| 00:00.04 | geo-rge | I'm running etch, how can I set up a xen? |
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| 00:00.09 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: it would be unwise to do so, but you can use tune2fs probably. |
| 00:00.18 | Guerin | geo-rge: /msg dpkg xen |
| 00:00.33 | Christoph_vW | what does root needs reserved space on my storage raids for? |
| 00:00.43 | abrotman | that's the default |
| 00:01.01 | Guerin | Christoph_vW: only you can answer that, but you should find out before you nuke it. |
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| 00:04.07 | Christoph_vW | tune2fs did it :) |
| 00:05.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me connect to a wpa-encrypted wlan? |
| 00:06.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | dmesg coughs up errors like wlan0: mismatch in privacy configuration and mixed-cell disabled - abort association |
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| 00:07.22 | Christoph_vW | looks like I have to buy new hdds anyway - only 10GB left |
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| 00:09.29 | awesomess3 | WHat's the best way to handle Perl in Debian, when the perl install is blown. (I'm trying to install a module called Weewar, which has a 100% CPAN test success rate, from CPAN via `sudo cpan Weewar`, and it fails :(). And I hate dealing with these problems, ugh! |
| 00:09.38 | cr3 | how can I list the content of a .deb file? |
| 00:10.07 | cr3 | nevermind, dpkg -c |
| 00:10.36 | SerajewelKS | awesomess3: how do you know it's blown |
| 00:11.01 | awesomess3 | SerajewelKS: because the `cpan Weewar` fails. |
| 00:11.03 | RichiH | is there a websvn on alioth? |
| 00:11.04 | wols_ | and more awesomeness: installed any deb packages lately? |
| 00:11.40 | awesomess3 | wols_: yeah, all the time. |
| 00:12.03 | wols_ | then it can't be "blown" |
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| 00:12.55 | awesomess3 | wols_: of course it is, it just blew up in my face |
| 00:13.23 | geo-rge | Guerin: do you have experience with xen on etch? if so, would you care to join me at irc.oftc.net #debian-xen? |
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| 00:13.29 | stew | Reilithion: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn |
| 00:13.32 | stew | RichiH: ^^^ |
| 00:13.33 | Guerin | geo-rge: i have none, I'm sorry. |
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| 00:13.42 | qwerty | hello |
| 00:13.44 | stew | Reilithion: (not you, sorry) |
| 00:13.46 | Guerin | well - i use it as a client, but it Just Works, so I know nothing about it. |
| 00:13.54 | Reilithion | stew: 'sok |
| 00:13.56 | geo-rge | np, thanks. anyone else? the lazy bums there won't answer :P |
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| 00:14.41 | geo-rge | Guerin: then maybe you can answer one question: what kernel package are you running on that box? |
| 00:15.10 | Guerin | geo-rge: a custom one |
| 00:15.12 | qwerty | alguien instalo un cluster openmosix en un kernel 2.4.21? |
| 00:15.24 | stew | !es |
| 00:15.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:16.02 | RichiH | stew: ta |
| 00:16.39 | geo-rge | Guerin: does it have a cool package name which might shed some light on what I should install on clients? (admittedly, I'm not at that point yet, trying to find out how to get the master going right now) |
| 00:16.39 | qwerty | thanks |
| 00:16.53 | qwerty | close |
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| 00:17.46 | Guerin | geo-rge: apparently not any kind of -image-* at all. |
| 00:17.58 | geo-rge | hmm ok |
| 00:18.16 | geo-rge | appreciate you trying. |
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| 00:21.09 | jane1 | which package should i install for libstdc++.so.5 |
| 00:21.21 | Guerin | woah |
| 00:21.30 | Guerin | the 1990s want they shit back |
| 00:21.37 | Guerin | !libstdc++.so.5 |
| 00:21.37 | dpkg | it has been said that libstdc++.so.5 is a library that can only be found in sarge or later. Ask me about <woody->sarge> for upgrade info. |
| 00:21.52 | Guerin | oh, early 2000s then |
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| 00:24.02 | cr3 | I have a package named foobar and, in debian/foobar.install, I have: usr/lib/python*/site-packages/foobar/*. however, the resulting packages contains far more files. might there be an obvious reason? |
| 00:24.22 | sinizzl | is there an other way than qemu to make use of kvm ? |
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| 00:25.59 | gravity | cr3: Like what other files are in the package that shouldn't be there? |
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| 00:27.12 | cr3 | gravity: heh, good question :) I didn't mean those usual debian files but files from the project which should be contained in another package :) |
| 00:27.41 | gravity | cr3: I'm not sure I understand. Are you building multiple packages from that one source package? |
| 00:27.42 | cr3 | gravity: my setup.py installs a bunch of files and I was hoping that the .install file would limit the files of the package to the regular expressions in that file |
| 00:27.47 | Torrential | Hi, can anyone give me some advice on how to resolve these dependencies on my debian lenny system? The output from "apt-get -f install" is this: http://pastebin.com/d33c96593 |
| 00:27.50 | cr3 | gravity: yes |
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| 00:28.23 | gravity | cr3: You can do that, but they have to match using shell matching methods, iirc |
| 00:28.52 | gravity | cr3: If all you're doing is installing everything "yourpath/*" then you'll get everything. You can manually list every individual file in there that you want installed for that package too. |
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| 00:29.46 | cr3 | gravity: I'm using shell matching methods, and I even tested them manually under debian/tmp which is there setup.py seems to chroot |
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| 00:30.42 | gravity | hrm |
| 00:30.59 | cr3 | gravity: the other packages built from that same source tree seem to work though, if that helps |
| 00:31.52 | gravity | cr3: Could you post your source tree somewhere that I could grab it and poke around? |
| 00:31.57 | gravity | cr3: That'd make things a lot easier |
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| 00:33.22 | cr3 | gravity: just the find output of my source tree? |
| 00:33.36 | gravity | cr3: Well, the debian dir really |
| 00:33.40 | gravity | cr3: I need to look at the packaging |
| 00:34.04 | gravity | Not being able to see your debian/rules, *.install, etc makes it difficult to troubleshoot |
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| 00:39.50 | cr3 | gravity: give me a moment, I'll try to debug this some more before taking too much of your time analysing my code |
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| 00:41.15 | gravity | cr3: Ok |
| 00:41.20 | cr3 | gravity: for example, I just found out that python setup.py was being called for one package and not the others |
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| 00:45.42 | johnadsfsdfdf | i've installed exim on debian and im trying to use .forward files to forward my email, but they arent working... i checked the logs and it looks like they aren't even being considered. does anyone know how to enable .forward file forwarding? |
| 00:46.22 | cr3 | gravity: it's as if packages name python-* are treated differently |
| 00:46.23 | PietroGiovanni | hi, i cant open preferences on almots any programs in my debian, the error is with absence of libgnomebreakpad.so... anyone can help? |
| 00:46.23 | dalias | read the comments in exim.conf |
| 00:46.30 | dalias | they're probably enough to learn how |
| 00:47.20 | gravity | cr3: They might be. I've never packaged a python package. There's several helpers for python and they're all opaque to me unfortunately |
| 00:47.30 | dalias | i haven't setup exim in a long time so i'm not sure |
| 00:48.31 | johnadsfsdfdf | ive been trying to figure this out for about a week now... it shouldn't be hard, but im no exim whiz... ill ask in #exim |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | johnadsfsdfdf: what are the perms on the file ? |
| 00:49.04 | cr3 | gravity: I'm using cdbs to "help" me, but the help can only go so far sometimes... I guess :) |
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| 00:49.34 | johnadsfsdfdf | -rw-r--r-- 1 john john 0 2007-10-01 00:26 .forward |
| 00:49.39 | dalias | back a long time ago when i used exim it just worked out of the box.. |
| 00:49.39 | PietroGiovanni | gnomebreakpad? any? |
| 00:50.01 | dalias | are you sure your .forward file is well-formed? |
| 00:50.26 | gravity | cr3: Ah, I don't use cdbs at all because it's really opaque. |
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| 00:50.33 | dalias | it should be either just an email address, or a | followed by a command to pipe the email to |
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| 00:51.18 | cr3 | gravity: aha! I found the few lines in python-distutils.mk which cause this behavior relating to variable DEB_PYTHON_REAL_LIB_PACKAGES |
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| 00:52.05 | cr3 | gravity: this is crazy, I don't quite see how I can overwrite this darn behavior :( |
| 00:52.06 | johnadsfsdfdf | dalias the content is just one line... account@gmail.com |
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| 00:52.17 | gravity | cr3: I don't know man... cdbs is out of my depth. |
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| 00:52.39 | gravity | cr3: When it doesn't do what you want, you have to know the guts of the thing to fix it. |
| 00:52.48 | cr3 | gravity: and I love how the hack is documented with this stupid line: # make: *** No rule to make target `voodoo'. Stop. |
| 00:52.53 | gravity | heh |
| 00:53.09 | gravity | cr3: Anyway, I'm going afk for a while. Good luck. |
| 00:53.26 | cr3 | anyone who's coded for more than a year knows that humor doesn't work well as comments |
| 00:53.28 | gravity | cr3: You may want to drop in on #debian-mentors on oftc, or write debian-mentors@lists.debian.org for help |
| 00:53.37 | cr3 | gravity: thanks for your offer to help, much appreciated |
| 00:53.43 | johnadsfsdfdf | i looked in the mainlog file from exim, the message gets delivered to the box, [R=local_user T=maildir_home] without any .forward filtering |
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| 00:54.28 | dalias | look in exim.conf and see if there's a transport or whatever for forwards |
| 00:54.52 | mustmr | what are the necessary packages to print a ps file? |
| 00:55.05 | mustmr | i have gs-gpl, gsfonts, magicfilter, lprng |
| 00:55.19 | mustmr | and it isn't working |
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| 00:58.25 | dalias | for me i only needed lprng |
| 00:58.33 | dalias | but thats because my printer supports postscript :) |
| 00:58.41 | mustmr | :/ |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | does exim run in a chroot ? |
| 00:58.58 | dalias | abrotman, i dunno, does it? |
| 00:59.04 | dalias | that would explain .forwards not working.. |
| 00:59.06 | abrotman | i don't use exim .. FIIK |
| 00:59.10 | sponzor | how to remove a installed program?? |
| 00:59.11 | sponzor | :) |
| 00:59.28 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 00:59.28 | dalias | apt-get remove packagename |
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| 00:59.50 | sponzor | a didnt used aptitude or apt-get. i installed it with wget than configure make etc... |
| 00:59.52 | dalias | or dpkg --remove (or --purge if you want to kill all config files etc. too) |
| 00:59.57 | dalias | oh |
| 01:00.07 | dalias | then manually rm each file that belongs to it |
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| 01:00.13 | sponzor | lol |
| 01:00.15 | dalias | :) |
| 01:00.23 | dalias | seriously |
| 01:00.30 | sponzor | hmm |
| 01:00.49 | sponzor | what about if the program is in some other programs |
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| 01:00.59 | sponzor | i mean like in http etc |
| 01:01.02 | sponzor | i dont know how to say it |
| 01:01.03 | abrotman | you can sometimes use make uninstall if you still have it around |
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| 01:01.09 | dalias | if you want you could install it again and use an install-watcher program to get a list of all the files it created |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | !stow |
| 01:01.12 | dpkg | it has been said that stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 01:01.14 | abrotman | !checkinstall |
| 01:01.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58875&sid=80f33f6e8e3089dbd87513e9ca941775 |
| 01:01.49 | sponzor | hmm |
| 01:01.56 | sponzor | install-watcher |
| 01:01.59 | PietroGiovanni | !dpkg spammer |
| 01:02.46 | sponzor | any www page of src or someting? |
| 01:02.46 | enouf | nah, i just put new duracells in abrotman ;-) |
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| 01:04.41 | sponzor | dalias :P |
| 01:05.19 | PietroGiovanni | delios? |
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| 01:06.16 | abrotman | PietroGiovanni: are you broken ? |
| 01:07.16 | magyar | hi, how do i reinstall a deb? |
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| 01:08.00 | maher | magyar: jsut install it again |
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| 01:09.25 | abrotman | maher: with which tool ? |
| 01:09.41 | sponzor | anyone? |
| 01:09.52 | SlackRat | dpkg -i |
| 01:10.08 | abrotman | sponzor: do you still have the source somewhere ? |
| 01:10.26 | magyar | apt-get --reinstall install $package |
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| 01:10.41 | magyar | eheeh |
| 01:10.44 | maher | abrotman: dpkg -i or apt-get --reinstall blah... |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install <pkg> or dpkg -i <pkg> or aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
| 01:11.11 | magyar | you guys are sharp as always |
| 01:12.39 | sponzor | abrotman nagios... :) i want to install that install watcher.. becose a lot of times i have problams to remove program that i installed |
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| 01:13.03 | abrotman | sponzor: i didn't tell you about that .. dalias did .. ask him about it .. the bot said about stow and checkinstall |
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| 01:13.21 | magyar | having problems with 2.6.21, module-assistant and fglrx. Compile fails. SOS |
| 01:13.40 | GentooDude | can some one tell me briefly who debian is aimed at.. i know gentoo is very versatile, some others are for easy install, etc.. |
| 01:13.49 | stew | GentooDude: /msg dpkg sc |
| 01:14.11 | magyar | all of us |
| 01:14.23 | magyar | i got nailed on the forhead |
| 01:14.24 | stew | GentooDude: its not aimed at anyone in particular. its made by people that are interested in free software above all else |
| 01:14.49 | GentooDude | So its general right |
| 01:14.57 | maher | its the universal os - its aimed at the universe |
| 01:14.57 | dalias | imo debian meets the needs of lots of different user bases |
| 01:15.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me connect to a wpa-encrypted wlan? |
| 01:15.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | dmesg coughs up errors like wlan0: mismatch in privacy configuration and mixed-cell disabled - abort association |
| 01:15.06 | GentooDude | alright |
| 01:15.08 | SlackRat | hmn, i thought it was people who wanted the largest number of packages............ |
| 01:15.18 | dalias | stable is super-reliable for production server use |
| 01:15.23 | GentooDude | im writing a paper on GNU/Linux and im at the point of explaining a couple distros :) |
| 01:15.27 | GentooDude | thanks guys |
| 01:15.36 | stew | GentooDude: perhaps, /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 01:16.09 | SlackRat | its hard to beat debians stability and diversity |
| 01:16.16 | dalias | the only group debian is not necessarily right for is people who need something super-light that can run on older hardware. |
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| 01:16.35 | dalias | but then again, there's basically no distro that's appealing to that userbase anymore :( |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | it still runs okay on older hardware |
| 01:16.54 | stew | !emdebian |
| 01:16.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 01:16.57 | dalias | and debian is still among the "least bad" distros for older hardware |
| 01:17.05 | dalias | abrotman, yeah |
| 01:17.30 | magyar | abrotman: a bit slugish |
| 01:17.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Are there any quick links, dpkg (the bot) entries or channels dedicated to wifi on debian? |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: depends ont eh chipset i guess |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 01:17.52 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> for Linksys WPC11 or Netgear WG111v2. /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan |
| 01:17.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | thanks |
| 01:18.05 | stew | i dont' think its the chipset, its the wpa |
| 01:18.05 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: or man iwconfig |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | they don't all support WPA iirc |
| 01:18.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: My problem is that it seems my system chokes on a hairball called wpa |
| 01:18.57 | dalias | wow, emdebian optionally uses uclibc instead of glibc |
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| 01:19.07 | dalias | that's a huge gain in debloating |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: you'd have to look at the driver to make sure it supports WPA |
| 01:19.10 | sponzor | abrotman sory didnt read the bot text |
| 01:19.10 | sponzor | tnx |
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| 01:20.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: It worked yesterday |
| 01:20.12 | Christoph_vW | I don't use any wireless cards anymore - except in laptops - then I don't have to care about crappy drivers :) |
| 01:20.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: But something apt-get upgrade did broke it |
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| 01:20.26 | abrotman | oh sure .. blame apt-get |
| 01:20.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Some package was changed and it screwed my setup up |
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| 01:22.45 | SlackRat | did you upgrade the kernel too? |
| 01:22.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 01:23.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | according to dpkg.log, network-manager was upgraded... that could be it |
| 01:23.21 | abrotman | it might have a NEWS or changelog |
| 01:23.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where do I look? |
| 01:23.44 | dalias | its crazy how much diff libc makes to a process's bloat |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 01:23.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | k |
| 01:24.22 | dalias | newly-started bash on debian is using 650k (RSS minus SHARED) of unsharable memory |
| 01:24.53 | dalias | newly-started bash on my other system with small libc is using 150k (same measurement) |
| 01:24.57 | YenSid1 | I just started messing around with Linux about a month ago or so through Ubuntu. It's running pretty smooth but then I started reading up about Debian. What's really the difference between the two OS's? |
| 01:25.32 | dalias | imo the difference is that debian is committed to the ideals of free software and democracy, and making a system that's usable by a broad range of people |
| 01:25.43 | SlackRat | debian is for adults |
| 01:25.50 | YenSid1 | ha ha! |
| 01:26.38 | YenSid1 | It's hard to find out which is good for yourself. I'd trying installing Debian on my laptop if I had more harddrive space just so I could run it (as well as Ubuntu) to see the differences. |
| 01:26.41 | dalias | whereas ubuntu is committed to the ideals of world domination and targets new users who want something familiar/similar to windows, to an extent that it's unfriendly to people who have different needs than that |
| 01:26.58 | dalias | don't get me wrong. ubuntu is not a bad "my first linux" |
| 01:26.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Can't see anything significant :/ |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | YenSid1: you could try it in a vm thingie |
| 01:27.09 | dalias | certainly better than the crap out there like fedora, suse, etc. |
| 01:27.24 | SlackRat | debian doesnt make arbitrary decisions for the user, whereas ubuntu tries to keep most users from even knowing what a command line is, much less where......... |
| 01:27.36 | dalias | yeah, slackrat explained it well |
| 01:27.58 | YenSid1 | abrotman: vm thingie? |
| 01:28.00 | SlackRat | gcc isnt included in a default install |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | YenSid1: like xen or qemu or vmware |
| 01:28.11 | SlackRat | dont get me started on ubuntu, heh |
| 01:28.49 | YenSid1 | Ubuntu is cool...at least it gave me faith in Linux. I always thought Linux was something totally..totally different. |
| 01:28.57 | dalias | http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/murdockint.html |
| 01:29.00 | dalias | great article |
| 01:29.12 | dalias | ian is explaining what he thinks are the failures of debian |
| 01:29.21 | YenSid1 | abrotman: ah! Thanks! Let me look for that! |
| 01:29.28 | dalias | but he's really hitting all the reasons debian is great and ubuntu sucks :) |
| 01:29.32 | SlackRat | if it brought you to linux its good, but theres a lot of choices out there once you get on your feet |
| 01:29.53 | geo-rge | editing the author, huh? :) |
| 01:29.59 | dalias | ian's ideas about what ubuntu is doing well are exactly what's wrong with ubuntu :P |
| 01:30.12 | ian_ | what |
| 01:30.13 | SlackRat | hear, hear.... |
| 01:30.15 | ian_ | stop highlighting me |
| 01:30.17 | ian_ | nigger |
| 01:30.23 | dalias | ian, probably not you. |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | ian_: don't use that word in here |
| 01:30.34 | ian_ | oh shit |
| 01:30.34 | dalias | ian murdock, one of the founders of debian |
| 01:30.40 | ian_ | i thought i was in another channel |
| 01:30.41 | ian_ | lol sorry |
| 01:30.45 | SlackRat | i think he meant the other word |
| 01:30.46 | dalias | :P |
| 01:30.55 | geo-rge | which would that be? |
| 01:30.55 | maher | its amazing that in many ways the founder of the project just doesn't get ot |
| 01:31.00 | maher | s/ot/it/ |
| 01:31.07 | ian_ | i cant say, rules 1 and 2 forbit it |
| 01:31.10 | ian_ | forbid* |
| 01:31.10 | dalias | maher, indeed |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | maher: he might have different goals ? |
| 01:31.22 | geo-rge | ian: just out of curiousity, why would you use that word anywhere? |
| 01:31.29 | ian_ | for lulz |
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| 01:31.42 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:31.46 | stew | ian_: you've been silenced for 10 minute |
| 01:31.47 | stew | s |
| 01:31.54 | maher | abrotman: like developing solaris? |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | maher: i mean in general |
| 01:32.09 | YenSid1 | And Ubuntu did keep me from switching to...*shiver*...Mac because of my dislike for windows. |
| 01:32.16 | YenSid1 | So it worked 2 purposes. lol |
| 01:32.36 | YenSid1 | Now I just want to experiment with Debian and see if that's a better suit for me. |
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| 01:32.42 | dalias | yensid1, yay! |
| 01:32.47 | dalias | mac is even worse than windows :) |
| 01:32.53 | maher | abrotman: yes - he clearly has different goals, which makes it od he would found an organization with different goals from his won... |
| 01:32.59 | SlackRat | theres a few nice to newbs distro.............ubuntu is the distro of the moment......is all |
| 01:33.06 | geo-rge | abrotman: you have much familiarity with xen (especially the dom0 side)? |
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| 01:33.09 | dalias | i mean... windows took dos, and made it _somewhat_ usable after all these years. |
| 01:33.13 | abrotman | maher: and i'm sure Debian has morphed from what he originally created |
| 01:33.18 | dalias | on the other hand, macosx took bsd and next..... and made them suck |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | geo-rge: no .. i forget why .. but it didn't work for me .. so i didn't use it |
| 01:33.33 | SlackRat | debian never had a BDFL |
| 01:33.42 | dalias | bdfl? |
| 01:33.50 | geo-rge | did you do any kind of virtualization after finding xen not working for you? |
| 01:33.57 | SlackRat | benevolent dictator for life = mark shuttleworth |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | i used qemu .. which is still not quite usable .. but for a different reason |
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| 01:34.14 | SlackRat | debian runs on a more complecated democratic basis |
| 01:35.26 | Christoph_vW | dalias: I have to agree - I tried MacOS X some days ago - it crashed :D |
| 01:35.30 | sponzor | how to install .deb files? |
| 01:35.40 | Christoph_vW | got a nice black screen that I can turn off the computer now |
| 01:35.47 | SlackRat | dpkg -i |
| 01:35.52 | abrotman | sponzor: man dpkg |
| 01:35.57 | SlackRat | <pkg name> |
| 01:36.01 | YenSid1 | Macs are just too closed in for me. |
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| 01:36.20 | dalias | debian's democratic process is the best thing about debian |
| 01:36.29 | dalias | the people who don't like it need to take a hike and stfu |
| 01:36.31 | SlackRat | macs make me expect the teacher to hand out crayons and paste, which we then eat |
| 01:36.35 | Jeanzinz | i dont know if this is the place to ask this but how do i get a script to re run it self when its done? |
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| 01:36.39 | sponzor | i was looking man deb. sux |
| 01:36.46 | YenSid1 | They're pretty though. But only if you want that darn Apple tattooed on your forehead because you can't do a thing without Apple saying so it feels. |
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| 01:36.56 | dalias | sponzor, dpkg --install foo.deb |
| 01:37.22 | SlackRat | lots of i phone bricks today............ |
| 01:37.22 | geo-rge | sponzor: dpkg --help |
| 01:37.36 | Ikari_Gendo | HAHA WHUT AM I DOING WHERE AM I HOW DID I GET HERE I AM NO GOOD WITH COMPUTER |
| 01:37.37 | dalias | slackrat, :) |
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| 01:37.57 | dalias | serves the ppl who bought that iphone crap right |
| 01:38.09 | geo-rge | Ikari_Gendo: do you see your feet? |
| 01:38.18 | dalias | honestly i don't have sympathy for people who buy a product that's ADVERTISED as closed lock-u-in crap |
| 01:38.20 | SlackRat | specially being tied to AT T only |
| 01:38.21 | Ikari_Gendo | NO I AM LOST HALP |
| 01:38.22 | geo-rge | you're very close to them |
| 01:38.25 | dalias | people should boycott that stuff |
| 01:38.26 | SlackRat | you think people would learn |
| 01:38.26 | stew | Ikari_Gendo: stop. turn off your caps lock. do you have a debian related question? |
| 01:38.35 | SlackRat | we can haz open source? |
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| 01:38.45 | dalias | but no, they have to be faithful fruity fanbois |
| 01:39.01 | YenSid1 | I just started messing around with Linux about a month ago or so through Ubuntu. It's running pretty smooth but then I started reading up about Debian. What's really the difference between the two OS's?lol |
| 01:39.06 | YenSid1 | oops...sorry |
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| 01:39.15 | stew | YenSid1: please keep it on-topic |
| 01:39.15 | dalias | :) |
| 01:39.16 | SlackRat | actually, the biggest problem with ubuntu at the end of the day is the fanboy cult mania |
| 01:39.22 | stew | SlackRat: please keep it on-topic |
| 01:39.36 | martman | is there a way to change the basic info finger shows without being root? (like name and stuff) |
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| 01:39.46 | geo-rge | no |
| 01:39.48 | dalias | chfn |
| 01:39.56 | SlackRat | ur right..... |
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| 01:40.03 | geo-rge | oh, what it shows about a user? |
| 01:40.22 | geo-rge | what it shows about you? or what it shows about all users? |
| 01:40.29 | dalias | i think martman wants to change his realname/office/phone/whatever in the passwd file |
| 01:40.48 | martman | about me |
| 01:40.54 | martman | yeah, thats what id like todo |
| 01:40.57 | geo-rge | hey! stop taking my meds! |
| 01:41.09 | martman | but if its from password file i guess that means i cant change it myself huh |
| 01:41.13 | SlackRat | theyre mine, i stole em fair and square |
| 01:41.24 | geo-rge | martman: try what dalias said |
| 01:41.43 | martman | o, sorry, didnt see that....thanks |
| 01:41.44 | dalias | yes there is a program to change it as user (suid) |
| 01:41.45 | geo-rge | they're not likely to do what you expect :) |
| 01:41.47 | dalias | it's called chfn |
| 01:41.53 | dalias | (CHange Finger iNfo) |
| 01:42.05 | geo-rge | or Full Name |
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| 01:42.08 | dalias | been around since the 80s |
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| 01:42.19 | dalias | yeah probably originally stood for Full Name |
| 01:42.41 | nathan_ | I just installed debian for the first time. I'm trying to install kde, but through aptitude it is asking for a CD... how can I set it up for using online sources? |
| 01:42.44 | dalias | since the tradition of delimiting that field and storing other info in it was added later |
| 01:42.54 | thedonvaughn | it's change fullname is how i understood it. But whatever :) |
| 01:43.06 | dalias | nathan_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:43.08 | SlackRat | there is a command at boot to install kde |
| 01:43.13 | SlackRat | wish i could remember it tho |
| 01:43.22 | geo-rge | apt-get install kde |
| 01:43.30 | nathan_ | geo-rge: doesn't work |
| 01:43.31 | geo-rge | could work :) |
| 01:43.45 | geo-rge | well you're right, you have to change your sources |
| 01:43.45 | nathan_ | couldn't find package kde |
| 01:43.55 | SlackRat | look under F1 or whereever for help, or the debian homepage |
| 01:43.57 | nathan_ | right I understand what you mean |
| 01:44.06 | maher | nathan_: try apt-setup |
| 01:44.10 | nathan_ | what are the official packages |
| 01:44.22 | Christoph_vW | nathan_: comment the lines with deb cdrom |
| 01:44.27 | geo-rge | you'd be getting those |
| 01:44.28 | nathan_ | apt-setup = command not found |
| 01:44.43 | geo-rge | apt-get install apt-getup |
| 01:44.45 | geo-rge | err |
| 01:44.50 | stew | apt-setup is gone |
| 01:44.51 | geo-rge | apt-get install apt-setup |
| 01:45.00 | SlackRat | http://www.debianadmin.com/install-kde-desktop-in-debian-etch.html |
| 01:45.22 | ian_ | sorry |
| 01:45.29 | SlackRat | the debian admin page is our friend |
| 01:45.30 | geo-rge | surely it isn't enought to warrant an article |
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| 01:46.00 | maher | oops - i am so sarge |
| 01:46.07 | Muffie | hello all |
| 01:46.15 | nathan_ | SlackRat: did you actually look at that page? |
| 01:46.25 | Muffie | My USB hub is not recognized under lenny. Can I "probe" something? |
| 01:46.48 | SlackRat | looking now |
| 01:46.51 | nathan_ | couldn't find package apt-setup |
| 01:47.01 | geo-rge | why was apt-getup removed? |
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| 01:47.09 | geo-rge | ARGH dumb keyboard |
| 01:47.17 | nathan_ | that page is for switching from gnome to kde; I am just at cli |
| 01:47.18 | SlackRat | #apt-get install kdm kde-core |
| 01:47.37 | nathan_ | couldn't find package kde |
| 01:48.27 | nathan_ | I just installed debian with the minimum smallest cd |
| 01:48.36 | nathan_ | there's no gui; I wanted to install it myself |
| 01:48.38 | Christoph_vW | nathan_: http://rafb.net/p/4Ulf8e19.html |
| 01:48.57 | Christoph_vW | make sure these sources are in your sources.list |
| 01:49.16 | nathan_ | can you tell me where you got them? |
| 01:49.25 | stew | geo-rge: there is no longer a second stage of the install, apt-setup is now part of the installer |
| 01:49.28 | Christoph_vW | from my sources.list |
| 01:49.51 | geo-rge | ahh... but why remove that capability? |
| 01:50.19 | geo-rge | "make the dumbf*cks learn vi" |
| 01:50.21 | stew | geo-rge: the author didn't care to maintain the capability |
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| 01:50.28 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 01:50.41 | nathan_ | Christoph_vW: I know, I'm asking how you got those |
| 01:50.43 | stew | geo-rge: (the author is the d-i author, and that was always his focus) |
| 01:51.09 | stew | geo-rge: someone could always patch it or fork it, but nobody has yet to step up and do so |
| 01:51.16 | Christoph_vW | no idea, I think they were already in there |
| 01:51.31 | geo-rge | same with the interfaces setup? |
| 01:51.33 | nathan_ | alright kde is installing now thanks |
| 01:51.41 | SlackRat | np |
| 01:51.50 | stew | geo-rge: i don't think that was ever second-stage |
| 01:51.55 | nathan_ | but I think it's not right to have to find that source yourself... why wouldn't that already be in there from install? |
| 01:52.07 | geo-rge | I don't think so either but it should be |
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| 01:52.34 | SlackRat | there is a kde first disc as well |
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| 01:52.37 | geo-rge | nathan: maybe... but at least now you know vi :) |
| 01:52.44 | SlackRat | to install kde instead of gnome |
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| 01:53.09 | nathan_ | SlackRat: i'm not using gnome; the install I used didn't have either |
| 01:53.20 | nathan_ | geo-rge: actually I used nano =] |
| 01:53.25 | Christoph_vW | I knew it :D |
| 01:53.30 | geo-rge | cheater :P |
| 01:53.35 | geo-rge | :) |
| 01:53.41 | nathan_ | I'm still learning vi at work |
| 01:53.44 | SlackRat | yeah, just mentioning the option |
| 01:53.54 | stew | geo-rge: you can revive etherconf |
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| 01:54.37 | geo-rge | it would be cool to have all the config tools available so they can look the same as they did during install |
| 01:55.51 | geo-rge | right now I just want to try xen |
| 01:56.05 | nathan_ | i just checked out devilspie |
| 01:56.58 | Muffie | My USB hub is not recognized under lenny. Can I "probe" something? anyone knows what can I try? |
| 01:57.06 | geo-rge | my uname -r is 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
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| 01:59.02 | Christoph_vW | Muffie: are you sure that the hub is ok? |
| 01:59.03 | stew | Muffie: try all three of {u,o,e}hci_hcd without the other two |
| 01:59.14 | Muffie | what? |
| 01:59.17 | Muffie | the hub is ok |
| 01:59.25 | Muffie | works with Windows (argh) |
| 01:59.49 | Muffie | the hubs internal led is not even on |
| 01:59.53 | maher | Muffie: does it work with stable? |
| 02:00.56 | Muffie | never tried. I cant remember exactly but I think it was working some days ago! :) |
| 02:01.07 | Muffie | lspci | grep USB shows this |
| 02:01.08 | Muffie | 00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev b0) |
| 02:01.16 | Muffie | same for 00:10.1 |
| 02:01.22 | Muffie | .2, .3 and .4 |
| 02:01.38 | Muffie | ops. .4 shows 00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 90) |
| 02:01.53 | Christoph_vW | .4 should be EHCI then |
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| 02:03.07 | Muffie | oh, dmesg shows this: hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found |
| 02:03.10 | YenSid1 | What kinda laptops does everyone have? |
| 02:03.43 | YenSid1 | I know that was a random question, but I'm going to replace my Dell 600m soon and have NO idea what are good laptops right now. |
| 02:03.53 | YenSid1 | Especially since I'm going to slam Linux on that baby ;P |
| 02:04.10 | xsdg | YenSid1: Thinkpads are usually good |
| 02:04.12 | Guerin | YenSid1: do not poll this channelk unless you want 700+ personal replies |
| 02:04.24 | Guerin | !laptop |
| 02:04.24 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 02:04.24 | Christoph_vW | haha, I have a 4 year old Acer Travelmate running Vista :D |
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| 02:04.50 | YenSid1 | lol |
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| 02:05.59 | YenSid1 | Thinkpads look strong...and professional :) |
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| 02:06.08 | Christoph_vW | ok, only case, display and mainboard is original - I replaced the other stuff :) |
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| 02:12.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Liberty:/usr/src/linux# make menuconfig> scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 02:12.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 02:14.41 | abrotman | why are you compiling a kernel ? |
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| 02:18.23 | nathan_ | I did apt-get install kde kde-core and it finished with no errors. However when I run startx I get an error cannot stat /etc/X11/X no such file or directory.. |
| 02:19.07 | geo-rge | did you didn't have a display b4? |
| 02:19.35 | nathan_ | not sure what you said but I just installed debian with no gui |
| 02:19.41 | Wyzard | nathan_: You don't have X installed |
| 02:19.53 | stew | nathan_: apt-get install xorg |
| 02:20.04 | geo-rge | oh, yoou prollyneed an X server |
| 02:20.09 | nathan_ | my bad |
| 02:20.22 | Wyzard | nathan_: KDE doesn't actually depend on X being installed, since it can be used with remote display over the network so it doesn't bring xorg in automatically as a dependency |
| 02:20.33 | nathan_ | been interesting |
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| 02:20.51 | nathan_ | typo been |
| 02:22.17 | nathan_ | I have this shell on my background man that's so cool |
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| 02:28.29 | johnadsfsdfdf | im going to be using key based authentication... how do i disable password authentication, and should I? |
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| 02:29.24 | Guerin | johnadsfsdfdf: why bother? Use good passwords. |
| 02:30.21 | johnadsfsdfdf | surely key based authentication wasn't invented without good reason, do you think i shouldnt be using it |
| 02:30.47 | Guerin | johnadsfsdfdf: if you don't know in precise and specific terms why you should be using it, you shouldn't be using it |
| 02:30.49 | stew | johnadsfsdfdf: its a fine idea. man sshd_config |
| 02:31.17 | stew | johnadsfsdfdf: you should be using it becuase its harder to brute force a key than it is to brute force a password, so now you know |
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| 02:31.25 | Guerin | keys, used correctly, CAN be more secure than passwords, but aren't always. So it depend on your situation. |
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| 02:32.38 | dalias | brute forcing a password is essentially impossible unless you have insane bandwidth to the machine you're trying to crack |
| 02:32.46 | Guerin | depends on the password |
| 02:32.56 | dalias | i'm assuming a password of reasonable complexity |
| 02:32.58 | maher | dalias: unless your users pick password1 as there password |
| 02:33.06 | maher | s/there/their/ |
| 02:33.09 | dalias | haha |
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| 02:33.17 | Guerin | that assumes a bit more than `reasonable' complexity, whatever that means. |
| 02:33.25 | dalias | well i wouldn't trust such users to keep their keys safe either.. |
| 02:33.38 | Guerin | indeed. |
| 02:33.40 | freezer | hi |
| 02:34.16 | stew | if you can't keep a user to keep a key safe, you'd probably trust them less with a password |
| 02:34.24 | stew | ^keep^trust |
| 02:35.02 | Guerin | in typical cases the only reason key auth is more secure than password auth is that it's token+secret instead of just plain secret |
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| 02:37.03 | dalias | main thing i dislike about keys is worrying about having them with you when you need to login |
| 02:37.47 | dalias | lots of things you could do with a key, e.g. carrying it around on a usb stick you put in random windows pcs, defeat all the added security it gives you |
| 02:37.47 | geo-rge | put a usb key on your keyring |
| 02:38.07 | Guerin | geo-rge: because that's secure |
| 02:38.17 | geo-rge | true, that's your secret half of the key |
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| 02:38.30 | dalias | at the very least you'd need it on a separate usb stick from the one you use in random pcs... |
| 02:38.42 | dalias | i use onetime passwords for login from insecure terminals |
| 02:38.45 | Guerin | this is why my secure login mode of choice is OPIE |
| 02:38.49 | Guerin | dalias: snap |
| 02:39.20 | Guerin | althoughit's still vulnerable if they get your token (and can figure out what it's for from context, and the host+username) |
| 02:39.22 | geo-rge | brb... forgot to wire the front usb ports |
| 02:41.14 | zophy | the top 1 inch of my laptop lcd has perfect contrast and size, the bottom 10 inches or so is bright with very little contrast and the vid is stretched out vertically |
| 02:41.23 | zophy | is this the lcd itself ? or the hardware driving it ? |
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| 02:41.54 | Wyzard | zophy: A distorted picture on a digitally-driven LCD? |
| 02:42.19 | dalias | guerin, i don't like the opie method because you can't pregenerate a list of onetime passwords on paper |
| 02:42.28 | Guerin | xdr: of course you can |
| 02:42.32 | Guerin | dalias: ↑ |
| 02:42.41 | dalias | if you do, they can be stolen |
| 02:42.46 | Guerin | i took a list of several hundred with me on a trip around the world |
| 02:42.51 | Guerin | of course |
| 02:42.56 | dalias | because you don't need to enter both your secret passphrase and your otpw |
| 02:43.00 | Guerin | anything can be stolen |
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| 02:43.04 | dalias | good methods require entering a secret as well |
| 02:43.23 | dalias | so that someone cannot compromise your login unless they BOTH sniff your secret AND steal your printout |
| 02:43.26 | Guerin | the point is if you have to enter your secret at an untrusted machine, you've already lost |
| 02:43.37 | dalias | only if the same person succeeds in obtaining both |
| 02:44.04 | Guerin | the only way around it is to keep and guard a list, or keep a trusted machine on which to generate them |
| 02:44.17 | dalias | onetime password system should also have a killswitch |
| 02:44.42 | dalias | i.e. a special daemon you submit a particular secret to, in order to disable logins to the account fully |
| 02:44.59 | dalias | so that if your secrets are compromised, you can lock the machine until you can locally re-secure it |
| 02:45.04 | Guerin | that's easily doable with a sshd, a script and a special user |
| 02:45.12 | dalias | of course this applies to any login method |
| 02:45.15 | dalias | not just onetime passwords |
| 02:45.20 | dalias | and yes |
| 02:45.25 | dalias | i agree it can be done that way |
| 02:45.46 | dalias | it could even be done with a simple program in inetd which you telnet to |
| 02:45.52 | dalias | since the session does not need to be secure |
| 02:46.01 | dalias | (you'll only input the kill password at most once ever) |
| 02:46.06 | Guerin | dalias: I smell DOS |
| 02:46.12 | dalias | guerin, ? |
| 02:46.31 | dalias | you need the kill password |
| 02:46.45 | Guerin | which, like any password, is bruteforceable |
| 02:46.54 | Guerin | and eew ... intetd |
| 02:47.09 | dalias | not any more bruteforceable than the onetime passwords |
| 02:47.23 | dalias | you're free to make the kill password a whole paragraph long if you like... |
| 02:47.54 | jetscreamer | i need a centralized location for my settings... too many boxen |
| 02:48.00 | dalias | anyway, i'd love the opie method if i had a good portable device to use it with |
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| 02:49.18 | dalias | someday i need to get a good portable device |
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| 02:49.38 | abrotman | dalias: walkie talkies are fun |
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| 02:51.08 | GodKilla | anyone awake? |
| 02:51.12 | abrotman | no |
| 02:51.21 | GodKilla | abrotman, i remember you :D |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | i remember me too .. quite a shame really |
| 02:51.47 | GodKilla | what would you suggest to try if i cant use my keyboard on computer start |
| 02:51.53 | GodKilla | like it doesnt react at all |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | anotherkeyboard ? |
| 02:51.59 | GodKilla | so i cant go to boot menu nor bios setup |
| 02:52.04 | jetscreamer | sounds like usb kb to me |
| 02:52.11 | GodKilla | triesd 2 |
| 02:52.13 | GodKilla | -s |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | try a PS2 keyboard ? |
| 02:52.23 | GodKilla | yea 1 usb wireless and 1 ps/2 |
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| 02:52.35 | GodKilla | is what ive tried |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | what changed ? |
| 02:52.57 | GodKilla | nothing. |
| 02:53.08 | abrotman | maybe reset the bios ? |
| 02:53.11 | Guerin | then it still works as it ever did |
| 02:53.21 | GodKilla | how to do that abrotman ? |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | motherboard manuals are helpful |
| 02:53.38 | GodKilla | yea thats something positive about it Guerin :P |
| 02:53.50 | jetscreamer | there is a jumper on the mb and a setting in the bios ( to reset) |
| 02:53.59 | jetscreamer | the jumper does more resetting |
| 02:54.14 | jetscreamer | it's usually near the battery |
| 02:54.31 | GodKilla | well luckily its not exactly my problem but the one im asking for instead :P |
| 02:56.14 | black_13 | is this the appropriate place to ask about setting up pure-ftpd |
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| 03:01.26 | dakoo | you fail it first and then you remove it |
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| 03:03.39 | pygi | hello everyone |
| 03:03.47 | pygi | using debian etch here, I get the following when I login: |
| 03:03.51 | pygi | -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 03:03.53 | pygi | is there a fix? |
