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| 00:04.20 | flyinprogramer | hey hey hey everyone |
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| 00:08.23 | junix-other | jetscreamer: legay kernell didn't work |
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| 00:12.01 | rmaj | hmm how to set font in VT? to be something like say 120x50 or whatever |
| 00:12.36 | amphi | rmaj: you want fbconsole for that, probably |
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| 00:13.26 | rmaj | amphi: cool, and how to? |
| 00:14.19 | amphi | rmaj: see Documentation/fb/* in the kernel documentation for info, IIRC |
| 00:14.28 | rmaj | uhm |
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| 00:15.15 | rmaj | w |
| 00:15.30 | rmaj | sorry wrong key... binds in gtk dont work |
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| 00:27.54 | Anna13 | Does anyone have knowledge on how to change the blocklist for Moblock |
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| 00:29.54 | avtobiff | i have a problem with xkb. trying to create my own layout but it does not work. even if i have an empty the entire "language symbols file" does not work. what can i do to fix it? similar to this: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-252018-highlight-xkb+keymap+falling+prexkb+keymap.html |
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| 00:35.34 | mustmr | #ted |
| 00:35.45 | mustmr | oops |
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| 00:39.36 | jetscreamer | junix-other: did you check the docs? did you install nvidia-glx-legacy also? |
| 00:41.35 | junix-other | jetscreamer: no i haven't had to do that since i have a GF4 |
| 00:41.42 | junix-other | i'll check it later |
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| 00:44.17 | toon | how do I install an older package in debian? I want the sarge-version of libxerces-c |
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| 00:49.00 | DustyDingo | is there a way to execute a command at the beginning of a bash session, without terminating the bash after the comand does? |
| 00:49.32 | dkr | DustyDingo: just put it in your .bashrc |
| 00:49.33 | DustyDingo | and without placing it in bashrc of course? |
| 00:49.44 | dkr | why "of course"? |
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| 00:50.44 | DustyDingo | uh, because i don't ask such easy questions here ;) |
| 00:50.44 | dkr | it would only cause the shell to exit if you run the command with exec |
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| 00:51.43 | DustyDingo | what i need it for is to run an aterm with a process at the beginning, and when this process finishes i still have a shell in the same window |
| 00:51.49 | dkr | execute commands when your shell starts is the whole reason for .bashrc to exist, though, and .profile for non-interactive shells |
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| 00:52.13 | dalias | dkr, .profile is not for non-interactive shells. it's for login shells |
| 00:52.38 | dkr | ah, the other way around? I don't use bash myself, :) |
| 00:52.56 | dalias | this is for all bourne shells not just bash :) |
| 00:53.01 | dalias | anyway hmmm |
| 00:53.15 | dalias | why not just make a script that does: |
| 00:53.20 | dalias | #!/bin/sh |
| 00:53.23 | dalias | your_command |
| 00:53.24 | dalias | bash |
| 00:53.33 | dalias | and run that script in the xterm |
| 00:53.53 | dalias | in fact you could replace the second line (bash) with "exec bash" instead |
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| 00:54.46 | DustyDingo | hm, that would be a bit complicated, but it should work |
| 00:54.49 | dkr | or just run the command in background command& |
| 00:55.33 | DustyDingo | because there i need lots of small scripts |
| 00:57.27 | DustyDingo | the best solution would be, if there exists a bash command line option for that |
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| 00:59.31 | stiv2k | hey i just updated my system and for some reason none of my gnome panel applets are loading is this a known problem |
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| 01:04.03 | jack|Helium | hello, I'm having suspend/hibernate problems |
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| 01:05.24 | jair | dendrite: a quick question :( why it keeps telling me that I can not get the LV with 146GB at least? =>http://rafb.net/p/RbOcA677.html |
| 01:05.55 | jack|Helium | I can't figure out what is providing suspend to RAM (it's not /etc/acpi/sleep.sh , which is what I want it to be...), but whatever it is does not re-initialize the keyboard in x or something, because if I do it inside X, I can't use they keyboard afterward |
| 01:06.20 | jair | anyone here I am trying to create a LV of a 146.8 drive I added to my suystem and I keep getting this error??? :( why it keeps telling me that I can not get the LV with 146GB at least? =>http://rafb.net/p/RbOcA677.html |
| 01:06.51 | jack|Helium | hibernate works, but for some reason it's not mapped to the hibernate button (Fn + F12)... |
| 01:07.04 | jack|Helium | I have an IBM thinkpad A21m |
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| 01:07.26 | jack|Helium | can anyone give me some help? |
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| 01:08.54 | Tramp | jair: because the vg has not enough space, as the error says |
| 01:09.20 | jair | Tramp: I got it :) |
| 01:09.28 | jair | Tramp: google is a good friend |
| 01:09.42 | jair | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/nofreeext.html |
| 01:09.43 | Tramp | jair: run vgdisplay and it shows you interesting information about your VGs. |
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| 01:09.51 | jair | for anyone that have the same issue |
| 01:09.55 | jair | in the future |
| 01:09.58 | jair | :) |
| 01:10.02 | jair | Tramp: thanks |
| 01:10.17 | jack|Helium | anyone have any experience with debian suspend to disk/ram |
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| 01:12.24 | rowlandchane | Hi in there |
| 01:12.43 | rowlandchane | can anybody help me with autotools stuff? |
| 01:12.45 | derrik | I am having trouble running PHP5 on Apache2, the mod is enabled but no scripts are running. What could cause php to not run? |
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| 01:14.12 | jack|Helium | derrik: I use lighttpd, but I seem to remember needing some amount of set up first... |
| 01:14.29 | GarryFre | I need to install wine in debian 4.1r1 but when I try this garry is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 01:14.30 | GarryFre | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.38 | GarryFre | filel but I can't get it to work. |
| 01:15.06 | Supaplex | GarryFre: run visudo as root, make garry and root look identical. |
| 01:15.16 | Supaplex | w/o changing the root line :) |
| 01:15.25 | derrik | jack|Helium: hmm, do have link for a tutorial or something? |
| 01:15.55 | GarryFre | I can't figure out vi. Its key configurations is like nothing I've ever seen. |
| 01:16.15 | GarryFre | every time I try that, it wrecks the file and I have to hit reset to get out. |
| 01:16.23 | Supaplex | try nano |
| 01:16.35 | GarryFre | tried nano, did that it don't work |
| 01:16.42 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 01:16.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 01:16.43 | GarryFre | I'm used to nano |
| 01:17.07 | GarryFre | It continues to say "garry is not in the sudoers file, this will be reported. |
| 01:17.21 | amphi | heh |
| 01:17.46 | stiv2k | hey i just updated my system and for some reason none of my gnome panel applets are loading is this a known problem |
| 01:18.55 | jack|Helium | derrik: for apache or lighttpd? |
| 01:18.59 | Supaplex | stiv2k: for etch? lenny? sid? tucows? potato? ubuntu? freebsd? sarge? what "system/release"? |
| 01:19.02 | GarryFre | Time to screw up my system trying to do visudo |
| 01:19.12 | derrik | jack|Helium: apache |
| 01:19.18 | stiv2k | Supaplex: sid |
| 01:19.24 | Supaplex | stiv2k: and bts? |
| 01:19.33 | stiv2k | Supaplex: bts?? |
| 01:19.37 | Supaplex | GarryFre: EDITOR=nano visudo (all on the same line) |
| 01:19.41 | Supaplex | !btssmite stiv2k |
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| 01:19.53 | stiv2k | hehe |
| 01:20.01 | stiv2k | i been using unstable for a while |
| 01:20.06 | stiv2k | never had a problem like this before |
| 01:21.00 | Supaplex | sure, unstable from 2001 is still sid, but comeon... |
| 01:21.32 | stiv2k | i guess they told me to expect problems w/ gnome in sid cause whenever a new release comes out there's always mad bugs |
| 01:21.44 | stiv2k | so w/e it is it'll work itself out i guess? |
| 01:21.53 | Supaplex | stiv2k: anyway, chances are, if someone knows about that bug, it's on bts. If you can confirm it's not limited to your profile or system, use reportbug |
| 01:22.02 | GarryFre | Thanks, that did it. |
| 01:22.03 | stiv2k | Supaplex: ok |
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| 01:22.27 | Supaplex | GarryFre: it's a picnic eh? :) |
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| 01:22.57 | xzero | Are the nvidia drivers present in lenny anywhere? I have the non-free and contrib added, but I can only see legacy drivers in there in apt-cache.. |
| 01:23.22 | GarryFre | Supaplex Yep, sure is. :) |
| 01:24.08 | jack|Helium | anyone know anything about debian suspend/sleep here? |
| 01:24.12 | venger | how to configure timezone? tzconfig does not exist |
| 01:24.34 | GarryFre | Thanks kindly folks. |
| 01:24.47 | Supaplex | venger: libc6: /usr/sbin/tzconfig |
| 01:25.06 | Tramp | derrik: What happens if you trie to load a .php-file? |
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| 01:25.33 | derrik | Tramp: the browser asks me if i want to download it |
| 01:25.42 | Supaplex | !tell jack|Helium about hibernation |
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| 01:25.53 | derrik | Tramp: php in an html file simply doesnt run |
| 01:25.59 | alekz | How can I change the icon of a shortcut by command line in kde or gnome ( I need to change it in both )? |
| 01:26.08 | Tramp | derrik: Do you have /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini? |
| 01:26.08 | venger | i guess something is not right since libc6 is installed but /usr/sbin/tzconfig doesn't exist. This is a debootstrap sid box however |
| 01:26.32 | xlotlu | jack|Helium: what's your problem? |
| 01:26.45 | derrik | Tramp: yeah, it's there |
| 01:26.48 | Supaplex | vanksi: I'm using etch, so aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/tzconfig |
| 01:27.15 | Supaplex | !suspend |
| 01:27.15 | dpkg | somebody said suspend was check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 01:27.26 | Tramp | derrik: Is there a line saying "engine=On" |
| 01:27.33 | derrik | Tramp: yes |
| 01:27.51 | Tramp | derrik: And have you restarted the server after adding the module? |
| 01:28.45 | derrik | Tramp: I don't know. PHP and Apache were already set up before I got an account |
| 01:28.55 | derrik | Tramp: I have restarted the web server though |
| 01:28.57 | dakoo | venger: ln -vis /usr/share/zoneinfo/<your zone> /etc/localtime ; apt-get install ntpdate; ntpdate -u server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 01:29.50 | Tramp | derrik: So how do you know that the module is enabled? |
| 01:30.17 | jack|Helium | xlotlu: hold on while I reboot... |
| 01:31.28 | derrik | Tramp: I ran a2enmod and when I added the PHP5 module to httpd.conf (which I know isn't the right way), apache complained that php5 was already enabled. |
| 01:32.21 | stiv2k | Supaplex: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_CPUFreqApplet" |
| 01:33.04 | Supaplex | stiv2k: I'm afraid of gnomes. :) |
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| 01:33.33 | simonrvn | !gnomesmite Supaplex |
| 01:33.38 | derrik | Tramp: I really don't know if it's enabled. That's part of my problem |
| 01:33.43 | Tramp | derrik: You have php5.* in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
| 01:34.15 | Supaplex | derrik: did you clear your webcache? |
| 01:34.23 | simonrvn | derrik: once you've done a2enmod you also need to configure apache to use the right file types |
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| 01:34.46 | venger | dakoo, thanks for that |
| 01:34.55 | simonrvn | grep -ni php /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 01:35.05 | derrik | Tramp: Yes, links to php5.conf and php5.load |
| 01:35.21 | stiv2k | Supaplex: what wm you use? |
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| 01:35.37 | derrik | Supaplex: No I didn't. How do I clear my webcache? |
| 01:35.58 | Supaplex | stiv2k: kde or flwm. depends on what box i'm on |
| 01:36.12 | rmaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.12 | rmaj | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 01:36.14 | derrik | simonrvn: In php5.conf right? |
| 01:36.15 | rmaj | what am I doing wrong? |
| 01:36.19 | stiv2k | Supaplex: oh cool |
| 01:36.24 | stiv2k | Supaplex: i dont much like KDE... |
| 01:36.41 | Supaplex | I'm indifferent if the box is fast enough. :p |
| 01:36.42 | titeuf87 | woot, I got my install actually working now. Had to use the generic ide parameter at boot prompt. Can anyone quickly explain to me what it does? |
| 01:36.58 | Tramp | derrik: Do you have /server-info (i.e. the info-module enabled)? |
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| 01:37.01 | Supaplex | titeuf87: the whosawhatit? |
| 01:37.40 | titeuf87 | Supaplex: was something like generic and ide that I had to pass as boot parameter. I'll look up exactly what it was |
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| 01:37.42 | simonrvn | derrik: no |
| 01:37.50 | Supaplex | titeuf87: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 01:37.53 | simonrvn | .:21:34:55:. < simonrvn> grep -ni php /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 01:37.55 | derrik | Tramp: No, I don't think so. |
| 01:38.36 | titeuf87 | supaplex: you saved me time now :) Is generic.all_generic_ide=1 What does that actually do? |
| 01:38.46 | derrik | simonrvn: where do I set the types? |
| 01:38.54 | nvz | simonrvn: whats with all the whitespace in that theme? |
| 01:38.57 | Supaplex | titeuf87: humm. no idea. that's new to me. |
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| 01:39.36 | Tramp | simonrvn: well, for me it works without any references in apache2.conf... |
| 01:39.55 | rmaj | are iptables broken in debian? |
| 01:39.57 | titeuf87 | oh well, it works now so I don't complain, was just out of curiousity :) |
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| 01:40.11 | Supaplex | rmaj: no |
| 01:40.19 | nvz | rmaj: ... ? bugs.debian.org? |
| 01:40.28 | dendrite | rmaj: Probably no more broken than elsewhere. :-) |
| 01:40.29 | nvz | ... rtfm |
| 01:40.30 | Supaplex | !confuse rmaj |
| 01:40.30 | dpkg | Yes, where are your hamster yesterday, rmaj? pants of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 01:40.42 | rmaj | Supaplex: then why iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT gives: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
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| 01:41.08 | Supaplex | rmaj: operator error |
| 01:41.16 | Supaplex | (guess) |
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| 01:41.25 | nvz | there goes them peers again resetting peoples connections |
| 01:41.45 | tcoppi|laptop | hey |
| 01:41.56 | rmaj | hmm |
| 01:41.58 | rmaj | Supaplex: then why iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT gives: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 01:42.04 | nvz | heh |
| 01:42.09 | tcoppi|laptop | is there any way to make apt-get use a socks proxy? |
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| 01:42.37 | Tramp | rmaj: What gives iptables -nvL ? |
| 01:42.52 | nvz | tcoppi|laptop: why would you do that? |
| 01:43.17 | Tramp | derrik: I recommend to enable the info-module, then check, if the php-module is really running. |
| 01:43.19 | tcoppi|laptop | nvz: I'm behind a firewall and the only way I can access the network is through a proxy |
| 01:43.27 | Supaplex | rmaj: works here. |
| 01:43.36 | tcoppi|laptop | downloading packages and installing by hand is getting tiring |
| 01:43.43 | derrik | Tramp: I'll try that, thanks! |
| 01:43.45 | nvz | I see |
| 01:43.50 | rmaj | Tramp: http://cpp.tastethepaste.org/208 |
| 01:43.58 | rmaj | Supaplex: Im on 2.6.22.9 kernel btw |
| 01:43.59 | Supaplex | supaplex@armada:~$ sudo iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 01:44.03 | Supaplex | supaplex@armada:~$ echo $? |
| 01:44.05 | Supaplex | 0 |
| 01:44.14 | Supaplex | rmaj: well it would have helped to explain that. that's not a debian kernel is it? |
| 01:44.40 | nvz | tcoppi|laptop: man sources.list, see URI SPECIFICATION |
| 01:44.42 | rmaj | Supaplex: no it is not. It is also not kosher btw |
| 01:45.01 | asg | rmaj: did you compile ipt_state support in? |
| 01:45.05 | Supaplex | rmaj: what's kosher have to do with it? |
| 01:45.08 | rmaj | asg: into what? |
| 01:45.24 | rmaj | Supaplex: dunno, and what kernel version have to do? |
| 01:45.36 | ameyer | speaking of "not kosher", mmm, pork fried rice |
| 01:45.44 | rmaj | asg: iptables as from debian, kernel config is the one that always worked I think |
| 01:45.49 | nvz | tcoppi|laptop: does that answer your question? |
| 01:45.54 | Supaplex | rmaj: make oldconfig is your friend. |
| 01:46.03 | rmaj | Supaplex: I know |
| 01:46.07 | tcoppi|laptop | nvz: yeah that would work, I will have to set up a local privoxy first though |
| 01:46.12 | tcoppi|laptop | nvz: thanks |
| 01:46.21 | asg | rmaj: generally, that error comes from not having iptables state support compiled in or as a module. |
| 01:46.31 | rmaj | asg: so its a bug in my kernel? |
| 01:46.34 | rmaj | 's config |
| 01:47.12 | asg | rmaj: maybe, I can't say for 2.6.22.9, that's not a stable Debian kernel. |
| 01:47.37 | popt | I tried to set system clock time after reboot |
| 01:47.39 | popt | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 01:47.47 | Supaplex | rmaj: copy an old config from a debian release, run make oldconfig (take the defaults) and try with that. |
| 01:47.51 | popt | as perterS said |
| 01:47.52 | rmaj | hmm yeah its my fault I missconfigured kernel :( |
| 01:48.01 | popt | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 01:48.01 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.14 | nvz | popt: its your nick you tell us.. |
| 01:48.19 | sinizzl | u guys are ghey |
| 01:48.27 | Nyle | why? |
| 01:48.28 | ameyer | no, u r |
| 01:48.28 | rmaj | sinizzl: orly? |
| 01:48.31 | nvz | sinizzl: u kant spel |
| 01:48.33 | rmaj | sinizzl: and u mister are outta here |
| 01:48.34 | popt | nvz, did i? |
| 01:48.42 | Nyle | 09:48 >>>> sinizzl (i=christia@cable-dynamic-87-245-93-82.shinternet.ch) |
| 01:48.44 | Nyle | 09:48 >>>> channels : #debian #ubuntu |
| 01:48.49 | Nyle | go figure |
| 01:48.52 | Nyle | an Ubuntard |
| 01:48.52 | ameyer | god, I h8 AOLese |
| 01:48.54 | nvz | popt: i'd say so.. who else would make your nick 'popt' |
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| 01:49.01 | Azar | hello honorables!!! |
| 01:49.02 | popt | I meant I set clock as perterS told me how to do it |
| 01:49.05 | popt | yesterday |
| 01:49.10 | Nyle | Azar: my main man dude homie bro and nvz too |
| 01:49.18 | Nyle | =D |
| 01:49.21 | nvz | Nyle: nice flood dumb ass :P |
| 01:49.28 | Nyle | why thank you :D |
| 01:49.29 | Azar | hey Nyle !!! hai nvz! |
| 01:49.41 | popt | nvz, :confused: |
| 01:50.02 | nvz | 21:48 < popt> <-- what does this mean? |
| 01:50.13 | Azar | popt: you can take nvz's word as good as peterS, he is a seasoned helper here |
| 01:50.32 | Nyle | Azar: I wonder sometimes |
| 01:50.39 | nvz | heh |
| 01:50.40 | asg | nvz: s/<--/^^^/ |
| 01:50.42 | Azar | Nyle: hehe |
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| 01:50.49 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:50.50 | popt | but my nick really matters? just for this Question |
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| 01:51.05 | nvz | seems to me your nick was the question |
| 01:51.09 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.20 | nvz | now I'm curious |
| 01:51.22 | asg | popt: that was for nvz, not you |
| 01:51.40 | dakoo | whats going on here |
| 01:51.52 | rmaj | we are beeing trolled |
| 01:51.56 | Azar | <--- (| |
| 01:51.57 | dakoo | i need names |
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| 01:52.23 | popt | pop & push, I love algorithm :) |
| 01:52.26 | dakoo | people starting that my distro is better than yours crap? |
| 01:52.27 | asg | dakoo: 21:47 < sinizzl> u guys are ghey |
| 01:52.41 | dakoo | no way, someone get me some rope |
| 01:52.42 | Nyle | hey |
| 01:52.54 | nvz | @.@ |
| 01:53.15 | Nyle | why |
| 01:53.19 | Azar | hehehe |
| 01:53.34 | dakoo | let me fire up john the ripper on his shadow |
| 01:53.46 | Azar | sinizzl is romanian |
| 01:54.13 | nvz | wth was popt even trying to do |
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| 01:54.25 | popt | what happened |
| 01:54.29 | nvz | you tell me |
| 01:54.30 | popt | my irc client |
| 01:54.33 | Nyle | what |
| 01:54.36 | asg | nvz: ask about why select() to /dev/trc to waith for clock tick time out |
| 01:54.49 | Nyle | asg: english... please. |
| 01:54.52 | Nyle | oof |
| 01:54.53 | nvz | what the hell does that mean? |
| 01:55.09 | dakoo | popt: explain yourself with that dev stuff |
| 01:55.12 | nvz | and what does popt mean? |
| 01:55.14 | ameyer | Azar: except his ip is .cn |
| 01:55.14 | Azar | in any case... this ath5k story is fascinating me... if anyone interested for a good bathroom read: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2007/ath5k-code-analysis.html |
| 01:55.26 | Nyle | ameyer: ch |
| 01:55.28 | Azar | ameyer: that's a wig |
| 01:55.36 | Nyle | you're a wig |
| 01:55.40 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:55.46 | dakoo | you are mising sql with devfs and then with c calls, what the hell is that |
| 01:55.46 | Nyle | hey whats up |
| 01:55.56 | Azar | Nyle: chillin, just came from work |
| 01:56.12 | Nyle | wow we are 4 hours apart |
| 01:56.18 | ameyer | yeah, I guess it is swiss |
| 01:56.23 | Azar | Nyle: nice, come closer by the month |
| 01:56.25 | dakoo | merkin |
| 01:56.45 | Azar | OK, who is gonna do the honors and officially open the weekend? |
| 01:57.14 | Azar | maybe popt he is new here |
| 01:57.28 | popt | after I run this scripts: hwclock --systohc --localtime |
| 01:58.04 | popt | I got this message in shell : select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 01:58.26 | popt | how can I set systime to hdclock |
| 01:58.42 | nvz | OIC |
| 01:59.03 | popt | Azar, maybe popt he is new here <-- confused |
| 01:59.13 | nvz | we're all confused |
| 01:59.43 | popt | <nvz> and what does popt mean? <-- does it really matter to you, Ive answered it |
| 01:59.54 | popt | confused what? |
| 02:01.27 | Swat2 | popt: i think azar was refering to you asking the first "*nix" question because you appear to be "new" here |
| 02:01.35 | Guerin | he's not really |
| 02:01.40 | Swat2 | and hence... officially opening the weekend |
| 02:02.03 | Guerin | no idea how ling he's been using *n?x but he's been here on and off for a wee while |
| 02:02.34 | Swat2 | *shrug* perhaps Azar hasnt seen him :) |
| 02:02.39 | nvz | popt: what kind of computer is this? |
| 02:03.35 | nvz | popt: and what kernel version? |
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| 02:03.52 | nvz | tell me its not a laptop |
| 02:04.09 | popt | uname -a |
| 02:04.09 | popt | Linux 2.6.18-5-k7 #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 01:26:37 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:04.21 | popt | it IS a laptop |
| 02:04.59 | nvz | try hwclock --systohc --directisa --localtime |
| 02:05.38 | popt | add --directisa? |
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| 02:05.56 | nvz | erm |
| 02:06.41 | popt | only on an ISA machine or an Alpha (which imple†|
| 02:06.42 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.42 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.06 | popt | my notebook is an ISA machine? |
| 02:07.21 | nvz | put the output of dmesg in rafb.net/paste |
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| 02:07.39 | popt | ok |
| 02:07.45 | popt | wait a bit |
| 02:07.54 | nvz | sounds like a kernel or hardware issue to me |
| 02:08.24 | nvz | running a stable debian kernel so idk.. |
| 02:08.46 | HellDragon | hm |
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| 02:08.52 | HellDragon | nvz: nothing is stable :p |
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| 02:09.11 | popt | yes, 2.6.18-5-k7 is a stable kernel, I didn't compile myself |
| 02:09.14 | nvz | HellDragon: something is obviously unstable here |
| 02:09.17 | LAMP707 | new to debian - is there a built in firewall - that's easy to configure? |
| 02:09.25 | nvz | HellDragon: the log only knows why |
| 02:09.26 | popt | have a cum....one at home though |
| 02:09.31 | HellDragon | yeah |
| 02:09.35 | popt | no |
| 02:09.42 | popt | no buit in firewall |
| 02:09.56 | nvz | wth are you rambling on about? |
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| 02:10.02 | popt | shorewall is a good start to you if you run gnomo |
| 02:10.04 | LAMP707 | iptables here we go..... |
| 02:10.14 | amphi | LAMP707: iptables or any of the frontends |
| 02:10.26 | popt | but for a newbie, let him play a GUI is fun |
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| 02:10.41 | LAMP707 | just trying to block everything but 80, 21 and 22 for now |
| 02:10.54 | LAMP707 | ipchains will prob be the simplest |
| 02:11.12 | LAMP707 | if i can find my cheat sheet - it's been awhile |
| 02:12.00 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.05 | popt | no error message |
| 02:12.15 | popt | but hwclock --systohc --localtime |
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| 02:12.48 | jack|Helium | I have returned, knowing now exactly what the problem is... |
| 02:12.49 | nvz | yeah well I still have lots of unanswered questions |
| 02:12.58 | popt | will pop the message I just posted: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 02:13.10 | nvz | which makes me hungry and confused |
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| 02:15.38 | popt | do I have to add --directisa to make it work? |
| 02:16.12 | jack|Helium | I'm having a suspend to disk problem: whenever I do it inside gnome by pressing the hotkey, when I wake up again, the keyboard is frozen. However, if I do it manually (inside gnome) with echo "mem" > /sys/power/state, it works just fine. If i press the hotkey in the login screen or have gdm/gnome off entirely, it works fine as well |
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| 02:16.47 | popt | thanks all |
| 02:17.07 | jack|Helium | anyone know why/how to fix it. |
| 02:17.08 | popt | at least this comaand works |
| 02:17.19 | jack|Helium | I have an ibm laptop if it helps |
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| 02:22.30 | cooner750 | hello |
| 02:22.43 | cooner750 | I want to add a program to run at boot time |
| 02:22.51 | cooner750 | In rc.local, do I put my command before "exit 0" ? |
| 02:23.23 | asg | !rc.local |
| 02:23.23 | dpkg | i heard rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 02:23.23 | amphi | cooner750: put it after would lead only to delay and disappointment |
| 02:23.29 | amphi | *putting |
| 02:23.34 | Cataphract | how do I make this not fail if there's no file matching *.jpg or *.JPG: tar --no-recursion --ignore-case --no-wildcards-match-slash -cf - *.jpg *.JPG ? thanks |
| 02:24.33 | popt | what command to check hardware clock now |
| 02:24.44 | popt | hwclock --show |
| 02:24.44 | popt | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 02:24.59 | popt | still, this message |
| 02:25.52 | popt | found |
| 02:26.40 | dendrite | Egads, you dust off a VM and then get to watch all the security updates come rolling in.. Wheee. |
| 02:27.26 | dendrite | "From apt to whiptail, they're on it." |
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| 02:29.21 | jack|Helium | anyone know why my suspend isn't working,but only INSIDE gnome? |
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| 02:35.28 | `ns` | did an apt-get upgrade on my deb/testing box recently, and can no longer mount camera/usbdrive, getting /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device ... any ideas ? (was working before upgrade) |
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| 02:51.01 | Greyscale | bed now, night night |
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| 02:52.28 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 02:53.06 | [Nige] | can anyone tell me how to get com port information out of etch? I would like to know things like the driver used etc... |
| 02:53.49 | Azar | [Nige]: lspci maybe |
| 02:54.41 | `ns` | heh, found the problem .... upgrade had removed the usb-storage module .... handy, that |
| 02:54.41 | [Nige] | Azar I have tried that |
| 02:54.48 | [Nige] | but nothing is there about Serial ports |
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| 02:57.00 | Azar | [Nige]: also you can see info when you boot in console mode... |
| 02:57.30 | [Nige] | I can do that with dmesg right? |
| 02:59.35 | Azar | yep that too |
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| 03:03.20 | esaym | what is a good gui front end for SSH? |
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| 03:03.33 | esaym | I used to us fish in konqueror but it is broken in lenny now... |
| 03:04.25 | dalias | huh? |
| 03:04.32 | dalias | why would you need a frontend to ssh? |
| 03:05.05 | dragonheart | konsole :-) |
| 03:05.09 | esaym | I don't know, I like to see the files |
| 03:05.29 | esaym | right click, edit, yadda yadda yadda |
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| 03:07.44 | Azar | Nyle |
| 03:07.56 | esaym | plus I just now set up a new server, trying to use scp to copy several 100 files all in different directories is really going to suck..... |
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| 03:17.11 | Max_- | I'm actually installing Debian for the very first time... I'm wondering what is on the "predefined collections of software"... I wouldn't like to have too many useless programs, so is there a list of what these collections contain? (Desktop environment, Web server, ..., File server, Mail server, SQL database, Standard system) |
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| 03:20.33 | amphi | Max_-: you could just not bother with any of them, and install the packages you want |
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| 03:21.21 | Azar | ok let's have some weekend fun read: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/25/inmates_suit_claims_o_j_simpson_is_hitman_for_steve_jobs.html |
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| 03:21.47 | Max_- | amphi : ... it for sure is an option... maybe I should do this to better know what is on my system |
| 03:21.47 | Azar | Max_-: sure, holdon |
| 03:21.57 | Max_- | Azar : thanks |
| 03:22.15 | Azar | Max_-: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 03:22.39 | Azar | Max_-: Debian has 3 version each having its own repository with its own packages (software) |
| 03:22.59 | popt | there are option let you decide which service or package you want to install |
| 03:23.25 | Azar | when you install one of the 3 versions, you can: select desktop, server, or just basic install (then you install manually only what you need/like) |
| 03:23.53 | popt | yes. just as Azar said |
| 03:24.41 | Max_- | Azar : ... that's because I'm actually in front of the software selection window.. and there's absolutely no question of these 3 versions... there are collections of softwares I can install as I listed above... maybe the choices for installation changed? |
| 03:24.45 | Azar | not sure what Etch default installs, but I usually go for the very basic installation |
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| 03:25.07 | dendrite | 5 |
| 03:25.14 | dendrite | Oops. |
| 03:25.18 | Max_- | Azar : I guess I'd better do it... |
| 03:25.23 | Azar | uh I would guess it asks you about "desktop", "server" ... and such? |
| 03:25.29 | Tramp | maybe tasksel --task-packages is what Max_- wants. |
| 03:25.49 | Azar | maybe? |
| 03:25.54 | Max_- | yes |
| 03:25.59 | Max_- | well not exactly |
| 03:26.05 | Max_- | they have |
| 03:26.05 | Azar | Max_-: what the list offers? |
| 03:26.30 | Max_- | Desktop environment, Web server, Print server, DNS server, File server, Mail server, SQL database, Laptop, and Standard system |
| 03:27.09 | Azar | Standard is the basic, Desktop comes with a GUI feature, Laptop I guess would add wifi |
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| 03:27.22 | amphi | Max_-: I would just do a base-install, and then use aptitude to install what you want |
| 03:27.30 | Azar | I guess if you do not need, leave servers out |
| 03:27.34 | Max_- | Azar : okay! |
| 03:27.42 | null | Question: I need xlibs-dev, but I'm running Etch and it's apparently only available in Sarge. What can I do? |
| 03:27.43 | Azar | amphi: base-install comes with no X |
| 03:27.56 | amphi | Azar: yes, I know |
| 03:27.57 | Max_- | well I'll need all these, but I'm maybe better choose the software itself... |
| 03:27.57 | Azar | Max_-: if you must have icons n stuff, go for Desktop |
| 03:28.35 | Azar | Max_-: Standard (base) gets you in console mode...which is good if you have time/want to learn |
| 03:28.37 | Max_- | will desktop install kde or gnome, or both, or none? with tons of useless apps? or not? :P |
| 03:28.39 | amphi | Azar: aptitude has an incisive ncurses interface ;) |
| 03:28.48 | amphi | Max_-: gnome, I believe |
| 03:28.51 | Max_- | Azar : I would like to learn more yes |
| 03:28.55 | Max_- | okay |
| 03:28.57 | Azar | Max_-: not sure but gnome is the default |
| 03:29.13 | Azar | go for Standard then, you can install kde or gnome later |
| 03:29.16 | Max_- | ok.. thought I could give another try to kde this time... |
| 03:29.20 | Max_- | okay |
| 03:29.39 | null | Max_-, Azar, amphi any idea? :/ |
| 03:30.16 | Max_- | it says, before the list for selecting the collections, that I already have the core of the system installed (but only the core..) am I okay to uncheck everything? |
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| 03:30.29 | Max_- | null : I'm very new to debian, I don't know, sorry. |
| 03:30.30 | amphi | null: I'm not on etch, but ask apt-cache about xlib and dev |
| 03:31.40 | amphi | null: libx11-dev perhaps |
| 03:32.06 | cayres | any hints on how a redirect router would look like in exim to route all email to foo-*@domain.com to anotherhost.com? |
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| 03:33.26 | Azar | Max_-: if everything is checked uncheck what you do not want/need |
| 03:33.28 | Max_- | last thing... if I install KDE or GNOME later, and I then, after that, install amarok for example, are the icons in the menus and everything going to appear by themselves using apt-get install ? |
| 03:33.34 | Max_- | Azar : ok |
| 03:33.50 | lvmnew | hello folks what could be the possible reasons be for a traceroute between 2 local systems on a lan give host (192.168.5.10) 0.273 ms !X 0.248 ms !X 0.231 ms !X |
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| 03:34.17 | Azar | Max_-: I would guess the desktop of your choice will install icons for your applications ( I don't use a desktop ) |
| 03:34.42 | Max_- | Azar : humm... I'll know it.. I chose to install nothing |
| 03:34.50 | Max_- | I'll do it all one thing at a time |
| 03:34.54 | Max_- | >.< |
| 03:34.55 | Max_- | lol |
| 03:35.02 | Azar | Max_-: I only have chosen C |
| 03:35.24 | Azar | but that was on an older version.. :) |
| 03:35.57 | Max_- | haha okay :P |
| 03:36.08 | Max_- | woohoo, Installation complete :) |
| 03:36.23 | Max_- | Hope I won't get these problems I was having with ubuntu |
| 03:36.35 | Azar | Max_-: next you need to look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:36.59 | Max_- | rebooting into the new system |
| 03:38.00 | Max_- | Azar : I'll have to uncomment some lines I guess? |
| 03:38.20 | Max_- | you know the funny part of this? I'm at 5 min walk of the mirror gulus.usherbrooke.ca :D |
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| 03:39.09 | lvmnew | hello folks what could be the possible reasons be for a traceroute between 2 local systems on a lan give host (192.168.5.10) 0.273 ms !X 0.248 ms !X 0.231 ms !X |
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| 03:41.23 | Azar | Max_-: look at the example: http://paste.debian.net/38322 |
| 03:41.43 | Azar | edit your sources.list to look like that, then save it with :wq! |
| 03:42.11 | Max_- | I'll use nano or pico :) |
| 03:42.19 | Azar | well, ok |
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| 03:42.21 | Max_- | :P |
| 03:42.37 | Max_- | hated to use vi in my linux courses when I was used to pico under slack |
| 03:43.04 | Azar | the best editor is the one you are used to |
| 03:43.08 | Max_- | http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates |
| 03:43.15 | Max_- | is the space there wanted? |
| 03:43.19 | Azar | yes |
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| 03:44.07 | Max_- | ok.. so you switched everything to non free contrib and to ftp... |
| 03:44.51 | Azar | and I lately (since sarge) started using aptitude install..update...upgrade (instead of apt-get) |
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| 03:45.18 | Max_- | oh, any better than apt-get? |
| 03:45.20 | awilcox | grr. |
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| 03:45.44 | Azar | Max_-: well better dependency work |
| 03:45.58 | Max_- | oh, nice to know |
| 03:46.08 | Azar | apt-get gets individuals while aptitude brings the whole family... depends on the taste |
| 03:46.48 | Azar | good for kernel, and dist-upgrades mostly |
| 03:46.53 | Max_- | I was using Synaptic Packages Manager... which does pretty much aptitude's job |
| 03:47.00 | Max_- | okay! |
| 03:47.10 | Azar | Max_-: maybe, don't know Synaptic |
| 03:47.27 | Max_- | it's a gui app |
| 03:47.30 | Tramp | lvmnew: no idea. What does a tcpdump show? |
| 03:48.05 | Max_- | worked very well.. showing all it had to install for dependencies when I asked for a package |
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| 03:49.05 | awilcox | What's wrong with Synaptic? I worked with it for a long time |
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| 03:49.13 | Azar | I never usedit |
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| 03:49.20 | Azar | used it** |
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| 03:52.20 | simonrvn | zewb was also spamming me with dcc send crap |
| 03:52.31 | psychonate | I've an entry for an irc protocol handler in firefox (to open irc urls in xchat), but firefox seems to want to open all irc links with 'purple-url-handler.' I can't find an entry for that in about:config, so I'm not sure how to disable it for irc links. How can I make firefox use my xchat entry instead? |
| 03:53.20 | Max_- | ok, thanks for the example, azar, I'll look at this tomorrow, since I have to wake early I'll go to bed now.. thanks for all your answers! later! |
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| 03:53.59 | Azar | man this is as funny as it is real: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/25/inmates_suit_claims_o_j_simpson_is_hitman_for_steve_jobs.html&page=2 |
| 03:54.11 | Azar | good night Max_- |
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| 03:57.29 | lvmnew | hello folks what could be the possible reasons be for a traceroute between 2 local systems on a lan give host (192.168.5.10) 0.273 ms !X 0.248 ms !X 0.231 ms !X |
| 03:58.07 | Max_- | :) night! - omg.. for the link! |
| 03:58.09 | DocPlatypus | lvmnew: man traceroute and look up !X |
| 03:59.22 | cayres | any hints on how a redirect or manualroute router would look like in exim to route all email to foo-*@domain.com to anotherhost.com? |
| 03:59.28 | Azar | damn, the blockhosts in Etch article crashes my Firefox |
| 04:00.25 | Azar | stupid webmasters |
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| 04:10.06 | bpun | hi |
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| 04:12.37 | DocPlatypus | bpun: hi, we can see you |
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| 04:25.18 | xerophyte | if i have lvm partition how can i find out the disk usage on it without mounting it |
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| 04:27.26 | Wyzard | xerophyte: Run fsck on it maybe... I think that shows you the amount of space used in the summary it displays at the end |
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| 04:27.48 | xerophyte | i don't wanna do that |
| 04:27.59 | Wyzard | xerophyte: The fact that it's LVM is irrelevant... you have a block device containing a filesystem, and the idea of "space used" is part of the filesystem, and nothing to do with the block device |
| 04:28.02 | xerophyte | Wyzard, it is xen mount i wanna know witout doing it |
| 04:28.15 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 04:29.02 | Wyzard | xerophyte: I don't know of any other way to check the amount of free space on a filesystem other than mounting it or fsck'ing it |
| 04:29.14 | xerophyte | hmmm |
| 04:29.33 | Wyzard | xerophyte: If you're a programmer you could write a tool to pull that info from the filesystem's structures, but that'd be a non-trivial job |
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| 04:36.49 | ameyer | what's up with the dcc send asshats? |
| 04:37.04 | ameyer | that's twice in 24 hours |
| 04:37.35 | ameyer | I think |
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| 04:39.23 | simonrvn | ameyer: stupid morons... |
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| 04:42.43 | jeffwheeler | This should be obvious, but I'm not sure what the most "Debian" way to install 3rd-party software is. In the past, I've heard recommendations to use GNU Hurd, and I also read in a book to generate a deb file and install it via dpkg, although also in this room I've seen people complain about installing .deb files from hand, instead of using apt. Can somebody clarify for me? |
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| 04:43.45 | floyd_n_milan | hi |
| 04:44.14 | Penix | Hurd would only make things much worse... |
| 04:44.23 | floyd_n_milan | i have etch installed on a machine, i'd like to switch to testing, could someone point me to the appropriate documentation please? |
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| 04:44.45 | Penix | floyd_n_milan: /msg dpkg testing |
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| 04:44.52 | floyd_n_milan | Penix, thanks :) |
| 04:45.07 | jeffwheeler | Penix: so would you recommend creating and then installing packages through dpkg? How would this be treated by apt systems? |
| 04:45.23 | Penix | jeffwheeler: what's an 'apt system'? Debian? |
| 04:45.24 | DocPlatypus | there is already an i386-hurd Debian port |
| 04:45.25 | jeffwheeler | (By "apt systems", I mean all the apt applications) |
| 04:45.39 | DocPlatypus | or at least there was at one point |
| 04:45.40 | jeffwheeler | (e.g., apt-get, synaptic, aptitude, etc.) |
| 04:45.50 | Penix | jeffwheeler: they're all using and doing the same thing |
| 04:46.05 | Penix | doesn't matter if you use synaptic or apt |
| 04:46.12 | Penix | everything's a deb at the end of the day |
| 04:46.21 | jeffwheeler | Penix: so, they don't keep their own cache of installed debs and such? That was my understanding. |
| 04:46.30 | Penix | jeffwheeler: they all use the same one |
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| 04:47.11 | Penix | jeffwheeler: if you wanna install something that hasn't been packaged, either have a go at making your own, or install from source to /usr/local or something |
| 04:48.09 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, okay. So, if I install a deb myself, later Synaptic will see it under the status "Installed (local or obsolete)"? I'd be fine with installing a deb file myself if that was the case, and Googling how to create a package should be possible. |
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| 04:48.28 | Penix | jeffwheeler: yes |
| 04:48.30 | mandrigal | lets try this agian ... |
| 04:48.34 | jeffwheeler | Sweet, thanks. |
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| 04:49.27 | psychonate | How is purple-url-handler registered with iceweasel? It's not in about:config |
| 04:49.36 | psychonate | at least that I have been able to find |
| 04:49.38 | mandrigal | question: what do i do with a tarball that has a binary in it, how would i go about installing it? |
| 04:49.54 | Penix | mandrigal: move the binary to somewhere in your path |
| 04:50.51 | mandrigal | '/usr/local/bin/' |
| 04:50.56 | mandrigal | will that work? |
| 04:51.57 | aredhel | mandrigal, it should, but read the readme file that comes in the tar ball to make see if there is more to it then that. |
| 04:52.16 | mandrigal | kewl tnx |
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| 04:53.09 | aredhel | mandrigal, I use /home/aredhel/bin/ for most programs like that and make debs for every thing else. |
| 04:54.11 | linc | can anyone recommend a GOOD bit torrent app? |
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| 04:55.00 | mandrigal | may i ask what you mean by make debs? |
| 04:55.04 | DocPlatypus | linc: I use BitTornado myself, fork of the original BitTorrent client |
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| 04:55.39 | aredhel | mandrigal, make a Debian package. like the Debian devs do. |
| 04:55.42 | linc | DocPlatypus: is it good? i've been using azuerus or whatever the name is and i don't really care for it |
| 04:56.14 | mandrigal | is it recomended? |
| 04:56.16 | DocPlatypus | linc: I took a look at Azureus on Windows... has a few nice silly frills but not a real down-to-earth get-it-done client |
| 04:56.25 | aredhel | mandrigal, "sudo make install" is quick and easy at the time but upgrading is a pain. |
| 04:56.39 | linc | DocPlatypus: thanks for the recommendation i've give it a try |
| 04:57.03 | aredhel | mandrigal, making a debian package is some up front work but upgrading/ uninstalling is easy. |
| 04:57.58 | mandrigal | installing application is very difficult for me |
| 04:58.05 | mandrigal | *applications |
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| 04:58.36 | aredhel | mandrigal, if they are not in Debian allready that is true. |
| 04:59.31 | mandrigal | very much so |
| 05:00.51 | aredhel | mandrigal, would you mind telling us what you are trying to install? |
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| 05:03.57 | kanzure | "Error: Dynamic MMAP ran out of room." And I've already increased the numbers in the configuration file to well over a few gigabytes. Any other suggestions for fixing this? I would very much like to use apt-cache. |
| 05:04.23 | kanzure | "The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." Suggestions? |
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| 05:04.38 | streuner | !listkeys mmap |
| 05:04.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mmap' by key (10): 'apt mmap ;; #debian dynamic mmap ;; #debian mmap ;; dynamic-mmap ;; _default mmap ;; mmap ;; dynamic mmap ;; apt-mmap ;; 'apt mmap #DEL# ;; _default dynamic mmap. |
| 05:04.47 | qrck | kanzure: yep, try enabling swap |
| 05:04.49 | streuner | !dynamic mmap |
| 05:04.50 | dpkg | methinks dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 05:05.12 | xerophyte | which dns server is good bind, powerdns, or anything else ? any recommendation ? |
| 05:05.12 | qrck | kanzure: the second time i had this failure it was just insufficient swap... |
| 05:05.18 | kanzure | qrck: My swap is enabled. |
| 05:05.23 | kanzure | qrck: 1 GB RAM + swap |
| 05:05.33 | kanzure | do I need to make a new swap if I upgrade my RAM? |
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| 05:05.40 | streuner | no |
| 05:05.50 | kanzure | hmm |
| 05:05.54 | dalias | hey i have a related topic... |
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| 05:06.06 | dalias | is it possible to make a filter on the package lists apt gets |
| 05:06.17 | qrck | kanzure: and you enabled a CacheLimit of sufficient size too ? |
| 05:06.25 | kanzure | qrck: yes |
| 05:06.25 | dalias | so that all packages matching a certain regex get filtered out when the package list is downloaded? |
| 05:06.28 | kanzure | How do I enable swap? I'm pretty sure it's already enabled. |
| 05:06.40 | dalias | i find my system is very slow running apt-get and aptitude |
| 05:06.43 | streuner | !tell kanzure about dynamic mmap |
| 05:06.53 | qrck | kanzure: i don't know then those are the two failures i got myself... |
| 05:07.01 | mandrigal | i need to remeber to blink |
| 05:07.08 | dalias | and if i could cut out all the gnome and kde packages and other similar stuff i'm not interested in, they'd be a lot faster and lighter |
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| 05:07.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
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| 05:07.44 | kanzure | I think the files are 'locked' somehow |
| 05:07.48 | kanzure | maybe I crashed while downloading something |
| 05:07.53 | kanzure | so how would I re-enable these files and unlock them? |
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| 05:08.31 | qrck | look in /var/lib/dpkg and /tmp and /var/run for locks... |
| 05:08.40 | qrck | if you think so |
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| 05:08.52 | streuner | or just reboot *cough* |
| 05:09.09 | kanzure | streuner: have rebooted way too many times for that to be the solution ;) |
| 05:09.11 | kanzure | qrck: checking |
| 05:09.29 | qrck | or just swapout and swapin, maybe your swap is filled with other old files or so |
| 05:09.38 | kanzure | "swapout" not found |
| 05:09.44 | streuner | kanzure: man mkswap, man swapon |
| 05:09.56 | qrck | sorry swapon |
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| 05:10.34 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, anyone has experience installing Debian or any other distro on a Thecus N5200? |
| 05:12.45 | kanzure | Ah, okay, it works now |
| 05:12.46 | kanzure | Thanks guys |
| 05:13.03 | qrck | kanzure: was ?? |
| 05:13.18 | qrck | kanzure: filled up swap ? |
| 05:13.21 | kanzure | qrck: removed ubuntu from sources.list |
| 05:13.26 | qrck | ah |
| 05:13.28 | qrck | lol |
| 05:13.51 | psychonate | So, I have utterly failed to make iceweasel open up irc links in xchat :( |
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| 05:14.10 | qrck | api incompatibility or what's the issue with ubuntu ??? |
| 05:14.14 | *** part/#debian kanzure (n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 05:14.25 | streuner | YouBucky: looks nice, for what you use that? |
| 05:14.50 | streuner | http://www.nwkomp.com/pls/start.pl?200798&geizhals |
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| 05:17.38 | streuner | ic: NAS System |
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| 05:19.31 | psychonate | is purple-url-handler support built into ice-weasel? |
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| 05:20.33 | streuner | YouBucky: it acts like a server, whats the *real* question? |
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| 05:23.40 | streuner | YouBucky: http://wiki.chaostreff.ch/index.php/Thecus_n5200_Debian - first hit with *google* ;-) |
| 05:25.13 | YouBucky | Sorry streuner, just had lunch |
| 05:26.02 | YouBucky | I'vr actually spoken with the guy who runs that site about the install but being in German some thinsg are lost in translation |
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| 05:27.10 | YouBucky | The issue is I've installed Debian, pluugged in the drive but I cant tell how far the Thecus us in its boot process, looking at my DHCP server the Thecus is not requesting a DHCP lease so it mus be hanging somewhere after POST |
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| 05:28.41 | zewb | DCC SEND I_SMELL_NIGGER 0 0 0\a |
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| 05:28.58 | qrck | who is this zewb faggot ? |
| 05:29.00 | zewb | ZEWB OWNS YOU BITCHES |
| 05:29.02 | simonrvn | zewb: you're a fucking moron |
| 05:29.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:29.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@jamssi.telemail.fi] by peterS |
| 05:29.05 | *** kick/#debian [zewb!n=peter@adsl-208-190-253-155.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (pwned) |
| 05:29.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:29.08 | qrck | hah |
| 05:29.10 | qrck | cool |
| 05:29.12 | qrck | thans |
| 05:29.12 | streuner | thanks peterS |
| 05:29.14 | qrck | +k |
| 05:29.16 | simonrvn | zebright. you don't know the meaning of the word |
| 05:29.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:29.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *zewb*!*@*] by peterS |
| 05:29.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:30.07 | peterS | come to think of it, there's no reason anyone of that nick needs to be here |
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| 05:30.49 | streuner | YouBucky: what do that box use in order to realizes DHCP? |
