| 00:00.11 | SlackRat | zer0x, i was answering sid |
| 00:00.23 | SlackRat | never had a boot partition using xp and linux |
| 00:00.39 | zer0x` | hmm |
| 00:00.40 | zer0x` | ;/ |
| 00:01.16 | SlackRat | if you want one, maybe someone here configured their boxen that way....dont know personally, doesnt mean it cant be done |
| 00:01.41 | zer0x` | alright, thanks |
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| 00:01.49 | SlackRat | no problem |
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| 00:03.29 | dkr | zer0x`: depends on how small you shrink the windows partition I think, :) |
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| 00:04.01 | zer0x` | dkr, say...150 gig? |
| 00:04.03 | zer0x` | from 200 |
| 00:04.12 | zer0x` | give linux 50 gigs..would that work? |
| 00:04.26 | SlackRat | 50 s good for linux |
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| 00:04.49 | zer0x` | does linux need to be first on the drive tho, or can it be above cylynder 1024? |
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| 00:05.07 | SlackRat | had to install linux on someones vista box and thats about how much vista would give me as an auto resize |
| 00:05.11 | dkr | zer0x`: that's fine. my current debian/xp setup at home I just split the primary disk 250GB 250GB for each OS |
| 00:05.21 | zer0x` | ah |
| 00:05.34 | zer0x` | and linux can resize itself i assume? |
| 00:05.40 | Ace2016 | My second hard disk is not detected on my laptop :( |
| 00:05.41 | SlackRat | zer0x, so far as i know that first 1024 limit is long gone |
| 00:06.09 | Ace2016 | and i don't have any disks to burn the latest version of debian |
| 00:06.25 | Ace2016 | could i use a usb pen to boot to the debian installer??? |
| 00:06.27 | zer0x` | alright |
| 00:06.30 | SlackRat | i got old 40GB boxen with two OSs on each, still have plenty of room |
| 00:06.37 | zer0x` | ah |
| 00:06.40 | zer0x` | alright, ty sir |
| 00:06.46 | asg | Ace2016: yes, provided your machine can boot from a USB stick |
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| 00:07.39 | Ace2016 | yea it can boot from a usb stick |
| 00:07.54 | Ace2016 | but how do i get a the debian net installer onto it in the first place? |
| 00:08.01 | SlackRat | yeah, liinux partitioning tools are pretty good, esp compared to the alternatives |
| 00:08.03 | asg | Ace2016: then the install manual has all you need to know |
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| 00:08.33 | SlackRat | download the netinstall iso to the usb stick? |
| 00:08.49 | Ace2016 | oh wait |
| 00:09.17 | Ace2016 | could i put it onto a partition i have, its fat16 so it can be read by linux fine |
| 00:09.28 | SlackRat | good question |
| 00:09.41 | Ace2016 | it has 172mb of free apace |
| 00:09.54 | SlackRat | i think etch has packaged the installer into the general distro itself these days tho |
| 00:10.07 | SlackRat | correct me if im wrong |
| 00:10.55 | Ace2016 | i don't think i want to download 26cds, to find that just like knoppix it cannot see both my hard drives |
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| 00:11.20 | SlackRat | three cds is more than enough to get a bigass debian system up and running |
| 00:12.12 | Ace2016 | yes but thats not the point, i want a minimalistic system without having to buy more disks |
| 00:12.15 | SlackRat | remember there is an option to use cd 1 for either kde, or the gnome disk |
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| 00:12.46 | SlackRat | see whats on disk one, you may be able to get fluxbox or xfce without more cds |
| 00:13.19 | Ace2016 | I want to do a net install |
| 00:13.29 | Nyle | !netinst |
| 00:13.29 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 00:13.30 | SlackRat | then download the netinstall disk |
| 00:13.36 | asg | Ace2016: do you have a floppy drive? |
| 00:13.47 | Nyle | is there an OS on the drive already? |
| 00:13.54 | Nyle | read sections 3,4,5 of the debian install guide |
| 00:13.55 | Nyle | !ig |
| 00:13.55 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 00:14.06 | Nyle | everything you need to know about installing debian is there |
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| 00:14.53 | Ace2016 | nope no floppy drive on the laptop |
| 00:15.27 | Ace2016 | guess i just have to get some cds |
| 00:15.37 | Nyle | Ace2016: is there an OS on the laptop already? |
| 00:15.40 | Nyle | windows or another linux? |
| 00:16.06 | Ace2016 | Windows Vista (i'm trying to get ahold of xp now, not much luck) |
| 00:16.35 | Ace2016 | so far knoppix has been unable to see both my drives in the laptop, i posted in the forums but no reply yet |
| 00:16.50 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:16.57 | Nyle | did you have xp on it before? |
| 00:17.08 | Ace2016 | no it came with vista, i just hate it |
| 00:17.17 | Nyle | you can actually boot the netinstall from vista |
| 00:17.24 | Nyle | I'm not sure if debian.exe would work in vista |
| 00:17.28 | Nyle | but try it anyway |
| 00:17.31 | Nyle | !debian.exe |
| 00:17.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 00:17.34 | Ace2016 | i have debian.exe |
| 00:17.38 | SlackRat | im not sure vista works in vista |
| 00:17.44 | Nyle | SlackRat: hahaha |
| 00:17.45 | Ace2016 | but the internet connection will not work with that |
| 00:18.01 | Nyle | Ace2016: so wire it |
| 00:18.06 | Ace2016 | at uni all the machines are use some sort of ID system and linux can't connect to it |
| 00:18.16 | Ace2016 | but windows has been authenticated and can connect |
| 00:18.17 | Nyle | Ace2016: oh no ethernet |
| 00:18.40 | Nyle | its probably a wireless problem with netinstall maybe not containing the driver/firmware |
| 00:18.44 | Nyle | etc. |
| 00:18.52 | Ace2016 | not wireless |
| 00:18.54 | Ace2016 | its wired |
| 00:18.58 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:19.03 | Nyle | what laptop is it? |
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| 00:19.10 | Ace2016 | and there was a registration page with login and stuff and showed my mac code and all taht |
| 00:19.12 | Ace2016 | that* |
| 00:19.25 | Ace2016 | does the mac id change from os to os? i'd check to see if vista and knoppix have the same one but i can't figure out how to do it on vista |
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| 00:19.43 | Nyle | hmm.. you might be stuck with vista then. if you need to authenticate windows to use the network, then yeh, you are stuck with windows afaik |
| 00:20.02 | Nyle | Ace2016: no mac ids are hardcoded |
| 00:20.16 | Nyle | every single network card has a unique mac id |
| 00:20.27 | Ace2016 | hm... so its probably the host name or something |
| 00:20.38 | Nyle | dunno |
| 00:20.59 | Nyle | debian.exe might not be finding the right kernel/initrd for you |
| 00:21.10 | Nyle | i know for me it tried to get amd64 on an intel cpu |
| 00:21.43 | Nyle | you should try debian.exe anyway, and then modify c:\menu.lst yourelf and add the location of the kernel/initrd, and download a later one, maybe a testing netboot kernel/initrd |
| 00:21.49 | Ace2016 | Oh it boots up fine |
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| 00:22.16 | Ace2016 | but can't get any internet connection, i think thats what happened with the text install, the graphical one might work |
| 00:22.25 | Nyle | Ace2016: maybe etch netboot kernel doesn't contain your driver? i dunno |
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| 00:22.41 | Nyle | you should find out what network card is in your laptop and try to find out the driver that will support it in debian |
| 00:23.08 | Nyle | Ace2016: hmm, its not wireless you say, its wired, and it doesn't connect. do you need a login/pass to get into internet |
| 00:23.14 | Ace2016 | but why would 1 of two identical drives not be shown, the dmesg is here, the important stuff (i think) is in bold http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19734 |
| 00:24.07 | Nyle | can't help you with knoppi |
| 00:24.08 | Ace2016 | Could i from within windows install debian? |
| 00:24.11 | Nyle | you should try #knoppix instead |
| 00:24.28 | Ace2016 | oh i thought knoppix was based on debian |
| 00:24.34 | Nyle | !based on debian |
| 00:24.34 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 00:24.37 | SlackRat | it is but its a live cd |
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| 00:25.09 | Nyle | just made me waste 10 minutes |
| 00:25.25 | SlackRat | and uses a mixed source.list |
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| 00:25.43 | Ace2016 | ok wait a sec |
| 00:25.54 | SlackRat | times up |
| 00:25.58 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 00:25.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:26.09 | Ace2016 | i've tried the debian installer from goodbye-windows but that does not wrok since i can't connect to the netwrok |
| 00:26.25 | Ace2016 | and knoppix has a ui so i can register, but then it can't see the hard drives |
| 00:26.27 | Caelum | why would I get "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" when trying to connect to a windows share with smbclient, when connecting to it from windows works fine |
| 00:26.31 | Ace2016 | so i'm kind of stuck here |
| 00:26.55 | Nyle | Caelum: because you are probably doing it as root, and root is blocked in smb.conf by default |
| 00:27.08 | Nyle | Caelum: and maybe you have not added the user with smbpasswd -a username |
| 00:27.32 | Nyle | or mabye something else, which I can't think of at this time |
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| 00:28.08 | Haris | Hello people |
| 00:28.14 | Haris | I have debian 3.1 on a box |
| 00:28.19 | Haris | How do I add curl to it? |
| 00:28.26 | Haris | dpg add curl? |
| 00:28.55 | SlackRat | dpkg -i curl? |
| 00:28.55 | dpkg | package curl is already installed |
| 00:29.05 | Haris | aptitude install curl? |
| 00:29.05 | Haris | apg-get curl? |
| 00:29.07 | SlackRat | yeah, like the bot said |
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| 00:29.23 | Nyle | !tell Haris -about search |
| 00:29.57 | SlackRat | cmon you miserable bot, tell him.....chop chop |
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| 00:33.03 | Caelum | Nyle: I can connect to other windows shares fine, it's just that one that won't let me connect |
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| 00:34.03 | Haris | How can I have a list of the current installed packages? |
| 00:34.08 | Haris | dpkg -l *php* shows nothing |
| 00:34.08 | dpkg | ii *php* shows nothing 3.1-3.2 haris's private porn collection |
| 00:34.24 | Haris | o.o |
| 00:34.38 | dkr | Haris: those * are ebing interpeted by your shell, not being sent to dpkg |
| 00:34.43 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 00:34.55 | Haris | dkr: wonderful! it doesn't take wildcards |
| 00:34.56 | dkr | dpkg -l '*php*' |
| 00:34.56 | dpkg | ii '*php*' 3.6-12.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 00:35.09 | Nyle | Caelum: post your smb.conf on pastebin |
| 00:35.17 | Haris | It doens't show any packages without the * as well |
| 00:35.20 | dkr | Haris: it does, you justa ren't sendnig it wildcards. you are sending it the list of file sin your current directory that your shell amtches to *phpA* |
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| 00:36.13 | Haris | dkr: How do I check? |
| 00:36.14 | amphi | unless there are no matches, and then bash passes the string literally, incredibly |
| 00:36.55 | odine | ok so i have debian installed on an HP dv9008nr laptop....trying to get wireless working but it wont connect to networks...seems that it finds the driver and all (broadcom) but like in gnome at the top right panel if i double click and try to connect to a network it doesnt work... can someone help please? |
| 00:37.00 | dkr | that's annoying, mislead people into thinking something works that shouldn't ;) |
| 00:37.39 | gcentauri | Hi. I'm running Debian etch on a PPC machine. I recently changed my partition map, and my root directory changed, so I'm having trouble booting. I've gotten yaboot working again but it keeps looking for the kernel in the wrong place. What do I need to do to change it? At boot I have to tell it where vmlinux is, and after that I get a kernel panic telling me i need to change my root=... |
| 00:37.41 | gcentauri | ...configuration. |
| 00:37.58 | amphi | dkr: yes, mind-boggling - I think you can change that behaviour, but the default is insane IMHO |
| 00:38.35 | Haris | damn |
| 00:38.49 | Haris | dpkg -L psa started showing all the files, rather than the package list |
| 00:38.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching psa started showing all the files, rather than the package list |
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| 00:39.46 | dkr | Haris: amazing when options do what they are supposed to, isn't it? |
| 00:39.47 | Nyle | Haris: aptitude search '~i' |
| 00:40.21 | Haris | hmm.. |
| 00:40.25 | Haris | dpk -l psa |
| 00:40.31 | Haris | dpkg -l psa |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching psa |
| 00:41.13 | Nyle | !aptitude basics |
| 00:41.13 | dpkg | aptitude basics is probably Learn to use aptitude at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html |
| 00:41.20 | dkr | dpkg: your name is silly |
| 00:41.20 | dpkg | ...but your name is already something else... |
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| 00:41.42 | cal_ | running e2fsck on a damaged partition.. it just sits there on "clearing orphaned inode" .... anything else i can try? |
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| 00:41.55 | cal_ | ray: durn.. hehe |
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| 00:43.44 | Haris | http://sial.org/pbot/27852 |
| 00:43.59 | Haris | I'm trying to install php4-curl and its giving me an error |
| 00:44.05 | Haris | doesn't make sense |
| 00:44.12 | Nyle | Haris: apt-get install php4 |
| 00:44.14 | Haris | doesn't dpkg -i php4-curl install php4-curl package? |
| 00:44.16 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:44.24 | Nyle | php4-curl |
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| 00:44.30 | odine | ok so i have debian installed on an HP dv9008nr laptop....trying to get wireless working but it wont connect to networks...seems that it finds the driver and all (broadcom) but like in gnome at the top right panel if i double click and try to connect to a network it doesnt work... can someone help please? |
| 00:44.36 | Nyle | !info php4-curl |
| 00:44.42 | odine | or in general how do i get my broadcom wifi driver working in debian? |
| 00:45.00 | Haris | Ok, so dpkg can only install pre-fetched packages that exist locally in the current working directory? |
| 00:45.02 | Nyle | !info php4-curl etch |
| 00:45.08 | dpkg | php4-curl: (CURL module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8+etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 00:45.20 | Haris | !info php4-curl sarge |
| 00:45.25 | dpkg | php4-curl: (CURL module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-19 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 00:45.57 | Nyle | Haris: dpkg -i is used to manually install a *.deb file |
| 00:45.57 | Nyle | !tell Haris -about pacakge basics |
| 00:46.04 | Nyle | !tell Haris -about package basics |
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| 00:46.51 | odine | dunno if it makes this easier but i also have a USB linksys wireless adaptor model wusb300n if thats easier to get working? |
| 00:47.05 | Nyle | !bcm43xx |
| 00:47.06 | dpkg | from memory, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 00:47.37 | Caelum | Nyle: http://paste.debian.net/38659 |
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| 00:48.21 | Nyle | CalJohn: check your permissions for home |
| 00:48.28 | Haris | failed because of dependencies |
| 00:48.52 | odine | this may be a good time to rebuild my kernel than.... what packages do i need to get to build the current newest/stable kernel? |
| 00:49.08 | Nyle | !kp |
| 00:49.09 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 00:49.16 | odine | thanks |
| 00:49.45 | Caelum | Nyle: although I don't see how smb.conf would have any effect on me connecting to a windows share... |
| 00:49.53 | Nyle | oh its a windows share |
| 00:50.17 | Nyle | Caelum: have you tried #samba? |
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| 00:50.23 | Supaplex | uhm. open office impress does not suport svg insertion? how lame. |
| 00:50.39 | Caelum | Nyle: I will, thank you |
| 00:51.02 | Nyle | odine: why are you rebuilding your kernel? |
| 00:51.10 | Nyle | something wron with stock debian kernel? |
| 00:51.16 | user01 | bittorrent doesnt seem to be uploading at all . . . do i have to create a new folder with read write permission for everyone? |
| 00:51.37 | amphi | user01: no |
| 00:51.38 | Nyle | user01: check settings, firewall |
| 00:51.46 | Nyle | user01: router maybe |
| 00:51.59 | Nyle | doesn't sound like a permission issue, as long as the file can be read |
| 00:52.06 | user01 | Nyle: k let me see |
| 00:52.25 | odine | nyle last question.. again its been awhile for me... got this packages done... i know how to build a kernel and config and all that...forget the name of the actual kernel source package to download.. heh... kernel-source or linux-source... |
| 00:53.35 | Nyle | odine: linux-source-..... |
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| 00:58.55 | venger | odine this is good link that i use in additino to what dpkg says : http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#SRC-KERNEL-PKG |
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| 01:02.24 | gcentauri | Hi. I'm running Debian etch on a PPC machine. I recently changed my partition map, and my root directory changed, so I'm having trouble booting. I've gotten yaboot working again but it keeps looking for the kernel in the wrong place. What do I need to do to change it? At boot I have to tell it where vmlinux is, and after that I get a kernel panic telling me i need to change my root=... |
| 01:02.25 | gcentauri | ...configuration. i keep changing my yaboot.conf file but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 01:02.32 | stiv2k | what is brltty ? braille terminal or something? |
| 01:02.50 | user01 | Nyle: hmmm yeah i cant see why it wouldnt unless debian blocks certain ports by default . . . aka 6881-6889 |
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| 01:03.02 | cybercrypt | anyone using etch for firewall and proxy |
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| 01:03.38 | Wyzard | cybercrypt: I have an etch firewall, though it isn't a proxy |
| 01:03.41 | gener1c | anybody here uses nessus on lenny? |
| 01:04.04 | gener1c | just say yes so ill know it works |
| 01:04.05 | gener1c | lol |
| 01:04.19 | gener1c | ill find out whats wrong myself(or so i think) |
| 01:04.54 | Wyzard | user01: or unless you need to forward those ports on your router |
| 01:04.57 | user01 | 6881-6889 are the same ports for bittorrent for upload right? |
| 01:05.20 | gener1c | yeah |
| 01:05.20 | Wyzard | user01: They're the defaults in some clients, but really any port can be used |
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| 01:05.39 | gener1c | dont make it difficult for him lol |
| 01:05.51 | Wyzard | user01: Debian doesn't block any ports by default |
| 01:05.59 | user01 | Wyzard: well it makes sense you can walk through any door :) |
| 01:06.18 | user01 | thats open . . . |
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| 01:06.47 | Guerin | user01: I know people who've taken a decade to fail to understand that simple concept |
| 01:06.56 | Haris | Do we use wget on debian 3.1 to get files from web/ftp? like this -> http://autoinstall.plesk.com/plesk_7.5.3_deb3.1.inf |
| 01:07.11 | Haris | or do we have some other utility for it |
| 01:07.23 | user01 | Guerin: well . . . it helped that i had a little french in high school . . . porte = door :) |
| 01:07.26 | Wyzard | Haris: wget is available and a perfectly valid way to download things |
| 01:07.35 | Wyzard | Haris: Debian 3.1 is outdated, btw |
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| 01:08.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:08.12 | Haris | outdated? |
| 01:08.17 | Wyzard | Haris: 4.0 is current |
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| 01:09.12 | Haris | Am I correct when I say 4.0r1, not 4.0? |
| 01:09.12 | user01 | i just had to change my nickserv password cause i wasnt paying attention and it in the channel instead of the opening screen . . . grrrrr |
| 01:09.20 | user01 | put |
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| 01:09.43 | user01 | which irc had encrypted passwords |
| 01:09.45 | user01 | :) |
| 01:09.52 | user01 | ans wish |
| 01:09.55 | user01 | and |
| 01:10.00 | user01 | full of mistakes tonight |
| 01:10.30 | Haris | wget is valid, agreed. people say its insecure |
| 01:11.01 | Wyzard | Haris: What's insecure about it? |
| 01:11.13 | neighbors | my system stops during boot to ask if I want to enter single usermode when a certain filesystem is missing |
| 01:11.30 | neighbors | I put errors=continue in /etc/fstab for the options for that filesystem, but it still does this |
| 01:11.42 | neighbors | is there a way I can have the system continue automatically? |
| 01:12.28 | Wyzard | neighbors: That's not what errors=continue means |
| 01:12.42 | Haris | does grep highlight stuff as well? |
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| 01:13.50 | Wyzard | neighbors: errors=continue means that if the filesystem driver finds that a mounted filesystem has errors, it should ignore them and keep operating (rather than remounting the filesystem read-only to avoid possibly corrupting it further) |
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| 01:14.00 | Wyzard | neighbors: It has nothing to do with the initial fsck during startup |
| 01:14.05 | neighbors | I see |
| 01:14.23 | neighbors | this filesystem isn't failing fsck, it's that it doesn't always exist at boot time |
| 01:14.37 | user01 | well these are the firewall rules i have: one for tcp to webserver from router on 80 and 443, and one for 6881-6889 to computer running bt . . . and rule i dont know if i need for everything to router internal ip |
| 01:15.27 | Haris | People: http://sial.org/pbot/27854 |
| 01:16.06 | Haris | package fetching fails for curl |
| 01:16.08 | Haris | on sarge |
| 01:16.28 | Haris | ..also for all its dependencies that is |
| 01:16.34 | Haris | and+ also |
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| 01:17.32 | Haris | How do I do it? |
| 01:18.07 | user01 | Nyle: do i need to make rules on my debian box to forward back to router? |
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| 01:20.47 | user01 | im just trying to understand the path of the packets . . . so they come in on the external ip and get translated to local ip of router where there are told to be forwarded to debian box . . . but how does the debian box know how to send them back through the router to the internet? |
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| 01:22.08 | user01 | thats why i though there would be something misconfigured on debian box as things are coming in they are not going out |
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| 01:22.25 | majmun | i need a little bashscript, which can replace in all files in a directory a specific string |
| 01:22.55 | majmun | any ideas how to make that? :P |
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| 01:23.46 | user01 | grrr i wish i didnt belong to the worst lug on the planet i would just ask them at a meeting :) |
| 01:23.55 | pipeline | majmun: perl -i |
| 01:24.06 | user01 | we have to be the only lug that meets in a windows lab |
| 01:24.07 | Wyzard | majmun: sed to do the replacement, find and xargs to invoke the sed command on all the files |
| 01:24.34 | Haris | Wyzard: Any insight into where I can get that package from? |
| 01:24.36 | majmun | just found that: $ cat * | replace : '|' |
| 01:25.37 | Haris | Can we tell apt-get which mirror to use/ |
| 01:26.35 | Haris | Where does apt-get keep a list of mirrors? |
| 01:26.50 | Wyzard | Haris: That version of libc6 is from etch, not sarge |
| 01:27.21 | Wyzard | Haris: and it's been superseded by an updated version (2.3.6.ds1-13etch2), which is why your mirror doesn't have the file anymore |
| 01:27.48 | Haris | so, what's my option? |
| 01:27.53 | Haris | options+ |
| 01:28.16 | Haris | I need these 'old' packages for sarge |
| 01:28.23 | Wyzard | Haris: run "apt-get update" so that apt knows about the current set of available packages |
| 01:28.28 | Haris | There's bound to be some mirror having packages for sarge on it |
| 01:28.35 | Haris | Ok |
| 01:28.53 | Wyzard | Haris: and the fact that your apt is trying to download etch packages means you're probably not running sarge |
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| 01:29.21 | Haris | I added the --fix-missing option to apt-get as suggested by it |
| 01:29.24 | Haris | its working |
| 01:29.31 | Haris | o_O |
| 01:29.32 | user01 | is it dangerous to install a new kernel in etch? |
| 01:29.47 | Wyzard | Haris: --fix-missing is unrelated to your problem... all you need to do is "apt-get update" |
| 01:30.01 | user01 | wireless modem is supported in the 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 01:30.44 | Elive_user10 | !apt fonts |
| 01:31.48 | Haris | => http://sial.org/pbot/27855 |
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| 01:32.01 | Haris | Wyzard: will that update the OS version? |
| 01:32.15 | Haris | Wyzard: I don't want to lose a stable production box to a failed update |
| 01:32.43 | Wyzard | Haris: Are you talking about upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 01:33.04 | Wyzard | Haris: You have *already* upgraded, either partially or entirely, to etch |
| 01:33.26 | Haris | how? |
| 01:33.28 | Haris | when? |
| 01:33.34 | Wyzard | Haris: I have no idea |
| 01:33.47 | Haris | I still can't list installed packages with dpkg |
| 01:33.53 | Wyzard | Haris: but your apt-get is downloading etch versions of packages |
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| 01:34.00 | Haris | dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections doesn't work |
| 01:34.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching or dpkg --get-selections doesn't work |
| 01:34.12 | raggi | where do i find the documentation for the "in-target" command for preseed configs? |
| 01:35.13 | Haris | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 01:35.14 | Haris | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 01:35.14 | Elive_user10 | How do you install fonts? |
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| 01:35.21 | Wyzard | Haris: Your apt thinks the current version of libc6 is a version that used to be in etch, isn't anymore because it got replaced by an update, but most importantly, was never in sarage |
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| 01:35.51 | Haris | Which files does apt-get update get to know what servers to hit for updates? |
| 01:36.03 | Wyzard | Haris: See /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:36.37 | Haris | I have 4 instances of plesk servers in it |
| 01:36.39 | Haris | o_O |
| 01:37.03 | Wyzard | Haris: And how about the sources for Debian itself? |
| 01:37.23 | Haris | 3 |
| 01:37.35 | Haris | deb http://ftp.dolphins.ch/debian stable main contrib |
| 01:37.36 | Haris | deb-src http://ftp.dolphins.ch/debian stable main contrib |
| 01:37.41 | Haris | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 01:37.48 | Wyzard | Haris: "stable"... currently that's etch, not sarge |
| 01:38.31 | Haris | I'm getting the feeling, apt-get is quite an advanced parallel of yum/up2date |
| 01:38.40 | Guerin | hah |
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| 01:39.00 | Haris | in that it can handle multiple branches |
| 01:39.03 | Guerin | apt-get predates both by many years, and was only ever intended as a proof-of-concept |
| 01:39.09 | SlackRat | bite your tongue |
| 01:39.12 | Wyzard | Haris: Well, you're not supposed to mix versions |
| 01:39.37 | Guerin | yum/up2date are just feeble partial rewrites |
| 01:39.45 | Wyzard | Haris: Either upgrade to etch, or stay with sarge... but don't have etch sources and install individual etch packages without actually upgrading to etch |
| 01:39.48 | Guerin | if you want a real package manager, use aptitude |
| 01:40.02 | Elive_user10 | Where do I put a font I download to have it available with debian? |
| 01:40.09 | Haris | Wyzard: Well, if it doesn't break a box and get's the job done, what more do I want? |
| 01:40.17 | Guerin | Elive_user10: tldp.org font howto |
| 01:40.20 | Haris | hmm.. |
| 01:40.24 | Elive_user10 | thanks |
| 01:40.39 | Haris | Wyzard: Is upgrade to etch .. something conceivable off of apt-get? |
| 01:40.39 | Wyzard | Haris: The problem is that it *could* break your box -- etch packages aren't tested for cherry-picking on sarge |
| 01:40.51 | Wyzard | Haris: Yes, you can do that with apt-get (though aptitude is recommended) |
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| 01:41.21 | Haris | Is there any simulation aptitude can run to assess possible/percentage of effectiveness? |
| 01:41.30 | Guerin | Haris: -s |
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| 01:41.47 | Guerin | for `simulate' |
| 01:41.53 | Wyzard | Haris: See the release notes for info on upgrading |
| 01:42.18 | Wyzard | Haris: If you haven't actually installed any etch packages on your system, you could change "stable" to "sarge" in your sources.list, and that'd let you continue running sarge |
| 01:42.40 | Wyzard | Haris: but since apt's package lists had already been updated to know about etch stuff, it seems fairly likely you've installed some etch stuff already |
| 01:42.51 | Haris | Firstly, how the heck! do I list packages with dpkg? lol |
| 01:42.52 | Wyzard | Haris: and sarge will become unsupported eventually |
| 01:43.09 | Guerin | i strongly advise reading the debian reference |
| 01:43.12 | Guerin | !reference |
| 01:43.13 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 01:43.14 | Haris | Wyzard: I expected 1 more year of support, since 4.0 is still in r |
| 01:43.28 | Guerin | Haris: before you do complicated whit you should know which end of which tool to use |
| 01:43.31 | Wyzard | in r? |
| 01:43.39 | Guerin | Haris: r is not rc |
| 01:43.49 | Haris | I see |
| 01:43.57 | Wyzard | Haris: You're right that oldstable is generally supported for about a year, but etch was released over half a year ago |
| 01:44.02 | Wyzard | Haris: February 14th, IIRC |
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| 01:45.26 | Haris | Its a scaring concept, the fact that support for old, currently running OSs runs out without a possibility of upgrade to the latest |
| 01:45.40 | doodle77 | why do my xwd's look trippin' like this: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1237/lappy8086sa7.png ? |
| 01:45.52 | Haris | running out THAT quickly |
| 01:45.56 | Wyzard | Haris: What do you mean, without possibility of upgrade? |
| 01:45.59 | Guerin | Haris: wtf? |
| 01:46.04 | Wyzard | Haris: Of course you can upgrade |
| 01:46.09 | Guerin | Haris: debian is *designed* to be upgraded in-place |
| 01:46.14 | SlackRat | not if you realize debian is a series of rolling releases |
| 01:46.32 | Guerin | that's the whole fucking point of package management, a fact which the authors of yum didn't seem to grok when they wrote it |
| 01:46.35 | SlackRat | till a freeze is called stable , but testing and sid move on |
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| 01:47.59 | Haris | Guerin: I'm still learning about debian. I have 3.1 on this client's box and 4.0r1 on my home win2k vmware vm |
| 01:48.10 | Haris | Just started it, I might say |
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| 01:48.28 | Haris | It'll take me a while to get to know debian's pros' n cons' |
| 01:48.43 | SlackRat | ... |
| 01:48.52 | Haris | I'm used to rebiuld boxes a gazillion times a month just to puke up OSs till they die |
| 01:49.04 | Haris | to see how they work |
| 01:49.25 | Haris | That's how we learn :p |
| 01:49.35 | SlackRat | *blinks* |
| 01:49.52 | Haris | How do I send wildcards to dpkg? |
| 01:50.03 | Wyzard | Haris: Well, you do need to upgrade that client box at some point, especially since it may be in an inconsistent partially-upgraded state now |
| 01:50.05 | Haris | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents does not have details on dpkg |
| 01:50.32 | kspath | Haris: man dpkg had nothing useful ? |
| 01:50.37 | rdz | hi all.. what does it mean, when suddenly 'dd' uses 40% of cpu time? is there any known process starting a 'dd' instance from time to time? is probably dd used to transfer RAM to swap? |
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| 01:50.55 | jello | any recommendations for domain registrar? |
| 01:51.06 | SlackRat | Debian System Concepts and Techniques is a worthwhile investment if youre exploring debian |
| 01:51.25 | Haris | kspath: Nope, it doesn't talk about wildcards |
| 01:51.28 | Wyzard | rdz: Check its parent process (with ps) to see what's running it |
| 01:51.42 | SlackRat | havent seen any free pdfs of that one tho..... |
| 01:51.46 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.46 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.49 | kspath | Haris: That is quite odd, mine does. |
| 01:52.06 | Wyzard | kspath: Haris is running (mostly) sarge, not etch |
| 01:52.10 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.10 | dpkg | No packages found matching | --list package-name-pattern ... |
| 01:52.10 | rdz | Wyzard, it unfortunately disappeared already again.... but thanks, i'll try next time |
| 01:52.10 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.11 | Wyzard | It might be a new feature |
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| 01:52.45 | Haris | Guerin: Looks like they didn't think of wildcards in the old version of dpkg too |
| 01:52.48 | Haris | :p |
| 01:53.17 | kspath | Haris: EXAMPLES section has nothing? |
| 01:53.19 | jello | Haris: dpkg --get-selections | fgrep -i foo |
| 01:53.39 | Haris | fgrep hmm |
| 01:53.54 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.54 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching '*vi*' |
| 01:53.58 | Haris | but its not! working |
| 01:54.12 | jello | Haris: you may need to escape your wildcards from the shell |
| 01:54.25 | Wyzard | Haris: works for me (though I'm running sid, so I have a newer version of dpkg) |
| 01:54.26 | Haris | aha! |
| 01:54.47 | jello | iirc, wildcarding worked in sarge |
| 01:54.58 | SlackRat | has X finally settled down in sid? |
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| 01:55.28 | Haris | What do ii and un mean in output? |
| 01:55.42 | jello | Haris: the first two lines are a key |
| 01:55.48 | Haris | I see, dpkg takes wildcards in quotes like find |
| 01:56.18 | Wyzard | Haris: Actually, the quotes are for the shell, to prevent it from doing filename expansion |
| 01:56.24 | Wyzard | Haris: dpkg never sees the quote characters |
| 01:56.44 | Haris | 1/4 are installed |
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| 01:57.58 | kspath | Haris: | grep "^ii" | wc -l or | grep "^un" | wc -l |
| 01:58.04 | kspath | Haris: if you want counts |
| 01:58.15 | Haris | ii libcurl3 7.13.2-2sarge5 Multi-protocol file transfer library, now with SSL support! |
| 01:59.04 | kspath | Haris: ? |
| 01:59.11 | Haris | un libcurl2 <none> (no description available) |
| 01:59.11 | Haris | un libcurl3-gssap <none> (no description available) |
| 01:59.24 | Haris | there's one more for php4-cgi-curl with the un status |
| 01:59.28 | Haris | unknown not installed? |
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| 02:01.53 | Haris | http://sial.org/pbot/27856 |
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| 02:03.31 | kspath | Haris: dpkg -l '*' | egrep -v "^un|^ii" |
| 02:04.26 | Wyzard | Haris: Have you read the release notes for etch? |
| 02:04.45 | kspath | Haris: notice on the left there are 3 columns |
| 02:05.17 | Haris | Wyzard: Nope |
| 02:05.29 | Haris | kspath: Yep |
| 02:05.34 | Wyzard | Haris: Read the release notes before upgrading |
| 02:06.12 | Wyzard | Haris: The release notes are what tell you how to upgrade correctly and safely, and advise you of potential problems you may encounter |
| 02:06.30 | kspath | Haris: would be a good idea to make a backup of etc and any important data or /home dirs that are important as well |
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| 02:07.11 | kspath | I have not had problems with upgrades but it might happen to others |
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| 02:08.10 | Haris | That's an interesting prospect. |
| 02:08.16 | Haris | I could install sarge on my vmware VM |
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| 02:08.23 | Haris | and run a full scale aptitude upgrade session |
| 02:08.27 | Haris | just to see what goes |
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| 02:09.05 | Haris | What's the difference between aptitude upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade ? one updates packages the other, full distribution? |
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| 02:09.12 | Haris | by distribution I mean OS |
| 02:09.39 | jello | Haris: basically, upgrade will only install newer version of packages that are already on the system |
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| 02:09.54 | Haris | jello: Yes, I noted that in the man page |
| 02:09.56 | jello | Haris: dist-upgrade will add/remove packages as needed to make things work (new libs, etc) |
| 02:10.11 | Haris | I see |
| 02:10.39 | Wyzard | Haris: All those "held back" packages you saw are things whose new version depends on other packages that aren't currently installed |
| 02:10.41 | jello | so if foo version 1 depends on bar, but foo version 2 depends on baz |
| 02:10.54 | jello | upgrade will hold back foo |
| 02:11.04 | Wyzard | Haris: so a plain upgrade can't install the new version because the dependency isn't satisfied |
| 02:11.10 | jello | dist-upgrade will upgrade foo and install baz |
| 02:11.17 | Haris | Wyzard: Naturally |
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| 02:11.31 | xjkx | if i created a linux distro to where i work, am i forced to publish it? |
| 02:11.38 | Wyzard | xjkx: no |
| 02:12.06 | Haris | His Q didn't make sense |
| 02:12.16 | Wyzard | xjkx: The only thing the GPL requires is that if you *do* publish it, you publish the source code too |
| 02:12.17 | jello | Wyzard: it's very useful on a sid system |
| 02:12.18 | kspath | Wyzard: I always to an update;upgrade;dist-upgrade |
| 02:12.40 | enouf | well then, they also do differnet things if you alter sources.list in that equation at some point |
| 02:13.07 | Wyzard | xjkx: Distributing within your company might require distributing the source within the company, but nothing requires you to distribute anything to the public |
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| 02:14.05 | xerophyte | does anybody have debian installed on macbook pro ? |
| 02:14.13 | jello | yay lag... |
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| 02:16.39 | synx | Does anybody know which package has glslideshow in it? |
| 02:16.44 | synx | It's an xscreensaver thingy. |
| 02:16.54 | synx | ...which is listed as uninstalled. |
| 02:18.03 | Haris | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.dolphins.ch sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.dolphins.ch_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 02:19.58 | Haris | I changed stable to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:20.02 | Haris | and this is what I received |
| 02:20.22 | Haris | No package list on this mirror for sarge? |
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| 02:20.34 | Wyzard | Haris: and now apt is looking for the downloaded list of sarge packages, and not finding it because you didn't run apt-get update |
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| 02:23.03 | Haris | ah |
| 02:23.15 | synx | xscreensaver-gl |
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| 02:36.47 | user01 | of of curiousity, what happens if i connect via a modem and have an ethernet cable plugged in? will the speed be additive? like if im getting 89 Kb/s on ethernet and 21 Kb/s on modem, will my download speed become 110 Kb/s ? |
| 02:37.26 | user01 | or does it default to the ethernet? |
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| 02:42.44 | DeathGauge | does debian have a GUI FTP? |
| 02:42.59 | Ronin | DeathGauge: client or server |
| 02:43.25 | Ronin | client yes,many, server im sure there's X front ends to them |
| 02:43.30 | synx | user01: It will be two different interfaces. Some very few programs can operate over two interfaces, and there might be a way to load balance between them, but otherwise no not really. |
| 02:43.45 | DeathGauge | client ...not big on using ftp in terminal...I prefer a GUI |
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| 02:44.02 | Ronin | iirc gftp is one |
| 02:45.04 | DeathGauge | ok :) |
| 02:45.24 | Ronin | not a big ftp user myself |
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| 02:48.13 | DeathGauge | well I would host off my PC but my site will be requiring a lot of space in the future so I pay for a domain and space....using an external USB HD to hold my pages that I am creating |
| 02:48.56 | DeathGauge | I'm formatting it with linux though because I can't edit the pages due to the FS being NTFS so I'm keeping the ext hd attached to this pc |
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| 02:51.22 | DeathGauge | ok, dumb question, how do I format the ext USB HD? |
| 02:52.24 | S4nD3r | is there any video editor in etch or for linux? |
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| 02:53.10 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: same way you format any harddrive |
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| 02:53.42 | TopoOceanNes | S4nD3r: Kino |
| 02:53.52 | seanp2k | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop. <- this means i need kernel headers, right? |
| 02:54.06 | S4nD3r | I will try it |
| 02:54.11 | S4nD3r | thnks |
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| 02:55.38 | DeathGauge | dondelelcaro: the other linux distros I used had it so I opened the USB HD and clicked file format or rightclicked and picked format....Debian doesn't appear to have those options and last time i formatted in a terminal it made the mount point unusable because it formatted wrong |
| 02:56.05 | nathan_ | debian doesn't have 'clicking' |
| 02:56.19 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: you just open up a console, create the partitions on the device that you want, and mkfs appropriately. |
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| 02:56.49 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that Nautilus or some of the other file browsers have methods of formating partitions, but if that's what you want to know about, someone else will have to help you |
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| 02:57.22 | DeathGauge | nathan_: if you have to click a mouse button for something then all OSes have 'clicking' even debian :P |
| 02:58.00 | S4nD3r | is one that comes with linux |
| 02:58.07 | S4nD3r | but i dont remember the name |
| 02:58.29 | nathan_ | I wasn't aware of the new debian gui, can you send me the link for that |
| 02:58.44 | DocPlatypus | nathan_: GNOME, KDE, among others, not specific to Debian per se |
| 02:59.06 | nathan_ | debian makes gnome and kde?? |
| 02:59.11 | DeathGauge | dondelelcaro: thanks....just worried the format will glitch like my past attempts and make the mount point unusable |
| 02:59.25 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: formating has nothing to do with the mountpoint |
| 02:59.25 | seanp2k | nathan_, gnome and KDE are window managers |
| 02:59.31 | seanp2k | nathan_, you could use fluxbox if you want |
| 02:59.45 | nathan_ | so what you're saying is you don't click in debian but in other software |
| 02:59.45 | beardy | Linux is the kernel. |
| 03:00.12 | nathan_ | man that's news to me |
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| 03:00.12 | seanp2k | nathan_, likewise, you could run Gnome on top of slackware |
| 03:00.13 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: done improperly, you may be unable to *mount* the resultant filesystem, but you can hardly screw up a directory with mkfs |
| 03:00.13 | beardy | If you formated it wrong, then I'm afraid you just did it wrong, and have to redo until you do it right. |
| 03:00.13 | dondelelcaro | (well, screw up *just* a directory, anyway) |
| 03:00.26 | seanp2k | nathan_, a default install of debian etch will get you X11 with Gnome Desktop Manager |
| 03:00.40 | DeathGauge | that may be what happened all I know is all of a sudden the format finished and I couldn't mount it anymore heh |
| 03:00.54 | DeathGauge | nathan_: what version of Deb you have? o_O |
| 03:02.00 | Wyzard | DeathGauge: Well, what did you format it with? |
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| 03:02.10 | seanp2k | nathan_, I just did a fresh install of etch and if you go to applications -> system tools -> GParted, that is a nice graphical partition manager |
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| 03:03.12 | DeathGauge | my past attempts were with the distros GUI formatters but afterwards the distros wouldn't mount the formatted drive |
| 03:03.49 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: well, so it's time to learn how to use the real tools |
| 03:03.51 | Projectshifter | cfdisk is pretty easy to use |
| 03:03.55 | seanp2k | what did you format it as? |
| 03:04.03 | dondelelcaro | (and/or file bugs on whatever tools you were using to format it) |
| 03:04.04 | Projectshifter | I didn't even know there were gui formatters |
| 03:04.18 | dondelelcaro | there probably are by now... not that I understand the point of htem |
| 03:04.20 | infernal_jesus | cfdisk, or even fdisk are good enough |
| 03:04.24 | infernal_jesus | you don't need anything else :P |
| 03:04.26 | dondelelcaro | cfdisk and fdisk do not format |
| 03:04.35 | dondelelcaro | they are partitioners |
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| 03:04.47 | seanp2k | and did you mark them as bootable? did you mount them as root("/")? did you have a swap partition? |
| 03:04.56 | DeathGauge | well I want to become more profecent in doing things in terminal but the only things I've done in terminal are compile for things I've programmed with allegro |
| 03:05.10 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: they setup the partition structure, an installer easily formats them or any number of progs, i think his problem relates to the structure |
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| 03:05.49 | dondelelcaro | Projectshifter: he's talking about removeable USB devices; not installers |
| 03:06.01 | dondelelcaro | (but it's possible that we don't have enough information yet) |
| 03:06.13 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: didn't see him say anything about usb, lo siento |
| 03:06.21 | Projectshifter | and the car is in the driveway ;) |
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| 03:08.03 | DeathGauge | yeah I'm wanting to format my ext USB 80 gig HD, want to get rid of the pain in the @$$ MS NTFS since I can't do anything with it under Deb, but I've not formatted using terminal |
| 03:08.15 | Projectshifter | i just upgraded sarge to 2.6.11, getting a pivot_root and /sbin/init error followed by a kernel panic, any ideas why it might be halting? |
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| 03:08.38 | Projectshifter | it's a sata drive, tried hda and sda (my motherboard converts sda to hda it seems most of the time and both work) |
| 03:08.50 | Wyzard | Projectshifter: Why not upgrade to etch, which has 2.6.18? |
| 03:08.54 | dondelelcaro | Projectshifter: it's unable to mount your root harddrive |
| 03:09.03 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: so what you need to do is figure out what device it is (dmesg |less; or cat /proc/partitions should clue you in) and then mkfs.ext3 /dev/foo; |
| 03:09.04 | Projectshifter | Wyzard: need 2.6.11 for the linux-abi package to run unix binaries |
| 03:09.04 | Wyzard | Projectshifter: rather than installing an unsupported kernel on an outdated release of Debian |
| 03:09.07 | Projectshifter | it's for a server for a medical office |
| 03:09.19 | dondelelcaro | s/harddrive/partition/ |
| 03:09.22 | Wyzard | Projectshifter: 2.6.11 exactly? Newer versions aren't backward-compatible? |
| 03:09.24 | DeathGauge | /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:09.26 | Projectshifter | Wyzard: last update for linux-abi was 2.6.11, otherwise it's 2.4.27 or prior |
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| 03:09.37 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:09.37 | Projectshifter | Wyzard: the last update (it's a kernel patch) is 2.6.11 rc1 |
| 03:09.40 | Projectshifter | so i've got 2.6.11-1 |
| 03:09.43 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: if you're sure that it's /dev/sdc1, then as root mkfs.ext3 /dev/scd1; in a console. |
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| 03:09.49 | Wyzard | fun |
| 03:10.01 | dondelelcaro | DeathGauge: note that that will destroy anything on /dev/sdc1 |
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| 03:10.12 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: i know it's not reading the root drive, can't figure out why though. it gets partially booted and then halts saying pivot_root: No such file or directoy (which is the reason it also cannot open /dev/console and halts) |
| 03:10.23 | dondelelcaro | Projectshifter: yeah, that's the initrd doing that. |
| 03:10.30 | DeathGauge | that is fine already uploaded it to my site so I can just recopy after the format |
| 03:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Projectshifter: if you're building your own kernel, you shouldn't need an initrd. |
| 03:10.44 | Projectshifter | Wyzard: not my choice :P the software is actually written for sco, tried it but the network card loads, but won't even get a dhcp signal so trying to use deb instead since SCO is a POS |
| 03:11.24 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: howso? initird loads in a bunch of drivers and such you need upon boot. i can try to recompile w/o an initrd, did that originally and it didn't want to boot but different errors |
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| 03:11.40 | Projectshifter | every kernel i've compiled in the last 4 years seem to only work with an initrd |
| 03:11.45 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 03:11.46 | dondelelcaro | Projectshifter: if you're building your own kernel, you should just build in every module you need |
| 03:11.54 | dondelelcaro | (and those that you aren't sure about as modules) |
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| 03:12.10 | synx | initrd is a miniature self contained operating system. Its only function is to bootstrap your real operating system, found elsewhere. |
| 03:12.20 | Azar | reading on , the higher the kernel gets, the more insecure.. ? |
| 03:12.29 | SSL | how to generate a initrd for a system? |
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| 03:13.02 | Azar | that why perhaps I will die with 2.6.18 kernel on my box |
| 03:13.13 | Azar | wait, no, 2.6.8 I ment |
| 03:13.15 | Azar | :) |
| 03:13.57 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: I copied the config file from the 2.4 kernel that sarge comes with and made the oldconfig and updated the options |
| 03:13.59 | SSL | synx please what package i have to install on etch to generate an initrd |
| 03:14.11 | Projectshifter | initrd-tools iirc |
| 03:14.16 | Azar | mister Torvalds is totally conflicting with security developers |
| 03:14.19 | SSL | i tried don't work |
| 03:14.28 | SSL | can't find initrd-tools |
| 03:14.31 | dondelelcaro | Projectshifter: heh. they have totally different options, so that's not going to work very well. |
| 03:14.42 | synx | SSL: Maybe mkinitrd? I don't really deal with them, since my boot loader can load my kernel without help. |
| 03:14.42 | Projectshifter | make oldconfig usually works pretty well |
| 03:14.51 | Wyzard | Azar: What are you talking about? |
| 03:14.51 | seanp2k | i'm trying to build madWiFi and getting this: Makefile.inc:81: *** Cannot detect kernel version - please check compiler and KERNELPATH. Stop. |
| 03:14.56 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: i'll just start with a vanilla config then I guess? |
| 03:15.01 | dondelelcaro | SSL: yaird, initramfs-tools, etc. |
| 03:15.03 | SSL | synx ok nice |
| 03:15.06 | Azar | Wyzard: the latest Torvalds rants against security team |
| 03:15.11 | mikefoo | Ok I am trying to install ftp or ncftp, a ftp client, and apt-get install - tries to tie in webmin, and update webmin, and ties in blacula-directory-mysql, and they both error. How can I install the package, and forget about satisfing blacula and webmin? Anyone know? |
| 03:15.12 | Azar | Wyzard: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Pluggable_Security |
| 03:15.18 | SSL | dondelelcaro i will try thanks |
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| 03:16.32 | Wyzard | Azar: Linus has a valid point, but regardless, having pluggable security subsystems doesn't magically make Linux become less secure as time goes on |
| 03:17.25 | Azar | Wyzard: I just hope Linus is right... just hope |
| 03:17.29 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: just did a new config, should I make without initrd then? |
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| 03:18.15 | mikefoo | when I do a "apt-get install" it tries to update webmin everytime, how can I have apt-get ignore webmin completely and install what I need. |
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| 03:18.54 | Wyzard | Azar: The ideal solution would be to figure out which security system is best and merge it, but Linus's point is that the security field isn't mature enough yet that there's a provably-best solution for general use |
| 03:18.57 | Azar | Wyzard: :) <Linus: Hell f*cking NO!> heye |
| 03:19.38 | Guerin | mikefoo: uninstalling webmin would solve that. |
| 03:19.49 | Guerin | (and a whole shitload of other probalems) |
| 03:19.50 | Azar | Wyzard: the people who addressed this concerns are not script kiddies, are solid names.. I would guess they know what they say as much as Linus does |
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| 03:20.18 | mikefoo | yeah, Guerin, but I can't do that.. |
| 03:20.22 | Azar | I tend to be highly skeptical at listening to Linus's tantrums |
| 03:20.27 | null | Question: Sometimes when I run a program from the terminal with & at the end so that it backgrounds, it doesn't do anything, and the next time I press return it says Stopped {job}. Why is this? |
| 03:20.39 | Wyzard | Azar: I'm sure they do, and they're right that LSM is undesirable if it's only being used to host a single security system that everyone uses -- it'd be better to integrate that security system directly |
| 03:20.46 | dondelelcaro | Projectshifter: assuming you've built in whatever drivers you need to mount /, yes. |
| 03:20.48 | Projectshifter | null: the program exits, as in it isn't something that stays open |
| 03:21.04 | Wyzard | Azar: but we're not at a point where we have a single security system that everyone agrees is the best to use |
| 03:21.06 | Projectshifter | dondelelcaro: gracious, tried to add in the shit I needed, lets see how it goes, compiling |
| 03:21.08 | dondelelcaro | mikefoo: fix the webmin postinst scripts or whatever is running |
| 03:21.30 | null | Projectshifter: For example, vlc does it. The movie I tell it to open doesn't start playing. But if I run "vlc movie_file" without the ampersand, it works correctly and starts playing it. |
| 03:21.39 | Azar | Wyzard: I would like to rather see flexibility rather than rely on one fits all implementation |
| 03:21.53 | Projectshifter | null: does it open when you do &? |
| 03:22.08 | null | ps aux shows it, but it doesn't get drawn by X or anything. |
| 03:22.16 | Wyzard | Azar: That's what LSM provides, until such time as we come up with a single solution that really does "fit all" |
| 03:22.22 | Projectshifter | are you running as root or as a regular user? |
| 03:22.28 | null | regular user |
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| 03:23.03 | Projectshifter | when you run without setting it as a background process, does terminal remain locked or does it continue to let you type |
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| 03:23.27 | null | Let me double-check that. |
| 03:24.26 | nvz | null: run it with nohup then an & |
| 03:25.24 | null | It assigns a job # and id # to the task and then gives me prompt again |
| 03:25.24 | null | After I enter another command, that's when it tells me vlc/etc is stopped. |
| 03:25.26 | null | nvz: How do I run it with nohup? |
| 03:25.34 | nvz | null: nohup command & |
| 03:26.15 | null | nvz: Nohup didn't help. Same behavior. |
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| 03:26.50 | DeathGauge | I'm formating the HD now |
| 03:27.01 | nvz | null: apparently the program you are running cannot be backgrounded |
| 03:27.14 | nvz | null: try manually backgrounding it see what happens |
| 03:27.19 | null | I can manually background it just fine. |
| 03:27.28 | nvz | hmm |
| 03:27.35 | Supaplex | screen ftw |
| 03:27.36 | null | This happens with a lot of programs, not just vlc. |
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| 03:28.10 | infinity_ | whats the cheapest way to get the cpu load ? hmmm |
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| 03:28.22 | infinity_ | as a number |
| 03:28.39 | Supaplex | infinity_: run a free operating system, of course. |
| 03:28.39 | null | I use uptime. |
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| 03:29.02 | nvz | Supaplex: I think he wants to monitor cpu load without upping the load |
| 03:29.05 | Supaplex | cat /proc/loadavg is pretty cheap. |
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| 03:29.28 | infinity_ | Supaplex: sweet. thats what i wanted! |
| 03:29.35 | nvz | watch might be good too |
| 03:29.42 | Supaplex | infinity_: that'll be $79 |
| 03:29.45 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 03:29.46 | nvz | heh |
| 03:29.59 | infinity_ | Supaplex: i was looking at /proc/stat. but i wanted loadavg ;) |
