oh ok.. |
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| 18:05.19 | Max_- | anyway it's not that much a question of speed as a question of data security |
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| 18:05.37 | ampex | Max_-: you were asking about using RAID with a single driver earlier, were you not |
| 18:05.38 | ampex | ? |
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| 18:06.10 | ampex | jelly: I thought that md raid1 tried to intelligently use all of the spindles for read operations regardless of how many readers? Am I wrong? |
| 18:06.22 | Max_- | ampex : no... I was saying I had only one drive at the moment.. and I would turn it into a 2 drives later... and that I would like to make it raid1 .. with those two drives |
| 18:06.35 | corey_ | wols what is that ldap front-end munich uses again...with fai? |
| 18:06.38 | ampex | Max_-: you can use mdadm to make a RAID 1 with a missing drive |
| 18:06.44 | wols | corey_: no clue |
| 18:06.46 | ampex | Max_-: and then add the new drive in later on |
| 18:06.51 | jelly | ampex: if there's a single reader, it doesn't stripe the reads like it could. |
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| 18:07.07 | Max_- | ampex : ohh.. sounds interesting |
| 18:07.11 | ampex | jelly: interesting, I know that Intel's software RAID for it's chipsets does. |
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| 18:07.39 | jelly | ampex: theoretically you could get n*speed_of_1_device, but not with Linux md raid1. |
| 18:07.45 | corey_ | wols gosa |
| 18:07.56 | wols | ampex: only with new harddisk firmware |
| 18:08.00 | corey_ | wols you don't know anything about it? |
| 18:08.03 | wols | and probably new electronics |
| 18:08.11 | ampex | wols: how would hard disk firmware have anything to do with it? |
| 18:08.35 | Max_- | Maybe you can also tell me... I heard with sata HDs that the software taking care of the raid will tell you when a HD has failed and that you can replace it w/o even turning the server off.. is that true? |
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| 18:08.48 | wols | oh spindles. I thought we were talking about a single drive. in which case there is only one |
| 18:08.55 | wols | but yes it tries to read from both at once |
| 18:08.59 | sepski | Max_-, yes and no, it's called smart, and it dont work as good as it sounds |
| 18:09.14 | ampex | I think he's moreso asking about hot swapping |
| 18:09.15 | jelly | Max_-: iff the controller supports hot-swapping and the disks and your case too |
| 18:09.17 | wols | Max_-: sata has hotplug yes. but very few ones do |
| 18:09.27 | ampex | Max_-: certain SATA chipsets support hotplug/hotswap |
| 18:09.55 | ampex | I believe Silicon Image chipsets do, as well as Intel ICH7R and up (you need to make sure it's ICH7R not ICH7, and ICH8R not ICH8, etc.) |
| 18:10.01 | Max_- | okay... thanks all, so I guess I should just turn it off, replace and start it again.. it will copy it's partition to the new HD and that's it?! |
| 18:10.21 | ampex | Max_-: RAID failover isn't automtic |
| 18:10.28 | ampex | Max_-: you'll have to run some commands |
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| 18:10.39 | ampex | well, I lied, failover is automatic |
| 18:10.43 | ampex | but rebuilding is not |
| 18:10.44 | valdyn | it can be automatic to some extent |
| 18:10.49 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a editor for man pages? |
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| 18:10.55 | valdyn | but adding a disk is not |
| 18:11.01 | Max_- | okay.. |
| 18:11.03 | ampex | correct |
| 18:11.06 | ma3x | i can't specify -cropdetect, I get the following error: http://paste.debian.net/38288 |
| 18:11.08 | valdyn | that's what a hotspare is for |
| 18:11.12 | jelly | valdyn: except for the whole "replacing the physical device" part :-) |
| 18:11.23 | Max_- | :P |
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| 18:11.27 | valdyn | jelly: that's it ) |
| 18:11.50 | HardDisk_WP | or do I have to deal with this formatting manually? |
| 18:12.11 | jelly | well, it is automatic for the people if someone else gets the alert and does it for them :-) |
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| 18:12.38 | Max_- | hehe .. yeah |
| 18:12.39 | valdyn | i suppose its fairly straightforward to automatise this |
| 18:12.48 | valdyn | but as a default it would be a bad idea |
| 18:13.06 | valdyn | ( just some udev rule.. |
| 18:13.11 | Max_- | as long as there is an alert saying "hey, you have burnt HD.. change it ASAP before the other fries too.." |
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| 18:13.59 | jelly | Max_-: there's probably a lot of howtos for converting a single disk system to md raid1 |
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| 18:14.14 | jelly | it's fairly straightforward |
| 18:14.15 | valdyn | Max_-: mdadm /dev/mdX --remove /dev/failed_disk; madm /dev/mdX --add /dev/new_disk |
| 18:14.16 | Max_- | jelly : probably, I'll go search about this ... |
| 18:14.57 | Max_- | valdyn : that when a hd is dead .. you type that before removing.. then after adding the new? |
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| 18:15.13 | valdyn | Max_-: yea |
| 18:15.16 | Max_- | great |
| 18:15.25 | valdyn | Max_-: the 'alert' is an email you get |
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| 18:15.37 | jelly | valdyn: some scsiadd invoking (or echoing to files in /sys) needs to be done too |
| 18:16.04 | valdyn | Max_-: i dont know how sata hotplugging works, those 2 commands are just the mdadm layer |
| 18:16.05 | Max_- | Ok... well I wanted to make sure I could installe my stuff before I turn it into a raid... I just downloaded the latest debian version... I was trying to use ubuntu but I always get some weird errors |
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| 18:16.37 | Max_- | valdyn : yeah.. well as long as I'm not sure how my computer will handle this.. I'll turn it off for changing the HDs |
| 18:16.49 | FastPutty | how do i extract tar.bz2 file |
| 18:16.59 | wols | man tar |
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| 18:17.34 | jelly | Max_-: one thing though... if you plan on doing raid1, make sure you don't use the whole disk space for linux. keep about, say 3-5GB unused at the end of disk. |
| 18:17.59 | Max_- | jelly : ohh.. nice thing to know... I do not need to partition it? |
| 18:18.02 | blq | hi |
| 18:18.04 | valdyn | jelly: why? |
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| 18:18.12 | jelly | Max_-: right, don't even partition that part. |
| 18:18.26 | Borbus | Hi, general question about screen.. not sure if there's a better place to ask it? |
| 18:18.28 | Max_- | ok |
| 18:18.36 | valdyn | !justask |
| 18:18.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:18.38 | jelly | Max_-: valdyn: replacing a failed 200GB disk with a new 199.8GB disk. |
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| 18:18.52 | nepbabu | where's the documentation for building pidgin with dbus support? |
| 18:18.57 | blq | Is it possible to connect a analog telefone to a Asterisk via a analog modem? |
| 18:18.57 | Max_- | jelly : ... wise! |
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| 18:19.01 | Borbus | Yeah I knew someone would say I was asking to ask |
| 18:19.05 | nepbabu | the damn include-dirs can't be bound? |
| 18:19.20 | jelly | Max_-: got burnt :-) |
| 18:19.41 | Max_- | :) .. gotta get a new 250 now.. |
| 18:20.00 | Borbus | Well.. on my old distro (CentOS) screen used to show the name and number of the window in the title bar in PuTTY.. now in Debian with just a default screen install it doesn't. Any idea how to turn that on in screen? |
| 18:20.00 | Max_- | I kinda like the 5year warranty from seagate... |
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| 18:21.45 | blq | Is it possible to connect a analog telefone to a Asterisk via a analog modem? |
| 18:22.07 | nepbabu | blq, you know there's a channel for asterisk? #asterisk |
| 18:22.08 | valdyn | Borbus: read the manual or google for screenrc or use http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/screenrc ( at your ~/.screenrc ) |
| 18:22.18 | wols | blq: no |
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| 18:22.35 | Borbus | valdyn, I've consulted the manual of course but I really don't know what to look for |
| 18:22.44 | blq | nepbabu: oh, damn - I just missklicked in the channellist |
| 18:22.47 | Borbus | I don't know what PuTTY's title bar is really |
| 18:22.54 | nepbabu | blq, np ;) |
| 18:23.08 | valdyn | Borbus: i dont think that is related to putty |
| 18:23.50 | Borbus | Yes, but I mean when searching for ways to do it.. I don't what the Linux equivalent of PuTTY's title bar is if y ou know what I mean |
| 18:23.55 | rahul | putty can enable or disable that feature |
| 18:24.00 | rahul | Borbus: the terminal's title bar |
| 18:24.15 | rahul | Borbus: it has nothing to do with putty or linux |
| 18:24.15 | Borbus | So your .screenrc has the name if the window in the title? |
| 18:24.22 | valdyn | Borbus: its a 'special' character code that doesn't display but change the titlebar in terminals |
| 18:24.23 | rahul | title? |
| 18:24.27 | jelly | Borbus: that's putty emulating title bars from X :-) |
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| 18:24.50 | rahul | jelly: it's not X, it's xterm |
| 18:25.04 | Borbus | Ahh, ok |
| 18:25.04 | valdyn | rahul: or any X terminal |
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| 18:25.10 | valdyn | rahul: or probably most |
| 18:25.15 | jelly | rahul: yeah well. |
| 18:25.19 | Borbus | I wonder if there is a way to turn it on without restarting screen... |
| 18:25.22 | rahul | valdyn: those emulate xterm's control sequence for setting the title bar :) |
| 18:25.34 | valdyn | rahul: right, i suppose |
| 18:25.48 | valdyn | Borbus: i doubt that |
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| 18:27.10 | valdyn | Borbus: or ask a user of your old OS to send you his /etc/screenrc |
| 18:27.16 | Borbus | Ahh.. well I can't restart screen |
| 18:27.49 | Borbus | Yeah I might do that valdyn |
| 18:27.57 | Borbus | Next time my box needs to go down |
| 18:27.58 | scott_ | i'm trying to do a distupgrade and it looks like it removes lvm.. which would not be ideal since i currently have an lvm volume mounted... is there any way to tell why it wants to remove a package? |
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| 18:28.15 | nepbabu | Borbus, there's a nice screen guide somewhere... use Google |
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| 18:29.57 | Borbus | If you are using ssh, where does the title show with that? |
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| 18:30.18 | wols | in the xterm if you run ssh inside it |
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| 18:30.30 | _7_ | Why are there two packages (b43-fwcutter and bcm43xx-fwcutter) which seem to do the same thing in the sid repositories? I know they are diff. version, but is this the only reason? |
| 18:30.59 | valdyn | scott_: uname -r |
| 18:31.22 | valdyn | scott_: dist-upgrade in or to sid? |
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| 18:31.41 | _7_ | Also, I know the fglrx-driver package does not currently work (unmet depends); but doesn't the source package work either? |
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| 18:32.23 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 18:32.24 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:33.30 | yigal | what is a simple way to safely expand /usr and / for single user single machine? |
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| 18:34.35 | xerophyte4 | how can i revert a deb to older version ? |
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| 18:34.47 | wols | xerophyte4: you can't |
| 18:34.51 | valdyn | yigal: cp -av /usr/* /mnt/newusr/; mount /dev/whatever /usr; check permissions |
| 18:34.52 | wols | !downgrade |
| 18:34.52 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 18:34.54 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i |
| 18:34.54 | yigal | wols: not exactly true |
| 18:34.55 | valdyn | yigal: for / its hard |
| 18:35.02 | jetscreamer | and pray |
| 18:35.21 | yigal | ok, I'll make a couple back ups |
| 18:35.24 | yigal | and do it |
| 18:35.39 | yigal | xerophyte4: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 18:35.58 | yigal | valdyn: it can be done with a live CD? |
| 18:36.04 | yigal | valdyn: / |
| 18:36.06 | iwkse | hi all, there's no way to modify the dpkg path? i have it as /usr/var/dpkg and i want it as /var/dpkg |
| 18:36.12 | jelly | wols: well, apt-get install foo=version or foo/release can work for simple packages |
| 18:36.15 | valdyn | yigal: sure it can be done |
| 18:36.46 | yigal | valdyn: I don't like to see 90% full. |
| 18:37.03 | valdyn | yigal: / will get more space us your delete the contents of old /usr, if that was on / |
| 18:37.25 | yigal | valdyn: no, seperate partition |
| 18:37.29 | valdyn | yigal: and dont forget to edit your fstab |
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| 18:37.58 | yigal | valdyn: yes, yes ok |
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| 18:38.02 | valdyn | yigal: i wont walk you thru migrating /, to tedious and easy to fuck up |
| 18:38.34 | yigal | valdyn: ok, wow, amazing, I am sure I have to be careful with boot loader, etc.. |
| 18:38.55 | yigal | valdyn: I will do it tomorrow and do the easy /usr today |
| 18:39.04 | yigal | s/easy/easier |
| 18:39.18 | jelly | yigal: if you had preemptively set it up in a special way - so that you used lvm and created the ext3 filesystems with -O resize_inode, you could resize online. |
| 18:39.26 | valdyn | yigal: its managable the first time, provide you do leave your old stuff intact completely |
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| 18:39.48 | valdyn | yigal: while makeing the new 'system' bootable from the original grub boot menu |
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| 18:40.13 | yigal | valdyn: set the old stuff read only for the time being and cut any service that makes alterations ? |
| 18:40.38 | valdyn | yigal: nah, just dont get mail that you may not have later |
| 18:40.44 | valdyn | yigal: its not that sensitive |
| 18:40.55 | yigal | valdyn: good |
| 18:40.57 | valdyn | yigal: or dont update your system |
| 18:41.19 | yigal | valdyn: just did an upgrade 10 minutes ago |
| 18:41.29 | yigal | valdyn: ok, its on, thanks |
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| 18:42.19 | valdyn | or with xfs you can just grow online too |
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| 18:42.55 | valdyn | ( provided you can grow the underlying container |
| 18:42.57 | valdyn | ) |
| 18:43.18 | jelly | wtf? jelly@pizza.zg.iskon.hr's password: \nFanfare!!!\nYou are successfully logged in to this server!!!\n |
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| 18:43.50 | Max_- | o.0 |
| 18:43.54 | Omega42 | hi |
| 18:44.03 | Max_- | hi! |
| 18:44.46 | Omega42 | are universe or multiverse no longer supported in /etc/apt/sources.list with etch? |
| 18:45.13 | wols | there is no multiverse or universe or such shit in debian |
| 18:45.15 | wols | never ever was |
| 18:45.21 | wols | go back to #ubuntu |
| 18:45.23 | Max_- | woohoo |
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| 18:46.28 | DerbyD | :O |
| 18:46.30 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 18:46.32 | streuner | hehe wols |
| 18:46.45 | jetscreamer | !tell Omega42 -about debian-multimedia |
| 18:47.00 | streuner | That was just *another* way to tell "Hasta la vista, baby" :-) |
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| 18:48.34 | nepbabu | It's astala vista |
| 18:48.36 | _7_ | what's "#ubuntu" ? |
| 18:48.36 | nepbabu | :D |
| 18:48.56 | nepbabu | its a channel |
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| 18:49.10 | streuner | distro channel like #debian |
| 18:49.24 | _7_ | I see. is it a good distro? |
| 18:49.31 | blq | in germany we also say "klicki bunti" :) |
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| 18:49.34 | sabanovski | is it posible to configure vpn client sisco on debian? |
| 18:49.37 | streuner | wanna start a poll? |
| 18:49.44 | nepbabu | sabanovski, vpnc |
| 18:49.48 | nepbabu | hhehe |
| 18:49.49 | sabanovski | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.03 | sabanovski | but if u have cisco certificates |
| 18:50.03 | sabanovski | ? |
| 18:50.06 | nepbabu | sabanovski, you need vpnc to start cisco vpn client on debian |
| 18:50.08 | sabanovski | how can u import? |
| 18:50.10 | sabanovski | asha |
| 18:50.12 | nepbabu | sabanovski, no idea then dude |
| 18:50.21 | jelly | sabanovski: vpnc is free software replacement for Cisco's vpnclient. |
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| 18:50.59 | sabanovski | yes but if i have certificates from cisco. is it posible to import them to vpnc? |
| 18:51.06 | jelly | sabanovski: it doesn't work as well though. OTOH, there's no custom kernel modules and it plays better with linux networking. |
| 18:51.10 | streuner | _7_: i hope you are new to IRC and Debian, but asking in a debian channel is some other distro good, is like, if you go to BMW and ask is Mercedes good. |
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| 18:51.36 | SamuraiDio | what package do i need to install the php5 binaries (to run php scripts from shell)? |
| 18:51.36 | nepbabu | and Ofcourse BMW is > Mercedez |
| 18:51.40 | sabanovski | hmm |
| 18:51.41 | nepbabu | ;S |
| 18:51.46 | sabanovski | i have bmw :P |
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| 18:52.00 | _7_ | streuner: how dramatic. |
| 18:52.02 | blq | BMW > all |
| 18:52.06 | blq | :) |
| 18:52.19 | nepbabu | !tell SamuraiDio about php |
| 18:52.21 | SamuraiDio | i found already |
| 18:53.20 | jelly | SamuraiDio: it's nice to let people know if you solved it by yourself, so they can focus on some other issue |
| 18:53.36 | SamuraiDio | :) |
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| 18:54.13 | sabanovski | lol |
| 18:54.13 | sabanovski | :D |
| 18:54.58 | sabanovski | turbo:/home/turbo# vpnc |
| 18:54.58 | sabanovski | Enter IPSec gateway address: |
| 18:55.12 | sabanovski | no sign of import thing :P |
| 18:55.16 | jelly | !tell sabanovski -about paste |
| 18:55.27 | sabanovski | sory |
| 18:55.27 | jelly | sabanovski: have you read the documentation? |
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| 18:55.33 | sabanovski | i m reading it now |
| 18:55.34 | sabanovski | :P |
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| 18:57.14 | jelly | sabanovski: I don't know if vpnc supports client/server certs at all... we use the shared secret. |
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| 18:59.03 | sabanovski | hmm |
| 18:59.04 | jelly | sabanovski: in fact, the manual says it's in TODO. |
| 18:59.16 | jelly | at least for the version in debian testing |
| 18:59.20 | bara | 2007-09-28T18:38:34Z WARNING: createWindow: LLWindowManager::create() : Error cr eating window. - how can i fix it? |
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| 18:59.32 | sabanovski | how long it will take for the next version do you have any clue? |
| 18:59.33 | bara | this error happened when i tried to play secondlife |
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| 19:01.03 | jelly | sabanovski: no clue. or "ask the authors". |
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| 19:01.22 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 19:01.40 | Ace2016 | Can someone tell me how to install debian sid please, i only have windows right now |
| 19:01.58 | _7_ | Yes. |
| 19:02.01 | sabanovski | k |
| 19:02.04 | jetscreamer | no install testing or stable Ace2016 ... but go to goodbye-windows.com |
| 19:02.27 | jetscreamer | sid might be a little too much right off the bat, Ace2016 |
| 19:02.33 | jetscreamer | you can go sid later |
| 19:03.07 | _7_ | Why do you want SID anyway |
| 19:03.07 | hoxu | Ace2016, hear, hear, unless you have a proper reason to for sid/unstable straight, I suggest going stable -> +backports -> testing -> sid |
| 19:03.20 | hoxu | *to go for |
| 19:03.21 | bara | 2007-09-28T18:38:34Z WARNING: createWindow: LLWindowManager::create() : Error cr eating window. - how can i fix it? |
| 19:03.23 | bara | this error happened when i tried to play secondlife |
| 19:03.32 | jetscreamer | you said that already bara |
| 19:03.34 | Ace2016 | I use ubuntu 27/7 for the last 6 months, i only have windows now since its my new laptop, and vista doesn't seem as great once you start using it, just feels like a nicer version of xp |
| 19:03.49 | bara | jetscreamer, nobody replied. so i posted again. |
| 19:03.50 | jetscreamer | you should make that all one line, btw, bara |
| 19:03.57 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 19:03.57 | hoxu | bara, hum, ask the game/package/whatever maintainers? |
| 19:03.58 | simonrvn | bara: we don't support non-debian stuff here |
| 19:04.09 | jelly | bara: secondlife is not in debian. Try their forums. |
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| 19:04.14 | bara | ok |
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| 19:04.31 | jetscreamer | might be some opengl thingy but no idea |
| 19:04.51 | jetscreamer | maybe not |
| 19:04.52 | _7_ | Ace2016: the debian.org website has all the information you need in order to install SID. |
| 19:04.54 | jelly | there be forums for the linux alpha there. |
| 19:05.02 | jetscreamer | (damn that seemed stupid) |
| 19:05.05 | sabanovski | vista sux realy :) |
| 19:05.09 | _7_ | So.. have you rtfsite? |