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| 03:04.57 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 03:05.10 | pygi | thanks for the answer if anyone knows it |
| 03:05.52 | Azar | hehehehahaha! http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200709/error'd/utwit.png |
| 03:06.00 | Azar | pygi: what answer? |
| 03:06.09 | pygi | <pygi> using debian etch here, I get the following when I login: |
| 03:06.09 | pygi | <pygi> -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 03:06.09 | pygi | <pygi> is there a fix? |
| 03:06.31 | Azar | pygi: ah never been there.. |
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| 03:07.42 | pygi | I'm just gonna do chmod 666 /dev/null in rc.local |
| 03:07.43 | pygi | :-/ |
| 03:07.57 | GodKilla | lol. |
| 03:08.14 | Azar | gotta love defaults, man: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200709/error'd/defaultdestination.png |
| 03:08.20 | pygi | GodKilla, what is it? :) |
| 03:08.38 | GodKilla | youre plans just funny :P |
| 03:08.51 | GodKilla | sry i donno what to do to solve your prob |
| 03:09.01 | ameyer | Azar: pwnt |
| 03:09.12 | pygi | GodKilla, well, it's hacky, but it'll work :p |
| 03:09.22 | Azar | me either, I don't know chmod with numbers only rwxrwxrwx |
| 03:09.53 | GodKilla | "hacky" is funny :P |
| 03:10.10 | GodKilla | i doubt /dev/null is supposed to be chmod 666 :P |
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| 03:10.19 | pygi | GodKilla, :P |
| 03:10.29 | pygi | GodKilla, gimme a sane fix then pls? :) |
| 03:11.05 | Azar | ameyer: fun when a software does not have an exit... hehe http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200709/error'd/jmeter.png |
| 03:11.07 | GodKilla | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/27030-bash-dev-null-permission-denied-why.html |
| 03:11.11 | GodKilla | @ pygi |
| 03:11.18 | Tramp | pygi: you mean it's like that after reboot even though you manually set it to 666? |
| 03:11.30 | pygi | Tramp, yup |
| 03:12.01 | Tramp | pygi: hmm. weird. Check /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 03:12.05 | GodKilla | lol let me see that article ameyer :o |
| 03:12.55 | pygi | Tramp, k, gimme a second pls |
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| 03:13.14 | PietroGiovanni | need to fix gnomebreakpad... anybody can help me? |
| 03:13.15 | pygi | Tramp, no such thing in there |
| 03:13.21 | GodKilla | check that article pygi |
| 03:13.24 | pygi | Contact:/etc/udev# ls |
| 03:13.24 | pygi | hdparm.rules rules.d |
| 03:13.31 | GodKilla | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/27030-bash-dev-null-permission-denied-why.html |
| 03:13.42 | pygi | GodKilla, saw it ;) |
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| 03:13.47 | GodKilla | doesnt help? |
| 03:13.51 | Azar | honorables: etch is stable and therefore frozen and unchangeable RIGHT? |
| 03:14.10 | Azar | if so , NZ is freaked, etch wont change the time zone bwahahahaha! |
| 03:14.23 | pygi | GodKilla, I'll try |
| 03:15.28 | PietroGiovanni | !gnomebreakpad |
| 03:15.51 | asg | Azar: security fixes go in. It will possibly go in in r2 also but not before. |
| 03:16.13 | Azar | asg, yes and the NZ time changes this week.. |
| 03:16.18 | Azar | er.. last week |
| 03:16.28 | asg | Azar: yes, unfortunate |
| 03:16.42 | ameyer | GodKilla: http://objectiveministries.org/creation/propaganda.html scroll down to the part about Apple |
| 03:16.44 | moshii | asg: my mobile number starts with 666 also.. hmm |
| 03:16.55 | GodKilla | heh ty ameyer |
| 03:16.59 | Tramp | pygi: hmm, well I have one - not on etch though. Can you check (dpkg -L udev) if you should have this file? |
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| 03:17.15 | ameyer | GodKilla: It is a joke, however.... |
| 03:17.19 | pygi | Tramp, udev isn't even installed |
| 03:17.33 | Tramp | oh. |
| 03:17.35 | pygi | Package `udev' is not installed. |
| 03:17.36 | pygi | :-) |
| 03:17.37 | Azar | asg maybe they have a manual way of doing it unofficially until goes with r2? |
| 03:17.46 | asg | Azar: they do |
| 03:17.51 | GodKilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.52 | GodKilla | haha |
| 03:17.54 | Azar | ah , that's cool :) |
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| 03:18.20 | pygi | Tramp, lemme try reboot, and see what happens |
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| 03:18.38 | Tramp | pygi: well ... |
| 03:19.18 | Tramp | pygi: why should something have changed? |
| 03:19.35 | pygi | Tramp, I recreated /dev/null |
| 03:19.46 | Azar | GodKilla: canibalism, man not communism |
| 03:19.49 | eljefe | i am installing etch (from stable and testing) after the netinstall CD. I want to install a bunch of packages but it is warning me that it is removing tzdata and util-linux, which is calls Essential Packages... what should I do? |
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| 03:20.02 | GodKilla | both prolly |
| 03:20.11 | GodKilla | because communists dont have food at all |
| 03:20.26 | ELSEGO | hi good night |
| 03:20.26 | Tramp | pygi: ok. feel free 8) don't see however how this may have solev the issue. |
| 03:20.32 | Azar | eljefe: it does not make sense: etch from stable and testing? what are you smokin? |
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| 03:21.03 | pygi | Tramp, ergh, it doesnt work |
| 03:21.07 | eljefe | lol... ok I am installing stable and testing (both are listed in the sources.list), after I installed Etch from the Etch netinstall CD. |
| 03:21.11 | pygi | plus I can't login anymore xD |
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| 03:21.35 | Azar | eljefe: not good, you can't run 2 versions at once, if you do that your system will break |
| 03:21.37 | GodKilla | no good messing up with the versions in the sources.list :o |
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| 03:22.03 | eljefe | Azar what, really? isn't it kinda pretty common to have both listed and take packages from both? |
| 03:22.18 | pygi | Tramp, any new ideas? :) |
| 03:22.19 | eljefe | ok so just use Stable? |
| 03:22.20 | pygi | install udev perhaps? |
| 03:22.30 | Azar | eljefe: they have different repositories, and their packages are conflicting |
| 03:23.03 | Tramp | pygi: well, I would try to solve the underlying problem ... not sure how though. |
| 03:23.05 | eljefe | could i remove Stable and only use Testing? or just stick with Stable? |
| 03:23.27 | Azar | eljefe: Etch, the stable has its own packages repository and will only pick packages from its own repo. the sources.list sends apt to pick and install from there |
| 03:23.30 | eljefe | how long are packages generally in Testing before getting to Stable? |
| 03:23.35 | pygi | Tramp, joy :-/ |
| 03:23.38 | Tramp | pygi: what did you do before it went bad? |
| 03:23.48 | pygi | Tramp, nothing :-P |
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| 03:23.49 | ameyer | eljefe: when the next stable release comes out |
| 03:23.54 | Azar | eljefe: stable is frozen, will not get any new packages |
| 03:23.55 | pygi | Tramp, clean install |
| 03:24.13 | ameyer | currently scheduled for "October 2008" I believe |
| 03:24.21 | Azar | eljefe: any package you get is security packages |
| 03:24.24 | eljefe | Hmmm, ok... Can I dist-upgrade to Testing after this net-install install? |
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| 03:24.43 | ameyer | probably will be released significantly after that though |
| 03:24.46 | Azar | eljefe: you can but then I guess you will have to upgrade the kernel too |
| 03:25.10 | eljefe | will the new kernel just come with the dist-upgrade? |
| 03:25.18 | Azar | stable has most drivers, testing ehhhh not quite |
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| 03:25.26 | pygi | Tramp, that's the problem :-/ |
| 03:25.34 | Tramp | pygi: So it never worked after the initial installation? |
| 03:25.45 | pygi | Tramp, yup, for regular users it never worked |
| 03:25.47 | Azar | eljefe: possibly you will not be able to use 3d video drivers in testing |
| 03:26.03 | jetscreamer | no eljefe |
| 03:26.11 | jetscreamer | just updates to the current kernel |
| 03:26.29 | eljefe | jetscreamer, so how do i get a newer kernel, without compiling it? |
| 03:26.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-image-something |
| 03:26.48 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 03:27.06 | eljefe | but will i still be able to boot into the system with the older kernel and Testing packages? |
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| 03:27.25 | Tramp | pygi: hmmm... |
| 03:27.25 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:27.37 | jetscreamer | just don't uninstall the old kernel |
| 03:27.47 | eljefe | this is for my desktop, is there any real pressing reason not to move up to Testing? |
| 03:27.49 | jetscreamer | and you have to manuallyuninstall it if you want it gone so... |
| 03:27.51 | Azar | eljefe: dependency is the word... some packages might not work with a lower kernel... or a higher one |
| 03:27.58 | eljefe | sure |
| 03:28.06 | amphi | eljefe: testing is working fine here |
| 03:28.15 | jetscreamer | atm |
| 03:28.19 | eljefe | amphi: did you have much to tweek? |
| 03:28.26 | Tramp | pygi: googled something, but it refers to udev ... |
| 03:28.32 | jetscreamer | biggest thing is packages may mysteriously get uninstalled when upgrading |
| 03:28.34 | amphi | eljefe: nope |
| 03:28.39 | pygi | Tramp, well, if I install udev, will it help? |
| 03:28.44 | jetscreamer | and nvidia/ati won't work with .21 kernel |
| 03:28.47 | jetscreamer | udev blows |
| 03:28.50 | Azar | amphi: do you get nvidia driver on your Testing? |
| 03:28.53 | eljefe | ok well, i am going to try it out.. |
| 03:29.05 | jetscreamer | and testing has a .21 kernel atm |
| 03:29.13 | amphi | Azar: certainly not, nasssty blobssess |
| 03:29.28 | eljefe | eh that hurts, i need the dumb nvidia for my massive monitor at work... |
| 03:29.31 | Azar | ew, too much for a testing experience |
| 03:29.40 | Tramp | pygi: my crystal ball cannot answer that 8) |
| 03:29.49 | jetscreamer | eljefe: you can install the .22 from sid in testing and it will work |
| 03:29.52 | Azar | eljefe: stable has the nvidia driver, testing not |
| 03:29.54 | pygi | gotta get this server up in an hour, joy :-/ |
| 03:30.03 | jetscreamer | you could also recompile .21 |
| 03:30.11 | Azar | tweeking |
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| 03:30.37 | eljefe | does the debian-multimedia repo have a testing repo? |
| 03:31.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:31.07 | nvz | why would it |
| 03:31.19 | eljefe | why wouldn't it? |
| 03:31.27 | amphi | eljefe: yes |
| 03:31.31 | nvz | touche |
| 03:31.44 | jetscreamer | #deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 03:31.45 | eljefe | ok thanks |
| 03:31.50 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 03:32.09 | jetscreamer | deb http://debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
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| 03:32.42 | eljefe | yes, lenny. |
| 03:32.43 | eljefe | thanks! |
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| 03:33.19 | Teejay__ | I'm wondering for those who use vlc, are the w32codecs from mplayer helpful when playing various formats on vlc? |
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| 03:35.22 | jetscreamer | if what you're trying to play uses such a codec, yes |
| 03:35.30 | jetscreamer | from mplayer? |
| 03:35.41 | jetscreamer | or do you mean from debian-multimedia |
| 03:36.13 | Teejay__ | I am just using vlc |
| 03:36.26 | Teejay__ | the codec package I downloaded from mplayer website |
| 03:36.46 | Teejay__ | and put it into /usr/lib/win32 folder |
| 03:36.56 | pygi | Tramp, I'll try to install udev in a second |
| 03:37.00 | jetscreamer | !tell Teejay__ -about w32codecs |
| 03:37.08 | jetscreamer | !tell Teejay__ -about debian-multimedia |
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| 03:37.13 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 03:37.14 | Tramp | pygi: I'll cross my fingers for you 8) |
| 03:37.18 | pygi | Tramp, thanks :) |
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| 03:37.42 | Teejay__ | sorry it was actually the mplayer extracodecs package |
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| 03:38.30 | pygi | Tramp, rebooting |
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| 03:38.46 | TiMiDo | hey can someone help me |
| 03:38.50 | TiMiDo | how come i cannot play dvds |
| 03:38.51 | TiMiDo | on my pc |
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| 03:39.42 | nvz | TiMiDo: you don't know how would be my first random guess |
| 03:39.50 | TiMiDo | nvz, is because |
| 03:39.55 | nvz | TiMiDo: next would be you dont have a dvd or a dvd rom |
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| 03:40.06 | TiMiDo | there is no input plugin available to handle dvd:/ maybe mrl shyntax is wrong |
| 03:40.11 | TiMiDo | i do nvz |
| 03:40.11 | H2OyJaBoN | somebody know if "mysql-query-browser" packages was delete from lenny ? |
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| 03:40.33 | pygi | Tramp, great, thank you |
| 03:40.50 | Tramp | pygi: so it works, I presume |
| 03:40.54 | nvz | uh that sounds like an error message |
| 03:40.55 | geo-rge | so I'm running the xen kernel now... does that mean I can make vservers? |
| 03:41.03 | pygi | Tramp, yup, but it's so weird o.O |
| 03:41.18 | Tramp | pygi: agreed. |
| 03:41.31 | pygi | Tramp, I never experienced the same problem before |
| 03:41.41 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there an official guide to recompile the kernel? |
| 03:41.47 | stew | H2OyJaBoN: yes, http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-query-browser/news/20070712T223919Z.html |
| 03:42.15 | Tramp | pygi: well, apparently somthing somehow messed up permissions on boot - or so it looks. |
| 03:42.16 | TiMiDo | any ideas |
| 03:42.29 | pygi | Tramp, true, but what? HDparm might be to blame |
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| 03:42.44 | H2OyJaBoN | stew, thank's!! |
| 03:42.56 | geo-rge | gonzaloaf: make mrproper ; make oldconfig ; make-menuconfig |
| 03:43.00 | geo-rge | to start with |
| 03:43.15 | geo-rge | then do kp mantra |
| 03:43.16 | jetscreamer | what? |
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| 03:43.22 | gonzaloaf | geo-rge, just that? I mean a more complete guide |
| 03:43.25 | TiMiDo | any ideas why i cannot play dvds? |
| 03:43.26 | TiMiDo | on my pc? |
| 03:43.37 | TiMiDo | do i need some plugins for that? |
| 03:43.41 | jetscreamer | why mrproper |
| 03:43.54 | jetscreamer | libdvdcss2 for one, TiMiDo ... codecs for another |
| 03:44.05 | jetscreamer | !tell TiMiDo -about debian-multimedia |
| 03:44.05 | Tramp | pygi: don't see how this could be the culprit - but who knows. |
| 03:44.07 | geo-rge | to make sure the config file and all junk is properly removed |
| 03:44.11 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, i have it already |
| 03:44.12 | TiMiDo | instaled |
| 03:44.12 | pygi | Tramp, hehe :) |
| 03:44.17 | TiMiDo | but i still cannot view them |
| 03:44.36 | jetscreamer | what front end are you using TiMiDo |
| 03:44.37 | geo-rge | but... if you have a previous config, you'll need to back it up |
| 03:44.41 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, xine |
| 03:44.43 | TiMiDo | and mplayer |
| 03:44.45 | GodKilla | i feel likei m the only human being in my timezone thats still awake :s |
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| 03:45.33 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: if you get the xine-ui dev package it has xine-check in it (iirc, but it might have moved to the regular xine-ui) you might try that |
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| 03:45.47 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, ? |
| 03:45.49 | jetscreamer | !locate xine-check |
| 03:46.08 | TiMiDo | i get nothing |
| 03:46.15 | jetscreamer | it's in xine-ui |
| 03:46.22 | TiMiDo | i download it already |
| 03:46.23 | jetscreamer | so not the -dev |
| 03:46.26 | geo-rge | gonzaloaf: you could read the files in the kernel source like README and in there you'll find Documentation dir, cd in there and read the files there |
| 03:46.34 | jetscreamer | must be your path.. you use gdm? |
| 03:46.43 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, nope startx |
| 03:46.44 | pygi | Tramp, once again, thanks :) |
| 03:46.47 | jetscreamer | /usr/bin/xine-check |
| 03:46.49 | geo-rge | there must be lots of google findables |
| 03:46.54 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, do i have to mount it? |
| 03:46.58 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:47.02 | TiMiDo | okey, |
| 03:47.04 | Tramp | pygi: np. Hope it stays that way. |
| 03:47.09 | pygi | Tramp, same here :) |
| 03:47.10 | TiMiDo | is telling me that i've need some plugins jetscreamer |
| 03:47.21 | gonzaloaf | geo-rge, I mean the debian way |
| 03:47.28 | geo-rge | that would be... |
| 03:47.31 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: you 'can' mount it, and play the .vobs directly... but no menu that way |
| 03:47.31 | geo-rge | !kp mantra |
| 03:47.32 | dpkg | somebody said kp mantra was make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 03:47.48 | TiMiDo | hmm okey jetscreamer |
| 03:47.51 | geo-rge | but you do that after |
| 03:47.52 | TiMiDo | so what can i do? |
| 03:47.53 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: the .vobs are just .mpg |
| 03:48.02 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, hmm okey |
| 03:48.19 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: well see if you can mount it and play the .vobs just to check if it's the dvd part, or a bigger thing |
| 03:48.39 | geo-rge | "the debian way" is a convenience... what it does it build the kernel and put all the results into debian packages |
| 03:48.45 | TiMiDo | The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? |
| 03:48.53 | jetscreamer | other than that, do what xine-check said to do ... (works here always has i'm not much help fixing it) |
| 03:48.55 | TiMiDo | im getting that error while playing it with totem |
| 03:49.01 | jetscreamer | totem sucks ass |
| 03:49.03 | jetscreamer | imo |
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| 03:49.17 | jetscreamer | do you have libdvdcss2? |
| 03:49.19 | stiv2k | hey any good command line calendar program |
| 03:49.20 | stiv2k | ? |
| 03:49.29 | geo-rge | cal |
| 03:49.34 | geo-rge | date |
| 03:49.37 | stiv2k | geo-rge: nice |
| 03:49.41 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install libdvdcss2 and see if anything happens, TiMiDo |
| 03:49.49 | TiMiDo | (c) 2000-2007 The xine Team. |
| 03:49.49 | TiMiDo | AFD changed from -2 to -1 |
| 03:49.49 | TiMiDo | libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access |
| 03:49.50 | TiMiDo | libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd |
| 03:49.50 | TiMiDo | No such file or directory |
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| 03:49.56 | TiMiDo | No such file or directory |
| 03:49.58 | TiMiDo | AFD changed from -2 to -1 |
| 03:50.04 | stew | TiMiDo: don't paste in here |
| 03:50.07 | geo-rge | it's been with unix since pretty much the dawn of time... which was 1/1/1970 |
| 03:50.09 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 03:50.10 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 03:50.10 | nathan_ | I'm having some trouble installing compiz fusion on debian with kde |
| 03:50.33 | TiMiDo | okey sorry |
| 03:50.36 | TiMiDo | so any errors? |
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| 03:50.39 | TiMiDo | *ideas |
| 03:51.03 | geo-rge | idea: you have to find out why it's doing that |
| 03:51.06 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: put a symlink named /dev/dvd that points to your dvd drive |
| 03:51.09 | TiMiDo | how can i add my user to the dvd user? |
| 03:51.20 | jetscreamer | ln -sn /dev/whatever /dev/dvd |
| 03:51.29 | geo-rge | once you find that, that gives you additional ideas |
| 03:51.30 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, what's the whatever part? |
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| 03:51.36 | unseensoul | hi |
| 03:51.39 | jetscreamer | whatever your dvd drive is |
| 03:51.45 | geo-rge | hey I see you :P |
| 03:52.02 | unseensoul | geo-rge, lol |
| 03:52.10 | TiMiDo | done |
| 03:52.11 | jetscreamer | /dev/hdb or whatever, TiMiDo |
| 03:52.14 | jetscreamer | try it |
| 03:52.14 | TiMiDo | but nothing happends |
| 03:52.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 03:52.36 | geo-rge | now try your player |
| 03:52.54 | nathan_ | does anyone know how to install compiz fusion on debian with kde? |
| 03:53.07 | nathan_ | I'm having significant trouble with it |
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| 03:53.29 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' it uses that sony arc encryption stuff, or whatever it is called... it being the dvd |
| 03:54.14 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hi |
| 03:54.36 | jetscreamer | hey nyle how's stuff |
| 03:54.42 | Nyle | stuff is great |
| 03:54.45 | Nyle | I am moving |
| 03:54.46 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:54.50 | Nyle | again |
| 03:54.54 | jetscreamer | coo... that makes it great? |
| 03:54.58 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:55.13 | jetscreamer | hey how much is an apt in ny anyway i heard it was rediculous |
| 03:55.18 | jetscreamer | ridiculous |
| 03:55.27 | Nyle | no more family bullshit, I told you I think I remeber anyway, that I was gonna be helping my sis out for a while when i moved to nyc, now I'm done helping her |
| 03:55.41 | TiMiDo | Couldn't open DVD device for writing, changing DVD speed needs write access.Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd |
| 03:55.43 | TiMiDo | any ideas why? |
| 03:55.43 | Nyle | its pretty high |
| 03:55.46 | Nyle | 1800$ |
| 03:55.49 | TiMiDo | any ideas jetscreamer |
| 03:55.50 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 03:56.19 | Nyle | its really nice though |
| 03:56.45 | Nyle | but im not a moron anyway |
| 03:56.47 | Nyle | I have a roommate |
| 03:56.55 | Nyle | or rather, I'm the roommate |
| 03:56.56 | unseensoul | I have a phoenixBIOS-based toshiba laptop and I'd like to update the bios! where can I find the appropriate software for it? |
| 03:56.56 | jetscreamer | i was just curious |
| 03:57.05 | jetscreamer | toshiba.com |
| 03:57.09 | Nyle | word |
| 03:57.12 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, any ideas please help |
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| 03:57.45 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I can't afford 1800/mo only for rent on an apartment, when I'm out of the house for 16-18 hours a day anyway |
| 03:57.53 | Nyle | I just need a place to put my stuff and sleep |
| 03:58.07 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: are you in the cdrom group? (the first user is) you 'might' try adding yourself to the disk group, but that is frowned upon... you would need to log out and log back in for any group changes to take effect |
| 03:58.12 | Nyle | anyway |
| 03:58.18 | Nyle | jetscreamer: did you get my message? |
| 03:58.26 | jetscreamer | uh... not sure :) |
| 03:58.27 | stray | Nyle: which neighborhood (i used to live in the upper-east) |
| 03:58.32 | jetscreamer | aha! |
| 03:58.38 | nathan_ | I get the message GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering. when I try to run compiz in kde on debian. |
| 03:58.47 | Nyle | stray: i am in queens |
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| 03:58.59 | Nyle | the city is way too expensive |
| 03:59.14 | Nyle | so anyway |
| 03:59.48 | Nyle | resting time |
| 04:00.03 | stray | happy dreams ;) |
| 04:00.22 | jelly-home | nathan_: which video card are you using, which drivers? |
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| 04:00.41 | nathan_ | on board intel 945g |
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| 04:00.50 | TiMiDo | still nothing jetscreamer |
| 04:01.04 | nathan_ | compiz works in gnome on a previous install of opensuse and ubuntu |
| 04:01.19 | geo-rge | ok, so installing the xen kernel and everything was easy... amd64x2 also. I haven't defined a domU yet but I guess this means dom0 is up? |
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| 04:01.46 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: so did mounting it and trying to play the .vob directly work? |
| 04:01.57 | TiMiDo | jetscreamer, how do i mount it |
| 04:02.07 | jetscreamer | TiMiDo: just like mounting any cd |
| 04:02.20 | TiMiDo | how though? |
| 04:02.20 | jetscreamer | mount /dev/whatever... or /media/whatever |
| 04:02.36 | jetscreamer | /media/cdrom iirc |
| 04:02.40 | TiMiDo | mount: block device /dev/hdd is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 04:02.47 | jetscreamer | ok it mounted |
| 04:02.54 | jetscreamer | so browse and try |
| 04:03.14 | TiMiDo | let's see |
| 04:03.26 | jetscreamer | is that a store bought dvd or a homemade? some homemades give me that error you're having here |
| 04:03.40 | jetscreamer | bad dvd menus |
| 04:04.03 | TiMiDo | it doesnt want to open |
| 04:04.13 | jetscreamer | does it say why? |
| 04:04.18 | TiMiDo | nope |
| 04:04.21 | TiMiDo | is just not opening |
| 04:04.28 | unseensoul | jetscreamer, thanks |
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| 04:04.39 | jetscreamer | define 'open' .. you mean you're trying to play the file, or you can't browse to it |
| 04:05.23 | jetscreamer | sure unseensoul .... |
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| 04:05.38 | unseensoul | toshiba.com |
| 04:05.39 | unseensoul | :P |
| 04:05.41 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:05.51 | jetscreamer | i have a very very old toshiba |
| 04:05.54 | geo-rge | wow, you own toshiba? |
| 04:06.13 | jetscreamer | i wish |
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| 04:12.53 | vyrus001 | how do i change subtitle color in the config file in mplayer? |
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| 04:14.58 | ma3x | how can I make acpi not to load the 'thermal' module? |
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| 04:19.49 | NaufraGo | I've installed giFT and gift-ares... now, I run giFT nad it doesn't connect any of the severs (ares, gnutella,openFT) |
| 04:19.52 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
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| 04:23.58 | Tidus | sometimes giFT can take forever to connect |
| 04:24.11 | Tidus | especially if the servers that its trying to connect to does version checking |
| 04:24.48 | NaufraGo | mm, I don't think that's the problem |
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| 04:31.12 | enouf | !qotd69 |
| 04:31.13 | dpkg | <mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
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| 04:39.35 | eljefe | ok i have my computer installed with the software that I want (mostly)... |
| 04:39.47 | eljefe | Now, how do I get KDE to start once I've logged in? |
| 04:39.54 | intr80 | hahaha |
| 04:40.06 | intr80 | you use gdm ? |
| 04:40.08 | geo-rge | if you have kdm installed, that's taken care of |
| 04:40.15 | eljefe | just thought of that |
| 04:40.20 | eljefe | installing it now :) |
| 04:40.43 | jetscreamer | it's in the session link in the gdm login screen |
| 04:40.55 | jetscreamer | select kde |
| 04:41.12 | eljefe | what script/link would I remove to stop the AppleTalk service from starting? |
| 04:41.26 | geo-rge | why is it starting? |
| 04:41.38 | eljefe | but I didn't install gdm, nor the default desktop during the install. |
| 04:41.59 | eljefe | geo-rge: i don't know, but it starts and it slows the boot a bit (AppleTalk) |
| 04:42.01 | jetscreamer | if you want to do the startx thing, update-alternatives --all or man update-alternatives or man .xinitrc (iirc) |
| 04:42.12 | jetscreamer | startkde is the thing |
| 04:42.19 | geo-rge | does the x display start when your computer boots? |
| 04:42.23 | jetscreamer | and kwin et al |
| 04:42.27 | jetscreamer | konq |
| 04:42.33 | eljefe | no X display by default |
| 04:42.44 | jetscreamer | or just apt-get install kdm |
| 04:42.54 | geo-rge | do you want graphical login? if so see just above |
| 04:42.55 | eljefe | and startkde gives "cannot connect to X at 0 |
| 04:43.03 | jetscreamer | hence the man .xinitrc |
| 04:43.07 | eljefe | yeah kdm just finished installing |
| 04:43.21 | eljefe | i'll have to read up on update-alternatives |
| 04:43.34 | jetscreamer | it's pretty self explanatory if you do the --all |
| 04:43.37 | geo-rge | did that cause the x display to show up? |
| 04:43.45 | eljefe | geo-rge: no |
| 04:43.51 | jetscreamer | it's knowing the --x-blah-wtf |
| 04:44.14 | jetscreamer | et al.. aka what the alternatives are and how to set them individually |
| 04:44.25 | eljefe | it said, "starting K Display Manager: kdm" then left me at a text login |
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| 04:44.33 | eljefe | i'll read the man page |
| 04:44.58 | jetscreamer | try this instead maybe: apt-get install xorg kdebase |
| 04:45.02 | jetscreamer | i think it's kdebase |
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| 04:45.09 | jetscreamer | kdesesktop maybe |
| 04:45.17 | eljefe | i tried kde but i'll now try kdebase also |
| 04:45.22 | eljefe | oh shoot, i know |
| 04:45.23 | jetscreamer | kde would be the kitchen sink |
| 04:45.31 | jetscreamer | and would cover everything |
| 04:45.31 | eljefe | i installed xserver-xorg but not xorg |
| 04:45.41 | geo-rge | try X |
| 04:45.52 | geo-rge | if that works, ctrl-alt-Bksp |
| 04:45.55 | jetscreamer | does startx work? |
| 04:46.02 | jetscreamer | just doesn't do kde? |
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| 04:46.09 | jetscreamer | if so update-alternatives |
| 04:46.17 | gpm | or edit .xinitrc |
| 04:46.29 | jetscreamer | but kdm shouldn't knock you back to a console |
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| 04:46.49 | eljefe | no, startx and startkde and kde don't work... but now installing xorg and 17 other packages and it'll go, i bet |
| 04:46.50 | geo-rge | unless it screwed up or couldn't run X |
| 04:47.08 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:47.11 | eljefe | geo-rge: the hardware can, it had feisty on it. |
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| 04:47.48 | Max_- | What is the package for c/c++ headers? Can't find it o.0 |
| 04:47.51 | geo-rge | I want to take a look at that... now that I have xen I can :) |
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| 04:48.20 | jetscreamer | !linux.h |
| 04:48.28 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 04:48.33 | eljefe | jetscreamer: no errors in Xorg.O.log, well not with that grep |
| 04:48.48 | jetscreamer | 0 not O |
| 04:48.51 | jetscreamer | zero |
| 04:49.00 | stew | Max_-: build-essential |
| 04:49.07 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 04:49.07 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 04:49.30 | Max_- | yay thanks stew! |
| 04:49.42 | jetscreamer | !qotd49 |
| 04:49.42 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 04:50.09 | unseensoul | jetscreamer, I don't have the windows installed in my box, but I'd like to know if is there any problem to try to update bios through wine? |
| 04:50.39 | enouf | yes, use freedos |
| 04:50.46 | eljefe | unseensoul: ooh sounds fun! |
| 04:50.51 | jetscreamer | unseensoul: i would not know. but you can just boot a dos floppy, or a windows livecd, or a w98 install cd even and get a dos prompt |
| 04:50.53 | enouf | find biosdisk maybe |
| 04:51.03 | jetscreamer | barts pe... |
| 04:51.04 | eljefe | ok now with xorg also installed, KDM comes up |
| 04:51.08 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 04:51.20 | eljefe | wow its been a while since i've seen the default login for KDE |
| 04:51.33 | jetscreamer | it's not that, xorg is a metapackage that pulls in other packages... so it's not also, it's 'fully' |
| 04:51.37 | unseensoul | thank you all :) |
| 04:51.46 | eljefe | aah, ok |
| 04:51.59 | eljefe | i thought xserver-xorg was the 'full' deal |
| 04:52.06 | eljefe | ooh kde 3.5.7 :) |
| 04:52.17 | eljefe | shoot no mouse |
| 04:53.01 | jetscreamer | probably modprobe psmouse or modprobe mousedev .. but those are older fixes for older problems |
| 04:53.59 | eljefe | no, just not plugged in :) |
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| 04:54.52 | eljefe | wonderful, now my work box is ready! |
| 04:54.52 | niru | hi all |
| 04:54.57 | eljefe | thanks a lot guys |
| 04:55.01 | niru | I have a sony laptop of 11.3'' |
| 04:55.26 | niru | I have installed debian but the screen size comes in square and not filling the whole monitor |
| 04:55.49 | eljefe | niru do you know the monitor's native resolution? |
| 04:55.52 | niru | monitor size is in rectangle and my os screen does not fill it from both edges |
| 04:55.56 | niru | how can I do that |
| 04:56.09 | niru | its rectangualr in shape(monitor screen) |
| 04:56.23 | niru | yes eljefe its 1024x768 |
| 04:57.25 | niru | eljefe, sorry the document shows something like this 11.1'' WXGA (1366x768) |
| 04:57.35 | niru | eljefe, r u there |
| 04:59.43 | enouf | niru: does xrandr and drxx show that res available? |
| 05:00.27 | niru | enouf, no it shows only 3 |
| 05:00.35 | niru | 1024x768 |
| 05:00.41 | niru | 800x600 |
| 05:00.48 | niru | 640x480 |
| 05:00.58 | enouf | niru: which? |
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| 05:01.39 | enouf | niru: which driver are you using and what's lspci | grep VGA say? |
| 05:03.18 | niru | enouf, one sec |
| 05:03.38 | enouf | i knew it, ubuntu |
| 05:04.42 | enouf | niru: anyways, /msg dpkg laptop .. i gotta run |
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| 05:07.50 | eljefe | can anyone tell me how (if possible) to run two monitors off of two different cards (on-board and AGP) as one desktop? |
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| 05:08.23 | stew | eljefe: read the xinerama howto |
| 05:08.42 | eljefe | thanks! |
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| 05:09.12 | peterS | eljefe: and note, sometimes on-board and AGP can't be used at the same time _anyway_ - the motherboard bios prevents this, as the on-board uses the same AGP address or whatever. at least I've seen this with PCI-E |
| 05:09.19 | mhall | What's the right way to say k3b? |
| 05:09.22 | niru | enouf, r u there |
| 05:09.40 | peterS | mhall: good question, I've always thought it was just k 3 b |
| 05:09.57 | peterS | maybe f3ew would know, too bad he isn't here |
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| 05:10.38 | vxp | http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2889/linux2009ki4.jpg |
| 05:11.31 | mhall | peterS: damn |
| 05:11.58 | peterS | mhall: chris62vw in #perl says kehb, it seems |
| 05:12.12 | eljefe | i too say k three b |
| 05:12.21 | mhall | peterS: i figured it was spelled in 1337 |
| 05:12.38 | mhall | peterS: confirms my assumption |
| 05:12.40 | mhall | thx |
| 05:12.43 | eljefe | like the old J o B rolling papers, people called them JOB but it was just a design between J B |
| 05:12.46 | peterS | I have no idea what the name is supposed to mean. others in #perl say 'keeb', or agree with me an just say 'k 3 b' |
| 05:13.52 | ameyer | it's KDE Burn Baby Burn, so k3b should probably be pronounced kay three bee |
| 05:14.00 | peterS | ameyer: ahhh |
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| 05:14.21 | eljefe | ok goodnight all |
| 05:14.23 | richardjames | Is there a non-help non-tech support related debian chat on freenode? |
| 05:14.25 | eljefe | thanks again |
| 05:14.33 | peterS | richardjames: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:14.37 | richardjames | Thanks! |
| 05:14.40 | ameyer | but kehb probably works well enough though |
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| 05:14.56 | peterS | kbbb would be just as hard to pronounce, really |
| 05:14.57 | richardjames | peterS |
| 05:15.19 | g1itch | dumb question: cant remember any servers where i could find movies on... anyone know any off hand? relic.net is dead it seems |
| 05:15.25 | ameyer | probably better than the 3 referring to the k... |
| 05:15.38 | geo-rge | keh buh buh buh? |
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| 05:17.55 | eljefe | anyone know why an scp would run at 3 MB/s on my 100MBps network? |
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| 05:18.37 | eljefe | rather, why 4 scp's would total 3 MB/s ? |
| 05:19.27 | fengor | hmm my guess would probably be disk i/o |
| 05:19.42 | peterS | but 3 MB/s of disk i/o is pretty pathetic |
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| 05:19.54 | fengor | dontknow what else is running on the disk though |
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| 05:20.12 | eljefe | yeah its from a SATA to an older P4 ATA, should be better |
| 05:20.23 | peterS | eljefe: are these large files? if they are small, the overhead of setting up the ssh tunnel is significant. |
| 05:20.37 | eljefe | ok no big deal, NOW going to bed :) thanks for the assistance with setting up the work machine. |
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| 05:21.01 | eljefe | peterS: all sizes i guess |
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| 05:25.26 | peterS | eljefe: note, one thing I do for a faster ssh experience in general is to use the fastest supported cipher algorithm, which is 'arcfour' for ssh protocol 2. so like in ~/.ssh/config, put "Ciphers arcfour,aes128-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc" |
| 05:26.39 | eljefe | peterS: do this on both sides? or just my own machine? |
| 05:27.08 | peterS | eljefe: client side. the client then suggests the arcfour cipher and assuming the server isn't totally nuts, it will accept this. That is, if they've negotiated protocol 2, as opposed to protocol 1 |
| 05:27.33 | eljefe | cool thanks |
| 05:27.46 | peterS | eljefe: to encourage use of protocol 2, you can say "Protocol 2,1" in ~/.ssh/config |
| 05:28.01 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:28.26 | peterS | eljefe: ...though I believe modern openssh defaults to this preference already |
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| 05:29.42 | indraveni | i bought sony VAIO laptop, and loaded debian in that |
| 05:29.53 | indraveni | everythign seems to be ok except the display |
| 05:29.54 | peterS | ...but your resolution is wrong |
| 05:30.01 | eljefe | lol |
| 05:30.18 | peterS | eljefe: I knew because he just said the same thing in #debian @ irc.oftc.net (: |
| 05:30.25 | eljefe | sorry indraveni |
| 05:30.33 | indraveni | the display appears only in the centre of the monitor leaving some bacl space in the left and right of the monitor |
| 05:30.39 | eljefe | ah i thout it was just due to the issue 20min ago |
| 05:30.54 | indraveni | eljefe, why sorry ? |
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| 05:31.35 | eljefe | laughed |
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| 05:38.09 | mhall | Why in the world would OGG work in amarok, but when I play MP3, it looks like it's playing in the equalizer but no sound comes out... wtf ??? ... |
| 05:39.33 | regulate | you need more encoders |
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| 05:43.41 | sine | debian: anyone with laptop have experiance with fixing double tapping on synaptics |
| 05:43.50 | Guerin | sine: it Just Worked for me |
| 05:44.12 | Guerin | sine: include the proper block in your xorg.conf if it doesn't autodetect - google xorg synaptics config |
| 05:44.48 | sine | yea i googled and found the settings for getting the speed up as well it was really slow and not adustable from the gui setting |
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| 05:51.13 | gonzaloaf | hi, can I execute a command as a user in crontab? |
| 05:51.17 | sf7_ | is there a way to see my xp partition from debian? |
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| 05:52.46 | aredhel | gonzaloaf, yes, read man crontab. |
| 05:52.48 | geo-rge | gonzaloaf: you can edit the user's crontab |
| 05:53.27 | gonzaloaf | so there are 2 crontabs? the system's and the user's? |
| 05:53.40 | gonzaloaf | sf7_, mount it |
| 05:53.48 | niru | on sony laptop where the network card is Intel PRO/wireless 3945ABG the wireless connection is not working |
| 05:54.05 | gonzaloaf | sf7_, mount -t nfts /dev/sdaX /mnt |
| 05:54.15 | geo-rge | there is /etc/crontab which is the system crontab and there is also a crontab per user |
| 05:54.16 | niru | I have installed ipw3945-modules-2.6.686,firmware-ipw3945 and ipw3945d |
| 05:54.20 | stew | gonzaloaf: there are many crontabs. each user can have one. there is the global one in /etc/crontab and there are files in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 05:54.21 | niru | can anybody help me |
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| 05:54.52 | stew | gonzaloaf: "man 1 crontab" for how to edit a user crontab ; "man 5 crontab" for the format of the file |
| 05:55.11 | stew | niru: be more specific than "not working". what are you trying? |
| 05:55.34 | gonzaloaf | stew, ohh I didnt know that, what I want to do is to backup my mail directory of icedove weekly, should I do it on user's crontab or global? |
| 05:56.47 | niru | stew, trying to enable wi-fi in my sony laptop |
| 05:57.45 | aredhel | gonzaloaf, if it's just for one user, use their crontab. |
| 05:58.29 | sf7_ | gonzaloaf: 'unknown filesystem ntfs' |
| 05:58.29 | niru | stew, ? |
| 05:58.43 | stew | gonzaloaf: you can do it with any user that can actually read the data. or if you want to use root, you can drop a script into /etc/cron.weekly as long as the filename is compliant with the restrictions of run-parts |
| 05:58.43 | sine | how do i get up the disk and partition ifo |
| 05:58.54 | sine | i want to mount a fat32 drive as well |
| 05:59.09 | stew | niru: what exactly isn't working? are you getting an error? what exactly are you trying? |
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| 05:59.26 | niru | stew, the same process I checked with one more laptop as well but there it worked |
| 05:59.46 | niru | stew, no error my networking tool does not show wireless connection |
| 05:59.55 | stew | niru: what is your networking tool? |
| 05:59.58 | niru | stew, it only shows wired connection eth0 and eth1 |
| 06:00.10 | niru | stew, I mean the network window |
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| 06:00.18 | stew | niru: what network window? |
| 06:00.20 | gonzaloaf | sf7_, what command did you run? |
| 06:00.24 | penrod | greetings: I have a few thousand files that have been restored from an rsync backup and they all have a "~" on the end, what is the most prudent way of renaming these files without the ~ ? |
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| 06:00.39 | niru | stew, do you know the solution or not |
| 06:00.39 | sf7_ | the one you gave me |
| 06:00.58 | stew | niru: i don't know. what network tool are you using? |
| 06:01.25 | gonzaloaf | sf7_, you have to replace /dev/sdaX with your system's hard disk |
| 06:01.36 | stew | sf7_: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 06:01.46 | level1 | kdesktop_lock doesn't accept keyboard input after resume from suspend... the problem is caused by my changing a file related to scim, but I don't remember the file's name |
| 06:01.58 | level1 | I thought it was inputrc but thats not it |
| 06:02.28 | digx | hi there, I'm trying to only build a SAPI module for PHP using dpkg-buildpackage. is there a way i can get it only to build one thing instead of ALL the variants/packages? |
| 06:02.40 | digx | im not too experienced with dpkg so bear with me :) |
| 06:02.41 | sf7_ | stew: 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 06:02.50 | stew | sf7_: 'modprobe ntfs' and try again |
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| 06:03.08 | unseensoul | how can I create a bootable cd and put a iso file into it? |
| 06:03.09 | sf7_ | how do i know what X is? |
| 06:03.15 | Guerin | unseensoul: you have my permission |
| 06:03.22 | stew | sf7_: 'fdisk -l' and look for an NTFS partition |
| 06:03.26 | level1 | sf7_: how does a polar bear know what apples is? |
| 06:03.27 | sine | yay |
| 06:03.58 | unseensoul | Guerin, ? |
| 06:04.15 | sf7_ | levell that is gona keep me awake all night |
| 06:04.16 | level1 | my monitor's native resolution is 1900x1200 but vesa won't go above 1600x1200 and i can't figure out why |
| 06:04.25 | Guerin | unseensoul: your question, answered. If you want another answer, ask another question. |
| 06:04.39 | stew | Guerin: that doesn't answer his question at all |
| 06:04.46 | aredhel | unseensoul, it's more along the lines of making a bootable iso file and burning it to a cd. |
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| 06:05.29 | Guerin | stew: since nobody but him can know the answer, it's as good as I can get. |
| 06:05.38 | sf7_ | still 'unknown filesystem': http://pastebin.com/m2162de47 |
| 06:05.43 | stew | Guerin: if you don't know the answer to his question, then plesae just stay out of it |
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| 06:06.09 | Guerin | stew: i know it's *possible* to do what he seeks. I don't know whether *he* can do it. |
| 06:06.18 | Guerin | presuming `he' |
| 06:06.24 | level1 | here's my xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/721383 |
| 06:07.20 | stew | Guerin: if you don't know the answer to his question, which you obviously don't, then stay out of it. i don't see how you can think that "you have my permission" can possibly be an answer to a question starting with "how can i..." |
| 06:07.26 | aredhel | unseensoul, take a look at the -b and -hard-disk-boot options to mkisofs. |
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| 06:08.04 | unseensoul | aredhel, thank you for your help :) |
| 06:08.16 | stew | sf7_: try leaving off "-t ntfs" |
| 06:08.50 | sf7_ | ooh nice! |
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| 06:10.47 | linc | ok just so everyone is clear i uckin suck. i can't setup my printer its been about 4 days now. its really the only thing i need done to my server. |
| 06:10.55 | linc | can anyone help me share my printer |
| 06:11.15 | Meglo | linc, sure but do you know anything about CUPS |
| 06:11.56 | Meglo | You know, like styrofoam CUPS? |
| 06:11.58 | sf7_ | stew: is this gona sort it forever or do i need to put it into some file to have it automount every bootup? |
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| 06:12.04 | roland_ | hello |
| 06:12.07 | linc | the printer is workin on the machine its hooked to. but does not work on any of my other machines (ubuntu, windows xp, windows vista) the comp in question is running etch |
| 06:12.11 | Meglo | ohnoitsroland |