| 03:30.07 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 03:30.16 | null | Speaking of load, my load has been at 6 all day but cpu usage is 2% and I'm not getting any lag/delays anywhere. |
| 03:30.23 | nvz | null: Idk the & should do the same thing as bg, are you using bash? |
| 03:30.38 | null | Yes |
| 03:30.49 | nvz | null: the nohup just lets you kill the controlling terminal without hanging up on the process started from it |
| 03:30.57 | neatotron | Question: when I try to boot I get "out of range" on my monitor and I'm told I might need to change my xorg.conf file. Does this sound right to anyone? |
| 03:30.58 | Supaplex | null: I've seen some weird cases of that with modules sometimes. like when a scsi device goes hiccup. |
| 03:31.05 | nvz | null: sounds to me like the process is hanging up on its own |
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| 03:31.38 | nvz | neatotron: how the hell should we know? heh.. you are the one seeing the error |
| 03:31.42 | null | Supaplex: How would I investigate it? |
| 03:31.42 | nvz | neatotron: is it right or not? |
| 03:31.45 | DeathGauge | heh formatted it but can't mount it now.....when I try it says to specify file system type |
| 03:31.47 | infinity_ | i'll use cat /proc/loadavg |cut -d" " -f1 |
| 03:31.54 | Supaplex | neatotron: you need to research your monitor specs and edit HorizSync + VertRefresh rates accordingly |
| 03:32.05 | nvz | neatotron: monitorworld.com |
| 03:32.16 | null | nathan_: Check your horiz/vertical sync lines. |
| 03:32.28 | neatotron | thanks null |
| 03:32.41 | nvz | neatotron: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choose advanced configuration for monitor and enter the sync ranges manually |
| 03:32.42 | Wyzard | neatotron: How old is the monitor? |
| 03:32.54 | neatotron | it's not too old and it's lcd |
| 03:32.58 | neatotron | I have the specs up |
| 03:32.59 | nvz | or if its fairly new, you can auto detect |
| 03:33.04 | Supaplex | null: I've had poor luck sometimes. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428028 was one cause last time. how many pids are in the D (disk i/o) state? |
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| 03:33.18 | Wyzard | neatotron: then specifying sync rates shouldn't be necessary... xorg can query them from the monitor directly |
| 03:33.26 | Wyzard | neatotron: It's only old monitors that don't support that |
| 03:33.31 | null | Supaplex: How would I find that out? |
| 03:33.44 | Supaplex | null: top |
| 03:33.49 | nvz | or ps |
| 03:33.58 | Wyzard | neatotron: It should be doing that already, though, automatically, so it's weird if you're seeing an "out of range" message |
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| 03:34.13 | Wyzard | neatotron: btw, you should use DVI rather than VGA if it's available |
| 03:34.39 | neatotron | Wyzard: hrm okay. I don't have dvi available. It's an older lcd |
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| 03:34.49 | null | Supaplex: There's 4 hald-addon-storage polling non-existant scsi devices. |
| 03:35.11 | Supaplex | null: pulled usb keys? |
| 03:35.58 | null | Supaplex: MAYBE. 90% no. My USB key is sdb and this is polling sdc, sdd, sde, sdf |
| 03:37.56 | nvz | neatotron: is the out of range message comming from the monitor or from xorg? |
| 03:38.32 | null | Question: Can someone recommend a CLI Direct Connect client? |
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| 03:39.11 | nvz | Wyzard: what I am thinking is the range message is from the LCD itself and xorg doesnt detect any errors.. this could be because he's chosen a resolution the monitor cant handle but given the sync ranges xorg computed a modeline it considers vaild |
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| 03:39.29 | nvz | Wyzard: still suggests the pnp is not working properly |
| 03:40.17 | nvz | null: as in DC+ or whatever its called? |
| 03:40.20 | Wyzard | nvz: yeah, that's what I figured... I'm just surprised, since most monitors these days support autodetection of supported sync ranges |
| 03:40.21 | null | nyz: yes |
| 03:40.26 | null | nvz: yes |
| 03:40.47 | nvz | null: dctc is what comes up when I search my cache |
| 03:40.51 | nvz | !info dctc |
| 03:41.11 | dpkg | dctc: (Direct Connect Text Client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.85.9-4 (sid), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 696 kB |
| 03:41.44 | null | Merci. |
| 03:41.52 | DeathGauge | wtf? can't mount my USB HD now after the format and when I installed libx11-dev it didn't install the include directory |
| 03:42.05 | nvz | Wyzard: well it could have detected the sync ranges but somehow he still selected an incompatible resolution I suppos |
| 03:42.21 | Wyzard | nvz: xorg ignores modes that are out of range |
| 03:42.37 | neatotron | nvz: i think I probably selected a resolution that was too high. |
| 03:43.07 | Wyzard | neatotron: X would just fail to start if it knew your monitor couldn't support the selected mode |
| 03:43.26 | Wyzard | neatotron: so the problem does seem to be that xorg doesn't have the right idea of what frequencies your monitor supports |
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| 03:43.31 | nvz | Wyzard: yes but if I give it foo-bar range and foobar resolution and it can calculate a matching modeline it doesnt know the LCD has a fixed resolution that doesnt match foobar as long as range foo-bar is right xorg doesn't know the difference |
| 03:44.34 | nvz | Wyzard: a modeline is calculated given a horizontal sync, vertical refresh, resoluion, and a color depth.. so he could have the right ranges and the wrong resolution |
| 03:44.35 | Wyzard | nvz: Every PC LCD monitor I've ever seen has a built-in scaler and can support input at a variety of resolutions |
| 03:44.38 | cartesian1984 | What package do I install to make sox play flac? I searched the repositories but I don't see anything. |
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| 03:44.53 | zinx | nvz: it isn't calculated using the color depth :P |
| 03:45.13 | nvz | zinx: well yeah color depth has little to do with it other than available memory |
| 03:45.13 | neatotron | nvz: I'm attempting to reconfigure as you suggested earlier and it seems like it's autodetecting my monitor |
| 03:45.19 | sf7 | what are my my chances of getting viavoice (for XP) working in Debian? |
| 03:45.30 | zinx | sf7: slim to none |
| 03:45.37 | infinity_ | pidstat rulez! |
| 03:45.39 | infinity_ | :) |
| 03:45.44 | Wyzard | nvz: I *think* current monitors actually provide the equivalent of entire modelines, btw, not just horiz/vert ranges |
| 03:45.54 | sf7 | :) |
| 03:45.55 | zinx | Wyzard: they do |
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| 03:46.10 | nvz | Wyzard: I see. I am ignorant to automagic stuff |
| 03:46.14 | zinx | but many monitors have incorrect EDID information |
| 03:46.18 | zinx | especially the cheaper ones |
| 03:46.27 | Wyzard | yeah, that's a possibility too |
| 03:46.59 | nvz | thats the one thing I hate about having switched to an LCD is not being able to do the zoom in by changing resolutions anymore |
| 03:47.15 | zinx | nvz: you can still do that |
| 03:47.21 | zinx | nvz: it will just look like crap usually :P |
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| 03:47.24 | Wyzard | though the only incorrect EDID that I've personally seen was a CRT that said its upper limit on hsync was 15Hz rather than 150Hz :-) |
| 03:47.51 | Wyzard | oops, vsync, not hsync... but you get the idea |
| 03:47.57 | nvz | zinx: na seems my resolution is like 1024x578 or something thereabout and I can't change modes anymore |
| 03:48.19 | zinx | nvz: if you start X with -logverbose 10, it will tell you why. |
| 03:48.59 | nvz | though xdpyinfo says I am at 1280x1024 |
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| 03:49.14 | nvz | resizing windows seems to show it only being like 1024x578 |
| 03:49.20 | zinx | Wyzard: i have a somewhat more complex setup involving multiple monitors with different resolutions :/ |
| 03:49.59 | zinx | nvz: the size when resizing windows is application specific in X11 |
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| 03:50.15 | zinx | nvz: terminals generally give characters, i think GTK+ gives offset from the minimum size of the window |
| 03:50.21 | nvz | ok it _is_ 1280x1024 I just tried with something else |
| 03:50.54 | nvz | but I used to be able to zoom in to a virtual desktop of like 800x600 or 640x480 with my CRT |
| 03:51.08 | zinx | and you can still do that. |
| 03:51.10 | nvz | to "cheat" when watching videos or viewing small images |
| 03:51.13 | zinx | if you set it up correctly |
| 03:51.19 | nvz | so I wouldn't have to scale them that much |
| 03:51.22 | zinx | it just won't look very good |
| 03:51.43 | nvz | hmm I just figured the LCD had a fixed resolution |
| 03:51.52 | neatotron | Success. thanks guys. |
| 03:52.17 | neatotron | I put the resolution and refresh rates in, who knows which fixed it. |
| 03:53.03 | nvz | Dell Flat Screen E172FPt is what I got |
| 03:53.14 | zinx | nvz: they do, but they can scale to that fixed resolution. |
| 03:53.16 | nvz | I am about to sell it though I think |
| 03:53.43 | zinx | nvz: i.e., they can receive a low res signal from the computer and scale it up in the monitor's hardware, real-time, to the native resolution |
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| 03:54.07 | zinx | nvz: i wouldn't buy a modern CRT tbh, they are all crappy shadow mask monitors |
| 03:54.14 | nvz | I'd hate to cause I like having it, but I figure if I slowly sell off all the shit to my pc to my customers I will have to buy new stuff |
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| 03:54.47 | nvz | I sold my DVD+RW to this guy I am building a PC for right now.. I am probably gonna sell him this LCD too |
| 03:55.01 | nvz | I told him $150 but I might go as low as $100 |
| 03:55.06 | dalias | hah great way to rip someone off |
| 03:55.19 | nvz | how's that ripping them off? |
| 03:55.22 | dalias | those things (dvd-rw) last about 6mo to 1yr before dying |
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| 03:55.40 | nvz | dalias: this one is like 3 years old.. I only used it maybe twice.. had it sitting in a box |
| 03:55.46 | dalias | i swear they must have timebombs in them |
| 03:56.05 | dalias | mine always gradually start having more and more weird behaviors |
| 03:56.12 | simonrvn | no, "modern" manufacturing processes == planned obsolescence |
| 03:56.15 | dalias | and they're not explainable by mechanical failure |
| 03:56.20 | nvz | dalias: the parts I am selling him I told him would take off my cost for building the new computer.. that way he gets what he wants and don't have to pay me $150 for finding him cheap parts and building it |
| 03:56.26 | dalias | it's like the firmware randomly overwrites bits of itself |
| 03:56.30 | dalias | until it no longer works |
| 03:57.06 | nvz | I've been setting people up with AMD Sempron 64 systems with nVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 400 boards |
| 03:57.11 | nvz | nice little setup.. real cheap |
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| 03:58.06 | nvz | the one I just bought with case, 490w PS, mobo w/ realtek nic & 8 channel sound, Geforce 6100 video, and 3400+ cpu was only $110 with shipping across the country |
| 03:58.09 | simonrvn | high power laser used with crappy parts, results in short life |
| 03:58.25 | nvz | the one I built a couple months ago was $190 |
| 03:58.39 | nvz | nice linux compatible box IMO |
| 03:58.45 | simonrvn | wow |
| 03:59.01 | simonrvn | got an in to wholesale or something? :P |
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| 03:59.09 | nvz | simonrvn: pricewatch.com |
| 03:59.11 | dalias | simonrvn, i said not explicable by hardware failure |
| 03:59.34 | dalias | like my drive decided to start giving nonsensical fatal errors on dao mode |
| 03:59.39 | nvz | simonrvn: I use it for just about everything.. pricing parts I sell, and buying wholesale parts |
| 03:59.40 | dalias | but works in tao mode |
| 04:00.00 | dalias | that _must_ be a firmware issue |
| 04:00.00 | dalias | and if the firmware worked before but not now... |
| 04:00.10 | dalias | what did it do? what possible explanation is there other than timebomb |
| 04:00.28 | dalias | and this isn't the first optical drive i've had timebomb itself |
| 04:00.33 | nvz | I try to find local dealers but the last two nVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 400 machines I ordered came from California.. but it was the cheapest by far for a machine I could gaurentee would run Debian flawlessly |
| 04:00.35 | simonrvn | take the firmware apart and find out |
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| 04:00.59 | dalias | imagine what a huge class action suit that would be, if optical drive vendors really were timebombing them... |
| 04:01.01 | simonrvn | nvz: nice |
| 04:01.23 | simonrvn | wouldn't be the first time a geek did such a thing |
| 04:01.23 | dalias | unfortunately the amount the person who researched it would get would probably be tiny |
| 04:01.29 | simonrvn | dalias: ^^^ |
| 04:01.35 | dalias | :( |
| 04:01.49 | nvz | simonrvn: I figure if I got this guy's now for $110 and the last one I built less than 2 months ago was $190, by time I get around to building myself one I can get it for like $70 or something |
| 04:02.10 | niru | hi I have a sony PCG-4LBP laptop |
| 04:02.13 | niru | of 11.1'' |
| 04:02.14 | simonrvn | hehe yeh |
| 04:02.18 | niru | resoltuion 1366x768 |
| 04:02.33 | niru | But it does not work with projector*(Sanyo) |
| 04:02.47 | nvz | simonrvn: the Sempron64 3400+ Geforce 6100 system won't be a huge step ahead from the AthlonXP 1700+ S3 ProSuckage I got now, but its plenty enough to carry me on into the next decade |
| 04:02.49 | niru | The same projector works fine with other IBM laptops |
| 04:03.43 | simonrvn | niru: start by putting everything in one sentence and explaining clearly what's going on |
| 04:03.49 | nvz | simonrvn: just getting away from the prosuckage, having DDR2 667mhz ram instead of PC133 ram, and having an actual case with side panels would be a huge improvement |
| 04:04.22 | niru | simonrvn, I have a sony PCG-4LBP 11.1'' 1366x768 laptop that does not work with projector |
| 04:04.52 | simonrvn | nvz: i'm using a p3/500, which is really a 666 but the mobo is too old to see anything faster, or the extra 128 MB on one of the ram sticks |
| 04:05.01 | nvz | simonrvn: I'm sure you've heard my philosophy about why I have had this piece of shit for like 5 years.. I don't want to spend money on pc parts for myself when all I use it for is to sit in IRC and to lookup prices on parts.. I could practically do that with a dumb terminal.. heh |
| 04:05.03 | simonrvn | !tell niru -about ask |
| 04:05.09 | simonrvn | !tell niru -about smart questions |
| 04:05.25 | simonrvn | nvz: you could, yeh |
| 04:05.32 | niru | simonrvn, but do you know the answer |
| 04:05.36 | nvz | simonrvn: but my way around this problem now is to sell my parts with machines I repair/build to people cheap then when I got nothing, that gives me an excuse to buy something new |
| 04:06.03 | simonrvn | niru: missing info, like what you've done |
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| 04:06.25 | niru | simonrvn, I did not do anything |
| 04:06.32 | niru | simonrvn, just installed the os |
| 04:06.39 | Projectshifter | "FATAL: Module sd_mod not found." on boot, sounds like a SATA problem perhaps? |
| 04:06.43 | niru | simonrvn, And trying to check with projector |
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| 04:07.00 | simonrvn | niru: we''re not mind readers |
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| 04:07.12 | nvz | problem is the parts I will have left after building this guy a new PC and giving him my LCD and my DVD+RW, aren't interchangable with any modern PC.. so I guess what I need to do is get a new case for this box and sell it as-is to someone who needs a low-end system |
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| 04:08.01 | nvz | I might talk this guy I am building a pc for now, into buying it for like $100 if he wants the HD with it.. for his kids.. cause he needs a beater machine for them or they'll ruin his new one :P |
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| 04:12.20 | nvz | I think my old AthlonXP 1700+ S3 Prosuckage/VIA 82cxxxx system w/ 512mb PC133 and 120GB hd is worth $100 especially if I put it into a new case.. cause this one is really only like half a case |
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| 04:13.50 | nvz | though if I have to get a new case I'd want to charge like $130 or $140.. I'd like to get $100 out of it with the HD, and I doubt anyone would buy it looking the way it does right now :P |
| 04:14.03 | nvz | and a case and PS will probably run me about $40 |
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| 04:17.29 | colera | so I installed etch. After i got it installed i notices that totem has a movie player in ice weasel, but it doesn't play wmv. where do i get the codecs for that? |
| 04:18.20 | nvz | !w32codecs |
| 04:18.20 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 04:18.25 | nvz | !debian-multimedia |
| 04:18.26 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 04:19.14 | nvz | in other news I think rolaids may be my new antiacid of choice |
| 04:19.45 | nvz | the life-save like package is highly portable and the flavor beats any other brand I've ever tried |
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| 04:19.51 | nvz | erm lifesaver |
| 04:20.09 | nvz | though the flavor is hardly what I buy em for |
| 04:20.17 | colera | nvz: do they taste anthing like lifesavers? |
| 04:20.23 | colera | i mean even remotely? |
| 04:20.25 | nvz | the ones I got are cherry |
| 04:20.33 | nvz | I don't really suck on them just chew em up |
| 04:21.04 | colera | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 04:21.04 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 04:21.13 | nvz | I like Jolly Ranchers when it comes to hard candy |
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| 04:21.21 | nvz | not the square ones though.. cause thats just wrong |
| 04:21.35 | nvz | I like the little individually wrapped rectangular ones |
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| 04:24.03 | simonrvn | nvz: sounds like you're doing ok with that |
| 04:24.10 | nvz | simonrvn: with what? |
| 04:24.21 | simonrvn | your gear and such |
| 04:24.24 | nvz | ah |
| 04:24.36 | nvz | yeah if I actually spend the money on new stuff is a whole different issue |
| 04:24.44 | colera | nvz: what is this public key buisness? do i need a key to use the repository? |
| 04:24.48 | D4N` | I'll think about it |
| 04:24.53 | nvz | colera: no you dont _need_ it |
| 04:25.12 | nvz | colera: apt supports signed repos since 0.6 |
| 04:25.43 | nvz | colera: its just another way to ensure that the packages you are fetching are from a valid repo |
| 04:26.01 | colera | GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 04:26.07 | colera | so is that a problem? |
| 04:26.22 | colera | how do i disable requiring the key? |
| 04:26.25 | nvz | colera: since the packages already had hashes to determine if they've been tampered with its only logical that the repos be signed so you know if someone tries to spoof your repository with packages with new hashes |
| 04:26.46 | nvz | colera: normally it will just ask you to install unsigned packages |
| 04:26.59 | nvz | colera: however maybe that repo does require a key |
| 04:27.23 | nvz | colera: does it give you the option to continue? |
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| 04:27.59 | colera | well that is just when i run apt-get update |
| 04:28.02 | Projectshifter | "FATAL: Module sd_mod not found." on boot, sounds like a SATA problem perhaps? |
| 04:28.14 | nvz | colera: ah. well thats fine |
| 04:28.32 | nvz | colera: you should be able to fetch the debian-multimedia-keyring package from that repo which will setup the key for you |
| 04:28.41 | nvz | colera: you will have to apt-get update again after you install it though |
| 04:28.48 | colera | yeah it worked |
| 04:28.53 | colera | i am running update again |
| 04:28.58 | colera | nvz: thx |
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| 04:29.16 | nvz | !thx |
| 04:29.16 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 04:29.39 | colera | now that i have the keyring how do i get the codecs? |
| 04:29.47 | nvz | colera: apt-get install w32codecs |
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| 04:30.07 | nvz | I didn't know totem had an IW plugin |
| 04:30.09 | colera | oh yeah good |
| 04:30.16 | nvz | I use the mplayer plugin |
| 04:30.22 | colera | i had forgotten where we had started |
| 04:30.42 | nvz | colera: yeah attention span isn't too popular around here |
| 04:31.02 | nvz | we just ramble from one subject to the next without any sort of transitional material |
| 04:31.35 | nvz | Projectshifter: its the SCSI Disk support module |
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| 04:31.58 | nvz | Projectshifter: commonly used for SATA, USB Mass Storage, or SCSI block devices |
| 04:31.59 | Projectshifter | my drive is sata, would disabling it hurt anything? |
| 04:32.05 | Projectshifter | so that's a yes |
| 04:32.25 | nvz | Projectshifter: what kernel are you using... is it one you made? |
| 04:32.29 | Projectshifter | any idea as to why it might be doing that? i tried not to use initrd but got a shitton of errors |
| 04:32.33 | Projectshifter | yeah, 2.6.11 (have to have it for this software) |
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| 04:32.54 | Projectshifter | when i install the kernel with dpkg it gives that error, adn on boot gives that error |
| 04:33.12 | nvz | Projectshifter: well seems you left out support for sd_mod or otherwise compiled it in.. |
| 04:33.19 | colera | i guess those codecs don't work with totem |
| 04:33.21 | nvz | Projectshifter: if you compiled it in its fine |
| 04:33.22 | colera | bummer |
| 04:33.33 | Projectshifter | I compiled it in rather than as a module |
| 04:33.36 | Guerin | mostly because totem is teh suck |
| 04:34.03 | Guerin | in principle gstreamer will one day be not complete shit, then it might be worth using |
| 04:34.13 | Guerin | that day had not come last I tried it |
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| 04:34.29 | Guerin | good thing we still have mplayer |
| 04:34.55 | nvz | Projectshifter: the option is CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD in /boot/config-$(uname -r) if its set to 'y' or 'm' you are fine.. if its not set or set to 'n' you need to recompile |
| 04:35.05 | maxedout | i love the debian channel... its nice & peaceful |
| 04:35.11 | nvz | Projectshifter: if its set to 'm' and you're getting that error then you got another problem altogether |
| 04:35.20 | colera | well i'm not sure how to swap totem for the mplayer plugin in firefox |
| 04:35.32 | colera | otherwise i would use it |
| 04:35.45 | Guerin | colera: aptitude search mplayer |grep plug (it might be in debian-multimedia.org) |
| 04:35.50 | cafuego | Miti Rini! |
| 04:35.59 | nvz | Guerin: gstreamer feels like a low-viscosity shit running down your leg after an attempt to flatulate |
| 04:36.00 | Guerin | but browser media plugins are hateful anyhow |
| 04:36.08 | Guerin | nvz: that's graphic |
| 04:36.11 | nvz | heh |
| 04:36.37 | colera | Guerin: i can find the plugin but how will i tell totem to stop being the multimedia plug in Firefox |
| 04:36.44 | Guerin | cafuego: argh, the hatedness. I'm trying to massage all that evil data into shape for my paper. |
| 04:36.56 | Guerin | colera: purge it |
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| 04:37.52 | nvz | Projectshifter: if you explain your underlying problem better as to why you are compiling kernels to begin with we may be able to provide you with a better solution than using a poorly hand-rolled kernel |
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| 04:38.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:38.40 | Projectshifter | nvz: I need linux-abi (it lets you run unix programs on linux), but the latest kernel patch is for 2.6.11, otherwise i've got to keep it at like 2.4.27 or another 2.4 earlier than that |
| 04:38.56 | Guerin | cafuego: are you still using it as your ringtone? |
| 04:39.09 | cafuego | Nah, I have an IT Crowd ringtone now. |
| 04:39.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:39.26 | Guerin | IT crowd was a bit too geek for me |
| 04:39.38 | cafuego | The intro music, no dialog. |
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| 04:41.53 | nvz | Projectshifter: are you familiar with the debian kernel-package proceedure? |
| 04:42.45 | Projectshifter | nvz: for the most part, it's been a few years since I did debian but setting up the kernel config and then i've been doing make-kppkg --initrd kernel_image and then using dpkg to install it |
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| 04:45.00 | nvz | Projectshifter: from what I gather on the website you can use this as modules.. i.e. use a debian kernel and just install teh headers and compile the ABI Modules separateyl |
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| 04:45.34 | nvz | Projectshifter: but if you are gonna compile a whole new kernel, you need to make sure you include everything you need.. use the oldconfig from your debian kernel |
| 04:46.02 | Projectshifter | nvz: where are you looking at? http://linux-abi.sourceforge.net/ is where I see, and the only thing I can find is kernel patches? |
| 04:46.32 | nvz | Projectshifter: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=8688&group_id=13130 |
| 04:47.00 | predder` | I have a sarge box here that, whenever I do an lvm operation I get "/dev/sda5: open failed: No such device or address". The partition sda5 does not exist and I have put filtering rules in to exclude that device but the message persists. Any ideas? |
| 04:47.21 | nvz | Projectshifter: I am just glancing though and you probably do need to patch parts of the kernel for that to work *shrug* |
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| 04:47.58 | nvz | Projectshifter: but the issue here seems to be you don't understand your kernel well enough to know what you need to include.. so you need to use a working kernel as a reference when you compile |
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| 04:48.36 | nvz | Projectshifter: using a debian config will work, if you are gonna fine-tune it you need to reference the dmesg.log of a debian kernel to see what is being used |
| 04:48.38 | stiv2k | help, upgrading to xorg 7.3 messed up my X... i cant get the USB mouse and touchpad to work at the same time and the caps/num/scroll lock LEDs on my keyboard dont illuminate anymore |
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| 04:49.18 | Projectshifter | nvz: I originally took the 2.4.27 config that it has and used make oldconfig and just added the patch but it didn't work |
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| 04:49.32 | nvz | Projectshifter: no, you can't take a 2.4 config and use it on 2.6 |
| 04:49.51 | nvz | Projectshifter: kernel developers like to completly change names and conventions frequently |
| 04:49.54 | Projectshifter | ah, that could be part of the problem then. wasn't aware of that |
| 04:50.37 | Projectshifter | nvz: what would you recommend then? i have to get abi to work, really don't care what kernel or how it works, as long as it works. it just has to run this one program that's compiled for sco, and i'm happy |
| 04:50.43 | nvz | Projectshifter: the development model completly changed in 2.6 |
| 04:50.47 | Projectshifter | shitty |
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| 04:51.13 | Projectshifter | nvz: what if I reinstall sarge with the 2.6 kernel and then try to make oldconfig from that? thoughts? |
| 04:51.17 | nvz | Projectshifter: I'd install a debian stable 2.6 kernel and use that config to build with to be one the safe side |
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| 04:52.13 | nvz | Projectshifter: well _I_ would just build it right.. but I run make-kpkg --config=menuconfig...etc in screen along with lcpci, dmesg, lsmod..etc running in other screens and cross-reference them as I step through every single option in menu config |
| 04:52.27 | nvz | but I am just very particular about how I build my kernels |
| 04:52.48 | nvz | if you don't have that kind of time, the debian configs are designed to use initrd and be as versatile as possible |
| 04:53.07 | Projectshifter | nvz: if I cared about this system I'd take the time and build a proper kernel the way I need it, but I don't have the time and it's replacing a p2 400mhz which ran it fairly quickly, so i could care less in all seriousness |
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| 04:54.21 | nvz | Projectshifter: what is the CPU on this system? |
| 04:54.28 | Projectshifter | P4 3.2Ghz, 1gb ram |
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| 04:54.54 | nvz | Projectshifter: ah, I just noticed on the website the patch said it only works with the i386 arch.. i.e. no 64 bit |
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| 04:55.06 | nvz | from what I gathered |
| 04:55.14 | Projectshifter | nvz: i made sure I got a 32bit processor :) |
| 04:55.23 | Projectshifter | it's the highest end 32bit i could find |
| 04:55.53 | nvz | I just make sure I don't pay for it.. I don't really care about much else :P |
| 04:56.05 | nvz | this box is a hand-me-down |
| 04:56.08 | Projectshifter | nvz: processor was like $50 |
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| 04:56.32 | nvz | I could complain but when it comes to getting what you paid for.. I got more than my moneys worth |
| 04:56.41 | Projectshifter | lol fair enough |
| 04:56.42 | nvz | cause I didn't pay anything |
| 04:56.52 | cartesian1984 | Projectshifter: why 32? |
| 04:56.54 | Projectshifter | i'm upgradin to a 2.6.8 kernel and going to upgrade to 2.6.11 from now |
| 04:57.05 | Projectshifter | cartesian1984: software I have to use isn't compatible with 64bit |
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| 04:57.17 | cartesian1984 | Projectshifter: oh, okay. Which software? |
| 04:57.24 | nvz | cartesian1984: trying to run SCO Binaries with Linux ABI |
| 04:57.35 | cartesian1984 | nvz: ouch. |
| 04:57.41 | cartesian1984 | nvz: sounds like a bitch. |
| 04:57.44 | Projectshifter | some really old medical billing software, not my choice at all. tried to run it on SCO but it's the devil's OS |
| 04:57.45 | nvz | cartesian1984: linux-abi is only tested with IA32 |
| 04:57.51 | nvz | cartesian1984: tell me about it |
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| 04:58.01 | Coweater | why would X be ignoring my DisplaySize line? |
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| 04:58.11 | cartesian1984 | Why on earth was it developed for SCO and not Linux? |
| 04:58.35 | Projectshifter | cartesian1984: fuck if I know, there was a linux version but the asshole who set the system up 10+ years ago used the sco version, but ran it on a modified redhat with ibcs |
| 04:58.51 | Projectshifter | hmm, if I have 2.6.18 can I downgrade the config to 2.6.11 ? |
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| 04:59.15 | nvz | Projectshifter: I hope you're being well paid.. I'd quit if they made me run SCO Software |
| 04:59.30 | Projectshifter | nvz: I'll end up billing about $2k for this |
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| 04:59.46 | Projectshifter | this is going into week 5 of fucking with it |
| 04:59.52 | nvz | heh |
| 05:00.03 | nvz | sounds like $2k isnt enough then |
| 05:00.11 | nvz | sounded good if it was like day 5 |
| 05:00.14 | Projectshifter | haha, i haven't finalized a number yet |
| 05:00.34 | Projectshifter | either way, i've got to get this out of my fucking hair, I can't sit on it any longer, it's eating into my personal time like nobody's business |
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| 05:00.46 | cartesian1984 | Demand like $5k. Nobody's heard of SCO, you get to charge for niche services ;) |
| 05:00.59 | nvz | I can made about $2k a month (4 weeks) doing roofing as a junior roofer at like $8/hr |
| 05:01.08 | nvz | cartesian1984: I agree |
| 05:01.18 | Projectshifter | nvz: true, but I do a lot more during the day. SCO is a bitch |
| 05:01.26 | Projectshifter | I've been calling them for 3 days and no one answers the damn phone |
| 05:01.50 | Projectshifter | got it all working FINALLY after dropping $70 on an intel net card, and the POS wouldn't get an IP, everything worked, except the dhcp |
| 05:02.10 | nvz | cartesian1984: you have to consider how screwed your clients are when writing invoices.. and using ancient SCO billing software sounds pretty screwed let alone it being in the medical field. |
| 05:02.33 | Projectshifter | nvz: it's a bunch of old physicians |
| 05:02.50 | nvz | Projectshifter: right, well you know they are making bank, and you know they need their shit to work |
| 05:03.08 | nvz | Projectshifter: so what are they gonna do other than pay you whatever you want for making the shit work |
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| 05:03.17 | Projectshifter | nvz: very true. the daughter of one of the physicians is the one i've been dealing with, she does all the billing, i found out today that if i don't get this going, she's out of a job |
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| 05:04.09 | nvz | Projectshifter: if she's not sleeping with you, don't worry about it.. worry about covering your own ass.. if this is dragging on too long you gotta count your losses.. if not I'd focus on getting it done ASAP and charging out the ass for it |
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| 05:04.47 | Projectshifter | nvz: working my ass off to finish it, i've been pulling my hair out since it's been one problem and another over and over again. |
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| 05:05.20 | Projectshifter | I have 2.6.18 on there, but the POS won't even boot, and installed from aptitude, how gay |
| 05:05.37 | nvz | !gay |
| 05:05.37 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 05:05.47 | Projectshifter | lol |
| 05:06.06 | Guerin | what's gay about that? |
| 05:06.22 | Guerin | i can't see how you'd be happy if a kernel failed to boot |
| 05:06.25 | evilgeek | how does one build a debian package that jams something into /usr/bin and something into /etc? |
| 05:06.31 | nvz | heh |
| 05:06.54 | evilgeek | there's a huge guide about how to build a debian package for something from a source tarball, and it warns that you need to do something else if it's not from a source tarball. |
| 05:06.55 | Guerin | evilgeek: one uses debhelper, or if one is feeling particularly slack, one uses checkinstall |
| 05:07.34 | nvz | this is why I never applied to be a DD.. too lazy to read the new maint guide |
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| 05:07.42 | nvz | cause I sure as hell have the time |
| 05:08.05 | Projectshifter | nvz: DD? |
| 05:08.11 | evilgeek | debhelper is the 1000 or so dh_* scripts? |
| 05:08.15 | cartesian1984 | Debian Developer. |
| 05:08.21 | cartesian1984 | I think? |
| 05:08.21 | nvz | Projectshifter: Debian Developer, or Package maintainer |
| 05:08.21 | Projectshifter | gotcha |
| 05:08.34 | simonrvn | !dd |
| 05:08.34 | dpkg | from memory, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 05:09.07 | nvz | one of these days I will stop ranting on about sawfish and be able to bring it back from the dead and maybe maintain it for debian |
| 05:09.40 | evilgeek | nvz: see, i want to package one package for local (six or seven machines) use. |
| 05:09.50 | evilgeek | nvz: rather than learn how to build a debian package for sed from source. |
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| 05:09.54 | nvz | I already met several people that work for major distros like redhat that I could push sawfish back into the mainstream with their influence if I were to bring it up to speed with the Open Desktop Standard or whatever the hell its called |
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| 05:10.14 | Projectshifter | if I had more time I'd try to get involved but clients consume too much time these days =( |
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| 05:10.21 | Projectshifter | sawfish is a desktop manager if memory servers? |
| 05:10.22 | evilgeek | nvz: make sawfish bloated and then it can be part of redhat? |
| 05:10.23 | Guerin | evilgeek: i hesitate to ask why the debian sed isn't good enough for you |
| 05:10.27 | dalias | sawfish is already the perfect wm. what does it need? |
| 05:10.30 | Projectshifter | lol @ evilgeek |
| 05:10.40 | dalias | haahhaha evilgeek :) |
| 05:10.40 | nvz | Projectshifter: window manager, actually.. programmed in a rare lisp dialect known as librep |
| 05:10.44 | evilgeek | Guerin: it's perfectly fine for me. read again --- i *don't* want to package sed. |
| 05:10.52 | Guerin | oh. |
| 05:11.08 | evilgeek | Guerin: i want to package Digital Mars D, actually. and this seems to be something nobody's done yet, for licence reasons. |
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| 05:11.08 | Guerin | so ... what package? |
| 05:11.09 | nvz | dalias: needs maintained.. specifically to bring it up to speed with modern standards, which is why it got ditched by gnome |
| 05:11.17 | Guerin | evilgeek: do you have a source tree? |
| 05:11.22 | dalias | nvz, what is it missing? |
| 05:11.26 | evilgeek | it's closed-source. |
| 05:11.28 | dalias | i don't see anything important |
| 05:11.41 | nvz | dalias: EMWH for one thing, Proper theme support for another.. |
| 05:11.42 | evilgeek | there are about three or four files that matter. all i want is a debian package that puts those in the right places. |
| 05:11.50 | cartesian1984 | evilgeek: it's closed source? That sucks. Do they have specs in the open? Because it looks really cool. |
| 05:11.50 | Guerin | evilgeek: do you have a tar archive? |
| 05:11.55 | dalias | nvz, ah, so bloat... |
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| 05:12.07 | nvz | dalias: heh.. yeah well its required now to be mainstream |
| 05:12.22 | dalias | i'd rather it not be mainstream then |
| 05:12.23 | nvz | dalias: it actually does effect usability in some cases.. the EMWH anyhow |
| 05:12.24 | evilgeek | cartesian1984: there's gdc, which uses gcc. i don't actually know why that hasn't been packaged. it almost works, but doesn't quite. |
| 05:12.28 | dalias | keep it non-shitty for us cool people to use |
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| 05:12.36 | dalias | and let the gnome idiots keep their metashitty |
| 05:12.40 | evilgeek | Guerin: i have a zip archive containing quite a bit of garbage. but i can easily turn it into a (binary) tarball. |
| 05:13.06 | dalias | what EMWH issues are there? |
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| 05:13.24 | evilgeek | Guerin: the solution i'm using right now is to install dmd in /usr/local. but this is annoying, since there are several machines and frequent updates. |
| 05:13.24 | kb3llm | I'm joining the debian community. Had some problems with ubb |
| 05:13.27 | kb3llm | ubuntu |
| 05:13.27 | nvz | dalias: like when I try to pull down a font menu in OOo and it becomes a new window the pull-down box and i have to click the close button to get rid of it.. same happens with like album images in amarok when I click its suppose to pop it up full size then dissapear when I let go.. in sawfish it becomes a managed window and has to be manually closed |
| 05:13.28 | dalias | btw it's EWMN |
| 05:13.29 | Guerin | evilgeek: nope, that's cool. Extract the whole lot to a dir with bin and etc and whatall else dirs inside, prune out the shit you don't need, and run checkinstall -D on it |
| 05:13.37 | Guerin | evilgeek: then hope :) |
| 05:13.38 | kb3llm | how long does a net install of debian usually take? |
| 05:13.39 | simonrvn | evilgeek: you'll have to note that you're modifying the archive it comes in |
| 05:13.42 | dalias | nvz, that doesn't happen to me... |
| 05:13.50 | evilgeek | Guerin: cool beans. thanks. |
| 05:13.50 | Guerin | kb3llm: |<--------------this long---------->| |
| 05:13.52 | nvz | dalias: its EWMH Extended Window Manager Hints |
| 05:13.58 | simonrvn | evilgeek: that's if you're going to package it for debian |
| 05:14.05 | evilgeek | simonrvn: for local use only. |
| 05:14.06 | Guerin | kb3llm: (not to scale) |
| 05:14.09 | nvz | dalias: things the applications tell the wm that sawfish doesnt understand |
| 05:14.14 | dalias | nvz, the font pulldowns work fine for me |
| 05:14.17 | dalias | and i'm using sawfish |
| 05:14.19 | kb3llm | Guerin: for real? how long, usually, on a cable connection |
| 05:14.21 | Guerin | simonrvn: nah, he's just doing it for local use |
| 05:14.26 | simonrvn | evilgeek: do whatever the hell you want then ;) |
| 05:14.38 | Guerin | kb3llm: between ten minutes and six hours |
| 05:14.40 | nvz | dalias: I haven't tried in in a long time.. I've been using sawfish ever since I first saw it. |
| 05:14.43 | evilgeek | Guerin: in which package where do i find checkinstall? |
| 05:14.47 | evilgeek | simonrvn: that's the plan! =) |
| 05:14.51 | Guerin | kb3llm: really - it varies so radically it's impossible to say. |
| 05:14.52 | nvz | dalias: nothing comes close to its awesome power |
| 05:14.57 | kb3llm | Guerin: well the 6 hours is dial up, right? lol |
| 05:14.58 | Guerin | evilgeek: in checkinstall, oddly. |
| 05:15.06 | Guerin | kb3llm: no, dial-up is substantially more. |
| 05:15.08 | dalias | nvz, awesome power? i like that it just stays out of my way... :) |
| 05:15.09 | kb3llm | Guerin: I'm just talking USUALLY on cable... |
| 05:15.16 | evilgeek | Guerin: aptitude sez "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "checkinstall"" |
| 05:15.16 | Guerin | kb3llm: THERE IS NO USUALLY |
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| 05:15.25 | kb3llm | lolo |
| 05:15.36 | Guerin | !info checkinstall |
| 05:15.38 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
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| 05:15.48 | Guerin | evilgeek: fix your repo |
| 05:15.50 | evilgeek | aah, it's in sid. |
| 05:16.06 | Guerin | evilgeek: you can probably use stow instead |
| 05:16.15 | cartesian1984 | kb3llm: are you doing a desktop installation? Or the entire main repo? It only takes 15 minutes for me because I install without GNOME or whatever and then add openbox and stuff. |
| 05:16.18 | Guerin | some people prefer stow, i've never used it |
| 05:16.28 | cartesian1984 | Wow, that last sentence was really poorly phrased. |
| 05:16.36 | kb3llm | cartesian1984: the main - whatever.. net installer. |
| 05:16.39 | dalias | checkinstall was removed from etch because it's broken and generates debs that violate policy and can break your system :) |
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| 05:17.01 | Guerin | kb3llm: the point is it depends on your internet connection, local mirrors, hardware, competence and package selection |
| 05:17.09 | Coweater | why is xorg ignoring my DisplaySize setting? |
| 05:17.12 | cartesian1984 | kb3llm: that's like 9 GBs or so, so however long it takes you to download 9GBs. |
| 05:17.16 | kb3llm | k |
| 05:17.28 | cartesian1984 | kb3llm: my debian install is 900MBs though. |
| 05:17.33 | oneo | hey all, i have a keyboardless box plugged into my tv and i want to launch a program to be displayed on the TV (running X)...i ssh in as the user that is running X...then i say export DISPLAY=0.0 then i try to run the program and i get: |
| 05:17.33 | oneo | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 05:17.33 | oneo | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 05:17.42 | nvz | dalias: yeah, its amazingly powerful.. as long as you keep stocked up on bags of parenthesis |
| 05:17.44 | Guerin | oneo: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 05:17.52 | simonrvn | oneo: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 05:17.57 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe |
| 05:18.02 | oneo | gurenin - sorry, im sshing from a windows box |
| 05:18.03 | dalias | nvz, well if there are EWMH hints not handled, fixing that would be nice. but i'm suspicious of any 'theme standard' crap |
| 05:18.04 | Guerin | dalias: aww, but it's cool. |
| 05:18.10 | Guerin | simonrvn: <3 sshx |
| 05:18.13 | nvz | dalias: context-based bindings, matched windows, ability to reconfigure on the fly without loading/saving configs and restarting the wm |
| 05:18.16 | simonrvn | oneo: doesn't matter, putty can do it |
| 05:18.19 | evilgeek | simonrvn: i'm not packaging it for debian because the licence says something like "by using and/or thinking about using Digital Mars D, you become the bitch of Digital Mars." which sounds quite non-DFSG. |
| 05:18.27 | dalias | it sounds like some gnome/kde stuff outside the scope of any X standards (which always involve just X protocol and not filesystem stuff |
| 05:18.31 | Guerin | evilgeek: heh |
| 05:18.33 | simonrvn | evilgeek: wth, for sure |
| 05:18.50 | dalias | nvz, umm, it can reconfigure on the fly easily |
| 05:19.07 | nvz | dalias: yep, one of the many reasons I love it |
| 05:19.24 | dalias | i don't care about reconfig on the fly. restarting a window manager is easy |
| 05:19.33 | oneo | simonrvn - how do i do it with putty? |
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| 05:19.58 | nvz | dalias: there are other wms that can compete with its bindings or window matching but they require you to open a damn XML file in an editor, parse, grok, edit, save, then restart the wm |
| 05:20.03 | simonrvn | dalias: well that's why they're trying to sync standards up, so there's less overlap of resources, easier management for coders, admins, and end users, and other good stuff. in a way though it stimulates innovation, but the drawback is what we're seeing now. |
| 05:20.20 | dalias | i wish sawfish had an option to override unmanaged windows and manage them |
| 05:20.22 | Guerin | oneo: this is not #putty |
| 05:20.26 | nvz | dalias: I am a configuration junkie.. which is why I love sawfish.. I can just indicate a new keybinding and its in effect immediately |
| 05:20.28 | dalias | and to override always-on-top windows and disallow that |
| 05:20.35 | Guerin | oneo: putty is awesome and all - and free software - but it's not in debian |
| 05:20.40 | Projectshifter | nvz: finally got debian up with 2.6.8 now, should just be able to take 2.6.11, patch it and then copy the config and make oldconfig right? |
| 05:20.44 | Guerin | oneo: so ask someone else |
| 05:20.45 | simonrvn | oneo: i don't remember, i just remember you can forward X stuff with it. and putty is OT here anyway ;). |
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| 05:21.06 | Projectshifter | | |
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| 05:21.08 | simonrvn | Guerin: it is actually, linuxified version |
| 05:21.13 | Projectshifter | \\ |
| 05:21.15 | Guerin | woah |
| 05:21.17 | cartesian1984 | oneo: and there is actually a ##putty, just there's one person in there ;) |
| 05:21.18 | Guerin | f'real? |
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| 05:21.57 | nvz | Projectshifter: basically. I'd copy the config before patching.. that way any additions to the config the patch makes are applied |
| 05:21.58 | cartesian1984 | !info putty |
| 05:22.01 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.60-2 (sid), Packaged size: 302 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
| 05:22.31 | cartesian1984 | Holy crap. |
| 05:22.31 | simonrvn | the win32 putty *is* ot though ;) |
| 05:22.31 | Projectshifter | nvz: good call :) |
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| 05:22.31 | nvz | Projectshifter: the patch introduces several config options not part of the debian or vanilla config |
| 05:22.31 | Element14 | oneo: you need a win32 X server... |
| 05:22.58 | oneo | simonrvn - sorry, im not trying to "forward" x stuff...i just want to have a program display on my TV display but the only keyboard entry i have is through X |
| 05:23.14 | simonrvn | Element14: oh yeh, but they're still available, unlike for mac os classic... |
| 05:23.19 | nvz | Projectshifter: yeah I'm thorough like a obsessive compulsive psycopathic serial technician |
| 05:23.31 | simonrvn | oneo: uh, that's how you're going to be able to do that |
| 05:23.33 | Projectshifter | nvz: haha, and i thought I was bad |
| 05:24.35 | nvz | Projectshifter: read an article in Wired once about "Geek Syndrome" a.k.a. Asperengers Syndrome they think us geeks all have some form of Autism or A.S. they are calling Geek Syndrome |
| 05:25.12 | Guerin | everyone who's a bit socially inept wants to have Asperger's syndrome |
| 05:25.22 | nvz | heh |
| 05:25.26 | Guerin | don't diagnose mental illness yourself, kids - see a professional |
| 05:25.30 | Projectshifter | nvz: I just like to think I have OCD when I touch a keyboard |
| 05:25.43 | nvz | I don't "want" to have anything but an understanding of how my mind works |
| 05:25.57 | Element14 | i'm not mental... i'm just plain weird :) |
| 05:26.06 | Projectshifter | nvz: I'm trying to get into med school, they're going to make me learn how it works :( |
| 05:26.10 | nvz | I consider any "flaws, disabilities or disorders" I have to be the reason I am so good at what I do |
| 05:26.18 | Guerin | well |
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| 05:26.46 | nvz | Element14: strange. |
| 05:27.09 | Guerin | i recently found out my political science professor, from the era where you typed up your PhD thesis on a typewriter, and very well published in the ~40 years since, is dyslexic |
| 05:27.17 | Guerin | that was a bit of a shock |
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| 05:28.04 | nvz | Element14: I met this woman recently and a friend of hers told me I was weird.. I was like, "no, I am strange. Weird suggests there is something supernatural about it. I am just unlike anything you know up to this point, nothing supernatural about it.. therefore strange is the word you were looking for" |
| 05:28.28 | Projectshifter | Guerin: that's not that uncommon frm what i understand. especially in the computer field, i read that a lot of programmers and the likes develop dyslexia, which makes me sad considering I've been mixing up numbers the last few years really bad |
| 05:28.42 | Element14 | nvz: haha ok |
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| 05:29.10 | Element14 | english is not my first language so what do iknow :) [however, i might be better at it than my first language :(] |
| 05:29.24 | Guerin | Projectshifter: can't all be janitors, right |
| 05:29.24 | Projectshifter | Element14: what' |
| 05:29.28 | Projectshifter | * what is your first? |
| 05:29.40 | Element14 | chinese |
| 05:29.43 | Projectshifter | Guerin: I hate cleaning up after myself, don't think I could clean up after others =P |
| 05:30.49 | oneo | im getting this error now when im trying to run a program on my x: Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key...anyoen seen this before? |
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| 05:31.36 | indu | hi |
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| 05:31.47 | indu | in my sony laptop, dmesg is having a line like, sonypi: detected type3 model, verbose = 0, fnkeyinit = off, camera = off, compat = off, mask = 0xffffffff, useinput = on, acpi = on |
| 05:31.58 | indu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.07 | Projectshifter | indu: viao? |
| 05:32.14 | indu | Projectshifter, yes |
| 05:32.30 | Projectshifter | what model? |
| 05:32.30 | indu | Projectshifter, Sony VAIO |
| 05:32.47 | Projectshifter | indu: what model of vaio |
| 05:32.55 | nvz | PCG-500 for example |
| 05:33.01 | indu | Projectshifter, its VGN TZ17GN |
| 05:33.15 | indu | Projectshifter, PCG-4LBP |
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| 05:33.59 | Projectshifter | indu: is your camera working at all or just not tracking? |
| 05:34.24 | indu | Projectshifter, how can i check that, I installed motioneye, and then executed the command "motioneye -d" |
| 05:34.41 | indu | Projectshifter, the output is, open: failed , No Such File or Dorectory |
| 05:34.46 | Projectshifter | indu: what problem are you having exactly? I have a vaio as well, it was a pain the ass |
| 05:34.50 | attentionwhore | whats the best tool for open a 90 mb textfile? |
| 05:34.58 | indu | Projectshifter, i couldn't find motioneye, on /dev/video0 |
| 05:34.59 | Projectshifter | attentionwhore: vim > all |
| 05:35.46 | Projectshifter | attentionwhore: what do you have that's 90mb anyway? |
| 05:36.01 | indu | Projectshifter, I have lot many problems with my VAIO laptop, with DEbian installed |
| 05:36.07 | attentionwhore | a short story |
| 05:36.14 | indu | Projectshifter, Major one is Projector not working with laptop |
| 05:36.22 | Projectshifter | indu: i had ubuntu installed and it was a nightmare, I hate my vaio :( |
| 05:36.27 | indu | Projectshifter, then , I am not ablt to test whether motioneye is working or not |
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| 05:36.40 | Projectshifter | indu: is it a vga or svideo projector? |
| 05:36.55 | lu-bao | !w32codecs |
| 05:36.55 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 05:37.13 | lu-bao | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:37.13 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 05:37.26 | lu-bao | lol |
| 05:37.29 | indu | Projectshifter, its a VGA projector |
| 05:37.37 | lu-bao | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 05:37.37 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 05:37.50 | Projectshifter | indu: so your vga output isn't working basically? |
| 05:38.12 | indu | Projectshifter, sorry, its svideo projector |
| 05:38.48 | nvz | lu-bao: please /msg dpkg |
| 05:38.56 | Projectshifter | indu: bummer, svideo is a bitch to get working, i haven't experimented with it on this laptop but it's always been a headache |
| 05:38.57 | lu-bao | i can msg ? okay nvz :) |
| 05:39.15 | nvz | lu-bao: as long as you reside in a channel with the bot, it will talk to you in /msg |
| 05:39.46 | nvz | lu-bao: you can use it in channel when it pertains to conversation and can benefit someone else. if you are just looking up stuff for personal reference, use /msg |
| 05:40.13 | indu | Projectshifter, but i need this to be working |
| 05:40.29 | indu | Projectshifter, also please tell me, steps for VGA projector to work |
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| 05:40.56 | xerophyte | when i run mplayer i get this error error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device how can i fix that |
| 05:41.13 | Projectshifter | indu: it should work pretty easily, have you tried function + f7 (it's f7 on mine, but says LCD) |
| 05:41.25 | indu | Projectshifter, eys i tried |
| 05:41.28 | Projectshifter | nvz: getting the bs "{standard input}:770: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'" messages again |
| 05:41.31 | indu | Projectshifter, yes i tried |
| 05:41.39 | Projectshifter | i had to patch it to get rid of it earlier =/ |
| 05:41.54 | indu | Projectshifter, in my laptop, even the combination of fn+F5 for brightness adjustment is not working |
| 05:42.15 | dalias | someone update dpkg to indicate that w32codecs is not just non-free but WAREZ |
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| 05:42.37 | nvz | Projectshifter: sounds like some ASM crap to me |
| 05:42.56 | dalias | and also to tell people that it's not useful |
| 05:43.19 | indu | Projectshifter, is there any external thing to be done to make my fn + Funciton keys to work in laptop? |
| 05:43.34 | Projectshifter | nvz: it is =x i found a patch earlier that updates some code for process.h and a few other files that fixed it, but a bunch of those errors are preceeded by "{standard input}: Assembler messages:" |
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| 05:43.41 | nvz | dalias: its very useful if you need to play Real Video, Quicktime, Windows Media..etc |
| 05:43.56 | dalias | rv30/40 is going to be committed in a couple days |
| 05:44.00 | dalias | free decoder |
| 05:44.06 | Projectshifter | indu: should be some ACPI settings or so. vaio is really gay with those types of controls. i reinstalled vista and they don't work for me, have to use software changes to get it to change the brightness |
| 05:44.13 | dalias | almost all quicktime and windows media formats are already supported |
| 05:44.32 | nvz | dalias: really? I wasn't aware of this |
| 05:45.18 | dalias | there's on obscure quicktime video codec (svq2) not supported afaik. svq1 and svq3 are well-supported for at least 1-2 years already |
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| 05:45.36 | nvz | probably because I don't really do much QT, RV, or WM |
| 05:45.40 | dalias | most legacy quicktime content is svq1 or 3 |
| 05:45.46 | dalias | most modern content is standard mpeg4 |
| 05:46.19 | dalias | wmv1/2 are supported, but certain features used in some files are missing, leading to decoding glitches in those files |
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| 05:46.34 | dalias | wmv3 is supported except for one fairly-rare advanced profile |
| 05:46.36 | Projectshifter | nvz: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/linux-2.6-seg-5.patch in case you were interested, found the patch again. I think it's because of binutils |
| 05:47.17 | dalias | not sure about the wma status but i think they're all supported except the v9 voice codec and lossless codec |
| 05:47.37 | dalias | and all real except rv30/rv40 is supported already since years ago |
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| 05:51.00 | xomhau | hi all |
| 05:51.04 | indraveni | Projectshifter, then , whats the option for me to make my projector an motioneye work |
| 05:51.05 | indraveni | ? |
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| 05:51.57 | xomhau | any one , tell me pls, how to sharing internet? |
| 05:52.09 | Projectshifter | indraveni: what kernel are you using? |
| 05:52.22 | indraveni | Projectshifter, 2.6.21-486 |
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| 05:52.45 | lu-bao | xomhau router :) |
| 05:52.47 | Element14 | xomhau: buy a cheap router |
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| 05:54.38 | xomhau | lu-bao,Element14 , can i use command iptable? |
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| 05:55.11 | lu-bao | is there a way how i can install every existing package available for etch debian? like all dvd's or so ? |
