IRC log for #debian on 20071002

00:00.21spx2maddash: I was hoping fps woudl be higher because of hardware acceleration
00:00.38spx2wols: maybe there's someone around willing to help me
00:00.48o2T7Well, folks, good night everybody and thank you again
00:01.29maddashspx2: have you verified that you are indeed using the ati driver (fglrx, right?)
00:02.09spx2maddash: I've just installed it from their site
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00:02.13spx2maddash: amd site that is
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00:02.44spx2I get this from glxinfo
00:02.46spx2direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
00:02.56maddashspx2: you're most likely not using the driver. `lsmod|grep fglrx ; fglrxinfo`
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00:03.45spx2Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
00:03.50spx2display: :0.0  screen: 0
00:03.57spx2OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
00:04.03wols!paste
00:04.03dpkgPlease do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
00:04.04spx2OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
00:04.10spx2OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.1)
00:04.15spx2I've finished my pasting
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00:04.32sinizzlspx2: ur lacking nerd courtesy, lol :D
00:04.46abrotmansinizzl: you're lacking basic english skills :)
00:04.52sinizzlabrotman: probably
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00:05.08sinizzlabrotman: and you're lacking basic german skills. HAHA, i burnt j00 !!!!1
00:05.16abrotmannein ?
00:05.22_stokesanyone familiar with what mpeg encoder I need to use with kino for dvds?
00:05.33wols_stokes: mpeg2
00:05.47sinizzlabrotman: ja
00:05.48wolsuse mencoder. probably from debian-multimedia
00:06.02_stokeswols, cool thx ill check those out
00:06.26maddashspx2: the output shows that I was right (but do use pastebin.ca from now on to paste output >2 lines). pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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00:07.56_stokeswols, you dont happen to have marillat's repo url for unstable or etch handy do you?
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00:08.19sinizzlabrotman: where r u from if i might ask you ?
00:08.28wols!debian-multimedia
00:08.28dpkgfrom memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
00:08.37_stokesah
00:08.44sinizzlmaintenue par un konnard francais... kekekekek
00:08.53_stokeswols, thx i got it
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00:09.30rmajsometimes a key repeats itself way too many times... is it a known problem? with kernel or Xorg?  mainly for ctrl+something keys
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00:12.53geo-rgermaj: at what point? some keys? all keys? repeat themselves exactly the same number of times every time? any point where they don't? what kind of keyboard do you have? have you looked at the logs? do you know why it's repeating?
00:13.07geo-rgeand if those are not enough questions I have a LOT more
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00:13.19_stokesi still get this dynamic mmap ran out of room problem even after increasing the apt cache limit and running an apt-get clean
00:13.33simonrvnso increase it more...
00:13.44_stokesok lets see how far it'll go
00:13.52simonrvnor clean up your messy sources.list...
00:14.38simonrvnyour list is too big if you have to go mess with it in m4 ...
00:15.04geo-rgeit's not all that big, I just wanted to use/learn m4 in my own application
00:15.05mahergeo-rge: that's sick
00:15.29simonrvnthat's ok then
00:15.30geo-rgenono, it's cool... I don't have to apply some weird awk or sed
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00:16.07geo-rgewhen I want to change something, it's easy
00:16.37geo-rgerecently I wanted to get sources from sid and switch back
00:16.46geo-rgethe m4 stuff made that easy
00:17.10mahergeo-rge: baby jesus is blubbering
00:17.22geo-rgegoing back and forth from ubuntu to debian is also very easy
00:17.35geo-rge(oh, oops.... shhh...)
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00:18.39geo-rgeI'm running xen, that was easy too
00:18.55geo-rgebut not because of the m4 stuff :)
00:19.10sinizzlis xen still unfree ?
00:19.19geo-rgehmm
00:19.38geo-rgenot totally sure, but I thought I saw the kernel images in main
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00:19.54sinizzlapparently u dont even care:D
00:20.08stewsinizzl: xen is in debian
00:20.18sinizzlstew: schweet.
00:20.21geo-rgesinizzl: is that bad?
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00:21.08geo-rgeif you like, I'll throw a link at you to show what I do care about presently (but you won't like it)
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00:22.30sinizzlgeo-rge: i don't know.
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00:23.33geo-rgesinizzl: take a chance... or not :)
00:24.03DemonSpecterhow do I install Apache/PHP/MySQL so I can do web site design without having to upload it to my actual server to see if it works?
00:24.22geo-rgeif you don't respond that's sortof ok, but it would be cooler for you to say yes or no so that I don't have to think about it
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00:24.39DemonSpecterI forgot to setup Web Server during installation of Debian and can't recall the commands to install them
00:24.49geo-rgein any case I won't pass the link unless you say yes
00:25.00GuerinDemonSpecter: run aptitude and select the `Web server' and `database server' tasks
00:25.11dondelelcaroDemonSpecter: or just aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server;
00:25.12Guerin(i believe they're still called that)
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00:25.16dondelelcaro(and possibly php5-mysql)
00:26.40DemonSpecterthanks :)
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00:29.01rmajgeo-rge: any keyboard (tested buildin laptop and also 2 on usb).  If I press some combo like ctrl+somethin, then randomly (about 1 in 50 uses) the key repeats for random about of presses it would seem. Sometimes there are like 50-100 repeats, and application reciving them all is hanged on processing themm
00:29.07rmajlike firefox and ctrl-pgdown key
00:29.43rmajif I switch to other application, still the first application (say firefox) is processing all the keypresses (some times for minutes)
00:30.01rmajits like 50-100 evens are instantly queued for given application.. so I guess X bug?
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00:30.25dondelelcaroX or the window manger
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00:30.28Ezepqmail
00:30.32Sponzorwhere to check root logs? what commands whas typed like bash_history?
00:30.49maddashSponzor: /var/log/auth.log
00:30.50rmajdondelelcaro: it occures both on KDE and GNOME ; Im on debian testing
00:30.58dondelelcarocould also be issues with keybounce
00:31.03Dave2rmaj, I have no idea if this was ever an issue for Debian, but I know I've experienced plptools (Psion stuff) on other distros causing similar symptoms
00:31.21geo-rgermaj: hmm, the other day someone installing onto a dell desktop or server box had a usb kbd which repeated every keystroke, when he looked at his log he found that the keyboard got two usb connections
00:31.24rmajDave2: hmm I dont know what plptools are exacly..
00:31.37Sponzornotting there in auth.log only cron and etc..
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00:31.38geo-rgethis is obviously nothing like what you're experiencing
00:31.42rmajgeo-rge: most combos are processed correctly
00:32.13Dave2you probably don't have it installed, and so it's probably not the issue, then. Just thought I'd throw it out there in case.
00:32.26rmajdondelelcaro: so I guess I should file in a bug report?
00:32.48geo-rgeit would be nice to know how and why it's happening if you can dig some more
00:32.52rmajdondelelcaro: I observe this problem for quite some time, months probably
00:33.03rmajhmm
00:33.24geo-rgeand nothing stuck out?
00:33.35rmajactually I think I seen this before, but the efect was less strong
00:33.39rmajlike 5-10 repeats
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00:34.01rmajin between I changed kernel to newer; and I disabled tickless (didnt helped)
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00:40.54maddashwhoa
00:40.54Dave2hooray.
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00:46.29dutchfishhow can i fix a mbr after re-installing a NT partiton with partimage/partimagd with debian?
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00:48.09dutchfishi tried install-mbr but got only its prompt and when i select A and then the 1st partition it will boot. Bu tit will not autoboot without intervantion
00:48.12mo1991I use the firestarter frontend to setup my firewall.  It used to start automatically on dsl dialup but since I changed to using dhcp it doesn't startup on boot
00:48.18mo1991does work once I start it thou gh
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00:48.45mo1991does anyone know where I can find the log of why it doesn't start on bootup now - gives firestarter failed message on boot
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00:50.11aehello... i have a newbie question.... if i was to install debian etch but wanted to use apache2 (it ships with apache 1.3) would i need to install from source myself? whats the process for things like that with etch?
00:50.12wolsgiw dud yiz ebavke the network before dhcp?
00:50.17mo1991I have checked /var/log and could not find anything relating to firestarter or the startup services
00:50.22dutchfishdkr, i thought of that too, but this particular station (server NT) will not need debian
00:50.23wolsae: debian ships with apache2
00:50.28wols!info apache2 etch
00:50.31dpkgapache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
00:50.47wolsmo1991: where do you or did you start it from?
00:50.50aeok - sorry i was just going of  http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/
00:51.42aeby installing optional packages does it compromise the stableness of etch?
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00:51.45wolsae: apache2 is part of main. it's part of the normal debian, just like apache1
00:51.50dutchfishor, does anyone knows how i can set the right partition in the MBR to boot from? and set its time out?
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00:52.20wolsdutchfish: what software is in your MBR? normal fdisk bootloader from windows? grub? lilo?
00:52.32aewols: thanks for the info. i was a little unsure based on the debian site :)
00:52.39dutchfishwols, a MBR created with install-mbr from debian-etch
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00:52.49wolswindows fdisk uses the bootflag. the others use their respective config file
00:53.20wols!info install-mbr
00:53.42aljaberdebhelper, hi, my other nick which is unixwheel was banned form this channel, why?
00:53.53dutchfishwols, install-mbr -l /dev/sda reports 19 secs time wait how to set this?
00:54.22wolsdutchfish: where exactly is this install-mbr from?
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00:54.36dutchfishwols, debian etch repo
00:54.52wols*sigh*
00:55.39dutchfishwols, sorry i meant the package mbr with command install-mbr
00:56.08mo1991wols, it normally started as a service as it does with the standad apt-get install
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00:56.51wolsdutchfish: thereis a manpage
00:57.01dutchfishwols, it did fix so far that i can press on the prompt F or A (F) and then choose the partition number, but this wont let me do a remote boot of coarse
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00:57.17wolsmo1991: you might have to start it later than you did before. and are you sure it'S actually started?
00:57.34dutchfishwols, yup, i read it 20x over and over, but nothing about setting the default boot partiotion nor the time-out value
00:57.39wolsdutchfish: why did you use install-mbr? why can't you use grub in the mbr?
00:58.16dutchfishwols, i could but would be pointless in this situation
00:58.24wolswhy?
00:58.33wolsand you didn't answer my question
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00:59.16mo1991wols - it does not start on boot only if I issue a firestarter commnad - then it works fine
00:59.18wolsdutchfish: from the manpage: "-t <timeout>, --timeout <timeout>
00:59.29wols3 guesses what this is. and there are TONS of examples
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00:59.43dutchfishwols, sorry if i seam stubern, wich i dont meant to be. answer: it solved my problem so far that i can manually boot.
01:00.04wolsmo1991: then make it start. use the provided initscript or if that doesn't xist /msg dpkg rc.local
01:00.11Guerinhm, who's got a one-liner to sequentially append a number between 01 and 95 to a list of files? they need to be done in order, with file #1 getting 01 and file 95 gettsing 95
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01:00.55wolsdutchfish: read the manpage again. this time make an effort to understand it. -t <timeout>, --timeout <timeout> is prtty damn obvious, isn't it?
01:00.57dutchfishwols, this is strange, this is not in my (etch) manpage ... hugh...
01:01.10wolsit is in sid's here
01:01.19dutchfishwols, righty!
01:01.23dondelelcaroGuerin: rename 'BEGIN{$a = 1} $_=sprintf(q(%02d),$a++).$_' *; or whatever
01:01.39dutchfishwols, so in etch this param isnt suported???
01:01.45wolsbut just don't use this shitty thing and use grub or lilo whatever floats your boat
01:02.00dutchfishwols, mmm
01:02.00wolsnfi. for the last time: why did you install this crud?
01:02.11dondelelcaro(probably missing a semicolon after the BEGIN block, but you get the idea)
01:02.59dutchfishwols, i cant answer, at that time it seamed to be the simplest solution wich i used several times before and saved my bxxx
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01:04.23stiv2kAnyone here use a SYNAPTICS touchpad?
01:04.26dutchfishwols, 2nd, i had some bad expiriences with machines and grub when there is a 16mb fat partition at the start of the drive or disk-subsystem
01:04.50dutchfishwols, some vendors use this for extended bios options i suppose
01:04.56Firefishestiv2k: I have one on my laptop.  Are you referring to the external/usb/serial type/
01:05.10stiv2kFirefishe: no im referring to the ones that come standard on a lot of laptop
01:05.11stiv2ks
01:05.33dansushii remember a while ago, there was an applet/application in my kpanel that counted the incoming and outgoing traffic/uploads and downloads. Does anyone remember what i'm talking about and know the name of it?
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01:06.36dutchfishwols, no, in etch the -t param doe snot alter the time, but updating again the mbr with the -t option included does! weird stuff
01:06.59dutchfishwols, yes, fixed now, thx!
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01:07.29stiv2kFirefishe: is 'syndaemon' associated with it?
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01:07.56Firefishestiv2k: I don't know if it is or not.  Let me check my process table.
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01:09.36Firefishestiv2k: Well, I'm using the touchpad, but I don't see anything like synd or anything like it running.
01:09.40DemonSpecterugh, had to boot into Vista for a minute...I have a logitech headset (the one that came with the SOCOM game on PS2) and I couldn't get it to play sound through it although Debian detects the headset....I had it where I could hear myself talking in the microphone o_O
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01:09.46FirefisheWhat is your issue?
01:09.54D4N`I'll soon find out
01:10.31abrotmandansushi: probably just a network monitor
01:10.49dansushiyeah, but i forget the name of it
01:10.53dutchfishwols, if i dd the forst 255 bytes of a harddisk to a file, will this serve as a MBR backup?
01:11.03Guerindondelelcaro: cheers, something like that did the trick
01:11.11Firefishestiv2k: It looks like my mouse daemon is "kpsmoused"
01:11.45stiv2kFirefishe: yea, syndaemon i found it is what disables your touchpad while you type
01:11.52stiv2kso it doesnt mess up
01:12.02stiv2kFirefishe: what i want to know is how to disable the damn horizontal scrolling aswell
01:12.02Firefisheah, so it must be momentary?
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01:12.17Firefishewhat desktop you running?
01:12.27stiv2kFirefishe: openbox
01:12.57Firefishehmmm...I use kde, so the "kps..." thingy makes sense on my box, but I'm not familiar with openbox.  I've used fluxbox time and again.,
01:13.42Firefishestill, there should be some type of touchpad driver.  The synaptics touchpad probably has a gui of some type for x, or gtk, or something.
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01:14.10Firefishestiv2k: I'd suggest googling it and seeing what comes up.
01:14.19FirefisheI've found a lot of obscure gui's through google ;)
01:14.21abrotman!synaptics
01:14.22dpkgrumour has it, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse".  also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html
01:15.17Firefisheabrotman: thanks
01:16.58ameyerhaha... http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/01/235237
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01:23.10linux_joneswhat is the package name of the gnome sceren saver?
01:23.38abrotmanapt-cache search gnome screen saver
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01:27.13dansushiabrotman: any idea?
01:27.26dansushii'm pretty sure it's made by kde
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01:27.56abrotmandansushi: right click and add an applet .. browse through them .. or ask #debian-kde
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01:28.22dansushii already looked for an applet, so i'll go into that channel- thanks
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01:34.34Max_-I'm in aptitude... I selected some packages for installation and now I can't figure out how to go back to the "main window" of the application... ?!?
01:34.50Max_-if I try q, it wants to quit aptitude entirely
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01:35.51dkrthen you are at the main window
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01:43.05{{Booh}}I want to go in ISO-88591-1  Nobody can help me on ubuntu, nobody seems to know about utf-8 / iso-8859-1 at all...  Where the system take the "%/?"/? UTF-8 ?  I change /etc/environment, /etc/locale.gen /etc/default/locale and... when I try to execute DB2setup (installation of DB2) it needs iso but it detects utf-8 anyway...
01:43.39{{Booh}}I want my system in ISO!!! I don't care about utf-8
01:44.06ameyer!ubuntu
01:44.06dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
01:44.58{{Booh}}Even if I use Debian I will have the same issue anyway... and I have other Debian machine...
01:45.05epsilondoesn't wonder me if no ubuntu user knows what IDO-8859-1(5) is
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01:46.06strayBooh, mmmm i'd look (google) around for something to do with locales..
01:46.11CAP3004Hola
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01:47.07epsilonbuzzword for debian "dpkg-reconfigure locales", "localegen", add availabe "locale -a" in your .bashrc as LANG/LC_ALL vars...
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01:47.57Max_-dkr : im not; it's still the result of the search...
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01:48.17dkrMax_-: those two things are not mutually incompatible
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01:48.43dkrthe main page is a big tree of all the packages, the search takes you to a part of that tree
01:48.43malkavMy nvidia drivers have completely jacked up my x install. I have tried like 20 things from google searching for error messages
01:48.49dendriteCan any Makefile guru explain how to get $H to expand only for *one* rule?  See http://paste.debian.net/38579
01:48.50Max_-dkr : so the question must be how do I get rid of the search result?
01:49.00dkrsearch for something else?
01:49.05malkavxwindows wont start at all
01:49.18malkaverror running module nvidia
01:49.19Max_-dkr : ahh ok.. trying something
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01:49.48dkrMax_-: ? for help  ^ to mov eup branches o ftree
01:50.09dkrMax_-: g to install the selected packages
01:50.58Max_-dkr : sorry, u are right, I'm just having troubles with my up arrow... that's why I didn't realize it was just a part of the rest
01:51.05Max_-^ will do it, thanks
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01:54.20Soletwith ipmasq, how do i open up 53/udp and 53/tcp for my dns and zone transfers?
01:54.28Booh-epsilon: ok, when I try the localgen I only have utf-8
01:55.05Booh-in dpkg-reconfigure locales (localeconf for me) I select iso...
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01:55.41DemonSpecterok, where is the apache conf file so I can change it to look off an external drive for my Site?
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01:56.30geo-rgesomewhere under /etc I guess ;)
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01:57.03geo-rgeyou could make a separate domain for what's on your ext
01:57.05Dave2/etc/apache(2?)
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01:57.57killuxhey
01:58.21killuxI just installed a debian based distro called Blackrhino for my playstation 2
01:58.33killuxand I am trying to configure the network
01:58.38Guerinkillux: that's nice. But not our problem.
01:58.40epsilondepends if you have apache1 or 2, the conf differs in debian
01:58.45Guerinkillux: ask #blackrhino
01:58.54killuxwell shouldnt it be similar?
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01:59.02lux0rkillux: the file /etc/network/interfaces is what you have to tweak
01:59.06killuxyes i know
01:59.12DemonSpecterkillux: nice, but I have PS3 so :P
01:59.20killuxbut whats the broadcast and network?
01:59.24epsilonI have PC :PPP
01:59.32Guerinkillux: try `man interfaces'
01:59.36lux0rkillux: the man page to that file will explain
01:59.38killuxi did
01:59.43killuxit doesnt have a man page for that
01:59.46DemonSpecterI have PC with Vista/XP/Deb   PS3 and PSP heh
01:59.49killuxwell not on blackrhino at least
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02:00.30Guerinkillux: google debian man interfaces
02:00.39killuxi did right now
02:00.40Guerinkillux: but please don't ask in here
02:00.41epsilonso sorry for your windows
02:00.48Guerinwe'll have to shout and swear at you
02:00.49killuxi just dont understand what a broadcast is
02:00.49DemonSpecterbut I want apache to load my site off an external hard drive disk I have so how would I go about finding the HDD name and redirecting apache to that rather than the public_html directory?
02:00.50lux0rkillux: given your IP is 192.168.4.16, then your broadcast is 192.168.4.255 and your network 192.168.4.0
02:00.51Guerinthen you'd be sad
02:01.12killuxok thanks lux0r
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02:03.13epsilonDemonSpecter: mount the drive in /var/www directory, OR create a link to the mount and tell apache to allow a symlink, OR create new VHost in apache, OR change the default VHost from /var/www to your mounted drive, OR OR OR...
02:03.31epsilonpick one
02:03.44regulateor RTFM
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02:04.55DemonSpecteroops I wasn't clear on that I know how to change it I just don't know how to find my mount point to change /var/www to
02:05.34DemonSpectersorry was setting up several things at once, so I was rambling on that one
02:05.43epsilonman mount
02:06.09epsilonman fstab
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02:06.35regulateDemonSpecter: how is this external drive of yours  connected ?
02:06.42DemonSpecterregulate: if everyone did RTFM there would be no need for #debian :P
02:06.51DemonSpecterUSB external 80 Gig HDD
02:06.59GuerinDemonSpecter: if only debian doc was that good
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02:07.50dondelelcaroif only people who had their questions answered that weren't in the documentation would file patches for the documentation...
02:07.51DemonSpecterno doc is that good, very few docs cover just enough to help, they either cover too little to help or so much you are lost searching for the answer
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02:08.17dondelelcarothe best are actually multi-level
02:08.18abrotmanif only the upstream would apply the patches ...
02:08.27dondelelcaroabrotman: hey, it only takes the maintainer to
02:08.32abrotmanheh
02:08.39dondelelcaro(and unless the patch sucks, most maintainers will apply it)
02:09.11regulateDemonSpecter: does lsusb show the drive?
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02:10.18DemonSpecteryeah it does
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02:11.55DemonSpectermount shows it too       -> /dev/sdc1 on /media/Divergent Web Site type.......
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02:12.38regulateDemonSpecter: well, looks like you have it mounted already
02:12.53DemonSpecterdebian is nice and automounts it for me
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02:14.07DemonSpecterI just have to use the /media/ one for apache right?
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02:14.32h1dekihi. with apache's mod_dav_svn, does anyone know if it's possible to look up on ldap groups for group authorization in AuthzSVNAccessFile files instead of having have to write out the user names in [group] clause?
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02:15.00DemonSpecterdouble checking....remember in one linux distro I used the wrong one and it overwrote the device itself rather then files on the device
02:15.13geo-rgepotentially... you could have a completely separate apache configuration, all the files necessary to start up the domain on the external drive...
02:15.32geo-rgethen you'd run apache using that config while you have the drive mounted
02:15.45geo-rgestop just that particular apache
02:15.45SSLi'm trying to recompile my kernel and getting error "WARNING : Couldn't open directory /lib/Modules/2.6.18: No such file or directory"    "FATAL: Could not open /lib/Modules/2.6.18/Modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory
02:15.53regulateDemonSpecter: i wouldn't set apache's root to the mount point, if it gets unmounted, apache will surely crash
02:15.59geo-rgeumount/detach the drive, when you're done
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02:16.11DemonSpecterwell I work off the external....just the way I am
02:16.16SSLthe directory is here
02:16.22SSLany one can help me? please
02:16.22regulateDemonSpecter: try remounting it to /var/www,  atleast you know the directory exists when your drive isn't mounted there.
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02:17.08geo-rgeSSL: are you running the kernel you built? (uname -r)
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02:17.16ubuntulusershttp://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7403/01kg9.jpg
02:17.21ubuntulusersthat's my workspace
02:17.22ubuntulusers:-)
02:17.47DemonSpecterthat is true.....just have to remember how to mount....not done it for a long time cause I used to have to use Windows for web design heh
02:17.53SSLi just modified option on kernel-source and recompile it, 2.6.18-4-468
02:18.05regulateubuntulusers: the flowers need watering
02:18.06lux0rubuntulusers: haha
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02:18.21geo-rge2.6.18-4-468 sounds like the prebuilt debian kernel
02:18.28SSLyes
02:18.38SSLetch
02:18.38regulatecapital Modules ?
02:18.52geo-rgecapital idea!
02:19.01regulateSSL: did you use make-kpkg ?
02:19.11SSLnon
02:19.25SSLno
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02:19.53DemonSpecterwtf? remember how to use umount and mount but says I don't have permissions to view files in www o_O
02:20.21ameyergeo-rge: except it probably should be -486, and most people should be using -686 instead
02:20.21DemonSpecterguess I'll have to chmod it heh
02:20.23nathan_sudo chown yourname:yourname /var/www/
02:20.32nathan_sudo chmod 777 /var/www/
02:20.34SSLmake bzImage and make modules
02:20.57SSLi have to use make-kpkg?
02:21.08regulateyou dont _have_ to
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02:21.47SSLwhen i check, i have the directory, don't know why the system can't find it:s
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02:22.32SSLi'm trying to install vpn on linux that's why i'm recompiling kernel
02:22.42Guerinif you don't we probably won't be much help yto you
02:22.56level1I have a weird error, where sometimes, when I resume from suspend, I can't put any keyboard imput or touchpad input.  USB mouses and keyboards still work, but I don't carry a usb keyboard arround... the only solution is to resuspend and unsuspend the computer, but I can't command this computer to suspend without the keyboard
02:22.57geo-rgeit is convenient to, because it serves you in at least three ways: 1, lets you completely install and remove a kernel with very little effort... 2, lets you organize your kernel by placing the package into a dir named for the purpose of the kernel and 3, installs the config file that you used in /boot
02:23.06level1strangely, I can get it to hibernate
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02:23.34timbobstevehi all
02:24.37DemonSpecterI hate that...had to umount the media, chmod /var/www then mount it again heh
02:25.07regulatewere you mount'ing as a non-root?
02:25.39DemonSpecterdarn, still says I don't have permission to view the contents...and no I was logged in a terminal as root
02:25.42geo-rgethat's why it would be nice to have a separate run specified by a separate config
02:26.19SSLyes i have too config
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02:26.46SSLit's my first try to recompile a kernel
02:27.10Spyro_boyhehe.
02:27.12geo-rgein that case s/re// :)
02:27.18Spyro_boyI remember compiling my first.
02:27.30geo-rgeyour second try would possibly be REcompiling :)
02:27.32SSLlol
02:27.41kireHello! The arrows (that browse through my web-history) in the iceape-browser are disabled. I couldnt find any option in the settings, could sb. help??
02:27.41SSLi'm trying again:)
02:28.08regulateSSL: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image
02:28.31SSLrebo123 ok
02:28.41SSLregulate ok
02:28.45ubuntuluserseat my pussy
02:28.47ubuntulusers:-)
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02:29.15killux_i tried configuring my network but on boot i get these error messages
02:29.17killux_http://pastebin.ca/722532
02:29.27killux_anyone know what that could mean?
02:29.54ubuntuluserspossibly Auto-negotiation error
02:30.08ubuntulusersyou should try 100Mbps half duplex mode
02:30.32geo-rgeit's not that much different to use make-kpkg... you edit the config using whatever (like make menuconfig) then instead of running make zImage etc, you run the make-kpkg thing (perhaps like regulate says) and it does all the making just like you would, only difference being it packages it
02:30.57geo-rgeubuntulusers: evidently you want attention :P
02:31.02mmnicolasno it already tried half duplex
02:31.05killux_ubuntulusers: thats what it did but the link is still down
02:31.12ubuntulusersoh, ok
02:31.22ubuntulusersgeo-rge, i'm an attention whore, sry
02:31.28timbobsteveI am trying to install a new kernel package via a bash script, but 1/2 through debconf asks for the users input. Is there any way to force apt-get to use the package defaults for debconf or supply my own from the script?
02:31.34mmnicolaskillux_: i bet on the cable
02:31.44geo-rgeI never said anything was wrong with that
02:31.50killux_ehh i dont think so but ill check
02:31.52killux_hold on
02:32.11ubuntulusers:D
02:32.14geo-rge(altho I did stick my tongue out at you :P oops, I did it again
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02:32.56mmnicolaskillux_: by check you mean try another cable i guess
02:33.14killux_yea i will do that but i dont think thats it
02:34.53ubuntuluserswhat, do you try to fool us? you already are on the internets?!
02:35.03killux_no i am on a different box
02:35.08ubuntulusersoh, ok :)
02:35.22killux_and the box im trying to get working is a ps2
02:35.24killux_=]
02:35.32killux_kinda stupid but im bored
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02:35.34ubuntulusersurghs ;P
02:35.52killux_hey at least its a debian based distro
02:35.53ubuntulusersit's possible to install linux on a ps2?
02:35.57killux_yea
02:36.02geo-rgeI got my domU running!
02:36.09ubuntuluserscool :)
02:36.26killux_brb
02:36.32zoredacheIs anyone familar with dm-crypt?  What is the effect on the encryted volume, if I do a luksOpen, but then don't do a close before I unplug the usb device the encrypted volume is one?
02:36.37geo-rgeso now I have a debian and a ubuntu... I'm going to install another debian on there
02:36.56ubuntulusersnothing zoredache
02:37.10geo-rgethree virtual machines in one... and just by installing some packages from etch
02:37.11ubuntulusersit's like shut down the computer without umount
02:37.39abrotmanubuntulusers: do you have a debian related question ?
02:37.53ubuntulusersno, but i'm answering debian related questions
02:37.58abrotmannot very well
02:38.01ubuntulusersso?
02:38.01_stokesgeo-rge, full virt?
02:38.13ubuntulusersi give my best :)
02:38.16ubuntulusersnobody is perfect
02:38.20zoredacheok, but the next part of the question is, do I need to do a luksopen when I reconnect the device?
02:38.21abrotmanyou're not even close
02:38.23geo-rgezoredache: if it hasn't flushed everything to your ext drive, that could cause problems
02:38.38ubuntulusersso why don't you answer him if you know everything?
02:38.40_stokesgeo-rge, kvm or xen
02:38.50zoredachethe filesystem will be unmounted, I just can't figure out how to close the dm-crypt device
02:39.09ubuntulusersluksClose
02:39.10ubuntulusers?
02:39.30geo-rge_stokes: xen, but my amd64 will potentially run full virtual (meaning run an os without it being "ported")
02:39.45_stokesgeo-rge, yea i know what it means : )
02:39.53zoredacheyes, I know luksclose... ok perhaps lets ask the question this way.  Is there a way with autofs to have a command be executed after the filesystem is unmounted
02:39.57_stokesgeo-rge, thats cool, paravirt is faster anyways ;D
02:40.18ubuntulusersno idea :)
02:40.25geo-rgeit's not bad. debootstrap works pretty well
02:40.26ubuntulusersmaybe you should ask abrotman
02:40.35abrotmanmaybe you should leave me out of it smartass
02:40.44ubuntulusers:D
02:40.53_stokescool
02:41.08_stokesgeo-rge, should check out kvm in the 2.6.23 kernel
02:41.11_stokespretty cool
02:41.24zoredachesee I am trying to get my computer to a point where I can hot-plug a encrypted usb volume so I can use them for encrypted backups...  I will be swaping the devices out nightly... I was trying to setup autofs to automatically mount the devices
02:41.33geo-rgekvm, that's not the same as in "kvm switch"?
02:41.44_stokesand if you run your instances on separate devices you can convert your xen images to kvm
02:41.50_stokesgeo-rge, nah kvm is not like a kvm switch
02:41.52zoredachehrm... I guess I will just have to set it up and run some tests...
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02:42.08geo-rgeso it's a different virtualization technology
02:42.20_stokesgeo-rge, yep
02:42.26_stokesgeo-rge, accepted upstream fully
02:42.55geo-rgeI should try to get lots more ram on the box so I can run the video games and stuff :)
02:43.20geo-rgewho is kvm upstream?
02:43.23_stokesgeo-rge, not sure its meant for that
02:43.51geo-rgexen you mean? I've been looking at it, determined it might work
02:44.15_stokesgeo-rge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine
02:44.29geo-rgeoh, that's kvm :)
02:44.46_stokes: )
02:45.18DemonSpecterwonderful....doing your recommendation of umount and mount to /var/www has made it so I can't view my external drive at all now.....keeps telling me I don't have permission and I can't change it because it is a read-only system X-(
02:45.29geo-rgeso, what, it's one kernel, many oses?
02:45.51_stokesgeo-rge, its a kernel module that implements same functionality as xen
02:46.08geo-rgeand compatible with it too?
02:46.14_stokesnot exactly
02:46.31_stokesif you create an image in xen it is hard to convert to an image kvm will recognize
02:46.35_stokessame goes with vmware etc
02:46.39geo-rgeDemonSpecter: you might try to consider it as a different place rather than mounting it in the same place
02:46.54_stokesthough it is possible to convert the data to a raw image and mount it loopback i believe
02:47.07_stokesive only seen it done with older vmware esx 2.5 images
02:47.32geo-rgeinstead of mounting it on /var/www, mount it elsewhere, make sure it's always that place that you mount it on (and that it's always available to your ext drive)
02:47.40DemonSpecterI did I mounted it back at mount /dev/sdc1 '/media/Divergent Web Site' and now permissions can't be determined for me to work on my web site under Debian
02:48.02geo-rgeand have the apache config stuff all live there, and then you start it from its mount
02:48.42geo-rgespaces are ok in filenames... but also they make things sorta inconvenient
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02:49.10Guerinspaces in filenames are evil
02:49.15Guerinnever let anyone tell you otherwise
02:49.20DemonSpecterno geo-rge, you don't get it, following the mounting and umounting advice has made it so that I can't even open my external drive to work on my site now
02:50.00geo-rgethe act of mounting on /var/www was not and wouldn't have been my advice
02:50.01DemonSpectereverytime I double click the desktop icon for the external drive I get You don't have permissions to view files
02:50.19geo-rgewhat kind of filesystem is on the drive?
02:50.51Supaplexthe spiffy one
02:50.53DemonSpecterwhatever Vista and XP file system is
02:51.05DemonSpecterNTFS I believe
02:51.06geo-rgehmm, so maybe ntfs
02:51.28Supaplexmy bad. NumbskullTechnology FileSystem isn't my idea of spiffy.
02:51.30geo-rgeso do you want to be able to share this ext drive with windows?
02:51.56geo-rges/to share/to continue to share/
02:52.47DemonSpecteryes it has to because I work on Vista/XP/Debian on this computer alone
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02:53.27Nylegood evening
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02:53.58Wyzardhmm, Eclipse and Azureus are both crashing on sid...  apparently SWT is broken
02:54.20NyleWyzard: you aren't using Azureus are you?
02:54.23DemonSpecterreformatting it isn't an option because this ext HD has no backups of the files yet so formating it would be deleting my site I've been working on thus far
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02:54.30abrotman!blame Sun
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02:54.42WyzardNyle: Not at the moment, (particularly since I can't start it), but I do use it sometimes
02:54.51Nyleshame on you :)
02:54.55WyzardWhy?
02:54.57geo-rgeI'm not sure how the newest try at getting ntfs seen by linux works (from the user's standpoint) especially in terms of how ownerships and permissions translate...
02:55.16NyleWyzard: because.
02:56.02WyzardNyle: I have 85GB of CD images of free operating systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, OpenSUSE, ArchLinux, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenSolaris) that I could be seeding  :-)
02:56.31NyleWyzard: fat upload pipe?
02:56.51WyzardNyle: No, in fact my current ISP interferes with seeding  :-/
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02:57.15abrotmanWyzard: couldn't you use rtorrent in a screen for that ?
02:57.34NyleWyzard: that sucks.  You could always seed with some other client, unless you want to run your own tracker, and if you do, Azureus is a bad place to start
02:57.42Nyle(I am not sure if you can do a tracker on it)
02:57.51Wyzardabrotman: I probably could, but I don't feel like setting that up
02:58.06WyzardAzureus works fine in my experience
02:58.18Nyleyes, but you must have a really powerful system
02:58.30NyleI ran azureus on 128mb ram and p3 866mhz :D
02:58.33WyzardNyle: Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM  :-)
02:58.34Nyleits bloatware
02:58.38NyleWyzard: which one?
02:58.46WyzardE6600
02:58.51NyleWyzard: I own a e6300
02:59.04Nylenice man
02:59.06abrotmanpfft ..
02:59.25NyleI got 3.5ghz on this little cpu, I think I'm good with 2mb cache eh
02:59.36linchow do i see what i packages i have installed
02:59.51WyzardNyle: yeah, I've heard they can be overclocked fairly well
02:59.52abrotman!installed
02:59.52dpkgTo list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M';
03:00.12geo-rgelinc dpkg --help
03:00.20NyleWyzard: electricity bill shot up though, since I keep it on 24/7
03:00.21candleinthewindabrotman's mutter lutscht schwaenze in der hoelle
03:00.42NyleWyzard: on default values and powersave mode, my electric bill wasn't that much
03:00.44lincthanks
03:00.54abrotmancandleinthewind: are you trying to get banned ?
03:00.57geo-rgeare we craving attention again?? aww :)
03:01.08candleinthewindno :)
03:01.20candleinthewindyes :(
03:01.34Nyledoes debian offer some sort of clustering?
03:01.37abrotmancandleinthewind: go place elsewhere
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03:01.44sf7im installing debian,... on the 'formatting partition' page.  says
03:01.54abrotmango play elsewhere :)
03:01.58candleinthewindcheck http://dcc.irb.hr/ nyle :)
03:02.00sf7Bootable Flag:    Off    -- whats this? do i need to turn it on?
03:02.07killux_i got my network running but the only IP i can ping is my router
03:02.13killux_isnt that kinda weird?
03:02.22geo-rgeNyle: I just got xen working and essentially that was from just installing some packages from etch
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03:02.30mmlj4killux_: got a default route?
03:02.55mmlj4sf7: either / or /boot needs to be bootable
03:03.12WyzardNo, the bootable flag doesn't matter
03:03.16WyzardGRUB doesn't use it
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03:03.24Nylegeo-rge: why are you telling me?
03:03.28sf7right.. im using grub. thanks
03:03.49Wyzardand technically a Linux partition should *not* be marked bootable unless it has GRUB in the partition's boot sector (rather than the MBR)
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03:04.07geo-rgeNyle: isn't it a form of clustering?
03:04.19WyzardNo, Xen isn't clustering
03:04.21Nyleno, its not, afaik
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03:04.26WyzardIt's virtualization
03:04.31Nylebingo
03:04.53Wyzardthe opposite of clustering -- one box acting like multiple computers, as opposed to multiple boxes acting like one computer
03:04.59Nylelol
03:05.15geo-rgesf7: so where do you have your grub installed?
03:05.27nathan_is there a way to remove the parts of kde which I don't want, such as the application for dial up internet?
03:05.31simpletronhi all
03:05.33killux_mmlj4: yea
03:05.35Nylenathan_: yes! there is
03:05.44Nyle!install kde
03:05.44dpkginstall kde is, like, In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.
03:06.35Nylenathan_: I would just simply apt-get --purge remove kde* and then install kde-core and then whatever other apps you need
03:06.52geo-rgecan you cause xen to create a domU which starts by booting an install cd?
03:07.14Wyzardgeo-rge: don't think so...  the normal way to install Debian in a domU is using debootstrap
03:07.19nathan_Nyle: oh so when I did install kde it does the whole package
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03:07.30Nylenathan_: EVEEERRRYYYY thing
03:07.34Nylenathan_: do kde-core
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03:07.37nathan_haha
03:07.38nathan_thanks
03:07.53Nylesure
03:09.19killux_anyone?
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03:09.34nathan_can you repeat
03:09.51killux_i got my network running but the only IP i can ping is my router
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03:09.57sf7is MBR separate from all partitions?  can GRUB exist in the MBR?
03:10.07Nylenathan_: ?
03:10.08Wyzardsf7: Yes, that's the normal place to install it
03:10.13geo-rgekillux_: sounds like you have no default route
03:10.35killux_geo-rge: how do i set one?
03:10.57Wyzardkillux_: If you're using static IP configuration, it's the "gateway" statement in /etc/network/interfaces
03:11.15Wyzardkillux_: if you're using DHCP, it should be provided by the DHCP server and set up automatically by your DHCP client
03:11.19geo-rgejust right now, you can do route add default gw (address of your gateway)
03:11.36geo-rgebut that would only last until reboot
03:11.52killux_ok should broadcast be the router's ip too?
03:11.58abrotmanno
03:12.09Wyzardkillux_: No, you generally don't need to specify broadcast
03:12.18killux_ok
03:12.26geo-rgeno, probably your broadcast is fine, since it's already able to get to your gateway
03:12.30geo-rgebtw
03:12.34killux_so all i really need is IP Netmask and gateway right
03:12.42Wyzardright
03:12.45killux_ok
03:12.50geo-rgeis this piece of equipment actually -your- gateway?
03:12.59Nyle77
03:13.03killux_what do you mean ?
03:13.18geo-rgeor is it on the other side of your cable etc?
03:13.22Wyzardkillux_: Why not use DHCP, btw?
03:13.50killux_well where do you define where the dhcp server is located
03:13.55geo-rgedoes the box which is the gateway actually belong to you
03:13.56killux_located meaning its IP
03:13.59geo-rgeyou dont' need to
03:14.00abrotmanthat's the point of DHCP .. you don't
03:14.15killux_i tried uncommenting that line and it didnt work
03:14.15geo-rgeit finds you after you say HEY GIMME A IP
03:14.21abrotmanyou just set the network card to use dhcp .. and then it's supposed to do the magic bits on its own
03:14.36killux_this isnt a regular PC
03:14.41killux_its a PS2
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03:14.47killux_lol
03:14.49geo-rgeplaystation?
03:14.51killux_buyea
03:14.53killux_*yea
03:15.09geo-rgeok, so you connect it to what?
03:15.14killux_my router
03:15.18geo-rgeahh
03:15.20abrotmanit's also not debian
03:15.23killux_it is
03:15.25geo-rgethis router, is what?
03:15.26abrotmanno it's not
03:15.29killux_its a debian based distro
03:15.31abrotmanblackrhino is not debian
03:15.36killux_i know
03:15.39killux_but similar
03:16.02killux_geo-rge: what do you mean is what?
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03:16.33geo-rgeyou plug your ps2 into a thing... this thing is your router... what kind of thing is it exactly?