| 05:31.01 | streuner | s/do/does/ |
| 05:32.03 | ameyer | zew is an asshole |
| 05:32.10 | Toren | yep |
| 05:32.29 | ameyer | *zewb |
| 05:32.30 | simonrvn | the asshat needs an ego stroke. he called me 'nancy' and i said "wow, you guessed my name. that's amazing" |
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| 05:32.38 | YouBucky | The thecus is basically an X86 PC, There is a onboard 1GB NIC (as well an inbuilt 4 port switch). I installed debian on a 2GB IDE flash drive using my laptop. removed the 1GB IDE flash drive from the laptop and plugged it into the Thecus |
| 05:32.41 | simonrvn | he then goes :D |
| 05:32.47 | simonrvn | then i go, "NOT" |
| 05:32.48 | YouBucky | It proceeds past POST then nothing............. |
| 05:33.22 | mhall | Hey all I have been having some problems with ZoneEdit lately... one of my two MXes is broken and their support blows. Has anybody got a tip on what alterantives I could try for DNS and/or hosting? I need to buy something legit and reliable, preferably with a shell if possible. This blows. |
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| 05:34.41 | ameyer | !ops zewb is back as zorb |
| 05:34.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ameyer complains about: zewb is back as zorb |
| 05:34.41 | simonrvn | peterS: zorb is next |
| 05:34.42 | zorb | DCC SEND ZEWB-IS-AWESOME! 0 0 0\a |
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| 05:34.51 | ameyer | zorb: fuck you |
| 05:34.59 | ameyer | niurwgnrwijgnrai: fuck you |
| 05:35.01 | streuner | ameyer: Dont feed! |
| 05:35.04 | Toren | omg |
| 05:35.18 | ameyer | finally |
| 05:35.23 | ameyer | he'll be back though |
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| 05:35.50 | peterS | oh dear, not Fieldy too |
| 05:36.06 | simonrvn | no sh'es been behaving |
| 05:36.09 | Fieldy | just observing |
| 05:36.11 | dalias | will this spammer ever be glined? |
| 05:36.12 | simonrvn | AFAIK |
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| 05:36.19 | ameyer | zewb/zorb/niurwgnrwijgnrai must hate Debian |
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| 05:36.20 | simonrsv | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.20 | simonrsv | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.20 | simonrsv | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.20 | simonrsv | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.20 | *** kick/#debian [simonrsv!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 05:36.27 | *** join/#debian simonrsv (n=frank@dol39-1-82-240-106-129.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:36.28 | ameyer | dalias: not that easy |
| 05:36.29 | simonrvn | hehhe |
| 05:36.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:36.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@dol39-1-82-240-106-129.fbx.proxad.net] by peterS |
| 05:36.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:36.36 | Toren | lol |
| 05:36.38 | GhostlyDeath__ | heh |
| 05:36.39 | simonrvn | i'm flattered |
| 05:36.47 | ameyer | nice ascii art |
| 05:36.48 | GarryFre | LoL |
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| 05:37.03 | peterS | ameyer: yeah that's really hard to accomplish. apt-get install figlet. does require non-free though |
| 05:37.13 | *** part/#debian simonrsv (n=frank@dol39-1-82-240-106-129.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:37.15 | hoxu | simonrvn, did anyone ever tell you there is a typo in your nick? :P |
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| 05:37.23 | simonrvn | looks like it, eh |
| 05:37.26 | GarryFre | If Van Gough were an ascii artist in this day he'd have no chance here. |
| 05:37.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:37.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:37.30 | *** part/#debian isangisang (n=frank@dol39-1-82-240-106-129.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:37.38 | YouBucky | streuner: BBL, installing debian again, pherhaps the GB NIC drivers went compiled in the kernel |
| 05:37.50 | simonrvn | hoxu: heh heh |
| 05:37.53 | *** join/#debian Z3WB (n=frank@dol39-1-82-240-106-129.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:38.02 | DocPlatypus | oh you have to be kidding |
| 05:38.06 | DocPlatypus | night of the living dead lamers |
| 05:38.12 | simonrvn | Z3WB: not very bright are you |
| 05:38.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:38.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:38.17 | peterS | hmmmm |
| 05:38.19 | *** part/#debian Z3WB (n=frank@dol39-1-82-240-106-129.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:38.19 | Fieldy | nalioth: ^^ Z3WB |
| 05:38.20 | dalias | its friday night and they have no gf |
| 05:38.21 | Fieldy | n/m |
| 05:38.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:38.34 | peterS | I'll just stay @ for a bit here |
| 05:38.39 | simonrvn | good idea |
| 05:38.40 | dalias | :) |
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| 05:38.44 | Fieldy | yeah he's been doing this every night. he seems to have endless hosts |
| 05:38.45 | Z3WB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.46 | Z3WB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.46 | Z3WB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.47 | Z3WB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.47 | *** kick/#debian [Z3WB!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 05:38.48 | Fieldy | nalioth: ping |
| 05:38.53 | *** join/#debian Z3WB (n=frank@c537527ee.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 05:38.55 | simonrvn | reminds me of the good/bad old days |
| 05:38.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b %z3wb!*@*] by peterS |
| 05:39.09 | Fieldy | endless hosts, changes ident, changes gecos/realname... not much you can do except watch |
| 05:39.10 | dalias | freenode needs an open proxy scanner.. |
| 05:39.11 | simonrvn | !nalioth++ |
| 05:39.17 | simonrvn | dalias: it does... |
| 05:39.18 | DocPlatypus | I thought it had one? |
| 05:39.22 | streuner | dalias: sure, it does |
| 05:39.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!n=frank*@*] by peterS |
| 05:39.23 | *** join/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-39-68.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:39.28 | dalias | then how does he keep getting on? |
| 05:39.35 | dalias | surely no 12yo kid has this many real hosts |
| 05:39.37 | simonrvn | dalias: different zombies |
| 05:39.41 | *** join/#debian Z3WB (n=frank@redes.sti.uchile.cl) |
| 05:39.43 | ameyer | perhaps they're pwnt, but not open |
| 05:39.45 | peterS | dalias: the proxad.net IP is just +q, not +b. that means he can get on just can't talk |
| 05:39.49 | popt | peterS, you stay @ # in [away] status, always? |
| 05:39.51 | simonrvn | probably some spammer's kid... |
| 05:39.53 | dalias | :) |
| 05:39.53 | Fieldy | it's pretty easy to utilize botnet hosts to get on irc, and you can have thousands of them |
| 05:40.07 | peterS | popt: I'm not [away] |
| 05:40.16 | *** part/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-39-68.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:40.17 | ameyer | how the fuck did "00:39 -!- Z3WB [n=frank@redes.sti.uchile.cl] has joined #debian" happen |
| 05:40.19 | popt | you are |
| 05:40.23 | dalias | someone should root him and rm -rf |
| 05:40.25 | *** join/#debian Z3W8 (n=loldongs@27.8-224-89.dsl.completel.net) |
| 05:40.27 | Z3W8 | ok people |
| 05:40.31 | Z3W8 | im not going to spam or anything |
| 05:40.32 | *** join/#debian Ariel_Calzada (n=aricalso@200.29.106.116) |
| 05:40.32 | popt | in my irc client, your nick is in grey color |
| 05:40.33 | Z3W8 | lets talk about this |
| 05:40.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b %Z3W8!*@*] by peterS |
| 05:40.38 | peterS | let's not |
| 05:40.39 | simonrvn | Z3W8: right |
| 05:40.53 | *** join/#debian Z3W8 (n=loldongs@esp16-1-88-167-212-40.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:40.55 | dalias | what an idiot |
| 05:41.01 | Supaplex | prepubescent teens these days |
| 05:41.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b %z?w?!*@*] by peterS |
| 05:41.04 | hoxu | just don't pay attention to him :p |
| 05:41.05 | ameyer | loldong botnet... |
| 05:41.11 | *** join/#debian Z3W8 (n=loldongs@62.24.71.95) |
| 05:41.12 | ameyer | I've seen it before |
| 05:41.26 | simonrvn | ameyer: do tell. (i have too, somewhere, here i think?) |
| 05:41.26 | dalias | peters, your mask didnt work.. |
| 05:41.35 | peterS | dalias: I didn't intend to prevent him from joining |
| 05:41.40 | peterS | only from speaking |
| 05:41.41 | dalias | oh |
| 05:41.52 | peterS | by preventing speaking but not preventing joining, I hope to buy some time before he figures it out |
| 05:41.53 | dalias | :) |
| 05:41.54 | simonrvn | that's the %, it's for +q |
| 05:41.58 | ameyer | #dreamhost got flooded by loldong(4 numbers) a while back |
| 05:42.16 | Fieldy | if you set the nick zewb in your notify list, you'll have a heads up before he shows up |
| 05:42.18 | streuner | ameyer: what they did about? |
| 05:42.20 | simonrvn | i've seen it elsewhere... |
| 05:42.20 | Fieldy | here he comes, different nick |
| 05:42.22 | dalias | does the +q say "cannot send to channel?" |
| 05:42.26 | dalias | or is it silent? |
| 05:42.30 | streuner | yes |
| 05:42.31 | *** join/#debian vaporware (n=loldongs@195.248.93.105) |
| 05:42.37 | streuner | just silent |
| 05:42.40 | Fieldy | peterS: ^^ vaporware |
| 05:42.41 | dalias | :) |
| 05:42.42 | vaporware | im having some problems with my sound in debian |
| 05:42.49 | peterS | dalias: it might say that, but he's not exactly the brightest star in the sky, now, is he |
| 05:42.50 | dalias | lol |
| 05:42.52 | Fieldy | damn right he's having problems :P |
| 05:42.56 | simonrvn | heheheh |
| 05:42.58 | dalias | indeed |
| 05:43.00 | ameyer | they banned LOLDONG*!*@* and buttsecks*!*@* and *!n=buttseck@* |
| 05:43.09 | streuner | hm |
| 05:43.13 | Fieldy | doesn't matter he changes nicks, ident, realname, and hosts |
| 05:43.14 | ameyer | however, not so simple here |
| 05:43.18 | *** join/#debian culexor (n=loldongs@ip-83-141-161-100.evc.net) |
| 05:43.24 | Fieldy | and again. |
| 05:43.28 | Fieldy | anyway you get the point. |
| 05:43.30 | ameyer | I just noticed loldongs |
| 05:43.32 | *** kick/#debian [culexor!n=peter@adsl-208-190-253-155.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 05:43.34 | *** join/#debian josey_bosey (i=josey_bo@210.124.188.190) |
| 05:43.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!n=*dongs*@*] by peterS |
| 05:43.40 | josey_bosey | Hi does the x.org nv driver in Lenny support the geforce 8800 ? |
| 05:43.41 | ameyer | might not be the same thing |
| 05:43.42 | *** join/#debian Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@c11-37.icpnet.pl) |
| 05:43.49 | popt | vaporware: try alsamixer |
| 05:43.54 | *** join/#debian ice63 (n=gary@c-68-43-229-173.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:43.59 | simonrvn | com'on, look at the user name... |
| 05:44.05 | simonrvn | popt: uh, it's gone |
| 05:44.05 | peterS | popt: vaporware wasn't serious, he is the same person as zewb |
| 05:44.08 | Fieldy | here hec omes |
| 05:44.10 | streuner | josey_bosey: do you need 3D? |
| 05:44.15 | josey_bosey | streuner: no |
| 05:44.15 | *** join/#debian agerbon (n=agerbon@rautemusik.nukem.biz) |
| 05:44.24 | DocPlatypus | Fieldy: how do you know when he's coming back on? |
| 05:44.26 | popt | oh |
| 05:44.32 | simonrvn | notify list |
| 05:44.33 | agerbon | hello |
| 05:44.38 | Fieldy | DocPlatypus: i have zewb on my notify list, he shows up, then it says he's offline (changes nicks) |
| 05:44.42 | popt | vaporware == zewb |
| 05:44.49 | simonrvn | popt: yes |
| 05:44.50 | peterS | popt: yes |
| 05:45.07 | agerbon | huh? |
| 05:45.09 | streuner | josey_bosey: use google to find out |
| 05:45.15 | Fieldy | anyway what you guys might want to consider, is banforwarding dcc s*nd vuln users to another channel temporarily. this way, when he does it again, there's no effect and it's a waste of time. good luck :) |
| 05:45.15 | josey_bosey | I'm trying to |
| 05:45.33 | nalioth | Fieldy: what a novel idea... :D |
| 05:45.34 | agerbon | what is going on |
| 05:45.35 | streuner | josey_bosey: debian and <your videocard> should give you some results |
| 05:45.44 | *** join/#debian philth (n=philth@d38-181-68.home1.cgocable.net) |
| 05:45.49 | simonrvn | for sure, nice idea |
| 05:45.50 | GarryFre | He seems to be a legend in his own mind. |
| 05:45.50 | streuner | josey_bosey: groups.google.com are more detailed |
| 05:45.54 | peterS | Fieldy: good thought, but I think that would be more disruptive anyway. he seems to have gotten bored with the DCC crap, now he's just being an old-fashioned nuisance |
| 05:45.59 | simonrvn | GarryFre: yup |
| 05:46.02 | ameyer | agerbon: as long as you're not zewb, we're fine |
| 05:46.09 | Fieldy | yeah. makes you wonder where this kids parents are... |
| 05:46.10 | popt | peterS: you said you are not set your account away, but your nick always in grey color? |
| 05:46.12 | *** join/#debian gardar (n=gardar@dsl-212-199.hive.is) |
| 05:46.17 | peterS | I mean what a z00b |
| 05:46.18 | popt | setting |
| 05:46.24 | agerbon | who is "zewb"? |
| 05:46.34 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:46.37 | dalias | agerbon, a spammer who keeps joining with new compromised hosts |
| 05:46.44 | peterS | popt: my nick is not in grey, my nick is in white. you need to set your client to realise this. by putting my nick in grey, your client is disrespecting me. |
| 05:46.49 | mhall | dalias: what sort of spam? |
| 05:46.53 | agerbon | oh |
| 05:46.56 | simonrvn | peterS: hehehe |
| 05:47.03 | GarryFre | The world malfunctions in mysterious ways - So does Z3wb |
| 05:47.04 | agerbon | well i can't get me wifi to work in debian |
| 05:47.05 | ameyer | dcc s*nd vulnerability |
| 05:47.11 | popt | by putting my nick in grey, your client is disrespecting me. hehe |
| 05:47.20 | agerbon | its wierd i have like an internal wifi, so i dont know what driver to use |
| 05:47.24 | agerbon | and it doesnt detect it at all |
| 05:47.42 | peterS | /nick Gandalf # i.e., "the grey" |
| 05:47.44 | dalias | oh it's a vuln? |
| 05:47.49 | dalias | i just thought it was annoying |
| 05:47.54 | ameyer | and lame figlet art |
| 05:48.01 | dalias | and he had a misconfigured firewall rewriting his dcc's to port 0 :P |
| 05:48.03 | simonrvn | dalias: yes. certain linksys routers were/are affected ... |
| 05:48.15 | ameyer | among others |
| 05:48.19 | peterS | dalias: yeah, look in the logs and you'll see a dozen people quit with "connection reset by peer" right after the dcc. they're running buggy routers, you see |
| 05:48.22 | simonrvn | dalias: no, that's an attempt at bypassing security |
| 05:48.24 | ameyer | dalias: might be intentional |
| 05:48.35 | dalias | ah |
| 05:48.46 | simonrvn | irssi detects these ;) |
| 05:48.47 | Fieldy | oh it's fully intentional. it's a bug in some router firmware in the stateful packet inspection engine |
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| 05:48.57 | simonrvn | here we go |
| 05:48.58 | zoob | <GarryFre> He seems to be a legend in his own mind. |
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| 05:49.11 | Fieldy | as youc an tell, he's got another client here watching all this. so watch what you say. |
| 05:49.18 | agerbon | was that him? |
| 05:49.25 | peterS | wait, why do we allow anonymous ircatwork.com proxying anyway? |
| 05:49.29 | Fieldy | he pasted what GarryFre said, befor ehe joined |
| 05:49.31 | peterS | agerbon: of course that was him |
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| 05:49.40 | qrck | him ? |
| 05:49.41 | GarryFre | Hah |
| 05:49.49 | streuner | peterS: i use that sometimes in internet-cafes... |
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| 05:49.57 | qrck | i got one dcc reply to port 0 |
| 05:49.57 | hoxu | does the ident contain IP for ircatwork? |
| 05:49.58 | peterS | streuner: do you often have Debian questions in internet-cafes? |
| 05:50.01 | simonrvn | probably philth |
| 05:50.07 | esaym | Whats a good way to check the cpu temp on a remote server through command line? |
| 05:50.08 | ameyer | oh great, he has a motherfricking spy |
| 05:50.09 | qrck | and a offending message like i smell nigger or so |
| 05:50.17 | dalias | hmmm |
| 05:50.18 | qrck | lol |
| 05:50.19 | qrck | oh man |
| 05:50.24 | simonrvn | maybe not, he's in #defocus |
| 05:50.24 | streuner | peterS: nah, only to join us ;-) |
| 05:50.28 | dalias | is it possible to decode an ip out of that ircatwork hostmask? |
| 05:50.29 | peterS | ameyer: oh come on, like that wasn't predictable. he's 14 years old, that's old enough to at least know _that_ much |
| 05:50.33 | josey_bosey | No luck with google. Anyone running Lenny currently? How do I find out if the 'nv' driver supports GeForce 8xxx series? |
| 05:50.33 | philth | simonrvn, huh? |
| 05:50.34 | agerbon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.34 | agerbon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.34 | agerbon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.34 | agerbon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.34 | agerbon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:50.36 | dalias | if so, we could report him to his isp... |
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| 05:50.40 | simonrvn | but i've seen morons join #freenode before |
| 05:50.40 | Fieldy | and there was your spy. |
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| 05:50.44 | simonrvn | i knew it |
| 05:50.48 | qrck | heh |
| 05:50.49 | agerbon | lolololol |
| 05:50.50 | qrck | again |
| 05:50.51 | agerbon | lololol |
| 05:50.51 | peterS | Fieldy: not the only one, that would be even dumber |
| 05:50.51 | GarryFre | Hes' using some program to generate that art I bet. |
| 05:50.52 | agerbon | lolol |
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| 05:51.00 | agerbon | YOU GUYS SUCK BALLS AT IRC |
| 05:51.01 | *** kick/#debian [agerbon!n=peter@adsl-208-190-253-155.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 05:51.05 | dalias | K-line |
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| 05:51.09 | peterS | I can't k-line |
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| 05:51.09 | ameyer | he figleted no n_ggers earlier... |
| 05:51.12 | simonrvn | GenghisZ: yes |
| 05:51.12 | dalias | oh |
| 05:51.18 | dalias | i thought you were admin |
| 05:51.19 | simonrvn | GarryFre: yes |
| 05:51.20 | GarryFre | Folks like him make folks like me feel better. |
| 05:51.23 | peterS | dalias: I don't have that power, that requires IRC op status, not just channel op status |
| 05:51.29 | simonrvn | GenghisZ: sorry |
| 05:51.30 | Supaplex | josey_bosey: nv supports my 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 430 [10de:03d0] (rev a2) |
| 05:51.32 | peterS | dalias: the k-lines you see are someone else |
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| 05:51.38 | dalias | why doesn't freenode just add a filter that detects dcc explout and auto-glines? |
| 05:51.42 | dalias | i see |
| 05:51.46 | dalias | i thought it was your doing |
| 05:51.53 | hoxu | GarryFre, for not having a brain tumor? :P |
| 05:51.54 | peterS | dalias: also, g-line and k-line are basically the same thing in freenode (i.e., every k-line is really a g-line) |
| 05:51.56 | josey_bosey | Supaplex> Yes that is an 6xxx series. I have an 8xxx series |
| 05:52.02 | simonrvn | philth: sorry |
| 05:52.08 | ameyer | agerbnon is dcc s*nding |
| 05:52.17 | Supaplex | josey_bosey: oh my bad. 6+8 are kinda close :P |
| 05:52.24 | simonrvn | just put him on ignore ameyer |
| 05:52.34 | ameyer | dalias: I thought they had |
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| 05:52.56 | ameyer | but apparently it doesn't work that way (anymore?) |
| 05:53.19 | ameyer | dcc != ctcp |
| 05:53.20 | dalias | /ignore won't protect ppl with broken routers, will it? |
| 05:53.23 | ameyer | I don't think |
| 05:53.24 | dalias | dcc is a ctcp |
| 05:53.25 | peterS | no, it won't |
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| 05:54.00 | peterS | the way to protect yourself from a broken router is to connect to freenode on port 8001 instead of port 6667. then the router doesn't realise it is IRC so it doesn't try to filter it (brokenly) for your protection |
| 05:54.07 | peterS | I think it's 8001 anyway |
| 05:54.22 | ameyer | what do you bet z3\/\/b has multiple spies in here |
| 05:54.29 | peterS | ameyer: duh, of course he does |
| 05:54.29 | ameyer | oh well |
| 05:54.30 | dalias | :) |
| 05:54.45 | ameyer | something about gce seems wrong to me |
| 05:54.50 | peterS | I mean I don't think he has 15 brain cells, but he probably has 10, and that's how many it takes to realise you need multiple spies |
| 05:54.50 | ameyer | but I'm paranoid |
| 05:54.57 | GarryFre | :) |
| 05:54.59 | dalias | :) |
| 05:55.09 | hoxu | the ip he used from ircatwork.com was 98.199.147.34 / comcast |
| 05:55.15 | ameyer | we could ban *!*@*, that'd stop him |
| 05:55.27 | dalias | hoxu, send abuse report to comcast :) |
| 05:55.29 | simonrvn | 34.147.199.98.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR c-98-199-147-34.hsd1.tx.comcast.net. |
| 05:55.32 | peterS | our problem is that we need to be useful for debian users who want support |
| 05:55.34 | dalias | usually they won't do anything |
| 05:55.36 | simonrvn | dig -x 98.199.147.34 |
| 05:55.41 | peterS | therefore the bans that would actually work are not acceptable to us |
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| 05:55.42 | ameyer | It's Comcastic... |
| 05:55.44 | dalias | but if he has past abuse records they might kill his cablemodem :) |
| 05:56.21 | \amethyst | if that is an exploit I would imagine he's coming from a zombie |
| 05:56.30 | ameyer | hoxu: how did you find his IP |
| 05:56.35 | peterS | fortunately, we will remain a useful channel far, far beyond the limit of zewb's attention span |
| 05:56.39 | peterS | so this is a temporary situation |
| 05:56.40 | ameyer | nmap may be more useful |
| 05:56.51 | dalias | haha |
| 05:56.58 | Toren | ameyer: i was just thinking that |
| 05:56.58 | dalias | nmap->root->rm-rf his box :) |
| 05:56.59 | ameyer | I wasn't serious about my ban suggestion |
| 05:57.05 | mhall | peterS: yeah man... i've been a proud user since 1997... i might be one of the oldest old-timers in this place |
| 05:57.10 | Toren | lol |
| 05:57.15 | ameyer | no, just nmap to detect... umm... inconsistencies |
| 05:57.20 | dalias | i first used debian in 1998 |
| 05:57.26 | dalias | but i havent been a continuous user |
| 05:57.40 | simonrvn | nmap 98.199.147.34 -p XXXXX -P0 |
| 05:57.46 | ameyer | like a windows box running something it usually wouldn't |
| 05:58.11 | dalias | i installed it on my mother's computer and a server at work around 2003 |
| 05:58.15 | ameyer | I know, not 100%, nonstandard ports... |
| 05:58.17 | peterS | how can you tell what a windows box usually wouldn't run? most windows boxes are so chock full of spyware and such that they could have any service open, really |
| 05:58.17 | dalias | but i didn't try debian again on my own computer til this year |
| 05:58.31 | hoxu | I'm not sending an abuse report but someone (peterS!;) probably should just in case he happens to be a moron and actually used it without proxy :P |
| 05:58.38 | ameyer | most ISPs coonsider portscans to be against their ToS... |
| 05:58.42 | dalias | peters, :) |
| 05:58.54 | ameyer | heh, peters |
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| 05:59.01 | mhall | dalias: what about channel usage? |
| 05:59.07 | dalias | ? |
| 05:59.28 | peterS | hoxu: nah, not worth the trouble, I very much doubt the ISP cares at that level anyway. it's not like we caught someone hax0ring into a corporate network or anything that actually _matters_. plus, 9 out of 10 of the computers he used are almost certainly botnet proxies |
| 05:59.53 | dalias | *sigh* why don't botnets get shut down? |
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| 06:00.05 | peterS | by whom? seriously. that's the answer to your question |
| 06:00.08 | simonrvn | because money matters more than security |
| 06:00.18 | dalias | by the isp hosting the compromised machines... |
| 06:00.23 | peterS | if the ISPs wanted to shut down botnets, they'd just have to firewall off port 6667 outgoing |
| 06:00.29 | philth | They could always release a windows update that nukes the OS. |
| 06:00.29 | dalias | lol |
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| 06:00.36 | peterS | how would you like _that_? you'd kick and scream, as would all of slashdot |
| 06:00.37 | philth | Should shutdown most bostnets. |
| 06:00.37 | ameyer | peterS: that'd kill IRC... |
| 06:00.40 | DocPlatypus | peterS: and if they did that it would piss off a lot of IRC users |
| 06:00.42 | dalias | peters, no |
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| 06:00.52 | dalias | i did not say preemptively abuse users |
| 06:00.58 | dalias | i said shut down the botnets that exist |
| 06:01.00 | mhall | dalias: i meant how long have you used #d |
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| 06:01.03 | ameyer | actually, McAfee blocks/blocked 6666-6669 in/out... |
| 06:01.09 | dalias | i.e. if you've got a compromised computer, bye-bye cablemodem |
| 06:01.34 | dalias | mhall, i've used #debian on and off over that whole 9 year period |
| 06:01.35 | peterS | dalias: and when that is 90% or more of their customer base, do you really think they'd be happy to shrink their revenue that much in one shot? |
| 06:01.39 | ameyer | they make money off hosting the zombie |
| 06:01.41 | dalias | peters, hehe |
| 06:01.49 | mhall | dalias: cool |
| 06:02.01 | peterS | dalias: seriously - we're not talking about 1% of windows boxes. I don't know the actual figures but it's a lot higher than that |
| 06:02.11 | ameyer | and port25 blocking would significantly reduce the usefulness of botnets... |
| 06:02.20 | ameyer | 25% I've heard |
| 06:02.27 | DocPlatypus | they should require a $500 security deposit for anyone using a high-risk (i.e. Windows) OS |
| 06:02.34 | dalias | docplatypus, :) |
| 06:02.42 | DocPlatypus | you get compromised, it's forfeit and you pay again before getting on |
| 06:02.42 | philth | DocPlatypus, ;D |
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| 06:02.50 | hoxu | the largest botnets are capable of driving whole countries into problems, think about that |
| 06:02.52 | ameyer | although with the rise of the storm botnet, that may need to be higher |
| 06:03.07 | peterS | ameyer: see, my ISP blocks port 25 outgoing, and I'm fine with that. _because_, well, two reasons. one, I know it seriously hinders outgoing spam. two, they run a really good smarthost (I send mail to a list and get it back seconds later, round trip through a list server), so it doesn't inconvenience me to have to use it |
| 06:03.08 | ameyer | DocPlatypus: nobody will pay a $500 deposit for internets |
| 06:03.11 | Fieldy | yeah. i've personally discovered and broken into botnets with 120,000 nodes, it's scary |
| 06:03.18 | Fieldy | and that's a small one |
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| 06:03.29 | dalias | peters, the worst is ones that block 25 _incoming_ |
| 06:03.39 | Fieldy | there are rumors of storm worm generated botnets upwards of 2,500,000 hosts |
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| 06:03.50 | Toren | wow that is crazy stuff |
| 06:03.51 | dalias | more bots... |
| 06:03.53 | hoxu | DCC spam from Freeze` |
| 06:03.55 | simonrvn | Freeze` deadbabiesandcocaine |
| 06:03.56 | ameyer | 3) I have mail hosting elsewhere 4) I barely use email |
| 06:03.58 | peterS | dalias: yeah that's pretty pointless. well, it has a point, to force people to buy a business class internet service if they want to be like me and run a mail server. but it doesn't do anything else useful |
| 06:04.06 | walter009 | who are these spammers? |
| 06:04.10 | Penix | damn that file sounds tempting! |
| 06:04.11 | simonrvn | Freeze` n=Thor@user-12lcepv.cable.mindspring.com |
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| 06:04.23 | Fieldy | it is. it's scary. they can threaten almost anyone for ransom and if they don't agree, boom they send the entire botnet after them |
| 06:04.26 | dalias | lol mindspring still exists?! |
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| 06:04.27 | Fieldy | can shut down businesses |
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| 06:04.55 | Fieldy | russia and the philippines are major operating centers for them |
| 06:04.58 | dalias | fieldy, that's easy... setup to pay the ransom and send in the police |
| 06:04.59 | ameyer | dalias: they were bought by Earthlink I think... |
| 06:04.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@user-12lcepv.cable.mindspring.com] by peterS |
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| 06:05.05 | dalias | then you catch the bastards and put them in jail |
| 06:05.14 | Fieldy | dalias: how are you going to find them :) that's the trick. |
| 06:05.28 | dalias | most of the ones who charge ransoms seem to get busted |
| 06:05.32 | simonrvn | usually on hijacked IP blocks |
| 06:05.32 | Fieldy | if you can find the command and control user ( a single host out of thousands/millions) |
| 06:05.42 | dalias | it's hard to hide receipt of money |
| 06:05.44 | Fieldy | they are usuallyconnecting over tor, or through multiple cisco routers they odn't own |
| 06:05.48 | josey_bosey | When doing a fresh install, is it recommended to install Etch and then change the sources to Lenny and upgrade? Or should I download the Lenny ISO and install it from there? |
| 06:05.51 | Fieldy | easy in asia heh |
| 06:06.01 | ameyer | it took until after the name change to AT&T to retire the ameritech.net domain for dsl hostmasks |
| 06:06.03 | Fieldy | anyway this is pretty OT stuff thought i'd just throw it in... hopefully the dudes get bored. |
| 06:06.14 | ameyer | which was like 5 years and 2 name changes |
| 06:06.15 | peterS | josey_bosey: install etch first, if the etch kernel (2.6.18) supports your hardware well enough to install. (most hardware is fine) |
| 06:06.22 | hoxu | josey_bosey, I think you can go for the lenny iso straight if you know you are going to upgrade anyway |
| 06:06.36 | streuner | josey_bosey: why do you think you need testing anyway? |
| 06:07.06 | josey_bosey | streuner: To get the later 'nv' driver that supports my GeForce 8800GTX. The 'nv' version in Etch doesn't work. |
| 06:07.17 | streuner | hm |
| 06:07.23 | dalias | a more polite way of asking that would be "is there a particular reason you need testing?" |
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| 06:07.33 | hoxu | peterS, is there a reason to install stable first, apart from the testing installer maybe being broken? :p |
| 06:07.42 | peterS | hoxu: the testing install might be broken |
| 06:08.07 | hoxu | josey_bosey, ok, there you go, the safer route seems to be going for stable first |
| 06:08.16 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 06:08.17 | peterS | hoxu: seriously that's a fine reason. debian-installer gets a lot of development, I can't particularly recommend it as there's no way I've tested it recently enough to say it works |
| 06:08.22 | simonrvn | just install base |
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| 06:08.31 | simonrvn | pmpp [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger |
| 06:08.36 | simonrvn | pmpp n=godard@nat1163.oc.edu |
| 06:08.38 | dalias | pmpp |
| 06:08.42 | simonrvn | peterS: ^^^ |
| 06:08.49 | ameyer | motherlover... |
| 06:08.58 | peterS | hoxu: and upgrading from stable -> testing _is_ going to work as well as anything ever works. I mean it's what we expect people to do - Debian has always been about smooth upgrades from old stable to new whatever |
| 06:09.15 | hoxu | peterS, I can believe that, I've had the pleasure of testing some non-stable installers because people didn't bother writing "rc" or "testing" on the CD case :P |
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| 06:09.29 | dalias | :) |
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| 06:09.33 | josey_bosey | if I go from stable --> testing, will I get a different package set, compared to if I go straight to testing? |
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| 06:09.51 | popt | how come etch wont include latest version emacs ? |
| 06:09.57 | streuner | josey_bosey: nvidia-glx should support that too |
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| 06:10.05 | dalias | hey |
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| 06:10.14 | dalias | i've never understood (please don't laugh) |
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| 06:10.22 | dldudl | AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS |
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| 06:10.22 | dalias | what is the diff between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
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| 06:10.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@89.37.150.165] by peterS |
| 06:10.23 | kskeks | AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS |
| 06:10.27 | kskeks | AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS |
| 06:10.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@81.198.181.90] by peterS |
| 06:10.29 | hoxu | josey_bosey, should be the same, except you may have few dummy packages for upgrades |
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| 06:10.40 | simonrvn | popt: i built mine... i *think* backports.org has emacs 22 |
| 06:10.45 | popt | flood like this |
| 06:10.50 | simonrvn | moron... |
| 06:10.53 | hoxu | josey_bosey, so there's really nothing you get from going to lenny straight |
| 06:10.54 | popt | I know |
| 06:10.55 | FrancoGG | peterS, maybe, set +R for a while |
| 06:10.59 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 06:11.05 | walter009 | who keeps flooding? |
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| 06:11.05 | ameyer | sooner or later, he'll run out of IPs |
| 06:11.06 | ikiaia | AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS |
| 06:11.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cable-19-53.cgates.lt] by peterS |
| 06:11.09 | simonrvn | here comes another |
| 06:11.10 | popt | just make sure why it hasnt include to main |
| 06:11.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c-24-13-0-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net] by peterS |
| 06:11.12 | josey_bosey | hoxu: or nothing I lose? |
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| 06:11.17 | popt | at least testing for etch |
| 06:11.18 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c-76-19-109-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by peterS |
| 06:11.22 | walter009 | who keeps flooding? |
| 06:11.24 | simonrvn | npnfnf n=110@c-76-19-109-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net |
| 06:11.24 | streuner | josey_bosey: nvidia-glx isnt open-source, but a single package is better vs. upgrading the whole distro |
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| 06:11.47 | dalias | using testing or unstable is a good idea anyway :) |
| 06:11.47 | peterS | walter009: a 14-year-old named zewb |
| 06:11.48 | hoxu | josey_bosey, well, as peterS said, if the testing installer is broken you have to install stable first anyway |
| 06:11.51 | josey_bosey | streunder: I don't want any closed-source stuff on my computer. |
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| 06:11.57 | dalias | this is debian |
| 06:11.59 | simonrvn | njndnj n=110@89.37.150.165 |
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| 06:12.01 | tptjtp | THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD |
| 06:12.02 | tptjtp | THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD |
| 06:12.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@bub62-2-88-169-220-92.fbx.proxad.net] by peterS |
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| 06:12.04 | simonrvn | tptjtp n=116@bub62-2-88-169-220-92.fbx.proxad.net |
| 06:12.04 | dalias | we don't like nvidia binary crap |
| 06:12.06 | philth | peterS, How do you know who is doing this? |
| 06:12.06 | uqukuq | THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD |
| 06:12.10 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@host19-162-static.32-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] by peterS |
| 06:12.15 | streuner | josey_bosey: ok, look at backports.org, there might be a backport |
| 06:12.16 | popt | good people there, bad ones there too |
| 06:12.17 | craigevil | isnt there a newer nv package in backports than the one in stable that you could use |
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| 06:12.19 | pipepn | THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD |
| 06:12.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@pla13-1-82-232-80-128.fbx.proxad.net] by peterS |
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| 06:12.22 | simonrvn | another |
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| 06:12.50 | ameyer | this is sofa king lame |
| 06:12.54 | peterS | can't even spell crapflood, can he |
| 06:12.58 | simonrvn | hehe for sure |
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| 06:12.59 | dalias | so could someone answer my dumb question? |
| 06:13.00 | Toren | are these flooders people or bots? (dumb question) |
| 06:13.02 | popt | can IRC mod ban someone by IPs? |
| 06:13.03 | dalias | what is the diff between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 06:13.04 | popt | good people there, bad ones there too |
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| 06:13.07 | hoxu | dalias, what was it? :) |
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| 06:13.09 | vivivd | THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD |
| 06:13.09 | ameyer | nice carpflood] |
| 06:13.09 | vivivd | THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD - THIS CARPFLOOD BROUGHT TO YOU BY EBAUMSWORLD |
| 06:13.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@87.231.198.89] by peterS |
| 06:13.13 | simonrvn | peterS: i've seen that before, it'sa script |
| 06:13.14 | ameyer | !ops vivivd |
| 06:13.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ameyer complains about: vivivd |
| 06:13.19 | peterS | ameyer: way ahead of you |
| 06:13.24 | ameyer | indeed |
| 06:13.39 | peterS | I mean seriously, you think I'm _not_ watching for him? |
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| 06:13.42 | popt | sigh |
| 06:13.43 | Luk0r | zewb = simonrvn |
| 06:13.50 | simonrvn | carp flood... hm, so like we'd get a whole bunch of goldfish |
| 06:13.56 | simonrvn | Luk0r: sure dude |
| 06:13.56 | craigevil | upgrade is safer ,it doesnt tend to remove/install new packages, just upgrades safe packages |
| 06:14.12 | popt | My Question is missing in flood |
| 06:14.13 | popt | :( |
| 06:14.15 | hoxu | Luk0r, no, that's you |
| 06:14.25 | walter009 | Luk0r is right |
| 06:14.29 | mhall | peterS: next time you boot him, please use the message "so long and thanks for all the fish" |
| 06:14.31 | walter009 | simonrvn is zewb |
| 06:14.35 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@85.92.185.249] by peterS |
| 06:14.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@gou06-1-82-224-98-76.fbx.proxad.net] by peterS |
| 06:14.38 | mhall | peterS: it'd be one of my most pleasant #d memories |
| 06:14.40 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 06:14.45 | simonrvn | lame :) |
| 06:14.51 | popt | troll |
| 06:15.10 | *** part/#debian walter009 (n=11@gou06-1-82-224-98-76.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:15.14 | simonrvn | popt: wait a bit then re-ask |
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| 06:15.18 | mhall | simonrvn: you know... "carpflood"... |
| 06:15.20 | simonrvn | another |
| 06:15.25 | simonrvn | smswsm n=115@89.37.150.165 |
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| 06:15.35 | simonrvn | here they comes... damn, i widh i had ops |
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| 06:15.45 | vmvbvr | zewb = simonrvn |
| 06:15.48 | simonrvn | wish* |
| 06:15.48 | vmvbvr | zewb = simonrvn |
| 06:15.49 | peterS | simonrvn: you know what, you could just keep your mouth closed, your pronouncements aren't really helping |
| 06:15.50 | vmvbvr | zewb = simonrvn |
| 06:15.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@84.112.35.87] by peterS |
| 06:15.53 | mhall | peterS: and by the way i do appreciate your work on this... i definitely owe you a beer |
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| 06:15.57 | lylnlj | zewb = simonrvn |
| 06:15.58 | hoxu | simonrvn, looks like someone fell in love with you |
| 06:15.59 | lylnlj | zewb = simonrvn |
| 06:15.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@84-255-225-76.static.dsl.t-2.net] by peterS |
| 06:16.07 | simonrvn | peterS: ok |
| 06:16.12 | Fieldy | peterS: may I make a constructive suggestion? |
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| 06:16.27 | hoxu | popt, what was your question? |
| 06:16.31 | peterS | Fieldy: if it isn't something like simonrvn saying "oh look, here he is" 5 seconds after I've noticed him |
| 06:16.42 | mikeysan | I think if we just shut the whole channel down, he'll stop, and we can all get back on later |
| 06:16.56 | simonrvn | peterS: +R |
| 06:17.02 | peterS | mikeysan: no 'cause then the terrrrrists have already won |
| 06:17.03 | popt | I'm waiting to ask again till bad boys finish troll |
| 06:17.06 | Fieldy | peterS: sure. channel mode +r, stops unregistered nicknames from joining (i think they'd go to #debian-overflow in this case). already joined, unidentified users will be able to talk. |
| 06:17.10 | mikeysan | they are only doing it for our reaction |
| 06:17.12 | mikeysan | and to get attention |
| 06:17.30 | mikeysan | if we temporarily shut down the channel, they'll go find something else to do |
| 06:17.32 | qrck | kids ? |
| 06:17.32 | simonrvn | hoxu: shrug |
| 06:17.33 | *** join/#debian stsqse (n=115@81.202.169.78.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 06:17.33 | ameyer | Fieldy: which channel |
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| 06:17.36 | buu | PETERS. |
| 06:17.36 | peterS | Fieldy: people say +R and +r, which is which? I think those are freenode extensions and I don't remember what they do |
| 06:17.45 | qrck | what else... |
| 06:17.46 | peterS | GO AWAY BUU, WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU |
| 06:17.54 | buu | =[ |
| 06:17.57 | buu | peterS: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 06:18.06 | FrancoGG | peterS, +r keeps unreg nicks from joining. +R from talking |
| 06:18.16 | qrck | the local policeman chair who's afraid about my ass... |
| 06:18.17 | Fieldy | peterS: ah. channel mode +r stops unidentified users from joining, unidentified users already in the channel can talk. +R is like +r, except already joined, unidentified users, cannot talk. |
| 06:18.19 | peterS | buu: if I wanted a link I would have asked for one. as it happens I don't have time to read a link, I have to sort of sit here and watch the channel |
| 06:18.20 | qrck | lol |
| 06:18.24 | mikeysan | that zewb guy has a website about him "trolling" us: http://zewb.ath.cx |
| 06:18.34 | buu | peterS: But I love you. |
| 06:18.36 | peterS | mikeysan: why are you telling us this |
| 06:18.37 | qrck | tatueeee taaaatueeeee |
| 06:18.41 | mikeysan | its so stupid |
| 06:18.42 | qrck | lol |
| 06:18.43 | mikeysan | he's bragging about it |
| 06:18.45 | hoxu | popt, don't wait, just shoot :) |
| 06:18.51 | Fieldy | mikeysan: it's an abusive web site. |
| 06:18.54 | mikeysan | he thinks he is awesome for doing it |
| 06:18.57 | mikeysan | it is abusive |
| 06:19.13 | dalias | report the website to its host |
| 06:19.15 | Fieldy | i wouldn't look at that... |
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| 06:19.23 | buu | Yawn. Goatse. |
| 06:19.25 | Fieldy | anyway enough drama in here, remember to take a break at some point, peterS :) |
| 06:19.30 | simonrvn | not without a proxy |
| 06:19.37 | peterS | Fieldy: thanks for the explanation, I might do one of those then |
| 06:19.51 | mikeysan | peterS: do you live in your mom's basement? |
| 06:19.51 | qrck | have you had enough fun blocking and relaying ? |
| 06:19.52 | peterS | at least temporarily, we obviously can't leave it that way for very long, it would be against our goals |
| 06:19.53 | qrck | lol |
| 06:19.54 | mikeysan | :p |
| 06:19.56 | Fieldy | peterS: i think affected users trying to join would get forwarded to #debian-overflow but i'm not 100% sure on that. |
| 06:19.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c-69-141-53-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by peterS |
| 06:20.03 | peterS | not in the mood, mikeysan |
| 06:20.07 | Fieldy | yeah. same in #gentoo we use it temporarily... very temporarily. |
| 06:20.08 | *** join/#debian damejiar (i=damejiar@sv-cpe-dynamic-190-53-22-109.amnetsal.com) |
| 06:20.17 | ameyer | well, thank $deity I viewed that site in w3m |
| 06:20.18 | Fieldy | bbl |
| 06:20.30 | dalias | ameyer, :) |
| 06:20.34 | dalias | elinks here |
| 06:20.40 | buu | It's just goatse. |
| 06:20.53 | buu | You'd think they'd have something new by now =/ |
| 06:20.54 | dalias | thankfully i have never seen goatse |
| 06:20.59 | buu | dalias: Really? |
| 06:21.01 | dalias | because i'm a faithful elinks user :)) |
| 06:21.04 | DocPlatypus | did anyone ever put goatse.cx up somewhere else? |
| 06:21.04 | ameyer | background is Pain5.jpg, whatever that is, and goatse seems to be on it |
| 06:21.10 | dalias | i've only seen the ascii-art version :P |
| 06:21.18 | buu | DocPlatypus: No, of course not. |
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| 06:21.23 | buu | dalias: It's really not very shocking. |
| 06:21.25 | ameyer | DocPlatypus: .cz,.ca,.ch I think |
| 06:21.39 | dalias | yeah i've seen the ascii version |
| 06:21.46 | buu | As these things go. |
| 06:21.59 | ameyer | hmm |
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| 06:22.23 | ameyer | well, not really |
| 06:23.04 | *** part/#debian mikeysan (n=11@c-69-141-53-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 06:23.11 | dalias | no idea what it is but supposedly it's offensive |
| 06:23.18 | ameyer | seems to have quieted down for now |
| 06:23.18 | dalias | it's flash so i can't see it |
| 06:23.20 | simonrvn | BTW mikeysan was one of them |
| 06:23.27 | Fieldy | it's extremely offensive, please don't visit it. and please stop dropping htose links |
| 06:23.51 | simonrvn | look at the user name. all the latest bots have had numeric only user names |
| 06:23.54 | buu | It's interesting why people seem so offended by scatalogical images. |
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| 06:24.21 | qrck | next time you visit my home you better tell before.. |
| 06:24.31 | qrck | so i can do a lil bit of a cleansing... |
| 06:24.35 | qrck | lol |
| 06:24.58 | simonrvn | peterS: sorry, you had that covered already... was /lastlogging |
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| 06:25.16 | ameyer | I think Rprp may be one of them |
| 06:25.45 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by peterS |
| 06:25.58 | ameyer | but I'm absolutely not sure at this point |
| 06:25.59 | peterS | you can blame fieldy if the +r turns out to be a bad idea (: |
| 06:26.43 | ameyer | is there anything keeping me from joining #debian-overflow? I'm curious as to what will happen in there |
| 06:27.04 | simonrvn | ameyer: you'll get booted sooner or later |
| 06:29.17 | peterS | man what a boring channel now |
| 06:29.29 | streuner | finally, thanks peterS |
| 06:29.32 | peterS | either the +r worked, or it was zewb's bedtime and his mom unplugged his internet |
| 06:29.42 | dalias | :) |
| 06:30.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:30.09 | SpeedyG | peterS: that guy was here again? o_0 |
| 06:30.14 | popt | ha |
| 06:30.25 | peterS | SpeedyG: you kinda haven't been paying attention for the past 45 minutes, have you? |
| 06:30.30 | ameyer | peterS: perhaps you should have let zewb talk about this |
| 06:30.34 | dalias | he's probably a ubuntu user |
| 06:30.37 | SpeedyG | no, i've just re-attached my screen ;) |
| 06:30.43 | ameyer | second-guessing though |
| 06:30.44 | peterS | ameyer: I totally should, we should have a dialog so we can work out our issues |
| 06:30.59 | ameyer | perhaps, who the hell knows |
| 06:30.59 | SpeedyG | peterS: oh, my statusscreen tells me enough :D |
| 06:31.00 | dalias | hahhah |
| 06:31.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:31.15 | peterS | /* for now */ |
| 06:31.24 | simonrvn | peterS: thanks |
| 06:31.42 | SpeedyG | stupid kiddo and his dcc-abuse ;) |
| 06:31.52 | ameyer | among other things |
| 06:31.59 | ameyer | like carpflooding |
| 06:32.02 | mhall | Fieldy: peterS : nice, very nice |
| 06:32.10 | mhall | ameyer: so long and thanks for all the fish |
| 06:32.13 | ameyer | and offensive figleting |
| 06:32.18 | SpeedyG | ameyer: cant get that from my statusscreen ;) |
| 06:32.44 | simonrvn | popt: probably safe now to ask your question now |
| 06:32.45 | ameyer | and ban evasion |
| 06:32.51 | *** join/#debian brawny (n=11@59.13.158.65) |
| 06:32.57 | simonrvn | nope |
| 06:32.59 | ameyer | oh noes |
| 06:33.05 | dalias | i can do figletting |
| 06:33.11 | dalias | but i won't do it here :) |
| 06:33.14 | simonrvn | looks like a south asia IP |
| 06:33.17 | ameyer | where have I seen n=11@ |
| 06:33.19 | popt | GIYF, I found my A :) |
| 06:33.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:33.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@59.13.158.65] by peterS |
| 06:33.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:33.40 | simonrvn | kornet.net |
| 06:34.01 | simonrvn | been getting a lot of kornet crap lately, here |
| 06:34.10 | mhall | dalias: i thought most people did that annoying shit with /exec -o |
| 06:34.21 | SpeedyG | dalias: any idiot can do figletting, and all the other bullshit he does |
| 06:34.23 | simonrvn | mhall: yeh |
| 06:34.36 | dalias | yeah that's the thing tho |
| 06:34.36 | SpeedyG | dalias: but any person with +1 active braincell wont do that here ;) |
| 06:34.46 | dalias | most of it you have to be an idiot to do (or know how to do) |
| 06:34.46 | peterS | dalias: you can't do much figletting here, debhelper tends to kick you after a few lines of it in a row. and if debhelper doesn't, I do |
| 06:34.51 | simonrvn | BTW, /mode yournick +C to block the crappy ctcp stuff |
| 06:34.54 | dalias | peters, :) |
| 06:35.12 | hoxu | the #1 solution to skript kiddy problem is taking warning labels off everything |
| 06:35.14 | dalias | i have some fun 2- to 4-line ascii art that could make it thru :) |
| 06:35.22 | dalias | hoxu, :)))))) |
| 06:35.25 | simonrvn | hoxu: darwin award? |
| 06:35.34 | ameyer | does +C block all ctcp? |
| 06:35.40 | hoxu | :) |
| 06:35.43 | simonrvn | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 06:36.06 | dalias | if +C blocks ctcp, then set +C on the channel.. |
| 06:36.22 | ameyer | of course, including dcc s*nd vulnerability-triggering text in the middle of a sentence would work |
| 06:36.28 | peterS | hoxu: yeah like if we took the FBI warning label off the front of every DVD movie playback, maybe they'd all go to jail? |
| 06:36.37 | dalias | ameyer, really? |
| 06:36.37 | simonrvn | that's a user mode not chan mode |
| 06:36.48 | dalias | peters, :) |
| 06:37.29 | ameyer | are usermodes sticky? |
| 06:37.42 | simonrvn | gotta set it in your connection conf |
| 06:37.51 | simonrvn | but they stay until you log off |
| 06:38.15 | simonrvn | (if not set via conf) |
| 06:38.22 | peterS | ameyer: the server doesn't remember what you had last time, if that's the question. client has to set them each time. |
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| 06:40.50 | Growly | !alsa |
| 06:40.50 | dpkg | alsa is probably http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 06:41.16 | simonrvn | Growly: /msg dpkg tell me about msg the bot |
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| 06:42.01 | Growly | !alsa install |
| 06:42.02 | dpkg | i heard alsa install is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 06:42.09 | simonrvn | Growly: dude |
| 06:42.11 | Growly | sorry simonrvn |
| 06:42.20 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:42.22 | Growly | no one else was talking |
| 06:42.26 | Growly | so i figured no one would mind |
| 06:42.42 | Growly | i guess i was wrong |
| 06:42.51 | dalias | for some people, talking directly to alsa is "considered harmful" |
| 06:42.59 | simonrvn | naw, it's ok, you have a point |
| 06:43.19 | Growly | does sound like a girl's name |
| 06:43.23 | Growly | that's kinda hot |
| 06:43.26 | Growly | kinda. |
| 06:43.31 | simonrvn | Elsa |
| 06:43.33 | SpeedyG | lol |
| 06:43.40 | peterS | you can get anything you want |
| 06:43.41 | peterS | at alsa's restaurant |
| 06:43.44 | Growly | haha |
| 06:43.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:44.00 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: how'd you know my sis? :o :P |
| 06:44.01 | GarryFre | alsa A Lucious Sexy Actress. |
| 06:44.09 | dalias | wow now i see how those bastards snunk this crap into the kernel |