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| 06:12.17 | roland_ | hello |
| 06:12.18 | Meglo | ohnoitsroland |
| 06:12.24 | stew | sf7_: in /etc/fstab ; use "auto" in the filesystem type column |
| 06:12.31 | stew | sf7_: (man fstab) |
| 06:13.23 | dalias | linc, are you running samba? |
| 06:13.30 | linc | samba is up and running |
| 06:13.41 | linc | well its sharing some folders for me |
| 06:13.51 | dalias | test connecting to samba from localhost with smbclient |
| 06:13.56 | dalias | connecting to the printer |
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| 06:13.58 | dalias | and see if it works |
| 06:14.01 | roland_ | where do i find the bind9 log file in debian |
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| 06:14.42 | stew | roland_: /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 06:15.34 | dalias | linc, ? |
| 06:15.40 | linc | i can connect from windows xp |
| 06:15.45 | indraveni | hi all |
| 06:15.45 | dalias | ok |
| 06:15.55 | dalias | well what happens when you try to print? |
| 06:16.03 | indraveni | can some one help me in solving my LCD screen problem here? |
| 06:16.07 | linc | try to print from my xp machine? |
| 06:16.10 | dalias | yes |
| 06:16.19 | indraveni | i bought new Sony VAIO laptop and loaded debian in it |
| 06:16.29 | dalias | indraveni, what's the problem? |
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| 06:16.58 | indraveni | the screen appears only 3/4 th and int he left and right if the display is black |
| 06:17.14 | indraveni | I have 1024x768 resolution using |
| 06:17.22 | linc | "printing failed when starting the document" |
| 06:17.32 | dalias | indraveni, you need to set your resolution tothe actual resolution of the monitor |
| 06:17.40 | Meglo | 4:3 display ratio on a 16:9 laptop? |
| 06:17.44 | dalias | otherwise even if it did stretch-to-fill it would look like crap |
| 06:17.46 | RvGaTe | morning |
| 06:18.29 | indraveni | dalias, in did dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:18.55 | indraveni | or sxerver-xorg, but i dint find 1366x768 resolution in the monitor resolution section of dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:19.11 | dalias | edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:19.16 | indraveni | on xserver-xorg, but i dint find 1366x768 resolution in the monitor resolution section of dpkg-reconfigure, |
| 06:19.25 | dalias | go to the end of the file and look for where it has 1024 768 |
| 06:19.31 | dalias | and replace it with 1366 768 |
| 06:19.34 | indraveni | i edited as follows, added 1366x768 in the screens ection for all depths |
| 06:19.35 | dalias | and see if that works |
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| 06:19.44 | dalias | hmm |
| 06:19.44 | indraveni | dalias, it dint work |
| 06:19.45 | sine | how can i search what packages i have installed |
| 06:19.58 | sine | i mean that match a certain name cryteria |
| 06:20.00 | stew | sine: aptitude search '~i' |
| 06:20.05 | dalias | did you add the 1366 768 before or after the 1024 768 ? |
| 06:20.12 | indraveni | dalias, my file is here, http://pastebin.ca/721387 |
| 06:20.16 | indraveni | before |
| 06:20.19 | linc | make sure it was put in the 24 bit section |
| 06:20.22 | Firefishe | Does anyone here know if anyone makes a solution, free or otherwise, for connecting a blackberry 8830 from Verizon Wireless to linux? |
| 06:20.23 | dalias | sine, dpkg -l glob_expression |
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| 06:20.42 | stew | sine: aptitude search '~ifoobar' |
| 06:20.48 | sine | aptitude search synaptics |
| 06:20.51 | sine | cool |
| 06:21.08 | dalias | are you sure 1366 is the right size? and not 1336 or something similar and easy to misread? |
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| 06:21.18 | sine | jesus christ! |
| 06:21.19 | dalias | 1366 is a very strange number |
| 06:21.29 | sine | i wish i knew about that earlier |
| 06:21.31 | indraveni | dalias, yes its, 1366x768 specified in the manual of laptop |
| 06:21.32 | geo-rge | where?? |
| 06:21.35 | sine | thats really good |
| 06:21.38 | linc | indraveni: what model sony vaio |
| 06:21.38 | ma3x | i've blacklisted thermal, however it is still modprobing on boot. why? |
| 06:21.50 | dalias | indraveni, look in .xsession-errors |
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| 06:22.11 | dalias | (are you using startx to run X, or xdm?) |
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| 06:22.38 | indraveni | dalias, i am restarting the system |
| 06:22.59 | indraveni | dalias, to apply the modifications done in xorg.conf file |
| 06:23.18 | dalias | you don't need to restart the system.... |
| 06:23.22 | dalias | this isn't windows |
| 06:23.25 | dalias | just restart the X server |
| 06:23.33 | indraveni | dalias, model name, VGV-tZ18GN, and number PCG-4L8P |
| 06:23.43 | indraveni | dalias, how to do it? |
| 06:24.03 | geo-rge | how was it started |
| 06:24.06 | dalias | ok, do you have a graphical login screen, or do you start X with the startx command from the console? |
| 06:24.21 | indraveni | dalias, model name, VGN-TZ18GN, and number PCG-4L8P |
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| 06:24.38 | geo-rge | yay! |
| 06:24.38 | indraveni | dalias, graphical login screen, i use gnome |
| 06:24.40 | roland_ | could anyone help me a bit, my dns (bind9 debian etch 4 was working well for months and now it doesnt work anymore(it starts up correctly) but my dns servers cannot be reached. anyone can check up on domain assa-electronic.ro ? |
| 06:24.50 | xushi | ow od i switch keyboards from the UK to the US one ? |
| 06:24.56 | xushi | i can't seem to find the | pipe on my laptop.. |
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| 06:25.30 | dalias | indraveni, ok, then (as root) /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 06:25.30 | geo-rge | roland_ is your dns authoritative |
| 06:25.40 | digx | hi, is there a way to only build ONE package when using dpkg-buildpackage? I don't want to have to build all these separate modules I don't need when I only need one (PHP) |
| 06:25.43 | indraveni | dalias, ok |
| 06:26.02 | indraveni | dalias, but what should i do now? is my xorg.conf file correct ? |
| 06:26.29 | dalias | your changes to it look ok to me |
| 06:26.32 | roland_ | geo-rge : i can see now why my dns is not working , the ip address of my router wan interface has changed |
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| 06:27.31 | geo-rge | roland_ so when I ask "is your dns authoritative" your answer would be? |
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| 06:31.39 | indraveni | dalias, any ideas/ |
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| 06:31.43 | roland_ | geo-rge : dunno |
| 06:31.50 | roland_ | whats authoritative |
| 06:31.59 | dalias | indraveni, did restarting X not help |
| 06:32.04 | dalias | ? |
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| 06:32.35 | level1_ | whats the file that allows you to blacklist modules for suspend, ie, so i can have my wireless card's drivers unloaded when I suspend? |
| 06:32.41 | indraveni | dalias, yes |
| 06:32.45 | stew | roland_: is this nameserver listed by the registrar of some domain name as one of the nameservers? is it listed in some zone file as an NS entry for some zone? |
| 06:33.12 | level1_ | In ubuntu i think its /etc/defaults/acpi-support or something, but i can't find it in debian |
| 06:33.36 | geo-rge | roland_ it means your dns is putting out names from a text file database |
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| 06:33.49 | sf7 | how can I change /mnt/XP/ so all users can see contents? (chmod wont work: http://pastebin.com/m11c28b8f) |
| 06:34.13 | stew | sf7: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 06:34.18 | dalias | indraveni, have you looked at the X server's error log files? |
| 06:34.24 | indraveni | dalias, i changed the value to 1360x768 in xorg.conf file as, this error is present in my log file, http://pastebin.ca/721405 |
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| 06:35.29 | dalias | you tried putting 1360x768 in the xorg.conf and it still didn't work? |
| 06:35.56 | indraveni | dalias, when the gdm login screen appears, its full screen ( as per requiremnt) but after loggin in, its going back to original stage |
| 06:36.00 | geo-rge | but if you just installed it without adding a domain zone (like roland.com or something) then all it's doing is resolving names when asked to do so, by either asking other name servers the same question or looking at its own cache when the question was asked recently |
| 06:36.03 | roland_ | geo-rge : yes. rotld.ro |
| 06:36.26 | dalias | that's weird... |
| 06:36.50 | dalias | it goes back to having black borders? |
| 06:37.11 | geo-rge | ok, what you should consider is to get a company that does this to do it for you |
| 06:37.25 | sf7 | stew: what should I set the uid and gid to? |
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| 06:38.15 | stew | sf7: the uid that should appear to own the files and the gid of the group that should own the files. |
| 06:38.24 | geo-rge | if you don't have a static IP (an IP that never changes) then trying to be authoritative over rotld.ro is ineffective |
| 06:39.01 | sf7 | I still dont get it |
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| 06:39.17 | geo-rge | but the other thing is if the machines pointed to by the domain have changing IPs, that's not effective either |
| 06:39.33 | geo-rge | what do you want to do with the domain |
| 06:39.40 | dalias | sf7, set the uid and gid to whoever you want the files on the ntfs to _appear_ to be owned by when it's mounted under linux |
| 06:39.43 | dalias | this will control who can read them |
| 06:40.06 | stew | sf7: you probably don't care about these values, you really just need to set a umask |
| 06:40.10 | roland_ | geo-rge : for now, i just want to modify named config to work again |
| 06:40.14 | roland_ | with the new ip |
| 06:40.36 | roland_ | the ip should not change anymore ever |
| 06:40.43 | sf7 | mm this is all new to me |
| 06:40.52 | stew | geo-rge: i have an effective, autoritative dns server on a dynamic ip |
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| 06:41.05 | sf7 | what does a umask do? |
| 06:41.14 | geo-rge | does your address change? |
| 06:41.18 | Gm4n | is there any way to make a debian system act as though it was a firewire hard drive? (similar to "target disk mode" in mac osx) |
| 06:41.25 | stew | geo-rge: yes |
| 06:41.35 | geo-rge | then I don't believe you yet :) |
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| 06:42.23 | dalias | indraveni, ? |
| 06:42.25 | geo-rge | if you mean what I think you mean, it's not really feasible |
| 06:42.37 | stew | sf7: it will affect what the permissions on the files will appear to be, you probably want 222 whoich would mean the files would have permissions 777-222 = 555 |
| 06:42.45 | dalias | indraveni, try taking out all the modes except the one you want |
| 06:43.06 | geo-rge | unless it's authoritative over an internal/nat domain |
| 06:43.26 | dalias | 227 with uid/gid set to his user/group makes more sense |
| 06:43.38 | dalias | protect the files from being read by other users, nobody, etc. |
| 06:43.53 | sf7 | how do i find out my user/group id? |
| 06:43.57 | geo-rge | id |
| 06:43.58 | stew | geo-rge: well its got 6 ip addresses and some of them are dynamic, its authoritative for internal clients |
| 06:43.58 | roland_ | geo-rge : all i know is i registered a domain with rotld.ro and it was poiinting to my old ip adress for nameserver records but now my ip adress is changed (shouldnt ever happen again) so i modified my named.conf records to point to the new ip . is this ok ? |
| 06:44.04 | dalias | sf7, id |
| 06:44.06 | indraveni | dalias, from where i should take off ? |
| 06:44.13 | dalias | indraveni, in xorg.conf |
| 06:44.29 | dalias | you could just put a # before the additional modes to comment them out, i think |
| 06:44.32 | indraveni | ok |
| 06:44.54 | geo-rge | roland_: yes, partly... you also have to contact the people who you got the domain from and tell them the new address of your name server |
| 06:45.11 | geo-rge | and then wait a day or two :) |
| 06:45.34 | geo-rge | probably won't take that long to propigate after the address change is effective |
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| 06:45.55 | xushi | I'm trying to find an easy way to install LAMP on a minimal install of debian 4.0r1. I just did `apt-get install php4-imagick`, but it's installing apache2 instead of apache. Is there a way to tell apt that i want apache and not apache2? |
| 06:45.57 | roland_ | geo-rge i was on rotld.ro to -modificare nameserver- (nameserver modification for domains) and i entered my domain name and the new ip adress of nameserver i clicked confirmed and they say will send a authentication code to my email adress , but my email adress being on the non-working domain.. figure it.. |
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| 06:46.16 | kenboo | where'd Helvetica font gone? |
| 06:46.27 | xushi | otherwise, to have apache2 as prefork, not threadsafe ? |
| 06:46.31 | dalias | it never was there :) |
| 06:46.39 | kenboo | really!? |
| 06:46.42 | geo-rge | stew: but then effectively it's on a static ip, which is one of the internal ips... it doesn't even make sense for your internal names to be available outside |
| 06:47.05 | dalias | freesans = modern improved version of the free helvetica clone (with large unicode coverage) |
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| 06:47.15 | roland_ | geo-rge : forget what i said,. the auth code is sent to a yahoo adress |
| 06:47.16 | dalias | nimbus sans l = old version of the free helvetica clone |
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| 06:47.29 | kenboo | oh i see let me check xfontsel |
| 06:47.39 | stiv2k | hi, how can i get terminal in the background like this: http://www.stampersite.com/images/after.png |
| 06:47.49 | kenboo | dalias: thanks i found it |
| 06:48.04 | dalias | there is a helvetica bitmap font that comes with X, but that's only for a very few sizes |
| 06:48.05 | stiv2k | but i dont use gnome |
| 06:48.13 | kenboo | ok |
| 06:48.14 | geo-rge | but all of this is moot... I just tried rotld.ro, it works |
| 06:48.19 | dalias | and most modern programs want truetype fonts not bitmap fonts |
| 06:48.31 | geo-rge | and just for kicks... |
| 06:48.48 | dalias | (the helvetica bitmap fonts are free but the scalable version is one of the original proprietary adobe postscript fonts) |
| 06:48.53 | kenboo | dalias: well, i just installed python-osd and its default font is helvetica. |
| 06:48.58 | dalias | yeah |
| 06:49.21 | dalias | fontconfig has aliases so that proprietary font names like helvetica will fallback to a free clone |
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| 06:49.27 | geo-rge | rotld.ro. 3600 IN SOA ns1.rotld.ro. hostmaster.rotld.ro. 2007092902 10800 3600 604800 3600 |
| 06:49.36 | dalias | see /etc/fonts/conf.d/* |
| 06:49.36 | kenboo | uh i see |
| 06:50.11 | dalias | you can make your own aliased like that too in your own ~/.fonts.conf |
| 06:50.19 | geo-rge | ns1.rotld.ro. 3600 IN A 194.105.16.1 |
| 06:50.38 | dalias | which is useful if you're opening documents from someone who has a font you don't have, and you want to substitute a similar-looking font that you do have |
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| 06:51.08 | roland_ | now i must wait 12 hours :(( |
| 06:51.36 | geo-rge | so it's looking like the last change was made yesterday |
| 06:51.41 | xushi | can anyone please help me with my apache problem? I don't know what to di |
| 06:53.05 | geo-rge | roland_: those IPs I just posted... they look right to you? |
| 06:53.24 | roland_ | geo-rge whats with them ? they're rotlds ip ? |
| 06:53.30 | roland_ | for ns |
| 06:53.34 | geo-rge | your new IP for the name server is 194.105.16.1 right? |
| 06:53.37 | roland_ | NO |
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| 06:55.02 | roland_ | 89.137.96.231 is the ip of my wan router |
| 06:55.07 | roland_ | external interface |
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| 06:55.09 | geo-rge | ok |
| 06:55.21 | geo-rge | and? |
| 06:55.26 | roland_ | it port forwards to a pc in my lan wich is web/mail/dns/ftp/samba/etc |
| 06:55.43 | roland_ | i changed named config on pc and on rotld nameserver to point to this new ip adress |
| 06:55.57 | roland_ | for now, i must wait max. 12 hours |
| 06:55.59 | geo-rge | ok, let me check that |
| 06:56.27 | indraveni | dalias, only the login screen appears full, and after loggin in , it goes back to the ole one |
| 06:57.26 | dalias | indraveni, are you sure the res is changing? |
| 06:57.36 | dalias | indraveni, have you tried moving your mouse cursor outside the borders? |
| 06:57.43 | geo-rge | the authoritative name server address is unchanged from either one or two days ago |
| 06:57.51 | geo-rge | also |
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| 06:58.37 | geo-rge | the address of the machine itself (rotld.ro) is also unchanged |
| 06:58.43 | roland_ | yeah yeah |
| 06:58.51 | roland_ | my ip adress changed not theirs |
| 06:59.05 | geo-rge | are you really intending to run the name server from your house inside a nat? |
| 06:59.12 | roland_ | yes |
| 06:59.17 | roland_ | so far ran it for months great |
| 06:59.18 | roland_ | until now |
| 06:59.39 | geo-rge | was the address supposed to be static? |
| 06:59.55 | roland_ | y, but some technical problesm with the ISP forced a ip adress changed(shouldnt have happened) |
| 07:00.12 | geo-rge | what if you asked for the old address back? |
| 07:00.28 | roland_ | too late, i have already notified rotld.ro of the new ip adress so it will be changed |
| 07:01.57 | geo-rge | see this is why it's better to let it be handled where there are plenty of IPs and especially plenty of bandwidth |
| 07:02.13 | roland_ | yeah well i dont have any bandwith issues |
| 07:02.29 | roland_ | all is well after ip will be changed in tld database |
| 07:02.33 | roland_ | hopefully.. |
| 07:02.43 | geo-rge | so is this for .ro? |
| 07:02.54 | roland_ | yes |
| 07:03.00 | geo-rge | and you have control over all of that? |
| 07:03.09 | roland_ | over what ? over my own domain ? |
| 07:03.35 | geo-rge | or just inside rotld.ro? (like foo.rotld.ro, generally *.rotld.ro) |
| 07:03.49 | geo-rge | over *.ro |
| 07:03.57 | roland_ | sorry i dont get it |
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| 07:04.19 | geo-rge | it's probably ok |
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| 07:04.34 | geo-rge | if you're not worried I shouldn't be either |
| 07:04.50 | roland_ | the bad part is that my wow account ahs been hacked and i reset password for email that is on my mail server on unworking domain :( |
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| 07:05.11 | indraveni | dalias, yes i have checked |
| 07:05.12 | indraveni | dalias, only the login screen appears full for me here |
| 07:05.16 | geo-rge | isn't that inside your house? |
| 07:05.31 | roland_ | what is ? |
| 07:05.42 | geo-rge | ok, I'm done here :) |
| 07:05.47 | roland_ | ok |
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| 07:06.13 | roland_ | i friggin cant play wow today either :(( |
| 07:06.18 | roland_ | omg |
| 07:06.24 | roland_ | damn ISP |
| 07:06.56 | geo-rge | I guess we're getting punchy due to lateness of the hour; I'll attribute lack of ability to follow simple conversation to that :) |
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| 07:09.28 | dalias | indraveni, that is very weird... |
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| 07:13.30 | tarzeau | hi |
| 07:15.12 | tomacco | hi |
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| 07:15.46 | unseensoul | my dvd-ram device isn't detected on my laptop. how can I get it to work? |
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| 07:16.10 | tomacco | voodoo |
| 07:16.30 | niru | In my sony laptop I am unable to do wireless connection |
| 07:16.30 | niru | ? |
| 07:16.31 | tomacco | aka, we are gonna need a lot more information than that to help |
| 07:17.14 | tomacco | niru: does your laptop have a wireless LAN card, and if so, what chipset |
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| 07:20.06 | unseensoul | tomacco, http://rafb.net/p/8YcIGn18.html |
| 07:20.12 | unseensoul | is that enough? :P |
| 07:21.11 | indraveni | dalias, check my modules section in xorg.conf file, i think there is some problem here? |
| 07:21.11 | indraveni | dalias, http://pastebin.ca/721387 |
| 07:21.27 | tomacco | is it ide? |
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| 07:23.32 | predder` | I was backing up a vserver using tar and I was told that a couple of sockets were ignored |
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| 07:23.48 | predder` | (such as /dev/log) is this an issue? Should I set tar to backup sockets? |
| 07:24.04 | sf7 | what's happening here? http://pastebin.com/m690daa38 I can't run my file! Why? |
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| 07:25.02 | unseensoul | tomacco, I don't know. How can I know? |
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| 07:25.54 | unseensoul | tomacco, matshita? |
| 07:25.54 | tomacco | predder: no its not an issue... those are special files, not anything that can be backed up |
| 07:25.56 | predder` | unseensoul, the simplest way is to determine if the device is /dev/sd* or /dev/hd*, if s it's using the scsi layer and is likely sata, else it is likely pata |
| 07:26.07 | predder` | okay, thanks tomacco |
| 07:27.04 | unseensoul | /dev/scd0 |
| 07:27.09 | tomacco | sf7: are those scripts? if you open them in a text editor, does it have a line at the top that starts with #! ? |
| 07:27.23 | sf7 | no they are binaries |
| 07:27.27 | tomacco | hmm |
| 07:28.00 | tomacco | old a.out format binaries that the kernel doesnt support anymore maybe? |
| 07:28.33 | unseensoul | tomacco, http://rafb.net/p/n55Q5J14.html |
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| 07:28.37 | sf7 | but the error is wrong. it says the file doesnt exist! |
| 07:28.56 | unseensoul | predder, btw, thanks ;) |
| 07:30.01 | buu | So.. where does bind9 log to anyway? |
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| 07:30.49 | stew | buu: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 07:30.53 | geo-rge | tomacco: it's possible that a.out support is kicked out of the kernel or maybe just deprecated... if not kicked out, it should be available as a module |
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| 07:31.07 | buu | stew: Wow. |
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| 07:31.38 | tomacco | it should be available as a module, but maybe not depending on your configu |
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| 07:32.42 | stew | tomacco: grep AOUT /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:38.04 | solemnwarning | Is there a way of sending audio over VNC? |
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| 07:40.43 | agiofws | hello anyone haing sound issues with etch ? for specific users ? |
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| 07:41.08 | geo-rge | agiofws: nope... no issues |
| 07:41.25 | geo-rge | (maybe... YOU are having an issue? :) |
| 07:41.29 | agiofws | agiofws@lapi:/etc$ alsamixer |
| 07:41.29 | agiofws | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 07:41.46 | agiofws | it works for other users though |
| 07:41.52 | geo-rge | groups |
| 07:42.56 | geo-rge | agiofws: when you run the command |
| 07:42.59 | geo-rge | groups |
| 07:43.14 | tt | Any w3m users here? |
| 07:43.14 | geo-rge | agiofws: what do you get? |
| 07:43.48 | agiofws | agiofws@lapi:~$ groups |
| 07:43.48 | agiofws | agiofws |
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| 07:44.04 | geo-rge | adduser agiofws audio |
| 07:44.08 | stew | tt: sure, probably lots, just ask your real question |
| 07:44.14 | geo-rge | then log out and log back in |
| 07:44.22 | agiofws | ok wait because this is not logical or you can explain |
| 07:44.22 | tt | stew: you got a good point there... |
| 07:44.44 | geo-rge | what isn't logical? |
| 07:44.49 | tt | How to I create a "tab" in w3m? And how to I shuffle them around? |
| 07:44.58 | agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/I9JFXO76.html why is it not reading that file i added the users by hand |
| 07:45.00 | tt | I'm looking at the manual but I can't find it. |
| 07:45.01 | geo-rge | frankly I'm too tired to be logical :) |
| 07:45.25 | enouf | geo-rge: i did that with him last night in another channel (##linux), he installed alsa as root into another user's home dir, for some odd reason, and i never found out if it was a compile (likely) or a deb or what |
| 07:45.38 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 07:45.45 | stew | tt: i hit the insert key to get the menu |
| 07:45.56 | geo-rge | in that case I'm MUCH too tired to be logical :) |
| 07:45.58 | stew | though i have no idea how i knew to do that, or if that is portable |
| 07:46.05 | enouf | geo-rge: and as the other user, i recall 'audio' as one of the groups being returned |
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| 07:46.15 | enouf | not many more though |
| 07:46.22 | enouf | heh |
| 07:46.28 | agiofws | but know i insalled it in /etc |
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| 07:46.42 | enouf | agiofws: ahh, you changed it? |
| 07:46.50 | agiofws | anyway why is not /etc/groups not beeing read |
| 07:46.50 | tt | stew: Thanks alot, didn't think about that. |
| 07:47.07 | stew | tt: i don't know if re-ordering tabs is possible |
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| 07:47.10 | geo-rge | agiofws: there are debian packages for all this |
| 07:47.28 | enouf | agiofws: why not apt-get install <pkg> |
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| 07:47.48 | enouf | alsamixer (for one) |
| 07:48.04 | agiofws | debian packages for what ? you are saysing that even if i edit /etc/groups it wont alters users gruops even after reboot ? |
| 07:48.07 | stew | agiofws: it is only read when you login, if you added groups, logout and log back in |
| 07:48.22 | agiofws | i did that |
| 07:48.35 | agiofws | stew, maybe a syntax error in /etc/groups ? |
| 07:48.36 | stew | agiofws: it will alter the groups immediately. though only new environments will inherit the new privileges |
| 07:48.49 | agiofws | new env ? |
| 07:48.53 | agiofws | meaning ? |
| 07:48.59 | geo-rge | agiofws: did you log out and log back in? |
| 07:49.01 | tt | stew: I didn't mean reordering them, just changing tab window. |
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| 07:49.14 | stew | agiofws: maybe, this is why you should use vipw to edit /etc/group, since it will check the syntax for you |
| 07:49.19 | buu | Well this is pesky. I have a mysql server running locally but I can't figure out how to connect to it. |
| 07:49.27 | buu | Is there anyway to force some sort of override access? |
| 07:49.37 | stew | agiofws: meaning you need to log out and back in, generally |
| 07:49.42 | agiofws | i don;t think sys tax is wrong |
| 07:49.51 | agiofws | stew, i even reboot |
| 07:49.54 | stew | buu: what do you mean override? |
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| 07:50.30 | geo-rge | when did you reboot? |
| 07:50.36 | agiofws | if debian is not reading /etc/groups after a reboot and is wantainga special tool to edit etc/group it needs fixing |
| 07:50.36 | stew | agiofws: are those spaces valid? |
| 07:50.50 | agiofws | you think i should not use spaces ? |
| 07:51.02 | enouf | oh dear, whispers of raf256? rofl |
| 07:51.18 | buu | stew: I mean.. I can't connect to it. |
| 07:51.21 | stew | agiofws: i think you added ' agiofws ' to a bunch of groups, but not 'agiofws' |
| 07:51.27 | geo-rge | agiofws: maybe you should use the tools which are meant to do the jobs of altering the datastructures |
| 07:51.34 | buu | stew: Presumably because I don't have the right username or password. I'd like to force a connection. |
| 07:51.37 | stew | buu: how are you trying to connect? are you getting an error? |
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| 07:51.42 | agiofws | ok |
| 07:51.43 | buu | stew: Via the mysql client |
| 07:51.44 | geo-rge | (remember, I said "maybe") |
| 07:51.50 | agiofws | let me change the spaces |
| 07:51.51 | buu | stew: 'access denied' |
| 07:52.14 | geo-rge | buu: is mysql log showing the connection attempt |
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| 07:52.55 | stew | !forgot mysql root password |
| 07:52.56 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 07:53.32 | stew | buu: once you can get in as root, use the root account to create/reset a user account |
| 07:53.38 | buu | Ah hah. |
| 07:54.20 | agiofws | stew just a login |
| 07:54.26 | agiofws | or should i kill gdm aswell ? |
| 07:54.29 | stew | oh actually, theoretically you could get in with debian-sys-maint and /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 07:55.01 | enouf | !customer |
| 07:55.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 07:55.06 | geo-rge | agiofws: here's a new idea: why not try logging out, logging back in, checking the output of groups |
| 07:55.12 | geo-rge | oops :) too late |
| 07:55.16 | stew | he had |
| 07:55.28 | geo-rge | he did? and still not in audio? |
| 07:55.33 | stew | he rebooted |
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| 07:55.47 | stew | but not since fixing /etc/groups that had spaces in it |
| 07:55.59 | geo-rge | yeah I saw that... and I was really too tired to check every detail |
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| 07:56.09 | enouf | i usualy am very nice and accomodating to him/her over in ##linux where all s/he's used is slackware in the past, so, no idea what's up here, though i did ask if he was using debian last time over there |
| 07:56.41 | buu | stew: Just a suggestion for your factoid, starting mysqld --skip.. completely eats the shell it's started in, you can't even c-c or c-z out.. |
| 07:57.05 | unseensoul | while trying to update bios a message is issued "the size of ROM file is incorrect". how can I fix this? |
| 07:57.10 | geo-rge | so it execs?? |
| 07:57.25 | geo-rge | get right ROM size? |
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| 07:58.07 | geo-rge | buu: what happens when you quit from that mysql? |
| 07:58.22 | stew | buu: what is your suggestion? |
| 07:58.28 | unseensoul | geo-rge, what do you mean? |
| 07:58.31 | buu | geo-rge: You can't, as far as I can tell, but I could kill it from another console. |
| 07:58.56 | geo-rge | buu: and when you do that and come back to where it was started, what do you find? |
| 07:59.28 | buu | geo-rge: It was fine. |
| 07:59.38 | enouf | unseensoul: how exactly are you tring to do this? floppy? dosmode? |
| 07:59.42 | geo-rge | got shell prompt back? |
| 07:59.52 | geo-rge | what means fine? :) |
| 08:00.37 | unseensoul | enouf, I tried with wine and with a bootable cd |
| 08:00.42 | unseensoul | none worked |
| 08:00.45 | enouf | ugh |
| 08:00.58 | geo-rge | you're updating your bios? |
| 08:00.59 | enouf | unseensoul: got a floppy drive? |
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| 08:01.20 | unseensoul | geo-rge, well i'm trying |
| 08:01.23 | unseensoul | enouf, nop :\ |
| 08:01.45 | geo-rge | ok, the thing is you have to have the correct one for your motherboard... |
| 08:01.52 | geo-rge | if not, **boom** |
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| 08:02.11 | geo-rge | mobo fall down go **boom** |
| 08:03.22 | enouf | it actually can be done from a bootable cd, when made in floppy emulation mode, but i've not done it personally, but i know other who have, Also you'll need to make sure you can extract and get at the files that toshiba gives you, and roll them into you ISO (genisoimage) |
| 08:03.41 | enouf | s/you/your* |
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| 08:04.38 | geo-rge | if it's a newer asus board, it has a way of letting you try the flashing again in case it screws up (before that, the choice was to send it to mfgr and wait... umm, awhile :) |
| 08:04.54 | enouf | i recall somewhere someone figured out how to work around using a usb attached floppy drive too, IIRC, but honestly, i forget offhand |
| 08:05.21 | unseensoul | eheh |
| 08:05.48 | unseensoul | well, I'll try another software |
| 08:05.51 | unseensoul | :P |
| 08:06.37 | geo-rge | best of luck, and also I hope you have your mobo manual there |
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| 08:08.17 | unseensoul | eheh thank you |
| 08:08.19 | unseensoul | :P |
| 08:08.53 | geo-rge | (many times, you can go to the mfgr's web site, find the pdf, get it, print it, you got the manual) |
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| 08:12.57 | geo-rge | medeski martin n wood? |
| 08:13.10 | FordCortina | what's the difference between a libsomething package and and libsomething-dev package? |
| 08:13.19 | FordCortina | and a* |
| 08:13.39 | geo-rge | FordCortina: both packages were produced from one compile of the lib (usually) |
| 08:13.59 | FordCortina | does the -dev include header files or something? |
| 08:14.07 | geo-rge | the not-dev part is for running things and the -dev part is for compiling against the lib |
| 08:15.16 | FordCortina | hmm yeah, i was wondering what the actual difference in content was |
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| 08:15.25 | Gigantic | bonna sera |
| 08:15.27 | FordCortina | i guess i could open one up and find out |
| 08:15.34 | FordCortina | thanks |
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| 08:15.52 | geo-rge | a .deb is a .ar containing two tarballs and a text file |
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| 08:16.07 | geo-rge | the data.tar.gz contains the actual stuff |
| 08:16.56 | nodesktop | what's .ar? |
| 08:17.03 | enouf | archiver |
| 08:17.06 | geo-rge | made with ar |
| 08:17.19 | enouf | FordCortina: yes, headers for building |
| 08:17.28 | geo-rge | tar is ar for tape |
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| 08:17.39 | nodesktop | isn't that normally used for libraries? |
| 08:17.43 | enouf | FordCortina: apt-cache show <anypkgname-dev> |
| 08:17.45 | nodesktop | (.a) |
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| 08:17.57 | geo-rge | yes as a matter of fact it is :) |
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| 08:18.35 | geo-rge | those would be static libs |
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| 08:20.07 | geo-rge | I built up a libc by hand once... for minix |
| 08:20.22 | geo-rge | it was easy and the lib was very small |
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| 08:23.20 | enouf | unseensoul: fwiw, something akin to; genisoimage -J -R -b install.386/floppy/boot.img -boot-load-seg 0x7C0 -o Toshiba-BIOS-update.iso /path/to/where/extracted-BIOS-update-files-are |
| 08:24.20 | unseensoul | enouf, what does that do? I guess, I was using the wrong software :\ |
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| 08:24.51 | Krhis | Hello all. |
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| 08:28.52 | TheInfinity | hello ... one question ... i have cups installed on debian 4.0. if i admister cups via webinterface, sometimes https is required. the webinterface makes an automatic forwarding. but it forwards to localhost although cups should be accessed from whole LAN. how can i change this forwarding to the right adress / IP? |
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| 08:29.43 | geo-rge | do you need to admin cups from anywhere? |
| 08:30.22 | dalias | leaving a web admin interface open is probably NOT a good idea, security-wise.. |
| 08:30.30 | enouf | unseensoul: that boot.img file is on debian installer cds (though i know it's on the sarge cd in /nstall/ dir, hrm .. seems all the latest deb images i have here, businesscard and netistall don't have it/them, but i'm surre you can get it from our repos somewhere - see the installer guide, it'll point you at floppy images and such, mabe even something better than boot.img |
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| 08:31.14 | enouf | !customer |
| 08:31.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:31.28 | bmmx | ciao |
| 08:31.44 | enouf | hola |
| 08:31.51 | geo-rge | ding ha |
| 08:31.52 | geo-rge | o |
| 08:31.54 | bmmx | perchè al caricamento di linux si spegne il monitor?' |
| 08:32.03 | TheInfinity | geo-rge: yes - the users should delete sites to print from everywhere |
| 08:32.04 | enouf | English please |
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| 08:33.16 | predder` | is there a filesize limit imposed on fat32 partitions? I just backed up something and noticed that the final tar size is 4GB |
| 08:33.22 | TheInfinity | its just a little network with no real admin, so i have to give some every-day-usage rights to the users |
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| 08:33.38 | dimir | M 'oink 'oink 'oink |
| 08:34.12 | stew | predder`: yes, fat32 has a 2^32 byte filesize limit |
| 08:34.47 | stew | predder`: "man split" |
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| 08:37.50 | marc7 | man... I love debian... I just wish hardware vendors would get a freaking clue... |
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| 08:38.11 | streuner | surely they have |
| 08:38.17 | streuner | but thats not the issue |
| 08:38.32 | dimir | Or a life? |
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| 08:39.05 | marc7 | dell's making progress.. but their hardware monitoring applications are pretty much exclusively packaged for RHEL and SLES... they're dabbling in ubuntu now, but it's still just a disaster. |
| 08:39.35 | marc7 | I have a server deployment script that can flatten and rebuild a box and have it join a cluster in ten minutes... but I can't get their freaking hardware monitoring tools to work... grrr! |
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| 08:41.20 | AVRS2 | damn |
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| 08:41.31 | AVRS2 | I've made aptitude forget the new packages again |
| 08:42.00 | AVRS2 | Too close to Cancel pending actions :( |
| 08:42.03 | streuner | "forget the new packages"? |
| 08:42.27 | AVRS2 | "Actions"->"Forget new packages" |
| 08:43.02 | AVRS2 | When you update the lists, it puts everything "new" under its own tree. |
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| 08:43.27 | streuner | ic |
| 08:43.32 | AVRS2 | So I can see what packages come into testing... |
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| 08:45.16 | AVRS2 | Fortunately, copying pkgstates.old over helped :) |
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| 08:46.00 | _prsr_ | marc7, at least the monitoring stuff just doesn't work |
| 08:46.31 | _prsr_ | could be worse, like dragging you boxes offline after a while |
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| 08:48.30 | marc7 | yeah... I haven't needed to junk the boxes yet, that's true |
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| 08:52.41 | tt | Got some problems with mounting samba. I do "mount -t sambfs -o username=username,ip=xxx.xxx.x. username /mnt/samba. I get the error: mount:wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on [username]. missing codepage or other error. |
| 08:53.40 | tt | dmesg | tail gives med "smbfs: mount_data versioner 1919251317 is not supported. |
| 08:53.48 | tt | But computers running testing |
| 08:53.51 | tt | both |
| 08:54.32 | Darkclaw55 | only thing a master NS needs to configure is allow-transfer? the backup-dns will automatically pickup the master's NS records? |
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| 08:54.58 | AndyBurnsUK | Have just completed dist-upgrade from (sarge to etch) I am still left with just kernel-image 2.6.8-1-386, not 2.6.18 as I was expecting, I have not yet rebooted, how can I nudge it to update the kernel? |
| 08:55.00 | _prsr_ | are you typing "mount -t sambfs" or "mount -t smbfs" |
| 08:55.13 | tt | smbfs |
| 08:55.33 | tt | _prsr_ : smbfs |
| 08:55.50 | TheInfinity | i have cups installed on debian 4.0. if i admister cups via webinterface, sometimes https is required. the webinterface makes an automatic forwarding. but it forwards to localhost although cups should be accessed from whole LAN. how can i change this forwarding to the right adress / IP? |
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| 08:57.26 | indraveni | hi all |
| 08:57.37 | _prsr_ | i don't know then tt :( |
| 08:57.42 | tt | :/ |
| 08:58.05 | indraveni | In my sony laptop, i am not able to use the Fn + F5 for brightness |
| 08:58.08 | tt | Ill ask in another channel... Thanks anyway. |
| 08:58.10 | indraveni | how acn i make them work |
| 08:58.34 | _prsr_ | i use "mount -t smbfs -o username=<user> //x.x.x.x/<share> <local mountpoint> usually |
| 08:59.04 | tt | indraveni: Try googling laptop name + "debian" and see if you got som guides to get your laptop running. |
| 08:59.04 | streuner | indraveni: did you you at the laptops webpage (/msg dpkg laptops)? |
| 08:59.04 | streuner | !laptops |
| 08:59.04 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 08:59.04 | _prsr_ | but it doesn't look like your mount syntax is wrong |
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| 09:00.41 | tt | _prsr_ : Tried your now but I got the same problem. Paste: |
| 09:00.47 | tt | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.2//home/tt/annabackup, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
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| 09:02.00 | _prsr_ | you might want to check #samba tt |
| 09:02.38 | tt | roger |
| 09:02.40 | tt | thanks |
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| 09:04.19 | dimsuz | can anyone give me a quickie howto search all pkgs ending with "-dev" using aptitude (or whatever)? |
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| 09:05.29 | cast|lir | aptitude search '.*-dev' perhaps |
| 09:06.07 | dimsuz | cast|lir: cool. thanks. I forgot "." somehow. :) |
| 09:06.38 | cast|lir | aptitude search -- |
| 09:06.48 | cast|lir | aptitude search -- '-dev' would work too |
| 09:07.22 | dimsuz | thanks |
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| 09:08.47 | AndyBurnsUK | what kernel version should I have after upgrade to etch? |
| 09:08.55 | cast|lir | 2.6.18 |
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| 09:09.28 | themill | Good morning all! |
| 09:09.53 | cast|lir | morn |
| 09:09.55 | free_penguin | hi |
| 09:10.11 | AndyBurnsUK | hmm, I onlu hav 2.6.8, and cant' see anything in aptitude to get to 2.6.18 |
| 09:10.26 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: you're running sarge, aren't you... |
| 09:10.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Last night, apt-get upgrade upgraded my network-manager version, following which I couldn't connect to my wireless network, even though I normally don't use network manager at all. |
| 09:10.38 | AndyBurnsUK | themill: yes |
| 09:10.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
| 09:10.47 | themill | !tell AndyBurnsUK about sarge->etch |
| 09:11.06 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: 2.6.18 is available for etch as a prebuilt package. |
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| 09:11.37 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: You could probably grab the kernel source and compile it yourself too... /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 09:12.21 | Bracki | How can I install debian from within another linux w/o installtion media but a network connection? |
| 09:12.37 | AndyBurnsUK | themill: apt-get dist-upgrade updated everything else, but not kernel, machine boots from CF so only has 200MB free space, probably can't *quite* compile on that ;-) |
| 09:12.46 | themill | !tell Bracki about debootstrap |
| 09:13.13 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: so you have a mish-mash of sarge and etch now? |
| 09:13.26 | cast|lir | how do i specify a constant Q BC |
| 09:14.20 | themill | cast|lir: that's a little obscure for me. Care to elaborate? |
| 09:14.24 | AndyBurnsUK | themill: perhaps, just reading the link you send, unfortunately the infor I saw before upgrading said dist-upgrade would work |
| 09:14.40 | cast|lir | it's completely OT :) |
| 09:14.48 | Bracki | themill: but how do i get rid of the crappy SuSE i'm on? |
| 09:15.15 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: then the writer should be larted.... please tell them that we told them so ;) If you pick up the upgrade instructions at section 4.5.4 (iirc) then you should be ok. |
| 09:16.49 | themill | Bracki: debootstrap will do that for you, but I think you need a free partition for that. There's also debtakeover. /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 09:17.17 | AndyBurnsUK | themill: the box is pretty minimal (kernel+ssh+iptables+openvpn) so perhaps not much for dist-upgrade to trash, certainly it's still running (without reboot yet) but I'd hate to reboot and loose it, it's 100 miles away |
| 09:18.26 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: it should be recoverable if you follow the upgrade instructions now. Upgrading it all over ssh is quite do-able, with the usual caveat of upgrading your kernel over ssh has some risk. |
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| 09:21.27 | niru | I have a Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG network card in sony laptop |
| 09:21.35 | niru | but wi-fi is not coming |
| 09:21.52 | niru | I have installed ipw3945d and ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 |
| 09:21.59 | niru | and firmware-ipw3945 |
| 09:22.30 | themill | !kill switch |
| 09:22.33 | themill | !killswitch |
| 09:22.34 | dpkg | ipw3945d will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. |
| 09:22.37 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 09:22.37 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 09:22.54 | themill | niru: ^^ check your kill switch. And check dmesg |
| 09:23.16 | niru | themill, what is kill switch what I need to check there |
| 09:23.32 | themill | niru: read the second last line from dpkg |
| 09:23.44 | SpeedyG | hey, basic if I want to do packet forwarding in debian is setting doopt ip_forward yes in /etc/init.d/networking instead of /etc/network/options right ? |
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| 09:24.45 | niru | themill, from dpkg means from man dpkg |
| 09:25.03 | themill | niru: no..... this: |
| 09:25.06 | themill | !killswitch |
| 09:25.06 | dpkg | ipw3945d will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. |
| 09:25.10 | themill | niru: ^^ |