| 19:05.23 | jetscreamer | no we have rtfmsite |
| 19:05.27 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 19:06.18 | hoxu | ugh people, either point to specific pages if you don't want to reproduce detailed advice, or don't say anything, but please don't point people to google.com or say something like "debian.org has all the information you could possible need" -_- |
| 19:06.32 | _7_ | or what |
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| 19:06.38 | jelly | hoxu: unless you're trolling for responses. |
| 19:06.39 | Ronin | i like the google one actually, let them do some of thier own leg work |
| 19:07.00 | hoxu | ~.~ |
| 19:07.15 | _7_ | don't lecture other people on the replies they should or should not give |
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| 19:07.37 | jelly | _7_: sure we will, this is a support channel meant to help people. |
| 19:07.54 | HardDisk_WP | how do I escape a . as first character in a line in NROFF? |
| 19:08.03 | sabanovski | how to restart apache? |
| 19:08.04 | sabanovski | :P |
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| 19:08.19 | Ace2016 | sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:08.20 | hoxu | sabanovski, invoke-rc.d apache restart (or use apachectl) |
| 19:08.27 | _7_ | jelly: and everybody helps in the best way they can. |
| 19:08.39 | hoxu | _7_, trolling or being generally unfriendly is not helping |
| 19:09.01 | jelly | _7_: pointing to generic site is NOT helpful with a specific issue |
| 19:09.10 | _7_ | you're trolling/being unfriendly if you point to an online resource? |
| 19:09.28 | Max_- | not if you point to a PRECISE one I guess |
| 19:09.36 | Max_- | google is not |
| 19:09.37 | Max_- | :P |
| 19:09.42 | sabanovski | bash: etc/init.d/apache2: No such file or directory |
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| 19:09.50 | _7_ | I'm not an inventory of URLs, debian.org has nice links to the specific pages |
| 19:09.51 | jelly | sabanovski: you missed the first / |
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| 19:10.37 | adlisyakir | hye.. if i use old debian can i update to latest vesion without installing a new debian |
| 19:10.39 | adlisyakir | ? |
| 19:10.50 | hoxu | adlisyakir, yes |
| 19:10.56 | jelly | _7_: no need to reply to a question you don't have experience with |
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| 19:11.17 | sabanovski | k |
| 19:11.19 | Korozec | hi... I want to setup some routes at the boot time, where is the better place to put it? |
| 19:11.20 | _7_ | jelly: I'm currently running debian -unstable, is that enough experience for said question? |
| 19:11.25 | adlisyakir | ok .. hoxu |
| 19:11.26 | jelly | _7_: no. |
| 19:11.37 | shamrock | _7_: not with tha kind of answer no. |
| 19:11.38 | _7_ | what if I add that I have installed it myself |
| 19:11.45 | Max_- | lol |
| 19:11.45 | Ace2016 | adlisyakir: are you talking about using the latest debian disk to install or just update using an internet connection? |
| 19:11.54 | shamrock | _7_: if you can answer, answer. otherwise say nothing. |
| 19:11.56 | jetscreamer | http://nsa.unaligned.org/ |
| 19:12.07 | adlisyakir | just update using internet.. can? |
| 19:12.10 | hoxu | adlisyakir, what release of "old" debian do you have? |
| 19:12.10 | jelly | _7_: sorry, I'm not arguing this point any more. Have fun. |
| 19:12.12 | dkr | starting a dick-waving meta-discussion about the proper way to help people and level of knowledge is worse than the original infraction |
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| 19:12.36 | scott_ | valdyn: sry for late reply.. i hop between 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.21-2 |
| 19:12.40 | _7_ | "said infraction" |
| 19:12.44 | Ace2016 | you don't know about apt-get and dist-upgrade? |
| 19:12.45 | maddash | jetscreamer: omg fpga! |
| 19:12.53 | dkr | _7_: "alleged"? ;) |
| 19:13.04 | _7_ | that's better :) |
| 19:13.19 | fredl | hey guys, how can I make mplayer play DVD's ? |
| 19:13.30 | dkr | mplayer dvd://1 |
| 19:13.35 | maddash | jetscreamer: wtf? 240W? what kind of fpga is that? |
| 19:13.40 | shamrock | anyway, I just need to verify something as it has escaped my head. I just had to reinstall lenny i386 for mumtimedia to work properly. What is the best way to get the SID kernel into it and where from? Googlind debian links really isnt easy. SHould there be a SID->Lenny backport page? |
| 19:14.07 | fredl | oh cool, thanks dkr |
| 19:14.22 | jelly | maddash: 32 small ones in a package? :-) |
| 19:14.37 | hoxu | shamrock, you should be able to use just few unstable packages in testing instead of upgrading the whole to unstable |
| 19:14.58 | dkr | fredl: where you can change that 1 to 2, 3 whatever for different titles on the dvd |
| 19:14.58 | shamrock | hoxu: I know. But whats the best way, |
| 19:15.07 | jetscreamer | fredl: got libdvdcss2? |
| 19:15.17 | fredl | jescreamer - ye I do. |
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| 19:15.23 | jetscreamer | maddash: no idea |
| 19:15.39 | hoxu | shamrock, I think you need to add both testing and unstable to sources.list and use pinning so that apt/aptitude does not try to upgrade all packages |
| 19:15.57 | scott_ | fredl: if you get odd langyuages.. i think to get english is -alang en |
| 19:16.07 | fredl | I'm trying to make mplayer start up automatically in GNOME |
| 19:16.11 | jetscreamer | !tell shamrock -about backports |
| 19:16.13 | shamrock | thats it. ok. thanks. |
| 19:16.53 | shamrock | jetscreamer: I got nothing there |
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| 19:17.00 | FastPutty | someone got n idea why i cannot iptraf my tun0 (openvpn tunnel) |
| 19:17.19 | fredl | woo, cool |
| 19:17.20 | hoxu | shamrock, if the dependencies try to pull you to unstable you may need to backport packages or something |
| 19:17.20 | jetscreamer | fredl: for mplayer things (not autostart in gnome) #mplayer |
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| 19:17.35 | fredl | sure jetscreamer, n/p |
| 19:17.45 | jetscreamer | shamrock: well backports are the 'approved' method, all i know |
| 19:17.48 | jetscreamer | semi |
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| 19:18.29 | jelly | jetscreamer: _very_ neat use of faulty hardware! |
| 19:18.51 | hoxu | !tell shamrock about pinning |
| 19:18.54 | shamrock | jetscreamer: I dont think a kernel will drag much into unstable will it? |
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| 19:19.37 | jetscreamer | shamrock: you're 'running' sid atm? |
| 19:19.40 | hoxu | jetscreamer, the factoid seems to say backporting is the way to go for stable, pinning for testing |
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| 19:20.20 | jetscreamer | just compile a kernel if testing |
| 19:20.36 | hoxu | shamrock is using lenny |
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| 19:21.41 | jelly | shamrock: at current time you can just download deb for linux-image-2.6.22-*; tried it (on etch, even), it runs :-) |
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| 19:22.15 | maddash | 2.6.22 kills my suspend to ram |
| 19:22.29 | thechef | are there any patches for the ssl vulnerability? (need it for debian etch) |
| 19:22.42 | jelly | regressions in 2.6 series are nothing new :-( |
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| 19:23.14 | thechef | maddash, same here on my notebook, i use 2.6.18 instead |
| 19:23.36 | maddash | thechef: this wouldn't happen to be a thinkpad, would it? of the t43 variety? |
| 19:23.46 | jelly | maddash: Suspend2, er, tux-on-ice usually works better for me. I mostly use suspend-to-disk. |
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| 19:24.01 | thechef | maddash: no, it's an acer aspire |
| 19:24.16 | maddash | jelly: tux-on-ice only affects s2disk, not s2ram, right? |
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| 19:24.28 | maddash | thechef: a radeon video card? |
| 19:24.34 | jelly | maddash: i think wrong, but not sure |
| 19:24.51 | thechef | maddash: no, intel |
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| 19:25.27 | Max_- | Just a little question here.. do I really need the 3 dvds to install debian? is this like 1:install 2:apps 3:sources? |
| 19:25.33 | thechef | maddash: on my system it does not wake up correctly anymore |
| 19:25.35 | jetscreamer | no you just need the first one |
| 19:25.45 | Max_- | jetscreamer : cool, burned :D |
| 19:25.51 | jetscreamer | or the first cd, or a netinst cd... or goodbye-windows.com |
| 19:25.51 | hoxu | Max_-, you can just use the small netinstaller if you have connectivity |
| 19:25.53 | jelly | thechef: what vulnerability? you could try #debian-security on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:26.13 | Max_- | hoxu : ohhh damnit.. I downloaded the whole dvd >.< |
| 19:26.36 | hoxu | Max_-, that makes installing software faster at least :) |
| 19:26.43 | thechef | got it from a german newsticker: an off-by-one byte overflow: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/96710 |
| 19:26.44 | Ace2016 | Can't find anything on installing sid from even a live cd, maybe its my search key terms |
| 19:26.53 | Max_- | hoxu : yeah! at least :) |
| 19:27.09 | jetscreamer | Ace2016: go to http://goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 19:27.14 | jetscreamer | you can install it |
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| 19:27.37 | XP-FREAK | Hey guys |
| 19:27.47 | XP-FREAK | have a problem with ssh private keys |
| 19:27.47 | hoxu | Ace2016, I strongly recommend going for stable installation, and upgrading later, unless you know you want newer software, then I suggest lenny/testing |
| 19:28.07 | XP-FREAK | done everything, but get Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). when i trie to log in |
| 19:28.11 | Ronin | Ace2016: there is no live cd of sid or downloadable image of it |
| 19:28.17 | hoxu | XP-FREAK, checked the sshd log? |
| 19:28.38 | hoxu | XP-FREAK, are the permissions in ~/.ssh at both sides okay (no world readability)? |
| 19:28.42 | jetscreamer | hoxu: we already told him about not sid :0 |
| 19:29.05 | tokyoeye | XP-FREAK, do ssh -v and see where it breaks |
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| 19:29.18 | XP-FREAK | im now looking in the logs |
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| 19:29.34 | jelly | XP-FREAK: are you trying to log in as user or as root? root logins are disabled by default (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) |
| 19:29.39 | hoxu | jetscreamer, yeah well, the third advice is to buy a gun and aim at the foot... the end result is same and you don't need to install sid |
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| 19:30.16 | jetscreamer | hoxu: but hey we tell and tell and he still wants sid.... i'll sell him the guh |
| 19:30.18 | jetscreamer | gun |
| 19:30.36 | hoxu | sounds like a plan :P |
| 19:30.38 | bara | how can I install OpenGL 2.0 in debian etch? |
| 19:31.00 | XP-FREAK | found error with help from guys in #debian.de :) |
| 19:31.01 | XP-FREAK | Sep 28 21:21:22 blackbox sshd[905]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/benedikt/.ssh |
| 19:31.02 | jetscreamer | bara: what vid card and what driver are you using |
| 19:31.11 | jetscreamer | !tell XP-FREAK -about paste |
| 19:31.12 | hoxu | XP-FREAK, make sure it's not _world readable_ |
| 19:31.14 | bara | jetscreamer, nvidia geforce |
| 19:31.27 | jetscreamer | bara: are you using the xorg nv driver? |
| 19:31.33 | jetscreamer | if so that may be it |
| 19:31.34 | jelly | XP-FREAK: chmod go-rwx ~/.ssh on remote machine |
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| 19:31.46 | pipatron | Hey people, I'm trying to debug a friend's ubuntu installation remote, she's having problems with the USB drive. No one at #ubuntu seemed to have any clue, this is why I'm trying here, hoping that it's using the same systems.. |
| 19:31.49 | bara | jetscreamer, I am using the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website, the 6 series one |
| 19:31.56 | jetscreamer | 6? |
| 19:31.56 | ka-ching | where is the bookmarks file from iceweasel ? |
| 19:32.00 | Ronin | pipatron: #ubuntu |
| 19:32.03 | hoxu | pipatron, debian != ubuntu |
| 19:32.06 | pipatron | Yeah, they know nothing |
| 19:32.10 | bara | jetscreamer, nvidia geforce 6 series, yes |
| 19:32.10 | jetscreamer | they're up to 100.11.14 or so |
| 19:32.14 | pipatron | So I guess no one can help me then. |
| 19:32.15 | Ronin | pipatron: still |
| 19:32.18 | XP-FREAK | i allready set rights for the keys themself but not for the directory |
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| 19:32.28 | jelly | pipatron: hotplugging things are still OS specific. Advice given for Debian might result in problems on ubuntu. |
| 19:32.31 | bara | NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 6150 is my video card |
| 19:32.33 | jetscreamer | bara: you might /join #nvidia then, probably more of what you need |
| 19:32.35 | pipatron | jelly: I see. |
| 19:32.38 | bara | oh thanks |
| 19:32.40 | sabanovski | how to add some user writes that he can install programs on /home/bla/test |
| 19:32.41 | sabanovski | ? |
| 19:32.47 | jetscreamer | i don't mean leave here, just ask in there also |
| 19:32.51 | hoxu | pipatron, what's the problem exactly, anyway? |
| 19:33.45 | jetscreamer | bara: try glxinfo in an xterm and look for nvidia supplying glx and glcore.. or opengl |
| 19:33.53 | hoxu | sabanovski, can you rephrase that? |
| 19:34.10 | jetscreamer | bara: if those 2 don't say nvidia that's the problem |
| 19:34.43 | FastPutty | someone use openvpn and able to get stats with iptraf from tun0? |
| 19:34.45 | pipatron | hoxu: She plugs the drive in, and the only thing that happens is: "usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12" and then "usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" |
| 19:34.51 | pipatron | hoxu: Nothing comes up in lsusb |
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| 19:35.06 | pipatron | hoxu: And I really don't know where to go from there :/ |
| 19:35.12 | sabanovski | hmm |
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| 19:35.20 | treertret | how do i check if a process is running and if not start it? |
| 19:35.37 | Greyscale_ | be right back |
| 19:35.51 | sabanovski | one user on my server neads to install program on /home/test/test123 and when he tryed there was (Permission denied). |
| 19:35.53 | hoxu | pipatron, weird... I'm afraid I can't help with that |
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| 19:36.39 | hoxu | treertret, do you need to check if a program with certain name is running? |
| 19:36.54 | maddash | pipatron: if we helped you, would you give us her number? |
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| 19:36.59 | treertret | hoxu yes |
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| 19:37.05 | treertret | specifically amavis |
| 19:37.18 | pipatron | maddash: I could ask her ;) |
| 19:37.23 | maddash | pipatron: pastebin /var/log/dmesg as well as 'lsusb' |
| 19:37.25 | hoxu | treertret, use pidof |
| 19:37.27 | pipatron | hoxu: Okay, thanx anyway |
| 19:37.32 | Ronin | maddash: get a picture first |
| 19:37.38 | maddash | Ronin: good idea |
| 19:37.39 | cahoot | treertret, pgrep <app> |
| 19:37.46 | sabanovski | anybody? |
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| 19:38.00 | Max_- | Hey, would Derek VALADA's "Managing RAID on LINUX" be something good for me? or should I just find some md manuals?! |
| 19:38.05 | hoxu | treertret, something like "pidof amavis || amavis" |
| 19:38.19 | sabanovski | and how to add .bash_history to user? that you can see what is he doing :p |
| 19:38.25 | dragonheart | sabanovski: the mount point is noexec? |
| 19:38.28 | jelly | pipatron: make sure these kernel modules are loaded: usb-storage, sd_mod |
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| 19:38.56 | treertret | cahoot how can i put that into a cron script though? |
| 19:39.03 | maddash | hahaha, 'sd_mod' |
| 19:39.12 | Max_- | dunno if anyone ever read it........ |
| 19:39.15 | hoxu | sabanovski, bash history is written by default, see man bash and IHSTCONTROL/HISTFILE/HISTFILESIZE etc :p |
| 19:39.19 | tokyoeye | pipatron, cat /proc/partitions |
| 19:39.29 | treertret | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.37 | pipatron | Ok, I typed 'lsmod' and the ssh connection died |
| 19:39.46 | simonrvn | Max_-: raid howto at tldp.org is plenty fine (if there are 2 versions there, use the newer one) |
| 19:39.49 | sabanovski | in mine user is bash_history but when i do ls -al on other user there is no bash_history |
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| 19:40.04 | sabanovski | and now how to add him flag that he can do what ever he wants :p |
| 19:40.09 | jelly | maddash: hoping that they do the same dumb job of making everything as modularized as possible |
| 19:40.15 | hoxu | treertret, first create a script that starts the program if it's not running, after it works you can just add that script to cron |
| 19:40.19 | tokyoeye | treertret, check monit |
| 19:40.34 | Max_- | simonrvn : Thanks! :D |
| 19:40.45 | maddash | pipatron: looks like you're not getting any tonight |
| 19:40.58 | maddash | pipatron: all because of ssh. pity. |
| 19:41.01 | pipatron | Damn :/ |
| 19:41.06 | pipatron | I'll sue them |
| 19:41.12 | jelly | pipatron: there be something b0rken on that machine |
| 19:41.17 | pipatron | jelly: Of course |
| 19:41.23 | tokyoeye | pipatron, what did ssh -v say? |
| 19:41.56 | jelly | since it's ubuntu, I'd do a reboot :-D |
| 19:42.01 | pipatron | tokyoeye: Dunno, I just logged in again |
| 19:42.17 | pipatron | I had to make her open a reverse ssh tunnel to my server first, so it's a bit shaky |
| 19:42.22 | pipatron | She has no clue at all about computers |
| 19:42.27 | simonrvn | "ssh -v didn't say much, not very talkative... lots of text output however" :P |
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| 19:42.53 | maddash | pipatron: she knows how to open tunnels -- how cool is that? |
| 19:43.32 | Greyscale | http://pastebin.com/m78b734f6 <-- nm-applet when not as root. |
| 19:43.34 | jelly | maddash: it IS somewhat impressive... means they got away with spelling and case sensitive options. |
| 19:43.36 | simonrvn | no clue about computers, but can open ssh tunnels... o_O |
| 19:43.44 | Greyscale | How do I fix nm-applet so it runs right as a user |
| 19:44.16 | maddash | pipatron: just out of curiosity, do you see the appropriate USB partition in /dev? |
| 19:44.42 | pipatron | maddash: Nope |
| 19:45.07 | pipatron | And she doesn't know how to open tunnels, she do know how to type exactly what I say into a terminal window though |
| 19:45.11 | pipatron | And the reason I |
| 19:45.27 | pipatron | oops |
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| 19:46.00 | pipatron | Now I found something interesting |
| 19:46.10 | jelly | is it a cookie? |
| 19:46.22 | maddash | boobs? |
| 19:46.25 | pipatron | I have about 10 processes looking like this: |
| 19:46.25 | pipatron | root 20252 0.0 0.1 1688 624 ? D< 22:05 0:00 /sbin/modprobe -Q usb:v0D49p7100d0203dc00dsc00dp00ic08isc06ip50 |
| 19:46.28 | `nstuff | hrmm cookies |
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| 19:46.32 | pipatron | (with ps auxf) |
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| 19:46.54 | Greyscale | Anyone? |
| 19:46.58 | graytron | can debian live with nodev everywhere else except /dev ? |
| 19:47.01 | hoxu | !anyone |
| 19:47.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:47.11 | maddash | pipatron: ouch. means that modprobe isn't sticking in the modules correctly. |
| 19:47.18 | hoxu | Greyscale, nevermind, didn't notice the above :P |
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| 19:47.47 | tokyoeye | graytron, afaik yes |
| 19:47.50 | maddash | Greyscale: depends on how wrong it's running |
| 19:48.08 | Greyscale | I linked the error |
| 19:48.08 | Greyscale | as a user, it won't run |
| 19:48.08 | Greyscale | like it should |
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| 19:48.38 | FastPutty | someone use openvpn and able to get stats with iptraf from tun0? |
| 19:49.08 | Greyscale | it runs dandy with root |
| 19:49.31 | jelly | pipatron: D state means kernel has problems with I/O... usually requires a reboot to get rid of those. I'd remove the stick, reboot, and after reboot try plugging it in some other usb socket to see if it makes things different |
| 19:49.47 | pipatron | jelly: Sounds like a good idea, I'll try this now :) |
| 19:50.31 | tokyoeye | anyone here doing mass (100+) debian installs? |
| 19:51.04 | jelly | pipatron: if that doesn't help, and the kernel is an oldish version, it could be a good idea to upgrade it. upgrading kernel remotely can be very painful. |
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| 19:51.48 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 19:52.00 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 19:52.54 | rahul | !dynamicmmap |
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| 19:53.24 | rahul | hrm |
| 19:53.25 | cahoot | !mmap |
| 19:53.25 | dpkg | [dynamic mmap] "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 19:53.38 | rahul | how big does it have to be these days? |
| 19:54.17 | _7_ | 11 inches |
| 19:54.25 | rahul | mine is 16777216 |
| 19:54.30 | _7_ | lucky you |
| 19:54.31 | rahul | so there |
| 19:54.43 | rahul | makes it difficult to walk, tho :\ |
| 19:54.48 | vjt | lol |
| 19:55.01 | cahoot | would hardly need to |
| 19:55.18 | rahul | heh |
| 19:55.23 | rahul | true |