| 06:44.23 | dalias | they just appealed to the sex-starvation of kernel nerds :P |
| 06:44.32 | GarryFre | The world malfunctions in mysterious ways. |
| 06:44.36 | simonrvn | sex-obsessed computer geeks ;p |
| 06:44.38 | peterS | see we think Elsa is a girl's name but really it's a graphics card vendor from Germany |
| 06:44.45 | dalias | haha |
| 06:44.46 | peterS | don't know if they're even still around |
| 06:44.54 | dalias | i remember them |
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| 06:45.01 | dalias | from like.... the early 90's |
| 06:45.19 | dalias | maybe more like late 80s? |
| 06:45.20 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: fortunately they havent yet added ascci-art girls to the kernel docs ;) |
| 06:45.31 | dalias | ooh |
| 06:45.32 | simonrvn | yet |
| 06:45.35 | dalias | i could help with that |
| 06:45.35 | Wyzard | I think I saw an nVidia-based card made by Elsa in the late 90s |
| 06:45.39 | dalias | i have some ascii art firls |
| 06:45.45 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: hm, good point ;) |
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| 06:46.05 | simonrvn | i can't remember how many mentions of 'fuck' there are |
| 06:46.11 | simonrvn | in the linux kernel |
| 06:46.15 | dalias | girls* |
| 06:46.17 | peterS | thanks to the sparc port and Dave Miller, quite a few |
| 06:46.34 | dalias | linux source needs some ascii goatse |
| 06:46.38 | peterS | (he did early work on the mips port too, don't know if he used the same language there) |
| 06:46.39 | dalias | and guys enjoying sheep |
| 06:46.40 | mhall | peterS: only sun could take such nice hardware and fuck up the programming interface so much |
| 06:46.46 | dalias | and other annoying ascii art |
| 06:46.59 | peterS | mhall: hey they do use OF aka openboot, the programming interface ain't all bad |
| 06:47.03 | GarryFre | I thought Migraineslop was good at that. |
| 06:47.07 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: *ssshh* quiet on that.. before some american/british censorship-board tells all those nerds to remove it ;) |
| 06:47.22 | SpeedyG | or 'beep' it out ;) |
| 06:47.28 | peterS | SpeedyG: it isn't in the user interface, only the source comments |
| 06:47.35 | dalias | my fav ascii tho is ascii penguins :) |
| 06:47.45 | mhall | peterS: i think he was referring specifically to the HME |
| 06:47.48 | SpeedyG | peterS: people 'can' find that offensive ;) |
| 06:47.59 | dalias | and when you combine the two (ascii penguins + ascii pron) you get the most excellent asciiart of all |
| 06:48.05 | peterS | mhall: oh that was a quote? I thought that was you talking |
| 06:48.14 | peterS | dalias: don't _even_ go there (: |
| 06:48.21 | mhall | peterS: little from column a, little from column b ;-) |
| 06:48.25 | dalias | peters, :) |
| 06:49.20 | simonrvn | iirc it was either 48 or 52, depending on version... though this was back in the 2.4 days |
| 06:50.56 | ameyer | i think a whole bunch of shit went into 2.6.9 |
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| 06:51.38 | zubascis | hey can someone here help me set up my apache server? |
| 06:51.53 | hoxu | zubascis, ask the actual question |
| 06:52.02 | zubascis | i'd do it, but i'm a bit tired from eating peters's mom's fat shitty asshole out |
| 06:52.12 | simonrvn | hoxu: he's another one |
| 06:52.22 | simonrvn | oh nm, you noticed ;) |
| 06:52.30 | zoob | LAWL |
| 06:52.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:52.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c-68-50-30-39.hsd1.md.comcast.net] by peterS |
| 06:52.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:52.45 | simonrvn | peterS: ban the user name |
| 06:52.50 | simonrvn | n=11 |
| 06:53.54 | mhall | lame |
| 06:56.46 | ameyer | that was a lame update to the "I copulated with your mother" troll tactic... |
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| 07:05.11 | mhall | ameyer: I feel sorry for anybody who has with mine |
| 07:05.55 | peterS | mhall: yeah that's a good answer. "someone as old as her, that's the best you could do?" |
| 07:07.15 | Supaplex | apparently sudo ignores /etc/environment ? |
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| 07:07.43 | Supaplex | I guess it's by design. humm |
| 07:08.09 | simonrvn | yeh. gotta explicitly set env vars to not be reset |
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| 07:08.26 | peterS | Supaplex: you don't have "session required pam_env.so readenv=1" in /etc/pam.d/sudo? then yeah, it will ignore it |
| 07:09.30 | simonrvn | you can do that, but i'd rather clear most of those out |
| 07:10.26 | peterS | well the idea is that you don't put random crap in /etc/environment anyway, only the really useful stuff |
| 07:10.29 | Supaplex | if it's in /etc/environment I don't mind. will that pam modification allow user supplied env? (If so, I won't use that option). I'm considering env_keep |
| 07:10.41 | Supaplex | like the proxy servers ... :) |
| 07:11.01 | peterS | Supaplex: "session required pam_env.so envfile=/foo" in /etc/pam.d/sudo if you want that |
| 07:11.14 | Supaplex | ahh ok. sweet. thanks :) |
| 07:11.25 | peterS | a "readenv=1" on that line _seems_ to be optional.... |
| 07:11.44 | peterS | (it also seems to be redundant, I don't know why you'd mention that module if you didn't want it to read the file) |
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| 07:11.59 | Supaplex | that as the last line I assume is fine? |
| 07:12.08 | Supaplex | that == session required pam_env.so envfile=/foo |
| 07:12.14 | Supaplex | er s/foo/$file/ |
| 07:12.26 | peterS | errr, how many "session" lines do you have in /etc/pam.d/sudo, anyway? |
| 07:12.44 | Supaplex | no session lines. |
| 07:12.44 | peterS | I suppose you can put your "session" lines in any order you desire |
| 07:12.51 | simonrvn | default seems to be none, just common-auth and common-account |
| 07:13.11 | peterS | they don't interfere with "auth", "account" or "password" lines |
| 07:13.12 | Supaplex | yea, just some @includes |
| 07:13.45 | peterS | not that "password" applies to sudo anyway, it doesn't provide a password change mechanism |
| 07:14.22 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/x67eWz85.html |
| 07:15.25 | Supaplex | sudo sh -c set doesn't print expected/desired results either. |
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| 07:17.46 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 07:17.50 | *** mode/#debian [-r] by peterS |
| 07:17.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
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| 07:18.14 | peterS | arrright, that does it. screw you guys, ahm goin home |
| 07:18.46 | ameyer | oh great... |
| 07:19.16 | Supaplex | !kiss peterS |
| 07:19.16 | EznorbYar | hey guys... |
| 07:19.23 | peterS | or, translated from south park to English, I've been up for 20 hours and it's time to stop being up. have to finish getting over my cold too. |
| 07:19.30 | EznorbYar | is debian a guy or a girl? |
| 07:19.31 | ameyer | sorry, I should shut up and/or go... |
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| 07:19.38 | Supaplex | EznorbYar: yes |
| 07:19.40 | peterS | EznorbYar: yes |
| 07:19.45 | peterS | good call, Supaplex |
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| 07:20.29 | SpeedyG | Supaplex/peterS isnt it both? :) |
| 07:20.37 | peterS | maybe |
| 07:20.39 | Supaplex | 'yes' qualifies. |
| 07:20.44 | ameyer | yeah, debian's a shemale... |
| 07:20.44 | roxy_ | EznorbYar: google debian history |
| 07:20.47 | SpeedyG | gheh |
| 07:21.07 | ameyer | seriously, Deb is Ian Murdoch's wife |
| 07:21.19 | ameyer | deb+ian=? |
| 07:21.22 | EznorbYar | it always talk to me in the first person, with it's error messages and whatnot, so i feel like i should be calling it he/she |
| 07:21.29 | roxy_ | EznorbYar: or "aptitude install debian-history" |
| 07:21.31 | SpeedyG | ameyer: exactly :) |
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| 07:21.42 | xoz | no, she male means *deb is ian* |
| 07:21.53 | Supaplex | EznorbYar: it? the install, or this bot we call dpkg? be specific. |
| 07:21.57 | peterS | EznorbYar: name your computer something that is obviously male or female, that will help solve your issue in your mind |
| 07:22.27 | EznorbYar | Supaplex: haha neither. i'm talking about debian itself |
| 07:22.38 | peterS | EznorbYar: anyway what do you mean it always talks to you in the first person? "I'm sorry, EznorbYar, I'm afraid I can't fsck that disk" |
| 07:23.10 | EznorbYar | peterS: yeah, stuff like that. i've even gotten an error message with something like "I cannot stress this enough..." in |
| 07:23.12 | peterS | "What are you doing, EznorbYar? I cannot allow you to unmount /proc" |
| 07:23.17 | Supaplex | lol yea, my thoughts as well. |
| 07:23.34 | peterS | EznorbYar: oh, that would be when you upgrade your linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 package, right? that message is a little strange |
| 07:23.52 | EznorbYar | i think thats the one, yes |
| 07:23.52 | roxy_ | "I cannot stress this enough" seems more like a dpkg message to me. |
| 07:24.09 | peterS | roxy_: it is a warning dialog you get when upgrading your kernel |
| 07:24.10 | EznorbYar | something along the lines of "I cannot stress this enough, you NEED to reboot soon." |
| 07:24.27 | Supaplex | I never reboot. My machine on the other hand ... |
| 07:24.39 | Supaplex | :> |
| 07:24.43 | peterS | EznorbYar: actually, you could think of it as Manoj Srivastava telling you that _he_ cannot stress it enough. he wrote that message. |
| 07:24.58 | peterS | EznorbYar: I've met him, he's definitely a dude |
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| 07:25.19 | Supaplex | :) |
| 07:25.24 | justinhe | hello everyone , i got puzzled ,could anyone tell me which mainboard can support AMD Lancaster mobile CPU ? i need you help indeed |
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| 07:25.53 | DocPlatypus | what the hell is a Lancaster? |
| 07:25.53 | justinhe | though this is not a question about debian |
| 07:25.54 | roxy_ | peterS: could you stop it ? all my fantasy world is falling appart. |
| 07:26.13 | justinhe | AMD mobile CPU such as MT ML series |
| 07:26.20 | justinhe | DocPlatypus, thanks |
| 07:26.45 | peterS | roxy_: hmm, come to think of it, I've met his wife, too. I wonder if she can stress it enough. |
| 07:26.55 | roxy_ | :-) better |
| 07:26.59 | EznorbYar | i've stressed her more than enough ;) |
| 07:27.15 | peterS | that is to say, Manoj's wife Judy |
| 07:27.32 | DocPlatypus | justinhe: I'd have to see the spec sheet for each barebone/mobile motherboard to see if it's compatible, probably |
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| 07:27.37 | DocPlatypus | I haven't kept up my hardware scorecard, sadly |
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| 07:27.46 | ameyer | ok, I've seen one too many enzyte commercials for the night |
| 07:27.55 | peterS | DocPlatypus: but ... but that was totally your job. you dropped the ball on us this time. |
| 07:28.00 | ameyer | and about 5 too many girls gone wild commercials |
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| 07:28.51 | Ahmadinejad | Hi, how to delete the history og the bash? |
| 07:29.09 | justinhe | i mean , i already have a amd ML-40 2.2G |
| 07:29.11 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, .bash_history |
| 07:29.18 | peterS | Ahmadinejad: you could do it the harsh way: rm ~/.bash_history; kill -9 $$ |
| 07:29.33 | peterS | (the -9 means don't give bash a chance to write out its current session history) |
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| 07:29.53 | Ahmadinejad | hmm |
| 07:29.55 | xoz | Ahmadinejad: > .bash_history |
| 07:29.57 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, you can "unset HISTFILE" if you don't want current session history to be saved |
| 07:30.07 | Ahmadinejad | I remember that there was a very simple command |
| 07:30.08 | peterS | such harsh measures are not needed, but it's a quick and easy way to do what you asked (: |
| 07:30.11 | justinhe | i mean , i already have a amd ML-40 2.2G CPU on my hand , and i'd like to buy a motherboard (which is for desktop) to make use of it , thanks DocPlatypus |
| 07:30.18 | Ahmadinejad | just dont remember the exact command |
| 07:30.27 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, man builtins, /^ *history |
| 07:30.28 | DocPlatypus | not sure if a desktop motherboard can use those things |
| 07:30.34 | xoz | Ahmadinejad: > .bash_history is simple |
| 07:30.47 | peterS | justinhe: odd that you would buy a CPU without knowing what you would plug it into. most people do it kind of the other way around |
| 07:30.51 | Ahmadinejad | I'll try |
| 07:30.52 | roxy_ | Ahmadinejad: the trick is: there isn't. Just don't type anything |
| 07:31.02 | hoxu | !lart roxy_ |
| 07:31.27 | Ahmadinejad | :P |
| 07:31.50 | Ahmadinejad | I have tried Vista the last few days |
| 07:31.57 | justinhe | the key is , is there any motherboard that can support ML-40 (socket 754 mobile CPU ) ? |
| 07:31.57 | Ahmadinejad | Now back on debian |
| 07:32.01 | peterS | xoz: yeah until bash writes out your current session history some time after you removed the file, but before it exits |
| 07:32.08 | Ahmadinejad | its like being on EPO |
| 07:32.11 | Ahmadinejad | No lag |
| 07:32.16 | Ahmadinejad | fast startup time |
| 07:32.24 | Ahmadinejad | its like that i have a supercomputer |
| 07:33.08 | peterS | a supercomputer would be nice, but what I really want is a pony |
| 07:33.26 | xoz | or bionic woman |
| 07:33.42 | peterS | I dunno, I think my gf could tolerate a pony, not so sure about the other |
| 07:33.50 | xoz | heh |
| 07:34.10 | Ahmadinejad | @Laptop:~$ .bash_history |
| 07:34.11 | Ahmadinejad | bash: .bash_history: command not found |
| 07:34.16 | peterS | my landlord would probably prefer the bionic woman though |
| 07:34.20 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, it's a file |
| 07:34.22 | peterS | since I'm not really supposed to have pets |
| 07:34.33 | Ahmadinejad | ah |
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| 07:34.42 | mhall | peterS: not so much old as ugly but yeah either way |
| 07:34.50 | peterS | *nod* |
| 07:34.56 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, type "man builtins" and then "/^ *history<enter>" to see what you can do with the builtin history command |
| 07:35.18 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, if you want to get rid of history altogether, put "unset HISTFILE" in your ~/.bashrc or something |
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| 07:35.48 | Ahmadinejad | ah, well it seems to me that this installation of debian not even save a bash history:D |
| 07:36.13 | Ahmadinejad | hoxu: But there was a single command i think |
| 07:36.24 | peterS | popt: now I'm [away], so you can tell your IRC client it's ok to grey me out if it wants, I won't be offended |
| 07:36.29 | Ahmadinejad | which deleted the history for the current user |
| 07:36.32 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, create an alias if typing two words is too difficult |
| 07:36.48 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, and read the manpage about history, everything you can do is there |
| 07:37.06 | popt | oop :) |
| 07:37.09 | Ahmadinejad | Ok, cool, i didnt know about making alias |
| 07:37.23 | flixil | 2 words!? Are you crazy? alias ab="word1 word2" Much more better |
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| 07:37.50 | peterS | DELETE FROM history WHERE user = '$LOGNAME' AND shell LIKE 'bash%'; |
| 07:37.51 | flixil | No one ever type 2 words in the same row... It's too much effort |
| 07:38.02 | hoxu | peterS, you liar. |
| 07:38.23 | ameyer | ok, that's about 6 too many GGW commercials |
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| 07:38.34 | peterS | ameyer: is snoop still doing it? |
| 07:38.41 | ameyer | peterS: who knows |
| 07:38.55 | ameyer | not as far as I know |
| 07:39.03 | ma3x | i keep getting these warnings and my computer shuts down. what the hell is the matter? kernel: ACPI: Critical trip point |
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| 07:39.23 | DawnLight | your computer is trippin' |
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| 07:39.48 | ma3x | what's that ? |
| 07:39.53 | hoxu | ma3x, tried googling with the exact message yet? |
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| 07:39.59 | ma3x | yeah |
| 07:40.07 | mhall | SELECT * from users WHERE clue > 0; |
| 07:40.10 | DawnLight | only joking |
| 07:40.13 | mhall | 0 rows matched. |
| 07:40.17 | ma3x | overheat or something |
| 07:40.47 | DawnLight | now that is a little funny mhall |
| 07:40.58 | hoxu | ma3x, tried with a different kernel version? |
| 07:41.00 | ma3x | how come? I've had my cpu work at max all the time it never shut down |
| 07:41.06 | ma3x | why this one shuts down? |
| 07:41.19 | ma3x | hoxu, i use the stable latest |
| 07:42.16 | mhall | DawnLight: thanks... that's a classic database admin joke |
| 07:42.20 | hoxu | ma3x, from debian or kernel.org? |
| 07:42.29 | ma3x | hoxu, the latest stable from debian |
| 07:42.30 | ma3x | etch |
| 07:42.59 | hoxu | I have no clue really, but it might be worth the try to see if newest vanilla kernel helps, in case it's a kernel bug |
| 07:43.27 | DawnLight | perhaps you do have an overheat? |
| 07:43.43 | xoz | ma3x: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/thermal.html... maybe, check your threshold values? |
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| 07:44.05 | hoxu | well yeah, another good idea may be to check the table under the laptop and see if it has been charred :P |
| 07:45.01 | ma3x | what file should I edit to change the temp? |
| 07:45.16 | ma3x | I do have an overheat but a small one |
| 07:45.26 | ma3x | it can't harm my system |
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| 07:45.33 | hoxu | famous last words |
| 07:45.38 | Ahmadinejad | hmm did unset HISTFILE preventing the bash from writing the history or dos it delete it? |
| 07:45.51 | *** part/#debian justinhe (n=justinhe@218.4.153.115) |
| 07:46.01 | ian_ | i was told to ask here for how to install a proprietary nvidia driver for my nvidia legacy geforce4 mx 440 |
| 07:46.04 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, it prevents bash from saving the history of current interactive session, see man bash /HISTFILE |
| 07:46.39 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 07:46.43 | ma3x | I should custom compile the kernel to disable the thermal overheat? |
| 07:47.06 | hoxu | ian_, see http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html and maybe #nvidia |
| 07:47.09 | mandrigal | wow i got back into debian |
| 07:47.17 | Ahmadinejad | well, i typed: unset HISTFILE |
| 07:47.27 | Ahmadinejad | and i can still watch the history |
| 07:47.52 | hoxu | Ahmadinejad, the history of the bash session where you type that will be in memory, but won't be written to the file |
| 07:47.57 | ian_ | hoxu: i was also told that the drivers on nvidia.com arent suitable for debian |
| 07:48.02 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 07:48.26 | DawnLight | ian_: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 07:48.27 | mhall | !tell ian_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:48.29 | xoz | ma3x: maybe in bios? |
| 07:48.30 | hoxu | ian_, works for me, I use the installers from nvidia.com - it may not be the debian way but I don't really care :P |
| 07:48.43 | mhall | !lart hoxu |
| 07:48.48 | hoxu | :} |
| 07:48.56 | ma3x | xoz, bios dont have shit on my laptop |
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| 07:49.14 | hoxu | oh no, no more re-education, I'll be a good kid ! |
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| 07:49.34 | ian_ | mhall: my card doesnt support nvidia-glx |
| 07:49.38 | ian_ | its a legacy card |
| 07:49.53 | xoz | ma3x: disable acpi |
| 07:50.16 | ma3x | xoz, what will then happen? I'll loose something? like leds flashing? |
| 07:50.19 | xoz | ma3x: and fry a barbeq in your laptop |
| 07:50.28 | ian_ | i was told i was looking for the driver 'nvidia' not 'nvidia-glx' |
| 07:51.32 | mhall | ian_: ah my mistake but there is something you can still do. in the module assistant the have the legacy driver |
| 07:51.33 | xoz | ma3x: you may have to recompile acpi and hack the source.... google for the problem. this has been discussed before in many forums. |
| 07:51.36 | DawnLight | ian_: this will explain the legacy issue also http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 07:51.39 | mhall | ian_: can you take a crack at that? |
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| 07:52.48 | mhall | @#$% you very much ACPI |
| 07:53.03 | ian_ | DawnLight: reading, thanks |
| 07:54.02 | Eulex | ian_, nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source ? |
| 07:54.38 | ian_ | Eulex: looks that way from what im reading |
| 07:54.44 | ian_ | thanks :) |
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| 07:57.17 | ma3x | how does acpi know the temperature of my laptop? I start yacpi and it always shows 75 degree |
| 07:57.45 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 07:57.49 | xoz | lm sensors |
| 07:57.58 | Eulex | acpi != lmsensors |
| 07:58.12 | Eulex | acpi... is just acpi |
| 07:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 749] by debhelper |
| 07:59.01 | mandrigal | if anyone would like an update on my troubles from last night, i finally got the right file split in to and and currently sending it to my external hdd |
| 07:59.11 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 07:59.15 | mandrigal | *in two |
| 07:59.26 | mandrigal | *and am |
| 07:59.35 | glguy | Does anyone know offhand if the debian install CD has cryptsetup support? (dm-mod and luks) |
| 07:59.36 | mandrigal | i need typing lessons |
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| 08:00.20 | hoxu | mandrigal, you may be able to find a teacher here, depending on the set of chromosomes you shipped with |
| 08:01.00 | frederico | hello |
| 08:01.04 | frederico | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.04 | frederico | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.04 | frederico | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.04 | frederico | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.04 | frederico | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.04 | *** kick/#debian [frederico!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 08:01.15 | mandrigal | i have both |
| 08:01.17 | ian_ | figlet :> |
| 08:01.33 | steven493 | what the fuck was that? |
| 08:01.42 | *** join/#debian war (i=war@209.160.39.248) |
| 08:01.43 | chemist | racist prick |
| 08:01.43 | mandrigal | bad acsii |
| 08:01.47 | dalias | peters, can we put back mode +r? |
| 08:01.58 | steven493 | DCC SEND I_SMELL_NIGGER 0 0 0\a |
| 08:02.02 | *** join/#debian oenixx (n=oenixx@58.62.120.70) |
| 08:02.04 | steven493 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.04 | steven493 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.04 | steven493 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.04 | steven493 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.04 | steven493 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.04 | *** kick/#debian [steven493!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 08:02.06 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:02.08 | *** join/#debian steven493 (n=11@c-75-69-76-233.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) |
| 08:02.15 | SpeedyG | !ops steven493 spammer |
| 08:02.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: speedyg complains about: steven493 spammer |
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| 08:03.02 | *** join/#debian Duddle (n=Duddle@pool-118-7-196-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) |
| 08:03.54 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:04.14 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:04.23 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:04.25 | Fieldy | !ops zewb (dcc s*nd flooder) joined |
| 08:04.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: fieldy complains about: zewb (dcc s*nd flooder) joined |
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| 08:04.50 | Fieldy | he appears to be sending the exploit directly to users |
| 08:04.56 | Fieldy | he was pulling this trick in #gentoo |
| 08:04.57 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:05.05 | Daveman | nice |
| 08:05.12 | SpeedyG | Fieldy: he's been doing that childish act for a few days now |
| 08:05.13 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:05.26 | *** part/#debian DocPlatypus (n=skquinn@xevious.platypuslabs.org) |
| 08:05.26 | *** join/#debian DocPlatypus (n=skquinn@xevious.platypuslabs.org) |
| 08:05.26 | glguy | so... a ban for the join flooder? |
| 08:05.28 | SpeedyG | racist-spam, dcc-abuse, anoying people, and more of such |
| 08:05.35 | SpeedyG | oh, and ban-evading |
| 08:05.40 | Daveman | haha winnar |
| 08:05.57 | bullgard4 | "rdev is an utility for obtaining information about a Linux system. It is used to query the image root device, the video mode, and a RAM disk." What is an 'image root device'? |
| 08:06.04 | ian_ | Eulex: nvidia-legacy-96xx failed, but -source worked :\ |
| 08:06.17 | DawnLight | he just wants some attension. lets all give him a big hug |
| 08:06.37 | SpeedyG | DawnLight: imo, he's had to much attention allready |
| 08:06.37 | DocPlatypus | !ops --- Received a CTCP from franklington |
| 08:06.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: docplatypus complains about: --- Received a CTCP from franklington |
| 08:06.38 | Eulex | ian_, ah, sorry, the package wasn't split into two legacy packages until after etch was released... |
| 08:06.55 | DawnLight | he needs positive attension |
| 08:07.13 | SpeedyG | DawnLight: he needs some good asskicking by his mommy |
| 08:07.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 08:07.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 08:07.41 | glguy | who goes over the !ops log? |
| 08:07.55 | DawnLight | that could be what brought him to be an idiot |
| 08:08.19 | SpeedyG | DawnLight: hm, good point, idiots arent born, they're made :) |
| 08:08.42 | Fieldy | glguy: awake ops and staff. which there appear to be none right now (i can't find any staff to kill the guy) |
| 08:08.50 | *** part/#debian zewb (n=11@c-75-69-76-233.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) |
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| 08:09.01 | *** join/#debian ewfiwanw (n=11@c-75-69-76-233.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) |
| 08:09.05 | ewfiwanw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.06 | ewfiwanw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.06 | ewfiwanw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.06 | glguy | Fieldy: lots of staff listed with: /who freenode* |
| 08:09.08 | ewfiwanw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.11 | ewfiwanw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.12 | ewfiwanw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.18 | Fieldy | thought it was /stats p |
| 08:09.19 | glguy | haha, I broke your art |
| 08:09.20 | SpeedyG | wow, zew leaves to rejoin as ewfiwanw so we wont think he's the same ... :o |
| 08:09.21 | Fieldy | let me try that |
| 08:09.35 | SpeedyG | Fieldy: 0 staff members :( |
| 08:09.40 | glguy | Fieldy: /stats p is for active staff |
| 08:09.51 | glguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:09.55 | *** part/#debian zewbington (n=11@c-75-69-76-233.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) |
| 08:09.57 | glguy | which is what the website says to do |
| 08:10.01 | glguy | if /stats p is empty |
| 08:10.13 | SpeedyG | unfortunately, it wont help much |
| 08:10.17 | *** join/#debian JEWSARESHIT (n=11@c-75-69-76-233.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) |
| 08:10.20 | *** join/#debian NetEcho_ (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:10.22 | JEWSARESHIT | ZIEG HEIL |
| 08:10.27 | SpeedyG | since he keeps evading all attempts to ban him |
| 08:10.33 | JEWSARESHIT | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 08:10.33 | Fieldy | setting +r would help |
| 08:10.34 | JEWSARESHIT | HA HA HA |
| 08:10.35 | *** join/#debian NetEcho_ (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:10.39 | SpeedyG | JEWSARESHIT: why do you keep to annoy us like this? |
| 08:10.42 | glguy | SpeedyG: like banning the hostname? |
| 08:11.02 | JEWSARESHIT | BECUASE I HAVE NO LIEF |
| 08:11.08 | glguy | lol, tell me more |
| 08:11.15 | DawnLight | JEWSARESHIT: who took your life? |
| 08:11.20 | SpeedyG | JEWSARESHIT: why dont you try to get one then? :) |
| 08:11.20 | JEWSARESHIT | I WEIGH 493 POUNDS AND I LIVE WITH MY MOTHER |
| 08:11.21 | Fieldy | well without any active ops or staff, everyone is dead in the water. enjoy |
| 08:11.25 | SpeedyG | glguy: that wont help |
| 08:11.31 | jbm | +r, definitely. |
| 08:11.33 | JEWSARESHIT | I WATCH BATTLE STAR GALACTICA |
| 08:11.34 | SpeedyG | glguy: he's been online here with over a dozen hostnames now |
| 08:11.42 | JEWSARESHIT | MY REAL NAME IS STEWART FINKLSTEIN |
| 08:11.44 | glguy | SpeedyG: the ban list can hold that many :) |
| 08:11.47 | jbm | gb2gnaa |
| 08:11.54 | JEWSARESHIT | LOL GNAA |
| 08:11.55 | *** join/#debian User_FriendlY (n=User_Fri@87-126-219-41.btc-net.bg) |
| 08:11.56 | *** join/#debian NetEcho_ (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:12.00 | JEWSARESHIT | I AM NOT FROM GNAA FOOLS |
| 08:12.01 | SpeedyG | glguy: true, but the ops will eventually also have other stuff to do |
| 08:12.08 | JEWSARESHIT | I BELONG TO NO GROUP |
| 08:12.11 | JEWSARESHIT | I AM SOLO |
| 08:12.13 | glguy | wow, solo |
| 08:12.15 | glguy | tell me more |
| 08:12.18 | *** join/#debian Zarla (n=fmb@gwenola.sceen.net) |
| 08:12.31 | JEWSARESHIT | Zarla is one of my aliases, btw |
| 08:12.31 | *** join/#debian bit` (n=bit@222.124.122.188) |
| 08:12.33 | SpeedyG | JEWSARESHIT: could you please stop using caps, talking in lowercase is just as understandable |
| 08:12.36 | DawnLight | JEWSARESHIT: welcome to #debian. finally something interesting happens here |
| 08:12.40 | glguy | Are you spamming the channel hardcore like? using telnet? |
| 08:12.40 | Eulex | don't feed the troll... |
| 08:12.40 | SpeedyG | thanks :) |
| 08:12.42 | JEWSARESHIT | GO SUCK A NIGGER |
| 08:12.48 | *** join/#debian NetEcho_ (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 08:12.53 | NetEcho_ | having fun? |
| 08:13.01 | xoz | !ops JEWSARESHIT is having fun |
| 08:13.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xoz complains about: JEWSARESHIT is having fun |
| 08:13.08 | JEWSARESHIT | YOU FAGS READ [[Internet Troll]] ON WIKIPEDIA AND SUDDENLY YOU'RE ALL FUCKING EXPERTS ON THE SUBJECT |
| 08:13.19 | glguy | lol, he knows wiki markup |
| 08:13.40 | *** part/#debian dragonheart (n=dragonhe@gentoo/developer/dragonheart) |
| 08:13.45 | bit` | glguy, It could be an accident |
| 08:13.56 | JEWSARESHIT | LOL FAIL |
| 08:13.57 | popt | you got nothing, no life goal, just troll here for fun? |
| 08:13.59 | SpeedyG | glguy: they've tried to ban both hostnames, usernames and nicknames.. but as you can see, nothing helped :) |
| 08:14.05 | Eulex | NetEcho_, that won't save your router from dropping connections when someone uses the dcc exploit... |
| 08:14.11 | glguy | SpeedyG: yeah, he's dedicated |
| 08:14.12 | JEWSARESHIT | LOL |
| 08:14.17 | DawnLight | be gentle to him friends |
| 08:14.22 | JEWSARESHIT | NETECHO IS WHAT WE CALL A "NOOB" |
| 08:14.28 | glguy | oh, cool, slang |
| 08:14.38 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=netecho@slackadelic.com) |
| 08:14.39 | Fieldy | Eulex: multiple people attempted to explain it to him, however, he's denying it's true. not much we can do |
| 08:14.44 | NetEcho | I should so DDoS him |
| 08:14.52 | Eulex | Fieldy, heh |
| 08:14.53 | NetEcho | with this nice fiber line |
| 08:14.55 | JEWSARESHIT | LOL YEAH |
| 08:15.01 | JEWSARESHIT | YOU SHOULD TOTALLY HACK MY MEGABYTES |
| 08:15.04 | Fieldy | kiddie behavior begets kiddie behavior. he's not using his own host anyway |
| 08:15.12 | NetEcho | well you're using a packet attack |
| 08:15.18 | JEWSARESHIT | LOLOLOLOL |
| 08:15.21 | xoz | tcpkill |
| 08:15.23 | JEWSARESHIT | ITS A DCC EXPLOIT YOU IDIOT |
| 08:15.26 | JEWSARESHIT | NOT A PACKET ATTACK |
| 08:15.30 | NetEcho | no its not I blocked DCC fully |
| 08:15.35 | JEWSARESHIT | DCC EXPLOIT IS LIKE THE OLDEST TRICK EVER |
| 08:15.46 | jbm | uh. exploit upon what client, foghat? |
| 08:15.47 | thedonvaughn | we have JEWSARESHIT's IP, he's not very smart |
| 08:15.47 | NetEcho | I know the old DCC exploit |
| 08:15.48 | DawnLight | JEWSARESHIT: where you from? |
| 08:15.51 | glguy | your router thinks that it is doing you a favor |
| 08:16.00 | glguy | DawnLight: he's from germany, can't you tell? |
| 08:16.01 | JEWSARESHIT | LOL PROXY LOSERS |
| 08:16.03 | JEWSARESHIT | YOU HAVE NOTHING |
| 08:16.16 | JEWSARESHIT | YOU HAVE NOTHING |
| 08:16.33 | thedonvaughn | JEWSARESHIT, uhm i have your exact comcast personal account. Logs emailed to their abuse department. good day |
| 08:16.34 | JEWSARESHIT | thedonvaughn is what we call an "internet tough guy" |
| 08:16.39 | JEWSARESHIT | lololol |
| 08:16.43 | *** part/#debian irix|Stopped (n=irix@gnu/translator/irix) |
| 08:16.45 | JEWSARESHIT | i don't even use comcast |
| 08:16.47 | JEWSARESHIT | that was a proxy |
| 08:16.57 | JEWSARESHIT | good job getting some random guy in trouble |
| 08:17.13 | *** join/#debian popt (n=popt@61.232.13.2) |
| 08:17.27 | glguy | he deserves it if he's running an open proxy anyway :) |
| 08:17.27 | itchi | I'm just waked up and feeld that i will be sad today |
| 08:17.28 | JEWSARESHIT | plus comcast uses dynamic ips that change constantly |
| 08:17.29 | Eulex | a 'random guy' offering his internet account to offer a proxy to anyone |
| 08:17.33 | *** join/#debian downhillgames (n=downhill@adsl-75-40-227-12.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:17.34 | dalias | if a random guy has a compromised machine i'm all for getting him in trouble... |
| 08:17.40 | JEWSARESHIT | you are a fucking newb |
| 08:17.40 | downhillgames | what's the boot param to add to go into single user mode? |
| 08:17.44 | downhillgames | sorrY! :( |
| 08:17.47 | *** join/#debian pngwn_ (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 08:17.56 | itchi | Could you please kill that fucking guy |
| 08:18.00 | Eulex | downhillgames, ignore JEWSARESHIT. he's a troll. |
| 08:18.02 | Guerin | !ops JEWSARESHIT |
| 08:18.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: JEWSARESHIT |
| 08:18.07 | Turbot | countdown to fish on january 4, fish, on, january 4 |
| 08:18.10 | JEWSARESHIT | MY INTERNET COMPANY IS GOING TO CUT ME OFF FOR BEING MEAN ON THE INTERNETS :( |
| 08:18.11 | downhillgames | Eulex; yeah, i'm just being silly.. i see that now |
| 08:18.18 | SpeedyG | Guerin: it's kinda useless right now.. they're all afk |
| 08:18.30 | itchi | Anyway, hi my lovely guys :-p |
| 08:18.35 | Guerin | JEWSARESHIT: yes, it fucking is. We frequently make official complaints to peoples' ISPs. |
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| 08:18.42 | Turbot | countdown to fish on january 4, fish, on, january 4 |
| 08:18.42 | Guerin | SpeedyG: no harm in trying. |
| 08:18.48 | SpeedyG | Guerin: true that :) |
| 08:18.56 | downhillgames | soooo how do i set single user mode in debian. |
| 08:18.59 | glguy | lol, his parents are going to be pissed when they lose their internet connction |
| 08:19.01 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 08:19.02 | Eulex | downhillgames, the argument is 'single' |
| 08:19.03 | *** join/#debian blan (n=marc@dslb-088-067-092-129.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:19.04 | downhillgames | i can't seem to remember my pass, my root pass, anything |
| 08:19.06 | thedonvaughn | heh |
| 08:19.11 | downhillgames | Eulex; thank you sir! |
| 08:19.13 | JEWSARESHIT | downhillgames: sudo rmdir /etc |
| 08:19.13 | Guerin | JEWSARESHIT: and cumcast, despite being pretty shit, are qquite compliant when it comes to cutting people off for breaching theiur TOS |
| 08:19.16 | *** join/#debian glaslos (n=Glaslos@frnk-590d05da.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 08:19.18 | *** part/#debian popt (n=popt@61.232.13.2) |
| 08:19.19 | JEWSARESHIT | LAWL |
| 08:19.21 | downhillgames | JEWSARESHIT; i like my conf files, thanks. |
| 08:19.25 | graytron | how do i remove the "Debian" menu in Debian? |
| 08:19.30 | Guerin | JEWSARESHIT: especially when we tell them you're distributing nazi child pr0n |
| 08:19.33 | JEWSARESHIT | LOL INTERNET TOUGH GUy |
| 08:19.40 | dalias | guerin, hahahaha |
| 08:19.42 | downhillgames | graytron; uh... GNOME, KDE, fluxbox, XFCE? |
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| 08:19.53 | Guerin | graytron: depends on the environment. |
| 08:20.06 | graytron | downhillgames & Guerin: KDE |
| 08:20.10 | Eulex | downhillgames, also, usually, grub adds a single user mode entry for every kernel you install |
| 08:20.12 | downhillgames | no idea. |
| 08:20.12 | JEWSARESHIT | You know, that idea of yours might actually work if I actually used comcast and wasnt just using a proxy |
| 08:20.19 | hoxu | graytron, there is a menu editor, isn't there? :p |
| 08:20.23 | Eulex | downhillgames, but single user mode won't help you if you don't forget your root pass |
| 08:20.31 | glguy | JEWS: do you know if the current debian iso support cryptsetup? |
| 08:20.31 | hoxu | graytron, like, right click -> edit menu |
| 08:20.36 | graytron | hoxu: yes, but that only removes the menu for one user |
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| 08:20.40 | downhillgames | Eulex; passwd root, no? |
| 08:20.41 | *** part/#debian Makenai (n=pawel@ip68-224-128-125.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 08:20.48 | graytron | hoxu: i need a global change |
| 08:21.06 | Eulex | downhillgames, well.... but you'll need the root password to even log in into single user mode. |
| 08:21.06 | Guerin | JEWSARESHIT: oh, illegal use of a comcast proxy. Excellent. |
| 08:21.14 | JEWSARESHIT | lololol |
| 08:21.19 | downhillgames | ah shit |
| 08:21.20 | JEWSARESHIT | you think proxies are illegal |
| 08:21.23 | NetEcho | Guerin: exactly |
| 08:21.23 | thedonvaughn | JEWSARESHIT doesn't understand timestamps |
| 08:21.24 | hoxu | stop feeding the troll |
| 08:21.33 | graytron | in Sarge it was as easy as uninstalling the "menu" package, afair, but Etch is not as good anymore :/ |
| 08:21.33 | NetEcho | JEWSARESHIT: its a violation of comcast TOS |
| 08:21.50 | JEWSARESHIT | but i don't use comcast |
| 08:21.52 | JEWSARESHIT | that was a proxy |
| 08:21.54 | downhillgames | Eulex; no, it works. |
| 08:21.55 | thedonvaughn | JEWSARESHIT, sure it is |
| 08:21.58 | Fieldy | NetEcho: for the third time: it's not. his. host. |
| 08:21.59 | JEWSARESHIT | lol ok |
| 08:22.02 | FrancoGG | what about stop feeding the troll and just ignore it? |
| 08:22.04 | Eulex | downhillgames, oh? |
| 08:22.06 | DawnLight | he isn't a troll. he's a human. |
| 08:22.08 | valdyn | graytron: in gnome? |
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| 08:22.13 | graytron | valdyn: in KDE |
| 08:22.23 | SpeedyG | DawnLight: a trolling human ;) |
| 08:22.26 | fosco | please do something against JEWSARESHIT |
| 08:22.29 | bit` | DawnLight, Looks like a dumb repeating bot to me. |
| 08:22.30 | SpeedyG | the worst kind in its sort ;) |
| 08:22.35 | dalias | fosco, no ops :( |
| 08:22.40 | itchi | I'm back with coffee, so i'm again happy :-p |
| 08:22.42 | dakoo | rasputin is still alive |
| 08:22.49 | downhillgames | Eulex; that's what single-user mode is for :) |
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| 08:22.53 | JEWSARESHIT | this is almost as funny as this dude on efnet who threatened to have me arrested for making fun of him on irc |
| 08:22.57 | SpeedyG | itchi: with guys like JEWSARESHIT, you might as well get a box of popcorn ;) |
| 08:22.57 | NetEcho | Fieldy: but it is a comcast customer's host and I'm sure that person would like to know its being abused |
| 08:22.59 | DawnLight | gentleness can achieve much more |
| 08:23.02 | valdyn | graytron: i see. Gnome has a profile manager GUI for (global) user profiles, i don't know about kde having an equivalent |
| 08:23.08 | JEWSARESHIT | you internet losers don't realize: nobody fucking gives a shit |
| 08:23.15 | JEWSARESHIT | except you |
| 08:23.15 | itchi | SpeedyG: I'm just waked up :-) |
| 08:23.17 | JEWSARESHIT | :D |
| 08:23.20 | ameyer | !ops JEWSARESHIT is obviously trolling |
| 08:23.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ameyer complains about: JEWSARESHIT is obviously trolling |
| 08:23.20 | SpeedyG | itchi: me too ;) |
| 08:23.21 | Fieldy | NetEcho: feel free to call them, then, but you'll waste your time |
| 08:23.23 | thedonvaughn | JEWSARESHIT, uhm we're the losers trolling for fun on friday night? suuurreee. |
| 08:23.25 | moshii | JEWSARESHIT: pot, kettle |
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| 08:23.27 | graytron | valdyn: and i wouldn't want to run some KDE apps as root |
| 08:23.39 | NetEcho | Fieldy: I work for an ISP its direct communication |
| 08:23.40 | itchi | Rain day, i like this, this will be a day for my computer :-) |
| 08:23.51 | Fieldy | NetEcho: i'm sorry but you clearly don't understand the issues here :( |
| 08:23.52 | NetEcho | I used to speak with comcast on a daily basis |
| 08:24.07 | Eulex | downhillgames, my memory must be failing me then.... but I always remember it asking me for the root pass... |
| 08:24.11 | NetEcho | well I could care less about that lamer |
| 08:24.17 | NetEcho | but I hate seeing people's connections abused |
| 08:24.22 | hoxu | graytron, not sure about this, but you might want to have a look at the "menu" package |
| 08:24.24 | DawnLight | JEWSARESHIT: who are you? |
| 08:24.27 | JEWSARESHIT | NetEcho: you don't get it, do you? that wasn't my real host |
| 08:24.33 | NetEcho | I don't care |
| 08:24.35 | JEWSARESHIT | some call me zewb |
| 08:24.37 | SpeedyG | NetEcho: there's little to do about that if most isps keep ignoring it |
| 08:24.43 | JEWSARESHIT | NetEcho: ok, then. have fun |
| 08:24.46 | graytron | hoxu: i already uninstalled it. it worked in Sarge, but in Etch it doesn't remove the Debian menu |
| 08:24.49 | NetEcho | I'm having the customer contacted so he can clean his machine of trojans |
| 08:24.59 | bit` | An internet loser is someone instead of helping or learning something, spends that time prevent others from helping or learning. Loser. |
| 08:25.01 | JEWSARESHIT | comcast uses dynamic ip's, you give them an ip address, they won't know who the fuck you are talking about. |
| 08:25.04 | itchi | JEWSARESHIT: You are *that* stupid, go a way please |
| 08:25.12 | NetEcho | when a complaint is entered by an ISP rep they usualy lock the modem |
| 08:25.21 | JEWSARESHIT | looks like #debian belongs to me atm |
| 08:25.22 | moshii | JEWSARESHIT: i'm sure they have logs of the dhcp requests |
| 08:25.22 | Wyzard | JEWSARESHIT: They have records of which customer was using which IP at which time |
| 08:25.25 | hoxu | people, please stop talking to the troll |
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| 08:25.39 | NetEcho | hrm |
| 08:25.43 | itchi | JEWSARESHIT: #debian belongs to everyone i may say |
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| 08:25.48 | NetEcho | now the fact he gets arround ignores is interesting |
| 08:25.52 | JEWSARESHIT | not anymore |
| 08:25.55 | DawnLight | JEWSARESHIT: what do you do in your life? |
| 08:26.01 | Fieldy | funny how netecho denies it's his router that's vuln |
| 08:26.05 | zuub | that's better |
| 08:26.08 | intr80 | we coul instead all ping flood the loser? |
| 08:26.11 | zuub | no need for an anti-semetic nick |
| 08:26.13 | intr80 | anyone interested in helping? |
| 08:26.16 | moshii | JEWSARESHIT: i would say #debian belongs to freenode |
| 08:26.16 | zuub | yeah that will show me |
| 08:26.20 | itchi | zuub: no, stupid guy will be the ideal for you |
| 08:26.21 | Fieldy | wouldn't do anything intr80, he has hundreds of hosts to use |
| 08:26.25 | NetEcho | well a dcc attack wouldn't touch it directly so yea it has to be my router |
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| 08:26.35 | Fieldy | you're just putting yourself at kiddie level then anyway |
| 08:26.36 | intr80 | Fieldy: really? |
| 08:26.39 | intr80 | Fieldy: that sucks lots |
| 08:26.41 | downhillgames | NetEcho; connect to a port other than 6667 and it won't happen |
| 08:26.42 | hoxu | puh-lease |
| 08:26.43 | DawnLight | zuub: are you with me? |
| 08:26.50 | ameyer | !ops franklington is zewb and can we please have a ban on *!n=11@* |
| 08:26.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ameyer complains about: franklington is zewb and can we please have a ban on *!n=11@* |
| 08:26.54 | Fieldy | NetEcho: connect to port 8001 you'll be ok |
| 08:27.06 | downhillgames | or 6668 or 6669 or 7000 or 6666 or or or |
| 08:27.09 | downhillgames | just not 6667 |
| 08:27.09 | NetEcho | god I'd love to use this connection to DoS him but Matt would probably murder me when he got billed for BW usage |
| 08:27.12 | hoxu | !you're a troll |
| 08:27.13 | dpkg | DEBIAN RULES! EVERYONE SHOULD GET IT! |
| 08:27.16 | hoxu | back to topic now? :P |
| 08:27.22 | Fieldy | one wonders where the ops are. *28 ops*, none of them here |
| 08:27.30 | itchi | I have the feeling that ops don't want beer of me today. nah it's morning heh :-p |
| 08:27.31 | bit` | dpkg, hmm, where are the rules? ;) |
| 08:27.32 | dpkg | bit`: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:27.33 | ft | OR, you could just /ignore him and stop talking to him, so this stupid crap just stops. but I guess *someone* probably can't resist and will reply anyway... |
| 08:27.53 | Guerin | ignoration doesn't fix the problem |
| 08:27.58 | downhillgames | ft; done and done :) |
| 08:27.59 | Guerin | the problem is that he's trying to exploit people |
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| 08:28.09 | Guerin | i could give less of a fuck about the trolling |
| 08:28.09 | moshii | ft: we should mentally torture him/it until it fucks off |
| 08:28.12 | xoz | social engineering |
| 08:28.19 | SpeedyG | NetEcho_: that'd probably only give him more reason to annoy you |
| 08:28.27 | ameyer | especially with various widely-differing names, ignore doesn't help |
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| 08:28.37 | DawnLight | zuub: are you here? |
| 08:28.41 | downhillgames | how do i check what packages are installed on my system via CLI? |
| 08:28.44 | dalias | send abuse reports to the ip someone found for him earlier |
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| 08:28.49 | NetEcho | SpeedyG: yea and I like having shell access so i shall not abuse it |
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| 08:28.53 | ameyer | I mean, ignore what |
| 08:28.55 | downhillgames | a complete list in a txt file would be wonderful :) |
| 08:28.58 | SpeedyG | downhillgames: dpkg -L |
| 08:29.00 | downhillgames | ty |
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| 08:29.04 | Wyzard | downhillgames: dpkg -l |
| 08:29.07 | Guerin | downhillgames: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 08:29.10 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.21 | SpeedyG | oh , -l it was :) |
| 08:29.24 | Wyzard | downhillgames: Lowercase, not capital... capital is for listing all the files in a given package |
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| 08:29.30 | SpeedyG | I always confuse both :/ |
| 08:29.32 | dalias | his dad will probably sodomize him once he gets his parents' internet connection terminated... |
| 08:29.39 | downhillgames | Wyzard; ty sir |
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| 08:29.50 | NetEcho | whats the matter zuub falling behind? |
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| 08:29.58 | moshii | dalias: thats to say he doesnt already |
| 08:29.59 | garcian | lawl |
| 08:30.04 | thedonvaughn | 75.69.76.233 is his IP. comcast.net is his provider. I've already filed abuse |
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| 08:30.11 | NetEcho | zuub: you forgot to exploit NetEcho_ |
| 08:30.12 | garcian | lol that isnt my ip |
| 08:30.14 | dalias | moshii, :P |
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| 08:30.37 | zuib | i don't even live in the United States |
| 08:30.46 | downhillgames | 162 packages :D |
| 08:30.51 | zuib | you're WAYYYYY off, buddy |
| 08:30.52 | moshii | whats the point of a dcc attack against people that are going to be running non-retarded clients |
| 08:30.58 | downhillgames | dpkg -l | grep ii | wc -l |
| 08:30.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ii | wc -l |
| 08:31.05 | valdyn | graytron: Read: "file:///usr/share/doc/menu/html/ch6.html#s6.2" |
| 08:31.08 | zuib | i'll give you a hint; i live in sweden |
| 08:31.09 | manuel__ | hi |
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| 08:31.31 | graytron | valdyn: thanks a lot!!!! |
| 08:31.37 | ameyer | zuib: what the hell do we have to do to make you stop |
| 08:31.40 | downhillgames | how clever, dpkg is a bot |
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| 08:31.47 | NetEcho_ | ameyer its zuub not zuib |
| 08:31.49 | hoxu | graytron, ha, see now, told you to look at the package! ;) |
| 08:31.50 | manuel__ | how can i open a eterm window before kdm starts? |
| 08:31.51 | mandrigal | heh heh |
| 08:31.52 | Wyzard | ameyer: Simply ignore the trolling and continue talking about Debian |
| 08:31.56 | NetEcho_ | or is it zuib |
| 08:32.00 | zuib | lololol |
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| 08:32.03 | Eulex | dpkg -i cluebat.deb |
| 08:32.03 | dpkg | package cluebat.deb is already installed |
| 08:32.08 | moshii | zuib: are you that lonely you have nothing better to do than useless attacks? if you had any skill you would have done something by now |
| 08:32.11 | awilcox | manuel__ in your .xsession file |
| 08:32.12 | dalias | moshii, the dcc attack doesn't hit the clients. it hits a bug in some crappy linksys router |
| 08:32.17 | dalias | and crashes the router |
| 08:32.18 | DawnLight | zuib: how do you know all this hacking stuff? |
| 08:32.20 | graytron | hoxu: true, but you could have helped me more by pinpointing to that url ;) |
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| 08:32.26 | awilcox | moshii: ignore heeeeem |
| 08:32.35 | zuib | LOL I READ 2600 IT HAS ALL SORTS OF HAXXORS TIPS LOLOLOL |
| 08:32.38 | ameyer | no, zuub==zuib== a shitton of other cocksucking spammers |
| 08:32.43 | hoxu | graytron, that's if I weren't just making blind guesses ! ;) |
| 08:32.54 | zuib | god, this log is getting funnier by the minute |
| 08:32.59 | zuib | this is definitely going on ED |
| 08:32.59 | kloeri | zuib: stop it please |
| 08:33.03 | graytron | hoxu: heh |
| 08:33.09 | DawnLight | zuib: 2600? |
| 08:33.12 | zuib | kloeri: ok, since you said please, i'll stop |
| 08:33.25 | moshii | zuib: funny how? you're making yourself look like a retard |
| 08:33.27 | downhillgames | /ignore <name> all |
| 08:33.28 | downhillgames | ;) |
| 08:33.43 | zuib | ok, since moshii called me a retard, i'm going to start trolling you all again |
| 08:33.51 | zuib | you can thank moshii for ruining it for all of you |
| 08:34.04 | moshii | zuib: oh grow up you fuck wit |
| 08:34.05 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.11 | itchi | Please call |
| 08:34.11 | zuib | yes |
| 08:34.13 | bullgard4 | "rdev is an utility for obtaining information about a Linux system. It is used to query the image root device, the video mode, and a RAM disk." What is an 'image root device'? |
| 08:34.15 | zuib | go whine to the freenode staff |
| 08:34.18 | xoz | zuib: we enjoy circus show... like mutants |
| 08:34.18 | zuib | to make me stop |
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| 08:34.22 | DawnLight | zuib: i am hebrew. do you want to talk with me? |
| 08:34.27 | graytron | valdyn: but, how do i remove the "Debian" menu tree entirely? :) |
| 08:34.28 | zuib | and try to get my fake isp to disconnect me |
| 08:34.34 | zuib | lol |
| 08:34.34 | dalias | bullgard4, i dont think it applies with linux 2.6 |
| 08:34.38 | ameyer | zuib: we get it, you smell n*gger |
| 08:34.48 | ameyer | thank you |
| 08:34.50 | dalias | with older linux versions, you could copy the kernel onto raw media like a floppy |
| 08:34.53 | dalias | and boot from it |
| 08:34.54 | hoxu | offtopic, but can anyone verify this is the right command for irssi to ignore DCC on #debian? /ignore -channels #debian *!*@* DCC |
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| 08:35.05 | Fieldy | hoxu: it's not a client issue, it's a router issue |
| 08:35.09 | Fieldy | so that won't help |
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| 08:35.14 | dalias | and the 'image root device' would specify what device the floppy would try to mount as the root fs |
| 08:35.15 | itchi | b0z0killer: I LOVE you :-) |
| 08:35.18 | bullgard4 | dalias: Thank you for informing. |
| 08:35.26 | manuel__ | awilcox: i dont have this file |
| 08:35.31 | b0z0killer | !hug itchi |
| 08:35.35 | ameyer | hoxu: /set mode user +C |