| 05:55.17 | Element14 | xomhau: you can, but i doubt most people here would have the patience to guide you and help you do all the troubleshooting |
| 05:55.36 | Element14 | you can look up some iptables HOWTOs online |
| 05:56.33 | Projectshifter | indraveni: trying to look up how to do the external vga, everything i've seen so far says it worked out of the box |
| 05:56.45 | Projectshifter | what video card are you using? |
| 05:56.59 | indraveni | Projectshifter, how to know that? |
| 05:57.23 | Projectshifter | xorg.conf |
| 05:57.57 | Projectshifter | nvz: made the oldconfig w/o any patches and make-kpkg --intird kernel_image and the shit gives me "make[3]: *** [drivers/char/generic_serial.o] Error 1" =/ |
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| 06:00.31 | indraveni | Projectshifter, I dont have any video card details in xorg.conf file |
| 06:02.13 | Projectshifter | has to have something. check for vesa perhaps. |
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| 06:04.40 | indraveni | Projectshifter, yes, its 1810 |
| 06:05.05 | Projectshifter | i810 |
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| 06:08.10 | indraveni | Projectshifter, yes i810 |
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| 06:09.05 | JeremyK | waldo: lsof |
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| 06:09.09 | indraveni | Projectshifter, what about my motioneye |
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| 06:10.55 | pavi | somebody help me |
| 06:10.58 | pavi | hello, while installing sifybroadband client which requires openssl i am getting error "cannot open libssl.so.4 : no such file or directory " though openssl is installed and is up to date. can some one help me on this. |
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| 06:11.42 | pavi | #flood |
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| 06:14.14 | niru | /proc/acpi/sony folder does not exist in my sony laptop |
| 06:14.15 | waldo | JeremyK: thx |
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| 06:19.36 | EznorbYar | hello channel |
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| 06:23.22 | attentionwhore | a short stor |
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| 06:23.30 | attentionwhore | ups |
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| 06:28.12 | jackle | Morning everyone. |
| 06:28.35 | kb3llm | need some hep getting my screen resolution right. it only lets me choose 640x480 and i dont know how to edit xorg.conf (i know HOW but not WHAT to edit INSIDE it) |
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| 06:29.11 | jackle | We would like to add an additional routing table ..ie: lan . For what can I search to get this done? |
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| 06:29.28 | kb3llm | anyone? my monitor should handle 1680x1050 |
| 06:29.41 | kb3llm | need help editing my xorg.conf |
| 06:29.48 | EznorbYar | kb3llm: is it a super-ghetto video card? |
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| 06:30.02 | kb3llm | its old. HP Netserver LC3 |
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| 06:30.51 | kb3llm | can anyone help? |
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| 06:31.09 | kb3llm | shouldnt be that hard i'd imagine. i just dont know how |
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| 06:31.47 | dalias | kb3llm, look at the file and you should find what you need to edit |
| 06:32.38 | kb3llm | i didn't find it..... |
| 06:32.51 | kb3llm | it appears to be fine, but the screen resolution sucks |
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| 06:33.01 | kb3llm | the driver sholud be right: cirrus |
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| 06:33.53 | dalias | search for 640... |
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| 06:35.13 | kb3llm | theres multiple resolutions under each one.. |
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| 06:35.35 | kb3llm | even the one i chose at installation, but its not showing in kde |
| 06:35.42 | kb3llm | dalias: ? |
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| 06:36.53 | kb3llm | ? |
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| 06:39.37 | mhall | Is there any reason another IMAP server would be better to use on my Debian VPS Xen mail server than UW IMAP? |
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| 06:43.02 | kb3llm | need some hep getting my screen resolution right. it only lets me choose 640x480 and i dont know how to edit xorg.conf (i know HOW but not WHAT to edit INSIDE it) |
| 06:43.22 | mhall | crap... seems that uw imap does not support some things |
| 06:44.53 | dalias | kb3llm, just remove all the modes but the one you want to use |
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| 06:48.45 | niru | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.21-1-486/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 06:48.45 | niru | make: *** [default] Error 2 |
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| 06:50.37 | aisStar | Hello everybody : |
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| 06:52.38 | aisStar | Can I ask little question about request tracker mailgate? |
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| 06:56.39 | Crush` | is there a simple way to see if a file has more than n number of lines? |
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| 06:57.17 | Wyzard | Crush`: wc -l |
| 06:58.25 | Crush` | thanks |
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| 06:59.31 | kb3llm | dalias: that made it so X wont start at all now.. Now what?? |
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| 07:01.01 | kb3llm | dalias: need help! I cant start x at all now! |
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| 07:02.40 | kurohyou | BYE |
| 07:02.52 | kb3llm | da?? HELP! I CANT EVEN START X NOW! |
| 07:02.58 | kb3llm | whoops.. |
| 07:03.02 | kb3llm | dalias: |
| 07:03.24 | mindmedic | kb3llm: relaaaax, get your /etc/X11/xorg.conf right again |
| 07:03.24 | kb3llm | this just totally sucks |
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| 07:03.40 | kb3llm | mindmedic: i dont have a backup. i cant |
| 07:04.02 | kb3llm | i'm screwed and i just had ubuntu on here, and switched to debian for this reason, and now its happening again. |
| 07:04.19 | kb3llm | what should i do?? |
| 07:04.29 | kb3llm | this really sucks |
| 07:05.01 | mindmedic | maybe reconfiguring the xserver-xorg package might help |
| 07:05.01 | mindmedic | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 07:05.18 | mindmedic | and never forget to make backups of valuable config files |
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| 07:08.40 | kb3llm | i deleted the xorg.conf and then restarted x. i got 800x600 which is an improvement, but theres no xorg.conf to edit. |
| 07:08.45 | kb3llm | so i cant make it better.. |
| 07:09.13 | Guerin | mental note: if you want to print a directory listing, do echo *|lpr; not cat *|lpr |
| 07:09.16 | kb3llm | that configure thing just puts me back at 640-480 |
| 07:09.22 | Guerin | good thing I didn't walk away from the printer |
| 07:10.00 | kb3llm | why what happened? |
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| 07:10.28 | Guerin | try cat some.mp3 and see for yourself |
| 07:10.37 | tomacco | hahah |
| 07:10.46 | Guerin | a normal-lenth mp3 file is a fucking lot of pages |
| 07:10.46 | tomacco | you could use ls, like a normal person |
| 07:10.50 | Guerin | i could eh |
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| 07:11.16 | beardy | Yes. But what's the sport of it.. |
| 07:11.39 | Guerin | beardy: long time no see, o bearded scandi! |
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| 07:12.42 | beardy | Guerin: Likewise o.. friend. |
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| 07:13.31 | Azar | nice to see good old beardy back |
| 07:14.04 | beardy | :) |
| 07:14.49 | Azar | I got a bunch of documents e-mailed to me but heck I can't print because I never installed a printer on my Debian box |
| 07:15.17 | Azar | gotta wait until I get back to work Thursday so to print them from a windows pc |
| 07:15.20 | beardy | If you have a printer to install that will solve itself. |
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| 07:15.54 | Azar | beardy: you think if I just hook my printer on my Debian Sarge would miraculously start working? |
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| 07:16.27 | beardy | Azar: With installation of cups, some luck and/or fiddling, and paper for the printer, yes. |
| 07:16.28 | Guerin | Azar: aptitude install cupsys; lynx localhost:631; add it, done |
| 07:16.35 | Azar | hm I do have an old printer (non-usb) |
| 07:16.37 | Guerin | what printer? |
| 07:16.41 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:16.45 | Guerin | it'll definitely work thyen |
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| 07:17.23 | Azar | a small old HP that used to be hooked 5 years ago on a webtv terminal |
| 07:17.30 | EznorbYar | hello? |
| 07:17.31 | Azar | gonna try tomorrow |
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| 07:18.57 | beardy | Azar: How come you are running sarge though? |
| 07:20.23 | rage | Does anyone have any good recommendations for a circuit simulator thats in Debian? |
| 07:20.34 | rage | Preferably gnome/gtk |
| 07:20.53 | kb3llm | how do you kill x11? isn't it /init.d something? |
| 07:21.27 | beardy | kb3llm: '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' if running a display manager such as xdm, gdm, kdm. |
| 07:21.34 | rage | /etc/init.d/gdm or xdm or kdm stop will do it |
| 07:21.41 | rage | yup |
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| 07:22.29 | beardy | rage: apt-cache search circuit ? |
| 07:22.41 | rage | Had a look, a few different results |
| 07:23.10 | beardy | I haven't needed one but I remember installing and playing with one.. |
| 07:23.32 | rage | There is a wonderful java applet thats pretty much what I'm after |
| 07:23.37 | rage | expect its slow as anything |
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| 07:24.01 | rage | these are 1.1ghz pentium III's 512mb of ram and not handling java so well |
| 07:24.07 | beardy | rage: Probably was tkgate. |
| 07:24.22 | Projectshifter | anyone experienced in recompiling kernels by chance? |
| 07:24.53 | Guerin | Projectshifter: nothing to it. |
| 07:24.57 | beardy | Projectshifter: Yes, and you will be too. |
| 07:25.02 | Guerin | it's the *configuring* that's hard |
| 07:25.03 | beardy | !kp |
| 07:25.04 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 07:25.20 | Projectshifter | beardy: lol i've done it quite a bit, but it's been a while since I've messed with debian and i'm having a coupel issues |
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| 07:26.02 | Projectshifter | i reinstalled sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel, and then grabbed the vanilla sources for 2.6.11 (HAVE to have this version for a specific patch I need), copied the config from 2.6.8, make oldconfig, and compiled but it's not seeming to pick up the harddrive |
| 07:26.12 | beardy | Projectshifter: The above, and "/msg dpkg make-kpkg" and "kp-mantra" should straighten it out. |
| 07:26.50 | beardy | Projectshifter: Check the config after making oldconfig. Maybe it isn't in, or didn't work as you wanted. |
| 07:26.53 | Projectshifter | I noticed when 2.6.8 boots (or any other version I had on before), it pulls up hda: MAXTOR blah blah, and then hdc: <dvd crap>, but now it's only showing hdc, so I'm assuming the hd isn't coming. |
| 07:27.07 | Projectshifter | make checkconfig iirc? |
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| 07:27.26 | valdyn | Projectshifter: you cant boot debian kernels without using an initrd |
| 07:27.41 | Projectshifter | valdyn: you can, but i am using initrd |
| 07:27.46 | valdyn | Projectshifter: that's why you should use make-kpkg, which will generate one if --initrd is specified |
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| 07:27.57 | Projectshifter | valdyn: I did use make-kpgk --initrd kernel_image |
| 07:28.08 | valdyn | Projectshifter: alright |
| 07:28.14 | Projectshifter | I've done this a few times ;) |
| 07:28.17 | Projectshifter | ty though |
| 07:28.34 | Guerin | Projectshifter: did you only make oldconfig? |
| 07:28.41 | beardy | Projectshifter: No, I meant 'make menuconfig' and check. |
| 07:28.54 | Projectshifter | Guerin: I did make oldconfig, then make menuconfig and saved without making any changes |
| 07:28.57 | Guerin | it may be the module you need is missing from later versions and you need to enable it manually in menucoinfig |
| 07:29.01 | Guerin | right |
| 07:29.01 | Projectshifter | beardy: what am I checking in there?? |
| 07:29.05 | Guerin | instead of doing so, check |
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| 07:29.19 | Projectshifter | Guerin: module for my sata drive then? |
| 07:29.20 | valdyn | Projectshifter: what's that patch about that forces you to use unsupported kernels? |
| 07:29.22 | Guerin | that your IDE module is present (or whatever one it seems to not find) |
| 07:29.26 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:29.33 | beardy | Projectshifter: What Guerin said. Check for IDE support. |
| 07:29.50 | Guerin | or newfangulated sataness |
| 07:29.53 | beardy | or sata, scsi or what it is |
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| 07:30.27 | Guerin | my PSU has plugs for it, does that count? |
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| 07:30.42 | beardy | Mine does too, yes, lets say it does. |
| 07:30.55 | Guerin | so we are in the 21st centuray after all! |
| 07:31.04 | beardy | My sata equipment is just hanging there and is mostly in the way. |
| 07:31.40 | Projectshifter | do I need to make-kpkg clean and rebuid after every change or can I just try to rebuild? takes like a fucking hour and I'm short on time :( |
| 07:31.52 | valdyn | Projectshifter: just rebuild |
| 07:32.04 | Guerin | well, i've been at my research for ~40h over the past three days and for my troubles, I have almost a page of bullet-point keywords |
| 07:32.18 | Guerin | this is Freaking Hard Work |
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| 07:35.22 | indraveni | Projectshifter, can u help me in making my motioneye working |
| 07:35.28 | indraveni | ni my sony vaio laptop ? |
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| 07:37.43 | Projectshifter | indraveni: by motioneye are you talking about a program or the webcam itself? |
| 07:38.51 | indraveni | Projectshifter, webcam itself |
| 07:39.08 | indraveni | on my laptop , i have a camera on top of the screen, and i want to see it wroking in debian linux |
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| 07:39.19 | indraveni | my dmesg outout is having a line like this, |
| 07:39.31 | Projectshifter | damnit, I recompiled with ide and sata compiled in instead of modules, and it STILL won't load my hd |
| 07:39.32 | indraveni | sonypi: detected type3 model, verbose = 0, fnkeyinit = off, camera = off, compat = off, mask = 0xffffffff, useinput = on, acpi = on |
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| 07:40.03 | Projectshifter | indraveni: i'm trying to remember how I had my webcam working setup on linux |
| 07:40.31 | Projectshifter | VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly |
| 07:40.37 | Projectshifter | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
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| 07:41.09 | indraveni | Projectshifter, please try to recollect, it, |
| 07:41.31 | indraveni | Projectshifter, see my dmesg output, its showing camera off, is it the reason ? |
| 07:42.00 | indraveni | Projectshifter, I dont have anything under /dev/video0, and in some forums i saw that motioneye can be found under /dev/video0 |
| 07:42.03 | Projectshifter | indraveni: I think that's just a temporary status, as in it isn't turned on at the very second |
| 07:42.11 | indraveni | Projectshifter, ok |
| 07:42.12 | Projectshifter | indraveni: only if it's being loaded |
| 07:42.43 | nvz | indraveni: just out of curiosity.. is this camera built-in to your laptop? |
| 07:42.59 | indraveni | nvz, yes |
| 07:43.16 | indraveni | Projectshifter, I ahev installed motioneye and effectv, package |
| 07:43.35 | Projectshifter | indraveni: check out http://lsb.blogdns.net/ry5u870/ |
| 07:43.36 | nvz | indraveni: what was your previous nick? |
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| 07:43.51 | indraveni | nvz, it was indu |
| 07:44.02 | Projectshifter | nvz: got a sec, recompiled and bitch is still not picking up the damn harddrive |
| 07:44.10 | nvz | heh |
| 07:44.13 | nvz | I suppose |
| 07:45.06 | nvz | Projectshifter: check the config in /boot/config-$(uname -r) for the CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD option |
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| 07:45.44 | Projectshifter | I took the 2.6.8 kernel that sarge had, converted the config to 2.6.11, didn't add the patch i need for abi, made it all, and nothing, I noticed when it's booting up it doesn't show the hda, but it does show hdc (cdrom), and when i boot 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 it would show hda and hdc |
| 07:46.17 | Projectshifter | let me check |
| 07:46.24 | dalias | wtf |
| 07:46.30 | dalias | where did /usr/bin/bitmap go?? |
| 07:46.32 | Projectshifter | this leads me to believe that it's simply that it isn't picking up the hd at all |
| 07:46.40 | nvz | indraveni: are you sure PCG-4LBL is the model number on that? I am getting no hits at all on google |
| 07:46.40 | dalias | it disappeared in a recent upgrade i think |
| 07:46.48 | dalias | packages.debian.org search says it's in xbase-clients |
| 07:46.54 | dalias | but this is just a metapackage |
| 07:46.56 | nvz | indraveni: er LBP |
| 07:47.04 | dalias | and not of the packages it depends on contain bitmap |
| 07:47.06 | Projectshifter | indraveni: PCG is not your model, it starts with VGN |
| 07:47.20 | indraveni | nvz, yes its PCG-4LBP |
| 07:47.27 | nvz | I thought the Vaio started with PCG |
| 07:47.33 | nvz | or is that just a series? |
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| 07:48.04 | nvz | indraveni: well either you are the only one in the world with that laptop or thats not right |
| 07:48.16 | indraveni | Projectshifter, nvz,Modelname = VGN-TZ17GN, adn model number= PCG-4LBP |
| 07:48.20 | Projectshifter | vaio's are dumb, i have a PCG on the bottom, but in the corner of my monitor it is VGN-FZ140E, which is the actual model |
| 07:48.33 | Projectshifter | the VGN is what you actually need |
| 07:49.30 | Projectshifter | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=m on the 2.6.8 |
| 07:49.34 | nvz | damn that thing is pricey |
| 07:49.45 | nvz | Projectshifter: are you able to load the sd_mod module? |
| 07:49.49 | Projectshifter | =y on this one |
| 07:49.55 | nvz | oh |
| 07:50.01 | nvz | in that case there is no need to load it |
| 07:50.11 | Projectshifter | that was my thought process. |
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| 07:50.24 | Projectshifter | initrd should still be able to see it then right? or should I set it back to load as a module? |
| 07:50.33 | nvz | Projectshifter: what about CONFIG_SCSI? |
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| 07:51.09 | Projectshifter | CONFIG_SCSI=y |
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| 07:51.11 | nvz | Projectshifter: na since its kinda required for your hard disk its probably better that its compiled in |
| 07:51.25 | nvz | Projectshifter: the key is to compile in all the things you NEED to boot and not use initrd |
| 07:51.28 | dalias | anyone know what happened to bitmap? |
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| 07:51.44 | Projectshifter | nvz: of course, but I figured since i was snagging the default debian I'd need the initrd one |
| 07:51.51 | nvz | Projectshifter: debian uses initrd because it has to work on wide range of hardware and the initrd lets it preload modules for the disk controller and FS |
| 07:52.07 | indraveni | nvz, when i googled for 4LBP, i got 4LBL |
| 07:52.15 | nvz | indraveni: right |
| 07:52.25 | nvz | indraveni: the other number you gave me was the right one |
| 07:52.25 | Projectshifter | nvz: when I compiled without initrd I got a ton of errors on startup |
| 07:52.34 | indraveni | mvbut my mnaula is having 4LBP |
| 07:52.42 | nvz | Projectshifter: thats because you didn't unset the option in the config telling it to use initrd |
| 07:52.59 | mandrigal | i thought that initrd was mandatory. o_O |
| 07:53.14 | beardy | No, why should it be. |
| 07:53.18 | nvz | Projectshifter: you have to do that, as well as make absolutly sure the disk controller module, fs module and anything else absolutly essential to booting is compiled in |
| 07:53.18 | Projectshifter | mandrigal: not at all, initrd just helps you load modules to start the system if you don't have all the mandatory things in the kernel |
| 07:53.29 | nvz | mandrigal: don't be silly |
| 07:53.35 | beardy | Modules isn't mandatory either FYI. |
| 07:53.38 | mandrigal | ah, learning more everyday |
| 07:53.52 | nvz | beardy: sure isn't ;) |
| 07:53.53 | Projectshifter | nvz: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y I should disable that then right? |
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| 07:54.12 | nvz | Projectshifter: yeah I take ramdisk out altogether cause I never use ramdisks at all |
| 07:54.43 | floundering | Hi, I am using apt-proxy installed on a sarge machine, but first time download speeds are really slow, 0.5k/s-2k/s.Is this normal? |
| 07:54.48 | nvz | Projectshifter: you have to compile in modules for FS.. if its ext3 you need ext2 and ext3 compiled in.. as well as your disk controller driver |
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| 07:55.08 | Projectshifter | nvz: only thing i'm not sure of is the disk controller driver |
| 07:55.14 | nvz | Projectshifter: anywho put your dmesg.log in a pastebin so we can see what hardware you got and whats not working |
| 07:55.42 | nvz | Projectshifter: this is why I consult dmesg and lspci and such when compiling a kernel.. the running debian kernel's output will tell you what it loads |
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| 07:56.11 | nvz | anyhow this VAIO he got is way too pricey |
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| 07:56.23 | nvz | from my experience sony doesn't even know how to make a solid laptop |
| 07:56.28 | Projectshifter | nvz: VAIO's usually are, I dropped $1200 on mine and I hate it |
| 07:56.33 | nvz | I sure as hell wouldnt pay that much for one |
| 07:56.44 | nvz | pcworld says this one he got is like $3500 |
| 07:56.45 | Projectshifter | you're pretty much dead on there, i tried to return it the day after I bought it but best buy tried to fuck me over |
| 07:56.52 | Projectshifter | ouch |
| 07:57.05 | Guerin | vaois are great if someone else is paying, and if you run windows |
| 07:57.09 | nvz | if I was gonna pay that much I'd get an Apple.. they are built tough |
| 07:57.11 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:57.13 | indraveni | Projectshifter, nvz any ideas about my issue ? |
| 07:57.14 | Projectshifter | i told the sales guy I was formatting and tossing on linux, he said no big, just run the restore disc if i needed to return it. next day they refused o take it back =/ |
| 07:57.17 | nvz | Guerin: dualy noted :P |
| 07:57.22 | Guerin | and if they buy the platinum support package, because you'll need it |
| 07:57.39 | nvz | my dad had one a few laptops ago.. it was cheesy |
| 07:57.49 | Projectshifter | nvz: this runs great on Vista, tried to put on XP instead, only has half the drivers I need, and it's a nightmare on linux, haven't had a chance to put it back on since i bought it since it has about zero drivers off the blocks |
| 07:57.49 | nvz | I've since taught him how to strength test em in the store |
| 07:58.02 | Projectshifter | hammer? |
| 07:58.11 | Guerin | Projectshifter: lesson: never buy sony. Ever. For any reason. |
| 07:58.18 | Projectshifter | Guerin: sad but true |
| 07:58.23 | Projectshifter | Also stay away from Compaq, they're horrid |
| 07:58.23 | Guerin | toys, not tools |
| 07:58.26 | nvz | na the easiest test is the own weight test.. and if it fails this you need to move on immediately |
| 07:58.29 | Guerin | toys for tools, some would say |
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| 07:58.44 | Projectshifter | lol @ Guerin |
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| 07:59.04 | nvz | you grab it with both hands as far on the edge of each of the four corners with it open in a useable position and if it creaks, or bends at all its junk |
| 07:59.17 | JohnQ | what happens if the machine is not turned on when a job scheduled with "at" is set to run? Is the job ignored? or will it be run when the machine is next on? |
| 07:59.37 | Guerin | JohnQ: this is covered in TFM |
| 07:59.48 | Projectshifter | lol |
| 07:59.51 | JohnQ | Guerin: strangely.. it isnt |
| 07:59.54 | nvz | you basically want to see if the case gives way to its own weight |
| 08:00.19 | Guerin | hm, i've read the answer to that ... it must be in some FM |
| 08:00.22 | Projectshifter | nvz: my vaio is fairly resilient, the color is awesome, but the hardware on anything but windows vista is crap |
| 08:01.04 | JohnQ | Guerin: if you know which FM it is in... I am all ears. But it isnt in the man pages or the open group base specifications of at. |
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| 08:01.44 | Guerin | JohnQ: hm, ok. I haven't used it in ages, but I swear. |
| 08:02.01 | JohnQ | if you have read the answer... care to just repeat it? |
| 08:02.19 | Projectshifter | nvz: new errors, yay. VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 08:02.22 | _b | something i can add to sources.list to install vmware workstation in etch? |
| 08:02.25 | nvz | Projectshifter: hardware spec and bugs are a whole different ballgame when buying a laptop and harder to spot.. what they do is slim down desktop chipsets to make them lower power, less heat, cheaper..etc and introduce a shitload of bugs they mask with propriatary software fixes that only work for the packaged FS |
| 08:02.28 | Projectshifter | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
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| 08:02.41 | Guerin | JohnQ: no, i can't remember |
| 08:02.47 | JohnQ | dang |
| 08:02.49 | nvz | Projectshifter: I'd like to see the whole log so I can see what kind of hardware you have |
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| 08:02.52 | Guerin | JohnQ: my instinct is that it does nothing, like cron (without anacron) |
| 08:03.02 | JohnQ | double-dang |
| 08:03.02 | Projectshifter | you want lspci stats? |
| 08:03.14 | nvz | Projectshifter: no thats useless |
| 08:03.18 | Projectshifter | lol |
| 08:03.32 | nvz | Projectshifter: that shows what you have, not what the kernel is actually controlling |
| 08:03.48 | dalias | johnq, of course single unix specification does not provide any behavior for at if the system is off |
| 08:03.58 | nvz | Projectshifter: the problem I assume is kernel related not hardware related.. therefore I need to know what the kernel says about the hardware |
| 08:03.59 | Projectshifter | dmesg.log you said? |
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| 08:04.04 | nvz | Projectshifter: yes |
| 08:04.18 | dalias | sus defines no behavior beyond shutdown/across power cycles |
| 08:04.33 | dalias | as far as it's concerned, all storage is volatile and destroyed as soon as the system is shut down |
| 08:04.42 | dalias | :) |
| 08:04.53 | JohnQ | Ooh... thats even worse than I was fearing. |
| 08:05.25 | Projectshifter | nvz: no dmesg.log, I've got the usual dmesg though I'm assuming then that's what you wanted? |
| 08:05.31 | Guerin | dalias: oh, it's not written out to a file? |
| 08:05.42 | Guerin | hm, i'm definitely misremembering |
| 08:05.45 | nvz | Projectshifter: that works as long as its recent.. i.e. the buffer goes all the way back to bootup |
| 08:06.00 | dalias | guerin, you misread what i said |
| 08:06.10 | dalias | sus provides no behavior at all for a system across power cycles |
| 08:06.15 | nvz | Projectshifter: the system probably didn't get far enough to copy the buffer to a log |
| 08:06.23 | dalias | as far as it's concerned, the entire filesystem/os/etc ceases to exist on shutdown |
| 08:06.29 | Guerin | oh, ok |
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| 08:06.39 | Guerin | that seems fair, in a 1970s sort of way |
| 08:06.48 | Projectshifter | nvz: how do you want me to send the dmesg |
| 08:06.58 | nvz | Projectshifter: rafb.net/paste |
| 08:06.58 | dalias | it's fair in a modern sort of way too |
| 08:07.05 | dalias | the device may be an embedded system |
| 08:07.19 | nvz | my pastebin of choice since a lot of others seem to be slow as hell |
| 08:07.29 | dalias | and even if not, governing what power cycle means and stuff is waaaaay outside the scope.. |
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| 08:08.11 | Projectshifter | http://rafb.net/p/rDdIPu53.html |
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| 08:08.50 | nvz | Projectshifter: how much ram is in this box? |
| 08:09.08 | Projectshifter | nvz: 1gb |
| 08:09.13 | JohnQ | so... "at" is "undefined" across a shutdown.. and I need to test it out in order to find out what my implementation does? |
| 08:09.13 | nvz | Projectshifter: is it shared with onboard video? |
| 08:09.45 | Projectshifter | nvz: not to my knowledge, it's a desktop and has some shitty onboard vid card, not even running xserver |
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| 08:10.06 | nvz | ah, well the BIOS probably still dedicated ram to it from the system ram |
| 08:10.39 | nvz | Projectshifter: I was just asking cause there is a warning that only 896MB ram would be used |
| 08:10.44 | Projectshifter | not a huge deal, the old server had like 32mb ram and 400mhz processor, a 10 year old program should be fine :-P |
| 08:10.48 | Projectshifter | gracious though |
| 08:11.24 | nvz | Projectshifter: I'm gonna need to see your fstab too |
| 08:11.36 | _b | not on the first date. |
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| 08:11.43 | nvz | Projectshifter: also know what version of the linux kernel you had this working on |
| 08:11.47 | nvz | _b: haha |
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| 08:12.03 | Projectshifter | nvz: the sarge distro is running on 2.6.8, trying to get 2.6.11.1 running |
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| 08:12.39 | Projectshifter | fstab is just sda1 for root and sda2 for swap |
| 08:12.50 | Projectshifter | I did have it set for hda, either one works on my setup |
| 08:12.51 | nvz | therein lies the problem |
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| 08:13.05 | nvz | Projectshifter: read the dmesg, and notice that the hd is hda |
| 08:13.18 | nvz | Projectshifter: you probably installed with a 2.4 kernel, no? |
| 08:13.30 | Projectshifter | tried booting with root as hda1 and sda1 and grub doing both and neither works, but they both work fine on the 2.6.8 |
| 08:13.37 | Projectshifter | actually I reinstalled from scratch using 2.6.8 |
| 08:14.08 | Projectshifter | swap = sda5 |
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| 08:14.23 | nvz | Projectshifter: there is no scsi disks |
| 08:14.27 | nvz | er are no |
| 08:14.38 | Projectshifter | when the kernel starts loading it on 2.6.8 it shows me like hda: MAXTOR blah blah, but on 2.6.11 that never shows up, only the cdrom on hdc |
| 08:14.50 | Projectshifter | on 2.6.8 sda and hda both work, but i'll set back to hda |
| 08:14.59 | nvz | Projectshifter: in fact the kernel says you have a PATA drive not SATA |
| 08:15.10 | Projectshifter | PATA ? |
| 08:15.31 | nvz | !PATA |
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| 08:16.03 | grilled-cheese | old style ribbon cable versus new sata cable interface |
| 08:16.03 | Projectshifter | hda: MAxtor 6t100M0, ATA DISK drive |
| 08:16.09 | Projectshifter | the # may be off, typed quick, but that's what it says |
| 08:16.40 | nvz | Projectshifter: right its showing that as a standard PATA IDE drive |
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| 08:17.07 | nvz | Projectshifter: looks like you have no need for scsi support |
| 08:17.16 | nvz | Projectshifter: and the fstab is the problem |
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| 08:17.52 | nvz | Projectshifter: your kernel command line says root=/dev/hda1 and your fstab says / /dev/sda1 |
| 08:17.58 | nvz | which they should agree |
| 08:18.34 | Projectshifter | nvz: tried both, but I set fstab back to hda |
| 08:18.45 | Projectshifter | i made sure they agreed earlier on both different sets but no dice |
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| 08:19.04 | Projectshifter | just added some more ATA thins in the kernel and recompiling real quick to see if that has any effect |
| 08:19.11 | nvz | Projectshifter: well seems to me like you've encountered different problems |
| 08:19.25 | Projectshifter | nvz: what do you mean? |
| 08:19.54 | nvz | Projectshifter: I think you need to learn to read better :P |
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| 08:20.12 | xjkx | "2.0% non-contigious" what does it mean ?? its the result of e2fsck |
| 08:20.30 | nvz | Projectshifter: the kernel will tell you what is wrong. you were probably fixing things that weren't broken at first now you are about to do it again it seems |
| 08:20.35 | Projectshifter | lol i haven't slept more than a few hours in a week or so and I've been up studying all night for an exam, had an exam earlier tonight and been working on a site for a client, a bit out of it lol |
| 08:20.41 | smiler | xjkx: that your filesystem is 2.0% fragmented |
| 08:20.47 | Projectshifter | nvz: uh-oh, what did I do |
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| 08:20.54 | xjkx | smiler, how do i fix it |
| 08:21.03 | nvz | Projectshifter: seems like you are recompiling for a problem that doesn't require it. |
| 08:21.11 | Projectshifter | all I see is that it's not picking up my harddrive, no idea as to why ? |
| 08:21.18 | nvz | Projectshifter: you just need to fix your fstab and all should be well |
| 08:21.32 | nvz | Projectshifter: it picked up a Maxtor hard drive... |
| 08:21.44 | Projectshifter | oh, that was on 2.6.8, not on 2.6.11, never picked it up there |
| 08:21.58 | Projectshifter | and when I set grub and fstab to agree, on both hda1 and sda1, neither worked, same errors and neither picked it up |
| 08:22.25 | smiler | xjkx: there are no real defragmentation tools for ext3 I'm afraid |
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| 08:22.41 | xjkx | smiler, :S |
| 08:22.42 | smiler | xjkx: have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Defragmentation |
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| 08:22.48 | nvz | Projectshifter: then you had a different problem at that time |
| 08:23.17 | smiler | xjkx: http://www2.lut.fi/~ilonen/ext3_fragmentation.html have some decent info on fragmentation in ext3 |
| 08:23.29 | nvz | Projectshifter: one problem is you do not have SATA and you seem to think you do.. you have two IDE controllers maxtor hd is the primary master and the cd drive is the master on the other |
| 08:23.35 | xjkx | thanks |
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| 08:23.45 | Projectshifter | just recompiled, and still not pulling the hda :( says it cannot open root hda1 on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 08:24.18 | nvz | Projectshifter: you need to pick one problem accurately supply information for it, and troubleshoot it. |
| 08:25.05 | Projectshifter | nvz: actually now it's telling me : SCSI device sda: it's finding it instead of hda |
| 08:25.24 | Projectshifter | going to try to swap it to sda1 on fstab and grub and see if we can get it to boot |
| 08:25.32 | nvz | Projectshifter: the log you supplied me has no errors |
| 08:25.37 | xjkx | smiler, you think we can use defrag fat32 from debian? |
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| 08:25.46 | nvz | has only a warning about physical memory available |
| 08:25.53 | sine | whats the best way to: debianlaptop crossovercalbe->ftp-> windowsxp |
| 08:26.07 | xjkx | the page you told me talked about win's desgrag and the idea came out of my mind |
| 08:26.12 | _b | something i can add to sources.list to install vmware workstation in etch? |
| 08:26.15 | nvz | sine: why ftp in that situation? |
| 08:26.19 | Projectshifter | nvz: dmesg was when 2.6.8 booted x.x not sure how to get it from a system that won't boot up unless booting from a live cd and mounting maybe |
| 08:26.35 | sine | can i set up a dhcp server on this linux laptop, plugin the cable and turn the windows machine on and have it assigned a local ip address that i can connect to |
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| 08:26.54 | sine | i want to be able to transfer files |
| 08:26.57 | nvz | sine: no need for dhcp or ftp |
| 08:27.02 | mandrigal | how often to netsplits occur on freenode |
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| 08:27.06 | mandrigal | *do |
| 08:27.08 | Projectshifter | sine: if you have a crossover cable yes |
| 08:27.09 | nvz | sine: just give them both an IP on the same subnet, and use samba |
| 08:27.14 | Projectshifter | sine: but much easier ways |
| 08:27.22 | Projectshifter | listen to nvz :P |
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| 08:28.12 | nvz | sine: 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 for example then mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.2/share /mnt |
| 08:28.15 | Projectshifter | OMG YES. I think the 2.6.11 just booted |
| 08:28.15 | nvz | or something of the sort |
| 08:28.18 | Projectshifter | or has gotten further, lets see how it goes |
| 08:28.25 | smiler | xjkx: no, defrag utils are closely tied to the filesystem |
| 08:28.29 | nvz | yeah reading the logs helps :P |
| 08:28.32 | Projectshifter | i may have just wet myself... if i get a login prompt it's goin down |
| 08:28.34 | Projectshifter | lol |
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| 08:28.41 | Projectshifter | WOOT |
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| 08:29.23 | sine | how do i see what my ip info is on this computer |
| 08:29.28 | sine | iwconfig ? |
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| 08:30.09 | nvz | sine: you have no ip info there is no dhcp, you just set the IP.. |
| 08:30.27 | mandrigal | working on someones puter? |
| 08:30.42 | nvz | sine: and iwconfig is for wireless.. you said crossover cable which means you were using cat5 cable no? |
| 08:30.48 | sine | yes |
| 08:30.53 | sine | ok ipconfig then |
| 08:30.59 | nvz | sine: thats windows :P |
| 08:31.16 | nvz | sine: first of all does the windows box have two nics or one? |
| 08:31.21 | sine | one |
| 08:31.59 | nvz | sine: ok, configure it static to 192.168.1.2, subnet mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:32.02 | sine | windows one nic cat5 into my eth0 and im connected to a wifi network on my ath0 |
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| 08:33.07 | nvz | sine: then edit your /etc/network/interfaces to read "iface eth0 inet static \n address 192.168.1.3 \n subnet 255.255.255.0" |
| 08:33.14 | Projectshifter | nvz: have I told you today that you're amazing? |
| 08:33.15 | nvz | the \n means a newline |
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| 08:33.22 | nvz | Projectshifter: no, but I hear that a lot |
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| 08:33.25 | Projectshifter | lol |
| 08:33.34 | Projectshifter | if you ever need any php coding or a site done or something, hit me up ;) |
| 08:33.40 | ma3x | mplayer from debian-multimedia gives segmentation fault. is there another place to get mplayer+mencoder? |
| 08:33.42 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:34.14 | nvz | Projectshifter: thats the last thing in the world I'd want to do... so if I ever need that done I will be having someone else do it |
| 08:34.21 | Projectshifter | hahaha, thanks |
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| 08:34.34 | mindmedic | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.40 | nvz | !room |
| 08:34.40 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 08:34.55 | mindmedic | ouch! |
| 08:35.00 | nvz | !circumsize mindmedic |
| 08:35.04 | nvz | didn't think so |
| 08:35.05 | Projectshifter | wow it's 430, to sleep, or to run out and grab a case of monster... |
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| 08:35.08 | nvz | just curious |
| 08:35.10 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:35.19 | Bladerunner05 | hello, I need to add an existing user to an existing group |
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| 08:35.29 | Projectshifter | useradd is your friend Bladerunner05 |
| 08:35.39 | Projectshifter | with the option -g |
| 08:35.47 | nvz | Projectshifter: ew, those things taste like artificial sweetner |
| 08:36.08 | nvz | leave a nasty aftertaste in my mouth |
| 08:36.10 | Bladerunner05 | Projectshifter>:_ if I do that is say the user exist |
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| 08:36.17 | Projectshifter | nvz: they're not too bad. I prefer Bawls but they're impossible to find around here |
| 08:36.28 | Projectshifter | Bladerunner05: sorry, missed you said an existing user |
| 08:36.37 | Projectshifter | I can't remember the exact syntax, there should be a user management util in your wm |
| 08:36.40 | nvz | Projectshifter: I do the Full Throttle.. I'm a Coca~Cola kinda guy |
| 08:36.50 | mandrigal | those kind with the alcohol kill my stomach |
| 08:36.59 | Bladerunner05 | so I resolve it doing usermod -G newgroup user |
| 08:37.00 | nvz | I like the Full Throttle Fury, they got like 3 flavors now |
| 08:37.02 | Projectshifter | Bladerunner05: usermod |
| 08:37.03 | Bladerunner05 | thanks |
| 08:37.09 | Projectshifter | damn, beat me to it |
| 08:37.16 | Projectshifter | I tried one Full Throttle, it was so-so |
| 08:37.22 | nvz | mandrigal: they all have inositol which is a form of alcohol |
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| 08:37.39 | Projectshifter | i have some bs CS lab in a few hours and then an exam on the cold war, tempted to sleep but i don't think it'll help much |
| 08:37.55 | mandrigal | i'm talking about the alcoholic kind |
| 08:38.09 | nvz | Projectshifter: I think the Blue Deamon or whatever its called is nasty.. but the black and red cans are alright.. the black one got a sort of lemon-lime flavor going on, and the red one got like an orange soda taste |
| 08:38.09 | mandrigal | glorified beer |
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| 08:38.26 | nvz | I've never seen any with alcohol |
| 08:38.55 | nvz | other than when I mix Jagermiester and Red Bull |
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| 08:39.04 | nvz | which I haven't done in a long time.. been drinking rum mostly |
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| 08:39.53 | nvz | I realized with help of my bartender that Capt/Calico and Sprite tastes like cream soda.. really good for chasing shots or something |
| 08:39.56 | Projectshifter | nvz: rum and coke is #1 |
| 08:40.19 | nvz | Projectshifter: yeah I was all rum and coke until I realized there are other possibilities |
| 08:40.26 | Projectshifter | actually I found recently royal crown is great, and i'm falling for scotch |
| 08:40.45 | nvz | making me thirsty now |
| 08:40.54 | Projectshifter | I'm still young, haven't been drinking too terribly long ;) |
| 08:40.54 | mandrigal | good ole malt liquor for me |
| 08:40.57 | nvz | I got iced tea.. but its not from long island.. |
| 08:41.02 | Projectshifter | i've got a handle of rum in the fridge, it's tempting. |
| 08:41.09 | nvz | Projectshifter: how old are you? |
| 08:41.09 | Projectshifter | that's no fun then :( |
| 08:41.14 | Projectshifter | 20 =( |
| 08:41.16 | Projectshifter | you? |
| 08:41.17 | nvz | heh |
| 08:41.20 | sine | says wrong fs type |
| 08:41.21 | nvz | ah still fun then |
| 08:41.35 | nvz | sine: maybe you don't have smbfs installed? |
| 08:41.45 | nvz | Projectshifter: I'm 24 |
| 08:41.50 | sine | i have samba |
| 08:41.57 | nvz | samba is not smbfs |
| 08:42.01 | sine | ok |
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| 08:42.14 | Projectshifter | I've got 5 months left, so aggrivating |
| 08:42.16 | nvz | samba is for hosting shared files |
| 08:42.19 | nvz | its the server |
| 08:42.22 | nvz | !info smbfs |
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| 08:42.44 | nvz | smbfs and smbclient are the programs to access shares |
| 08:43.04 | nvz | Projectshifter: not really, its not that much fun after you're allowed to do it |
| 08:43.13 | petemc | eh? |
| 08:43.21 | petemc | drinking is fun |
| 08:43.28 | Projectshifter | keeps me from getting these bullshit $600 fines and an alcohol class for taking 2 sips at a local pizza place =/ |
| 08:43.38 | mandrigal | yeah underage drinking is way funner |
| 08:43.45 | nvz | heh, I never had that problem |
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| 08:44.01 | nvz | I only get drunk in good company. I don't get drunk where I can get fined |
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| 08:44.17 | nvz | these days I sit around at the bar with the police quite often though |
| 08:44.48 | Projectshifter | I did ONCE, got talked into it by a friend I was visiting, and got shafted by these nice things called excise police that indiana has that their whole purpose is to catch underage people |
| 08:44.55 | nvz | not exactly good company, but they are kinda funny.. police officers always got funny stories to tell |
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| 08:45.24 | nvz | Projectshifter: that sucks, and I thought regular cops were bad |
| 08:45.41 | Projectshifter | tell me about it |
| 08:45.44 | Projectshifter | Indiana is a bullshit state |
| 08:45.55 | nvz | Projectshifter: time to start politickin |
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| 08:46.08 | Projectshifter | they go to bars and places that sell alcohol, sit around to catch kids or people who are way to drunk to be drinking more |
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| 08:46.16 | Projectshifter | I'm a poli sci major, shooting for med school instead though |
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| 08:47.05 | nvz | Projectshifter: I am the most anti-politics anti-religion type person you'd ever meet but hey.. they are both popular social powers so you keep your friends close and your enemies closer right?! |
| 08:47.38 | Firefishe | I was a clerk at a Shell gas station in Michigan a while ago. Had this one kid with a vertical license, three dog-eared edges flapping in the breeze. He gives me this obviously bogus card (vertical printing signifies minor on a fla. license). I say no, he then walks away, turns back and tries again, then I say get out or I'll call the cops. |
| 08:47.43 | Firefishe | I figure he worked for the cops. |
| 08:47.49 | Projectshifter | haha true. i'm not into religion by any means, politics, eh so so, some things I'm outspoken about but I finally filled out my voter registration shit today |
| 08:47.55 | nvz | Projectshifter: I'm actually running for borough council right now.. takes a certain level of not giving a shit what people think to be in politics |
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| 08:48.24 | Projectshifter | borough council = NY I'm assuming? |
| 08:48.26 | Firefishe | A few other people did the same thing, so I locked the alcohol cooler doors at 11:30pm. So much for 2am ;). No more probs. |
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| 08:49.00 | nvz | Projectshifter: when you run for office for the first time people suddenly have to decide if they love or hate you.. then the ones that hate you go around giving other people reasons to hate you.. true or not.. its all fair game in politics |
| 08:49.00 | nvz | Projectshifter: na, I'm in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania |
| 08:49.07 | Projectshifter | nice, been there a few timse |
| 08:49.07 | nvz | Projectshifter: or the Commonpoverty as I like to think of it |
| 08:49.17 | Projectshifter | haha. |
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| 08:49.31 | gkiagia | is there any way to kill a process that has stuck in disk wait mode? |
| 08:49.42 | nvz | gkiagia: yeah reboot |
| 08:49.45 | nvz | sucks |
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| 08:50.02 | Projectshifter | I've done my fair share of politics crap, and I hate it, it's so dirty and pretty much unfair. You can be perfect and exactly what people want, but if they're too stpuid to realize it and rumors/publicity shit happens, no dice |
| 08:50.06 | gkiagia | I thought so........ :( |
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| 08:50.26 | nvz | Projectshifter: yeah the point is to understand how it works not to like it.. that way it works in your favor |
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| 08:50.49 | nvz | Projectshifter: I mean what other job in this country do you know of that you can get paid just for promising to do somehting you know damn well you'll never do |
| 08:51.12 | Guerin | nvz: you're running for office? |
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| 08:51.42 | Guerin | as your friendly local political scientist i must advise against such rash action |
| 08:52.06 | nvz | Projectshifter: and the last thing you want is to give people what they want.. especially like going door to door.. that just makes them hate you more.. you can't possibly give everyone what they want.. they all want something different.. |
| 08:52.09 | quoth | I need a spider which can output me a list of all possible urls of a certain website/FQDN. I've tried using wget -r --spider but it needs an index.html file on the remote side? the website im trying to index does not have index.html but something else, any ideas? |
| 08:52.26 | Guerin | quoth: can't be done |
| 08:52.29 | nvz | Guerin: too late I've been on the ballot since spring, and the 2ndary election is next month |
| 08:52.32 | Projectshifter | nvz: true story. most of the things that get promised don't happen, and then like the president promises plenty of things that are well within teh power of congress, and out of his control, but yet people vote on it. and most of it is the advisors anyway |
| 08:52.40 | Guerin | quoth: all web spiders do is follow links |
| 08:52.48 | Guerin | nvz: how're you doing? |
| 08:52.55 | Guerin | nvz: and what's your platform? |
| 08:53.25 | nvz | Guerin: eh.. hard to say. I got like 64 of 110 votes in the primary.. poor turnout.. now I got people circulating rumors and organizing writins to run against me |
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| 08:53.53 | Guerin | 110 votes in a whole borough? Who says democracy's dead! |
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| 08:54.04 | nvz | Guerin: I'm tryin to tackle the parking problem that has been growing here for years, and organize year round recreational activities for the younger generation |
| 08:54.14 | nvz | Guerin: its a 1.2sq mile town |
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| 08:54.20 | Guerin | heh :) |
| 08:54.43 | Projectshifter | you're running for city council then? |
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| 08:54.50 | Guerin | nvz: you realise I study propaganda, right? |
| 08:55.06 | nvz | Guerin: basically personal agenda aside.. after roaming around the country for a few years and comming back here.. I realized the town is falling apart. It was boring as shit to begin with growing up here.. but at least we had things to do. |
| 08:55.19 | nvz | Guerin: so I just want to restore the traditions and stuff I grew up with |
| 08:55.26 | Guerin | that's a stump right there |
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| 08:55.38 | nvz | Guerin: a stump? |
| 08:55.46 | Guerin | flesh it out to five minutes and have yourself a debate |
| 08:55.54 | nvz | heh |
| 08:56.02 | Guerin | nvz: a stock speech,m to which you add bits and pieces here and there whenever you deliver it |
| 08:56.19 | nvz | Guerin: right I realized that after you said five minutes |
| 08:56.35 | Guerin | practice that shit in the mirror ... in the shower with a hairbrush ... while drunk with your friends ... all the freaking time |
| 08:56.40 | Guerin | it needs to be second nature |
| 08:57.57 | nvz | Guerin: oh it is.. I'm not faking any of it.. I'm actually serious about the issues I'm interested in.. though I do have a personal agenda like most politicians.. but what I am trying to do has nothing to do with that. |
| 08:58.07 | attentionwhore | do you know good linux hacking tutorials? |
| 08:58.20 | Projectshifter | uh attentionwhore what did you have in mind |
| 08:58.38 | attentionwhore | i want to hack fbi :D |
| 08:58.42 | nvz | heh |
| 08:58.51 | Guerin | attentionwhore: me too! |
| 08:58.51 | Projectshifter | I give it 10 minutes |
| 08:58.56 | Guerin | attentionwhore: i also want a pony. |
| 08:58.57 | nvz | I'd say you might want to start smaller than the fbi |
| 08:59.09 | Firefishe | Does anyone know of any BlackBerry-as-modem connection projects besides xmBlackBerry and Barry? |
| 08:59.20 | Projectshifter | you do realize that half the time they actually monitor chats right? especially open ones like irc :-P |
| 08:59.26 | nvz | cause they have a lot of resources and govt money to waste |
| 08:59.33 | Guerin | Projectshifter: panopticon? Say it ain't so! |
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| 08:59.37 | petemc | i dont think they would be too worried about some idiot asking how to hack on irc |
| 09:00.05 | attentionwhore | idiot? |
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| 09:00.07 | attentionwhore | fuck you |
| 09:00.16 | Projectshifter | nvz: hey, watching what 12 year old kids say on irc is WAY more important than monitoring terrorists and busting criminals and murderers |
| 09:00.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:00.23 | Guerin | well, he IS an attention whore |
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| 09:00.34 | Projectshifter | some people are |
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| 09:11.02 | harpal | How to beep at shutdown? |
| 09:11.03 | indraveni | hi, could some one help me where i can get sonypi module for my sony laptop, so that i cam make my projector and other function keys work well |
| 09:11.08 | indraveni | help needed please |
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| 09:12.09 | Projectshifter | holy christ, it actually booted 2.6.11 WITH the abi patches.. |
| 09:13.29 | Projectshifter | nvz: if you're ever out at Purdue, I'm buying you a drink |
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| 09:15.11 | attentionwhore | hi denny |
| 09:15.16 | nvz | Projectshifter: hah.. I doubt it.. I'm trying to stop running around for a change to try and learn to deal with whats in front of me and stop putting things behind me |
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| 09:16.04 | geo-rge | good thing to put behind you is a chair |
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| 09:16.18 | Projectshifter | nvz: ah, now what fun is that |
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| 09:16.38 | Projectshifter | i'm about to find out if these sco files actually work. and if they do, going to down this rum and take the day off |
| 09:17.07 | Guerin | Projectshifter: crusty all-nighter ahoy! |
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| 09:17.51 | nvz | Projectshifter: idk.. I still want to travel and see things.. I just need a better reason. I've realized I can create or solve the same problems anywhere. Until I learn to stand up and deal with the things that are bothering me and travel just for the adventure instead of trying to get away from something, its really pointless. |
| 09:17.58 | indraveni | Projectshifter, for ur vaio laptop, frmo where did u load the sonipi module? |
| 09:19.12 | Projectshifter | indraveni: I don't remember to be honest |
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| 09:19.49 | Projectshifter | lol |
| 09:19.53 | Projectshifter | GWB? |
| 09:20.03 | nvz | George W. Bush |
| 09:20.10 | nvz | aka Shit |
| 09:20.15 | Projectshifter | oh lol |
| 09:20.18 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:20.41 | Guerin | nvz: you mean you weren't going to wipe your Bush with your Dick? |
| 09:20.49 | dimir | http://bash.org/?233331 |
| 09:20.50 | DocPlatypus | wooo whee |
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| 09:21.27 | indraveni | Projectshifter, but iam really in need of it |
| 09:21.29 | nvz | Guerin: na, that could turn out bad.. we don't need any Dick Bushes running around |
| 09:21.30 | indraveni | Projectshifter, :( |
| 09:22.06 | nvz | which reminds me I haven't watched Lil' Bush since the first two episodes |
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| 09:22.16 | geo-rge | something about in hand being worth two in a bush |
| 09:22.29 | nvz | hearing the same ol jokes about those idiots never gets old |
| 09:22.41 | Guerin | dimir: heh. |
| 09:23.05 | Projectshifter | Lil' bush is hilarious, whether or not you support him |
| 09:23.44 | Guerin | you need not disdain a poli to appreciate satire of them |
| 09:23.46 | geo-rge | and if you think THAT is funny, you should find out the exec orders he's been signing |
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| 09:24.04 | dalias | i think dick and bush should go on a hunting trip together |
| 09:24.10 | Projectshifter | haha |
| 09:24.17 | Guerin | dalias: with tacnukes |
| 09:24.58 | geo-rge | like the one that lets the govt gather a bunch of people and force them to work |
| 09:24.59 | dalias | afterall if anyone else did it, we'd be screwed because cheney would be president and he's even worse |
| 09:25.08 | dalias | but if cheney did it, he'd go to jail :) |
| 09:25.13 | dalias | and then no problem |
| 09:25.48 | Guerin | dalias: nope. Can't happen while he's head of state. They'd have to impeach him, and for that someone would have to give him a blowjob. |
| 09:26.01 | dalias | he wouldn't yet be head-of-state |
| 09:26.04 | dalias | loophole :) |
| 09:26.11 | nvz | well we got a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich it looks like for the next president |
| 09:26.13 | Guerin | he would as soon as the trigger was pulled |
| 09:26.27 | dalias | it's a race condition |
| 09:26.36 | dalias | :P |
| 09:26.37 | Guerin | yes, technically it is |