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| 09:25.50 | AndyBurnsUK | themill: seems udev is the area I need to tread carefully with? |
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| 09:26.21 | niru | themill, I am not asking about radio I am asking about wi-fi wireless |
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| 09:27.13 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: yes... you could end up with network cards and hard disks changing names. A simple box with one ide hard drive and one network card doesn't make much difference.... you can extrapolate to your little box ;) |
| 09:27.35 | trukosh | Hi, i have a PID. I want to know, where the program is started (/usr/bin/program).. how do i find out? Process name is [httpd] in "ps -aux" |
| 09:27.37 | themill | niru: argh! Trust me on this. How do you think the "wireless" thing works? Carrier pigeons? |
| 09:28.12 | niru | themill, I did not understand why u are asking me to check the Fn+F2 ie for sound |
| 09:28.22 | DocPlatypus | in response to dpkg's reply... the "kill switch" being on means the radio connection is being killed, which makes sense to me |
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| 09:29.14 | themill | trukosh: ps axf can show the parent in graphical format. Also look for a PPID (parent pid) But httpd will be started in /etc/init.d/apache2 or /etc/rc2.d/S??apache2 |
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| 09:29.26 | TheInfinity | has somebody a good kolab on debian4 tutorial? |
| 09:29.35 | themill | DocPlatypus: you are right. It's just often a point of confusion. |
| 09:29.45 | AndyBurnsUK | Boots from one CF card, but has 3 NICS, 2 of them bridged together, that bridge is my only way to ssh to it, anyway to ensure eth0/1/2 stay on the same interfaces using MAC address? |
| 09:29.45 | xerophyte | ow can i attach screen session without reattaching ? |
| 09:30.15 | HellTiger | searching for an speech command software for kde |
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| 09:31.02 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: ummm... that's well outside my experience :( I can tell you how those files are defined within udev but not to preseed that info. Although since you *do* have the 2.6.18 udev installed, you might be able to get it to work.... /msg dpkg z25 |
| 09:31.16 | trukosh | themill: It is no real apache-process i think. I have a line like "eggdrop started" in my log ;) - ps -axf --> 31383 ? Ss 0:00 [httpd] - I want to find out how they came in .. |
| 09:31.45 | themill | niru: Are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 09:31.56 | niru | themill, debian |
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| 09:33.09 | themill | niru: look over your keyboard and look for a kill switch. It might be marked radio or wifi or have a picture of an antenna on it. It might be on one of the function keys or it might be a completely separate switch. Each manufacturer does something different. |
| 09:34.30 | themill | niru: also look in the output from dmesg |
| 09:34.39 | SpeedyG | hey, basic if I want to do packet forwarding in debian is setting doopt ip_forward yes in /etc/init.d/networking instead of /etc/network/options right ? or am I wrong here? |
| 09:34.43 | iguanna | i have set up a enviornment variable adding it into /etc/profile but doesn't work, why? |
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| 09:35.08 | themill | iguanna: you've exported it too, I presume |
| 09:35.13 | iguanna | yes |
| 09:35.34 | iguanna | but doesn't work |
| 09:35.34 | niru | themill, it is working ha ha ha |
| 09:35.38 | niru | themill, thanks |
| 09:35.42 | themill | iguanna: are you running a login shell (i.e. bash -ls) |
| 09:35.46 | themill | niru: np |
| 09:36.26 | namit | can I do the following `passwd namit passwordhere` |
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| 09:36.42 | themill | namit: man passwd |
| 09:36.43 | iguanna | themill, yes. |
| 09:37.04 | iguanna | themil, its name is gnome-terminal. |
| 09:37.46 | themill | iguanna: most terminals will only run bash not bash -ls by default. That means that your .bash_profile and /etc/profile are not read in by the shell. |
| 09:39.47 | iguanna | really? but must exist a place where i can set up environment variables. |
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| 09:40.23 | Enverex | Hrm, anyone else on Sid unable to do dist-upgrade anymore? |
| 09:40.44 | themill | iguanna: I normally set up my terminal to run a login shell :) Or set them in /etc/bash.bashrc or ~/.bashrc |
| 09:41.07 | themill | iguanna: You can test this by running bash -ls from the command line and check that your variable is now set |
| 09:41.20 | themill | iguanna: or by sshing onto the box as that will also run a login shell |
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| 09:42.52 | iguanna | i'm gonna do it |
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| 09:44.40 | AndyBurnsUK | themill: THX for your help, I'm going to set all three NICS to bridge together in /etc/network/interfaces, that way even if they names change I can SSH in and alter iptables rules to suit |
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| 09:45.18 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: sounds plausible ;) Happy hunting! |
| 09:45.59 | nodesktop | does anyone have/know a script which you can use to download youtube videos to play them with mplayer? |
| 09:46.24 | nodesktop | i.e. pass youtube-URL to script -> it downloads the flv file and passes it to mplayer |
| 09:46.44 | techbie | nodesktop:youtube-dl |
| 09:47.08 | nodesktop | techbie: yay! thank you |
| 09:47.34 | techbie | nodesktop:np |
| 09:48.27 | cast|lir | grab the ver from etch mind you |
| 09:48.34 | cast|lir | eh, not from etch, lenny or sid :) |
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| 09:51.10 | xushi | you guys are geniuses! |
| 09:51.29 | xushi | i just noticed that `crontab -e` uses nano instead of vi... i didn't know that was even possible |
| 09:51.38 | xushi | i mean it never occured to me.. hehe |
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| 09:52.03 | g3ckoman | hello. could anybody help me to code parser: from txt file to xls or openoffice calc? (i could pay 50$) |
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| 09:52.20 | nodesktop | techbie: it even works |
| 09:52.23 | themill | xushi: it uses either $EDITOR or the editor from the alternatives system |
| 09:52.40 | techbie | nodesktop:? |
| 09:53.12 | nodesktop | techbie: that youtube-dl... just wanted to notice that |
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| 09:57.43 | iguanna | themill, now it works fine, i have set the variable by /etc/bash.bashrc,thanki |
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| 10:01.09 | Growly | erm |
| 10:01.12 | Growly | this may be a day late |
| 10:01.26 | Growly | but Eulex - I wanted the hard drives to turn on only at my command |
| 10:01.38 | Growly | i am aware that turning them on and off ages them faster |
| 10:01.53 | Growly | but they need only be on once every few weeks for backups |
| 10:02.01 | Growly | and i've ruled out putting them in another machine and turning it off |
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| 10:03.33 | dimsuz | what is the name of intel's opensource driver for latest intel videocards? xorg-video-intel? |
| 10:06.03 | AndyBurnsUK | themill: reboot worked nicely, udev had already set MACs from NICs in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, I can breathe again :-) |
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| 10:06.48 | themill | AndyBurnsUK: glad to hear it. Breathing is often underrated ;) |
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| 10:08.45 | themill | dimsuz: under etch xserver-xorg-video-i810, under lenny/sid xserver-xorg-video-intel. |
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| 10:09.38 | dimsuz | themill: thanks! so the latter one :) it is the one that intel opensourced? |
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| 10:10.20 | laurly | is there any way to check how much ram the server is using? |
| 10:10.34 | dimsuz | laurly: mem, free? |
| 10:10.53 | dimsuz | laurly: oops. not mem. 'free' |
| 10:11.10 | themill | dimsuz: umm... nfi. It's the one from xorg |
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| 10:11.24 | dimsuz | themill: ok. will try it. thanks |
| 10:11.30 | laurly | ahh shows in top as well |
| 10:12.38 | geo-rge | suddenly all my fonts look weeeird |
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| 10:14.05 | themill | geo-rge: sober up, then |
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| 10:14.32 | laurly | themill what fun is there in that. |
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| 10:14.53 | themill | laurly: little, I must admit |
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| 10:31.35 | geo-rge | themill: nono, I was building a xen image, when it got to the end my console font changed |
| 10:33.16 | enouf | Growly: perhaps not the best option, but you could just disable them in the BIOS, or you could dick around with hdparm/sdparm settings |
| 10:33.49 | free_penguin | i knew this stuff had time limits |
| 10:33.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if there are/are going to be any iwlwifi packages? |
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| 10:36.16 | cast|lir | so how does one update all the packages i installed from bpo |
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| 10:37.41 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: no, the driver has been merged into 2.6.23 when it comes out. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425356 |
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| 10:39.04 | wols | cast|lir: update to newer bpo packages or neweretch or lenny ones? |
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| 10:40.08 | Russss | we're getting double keystrokes in debian-installer when trying to install a Dell Vostro with Etch |
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| 10:40.23 | Russss | it's a bit weird, has anyone got any suggestions? |
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| 10:40.59 | geo-rge | of course the first thing is to find out why |
| 10:41.10 | sep | alt+f2 and set a saner keyboard repeat rate, or turn if off ? |
| 10:41.34 | themill | only press the keys half-way down? |
| 10:41.59 | geo-rge | only press them once! |
| 10:42.38 | themill | Russss: are they all exactly double or are some being shown even more than twice? |
| 10:42.44 | geo-rge | is it always double? or sometimes one, sometimes three, maybe four? |
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| 10:42.54 | themill | geo-rge: snap |
| 10:43.31 | geo-rge | he's not listening |
| 10:43.52 | themill | maybe we shouldn't have made so much fun of him.... :( |
| 10:44.22 | geo-rge | we didn't mean to harm |
| 10:45.13 | geo-rge | he's on a coupla other channels |
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| 10:45.50 | marc7 | if I've just copied a new set of precompiled modules (trust me, they're the right kernel and everything) into /lib/modules/2.6.19.2/extra, and then I try to `modprobe X` only to get an error saying that X isn't found... how do I rebuild the modules list in debian again? |
| 10:45.54 | Russss | themill - they're all exactly double. |
| 10:46.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: :D |
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| 10:46.17 | Russss | themill - including backspace, and arrow keys. |
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| 10:46.29 | geo-rge | did you noitice a time when they were not doubled |
| 10:46.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: So when that kernel comes out, it should work out of the box? |
| 10:46.40 | themill | marc7: depmod -a |
| 10:46.43 | marc7 | update-modules doesn't seem to be doing it... is there a file I have to update first to have it look in the 'extras' directory? |
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| 10:46.54 | marc7 | that did it! thanks themill |
| 10:46.56 | Russss | They're not doubled at the boot prompt, but once the OS kicks in then they are. |
| 10:47.06 | themill | marc7: np ;) |
| 10:47.27 | geo-rge | what's the next point you noticed? |
| 10:47.32 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: that's my interpretation of that comment. I've not read anything about that happening though. Either the iwl website of perhaps kerneltrap will have something on it though. |
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| 10:48.02 | OMLX | dpkg: mysql |
| 10:48.02 | dpkg | it has been said that mysql is A fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It supports a wide range of advanced functionality such as views, transaction support, recovery functionality etc. It is the world's most popular open source database. The database is packed as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Futher information can be found at http://mysql.com and #mysql. |
| 10:48.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Nothing on intellinuxwireless.org... |
| 10:48.06 | Russss | geo-rge - well, if I type 'linux' or 'install' at the boot prompt, my keystrokes are fine. Once it asks me to select language, then I get doubled keystrokes. |
| 10:48.11 | cast|lir | wols: well, i'd like to update the installed bpo packages to their latest version. i do not want to update all the etch packages to the ones available in bpo, which is what aptitude -t etch-backups update tries to do IIRC |
| 10:48.14 | Russss | Likewise on a terminal if I switch to a terminal. |
| 10:48.36 | geo-rge | like alt-F2 |
| 10:48.36 | themill | cast|lir: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade should be all you need to do |
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| 10:48.45 | Russss | Exactly, like alt-F2. |
| 10:48.57 | Growly | enouf - sorry, late gain - they'd still spin up even if disabled though right? |
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| 10:49.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Merging_the_iwlwifi_WirelessDriver |
| 10:49.03 | geo-rge | what kind of keyboard? |
| 10:49.22 | Russss | It's a USB keyboard. |
| 10:49.29 | Russss | I've tried it with two different keyboards. |
| 10:49.38 | cast|lir | themill: hmmm, will check when i get home. i seem to be running 2.6.22-2 instead of -10, might be that i installed the wrong package initially |
| 10:49.40 | enouf | Growly: no, if the BIOS and POST don't see them, they shouldn'y, afaik |
| 10:49.41 | geo-rge | what do you see on alt-f3 and alt-f4? |
| 10:49.49 | Growly | anyone know much about debian and lcdproc |
| 10:50.09 | Growly | enouf - well these are sata drives on another controller |
| 10:50.26 | Growly | so hmmm |
| 10:50.29 | enouf | disable the controller in the BIOS |
| 10:50.33 | Growly | interesting actually |
| 10:50.53 | Russss | geo-rge: I see a prompt on alt-f3, and some standard-looking log output on alt-f4. |
| 10:51.02 | Growly | i shal see how this goes |
| 10:51.24 | geo-rge | what happens when you watch alt-f4, unplug and plug in the kbd? |
| 10:51.25 | Growly | if no software options are available |
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| 10:51.57 | themill | cast|lir: that's the right kernel from backports, I think. |
| 10:52.09 | Suprano | Hi |
| 10:52.33 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm... that's even more ambiguous as to what's happening, isn't it. |
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| 10:52.57 | mooper | !smbmount |
| 10:52.57 | dpkg | it has been said that smbmount is 'smbmount //HOST/SHARE PASS -c 'mount MOUNT_POINT'' |
| 10:53.12 | Russss | geo-rge: I get 3 lines when I re-plug the keyboard in. One saying it's on /ass/input/input3, the same line on /ass/input/input4, and then identifying it as a HID device. |
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| 10:53.40 | geo-rge | so it seems like it's two devices |
| 10:53.51 | enouf | ass .. lovely |
| 10:53.58 | geo-rge | some are :) |
| 10:54.01 | Russss | geo-rge: Could well be. How do I fix it? |
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| 10:54.11 | enouf | indeed ;-) |
| 10:54.22 | geo-rge | well I don't know :) but it looks like we found out why |
| 10:54.38 | geo-rge | I would wonder tho what's in the bios |
| 10:54.50 | Russss | There's nothing useful in the BIOS. |
| 10:55.25 | enouf | get a usb to ps/ adapter like sane people |
| 10:55.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: YEP |
| 10:55.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | damn caps |
| 10:55.46 | enouf | er ps/2 |
| 10:55.51 | Russss | enouf: That's fine, but there are no PS2 ports on this machine. |
| 10:56.00 | enouf | omg, what a dump |
| 10:56.18 | themill | enouf: it's a laptop, that's pretty common these days |
| 10:56.30 | enouf | Russss: is legacy usb is enabled in bios, disable it, or vice-versa |
| 10:56.31 | Russss | My machine's not a laptop. |
| 10:56.48 | Russss | I'll try knocking it into USB1.1 mode. |
| 10:56.53 | themill | Russss: ahh sorry.. I thought you said it was... I'll go back to sleep! |
| 10:56.56 | enouf | themill: s/laptop/craptop .. hehe |
| 10:57.19 | Russss | Tried that already, no difference. |
| 10:57.40 | geo-rge | I wonder if it's seeing both the ehci and ohci devices |
| 10:57.41 | Russss | themill: If you've other ideas I'll happily hear them... |
| 10:58.01 | Russss | The BIOS is in USB1.1 mode, so it shouldn't be capable of giving an ehci device. |
| 10:58.26 | mmc | how can I see the list of packages which are installed as "directly needed", as opposed to installed just to satisfy requirements of user-requested pkgs? |
| 10:58.38 | enouf | wtf |
| 10:58.42 | themill | !tell mmc about aptitude-fu |
| 10:58.58 | themill | mmc: but that only works if you use aptitude not apt-get |
| 10:59.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: So, any idea how to get iwlwifi working? :p |
| 10:59.34 | geo-rge | Russss: and of course moving it to different usb ports doesn't help a bit either, I supposed? |
| 10:59.35 | themill | Russss: as a completely off-the-wall idea that's unlikely to work... remove read permissions on one of those input devices and see what happens. (3 options: nothing, works perfectly, hard lock-up) |
| 11:00.09 | Russss | themill: Given that I can't type anything, that might be a touch tricky. |
| 11:00.23 | themill | Russss: ugh.. of course. silly me. |
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| 11:02.03 | geo-rge | isn't there a way of installing over ssh? |
| 11:02.05 | Russss | I think I'm going to try using the current testing snapshot. |
| 11:02.22 | themill | geo-rge: debootstrap or debtakeover |
| 11:02.43 | themill | Russss: does a livecd boot and work ok? geo-rge might be onto something |
| 11:03.02 | Russss | we seem to have magically fixed it, somehow |
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| 11:03.15 | Russss | I just plugged and unplugged the USB ports a few times. |
| 11:03.30 | themill | Russss: prod hard enough and luck is on your side.... |
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| 11:04.37 | geo-rge | another thing that was on our side was that we had a vague idea why this was happening |
| 11:04.38 | Russss | my theory is it's just confused the BIOS's legacy USB support into giving up entirely. |
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| 11:05.34 | themill | dpkg: welcome back |
| 11:05.35 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
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| 11:07.38 | geo-rge | Russss: were you watching alt-f4 while doing that? |
| 11:07.53 | Russss | yeah, afaict nothing changed much |
| 11:08.11 | geo-rge | did it still show two devices connected? |
| 11:08.24 | Russss | I think the two devices are a red herring |
| 11:08.30 | enouf | Russss: that's a desktop without a ps/2 port? wonder if ttyUSB0 and console are confused |
| 11:08.42 | Russss | the keyboard in question was an MS natural one which has a zoom control on it |
| 11:08.48 | Russss | so I'm guessing that was the other input device |
| 11:09.10 | mooper | smbmount //192.168.100.2/share password -c mount /media/smb - this dont work :-( can I have a hand with syntax? |
| 11:09.10 | geo-rge | ohh, do you have another kbd to try? |
| 11:09.11 | Russss | I actually replaced it with a dell keyboard at that point, but the dell keyboard was doing the double-keystroke thing earlier. |
| 11:09.25 | Russss | so it's not an issue with the keyboard, |
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| 11:09.57 | mooper | Russss: I had this a while ago, I thought it was the ps2 port on my mother board causing it |
| 11:10.13 | mooper | so I sawed off the port with a junior hacksaw |
| 11:10.15 | geo-rge | so it's not true that either kbd was causing the double connect |
| 11:10.31 | Russss | hmmm |
| 11:10.41 | Russss | I'm fairly sure this box doesn't have any PS2 port |
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| 11:10.54 | mooper | It wasnt the PS2 port |
| 11:11.12 | mooper | In the end, I coudnt fix it so I droped my computer down a flight of stairs |
| 11:11.21 | mooper | that seemed to fix it |
| 11:11.26 | Russss | my theory is that the bios failed to detect Linux initialising the USB controller, and so didn't switch off the legacy USB support |
| 11:11.28 | enouf | modinfo -p usbkbd doesn't show any params available and modinfo -p usbhid only shows mousepoll - and modinfo -p usbserial shows a debug option and modinfo -p usbtest has a force_interrupt and realworld params avail |
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| 11:11.48 | Russss | (which you can't turn off in the BIOS) |
| 11:12.06 | Russss | I think we're trying testing on it now |
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| 11:12.51 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?v=2.6.18 maybe can find something - oh and usbcore has some new/oldscheme options |
| 11:12.51 | geo-rge | does it have "pnp operating system" in the bios? |
| 11:12.56 | Russss | nope |
| 11:13.00 | Russss | it has bugger all. |
| 11:13.10 | Russss | it has like 5 bios settings in total. |
| 11:13.17 | geo-rge | but did you say you fixed it? |
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| 11:14.21 | niru | I have a sony laptop |
| 11:14.32 | niru | with projector it does not work |
| 11:14.47 | niru | even if ti change the resolution to 1024x768 |
| 11:15.02 | geo-rge | what do you mean "does not work" |
| 11:15.08 | niru | I have all projector tools installed |
| 11:15.26 | niru | geo-rge, If I press Fn+F7 it does not get displayed in projector |
| 11:15.38 | Russss | ok, it seems to be completely fixed in the testing debian-installer anyway |
| 11:15.53 | Russss | now it can't find the CD drive (yay...) |
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| 11:17.05 | geo-rge | so it seems to be a driver issue |
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| 11:18.18 | enouf | omg, 8-10 usb crapolas, no ps/2 O.o http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/vostrodt?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd |
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| 11:19.08 | niru | geo-rge, I have installed a;; laptop related tools |
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| 11:26.04 | Enverex | Hrm, anyone else on Sid unable to do dist-upgrade anymore? It gives "*** ERROR: search aborted by fatal exception. You may continue searching, but some solutions will be unreachable." |
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| 11:26.47 | SlayerXP | Enverex: you're using sid, when it breaks you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 11:27.23 | Enverex | SlayerXP, That isn't very helpful is it. It was a simple question. |
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| 11:27.49 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 11:28.13 | Siddharta | i had to install oracle instant client, it is ok |
| 11:28.16 | SlayerXP | Enverex: you're assuming my comment was intended to be helpful. it wasn't, it was intended to be a comment |
| 11:28.27 | SlayerXP | Siddharta: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
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| 11:29.07 | Siddharta | i really don't understand why i can not connect my db via sqlplus with ordinary user as root it works well the export value are the same ine bashrc file for both user and root |
| 11:29.21 | Siddharta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:30.22 | Siddharta | i really don't want to be root to connect a DB |
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| 11:32.46 | free_penguin | how much mauney needed until it is safe? |
| 11:33.21 | geo-rge | Siddharta: postgres will let you do that... but will not allow its backgraound to run as root |
| 11:33.34 | geo-rge | backend that is |
| 11:34.04 | Enverex | SlayerXP, Then please refrain from commenting in future. In general when I ask things in here I just get people attempting to be funny, that isn't a good general trend for a "help" channel. |
| 11:34.15 | geo-rge | sqlplus, I guess that's orackle :) |
| 11:34.21 | Siddharta | geo-rge: i don't understand |
| 11:34.24 | Siddharta | yes |
| 11:34.54 | geo-rge | rather than mysql... |
| 11:35.03 | karmatronic | Enverex: ? |
| 11:35.04 | SlayerXP | Enverex: i think you'll find that I'll just carry on saying that I feel like saying to whom I feel like saying it. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you review the syntax of the /ignore command |
| 11:35.05 | geo-rge | you don't have to connect as root, do you? |
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| 11:35.31 | Siddharta | geo-rge: i can connect as root |
| 11:35.36 | Siddharta | but i don't want |
| 11:35.47 | Siddharta | it is only the oracle client |
| 11:35.50 | Enverex | SlayerXP, Then I think you need to review the channel rules and the point of being in the channel all-together. |
| 11:36.13 | SlayerXP | Enverex: I welcome your feedback, and have filed it appropriately. |
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| 11:36.46 | Siddharta | geo-rge: i want to connect my remote DB via executing sqlplus as user, not root |
| 11:36.59 | Siddharta | geo-rge: you see what i mean ? |
| 11:37.15 | geo-rge | yes, and what happens when you try? |
| 11:37.33 | Siddharta | as root there is no problem |
| 11:37.38 | Siddharta | as user i gat this |
| 11:38.08 | Siddharta | ORA-12154: TNS:could not resolve the connect identifier specified |
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| 11:38.47 | geo-rge | never seen that error, sorry |
| 11:38.51 | Enverex | Is anyone aware of any major "dist-upgrade" issues with current SID? |
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| 11:39.49 | Siddharta | geo-rge: in fact it doesn't recognize the /etc/oracle/tnsnames.ora where the access description of the database is set |
| 11:40.06 | mooper | hey can anyone help me with smb mount syntax? |
| 11:40.10 | mooper | smbmount \\\\192.168.100.2\\share /media/smb -o user=andrew |
| 11:40.51 | Siddharta | as root , it seems the tnsnames.ora is well read |
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| 11:42.20 | dv_ | I get "/etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-params: No such file or directory" here |
| 11:42.26 | dv_ | when installing bugzilla |
| 11:42.36 | dv_ | anyone encountered this before? didnt find much in google |
| 11:42.52 | geo-rge | when you ls -l /etc/oracle/tnsnames.ora |
| 11:43.10 | geo-rge | does it show that maybe only root has read access? |
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| 11:44.38 | dv_ | can I simply do "touch /etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-params" ? is this safe? |
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| 11:47.47 | xushi | please i need help, i can't figure out how to install php4 (not 5) on apache2-mpm-prefork on 4.0r1. I installed apache2, then php4, but not sure what to do next |
| 11:47.52 | sergio | Anyone uses drbd? is it compatible the 0.7.X versions with the 8.X.Y versions? |
| 11:48.06 | Siddharta | for information i need to set up export TNS_ADMIN=/where/is/the/directory/of/tnsnames.ora |
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| 11:48.31 | Siddharta | in my .bashrc |
| 11:48.41 | geo-rge | Siddharta: oh, so you were missing some env vars |
| 11:49.12 | geo-rge | see what other vars are also missing then... you might as well |
| 11:49.17 | Siddharta | yes but it isn't said in andesi article , do you think i should tell them ? |
| 11:49.22 | free_penguin | hi ppl |
| 11:49.23 | free_penguin | ;) |
| 11:49.33 | geo-rge | not sure |
| 11:49.34 | Crypticfortune | I'm trying to connect to my ipod via amarok, but whenever i plug it in, Rhythmbox pops up and starts using it (i assume before amarok can get a chance, because amarok displays an error about about "No mounted and available ipod devices"). how do i fix it so Rhythmbox doesn't take over the ipod? |
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| 11:50.41 | geo-rge | ok I'm out... it's late |
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| 11:52.14 | itchi | xushi: You may need to load that php4 module |
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| 11:52.50 | marc7 | enouf: regarding something you said earlier about no PS/2 on the new dell workstations... that sucks :( |
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| 11:52.59 | logd | hi what's a good program to convert divx to dvd ? |
| 11:53.17 | itchi | xushi: With a2enmod you can load these modules. With apache1.3 you probably used dpkg-reconfigure apache and there selected the module to load. |
| 11:53.46 | xushi | a2enmod! thanks, that's what i was trying to remember |
| 11:53.49 | itchi | xushi: Try a2<TAB> and you may say that you may disable it too with another command. I let you figure it out :-) |
| 11:54.10 | enouf | marc7: well, it's obviously for that line at least, i don't do dell, nor any oems, so dunno about them or others |
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| 11:54.42 | itchi | xushi: Typ a2enmod to see the available modules |
| 11:54.50 | xushi | thanks |
| 11:55.05 | free_penguin | i just want to say that concept of function is so prevalent and its essence is so beautiful |
| 11:55.26 | marc7 | logd: videohelp.com and doom9.org's guides page might be able to point you in the right direction |
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| 11:56.14 | marc7 | that's a very brief overview though, not certain if there's anything of use on there :-/ |
| 11:56.29 | free_penguin | well i meant its application is prevalent |
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| 11:57.47 | quitte | hi. can i use certificates created with gnutls with openssl? |
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| 11:59.33 | Crypticfortune | quitte: i've never used gnutls, but i can't imagine why not. |
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| 12:00.06 | jduggan | Hi all, I've a strange problem using serialmonkey's rt2500 driver, im using latest cvs (also tried default debian etch version) load the module, it can scan and find my AP, shows its essid, if i manually iwconfig eth1 channel 11; iwconfig eth1 essid myessid, iwconfig shows it's fine, then when i ifconfig on the eth1 interface, i cant get any traffic at all |
| 12:00.13 | jduggan | i get destination host unreachable |
| 12:00.21 | xushi | strange, a2enmod says the module is already loaded.. but i can't see any php.. instead, it asks me to download the php |
| 12:00.26 | jduggan | even for the managed IP for the AP, so its not like its network connectivity, im stuck wot to try next |
| 12:00.30 | jduggan | anyone point me where to look? |
| 12:01.14 | itchi | xushi: Restart apache, and your browser too, clear the cache of it |
| 12:01.34 | itchi | xushi: iceweasel have some weird beavoirs some time |
| 12:01.43 | Crypticfortune | quitte: looks like gnutls supports using openpgp keys as ssl certificates (which openssl won't do), but the x509 stuff should be compatible |
| 12:01.49 | itchi | xushi: ctrl+r in iceweasel |
| 12:02.06 | itchi | xushi: That will reload the cache without keeping the stuff of the cache |
| 12:02.13 | itchi | bah |
| 12:02.17 | xushi | yep, still the same problem |
| 12:02.27 | itchi | xushi: Close the browser then |
| 12:02.53 | itchi | xushi: Wait, did you a restart or stop and then start of apache? |
| 12:03.01 | xushi | both |
| 12:03.02 | xushi | same problem |
| 12:03.05 | xushi | hang on |
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| 12:03.15 | xushi | looking in apache.conf, i see nothing related to php |
| 12:03.57 | xushi | does apt-get configure it automatically after you install mod-php4 ? |
| 12:04.26 | fireba11 | xushi: you need to look in modules-enabled |
| 12:04.26 | itchi | xushi: Tried /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable ? |
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| 12:05.14 | itchi | xushi: You should see thee php4.conf@ and php4.load@ |
| 12:05.40 | xushi | indeed i see them (without the @). Let me try now |
| 12:06.08 | itchi | xushi: That's maybe cause by my shell, anyway it should be a symlink |
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| 12:06.42 | xushi | excellent. I think i found the problem now |
| 12:06.51 | xushi | it works if you manually go to http://server/index.php |
| 12:07.01 | xushi | but it asks to download if you go to http://server/ |
| 12:07.05 | itchi | xushi: It's a browser problem i think |
| 12:07.13 | xushi | firefox? |
| 12:07.23 | itchi | xushi: Try with another one to see if the same problem happend |
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| 12:08.21 | xushi | itchi: strange, you're right |
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| 12:08.57 | xushi | strange, any other server acts normally |
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| 12:09.11 | itchi | xushi: In the browser, go to "Tools" and "clear private date ..." |
| 12:09.38 | itchi | xushi: Clean that cache there |
| 12:09.49 | xushi | itchi: you're right.. thanks :) |
| 12:09.56 | xushi | that was a nice run |
| 12:10.19 | itchi | xushi: I had got the same problem a while ago, still weird :-s |
| 12:11.56 | free_penguin | heh |
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| 12:17.44 | \\language_maker | function a = function b -> function_c;; |
| 12:18.05 | \\language_maker | couldn't help myself being my old self |
| 12:18.16 | \\language_maker | seeing master_ol_master; just reminded myself |
| 12:18.37 | harpal_ | from where it takes that the interface is eth0 or eth1? |
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| 12:19.10 | \\language_maker | master_master is like function a b -> function b a and vice versa, i guess |
| 12:19.25 | \\language_maker | actually no |
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| 12:19.43 | \\language_maker | well yes, if a of b and b of a |
| 12:19.51 | \\language_maker | anywayz... doesn't matter |
| 12:20.01 | simonrvn | o1 actually... |
| 12:20.03 | harpal_ | because I have installed debian to harddisk to one machine. than I have moved my harddisk to another machine and start that but my interface become eth1 from eth0 |
| 12:20.22 | harpal_ | any idea how to make it eth0 again |
| 12:20.51 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 12:20.52 | dpkg | z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 12:21.19 | predder | is that built into etch? |
| 12:21.30 | predder | (the persistent nic naming by default) |
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| 12:21.38 | xand | predder: yes |
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| 12:21.53 | predder | wow, that exmplains a lot =\ |
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| 12:22.52 | harpal | simonrvn: thanx I will try that and let you know |
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| 12:24.27 | \\language_maker | you know who cares if i die |
| 12:24.33 | \\language_maker | just occurs to me |
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| 12:24.41 | \\language_maker | i don't really matter as long as i'm alive |
| 12:24.53 | predder | the staff at your funeral parlour? |
| 12:25.07 | predder | but #debian sure does care that you're alive and talking OT |
| 12:25.17 | \\language_maker | my nick is montrous but who cares |
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| 12:25.39 | \\language_maker | i'm no google but who cares, right? |
| 12:25.41 | \\language_maker | etc |
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| 12:26.18 | \\language_maker | it just occurs that i'm smart |
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| 12:26.27 | \\language_maker | very unfortunate, but oh well |
| 12:26.35 | cast|lir | seems to be a bug with my ttf-opensymbol pkg, how do i get rid of it? http://rafb.net/p/cbzefV62.html ive tried aptitude remove, dpkg purge, no luck |
| 12:26.50 | cast|lir | get rid of the ttf-opensymbol pkg that is |
| 12:27.47 | cast|lir | http://rafb.net/p/r0vvk851.html # dpkg --remove ttf-opensymbol |
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| 12:27.53 | cast|lir | tried --force-all, too |
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| 12:28.59 | xushi | here's another questoin.. how do i install apache/php4's mysql handler ? |
| 12:30.23 | predder | apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 12:30.45 | xushi | aah.. i was searching through libapache2-mod- |
| 12:30.54 | xushi | thanks |
| 12:31.48 | predder | np, apache requires a php mod to interpret pages but the php interpreter requires the libraries to talk to mysql so the two are unrelated (apache and mysql) |
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| 12:40.26 | GuHHH | is there any way to translate chm files? |
| 12:40.45 | simonrvn | translate? |
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| 12:41.03 | petemc | GuHHH: there are various apps to read them |
| 12:41.06 | simonrvn | you mean have them in a readable format? yeh, there's a converter |
| 12:41.22 | simonrvn | oh yeh, some readers too |
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| 12:42.23 | GuHHH | no |
| 12:42.23 | GuHHH | i mean, i dont know russian |
| 12:42.23 | GuHHH | lol |
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| 12:42.33 | Legality | hiya |
| 12:42.42 | waspius | +i |
| 12:42.46 | simonrvn | oh, heh, stick it in altavista or google translate ;) |
| 12:42.49 | Legality | hey, does anyone know any good software for virtualizing a dedicated server? |
| 12:43.01 | simonrvn | vserver kernel stuff |
| 12:43.11 | simonrvn | or other stuff, like xen |
| 12:43.16 | petemc | Legality: rsync |
| 12:43.21 | petemc | + xen |
| 12:43.34 | Legality | rsync? |
| 12:43.36 | petemc | yes |
| 12:43.42 | simonrvn | petemc: have you gotten etch security updates recently? |
| 12:43.50 | Legality | xen? |
| 12:43.51 | Legality | lol |
| 12:43.55 | petemc | google? |
| 12:43.59 | petemc | simonrvn: not sure, ill check |
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| 12:44.13 | Woet | is there any way to limit the speed of a wget ? |
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| 12:44.26 | itchi | Legality: Xen, vmware-server (this is free to use), openvz. And if you CPU support it kvm |
| 12:44.26 | Legality | petemc: for what was that rsync for? |
| 12:44.29 | simonrvn | yes, see its man page or --help |
| 12:44.44 | simonrvn | Woet: ^^^ |
| 12:44.45 | Legality | that xen looks good |
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| 12:44.50 | petemc | Legality: to copy the existing install to a machine running xen |
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| 12:45.26 | itchi | Woet: you missed that --limit-rate=RATE limit download rate to RATE. |
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| 12:45.30 | Legality | my intentions was to lease a new dedicated and sell it in pieces as virtuals |
| 12:45.59 | Legality | oh crap |
| 12:46.04 | Legality | xen was of course commercial |
| 12:46.10 | Legality | I'm looking mostly free |
| 12:46.10 | Woet | oh oke |
| 12:46.12 | petemc | no, theres a free version |
| 12:46.14 | Woet | and rate is kbs? |
| 12:46.15 | Legality | oh |
| 12:46.21 | rotototo | hi sorry for the noob questionb ut how insert a line in all *.test file in a dir plz find *.test -exec echo "test">> {} \; doesn't work :/ |
| 12:46.29 | petemc | Legality: the stuff in debian is free |
| 12:46.34 | Woet | wget test.iso --limit-rate=200 |
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| 12:46.36 | Woet | is max 200 kb/s? |
| 12:46.46 | Legality | all i see are trials |
| 12:46.53 | Legality | oh |
| 12:46.55 | Legality | xen express? |
| 12:46.56 | petemc | Legality: apt-cache search xen |
| 12:47.14 | itchi | Woet: Try man wget and there in do /rate (to do a search) and you get beer! |
| 12:47.31 | Woet | k |
| 12:47.33 | Legality | oh |
| 12:47.35 | Legality | lol |
| 12:47.37 | Woet | whoo |
| 12:47.39 | Woet | i never liked beer |
| 12:47.59 | itchi | Woet: That's why you hate the man pages :-p |
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| 12:48.04 | Woet | Yes. |
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| 12:48.25 | Legality | petemc: have you ever played with virtualizing servers + xen stuff? |
| 12:48.36 | petemc | Legality: i use xen, yes |
| 12:48.50 | SlayerXP | xen ftw |
| 12:49.00 | Legality | petemc: is it hard to learn? |
| 12:49.08 | Legality | in general |
| 12:49.11 | petemc | Legality: no, you need to do some reading tho |
| 12:49.15 | Legality | ok |
| 12:49.20 | itchi | Legality: Define hard :-) |
| 12:49.31 | SlayerXP | Legality: using xen requires you to use your brain a little, and understand ethernet bridges |
| 12:49.32 | Legality | hmm,, i prolly need to get some testing box |
| 12:49.49 | SlayerXP | Legality: you will almost certainly want to learn LVM at the same time |
| 12:49.56 | Legality | lvm? |
| 12:50.10 | petemc | yes |
| 12:50.13 | SlayerXP | Logical Volume Manager |
| 12:50.23 | itchi | Legality: See /msg dpkg lvm |
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| 12:51.06 | Legality | hmmh, broken link |
| 12:51.18 | petemc | does google work ? |
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| 12:51.45 | itchi | It does here |
| 12:51.54 | Legality | one question to get for starters. With xen it's possible to adjust all the specs of the vhosts? ram, hd etc |
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| 12:52.15 | petemc | Legality: yes |
| 12:52.20 | itchi | We get a 404 of that factoids link :-( |
| 12:52.33 | Legality | alrighty, it's time to start learning then |
| 12:52.34 | Legality | thanks |
| 12:52.59 | simonrvn | !lvm |
| 12:53.00 | dpkg | i heard lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 12:53.06 | Legality | oh, petemc: do you use any control panels with the virtuals? virtualmin etc? |
| 12:53.22 | petemc | !lvm |
| 12:53.23 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 12:53.34 | petemc | Legality: i dont use them |
| 12:53.53 | Legality | you let the actual users to do all they want? |
| 12:53.57 | simonrvn | cool |
| 12:54.02 | Legality | "start from zero" |
| 12:54.12 | simonrvn | nice find petemc |
| 12:54.14 | petemc | Legality: i dont run a hosting/vserver company |
| 12:54.17 | Legality | oh |
| 12:54.30 | petemc | Legality: i use xen for virtualising the servers i use in other capacities |
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| 12:54.41 | Legality | yeah |
| 12:54.45 | Legality | i understand |
| 12:54.51 | petemc | simonrvn: useful link, yeah |
| 12:55.33 | itchi | petemc: Thanks for the update! |
| 12:55.39 | petemc | np! |
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| 12:57.48 | free_penguin | i'm so stupid >.< |
| 12:58.31 | mmc | what is "Reverese dependency"? Is it only about installed packages? |
| 12:59.01 | Wyzard | mmc: A reverse dependency is a package that depends on the one you're looking at |
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| 12:59.52 | mmc | Wyzard: an Installed one which depends on .... what Im looking at |
| 13:00.11 | Wyzard | mmc: For example, just about everything is a reverse dependency of libc |
| 13:00.16 | yang | I have a VGA switch but it doesnt want to display 1280x1024 resolution |
| 13:00.17 | yang | KVM switch |
| 13:00.19 | yang | ctrl+alt+plus should change resolution right? |
| 13:00.38 | chaoticflaws | Recently my apt-get and aptitude are shitting bricks about a seg fault from scrollkeeper-update that appears when trying to un-install packages |
| 13:01.05 | free_penguin | i used to play openttd |
| 13:01.19 | chaoticflaws | This sound familiar to anyone? |
| 13:01.20 | free_penguin | i loved the original music from transport tycoon deluxe |
| 13:02.01 | free_penguin | you know what i mean? midi synthesizer sounds |
| 13:02.04 | free_penguin | cool... |
| 13:02.19 | free_penguin | i liked the intro music |
| 13:02.22 | simonrvn | petemc: any news on the etch updates? |
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| 13:03.15 | simonrvn | free_penguin: are you a bot? |
| 13:03.23 | DustyBin | what do you guys think about the www.lpi.org exams? |
| 13:04.07 | jelly-home | DustyBin: they have RH or Debian, afair |
| 13:04.17 | DustyBin | Debian! seriously? |
| 13:04.26 | jelly-home | yes |
| 13:04.30 | DustyBin | aye :D |
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| 13:07.14 | DustyBin | oh dear, all i can find is 'Ubuntu Certified Professional exams' |
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| 13:08.12 | free_penguin | herro |
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| 13:08.55 | xtor | How do I start mysql if it is not running on my box? |
| 13:09.03 | xtor | In debian |
| 13:09.34 | SlayerXP | xtor: /etc/init.d/mysqlsomething start |
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| 13:10.05 | xtor | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 13:10.16 | xtor | thats what I get when I do that init.d/mysql start thingy |
| 13:10.30 | DustyBin | xtor: you can run it on my box anytime :D |
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| 13:10.59 | xtor | k thanks, but that doesn't help me right now |
| 13:11.14 | free_penguin | herro |
| 13:11.15 | free_penguin | ;) |
| 13:12.01 | orlandoj | xtor, ln -s /tmp/mysql.sock /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 13:12.20 | orlandoj | try to create this link |
| 13:12.30 | xtor | uhmm....hmmm |
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| 13:13.00 | flami | Im trying to install java 1.6 on etch , but it seems as if the package from sid cant be used ( need to update libc6 ) . tried to use the one from backports.org, but this one gives me umet dependecies that cant be resolved, and the "solution" aptitude finds is to keep "sun-java6-jre [Not Installed]" at its current version. anyone have an idea what im doing wrong ? |