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| 08:35.41 | moshii | what linksys routers does it affect? the linux based ones? |
| 08:35.41 | Wyzard | dalias: That still works, afaik, assuming the kernel isn't too big to fit on a floppy |
| 08:35.43 | hoxu | Fieldy, just want to get the DCC spam out of status window, if there's soe exploit it does not affect me... |
| 08:35.46 | itchi | b0z0killer: It's long time ago heh ;-) |
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| 08:35.57 | hoxu | ameyer, +C umode does not help against DCC |
| 08:35.59 | dalias | wyzard, really? cool |
| 08:36.05 | ameyer | hoxu: yes it does |
| 08:36.09 | b0z0killer | itchi: yaya ;-) |
| 08:36.10 | dalias | wyzard, i heard it had been killed somewhere in the 2.6 cycle |
| 08:36.23 | ameyer | hoxu: the server blocks CTCP requests to you |
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| 08:36.29 | xingu_ | Wyzard: depends on version; the floppy bootsector code was broken forever, not sure if it's even fixed now |
| 08:36.33 | Wyzard | dalias: I haven't heard anything like that, and I believe Debian still supports being installed from floppies |
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| 08:36.48 | dalias | wyzard, using syslinux |
| 08:36.53 | dalias | not raw floppy boot |
| 08:37.02 | Wyzard | ah |
| 08:37.03 | dalias | raw kernel on floppy is not a useful way to do installers |
| 08:37.08 | xoz | dlink wireless n router can handle more than 200 concurrent connections....linksys can't handle that much. |
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| 08:37.11 | dalias | because the root device is fairly system-specific |
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| 08:37.16 | DawnLight | did he leave? i wanted to talk with him |
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| 08:37.33 | SpeedyG | DawnLight: quit it |
| 08:37.40 | itchi | DawnLight: Seems to be K-lined |
| 08:37.40 | SpeedyG | he needs total ignorance |
| 08:37.40 | SpeedyG | not love |
| 08:37.46 | ameyer | !ops bob-dole is a senile old troll |
| 08:37.46 | xingu | dalias: and now, the boot device's major is boot-order dependant |
| 08:37.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ameyer complains about: bob-dole is a senile old troll |
| 08:38.07 | b0z0killer | !tuesday |
| 08:38.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, tuesday is soylent green day |
| 08:38.15 | kloeri | ameyer: just ignore him please |
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| 08:38.32 | ian_ | Eulex: you there? |
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| 08:38.54 | DawnLight | he seems to ignore me anyway |
| 08:38.56 | ameyer | if an op had the sense to ban *!n=11@* we'd be done with this shit |
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| 08:39.11 | Guerin | ameyer: because he wouldn't just change |
| 08:39.12 | Wyzard | ameyer: nah, he'd just change it |
| 08:39.15 | Fieldy | let's take the approach of ignoring. let's work as a team. |
| 08:39.16 | ian_ | Wyzard: they're invalid requests |
| 08:39.26 | Eulex | ian_, yeah |
| 08:39.35 | Guerin | Fieldy: impossible. And doesn't solve the problem anyway. |
| 08:39.39 | Wyzard | ian_: What are they supposed to accomplish? |
| 08:39.55 | dalias | wyzard, they crash some linksys router many people use |
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| 08:40.01 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 08:40.02 | ian_ | Eulex: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx installed successfully, but nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx fails and reports NOTHING in its build log |
| 08:40.11 | thedonvaughn | glad i use debian as my router :) |
| 08:40.17 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: see the notice ;) |
| 08:40.18 | moshii | dalias: do you know which model? |
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| 08:40.22 | dalias | nope |
| 08:40.27 | dalias | i just heard about it today |
| 08:40.29 | Eulex | ian_, weren't you using etch? |
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| 08:40.33 | ian_ | sid |
| 08:40.34 | Wyzard | yeah, I do too... I have a Linksys as a wireless access point, but it's behind the real firewall :-) |
| 08:40.37 | ameyer | it's vxworks-based routers... |
| 08:40.45 | dalias | before someone told me i thought he was trying to exploit crappy irc clients :) |
| 08:40.47 | moshii | dalias: im interested if its in the linux based ones or the vxworks ones |
| 08:40.51 | Eulex | dalias, some netgear routers are affected too |
| 08:40.53 | thedonvaughn | Wyzard, lol same here. well i have a belkin wap. but behind my debian NAT/firewall |
| 08:40.59 | ian_ | Eulex: no, sid |
| 08:41.01 | Eulex | ian_, ah |
| 08:41.01 | dalias | moshii, probably not linux-based ones |
| 08:41.08 | dalias | it's a bug in the port-remapping for DCC |
| 08:41.13 | dalias | and linux iptables has no such bug |
| 08:41.27 | ameyer | it's a vxworks bug |
| 08:41.32 | moshii | dalias: interesting, could affect a lot of people then |
| 08:41.46 | ameyer | vxworks sees it as an attack, and drops the connection |
| 08:41.52 | ian_ | Eulex: i followed everything exactly |
| 08:41.58 | ian_ | Ż(°_o)/Ż |
| 08:42.05 | dalias | haha lovely |
| 08:42.19 | Eulex | ian_, nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx is a normal package, it's supposed to be installed using apt-get install, not built using module-assistant |
| 08:42.29 | ian_ | oh |
| 08:42.34 | moshii | ameyer: how does it end up dos'ing the router however? |
| 08:42.36 | ian_ | then why does it say to use m-a :* |
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| 08:43.05 | ameyer | moshii: not dosing the router |
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| 08:43.09 | ian_ | and why does it want to remove my xserver when i try to apt-get it :( |
| 08:43.15 | Wyzard | moshii: If a third party can remotely kill your connection to the IRC server, that's DoS against you |
| 08:43.16 | Eulex | ian_, where does it say that? |
| 08:43.30 | ameyer | moshii: vxworks just drops the IRC connection |
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| 08:43.34 | moshii | Wyzard: ah, it drops the irc connection |
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| 08:44.04 | moshii | ameyer: someone said it crashed the router, that would be a major problem |
| 08:44.11 | Wyzard | yeah... and apparently that's all it does, unfortunately |
| 08:44.23 | ian_ | oh, i misread that part |
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| 08:44.38 | ian_ | Eulex: join #flood please |
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| 08:45.45 | ian_ | Eulex: when i apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, it wants to remove 45 xorg related packages |
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| 08:45.55 | moshii | I hate it when people use off-the-shelf exploits in some attempt to win the irc penis compo |
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| 08:46.19 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like he's using n=lol now |
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| 08:46.24 | b0z0killer | yep |
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| 08:46.28 | Eulex | ian_, breakage is not entirely uncommon in unstable. |
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| 08:46.35 | itchi | I take another cup of coffee :-p |
| 08:46.56 | b0z0killer | do a /whowas z3wb |
| 08:47.30 | DawnLight | ian_: listen... unstable is unstable. do you have a good reason to use it? |
| 08:47.34 | ian_ | Eulex: can i just dpkg -i nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx.deb instead of apt-get |
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| 08:47.59 | ian_ | DawnLight: i was trying to install a accelerated driver to get composite to work in xfce :( |
| 08:47.59 | Wyzard | ian_: That doesn't make package conflicts magically go away |
| 08:48.13 | Wyzard | ian_: You want to figure out what the root of the conflict is so you can resolve it |
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| 08:48.34 | ma3x | when i custom compile kernel, where can i get my old config? |
| 08:48.45 | Eulex | /boot |
| 08:48.59 | ian_ | Wyzard: and how would i do that |
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| 08:49.20 | Wyzard | ian_: For one thing, use aptitude rather than apt-get... in its interactive mode you can browse through packages, and it shows you what conflicts with what |
| 08:49.31 | ma3x | and what version should i get to compile? the newest? |
| 08:49.32 | ameyer | this is pointless |
| 08:49.46 | ma3x | or the same - etch one 2.6.18-5 |
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| 08:50.02 | Wyzard | ma3x: Whichever you prefer |
| 08:50.04 | DawnLight | ian_: consider not using unstable |
| 08:50.26 | ameyer | just /mode #debian +b *!*@* and be done with it |
| 08:50.42 | ameyer | that'd stop the shitflood |
| 08:50.43 | ma3x | should i get the source with apt-get or from kernel.org? |
| 08:50.44 | ian_ | DawnLight: does etch have a version of xfce in it's repos that supports real transparency? |
| 08:50.47 | Guerin | ameyer: you're stupider than he is |
| 08:50.51 | mandrigal | is it possible to define sector size with gparted |
| 08:51.02 | ian_ | Wyzard: aptitude made it not want to eat itself |
| 08:51.04 | ameyer | well, it would stop the flood |
| 08:51.05 | Wyzard | mandrigal: No, that's a fixed property of the disk |
| 08:51.07 | ian_ | lets see if that works |
| 08:51.17 | Wyzard | ian_: aptitude is better at dependency resolution in general, I believe |
| 08:51.22 | ameyer | although it may have a small amount of collateral damage |
| 08:51.32 | DawnLight | ian_: i really don't know. is that all that important to you? |
| 08:51.34 | mandrigal | so i dont need to worry about that? |
| 08:51.42 | ameyer | for extremely large values of small |
| 08:51.48 | Guerin | ameyer: taking horse tranquilisers would have the same effect |
| 08:51.51 | Guerin | for a while, anyway |
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| 08:52.05 | Wyzard | mandrigal: Sector size is 512 bytes on every hard drive made in the past two decades or so |
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| 08:52.15 | ian_ | DawnLight: well thats the reason im trying to install this blasted driver, so i would say yes its important to me if ive spent the last 2 hours slaving over it |
| 08:52.20 | Wyzard | mandrigal: though they'll be moving to 4k sectors in the next few years, I think |
| 08:52.26 | haier | hello |
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| 08:52.38 | ian_ | Wyzard: nevermind, it still wanted to remove the packages |
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| 08:52.50 | moshii | same guy is on the netbsd channel by the look of it... |
| 08:52.50 | haier | have somebody used the ltsp server ? |
| 08:53.12 | DawnLight | ian_: installing the nvidia proprietary really isn't a hassle in etch but unstable is always a problem |
| 08:53.20 | b0z0killer | mandrigal: blocksize however is a function of the OS and Filesystem |
| 08:53.21 | mandrigal | i guess partition magic is just stupid |
| 08:53.31 | b0z0killer | mandrigal: it is |
| 08:53.39 | ian_ | DawnLight: but if etch doesnt have a version of xfce that has real transparency, then it will be all for not |
| 08:53.51 | Wyzard | ian_: Highlight one of the packages marked for removal and it'll show you some dependency info in the bottom pane |
| 08:54.00 | haier | have somebody used the ltsp server ? |
| 08:54.06 | glguy | Is it necessary to write random data to a fresh harddrive when installing an encrypted partition? (would a sea of zeros make it more vulnerable?) |
| 08:54.13 | ma3x | how can i check my cpu temperature? i got this yacpi, but it always shows 75 which is not correct |
| 08:54.14 | Guerin | glguy: no. |
| 08:54.17 | ian_ | Wyzard: highlight? |
| 08:54.17 | moshii | Wyzard: there were a bunch of leaves with nicks similar to his |
| 08:54.26 | Guerin | glguy: encrypted is encrypted |
| 08:54.28 | Wyzard | glguy: not "necessary", but not a bad idea |
| 08:54.41 | Eulex | ian_, etch and sid have the same version of xfce |
| 08:54.44 | glguy | I'm just watching my drive slowly be erased |
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| 08:54.46 | Wyzard | glguy: Naturally you'd write the zeros to the encrypted device, not the underlying plaintext device |
| 08:54.50 | glguy | wondering if it is necessary |
| 08:55.09 | glguy | since I don't have sensitive data there yet |
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| 08:55.32 | ian_ | Eulex: arg. is there a way to downgrade :x |
| 08:55.35 | moshii | glguy: if the bare drive is zerod you'll be able to see exactly where the data is |
| 08:55.41 | Eulex | ian_, no |
| 08:55.43 | Wyzard | glguy: Right, but if you have patterns that are recognizable as being unencrypted leftover old contents, an attacker can tell that you've never written anything to that part of your encrypted disk |
| 08:55.44 | ian_ | -cries- |
| 08:56.00 | glguy | Yeah, that's what I was checking on |
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| 08:56.04 | moshii | glguy: which might not be an issue, but you should really fill it with junk |
| 08:56.13 | glguy | I'm just impatient :) |
| 08:56.21 | mandrigal | anyone know what the default block size is on a ext3 fs made by gparted |
| 08:56.39 | ian_ | Eulex: i guess im reformatting again then |
| 08:57.04 | Wyzard | ian_: Yes, highlight... in aptitude's interactive mode, where you can browse through packages with the arrow keys |
| 08:57.18 | moshii | glguy: cat'in /dev/random to it may take a while |
| 08:57.27 | glguy | yup :) |
| 08:57.44 | Wyzard | glguy: You'd use urandom, not random, or it'll take ages |
| 08:57.45 | moshii | glguy: and depending on what source it's using it might not be all that random |
| 08:57.54 | glguy | Wyzard: I'm using the boot cd |
| 08:58.02 | glguy | Wyzard: so its whateer the install method is |
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| 08:58.24 | Wyzard | glguy: but there's the chance that the output of urandom could be distinguished (via statistical analysis) from actual encrypted data |
| 08:58.39 | Wyzard | glguy: so even better would be to zero the encrypted device, so the disk fills up with encrypted zeros |
| 08:58.47 | ma3x | can patches for 2.6.23-rc2 be applied on older kernels? |
| 08:59.21 | Wyzard | ma3x: It's possible, if the patch is small and/or applies to something that hasn't been changed much between versions |
| 08:59.34 | Wyzard | ma3x: but you can't expect it to work in general |
| 08:59.43 | ma3x | Wyzard, I am trying to apply the following patch http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/12/12 to 2.6.18-5 |
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| 08:59.47 | ma3x | or what do you suggest? |
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| 09:00.38 | Wyzard | ma3x: That's not a little tweak or bugfix, that's a merge of a whole new version of the entire Linux ACPI subsystem |
| 09:01.08 | ma3x | Wyzard, so the acpi temperature critical shutdown can't be disabled on 2.6.18-5? |
| 09:01.13 | glguy | Does Debian use the -cvs convention when naming any package that is built from development sources regardless of the vcs used? |
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| 09:01.37 | eth01 | apache2.2.6 has been released? |
| 09:01.37 | Eulex | ma3x, if you merge the patch manually... |
| 09:01.40 | Wyzard | ma3x: no idea |
| 09:02.04 | ma3x | Eulex, how? there is no 'thermal.nocrt' in thermal.c (2.6.18-5) |
| 09:02.06 | moshii | Whats needed to connect to a ciscovpn with one of those RSA securecode fobs? |
| 09:02.07 | Wyzard | ma3x: but a major subsystem merge like that will be very nontrivial to port to a kernel that's five versions back |
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| 09:02.37 | mandrigal | is there anyreason why i would want to change the block size? |
| 09:02.45 | eth01 | howcome debian is still using the old version of apache? |
| 09:02.53 | glguy | apache2 |
| 09:02.58 | Shadur | mandrigal: Generally if you need to ask the question the answer is no. |
| 09:02.58 | Eulex | ma3x, you'd have to adapt it to how that old kernel worked. which would require quite some knowledge. |
| 09:03.07 | Wyzard | eth01: What old version do you mean? |
| 09:03.17 | eth01 | apache have released version 2.2.6 ... |
| 09:03.21 | Eulex | eth01, unstable has 2.2.6 |
| 09:03.22 | glguy | it is in sid |
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| 09:03.43 | ma3x | so then i can't disable the acpi shutdown :( |
| 09:03.47 | eth01 | 2.2.6 is not unstable, it's fixed bugs, etc... i think |
| 09:03.52 | Wyzard | eth01: etch has 2.2.3, which isn't particularly old |
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| 09:04.06 | moshii | eth01: the release cycle doesn't work like that |
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| 09:04.17 | Wyzard | eth01: testing has 2.2.4, and unstable has 2.2.6 |
| 09:04.20 | eth01 | unless I were to compile it myself, which is a bad idea. |
| 09:04.34 | Eulex | !tell eth01 about simple sid backport |
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| 09:04.54 | Wyzard | eth01: A package being in unstable doesn't mean that the program itself is unstable or broken |
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| 09:05.06 | eth01 | ok.. so i'll have to wait for 2.2.6? |
| 09:05.11 | Wyzard | eth01: it means that it hasn't been thoroughly tested and put into a full Debian release yet |
| 09:05.15 | eth01 | i'm running ETCH at the moment. |
| 09:05.23 | Eulex | eth01, etch will never get a newer apache. |
| 09:05.32 | eth01 | why? |
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| 09:05.39 | Wyzard | eth01: When lenny is released, it'll have a newer version of apache, probably 2.2.6 or later |
| 09:05.40 | Eulex | eth01, because it's frozen. |
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| 09:05.55 | Wyzard | eth01: because etch is already released, and now it's stable, which means it doesn't change anymore |
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| 09:06.08 | Wyzard | eth01: It only gets updates to fix security flaws and other such major problems |
| 09:06.12 | eth01 | okay, i'll have a look at SID. |
| 09:06.17 | Guerin | there is no SID |
| 09:06.36 | Wyzard | eth01: sid is the unstable branch, where new packages go to have bugs found so that the bugs don't make it into a stable release |
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| 09:06.44 | moshii | eth01: why do you need a newer version of apache? |
| 09:06.52 | Eulex | eth01, you don't want to run sid if you don't know how to fix debian when it breaks. and you _never_ want to run sid on a server. |
| 09:06.53 | Guerin | and if you install Sid, which does exist, then don't bother asking for help in here |
| 09:07.00 | eth01 | just so I'm able to use some of the new features, etc. |
| 09:07.03 | ma3x | how to apply a patch? |
| 09:07.14 | Eulex | ma3x, man patch |
| 09:07.15 | Guerin | ma3x: follow the sinstructions on the site |
| 09:07.24 | Wyzard | eth01: I doubt there's a significant difference in available features between 2.2.3 and 2.2.6 |
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| 09:07.31 | moshii | eth01: do you need those features? is it really worth the pain? |
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| 09:08.16 | ma3x | let's say this patch http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org/msg08742.html do I copy paste the info starting bellow --- into a file.patch? |
| 09:08.19 | eth01 | well I just can't believe that it's so trivial to use 2.2.6 |
| 09:08.31 | eth01 | but I guess i'll just have to use 2.2 |
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| 09:08.42 | Eulex | eth01, etch has 2.2.3 |
| 09:08.51 | glguy | trivial? |
| 09:08.53 | Wyzard | eth01: The point of a stable release is that it *doesn't change*, except where absolutely necessary (i.e. security fixes) |
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| 09:09.03 | moshii | glguy: you can run a newer kernel that supports your hardware with stable |
| 09:09.08 | eth01 | yah. |
| 09:09.15 | glguy | moshii: its not the kernel, but xorg stuff |
| 09:09.29 | Eulex | eth01, also, if you really need 2.2.6, compile it manually, or do a 'simple sid backport' (as dpkg told you about) |
| 09:09.39 | moshii | glguy: ah, thats a bit diffferent then.. things are getting better with x though |
| 09:09.49 | Wyzard | eth01: You're probably thinking it'd be no big deal to put 2.2.6 into etch, but new versions of programs can introduce new bugs and behavioral changes, which can break existing setups |
| 09:10.04 | glguy | moshii: I've got one of those lousy intel video cards whose drivers are in active development |
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| 09:10.32 | Wyzard | eth01: The idea is that even if a program in a stable release is an older version with some known bugs that you've encountered, you can work around the bugs and trust that your workarounds will keep working |
| 09:10.38 | moshii | glguy: me too, testing is fine for me |
| 09:10.58 | glguy | moshii: does that give you xrandr 1.2 support? |
| 09:11.19 | Wyzard | eth01: Putting in newer versions just because they're newer would mean a risk of breaking your existing setup |
| 09:11.32 | moshii | glguy: i think so, i used xrandr for multihead not long ago |
| 09:11.48 | moshii | glguy: actually, that worked 2 or 3 months ago |
| 09:11.52 | glguy | moshii: could you tell me what xrandr --version says? |
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| 09:12.09 | glguy | (it should be a server reported version) |
| 09:12.12 | moshii | glguy: not at the moment as i'm not on that machine |
| 09:12.15 | glguy | oh, ok |
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| 09:12.51 | glguy | its pretty cool that you can finally plug a projector into your laptop for a presentation without having to restart X now |
| 09:12.56 | moshii | glguy: ximerama is broken though, so you have to use xrandr to get multihead with the intel driver now |
| 09:13.00 | glguy | long overdue, but nice nonetheles |
| 09:13.13 | dutchfish | i think more and more people using testing and do less on bug reporting, this effects speed posititvely of new developments but has a drawback in quality of table, look at the rc bugs graph |
| 09:13.36 | moshii | glguy: i found that if i didnt have the other display at least plugged on on starting x xrandr didn't work 100%.. so YMMV |
| 09:13.55 | glguy | moshii: its worked wonderfully in ArchLinux with the versions I'm hoping to use |
| 09:14.03 | glguy | but I've had other issues that have brought me here :) |
| 09:15.10 | moshii | glguy: the xorg packages in testing are probably the same as those in unstable at the moment |
| 09:15.18 | glguy | close |
| 09:15.21 | glguy | 7.2 vs 7.3 |
| 09:15.37 | glguy | the intel driver is newer also |
| 09:15.42 | glguy | by a minor number |
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| 09:16.39 | moshii | glguy: you could run testing with unstable pinned |
| 09:17.10 | jelly-home | glguy: yeah, they've added run-time detection of output in 7.3 |
| 09:17.42 | ma3x | where can I get the source for 2.6.23-rc2? |
| 09:17.52 | jelly-home | ma3x: kernel.org? |
| 09:17.54 | streuner | kernel.org? |
| 09:17.55 | valdyn | ma3x: why the hell? |
| 09:17.57 | streuner | !kernel |
| 09:17.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.9, prepatch: 2.6.23-rc8, snapshot: 2.6.23-rc8-git3, 2.4: 2.4.35.3, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-rc8-mm2 |
| 09:18.09 | valdyn | ma3x: 1) 2.6.23-rc8 is the latest, 2) why run it? |
| 09:18.36 | ma3x | valdyn, i got acpi patch which i can only apply to 2.6.23-rc2. |
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| 09:18.54 | ma3x | namely http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/12/12 |
| 09:19.10 | valdyn | ma3x: that's most likely already in mainline |
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| 09:19.23 | valdyn | ma3x: in 2.6.23-rc8 |
| 09:19.25 | ma3x | valdyn, you mean already applied in the newer version of the kernel? |
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| 09:19.46 | valdyn | ma3x: sure |
| 09:19.59 | jelly-home | ma3x: if you're going with a snapshot kernel, probably better to use the latest. Check the code to see if something like your changes is already present |
| 09:20.00 | ma3x | why I can't find a package on backports? |
| 09:20.13 | ma3x | the latest is 2.6.22-2 |
| 09:20.27 | valdyn | ma3x: its a development kernel, rc means that its not for endusers |
| 09:20.37 | valdyn | ma3x: actually not linus kernel is for endusers, use a debian kernel |
| 09:20.48 | ma3x | valdyn, from where? |
| 09:21.00 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.17 | capiira | is a debian kernel so different ? |
| 09:21.25 | SpeedyG | rc == release candidate means not really released for stable use, but for dev (right??) |
| 09:21.30 | valdyn | capiira: no, but it's tested thorougly |
| 09:21.40 | capiira | :D i would trust linus too |
| 09:21.42 | capiira | hehe |
| 09:21.48 | capiira | he codes it |
| 09:21.52 | jelly-home | capiira: 2.6 series kernels are not noted for stability, almost every release has a good number of regressions |
| 09:21.56 | valdyn | capiira: rcX kernels are not fit for release or linus would not tag it rc |
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| 09:22.04 | valdyn | capiira: trust HIM |
| 09:22.04 | capiira | yeah |
| 09:22.04 | ma3x | valdyn, you think this stuff is already applied in 2.6.22-2 ? |
| 09:22.10 | valdyn | ma3x: no |
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| 09:22.31 | joneskoo_ | can I fit debian in 128 MB? |
| 09:22.47 | valdyn | capiira: he doesnt code it, and he also sais that its up to distro to ship user kernels, not up to him |
| 09:22.54 | joneskoo_ | 128M flash 128M RAM, madwifi as an access point |
| 09:22.55 | ma3x | valdyn, do I compile the newest kernel then? |
| 09:22.56 | moshii | capiira: linus is basically patch manager now isn't he? |
| 09:22.57 | rahul | it's all julia's fault |
| 09:23.05 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, depends on what you want to run |
| 09:23.06 | capiira | ahh ok :D |
| 09:23.26 | capiira | but i think sometimes he codes too :) for the heart |
| 09:23.30 | capiira | :D |
| 09:23.33 | xtor_ | If I have debian sarge on my box, instead of debian etch...are there any .deb packaged for lighty? Or...am I safe using the etch 4.0 .deb for lighty on my sarge box? |
| 09:23.40 | joneskoo_ | I think wireless stuff is pretty minimal, but still just the base install for etch is so big I don't think it fits in 128M |
| 09:23.48 | Guerin | xtor_: what the fuck is lighty? |
| 09:23.56 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, a base install can be fit thourgh a root squash in as small as 80mb |
| 09:23.59 | capiira | anyway i can't wait to test the new scheduler |
| 09:24.02 | moshii | Guerin: lighttpd |
| 09:24.04 | xtor_ | lighttpd the web server, Guerin |
| 09:24.07 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: that's still quite big |
| 09:24.12 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:24.13 | rahul | I'll show you my kernel |
| 09:24.14 | jelly-home | joneskoo_: first thing to cut would be using a custom kernel, and not the distribution one |
| 09:24.15 | rahul | oh wait |
| 09:24.23 | Guerin | i thought it was the newest ubuntu or something? |
| 09:24.27 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, it depends on what you want |
| 09:24.32 | rahul | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 09:24.32 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:24.41 | rahul | NO UBUNTU |
| 09:24.56 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: not much - I'd hope to get package updates from debian pool so I wouldn't have to compile everything myself - especially not track everything |
| 09:25.02 | Guerin | NOES |
| 09:25.19 | joneskoo_ | basically stuff like bridge utilities and wireless utilities + busybox I think |
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| 09:25.55 | joneskoo_ | what makes debian eat so much space in the minimal install? |
| 09:25.55 | Guerin | peterS: dondelelcaro: make Wyzard an op |
| 09:26.07 | joneskoo_ | is there uclibc-variant of debian? |
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| 09:26.18 | rahul | I'll eat you |
| 09:26.19 | rahul | erm |
| 09:26.20 | joneskoo_ | perhaps something based on debian built on uclibc |
| 09:26.21 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, just try it out on an already installed debian system and chroot use debootstrap |
| 09:26.23 | rahul | wait, you're not julia |
| 09:26.25 | moshii | joneskoo_: i think there was an attempt |
| 09:26.25 | Guerin | peterS: dondelelcaro: otherwise there's a fucking power vacuum when you're off having lives. |
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| 09:26.51 | valdyn | joneskoo_: it ships about all drivers in the kernel, thats ~65MB |
| 09:26.52 | rahul | everyone has been commenting on that night |
| 09:26.59 | hoxu | !topicsmite rahul |
| 09:26.59 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rahul. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:27.08 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: ok. I guess it's a good idea to play with NFS-root or chroot anyways so I can temporarily go over 128M |
| 09:27.16 | rahul | !penixstrike hoxu |
| 09:27.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking hoxu to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:27.22 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: oh. how much can I avoid with a custom kernel? |
| 09:27.27 | streuner | !tell Guerin about debstats |
| 09:27.33 | valdyn | joneskoo_: maybe 60 |
| 09:27.33 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, or take a look at live-helper (create your own live debian) for usb stick or cd boot |
| 09:27.48 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: that sounds like a good idea, thanks |
| 09:27.51 | valdyn | joneskoo_: just guessing, i can hardly know which hardware you need supported .. |
| 09:27.54 | Guerin | streuner: i am familiar with debstats. Why do I care? |
| 09:28.03 | rahul | !tell streuner about penixstats |
| 09:28.07 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: x86, madwifi wlan card. just basic stuff |
| 09:28.15 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, live-helper is curently in lenny is remarkable stable |
| 09:28.21 | joneskoo_ | what's lenny |
| 09:28.28 | joneskoo_ | after etch? |
| 09:28.29 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, it can produce etch live systems very well |
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| 09:28.59 | dutchfish | !lenny |
| 09:29.00 | dpkg | [lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 09:29.03 | streuner | Guerin: if you would count on that, there would be 5 persons before :-) |
| 09:29.10 | rahul | lemmmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:29.25 | Guerin | streuner: if quantity mattered more than quality I would have been an op since some time in 2004 |
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| 09:29.52 | rahul | hrm, where's my ROARfiend. |
| 09:29.55 | rahul | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAR |
| 09:30.00 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: so I need to take a lenny/sid install and use the live-helper from there? |
| 09:30.17 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, even better: use your live systems with pxe boot it wins hands down from every other boot |
| 09:30.36 | Guerin | anyway ... abrotman would be power-crazed ... geo-rge is a newb ... jetscreamer just stupid and liable is a queenslander |
| 09:30.41 | Guerin | oh, wols is a newb too |
| 09:30.45 | streuner | Guerin: there is only one person who *rule* the stats... |
| 09:30.48 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, yes |
| 09:31.16 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:31.17 | streuner | Guerin: but you know dondelelcaro's opinion about... |
| 09:31.22 | rahul | AND I AM A ME |
| 09:31.33 | Guerin | rahul: and that's all you'll ever be! |
| 09:31.35 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: hmh. it would require more assumptions from the network if I booted with pxe - wouldn't be so much a self-sufficient access point |
| 09:31.38 | rahul | YES |
| 09:31.40 | streuner | Guerin: ...there is always !op foo available.... |
| 09:31.50 | ma3x | is 'kp' the easiest way to build kernel ? |
| 09:31.52 | joneskoo_ | also it's only 300 MHz so it's not very fast |
| 09:32.04 | Guerin | ma3x: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 09:32.10 | jelly-home | joneskoo_: which arch? |
| 09:32.18 | joneskoo_ | x86 NSC Geode |
| 09:32.23 | rahul | grr they all want me |
| 09:32.27 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, setting up a PXE and run it from tftp takes only 30 minutes to setup |
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| 09:32.29 | jelly-home | so i386. |
| 09:32.40 | joneskoo_ | jelly-home: yes. |
| 09:32.56 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: initrd-based image or NFS-root? |
| 09:33.20 | ma3x | Guerin, what about oldconfig, or should I just copy it from /boot to the source tree? |
| 09:33.24 | jelly-home | joneskoo_: meaning you can trim the image in the chroot until you get it just right |
| 09:33.36 | Guerin | ma3x: copy is your friend. |
| 09:33.51 | joneskoo_ | jelly-home: true. |
| 09:34.02 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, none if you want, just config your dhcp server, install a nfs export dir, create a .img for net boot and fire off and test all your client pc's |
| 09:34.52 | ma3x | should the filename be .config or config? |
| 09:35.03 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, live-helper will be a great uhh... help |
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| 09:35.23 | ameyer | why's it so reasonably quiet in here all of a sudden? |
| 09:35.38 | moshii | dinner time? |
| 09:35.43 | ameyer | I assume "the man" dealt with a few issues? |
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| 09:35.59 | DawnLight | i guess you havn't noticed the sleeping monster |
| 09:36.17 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: ok. just need lenny to get live-helper then I guess |
| 09:36.17 | ameyer | ahh, sleeping, you say |
| 09:36.22 | ameyer | gotcha |
| 09:36.52 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, or run a lenny through qemu |
| 09:37.01 | joneskoo_ | or parallels |
| 09:37.09 | elenril | there's no nvidia-glx in lenny? |
| 09:37.09 | dutchfish | yup |
| 09:37.23 | ameyer | !nvidia |
| 09:37.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 09:37.43 | elenril | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-glx&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 09:37.52 | DawnLight | whats the best game in debian? |
| 09:38.11 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, you even can test your images in qemu before deploy them |
| 09:38.13 | capiira | the shell |
| 09:38.28 | elenril | DawnLight, upgrading sarge to sid :) |
| 09:38.33 | capiira | lol |
| 09:38.35 | DawnLight | !~Ginterface::text-mode |
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| 09:39.54 | DawnLight | elenril: that sounds like fun. perhaps i'll play that in vmware |
| 09:40.16 | joneskoo_ | what's your preferred way of installing debian (lenny)? I've installed my debians with a "netboot" mini.iso since it's the smallest download |
| 09:40.16 | capiira | or "r*censured* -Rvf *censured*" :D funny to watch matrix appears in terminal :D |
| 09:40.55 | DawnLight | joneskoo_: i download the three dvds via bittorrent |
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| 09:40.57 | capiira | o |
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| 09:41.38 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, netboot or debootstrap in a chrooted envirenment for this purpose |
| 09:41.55 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: hmh. interesting idea |
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| 09:42.02 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, sorry for my typos |
| 09:42.03 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: chrooted lenny inside an etch? |
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| 09:42.10 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, sure |
| 09:42.49 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, i dont know if backports already has live-helper, otherwise you could try that |
| 09:42.58 | joneskoo_ | lenny mini.iso mentions it was built on 20070308etch1 |
| 09:43.33 | joneskoo_ | d-i version? |
| 09:44.57 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, or install your pxe boot envirenment, install etch in the nfs export dir and pXE boot your system to create the etch images in lenny |
| 09:46.03 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: I need a lenny installed for that first, right? |
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| 09:46.45 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, as far as i know (curently) yes but as i said that can change when backports.org will support it. Then you could use it in etch |
| 09:47.12 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, after all debian-helper are only scripts! |
| 09:47.44 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, sorry i meant live-helper |
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| 09:48.26 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, there is even support for sid |
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| 09:48.42 | joneskoo_ | ok. but I think I'll try live-helper from lenny which I'm now installing on parallels |
| 09:48.51 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, yes |
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| 09:49.21 | joneskoo_ | then use that image as a base and perhaps customize further. I don't know yet what l-h can do so I don't know how much I have to fine-tune it afterwards |
| 09:50.01 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, thats the beaty of it, you can start simple a build your own distro step by step without ever messing with your already installed systems |
| 09:50.26 | mortal_ | hi joneskoo_ |
| 09:50.28 | mortal_ | what's up |
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| 09:50.49 | joneskoo_ | mortal_: I'm trying to build a 5 GHz access point from a thin client since 2.4 GHz is so full it's limiting my WLAN performance |
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| 09:51.09 | AntoineDoinel | hi |
| 09:51.09 | joneskoo_ | 802.11a |
| 09:51.20 | AntoineDoinel | what's the command to check the debian's version installed? |
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| 09:51.27 | roland | hello |
| 09:51.29 | mortal_ | joneskoo_: okies |
| 09:51.34 | joneskoo_ | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:51.49 | AntoineDoinel | thank you very much :) |
| 09:52.05 | valdyn | AntoineDoinel: ^^ though its easy enough to fuck up your install in ways that that file means about nothing |
| 09:52.05 | mortal_ | joneskoo_: where is your qth? |
| 09:52.09 | joneskoo_ | mortal_: 802.11a first because I can do it for free now - and it's more fun. |
| 09:52.10 | mortal_ | if 2.4 GHz is really so full |
| 09:52.18 | joneskoo_ | mortal_: Kaijonharju, Oulu. 500m from the university |
| 09:52.22 | mortal_ | ic |
| 09:52.26 | roland | i have debian 4 , and 2 hard drives each of 1 TB size (SATA II) , i need to make RAID 1 for the drives, i selected at install partition type software raid on what partitions i need for raid, but thats all ? no formatting, no mountpoint, no raid level ? |
| 09:52.26 | joneskoo_ | there are 10 SSIDs on 2.4 GHz |
| 09:52.29 | valdyn | AntoineDoinel: 'dpkg -l libc6' means alot more |
| 09:52.32 | AntoineDoinel | and the cmd to check if i'm using sid or etch or another |
| 09:52.34 | joneskoo_ | visible that is |
| 09:52.36 | AntoineDoinel | oh! thanks! :D |
| 09:53.05 | mortal_ | joneskoo_: there is only one at my qth |
| 09:53.06 | mortal_ | other than mine |
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| 09:53.16 | mortal_ | I love my wl-500gP box :> |
| 09:53.26 | xtor_ | http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x37/weblazer/logocollection.gif <--- What package was this kid using to make these logos? |
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| 09:53.36 | valdyn | roland: you dont really need a partition type either, unless you want to use the deprecated method of letting the kernels itself autostart the raid |
| 09:53.57 | joneskoo_ | mortal_: http://pastie.caboo.se/101950.txt?key=s9diut2okonor8i2jtkbq |
| 09:54.21 | mortal_ | any open ones? |
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| 09:54.34 | dutchfish | mortal_, gimp? |
| 09:54.57 | joneskoo_ | mortal_: I don't think so. Wippies you probably know already |
| 09:54.57 | AntoineDoinel | see ya |
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| 09:55.19 | roland | valdyn : i dont understand. in fedora theres need to specify raid level , raid members (partitions) and fs type for the raid array and mount point.. where is all this in debian ? how do i know raid works ? how do i format and set mountpoint for the software raid array ? |
| 09:55.32 | mortal_ | joneskoo_: it's cool to run kismet on wl-500gP and log the stuff on an usb stick |
| 09:55.36 | mortal_ | :> |
| 09:55.48 | valdyn | roland: cant boot linux from any software raid but raid 1 |
| 09:55.52 | mortal_ | if I really wanted I could do some car setup for serious wardriving with it |
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| 09:55.59 | valdyn | roland: i dont know how exactly the installer works that out |
| 09:56.02 | roland | and raid array is raid 1 |
| 09:56.33 | roland | d |
| 09:56.42 | roland | boot partition is outside of raid array |
| 09:56.48 | roland | so no problem |
| 09:56.53 | valdyn | roland: right |
| 09:57.01 | roland | and the root filesystem too |
| 09:57.12 | roland | now how do i know how to setup the raid ? |
| 09:57.23 | joneskoo_ | mortal_: the EVO T30 thin client I'm going to use for the access point project is 300 MHz Geode (x86) with 128M flash,128M RAM. the flash is ATA-based so it's simple to set up Linux on |
| 09:57.24 | roland | the installer is not talky at all |
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| 09:57.44 | joneskoo_ | mortal_: it has serial, parallel, USB, PS/2, audio, 100M ethernet etc. :) |
| 09:57.46 | joneskoo_ | and a PC card slot |
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| 09:58.02 | valdyn | roland: true, it will get to formatting later |
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| 09:58.28 | valdyn | roland: you can just proceed normally and revert steps as you see fit |
| 09:58.31 | rootmos | roland: in the partioner first you need to choose the harddrive and there make a software raidpartition |
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| 09:58.50 | dutchfish | roland, http://www.planamente.ch/emidio/pages/linux_howto_root_lvm_raid_etch.php |
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| 09:59.23 | rootmos | roland: and after that you can format and so on |
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| 10:00.03 | mortal_ | nice one |
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| 10:01.33 | pazifi | hi zusammen |
| 10:01.33 | Shadur | Hmm. I've got an nvidia geforce card with two ports, and two LCD monitors. I can use the TwinView extensions to stretch my fvwm2 desktop over both of them, but that screws up most of its controls and looks ugly. Is there a way to use Xinerama and make both windows act as separate virtual desktops? |
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| 10:01.51 | valdyn | Shadur: its either or |
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| 10:02.05 | valdyn | Shadur: the purpose of Xinerama is to make 1 Desktop span multiple screens |
| 10:02.10 | valdyn | Shadur: the purpose of Xinerama is to make 1 Desktop span multiple physical displays |
| 10:02.29 | valdyn | Shadur: WITHOUT xinerama you can have multiple independent X screens |
| 10:02.34 | [Nige] | does anyone have an APC backups 6000 ? |
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| 10:02.41 | roland | rootmos : Where i can format? i cant in the installer.. i alreaady selected member partitions (2) for a software raid array, |
| 10:02.43 | roland | after i boot ? |
| 10:03.03 | dutchfish | [Nige], yes |
| 10:03.21 | [Nige] | dutchfish, do you have wire diagram for the serial cable? |
| 10:03.38 | valdyn | Shadur: now, without Xinerama you cannot just migrate windows between those 2 screens |
| 10:03.40 | [Nige] | I remember reading aback along time ago that a standard straight through serial cabl doesnt work |
| 10:03.49 | dutchfish | [Nige], google it: apc ups cable layout |
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| 10:04.12 | [Nige] | dutchfish, is it the same for all of them? |
| 10:04.25 | dutchfish | NigelS, for smart cable, yes |
| 10:04.55 | [Nige] | thats so the ups can send down its shutdown signal |
| 10:05.15 | dutchfish | NigelS, only on a smart cable, yes |
| 10:05.30 | rootmos | roland: hmm that is strange do you see your disks? |
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| 10:05.41 | valdyn | Shadur: issues you are having seem to be (mis)configuration of your window manager, not a Xinerama thing ( i don't know fvwm2 well, it should support dual head setups pretty well though ) |
| 10:05.51 | dutchfish | NigelS, use apcupsd and stuff to control |
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| 10:07.01 | DawnLight | Shadur: i am using geforce 7600gt with twinview. want my xorg.conf? |
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| 10:10.01 | dutchfish | i am looking for < 10 watt ITC to run debian etch on it, is there anyone that has succesfully done this already? |
| 10:10.24 | Shadur | DawnLight: Sure. |
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| 10:11.07 | Shadur | valdyn: I've got fvwm-crystal to be precise. And yeah, I'm guessing I configured something wrong, but I'm at a loss to figure out where. |
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| 10:13.42 | HardDisk_WP | can I somehow find out the FSB rate of my system? |
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| 10:14.21 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: documentation of your CPU |
| 10:14.40 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, bios maybe? |
| 10:14.54 | HardDisk_WP | dont have it anymore and not really in favour of rebooting now |
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| 10:15.04 | HardDisk_WP | any way that this is documented in /proc? |
| 10:15.26 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: cpus are documented on the intarweb |
| 10:15.42 | HardDisk_WP | i dont know what cpu i have thats the problem^^ |
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| 10:15.49 | HardDisk_WP | i only know it's a AMD |
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| 10:15.53 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that's in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:16.04 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 10:16.12 | HardDisk_WP | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD,cpu family : 6,model : 10,model name : AMD Athlon(tm) |
| 10:16.34 | HardDisk_WP | but i cant find the name of the processor :( any ideas? |
| 10:16.39 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: pastebin all of it please |
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| 10:16.48 | wols_ | also use dmidecode |
| 10:17.04 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.ca/719476 |
| 10:17.39 | wols_ | and lspci -n for good measure |
| 10:18.01 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.01 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.03 | HardDisk_WP | ?! |
| 10:18.08 | HardDisk_WP | what can cause that? |
| 10:18.15 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: your system is broken or misconfigured |
| 10:18.26 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: cpu frequency scaling is good |
| 10:18.34 | wols_ | a FSB which is set at 100MHz instead of 133 or 166 |
| 10:18.36 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: as long as it will go to max speed when needed |
| 10:18.56 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: this is a desktop or notebook? |
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| 10:19.06 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, desktop...two weeks ago I did a BIOS reset |
| 10:19.15 | HardDisk_WP | but I am sure I did not overclock my system before the reset |
| 10:19.24 | HardDisk_WP | dmidecode is http://pastebin.ca/719477 |
| 10:19.40 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: ITC? |
| 10:19.55 | HardDisk_WP | and "external clock" is FSB? |
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| 10:20.11 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: you have a Barton XP3200. that means you need to set a FSB of 200 instead of the 100 you have right no in BIOS |
| 10:20.23 | wols_ | doh. or was it 166. lemme check |
| 10:20.31 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 10:21.04 | wols_ | when you reset BIOS, it sets the FSB to lowest it supports in case you have a low DUron or such which wouldn't boot with the higher FSB |
| 10:21.44 | HardDisk_WP | aah |
| 10:21.59 | HardDisk_WP | I should set FSB to 166 then? |
| 10:22.00 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, http://3logic.ru/?A=5&SI=1&I=17404 it can save energy with cpu-freq-tools down to 10watt idle |
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| 10:23.10 | thrall | Having some trouble with cryptsetup. Is debians cryptsetup broken or something? |
| 10:24.14 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: 166 or 200. |
| 10:24.26 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: install cpuburn, run it and check your procinfo again |
| 10:24.38 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, and its cheap |
| 10:25.08 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, oops...I think I'll stay at 166mhz FSB |
| 10:25.17 | thrall | http://pastebin.com/m319175ae <- these are the errors I get. |
| 10:25.46 | DawnLight | Shadur: http://paste.debian.net/38337 |
| 10:26.31 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: do you know what kind of CPU you have? |
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| 10:26.43 | HardDisk_WP | wols no |
| 10:26.46 | wols_ | ie athlon XP3200 perhaps or something else? |
| 10:26.49 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 10:27.30 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, it doesnt need to be this model, but 10 watt is critical for my purpose, a single low voltage power supply would be prefferable |
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| 10:29.29 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: yes, stay with 166 (or 333 depending how the bios shows it) |
| 10:29.39 | TrueDD | Salut ŕ tous |
| 10:29.47 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 10:29.52 | wols_ | only barton with a 13x multiplier seems to be the 3000 model whihc runs at 166 |
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| 10:30.07 | wols_ | then you should run at 2167MHz |
| 10:30.45 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: ok. |
| 10:30.58 | DustyDingo | hm, what would be a good methode to add a ssh key to the ssh-agent before the window manager starts? |
| 10:31.12 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: the device I'm building on is 12 volts, I think the power supply is max. 2A but I doubt it takes even close to that idle |
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| 10:31.43 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, thats around ~24 watt, still too much |
| 10:31.54 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: that's power supply, I don't know about real usage |
| 10:32.13 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: haven't measured it actually |
| 10:32.15 | joneskoo_ | I could |
| 10:32.23 | DustyDingo | the problem with my current setupt is, that i add a key to the agent, after the windowmanager is started |
| 10:32.36 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, i know the latest via C7 can do this, but i cant find appropriate boards or thin clients yet |
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| 10:32.53 | DustyDingo | but i want to start automaticly some ssh sessions in terminals and when i add the key too late that fails |
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| 10:33.27 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, for my purpose i only need headless systems, they need to have a serial or usb for the interface i am measuring |
| 10:33.37 | glguy | I noticed that Debian doesn't use a wheel group to regulate the use of su(1), has that always been the case? (just curious about history, not changing it) |
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| 10:33.46 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: you need a fast CPU? |