03:16.48abrotmanprobably an ethernet adapter .. eh ? :)
03:16.51regulateits in the wall....
03:16.58Wyzardkillux_: Any Linux distro should be able to do DHCP
03:17.23abrotmanset the damn thing for dhcp and go to bed
03:17.29killux_i tried
03:17.31killux_and it doesnt work
03:17.34Guerintry harder
03:17.40Guerinor complain to sony
03:17.46killux_its not sony....
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03:17.55geo-rgeI'm trying to get him in and out...
03:18.04killux_?
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03:18.09geo-rgemaybe you should just let me do that
03:18.13Guerinoh, it's not a playstation?
03:18.15abrotmanthen you did it wrong .. it's not debian .. stop asking us
03:18.31abrotman<killux_> its a PS2
03:18.37Guerinindeed
03:18.45killux_ok there is no blackrhino channel
03:18.47Guerinhence: if your OS of choice doesn't work, compltain to the vendor
03:18.50killux_its debian based
03:18.50abrotmanthere is a ##linux
03:18.59Guerin!nondeb killux_
03:18.59dpkgGo to channel #killux_ for help with killux_. If killux_ were Debian, it would be called Debian and not killux_.
03:19.08abrotmanheheh
03:19.09Guerinhm.
03:19.10Wyzardhehe
03:19.14Guerinthat didn't work as I'd hoped
03:19.19geo-rgeumm :)
03:19.26geo-rgenone of this is
03:19.26Guerinbut you get the idea
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03:19.42Guerinif it doesn't say `Debian GNU/Linux' on the box, it's NOFP
03:19.50killux_ok ok
03:19.54killux_ill try ##linux
03:20.02Guerinkillux_: good luck
03:20.05killux_i thought it would just be similar to debian
03:20.13abrotmanman 5 interfaces
03:20.18Guerinit should be
03:20.19killux_wait if its debian based what exactly does that mean
03:20.23Wyzardkillux_: It probably is, but it might be different and we don't know about the differences
03:20.27Guerinbut we have no way of knowing what's been changed
03:20.37killux_ok
03:20.40Guerinkillux_: it means virtually nothing without additional information
03:20.42Wyzardkillux_: We can tell you how to configure Debian, but if it doesn't work in Blackrhino then it's not Debian's problem
03:20.46regulatekillux_: /sbin/dhclient eth0
03:20.49killux_well thanks for your help
03:20.52candleinthewindmost debian based distributions suck
03:20.57killux_ubuntu?
03:20.58abrotman!ops candleinthewind trolling
03:20.58dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: candleinthewind trolling
03:21.00candleinthewindonly the original rocks
03:21.10candleinthewindabrotman?
03:21.15killux_thanks, bye
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03:22.43mmnicolasGuerin: NOFP ?
03:23.02Guerin!nofp
03:23.02dpkgwell, nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem
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03:23.11mmnicolasohh nice
03:23.16mmnicolaslovely
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03:23.56bangershow do you see how long a cron job runs for?
03:24.05regulatetime
03:24.07Guerinbangers: using time(1)
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03:29.29mmnicolasi really wonder why people persist in using these words in almost every geeky things you say, RTFM, NOFP etc... why would anybody try to be a gentlegeek
03:29.29Guerinwhich, of course, introduces a heisenberg problem
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03:29.30candleinthewindgentlegeek <3
03:29.31mmnicolasinstead of RTFM, say WYPRTM, for would you please read the manual
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03:29.31candleinthewindwhat a nice word...^^
03:29.31Guerinmmnicolas: be the change you wish to see.
03:29.31simonrvnGuerin: well said
03:29.31mmnicolasGuerin: definitively
03:29.31Guerinfuckin'a
03:29.31geo-rgemmnicolas: perhaps originally, it's frustration
03:29.31maherdoes anyone know offhand whether the etch installer will install directly onto a mac mini - i don't want to preserve mac osx
03:29.32dondelelcaromaher: it should be capable of doing so
03:29.32bangersGuerin: what do you mean? do I have to log it to a file?
03:29.32mmnicolasgeo-rge: as a salesperson, im a used to express frustration politely
03:29.32mmnicolas:)
03:29.32Guerinbangers: or email it to you, yeah. I don't think cron times things by default
03:29.32Guerinmmnicolas: as a media analyst and political scientist, I'm used to translating such expressions into plain english :)
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03:29.32mmnicolasGuerin: haha
03:29.32Nylei like polish
03:29.32GuerinPR-speak is a beautiful thing, once torn into its component parts
03:29.33Nylesimonrvn: kwe kwe
03:29.33maherdondelelcaro: so it will default to installing elilo or something efi aware as the boot loader?
03:29.33dondelelcaromaher: yaboot
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03:29.33Nyledondelelcaro: can one dualboot os 9 and deb on powerbook 3400c
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03:29.33dondelelcaroNyle: yes
03:29.33maherdondelelcaro: isn't yaboot for ppc?
03:29.35nsxhow can I search package contents the way you can on packages.debian.org?  e.g., I want to see what packages contain a certain filename
03:29.42Guerinmaher: minimac was ppc, no?
03:29.43mmnicolasPR-speak ?
03:29.44nsxcan aptitude do this?
03:29.54mmnicolasis there a wiki for this
03:29.55regulateapt-file can
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03:29.59Nyledondelelcaro: you mentioned yaboot. Using this? Can you advise more as to what I would need in order to accomplish this?
03:30.13Guerinnsx: /msg dpkg search; for great justice
03:30.29Guerinmmnicolas: not as far as I know. PR = public relations, in this case.
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03:30.46geo-rgefolks who thought for example they couldn't ever get a date might resort to hiding in basement behind machine (and hmm, where am I right now...), and once behind said machine might express frustration at those who don't want to learn at a particular level in order to get what they're after
03:30.47dondelelcaroNyle: I don't know if the 3400c will boot using yaboot, but if not, it'll boot using bootx
03:30.56magyarI have a wireless keyboard, replaced the battery, but i get this anoying key repeat happening.
03:31.05nsxfor great justice?  sorry I'm not a mind reader
03:31.15Guerinnsx: it's a figure of speech
03:31.26geo-rgehence the phrase rtfm and etc (rtfs and then wtfm)
03:31.33nsxyou act as if I was supposed to already know to do that
03:31.43Guerinnsx: you were.
03:32.01nsxbecause yeah, I am psychic and all
03:32.02regulatemagyar: unplug the usb thing
03:32.27Guerinnsx: nothing psychic required. No need to get arsey - I just told you where to find the answer; be happy.
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03:32.43Nyledondelelcaro: I finally got sarge/testing off of this thing.  I obtained an OS9 cd and was able to restore this laptop.  I would however like to run debian on this as well, but I also wish to have os 9.  1) 80 mb is enough to run X/fluxbox/small stuff? 2) so basically just bootx/yaboot etc. and also, in which order would I want to install the oses?
03:32.45geo-rgensx: install apt-file and look at its docs
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03:33.05Nyledondelelcaro: 80mb ram that is
03:33.11nsxGuerin: yeah, with an attitude
03:33.17Guerinnsx: yes.
03:33.21thinkmassivecan anyone inform me on the network performance/security implications of using a linux box (1ghz celeron, 512mb ram, 2x 100mbps nic's) for vpn/routing instead of a linksys "business class" router? (the vpn is shitty on it)
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03:33.54nsxI'm so psychic I can figure out exactly what search term I'm supposed to use with the bot
03:33.57geo-rgensx: can't have everything... typically, attituds r us...
03:33.57Nyledondelelcaro: I used bootx I think last time when I installed testing, and it completely wiped out everything, and I wasn't able to recover without an os8/9 cd.
03:34.03nsxyet not quite psychic enough to figure out the answer to my question in the first place
03:34.07nsxdumbass
03:34.13geo-rgensx: install apt-file and look at its docs
03:34.28nsxgeo-rge: thanks, I already figured out how to use apt-file about 3 minutes ago
03:34.44geo-rgeor do as implied by your earlier comment... use packages.debian.org :)
03:35.09Guerinnsx: do you always whine like a tired child when given free help?
03:35.13Nylegeo-rge: decapitated :)
03:35.30nsxGuerin: if you get an attitude with me for no reason, why wouldn't you expect it back?
03:35.32simonrvnNyle: on those it doesn't really matter
03:35.44Nylesimonrvn: on who?
03:35.51simonrvnthe lappy
03:35.54Nyleoh
03:36.04NyleI had to replace the hdd in it
03:36.14geo-rgeNyle: hmm?
03:36.17Nyleit originally had a 3gb disk, I replaced it with a 6gb disk
03:36.42Guerinnsx: the distinction is thet YOUR attitude is like a whiney brat, whereas mine wasn't. There's also the fact that I'm the helper and you're the fucking helpee to consider here.
03:36.45Nyleand ram isn't onboard I think, I have not checked yet, but i might upgrade the ram to 144mb and run a boxwm and stuff
03:36.50geo-rgeoh, your thing is working now? good :)
03:36.53Guerinbut hey
03:36.54dondelelcaroGuerin: just use /ignore instead of going at it
03:37.08nsxGuerin: sounds to me like you're the one whining :-)
03:37.15Nyleguys
03:37.16Nyleplease
03:37.18dondelelcaronsx: likewise, please.
03:37.36rmajwoah, flame war
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03:37.48Guerinthis is barely even a skirmish
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03:38.08Nylehey man
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03:38.15Nylewhats a seven course irish meal?
03:38.24Nylea potato and a six pack :D
03:38.30candleinthewind:D
03:38.31regulate2plz
03:38.32GuerinNyle: five guinnesses, a potato and a whisky
03:38.41sparrfind neat old hardware for super cheap.  find out it doesnt work in linux.  cry.  repeat.
03:39.03regulatenever happened to me
03:39.20Nylesimonrvn: I can't bring myself to throw away computers
03:39.22regulatea lot of stuff runs linux
03:39.42lincwrt54gs v7.0 doesn't
03:39.42Nylesimonrvn: I know that more than likely this 3400c is useless/worthless, but I just can't throw it away
03:39.45geo-rgelike som phones
03:39.48rmajeven windows runs linux
03:39.55rmajactually, windows servers
03:40.02simonrvnlinux kernel supports something like 31 archs and sub-archs IIRC
03:40.11Nyle!colinux
03:40.12dpkgi heard colinux is http://colinux.org/.  Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ...
03:40.15regulatesparr: what cpu
03:40.18geo-rgeand linux+xen runs windows and windows and ubuntu and debian and ...
03:40.41magyarregulate: how will that help?
03:40.57Nyledude I
03:41.00sparrregulate: i didnt say "runs linux"
03:41.04Nyleno
03:41.14Nyle!confuse me
03:41.14dpkgYes, where is their ferret today, nyle? trousers of the monarchy of micronesia with extra herring
03:41.38regulateok then
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03:42.11jnguyAnyone know how to merge tabs in firefox using tab mix plus?
03:42.26regulateask firefox or tab mix plus
03:42.32jnguymmk. Thanks.
03:42.36regulatenp
03:42.36Rusty1thinkmassive:  http://www.coyotelinux.com/ there's a forum - --
03:42.55Nylejnguy: merge multiple windows into one using tabs?
03:43.37Nylejnguy: tab mix plus options and then go into session and look at the options there
03:43.38jnguyNyle: Not sure... I'm using tab mix plus, and it adds a (*) if I ctrl-click. Just trying to figure out how to use that feature... for the hell of using it.
03:43.42Nyleits clearly a checkbox
03:44.09Nylewell you have to know what you want first
03:44.11sparrregulate: i was referring to devices that do not have drivers in linux, not hardware that wont run linux
03:44.15Nyleonly then can you get it
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03:44.29jnguyNyle: Truth. Just messing around really
03:44.40NyleI believe
03:44.51Nylethat if you have not gotten to where you are going, you're not there yet.
03:45.08sparri found a 40" sheet-feed scanner, but it only works in [old versions of] windows  :(
03:45.55jnguyNyle: hm. Okay?
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03:46.06sparrwhat i really wish i could find cheap is a large plotter...  gonna take a while on that one
03:46.32geo-rgelike a calcomp drum plotter
03:46.40jnguyNyle: Maybe                      in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word                      itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate                      words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean ? It's                      a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
03:47.15simonrvnjnguy: are you a bot?
03:47.36Nyle<PROTECTED>
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03:47.53maherdid someone just fail their turing test?
03:48.04jnguyno?
03:48.15Nylejnguy: what?
03:48.26jnguyI'm not a bot?
03:48.29Nylewhy not?
03:48.30geo-rgefailed with flying colors!
03:48.44Nylethis is stupid
03:48.45jnguyI graduated from being a bot.
03:48.47maherwot not bot?
03:49.07geo-rgewow, this is degenerating quickly :)
03:49.14Nylesimonrvn: my new roommate is an audio engineer or something
03:49.21simonrvnheh cool
03:49.24Nylesimonrvn: soon I shall have a very good quality recording
03:49.32geo-rgeof?
03:49.38simonrvnfor sure :)
03:49.40Nylegooey tar
03:49.49Nylerock/metal
03:49.51Nyleblues/jazz
03:50.00NyleI'll boogie woogie on your mind
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03:50.20geo-rgebudgie wudgie?
03:50.26Nyleno
03:50.32Nyleboogie, woo gee
03:51.16Nyleman i can't wait for ramadan to be over
03:51.37Nylecan't wait to toke up again :D so um.. I'm pretty much amazing I got two people at work to start using debian
03:51.51geo-rgeyou were fairly excited at the point it started
03:51.54simonrvnnice
03:52.04Nylewell yeh, I'm always like that
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03:52.20Nylegeo-rge: at the end of it we get lots of monies and presents and gifts
03:52.21geo-rgeI mean excited about ramadan starting
03:52.25squisherwhy can't you smoke out during ramadan?
03:52.40Nyleits month of sensory deprevation
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03:52.47geo-rgehe'd forget to collect the monies and presents?
03:52.48NyleI already appreciate little things more
03:52.49Nylelike food
03:52.55Nylelol
03:52.56squisherAh, sorry about my ignorance... I always thought it was just about the food
03:52.57Nylegood one
03:53.10Nyleits a lot more complex than that
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03:53.37Nyleit is supposed to make you appreciate food, and poor people, and realize that what you have is a gift from God and not somethin to be taken for granted
03:53.43Nyleetc. etc. and all that
03:53.50geo-rgeI would have thought smoking out would be a form of sensory deprivation (since it is oxygen deprivation)
03:54.12geo-rgethat's a good realization
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03:54.39Nyleand all the noobs should realize that debian is not for granted
03:54.50geo-rgebut don't let it be a controlling factor
03:55.06Nyleits a gift to the world from a few hundred people, its free, and it works, so quit yer whinin
03:55.09Nyleahem
03:55.10squisherNyle: I see, interesting to know. Well, after it's over you'll appreciate everything much more, I'm sure!
03:55.19Nyleshit
03:55.21geo-rgewhile debian is granted, it shouldn't be taken for granted, that is true
03:55.33NyleI already appreciate budd a lot more than I did two weeks ago
03:55.42squishergeo-rge: smoking out is a bit more than just oxygen deprivation... :-) Afterall, if it was you might as well hold your breath to get the same effect
03:55.59Nylebefore this conversation gets out of hand
03:56.29geo-rgesquisher: people do that in order to get the effect
03:56.42Nylei can hold my breath for close to 1 minute
03:56.50Nyleit used to be much longer when i was younger and didn't smoke
03:57.01geo-rgethat would make you a fair swimmer
03:57.11Nylei can't swim very fast though
03:57.12squishergeo-rge: I agree that it is part of it, but definitely not all of it
03:57.27NyleI can ollie about 30 inches
03:57.53geo-rgeother part of it is any time you introduce burning smoke into your lungs you're damaging them
03:58.00Nylethat is true
03:58.06NyleI would rather eat it than smoke it
03:58.16Nylein fact, when I am fully moved out I will start cooking it
03:58.17dakooeat what
03:58.23Nylemy roommate bakes and loves to bake
03:58.28geo-rgenot to mention that any kind of smoke/burning stuff affects your circulation
03:58.36NyleI can throw in the special ingredients and keep em for me
03:58.41Nyletake em to work with me
03:58.46Nyleomg thats an awesome idea
03:58.54dakooit's good for the bowls
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03:59.08Nyledakoo... meaning robber
03:59.14Nylethief, in urdu/hindi
03:59.16Nyleam I correct?
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03:59.26dakooyup
03:59.29Nyleword
03:59.37squishergeo-rge: yeah that's true, unfortunately. I guess there's at least always eating it... now if it would only work as fast...
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04:00.11nhuismanare there any debian security guides other than the debian security handbook?
04:00.24nhuismanerr securing debian manual
04:00.27geo-rgeprobably linux security
04:00.34nhuismani know I can find some on google, just wondering if there are some that are well known
04:00.38geo-rgeand then unix security
04:00.44geo-rgeand then computer security
04:00.46Nyledakoo: are you indian?
04:01.09geo-rgewhich you should consider reading to get the basics and the generics
04:02.31candleinthewindg-e-o-r-g-e :-)
04:02.45Nylecandleinthewind: are you lit?
04:03.01geo-rgedat ahs mooooch dddaaashes
04:03.08candleinthewindonly a bit ;)
04:03.17Nylewont' you get blown out?
04:03.23geo-rgelit a bit
04:03.25Nylein the wind I mean
04:03.31nhuismanit's a song...
04:03.39Nyleoh
04:03.43Nylekinda like 'dust in the wind'
04:03.51geo-rgeelton john,
04:03.52nhuismanyeah, the elton john one is what i'm thinking of
04:04.00geo-rgedust is better
04:04.07candleinthewindyeah, elton john :)
04:04.08nhuismankansas right?
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04:04.15geo-rgeyeah
04:04.17Nyleanother brick in the wall
04:04.32nhuismananother brick in the wall could be better then dust in the wind :)
04:04.32geo-rgedisco record :P
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04:05.18Nyle!factinfo debian-ur
04:05.19dpkgthere's no such factoid as debian-ur, Nyle
04:05.27Nyle!factinfo ur
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04:05.31geo-rgeyou can play that thing from start to finish, same tempo all the way thru, dancers like it
04:05.37mick_homehi everyone
04:05.48Nylegeo-rge: i think pf is highly overrated
04:06.07mick_homei have a wintv pvr usb2 tv tuner that i'd like to get to work -- i did a modprobe to get it to load and i see that it "worked": pastebin.ca/722606 -- yet i don't get a /dev/video0
04:06.26mick_homeNyle: it actually is quite nice (well carp is)
04:06.41geo-rgeand one of the overrators is pf themselves...
04:06.42mick_homefailover firewalls w/ iptables is a pain
04:06.56nhuismanyeah i was in the market for a failover pf carp firewall
04:07.03Nyleanything could be a pain if you don't fully understand it
04:07.16mick_homelol
04:07.17Nyleeven so, it could still be a pain, but maybe a mild one
04:07.18nhuismanas opposed to paying 15k for a cisco asa
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04:07.48geo-rgeI didn't understand xen, but it turned out to be easy to get going and I could learn about it after it was going
04:07.50magyarin software raid the /root device is the /boot partition?
04:07.56Nylegeo-rge: I was actually talking about pink floyd
04:07.59Nylebut whatever
04:08.10Nyleit seems to have veered ontopic again
04:08.11mick_homewell - if anyone knows wth to do to get this wintv tv tuner to work i'd really appreciate it
04:08.12Nyle;)
04:08.14Nyleor something
04:08.19geo-rgepink floyd being a mild pain? :)
04:08.27Nylegeo-rge: overrated
04:08.37Nylemy leg hurts
04:08.40Nyleow
04:08.56Nyleso mick_home I have no idea, anything on google?
04:08.56geo-rgethat's what I was saying, there is a perception that pf overrates themselves
04:09.23Nyleno you don't get it, I love pf, but I still think its way overrated
04:09.30geo-rgeespecially their ticket prices...
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04:09.57Nylemagyar: no
04:10.07Nylemagyar: root partition is where / is
04:10.20geo-rgein what way do you feel they're overrated? (or alternatively, how do you underrate them)
04:10.32Nylemagyar: boot can be on a non-root partition like a diff disk/partition even
04:10.42Nylei think so anyway
04:10.53Nylelong time since i read any of that stuff but i don't see anyone else helping you out there
04:11.22magyarNyle: why is the /boot partion a must for software raid?
04:11.34Nylemagyar: i don't know, I don't play with sw raid
04:11.48magyark
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04:11.55Nylemagyar: perhaps you should consult the debian install guide
04:12.00geo-rgeprobably because you have to be able to boot somehow and without the raid array going, that's... problematic :)
04:12.10Nylewhich should contain some info regarding lvms and raids
04:12.18Nyleor consult tldp for raid howto
04:12.43geo-rgeit's 21:12...
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04:13.00dondelelcaromagyar: you have to be able to load the kernel somehow; that means a raid1 or similar filesystem. Doing more complicated things is also possible, but much more difficult to setup.
04:13.08Nylethat sounds reasonable enough, you can't load the software raid before you load the kernel, so boot should be on first
04:13.52dondelelcaromagyar: the typical way it's done (if you need reliability) is to have /boot as a software raid1 spread across all of the disks, each disk with a /boot (or at least two)
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04:16.47Max_-If I don't want to mess everything, should I just install kde-core and try to get things installed over it, or should I install plain kde package with the ~500 dependencies and then remove the most useless???
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04:19.24geo-rgeMax_-: that's dependent on a combination of factors: how much disk space you have available, how wide your bandwidth is, how much ram you have, how bored you are...
04:19.28liberionanyone here?
04:19.32geo-rgeyou are
04:19.37candleinthewindi am!
04:19.39liberionlol
04:19.42dondelelcaroMax_-: you could just use aptitude; and pick out the dependencies of kde that you want
04:20.34Max_-geo-rge : humm.. these are not a problem : 240 GB, 2 GB, cable... boredness is average... :P
04:21.11Max_-dondelelcaro : I'm using aptitude, yes, I picked kde-core and noticed nothing came with it... but if I pick kde, everything comes, really about 500 packages will be installed
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04:21.46Max_-and things like wireless or laptop packages... liloconfig...    it's a desktop, w/o wireless, and using grub.. so .. I see there will be a lot of garbage...
04:21.55Max_-I guess I should really install it from scratch
04:21.56regulatestart with kde-core
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04:22.22Max_-regulate : yeah, I guess I should....
04:22.48regulatethere are other kde metapackages
04:22.54Max_-That's maybe "just" another hundred of hours of reading and searching and installing
04:23.01Max_-ok..
04:23.01dondelelcaroMax_-: yeah, so mash enter on the kde package, and then pick the dependencies of the kde package that you want and/or the dependencies of those packages if you don't want them.
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04:23.09geo-rgeMax_-: then I can't really say... noting however just installing kde would be easy and quick... one thing you could do is put the output of dpkg --get-selections | grep install into a file before you do that, then install kde, run that thing again into a different file, sort them, find their diff and read that
04:23.18Marupais there any sort of utility to throttle traffic coming from certain IPs manually?
04:23.50dondelelcaroMax_-: since if you're using aptitude, all you have to do later, is just unmark the kde package and any packages that were installed will go away unless you specifically include them.
04:26.56geo-rgeMarupa: there is a kernel module (or there was) called shaper, you could look into that
04:27.31geo-rgeactually however, it's not possible to change what's coming at you, only what you send
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04:27.46Max_-there's less than 200 packages with kde-core.. I think I'll go with it and add what is missing with time... I noted what would have come with kde... so I'll search about it and see if I want it installe or not... that's because it's a web server... so I don't want to put too much GUI stuff on it, but I need some since it has cameras linked to it... watching videos in shell is ... well, impossible
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04:28.00big0nis there any sudo on debian?
04:28.07Max_-yes
04:28.24Max_-im actually using it
04:28.42geo-rgeMax_-: you could consider not having any gui stuff at all, saving it for your desktop
04:28.43dondelelcaroMax_-: why install any of it on teh server?
04:28.49Marupageo-rge, I want to limit incoming data rates and outgoing data rates from given IPs.
04:29.04dondelelcaroMax_-: use tc or similar to do that; see the lartc for details.
04:29.07Marupabut NOT all data  some users I want to use the full pipe.
04:29.20geo-rgeMarupa: you can control how fast YOU SEND, you cannot control how fast THEY SEND.
04:29.31Max_-geo-rge, dondelelcaro : my other computers are too slow or my windoze laptop
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04:30.00Max_-big0n : aptitude install sudo
04:30.08geo-rgeMax_-: is this one a particular screamer?
04:30.14Marupageo-rge, well, that's better than nothing.  but I don't want a shaper, just particular IPs.
04:30.21ameyergeo-rge: you can slow the rate of sending ACKs, which can sort of shape how fast they send
04:30.40geo-rgeameyer: I was going to get to that :)
04:31.10ameyerbut it's certainly not as easy as shaping upstream traffic
04:31.12Max_-geo-rge : nope..
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04:31.24Marupamostly...I just caught apparently a hacker in macedonia trying to send/rec looots of data to my server and was saturating particularly my upstream.
04:31.38geo-rgebut if someone is sending you packets just to be sending them, slowing acks isn't going to affect that
04:31.54Max_-anyway... I'm noting all that is installed with everything I install.. so at worst, if I'm deceived with it, I guess I can just wipe it all out, no?
04:32.17geo-rgesure
04:32.29geo-rgeor dissatisfied even :)
04:32.29Max_-good
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04:32.37Max_-:P
04:32.40Marupawas sending at 750kbps which is /far/ beyond what my connection can handle.
04:33.00geo-rgehow do you know he was sending at that rate
04:33.05MarupaI have ntop
04:33.05Max_-I've been using gnome for maybe 2 years... before I was using kde.. that will do me some change :)
04:33.14geo-rgebecause
04:33.31geo-rgeif you can see him sending at that rate, you are capable of that rate
04:34.23geo-rgetry using neither, like sawfish or fvwm or something
04:34.37Marupanot if my dsl is rated at 'at most' 768 and I'm uploading to someone else at 20KB/s
04:34.38geo-rgesomething really really light
04:35.16geo-rgeMarupa: then the total rate is 768
04:35.35Maruparight.  which 750 kbps + 20KB/s is > 768 kbps.
04:35.47geo-rgebtw, you might want to find out what he's doing specifically
04:35.59geo-rgemaybe drop his packets on the floor
04:36.23Marupawas thinking that.
04:36.29Marupajust iptable drop it?
04:36.51geo-rgefirst look at what he's trying to do
04:36.59geo-rgehave you looked at your logs
04:37.05Marupayeah
04:37.08geo-rgeand?
04:37.11Marupadownloading a movie.
04:37.26Marupawhich I don't know HOW he's downloading it if I haven't shown that directory to anyone.
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04:38.00geo-rgebrowsing dirs might be easy
04:38.08Marupanot if it's on a separate subdomain.
04:38.29geo-rgethen he's hacked in pretty deep, huh?
04:38.39geo-rgemaybe he's sniffing for your passwords
04:38.43Marupain an avi?
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04:39.17geo-rgethe point here is you may or may not know the -totality- of what he's doing and what he's done
04:39.30ameyerif someone is downloading something from a non-publically accessable directory, you might be pwnt
04:40.05ameyerespecially if there's an actual attempt at security, not just hiding it somewhere you hope they won't find it
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04:40.42Soletare the woody mirrors still working?
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04:41.10Marupaonce I shut down apache, his connection dropped entirely, though.
04:41.13Soleti've a really old machine, i dont know if it'll take sarge or etch...
04:41.26ameyerdefine "really old"
04:41.41Soletalso, anyone have a link to a floppy boot strapper that'll make a machine that otherwise wouldnt boot from cd do so
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04:42.05Solet98mb ram
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04:43.59mick_homehey guys -- sorry my box had gone down
04:44.04mick_homeback now
04:47.48geo-rgeis jade in debian?
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04:49.20ma3xhow do I change cpu freq with a command?
04:49.35Guerindepends
04:49.38eljefeSolet maybe try runt linux? distrowatch.com/runt
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04:49.59Max_-lol... just installe kde... now i type startx ... X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting.  ...   xinit: Server error.           I love this.
04:50.00eljefeit has a bootable floppy to redirect to another medium
04:50.07Max_-What is missing!?!?
04:51.26Max_-xserver-xorg-core ???
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04:51.44Rongostrangely, there are no symlinks to /etc/init.d/rc.local in any of the /etc/rc*.d directories.... is there a debian-friendly way to do that besides just making symlinks myself manually?
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04:52.55geo-rgeMax_-: do you understand how X is client/server?
04:53.06Max_-no
04:53.12Max_-well maybe
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04:53.22freezerhi
04:53.23Max_-xorg is a server and kde the client I guess?!?!?
04:53.25Max_-hi freespace
04:53.27Max_-ooops
04:53.29Max_-freezer :
04:53.33Marupaso is there any way to throttle on a per-ip basis?
04:53.40geo-rgeall the little programs are clients
04:53.50Max_-oh..
04:53.53geo-rgethey hook onto the server
04:53.58geo-rgehere's my point:
04:54.23geo-rgethe act of installing kde, is an act of installing lots and lots of clients
04:54.31freezerhi Max_-
04:54.32Max_-yeahhh...
04:54.42geo-rgeeven if you were to install kdm, that's another client
04:54.56Max_-or gnome
04:54.58freezerjust got my Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG
04:55.01geo-rgerighht
04:55.03Max_-or flux or anything I guess
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04:56.19Max_-geo-rge : .. I get the server/client thing.. now there are many packages for xserver!
04:57.30Max_-oh.. forget it.. if I install xserver-xorg, it gets itself xserver-xorg-core and many more.... lets try this  ... >.<
04:57.41geo-rgetry installing xserver-xorg
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05:02.04Max_-I've had so stupid bugs with ubuntu and gnome... traumas...
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05:03.57sharikahi i am using istanbul to record the screen with audio..but as i try to play the recorded theora i get the following error from totem http://www.pastebin.ca/722631
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05:04.17sharikawhat can be the problem?
05:04.33lfsHow to find out the details about /usr/lib/libc?
05:04.43lfsversion number and all that?
05:05.02Max_-works :D
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05:06.14geo-rgeMax_-: now that you've seen that... note that the server could be on a different machine
05:06.28Max_-:o
05:06.48Max_-:) I like that
05:06.56Max_-now... gotta setup my cam
05:07.08Max_-hope xawtv works as find under kde as gnome
05:07.23lfswhat is dpkg command to show installed packages?
05:07.27freezerprison break has started again!
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05:08.16sharikalfs: isnt it possible to just go to synaptic and look for the installed programs section there?
05:08.51lfsI want to run it through grep
05:09.06sharikaok:)
05:09.30simonrvnlibc6 doesn't 'live' in /usr
05:09.51intr80sharika : real admins run everything through grep :)
05:10.19sharikaok ok:)
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05:12.38nathan_I have been checking out debian coming from ubuntu
05:13.07nathan_I can't really see the difference except you can build it yourself and you can't use the official firefox
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05:13.27geo-rgeyou can't build ubuntu yourself?
05:13.27hrmphhhow can i make sure that my router and transport are being read in as part of config?
05:13.38nathan_I like debian better just because I don't really like all that bloated stuff that comes with ubuntu but, is there any other differences?
05:14.13lfsUbuntu uses Firefox?
05:14.18geo-rgeubuntu is generally starting with debian sid and they work on it for 6 months
05:14.25ma3xma3x:/home/ma3x# cpufreqd-set stable
05:14.25ma3xNo cpufreqd socket found
05:14.26lfsDebian is more free.
05:14.28ma3xwhy the hell is it showing that?
05:14.38ma3xI tried restarting the daemon, no help
05:14.38nathan_lfs: yeah it uses firefox
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05:15.06nathan_lfs: I'm talking about the actual OS, and I don't think there's any part of ubuntu that isn't free
05:15.35dondelelcarowhether or not there are parts of ubuntu that are free or not is not on topic here.
05:15.54nathan_I'm talking about debian captian no-life
05:16.31nathan_does debian allow drivers which aren't free?
05:16.57lfsDebian is completely open source as I understand it.
05:16.59dondelelcaronathan_: those that we can distribute are in non-free.
05:17.47stiv2kfsck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05:18.34nathan_I am having a hard time understanding that debian is more free than *untu, since both have non-free packages and I'm trying to get clear about what the differences really are
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05:20.41dondelelcaronathan_: non-free isn't part of Debian. We just distribute it
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05:22.17lfsHow do I show details for version of libray installed on my computer?
05:22.31Max-ohhh!! that's p*****g me!!! geo-rge! my KDE starts on it's own!!!
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05:22.37ma3xanyone help me with this please
05:22.40ma3xNo cpufreqd socket found
05:22.43nathan_you realize that debian developers could just make a bubbly interface and slap it on as an optional or default part of the install and it could be huge like ubuntu?
05:22.49ma3xwhy is showing taht error
05:22.56dondelelcaronathan_: what, you mean like installgui?
05:23.17lfsI thought Debian was huge
05:23.37dondelelcarofrankly, one of the things you'll learn eventually (or go crazy) is that most DDs don't care much about market share
05:24.10nathan_that's amazingly depressing to me
05:24.47dondelelcaronathan_: why? we're interested in making a techincally excellent distribution, not one that has the biggest market.
05:25.39Max-I just installed KDE and now it starts on it's own... :S  How do I prevent this?
05:25.52nathan_Max-: uninstall it
05:25.58dondelelcaroMax-: you installed kdm too, most likely. Just remove it
05:26.07dondelelcaroMax-: (or some other DM, like gdm, or xdm)
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05:27.28indravenii am having sony laptop, and  i want the motioneye (camera) and the Fn+F5/F6/F7 to work
05:27.31indravenihow can i do that
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05:27.50indravenii heard something about the sonypi pakcage, could some one help me out in getting that ?
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05:29.05freezeranyone uses kftpgrabber?
05:29.21Max-dondelelcaro : okay, tryin this, thanks!
05:29.30freezerif i use more than one thread
05:29.35freezerits slower than with one
05:29.39freezerhow can this be
05:29.43indraveniany help about my laptop please?
05:29.43Max-BTW my camera already works, I love Debian! .. yet! :D
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05:32.16freezeripw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting.
05:32.19freezergrrr
05:32.44Max-<PROTECTED>
05:33.46hrmphhhrm
05:33.50hrmphhanyone an exim ninja here?
05:33.58freezeri had this error before, with a 2200bg
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05:34.14McBanehi
05:34.15freezerand it was at bugtrack
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05:34.24freezerbut looks lite still is not fixed
05:36.18McBaneI have problems with the transfer rates of my samba installation (very low trnasfer rates). The people at #samba told me, that my realtek adapter is the cause(issues with speed and frame negociations). Is there a way to solve this problem? Maybe by the use of another driver?
05:37.16yigalindraveni: i can only give you general advice.  you will need to be very specific about the hardware you have in your laptop.
05:37.21niruhi all
05:37.30niruI have a sony PCG-4LBP laptop
05:37.33niru11.1''
05:37.42niru1366x768 resolution
05:37.59nirubut it does not work with an external monitor ie a projector
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05:38.13niruI am unable to switch to projector
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05:38.29yigalniru: you have tried to change your xorg.conf?
05:38.35indraveniyigal, our laptop is, VGN TZ17GN
05:38.42niruyigal, yes I have changed
05:38.55niruin the Screen section
05:38.59yigalniru: but no setting works with the projector.
05:39.04niruadded some lines for dri dcc support
05:39.08nirufreetype etc
05:39.16yigalniru: should have little to do with it
05:39.25niruyigal, for projector I did not touch xorg.conf
05:39.53yigalniru: you most likely will have to, unless you have an application that will modify it for you
05:39.58niruyigal, for support of projector what do I need to change in xorg.cong
05:40.07niruI have all laptop related packages
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05:40.42yigalniru: as far as I am aware you must add a section for the projector
05:41.28niruyigal, I have already tried it with a IBM laptop there I just added laptop related pkgs and it worked
05:41.35niruhere in sony why does it not work
05:41.43niruyigal, what is the process
05:41.47yigalniru: although, I do remember having some success, plugging the projector directly into my old laptop - however if you have not had success this is probably the reason.
05:42.09niruyigal, what is the procedure to do this
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05:43.24yigalniru: it will have to do with the specs of the projector, consider this xorg.conf: www.softorchestra.com/xorg/xorg.conf.toshiba.m2.projector.1280x1024
05:44.03yigalniru: do a search for projector on the website
05:44.18yigalyou may have to do something similar
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05:44.44niruyigal, doing the same
05:45.33niruyigal, is it necessary to give vendor name and model name too
05:46.08yigalniru: not at all, but you will have to know the general specs. for the projector
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05:50.45indraveniyigal, the similar way, is there any way for making the fn+F5 key to work for broghtnedd adjustment, etc
05:51.00indraveniin laptops? me and niru are working for the same laptop
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05:54.01kladizkovhow can i prevent drives from automounting in debian?
05:54.15kladizkovi think its done using HAL...
05:54.25kladizkovcan anyone help me...
05:54.29alphabeatusb drives?
05:55.23Rongoq
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05:58.42kladizkovyea...usb drives and some windows partitions...
05:59.17kladizkovalphabeat, is there a way to prevent it from mounting automatically...
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05:59.47Meglokladizkov, something to do with fstab? :/
06:00.10kladizkovnope...its done using HAL
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06:00.37kladizkovfstab noauto option can prevent it from mounting on "mount -a"
06:01.37free_penguinexcusz me; if penis ( #, ##, .., n#) , then is tail = ( ## + ### + ... + n# )?
06:01.49free_penguinexcusz me; if penis * ( #, ##, .., n#) , then is tail = ( ## + ### + ... + n# )?
06:02.46geo-rgewut dat?
06:02.59free_penguini like to remain an idiot
06:03.04free_penguinit makes me natural
06:03.10free_penguinand hold there
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06:04.07yigalindraveni: sorry, what exactly do you want to do wtih fn+F5?
06:04.36yigalI was watching a movie - still am, but I am multientertainment tasking
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06:05.18Guerin!ops free_penguin
06:05.18dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: free_penguin
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06:09.51squisherhmm, can anyone tell me why my core dump is much larger than my physical memory?
06:09.55UsiuHi
06:11.43sepsquisher, ram+swap+and cpu registers probably ?
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06:13.02stiv2khi, i just upgraded to xorg 7.3 and now my mouse doesn't work :S .... using nvidia on debian sid
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06:14.08squisherstiv2k: did you check what the log said?
06:14.52stiv2ksquisher: uh which log
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06:15.29intr80:q
06:15.30yigalstiv2k: Xorg what do you think?
06:15.35intr80derr, your not vim!
06:15.35squisherstiv2k: check /var/log/Xorg.*
06:15.53stiv2ksquisher: yigal: right, hold on
06:16.39UsiuHi
06:16.49Usiuis there user mode linux kernel patch for 2.6.22 ?
06:16.59stiv2ksquisher: well the synaptics driver was loaded it looks like
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06:18.14yigalstiv2k: the mouse doesn't work at all?
06:18.19stiv2kyigal: nope
06:18.23stiv2kheres the last few lines
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06:19.01stiv2kgrr
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06:19.07stiv2ki cant paste from one console to the other
06:19.09yigaldo you have a usb mouse you can stick in to check?
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06:19.21yigalif that works?
06:19.27tarzeausomeone knows why i can't build gcc 4.2.1 on etch? http://krum.ethz.ch/gcc_4.2.1-1_amd64.build
06:19.48yigaltarzeau: why would you want to? just use sid's?
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06:20.16stiv2kyigal: yeah i do one sec
06:20.16tarzeauyigal: i need to use etch, and the etch gcc has a problem
06:20.21tarzeauyigal: which is fixed with gcc 4.2+
06:20.44stiv2kyigal: check this out
06:20.51stiv2ksomeone in #sidux says
06:21.10stiv2kDAMMIT why cant i copy/pace in the console
06:21.14tarzeauyigal: http://www.ogre3d.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=226442&sid=ce193664e1d3d7c4af509e6f4e2718c6
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06:21.30stiv2k[#debian]
06:21.30jeffrinhello all
06:21.37stiv2kwhoa
06:21.42jeffrinwhich software has GNU install-info
06:22.10yigalstiv2k: funny :)
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06:23.35yigaltarzeau: I still don't know why you must compile it yourself and cannot use sid's gcc ?
06:23.36free_penguinwhat is the purpose of framework?
06:24.22yigalit gives order :)
06:25.15Crypticfortunestiv2k: (re mouse in console) aptitude install gpm
06:25.35stiv2kCrypticfortune: i have gpm
06:25.41sepstiv2k, becouse you havent bothered to learn how ?
06:25.47free_penguinyigal, thank you
06:25.48stiv2ksep: untrue
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06:25.59stiv2kshift+ins doesnt work, ctrl+v doesnt work, neither does clicking mouse3
06:26.14capiirahello
06:26.22tarzeauyigal: i'm trying to backport some software to etch
06:26.31tarzeauyigal: and you can't install the sid gcc on etch
06:26.36yigalstiv2k: you could install gnu screen and then cut and paste with the keyboard, but that is really quite a long process
06:26.44stiv2kheh
06:27.18free_penguinyigal, thank you
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06:29.21yigaltarzeau: are you planning on making a deb out of gcc 4.2?
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06:30.43tarzeauyigal: i wanted to yes, i did a gcc 4 deb for sarge (because of other compiler problems too)
06:31.03tarzeauyigal: the real plan is just to have packages of funguloids for etch
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06:32.13yigaltarzeau: how can someone resist funguloids :)
06:32.17GuHHHwhy my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.