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| 13:13.17 | flami | aptitude -t etch-backports install sun-java6-jre |
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| 13:13.53 | xtor | orland I did that and restarted mysql..and now...its just sitting there like in some perpetual loop |
| 13:14.11 | xtor | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 13:14.11 | xtor | Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 13:14.22 | FastPutty | hi guys, is there any good tutorial on the net with QOS and TC? |
| 13:14.22 | ma3x | I configured my kernel without 'thermal' module and it's still shutting down after temp overheat |
| 13:14.43 | FastPutty | xtor: your database is damaged |
| 13:14.58 | jelly-home | ma3x: how do you know it's kernel's doing and not your overheating CPU? |
| 13:15.15 | xtor | FastPutty how can it just get damaged like that? |
| 13:15.16 | orlandoj | xtor, is the mysqld running ? |
| 13:15.17 | ma3x | jelly-home, because when I disable ACPI, it's not shutting down |
| 13:15.25 | ma3x | jelly-home, and it logs it |
| 13:15.43 | xtor | orlandoj now the mysql is indeed running |
| 13:16.06 | xtor | any idea what caused the crash in the first place? |
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| 13:16.57 | flami | could it be that there is no package for java 1.6 for amd64 ? |
| 13:17.23 | ma3x | flami, get debian 32 bit |
| 13:17.50 | flami | well nope ^^ its a remote system and i wont take it down for that |
| 13:18.18 | orlandoj | xtor, the mysqld needs the socket |
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| 13:18.39 | xtor | yeah but how did it lose the socket in the first place? |
| 13:18.45 | orlandoj | xtor, the mysql.sock, and it looks in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 13:18.50 | xtor | Could it have been me cleaning out the temp directory? |
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| 13:19.14 | xtor | orlandoj but that /var/run/mysqld/ directory was EMPTY when I looked there |
| 13:19.43 | xtor | how come the file got nuked? I don't understand how all this happened in the first place cuz mysql was running fine a couple of days ago |
| 13:20.36 | orlandoj | creating this link, the mysqld found the socket ( that is in /tmp diretory ) |
| 13:20.43 | simonrvn | petemc: went to look, really odd that some obvious updates aren't in yet |
| 13:20.50 | ma3x | where can I get acpi help? |
| 13:21.13 | xelon | Hi, I'm trying to compile 2.6.22.9 kernel from source with make-kpkg. After installation i reboot the computer and select the new compiled kernel. But it gives an alert and drop to shell. "ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" I searched this error message and find that I have to make package with --initrd parameter. I tried it also but it didn't work. What is the problem? |
| 13:21.24 | xtor | orlandoj what if I had just touched a null file in /var/run/mysqld instead? What was the point of getting the /tmp directory involved |
| 13:21.42 | xtor | and how come the system broke to begin with...I mean it didnt give me these errors before at all |
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| 13:22.35 | ziyax | hi |
| 13:24.07 | xelon | How can i find a solution with this error? (ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!) |
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| 13:24.24 | orlandoj | xtor, i don't know. probably it is setted in my.ini (??) |
| 13:24.26 | xand | why do you need to compile your own kernel? |
| 13:24.44 | xelon | xand: i need to insatll l7-filter |
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| 13:24.49 | xelon | xand: i need to install l7-filter |
| 13:25.13 | xtor | hrmmm....I have not rebooted my server for 20 days...and mysql was running for at least 18 days |
| 13:25.53 | xelon | xand: and l7-filter installed as a patch to kernel |
| 13:26.11 | simonrvn | setted isn't a word in that context |
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| 13:27.17 | cydork | xtor: does /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock exist? |
| 13:27.34 | xtor | it did not exist when I just looked |
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| 13:27.46 | xtor | but it does exist now |
| 13:27.57 | cydork | xtor: so you created it? why? |
| 13:28.01 | xtor | after I created a softlink from temp like orlandoj suggested |
| 13:28.18 | xtor | I created a softlink from /tmp/mysqld.sock |
| 13:28.25 | xtor | and after I did that..it worked! |
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| 13:28.55 | cydork | xtor: why? delete that damn softlink. and it will also work as expected. |
| 13:28.56 | xand | simonrvn: is it a word in any context? |
| 13:29.09 | ziyax | hi i'm having problem with installing mysql 5.0 via deb file |
| 13:29.13 | ziyax | i'm new at debian |
| 13:29.29 | xtor | cydork all I know is that orlandokj asked me to create that softlink..and right after I created that softlink mysql was able to work |
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| 13:29.55 | themill | ziyax: ok -- I take it you've got an error message, can you pastebin that for us? |
| 13:30.00 | themill | !tell ziyax about paste |
| 13:30.10 | cydork | xtor: no need to repeat. and i am saying there is no need to create that softlink. |
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| 13:30.36 | xtor | but it was only after creating that softlink that mysql started to work |
| 13:30.56 | FastPutty | xtor: use mysql tool to fix damage d |
| 13:30.56 | FastPutty | db |
| 13:31.05 | simonrvn | xand: nope ;) |
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| 13:31.21 | cydork | xtor: then check your permisssions for /var/run/mysqld/ |
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| 13:31.36 | nailix | hello everyone |
| 13:32.05 | xtor | cydork well mysql was working a few days ago I have no clue why it would suddenly crash and then not start up |
| 13:32.25 | nailix | xtor, check ur logs |
| 13:32.28 | xtor | Is there a danger in having that softlink in /tmp? Which is world writeable and readable? |
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| 13:32.43 | ziyax | ok the-me |
| 13:32.48 | ziyax | *themill |
| 13:32.55 | ziyax | wait sorry i was in ssh |
| 13:33.16 | nailix | \/tmp is designed for that |
| 13:33.18 | ziyax | http://paste.debian.net/38509 |
| 13:33.45 | nailix | hey ppl have u tried out bind9 above 9.4.1 version ? |
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| 13:33.56 | cydork | xtor: creating softlink is not required.. |
| 13:34.31 | free_penguin | wtf |
| 13:34.32 | xelon | Please, help me. I'm having trouble with compiling a new kernel! |
| 13:34.33 | nailix | permissions have been changed , now no one else localhost is allowed by default ! |
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| 13:34.34 | nailix | crazy |
| 13:34.45 | free_penguin | i'm so dumb >.< |
| 13:34.51 | free_penguin | why you take over |
| 13:34.55 | free_penguin | why |
| 13:35.05 | Tw4t | xelon, why do u need to compile? |
| 13:35.13 | themill | free_penguin: wtf are you on about? |
| 13:35.15 | cydork | hmm i thought sunday was over! |
| 13:35.22 | nailix | tw4: probably to get some gcc errors :p |
| 13:35.24 | ziyax | themill: http://paste.debian.net/38509 |
| 13:35.45 | xelon | Tw4t: I need to install l7-filter which installed as a patch to kernel |
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| 13:36.39 | themill | ziyax: could you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list too |
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| 13:36.47 | xelon | nailix: I don't get any gcc error! |
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| 13:37.09 | lux0r | free_penguin: whats up? |
| 13:37.13 | nailix | so what's the pb !!! |
| 13:37.14 | ziyax | sure wait |
| 13:37.37 | xelon | I'm getting this error after rebooting the system with new kernel "ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell..." |
| 13:37.42 | ziyax | btw it must be default list i installed debian today |
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| 13:37.53 | free_penguin | bye |
| 13:37.59 | lux0r | xelon: did you install a debian kernel or a custom one? |
| 13:38.08 | nailix | u need to either compile ur HDD mocule statically or as a module |
| 13:38.15 | xelon | lux0r: custom |
| 13:38.17 | simonrvn | free_penguin is a bot or something |
| 13:38.23 | ziyax | themill: http://paste.debian.net/38510 here you go |
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| 13:38.32 | nailix | ur kernel do not find the HDD driver that's all |
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| 13:38.37 | lux0r | xelon: then you might have forgotten to build your S-ATA support |
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| 13:39.15 | xelon | lux0r: Hmmm. let me look it |
| 13:39.31 | xelon | nailix: Ok. I'm looking it from the menuconfig |
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| 13:40.01 | lux0r | xelon: best advice is to use the /boot/config-2.6-something of a debian kernel, run "make oldconfig" on this one and strip that down to your needs |
| 13:40.07 | DerGraf_ | Hi |
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| 13:40.31 | ziyax | btw whats the latest kernel for deb? |
| 13:40.43 | lux0r | ziyax: apt-cache will tell you |
| 13:40.46 | themill | ziyax: ok. There are a few things you're doing wrong here. 1) you should not be trying to install packages by hand with dpkg (this isn't redhat -- you don't use dpkg like you might have used rpm). |
| 13:40.48 | DerGraf_ | What do you think, is a MySQL server secure enough to store plaintext login passwords? (Used by pam_mysql and so on for ex) |
| 13:41.03 | DerGraf_ | ex=example |
| 13:41.27 | lux0r | DerGraf_: think about it yourself, is it secure enough for your needs? |
| 13:41.30 | xelon | lux0r: I'm copying /boot/config-2.6... to /usr/src/linux/.config. And starting configuring the kernel settings |
| 13:41.42 | simonrvn | IMO, no, you'll want to connect to the daemon within an ssl/tls layer |
| 13:41.52 | ziyax | yes themill |
| 13:41.55 | lux0r | xelon: so just dont remove important S-ATA / SCSI related things :) |
| 13:41.57 | themill | ziyax: 2) You have installed debian 4.0 (a.k.a. "etch") but the .deb your are trying to install is from the next version of debian that has not yet been released (a.k.a. "lenny") and your source.list is pointing to version 3.1 ("sarge"). |
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| 13:42.21 | simonrvn | ugh, what a mess |
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| 13:42.37 | ziyax | hm |
| 13:42.41 | DerGraf_ | I'm not sure. The MySQL connection would not go over the network, just local. |
| 13:42.43 | ziyax | well its remote machine |
| 13:42.55 | ziyax | my partners wanted to switch deb we were using centos |
| 13:42.59 | xtor | I am trying to remove webmin-core from my system but no matter what I do, even if I do apt-get remove webmin-core or apt-get install -f by itself, it still keeps whining about webmin-core. How can I just NUKE webmin-core out of my system? |
| 13:43.15 | xelon | lux0r: At first I changed some features, then it gives me error. But last time I didn't change anything and didn't patched l7-filter to kernel. Just extracted and copied the old kernels .config file to the new kernel source directory. But it gives the error again |
| 13:43.19 | lux0r | DerGraf_: depends. do you have local users with a shell? |
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| 13:43.29 | DerGraf_ | lux0r: yes |
| 13:43.32 | themill | ziyax: OK. Edit your sources.list to look like this: http://paste.debian.net/38512 |
| 13:43.40 | ziyax | oki ty checking |
| 13:43.50 | lux0r | DerGraf_: then you go at risk that somebody is sniffing the passwords |
| 13:44.05 | themill | ziyax: or even better, pick a mirror that is closer to you than the main debian server |
| 13:44.13 | themill | !tell ziyax about mirrors |
| 13:44.46 | lux0r | xelon: well. only advice i can give in that situation, go back to the starting point and try to do only 1 thing at once |
| 13:44.56 | ziyax | oki i done editing |
| 13:45.07 | themill | ziyax: this will use a local mirror for you if you want: http://paste.debian.net/38513 |
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| 13:46.04 | xelon | lux0r: I removed the source directory at all. and extracted it again. Starting from all aver again :) This time I'm gonna check the S-ATA/SCSI things twice :) |
| 13:46.40 | ziyax | themill: i tried apt-get upgrade but it gave me some errors |
| 13:46.45 | themill | ziyax: once you've edited your sources.list, run "aptitude update" to make sure that the sources are fine. |
| 13:46.59 | ziyax | oki |
| 13:47.02 | themill | ziyax: if ever you edit sources.list you need to run aptitude update |
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| 13:47.26 | FastPutty | how do you reset tc ? |
| 13:47.29 | lux0r | xelon: the S-ATA support is tricky cause it requires a few kernel features that are not directly masked as "S-ATA" or "SCSI" |
| 13:47.30 | ziyax | themill:i edited ty now trying aptitude :) its my 1st time using debie |
| 13:47.33 | FastPutty | i got this RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
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| 13:48.04 | simonrvn | you need to clear it or edit it in place |
| 13:48.28 | themill | ziyax: aptitude is better to use than apt-get. It records what you've done and is smarter at resolving problems. |
| 13:48.37 | xelon | lux0r: I installed the debian with 4.0r0. Do you think I have to start the process with installation of 4.0r1 |
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| 13:48.44 | FastPutty | how do you reset tc ? |
| 13:48.55 | ziyax | themill: its processing now :) waiting for finish btw is there apache 2.2.6 for deb? |
| 13:49.03 | simonrvn | xelon: no. if you've been tracking security.d.o, then you don't need to do anything |
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| 13:49.42 | xelon | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 13:49.49 | themill | ziyax: apt-cache search apache2; apt-cache policy apache2 (version in etch is 2.2.3) |
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| 13:49.58 | lux0r | xelon: no, the kernel will stay untouched during an upgrade if you installed a custom one |
| 13:49.58 | themill | !tell ziyax about search |
| 13:50.23 | ziyax | themill: hm oki coz i was using jasonlitka's repos for centos and updated apache to 2.2.6 it was cool :) |
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| 13:50.46 | ziyax | themill: ah can i use perl like regex for search? |
| 13:51.09 | lux0r | xelon: only problem you might run into is when your kernel version is that new that it requires newer userspace tools that are not yet in the stable tree (4.0) |
| 13:51.12 | themill | ziyax: yes. using it with grep is also often handy. Also look at packages.debian.org |
| 13:51.32 | GuHHH | does someone knows a bittorrent client that let me choose files (inside a torrent) that i want to download, instead of all the files in the torrent? |
| 13:51.55 | ziyax | themill: i'm already there ty so much :) we are switched to deb for friends they told us its better than other distros and i can see it from its irc channel :) |
| 13:51.57 | lux0r | xelon: to be save from that you should not go with a higher kernel version that the newest one on backports.org |
| 13:51.57 | themill | ziyax: the differences between 2.2.3 and 2.2.6 are minimal, you probably don't need to worry about that/ |
| 13:52.27 | FastPutty | why do i get this error when i try to launch a tc script, RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 13:52.34 | ziyax | themill: well we were using it for so much social turkish network and we were minimized cpu usage to 0.2's even when 400 ppl online |
| 13:52.38 | simonrvn | probably just some minor bug fixes... changelog reading is required to confirm/deny ;) |
| 13:52.57 | themill | ziyax: debian is a very solid distro. Things just work, and aptitude does the hard work for you. |
| 13:53.07 | xelon | lux0r: Which version do you suggest to me? |
| 13:53.11 | themill | simonrvn: mostly security fixes from what I read |
| 13:53.19 | ziyax | themill: i liked it now ;p maybe i'll switch all my servers to debbie |
| 13:53.22 | simonrvn | oh, *eek* |
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| 13:53.42 | lux0r | xelon: depends what feature you need from a newer kernel than the 2.6.18-5 from etch (4.0) |
| 13:54.10 | themill | ziyax: ok, so you've got your sources.list fixed and run aptitude update. Now run aptitude upgrade to pick up security fixes. |
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| 13:54.17 | xtor | I just looked at top and the load average was about 12...I did an "apachectl graceful" and right after doing that I watched the load average go to about 2.5. What does this mean? That one of my php scripts has a "resource hole" of some kind? |
| 13:54.24 | simonrvn | first 5 changelog entries are CVE updates |
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| 13:54.49 | xelon | lux0r: Nothing I just want to install l7-filter. So i went to kernel.org and downloaded the latest stable version |
| 13:54.56 | ziyax | oki |
| 13:54.56 | themill | simonrvn: yep.. it just fills you with confidence.... |
| 13:55.03 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 13:55.56 | ziyax | themill: result of upgrade http://paste.debian.net/38516 |
| 13:56.35 | lux0r | xelon: if you only need to apply some patch i would suggest to apt-get the kernel source for the newest kernel in etch, then apply your patch, then copy the /boot/config over, then run "make oldconfig" and after that bake the kernel with "make-kpkg" |
| 13:56.49 | themill | ziyax: You've confused apt by trying to force dpkg to install that deb. Try a dpkg -r mysql-server-5.0 |
| 13:57.26 | ziyax | themill: it gave an error http://paste.debian.net/38517 |
| 13:57.46 | xelon | lux0r: Ok, thanks. After installation I'm gonna let you know if the system is running or not. Thanks a million |
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| 13:57.58 | lux0r | xelon: welcome and good luck :) |
| 13:57.58 | themill | ziyax: "apt-get -f install" should fix it up |
| 13:58.02 | lrp | ufff finnaly im in |
| 13:58.08 | xelon | lux0r: :) |
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| 13:58.11 | ziyax | ok solved removed mysql-server |
| 13:58.17 | themill | good good |
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| 13:58.21 | lrp | stew u had to make an script to allow me to autojoin to the channel |
| 13:58.39 | themill | lrp: he's gone. |
| 13:58.53 | lrp | my friends i have to following trouble in my dexktop my X crashed and the follow error in the syslog is .... |
| 13:59.02 | ziyax | themill:it's updating |
| 13:59.35 | simonrvn | ARG |
| 13:59.51 | themill | ziyax: Next step is to actually install mysql as you wanted. I assume you'll want to use mysql with php, so: aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 php5-mysql |
| 14:00.00 | lrp | .... kdm Abnormal termination of greeter for display 0 code 127 signal 0 |
| 14:00.12 | themill | ziyax: you can also grab phpmyadmin and mysql-client if you want |
| 14:00.13 | simonrvn | themill: the lack of recent updates is disconcerting.... |
| 14:00.22 | lrp | any ideas??? please im from console rigth now becasue the x does not start |
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| 14:01.56 | ziyax | themill: i even switched to local mirrors but its so slow :/ "4901B/s" |
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| 14:04.52 | themill | simonrvn: yes.. there is a +etch3 somewhere (etch-proposed-updates, perhaps). I don't think any of the CVEs were remotely exploitable though.... i hope. |
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| 14:06.11 | ziyax | themill: is there way for installing full mysql client+server+devel ? |
| 14:06.22 | ziyax | themill: or i need to do name by name? |
| 14:06.25 | simonrvn | themill: i think i'm going to go see if i can include that in sources ... |
| 14:06.57 | themill | simonrvn: be a little careful with the -proposed-updates repo... all manner of junk gets uploaded there with no QA at all. |
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| 14:07.54 | themill | ziyax: I'm not sure what else you want... if you just run aptitude you can select the packages in a text user interface if you want. |
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| 14:08.37 | ziyax | themill:oki ty :) |
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| 14:19.17 | efaistos | does someone use vmware esx on debian ? |
| 14:19.43 | Tallu | ehm. |
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| 14:24.01 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:24.01 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
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| 14:24.35 | yure | hi. has anyone set multiple IP's with interface bonding on debian? |
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| 14:24.57 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 14:25.38 | Flimzy | Is there an equivolent of 'hdparm' for SATA drives? Or even for IDE drives using the new libsata interface? |
| 14:25.47 | simonrvn | sdparm |
| 14:25.51 | Flimzy | handy |
| 14:25.56 | simonrvn | for scsi sub-layer |
| 14:26.21 | Flimzy | Thanks :) |
| 14:26.26 | simonrvn | np |
| 14:26.45 | Flimzy | heh, sdparm doesn't seem to like my hard drive |
| 14:26.56 | Flimzy | is that because it's phsyically an IDE drive? |
| 14:27.03 | simonrvn | probably |
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| 14:28.42 | Trewas | hdparm works with sata-drives, at least new enough versions |
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| 14:36.41 | sinizzl | hi, i have a pretty stupid question: i got this fancy dyndns.org hostname (shiznix.dyndns.org) and i want it to be a mailserver, so i can have my adress christian@shiznix.dyndns.org , how do i do that? i know it's a stupid question |
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| 14:37.02 | wols | it's not stupid |
| 14:37.23 | sinizzl | wols: what service do i have to use? i only know a little about server and stuff |
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| 14:37.29 | wols | install and configure a mail transport agent. by default, debian uses exim4. another choice is postfix |
| 14:37.39 | sinizzl | oka |
| 14:37.40 | sinizzl | y |
| 14:37.40 | wols | exim4 is already installed |
| 14:37.41 | bionix | quit |
| 14:37.42 | petemc | sinizzl: you could just set up a mta on the box that shiznix.dyndns.org points to now and it would work, its better to set up a mx record tho |
| 14:37.47 | sinizzl | man exim4 it is then |
| 14:37.50 | abrotman | sinizzl: it's likely to not work at all |
| 14:37.55 | wols | howevre, you are on a dialup IP range which means you need a smarthost |
| 14:38.01 | sinizzl | abrotman: why is that ? |
| 14:38.11 | wols | you also need to make sure your ISP isn't blocking port25 in any way |
| 14:38.11 | sinizzl | wols: i have a fix ip adress. my isp gives them for free, lol |
| 14:38.19 | abrotman | sinizzl: are you on a residential line ? |
| 14:38.25 | sinizzl | wols: my provider is as cool as it gets. |
| 14:38.27 | sinizzl | abrotman: yes i am |
| 14:38.35 | wols | doesn't matter: you are still in a dialup ip range and many servers will reject mail from your IP |
| 14:38.42 | abrotman | i would |
| 14:38.42 | sinizzl | but my ISP doesn't block squat. |
| 14:38.47 | themill | sinizzl: many people will refuse to accept email from you if you are in the dialup range. |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | i would block you |
| 14:38.57 | themill | so would i :) |
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| 14:39.01 | petemc | http://www.robtex.com/rbl/87.245.93.82.html |
| 14:39.09 | sinizzl | i only want to RECEIVE email, i will use smtp from my isp to send them. |
| 14:39.11 | wols | so you need a smarthost, eg your ISP's mailservre for example |
| 14:39.24 | wols | you receiving mail isn't impeded by that and will still work |
| 14:39.55 | sinizzl | because i have the most common combination of firstname and family name in my country (switzerland) it's almost impossible to get a schweet email adress, so i want my own |
| 14:40.05 | peterS | sinizzl: in that case you shouldn't need to use dyndns.org anyway - if it's a fixed address, just pay your $10 per year for a real domain name |
| 14:40.18 | sinizzl | peterS: i want to use dyndns. |
| 14:40.28 | abrotman | i want to block your email! |
| 14:40.50 | peterS | sinizzl: well, ok. anyway, as others have said, you just need to run a mail server on your box, and the spam should flow |
| 14:40.51 | abrotman | sinizzl: just set exim up as an internet site .. configure it to accept mail for that domain |
| 14:41.08 | peterS | sinizzl: if you're lucky, legitimate mail will come in along with the spam |
| 14:41.28 | themill | !pony wols |
| 14:41.29 | sinizzl | there _are_ spam filters, aren't they ? |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | which would block you :) |
| 14:41.43 | peterS | there are. I use crm114, which is a bit hard to set up, but works pretty well once you do |
| 14:42.07 | sinizzl | as long as i keep my adress confidental i don't have to worry about it anyways? |
| 14:42.19 | capiira | we already know it :D |
| 14:42.24 | sinizzl | hm, right |
| 14:42.27 | sinizzl | well |
| 14:42.27 | wols | how can you keep it confidential and others send you mail |
| 14:42.30 | wols | something does not compute |
| 14:42.30 | sinizzl | i could still use another one :D |
| 14:42.32 | peterS | sinizzl: you'd be surprised - spammers like to try 1000 different hypothetical usernames at your mail server, to see if anything gets through |
| 14:42.49 | sinizzl | peterS: mhhh |
| 14:43.03 | sinizzl | peterS: so a spam filter is in any case a smart idea, allright |
| 14:43.13 | peterS | sinizzl: now if your email account is something weird like x7823648723@sinizzl.dyndns.org, they won't guess *that* |
| 14:43.19 | petemc | dont accept mail for usernames that dont exist |
| 14:43.24 | wols | use something like spamassassin. easier to use than crm114 |
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| 14:46.56 | click170 | If I block arp requests on my eth0 interface, does that mean I lose all connectivity on that interface? |
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| 14:48.01 | click170 | My problem is that I'm seeing "kernel: Neighbour table overflow." and losing connectivity in the mornings, so I was trying to block some arp requests. Before I start blocking arps though, if I do that, will I lose connectivity if I do? |
| 14:48.15 | click170 | I'm seeing "kernel: Neighbour table overflow." in the syslog * |
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| 14:50.21 | sinizzl | schweet |
| 14:50.25 | sinizzl | it's working with postfix. |
| 14:51.07 | alex_ | click170, you should be fine |
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| 14:53.09 | tarzeau | what's the tool called to read out the monitor information (frequency and the like)? |
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| 14:53.23 | wols | read-edid |
| 14:53.27 | wols | search for edid |
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| 14:54.19 | sinizzl | how do i access my mail in /var/mail/username on my host via pop3 ? |
| 14:54.22 | alex_ | my video card has dvi + normal vga output, can i run dual head># |
| 14:54.33 | alex_ | two monitors with one spanning desktop? |
| 14:54.33 | sinizzl | alex_: depends on the driver |
| 14:54.50 | sinizzl | alex_: if u got a well supported chipset, such as the nvidia ones, it should work |
| 14:54.57 | alex_ | its a X300 |
| 14:55.01 | sinizzl | hmmm |
| 14:55.05 | sinizzl | tough luck trying then :D |
| 14:55.19 | alex_ | when i loaded her up its the same desktop on both monitors >< |
| 14:55.28 | sinizzl | alex_: afaik fglrx does support xinerama |
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| 14:55.57 | sinizzl | in any case, AMD promised to significantly increase their driver's quality... so if u don't get it working today u might get it working in 2 months or so |
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| 14:56.44 | sinizzl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.09 | petemc | install a pop3d, dovecot is good |
| 14:57.12 | tarzeau | wols: ah it's not there for amd64... |
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| 14:57.52 | sinizzl | amd64 still seems to be treated as an unwanted stepchild ^_^ |
| 14:59.07 | cast | whats up with this funny bpo pkg naming, pkg = linux-image-2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64, version = 2.6.22-4~bpo40+1 |
| 14:59.51 | tarzeau | cast: bpo40 probably like bpo 4.0 (etch) |
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| 15:00.55 | cast | i was more thinking about the 22-2 and the 22-4 part |
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| 15:01.14 | ziyax | themill: yay! its installing mysql-client too :) |
| 15:01.37 | merc_work | anyone care to recommend a backup solution/ |
| 15:01.43 | themill | ziyax: good to hear. |
| 15:01.57 | themill | merc_work: rsnapshot is good (excellent!) for somethings |
| 15:02.04 | themill | *some things |
| 15:02.07 | petemc | merc_work: dirvish, backuppc |
| 15:02.12 | merc_work | just have to back up a few directories, on a live server. |
| 15:02.13 | cast | tar |
| 15:02.22 | cast | oh, live makes things tricky |
| 15:02.30 | petemc | why? |
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| 15:03.42 | merc_work | thanks |
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| 15:04.36 | cast | because if hes backing up things while they're changing its difficult, is one reason |
| 15:04.47 | vnWrK | hi, how do I upgrade all my installed packages in one shot? |
| 15:04.58 | petemc | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:05.11 | petemc | i back up "live" machines all the time, have yet to run into a problem |
| 15:05.17 | vnWrK | I know theres an oepnssh vulnerability AGAIN and I'd like to patch it...like evberything |
| 15:05.17 | petemc | perhaps im lucky |
| 15:05.24 | petemc | and now ive jinxed myself! |
| 15:05.30 | themill | petemc: heh |
| 15:05.38 | vnWrK | uhm k, tried dist-upgrade for the 1st time in one month and theres nothing to upgrade? |
| 15:05.48 | petemc | vnWrK: aptitude update first |
| 15:05.54 | vnWrK | did that |
| 15:06.02 | petemc | using etch? |
| 15:06.11 | vnWrK | yea |
| 15:06.17 | vnWrK | well im upsing apt-get not aptitude |
| 15:06.21 | vnWrK | -p |
| 15:06.23 | petemc | simonrvn mentioned a lack of updates earlie |
| 15:06.25 | petemc | r |
| 15:06.29 | vnWrK | ok. |
| 15:06.33 | petemc | im not sure myself |
| 15:07.07 | petemc | vnWrK: you have security lines in your sources.list? |
| 15:07.18 | vnWrK | means? |
| 15:07.35 | themill | vnWrK: perhaps pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for us |
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| 15:07.38 | petemc | in /etc/apt/sources.list , you have lines that mention security and etch |
| 15:07.42 | petemc | uncommented lines |
| 15:07.45 | simonrvn | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:07.54 | simonrvn | lines like that ^^^ |
| 15:07.54 | vnWrK | naw, only got main contrib lines |
| 15:07.59 | FastPutty | lol |
| 15:08.07 | FastPutty | vnWrK: that the reason |
| 15:08.16 | vnWrK | ok |
| 15:08.33 | FastPutty | anyone here know well about QOS and tc ? |
| 15:08.46 | vnWrK | simonrvn: vu que tes au canada tu peux me pastebiner ton sources.list stp? :p |
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| 15:09.05 | FastPutty | vnWrK: va dans debian-frsi tu parle francais |
| 15:09.19 | petemc | zut alors |
| 15:09.22 | vnWrK | hehe |
| 15:10.02 | vnWrK | ehm |
| 15:10.05 | vnWrK | !pastebin |
| 15:10.06 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 15:10.49 | karmatronic | vnWrK: c est sympa le canada |
| 15:10.51 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.02 | FastPutty | arreter de parler francais ici |
| 15:11.09 | karmatronic | kspath: it s a dead channel ... |
| 15:11.21 | vnWrK | karmatronic: thanks :p |
| 15:11.28 | themill | karmatronic: it wouldn't be if you asked your questions there ;) |
| 15:11.33 | kspath | with all the people using French here it does not have to be. |
| 15:11.40 | kspath | !fr |
| 15:11.40 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:11.43 | alex^^^ | Can anyone tell me why my dual head isnt working properly -> both monitors show the same desktop -> http://f3dora.org/paste/139 |
| 15:11.59 | vnWrK | see my sources.list : http://pastebin.ca/721783 |
| 15:12.15 | kspath | alex^^^: you are doing it wrong, is why. |
| 15:12.17 | karmatronic | themill: i prefer #debian as it offers me a chance to practice my english ...:) |
| 15:12.19 | D4N` | hello |
| 15:12.29 | vnWrK | anyone from canada that can paste me his etch sources.list plz? |
| 15:12.47 | themill | karmatronic: that's quite fair. But it is an english channel not a french channel. |
| 15:12.58 | alex^^^ | kspath, explain |
| 15:13.00 | Ronin | vnWrK: no security source? |
| 15:13.02 | vnWrK | [burmese] |
| 15:13.09 | vnWrK | Ronin: no, thats why I'm asking |
| 15:13.10 | vnWrK | hehe |
| 15:13.21 | vnWrK | and is theres a qmail etch source by the way I'd like one |
| 15:13.32 | kspath | alex^^^: xorg or xfree? |
| 15:13.34 | Ronin | vnWrK: just add the security one manually |
| 15:13.51 | themill | Ronin: simonrvn gave you the deb line for security that you need |
| 15:13.56 | vnWrK | I replace contrib with security? |
| 15:13.58 | themill | vnWrK: ^^ |
| 15:13.59 | vnWrK | yea I saw |
| 15:14.08 | vnWrK | wondered if there were more |
| 15:14.14 | alex^^^ | xor |
| 15:14.18 | alex^^^ | g |
| 15:14.55 | Ronin | vnWrK: and theres qmail-src only indebian due to licensing |
| 15:15.17 | kspath | alex^^^: just a sec, I will put my old xfree86 and xorg 3 head configs online and give you the link to them |
| 15:15.26 | themill | vnWrK: btw you don't need all 7 of those .ca mirrors. One of them should be enough. Also, add non-free to the end of the deb line if you want non-free software. And add a security line as advised. |
| 15:15.28 | vnWrK | yea I know...but smarden has some sarge sources |
| 15:15.36 | alex^^^ | kspath, thanks ^^# |
| 15:15.55 | kspath | alex^^^: they are using three VGAs and 3 screens labelled left center right |
| 15:15.55 | vnWrK | non-free software, ain't that warez? |
| 15:15.59 | Ronin | vnWrK: no |
| 15:16.01 | iNToIT | hi |
| 15:16.09 | themill | !tell vnWrK about non-free |
| 15:16.18 | alex^^^ | ok |
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| 15:17.51 | cast | petemc: a simple example i can think of is you start your backup operation, lets say on /, and while its running a program gets installed just as its finished copying /bin, it continues backing up the rest of the system. but now the package management is in a inconsistant state in the backup as it says XYZ is installed but the binary in /bin is missing. i think open files present another challenge, maybe somethings writing out a copy of its db to disk ... |
| 15:17.51 | cast | ... and you back up the db when its halfway through this write operation and get something thats incoherent |
| 15:18.25 | cast | but ive never had the problem either, tar warns me about irc lgos but thats it. i can imagine it being rare, since the chance of it happening to something important is small, and the chance of needing a backup is small, so small^2 is really small |
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| 15:19.01 | themill | petemc: databases are particularly bad for "live" backups. You would easily get the db in an inconsistent state because of a non-atomic copy. |
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| 15:20.04 | themill | cast: I use rsnapshot to keep my laptop backed up twice daily. A couple of times a week I have maildir inconsistencies occur. They're not important for me so I can ignore them, but it happens very easily. |
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| 15:20.39 | rgr | Hi. I am having problems playing a commercial DVD. I was hoping someone could take me through some steps to figure out what the problem is. it is not a rip DVD - it is a purchased copy of Casino Royale. It is bought in Germany, and being played on European HW. |
| 15:20.44 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 15:21.03 | Ace2016 | i'm trying to install debain but both of my drives do not show up |
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| 15:21.14 | rgr | firstly, which player would you recommend? I always used mplayer before. |
| 15:21.35 | logd | hi everybody, i need your opinion: if i've to store personal photos & video in the safest way on a removable hdd what filesystems's better ? |
| 15:21.41 | Ace2016 | its a hp pavilion dv9000 with 2 drives, the vista drive shows but the empty one with just the knoppix iso does not |
| 15:21.53 | xand | logd: safest as in most reliable, or most secure? |
| 15:22.01 | cast | rgr: mplayer from debian-multimedia, and install the decss lib from the same place perhaps |
| 15:22.03 | relik | hello humans and humanoids, i have a small question. I installed the latest version of debian and changed the motd in /etc/motd. Every time when i reboot, the old motd will be displayed. How can i make sure the new motd stays the current motd? |
| 15:22.17 | logd | in most reliable or better say don't lose stuff even in extreme situation |
| 15:22.18 | kspath | alex^^^: almost ready another couple of minutes |
| 15:22.22 | cast | rgr: eh, oh. you know dvds are region coded right? |
| 15:22.30 | xand | logd: I'd use ext3... but you should make a copy elsewhere too |
| 15:22.30 | themill | rgr: I use xine or totem and you will need libdvdnav libdvdcss2 libdvdread3 from debian-multimedia |
| 15:22.33 | logd | don't need to worry about theft |
| 15:22.37 | cast | rgr: i don't know if all of EU is the same region or not |
| 15:22.50 | rgr | cast: did you read my Q? It is in the same region. |
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| 15:22.56 | petemc | themill: indeed, i do a dump of the database to back it up, which ive thus far had no problems with |
| 15:23.15 | themill | rgr: You may need to tell your drive what region it is before it will work at all. (Even if you then play things from a different region) |
| 15:23.15 | rgr | cast it is afaik. |
| 15:23.43 | themill | petemc: *nod* |
| 15:23.54 | rgr | hmm. mplyer crashes. Kaffeine is playing it though. |
| 15:24.14 | ziyax | where mysql saves it caches on debian? |
| 15:24.19 | cast | rgr: you're right, i read as far as german :) didnt intake the eu player part properly |
| 15:24.31 | rgr | :) no probs |
| 15:24.58 | relik | can someone tell me what mechanism updates motd every time i reboot? |
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| 15:25.57 | themill | relik: grep motd -r /etc |
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| 15:27.28 | vnWrK | LMFAO I just discovered vrms |
| 15:27.30 | rgr | rats. this is awful jerky video. sound pauses. groan. |
| 15:27.33 | relik | ah thanks |
| 15:27.34 | vnWrK | what a silly idea :p |
| 15:28.38 | logd | <relik>i guess it''s version fingerpint + motd.tail |
| 15:28.44 | themill | rgr: are you using framebuffer? there are lots of things to do to make the video work better. Don't know where the knobs for them are in kaffeine though |
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| 15:29.04 | themill | relik: problem solved? |
| 15:29.14 | relik | yes |
| 15:29.16 | vnWrK | woa...so much updates, thanks god |
| 15:29.29 | relik | i disabled that in bootmisc.h |
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| 15:29.50 | kumaran | hi, I have Fedora linux 5 LVM, I want to mount that in my Debian linux, how to do that? mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/fedora -t ext2 failed? |
| 15:29.57 | fasol | hello, why I;m getting http://pastebin.ca/721796 |
| 15:30.02 | kumaran | I tried ext3 too, it also failed |
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| 15:30.20 | kumaran | I get wrong fs type error. |
| 15:30.43 | cast | kumaran: if you're trying to mount an lvm volume then you don't mount the partition[s] the volume is on directly |
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| 15:31.11 | kumaran | cast: how can I access files found on that device? |
| 15:31.22 | vnWrK | is there a debian update for the very latest openssh vulnerability? |
| 15:31.43 | cast | kumaran: does ls /dev/mapper/ list anything? |
| 15:31.53 | kspath | alex^^^: http://www.spath.net/desktopwms/multihead-withxinerama.html |
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| 15:32.14 | kumaran | cast: I get crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 63 2007-10-01 16:26 control |
| 15:32.16 | cast | vnWrK: oh, how serious was it? |
| 15:32.27 | kumaran | cast: only that file |
| 15:32.49 | kspath | alex^^^: Did you disappear? |
| 15:33.12 | themill | fasol: did you disable mod_mime? |
| 15:33.21 | pickcoder | can someone else verify, on Etch, that Apache2.2 returns the major/minor version and the O/S when ServerTokens is set to "Prod" |
| 15:33.29 | kumaran | vnWrk: what is the latest openssh vulnerability, can you show the address wher I can find info about that |
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| 15:34.25 | pickcoder | meh.. never mind |
| 15:34.27 | fasol | anybody could help me please with http://pastebin.ca/721796 ? |
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| 15:34.34 | cast | kumaran: well, i don't know what to do here. things i'd try would be installing lvm2 and seeing if pvdisplay or pvscan find anything |
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| 15:34.44 | themill | fasol: did you disable mod_mime? |
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| 15:35.11 | kumaran | cast: thanks, I shall try so, now installing lvm2 |
| 15:35.45 | fasol | themill : don't know ( i don't think so ) |
| 15:36.02 | themill | fasol: a2enmod mime |
| 15:36.38 | themill | fasol: you can also use this to check your syntax: apache2ctl -t |
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| 15:37.32 | kumaran | cast: I installed lvm2, and for pvdisplay and pvscan, I get some info about /dev/hda4 (fedora lvm disk) |
| 15:37.45 | cast | awesome |
| 15:37.52 | kumaran | cast: what to do? If there is pastbin, I shall show past the result there for you? |
| 15:38.07 | fluxdude | does anyone know about that behaviour when daemontools programs stop responding to requests until their file descriptors are attached to something like you cat the process file descriptors? I have a broken service that will not run unless I cat it's file descriptors but it runs file from the cli... |
| 15:38.13 | cast | try vgscan and lvscan :) |
| 15:38.49 | kumaran | cast: yes, I see for all related info still for these commands too |
| 15:38.49 | fasol | themill : how can I reinstall by force? ( apache ) |
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| 15:39.06 | kumaran | cast: please give me the address of pastbin, there I shall show the result |
| 15:39.15 | themill | !tell kumaran about pastebin |
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| 15:39.27 | themill | !tell fasol about confmiss |
| 15:39.29 | vnWrK | ergh sory I misread its an openssl vulnerability heh |
| 15:39.31 | vnWrK | http://secunia.com/advisories/22130 |
| 15:39.58 | fasol | themill : http://pastebin.ca/721809 |
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| 15:40.25 | kumaran | vnWrk: thanks for info |
| 15:40.25 | logd | <vnWrK>the ubuntu patch doesn't work ? :P |
| 15:40.28 | kumaran | fasol: thanks |
| 15:40.33 | vnWrK | kumaran: np |
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| 15:41.13 | abrotman | vnWrK: taht's a very old advisory |
| 15:41.14 | kumaran | cast: here is the info http://pastebin.ca/721815 |
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| 15:41.39 | FastPutty | hi, i am with openvpn routed, i wonder if my routed vpn can get information from my domain controller active directory |
| 15:41.40 | FastPutty | thanks yu |
| 15:41.44 | kspath | abrotman: Do you think this might be useful? http://www.spath.net/desktopwms/multihead-withxinerama.html |
| 15:41.45 | vnWrK | abrotman: look at the "last update" |
| 15:41.57 | FastPutty | i have big network behind the ruted vpn |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | vnWrK: it's an off by one error .. it doesn't say if that's a security issue or not |
| 15:42.00 | harpal | how can I sound beep in my system |
| 15:42.22 | abrotman | vnWrK: ask the debian-security mailing list |
| 15:42.27 | vnWrK | kthx |
| 15:42.35 | kspath | harpal: ^G |
| 15:42.58 | kspath | harpal: ctrl-g AKA bell |
| 15:43.08 | abrotman | kspath: if it works |
| 15:43.23 | kspath | abrotman: if bell works or my configs? |
| 15:43.35 | abrotman | the configs |
| 15:43.39 | pickcoder | harpal: aptitude install beep |
| 15:43.52 | kumaran | cast: what to do? |
| 15:44.00 | kspath | abrotman: not tested with latest xorg but indeed test with xorg a lot |
| 15:44.27 | fasol | themill : any ideea ? |
| 15:44.30 | kspath | abrotman: I will do a fresh etch install and confirm latest |
| 15:44.49 | kspath | abrotman: I just need to dig out my 3 extra monitors UGH |
| 15:45.04 | cast | kumaran: somehow get the lv from inactive to active, hmm |
| 15:45.27 | kumaran | cast: how to do that? |
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| 15:45.36 | simonrvn | vgchange -ay |
| 15:45.44 | kspath | abrotman: obviously someone would have to replace their monitor and VGA in those configs |
| 15:45.50 | themill | fasol: if you're saying that you've not edited your config and that you're loading the mime module, then no, I've got no more ideas. Check the bts. |
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| 15:48.40 | abrotman | kspath: not obvious to me .. i'm not rich enough to have two monitors |
| 15:48.47 | kumaran | cast: now I did so |
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| 15:51.00 | cast | kumaran: dunno. mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /mnt/fedora, unless there's another step - simonrvn likely knows |
| 15:51.04 | kumaran | cast: I mounted it. |
| 15:51.30 | kumaran | cast: I just did "e2fsck /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01" and then the above said command (you said). |
| 15:51.47 | simonrvn | !lvm |
| 15:51.48 | dpkg | from memory, lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 15:51.58 | kumaran | cast: first I tried that only, but no files found. And then I tried e2fsck command and then executed the mount command again, I got the files then. |