| 10:33.48 | valdyn | !wheel |
| 10:33.48 | dpkg | from memory, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
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| 10:34.09 | glguy | thanks |
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| 10:34.33 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, no, i even run it now at a M6510 at 250 khz, that would be mre then enough |
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| 10:35.18 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, it only cllects datasamples at a rate of 100Hz |
| 10:35.19 | thrall | So is there noone who uses dmcrypt in here? |
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| 10:36.03 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, but i want a solution with debian etch, so its more easy to setup then coding in ASM |
| 10:36.11 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: hah, only 500 mA power up |
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| 10:36.32 | joneskoo_ | I'm surprised myself |
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| 10:36.36 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, wuch device? |
| 10:37.26 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, via C7 runs at 0,8 watt half iddle |
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| 10:38.14 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, its all the snick snacks on most of the mainboards that spoils it |
| 10:39.03 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: Compaq EVO T30 thin client |
| 10:39.32 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, i looked at it, but apprently its 40 watt idle according to my college |
| 10:39.38 | joneskoo_ | hmh |
| 10:39.41 | joneskoo_ | I'll measure |
| 10:39.51 | joneskoo_ | 12.3V / 430 mA while booting the firmware, 417 mA powered off |
| 10:39.53 | geo-rge | some low-powered amd64x2s run at 85 watts |
| 10:40.44 | dutchfish | i need < 10 watt |
| 10:40.44 | joneskoo_ | seems to be running around 400 mA even while powered on |
| 10:40.44 | joneskoo_ | now 450 |
| 10:40.44 | dutchfish | yup |
| 10:40.44 | joneskoo_ | which is like 6 watts |
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| 10:41.06 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, 400 milliamps at what voltage? |
| 10:41.09 | joneskoo_ | 12.3V |
| 10:41.21 | dutchfish | sounds good |
| 10:41.32 | joneskoo_ | this is a 300 MHz Compaq EVO T30 |
| 10:41.36 | joneskoo_ | with nothing connected |
| 10:41.40 | joneskoo_ | I'll try an USB keyboard :) |
| 10:41.53 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, i dont need keboard, but i do need lan |
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| 10:42.09 | joneskoo_ | it does have LAN but I don't know yet how much it'll draw power |
| 10:42.26 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, normally around 40 - 60 ma |
| 10:42.32 | xingu | best five quid ever spent; finally got a passive svhs->composite coupler, so I can run rss screensavers on my tv :) |
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| 10:42.48 | dutchfish | xingu, ;) |
| 10:42.48 | xingu | belting trance, hyperspace, perfect :) |
| 10:43.36 | dutchfish | xingu, can you help me out, i need a SBC with debian etch (headless and lan) that draws top 10 watt iddle |
| 10:43.55 | xingu | dutchfish: not my playground really sorry; gut an nslu2? |
| 10:44.15 | dutchfish | no, sorry |
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| 10:45.26 | dutchfish | xingu, how much does it draw? |
| 10:46.08 | xingu | not a clue |
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| 10:46.21 | xingu | but I'd take a guess <10W |
| 10:46.27 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, k |
| 10:46.27 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: whoa. |
| 10:46.34 | xingu | xscale are supposed to be pretty thrifty |
| 10:46.38 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: 482 mA while yes>/dev/null |
| 10:46.44 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, it draws 13 watt |
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| 10:46.49 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: hmh? |
| 10:47.08 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, the nslu2 |
| 10:47.18 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: but it had a fast CPU, right? |
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| 10:47.24 | dutchfish | joneskoo_, right |
| 10:47.26 | joneskoo_ | this is pretty weak |
| 10:47.36 | joneskoo_ | still, this should be pretty useful for lots of different things |
| 10:47.46 | dutchfish | i reccen |
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| 10:48.18 | dutchfish | how much does it cost, the EVO? |
| 10:48.54 | joneskoo_ | I got mine free |
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| 10:49.11 | dutchfish | lucky b |
| 10:49.17 | joneskoo_ | true. |
| 10:49.40 | joneskoo_ | a couple of T20s as well which have 256M/256M which run XP embedded |
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| 10:49.58 | dutchfish | well, i gone delve into this further, but i hope there will be some new via C7 coming soon as devices |
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| 10:50.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: http://www.soekris.com/products.htm |
| 10:50.22 | dutchfish | wols_, thx |
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| 10:50.32 | wols_ | dutchfish: not cheap tho |
| 10:50.34 | joneskoo_ | dutchfish: an organization decided these are too slow/something like that and recycling costs money.. |
| 10:51.53 | dutchfish | wols_, http://www.soekris.com/net4826.htm looks nice only 12 watt |
| 10:52.42 | wols_ | dutchfish: an ARM based board should work too |
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| 10:52.52 | dutchfish | wols_, yes |
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| 10:53.14 | xingu | some things just look great at 640x480 with .35mm dot pitch :) |
| 10:53.20 | yggdrasil | hello, how can i monitor the speed that my laptop cpu is running at. tail -f /proc /??? |
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| 10:53.35 | joneskoo_ | watch -n1 cat ... |
| 10:53.49 | xingu | yggdrasil: cpufreq-info ? |
| 10:53.54 | yggdrasil | yes |
| 10:54.01 | yggdrasil | ls |
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| 10:54.36 | Eulex | yggdrasil, cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 10:55.00 | yggdrasil | oh |
| 10:55.00 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 10:55.06 | yggdrasil | hold on, let me see |
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| 10:57.58 | yggdrasil | well im trying to monitor when it switches from 700 to 1300 mhz. |
| 10:57.59 | yoshx | hello |
| 10:58.11 | yggdrasil | is ther any way to monitor that from the cmd line ? |
| 10:58.30 | joneskoo_ | watch -n 1 cat /proc/cpuinfo does it every 1 s |
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| 10:59.30 | yggdrasil | oh that works honeskoo |
| 10:59.31 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 11:00.19 | yggdrasil | is there a way to grep just the mhz ? |
| 11:00.59 | Eulex | | grep MHz? |
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| 11:01.03 | ma3x | when i custom compile rc kernel, are the headers included? |
| 11:01.30 | wols_ | no |
| 11:01.38 | wols_ | make-kpkg --targets |
| 11:01.39 | jetx | well the source works |
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| 11:01.56 | jetx | but if you delete it or different machine, what he said |
| 11:01.59 | valdyn | that's a totally weird question |
| 11:02.16 | wols_ | valdyn: you have to take into account who poses it |
| 11:02.24 | valdyn | wols_: right! |
| 11:02.27 | ameyer | oh god... cnn fails... "And on her myspace Web site page" |
| 11:02.33 | jetx | but if you have the source you compiled from, debian just finds what it needs, for me |
| 11:03.05 | yggdrasil | no grep MHz doenst do it |
| 11:03.18 | valdyn | yggdrasil: do you understand what grep does? |
| 11:03.33 | yggdrasil | kinda of |
| 11:03.56 | valdyn | yggdrasil: what's the command you use? |
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| 11:04.25 | yggdrasil | watch -n 1 cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz |
| 11:04.51 | yggdrasil | - the extra space in there |
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| 11:05.28 | valdyn | yggdrasil: ` watch -n 1 "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" ` |
| 11:05.53 | yggdrasil | ahhh |
| 11:05.56 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 11:06.01 | yggdrasil | you are smart |
| 11:06.04 | jetx | ` ? |
| 11:06.05 | yggdrasil | i learn |
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| 11:06.28 | yggdrasil | watch -n 1 "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" ` |
| 11:06.41 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.52 | yggdrasil | thank you guys |
| 11:07.28 | yggdrasil | the fan on my laptop is out , so i monitor the temp and the mhz its running at , and ive switched into fvwm to keep it running low. |
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| 11:07.44 | jetx | fix the fan |
| 11:07.45 | yggdrasil | is there a way to force it to stay in slow mhz mode ? |
| 11:07.50 | yggdrasil | jetx i agree.. |
| 11:08.02 | yggdrasil | not sure if its the fan thats broken and ive been a bit lazy |
| 11:08.05 | jetx | sure, depending if your hw is supported |
| 11:08.15 | jetx | or your hw supports it rather |
| 11:08.23 | yggdrasil | its a mobile intel intel pII |
| 11:08.28 | yggdrasil | uh pIII |
| 11:08.29 | joneskoo_ | if I want to make as small a kernel as possible and tell the packaging I have a kernel - what's a simple way? |
| 11:08.34 | yggdrasil | i doubt it, this will do fine |
| 11:08.47 | Eulex | joneskoo_, make-kpkg |
| 11:08.48 | jetx | !tell joneskoo_ -about kp |
| 11:09.03 | joneskoo_ | ok |
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| 11:12.09 | Growly | is it feasible to use hddtemp to turn sata hard drives off when they're not in use? |
| 11:12.22 | Growly | as in, are there any known nonos / problems? |
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| 11:13.20 | Eulex | Growly, being constantly turned on and off, any hdd will age faster. |
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| 11:13.29 | smhar | it seems that slashdot is slashdotted .. or something |
| 11:14.01 | Eulex | Growly, in any case, if you don't do anything about it, ext3 will commit to the hdd every 5s |
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| 11:14.11 | Eulex | that rate may be changed, though. |
| 11:14.28 | Eulex | ... so in that case the hdd will prolly never be turned off |
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| 11:18.17 | valdyn | Growly: its not necessarily saving power either |
| 11:18.34 | Trewas | if there is absolutely nothing to write (not even atime updates etc) then ext3 will have nothing to commit, so it works for idle data drives but not so easily for system/home |
| 11:18.36 | ma3x | I just custom compiled kernel (kp mantra) and booted. it said VFS: cannot open root device hda1. what the hell is wrong? |
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| 11:18.57 | jetx | !tell ma3x -about initrd |
| 11:19.03 | jetx | it's called you fucked it up |
| 11:19.10 | jetx | :) |
| 11:19.37 | jetx | oh it might be sda now btw |
| 11:19.48 | jetx | use UUID in menu.lst and fstab |
| 11:19.49 | Eulex | Trewas, right |
| 11:19.52 | ma3x | jetx, so should I compile with again with putting --initrd in front of kernel_image? |
| 11:20.04 | ma3x | or should I just specify the image on the line in grub? |
| 11:20.16 | DudeMan | any suggestions as to why when I reboot it creates and increments the <eth> by one? meaning when i reboot it goes eth1. reboot get eth2, reboot get eth3. ? |
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| 11:22.10 | ma3x | and why the hell can't I boot without initrd? |
| 11:22.10 | Eulex | ma3x, I'd suggest not using an initrd if you don't need to. just compile the fs and ide/sata chipset drivers statically (ie as non-modules) into the kernel. |
| 11:22.10 | Eulex | ma3x, because you messed up and either did compile the needed drivers as modules or not at all? |
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| 11:22.10 | ma3x | Eulex, I just hit enter at all questions (NEW) |
| 11:22.11 | ma3x | which compiled them as modules |
| 11:22.11 | valdyn | DudeMan: your MAC is changing |
| 11:22.11 | Eulex | ma3x, if your fs and ide/sata drivers are modules, you'll need an initrd. |
| 11:22.22 | valdyn | DudeMan: look into /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules to see some listed |
| 11:22.29 | valdyn | DudeMan: and "dmesg" for reasons |
| 11:22.37 | Eulex | ma3x, you compiled a new kernel the debian way by first copying in an older debian kernel config? |
| 11:22.39 | jetx | that or compile the stuff you need in. or just create an initrd. but check the sda |
| 11:22.39 | jetx | use uuid |
| 11:22.39 | jetx | better |
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| 11:22.45 | DudeMan | valdyn: nice! thanks! |
| 11:23.04 | ma3x | Eulex, yes |
| 11:23.26 | ma3x | Eulex, I copied the config to the source tree as .config and did make oldconfig |
| 11:23.30 | ma3x | and then the mantra way |
| 11:24.03 | eth01 | ya ;) |
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| 11:24.07 | Eulex | ma3x, ok. well, as the official debian .configs assume you have an initrd, you'll have to create one if you want that .config to work for you. |
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| 11:24.44 | ma3x | create what? a totally new .config? |
| 11:25.04 | Eulex | no, an initrd |
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| 11:26.09 | valdyn | ma3x: "make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image" |
| 11:26.19 | DudeMan | valdyn: it has all 6 eth's listed. do I need to take it back to just eth0 ? |
| 11:26.21 | ma3x | ok I'll try that way |
| 11:26.22 | jelly | ma3x: the last sentence in kp mantra factoid |
| 11:26.48 | ma3x | but wait, those question (NEW) is it ok if I hit enter at all? |
| 11:26.54 | valdyn | DudeMan: you need to get your MAC to be static, then just remove all entries from that file, the "new" eth will be eth0 |
| 11:26.57 | ma3x | or which ones need to be statically compiled to recognize the hard disk? |
| 11:27.30 | DudeMan | and use dmesg to figure out why it is changing? |
| 11:27.52 | valdyn | DudeMan: sure, the kernel ususally reports problems, if it sees any |
| 11:27.57 | jelly | ma3x: you need to worry about compiling in-kernel only you plan on not using initrd |
| 11:28.24 | ma3x | only if i use initrd? |
| 11:28.30 | ma3x | if not, I can skip all the questions, right? |
| 11:28.32 | jelly | only if you don't use it |
| 11:28.58 | valdyn | ma3x: you really like doing things you totally do not understand |
| 11:29.10 | jelly | ma3x: as for the new questions, it really depends on your hardware and wishes |
| 11:29.24 | ma3x | but it asks me about 500 (NEW) questions |
| 11:29.28 | Eulex | ma3x, and what those 'new questions' are. |
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| 11:29.48 | Eulex | ma3x, you could try getting a newer .config from debian |
| 11:29.51 | jelly | ma3x: then you haven't given it a recent .config |
| 11:29.52 | ma3x | I copied /boot/config-2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 11:29.57 | ma3x | and it still asks about 500 |
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| 11:30.07 | Eulex | and what kernel are you compiling? |
| 11:30.10 | jelly | ma3x: use the config from debian's 2.6.22-2-* |
| 11:30.19 | ma3x | the rc newest |
| 11:30.24 | ma3x | ok I'll copy the one from 22-2 |
| 11:30.53 | ma3x | ok, now less questions :) |
| 11:30.57 | ma3x | that's better |
| 11:31.44 | DudeMan | valdyn: there is a (forcedeth) after each eth listing in the persistent-net-rules file. then i found this line in the dmesg -->forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.56. |
| 11:32.17 | rootmos | i have the strangest problem, i am using a debian box as a firewall with iptables and nat, everything works fine until i need to reboot my firewall. After that i need to reboot my mac otherwise the firewall does not let me through to the internet. Ideas anyone? |
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| 11:32.51 | jelly | DudeMan: that's just the name of the driver |
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| 11:33.43 | frold | I have a problem with wget on my debian 4.0 server - when I use wget I only download with 20kbs from the server I try to get the file from. When I download the file via http in my browser I download the file with 500kbs... Why is there a limit on wget? and is it related to debian? Can it be changed? |
| 11:33.53 | ma3x | with the newest rc kernel, can I compile modules like rt2500, fglrx, acx... ? |
| 11:34.09 | DudeMan | jelly: hrrmm.. thx |
| 11:35.05 | rootmos | i have no problem connecting to the fw it is to the internet the problem is and when i reboot the client everything works. |
| 11:35.23 | jelly | frold: wget won't use bandwidth limits if you don't tell it to. If there is a limit, it could be the server is specifically configured to deter leechers. |
| 11:35.55 | frold | I have root acess to both servers, so is there a way to change it? |
| 11:36.52 | DudeMan | there is a few dozen entries at the end from atkbd.c --> similar to this first one -->atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd9 on isa0060/serio0). |
| 11:36.52 | DudeMan | atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e059 <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 11:37.35 | jelly | frold: _if_ that's the case, there probably is. are you running wget and the browser on the same machine? |
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| 11:38.59 | jelly | ma3x: we can't know what has been broken with the newest rc kernels. try it yourself. |
| 11:39.37 | frold | jelly, no I have a Debian webserver in Denmark, a Fedora box in Germany -now I try to download some files from the Fedora box to the Debian box via wget... |
| 11:39.40 | jelly | ma3x: binary modules are espcially prone to breaking with newer kernels |
| 11:39.46 | ma3x | is there virtualdub for linux? |
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| 11:40.41 | kp_duck | test |
| 11:40.47 | jelly | frold: well, then you could have a bandwidth problem with the debian server (not necessarily related to wget) |
| 11:40.59 | Omega42 | ma3x: no |
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| 11:42.13 | jelly | frold: try downloading a large file from some other location, or using some other software (eg. a text-mode web browser like elinks) |
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| 11:43.03 | ma3x | how can I view the exact temperature of my cpu? |
| 11:43.28 | cahoot | lm-sensors or acpi |
| 11:43.52 | kp_duck | Hi, since yesterday my X won't work with my Radeon HD2900XT. I am sure I did something while trying to set up the new (experimental) radeonhd drivers. But now not even the vesa drivers work... Any one with a clue? I run Debian unstable otherwise. Thanks for any help! |
| 11:44.05 | Omega42 | ma3x, about virtualdub see http://www.virtualdub.org/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=39 |
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| 11:44.44 | jelly | kp_duck: ducks shouldn't run sid? have you checked the bts? |
| 11:44.59 | kp_duck | jelly: bts? |
| 11:45.13 | jelly | kp_duck: bugs.debian.org |
| 11:45.59 | jelly | kp_duck: things break in unstable; not smart to use it if you're not familiar with reporting problems back to the distro |
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| 11:48.36 | jelly | kp_duck: also, first rule of reporting problems with X: show your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:49.56 | kp_duck | jelly: To whom should one report this you mean? Debian packagers or the X people? |
| 11:50.59 | jelly | kp_duck: probably debian first |
| 11:51.46 | kp_duck | jelly: It might not be a bug, only me... |
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| 11:53.34 | jelly | kp_duck: it might be useful to provide the useful data (see above) and let people here, on #xorg or in #debian-x on irc.debian.org figure out if you're doing something obviously wrong |
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| 11:54.19 | manuel__ | hi |
| 11:54.31 | manuel__ | does this script work: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/5683 |
| 11:54.32 | sf7_ | Can anyone help me get my mic working (etch on ThinkPad T30)? Looks like it s disabled in AlsaMixer |
| 11:54.35 | Eulex | kp_duck, you might also want to define 'doesn't work' |
| 11:54.51 | manuel__ | sf7_: alsamixer |
| 11:55.01 | kp_duck | jelly: What is the preferred way to link to a large xorg.conf+Xorg.0.log? |
| 11:55.04 | DudeMan | jelly & valdyn: thanks for the help. i found a thread on google with this problem and going to test. says to take out the hotkey-setup service |
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| 11:55.12 | jelly | kp_duck: pastebin |
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| 11:56.20 | jelly | DudeMan: quite weird, hotkey-setup to mess with network?? |
| 11:56.43 | cahoot | sf7, actually disabled, not only muted? |
| 11:56.45 | kp_duck | jelly: But since I don't have X how does one do it then? |
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| 11:56.58 | sf7_ | cahoot, manuel__: http://imagebin.ca/view/vHCye_v.html |
| 11:57.07 | jelly | kp_duck: a text-mode browser like elinks, lynx, w3m |
| 11:57.13 | Eulex | or: |
| 11:57.16 | DudeMan | jelly: well right, that doesnt make sense. but all these errors in dmsg cant be helping. bbl |
| 11:57.16 | kp_duck | jelly: ok! |
| 11:57.21 | Eulex | !pastebin pipe |
| 11:57.21 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 11:57.32 | cahoot | sf7, truly bleak |
| 11:57.55 | kp_duck | Eulex: thanks! |
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| 11:58.05 | manuel__ | sf7_: hmm looks good imo |
| 11:58.10 | rmaj | about installing by hand a kernel, copy of: /boot/vmlinuz + System + Config + /lib/modules/foo is all that is needed to install the kernel? waht about rebuilding list of libs with ld something? |
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| 11:58.23 | jelly | sf7_: and there's more on the might |
| 11:58.25 | jelly | right |
| 11:58.35 | sf7_ | I cant record using sound recorder |
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| 11:59.17 | assasukasse | hi all, i have a small problem, i want to make an ssh user on my debian to use it with ssh http tunnelling from another pc, in order to pass a firewall... |
| 11:59.19 | unilynx | sf7_: Have you tried other programs? I have issues with sound recorder, so instead I use Audacity. |
| 11:59.21 | assasukasse | could someone help me |
| 11:59.37 | sf7_ | audacity wont work either |
| 11:59.43 | sf7_ | it just records silence |
| 11:59.57 | sf7_ | my xp partition works so its not hardware prob! |
| 12:00.14 | cahoot | sf7, tried upping the levels? |
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| 12:00.20 | unilynx | sf7_: Have you looked at your alsamixer settings? Make sure everything regarding the mic is unmuted. |
| 12:00.28 | unilynx | Put mic boost on as well |
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| 12:01.32 | jelly | sf7_: also, upgrading the kernel (meaning, upgrading the alsa driver) might help. More controls in alsamixer might appear. |
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| 12:02.06 | yure | hi, does anyone know why SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown didn't make it to debian etch's default ssl.conf |
| 12:02.10 | jelly | sf7_: mainly something like Mic volume ;-) |
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| 12:02.32 | yure | is there a reason why i shouldn't put it myself? It seems to solve the ie6 issue |
| 12:02.40 | assasukasse | could someone tell me how to make an ssh user that has no privileges, but i use it only for ssh-tunnelling? |
| 12:02.43 | jelly | sf7_: or Mic boost |
| 12:03.09 | jelly | yure: wow, that's STILL needed? |
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| 12:03.24 | unilynx | sf7_: You may have luck switching to OSS instead. That is, if all else fails. |
| 12:03.36 | sf7_ | whats OSS? |
| 12:03.36 | yure | jelly was there another solution for that? |
| 12:03.41 | Greyscale_ | Upon running nm-applet as a user, I get this: |
| 12:03.43 | Greyscale_ | ** (nm-applet:3510): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.18" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
| 12:03.49 | Greyscale_ | How do I fix it? |
| 12:04.00 | jelly | yure: I'd hoped Microsoft had fixed the browser |
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| 12:04.23 | yure | well they did but apparently some people still use that version |
| 12:04.24 | Greyscale_ | Those aren't bugs, they're features! |
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| 12:05.10 | unilynx | dpkg oss |
| 12:05.10 | dpkg | [oss] an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.6 info).. OldSchoolSound |
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| 12:05.33 | postbank | moin |
| 12:05.37 | xand | !de |
| 12:05.37 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, freenode or irc.belwue.de) |
| 12:05.45 | postbank | hello |
| 12:05.53 | sf7_ | i have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1. why? |
| 12:05.54 | yure | :) |
| 12:06.13 | jelly | sf7_: compatibility reasons |
| 12:07.11 | jelly | sf7_: alsa provides oss emulation devices to make older software work |
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| 12:08.06 | sf7_ | oss is 'nonfree'... i have to pay? |
| 12:08.59 | wols_ | sf7_: no |
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| 12:09.16 | wols_ | part of oss is Free and in the kernel, some cards and stuff is non-free and payware |
| 12:09.21 | wols_ | and no one uses the payware thing |
| 12:09.47 | sf7_ | in alsamixer, in 'playback' tab mic is enabled and vol up and mic boost is enabled, but in 'recording' tab the mic is disabled (redded out, i cant alter it) and theres no boost |
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| 12:10.12 | sf7_ | whats going on? u cant use a mic for playback! |
| 12:10.48 | jelly | sf7: you can listen to the sounds from it |
| 12:10.53 | cahoot | sf7, is it a hda-intel audio device? |
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| 12:11.10 | jelly | cahoot: it is |
| 12:11.24 | cahoot | figures |
| 12:11.38 | jelly | cahoot: as seen on the screenshot |
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| 12:12.22 | jelly | well, alsa 1.0.14 for hda-intel is much better than what's in etch kernel |
| 12:12.40 | sf7_ | how to find out? |
| 12:13.09 | jelly | sf7: cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 12:13.12 | sf7_ | jelly: u mean, feed the mic into the speaker output? |
| 12:13.34 | jelly | sf7_: yes |
| 12:13.50 | sf7_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.12 | jelly | oh, it's not hda-intel then O:-) |
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| 12:14.26 | cahoot | ohoh |
| 12:14.57 | sf7_ | maybe i need to recompile the kernel for the soundcard i have... |
| 12:15.16 | jelly | sf7_: which kernel version do you use? |
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| 12:15.43 | sf7_ | Linux 73-37 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 12:15.43 | wols_ | sf7_: and what mobo/chipset do you use? |
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| 12:16.19 | DudeMan | jelly / valyd: thanks again for the help. i dont understand why, but some bad keyboard mapping service was changing MAC on every reboot. |
| 12:16.41 | jelly | DudeMan: it must have been smoking somethnig bad |
| 12:16.50 | sf7_ | pretty sure its a AC '97 Audio Controller/Sound Card |
| 12:16.50 | wols_ | keyboard mapping service (whatevre that is) chaning MAC? |
| 12:17.17 | DudeMan | at least now the static IP stays put. but on restarting networking service it still tries to load erroneous network devices 1-6. how to clear that? |
| 12:17.30 | valdyn | sf7_: why don't you try a newer kernel from backports.org |
| 12:17.42 | DudeMan | wols_ sorry the hotkey service |
| 12:17.52 | dalias | what is keyboard mapping service? |
| 12:17.54 | sf7_ | shouldnt i have the latest - i used a net-inst cd yesterday? |
| 12:17.59 | jelly | !!z25 |
| 12:18.00 | jelly | !z25 |
| 12:18.01 | dpkg | somebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 12:18.18 | valdyn | DudeMan: what's in /etc/network/interfaces about those eth1-6 ? |
| 12:18.25 | jelly | DudeMan: I think that would be it ^^ |
| 12:18.34 | wols_ | jelly: you are mistaken. a ICH3 has no Azalia. He has AC97, nothing else |
| 12:18.39 | DudeMan | niiiiiice |
| 12:18.56 | jelly | wols_: hence [14:14] <jelly> oh, it's not hda-intel then O:-) |
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| 12:19.25 | valdyn | sf7_: mm, ich3 is old, your kernel should probably already support that sound card. |
| 12:19.53 | sf7_ | its an old laptop,... |
| 12:20.11 | valdyn | sf7_: what's in /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| 12:22.07 | sf7_ | http://pastebin.com/m258eece7 |
| 12:22.23 | frold | Howto upload a sql file via SSH? I have created a sql file by using: mysqldump -u USERNAME -p DATABASENAME > FILENAME.sql Howto put the filename.sql into a given database via SSH |
| 12:22.35 | valdyn | sf7_: perfectly fine |
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| 12:23.13 | sf7_ | can i cat my mic output? |
| 12:23.28 | valdyn | sf7_: cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp might actually work |
| 12:24.30 | valdyn | sf7_: or arecord | aplay ( with the devices specified ) |
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| 12:25.58 | nem75 | frold: copy to remote host with scp, then on the remote host mysql -u user -p dbname < yourfile.sql |
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| 12:26.51 | sf7_ | nothings working... im stuck |
| 12:27.09 | valdyn | sf7_: which error do you get? |
| 12:27.24 | sf7_ | no errors just no sound either |
| 12:27.27 | valdyn | sf7_: if there's no error then it does work, you just have not turned up the volume |
| 12:27.39 | LightKnight | sf7_: alsa or oss? |
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| 12:27.42 | valdyn | sf7_: or your mic isnt set to record or recordds nothing |
| 12:28.01 | sf7_ | how to set it to record? i cant do that in alsamixer |
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| 12:28.24 | valdyn | sf7_: you can |
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| 12:28.35 | frold | nem75 thank you...:D But I dont now scp... I use filezilla... Something simular? |
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| 12:29.17 | nem75 | frold: man scp |
| 12:29.29 | nem75 | frold: or use any other client which supports sftp |
| 12:29.46 | valdyn | sf7_: use the FX keys in alsamixer |
| 12:30.26 | frold | scp http://path.td/filename.sql ? nem75` |
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| 12:31.48 | nem75 | frold: umm... excuse me? |
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| 12:31.54 | sf7_ | really i cant. what does alsamixer tweak? can i do it manually? |
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| 12:32.36 | valdyn | sf7_: did you use the FX keys in alsamixer? |
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| 12:33.11 | valdyn | sf7_: "View: [Playback] Capture All" is wrong |
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| 12:33.17 | joo_ | what package do i need to compile in debian? |
| 12:33.27 | valdyn | !b-e joo_ |
| 12:33.28 | dpkg | joo_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:33.32 | joo_ | thanks |
| 12:33.32 | joo_ | :D |
| 12:33.39 | sf7_ | i type ? and it shows me all the keymaps. none of the F keys _do_ anything. just change the view. |
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| 12:34.07 | valdyn | sf7_: right, the Capture and the All views will show the mic |
| 12:34.25 | frold | nem75 sry... Just wanted to now how to get the file from one server to another via scp... Ill try to google |
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| 12:34.42 | Schampong | hi |
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| 12:34.57 | sf7_ | i get this: http://imagebin.ca/view/vHCye_v.html |
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| 12:37.10 | ethemc | is there a netfilter-extensions pckg for debian etch |
| 12:37.31 | ethemc | *Package |
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| 12:38.48 | valdyn | sf7_: there's stuff you can scroll to with cursor keys |
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| 12:38.52 | valdyn | sf7_: seen that part too? |
| 12:38.53 | kp_duck | jelly:, Eulex: Hi, I eventually managed to sent it using lynx. My Xorg.0.log is at http://www.pastebin.ca/719578 |
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| 12:39.25 | mutante | ethemc: it seems there are many seperate packages, apt-cache search netfilter |
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| 12:39.33 | nico__ | hello |
| 12:39.56 | jelly | kp_duck: what about /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 12:39.56 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know if I can use "losetup" (or similar) to create a block device using several (virually concatenated) input files? |
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| 12:40.18 | fengor | hey, quick question: is there a recommended qay to upgrade mysql 4.0 to 4.1 in debian? |
| 12:40.19 | valdyn | vlt: no |
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| 12:40.45 | wols | fengor: there is no mysql4 in debian anymore |
| 12:40.49 | Schampong | vlt: I guess you will need something like lvm or so |
| 12:41.13 | valdyn | vlt: you can "virtually concatenate" all kinds of files with lvm |
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| 12:41.29 | fengor | wols, i forgot to mention that i run sarge atm |
| 12:41.41 | rmaj | what usb microphones work under debian? |
| 12:41.59 | wols | fengor: then upgrade to etch |
| 12:42.24 | Schampong | Anyone interested in a little bash-script that allows to modify AMD Athlon CPU name strings? |
| 12:42.29 | nico__ | may i ask for a clarification about something? (apt actually). let's say i include debian-multimedia repositories in my sources.list, but would like that apt uses it *only* for packages that can't be found elsewhere (that is, if a package exists on both d-m et debian servers but in different versions, i'd rather have apt install the debian one, even if it's the older)... so how can i do this? |
| 12:42.50 | kp_duck | jelly: it's coming too |
| 12:42.50 | moshii | nico__: pinning |
| 12:42.50 | nico__ | i'm sure it has something to do with apt pinning but, having read some docs about it, i don't get it :-/ |
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| 12:43.12 | Eulex | nico__, pin it to a lower priority than the main repos |
| 12:43.19 | ma3x | this is weird - I have a directory 15c17e308ea35b4a6280a1607b87 in / and the contents is this: $shtdwn$.req what is it? |
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| 12:43.29 | nico__ | Eulex, by "it" you mean the d-m repos ? |
| 12:43.40 | Eulex | nico__, yes |
| 12:43.51 | valdyn | ma3x: that does not belong to debian |
| 12:43.52 | Schampong | ma3x: sounds like fsck found something |
| 12:43.58 | moshii | nico__: yes, that way apt will use the standard repos over dm where possible |
| 12:43.59 | ma3x | to what does it belong then? |
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| 12:44.27 | nico__ | moshii, even if the package on d-m has a higher version? |
| 12:44.28 | Schampong | on a partition, which was or appeared to be corrupt |
| 12:44.40 | Schampong | ma3x |
| 12:44.42 | mutante | nico__: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 12:44.43 | ma3x | what? |
| 12:45.06 | Schampong | well, on startup, fsck usually checks your root partition (where / is located) |
| 12:45.08 | moshii | nico__: yeah, i have unstable pinned into my testing machine |
| 12:45.41 | moshii | nico__: apt picks the testing package unless i force it to take the unstable one |
| 12:45.59 | mutante | you can setup /etc/apt/preferences to configure what it picks first |
| 12:46.08 | sf7_ | ICH - Intel 82801CA-ICH3 -- this doesnt look much like my AC/97 soundcard... |
| 12:46.31 | valdyn | sf7_: it is. |
| 12:46.32 | nico__ | mutante, moshii : yeah but that's something i don't get actually... you (and the doc mutante points me to) seem to refer to branches for pinning, not repositories |
| 12:46.58 | sf7_ | am sooo stuck |
| 12:47.13 | moshii | nico__: ill need to check again exactly how it works.. i set it up a long time ago and left it |
| 12:47.18 | valdyn | sf7_: just like this: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 ( mine ) |
| 12:47.27 | sf7_ | u on a thinkpad? |
| 12:47.38 | valdyn | sf7_: yes, little newer one |
| 12:47.41 | Schampong | ma3x: if your filesystem got bad data (broken files...), fsck will usually find it. But in case it cannot be repaired or fsck is unsure whether this actually belongs to files, it moves the found data to /lost-fount |
| 12:47.51 | nico__ | mutanta, moshii, in the doc they set a priority for each branch... but if i got apt right, packages for all the branches are on the same repos :-/ |
| 12:47.51 | Schampong | fo ext2/3 |
| 12:48.12 | mutante | nico__: hmm, not sure if there is a difference between "branches" and "repositories" in this |
| 12:48.12 | sf7_ | im on a T30 |
| 12:48.27 | mutante | nico__: just try out by using "debian-multimedia" as "branch" name? shrug |
| 12:48.33 | moshii | mutante: dm has stabel, testing etc too i think |
| 12:48.56 | Schampong | ma3x: but for some other filesystems (I remember reiserfs had this behavior), fsck will move the data to directories that look like the one you described. |
| 12:49.09 | ethemc | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lselinux |
| 12:49.10 | ethemc | " |
| 12:49.19 | Schampong | but that's only a guess, to take that for granted |
| 12:49.38 | nico__ | mutante, d-m is a repos, the branch inside is "stable" (well the one i'd use) |
| 12:49.48 | sf7_ | valdyn -- what does u r [record] screenie look like for the mic? (on alsamixer)? |
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| 12:50.21 | kp_duck | jelly: They are at http://pastebin.ca/719578 and http://pastebin.ca/719588. Thanks for any help! |
| 12:50.30 | mutante | Package: <package> Pin: <pin definition> |
| 12:50.38 | mutante | A pin can be specified on a package's version, release or origin. |
| 12:51.09 | mutante | Option release depends on the Release file from an APT repository or from a CD. |
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| 12:51.09 | Schampong | ma3x: what is inside the directory 15c17e308ea35b4a6280a1607b87 |
| 12:51.11 | Schampong | ? |
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| 12:52.27 | mutante | The parameters for a release are: a (archive), c (components), v (version), o (origin) and l (label). Pin: release v=2.2*,a=stable,c=main,o=Debian,l=Debian |
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| 12:52.36 | mutante | You may see the contents of the Release files that you have on /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 12:53.30 | nico__ | mutante, ok so i guess i should use only origin and it will disregard the rest... thanks |
| 12:53.45 | mutante | i haven tried it myself, was just curious now |
| 12:53.54 | nico__ | :) |
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| 12:54.45 | jelly | kp_duck: well I can't see anything immediately suspicious, the log looks like it might be incomplete though. what happens when you start X? |
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| 12:55.50 | tt | Questin: I'm setting up apache2 right now and Im trying to change the documentroot9~ I've changed "documentroot" in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default. What more do I need to change? |
| 12:56.06 | kp_duck | It flickers for less than a second (like always) and then falls back to the login prompt. The same whatever the drvier. |
| 12:56.19 | valdyn | sf7_: about the same, except i couldnt see the part that was scrolled off to the right on your screenshot |
| 12:56.30 | tt | sorry i meant "Question" (for all) |
| 12:56.38 | kp_duck | jelly: I normally run with kdm |
| 12:57.16 | sf7_ | can u use up&down arrow to change the mic vol? (in [record] ) |
| 12:57.21 | blq | hi, does anyone know if there's a "truecrypt channel" or something like that? |
| 12:57.32 | sf7_ | cos i cant. it's stuck on zero. |
| 12:58.11 | ethemc | what is if i do an source installation over an dpkg |
| 12:58.19 | ethemc | will it be overwrite it |
| 12:58.22 | nico__ | something else about apt: i already asked it and googled a lot, but nobody seemed to know how to know what repository has a package that is already installed on the system been installed from... still nobody? :-) |
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| 12:59.09 | ethemc | nico__ apt-cache search apt-show |
| 12:59.11 | tt | How do I check my public ip the easiest way? |
| 12:59.17 | valdyn | sf7_: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/Bildschirmfoto.png |
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| 12:59.58 | jengelh | hm, 'm a bit stuck, what's the debian way of doing mkinitrd? |
| 13:00.26 | wols | jengelh: you compile a kernel with make-kpkg --initrd |
| 13:00.27 | valdyn | sf7_: reload probably, was the wrong shot first |
| 13:00.34 | jengelh | i was compiling from src.. |
| 13:00.40 | moshii | jengelh: update-initrd wraps around the process |
| 13:00.43 | wols | tt: www.whatismyip.org or such |
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| 13:01.12 | valdyn | tt: ^^^ if you dont use a http proxy |
| 13:01.12 | wols | jengelh: yes and when you compile from kernel source you must use kernel-package to create a .deb kernel |
| 13:01.17 | tt | wols: Thanks that what I guessed. Is their a way to check it from cli (not using a broswer) |
| 13:01.25 | tt | valdyn: No proxy. |
| 13:01.30 | wols | tt: in the age of NAT: unpossible |
| 13:01.30 | valdyn | !what's my ip |
| 13:01.36 | jengelh | wols: update-initrd was sufficient ;) |
| 13:01.36 | valdyn | !my ip |
| 13:01.39 | valdyn | !myip |
| 13:01.40 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 13:01.46 | valdyn | tt: ^^^ |
| 13:01.54 | wols | jengelh: no it was not. it's wrong to install an initrd that way |
| 13:02.01 | tt | hmm |
| 13:02.05 | tt | well thanks anyway |
| 13:02.13 | wols | it's for updating sometimes yes, but any kernel that you install from source without creating a .deb is wrong |
| 13:02.29 | wols | valdyn: that is useless and you know it |
| 13:02.51 | wols | jengelh: especially when it's so easy to do with kernel-package |
| 13:02.55 | valdyn | wols: oh, nope, what is? |
| 13:03.23 | wols | valdyn: the factoid. nine out of ten times you get a non routable IP assigned by your router |
| 13:03.26 | Nemoder | nico__: try 'apt-cache policy packagename' |
| 13:03.36 | valdyn | wols: some ways listed in that factoid work |
| 13:03.49 | valdyn | wols: like the last one |
| 13:04.57 | sf7_ | valdyn - what irc client r u using -- i notice it looks way cool in the screenie |
| 13:05.28 | valdyn | sf7_: irssi, but many irc clients look like that |
| 13:05.41 | nico__ | Nemoder, that doesn't do it... that tells me where apt would fetch the package if i asked him to install it now, that doesn't tell me where the one that is already installed on my system has been fetched |
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| 13:05.56 | valdyn | sf7_: irssi, default setup with tango color palette |
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| 13:06.27 | valdyn | sf7_: probably irc coloring enabled or somesuch |
| 13:06.37 | valdyn | sf7_: probably nick coloring enabled or somesuch |
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| 13:07.08 | nico__ | ethemc, nothing seems to do it neither in the packages listed by apt-cache search apt-show (i guess you were thinking about apt-show-versions, but that doesn't seem to do what i'm looking for neither :-/ ) |
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| 13:07.50 | gryfel | Hi all |
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| 13:08.38 | nico__ | Nemoder, or am i wrong? |
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| 13:08.55 | gryfel | anyone aware of a usb2-hub, with build in adapter for a serial and parallel-ports? :) |
| 13:09.04 | Nemoder | nico__: I'm not sure if there is a way to know where a package came from if you change your sources after installing it |
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| 13:09.31 | nico__ | apt doesn't log that kind of stuff ? |
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| 13:10.13 | sf7_ | can i enable my mic from command line? |
| 13:10.16 | valdyn | nico__: though if you install unsigned packages, that's your problem. |
| 13:10.29 | gryfel | sf7_ use alsamixer |
| 13:10.38 | sf7_ | isnt working |
| 13:10.44 | nico__ | vader--, ho now that's an idea! didn't think about the signature |
| 13:10.53 | nico__ | oops, valdyn :-) |
| 13:10.57 | nico__ | valdyn, thanks |
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| 13:13.10 | valdyn | sf7_: it seems to be capturing when cat /dev/dsp spams your screen |
| 13:13.18 | Azar | sf7_: make sure you plugged the mic in the correct location, try alsamixer again |
| 13:15.47 | sf7_ | all correct : i reboot into xp and mic responds! |
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| 13:17.06 | Azar | sf7_: then see if your media player is configured to use alsa instead of oss... see if you heve mic options there |
| 13:17.19 | valdyn | sf7_: go to the ALL view, leave mic at CAPTURe but turn up volume |
| 13:17.55 | argile | i just booted from the debian livecd (etch) and startx isn't doing it. is there another command to start the desktop environment? |
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| 13:19.01 | valdyn | argile: what is the error message? |
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| 13:19.13 | ethemc | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lselinux \ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status \ make: *** [iptables] Error 1" |
| 13:19.23 | ethemc | can anybody help ? |
| 13:19.28 | claudio` | http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=3163263343187879320&q=genre%3Acomedy&total=7146704&start=30&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 |
| 13:19.32 | valdyn | ethemc: apt-cache search libselinux |
| 13:19.32 | argile | valdyn (other machine is downstairs) but it's that startx isn't a recognized command. along those lines. |
| 13:19.39 | valdyn | ethemc: install the -dev package |
| 13:19.57 | argile | valdyn so startx should work? |
| 13:20.10 | valdyn | argile: no, i know nothing about that livecd specifically |
| 13:20.18 | valdyn | argile: or what's supposed to be on it |
| 13:20.18 | ethemc | from source or from apt ? |
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| 13:20.32 | argile | valdyn. ok. i'm having trouble finding docs on the wiki. |
| 13:20.33 | valdyn | ethemc: apt-cache search libselinux should list packages |
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| 13:21.33 | Sponzor | http://rafb.net/p/7QB5ZJ76.html |
| 13:21.36 | Sponzor | where to change this message |
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| 13:22.03 | argile | is there a channel for debian live? |
| 13:22.12 | DawnLight | nexuiz is freezing my system |
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| 13:23.07 | valdyn | DawnLight: intel opengl hardware acceleration is really bad |
| 13:23.34 | wols | more like intel graphics chips are shit :) |
| 13:23.44 | valdyn | well, both |
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| 13:27.40 | newbie_osk | hello. i have a problem that i thought would be pretty mainstream, but alas googling proved fruitless. it's quite simple really: after i susped/resume the system, the modem on my ttyS1 doesn't respond (ie. pppd and chat don't work). I'm running Debian i386 kernel 2.6.18 with Gnome |
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| 13:28.03 | wols | nico__: /usr/share/keymaps/mac |
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| 13:29.19 | nico__ | wols, mine is not there (nobody knows belgium ;-) ) |
| 13:29.24 | valdyn | newbie_osk: a real serial port modem? |
| 13:29.43 | newbie_osk | yep, it's real. not a winmodem |
| 13:29.54 | valdyn | newbie_osk: try reloading the serial port driver |
| 13:30.02 | tt | To remove gnome, what packages do I need to remove? |
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| 13:31.03 | newbie_osk | valdyn: i thought of that but.. i couldn't even find any info on how to do that (embarrasing) |
| 13:32.07 | valdyn | newbie_osk: ah, its statically compiled into the kernel, cant reload it |
| 13:32.14 | hark | tt: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 13:33.20 | valdyn | newbie_osk: try /etc/init.d/setserial |
| 13:33.49 | valdyn | newbie_osk: if you dont have that file, "aptitude install setserial" |
| 13:34.27 | newbie_osk | valdyn: i don't have it |
| 13:34.47 | newbie_osk | valdyn: getting it... |
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| 13:35.31 | tt | hark: hark: It says I need a "action option". Any idea? |
| 13:35.46 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 13:35.46 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 13:36.00 | joneskoo_ | can I list installed packages sorted by disk space usage? |
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| 13:36.57 | DustyDingo | hm, is there a good way to prompt the user with ssh-add, before the window manager starts? |
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| 13:37.06 | tt | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 13:37.06 | Sponzor | if you remove all of gnome would that infect on kde? |
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| 13:37.50 | DustyDingo | i tried a functiont, 'startxs' which prompts the user for a password, but i can't hand it over to ssh-add |
| 13:37.56 | DustyDingo | any idears? |
| 13:37.59 | newbie_osk | valdyn: i got it with Synaptic. hope that's not a faux pas. what now? |
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| 13:39.04 | hark | joneskoo_: dpigs is one way |
| 13:39.19 | valdyn | newbie_osk: run /etc/init.d/setserial and see if your modem works |
| 13:40.05 | joneskoo_ | hark: um, thanks, but it wants python and openssl etc. bloating this setup even further :) |
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| 13:41.17 | valdyn | !installed packages |
| 13:41.17 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 13:41.20 | joneskoo_ | hark: mm, apparently dpigs is simpler than I thought |
| 13:41.30 | joneskoo_ | I might just take dpigs from debian-goodies and ignore depends |
| 13:41.33 | DudeMan | !soundcard |
| 13:41.33 | dpkg | i guess sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 13:41.35 | newbie_osk | valdyn: ok, so after i resume from a system suspend and the pon script (pppd) doesn't work i should run setserial and then it should work? |
| 13:41.50 | valdyn | newbie_osk: no, then it might work. You need to try and see |
| 13:42.05 | Nigromante | !newbie |
| 13:42.05 | dpkg | methinks newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 13:42.08 | hark | joneskoo_: yeah, you can just take the script from the package |
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| 13:43.52 | newbie_osk | valdyn: thanks valdyn. i'll give it a try now |
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| 13:44.08 | joneskoo_ | hark: apparently not, doesn't seem to work even after I took grep-status (grep-dctrl) |
| 13:44.13 | valdyn | DudeMan: are you using the "ssh-askpass-gnome - interactive X program to prompt users for a passphrase for..." package ? |
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| 13:45.23 | DudeMan | valdyn: hmm? i'm trying to fix a no sound issue :/ |
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| 13:45.36 | valdyn | DudeMan: oh, wrong target |
| 13:45.44 | valdyn | DustyDingo: are you using the "ssh-askpass-gnome - interactive X program to prompt users for a passphrase for..." package ? |
| 13:46.05 | DustyDingo | valdyn: no |
| 13:47.38 | valdyn | DustyDingo: i dont know your problem, but running a program before the WM is trivial just as there's 2 package that do that ask password dialogue, what is the problem? |
| 13:48.05 | DustyDingo | yes, thats exactly my problem |
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| 13:48.54 | DustyDingo | valdyn: i will try those |
| 13:49.22 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 13:49.22 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 13:49.35 | Sponzor | how to remove programs with aptitude? |
| 13:49.56 | wols | aptitude remove blah |
| 13:50.19 | hark | joneskoo_: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -n |
| 13:50.35 | Sponzor | wols when you do aptitude |
| 13:50.38 | joneskoo_ | hark: ok, thanks a lot |
| 13:50.41 | Sponzor | and then the program is oppened |
| 13:50.45 | Sponzor | how to remove programs in there |