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06:32.38tarzeauyigal: you know it?
06:33.05yigalits fun, played it once thats about it
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06:34.05yigaltarzeau: the next question, I guess is do you need 4.2 or is 4.1 enough?
06:35.03uttaraI am trying to install debian using "businesscard cd image" (amd64). But it keeps on giving me an error message saying that the particular mirror does not have the image for the architecture.
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06:35.36yigaluttara: try another mirror
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06:36.04tarzeauyigal: i need 4.2, because 4.1 fails
06:36.13uttaraI have tried out around 10 mirror now.
06:36.30uttaraI have an intel core 2 duo processor.
06:36.33tarzeauyigal: the failure is here: http://krum.ethz.ch/ogre_1.4.4-2_amd64.build
06:36.41uttaraIs that a problem
06:36.49GuHHHwhy my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.
06:37.34yigaltarzeau: the website you have showed that the normal ./configure make make install works with 4.1 it must have to do with the debian rules?
06:37.57tarzeauyigal: i don't think so, it fails because it's not 4.2 gcc, i'm pretty sure
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06:40.05Darkclaw55how can I append to this statement TEST=`find . -print | wc -l` ; and have it subtract the number 1?
06:41.23free_penguinbye
06:41.28free_penguini'll be back soon
06:41.34yigalbye, see you soon
06:41.37free_penguinok
06:41.38free_penguinbye
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06:42.44ameyernice fake ident free_penguin had
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06:43.11uttarasimilar to the windows installer, is there a linux installer available for debian. I am using ubuntu and would like to install debian.
06:43.34sep!debtakeover
06:43.35dpkgfrom memory, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin.
06:43.55sepwoody, now that was a bit old
06:44.19ameyerheh... Sue.M.E.
06:44.41ameyerironic how true that may have become
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06:48.03blqhi
06:50.04blqI accidentally unlinked /dev/storage/storage.. I thought this would be the counterpart to ln ... is it possible to get this back?
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06:52.34yigalblq: hard or soft link?
06:52.53Darkclaw55how can I append to this statement TEST=`find . -print | wc -l` ; and have it subtract the number 1?
06:53.02blqyigal: I just typed unlink /dev/storage/storage
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06:55.29yigalblq: if it was successful then you deleted the file, if it was just a link then not a problem if it wasn't a symbolic link then you will have to make the dev again. I think?
06:55.44yigals/just a link/just a symbolic link
06:56.37blqyigal: it was a logical volume
06:56.47blqyigal: lvscan still says it is there
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06:57.08yigalblq: no biggy then, it probably didn't work :)
06:57.09arturHi, i need content of file: /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_cl.xml:
06:57.15arturcan U copy it for me ?
06:57.38blqyigal: if I do ls -l /dev/storage/storage it says it isnt there anymore :<
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06:58.56yigalblq: I am just not familar with this area of linux, you need to make the dev, a reboot should do it, but there should be a way without a reboot
06:59.20blqhm..
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06:59.37yigalblq: what about a simple: invoke-rc.d udev restart ?
06:59.48blqyigal: sec.
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07:00.21blqBlackForge:~# ls -l /dev/storage/
07:00.22blqtotal 0
07:00.47blqlearning by doing (mistakes)
07:00.47geo-rgeis that good?
07:00.53blqthat's bad ..
07:01.09blq<PROTECTED>
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07:01.58yigalblq: just do a system restart and see if its there, also, strangely enough depmod -a
07:02.04simonrvnartur: fetch it from the .deb, don't ask random people on irc to give you files ... man dpkg; search for -x
07:02.27blqbrb
07:03.56SlimG2Could anyone reccommend me a DHCP webinterface (preferably PHP) that _just_ displays the current leases? (without beeing MySQL dependend)
07:04.18geo-rgeone you write?
07:04.58geo-rgehow hard is it to get the lease info
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07:05.38geo-rgecan you write a program that runs a loop, every time around the loop it simply touches a lease?
07:05.53bl4qre
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07:06.16blqyigal: okay it's baq again :)
07:06.30blqyigal: thankyou
07:06.46yigalblq: good, sorry I couldn't think of a better way to create the dev, and glad it works :)
07:07.01blqyigal: I m happy too :)
07:07.08SlimG2geo-rge: I'm currently seem to lack the PHP skills to create such an interface, I'm trying thou
07:07.33blqyigal: could you also tell me how to lease that link?  /dev/storage/storage -> /dev/mapper/storage-storage that was why I did that mistake ..
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07:07.48SlimG2geo-rge: What's the full name of the lease(s) file I should read the leases from?
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07:09.08geo-rgeSlimG2: on the other hand, can you write a program that first prints out "<table>" then loops from 1 to 10, each time thru the loop, you write out "<tr><td>YOW! I think I COULDN'T have had a v8!</td></tr>"
07:09.25blqyigal: I started to format that volume when I noticed that I forgot to specify a name for it, so I pressed ctrl+c - big mistake :(
07:09.39geo-rgeand then after the loop is done, writes "</table>"
07:09.57geo-rgeif you can learn to do any of those things, you can learn to do the rest
07:10.16geo-rgeI've split the problem into two learning situations
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07:11.07SlimG2geo-rge: the problem for me is to properly parse the lease(s) file into a array
07:11.49geo-rgeso none of that other stuff is a problem at all? been there? done that? ate the hot dog? got the teeshirt?
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07:13.04SlimG2geo-rge: ate the hot dog yes, If you could supply me with the name of the ISC DHCP lease(s) file I should be reading leases from I'd be well underway though
07:13.05geo-rge(if you can get that second one done, you can use it when you get the lease thing going
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07:13.24geo-rge)
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07:13.41geo-rgeI don't know myself what file that is
07:13.47SlimG2mkay
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07:14.13geo-rgebut I wonder if the source code of the dhcp server would show how it reads that file
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07:15.38misreckoningaptitude reports many "untrusted" packages when I did dist-upgrade to lenny from etch... should I proceed anyway (as it asks) ?
07:15.58simonrvn/topic
07:16.23misreckoninghehe :)
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07:17.28blqould you tell me how to lease that link?  /dev/storage/storage -> /dev/mapper/storage-storage I created this by mistake and don't know how to make it undone ..
07:17.50blq"link" or what ever this is :/
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07:18.27misreckoningsimonrvn: I think I didn't get the answer from dpkg :/
07:18.31geo-rgelooks like a volume group named storage which contains a logical volume named storage
07:18.31blqif I do umount it says it isnt mounted
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07:19.12blqah lol - I am stupid - sorry
07:19.24blq*head @ wall*
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07:19.40geo-rgethat could damage your head :)
07:20.24blqthanks for the warning *g
07:20.59SlimG2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head@wall#symptoms
07:21.48blqhehe
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07:23.36nodesktophow can I automatically delete /tmp/seahorse-* and /tmp/ssh-* directories which are not needed anymore?
07:24.21geo-rgeyou could mount a ramdisk on /tmp
07:24.24sinemy system clock is allways an hour fast even if i set it in the bios and in linux it allways reverts back for some reason
07:24.36xandsine: maybe your timezone is wrong
07:24.41nodesktopgeo-rge: I have, but that doesn't solve it (note that /tmp is cleaned on bootup anyway)
07:24.42sinein the bios ?
07:24.45geo-rgesine: look into time zone
07:24.53geo-rgeno in linux
07:25.37geo-rgenodesktop: what is the actual problem you're having?
07:25.56nodesktopgeo-rge: not really a problem, but /tmp just gets too full
07:26.15geo-rgewhen/why does this become a problem
07:26.28blqarghs, since I cancelet mkfs via ctrl+c I can't format the volume, it always says: /dev/storage/storage is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! :<
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07:27.36geo-rgesee if you can unmount it
07:28.25geo-rgewhat is this thing you're mounting anyways?
07:28.27free_penguinnext_idiot ::== (h, next_idiot);;
07:28.28blqumount: /dev/storage/storage: not mounted
07:28.33nodesktopblq: try a force parameter if there's one...
07:29.00simonrvnfree_penguin: will you be quiet please? if you have nothing constructive to say, to be quiet.
07:29.08blqgeo-rge: it's a logical volume, umount: /dev/storage/storage: not mounted
07:29.09geo-rgeblq: look at mount, look at what is mounted
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07:29.56blqgeo-rge: /dev/storage/storage -> /dev/mapper/storage-storage, umount: /dev/mapper/storage-storage: not mounted
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07:30.23geo-rgestill, do this:
07:30.24geo-rgeblq: look at mount, look at what is mounted
07:30.49blqgeo-rge: it isn't listed there
07:30.57geo-rgehmm
07:31.06blqsry
07:31.08geo-rgeand also not listed in df?
07:31.18blqnope
07:31.41blqI happened when I formated it and cancelt the progress by ctrl+c
07:31.43geo-rgeso this is a logical volume...
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07:31.47blq*swears he will never do that*
07:32.05geo-rgeand it's called storage
07:32.12blqyes
07:32.20geo-rgeand it's using space in a volume group called storage
07:32.22geo-rgeright so far
07:32.26geo-rge?
07:32.27blqyes
07:32.51blqlogical volume "storage" in the physical volume group "storage"
07:32.55geo-rgeok, what are the pvs in vol group "storage"
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07:33.02cab_hi all
07:33.08blqhi
07:33.09geo-rgemaybe vgscan?
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07:34.18geo-rgeso these are both in storage
07:34.29cab_i need to see  some flash website with debian 4 for sparc cpu , is this possible ?
07:34.32blqyes
07:34.37blqFound volume group "storage" using metadata type lvm2 <-
07:35.06geo-rgecareful with the pasting... bot get mad...
07:35.15geo-rgedpkg: are you mad?
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07:35.33blqok
07:36.04geo-rgewhat do you want to do exactly?
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07:36.33blqI want to format storage to ext3
07:36.46geo-rgeso all 256 gigs?
07:37.11blqonly the 250GiB that are in the hidden truecrypt volume
07:37.21simonrvnyou need lvs too...
07:37.28simonrvnLVs
07:37.32mmcWhat's the meaning of "Ign" (at line beginning) in the output of "apt-get update"?
07:37.35geo-rgeyes I know that part
07:37.39simonrvnignore
07:37.43blqI can access the truecrypt volume without probs
07:37.44geo-rgeiganory
07:37.56free_penguinmmc, 'I'm Going iN'. it's a computer game
07:37.56mmcsimonrvn: sure, but why is it getting ignored?
07:38.06geo-rgealready has that one?
07:38.28simonrvnbecause it already fetched it
07:39.09geo-rgethis truecrypt vol, is it also on storage?
07:39.27mmcsimonrvn: and what is "Hit" then?
07:39.38blqyes
07:39.52blqbut I can open it without problems
07:39.53geo-rgeok, I'm losing what the shape of this thing is
07:39.58blq:(
07:40.29geo-rgethis vg is composed of two physical vols
07:40.34free_penguingeo-rge, because the data structure is sum type
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07:40.49simonrvnmmc: actually no, ign is when there's some problem, but not 404, and hit is already fetched not getting (goes by timestamp and other stuff)
07:40.51blqah I think I see the problem
07:41.04blqI should go to bed and stop vaste your time..
07:41.17simonrvnmmc: i'm missing part of it, man apt-get covers it i think
07:41.29blqif I open a truecrypt volume it'S mapped to /mapper/truecryptN
07:41.29Darkclaw55<PROTECTED>
07:41.50simonrvnDarkclaw55: \n; \r is meaningless
07:41.53geo-rgetry \n and -e
07:41.57simonrvnDarkclaw55: no ;
07:42.04geo-rge\r is return
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07:42.10geo-rge\n is linefeed
07:42.22geo-rgeso it does have meaning
07:42.28simonrvnit's a carriage return, useless in a script unless you're doing http or smtp or such
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07:42.41geo-rgebut echo won't do it unless you give it -e
07:42.47Darkclaw55\n got it thanks
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07:43.18UsiuHi
07:43.21UsiuAnybody here?
07:43.29geo-rgeyou are
07:43.39blqgeo-rge: ok... I just had to use /dev/mapper/truecrypt0 where it got mapped after opening it with truecrypt, I forgot that.. maybe I should sleep a bit ... sorry for wasting your time ...
07:43.57Usiucurrent xserver-xorg-video-i810 makes blank screen
07:44.07simonrvntry -intel
07:44.07Usiufor my intel card
07:44.16UsiuI reported bug in march
07:44.36geo-rgeI reported march in bug!
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07:44.54simonrvngeo-rge: your bugs march? damn, mine just eat my socks
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07:45.43Usiugeo-rge, thanks for help and BYE
07:46.13simonrvn*blink*
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07:46.41geo-rgesimonrvn unfortunately my bugs march right on in
07:46.45simonrvngeo-rge: do you know what just happened?
07:46.50free_penguini don't like google search cus' i don't know how to specify language when searching
07:46.55free_penguinin search string
07:46.58geo-rgeno, what just happened?
07:47.02free_penguinas operator
07:47.06simonrvnfree_penguin: i don't care
07:47.17simonrvnaaah, peace
07:47.32blqfree_penguin: hl=de
07:47.39simonrvngeo-rge: that interchange with Usiu
07:47.42blqfree_penguin: for german afaik
07:47.54free_penguinblq, wow tyvm
07:47.56free_penguinill try it
07:48.05blqfree_penguin: wait that was wrong
07:48.17blqfree_penguin: &meta=lr%3Dlang_de
07:48.22blqfree_penguin: that's for getman
07:48.26blqfree_penguin: german
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07:49.17blqfree_penguin: &meta=lr%3Dlang_ru <- russian
07:49.24simonrvngah, mutt just went boom on me
07:49.33geo-rgesimonrvn: not sure... I know I reversed his marching bug...
07:49.44simonrvnheh
07:50.10geo-rgewhat did you mean?
07:50.11free_penguinblq, ok
07:50.14geo-rgebtw :)
07:50.25FordCortinahow do you get gnome to use gksu instead of trying to run a program that needs root privilages as root?
07:50.31geo-rgeI see you're confused... but about what part?
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07:50.42wsdo_okadrcan I have two instances of X running ?
07:50.53simonrvnyes
07:50.54wsdo_okadrone of them is forwarding to another machine
07:50.59wsdo_okadrand the other is running local
07:51.02wsdo_okadrcan I have this ?
07:51.03geo-rgeyep
07:51.09wsdo_okadrhow do I open the second one ?
07:51.23simonrvngeo-rge: doesn't matter i'm starting to fade to sleepy time, i'm not always coherent
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07:51.28geo-rgedo you have xdm running on the "another machine"?
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07:51.47wsdo_okadrno
07:51.54geo-rgeinstall it there
07:52.01wsdo_okadrno no
07:52.05geo-rgethen on the local, you can run:
07:52.06wsdo_okadrwhy do I need this xdm ?
07:52.12wsdo_okadrok ...
07:52.12geo-rgeso you can log in
07:52.18wsdo_okadron the local I run what ?
07:52.33FordCortinasorry i didn't mean gksu, i want gnome to use SUDO
07:53.05dayain which section should I specify the frequency parameter in xorg.conf file,
07:53.22geo-rgeeither on the normal x server you run xnest :1 -query ip.of.anohter.machine
07:53.24geo-rgeor
07:53.24dayafor eg. for 1024x768 I want to keep 60HZ
07:53.32geo-rgeas root, you run
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07:53.52geo-rgeX vt8 :1 -query ip.of.anohter.machine
07:53.54wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: I already am running X -query IP
07:54.04wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: now I need to open another X for my local machine
07:54.11wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how do I do that ?
07:54.20free_penguinblq, can we do search query with compound search operators?
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07:55.06geo-rgedaya: you -really- want to harm your eyesight that much?
07:55.17wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: please can you help ?
07:55.23blqfree_penguin: I think so
07:55.32geo-rgeyou could run startx
07:55.40geo-rgeor you could install xdm locally
07:55.49wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how would I xdm locally ?
07:56.00dayageo-rge, Ha , no I want to specify 60 hz for 1024x768, but default is 85,
07:56.23geo-rgeif you're running X -query IP, that X will come up on vt7 :0
07:56.42wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: startx gives "X server already open for display 0"
07:56.46geo-rgedaya: what's wrong with 80?
07:56.50geo-rgeerr 95
07:57.06dayageo-rge, no the screen becomes quite large,
07:57.21dayageo-rge, when i placed in 60 its all right,
07:57.37geo-rgetry startx -- vt8 :1
07:57.38blqfree_penguin: &lr=lang_fr <- language &as_filetype=dwf <- filetype &as_occt=title <- just looking in title &as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=debian.org <- only in links with debian.org in it
07:58.00wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: I've just tried X :1 and it seemed to work ...
07:58.02blqfree_penguin: you can add them all behind each other like: e&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_fr&as_ft=i&as_filetype=dwf&as_qdr=m2&as_occt=title&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=debian.org&as_rights=&safe=images
07:58.16wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: but if I switch to the other X and back again I loose the new X
07:58.38geo-rgewhy do you lose it?
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07:59.05geo-rgeand how do you go "back again"
07:59.24wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: tty7 is usually X right ?
07:59.43wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how do I open a new is in some givem tty ?"
07:59.47evilgeekhm.  i forget --- how does one use mkinitrd to build an initrd image for a kernel other than the one currently running?
08:00.30geo-rgetry tty8
08:00.33geo-rgeanything there?
08:01.41wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: yes
08:01.46wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: it's there alright :)
08:01.52wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how do I open a kdm in it then /
08:01.53wsdo_okadr?
08:02.05geo-rgewhat I would do if I were you...
08:02.12geo-rgeclose them both
08:02.31geo-rgethen install kdm on the local (that's what you want right?)
08:02.37geo-rgeand let it come up
08:02.41wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: but I have kdm on local
08:02.52wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how do I tell kdm to start in display 1 ?
08:02.58wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: that's what I need now
08:03.04wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: and I would be about done
08:03.06geo-rgeoh, you can configure it to do that
08:03.12simonrvnconfigure it to do so
08:03.15wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: very nice ,how ?
08:03.16geo-rgenot sure where the config files fo that are
08:03.24wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: can't I just give it a param or smth ?
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08:03.37geo-rgethat's what you would be doing
08:03.57geo-rgeexcept said param written in config file
08:04.00geo-rgeBUT
08:04.04geo-rgewait a sec :)
08:04.21geo-rgedont you want your local x to be on tty7?
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08:06.29DustyBinSys Temp:    +34°C  (high =   -23°C, hyst =  +125°C)
08:06.29DustyBinCPU Temp:  +31.0°C  (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C)
08:06.30DustyBinAUX Temp:  +47.0°C  (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C)
08:07.25wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: my forwarded X is in tty7(where I am also talking from now)
08:07.33wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: the local X however is in tty8
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08:07.37geo-rgeand that's what you want?
08:07.44wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: yes but its
08:07.51wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: it's just an plain X open
08:07.56wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: I cannot log in it
08:08.02wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: I can't do nothing with it
08:08.09geo-rgehmm
08:08.09wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: there's a gray screen with a cross cursor
08:08.16wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how do I open KDM in it ?
08:08.17geo-rgethat's just X
08:08.24geo-rgego to it
08:08.26geo-rgekill it off
08:08.41geo-rgethat's the one for local?
08:08.45wsdo_okadrwhy should I kill it ?
08:08.48wsdo_okadrit's the local one
08:09.00geo-rgethere's nothing on it, right?
08:09.03wsdo_okadrI just want to open a kdm in it and I would be done (because I would be able to login it_)
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08:09.06wsdo_okadryes
08:09.09wsdo_okadrthere is nothing on t
08:09.11wsdo_okadr*it
08:09.19geo-rgelet kdm start your x
08:09.25wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how ?
08:09.29geo-rgethat's the normal thing
08:09.38wsdo_okadrhow do I do that ?
08:09.39geo-rgewe already know X starts fine
08:09.41geo-rgeyes?
08:09.43wsdo_okadryes
08:09.44wsdo_okadrthat's right
08:09.57geo-rgeit works, it's configured, it looks ok?
08:10.15wsdo_okadruhm no , because I just get a lame gray screen and a cross and nothing else
08:10.27geo-rgebut the screen is clear?
08:10.32wsdo_okadryes
08:10.41geo-rgelooks fine other than the fact it's blank?
08:10.52geo-rgenot all blury and problem and whatever
08:10.55geo-rge?
08:11.27wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: why do you mock me ?
08:11.48geo-rgeam I? I'm just making sure your x is working
08:11.59wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: my X is working right , can we get passed that ?
08:12.06wsdo_okadrgeo-rge: how do I open a kdm in it /
08:12.07wsdo_okadr?
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08:13.11geo-rgethe -easiest- way,
08:13.27DustyBinthis room
08:13.39geo-rgeis to kill off the x you have on both sides,
08:14.09geo-rge(which means your irc client temporarily is killed, you'll have to restart it)
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08:14.23geo-rgethen you install kdm on the local machine
08:14.36geo-rgeonce this is done, you'll get a local login prompt
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08:14.50geo-rgeunderstand so far?
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08:15.20geo-rgeby the way, I'm fairly busy... you might want to respond faster
08:16.56geo-rgeDustyBin: do any stereo-typical looking geeks visit your room?
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08:20.14jupjuphey guys,
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08:22.01geo-rgeDustyBin: now that you bring up the question, you make me curious
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08:25.41SETKEH-NRNShttp://setkeh.bravehost.com/linux.htm for info on the teamspeak server i run for linux
08:26.09geo-rgeheyyyyy! teeeeeeeeeeeeem speeeeeeeek!
08:26.15geo-rgeumm what's that?
08:26.31sepgeo-rge, voip software for gamers
08:26.33SETKEH-NRNSwww.teamspeak.com for mor info on teamspeak lol
08:26.50SETKEH-NRNSand in this case for linux users :D
08:26.50geo-rgeoic
08:27.22geo-rgedo we HAVE to run linux?@!
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08:27.42geo-rgeno, seriously, that's kinda cool :)
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08:28.22SETKEH-NRNSdpont have to run linux im not at the moment lol because my wireless is buggerd on it lol
08:28.34geo-rgehmm sorry to hear that
08:28.37fridoHi, anybody using debian's openvpn in bridge mode with windows XPsp2 client ? I have problem with speed, it's still 10Mbps :(
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08:38.12john_doeHow do I find out what files are installed by a given package?
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08:43.36ma3xwhy is there no 'pidgin' in backports?
08:43.53Eulexbecause nobody backported it?
08:43.53geo-rgejohn_doe: dpkg should be able to do that (dpkg --help to see how)
08:44.50ma3xEulex, why don't you backport it?
08:45.22Eulexma3x, why don't you?
08:45.32ma3xEulex, I don't run unstable
08:45.36geo-rgebecause you're the one asking for it :P
08:45.57geo-rgegrow a ball...or two... try it
08:46.01Eulexma3x, neither do I. but you don't need to run unstable.
08:46.23Eulexor, rather, you need to run stable to backport to stable
08:46.23ma3xEulex, can I build the package on stable too?
08:46.29Eulexma3x, yes.
08:46.29ma3xreally?
08:46.30ma3xhow?
08:46.40Eulexma3x, /msg dpkg simple sid backport
08:47.46daliaswhats is backports?
08:48.01ma3xEulex, E: Build-Depends dependency for pidgin cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libsilc-dev can satisfy version requirements
08:48.07ma3xdalias, I'm looking for pidgin
08:48.13ma3xit's not in backports
08:48.24john_doegeo-rge: thanks
08:48.40geo-rgenp
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08:49.33geo-rgema3x: so you try to also backport libsilc
08:50.32ma3xE: Unable to find a source package for libsilc-dev
08:50.42jelly-homeor try to get away with whatever version is available in stable, it works sometimes
08:51.07ma3xjelly-home, it's not notifying me on new mails
08:51.18ma3xwhy use gaim when there is pidgin available
08:51.52geo-rgema3x: try libsilc
08:51.59ma3xdamn I hate athlons
08:52.12geo-rgethe -dev is just a piece of that lib
08:52.21ma3xif I leave my cpu to the original 2,2 GHz it overheats and shuts down
08:52.36ma3xI always have to lower it down to 1,8 GHz so that it won't explode
08:52.42jelly-homema3x: I meant the build-dependency, not the app itself
08:53.18ma3xjelly-home, that's what it gives when I do build-dep
08:53.54geo-rgeand I'm just saying that's an indication your journey is made longer by the need to also backport that lib
08:53.57jelly-homema3x: you can still do apt-get source packagename and manually fix the Build-Depends to what is available in stable
08:54.34ma3xjelly-home, how do I manually fix the build-deps
08:54.45Shadur... AUGH.
08:54.57jelly-homema3x: get the source, mess with source-dir/debian/control
08:54.59ma3xwhat's up shadur
08:55.07geo-rgejelly-home: he's not believing me...
08:55.07ma3xjelly-home, I see
08:55.20ShadurNote to self: Do not apt-get upgrade gnome-network-manager from a remote location. Apparently it resets the network settings regardless of whether it's actually supposed to manage them.
08:55.56ma3xheh, I'm on kde here :p
08:56.25jelly-homeShadur: reporten bug?
08:57.53free_penguinheheh
08:58.11ma3xjelly-home, can you refer me to easy guide how to mess with pidgin-2.2.1 pidgin_2.2.1.orig.tar.gz pidgin_2.2.1-1.diff.gz?
08:58.38jelly-homema3x: use an editor
08:58.58ma3xwhat kind of editor?
08:59.49jelly-homema3x: no, I can't.  You'll need to figure out the format of control file and adapt the dependencies to what is available in stable, so your source would build
08:59.55ma3xah I get this again
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08:59.59ma3xE: Build-dependencies for pidgin could not be satisfied.
09:00.04jelly-homema3x: text editor
09:00.16ma3xI can't build it because the dependencies required to configure the package cannot be satisfied
09:00.33jelly-homema3x: that's the place when you get to EDIT the build dependencies
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09:01.04ma3xin control?
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09:01.28ma3xbut you see the message is not verbose E: Build-dependencies for pidgin could not be satisfied.
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09:01.37ma3xit doesn't tell me what exactly can't be installed
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09:02.31lyakhon a freshly installed etch /dev/i2c* device nodes are not created by udev, why?
09:02.46jelly-homema3x: so go thru each entry yourself and see what's available on your repos
09:02.56ma3xjelly-home, yeah I'll work 3 hours on it
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09:03.47jelly-homema3x: or you can do what geo-rge said and backports the dependencies too
09:03.51jelly-home;-)
09:03.52ma3xgeo-rge, what suggestion
09:03.59ma3xbut you can't
09:04.00ma3xI tried
09:04.05jelly-home<geo-rge> ma3x: so you try to also backport libsilc
09:04.48ma3xbackport? install?
09:05.10geo-rgeyou do what you're planning on doing with the original app...
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09:05.16geo-rge<PROTECTED>
09:05.49geo-rge<PROTECTED>
09:05.57jelly-homema3x: repeat the "simple sid backport" procedure for libsilc, too, so that it creates debs you need to install, to build your app
09:06.21geo-rgeexact-a-marsdo!
09:06.35geo-rgemust... have... chimichanga...
09:06.41geo-rgeand sooooop
09:06.46jelly-homemmmMexican
09:07.20ma3xE: Unable to find a source package for libsilc
09:07.26ma3xyiou see?
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09:08.49jelly-homema3x: tell it the exact package name that exists in unstable
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09:09.31Guerinjelly-home: i see you are engaging in the futile exercise known as `trying to get through to ma3x'
09:09.40ma3xlibsilc-1.1-2
09:10.05ma3xyou're right kernel!
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09:10.15jelly-homeGuerin: it's either get riled up or drink copious amounts of coffee to wake up
09:10.43jelly-homeGuerin: and I'm not even sure how much is "copious"
09:12.03jelly-homema3x: after you build and install libsilc, repeat the procedure or every other unavailable build dependency
09:12.08jelly-home*for
09:12.34ma3xok jelly
09:12.55ma3xif you update both lines src and deb, it won't show you which package is missing
09:13.15ma3xif you only update src line with sid , it's saying libsilc
09:13.23wols_!Pidgin
09:13.23dpkgsomebody said pidgin was formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch.  Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list.
09:13.38wols_ma3x: see this? go there download it. install it
09:13.39jelly-homeand if you get pidgin to build eventually, upload it to backports.org so that other people don;t have to do it themselves :-)
09:13.46wols_jelly-home: now you can sleep a little onger
09:13.50wols_*longer
09:13.56jelly-homewols_: that's not fun at all
09:14.15ma3xjelly-home, haven't you slept enough or you slept too much?
09:14.18wols_but saner than a ma3x built backports package
09:14.59ma3xwols_, I build ship 10000 packages a day ;p
09:15.36wols_ma3x: explains why postal service is so spotty
09:15.40jelly-homeget a job at Canonical :>
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09:16.10ma3xwols_, yeah sometimes traffic is a problem
09:16.11wols_jelly-home: what does canonical ship?
09:16.17ma3xcanon printers
09:16.17geo-rgeubuntu
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09:17.02jelly-home^^
09:17.43lyakhthanks, "modprobe i2c-dev":-)
09:18.06Guerinjelly-home: is it even possible to drink enough coffee to simulate that level of riled-upness?
09:19.06wols_depends how you classify a caffeine poisoning
09:19.12jelly-homeGuerin: I could combine coffee, cola and regurgitated bile.
09:19.15wols_if you're willing to get one, it'S possible
09:19.40Guerinmm, yummeh
09:19.41jelly-home(sp?)
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09:21.13ma3xGuerin's willing to get a soda bicarbona
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09:24.55jelly-homewoah, they offers buildds for anyone. http://www.ubuntu.com/news/launchpad-personal-package-archive
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09:32.17Guerinma3x: i bought a soda stream machine the other day
09:32.22Guerinit's awesome, too
09:32.44ma3xGuerin, you're crazy
09:32.45Guerinjelly-home: have they freed launchpad yet?
09:32.54Guerinma3x: was that ever in dispute?
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09:34.53SlimG2Is it possible (how?) to determin what OS a dhcp client is using from the "uid" value in the leases file?
09:35.22GuerinSlimG2: not to any significant degree of accuracy
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09:36.49SlimG2Guerin: What does "uid" tell? maby you've got any documentation/link I can read regarding the specification of "uid" ?
09:37.03pocukrani!paste
09:37.04dpkgPlease do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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09:37.41Gueringeo-rge: uid doesn't tell you very fucking much.
09:37.55Guerinhm, how did I pick geo-rge at random
09:38.00GuerinSlimG2: ↑
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09:38.10pocukranii have problems with apt-get update: http://paste.debian.net/38593
09:38.53Guerinpocukrani: LANG=C apt-get update; paste again in English
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09:39.12Guerinpocukrani: since we're not all slovenian
09:39.19Guerinor slovakian
09:39.36Guerinor whatever iron curtain language that is :)
09:40.19pocukranislovenian
09:40.19pocukrani:>
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09:40.27pocukraniGuerin, http://paste.debian.net/38594
09:41.14Guerinpocukrani: the http://wine.budgetdedicated.com repo is fucked. comment or delete it and try again
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09:41.44pocukranii don`t have it in sources.list
09:42.21Guerinpocukrani: cna you post sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy; ?
09:43.10pocukraniGuerin, http://paste.debian.net/38595
09:43.54Guerinpocukrani: the second bit too?
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09:44.02pocukranisek.
09:44.03Guerinsince that's actually the important bit
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09:44.39pocukraniGuerin, http://paste.debian.net/38597
09:44.42pocukranihere is
09:44.51pocukranihow i can delete it?
09:44.52Guerinthanks mate
09:45.14Guerinhm, i don't see why it should be trying at all
09:45.23Roninis he mixing and matching releases Guerin? im too damn tired to read straight
09:45.43Roninnope he not
09:45.48GuerinRonin: not according to sources.list, but according to ap[t-cache policy he is
09:46.16Guerinpocukrani: can you afford to delete all the packages downloaded so far?
09:46.23themillGuerin: the budgetdedicated repo works nicely for wine if you call it dapper/main not etch ;) But don't tell anyone else that....
09:46.30Guerinhaha
09:46.41Roninheh
09:46.55Guerinthat still doesn't explain why it's trying to pull it in without a sources.list entry
09:47.04themilltrue
09:47.22Guerintry apt-get clean
09:47.25Guerinthat might fix it
09:47.34pocukraniGuerin, not realy
09:47.40Guerinmm.
09:47.46Guerinmove the packages aside then
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09:48.28Guerinthough even that should be irrelevant
09:49.32pocukraniapt-get clean not help
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09:49.58MrParityhi ho :-)
09:50.00themillI'd be interested in seeing the output of apt-get update --print-uris
09:50.15themillGuerin: sources.list.d :(
09:50.18voidmain2nvidia-glx will not install, it complains that a dependancy cannot be resolved. so I'm attempting to resolve that dependancy by compiling the linux kernel module myself.  However the nvidia kernel module complains that my kernel was compiled with a different version of gcc than the one I am using. So now I need to compile my kernel, however, make menuconfig is not working is that debian specific?
09:50.24Guerinoh, of course
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09:50.30Guerini always forget about that
09:50.32Risjhhi
09:50.50themillGuerin: yeah... it's wonderful for admins and a nightmare for support.
09:50.54Guerinheh
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09:51.42pocukranithemill, paste i apt--get update --print--uris ?
09:51.49pocukranithemill, paste i apt-get update --print--uris ?
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09:52.05MrParityi have a question about aptitude. i have local mounted dvds and i want to install packages from there. aptitude tells me, that it doesn't trust the packages. ok, i see there is no Release.gpg on the dvds, but i trust them anyway! ;-) what can i do to avoid this warning?
09:52.10themillpocukrani: can you have a look in the directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ... do you have anything in there
09:52.13Risjhhi, i was about to install Debian on my laptop. I was wondering which iso should i downoad, i saw some debian-xfce and debian-kde ones, but should i just download the cd-1 iso from the list? and then just choose my window manager later on? say i want to have more than one and later switch between them?
09:52.33Shadurvoidmain2: use the nvidia-kernel-source package and make-kpkg
09:52.39pocukranithemill, it`s clear
09:52.44voidmain2thanks I'll try that
09:52.45GuerinMrParity: get the key from whwerever you got the cd images
09:52.47themilldoh!
09:52.58MrParityRisjh: what's about the netinst image?
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09:53.14RisjhMrMagic, i should download the netinst image?
09:53.22MrParityGuerin: but the dvd's are not signed
09:53.41RisjhMrMagic, thats 160MB i think, i was wondering if a 657MB or somehting ( the cd-1 ) would be better
09:53.56Risjherr, MrParity
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09:54.19UsiuHi
09:54.28lyakhwhat's the correct way to deal with user-ids?
09:54.36MrParityRisjh: well, the netisnt will install a minimum system and it is easy to install aditional packages from the server
09:54.50lyakhsay, I have a few systems with several registered users with the same IDs
09:54.57lyakhso far without LDAP or whatever
09:54.58RisjhMrMagic, hmm, i would need to burn it to a cd then?
09:55.10lyakhnow I'm installing a new etch system
09:55.24lyakhthe IDs conflict with some system users
09:55.29geo-rgestrange xen networking setups... getting the networking from the eth card to a domU without touching the dom0 until after the domU firewalled em... if you know how to do this, ##xen wants YOU!
09:55.33lyakhI can (try to) fix it manually
09:55.33MrParityRisjh: yes, you need to burn it
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09:55.50lyakhmove system users to other IDs and there "home" directories
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09:56.15RisjhMrParity, ok, actually i was thinking of a 600~ one coz then the CD would also be utilized completely :P
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09:56.20ShadurHmm, tcng/tcc question: I've got a traffic shaper with a few dozen customers behind it, all being shaped with HTB via a tcng-generated script. Working pretty well, but now one particular customer wants their bandwidth to our datacenter to be unrestricted. Back when I just used tc from a shellscript I could just add two hierarchical classes and assign a higher priority to the more specific one, but I can't seem to find the tcng syntax to make that work he
09:56.34lyakhbut... I can miss some files
09:56.46RoninRisjh: or use a cd-rw and nothings wasted, course cds are dirt cheap so its not really a problem either way
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09:57.16RisjhRonin, ok thanks :)
09:57.49pocukrani:/
09:58.17lyakheven if I had an LDAP server - a fresh install would anyway first install system users without regard to it, right?
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09:58.58lyakhand my existing users come from my old SuSE installs and use UIDs 100, 101,...
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09:59.04geo-rgetrue, because system users can't login anyway
09:59.17geo-rgewell they can be sued to
09:59.30ma3xwhat's the aspect ratio of this : http://paste.debian.net/38598
09:59.47MrParityRisjh: but there is no differens if you install the utilities from the cd or from a server
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10:00.23RisjhMrParity, yeah. i know. But i am on a 256Kbps line, so you know it sucks to wait for binaries to be downloaded :(
10:00.25lyakhgeo-rge, right, so, how do I migrate?
10:00.39lyakhsay, I'm upgrading my desktop
10:00.57lyakhI might just let it create new UIDs
10:01.07lyakhthen I have to transfer my /home/x
10:01.19MrParityRisjh: where do you get you cd from?
10:01.20lyakhjust chown -R isn't good
10:01.45RisjhMrParity, ill download that one, 600~ would take a night, 160 would take around >1 hour
10:01.47themillGuerin: is this too complicated to ask people to do, do you think: for i in /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*; do echo "#### $i"; cat "$i"; done) | paste2pastebin.pl
10:01.57lyakhthere are some files owned by root there too, from various build directories
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10:02.05geo-rgewhat if you collect the names and uid/gids and the other interesting fields of /etc/passwd
10:02.13RisjhMrParity, though i have the ubuntu cd, i want debian :)
10:02.21geo-rgestick em in a text file
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10:03.15lyakhgeo-rge, and?
10:03.25iguannai have installed a software compiling and building from source code, and now i want to remove this software and to install a newer version, how do i remove it?
10:03.39geo-rgewrite a script to create those...
10:03.54geo-rgemaybe ignore 0 and anything above 100 or 200
10:03.58themilliguanna: is this pidgin that you were building yesterday?
10:04.11iguannano
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10:04.31lyakhah, ok, there are only fewer than 5 users, of which only one is difficult enough - myself
10:04.36iguannait's monkeystudio.
10:04.48themilliguanna: did you make a .deb out of it?
10:05.05lyakhbut I think, I'd rather migrate to new UIDs - good time now
10:05.24iguannanomasteryoda, i installed from source code, if i had a .deb i will do dpkg
10:05.52lyakhalthough... damn, too much stuff around with old UIDs
10:06.02iguannathemill, sorry, i had a problem with my keyboard
10:06.23iguannai meant, i don't have a .deb
10:06.24themilliguanna: if you're luck, then you make uninstall will work. If you're not, then you're out of luck.
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10:07.23iguannaok, i will see if i am lucky
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10:09.39geo-rgewell if you're out of luck... you could try to redirect the output of make -n install to a file and see if you can find where it puts everything
10:10.53themilliguanna: the other thing you can look at is checkinstall -- it's a way of creating a .deb out of make install. For next time...
10:13.13iguannathemill, the install command? ok, thanks, i am lucky today.
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10:14.09themilliguanna: heh... good to hear. Look into checkinstall if you do this sort of thing often.
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10:21.47lyakhok, now there's something broken. "ps -ef" shows numerical UIDs for several system processes, even some that I didn't touch
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10:22.50Terminushello. is it ok to configure 2 PATA and 2 SATA drives as raid5? each drive is on a separate channel and they all have the same geometry, except for the difference in interfaces.
10:23.37lyakhTerminus, for software RAID shouldn't matter, I think
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10:24.40dimirMoin!
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10:24.43Dark_Apostrophe!stats p
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10:24.51Dark_Apostropheno staff :/
10:24.52Terminuslyakh: thanks. yeah, i was thinking about softraid. just wanted to use the 4 hard drives better. =)
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10:25.17wols_I really like when idiots want to troll with the DCC exploit and are too stupid to do it right
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10:25.31Dark_Apostrophethanks Dave2
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10:25.53dimirye, keylogger up nist's arse.
10:25.55dimir:-)
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10:25.59Dark_Apostrophe:)
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10:27.08voidmain2accursed variance between distros.
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10:27.40ma3xwhy as soon as I encode the god damn vidoe, it gets aspect 0 or 1?
10:27.47ma3xalthough I specified 4/3
10:27.54stshello folks. does there exist a webdav modules for apache2 on etch?
10:28.03themill!tell sts about search
10:28.05themillsts: yes
10:28.06stsi cannot find libapache2-mod-dav. :(
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10:28.25stsapt-get install libapache2-mod-dav tells me, it's missing
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10:29.44Dark_Apostropheliable liable_: You helped me get my wireless working, right?
10:29.51ststhemill: what is it called?
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10:31.04ststhemill: i know how to search for packages, but i cannot find it. thats why i'm asking in here. :P~
10:31.07themillsts: it's in apache2.2-common
10:31.12stsoh!
10:31.15ststhanks dude :)
10:31.19themillsts: apt-file search is your friend ;)
10:31.47themillsts: a2enmod dav dav_fs
10:32.07themillsts: (actually, that will have to be two separate commands)
10:32.25stsyo .. stop.
10:32.35stsi know how to do that. :)
10:33.01stsi just coulnd't find the package.