| 19:55.40 | rahul | assuming the angles I need aren't blocked... |
| 19:55.58 | jelly | rahul: or reduce the crap you have in sources.list, ffs |
| 19:56.11 | rahul | jelly: this happens when I'm installing packages, not when updating |
| 19:56.20 | rahul | Setting up debtags (1.7.3+b1) ... |
| 19:56.20 | rahul | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 19:56.39 | jelly | the room was painted green? |
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| 19:56.55 | rahul | probably |
| 19:57.11 | rahul | I'm to scared to look into it |
| 19:57.13 | jelly | offer free hotdogs and promise redecoration |
| 19:57.16 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:58.21 | Supaplex | !+listvals Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 19:58.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'Dynamic MMap ran out of room' by value (3): cache-limit ;; dynamic mmap ;; dynamic-mmap. |
| 19:58.34 | Supaplex | !dynamic-mmap |
| 19:58.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dynamic-mmap is "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, and if you are still having problems try commenting out everything in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing (as root): "cd /; apt-setup", or increasing cache workaround for shortening ... |
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| 19:58.43 | Supaplex | rahul: ^^^ old news. |
| 19:58.50 | rahul | APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; |
| 19:59.07 | rahul | and it's old enough to refer to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:59.18 | rahul | mine is in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local |
| 19:59.18 | Supaplex | rahul: what release are you using? |
| 19:59.21 | dondelelcaro | you can still run into that error |
| 19:59.22 | rahul | Supaplex: yes |
| 19:59.23 | sabanovski | how to add program in crontab? |
| 19:59.25 | rahul | heh |
| 19:59.36 | dondelelcaro | but you generally have to be running an insane number of sources |
| 19:59.37 | Supaplex | rahul: EAGAIN |
| 19:59.40 | simonrvn | i haven't in a while |
| 19:59.48 | dondelelcaro | sabanovski: man 5 crontab |
| 19:59.55 | rahul | dondelelcaro: updating doesn't cause any problem. it's setting up packages... |
| 20:00.11 | simonrvn | rahul: so? |
| 20:00.14 | pickcoder | rahul: did you try wiping the apt cache? |
| 20:00.18 | dondelelcaro | rahul: it's walking the dependency tree when you have that many packages |
| 20:00.35 | rahul | dondelelcaro: to set up a package? |
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| 20:00.54 | rahul | it already downloaded and installed everything |
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| 20:01.09 | dondelelcaro | rahul: what's the full output? |
| 20:01.21 | simonrvn | so set it up and QuitYerBitchin, kthxbye ;p |
| 20:02.03 | rahul | apt-listchanges: Mailing root: apt-listchanges: changelogs for photino |
| 20:02.03 | rahul | apt-listchanges: Mailing root: apt-listchanges: changelogs for phoE: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 20:02.06 | Supaplex | simonrvn: I'm ready to dial a waaaahmbulance for rahul. just say the word. ;) |
| 20:02.07 | rahul | interesting |
| 20:02.08 | jelly | rahul: how many packages does it try to install at the moment? |
| 20:02.17 | rahul | jelly: it already installed them |
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| 20:02.21 | simonrvn | Supaplex: do it! do it! ;) |
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| 20:02.34 | jelly | rahul: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:02.38 | rahul | dpkg |
| 20:02.39 | rahul | actually |
| 20:03.06 | dondelelcaro | uh... dpkg doesn't have a dynamic mmap |
| 20:03.06 | Supaplex | !say rahul: WAAAAAHHHhhhhhhhwwwwwwWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHhhhhhh. ;) |
| 20:03.06 | dpkg | rahul: WAAAAAHHHhhhhhhhwwwwwwWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHhhhhhh. ;) |
| 20:03.08 | jelly | rahul: hm, then obviously setting an apt option won't help |
| 20:03.16 | Supaplex | hehe. I'll stop now. |
| 20:03.22 | rahul | yeah |
| 20:03.26 | dondelelcaro | (nor would it be executing apt-listchanges) |
| 20:03.32 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 20:03.33 | rahul | dondelelcaro: that was when I used aptitude |
| 20:03.46 | rahul | but apt-listchanges has the problem from dpkg |
| 20:03.46 | jelly | rahul: can you paste the exact command you ran and whole output? |
| 20:03.51 | rahul | http://paste.debian.net/38295 |
| 20:03.56 | pipatron | Ok guys, that USB drive, it worked after a reboot. |
| 20:03.59 | rahul | ALL of it? |
| 20:04.02 | pipatron | Thanks for the help anyway! |
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| 20:04.05 | rahul | from the beginning? :) |
| 20:04.15 | jelly | pipatron: the windows way! :-) |
| 20:04.21 | pipatron | jelly: Yeah! |
| 20:04.24 | dondelelcaro | rahul: that's debtags runing apt-get |
| 20:04.35 | simonrvn | one upon a time, there was a star that exploded... |
| 20:04.49 | Supaplex | simonrvn: only once? |
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| 20:05.04 | jelly | dondelelcaro: deb-tags runs apt-get in postinst? o.O |
| 20:05.07 | rahul | once upon a time, my butt exploded |
| 20:05.18 | simonrvn | Supaplex: just talking about one little clump of gas that formed sol, so yeh ;) |
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| 20:05.47 | dondelelcaro | jelly: or something that depends on libapt, yes. |
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| 20:06.23 | simonrvn | rahul: me it was my stomach, but that's getting into tmi territory if i say anything more... |
| 20:06.29 | simonrvn | i think i do.. |
| 20:06.47 | widrone | See, dpkg has a dynamic mmap. I bet it even mooes like a cow. |
| 20:06.52 | rahul | hmm, for some reason, it suddenly did get to the point where I'm running out of room with an aptitude update |
| 20:07.01 | simonrvn | rm -f /var/lib/debtags/*.idx*\n debtags update --local |
| 20:07.07 | simonrvn | the essentials |
| 20:07.10 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
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| 20:07.22 | rahul | what is debtags anyway? |
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| 20:07.32 | jelly | dondelelcaro: I now have an excuse to write horrible stuff like that in our local packages! (see, Debian does it too) |
| 20:07.32 | rahul | hahaha |
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| 20:07.37 | simonrvn | keeps tracks of tags for packages |
| 20:07.41 | rahul | > apt-cache show debtags ..... E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 20:07.41 | Supaplex | if the moo cows, it's time to butcher it for dinner. |
| 20:07.43 | simonrvn | track* |
| 20:07.48 | dondelelcaro | rahul: it's a neat bit of kit that tells you about related packages |
| 20:08.11 | dondelelcaro | rahul: like if you wanted a www-browser that was written in c or something |
| 20:08.21 | jelly | rahul: so make it 33554432. |
| 20:08.22 | rahul | I see. |
| 20:08.24 | simonrvn | quite handy, also ept-cache is similarly handy for that |
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| 20:08.49 | rahul | I wonder if I should remove stable from my sources |
| 20:08.54 | jelly | rahul: 2^25 looks much nicer than 2^24! |
| 20:09.01 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:09.43 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:09.44 | rahul | wee |
| 20:09.55 | jelly | Supaplex: and etch-backports. |
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| 20:10.13 | tt | okay, Im going insane soon. Ive got (oh well not any more but you get the point) 60 GB of unallocated harddrive space that i want to partition and mount. Whats the easiest way to do that without any real gui? |
| 20:10.27 | Supaplex | a commandline of course |
| 20:10.29 | fredl | can I switch my webcam and tv card to be /dev/video1 and /dev/video0 instead of /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 ? |
| 20:10.36 | maddash | tt: parted |
| 20:10.50 | tt | maddash: Ill look into it. Thanks. |
| 20:10.53 | fredl | I'd like the tv card to be /dev/video0 because most tools expect it to be there. |
| 20:11.00 | widrone | rahul: I got this in one of my fstab since I ran out of room on a rather small root partition. "/usr/local/varaptfile /var/cache/apt/archives ext3 loop 0 0" |
| 20:11.00 | rahul | commented out stable, and it worked! |
| 20:11.02 | rahul | heh |
| 20:11.02 | Supaplex | fredl: udev might, device naming |
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| 20:11.20 | rahul | widrone: what root partition? |
| 20:11.23 | rahul | it's in /var |
| 20:11.28 | zOrK | what is the name of the debian with the latest kernel? |
| 20:11.36 | rahul | and what does apt archives have to do with this? |
| 20:11.39 | fredl | Supaplex, thought so, alright lemme check into that. |
| 20:11.47 | rahul | zOrK: unstable. |
| 20:11.51 | xoz | sid |
| 20:11.56 | maddash | lenny! |
| 20:11.58 | Supaplex | tt: yea parted :) oh, maddash said that. but you didn't ask 'how' (and yeah, grammar gestapo - my bad!) |
| 20:11.59 | zOrK | where can I get unstable from? |
| 20:12.09 | wols | debian distro size grews faster than cancer |
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| 20:12.18 | maddash | psych ward! |
| 20:12.27 | fredl | Supaplex, have any idea where to start looking how to do that? |
| 20:12.34 | zOrK | I have got a core 2 duo proc, should I get x86_64 or i386_ |
| 20:12.36 | wols | zOrK: you don't want to run unstable |
| 20:12.37 | Supaplex | zOrK: the internet. if you have to ask ... |
| 20:12.48 | atp | hi guys. is there a way to discover what fontconfig thinks the name of a truetype font is? |
| 20:12.52 | xoz | similar to how the mouse reproduce... debian packages follow fib sequence |
| 20:13.03 | qrck | all of a sudden i get kernel compile warnings with net/ipsec/bla* too many pointers to bla thing...anyone ? |
| 20:13.23 | Supaplex | fredl: /etc/udev/ (I think. I'm down to one openwrt router, no real debian box atm. rehashing...) |
| 20:13.27 | jelly | zOrK: etch, with backports. |
| 20:13.54 | atp | for example, i installed ttf-sil-ezra, a hebrew font. i need to know what it is called so i can set it to be the font for a terminal |
| 20:13.56 | xoz | zOrK: i386 |
| 20:13.59 | Supaplex | zOrK: 32bit is better supported, esp for desktops. |
| 20:14.08 | qrck | i installed libc6-dev and even the kernel-headers and even provided a MAKEFLAGS="-I /usr/src/linux" headers include option |
| 20:14.12 | xoz | atp: xlsfonts |
| 20:14.16 | maddash | xoz: mice don't follow the fib sequence |
| 20:14.19 | atp | xoz: thanks |
| 20:14.39 | widrone | rahul: Sorry, Im being confusing again. Just an example of mounting a looped filesystem just for the apt update running out of room situation. |
| 20:14.39 | zOrK | thanks.. |
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| 20:15.22 | jelly | zOrK: is it a laptop? |
| 20:15.22 | pickcoder | qrck: use make-kpkg |
| 20:15.30 | Max_- | jelly, valdyn, others... We were talking earlier about raid1... if there are spare drives installed (didn't know we could do that), and the system survives the fault, it will automatically start to copy to one of the spare drives. |
| 20:15.30 | rahul | widrone: that's not what happened |
| 20:15.31 | Max_- | "If there are spare disks |
| 20:15.31 | Max_- | available, and if the system (eg. SCSI drivers or IDE chipset etc.) survived the crash, |
| 20:15.31 | Max_- | reconstruction of the mirror will immediately begin on one of the spare disks, after detection |
| 20:15.31 | Max_- | of the drive fault. |
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| 20:15.35 | qrck | pickcoder: already using it |
| 20:15.36 | Max_- | oops |
| 20:15.37 | zOrK | jelly, nop |
| 20:15.39 | Max_- | sorry |
| 20:15.50 | atp | xoz: hm, it seems as though xlsfonts is for old school x bitmap fonts only... |
| 20:15.53 | qrck | pickcoder, that doesn't solve the problem ... |
| 20:15.58 | pickcoder | qrck: paste more info |
| 20:16.02 | rahul | so what are the cool kids using instead of grdb these days? |
| 20:16.09 | jelly | Max_-: yes, if you configure hot spares. |
| 20:16.10 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.43 | qrck | hrmmm, wait i'm compiling and the output i piped to a file, let it finish and i'll paste it to the paste server to show you |
| 20:16.44 | pipatron | :/ |
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| 20:17.24 | pickcoder | qrck: build errors are good, but so is info about your Debian version, libc version, gcc version, kernel version, etc |
| 20:17.25 | jelly | Max_-: it probably won't automatically reuse the replacement drive as a spare, you'll need to partition it and add the partitions to respective md devices |
| 20:17.41 | rahul | this is crap |
| 20:17.47 | xoz | atp: are you sure? |
| 20:17.54 | rahul | !grdb |
| 20:18.00 | qrck | pickcoder, ok i'll include them in the paste aswell then... |
| 20:18.04 | jelly | rahul: what is grdb? |
| 20:18.07 | atp | xoz: yes. xlsfonts gives old school X patterns, not fontconfig names. |
| 20:18.30 | rahul | "sets your Xresources from your gtk theme" |
| 20:18.30 | zOrK | is amd64 the same as x86_64? |
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| 20:18.40 | wols | zOrK: yes |
| 20:18.49 | rahul | xlsfonts uses X for fonts |
| 20:18.53 | rahul | gtk doesn't use X |
| 20:18.56 | atp | xoz: however, it appears there is a utility called fc-list in the fontconfig package (without a manpage, but whatever) that lists fonts... |
| 20:19.01 | wols | rahul: huh? |
| 20:19.03 | qrck | is it normal that some patches don't apply cleanly to the kernel-sources ? |
| 20:19.14 | rahul | wols: hnh. |
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| 20:19.17 | wols | qrck: no. debian kernel source |
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| 20:19.27 | wols | qrck: is it a debian kernel source? |
| 20:19.32 | atp | xoz: thanks for your help anyway. |
| 20:19.33 | qrck | wols: yes |
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| 20:19.39 | qrck | wols: that |
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| 20:19.45 | qrck | 's why i ask |
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| 20:19.53 | qrck | *schluck* |
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| 20:20.30 | qrck | i have another plain vanilla kernel snapshot available but didn't compile it yet |
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| 20:20.31 | sabanovski | how to add when somebody login in ssh on server. that insted off welcome mesage there is uptime |
| 20:20.32 | jelly | gotta love Microsoft, they have localized even font styles: Arial:style=Normal,obyčejné,Standard,Καυουιºά,Regular,Normaali,Normál,Normale,Standaard,Normalny,Обычный,Navadno,Arrunta |
| 20:20.32 | sabanovski | ? |
| 20:20.45 | Max_- | "but RAID will not allow you to recover from an accidental "rm -rf /"" I should probably not say this, but ... already happened ... >.< |
| 20:20.50 | atp | jelly: yeah, i noticed that too :) |
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| 20:21.06 | jelly | Max_-: that's what backups are for. |
| 20:21.11 | pipatron | Max_-: :D |
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| 20:21.29 | pipatron | Max_-: What filesystem do you use? |
| 20:21.32 | maddash | Max_-: you rm -rf / 'ed? |
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| 20:21.44 | wols | !pal maddash |
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| 20:21.50 | wols | !pal max rather |
| 20:22.01 | jelly | gosh darn, that "rm -rf . *" sure takes a long time... |
| 20:22.06 | Max_- | jelly : yes.. they said that in the howto to remind us to do backups even if we run raids... |
| 20:22.08 | ameyer | !pal dpkg |
| 20:22.11 | maddash | Max_-: libtrash |
| 20:22.25 | rahul | I don't want to lose my grdb! |
| 20:22.39 | Max_- | pipatron : was trying to debug some fat32 at that moment.. recovered the files with some windoze applications |
| 20:23.01 | Max_- | maddash : .. yes :P hihi but recovered as I said |
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| 20:23.15 | net_problem | hello |
| 20:23.30 | net_problem | i have a problem configuring my local network |
| 20:23.30 | jelly | Max_-: right. backup and raid1 solve different problems. |
| 20:23.38 | net_problem | all things seems to be ok |
| 20:23.58 | net_problem | but when i make "ping 192.168.0.11" i have this message : |
| 20:24.18 | net_problem | ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 20:24.23 | net_problem | any idea please !! |
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| 20:24.29 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:24.38 | jelly | net_problem: ls -ld `which ping` |
| 20:25.00 | net_problem | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 30736 2007-01-31 00:10 /bin/ping |
| 20:25.11 | xoz | net_problem: try ping localhost |
| 20:25.13 | jelly | ok, setuid is still there. good. |
| 20:25.13 | pickcoder | sabanovski: ~/.bash_profile |
| 20:25.25 | pickcoder | also /etc/skel/.bash_profile |
| 20:25.25 | net_problem | ok |
| 20:25.31 | ribnitz | if 16x specified dvd(-R) in an 18x dvd burner burn at an avg of 4.7x, what could be the culprit? |
| 20:25.34 | xoz | net_problem: and route -n |
| 20:25.34 | net_problem | i have normal ping to 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:25.45 | net_problem | ok |
| 20:25.46 | ribnitz | using growisofs? |
| 20:25.57 | net_problem | route to 192.168.0.0 is defined |
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| 20:26.07 | net_problem | and the gateway is 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:26.12 | jelly | net_problem: does the ping work as root? |
| 20:26.38 | jelly | net_problem: which release of Debian are you running? |
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| 20:26.43 | net_problem | no |
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| 20:26.49 | net_problem | but to localhost is ok |
| 20:26.56 | maddash | jelly: permissions aren't the problem |
| 20:27.05 | net_problem | i'm using debian etch |
| 20:27.07 | net_problem | 4 |
| 20:27.19 | jelly | maddash: I'm just paranoid that way :-) |
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| 20:27.25 | net_problem | kernel 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 20:27.49 | jelly | maddash: also, maybe it looks just a little bit like a nail |
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| 20:28.17 | net_problem | ?? |
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| 20:28.23 | net_problem | jelly ?? |
| 20:28.48 | net_problem | ok |
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| 20:28.51 | jelly | net_problem: it means I have no idea about the cause if it's not the permissions |
| 20:28.56 | xoz | net_problem: ifconfig eth0 has ip address? |
| 20:28.57 | net_problem | i have resolvedmyself the prolem |
| 20:29.06 | jelly | net_problem: what was it? |
| 20:29.16 | net_problem | the problem was the ipmasq deamon that was run in the machine |
| 20:29.29 | net_problem | i just have stopped it |
| 20:29.34 | net_problem | and it's fine !!! |
| 20:29.38 | net_problem | thanks for all |
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| 20:31.13 | jelly | !win net_problem |
| 20:31.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, net_problem! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 20:32.07 | net_problem | ;-) |
| 20:32.11 | net_problem | thanks !! |
| 20:32.18 | net_problem | see you |
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| 20:32.40 | maddash | "uname -a ; cat /proc/version": Linux nfkb 2.6.20.11 #1 Mon Sep 10 13:10:43 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux ///// Linux version 2.6.20.11 (root@nfkb) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070812 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-15)) #1 Mon Sep 10 13:10:43 EDT 2007 |
| 20:32.41 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.46 | maddash | whoooops |
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| 20:34.29 | sabanovski | 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /home/test/cronfiles/axis ///now how to do that it will start it as sun the server is up? this is to check for every 10 minutes i add this in crontab |
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| 20:34.56 | Marupa | is there a way to A) see which programs are using swap (or had used swap) and B) the last program to use swap, if A fails? |
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| 20:35.15 | Ace2016 | can i just ask why it says this is not #ubuntu in the topic? |
| 20:35.24 | ribnitz | Marupa: not that I know of. |
| 20:35.26 | pipatron | Ace2016: Sure |
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| 20:35.44 | xoz | #debian != #ubuntu |
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| 20:36.58 | ribnitz | Marupa: execpt in top display, you get the amount of virt mem used; that however does not have to be swapspace. |
| 20:37.06 | pickcoder | Ace2016: many ubuntu users come here trying to get help with problems that #unbutu won't/can't help with |
| 20:37.45 | pipatron | Like me |
| 20:37.51 | pipatron | But I got help anyway |
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| 20:38.09 | pipatron | You just have to make the suckers curious about the problem ;) |
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| 20:38.28 | Marupa | also, where would I go for generic tech questions? X3 |
| 20:38.34 | pipatron | Marupa: School |
| 20:38.37 | pickcoder | Marupa: #linux |
| 20:38.45 | pickcoder | or #hardware |
| 20:38.50 | xoz | like what? |
| 20:38.54 | pipatron | google |
| 20:38.56 | Marupa | ahh, the latter woudl be the most appropriate. |