| 13:50.45 | Sponzor | :P |
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| 13:51.57 | hark | Sponzor: ? for help |
| 13:52.34 | Sponzor | k |
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| 13:54.53 | tt | Ive got 400GB of space on my server that I don't know what to do with. Any ideas? |
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| 13:55.06 | qrck | share it ? |
| 13:55.13 | qrck | lol |
| 13:55.15 | qrck | *g* |
| 13:56.14 | tt | I don't think I'm gutsy enough to do that. Don't like the idea of other having access to the server. |
| 13:56.23 | eth01 | what a weird question to ask |
| 13:56.32 | tt | ha |
| 13:57.05 | eth01 | i've got an 80gb HD and i only use 10gb what should I do with the other 60 or so? :/ DUH, go figure. |
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| 13:57.13 | Sponzor | lol |
| 13:57.20 | qrck | oh man |
| 13:57.29 | tt | eth01: Thats the situation on my laptop. 80 gb but not using 60 :p |
| 13:57.37 | Sponzor | i have 8gb disk |
| 13:57.41 | Sponzor | and only 300mb free |
| 13:57.43 | Sponzor | what can i do? |
| 13:57.44 | Sponzor | :)) |
| 13:57.49 | joneskoo_ | hark: works nice |
| 13:58.00 | frold | If use less then the 400mb you could raid the disk |
| 13:58.02 | SpeedyG | tt: i've got a 800GB machine, and only using 400... but hey, I dont care.. its always nice to have some spare space ;) |
| 13:58.04 | eth01 | setup some kind of load balancing kinda thing |
| 13:58.11 | frold | *400gb |
| 13:58.15 | Nigromante | Sponzor, buy a new HD |
| 13:58.20 | tt | Sponzor: You could download half a dvd-rip encoded in divx. |
| 13:58.27 | Sponzor | :)) |
| 13:58.57 | tt | It just feels like a waste to have 400GB of empty space. |
| 13:59.04 | Sponzor | yes it is |
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| 13:59.09 | qrck | fill it with porn then |
| 13:59.10 | qrck | lol |
| 13:59.13 | cahoot | tt, make 10 backups of your system |
| 13:59.14 | Sponzor | share to torrents or someting |
| 13:59.17 | SpeedyG | qrck: been there, done that :p |
| 13:59.17 | Nigromante | yes, i suggest filling it with 0s |
| 13:59.47 | tt | 10 backups on the same disk? Yeah, Id love the thought of that hdd crash. |
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| 14:00.07 | Sponzor | lol |
| 14:00.07 | frold | I could use a raiddisk :D |
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| 14:00.38 | Nigromante | but you would only lose 1/10 of your real information |
| 14:00.39 | Sponzor | i m removeing games and gnome now |
| 14:00.46 | Sponzor | what should i remove for more space? |
| 14:00.55 | tt | "/" |
| 14:01.03 | Sponzor | lol |
| 14:01.31 | Nigromante | try deborphan |
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| 14:02.04 | ethemc | can anyone give me a step by step iptables +"-j ROUTE" patch installation manual for debian etch |
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| 14:06.52 | Sponzor | what is that program that you open it like http. and there you have statistic off server |
| 14:07.04 | Sponzor | uptime disks uplod etc... |
| 14:07.05 | Sponzor | al the info |
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| 14:11.09 | assasukasse | hi all, if i make an user like this: adduser --no-create-home --shell /bin/false user-added. can i use it to forward ssh only? |
| 14:13.11 | Sajes | Holy poo. the netinst will take me 5 hours to download. Perhaps I should download it at my friends house. :| |
| 14:13.41 | ethemc | can anybody use the "iptables -j ROUTE" option with debian etch |
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| 14:15.04 | joneskoo_ | hum. now I got the chroot version of my mini-distro down to 132 MB. target is 128 MB (less so that it is useful). compression will definitely do the rest but what's the trick to make it do something like unionfs? |
| 14:15.11 | Nigromante | Sajes, linux implicitly requires a good network connection (most of the time) |
| 14:15.20 | joneskoo_ | or is there a compressed rw filesystem? |
| 14:16.34 | Sponzor | anybody? |
| 14:16.44 | Sponzor | what is that program that you open it like http. and there you have statistic off server |
| 14:16.48 | Sponzor | uptime disks uplod etc... |
| 14:16.57 | ethemc | can anybody use the "iptables -j ROUTE" option with debian etch |
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| 14:18.21 | stew | ethemc: i don't see a module for it in "/sbin/modprobe -l | grep ipt", does it require POM? |
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| 14:18.49 | man_in_ltop | having some trouble with vlc |
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| 14:19.32 | valdyn | tt: you are using lvm, are you? and an online resizable fs? |
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| 14:19.47 | man_in_ltop | i'm running unstable, and i have vlc package 0.8.6.c-3+b1 (i386) installed |
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| 14:20.08 | man_in_ltop | when i try to run vlc, it crashes quite spectacularly |
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| 14:20.33 | valdyn | joneskoo_: you already did localepurge and remove "cruft" in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 14:20.43 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: no |
| 14:20.49 | rmaj | where to get a debian CD which works like rescue cd, allowing me to install a kernel to a system without kernel installed? |
| 14:20.56 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: what's locale purge? |
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| 14:21.27 | valdyn | joneskoo_: removes locale files that you dont need according to your system configuration ( see dpkg-reconfigure locales ) |
| 14:21.51 | Nigromante | rmaj standard debian install cd |
| 14:21.52 | man_in_ltop | http://rafb.net/p/xHat4T33.html << that's what i get |
| 14:21.57 | joneskoo_ | can I make apt lists go to a tmpfs or kept compressed? |
| 14:22.03 | joneskoo_ | they eat a lot of space |
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| 14:22.14 | valdyn | joneskoo_: stop using large repos |
| 14:22.14 | Nigromante | it has a rescue option |
| 14:22.26 | valdyn | joneskoo_: or dont use a repo at all once the system is done |
| 14:22.39 | valdyn | s/done/completed/ |
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| 14:23.29 | rmaj | Nigromante: the 650 mb one? will the net-install work as well? |
| 14:23.46 | Nigromante | i use the net-install |
| 14:24.02 | rmaj | cool |
| 14:24.19 | ethemc | stew: yes it's require patch-o-matic |
| 14:24.25 | Nigromante | at boot time from cd, you can browse boot options |
| 14:24.51 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: are there small repositories then? |
| 14:25.02 | rmaj | wtf? |
| 14:25.09 | rmaj | debian ISO images are not signed? |
| 14:25.13 | ethemc | stew: but i cant do a installation, everywhere is writing something else |
| 14:25.18 | valdyn | joneskoo_: umm, you just empty your /etc/apt/sources.list and run aptitude update |
| 14:25.21 | rmaj | iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso --> 404 |
| 14:25.30 | rmaj | I ment: .iso.gpg |
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| 14:25.40 | Nigromante | ? |
| 14:25.44 | valdyn | joneskoo_: or leave only the security.d.o there |
| 14:25.53 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: I removed aptitde :p |
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| 14:26.00 | valdyn | joneskoo_: same for apt-get |
| 14:26.15 | valdyn | joneskoo_: not like you need a package manager at all to run that system |
| 14:26.25 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: I do for updates |
| 14:26.35 | joneskoo_ | perhaps sshd too (dropbear) |
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| 14:27.37 | ethemc | stew: are u there ? |
| 14:28.12 | joneskoo_ | what are /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin? |
| 14:28.18 | joneskoo_ | can I remove them, are those regenerated? |
| 14:28.27 | stew | ethemc: yeah. i don't use POM thogh. what do you mean by "everywhere is writing something else" |
| 14:28.46 | valdyn | joneskoo_: they are generated |
| 14:29.06 | ethemc | i have googled since 3 hours and there are writing diffrent solutions |
| 14:29.17 | ethemc | for installing pom |
| 14:29.27 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: is there harm from rm -rf /usr/share/doc ? |
| 14:29.37 | ethemc | i cant do it :S |
| 14:29.43 | joneskoo_ | hmh, just 9 MB worth |
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| 14:30.14 | valdyn | joneskoo_: yes, dont, just remove the contents of /usr/share/doc/ if you want |
| 14:30.38 | ethemc | stew: need a step by step installation guide |
| 14:30.40 | joneskoo_ | valdyn: there's no harm from removing the contents? |
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| 14:30.50 | ethemc | stew or someone who can help |
| 14:30.56 | valdyn | joneskoo_: except that you cant read the docs then |
| 14:31.00 | joneskoo_ | of course. |
| 14:31.09 | joneskoo_ | perhaps I'll tar them and rm the uncompressed |
| 14:31.16 | stew | ethemc: try #iptables |
| 14:31.17 | joneskoo_ | then I can decompress on tmpfs if I need them |
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| 14:32.52 | joneskoo_ | mh, 5.4M vs. 9 MB, I guess it's not worth the convenience of saving the docs |
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| 14:34.30 | lvh | hi |
| 14:34.32 | joneskoo_ | now it's down to 82 MB >:) |
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| 14:34.45 | clownfish | hi lvh |
| 14:34.53 | lvh | whats the best way to stop services (for example, the mysql server) from starting at boot time? I remember there being a command |
| 14:35.13 | lvh | i want to keep /etc/init.d/mysql, i just don't want it starting at boot time |
| 14:35.19 | Nigromante | you can use bum (graphical boot editor) |
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| 14:35.37 | lvh | nah, there was a cli tool too |
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| 14:35.47 | Nigromante | yes, i dont remember |
| 14:35.51 | stew | lvh: use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 14:35.52 | the_lalelu | hmmm, update-rc.d |
| 14:36.16 | jeffwheeler | What does gnuab after a package name on packages.debian.org mean? I can't seem to find the package (emacs-snapshot, unstable) in the repos though -- is this a different section? |
| 14:36.42 | Nigromante | sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:36.44 | Nigromante | that is |
| 14:37.22 | stew | jeffwheeler: -snapshot is no longer in debian, the maintainer keeps it in hiw own repository now |
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| 14:37.52 | lvh | thanks |
| 14:37.56 | stew | jeffwheeler: http://emacs.orebokech.com/ |
| 14:38.11 | edistar_ | what is bootclean? |
| 14:38.11 | jeffwheeler | stew: oh, okay; what does the gnuab part mean, then? |
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| 14:38.19 | jeffwheeler | stew: thanks |
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| 14:39.09 | stew | jeffwheeler: i don't know. where exactly are you seeing that? |
| 14:39.47 | jeffwheeler | stew: this page: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/emacs-snapshot, in red on the right side of the title |
| 14:40.11 | the_lalelu | jesus, wtf - somebody from #debian tries to dcc me from port 0. how clever ... kiddie time in #debian? |
| 14:40.18 | JeremyK | topic |
| 14:40.20 | JeremyK | err |
| 14:40.21 | DudeMan | In KDEInfo under PCI it sees onboard audio, but not in SOUND menu/icon. Possible driver issue? |
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| 14:40.31 | Ronin | the_lalelu: been that way for a while, we've had troll issues the last couple of days |
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| 14:41.18 | stew | jeffwheeler: dunno |
| 14:41.28 | jeffwheeler | stew: mmk, well thanks anyways for the link :) |
| 14:41.38 | stew | i'd guess it was some kind of a freebsd specific something or other |
| 14:41.49 | stew | (since that package is only seeming available for kfreebsd |
| 14:41.53 | jeffwheeler | yeah, I noticed that |
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| 14:42.32 | the_lalelu | Ronin: well ... if he has to much open ports to waste it with such useless crap (the word "attack" isnt worth for this) ... |
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| 14:43.41 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: gnuab is the host for kfreebsd and hurd repository |
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| 14:57.51 | farseer_ | Hello! I have the weirdest problem ever... i did this "userdel -r name-of-user", and then of a sudden.. files in other directories starting to dissapear. files that not is owned byt that user |
| 14:57.55 | farseer_ | wtf??? |
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| 14:58.33 | Schampong | Hmm, a typo? |
| 14:58.59 | farseer_ | Schampong, hm.. sounds weird if its just a typo |
| 14:59.05 | quigley3 | which pkg can i use for displaying, creating and playing sheet music? |
| 14:59.07 | farseer_ | why would all files be deleted? |
| 14:59.23 | Schampong | farseer_: type "which userdel". |
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| 14:59.40 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok one sec |
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| 15:00.06 | devurandom | Hello! |
| 15:00.14 | farseer_ | Schampong, /usr/sbin/usrdel |
| 15:00.14 | DevideZero | that is what im tlaking about so someone know about audio player taht let me choose the tags encode ? |
| 15:00.20 | Schampong | is userdel the original binary userdel or is it a script? |
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| 15:00.41 | farseer_ | Schampong, its the original that came with debian.. i have done nothing to it |
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| 15:00.48 | Schampong | hmm |
| 15:01.11 | devurandom | How do you format a RC in a versionstring? Just like 1.2.3_rc1-0 or something different? |
| 15:01.23 | Schampong | you do have history in yout console? |
| 15:01.25 | farseer_ | Schampong, it's binary btw. I opened it with nano. No script |
| 15:01.39 | farseer_ | Schampong, yes |
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| 15:02.17 | Schampong | hmm. maybe that user didn't exist earlier. Don't know so far |
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| 15:03.08 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok, then there is a problem with userdel... if i do "userdel -r name-of-non-existing-user" , and it starts erasing files randomly... then there is a bug |
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| 15:03.55 | Schampong | maybe. |
| 15:04.02 | Schampong | try "echo $MAIL_DIR" |
| 15:04.10 | gladiatr | howdy. is there a package that includes scripts to establish and mount loopback devices at boot-up? |
| 15:04.19 | claudio` | What SMTP client do you use? |
| 15:04.20 | Schampong | cause userdel seems to erase this dir too |
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| 15:04.30 | Nigromante | exim4 |
| 15:04.32 | farseer_ | Schampong, that's wrong too.. i know 100% sure that the user existed. after i did deluser |
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| 15:04.43 | Nigromante | ups |
| 15:04.46 | claudio` | Nigromante: that isn't a client :p |
| 15:04.50 | Nigromante | yes |
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| 15:05.03 | claudio` | Nigromante: i can replace fetchmail with exim4? |
| 15:05.07 | claudio` | "can i" |
| 15:05.10 | farseer_ | Schampong, $Mail_DIR is empty |
| 15:05.19 | Nigromante | was a mistake |
| 15:05.28 | Nigromante | yes, you are right |
| 15:05.51 | claudio` | Nigromante: too cool to be true ;) |
| 15:06.00 | farseer_ | Schampong, that user i tried to delete had no shell acess btw |
| 15:06.16 | Nigromante | you can use Evolution |
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| 15:06.24 | Schampong | farseer_: very strange. where there some hard/soft links from that users directory to some other directories |
| 15:06.25 | Schampong | ? |
| 15:06.25 | claudio` | Nigromante: i'm tired to use fetchmail. Do i need a good client with can encrypt my password easily. Any idea? |
| 15:06.38 | claudio` | Nigromante: does it works on console? |
| 15:06.42 | Nigromante | no |
| 15:06.45 | claudio` | uh |
| 15:06.47 | claudio` | next ;) |
| 15:06.52 | Nigromante | mutt? |
| 15:07.13 | farseer_ | Schampong, oh.. crap.. YES!! i had that user soft linked to tons of files (music mp3s) |
| 15:07.16 | claudio` | mutt is not a SMTP client, AFAIK |
| 15:07.33 | Nigromante | ah ok, i never used it |
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| 15:07.55 | Schampong | farseer_: So I hope you have backups :) |
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| 15:08.42 | farseer_ | I had done this: mount --bind /other/place to that users homedir! :((((( didn't know usdel would delete those files as well! |
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| 15:09.02 | farseer_ | err, userdel |
| 15:10.14 | farseer_ | Schampong, is there a way do see which files were erased? syslog? |
| 15:10.51 | farseer_ | Schampong, bad thing userdel will delete linked files :(( |
| 15:11.26 | Schampong | ähh, if you do mount --bind, than you have 2 places in the logical file tree that contains exactly the same thing. if delete, rename, copy, modify a file in one place, the same happens to the other place, as both are just references to the same files!!! |
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| 15:11.47 | Nigromante | claudio`, you can use standard mail and exim4 as local smtp gateway |
| 15:11.56 | Schampong | farseer_: You shouldn't have used --bind in the first place for that kind of link! |
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| 15:12.04 | megasquid | I have an AMD Opteron 246 server with 6GB of ram, but only 4GB shows, which kernel do I need to install? |
| 15:12.22 | Schampong | megasquid: desktop or server? |
| 15:12.30 | farseer_ | Schampong, hm.. is there another way? |
| 15:12.35 | megasquid | Schampong, server |
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| 15:12.52 | Schampong | Hmm: what filesystem where the files on? |
| 15:12.52 | claudio` | Nigromante: ..and how can i get the mail from the smarthost? |
| 15:13.00 | Schampong | (ext2/3, xfs, reiserfs...) |
| 15:13.02 | farseer_ | Schampong, ext3 |
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| 15:13.17 | Nigromante | with a pop3 client |
| 15:13.41 | Nigromante | pine was very popular too |
| 15:13.47 | claudio` | Nigromante: this is exactly what i'm looking for. I would like to replace fetchmail with some other thing. |
| 15:13.55 | Schampong | farseer_: IMMEDIATELY force to unmount this partiton. do to tty1 via Ctrl+Alt+F1. login to your root user. type "init 1" |
| 15:14.15 | claudio` | Nigromante: i didn't know pine was a POP3 client. |
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| 15:14.24 | Schampong | and remount that partition read only: "mount -o remount,ro $your partition" |
| 15:14.35 | farseer_ | Schampong, wait one sec! must check.. could be reiserfx |
| 15:14.38 | claudio` | Nigromante: anyway, i don't like it. I already use mutt as MTA and fetchmail to fetch the mail from the POP3. Now i have to replace fetchmail with some better tool. |
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| 15:14.48 | lupine_screen | claudio`: a better tool than fetchmail? Gee... |
| 15:14.55 | Nigromante | you can use mutt with msmtp |
| 15:15.04 | Schampong | and then use the tool that was supplied for dealing with the filesystem journal |
| 15:15.15 | megasquid | Schampong, any suggestions on how I can access that ram on the server? |
| 15:15.28 | claudio` | Nigromante: does msmtp is a SMTP client? ;) |
| 15:15.30 | claudio` | lupine_screen: yeah |
| 15:15.35 | lupine_screen | ;) |
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| 15:15.43 | sf7_ | i cant record using my mic. (etch, thinkpad t30). no error from audacity, just no sound. alsamixer seems ok. can someone help? |
| 15:16.00 | Nigromante | google mutt smtp |
| 15:16.05 | Schampong | farseer_: btw: you shouldn't remount,ro all filesystems, just that one where the files were on |
| 15:16.11 | Nigromante | i found the article |
| 15:16.14 | claudio` | Nigromante: again, i have to *fetch* the mail, not send or read it. |
| 15:16.25 | farseer_ | Schampong, i'ts ext3 |
| 15:16.34 | r-wolf | no sound on etch under vmware, how to track the problem? /dev/dsp exists, "cat junk>/dev/dsp" does make the noise |
| 15:16.36 | Nigromante | what do you mean by fetch |
| 15:16.37 | lupine_screen | claudio`: someone did write a fetchmail replacement, but I forget it's name |
| 15:16.58 | lupine_screen | google for "eric raymond is a cunt" and you'll probably find it ;) |
| 15:17.05 | farseer_ | Schampong, okay, after i unmount? |
| 15:17.10 | claudio` | Nigromante: receive the mail from my mail server. |
| 15:17.22 | Nigromante | ok thats a MUA |
| 15:17.33 | Nigromante | smtp is used for sending |
| 15:17.34 | megasquid | I have an AMD Opteron 246 server with 6GB of ram, but only 4GB shows, which kernel do I need to install? |
| 15:17.37 | Schampong | farseer_: good. There are some tools to extract the journal of ext3. I or you just have too look which this is |
| 15:17.41 | darrh00 | lupine_screen:what is cunt? |
| 15:17.53 | lupine_screen | an insulting term when applied to a person |
| 15:17.56 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok |
| 15:17.57 | claudio` | nevyn: not at all |
| 15:18.00 | claudio` | ops |
| 15:18.00 | lupine_screen | also slang for vagina |
| 15:18.04 | claudio` | Nigromante: not at all |
| 15:18.10 | Nigromante | ? |
| 15:18.13 | claudio` | Nigromante: i have to *get* not *send* |
| 15:18.27 | claudio` | Nigromante: exim4 send, mutt/pine read, fetchmail get. |
| 15:18.28 | Nigromante | so you dont need smtp |
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| 15:18.37 | claudio` | Nigromante: in fact, i need a fetchmail replacement. |
| 15:18.56 | lupine_screen | claudio`: getmail ; procmail |
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| 15:19.12 | claudio` | lupine_screen: procmail is not a POP3 client, it's just a mail filter |
| 15:19.16 | Nigromante | what kind of get protocol you need, pop3 or imap |
| 15:19.18 | farseer_ | Schampong, tune2fs ? |
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| 15:19.19 | claudio` | lupine_screen: i don't know getmail |
| 15:19.59 | lupine_screen | http://freshmeat.net/projects/getmail/ |
| 15:20.48 | Schampong | farseer_: maybe. I don't use ext3, so you hav to check the manuels of the e2fsprogs yourself. |
| 15:20.55 | claudio` | lupine_screen: do you send the password in clear with fetchmail? |
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| 15:21.18 | Schampong | farseer_: the goal is to dump the current journal of the partition where the files were on. |
| 15:21.26 | lupine_screen | claudio`: depends, I would suspect |
| 15:21.28 | Schampong | So it's important to unmount the partition |
| 15:21.45 | lupine_screen | if it doesn't have support for multiple login schemas, I would be very surprised |
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| 15:22.00 | wols | megasquid: does your BIOS show 6GB? |
| 15:22.01 | claudio` | lupine_screen: this is why i want to replace it. |
| 15:22.13 | farseer_ | Schampong, hm.. that sounds a bit hard? |
| 15:22.17 | Nigromante | does your server support ssl or tls? |
| 15:22.22 | wols | megasquid: also, are you running amd64 or i396 platform of debian |
| 15:22.23 | megasquid | wols, yes the bios shows 6GB |
| 15:22.31 | claudio` | Nigromante: not all my servers. |
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| 15:22.35 | Schampong | as soon as possible, cause every read/write/list access to it chages its journal and may override some file transactions that got saved when you ran userdel |
| 15:22.38 | claudio` | Nigromante: only GMail supports SSL. |
| 15:22.39 | Schampong | farseer_: |
| 15:22.42 | lupine_screen | claudio`: I would suggest reading the manual and finding out |
| 15:22.49 | megasquid | wols, current kernel is 2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 15:22.50 | Nigromante | ok |
| 15:23.11 | claudio` | lupine_screen: i'd read the FAQs which says that there is no way to crypt the password if the server doesn't support it. |
| 15:23.12 | wols | megasquid: that's your problem. either use a amd64 kernel or maybe better yet, install debian for amd64 |
| 15:23.31 | lupine_screen | claudio`: there you go then |
| 15:23.38 | Nigromante | claudio`, http://bronski.net/data/fetchmail-eng.php |
| 15:23.43 | megasquid | wols, can i just apt-get the amd64 kernel? |
| 15:23.47 | wols | !info linux-image-amd64 etch |
| 15:23.50 | farseer_ | Schampong, what should i use instead of mount --bind ? |
| 15:23.52 | lupine_screen | megasquid: nope |
| 15:23.53 | dpkg | linux-image-amd64: (Linux kernel image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 15:24.16 | lupine_screen | it's compiled with k8 optimisations, but it's 32-bit code |
| 15:24.19 | wols | lupine_screen: dpkg seems to disagree with you |
| 15:24.20 | lupine_screen | at least, AIUI |
| 15:24.25 | claudio` | Nigromante: no much useful if the server doesn't supports SSL. |
| 15:24.38 | lupine_screen | still, give it a go and let me know if it lets you run 64-bit userspace code |
| 15:24.38 | wols | lupine_screen: then it were a K8 kernel, not a amd64 one |
| 15:24.45 | Schampong | farseer_: symbolic links (or maybe hardlincs if the home directory is on the same filesystem than the files) |
| 15:24.48 | lupine_screen | just try it |
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| 15:24.58 | Nigromante | claudio`, well, in that case there is NOTHING you can do |
| 15:24.59 | wols | lupine_screen: and yes, you can run a 64bit kernel in 32bit debian |
| 15:25.03 | lupine_screen | the filename, incidentally, will end _i386.deb |
| 15:25.03 | sf7_ | help help mic no worky SOS ne1? :) |
| 15:25.11 | lupine_screen | wols: I know that, at least :) |
| 15:25.17 | lupine_screen | I've done it before |
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| 15:25.30 | Schampong | farseer_: But I would really suggest to first remount the filesystem where your files were on readonly, with "mount -o remount,ro $filesystem" as root |
| 15:25.53 | claudio` | Nigromante: there are differents capabilities supported by the mail servers other than SSL, i guess. |
| 15:25.58 | sf7_ | s kinda an essential bit for a voice recog package |
| 15:26.03 | lupine_screen | Nigromante: he could use md5sums /as/ the passwords and encrypt them on his/her side ;) |
| 15:26.11 | Nigromante | yes |
| 15:26.19 | lupine_screen | bit of a waste of time though |
| 15:26.24 | Nigromante | so you must ask your mail provider... |
| 15:26.32 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok, but what will that do? |
| 15:26.43 | claudio` | Nigromante: i only need to use fetchmail -v |grep -A 10 CAPA :p |
| 15:26.46 | claudio` | Nigromante: THX anyway. |
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| 15:27.33 | Schampong | the command I wrote you will remount the filesystem where your files where on as read only, so the journal won't get updated anymore, which is crucial if you want to retrieve the names of the files that got deleted |
| 15:27.36 | Schampong | farseer_: |
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| 15:28.41 | farseer_ | Schampong, oh okay |
| 15:28.44 | Schampong | You will just be able to see which files where deleted, but you won't be able to retrieve the actual |
| 15:28.59 | Schampong | the actual ones |
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| 15:29.31 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok but where can i browse that list? are those stored in the journal? |
| 15:30.07 | Schampong | first: did that command work? or did mount reported an or? |
| 15:30.20 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok, one sec. |
| 15:31.00 | Schampong | Another thing: is the filesystem where the deleted are on the same where your current user home directory is on? |
| 15:32.10 | Schampong | I mean: you must ensure that the filesystem that you want to remount as readonly is not in use by the current user (if you are using something like a window manager, e.g. GNOME, KDE, X...) |
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| 15:33.44 | farseer_ | Schampong, it worked.. got no error |
| 15:34.54 | farseer_ | Schampong, the user homedir is on hdb2, and the files were on hdb6 |
| 15:35.00 | farseer_ | Schampong, both ext3 |
| 15:35.07 | Schampong | farseer_: fine |
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| 15:36.08 | Schampong | now we have to look a bit deeper in the tune2fs debu2fs manuels with "man tune2fs" or "debug2fs", cause I don't know which one to use for extractint the journal and how to do that with ext3 |
| 15:36.37 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok. so you are sure it's one of them? |
| 15:39.08 | joneskoo_ | I wonder what liloconfig expects to find |
| 15:39.09 | farseer_ | Schampong, dumpe2fs ? |
| 15:39.30 | joneskoo_ | I've chrooted from a live to target and installed lilo |
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| 15:40.00 | joneskoo_ | when I run liloconfig it says "I think you're configuring the base filesystem and I'm therefore simply going to exit successfully without trying to actually configure LILO properly. |
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| 15:40.25 | joneskoo_ | If you're not doing that, this is an important bug against Debian's lilo package, and should be reported as such." |
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| 15:41.21 | megasquid | wols, so is this kernel completely stable on a 32 bit chip? |
| 15:41.21 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:41.47 | DexterF | lpr says "no standard target available" - what is this |
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| 15:43.14 | joneskoo_ | oh, I figured it out |
| 15:43.16 | Schampong | farseer_: do you have some Megabytes free space left somewhere to put the journal on? (but not on the actual filesystem where the files were on) |
| 15:43.29 | joneskoo_ | I had to remove a commented line from fstab (fstab placeholder) |
| 15:43.49 | farseer_ | Schampong, on a different partition, yes. |
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| 15:43.52 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 15:44.13 | fas3r | it's possible to use openvpn with freeradius eap - tls ? |
| 15:45.29 | farseer_ | Schampong, the files aren't that important. but the list of what was deleted is... |
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| 15:46.20 | Schampong | farseer_: good, type on a console as root: "debugfs -R 'logdump $FULL_PATH_FOR_LOGDUMP' /dev/hdb6" and replace $FULL_PATH_FOR_LOGDUMP with the full path to a file that should contain the logdump, for example "/logdump.txt" |
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| 15:48.36 | Schampong | farseer_: I have no idea how verbose the default ext3 journal log dump is, but there are probably ways to retrieve the list of files which where last accessed/deleted. |
| 15:49.21 | Schampong | farseer_: In case you have bad luck, you will only get a list of last inode numbers which where accessed, which would made the whole thing more difficult |
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| 15:50.41 | Schampong | farseer_: And maybe the files which got deleted aren't anymore in the journal. But that depends on how big the journal is. |
| 15:50.46 | tatoo | hello all, if you want to change your bootup linux logo to an debian bootup logo (using vesab) it's now possible , i created patch to add this support into kernel , not necessary but it's well enough :) |
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| 15:52.34 | farseer_ | Schampong, Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while opening filesystem |
| 15:52.34 | farseer_ | logdump: Filesystem not open |
| 15:53.31 | farseer_ | oops.. forgot---- > '' |
| 15:53.39 | Schampong | farseer_: It may be that you can only dump the journal with of a mounted filesystem. |
| 15:54.20 | farseer_ | Schampong, ok it worked. but the file is ONLY 44 bytes |
| 15:54.23 | Schampong | so type as root: "mount -o remount,rw /dev/hdb6" and then retype the command to dump the journal I gave you above |
| 15:54.40 | Schampong | what does the file say? |
| 15:54.44 | megasquid | is there a development package for debian that includes mkmf? |
| 15:54.52 | Schampong | (open with any text editor) |
| 15:55.00 | farseer_ | Schampong, Journal starts at block 0, transaction 9210 |
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| 15:55.58 | nem|afk | megasquid: apt-cache search mkmf |
| 15:56.07 | Schampong | farseer_: type "mount -o remount,rw /dev/hdb6" and then retry the logdump command |
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| 15:57.57 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:58.36 | farseer_ | Schampong, same result :(( |
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| 15:59.04 | roym | Hi folks, I try: |
| 15:59.04 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.04 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.04 | roym | How can I fix this? |
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| 15:59.18 | Schampong | farseer_: did you reboot your machine between now and after the files were deleted? |
| 15:59.26 | farseer_ | Schampong, no |
| 15:59.30 | roym | Hi folks, I try: |
| 15:59.30 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.30 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.33 | roym | How can I fix this? |
| 15:59.55 | Schampong | Hmm, strange |
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| 16:01.06 | farseer_ | Schampong, i know :/ |
| 16:02.09 | Schampong | farseer_: Well, in such a situation I would start using a hex or disc editor to view the raw content of that filesystem. |
| 16:02.38 | Schampong | farseer_: But I wouldn't advise you to do so cause that requires some experience |
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| 16:03.32 | SmallR2002 | what's the tar option to split a file up |
| 16:03.33 | farseer_ | Schampong, Well, I have never done that :/ |
| 16:03.45 | SmallR2002 | i keep forgetting it and can never find it in man either >.< |
| 16:03.45 | relik | hello people |
| 16:03.49 | relik | Hello, i have a strange problem. I want to move a directory (700 GB) to an encrypted container (free space 1 TB). When i try to move i get the following error message: mv: inter-device move failed: `imaging' to `security/crypt/imaging';unable to remove target: Is a directory |
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| 16:05.06 | Nyle | hey |
| 16:05.11 | Nyle | what the hell happened in here |
| 16:05.40 | Nyle | 04:33 DCC SEND from zuib [0.0.0.0 port 0]: I_SMELL_NIGGER [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
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| 16:05.52 | Nyle | i got like millions of these as soon as I woke up |
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| 16:05.56 | Nyle | goddamit |
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| 16:06.20 | azeem | Nyle: YHBT |
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| 16:06.29 | farseer_ | Schampong, i dont understand why i don't get any output with logdump.. just that one line |
| 16:06.29 | Nyle | azeem: I'm sorry? |
| 16:06.38 | azeem | you (or rather, we) have been trolled |
| 16:06.41 | Nyle | ahh |
| 16:06.58 | azeem | you can't really do much against professional trolls |
| 16:07.01 | Nyle | its ok |
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| 16:07.06 | Nyle | I'm totally zen |
| 16:07.06 | clahey | Hey there, I'm trying to debug my debian exim setup. |
| 16:07.17 | Nyle | no anger here, ommmm |
| 16:07.28 | Schampong | farseer_: I never used ext3 before, but I'm trying to reproduce your situation on my computer with a loop, but that will take a few minutes |
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| 16:07.41 | clahey | I'm getting: 6249 == aliasedaddress <originaladdress> R=local_user T=mail_spool defer (13): Permission denied: creating lock file hitching post /var/mail/fake_lock_name.46fe77d0.0000186a (euid=1001 egid=8) |
| 16:07.50 | clahey | My /var/mail directory is owned by root:man |
| 16:07.57 | farseer_ | Schampong, cool :)) |
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| 16:08.05 | Nyle | clahey: haha |
| 16:08.28 | clahey | Nyle: Explain why this is funny? |
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| 16:09.17 | Sponzor | i did apt-get install phpsysinfo |
| 16:09.20 | Sponzor | how to configure it??! |
| 16:09.22 | Nyle | because it was like a random statement. You were like, 'hey there, im trying to debut my debian exim setup.' thats all you said hehe |
| 16:09.35 | Nyle | try the whole thing on one line |
| 16:09.52 | Nyle | but nevermind |
| 16:09.59 | clahey | I'm trying to debug exim. I'm getting: 6249 == aliasedaddress <originaladdress> R=local_user T=mail_spool defer (13): Permission denied: creating lock file hitching post /var/mail/fake_lock_name.46fe77d0.0000186a (euid=1001 egid=8) My /var/mail directory is owned by root:man |
| 16:10.03 | clahey | There you go. :) |
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| 16:10.24 | clahey | Nyle: Man, I was hoping you thought the actual question was funnily easy to solve. :) |
| 16:10.25 | Nyle | so fix your permissions |
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| 16:10.35 | Nyle | oh no I don't do exim i have no idea |
| 16:10.44 | Nyle | but it seems like a permission issue surely |
| 16:11.05 | Nyle | maybe |
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| 16:11.20 | r-wolf | no sound on etch under vmware, how to track the problem? /dev/dsp exists, "cat junk>/dev/dsp" does make the noise |
| 16:11.31 | clahey | Nyle: Yeah, but I don't want to randomly change permissions and possibly break things further, so I was hoping to speak to someone who knew more specifically. |
| 16:11.34 | odla | r-wolf: have you tried alsaconf? |
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| 16:11.42 | Nyle | clahey: which isn't me |
| 16:11.50 | r-wolf | odla: hm, no; just a minute |
| 16:11.51 | Nyle | ~sadly enough |
| 16:11.57 | odla | r-wolf: try alsaconf as root |
| 16:12.14 | clahey | Nyle: Thanks for trying. :) |
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| 16:12.39 | farseer_ | Schampong, i've solved it |
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| 16:13.41 | Sponzor | anybody? |
| 16:13.44 | farseer_ | Schampong, debugfs /dev/hdb6 + debugfs cd /my/dir + debugfs ls -d ---> list of deleted files =) |
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| 16:15.49 | roym | hi - fuser and lsof both indicate no process are accessing a mount point; however attempting to unmount gives me a "device is busy" message; how can I get past this? |
| 16:15.59 | r-wolf | odla: alsaconf reloaded drivers, sound didn't appear |
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| 16:16.14 | odla | r-wolf: alsamixer as normal user and make sure that volume is up? |
| 16:16.20 | \amethyst | roym: is something mounted on a subdirectory? |
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| 16:16.39 | roym | \amethyst: nope |
| 16:16.43 | r-wolf | odla: it is |
| 16:17.17 | odla | r-wolf: well ... are your sound modules loaded and supported by alsa? |
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| 16:19.11 | r-wolf | odla: an update: after master volume raised to 100% sound appeared |
| 16:19.32 | r-wolf | odla: at 75% it completely fades away |
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| 16:19.56 | r-wolf | well, at last it works ) |
| 16:20.08 | odla | r-wolf: strange ... but that's good |
| 16:20.43 | Sponzor | http://rafb.net/p/0hD6m247.html |
| 16:20.44 | Sponzor | where is |
| 16:20.47 | Sponzor | that folder? |
| 16:20.58 | ribnitz | Heyas.. any of you managed to write a 16x specified (certified) dvd at 16x? I am currently only getting 6-8x speed on media. |
| 16:21.27 | ribnitz | (using growisofs in linux) |
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| 16:21.50 | wols | ribnitz: media sucks |
| 16:22.00 | wols | especially high speed DVD media |
| 16:22.19 | Sponzor | anybody? |
| 16:23.25 | zinx | ribnitz: i can write mine at 16x (towards the end of the disk anyway) |
| 16:24.03 | ribnitz | wols: thats a 16x certified memorex(dvd+r); same results with tdk DVD-R |
| 16:24.19 | wols | Sponzor: /var/www/ |
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| 16:25.10 | ribnitz | zinx: perhaps my burner sux.. |
| 16:25.16 | Schampong | farseer_: good. lucky boy |
| 16:25.52 | farseer_ | Schampong, well, now i got the list. but from here i dont know what to do :( saw there were some important files that got deleted. sadly |
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| 16:26.57 | Schampong | farseer_: Well, you need a backup of your original files, or else you won't be able to restore them. |
| 16:27.15 | farseer_ | Schampong, i dont :( |
| 16:28.04 | Schampong | last change: use some recovery tools. But as far as i know, many good ones are a bit costy |
| 16:28.36 | zinx | ribnitz: or your media |
| 16:28.45 | Schampong | Maybe there are some free recovery tools for the ext3 filesystem. |
| 16:28.52 | zinx | ribnitz: only DVD+R media i know of that doesn't suck is Verbatim |
| 16:29.15 | zinx | ribnitz: i'm sure there are others, but that's the only one know of that consistently doesn't suck |
| 16:29.30 | ribnitz | zinx: As I said, tried both TDK, and Memorex, TDK is DVD-R, Memorex is +R. |
| 16:29.31 | rmaj_ | help, my keyboard gone crazy |
| 16:29.42 | zinx | ribnitz: Memorex is always crap, TDK DVDs are usually crap |
| 16:29.52 | ribnitz | rmaj_: get it to an asylum? ;) |
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| 16:29.59 | Schampong | farseer_: but you must take into account to have enough additional storage to but the recovered files on. This depends on how many deleted files you want to recover |
| 16:30.07 | rmaj_ | when I press a key, it sometimes (about 1 in 100) repeats self from 20 to 500 times. It happens for combined keys that is like ctrl+ or alt+ |
| 16:30.17 | farseer_ | Schampong, well.. thanks for your help! i appreciated it! now i only need to figure out how to "link" directories to other places... soft/hard links? |
| 16:30.19 | zinx | ribnitz: dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cdrom | grep 'Media ID' |
| 16:30.22 | ribnitz | zinx: What about SOny? |
| 16:30.27 | zinx | ribnitz: from that you can figure out whether you have decent media or crap media |
| 16:30.34 | Schampong | farseer_: I huess if it were some of your mp3s and movies, than it may be somewhat |
| 16:30.46 | zinx | ribnitz: CMC MAG is bottom of the barrel :D |
| 16:30.50 | nvz | rmaj_: sounds like your keyboard or keyboard port is fried |
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| 16:31.15 | zinx | ribnitz: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm |
| 16:31.16 | nvz | I'd choaking the chicken so close to the keyboard if I were you |
| 16:31.48 | nvz | s,I'd,I'd stop, |
| 16:31.50 | Schampong | farseer_: I recommand soft links. use "ln -s link_name link_target" |
| 16:31.59 | xtor_ | Is "/usr/bin/logger" a normal service for a root session to be running...as a process? I did a ps au and I saw "logger -p daemon.err -t mysqld_safe -i -t mysqld" in the process lists but I don't remember running that at all |
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| 16:32.10 | farseer_ | Schampong, well. i will survive :(( but, can you link a directory? |
| 16:32.34 | grangiz | ivazquez, mharris_x (marris teh bitchsucker) |
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| 16:33.00 | Schampong | use "man ln" for more info. Most file managers from KDE, Gnome got easy drag and drop built-in symbolic link capabilities |
| 16:33.37 | grangiz | mharris is gay |
| 16:33.43 | Schampong | farseer_: sure. you can link almost anything. including: regular files, directories, other symbolic links, sockets, pipes, device files... |
| 16:33.51 | grangiz | He has always been so... |
| 16:34.50 | Schampong | farseer_: and symbolic links can link to almost anything on other filesystems. |
| 16:35.00 | fas3r | it's possible to create a vpn after radius authentification ? |
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| 16:35.27 | grangiz | Everything is always possible |
| 16:35.56 | farseer_ | Schampong, ln -s test /mnt/ftp/ftp/Film ... i dont get a link. "test" is not created |
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| 16:36.10 | Schampong | hmm |
| 16:36.31 | grangiz | grangiz m_harris DU Ă„R EN HORA DIN LILLA SLAMPA! |
| 16:36.35 | farseer_ | Schampong, it's the other way around ;) |
| 16:36.45 | grangiz | Microsoft Hora :=) |
| 16:36.49 | Schampong | farseer_: sorry, i swapped the order of link_name and link_target |
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| 16:36.59 | farseer_ | Schampong, yeah, saw that ;) |
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| 16:38.29 | farseer_ | Schampong, sweet :D works lika a charm :P |
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| 16:40.06 | ribnitz | zinx: CMCMAG/M01; first entry under third quality. |
| 16:40.18 | zinx | ribnitz: it's junk :) |
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| 16:41.08 | tarrybone | just to confirm: if i got a bunch of dcc garbage last night, and nothing untoward happened with my router or connection, im safe from that vuln? |
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| 16:42.04 | zinx | tarrybone: it was a flood afaik, not really a vulnerability exploit |
| 16:42.32 | tarrybone | zinx: my only info on it was reading scrollback, but some people were talking about a router issue it was trying to exploit |
| 16:42.52 | ribnitz | zinx: the TDK are TTH02; listed as last in First Quality.. |
| 16:43.18 | zinx | ribnitz: those are decent then |
| 16:43.28 | grangiz | Who am I ? |
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| 16:43.58 | ribnitz | zinx: so why can I burn them only at 8x, even though they are specified 16x? |
| 16:44.00 | zinx | ribnitz: so it'd probably be your drive on those.. do note that you don't get 16x only the whole disk, only on the latter parts |
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| 16:45.05 | ribnitz | zinx: Drive is a Samsung182M (TssT SH-S182M..) |
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| 16:47.57 | xand | tarrybone: the router exploits tend to kill your irc session |
| 16:48.19 | grangiz | ribnitz: Suck my balls Wabbit :=) |
| 16:48.56 | grangiz | The chnnel most viking like will get all the benefits |
| 16:50.04 | grangiz | I dont like the #ubuntu crap (May i dont get angry at them) |
| 16:50.47 | grangiz | Have a good time tonight bro Denver, texas, sassy and MAgnus! |
| 16:51.28 | grangiz | So sexxi jeffygay |
| 16:51.31 | grangiz | :=) |
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| 16:51.57 | stew | grangiz: please keep it on-topic |
| 16:52.02 | cahoot | drunk or troll or combination? |
| 16:52.39 | grangiz | Youll want GAdmin-Rsync stebitch :=) (I do love the dude but i love my lady more=) |
| 16:53.09 | stew | oh i remember this troll |
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| 16:54.05 | solemnwarning | I've gotten a new monitor, what HorizSync do I need for 1600x1200@75? |
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| 16:54.28 | xtor_ | RTFM |
| 16:54.29 | xand | ow 75Hz |
| 16:54.49 | stew | solemnwarning: especially if it is a new monitor, you should not need to specify horizsync, or vertrefresh, xorg should be able to detect those via EDID |
| 16:54.56 | xtor_ | I wish my LCD was 1600...I hate 1280 |
| 16:55.10 | solemnwarning | stew: Auto-detection isn't working |
| 16:55.12 | Schampong | I wish my CRT 1280, I hate 1024 |
| 16:55.23 | xand | I love my 1680x1050 LCD :) |
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| 16:55.49 | solemnwarning | The monitor can handle the res I just need the right HorizSync |
| 16:56.13 | xand | solemnwarning: look in the manual |
| 16:56.14 | solemnwarning | If I connect it to a windows machine it works fine at 1600x1200@75 |
| 16:56.17 | solemnwarning | I don't have a manual |
| 16:56.31 | xand | the internets have manuals |
| 16:56.42 | solemnwarning | And I can't find one |
| 16:56.44 | ribnitz | xand: internets? |
| 16:56.48 | solemnwarning | google found 2 useless results |
| 16:56.48 | xand | yes. |
| 16:56.53 | xand | what monitor is it? |
| 16:57.02 | solemnwarning | gnr PF997 super |
| 16:57.15 | Greyscale__ | How do I play a DVD? |
| 16:57.21 | Greyscale__ | What bits of gstreamer do I need? |
| 16:57.26 | eth01 | put it in the dvd drive |
| 16:57.27 | ribnitz | Greyscale__: get xine.. |
| 16:57.27 | solemnwarning | The 60Hz default is hurting my eyes >.< |
| 16:57.31 | eth01 | and press play |
| 16:57.33 | eth01 | LOL |
| 16:57.38 | jeffwheeler | Greyscale__: is it encrypted? |
| 16:57.47 | Greyscale__ | I don't think so |
| 16:57.47 | jeffwheeler | I.e., is it commercial? |
| 16:57.48 | Greyscale__ | maybe |
| 16:57.54 | Greyscale__ | Yes |
| 16:58.07 | ribnitz | Greyscale__: Install xine, or one of its variants.. |
| 16:58.14 | Greyscale__ | :/ |
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| 16:58.42 | jeffwheeler | You'll probably need to look in the non-free repositories; try searching for CSS in there, I seem to remember that's what it's called. |
| 16:58.42 | xand | !debian multimedia |
| 16:58.42 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:58.45 | nem75 | solemnwarning: http://www.amtiva.com/client/gnruk/downloads/specs/VL997.pdf |
| 16:58.52 | xand | it's in there, not in non-fre |
| 16:58.55 | nem75 | not really hard to find... |
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| 16:59.00 | solemnwarning | nem75: thanks |
| 16:59.05 | nem75 | yw |
| 16:59.05 | solemnwarning | Well I didn't find it :\ |
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| 16:59.27 | Borat | Visit www.bussamtal.se and www.alltplus.se |
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| 16:59.37 | xand | Borat: no |
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| 17:03.25 | darkapostrophe | Hello. My laptop doesn't seem to recognize its DVDr drive - almost as if it doesn't exist. Yet I used it to install Debian... :/ |
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| 17:04.23 | Roge | does anyone know how i can solve this issue http://www.pastebin.ca/719789 |
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| 17:05.54 | Greyscale | OK, what packages do I need to play a damn DVD |
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| 17:06.07 | xand | Greyscale: mplayer and libdvdcss IIRC |
| 17:06.14 | xand | from debian-multimedia |
| 17:06.23 | xingu | Greyscale: or just vlc |
| 17:06.24 | Greyscale | thanks |
| 17:06.37 | zinx | you still need libdvdcss for either, for most DVDs |
| 17:06.50 | zinx | and it's not legal in the US |
| 17:06.53 | Greyscale | No vlc package |
| 17:07.02 | Greyscale | I don't care/I don't live in the US :P |
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| 17:07.13 | zinx | vlc is in etch, lenny, and sid, as far as i know |
| 17:07.18 | zinx | !info vlc etch |
| 17:07.20 | Greyscale | I'm on lenny |
| 17:07.22 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 3188 kB |
| 17:07.23 | zinx | !info vlc lenny |
| 17:07.24 | Greyscale | !vlc lenny |
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| 17:07.34 | zinx | wow, it's not in lenny |
| 17:07.39 | zinx | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:07.39 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 17:07.40 | Greyscale | o.P |
| 17:07.48 | gileswwwrk_ | heya debheads |
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| 17:07.51 | gileswwwrk_ | lols |
| 17:07.53 | Retama | hola |
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| 17:08.01 | zinx | well, there you have it. |
| 17:08.04 | gileswwwrk_ | vlc have a debian repo |
| 17:08.14 | gileswwwrk_ | works for me on lenny |
| 17:08.17 | zinx | good ol' mips |
| 17:08.25 | Greyscale | fucks sake |
| 17:08.28 | Greyscale | damn mips |
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| 17:08.35 | Greyscale | gileswwwrk_, hit me with a link? |
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| 17:08.41 | sf7_ | i spent a whole day and still cant get my mic working :/ |
| 17:09.07 | Greyscale | gone to audio settings and turned the mic volume up? |
| 17:09.11 | gileswwwrk_ | err google vlc simple as that |
| 17:09.20 | gileswwwrk_ | i was suprised |
| 17:09.23 | sf7_ | alsamixer, yep |
| 17:09.27 | gileswwwrk_ | anydo's |
| 17:09.28 | Greyscale | Hokai |
| 17:09.34 | Greyscale | sf7, no, the gnome one |
| 17:09.42 | gileswwwrk_ | i need some help setting up a vncserver |
| 17:09.44 | Greyscale | double click the speaker in your taskbar |
| 17:09.59 | sf7_ | ya thats up too |
| 17:10.00 | darkapostrophe | Hello. My laptop doesn't seem to recognize its DVDr drive - almost as if it doesn't exist. Yet I used it to install Debian... :/ |
| 17:10.01 | gileswwwrk_ | before i put together an init script of my own am I missing something? |
| 17:10.36 | gileswwwrk_ | I installed vnc-common and tightvncserver |