| 15:52.05 | kumaran | cast: Thank you so much for the help. |
| 15:52.30 | simonrvn | that "almost as sexy as Theo" must be for the two-spirtited males or females in the chan, heh |
| 15:52.38 | simonrvn | spirited* |
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| 15:52.43 | jelly-home | !theo |
| 15:52.43 | dpkg | theo is probably Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD. See <www.theos.com>. |
| 15:52.47 | simonrvn | er, ", or" |
| 15:53.06 | simonrvn | !kill my typist |
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| 15:53.38 | Heavy-D | Hey everybody, Anybody have any links to guides on setting up a basic CourierIMAP and Postfix server (with or without SSL) on Etch? |
| 15:54.11 | simonrvn | you mean like, install, configure, restart daemon? |
| 15:54.22 | pickcoder | Heavy-D: tried postfix.org? |
| 15:54.39 | simonrvn | postfix doesn't do imap ;) |
| 15:55.09 | pickcoder | simonrvn: I guess you haven't tried it either |
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| 15:55.20 | Heavy-D | well I know there are separate documentation for both CourierIMAP and Postfix but I was hoping to get a combined guide |
| 15:55.30 | Heavy-D | pickcoder: You say postfix.org has one? |
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| 15:55.38 | fasol | when I try to remove a packages, everything goes wrong ( http://pastebin.ca/721832 ) |
| 15:55.46 | simonrvn | pickcoder: it's an mta dude |
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| 15:56.22 | pickcoder | and postfix has how-tos.. dude |
| 15:56.40 | pickcoder | http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
| 15:57.04 | Heavy-D | pickcoder: ok I see them, thanks very much ^.^ |
| 15:57.25 | pickcoder | welcome |
| 15:58.12 | simonrvn | not to be pedantic, but i fail to see how postfix has anything to do with imap, except deliver to an imapd in some fashion |
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| 15:58.59 | kspath | abrotman: it is moderately common for someone to have an old 13"+ monitor around and get a newer lcd monitor and use both together to get more desktop |
| 15:59.23 | abrotman | depends on the use |
| 15:59.25 | kspath | abrotman: it is not about wealth but rather using what you have. |
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| 16:00.14 | kspath | abrotman: I have heard about people picking up 2-5 old 17" monitors cheap and adding them to machines to give them two to three heads per machine |
| 16:00.29 | kspath | abrotman: good for admins and things like gimp or other |
| 16:00.54 | drako | kspath, is what i did and actually what i use |
| 16:00.59 | simonrvn | kspath: do they use one xserver instance, and two or more video cards? |
| 16:01.00 | drako | kspath, 2 old 17" on dual head. |
| 16:01.21 | Siddharta | excuse me i'm newbie for compiling from source , and i forget to compile with stow so i would like to uninstall the appsl but i don't know how to do |
| 16:01.48 | kspath | simonrvn: yes, one xserver and two or more VGAs else a single VGA card with two ports |
| 16:01.59 | simonrvn | ok |
| 16:02.11 | pickcoder | Siddharta: if the source doesn't have a Make target to remove all of the files, then you're in for a fun time of manual removal |
| 16:02.16 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 16:02.37 | pickcoder | Siddharta: plus.. the words compile and newbie shouldn't go together.. ;) |
| 16:02.56 | kspath | make clean ? |
| 16:03.03 | pickcoder | kspath: that removes the build files |
| 16:03.05 | pickcoder | not the install |
| 16:03.10 | simonrvn | that just cleans up the build area |
| 16:03.24 | Siddharta | pickcoder: this is the source of unixODBC |
| 16:03.29 | kspath | sorry, I was not reading it right |
| 16:03.51 | pickcoder | Siddharta: there is a debian package for it |
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| 16:03.58 | relik | jnj |
| 16:04.21 | Siddharta | yes that is an option |
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| 16:04.38 | Siddharta | that is why i want to uninstall the source |
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| 16:05.12 | lrp | hey how can i fix my X_? |
| 16:05.33 | lrp | i been here since this mornign seeking for help until now nothing to fix that trouble |
| 16:05.44 | Eulex | Growly, ok |
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| 16:06.01 | FolkLucas | Hello. I'm with a problem with my monitor resolution since I was updated my Debian Etch to Lenny. the xorg.conf file is correct, my monitor and his frequencys was recognized, my video card too, and his driver are on. the 3d aceleration is on too. I don't know what can I do, I always work with the 1280x1024 resolution, but now I have only 1024x768. somebody can help me? |
| 16:06.17 | lrp | you can check at pastebin.org/3851 |
| 16:06.26 | lrp | there is the log of my X |
| 16:06.33 | lrp | please help me out in here |
| 16:06.46 | lrp | im almust crazy in here |
| 16:06.56 | ziyax | themill: hi i've another problem |
| 16:07.24 | FolkLucas | my actual xorg: http://pastebin.com/fe2ca7df |
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| 16:07.47 | pickcoder | Siddharta: the debian source tree has an "Uninstall" target |
| 16:07.52 | pickcoder | try make uninstall |
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| 16:08.22 | ziyax | ok solved :P |
| 16:08.22 | lrp | any ideas ?? |
| 16:08.37 | lrp | plz :(( |
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| 16:09.23 | fasol | how can I remove php-sqlite3 ? I'm getting http://pastebin.ca/721844 |
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| 16:09.33 | lrp | any1 sow my paste? |
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| 16:09.42 | Ronin | lrp: patience |
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| 16:09.52 | dalias | seems lots of people are having troubles like folklucas' |
| 16:09.58 | simonrvn | lrp: that doesn't tell us what the problem is |
| 16:10.02 | dalias | is anyone familiar with it to help him? |
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| 16:10.25 | fasol | anybody could help me please? |
| 16:10.38 | jelly-home | FolkLucas: which card and driver? |
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| 16:11.22 | FolkLucas | jelly-home, Intel 945G on board. I use the i810 without problems in Ubuntu and Etch |
| 16:11.23 | dalias | fasol, i can't really cos i don't know apache |
| 16:11.23 | pickcoder | fasol: a2enmod mime |
| 16:11.23 | lrp | what i do you want me to show them ??? |
| 16:11.29 | pickcoder | fasol: /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
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| 16:11.30 | lrp | he sayd fatal error |
| 16:11.34 | patrick-- | Hi all. I'm new to linux and im maintaining some machines at work. Where do I find the configuration for the device mapper |
| 16:11.37 | dalias | but look in your apache.conf and see if there's something about the module |
| 16:11.44 | dalias | and maybe comment it out |
| 16:11.49 | jelly-home | !fixed |
| 16:11.49 | dpkg | methinks fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 16:11.56 | jelly-home | lrp: what dpkg said ^^ |
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| 16:12.08 | lrp | xorg is all ready installed |
| 16:12.23 | kspath | FolkLucas: only 1024x768 works correctly or 1280x1024 got removed from your configs? |
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| 16:12.30 | simonrvn | lrp: log file |
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| 16:13.19 | FolkLucas | 1280x1024 got removed |
| 16:13.23 | lrp | installed xfonts nothing happends |
| 16:13.41 | FolkLucas | 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480 woks correctly |
| 16:13.46 | FolkLucas | works* |
| 16:13.54 | fasol | pickcoder : http://pastebin.ca/721847 |
| 16:14.10 | jelly-home | FolkLucas: well, you might try switching to "intel" driver and see if it gets any better |
| 16:14.17 | pickcoder | lrp: dpkg said to install "xorg".. perhaps there's more than one fonts package in that meta package |
| 16:14.22 | kspath | FolkLucus: grep Modes /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 16:15.06 | pickcoder | fasol: that looks like a php module issue |
| 16:15.14 | pickcoder | I don't use PHP that much |
| 16:15.16 | fasol | pickcoder : first I need to remove that damm php-sql module |
| 16:15.30 | fasol | pickcoder : how can I do it? I'm gettin those errors and I can't |
| 16:15.33 | FolkLucas | kspath, lucas@debian:~$ grep Modes /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:15.33 | FolkLucas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.38 | pickcoder | fasol: a2dismod |
| 16:15.47 | pickcoder | it will list enaled modules that you can disable |
| 16:15.52 | pickcoder | ~enabled |
| 16:16.09 | FolkLucas | kspath, its the only mode I left in xorg, but the x only start on 1024 |
| 16:16.11 | kspath | FolkLucas: assuming that is the one your Xorg is using it should only be trying to do 1280x1024 |
| 16:16.22 | kspath | FolkLucas: odd |
| 16:16.42 | dalias | maybe xorg's detection is broken and it needs an explicit modeline? |
| 16:16.47 | jelly-home | FolkLucas: er, sorry. there's no i810 in lenny any more. which version of driver? dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-i810 xserver-xorg-video-intel | tail -2 |
| 16:16.58 | kspath | FolkLucas: Depth ? |
| 16:17.07 | lrp | now there is the paste |
| 16:17.07 | FolkLucas | 24 |
| 16:17.16 | jelly-home | dalias: that's what I'd think, DDC could have gotten broken for some reason |
| 16:17.19 | lrp | http://pastebin.org/3854 |
| 16:17.28 | lrp | there is the xorg log |
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| 16:17.58 | FolkLucas | jelly-home, debian:/home/lucas# dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-i810 xserver-xorg-video-intel | tail -2 |
| 16:17.58 | FolkLucas | ii xserver-xorg-video-i810 2:2.1.0-2 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
| 16:17.58 | FolkLucas | ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.1.0-2 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
| 16:18.10 | lrp | them??? |
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| 16:18.21 | fasol | pickcoder : i can;t install a module cos php-sql dosne't let me |
| 16:18.26 | pickcoder | lrp: did you "aptitude install xorg" ? |
| 16:18.30 | lrp | yes |
| 16:18.33 | jelly-home | lrp: you log is not complete (there's no beginning) |
| 16:18.41 | pickcoder | lrp: ok.. it helps to state when you make changes |
| 16:18.44 | fasol | pickcoder : http://pastebin.ca/721855 |
| 16:18.48 | kspath | FolkLucas: did you try making a backup copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071001 ? |
| 16:18.51 | pickcoder | else everyone will assume you haven't done anything |
| 16:19.00 | pickcoder | or done something we're not aware of |
| 16:19.03 | lrp | so? did you saw the log ? |
| 16:19.04 | kspath | FolkLucas: then do a dpkg reconfigure on xorg |
| 16:19.12 | pickcoder | lrp: yes.. I can't help you though |
| 16:19.44 | pickcoder | fasol: where did confixx_mhost.conf |
| 16:19.44 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.53 | pickcoder | stupid paste |
| 16:20.26 | pickcoder | a2enmod alias |
| 16:20.38 | FolkLucas | kspath, I did this lot of times |
| 16:20.44 | jelly-home | FolkLucas: that's the version from lenny all right. care to pastebin Xorg.0.log? |
| 16:20.49 | pickcoder | a2enmod cgi |
| 16:20.55 | lrp | there is the log |
| 16:20.59 | lrp | full log completed |
| 16:20.59 | fasol | pickcoder that;s confixxx ( a webpanel ) ( but can you help me remove php-sql ) |
| 16:21.13 | pickcoder | also enable negotiation |
| 16:21.15 | fasol | pickcoder : This module is already enabled! |
| 16:21.16 | lrp | pastebin.org/3855 |
| 16:21.43 | lrp | there is the complete xorg.log |
| 16:21.49 | lrp | now what ? |
| 16:22.22 | pickcoder | fasol: as long as apache won't restart properly, sqlite won't finish the install/removal |
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| 16:23.14 | Gge | Hi , which app are you using to open .zip file ? |
| 16:23.25 | lrp | gge unzup |
| 16:23.27 | lrp | unzip |
| 16:23.28 | FolkLucas | jelly-home, my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/f4c849b7a |
| 16:23.36 | pickcoder | !tell Gge about search |
| 16:23.43 | lrp | folklucas them did you saw the paste? |
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| 16:25.14 | simonrvn | lrp: do: |
| 16:25.18 | simonrvn | !drxx lrp |
| 16:25.18 | dpkg | lrp: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:25.23 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 16:25.29 | FolkLucas | lrp, yes, but I don't what do |
| 16:25.44 | simonrvn | lrp: select another monitor size, seems it's not working very well |
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| 16:26.06 | fasol | pickcoder : thanks, removed php-sqlite3 and apache is up |
| 16:26.21 | pickcoder | which module was unloaded? |
| 16:26.41 | lrp | folklucas ohh thanks for that answerd |
| 16:27.06 | jelly-home | lrp: grep -r '^fixed ' /etc/X11/fonts |
| 16:27.32 | Siddharta | pickcoder: that was ok with uninstall |
| 16:27.43 | Siddharta | but with the .deb |
| 16:27.48 | simonrvn | jelly-home: what makes you say that it's the fixed font? i missed something (lik part of the convo ;) |
| 16:28.00 | jelly-home | simonrvn: http://pastebin.org/3851 |
| 16:28.04 | Siddharta | tora doesn't offer me to connect to oracle db with odbc |
| 16:28.10 | simonrvn | ah 'k |
| 16:28.14 | fasol | pickcoder: another errro, /var/www/web1/html/.htaccess: Option FollowSymLinks not allowed here, referer: http://domain.tld |
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| 16:28.22 | pickcoder | Siddharta: you can compile the source from the Debian package and repackage it |
| 16:28.31 | FolkLucas | sorry if I said something strange, I'm brazilian and I'm learning english, so I can't write in engish very well |
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| 16:28.44 | Siddharta | i really thank you for your help pickcoder |
| 16:28.55 | pickcoder | fasol: you should probably pop in #apache and ask them |
| 16:29.06 | pickcoder | .htaccess is IMO a hack-around for anything |
| 16:29.26 | Siddharta | pickcoder: why do i need to recompile it if i have installed the package ? |
| 16:30.00 | jelly-home | FolkLucas: do you see those (II) intel(0): Not using mode "1280x1024" (vrefresh out of range) near line 429 |
| 16:30.03 | pickcoder | Siddharta: is the oracle connectivity a feature in the packaged version? |
| 16:30.42 | Siddharta | i don't know , i will look in package.debian.org |
| 16:30.44 | pickcoder | Siddharta: better yet.. which version of Debian are you using |
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| 16:30.53 | Siddharta | lenny |
| 16:30.56 | pickcoder | !info unixodbc testing |
| 16:31.01 | dpkg | unixodbc: (ODBC tools libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.2.11-16 (lenny), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 16:31.20 | juanmabc | hello, can I install packages as a normal user? like in /home/user/local instead of / |
| 16:31.25 | FolkLucas | jelly-home, oh, ok, I'm seing. |
| 16:31.31 | Siddharta | so ?? |
| 16:31.37 | kaje | I'm trying to figure out the IO mem addresses for a pci card.... when I do lspci -vvv it gives me d800, but I've never seen that format, only 0x0800, what gives? |
| 16:31.47 | pickcoder | 2.2.11 was released in 2005 |
| 16:31.51 | pickcoder | that's horrible! |
| 16:31.52 | kaje | does d800 stand for 800 (in decimal)? |
| 16:31.55 | FolkLucas | it's very strange, my vertical refresh is correct in the xorg.conf file, and in Etch is works right |
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| 16:32.01 | faemir | hi all |
| 16:32.10 | pickcoder | is it that unstable? |
| 16:32.11 | jelly-home | FolkLucas: I'd remove HorizSync and VertRefresh from xorg.conf completely, let X figure it all out |
| 16:32.24 | pickcoder | 2.2.12 was release in 2006 |
| 16:32.32 | pickcoder | !info unixodbc sid |
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| 16:32.38 | dpkg | unixodbc: (ODBC tools libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.2.11-16 (sid), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 16:32.40 | Akira65 | Hi |
| 16:32.50 | faemir | Anyone know something that will allow me to limit my upload/download on everything I do internet wise? |
| 16:32.50 | Akira65 | I need help. it's about apt and different ports. |
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| 16:33.02 | jelly-home | FolkLucas: the monitor seems to report its limits well in line 400 |
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| 16:33.12 | Siddharta | the source on the web site are very old too |
| 16:33.14 | Akira65 | It's possible to specify in /etc/apt/sources.list an http server with a different port ? |
| 16:33.15 | Siddharta | pickcoder: |
| 16:33.26 | Akira65 | like : deb http://HOST:PORT/dir ./ |
| 16:33.28 | Akira65 | ???! |
| 16:33.40 | jelly-home | Akira65: have you tried? |
| 16:33.52 | Eulex | Akira65, yes, if the server has an http server running on that port. |
| 16:34.02 | pickcoder | Siddharta: I can't help much with connectivity issues. Maybe there is a #unixodbc channel that can help. The version on lenny is 2.2.11 |
| 16:34.18 | Akira65 | jelly-home, yes, i've tried. It's not work |
| 16:34.25 | pickcoder | (and Etch and sid for that matter) |
| 16:34.28 | Akira65 | Eulex, you say it can work ? |
| 16:34.41 | jelly-home | Akira65: and eg. telnet HOST PORT does? |
| 16:34.45 | Eulex | Akira65, yes, if the server has a http server running on that port. |
| 16:35.08 | Akira65 | Eulex, ok, i'll try |
| 16:35.08 | Eulex | Akira65, you cannot just choose a port yourself and expect it to work. it has to be set up at server-side. |
| 16:35.11 | FolkLucas | jelly-home, kspath, lrp, I need get out now, very thanks for your help and attention, see you |
| 16:35.13 | FolkLucas | =) |
| 16:35.24 | DustyDingo | are ifup/ifdow scripts save to be run as a user with sudo? |
| 16:35.38 | Akira65 | Eulex, what's the syntax of the port ? :port after the host ? |
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| 16:36.10 | Eulex | Akira65, yes |
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| 16:39.22 | Joran | Hi all... running testing, is it possible to downgrade a package to -stable or -unstable? |
| 16:39.39 | themill | !tell Joran about downgrade |
| 16:40.01 | Joran | thanks themill |
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| 16:41.52 | rmaj | when I want to upgrade all packages, then apt/synaptc wants to remove k3b wtf O_o ? |
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| 16:42.29 | h3sp4wn | Joran: unstable would probably be a newer package - /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
| 16:42.30 | Joran | k3b probably depends on a specific rev of something that is upgraded |
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| 16:44.02 | Joran | well, right now I'm just trying to get something that'll join the domain :( I've removed samba (and -common etc) and enabled a -stable source and am attempting an apt-get install samba, which seems to be working, but we'll soon see |
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| 16:45.34 | Joran | excellent, it worked |
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| 16:45.55 | Joran | now, can I pin the version or whatever it is? what do I use for that? sorry, I'm an ex-redhatter |
| 16:46.00 | rmaj | Joran: so why cant k3b used the previous version of lib |
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| 16:46.28 | Joran | rmaj - probably the update has updated it lol |
| 16:46.58 | rmaj | Joran: so why k3b can't install also the older lib |
| 16:47.05 | GuHHH | whats a good soundcard (with full suport) for linux? |
| 16:47.27 | Joran | rmaj : because you've updated it and you can't have the older and newer installed at the same time. |
| 16:47.37 | rmaj | Joran: why not? |
| 16:47.41 | rmaj | even on windows I can have |
| 16:47.57 | rmaj | since like the windows 98 |
| 16:47.57 | themill | rmaj: that's called dll hell. |
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| 16:48.06 | Joran | hey, you know what, I offered an explanation, if you don't like it... |
| 16:48.14 | rmaj | themill: application can have own dll and dont depend on system ones |
| 16:48.26 | temp_ | After to install packages in the Debian saw apt-get, applicatory of the a the message segment fault and others also, because? |
| 16:48.26 | themill | *sigh* then go and use win98 |
| 16:48.37 | pickcoder | GuHHH: I've had no problems with any AC'97 based onboard audio. I haven't really purchased a sound card specifically for a Debian box. I run servers mostly. |
| 16:49.08 | pickcoder | temp_: pastebin the error log |
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| 16:49.41 | rmaj | themill: I just wonder why debian in this respect seem to have more trouble then acient windows even |
| 16:50.11 | Joran | aincient windows didn't come with nero for free did it? |
| 16:50.17 | themill | rmaj: wtf? since when does debian have problems with dll hell? |
| 16:50.49 | temp_ | pickcoder in /var/log/message ? |
| 16:51.06 | rmaj | themill: in some os I never have to uninstall program B to use program A, in debian quite often |
| 16:51.14 | pickcoder | temp_: the error you saw from apt-get |
| 16:51.18 | rmaj | I dont want to be complaining, but interested |
| 16:51.20 | themill | rmaj: such as.... |
| 16:51.24 | temp_ | cups/ kern.log.1.gz syslog.1.gz |
| 16:51.24 | temp_ | daemon.log kern.log.2.gz syslog.2.gz |
| 16:51.24 | temp_ | daemon.log.0 lastlog syslog.3.gz |
| 16:51.24 | temp_ | daemon.log.1.gz log-all syslog.4.gz |
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| 16:51.35 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 16:51.35 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 16:51.36 | rmaj | themill: to upgrade system I have to remove k3b |
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| 16:52.01 | rmaj | so appl A is new version is some application (dunno which one) and B is k3b |
| 16:52.02 | themill | rmaj: when running sid? |
| 16:52.06 | rmaj | on testing |
| 16:53.03 | pickcoder | rmaj: an application is only replaced if all of the related dependancies have been met by the new application |
| 16:53.04 | themill | rmaj: that shouldn't happen. If it does, then it's probably a bug. |
| 16:53.42 | rmaj | ok I found it: konqueror |
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| 16:54.55 | rmaj | konqueror 4:3.5.4-2+b1 ---> 4:3.5.7-4 causes: to be removed: k3d k3d-dev libogre5c2a |
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| 16:55.42 | Ryushin | I'm at a loss about why my tap0 doesn't come up on reboot and bond to my bridge. Can someone look over my interfaces and see what I'm going wrong? http://www.pastebin.ca/721895 |
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| 16:57.33 | themill | rmaj: k3d isn't in lenny. |
| 16:57.40 | themill | !why is k3d not in testing |
| 16:57.40 | dpkg | k3d is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3d |
| 16:58.03 | themill | rmaj: that would be why it's trying to be removed. It's not an install A get B removed problem at all. |
| 17:00.40 | rmaj | hmmm |
| 17:00.45 | rmaj | well ok |
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| 17:01.46 | gener1c | i cant find Mencoder in the lenny repos |
| 17:01.52 | gener1c | does it have a diff name? |
| 17:02.01 | gener1c | trying to install devede |
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| 17:02.43 | themill | mencoder is on dmm |
| 17:02.50 | themill | !tell gener1c about dmm |
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| 17:03.20 | lrp | hey im back |
| 17:03.26 | lrp | i was at lunch time |
| 17:03.33 | lrp | how about the xorg?¿ |
| 17:03.33 | rmaj | lets call the press |
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| 17:06.58 | shadfc | ive got a rsync problem... i'm trying to sync a set of remote directories to a local tree. I've basically got 'rsync -vr --include-from=... --exclude-from=... user@server:/remote/path/ /local/path' Now, every time I run this, it gets the same set of files, but they already exist on the local server |
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| 17:07.42 | gener1c | german mirror |
| 17:07.50 | gener1c | dustchland uber alles |
| 17:07.55 | gener1c | greets from israel |
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| 17:08.18 | gener1c | <themill>helped alot thanks |
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| 17:08.48 | bulio| | where is the apache2 logfile in debian? |
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| 17:09.14 | petemc | bulio|: /var/log/apache2/ , or whereever you tell it to log to |
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| 17:12.46 | bulio| | I'm having problems with my website |
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| 17:12.50 | bulio| | http://coyote-na.com |
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| 17:13.19 | bulio| | I tried installing subversion, webdav and libapache2-svn |
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| 17:13.27 | bulio| | it didnt work out right, so I removed it |
| 17:13.32 | bulio| | but now i cant access my site |
| 17:13.53 | bulio| | and the error and access logs arent showing anything funny |
| 17:14.00 | bulio| | could it just be a DNS resolve issue? |
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| 17:16.26 | lrp | hey how i can install all xfonts _? |
| 17:16.41 | richd | can someone help me out with this error while using aptitude? http://pastebin.com/d2ae55c27 |
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| 17:17.42 | abrotman | richd: lsattr /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 17:19.02 | bulio| | if I use the internal IP to connect to the site it works |
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| 17:20.07 | richd | abrotman: no such dir\file |
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| 17:20.33 | abrotman | is there a /boot/ at all ? |
| 17:20.46 | richd | abrotman: yes. |
| 17:21.05 | abrotman | is there anything in it at all ? |
| 17:21.07 | JacobH | Could anyone give me a hand with networking a debian and dsl box via a cross-over cable? I seem to be bogged down with routing issues (along the lines of "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable"). My aim is to use the DSL box as a sort-of thin client, rather than to share internet access with it. I think the problem might be mostly on the debian box which has a wireless internet connection as well as the ethernet port I'm using to network. Alternatively, |
| 17:21.07 | JacobH | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.08 | richd | abrotman: I think I figured it out |
| 17:21.09 | richd | yes |
| 17:21.21 | ma3x | is it possible to put --width 300 in some sort of .ps file so that next time I do ps, it automatically lists til 300 chars? |
| 17:21.25 | shao_lap | what codec do download for *.rmvb |
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| 17:21.34 | richd | i tried this the other day, and didn't clean up my initrd and vmlinuz and other files |
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| 17:21.51 | richd | abrotman: going to dell all that stuff and try again |
| 17:21.54 | richd | del* |
| 17:21.54 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:22.28 | GoAuLd | im installing debian right now but im confused about lvm2, can somebody explain the difference between logical partition, primary partition and extended partition please? |
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| 17:23.04 | petemc | JacobH: check dmesg when you plug the cable in, it should say link is up, then ensure the ethernet card of the debian box and the dsl box have an ip in the same subnet |
| 17:23.05 | FastPutty | someone could help me, i cannot ping from 10.0.0.6 to 10.0.100.6 which is another network |
| 17:23.14 | amphi | GoAuLd: extended partition is a hack to get round the 4 partition limit on PCs |
| 17:23.28 | abrotman | FastPutty: try #networking |
| 17:23.39 | amphi | GoAuLd: 'primary' partitions are the 'normal' 4 PC partitions |
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| 17:24.29 | ziyax | my apache2 doesnt wanna start :S |
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| 17:25.40 | GoAuLd | i have 1 - /boot 256mb = primary xfs, 2 - LVM primary 220 GB and 3 - 29.9 GB Primary fat32 then, is this correct? |
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| 17:30.54 | richd | abrotman: after cleaning up and trying again, I get http://pastebin.com/d785e980f |
| 17:31.09 | richd | and lsattr /boot/config... yields no file\folder |
| 17:31.18 | abrotman | ls -ld /boot/ |
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| 17:31.38 | abrotman | richd: if i were to guess .. i'd say someone changed permissions on /boot/ |
| 17:31.54 | abrotman | or attributes |
| 17:32.09 | richd | abrotman: when you chroot, doesnt that make you root for the minisystem? |
| 17:32.25 | abrotman | why are you in a chroot ? |
| 17:32.41 | richd | building a bootable flashdrive |
| 17:33.15 | ma3x | my laptop heats too much what should I do? I've got the feeling it's gonna explode |
| 17:33.22 | richd | abrotman: how else could i make one? |
| 17:33.23 | amphi | ma3x: what cpu? |
| 17:33.34 | richd | ma3x: chill pad is what i use... |
| 17:33.34 | abrotman | richd: i'm sure there are instructions out there |
| 17:33.38 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 17:33.38 | dpkg | usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 17:34.05 | ma3x | athlon 64 3400 |
| 17:34.14 | richd | abrotman: am using instructions |
| 17:34.22 | ma3x | richd, where do you get one in europe? |
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| 17:35.04 | ma3x | amphi, athlon 64 3400+ |
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| 17:35.21 | richd | ma3x: your guess is better than mine. (probly onlien and ship it to you?) |
| 17:35.28 | richd | online* |
| 17:35.51 | FordCortina | i've lost my virtual terminals (accessed thru control alt f1, etc) how do i get them back. ps- Al | grep getty shows the gettys |
| 17:35.53 | amphi | ma3x: dunn about that; perhaps using the ondemand cpufreq governator will help, if you're not doing cpu intensive stuff |
| 17:35.54 | FordCortina | ? |
| 17:36.04 | gener1c | is there a better way to take advantage of my duo core 2? |
| 17:36.32 | ma3x | amphi, I am encoding 2 home made movies to DVD |
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| 17:36.46 | amphi | ma3x: then you can expect heat ;) |
| 17:37.00 | ma3x | can it explode eventually? |
| 17:37.14 | GuHHH | lol |
| 17:37.15 | gener1c | i got duo core 2 |
| 17:37.18 | richd | ma3x: if you need it now, an icepack would do too (just dont cover any vents) |
| 17:37.20 | gener1c | 2ghz each core |
| 17:37.25 | gener1c | and im encoding only one dvd |
| 17:37.26 | GuHHH | watch out, u are carrying a bomb |
| 17:37.29 | gener1c | and listen to music |
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| 17:37.37 | gener1c | and 2 of the cores are at 100% |
| 17:37.57 | GuHHH | thats normal |
| 17:38.12 | richd | gener1c: encoding eats processors |
| 17:38.16 | gener1c | yeah |
| 17:38.18 | gener1c | but only one |
| 17:38.26 | gener1c | in pclinux only one was at 100% |
| 17:38.29 | GuHHH | no matter how many |
| 17:38.31 | ziyax | themill are u there? |
| 17:38.49 | gener1c | and +that for some reson when i run firefox aka iceweasele it takes 70% |
| 17:38.51 | richd | gener1c: was it possibly not taking advantage of the second cpu core? |
| 17:38.59 | gener1c | maybe maybe |
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| 17:40.06 | gener1c | it doesnt seem to go faster tho |
| 17:40.18 | gener1c | than im pclinux |
| 17:40.23 | richd | gener1c: haha, dang... |
| 17:40.27 | gener1c | hehe |
| 17:40.31 | GuHHH | u have to compile the kernel to support it |
| 17:40.42 | gener1c | humz |
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| 17:41.06 | gener1c | patch the kernel and recompile it? |
| 17:41.11 | gener1c | what patch? |
| 17:41.26 | GuHHH | i guess patching isnt necessary |
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| 17:41.29 | gener1c | wait i do have support for duocore sys monitor shows so |
| 17:41.31 | EricL | If I am building a package, and I have built version 0.08, how do I build version 0.09? Do I have to create a whole new directory structure? Is there a simple way to update it to 0.09? |
| 17:41.40 | GuHHH | just a new version, and enable dual cpu |
| 17:41.49 | gener1c | im running on lenny |
| 17:41.57 | gener1c | i didnt compile this kern tho |
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| 17:42.05 | gener1c | but its 6.21 |
| 17:42.13 | pickcoder | gener1c: uname -r |
| 17:42.40 | gener1c | look up ^.^ |
| 17:42.46 | GuHHH | i have a amd and a core2duo, all of them works normal, with no need of recompile |
| 17:42.57 | gener1c | its not 64 bit but its 6.21 |
| 17:43.08 | pickcoder | gener1c: I need the release name as uname shows it |
| 17:43.20 | gener1c | oh ok |
| 17:43.33 | gener1c | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 17:43.49 | gener1c | uname -a |
| 17:43.49 | gener1c | Linux sola 2.6.21-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 03:53:02 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:43.58 | Eulex | gener1c, you've got smp support there. |
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| 17:44.22 | pickcoder | keep in mind that the applications you're using were compiled as i386 opcode compatible |
| 17:44.35 | pickcoder | you could recompile the dvdencoder with 686 support |
| 17:45.08 | gener1c | isnt 686 the regular arch? |
| 17:45.16 | gener1c | oh |
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| 17:45.28 | gener1c | i thought it only matters when you move to 64 |
| 17:45.31 | gener1c | ok |
| 17:45.45 | gener1c | 64bit* |
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| 17:46.03 | pickcoder | you could gain a bit from moving to 64-bit |
| 17:46.04 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 17:46.29 | gener1c | ill gain 32 bits =) |
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| 17:46.53 | pickcoder | with encoding.. it could make a drastic difference |
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| 17:47.08 | pickcoder | so could recompiling the encoder to support all of the math goodies on 686 |
| 17:47.19 | gener1c | im just affraid that on 64bit i wont have all the proggies i like |
| 17:47.53 | ribasushi | anyone running the fluxbox WM on debian sid? After upgrading to gtk2 a request to maximize a window seems to take about a second, and I don't know where to report the bug |
| 17:47.56 | gener1c | just rebuild the .deb you say using dpkg would be enough as itll be the same as recompile |
| 17:48.00 | ribasushi | is anyone experiencing something similar? |
| 17:48.12 | pickcoder | gener1c: you will need to modify the Makefile |
| 17:48.20 | pickcoder | so you'll have to apt-get source the package |
| 17:48.28 | gener1c | ok |
| 17:48.32 | pickcoder | modify it, recompile it, rebundle it and then upgrade |
| 17:48.38 | thrashy | Not exactly a Debian specific question but I figured I'd asked it here. Is there a command where I can delete every file in a directory except one specified one which i want to keep? |
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| 17:49.06 | abrotman | ls | grep |
| 17:49.07 | ribasushi | thrashy: you can use find for this |
| 17:49.18 | gener1c | thanks alot <pickcoder> i really appreciate ur help |
| 17:49.28 | abrotman | or move the one you want to keep .. rm the rest .. then put it back |
| 17:49.31 | pickcoder | np. good luck with it |
| 17:49.46 | waspius | does anyone know why when i install an app or a game it does noy always showitself in the menu |
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| 17:49.52 | pickcoder | btw.. I'm 99% sure that amd64 has atleast a 32-bit version of all of the i386 packages |
| 17:50.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: i don't think so |
| 17:50.23 | pickcoder | abrotman: I haven't found a missing package yet |
| 17:50.28 | ribasushi | pickcoder: you mean they have flash now?! |
| 17:50.51 | FastPutty | wanna know if dhcp can go trough openvpn tunnel? |
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| 17:50.52 | pickcoder | let me look |
| 17:50.56 | FastPutty | somoene know if it does or not |
| 17:50.57 | abrotman | pickcoder: http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph2-week-big.png |
| 17:51.09 | pickcoder | swf-player is in amd64 |
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| 17:51.48 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's only off by a bit .. it's close |
| 17:51.56 | ribasushi | pickcoder: swf-player to adobe flash is like windows98 to etch, come on man :) |
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| 17:52.51 | pickcoder | erm |
| 17:53.03 | pickcoder | swf-player plays flash |
| 17:53.15 | pickcoder | it doesn't do shockwave |
| 17:53.25 | pickcoder | (I have no idea why it's called swf-player) |
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| 17:53.45 | abrotman | pickcoder: the flash extension is .swf IIRC |
| 17:54.26 | ribasushi | so fluxbox on sid window resize problems anyone? |
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| 17:55.58 | capiira | hmm hi anyone know where i can get more info about the incoming.debian.org ? |
| 17:56.14 | abrotman | what else would you want to know ? |
| 17:56.33 | capiira | when the packages join, policy etc. |
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| 17:56.46 | dondelelcaro | capiira: unless you're a developer, there's really not much to know about it |
| 17:56.56 | capiira | yeah i want to get into that |
| 17:57.02 | dondelelcaro | capiira: that's where packages go before they are installed into the archive and a mirror pulse is done. |
| 17:57.13 | capiira | simply understand more the path of a package in debian |
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| 17:57.54 | sf7 | can someone help me with a bizarre problem? http://pastebin.com/m21bd2e56 |
| 17:57.54 | capiira | i just noticed that few packages joined unstable and few don't |
| 17:57.59 | capiira | now i wonder why |
| 17:58.13 | sf7 | why does it say my file doesn't exist when it's in the pwd and executable |
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| 17:58.50 | capiira | i wonder if there is a policy/rule for incoming packages to join unstable |
| 17:58.51 | lux0r | sf7: special characters in its name? caps? |
| 17:58.53 | dondelelcaro | capiira: if a package has an existing version in the archive, it just comes in |
| 17:58.58 | capiira | and if there is a way to track |
| 17:59.04 | dondelelcaro | capiira: if it doesn't, it goes through NEW, and ftpmasters have to approve it |
| 17:59.29 | sf7 | lux0r: no (see link). its bogstandard |
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| 17:59.37 | dondelelcaro | (assuming its destination is unstable, t-p-u or e-p-u. |
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| 18:00.11 | capiira | and does exist a site to read about why approved and why not and track those unjoined packages? |
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| 18:01.05 | abrotman | capiira: you mean why a package might be rejected ? |
| 18:01.15 | capiira | yep |
| 18:01.21 | lux0r | sf7: try "sh qwcl.x11" |
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| 18:02.57 | dondelelcaro | capiira: see http://ftp-master.debian.org/ et al. |
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| 18:03.43 | capiira | thank you :D |
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| 18:05.23 | dmz | howdy, anyone know if there is a kernel with pae & xen support for a domU machine? |
| 18:05.46 | dmz | the kernel I setup all my machines w/is linux-2.6.18-3-xen-686 |
| 18:05.58 | dondelelcaro | dmz: those kernels are pae |
| 18:06.02 | dmz | sorry, linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 18:06.04 | dmz | hmm |
| 18:06.18 | dondelelcaro | dmz: the -xen kernels are pae; you can use the -xen kernel on the domU too |
| 18:06.31 | dmz | VmError: (2, 'Invalid kernel', 'xc_dom_compat_check: guest type xen-3.0-x86_32 not supported by xen kernel, sorry\n') |
| 18:06.40 | dmz | i need xen-3.0-x86_32p |
| 18:06.47 | dmz | it's not a pae kernel |
| 18:07.01 | dondelelcaro | the -xen kernel is pae, the 686-bigmem kernels are also pae |
| 18:07.08 | dmz | hmm |
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| 18:07.14 | dmz | i wonder why it's saying it's not pae |
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| 18:08.15 | dmz | how can I confirm it's pae when xen is saying it's not? |
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| 18:08.38 | dondelelcaro | dmz: by looking at the config for the kernel in /boot |
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| 18:10.20 | dmz | what's the kernel .config option? i'm searching for PAE but it's not seeing that |
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| 18:13.44 | dondelelcaro | BIGMEM |
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| 18:14.33 | wols | in menuconfig there is "High Memory SUpport" |
| 18:15.13 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's CONFIG_HIGHMEM that you want to look at |
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| 18:15.41 | dondelelcaro | dmz: and you should be able to use the same kernel for both the dom0 and the domU |
| 18:15.58 | dmz | the problem is i have an old debian box i had as a test xen box |
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| 18:16.10 | dmz | i've purchase a nice new big (dual cpu quad core, 32gig ram...) box |
| 18:16.18 | dmz | trying to convert stuff over.. |
| 18:16.35 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 18:16.39 | dmz | i'll try running kernel |
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| 18:16.43 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 18:16.45 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:16.58 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to sort out a possible irq clash on my hard drives? |
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| 18:17.04 | juso | I try to install sudo with apt-get and it say it wants to remove my kernel-image, why is this? this safe? |
| 18:17.35 | juso | It wants to remove these packages: base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:17.39 | _3yE_ | hello, i have a package which is "stuck" and doesn't uninstall (ubprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1). how do i force the removal? |
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| 18:18.01 | _3yE_ | i tried: dpkg --force-all -r gimp-data |
| 18:18.07 | _3yE_ | but it does the same. |
| 18:19.00 | Ace2016 | reinstall and then remove? |
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| 18:19.28 | _3yE_ | Ace2016, does not work either. |
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| 18:19.45 | abrotman | fix the postrm script |
| 18:19.52 | softwork | good ssl library for pidgin |
| 18:19.54 | _3yE_ | "same" problem, error in postinstall... |
| 18:19.56 | juso | I do a "apt-get install sudo" and It wants to remove these packages: base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 - Is this normal? Why.... |
| 18:19.57 | softwork | please |
| 18:20.14 | abrotman | softwork: uhm .. i think pidgin uses ssl ? |
| 18:20.21 | abrotman | !depends pidgin lenny |
| 18:20.25 | dpkg | pidgin: depends on pidgin-data (>= 2.2.0), pidgin-data (<< 2.2.0-z), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.13.2), libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.74), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.14), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.12-3), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.1), libpurple0 (>= 2.2.0), libsm6, libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6, ... |
| 18:20.26 | softwork | i compile but no ssl |
| 18:20.38 | abrotman | oh .. no idea if you're compiling |
| 18:20.50 | Ace2016 | is it a configure option? |
| 18:20.51 | hark | juso: you probably have stable in your sources.list, just check |
| 18:21.15 | softwork | SSL support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library. |
| 18:21.48 | softwork | !depends pidgin etch |
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| 18:21.59 | softwork | !depends pidgin lenny |
| 18:22.03 | dpkg | pidgin: depends on pidgin-data (>= 2.2.0), pidgin-data (<< 2.2.0-z), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.13.2), libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.74), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.14), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.12-3), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.1), libpurple0 (>= 2.2.0), libsm6, libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6, ... |
| 18:22.27 | SpeedyG | !tell softwork about msg the bot |
| 18:22.36 | softwork | ok |
| 18:22.43 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 18:23.00 | wols | sid pdigin doesn't depend on any ssl either |
| 18:23.15 | wols | does pidgin use configure? |
| 18:23.16 | juso | hark: yeah it says stable in sources.list.. sorry im unsure what that means... |
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| 18:23.49 | softwork | i compile in etch |
| 18:23.58 | softwork | and i need ssl library |
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| 18:24.41 | wols | softwork: answer my question please |
| 18:25.07 | softwork | what configure? |
| 18:25.16 | wols | a script named "configure" |
| 18:25.17 | Ace2016 | http://pastebin.com/d6a50aa64 <<< can someone help please, why does the second hard drive not start, is it because sata1 and sata2 have the same irq???? |
| 18:25.20 | softwork | i see tls: no |
| 18:25.25 | FuzzplugJones | i have an etch box that worked until i had to switch to a different mobo. the new mobo has an e100 nic built in, Debian finds it and loads the e100 module, but when dhcpcd runs, i get "ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device." I disabled it in the BIOS and stuck a card with a natsemi chip in... Debian finds it, loads the natsemi driver, and the same thing happens. |
| 18:25.28 | amirnepals | wha is the command for chkconfig --list in debian? |
| 18:25.31 | hark | juso: you're running sarge(oldstable), etch is currently stable now. change where it says stable to oldstable or sarge. |
| 18:25.38 | softwork | tls is ssl? |
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| 18:25.58 | wols | !tell FuzzplugJones about z25 |
| 18:26.05 | wols | softwork: yes. basically |
| 18:26.10 | ziyax | My Apache forces php sources as normal it is not interpreting it |
| 18:26.21 | softwork | i need this apt-get install libnss-dev libnspr-dev |