| 09:26.37 | Projectshifter | OH |
| 09:26.38 | Projectshifter | MY |
| 09:26.39 | Projectshifter | GOD |
| 09:26.41 | Projectshifter | It's working... |
| 09:26.44 | Guerin | but bullets are still faster than lawyers |
| 09:26.46 | Projectshifter | I just came |
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| 09:26.48 | Projectshifter | not going to lie |
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| 09:27.51 | nvz | thats a bit of recycled southpark humor but I'm pretty sure it applies to Clinton being a douche and Obama being a turd sandwich |
| 09:27.54 | dalias | ... |
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| 09:29.07 | Guerin | it might seem that such matter is out of place when talking politics - people will often tell you it is |
| 09:29.12 | SlayerXP | nvz: what do you understand to be the meaning of "douche" ? |
| 09:29.32 | Kartoffelsalat | with which package it is possible to get the recieve/send information of the network (f.e. to show the traffic of a server) |
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| 09:29.53 | Guerin | but I'm a political scientist currently writing a paper on contemporary symbolic politics, and I've got most of a paragraph deducated to analingus and masturbation |
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| 09:29.56 | mindmedic | netstat |
| 09:30.03 | MattSchofield | Ello~ |
| 09:30.30 | nvz | SlayerXP: you know the vaginal clensing apparatus |
| 09:30.34 | Kartoffelsalat | mindmedic: how can the server write this information f.e. every day at 00:00 into a file or db? |
| 09:30.39 | nvz | a douche |
| 09:30.48 | Kartoffelsalat | i will post an example |
| 09:30.54 | SlayerXP | nvz: as I thought, you don't know what that word means. |
| 09:30.58 | mindmedic | Kartoffelsalat: use a cron job or habe a look at logrotate |
| 09:31.02 | Guerin | Kartoffelsalat: there are ltos of ways to do this, and none of them are both good and easy |
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| 09:31.19 | Element14 | cron is easy... |
| 09:31.20 | mindmedic | there are also other packages that draw statistics as html |
| 09:31.38 | Guerin | yes ... and none of the accounting side of things is easy |
| 09:31.39 | Kartoffelsalat | i want to show stats like there: http://annexis.org/stats.php |
| 09:31.41 | MattSchofield | anybody have a second for a fast phpmyadmin question? |
| 09:31.45 | Guerin | writing it out is trivial |
| 09:31.53 | Guerin | it's the counting bit which isn't |
| 09:32.04 | Element14 | oh i missed the part of network traffic |
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| 09:32.44 | nvz | SlayerXP: yeah in a world where you are too serious for a joke.. what does anything mean really? Come to Dahntahn Picksburg and tell a Stillers fan he's not talkin right innat. |
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| 09:33.10 | Guerin | those graphys are pretty nice |
| 09:33.14 | nvz | see how long you last on the souside with your dictionary |
| 09:33.23 | Kartoffelsalat | i think this rrrscript is a heavy script, but do not know |
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| 09:33.30 | SlayerXP | nvz: it's the name for a jet of water, typically used for cleaning internal organs during surgery |
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| 09:34.24 | nvz | SlayerXP: same thing |
| 09:34.37 | nvz | SlayerXP: the vagina is an internal organ |
| 09:34.39 | mindmedic | Kartoffelsalat: I think the software is called "ntop" |
| 09:34.40 | Guerin | a few suregons would beg to differ |
| 09:34.40 | dobby | Hy, where is the parameter in /etc/network interfaces where i can set the string PEERDNS=NO (Redhat) in debian? |
| 09:34.48 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:35.05 | mindmedic | http://www.ntop.org/overview.html |
| 09:35.12 | SlayerXP | nvz: errm, no, not the same thing. |
| 09:35.32 | Kartoffelsalat | mindmedic: thank you, i will try it (it's in my lenny sources, do not know if this app is in etch stable too, but thanks for the link) |
| 09:35.53 | tingle | hi i just installed debian whit a netinst.iso now i would like to install xorg+fluxbox but im not sure if im skilled enough to configure xorg is there anyway debian will configure xorg automaticly just like ubuntu? |
| 09:36.14 | nvz | and where I come from the word douche isn't a serious tool, its just something to get the sand out of your vagina |
| 09:36.29 | mindmedic | Kartoffelsalat: the graphs may be not as beatiful as the ones in your link, however ntop has a nice interactive web interface |
| 09:36.37 | nvz | which apparently you got a sandy vagina this morning |
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| 09:36.58 | Kartoffelsalat | mindmedic: no need for beauty, it should only work ;) |
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| 09:37.02 | volker | !kp mantra |
| 09:37.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 09:37.09 | geo-rge | where do you come from? :) |
| 09:37.12 | volker | !make-kpkg |
| 09:37.12 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 09:37.36 | geo-rge | volker: or, /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 09:37.45 | dobby | Ok how can I prevent that debian looks for the DNS every X minutes ? |
| 09:38.02 | nvz | geo-rge: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, actually I was born in the burbs of the burg.. Sewickley as the natives called it or Sweet Water |
| 09:38.26 | mindmedic | dobby: i think the dhcp client updates the dns servers |
| 09:38.54 | RvGaTe^work | Is there any virtualisation software out there that does the same as vmware virtual center cmbined with esx servers? (bundle multible servers into 1 virtual machine) |
| 09:39.27 | nvz | RvGaTe^work: run xen in vmware, problem solved? |
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| 09:39.36 | dobby | hmm but i cant see any lease time? |
| 09:39.46 | dobby | in the default config |
| 09:39.57 | RvGaTe^work | nvz, ? i dnot get it |
| 09:40.03 | nvz | RvGaTe^work: actually run xen, screw vmware |
| 09:40.50 | nvz | RvGaTe^work: xen lets you run multiple OSen on the same machine.. in theory would work just the same on a vm |
| 09:41.02 | RvGaTe^work | nvz, ehmm thats not what i want.. |
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| 09:41.36 | nvz | yeah well I said the same thing when I realized I had a penis, but oh well |
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| 09:41.50 | nvz | heh.. best thing I could come up with on short notice |
| 09:42.00 | mindmedic | ^_° |
| 09:42.02 | geo-rge | vagina envy :) |
| 09:42.03 | RvGaTe^work | nvz, i want to combine 2 or more physical servers, into one big virtual machine, in other words, creating 1 massive server out of 2... |
| 09:42.08 | nvz | waiting longer to make a better joke would have made it less funny anyhow |
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| 09:42.14 | Guerin | that's why he's been on about douches all night |
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| 09:42.30 | Guerin | now I wonder why he's obsessed with turd-bags |
| 09:42.35 | RvGaTe^work | nvz, aka, raid setup on servers :P |
| 09:42.38 | iapx8088 | hi all, I have an issue with my ubuntu raid1 server. It was installed using grub, swapped the disk and so on. Worked fine but sometimes it doesn't boot, or it takes a lot of time and the logs are a lof of md: array md1 already has disks!" |
| 09:42.45 | tingle | i just installed debian whit a netinst.iso now i would like to install xorg+fluxbox but im not sure if im skilled enough to configure xorg is there anyway debian will configure xorg automaticly just like ubuntu? |
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| 09:42.52 | Guerin | iapx8088: ---> #ubuntu |
| 09:43.07 | Kartoffelsalat | tingle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (try this as root/sudo) |
| 09:43.15 | iapx8088 | Guerin, ubuntu and debian share the same mdadm |
| 09:43.18 | Kartoffelsalat | tingle: it is not super-duper, but it is great |
| 09:43.22 | iapx8088 | it's not an ubuntu issue afaik |
| 09:43.23 | nvz | RvGaTe^work: oh well, I think you lost me somewhere around vagina envy.. maybe I'm not the right person to ask about this |
| 09:43.25 | Guerin | tingle: of course. aptitude install x-window-system fluxbox |
| 09:43.44 | Guerin | iapx8088: unprovable. Ask #ubuntu. It's offtopic here. |
| 09:43.54 | RvGaTe^work | nvz, you just keep talking random... you might answer somebodies question completely not relevant to debian at all... :P |
| 09:43.59 | iapx8088 | Guerin, I see. |
| 09:44.03 | nvz | heh |
| 09:44.08 | iapx8088 | Guerin, have a nice time bye |
| 09:44.11 | geo-rge | iapx8088: why is it a debian issue? it could be there's nothing in common besides the package management |
| 09:44.14 | Guerin | iapx8088: cheers. |
| 09:44.19 | tingle | so whats better: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (try this as root/sudo) or aptitude install x-window-system fluxbox? |
| 09:44.23 | nvz | RvGaTe^work: if their question has to do with vagina, perhaps. |
| 09:44.41 | Guerin | tingle: the former will configure it if it's installed already. The second will install it and configure it. |
| 09:44.46 | iapx8088 | geo-rge, I don't thing it's a debian issue, nor an ubuntu issue, it's just probably something I'm screwing up :D |
| 09:44.58 | dobby | ok but how can i stop /etc/resolv.conf from being changed by DHCP ? In /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf i have a dns request but when i disable this i get no dns servers at all :-( |
| 09:45.10 | Guerin | dobby: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
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| 09:45.40 | RvGaTe^work | iapx8088, if you installed ubuntu on it, and you having problems with it... #ubuntu... if you installed debian on it... then its #debian.... ? |
| 09:45.51 | Guerin | i think he might know that already |
| 09:45.52 | geo-rge | iapx8088: you could be right but both have an awful lot of moving parts |
| 09:46.11 | iapx8088 | geo-rge, mhm, it's also true |
| 09:46.42 | geo-rge | as far as support, it's primarily a load issue |
| 09:47.48 | iapx8088 | byebye |
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| 09:48.03 | geo-rge | but it's also that #debian people don't generally know for sure what's in those ubuntu packages |
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| 09:48.25 | Guerin | geo-rge: the term is `Hash Dweebians' |
| 09:48.47 | Guerin | sorry ... I mean `the preferred nomenclature' |
| 09:49.03 | geo-rge | preferred by what?! |
| 09:49.20 | Guerin | by the Dude, dude. |
| 09:50.16 | geo-rge | in any case I missed on that one, he never saw it |
| 09:50.29 | Guerin | no harm done, then |
| 09:51.06 | geo-rge | but he wouldn't have been informed of your dweebal essence |
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| 09:52.26 | geo-rge | !nvidia etch one-liner5 |
| 09:53.12 | themill | wtf???? so why is there a 286kB patch between ubuntu and debian: <iapx8088> Guerin, ubuntu and debian share the same mdadm |
| 09:53.20 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:53.30 | Guerin | you care much more than I do |
| 09:53.39 | Guerin | i was content to leave it at `unprovable' |
| 09:53.59 | dobby | ok but resolvconf does not fix the nameserver automatically or is not preventing dhcp to overwrite the resolv.conf right? |
| 09:54.06 | RvGaTe^work | ubuntu? what's that? :P (/ignore) |
| 09:54.59 | xand | some junk |
| 09:55.06 | themill | Guerin: I was about to dump that on him then he /part'ed. fyi, packages.qa.debian.org links to the patches. |
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| 09:57.20 | Guerin | themill: yeah, i know where they are - i'm just much, much too lazy to bother checking |
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| 09:58.12 | themill | that's fair too. Sometime's it's just nice to know what size patchbomb you can lart someone with. |
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| 10:05.47 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 10:06.13 | superlinux | i have updated my debian to the current testing distro... i have a problem that somtimes happens is when kdm trys to start up it hangs the system!and my monitor LED turns Amber. so what to do? |
| 10:06.34 | shufla | hello. where can I find information about which patch is applied to linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 kernel? |
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| 10:07.51 | themill | superlinux: look in /var/log/xorg.0.log for some error messages (EE) or warnings (WW). |
| 10:08.03 | geo-rge | superlinux: plus check bts |
| 10:08.13 | Guerin | if it hangs, it's probably a kernelspace driver, such as nvidia |
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| 10:08.21 | JimPanic | Does anyone have a Samsung SyncMaster 203B + Intel onboard graphics + Lenny running successfully on a resolution of 1400x1050? |
| 10:08.38 | Guerin | if you're using that evil shite, disable it and things will probably start working again |
| 10:08.43 | superlinux | but my keboard doesnt respond anymore |
| 10:08.51 | Guerin | superlinux: you should reboot |
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| 10:09.06 | superlinux | and sometimes when i switch to a ttyN it does it |
| 10:09.06 | geo-rge | I'm going to have to try evile shite |
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| 10:09.39 | superlinux | or even when i switch back from ttyN to GUI |
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| 10:09.51 | Guerin | superlinux: what video driver? |
| 10:09.53 | superlinux | ok i'll check it |
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| 10:10.05 | superlinux | sometimes it works normally |
| 10:10.11 | superlinux | i810 |
| 10:10.22 | Guerin | hm, that should be \rock-solid |
| 10:11.05 | [tor] | Hi, i have problems with a fresh Etch install X hangs after a few minutes. Nvidia Gforce4 m400 and the open source drivers. |
| 10:11.32 | [tor] | Hangs almost instantly when launching epiphany or firefox. |
| 10:11.35 | Guerin | [tor]: the nv driver? |
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| 10:11.45 | [tor] | Guerin: yep |
| 10:11.49 | Guerin | [tor]: flash? |
| 10:12.16 | [tor] | Guerin: no is enough with default startpage, debian something. |
| 10:12.30 | Guerin | yeah, but do you have the crash plugin installed? |
| 10:12.41 | Guerin | because if you do it'll load with the browser, needed or not |
| 10:12.51 | [tor] | Guerin: Huh? |
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| 10:12.58 | [tor] | I have not installed flash. |
| 10:13.05 | Guerin | ok, that was the answer |
| 10:13.16 | superlinux | Guerin it's a built in motherboard on an IBM NetVista |
| 10:13.20 | [tor] | Its a pure etch with only an update added. |
| 10:13.28 | Guerin | funky |
| 10:13.35 | geo-rge | nasau |
| 10:13.40 | JimPanic | Does anyone have experience with ATi/Nvidia PCI graphic cards? |
| 10:14.14 | themill | !anyone |
| 10:14.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:14.16 | beardy | !ask |
| 10:14.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:14.20 | themill | heh |
| 10:14.29 | Guerin | [tor]: grep EE /var/log/xorg.log |
| 10:14.40 | [tor] | Guerin Will do |
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| 10:15.25 | JimPanic | themill: Well, as I couldn't find anything via the search engine of my choice, I thought asking if /anyone/ in here has /any/ expirience with such cards would be kind of.. my last chance. I don't have such a card, but I think about buying one. |
| 10:16.14 | Guerin | JimPanic: you couldn't find anything about NVidia or ATI graphics cards? Seriously? |
| 10:16.19 | JimPanic | Guerin: PCI. |
| 10:16.37 | themill | JimPanic: what are you concerned about though? 2D, 3D, open drivers? Is there a specific model you're looking at? |
| 10:16.42 | Guerin | pci doesn't really have much bearinbg on it, other than being mostly obsolete |
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| 10:17.02 | Guerin | and can you still buy such things? |
| 10:17.27 | JimPanic | Well, either Sapphire Radeon 7000 or an XFX GeForce 5200 - wondering whether the normal drivers for those chips work, too? |
| 10:17.44 | yoshx | hello |
| 10:17.55 | [tor] | Guerin: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log -> (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 10:18.04 | [tor] | Guerin: the only error showing up |
| 10:18.04 | beardy | No, he can't be serious. |
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| 10:18.17 | Guerin | [tor]: drxx, make sure DRI is off |
| 10:18.33 | [tor] | Guerin: Ok |
| 10:18.33 | Guerin | [tor]: but that should either be freaking on X startup, or not at all, so I guess that's not it |
| 10:18.38 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 10:18.38 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 10:19.10 | voidmain2 | so I got my kernel compiled and after about three tries it worked right. finally I could install nvidia drivers. unfortunately xorg segfaults right where it should be loading the "agpgart". |
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| 10:19.36 | Guerin | tonight appears to be Fun With X Crashing night |
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| 10:20.00 | JimPanic | Guerin: Apparently, yea...scary. |
| 10:20.01 | troubled | Guerin: wasnt that last night, and the night before as well? |
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| 10:20.17 | JimPanic | Xorg, or rather driver support for Xorg, sucks. :\ |
| 10:20.44 | Guerin | funny, it's been rock-solid for me for years |
| 10:20.59 | JimPanic | For me too, but not on this hardware setup. |
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| 10:21.10 | voidmain2 | i think the problem is related to some agp related kernel option i didn't select properly |
| 10:21.10 | Guerin | mm... i have a crappy onboard SIS |
| 10:21.14 | AbacusMonkey | I recently stopped using debian cos the xorg drivers were messed up bad, and now i've returned and they are still messed up? :( |
| 10:21.21 | Guerin | voidmain2: often the case with homebake kernels |
| 10:21.36 | Guerin | AbacusMonkey: because they're that much better in other distros. |
| 10:21.50 | JimPanic | It's some HP Compaq workstation, without [graphics card compatible] PCIe or AGP, and an onboard Intel graphics card......no DVI output (!) and a weird Samsung monitor. Don't ask me why. |
| 10:21.57 | voidmain2 | debian always worked fine for me with xorg. until I bought a cheap motherboard. |
| 10:22.04 | voidmain2 | now it's a real headache |
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| 10:22.32 | AbacusMonkey | Guerin: Good point |
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| 10:25.21 | Meglo | Guys, I'd just like to tell you that debian works fine for me. That is all. :| |
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| 10:25.55 | Guerin | nice to see there's still some sanity on this crazy earth |
| 10:26.10 | Photon | debian works just fine on my very cheap server mobo... its hit and miss |
| 10:26.36 | Photon | the cheapness was caused by the previous (10 year old) hardware dying at a rather innoportune time |
| 10:26.46 | Photon | however... replaced it cheaply, and with very little fuss |
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| 10:27.27 | [tor] | Guerin: commented out "Load dri" and "Load glx" and it hasnt crashed yet :) |
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| 10:28.13 | Guerin | [tor]: hurrah! |
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| 10:28.48 | wsdo_okadr | is it possible to use kdm to make a login directly from console ? without beeing asked for username and password ? |
| 10:28.50 | [tor] | Guerin: Will try more but it seems to work. Big thx :) |
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| 10:29.01 | tomacco | i know gdm can do it |
| 10:29.04 | tomacco | ive never used kdm |
| 10:29.07 | Guerin | wsdo_okadr: yes. |
| 10:29.14 | Guerin | (don't ask me how) |
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| 10:30.16 | themill | !autologin |
| 10:30.16 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) |
| 10:30.19 | sqwob | i was wondering if anyone could tell me what this error means: http://paste2.org/p/7843 (during apt-get mysql5) |
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| 10:31.19 | Guerin | sqwob: it means it faILED TO START THE SERVER FOR SOME REASON |
| 10:31.23 | Guerin | arghcaps |
| 10:31.57 | themill | sqwob: anything in the mysql logs in /var/log? |
| 10:32.29 | wsdo_okadr | themill: yes I fucking do |
| 10:33.16 | themill | !googlesmite wsdo_okadr |
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| 10:33.46 | sqwob | themill: nothing in /var/log/mysql.err , and a bunch of files like mysql-bin.00000xxx in /var/log/mysql/ |
| 10:33.54 | themill | :( |
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| 10:34.19 | sqwob | 2007-10-03 15:32:57 status half-configured mysql-server-5.0 5.0.45-1 |
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| 10:34.26 | Stulenandi_42098 | hello check this new side http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7360955 |
| 10:34.28 | sqwob | that's in my dpkf logs |
| 10:34.29 | Stulenandi_42098 | hello check this new side http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7360955 |
| 10:34.31 | Guerin | sqwob: that's the problem, then |
| 10:34.31 | Stulenandi_42098 | hello check this new side http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7360955 |
| 10:34.34 | Stulenandi_42098 | hello check this new side http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7360955 |
| 10:34.36 | Stulenandi_42098 | hello check this new side http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7360955 |
| 10:34.37 | Stulenandi_42098 | hello check this new side http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7360955 |
| 10:34.39 | Guerin | sqwob: fuck off and die painfully |
| 10:34.40 | SpeedyG | !ops Stulenandi_42098 spammer |
| 10:34.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: speedyg complains about: Stulenandi_42098 spammer |
| 10:34.52 | Guerin | sqwob: my deepest apologies |
| 10:34.52 | xand | Guerin: rude! |
| 10:35.24 | Guerin | sqwob: but it's your fault for having a nick with the same first letter as a spammer ;) |
| 10:35.31 | themill | Guerin: miss it by that much! |
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| 10:35.54 | themill | yesterday, wols was proposing that everyone should have a nick starting with a different letter |
| 10:36.02 | Guerin | themill: yeah, well, when you shoot from the hip you sometimes miss the other cowboy |
| 10:36.07 | themill | all 800 of us... |
| 10:36.12 | Guerin | themill: i have lobbied for that many years |
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| 10:36.19 | Guerin | themill: easy, with unicode |
| 10:36.28 | wsdo_okadr | whatever fuck it |
| 10:36.52 | themill | I still won't have enough modifier keys or dead keys on my kb.... |
| 10:37.07 | wsdo_okadr | Guerin: "shoot from the hip meaning" ? |
| 10:37.21 | Guerin | wsdo_okadr: hit enter without looking at what I typed |
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| 10:39.14 | themill | wsdo_okadr: KControlCentre -> System Admin -> Login Manager -> Convenience |
| 10:39.59 | wsdo_okadr | themill: kthxursweet |
| 10:40.10 | themill | no, just stupid.... |
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| 10:44.23 | sqwob | themill: i got some of my relevant error logs together here: http://paste2.org/p/7844 |
| 10:44.29 | sqwob | if you care to have a glance |
| 10:44.36 | sqwob | it's still the mysql problem |
| 10:45.11 | sqwob | It sais /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock should exist but i can't see the file there |
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| 10:45.53 | Scurz | hi! |
| 10:46.05 | themill | what does just running "mysqld" at the command line do? |
| 10:46.31 | sqwob | Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| 10:46.52 | sqwob | then more about already having a mysqld server running on port 3306 and "aborting" |
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| 10:47.36 | themill | sqwob: do you have more than one copy of mysql server running? netstat -natp|grep 3306 |
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| 10:47.53 | Scurz | I've a little problem with DNS, I cannot 'ping' a dns (example : google.com), even, my /etc/resolv.conf is good, see http://paste.debian.net/38673 ideas? |
| 10:48.10 | sqwob | themill: that returns nothing |
| 10:48.24 | themill | hmmph. |
| 10:48.48 | themill | sqwob: this is a colinux machine is it? how does the network work in that situation? |
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| 10:49.18 | sqwob | yeah it's colinux, i'm using the pcap-bridge installatiion |
| 10:49.32 | sqwob | wait wait, let me switch of xampp in my windows environment |
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| 10:49.33 | dobby | IS that right, the only what to prevent that my resolv.conf is rewritten by dhcpclient in debian is to use resolvconf in combination with guessnet. There is no parameter like PEERDNS=NO in redhat in the interfaces files :-( is that right? |
| 10:49.34 | Guerin | graah |
| 10:49.39 | Guerin | colinux is NOFP |
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| 10:49.57 | Guerin | dobby: there are several ways of fixing it. |
| 10:50.02 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 10:50.03 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 10:50.11 | Guerin | they range from crafty to crude |
| 10:50.15 | Guerin | I prefer crude, myself |
| 10:50.37 | Guerin | substitute your own nameserver ips if you want some which aren't insanely slow |
| 10:50.44 | dobby | Guerin, what when i have a vpn connection an then the dhcp kills my vpn connection. Thats my problem |
| 10:51.13 | themill | Scurz: what happens if you: nslookup www.google.com |
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| 10:51.28 | Guerin | dobby: yeah. Editing your dhcp client config SHOULD do it, but in practice I find it doesn;t always. chattr +i works every time. |
| 10:51.55 | themill | sounds like a screwy vpn setup. |
| 10:52.06 | dobby | Guerin, Every time I open the vpn connection? |
| 10:52.11 | Scurz | themill: mm |
| 10:52.19 | Guerin | dobby: chattr +i is the Final Solution |
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| 10:52.31 | sqwob | themill: disabling xampp/mysql/apache on my host os didn't fix it :/ |
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| 10:52.37 | themill | :( |
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| 10:52.55 | dobby | Guerin ok i'll try that one. |
| 10:53.23 | themill | sqwob: what happens if you change the port in /etc/mysq/my.cnf |
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| 10:55.54 | sqwob | same problem pursists... |
| 10:56.13 | sqwob | thanks for the help so far, i need to be getting ready for work now |
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| 11:01.08 | Scurz | themill: the package nslookup is not installed, because that's a basic installation |
| 11:01.31 | Scurz | and I can't install it... |
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| 11:02.45 | themill | Scurz: how about "host" |
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| 11:03.30 | Scurz | themill: http://paste.debian.net/38675 |
| 11:04.20 | themill | Ahh.. so let's wind one section back. are you currently connected to irc using this machine? |
| 11:04.28 | Scurz | no |
| 11:04.58 | themill | Scurz: does ifconfig show an IP address for that machine? |
| 11:05.09 | Scurz | yes |
| 11:05.11 | Scurz | 192.168.1.14 |
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| 11:05.26 | Scurz | but, I can 'ping' 192.168.1.1 |
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| 11:05.44 | themill | Scurz: so that's starting to sound like a routing problem. |
| 11:05.59 | themill | what's the output of route -n |
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| 11:06.13 | themill | (I'm presuming you can pastebin from another machine, can you?) |
| 11:06.22 | Scurz | http://paste.debian.net/38677 |
| 11:06.28 | Scurz | themill: (yes) |
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| 11:07.04 | themill | Scurz: ahh.. no default route. Are you using dhcp or a static network config for this? |
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| 11:07.39 | Scurz | I can connect me with ssh on the machine which has the dns problem. |
| 11:07.54 | Scurz | themill: static ip |
| 11:07.59 | tls_81 | hello, Iceweasel is crashing as soon as I try and open a local page, am using stable. anyone else experience this this morning? everything was working great yesterday... |
| 11:08.16 | Scurz | themill: http://paste.debian.net/38678 |
| 11:08.21 | tls_81 | Has a bug report been filed? |
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| 11:08.29 | tarzeau | tls_81: which version of iceweasel is that? can you put your local page on the internet? |
| 11:08.35 | themill | Scurz: your mind-reading skills are good ;) |
| 11:08.38 | tls_81 | will do brb |
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| 11:09.24 | Scurz | themill: and ? so ? |
| 11:09.38 | tls_81 | tarzeau: version 2.0.0.6 getting page online... |
| 11:09.44 | themill | Scurz: what is eth1 and what is eth0? |
| 11:10.22 | Scurz | themill: sorry, the good file is http://paste.debian.net/38679 ;) |
| 11:10.22 | themill | Scurz: and how did you bring up the network |
| 11:10.30 | themill | ahh... |
| 11:11.01 | Scurz | themill: eth1 and eth0 are tow network interface on the machine |
| 11:11.04 | Scurz | +s |
| 11:11.24 | Scurz | but I use the eth0 network interface ;) |
| 11:11.31 | tls_81 | tarzeau: www.o-dev.org/web-design/sersu/index.html |
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| 11:11.45 | tls_81 | online it crashes iceweasel ditto |
| 11:11.46 | themill | Scurz: are you letting debian bring up the interface automatically? |
| 11:12.18 | tls_81 | weird, its valid strict html + valid css |
| 11:12.23 | Scurz | no |
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| 11:12.47 | themill | Scurz: so what are you doing to bring the interface up? |
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| 11:13.46 | RvGaTe^work | tls_81, <offtopic>div container makes me laugh everytime i see it :P you can actually use the body as the container :) look: http://www.overhoffdata.nl/new/ </offtopic> |
| 11:13.48 | Scurz | themill: oh, yeah, debian brings up the interface automatically. |
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| 11:14.24 | themill | Scurz: the route should get set automatically. perhaps try ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 |
| 11:14.53 | tarzeau | tls_81: i've got iceweasel 2.0.0.6 on etch too (amd64) and it's not crashing |
| 11:14.57 | tarzeau | tls_81: are you on i386? |
| 11:15.11 | themill | that page is fine for i386 too |
| 11:15.37 | apt_get | debian rdate dont have '-t' for timeout ... no update for rdate? |
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| 11:15.59 | tarzeau | apt_get: check bugs.debian.org/rdate (file a wishlist bug if there's newer versions) |
| 11:16.07 | apt_get | ok |
| 11:16.32 | Scurz | themill: problem resolved, thank you ! |
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| 11:16.51 | tarzeau | apt_get: isn't sid pretty much up to date? |
| 11:16.59 | tarzeau | 1.1.2 , it is |
| 11:16.59 | Scurz | themill: the ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 command has just resolved the problem |
| 11:17.26 | tls_81 | tarzeau: yes I am on i386 |
| 11:17.37 | themill | Scurz: excellent. That should be solved permanently then. aptitude update && aptitude upgrade etc. (you might want to enable repos in /etc/apt/sources.list first as they may have been skipped due to network errors on install) |
| 11:18.05 | apt_get | i'm using etch |
| 11:18.13 | tls_81 | Rygate^work: do i then use <page> to put a background? |
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| 11:19.30 | mooper | Whats that thing called that allowes you to have say two seperate computers side by side and move the mouse between them |
| 11:19.48 | tls_81 | mooper:dual head monitor |
| 11:19.49 | fantomas | Hi. How to specify an SMTP authentication in update-exim4.conf.conf to make Exim4 to auth @ remotehost when sending mail? |
| 11:20.06 | tls_81 | mooper: my bad |
| 11:20.10 | mooper | tls_81: I got one of those :-) |
| 11:20.12 | valdyn | fantomas: read the documentation |
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| 11:20.25 | mooper | I have my laptop, I want to be able to move my mouse onto my lappy |
| 11:20.36 | Scurz | themill: okay ;) |
| 11:20.40 | fantomas | valdyn: what documentation? I see nothing about SMTP auth in man update-exim4.conf |
| 11:20.42 | tls_81 | mooper: dual head graphics card, but you specified 2 computers... |
| 11:20.43 | valdyn | fantomas: /usr/share/doc/exim4/ |
| 11:20.50 | mooper | |tls_81: yars |
| 11:20.55 | tls_81 | so i am not sure anymore |
| 11:20.59 | tls_81 | lol |
| 11:21.02 | themill | mooper: synergy |
| 11:21.03 | tomacco | there should now be no mistake about my OS |
| 11:21.04 | tomacco | http://www.markdoodeman.com/miscpics/laptop.jpg |
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| 11:21.23 | fantomas | valdyn: is there EASY way? Just a couple of settings. I'm not a fan of reading this huge docs |
| 11:21.36 | valdyn | fantomas: yes, a file covering specifically smtp auth |
| 11:21.43 | fantomas | ok |
| 11:21.44 | tomacco | fantomas: you need auth for outgoing mail to a smartrelay? |
| 11:21.46 | tosh | anyone know how to get a list of all urls of a certain website with wget (or another tool) using the --spider option when the remote site does not have an index.html, but a different kind of index document? |
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| 11:21.50 | fantomas | tomacco: yes |
| 11:21.52 | mooper | themill ta :) |
| 11:21.53 | fantomas | tomacco: just this |
| 11:21.55 | tls_81 | tarzeau: any ideas? |
| 11:22.07 | abrotman | !qotd142 |
| 11:22.14 | dpkg | qotd142 is, like, <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 11:22.18 | tls_81 | It makes iceweasel crash even when its online? |
| 11:22.25 | tls_81 | shoud I apt-get purge? |
| 11:22.55 | valdyn | fantomas: nm, that typic is in the README.Debian.gz nwo |
| 11:23.04 | apt_get | tarzeau: problem... rdate(sid) use libc6 greater than libc6 for etch |
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| 11:23.29 | themill | !tell apt_get about simple sid backport |
| 11:23.49 | sqwob | themill: i think i found it, my loopback device is improperly configured |
| 11:24.01 | fantomas | valdyn: already reading, thanks. |
| 11:24.05 | themill | sqwob: that'll do it to you... |
| 11:24.25 | apt_get | thanksss |
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| 11:31.24 | apt_get | tarzeau: I use rdate from sid.. and dotn see -t option in rdate again |
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| 11:34.14 | tls_81 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:34.35 | agiofws_ | hello |
| 11:34.38 | agiofws_ | agiofws_ hello |
| 11:34.38 | agiofws_ | agiofws_ configure: error: Unable to find mozilla or firefox development files |
| 11:34.38 | agiofws_ | agiofws_ is there susch a filein debian package panager ? |
| 11:34.38 | agiofws_ | agiofws_ lapi:/home/agiofws/extracted/mplayerplug-in# apt-cache search mozilla-dev |
| 11:34.38 | agiofws_ | agiofws_ mozilla-dev - Transition package for development file for the Iceape Internet Suite |
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| 11:35.01 | themill | !tell agiofws_ about paste |
| 11:35.05 | RvGaTe^work | tls_81, plugins maybe? |
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| 11:35.07 | themill | tls_81: plugins are the normal culprit. Try starting it in safe mode. |
| 11:35.20 | tls_81 | will do |
| 11:35.39 | tls_81 | thx for suggestions guys, its really buggin me + i got to do this freaking site today...lol |
| 11:35.40 | agiofws_ | can anyone help me or do i have to compile mozilla-dev on my own ? |
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| 11:36.27 | tweakism | flashplayer-nonfree says after downloading install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, md5sum mismatch. |
| 11:36.31 | tweakism | on etch |
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| 11:37.14 | agiofws_ | configure: error: Unable to find mozilla or firefox development files does this file exist in debians repository ? |
| 11:37.28 | themill | tweakism: either a new version of flash has been released, or the download was corrupted. Perhaps try the flash player from dmm |
| 11:37.34 | agiofws_ | or will i have to compile the crapp on my own ? |
| 11:37.51 | abrotman | tweakism: yes .. it was updated at adobe's site .. the package is technically broken ... |
| 11:37.59 | abrotman | tweakism: there are bugs about this in the BTS |
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| 11:38.09 | themill | !tell tweakism about dmm |
| 11:38.14 | tweakism | yeah, I figured it was updated |
| 11:39.19 | abrotman | tweakism: TBH .. i just grab it directly from adobe.com and install it myself anyways .. i've never used the package from debian for it |
| 11:39.24 | agiofws_ | http://rafb.net/p/vNmoS983.html can anyone take a look at this error ? |
| 11:39.27 | tls_81 | themill: in safe mode i get this but only when run as a user, |
| 11:39.30 | tls_81 | iceweasel -safe-mode index.html |
| 11:39.30 | tls_81 | The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. |
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| 11:39.58 | tls_81 | themill: plus a whole lot more errors... |
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| 11:40.27 | hark | tweakism: i believe backports has the updated one |
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| 11:40.38 | tweakism | hark: cool. |
| 11:40.41 | agiofws_ | To get the Mozilla development files there are two options |
| 11:40.42 | agiofws_ | 1. mozilla-devel package (includes pkg-config files) |
| 11:40.55 | yang | what do I need to add a printer to my linux computer. printer is plugged on a windows machine |
| 11:41.15 | tls_81 | gonna try something else will be back... Thx for help so far |
| 11:42.58 | themill | yang: aptitude install cupsys smbclient |
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| 11:46.44 | tosh | anyone know how to get a list of all urls of a certain website with wget (or another tool) using the --spider option when the remote site does not have an index.html, but a different kind of index document? |
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| 11:47.51 | kanhaiya_kk | hi all |
| 11:48.03 | kanhaiya_kk | im trying to create deb binary packages. |
| 11:48.10 | kanhaiya_kk | it is creating succesfully |
| 11:48.12 | abrotman | tosh: can't you feed it the direct index URL ? |
| 11:48.18 | themill | !tell kanhaiya_kk about enter |
| 11:48.39 | themill | dpkg: ping |
| 11:48.42 | kanhaiya_kk | but when i do dpkg...it is not installing that package |
| 11:48.51 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:48.55 | themill | nice lag.... |
| 11:48.57 | kanhaiya_kk | means there is no files inside deb file... |
| 11:48.59 | abrotman | he's runnign slow |
| 11:49.21 | kanhaiya_kk | themill: can you tell me what is wrong while creating deb package ? |
| 11:49.50 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: you can inspect the inside of the .deb using mc or you can extract the archive using ar. I prefer mc for a quick look. |
| 11:50.19 | abrotman | he can use dpkg also to do it |
| 11:50.42 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: but my guess would be that you're not installing any files into debian/your_package_name |
| 11:50.55 | kanhaiya_kk | there is nothing in .deb file |
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| 11:51.18 | kanhaiya_kk | i have created debian/DEBIAN/control |
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| 11:51.33 | kanhaiya_kk | and .debian/usr/bin/<package files> |
| 11:51.42 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: you often need to hack at the makefile to get it to install into `pwd`/debian/packagename rather than into /. Sometimes it's just a matter of setting --prefix in control. |
| 11:52.03 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: you shouldn't create debian/usr it should be debian/packagename/usr etc |
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| 11:52.21 | kanhaiya_kk | okay fine |
| 11:52.24 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: and you should use debian/dirs to create the directories not actually make them yourself. |
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| 11:57.53 | kanhaiya_kk | themill: not working |
| 11:57.55 | ReVisions | good morning :X |
| 11:57.56 | kanhaiya_kk | this is my hierarchy |
| 11:58.00 | themill | !paste |
| 11:58.02 | kanhaiya_kk | themill: .debian/kaykay/usr/bin/kk.sh |
| 11:58.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 11:58.20 | tls_81 | hi again, can anyone check if there iceweasel crashes when they go to www.o-dev.org/web-design/sersu/index.html |
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| 11:58.30 | kanhaiya_kk | and debian/DEBIAN/control |
| 11:58.49 | kanhaiya_kk | themill: |
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| 11:59.10 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: that's really really wrong. |
| 11:59.21 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: Have you read through the new maintainer's guide? |
| 11:59.22 | ReVisions | i have internet problem, i have 3mbit internet, my download spped should be somthing like 380KB/s |
| 11:59.35 | ReVisions | but im getting it in 260kb/s |
| 11:59.41 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: or looked inside other packages? apt-get source a_simple_package |
| 11:59.58 | kanhaiya_kk | themill: i tried this last time. |
| 12:00.00 | kanhaiya_kk | it worked |
| 12:00.06 | ReVisions | i ran knoppix live cd, and in the livecd it's ok my downstream is 380 |
| 12:00.26 | kanhaiya_kk | themill: im checking other packages |
| 12:00.28 | tosh | abrotman when I specify the "special" index page it gives me "no such file". the remote side is an oracle app server with weird scriptnames :/ |
| 12:00.39 | tls_81 | anyone? |
| 12:00.44 | ReVisions | i turned off ipv6 and i chacked my loopback and it's ok |
| 12:00.44 | ReVisions | any1 have any idea maby? |
| 12:01.16 | abrotman | tosh: eh ... and trying to download the whole thing ? |
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| 12:02.04 | kanhaiya_kk | themill: im bit confused...tell me what to do ? |
| 12:02.13 | utopia_ | grrr, why does aptitude try to uninstall packages i dont want to be uninstalled? |
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| 12:02.30 | utopia_ | is there an option i can pass to stop this? |
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| 12:02.48 | utopia_ | aptitude install figlet ends up trying to uninstall somethin like 300 pkgs that i want |
| 12:03.11 | themill | utopia_: it's trying to remove what it thinks are unneeded packages. Ones that were auto-installed and you've now uninstalled something that used them. Or you recently switched from apt-get to aptitude |
| 12:03.30 | themill | !tell utopia_ about aptitude-fu |
| 12:03.40 | themill | the last one in the botblurb is useful to you. |
| 12:03.46 | utopia_ | themill, ok so is there an option i can pass to stop |
| 12:03.51 | themill | utopia_: Or mark the packages as being wanted. |
| 12:03.51 | utopia_ | i didnt get anything from tha |
| 12:03.55 | tosh | abrotman thats what im gonna try next |
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| 12:08.11 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: here's the dir structure of a package that I'm working on atm. This is *before* building the deb package. http://pastebin.ca/724154 |
| 12:08.56 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: building the package creates the dir ./debian/latexdraw/ and into that things are copied using ./debian/rules or ./debian/install |
| 12:09.04 | abrotman | did he read the documentation? |
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| 12:09.19 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 12:09.25 | abrotman | yay slow bot! |
| 12:09.32 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: so the executable is copied into ./debian/latexdraw/usr/bin/latexdraw |
| 12:09.38 | dpkg | i guess mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 12:09.48 | themill | kanhaiya_kk: you really need to read over the new maintainer's guide. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 12:10.20 | apt_get | rdate from sid dont have -t option |
| 12:10.37 | themill | !wayttd apt_get |
| 12:10.44 | themill | oh ffs! |
| 12:10.51 | tweakism | I made /etc/modprobe.d/vmmon w/ one line, no quotes, "options vmmon vmversion=17". has no effect. rmmod vmmon; modprobe vmmon vmversion=17 after boot works. |
| 12:10.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, apt_get? |
| 12:11.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is going pretty slow today |
| 12:11.05 | themill | now I know how the guys on #bash felt when their bot went walkies for a few days |
| 12:11.19 | tweakism | themill: you AUian? |
| 12:11.20 | abrotman | themill: dpkg used to have all sorts of issues |
| 12:11.41 | themill | tweakism: yes |
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| 12:12.00 | tweakism | themill: do you guys still have that tradition? |
| 12:12.08 | themill | ? |
| 12:12.10 | abrotman | apt_get: what is this '-t' supposed to do ? |
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| 12:14.27 | abrotman | okay then ... |
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| 12:15.51 | apt_get | abrotman: -t = timeout. in redhat -t works. |
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| 12:16.04 | themill | !beer abrotman |
| 12:16.05 | apt_get | if u run rdate some_ip... and IP is OFF, then rdate never goes out... |
| 12:16.09 | abrotman | apt_get: debian uses the BSD version .. does RH ? |
| 12:16.11 | themill | abrotman: good guess |
| 12:16.20 | apt_get | with -t option, u can say how many time to timeout |
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| 12:16.45 | abrotman | apt_get: does RH use the BSD version of rdate? |
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| 12:18.33 | themill | the upstream documentation for debian's rdate doesn't mention -t |
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| 12:19.20 | apt_get | hmm |
| 12:19.20 | SpeedyG | wow, dpkg has a bit of lag |
| 12:20.05 | apt_get | and the openrdate, from sourceforge, dont have -t too |
| 12:20.12 | tls_81 | the mill: am not sure where to from here with regards to iceweasel crash... Have run in safe mode but it still crashes, unless i use the root acount. what else can i use to troubleshoot? |
| 12:20.19 | abrotman | apt_get: it's possible RH doesn't share |
| 12:20.41 | tls_81 | the strace output is very hard for me to read... |
| 12:20.49 | tls_81 | am not a programer |
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| 12:21.34 | themill | tls_81: don't run iceweasel as root. That's a bad thing. If it works as another user, then it's something to do with your profile. |
| 12:22.07 | tls_81 | themil wasnt running it as root was just testing... will test as another user account... |
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| 12:22.14 | tls_81 | brb |
| 12:22.14 | apt_get | hmm |
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| 12:23.21 | abrotman | god rpm sucks |
| 12:23.34 | zicho | How can i remove every folder that starts with a capital letter? |
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| 12:24.34 | apt_get | ouch im trying with rpm convert but no sucess... lets trying again |
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| 12:25.20 | Hoxzer | how do i find out what process is using a module ? |
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| 12:26.24 | hodolo | hi |
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| 12:26.51 | hodolo | i want to upgrade my linux image but it refer me 3 different versions of linux-image package |
| 12:26.58 | hodolo | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:27.12 | hodolo | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 12:27.35 | hodolo | the first one is 2256 kb and the another one is 16.3 mb |
| 12:27.37 | dererk | hodolo, You better install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 12:27.41 | wols | install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:27.43 | hodolo | what the difference is so much? |
| 12:27.46 | abrotman | dererk: no he wouldn't |
| 12:27.57 | dererk | hodolo, It's a virtual package that points to the latestkernel |
| 12:28.05 | dererk | abrotman, no? :/ |
| 12:28.07 | fantomas | Can any1 help with setting up EXIM4 smtp auth? |
| 12:28.10 | abrotman | dererk: read what you typed again |
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| 12:28.41 | dererk | ouch |
| 12:28.51 | dererk | I meant inux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:29.53 | abrotman | you mean the one wols said ? |
| 12:29.54 | hodolo | so |
| 12:29.58 | hodolo | which one should i install? |
| 12:30.03 | abrotman | apt_get: as near as i can tell .. that's a RH-specific patch |
| 12:30.11 | dererk | abrotman, I c&p the wrong line :P |
| 12:30.16 | wols | hodolo: people already told you |
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| 12:30.46 | hodolo | one of them say install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 and another install linux-image-2.6-686 :) |
| 12:30.48 | hodolo | which one? |
| 12:30.48 | dererk | hodolo, linux-image-2.6-686 should |
| 12:30.52 | wols | fantomas: with an open ended question like this, finding someone to help you is improbable |
| 12:30.55 | abrotman | i can't believe i just spent 10 minutes doing his homework :) |
| 12:31.01 | hodolo | hm okay |
| 12:31.08 | wols | abrotman: whose? |
| 12:31.12 | abrotman | wols: apt_get's |
| 12:31.14 | dererk | hodolo, I appologize, I meant linux-image-2.6-686, I just copied wrong line |
| 12:31.16 | apt_get | abrotman: then i will edit the source openrdate and put a alert into the conect socket |
| 12:31.25 | wols | !pal abrotman |
| 12:31.26 | abrotman | apt_get: you have a good time doing that ... |
| 12:31.31 | wols | abrotman: sucker :P |
| 12:31.32 | abrotman | wols: bot misbehaving |
| 12:31.41 | dererk | hahaha |
| 12:32.00 | dererk | loool |
| 12:32.06 | dererk | little laged |
| 12:32.20 | abrotman | at least the bot can use C&P |
| 12:32.38 | dererk | lmao |
| 12:32.52 | dererk | abrotman, +1 |
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| 12:34.01 | hodolo | thanks :) |
| 12:34.27 | fantomas | wols: I know. I'm just feeling so stupid that is ready to kill either someone or myself |
| 12:34.37 | apt_get | abrotman: -P |
| 12:35.09 | fantomas | I fffooockin hate exim, thats what I know for sure. Or I hate the way how docs is written. I don't know exactly. But hate is what fills up my soul atm |
| 12:35.09 | dererk | fantomas, "changes always start by yourself" :P |
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| 12:35.38 | dererk | fantomas, couldn't you use postfix? it's much more documented everywhere |
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| 12:35.56 | fantomas | I spent an hour trying to make it to AUTH @ smtp server. Just auth. But it doesn't do that. Just nothing... |
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| 12:40.14 | F1r3B1rd | good morning everyone |
| 12:40.53 | DeathGauge | I Formatted my external HD last night but now it says to specify the file system when mounting... I pass mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc1 '/media/Divergent Web Site' but it won't mount |
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| 12:41.25 | Hoxzer_ | HMMMMMMMMM |
| 12:42.01 | Hoxzer_ | :P I put nvidiafb to blacklist and it is still loaded after reboot |
| 12:42.18 | wols | !blacklist |
| 12:42.30 | wols | hodolo: you forgot to blacklist it in your initrd |
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| 12:42.45 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 12:43.30 | Hoxzer_ | wols: that's what I did |
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| 12:44.40 | tls_81 | themill: Problem solved... |
| 12:44.52 | tls_81 | God am so stocked |
| 12:44.54 | tls_81 | !! |
| 12:44.55 | themill | tls_81: fresh profile? |
| 12:44.59 | tls_81 | nope |
| 12:45.17 | tls_81 | last nigth I added a new font for the page and permison on it was not set to r... |
| 12:45.23 | tls_81 | lol |
| 12:45.25 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 12:45.31 | tls_81 | just lost 4 hours on this... |
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| 12:45.35 | themill | dpkg: shut up |
| 12:46.07 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 12:46.21 | themill | tls_81: well.. that's a pretty impressive effort then. Most odd problem. Perhaps file a bugreport against that, as a helpful error message for that would have been rather handy. |
| 12:46.23 | tls_81 | themill so I just had to chmod all my fonts and it now works... |
| 12:47.36 | tls_81 | totaly, my first incline would be to substitue the font as if it wasn't installed... but because font is installed i crashes with a read error |
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| 12:48.08 | tls_81 | anyways off to file a bug report if you think it's worth it... |
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| 12:51.17 | DeathGauge | how odd...I had formatted my ext usb hd last night and couldn't get it to mount at all.....but I pressed up in root terminal until I found the same mount command and suddenly this morning it mounted the hd no problem o_O |
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| 12:51.48 | mooper | how do I share a VPN connection over my local network? |
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| 12:51.56 | mooper | openvpn |
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| 12:52.29 | DeathGauge | heh, I remember when I used to go by Sub-Zero for everything.....but that was before I started programming, drawing my own comics, and writing |
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| 12:53.21 | xand | apt: nat |
| 12:53.22 | apt | nat is probably Network Address Translation Usable in Asterisk sip.conf file with externip, localnet, and localmask setup properly. See docs. |
| 12:53.34 | xand | erm, useful. |
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| 12:54.25 | DeathGauge | heh, quick little blurb followed by the polite RTFM......better than some channels ;) |
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| 12:58.32 | RvGaTe^work | !whereis dpkg |
| 12:58.47 | abrotman | the bot quit |
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| 12:59.08 | themill | took it's bat and ball and went home |
| 12:59.12 | themill | its* |
| 12:59.18 | xand | god disconnected for spamming |
| 12:59.24 | xand | erm, gos |
| 12:59.27 | xand | got! |
| 12:59.33 | themill | third time lucky :) |
| 12:59.42 | F1r3B1rd | hey u guys...i'm sorry... first time in this channel... dpkg is a bot? |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:59.49 | RvGaTe^work | yes |
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| 12:59.55 | F1r3B1rd | ow... |
| 13:00.02 | RvGaTe^work | you been trying to date with him? |
| 13:00.13 | Hoxzer | :P Well, I deleted nvidiafb module :D Might nto be the good idea but it was fast |
| 13:00.16 | sep | YES ...YES ::!!!OMFG-YES!!!! ssh in lenny includes portnumbers in the known hosts HAPPY HAPPY joy joy !! |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | sep: i don't think you're happy enough! |
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| 13:00.38 | abrotman | !log |
| 13:00.40 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 13:00.46 | F1r3B1rd | actually... i was trying to talk to him... yeah...lol... |
| 13:00.50 | Nyle | rene |
| 13:00.50 | RvGaTe^work | !welcome back |
| 13:00.52 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 13:00.54 | Nyle | decartes |
| 13:00.55 | RvGaTe^work | :) |
| 13:00.58 | sep | :) |
| 13:01.00 | themill | !botspank |
| 13:01.00 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 13:01.06 | themill | that'll teach you |
| 13:01.14 | Nyle | RvGaTe^work: you crazy netherlander |
| 13:01.15 | Nyle | whats up |
| 13:01.24 | RvGaTe^work | Nyle, yo... who are you? :P |
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| 13:01.33 | Nyle | dude, I swear to god |
| 13:01.35 | svecias | Hi |
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| 13:01.52 | RvGaTe^work | Nyle, give me a hint... |
| 13:01.53 | svecias | How should I reinstall all packages from old source to new ones? |
| 13:01.57 | Nyle | RvGaTe^work: pot. |
| 13:02.08 | RvGaTe^work | pot. ? |
| 13:02.09 | abrotman | RvGaTe^work: his other nick is 'stoned' |
| 13:02.10 | Nyle | drugs? |
| 13:02.24 | RvGaTe^work | drugs... gotta be stoned... :P |
| 13:02.34 | Nyle | who else but I |
| 13:02.41 | RvGaTe^work | well, me? i dont know... |
| 13:02.42 | Nyle | anyway off to work I go |
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| 13:02.51 | mooper | How do I mount a usbstick? |
| 13:02.59 | mooper | and can I make it automatic? |
| 13:02.59 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 13:03.02 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 13:03.11 | RvGaTe^work | mooper, lol, that made me laugh ! :P |
| 13:03.46 | F1r3B1rd | wow...damn... |
| 13:03.58 | Meglo | ? |
| 13:04.17 | F1r3B1rd | is there a right or a wrong way to ask dpkg something? |
| 13:04.31 | RvGaTe^work | F1r3B1rd, well... always be polite... |
| 13:04.41 | F1r3B1rd | i'll try... |
| 13:04.53 | themill | F1r3B1rd: best to ask the channel and if dpkg knows the answer, someone will get it to spit the factoid |
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| 13:05.21 | themill | F1r3B1rd: it has 37635 factoids in it's db, but you need to know what they are called. |
| 13:05.27 | RvGaTe^work | F1r3B1rd, and if you have a question regarding... lets say.... nvidia.... you just msg him some keywords... |
| 13:05.46 | F1r3B1rd | cause... svecias asked sometinh and then mooper asked... and it only answered mooper... that's why i'm asking |
| 13:05.50 | RvGaTe^work | and if you dont know, we'll do something like... |
| 13:05.57 | RvGaTe^work | !tell F1r3B1rd about me |
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| 13:06.03 | F1r3B1rd | ...ok... |
| 13:06.15 | bullium | I'm using putty to connect to 4.0 install and have the translation set to UTF-8 in Putty and locales shows debian is in fact set for en UTF-8. Problem is some menus don't look correct. Aptitude is a good example |