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| 20:39.16 | Ramattack | Hi mates! |
| 20:39.31 | sf7_ | i cant record mic into audacity. can someone help me? |
| 20:39.44 | Ramattack | Does anyone know in wich consists a lvm snapshot??? I can't understand the snapshot concept |
| 20:40.19 | Ramattack | could anyone explain me please :) I need an explanation of this... don't understand what it does for obtaining a identical copy in so little time |
| 20:40.20 | ElDiabolo | Is there a list of NAS devices (such as the NSLU2) that are supported by debian? |
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| 20:40.42 | Max- | IDE, SCSI... IDE, SCSI... I know what IDE is and I've played once with an old SCSI thing... What we call SATA today, or sataII, are considered SCSI, right? |
| 20:40.53 | pickcoder | Ramattack: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html |
| 20:41.11 | ladydoor | Just out of curiosity, what does "passi" mean as a temperature output from acpitool? I got that a minute ago, and since it normally says "okay" this doesn't seem like good news (it currently tells me that the temp. is once more "ok" |
| 20:41.12 | Ramattack | I have read it... |
| 20:41.16 | ElDiabolo | Max-: No. |
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| 20:41.20 | Ramattack | but can't understand it... |
| 20:41.32 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 20:41.35 | Ramattack | how exactly it creates a identical partition in seconds... |
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| 20:41.44 | Ramattack | if you do a cp -R it lasts more... |
| 20:41.53 | Ramattack | what exactly does??? can't understand |
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| 20:42.35 | Greyscale | How can I fix this? http://pastebin.com/m78b734f6 Works fine running as root |
| 20:42.36 | fas3r | i use freeradius with EAP - TLS and i want to use DHCP .. but where i configure DHCP .. on my AP or directly on my freeradius gateway with dhcpd ? |
| 20:42.45 | pickcoder | a snapshot is a recording of changes |
| 20:42.49 | odla | is there any data available for debian showing number of gnome, kde, and xfce users? |
| 20:42.54 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: It does not make a copy. |
| 20:42.55 | pickcoder | not duplication of media |
| 20:42.57 | Greyscale | ladydoor, passive. |
| 20:43.13 | Greyscale | usually anyway |
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| 20:43.25 | Ramattack | and then how could you take that snapshot and mount it in another partition and obtain the same disk space occupied |
| 20:43.45 | Max- | ElDiabolo : so they are considered as IDE, or is this something completely different? Because I'm reading the Software-RAID-HOWTO and it talks a lot about ide and scsi.. now I'm on sata, so i'm not sure what part I should give attention, scsi or ide. |
| 20:44.17 | jelly | Ramattack: it doesn't create a copy as such, it only stores the changes made on the filesystem in some other place. |
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| 20:44.45 | pipatron | lvm <3 |
| 20:44.53 | ladydoor | graytron: Interesting. Does it mean anything in particular when you see such output (i.e., is it something that needs to be fixed?) |
| 20:44.54 | ElDiabolo | Max-: It is sth. different, but I don't know how the linux kernel treats them. |
| 20:45.03 | Ramattack | so if I don't make any change on the filesystem the snapshot will be zero? |
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| 20:45.09 | pipatron | Ramattack: Yeah |
| 20:45.15 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: Yes |
| 20:45.23 | Max- | okay... |
| 20:45.24 | Ramattack | and later how could I mount it??? |
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| 20:45.27 | pipatron | Max-: sata is pretty much IDE |
| 20:45.31 | pipatron | Ramattack: Mount it like a normal device |
| 20:45.35 | Max- | pipatron : thanks. |
| 20:45.36 | Ramattack | yes yes |
| 20:45.41 | Ramattack | I have done it |
| 20:45.56 | pipatron | Stop asking questions about it then :P |
| 20:46.01 | Ramattack | but how could I mount a thing whose size is 0??? |
| 20:46.08 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: It tricks the mapping of blocks to the device. |
| 20:46.13 | pipatron | Ramattack: Just mount it |
| 20:46.27 | Ramattack | but... imagine |
| 20:46.36 | Ramattack | I'm going to make a snapshot... ok? |
| 20:46.38 | pipatron | Yeah |
| 20:46.54 | Ramattack | and while I do the snapshot file /etc/postfix/main.cf is changed |
| 20:46.55 | Nyle | piper |
| 20:46.57 | Ramattack | for example |
| 20:47.00 | pipatron | Ramattack: Yeah |
| 20:47.02 | Ramattack | ok? |
| 20:47.04 | Ramattack | and later... |
| 20:47.12 | Ramattack | modify more... |
| 20:47.14 | Ramattack | and more... |
| 20:47.14 | pipatron | Yes |
| 20:47.20 | Ramattack | this same file saving changes |
| 20:47.23 | Ramattack | later... |
| 20:47.32 | pipatron | I get your point :) |
| 20:47.38 | Ramattack | I mount the snapshot in /backups |
| 20:47.45 | pipatron | Yes |
| 20:48.27 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: As long as you have not overwritten any blocks from the snapshot and you have the snapshots block -> device mapping, the snapshot still exists. |
| 20:48.39 | Ramattack | how damn could be this mount!!! and /backups size is the correct size?? and what I will I obtain as main.cf??? how does it wich block number know the state of a concrect file...??? |
| 20:48.54 | pipatron | :D |
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| 20:49.00 | pipatron | LVM lies between |
| 20:49.03 | pipatron | Doing the magic |
| 20:49.08 | jelly | Ramattack: do you know what is a block device? |
| 20:49.12 | Ramattack | I have overwritten them!! I have modified the file main.cf several times.... |
| 20:49.27 | Ramattack | and is not deleted so it will be stored in same block number isn't it? |
| 20:49.31 | pipatron | Ramattack: No |
| 20:49.36 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: No. |
| 20:49.38 | Ramattack | jelly, perhaps... yes or no... lol |
| 20:49.42 | pipatron | Ramattack: Because when you modify something that's in a snapshot, LVM will move it |
| 20:49.51 | jelly | !cow |
| 20:49.51 | dpkg | [cow] a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
| 20:49.53 | pipatron | Ramattack: So your file is now occupying two blocks, one old and one new |
| 20:50.00 | jelly | meh |
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| 20:50.10 | Absolute0 | !enter |
| 20:50.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 20:50.17 | ladydoor | Greyscale: Sorry, this was supposed to be to you a minute ago...does it mean that I need to fix something when it displays that? It's just that it was in the spot where it normally just says "ok," which seems like it would be an issue. |
| 20:50.48 | Ramattack | so lvm does never delete a block then? |
| 20:50.56 | Ramattack | or modify?? |
| 20:51.03 | Ramattack | it always add used blocks??? |
| 20:51.09 | pipatron | Ramattack: No |
| 20:51.16 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: lvm does never delete or modify a block in a snapshot. |
| 20:51.38 | jelly | draw him an example ffs. |
| 20:51.38 | Ramattack | the snapshot and as a snapshot we're talking about the file generated? |
| 20:51.46 | jelly | examples rule. |
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| 20:52.21 | pipatron | /join #very-simple-concepts-that-i-do-not-grasp |
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| 20:53.48 | jelly | Ramattack: Let's say you have a volume group with 8 physical blocks, numbered 1-8. Now let's say you create a volume on it, 4 blocks large, and it occupies blocks 1,2,3 and 4. |
| 20:53.51 | Ramattack | a block device is a device such as hard disk |
| 20:54.06 | Ramattack | yes |
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| 20:54.07 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: Not really. |
| 20:54.08 | maddash | whoa cool, wifi onboard! |
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| 20:54.30 | zenwryly | If I write a changed version of a file back to the file, for example "cat /some/file | sometransform > /some/file", does the fs and/or block device rewirte *all* the blocks for the file, or is a check done somewhere to write only the changed blocks? |
| 20:54.32 | jelly | Ramattack: block device is any device presented to the userspace as a contigouos array of blocks. |
| 20:54.39 | Viper550 | what's the best US debian archive mirror? |
| 20:54.46 | maddash | Viper550: apt-spy |
| 20:54.52 | maddash | !tell Viper550 about apt-spy |
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| 20:54.54 | Greyscale | ftp.debian.org ? |
| 20:55.06 | Ramattack | and blocks ar place where data is stored yep... |
| 20:55.06 | wols | Greyscale: never |
| 20:55.06 | jelly | Ramattack: it can be a partition, or a file, or a ramdisk, or a lvm volume. |
| 20:55.08 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: You give it a number and you get a block. |
| 20:55.12 | maddash | !tell Viper550 about apt-spy and the wonders of voyeurism |
| 20:55.23 | Viper550 | uhh, but I'm in the installer |
| 20:55.31 | Ramattack | jelly, |
| 20:55.39 | Ramattack | what's not really? |
| 20:55.43 | maddash | Viper550: then any random one. I go with the indiana one. |
| 20:55.47 | wols | !tell Viper550 about sources.list |
| 20:55.54 | Viper550 | I know about APT and all that. |
| 20:56.03 | orlandoj | i am looking for an package that an ex-Red Hat user is request me: vim-enhanced. |
| 20:56.08 | maddash | woo, I got banned from #ubuntu! new record! |
| 20:56.20 | ElDiabolo | Ramattack: It is not necessarily a physical device. |
| 20:56.22 | orlandoj | is the vim-full package compatibility ? |
| 20:56.24 | pickcoder | Viper550: kernel.org |
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| 20:56.37 | pickcoder | else use one of the debian.org mirrors |
| 20:56.42 | pipatron | maddash: wtf, what did you do? |
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| 20:57.06 | pipatron | orlandoj: You can never trust an ex-Red Hat user |
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| 20:57.18 | Ramattack | mates please could you finish with that example?? was totally clear... I was understanding it... :) :) |
| 20:57.27 | jelly | Ramattack: now lets say you create a filesystem on the volume, and you put files A, B and C on it. Lets say file A occupies block 1 on the volume, file B occupies block 2 and file C occupies block 3. Now you umount, create a snapshot, and continue working. |
| 20:57.32 | maddash | pipatron: 16:36:37 <maddash> LjL: you're not going to "!language"? hypocrite. <-- apparently, I hurt his feelings. |
| 20:57.38 | pipatron | maddash: aww |
| 20:57.45 | maddash | pipatron: heheh |
| 20:57.53 | orlandoj | pipatron, hehe he is looking for in the Debian an colored vim. |
| 20:57.55 | orlandoj | :D |
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| 20:58.02 | pipatron | orlandoj: vim-fll |
| 20:58.07 | humbolto | can a zip archive save unix permissions? |
| 20:58.12 | pipatron | orlandoj: ":syntax on" |
| 20:58.19 | pipatron | orlandoj: ":colorscheme elflord" |
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| 20:58.26 | Ramattack | jelly, but snapshots are useful because of the possibility of doing live backups aren't they?? so why should I umount it? |
| 20:58.32 | pipatron | orlandoj: vim-full even |
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| 20:58.38 | null | Question: I commented tftp from /etc/inetd.conf and restarted inetd with /etc/init.d/inetd reload/restart/stop/start, but tftp is still running. Any idea why? |
| 20:58.43 | maddash | humbolto: yes. |
| 20:59.05 | humbolto | when I want to extract a single file from a tar.bz2, that would mean to uncompress the whole thing first, right? |
| 20:59.14 | jelly | Ramattack: now, if you edit file C and save the changes, LVM will not put the changes into block 3, but will put the changes into block 5, and keep track that the volume now uses blocks 1, 2, 5 and 4. The snapshot still uses blocks 1, 2, 3 and 4. |
| 20:59.15 | wols | null: a open connection? |
| 20:59.26 | sabanovski | connect: Network is unreachable |
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| 20:59.32 | sabanovski | server cant conect to internet |
| 20:59.32 | maddash | humbolto: no, it would mean to uncompress the long thing first |
| 20:59.38 | sabanovski | what is the problame how to find out? |
| 20:59.46 | wols | sabanovski: NIC driver loaded? IP assigned? |
| 20:59.46 | maddash | humbolto: wtf are you asking? just `tar xjf` |
| 20:59.54 | Max- | SCA are some kind of new SCSI, no? |
| 21:00.11 | sabanovski | everyting is normal i think. i ssh it from local box |
| 21:00.12 | wols | yes |
| 21:00.23 | Ramattack | jelly, and what exactly happens when you are trying to backup a live production server (don't know imagine a mail server) and you do a live snaphot? |
| 21:00.25 | maddash | humbolto: or if you're on a true UNIX, then, "bunzip2 [blah] ; tar -xf [blah]" |
| 21:00.31 | pickcoder | sabanovski: pastebin route |
| 21:00.32 | Ramattack | it does changes in another blocks? |
| 21:00.34 | Ramattack | too? |
| 21:00.57 | sabanovski | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:01.02 | sabanovski | ? |
| 21:01.11 | humbolto | which archive format to use to most effectively compress files, while effectively means, that retreiving one file from the archive does not mean decompressing the whole archive first. |
| 21:01.21 | jelly | Ramattack: yes. this is called copy-on-write. The changes are written to some other physical space, but LVM makes the new blocks and the unchanged ones look like they're part of the same volume. |
| 21:01.29 | pickcoder | that's all that it shows? |
| 21:01.48 | sabanovski | yes |
| 21:01.52 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 21:01.52 | sabanovski | i mean |
| 21:01.54 | sabanovski | wait |
| 21:02.02 | stew | Max-: its a 10 year old scsi connector type (80 pins that include power) |
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| 21:02.12 | maddash | hm, someone should write a pastebin.ca script for the lovelies who are stuck on cli or too lazy to fire up firefox |
| 21:02.24 | wols | !pastewithoutx |
| 21:02.25 | dpkg | i heard pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 21:02.34 | Ramattack | and when you delete a file imagine for example a backup of a live production mail server in wich people is always downloading mail, inserting new one in queeue.... many changes... are always used new blocks then? |
| 21:02.37 | humbolto | maddash: I was assuming, tar.bz2 is a bz2 compressed tar archive, so uncompressing a single file would mean, first uncompressing the whole archive. only then you could extract a single file from the tar archive. Is that right? |
| 21:02.39 | Ramattack | on the same filesystem? |
| 21:02.50 | pipatron | Ramattack: Backing up a live system is not really recommended though. You should shut the services down, take a snapshot, then start the servers, and then take backup |
| 21:02.52 | jelly | Ramattack: so if you use your changed volume, you'll see blocks 1,2,5,4 and therefore files A, B and the changed file C. But if you mount the old snapshot, you'll see original blocks 1,2,3,4 and file A, B and original C that's still present (in block 3). |
| 21:02.58 | sabanovski | http://paste.debian.net/38301 |
| 21:03.06 | maddash | wols: way tooo troublesome. what if I don't even want to fireup a browser? |
| 21:03.12 | dondelelcaro | humbolto: it'd mean uncompressing until you get to the file, yes. |
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| 21:03.21 | stew | humbolto: no, "tar xvjf archivename filename" extracts a single file and it doesn't require uncompressing the entire arvchive |
| 21:03.28 | pickcoder | sabanovski: you don't have a default gateway configured for eth0 |
| 21:03.33 | sabanovski | hmm |
| 21:03.35 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:03.56 | pickcoder | or if you are using dhcp, try reloading the interface |
| 21:03.58 | sabanovski | it was configured i restarted box today 10 times every time worked and now when i restarted doesnt work anymore |
| 21:03.58 | sabanovski | lol |
| 21:03.59 | sabanovski | :D |
| 21:04.01 | humbolto | dondelelcaro, stew: that explains it perfectly thanks. |
| 21:04.02 | Ramattack | jelly, pipatron but then lvm doesn't finish it available blocks?? |
| 21:04.02 | maddash | humbolto: only if you're stuck on true UNIX; gnu (aka linux) tar has the '-j' which pulls your stuff out in one fell swoop |
| 21:04.03 | sabanovski | i dont have dhcp |
| 21:04.15 | maddash | humbolto: man tar. also look for -z. |
| 21:04.15 | pickcoder | you need a gateway statement in interfaces |
| 21:04.21 | jelly | Ramattack: what? |
| 21:04.24 | Ramattack | because if it never deletes and always adds, if you modify or delete or anything? thasn't this happen?? |
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| 21:04.57 | pipatron | Ramattack: it will only keep two separate versions of each modified block |
| 21:05.03 | null | wols: I killed it, did a tftp localhost, and connected to myself again. It somehow started up again. |
| 21:05.08 | moprilo | hi, i downloaded debian latest version and on install it acted weird when getting the package manager, so installed the basic only. when finished i changed the sources.list and did upgrade with all the right sources, but now, things like 'lspci' are not in the sistem |
| 21:05.13 | moprilo | system . |
| 21:05.19 | pipatron | moprilo: So install lspci |
| 21:05.45 | jelly | Ramattack: if you delete a file it's the exact same thing as if you've changed it. the new filesystem sees the deletion, and the snapshot stays the same. |
| 21:05.46 | sabanovski | the |
| 21:05.52 | sabanovski | interfaces look normaly |
| 21:06.06 | pickcoder | sabanovski: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 21:06.21 | maddash | pickcoder: that's stupid. what if ifdown fails? |
| 21:06.31 | sabanovski | http://rafb.net/p/0EY9mM53.html |
| 21:06.32 | Ramattack | pipatron, but then if I do a snapshot today and want to use it... don't know two months later... those blocks... will be deleted?? I suppose in two months that blocks could be modified more than twice... and if you delete a file what happens there?? |
| 21:06.34 | moprilo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.39 | maddash | pickcoder: eg, what if he never ifup'ed in the first place? |
| 21:06.40 | pickcoder | then ifup won't be called |
| 21:06.42 | jelly | Ramattack: so yes, you can't create lots of snapshots or keep them indefinitely because you'll eventuall run out of space to keep the changes. |
| 21:06.46 | pickcoder | so why is it "stupid" |
| 21:07.01 | pickcoder | maddash: b/c route says so |
| 21:07.04 | YGingras | any debian integrator of python packages? Distutils don't provide a clean way to install data. What is the debian maintainer favorite way to include data in a python package? |
| 21:07.08 | humbolto | maddash: but as dondelelcaro with either -z and -j tar would read/uncompress until it reaches the file. |
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| 21:07.11 | sabanovski | how to restart interfaces? |
| 21:07.11 | maddash | pickcoder: because he wants his interfaces up more than he wants a full restart? |
| 21:07.12 | pipatron | Ramattack: Also, ecah active snapshot will make your system slower |
| 21:07.26 | humbolto | dondelelcaro, stew, maddash: how about zip then? does it have to read through the whole thing as well, or does it do some per file magic? |
| 21:07.27 | maddash | humbolto: and your point? |
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| 21:07.54 | maddash | humbolto: oh, you want to pull out a particular file, as opposed to the entire archive? |
| 21:08.04 | sabanovski | http://rafb.net/p/MQqOj466.html |
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| 21:08.09 | Ramattack | pipatron, jelly ao imagine.... |
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| 21:08.10 | maddash | humbolto: tar actually extracts to /tmp. like unzip. |
| 21:08.15 | Ramattack | I do a snapshot today |
| 21:08.16 | fas3r | i use freeradius with EAP - TLS and i want to use DHCP .. but where i configure DHCP .. on my AP or it's possible i use directly on my gateway a dhcpd server ? |
| 21:08.21 | Ramattack | and don't delete it... |
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| 21:08.44 | pipatron | Ramattack: Ok. |
| 21:08.44 | stew | humbolto: "unzip archivename filename" it probably needs to really only decompress the bit you asked for isntead of everything up to, like tar + {gzip,bzip2} does |
| 21:08.44 | maddash | sabanovski: what pickcoder suggested, but replace && with ; |
| 21:08.48 | pickcoder | sabanovski: do you have a link on the card? |
| 21:08.49 | jelly | Ramattack: please write in complete sentences. |
| 21:08.53 | humbolto | maddash: one file exactly. and I want to extract it as CPU extensive as possible. |
| 21:09.15 | maddash | humbolto: then you're out of luck if you use tar/unzip |
| 21:09.21 | sabanovski | i m sshing server |
| 21:09.26 | sabanovski | link must be:p |
| 21:09.39 | pickcoder | no via eth0 you're not |
| 21:09.45 | sabanovski | hmm |
| 21:09.47 | Ramattack | well a snapshot is really a situation of how one device was..... so then those blocks won't be modified then? till I delete the snapshot?? or be modified? they will stay there for ever unouchable? for being able to become back then??? |
| 21:09.51 | sabanovski | reboot the server? |
| 21:09.55 | pickcoder | why not |
| 21:09.59 | sabanovski | k |
| 21:10.04 | pipatron | Ramattack: Yes, until you delete the snapshot |