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10:34.04liable_Dark_Apostrophe: yep
10:34.13geo-rgests: sometimes the tendency is to err on the side of completeness
10:34.25wols_sts: you already have it
10:34.30Dark_Apostropheliable: Well, apt-get screwed me over by installing a new version of network-manager :)
10:34.35wols_http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dav.so&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any
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10:34.45Dark_Apostropheliable: Now WPA has gone on strike - I can connect to an unencrypted network, but not to a WPA encrypted one
10:34.47wols_Dark_Apostrophe: you own fault for running sid
10:35.06Dark_ApostropheI'm a desktop user. Etch is too old for me
10:35.37liable_Dark_Apostrophe: easy solution is to not use NM :)
10:35.38wols_apeople long ago told you to use lenny
10:35.39geo-rgests: in a world where people say "rtfm. no, really, RTFM!" and "you're running ubuntu, go AWAY", the treatment you got was kinda cool :)
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10:36.20Dark_Apostropheliable_: I never did, which is the weird thing. Apparently, it was an initscript that I never noticed
10:36.30Dark_Apostropheliable_: I just used wlassistant to connect to my wifi
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10:37.39liable_Dark_Apostrophe: really, just using iwconfig and wpa-supp with a config file that i edit when i add a new network works a treat for me, and i at least get some sort of idea what it is when something goes wrong
10:38.08Dark_ApostropheI'm quite willing to try it, I just don't know how to do it :)
10:38.37liable_Dark_Apostrophe: theres some good docs in usd for wpasupp
10:39.30Dark_Apostropheliable_: usd?
10:39.36liable_!usd
10:39.36dpkgwell, usd is /usr/share/doc.  The font of all knowledge, after you install a new package.
10:39.38fengorbtw since wlan is already the topic. is there any good ttorial to set it up on etch? i have the ipw2200 chips and already isntalled the modules and the correct firmware, i can connect to the AP (at least a conenction with the mac id of my wireless card shows up in the logs there, but cant get my networking to work properly. i searched for help in the factoids and on debian-administration.org as well as googled but cant find the error.
10:40.14fengorso any pointer to a good step by step explanation would be helpful
10:40.29Dark_Apostropheliable_: Oh, of course.
10:40.52Dark_Apostropheliable_: the problem is that docs - man pages, for example - are often gigantic and have tonnes of irrelevant information
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10:41.16liableDark_Apostrophe: the wpasupp docs have ample examples that are pretty good
10:41.35Dark_ApostropheOk, I'll have a look. Thanks :)
10:42.37geo-rgethe step-by-step docs might be too linear and not cover any unusual circumstance,,, while reference docs usually doesn't help you put a particular solution together... what can you dooo....
10:42.43themillfengor: networkmanager (network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde) works nicely with ipw2200. It's worth a try.
10:42.57themillgeo-rge: learn to fish :)
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10:43.19geo-rgein the waters not covered by either
10:43.23geo-rgeyep.
10:44.45liablefengor: your actuall error and what you did would help if you want help
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10:45.22geo-rgeand that usually means "Some Assembly Required" or as MisterRogers might put it, "You have to put it together"
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10:50.34NeaaiHello all. I have implemented greylisting for emails using greylistd and exim4. The box doesn't deliver localy, it only relays. What happens is that after some time, the greylistd process dies and the exim mail queue fills with junk emails that don't belong there. Is this a greylistd problem?
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10:50.54jimcooncatI'd like to incorporate badblocks in a preseed install. is this possible with early_command?
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10:56.52liablewhat was that for?
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10:57.45liablegreat to keep seeing ops here that never seem to actually help in the channel.
10:57.55Dave2It was a potentially relatively wide-reaching temp quiet. The problem seems to have gone, and not being a named op, I didn't want to cause any problems later.
10:58.22fengorliable: well if i would find an error i'd be happy to share it. it would at least give me an angle to search for.
10:58.35NeaaiHello all. I have implemented greylisting for emails using greylistd and exim4. The box doesn't deliver localy, it only relays. What happens is that after some time, the greylistd process dies and the exim mail queue fills with junk emails that don't belong there. Is this a known issue for greylistd, this crash ?
10:58.43wols_fengor: what encryption and access control, if any does the AP use?
10:58.45liableoh, irc cop
10:58.56liableshuts even
10:59.41fengorbasically what i did was made sure the modules is loaded and the correct firmware is there. connected the wireless to the ap via iw config and brought up the corresponding if (eth2 in that case) setting the ip, netmask and default gw (no dhcp available
11:00.04liablefengor: can you ping it?
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11:00.20fengorno liable
11:00.45fengorwols_: the ap uses macfiltering and wep encryption
11:00.47liablefengor: does iwconfig show it as associated?
11:00.57wols_fengor: have you set those two up then?
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11:02.07fengorwols_: using the iwconfig key option? yes i did that
11:02.07geo-rgehmm, looked carefully for where something was restricted by an op... but it was a removal of restriction
11:02.26wols_then as liable asked: is it associated?
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11:03.24fengorwell iwconfig showed it in Mode Managed and had the mac adress of the AP under the Accesspoint entry
11:03.35fengorso i presume yes
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11:04.17liablefengor: paste you iwconfig output somewhere
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11:04.56BatchzHey
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11:05.12kumaranhi, I am using Debain 7.04 (2.6.18-5-486).  I wish to update my kernel to latest (2.6.22.9). For this do I have to download and install current kernel source?  Do I have to compile the kernel?
11:05.36BatchzIm having trouble with my sources.list, I have no idea what it should look like to get the appropriate packages
11:05.51themillgeo-rge, liable: that was reversing a ban on a guy trying some stupid DCC exploit. And badly.
11:06.26NeaaiBatchz: I only have this line in my /etc/apt/sources.list:    deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
11:06.51fengorliable that will have to wait a bit since i'm not at that box right now all i have atm is this fragment http://nopaste.info/365ce25af8.html from my irssi log as i talked sunday night with a friend about it
11:06.55BatchzWould that have to be changed when using debian netinst?
11:06.56NeaaiBatchz: you replace "sarge" with "etch" for a different release
11:07.24Batchzok
11:07.27Batchzthanks, ill try it
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11:07.39liablewait a minute
11:07.41geo-rgethemill, liable: found it too: nist> DCC CHAT C:\STARTKEYLOGGER\
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11:08.02NeaaiBatchz: to my knowledge, netinst let's you choose and builds the correct entry at installation time. I believe that's what it leaves afterwards as well preconfigured.
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11:08.21Dave2geo-rge, er, don't do that.
11:08.28BatchzIt only asked me if i wanted to use a network mirror
11:08.35liableNeaai: please dont suggest editing sources list untill you have some idea what the problem is
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11:08.51geo-rgewhat happened? I dopn't understand
11:08.54themillNeaai, Batchz: please both stop confusing each other.
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11:09.04Neaailiable: I was only trying to give info on what the lines mean and what to put there.
11:09.11BatchzWell, My problem is, when i apt-get install nvidia-glx it says it doesnt have the right candidate
11:09.21Batchzas well as ssh
11:09.27geo-rgeDave2: how'd I do that?
11:09.38wols_Batchz: what debian version
11:09.41Dave2geo-rge, you just set off the bug that nist was attempting to set off.
11:09.44liableNeaai: well, you have no idea what version of debian he is using, and just changing sources.list isnt as simple as you think
11:09.44wols_geo-rge: bug in shitty consumer routers
11:09.48geo-rgeoops
11:09.50geo-rgesorry
11:09.55Batchz2.6.18
11:09.57Batchznetinst
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11:10.23wols_!tell Batchz about sources.list
11:10.41kumaranhello, is there any possibility to install new kernel without compilation?
11:10.48wols_kumaran: yes
11:10.51BatchzAhh
11:10.52Batchz:)
11:10.56wols_kumaran: what kernel do you want and why?
11:10.57kumaranwols: how?
11:11.06BatchzSo that should fix my candidate problem?
11:11.11geo-rgekumaran: well ultimately no... but you don't have to be the one to compile it
11:11.13liablefengor: ok, that looks ok, but it doesnt show a key
11:11.21kumaranwols_: I have 2.6.18.  I wish to upgrade to 2.6.22 or latest than that.
11:11.24NeaaiRepeating my question: I have implemented greylisting for emails using greylistd and exim4. The box doesn't deliver localy, it only relays. What happens is that after some time, the greylistd process dies and the exim mail queue fills with junk emails that don't belong there. Is this a known issue for greylistd, this crash ?
11:11.42wols_kumaran: not possible without a self compile. .21 is in backports afaik
11:11.49wols_!tell kumaran about backports
11:11.55kumaranwols_: Here my mobile does not work, so I have to install the latest one to get it working.
11:12.01geo-rgeNeaai: if the process dies, can't you just restart it?
11:12.06liableNeaai: have you checked bugs.debian.org?
11:12.21kumaranwols_:  thanks for the info, bye.
11:12.21jimcooncatI'd like to incorporate badblocks in a preseed install. is this possible with early_command?
11:12.27fengorright liable yes i doidnt wnat to paste the key over irc sunday night. key was on the next line ina  format of XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XX iirc
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11:12.52themillwols, kumaran: .22 is in backports too
11:13.17Neaaigeo-rge: I do try that. There are times it restarts, there are other times it refuses by saying "there's no such process" and a socket file has to be manually removed.
11:13.18kumaranthemill: thanks, bye.
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11:13.33fengorits a hexadecimal key set via iwconfigs key option
11:13.54liablefengor: you really dont need to worry about pasting a wep key here, unless your neighbour hangs out here and gets your key
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11:14.04Neaailiable: I have checked around not exactly on bugs.debian.org but sot far, there doesn't seem to be any mention of something like that.
11:14.23liableNeaai: does exim logs mention anything?
11:15.14Neaailiable: nothing. They only show normal deliveries/relays as exim usually does.
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11:15.44wols_Neaai: anything in syslog, kernel log etc?
11:15.52fengorhmm true liable, might i come back to you when i'm at that particular box again?
11:16.16Neaailiable: this crash happens when thre's a lot of emails being processed. In a not so heavy server, it works ok. In a server that has quite a load or emails to process, it dies.
11:16.26liablefengor: sure, if i am awake and here, i will try and help
11:16.27Dark_Apostropheliable: The files in the examples (such as /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf) don't exist
11:16.34fengorthanks a lot liable
11:16.42liableDark_Apostrophe: yes they do
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11:17.03Dark_Apostropheliable: No :/
11:17.11DemonSpecterwhat is the command to pass aptitude in order to install the devel packages rather than installing the packages one at a time?
11:17.25liableDark_Apostrophe: you need to take those examples and make your .conf file from them
11:17.31Dark_ApostropheHmm, ok
11:17.56Dark_ApostropheI read somewhere that dashes must be made into underscores, btw. My ssid contains a dash. Is that so?
11:18.01liableDark_Apostrophe: wpasupp doesnt install a .conf by default anymore.
11:18.13liableits mentioned in the changelog a while back
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11:18.37liableDark_Apostrophe: never heard that myself
11:19.08Dark_ApostropheOk... :/
11:19.45Dark_Apostropheliable: my network doesn't use TKIP, but AES
11:20.15liableDark_Apostrophe: shouldnt matter
11:20.27Dark_ApostropheOk
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11:20.49BatchzSo when this sources list updates the candidate issue should go away?
11:21.16themill!b-e DemonSpecter
11:21.16dpkgDemonSpecter: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
11:21.30themillDemonSpecter: perhaps... I have no idea what you're actually asking...
11:21.42wols_Batchz: for ssh yes. for nvidia drivers: no
11:21.49Batchz:O
11:21.58wols_for nvidia you need non-free and contrib
11:22.06BatchzOh
11:22.09Dark_Apostropheliable: Ok, made a configfile - now how do I make it used it?
11:22.10BatchzWOuld that fix the ssh also?
11:22.25wols_Batchz: what line did you add to your sources.list?
11:22.37Batchzthe followed what that bot told me to put
11:23.04wols_and what exactly did you put there?
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11:23.10Batchzdeb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
11:23.12themill!paste
11:23.12dpkgPlease do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
11:23.14Batchzcc = au
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11:23.22liableDark_Apostrophe: wpa_supplicant -dd -c /etc/wpa_suppliant.conf -i <iface>
11:23.23BatchzSOrry
11:23.30Dark_Apostropheliable: Thanks
11:23.42wols_ok. then it will fix your ssh issue. after the <cc>'s "main" add "non-free contrib"
11:23.52wols_!tell Batchz about nvidia one-liner
11:23.52Batchzok
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11:24.08liableDark_Apostrophe: then you will need to run dhclient after or set the ip and route manually
11:24.21themillBatchz: also add non-free and contrib to the security line. There aren't many updates to them but it does happen.
11:24.35BatchzThanks ;)
11:24.51wols_themill: didn't know that :)
11:25.24Dark_Apostropheliable: I'm not getting a newline. It ended on AEPOL: startWhen --> 0
11:25.30Dark_ApostropheEAPOL*
11:25.39liableDark_Apostrophe: thats associated
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11:25.46liableDark_Apostrophe: run dhclient
11:25.47Dark_ApostropheCool :D
11:25.56Dark_ApostropheDo I ctrl-c it or open a new terminal?
11:25.56liableon another term
11:25.58themillBatchz: btw the au mirror might need: deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/linux/debian etch main contrib non-free
11:26.06BatchzOh ok
11:26.08themillBatchz: not the extra pub/linux in it....
11:26.15Batchzi see
11:26.18themillBatchz: hang on... you specified the http mirror... that might be ok
11:26.27themillif aptitude update works, then it's ok ;)
11:26.38Batchzok
11:26.39BatchzLol
11:26.40BatchzxD
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11:27.05Dark_Apostropheliable: Woohoo, it works :D
11:27.33liableDark_Apostrophe: thats another beer you owe me!
11:27.39Dark_Apostrophe:D
11:27.53themillDark_Apostrophe: ok... now... how about you start tracking lenny not sid, you subscribe to d-d-a and you install apt-listchanges ;)
11:28.07Dark_Apostrophed-d-a?
11:28.18themill!d-d-a
11:28.18dpkgi guess d-d-a is debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to.  It's less than one message a day, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it.  Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/
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11:28.40Dark_ApostropheIs there an RSS feed somewhere?
11:28.41Greek-Boyhi. i'm having network problems on a debian etch installed on an HP DL180. The nic goes down and the only way to bring it back up is to use ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0. This happens about once or twice every hour at random. I noticed it when using aptitude or wget to download.
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11:29.07wols_themill: while I have no excuse, I'm still not subbed. what special developments are posted there?
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11:29.18Greek-BoyI checked the kernel logs but didn't find anything out of the ordinary. it does say that there are no IPv6 routers present and something about IPv6 tunneling over IPv4.
11:29.22liablenot much
11:29.36Greek-Boyi'm not sure if IPv6 is causing the problem.
11:30.00geo-rgeyou're not running any ipv6 stuff tho are you?
11:30.14wols_Greek-Boy: there will be a kernel message even if it'S no error or such
11:30.23themillwols_: news about transitions is often posted. as well as other junk that unless you're a dd you probably don't care about. But important things such as this one: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/08/msg00000.html
11:31.15wols_crap. all the aptitude shit creeps up in apt-get now :P
11:31.41liableeh?
11:31.50DustyBinon the whole, would you say that RHEL and Debian are the most widely used distros in big enterprise?
11:32.15liablein enterprise i would say RH and suse
11:32.24geo-rgemaybe rhel is used more... a LOT more
11:32.29Greek-Boyhow do I disable IPv6?
11:32.48DustyBini see debian mentioned quite a lot in job adverts
11:33.03geo-rgeDustyBin: maybe rhel is much much much much much much MUCH better than debian...
11:33.05Dark_ApostropheDebian seems to be used on quite a few webservers
11:33.20wols_DustyBin: Debian is pretty much never certified for anything so enterprise shies away from it
11:33.27DustyBinok
11:33.29wols_Dark_Apostrophe: unis too
11:33.39wols_but "enterprise" is different from "webservers"
11:33.53Dark_ApostropheWell yeah, Unix... but it's dying off.
11:34.14Dark_ApostropheOnly Solaris seems to manage, somehow.
11:34.17wols_Dark_Apostrophe: Unis as in universitis. NOT Unix
11:34.29Dark_ApostropheOh...
11:34.29wols_+e
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11:34.35Dark_ApostropheSorry, misunderstood it.
11:34.52Dark_Apostrophewols_: Thought it was a typo :p
11:34.57wols_suse and RH are too expensive for cash strapped but rich in labour (students) unis
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11:35.04geo-rgeapple macs are positioned as the server architecture of choice (at least between itself and windoz) for years to come
11:35.13Greek-BoyI tried to comment out the IPv6 modules in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
11:35.16Greek-Boybut that didn't owrk
11:35.17Greek-Boywork
11:35.34wols_geo-rge: apple? servers?
11:35.36geo-rgethe aliases probably won't prevent them from being used
11:35.47geo-rgewols_: bsd :)
11:36.00Greek-Boywols_ which logs should I be looking at? i looked at /var/log/debug and /var/log/kern.log
11:36.13geo-rgeversus the crap Gates tries to serve down everyone's throat
11:36.17wols_Greek-Boy: all of /var/log actually
11:36.32liable@log
11:36.34ravenbirdYeah, big guy, show me your log!, or "It's log, log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood!  It's log, log, it's better than bad it's good!"
11:36.43wols_geo-rge: apple scales like shit. their only market is in apple only shops
11:36.50wols_design bureaus and such
11:36.53liableand fanbois
11:37.18geo-rgeand pro audio
11:37.21wols_apple only makes desktops and especially notebooks. that's where their money is
11:37.32geo-rgewhere they pretty much enjoy a monopoly
11:37.57DustyBinapple computers are multi media platforms IMO
11:38.06geo-rgesure, exactly
11:38.08liableyup
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11:38.19DustyBinim working on one right now..
11:38.22geo-rgethat's their main niche
11:38.23DustyBinat work..
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11:38.51DustyBinwith a little terminal window at the bottom logged into my box at home sssh!
11:38.56kumaranIs there anybody knows when LENNY going to be released?
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11:39.04geo-rge!wir
11:39.04dpkgi guess wir is When It's Ready.  See also RSN and SIYH
11:39.07xandkumaran: about a year's time
11:39.13geo-rge!siyh
11:39.13dpkgsomebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP
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11:40.30geo-rgethat's all he wanted?!
11:40.44cab_there are workaround for flash on debian for sparc ?
11:40.51wols_!gnash
11:40.51dpkgi heard gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
11:41.00BatchzJesus
11:41.05BatchzYou guys are pro
11:41.05BatchzxD
11:41.34geo-rgein a haveasmuchfunaspossible kind of way
11:41.42Batchzyar
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11:42.23BatchzBtw, Thanks you fixed my candidate issues
11:42.28cab_<PROTECTED>
11:42.29wols_you're wonderfully pneumatic and I think I have fund :)
11:42.43cab_E: Package mozilla-plugin-gnash has no installation candidate
11:42.44geo-rgefunds I can use...
11:42.49geo-rgesend all you got to...
11:42.53wols_cab_: gnash is very very much alpha software. if you are lucky you can display your flash file. more likely it cant
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11:43.10wols_!info mozilla-plugin-gnash
11:43.14dpkgmozilla-plugin-gnash: (free Flash movie player - Plugin for Mozilla and derivatives), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.1~rc.070818-2 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
11:43.34cab_but why apt-get doesn't find it ?
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11:43.57cab_Reading package lists... Done
11:43.57cab_Building dependency tree... Done
11:43.57cab_Package mozilla-plugin-gnash is not available, but is referred to by another package.
11:43.57cab_This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
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11:44.24geo-rgecab_: WONDERFUL job!
11:44.26wols_cab_: go to pdo and check each branch
11:44.29liablecab_: dont paste here, what debian version?
11:44.46wols_if you are on stable debian you really don't want to use gnash anyways
11:44.47unreal-dudereconfig apt-get with another mirror
11:44.55wols_sid, or a sid backport is the least you can use
11:44.57harkcab_: available in lenny onwards only
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11:45.49BatchzHopefully nvidia-glx fixes my display problem
11:45.53cab_debian etc 4
11:46.16liableum, whats that mean?
11:46.16Batchzif not ill post some more =D
11:46.19geo-rgeso that's etch...
11:46.31cab_yes etch
11:46.41cab_on a sun machine
11:46.43kantorhi, how can I enable in Debian to use the scsi interface emulated for my  ATA hard drive ?
11:47.23claudio`brb
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11:48.04wols_kantor: ise /dev/sdX instead of /dev/hdX ?
11:48.04liablekantor: what do you mean?
11:48.20cab_i have this mirror now deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib
11:48.51Batchzthat looks right
11:48.56wols_cab_: hark already told you it's not in etch and I told you you'd best make your own sid backport of it
11:49.32kantorwols_,  liable yes using sdx instead of hdx
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11:49.45wols_kantor: then use it? what's holding you back?
11:50.00wols_kantor: you should give us more info or you will be disappointed
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11:50.20wols_our mindreaders are all on holiday right now
11:50.49kantorwols_, my question was how to enable e that ? or it is in the new libata module ?
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11:51.08wols_the new libata does it automatically
11:51.25wols_you will notice when your debian install doesn't boot anymore after a kernl upgrade :)
11:52.46kantor:)
11:52.54jellyhow can I see which process keeps a network interface open?
11:53.07wols_jelly: netstat
11:53.17kantorwols_, so this facility is built-in into the new libata module ?
11:53.28wols_it's part of the kernel yes
11:53.32themill!waiting for the root filesystem
11:53.32dpkgIf you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition.  /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
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11:55.52stonyhi
11:55.56stonyI'm building an own package and dh_installinit is not copying the init file to debian/etc/init.d/
11:56.07stonyand it doesn't add the runlevels on install
11:56.21stonyi named the initscript debian/package.init and debian/$package.init - nothing works ...
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11:57.25stonynothing works - any ideas ?
11:58.01jellywols_: netstat --interface doesn't do much more than prettyprinting /proc/net/dev  I have a tun iface and want to see why it can't be destroyed
11:58.39wols_jelly: netstat -anp |grep <TUN IP>
11:58.42wols_should do the trick
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11:58.49wols_run netstat as root
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11:59.28xelonhi, how can i put and get files to my remote Debian server? I'm using ssh to access it
11:59.30kantorwols_, but it is a kernel parameter like hdx=scsi or hdx=ide-scsi from what I remember,it makes the same thing like the new libata ?
11:59.35jellywols_: it doesn't have an ip.
11:59.43themillxelon: sftp or scp or rsync
11:59.59Batchzwols_ - I installed nvidia-glx then typed: startx. But it still comes up with a blank black screen
12:00.00Batchz:S
12:00.01wols_jelly: how can anything bind to it when there is no IP?
12:00.04xelonthemill: do i have to install any package?
12:00.11jellywols_: bridging
12:00.15wols_Batchz: cause you didn't read the dcos
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12:00.27themillxelon: scp and sftp are in the ssh package already, rsync is in the rsync package
12:00.29wols_jelly: and the bridge is dissolved?
12:00.42wols_!tell Batchz about nvidia one-liner
12:00.59xelonthemill: thanks. Also can i use that packages with Putty?
12:01.00themillxelon: if you want a graphical interface, then try konqueror or nautilus with the sftp or fish protocols or filezilla
12:01.24themillxelon: putty is a windoze ssh client, openssh-server
12:01.26jellywols_: no, but I've removed that particular device from the bridge (brctl delif br0 vbox0, vbox0 is the tun)
12:01.53wols_jelly: lsof doesn't spit out anything either?
12:02.00wols_and what happens if you ifconfig down it?
12:02.26wols_xelon: use filezilla under windows
12:02.31geo-rgewhat's a tun
12:02.37wols_putty can do it too but not so comfortable
12:02.39themillstony: we don't have many people here who make packages, and even fewer of them will be using init scripts. try either debian-mentors or #debian-mentors (which is, I think, on oftc)
12:02.43wols_geo-rge: virtual network interface
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12:02.52xelonthemill: ok, thanks
12:02.57xelonwols_: thanks
12:03.03jellywols_: well, there's one process holding /dev/net/tun open, but it's supposed to use the other tun device
12:03.27jellywols_: I'll kill it and see if that helps for some reason
12:04.42jellywols_: it did.  I blame my app.
12:04.45Batchzthat command it asks me to use, just makes it come up with > in console
12:04.45Batchz:S
12:05.04stonythemill: oftc ?
12:05.39jellywols_: er... it was a pebkac, I configured the app to use the wrong device O:-)
12:05.45themillstony: irc.debian.org points to oftc.net
12:05.50stonyah thx
12:05.59geo-rgeyou mean building packages that install init scripts
12:06.41BatchzDammit
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12:07.08faber4hi everybody
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12:10.25themillxelon: please keep it in channel and do not pm people. /msg bots not people.
12:11.43Batchzhrm
12:11.54BatchzI think i need to get a nvidia.deb file
12:12.08xelonthemill: ok sorry. I installed FileZilla and find a tutorial from FileZilla's website that is about how to connect with FTP over SSH. http://filezilla-project.org/wiki/index.php/Howto
12:12.19Batchznvidia-glx_100.14.11-1_i386.deb to be precise
12:12.23xelonthemill: but i can connect to server without doing all this
12:12.42xelonthemill: is this something bad?
12:13.07themillxelon: use sftp not ftp over ssh. Are you running an ftp server on your box?
12:13.18xelonthemill: no
12:13.58themillxelon: so what do you mean by "i can connect to server without doing all this"
12:14.35xelonthemill: i didn't use Pageant or PuTTYgen as explained in the document
12:15.06tarzeauhow is the size of /proc/kcore defined?
12:15.11xelonthemill: just added server (with SFTP method) and connected with my account
12:15.23Wyzardxelon: and when you connect you're asked for a password, right?
12:15.26Wyzardxelon: That's fine
12:15.29themillxelon: yes, that's right. sftp is different to ftp over ssh.
12:15.33geo-rgetarzeau: related to ram size, maybe it's just physical ram size
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12:15.42Wyzardxelon: That page is for setting up public-key authentication, which is an alternative to passwords
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12:16.14Wyzardtarzeau: I think it's just physical RAM size
12:16.15xelonWyzard: ok. it is not a security problem. isn't it?
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12:17.01Wyzardxelon: Do you feel it's insecure that you can log in by typing a password?
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12:17.17tarzeaugeo-rge: no it's definitely not
12:17.24xelonWyzard: ok, I got my answer :)
12:17.37xelonthanks Wyzard, thanks themill
12:17.38tarzeauWyzard: why has my amd64 5377mb kcore size and i have only 4096 mb memory?
12:17.54wols_tarzeau: memory fairy visited you?
12:17.55azeemtarzeau: did you read about that microkernel that runs nethack?
12:18.05tarzeauazeem: no? where? which? what?
12:18.13Wyzardtarzeau: hmm, dunno, that's pretty weird
12:18.16azeemtarzeau: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/l4-hurd/2007-09/msg00004.html
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12:18.25tarzeauwols_: dunno, but dphys-swapfile acts funny on amd64, and i don't want to waste 11gb diskspace for a swapfile
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12:18.39tarzeauWyzard: it was fine for 32bit i386 machines
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12:18.45tarzeaubut then, *I* didn't write the software
12:18.51wols_64 or 32bit AMD64?
12:18.53lindenlehow    do i force mozillla to start on the remote machine?
12:19.00tarzeauwols_: 64bit amd64
12:19.10Wyzardtarzeau: I'm on amd64 (Core 2 Duo) with 2GB RAM and my kcore is 2GB
12:19.13tarzeauwols_: those have like 11 gb swapfiles made because kcore is so much bigger
12:19.20wols_lindenle: display on the remote machine or run it on the remote machine?
12:19.22tarzeauWyzard: interesting. is that etch?
12:19.31Wyzardtarzeau: sid
12:19.50tarzeauWyzard: which kernel do you run?
12:19.58wols_tarzeau: generally etch amd64 seems to be quite immature
12:20.05wols_lenny or sid seem to be better
12:20.06Wyzardtarzeau: 2.6.22-2-amd64 currently
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12:20.11tarzeauwols_: i've got 10 machines with etch, and they work just fine?
12:20.17wols_lindenle: DISPLAY
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12:20.26tarzeauwols_: except, well i use my own kernels: 2.6.22.9-amd64-1
12:20.39tarzeauwols_: can you give details on the immaturity?
12:20.45wols_then .18 might be flaky
12:20.47tarzeauazeem: i *have* to try that
12:20.49lindenle<PROTECTED>
12:20.54wols_not really. just seen various people in here with it
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12:21.22wols_lindenle: I asked you something before and you still haven't really answered
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12:22.10lindenlewols_: run it on the remote machin and the X forwarding is done by ssh.
12:22.17YouBuckyHey Guys, I've just built a file server using samba, anyone have any suggestions for an intergrated virus scanning application\stratergy
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12:23.38wols_YouBucky: the only AV program in debian is clamav afaik
12:24.12wols_lindenle: why wouldn't a simply properly set DISPLAY work?
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12:25.03tarzeauwols_: renattach?
12:25.25lindenlewols_: Because by default firefox looks  for a local version and launches it
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12:26.13wols_tarzeau: hm?
12:26.24lindenlej $firefox
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12:26.50tarzeauwols_: renattach is a nice strategy to disable accidental virus launching
12:26.54lindenleoops  sorry
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12:27.45wols_tarzeau: doesn't help on a fileserver :)
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12:28.23tarzeauwols_: you send the files to yourself (and through renattach :)
12:28.41YouBuckyWols_: Thanks, I've read a little about but I think I'm asking more of it than it offers
12:28.47cberl1Hi folks.  Happy to announce I've finally come up with a solution to my Ubuntu server problem.  I will be installing Debian today.  :)
12:29.02lux0rheh
12:29.08Ronin:)
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12:30.50cberl1Weirdest thing:  no Ubuntu CD will install properly on this particular Dell.  netinst, businesscard, full Debian CD1, DSL Linux -- not problem at all.  Ubuntu cacks upon attempting to boot.  Oh well.  Not consistent with other sites, but at least very reliable!  My main concern is Iceweasel -- any easy way to make that Firefox?
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12:31.33lux0rcberl1: it is firefox
12:31.39wols_cberl1: apart from the icons, it IS firefox
12:31.47wols_everything works as in ffox
12:32.02themillcberl1: tell your window manager to call it firefox not iceweasel if it annoys you that much. Or tell mozco to get a reality check.
12:32.09cberl1lux0r: You and I know that.  Now explain that to a grade five kid who's expecting to see either Firefox or the Infernal Exploder.
12:32.42wols_cberl1: recompile it yourself. everytime it says" Iceweasel" substitute "firefox". done
12:32.46lux0rcberl1: the kid will understand when you tell it was just renamed and art replaced
12:32.52wols_the icon is easily changeable too
12:33.19cberl1Well, I can see there are no ruffled feathers here...  :)  I can live with the weasel...
12:33.19wols_and you can install ffox from mozilla.org too, but that'S outside the scope of #debian
12:33.41wols_cberl1: it's a non issue. stupid IP games as usual
12:33.54cberl1wols_: Yeah, that was what I figured.
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12:35.43lux0r2-3 debian developers decided the art that is used in the firefox package does not meet the conditions of their free software guidelines. and when the mozilla team did not change their entire license concept upon request, the people renamed firefox and replaced the art
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12:36.27stewlux0r: and you are sure it was not more than 3 debian developers involved?
12:36.28themilllux0r: that's not a great summary of what happened
12:36.53lux0rthat is exactly the situation
12:37.20stewlux0r: that's a gross misrepresentation of the situation
12:37.26xandcberl1: or install it using mozilla's packages/from source
12:37.47lux0rstew: explain how you summarize that drama
12:37.54cberl1Sorry -- didn't mean to stir anything up.
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12:39.08wols_lux0r: trademarked names and images DO violate the DFSG. OTOH debian can only put things in main when not just the code but also the artwork and names are modifiable as the DFSG says. these two requirements from different groups clash in this case
12:39.22wols_just like gcc'd docs that are FDL can't be in main either
12:39.30lux0rthats not any different from what i said
12:39.36wols_however, debian wanted to keep ffox in main so something had to change
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12:39.40Wyzardlux0r: months of discussion over not just the art, but the modified code that Debian distributes as well
12:39.49stewlux0r: firefox was not renamed becuase 2-3 developers decided to rename it,  it was renamed becuase mozilla itself demended that we not use their mark.  The artwork is very clearly non-free, but that is only one reason why mozilla doesn't want debian using their mark,  mozilla also did not like debian providing it's own security patches and bugfixes to firefox
12:39.52lux0rWyzard: modified code? haha
12:39.53themilllux0r: that's very different. It was not just 2 or 3 developers. And your sequence of events is incorrect.
12:40.13stewlux0r: yes, modified code
12:40.17Wyzardlux0r: Yes, security patches and bugfixes as stew said
12:40.20lux0rthemill: it was 2-3 developers in the beginning, the rest are fan boys who join the drama
12:40.28themillbollox
12:40.31Wyzardlux0r: like the updates that the security team releases for etch
12:40.35wols_lux0r: strop trolling please
12:40.37lux0rWyzard: very funny
12:40.43wols_-r
12:40.52lux0rwols_: insult me one more time and we have a problem
12:41.14themilllux0r: please go away if you don't have a specific technical question about your debian box
12:41.22zamuroRonin: Pass it! Want some coke?
12:41.31wols_only the white kind
12:41.36lux0rdondelelcaro: could you join the situation please?
12:41.41wols_the black one is unhealthy
12:41.56Wyzardlux0r: Actually, IIRC (from reading the mailing list), initially the Mozilla foundation was willing to grant Debian a license to use the Mozilla trademark for the modified version we distribute, but Debian didn't want to accept that license because it wouldn't apply to users who redistribute the software
12:42.16lux0rWyzard: after people choose personal attacks we can stop here
12:42.36Roninwe have personal attacks? cool must have missed taht
12:42.40Wyzardlux0r: so it didn't satisfy DFSG#8 (license must not be specific to Debian)
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12:43.16lux0rWyzard: move on, its pointless to ride a dead horse after some people showed clearly they have issues to tolerate opinions that are different from their own
12:43.30wols_so you don't feel left out
12:43.36Roninthanks wols_ :)
12:43.38stewthis has gone too far, please drop it.  everyone
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12:43.54Unterfrankehi
12:44.00Wyzardlux0r: I've made no attacks against you, and you're snidely attacking others by responding to me
12:44.01liablei only see one troll here..
12:44.15stewWyzard: liable: please drop it
12:44.27lux0rdondelelcaro: in case you have the time check the backlog regarding stew, wols_ and themill - thanks.
12:44.30cberl1Okay, so back to a technical question:  are all media plugins available for totem, mozilla, etc. with pure Debian?  I'm afraid I've been using Ubuntu a bit too long...
12:44.31jellyhey, let's switch to the gfdl flame.
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12:44.45stewlux0r: drop it.
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12:44.51liablelux0r: why are you asking don to check backlog?
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12:45.09wols_liable: he things don is the only op I guess
12:45.09lux0rliable: because people violate the channel rules
12:45.14themilllux0r: ohh... how come I got into that list? I hardly had a chance to get warmed up. I was still preparing my pithy backstabbing yet cunningly catty comments....
12:45.19wols_lux0r: fyi, stew is an op
12:45.34lux0rwols_: a weak one, yes. thats why i copy dondelelcaro
12:45.36UnterfrankeServus
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12:45.51themilllux0r: please just leave us alone to get some work done.
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12:46.00lux0rthemill: i am not stopping you
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12:46.11liablei missed the start of this, must check backlog myself
12:46.14cberl1does x-window-system install all necessary fonts, or is there another package I need?
12:46.16stewlux0r: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
12:46.19stewliable: drop it
12:46.24wols_cberl1: should work fine
12:46.30cberl1wols_: Thank you.
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12:46.54jellycberl1: mp3 is available.  ffmpeg too.  Not all of the codecs are in debian though, but there is a decent third party repository at www.debian-multimedia.org that carries them all, including things like w32codecs
12:47.05liablestew: thanks, but although you are an op, this is a channel for free discussion
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12:47.14wols_cberl1: tho x-window-system is a sarge thing and only transitional now. I think nowadays it's xserver-xorg. I'm stillusing x-window-system tho :)
12:47.24wols_liable: not quite
12:47.52stewliable: no, it is not
12:47.58liablei dont take kindly to being told to drop a conversation i havent participated in
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12:48.09stewliable: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
12:48.20cberl1Oh, okay.  so I should remove that and install xserver-xorg instead.  I've been using Debian for ages, and that's the only package I recall...  :)
12:48.38jelly!install x
12:48.39dpkgmethinks install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg>
12:48.52jellycberl1: so, probably "xorg"
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12:49.36wols_cberl1: no. x-window-system is a meta package. nothing bad if you isntall it
12:50.02cberl1wols_: Yeah, but I don't really want the old xfree86, I definitely want xorg...
12:50.57cberl1Anyone know of a way to get rid of the Places menu in GNOME?
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12:51.02wols_there is no xfree86 in etch anymore. you still get xorg
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12:51.53hark!depends x-window-system etch
12:51.56cberl1wols_: Good enough.  I won't mess with it then.  So far, default install looking very good.
12:51.57dpkgx-window-system: depends on xorg
12:52.05FastPuttyhi guys, someone could help me  i cannot route to my defualt gateway
12:52.09FastPuttyto go out to the internet
12:52.19FastPuttysomeone could help me, i can ping it but cannot route add default gw it
12:52.31WyzardFastPutty: Upi
12:52.33Wyzardoops
12:52.34wols_FastPutty: you are not supposed to do that
12:52.40WyzardFastPutty: You're you unable to add the route?
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12:52.46wols_you edit /etc/network/interfaces properly and it's done
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12:53.03WyzardFastPutty: you shouldn't need to add the route manually, as wols_ said, but what happens when you try?
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12:53.30xandFastPutty: are you using DHCP or a static IP address?
12:53.35harkcberl1: there's a separate menu which combines the menu bar into one.
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12:54.00cberl1hark: Yeah, but that still doesn't get rid of the places, it just puts it on the menu.  I want to get rid of it if I can.
12:55.16cberl1Is epiphany firefox compatible?
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12:56.13harkas in extensions? no
12:56.22cberl1hark: How about plugins?
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12:57.12harkyes
12:57.24Hoxzerno
12:57.29HoxzerOk, yes
12:57.38cberl1hark: Then I think I've had an "epiphany" on the whole browser issue...  :)
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12:59.04cberl1Okay, gotta run.  Works calls.  Thanks for the assistance and guidance.
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12:59.23cab_i have installed gnash and now when i open a flash site iceweasel crash ..........................
12:59.34cab_nice
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13:00.13FastPuttyxand: i am using a bridge VPN
13:00.19FastPuttyxand: openvpn bridged mode
13:00.40FastPuttyxand: i can ping the server but cannot go out to internet because i do not have any default route
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13:01.03MatBoyhi
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13:01.39MatBoywierd, I can't untar .tar.bz2 files, open() has an error
13:02.25WyzardFastPutty: Since you're using OpenVPN as a bridge, it has nothing to do with configuring IP addresses or gateways
13:02.47themillMatBoy: what's the error, please?
13:02.54WyzardFastPutty: You need to run a DHCP client or something on your tap0 interface after connecting to the VPN
13:03.03MatBoythemill, itÅ› in dutch, so a problem for you I guess
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13:03.28xushihow can one change his keyboard layout from en.UK to en.US? i tried using dpkg-reconfigure locales but that didnt work
13:03.29wols_MatBoy: tar -jxvf <file.tar.bz2> provided you have bzip2 installed
13:03.34themillMatBoy: rerun the command with LANG=C before it ;) My dutch isn't that great...
13:03.42EnverexIs anyone currently running Sid?
13:03.55wols_xushi: in X or console?
13:04.01WyzardEnverex: yes, lots
13:04.04wols_Enverex: ask a real question
13:04.07MatBoywols_, should be, doesn't work tho :(
13:04.09xushiwols_: in console
13:04.34FastPuttyWyzard`dhcp client?
13:04.38wols_xushi: dpkg-reconfigure console-data or such. altneratively, seach for loadkeys somewhere in /etc
13:04.40FastPuttyWyzard: my ip is static
13:04.57MatBoywols_, it does, I had the - part in a wrong wayt
13:04.58MatBoyway
13:05.00MatBoythanks
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13:05.15Enverexwols_, I was looking for someone to direct the question to as every other time I've asked about -anything- to do with Sid in here before I just get cocky comments, people trying to be clever and generally malicious rubbish with no intent to actually help.
13:05.20WyzardFastPutty: OK, then you need to add an appropriate default route
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13:05.32FastPuttyWyzard: that exactly what i was trying to say lo
13:05.33FastPuttylol
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13:05.51FastPuttyWyzard: and the default route should be my server vpn, but i cannot add it :s
13:05.53FastPuttythats my problem
13:05.57wols_Enverex: asking a dumb question like yours above is the surest way to get a flaming replay. just so you know
13:06.04WyzardFastPutty: I asked earlier, what happens when you try to add it?
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13:06.13FastPuttyWyzard: it has a long timeout
13:06.19FastPuttyWyzard: it add but it look doesnt work
13:06.25wols_Enverex: so maybe you grace us now by asking a question?
13:06.25FastPuttyWyzard: seem like no communication with it
13:06.31FastPuttyWyzard: but i can ping it O_O
13:06.32themillwols_: btw the - is optional to tar for those args
13:06.41wols_themill: I know. habit .)
13:06.45Enverexwols_, No wols, previously I asked the actual questions, this time I asked that so I could speak to someone who may be useful, rather than putting the question out there for people to just make comments at. Fine, anyway the question is...