| 13:06.16 | RvGaTe^work | !tell F1r3B1rd about RvGaTe |
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| 13:06.36 | themill | F1r3B1rd: that's because we're not yet sure what svecias is asking... |
| 13:06.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:06.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:06.46 | F1r3B1rd | NICE!!! |
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| 13:06.50 | abrotman | bah .. still lagging |
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| 13:07.03 | themill | abrotman: not too badly though |
| 13:07.07 | abrotman | bullium: it's not just you |
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| 13:07.11 | F1r3B1rd | nice... that's really cool... |
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| 13:07.15 | abrotman | themill: and he wasn't lagging badly earlier either ... |
| 13:07.21 | F1r3B1rd | tks A LOT |
| 13:07.22 | F1r3B1rd | !! |
| 13:07.25 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 13:07.28 | bullium | abrotman: ok it's a common problem? |
| 13:07.29 | themill | ok. he's lagging |
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| 13:07.44 | zmotok | hey guys, in what log would a crash (due to insufficient ram) be logged? (debian sid user here) |
| 13:08.12 | themill | bullium: you need to pick the right font for putty in its settings. |
| 13:08.21 | bullium | zmotok: /etc/messages maybe? |
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| 13:08.48 | zmotok | nope, nothing there :-s |
| 13:08.48 | themill | bullium: I played around with it a while ago and got it to work, but can't remember what worked in the end. |
| 13:08.58 | zmotok | nor in syslog/kern logs |
| 13:09.08 | bullium | themill: what would the best font be to use? I've tried Lucida Console as well as courier and courier new |
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| 13:13.39 | bullium | zmotok: how about running dmesg? |
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| 13:19.58 | Joran | hi all, it seems that the initramfs that is installed by -testing isn't reliably giving my usb sticks device nodes (I have a very annoying setup where I have 5 sata disks(which form md0-3), and 2 usb sticks, mirrored as md4 to boot from (sata controller unbootable). Of course the /dev/sdf1 and g1 devices not being accessible, my root fs (on md4) is then unbootable :( |
| 13:20.09 | svecias | How should I reinstall all packages from old source to new packages from new source (sources.list and apt-get)? |
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| 13:20.28 | Joran | anyone got any bright ideas how to fix that? |
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| 13:20.51 | wols | Joran: use another kernel? compile your own? |
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| 13:21.04 | wols | svecias: dist-upgreade perhaps? |
| 13:21.06 | themill | svecias: do you mean update the packages to their latest versions? |
| 13:21.38 | svecias | themill: not quite |
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| 13:22.17 | svecias | themill: I want to make Debian 4 distribution from ubuntu (maybe 7.04) |
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| 13:22.21 | Joran | wols: I'm not very familiar with apt - is there a way to select a different kernel version? |
| 13:22.38 | wols | Joran: of course there is. apt-get install |
| 13:22.46 | themill | svecias: ah... "dpkg --get-selections" will give you a list of packages that you've got installed. |
| 13:22.55 | themill | !tell svecias about reinstall |
| 13:23.04 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 13:23.16 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 13:23.17 | themill | svecias: there are some ideas in there for you |
| 13:23.26 | Joran | apt-get install linux-image-486? that seems to do nothing to the grub menu at least |
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| 13:24.11 | themill | Joran: debian kernels install themselves into your grub menu.lst |
| 13:24.18 | svecias | themill: Thanks |
| 13:24.46 | Joran | themill : okay, but how do I select a different kernel in apt? |
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| 13:24.58 | wols | Joran: by installing it |
| 13:25.19 | wols | and linux-image-486 won't give you a different kernel. it's a metapackage |
| 13:25.34 | Joran | wols: then please correct me |
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| 13:25.41 | wols | you also neeed a different kernel VERSION, possibly a backport from somewhere or an etch version |
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| 13:25.51 | iguanna | hi all |
| 13:26.23 | Joran | the kernel from -testing from about a week/fortnight ago worked fine, but not the current one |
| 13:26.37 | wols | then use that kernel |
| 13:26.48 | Joran | wols: again, I ask how to get that |
| 13:27.16 | wols | Joran: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 13:27.40 | themill | Joran: or from your apt cache |
| 13:28.11 | Joran | themill - the apt cache isn't there - this is a new install on the same hardware |
| 13:28.14 | Joran | :( |
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| 13:29.22 | Joran | and this rescue terminal is worse than useless :( |
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| 13:32.59 | lu-bao | !ipw3945 |
| 13:33.10 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 13:34.03 | Joran | how do I get a decent TERM setting in the rescue shell - it's impossible to edit anything! |
| 13:34.04 | dimir | !nickometer |^o_o^| |
| 13:34.16 | dpkg | '|^o_o^|' is 99.850% lame, dimir |
| 13:34.22 | dimir | \o/ |
| 13:34.23 | dimir | :-D |
| 13:34.25 | Tallu | haha, that's pretty good |
| 13:34.29 | lu-bao | lol |
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| 13:34.39 | wsdo_okadr | !nickometer wsdo_okadr |
| 13:34.42 | Ramattack | Hi mates... |
| 13:34.43 | abrotman | if he would use 0s for his eyes .. it'd be higher |
| 13:34.50 | Ramattack | wich locales for are debian packages compiled? |
| 13:34.52 | dpkg | 'wsdo_okadr' is 14.000% lame, wsdo_okadr |
| 13:35.10 | Joran | anyone? how can I edit things in the rescue terminal? |
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| 13:35.20 | themill | with ed ... |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | Joran: what are you trying to edit? |
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| 13:35.38 | dimir | Joran: export TERM=xterm |
| 13:35.41 | dimir | or something |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | or vt100 |
| 13:35.48 | Joran | sources.list, menu.lst, anything - the problem is no TERM setting works |
| 13:35.57 | Joran | even vt100 doesn't work |
| 13:36.00 | dimir | or linux |
| 13:36.18 | Ramattack | anyone who knows this please? |
| 13:36.20 | dimir | Joran: export TERM=linux ? |
| 13:36.23 | Joran | ayup, linux doesn't work either |
| 13:36.28 | wsdo_okadr | !nickometer wsdo_okadr |
| 13:36.30 | wsdo_okadr | !nickometer wsdo_okadr |
| 13:36.34 | abrotman | Ramattack: they should work with most |
| 13:36.38 | abrotman | wsdo_okadr: STOP |
| 13:36.42 | dpkg | 'wsdo_okadr' is 14.000% lame, wsdo_okadr |
| 13:36.44 | themill | wsdo_okadr: quit messing with the bot |
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| 13:36.51 | mne | hi, i'm using rsa public keys with ssh to have passwordless logins. Now i would like to to use a different key-pair for other hosts (thus i would have multiple ssh key pairs). how do i do that ? is there a manual or something ? |
| 13:36.53 | DeathGauge | what is the command for adding lines to a file through terminal? I need to add lines but don't want to mess with the permissions to do so |
| 13:36.57 | SlayerXP | wsdo_okadr: if you want to play with the bots, do so by private message or expect to be removed from the channel. |
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| 13:37.11 | \amethyst | mne: man ssh, look for -i |
| 13:37.13 | SlayerXP | DeathGauge: "vi filename" |
| 13:37.13 | abrotman | he really shouldn't be messing with dpkg at all . he's having issues |
| 13:37.15 | Joran | nothing I've tried works :( ansi, linux, vt100, vt102.... all of them |
| 13:37.16 | svecias | Could someone give me official stable debian 4 sources.list? |
| 13:37.18 | Ramattack | so if I do apt-get install locales-all and use a debian package for example... proftpd I could upload to it chinese text files and they shouldn't become corrupt? |
| 13:37.18 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: what happens if I don't want to ? |
| 13:37.24 | abrotman | svecias: man sources.list |
| 13:37.30 | abrotman | wsdo_okadr: then we'll ask for you to be removed |
| 13:37.35 | mne | \amethyst, i'll have a look, thanks |
| 13:37.38 | DeathGauge | oh yeah forgot about that :o |
| 13:37.52 | \amethyst | mne: also the -f argument to ssh-keygen |
| 13:37.54 | abrotman | svecias: also see debian.org/mirrors |
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| 13:38.27 | Ramattack | or any other way question how could I see wich locales are supported by a debian package? |
| 13:38.29 | Joran | it just makes no sense for a rescue shell to be so poorly configured that you can't edit files |
| 13:38.47 | dimir | Joran: self-made rescue CD? |
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| 13:39.01 | Joran | no, the lenny netinst disk |
| 13:39.15 | mne | \amethyst, but then i would have to specify the corresponding identity files each time. there are things like seahorse of ssh-agent that should to that automatically, right ? it would be nice to have a host-identity file mapping |
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| 13:39.17 | \amethyst | Ramattack: maybe dpkg -L packagename | grep '\.mo$' |
| 13:39.23 | svecias | abrotman: I don't find link for the sources.list |
| 13:39.25 | \amethyst | Ramattack: look for all the .mo files in the package |
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| 13:39.54 | Haris_ | Hello people |
| 13:39.54 | Joran | it's rediculous - I can't fix a damn thing :( |
| 13:40.01 | Haris_ | Does this qualify as good? -> http://pastebin.ca/724266 |
| 13:40.08 | tiny | Hi! When installing on RAID6 why is it important to declare spare. What id spare disk dies? Does it have any significance at all? |
| 13:40.12 | dimir | Joran: I used rescue with etch netinst, never had problems like that. Or was it just installer->Ctrl+Alt+F2->activate console |
| 13:40.28 | tiny | what if* |
| 13:40.35 | svecias | !tell svecias sources.list |
| 13:40.57 | Joran | dimir: now that's more useful - that term is set to linux |
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| 13:41.22 | svecias | !tell svecias sources list |
| 13:41.51 | dimir | dpkg is slow |
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| 13:44.29 | mne | \amethyst, you brought me to the right way ;) After generating another identity i can add it to the ssh-agent with ssh-add. When connecting, it then tries automatically tries all identities. thank you |
| 13:44.29 | Ramattack | cant find .mo files |
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| 13:44.51 | Ramattack | sorry sorry.. one moment |
| 13:45.17 | \amethyst | Ramattack: some translations are going to come from libc probably |
| 13:45.34 | Ramattack | so in japan or in arabian? how do they do? |
| 13:45.36 | Ramattack | in english? |
| 13:45.43 | Ramattack | for computing? |
| 13:45.52 | abrotman | svecias: man sources.list |
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| 13:46.18 | Ramattack | so they're consoles are english?? |
| 13:46.20 | Ramattack | or... |
| 13:46.23 | lu-bao | okay module runs well :) |
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| 13:47.33 | Ramattack | how do they manage? |
| 13:47.40 | Bladerunner05 | I need to run a service like a normal user but it return error writing /var/run |
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| 13:48.39 | Ramattack | \amethyst, how do they manage? or... how do they do? for example for uploading things to an ftp and not to become corrupt? |
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| 13:50.34 | Joran | okay, right, so it's not the kernel rev, I think the devices are just slow and need more time to come up.... |
| 13:50.52 | DustyBin | Joran: give them a kick |
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| 13:50.59 | Joran | where can I add a delay in the initramfs? |
| 13:51.03 | dergraf_ | Hi |
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| 13:51.34 | Ramattack | \amethyst, this doesn't work... |
| 13:52.10 | DustyBin | what is the name of a package what does software raid? |
| 13:52.17 | Joran | mdadm |
| 13:52.22 | DustyBin | thnx |
| 13:52.36 | dergraf_ | I did "rm -rf /var/lib" by accident. Is there a way to recreate the apt/dpkg files so I can install software again? |
| 13:52.42 | Joran | ooooh... rootdelay? does this do what I think it does? |
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| 13:52.47 | Ramattack | I can't see any .mo files |
| 13:52.49 | DustyBin | performance wise, how does software raid compare with dedicated hardware? |
| 13:53.03 | Joran | faster by and large :-) |
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| 13:53.28 | DustyBin | i guess there is only a selected few cards what work with linux |
| 13:53.30 | lu-bao | how do i get flash support inside epiphany and firefox? :) |
| 13:53.49 | mick_work | dergraf_: when you find that out - please let me know :) |
| 13:53.50 | RvGaTe^work | DustyBin, to let people know it might not have a great impact on performance if you choose a cheaper software wise solution? dunno... |
| 13:54.00 | Joran | I had a 3ware card and it performed quite a bit faster in single disks swraided than hwraid presenting one device |
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| 13:54.36 | Ramattack | could anyone know something about this please?? is a topic that worries me.... |
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| 13:54.52 | utopia_ | lu-bao, flash support was installed alongside iceweasal for me.. aptitude search flash should help you |
| 13:54.59 | makk | lu-bao: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla worked for me... |
| 13:55.00 | dergraf_ | I recreated all directories apt-get was complaining about and now "apt-get update" and "apt-get install bla" kinda work. |
| 13:55.02 | RvGaTe^work | Ramattack, its creapy and full of wierdo's? :P |
| 13:55.04 | Joran | plus you have the advantage with software raid of no proprietry sw to manage the disks |
| 13:55.05 | lu-bao | utopia_ okies :) |
| 13:55.14 | mick_work | anyone here use ktorrent? i'm curious since I've noticed that it can saturate the whole network. is that normal? |
| 13:55.16 | lu-bao | i didnt got flash with iceweasel hehe |
| 13:55.26 | dergraf_ | apt-get install downloads the packages, but it always displays the error "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6" |
| 13:55.45 | DustyBin | i use ktorrent |
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| 13:55.59 | Ramattack | RvGaTe^work, sorry for my english |
| 13:56.01 | DustyBin | mick_work: use traffic shaping on your firewall |
| 13:56.01 | Joran | wooo hoooooooo! rootdelay=20 on the kernel line fixes it perfectly |
| 13:56.03 | Ramattack | can't understand you |
| 13:56.21 | RvGaTe^work | Ramattack, my fault... bad joke.. never mind... happens allot |
| 13:56.52 | lu-bao | utopia_ but does that work with epiphany too? |
| 13:56.53 | Haris | Hello people |
| 13:57.03 | Ramattack | \amethyst, could you know please how to see this? the last doesn't work... no files with .mo... |
| 13:57.04 | Haris | Have anyone seen any issues with php4.4.4 on debian 3.1 or 4.x? |
| 13:57.11 | mick_work | DustyBin: will do. it annoyed the hell out of me. and i verified that it is indeed ktorrent. i went to another network and all of a sudden people around me had a huge delay (even w/ ICMP related tools like ping) |
| 13:57.32 | DustyBin | you really do need to shape your traffic |
| 13:57.39 | Joran | that's one of the things about torrents |
| 13:57.41 | utopia_ | lu-bao, afaik yeah |
| 13:57.42 | mick_work | Haris: besides it being ancient? well look at the bts |
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| 14:00.11 | dergraf_ | i'll try to create a new debian environment with deboostrap and copy /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt over from there. maybe this will work |
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| 14:01.14 | DustyBin | what is netcat used for? |
| 14:01.30 | \amethyst | DustyBin: network communication from shell scripts |
| 14:01.48 | DustyBin | interesting |
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| 14:02.22 | DustyBin | i could create a shell script, and log into it via netcat? |
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| 14:02.46 | mick_work | DustyBin: be careful w/ nc -- you can bite yourself in the foot |
| 14:03.03 | DustyBin | how? |
| 14:03.39 | mick_work | DustyBin: it is great for checking if a port is open -- like: nc -v -v 192.168.x.x 22 (ssh is open...) |
| 14:03.49 | DustyBin | ok |
| 14:04.03 | mick_work | DustyBin: but you can also listen for communication -- which you can have someone drop to a shell |
| 14:04.09 | DustyBin | can you log into a windows shell with nc ? |
| 14:04.19 | mick_work | never tried |
| 14:04.22 | \amethyst | windows shell? |
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| 14:04.55 | wols | DustyBin: if you run a telnetd on windows, you probably can |
| 14:05.04 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 14:05.25 | wols | but /usr/bin/telnet is still better to use |
| 14:05.26 | Meglo | Guys do you know the root dns servers IP addresses, im going to pingflood them >:O |
| 14:05.29 | mick_work | DustyBin: i'm not on windows but try: nc -l -p31337 -d -e cmd.exe –L |
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| 14:05.57 | wols | Meglo: you have a lot to learn before you can become even a script kiddie |
| 14:05.58 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 14:05.59 | reiser2 | Hi |
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| 14:06.05 | kryl | hi |
| 14:06.20 | mick_work | Meglo: yup - try this i.p. -> 69.144.136.61 -- that is a root server |
| 14:06.25 | kryl | is there a tool to identify the charset of a document ? and is it possible to convert from utf8 to iso-8859-15 ? |
| 14:06.28 | Meglo | wols: cant take a joke :( |
| 14:06.37 | Ramattack | bye mates time to go! thanks! |
| 14:06.43 | mick_work | kryl: iconv iirc |
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| 14:06.56 | kryl | iconv -f utf8 -t iso-8859-1 <liste.csv > lis |
| 14:06.56 | kryl | iconv: Séquence d'échappement illégale à la position 3704 |
| 14:07.15 | kryl | not sure :-( |
| 14:07.16 | wols | Meglo: dcn't stop at your dayjob when you attempt to start up a stand-up career |
| 14:07.23 | abrotman | file maybe ? |
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| 14:07.55 | Meglo | wols, awwww that cut deep :) |
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| 14:11.04 | convivial | hellO! |
| 14:11.11 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 14:11.37 | convivial | how do I get "sort" to order a file by length of each oine? |
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| 14:11.44 | convivial | *line |
| 14:11.46 | Haris | How do I update the index of installed packages? so apt-cache doesn't list them in the potential packages for installation. Any such thing on sarge/etch? |
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| 14:13.36 | themill | Haris: apt-cache lists package that is in a repo referred to by your sources.list |
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| 14:14.26 | F1r3B1rd | nice... |
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| 14:14.40 | \amethyst | convivial: perl -e 'print sort { length $a <=> length $b } (<>)' |
| 14:14.56 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 14:16.09 | svecias | !tell svecias about reinstall |
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| 14:16.49 | kryl | I have a big problem :) |
| 14:17.04 | kryl | do u know the default charset of etch distrib please? |
| 14:17.04 | gryfel | kryl: Tell us more |
| 14:17.36 | svecias | Could someone give me link to official stable repositories? |
| 14:17.50 | gryfel | i guess utf-8, but not sure.... |
| 14:18.14 | gryfel | I've choosen from installer |
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| 14:18.41 | Azar | svecias: you mean you want to view available packages or a /etc/apt/sources.list source line? |
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| 14:19.04 | svecias | Azar: No |
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| 14:19.17 | svecias | Azar: I need official repositories list |
| 14:19.27 | Azar | apt-setup maybe |
| 14:19.32 | kryl | ok |
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| 14:21.12 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.12 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.19 | Haris | How can I install these deps? |
| 14:21.31 | Azar | use aptitude command? |
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| 14:21.44 | Ronin | !tell svecias about sources |
| 14:22.03 | Haris | it says; |
| 14:22.05 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.05 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.05 | Haris | E: Broken packages |
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| 14:22.17 | Haris | Should I be worried about the E: ???? |
| 14:22.28 | Azar | Haris: if they are broken, well they will possibly not be installed |
| 14:23.08 | Azar | Haris: installed with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 14:23.10 | gryfel | Haris: Apt-get remove --purge php4-common |
| 14:23.10 | Haris | Can I check which source apt-get found these packages on/from? |
| 14:23.20 | rati | I want to setup mailserver. from where I can start? |
| 14:23.39 | svecias | I know about that fuckin apt sources.list file |
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| 14:23.48 | Ronin | rati: check with your isp and see if you're allowe to |
| 14:23.49 | svecias | But I need official repositories! |
| 14:23.49 | gryfel | and the packages that need it |
| 14:23.51 | Azar | Haris: remove with apt-get remove, install back with aptitude |
| 14:23.55 | glen_quagmire | hey, is there a way to disable PC speaker bell sound? |
| 14:23.56 | svecias | I don't have them |
| 14:24.05 | Ronin | svecias: did you read it? then you know to ask about mirrors then |
| 14:24.08 | svecias | And I need addreses |
| 14:24.13 | svecias | Yap |
| 14:24.14 | wols | !tell svecias about mirrors |
| 14:24.18 | svecias | I need mirrors |
| 14:24.29 | svecias | Official stable debian 4 mirrors |
| 14:24.34 | rati | Ronin, I want to setup it for internal network and just testing purpouse |
| 14:24.36 | Haris | damned! |
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| 14:24.43 | glen_quagmire | what do you think about webmin? |
| 14:24.43 | wols | svecias: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 14:24.47 | Haris | It will do a major overall of plesk if I remove php4-common |
| 14:24.59 | wols | glen_quagmire: pure shit. |
| 14:25.13 | glen_quagmire | my boss wants me to install it |
| 14:25.26 | glen_quagmire | but first i have to disable this pc speaker and install xorg |
| 14:25.39 | Haris | Can I have deps of php4-common and just remove and re-install the newer version? |
| 14:25.58 | wols | Haris: apt-cache policy php4-common |
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| 14:26.10 | Azar | Haris: newer versions are not going into Debian stable, want newer versions use backports |
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| 14:26.23 | suwro | hello |
| 14:26.39 | wols | Azar: read the apt output he foolishly pasted more carefully |
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| 14:26.56 | wols | Haris: no backports needed |
| 14:27.03 | Azar | wols: ah.. |
| 14:27.15 | wols | Haris: the question is: how did you upgrade to etch and where did you get your php4-common from? |
| 14:27.15 | tarzeau | does ifconfig | grep RX , have an overflow at about 4 GB on 32bit systems? |
| 14:27.23 | wols | tarzeau: yes |
| 14:27.31 | suwro | i don't have a prism or atheros wireles - needed by hostap to setup an AP - is there any other application for AP for bcm43xx wireless card -- i have only 2 laptops - i need to share files between them |
| 14:27.31 | Haris | when I run apt-get remove --purge php4-common, it says, it'll install php5, which I don't want to do atm. |
| 14:27.42 | Haris | I just want to install php4-curl and and curl support in php |
| 14:27.58 | wols | Haris: just install the proper php4-common. nothing you need to remove |
| 14:28.00 | Haris | wols: Plesk |
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| 14:28.07 | Haris | wols: ? |
| 14:28.13 | mick_work | plesk is hell |
| 14:28.15 | wols | Haris: for plesk: see !webmin |
| 14:28.22 | mick_work | it likes to break things left and right |
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| 14:28.35 | n1kt0 | hi2all |
| 14:28.39 | mick_work | i have used plesk a lot |
| 14:28.41 | suwro | anyone here who made a host ap ?? |
| 14:28.50 | Haris | Review: http://pastebin.ca/724319 |
| 14:29.02 | tarzeau | wols: i'd love to have it fixed :( |
| 14:29.22 | Azar | Haris: follow advices here, from people who have experienced packages, what it works in some other distro might not work well with Debian |
| 14:29.25 | Ronin | rati: then just install one if you havent all ready, exim4 is debians default iirc |
| 14:29.46 | wols | !info http://pastebin.ca/724319 |
| 14:29.46 | Haris | Azar: This is sarge |
| 14:29.56 | Haris | Azar: ..having stable in sources.list |
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| 14:30.11 | Azar | Haris: ahhhhhhhhh well.... you got choices, you could upgrade nicely to Etch and use higher versions of stuff you want |
| 14:30.15 | wols | Haris: then it's NOT sarge. fix your sources.list and pray. and update to etch soonish |
| 14:30.17 | misreckoning | I have upgraded to lenny, now I think about upgrading the kernel (I hope it will resolve some problems with suspend/hibernate), so, what should I do - I'm working on Turion X2 laptop |
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| 14:30.32 | wols | misreckoning: just install the kernel you want |
| 14:30.47 | Haris | Anyway I could avoid upgrading to etch and still have be able to install php4-curl? |
| 14:30.51 | misreckoning | wols: which is ... ? k7? |
| 14:30.52 | Azar | Haris: "stable" is now Etch... Sarge is the "old stable" modify your sources.list to replace "stable" with "Sarge" or dist-upgrade to Etch using aptitude |
| 14:31.29 | tarzeau | wols: ouf. netstat has the same problem |
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| 14:31.34 | wols | Haris: you are NOT running sarge. sarge has php4 4.4 |
| 14:31.51 | wols | tarzeau: imho it's a kernel problem. the value in /proc is probably 32bit |
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| 14:31.57 | tarzeau | both from the net-tools pkg, /me checks bugs.d.o |
| 14:31.57 | Azar | Haris: by using "stable" in your sources list everytime you did an update/upgrade or install you have mixed Etch with Sarge: now you got a mess |
| 14:32.03 | tarzeau | wols: i see |
| 14:32.04 | wols | Azar: he isn't running sarge either |
| 14:32.16 | Azar | wols: yes, I guess is some mixture there |
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| 14:32.38 | wols | Azar: no. he is either running parts of woody or a nonofficial php: sarge had php 4.4 |
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| 14:32.53 | wols | oops. : is not . :( |
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| 14:33.00 | Haris | wols: Well, I have php4 4.4.3 |
| 14:33.00 | Azar | omg, going with "stable" in sources.list since woody install.. |
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| 14:33.36 | Haris | Azar: I hope a dist-upgrade can solve that. |
| 14:33.37 | wols | Haris: no. you have php 4:4.3 in a outdated, ecploitable version. sarge has 4:4.3.10-22 and it also has php4-curl |
| 14:33.41 | Haris | Although I still need php4. |
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| 14:33.47 | wols | Haris: no it won't |
| 14:33.56 | wols | !tell Haris about sarge->etch |
| 14:34.04 | Haris | wols: I do have that exact php version, but it doesn't have curl in it |
| 14:34.17 | Haris | curl now requires php4 4.4.4- |
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| 14:34.42 | wols | Haris: I told you before: fix your sources.list if you want to stay in sarge. "stable" is etch now |
| 14:34.45 | Azar | Haris: I guess you got a very unbalanced mangle of packages there due to this minor "ommission" in sources.lsit |
| 14:34.49 | wols | and sarge had php4-curl |
| 14:35.11 | Haris | wols: In the old days, yes. Not now |
| 14:35.35 | wols | Haris: you are wrong http://packages.debian.org/sarge/php4-curl |
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| 14:35.49 | Azar | Haris: replace "stable" with "Sarge" like so on every line on your sources.list: deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 14:36.08 | wols | his php stuff, being php comes from security.debian.org |
| 14:36.15 | Haris | When I change stable to sarge, after apt-get update. I still get depends on 4.4.4-something on apt-get install php4-curl |
| 14:36.15 | Azar | Haris: then do : aptitude update.... aptitude upgrade |
| 14:36.25 | mandel | hi, I installed debian unstable yesterday from ground up and now every click in my x11-window system is a double click. That's quite annoying. Anyone experienced this?(I use fluxbox, but thar should be no problem) |
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| 14:36.53 | Azar | Haris: backwards, correct sources.list, THEN do aptitude update |
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| 14:37.16 | Haris | I see |
| 14:37.30 | Azar | this will redirect apt to look in the right repo |
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| 14:37.31 | Haris | Azar: why doesn't ftp.dolphins.ch have it :| |
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| 14:37.43 | Haris | Azar: I have sarge in sources.list atm. |
| 14:37.49 | Azar | Haris: I have no idea about dolphins |
| 14:38.00 | Haris | that's a debian mirror I suppose |
| 14:38.01 | Azar | ask tarzeau, he is on that area |
| 14:38.02 | wols | Haris: use a official debian mirror |
| 14:38.03 | Haris | in .ch county |
| 14:38.05 | Haris | country |
| 14:38.11 | Haris | wols: Which one? |
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| 14:38.17 | Joran | okay, here's a very odd one - samba+winbind against another samba PDC - I can actually log in at the terminal using domain users and passwords, but not access samba shares for the same username/password |
| 14:38.23 | wols | !tell Haris about sources.list |
| 14:38.25 | Azar | oh shit |
| 14:38.33 | Azar | wols, sarge archives have moved! |
| 14:38.34 | tomdick | i need to get a >=2.6.21 kernel installed on an etch machine to support it's attansic network adapter. what files and dependencies do i need to download to get all that working? |
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| 14:38.41 | Azar | or not? |
| 14:38.41 | oxiii | hello |
| 14:38.55 | Azar | oh no, is woody who moved |
| 14:39.17 | \amethyst | tomdick: do you have any third-party modules (like nvidia or fglrx)? |
| 14:39.20 | abrotman | tomdick: look at backports.org .. read the instructions .. they have a .22 backported already |
| 14:39.25 | wols | but this is all moot. he needs security debian.org for his php packages |
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| 14:39.32 | wols | but he's to dense to ever read anything |
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| 14:40.15 | wad | Is there a command that does both head and tail? I'd like to see just the first few lines, and the first last few lines, with nothing in between. |
| 14:40.26 | Haris | wols: Yes, I agree |
| 14:40.34 | tarzeau | wad: sed can do that, or you combine head and tail with pipes |
| 14:40.44 | \amethyst | sed can do that, but not easily |
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| 14:40.50 | wad | combining head and tail won't work, would it? That would give me the tail of the head... |
| 14:41.15 | oxiii | how do I start Tomcat5.5 in Debian with -Djava.security.debug=access,failure ? I have set this on $TOMCAT_OPTS and even $CATALINA_OPTS but it seems no to work. Thanks |
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| 14:41.46 | tarzeau | \amethyst: why not? |
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| 14:42.08 | glen_quagmire | what is recommended debian document for linux users comming from other distribution? |
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| 14:42.19 | glen_quagmire | I want to wiki.debian.org? |
| 14:42.20 | tomdick | \amethyst: no |
| 14:42.28 | wols | !tell glen_quagmire about grounding |
| 14:42.35 | \amethyst | tarzeau: you need to do tricks with the hold space to emulate tail. And getting the correct behaviour if the file is short might be tricky, depending on your definition of "correct behaviour" |
| 14:42.48 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.48 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.56 | wols | dear dondelelcaro, please fix dpkg's lag. kthxbye |
| 14:42.58 | Haris | shEEP! |
| 14:43.06 | glen_quagmire | !grounding |
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| 14:43.09 | tarzeau | midori, what a beautiful webkit browser! |
| 14:43.34 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 14:43.35 | abrotman | the bot is lagging badly |
| 14:43.41 | abrotman | bah .. and no stew |
| 14:43.54 | tomdick | abrotman: unfortunately, i can't get the system in question on the net. could i add backports.org to my sources.list on this machine (testing) and use aptitude to download the new kernel and its dependencies? |
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| 14:44.14 | abrotman | tomdick: testing already has a .22 i think |
| 14:44.22 | Haris | wols: How do I update php4-common to -22? |
| 14:44.36 | abrotman | nope .. testing has a .21 |
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| 14:44.40 | tiny | Will debian installer install grub on a RAID1 (both disks)? |
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| 14:44.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:44.48 | wols | Haris: mapt apt-get |
| 14:44.52 | abrotman | man ? |
| 14:44.55 | Haris | mapt? |
| 14:44.55 | wols | *man |
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| 14:45.06 | tomdick | abrotman: yes, but my machine is testing, it's running .21, but my coworkers new desktop is stable and he wants to keep it that way |
| 14:45.10 | Haris | I went over the man page alot of times. Which option in man ? |
| 14:45.20 | Haris | upgrade? |
| 14:45.24 | abrotman | tomdick: ah .. but he has no internet ? |
| 14:45.26 | Haris | apt-get upgrade php4-common? |
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| 14:45.34 | tomdick | abrotman: that's right |
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| 14:45.49 | abrotman | tomdick: you can grab the .deb from backports .. look at the deps .. and grab those |
| 14:45.56 | wols | no. you simply install it. but with your fucked and unmaintained debian install since forever, di a dist-upgrade |
| 14:45.57 | tiny | abrotman: was that yes meant for me? |
| 14:46.01 | abrotman | tiny: yes |
| 14:46.12 | wols | all of your php4 needs an upgrade |
| 14:46.24 | wols | §deity only knows how many vulnerabilities there are |
| 14:46.26 | tiny | ok, abrotman I had problems before ... on reboot I got grub error 21 |
| 14:46.26 | abrotman | tiny: if it's swraid .. you'll have to do some setup .. if it's hwraid .. use the controller's config to setup raid1 before the install |
| 14:46.34 | tiny | abrotman: swraid |
| 14:46.41 | glen_quagmire | how do you know the list of users in a system? /etc/passwd ? |
| 14:46.45 | abrotman | getent |
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| 14:47.29 | tiny | abrotman: some setup? :) Can you point to a doc please? |
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| 14:47.38 | glen_quagmire | oh crap i have to set up network first or i'll have to move back and forth from this machine to debian one |
| 14:47.45 | tiny | abrotman: ot you mean running grub-install on both disks |
| 14:47.48 | tiny | *or |
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| 14:47.57 | Haris | upgrading php4-common makes apt-get want to upgrade 97 packages |
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| 14:48.20 | kspath | Haris: good |
| 14:48.21 | Haris | 97 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 41 not upgraded. |
| 14:48.22 | abrotman | tiny: i don't use swraid .. but in the install guide .. it sohuld tell you how |
| 14:48.39 | tiny | abrotman: ok .. I'll check it out |
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| 14:49.24 | northstar | I get this error message http://pastebin.com/d1484ca9c when trying to install a kernel i just compiled. Any ideas?!? |
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| 14:51.39 | PiousMinion | Maybe I have some misinformation, but shouldn't "debootstrap etch /path" create a usable base system in /path ?? |
| 14:52.28 | dergraf_ | yes, it should |
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| 14:53.05 | PiousMinion | It created a nice directory structure, but /bin, /sbin, etc are all empty. |
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| 14:53.44 | tiny | abrotman: I'm not finding this info in install guide :( |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | about how to use swraid ? |
| 14:54.34 | PiousMinion | btw: the directory structure it made cane be found here --> http://clay.servebeer.com/usb/ |
| 14:54.51 | tomdick | abrotman: i added backports to my sources.list and aptitude -t etch-backports download linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64 would any dependencies have been downloaded as well? (the backports packages page seems to be down) |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | tomdick: if they weren't satisfied .. yes |
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| 14:55.58 | abrotman | tiny: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 14:58.44 | Haris | wols: I need directions |
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| 14:59.06 | Haris | Where can one add backports in sources? |
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| 14:59.12 | Haris | in place of sarge, stable? |
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| 15:00.13 | wols | why do you need backports? |
| 15:00.33 | wols | and sarge is not stable anymore |
| 15:00.47 | PiousMinion | ^ not for a while now |
| 15:01.13 | Haris | to get php4:4.3.10-22 I have php4:4.3.10-16 |
| 15:01.47 | wols | read the backlog here. why would you read it now after I told you about it about 2-3 times already? |
| 15:01.49 | abrotman | -22 isn't in backports. . it's a security update |
| 15:02.12 | PiousMinion | heh |
| 15:02.33 | Haris | abrotman: My bad! |
| 15:02.37 | Haris | I need that security update |
| 15:02.40 | abrotman | you've a lot of those :) |
| 15:02.49 | wols | ayou need many of them |
| 15:03.03 | Haris | which mirror to pick up security updates? |
| 15:03.08 | wols | there is none |
| 15:03.19 | Haris | o.o |
| 15:03.26 | wols | and debian put the line for it in your sources.list when you installed it |
| 15:03.28 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ updates/sarge main contrib non-free |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | i htink |
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| 15:03.43 | abrotman | oh .. so close .. |
| 15:03.45 | abrotman | it's sarge/updates |
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| 15:04.07 | Haris | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib <- ? |
| 15:04.14 | Haris | Ok |
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| 15:04.18 | abrotman | NO |
| 15:04.23 | abrotman | i'm going to smack you! |
| 15:04.24 | Haris | replace stable wiht sarge |
| 15:04.25 | arcil | hi. i want to enable the 3d hardware acceleration of my radeon 9800 with the fglrx drivers, so i downloaded the fglrx-drivers and the fglrx-kernel-src and created the kernel module with module-assistant (howto /usr/share/docs/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz) but i cant modprobe the fglrx module i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m6aea85c4 can someone please help me out? |
| 15:04.30 | Haris | in tha tline |
| 15:04.42 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 15:04.57 | Haris | o.o @ non-free |
| 15:05.03 | abrotman | then don't include it |
| 15:05.08 | abrotman | it was just a full line for you |
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| 15:08.46 | Haris | stable was mentioned on the line for the security mirror |
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| 15:08.51 | Haris | changed it to sarge |
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| 15:09.25 | Haris | ii php4-curl 4.3.10-22 CURL module for php4 |
| 15:09.30 | Haris | =) |
| 15:09.33 | dergraf_ | i have no clue why i can't get kerberos to work properly. on my kdc kinit always tells me that it cannot contact the kdc. on any other machines i can get my tickets just fine |
| 15:10.06 | tarzeau | i just stumbled on something very useful (keep you from running out of diskspace), maybe someone else wants it as well: http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/remove-old-kernels |
| 15:10.22 | Haris | Its installed |
| 15:10.33 | Haris | but its not showing in phpinfo(). hmm.. |
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| 15:12.12 | Haris | The install did forcefully restart apache |
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| 15:19.49 | amerinese | Hi I'm trying to connect an external harddrive formatted using ext3 |
| 15:19.54 | Haris | Gone are the days when people used to use OS version latest - 1 |
| 15:19.58 | amerinese | I'm using kernel 2.4 |
| 15:20.22 | amerinese | I connect and I get a message "hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.7-4, assigned address 4" |
| 15:20.30 | amerinese | What does that mean? |
| 15:20.40 | amerinese | And how do I tell what I should be mounting? |
| 15:20.58 | Ronin | Haris: oh theres still all kinds who suffer from the it must be the lasest and greatest |
| 15:21.03 | amerinese | Under /dev, I just get a long list and have no idea if i should be mounting sda1, sda2, sda3, etc. |
| 15:23.09 | damjan|work | I'm using Debian 4.0 netinstall ... can I somehow cuztomize it to install several additional packages by default? (bzip2, iproute, tcpdump, etc...) |
| 15:23.12 | petemc | amerinese: did you try mounting any of them? |
| 15:23.19 | simonrvn | amerinese: means something was found and added to the usb device list of the machine |
| 15:23.52 | Haris | Yehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw |
| 15:23.55 | amerinese | simonrvn: under df i get sd3 is mounted under /, which i assume is the internal harddrive |
| 15:23.55 | Haris | abrotman: It worke |
| 15:23.59 | Haris | abrotman: It worked+ |
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| 15:24.09 | amerinese | but under dev, i have a list of sda[0-10] or whatever |
| 15:24.09 | Haris | I just had to get mad and reboot the box :| |
| 15:24.24 | amerinese | what are all these other devices? |
| 15:24.28 | amerinese | are they really attached devices? |
| 15:24.36 | simonrvn | ignore |
| 15:24.37 | amerinese | or is there somewhere i can check for a list of attached hardware? |
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| 15:25.03 | tiny | abrotman: "Support for MD is a relatively new addition to the installer. You may experience problems for some RAID levels and in combination with some bootloaders if you try to use MD for the root (/) filesystem. For experienced users, it may be possible to work around some of these problems by executing some configuration or installation steps manually from a shell." |
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| 15:25.31 | tiny | abrotman: that's all I get from there. I should prolly install grub manually on both disks. |
| 15:25.35 | amerinese | simonrvn: so given address 4, what does that mean i should be mounting? |
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| 15:25.58 | tiny | abrotman: it's just a question of when. After raid setup or before. |
| 15:26.23 | glen_quagmire | which file decides name of network cards? eth6..etc. I looked at /etc/networks/interfaces . can I change entries eth6 to eth0 ? |
| 15:26.57 | simonrvn | amerinese: read what petemc said... |
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| 15:27.11 | amerinese | petemc: i'm just guessing trying to figure out which is the right one... i'm getting "ext3-fs: unable to read superblock" and other error messages |
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| 15:27.19 | amerinese | but which one should i be mounting? |
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| 15:28.20 | simonrvn | TRY THEM ALL |
| 15:28.29 | wols | !tell glen_quagmire about z25 |
| 15:28.44 | wols | glen_quagmire: udev does |
| 15:28.57 | amerinese | simonrvn: what's the difference between sda and sdh? |
| 15:29.05 | amerinese | which ones should i be guessing? |
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| 15:29.16 | DustyBin | is there a such thing as a Debian 'hackathon' ? |
| 15:29.19 | simonrvn | one's called sda and one's called sdh |
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| 15:29.44 | glen_quagmire | thanks wols |
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| 15:30.30 | ladydoor | DustyBin: Well, there are "bug squashing parties" |
| 15:30.32 | amerinese | simonrvn: are you trolling? |
| 15:30.51 | sebyte | evening all, anyone know if resizing a currently active swap partition (using lvm lvresize) is likely to cause problems. naturally the partition isn't mounted, and it doesn't contain a filesystem does it, so there shouldn't be a problem right? |
| 15:30.55 | damjan|work | amerinese: those are different block devices |
| 15:30.56 | simonrvn | no, are you? |
| 15:31.18 | sebyte | sorry that should be lvm lvreduce |
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| 15:31.28 | damjan|work | sebyte: if it's currently used you will crash the kernel |
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| 15:31.44 | amerinese | damjan: any idea where i should guess that a usb harddrive is connected? is there a logic to this? |
| 15:31.45 | damjan|work | sebyte: swapoff first, resize lvm and recreate the swap |
| 15:32.26 | damjan|work | amerinese: the logic is first come, first letter .. |
| 15:32.34 | simonrvn | amerinese: there is no difference except the one damjan|work said |
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| 15:32.43 | damjan|work | amerinese: but, there are suefull links in /dev/disk/by-* |
| 15:33.07 | damjan|work | amerinese: there are links by FS label, uuid, physical path |
| 15:33.23 | sebyte | damjan|work: whoa! i'm glad i checked! how do i 'recreate the swap' exactly? |
| 15:33.28 | damjan|work | amerinese: by physical path is usefull for USB ... if you know where you pluged it |
| 15:33.34 | simonrvn | sebyte: mkswap |
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| 15:33.54 | tonsofpcs | how can I fsck fix my root filesystems when I am accessing my machine remotely via ssh? |
| 15:34.05 | sebyte | simonrvn: ok, cool. thanks guys :-) |
| 15:34.10 | amerinese | damjan: is this message helpful for locating the physical path: >I connect and I get a message "hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.7-4, assigned address 4" |
| 15:34.12 | amerinese | ? |
| 15:34.15 | damjan|work | tonsofpcs: touch /forcefsck and reboot |
| 15:34.28 | tonsofpcs | damjan|work: that will fsck on reboot then? |
| 15:34.37 | themill | damjan|work: amerinese is using defs on a 2.4 kernel, iirc. |
| 15:34.37 | damjan|work | amerinese: did you look in /dev/disk/by... ? |
| 15:34.47 | damjan|work | tonsofpcs: yes |
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| 15:34.48 | tiny | how bout remounting fs read only and then do fskc |
| 15:34.50 | tonsofpcs | thanks :) |
| 15:34.57 | amerinese | damjan: i don't have that directory... |
| 15:35.08 | amerinese | as mill said, i am on 2.4 kernel |
| 15:35.15 | amerinese | don't know if that makes a difference |
| 15:35.16 | damjan|work | tiny: that's also possible... but I think the running sshd will prohibit it? |
| 15:35.18 | simonrvn | with devfs, ugh |
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| 15:35.26 | damjan|work | amerinese: 2.4 ?!?! that sucks |
| 15:35.31 | damjan|work | amerinese: upgrade :) |
| 15:35.35 | simonrvn | worst thing that went into 2.4.x, by far |
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| 15:35.49 | amerinese | i tried |
| 15:35.57 | amerinese | now i'm backing up and doing a reinstall |
| 15:35.59 | amerinese | haha |
| 15:36.10 | amerinese | and trying to backup to an external disk |
| 15:36.13 | themill | simonrvn: I'm assuming devfs... but it sounds like it. |
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| 15:36.42 | simonrvn | still the crappiest thing EVAR. |
| 15:37.00 | simonrvn | good idea, bad implementation |
| 15:37.09 | Azar | amerinese: you were running debian sarge with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:37.30 | amerinese | azar: how do i check the debian version? |
| 15:37.35 | amerinese | it is 2.4 for sure |
| 15:37.39 | simonrvn | !version |
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| 15:37.49 | Azar | dpkg is sleeping |
| 15:37.50 | tarzeau | lsb_release -d |
| 15:37.51 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 15:37.52 | damjan|work | well amerinese since everybody forgot how 2.4 and devfs worked .. the best way is to just try |
| 15:37.53 | simonrvn | ~version |
| 15:37.54 | apt | version is probably Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:38.07 | simonrvn | ... *headdesk* |
| 15:38.12 | tarzeau | apt version is also lsb_release -d |
| 15:38.12 | apt | tarzeau: okay |
| 15:38.14 | Azar | amerinese: what dpkg shows you |
| 15:38.26 | amerinese | debian 3.1 |
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| 15:38.32 | GN-Test | Hello! |
| 15:38.46 | Azar | amerinese: if you reinstall Debian 3.1 start installing with 2.6 option |
| 15:38.49 | simonrvn | GN-Test: you really a bot? |
| 15:39.07 | Ronin | hello GN-Test |
| 15:39.23 | misreckoning | which kernel is for AMD Turion X2 processors - and I don't want 64bit kernel |
| 15:39.32 | Azar | no I guess GN-Test has an auto greet at join |
| 15:39.37 | \amethyst | misreckoning: -k7 then |
| 15:39.39 | amerinese | azar and everyone kind enough to give suggestions: i definitely want to upgrade, only thing is trying to back up right now! |
| 15:39.39 | misreckoning | I have k7 but does it work well with dualcode? |
| 15:39.46 | misreckoning | *dualcore |
| 15:39.47 | amerinese | def want to get something more supported and recent |
| 15:39.56 | jelly | misreckoning: it has SMP support if that's what you're asking |
| 15:40.01 | \amethyst | misreckoning: in etch and up it does |
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| 15:40.10 | misreckoning | jelly: yes, thanks |
| 15:40.17 | Azar | amerinese: I do not know where are you at right now: reinstalling? |
| 15:40.31 | misreckoning | \amethyst: good, prior to upgrading to new kernel 2.6.21, should I remove the old one? |
| 15:40.38 | wols | no |
| 15:40.43 | amerinese | azar: is there anything wrong with this command "mount -t ext3 /dev/somedevicei'mguessing /mnt/extharddrive/ |
| 15:40.46 | amerinese | ? |
| 15:40.51 | damjan|work | misreckoning: no, keep in case the new doesn't work |
| 15:40.54 | wols | you only remove the old one when you are really sure the new one works as intended |
| 15:40.57 | simonrvn | amerinese: if it's ext3, no |
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| 15:41.10 | misreckoning | damjan|work: thank you! |
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| 15:41.20 | amerinese | ok, i'll guess some more and otherwise might just ftp this stuff off the server |
| 15:41.26 | jelly | misreckoning: -amd64 would work too, I've used it with no problems |
| 15:42.02 | amerinese | besides sda and sdh, any other possibilities? |
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| 15:42.07 | stiv2k | ffs, even though the system beep is disabled in gnome-control-center, it keeps beeping in apps like pidgin and stuff... how on earth do i turn it off cause im in a lecture and its fscking distracting? |
| 15:42.28 | jelly | stiv2k: mute button on hte machine? |
| 15:42.33 | Ronin | stiv2k: kill the volume? stop slacking off on irc during class |
| 15:42.34 | karmatronic | stiv2k: modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 15:42.43 | Azar | amerinese: if you want to "just upgrade" or you reinstall then want to upgrade, read the notes first, from sarge>to etch http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 15:43.32 | karmatronic | stiv2k: my wide appreciated this particular tip |
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| 15:43.59 | abrotman | !beer |
| 15:44.01 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 15:44.01 | abrotman | !beep |
| 15:44.04 | abrotman | i was close |
| 15:44.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 15:44.11 | Haris | !beep |
| 15:44.13 | themill | abrotman: how very freudian |
| 15:44.15 | dpkg | i heard beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
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| 15:44.23 | perlmonkey | I'm getting an error after trying to compile some software saying I need gtk-config, but i can't locate the package. what is that? |
| 15:44.23 | abrotman | Haris: once is enough .. thanks |
| 15:44.25 | simonrvn | amerinese: anything in between |
| 15:44.26 | Haris | its lagging |
| 15:44.27 | dpkg | methinks beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 15:44.27 | damjan|work | So ... I'm using Debian 4.0 netinstall ... can I somehow customize it to install several additional packages by default? (bzip2, iproute, tcpdump, etc...) |
| 15:44.36 | abrotman | Haris: NO SHIT .. doesn't mean you should do it again |
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| 15:44.52 | abrotman | perlmonkey: probably libgtk2.0-dev or sonmething like that |
| 15:44.59 | Haris | abrotman: *laugh*. I just had to find out what *beep* meant. |
| 15:45.03 | perlmonkey | abrotman: ahh many thanks |
| 15:45.04 | abrotman | tard |
| 15:45.12 | abrotman | perlmonkey: you're welcome |
| 15:45.32 | karmatronic | damjan|work: well just apt-get the one you want , but using the minimal installation |
| 15:45.52 | damjan|work | karmatronic: I know that... I want to automate it |
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| 15:46.36 | tomdick | abrotman: i'm running the 686 arch, and coworker is using amd64 so the packages i downloaded via aptitude aren't working. do you know the real path to the files on backports.org so that i can d/l them with a browser? |
| 15:47.16 | abrotman | tomdick: you can browse them at backports.org |
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| 15:47.26 | misreckoning | jelly: but if I use amd64 - other programs can remain 32bit, only the modules need to be 64bit (so, I have to do recompile of alsa, madwifi and etc?) |
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| 15:48.03 | glen_quagmire | To not load pcspkr at boot up, do I put it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? or is there a commandline tool that manages modules/daemons loaded up ? |
| 15:48.27 | tomdick | abrotman: heh, just came back to say nevermind (found them) |
| 15:48.32 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:48.36 | wols | !tell glen_quagmire about blacklist |
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| 15:49.17 | Azar | wols: is there any particular tool that autoloads modules at bootup? |
| 15:49.19 | karmatronic | glen_quagmire: blacklist it yeah |
| 15:49.22 | glen_quagmire | thanks again |
| 15:49.26 | abrotman | about three |
| 15:49.41 | Azar | abrotman, which ones? :) |
| 15:49.52 | wols | initrd, some init.d script, possibly udev, etc |
| 15:50.04 | Azar | :) thanks for the info |
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| 15:50.13 | karmatronic | Azar: and /etc/modules too |
| 15:50.38 | Azar | karmatronic: that one I guess is manually configurable... |
| 15:51.00 | Haris | Azar: wols: abrotman: Wyzard: Thanks people |
| 15:51.11 | karmatronic | Azar: my mistake :) |
| 15:51.14 | jelly | misreckoning: yes. I guess that's the point of having it in i386 distro |
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| 15:51.16 | amerinese | thanks everyone for the help, going with ftp |
| 15:51.19 | amerinese | shouldn't take too long |
| 15:51.23 | quhan | hi, i use a notebook, there is a build-in webcam, how could I use it?? |
| 15:51.23 | Azar | karmatronic: not at all, worht mentioning |
| 15:51.30 | misreckoning | jelly: thanks, I just wasn't so sure about it :) |
| 15:51.38 | abrotman | Azar: udev/discover/hotplug .. maybe a few others i'm not thinking of |
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| 15:51.53 | petemc | quhan: best bet is to check one of the linux laptop sites, see what other people with the same model dud |
| 15:51.53 | Azar | abrotman: :) sweet |
| 15:51.56 | petemc | s/dud/did/ |
| 15:52.37 | rati | I want to use mailserver what shouls I use? |
| 15:52.43 | quhan | petemc: give me some address?? |
| 15:52.46 | rati | s/use/setup |
| 15:52.49 | petemc | quhan: www.google.com |
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| 15:53.25 | karmatronic | rati: postfix |
| 15:53.33 | petemc | !laptop |
| 15:53.49 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 15:54.31 | rati | karmatronic, Is postfix is a mailserver and MTA? |
| 15:55.21 | Ronin | !postfix |
| 15:55.29 | Ronin | oh ya lag city, i forgot |
| 15:55.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
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| 15:56.22 | hark | rati: what's the difference? |
| 15:56.43 | Haris | *laugh* |
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| 15:57.17 | rati | hark, dont know because I want to taste antispam so I have to setup mailserver |
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| 15:57.48 | karmatronic | rati: taste or test ? |
| 15:58.36 | Ronin | taste antispam? that anything like anitpasto? |
| 15:58.41 | Ronin | pesto even |
| 15:58.49 | petemc | antipesto? |