| 21:10.28 | pipatron | Ramattack: And when you create a snapshot you have to say something like, "I want this snapshot to be able to store 1GB of changed files" |
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| 21:10.44 | Ramattack | so its like to set read only permissions to some blocks? and copy all of them for write permissions in another blocks for continuing using filesystem?? |
| 21:10.45 | pipatron | Ramattack: When you get more than 1GB of changes, it will crap out and die and kill a kitten |
| 21:10.47 | pickcoder | Ramattack: there are two versions of snapshots |
| 21:10.51 | pipatron | Ramattack: Exactly! |
| 21:10.55 | pickcoder | read-only's were implemented in LVM1 |
| 21:11.01 | pickcoder | read/write were implemented in LVM2 |
| 21:11.05 | pickcoder | read-only's aren't modified |
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| 21:11.35 | Ramattack | well they can be modified when snapshot is mounted... but not any other way isn't it? |
| 21:11.52 | Ramattack | the actual filesystem.. you're using can't go there and modify nothing isn't it?? |
| 21:11.59 | sabanovski | a delited motd? but that should not infect eth0? |
| 21:11.59 | sabanovski | :P |
| 21:12.07 | pickcoder | Ramattack: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshotintro.html |
| 21:12.31 | sabanovski | SIOCADDRT:network is unreachable failed to bring up eth0 |
| 21:12.40 | pickcoder | sabanovski: you have something misconfigured |
| 21:12.46 | pickcoder | pastebin your interfaces file |
| 21:12.51 | sabanovski | k |
| 21:13.00 | pickcoder | <or your nic driver isn't loaded> |
| 21:13.13 | jair_ | hello guys, I have a system configured with two hard disks "sda" and "sdb" |
| 21:13.17 | pickcoder | dmesg should tell you if it was detected |
| 21:13.20 | pickcoder | brb |
| 21:13.37 | pipatron | jair_: Sounds great |
| 21:13.39 | jair_ | in sda I have linux debian installed and the second disk is free sdb |
| 21:13.49 | pipatron | jair_: col |
| 21:13.56 | Ramattack | pipatron, what did you say about more than 1 gb?that only could be stored 1 gb of blocks total? |
| 21:14.09 | jair_ | my question is pipatron can i add that sdb to the existing volume group and grow the home and the "/"? |
| 21:14.29 | Ramattack | pickcoder, now reading that is like another world... quite more clear... lol |
| 21:14.30 | sabanovski | http://rafb.net/p/7YFC3Z86.html |
| 21:14.32 | sabanovski | here it is |
| 21:15.08 | pipatron | jair_: 'pcreate /dev/sdb', 'vgextend vg0 /dev/sdb', 'lvextend +L10g /dev/vg0/home', 'resize2fs /dev/vg0/home' etc |
| 21:15.10 | jair | pipatron: can i do that create the sdb a lv |
| 21:15.21 | pipatron | *pvcreate |
| 21:15.41 | maddash | sabanovski: are you sure your netmask is set correctly? |
| 21:15.47 | sabanovski | hmm |
| 21:15.49 | sabanovski | i used dhcp |
| 21:15.54 | maddash | sabanovski: and your gateway is the broadcast addr |
| 21:15.57 | maddash | sabanovski: way to go |
| 21:15.58 | pipatron | jair: Assuming you know what I'm talking about... you can't use those lines exactly as I typed them. |
| 21:15.59 | sabanovski | and than when i get ips i set them up to static |
| 21:16.12 | jair | pipatron: you are my heroe :) |
| 21:16.20 | jair | pipatron: i knew i could do it |
| 21:16.20 | sabanovski | so should be corect |
| 21:16.42 | jair | pipatron: now, should i do it off line? with a live cd or it is ok do it online? |
| 21:16.44 | sabanovski | bcast is gateway? |
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| 21:16.56 | pickcoder | sabanovski: are you on 4.0/etch? |
| 21:17.08 | maddash | sabanovski: the gateway shouldn't be 255 |
| 21:17.13 | ElDiabolo | jair: Your linux installation _is_ on a lv, is it? |
| 21:17.19 | D4N` | Hi |
| 21:17.25 | jair | ElDiabolo: yes it is |
| 21:17.28 | pipatron | ElDiabolo: Hehe, good question :P |
| 21:17.34 | maddash | sabanovski: because 255 is bcast |
| 21:17.35 | Ramattack | but wait a minute... if I do a snapshot and that blocks are frozen... those all block should have to be copied to another blocks for being able the system to continue working and being able to write in filesystem??? how this copy of all blocks doesn't last almost nothing??? |
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| 21:17.48 | ElDiabolo | jair: You actually said it was on sda :) |
| 21:17.49 | sabanovski | inet addr:192.168.1.101 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 what should i change here |
| 21:17.49 | sabanovski | ? |
| 21:17.52 | DrthHmstr | sup? |
| 21:18.07 | pipatron | Ramattack: When you create the snapshot nothing has to be copied because the snapshot is identical to the original |
| 21:18.07 | maddash | sabanovski: replace "gateway" with "broadcast" |
| 21:18.10 | DrthHmstr | that's a secret |
| 21:18.14 | D4N` | private |
| 21:18.19 | pipatron | Ramattack: It's just when you start changing something that it has to copy a block |
| 21:18.21 | ElDiabolo | jair: Is /etc on the lv? |
| 21:18.28 | jair | I will paste here what i have => http://rafb.net/p/GUXqDm48.html |
| 21:18.30 | sabanovski | maddash how to do that? |
| 21:18.35 | jair | ElDiabolo: http://rafb.net/p/GUXqDm48.html |
| 21:18.44 | maddash | sabanovski: using a text editor |
| 21:18.47 | jair | pipatron: that link shows what i have my friends :) |
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| 21:19.03 | stew | sabanovski: no, don't replace 'gateway' with 'broadcast', insead change '192.168.1.255' to the ip address of your router |
| 21:19.03 | Ramattack | ohhh I see.... so all filesystem "becomes" read-only and when you want to write on it... new blocks are created??? |
| 21:19.09 | sabanovski | ok |
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| 21:19.31 | stew | sabanovski: do you know the ip address of your router/gateway? it is likely to be 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:19.36 | sabanovski | yes |
| 21:19.38 | sabanovski | 1 it is |
| 21:19.45 | pickcoder | or 254 |
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| 21:19.53 | stew | sabanovski: just change the 255 to a 1 then, broadcast shouldn't appear in that file |
| 21:19.58 | pickcoder | sabanovski: if you are on Etch, you should remove the hotplug statement |
| 21:20.07 | Ramattack | or modify one of those "read-only" files? |
| 21:20.08 | sabanovski | i replaced it now what |
| 21:20.10 | sabanovski | ? |
| 21:20.10 | maddash | stew: "broadcast" is fine. |
| 21:20.16 | Ramattack | imagine... |
| 21:20.22 | maddash | stew: ifupdown defaults to 1 for the gateway |
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| 21:20.30 | Ramattack | I take now in this moment a snapshot of my hard disk |
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| 21:20.37 | maddash | sabanovski: save the file and `ifdown ; ifup ` |
| 21:20.42 | stew | maddash: there is no reason to specify broadcast unless you are doing somehting non-standard. |
| 21:20.47 | cmanns | Whats 2680 statd 25 0 13652 8820 564 S 100 0.4 3453:40 rpc.statd |
| 21:20.52 | stew | maddash: ifupdown defaults to not having a gateway |
| 21:21.03 | jair | pipatron: ElDiabolo here => http://rafb.net/p/Rfx5JP18.html |
| 21:21.07 | ElDiabolo | jair: Having /etc with the lvm information on the lvm was dangerous, I am not shure if this is still true. |
| 21:21.10 | maddash | stew: really? let me test it out. brb. |
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| 21:21.37 | Ramattack | someblocks will be frozen... and the files would be readable but they can't be modified because of the snapshot... and only could be modified mounting snapshot in a new partition and using lvm2 that allows write snapshots??? isn't it???? |
| 21:21.58 | sabanovski | ok |
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| 21:22.01 | sabanovski | internet works now |
| 21:22.01 | Ramattack | when one of those files need to be replaced or anything a new block will be created... |
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| 21:22.04 | Ramattack | is this ok?? |
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| 21:22.52 | pipatron | Ramattack: I'm bored of your questions now :( |
| 21:23.00 | maddash | stew's right, folks. |
| 21:23.08 | pickcoder | stew++ |
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| 21:23.17 | sabanovski | now works everyting ok. can somebody tall me why this happend? before with 192.168.1.255 worked ok. |
| 21:23.18 | sabanovski | ? |
| 21:23.20 | sabanovski | :P |
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| 21:23.57 | Ramattack | pipatron, sorry.... I'll try to read something over there... and if I understand all this doubts... |
| 21:23.58 | smhar | is it possible to mount an extenal ftp site in my local desktop? |
| 21:23.59 | stew | sabanovski: in your case 192.168.1.255 is the 'broadcast' address, which kinda means "send it to everybody" since your router is part of "everybody" it happened to work |
| 21:24.20 | sf7_ | can anyone help me get my mic working? |
| 21:24.27 | maddash | stew: and then? |
| 21:24.36 | stew | maddash: and then what? |
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| 21:24.42 | Ramattack | thanks a lot for you're explanations... |
| 21:24.49 | maddash | stew: why did it stop working? |
| 21:25.00 | sabanovski | hmm |
| 21:25.02 | tokyoeye | anyone know what mediatemple is running? xen on debian? xen on centos? |
| 21:25.02 | Ramattack | pipatron, jelly and other thanks a lot mates :) |
| 21:25.03 | sabanovski | ok |
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| 21:25.13 | sf7_ | Sound Recorder wont record, neither will audacity. ive enabled mic in 'volume control'. |
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| 21:25.15 | stew | maddash: i wouldn't know without actually seeing the routing table |
| 21:25.23 | pickcoder | maddash: gateway = .255 |
| 21:25.28 | brix` | hi |
| 21:25.33 | jelly | Ramattack: you're welcome |
| 21:25.45 | maddash | pickcoder: 17:23:17 <sabanovski> now works everyting ok. can somebody tall me why this happend? before with 192.168.1.255 worked ok. |
| 21:25.47 | ribnitz | pickcoder: thats usually broadcast. |
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| 21:25.55 | pickcoder | ribnitz: yup |
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| 21:25.59 | sf7_ | AlsaMixer shows like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/EM1fLCS.html --- i cant alter mic properties in it. |
| 21:26.00 | brix` | people, i'm trying to get a GLX support with my NVidia card but it's not working. i tried downloading the kernel driver from the site, but it does not compile; and it seems Debian lenny does not have the correct driver for my kernel. |
| 21:26.02 | pickcoder | that's not what was in his interfaces config |
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| 21:26.15 | pickcoder | "gateway" should have been "broadcast" |
| 21:26.22 | ribnitz | pickcoder: 0 is netowrs, gateways often are like 1 or so... |
| 21:26.22 | brix` | then i tried to change the X driver for my card, using "nv" instead of "nvidia", and using extension "GLcore" instead of "glx", but the log says "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)" |
| 21:26.24 | maddash | yeah, I rule. |
| 21:26.29 | brix` | but why is it looking for an nvidia X driver? or is it an nvidia glx extension? in both cases, Xorg should not care about my card! i want to use mesa's glx! |
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| 21:26.45 | brix` | thanks in advance.. i'm desperate! |
| 21:26.50 | brix` | my advisor will kill me :-P |
| 21:26.54 | ElDiabolo | Is there a NSLU2 with more RAM? |
| 21:27.03 | ribnitz | brix`: got nvidia-glx? |
| 21:27.04 | maddash | stew: then as far as you're concerned, your "explanation" isn't even the right one |
| 21:27.05 | sabanovski | is this ok now? and what is lo? http://rafb.net/p/iR0U7A18.html |
| 21:27.14 | maddash | sabanovski: loopback. don't touch. |
| 21:27.17 | stew | maddash: huh? |
| 21:27.20 | sabanovski | ok:P |
| 21:27.26 | maddash | 17:23:58 <stew> sabanovski: in your case 192.168.1.255 is the 'broadcast' address, which kinda means "send it to everybody" since your router is part of "everybody" it happened to work |
| 21:28.01 | pickcoder | maddash: you were both correct.. the problem was no defined default gateway |
| 21:28.12 | jair | pipatron: so I can't do it because I have "/" in the vg? |
| 21:28.15 | pickcoder | instead the broadcast address was put in the gateway field |
| 21:28.16 | stew | maddash: and i wouldn't be suprised if this sometimes worked sometimes didn't. i wouldn't be suprised if, for instance, this worked until another node showed up on the subnet. |
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| 21:28.24 | brix` | ribnitz, no, it does not install it because of a pseudo-conflict ("diversion") |
| 21:28.27 | brix` | :| |
| 21:28.34 | stew | but i don't really see why it matters much |
| 21:28.34 | maddash | pickcoder: but I want to know why it STOPPED working |
| 21:28.43 | ribnitz | brix`: ah... |
| 21:28.44 | pickcoder | maddash: who can tell with broadcast |
| 21:28.46 | brix` | everything is against me to avoid installing this damned driver! |
| 21:28.47 | jair | ElDiabolo: so next time I should partition my disk in a way i have space left for LVM plus other disks |
| 21:28.50 | sabanovski | i did reboot that is it |
| 21:28.52 | pickcoder | maybe the switch got reset |
| 21:29.00 | ribnitz | brix`: what do you need glx for, anyway? |
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| 21:29.05 | brix` | ribnitz, i would be happy with mesa's drivers |
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| 21:29.16 | brix` | ribnitz, plotting 3d graphics with octave |
| 21:29.38 | ElDiabolo | jair: I would not put / on a lvm. Call me a coward :) |
| 21:30.00 | ribnitz | jair: about 200M for boot; rest for LVM. |
| 21:30.02 | maddash | stew: then you'd have confusion between which one of the nodes is actually the gateway? |
| 21:30.22 | pipatron | I use / on lvm, it's great |
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| 21:30.33 | pipatron | If you want to resize it, just boot from a live-cd or something |
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| 21:30.46 | ElDiabolo | jair: Actually my objection to lvm is that I never had to do a recovery of a lvm system yet. |
| 21:30.59 | stew | maddash: then a node that isn't the gateway might start sending RSTs or ICMP not reachable |
| 21:31.00 | ribnitz | pipatron: why would you resize /? |
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| 21:31.35 | jair | I see |
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| 21:31.49 | sabanovski | where is the log of shuting down and starting computer? |
| 21:31.52 | tokyoeye | ElDiabolo, never an fsck? |
| 21:31.57 | jelly | ribnitz: it got too small? |
| 21:32.03 | brix` | what is wrong with using "nv" video driver plus "GLcore" extension, if i want to use mesa glx implementation? |
| 21:32.06 | xand | sabanovski: try /var/log/messages |
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| 21:32.28 | ElDiabolo | tokyoeye: fsck is not a recovery. |
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| 21:32.43 | ribnitz | jelly: What is there big on /? /etc? |
| 21:33.03 | sabanovski | ok |
| 21:33.08 | jelly | ribnitz: /tmp could be there for example |
| 21:33.22 | pipatron | ribnitz: why not resize /? |
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| 21:33.29 | ribnitz | jelly: that is in tmpfs, and gets reset every boot. |
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| 21:34.07 | guiss | Hi guys. Anyone knows how to pass an "El torito" boot image to genisoimage? Everytime I put some image i got with geteltorito I get "genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot image 'torito' !" |
| 21:34.24 | jelly | ribnitz: ah, I didn't know you and pipatron were accessing the same system. |
| 21:34.31 | ribnitz | pipatron: there is little reason; get /var, /usr, /usr/local, /home on lvm partitions of their own. |
| 21:34.37 | ribnitz | jelly: we aren't. |
| 21:34.40 | maddash | shucka shucka...feel good! |
| 21:34.59 | jelly | ribnitz: then how do you know he has /tmp on tmpfs? |
| 21:35.07 | mxgs | is it possible that the special chars are not working on my keymap? (it's a fresh etch on an ibook g4, Hungarian keymap) |
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| 21:35.18 | ribnitz | jelly: Thats what I have; |
| 21:35.46 | tokyoeye | ElDiabolo, lvm is not a filesystem; it is not fault proof. there is no way to do lvm and be without any recovery procedures. if i misunderstood your question please ignore this |
| 21:35.58 | mxgs | all i get is question marks instead of a pipe, etc. |
| 21:36.05 | jelly | ribnitz: then your question should have been "why would I resize /?" :-P |
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| 21:37.52 | ribnitz | jelly: on this system, I have /home, /usr, /var (and a utility disk) separate. Running out of diskspace.. |
| 21:37.55 | ElDiabolo | tokyoeye: My objection is that lvm can complicate a recovery. You are probably in deep trouble if you loose the block mapping. |
| 21:38.16 | ribnitz | ElDiabolo: thats what backups are for? |
| 21:38.50 | pipatron | Over time I've felt that lvm2 is very robust |
| 21:38.59 | pipatron | But I've heard people claim the opposite as well :) |
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| 21:39.18 | Seb | hrm, the BTS mentions versions 8.39 and 8.40 for the fglrx stuff, but I only see 8.38, what am I missing ? |
| 21:39.38 | pipatron | But yeah, if you're not that experienced and comfortable, don't put / on lvm |
| 21:39.46 | ElDiabolo | pipatron: Did not have any trouble with it yet, but never had any hardware problems since. |
| 21:39.50 | jelly | ribnitz: / /var /home and /usr/src... I don't bother with /usr, it's not practical in any way. Both / and /usr have setuid binaries and similar needs |
| 21:39.52 | ribnitz | pipatron: Corruption patters change.. |
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| 21:41.11 | ElDiabolo | pipatron: Do snapshots work with lvm2 now? On sarge they froze the whole system. |
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| 21:42.24 | jair | ribnitz: so how will you configure a system where all you have is two drives sda and sdb 18GB each |
| 21:42.30 | pipatron | ElDiabolo: I've used them on sarge a couple of time |
| 21:42.43 | jair | if I want to take advantage of the maximun space |
| 21:42.46 | pipatron | ElDiabolo: And a lot on etch |
| 21:42.55 | pipatron | ElDiabolo: Actually not much on sarge at all |
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| 21:43.08 | jelly | ElDiabolo: lvm2 is handy for online resizes (with SAN or other external storage) |
| 21:43.56 | ElDiabolo | jelly: Yeah, I know. But in the beginning they had messed up snapshots. |
| 21:43.58 | jair | ribnitz: because all i wanted is to be able of install the siystem in sda but get the rest and combine it with the lv of sdb and have a big volume group :) |
| 21:44.14 | jair | I mean not big but with the maximun of space use |
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| 21:44.26 | ElDiabolo | jelly: Actually one of my goals is to have a home SAN. |
| 21:44.29 | jelly | ElDiabolo: ah. no exp. with snapshots. |
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| 21:45.32 | Max- | Is the no_root_account philosophy only ubuntu-ish or is it on Debian too? Will I get my so dear root account back when it will be installed?! :) |
| 21:45.59 | wols | debian has a root account |
| 21:46.03 | pickcoder | Max-: huh? |
| 21:46.05 | Max- | WOOHOO |
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| 21:46.15 | pickcoder | there is no root on ubuntu? |
| 21:46.17 | Max- | pickcoder : on ubuntu, there's no root account (by default) |
| 21:46.23 | pickcoder | erm..ok |
| 21:46.32 | zinx | this isn't #ubuntu :/ |
| 21:46.34 | pipatron | The account is there but no password |
| 21:46.41 | Max- | zinx : are you serious? |
| 21:46.44 | pickcoder | I think a root user is the least of my worries with regards to software exploits |
| 21:46.52 | Max- | pipatron : exactly |
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| 21:46.58 | pipatron | pickcoder: It's not for security |
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| 21:47.15 | Max- | pipatron : what is it for? |
| 21:47.21 | pickcoder | then why else would you limit the useage of root? |
| 21:47.24 | pipatron | pickcoder: It's for making it's easy for like, grandma to use the computer |
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| 21:47.38 | jelly | pickcoder: because you don't need it? |
| 21:47.40 | pipatron | No need to open up a terminal and 'su' etc |
| 21:47.50 | pickcoder | I need it |
| 21:47.52 | Max- | sudo -i |
| 21:47.58 | jelly | pickcoder: I don't. |
| 21:48.03 | pickcoder | I don't trust sudo |
| 21:48.07 | pickcoder | ymmv |
| 21:48.13 | Max- | works good |
| 21:48.46 | pickcoder | Oh.. I use it. I still prefer to have root login from the console, though |
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| 21:49.04 | Max_- | That's just a good news for me.. I'll be happy to enter my password ONCE and do what I have to do w/o caring for permissions |
| 21:49.28 | pipatron | So you run everything as root? |
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| 21:50.07 | aFlag | yay root is fun |
| 21:50.13 | Max_- | well... no I shouldn't I know |
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| 21:50.48 | aFlag | I use a no password root account on the virtual machine |
| 21:50.59 | Max_- | thinking about it... I got used to sudo... |
| 21:51.14 | pipatron | sudo is convenient |