13:06.52wols_option without - make me cringe :)
13:07.09EnverexIs anyone having issues with dist-upgrade on Sid at the moment? It's giving an error about unexpected resolable dependency...
13:07.20geo-rgeEnverex: if you don't find out here, you might find something on the bts
13:07.31wols_!tell Enverex about bat
13:07.35WyzardFastPutty: Keep in mind that you may already have a default route, pointing to the local gateway (unrelated to the VPN)
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13:07.53FastPuttyWyzard: when i type route, i do not see any route pointed to my server vpn
13:08.03themillwols_: habits are good...
13:08.03wols_Enverex: while you don't like to hear it. this question and especially the way you posed it right now shows you're not ready to run sid :P
13:08.11FastPuttyWyzard: actually i do not have any default route at all
13:08.40WyzardFastPutty: That doesn't make sense to me...  without a default route, how were you accessing the Internet to connect to the VPN in the first place?
13:09.03WyzardFastPutty: I assume your VPN server is not on your LAN, because a VPN would be pointless in that case
13:09.09FastPuttyWyzard: well ok the thing is i block internet acces allow only udp packet of openvpn
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13:09.21FastPuttyWyzard: then i try to let my client go trough my sever to go out on internet onnly
13:09.21Enverexwols_, Or maybe I'm sidetracked and not in the best of moods. For the record I've been running Sid on multiple machines for a few years now... thanks.
13:09.45Enverexwols_, I would have pasted but I'm quoting myself partiailly from the other day when instead I got useless answers and don't have the material on hand
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13:11.14harkEnverex: if you don't, good luck waiting for someone to help you
13:11.37EnverexI will, ffs, I'm trying to do like 80 things at once
13:11.38FastPuttyWyzard: i dont knwo if you get what i mean
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13:12.01wols_Enverex: there are 15k or so packages in sid. do you think we know the possible dependency bugs on all of them?
13:12.07WyzardFastPutty: Not really...  where are you blocking traffic, the network where the client is or the network where the server is?
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13:13.16WyzardEnverex: I run sid and haven't had any unsurmountable problems with upgrading, though there've been some packages that needed to be held back because the new versions' dependencies can't be satisfied yet
13:13.41FastPuttyWyzard: they are connect trough WAN interface
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13:13.49FastPuttycommunication is made trough internet
13:13.56FastPuttyi block all traffic except openvpn port
13:14.00EnverexWyzard, I was thinking it was related to that, I'm just trying to pull it up though
13:14.10WyzardEnverex: I'm using aptitude, not apt-get
13:14.14abrotmanEnverex: which package is held back ?
13:14.47Enverexabrotman, Quite a few, hold on and I'll get you the whole output, aptitude actually dies completely because of this, it's not a regulard "unsatisfied dep" issue
13:15.18WyzardEnverex: Its automatic dependency resolution has come up with a few things I didn't want, like removing packages I wanted to keep, so lately I've been making manual tweaks before going ahead and letting it upgrade
13:15.22FastPuttyWyzard: do you iunderstand now?
13:15.29WyzardEnverex: but I definitely haven't had aptitude crash
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13:16.05WyzardEnverex: So your clients are on the same network as your VPN server?  They're not communicating with it over the Internet?
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13:16.29EnverexWyzard, ... er?
13:16.34WyzardEnverex: oops
13:16.37WyzardFastPutty: ^^^
13:16.37geo-rgeEnverex: you probably know that sid is allowed to fail in this way and in others...
13:17.07WyzardEnverex: sorry, mental context switch failed  :-)
13:17.18Enverexgeo-rge, I do, I just wondered if anyone knew about it or a work-around
13:17.21WyzardFastPutty: That'd explain not needing a default route for talking to the VPN server itself
13:17.26FastPuttyWyzard: no let me show you a drawing
13:17.32EnverexIt's Sid, I expect it to break, I don't see why me asking about said breakages it a big deal though
13:17.47abrotmanWyzard: it's time for picture page!
13:17.51Enverexwols_, Wyzard : http://rafb.net/p/rhrEzS95.html
13:18.19WyzardEnverex: I use aptitude's interactive mode, not its CLI
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13:18.37harklibwnck18 can be removed
13:18.59abrotmanEnverex: aptitude -f install .. do anything different ?
13:19.07FastPuttyWyzard: http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=networkbg4.jpg
13:19.25geo-rgeEnverex: I try not to see anything as a big deal (the times I fail are not relevent here tho)... when the channel is moving slowly there might be TIME for people who are INCLINED to go read the BTS for people who ask about sid problems...
13:19.36abrotmanoh look .. a cloud!
13:19.48Enverexabrotman, It wants to install libgpod-common liblog4j1.2-java-gcj
13:19.58WyzardFastPutty: OK, so it's going through the Internet
13:19.59abrotmanand that's it ?
13:20.05FastPuttyyes wyzard
13:20.06Enverexabrotman, Yup
13:20.12WyzardFastPutty: VPN aside, how does the client talk to the Internet if it doesn't have a default route?
13:20.15abrotmanEnverex: what if you try to remove the broken package ?
13:20.30abrotmanEnverex: you're using gnome i guess ?
13:20.43abrotmanEnverex: what if you `aptitude install gnome` ?
13:21.03FastPuttyWyzard: it does has, but once i block the wan it wont anymore :)
13:21.04EnverexAh, this is interesting
13:21.15FastPuttyWyzard: i only allow packet OPENVPN arround
13:21.20abrotmaninteresting like britney spears?
13:21.31Enverexabrotman, It seems it wants to swap 18 for 22 so when I remove 18 it wants to install 22 and upgrade some Gnome packages
13:21.39abrotmanEnverex: sounds plausible
13:21.48WyzardEnverex: Use the interactive mode...  you can browse though packages and see what the dependency issues are between them, and interactively mark things for upgrade/removal/etc.
13:21.49geo-rgeinteresting like Brook Burke
13:22.40WyzardFastPutty: but you said earlier that your client doesn't have a default route at all
13:22.58FastPuttyWyzard: well it not a dfault route.
13:23.09FastPutty=S well anyway how can i add a route
13:23.11EnverexWyzard, I've never figured out Aptitudes GUI mode, it felt akin to playing Chess...
13:23.12WyzardFastPutty: afaik, establishing an OpenVPN tap connection shouldn't make any changes to your routing table
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13:23.24FastPuttyWyzard: i know but i tried to add a route
13:23.26FastPuttybut it doesnt work
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13:23.35FastPuttyi can ping the vpn server but cannot add a route to it
13:23.39EnverexWyzard, abrotman : Ok, doing that in Synaptic fixed the dep issues. Thanks all.
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13:23.45WyzardEnverex: Once you're accustomed to it, you'll find it's indispensable for running sid and dealing with the occasional dependency issues
13:24.49WyzardFastPutty: Are you unable to *add* the route?  (error message when running "route add -default"), or you can add the route successfully but you still can't communicate over the VPN after doing so?
13:25.30FastPuttyi can add it
13:25.43FastPuttybut it cannot look can be communicate with vpn server
13:25.48FastPuttythat the thing i dont get
13:26.15damjan|work_FastPutty: do you have a firewall?
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13:26.30WyzardFastPutty: ok...  you should be more specific about that sort of thing up-front, rather than saying you can't add the route
13:26.31FastPuttyyes but i have INUT and OUPUT at allow
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13:26.47FastPuttyi can add route but cannot communicate with it
13:26.49FastPuttysorry wyzard :S
13:27.00FastPuttywell when i ping it, it works
13:27.05FastPuttywhen i add route, it works
13:27.11FastPuttywhen i type route to check my route status
13:27.17FastPuttythe vpn server took time to asnwer
13:27.23FastPuttyi think it doesnt respond
13:27.35damjan|work_FastPutty: use "ip route"
13:27.45damjan|work_FastPutty: "ip route show"
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13:28.24FastPutty-bash: ip: command not found
13:28.25FastPuttylol
13:28.29WyzardFastPutty: I'm still trying to understand exactly what your routing situation is...  routing for a VPN is a little tricky because most traffic needs to be routed over the VPN, but the VPN's own encrypted traffic needs to be routed over the Internet
13:28.46FastPuttywyzard yes
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13:29.11FastPuttywyzard: i block all traffic from wan, only allow in/out traffic of openvpn port
13:29.18FastPuttyfrom wan
13:29.24damjan|work_FastPutty: apt-get install iproute2
13:29.25WyzardFastPutty: When you say "block all traffic", you're talking about iptables rules, right?
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13:29.41FastPuttywyzard: yes
13:29.53WyzardFastPutty: OK...  that has absolutely nothing to do with your routing table
13:29.59damjan|work_FastPutty: actually 'apt-get install iproute'
13:30.32FastPuttyWyzard: i know
13:30.40WyzardFastPutty: Your client initially should have a default route for accessing the Internet
13:30.48FastPuttyWyzard: yes
13:30.58WyzardFastPutty: When you connect to the Internet and add another default route,  you end up with two default routes in your routing table
13:31.09WyzardFastPutty: I'm not sure what the rule is for which one takes precedence, so that needs to be looked at
13:31.13FastPuttyi delete the wan default route
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13:31.20FastPuttybecause i want to use the OPENVPN server route
13:31.22stewdamjan|work_: its iproute not iproute2 these days, fyi
13:31.29WyzardFastPutty: ah, ok
13:31.42FastPuttyyes wyzard
13:31.47damjan|work_FastPutty: you can't just delete the default route .. then the VN will not work
13:31.55FastPutty...
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13:32.02WyzardFastPutty: It would've helped if you'd mentioned that earlier -- I was trying to troubleshoot why you didn't even have the expected starting situation of two default routes
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13:32.11FastPuttybut i can ping my vpn
13:32.13FastPuttyserver
13:32.40FastPuttywyzard: soryr for the misundertanding :s
13:32.55WyzardFastPutty: You can ping it over the VPN?  Or you can ping its Internet side?
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13:33.05FastPuttyover vpn
13:33.06damjan|work_openvpn has a feature to route everytihng through the VPN (except the VPN itself) --redirect-gateway
13:33.21Wyzarddamjan|work_: I'm not sure whether that applies in bridged mode
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13:33.36Wyzarddamjan|work_: might be only for routed mode
13:34.00damjan|work_shouldn't matter actually
13:34.05WyzardFastPutty: Do you have a route for the VPN server's Internet-facing IP through eth0?
13:34.05FastPuttyi have no trouble configured a routed vpn
13:34.17FastPuttybut when it time for bridge i got trouble with gateway
13:34.30WyzardFastPutty: You need a route that sends the encrypted VPN traffic over the Internet
13:34.44FastPuttywyzard: i allow vpn traffic in my firewall
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13:34.51FastPuttyi block everything else
13:35.04WyzardFastPutty: That has nothing to do with the routing table
13:35.20WyzardFastPutty: When the kernel wants to send a packet to a certain IP, it looks at the routing table to figure out what interface it should send it through
13:35.53WyzardFastPutty: It needs to know that packets addressed to the VPN server's external IP should be sent through eth0, not tap0
13:36.23FastPuttymy vpn server has internet i can ping google wihtout trouble
13:36.34FastPuttyi have default route at vpn server also pointing to the wan
13:36.55WyzardFastPutty: You can ping Google even when you're connected to the VPN and have added your VPN default route?
13:37.05FastPuttyin my server yes
13:37.10FastPuttynot in my vpn client
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13:37.19WyzardFastPutty: No, not on the server, on the client
13:37.24WyzardFastPutty: We're configuring the client, right?
13:37.27FastPuttyyes
13:37.31FastPuttyclient has no acces at all
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13:37.42FastPuttybecause i blocked it with iptables
13:37.54FastPuttyi add a route to the vpn server ip (vpn ip)
13:37.54WyzardFastPutty: so please don't confuse the issue by talking about the server when I think you're talking about the client
13:38.16FastPuttyi allow openvpn
13:38.22FastPuttyport udp 8147
13:38.29FastPuttywhich is my protocol and port for vpn
13:38.42WyzardFastPutty: OK, so you did add a specific route for the VPN server
13:38.45WyzardFastPutty: on eth0, right?
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13:39.02FastPuttyi dont get what you mean by spefific route
13:39.17WyzardFastPutty: A route for a specific destination IP, rather than a default route
13:39.22MolePrinceHi, is anyone here experienced with using minicom to work over a null modem link please?
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13:39.32FastPuttyit can ping google before blocking with iptables
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13:39.35damjan|work_MolePrince: sure, why not
13:39.59FastPuttyafter connected to my vpn server server, i delete the default route and add the default route of my vpn server server
13:40.18WyzardFastPutty: It can ping Google because it initially has a default route saying that all traffic goes through eth0, which is connected to the Internet
13:40.19damjan|work_FastPutty: first.. clear your firewall and ACCEPT everything .. you are trying to fight several problems at the same time ... it's confusing
13:40.28MolePrincedamjan|work_: Awesome.  I have a really old Omnibook 300 that I need to transfer files to/from, and was pointed towards using mc for it, but I haven't quite figured out how to go about it.
13:40.46WyzardFastPutty: When you delete that default route, it won't send traffic through eth0 anymore
13:40.49MolePrinceI've verified that the link is up by catting /dev/ttyS0 however
13:41.01FastPuttywyzard: yes
13:41.09WyzardFastPutty: but traffic to the VPN server's Internet IP still needs to be sent through eth0, so you need to add a route for that specific IP
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13:41.25FastPuttywyzard: ok
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13:41.34FastPuttybut the thing is i can ping my vpn server
13:41.39damjan|work_MolePrince: there's a send file in minicom .. the ymodem prtocol is the best
13:41.41FastPuttyvpn server server
13:42.10FastPuttyso it absoluttyly that data can go trough the tap
13:42.10WyzardFastPutty: You've said that several times already and it's just confusing the issue because I don't know under what circumstances you're pinging it
13:42.29FastPuttythe client we are working on
13:42.37FastPuttycan ping the server
13:42.53spectiei'm having a problem installing debian on a macbook, initramfs-tools will not install because udev is not started/configured
13:42.57FastPuttyeven wihtout default route
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13:43.06WyzardFastPutty: Through the Internet, with its external IP?  Or through the VPN?
13:43.11FastPuttytrough the vpn
13:43.17FastPuttysince i block all output/input
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13:43.31smharhello friends
13:43.32FastPuttyso it go absolutly trough the vpn
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13:43.59smharanyone got debian working on a toshiba satellite notebook?
13:44.13wols_!laptoü
13:44.18wols_!laptop
13:44.19dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/  For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
13:44.24WyzardFastPutty: So you're saying that you bring up tap0, remove the client's default route for eth0, add a new default route for tap0, add a specific route for the VPN server's external IP through eth0, and *then* you can ping the VPN server's internal IP?
13:45.25FastPuttyyes
13:45.28smharwols_, I 've been there. I have lenny installed on it already, but I have to work out a couple of issues
13:45.48WyzardFastPutty: If that's the case, then your routing is set up correctly on the client
13:45.57FastPuttyyes
13:46.00FastPuttyi gues snot sure
13:46.03FastPuttythat the question i am asking
13:46.20FastPuttyok wyzard.. it look like my client has trouble..
13:46.21abrotmansmhar: then ask about your issues .. nto some vague question
13:46.28WyzardFastPutty: Routing doesn't care about protocols or ports, it only cares about IP addresses
13:46.30FastPuttywyzard: look like my vpn is set up correctly
13:46.42FastPuttyWyzard: i just disable openvpn in the client
13:46.48FastPuttytrying to add back the route to direct to wan
13:46.51WyzardFastPutty: If you can send packets to the VPN server's internal IP and get responses, routing is working
13:46.56FastPuttyWyzard: and now i cannot anymore
13:47.06FastPuttyWyzard: look like i ahev trobule with my routing
13:47.10WyzardFastPutty: ...why are you now trying to unconfigure your VPN?
13:47.12smharfirst, the ati chipset is ATI Radeon X1200, but ATI site's driver section: http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html does not show it
13:47.19FastPuttyWyzard: i just testing if it openvpn the trouble
13:47.24FastPuttyWyzard: now i figure out it not..
13:47.26WyzardFastPutty: I just told you that you have routing set up correctly, and you decide it's wrong and decide to undo it all?
13:47.42WyzardFastPutty: What exactly is the problem you're trying to fix?
13:47.50smharabrotman, I do not know if it is of one of those series?
13:47.51FastPuttyWyzard: wyzard my client do not have internet anymore now even if i add back the route to the wan internet
13:47.58FastPuttyWyzard: well trouble is about routing
13:48.07FastPuttyWyzard: i can add route, but cannot communicate with anything..
13:48.14FastPuttyWyzard: i can however ping them
13:48.30WyzardFastPutty: If you can ping something, then you can communicate with it
13:48.33geo-rgeWyzard: you should know that deal by now... people want to tinker and make sure of what they know
13:48.53abrotmansmhar: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner
13:48.57WyzardFastPutty: so you cant' say that you're unable to communicate with anything...  you're able to communicate with the other side of the VPN
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13:49.14FastPuttyWyzard: not anymore routing mess up or something
13:49.14infesterHey! Can i check if a special driver is included in a specific netinstall cd?
13:49.26FastPuttyWyzard: i enable disable firewall, add back the wan default routing
13:49.36abrotmaninfester: which driver?
13:49.37FastPuttyWyzard: disable* fierwwall
13:49.47FastPuttyWyzard: turn off openvpn
13:49.51WyzardFastPutty: Is your new goal to not use a VPN anymore?
13:50.00ma3xdoesn't work either
13:50.06FastPuttyWyzard: my goal is making openvpn bridge mode work
13:50.10infestersec ill check it up, it's for my nics in my laptop, they are only available via unstable
13:50.11FastPuttyWyzard: but i cannot communicate with the vpn server anymore
13:50.43FastPuttyi have no more internet in my vpn client
13:50.57WyzardFastPutty: I don't understand what change you just made on your client, or why
13:51.08WyzardFastPutty: Put it back the way it was, so you can ping the VPN server through the VPN
13:51.14FastPuttynothing i cannot add back the default gateway of wan
13:51.33FastPuttyWyzard: yes i try to put it back but it cannot anymore and i have no idea why
13:51.39infesterabrotman, et131x and ipw3945
13:51.40damjan|work_FastPutty: just use --redirect-gateway
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13:51.47damjan|work_FastPutty: .. it's there for a reason
13:51.51WyzardWhy do you want to add that default route back?
13:52.02abrotmaninfester: never heard of the former .. i think the latter is in etch .. but not the netinst kernel
13:52.05abrotman!custom d-i
13:52.05dpkg[custom d-i] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD
13:52.08FastPuttyWyzard: just wanna make sure if it not my route add problem
13:52.16FastPuttyWyzard: so if we solve this, we solve also my vpn problem
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13:52.29FastPuttyWyzard: because both have same problem
13:52.37FastPuttyWyzard: can add route, but cannot communicate
13:52.37infesterabrotman, alright, there's no page showing supported hardware for specific install-cds? ive searched but not found :/
13:52.46FastPuttyWyzard: can ping them
13:52.55WyzardFastPutty: I just told you, your client's routing through the VPN appears to be set up correctly
13:52.57abrotmaninfester: what card is driven by the et131x ?
13:53.07WyzardFastPutty: I'm trying to help you and you're going off on tangents and breaking things that are already working
13:53.19FastPuttyok i will turn up back what you said
13:53.19infesteragere systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet controller
13:53.24FastPuttyit wil lbe fix in a min sec
13:54.00abrotmaninfester: are those drivers free .. or firmware laden ?
13:54.14harkinfo et131x-source etch
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13:54.37hark!info et131x-source etch
13:54.40infesteri have no idea... found the hardware specifics on the gentoo-wiki page
13:54.47FastPuttyWyzard: ok back to what we was working on
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13:54.50hark!info et131x-source
13:54.52dpkget131x-source: (Source for et131x Ethernet Controller driver from Agere Systems), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 352 kB, Installed size: 408 kB
13:54.54infesterthey say you need to compile it manually in gentoo...
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13:55.06WyzardFastPutty: OK, now as a test:  can you currently ping the VPN server's internal IP?
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13:55.30infester!info ipw3945
13:55.46FastPuttyWyzard: ok to make it clearly my vpn server server is 10.0.0.1
13:55.46harkipw3945 is in non-free
13:56.02infesteralright
13:56.03FastPuttyWyzard: and my vpn client is 10.0.0.100
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13:56.12stewipw3945 is free. the firmware is nonfree
13:56.13FastPuttyWyzard: 10.0.0.100 ping to 10.0.0.1 succesful
13:56.22infesterso id do best mounting a flash drive or smth with the drivers during install?
13:56.22themillas is the regulatory daemon
13:56.38FastPutty10.0.0.0/24 = internal vpn ip
13:56.45themill!tell infester about ipw3945
13:56.48infesterreason im asking about the drivers is because i have no idea how to best install debian
13:56.57stewaiui the regulatory daemon won't be needed much longer
13:56.58WyzardFastPutty: Are there other machines on this private network, on the server's side of the VPN link?
13:57.01WyzardFastPutty: 10.0.0.2 or something?
13:57.12jirkonquit
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13:57.17abrotmaninfester: it's a laptop ?
13:57.23infesterthemill, i don't have any support for any nics during install, so that would be troublesome :)
13:57.26infesterYes, LG C1
13:57.31FastPuttyWyzard: there no 10.0.0.2
13:57.33abrotmaninfester: get a normal PCMCIA nic :)
13:57.36FastPuttyWyzard: 10.0.0.1 is my vpn server
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13:57.52FastPuttyWyzard: 10.0.0.100 is client
13:57.56infestereek :/ Isn't there another solution?
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13:58.00WyzardFastPutty: I don't mean 10.0.0.2 specifically...  what I'm asking is, is the server the only machine on the remote end?
13:58.06themillstew: eventually... the new iwl driver won't make it into .23 and maybe not even .24 so it's some months off still unforunately :(
13:58.13harknot with the ipw3945 driver currently in debian afaik
13:58.18FastPuttyWyzard: ya
13:58.32FastPuttyWyzard: client connected trough wan directly to the server
13:58.40WyzardFastPutty: If possible, I want you to try pinging something else on your private network through the VPN
13:58.48infesteralright, so ill use a pcmcia nic during install, fetch the drivers and it'll all be fine :) Thanks a bunch guys
13:59.07FastPuttyWyzard: hmmm i have nothing else than this machin O_O
13:59.08Eulexma3x, try changing the dependency to depend on the version of libsilc that is in stable.
13:59.11WyzardFastPutty: right, but maybe you have other boxes that are also connected to that server, directly through a LAN or something
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13:59.12Wyzardok
13:59.14smharthis mouse pad thing is irritating, First thing tomorrow is to buy a small usb mouse, I the one I have now are ps2
13:59.28ma3xEulex, what the hell?
13:59.42FastPuttyok i can try pinging 192.168.3.1
13:59.47Eulexma3x, ?
13:59.47FastPuttyWyzard: which is my eth2
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14:00.10ma3xEulex, Eulex> ma3x, try changing the dependency to depend on the version of libsilc that is in stable.
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14:00.28WyzardFastPutty: There's no eth2 in the diagram you drew earlier...  how does your 192.168.3.0/24 network relate to your 10.0.0.0/24 network?
14:00.36Eulexthe dependency in the source package, that is. that way, the binary package built out of that will depend on the right version of libsilc.
14:00.43FastPuttyWyzard: it another interface on the vpn server server
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14:00.51baggleshow do i get the list of packages that have been requested to be installed... i mean a list excluding packages that are just installed because they're dependencies....
14:00.52FastPuttyi do not mention it because i think it wasnt important to
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14:01.11tarzeaubaggles: /var/log/dpkg.log ?
14:01.29ma3xEulex, solved that problem earlier. thank you
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14:01.43ma3xEulex, you know anything about encoding?
14:01.44Eulexma3x, ok
14:01.47FastPuttyWyzard: im sure it pinging rightly my vpn server server
14:01.48baggleshum. that doesn't seem to tell me much useful. just a list of stuff that has been installed
14:02.07tarzeauanyone tried http://clonekeen.sourceforge.net/ yet?
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14:02.22WyzardFastPutty: So the VPN server is connected to the Internet as well as two separate private networks, right?
14:02.27Eulexma3x, perhaps
14:02.33FastPuttyWyzard: yes
14:02.42FastPuttyWyzard: 10.0.0.100 ping 10.0.0.1
14:02.46WyzardFastPutty: and it's supposed to be acting as a router to reach the Internet?
14:02.50FastPutty10.0.0.1 recive the ping for sure
14:02.57FastPuttyWyzard: i sniffed it with tcpdump
14:03.06Wyzardtarzeau: hmm, interesting
14:03.07FastPuttyWyzard: YES! like a router
14:03.22Wyzardtarzeau: The Keen trilogy is the only shareware I ever registered, IIRC
14:03.23ma3xEulex, this video from my camcorder has 1.3657 aspect ratio. I want to encode it to x264, but it doesn't keep the exactly same number
14:04.09Eulexma3x, I'd expect that to be quite specific to the recoding software you're using.
14:04.17ma3xEulex, mencoder
14:04.28WyzardFastPutty: If you have other services running on 10.0.0.1, like SSH or whatever, can your client connect to that?
14:04.33MolePrincedamjan|work: Hi.  I've been trying to use the send file command, and after verifying that both mc on my linux box and terminal on the windows machine use the same serial port settings, when I try to send to the windows machine, terminal just echoes: **B00000000000000000
14:04.34FastPuttyWyzard: only ssh
14:04.39amphima3x: you can specify aspect IIRC
14:04.45WyzardFastPutty: See if you can ssh to 10.0.0.1 from 10.0.0.100
14:05.01damjan|workMolePrince: ohh it's windows on the other side .. that sucks
14:05.07FastPuttyWyzard: seem not working
14:05.26WyzardFastPutty: Check with tcpdump on the server side -- do you see the packets?
14:05.34MolePrincedamjan|work: yeah.. windows 3.1 even, and terminal's the only program installed that can do anything with that..
14:05.41ma3xamphi, I specify the same aspect but it doesn't come out exaclty the same. I dont know why
14:05.46Eulexma3x, I've used mencoder, but never experienced such a problem. you might want to take at the (huuuge) man page to try to find something that sets the aspect ratio of the input movie
14:05.48damjan|workMolePrince: I don't think it supports file transfers
14:06.03MolePrincedamjan|work: It has a menu command for Receieve and Send Files at least.
14:06.26damjan|workMolePrince: what protocols does it support?
14:06.33amphima3x: why is it a problem if the aspect changes minutely, BTW? you can also specify aspect when you play it
14:06.38ma3xEulex, what's the difference if the aspect ratio is a little bit different, will the people be phat/tall ?
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14:06.57ma3xamphi, it won't affect the picture (fat,tall) :
14:07.00MolePrincedamjan|work: Score.  If I use the ASCII setting it seems to transfer text at least.
14:07.01ma3x?
14:07.01FastPuttyWyzard: let me verify
14:07.02damjan|workMolePrince: perhaps you first need to start 'Receive file' in terminal (hyperterm right?)
14:07.06Eulexma3x, yes
14:07.17MolePrincedamjan|work: Just Terminal actually.  It's ooold
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14:08.11Eulexma3x, well, as amphi said, if you don't specify another aspect ratio in your player. but I'd say that it's desireable to already have the video encoded into the aspect ratio you want
14:08.16FastPuttyWyzard: i dont even have tcpdum installed on the machin... xD
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14:08.36amphima3x: if it's a very small change, it'll be invisible
14:08.42WyzardFastPutty: tcpdump is a useful thing to have on a router
14:09.21amphima3x: mplayer allows you set the aspect, which is handy; I've had movies that the header said were 4:3 when they were 16:9 and the like
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14:10.03MolePrincedamjan|work: Ideally I'd like to get it to transfer binary files so I can put a better terminal program on the windows machine >.>
14:10.06ma3xamphi, when I run mplayer -identify dvgrab.dv (the camcorder original file) it says 1.3657 ratio. and I am making it for PAL TV, so it should be 4/3 right?
14:10.23ma3xso what should I specify 1.3657 or 4/3?
14:10.26damjan|workMolePrince: norton commander ahd a term95 program with it .. that should be good
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14:10.36damjan|work*had
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14:10.49MolePrincedamjan|work: Thanks, I may have to look into this.
14:10.51amphima3x: you can crop it...
14:12.05md5xxxhello! How do I change my timezone in debian etch? tzselect prints "/usr/bin/tzselect: line 53: /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab: No such file or directory\n/usr/bin/tzselect: time zone files are not set up correctly" and quits.
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14:12.48FastPuttyWyzard: i cannot install it i dont even have internet anymore -_-
14:12.58WyzardFastPutty: On the server?
14:13.03FastPuttyWyzard: client
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14:13.13smharhi again,
14:13.14WyzardFastPutty: I'm talking about running tcpdump on the server
14:13.31WyzardFastPutty: to see if it's receiving the packets when you try to connect with ssh
14:13.43FastPuttyso i try to ssh from client to server?
14:13.58WyzardFastPutty: yes, that's what I said to do a few minutes ago, and you said it didn't work
14:14.28smhar<PROTECTED>
14:14.47FastPuttyWyzardL: i thought u ask me to ssh from server to client xD
14:14.53FastPuttyWyzard: sorry im going to test it now
14:15.39FastPuttyWyzard: yes i receive packets
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14:15.53FastPuttyWyzard: and it work
14:16.09WyzardFastPutty: OK, then your VPN link is definitely working
14:16.12FastPuttyWyzard: i can ssh to it
14:16.32FastPuttyWyzard: yeah =s but as  i said it my routing problem :S
14:16.39WyzardFastPutty: If your client can't reach the Internet, the problem is the routing configuration on the server
14:16.54WyzardFastPutty: The VPN link is effectively an ordinary Ethernet cable at that point
14:17.10FastPuttythe thing is.. i can add the default route
14:17.17FastPuttybut it look like it has trouble
14:17.24WyzardFastPutty: You've added the default route on the client
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14:17.53WyzardFastPutty: which tells the client that packets destined for the Internet should be sent to the gateway (your VPN server)
14:18.09FastPuttyWyzard: i add route add default gw 10.0.0.1
14:18.13FastPuttywhich should be fine no?
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14:18.26WyzardFastPutty: That part is working, but the gateway (VPN server) needs to be configured to actually route those packets to the Internet
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14:18.45FastPuttywyzard no it look like this aprt doesnt work well
14:18.51FastPuttyWyzard: when i type "route"
14:18.57FastPuttyit took like 2-3 sec to show me the default route
14:19.03FastPuttyWyzard: a lag...
14:19.05WyzardFastPutty: Try "route -n"
14:19.18aplushostI am currently installing nivida drivers on debian, however i acidently started installing legacy ones, how can i remove the kernel module.
14:19.29WyzardFastPutty: No lag there, right?
14:19.31aplushostI run "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx
14:19.31aplushost" however i needed to run "m-a auto-install nvidia"
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14:20.21FastPuttyWyzard: you right no lag
14:20.34aplushostWhen i try and run "m-a auto-install nvidia" it complains about the legacy drivers already being there.
14:20.52WyzardFastPutty: The delay is because it's trying to do a reverse DNS lookup to find the hostname for an IP address, and that doesn't work because your DNS server is unreachable due to the routing problem
14:21.00wols_aplushost: uninstall them then?
14:21.02WyzardFastPutty: The "-n" tells it to not attempt the reverse lookup
14:21.09wols_doesn't make sense to have legacy and the normal ones both there
14:21.18aplushostThats what im trying to work out.
14:21.21WyzardFastPutty: so that delay doesn't directly indicate a problem; it's just a side effect
14:21.24FastPuttyWyzard: ok
14:21.24aplushostHow to unistall the legacy ones.
14:21.29wols_dpkg -l |grep nvidia
14:21.29dpkgNo packages found matching |grep nvidia
14:21.42wols_that will tell you what'S installed
14:21.43FastPuttyWyzard: so my porblem is in the iptables rules in the server side&
14:21.47FastPuttyWyzard: ?
14:21.57WyzardFastPutty: Either iptables or IP forwarding
14:22.04FastPuttyWyzard hmm
14:22.25WyzardFastPutty: From the client, ping 64.233.161.103 (that's www.google.com) and use tcpdump on the server to see if it's receiving the packets on tap0
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14:22.32aplushostIt shows the legacy one.
14:22.43aplushostHowever im not sure on the exact line to use to remove them.
14:22.50smharwhat is the package fot the kernel?
14:23.01abrotmanlinux-image-*
14:23.02geo-rgeis there a backport of kernel 2,6,18 with xen-3.1 or better?
14:23.03FastPuttywyzard you mean tap10 for server?
14:23.15WyzardFastPutty: oops, yes, tap10
14:23.16aplushost"nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.22-2-686" is what i need to remove.
14:23.21harkaplushost: the same as you remove any other package
14:23.33WyzardFastPutty: (Why tap10, btw?  Do you really have ten others?)
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14:23.55FastPuttyWyzard: because it something else, i was counting if succes this vpn, i will implent tap0 to 5
14:23.59FastPuttyWyzard: because it other side
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14:24.03FastPuttyWyzard: tap10 is just test one
14:24.04aplushostIt worked
14:24.05aplushostThanks
14:24.21FastPuttyWyzard: other site*
14:24.42Wyzardok
14:24.52FastPuttyWyzard: effectivly tap10 do not receive the google ip
14:24.53DemonSpecteris there a single command to install the development Station packages that I pass aptitude? or do I have to install every individual program through aptitude?
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14:25.09FastPuttyWyzard: but ican see 10.0.0.100 try to send gogle.com request to server
14:25.11abrotman!b-e DemonSpecter
14:25.11dpkgDemonSpecter: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
14:25.33WyzardFastPutty: I said to ping 64.233.161.103, not "www.google.com"
14:25.42WyzardFastPutty: because your DNS isn't working
14:25.48FastPuttyoops
14:25.50WyzardFastPutty: Ping the IP directly
14:26.02FastPuttywyzard: by the wa i have a bind9 server set up in the server machin..
14:26.05FastPuttyok i will do it
14:26.10aplushostAnother thing, i have a built in Graphics card and a PCI Nivida Card.
14:26.26FastPuttyoh wel it work ...
14:26.26WyzardFastPutty: Right now that doesn't matter...  we're troubleshooting one thing at a time
14:26.35aplushostIm using the Nivida PCI one, however when i run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" it shows the name of the onboard one.
14:26.39WyzardFastPutty: OK, so your default route on the client is correct
14:26.45FastPuttyWyzard: oh found the porblem :O
14:26.53FastPuttyWyzard: /etc/resolv was wrong ip -_-
14:26.57FastPuttyWyzard: damn
14:27.05WyzardFastPutty: The gateway receives the Google pings; if it doesn't forward them to the Internet, it's a configuration issue on the gateway
14:27.12WyzardFastPutty: The client and the VPN link are fine in this regard
14:27.19FastPuttyWyzard: client is fine now!
14:27.26FastPuttyWyzard: /etc/resolv was wrong -_-
14:27.37FastPuttyWyzard: damn stupid am i ...
14:27.44WyzardFastPutty: Internet access is working now on the client?
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14:27.48FastPuttyWyzard: thanks a lot for your time dude you help me a lot
14:27.50FastPuttyWyzard: internet work now
14:27.53FastPuttyi can ping google.com
14:27.58DemonSpecterthanks :)
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14:28.08FastPuttyWyzard: thanks a lot bro
14:28.12WyzardFastPutty: so your whole problem was a wrong DNS server address, and you didn't try anything like pinging hosts by IP on your own
14:28.19FastPuttyXDDDD
14:28.29FastPuttyWyzard: bcuz i type route
14:28.36FastPuttyi saw a lag, so i thought it was routing porblem
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14:29.06FastPuttyWyzard: thanks you wyzard O_O
14:29.52maxamillionahhh!!!!
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14:29.57maxamillion:P
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14:32.31Eulexhmm
14:32.34Eulexinteresting
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14:33.10harkyeah, i was surprised too
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14:36.22EulexI've got stable, testing and unstable apt sources, but testing set as default-release. shfs-utils currently doesn't exist in testing; I had the stable version installed. when unstable got a newer version, a dist-upgrade upgraded to the version from unstable. both the old and new version had a priority of 500. maybe I should lower the priority of unstable a little.
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14:37.21maxamillionEulex: maybe you should just run one branch at a time per machine
14:37.49pipelineEulex: google apt-pinning for dummies :P
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14:38.03stewEulex: right, if both versions have the same priority, it will alwyas take the higher version number
14:38.18harkEulex: yes, man apt_preferences
14:38.27Eulexmaxamillion, I do, in general. this is to be able to quickly look up what versions different software has. and sometimes I install stuff from unstable, and yes, I know, it's on my own risk.
14:38.31ma3xwhat's the dev package for toolame?
14:38.39Eulexpipeline & hark, I know how to pin stuff
14:38.45maxamillionEulex: ah ... ok
14:38.57stewma3x: apt-cache search toolame dev
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14:39.13ma3xstew, it gives me twolame-dev not too
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14:39.29geo-rgeis there a backport of kernel 2,6,18 with xen-3.1 or better?
14:39.30Eulexmaxamillion, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. when it requires upgrading some important system libraries, I abort it.
14:40.11maxamillionEulex: fair enough ... i would image that even combining them all would keep things as stable as most other distros
14:40.37rizHello. I've a doubt regarding the init.d script of spamassassin. In /etc/default/spamassassin the last line is: CRON=0 (if it's 0, is enable)
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14:40.48geo-rgeis there any kernel that has xen-3.1 or better?
14:40.56raggiwhat's easiest way to make an auto-install cd?
14:41.16harkEulex: i meant that the man page explains the behavior
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14:41.21lrphello
14:41.22stewma3x: then it sounds like there isn't one
14:41.30ma3xyeah
14:41.32lrpfinally i had to reinstall my workstation >)
14:41.32Eulexhark, ah
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14:43.03h725hi how can i mount the initrd file that comes with a kernel-image? (unzipping && and mount -o loop sais "you must specify filesystem type")
14:43.05alaehi all, someone kwow spanish?
14:43.10Ronin!es
14:43.10dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:43.24alaethanks
14:43.28Ronin:)
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14:43.33geo-rgeput an auto-install cd into my cd writer,,, add water,,, instant volvo!
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14:43.58waspiusis this not the command for configuring xserver?
14:44.00waspius<PROTECTED>
14:44.17Roninwaspius: too many spaces
14:44.17rizHello. I've a doubt regarding the init.d script of spamassassin. In /etc/default/spamassassin the last line is: CRON=0 (if it's 0, is enable). Under /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin there is an "if" condition tells: CRON=0 ...if [ "$CRON" = "0" ] ; then exit 0 .. In this way sa-update will never be update from crontab...
14:44.19geo-rgeno, you have spaces in there
14:44.19Ronin!drxx
14:44.20dpkgTo reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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14:44.46waspiusok thanx
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14:47.32pipelinergr: update-grub
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14:49.03rgrfor some reason the latest debina install (Lenny) it is not picking up my XP partition? Why might this be?
14:51.01abrotmanit's not there anymore ?
14:51.27rgrabrotman: it is. And I can add it manually.
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14:55.19bahadunnanyone know what /var/spool/mail/mail is for?
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14:58.34nodesktopdo you get Ctrl+A or still just A?
14:59.01nodesktop(that is, the events produced by the key autorepeat)
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14:59.42aarkerioHi! how can I play a .wav file in the console?
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15:01.09gkiagiaaarkerio: mplayer file.wav
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15:01.17abrotmanthat's a bit overkill for the console
15:02.58abrotmanaarkerio: moc is an ncurses palyer that says it can play WAV
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15:03.30aarkeriogkiagia, abrotman,  thx
15:03.57aarkerioI just wanna play the Cuckoo every four hours
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15:05.24abrotmanaarkerio: you are evil!
15:06.00aarkerio;-)
15:06.10abrotmanaarkerio: also .. apt-cache search wav play
15:06.16nodesktopaarkerio: maybe the package sox, but I don't know
15:06.23aarkeriothanks again
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15:09.07abrotmanwhere is what ?
15:09.14nodesktophow can I make aptitude display the versions of the packages it wants to install?
15:09.22abrotmanif you want to reconfigure X .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:09.28waspiusthe x configuration file
15:09.40nodesktopthere's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:09.47waspiusthanx
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15:19.13nodesktopis this entry in my /etc/apt/preferences correct to force apt to install testing's x server on my unstable system? "/" is for newline: Package: xserver-xorg* / Pin: release a=testing / Pin-Priority: 1001
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15:22.52waspiushow do u change runlevel?
15:23.02abrotmanchange it to do what ?
15:23.12jelly"telinit NEWRUNLEVEL"
15:23.12waspiusto be on runlevel 5
15:23.13abrotmantelinit 1 for example
15:23.16spqdoes anyone know how to remove a passphrase from a key? (i have a signed key with passphrase but my apps (apache, courier, postfix) need the password... that cant be automated...
15:23.21jelly!runlevel
15:23.21dpkg0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead.
15:23.22abrotmanwaspius: in debian .. runlevels 2-5 are the same
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15:23.45waspiusabrotman: ok
15:24.19abrotmanwaspius: what are you trying to do ?
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15:25.23waspiusits not me..a friend is trying to setup his xorg file because he cannot fix his resolution..and after running the command and restarting it failed to initialize..so
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15:26.01ma3xhow do I install mp3lame?
15:26.05abrotman!tell ma3x about lame
15:26.12ma3xwhy when I configure mplayer it doesnt detect toolame?
15:26.19abrotmanwaspius: what doesn't work? which driver? which card? what resolution
15:26.19ReVisionsDoes anyone have an idea why my debian downloads only at 260kb/s while on knoppix i download on 380kb/s ?