| 15:59.02 | Haris | lol |
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| 15:59.34 | rati | test antispam, with spamassassin |
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| 15:59.51 | Haris | That reminds me, I need to play with simscan and dspam |
| 16:00.04 | Haris | damned piled reading list :| |
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| 16:00.39 | gmcinnes | anyone know if there's a way to keep an x program running after I log out of the x server? |
| 16:00.57 | petemc | gmcinnes: i use nx which has a suspend feature |
| 16:01.11 | damjan|work | gmcinnes: you can start it in vncserver |
| 16:01.58 | gmcinnes | petemc: nx is nice. don't think it's suspend I want though. I have vnc started by gdm so I can do remote logins that way, but when I close the connection it logs me out and kills the apps I have running. |
| 16:02.07 | hark | rati: yeah, either postfix or exim |
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| 16:02.13 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 16:02.16 | gmcinnes | anything I can frob in gdm to not log me out? |
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| 16:02.54 | rati | hark, thanx a lot. can you tell me from where I can start to configure? |
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| 16:03.09 | Nazcafan | Is there something wrong with mips and mipsel archs ? I noticed that some packages can not go to testing because they failed to compile for these two archs, (like icedove 2 and vlc) |
| 16:04.09 | valdyn | Nazcafan: why would that mean that something is wrong with that arch? |
| 16:04.40 | Nazcafan | valdyn: I don't know, the libc6 or glib could have problems so the source packages won't compile |
| 16:04.46 | valdyn | Nazcafan: debian is the only distro support that many archs, most software is not really tested in the less popular ones |
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| 16:04.57 | valdyn | Nazcafan: before debian does it, i mean |
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| 16:05.40 | Nazcafan | valdyn: the thing is that icedove 2 was released on april, and we are in october and it is not yet in testing because I won't compile on those two archs |
| 16:05.47 | valdyn | Nazcafan: its more likely that icedove has issues than that libc6 does |
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| 16:06.06 | stray | gmcinnes: 'not sure what you need, but if you ssh in, and start vncserver, you can run vncviewer; your x program; then close and open vncviewer and still see your x app running.. |
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| 16:06.21 | Nazcafan | valdyn: and is there a way to know why vlc was removed from testing ? |
| 16:06.32 | wols | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 16:06.37 | valdyn | Nazcafan: because it doesn't compile? didn't you say that? |
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| 16:06.51 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 16:07.00 | glen_quagmire | I'm trying to set up networking http://rafb.net/p/VSw0ie36.html there are 2 ethernet interfaces, eth6 and eth7. I'm not using eth7 at this point. |
| 16:07.07 | Nazcafan | valdyn: no, the unstable version can not go to testing because it won't compile in mips and mipsel |
| 16:07.21 | Nazcafan | valdyn: but the testing version has been indeed removed from testing |
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| 16:07.33 | stiv2k | Ronin: hey im not slacking off! ;) im writing a C program but whenever a pidgin window pops up while i'm typign i get bombarded w/ PC beeps |
| 16:07.36 | gmcinnes | stray: its because its being managed by gdm. when the vnclient goes away, gdm kills the x server after a timeout. |
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| 16:07.45 | valdyn | Nazcafan: the libc6 was upgraded meanwhile i guess |
| 16:07.45 | glen_quagmire | I tried dhcp insstead of static, but it doesn't get ip from router |
| 16:07.48 | Nazcafan | valdyn: http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc/news/20070629T223919Z.html |
| 16:07.48 | stiv2k | jelly: dont know if i can hard-mute the PC speaker |
| 16:08.01 | valdyn | Nazcafan: they are not going to recompile an outdated package against a new libc6 |
| 16:08.12 | roler | i'm looking to buy a mini desktop from dell to be a webserver for about 5 people at tradeshows. Speed is not important. I've haven't ran linux on an AMD system for a LONG time, does it run okay? Are there any processors or chipsets to stay away from? |
| 16:08.16 | glen_quagmire | netmask was 255.255.255.0 typo. i wish i can copy and paste |
| 16:08.34 | stiv2k | karmatronic: that worked, thanks |
| 16:08.35 | Nazcafan | valdyn: ok, so they removed it from testing, so the libc6 makes it to testing |
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| 16:08.45 | karmatronic | stiv2k: :) |
| 16:08.54 | valdyn | Nazcafan: yes, probably |
| 16:09.06 | valdyn | Nazcafan: something like that, not exactly that |
| 16:09.22 | valdyn | Nazcafan: not like vlc has to be the root, its just one package |
| 16:09.30 | ezguy | any ideas what this error meant? malloy kernel; EDAC k8 MC0; general bus error; articipating processor(local node response), time-out(no timeout) memory transaction type(generic read), mem or i/o(mem access), cache level(generic) |
| 16:09.48 | Azar | roler: buy conservative hardware, "bleeding edge" might be hard to configure, mostly untested, new drivers |
| 16:09.54 | Nazcafan | valdyn: vlc is pretty useful, though, and it is kind of a must have for Desktop users |
| 16:10.06 | valdyn | Nazcafan: testing doesn't care to be complete |
| 16:10.22 | Nazcafan | valdyn: only stable does, right ? |
| 16:10.24 | valdyn | Nazcafan: it only follows bug reports, nothing else |
| 16:10.28 | unxxx | hi , how i can set my "loadkeys es" when i boot the system?? |
| 16:10.40 | valdyn | Nazcafan: to some extent yes, its still possible that some package is just not portable to mips |
| 16:10.44 | wols | unxxx: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 16:10.49 | roler | azar; so pretty much any chipset will work as long as it's been out for a while. Dell has this Inspiron 531s which is an AMD Sempron 3600 dunno what chipset that is |
| 16:10.49 | stray | gmcinnes: ummmm, i guess i don't understand what you are doing. what is the x app that needs to keep running? I'd just ditch gdm.. |
| 16:11.10 | valdyn | Nazcafan: why don't you use stable anyway? |
| 16:11.35 | Azar | roler: pretty much 1, 2 year old releases.... AMD goes fine with Debian Linux |
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| 16:12.01 | Nazcafan | valdyn: I think testing is a pretty good trade of between stability and up-to-dateness for my programs |
| 16:12.10 | stray | gmcinnes: are you saying: ssh localhost | vncserver | logout ssh session | > kills vncserver? |
| 16:12.14 | valdyn | Nazcafan: stable + backports is too |
| 16:12.16 | Nazcafan | valdyn: it is quite personal, I agree |
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| 16:12.25 | jelly | stiv2k: Eh. On Thinkpad, mute means mute. |
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| 16:12.41 | valdyn | Nazcafan: especially since you only need a handful of 'bleeding edge' stuff, while the major part should just be rock solid |
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| 16:13.13 | Azar | roler: the 2.6.18 default kernel for Debian Stable handles most hardware, for newer hardware you might be needing higher kernel versions... that means backporting or even forced to use the Debian testing version |
| 16:13.16 | gmcinnes | stray: no. I'm saying if I login using gdm + vncserver then I close my client at some point gdm decides the client is gone and logs me out, killing processes. |
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| 16:13.30 | valdyn | Nazcafan: yea, sure its personal, i just disagree with what many people do, moving to testing/sid just because they need latest firefox, for instance |
| 16:13.59 | Nazcafan | valdyn: I also feel I can help a little filling bug reports |
| 16:14.18 | stiv2k | jelly: on this notebook, the mute button will mute the speakers for sound but not the PC speaker, thats hidden somewhere inside the laptop and is annoying as &*^#$! |
| 16:14.27 | roler | azar; ya... I have no problem compiling a kernel from the source either. All I need is hard drive chipset support, and network support really. I think it should work fine |
| 16:14.37 | zoredache_ | gmcinnes: start screen, then start vnc server withing screen? |
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| 16:14.49 | unxxx | thanks wols |
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| 16:14.57 | Azar | roler: if you look at a laptop, think wireless... which is still in the works |
| 16:15.03 | gmcinnes | oh. I think I got it. thx guys. |
| 16:15.22 | valdyn | Nazcafan: maybe you can just use mplayer instead of vlc |
| 16:15.27 | Nazcafan | valdyn: and when I didn't know anything about debian, a friend of mine installed me a testing version, It is the one I use |
| 16:15.31 | wAndyw78 | How does nautilus sets the default program to open a file? After removing scite, nautilus still wants to use scite, not gedit. gnome-text-editor points gedit in etc/alternative... |
| 16:15.33 | roler | azar; ya it will be a mini desktop, not laptop. I'm just going to get a wireless AP and hook it to the ethernet port on the desktop |
| 16:15.44 | jelly | stiv2k: blacklist pcspkr, then ;-) |
| 16:15.45 | Nazcafan | valdyn: it is ok, I installed the unstable version for vlc, it works fine |
| 16:15.46 | stiv2k | karmatronic: how do i make the pcspkr module never load? |
| 16:15.53 | stray | gmcinnes: umm, did you mistype "gdm +vncserver" when you meant "gdm + vncviewer" ? if so, you can close vncviewer and the vncserver + amule (for eg.) will still be running. |
| 16:15.53 | stiv2k | jelly: err yea that was exactly what i was looking for |
| 16:15.55 | jelly | !blacklist |
| 16:15.57 | karmatronic | stiv2k: blacklist it |
| 16:15.58 | valdyn | Nazcafan: oh, that one actually compiled.. |
| 16:16.01 | stiv2k | jelly: /etc/modules/blacklsit or something right? |
| 16:16.02 | valdyn | Nazcafan: neat |
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| 16:16.15 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 16:16.15 | jelly | stiv2k: more like /etc/modprobe.d/... but yes |
| 16:16.17 | Nazcafan | valdyn: I don't use mips or mipsel |
| 16:16.20 | karmatronic | stiv2k: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 16:16.20 | stray | gmcinnes: even though you logged out of gdm (which i would _still_ ditch). |
| 16:16.26 | valdyn | Nazcafan: i see |
| 16:16.27 | Nazcafan | valdyn: I just grabbed the binaries |
| 16:16.30 | gmcinnes | :) |
| 16:16.30 | stiv2k | jelly: karmatronic: gotcha, thanks a lot |
| 16:16.42 | jelly | dpkg, you're slow |
| 16:16.44 | valdyn | Nazcafan: lucky it works, i guess |
| 16:16.54 | Nazcafan | valdyn: why wouldn't it work ? |
| 16:17.00 | jelly | dpkg: who owns you |
| 16:17.03 | Azar | roler: it is usually best to buy a custom made PC... Dell, Compaq, HP configurations might be at times hard to pass through... and it is said that they kick those who install Linux on their hardware |
| 16:17.07 | unxxx | any repository for tor/privoxy for ppc |
| 16:17.08 | unxxx | ? |
| 16:17.11 | valdyn | Nazcafan: it could depend on a tree of sid packages |
| 16:17.19 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 16:17.19 | valdyn | Nazcafan: obviously it does not |
| 16:17.44 | Nazcafan | as long as the dependencies are fuifilled, you can install the binaries from an unstable source package, I think |
| 16:18.04 | valdyn | Nazcafan: no |
| 16:18.09 | karmatronic | Nazcafan: if you want vlc , cant you just install it from sources... |
| 16:18.19 | valdyn | Nazcafan: as long as the dependencies are fullfilled you can install an unstable binary package |
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| 16:18.35 | jelly | dondelelcaro: listvalues / listkeys help states to accept regexps, but asking the bot to "listvalues ssh.*key" yields no results |
| 16:18.45 | valdyn | Nazcafan: as long as the _build-dependencies_ can be fullfilled you can install from an unstable source package |
| 16:19.00 | Nazcafan | valdyn: ok, let me put it that way |
| 16:19.01 | valdyn | Nazcafan: the 2nd case is common, the first not that common |
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| 16:20.02 | Azar | damn I just cleaned the fan and it still makes noise.. |
| 16:20.08 | FastPutty | guys some question for you about squid, what is the better web filter? squidguard or dansguardian? |
| 16:20.23 | valdyn | FastPutty: privoxy |
| 16:20.29 | Nazcafan | as long as the dependencies for the source package can be fullfilled, you can install the binaries from the source package (provided the internal-source-package-dependencies are also fulfilled) |
| 16:20.31 | FastPutty | privoxy?-_ |
| 16:20.31 | FastPutty | -_- |
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| 16:20.41 | Nazcafan | valdyn: is that ok ? |
| 16:20.48 | unxxx | yes |
| 16:20.50 | unxxx | what happens? |
| 16:20.50 | valdyn | FastPutty: a web filter, see the package description if it does what you want |
| 16:20.59 | FastPutty | i neverheard about privoxy lol |
| 16:21.03 | valdyn | Nazcafan: yea |
| 16:21.04 | FastPutty | i want a plugin for squid |
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| 16:21.19 | unxxx | do you understand my question? |
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| 16:21.25 | unxxx | <unxxx> any repository for tor/privoxy for ppc |
| 16:21.32 | Nazcafan | valdyn: the only thing I accept to compile nowadays is my code in my wifi chipset driver |
| 16:21.48 | valdyn | unxxx: privoxy is in the amd64 and i386 debian repositories, is it missing from ppc? |
| 16:21.49 | Nazcafan | valdyn: and the second part will stop with 2.6.24, hopefully |
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| 16:22.18 | valdyn | !info privoxy testing |
| 16:22.24 | roler | Azar; well thanks for your help:0 |
| 16:22.49 | dpkg | privoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.6-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 1244 kB, Installed size: 2700 kB |
| 16:22.59 | valdyn | unxxx: ^^^ |
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| 16:23.13 | unxxx | not exists for etch |
| 16:23.14 | unxxx | ? |
| 16:23.20 | valdyn | !info privoxy etch |
| 16:23.30 | unxxx | !info tor etch |
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| 16:23.50 | dpkg | privoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.6-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1253 kB, Installed size: 2808 kB |
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| 16:23.56 | cydork | FastPutty: go for dansguardian, if you don't want to use blacklists. if you do want to use them then go for squidguard |
| 16:23.58 | themill | be nice to the bot ppl... |
| 16:24.03 | Azar | honorables take patience with dpkg as he is having breakfast |
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| 16:24.04 | abrotman | unxxx: tor isn't in etch |
| 16:24.07 | unxxx | :/ |
| 16:24.08 | valdyn | unxxx: now why don't you just 'aptitude install privoxy' ? |
| 16:24.19 | unxxx | i need tor |
| 16:24.21 | unxxx | too |
| 16:24.23 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 16:24.25 | abrotman | unxxx: it's not in etch |
| 16:24.33 | valdyn | !info tor lenny |
| 16:24.42 | abrotman | unxxx: try backports.org |
| 16:24.42 | valdyn | unxxx: you can probably backport it |
| 16:24.47 | dpkg | No, just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
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| 16:25.01 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.2.17-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 940 kB, Installed size: 1948 kB |
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| 16:25.18 | cydork | hmm seems like it is. |
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| 16:25.44 | javabugz | when I try to reboot my PC (shutdown -r or init 6), the machine stops at the console instead of rebooting and asks for CONTROL-D/root password |
| 16:26.05 | valdyn | javabugz: and informs you that some filesystem is broken before that |
| 16:26.08 | javabugz | after entering the root password, i can then use reboot to restart it |
| 16:26.09 | valdyn | javabugz: read! |
| 16:26.28 | cydork | javabugz: read what is printed before it asks for the password. |
| 16:26.39 | javabugz | just normal shutdown stuffs |
| 16:26.45 | javabugz | unmounting everything |
| 16:26.47 | valdyn | javabugz: no, startup stuffs |
| 16:26.50 | perlmonkey | whats this: error: PyQt not installed. GUI not available. Exiting. |
| 16:27.04 | perlmonkey | how do I get PyQt? |
| 16:27.05 | javabugz | no...this is is a shutdown sequence |
| 16:27.06 | valdyn | javabugz: oh, when shutting down.. |
| 16:27.14 | valdyn | !init |
| 16:27.18 | javabugz | it's just stops at the console |
| 16:27.19 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 16:27.21 | cydork | !tell perlmonkey -about search |
| 16:27.25 | javabugz | init 6 will do nothing |
| 16:27.35 | javabugz | reboot will actually reboot it |
| 16:27.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, init is the init daemon |
| 16:27.42 | perlmonkey | cydork: I dont know what to search for |
| 16:27.43 | javabugz | i checks rc6.d |
| 16:27.44 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 16:28.04 | javabugz | and has S90reboot in it |
| 16:28.13 | valdyn | javabugz: what did you do to your init scripts / links? |
| 16:28.21 | javabugz | i am well aware of how sysvinit works |
| 16:28.25 | cydork | perlmonkey: how about pyqt? |
| 16:28.47 | perlmonkey | 34 packages listed, i dunno which one is the right one |
| 16:29.03 | javabugz | it just stops after some update |
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| 16:29.11 | javabugz | i am not sure what when wrong |
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| 16:29.40 | cydork | perlmonkey: i am guessing you want some pythong bindings for qt which is python-qt4 |
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| 16:29.58 | perlmonkey | cydork: thanks |
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| 16:30.09 | valdyn | javabugz: is there a S90single ? |
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| 16:30.24 | javabugz | valdyn: nope |
| 16:30.31 | javabugz | just S90reboot in rcd.6 |
| 16:30.34 | unxxx | how i can upgrade to lenny |
| 16:30.36 | unxxx | any howto? |
| 16:30.46 | wols | !etch->lenny |
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| 16:31.03 | javabugz | unxxx: change your /etc/apt/source.list to lenny (instead of etch or whatever) |
| 16:31.04 | themill | everyone has a sleep while waiting for dpkg |
| 16:31.10 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 16:31.17 | javabugz | unxxx: then do apt-get dist-update |
| 16:31.19 | javabugz | unxxx: then do apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:31.47 | unxxx | how i can get the sources.list from lenny |
| 16:31.48 | unxxx | ?? |
| 16:31.51 | unxxx | any url |
| 16:31.58 | unxxx | or someone can paste to me at query |
| 16:32.09 | themill | unxxx: if you have to ask that, you shouldn't be using lenny |
| 16:32.10 | cydork | unxxx: did you read what dpkg said? |
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| 16:32.54 | radoo | hi! can you please tell me a channel for linux noobs? |
| 16:33.14 | valdyn | radoo: your distros channel |
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| 16:33.57 | javabugz | unxxx: just edit the source.ist file |
| 16:34.11 | unxxx | thanks |
| 16:34.12 | unxxx | yes |
| 16:34.13 | radoo | i said it wrong :) i mean, a channel with help about installing debian? for noobs? |
| 16:34.14 | unxxx | i can :) |
| 16:34.16 | javabugz | unxxx: and replace etch with lenny |
| 16:34.24 | valdyn | radoo: this one |
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| 16:35.31 | radoo | oh, ok, thanx- then: i can't install linux- i get a message that my adsl thingy don't use some kind of protocol- i forgot how it is called- dh...something |
| 16:35.59 | valdyn | radoo: get the real error message then |
| 16:36.38 | radoo | ok, i'll be back in a couple of minutes- must reboot and reenter the installer :) see ya |
| 16:36.39 | geo-rge | radoo: how do you start your networking when you use your cvomputer |
| 16:36.50 | radoo | i'm on windows now :( |
| 16:37.03 | geo-rge | and you start your networking how |
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| 16:37.19 | alex__ | guys |
| 16:37.26 | alex__ | how do i turn on my computer |
| 16:37.31 | alex__ | i press the button |
| 16:37.33 | alex__ | and it doesnt |
| 16:37.33 | alex__ | go |
| 16:37.34 | alex__ | on |
| 16:37.35 | alex__ | ? |
| 16:37.48 | radoo | well, the internet connexion made with the data the provider gave me |
| 16:37.50 | xand | alex__: stop that. |
| 16:38.24 | radoo | sorry, alex, yeah, i have no idea how linux works :( |
| 16:38.27 | geo-rge | does the provider say you have to use pppoe? |
| 16:38.42 | radoo | pppoe?never heard about |
| 16:39.03 | geo-rge | so, what do you do to start your networking |
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| 16:39.24 | themill | geo-rge: the installer error message was probably that it couldn't find a dhcp server |
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| 16:39.49 | radoo | exactly :) that was it dhcp |
| 16:39.50 | kenchu | hey, i have a tiny problem over here: |
| 16:39.50 | geo-rge | which could mean... static? |
| 16:39.50 | Azar | unxxx: read the howto: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 16:39.50 | kenchu | i installed vsftpd on my debian server and created a user with the "useradd" command and entered a password for it, but when i try to connect to it via ftp, my client says "please specify the password"? confusing... I even reset the password with passwd for that user, but no success yet :( |
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| 16:40.00 | xand | !ftp |
| 16:40.06 | xand | apt: ftp |
| 16:40.06 | apt | $1: ftp is File Transfer Protocol. RFC-[too-lazy-to-look-FIXME]. Also, <greycat> FTP MUST DIE. |
| 16:40.10 | xand | lame |
| 16:40.21 | xand | dpkg where are you? |
| 16:40.27 | dpkg | somebody said ftp was (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
| 16:40.34 | Azar | xand: dpkg is slow |
| 16:40.39 | Ronin | xand: dpkg is just a tad lagged today |
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| 16:40.44 | xand | why's that |
| 16:40.53 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 16:40.57 | Ronin | because |
| 16:41.08 | themill | xand: tell dpkg "you're slow" and you'll find out why.... |
| 16:41.10 | Azar | xand: maybe having a hard day |
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| 16:41.53 | geo-rge | !you're slow |
| 16:41.55 | radoo | what can i do? |
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| 16:42.21 | dpkg | No, just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
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| 16:43.18 | radoo | geo-rge, can i meet you on pm? |
| 16:43.20 | geo-rge | radoo: when you start windows, does networking start? |
| 16:43.26 | radoo | yes |
| 16:43.27 | geo-rge | nonono |
| 16:43.28 | themill | hmmm... dpkg on oftc isn't lagging at all, and it runs on the same machine, doesn't it? |
| 16:43.55 | geo-rge | maybe someone's kicking the one here |
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| 16:44.11 | Diamond | Hellow fellows |
| 16:44.20 | Diamond | i have a small problem. |
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| 16:44.46 | Azar | Diamond: we all here are thrilled to find out what problem you got |
| 16:44.48 | wols | Diamond: I have a big problem: no pony! |
| 16:44.49 | Ronin | Diamond: viagra |
| 16:44.55 | radoo | ok, in the "network connection" i see the "alice" conexion to the net- broadband, wan miniport ppoe...no idea what that is, but that's what is there |
| 16:45.08 | Azar | we beg you to tell us, Diamond |
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| 16:45.17 | Azar | don't be shy |
| 16:45.19 | wols | Diamond: I beg you to give me a pony |
| 16:45.24 | Azar | :P |
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| 16:45.26 | themill | !pony wols |
| 16:45.27 | geo-rge | radoo: so it -is- pppoe? |
| 16:45.36 | cydork | pink pony!! |
| 16:45.39 | radoo | yes, right after it |
| 16:45.41 | themill | wols: what is it with you and ponies? |
| 16:45.46 | themill | !pont cydork |
| 16:45.49 | radoo | device name- ppoe |
| 16:45.50 | themill | !pony cydork |
| 16:45.59 | wols | themill: I like them! who doesn't? |
| 16:46.07 | Azar | themill: dpkg is sick, don't abuse it please |
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| 16:46.24 | wols | radoo: so you try to install debian on a windows host in a VM? |
| 16:46.27 | Azar | see? damn!!! you have removed it |
| 16:46.35 | wols | dpkg: wb |
| 16:46.36 | dpkg | thanks, wols. It's good to be back. |
| 16:46.53 | wols | radoo: under what kind of VM? |
| 16:46.57 | themill | still a bit laggy, but better |
| 16:46.59 | Diamond | i have installed linux debian sarge latest now now i want to configure the TCP/IP configuration the problem is i can only use dhcp mode does anyone knows why? i have a speedtouch router but this thing can accept multi ranges its a crappy thing ;s but it could be handy sometimes |
| 16:47.25 | Diamond | should anyone know why i only get ISP access with my debian pc when i enable dhcp |
| 16:47.30 | Azar | Diamond: because you opted "yes" at dhcp configuration at install time |
| 16:47.33 | Diamond | not by hand configuration |
| 16:47.33 | wols | Diamond: what's wrong with dhcp? if you need to set a static ip: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 16:47.38 | radoo | no, i try to install from a cd |
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| 16:48.03 | geo-rge | radoo: so when you try installing debian and it gets to the networking part, see if there's a way to say "pppoe" |
| 16:48.03 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 16:48.09 | wols | Diamond: cause your ISP or your router only assigns you a IP via dhcp and ignores static ones. however, this is not a debian problem |
| 16:48.10 | radoo | i downloaded this iso and siply tried to install it.... windows i use now for getting help- no conection between them |
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| 16:48.16 | rindolf | Has anyone seen Bastian Kleineidam (calvin) here? Does anyone know his IM? |
| 16:48.19 | Daveman | bah, stinky wireless :| |
| 16:48.27 | rindolf | Hi Daveman |
| 16:48.36 | wols | radoo: as geo-rge told you. btw: there is also #debian.de on this server |
| 16:48.46 | radoo | i have no wireless adapter- is a siple siemens router |
| 16:48.50 | Diamond | nothing wrong but i want to forward some ports so my ip must by static |
| 16:48.55 | geo-rge | i did not :P |
| 16:48.57 | Diamond | hmm.... |
| 16:48.59 | geo-rge | but it's true |
| 16:48.59 | Azar | Daveman: maybe the future 2.6.25 kernel will have it |
| 16:49.02 | Azar | :) |
| 16:49.09 | wols | Diamond: how did you specifiy the static IP you tried? |
| 16:49.11 | Azar | ..that in like what? 3 years? |
| 16:49.13 | Diamond | at home i got the same router but this one workz. |
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| 16:49.28 | Diamond | under windows i got no problems |
| 16:49.43 | wols | Diamond: answer my question please |
| 16:49.47 | geo-rge | wols oic |
| 16:49.57 | Azar | Diamond: do you have a router that has an online configuration? like D-Link? |
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| 16:50.17 | Diamond | wols : just fillt everything in by network tools |
| 16:50.25 | Diamond | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.28 | radoo | where should i look? i mean, i can choose to manualy install the network, but i'm clueless how, i don't even know my ip...or domain name, or host- whatever those are.. |
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| 16:50.31 | Azar | ah, ok |
| 16:50.35 | wols | Diamond: what "network tools"? |
| 16:50.39 | Diamond | i got a' speedtouch |
| 16:50.48 | Diamond | network config i meanth |
| 16:50.49 | wols | radoo: run pppoeconf |
| 16:50.50 | Diamond | wols! |
| 16:50.58 | wols | Diamond: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces please |
| 16:51.05 | Diamond | ok. |
| 16:51.17 | Azar | ya then when done do the DNS configuration too |
| 16:51.25 | radoo | run it where?from where? |
| 16:51.25 | geo-rge | wols: at the shell on alt f2? |
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| 16:51.58 | wols | geo-rge: doesn't matter. it's a curses based program or such. worked for me in woody (didn't have to use it afterwards) |
| 16:52.09 | wols | radoo: run it as root. on a prompt |
| 16:52.11 | Daveman | azar, haha who knows |
| 16:52.15 | Daveman | this is really pissing though |
| 16:52.22 | Daveman | it worked FINE in 2.6.8 |
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| 16:52.27 | ticktack | hi |
| 16:52.30 | Daveman | now in 2.6.18 it's all fucking broken |
| 16:52.32 | Daveman | -_- |
| 16:52.38 | wols | Daveman: what chip? |
| 16:52.39 | Daveman | lousy pos chipsets :D |
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| 16:53.14 | Diamond | wols :http://www.pastebin.ca/724469 |
| 16:53.14 | Daveman | zd1211 :[ |
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| 16:53.15 | geo-rge | radoo: do you have two computers? |
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| 16:53.16 | wols | Diamond: you didn't config anything. /msg dpkg interfaces to get a static IP |
| 16:53.16 | tiny | I need to install bootloader on a device that's sdc on my system but will be hdc (i think) on native system. How do I do this? |
| 16:53.19 | ticktack | give me a chainsaw and ill get to out of a dualcore |
| 16:53.23 | radoo | i also have a laptotp |
| 16:53.37 | valdyn | tiny: just install grab, there's no difference for that part |
| 16:53.42 | Diamond | wols : i know i got now the dhcp mode. |
| 16:53.45 | geo-rge | can you use the net on both machines at once? |
| 16:53.51 | Diamond | just a sec |
| 16:54.09 | Diamond | this is a clean install wols.! :P |
| 16:54.11 | Daveman | has anyone else even TRIED that driver? |
| 16:54.12 | valdyn | tiny: you can do any adjustment live when booting by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:54.12 | wols | valdyn: it will be if BIOS order changes. e.g if the disk is 2nd disk now and 1st disk when grub is actually used |
| 16:54.15 | Daveman | haha |
| 16:54.25 | valdyn | tiny: you can do any adjustment live when booting OR by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:54.51 | tiny | valdyn: is it possible to do this with lilo ... I have problems with grub install |
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| 16:55.22 | faemir | oh dear, have people seen the new song bmg announcement on slashdot? |
| 16:55.25 | valdyn | tiny: lilo accepts boot options live too |
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| 16:55.32 | valdyn | tiny: i.e. when booting |
| 16:55.45 | tiny | valdyn: ok |
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| 16:56.02 | tiny | valdyn: I get this: # grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 16:56.02 | tiny | /dev/sdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 16:56.09 | valdyn | tiny: im assuming your disks are drive C or primary disks in both cases |
| 16:56.16 | Azar | Diamond: if this helps you as a basic guide (scroll down for command line configurations) http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-networking-for-basic-and-advanced-users.html |
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| 16:56.36 | tiny | valdyn: it's a CF card that I debootsraped debian onto |
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| 16:58.00 | tiny | valdyn: on my system it shows as sdc but on native(to be system) it'll be hdc I assume since it's accessible over IDE |
| 16:58.13 | valdyn | tiny: LABEL= exists |
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| 16:58.36 | n30 | Anyone that runs debian unstable with Xorg (1.7.3+2) ? |
| 16:58.38 | valdyn | tiny: but you do need that disk to be drive C for your bios obviously to boot it |
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| 16:59.00 | SurfCat | hi gang, am trying to install debian on a 486 but the initrd.gz is failing to load |
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| 16:59.04 | tiny | valdyn: it boots :) but there are later problems |
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| 16:59.08 | valdyn | tiny: lilo shoildnt give that error.. why grub now? |
| 16:59.18 | valdyn | tiny: like what? |
| 16:59.21 | tiny | valdyn: ah jus tto show what grub gives |
| 16:59.26 | tiny | valdyn: 1 sec |
| 16:59.44 | ezguy | is there a linux cmd for find the pci-e/x speed? |
| 17:00.15 | wols | ezguy: non sensical |
| 17:00.21 | wols | PCI-E has only one speed |
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| 17:00.54 | tiny | valdyn: let me go back to previous state .. fscked it up with grub-install ... I'll report in a min |
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| 17:01.21 | SpeedyG | hi, if I want to install the graphical environment in debian, aptitude install x-window-system should be enough right? |
| 17:01.29 | SpeedyG | (or at least a nice starter) |
| 17:01.49 | valdyn | tiny: i think the easieset way with grub is to use a bootdisk first on the target computer |
| 17:02.01 | valdyn | tiny: if that is possible |
| 17:02.05 | Eulex | Spec, well, yes, that would get you an X server and xdm and a few other goodies |
| 17:02.11 | wols | SpeedyG: yes it is a graphical environment. but I doubt you will be happy with twm |
| 17:02.22 | tiny | valdyn: I can't boot from target :( |
| 17:02.26 | Eulex | xterm is pwn, though |
| 17:02.26 | SpeedyG | wols: I know, but its the correct base to start off with right? |
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| 17:03.10 | wols | SpeedyG: while it works, it's obsolete. e.g. not in sid anymore |
| 17:03.12 | wols | !install x |
| 17:03.13 | dpkg | hmm... install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
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| 17:03.18 | valdyn | tiny: ok, but on your current box you can |
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| 17:03.57 | SpeedyG | hm, 386-only ? |
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| 17:04.41 | tiny | valdyn: booting with lilo ... |
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| 17:05.17 | tiny | valdyn: it can't open /dev/root |
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| 17:05.40 | valdyn | tiny: you current system uses grub too? |
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| 17:05.52 | giles | hiya debianiers |
| 17:05.54 | tiny | valdyn: /init: /init: 1: cannot open /dev/root: No such device or address |
| 17:06.04 | tiny | valdyn: and then I end up in initramfs env |
| 17:06.07 | tiny | valdyn: yes |
| 17:06.09 | quhan | hi, i want to use svn, which package need i install? |
| 17:06.33 | valdyn | tiny: boot it, in the menu you can edit everything to boot from hdc |
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| 17:06.41 | valdyn | tiny: provided that cf card is visible |
| 17:06.43 | wols | !tell quhan about search |
| 17:06.46 | valdyn | tiny: provided that cf card is visible for your bios |
| 17:06.55 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 17:06.59 | valdyn | tiny: or sdc even |
| 17:07.09 | Ace2016 | is it possible to get grub to boot an iso from a hard drive? |
| 17:07.16 | glen_quagmire | crap network cable wassn't plugged in. of course dhcp didn't work |
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| 17:07.23 | giles | I'm trying to create a /etc/pam.d/common-auth that can failover gracefully when a ldap server isn't accessible |
| 17:07.24 | wols | vanksi: what happens if when he installs grub, the CF card is 0x81 and when it's in the PC where it should be, it's 0x80? |
| 17:07.29 | quhan | i get lots of results |
| 17:07.30 | giles | http://pastebin.org/4022 is my current config |
| 17:07.34 | tiny | valdyn: to many important opened programs atm to reboot my WS |
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| 17:07.45 | Ace2016 | can you burn the contents of a cd to a partition and get that to boot??? |
| 17:07.50 | valdyn | tiny: I see |
| 17:08.11 | quhan | just do this: "svn checkout svn://......", howto? |
| 17:08.25 | valdyn | tiny: or chroot to your cf card and use 'grub-install --recheck /dev/sdc' |
| 17:08.33 | wols | quhan: I already told you how to search. maybe search for bin/svn perhaps? |
| 17:08.35 | tiny | valdyn: I followed this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en guide to the point |
| 17:08.41 | valdyn | tiny: that also only works if that cf card was bios-visible |
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| 17:09.00 | SpeedyG | wols: that nvidia-oneliner, does that also work on etch? because I cant find a nvidia-kernel ? |
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| 17:09.13 | wols | SpeedyG: it does |
| 17:09.24 | wols | SpeedyG: read ALL of it, not just parts |
| 17:09.38 | quhan | wols: but i have not install any package about svn |
| 17:09.44 | valdyn | tiny: suppose you never ran --recheck since that cf card was plugged in |
| 17:09.54 | tiny | valdyn: no |
| 17:09.56 | wols | quhan: you don't even need to have debian intalled to search on pdo |
| 17:10.09 | wols | SpeedyG: you are missing contrib and non-free |
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| 17:10.20 | SpeedyG | wols: ah, thats not in the oneliner :) thanks |
| 17:10.30 | valdyn | tiny: well, try it, but inside the chroot. Outside grub would rely on /boot/grub/* of your main system |
| 17:10.43 | tiny | valdyn: # grub-install --recheck /dev/sdc |
| 17:10.43 | tiny | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 17:10.43 | tiny | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 17:10.43 | tiny | ivica:/# |
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| 17:10.53 | tiny | bah ... sorry |
| 17:10.54 | quhan | i use “locate bin/svn" and get "/usr/bin/svnpath" |
| 17:11.04 | tiny | I always paste |
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| 17:11.28 | tiny | valdyn: so .. I tried it from inside chroot |
| 17:11.34 | valdyn | tiny: that means that sdc is not visible to your bios |
| 17:11.46 | hark | quhan: install it then |
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| 17:12.18 | valdyn | tiny: cant install grub then. |
| 17:12.22 | tiny | valdyn: grub uses BIOS to access that device? |
| 17:12.30 | valdyn | tiny: yea, sure |
| 17:12.39 | SpeedyG | wols: what driver should I select during reconfiguring xorg, nv or nvidia ? |
| 17:12.42 | quhan | how to install |
| 17:12.47 | valdyn | tiny: to track which device to access it only has the bios on bootup |
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| 17:13.03 | wols | SpeedyG: nvidia |
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| 17:13.12 | tiny | valdyn: so if I had this device plugged in at bootup it would see it? |
| 17:13.25 | wols | tiny: only if your BIOS supports it |
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| 17:13.53 | valdyn | tiny: i dont know how exactly that device is connected, and if your bios sees it at all |
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| 17:14.07 | valdyn | tiny: guess it does since you said ' i can boot from it' |
| 17:14.10 | wols | tiny: is it connected via IDE? |
| 17:14.18 | wols | 40/80pin ribbon cable? |
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| 17:14.47 | tiny | wols, valdyn trough USB card reader on my box and trough IDE on target box for which I'm trying to set it up |
| 17:15.01 | SpeedyG | wols: nice thanks :D |
| 17:15.07 | valdyn | usb is horrible for booting at all |
| 17:15.17 | wols | valdyn: it's also horrible for installing grub |
| 17:15.39 | h3sp4wn | Its not that bad if you look at the grml2usb script before trying to do it |
| 17:15.42 | wols | valdyn: and you still ahven't answered my question I posed you earlier? |
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| 17:15.48 | tiny | I'm not going to boot over USB ... I just used USB card reader to debootstrap debian onto CF ... now I'm stuck with bootloaders and boot issue in general |
| 17:16.19 | kingsley | Is an optimization solver packaged for OO.o's calc? |
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| 17:16.30 | valdyn | wols: which was? i see a statement, not a question |
| 17:16.52 | wols | valdyn: what happens if when he installs grub, the CF card is 0x81 and when it's in the PC where it should be, it's 0x80? |
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| 17:17.21 | valdyn | wols: he'll be fucked too |
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| 17:18.04 | wols | exactly. and take a guess what is 0x80 in the current machine where he tries to install grub? |
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| 17:18.33 | valdyn | yea, i got the point |
| 17:18.44 | valdyn | wols: but if he's on usb right now i cant help him either way |
| 17:18.50 | simonrvn | wols: swap partition? :P |
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| 17:20.48 | wols | simonrvn: 0x80 is bios numbering for drives. BIOS is too dumb to know about partitions |
| 17:21.08 | simonrvn | wols: i was being silly on purpose, it's ok ;) |
| 17:21.18 | simonrvn | wols: thank you anyway :) |
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| 17:22.49 | unxxx | hi, how i can launch macchanger at boot |
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| 17:23.19 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 17:23.36 | simonrvn | i'm not |
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| 17:23.56 | xerophyte4 | i am trying to setup dns server i get this error message /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 17:23.56 | xerophyte4 | Starting domain name service...: bind failed! how can i trouble it when i run /usr/sbin/named -f that does not work |
| 17:24.04 | abrotman | xerophyte4: logs |
| 17:24.14 | perlmonkey | I'm having a problem installing some software: checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... ./configure: 1722: /usr/bin//gtk-config: not found. |
| 17:24.14 | perlmonkey | *** Could not run GTK test program, checking why... configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path? |
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| 17:24.31 | perlmonkey | ive tried to install everything I can related to gtk, but still the error, any ideas? |
| 17:24.36 | Pete_B | my postfix system's SMTP gives the following error: http://paste.debian.net/38709 after configuring it as per workaround.org's ISP Mail Etch - can anyone help please? |
| 17:24.42 | abrotman | perlmonkey: didn't i tell you earlier ? |
| 17:24.45 | xerophyte4 | abrotman, it does not log anywhere :( /var/log/message nothing there |
| 17:24.52 | abrotman | badgers: find gtk-config etch |
| 17:24.57 | themill | libgtk1.2-dev |
| 17:25.00 | simonrvn | xerophyte4: it doesn't log there... |
| 17:25.12 | perlmonkey | abrotman: yes, I followed your advice and install the python gtk4 but it still comes up error :-/ |
| 17:25.23 | abrotman | perlmonkey: themill gave you your answer |
| 17:25.36 | perlmonkey | i installed that also |
| 17:25.52 | abrotman | badgers: you're slow |
| 17:25.52 | badgers | abrotman: i haven't a clue |
| 17:25.55 | xerophyte4 | simonrvn, where does it log .. i have logging configured too .. it does nto wanna create files because it fails |
| 17:25.59 | perlmonkey | my system must be screwed? |
| 17:26.05 | abrotman | no |
| 17:26.40 | badgers | Debian Search of 'gtk-config' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/gtk-config) in oldlibs/libgtk1.2-dev ;; (/usr/share/pida/icons/gtk-configure.svg) in devel/pida ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtk1.2-doc/gtk-config.txt.gz) in oldlibs/libgtk1.2-doc ;; (/usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/stock/gtk-configure.svg) in gnome/gnome-icon-theme-gartoon. |
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| 17:26.52 | abrotman | look .. libgtk1.2-dev |
| 17:26.56 | simonrvn | xerophyte4: file/dir ownership; /var/log/bind if anywhere, also present in daemon.log |
| 17:27.00 | abrotman | perlmonkey: dpkg -l libgtk1.2-dev .. what does it say ? |
| 17:27.09 | themill | gtk1 is not long for this world anyway, is it? |
| 17:27.15 | simonrvn | pn |
| 17:27.25 | abrotman | themill: no |
| 17:27.38 | simonrvn | i'm betting it says pn or whatever purged no confs |
| 17:27.41 | xerophyte4 | simonrvn, why does the bind start on forground when i gues named - f |
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| 17:27.46 | abrotman | oh .. i have two mirrors .. cute |
| 17:27.56 | perlmonkey | abrotman: no matching packages, sorry I thought I had installed it |
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| 17:28.02 | abrotman | !curse perlmonkey |
| 17:28.02 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, perlmonkey! |
| 17:28.13 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 17:28.26 | simonrvn | xerophyte4: where do you see it running in the foreground? |
| 17:28.37 | tdn | How do I check if there are any new updates *without* actually installing them? (using apt-get or aptitude?) |
| 17:28.57 | xerophyte4 | simonrvn, i run like this named -d 2 -f i see nothing |
| 17:29.02 | abrotman | it will always ask you before installing updates |
| 17:29.12 | xerophyte4 | simonrvn, it gives me the prompt again |
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| 17:29.40 | simonrvn | xerophyte4: try tailing the log and running it normally first... |
| 17:29.57 | perlmonkey | all this just to change the print density on my new HP LaserJet 2100TN printer |
| 17:30.14 | xerophyte4 | simonrvn, it does not wanna log anywhere :( there is no logs |
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| 17:30.50 | simonrvn | xerophyte4: /lastlog simonrvn |
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| 17:31.38 | xerophyte4 | simonrvn, ?? |
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| 17:33.40 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 17:33.50 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:36.49 | claudio` | I'd play a DivX in console with MPlayer and now i have a lot of uncomprensible characters in all consoles. How can i solve the problem? I'm on X11 now. |
| 17:37.10 | petemc | claudio`: try "reset" |
| 17:37.59 | claudio` | petemc: i'm not logged in. Wait.. |
| 17:38.07 | claudio` | petemc: same thing. |
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| 17:38.49 | claudio` | Do i need to reboot? :\ |
| 17:39.16 | simonrvn | reset |
| 17:39.26 | simonrvn | claudio`: type that in a term |
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| 17:39.54 | unilynx | What permissions would I need to change to fix a speed issue with my 3D accel? As root my frame rate is consistent, but as a normal user it is very slow. Do I need to adjust permissions for a certain device? |
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| 17:40.24 | claudio` | simonrvn: on X11? |
| 17:40.35 | simonrvn | wherever it's fucked |
| 17:40.44 | viller | how do I make something in /etc/init.d not start on boot but still keep the script? |
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| 17:41.28 | wols | viller: nothing in /etc/init.d/ is started. those scripts are started from /etc/rc2.d and such via symlinks |
| 17:41.55 | perlmonkey | abrotman, themill: thanks for all your help, i got my printer programmed now and all is well =) |
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| 17:42.08 | abrotman | eww .. printers :( |
| 17:42.16 | viller | wols: ok how can I make something not start then |
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| 17:42.43 | claudio` | simonrvn: no changes (as i told to petemc) |
| 17:42.43 | perlmonkey | abrotman: i bought a HP LaserJet 2100 for £20 to replace my ageing LaserJet 4P which I had 10 years |
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| 17:42.49 | wols | by deleting the symlink of it. man update-rc.d |
| 17:42.50 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:43.22 | perlmonkey | abrotman: if you ever buy a printer, make sure it has HP infront of it ;-) |
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| 17:43.32 | abrotman | perlmonkey: we have some in my office |
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| 17:43.39 | perlmonkey | these are damn fine printers |
| 17:43.41 | tempboy | hi all . any gprs users in chan? |
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| 17:43.52 | Ardit | jess beby |
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| 17:44.12 | Ardit | unikatil |
| 17:44.33 | tempboy | i have connected via gprs with my SIM card modem and i cannot ping any websites. pppd log shows connection |
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| 17:45.33 | abrotman | do you have functional dns servers? |
| 17:45.38 | wols | tempboy: can you ping IPs? |
| 17:45.56 | rahul | !remove gnome |
| 17:45.56 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 17:46.19 | viller | wols: thank you |
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| 17:49.17 | tempboy | how can i test dns servers? |
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| 17:49.23 | geo-rge | dig |
| 17:49.27 | tempboy | i can paste my ifconfig output |
| 17:49.28 | abrotman | nslookup |
| 17:49.31 | abrotman | host |
| 17:50.19 | wols | tempboy: ping 64.233.187.99 if that works, it's your DNS |
| 17:50.22 | F1r3B1rd | hey... you guys... do anyone of you know how to set a "firewall" security on a 3Com switch model 3c17300A? |
| 17:50.35 | wols | F1r3B1rd: ##hardware |
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| 17:50.53 | ameyer | tempboy: host domainwhoseipyouwant.com nameserver |
| 17:51.02 | F1r3B1rd | what? sorry.. didn't get it... |
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| 17:51.03 | Ardit | hi every1 i am new in linux an want it to get debian as a start..can some1 direct me somewhere i can download it please??? |
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| 17:51.20 | Eulex | debian.org/download |
| 17:51.36 | F1r3B1rd | wols: what do u mean? |
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| 17:51.45 | Ardit | an how would i go into downloadin it?? |
| 17:51.47 | Eulex | hmm, sorry |
| 17:52.03 | Ronin | Ardit: you click a download link |
| 17:52.04 | Eulex | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 17:52.38 | abrotman | F1r3B1rd: your question has nothing to do with Debian .. try ##hardware or #networking |
| 17:52.39 | wols | Filbert: I mean you are OT here. way OT |
| 17:52.51 | wols | doh. as usual |
| 17:52.57 | benjamindees | Ardit, it depends on what you have to work with, but you typically download an .iso image and burn it to CD |
| 17:53.06 | wols | abrotman: about time when it was you who broke me |
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| 17:53.27 | abrotman | i blame the chinese finger cuffs |
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| 17:53.41 | F1r3B1rd | ok...sorry then... |
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| 17:54.00 | wols | abrotman: I blame your extreme seksiness irritating my thought processes |
| 17:54.07 | benjamindees | Ardit, or if you have a poor internet connection you should use Jigdo to download and create the .iso image |
| 17:54.10 | Filbert | wols: you woke me up? |
| 17:54.17 | abrotman | Filbert: misfire .. back to bed with you |
| 17:54.28 | wols | Filbert: yes. now you can go back to sleep. no mor bad dreams |
| 17:54.34 | Filbert | thx :) |
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| 17:55.34 | Ardit | so if i use Jingo its what exactly benjamindees?? |
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| 17:56.09 | Ardit | and if i want it to get all the ISO and burn them t cd how many are there?? |
| 17:56.29 | wols | Ardit: 23. you don't want to burn all of them tho |
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| 17:56.47 | wols | get the first CD, install debian and then isntall whatever you else need via internet. much better |
| 17:57.11 | benjamindees | Ardit, http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 17:57.47 | chris_abyi | hi! I got a real problem here. I added an option in my gnome/sessions/startup tab and now my personal gnome session doesn't work anymore. As a root, I don't know where these startup applications settings had been saved. Do you probably know where this file is located? |
| 17:58.07 | geo-rge | ~/.gnome |
| 17:58.39 | chris_abyi | geo-rge: can't be. I deleted all the .gnome* files in the user dir but it still doesn't work. |
| 17:58.46 | Ardit | wow wols 23 |
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| 17:59.37 | wols | !dstats etch |
| 17:59.43 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18715 packages, 1729 maintainers, 42065 MB installed size, 13766 MB compressed size. |
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| 18:00.02 | wols | Ardit: 13GB is quite a lot of stuff |
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| 18:01.22 | Ardit | indeed |
| 18:01.33 | geo-rge | as the number of maints increased from 1000 to 2000, the number of packages increased from 1000 to 20000 |
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| 18:02.49 | ^Timo^ | Hellow |
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| 18:02.58 | ^Timo^ | i'v got a easy question |
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| 18:03.29 | ^Timo^ | how do i install the java package from www.java.com onto my debian computer |
| 18:03.32 | geo-rge | let's see... your question is... what's tinkerbell's favorite color? |
| 18:03.46 | ^Timo^ | the command whas something like dpkg -i file.bin |
| 18:03.50 | ^Timo^ | issen't it ? |
| 18:03.57 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 18:03.58 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 18:04.43 | ^Timo^ | thnx |
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| 18:05.57 | SerajewelKS | is there any way to have two evolution instances (running simultaneously or not) to synchronize with each other or some server? |
| 18:06.10 | SerajewelKS | i'd like to run evolution on my desktop and laptop and have them access the same data |
| 18:06.12 | geo-rge | so... you install java-package... you look at the list of javas it supports... you download one of those... you use make-jpkg to make a .deb of it... then you install that .deb (dpkg --help) |
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| 18:07.28 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, I thought opengroupware was supposed to do that but I haven't looked into it fully |
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| 18:07.44 | SerajewelKS | an ok-ish solution would be mounting a remote share over the evolution directory (i used to do that with icedove) |
| 18:07.57 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: isn't that a php web application? |
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| 18:09.44 | mick_work | hey everyone, i'd just like some feedback at an idea for an app -- i'd like to get some ideas (or if it has been done / there is a better way of doing it) |
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| 18:10.02 | czeroX | anyone knows how to change de ident on bitchx? |
| 18:10.06 | mick_work | hotkeys is a cool app where you tell it what kb you have -- but there is no UI for it |
| 18:10.14 | jzxu | why is there a user nobody running find on my computer? |
| 18:10.16 | SerajewelKS | i would prefer a synchronization mechanism since there is no guarantee that either instance of evolution could see each other |
| 18:10.25 | valdyn | !info keytouch |
| 18:10.28 | mick_work | czeroX: i'd say try #bitchx |
| 18:10.30 | dpkg | keytouch: (A program to configure extra function keys in multimedia keyboards), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 155 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
| 18:10.31 | abrotman | jzxu: updating your updatedb |
| 18:10.34 | wols | jzxu: cause you want your /usr/bin/locate to wrok |
| 18:10.36 | valdyn | mick_work: ^^^ |
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| 18:10.42 | czeroX | mick_work no one's there |
| 18:10.44 | jzxu | okay |
| 18:10.48 | wols | !irssi |
| 18:10.48 | dpkg | i guess irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 18:10.54 | wols | czeroX: bitchx is dead |
| 18:11.01 | abrotman | we wish |
| 18:11.11 | madstu | !epic |
| 18:11.14 | wols | Ardit: if we say so, it does faster |
| 18:11.15 | mick_work | czeroX: ah ok -- well if nothing in here - then try another #linux channel (like #gentoo) |
| 18:11.30 | mick_work | czeroX: too many flame wars in here :) |
| 18:11.31 | wols | abrotman: it's ALL your fault :) |
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| 18:12.04 | mick_work | valdyn: thanks - i'll have a look - i was going to make a khotkeys if i didn't find something |
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| 18:12.36 | czeroX | anyone that can help on that one... |
| 18:12.43 | ^Timo^ | hmm... |
| 18:12.59 | ^Timo^ | the command "make jpkg" could not been found |
| 18:13.03 | ^Timo^ | someone knows why ? |
| 18:13.08 | SerajewelKS | make-jpkg |
| 18:13.29 | ^Timo^ | yes make-jpkg |
| 18:13.32 | zenwryly | trying to get started with gnupg. Which should I use, gnupg v1 or gnupg2? |
| 18:13.33 | ^Timo^ | it could not been found |
| 18:13.37 | wols | tubabot: |
| 18:13.38 | tubabot | oui? |
| 18:13.42 | abrotman | you need the java-package package |
| 18:13.43 | SerajewelKS | did you install java-package? |
| 18:13.44 | wols | tim__b: are you on sarge? |
| 18:14.10 | wols | abrotman: stop your empty words and actually DO something for a change |
| 18:14.11 | ^Timo^ | java package couldn;t been found either |
| 18:14.13 | ^Timo^ | :( |
| 18:14.14 | wols | always empty promises :) |
| 18:14.22 | ^Timo^ | only installed fakeroot |
| 18:14.26 | wols | ^Timo^: what debian vesion? |
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| 18:14.28 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: you need contrib sources too |
| 18:14.38 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: they aren't in your sources.list by default |
| 18:14.41 | repyskichboarder | hello, I want to delete ala about gspca because I'm experiencing problem and I want to try to reinstall gspca drivers from zero.If I delete all in /usr/src/gspca/ will I do something wrong? |
| 18:14.45 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 18:14.46 | dpkg | hmm... java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 18:14.47 | ^Timo^ | i know |