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| 21:51.25 | Max_- | yea |
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| 21:51.31 | pipatron | But shouldn't be used for what ubuntu is using it for :) |
| 21:51.37 | pipatron | (imho) |
| 21:51.37 | Max_- | damn... my new debian dvd won't boot |
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| 21:51.50 | Max_- | haha, maybe yes |
| 21:52.19 | aFlag | when I need to type only one command as root I usually use sudo |
| 21:52.34 | aFlag | but I could just have a terminal window always open as root |
| 21:52.46 | tokyoeye | ElDiabolo, please take a look at zfs (OpenSolaris, FreeBDS). I hate to bring this up on the #debian but zfs has a lot of features that you'll like when looking for a secure lvm/raid setup. Lvm has caused me many sleepness nights trying to get customers' machines online again and zfs and the iscsi and snapshot args are making my sleep very very ok. |
| 21:54.05 | aFlag | sleepless? |
| 21:54.20 | Max_- | yeah, fs are such a question everytime |
| 21:54.35 | aFlag | zfs seems good |
| 21:54.48 | aFlag | what about linux's zfs support using fuse? |
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| 21:55.00 | aFlag | is it bad? |
| 21:55.07 | pipatron | Sounds like crap |
| 21:55.14 | antony | hello , i have installed now debian with the 1st cd with kde , how i can install now software ? ( i need kkbswitch for example , and konversation ) ? |
| 21:55.16 | pipatron | == sounds like slow :) |
| 21:55.23 | Max_- | doh, my slack install won't boot either... the last thing I need is a dead DVD drive |
| 21:55.27 | antony | hello , i have installed now debian with the 1st cd with kde , how i can install now software ? ( i need kkbswitch for example , and konversation ) ? |
| 21:55.34 | pipatron | antony: We heard you the first time |
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| 21:55.50 | Viper550 | Just wondering, are there any KDE4 Beta 2 packages for Etch? |
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| 21:56.18 | Max_- | antony : my guess : apt-get install name-of-application |
| 21:56.18 | nepbabu | antony, apt-get install konversation AS root |
| 21:56.56 | tokyoeye | aFlag, the problem with zfs and fuse is that fuse is not in the kernel. this causes the worst of performance. |
| 21:57.42 | sabanovski | how to install rpm files? |
| 21:57.46 | aFlag | but the performance is unberably bad? |
| 21:57.50 | tokyoeye | aFlag, that was the short and stupid explanation. there's more online. |
| 21:57.55 | nepbabu | sabanovski, rpm -ivh package |
| 21:58.01 | nepbabu | !tell sabanovski about rpm |
| 21:58.39 | nepbabu | sabanovski, man alien |
| 21:58.47 | ElDiabolo | tokyoeye: Hmmmm. Actually I won't move away from debian for zfs. |
| 21:59.02 | pipatron | I'll wait for zfs |
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| 21:59.10 | pipatron | But until then, ext3 is my friend |
| 21:59.10 | nepbabu | reiser4 |
| 21:59.14 | pipatron | And sometimes reiser :) |
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| 21:59.29 | peterS | ha. reiser is no man's friend |
| 21:59.29 | aFlag | Is zfs going to make into linux? I thought there were legal issues |
| 21:59.31 | pipatron | the filesystem with killer performance |
| 21:59.33 | pipatron | etc |
| 21:59.36 | The-Kernel | What is the best way to isntall jre? |
| 21:59.41 | aFlag | rather, reiser is no woman's friend |
| 21:59.44 | nepbabu | peterS, hah |
| 21:59.44 | xand | aFlag: maybe if sun change the license? |
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| 22:00.08 | themill | !tell The-Kernel about install java |
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| 22:00.10 | dannys | where i can find libwnck18 =2.18.2? |
| 22:00.13 | peterS | reiserfs is a wonderful filesystem ... until you lose data the first or second or third time. then it serves as a great way to test your backup/restore strategy |
| 22:00.14 | tokyoeye | aFlag, please don't start that discussion :-) |
| 22:00.26 | pipatron | peterS: I use it for /var/cache and stuff |
| 22:00.30 | nepbabu | there's a nice comparision (google) between various fs. reiser4 is *the* best afaict |
| 22:00.33 | sabanovski | http://rafb.net/p/RWMW1k72.html |
| 22:00.45 | The-Kernel | thanks themill |
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| 22:00.53 | ElDiabolo | peterS: Please don't start that discussion. |
| 22:01.01 | pipatron | nepbabu: there are also discussions on google where OSX is the best |
| 22:01.08 | pipatron | nepbabu: And where visual studo is the best |
| 22:01.09 | peterS | nepbabu: I consider filesystem speed to be a distant second priority behind reliability. and in that regard, anything from namesys makes me very suspicious. |
| 22:01.23 | nepbabu | pipatron, i.e., if you search for it. |
| 22:01.29 | themill | some people even like windoze... |
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| 22:01.38 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 22:01.40 | pipatron | themill: Now you're exaggerating |
| 22:01.44 | peterS | nepbabu: i.e., if you believe everything you read from the first page of google links to a topic |
| 22:01.46 | tokyoeye | ElDiabolo, no worries lvm and a good raid setup can be just as good (thought the userland tools are a bit harder ;-) ) |
| 22:01.51 | Azrael_- | where can i set which module are loaded on the satart? |
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| 22:02.01 | nepbabu | peterS, have u googled or just making it up? |
| 22:02.18 | pipatron | tokyoeye: hey, the lvm2 userland tools are gold |
| 22:02.18 | peterS | nepbabu: do you believe everything you read from the first page of google links? it sounds like it |
| 22:02.21 | nepbabu | peterS, google it first and for the record it's not the first result |
| 22:02.33 | tokyoeye | pipatron, totally true |
| 22:02.35 | nepbabu | peterS, hah |
| 22:02.37 | pipatron | tokyoeye: I wish that for example the software raid tools were that easy to use |
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| 22:02.48 | peterS | nepbabu: I didn't say first result. and indeed even if it is rank number 35 on google's search, does that change my point any? |
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| 22:02.57 | nepbabu | peterS, it does |
| 22:03.27 | nepbabu | peterS, your brain is damaged. you can't infer between result 1 and result 35 |
| 22:03.27 | nepbabu | hah |
| 22:03.27 | peterS | nepbabu: whether you believe everything you read on the first page of google's links, or on the third page ... you're still kinda dumb |
| 22:03.27 | tokyoeye | pipatron, yeah! want to get started improving the code? |
| 22:03.32 | pipatron | tokyoeye: No fucking way, I rather just whine about it |
| 22:03.38 | nepbabu | peterS, ok i am dumb. |
| 22:03.38 | antony | hello , i have installed now debian with the 1st cd with kde , how i can install now software ? ( i need kkbswitch for example , and konversation ) ? |
| 22:03.41 | tokyoeye | pipatron, haha |
| 22:03.43 | nepbabu | peterS, is that your point? |
| 22:03.53 | pipatron | antony: Ok, stop spamming |
| 22:03.55 | peterS | nepbabu: my point is "I read it via a google search!" is not a very convincing argument |
| 22:03.59 | nepbabu | peterS, let me for the sake of this conversation make you the super intelligent |
| 22:04.01 | themill | antony: aptitude install konversation |
| 22:04.07 | Max_- | :'( ... 4.3gb download in void |
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| 22:04.27 | nepbabu | peterS, if you actually Google first and then talk the talk, it'll make sense. |
| 22:04.29 | themill | antony: aptitude install kkbswitch |
| 22:04.35 | themill | !tell antony about search |
| 22:04.39 | peterS | nepbabu: if you have trouble figuring out what is wrong with the answer "search google, that will show you that I'm right", we don't have a lot of common ground |
| 22:04.40 | nepbabu | you can't say it's bitter without looking at it first |
| 22:04.41 | pipatron | I think antony is some bot |
| 22:04.45 | antony | themil , i have |
| 22:04.50 | pipatron | Oh |
| 22:04.54 | widrone | Max_-: The md5 didnt match up? Did you check? |
| 22:04.56 | pipatron | He actually respond :) |
| 22:04.57 | nepbabu | ok nice talking to you my friend |
| 22:04.57 | antony | no sources and i cant install anything |
| 22:05.09 | peterS | nepbabu: if you can't even dig up an actual link, just "oh check google it's there", it's hard to take you seriously. |
| 22:05.22 | themill | antony: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of those two commands I just sent you. |
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| 22:05.25 | pipatron | peterS, nepbabu: stop whining, it's friday night |
| 22:05.25 | ma3x | do I need this package liblogfile-rotate-perl? |
| 22:05.35 | peterS | pipatron: and I'm still at work. I can whine if I want. |
| 22:05.38 | nepbabu | peterS, well, why would I dig up result if I am busy? |
| 22:05.47 | pipatron | peterS: whine to your cow-orkers instead :) |
| 22:05.58 | themill | ma3x: that rather depends on what you're trying to do..... |
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| 22:06.18 | pipatron | nepbabu: If you feel that you want to make people use reiser4 and they don't want to, it's your responsibility to convince them |
| 22:06.22 | themill | !tell antony about paste |
| 22:06.29 | nepbabu | peterS, Go google the a very comprehensive list first my friend and then we can chat. |
| 22:06.32 | ma3x | themill, I dunno, I ran debfoster and it asked me wether I want to keep that package |
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| 22:06.46 | Ace2016 | #join ##windows |
| 22:06.51 | peterS | nepbabu: if you're so busy why are you on irc? seriously though, if you actually care about arguing with people, you can at least _try_ to give them information rather than just proof-by-assertion-that-google-has-the-information-somewhere |
| 22:07.03 | nepbabu | i don't want to convince them. I want to tell them that it's got one the fastest fs around albeit it's fate atm |
| 22:07.09 | peterS | nepbabu: the latter is pretty much pointless |
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| 22:07.33 | themill | ma3x: it's only going to be small so it's not that bad, It's a perl module for logfile rotation -- probably pulled in my mplayer if you installed that. |
| 22:07.37 | pipatron | Yeah well, arguing about what fileystem is faster has probably been done before :P |
| 22:07.39 | Ace2016 | so whats the fastest fs? xfs? |
| 22:07.44 | nepbabu | peterS, i am on IRC because i have other things to do beside chat with people like you |
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| 22:07.45 | themill | ma3x: apt-cache rdepends liblogfile-rotate-perl |
| 22:07.46 | nepbabu | :D |
| 22:07.47 | pipatron | Ace2016: FAT12 |
| 22:08.06 | ma3x | themill, ok thanks |
| 22:08.08 | peterS | nepbabu: that's a reason not to be on irc |
| 22:08.10 | nepbabu | ok i am taking it off. |
| 22:08.11 | themill | ma3x: but it could also have been a "recommends" for another package. I didn't check.... |
| 22:08.12 | nepbabu | no point chatting to glory |
| 22:08.12 | Ace2016 | fat12... i've heard of fat16 and 32 but fat12? you've got to be making that up |
| 22:08.14 | ElDiabolo | pipatron: The whole reiser bashing thing has been done before. |
| 22:08.24 | \amethyst | Ace2016: fat12 was used on floppies |
| 22:08.26 | nepbabu | peterS, irc is not-chat-all-the-time. it's used for other "real" purposes |
| 22:08.36 | antony | themill , http://pastebin.com/d7ca7374b |
| 22:08.45 | peterS | nepbabu: what other uses? warez trading? |
| 22:08.48 | ameyer | \amethyst: and small harddrives |
| 22:08.53 | ma3x | when you select something, I know you can copy paste it by pressing on the mouse middle button. is there another way to do it? |
| 22:08.54 | tokyoeye | pipatron, isn't about what file system keeps your data save? |
| 22:08.59 | nepbabu | peterS, that's not real |
| 22:09.03 | ma3x | except ctrl+c and ctrl+v |
| 22:09.04 | pipatron | tokyoeye: No, who cares about reliability |
| 22:09.10 | ameyer | I think partitions under 50 MB |
| 22:09.10 | Max_- | nepbabu, peterS, come on... |
| 22:09.11 | titeuf_87 | I'm trying to install debian but it fails when it actually want to install the base system, it tells me this on dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/38303 and then gives a lot of i/o errors. Are there some things I should try before I claim the drive to be really dead? |
| 22:09.14 | peterS | nepbabu: I've never heard of irc being used for anything other than (1) chat, (2) warez, (3) controlling a botnet |
| 22:09.15 | nepbabu | peterS, meeting, conversation, real contribution |
| 22:09.16 | jelly | dpkg, if a blootbot would boot blots, how much blots would the blootbot boot? |
| 22:09.22 | peterS | nepbabu: uh, that's chatting |
| 22:09.24 | widrone | Type 11 ftw, I go with the "hidden FAT12". |
| 22:09.27 | tokyoeye | pipatron, you've never had a real job have you? |
| 22:09.37 | nepbabu | peterS, then you are not using IRC |
| 22:09.37 | pipatron | tokyoeye: job? |
| 22:09.44 | peterS | I'm not? |
| 22:09.46 | themill | ma3x: depends on your terminal. paste is often Ctrl+Insert |
| 22:09.50 | peterS | I wonder what I'm using |
| 22:10.21 | ma3x | themill, ok thanks |
| 22:10.26 | antony | from where i can download sources.list file with alot of sources ? |
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| 22:10.40 | themill | antony: can you pastebin your sources.list for me too? |
| 22:10.58 | antony | themill . yes sec |
| 22:11.03 | nepbabu | peterS, that's one of the purpose of IRC. go look at what real people are doing on IRC before you can even say you are using IRC. Taking notes, meeting, conversation.... anyway you win I lose. is that what you want? |
| 22:11.04 | nepbabu | goodluck |
| 22:11.07 | nepbabu | oooof |
| 22:11.10 | peterS | antony: any debian mirror has like 15000 source packages. and the same ones. so it hardly mattesr which one you pick |
| 22:11.11 | widrone | titeuf_87: Cable maybe, just to be sure. Or try turning off more hw in the bios if that is possible. |
| 22:11.17 | ElDiabolo | titeuf_87: Open up a shell and do a badblocks. |
| 22:11.20 | nepbabu | surreal man |
| 22:11.32 | antony | themill , http://pastebin.com/d55a299f |
| 22:11.48 | titeuf_87 | widrone: can't check the cable. it's a small computer I can't open that uses a flashcard as hard drive |
| 22:11.50 | peterS | nepbabu: I fail to see how "meeting" and "conversation" are not synonyms for "chatting". or do you have this idea that "chat" has to mean "social chit-chat"? |
| 22:11.58 | titeuf_87 | ElDiabolo: I'll try, thanks |
| 22:12.07 | themill | antony: are you currently connected to irc using this machine? |
| 22:12.10 | xand | peterS: we have irc bots at work that monitor nagios etc... that's not chatting |
| 22:12.13 | nepbabu | peterS, in meeting we chat. is that CLEAR with you? |
| 22:12.20 | nepbabu | meeting != chat |
| 22:12.22 | themill | antony: that is, does it's network connection work? |
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| 22:12.27 | nepbabu | meeting != have phun |
| 22:12.32 | antony | themill , yes i have internet connection . . . |
| 22:12.38 | peterS | nepbabu: yes but the parts of a meeting that do not involve chatting also do not involve IRC |
| 22:12.44 | The-Kernel | !backports |
| 22:12.44 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat> |
| 22:12.57 | nepbabu | peterS, i have some work. g'day my friend. |
| 22:13.01 | yure | dpkg, you are completely right! :) |
| 22:13.02 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, yure |
| 22:13.02 | peterS | lies |
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| 22:13.27 | peterS | you have no work. it's early Saturday morning where you are. |
| 22:13.34 | titeuf_87 | ElDiabolo: it's spitting out a bunch of numbers starting from 0 and increasing, it's supposed to do that? |
| 22:13.36 | themill | antony: ok. You currently don't have any mirrors in your sources.list, only your cd. You should remove the # at the beginning of lines 7 and 9 (that start with deb and deb-src) |
| 22:13.38 | pipatron | nepbabu: I think the whole point of peterS question about IRC is that you have a lot of time to argue about a lot of crap here, right on this channel, but you don't seem to have time to do a quick google search to find some data behind your claims |
| 22:13.52 | themill | antony: you should also add a mirror from the mirrors list to your sources.list |
| 22:13.55 | widrone | titeuf_87: Ah, I see. Flashcard eh? Been used alot? |
| 22:13.57 | themill | !tell antony about mirrors |
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| 22:14.33 | ElDiabolo | titeuf_87: Probably yes. IIRC it is counting blocks. |
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| 22:15.02 | jetscreamer | comment out the cd |
| 22:15.08 | pipatron | Time for sleep -> |
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| 22:15.12 | titeuf_87 | widrone: no, but I used it on another computer with broken ram also as hd. Gave a bunch of random programs crashing and after a memtest found out the ram was broken. This could break the card? |
| 22:15.57 | themill | antony: once you've updated your sources.list, run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 22:16.05 | themill | antony: and let us know how you're going ;) |
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| 22:17.17 | ElDiabolo | titeuf_87: Actually only badblocks -s is supposed to do that. |
| 22:17.33 | digijohn | It seems that when I try running emacs inside an xterm, hitting M-x sends M-8 instead. What's up? |
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| 22:18.15 | dalias | xterm has various broken defaults that need fixing |
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| 22:18.39 | antony | thekill , when i run kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list i get : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 22:18.39 | antony | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 22:18.39 | antony | kedit: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 22:18.53 | widrone | titeuf_87: Just that flash "wears down" by use/time. |
| 22:19.17 | iwkse | hi all, i can't type accent letters and ctrl+alt+Fn writes codes in xterm, hints? |
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| 22:20.11 | titeuf_87 | widrone: is there a good way to check if the card's faulty? |
| 22:20.22 | themill | antony: you're trying to run a graphical command as root when you are logged in as a user; that doesn't work straight away. Either use an editor like vim or nano from the terminal, or use gksu or sux to run X programs. |
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| 22:20.32 | ElDiabolo | antony: do an xhost + from a terminal as the logged in user. |
| 22:20.42 | dalias | xhost + should never be done |
| 22:20.43 | digijohn | Or use "sux" instead of "su", antony |
| 22:20.45 | \amethyst | err, xhost + is not the way to do that |
| 22:20.46 | dalias | it's a huge vuln! |
| 22:20.57 | themill | ElDiabolo: some of us have an aversion to xhost +.... |
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| 22:21.01 | dalias | especially if the user is on irc! |
| 22:21.06 | digijohn | Yeah, don't do xhost + |
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| 22:21.10 | dalias | for instance if you tell someone to xhost + and i see that... |
| 22:21.20 | dalias | i could immediately take advantage of the situation and root their box |
| 22:21.33 | dalias | actually debian should not even package xhost... |
| 22:21.44 | dalias | and x.org should remove it too... |
| 22:21.58 | dalias | same as rsh, rcp, etc. |
| 22:22.02 | dalias | it's an inherent vuln |
| 22:22.03 | ElDiabolo | themill: OK, he may not be behind a dsl router like me. |
| 22:22.26 | antony | themill , i succesed to run it in editor but now how i can find repos to add ( i live in israel ) ? |
| 22:23.29 | BigH26 | If I accidently deleted one of my keyboard layout files (those in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols), I can get one from another debian machine, but I'm just wondering if there's a way to get the file back automatically (I can't even manage to get the file's package, when I use apt-file on one of those files in returns nothing). |
| 22:23.30 | themill | deb http://mirror.inter.net.il/pub/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:23.38 | themill | antony: ^^ I think.... |
| 22:24.41 | antony | themill , its working thanks ! |
| 22:25.10 | themill | excellent! You should now have an obscenely large number of packages available to you, just an aptitude install away... |
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| 22:25.22 | tokyoeye | hands up: how many people use ksh or any other shell than bash? |
| 22:25.41 | themill | I used to use ksh.... does that count? |
| 22:25.43 | ElDiabolo | themill: Actually people who are rooting boxes mostly come in by php vulnerabilities. X11 is too exotic. |
| 22:25.47 | jair | ElDiabolo: what will be the ideal configuration of a debian system with two drives sda=36GB and sdb=140GB and I want to have a part of the sda for a volume groupe created from the 140GB and part of the 36GB? |
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| 22:26.17 | The-Kernel | how do I add backports to the source list |
| 22:26.19 | themill | ElDiabolo: yep... it's also that xhost is lazy and unneeded... |
| 22:26.27 | Joachim | Evening people |
| 22:26.29 | themill | !tell The-Kernel about backports.org |
| 22:26.41 | jair | what will be the ideal configuration of a debian system with two drives sda=36GB and sdb=140GB and I want to have a part of the sda for a volume groupe created from the 140GB and part of the 36GB? |