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15:26.22ma3xI see
15:26.29abrotmanReVisions: different mirror ?
15:26.31ReVisionsi searched on debian forums
15:26.40ReVisionsno...
15:26.48rgrWhat would be the recommended way of starting "camserv" whenever the system starts up? Debian Lenny.
15:26.49ReVisionson the same mirror
15:26.59ReVisionssame download source
15:27.05jellyma3x: If you are compiling mplayer on your own, what's wrong with marillat's build?
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15:27.22spqhow to remove a passphrase from a key? (i have a signed key with passphrase but my apps (apache, courier, postfix) need the password... that cant be automated...
15:27.25ma3xjelly, codecs missing and stuff
15:27.34jellyma3x: which ones?
15:27.36kipseronReVisions: try to restart your network interface
15:27.54ma3xjelly, I just prefer having the one from daily cvs?
15:27.56ma3xwhat's wrong with that?
15:28.09ReVisionskipseron, tried more the one time..
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15:28.11waspiusabrotman: he is trying to setup a nvidia card but because he has been experimenting on an older version we cannot update and upgrade so he cannot change his resoltution or install the nvidia driver
15:28.24ReVisionsi turned off my ipv6 and nothing helps
15:28.47waspiusbut he is running kubuntu
15:28.49kipseronooo maybe try suicide
15:28.51abrotmanspq: the ssl/ssh documents cover this
15:28.55kipseronrevision!
15:28.55abrotmanwaspius: so ask #kubuntu
15:29.10jellyma3x: you not being able to install relevant -dev packages, for one thing
15:29.19ReVisionskipseron, ?
15:29.20rgranyone? Best way to start a process like camserv at system boot?
15:29.27abrotman!run at startup
15:29.27dpkgMake a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot
15:29.38rgrthanks.
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15:29.58ma3xjelly how the hell are you gonna install it when it's not available?
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15:30.35jelly!info toolame lenny
15:30.41dpkgtoolame: (MPEG-1 layer 2 audio encoder), section sound, is optional. Version: 02l-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 296 kB
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15:30.51jellyma3x: you said?
15:31.06ma3xjelly, that's not the dev package
15:31.16jellyma3x: sorry, you didn't say which codecs were missing.
15:31.28nodesktopapt-get wants to upgrade my downgraded X, and apparently I can't pin all these packages using a wildcard in my /etc/apt/preferences.... what to do?
15:31.59ma3xjelly, simply put his build is not good, ask #mplayer if you want
15:32.05jellyma3x: marillat's repo has a shitload of codecs, so I'm wondering what is not there.
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15:32.47nodesktopoh, and the apt_preferences file doesn't describe the "Package:" field at all
15:32.53nodesktops/file/man page/
15:32.57h3sp4wnnodesktop: is just putting xserver-xorg-core on hold not sufficient ?
15:33.07h3sp4wnnodesktop: i.e aptitude hold xserver-xorg-core
15:33.10nodesktoph3sp4wn: no...
15:33.24nodesktophm is pinning != holding? then I have to try
15:33.36h3sp4wnnodesktop: Is this due to fglrx (on sid) ?
15:34.01nodesktoph3sp4wn: no, messed up keyboard driver (although I didn't find any bug report for it)
15:34.21h3sp4wnnodesktop: producing loads of stuff in .xsession-errors ?
15:34.22stewnodesktop: can you report it then?
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15:35.15nodesktoph3sp4wn: I don't see anything suspicious in .xsession-errors
15:35.33nodesktoph3sp4wn: also, holding the package didn't work... it still wants to upgrade all the other packages
15:35.38stewnodesktop: /msg dpkg bat
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15:36.19mkl1525Hi, we have 6 web servers that are all updated by svn - is there a recommendable tool to make a mass svn update instead of doing it one by one?
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15:36.37stewmkl1525: maybe clusterssh or dsh?
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15:36.53h3sp4wnnodesktop: What version do you need ? there could be another version on snapshot.debian.net from experimental at some point with the same abi and perhaps not the bug
15:37.01h3sp4wnnodesktop: or you could just switch to evdev
15:37.03Trewasnodesktop: xorg is supposed to be modular, so (maybe) it will work fine even if everything else but the one broken driver is upgraded, I had to do that for -mga driver (1.4.6 version in testing is the last with working multihead)
15:37.41mkl1525stew thanks will have a look
15:37.41nodesktopTrewas: but will it be binary compatible?
15:38.01nodesktoph3sp4wn: testing works as opposed to unstable; what's evdev?
15:38.19Trewasnodesktop: if they aren't compatible, there should be a dependency preventing upgrade
15:38.35stewnodesktop: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evdev
15:38.40nodesktopTrewas: well there isn't... ok I'll try
15:39.47nodesktopstew: hm? I managed to downgrade it all to testing (including that package), but now dist-upgrade wants to upgrade it back
15:40.10nodesktopstew: nevermind, didn't read
15:40.11stewdpkg: tell nodesktop about bat
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15:42.10nodesktophere's just the output of an attempt to run apt-get dist-upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/38623
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15:43.10nodesktopand apt-cache policy xserver-xorg: http://paste.debian.net/38624
15:43.13nodesktopif that helps...
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15:44.36stewnodesktop: so that apt-cache policy output isn't showing any pinnng (both testing and sid are at the default (500) priority)
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15:44.49h3sp4wnnodesktop: there is nothing in that package anyway
15:44.51nodesktopstew: I removed the pinning here
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15:46.28h3sp4wnIf I use an /etc/apt/apt.conf does that mean the stuff in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d is not sourced (I don't remember)
15:46.44stewh3sp4wn: no they are all used
15:46.51h3sp4wnstew: thanks
15:47.29stewnodesktop: i'd strongly recommend using the aptitude frontend, and there you can use '=' on a version to put it on hold or "F" on a newer version to "forbid" a newer version
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15:49.52ttHow do I go "forward" in w3m? What is the key binding?
15:50.04nodesktopstew: the problem is that I had to do this per-package, I think
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15:50.55nodesktopanyway, I'll try to use the testing's xserver-xorg-input-kbd with the unstable's xorg-server
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15:51.40nodesktopalthough I don't think it's a good idea
15:51.52stewnodesktop: you tried which?  hitting '=' or hitting 'F'?
15:52.29nodesktopstew: I tried both "Pin:" in apt/preferences and "aptitude hold ..."
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15:53.02stewnodesktop: i'd strongly recommend using the aptitude frontend, and there you can use '=' on a version to put it on hold or "F" on a newer version to "forbid" a newer version
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15:58.40uttaraHow do I install audacious on debian?
15:58.44nodesktopdoesn't work, giving up
15:59.10nodesktopI'll pin it manually
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15:59.14damjan|workanyone knows how to burn a single session DVD with growisofs?
15:59.21hwildehow can I set an ethernet port to 10MBps or 100MBps ?
15:59.29stewnodesktop: using '=' and 'F' doesn't work?
15:59.38rahulhwilde: mii-tool... it doesn't autodetect right?
15:59.42damjan|workhwilde: with ethtool
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15:59.55nodesktopstew: I played around with "aptitude forbid-version ..." a bit
15:59.59damjan|workhwilde: first disable autonegitiate, then set the speed
16:00.00hwildesome laptops do not detect right
16:00.05hwildewhat are the commands ?
16:00.14rahulwe just told you the commands
16:00.23rahulwake up, man
16:00.26damjan|workhwilde: man ethtool
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16:01.36hwildeso I have to run   "ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off"   first, and then   "ethtool -s eth0 speed 10"   ?
16:02.20abrotman!info audacious etch
16:02.34dpkgaudacious: (Small and fast audio player which supports lots of formats), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 736 kB, Installed size: 2352 kB
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16:03.46uttaraabrotman: I tried installing it using "apt-get install audacious". It is giving me error msg saying, there is no such package.
16:03.49uttaraI am new to debian
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16:05.03nodesktopcompared to xmms, audacious is quite slow
16:05.21cab_xmms is great
16:05.41cahootbut dead?
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16:06.16nodesktopI guess the fact that it still doesn't use GTK2 makes it fast
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16:06.26TrueDDSalut à tous
16:06.36TrueDDhi all
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16:08.05Trewastoo bad xmms file dialogs etc look horrible among gtk2 programs
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16:09.24nodesktopoh wow... I use "old" xserver-xorg-input-kbd with the new x server, and now the keyboard leds work, but input doesn't
16:09.38daliaslol
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16:09.47daliaswhy are they taking so long to fix the leds?
16:10.00nodesktopactually the leds aren't my problem
16:10.21nodesktopbut sth. other issue with keyboard input
16:10.50nodesktop"(EE) Failed to load module "kbd" (module does not exist, 0)"
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16:13.21nodesktopsigh and now aptitude reports all xserver-xorg packages as broken
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16:14.23MaliqueHey guys, just wondering, is there some way possibly of having some kind of symlink-like redirection for files on a personal debian repository?
16:14.31stewnodesktop: broken because of which dependency?  (hitting enter on that version should hilight the broken dependency)
16:14.52stewMalique: can you be more specific?
16:15.05beardyMalique: Not sure what you mean, but look into virtual packages.
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16:15.41nodesktopstew: how exactly does it when highlight what?
16:16.49MaliqueOK, basically I have a server at home which I want to host a personal deb repository. However, it's behind a really slow connection, so I don't want to host huge files on it. Instead, I was hoping it might be possible to symlink a deb file from an outside HTTP address somehow, so that apt-get will FIND the package on my server, but actually DOWNLOAD it from it's source address
16:16.58MaliqueIs it possible?
16:17.24stewnodesktop: broken dependencies will be in red
16:17.52nodesktopstew: there was nothing highlighted red
16:17.53MaliqueIt's for all those pretty deb files that are by their lonesome on the net, that I'd like to put inside a neat repo until I find a proper one that hosts them in the future
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16:18.05dnanarhi all !
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16:19.20nodesktopnow it at least provides to remove all packages
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16:19.27dnanari'm on debian sid and i do not success to install libmpich1.0ldbl, is it a known bug please: http://rafb.net/p/yZJUbh49.txt ?
16:19.31stewnodesktop: hit '/' to search then '~b' (which means broken package), when you get to the broken pacakge, hit <enter> to go to the details of that package,  in there will be a list of dependencies and the unsatisfied dependencies will be read with "UNSATISFIED" in the line
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16:19.35nodesktopthen I can install the old version again huh
16:19.51stewnodesktop: ther is no reason to remove them
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16:19.59MaliqueI have no idea if it can be done. I got suggestions already about using FUSE to mount the HTTP directory, but that still involves the server first downloading the file in question, and the relaying it anyway
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16:20.03nodesktopstew: oh... do you mean to use the GUI? I'm using the commandline version only
16:20.10wAndyw78Hi at all. How secure is a connection via WinXP to a samba server via "user" security? Have I to be paranoid to use a vpn tunnel?
16:20.12stewnodesktop: if you want an older version, go to the details page for that package, select the version you want from the botton and hit +
16:20.14nodesktopstew: yes there is... I want to downgrade X again
16:20.17dnanar"dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)" what's the heck does this mean ?
16:20.27stewnodesktop: yes, i've been speaking about the gui the entire time
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16:20.37nodesktopstew: well that explains some things...
16:20.44stewotherwise i don't know how you were trying to follow anything i was saying
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16:21.15azi_hm.. how can i install java on debian? i can't find the proper package name :-( i need the developement tools and everything required to develop java apps
16:22.13nodesktopazi_: sun-java6-jdk
16:22.27nodesktop(which is the official one from Sun)
16:22.37themillor -java5 if you're on etch
16:22.38wAndyw78azi_: you have the choice between gcj or the SUN java
16:22.38azi_nodesktop: thank you
16:22.47zoredacheazi_: you need the non-free repository enabled
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16:22.53azi_E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jdk
16:22.58azi_zoredache: hm..
16:23.00themill!tell azi about install java
16:23.34azi_themill: all quiet ;)
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16:23.43MaliqueSo, is my suggestion possible?
16:23.46themill!tell azi_ about install java
16:23.51themillahh... you've got a tail....
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16:24.02wAndyw78azi_: add "non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:24.12smharhi all
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16:24.59nodesktopheh that's awkward... I have to execute the same aptitude commandline twice... first time, it would remove all the unwanted packages... and the second time it installs what I actually want
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16:25.36azi_wAndyw78: i've forgot - how do i update the source lists then?
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16:26.04stewazi_: what version of debian are you running?
16:26.18wAndyw78azi_:apt-get update
16:26.29azi_stew: i've taken the stripped one
16:26.34azi_stew: from debian.org
16:26.36azi_wAndyw78: thank you
16:27.09themillazi_: cat /etc/debian_version
16:27.15Maliquestew? beardy? anyone? LOL
16:27.21stewMalique: what are you trying to do?
16:27.30MaliqueOK, basically I have a server at home which I want to host a personal deb repository. However, it's behind a really slow connection, so I don't want to host huge files on it. Instead, I was hoping it might be possible to symlink a deb file from an outside HTTP address somehow, so that apt-get will FIND the package on my server, but actually DOWNLOAD it from it's source address
16:27.35smharI have a toshiba satallite notebook with ATI Radeon X1200 graphics controller, X is currently configured with vesa driver, I tried the fglrx one-liner, but nothing changed
16:27.39MaliqueIt's for all those pretty deb files that are by their lonesome on the net, that I'd like to put inside a neat repo until I find a proper one that hosts them in the future
16:27.51MaliqueI have no idea if it can be done. I got suggestions already about using FUSE to mount the HTTP directory, but that still involves the server first downloading the file in question, and the relaying it anyway
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16:28.22azi_themill: no such file
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16:28.39Roninazi_: you have no /etc/debian_version ?
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16:28.51themillazi_: ok... can you pastebin   apt-cache policy libc6
16:29.17stewMalique: i don't follow.  what do you mean by "apt-get will FIND the package on my server"
16:29.21azi_Linux version 2.6.23-rc5 (root@developah) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Thu Sep 6 10:11:20 CDT 2007
16:29.52stewMalique: oh, i guess i understand, you want Pacakges.gz on your server to refer to other repositories.   i doubt that is possible
16:29.52azi_http://rafb.net/p/OScyIn48.html
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16:30.48Maliquestew: if I set, say, my laptop to use my server as a repo, it can find the package for what I want. But the deb file on my server actually links to a deb file on a HTTP website, and apt-get on my laptop downloads it from that location rather than from my server
16:31.03MaliqueThat's what I'm aiming for
16:31.15themillazi_: could you please tell us the version of libc6 you have, and explain very carefully how you installed and what you have done since.
16:31.34stewthemill: he did
16:31.44azi_themill: i've pasted it on rafb
16:31.49stewthemill: why do you need to know what he has done since.  he's running etch.
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16:32.00azi_themill: i've installed everything on a virtual machine, using the minimal debian CD
16:32.07azi_themill: the one that fits on a business card
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16:32.21stewazi_: you want sun-java5-jdk which is not in debian, but is in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free
16:32.31mooperhi, I have a dual monitor setup with ati big desktop thingy. When I go full screen with a VM on server it uses both screens. with a duplicate in each screen. How Can I keep the VM to one screen?
16:32.45themillstew: sorry -- I missed the pastebin. And since /etc/debian_version doesn't exist, I was wanting more information to make sure I knew what I was dealing with.
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16:33.05themillazi_: sorry, missed your pastebin
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16:33.28themillazi_: and I didn't know what you meant by "stripped" one... I do now ;)
16:33.51themillazi_: ok. so make sure you have "contrib non-free" at the end of your lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:34.22azi_themill: thank you
16:34.40Maliquestew: Say, for instance, I want to use apt-get to install Swiftweasel (which, as far as I know, isn't in any repository). There is a deb file for Swiftweasel, but no repository. I want to make a link in my server so that when I use my laptop to download it, apt-get actually downloads it from the SourceForge servers where the deb actually is
16:35.11wAndyw78azi_: yes, then apt-get update; And then try "apt-cache search sun-java" ....
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16:35.23themillazi_: once you've done that; aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java5-jdk
16:35.40themillazi_: if you want java6, then that's in backports.org: /msg dpkg backports.org
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16:36.31MaliqueAlternatively, you could leave... LOL
16:36.40MaliqueI'll take that as "that's a stupid question"
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16:38.05MaliqueCan anyone else let me know if my proposal is possible?
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16:39.47beardyMalique: Just add your own repository then. But don't complain if what you install from it breaks things.
16:40.15beardyAnd someone may remember the factoid you want.
16:40.52beardy!own repository
16:41.15Maliquebeardy: read up for what I'm actually asking
16:41.36beardyMalique: Say what you actually are asking.
16:41.51MaliqueI have, twice, ok I'll ask again the third time:
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16:41.58MaliqueOK, basically I have a server at home which I want to host a personal deb repository. However, it's behind a really slow connection, so I don't want to host huge files on it. Instead, I was hoping it might be possible to symlink a deb file from an outside HTTP address somehow, so that apt-get will FIND the package on my server, but actually DOWNLOAD it from it's source address
16:42.03MaliqueIt's for all those pretty deb files that are by their lonesome on the net, that I'd like to put inside a neat repo until I find a proper one that hosts them in the future
16:42.08MaliqueI have no idea if it can be done. I got suggestions already about using FUSE to mount the HTTP directory, but that still involves the server first downloading the file in question, and the relaying it anyway
16:42.15Maliquestew: Say, for instance, I want to use apt-get to install Swiftweasel (which, as far as I know, isn't in any repository). There is a deb file for Swiftweasel, but no repository. I want to make a link in my server so that when I use my laptop to download it, apt-get actually downloads it from the SourceForge servers where the deb actually is
16:42.32Maliquestew: if I set, say, my laptop to use my server as a repo, it can find the package for what I want. But the deb file on my server actually links to a deb file on a HTTP website, and apt-get on my laptop downloads it from that location rather than from my server
16:42.49MaliqueThat's what I've asked about it from before. I don't know if I can make it any clearer than that
16:43.19zoredachelook at setting up your own reposiry, build your Packages file, and put full URLS into it?
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16:43.54Maliquezoredache: you mean in the Packages file itself?
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16:44.19dondelelcaroMalique: yes, the alternative is doing http redirects
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16:44.40MaliqueOK, thank you, lemme try that then
16:44.40dondelelcaroMalique: I'm not sure if apt will actually follow them, but if it does, that's the way to do it
16:44.41zoredacheyes, when you are building your own respostry you build a file Packages then describes the available packages...
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16:45.33ivhi all
16:45.42zoredacheyou may be able to adjust the Filename: to point to a full url...
16:45.44h3sp4wnMalique: You can make one with dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null|gzip -9>Packages.gz
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16:46.41_MDMA_hi all
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16:47.54_MDMA_I`m searching for xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4-2. Is there a repository or something with old package versions
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16:49.12mzuverinkI have a WD My Book, named "My Book" (I did not name it that, it came that way) and it is fat 32.  I would like to change the name to get rid of all the problems caused by the space in itd device name.  Anyway to do that w/o formating the drive, mtab lists it as "/dev/sdb1 /media/My\040Book", would using that in my path avoid the space issues?
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16:51.30pocukraniconfigure: error: libpng is required butt i have installed libpng; this error i get when i try to configure amsn
16:51.53MaliqueOK guys, nope: the redirection in Packages didn't work. It tries to find the URL WITHIN my server :s
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16:53.14zoredachepocukrani: try libpng-dev?
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16:54.05pocukranizoredache, not help
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16:55.43mooper!elegant
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16:56.07dooglusI'm trying to dist-upgrade my old laptop.
16:56.10MaliqueAny other ideas?
16:56.18dooglusit runs unstable, but I didn't upgrade it for 6 months or so
16:56.35dooglusthere are hundreds of packages to install of course, and it's getting stuck running 'lilo -t'
16:56.43mooper!nasty
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16:58.33themillmooper: there might be a setting in your window manager that helps work around that bug.
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16:59.16themillmooper: but since more likely the problem is in vmware or fglrx and since we can't look at the source code of either of those to fix the bugs, there's not much we can help you.
16:59.24themill*help you with
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16:59.52mzuverinkIs there a linux rename drive type command?
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17:00.13damjan|workmzuverink: rename drive? what drive?
17:00.22themille2label
17:00.27damjan|workmzuverink: do you mean filesystem labels?
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17:00.30themillat a *really* mild guess
17:00.34themill*wild
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17:01.33mzuverinkdamjan|work, I have a wd my book that I want to rename w/o formatting it, the space between my and book is causing bash problems, I need to know how to change it to something else
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17:02.00damjan|workmzuverink: right click in KDE and you can rename it there
17:02.06Malique*sigh* I guess it won't work :(
17:02.07mzuverinkdamjan|work, im in gnome
17:02.15damjan|workmzuverink: thats lame
17:02.24mzuverinkyeah, work machine
17:02.37damjan|workmzuverink: I guess it might be same
17:02.48damjan|workmzuverink: but never used gnome so I don't know
17:02.53h3sp4wnmzuverink: what filesytem is it formatted as ?
17:03.03mzuverinkdamjan|work, fat32
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17:03.30mooperthemill, ta, I wasn't holding out much hope
17:03.30enoufyour drives suck ass and so do you
17:03.35mzuverinkIf I plug it into a winblows machine it wants to make it NTFS
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17:03.47enoufand it's ubuntu, not debian
17:03.52enoufso it figures
17:03.55mzuverinkthanks enouf
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17:04.13enouf!congratulate mzuverink
17:04.14dpkgWoohoo mzuverink, you did it!
17:04.21damjan|workmzuverink: you can actually use mlabel from mtools
17:04.41mzuverinkdamjan|work, ok, will try that
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17:04.54mzuverinkdamjan|work, thanks
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17:07.50lymecaI have SSHFS running and working with the fuse-utils package installed, and I'm trying to automount an SSHFS via /etc/fstab
17:08.16lymecaBut I'm not quite sure how to format it.  I read things on Google which say the format of the SSHFS line in fsbat depends on the /sbin/fuse.mount file used.
17:08.32lymecaMy fuse.mount file is from the fuse-utils package in Debian though
17:08.47damjan|worklymeca: isn't it mount.fuse?
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17:09.07lymecaSo is there a place I can read about how to properly format the SSHFS line in fstab so that it's automatically mounted and writeable by users?
17:09.11lymecaAh yes my mistake.
17:09.21lymecadamjan|work: The question still stands regardless
17:09.29bonez39what might cause this error message???  >>>   Failed to fetch http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/dists/etch/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
17:09.44bonez39i am NOT running etch...but sarge.on this box...i have NO reference in sources.list to etch anything..
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17:10.26damjan|worklymeca: first hit on google http://www.debuntu.org/2006/04/27/39-mounting-a-fuse-filesystem-form-etcfstab
17:10.26azeembonez39: pastebin your sources.list
17:10.38jellylymeca: dunno for sshfs, but fuse-based ntfs-3g  line looks like this: ntfs-3g#/dev/sdc1 /media/usbdisk fuse defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 0 0
17:10.50themillbonez39: now we say this earlier today too and couldn't work it out either.
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17:11.47themillGuerin: ping
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17:12.03jellylymeca: I tried making sshfs work with automount but with little luck.  Seems that sshfs really wants to be run as the user, running it as root + uid= option makes the mount point unaccessible for the user.
17:12.26lymecadamjan|work, jelly: Wow, I feel silly, I had the line added and was running mount -a to try and get ti to work but nothing happened but it was becuase I forgot to remove the 'noauto' option.
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17:12.46bonez39azeem, themill    here is my sources.list     http://pastebin.ca/723240
17:12.56lymecaWow I don't even see the mount point as a normal user
17:13.26h3sp4wnlymeca: did you try shfs also ? (its simpler so might work more easily)
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17:14.57jellylymeca: try adding option user, then doing mount /mount/point as that user.
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17:15.09azeembonez39: what command did you run when you got the above error?
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17:15.29bonez39azeem    I run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
17:15.33themillbonez39: and you don't have an /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ do you? (although I think that's a post-sarge thing)
17:15.54lymecajelly: Right now the local mount point for my client is in a directory within root
17:16.05nathan___I am having trouble installing debian
17:16.39lymecafuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied   jelly
17:16.45Roninnathan___: more specific please
17:16.46nathan___it says it can't detect my cdrom or something like that and it asks if I have a driver floppy
17:16.51bonez39themill:    yes, this was in ~/sources.list.d/    deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main #WineHQ - Debian 4.0 "Etch"
17:16.51bonez39deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main #WineHQ - Debian 4.0 "Etch"
17:16.51jellylymeca: need to add user to group fuse
17:17.04themillbonez39: that will do it to you ;)
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17:17.15nathan___I installed debian perfectly twice at home but this computer is at work and it's having trouble
17:17.16bonez39themill: should I get rid of that entry there then?
17:17.48lymecajelly still denies
17:18.02lymecaUnless I have to update my changes with the /etc/group somehow
17:18.11jellylymeca: you need to log out and log in again to gain the group
17:18.11lymecaI added lymeca as a username in the fuse grou
17:18.12themillbonez39: the only thing that's in that repo is wine, so if you don't want to keep updating wine (and that repo has died), then yes: Either delete the file or add # to the start of the lines
17:18.15lymecabah
17:18.26lymecajelly: OKay but what about auto mounting?
17:18.30nathan___my system here has a sony dvd and a liteon dvdrw
17:18.36nathan___I tried installing from both
17:18.45nathan___they are both ide and my hd is sata
17:18.55nathan___I don't know what other info to give
17:19.18jellylymeca: for sshfs?  I don't see how, because of the weird property of fuse filesystem making the tree available only to the user that mounted it
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17:20.46bonez39themill: thanks for the tip
17:20.59themillbonez39: any time ;)
17:21.02Tabakhasehallo
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17:23.48Sponzorhttp://rafb.net/p/mffM5q99.html
17:23.52Sponzorwhat is wrong?
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17:24.21azeemSponzor: set your LANG to C to provide english error messages
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17:24.46daliasLC_MESSAGES=C rather...
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17:25.02Sponzorhmm
17:25.04Sponzorhow to do that?
17:25.18daliasjust write LC_MESSAGES=C at the beginning of the command line for that command
17:25.25daliasand it will override for just one command
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17:25.59cdefHow come It's impossible to boot the 64bit version of debian, but the 32 bit version works fine?
17:26.02Sponzorhttp://rafb.net/p/8kOc4r26.html
17:26.35lymecajelly: Okay I can mount it as a normal user!
17:26.37lymecaAnd transferring files works
17:26.48lymecaThe only thing is that I have to type the mount command followed by the SSH password
17:26.51abrotmancdef: you're not using a 64bit machine perhaps ?
17:26.58cdefIt sure is
17:26.58lymecaI don't suppose there's a way to automate that as well?
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17:27.07jellylymeca: ssh keys.
17:27.26abrotmancdef: does it boot at all ?
17:27.37cdefNope, It just spins the CD end then continues on booting
17:27.41cdef*and
17:27.55abrotmanput the CD in another machine .. can you read it ?
17:27.58lymecajelly: That would handle the password
17:28.02lymecaBut not the mount command
17:28.19cdefIll check
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17:28.36Sponzoranyone knows what is wrong?
17:28.48jellylymeca: su - you -c "mount ..." in a boot script
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17:29.13cdefYes, It's readable
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17:29.56jellylymeca: or report a bug stating that -o uid= doesn't work as expected on fuse filesystems ;-)
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17:30.14lymecaI'm not using -o uid=
17:30.25cdefIs it possible to install a 32bit version and the upgrade it to a 64bit one?
17:30.28lymecaThe only options I have are defaults,user
17:30.43lymecafuse    defaults,user   0       0
17:30.45wols_cdef: no
17:30.54cdefcrap
17:30.56wols_reinstall needed: different platforms
17:31.07wols_you can use a 64bit kernel in a 32bit debian tho
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17:31.21jellylymeca: hm.  why would it give you access, then?
17:31.22wols_so the system as a whole can use >4GB but each single process can't
17:31.33cdefFlashy
17:31.57lymecaBecause my username is in the fuse group, the user option is in the fstab line, and because the local directory I'm mounting the sshfs share onto is 777 permissions
17:32.06cdefoh well
17:32.08lymeca....or perhaps some combination of those
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17:32.46jellylymeca: fuse only give access to the user doing the mount.  unix permissions are secoundary to that
17:32.59lymecaWell I ran the mount command as lymeca
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17:33.06lymecaThen typed the SSH password
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17:33.08jellylymeca: so it worked, didn't it
17:33.09lymecathen it worked
17:33.27ameyerwols_: if a process needs more than 4 GB of memory, you might need to restart Firefox...
17:33.30lymecaI should probably get SSH keys set up before worrying about the mount command, eh?
17:33.36ameyers/Firefox/Iceweasel/
17:33.41jellylymeca: but if you didn't have noauto, then it would get mounted as root, as you wouldn't have access
17:33.59lymecaWell I did get rid of noauto
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17:34.36lymecatype fuse (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,max_read=65536,user=lymeca)
17:34.51lymecaThat's AFTER I manually mount it with lymeca
17:34.56lymecaBut it's way easier now anyway
17:34.59jellylymeca: better put that noauto back... mount will fail
17:35.06lymecaBut it didn't
17:35.17jellylymeca: did you reboot?
17:35.29lymecaIdeally it would mount automatically and have SSH keys set up so no password is required
17:35.30lymecayes I did
17:35.38jellylymeca: I mean mount at boot will fail.
17:35.57lymecaYeah mount at boot did not work *without* noauto
17:36.05jellyright
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17:36.23jellyso you've already seen what happens, ok :-)
17:36.24lymecaAdding noauto doesn't seem to help things I wouldn't think
17:37.09jellylymeca: noauto makes the boot process not even try to mount, which is good since it'd fail anyway
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17:37.53sidWhat is a good software to use for collaborating on ODF Documents, office documents. spread sheets etc
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17:38.15lymecaBut I *do* want it mounted automatically ideally, just read/writable by my username and not just root
17:38.38lymecaIt seems there are two barriers to that: SSH keys and autoexecuting the mount command as a user
17:38.41jellylymeca: so run the above su at boot time.
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17:38.50lymecawhich su?
17:39.00lymecaAnd even if I did, what about the SSH password?
17:39.03jelly[19:28] <jelly> lymeca: su - you -c "mount ..." in a boot script
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17:39.15lymecaumm
17:39.24lymecasu - lymeca -c "mount /mnt"
17:39.26lymecaLike that?
17:39.31jellyyes
17:39.47jelly!ssh keys
17:39.48dpkgssh keys is, like, http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/
17:39.48lymecaSo if I add that I should also add noauto in the fstab entry
17:40.13jellyhm, there's also
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17:40.24jelly!ssh without password
17:40.24dpkgwell, ssh without passwd is (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa  (2) append the contents of the client's ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  (3) on the client: make sure 'Protocol 2' or 'Protocol 2,1' is in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config
17:41.21jelly!have you got anything without spam
17:41.21dpkgWell, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it
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17:42.23ignotushi, "/tmp/1/lftp-3.5.14/readline-4.3/terminal.c:657: undefined reference to `tputs'", what do I have to apt-get?
17:42.29lymecajelly: su - lymeca -c "mount /mnt"
17:42.29lymecaexit 0
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17:42.46babilenhi....
17:43.06lymecaThat's in my /etc/rc.local and in fstab I added back noauto in the sshfs line
17:43.07babilenany way to persuade aptitude to tell me why packages are being kept back from upgrading?
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17:43.31jellylymeca: that ought to be enough
17:43.49nathan__1debian won't install here at work; it claims it needs driver disk to see my cd rom
17:43.52lymecaExcept for the SSH keys =]
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17:44.28jelly!be a reading barbie
17:44.28dpkgAww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly
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17:44.41wols_nathan__1: what chipset?
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17:46.10BatchzHey again, I just installed kde and kdm, but when it loads up to login, the nvidia screen flashes then just goes to a blank screen, i have configured it and theres no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:46.22nathan__1wols_: not sure how to check
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17:46.34nathan__1wols_: I'm in ubuntu atm
17:46.35wols_with lspci for example
17:46.52wols_anyways, dpkg messaged you something. heed it
17:47.05wols_Batchz: do a startx from console
17:47.13BatchzIm not using gnome
17:47.16Batchzoh
17:47.20Batchzi can switch to kde right?
17:47.26FastPuttyhi i would like to know if dhcp can go torugh another network?
17:47.27wols_yes you can
17:47.37Batchzyeah it flashes then goes to a blank screen
17:47.41nathan__1I don't think I have any messages
17:47.45babilenhei. i did an upgrade from sarge to etvh on one of our servers and mailman was making trouble. so i put it on "aptitude hold". i think i sorted out the issue now
17:47.52FastPuttywols: is it for me the "yes you can"
17:47.56babilenand want to upgrade mailman to the etch version...
17:48.00petemcFastPutty: not without something relaying it to that other network
17:48.04wols_nathan__1: I don't believe you "19:45 <dpkg> told nathan__1 about kmuto ("
17:48.16babilenbut it is "beaing kept back" .. any way to find out the reasons for that?
17:48.29wols_h3sp4wn: you setting it on hold obviously
17:48.58wols_FastPutty: no. ordinarily dhcp is non routable, but sometimes a router relays the packets
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17:49.09babilenwols_: if that was meant to me. yes, i "aptitude unhold"ed it... still won;t work
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17:49.32BatchzXorg doesnt give any errors :(
17:49.40wols_!tell babilen about hold
17:50.08wols_otherwise, there is some other reason why it won't install, the same reason why it made problems when you upgraded. e.g. maybe backports?
17:50.28babilennope no backports.. some encoding problems in the digest.mbox
17:51.00wols_install it explicitly and check what errors it gets
17:51.01wols_if any
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17:51.33FastPuttypetemc, wols_: let me give you picture of my small network and tell me if it possible to get dhcp go trough it..
17:52.02h3sp4wnwols_:
17:52.06h3sp4wnwols_: ?
17:52.44wols_hm?
17:53.01petemcyou misfired at h3sp4wn
17:53.26FastPuttywols, petemc: http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=network2fs9.jpg   can i have a way to get dhcp from client to the server
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17:54.37petemcFastPutty: yes
17:54.50FastPuttyhow? O_O
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17:55.08petemcFastPutty: what kind of firewall is that?
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17:55.13FastPuttyiptables
17:55.38FastPutty3 interface, eth0 = wan   eth1 = dhcp server network   eth2 = clients
17:55.49FastPuttyon the firewall
17:56.21petemci think ive seen dhcp go through some firewalls, something to do with packet socket or something
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17:56.38petemcbut, if that isnt the case now, google for iptables forward dhcp
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17:57.18edbarrettdoes anyone have any experience with the zabbix-server-pgsql package in etch?
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17:57.41FastPuttypetemc: is it same thing for active directory6
17:57.49petemcFastPutty: dhcp is dhcp
17:57.58petemcactive directory is something elsee
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17:58.07FastPuttyit work almost same thing i think
17:58.13petemcunless ad6 does something nuts
17:58.14FastPuttyits brodcasting packet in the network
17:58.24petemcthats how dhcp works, yes
17:58.35FastPuttyactive dreictory work liek this too if i am not wrong
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17:59.21petemcFastPutty: ad is kerberos/ldap/dns
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17:59.41FastPuttyso active directory work as ad..
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17:59.44FastPuttyso it diferent than dhcp then..
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17:59.59abrotmanedbarrett: if you're having a problem .. ask .. don't ask if anyone uses it
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18:00.51Piowhat can you do when apt-get gets a 404 trying to download a .deb?  I already changed mirrors, im now using the official ftp.us.debian.org repo.. trying to get unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-486_2.6.18+1.4+debian-7+etch2_i386.deb, and its missing from every mirror
18:01.36xinguPio: apt-get update?
18:01.44Pioalready did
18:01.49FastPuttypetemc: thanks for the info
18:01.50edbarrettheh.  I'm having a problem with zabbix-frontend-php and zabbix-server-pgsql, where the database gets created, but pulling up the frontend in a browser always displays the [ERROR: Login name or password is incorrect] and the dbserver logs "Unexpected EOF from client"
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18:02.25Batchzlmfao
18:02.38Batchzi just figured out, theres nothing apt-get dist-upgrade cant fix
18:02.45edbarrettI can connect to the database from the webserver and things seem okay (the database is populated) but the frontend seems broken.
18:02.46abrotmanPio: try another mirror
18:02.52Batchzi finally fixed kde
18:02.53Pioi've already tried 2, but ok
18:02.55Batchz<3 @ room
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18:02.57Pioi'll try a third..
18:02.57abrotmanPio: uhm .. do you ahve a security line in your soruces ?
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18:02.59edbarrettIt doesn't matter if I have the frontend and the database on the same machine or not
18:03.00BatchzThanks heaps :D
18:03.12Piodeb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
18:03.21abrotman!info unionfs-modules etch
18:03.31abrotmanargh
18:03.34abrotman!find unionfs-modules etch
18:03.36dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'unionfs-modules' (10 of 15): unionfs-modules-2.6-486 ;; unionfs-modules-2.6-686 ;; unionfs-modules-2.6-686-bigmem ;; unionfs-modules-2.6-amd64 ;; unionfs-modules-2.6-k7 ;; unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-486 ;; unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-686 ;; unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem ;; unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-amd64 ;; unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-k7.
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18:04.06adaro!find postgresql woody
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18:04.27BatchzWell
18:04.39abrotmanPio: apt-cache policy unionfs-modules-2.6.18-4-486
18:04.40BatchzThis room owns Thanks <3
18:05.10Piohttp://pio.longstair.com/misc/output.txt
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18:06.39abrotmanPio: try the --print-uris with apt-get .. and see if you can manually wget the package
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18:07.25PioHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
18:07.29h3sp4wnPio: any reason you are not on -5 anyway ? (should be for security reasons)
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18:08.28abrotmanPio: if i had to guess .. it's missing because they no longer function as -4-  and they'd need to be -5-
18:08.41Piok.. interesting
18:08.47Pioim trying to figure out why im not on -5
18:09.00abrotmanfor your kernel ?
18:09.05Pioyeah
18:09.23abrotmaninstall the metapackage for your CPU .. and then aptitude update .. and then try to upgrade or explicitly install the kernel
18:09.49abrotmanPio: what's your CPU ?
18:09.57Piopentium 3 .. coppermine
18:10.02Piothis is my router box
18:10.05abrotmanso you'd use linux-image-2.6-686
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18:10.16Pioyeah .. not sure why its using -486 now either heh
18:10.23Pioi dont pay enough attention to this machine
18:10.28abrotmanalternately .. you could even use linux-image-686
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18:11.29Piook, cool, installing it now
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18:13.49abrotman!qotd0
18:13.50dpkg* ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple
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18:14.16Max_-chgrp to change group for a file, what is it to change user?
18:14.21Max_-ohh chown, sorry
18:14.32Max_-lol
18:14.35FastPutty...
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18:15.13tinyWhere can I get some help on installing with RAID + LVM?
18:15.22tinyHello btw.
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18:16.00xandtiny: just ask.
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18:16.26bzidhave 2 questions about my debian gnome desktop (default install) 1) suddenly my manpages dont work :( i get something like this: Reformatting dig(1), please wait... and then it drops back to command prompt
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18:17.20bzidany ideas on that one?
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18:19.54F-LeloHi guys... how do I discover an IP thru nmbloodup?
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18:20.10abrotmanF-Lelo: is the other machine windows or running samba ?
18:20.18F-Leloyes, abroman
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18:20.32abrotmanshould just have to lookup the name
18:20.49F-Lelook, I know the name of it
18:21.02abrotmanso 'nmblookup HOSTNAME'
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18:21.08F-Leloonly that?
18:21.11F-LeloI was adding -A... o_O
18:21.22F-Leloguess I managed to make it harder than it is
18:21.25F-Lelothank you abrotman
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18:22.58x_linkDoes anybody know any command that I can use that will load my gpu to 90-100%?
18:23.14chlueHello. I need to transfer a lot of data between my laptop and pc (trusted enviroment, so no need for security). Currently I am using the still existing win-xp on my laptop where I have a configured ftp-server running, but it creeps with 4mbit/s@100%cpu. Can someone suggest me better solution which don't need much setup? (I thought about sshfs on / but I am not sure if this will be faster because of the encryption)
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18:23.48tinyxand: ok .. I've never installed a system on more then 2 disks(RAID1) and never with LVM. I have 6 identical disks. I'd like redundancy so I'm thinking RAID6.
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18:24.03abrotmanchlue: are both NICs at 100Mb ?
18:24.12chlueabrotman: yes
18:24.13tinycurrently I'm at "Partition disks" section and I'd like some help not to screw up. :)
18:24.18abrotmanis it MB or Mb ?
18:24.35abrotmanx_link: your gpu or cpu ?
18:24.40xandumm
18:24.43x_linkabrotman: GPU.
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18:24.53abrotmanx_link: how are you going to measure usage ?
18:24.55amadeuxUsing hdparm -Tt, I can see (and feel) that my hard disks are suddenly much slower than they used to be. I fiddled around with hdparm the other day, but I just tried rebooting to see if it helped. It didn't. How can I "reset" the hdparm settings back to normal? Would booting in Windows and then back into linux help?
18:24.56tinyThere are 4 options, Guided, Guided with LVM, Guided with encrypted LVM and manual
18:24.59xinguabrotman: I take it we've stopped building the full gamut of linux-image-...-586- etc ?
18:25.06x_linkabrotman: Well, didn't think of that =/
18:25.08xinguabrotman: ie, in the main pools
18:25.10abrotmanxingu: uhm .. -586? yes
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18:25.20abrotmanxingu: or you mean -5-486 ?