| 17:10.41 | Greyscale | sf7, what audio chipset? |
| 17:10.43 | Sponzor | how to add user flags that he can do what ever he wants but he dont have more rights than root? |
| 17:10.49 | sf7_ | AC97 |
| 17:10.55 | sf7_ | its a thinkpad |
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| 17:10.58 | Greyscale | Dark_Apostrophe, what do you mean "doesn't recognise" |
| 17:11.05 | Greyscale | sf7, works fine on my thinkpad :D |
| 17:11.07 | Greyscale | What model?> |
| 17:11.09 | darkapostrophe | well, yes, Greyscale |
| 17:11.16 | sf7_ | T30, which model ru? |
| 17:11.19 | Greyscale | x24 |
| 17:11.31 | Greyscale | It "just works" by dragging up the gnome slider |
| 17:11.55 | fas3r | it's possible to create a vpn after with radius after eap tls authentification ? |
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| 17:12.23 | sf7_ | mine 'just doesnt' :) |
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| 17:15.03 | Greyscale | sf7, wiiierd |
| 17:15.42 | Greyscale | things "just work" on thinkpads |
| 17:15.42 | Greyscale | lemme looky |
| 17:15.42 | Greyscale | for sf7 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/AD1881A |
| 17:15.44 | Greyscale | thats info about your chipset from the thinkwiki |
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| 17:16.21 | Greyscale | Facking bot |
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| 17:16.32 | Greyscale | Why the cack did it kick me? |
| 17:17.01 | Tallu | Greyscale: maybe you lagged out, 4 lines within a few seconds |
| 17:17.05 | Greyscale | hey sf7, those links any good? |
| 17:17.10 | Greyscale | Bloody bot |
| 17:17.26 | Greyscale | it took about 60 seconds for it to realise I said stuff |
| 17:17.33 | Greyscale | and then kicked me |
| 17:17.37 | Greyscale | Bloody bot is lagging, man! |
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| 17:19.24 | Sponzor | anybody knows how to add flags |
| 17:19.29 | Sponzor | and what any flag means? |
| 17:19.32 | wols | !tell Greyscale about enter |
| 17:19.53 | Greyscale | !tell wols about feh |
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| 17:20.29 | wols | !ops vickybot is here again and answering on !tell triggers |
| 17:20.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: vickybot is here again and answering on !tell triggers |
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| 17:20.48 | wols | gracias |
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| 17:22.10 | flyinprogramer | ok, i'm being stupid |
| 17:22.12 | sf7_ | is ther ea special chan for hardware / driver probs? like mic not working? |
| 17:22.30 | flyinprogramer | just installed debian, the domain i specified in the install is not the one i wanted, how do i change it |
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| 17:22.55 | gileswwwrk_ | ./etc/hosts |
| 17:23.11 | flyinprogramer | thanks |
| 17:23.18 | flyinprogramer | sorry for my stupidity |
| 17:23.24 | gileswwwrk_ | then you can check with hostname and hostname -f |
| 17:23.35 | hark | flyinprogramer: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 17:23.44 | gileswwwrk_ | i didn't know a couple of months ago |
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| 17:24.19 | sf7_ | i saw a man with a steering wheel in his pants. asked him why. he said 'dunno m8 but its drivin' me nuts' |
| 17:24.41 | rmaj_ | I read that debian project is crippled by politics and endless debates of high "managment" (board?) how true is this? |
| 17:24.48 | sf7_ | anyway this is driving me nuts |
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| 17:25.15 | sf7_ | mebe its a debian bug..? |
| 17:25.18 | h3sp4wn | rmaj_: Not very true |
| 17:25.24 | wols | rmaj_: the same way that any western democracy is crippled by such debates |
| 17:25.58 | h3sp4wn | rmaj_: (well in a way that affects a user of sid) |
| 17:26.27 | wols | the main problem I see with debian management is whenver a new stable comes out they promise to delover the next stable release soon or at least sooner than last time |
| 17:26.30 | rmaj_ | hmm so why the GNOME Panel 2.14.3 is 1 year old? O_o |
| 17:26.31 | wols | they never manage to do it :) |
| 17:26.44 | wols | but as long as the result is good and truly stable, I don't care much |
| 17:26.58 | sf7_ | is sid after lenny? |
| 17:27.07 | wols | !tell sf7_ about sid faq |
| 17:27.23 | tt | Question: If i disable root login for ssh - What exactly will it do? Will it not allow direct root access (like ssh root@xxx.xxx.xxx) when logging in or will it prevent the user from running the su command? |
| 17:27.39 | dondelelcaro | tt: the former |
| 17:27.46 | rmaj_ | it would seem the software in testing is laggin a year behind? |
| 17:27.59 | tt | dondlelelcaro: direct root access? |
| 17:28.03 | xingu | the first question you have to ask when reading anything is "is this source credible"; and the second should be "and where is an independent source for these claims" shortly followed by "and what is the opposing view?" |
| 17:28.04 | wols | tt: yes |
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| 17:28.23 | tt | wols: Thanks. |
| 17:28.29 | xingu | I read all sorts of crazy shit all day long and I believe almost none of it. |
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| 17:28.56 | tt | xingo: Ha! Ofcourse you are right. |
| 17:29.06 | xingu | crap has no scarcity value, either in electronic or paper form |
| 17:29.19 | rmaj_ | is it true that now in debian we have a gnome from 2 years ago? (with bug fixes about a year old)? |
| 17:29.45 | wols | rmaj_: why don't you try to find out yourself? |
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| 17:30.09 | rmaj_ | I did and thoes are the conclusions... 2.18.3 is on gentoo for example |
| 17:30.11 | dondelelcaro | we have verisons of gnome that are older than that, yes. |
| 17:30.12 | streuner | wols: --- wooledge.org ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 17:30.25 | dondelelcaro | rmaj_: what do you think is in unstable? |
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| 17:30.35 | streuner | Is there a mirror for "sid faq"? |
| 17:31.08 | dondelelcaro | rmaj_: 2.14 was relatively current when etch was released; newer versions are in sid and lenny as is usual. |
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| 17:31.13 | rmaj_ | dondelelcaro: hmm I hoped that unstable will hold things like 1-2 months old, and testing 3-4 months old, not a year |
| 17:31.23 | Trewas | gnome 2.20 is (mostly) in sid which was released days ago, but it is true that gnome lagged behind during etch release and some time after that |
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| 17:31.53 | dondelelcaro | rmaj_: it depends on the package. If it's too old for you, then either help out, or use another distribution |
| 17:32.19 | rmaj_ | dondelelcaro: some things brake on my widescreen LCD / dualdisplay trouble.. |
| 17:32.29 | dondelelcaro | rmaj_: that has nothing to do with gnome |
| 17:32.43 | dondelelcaro | (and everything to do with X) |
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| 17:33.18 | rmaj_ | well my GNOME has trouble accomodating with changing size of desktop etc, and other box (gentoo) seems fine in this area... but I dunno, just guessing they fixed some problems over last year probably |
| 17:33.44 | rmaj_ | so, how can I help to not have debian algging? :) |
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| 17:34.04 | xand | the gnome in testing is quite new isn't it? |
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| 17:34.35 | dondelelcaro | rmaj_: you can triage bugs, file patches for existing bugs, reduce the size of testcases, learn how to package gnome packages and help the gnome maintainers, etc. |
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| 17:35.42 | dondelelcaro | rmaj_: see http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ for starters |
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| 17:41.11 | flyinprogramer | anyone know where you can set the hostname apache uses ? |
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| 17:43.09 | xingu | aah, bts 444036 |
| 17:43.18 | ribnitz | heyas again. |
| 17:44.14 | DawnLight | whats the best game in debian besides upgrading from sarge to sid? |
| 17:44.43 | DawnLight | and !~Ginterface::text-mode |
| 17:45.41 | ribnitz | DawnLight: That depends entirely. |
| 17:45.48 | ribnitz | !best |
| 17:45.48 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:45.56 | DawnLight | what do you like? |
| 17:46.26 | ribnitz | DawnLight: I rarely play, in linux. When I do, its probably freeciv... |
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| 17:46.56 | wols | does freeciv now have PC controlled civs? |
| 17:46.57 | xingu | DawnLight: bzflag is always good for a bit of stress relief |
| 17:47.12 | DawnLight | something that has continuity. perhaps an rpg? |
| 17:47.16 | ribnitz | Any unwanted side-effects from installing or running skype for linux? |
| 17:47.29 | zinx | ribnitz: probably. |
| 17:47.40 | wols | ribnitz: yes. a compromised network |
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| 17:47.48 | rmaj_ | DawnLight: enemy territory, doom3, termolous |
| 17:47.52 | ribnitz | DawnLight: to my knoweldge there are no non-textbased rpgs out there for linux |
| 17:47.53 | rmaj_ | tremulous actually |
| 17:48.30 | ribnitz | wols: Suppose I start it when I use it, and stop it afterwards? |
| 17:49.34 | DawnLight | thanks! |
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| 17:50.22 | darkapostrophe | Hello. My laptop doesn't seem to recognise its DVDr drive - almost as if it doesn't exist. Yet I used it to install Debian... :/ |
| 17:50.38 | zinx | darkapostrophe: ls -l /dev/cdrom doesn't show anything? |
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| 17:51.22 | pablo__ | hi, how can i remove an app from the menue? |
| 17:51.22 | darkapostrophe | zinx: No such file or directory |
| 17:51.32 | darkapostrophe | pablo__: kmenuedit? |
| 17:51.52 | xingu | darkapostrophe: pastebin dmesg and lspci somewhere |
| 17:52.02 | zinx | darkapostrophe: are you using the standard debian kernel? |
| 17:52.12 | darkapostrophe | xingu: ok |
| 17:52.17 | darkapostrophe | zinx: Yes |
| 17:52.18 | pablo__ | darkapostrophe: i am on gnome |
| 17:52.31 | darkapostrophe | pablo__: no idea then |
| 17:52.47 | zinx | darkapostrophe: that is indeed strange, pastebin the dmesg as xingu mentioned |
| 17:53.00 | darkapostrophe | working on it |
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| 17:53.29 | blaq | there is a file in /etc/ where I can manage which nic gets which name but I can't remember which file it was.. :/ |
| 17:53.45 | pablo__ | ist theare any gnome menu editor? |
| 17:53.53 | darkapostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/719824 |
| 17:53.57 | darkapostrophe | dmesg ^ |
| 17:54.10 | draeath | I just got debian on this laptop, no KDE or gnome (xfce). Is there a flexible way of using WPA? I want to have default settings but I also want to be able to connect to arbitrary networks with arbitrary settings and keys at will... |
| 17:54.40 | munga | Is the battery applet in unstable broken for everybody or just for me ? |
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| 17:55.06 | darkapostrophe | lspci http://pastebin.ca/719825 |
| 17:56.03 | munga | pablo__: I've seen it the other day ... but I don't remember the name... |
| 17:56.34 | darkapostrophe | draeath: I use wlanassistant, but that's a KDE app. Other than that, no idea. |
| 17:56.49 | pablo__ | munga: ok, so i will search |
| 17:56.49 | darkapostrophe | wlassistant* |
| 17:56.54 | zinx | darkapostrophe: you may be missing a module, though generally udev should load all the needed modules |
| 17:57.00 | draeath | darkapostrophe, i'm fine with running an application like that, but not something that would sit in the tray i think... |
| 17:57.10 | darkapostrophe | draeath: It doesn't |
| 17:57.23 | darkapostrophe | draeath: You start it, choose a network, once connected it disappears |
| 17:57.34 | draeath | sweet! |
| 17:57.37 | draeath | checking it out now... |
| 17:57.38 | darkapostrophe | zinx: So how do I find out? |
| 17:57.39 | munga | pablo__: alacarte |
| 17:58.19 | draeath | darkapostrophe, um, that program needs jackd? wtf? |
| 17:58.29 | zinx | darkapostrophe: modprobe ide-cd for starters |
| 17:58.37 | ribnitz | how do I set up a microphone with alsa? |
| 17:58.42 | darkapostrophe | draeath: Don't ask me, I'm not the maintainer. |
| 17:58.45 | pablo__ | munga: ok thanks |
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| 17:59.03 | darkapostrophe | zinx: ok |
| 17:59.05 | darkapostrophe | zinx: done |
| 17:59.12 | zinx | darkapostrophe: got a /dev/cdrom yet? |
| 17:59.16 | munga | ribnitz: plug the mix and adjust the volume ... |
| 17:59.24 | munga | ribnitz: plug the mix and adjust the volume ... |
| 17:59.38 | munga | ribnitz: MIC ... I mean MIC |
| 17:59.39 | darkapostrophe | zinx: no |
| 17:59.46 | draeath | darkapostrophe, ah nevermind, aptitude was set to pull recommended packages automatically |
| 17:59.48 | sf7_ | dayum.. looks like i hit a bug! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=430017#4 |
| 17:59.49 | darkapostrophe | zinx: Maybe it's a SATA drive? |
| 17:59.52 | DustyDingo | hm, this DCC exploit used by this stupid idot today, is it something to worry about? |
| 18:00.03 | darkapostrophe | draeath: I just use apt-get :p |
| 18:00.12 | xingu | darkapostrophe: looks to me like your HW isn't being found; the next part of this is finding out whether you have an ata dvdrom attached to one of the internal channels on the ich8, or, something more exotic going on (usb dvdr, or behind a pci<->pci bridge eg on a docking bay?) |
| 18:00.18 | sf7_ | i guess theres nowhere i can go now... just wait for someone to fix it |
| 18:00.21 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: not unless your client is vulnerable |
| 18:00.22 | DustyDingo | because i use irssi 0.8.9, which should be affected be it |
| 18:00.22 | zinx | darkapostrophe: well, your hard drive is |
| 18:00.29 | zinx | darkapostrophe: but all the SATA is integrated, i think |
| 18:00.48 | DustyDingo | dondelelcaro: is it just a dos attack, which can crash irssi? |
| 18:00.50 | munga | Did anybody manage to get the suspend2ram working with a dell x200 ? |
| 18:00.55 | draeath | darkapostrophe, basically the same thing, but aptitude has a package browser if you don't give it an argument :D |
| 18:00.59 | darkapostrophe | zinx: Pity I can't open it up and look - that's the problem with laptops :/ |
| 18:01.03 | zinx | darkapostrophe: sure it didn't get disabled in the bios somehow? |
| 18:01.28 | darkapostrophe | zinx: No, I recently used SpinRite so I know that at least at boot time, the drive works |
| 18:01.29 | xingu | darkapostrophe: the only ata device currently being found with the regular joe scan is the samsung hdd |
| 18:01.37 | draeath | Completely unrelated question: Will a SATA-300 drive work on a SATA-150 bus? |
| 18:01.51 | xingu | darkapostrophe: is it possible for you to look in windows device manager to glean what you can from there? |
| 18:01.56 | xingu | draeath: should do. |
| 18:02.02 | zinx | darkapostrophe: no idea, then :/ |
| 18:02.15 | darkapostrophe | xingu: :o Why do you think I have windows? |
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| 18:02.32 | xingu | darkapostrophe: because it's a notebook and they're damn difficult to buy without it? |
| 18:02.39 | xingu | a new notebook at that. |
| 18:02.42 | darkapostrophe | xingu: I bought this one without it |
| 18:02.43 | draeath | Any recommended (anti-recommended as well) SATA hard-drive brands? I'm looking for something to replace the ATA-100 in my desktop. |
| 18:02.56 | darkapostrophe | xingu: The manufacturer, a danish company called Zepto, allows for it |
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| 18:03.06 | darkapostrophe | xingu: That's the primary reason I bought this particular laptop |
| 18:03.20 | h3sp4wn | Can anyone recommend me an alternative to nullmailer that can use smtp over ssl |
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| 18:03.31 | h3sp4wn | (or tell me how to configure nullmailer to do that) |
| 18:03.37 | xingu | darkapostrophe: oh, so this is one of those shiny new mxm3 jobbies; did you get the 7950gtx or 8700? :) |
| 18:03.51 | darkapostrophe | 8600GT |
| 18:03.56 | xingu | hah. :) |
| 18:04.19 | darkapostrophe | It's a Zepto Znote 6625WD |
| 18:04.59 | xingu | darkapostrophe: right, so the challenge still remains; the easiest thing to do should be to id the actual dvd-r unit so that at least we know what *its* bus type is |
| 18:05.26 | darkapostrophe | Yeah, but how do I find that when I can't even see the device? |
| 18:05.40 | xingu | darkapostrophe: manuals or boot/bios messages? |
| 18:05.55 | darkapostrophe | BIOS has a splash screen |
| 18:06.47 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: actually, I don't know if that vulnerability ever affected Debian |
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| 18:07.48 | DustyDingo | as far as i can see, there are only dos attacks, which cause a client reconnect or crash, nothing more |
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| 18:09.32 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: yes, but that was in 2006, and I'm not sure if the Debian version of irssi was ever vulnerable to that bug |
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| 18:10.45 | darkapostrophe | xingu: Could I maybe use a LiveCD to determine the brand, model etc? |
| 18:11.23 | xingu | darkapostrophe: try "acpi=off" boot opt. |
| 18:11.36 | xingu | darkapostrophe: ref: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/139644 |
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| 18:12.47 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: at least, we haven't released a DSA for it, and it's almost certain that we would have |
| 18:13.16 | xingu | darkapostrophe: iff that "works" - pester zepto for a less broken bios. |
| 18:13.34 | darkapostrophe | They use PhoenixBIOS I think' |
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| 18:13.46 | xingu | yes, they would; it's a clevo afaik |
| 18:14.04 | xingu | it's almost identical to the rock x770 from memory; except the rock has an 8700 :) |
| 18:14.21 | blaq | I'd like to change the "name" of a nic from eth1 to eth0 because the installer automatically set firewire to eth0. there is a file in /etc/ where I can manage which nic gets which name but I can't remember which file it was.. :/ |
| 18:15.07 | xingu | !pnr |
| 18:15.07 | dpkg | pnr is, like, sticky network interface names are set in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules keyed by MAC address (for etherlike interfaces) and various other attributes |
| 18:15.40 | blaq | thankyou |
| 18:18.51 | unilynx | Anyone know why Nvidia Legacy drivers would have to remove xorg to be installed? |
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| 18:20.06 | darkapostrophe | unilynx: No idea. Maybe it needs XF86, since it's old |
| 18:20.15 | wols | unilynx: what debian version, what xorg version and where did you get the nvidia legacy drivers (what repo) |
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| 18:20.23 | unilynx | its from sid |
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| 18:20.51 | unilynx | and im just curious as to what the conflict is |
| 18:20.53 | draeath | Who was it that recommended me wlassistant? |
| 18:21.01 | CrocoJet | someone knows if exist program for linux like cpu-z ? |
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| 18:21.16 | darkapostrophe | CrocoJet: I know of a similar one |
| 18:21.20 | darkapostrophe | CrocoJet: Let me try to find it |
| 18:21.27 | draeath | darkapostrophe, wlassistant only does WEP.... grr |
| 18:21.33 | hark | !conflicts xserver-xorg-core |
| 18:21.36 | wols | CrocoJet: does not exist |
| 18:21.36 | CrocoJet | darkapostrophe, thanks |
| 18:21.39 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: xserver-xorg (<< 6.8.2-38), xserver-xfree86 (<< 1:7.0.0), xserver-xorg-video, xserver-common, xserver-xorg-video-1.0, xserver-xorg-input, xserver-xorg-video-1.9 |
| 18:21.42 | darkapostrophe | draeath: Huh? |
| 18:21.46 | darkapostrophe | draeath: I use WPA2 |
| 18:21.57 | darkapostrophe | draeath: And it works fine now, as you can see due to the fact that I'm chatting here |
| 18:21.58 | draeath | I just ran wlassistant and it only allows entry of wep keys |
| 18:22.05 | darkapostrophe | Weird. |
| 18:22.07 | draeath | did you do something special? |
| 18:22.09 | draeath | what version? |
| 18:22.09 | darkapostrophe | What version? I use Sid. |
| 18:22.16 | CrocoJet | let me .look |
| 18:22.23 | draeath | i got 0.5.5 (etch) |
| 18:22.33 | draeath | wonder if its in backports... |
| 18:22.42 | darkapostrophe | draeath: Try the sid version |
| 18:22.47 | darkapostrophe | draeath: I use that one |
| 18:22.58 | wols | unilynx: unless you answer you have to find out yourself |
| 18:23.15 | draeath | nope, not in backports |
| 18:23.19 | darkapostrophe | CrocoJet: found it |
| 18:23.28 | darkapostrophe | CrocoJet: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Info-Sistema?content=42435 |
| 18:23.33 | draeath | how might i get the sid version without requiring me to get the sid version of glibc and friends? |
| 18:23.44 | CrocoJet | thanks |
| 18:23.48 | darkapostrophe | draeath: Compile it yourself? |
| 18:23.53 | wols | !tell draeath about simple sid backport |
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| 18:24.31 | draeath | oooh neat. sucks that i'll end up building kdelibs and kdebase and friends. |
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| 18:25.15 | draeath | arg! If only iwconfig had the ability to use wpa... |
| 18:25.24 | darkapostrophe | draeath: Well, then you have a problem I can't help you with. Install KDE, upgrade to Sid or give up are your options, as far as I can see. |
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| 18:33.45 | Studiosus | Hi, All! What is channel related to Debian gnome development/packaging? |
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| 18:34.21 | hark | no, #gnome-debian on gimpnet |
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| 18:37.56 | draeath | am I missing something? |
| 18:38.02 | draeath | wpa_gui says it can't connect to wpa_supplicant |
| 18:38.14 | draeath | chicken and egg? I have to set up wireless networks in order to run the network configuration utility? |
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| 18:38.56 | ma3x | how come FATAL: Module ieee1394 not found. |
| 18:39.14 | ma3x | 2.6.22-2-k7 (from backports) |
| 18:39.40 | DawnLight | i've heard there is a free world of warcraft server somewhere. any ideas? |
| 18:39.55 | ma3x | you are on the wrong channel |
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| 18:40.24 | znx | can anyone point me to the mkdesktophdico package? |
| 18:40.41 | znx | dsl http://damnsmalllinux.org/packages.html points it as a debian package |
| 18:40.48 | znx | but i cant find it on packages.debian.org |
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| 18:41.32 | efaistos | is Airsnort good ? |
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| 18:42.40 | Nihill | Hey guys |
| 18:42.50 | JosefAssad | good? In bed you mean? |
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| 18:43.35 | Fly-man- | Evening all |
| 18:43.53 | Fly-man- | How can I find out which network card is inside my PC |
| 18:44.00 | Fly-man- | is there a command that shows that ? |
| 18:44.14 | valdyn | Fly-man-: lspci |
| 18:44.15 | wols | lspci |
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| 18:44.39 | Fly-man- | thanks :) |
| 18:44.45 | Fly-man- | that did the trick |
| 18:44.48 | kspath | lsusb? |
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| 18:44.56 | kspath | incase it is outside? |
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| 18:45.44 | kspath | Those odd little usb/eth things wierded me out the first few times I saw one |
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| 18:46.15 | kspath | but since usb 2.0 is 480Mbps it makes some sense |
| 18:46.29 | JosefAssad | kspath: if the controller is outside, don't you think eyes might be a better tool for checking model and make? |
| 18:46.58 | kspath | JosefAssad: You would think so for all USB devices. |
| 18:47.53 | Nihill | I'm looking to buy a network card for an old computer I have. what are the chances of debian picking it up ok? |
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| 18:49.45 | kspath | Nihill: I have never had a problem with Debian detecting my NICs. |
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| 18:50.03 | ma3x | how do i boot without acpi? |
| 18:50.09 | Fly-man- | I even tried it with old BNC connectors |
| 18:50.17 | Fly-man- | worked like a charm with 4.0 |
| 18:50.57 | kspath | !tell ma3x about ACPI |
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| 18:51.44 | ma3x | kspath that didnt tell me how to disable it |
| 18:51.47 | ma3x | acpi=off or noapic |
| 18:51.49 | ma3x | whats the option? |
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| 18:51.52 | sid | When debian loads on my laptop, it only uses a small box inside my monitor. How can I make it use everything? I need to use a kernel option, vga=790 or somethihng, but 790 isn't right I don't think. ANyone know the right #? |
| 18:52.07 | JosefAssad | ditto re. debian and pci network cards. IF you want to be extra safe, get an el cheapo realtek chipset |
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| 18:53.02 | kspath | I love all the Intel pro100 NICs I have purchased over the years |
| 18:53.02 | ma3x | hellooooo |
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| 18:54.17 | Fly-man- | I even tried Debian on those old Cobalt series 3 ;) |
| 18:54.20 | Fly-man- | and works fine for me |
| 18:55.10 | kspath | ma3x: http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt |
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| 18:56.06 | kspath | ma3x: acpi=off is a boot parameter sorry I have a cold so I am a bit slower and more spacey |
| 18:56.09 | taime1 | this laptop has always given me trouble with sound... the only os that ever had sound was freespire... is there a way to get sound working on this thing? |
| 18:56.41 | ffb | My notebook-keyboard has been wrongly configured (in/outside X). How can i easily i reconfigure it? (I remember some "autodetection by pressing keys" in the debian installer for example) |
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| 18:58.37 | taime1 | how can i get sound on my laptop? |
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| 18:59.03 | ApEtc | !tell taime1 about sound |
| 18:59.26 | fas3r_ | a vpn connection listen on one ports and redirect in consequensly after it |
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| 19:00.12 | mhall | Does anybody have a suggestion of a quick easy way to re-encode an MP3 to a different bitrate on the CLI or in X? |
| 19:00.22 | mhall | What's the simplest stupidest way it could be done. |
| 19:00.44 | xand | stupidest you say... |
| 19:00.51 | Schampong | ohhh.. |
| 19:01.16 | elenril | mhall, there's one really lame way :) |
| 19:01.23 | masus | mhall : sox or lame |
| 19:01.25 | ffb | mhall: lame |
| 19:01.25 | taime1 | that page about sound was no help at all... is there anyone here who knows why some laptops just dont have sound? |
| 19:01.52 | masus | or sox with lame :) |
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| 19:03.15 | rahul | wtf |
| 19:03.21 | rahul | xemacs now segfaults constantly |
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| 19:05.57 | ffb | rahul: emacs can do _anything_ Even segfaults :-) |
| 19:06.12 | rahul | yeah well |
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| 19:06.35 | rahul | open-network-stream-internal("nntpd" #<buffer " *server news.nyct.net ... is the top of the backtrace :\ |
| 19:06.58 | Schampong | Emacs Moans And Cool Segfaults |
| 19:07.20 | mhall | Hell yeah... lame's CLI is a no-brainer. I would have tried it myself but I thought it was only a C library with no nifty front-end. |
| 19:07.27 | mhall | thanks guys! |
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| 19:07.57 | ffb | mhall: lame is cool |
| 19:07.58 | taime1 | im really ne to linux, and i really dont know where to start to get my sound working. any help is greatly appreciated |
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| 19:08.33 | valdyn | taime1: run 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav', tell the error or whatever happens |
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| 19:09.07 | taime1 | k.. hang on |
| 19:09.49 | mhall | One of my best friend's fiances is insane... and for some reason takes things out on me. So I'm replying to her latest mail with a copy of Tool's The Pot (Who are you to wave your finger in my face?). But first I had to downsample it to fit in an attachment... >:-) |
| 19:09.57 | mhall | ffb: I *hate* weird politics. |
| 19:10.24 | ffb | mhall: hah! |
| 19:10.52 | mhall | ffb: open source can solve a lot of problems but it can't fix stupid |
| 19:11.06 | penrod | greetings: I have a new debian 2.6.22 installed, with 2 nics, here is my query. dmesg shows the nics detected as eth0 and eth1, after the interfaces are brought up the nics switch configuration eth0 becomes eth1 and eth1 becomes eth0, should I utilize ifrename to ensure the interfaces remain static ? |
| 19:11.24 | valdyn | penrod: no |
| 19:11.38 | valdyn | penrod: is udev installed |
| 19:11.40 | valdyn | penrod: is udev installed? |
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| 19:12.04 | xingu | !tell penrod about pnr |
| 19:12.07 | valdyn | penrod: im sure they dont switch names just after they are brought up |
| 19:12.09 | mhall | ffb: but why waste the energy on a flamewar when the song already says it better than i can |
| 19:12.15 | valdyn | !pnr |
| 19:12.15 | dpkg | pnr is probably sticky network interface names are set in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules keyed by MAC address (for etherlike interfaces) and various other attributes |
| 19:12.18 | Ahmadinejad | Why this error when i use pgadmin: http://pastebin.ca/719902 |
| 19:12.22 | valdyn | neat |
| 19:12.34 | Ahmadinejad | It close and writet that in bash |
| 19:12.34 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 19:12.34 | dpkg | methinks z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 19:13.59 | penrod | valdyn: I understand your disbelief , this is the first time I have seen it.usually the issue is getting the nics configured in the order you want. |
| 19:14.37 | penrod | I will look into udev, not familiar with it, thanks for the advice. |
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| 19:14.46 | valdyn | penrod: there's no disbelief |
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| 19:15.08 | valdyn | penrod: you just shouldnt use ifrename, and the renaming happens at udev, not at bringing interfaces up |
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| 19:16.06 | penrod | valdyn: to understand you correctly, you are suggesting to use udev ? |
| 19:16.19 | valdyn | penrod: no, udev is renaming your interfaces |
| 19:16.30 | valdyn | penrod: which is a nice mechanism |
| 19:16.51 | valdyn | penrod: follow dpkgs instructions, just edit the file |
| 19:17.19 | penrod | valdyn: will do, just needed a starting point, thanks again |
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| 19:19.06 | ffb | How can i run part of the debian configurer again? The system is running but i want to reconfigure the keymap |
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| 19:19.45 | Tramp | ffb: man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:20.48 | ffb | Tramp: but which package? |
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| 19:21.07 | Tramp | ffb: good question 8) console-data probably |
| 19:21.08 | easuter | h |
| 19:21.10 | easuter | hi |
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| 19:21.26 | easuter | anyone know whats the kernel on the etch sparc cd? |
| 19:21.31 | jrwr | with Alsa, how do i configure it to only use one of my sound cards |
| 19:21.47 | easuter | i need to boot with some extra parameters, so I need to know the image name |
| 19:21.54 | jrwr | its prolly 2.6.14.5 |
| 19:22.00 | jrwr | 14-5 |
| 19:22.08 | ffb | Tramp: i did that. and i can choose keyb layout. But the interface is not the same as when i installed debian. |
| 19:22.09 | easuter | for etch (4.0)? |
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| 19:22.22 | easuter | i though that would have a newer kernel... |
| 19:22.30 | jrwr | its Debian |
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| 19:22.40 | cbus_ | hello |
| 19:22.42 | jrwr | nother is ever "new" in stable |
| 19:22.44 | ffb | Tramp: i want to get the part where i press some keys, and it guesses my keyb |
| 19:22.50 | easuter | lol |
| 19:22.51 | cbus_ | does debian normal boot cd contain ping when you boot from the cd? |
| 19:22.54 | cbus_ | and does it setup a network using dhcp? |
| 19:23.03 | cbus_ | apparently the netinstall cd does not have ping (pre installation) |
| 19:23.05 | Tramp | ffb: ah. Sorry. Don't know about that then. |
| 19:23.11 | ffb | Tramp: cool |
| 19:23.15 | easuter | well, the help image probably could tell me, but unfortunately I can't scroll back |
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| 19:23.24 | easuter | so I can't read everything.... |
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| 19:25.57 | ffb | Is there some automatic way to set up the correct keyboard layout? Dell inspiron4100 has a weird layout, and i dont want to configure it manually |
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| 19:27.36 | ffb | any packages or scripts that can set it up for me? |
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| 19:34.11 | schemelab | apt-get install plone-site is failed when I re-attempt to install plone-site - http://paste.lisp.org/display/48413/raw |
| 19:34.27 | xand | ffb: the keys should still send the appropriate codes |
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| 19:35.34 | ffb | xand: ? |
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| 19:35.58 | xand | ffb: what's weird about the layout? |
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| 19:36.20 | xand | ffb: even if a key is moved, it shoudl still send the same signal to the pc... |
| 19:36.33 | Greyscale | How do I replace epiphany as the default browser? |
| 19:36.40 | Greyscale | Iceweasul is already installed. |
| 19:36.43 | xand | in gnome? |
| 19:36.55 | xand | update-alternatives, change x-www-browser |
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| 19:37.18 | ffb | @ is close to return, not at "2" for example |
| 19:37.34 | xand | ffb: where it should be then... sounds like a UK one |
| 19:37.54 | xand | Greyscale: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser <-- as root |
| 19:37.58 | ffb | but i press shift-2 to get @ |
| 19:38.00 | Greyscale | And can someone tell me where I can get a potato install iso? |
| 19:38.32 | ffb | xand: well the problem is, i dont know which keyborad it is |
| 19:38.33 | xand | ffb: are you sure it's not a uk one? |
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| 19:38.45 | xand | ffb: what symbol is above the 3? |
| 19:38.48 | ffb | xand: no im not sure |
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| 19:39.02 | ffb | xand: lire |
| 19:39.42 | ffb | xand: i though it was a us, perhaps |
| 19:40.35 | xand | lire? |
| 19:40.43 | xand | what's that look like? |
| 19:40.48 | xand | ÂŁ? |
| 19:41.20 | ffb | xand: erh yes, that is a pound right? :-) |
| 19:41.23 | ffb | thats it |
| 19:41.29 | xand | yes, it's UK layout then |
| 19:41.33 | Greyscale | Anyone know if I can still grab a copy of Potato? |
| 19:41.35 | Greyscale | I need a laugh |
| 19:41.40 | xand | Greyscale: somewhere... |
| 19:41.48 | rahul | !potato |
| 19:41.49 | dpkg | methinks potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 19:42.09 | Greyscale | How handy |
| 19:42.17 | rahul | and dandy |
| 19:42.22 | rahul | LIKE DEVILDRIVER!!!!!!!! |
| 19:42.26 | rahul | AND ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOARFIEND |
| 19:42.37 | ffb | xand: thanks, ill try some uk keymaps |
| 19:43.51 | rahul | Don't you know our lives are on trial now |
| 19:43.56 | rahul | And if we lose were going straight to hell |
| 19:44.27 | gravity | Wow |
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| 19:54.36 | Fu86 | i want to reconfigure pure-ftpd, but this doesnt work :( |
| 19:54.42 | Fu86 | vs156214:/etc/pure-ftpd# dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd |
| 19:54.42 | Fu86 | Stopping ftp server: pure-ftpd. |
| 19:54.42 | Fu86 | vs156214:/etc/pure-ftpd# |
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| 19:57.27 | wols | !tell Fu86 about doesn't work |
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| 19:58.39 | mooper | hi hi |
| 19:58.55 | mooper | how do I tell what my default mail environment is? |
| 19:59.22 | schemelab | is a log of apt-get sessions kept somewhere automatically? |
| 19:59.46 | Fu86 | pure-ftpd won't start with a /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start .... and an dpkg-reconfigure also does *nothing* |
| 20:00.01 | Fu86 | no errors in /var/log/syslog |
| 20:00.17 | Fu86 | the pure-ftpd is the standard debian-package |
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| 20:00.28 | wols | mooper: define what a "mail environment" is please |
| 20:00.31 | intr80 | ftp.. shudder... |
| 20:00.34 | Fu86 | i want ftp-access for all system-users |
| 20:00.36 | wols | schemelab: only /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 20:00.46 | schemelab | i see |
| 20:00.47 | wols | Fu86: run vsftpd |
| 20:01.06 | Fu86 | wols: ok, i give vsftp a try |
| 20:01.25 | wols | Fu86: you will have to edit an (well commented) /etc/vsftpd.conf |
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| 20:01.39 | wols | Fu86: but really don't use ftp. only use sftp |
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| 20:02.20 | schemelab | apt-get plone-site is failing - http://paste.lisp.org/display/48415/raw |
| 20:02.20 | intr80 | Fu86: ftp is like asking to get owned |
| 20:02.22 | Fu86 | wols: sure, i use scp/sftp all the time .. .but if customers need it ... i'll serve it |
| 20:02.28 | schemelab | on Debian Etch/4.0 |
| 20:02.35 | intr80 | Fu86: Whats the hostname of this server? <evil grin> |
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| 20:02.57 | wols | !fino plone-site etch |
| 20:03.11 | Fu86 | intr80: try this ip: 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:03.39 | intr80 | Fu86: I'm certain the fool running that host would not use FTP. He's not -that- foolish. ;) |
| 20:03.42 | wols | !info plone-site etch |
| 20:03.46 | dpkg | plone-site: (preconfigured zope instance containing a plone site), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 20:04.14 | wols | schemelab: file a bug |
| 20:04.24 | schemelab | I've never done that |
| 20:04.24 | wols | as a workaroung, stop gnome befire (re)installing |
| 20:04.26 | schemelab | dont know how |
| 20:04.35 | wols | !reportbug |
| 20:04.36 | dpkg | from memory, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 20:07.17 | duns_s_ | is there a way to force a specific version of a package in apt-get or aptitude install? |
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| 20:07.51 | intr80 | duns_s_ : sometimes there are multiple versions available |
| 20:07.51 | duns_s_ | i need an older libgtk to fix the flashplugin bug since libgtk-2.11.6 |
| 20:08.08 | intr80 | duns_s_ : use apt-cache search to see if your version is available |
| 20:08.37 | intr80 | duns_s_ : you could always compile the source for the version you need, but with libgtk, I'd be you'll need gobs of dependencies |
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| 20:09.02 | E-bola | I've always been manualy logging into my systems and running apt-get update/upgrade |
| 20:09.12 | E-bola | is there a smarter way to keep systems up2date when u got alot of servers? |
| 20:09.12 | mooper | wols, I'm trying to set up dovecot |
| 20:09.40 | mooper | wols "default_mail_env" |
| 20:11.48 | Tramp | E-bola: I heard/read about cron-apt but I never tried it. |
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| 20:12.29 | E-bola | well i dont want the task automated |
| 20:12.40 | E-bola | i just want to do it from a centralised app |
| 20:12.52 | E-bola | so i can for example get a list of all availeble updates for all servers |
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| 20:12.58 | E-bola | and then decides which to install on what servers |
| 20:13.03 | E-bola | kind of like WSUS for windows |
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| 20:15.05 | sf7_ | how to find out which shell im in? (i need it for making a script: #!/bin/??? |
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| 20:15.34 | Ronin | sf7_: you dont know what you installed for a shell? |
| 20:15.51 | Ronin | if you didn't change anythign iirc bash is the default |
| 20:16.15 | Xenguy | sf7_: echo $SHELL |
| 20:16.28 | sf7_ | thx! |
| 20:16.52 | masus | "iptables -j ROUTE" can't install it can anybody help |
| 20:17.14 | xand | eh? |
| 20:17.15 | masus | the ROUTE module |
| 20:17.25 | masus | pom |
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| 20:18.12 | masus | "patch-o-matic" |
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| 20:18.14 | masus | ? |
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| 20:19.00 | masus | ok np |
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| 20:19.13 | masus | i'll search more 3 days |
| 20:19.15 | masus | :) |
| 20:20.25 | wols | masus: is this "route" thing part of the netfilter code in the kernel? |
| 20:20.32 | masus | jep |
| 20:20.40 | masus | it is |
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| 20:21.21 | wols | filename? |
| 20:21.33 | masus | netfilter patch-o-matic |
| 20:21.40 | wols | all I can find is /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/net/bridge/netfilter/ebtable_broute.ko |
| 20:21.48 | masus | ipt_ROUTE |
| 20:21.59 | masus | or libipt_ROUTE |
| 20:22.09 | wols | not in my debian kernel |
| 20:22.28 | masus | i want to install it |
| 20:22.43 | masus | but there is no good installation guide |
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| 20:23.28 | masus | which versions to use |
| 20:23.44 | wols | masus: you ask the wrong place. ask the netfilter people |
| 20:23.44 | masus | iptables 1.3.6 + patch-o-matic |
| 20:23.49 | masus | noooooooo |
| 20:23.55 | masus | there is nobody |
| 20:23.58 | masus | who answer |
| 20:24.04 | jelly-home | !tell masus -about enter |
| 20:24.09 | xand | try #iptables |
| 20:24.11 | valdyn | masus: sure its not packaged? |
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| 20:24.47 | valdyn | masus: its packaged... |
| 20:24.49 | masus | yes but it'S not working |
| 20:25.03 | valdyn | masus: brilliant, that's a good info to help you |
| 20:25.19 | valdyn | masus: did you read the documenatation or the README? |
| 20:25.31 | masus | yes |
| 20:26.09 | masus | i have read the documentation. iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -j ROUTE --gw 192.168.2.1 \ iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 20:26.37 | masus | in the help file is "ROUTE target v1.11 options:" |
| 20:27.00 | masus | i have it but so i have said it's not working |
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| 20:27.58 | ladydoor | Hi! I have a (hopefully) quick question. So I use Emacs a whole lot and as a result have used Xmodmap to, among other things, allow me to have a Hyper key; however, xterm doesn't recognize this, which tends to mean that if I try to use it in an xterm it's often difficult. Is there a way to tell xterm about the hyper key? Also, does anybody here know whether it's possible to set up a hyper key for TTY interfaces (i.e., before starting |
| 20:27.58 | ladydoor | X)? |
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| 20:28.53 | Sebboh | Hi. I seem to be having trouble with something fairly simple. I want to start four scripts all at once, and background them all. I tried ./script1 & ; ./script2 & etc, but, this produced a syntax error. .. uh...?? |
| 20:29.30 | masus | valdyn: can u give me a tip ? or how to fix this. |
| 20:29.53 | Tramp | Sebboh: no ";" |
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| 20:30.00 | Sebboh | ah. |
| 20:30.30 | Sebboh | thanks Tramp. :) |
| 20:30.47 | Tramp | np |
| 20:30.51 | ladydoor | Sebboh: Alternately, you could always create a meta-script that just started the other four and just run *it* in the background... |
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| 20:31.10 | flyinprogramer | so i know a lot of us already have debian boxes up |
| 20:31.16 | flyinprogramer | and debian is wicked easy to use |
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| 20:31.37 | flyinprogramer | however, if anyone cares, i just built a tutorial on setting up a Debian Etch Webserver |
| 20:31.49 | flyinprogramer | here's a link to it: http://foolishmoon.com/Setting_Up_A_Debian_Etch_Webserver.pdf |
| 20:32.37 | defrysk | errr spamming ? |
| 20:32.39 | stopher | Having a problem. I have several websites that us SMTP mailings to inform users about activity on the site, however, I don't have an SMTP system setup. What's the easiest way to get a secure SMTP process running...that will mail from localhost to user mailboxes? Also, I only have text-mode on my server. Thanks!? |
| 20:33.03 | Sebboh | ladydoor: ... But, my question would remain. ;) I can only assume that if I have ./script1 & on the first line of this script you speak of and ./script2 & on the second line, I can only assume that would work. ..Which makes me wonder why ./script1 & ; ./script2 & doesn't work. But, oh well. I'm happen. Curiosity is a luxury. :P |
| 20:33.23 | valdyn | masus: install the netfilter-extensions-source and read the docs of THAT package |
| 20:34.06 | ladydoor | Sebboh: Fair enough. |
| 20:34.27 | Sebboh | ladydoor: and, I just reread your suggestion.. it sounds like you're saying that the meta script doesn't bg each sub process, well.. I need them to run in parallel. Like, BAM. :D |
| 20:34.49 | ladydoor | Sebboh: I mean, it would be up to you whether they did or not. |
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| 20:34.52 | masus | valdyn: ok i'll try |
| 20:34.56 | blq | I installed Xen on my Debian Etch, now I need the sources of the kernel for TrueCrypt, could you please tell me where I can find them? Sorry I know this isn't Debian specific but I don't know where I should ask else.. |
| 20:35.05 | simonrvn | Sebboh: run them from a wrapper script ... |
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| 20:35.58 | Sebboh | Tramp's suggestion works best for my particular needs. :) Whelp see you cats later. |
| 20:36.00 | Xyhthyx | Can I use the etch/updates repo on my lenny install? |
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| 20:36.31 | wols | you can but usually it won't ever take anything from it |
| 20:36.46 | Xyhthyx | Ok thanks. |
| 20:36.57 | wols | lenny packages simply have higher version numbers |
| 20:37.00 | ladydoor | blq: I hate to just say "google it," but their website is the first item that comes up on a google search. |
| 20:37.19 | ladydoor | blq: (for truecrypt) |
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| 20:41.21 | masus | valdyn: is the package unstable "netfilter-extensions-source" |
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| 20:42.01 | valdyn | !info netfilter-extensions-source etch |
| 20:42.04 | valdyn | !info netfilter-extensions-source lenny |
| 20:42.09 | dpkg | netfilter-extensions-source: (source for netfilter kernel modules derived from patch-o-matic-ng), section net, is extra. Version: 20070915+debian-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 20:42.27 | masus | i use etch |
| 20:42.34 | valdyn | masus: you need this |
| 20:43.00 | valdyn | masus: -j ROUTE needs those modules, be it from lenny or from elsewhere unrelated to debian |
| 20:43.09 | masus | ok |
| 20:43.35 | valdyn | masus: its just source code, you can just install the lenny package i suppose |
| 20:44.19 | masus | hmm , howto install a lenny package on etch |
| 20:44.30 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 20:44.30 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 20:44.58 | masus | "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netfilter-extensions/netfilter-extensions_20070915+debian.orig.tar.gz" here is only the source codes no documantation avalaible |
| 20:45.00 | valdyn | !dpkg -i netfilter |
| 20:45.07 | valdyn | dpkg -i netfilter |
| 20:45.07 | dpkg | package netfilter is already installed |
| 20:45.34 | valdyn | masus: debian packages have the .deb suffix |
| 20:46.02 | valdyn | geez |
| 20:46.16 | SikeABooBoo | Uhh ohh, Everyone update their openssl. :/ |
| 20:46.28 | valdyn | SikeABooBoo: we already did? |
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| 20:47.48 | SikeABooBoo | valdyn: Are you asking me a question? |
| 20:47.53 | masus | Setting up netfilter-extensions-source (20070915+debian-1) ... |
| 20:47.54 | masus | :P |
| 20:47.57 | SikeABooBoo | Then, good for you :) |
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| 20:49.45 | masus | :) but nothing changed , |
| 20:50.22 | jelly-home | masus: that sounds like source for kernel modules |
| 20:50.58 | jelly-home | masus: if that is the case, use m-a to build and install them |
| 20:51.12 | masus | jelly-home "m-a" ? |
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| 20:51.16 | jelly-home | !m-a |
| 20:51.16 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 20:51.32 | masus | hmmm ok i'll try |
| 20:51.55 | masus | wow |
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| 20:54.18 | schemelab | I aborted 'apt-get install twiki' during its dialog and cannot seem to get it to prompt me for configuration information anymore... how can I configure this package as if I had just downloaded it? |
| 20:54.19 | aleksanteri | how can i force kde 3.5.7 to be installed instead of 3.5.5? |
| 20:54.51 | wols | schemelab: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:55.13 | schemelab | it's working. thanks wols |
| 20:55.25 | wols | aleksanteri: if you have 3.5.7 in your repositories it will be installed automatically |
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| 20:55.33 | aleksanteri | hmm |
| 20:55.49 | claudioc | hello, somebody could help me with .deb packages making? it is a very small thing |
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| 20:56.01 | claudioc | in the final .deb, there is no executable under usr/bin/ |
| 20:56.11 | claudioc | and I don't really know why |
| 20:56.18 | aleksanteri | well the etch repos give 3.5.5 |
| 20:56.23 | aleksanteri | do i need sid/lenny? |
| 20:56.37 | wols | !tell aleksanteri about search |
| 20:57.14 | aleksanteri | i know about apt-cache search |
| 20:57.36 | wols | but apparently not pdo |
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| 20:59.11 | masus | Installation of the netfilter-extensions-source source failed. \ Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to \ sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
| 21:00.19 | masus | does nobody install patch-o-matic before ?? |
| 21:00.21 | sf7_ | i'm trying to write a shell-script. can someone tell me if this is valid? http://pastebin.com/m55d7a6a1 (part marked HELP:) |
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| 21:03.30 | JVOLT | Hello everyone |
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| 21:04.22 | JVolt | oops, dced |
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| 21:05.22 | JVolt | Is there some way better to install kde translations else with "./configure make make install" ? |
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| 21:06.20 | wols | JVolt: apt-cache search kde-i18n |
| 21:06.40 | JVolt | Im trying do that but got an bad error about "dcopidl" not found, and it say to check if KDE has been installed correctly, but i just installed it with "apt-get install kde" |
| 21:06.42 | JVolt | ahmm |
| 21:06.42 | Tramp | sf7_: basically yes. Just assign without the "$" (it's not Perl) and source the configfile. |
| 21:06.49 | JVolt | thx alot wols |
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| 21:08.18 | digijohn | What's the best way to set a "Compose" key on Debian? |
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| 21:09.22 | ladydoor | digijohn: You can just use xmodmap. |
| 21:09.32 | foutrelis | Hello. My /var/log/mail.log gets filled with relay attempts from a specific ip (log pastebin'ed at http://pastebin.ca/719995). Is there a way to block this ip from connecting to the server at all? |
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| 21:09.52 | ladydoor | digijohn: On my particular keyboard, this changes the "home" key to a compose (Multi_key) key: keycode 97 = Multi_key |
| 21:10.17 | DawnLight | digijohn/ladydoor: thats the hard way. there is a program to do that automagically... |
| 21:10.18 | ladydoor | DawnLight: Eh? |
| 21:10.18 | ladydoor | DawnLight: How do you mean? |
| 21:10.26 | DawnLight | its called... |