| 18:14.49 | repyskichboarder | *all |
| 18:14.50 | SerajewelKS | !tell ^Timo^ about contrib |
| 18:14.52 | wols | cause from etch onwads, make-kpkg is obsolete |
| 18:15.02 | abrotman | make-jpkg ? |
| 18:15.13 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: then you must "aptitude update; aptitude install java-package;" |
| 18:15.17 | wols | abrotman: you didn't fix me so live with the consequences :P |
| 18:15.34 | abrotman | i can't always be around to pick up your pieces |
| 18:15.45 | repyskichboarder | I hope my english can be understand :) sorry if it is not |
| 18:15.57 | h3sp4wn | I wonder whether make-jpkg ware updated to work with the JDK7 alpha's / (betas ?) |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: that's just the source |
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| 18:16.09 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: maybe at backports.org |
| 18:16.10 | wols | !info gspca |
| 18:16.17 | repyskichboarder | abrotman, ok :) |
| 18:16.23 | ^Timo^ | SerajewelKS, : what must i do add some sources to sources.list or what? |
| 18:16.38 | repyskichboarder | !info gspca |
| 18:16.38 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: you need to follow the directions dpkg gave you |
| 18:16.42 | wols | repyskichboarder: if you isntalled it via .deb you can purge it. if you compiled the source yourself, #debian can't really help you |
| 18:16.42 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: assuming you actually installed the driver .. it wouldn't in be in that folder .. but when you intsall the driver anew .. it hsould overwrite the old |
| 18:16.48 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:16.57 | h3sp4wn | At some point there will be an amd64 plugin going into that JDK though |
| 18:17.19 | wols | SerajewelKS: I asked 2 times already. he won't answer |
| 18:17.36 | ^Timo^ | i don't know exacly but i think its one of the latest |
| 18:17.44 | repyskichboarder | uhm ok, I tried to install it via .deb and source but I have always problem.I'll try again :) |
| 18:17.46 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: what does this say: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:17.48 | wols | !version |
| 18:17.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 18:17.51 | wols | ^Timo^: then check |
| 18:17.52 | repyskichboarder | abrotman, wols thanks :) |
| 18:17.56 | SerajewelKS | !lose wols |
| 18:17.56 | dpkg | wols: You Lose. |
| 18:18.27 | wols | SerajewelKS: I never lose. I simply blaem abrotman |
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| 18:18.44 | SerajewelKS | wols: fair enough |
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| 18:18.49 | ^Timo^ | 4.0 |
| 18:18.56 | wols | !install java |
| 18:18.56 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from non-free if you're using etch/etch-backports/lenny/sid or ask me about <java-package>. |
| 18:18.59 | ^Timo^ | i am getting with the cat command |
| 18:19.08 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: that would be etch |
| 18:19.12 | geo-rge | are there backport kernels for etch that have later versions of xen compiled into? |
| 18:19.16 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: add nonfree sources and just install sun-java5-jre |
| 18:19.22 | abrotman | geo-rge: look at backports.org |
| 18:19.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: non-free |
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| 18:19.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i didn't mean to write "nonfree" in his sources.list |
| 18:19.50 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 18:20.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: yeah .. uhm .. i'm not sure he'd get that |
| 18:20.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i meant put whatever would get him nonfree software there. that would be "non-free", yes. |
| 18:20.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: probably not |
| 18:20.20 | ^Timo^ | backports.org should be enough to write into the sources.list? |
| 18:20.26 | ^Timo^ | SerajewelKS, ? |
| 18:20.27 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: uhm, no |
| 18:20.33 | SerajewelKS | ^Timo^: why are you using backports |
| 18:20.46 | ^Timo^ | have used it before. |
| 18:20.49 | SerajewelKS | !tell ^Timo^ about nonfree |
| 18:20.56 | ^Timo^ | which nonfree sources should i add? |
| 18:21.07 | SerajewelKS | the debian ones? |
| 18:21.18 | SerajewelKS | are you ignoring the bot or what? |
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| 18:21.29 | Haris | How can I raise the limit of number of files I can have open on the box? |
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| 18:22.02 | SerajewelKS | Haris: that makes me question why you'd need so many open in the first place |
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| 18:22.12 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: do you really want to know ? |
| 18:22.15 | Haris | SerajewelKS: webserver |
| 18:22.26 | Haris | databases |
| 18:22.28 | Haris | bla bla |
| 18:22.49 | flipflop | Hi. I used debootstrap to create an fs, then chroot-ed into it and used dselect to install Apache and PostgreSQL. However, it didn't create the /etc/postgresql directory, and I can't start the Postgres server. What's going on? |
| 18:22.52 | abrotman | have you opened too many files yet? |
| 18:23.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it makes me feel better if when a question is answered the person actually needed that answer, not the answer to a different question. |
| 18:23.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it was a joke |
| 18:23.37 | SerajewelKS | SDNWOL, etc |
| 18:23.44 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 18:23.45 | Haris | abrotman: Not yet. Generally I'm assessing security for a bxo |
| 18:24.03 | abrotman | so you want to increase the number of files you can open ? |
| 18:24.13 | Haris | yep |
| 18:24.21 | abrotman | this would increase your security ? |
| 18:24.24 | Haris | I hear it can be done through file descriptors? Or is that for something else? |
| 18:24.30 | SerajewelKS | hahaha |
| 18:24.33 | SerajewelKS | file descriptors |
| 18:24.51 | SerajewelKS | dude, are you qualified to be doing security analysis? |
| 18:24.55 | Haris | increasing the number of file descriptors == increase number of connections |
| 18:24.59 | Haris | Am I right? |
| 18:25.05 | abrotman | this would increase your security ? |
| 18:25.35 | Haris | abrotman: You tell me, we see you guys as the experts |
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| 18:25.57 | SerajewelKS | yeah but we aren't getting paid to do your job :) |
| 18:26.09 | chop1 | Haris: No, that would not increase your security or increase the number of connections in any situation I can easily conceive of |
| 18:26.22 | abrotman | Haris: why do you think it might raise your level of security ? |
| 18:26.23 | Haris | I'm done with rootkits, firewall (iptables), selinux, have latest php installed and bla bla in my checklist |
| 18:26.25 | Azar | keep it simple, keep it minimal, thats a start for good security |
| 18:26.35 | Haris | I'm just chekcing if I missed something |
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| 18:26.53 | Haris | abrotman: The OS will accept more connections and won't be bogged down after a limit has reached? |
| 18:27.00 | xingu | hmm, interesting, glibc source wants to build ia38 + x86_64 by default, on arch=i386 |
| 18:27.01 | valdyn | Haris: nonsense |
| 18:27.02 | SerajewelKS | Haris: if the box has too many connections then you need a cluster, not one server |
| 18:27.26 | chop1 | So if I want to set a workstation to use LDAP for passwd/shadow/group, do I need to manually sync the UIDs and GIDs from its filesystem (for any accounts that already exist on the machine and are moving from /etc into LDAP) to the values that are in LDAP for those accounts? |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | Haris: i still don't get how this raises your level of security |
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| 18:27.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i assume he is talking about DoS attacks |
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| 18:27.48 | Haris | Yep |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | so raise the level? |
| 18:27.57 | Haris | What level? |
| 18:28.01 | Haris | lol |
| 18:28.05 | SerajewelKS | Haris: i just told you |
| 18:28.07 | abrotman | the limit on the number of open files |
| 18:28.09 | Azar | the sky is the limit :) |
| 18:28.15 | Haris | Ok, if I'm looking in the wrong place, point me to the right direction =) |
| 18:28.17 | abrotman | whatever .. it's /etc/security/limits.conf ... go do your worst |
| 18:28.23 | SerajewelKS | Haris: if too many connections is a problem then you need several servers |
| 18:28.32 | chop1 | Haris: If you are suffering from a DoS attack, file descriptors are not what you're going to run out of which causes a problem |
| 18:28.34 | SerajewelKS | Haris: modern linux uses SYN cookies anyway |
| 18:28.43 | abrotman | he's talking about HTTP DoS |
| 18:28.47 | abrotman | i'm guessing anyways |
| 18:28.57 | Haris | I remember, this is the file, I chceked a long time ago, to limit number of logins for per userid |
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| 18:29.08 | wols | xingu: it has to. to be able to use 64bit kernels in i386 |
| 18:29.12 | SerajewelKS | Haris: i think what you really have is a red herring |
| 18:29.15 | chop1 | Haris: I recommend that you read a general how-to-harden-a-Linux-system document instead of guessing at what will help you :-). Good luck. |
| 18:29.22 | valdyn | Haris: you'r going to be DoSed long before the file limit is reached. Rising that number wont fix anything there |
| 18:29.22 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 18:29.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 18:29.23 | wols | !harden |
| 18:29.23 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 18:29.26 | Haris | SerajewelKS: Yep, I looked at the sysctl number on them. |
| 18:29.34 | Haris | SerajewelKS: People told me they didn't need changingi |
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| 18:29.45 | xingu | wols: yeah grok that; just trying to teach it about arch=tm5600 opts. |
| 18:29.46 | abrotman | Haris: raising the limit on open files will accomplish nothing |
| 18:30.12 | Haris | chop1: I mentioned my checklist above. What did I miss? |
| 18:30.12 | mick_work | valdyn: how can i configure them? (like if i want the "email" button to start kontact) |
| 18:30.15 | xingu | wols: not really "arch" arch, just trying to get some riced build flags; yes, the last 2 ticks worth of perf matter on this one. |
| 18:30.26 | xingu | wols: will be doing openssl next up. :) |
| 18:30.27 | valdyn | mick_work: i dont know that program |
| 18:30.31 | chop1 | Haris: You want me to read the docs to you? :-) |
| 18:30.33 | Haris | abrotman: You mentioned other kind of Dos |
| 18:30.40 | mick_work | valdyn: ah ok |
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| 18:30.46 | wols | !gentoosmite xingu |
| 18:30.49 | xingu | wols: debian/sysdeps/i386.mk seems to be the do |
| 18:30.50 | Haris | chop1: No, need words only |
| 18:30.51 | abrotman | Haris: /msg dpkg harden ... start reading |
| 18:30.55 | xingu | wols: *grin* yeah yeah. |
| 18:31.03 | valdyn | Haris: seriously your system is probably safer if you don't 'fine tune' anything |
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| 18:31.04 | wols | xingu: SCNR |
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| 18:31.23 | chop1 | Haris: Sorry, please read the docs. They'll give you a more complete answer than I'm willing to type into an IRC channel for you. |
| 18:31.23 | xingu | wols: I need the last 0.01oz worth of ipsec forwarding performance out of this little guy, he's going to be running flat out |
| 18:31.25 | Haris | valdyn: That is what I found on the internet on different articles |
| 18:31.34 | wols | xingu: was inb a similar situation once. wanted to play movies on a p2 300 notebook. then all it took was another player (vlc instead of mplayer9 |
| 18:31.42 | Azar | Haris: sometimes reading proper man pages or online documentation and howto teaches you more than one hour on irc |
| 18:31.44 | Haris | chop1: Noted. |
| 18:31.50 | mick_work | i'm wondering if it is worth it to make a UI where you click on a button and tell it what it should do -- or if it is done in another app (hotkeys seems to be the closest thing) -- or if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should do that (w/o the UI part) |
| 18:31.51 | Haris | Azar: Agreed. |
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| 18:32.10 | Haris | I went through sans.org, linux-sec.net |
| 18:32.20 | valdyn | mick_work: it shouldnt ( dpkg-reconfigure ) |
| 18:32.26 | Haris | Found very little I could do to make it more secure |
| 18:32.35 | xingu | wols: there's only one openssl :| if I had some hw crypto believe me I'd be using it right now, even if it was a 2Mbps part |
| 18:32.35 | Haris | except have the latest version of installed apps |
| 18:32.36 | Haris | lol |
| 18:32.44 | mick_work | valdyn: there is something in there to configure your kb -- that is why i mention it |
| 18:33.01 | valdyn | mick_work: yea, key to character mappings |
| 18:33.07 | Toast | Hi all, can anyone recommend a tool to stop people attempting to brute force access to my server please? I've seen a few scripts out there, but if possable, I'd like an official package for etch. |
| 18:33.08 | Haris | searching docs is not the issue. Searching relevant points out of them, is |
| 18:33.11 | valdyn | mick_work: not startup of apps or whatever |
| 18:33.15 | mick_work | right |
| 18:33.45 | mick_work | i don't want to redo something that exists -- and i'd like to know what i could perhaps extend upon |
| 18:33.48 | valdyn | Toast: that's not people, that's bots |
| 18:33.51 | mick_work | that is all |
| 18:34.02 | valdyn | !info fail2ban |
| 18:34.04 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
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| 18:34.28 | Toast | valdyn: Some one must have unleached the bots :) |
| 18:34.36 | Toast | I'll look into that pachage thanks. |
| 18:34.45 | Ronin | Toast: same stuff different day on the internet actually |
| 18:35.09 | valdyn | i just wonder how long fail2ban works without causign serious load |
| 18:35.09 | Haris | with iptables, default is DROP and only a small number of ports are opened up |
| 18:35.15 | valdyn | or if it ever breaks down in forseeable time |
| 18:35.16 | Haris | I guess, that's most of it |
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| 18:35.57 | celric | Moin |
| 18:36.42 | Azar | Toast: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 18:36.50 | ^Timo^ | back again |
| 18:36.57 | Azar | which link is killing my browser window... |
| 18:37.01 | Haris | Azar: That's also implemented for ssh |
| 18:37.03 | Azar | which it did not used to.. |
| 18:37.08 | ^Timo^ | i have done this command apt-get -d install java* |
| 18:37.14 | Haris | I use that by default |
| 18:37.15 | ^Timo^ | alot of packages comes up |
| 18:37.23 | ^Timo^ | but which one must i get |
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| 18:37.37 | mick_work | to secure ssh - just use keys (or you can do some dynamic iptables fun if someone gets the pw wrong 3x) |
| 18:37.37 | Haris | that makes even iptables useless for denying ssh traffic :P |
| 18:37.38 | Azar | Haris: this is for bots trying to run dictionary to find out usernames/passwords... which is a waste of space there |
| 18:37.45 | ^Timo^ | or how do i install the jpkg mod on my debian pc |
| 18:38.01 | ^Timo^ | i hearth from a frend of my that nonfree is not the way to do it. |
| 18:38.09 | mick_work | ^Timo^: i'd say use Sun's java |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | ^Timo^: you've been told |
| 18:38.17 | Azar | Haris: if you really want control over, configure your iptables as well |
| 18:38.22 | abrotman | !tell ^Timo^ about install java |
| 18:38.27 | Toast | Azar: Thanks. I couldn't see an official package for that script. Is enough better than fail2ban to be worth maintaining manually |
| 18:38.30 | valdyn | ^Timo^: using the nonfree java from sun doesnt make it any better than using a non-free debian package |
| 18:38.32 | mick_work | sable-jvm doesn't run a bunch of things that i need myself |
| 18:38.44 | Azar | Toast: much better and simpler |
| 18:38.53 | valdyn | ^Timo^: beside that its a moralistic, not a technical argument. |
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| 18:39.27 | Azar | Toast: since I do not run a server I also moved the ssh to another port since I never use it... |
| 18:40.10 | Toast | I'd better check if my phone can ssh to alternative ports. Should be possable for me to do the same. |
| 18:40.13 | xingu | wols: on the plus side, my (slightly less) shiny new notebook *whips* through things like this now :) |
| 18:40.15 | Azar | remove, disable, comment any stuff that is not used... it makes life much easier |
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| 18:41.16 | Haris | Azar: iptables whatever-chain -P DROP <- that's what I have. and only some ports are open, like web+mail+pop3+imap+ssh (guarded by the hosts file also) |
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| 18:41.38 | Haris | that only leaves exploitable apps, right? |
| 18:41.40 | ^Timo^ | well ok. |
| 18:41.54 | Haris | abrotman: How about those |
| 18:41.56 | xerophyte4 | i have setup the master dns server it works fine, then i setup the slave dns server, and configured the zones to be salve, when start the salve nameserver .. its not downloading the zone files from master .. which iption alow the slave to pull zone files ? |
| 18:41.59 | ^Timo^ | am looking at this right know |
| 18:42.00 | abrotman | Haris: read the damn documentation |
| 18:42.03 | Haris | Ok |
| 18:42.04 | Haris | lol |
| 18:42.07 | ^Timo^ | and want to install the package that way |
| 18:42.11 | ^Timo^ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
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| 18:42.18 | abrotman | Haris: hopfully .. no one in here is giong to do the entire job for you |
| 18:42.18 | wols | xingu: wrong. there is openssl and gnutls or what it's called :) |
| 18:42.43 | ^Timo^ | but the jpkg command does not work |
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| 18:42.49 | wols | abrotman: wait for it, he will linger around and whine until someone does |
| 18:42.51 | Azar | Haris: in my way I like to be able to see what the inside-out traffic goes as well as the outside-in. If you know what processes connect to the outside, why, and when, is a good thing too |
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| 18:43.21 | Azar | Haris: do you need more iptables howto's ? |
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| 18:43.32 | Haris | Nope, lol |
| 18:43.38 | Haris | Got too many already |
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| 18:44.24 | xingu | wols: good call; will have a look and see if there's any mileage; I'm just a little cautious as I know that both may well trace their ancestry to a common root |
| 18:44.24 | Azar | knowledge of what is running inside your system, what connects out and why, is the best security tool.. |
| 18:44.38 | ^Timo^ | am kind a new with this shit though hope you guys can help me a bit further |
| 18:44.39 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 18:44.48 | ^Timo^ | the howto debian gave me |
| 18:44.49 | ^Timo^ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 18:44.55 | ^Timo^ | should work i think |
| 18:45.03 | ^Timo^ | i already got the package installed |
| 18:45.23 | ^Timo^ | now i want to know why the jpkg command doesn't work :/ |
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| 18:45.30 | valdyn | ^Timo^: what's wrong with 'aptitude install sun-java5-jdk' ? |
| 18:45.53 | dotCOMmie | anyone know why things in pstree look like this: â ââsshdâââsshdâââtcshâââperlâââsubmitâââqsubâââperl5.8.8 |
| 18:46.13 | xingu | dotCOMmie: utf8 chars in your path but not on your console? |
| 18:46.15 | Toast | denyhosts is already a standary package :) |
| 18:46.38 | Haris | Azar: I'll quote that |
| 18:46.39 | dotCOMmie | xingu: $PATH? |
| 18:46.43 | Azar | standary? |
| 18:47.01 | xingu | dotCOMmie: try pstree -U, or -G, or -A |
| 18:47.10 | flipflop | Sorry for asking again, but it's important. I used debootstrap to create an fs, then chroot-ed into it and used dselect to install Apache and PostgreSQL. However, it didn't create the /etc/postgresql directory, and I can't start the Postgres server. What's going on? |
| 18:47.50 | dotCOMmie | xingu: G and A flags work. what should I look at for fixing -U? |
| 18:48.06 | xingu | dotCOMmie: utf8 capable terminal and font probably? |
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| 18:48.13 | valdyn | flipflop: there's only /etc/postgresql-common/ ? |
| 18:48.48 | flipflop | valdyn: correct |
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| 18:49.11 | flipflop | valdyn: I coppied a /etc/postgres/ structre from another box, but it still won't start up |
| 18:49.15 | valdyn | !find /etc/postgreql etch |
| 18:49.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/postgreql' returned no results. |
| 18:49.26 | valdyn | flipflop: why would that fix anything |
| 18:49.36 | flipflop | valdyn: no clue :) |
| 18:49.37 | valdyn | !find /etc/postgres etch |
| 18:49.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/postgres' returned no results. |
| 18:49.43 | xingu | damn it's nice having decent amounts of memory connected well enough to a fast enough cpu |
| 18:49.52 | Haris | abrotman: Good doc! that |
| 18:49.55 | valdyn | flipflop: and why would that be the source of your issues? |
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| 18:50.07 | ^Timo^ | valdyn, : i have a standard sources.list |
| 18:50.11 | valdyn | flipflop: what does '/etc/init.d/postgresql start' give? |
| 18:50.16 | ^Timo^ | and the package could not been found somehow |
| 18:50.17 | ^Timo^ | :( |
| 18:50.23 | valdyn | ^Timo^: add contrib and non-free sources |
| 18:50.47 | flipflop | valdyn: absolutely nothing |
| 18:51.22 | ^Timo^ | valdyn, : how ? am new with this shit. so. need more help then others sorry. |
| 18:51.38 | valdyn | ^Timo^: you've been told a few times already |
| 18:51.40 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 18:51.40 | dpkg | from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:51.45 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 18:51.45 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 18:52.12 | valdyn | flipflop: did you run that as root btw? |
| 18:52.17 | flipflop | valdyn: root |
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| 18:53.33 | flipflop | valdyn: btw, I do have a running postgres installation on the box... I'm trying to install and run a new one in the chroot. Could that be a problem? |
| 18:53.44 | valdyn | flipflop: looks to me like that file does not even exist in debian |
| 18:53.47 | valdyn | flipflop: sure |
| 18:54.02 | valdyn | flipflop: they're networked apps,a chroot cant share a network port |
| 18:54.04 | ^Timo^ | !non-free sources |
| 18:54.04 | dpkg | hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 18:54.33 | flipflop | valdyn: well but if I stop the main box postgres, it still doesn't do anything... the chroot still won't start up |
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| 18:54.54 | xingu | flipflop: is postgresql-common installed just out of interest? |
| 18:54.59 | valdyn | flipflop: that's not really debian related |
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| 18:55.02 | ^Timo^ | ok i am going to add that lines to my sources.list |
| 18:55.04 | flipflop | xingu: yes |
| 18:55.05 | valdyn | flipflop: what is that chroot? |
| 18:55.06 | ^Timo^ | hope it will workz |
| 18:55.19 | flipflop | valdyn: what do u mean? |
| 18:55.30 | valdyn | flipflop: how was that chroot created? |
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| 18:55.44 | valdyn | flipflop: how was postgresql installed into it? |
| 18:55.46 | flipflop | valdyn: with debootstrap |
| 18:55.52 | flipflop | valdyn: with dselect |
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| 18:56.24 | flipflop | valdyn: I basically followed the instructions at the end of 'man debootstrap' |
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| 18:56.41 | valdyn | flipflop: what's in /proc ? /sys ? /dev ? |
| 18:56.58 | xingu | flipflop: you might have to use pg_createcluster |
| 18:57.04 | flipflop | valdyn: /sys is empty. /proc and /dev look normal |
| 18:57.35 | xingu | flipflop: in late pre-etch pgsql has had two radical things happen; one, multiversion support, two, cluster support. |
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| 18:57.48 | xingu | flipflop: take a look at pg_createcluster(8) |
| 18:57.48 | flipflop | xingu: damn, that's it. Thank you :) |
| 18:58.22 | xingu | I only know this because the first transition screwed my (sid) box. :) |
| 18:58.22 | flipflop | xingu: yea, works just fine now :) Thanks again. |
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| 18:58.58 | Toast | Cool, I now have deny hosts up and running and configured to my liking. Thanks all. |
| 18:58.59 | ^Timo^ | well i think its gonna work now |
| 18:59.00 | ^Timo^ | but. |
| 18:59.03 | xingu | I was royally clusterfucked so to speak |
| 18:59.06 | dotCOMmie | xingu: unset LC_ALL fixed it |
| 18:59.13 | flipflop | lol |
| 18:59.15 | xingu | dotCOMmie: neat |
| 18:59.36 | ^Timo^ | stupid question maybe but my keyboard is a bit strange i think i got the wrong language for it installed |
| 18:59.43 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows where i can change it ? |
| 18:59.57 | ^Timo^ | input language* |
| 19:00.06 | vanksi | my samba stopped working all of the sudden |
| 19:00.28 | vanksi | no errors when starting but it doesn't actually start |
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| 19:00.43 | xingu | !keymap |
| 19:00.43 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
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| 19:00.46 | Azx | what's the right way in debian to tell dhcp client not to update resolv.conf |
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| 19:01.31 | xingu | Azx: it's probably being done by resolvconf |
| 19:01.48 | xingu | Azx: as to how to squig it - dunno; don't use dhcp as a rule. |
| 19:01.58 | Azx | :???? |
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| 19:04.28 | Azar | Azx: it is not Debian ruling your connection type, is your ISP |
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| 19:05.43 | sts | hello folks. where can i find informations about packaging web applications? |
| 19:05.46 | Azar | Azx: so far, in my poor knowledge, your ISP assigns you a dhcp connection, meaning the "lend" you an IP number from a pool, for the time of your session. Once you quit the session the number is taken and given to another user |
| 19:05.50 | bl4q | maybe he doesn't mean an ISP's DHCP |
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| 19:06.14 | bl4q | I didn't say anything |
| 19:06.18 | bl4q | :P |
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| 19:06.27 | Azar | I never seen anything :P |
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| 19:08.31 | ^Timo^ | well.... |
| 19:08.50 | wols | Azx: man dhclient.conf |
| 19:08.51 | xingu | Azar: I run my networks, and I don't like dhcp; it's a personal thing, not an invitation to start a flamewar. :) |
| 19:08.51 | ^Timo^ | i have updated my sources.list with the non-free lines |
| 19:08.55 | bl4q | after you'ce established the connection to your ISP your networkinterfce "calls" via a broadcast for a DHCP Server - the DHCP server will send you several information |
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| 19:09.15 | ^Timo^ | and updated with apt-get update |
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| 19:09.32 | Azar | xingu: point taken |
| 19:09.56 | benjamindees | Azx, Debian uses ifup, which will use any of several dhcp clients to obtain an ip address; so I would start there |
| 19:09.58 | ^Timo^ | valdyn, : i have updated it with the nonfree lines |
| 19:10.05 | ^Timo^ | valdyn, : what should i do next |
| 19:10.28 | Azar | wols: thanks for the clarification |
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| 19:11.05 | ^Timo^ | the command : aptitude install sun-java5-jdk does found anything :( |
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| 19:11.25 | ^Timo^ | could anyone be nice and help me install the java package |
| 19:11.26 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 19:11.38 | sdubois92 | i installed the Net install disk today, but i was not connected to the internet so i have a very basic install, how can i install the rest when i am connected? |
| 19:11.58 | Azar | ^Timo^: apt-cache search java (see what you got there) |
| 19:11.58 | ^Timo^ | someone please. :( |
| 19:12.02 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 19:12.22 | uttara | hi, I have installed etch on my system. Now the /etc/apt/sources.list file has only the "security" entry. What other minimal entries should i add? |
| 19:12.25 | hark | ^Timo^: pastebin apt-cache policy or your sources.list |
| 19:12.54 | briansk1 | my bios has hda and hde confused. thanks to uuid's this is fine, but i'd like to tell the kernel that that via_ide/controller_0/disk_0 = hda, etc. is there a way to do this, like with iftab? |
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| 19:13.36 | xingu | briansk1: no; names reflect topology, and both are dynamic; if you want a lable on a volume, assign one. |
| 19:13.43 | Azar | uttara: something like deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
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| 19:14.14 | uttara | Azar: Is this enough? |
| 19:14.19 | briansk1 | xingu: hmm... if names reflect topology, how is it that the builtin ide drives get the higher numbers than the pci addon card on my box? |
| 19:14.22 | sdubois92 | i installed the Net install disk today, but i was not connected to the internet so i have a very basic install, how can i install the rest when i am connected? |
| 19:14.33 | Azar | uttara: and his sibling : deb-src ftp://same thing |
| 19:14.34 | xingu | briansk1: they're probably probed earlier - usually. |
| 19:14.37 | briansk1 | xingu: also, how can i assign a label to a volume? |
| 19:14.40 | hark | uttara: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:14.52 | xingu | briansk1: e2label or tunefs or whatever. |
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| 19:15.19 | ^Timo^ | hark : http://pastebin.ca/724644 |
| 19:15.19 | jelly-home | briansk1: but if you're already set up with UUID= you don't need labels |
| 19:15.24 | ^Timo^ | thats whats init |
| 19:15.40 | xingu | briansk1: even mkswap can label your swap device; then it's all as simple as LABEL= for fstab/mount/kernel, and /dev/disk/by-label/ for everything else. |
| 19:15.41 | jelly-home | briansk1: except they're shorter so fstab looks nicer :-) |
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| 19:15.46 | briansk1 | jelly-home: i know i don't need em, but i want something a bit more human friendly than 05cb2d63-02ef-4d0b-a3d5-e38a4b16a678 |
| 19:16.07 | briansk1 | ahhh /dev/disk/by-label |
| 19:16.15 | briansk1 | that looks like what i was looking for |
| 19:16.23 | ^Timo^ | Azar, : theres alot to manny :P |
| 19:16.28 | briansk1 | is there any downside to putting /dev/disk/by-label/foo in /etc/fstab ? |
| 19:16.41 | ^Timo^ | the list goes on for about 30 sec |
| 19:16.51 | briansk1 | err actually i think you just answered that |
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| 19:17.01 | briansk1 | e.g. LABEL=foo / xfs defaults,rw 0 0 |
| 19:17.19 | jelly-home | right |
| 19:17.25 | xingu | briansk1: no downside; just preference. |
| 19:17.30 | briansk1 | cool thanks all |
| 19:17.31 | Azar | ^Timo^: sorry but I never used dhcp on Debian linux... only long ago when I used webtv... myself not knowledgeable about dhcp tools in Debian |
| 19:17.43 | briansk1 | anyone know offhand how to label an xfs partition? |
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| 19:18.00 | xingu | briansk1: tunexfs? something along those lines? |
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| 19:18.15 | hark | ^Timo^: add contrib non-free at the end of line 30 |
| 19:18.46 | Azar | hark huh? |
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| 19:19.42 | hark | Azar: raised by foobars |
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| 19:20.33 | Azar | hark: for a moment I thought you ment to address uttara |
| 19:20.44 | briansk1 | for the (non-existent) record, looks like xfs_admin [ -elu] [ -L label ] [ -U uuid ] device is what i need |
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| 19:22.02 | Borbus | I just found out that nano can do syntax highlighting and that is awesome! |
| 19:22.07 | ^Timo^ | Azar, : its not about DHCP but about installing java on my debian computer |
| 19:22.16 | Borbus | I just needed to say that to someone that actually knows what I am talking about... |
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| 19:22.21 | Borbus | That is all |
| 19:22.31 | Azar | ^Timo^: sorry I was left at dhcp topic.. :) |
| 19:22.52 | ^Timo^ | Azar, : yes i have fixed that already :) |
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| 19:22.58 | Azar | Borbus: not me, vi user |
| 19:23.03 | ^Timo^ | am working now with static ip |
| 19:23.04 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 19:23.08 | Borbus | Can vi do it? |
| 19:23.19 | Azar | Borbus: vi can do almost anything |
| 19:23.27 | Borbus | Is vi actually better once you learn how to use it? |
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| 19:23.58 | Azar | Borbus: to put it stupid: I hooked with vi since had similar keybindings with nethack game |
| 19:24.06 | ^Timo^ | hark : it is already been writen there isen't it |
| 19:24.08 | Borbus | Do you use vi or vim? |
| 19:24.09 | ^Timo^ | look again |
| 19:24.13 | dkr | better than using it without learning it? yes :) |
| 19:24.23 | ^Timo^ | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:24.23 | ^Timo^ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:24.30 | Azar | Borbus: vim now, which by the way has a command line interactive tutorial: vimtutor |
| 19:24.36 | Borbus | lol, I know that.. picture me trying to edit my sudoers file and having no idea how vi works.. :P |
| 19:24.43 | ^Timo^ | thats correct ? |
| 19:24.50 | hark | ^Timo^: that's not line 30. those are the security repos. |
| 19:25.15 | Borbus | Yeah I probably should learn how to use vi some time |
| 19:25.22 | Borbus | I'll try vimtutor.. |
| 19:25.27 | dkr | Borbus: editor greatness is quite subjective, though. depends on your taste. personally I use joe for console and nedit for coding |
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| 19:25.47 | ^Timo^ | hark : so in which file and where must i add that lines |
| 19:25.48 | uttara | Azar: Thanks a lot. Everything seems to working now. |
| 19:25.51 | Azar | Borbus: the best editor is the one you feel comfortable with |
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| 19:26.06 | Borbus | nano feels natural to me if that makes sense |
| 19:26.08 | Azar | nice to hear, uttara |
| 19:26.09 | ^Timo^ | i allready added thos lines in sources.list has you can see |
| 19:26.20 | Borbus | I'll learn vi though since I can't really judge it before I can use it |
| 19:27.07 | Borbus | Where can I get vimtutor from? |
| 19:27.11 | Borbus | Doesn't seem to be part of etch |
| 19:27.35 | hark | ^Timo^: what's line 30 in your pastebin? |
| 19:28.11 | hark | Borbus: part of vim-runtime |
| 19:28.21 | Borbus | Ahh, thaks |
| 19:28.49 | Borbus | How come sometimes apt asks you to confirm installing new packages but sometimes it doesn't? |
| 19:29.29 | dkr | Borbus: sometimes it adds more to the install list due to dependencies than yuo specifically asked for |
| 19:29.35 | Borbus | Does it only ask you to confirm when it's going to add other packages that you didn't ecplicitely specifiy? |
| 19:29.45 | Borbus | Right |
| 19:29.56 | Borbus | I've got a question about security too.. |
| 19:29.56 | ^Timo^ | hmm ok |
| 19:30.07 | Borbus | On my remote box I disable root login via ssh |
| 19:30.10 | ^Timo^ | so what must i do ? |
| 19:30.19 | Borbus | So I have to log in as a normal user then use su to get root |
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| 19:30.29 | ^Timo^ | i know |
| 19:30.31 | dkr | Borbus: that sounds sensible |
| 19:30.36 | ^Timo^ | just at after main contrib non-free ? |
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| 19:30.41 | tt | How do I create a "root" user in a newly installed mysql database? |
| 19:30.51 | ^Timo^ | is that correct hark ? |
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| 19:31.03 | Borbus | I'd like to use sudo, but since it asks for my password.. if someone forced it with ssh, they would be able to get root too |
| 19:31.17 | Borbus | So is there any way I can use sudo like su.. ie. asks for root password not my password |
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| 19:31.56 | FastPutty | hi guys i got this message when i start dhcp |
| 19:32.20 | FastPutty | dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 19:32.32 | xingu | Borbus: why do you allow password authentication? |
| 19:32.38 | xingu | Borbus: ie, for ssh. |
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| 19:32.48 | Borbus | What should I allow? |
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| 19:33.01 | xingu | Borbus: create a dsa key |
| 19:33.10 | dalias | borbus, if someone compromises your account they can get root anyway |
| 19:33.20 | dkr | Borbus: rootpw If set, sudo will prompt for the root password instead of the password of the |
| 19:33.22 | Borbus | Well, I like to ssh into my box from multiple locations |
| 19:33.23 | dkr | man sudoers |
| 19:33.27 | dalias | just setup your bashrc or xsession to run a keysniffer or something |
| 19:33.32 | dalias | then wait for you to use su :) |
| 19:33.36 | xingu | !ssh keys |
| 19:33.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 19:33.55 | ^Timo^ | hark, : i have added the lines |
| 19:34.07 | ^Timo^ | what must i do to get java installed now ? |
| 19:34.12 | Borbus | dalias, I'd know though because there would be an unfamiliar IP that logged in |
| 19:34.15 | wols | !install java |
| 19:34.15 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from non-free if you're using etch/etch-backports/lenny/sid or ask me about <java-package>. |
| 19:34.18 | hark | ^Timo^: i am not going to walk you through it |
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| 19:35.25 | glen_quagmire | if you have to serve both windows and mac users for linux file server, do you want to use samba or apple talk? |
| 19:35.35 | ^Timo^ | hark, : ok. |
| 19:35.41 | dalias | samba |
| 19:35.43 | Borbus | Ahh... rootpw would work |
| 19:35.44 | dalias | appletalk is deprecated |
| 19:35.53 | hark | ^Timo^: /lastlog ^Timo^ |
| 19:35.53 | ^Timo^ | anyone else that wants to help me installing java |
| 19:36.09 | Borbus | But there's another problem.. with sudo once you authentice once it stays authenticated forever.. and since I use screen it would stay authenticated forever |
| 19:36.10 | FastPutty | someone know why i got this message: dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 19:36.12 | ^Timo^ | yes.. |
| 19:36.14 | glen_quagmire | dalias: oh thanks |
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| 19:36.17 | encolpe | Is there a channel for debian pkg-java ? |
| 19:36.22 | ^Timo^ | i have done the commands you guys given me |
| 19:36.24 | ^Timo^ | but.. |
| 19:36.30 | ^Timo^ | it still doesn't workz |
| 19:36.38 | Borbus | IS there a way to get it to ask for root password every time? |
| 19:36.53 | dkr | Borbus: you can set amoutn of time authentication lasts |
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| 19:37.17 | Borbus | What happens if the time runs out while a program is running? |
| 19:37.21 | xerophyte4 | how can i manually transfer zones from master dns server ? |
| 19:37.25 | dkr | Borbus: generally, it is best to read the instructions on how to configure software in order to configure it... I'm sure you can find the option in man sudoers, :) |
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| 19:37.32 | hark | ^Timo^: did you do an aptitude update after editing your sources.list? |
| 19:37.43 | Borbus | It's harder when you don't know what words to look for.. |
| 19:37.49 | Borbus | I could've read the whole thing I suppose |
| 19:38.02 | ^Timo^ | yes i did |
| 19:38.41 | aredhel | Borbus, when dealing with security it's best to read the whole thing. |
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| 19:38.43 | hark | ^Timo^: ok, now aptitude install sun-java5-jre |
| 19:39.12 | Borbus | Yeah |
| 19:39.20 | Borbus | I'm don't run a production box... just for the record |
| 19:39.29 | Borbus | I'm not claiming to be a professional :P |
| 19:39.56 | Borbus | I know a lot of "pros" know less than me though |
| 19:40.27 | xingu | man, lzma chows down the cpu. |
| 19:40.41 | xingu | and how come it's not threaded? I thought this was sposed to be modern-fu |
| 19:40.51 | Borbus | Do most people use dsa keys instead of passwords for ssh? |
| 19:41.11 | FastPutty | someone know why i got this message: dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 19:41.16 | xingu | Borbus: think about the difference in the key (search) space before asking that question. :) |
| 19:41.34 | FastPutty | someone know why i got this message when i try to start the dhcp server, dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
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| 19:41.37 | Borbus | Yes.., but it is inconvenient |
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| 19:42.15 | Speckal | would something like this be possible for the debian devels to incorporate? http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html |
| 19:42.18 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 19:42.26 | thelostbutler | FastPutty: you need to specify which network interface the dhcp server needs to list for requests |
| 19:42.28 | fas3r | nobody use crl with freeradius ? |
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| 19:42.56 | fiddleswrk | hey guys |
| 19:43.05 | fiddleswrk | i need the lastest versions of glib and gtk+ |
| 19:43.11 | fiddleswrk | how do i get it from the text os? |
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| 19:43.55 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: test os ? what is that |
| 19:44.00 | fiddleswrk | text |
| 19:44.00 | thelostbutler | **text |
| 19:44.05 | fiddleswrk | im trying to install xfce |
| 19:44.16 | fiddleswrk | which needs glib and gtk prety recent versions |
| 19:44.21 | fiddleswrk | my 2.0 isnt enough |
| 19:44.27 | fiddleswrk | so im in the text linux |
| 19:44.28 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: you compiling from sourc or installing from repositories ? |
| 19:44.31 | fiddleswrk | w/o a window manager |
| 19:44.36 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: oh command line |
| 19:44.44 | fiddleswrk | trying to instal packages with aptget |
| 19:44.53 | fiddleswrk | i dont know any other way |
| 19:44.59 | fiddleswrk | but i can find the latest packages |
| 19:45.02 | fiddleswrk | cant |
| 19:45.16 | fas3r | it's just for know if it's necessary i use tinyCA with CRL or TinyCA is install just for create the ca.root certs ... ? |
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| 19:45.28 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: apt-get install xfce4 did not work for you ? |
| 19:45.29 | linux_jones | i added deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free to sources.list on advice from a security howto i was reading, and now i get errors that say to apt-get update to fix the problem even when i run apt-get update, anyone know why? |
| 19:46.05 | fiddleswrk | hmm didnt try that haha |
| 19:46.08 | fiddleswrk | it wanted the cd |
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| 19:46.11 | thelostbutler | linux_jones: what are the errors you are getting ? |
| 19:46.29 | Duuuude | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build M=/home/ramin/rtl-wifi modules |
| 19:46.29 | Duuuude | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 19:46.35 | Duuuude | i tried using the different kernel header dirs but nothing worked |
| 19:46.44 | Duuuude | how should i make this pkg? |
| 19:46.47 | fiddleswrk | do i need the cd to install xfce or can i skip? |
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| 19:47.34 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: if your /etc/apt/sources.list has debian package mirrors then all you have to do is to run the command directly |
| 19:47.40 | fas3r | nobody ... :( ? |
| 19:47.49 | linux_jones | thelostbutler, http://pastebin.ca/724674 |
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| 19:48.43 | fiddleswrk | it does still asks for cd tho |
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| 19:49.08 | sid | I only have one hard disk on my desktop, how can I do a file system check? |
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| 19:49.15 | sid | I have no floppy or disc drives. |
| 19:49.17 | nvz | fiddleswrk: because your cd sources come first in the package cache and the mirror doesn't have a newer package most likely |
| 19:49.19 | mike1o | how do I use mplayer without X? |
| 19:49.38 | nvz | fiddleswrk: comment them out if you are online and apt-get update |
| 19:49.43 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: What video card ? |
| 19:49.44 | fiddleswrk | i type eject and it dls |
| 19:49.51 | valdyn | sid: use a livecd |
| 19:49.53 | fiddleswrk | how do i put mirror first in the cache?? |
| 19:49.59 | Sebboh | Hey hey. Suppose I have a JDBC driver in a jar. Where do I stick it? uh, /usr/local .. uh.. lib/java ? Something? |
| 19:50.00 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: (I used directfb with radeonfb and it worked really well) |
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| 19:50.16 | sid | valdyn: I have no disc drive |
| 19:50.16 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: on a radeon 9250 - check the different -vo's |
| 19:50.24 | valdyn | sid: then get one |
| 19:50.40 | mike1o | h3sp4wn, I have nvidia |
| 19:51.04 | valdyn | sid: go into single user mode, stop services as needed, umount -o ro that partition |
| 19:51.07 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: Will you be running it soley on the cli ? |
| 19:51.17 | thelostbutler | linux_jones: no idea :( |
| 19:51.31 | Borbus | Thanks guys.. bye |
| 19:51.38 | valdyn | sid: after that you can fsck it, then reboot / shutdown |
| 19:51.40 | mike1o | h3sp4wn, cli ? |
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| 19:51.58 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: will you never be using X |
| 19:52.00 | Sebboh | Ah, it's /usr/share/java .. :) Thanks, I just needed moral support as usual. :) |
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| 19:52.20 | mike1o | h3sp4wn, I just want more memory & processing power |
| 19:52.33 | fiddleswrk | how do i get to the package chache to change the cdrom setting? |
| 19:52.54 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: If you use nvidiafb then you cannot use nvidia-glx |
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| 19:52.55 | sid | valdyn: What services need to be shut down? |
| 19:53.03 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: edit /etc/apt/sources.list move the line that says cd below the other entries |
| 19:53.05 | valdyn | sid: those blocking mount -ro |
| 19:53.22 | valdyn | sid: whatever those may be, lsof and fuser can help figuring it out |
| 19:53.44 | valdyn | sid: mount -ro meant 'mount -o ro' . |
| 19:53.46 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: this is assuming you have other enteries. or you can just add a new network mirror to the top of that file and run apt-get update |
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| 19:54.27 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: for the most part with nvidia you get much better performance in X anyway |
| 19:54.28 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: if you have the cd, then might as well use the cd's |
| 19:54.28 | fiddleswrk | wont let |
| 19:54.43 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: are you logged in as root to edit the files ? |
| 19:55.04 | fiddleswrk | thelostbutler: it wont let me edit "error no edit mailcap rules found for type application/*" |
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| 19:55.05 | fiddleswrk | yes |
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| 19:55.31 | uttara | from which website can I download the unstable version of debian? |
| 19:55.36 | abrotman | you can't |
| 19:55.41 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: huh ? vi /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't work ? |
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| 19:56.17 | fiddleswrk | oh that works |
| 19:56.20 | michiel__ | what mail server do you guys recommend? |
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| 19:56.32 | abrotman | michiel__: depends on your needs |
| 19:56.47 | NetLSD | is beryl desktop a good idea to run with deb etch? |
| 19:56.51 | valdyn | michiel__: the default is ok |
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| 19:57.13 | michiel__ | i want pop & imap |
| 19:57.13 | abrotman | NetLSD: there's no beryl in etch |
| 19:57.19 | abrotman | michiel__: those aren't mail servers |
| 19:57.32 | dkr | michiel__: dovecot |
| 19:57.33 | NetLSD | I know, the tarbal download one |
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| 19:58.10 | michiel__ | NetLSD: thx |
| 19:58.14 | michiel__ | oops dkr: thx |
| 19:58.16 | michiel__ | :) |
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| 19:59.36 | fiddleswrk | how do i exit form vi? |
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| 20:00.12 | valdyn | fiddleswrk: <Esc> : q |
| 20:00.19 | valdyn | fiddleswrk: dont enter spaces.. |
| 20:00.37 | fiddleswrk | i completly destoryed everything in there |
| 20:00.48 | fiddleswrk | how woudl i quit and not save |
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| 20:00.54 | fiddleswrk | and i tihnk it froze now |
| 20:00.55 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: :q! |
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| 20:01.31 | fiddleswrk | it didnt work |
| 20:01.39 | fiddleswrk | q made it "recording" |
| 20:01.59 | \amethyst | fiddleswrk: then you didn't do : first |
| 20:02.16 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: you need to hit the esc key first and then hit the key : and then type in q! and hit enter |
| 20:02.19 | valdyn | fiddleswrk: silly you, you hit 3 keys in sequence : Escape followed by : followed by q ( add ! to loose changes ) |
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| 20:02.28 | lambda | hi |
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| 20:02.51 | Agiofws | any indication that that is a 5 in 1 card reader device http://rafb.net/p/7UZvEI69.html once i do modprobe sdhci ? |
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| 20:03.09 | fiddleswrk | oh |
| 20:03.12 | fiddleswrk | didnt know that |
| 20:03.15 | fiddleswrk | :( |
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| 20:03.58 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: maybe you are better of using nano for the moment if you don't know how to use vi |
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| 20:04.27 | lambda | dmesg detect my wireless mouse: |
| 20:04.28 | lambda | input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [MOSART Semi. Input Device] on usb-0000:00:02.0-2 |
| 20:04.30 | sts | how can i use debconf to ask for user input and how is it used to configure a package? |
| 20:04.30 | fiddleswrk | yay |
| 20:04.33 | fiddleswrk | i restarted |
| 20:04.36 | fiddleswrk | and it still ok |
| 20:04.41 | fiddleswrk | how do i move lines in vi now? |
| 20:04.43 | lambda | but it still doesn't work |
| 20:05.02 | lambda | anybody to turn a mouse on on debian ? |
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| 20:05.16 | NetLSD | plug it in? :) |
| 20:05.28 | lambda | yes with usb |
| 20:05.35 | thelostbutler | fiddleswrk: http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html for vi cheat sheet |
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| 20:06.18 | lambda | any clue for troubleshooting? please |
| 20:06.40 | thelostbutler | lambda: what is the mouse device in the X config file |
| 20:06.46 | NetLSD | in X or terminal? |
| 20:07.00 | sts | fiddleswrk: you can use CTRL-V, SHIFT-V or just V to select text. afterwards you can cut it via X or yank (paste) it via Y. |
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| 20:07.21 | lambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.35 | s[exe] | i'm using a dell XPS m1330. I've been told my sound card isn't supported until alsa 1.0.15rc1, so I'm installing that. The lib and modules and utils all seem to build correctly, and the modules insert into the kernel. Alsamixer says: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device. However, I do have devices in /dev/snd/ (as created by the alsa snddevices script). What am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:07.49 | NetLSD | that's PS/2 isn't it? |
| 20:08.04 | lambda | thelostbutler: and dmesg report /class/input/input4 |
| 20:08.19 | aredhel | lambda, try: Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
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| 20:08.24 | NetLSD | nm I installed linux a couple days ago after not using it for 10 years lol |
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| 20:08.29 | thelostbutler | lambda: try /dev/input/mice |
| 20:08.44 | sts | btw. regarding mouses on X. i've lately seen a friend using his 4th and 5th mouse button to go back and forward in firefox. any ideas how I could do this on linux? |
| 20:08.45 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: don't bother with anything except the driver |
| 20:08.51 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: and use uupdate |
| 20:09.04 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: apt-get source alsa-driver |
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| 20:09.17 | sts | he says thats the default behavior on windows. :( |
| 20:09.28 | s[exe] | h3sp4wn, that version isn't new enough. unstable has 1.0.14, and I need .15 |
| 20:10.01 | stiv2k | hey how can i set powersave to use the lowest CPU frequency possible when im running on batteries and to stay at the 'dynamic' setting when its plugged in? |
| 20:10.17 | stiv2k | cause as of now i been doing it manually by issuing powersave --powersave-speed -l |
| 20:10.20 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: My version is - Version: 1.0.15rc2-1+spacecat2 |
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| 20:10.30 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: You have to use uupdate |
| 20:10.38 | Dvarjen | sts: i googled my mouse and xorg conf and found the config for button 4 and 5 |
| 20:10.38 | Seb | is there no xen kernel in sid ? |
| 20:10.58 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: (it all patches just fine and then you build a new alsa-source deb |
| 20:10.59 | valdyn | stiv2k: you want to use something like 'powersaved' that provides complete powersaving policies depending on power supply status |
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| 20:11.15 | s[exe] | h3sp4wn, okay, I haven't used uupdate previously. I'll investigate; thanks. |
| 20:11.38 | stiv2k | valdyn: hm |
| 20:11.54 | stiv2k | valdyn: i have that |
| 20:11.55 | stiv2k | root 3352 0.0 0.1 38488 2088 ? S Oct02 0:00 /usr/sbin/powersaved -d -f /var/run/acpid.socket |
| 20:12.04 | sts | stiv2k: if you use gnome there is also a small applet called "CPU frequency sclaing monitor" which you could use to monitor it, or set it manually. |
| 20:12.12 | sts | stiv2k: works like a charme. |
| 20:12.13 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: If you cannot work it out ping me in a few hours (I always use an external alsa-driver seems to work better with my card) - as I am on rc2 |
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| 20:12.19 | valdyn | stiv2k: kde has a setup tool, or you can use an editor |
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| 20:12.28 | h3sp4wn | s[exe]: and I may as well have rc3 when I update my kernel |
| 20:12.33 | sts | Dvarjen: so what was the link? :) |
| 20:12.34 | plb | my ntpd is not synching, is there a way to force it to synch now |
| 20:12.44 | s[exe] | h3sp4wn, thanks. I think I should be able to sort it out. |
| 20:12.57 | stiv2k | sts: yes i have that applet.... i just dont think it sets it to "powersave" from "dynamic" automatically |
| 20:13.07 | stiv2k | sts: im not in gnome at the moment though |
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| 20:13.13 | stiv2k | but i have gnome-power-manager loaded |
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| 20:13.17 | xand | what's the thing that makes flash work on amd64? |
| 20:13.21 | FastPutty | nice a noob question is 10.0.0.0/24 mean 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.255 ? |
| 20:13.26 | abrotman | ndispluginwrapper or something |
| 20:13.26 | FastPutty | guys* |
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| 20:13.31 | xand | thanks |
| 20:13.31 | valdyn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 20:13.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | FastPutty: ask #networking |
| 20:13.38 | stiv2k | xand: theres gnash and then there's the way to load 32libs and programs w/ nspluginwrapper |
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| 20:14.09 | \amethyst | FastPutty: ipcalc 10.0.0.0/24 |
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| 20:14.39 | console_jockey | just starting out with debian (though I've been using ubuntu for a while). I've downloaded the latest live debian iso and I'm trying to use it to install, however while at the boot prompt when I type install or installgui or export or exportgui I get a message "Could not find kernel image:". Any idea what's wrong with the live CD (or me)? |