| 22:27.27 | brix` | i'm trying to get a GLX support with my NVidia card but it's not working. i tried downloading the kernel driver from the site, but it does not compile; and it seems Debian lenny does not have the correct driver for my kernel. |
| 22:27.33 | brix` | then i tried to change the X driver for my card, using "nv" instead of "nvidia", and using extension "GLcore" instead of "glx", but the log says "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)" |
| 22:27.34 | ElDiabolo | jair: I personal would simply use sda as the system disk (/) and feed sdb into the lvm. |
| 22:27.39 | brix` | but why is it looking for an nvidia X driver? or is it an nvidia glx extension? in both cases, Xorg should not care about my card! i want to use mesa's glx! |
| 22:27.55 | antony | themill , this inter source is down , where i can find other sources ? |
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| 22:28.12 | themill | !tell antony about mirrors |
| 22:28.21 | jair | ElDiabolo: yes but you just told me not to add a lvm to the part that have "etc" :( |
| 22:28.30 | ElDiabolo | jair: What do you want to use the 140 Gb for? |
| 22:28.43 | jair | can you paste an example in paste.com or rafb.net/paste? |
| 22:28.54 | jair | 140 are for virtual machines |
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| 22:29.12 | tokyoeye | jair, xen? |
| 22:29.18 | jair | ElDiabolo: I want to use about 15GB for the "/" and swap |
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| 22:29.31 | ElDiabolo | jair: Ah, OK thats maybe different. |
| 22:29.44 | jair | tokyoeye: no this is something else but I have xen configured on one of my systems too :) |
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| 22:31.14 | jair | ElDiabolo: it is not recomended to partition everything from the beginning as (36GB+140GB) => a big VG ? all in the same VG with the system and everything in both? |
| 22:31.14 | tokyoeye | jair, if you're looking for redundancy make sure sda and sdb are raid1 and keep the extra part of sdb part avaiable for lvm |
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| 22:31.38 | jair | nope I am actually looking for capacity |
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| 22:32.11 | tokyoeye | jair, : os on sda and the fun stuff on sdb? |
| 22:32.16 | ElDiabolo | jair: OK, then I would start with a sda1 of 15Gb as / and use the sdb for physical volumes first. |
| 22:32.36 | antony | themill , there are only 2 for my country and they both doesnt work , can i add ubuntu mirrors ? |
| 22:32.38 | jair | I am trying to understand if is better configure two different VG one for sda and one for sdb or combine both as one VG and have all the space use for the system and vms disks |
| 22:32.57 | ElDiabolo | jair: If the physical volume runs out of disk space, you can feed it sda2. |
| 22:33.05 | themill | antony: no. you can't add ubuntu mirrors... they definitely will not work. they will break your box. |
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| 22:33.15 | jair | ElDiabolo: exactly |
| 22:33.36 | themill | antony: if you pick any of the european mirrors they should be ok. But if you want to pastebin your sources.list, we'll check it for you... |
| 22:33.43 | ElDiabolo | jair: Just one volume group. |
| 22:33.50 | jair | ElDiabolo: so i will configure this "15GB" as a separate volume group? |
| 22:34.03 | antony | themill , i will try european |
| 22:34.05 | jair | 15 GB will be configure in not volume group then |
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| 22:34.19 | jair | I see just as regular file system |
| 22:34.31 | themill | antony: ubuntu is not debian so ubuntu packages will not work any more than windows or mac things will just work under debian. |
| 22:34.32 | ElDiabolo | jair: Yes, sda1 with root will not be in the volume group. |
| 22:34.44 | jair | ElDiabolo: I see |
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| 22:34.59 | jair | ElDiabolo: I will put an example just to make sure this make sense ok |
| 22:35.09 | ElDiabolo | ok |
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| 22:35.29 | tokyoeye | jair, is this going to be in production? |
| 22:35.53 | sf7_ | I cannot get my microphone to work in my new Debian ( running on ThinkPad T30 ). can anyone help? |
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| 22:37.14 | jair | tokyoeye: kind of |
| 22:37.25 | jair | tokyoeye: it is actually a demo project |
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| 22:37.58 | lontra | how can i tell if my machine can run qemu? |
| 22:38.24 | dendrite | lontra: Try it? |
| 22:38.25 | simonrvn | it can |
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| 22:38.39 | lontra | i thought it had something to do with my processor |
| 22:39.09 | themill | qemu will run on anything, kvm requires processor support for faster emulation. |
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| 22:41.02 | Ramattack | jelly, would you mind only one more question about lvm?? |
| 22:41.29 | Ramattack | or ElDiabolo would you mind only one more please? |
| 22:41.35 | qrck | do i need to link to the headers of kernel-source when i custom compile a debian kernel-source ? or do i have to link against the corr. linux-headers package ? |
| 22:41.43 | tokyoeye | Ramattack, shoot anyway |
| 22:41.45 | Ramattack | here it goes... |
| 22:41.48 | Ramattack | When you do a snapshot you set a group of blocks in read-only acting for the OS usage or hide (if you delete those files) mode BUT really this blocks are frozen by LVM and are never touched or modified really... and if you need to modify a block two new blocks maximum are created for storing the modified block in two different states and if this blocks are deleted they just disapear from the OS, but they won't be deleted becau |
| 22:41.49 | Ramattack | se are part of the snapshot... |
| 22:41.57 | jair | hello guys does this make sense configuring a debian system with the disks I am mentioning there => http://rafb.net/p/RiRpkG82.html |
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| 22:42.30 | jair | I am trying to use the best of linux and lvm. => http://rafb.net/p/RiRpkG82.html |
| 22:42.34 | themill | qrck: what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:44.02 | Ramattack | any help would be appreciated... :) |
| 22:44.04 | dendrite | jair: I'd probably make one VG, and put everything except maybe / (not /boot) in partitions within. Separate /home /var /tmp and maybe /usr |
| 22:44.10 | qrck | themill: trying to custom compile linux-source-2.6.21 am on kernel-2.6.18-4-486 and have /usr/src/linux pointing to the linux-headers-2.6.21-2-686 in /usr/src ?? |
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| 22:44.36 | Delph_nz | whats the best way to upgrade the forcedeth driver in debian etch to get my onboard nvidia network card working please? |
| 22:44.38 | tokyoeye | Ramattack, sorry zfs here |
| 22:44.54 | Ramattack | zfs? what's that? |
| 22:44.55 | widrone | jair: If you want all you can get out of the space, the 7GB on sda1 for /home could just go into the lvm, and you can grow /home to what is needed. That may get you some gbs extra. |
| 22:44.56 | dendrite | jair: Even if you leave / out of lvm, you can easily create fresh partitions in lvm, and lop off whatever section is offending. |
| 22:44.59 | qrck | but i read that i don't need the linux-headers-bla to link to .... |
| 22:45.02 | themill | qrck: for compiling the kernel, you don't need the linux-headers packages at all. You also don't need a /usr/src/linux link. |
| 22:45.09 | tokyoeye | Ramattack, cpmputers :-) |
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| 22:45.32 | irule | I have 2 nics on my debian etch 4, connected to a cisco switch, other pcs can see both my ipaddresses but iptraf shows ALL packets going back and forth on only one of them, how can I get linux to use the other one? |
| 22:45.36 | themill | qrck: the -headers package is just for compiling modules without compiling the entire kernel. |
| 22:45.37 | widrone | jair: Like dendrite said... |
| 22:45.45 | themill | qrck: why are you trying to compile the kernel? |
| 22:45.48 | qrck | themill, yep thanks that's what i wanted to know :) |
| 22:46.06 | jair | widrone: I am trying to understand guys but i think if you paste an example i will understand better |
| 22:46.07 | Ramattack | lol and what do you mean with that ? :) |
| 22:46.20 | themill | qrck: Do you know that there are precompiled .21 and .22 kernels available for etch? |
| 22:46.22 | jair | dendrite: can you reply my paste with an example? |
| 22:46.23 | dendrite | irule: First thing that comes to mind is bonding. I've never done it though. |
| 22:46.56 | Mahdy | i try a lot of tools but i still cant play a video file with a Unicode subtitle . is anybody do that? |
| 22:47.10 | tokyoeye | irule, bit more info please |
| 22:47.13 | qrck | themill, yes yes i know ... i even have one of those installed... |
| 22:47.13 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:47.23 | dendrite | jair: ... I am not sure I follow you. Create a small sda1, say 1G ("small." Heh.), and put the rest in lvm. |
| 22:47.37 | Ramattack | widrone, could you know please is what I say is correct to see If I understand the concept please mate :) ? |
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| 22:47.47 | jair | dendrite: so what will go into "/"? |
| 22:47.52 | Ramattack | or anyone who uses lvm... |
| 22:48.00 | kp_duck | Hi, I write this from Vista as my dual boot Debian unstable wont start X, or kdm. Yhe console only works fine. I played around with my graphics card (Radeon 2900 HD) and drivers and possibly I overdid something... Please, I need help in where to start searching for possible faults! |
| 22:48.03 | themill | qrck: ok... there's generally not much point compiling a kernel that you've already got :) |
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| 22:48.36 | qrck | themill, unless you want to make some options rather kernel integrated than as module... |
| 22:48.39 | qrck | etc... |
| 22:48.40 | smokestack | any recommendations for a lightweight ftp server? |
| 22:48.45 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, try vesa |
| 22:48.49 | dendrite | jair: /etc /boot /lib /sbin /proc /dev /mnt |
| 22:48.54 | irule | mii-tool says one of them has no flow control, and it actually is the one that is not transferring any packets :s is there something to do in that aspect? eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok eth2: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
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| 22:48.58 | jair | dendrite: my understanding is that "/" is where the system will be installed correct? right |
| 22:49.01 | themill | qrck: yeah... not usually much to be gained by that though. |
| 22:49.06 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: I did, but that won't start either... |
| 22:49.26 | solemnwarning | Is postfix the right MTA to use for a tiny machine? |
| 22:49.31 | tokyoeye | smokestack, vsftpd. secure and sweet |
| 22:49.31 | jair | so when I am installing the debian system I can choose create lvm and separate the file systems? |
| 22:49.42 | solemnwarning | Or is there somthing smaller? |
| 22:49.42 | dendrite | jair: ... "installed" -- well, it's installed everywhere. Main thing about / is just that if lvm pukes, that will be all you can get to easily, for rescue, without an external boot image. |
| 22:49.54 | widrone | where is a black/white board when you need it :P |
| 22:49.57 | ricosecada | Hi guys! I know this isn't related, but I am not native english speaking, and was wondering, is there a work in use as a substitute for the word "offer", like in "make me an offer"? Is there another way to say that? |
| 22:49.57 | mustmr | www.augustao.org/xweird.png why does this happen? all my X apps (nethack-x11, xfontsel, ted) have their menus cropped somehow |
| 22:49.58 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, uhm why? |
| 22:49.58 | qrck | themill: depends on what you understand by gain... |
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| 22:50.06 | Ramattack | solemnwarning, qmail it's lighter |
| 22:50.24 | qrck | themill: if you mean speed you're right... |
| 22:50.32 | solemnwarning | Preferably one that won't require compiling or PITA configuration |
| 22:50.34 | smokestack | tokyoeye: you rock, thanks |
| 22:50.35 | qrck | not much to gain ... |
| 22:50.40 | jair | dendrite: how much space will you give to "/" from the 36GB disk1? |
| 22:50.43 | Ramattack | smokestack, IMHO nothing as proftpd... |
| 22:50.44 | themill | qrck: well, there's no speed difference except for a few seconds booting, but I only usually reboot every few months. And the configuration overhead is about 4 lines in one file ;) |
| 22:50.47 | solemnwarning | It's to go on a 486, just for local and LAN delivery |
| 22:50.48 | dendrite | jair: I actually retrofitted lvm onto the machine I'm sitting at now. / has 256M, and is at 81% use. |
| 22:50.49 | Ramattack | northing has more posibilities... |
| 22:51.04 | ricosecada | work = word |
| 22:51.05 | jair | dendrite: and how I will tell linux to separate the /home /var /usr ? |
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| 22:51.14 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: I haven't used this computer for a few days, but I dcan't remember leaving it not working. This afternoon it was all black, ending at the login prompt. kdm starts, and flickers and then it goes to the prompt. |
| 22:51.18 | dendrite | jair: /home, /tmp, /usr, /var, and a /muisic are on lvm partitions. |
| 22:51.21 | themill | qrck: for me, recompiling the kernel is a gentoo thing... and about as useful ;) |
| 22:51.22 | smokestack | ramattack: eh? is proftpd your recommendation |
| 22:51.26 | Ramattack | yep |
| 22:51.26 | smokestack | lightweight is key =) |
| 22:51.36 | jair | dendrite: ok |
| 22:51.37 | qrck | themill: err what you use gentoo for that ? |
| 22:51.38 | Ramattack | sorry? |
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| 22:51.46 | smokestack | boy, now i have a touch decision to make |
| 22:51.47 | themill | !gentoosmite qrck |
| 22:51.52 | themill | :) |
| 22:51.54 | smokestack | i'm working with 64megs ram |
| 22:52.00 | jair | so i can go ahead and create a "/" = 5GB? |
| 22:52.00 | themill | qrck: that's what I mean... |
| 22:52.05 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, any updates yoy installed? try the vase driver and you'll get to a gui |
| 22:52.05 | Ramattack | smokestack, I think it'll work |
| 22:52.06 | solemnwarning | smokestack: I'm working with 20 :P |
| 22:52.14 | jair | that will be sda1 |
| 22:52.23 | Ramattack | proftpd is the most powerfull ftp with difference... |
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| 22:52.40 | qrck | themill: you build it under gentoo and then patch it for debian then eh ? |
| 22:52.47 | jair | dendrite: this will be sda1 right => "/" => 3GB? |
| 22:52.52 | Ramattack | it security posibilities, it's integration with other backends possibility, different type of quotas.... |
| 22:52.55 | Ramattack | nothing like it... |
| 22:52.57 | themill | qrck: no... I just mean that it's pointless (like gentoo) |
| 22:53.05 | qrck | themill, oh ok |
| 22:53.07 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: well, i did try the new fglrx and the radeonhd drivers... :( But not even vesa works now. |
| 22:53.07 | qrck | lol |
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| 22:53.32 | smokestack | solemnwarning, lol |
| 22:53.33 | sponzor | http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/3_0/quickstart-fedora.html /// does somebody knows if there is any guide like this for debian? |
| 22:53.42 | smokestack | Ramattack, i'll give it a shot -- thanks |
| 22:53.44 | qrck | themill: boy for one sec i thought you'd handle all that symbol resolution stuff by hand ... |
| 22:53.48 | qrck | lol |
| 22:53.49 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, are you sure vesa won't work? |
| 22:54.02 | Ramattack | smokestack, I can't understand why vsftpd is increasing un sysadmins usage... |
| 22:54.04 | widrone | jair: That be a good idea. And the /home can be mounted as lv (logical volume) and grown to what size you need. From the pool of 170gb. |
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| 22:54.26 | Ramattack | proftpd is quite more secure IMHO, and has quota support, and lot's of more things... |
| 22:54.30 | Ramattack | traffic shapping.... |
| 22:54.34 | Ramattack | lots of things |
| 22:54.47 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: Like the others, it starts with flickering, but before the nice kdm graphics come up, it dies. |
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| 22:55.00 | smokestack | Ramattack, that sounds like it's much better |
| 22:55.10 | Ramattack | IMHO... yes |
| 22:55.13 | sponzor | anybody knows? for any easy howto nagios debian |
| 22:55.21 | Ramattack | I always run it... on hostings for example |
| 22:55.53 | Ramattack | with mysql as backend |
| 22:56.01 | jair | widrone: can you lay that out as an example? |
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| 22:56.11 | Ramattack | and this way I avoid local user for example... and always use virtual users... |
| 22:56.22 | jair | widrone: I have two drives 36GB and another one 140GB |
| 22:56.28 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, please check your X logs |
| 22:56.31 | dogmeat | anyway to measure network conjestion within an internal lan ? e.g. composed of switches and nodes? |
| 22:57.20 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: I saved one but don't know where to send it, or how, as I have no X.... |
| 22:57.46 | antony | themill , all is fixed thanks |
| 22:57.51 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, log on, less ,more, whatever you like |
| 22:58.03 | themill | antony: good to hear. Enjoy! |
| 22:58.18 | smokestack | Ramattack, oh, sweet |
| 22:58.22 | jair | widrone: check this please => http://rafb.net/p/k7RNDz77.html |
| 22:58.37 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: ? I don't understand. |
| 22:58.56 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, do you have a root shell? |
| 22:59.06 | Ramattack | anyone who knows this please??? |
| 22:59.07 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: Yes. |
| 22:59.10 | widrone | jair: http://rafb.net/p/vs1CwQ78.html not 100% on the size of / depending on your needs and installed packages. |
| 22:59.12 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, great! |
| 22:59.19 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, go: cd /var/log |
| 22:59.30 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, did that work? |
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| 22:59.55 | widrone | jair: That you posted has / on lvm, I never tried that and it was heavily debated earlier today. |
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| 23:00.16 | Ahmadinejad | Any command to reinstalling a program? |
| 23:00.21 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: Yes I looked at Xorg.0.log but did not see anything I understood. (I'm in Vista now, and would have to reboot to see Linux) |
| 23:00.24 | sponzor | nagios |
| 23:00.27 | widrone | I know there is a page in the install manual appendix on suggested sizes. |
| 23:00.32 | sponzor | nnagios |
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| 23:00.43 | sponzor | ups wrong window |
| 23:01.07 | widrone | jair: And I never used di to set it up for me either, spend all my time in low mem mode of the installer ;) |
| 23:01.36 | Ramattack | widrone, thruthly it's debated??? lol |
| 23:01.49 | jair | widrone: all i will be installing on the system is, gnome core, tools like => ftp rsync less gdm xorg kernel updates nothing else |
| 23:01.54 | widrone | jair: But if you are ready for that, it gives the most GB-bang for your hard earned diskspace. |
| 23:02.00 | riesebie | Ahmadinej: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 23:02.56 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: There must be some non-X irc app?! |
| 23:03.06 | valdyn | !irssi |
| 23:03.06 | dpkg | i heard irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 23:03.14 | valdyn | kp_duck: ^^^ |
| 23:03.21 | valdyn | kp_duck: and alot more |
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| 23:03.48 | kp_duck | valdyn: ok, I'll look it up reboot and come back from Debian. |
| 23:04.02 | Ahmadinejad | what about redownload and reinstall? |
| 23:04.21 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, since you;re back in windows i figure you;re no unix admin. to get back to your linux install it would probaly be est if you spend some time online learning unix and X to get your linux system onilne. open-solaris, oenbsd (!) and linux wil get you a long way! |
| 23:04.28 | valdyn | Ahmadinejad: what's the point of redownloading? |
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| 23:04.32 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, lots and lots |
| 23:04.39 | Ahmadinejad | because the program dosnt work |
| 23:04.50 | Ahmadinejad | another time i had the problem |
| 23:04.53 | riesebie | Ahmadinejad: which? |
| 23:04.57 | valdyn | Ahmadinejad: thats vague and probably not fixed by 'redownloading' |
| 23:05.01 | Ahmadinejad | i reinstalled debian and the problem was away |
| 23:05.02 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 23:05.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:05.05 | Ahmadinejad | pgadmin3 |