18:25.22chlueabrotman: MByte, but I am sure the system should be able to transfer at least 8MB/s.
18:25.23x_linkabrotman: I just got a new passive cooler for my GPU, just want to load it a bit so that I can see the temps.
18:25.26x_linkThat's all.
18:25.32abrotmanx_link: NFC ... ask #wankers :)
18:25.40abrotmanx_link: i'd guess try to play a game
18:25.45xinguabrotman: -586-; arch is tm5600, they take special care and feeding.
18:25.59abrotmanxingu: yeah .. just -486 and -586 now
18:26.03abrotmanerm .. -686
18:26.11abrotman!crush abrotman's fingers
18:26.24edbarretttiny: are you using a real hardware raid card or are you planning on using software raid?
18:26.25xinguabrotman: coolies; might be some merit in a quick openssl + libc6 ricing too then I guess
18:26.29abrotmanxingu: you could of course make your own
18:26.37x_linkabrotman: #wankers?
18:26.49xinguabrotman: yep that's right where I'm going next; needed to check with the font of wisdom first before wasting time though.
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18:27.33tinyedbarrett: I prefer software raid
18:27.52abrotmanx_link: sorry .. it was a ojke
18:27.58abrotmanx_link: just play a bunch of games ..
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18:27.59zoredachexingu: see if F@H has a gpu version for Linux?
18:28.13x_linkabrotman: Np. =)
18:28.14abrotmanx_link: i really have no idea of any bench test/stress suite for GPUs
18:28.16x_linkabrotman: I don't play games.
18:28.17tinyI'm currently partitioning the drives with physycal volume for raid
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18:28.18uttaraAfter installation, I rebooted my system. Now the maximum screen resolution is 600x480. Does anybody know the solution to this problem??
18:28.24zoredachex_link: rather
18:28.25tiny*physical
18:28.38x_linkabrotman: When I want to load my CPU I just  write "yes" in my konsole.
18:28.40uttaraIt should have been 1024x768
18:28.46x_linkI open 2 konsoles and write "yes" in both of them.
18:28.49abrotmanx_link: you can use cpuburn for CPUs
18:28.54x_linkzoredache: Rather what?
18:28.56x_linkabrotman: Okej.
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18:29.02x_linkabrotman: aptitude install cpuburn?
18:29.09abrotmanx_link: fair warning about cpuburn .. i killed a machine with it
18:29.16zoredachex_link: look for a F@H gpu client for your system
18:29.43tinyIs it possible to boot from RAID6 or I create /boot ?
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18:29.46abrotmanx_link: maybe ask #hardware if they know a way to beat up GPUs .. or maybe even #xorg
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18:29.56zoredachex_link: it is one of those distrobuted computing things... I know they have gpu cores that work from some cards (http://folding.stanford.edu/)
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18:30.06x_linkabrotman: Okej.
18:30.15xingux_link: if you really want a gpu stress, go grab specviewperf
18:30.15x_linkabrotman: I will not use cpuburn then =)
18:30.31xingux_link: distro is a bit on the huge side, but it'll definitely give you a good hard GL wedgie.
18:30.31abrotmanthere was a benchmarking suite that tehy started to make for linux
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18:30.36edbarretttiny: I don't know about booting from raid6. I have my / on a software raid 1 and everything else in LVM on software raid
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18:31.28x_linkDamn I really like my new cooler =)
18:31.40xingux_link: http://www.spec.org/gwpg/downloadindex.html <-- full release is 650MB
18:31.47abrotmanx_link: http://freshmeat.net/projects/globs/
18:31.57abrotmanx_link: and i have no idea how much it will stress it
18:31.58nvzx_link: relax it doesn't even hold beer.. so what good is it
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18:32.32x_linkxingu: Is that only for loading the GPU?
18:32.43x_linknvz: =)
18:32.51xingux_link: depends how much hw accel you have ;)
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18:33.14xingux_link: if most of your OGL is hw accel - yes - if it's combi sw/hw - it'll stress cpu, too.
18:33.31tinyedbarrett: k, will do something like that
18:33.37x_linkxingu: Okej.
18:34.09xingux_link: it'll definitely tell you where your system bottleneck is graphics-wise, that's for sure. :)
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18:34.18nico__hi
18:34.21x_linkabrotman: Have you ever tried to write "yes" in your konsole?
18:34.29x_linkIsn't that loading the CPU?
18:34.40abrotmannot really .. not in a hard manner
18:34.41x_linkxingu: Okey, thanks.
18:34.45x_linkOkej.
18:35.02x_linkWell, when I look on lm-sensors it says it's on 95-100% loaded.
18:35.44fridoHi, anybody using debian's openvpn in bridge mode with client windows XPsp2 client ? I have problem with speed, it's still 10Mbps :(
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18:37.37TrueDDre
18:37.37raggiI want to be able to send a user a simple instruction to install debian and openssh-server onto a machine. I have looked at building my own debian cd, but the instructions are extremely wrong. I noticed this preseeding business, but it appears to not work from the standard netinst iso, can someone advise on a /quick/ way of doing this?
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18:38.23nico__anyone know why madwifi is considered non-free? i've read that it's because it relies on HAL, which is said to be closed source, however the source code seems to be available here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal
18:38.27nico__--> ?
18:38.59zoredachenico__ just because the source is available doesn't mean that it meats the dfsg
18:39.02abrotmannico__: isn't there a binary bit ?
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18:39.09MauL^I've newly installed debian. Debian is by default gave me a free java but I need java 1.4.6 so I installed it also but now java -version command is executed by the default java. How can I change it? thanks
18:39.14nico__zoredache, the what?
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18:39.29abrotmanhttp://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/m/madwifi/madwifi_0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch1/madwifi-source.copyright
18:39.35zoredachenico__: debian free software guidlines... a set of rules that describe how Debian defines free software
18:39.43abrotmanyes .. binary bits
18:39.55nico__ah ok
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18:40.18nico__so it might not be "free", it's still open sourced
18:40.37DustyBinShadowcat: is this the same Shadowcat?
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18:41.01zoredachenico__: it depends on how you define the 'open source'.  if you use the OSI's defenition then it may not be open source.  The OSI used the DFSG as their template
18:41.09abrotmanand how you define 'free' :)
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18:41.40Anarkhiim getting an error when trying to do apt-get update. first it gets a 404 on www.backports.org then Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing wsjt (NewVersion1)
18:41.44abrotman!mmap
18:41.44dpkgsomebody said dynamic mmap was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/  You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
18:41.51nico__i don't care much about freedom but well about opensourceness ;-)
18:42.17AnarkhiE: Problem with Mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian etc
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18:42.36wols_nico__: then you should MS' software. their "shared source" shit is exactly like that: look but don't touch
18:42.46wols_*should use
18:42.58nico__wols_, don't like it
18:43.06Max_-if I want to install firefox.... what package do I need?... the "firefox" is said to be for upgrades.. so I don't know... ?!
18:43.10Kurin-What's the recommended way to make full-server backups, so that I can restore from bare metal?
18:43.40MauL^:q
18:43.46MauL^:!
18:43.57xinguKurin-: mindi/ mondo?
18:43.58nico__wols_, anyway free+open is better than just open :-)
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18:44.20zoredacheKurin-: partimage works nicely if you can turn the server off... or perhaps just dd
18:44.31wols_nico__: just "open" is not enough for debian
18:44.36edbarrettMax_-: iceweasel
18:44.37nico__okay
18:44.46Max_-edbarrett : o.0 okay..
18:44.53Kurin-Well if I could turn the server off I'd use dump
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18:45.11Kurin-Unfortunately I need to be able to back up a live server
18:45.16Kurin-I had bacula but it wasn't really cutting it
18:45.23Max_-edbarrett : that's not firefox, it's BASED on it, but that's not it...
18:45.28edbarrettMax_-: Mozilla.org had a hissy fit a while ago and said debian can't call their packaged firefox "Firefox", so they changed the name to iceweasel
18:45.34wols_Kurin-: you cannot reliably make a backup of a full running server. you could always get inconsistent state of data
18:45.38RoninMax_-: current it is firefox
18:45.38nico__wols_, though i've debian seems to make exceptions for some stuff (or so claims gnewsense, whose homepage claims that debian includes non-free firmware stuff in the kernel)
18:45.40xinguKurin-: possibly amanda then
18:45.47Max_-edbarrett : ohh
18:45.48xinguwols_: with some thought and lvm snapshots, you can. :)
18:45.51nico__wols_, *i've read*
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18:45.55Kurin-Yeah, amanda's networking isn't so great
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18:45.58Max_-ok... trying it
18:46.03zoredachenico__: the biggest defining issue to me, is the ability to redistrubted changed stuff.  Anyway take time to read the DFSG, OSD, and perhaps the debian legal mail lists.  then you will know more then you really wanted to know about licenses
18:46.07Kurin-fbsd supports filesystem snapshots
18:46.10Kurin-those are nice
18:46.14Kurin-I'd rather not use LVM
18:46.36nico__zoredache, BSD license seems to be the best in that regard
18:47.00Element14what's wrong with LVM though?
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18:47.33Kurin-There's nothing wrong with it, it's just another point of complexity
18:47.40Kurin-And I'd have to reconfigure all the existing servers
18:48.44uttaraI have only these entries in my sources.list file:
18:48.44uttaradeb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
18:48.44uttaradeb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
18:48.44uttaraI think this is reason why I am not able to install icedove or other applications.
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18:48.50xinguKurin-: rsync then; and mondo for the disaster recovery bit.
18:48.57xinguKurin-: err mindi
18:48.59abrotman!tell uttara about sources.list
18:48.59HumanoidSo I just upgraded the xserver-xorg-core package, and suddenly libbitmap.so and libtype1.so are gone, and only libfreetype.so remains.  Is this a temporary problem, or have the 2 modules been removed from the upstream code?
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18:52.52tobb87hi, i'm using debian and vsftd. i think i have got some trouble with configuration
18:53.00tobb87but i don't find any usable log file
18:53.39tobb87in /var/log/vsftpd.log there is only unimportant stuf
18:53.44tobb87like:
18:53.44tobb87Tue Oct  2 18:20:55 2007 [pid 3025] [ftp] OK LOGIN: Client "192.168.0.5", anon p
18:53.44tobb87assword "mozilla@example.com"
18:53.44tobb87Tue Oct  2 18:20:55 2007 [pid 3027] [ftp] FAIL DOWNLOAD: Client "192.168.0.5", "
18:53.44tobb87/tobi/joman", 0.00Kbyte/sec
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18:54.27abrotmanyeah .. that's unimportant
18:55.07tobb87the time is 18:00 in the log mesage
18:55.11tobb87now its a little bit later
18:55.15tobb87and i ve got some problems
18:55.41FastPuttytobb what problem
18:56.00tinyCan't I put / on LVM?
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18:56.10tobb87i try to activate ssl_enable=YES
18:56.13abrotmantiny: with grub? i don't think so .. with lilo i think yes
18:56.23abrotmanor maybe that was swraid
18:56.25tobb87and now the vsftpd daemon does ot start
18:56.30tobb87not
18:56.36tinyabrotman: yes SW RAID
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18:56.59tinyabrotman: so no for swraid?
18:57.06abrotmani can't recall which has the issue
18:57.10tobb87but every other daemon would log the reason why it could not start...
18:57.17tobb87but vsftpd not... :-(
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18:57.57daliastobb87, maybe it's failing before it gets to a point of being able to log
18:57.58dakoolike setserial, is there anything for lpt ports?
18:57.58abrotmantry verbose mode ?
18:58.23daliasdakoo, nope, the settings are fixed at the time you load the module
18:58.30tobb87how sould i active verbose mode?
18:58.40daliasserial ports should be that way too, were it not for stupid legacy compatibility stuff...
18:58.51tobb87i start the daemon with /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
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18:59.04daliastobb87, maybe it's configured to load from inetd instead?
18:59.06edbarretttiny: I'm pretty sure grub can't handle / in LVM on swraid.
18:59.15daliasin which case the file in init.d would not do anything
18:59.50tobb87no, the vsftpd server works fine without enable_ssl=YES
19:00.42wols_abrotman: I thought / can be LVM, RAID, crypto, whatever. just /boot has to be unencumbered
19:00.53daliasah..
19:00.58wols_at the point / is read in any way, kernel and initrd alreday have taken over
19:01.02abrotmanwols_: he didn't say if /boot/ was separate
19:01.22tinyedbarrett: ok .. so I thought I could handle this by having /boot on RAID1?
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19:01.37tinyfor example ...
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19:02.27empirichi all
19:02.33mo1991Does anyone know where the log file for firestarter starting on boot would be?  It gives the firestarter: failed on bootup.  FIrestarter does start fine once I am booted up and start it from /etc/init.d/firestarter
19:02.52empirici want to take backup through tar but i want tar to skip symlinks how can i do this
19:02.59empiricwhat switch should i use
19:03.07edbarrettyes, excuse me, boot is all you need separate.  ISTR people warning against having / in LVM, but I can't remember why at this point.
19:03.42dondelelcaroedbarrett: probably 'cause they thought /boot was on /
19:04.19dondelelcaroempiric: uh.. you mean you don't want to backup symlinks at all? or you don't want to backup the files the point to? or you just want to dereference the symlinks?
19:04.35tinyok ... so when in install process do I create / on LVM? I created RAID volumes and now I'm stuck since I can't save changes becouse installer needs / partition
19:04.56dondelelcarotiny: when you create all of the other partitions
19:05.06dondelelcarotiny: you just assign a particular partition/filesystem to /
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19:05.31tinydondelelcaro: I want RAID5 ... when do I create that?
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19:06.54dondelelcarotiny: in the same place, as you're creating the partitions
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19:07.33tinydondelelcaro: physical RAID volumes don't have the option to assign to /
19:07.34dondelelcarotiny: first you create partitions, then you assign them to a raid5 group, then you assign the raid5 group to lvm or filesystems etc.
19:07.34suloHi, how do you change keymap in console?
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19:07.40dondelelcarotiny: sure they do
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19:08.22dondelelcarosulo: with loadkeys et al.
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19:08.39xerophytedoes anybody know any better dns server than bind (which does not use mysql or ldap) , and powerdns ?
19:09.19sulodondelelcaro thanks!
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19:09.36tinydondelelcaro: you're right .. it was at the top ... bah
19:10.03tinyhmm ... can I create RAID6? I don't see it as an option in installer
19:10.11tobb87another question: how can i configure vsftpd to connect with implicit ftp over ssl
19:10.20tobb87not explicit ssl
19:10.34tinyah .. spare devices :)
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19:16.32empiricdondelelcaro i dont want symlinks to be backed up
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19:19.33SpeedyGMuninn! :D
19:19.44MuninnSpeedy :)
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19:20.19zer0x`When i install debian, will it allow me to resize a windows partition, and create a new one for linux?
19:20.34simonrvnno, do it beforehand
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19:21.06zer0x`will it create a partition for itself, or must i do that as well
19:21.27wols_zer0x`: it can't resize. but you it can create one or more
19:21.37wols_-you
19:21.51wols_the goodbye microsoft installer can resize, no?
19:21.51tinyAre there any standard names for naming volume groups?
19:21.56zer0x`:P
19:22.00zer0x`i need to dual boot
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19:22.37wols_that's fine. debian from CD and the goodbye microsoft installer won't delete your windows, both put windows in your boot menu automatically
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19:22.49wols_won't delete windows unless you tell the installer to
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19:24.56zer0x`ok
19:25.18h3sp4wntiny: Just use whatever mine is called tank
19:25.37tinyheh
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19:28.33tinyOk .. one last question. What FS should I put on it? What's better then ext3 which I'm used to. I have around 1,3TB
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19:29.27simonrvnthat's ok
19:29.31S4nD3rhi there
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19:29.36S4nD3ri have a problem
19:29.39assasukassetiny: i use ext3, but i also tried XFS
19:29.40S4nD3rI have a CDdrive
19:29.47S4nD3rnow i installed a dvdrw drive
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19:30.01S4nD3rbut, the drive do not shows in my desktop when i insert disc
19:30.04tinyah wth, I'll go with the good 'ol ext3
19:30.04S4nD3rhow solve it
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19:32.40Max_-I created a user/group apache/apache ... and that was an error since in apache2 it's www-data/www-data... now I have files with ownership to apache/apache all over... and some bugs, obviously, related to this... is there a way to erase user/group apache/apache and give all these files AND directories to www-data/www-data????
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19:33.11simonrvnS4nD3r: dmesg | less, does it show up?
19:33.23h3sp4wntiny: xfs is great if you have a ups
19:33.58tinyh3sp4wn: it'll have to wait for another chance :)
19:34.27gkiagiahello, is there a way to set all the java related symlinks in /etc/alternatives to point to another java installation with only one-two commands?
19:34.52tinyanyway ... how long does it take to create ext3 on 1,3TB?  300GB 7,2K SATA disks
19:35.43gkiagiaor I do have to update each and every link using update-alternatives?
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19:37.21h3sp4wngkiagia: --config --all
19:37.26Blackgoth?? gentoo
19:37.32Blackgoth!gentoo
19:37.32dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/   or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg
19:37.35Blackgothnice!
19:37.52h3sp4wngentoo doesn't use update-alternatives afaik
19:38.07Blackgothi was looking for the other gentoo explaination
19:38.16Ace2016hi all
19:38.25Ace2016are there daily builds of the net installer?
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19:38.49Ace2016http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
19:38.51FastPuttycan i see all database hex code that go troughwith tcpdump?
19:38.59Ace2016That does not show where the daily builds of the net installer are
19:39.09Ace2016and i don't want to download 26 cds!
19:39.12gkiagiah3sp4wn: thanks
19:39.15harkgkiagia: update-java-alternatives
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19:39.37h3sp4wnAce2016: Its on that page
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19:39.42Ace2016the goodbye-windows installer for etch does not detect my second hard drive, :(
19:39.44h3sp4wnAce2016: click the link
19:39.45FastPuttycan i see all data hex code that go trough eth0 with tcpdump?
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19:40.01Blackgoth!deb
19:40.02dpkgit has been said that deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages
19:40.02Ace2016h3sp4wn:  where?
19:40.02gkiagiahark: thanks, that seems even better.
19:40.04Blackgoth:<
19:40.20h3sp4wnAce2016: netinst (generally 135-175 MB) and businesscard (generally 20-50 MB) CD images
19:40.20Ace2016oh i see
19:40.42Ace2016so all of those in the first paragraph the daily builds??#
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19:40.53BatchzHey
19:40.59Ace2016hey
19:41.14BatchzI just configured Wireless, the light comes on.. But nothing connects to the net :S
19:41.21h3sp4wnAce2016: Just read what it says (carefully if necessary)
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19:41.44BatchzAny ideas?
19:41.59ma3xis there OGG help channel?
19:42.10FastPuttycan i see all data hex and snifff packets info that go trough eth0 with tcpdump?
19:42.57BatchzYour talking to me?
19:43.12Ace2016oh lol i completely missed where it said *these* daily built images  i just read the daily builds and i was wondering where they were
19:43.21Ace2016http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
19:43.26Ace2016That page gives an error :(
19:43.48Ace2016does it work for anyone else?
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19:45.09r-wolfhow to get that nice Ubuntu fonts into Debian?
19:45.27Roninr-wolf: and what font would that be?
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19:46.01Element14FastPutty: yea i think you can
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19:46.46Ace2016Is it possible to download and install debian from vista? or point me to the goodbye-microsoft's newest installer or daily builds, because my disk is not detected with the etch stable one
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19:47.14jimcooncatI'm trying to figure out if d-i can run badblocks -- I'm looking through partman and finding nothing there. Can I automate badblocks during install?
19:47.15RoninAce2016: what you see on goodbye-microsoft is what you get from that site
19:47.53Ace2016i swear i saw a site that had a debian installer like thing for vista but with daily builds, but i can't for the life of me find it again
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19:48.13r-wolfRonin: hmm, I haven't seen exactly, interface fonts set up by default look very good - hinting, etc
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19:48.24Max_-How do I switch everything owned by apache/apache to www-data/www-data??????
19:48.46Max_-..... and delete apache/apache
19:48.54Max_-(owner/group)
19:48.56jimcooncatMax_-: maybe with find?
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19:49.17Max_-hummm... maybe
19:49.51tomdicki just installed etch on vmware and i can't get the date / time working properly on it. the host system is fine, hwclock --show and date show the same date / time, but on the vm installation, date is about 3 hrs ahead of hwclock --show
19:50.03gryfie__any hints for a usb-tvcard (analog or dvb-c?)
19:50.09cberl1Hi folks.  After a long arduous install, I've got Debian on my server, and the ltsp-server-standalone package installed and running.  Now the clients can't connect -- any documentation on this I've missed?  (Internet connection is spotty, so that's a definitely possiblility!)
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19:51.40zoredachetomdick: make sure you have the time zones correct on both the host and guest.  Install the vmware tools.  Possibly try booting with 'clock=pit'.  Force your clock back manually the first time since the vmware time sync tool won't adjust the clock backwards
19:51.57jimcooncatcberl1: you can run knoppix to test that connectivity is ok
19:52.21jimcooncatcberl1: it comes with a thin client server
19:52.22zoredachetomdick: also search & read the vmware support datbase there are several articles that go into very specific detail about all of the above.
19:52.26cberl1connectivity is okay -- the clients are trying to boot, just not finding the pxelinux.cfg stuff
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19:53.03jimcooncatcberl1: only one dhcp server running on your lan, right?
19:53.17cberl1unable to locate configuration file (although it exists where the clients are looking)
19:53.29cberl1jimcooncat: Yep.  I'm the only one.
19:53.36cberl1Tiny LAN -- just this server and clients.
19:54.03sine_exit
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19:54.32edbarretttomdick: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/dynamickc.do?externalId=1420&sliceId=1&command=show&forward=nonthreadedKC&kcId=1420
19:54.48BatchzHow do you test if your wireless is actually working, the light on mine is the right colour, it should be connected but its not
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19:55.12jimcooncatcberl1: I did this in Ubuntu, and got stuck because tftp didn't start up from xinet
19:55.16cberl1I think I  may have multiple tftp servers running.  Is there a default tftpd in Debian these days?  LTSP seems to want to use tftpd-hpa
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19:55.32jimcooncatcberl1: I just ran tftp as a daemon, and all was ok
19:55.52tomdickthanks guys, i'm looking into things
19:55.55cberl1Okay, I didn't set it as daemon, so maybe that is the issue...
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19:56.41Drk_GuyHi guys
19:56.46jimcooncatcberl1: ticked me off when it happened, Ubuntu's xinetd is not working right
19:57.01Drk_GuyWhere i can d/l the kernel sources for Etch?
19:57.17h3sp4wnDrk_Guy: just get the linux-source package
19:57.33Drk_Guyapt-get?
19:57.34cberl1I've switch back to debian for this project because Ubuntu was failing me...
19:57.37Max_-jimcooncat : find / -user apache -exec chown www-data would do it, or is there anything more to write for it to be completely recursive?
19:57.41Drk_GuyUBUNTU SUCKS
19:57.49Max_-yes
19:57.59h3sp4wnDrk_Guy: I would recommend aptitude
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19:58.28ma3xwhy oggenc speeds up my audio?
19:58.49jimcooncatMax_-: I think that's right, but I'd test it first with a copy of your dir
19:59.06Drk_Guyh3sp4wn: aptitude doesn't d/l anything and apt-get doesn't find the package
19:59.12Max_-jimcooncat : ok, good idea
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19:59.18mutanteDrk_Guy: apt-cache search linux-source
19:59.36Ace2016Does this link work for anyone else??? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
19:59.45Drk_Guylinux tree
19:59.45h3sp4wnDrk_Guy: apt-cache policy {linux-source,linux-source-2.6,linux-source-2.6.18
19:59.46abrotmanAce2016: yes
19:59.47Drk_GuyThx
19:59.50h3sp4wnDrk_Guy: apt-cache policy {linux-source,linux-source-2.6,linux-source-2.6.18}
19:59.51dondelelcaroyou just have to edit it, then reload the .lua file
19:59.52Drk_GuyI'll try to d/l that
19:59.54dondelelcaroECHAN
20:00.03Ace2016oh, it doesn't work for me, anyone know a mirror i can use?
20:00.05abrotmandondelelcaro: i tried that .. no workie!
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20:00.23Drk_Guy40 Mb
20:00.27Drk_GuyBut i'll make it
20:00.31Drk_GuyThx to all
20:00.31jimcooncatI'd like to incorporate badblocks in a preseed install. is this possible with early_command?
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20:00.35cberl1Okay, tftpd-hpa seems to have put itself in the /etc/inetd.conf file; I'm going to try comment that out and use the /etc/default/tftpd-hpa file to daemonize it.  Sound like a plan?
20:00.44simonrvn!tell abrotman -about doesn't work
20:00.50simonrvnabrotman: teehee
20:01.00Ace2016I can't get to http://cdimage.debian.org/ at all, can anyone else get there?
20:01.03abrotmanhehe
20:01.08abrotmanAce2016: i just told you yes
20:01.25Ace2016but why can't i get there?
20:01.28cberl1Ace2016: And for a second opinion, I think he can get there, too.
20:01.49Element14Ace2016: Sir, blame it on your ISP
20:01.58Ace2016Is there a mirror i can try?
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20:02.22mutanteAce2016: cdimage.debian.org is an alias for ftp.acc.umu.se   address 130.239.18.137   http://130.239.18.137/  ?
20:02.30apt_gethow to implement -t option to rdate command?
20:02.49Ace2016http://130.239.18.137/ works fine
20:03.00cberl1Is there a reason booting stalls for a while at "Starting MTA"?
20:03.23mutanteAce2016: host cdimage.debian.org  on your box?
20:03.41mutantei mean, what does the "host" command return :P
20:03.55mutantethat sounded weird after i typed it;)
20:04.01abrotmancberl1: might be a hostname lookup issue .. when it's up ... make sure your hostname is in /etc/hosts
20:04.41Ace2016muaddib: is that a command for linux or vista? i'm trying to install debian now but it does not show my second hard drive, so i'm trying the daily builds
20:04.43cberl1abrotman: Okay, I'll try that, too.  Although it does appear to be doing the initial stuff through IP address.
20:04.54mutanteAce2016: on windows its "nslookup"
20:05.14cberl1abrotman: Nevermind.  I forgot my own question.  Doh!
20:06.13abrotmancberl1: okay then ...
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20:09.54rahul/dev/sda5             4.7G  4.4G  261M  95% /usr
20:09.55rahul:(
20:09.57cberl1This Internet connection is definitely a pain.  Can't even get vim installed without it flaking out.
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20:11.03cberl1Alright, while it appears to be up...  does TFTPD log somewhere?  I can't seem to find anything useful in /var/log/syslog or messages...
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20:14.16tinyI incidentally choosed desktop [*] among other features when installing this server. Is it possible to also delete this desktop added software all at once?
20:14.25tinylater on I mean.
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20:14.47Gatta_Negrahi al
20:14.49ben_ytiny: tasksel
20:14.52dondelelcarotiny: you can just mark everything that the desktop task installs as automatically installed in aptitude, and it will go away
20:14.53Gatta_Negrasomebody alive
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20:15.15cberl1Gatta_Negra: Alive is such a relative term.
20:15.19leberkaesI feel alive (sometimes)
20:15.27tinyben_y, dondelelcaro  thanks
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20:15.33ma3xwhat was dpkgs trigger for instructions to build a package?
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20:16.13dondelelcarofakeroot debian/rules clean binary; is how you build a package
20:16.15Gatta_Negrai need the syntax  - how to type the bulgarian debian unstable repository in my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
20:16.35Gatta_Negrai deleted it by mistake
20:16.36gryfie__I've a laptop (omnibook 4150). How do i turn off the "mouse-click2"-function of the touchbad? (Not the buttons, but the touchpad-mouse-click?)
20:16.37wols_!tell Gatta_Negra about sources.list
20:16.38dondelelcaroGatta_Negra: same way you'd specify any other repository. man 5 sources.list and /msg dpkg mirrors; for details.
20:17.24ma3xhey wols
20:17.28ma3xwhat was dpkgs trigger for instructions to build a package?
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20:17.48dondelelcaro!listvals fakeroot debian/rules
20:17.50dpkgFactoid search of 'fakeroot debian/rules' by value (2): sidiot ;; debian/rules.
20:18.47pickcoderma3x: try source
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20:19.28ben_ygryfie__: install synaptics and alter the touch-pad-setting ind /etc/X11/xorg.conf ( Option          "TapButton1"            "0"
20:19.42Gatta_NegraDanke
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20:23.14sisirkoppakahello, i'm sisir from IIT Kharagpur, India....i'm 17 years old and very much interested in getting more involved in debian...if there any people here kind enough to be a mentor(anything short of that, any help is ok too!) then i'd like to talk to you
20:23.20sdubois92is there an apache GUI config app?
20:23.23ma3xjelly, you there?
20:24.06Nyle_ma3x, hey long time no see
20:24.23xand!mentors
20:24.23dpkgmethinks mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/
20:24.27Nyle_sdubois92, no but the apache.conf or httpd.conf is well commented and there are tons of docs
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20:24.46sisirkoppakathnks dpkg
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20:24.50Nyle_sdubois92, yes you can use gui config programs but why not just edit the file yourself, that way you might learn something
20:25.39sdubois92i know how to edit the file, im teaching some people at school how to use linux and apache
20:25.57xandsdubois92: well, teach them how to edit the file
20:25.57sdubois92so i thought it might be good to show them a GUI
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20:26.01ma3xhey nyle how ya doin man
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20:26.23rolerin debian, what are some of the rootkit scanners available ?
20:26.31sdubois92i will, but if your use to Windows its easier to learn to use another GUI then migrate over to the CLI
20:26.37pickcoderroler: chkrootkit and rkhunter
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20:26.51ben_yroler: rkhunter
20:26.56Nyle_ma3x, I am great.  Thanks for asking.  Still with debian I see :)
20:26.57pickcodersdubois92: good luck finding a GUI config editor that doesn't mangle your existing configs
20:27.03ma3xNyle, you not?
20:27.20Nyle_i got my co worker telling me about the latest ubuntu and how good it is and how everything works out of the box
20:27.24Nyle_I just laughed at him
20:27.31Nyle_ma3x, I am always with debian
20:27.52Nyle_i try all sorts of distros and oses but my servers always run debian
20:27.54ma3xNyle, yeah I tried ubuntu a few times, debian's the real kickass
20:27.59Nyle_of course it is
20:28.04Nyle_clean and unbloated
20:29.06r-wolfI've installed linux-source 2.6.18 from dvd, try make menuconfig, and it shows a full console of ugly errors! what's wrong?
20:29.10cberl1Okay, messing around with my laptop here I've figured out that TFTP is working but there must be some kind of issue with the dhcp info.  I can download the necessary files from the expected locations using a tftp client.  My thin clients are constantly seeking the boot files (cycling through pxelinux.cfg/C0A800F9, pxelinux.cfg/C0A800F, etc.)
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20:29.53ma3xNyle, that too. simple in a way
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20:30.24gryfie__ben_y, : Thx
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20:30.31salmanhello again
20:30.33salmanI have spent several hours googling and experimenting but I still could not get my toshiba satallite ati controller properly configured
20:30.43rolerthanks guys
20:30.44ma3xE: Build-Depends dependency for pidgin cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libsilc-dev can satisfy version requirements
20:30.54ma3xwhere can I get libsilc-dev?
20:30.57salmanI can use the notebook with vesa driver. I downloaded and installed the closed driver from ati site and installed it .. successfully, ie, no errors, when rebooting I still get the same.
20:31.18pickcoderma3x: search for it!
20:31.58pickcoderr-wolf: without seeing the errors, no one will be able to help
20:32.17wols_salman: ask ati then
20:32.24wols_salman: it's their software
20:32.24ma3xpickcoder, it lists a package with a version - Ilibsilc-1.0-2-dev  installed it and it's still not satisfied
20:32.40ma3xhey wols_ do you have a mouse with a button in the middle?
20:32.46salmanwols_, isn't there an open source driver like the nv for nvidia?
20:33.10pickcoderma3x: then determine which version it needs and look for it in less stable versions of Debian
20:33.11wols_salman: probably not for your chip. which one is it?
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20:33.22ma3xwols_, do you know the trick - when you select a text, you click on the middle mouse and it copy/pastes the text
20:33.30wols_salman: debian has a closed source ati driver, but you didn't use it, so it's not debian's problem
20:33.34r-wolfpickcoder: http://pastebin.ca/723481
20:33.48wols_ma3x: that's no trick, that's normal X pasting
20:33.55ma3xpickcoder, I want to build one but say what package should I build - libsilc-1.0-2-dev or libsilc?
20:34.04salmanwols_, radeon x 1200 : http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=495900
20:34.06cberl1If I've got two network cards in, should I be able to run DHCP server on one and client on the other?  (separate networks)
20:34.16pickcoderr-wolf: install the ncurses dev package
20:34.24ma3xwols_, how otherwise can I do that with the keyboard? ctrl+shift+insert doesn't work
20:34.25wols_cberl1: should be doable
20:34.26r-wolfpickcoder: thanks!
20:34.38pickcoderlibncurses5-dev
20:34.42salmanwols_, what is it? does it support 3d as well?
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20:34.48wols_namit: gbine abd kde have ctrl+c and ctrl-v I think
20:34.48cberl1wols_: Thought so.  Just can't get these clients to boot.  Been at this all day...
20:35.05wols_salman: first tell me what ati chip it is
20:35.40salmanwols_, just did! , it is radeon x 1200
20:35.46wols_cberl1: dnsmasq can do it when you edit dnsmasq.conf
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20:36.03wols_salman: fglrx is needed probably
20:36.07wols_!tell salman about fglrx
20:36.41tinyyummy ... I had my new "never before tried system" up in no time. Debian still kicks ass. Maybe more then ever before. Thanks for help.  fdisk -l :D http://rafb.net/p/zIgz9010.html
20:36.43kriticalDoes anyone know if it's possible to restart syslog?... I can't `tail -f /var/log/syslog` anymore... it appears to be stuck :/
20:36.52cberl1wols_: Okay.  DHCP appears to be working, it's just not allowing me to PXE boot my clients.  They can't seem to find the server
20:37.30xandkritical: yes, the same way you restart any other service
20:37.45pickcoderkritical: are you getting an error or is tail just sitting there?
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20:38.10ma3xpickcoder, I want to build one but say what package should I build - libsilc-1.0-2-dev or libsilc?
20:38.14kriticalpickcoder, it tails and stops on a line which was hours ago...
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20:38.27kriticalxand, well /etc/init.d/syslog doesn't exist...
20:38.28ma3xwols_, what's the key combination to x paste?
20:38.35cberl1Only message I get in syslog is "tftp: client does not accept options."
20:38.35pickcoderkritical:  -f means follow the file as lines are appended
20:38.38capiirahmmmmmm hi just for me to understand! Theory: Would i end with a empty drive, if i remove (all) debian packages from a debian system?
20:38.46pickcoderare you sure you're getting syslog entries in the system?
20:38.46wols_ma3x: there is none afaik
20:38.56kriticalpickcoder, yeah... and it would appear nothing has been appended since last night...
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20:39.01wols_capiira: not really
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20:39.04ma3xwols_, how do you x paste? with the mouse????
20:39.06e\ectro_is there a way to apt-mirror both i386 / x86_64 to the same box?
20:39.07Element14kritical: try /etc/init.d/sysklogd
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20:39.29kriticalElement14, ahh cheers, I'll give that a go
20:39.29wols_ma3x: there is more than one kind of clipboard. there is X and there is kde/gnome and they are different
20:39.35Element14(though you probably want to listen to pickcoder first.)
20:39.36wols_X paste onlw works with mouse afaik
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20:40.00cberl1Well, I'm outta time today.  Guess I'll be back at this tomorrow....  :(
20:40.00kriticalpickcoder, no I'm not sure.. I don't know any other way to check?
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20:40.10ma3xwols_, i got kde
20:40.10geo-rgeis kde pasting the same as gnome pasting?
20:40.22ma3xgeo-rge, how do you paste in gnome?
20:40.23kriticalpickcoder & Element14:  Restarting syslog is hanging...
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20:40.53Element14kritical: that's interestingly weird
20:40.58pickcoderkritical: lsof | grep syslog
20:41.00capiirawols, yeah ok home would be still there and few config files ~files etc. but i mean would all libs and executables be removed?
20:41.02kriticalLooks like log rotation is broken... because it's very old.. and it's 2.6 gig
20:41.05pickcoderafter you stop syslog
20:41.17wols_capiira: they should be, yes
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20:41.21pickcoderkritical: logrotate.d is a different thing
20:41.25capiiraahh ok
20:41.40capiirathx
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20:41.53kriticalpickcoder, that lsof gave no output
20:41.58pickcoderhm
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20:42.13sqwobi'm looking for a list of european based depos i can add to my woody install's sources.list
20:42.16kriticalsyslog.0 is dated september 3
20:42.21kriticalsyslog is september 13
20:42.34sqwobi seriously broke a previous install by adding wrong sources
20:42.40leberkaesDid he just say Woody ??
20:43.00capiirabtw is there a command to find files that is not part of packages ?
20:43.21pickcoderkritical: you can always manually rotate the logs
20:43.32geo-rgesqwob: if you upgrade that woody, go first to sarge and then to etch
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20:43.53geo-rgedon't go directly to etch
20:44.08geo-rgeand btw, back up before you do any of that
20:44.16kriticalpickcoder, manually moving the file and starting that syslog service has worked...
20:44.29kriticalpickcoder, I guess logrotation is broken ;) cheers
20:44.31sqwobactually, since it's a local virtual install running inside winxp for backup up my webserver too, i wasn't planning on updating it to much
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20:44.50pickcoderkritical: I'd check the logrotate config
20:44.59sqwoball it has to do is run mysql and apache2 and handly a mirror of my website
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20:45.28sqwobbut to install some extra tools (pico, sshd, ...) i seem to be missing some resoures in my sources.list
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20:46.17Element14sqwob: i don't think apache2 is in woody...
20:46.25geo-rgetom marches ine
20:46.27sqwoboh ...
20:46.28themillnot is pico
20:46.31themillnor*
20:46.35sqwobthat i noticed
20:46.38pickcoderapache2 didn't exist back then
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20:46.50sqwobah, it's *that* old
20:46.55themilland pico is non-free
20:47.15geo-rgeerr time marches on... and probably woody has moved to the archives of old debians
20:47.18salmanwols_, ok, I am trying the fglrx one-liner, but got this error: build of the package fglrx-kernel-src failed
20:47.20themillsecurity support ended for woody some time ago
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20:47.58sqwobnow... i wasn't expecting this... i can handle what i need to manage a few websites, but i've never upgraded my system that way
20:48.39sqwobany good online docs i can read about this? (in a readable format for linux newbies?)
20:48.59salmanwols_, btw, the kernel is 2.6.21-2-amd64, if this matters
20:49.30pickcodersqwob: about what? dist upgrading?
20:49.51sqwobgoogling to see how i can go from woody to sarge
20:50.37pickcoder!dist-upgrade
20:50.38dpkgdist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade").  It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed.  Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch>
20:50.45Element14sqwob: backup. read the sarge release notes, change sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade... and pray a bit...
20:51.00ameyerwoody's been uunsupported since June 2006-ish...
20:51.21ameyerafter woody->sarge, you probably want to go sarge->etch
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20:51.32abrotmanpipeline: ping
20:51.41pickcoderafter switching to a 2.6 kernel
20:51.44ameyersince sarge is about 6 months from being unsupported...
20:51.56themill!tell sqwob about woody->sarge
20:52.02themill!tell sqwob about sarge->etch
20:52.09jelly-homema3x: I'm here now.
20:52.33ma3xhey jelly-home about that thing libsilc remember?
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20:52.40jelly-homema3x: vaguely
20:53.01sqwobthemill: thanks
20:53.07ma3xjelly-home, I was trying to install pidgin and it said it cannot satisfy dependencies because of libsilc-dev what should I do?
20:53.15salmanwols_, the module assistant show the log file but it is long and there are many errors, I can not seem to copy it to paste it in pastebin
20:53.30themillsqwob: np. I've taken boxen through that entire process and it's not as horrid as it sounds ;)
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20:53.55jelly-homema3x: build that from source, too
20:54.07leberkaesma3x, do you use etch?
20:54.10kikovis there a channel for debian-security?
20:54.22abrotmanthere's a mailing list
20:54.27sqwobthemill: i've already spent 3 hours getting this old version to work in the virtual environment ;) now to get it up to date, and then maybe tomorrow i can import the backups of my webservers www and sql data
20:54.29ma3xleberkaes, yes
20:54.37jelly-homema3x: was there anything wrong with that backport you were pointed to earlier?
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20:54.48kikovI just wanted to ask if 1379-1 is critical or not (to wait 48hours)
20:54.51ma3xjelly-home, it's old
20:54.51themillsqwob: what format is the sql data in?
20:54.57leberkaesma3x, in my etch pidgin is still called with the old name "gaim"
20:55.01ma3xjelly-home, the one currently in sid is good (but the backport is older)
20:55.08ma3xleberkaes, that's right
20:55.17jelly-homema3x: it doesn't work?
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20:55.32kikovabrotman, do you know? (DSA-1379-1)
20:55.44ma3xjelly-home, it doesn't notify me on new mails either
20:56.07nico__i've heard about an app that can automatically adjust the cpu frequency of a laptop according to its usage... cpufreq-something i think... ever heard of it?