| 18:26.23 | FuzzplugJones | hm, never heard of that before, let me try... |
| 18:26.27 | softwork | thx works |
| 18:26.32 | wols | ziyax: is the php module for apache installed? |
| 18:26.41 | Optic | ziyax: is that the intended behaviour? |
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| 18:26.51 | abrotman | !rh tools |
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| 18:26.53 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:27.01 | lennyl | alo |
| 18:27.02 | abrotman | amirnepals: what does that do ? show running services ? |
| 18:27.03 | wols | rh? |
| 18:27.07 | Optic | red snapper? |
| 18:27.28 | lennyl | i have a .Z file and i'm not sure how to extract it. archiver said that the file type was not supported. |
| 18:27.29 | ziyax | yep its installed |
| 18:27.34 | _3yE_ | Ace2016, no, even if the whole world would share the same irq it woule not be a problem. :D |
| 18:27.41 | wols | lennyl: man compress |
| 18:27.42 | dalias | lennyl, uncompress |
| 18:27.42 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 18:27.45 | amirnepals | abrotman, yes i want to look the process which is on on run time? |
| 18:27.47 | wols | gzip might also work |
| 18:28.05 | abrotman | amirnepals: loook at your init scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ .. that'll get you started |
| 18:28.23 | Ace2016 | ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x30F8 ctl 0x30EE bmdma 0x30D0 irq 16 |
| 18:28.23 | Ace2016 | ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x30F0 ctl 0x30EA bmdma 0x30D8 irq 16 |
| 18:28.27 | lennyl | thank you |
| 18:28.31 | FuzzplugJones | i had a hard drive detection problem the other night and the answer was to pass some udev uid to grub... i'm not liking this udev stuff very much at all. |
| 18:28.32 | Ace2016 | The drives are identical and i see them both in vista |
| 18:28.52 | Ace2016 | but the second drive does not show up in the debian installer or knoppix |
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| 18:29.02 | _3yE_ | humm. |
| 18:29.04 | amirnepals | ok abrotman, so what happen if i want to add mysql at startup time |
| 18:29.06 | amirnepals | ? |
| 18:29.07 | FuzzplugJones | wols that worked, thanks. i really don't like this udev crap. |
| 18:29.08 | Ace2016 | ata1: SATA link up <unknown> (SStatus E7229F83 SControl 0) |
| 18:29.09 | Ace2016 | ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0) |
| 18:29.15 | abrotman | amirnepals: man update-rc.d |
| 18:29.28 | DustyBin | i feel like re-installing my server for something to do, its boring when everything works |
| 18:29.29 | Ace2016 | How do i get ata2 to link up like ata1??? |
| 18:29.38 | Ace2016 | lol |
| 18:30.02 | juso | hark ok change it, nd did an apt-get update, now I can't install any thing via apt-get it says.. "kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: Depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 18:30.07 | juso | Anyone have an idea on this? |
| 18:30.14 | Ace2016 | care to help me with my 2 hard drives in my laptop, only one shows, the other stays hidden, vista sees both |
| 18:30.19 | _3yE_ | hum... |
| 18:30.36 | wols | juso: install the initrd-tools then |
| 18:30.48 | wols | !tell Ace2016 about repeat |
| 18:31.24 | Ace2016 | repeat??? |
| 18:31.33 | wols | read the factoid |
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| 18:31.46 | wols | and learn not to paste in here |
| 18:31.55 | tarzeau | anyone plays bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 18:32.11 | wols | tarzeau: you? |
| 18:32.16 | zinx | i play gtetrinet.sf.net |
| 18:32.23 | ziyax | libapache2-mod-php5 its installed |
| 18:32.23 | ziyax | :S |
| 18:32.24 | tarzeau | wols: and 3 other dragons. we need more :) |
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| 18:32.39 | rhsanborn | has kde4 been rolled into stable ? |
| 18:32.42 | apeitheo | I'm doing apt-get update on a newly installed etch system, and it segfaults? wtf? haha |
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| 18:33.04 | wols | rhsanborn: no. and it won't be rolled in until the next debian becomes stable. around 18months probably |
| 18:33.06 | hark | rhsanborn: no /msg dpkg search |
| 18:33.07 | DustyBin | apeitheo: hardware problems |
| 18:33.18 | apeitheo | DustyBin: something with my hardware? |
| 18:33.36 | wols | apeitheo: either that you a fscked up update |
| 18:33.37 | DustyBin | test your memory with mem86 |
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| 18:33.51 | wols | oh. freshly installed etch |
| 18:33.54 | wols | then probably hw yes |
| 18:33.56 | hark | juso: did you install any other packages via apt-get with those sources recently? |
| 18:33.58 | rhsanborn | That's unfortunate. It's requried for a rather nice document viewer utility (okular)....the utility certainly isn't worth the hassle of setting it up manually or switching to test |
| 18:34.00 | apeitheo | wols: could it be something with the sources I chose/ |
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| 18:34.10 | webtech_m33 | has anyone played with web100 and ndt as a speedtest server on a debian box? |
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| 18:34.16 | wols | apeitheo: how could we know? we don't know your sources |
| 18:34.32 | hark | apeitheo: you can try removing /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run an update again |
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| 18:34.40 | ziyax | any solution? |
| 18:34.55 | amirnepals | how can i find which packages are install or not? |
| 18:35.22 | wols | grep -r -i php /etc/apache2/ |
| 18:35.30 | apeitheo | wols, hark, I narrowed it down to either my testing or unstable sources that I had in sources.list |
| 18:35.35 | DustyBin | amirnepals: dpkg -l |
| 18:35.53 | ziyax | hm ty |
| 18:35.56 | wols | apeitheo: please don't lie. a system with testing or unstable is not "freshly installed" |
| 18:36.09 | wols | apeitheo: dpkg -l ibc6|tail -1 |
| 18:36.12 | wols | what libc6 version? |
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| 18:36.19 | Platyna | Hi. |
| 18:36.24 | apeitheo | wols: well I didn't mean that necessarily -- I meant that I just installed it-- I didn't think putting extra sources in my sources.list file would cause a segfault? |
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| 18:36.35 | apeitheo | wols: didn't really see the connection, hence the reason I didn't mention it |
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| 18:36.42 | Platyna | I have build a custom kernel using make-kpkg...I did symlinks in /usr/include to proper headers... |
| 18:36.56 | wols | Platyna: why? |
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| 18:37.00 | Platyna | And I am getting PAGE_SHIFT undeclared errors. |
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| 18:37.08 | joenden | hi, i have just installed mysql server under debian. i have changed the root password. but now when im trying to connect i get error 1045 access denied |
| 18:37.14 | joenden | what to do? |
| 18:37.16 | lennyl | can i change the file manager so that it doesn't open a new window every time i click on a folder? so that it only uses on window? |
| 18:37.21 | wols | Platyna: you unpack the linux sources, you menuconfig it, you make-kpkg and done |
| 18:37.24 | tarzeau | lennyl: which one? |
| 18:37.32 | lennyl | i'm using gnome |
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| 18:37.40 | lennyl | default i suppose |
| 18:37.46 | maxamillion | joenden: you need to set it to allow access from the outside world |
| 18:37.49 | hark | lennyl: edit->preferences; look for always open in browser windows |
| 18:37.57 | Platyna | wols: Thank you for your incredibly useful input. But this is not what I am looking for. |
| 18:38.02 | joenden | maxamillion: but im trying to connect on localhost |
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| 18:38.14 | maxamillion | joenden: localhost != root |
| 18:38.15 | wols | !tell Platyna about smart questions |
| 18:38.31 | joenden | maxamillion: so where do i do that? |
| 18:38.35 | Platyna | *sigh* |
| 18:38.41 | Platyna | Yet another idiot. |
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| 18:39.00 | maxamillion | joenden: not entirely sure, i don't do much with mysql.... i'm actually in the process of learning |
| 18:39.09 | joenden | ok |
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| 18:39.29 | wols | joenden: from where are you trying to access it? from another servre or fomr the same? |
| 18:39.45 | joenden | wols: from the same, just on my localmachine |
| 18:39.53 | wols | how are you trying to connect exactly? |
| 18:40.04 | joenden | mysql -uroot -p |
| 18:40.08 | lennyl | thanks |
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| 18:40.15 | wols | whitespace after -u |
| 18:40.15 | joenden | then i enter the pasword, but i dont get in |
| 18:40.34 | joenden | wols: same result |
| 18:40.41 | wols | then your pw is wrong |
| 18:40.49 | joenden | how do i reset? |
| 18:41.13 | `nstuff | rm -rf /* and reinstall :) |
| 18:41.26 | wols | `nstuff: stop that! |
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| 18:41.33 | joenden | :-) |
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| 18:41.58 | `nstuff | lol he could handle it |
| 18:42.40 | wols | joenden: how did you change the root pw? |
| 18:42.41 | `nstuff | joenden, did u try your current root pass ? |
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| 18:43.51 | joenden | wols: just a second, i think i found something... |
| 18:45.22 | xand | `nstuff: the last person that suggested that got banned/k-lined |
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| 18:45.56 | wols | namit: the rm -rf thing. not the system root passw one |
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| 18:46.36 | `nstuff | ok i take my words back |
| 18:46.43 | `nstuff | sorry bout that |
| 18:46.56 | abrotman | `nstuff: you can get k-lined for doing that |
| 18:47.06 | namit | wols: k |
| 18:47.38 | wols | namit: sry :) |
| 18:48.24 | dalias | hey |
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| 18:48.44 | dalias | is there a way to make bash complete filenames with spaces/shellmetachars using "" quoting instead of lots of backslashes? |
| 18:48.54 | dalias | that's how it worked in bash 1.x and it was so much more legible |
| 18:48.55 | Ryushin | Does debian etch require grub now to install a kernel? |
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| 18:49.04 | abrotman | yes .. start it with a quote .. and then type a few chars and hit tab |
| 18:49.04 | Enverex | Is anyone else experiencing aptitude dying when you try and dist-upgrade with Sid? |
| 18:49.06 | wols | Ryushin: no. works with lilo too |
| 18:49.06 | tarzeau | Ryushin: no |
| 18:49.08 | Ryushin | I've been using lilo on this server. |
| 18:49.16 | dalias | abrotman, is there a way to make it always do that tho? |
| 18:49.19 | tarzeau | wols: or silo, palo, yaboot, milo,.. |
| 18:49.27 | abrotman | dalias: dunno .. ask #bash |
| 18:49.37 | wols | tarzeau: there is no platform except i386 |
| 18:49.42 | Ryushin | Well, I get an error when installing the kernel: The provided postinst hook script [/sbin/update-grub] could not be run. |
| 18:50.01 | Ryushin | I'll just edit the file postinst script. |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | Ryushin: look in your /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 18:50.06 | tarzeau | wols: http://packages.debian.org/grub says amd64, hurd too. and there's grub2 |
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| 18:50.15 | abrotman | there's probably a postinst and preinst hook |
| 18:50.18 | tarzeau | which does ppc too |
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| 18:50.41 | Ryushin | abrotman: cool, thanks. That is the problem. |
| 18:51.05 | tarzeau | someone's able to build funguloids on etch? |
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| 18:52.00 | Optic | moo |
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| 18:53.39 | wols | tarzeau: maybe you should read "smart questions" too? :) |
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| 18:54.19 | tarzeau | wols: why? i want a backport of funguloids, but i can't build the sid ogre on etch :( |
| 18:54.30 | tarzeau | and it's not on backports.org |
| 18:54.38 | wols | ever heard of such things as error messages? |
| 18:54.45 | elirips | [OT] hello. Does anyone know how I can change the language of a document in oppenoffice.org writer (oo from Debian Etch)? I've set the default-language to what I need, but whenever I open a word-document it has another default-language. Any ideas? |
| 18:54.47 | wols | much more productive to show them instead of asking what you did |
| 18:54.49 | wols | imho |
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| 18:57.35 | tarzeau | wols: http://krum.ethz.ch/ogre_1.4.4-2_amd64.build |
| 18:58.38 | wols | tarzeau: "CEGUI not available, Renderer will not be built"? sounds bad |
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| 18:59.05 | tarzeau | wols: i saw that. but how would i fix it? |
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| 19:01.07 | wols | tarzeau: apt-cache search cegui in sid. gives me half a dozen hits |
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| 19:02.49 | marcus_ | hello, I was wondering if there is any good program for keeping tracks of notes (school) in the debian repos? wonderful if a extension fo evolution is availible, thanks, hope it's ok I ask it here |
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| 19:04.19 | si-king | Hallo |
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| 19:04.59 | tarzeau | wols: i have the cegui dev and libs installed |
| 19:06.21 | tarzeau | maybe nvidia-cg-toolkit |
| 19:06.39 | wols | then check why configure doesn't find it? |
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| 19:08.27 | abrotman | marcus_: there are a few note taking apps |
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| 19:10.22 | si-king | apt: hello |
| 19:10.23 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 19:10.31 | si-king | apt: gateway |
| 19:10.31 | apt | well, gateway is The computer or device onto which the first hop needs to go to get out of your network. As you know a TCP/IP route uses many hops to get from here to there. |
| 19:10.34 | Ace2016 | !goodbyewindows |
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| 19:11.08 | Ace2016 | oh wait i remember, it was goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 19:13.04 | Ace2016 | Where do i get a more up to date version of the goodbye-microsoft installer? |
| 19:13.16 | Ace2016 | i want the version that installs sid |
| 19:13.24 | Ronin | Ace2016: no version does that |
| 19:13.27 | Eulex | no, you don't want to install sid. |
| 19:13.56 | si-king | It's sid! |
| 19:14.04 | si-king | He tortures toys! |
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| 19:14.27 | Eulex | and you probably shouldn't run sid or install sid the recommended way (installing stable (or maybe testing) and then dist-upgrading) if you even think about installing sid right away. |
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| 19:15.56 | yoshx | hello |
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| 19:17.33 | ziyax | hi , i wanna enable remote connection for some machines but mysql says "Can't connect to MySQL server" any solution? |
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| 19:17.54 | si-king | reboot! |
| 19:18.04 | Ace2016 | but the installer does not see the drive it needs to install onto |
| 19:18.08 | amirnepals | ziyax, you means you want to reboot |
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| 19:18.20 | amirnepals | to remote administration mysql database |
| 19:18.23 | Ace2016 | i tried knoppix and it also does not use the second drive |
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| 19:18.32 | ziyax | hm |
| 19:18.34 | Ace2016 | only the first hard drive seems to work |
| 19:18.39 | Eulex | ziyax, is the mysql server listening on the outgoing nic and not only on the loopback device? |
| 19:18.47 | abrotman | amirnepals: no he doesn't |
| 19:18.49 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:18.53 | Ace2016 | This is the dmesg: http://pastebin.com/d6a50aa64 |
| 19:18.55 | Eulex | Ace2016, then you get an etch installer with an updated kernel |
| 19:19.01 | Eulex | !etch 2.6.21 |
| 19:19.01 | dpkg | hmm... etch 2.6.21 is avaiable at backports.org - ask me about <bpo> |
| 19:19.04 | abrotman | ziyax: the mysqld in debian is configured by default to not accept connections over a LAN |
| 19:19.05 | Ace2016 | how? |
| 19:19.09 | Eulex | heh, that's not it |
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| 19:19.12 | ziyax | hm lemme check |
| 19:19.21 | Eulex | Ace2016, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 19:19.24 | ziyax | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 19:19.54 | abrotman | that's your loopback |
| 19:19.55 | webtech_m33 | has anyone played with web100 and ndt as a speedtest server on a debian box? |
| 19:20.05 | ziyax | yea |
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| 19:20.09 | abrotman | ziyax: look in your my.cnf |
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| 19:20.23 | abrotman | Eulex: now fix my javascript :) |
| 19:20.24 | amirnepals | ziyax, you need to connet ur mysql server from remote computer o rwhat |
| 19:20.24 | amirnepals | ? |
| 19:20.41 | ziyax | yea |
| 19:20.45 | ziyax | i need to connect |
| 19:20.53 | ziyax | coz i'm running gaming servers with login |
| 19:20.55 | abrotman | ziyax: i just told you how |
| 19:20.59 | ziyax | oki |
| 19:21.01 | ziyax | lemme check |
| 19:21.23 | Ace2016 | I'm not looking for the disk based installer, i want the vista based installer, the one inside vista |
| 19:21.39 | abrotman | so use the website |
| 19:21.49 | Ace2016 | http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/ << the one from there has an updated version, can't find it |
| 19:21.55 | amirnepals | ziyax, if you need what i understand is then you have to create a user allowing connection from any computer |
| 19:22.03 | ziyax | ok ok ty i forget bind address:) |
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| 19:22.08 | abrotman | amirnepals: that's not it |
| 19:22.15 | ziyax | i'm new at debbie sorry;p |
| 19:22.15 | amirnepals | ok |
| 19:22.16 | suwro | hello |
| 19:22.25 | Eulex | abrotman, no ,u :P |
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| 19:22.44 | abrotman | ziyax: for reference .. not all services in debian will listen on all interfaces by default .. mysqld is one that will not |
| 19:22.59 | abrotman | Eulex: thanks for nothin! |
| 19:23.15 | Eulex | abrotman, actually, I don't know javascript :) |
| 19:23.23 | suwro | i am having problems with monit and imapd - it seems i can't monit imapd - anyone can help pls? |
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| 19:23.56 | capiira | anyone have an idea how to switch to webkit in epiphany? |
| 19:24.16 | tarrybone | i have been led to believe i will be better off installing stable and then upgrading to unstable rather than installing unstable. is that reasonable? |
| 19:24.27 | logyati | hello, how do i add something to tasksel? i want to add some packages to debian default installation but when i change something in tasksel it says its corrupted :( |
| 19:24.43 | suwro | got the imapd monit settings - but when it check it say that monit is not running - |
| 19:24.46 | abrotman | tarrybone: if you have to ask .. no |
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| 19:25.17 | suwro | ive tryed: pgrep -x -u 0 -P 1 imapd but returns nothing - imapd is running tough! |
| 19:25.23 | tarrybone | abrotman: not sure what you mean; i would have called that a confirmation, not a question. but maybe you are meaning something i dont get, and being cryptic? |
| 19:25.33 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 19:25.33 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 19:25.40 | suwro | but it's under courierlogger... |
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| 19:26.36 | tarrybone | abrotman: oh, you are warning me off unstable? ty, but thats not my issue. i just want to know which ways of installing unstable are considered more robust |
| 19:26.43 | marcus_ | abrotman, sry for late reply, any specific you would recommend? |
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| 19:26.55 | abrotman | marcus_: uhm .. maybe tomboy .. not sure |
| 19:27.04 | capiira | ahh sid is not that bad :) i think that sentence is kinda exaggerated |
| 19:27.07 | abrotman | tarrybone: yes .. don't use it :) |
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| 19:27.18 | abrotman | capiira: so we don't have to answer your questions anymore ? |
| 19:27.49 | marcus_ | abrotman, something where I could put up subjects and then add notes and add pictures etc, something like notebook-gtk2, but working.. |
| 19:28.01 | abrotman | !info tomboy etch |
| 19:28.05 | dpkg | tomboy: (desktop note taking program using Wiki style links), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 609 kB, Installed size: 1821 kB |
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| 19:28.18 | abrotman | marcus_: i'm not sure if that's useful for you or not |
| 19:28.19 | capiira | i think first the user should define what kind of system he is setting up |
| 19:28.44 | rxKaffee | tomboy was resource sucking crap when I had it installed |
| 19:28.51 | capiira | server desktop then its ok to say sid is mega bad for an production server |
| 19:28.56 | tarrybone | abrotman: so basically, because you dont want to answer questions, you dont want to answer questions. so why answer questions? |
| 19:29.07 | marcus_ | abrotman, what do you mean? |
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| 19:29.21 | rxKaffee | capiira: I think its that he doesn't want to answer sid questions ;) |
| 19:29.32 | capiira | :) |
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| 19:29.51 | abrotman | tarrybone: i did |
| 19:29.54 | shao_lap | how to play *.rmvb? or rather, how to get realmedia codec? |
| 19:30.07 | capiira | btw. yet sid questions is future stable questions so :D |
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| 19:30.14 | abrotman | sid will never be stable |
| 19:30.20 | ameyer | abrotman: if debian's developers didn't want anyone using unstable, why do you let people? |
| 19:30.21 | Silvia | Hola! |
| 19:30.26 | Eulex | tarrybone, fyi, installing unstable directly is considered extremely risky. and if you don't know that, you shouldn't run unstable. |
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| 19:30.37 | abrotman | ameyer: i'm not a DD |
| 19:30.39 | ameyer | you release a development version, people will use it |
| 19:30.45 | capiira | but few packages of it maybe |
| 19:30.48 | abrotman | it doesn't get released |
| 19:30.51 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: the issue isn't with people using unstable, the issue is with how much effort is required to support people using it |
| 19:30.51 | Eulex | ameyer, sid is not released |
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| 19:30.53 | tarrybone | Eulex: in fact, i did know that, i wished to confirm it. thank you for answering my question. |
| 19:31.12 | ameyer | Eulex: it is, sort of |
| 19:31.17 | abrotman | tarrybone: you might have to go to testing first .. but you may not know until oyu try a direct etch->sid movement |
| 19:31.25 | abrotman | ameyer: no .. it's not |
| 19:31.33 | Eulex | ameyer, it is as released as code in a public cvs is |
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| 19:31.53 | blackbart | Is there a wrapper for mkisofs + wodim besides the burn package? It keeps telling me to insert blank media even though there is, and I don't like that there is no way to specify a device |
| 19:31.53 | ameyer | if they didn't want anyone to use it, it wouldn't be publically avaliable |
| 19:32.05 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: no, that's not how Debian works. |
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| 19:32.23 | capiira | i see debian not really as stable, testing or sid, i see it as packages |
| 19:32.25 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: almost everything we do is publicly available, even if you probably shouldn't use it. |
| 19:32.28 | tarrybone | is installing directly to testing considered risky as well? |
| 19:32.29 | logyati | please help me with my question guys |
| 19:32.31 | ameyer | and unstable's not that horribly bad... |
| 19:32.32 | logyati | about tasksel |
| 19:32.57 | abrotman | ameyer: are you volunteering to support all the sid users ? |
| 19:32.59 | Eulex | tarrybone, yes, but less risky. |
| 19:33.05 | ameyer | I mean, Ubuntu's based off stable, and it's usually stable enough... |
| 19:33.23 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: so is our stable release. |
| 19:33.24 | rxKaffee | more stable than etch infact |
| 19:33.31 | abrotman | and ubuntu isn't based on stable .. |
| 19:33.36 | tarrybone | Eulex, abrotman, etc: ty for help with that. i promise not to come crying for unstable support :-) |
| 19:33.43 | Eulex | rxKaffee, I doubt that |
| 19:33.44 | abrotman | tarrybone: just do your homework first :) |
| 19:33.46 | ameyer | erm, I meant unstable |
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| 19:33.59 | ameyer | temporary loss of brain function |
| 19:34.12 | capiira | just see it as packages :) |
| 19:34.15 | Eulex | ameyer, it was a long time ago that ubuntu was directly based on unstable. |
| 19:34.25 | abrotman | tarrybone: there are a few mailing lists you might want to subscribe to .. and also learn to use the BTS |
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| 19:34.50 | Eulex | ameyer, and in any way, packages in a released version of ubuntu have frozen versions. however, in sid, packages may change (almost) anytime. |
| 19:34.59 | capiira | unstable packages can join testing and maybe end in stable thats all |
| 19:35.03 | ameyer | it's not 100% unstable, but they apparently sync large portions of it from unstable during development... |
| 19:35.26 | neighbors | not debian specific, but if 2 disks are physically removed from a raid5 array, will the array simply not start but start fine when the disks are reattatched to the system? |
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| 19:35.41 | abrotman | neighbors: raid5 dies on two dead drives |
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| 19:36.07 | neighbors | it won't correctly assemble it self when the missing parts of the array become avaiable? |
| 19:36.18 | neighbors | I understand it won't function while the 2 disks are out |
| 19:36.27 | neighbors | my question is if all the data is lost forever |
| 19:36.31 | abrotman | i mean it doesn't have enough data with two missing to correctly figure out what is missing |
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| 19:36.34 | argentino2 | hello |
| 19:36.34 | neighbors | the drives won't be dead just removed |
| 19:36.56 | Eulex | neighbors, you're asking what happens when you put them in again? |
| 19:37.03 | neighbors | yes |
| 19:37.16 | ziyax | ok another problem apache does not wanna open virtual hosts :S |
| 19:37.47 | abrotman | neighbors: if the machine hasn't been trying to change the data .. it hsould work |
| 19:38.11 | neighbors | that's what I'm thinking too |
| 19:38.30 | logyati | hello, how do i add something to tasksel? i want to add some packages to debian default installation but when i change something in tasksel it says its corrupted :( |
| 19:38.46 | logyati | please, i cant find a how to for that |
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| 19:39.46 | abrotman | logyati: might be easier to make a virtual package |
| 19:40.06 | logyati | abrotman, and how do i do that? and whats that? |
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| 19:40.32 | Eulex | abrotman, you mean a metapackage? |
| 19:40.42 | argentino2 | hi |
| 19:40.58 | logyati | imagine if i want to add AMSN to default installation, for example |
| 19:41.05 | argentino2 | there r many sites i cant see or i ant use applications because of java script despite i have it enabled in galeon and weacel |
| 19:41.08 | logyati | can i do this using this metapackage? |
| 19:41.15 | hark | logyati: /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz |
| 19:41.28 | abrotman | or that |
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| 19:41.40 | Eulex | argentino2, you're sure that the problem isn't java instead of javascript? |
| 19:41.51 | argentino2 | Eulex, no |
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| 19:42.05 | logyati | hark, i've read it already |
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| 19:42.31 | argentino2 | Eulex, how can I know? |
| 19:42.45 | hark | logyati: ok |
| 19:42.46 | logyati | is it possible to do what i want? |
| 19:42.54 | asperon | what temperature monitoring tool should i use? ie, what works best with debian? lmsensors, healthd, hwsensors, mbmon, mbm5? |
| 19:43.05 | logyati | i want to learn how to use dpkg-divert to change the default tasksel |
| 19:43.18 | logyati | i cant find a good how to |
| 19:43.22 | marcus_ | when I try to build nvidia with m-a a-i nvidia it clames that nvidia-kernel-source was not found... I have installed the new package called nvidia-kernel-common, is it just the name I'm typing wrong? I'm using debian testing |
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| 19:43.57 | Eulex | argentino2, java provides so-called 'applets'. basically, a java application's window embedded right into a part of an html page. javascript does simpler things, like reloading pages, checking stuff inside the pages. java has no access to the page itself, while javascript can even modify the contents of the shown html page. |
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| 19:44.40 | Eulex | argentino2, basically, javascript is a scripting language for html pages while java provides a way called 'applets' that just 'embeds' a java application into a web page |
| 19:44.53 | argentino2 | Eulex, for example,there r websites with chats and buttonsand when I clidk it dont load,but anyway i have also java and also java script enabled, but still dont work |
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| 19:45.15 | leberkaes | hi together, i have the first 4 etch-cds as r0 and the rest as r1. So do I need all 3 update-cds to come to full r1 ? |
| 19:45.18 | Eulex | argentino2, how are you sure that you have java enabled and installed? |
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| 19:45.30 | argentino2 | Eulex, , i saw it in prefferences |
| 19:45.48 | Eulex | argentino2, javascript support would be included with the browser, while java will need to be installed separately. it will not be installed by default when you install debian. |
| 19:46.05 | abrotman | logyati: or show us the stanza you added to mess it up ? |
| 19:46.06 | argentino2 | Eulex, thnx |
| 19:46.17 | argentino2 | Eulex, u mean java,no java script,right? |
| 19:46.29 | ziyax | ok find problem ;p didnt enter other ips |
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| 19:46.52 | Eulex | argentino2, I mean exactly what I say, javascript support is included with the browser. while java support will have to be installed separately. |
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| 19:48.13 | argentino2 | Eulex, thnx |
| 19:48.47 | Eulex | argentino2, try installing sun-java5-plugin. it's in non-free. |
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| 19:49.23 | argentino2 | but im using stable |
| 19:49.50 | Eulex | non-free, contrib and main are sections of the archive. all debian releases have them. |
| 19:49.50 | tarzeau | is there an etch backport of g++-4.2 somewhere ? (not on backports.org, just checked it) |
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| 19:50.09 | leberkaes | hi together, i have the first 4 etch-cds as r0 and the rest as r1. So do I need all 3 update-cds to come to full r1 ? |
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| 19:50.19 | Eulex | tarzeau, want c++0x support? :) |
| 19:50.24 | abrotman | leberkaes: do you have an http source ? |
| 19:50.30 | tarzeau | Eulex: no just a working 4.x g++ compiler |
| 19:50.57 | leberkaes | abrotman, I downloaded (and burned) all isos |
| 19:51.28 | leberkaes | abrotman, Now I dont want do download _all_ update-cds if possible |
| 19:51.42 | abrotman | leberkaes: do you have http sources or not ? |
| 19:52.13 | leberkaes | abrotman, No I want to install the burned cds on a lot of diffenrent workstations _without_ internet-connection |
| 19:52.30 | abrotman | leberkaes: there should be one update CD |
| 19:52.45 | lindenle | can someone help me get HG alsa installed on my laptop? |
| 19:52.55 | abrotman | oh there are three .. wtf |
| 19:53.02 | leberkaes | There are 3 update-cds for t1: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 19:53.06 | abrotman | leberkaes: well .. there are three updates .. yes |
| 19:53.19 | abrotman | leberkaes: so you have to scan all your original r0 .. and then all the update CDs |
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| 19:53.34 | abrotman | leberkaes: you might find setting up your own apt repository to be useful |
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| 19:53.48 | abrotman | or using something like apt-cacher/apt-proxy/approx |
| 19:54.18 | leberkaes | As some kind of network-intern server for the installations? |
| 19:54.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:54.56 | leberkaes | The workstations have no internet-connection and most of them dont have any network-connection at all. I can only use CDs nothing else. |
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| 19:55.11 | abrotman | ah okay .. then yep .. you'll have to scan all three |
| 19:55.24 | abrotman | (or if they have DVD drives .. you might be able to use a single DVD) |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | leberkaes: is this a HPC ? |
| 19:55.39 | leberkaes | Do I need all 3, if only my first 4 CDs are r0 and the rest is already r1 ? |
| 19:55.46 | leberkaes | What is HPC ? |
| 19:55.52 | abrotman | leberkaes: that's not how it works |
| 19:56.08 | abrotman | those update CDs have packages that might be from any of the original 14 CDs or however many it is |
| 19:56.39 | leberkaes | They should have al updated packages, yes |
| 19:57.41 | leberkaes | So if I install updated software I have to put in the "old" and the "update"-cd ? |
| 19:57.51 | leberkaes | Or just the new cd? |
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| 19:58.28 | abrotman | you'll have to put in whichever it asks for |
| 19:58.38 | leberkaes | ;-) |
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| 19:59.28 | leberkaes | Well, if all necessary packages are updated I possibly have _only_ to put in the new cd... |
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| 20:00.46 | leberkaes | Do these Update-CDs always diff from the r0-Version? |
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| 20:01.48 | FordCortina | i just went totally ape shit on my system and i've lost of my X11 hierarchy. i don't have a backup... it was screwy to start with anyway... is there a way to get apt to gave me a basic hierarchy under /etc/X11 ? |
| 20:01.49 | abrotman | leberkaes: it includes pacakges updated since the r0 release |
| 20:02.01 | FordCortina | give* |
| 20:02.02 | Muffin | Hey, quick question: I'm gonna install debian on an imac that's a few years old; the boot CD ISOs are up at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/powerpc/iso-cd/, and...I can't tell whether it expects me to download 22 CD images are if those are version numbers and I should just download the latest. |
| 20:02.03 | abrotman | !tell FordCortina about confmiss |
| 20:02.13 | ma3x | I got a little java application, it stays in tray but when I minimize it I can't start it anymore from tray. why? |
| 20:02.18 | abrotman | Muffin: if you have broadband .. just use the first |
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| 20:02.39 | FordCortina | thanks abrotman |
| 20:02.41 | leberkaes | thanks, so the next update-cds for r2 _must_ be bigger than the old update-cds r1... |
| 20:02.58 | leberkaes | because they include all packages updated in r1 but not in r2 |
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| 20:03.42 | Muffin | abrotman: The first one will let me boot, partition, and load enough on that the system will be self-booting? |
| 20:03.58 | abrotman | Muffin: yes .. and you could use the smaller netinst if you wanted |
| 20:04.14 | abrotman | leberkaes: AIUI .. they'll be the changes from r1 to r2 |
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| 20:04.52 | Muffin | Really, I'm hoping for a cd that'll give me a system that boots by itself and lets me log in with a user account. Netinst requires downloading in order to be self-booting, right? |
| 20:05.05 | leberkaes | abroman: Ah, thanks a lot. I found no information about this stuff on the web |
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| 20:06.28 | GoAuLd | what are repositories for intel core 2 duo ? |
| 20:06.35 | GoAuLd | i want 64 bit |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 20:06.42 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:06.43 | GoAuLd | anyone please |
| 20:06.43 | Jabka | how can i overcome bug 444107 and install mysql-server-5.0 (clean install) ? |
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| 20:06.58 | GoAuLd | thans! |
| 20:07.14 | Jabka | sorry lost the link for the bug .. |
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| 20:07.21 | abrotman | !dbugs 444107 |
| 20:07.24 | dpkg | #444107:I[mysql-server-5.0] mysql-server-5.0: mysql fails to start on clean install; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:48:01 UTC |
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| 20:08.28 | Jabka | thnx abrotman .. |
| 20:08.53 | Jabka | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444107 |
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| 20:10.27 | sam281091 | hey can someone tell me how to install ./configure for ssh |
| 20:10.32 | abrotman | Jabka: maybe put a set -x at the top of the mysql package scripts to get a little more info |
| 20:10.42 | abrotman | sam281091: why compile it at all ? |
| 20:10.50 | \amethyst | sam281091: "Install ./configure"? |
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| 20:11.15 | Jabka | abortman the version ? 5.0.45-1 ? |
| 20:11.28 | mark__ | Is there a delete user command? |
| 20:11.34 | Last_survivor | Hello , i use "vesa" driver and i cant get 1200x800 work on my laptop despite deleting all modes except "1280x800" on my xorg.conf ? |
| 20:11.37 | Jabka | sorry abrotman |
| 20:11.44 | \amethyst | mark__: deluser |
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| 20:12.42 | Jabka | what do you mean by set -x at the top of the mysql package scripts to get a little more info |
| 20:12.48 | Jabka | in apt-get install mysql-server or /etc/init.d/mysqld srart -x |
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| 20:13.48 | Max_- | Where's the difference between using kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64, 2.6-amd64-generic or simply 2.6-amd64? |
| 20:14.19 | abrotman | Max_-: what are the full package names |
| 20:14.19 | infinity_ | can someone explain to me how processes resolve names to IPs in linux? because it seems that if the primary DNS server goes down while a process is running, it doesn't find the secondary until the process restarts. Is this normal? |
| 20:14.39 | Max_- | abrotman : put linux-image- before each name |
| 20:14.46 | abrotman | Jabka: there are scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ that relate that package .. one of those is failing .. figure out which it is (probably the postinst) and put a set -x at the top |
| 20:15.07 | sam281091 | i tried to isntall ./configure i got this message install: missing destination file operand after `./configure' |
| 20:15.07 | abrotman | Max_-: the last is a generic metapackage .. not sure about the other two .. but i'd guess the second is the same where the first is a specific package |
| 20:15.23 | abrotman | Max_-: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
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| 20:15.24 | Max_- | abrotman : I'm using expertgui installation and they're asking me to choose... |
| 20:15.42 | abrotman | Max_-: i'd choose the linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 20:15.51 | Max_- | abrotman : oh... the generic one is already highlighted... |
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| 20:15.59 | logyati | abrotman, i edited debian-tasks.desc, removed iceweasel line and added one to firefox... after that i made a postinst to remove this original desc and put the modified desc. then i got this error when i tried to install |
| 20:16.13 | Jabka | abrotman: thnx |
| 20:16.19 | streuner | dpkg, geeksmite abrotman |
| 20:16.31 | logyati | abrotman, i have the firefox packages... the error was something about debootstrap |
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| 20:16.50 | GoAuLd | what should i put in sources.list for amd64 packages? |
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| 20:17.01 | abrotman | GoAuLd: nothing special .. just like normal |
| 20:17.08 | cisa | i've got strange errors with xen on an etch-machine running linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 with a self-compiled 3ware module. the following shows up, if i'm running xm console $machineX: http://rafb.net/p/jJ8PzX14.html |
| 20:17.12 | dondelelcaro | GoAuLd: the architecture is figured out automatically. |
| 20:17.14 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 20:17.14 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 20:18.30 | sam281091 | ./make install: missing destination file operand after `./configure' |
| 20:18.42 | sam281091 | install: missing destination file operand after `./configure'* |
| 20:18.58 | streuner | show us the whole error in paster bot (paste.debian.net) |
| 20:19.07 | cisa | streuner: thanks |
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| 20:19.52 | streuner | fuck, s(he) just left :-) |
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| 20:26.06 | cisa | (down|up|?)grade from amd64 to i386 - is that possible? |
| 20:26.38 | tarzeau | cisa: no |
| 20:26.50 | cisa | tarzeau: so i have to reinstall the whole thing. |
| 20:27.09 | dondelelcaro | cisa: or just use a chroot or similar. |
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| 20:27.39 | cisa | dondelelcaro: it's about one LV I don't want to loose. |
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| 20:28.12 | cisa | reinstalling is not a big problem for me if i can reuse the logical volume with i386 |
| 20:28.22 | dakoo | is it better to have raid on top of lvm or lvm on top of raid |
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| 20:29.38 | dondelelcaro | generally you do lvm ontop of raid |
| 20:30.01 | apeitheo | I'm trying to set up apt pinning so that I can run stable and get packages from testing, and it's not working. It won't resolve dependencies when I do apt-get -t testing install pidgin |
| 20:30.01 | dakoo | dondelelcaro: nice, thanx |
| 20:30.44 | ziyax | ty guys for all your helps |
| 20:30.58 | ziyax | its my 1st time using debian and i really liked it |
| 20:31.10 | ziyax | this weekend i'll switch my all servers to deb |
| 20:32.18 | leberkaes | ziyax, what distribution did you use before |
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| 20:33.23 | Max_- | I really can't find the differences between generic and non generic kernels... >.< |
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| 20:33.41 | ziyax | well i'm specially using freebsd but on this machines my provider installed centos |
| 20:33.55 | ziyax | and yesterday stupd yum deleted evrything related to kernel |
| 20:33.58 | ziyax | even itself |
| 20:34.08 | Max_- | o.0 |
| 20:34.19 | ziyax | so my friends said why dont we use debian on this machine |
| 20:34.25 | ziyax | so i let them install |
| 20:34.31 | Max_- | I guess that's a good idea :P |
| 20:34.35 | ziyax | ;p |
| 20:34.43 | leberkaes | well, at the bsds I normally have more driver-problems than with linux. |
| 20:34.53 | ziyax | well its gaming server machine |
| 20:35.02 | leberkaes | And to be honest, I prefer GPL over BSD-licence... |
| 20:35.19 | ziyax | for my uni i'm using freebsd ;p |
| 20:35.38 | ziyax | well deb better than centos i'm sure for it |
| 20:35.51 | Max_- | :) |
| 20:35.52 | dalias | the thing is you need to buy hardware appropriate to your intended os |
| 20:36.10 | dalias | you don't buy gamer kiddie hardware for running bsd |
| 20:36.18 | ziyax | coz that stupid centos uninstalled everything i just typed yum uninstall openssl |
| 20:36.29 | leberkaes | If Linux is so fit, that I am not able to tweak anything better... Perhaps I change to something more claiming |
| 20:36.31 | ziyax | well dalias its server machine ;p |
| 20:37.02 | ziyax | anyway cya guys i need to go my mums bday party take care and thnx for helps |
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| 20:37.20 | Max_- | dalias : but my gamer hardware should run Deb good, isn't it!? :D |
| 20:37.46 | Max_- | gbye ziyax |
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| 20:40.10 | thelostbutler | hello folks how would install locale iso-885915 on a bunch of system in a non-interactive way |
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| 20:41.22 | dalias | thelostbutler, don't. the default is utf-8 for a reason. |
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| 20:42.36 | thelostbutler | dalias: this is a sarge install and locale -a shows only c and posix. the user for some reason wants that locale |
| 20:43.05 | dalias | ohh, sarge |
| 20:43.18 | dalias | i'm not even sure how sarge's method for setting up locales works |
| 20:43.48 | ma3x | I need some help with acpi. I disabled thermal, however some other part of acpi keeps shutting down my machine when it heats. do you know what is it? |
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| 20:45.35 | thelostbutler | dalias: i need to be able to specifiy the locales to select automatically via env variable than having to physically select the locales to install |
| 20:46.07 | dalias | well you'll need to talk to someone who knows sarge |
| 20:46.09 | thelostbutler | dalias: if i am not wrong there is a debconf option to specify and i can't remember what it is |
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| 20:47.53 | ma3x | is there acpi help chan? |