| 21:10.38 | ladydoor | DawnLight: (I just ask because I found it pretty painless :-) ) |
| 21:10.39 | xand | foutrelis: "iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP" where 1.2.3.4 is the IP to block... |
| 21:11.03 | digijohn | I was just going to reassign my right-Alt key |
| 21:11.25 | foutrelis | xand: Thank you so much :) |
| 21:11.25 | digijohn | Well, a Type 5 that could plug into my PC |
| 21:11.50 | DawnLight | digijohn/ladydoor: the package is keytouch |
| 21:11.56 | valdyn | !fail2ban |
| 21:11.56 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 21:12.08 | DawnLight | !keytouch |
| 21:12.08 | dpkg | methinks keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 21:12.21 | digijohn | DawnLight: thanks, beautiful |
| 21:12.46 | digijohn | I have a Model M, so none of those funky things at the top... but I can't think of the last time I used right-Alt |
| 21:12.48 | DawnLight | no need for flattering |
| 21:12.55 | digijohn | hahahaha |
| 21:13.07 | digijohn | that's kinda how it came out, isn't it. |
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| 21:13.34 | ladydoor | DawnLight: Haha, personal preference, I guess. I'll stick with something that doesn't force me to click on things, but I'm sure digijohn will appreciate it :-) |
| 21:13.36 | DawnLight | hahaha |
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| 21:13.51 | ErichK | How can I upgrade to gnome 2.20? |
| 21:14.19 | digijohn | I love the clicking--why do you think I've got this IBM trashcan-refugee? |
| 21:14.21 | ladydoor | I have a (hopefully) quick question--sorry to repeat. So I use Emacs a whole lot and as a result have used Xmodmap to, among other things, allow me to have a Hyper key; however, xterm doesn't recognize this, which tends to mean that if I try to use it in an xterm it's often difficult. Is there a way to tell xterm about the hyper key? Also, does anybody here know whether it's possible to set up a hyper key for TTY interfaces (i.e., |
| 21:14.21 | ladydoor | before starting X)? |
| 21:14.25 | flixil | Just a noob question. I ran netstat -tap and i see some ports being listen without any associated program. How can that be possible? Thanks for the knowledge |
| 21:14.29 | osmosis | what kernel version does etch have ? |
| 21:14.30 | ladydoor | digijohn: Fair enough! |
| 21:14.35 | DawnLight | ErichK: you stick with the outdated packages in stable just like the rest of us! |
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| 21:15.17 | Gunner_Sr | I want to purchase a new notebook for Debian, any recommendations? |
| 21:15.35 | dvs | Gunner_Sr: HP or Lenovo |
| 21:15.39 | valdyn | flixil: you didn't run it as root? |
| 21:15.43 | Gunner_Sr | I have looked at a MSI 17inch from cyberpowerpc.com? |
| 21:15.44 | ErichK | Also, my notification area stopped working. Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 21:15.48 | DawnLight | why purchase for debian, man. get one for yourself! |
| 21:15.54 | xand | haha |
| 21:16.06 | flixil | valdyn, logically... Thanks |
| 21:16.44 | JVolt | brb restarting kde |
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| 21:17.51 | ladydoor | Gunner_Sr: This may seem obvious, but make sure to get something with a decent battery. Also, maybe try to find something with a natively-supported wireless card :-) |
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| 21:20.00 | Gunner_Sr | Ladydoor: thanks, I have not run Deb on notebooks only on desktops. So is the APM support good for notebooks? |
| 21:20.31 | xand | I had to install 2.6.21 to get power management working properly on my laptop (HP compaq nx6125) |
| 21:20.36 | DawnLight | Gunner_Sr: i think there are some notebook manufacturers that make them for linux. you may want to support one of those |
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| 21:21.43 | Gunner_Sr | DawnLight: The support list I started to look at. The model I was looking at was not mentioned, but that doesn't mean it is not supported. |
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| 21:22.16 | DawnLight | Gunner_Sr: what support list? |
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| 21:23.13 | Gunner_Sr | Dawnlight: there was a list/link that I found on debian.org that had people these deb on notebook models. |
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| 21:27.47 | masus | where is the default kernel headers located .. |
| 21:27.49 | masus | thanks |
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| 21:28.04 | xand | you have to install them |
| 21:28.14 | sf7_ | can someone help me with a script? http://pastebin.com/m6ff10ae5 |
| 21:28.17 | sf7_ | error says : ./cfgfile: line 10: -samprate: command not found |
| 21:28.37 | xand | masus: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 21:30.02 | AirstrikeIvanov | Hi everyone. |
| 21:30.05 | snowbird | hi |
| 21:30.21 | AirstrikeIvanov | I am looking into putting Debian on my server computer. I went to download via bittorrent but am not sure which torrent file(s) to download. |
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| 21:31.25 | Ronin | AirstrikeIvanov: what type of hardware? |
| 21:31.37 | xored | anybody has a SATA JMicron controlling working ( 20633 ) |
| 21:31.44 | masus | if i do "apt-get upgrade" it seems that all version of headers will be upgrade how to fix it --> http://pastebin.ca/720018 |
| 21:31.47 | valdyn | !netinstall |
| 21:31.47 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 21:31.55 | AirstrikeIvanov | Ronin: Old-ish, works on Ubuntu perfectly with the nvidia drivers installed. |
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| 21:32.00 | sf7_ | Air:: I used a net-inst --- it auto-found a local mirror |
| 21:32.32 | masus | "apt-get upgrade" it seems that all version of headers will be upgrade how to fix it --> http://pastebin.ca/720018 |
| 21:33.06 | simonrvn | !tell masus -about repeat |
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| 21:33.42 | Ronin | AirstrikeIvanov: no need for x though as its a server, oldish in what way? basic pc with nothing fancy? check out the netinstall that dpkg just mentioned |
| 21:33.51 | simonrvn | peterS: 49 'fuck's in the kernel source, for 2.6.22, debian-patched |
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| 21:34.39 | dvs | simonrvn: fuck! |
| 21:34.42 | dvs | ;-) |
| 21:34.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 21:35.12 | sf7_ | we'll never know how many are in windows |
| 21:35.34 | simonrvn | probably 100 times that :P |
| 21:35.50 | dvs | One for every bug in the OS. |
| 21:36.02 | Ronin | sf7_: no need to lead them down that path though |
| 21:36.15 | simonrvn | then 1000 times ;p |
| 21:36.24 | xingu | dvs: do the list of dumbfucks on the easter egg credits page count? |
| 21:36.37 | dvs | huh? |
| 21:36.48 | xingu | well, they're all in the source somewhere too |
| 21:36.51 | sf7_ | :) doh too late |
| 21:36.59 | dvs | I wouldn't put my name to that. |
| 21:37.13 | xingu | I'd put someone else's for comedy value |
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| 21:38.20 | sf7_ | anyone wana help me with a basic scripting prob? (its my first script:) |
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| 21:38.44 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a way to install gd library for apache server with apt-get ? |
| 21:39.00 | Gm4n | speaking of apt-get and apache, is there a way to install mod_perl that way? |
| 21:39.01 | schemelab | sf7_: wrong channel, but what do you need? |
| 21:39.13 | sf7_ | which is the right one? |
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| 21:39.32 | sf7_ | http://pastebin.com/m6ff10ae5 fails.. error says : ./cfgfile: line 10: -samprate: command not found |
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| 21:39.56 | AirstrikeIvanov | Ronin: Yeah, it's nothing fancy. The best piece in that old rig is an NV GeForce 2 MX. lol |
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| 21:41.56 | schemelab | sf7_: CFG=" $SRATE $RATE $ALGO $DICT $FILLER $DMP" will get you closer I think |
| 21:42.09 | schemelab | just put echo $CFG in your script and notice what it has |
| 21:42.10 | solemnwarning | Are there any programs in Debian suited for drawing diagrams of mechanical things? |
| 21:42.14 | schemelab | before and after using quotes |
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| 21:42.36 | qrck | bah messed up kernel build...grrr |
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| 21:44.24 | Gm4n | apt-get install mod_perl says not found, any ideas? |
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| 21:46.34 | masus | "apt-get upgrade" it seems that all version of headers will be upgrade how to fix it --> http://pastebin.ca/720018 |
| 21:46.46 | Ronin | yes we saw earlier masus |
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| 21:47.36 | masus | ROnin it seems you are very clever |
| 21:47.54 | masus | gm4n try --> apt-cache search mod_perl |
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| 21:48.24 | Gm4n | masus: is libapache-mod-perl what I want? |
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| 21:48.50 | masus | Gm4n: i dont know |
| 21:49.02 | sf7_ | what's a good chan for scripting questions? |
| 21:49.48 | flixil | #bash maybe? |
| 21:49.51 | sf7_ | schemelab: thx, nearly there now |
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| 21:50.00 | schemelab | ok... new paste? |
| 21:51.01 | garo | 3 questions : Does 'tar -xvf foo.tar' overwrite files without asking ? does it keep permissions ? and what happens if a file is opened (for writing or reading) while tar wants to overwrite it ? |
| 21:51.14 | masus | not for Ronin --> "apt-get upgrade" it seems that all version of headers will be upgrade how to fix it --> http://pastebin.ca/720018 |
| 21:51.33 | valdyn | masus: why is that a problem? |
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| 21:51.46 | masus | because it will download all files again |
| 21:51.57 | valdyn | masus: you're like in dialup? |
| 21:52.03 | masus | yes like |
| 21:52.07 | Ronin | !tell masus about repeat |
| 21:52.16 | valdyn | masus: you already have those files if its a redownload |
| 21:52.22 | valdyn | masus: see /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:52.31 | masus | ok thanks valdyn |
| 21:52.39 | masus | Ronin i have not ask u |
| 21:52.41 | schemelab | sf7_: $RATE is not defined in your script paste --- i'm giving you a smallperl program to do this |
| 21:52.48 | valdyn | masus: beside that, apt-get tells you how much it really has to download |
| 21:53.01 | masus | ok thank u very much |
| 21:53.06 | masus | for your answers |
| 21:53.27 | sf7_ | scheme - i got it working! |
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| 21:53.52 | Ronin | masus: didnt say you did, i was getting dpkg to tell you about repeat |
| 21:53.53 | sf7_ | only prob is sifting the output for the info i want. |
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| 21:54.32 | masus | valdyn: but is it normal that different headers will be downloaded and installed |
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| 21:54.50 | masus | for example : linux-headers-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver linux-headers-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 |
| 21:55.03 | schemelab | sf7_: this should work - http://pastebin.com/ma1469fd |
| 21:55.09 | schemelab | sf7_: oh you got it working.. good :) |
| 21:56.07 | sf7_ | thanks! i'll switch to that one! |
| 21:57.53 | sid | I am running the latest sid, and when I boot, everything is in a small box. It doesn't use the whole screen |
| 21:58.14 | sid | X seems to be forced to use 800x600, but it doesn't use the full screen. I'm using a dell inspiron 1100 laptop, with intel 845g graphics |
| 21:58.14 | valdyn | masus: you paste a list of packages and expect me to know what causes that? |
| 21:58.19 | sid | I tried to specify vga=773 in grub on the kernel line, but when I do this..nothing shows up |
| 21:58.20 | valdyn | masus: geez |
| 21:58.28 | valdyn | masus: you could give at least the command that did that |
| 21:59.37 | masus | valdyn "apt-get upgrade" --> http://pastebin.ca/720018 |
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| 22:00.09 | masus | apt-get upgrade , will install different linux-header files is that normal |
| 22:00.11 | masus | or upgrade |
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| 22:00.29 | valdyn | masus: upgrade cant install 'different' i can only install bugfixes on etch |
| 22:00.46 | masus | i can't explain |
| 22:00.48 | masus | ok np |
| 22:00.49 | masus | thanks |
| 22:01.29 | valdyn | masus: 'upgrade' never does something dangerous within one debian stable release - its ok |
| 22:01.56 | masus | ok :) |
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| 22:07.34 | Max_- | I'm reading the Software-RAID-HOWTO (for RAID-1) and they say, before I initialize the raid, that I must have the disks already mirrored... well check this out : |
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| 22:08.43 | xand | o.O |
| 22:08.49 | valdyn | Max_-: that HOWTO is probably way outdated |
| 22:08.54 | Max_- | Ok, now we're all set to start initializing the RAID. The mirror must be constructed, eg. the contents (however unimportant now, since the device is still not formatted) of the two devices must be synchronized. <here are commands to begin mirror init> Try formatting the device, while the reconstruction is running. It will work. Also you can mount it and use it while reconstruction is running. |
| 22:09.05 | xand | !mdadm |
| 22:09.11 | xand | bah |
| 22:09.13 | valdyn | Max_-: but debians mdadm package is nice reciepes in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 22:09.23 | ladydoor | Quick question...is there any reason that root should be running arecord? |
| 22:09.27 | Max_- | valdyn : what is the current kernel question? |
| 22:09.44 | Max_- | errrr version? sorry |
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| 22:09.49 | Wyzard | Max_-: It's true, you can use your array while it's still synchronizing |
| 22:09.57 | Max_- | Yes |
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| 22:10.41 | Max_- | The problem I don't get is ... you mirrored the disks... you have your stuff being synchronized and they tell to format?!?!? in my book, when you format, it wipes everythings out.... no? |
| 22:10.57 | valdyn | Max_-: you format the raid device /dev/mdX |
| 22:11.02 | valdyn | Max_-: ( if you want ) |
| 22:11.10 | valdyn | Max_-: not the raid member |
| 22:11.15 | Max_- | and that doesn't break the partitions on the disks? |
| 22:11.17 | Max_- | okk... |
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| 22:11.43 | ladydoor | I just ask because i seems kind of weird to me that my computer's trying to record sound despite having no mic hooked up and without my knowledge, and when I kill it it restarts the process... |
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| 22:11.54 | Max_- | at the moment I don't see the use of formatting a virtual device.. >.< |
| 22:12.21 | xand | Max_-: if you don't format it, how do you propose to store files on it? |
| 22:12.27 | Max_- | it's using formatted members.. well I should maybe complete my informations with mdadm documentation |
| 22:12.31 | valdyn | Max_-: 'initialise an fs' is more precise |
| 22:12.39 | Max_- | ohhh |
| 22:12.43 | Max_- | ok |
| 22:13.01 | Wyzard | Max_-: You format the array, not the members |
| 22:13.08 | valdyn | Max_-: though you might want to put lvm on top of that |
| 22:13.28 | Wyzard | Max_-: Do not format, mount, or otherwise directly use the member devices once you've created the array |
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| 22:14.22 | Wyzard | Max_-: If you already had filesystems on the underlying devices, consider them to be wiped out |
| 22:14.26 | Max_- | ok.. and if it's the only device there is... ?! I mean... I wanted to have only one partition (beside swap) on the disk and use it for raid partition... am i not going to end up with nothing working at some time? |
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| 22:14.38 | xand | Max_-: yes you can do that |
| 22:15.05 | Wyzard | Max_-: It's possible to have your root filesystem on a RAID array, and the Debian installer even supports setting that up |
| 22:15.24 | Max_- | really?!? ... uh oh.. |
| 22:15.30 | Max_- | just installed yesterday |
| 22:15.37 | ladydoor | Quick question...is there any reason that root should be running arecord without my having started it (this is a home computer, so there are no other users) |
| 22:15.44 | Wyzard | Max_-: but if your system is already installed on a plain partition, you can't just make a RAID array out of that partition and something else and expect that to work correctly |
| 22:15.47 | valdyn | ladydoor: no |
| 22:16.17 | Max_- | Wyzard : okay.. I thought I could set the raid up.. then add 2 more HDs, one active, the other in standby |
| 22:16.35 | ladydoor | valdyn: 'K...that's a bit worrying, then. I've run chkrootkit and tried killing the process by hand--chkrootkit found nothing and when I kill it, it is reborn with a new PID... |
| 22:16.39 | Max_- | I've been told, yesterday, that it was possible to set it all up with only one HD.. then add the others later |
| 22:16.44 | Wyzard | Max_-: You could make a 1-disk "array" during installation, and then extend it onto the other drives once you install them |
| 22:16.50 | valdyn | Max_-: you can do that with the recipe in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/ |
| 22:17.11 | Max_- | Wyzard : valdyn okay, I'll check the docs from mdadm I think.. |
| 22:17.21 | Wyzard | Max_-: And it's *possible* to turn an existing non-RAID installation into a root-on-RAID installation, but it has to be done very carefully, or you break the system and probably lose all your data |
| 22:17.23 | JVolt | Guys, i has tried 'apt-get update' using the kanotix.com sid repository, but it say be using a signature and have not a public key 'NO_PUBKEY FB1A399A71409CDF'. The dpkg bot said me that i can add the the key listed *AFTER*, but how can i do that? |
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| 22:17.29 | Max_- | the howto I'm reading looks good but maybe not giving me all the possibilities |
| 22:17.43 | Gunner_Sr | thanks to all, seeya. |
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| 22:17.53 | Wyzard | JVolt: Kanotix isn't supported here |
| 22:18.09 | Max_- | Wyzard : okay.. at the moment there's no data on the system.. I'll try to do this first |
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| 22:18.20 | eallik_ | I put session optional pam_umask.so umask=002 into /etc/pam.d/common-session, but after rebooting the umask still shows 0022 instead of 0002. do I have to enable pam somehow or am I doing something wrong? |
| 22:18.54 | ladydoor | Specifically, it seems to be running "arecord -c 1 -f S16_LE -r 8000 -t raw" |
| 22:19.06 | Wyzard | ladydoor: What's the parent process? |
| 22:19.11 | JVolt | Wyzard: hm.. but what i was trying say was about what do to get a key from anywhere? I dont know much about it, only that i need a private key for a public key or so |
| 22:19.17 | fr33k | window split |
| 22:19.18 | ladydoor | Wyzard: How would I find that out? |
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| 22:19.50 | sx|lappy | hi there. how am I supposed to install support for my Rt2500 card ? |
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| 22:20.05 | valdyn | sx|lappy: there's 2 drivers for this in debian |
| 22:20.07 | Max_- | Wyzard, valdyn I'll go read the mdadm documents and I'll come back for more information if there's something I still don't get then.. thanks a lot |
| 22:20.29 | sx|lappy | I tried the module-assistant stuff, but that fails with /usr/src/modules/rt2x00/rt2x00_compat.h:28:2: error: #error Wireless radio support not enabled in kernel |
| 22:20.50 | Wyzard | JVolt: You need the public key that the package release is signed with, so that apt can check that the packages haven't been tampered with |
| 22:21.03 | valdyn | sx|lappy: aptitude install module-assistant;m-a prepare; m-a a-i rt2x00 ( and the alternative is: 'm-a a-i rt2500' ) |
| 22:21.08 | JVolt | hmm |
| 22:21.35 | Wyzard | JVolt: Debian's package-signing keys are in the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 22:21.38 | valdyn | sx|lappy: 2x00 is new and at least will be better than the old rt2500 which is probably still more reliable |
| 22:21.41 | sx|lappy | rt2x00 fails as above |
| 22:21.56 | Wyzard | JVolt: Kanotix would have its own key, and you'd have to get that from Kanotix |
| 22:21.59 | valdyn | sx|lappy: custom kernel? |
| 22:22.11 | sx|lappy | valdyn: don't think so |
| 22:22.13 | supaman | what package do I have to install if rake (a ruby make system) complains by "no such file to load -- spec/rake/spectask"?? |
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| 22:22.19 | valdyn | sx|lappy: uname -r |
| 22:22.22 | ladydoor | How would one go about determining what a process's parent process is? |
| 22:22.24 | JVolt | hmm, i see |
| 22:22.30 | JVolt | Wyzard: thx alot :) |
| 22:22.32 | sx|lappy | valdyn: 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 22:22.47 | valdyn | sx|lappy: use rt2500 for now |
| 22:23.05 | Wyzard | ladydoor: Look it up in "ps -ef" and look at the number in the "PPID" column (third from the left) |
| 22:23.18 | sx|lappy | valdyn: ok |
| 22:23.36 | eallik_ | someone? session optional pam_umask.so umask=002 in /etc/pam.d/common-session, but after rebooting umask is still 0022 |
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| 22:24.14 | valdyn | sx|lappy: rt2x00 is only developed for the netdev kernel tree now. Possibly it wont be easily usable before its merged into the kernel mainline |
| 22:24.18 | ladydoor | Wyzard: Ah, okay, found it. It's harmless after all. Thank you very much. |
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| 22:24.33 | Wyzard | Max_-: The most straightforward thing to do is to create the array during installation |
| 22:24.40 | sx|lappy | valdyn: I just want to use kismet ;D |
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| 22:25.25 | valdyn | sx|lappy: im not sure it supports that |
| 22:25.31 | valdyn | sx|lappy: try anyway, its been a while |
| 22:26.17 | JVolt | Wyzard: only one more question about keys... i has seen that in it's ftp is a file named "Release.gpg", should be that the key which i need?Or the key is getting by other way? |
| 22:26.20 | sx|lappy | valdyn: I can apparently set the card in monitor mode |
| 22:26.35 | valdyn | sx|lappy: neat |
| 22:26.49 | Max_- | Wyzard : okay, I'll check the mdadm manual (im doing now), and when I come back home I'll try to reinstall with the instructions found there... |
| 22:26.55 | Max_- | I hope I'll find some |
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| 22:27.07 | Wyzard | JVolt: That's not the key, that's the digital signature of the Release file, produced with a private key belonging to the distribution |
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| 22:27.14 | Wyzard | JVolt: The public key is what apt uses to verify the signature |
| 22:27.36 | DudeMan | should lsmod | grep "^snd" display sound modules? |
| 22:27.37 | Max_- | Wyzard : I guess I should not install grub on the master boot record then, right?!?! because if that disk breaks I'm done... I'll have to reinstall grub... |
| 22:27.57 | themill | DudeMan: yes |
| 22:28.00 | Wyzard | Max_-: Well, you need a bootloader *somewhere* |
| 22:28.09 | bjk | is there a way to get the real IP address from an IP masqueraded machine? |
| 22:28.13 | Wyzard | Max_-: and having to reinstall GRUB isn't really a big deal |
| 22:28.33 | valdyn | !myip |
| 22:28.33 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 22:28.36 | DudeMan | eeek. dont have any :/ |
| 22:28.41 | valdyn | bjk: the last command |
| 22:28.49 | DudeMan | !mcp61 |
| 22:28.57 | Wyzard | Max_-: btw, if you're using any RAID level other than 1, your /boot needs to be on a separate partition outside the array, or GRUB won't be able to use it |
| 22:28.59 | eallik_ | does someone know how to set umask with PAM?? |
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| 22:29.35 | Max_- | Wyzard : good to know... but that will be raid 1 ... and at worst, raid 0 over raid 1 |
| 22:29.50 | JVolt | Wyzard: i see, thanks Wyzard. I will try find some sid repository to get ntfs-3g from, one which have no keys, because i don't know how i could get it there |
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| 22:30.07 | Wyzard | Max_-: If you use RAID-0 you need a separate /boot |
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| 22:30.27 | Max_- | Wyzard : even if it's on top of two raid-1 ? |
| 22:30.37 | bjk | valdyn: thanks |
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| 22:31.21 | Wyzard | Max_-: GRUB doesn't know anything about RAID, and needs the filesystem containing /boot to be directly readable |
| 22:31.29 | Max_- | oh ok |
| 22:31.47 | Wyzard | Max_-: That's true on a RAID-1, but RAID-0 and RAID-5 do striping, which rearranges the data in ways that GRUB doesn't understand |
| 22:31.58 | xand | my /boot is on mdadm RAID... |
| 22:32.00 | Max_- | thanks.. for now i gtg.. brb when some more readings done |
| 22:32.12 | Max_- | ohh because of striping.. ok.. i understand now.. |
| 22:32.16 | Max_- | didn'T think about this |
| 22:32.18 | Wyzard | Max_-: Basically, /boot can't be on anything striped |
| 22:32.24 | xand | oh, it's 1 |
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| 22:32.36 | Max_- | xand : :P |
| 22:32.44 | Max_- | alright! l8r! |
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| 22:33.53 | user__ | Hi guys |
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| 22:36.33 | JVolt | hello |
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| 22:37.24 | wfq | I've recompiled the kernel 2.6.22. I just set up the options so that my laptop got started but I am now getting all the time the root's password when the laptop is starting up |
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| 22:37.46 | xand | what do you mean? |
| 22:37.51 | wfq | does anyone know if 2.6.22 brings with a default option to ask you that_ |
| 22:38.00 | xand | sounds like it can't boot |
| 22:38.06 | Wyzard | wfq: The kernel doesn't ask you for passwords, ever |
| 22:38.10 | Wyzard | wfq: Userspace programs do that |
| 22:38.23 | themill | it's not dropping to an emergency prompt |
| 22:38.33 | themill | (perhaps...) |
| 22:38.38 | jeffwheeler | Just out of curiosity, is there any GUI-based way to configure what applications can stream audio, or proxy that in any way? I saw a similar function in Windows a long time ago, and it could be used to block applications like Firefox from sending audio to the speakers. |
| 22:38.52 | themill | apologies... my mental faculties are well worn out tonight... I can't remember it's name |
| 22:39.05 | xand | *CLEAR* |
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| 22:39.28 | Wyzard | wfq: You might be booting in single-user mode for some reason, or it could be encountering a problem while running fsck or something and trying to launch a root shell so you can fix the problem |
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| 22:40.00 | undesktop | "I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" wtf? |
| 22:40.02 | themill | Wyzard: yeah... that's where I was headed. Glad someone could interpret my ramblings |
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| 22:40.12 | undesktop | this happen when apt-get dist-upgrade calls scrollkeeper-update |
| 22:40.18 | wfq | Wyzard I can get a root's shell once I set my root password |
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| 22:40.30 | xand | wfq: what does it say before it asks for password? |
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| 22:40.55 | wfq | I think it is throwing up an ata's error |
| 22:41.07 | wfq | I can see that with dmesg |
| 22:41.09 | majmun | i'd like to restrict the commands for a sudo-user. he shall be able to create files in a directory which can include a-z, 0-9 and - with a min. lenght of 3 and a maximum of 16, but writing into /etc/sudoers: touch /path/[a-z0-9-]{3,16} doesn't work...does anyone know the right syntax..? |
| 22:41.32 | xand | not sure that's possible |
| 22:41.44 | majmun | well, [a-z0-9-]* is possible |
| 22:41.48 | xand | wfq: well, the actual message? |
| 22:41.56 | majmun | i assume, that what i want is possible too..? |
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| 22:42.25 | themill | majmun: why are you trying to do this> |
| 22:42.38 | majmun | because i want to restrict that for a special user |
| 22:43.14 | Wyzard | majmun: You could write a shell script which checks the characters and length of the filename, and allow sudo access to that instead |
| 22:44.01 | majmun | you mean [a-z0-9-]* is possible, but the idea behind [a-z0-9-]{3,16} is not..? |
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| 22:44.43 | themill | majmun: man sudoers |
| 22:45.40 | Wyzard | majmun: I have no idea whether it's possible; I don't use sudo |
| 22:46.00 | Wyzard | majmun: but a script would be an alternative way to do it if necessary |
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| 22:46.44 | themill | I still have a sneaking suspicion that you're asking the wrong question though... |
| 22:46.52 | majmun | why? |
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| 22:47.34 | wfq | zand,themill,Wyzard this is the error I am having http://pastebin.ca/720055 |
| 22:47.40 | wfq | this is at the end of the file |
| 22:48.14 | wfq | I have no idea why the system is throwing up that device-mapper: ioctl: 4.11.0-ioctl (2006-10-12) initialised: dm-devel@redhat.com |
| 22:48.22 | Wyzard | wfq: Are you using LVM? |
| 22:48.36 | simonrvn | lvm driver, that's all |
| 22:48.51 | wfq | should I? |
| 22:48.58 | Wyzard | I don't know why it'd be trying to create a dm-linear mapping if you're not using LVM |
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| 22:49.20 | Wyzard | wfq: There's nothing wrong with not using LVM; I just can't think of why you'd get those dm-linear messages if you aren't |
| 22:49.36 | Wyzard | wfq: Are you using fakeraid? |
| 22:49.47 | themill | majmun: It is just such a weird request to make, and that usually signifies that you're trying to solve a problem in a weird way, and that there is perhaps a much easier approach that tackles your real problem in a different way. That's all. |
| 22:49.53 | wfq | Wyzard, I have the new SATA driver for inte AHCI |
| 22:49.54 | Wyzard | That'd be another possible cause, if you're using a "hardware" fakeraid RAID-1 |
| 22:50.14 | wfq | they ar enot fakearaid as far as I know |
| 22:50.24 | Wyzard | wfq: AHCI works great in Linux... but are you actually using a RAID array configured in the BIOS, or just using the drive(s) as ordinary drive(s)? |
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| 22:50.46 | majmun | hm... i don't believe so. it's just that i know what i want - restricting the commands of an user, which is not allowed to create what's not allowed |
| 22:51.03 | majmun | because in that way [a-z0-9-]* he may also write |
| 22:51.16 | wfq | Wyzard, the latter. I dont have RAID since this is a laptop |
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| 22:51.18 | majmun | touch /path/../this_file_is_being_generated_in_root |
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| 22:51.25 | linux_jones | why does kde suck so bad? |
| 22:51.26 | majmun | it's just an example |
| 22:51.33 | wfq | Wyzard, in fact my kernel 2.6.18 is working fine |
| 22:51.33 | Wyzard | wfq: dunno what would be causing those dm-linear errors, then |
| 22:51.47 | wfq | hmmmmmmm I can guess what, give me a sec |
| 22:51.50 | Wyzard | wfq: You mentioned that you'd compiled 2.6.22... why did you compile it rather than using a packaged one? |
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| 22:52.08 | themill | majmun: the unix file permissions prevent that from happening anyway. |
| 22:52.27 | themill | linux_jones: it doesn't/ |
| 22:52.51 | majmun | no, they do not, i just tested it, because the user creates that with root-permissions |
| 22:52.54 | wfq | well, I use all the time tar.gz kernel rather than using the debian one. This could be a bad behaviour but I have to do the same in a server so I wanted to get training |
| 22:52.59 | undesktop | linux_jones: tell reasons |
| 22:53.21 | Wyzard | wfq: Packaged kernels are generally preferable, unless you have a specific reason to need a custom-configured one |
| 22:53.22 | linux_jones | it messed up my gnome |
| 22:53.41 | Wyzard | linux_jones: KDE "messed up" GNOME? |
| 22:53.46 | jetscreamer | blame the admin |
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| 22:53.54 | themill | majmun: huh? hang on... why are you giving sudo rights for touch anyway? |
| 22:54.13 | themill | majmun: and why this 3-16 char restriction |
| 22:54.18 | majmun | wait a second......i need to think about that situation |
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| 22:54.35 | wfq | Wyzard, the server is a redhat |
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| 22:54.52 | Wyzard | wfq: and you're asking about it in #debian? |
| 22:55.14 | wfq | Wyzard because the problem I am now having is on Debian |
| 22:55.23 | wfq | my laptop is running a debian |
| 22:55.45 | Wyzard | wfq: OK, so the server has nothing to do with it |
| 22:55.50 | wfq | Wyzard, if I could manage I would never use redhat but you know, bosses usually decide |
| 22:56.21 | Wyzard | wfq: I don't see why your use of RH on a server means you need to custom-compile a kernel on your Debian laptop |
| 22:56.57 | Wyzard | wfq: and anyway, RH has packaged kernels too... on both distros, packaged kernels are preferable unless you have a specific need to custom-configure one |
| 22:57.04 | wfq | Wizard, I didnt in last year so I thought, well I have to recompile the redhat server's kernel. I am going to start by my laptop |
| 22:57.20 | linux_jones | well it messed up all the menus added things i wont ever use again, and now the xscreensaver menu wont come up and vlc doesnt work in iceweasel |
| 22:57.21 | Wyzard | wfq: Why do you need to recompile the server's kernel? |
| 22:57.35 | simonrvn | !rogue |
| 22:57.35 | dpkg | well, rogue is a crazy ASCII art dungeon game |
| 22:57.45 | Wyzard | wfq: Keep in mind that if you stop using the official supported (packaged) kernel you lose the benefit of automatic security updates |
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| 22:58.21 | simonrvn | !no rogue is <reply> rogue is a crazy ASCII art dungeon game, in debian found in non-free, in the package bsdgames-nonfree |
| 22:58.21 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 22:58.27 | simonrvn | @no rogue is <reply> rogue is a crazy ASCII art dungeon game, in debian found in non-free, in the package bsdgames-nonfree |
| 22:58.30 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 22:58.43 | Wyzard | hmm, original rogue is packaged? |
| 22:58.45 | Wyzard | didn't know that |
| 22:58.48 | Wyzard | ToME is better though :-) |
| 22:59.06 | DustyDingo | hm, is it possible to fake window properties under X? |
| 22:59.11 | simonrvn | i d/led it the other day, haven't tried it yet |
| 22:59.29 | DustyDingo | for instance WM_CLASS(STRING) = "cairo-clock", "Cairo-clock" |
| 22:59.47 | wfq | Wyzard, yes I know. I think you alright what you said about LVM. it was compiled as image (this come by default) |
| 23:00.03 | DustyDingo | my problem is, that fluxbox should place two instances on two diferent places |
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| 23:00.55 | DustyDingo | so i am searching something like an external tool, which does the same as e.g. -name does for xterm |
| 23:01.17 | JVolt | guys, do anyone know how can i turn off the beep? |
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| 23:01.41 | JVolt | its making my mother crazy lol |
| 23:01.51 | xand | umm |
| 23:02.01 | undesktop | JVolt: what beep? |
| 23:02.02 | themill | JVolt: on console or in xterm/gnome-terminal/konsole |
| 23:02.29 | JVolt | beep in kde konsole |
| 23:02.59 | DustyDingo | JVolt: xset -b |
| 23:03.19 | JVolt | thx alot :D |
| 23:03.24 | themill | JVolt: Settings -> bell -> visible |
| 23:03.40 | DustyDingo | have a look on the manpage, it takes 3 parameters |
| 23:04.42 | JVolt | kk im looking , but looks like perfectly good already :) |
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| 23:07.05 | kcitSkcuF | How come I can't join #debian-women ? |
| 23:07.21 | ApEtc | clear |
| 23:07.32 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: You'd probably want to ask the moderator(s) of that channel. |
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| 23:07.42 | undesktop | wtf is #debian-women |
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| 23:08.21 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: ... or read the message you got in the freenode status channel. |
| 23:08.37 | kcitSkcuF | yeah, it sent me to #unavailable |
| 23:08.48 | kcitSkcuF | #debian-women ##unavailable Forwarding to another channel |
| 23:08.53 | JVolt | guys, i has installed the debian yesterday from basic install, i already installed kde, linux headers and something more.. BUT now i just tried use xmms and it didnt work, what i need do to install my realtek onborad audiocard? |
| 23:09.00 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: "##unavailable: you've tried to join an unavailable channel..." |
| 23:09.06 | kcitSkcuF | well there are ppl there |
| 23:09.08 | kcitSkcuF | I want in |
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| 23:09.12 | kcitSkcuF | !seen helix |
| 23:09.12 | dpkg | helix <~e@amnesiac.heapspace.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 11h 40m 46s ago, saying: 'american imports of the highest quality'. |
| 23:09.13 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: Follow-up suggestions follow. |
| 23:09.13 | Sebboh | Hi. I'm using some python stuff, specifically pylab (matplotlib) and, I can specify font faces for the graphics that are output. But.. I don't know what fonts python has access to. How do I find out? And.. Is there a font that has all the same characters as MS Arial Unicode? |
| 23:09.19 | kcitSkcuF | see |
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| 23:09.22 | kcitSkcuF | helix is in there |
| 23:09.27 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: Well, then, ask helix. |
| 23:09.28 | undesktop | JVolt: didn't work = ? |
| 23:09.33 | kcitSkcuF | nah |
| 23:09.33 | |messiah| | I am working with rpc and I get an error in the compilation I get /lib/crt1.o: In function '_start', reference to main, id returned 1 exit status What can be this problem? |
| 23:09.35 | kcitSkcuF | she isn't here |
| 23:09.40 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: ... and tell her I don't say hi ;-) |
| 23:09.45 | JVolt | always the installation install the audio to me, but now i dunno what's worng, i think i have no audio card driver installed |
| 23:09.55 | kcitSkcuF | karsten You don't like her either? |
| 23:10.06 | JVolt | undesktop: the xmms dont work, i think theres not installed audio card driver |
| 23:10.08 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: I didn't say that. |
| 23:10.12 | kcitSkcuF | I did. |
| 23:10.15 | xjih78 | when update-grub and boot back again it doesn't load |
| 23:10.16 | JVolt | but im not sure |
| 23:10.20 | xjih78 | the new kernels |
| 23:10.24 | qrck | why is /lib/tls that much restricting ? i have to rename it in lenny to something like tls.forb or so in order to be able to chroot into .... |
| 23:10.34 | undesktop | JVolt: what does xmms say? if it doesn't start at all, what does it output on the console? |
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| 23:11.55 | wfq | arghhhhh. The error disappeared but it still asks me for the root passsord or ctrl-D to continue |
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| 23:12.12 | JVolt | undesktop: it say to me check if i got a audio card configured or to select a diff IO plugin |
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| 23:12.41 | wfq | there is not any error in the dmesg's output |
| 23:12.52 | xjih78 | hi everybody. when i do upgrade-grub and reboot it doesn't load the images by default |
| 23:13.06 | JVolt | undesktop: but only when i try play that |
| 23:13.17 | karsten | kcitSkcuF: Anyhow, you're going to have to resolve this through folks who're associated with #debian-women. Which doesn't include me. Last I heard helix was sort of on-again-off-again with the group. |
| 23:13.21 | eallik | I put session optional pam_umask.so umask=002 into /etc/pam.d/common-session, but after rebooting the umask still shows 0022 instead of 0002. do I have to enable pam somehow or am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:13.31 | Xitium | Hello, I just used apt-get to get bitchx the last thing it says is "warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory |
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| 23:13.41 | wfq | there is any warning either |
| 23:13.55 | undesktop | JVolt: well, I have no idea how to install the sound stuff... but you could try to run "alsaconf" as root |
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| 23:15.20 | themill | eallik: are you sure you're not overriding the umask in one of the login files? |
| 23:15.21 | JVolt | undesktop: im installing alsa-utils and alsamixergui to try, cuz alsaconf or alsamixer is not avaliable.. |
| 23:15.24 | JVolt | undesktop: thx alot :) |
| 23:16.01 | undesktop | I'm glad if I could really help |
| 23:16.27 | themill | eallik: it might defined in login.defs and is definitely in /etc/profile, amongst other places like your own .bash_profile or .bashrc |
| 23:16.43 | xjih78 | well, maybe i should say it doesn't display the upgrade as it should |
| 23:16.52 | xjih78 | im talking about grub |
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| 23:18.06 | JVolt | it works! |
| 23:18.11 | undesktop | JVolt: yay |
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| 23:18.20 | JVolt | thx undesktop :D |
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| 23:19.13 | Xitium | Hello, I just used apt-get to get bitchx the last thing it says is "warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory" why in debian does that font path not work? |
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| 23:19.56 | wols | Xitium: because that particular fontpath doesn't exist? |
| 23:20.03 | wols | also, why don't you use irssi? |
| 23:20.20 | foutrelis | or Opera :) |
| 23:20.30 | Xitium | cuz I like bitchx :P |
| 23:20.32 | JVolt | cya guys, i gtg to eat.. bb |
| 23:20.55 | foutrelis | Xitium: Doesn't it work, despite the warning? |
| 23:20.57 | Xitium | I know the font path doesn't exist. Guess my question is how do I point it to where the fonts are? |
| 23:21.10 | Xitium | Yes it does work despite the warning |
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| 23:24.09 | raize | Hello, I use custom kernel (no debian way, classic way instead) but all time using aptitude uprgade from security updates, if the debian kernel has bugs, it uses update-grub and break all my custom from menu.lst, what is the way fix this situation? |
| 23:24.46 | xand | it does that even with normal kernels :S |
| 23:24.54 | xand | s/normal/debian/ |
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| 23:25.14 | raize | and, it is not possible to 'disable this' ? |
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| 23:26.01 | census3 | Hi guys |
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| 23:26.36 | wols | raize: edit your menu.lst |
| 23:27.01 | wols | oh, your kernels disappear from menu.lst: make kernels the debian way. you don't lose anything |
| 23:27.05 | wols | !tell raize about kp |
| 23:27.07 | undesktop | how can I "tune" Linux to the desktop (instead i.e. being a server)? |
| 23:27.13 | raize | wols: yes, but using 'grub-update' it delete it |
| 23:27.21 | Korli44 | is there a linux application that can do a vertical split screen on a wide monitor (so you can view say, a web page, or a word document, like a book)??? |
| 23:27.24 | wols | raize: I told you. make .debs from your kernels |
| 23:27.35 | raize | wols: yes, but I don't want to use 'debian way' :( |
| 23:27.39 | undesktop | wols: that's no solution |
| 23:27.43 | wols | raize: why not? |
| 23:28.11 | wols | undesktop: it is. he loses nothing at all and gains something (not just a working update-grub) |
| 23:28.19 | themill | undesktop: if you don't do things the debian way, you don't complain that things don't work the way you want under debian... |
| 23:28.32 | raize | wols: because is a remote server and the custom compiled kernel runs fine, and I don't want to 'erase something', please tell me if it is possible to remove or something update-grub .( |
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| 23:28.55 | wols | raize: you can keep your custom kernel just fine |
| 23:29.02 | wols | but still use make-kpkg |
| 23:29.18 | raize | without recompiling? |
| 23:29.23 | wols | configure the kernel, run "make-kpkg binary-arch" and you get a shiny deb |
| 23:29.34 | raize | the, compiling xD |
| 23:30.19 | wols | raize: we are #debian. we hand out debian solutions. if you want it to do it another way: feel free but then you can't really expect support here, can you? |
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| 23:30.27 | themill | raize: you should man update-grub too. You should be able to suppress the call to update-grub by editing the file /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 23:30.32 | raize | mv /sbin/update-grub /sbin/update-grub_disable #fix it |
| 23:30.40 | ErichK | Hey, how can I change the localizartion on my install? |
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| 23:30.50 | ErichK | localization* |
| 23:30.53 | wols | raize: that's not a fix, that's a kludge |
| 23:30.58 | Yut | Voté Charles-Alexandre Deschamps (Pour qu'il peut aller en tournoi de skate-board) Vote pour Charche-Alexandre : http://islandproductions.org/blog/?page_id=355Q |
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| 23:31.01 | wols | !tell ErichK about locales |
| 23:31.19 | themill | raize: you should also be able to correctly configure your menu.lst so that update-grub does the right thing. |
| 23:31.21 | raize | wols: yes, but it works, if it uses grub-update it deletes my menu.ls and the server does not start if rebooted1 |
| 23:31.28 | d00dMan | anyone got a good link for a debian way nvidia audio install? |
| 23:31.40 | raize | themill: I was delte all lines about update-grub and it still delete it |
| 23:31.41 | themill | raize: killing off the update-grub executable will break the next time *that* package is updated. |
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| 23:32.36 | undesktop | how do I set the default version of the Python interpreter? |
| 23:32.47 | undesktop | (Debian unstable) |
| 23:32.50 | wols | d00dMan: nvidia audio drivers are drivers like any others. either use ac97 or snd_hda_intel |
| 23:33.35 | d00dMan | wols: amd would be ac97? |
| 23:33.37 | wols | undesktop: you can change the symlink but it's not advised to do so |
| 23:33.42 | themill | raize: what did you do to what file? |
| 23:33.47 | undesktop | wols: then what to do? |
| 23:33.50 | wols | d00dMan: no. that has NOTHING to do with CPU makers |
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| 23:34.08 | wols | DocPlatypus: ac97 and snd_hda_intel both are invented by intel |
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| 23:34.22 | pipeline | undesktop: the alternatives system |
| 23:34.31 | Korli44 | is there a linux application that can do a vertical split screen on a wide monitor (so you can view say, a web page, or a word document, like a book)??? |
| 23:34.33 | wols | undesktop: not all python additional packages are available for the newer pythona faik |
| 23:34.44 | wols | pipeline: does it have an entry for pyhon? mine doesn't |
| 23:34.48 | pipeline | Korli44: be more specific |
| 23:34.51 | undesktop | pipeline: "update-alternatives --config python" doesn't work, says "no alternatives for python" |
| 23:34.57 | pipeline | undesktop: go figure |
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| 23:35.08 | undesktop | figure what |
| 23:35.10 | Korli44 | pipeline: more specific in what ways? |
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| 23:35.49 | pipeline | Schweety: I'm not sure what you're asking for. There are certainly tiling window managers that could do what you want. You could take it further by using a tiling window manager plus two instances of Xnest :) |
| 23:36.02 | pipeline | Schweety: konqueror, the browser, can do split windows inside itself. |
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| 23:37.11 | Schweety | pipeline: I have tried to do window rotation on my very wide monitor in KDE and Gnome but I haven't had luck with that. So I figured maybe there is some way to tweak X to display two pages of text on the same screen (for Firefox and Latex really) |
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| 23:37.31 | dergraf_ | Where does kdb5_util pick up its host name? it creates a principal "kadmin/old.host.name@REALM" even though the host name has been changed a long time ago |
| 23:37.59 | dergraf_ | I can't find any references in /etc to the old host name |
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| 23:40.10 | themill | dergraf_: /etc/krb5.conf, iirc... |
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| 23:40.34 | dergraf_ | I'll check again, but I'm sure it is not in there |
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| 23:41.34 | themill | dergraf_: many of these things are capitalised making it more hassle to grep for them (-i is your friend) |
| 23:41.36 | dergraf_ | Not in there. Neither in the config files in /etc/krb5kdc/ |
| 23:41.42 | themill | :( |
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| 23:43.36 | dergraf_ | Maybe strace will show me where it gets the host name |
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| 23:44.01 | themill | that's a rather large hammer to use for the size of the nut, but yes, it might work |
| 23:44.26 | dergraf_ | i'm running out of other ideas |
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| 23:45.07 | themill | *sigh* |
| 23:45.10 | themill | how lame |
| 23:45.34 | kintaro | DCC SEND I_SMELL_NIGGER\a |
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| 23:45.37 | streuner | dpkg, no sid faq is <reply> http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 23:45.37 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 23:45.49 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 23:46.26 | streuner | yes, i need to edit it, sgeigerbot isnt online and tarzeau's page points to wiki.d.o |
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| 23:47.07 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath_ jeffwheeler Noven megasquid floppypond eallik blq kevinw: fix your firewall or irc clients, please. |
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| 23:47.34 | megasquid | dondelelcaro, what do you mean? |
| 23:47.56 | geo-rge | can debian install these days in such a way that all storage is in lvm? |
| 23:47.59 | dondelelcaro | megasquid: your firewall or irc client is vulerable to the DCC DOS. |
| 23:48.02 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: yes |
| 23:48.24 | geo-rge | can I create an lv, mount it somewhere and debootstrap one? |
| 23:48.35 | dondelelcaro | sure |
| 23:48.37 | megasquid | dondelelcaro, sot sure how i'd fix that any advice |
| 23:48.43 | FrancoGG | megasquid, a temp solution could be connecting to freenode through another port, for example 8001 |
| 23:49.07 | dondelelcaro | megasquid: presumably your firewall has a firmware update that fixes it, or you could do what FrancoGG proposes. |
| 23:49.09 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:49.11 | thedonvaughn | was someone doing that linksys router DCC exploit? |
| 23:49.27 | FrancoGG | thedonvaughn, yes |
| 23:49.40 | thedonvaughn | get a cheap box, iptables it as your NAT/Firewall. set your WAP behind it. Problem solved |
| 23:50.05 | thedonvaughn | FrancoGG, ah. Yah someone was here last night doing it too |
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| 23:52.11 | d00dMan | wols: is there a preference amongst the Debian community for ac97 or snd_card ? |
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| 23:52.47 | streuner | why not just use ALSA (snd-)? |
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| 23:53.12 | streuner | just ask in channel, its late in .de :-) |
| 23:53.18 | streuner | So 30. Sep 01:53:17 CEST 2007 |
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| 23:53.36 | themill | night all! |
| 23:53.52 | streuner | good night themill |
| 23:53.57 | xand | hhm |
| 23:55.06 | d00dMan | nite themill |
| 23:55.34 | streuner | d00dMan: most people prolly use ALSA in Debian, because modules are in 2.6.x kernels and its easy to configure |
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| 23:57.52 | geo-rge | yeah, the oss modules are in the process of getting the boot from the kernel |
| 23:58.06 | geo-rge | or it's already done |
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