20:56.10Element14sqwob: actually if your current woody server doesn't have anything important inside, it would be better to just install etch from scratch..
20:56.16kikovnico__, kpowersave
20:56.28leberkaesma3x, Why dont you just install Gaim? Do you need some new functions from Pidgin?
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20:56.34nico__kikov, and for non-kde users? :)
20:56.45ma3xleberkaes, do you have yahoo?
20:56.47kikovnico__, just install KDE !!! ;)
20:57.07nico__hate kde :(
20:57.09leberkaesma3x, no just ICQ and Jabber.
20:57.23kikovpowersaved is the daemon
20:57.25ma3xleberkaes, it doesn't notify me when I receive new email and that's the main purpose why I run it
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20:57.39nico__kikov: well it might be more functional than gnome but it is just plain ugly
20:57.44kikovnico__, I hate ppl hating kde ;)
20:57.49kikovhehehe
20:58.03kikovno bother :P
20:58.19leberkaesma3x, ah, ok. And so you tried to install some sort of backported deb-package for etch?
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20:58.27ma3xleberkaes, yah
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21:02.58salmanprobably I will take a break and come later.. I have already spent mre than 5 hours on the ati driver issue alone
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21:07.10nico__found a doc pointing to the speedstep_centrino and cpufreq_ondemand modules... do both need to run? or just one?
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21:13.09n8hello
21:13.31n8i am not new to linux, but VERY new to debian
21:13.42n8is there a 'debian way' to enable bootsplash?
21:14.25n8and either way i enable it, will it give me a prompt for a passphrase if i use encrypted filesystem?
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21:14.57Guerinn8: yes. To not enable it at all is the debian way.
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21:15.13HardDisk_WPhow do I grep in all files in a directory for the string OleObject_SetHostNames
21:15.13n8haha
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21:15.28pickcoderHardDisk_WP: man grep
21:15.28Crippshow do I tell which version of xorg I have?
21:15.33GuerinHardDisk_WP: rgrep string path
21:15.39n8Guerin, this will be a desktop machine, so I'm trying to make it as friendly as possible
21:16.09HardDisk_WPthx
21:16.11ben_yn8: i'm afraid the debian way is there to apt-get the bootsplash-patch and the linux-source, then patch and roll a custom kernel
21:16.12Guerinn8: bootsplash is not friendly
21:16.30n8hmm..never had a problem with it in the past
21:16.37l3mris there a macro defined on linux system so i can check in c/c++ code if i'm on linux or BSD?
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21:17.28Dantixhi all, what sshould be the command to print a file over the /dev/lp0 device directly?
21:17.32kikovuname?
21:17.56n8also, i'm showing double entries in the Gnome menu, then again under 'Debian'
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21:18.10abrotmankikov: did you get an answer ?
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21:18.16n8any way to streamline that?
21:18.24abrotmankikov: i'd say it's important .. it's a remote error
21:18.29kikovabrotman, I finally I'm updating
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21:18.50kikovbut I have to notice a lot of people for the modification
21:18.59abrotmankikov: why?
21:19.11abrotmankikov: it'll restart services if needed
21:19.14gkiagial3mr: check out the qtglobal.h header from qt4. it has some interesting macros that determine the environment
21:19.20kikovabrotman, that's a system used by more than 200000 users
21:19.26l3mrgkiagia: ok, ty
21:19.59abrotmankikov: wall "system going down in two minutes .. have a nice day" :)
21:20.00Guerinn8: the debian menu exists for thingsa without their own menu system. THings like gnome, which reinvent the wheel, need to be configured to remove it. That task is an exercise for the use (good luck, since gnome is purposefully hard to configurate)
21:20.05kikovby the way, updating libssl doesn't restart apache2
21:20.20wols_satHan: .21 kernel might not work due to a GPL symbol violation
21:20.24kikovabrotman, hehe... it's a reverse proxy with apache serving http and https
21:20.26wols_are you on testing?
21:20.36abrotmankikov: so it'll reboot in a minute or so .. not a big deal
21:20.40kikovI have ldd apache2 and it's linked with that file
21:20.55n8haha, thanks guerin
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21:20.58kikovabrotman, if I do that, my balls got cutted by tomorrow ;)
21:21.03Element14strange... i'm not having a "debian" folder in my gnome installation...
21:21.07abrotmankikov: ew
21:21.13kikovhehe
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21:21.37pickcoderkikov: can't you do some iptables magic and dump the traffic to another machine?
21:22.03kikovpickcoder, I have 4 reverse proxy.. so I have "turned off" that one..
21:22.11kikovwith ipvsadm
21:22.17teclo-Hello, I have a problem, when I close down the lid of my laptop, and then open it again, Debian never "comes back" ... acpid, laptop-detect and stuff are installed... uhhh any idea ?
21:22.19pickcoderoh
21:22.21kikovno problem with that,
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21:22.32n8element14:  if you click under the 'Applications' tab in Gnome, the 'Debian' entry is there
21:22.34kikovbut tomorrow some ssl connection could be broken dued a bug in the new code
21:22.40abrotmanteclo-: thinkpad ?
21:22.50teclo-abrotman: no, Compaq Evo
21:22.51Element14n8: it's not there for me :)
21:22.56abrotman!laptop
21:22.56dpkgi guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/  For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
21:23.00n8haha, it is for me :)
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21:23.01Element14(and i have no idea why)
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21:23.18joyhi how do i format a usb key on debian please? I would like it to be useable on windoze too please..
21:23.22n8well i wish i knew how to remove it
21:23.23pickcodera bug in libssl?
21:23.25teclo-!suspend
21:23.26dpkgsomebody said suspend was check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!)
21:23.36kikovpickcoder, a remote one :(
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21:24.15Guerinjoy: use mkfs.vfat
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21:24.46abrotmanpickcoder: it's a security bug in a patch to fix a security bug
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21:25.02abrotmanpickcoder: see the latest DSA
21:25.07pickcoderheh
21:25.30Guerinat least they found it, right
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21:26.03abrotmanonly an off by one error
21:26.20assasukassehi all
21:26.26assasukasseis there someone that has problem with icq?
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21:26.37assasukasseout of sudden i got disconnected and it says my password is wrong..
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21:27.49abrotmani thought icq was dead
21:28.04n8me too
21:28.09Guerinit is
21:28.12ben_yassasukasse: blame aol for that (by the way its a funny question to ask in irc)
21:28.15Guerinit's AIM now
21:28.27assasukasseben_y: i know :D
21:28.37ben_yassasukasse: ;-)
21:28.40Element14it's MSN messenger here...
21:28.53assasukassei think someone stole my icq account..
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21:31.00Guerinjae: isn't it called `nastygram on debian-devel'?
21:31.55jaeI'm thinking something official... if you feel you have to NMU, you *really* shouldn't screw up
21:32.36joyhow do i use mkfs.vfat please?
21:32.43Crippsokay ... I'm having some weird dependency problems here ... I'm trying to install the fglrx kernel module for 2.6.22-2-k7 by downloading the source and building it (using module assistant), but it keeps getting a failing dependency on fglrx-driver ... when I try to install fglrx-driver, it's looking for xserver-xorg >= 1.7.x (which is not going to be installed) ... so when I try upgrading my xserver, I am told that it
21:32.43Cripps<PROTECTED>
21:32.45Guerinjoy: man mkfs.vfat
21:32.45themilljae: well that much is written down already....
21:32.51jaeTake a gander at libmpich1.0ldbl's bug page to see what I mean (yes, typos can happen, but if you NMU, I expect better care, *precisely* because it's not your package)  ("you" in the general sense)
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21:32.56ktwilightjoy, mkfs.vfat /dev/drive
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21:33.50jaeSecond time today I get a "-f install"-needing system (yes, unstable lives up to its name today :P)
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21:35.19joydebian:/media# mkfs.vfat /media/Untitled
21:35.19joybash: mkfs.vfat: command not found
21:36.09jaejoy: make sure you have dosfstools installed
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21:36.33themilljae: heh... 443787 is certainly a good reason for a larting....
21:37.52Davemanwhat are latest packages required for ndiswrapper?
21:38.08Davemanall the sames changed in the repos since I last checked
21:38.09GuerinDaveman: first you need to aptitude purge libbrain
21:38.21Davemanthanks Guerin
21:38.23sqwobanyone here familiar with colinux?
21:38.25joyjae, I have installed them now, thanks. But i get  mkfs.vfat: unable to open /media/Untitled
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21:38.29Terminusanybody here ever encountered an error saying unable to download release file while trying to install debian? i'm getting it here and i'm wondering what the problem is. NIC is detected fine, ifconfig gives me the right IP, route is good, dns is good too.
21:38.34Guerinsqwob: it's windows software, why would we be?
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21:39.01sqwobGuerin: did you also kill your little ugly cousin ? :)
21:39.06themillTerminus: can you pastebin the error for us?
21:39.13Guerinjoy: you don't format a mount point, either - the device in /dev
21:39.14Terminusi've already tried switching mirrors, and i checked the ftp on another computer and it works fine.
21:39.27Guerinsqwob: your analogy fails me.
21:39.38Terminusthemill: whoops... sorry. i just restarted the installation.
21:39.44jaethemill: I wonder where Ari's speedy NMU is now... his bug is 8 days old, about as old as the bug his NMU was supposed to fix :P
21:40.00pickcoderDaveman: you are better off getting the lastest ndiswrapper source
21:40.01Terminusthemill: basically it says it can't download the release file and that the mirror might be unavailable.
21:40.09themilljae: hmmm...
21:40.12pickcoderI hate to suggest that, but the etch release is quite old
21:40.17tweakismI have an Athlon64 X2 w/ 2GB memory.  I've been using ubuntu.  it was slow/sluggish.  I've also been getting sick of ubuntu, decided to go back to debian.  Everyone told me I was crazy for thinking it might be faster.  Debian is super-snappy.  Can anyone explain this?  I know ubuntu has a few more daemons and stuff by default, but I don't see how it should make this big of a difference.  I tried different ubuntu and custom kernels on Ubuntu ...
21:40.24tweakism... from 2.6.19 to 2.6.20, now running custom-compiled 2.6.22 on debian
21:40.32tweakismI don't /need/ to know, I'm happy, but it's weird.
21:40.52themillTerminus: there are so many reasons, but without the exact error and some time to probe, we can't do much.
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21:40.58jaejoy: the "/media/Untitle" doesn't look like a device   (reading backtrack now)
21:41.00ezguyhi, when running gzip or sed it said unable to allocate memory, and ideas what is wrong with test commands?
21:41.05Terminusthemill: installer version is 20070308etch1.
21:41.20Terminusthemill: will let you know when i encounter it again.
21:41.25Guerinthemill: asking #ubuntu would be saner. In here we'll just say `yeah, of course, duh' without really knowing/'caring why
21:41.30pickcoderDaveman: if you get the source.. put it under /usr/local/src and make sure you purge all of the ndiswrapper packages
21:41.35ezguyother commands seem to run fine
21:42.01tweakismGuerin: was that to me?
21:42.08Guerintweakism: yes.
21:42.11jelly-hometweakism: fresh installations are often snappier
21:42.26tweakismjelly-home: only if you poop in yours.  linux is not windows :P
21:42.31Guerintweakism: quick! go and ask #ubuntu!@
21:42.41Guerinthemill: you too!
21:42.44tweakismGuerin: yeah I guess.  just very strange.
21:42.51joyso where is it in /dev ??? it appears on the desktop under /media ...
21:42.54jelly-hometweakism: I have weird cruft in .kde and .config.
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21:43.06tweakismjelly-home: I generally use xfce or fluxbox.
21:43.15themillTerminus: that doesn't sound like the latest etch installer.... what was the filename of the iso?
21:43.16tweakismjelly-home: how do you get cruft in .config?
21:43.18Guerinjoy: we can't know. You can probably know by looking at the device properties.
21:44.18jelly-hometweakism: well, wherever gtk/gnome config is.
21:44.28joyproperties does not seem to help
21:45.17joylocation : computer:///
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21:46.19Terminusthemill: i'm installing from floppies. and now that you mention it, the floppies at the mirror i got it from are out of date compared to what's on ftp.debian.org. hehe
21:46.24Guerinjoy: fdisk -l; as root will tell you
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21:48.28leberkaesMy first 4 etch-cds are r0 and (all) others r1, do I need _all_ 3 r1-update-cds to come to a full r1??
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21:49.49pickcoderleberkaes: if they aren't the same release then the dependencies for versions may not match
21:50.01pickcoderelase it'd still be r0
21:50.05pickcoder~else
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21:50.56abrotmanleberkaes: didn't we go over this last night ?
21:51.05leberkaes;-) Yes
21:51.07joyanyone help? which is the USB? http://www.pastebin.ca/723586
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21:53.00leberkaespickcoder, I had no problems getting stuff from the "new" r1-cds
21:53.46leberkaesIf I would apt-cdrom some update-cds, I should be able to do a dist-upgrade to come to full r1, right? (Without internet-sources in sources.list))
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21:54.01themilljoy: none of them are a usb disk
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21:54.45joyOk well the usb device appears on my desktop and i can read the files on it.
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21:55.11joyhow can i format this device so that a user can write to it???
21:56.05CrippsIs anybody else having issues trying to install fglrx-driver in sid? I keep getting an error: fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed.    ... when I try "apt-get upgrade xserver-xorg" I'm told that it is already the newest version. Little help please?
21:56.10pmo_i have a problem with blender, i lost the arrows when selecting i would like those back, but don't know how to do, also blender chatroom is invite onley :(
21:56.34pmo_Cripps, i used the nvidia driver
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21:56.57Crippspmo_, thank you, but I'm using an ati card.
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21:58.22themilljoy: what happens if you double click on the icon that appears?
21:58.32plbI'm doing a rsync across two computers to backup my MP3 collection, both drives are NTFS using ntfs3g (the backup is so I can switch one to ext3 then the other) however some of the MP3s have wide characters in them and rsync chokes, is there something I can do so that rsync can handle them, if not how would I find all the files with wide characters so I can copy them manually
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21:59.06joythemill, a window appears that displays the contents of the drive
21:59.20pmo_Cripps, oups sorry.. yes i have nvidiaon another machine.. on this one, i have a fglrx.. driver.. but from ati / amd website..
21:59.23DustyDingohi, what could be the problem, if a machine (amd64, 32bit os) which freezes for about 40 seconds on startup? it could happen while the bootloader is loaded or while the bootloader is loading a kernel, don't know
21:59.26themilljoy: ok.... does lsof or fuser tell you anything then?
21:59.54themilljoy: how about the output of mount
21:59.57pmo_Cripps, my graphic card is HD2300.. and sounds there driver.. not easy to find.. is good for last HD drivers... sofar it works for me
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22:00.40blahdeblahHow can i override the behaviour of the logwatch scripts in /usr/share/logwatch/scripts/services?  Putting a different one in /etc/logwatch/scripts/services doesn't override them.
22:00.41DustyDingosome idears where to start with debugging? (i would do an extended memcheck, try a different bootloader, look at the partition table etc.)
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22:01.43joyhttp://www.pastebin.ca/723596
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22:01.50pmo_Cripps, you have to look for something like this, if you have a HD alike graphic card.. ati-driver-installer-8.41.7-x86.x86_64.run
22:02.04Crippspmo_, I was hoping to do it the debian way
22:02.19themilljoy: /dev/sda9 on /media/Untitled type hfsplus
22:03.02themilljoy: that's a pretty weird looking disk, btw... sda9
22:03.23joymkfs.vfat /dev/sda9 ??
22:03.30pmo_Cripps, yes, i see :-/.. but i am bad.. always make things to work.. but my way ;-) :).. maybe i am just too much used to unix system, and i don't want to bother myself anymore with proper installation stuff on regular distribution.. yes sorry for this..
22:03.59themilljoy: I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do though...
22:04.23pmo_Cripps, i can't help you then, but i tried.. something like debian way, first, while, usually i don't last long doing such a thing;. and then googled..
22:04.27joythemill, i want to be able to copy files to my USB device
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22:04.52joyi want to be able to mount the USB on a doze machine
22:05.07themilljoy: and it's previously been set up for a mac?
22:05.13joyindeed
22:05.15linchow can i print from a command line?
22:05.33themilljoy: is there anything on the disk that you currently want?
22:05.41joynope
22:05.44themilljoy: on any of the partitions?
22:06.00joyit's just a old usb key
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22:06.06themilljoy: ok... just checking ;)
22:06.06lincis there anyone that can help me print a file from the CLI
22:06.16themill!tell linc about patience
22:06.16joythanks :)
22:06.18Davemanso
22:06.37pmo_joy, when you put you usb device.. something might appear on dmesg.. with proper device to mount and all
22:06.47linc<-- late for a meeting needs document printed
22:06.59pmo_linc, lp / lpr .. depends
22:07.33themilllinc: your lack of planning is not our emergency... but try piping into lpr or using a postscript file.
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22:07.38pmo_linc, you may check if lpstat shows some printers already set up..
22:07.54themilljoy: you may as well make it's partition table a little more sane then if you want. fdisk to monkey with that.
22:08.03Madd_MattI'm installing the ipw3945 drivers for intel wifi on a dell m1330.  The kernel module and regulatory daemon seem to load fine, however, there's no new device when I run ifconfig...
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22:08.21themillMadd_Matt: firmware?
22:08.26lincunable to connect to server
22:08.41pmo_Madd_Matt, try iwconfig ;-)
22:08.44Madd_Mattthemill, its installed; I'm fairly sure the ipw3945d would complain
22:08.50Madd_Mattand iwconfig doesn't see it either
22:08.52themilljoy: else yes, you can just format the device with approximately the command you say... I've not done it for years....
22:08.58themillMadd_Matt: kill switch?
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22:09.11themill!tell Madd_Matt about killswitch
22:09.28Madd_Mattthemill, switch is confirmed in "On" Position -- dmesg says so.
22:09.38Davemanndisfapper
22:09.42Madd_Mattoh, themill.
22:09.43pmo_Madd_Matt, you must have a firmware on something like /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ipw..
22:09.46themillMadd_Matt: the kill switch needs to be off ;)
22:10.21Madd_Mattthemill, haha, great.
22:10.28themillpmo_: the debian package for the firmware does that for you
22:10.29joythemill, thanks for your help.. Bit strange but the files I am copying are all photo's of a old watermill we all affectionately call 'the mill'
22:10.31themillMadd_Matt: :)
22:10.39themilljoy: heh
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22:10.50joythanks for your help!
22:11.01pmo_themill, i never trust a unix system ;-) :)
22:11.05themilljoy: no worries!
22:11.08joybye all
22:11.18pmo_joy, bye
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22:11.44themillMadd_Matt: networkmanager works really nicely with ipw3945 if you're looking for an easy way to configure it.
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22:12.56themillMadd_Matt: and you'll find that you need to "modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945" after you suspend to disk. Always use modprobe -r not rmmod as that shuts down the regulatory daemon too so the card isn't in a bad state.
22:13.51Davemanso how am I supposed to build it with aptitude
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22:16.08Davemanurg
22:16.13Davemanerg
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22:21.10ma3xanyone using gaim?
22:21.55themill!anyone
22:21.55dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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22:22.56DavemanWhat's the latest kernel source package?
22:23.01Davemankernel tree
22:23.09wols_in etch? 2.6.18
22:23.12Davemanyeah
22:23.14Davemanalright
22:23.14themill!kernel
22:23.16dpkgLinux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.9, prepatch: 2.6.23-rc9, snapshot: 2.6.23-rc9-git1, 2.4: 2.4.35.3, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-rc8-mm2
22:23.29Davemanokay
22:23.39ben_yDaveman: backports.org has the latest kernel for etch
22:24.13themills/the latest/a later/
22:24.26Davemanheh, yeah
22:24.27ben_ythemill: right
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22:24.46themill2.6.22.(mumble) :)
22:25.02Crippsis there a simple way to revert a sid installation back to etch or lenny?
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22:25.11themill!tell Cripps about reinstall
22:25.25creatureHello. I did a dist-upgrade, and now my font of choice for Fluxbox has gone all awol. Or possibly all antialiased. Either way, how do I confirm that it's being served by the font server?
22:25.33themillCripps: the second half of that factoid....
22:26.25Crippsthemill, wow. Thanks :)
22:26.29bdheemandpkg:  someting.orig.bz2
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22:26.59themillbdheeman: ?
22:27.06Crippsthemill, I have to change my apt configuration to etch or lenny first, I take it?
22:27.38ttHow do I check if cron is running?
22:27.45ma3xthemill, i was wondering if anyone else uses gaim to notify him when he receives email. It doesn't work anymore so I thought maybe someone else could confirm
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22:27.52bdheemanthemill: How do I force dpkg-buildpackage to create a bzip2 source tarball?
22:28.03themillCripps: yes. that will generate a list of currently installed packages and then cause them to be reinstalled.
22:29.03Crippsthemill, looking at it, that actually makes sense to me ... I *must* be weird ;) Thanks again :)
22:29.31themillCripps: np. also /msg dpkg aptitude-fu  <-- another way of getting a list of manually installed packages.
22:31.29sf7can i launch gedit from the shell as a separate process?
22:31.37themillgedit &
22:31.41sf7thx!
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22:35.18raggihow do i get /lib/modules/build?
22:36.17wols_kernel headers should be enough
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22:36.31S4nD3rhi there
22:36.37S4nD3rI have a little problem
22:36.43S4nD3rI dont know how to solve
22:36.59gryfelS4nD3r: Ok, so tell us the problem :)
22:37.00S4nD3rI dont get to record a CDRW in a DVDdrive
22:37.05wols_S4nD3r: easy: the "enter" key is right on your keyboard. just don't hit it as often :)
22:37.16boulbulhi, I asked a question about breaking the password for a file downloaded via torrent... but wols made this statement " checks boulbul's whois to tell the copyright office of UK about it"... and I had my ip address displayed on the forum with other information... why did he do that... what is his proof that I have infringed the copy right if I have not been able to access it...and beside it was just a peace of small software?
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22:38.02themillbdheeman: you can't that I know of. AFAIK, the debhelper system normally uses gz not bz2.
22:38.05bdheemanraggi: the /lib/modules/<k.version>/build and source are usually symlinks to /usr/src/linux-<k.version>
22:38.12pickcoderS4nD3r: look at the front of the drive.. does it say DVD-RW?
22:38.24S4nD3rlol
22:38.28raggiright, linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486 will do :)
22:38.30raggii hope
22:38.39bdheemanthemill: thanks, I needed to verify
22:38.48S4nD3rI recorded a DVD, when I tried to record a CDRW, fails
22:38.49raggiexcellent, thanks all
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22:39.31pickcoderthat's an obvious question that is not so obvious to many clueless people.. DVD-ROM can't burn discs.. <g>
22:39.50S4nD3rhdd: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(66)
22:40.52S4nD3rThis not burns discs?
22:40.54S4nD3rCDS ?
22:41.00S4nD3rJust DVDs ?
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22:41.06pickcoderyes.. CD-R/RW can
22:41.34S4nD3rThen 1?
22:41.37themillboulbul: I don't know what the situation is, but breaking passwords is normally a sign that you're doing something dodgy, and we don't encourage that here on #debian. Free software is about intellectual freedom not about ripping off software for free.
22:41.50pickcoderyou need to provide a lot more info to get help.. what app you used.. which debian version, pastebin the errors, etc
22:42.04S4nD3rIm using etch
22:42.12S4nD3rI tried using gnomebacker
22:42.16S4nD3rand k3b
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22:43.09creatureHello. I did a dist-upgrade, and now my font of choice for Fluxbox has gone all awol. Or possibly all antialiased. Either way, how do I confirm that it's being served by the font server?
22:43.09boulbulit was not a deb application... I downloaded the software...and when I tried to extract it...it asked me for the password... the
22:44.17themillboulbul: it's also fairly off-topic for #debian. You should ask for the password from the person who seeded the torrent.
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22:45.34S4nD3rwhat to do ?
22:45.40bdheemancreature: xlsfonts -fn <pattern>
22:45.42boulbulpickcoder: themil: well, I did not know where to go... and it is my favorite forum...but anyhow, how could someone acuse me of doing something if he does not know what the situation is...and besides, he should not put my details of my isp on the forum for every one to see... he infringed my privacy that way?
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22:47.21creaturebdheeman: OK, so if I put in, say, 'snap' it'll tell me if I have snap installed?
22:47.30creatureThat is, I don't have to worry about giving it a full font spec?
22:47.35Terminusthemill: figured out my problem earlier. installer didn't like the onboard 3c940 NIC. worked fine with rtl8139.
22:47.58bdheemancreature: *snap* or *-snap-*
22:48.03themillTerminus: ahhh.... that can happen. Is that an old ISA 3com card?
22:48.26Terminusthemill: nope. onboard gigabit.
22:48.40themillTerminus: heh... at the other end of the problem.. to new ;)
22:48.43themilltoo*
22:49.16Terminusthemill: worked fine when i slammed a sarge hdd into the box so i thought i wouldn't have any problems with the etch installer. hehe
22:49.28creaturebdheeman: It says it's unmatched.
22:49.37Terminusthemill: it's not exactly new though. i think this mobo has been with me for 3-4 years now.
22:49.45S4nD3rhey
22:49.57S4nD3rsomeone could give some tips
22:50.04S4nD3rIm running gnome
22:50.14themillTerminus: hmm.. that's not great. perhaps ask the installer team if you can provide them with more details as they'll probably want to know about it.
22:50.24S4nD3rI have a CDRW and a DVDRW drives
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22:50.59S4nD3rIn file manager, when I insert 2 discs, only a icon shows
22:51.07bdheemancreature: it means you need to apt-get install <font-package>, which has/had snap and, or an alias snap
22:51.08Davemanwooo
22:51.10S4nD3rCD-RW/DVD±RW Drive (2)
22:51.14Davemangogo gadget kernel build!
22:51.21Terminusthemill: copy that. will check up on this some more when i'm done. =)
22:51.51S4nD3rThe (2) is because theres 2 discs inserted in 2 drives
22:51.53S4nD3rits normal ?
22:52.09bdheemancreature: try apt-cache search font-snap
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22:54.19themillboulbul: As I said, asking how to break passwords is almost always the wrong thing to be doing. Especially on a downloaded file... I can't think of a time when that wouldn't be dodgy, and I suspect that wols was just reminding you of that in a joking manner. Some of your details are publically available to everyone on channel, that's just part of being on irc so nothing was revealed.
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22:56.33petemcibm used to password protect zip files of the firmware for rs6000s, and sometimes forgot to document the passwords
22:56.42themillboulbul: We appreciate that #d is your favourite forum for asking questions and that it seemed a natural place to ask. But please remember that one of the problems the free software movement has had to contend with is the idea that free software is in some way "theft". Any hint of warez on a free software channel is thus just providing our detractors with ammunition and is always off-topic.
22:57.02wols_boulbul: just fyi, if you insist on being innocent, don't acknowledge your guilt ".and beside it was just a peace of small software?"
22:57.23creaturebdheeman: Nothing. It's an artwiz font.
22:57.39boulbulthemill: ok, I understand now... thanks very much...I appreciate your response
22:57.40themillpetemc: but you don't download them from torrents ;)
22:57.40creatureI know that Ubuntu has a package for them, but Debian doesn't seem to.
22:57.50petemcthemill: ah, that much is true
22:58.08themillboulbul: no worries. Hope to see you back on #debian next time you've got a debian-related problem ;)
22:58.18creaturebdheeman: And I have the font in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/artwiz-aleczapka-en-1.3/snap.pcf
22:58.50boulbulthemill: thanks man
22:59.00boulbulyou surely seem me again.
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23:00.07petemcpasswords of torrents can usually be found in the comments of popular torrent sites
23:00.15bdheemancreature: you need to add that either to xorg.conf or xfs's config file
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23:00.45S4nD3rOk
23:00.52S4nD3rI installed just DVD drive
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23:01.04S4nD3rbut, this were not recognized by my etch
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23:01.56petemcthe company i work for is a paid member of FAST
23:02.06wols_whoever that is :)
23:02.07petemcive a meeting with one of their grunts next month
23:02.10S4nD3r<PROTECTED>
23:02.17S4nD3rhdd: HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H55N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
23:02.22petemcfederation against software theft
23:02.23S4nD3rhdd: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(66)
23:02.44S4nD3rBut, do not appears disc inserted
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23:03.42BorbusHi guys, I need to shut down my server at a time when I will not be able to do it manually.. would it better to use shutdown to do it in the future or use at to do it..?
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23:04.09petemcS4nD3r: unless you're using gnome or kde and a very up to date version of debian, you're going to need to mount that disc yourself, manually
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23:04.41BorbusI've never actually used shutdown to do it at a certain time.. but I'm confident that at can do it
23:05.00S4nD3rgnome 2.18
23:05.03TerminusRAID question. i'm trying to setup software raid 5 using 80gb drives. as i understand, that will give me 240gb of space. i'm getting confused, does the installer mean spares == parity?
23:05.37BorbusSo what I really need to know is.. if I make at do /sbin/shutdown -h now at a certain time and I use at as root.. will it be able to do it as root in the future..?
23:05.41petemcS4nD3r: try mount /dev/hdd /mnt
23:05.54S4nD3rok
23:05.57petemcBorbus: i would check that at is working first
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23:06.03S4nD3rnow is working
23:06.06BorbusI know at works
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23:06.13S4nD3rbut I needed to mount manually
23:06.28S4nD3rI will came back soo
23:06.30S4nD3rI will came back soon
23:06.58Terminusnevermind. figured it out. :)
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23:09.23BorbusSo is it safe to use /sbin/shutdown with at..?
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23:10.06dondelelcaroBorbus: why would you do that?
23:10.21dondelelcaroBorbus: just issue shutdown with a time argument appropriate for whatever you're doing
23:10.27BorbusI need to shut my server down when I won't be there
23:10.36BorbusI don't know how that works though
23:10.49BorbusI'm more confident with at :P
23:11.11dondelelcaroBorbus: man shutdown; explains how the time argument works. It's almost exactly the same way that at does.
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23:12.59BorbusSo I should just be able to do /sbin/shutdown 06:00
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23:13.44gpmhi all. i don't see a report for this on bts, and i'm wondering if i should report. i'm running serpentine (a gui for burning CDs from mp3 files) and drag-n-drop doesn't work. i can paste debug info if someone is interested.
23:13.48ben_yBorbus: shutdown -h 06:00
23:15.06BorbusI take it shutdown uses local time?
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23:15.36ben_yBorbus: yes an only on the same day afaik
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23:17.20BorbusHmm.. is it supposed to just keep running..?
23:17.38BorbusIt doesn't use a daemon like at?
23:17.55gpmdidn't think so. time to run reportbug
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23:18.51ben_yBorbus: idunno how it works but it works
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23:19.25Agiofwswhere does debian store its fonts ?
23:19.37BorbusWell it doesn't put me back to bash..
23:19.49BorbusSo if I kill that with ctrl-C will it not shutdown any more..
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23:20.09GreyscaleHmm
23:20.40farhanthat's right
23:20.53BorbusI'd need to keep this running in a detatched screen session so it actually works I think
23:21.16Borbusfarhan, was that to me?
23:21.29farhanI think so
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23:21.53ben_yBorbus: or just shutdown &  but having it in screen ist a better way, so you can abort at any time
23:22.29BorbusI think I'll just use at
23:22.45BorbusThe whole point is that I won't have access to the box when it needs to go down
23:22.50BorbusI'll be sleeping :P
23:22.59BorbusAnd I won't need to abort because the power is going out
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23:25.11noizzeI did update the latest security patches with apt-get
23:25.55noizzei got ask to configure the updates but the terminal closed before i could do
23:25.57BorbusOk.. I've set an at job..
23:26.14BorbusIt should work since I was root when I set it
23:26.18noizzeand now i get some error when i try to reinstall openssl
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23:27.25Nylenoizze: paste the error on pastebin or something
23:27.57Nylenoizze: usually if dpkg is killed while it is doing something you can try to fix it with apt-get -f install
23:28.10Nyleor it should tell you what to do like dpkg -a something or other i can't recall
23:29.29themill!night all
23:29.42noizzeNyle: http://dpaste.com/21259/
23:29.55noizzeI'm sorry about the german messages
23:30.42themillnoizze: LANG=C commands
23:30.55noizzeyes, i just did :)
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23:31.02noizzeyou want i repost it again?
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23:32.03noizzehttp://dpaste.com/21259/
23:32.07Nylenoizze: your dpkg is pretty much still locked
23:32.08streunernoizze: how about to remove libssl-dev first?
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23:32.35Nyleas much as i can make out anyway
23:32.45Nyleyou said you closed terminal while you were being asked stuff by debconf
23:32.52Nyleso try sudo pkill debconf and try again
23:32.59NyleI dunno if this is the right way to kill it
23:33.03noizzeNyle: yes
23:33.07streunermaybe the process is still i bg
23:33.07Nylebut whatever, maybe someone else can guide you
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23:33.12Nylestreuner: exactly
23:33.12streuners/i/in/
23:33.19noizzei did not close, i go timeout :-S
23:33.57Nyleif nothing else  do as in windows and restart :) nah.. you should be able to kill debconf and free the config.dat
23:34.04Nylethen you can do it again and this time don't close it
23:34.05Nyle:)
23:35.16sidWhat is a good software to use for collaborating on ODF Documents, office documents. spread sheets etc
23:35.30streuneropen-office?
23:35.45SlackRatOOorg
23:36.39Nyle!ooo
23:36.39dpkgit has been said that openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org, or ask me about <openoffice.org amd64>
23:36.41streunernoizze: Hast du die Shell einfach geschlossen und eine Session von dpkg läuft immer noch?
23:36.57Nylestreuner: #debian-de please
23:37.02Nyleyou da man :)
23:37.05noizzeNyle: Thank you all who tried to help me ....there was 2 other perl scripts running and it works now after i killed it
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23:37.24Nylei can't read/write/understand german, but i know what a locked file is
23:37.29Nyle:)
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23:37.55streuner!blairsmite Nyle
23:38.03noizzestreuner: nicht einfach, hab was anderes in der zwischenzeit gemacht und dann einen timeout bekommen ;)
23:38.15Nyleumm
23:38.18NyleDu Hast.
23:38.23Nyleahem
23:38.26streunerRammstein :-)
23:38.32Nylehehehe
23:38.37Nylewhich is the extent of my germal
23:38.39Nylegerman
23:38.51streunerjust learn it ;-)
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23:39.02NyleI think 7 languages is enough dude
23:39.08Nyleno more
23:39.09Nyleplease
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23:39.32Nyleok luv you, bye
23:39.34streunerif you talk 7, one more isnt that difficult then
23:39.34Nyle:D
23:39.45Nylestreuner: im too old to learn another language now.
23:40.13Nylestreuner: Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi, Sirayeki, Pushto, English, Arabic
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23:40.27streunerHow old are you? There are people who go to university at the age of 80 :-)
23:40.34Nyletrue true
23:40.39NyleI am only 26
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23:41.24SlackRatbtahki arabi? wallahi?
23:41.56noizzeNyle: i think you count programming languages too, right ;-)
23:42.01Nylenoizze: no
23:42.06streunerNyle: How come you speak arabic too?
23:42.28Nylestreuner: all muslim children are taught to read/write arabic so they can understand The Holy Quran
23:42.41streunerDOH, right
23:42.49Nyle:)
23:43.33streunerfuck, so a lot of people speak arabic
23:43.40SlackRataiwa
23:43.51NyleSlackRat: anamta munim pakistani, alhamdullillah.
23:44.00Nylestreuner: yes lots
23:44.09Nylelets google for most widely spoken languages
23:44.18SlackRatamriki here, saakin fil urdan..... :-P
23:44.30Nylearabic is #5
23:44.37NyleSlackRat: heh
23:44.55streunerusually not without warning...
23:44.56Nylelets please
23:44.58Nyleenglish only
23:45.07SlackRattrue
23:45.15Nyle!arabic
23:45.16dpkgarabic is, like, Linux supports the Arabic language.  See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/
23:45.20Nylehmm
23:45.26SlackRatHappy Ramadan
23:45.29Nylewhat language code does it use?
23:45.30NyleSlackRat: thanks
23:45.35Nylelike 'ar'?
23:45.36Nylefor arabic?
23:45.41streunerno
23:45.46Nylethen?
23:45.46streunerar is argentina
23:45.50Nylethats a country code
23:45.53Nyleoh doh
23:45.54Nyleright
23:46.01streunerah, wikipedia should know
23:46.05SlackRattwo more hours till fasting begins again over here
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23:46.17NyleI just broke my fast
23:46.22Nylesleepy time soon
23:46.38NyleI'm going to smoke a biggest blunt on Eid
23:46.40NyleI swear to god
23:46.49SlackRatLOL
23:46.50Nyleanyway
23:47.01SlackRatonly if you share with the rest of the class
23:47.17NyleSlackRat: I take offtopic stuff to #music
23:47.20Nylewanna join me there?
23:47.24gentlegeeki just cummed on the floor
23:47.37Nylegentlegeek: that is very inappropriate
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23:48.08streunerISO 639-1: ar ISO 639-2: ara ISO 639-3: ara — Arabic (generic)
23:48.19Nyleara?
23:48.20Nylear?
23:48.22Nylewhat?!
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23:48.42streunerNyle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic
23:48.49Nylealready there :)
23:48.53streunerNyle: picture on the right there
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23:49.02SlackRatkinda stuck with updating apt here.....think im gonna change mirrors
23:49.29Nylewhat about it
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23:49.35Nyleman
23:49.39Nyleapt-spy used to kick ass
23:49.46NyleI actually forgot why it was discontinued
23:49.59dondelelcaroNyle: it's still there
23:50.00SlackRatjust starts to slow incredibly on one or two sections............
23:50.10Nyledondelelcaro: in sarge or in all releases
23:50.23NyleI was told apt-spy is only for sarge and not in etch or later
23:50.34Nyle!info apt-spy
23:50.35SlackRati just came up in etch
23:50.37dpkgapt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-16+b3 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
23:50.43Nylehmm.. i'll be damned
23:51.05Nyleohhhh.. my bad, i think I'm talking about apt-setup or something or the other
23:51.07Nylenevermind
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23:52.26NyleSlackRat: its nice eh
23:52.33dondelelcaroit's apt-setup, and that's really because no one has bothered to package it separately
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23:52.49NyleSlackRat: I'm stuck on xp because I am playing a few games
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23:53.37Terminushello. i just configured software raid5 and i'm getting hard disk thrashing even when nothing going on. is this a problem with the IDE controller/driver?
23:53.37siddondelelcaro: You know a good software to use for collaborating on ODF Documents, office documents. spread sheets etc
23:53.43SlackRatyeah, especially since i gotta find a faster mirror.......this one sucks.......LOL , I was on xp last night and discovered a friggen worm..........thinking of wiping MS entirely these days
23:53.46sidmaking manuals and stuff like that. I need like 8 people to be able to access them, print them, make changes easily.
23:53.51SlackRatsid, Open Office
23:53.56NyleSlackRat: I am my own av
23:54.07Nyleplus I use server 2003
23:54.09sidSlackRat: I can collaborate online with that?
23:54.19Nylesid read the features maybe
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23:54.29Nyleor just ask in the irc channel :)
23:54.31SlackRatcheck their extensive docs and homepage
23:54.35dondelelcarosid: google docs works pretty well for some of that
23:54.46Terminusi've got hda as my boot hard drive, hdb and hdc are in md0, hdd is a separate partition, sda and sdb are in md0.
23:55.12dondelelcarosid: for text stuff, I'd personally just use a vcs like svn or git or bzr with LaTeX
23:55.21siddondelelcaro: yea, but they have size limitations for files. Some stuff has instructions for swapping out printed circuit boards and such, with pictures in the document.
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23:55.28sidIt's like 500k limit to each document for google docs
23:55.41dondelelcaroah
23:55.44gravitylyx ftw
23:55.49siddondelelcaro: yea, I would like that. but I can't do that with these other people
23:55.54sidit needs to be more user friendly
23:55.56dondelelcaroyeah, for manuals, LaTeX with svn/git/bzr is the best
23:56.17SlackRathmn, how do i just get apt to pull etch security upgrades ,,,,,,,,its listed hundreds of packages
23:56.20dondelelcarothe other people should at least be able to figure out svn with tortoise svn
23:56.27dondelelcaro(unless they're totally lost)
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23:56.49dondelelcaro(or just the command line or vsvn.el on unix)
23:57.07sidSlackRat: I think you should just dist-upgrade everything. So you have the latest packages on etch.
23:57.25sidit seems dangerous for the system to force upgrades of only some packages, and leave others behind.
23:57.46sidIt's symbiotic in many situations, so packages rely on certain libraries that are shared, etc.
23:57.47SlackRati run a sid box for the latest, i use etch for stability and ease of maintanance
23:57.47zer0x`quick dual booting question
23:57.51zer0x`if windows is installed now
23:58.02zer0x`can i just resize with debian, and install?
23:58.03sidSlackRat: right, so you should upgrade all the packages on etch.
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23:58.09zer0x`or do i need space in front of the partition for /boot?
23:58.12sidSlackRat: etch is stable.
23:58.26sidAnd you have old packages on etch, or they're all security updates.
23:58.35sidlikely both
23:58.37SlackRattrue, i ll put the time aside when not working and just aptitude upgrade
23:58.46SlackRatboth it seems
23:59.42zer0x`?
23:59.44SlackRatlots of media players too need updating.........and OO.........its gonna take a bunch of time when im away from the keyboard for a bit

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