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| 20:48.11 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 20:48.47 | abrotman | thelostbutler: append the locale you want to the locale.gen file and then run the app that creates those |
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| 20:50.22 | ma3x | where can I get help (description) about the modules listed in .config file for kernels? |
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| 20:50.59 | sdubois92 | I am getting an Error 25 when i try to boot with Grub |
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| 20:51.07 | dakoo | make menuconfig , <HELP> |
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| 20:51.46 | IRCMonkey | Hi, has anyone encountered a problem with the delay option in mplayer lenny? |
| 20:52.03 | SlayerXP | IRCMonkey: yes, you have. |
| 20:52.04 | thelostbutler | abrotman: i need to first install the locales package on all systems since that package is missing. |
| 20:52.12 | abrotman | thelostbutler: good start |
| 20:52.16 | IRCMonkey | I do this |
| 20:52.19 | IRCMonkey | mplayer -delay 0 -ss 35 poids1dfGTEd.wmv </dev/null & mplayer -delay 30 -ss 35 poids1dfGTEd.wmv |
| 20:52.41 | IRCMonkey | and the sound is synchronised between the two instances of mplayer |
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| 20:53.50 | r-wolf | just installed gcc from the installation dvd, but my test doesn't compile: "gcc test.c" fails with error "/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file or directory" |
| 20:53.52 | thelostbutler | abrotman: but when i install that package, it prompts me for the locales to use, i don't want it to prompt me i just want the packages to go ahead and get installed. i did rtfm to find out that Dpkg::Options {"--force-confold";} is need in /etc/apt/apt.conf but i don't want to add it and then remove it . i was looking for a command line overide or how to specify the locales in the command line itself |
| 20:53.55 | sdubois92 | I am getting an Error 25 when i try to boot with GRUB, also i cannot boot from ANY disk. i tried ubuntu, gentoo and debian |
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| 20:54.35 | r-wolf | any ideas how to fix this? |
| 20:54.53 | \amethyst | there's a phone number in the whois info |
| 20:54.53 | wols | !b-e r-wolf |
| 20:54.53 | dpkg | r-wolf: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 20:54.54 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:55.07 | r-wolf | dpkg: thanks |
| 20:55.07 | dpkg | r-wolf: de nada |
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| 20:55.52 | gkiagia | sdubois92: 25 : Disk read error - This error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe or read data from a particular disk. |
| 20:56.24 | sdubois92 | i know that, is there anything i can do? |
| 20:56.44 | IRCMonkey | r-wolf: apt-cach search ld; then apt-cache policy with the package you found |
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| 20:58.25 | bjv | i need guidance in the debian way :| |
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| 20:58.46 | gkiagia | sdubois92: you have to know why disk read fails to be able to do something about it. if you cannot boot from any disk, then maybe there is something wrong with your disk setup or your mobo |
| 20:58.50 | Max_- | I select an ext3 partition, mounted as / for physical RAID device... during the installation.. then it says I can't complete because I have no more root partition... >.< I guess I'm better set the raid once everything's done? I don't want to make a / partition and another one just because the installation complains... !? |
| 20:59.10 | abrotman | thelostbutler: LANG=C command |
| 20:59.30 | bjv | dpkg -l gives the installation status of my problem-package as 'rH' |
| 20:59.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching gives the installation status of my problem-package as 'rH' |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | bjv: just ask |
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| 20:59.46 | bjv | & i want the package gone, |
| 20:59.48 | thelostbutler | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:00.04 | abrotman | bjv: dpkg -P <pkg> ? |
| 21:01.43 | bjv | seems to hang just like apt-get remove |
| 21:02.22 | bjv | ive let it sit for 10+ minutes before i quit |
| 21:02.30 | bjv | coughs up "subprocess post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)" |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | put exit 0 at the top of the postrm script |
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| 21:03.15 | bjv | where is the post-removal script? |
| 21:03.17 | cr3 | when I use dpkg, how can I preseed some of the values usually prompted for? |
| 21:03.31 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postrm |
| 21:05.24 | bjv | well that's a dirty hack :P |
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| 21:05.35 | bjv | the -P(urge) went through |
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| 21:05.47 | spiderpig | hello |
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| 21:06.42 | abrotman | bjv: if you like ... we can make it more difficult :) |
| 21:06.44 | leberkaes | hello spiderpig, nice name (its just *in* at the moment) |
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| 21:09.40 | gecko__ | Hi, I just installed debian and moved to unstable. The kernel was updated from 2.6.18* to 2.6.22*; now the boot process stops with the message telling me that /dev/hda3 haven't been found. Then it drops to a shell; there are no /dev/hd* devices; only /dev/sd* |
| 21:09.41 | gonzaloaf_work | hi ,I'm trying to mount a fs with sshfs, but I get this error: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 21:09.47 | gonzaloaf_work | any clue? |
| 21:10.11 | Bannerman | My system clock is very inaccurate (losing 30 seconds every 5 minutes or so) and I'm having some trouble with adjtimexconfig. Each time it returns a different value- 4346, 3480, 4363 sec/day. And it doesn't make my system clock much more accurate, if any. Can anyone help me? |
| 21:10.35 | gecko__ | Bannerman, new battery?! |
| 21:10.48 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: you need to be a member of group fuse |
| 21:10.49 | Bannerman | gecko_: my system clock, not my hwclock :) |
| 21:11.39 | Bannerman | my hardware clock is accurate, but my system clock is all over the place. |
| 21:11.41 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, I am |
| 21:11.59 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: what are the permissions on /dev/fuse ? |
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| 21:13.11 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, crw-rw---- 1 root root |
| 21:13.18 | abrotman | that seems wrong |
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| 21:13.40 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: are you using udev? |
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| 21:13.56 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, I dont know, what do you mean? |
| 21:14.11 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: dpkg -l udev is it installed? |
| 21:14.15 | abrotman | just assume yes? |
| 21:14.34 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, yes |
| 21:14.53 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, seems wrong why? |
| 21:14.55 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: there should be a line in /etc/udev/permissions.rules that says KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse" |
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| 21:15.13 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: because it is :) |
| 21:15.33 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, this files doesnt exist |
| 21:15.40 | gonzaloaf_work | file* |
| 21:16.08 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: what version of udev does dpkg -l udev say you have? |
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| 21:17.03 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, 108 |
| 21:17.19 | \amethyst | err, what version of Debian is this? |
| 21:17.34 | tarzeau | how can i find out which module creates /dev/audio ? |
| 21:17.49 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, excuse me, is 0.114-2 |
| 21:18.01 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: that file should definitely be there, then |
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| 21:18.29 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, if is not, should I create it? |
| 21:18.31 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: maybe dpkg -i udev --reinstall --force-confmiss |
| 21:18.45 | \amethyst | gah |
| 21:19.10 | gonzaloaf_work | \amethyst, ok thanks |
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| 21:19.50 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf_work: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.114.2_i386.deb --force-confmiss |
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| 21:25.27 | gonzaloaf_work | how do I umount a fs mounted with sshfs? |
| 21:25.56 | kelm | hi, just for test ;) bye |
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| 21:28.13 | kritical | Can anyone tell me how I can tell what version a package is in apt-cache? |
| 21:28.15 | progolferyo | I am trying to install a piece of software on my debian server. I know I need to install some additional packages and I am getting this error: Can't locate XML/LibXML.pm |
| 21:28.40 | dondelelcaro | progolferyo: you don't have libxml-libxml-perl installed |
| 21:28.47 | progolferyo | ahh |
| 21:29.00 | nunu | hi, I got a little problem when I split and convert and avi video file to an mpeg1. I always use "ffmpeg -ss 00:00:00 -t 00:45:00 -i input.avi -target pal-vcd ./output.mpg" but sometimes the second part of the video the audio is not synchrone with the video... even if I redo it a few times. how can I solve such a problem ? |
| 21:29.10 | progolferyo | is there a specific way to know that is the package I needed? I did a search for libxml, but i got over a hundred results? |
| 21:29.21 | progolferyo | thanks, btw, donelelcaro |
| 21:29.29 | progolferyo | dondelelcaro* |
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| 21:31.22 | themill | kritical: apt-cache policy <package name> tells you what version is installed; ls /var/cache/apt/archives will tell you what version you've got on your hard drive |
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| 21:32.34 | dondelelcaro | progolferyo: two methods; first, perl packages are always named libfoo-bar-perl from Foo::Bar, and second, you could use packages.debian.org to figure it out |
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| 21:33.40 | progolferyo | ahh. ok thanks |
| 21:33.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell progolferyo -about search |
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| 21:34.04 | dondelelcaro | progolferyo: what dpkg told you also has some more methods |
| 21:35.03 | progolferyo | ok cool |
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| 21:36.50 | progolferyo | Just one more question, so if it tells me it cannot find something like LWP/Simple.pm ... Should I do a apt-file search *** or what is the best way for that kind of search |
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| 21:37.14 | progolferyo | sine there are so many packages that have the words simple in them |
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| 21:38.29 | johnadsfsdfdf | anyone know of a way to easily get the ip address of a person who is reading an email sent to them... possibly by including a 1px image in the email and checking the access log (more user friendly though). I've got a client that skipped town, I don't know what city they went to but im fairly certain they still use the same email address |
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| 21:39.02 | johnadsfsdfdf | i know its not quite debian related, but the community in here has been quite helpful in the past |
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| 21:40.37 | lindenle | Is there a way to have koprganizer work with timezones |
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| 21:45.26 | Firestarter- | where does kmail store it's config files in a users dir. |
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| 21:46.52 | Guerin | Firestarter-: .kde |
| 21:46.55 | Guerin | or similar |
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| 21:48.16 | nhuisman | has anyone here used ucarp with debian? |
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| 21:48.23 | FordCortina | are downloads from debian ftp servers normally throttled to 20KBps? |
| 21:48.34 | nhuisman | i dunno but axel will fix that for you |
| 21:48.38 | Firestarter- | thank you Guerin |
| 21:48.46 | nhuisman | FordCortina: just install that and set it to 10 connections |
| 21:48.49 | nhuisman | that will max you out |
| 21:49.04 | nhuisman | pondering using carp with my debian virtual machines to get some failover |
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| 21:50.09 | FordCortina | nhuisman: can i use that with apt-get? |
| 21:50.22 | nhuisman | i think so |
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| 21:52.18 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 21:52.41 | fas3r | nobody use revocation for certificats .. ? |
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| 21:59.55 | spx2 | please tell me |
| 22:00.10 | mmlj4 | get another opinion |
| 22:00.11 | spx2 | how do I get a button with "Save Session" in start bar in KDE ? |
| 22:00.18 | spx2 | I really need to know |
| 22:00.25 | spx2 | I can't find any way to do it |
| 22:00.26 | mmlj4 | add it? |
| 22:00.34 | spx2 | mmlj4: uhm how ? |
| 22:00.40 | mmlj4 | um, i don't know |
| 22:00.44 | mmlj4 | but it can be done |
| 22:00.52 | spx2 | mmlj4: cut the crap please kthx |
| 22:01.14 | efaistos | no vlc in debian ? |
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| 22:01.37 | mmlj4 | you might try in #kdeusers or somesuch |
| 22:01.38 | Ronin | efaistos: testing i bet? |
| 22:01.44 | efaistos | yeah |
| 22:01.49 | Ronin | !why isnt vlc in lenny |
| 22:01.56 | nhuisman | efaistos: i see vlc in my apt-get cache |
| 22:01.57 | Ronin | fine be that why |
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| 22:02.14 | bluesceada | maybe echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:02.26 | Ronin | !why isn't vlc in testing |
| 22:02.27 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 22:02.29 | Ronin | there we go |
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| 22:09.00 | jelly-home | hmph |
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| 22:10.01 | themill | !beer jelly-home |
| 22:10.06 | themill | better? |
| 22:10.12 | Ronin | ohhh nice one dpkg |
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| 22:10.45 | themill | certainly beats the american muck dpkg often pours.... |
| 22:11.06 | jelly-home | appreciate the thought |
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| 22:11.49 | Ronin | themill: hey now the americans also make exellent brews |
| 22:12.05 | themill | just not often |
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| 22:13.14 | Ronin | themill: on the contrary, they have some outstanding micro breweries |
| 22:13.33 | themill | very true |
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| 22:14.35 | Ronin | speaking of beer, im off to the fridge to pull a pint from one of the kegs |
| 22:15.20 | themill | grab one for me while you're at it, will you? |
| 22:15.27 | petemc | sounds like a big fridge |
| 22:15.27 | Ronin | themill: done and one |
| 22:15.51 | themill | Ronin: just dcc it to me ;) |
| 22:16.16 | Ronin | petemc: hold 3 5 gallon kegs in it, outside i have another 3 ready to go in, in the storage room i have 5 5 gallon carboys ready to keg and another 2 madily bubbeling away |
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| 22:22.28 | Nazcafan | is it me or is icedove really slow to respond, even compared to iceweasel ? When I restore an icedove windows in gnome, it takes like 2 seconds to display all frames |
| 22:22.42 | claudio` | Uhm.. i'm able to open only few sites (exluding NetBSD.org, kernel.org, myspace.com, etc.). Does anyone have an idea of what could be the problem? |
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| 22:22.57 | abrotman | your nameserver is busted ? |
| 22:22.59 | claudio` | Everything did work properly since 1 hour ago |
| 22:23.07 | kanzure | Hey, anybody have suggestions on video editing software? |
| 22:23.12 | claudio` | abrotman: the names are resolved but i can't connect to the IP. |
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| 22:24.48 | claudio` | Is this an ISP related stuff? |
| 22:25.27 | themill | Nazcafan: tried restarting it? Looked at its memory usage in top? |
| 22:25.53 | abrotman | claudio`: can you "telnet www.blah.com 80" ? |
| 22:26.16 | Nazcafan | themill: it is kind of an overall opinion, I have been using it for a while, and it seems much slower than 1.5 |
| 22:26.23 | claudio` | abrotman: it wait the connection for ever |
| 22:26.50 | abrotman | claudio`: do other machines on your network work ? |
| 22:26.53 | claudio` | abrotman: with ``blah.com'' works indeed but if i try kernel.org, netbsd.org, myspace.com etc telnet wait forever |
| 22:27.00 | claudio` | abrotman: no, i'm on the gateway. |
| 22:27.10 | themill | Nazcafan: quite possible. Never used it myself but I find that's a problem with iceweasel... you eventually need to kill it and restart it to get some snapiness back into it. |
| 22:27.14 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 22:27.15 | abrotman | !ecn |
| 22:27.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, ecn is Explicit Congestion Notification - a TCP/IP feature which should be supported by the whole Internet, but unfortunately, some broken firewalls don't like it. To disable: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn . To disable permanently, echo net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf . See also http://p12n.org/kb/ecn.html; you can disable ECN via iptables selectively |
| 22:27.27 | abrotman | that's all i can think of |
| 22:27.36 | claudio` | abrotman: let me check |
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| 22:27.56 | Nazcafan | themill: mhhh, I have noticed a certain unstability with iceweasel, but not an unsnapiness |
| 22:27.56 | claudio` | abrotman: it's already 0 :\ |
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| 22:28.23 | Nazcafan | themill: iceweasel+flash, for the unstability |
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| 22:28.54 | abrotman | claudio`: can you traceroute to the site ? |
| 22:29.05 | claudio` | abrotman: what site? blah.com? |
| 22:29.13 | abrotman | any broken site |
| 22:29.36 | themill | Nazcafan: yes. and java doesn't seem to help either. And session manager stuff does chew memory. |
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| 22:29.59 | claudio` | abrotman: uhm.. indeed yes. i'm tracking netbsd.org |
| 22:30.13 | claudio` | abrotman: from the 7th hop i only get asterisks ;) |
| 22:30.15 | claudio` | abrotman: is it normal? |
| 22:30.22 | gecko__ | hi, dpkg-reconfigure just deleted my xorg.conf and the backup. How can I get a newone? |
| 22:30.25 | Nazcafan | themill: but iceweasel 2 seems ok, in termes of reactivity whereas icedove is way behing |
| 22:30.33 | abrotman | claudio`: it might be |
| 22:30.51 | Nazcafan | themill: I am considering using claws-mail, but I am waiting for it to get into testing |
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| 22:32.01 | claudio` | still asteristk at hop number 16 |
| 22:32.05 | claudio` | *asterisks |
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| 22:38.45 | simmerz | my debian box has an skge network card. for some reason after about a day or so, it decides to go to sleep, and I can't bring it back up without rebooting the box. any ideas? |
| 22:39.13 | linc | try a different driver? |
| 22:39.19 | simmerz | linc: like? |
| 22:39.25 | Guerin | simmerz: here's a nickel, go buy a realtek |
| 22:39.40 | Guerin | they're crappy, but they work |
| 22:39.59 | simmerz | Guerin: when the box was running gentoo it wasn't a problem. I installed debian for ease of maintenance and now it sleeps all the time. it's NOT the card |
| 22:40.19 | Guerin | simmerz: if it's not the card, then it's the kernel. |
| 22:40.22 | themill | !coffee simmerz's network card |
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| 22:40.32 | themill | that should solve it... keep it awake.... |
| 22:40.46 | simmerz | themill: :P I wish |
| 22:40.54 | themill | have you tried it?????? |
| 22:40.56 | Guerin | if your coffee resembles broth, you're making it wrong |
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| 22:41.16 | simmerz | Guerin: so what's wrong with the kernel? running the debian xen stock kernel |
| 22:41.16 | themill | Guerin: hmm... good point |
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| 22:42.04 | Guerin | simmerz: i don't know. I've never used that driver. When it sleeps, does removing the module and re-probing it work to wake it up? |
| 22:42.10 | simmerz | no |
| 22:42.14 | abrotman | simmerz: did you look at the driver docs ? |
| 22:42.15 | Guerin | mm, ugly |
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| 22:42.21 | Guerin | under gentoo, was it xen? |
| 22:42.29 | simmerz | then it decides to set up the nic as eth2. |
| 22:42.40 | simmerz | Guerin: no. I installed debian to make it easier to work with xen |
| 22:42.53 | simmerz | couldn't be bothered to cook my own kernels under gentoo for it |
| 22:42.53 | Guerin | simmerz: in that case I'll be blaming xen. |
| 22:43.13 | simmerz | abrotman: I haven't yet. where do they sit under debian? |
| 22:43.32 | abrotman | you'd need the source docs .. or google for "browse linux source" and use one of the sites |
| 22:43.37 | simmerz | Guerin: actually, I was running a dom0 and a half running domU for a while, so yes I was |
| 22:43.45 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 22:44.05 | Guerin | i don't know xen, but it does interfere a lot with kernel-space stuff |
| 22:44.33 | Guerin | so that's likely the only major variable between the kernels - unless they've got different versions of the driver or something |
| 22:44.41 | abrotman | simmerz: which driver ? |
| 22:44.46 | simmerz | abrotman: skge |
| 22:45.14 | simmerz | Guerin: I'm hoping it might just be a driver option |
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| 22:45.36 | abrotman | simmerz: it has a debug setting |
| 22:45.41 | nailix | Hello there |
| 22:45.50 | simmerz | abrotman: at least that will help to see what is going on |
| 22:45.50 | nailix | anybody there ? |
| 22:45.57 | nailix | i m not here to ask questions :p |
| 22:46.09 | Guerin | simmerz: perhaps it is. |
| 22:46.15 | nailix | well, what's the topic today ? |
| 22:46.19 | Guerin | nailix: /topic |
| 22:46.34 | dkr | nailix: helping people that do have questions |
| 22:46.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me get my wifi working? I asked in #ipw2100, but no replies |
| 22:46.51 | simmerz | abrotman: I'm looking at the docs. under networking, I see sk98lin and skfp, but no skge :( |
| 22:47.01 | nailix | drk : this is the common one we need some changes to feel happy :D |
| 22:47.14 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: m-a prepare ; m-a a-i ipw2100; then grab the firmware from ipw2100.sf.net and you're all go |
| 22:47.16 | abrotman | simmerz: look in the driver code also |
| 22:47.29 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: it works very well indeed (with the evil binary firmware) |
| 22:47.31 | themill | Guerin: he's using iwlwifi for a 4965 card |
| 22:47.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: I got a 4965 card |
| 22:47.37 | Guerin | oh. |
| 22:47.41 | simmerz | driver/net/sk* only shows sk98lin and skfp too |
| 22:47.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think I narrowed down the problem |
| 22:47.46 | Guerin | can't help you with that one, sorry. |
| 22:47.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I think it's the WPA that is at fault |
| 22:47.55 | nailix | ppl i have a topic suggestion !! |
| 22:47.57 | abrotman | simmerz: you could also ask ##kenrel |
| 22:48.01 | abrotman | ##kernel |
| 22:48.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: For some reason, when I connect, it thinks I'm using WEP |
| 22:48.05 | Guerin | nailix: don't tell, ask. |
| 22:48.05 | simmerz | abrotman: I'll do that |
| 22:48.32 | nailix | According to you what do linux miss to be as much used as windows for desktops |
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| 22:48.38 | abrotman | simmerz: i meant such as /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-5/drivers/net/skge.c etc ... |
| 22:48.47 | Guerin | nailix: marketing |
| 22:48.48 | abrotman | nailix: that has nothing to do with this channel |
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| 22:49.10 | themill | nailix: do you have a technical question about your debian box we can help you with? |
| 22:49.14 | simmerz | abrotman: yeah, but it's not in the source that I'm browsing. I'll download the xen source deb |
| 22:49.32 | nailix | abro : it's "debian " right , this distro was my desktop from many years right now , i d like to see it installed over all the desktop arround so that's why i wanna talk about this issue |
| 22:49.39 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: then try turning that off with iwconfig. |
| 22:49.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: So who do I ask about getting wpa working? :) |
| 22:49.45 | abrotman | nailix: this is a support channel .. not an advocacy channel |
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| 22:49.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: how? |
| 22:49.52 | nailix | i see |
| 22:49.54 | Mahdy | hi every body |
| 22:50.18 | abrotman | simmerz: uhm okay |
| 22:50.20 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: "iwconfig eth1 key off" would be a start. |
| 22:50.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 22:50.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | wlan0* |
| 22:50.34 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: if you want an unsecured wireless network. |
| 22:50.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't want an unsecure network |
| 22:50.53 | Guerin | nailix: why do you want to influence other peoples' personal choices? |
| 22:50.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | But one that uses WPA rather than WEP |
| 22:51.04 | simmerz | oh apparently it is in sk98lin |
| 22:51.10 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: does it work without WPA? |
| 22:51.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 22:51.26 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: so get it working without WPA first. |
| 22:51.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | And intentionally so; I don't want my network to be public |
| 22:51.36 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: for testing purposes only |
| 22:51.42 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: walk then run |
| 22:51.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Well I would, had I not lost the AP's root password :p |
| 22:51.48 | nailix | usually ppl are adicted to old habits , so they use whatever they find the first time, this didn't mean it's always the best choice |
| 22:51.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:51.52 | abrotman | simmerz: http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/net/skge.c?v=2.6.18 |
| 22:51.55 | Mahdy | i have a debian dvd that have many .deb file i want to copy all .deb file (in all directories) i can't do this job with gui's a simple command can help me thx |
| 22:52.00 | Guerin | nailix: so? Let people be. |
| 22:52.02 | themill | nailix: you are OT. |
| 22:52.07 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: words "factory reset" mean anything to you? :-) |
| 22:52.13 | nailix | well in samary i beleive linux need some promotion cause it's worthwhile |
| 22:52.21 | simmerz | abrotman: I couldn't find that! thanks |
| 22:52.22 | nailix | OT ? |
| 22:52.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: No idea how dd-wrt responds to that |
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| 22:52.36 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: liable spent hours with you getting this working... what did you do to break it? |
| 22:52.37 | Guerin | Mahdy: apt-cdrom if it's actually an official debian dvd |
| 22:52.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: apt upgraded network-manager :( |
| 22:52.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | And all of a sudden, it was broken. |
| 22:52.59 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: are you tracking lenny? |
| 22:53.04 | Mahdy | Guerin: i want just copy files |
| 22:53.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Sid |
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| 22:53.12 | nailix | but there are some issues , especially with 3D, gaming , multimedia software in general ... and so |
| 22:53.15 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: woah. |
| 22:53.28 | abrotman | nailix: GO AWAY |
| 22:53.38 | Guerin | nailix: so go fix them |
| 22:53.41 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: router have way to set them back to factory defaults |
| 22:53.55 | nailix | wonder why are u so agressive :p |
| 22:53.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Well, I don't know if it did, but it worked since liable made it work |
| 22:54.10 | simmerz | abrotman: I'm lost as to what I'm looking for in the code tbh |
| 22:54.12 | nailix | sounds like u ve been waiting for that the whole day |
| 22:54.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: I never actually used network manager, but it was installed |
| 22:54.17 | Guerin | nailix: we're not aggressive unless people are fucking stupid |
| 22:54.19 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: contact your support :-D |
| 22:54.37 | nailix | hummm it's relative |
| 22:54.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Hold on, I think I may have written down the root password of the router somewhere...brb |
| 22:54.45 | themill | nailix: you are noise on the channel. In case you've not noticed, we're busy with people who we can help. |
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| 22:55.10 | themill | nailix: plus, we're still getting over sunday. Please don't make this perma-sunday on us. |
| 22:55.21 | nailix | this is the best thing i heard today :p |
| 22:55.28 | jelly-home | wols: he has a custom linuxy firmware up. who knows what would a factory reset do to that |
| 22:55.46 | Guerin | nailix: yes, it is relative. ususlly we get less tolerant the more supit people are. I could express it in a formula if you prefer. |
| 22:55.53 | wols | jelly-home: if they can't remedy this, then dd-wrt is crap. QeD |
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| 22:56.13 | jelly-home | !lost dd-wrt root password :-) |
| 22:56.21 | wols | jelly-home: OT :P |
| 22:56.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, I found the password |
| 22:56.37 | nailix | i ve no preferences for that , i m asking u to try to understand what i mean |
| 22:56.48 | abrotman | nailix: please discuss this elsewhere |
| 22:56.56 | nailix | i m not native speaking so this may drive the understanding far away |
| 22:57.02 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: now you can ask dd-wrt guys what would happen if you had really lost it |
| 22:57.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Most likely a factory reset would've worked - I just never tried it, so I can't say for sure, that's all |
| 22:57.54 | nailix | well it's the first time i land here, i needed some adaptation though :S |
| 22:58.11 | abrotman | nailix: yes .. go somewhere else to babble |
| 22:58.47 | streuner | . |
| 22:58.55 | nailix | abro: try to keep busy answering ppl , such advices are not so useful for anybody , surrely not for me |
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| 22:59.30 | jelly-home | nailix: do you have a debian support question? |
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| 23:00.15 | darkapostrophe | Ok, connected via the wifi now |
| 23:00.17 | darkapostrophe | But without any encryption :( |
| 23:00.34 | nailix | jelly : not for now |
| 23:01.36 | darkapostrophe | Well, now we know that wifi works at all - now we just need to make WPA work |
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| 23:02.27 | spx2 | what do I use in xterm instead of ALT ? |
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| 23:02.50 | jelly-home | spx2: what's wrong with alt? |
| 23:03.07 | spx2 | well I'm in irssi in xterm right now |
| 23:03.14 | _Brandon_ | hi, i can't install ekiga on debian unstable because it requires libpt-1.10.10 but it's not available |
| 23:03.26 | spx2 | if I do alt+number as I would usually do to switch windows in irssi |
| 23:03.32 | spx2 | I get weird characters on my screen |
| 23:03.40 | ricky | You can try exc-number. |
| 23:03.42 | ricky | **esc |
| 23:03.44 | abrotman | _Brandon_: that happens .. it's called unstable .. might have to wait a day or two |
| 23:03.53 | darkapostrophe | themill? |
| 23:04.03 | spx2 | ricky: thanks :) |
| 23:04.04 | ricky | (Although I wouldn't consider it to be an ideal solution- I don't use xterm, though). |
| 23:04.10 | _Brandon_ | abrotman: ok |
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| 23:07.07 | simmerz | is there a newer xen kernel in sid? |
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| 23:08.06 | wols | !tell simmerz about search |
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| 23:08.37 | simmerz | wols: I'm looking on pdo and linux-image returns nothing for xen |
| 23:09.14 | darkapostrophe | Can anyone help me get wpa work? |
| 23:09.24 | darkapostrophe | I asked in #wireless but no answer |
| 23:09.41 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:09.46 | maddash | darkapostrophe: 'aptitude install wpa_supplicant *&& man wpa_supplicant' |
| 23:10.02 | darkapostrophe | maddash: Already installed |
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| 23:10.14 | darkapostrophe | maddash: As for the man page, I my mind can't decode it :p |
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| 23:11.25 | Wyzard | darkapostrophe: Consider using NetworkManager, which is a GUI for connecting to wireless (and wired) networks |
| 23:11.42 | wols | darkapostrophe: http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html |
| 23:11.42 | Wyzard | darkapostrophe: It takes care of the WPA stuff automatically |
| 23:12.25 | themill | Wyzard: darkapostrophe was using networkmanager until a sid update a couple of days broke the wpa. |
| 23:12.57 | Wyzard | themill: interesting... it's still working fine for me on my laptop |
| 23:12.58 | themill | darkapostrophe: you really should start tracking lenny rather than sid... that would make your life a lot more predictable... |
| 23:12.59 | wols | themill: if he's unable to fix his sid issues, he shouldn't run sid |
| 23:13.29 | themill | wols: *nod* I think it was the only way liable could get his 4965 wifi working at the time.... |
| 23:13.32 | wols | esepcially if he's incapable of learning when someone already shows him and solved the problem |
| 23:13.42 | themill | !seen liable |
| 23:13.42 | dpkg | liable <n=liable@pdpc/supporter/active/liable> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 14h 50m 18s ago, saying: 'neighbors: grub-install /dev/foo and update-grub are prolly what you want'. |
| 23:14.06 | themill | he's been hiding from me.... haven't seen him in yonks... |
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| 23:20.12 | catch23 | anyone here use xen and know how the domU instances get access to /dev/rtc? |
| 23:20.26 | simmerz | so why does pdo only return results for linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 for etch and sarge-backports? what happened to Xen in lenny and sid? |
| 23:20.46 | Greyscale | sleep good |
| 23:21.05 | simmerz | catch23: they don't |
| 23:21.17 | chinasky | i installed kde with konqueror and iceweasel everything is ok but the fonts are horrible, how can i fix this? thanks!! |
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| 23:21.48 | Guerin | chinasky: horrible is not somethingwe can fix |
| 23:22.07 | chinasky | ugly? |
| 23:22.50 | catch23 | simmerz: what is the proper way of setting time in domU? will xen handle that for me if dom0 runs ntpd? |
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| 23:23.30 | simmerz | catch23: I've not got to that point yet :( |
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| 23:23.32 | nico__ | hi |
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| 23:24.11 | simmerz | but yes, no reason why it shouldn't be able to sync with ntpd |
| 23:24.14 | catch23 | simmerz: so hwclock --debug still prints out an error on your domU instances then right? |
| 23:24.29 | catch23 | you can't sync with ntpd because it needs access to /dev/rtc |
| 23:24.39 | catch23 | if you try to set the time, it won't stick |
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| 23:25.10 | catch23 | ntp uses hwclock, and hwclock probably prints out nothing on your domU boxes |
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| 23:26.35 | catch23 | however, if you type "hwclock --debug" you'll see the real reason why it is printing out nothing |
| 23:26.39 | simmerz | catch23: i've not looked. I'm still trying to get my network card from dropping off the planet |
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| 23:28.02 | catch23 | simmerz: btw, as far as getting xen, i'd install it from source, easier and less bugs. just install mercurial and go from there |
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| 23:29.22 | nico__ | re |
| 23:29.43 | nico__ | is stable's default kernel supposed to have framebuffer enabled? |
| 23:30.03 | Guerin | yes, as a module |
| 23:30.06 | nico__ | because i'm trying to use it with mplayer and it complains about not finding /dev/fb0 |
| 23:30.28 | simmerz | catch23: why you figure that? |
| 23:30.31 | Guerin | nico__: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:30.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: why? |
| 23:30.54 | catch23 | simmerz: just from experience :) |
| 23:30.58 | simonrvn | abrotman: i get tired of hearing about cars |
| 23:31.01 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:31.35 | simmerz | catch23: heh. I did have gentoo installed on the box, and I'm half tempted again. I reinstalled debian for the simplicity! |
| 23:31.41 | themill | simonrvn: beats farting cows (or does it...) |
| 23:31.45 | nico__ | Guerin: what does it have to do with X? |
| 23:31.59 | simonrvn | themill: not really |
| 23:31.59 | themill | nico__: did you do it? |
| 23:32.07 | themill | simonrvn: heh |
| 23:32.15 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:32.23 | Guerin | nico__: the x config has a kernel framebuffer selector. THough that might just be for X, good point. |
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| 23:32.27 | nico__ | themill : what? the /msg? yup did it |
| 23:32.31 | simonrvn | i'll be back when the car talk passes :) |
| 23:32.49 | themill | nico__: and... |
| 23:33.30 | nico__ | themill : and dpkg told me about X, at what point i asked guerin what fb had to do with X :o) |
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| 23:33.56 | Guerin | nico__: it's probably as simple as loading some kernel module or other, and possible rebooting |
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| 23:34.08 | bulio | I installed cupsys on etch |
| 23:34.18 | nico__ | ok gonny try and find the right module :-/ thanks |
| 23:34.20 | bulio | and edited to cupsd.conf to contain Allow @LOCAL for the admin pages |
| 23:34.25 | bulio | but I keep getting this: |
| 23:34.35 | bulio | 426 Upgrade Required |
| 23:34.35 | bulio | You must access this page using the URL https://10.1.1.3:631/admin. |
| 23:34.42 | bulio | and that link times out |
| 23:34.45 | bulio | any ideas why? |
| 23:34.49 | nhuisman | bulio sec |
| 23:34.51 | nhuisman | i had the same problem |
| 23:34.52 | Guerin | bulio: possibly firewall |
| 23:35.01 | bulio | Guerin: internal network |
| 23:35.03 | nhuisman | nope, the new cups requires ssl for admin pages |
| 23:35.11 | sinizzl | how do i change my domain name ? |
| 23:35.28 | bulio | nhuisman: how do I install it? |
| 23:35.31 | bulio | I have openssl |
| 23:35.38 | nhuisman | trying to find the howto I used |
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| 23:35.45 | nico__ | anyone know what's the video chip in a macbook? can't find the info in dmesg :-/ |
| 23:35.53 | Guerin | bulio: just saying ... check nothing is filtering your packets, because that's usually the only cause of a timeout |
| 23:36.09 | nhuisman | um |
| 23:36.16 | nhuisman | Guerin: there is no timeout message |
| 23:36.24 | darkapostrophe | Guerin: Non-encrypted wifi works, but not wpa |
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| 23:37.35 | Guerin | nhuisman: then how does he know it timed out? |
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| 23:38.03 | nhuisman | oh sorry, but yeah sec i have the fix |
| 23:38.44 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 23:39.51 | simmerz | so anyone want to point me in the direction of a sid/lenny kernel for xen? I can't find any at all past 2.6.18 in etch. |
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| 23:39.55 | o2T7 | Should i expect an image installed on one machine to run fine on other machines's vmware? |
| 23:40.12 | themill | night all! |
| 23:40.12 | nhuisman | bulio: http://pastebin.com/d4ac7990f |
| 23:40.19 | nhuisman | the steps are named wrong but i think you get the idea |
| 23:41.35 | nhuisman | free_penguin: what are you talking about? |
| 23:41.41 | o2T7 | In other words, which is the fastest way of installing debian on vmware on win posessed machines? |
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| 23:41.58 | nhuisman | o2T7: win possessed nice :) |
| 23:42.23 | H2OyJaBoN | is removed mkinitrd-tools packages from lenny? |
| 23:42.32 | o2T7 | sorry, possessed* |
| 23:42.35 | o2T7 | :) |
| 23:42.41 | nhuisman | i got the idea |
| 23:42.49 | Wyzard | o2T7: The whole point of VMware is virtualization... yes, you can move a VM from one host to another, and it'll still see the same virtualized hardware |
| 23:42.50 | o2T7 | They don't want to partition discs |
| 23:42.52 | nhuisman | ex()RSIZE the demons |
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| 23:43.16 | Wyzard | o2T7: with the exception of the processor -- VMware doesn't virtualize that, so the software in the VM sees the real processor, but changing that doesn't really matter |
| 23:43.31 | o2T7 | fine, so all stations will believe that they have the same hardware than the first one. |
| 23:43.42 | o2T7 | great |
| 23:43.52 | Wyzard | o2T7: They'll all believe they have a VMware IDE controller, VMware video card, etc. |
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| 23:44.25 | o2T7 | ok, Would it be too much ... |
| 23:44.49 | o2T7 | I have been "teaching" the advantages of free soft and especially debian for some time, and |
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| 23:45.06 | o2T7 | it is a great oportunity to me because i will |
| 23:45.18 | o2T7 | keep the attention of about 20 students |
| 23:45.36 | o2T7 | Could you recommend me some "precompiled" directions for |
| 23:45.43 | o2T7 | conveting them? :) |
| 23:45.52 | Wyzard | o2T7: "converting" what? |
| 23:46.09 | Wyzard | o2T7: Install VMware, create a virtual machine, put a Debian CD in the drive, boot the virtual machine |
| 23:46.12 | o2T7 | Them, from win environments to debian or GNU/linux one |
| 23:46.17 | o2T7 | students |
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| 23:46.24 | themill | goodbyewindows.com |
| 23:46.50 | o2T7 | Wyzard: but the problem is that i should do that on almost 20 machines |
| 23:47.15 | o2T7 | So i had thought about putting a ready image on a server into the lan and making them download it |
| 23:47.18 | Wyzard | o2T7: or you could just install once and make 20 copies of the virtual machine |
| 23:47.31 | nhuisman | themill: exactly what I was thinking |
| 23:47.35 | o2T7 | themill: Thankyou, i'll take a look to it. |
| 23:47.36 | Wyzard | o2T7: though you might need to adjust each slightly so they have a different hostname or whatever |
| 23:47.49 | Wyzard | o2T7: and copy them by using VMware's "clone" feature so they get different MAC addresses |
| 23:47.55 | o2T7 | Yes, i'd have to do it, right |
| 23:48.13 | o2T7 | OK, i'm taking notes ;) |
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| 23:52.27 | karsten | They just happened to be handy. |
| 23:52.34 | stew | i want a tuba, they're just too damn expensive |
| 23:52.47 | o2T7 | juas |
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| 23:54.09 | boulbul | hi, i know that this is not the right room, but do not know where to go. I have just downloaded a torrent file, after few days of download I am asked for a password. is there any way to crack the file. the file has a rar extension. thank you for your help |
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| 23:54.42 | simonrvn | we don't do warez here. go away |
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| 23:55.42 | Xenguy | boulbul: discard it; that is all. |
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| 23:56.37 | spx2 | I've just installed my ATI gfx card driver from AMD's site and nothing seems to have changed |
| 23:57.00 | wols | spx2: we don't support that driver. ask ati/amd about it |
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| 23:57.11 | wols | at least not when you install it from their site |
| 23:57.30 | abrotman | stew: maybe there's a tubashare.com ? :) |
| 23:57.45 | simonrvn | 82.152.168.204 --> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 5492 |
| 23:57.52 | simonrvn | 82.in-addr.arpa. 7195 IN SOA ns-pri.ripe.net. ops.ripe.net. 2007100201 3600 7200 1209600 7200 |
| 23:58.25 | stew | simonrvn: what are you doing? |
| 23:58.53 | spx2 | wols: whos is "we" |
| 23:58.53 | stew | abrotman: i got herpes as a kid from sharing a tuba. no more |
| 23:58.55 | simonrvn | unassigned ip |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | stew: TMI! :) |
| 23:59.19 | wols | spx2: #debian. #debian doesn't support the nvidia or amd graphics card installer |
| 23:59.40 | stew | wols: if you don't want to help him, just stay out of it. |
| 23:59.54 | maddash | spx2: what exactly were you hoping to have changed? |
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