| 23:05.16 | widrone | jair: Seen the; http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en |
| 23:05.45 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, i didn't mean to putt you down but you should be able to solve basic X issues |
| 23:05.45 | plb | Has anyone seen thread-safe php5 packages out there? |
| 23:05.48 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: I've used Linux since 1998 but this beats me. |
| 23:06.01 | valdyn | Ahmadinejad: apt-get clean; apt-get install --reinstall <whatever> |
| 23:06.19 | riesebie | Ahmadinejad: I don't have a clue about PostgreSQL :( |
| 23:06.24 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, that truly amazes me |
| 23:06.37 | themill | plb: hah... nice joke. |
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| 23:06.47 | Ahmadinejad | lets see wether it work:) |
| 23:07.00 | kp_duck | tokyoeye: see you after reboot. :) |
| 23:07.13 | themill | plb: if you use the right apache mpm, then they are ok-ish. |
| 23:07.28 | Ahmadinejad | no still same problem:S |
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| 23:07.33 | tokyoeye | kp_duck, please try vesa mode. it should work on any card manufactured after 1995 (out of my hat) |
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| 23:07.36 | Ahmadinejad | Maybe i should make a reinstall:D |
| 23:07.47 | Ahmadinejad | I am master of resintalling |
| 23:07.59 | valdyn | Ahmadinejad: reinstalling is for the clueless and fixes few problems and is hardly ever efficient |
| 23:08.02 | plb | themill: I want to use the threaded mpm, to improve performace, but I can't downgrade to php4 |
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| 23:08.25 | Ahmadinejad | its faster to reinstall than finding the fails |
| 23:08.28 | shao_lap | how to check if my dvd-rom can actually read dvd-roms? |
| 23:08.33 | Ahmadinejad | but i am sick of it anyways |
| 23:08.37 | themill | plb: prefork is the only one recommended for php. sorry :) |
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| 23:09.10 | shao_lap | if I put a dvd into the drive, it makes a lot of evil noises and thunar doesnt see any dvd |
| 23:09.27 | valdyn | Ahmadinejad: 'debsums' provides ways to check the integrity of installed files, that's one way beyond blind reinstalls already |
| 23:09.28 | shao_lap | the drive is functional, it reads every cd |
| 23:09.32 | themill | plb: Unless you're serving pages like yahoo, I doubt the performance benefit is that great... particularly if you stick an accelerator in there. |
| 23:10.07 | Ahmadinejad | To tired for this now:) |
| 23:10.18 | Ahmadinejad | Late here in DK |
| 23:10.39 | jair | widrone: alright I readed ok. but it does not tells me how to configure the disk :( |
| 23:10.51 | jair | widrone: alright I think we can get something here |
| 23:11.03 | jair | widrone: I have the partitioning in front of me |
| 23:11.16 | jair | I am partitioning disk one ada |
| 23:11.18 | jair | sda |
| 23:11.22 | Ahmadinejad | bye |
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| 23:11.53 | jair | if i create a "/" etc will be in there and also tmp and also /usr etc.. right? |
| 23:12.01 | widrone | jair: Stick with it for some pages, the c.2 part has some examles. |
| 23:12.16 | jair | ok i will check |
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| 23:13.09 | neighbors | so I'm trying to upgrade an existing non-raid filesystem to a raid1, I was going to use this procedure: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Boot+Root+Raid+LILO-4.html |
| 23:13.14 | dendrite | jair: Let me try to explain: You *can* just create one "/" partition, and *everything* just goes in there. OR, you can create the /, but then create other partitions that "carve off" sections, such as /home, /var and so on. |
| 23:13.17 | neighbors | but can't find mkraid or any packages containing mkraid |
| 23:13.22 | neighbors | and I can't find a howto for mdadm |
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| 23:13.26 | simonrvn_ | mdadm |
| 23:13.30 | neighbors | anybody done this before and have some advice for me? |
| 23:13.31 | simonrvn_ | tldp.org |
| 23:13.46 | simonrvn_ | linux raid howto. now go read ;) |
| 23:13.48 | neighbors | the howto on tldp.org uses raidtools to do the conversion |
| 23:13.50 | neighbors | I have read it |
| 23:13.57 | simonrvn_ | use the new one, not the old one |
| 23:14.06 | simonrvn_ | new one uses mdadm |
| 23:14.11 | neighbors | ohhhh |
| 23:14.12 | neighbors | ok |
| 23:14.18 | neighbors | let me see if I can find the new one haven't seen it |
| 23:14.42 | riesebie | neighbors: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/rootraiddoc.97.html |
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| 23:14.52 | simonrvn_ | or that ;) |
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| 23:15.11 | tokyoeye | now please get it going on my nice sweet isci setup |
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| 23:15.31 | jair | ok dendrite widrone then all i need to know i think is what i will put on the lvm? "/" and also the others "/home" and "/var" and "/usr"? |
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| 23:15.52 | jair | what about the swap goes as lvm? |
| 23:15.54 | johnadsfsdfdf | does anyone know how I can setup addresses like name+modifier@domain.com |
| 23:16.02 | simonrvn_ | jair: you can |
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| 23:16.19 | dendrite | jair: LVM is a technology that works *beneath* the regular partitions. |
| 23:16.20 | simonrvn_ | johnadsfsdfdf: depends on your mta and mda |
| 23:16.22 | tokyoeye | johnadsfsdfdf, mta? |
| 23:16.32 | johnadsfsdfdf | exim |
| 23:16.59 | dendrite | jair: So, you create the VG under everything, then you create LV's to contain actual file systems. |
| 23:17.06 | tokyoeye | johnadsfsdfdf,man pages please |
| 23:17.10 | jair | I will do it this way other day, i will go safe and create one "/" = 10GB and "swap" = 1GB not in lvm and then the rest of partitions and disk on lvm |
| 23:17.21 | mustmr | www.augustao.org/xmenu.png - why is the menu cropped? |
| 23:17.33 | dendrite | jair: I'd put swap in lvm. |
| 23:17.42 | jair | so in the debian partitioner I can select "guided partition lvm" all partitions separated? |
| 23:17.55 | johnadsfsdfdf | is there a name for that type of email |
| 23:18.04 | johnadsfsdfdf | that i can search for... i dont really know what to call it |
| 23:18.43 | sponzor | how to restart apache? |
| 23:18.46 | sponzor | i forget :S |
| 23:18.53 | simonrvn | with the init script |
| 23:18.56 | rahul | man invoke-rc.d |
| 23:18.58 | tokyoeye | Joachim, exim alias |
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| 23:19.12 | jair | dendrite: just give me an example GOD I have 36GB and 140 the machine and the debian cd, just give me an lay out example? |
| 23:19.12 | tokyoeye | johnadsfsdfdf, and try: apropos exim |
| 23:19.15 | sponzor | service httpd restart wont vork |
| 23:19.23 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 23:19.23 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
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| 23:19.52 | stew | !red hat tools =~ s#rc.local=bootmisc; ## |
| 23:19.52 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 23:19.57 | stew | oh |
| 23:20.06 | tokyoeye | sponzor, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 23:20.10 | stew | there was already an addendum |
| 23:20.22 | sponzor | tnx |
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| 23:20.46 | dendrite | jair: sda1: 2 GB: /. sda2: 1GB swap. Everything else, combine in your VG. Then, create 2G partitions for /home, /usr, /var and /tmp. |
| 23:21.12 | geo-rge | sponzor: try invoke-rc.d (but you can also just run the script directly, it's in /etc/init.d/) |
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| 23:21.25 | dendrite | jair: The 2g "everything else" partitions are in LV's, in LVM. |
| 23:21.33 | sponzor | k |
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| 23:21.47 | dendrite | jair: And when a disk fills up, just lversize, and resize2fs, and away you go! |
| 23:21.54 | geo-rge | how is it possible to have a lvm / which includes its /boot? |
| 23:22.06 | Marupa | Trying to transcode a video and make the resultant file less than 30MB, I'd prefer h.264, but could someone suggest some command line options? |
| 23:22.21 | dendrite | geo-rge: System boots from /boot, then mounts / |
| 23:22.23 | jair | dendrite: Thank you :) |
| 23:22.34 | Sirius6032 | would anyone have an idea why my /media directory has no /usb showing in it? |
| 23:22.54 | geo-rge | dendrite: and that /boot can be in the same partition / is in (I'm thinking grub here right now) |
| 23:22.55 | dendrite | jair: NOte that my example leaves vast amounts of space unused. You can trivially allocate that anywhere you want... |
| 23:23.02 | tokyoeye | dendrite, so grub supports lbm in /boot? |
| 23:23.05 | geo-rge | ? |
| 23:23.25 | dendrite | geo-rge: Yes, it can, but I'd probably not try to boot from LVM. |
| 23:23.36 | dendrite | tokyoeye: I'm not certain about that, haven't needed to try it. |
| 23:23.45 | geo-rge | let me see what my choices are |
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| 23:24.07 | jair | dendrite: that is exaclty what i was looking for :) |
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| 23:24.48 | dendrite | jair: After you do it once or twice it starts to make sense. :-) |
| 23:25.02 | jair | dendrite: Thank you very much |
| 23:25.13 | dendrite | jair: You're welcome. |
| 23:25.15 | jair | I will have to spend sometime working on it and reading to understand it |
| 23:25.37 | dendrite | Reminds me, I need to convert /home on my notebook from LVM to KVM-encrypted... |
| 23:25.43 | jair | dendrite: now they are areas I need more help like how do i mount in the "/etc/fstab" a lv? |
| 23:25.53 | dendrite | jair: Is this an otherwise-empty machine? |
| 23:26.02 | jair | dendrite: yes |
| 23:26.04 | dendrite | jair: If you can afford to install a couple of times, do so. |
| 23:26.09 | dendrite | jair: Just try different things. |
| 23:26.13 | jair | dendrite: yes |
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| 23:26.21 | dendrite | jair: One thing you might do is install the absolute minimum from the installer. |
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| 23:26.46 | dendrite | jair: What I do is just get the absolute minimum installed, make sure it all works, and then apt-get my way to nirvana. |
| 23:27.11 | dendrite | jair: That way you can install different ways, and play with it, without wasting time installing pornview 8 different times. |
| 23:27.21 | jair | dendrite: but let's say i have all the system configured and i get a gift in december an 500GB drive and I want to add it to my system but as a separate vg and lv, how can I add it to the fstab so it came up each time i reboot? |
| 23:27.47 | dendrite | jair: First, you *can* just add it to the VG, and it will show up as available space. |
| 23:27.48 | jair | hahaha |
| 23:27.48 | geo-rge | dendrite: has anyone had any success doing so? (one thing that I might require before going to that, is a rescue disk which when booted has support for lvm so that I could potentiall repair/look/whatever |
| 23:27.58 | jair | dendrite: I see |
| 23:27.58 | geo-rge | resize partitions |
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| 23:28.12 | jair | dendrite: and I think you gave me the command to grow the disk |
| 23:28.18 | jair | or add a lv to the vg |
| 23:28.22 | dendrite | jair: Or, you can create a new VG, which can then be allocated into LV's, which then can be seen by and mounted from /etc/fstab. |
| 23:28.37 | jair | right |
| 23:28.45 | dendrite | geo-rge: I'd google for that one, sorry I don't know. |
| 23:28.56 | jair | dendrite: I will be back I will start the configuration of this system then |
| 23:29.02 | sponzor | how to add program to the system services and that it is automatically start when the system boots? |
| 23:29.04 | jair | dendrite: thank you very much |
| 23:29.08 | dendrite | jair: As root, type 'pv<tab><tab> and you'll see all (or most) of the pv commands, like pvscan. |
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| 23:29.20 | dendrite | jair: Then try lv<tab><tab> for the LV commands, like lvscan. |
| 23:29.32 | widrone | jair: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/commontask.html its a nice quick reference while you get to know it. |
| 23:29.44 | dendrite | jair: Also, try dpkg -L <package> | grep bin to see all the commands included in a package. |
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| 23:30.39 | Sponzor | anyone:P |
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| 23:30.53 | Vasistha | So -- it's not in debian, but I occasionally use adobe acrobat reader on my debian system. I'm a little concerned about privacy issues, and so I've been theorizing about some kinda way to prevent acrobat from accessing the internet (in order to "phone home" with javascript-embedded documents) ... the best idea I've come up with is to force the executable to run as a user that does not have internet privilege. Is this realistic? |
| 23:31.17 | junix-other | i can't get my nvidia card to work on the new kernel? |
| 23:31.32 | themill | !tell Sponzor about init script |
| 23:31.46 | junix-other | is anyone else having this issue? |
| 23:31.47 | geo-rge | dendrite: ok thanks |
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| 23:33.02 | Sponzor | uf |
| 23:33.06 | Sponzor | that isnt easy :D |
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| 23:33.38 | jetscreamer | define 'new kernel' junix-other |
| 23:33.43 | jetscreamer | as in version |
| 23:33.48 | junix-other | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 23:33.50 | junix-other | sorry |
| 23:33.53 | jetscreamer | .20 or .21 yes .. .18 will work |
| 23:33.59 | jetscreamer | .20 or .21 bork |
| 23:34.04 | junix-other | ok |
| 23:34.15 | jetscreamer | did you m-a a-i nvidia or what |
| 23:34.19 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 23:34.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:34.21 | themill | junix-other: is this after the recent security update from a couple of days ago? |
| 23:34.26 | junix-other | nvidia debian package |
| 23:34.32 | junix-other | themill: yes |
| 23:35.16 | themill | junix-other: you probably (possibly?) need to recompile the module as jetscreamer said |
| 23:35.44 | junix-other | themill: i used the debian nvidia pacakges |
| 23:35.58 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i -f nvidia |
| 23:36.16 | junix-other | why would i have to do that if i used the precompiled pacakges? |
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| 23:36.42 | themill | junix-other: they're not precompiled, they're just preprepared for easy compilation |
| 23:36.53 | junix-other | oh ok |
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| 23:37.34 | themill | junix-other: if you convince nvidia to submit their modules to the kernel and xorg, then that won't be necessary. |
| 23:37.43 | aly | hi i have already installed hdparm on my debian etch how can i use it for my all disk's like ubuntu ? |
| 23:38.00 | junix-other | themill: lol |
| 23:38.02 | junix-other | ok |
| 23:38.44 | junix-other | m-a isn't working |
| 23:38.45 | aly | :? |
| 23:39.37 | geo-rge | aly: first you'd need familiarity with what hdparm does as well as what you actually want to do with it... a knowledge of disks, how they fit into a linux/unix situation and how hdparm might affect them would help you too. |
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| 23:42.26 | jetscreamer | junix-other: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare ? |
| 23:42.38 | junix-other | jetscreamer: i am getting this in my logs: (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 |
| 23:42.38 | junix-other | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 23:42.38 | junix-other | Fatal server error: |
| 23:42.38 | junix-other | no screens found |
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| 23:43.01 | jetscreamer | next time just grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log junix-other |
| 23:43.04 | jetscreamer | and |
| 23:43.05 | nvz | junix-other: what does lspci say about your card and which driver are you using? |
| 23:43.06 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 23:43.06 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:43.11 | jetscreamer | nvz nvidia |
| 23:43.28 | nvz | jetscreamer: ah, and its an nvidia card too? :P |
| 23:43.38 | jetscreamer | well he claims it is... :) |
| 23:43.39 | junix-other | nvz: latest nvidia kernel provided by debian, and GeForce 4 |
| 23:43.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:43.53 | nvz | I see |
| 23:43.53 | jetscreamer | you need the legacy junix-other |
| 23:43.58 | jetscreamer | nvidia-legacy |
| 23:44.00 | junix-other | i do?! |
| 23:44.07 | nvz | yeah sounds like the driver doesnt support your card |
| 23:44.07 | jetscreamer | yes iirc |
| 23:44.10 | junix-other | fark! |
| 23:44.22 | nvz | so I'd remove it and install the right one if I were ou |
| 23:44.23 | jetscreamer | check the docs but i'm 'pretty' sure |
| 23:44.24 | nvz | you even |
| 23:44.34 | jetscreamer | !nvidia-legacy |
| 23:44.37 | jetscreamer | dang |
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| 23:44.43 | nvz | the xlog will tell you what cards the driver you selected supports |
| 23:44.47 | themill | goodnight all! |
| 23:44.55 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 23:45.13 | jetscreamer | so did they cancel battlestar galactica? |
| 23:45.23 | junix-other | no |
| 23:45.28 | junix-other | there is one more season |
| 23:45.34 | junix-other | starts in december range |
| 23:45.35 | zinx | scifi style season |
| 23:45.41 | zinx | huuuuuuuuuge break |
| 23:45.46 | nvz | compare the driver output in the log to the lspci output and I am sure you will reach the same conclusion the xserver did, your card isn't supported by that driver |
| 23:46.09 | junix-other | zinx: BSG is going to awsome this year |
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| 23:46.17 | junix-other | 4400 ended really well |
| 23:46.27 | jetscreamer | i see some of the bsg ppl on this new bionic woman is why i ask |
| 23:46.38 | junix-other | yeah |
| 23:46.47 | zinx | 4400 ended? or just the season ended? |
| 23:46.59 | junix-other | season |
| 23:47.02 | junix-other | season 4 |
| 23:47.03 | zinx | whew |
| 23:47.24 | junix-other | what? |
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| 23:47.46 | zinx | i thought you were saying it had ended for good :P |
| 23:48.13 | junix-other | no |
| 23:48.25 | jair | thank you widrone :) |
| 23:48.26 | zinx | hence the relief |
| 23:48.29 | jair | thank you dendrite |
| 23:48.53 | nvz | ugh sci-fi |
| 23:48.55 | jair | dendrite: last question where should I put the "/" and "swap" in the beginning at the end? |
| 23:49.20 | dendrite | jair: Probably doesn't really matter. I usually put 'em up front. |
| 23:49.48 | jair | dendrite: but if they are farther from the middle they run faster then? |
| 23:50.02 | junix-other | nvz: scifi?? |
| 23:50.15 | jair | dendrite: that is what i heard, you know the smaller disks (beginning) run slower |
| 23:50.30 | jair | dendrite: end of the disk bigger cilinder run faster ? |
| 23:50.40 | jair | or it does not really matter? |
| 23:50.48 | dendrite | jair: Well, you want your own files there then, right? :-) |
| 23:50.58 | dendrite | jair: And no, modern disks don't work that way. |
| 23:51.16 | jair | dendrite: so then it does not matter? |
| 23:51.19 | jair | just up front |
| 23:51.20 | dendrite | jair: Between modern disks that remap like crazy, and modern disk caching and file systems, it really does not matter. |
| 23:51.28 | jair | ok |
| 23:51.30 | jair | cool |
| 23:51.33 | jair | dendrite: thanks |
| 23:51.41 | jair | I am ready to the first round then :) |
| 23:51.41 | dendrite | jair: It's more important that you be able to look at your setup in 6 months and be able to grok what you did. |
| 23:51.50 | jair | yes |
| 23:51.54 | jair | dendrite: Thank you |
| 23:51.58 | dendrite | jair: Build a few to throw away, and try different options. |
| 23:52.29 | dendrite | jair: A machine you can bash around like this is a rare opportunity, don't waste it by only installing once! :-) |
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| 23:52.50 | jair | dendrite: alright |
| 23:52.59 | jair | dendrite: thank you for your time and help |
| 23:53.02 | dendrite | jair: Whatever floats your boat, of course. =) |
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| 23:53.08 | jair | dendrite: hahaha |
| 23:53.12 | jair | take care |
| 23:53.14 | titeuf87 | ugh, I tried to install to another flash card (that I'm sure it works), install booting with noapic and acpi=off, but I still get the same: hdd: lost interrupt error and fails at the installation |
| 23:53.18 | jair | I will go to do the install |
| 23:53.20 | titeuf87 | anyone has any idea what else I can try? |
| 23:53.22 | dendrite | jair: You're welcome. I hope it's good for you. I love this stuff. |
| 23:53.29 | jair | dendrite: me too man |
| 23:53.31 | jair | take care |
| 23:53.36 | dendrite | You too. |
| 23:53.47 | jair | dendrite: i am sure i will see you again around :) |
| 23:55.12 | dendrite | jair: Remember to always reboot again after you think everything is all set up. |
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| 23:55.20 | sf7_ | how to find out which shell im in? |
| 23:55.22 | titeuf87 | http://paste.debian.net/38312 this is the full error I get |
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