| 20:14.42 | sts | stiv2k: no, but you can use it to set it manually, in case you need more power for a specific task and you are in powersave mode. |
| 20:14.51 | abrotman | console_jockey: use the real netinst |
| 20:15.01 | abrotman | !d-i console_jockey |
| 20:15.01 | dpkg | console_jockey, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:15.11 | xand | dpkg: so you're behaving now? |
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| 20:15.32 | stiv2k | sts: i see |
| 20:15.33 | console_jockey | abrotman: I'm trying to install to a new VM with VMware, which is why I went with the iso... |
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| 20:15.52 | stiv2k | valdyn: so if i have powersaved, how can i have a look at what's going on? |
| 20:15.59 | sts | console_jockey: what happens if you just press enter? |
| 20:16.20 | console_jockey | sts: it boots to a live image.. but then there is no install option (or at least none that I can find) |
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| 20:16.47 | valdyn | stiv2k: hmm, no idea, i cant access my notebook from here, where its installed. =/. You can select predifined policies in /etc/powersave/ i think |
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| 20:16.52 | pike__ | heh debian creating controversy on slash again. |
| 20:16.58 | valdyn | stiv2k: with more and less aggressive powersaving settings |
| 20:16.58 | sts | hm. never seen this install method. where did you get it from? |
| 20:17.10 | sts | console_jockey: ^^ |
| 20:17.27 | stiv2k | valdyn: nice |
| 20:17.42 | console_jockey | sts: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/current/i386/debian-live-etch-i386-kde-desktop.iso |
| 20:18.00 | NetLSD | <3 KDE |
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| 20:18.22 | valdyn | stiv2k: aggressive defaults are fine for me, exccept that i switched off spinning disks down |
| 20:18.38 | stiv2k | valdyn: why? |
| 20:18.50 | valdyn | stiv2k: its saves about nothing and annoys me |
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| 20:19.09 | stiv2k | don't the disks use up considerable juice though |
| 20:19.17 | valdyn | stiv2k: not exactly |
| 20:19.18 | console_jockey | sts: when you boot to the iso and select f3 from the boot menu (which displays the various boot options) there are four: install, installgui, expert, exportgui - none of which seem to work. |
| 20:19.18 | sts | console_jockey: huh? get one of these, which work as well for vmware: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
| 20:19.28 | valdyn | stiv2k: keeping a disk just rotating is very cheap |
| 20:19.43 | valdyn | stiv2k: accelerating a disk is very expensive for the few seconds it takes |
| 20:19.50 | stiv2k | valdyn: what do you think uses the most power in a laptop |
| 20:19.53 | sts | console_jockey: i suggest this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:19.55 | amphi | stiv2k: they need to spin down for a while to compensate for the extra load spinning them up |
| 20:19.55 | stiv2k | valdyn: you have a good point there |
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| 20:20.16 | valdyn | stiv2k: someone did measurements - its in any case not much what your disk uses when its only spinning |
| 20:20.22 | sts | console_jockey: i don't know this ISO. |
| 20:20.45 | sts | console_jockey: use the netinst ISO, which is sufficient. |
| 20:20.52 | valdyn | stiv2k: cpu uses most naturally, maybe unless you have certain gamer laptops, dunno |
| 20:21.05 | console_jockey | sts: ok, I'll give it a whirl |
| 20:21.18 | stiv2k | valdyn: i see... yea that's why i want the cpu to stay at 800 mhz instead of 1600 when on battery |
| 20:21.24 | sts | console_jockey: i suppose you don't depend on bandwith and traffic... |
| 20:21.42 | console_jockey | sadly, at least today, I do... |
| 20:21.46 | stiv2k | in general its a very quiet laptop and the battery still lasts a decent amount of time though... HP really improved on their notebooks |
| 20:21.48 | console_jockey | but I can fake it |
| 20:21.49 | valdyn | stiv2k: right |
| 20:22.03 | stiv2k | tho its already a year old almost |
| 20:22.07 | valdyn | stiv2k: see 'powertop' too btw |
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| 20:22.28 | valdyn | !powertop |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | a Linux tool that finds the software component(s) that make your laptop use more power than necessary while it is idle. See http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php for more info. |
| 20:22.32 | sts | hm. well, it's just 160M for the ISO image and (i suppose) about 300-500 MB for the installation. |
| 20:22.45 | sts | console_jockey: depends on what you really need. ^^ |
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| 20:23.03 | stiv2k | valdyn: nice |
| 20:23.26 | stiv2k | yeah i noticed the bat lasts longer in winxp still |
| 20:23.43 | fiddleswrk | yaya i did it! |
| 20:23.45 | fiddleswrk | THX ALL |
| 20:24.01 | console_jockey | sts: yeah, I don't need to spend a lot of time/bandwidth on it today. Just getting the install CD might be sufficient. Ultimately I just want to install it, not just run a live CD, so this should be a step in the right direction. |
| 20:24.04 | sts | where can i find help about debconf (the CM tool, not the conference) |
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| 20:24.41 | sts | console_jockey: yeah, the minimal install doesn't use more 300-500MB |
| 20:25.01 | sts | console_jockey: don't forget to install vmware tools. ;-) |
| 20:25.35 | \amethyst | sts: man 7 debconf perhaps |
| 20:25.56 | stiv2k | valdyn: i dont think i can use that, i have an amd turion 64x2 |
| 20:26.00 | stiv2k | and x86_64 |
| 20:26.21 | valdyn | stiv2k: you still can |
| 20:26.27 | stiv2k | valdyn: tho it looks like an awesome program |
| 20:26.28 | khfjkhd | i installed alsa lib/driver/utils 1.0.54rc1 together with the sigmatel patch to get my sound card working in debian just like i would in any other distro, but for some reason i still have no sound, does debian modprobe some other snd modules that might conflict with the snd-hda-intel one? |
| 20:26.32 | Dvarjen | is anyone here running torrentflux and mysql-server5.0?? |
| 20:26.50 | valdyn | stiv2k: the monitoring tool will work less nice, but the scanning of things you could tweak would still work |
| 20:27.10 | console_jockey | sts: no problem, thanks |
| 20:27.11 | valdyn | stiv2k: like switching powersaving modes on usb / sound / whatever |
| 20:27.27 | valdyn | stiv2k: stuff that you wouldnt think of or dont know how |
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| 20:27.37 | stiv2k | valdyn: yeah |
| 20:27.43 | stiv2k | valdyn: just installed it |
| 20:28.04 | sts | \amethyst: I'm looking for a manual. not a single man page. :P~ |
| 20:28.05 | console_jockey | I do have a general question: if I want to get the host name of an address on my network, what's the tool to do this? I've tried ping, but pinging an address just tells you that it's there, it doesn't return a host name... |
| 20:28.18 | sts | console_jockey: dig |
| 20:28.22 | khfjkhd | anyone? |
| 20:28.29 | valdyn | console_jockey: 'host <ip>' |
| 20:28.31 | sts | console_jockey: or just host 1.2.3.4 |
| 20:28.51 | sts | console_jockey: dig is the more advanded one which can do all kinds of DNS lookups. |
| 20:28.58 | stiv2k | valdyn: it says no detailed stats available |
| 20:29.20 | valdyn | stiv2k: that's ok, it doesnt matter, just watch bottom |
| 20:29.24 | valdyn | stiv2k: for the hints |
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| 20:29.45 | stiv2k | Suggestion: Enable the CONFIG_NO_HZ kernel configuration option. |
| 20:29.46 | stiv2k | This option is required to get any kind of longer sleep times in the CPU. |
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| 20:30.07 | valdyn | stiv2k: forget that one on amd64 for a few months probably |
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| 20:30.21 | stiv2k | valdyn: why? |
| 20:30.27 | valdyn | stiv2k: not implemented |
| 20:30.33 | valdyn | stiv2k: its i386 only atm |
| 20:30.39 | stiv2k | valdyn: ghey |
| 20:31.30 | stiv2k | Suggestion: increase the VM dirty writeback time from 4.99 to 15 seconds with: echo 1500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs |
| 20:31.33 | stiv2k | This wakes the disk up less frequenty for background VM activity |
| 20:31.39 | hark_ | ^Timo^: did that work then? |
| 20:31.53 | valdyn | stiv2k: right, you can do that one |
| 20:32.03 | stiv2k | valdyn: i dont know what that is |
| 20:32.11 | valdyn | stiv2k: though powersave would probably do it too if you removed the psu, no idea |
| 20:32.18 | valdyn | stiv2k: a command |
| 20:32.29 | stiv2k | oh |
| 20:33.36 | stiv2k | valdyn: it says permission denied |
| 20:33.42 | stiv2k | (even w/ sudo) |
| 20:33.56 | valdyn | stiv2k: you cant sudo 'echo' |
| 20:34.04 | stiv2k | just gotta do it as root? |
| 20:34.06 | valdyn | stiv2k: use su |
| 20:34.09 | valdyn | stiv2k: yea |
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| 20:36.40 | Speckal | would something like this be possible for the debian devels to incorporate? http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html |
| 20:36.42 | stiv2k | valdyn: what is dirty writeback time, anyway? |
| 20:36.51 | Speckal | it looks to be an excellent idea |
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| 20:37.23 | stiv2k | Suggestion: Enable the CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND kernel configuration option. |
| 20:37.23 | stiv2k | This option will automatically disable UHCI USB when not in use, and may |
| 20:37.23 | stiv2k | save approximately 1 Watt of power. |
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| 20:37.47 | sputnick | hi there |
| 20:37.55 | enyc | sputnick: meep moop |
| 20:38.38 | sputnick | is debian looking on the first or second line to calculate priority with apt_preferences configures |
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| 20:38.42 | sputnick | d? |
| 20:38.48 | sputnick | # Lenny (testing) |
| 20:38.48 | sputnick | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 20:39.18 | sputnick | is apt-get looking on the first or second line to calculate priority with apt_preferences configured ? |
| 20:39.24 | sputnick | ( better ) :) |
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| 20:40.42 | softwork | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 20:40.42 | softwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.42 | softwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.43 | OleMoudi | whats combination to end input after doing a "cat > file1" |
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| 20:41.08 | softwork | i have linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 why display in upgrade? |
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| 20:41.18 | softwork | i have this versions... |
| 20:41.31 | softwork | why appear in upgrade |
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| 20:41.41 | softwork | ? |
| 20:42.28 | Terminus | hello. question, where can i find out what packages the standard installation installs? |
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| 20:42.46 | hark | softwork: because there was a security update. |
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| 20:43.02 | softwork | thx |
| 20:43.08 | softwork | example etch2 etch3 ? |
| 20:43.28 | Dvarjen | ok.. so now i have a apt-get question.. if i want to install a specific version of a package. in this case mysql-server5.0.45. how would i do that?? |
| 20:43.31 | hark | softwork: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1381 |
| 20:43.44 | softwork | thx |
| 20:43.48 | faemir | is it possible for me to make qt applications look like my current gtk settings? scribus looks rather ugly :P |
| 20:44.15 | hark | Dvarjen: apt-get install foo=version |
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| 20:44.28 | lambda | I have a device : MOSART Semi. Input Device |
| 20:44.29 | Dvarjen | hark: didnt work |
| 20:44.46 | lambda | but this wireless mouse doesn't work anyway |
| 20:44.58 | Terminus | Dvarjen: you can install only the version that's actually in the repo. |
| 20:45.02 | hark | Dvarjen: does apt-cache policy show the package? |
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| 20:45.09 | Dvarjen | ill try |
| 20:45.19 | Terminus | Dvarjen: if you want something newer, you'll have to install it manually. |
| 20:45.19 | Farhadix | th |
| 20:45.33 | lambda | could someone tell me if there 's driver for MOSART Semi. Input Device ? |
| 20:45.34 | Farhadix | th |
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| 20:46.28 | Dvarjen | Terminus: ok. the funny thing is that i can find the package when i browse my repo |
| 20:46.52 | maxdoubt | i'm trying to sell my company on using debian, I was wondering if there's a list of companies using debian that i could refer management to? |
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| 20:46.58 | hark | OleMoudi: ^d |
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| 20:47.25 | maxdoubt | i know its always been big with telco companies... just don't know who |
| 20:47.30 | lambda | lsusb report a : |
| 20:47.31 | lambda | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 062a:0107 Creative Labs |
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| 20:48.06 | benjamindees | faemir, you can install a qt style then start your app with '-style=' |
| 20:48.14 | mvanbaak | heya all |
| 20:48.18 | mvanbaak | I have a .deb |
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| 20:48.35 | DjamKaret | how do i configure sudoers for a user to only use a given command? |
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| 20:48.43 | techbie | Dvarjen: mysql -server5.0.45 is available in backport |
| 20:48.44 | mvanbaak | how can I decompress it so I have all the files, including the debian specific files like control etc ? |
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| 20:49.17 | faemir | BenderUnit22, how would I go about doing that? I found a configuration thing, but it's for qt4, where as scribus is qt3 |
| 20:49.29 | nvz | DjamKaret: nvz ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 20:49.42 | Terminus | !info mysql etch |
| 20:49.57 | Terminus | !info mysql-server-5.0 etch |
| 20:50.00 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 24633 kB, Installed size: 66648 kB |
| 20:50.08 | nvz | DjamKaret: you can remove the NOPASSWD if you want |
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| 20:50.37 | Terminus | !info mysql-server-5.0 lenny |
| 20:50.39 | Dvarjen | Terminus, hark: thanks for the help, i found the package on my repo downloaded and did a dpkg -i <packagename> on them |
| 20:50.41 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (MySQL database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.45-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 26069 kB, Installed size: 81664 kB |
| 20:50.50 | nvz | DjamKaret: it can also be a comma seperated list of commands |
| 20:51.04 | DjamKaret | nvz: i tried to do it with aliases |
| 20:51.05 | Dvarjen | Terminus: that would be the package i installed |
| 20:51.06 | Terminus | Dvarjen: ah... guess you're using lenny. should have asked first. hehe |
| 20:51.14 | Dvarjen | :D |
| 20:51.18 | DjamKaret | User_Alias CANDIDATES = andrew, thomas, robert |
| 20:51.24 | dserban | here's my problem... I have a multihomed router which boots over nfs (diskless), its main route always defaults to the boot network rather than its outside interface... i've set metrics, they stick, but on ip route show it shows the default boot network entered twice... metric 0 and 3... crappy huh? what is the "debianized" way to specify that the boot gateway is not the default gw? |
| 20:51.30 | DjamKaret | Cmnd_Alias EDITOR = /usr/bin/gedit |
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| 20:53.18 | DjamKaret | CANDIDATES ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: EDITOR |
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| 20:53.38 | dserban | by the way... nbd = the sexiest thing I've ever played with ... discuss. |
| 20:54.17 | mvanbaak | nbd == network block device ? |
| 20:54.20 | mvanbaak | right ? |
| 20:54.28 | dserban | yep |
| 20:54.43 | mvanbaak | it's only able to be mounted on one client as far as I know |
| 20:55.00 | glen_quagmire | how can I see memory usage (physical + swap) of a specific process? |
| 20:55.13 | \amethyst | dserban: have you seen gnbd? |
| 20:55.29 | mvanbaak | gnbd is for multiple clients |
| 20:55.47 | mvanbaak | put something like ocfs2 in the mix and you can build your own redundant setup |
| 20:55.58 | mvanbaak | let gnbd export a drbd device |
| 20:56.30 | dserban | \amethyst, yep I've seen it, but haven't used it. |
| 20:56.32 | mvanbaak | let the gnbd and drbd work together with heartbeat and you'll have true redundant storage for a cluster of frontends (xen or vmware) |
| 20:56.48 | dserban | but yeah... exactly what I was getting at... redundancy |
| 20:56.51 | dserban | hot stuff |
| 20:57.05 | dserban | anyhoo, anyone have an answer to my default route question? |
| 20:57.07 | mvanbaak | we found gnbd to be not 100% stable |
| 20:57.19 | mvanbaak | so what we did is: install a netapp |
| 20:57.34 | dserban | mvanbaak, I've heard though... it's designed for a network which is never 100% stable anyway |
| 20:57.49 | Terminus | dserban: is that static ip? if so, you can configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:58.06 | dserban | Terminus, nope it's a dhcp acquired address. |
| 20:58.10 | mvanbaak | dserban: well, we are running 380 virtual machines off it |
| 20:58.13 | mvanbaak | so it has to be stable |
| 20:58.27 | dserban | Terminus, indeed I know where to set them, though my problem is that metrics don't seem to be 100% paid attention to. |
| 20:58.37 | dserban | mvanbaak, holy crap! :o |
| 20:58.39 | Terminus | dserban: oh ok... |
| 20:59.38 | mvanbaak | 200 under xen, 180 under vmware |
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| 21:01.01 | mvanbaak | ok, how can I "decompile" a .deb ? |
| 21:01.08 | mvanbaak | including the DEBIAN/ dir ? |
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| 21:01.21 | dserban | dpkg -x ? |
| 21:01.26 | mvanbaak | I never had to do it |
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| 21:01.35 | mvanbaak | I always only create .deb from my own stuff |
| 21:01.37 | dserban | mvanbaak, dpkg -x will extract it |
| 21:01.43 | wagner_br|se | how i can update the glib? |
| 21:02.03 | mvanbaak | no, that will only extract the directories |
| 21:02.06 | mvanbaak | I think |
| 21:02.09 | wagner_br|se | to the latest version after get it and compile... |
| 21:02.27 | sts | is there a way to install a package with the same name twice? |
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| 21:03.00 | nvz | sts: and.. uh.. why would you do that? |
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| 21:03.57 | sts | nvz: i considered to create a debian package for each webapplication a customer wants to install. |
| 21:04.11 | sts | nvz: so i can easily upgrade a package etc. |
| 21:04.48 | sts | nvz: so there is one package which should deliver the base structure of a customer's diretory tree. customer-common |
| 21:05.13 | nvz | sts: then each web application should have a different package name |
| 21:05.16 | \amethyst | does customer-common have the custormer name in it? |
| 21:05.17 | sts | nvz: otherwise i'd have to create a package for each customer, like customer-foo-common |
| 21:05.33 | sts | \amethyst: no |
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| 21:05.44 | \amethyst | sts: so where do the per-user directories come from? |
| 21:05.51 | sid | What is a good place to buy minipci chipset for a debian laptop? |
| 21:05.54 | sid | for wireless |
| 21:05.54 | \amethyst | sts: or per-customer |
| 21:06.00 | sts | \amethyst: but i'd still considering on how to do everything. |
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| 21:06.21 | nvz | sid: I'd go for a place that sells them. |
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| 21:06.30 | sid | nvz: Where? |
| 21:06.35 | nvz | sid: the grocery store is probably not a good place to start |
| 21:06.36 | \amethyst | sts: Who owns the files in the package customer-common ? |
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| 21:06.44 | sts | \amethyst: well it's a base structure like /customers/customer-x/[htdocs|tmp|log|etc] |
| 21:07.05 | nvz | sid: you could live anywhere in the world, and i could recommend a place that is only specific to my region |
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| 21:07.16 | sid | nvz: I'm in NY |
| 21:07.18 | Loof | I'm having some issues with cups(ys) |
| 21:07.19 | nvz | sid: nor do I know if you are able to shop online or looking for a retail store |
| 21:07.23 | Loof | When I use the admin. I keep getting <hostname>.localdomain as the host even though I have ServerName in the config... and the CUPS_SERVER env. variable set to my IP |
| 21:07.29 | sid | nvz: You don't know of a website? |
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| 21:07.44 | nvz | sid: I shop on pricewatch.com, lists prices from wholesellers all around the country |
| 21:07.51 | nvz | sid: newegg.com is good too |
| 21:08.14 | nvz | sid: then there is tigerdirect.com but I think there is something shady about the way they do business I try avoid them |
| 21:08.16 | sts | \amethyst: i see, so it would be better to create a package per customer. |
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| 21:08.48 | \amethyst | sts: Maybe... should the customer be able to change those files? |
| 21:08.58 | nvz | sid: I mean they always delivered me working stuff but they seem to mangle invoices so warrentys are expired by time oyu get the shit.. so I stopped dealing with them years ago |
| 21:08.58 | sts | \amethyst: what about some mechanism that would create X customer directories from 1 package? like i run dpkg-reconfigure for the package and add a new customer name? |
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| 21:09.38 | sts | \amethyst: hm. depends on the file. some, some not. :) |
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| 21:10.16 | \amethyst | sts: What should happen when you upgrade the package and they have modified the file? |
| 21:10.20 | Ace2016 | Hi again |
| 21:10.35 | Ace2016 | i'm going to finally get some disks and burn the install cds of debian |
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| 21:10.44 | Ace2016 | but which of the 26 dvds do i need |
| 21:10.48 | sts | \amethyst: it should warn me and ask me to merge the file? |
| 21:10.56 | Ace2016 | i need at the very least a desktop and a web browser |
| 21:11.04 | Ace2016 | i would like the base install and maybe kde |
| 21:11.10 | \amethyst | sts: then anything the user can modify should be a conffile |
| 21:11.15 | Ace2016 | can someone tell me what disks are needed to install that please |
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| 21:11.36 | Ronin | Ace2016: disk one and the rest using aptitude |
| 21:11.52 | Ronin | can be done with a mini cd with netinstall too |
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| 21:12.10 | \amethyst | sts: for the unmodifiable things, you can set up a link farm for each customer from a single customer-common tree |
| 21:12.33 | Ace2016 | no i can't get the rest using apt |
| 21:12.38 | \amethyst | sts: for things they can modify, you probably want a separate package per user |
| 21:12.48 | Ronin | Ace2016: why can't you |
| 21:12.49 | Ace2016 | the network needs people to login and and register to use it |
| 21:13.02 | Ace2016 | so i need at least a browser to be working before i can work on anything |
| 21:13.08 | Ace2016 | so what disks do i need??? |
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| 21:13.31 | sts | \amethyst: yeah, each hosted webapp should get another package. like webapp-customerFoo-gallery2 |
| 21:13.44 | Ronin | disk 1 and anything else you can use aptitude, iirc the default X is gnome that way |
| 21:14.44 | sts | \amethyst: so upgrading the application will get easier. |
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| 21:15.16 | Ronin | although getting 2 may not be a bad idea |
| 21:15.45 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to find out whats on those debian install disks?? |
| 21:16.25 | sts | \amethyst: but the main thing i tought it would be worth packaging the apps, is in case in need to create a new hosted webapp account i just need to install the base package. |
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| 21:16.39 | sts | s/tought/thought/ |
| 21:16.41 | Ronin | Ace2016: www.debian.org |
| 21:17.07 | Ace2016 | -_- |
| 21:17.23 | Ronin | seriously |
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| 21:18.42 | Ronin | think theres a bot command to give a url but im not positive |
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| 21:19.26 | TLF | hi all |
| 21:19.39 | sts | \amethyst: have you ever heard of such a concept before? |
| 21:19.56 | TLF | may I ask, it's possible to force apt-get to install a package? (this is, to ignore unresolved dependencies) |
| 21:20.03 | benjamindees | !tell Ace2016 about d-i |
| 21:20.05 | Ronin | amazing what searching will do: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 21:20.25 | Farhadix | I try to compile courier-imap, I edit debian/rules and add --with-authvchkpw, after that, I run "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot" but after about 8 minutes compiling returns this error: http://pastebin.com/d59ecea72 how fix it? |
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| 21:21.06 | \amethyst | sts: you could write a script to take your base package and make a customer-specific package out of it (changing the package name and the paths) |
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| 21:22.24 | Ace2016 | ok well is the first dvd enough for a desktop install + browser? |
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| 21:23.05 | sts | \amethyst: yeah, thats what i thought off, but i'm just starting to build debian packages, so this is why i wanted to know if it's possible to have one package that takes care of all the customer base directory structures. |
| 21:23.11 | \amethyst | sts: or you could give each user a separate dpkg root, and install the packages multiple times |
| 21:23.52 | \amethyst | but then you need to give --root to dpkg when you deal with each package |
| 21:24.06 | \amethyst | s/package/customer/ |
| 21:24.13 | TLF | no ideas on my problem? |
| 21:24.55 | dserban | ok, maybe if I ask the question differently, people will stand up and wave frantically because everyone wants to answer!... how do I get debian to stop selecting a default route on boot? |
| 21:25.29 | sts | TLF: why would you want to ignore the dependencies? |
| 21:25.57 | Ronin | getting tired of answering the same question Ace2016 :) |
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| 21:26.29 | TLF | sts: because it's and old package that I know it will not harm the system :) |
| 21:26.36 | ma3x | how can I fix mencoder audio/video sync problems? |
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| 21:27.32 | Nyle | good freakin evening |
| 21:27.41 | dserban | How does one stop Debian from selecting a default route on boot? |
| 21:27.48 | rahul | good freaking prog power usa |
| 21:27.52 | Ace2016 | Nyle: something the matter? |
| 21:27.53 | rahul | later |
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| 21:27.58 | Nyle | rahul: aaj kya kar raha hai? |
| 21:28.00 | felixhcat | Hello |
| 21:28.01 | D4N` | Hello |
| 21:28.18 | rahul | prog power usa!!! |
| 21:28.21 | Azio | hello! |
| 21:28.33 | Nyle | rahul: gandoo :) |
| 21:28.47 | rahul | heh |
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| 21:29.06 | sts | TLF: man dpkg --> search for ignore-depends |
| 21:29.06 | Nyle | dude |
| 21:29.20 | Nyle | rahul: my rent is gonna be lowered by at leat 50-100$ |
| 21:29.21 | Nyle | hehe |
| 21:29.22 | rahul | gotta run |
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| 21:29.23 | Ace2016 | Ronin: yea i've finally decided to properly install debian, but i need to pick the install media, why can't debin just pick 2 cds or a dvd that you install from, with a pre defined set of basic apps for everyday usage, like knoppix, which will install the base system, instead of this 26 cd nonsense |
| 21:29.23 | rahul | nice |
| 21:29.37 | rahul | Nyle: gotta get to my buddy's house so we can start driving down |
| 21:29.42 | dembug | Hello All, I'm using an md "device" in linux @ raid 0 and possibly regretting it heh, EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. |
| 21:29.43 | rahul | Ace2016: because you can |
| 21:29.44 | TLF | sts: yes, but how I can download the packages first? aptitude -d install package still checks for depends |
| 21:29.45 | Nyle | rahul: ok |
| 21:29.53 | Nyle | rahul: ramadan here, have fun |
| 21:29.55 | Ace2016 | 2 cds or even 4 cds to install from, is that too much to ask for :( |
| 21:29.57 | rahul | Ace2016: you don't need any of them. read the damn install guide before bitching about what it can or can't do |
| 21:30.00 | Ronin | Ace2016: they do, its called net install,disk 1 or 2, dvd 1 etc, all 28 is if you want to get EVERYTHING |
| 21:30.01 | rahul | Nyle: yeah, I know :) |
| 21:30.05 | dembug | Is there any way I can convert a stripe to a mirror without being inhouse on an md device? |
| 21:30.13 | Nyle | who is bitching? |
| 21:30.15 | Ronin | Ace2016: do some reading |
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| 21:30.22 | Ronin | Nyle: Ace2016 |
| 21:30.26 | sts | TLF: what do you want to do? |
| 21:30.28 | Ronin | but its no more then i did :) |
| 21:30.31 | felixhcat | no |
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| 21:30.48 | Nyle | !tell Ace2016 -about ig |
| 21:30.49 | Ronin | should have heard the grumbeling first time i installed linux and then debian heh |
| 21:30.49 | Ace2016 | rahul: yes i need them, i can't do the net install |
| 21:31.01 | Nyle | Ace2016: why can you not do netinst? |
| 21:31.04 | AbsintheSyringe | is there any console pdf viewer, that is I wanna view my .pdf's but without having to start x |
| 21:31.04 | rahul | Ace2016: then you shuold buy an internet connection |
| 21:31.10 | rahul | wierdo. |
| 21:31.17 | Ronin | Ace2016: then as before disk 1 and maybe disk 2, but if cd 1 will do what do you think dvd will do? |
| 21:31.22 | faemir | Can someone tell me where I can get the unstable new style clearlooks theme to use on my testing machine? |
| 21:31.31 | Ace2016 | i have an internet connection!, at the uni, but the pc needs to authenticate using the browser! |
| 21:31.41 | Ace2016 | so i need cds to do a basic install with a browser! |
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| 21:31.52 | Nyle | ,hmm |
| 21:31.55 | Nyle | ok |
| 21:31.58 | Farhadix | I asked in courier-imap mail list, but they said ask debian mail list, there is any body can help me |
| 21:32.08 | Ace2016 | gnome-look? |
| 21:32.18 | Nyle | gnome-themes and gnome-themes-extras |
| 21:32.21 | Nyle | have fun |
| 21:32.35 | Nyle | gtk2-engines-clearlooks? |
| 21:32.44 | benjamindees | Ace2016, 4 cds is plenty |
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| 21:33.05 | kb3llm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.25 | Nyle | 1400x1050 |
| 21:33.29 | Ace2016 | 4cds or 1 dvd gets me to my browser? |
| 21:33.36 | Nyle | inever heard of 1680x1050 |
| 21:33.37 | Nyle | anyway |
| 21:33.45 | Ace2016 | the 1 dvd is proably going to be less hastle so would that work? |
| 21:33.54 | dembug | Hi, I have unwittingly done something stupid and put a machine inhouse with raid0 instead of raid1 , unfortunately this has resulted in ext3 orphans |
| 21:33.55 | Ronin | i give up, apparently Ace2016 cant read |
| 21:33.57 | Nyle | kb3llm: edit xorg.conf and change the resolution |
| 21:33.59 | dkr | Nyle: common res for widescreen 19-ish inch monitors |
| 21:34.04 | dembug | I'm away from the datacentre.. but if anyone has any advice I'd welcome it |
| 21:34.09 | benjamindees | AbsintheSyringe, you could convert it to some image format and use a console image viewer |
| 21:34.12 | dembug | Preferably advice other than "OMG you idiot!" |
| 21:34.13 | Nyle | !tell kb3llm -about confmiss |
| 21:34.21 | Nyle | !tell kb3llm -about drxx |
| 21:34.37 | Ronin | Nyle: that still work with dpkg on drugs today? :) |
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| 21:34.49 | Nyle | Ronin: excuse me? |
| 21:34.55 | AbsintheSyringe | benjamindees, interesting, however what should I use as an image viewer, and it would sipaly as asci right? |
| 21:35.14 | benjamindees | AbsintheSyringe, no there are framebuffer/svga viewers |
| 21:35.22 | Ronin | Nyle: never mind dpkg was seriously lagged today |
| 21:35.30 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:35.36 | Nyle | I just came from work I dunno :) |
| 21:35.40 | benjamindees | AbsintheSyringe, I think it's called 'gzv' |
| 21:35.57 | benjamindees | AbsintheSyringe, er, zgv rather |
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| 21:36.13 | benjamindees | !zgv |
| 21:36.14 | dpkg | [zgv] a graphics viewer at ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/graphics/viewers/svga/zgv2.8-bin.tar.gz or zgv does gif. lame, or your console pr0n viewer, or laden with a nasty bug and the MAINTAINER WON'T ANSWER! |
| 21:36.19 | AbsintheSyringe | benjamindees, yea right, almost forgot, when we're on it, why wont my mplayer play videos from console, it just crashes witout doing anything, is mplayer movietitle.avi enough? |
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| 21:36.36 | AbsintheSyringe | benjamindees, yea got it by zgv, tnx |
| 21:37.07 | kb3llm | Nyle: I deleted the xorg.conf though. thats the problem |
| 21:37.09 | freeone3000 | AbsintheSyringe: Yes, it should be, and it would try all possible outputs until it gets one. Might as well try specifiying -vo aa explicitly though |
| 21:37.18 | AVRS | good night all |
| 21:37.51 | gkiagia | kb3llm: does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" help? |
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| 21:38.07 | benjamindees | AbsintheSyringe, if you compiled it yourself it probably doesn't include all possible output drivers |
| 21:38.23 | AbsintheSyringe | freeone3000, hm, -vo aa works, but ... not quite what I was looking for |
| 21:38.34 | AbsintheSyringe | benjamindees, nah I'm just using the testing package |
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| 21:39.13 | benjamindees | AbsintheSyringe, make sure your framebuffer device is working |
| 21:39.18 | TLF | sts: done, thank you very much for your help :) |
| 21:39.26 | AbsintheSyringe | benjamindees, k |
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| 21:41.54 | mvanbaak | anyone know of a good doc about how to create a deb for a webapplication |
| 21:42.31 | freeone3000 | I have nvidia-kernel-common installed. This should provide nvidia drivers for my device, right? |
| 21:44.14 | freeone3000 | As in, the Driver section in xorg.conf should read "nvidia", not "nv"? |
| 21:44.48 | benjamindees | AbsintheSyringe, I would be interested in seeing a pdf plugin for konqueror embedded :) |
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| 21:45.27 | gkiagia | freeone3000: yes, the official nvidia driver reads "nvidia" in xorg.conf but I think it also needs nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 21:45.41 | Ace2016 | doesn't konqueror use an embedded kpdf to view pdf files? |
| 21:45.46 | AbsintheSyringe | benjamindees, kpdf? |
| 21:46.03 | freeone3000 | gkiagia: Okay, thanks. |
| 21:46.09 | benjamindees | konqueror embedded doesn't support the same kpart plugin format as konqueror |
| 21:46.15 | freeone3000 | gkiagia: (Swapping over from a binary installation which broke for some reason.) |
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| 21:46.52 | mike_xcracker | hi ;-) |
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| 21:49.18 | AbsintheSyringe | benjamindees, talking about kde, I tried using kde 4 live (opensuse), suse as suse .iso didnt work, do you know any other kde 4 live distro project? |
| 21:49.26 | gkiagia | .oO(konqueror embedded?? what's that? :S) |
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| 21:49.46 | puff | I remember figuring out how to use apt to download the packages but not actually install them, so I could kick off a large set of apt-gets and walk away, come back later to do the actual installs. |
| 21:50.05 | mike_xcracker | i have little problem... how i instal fbsplash? |
| 21:50.14 | gkiagia | AbsintheSyringe: I think mepis has a live cd too. |
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| 21:50.35 | AbsintheSyringe | gkiagia, with latest kde 4 on it? |
| 21:50.35 | puff | Ah, found the option in the apt-get man page, wasn't finding it in aptitude man page. |
| 21:50.35 | Ace2016 | Doesn't synaptic do the download packages only thing? |
| 21:50.53 | puff | --download-only. |
| 21:50.56 | benjamindees | gkiagia, it's a stripped down port of konqueror that runs on the console |
| 21:51.11 | mike_xcracker | i have little problem... how i instal fbsplash? |
| 21:51.13 | mike_xcracker | :-( |
| 21:51.21 | benjamindees | quite snappy on a 486 with 64 megs of ram :) |
| 21:51.30 | ponyofdeath | hi, getting wrong permissions on /dev/null and in udev everything is showing 666 can someone please help? |
| 21:51.51 | simonrvn | ponyofdeath: l /dev/null |
| 21:51.51 | freeone3000 | You don't need to execute /dev/null. |
| 21:51.53 | simonrvn | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-09-22 10:01 /dev/null |
| 21:52.02 | simonrvn | it's *supposed* to be 666 |
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| 21:52.09 | gkiagia | benjamindees: cool! AbsintheSyringe: I don't know. I am going to check it |
| 21:52.10 | freeone3000 | Nor any devices. Just read-write. So, it's meant to be that. |
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| 21:52.28 | Ace2016 | mike_xcracker: tried google? http://jeandamiendurand.free.fr/debian/splashutils/ |
| 21:52.29 | ponyofdeath | simonrvn: well for me its not crw-r----- 1 root adm 1, 3 2007-10-03 14:44 /dev/null |
| 21:52.33 | simonrvn | others have different perms, but yeh, don't need exec |
| 21:52.43 | simonrvn | ponyofdeath: so fix it ;) |
| 21:52.47 | tuv | i have to restart cups on my print server every once in a while for the published printer to show up in other computers on the network. any permanent solution? |
| 21:52.49 | AbsintheSyringe | gkiagia, please do, cuz as far as I see it, it's only dvd, and I dont feel like getting a live dvd to check out kde4 |
| 21:52.52 | mike_xcracker | Ace2016: in google: fbsplash gentoo .. :( |
| 21:52.53 | benjamindees | I actually have debs that I made somewhere for it; it requires qt-embedded as well |
| 21:52.54 | ponyofdeath | simonrvn: it gets set back every time i do |
| 21:52.58 | Ace2016 | Thats probably out dated but i guess you'd use a similar method |
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| 21:53.22 | simonrvn | ponyofdeath: then udev is screwing up. go see in /etc/udev/ what's going on |
| 21:53.23 | Ace2016 | well i searched for fbsplash debian |
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| 21:54.20 | Ace2016 | i remember getting fbsplash to work on my ubuntu custom kernel, i think i used one of the guides i found on google, i remember looking at that one |
| 21:54.48 | Ace2016 | is usplash available for debian then? |
| 21:54.57 | azeem | !info usplash |
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| 21:55.01 | dpkg | usplash: (Userspace bootsplash utility), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.5.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 21:55.17 | Ace2016 | oh cool |
| 21:55.27 | Ace2016 | well i'm off, night all |
| 21:55.33 | Ace2016 | or morning or noon or whatever |
| 21:55.43 | Ace2016 | and hi to everyone afk at the moment too |
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| 21:55.45 | Ace2016 | bye |
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| 21:55.53 | rmaj | lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 21:55.53 | rmaj | llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 21:55.57 | rmaj | this shows up when I enter key l |
| 21:56.00 | rmaj | what the hell |
| 21:56.00 | mike_xcracker | rmaj baj baj ;d |
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| 21:56.15 | rmaj | debian testing, laptop, i915 video; any keyboard |
| 21:56.45 | rmaj | other keys have same problem, although it usuall occuress to combo keys (liek alt+tab or whatever) it was first time it repeated ordinary alnum key so many times |
| 21:57.15 | rmaj | am I the only one having this issue? |
| 21:57.23 | Guerin | rmaj: yes |
| 21:57.31 | rmaj | wow I fell so speciall |
| 21:57.36 | Guerin | your laptop is faulty |
| 21:57.37 | rmaj | how to debug it more |
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| 21:57.46 | rmaj | Guerin: dont think so, it works on other distros afair |
| 21:57.46 | xlotlu | gonna set up 1 reiserfs, 2 ext3 and 1 xfs under lvm. might it be a smart idea to keep all the journals under another partition? |
| 21:57.50 | attentionwhore | shake your ass now |
| 21:57.56 | attentionwhore | everybody!!! |
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| 21:57.59 | attentionwhore | clap your hands!!! |
| 21:57.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@i577B1F9F.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
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| 21:58.03 | rmaj | </random moment> |
| 21:58.03 | Guerin | rmaj: it worked. Does it still? Boot knoppix or something and see. |
| 21:58.10 | Guerin | hardware degrades with time |
| 21:58.19 | rmaj | Guerin: hmm ok.. |
| 21:58.29 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: there are a few different thigns that could be causing it: 1) you have set the key repeat rate way too low 2) hardware failure 3) driver not debouncing properly |
| 21:58.50 | rmaj | I would guess 3) althoug I didnt observed the problem in VTerm |
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| 21:59.06 | Guerin | oh, it only happens in x? |
| 21:59.08 | rmaj | what plain VT applications use combos like ctrl+something |
| 21:59.09 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: if it's doing it in both the console and X, then it's either 2 or 3. If it's only in X, then it's 1. |
| 21:59.12 | rmaj | I dunno |
| 21:59.40 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: does it always happen? Or only randomly? |
| 21:59.46 | rmaj | totally randomly |
| 21:59.48 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: and how do you stop it from repeating? |
| 22:00.03 | rmaj | about 1 in 50 uses of combo, about 1 in 10.000 regular alphanum key strokes |
| 22:00.18 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: if it's not always happening, it's not the key repeat rates |
| 22:00.23 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: it stops itself about some amount of repeats |
| 22:00.23 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: have you recently upgraded your kernel? |
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| 22:00.42 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: it is broken like that since around 2.6.20 |
| 22:00.43 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: see if you can stop it sooner by hitting the key agian |
| 22:00.54 | rmaj | I think I had small problems back on .18 but not so strong |
| 22:01.12 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: nope, nothing stops it sooner |
| 22:01.29 | xbc | [bash scripting] hi, in a script i've got the following: "tail -f somefile | while read line; do ... if [ foo ]; then break; fi; done" but this won't bring me auf of tail... how to get out of tail here? |
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| 22:01.53 | gkiagia | AbsintheSyringe: well, I can't find it. They claim they have a live dvd but it is nowhere in their ftp mirrors.... (what a stupid distro...) |
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| 22:03.13 | AbsintheSyringe | gkiagia, ;) |
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| 22:04.50 | snot | I mounted a smb share, rebooted the windows box and now the mount point shows up as.. |
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| 22:05.01 | snot | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? winxp |
| 22:05.07 | snot | with a ls -l |
| 22:05.20 | snot | and takes about 40 secs to show |
| 22:05.33 | snot | furtheremore I cant rm it |
| 22:05.45 | snot | any ideas about how to remove or fix the folder in question? |
| 22:05.45 | freeone3000 | Can you umount it? |
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| 22:05.53 | snot | nope |
| 22:06.39 | snot | freeone3000: actually I could |
| 22:06.47 | snot | sorry for bothering you |
| 22:07.09 | snot | I tried once but had an error message, just retried as you asked and now it worked |
| 22:07.17 | snot | the error message was something about lstat |
| 22:07.18 | snot | but nm |
| 22:07.24 | snot | thanks for your time |
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| 22:08.18 | snot | another question |
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| 22:08.59 | snot | I have a few screens which I access by screen -r pid... can I name them? so I can access one with say irssi and another one with... say snot |
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| 22:09.25 | punter2 | should /home/username/.bash_profile be executed when I log on to my new debian installation? Because it doesn't |
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| 22:10.02 | tls_81 | good evening, any reason why afdter a certain time my usb hard drive would switch to read only? when I mount it it is rw then after a while it mount ro?? really strange... |
| 22:10.22 | dakoo | how do i list the contents of a deb package with apt-file or apt-get, is there a way? |
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| 22:10.53 | tls_81 | dakoo: dpkg -c |
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| 22:12.27 | dakoo | tls_81: thanx |
| 22:12.52 | unilynx | I'm trying to figure out why my 3D accel is running slower as a normal user than it is as root? |
| 22:13.01 | unilynx | Is this a permissions issue? |
| 22:13.02 | tls_81 | dakoo: all good... it's in the man page though... |
| 22:13.14 | freeone3000 | Root gets bumped priority, I believe. |
| 22:13.26 | unilynx | my 3d works, but the fps is slower as a normal user |
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| 22:13.57 | unilynx | can i adjust the device to work faster with normal users? |
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| 22:14.43 | freeone3000 | No, but you can close other tasks stealing cpu time away from it. |
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| 22:15.47 | unilynx | but that's not the issue. |
| 22:16.28 | unilynx | that doesn't make any sense either. why would it work fine as root, with the same tasts running, but not as a normal user? |
| 22:16.46 | freeone3000 | Because root gets higher priority? It seems to from what I've been doing. |
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| 22:16.57 | unilynx | theres nothing stealing cpu |
| 22:17.10 | simonrvn | i think so too, based on personal experience |
| 22:17.16 | tls_81 | anyone experience a external hardive switching to read only after a time lapse? |
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| 22:17.29 | simonrvn | tls_81: problem with the drive |
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| 22:18.11 | simonrvn | tls_81: run smartctl on it, see what's going on (if it's SMART capable) |
| 22:18.57 | tls_81 | simonrvn: will look into smartctl... it's a bit of a pain since i have to issue a umount -a and then a mount -a when ever it goes into read only mode... |
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| 22:19.46 | simonrvn | tls_81: might be just needing fscking too |
| 22:20.21 | dserban | question: when I log into remote boxes via ssh... only on man pages do I see character corruption.... ie... i get a quarter of the man page, then a questionmark inside a black diamond and then a chunk of the man page is missing then a bit at the end... what's wrong with my charset settings? I'm using gnome terminal.. with en_US locale.. |
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| 22:22.00 | tls_81 | have performed a fsck, it's puzzling me that's for sure... |
| 22:22.05 | dserban | I must ask difficult questions :s |
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| 22:25.10 | dakoo | tls_81: try -o nolock when you mount |
| 22:26.07 | dserban | or stupid ones? |
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| 22:28.01 | obx | is this normal, debian apache2 wiht mod_perl, but mod_perl has some secs before the script loadet, its only on a server with mod_perl |
| 22:28.11 | mick_work | hey - how can i diff 2 directories (recursively)? something like svn diff ..... but w/o svn :) |
| 22:28.15 | freeone3000 | It has to start a perl interperter. |
| 22:28.19 | mick_work | dirdiff seems to suck too much |
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| 22:29.31 | dondelelcaro | obx: depends on what the scripts are doing |
| 22:29.35 | obx | freeone3000: yes, but this have so mutch more time, on a gentoo server with mod_perl, loading the perl file faster. |
| 22:30.06 | obx | is only a hello world file |
| 22:30.36 | tls_81 | dakoo: will try it, cannot seem to find much info with regards to the nolock option... anywhere where I can read more about it? |
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| 22:30.56 | dondelelcaro | obx: are you talking about the startup time for the apache process, the response time for the first hit, or the response time for all hits? |
| 22:31.36 | dakoo | tls_81: man 8 mount |
| 22:31.59 | kb3llm | guys i screwed up my httpd.conf and apache2.conf files. How do i get the originals back? (no backups) |
| 22:32.10 | kb3llm | can someone post the originals in a pastebin or somehting |
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| 22:32.22 | obx | when i go to localhost/index.pl has match more time for loading on debain, on gentoo loadit faster much faster. |
| 22:32.47 | dondelelcaro | obx: and what is the configuration of localhost? |
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| 22:33.05 | dondelelcaro | (are you actually using mod_perl for it?) |
| 22:33.14 | tls_81 | dakko: seems to be when NFS is in use? |
| 22:33.24 | obx | sorry, my english is note so good :( |
| 22:33.47 | kb3llm | anyone? I need the default apache2.conf and httpd.conf files!! |
| 22:33.51 | dakoo | kb3llm: /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2/original# |
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| 22:34.18 | dserban | question: when I log into remote boxes via ssh... only on man pages do I see character corruption.... ie... i get a quarter of the man page, then a questionmark inside a black diamond and then a chunk of the man page is missing then a bit at the end... what's wrong with my charset settings? I'm using gnome terminal.. with en_US locale.. |
| 22:34.43 | dakoo | tls_81: i saw that, i've tried that with some sans i have, they seem to sleep or go ro, it stoped doing that when lockd was not loaded |
| 22:35.14 | dakoo | tls_81: try and see if it helps, it not, then sdparm would be next option |
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| 22:36.57 | |porta| | Which direction would be good to go next? I'm still new and want to learn more about debian. |
| 22:37.09 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 22:37.09 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 22:37.12 | abrotman | read all of those |
| 22:37.25 | |porta| | ty |
| 22:38.15 | tls_81 | dakoo thx for all ur help mate... am off to bed had a long day and a short night ahead of me.... lol once again, thx! |
| 22:38.39 | dakoo | tls_81: try badblocks also, i know your ran fsck |
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| 22:41.18 | derelm | i just updated libssl0.9.8 and openssl, now ssh logins and proftpd logins are painfully slow |
| 22:41.51 | derelm | any idea what causes this or how to solve the problem? |
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| 22:44.35 | Azar | new cool site! http://hardware4linux.info/modules/ |
| 22:44.47 | Azar | erm..hello honorables |
| 22:45.25 | obx | works fine now, th |
| 22:45.26 | obx | x |
| 22:46.04 | smacnay | Can one format a hard drive connected by a usb device? |
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| 22:46.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:46.22 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks |
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| 22:47.33 | emss | are there any other remote login programs besides telnet, and openssh? |
| 22:47.42 | abrotman | rlogin |
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| 22:49.06 | abrotman | rsh also |
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| 22:53.57 | Guerin | emss: lsh is a very good ssh implementation |
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| 22:57.22 | emss | Guerin: thanks |
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| 23:01.26 | harakeke | ive set up a network of machines running debian to teach myself a bit about networking... Can anyone recommend a good tool under Debian for monitoring the network? Web searches point to Nessus but that seems to be a closed source windows based app?? |
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| 23:01.53 | stray | what kind of monitoring do you have in mind? |
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| 23:03.42 | harakeke | Well its for my education... Id like to see stuff like how vunerable my email passwords are when I log in thru my isp. So I guess some kind of packet sniffing that allows me to learn what kind of info is sent over the network |
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| 23:05.55 | harakeke | stray: Id like to become aware of the kinds of capabilities the "bad guys" have so I can avoid getting stung myself. Ill be playing around in the safety of my newly setup network which is not connected to the internet. |
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| 23:07.47 | stray | harakeke: check out freshmeat.net and search around. while you're at it have a look at snort and dsniff. network security isn't trivial. it includes your box security. be prepared to do a lot of reading if you're serious and not just an aspiring scipt kiddie.. |
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| 23:09.18 | _stokes | is there an update alternatives for switching to python2.5? |
| 23:09.22 | _stokes | or do i just change the symlinks |
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| 23:11.43 | kubitz | <stray> I always thought Ethereal was the most widely used sniffer. I'm not really up on all this though. It's just the only multiplatform name I've heard of - and that as abrand new linux user so it must be famous :) |
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| 23:12.47 | stray | kubitz: yeah, that one too ;) |
| 23:12.59 | EznorbYar | hi channel |
| 23:13.06 | dto | hello everyone. i am trying to install debian etch from a netinst cdrom. i have 3 IDE hard drives and i want to boot from the third (the first two are for a software RAID setup) |
| 23:13.22 | abrotman | _stokes: you really shouldn't |
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| 23:13.33 | dto | but no matter how i do it, i get "partition table corrupt or invalid" after choosing an OS in GRUB |
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| 23:14.33 | Jckf | My Debian Etch replies on eth1 on requests to eth2's IP. If those are two different networks, the request might be for another computer. How do I "fix" this? (eth2 is not being used at the moment) |
| 23:14.39 | stray | dto: it might be easier move cables around and boot from the first ide drive.. |
| 23:14.47 | _stokes | abrotman, yea i was just hoping there was some easy way to migrate to python2.5 |
| 23:14.54 | abrotman | _stokes: wait |
| 23:14.55 | _stokes | like using alternatives or similiar |
| 23:15.15 | dto | stray: no. this is a very densely/tightly packed rackmount server chassis. i don't like taking it apart |
| 23:15.34 | dto | stray: http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html has some pictures |
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| 23:16.23 | _stokes | Jckf, you got ip forwarding on? |
| 23:16.40 | Jckf | _stokes: If it defaults to on, then yes. Else, no |
| 23:17.05 | _stokes | Jckf, think it defaults to 0 |
| 23:17.08 | obx | someone know ho i can install madwifi on debian? |
| 23:17.38 | Jckf | _stokes: How would I go about checking? |
| 23:18.07 | _stokes | Jckf, sysctl -a|grep forwarding |
| 23:18.16 | _stokes | look for ipv4.conf.eth#.forwarding |
| 23:18.18 | dto | can anyone help me figure out what the issue is? |
| 23:18.30 | dto | maybe i really should rewire it |
| 23:18.35 | dto | i'll be back in a bit |
| 23:18.37 | dto | will try that first |
| 23:18.54 | Jckf | _stokes: They're all zeroes |
| 23:18.54 | _stokes | Jckf, ok |
| 23:19.13 | _stokes | also i dont think you can really determine what interface responds to what requests |
| 23:19.18 | _stokes | if both interfaces are hooked up |
| 23:19.31 | _stokes | at least not through the kernel routes |
| 23:19.40 | Jckf | _stokes: They're not. But dhclient has assigned an IP for eth2 because it WAS plugged in once |
| 23:20.49 | _stokes | so after a network restart eth1 still reponds to pings from clients accessing eth2 ip? |
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| 23:20.50 | tempboy | hi all |
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| 23:21.06 | tempboy | i have successfully connected my SIM modem to my box and i have ip address and dns entries |
| 23:21.13 | tempboy | however i cannot ping any domain names |
| 23:21.24 | tempboy | route -n shows no default routes for the ip |
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| 23:21.33 | tempboy | what is going on? |
| 23:21.41 | tempboy | this is a gprs ppp connection |
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| 23:24.21 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, got umts working? |
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| 23:25.23 | tempboy | SmallR2002 what is umts? |
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| 23:25.43 | SmallR2002 | 3G? the next one up from gprs basically |
| 23:26.23 | SmallR2002 | oh, and to fix your problem, my method is wait ten seconds and reconnect |
| 23:26.26 | tempboy | don't know cingular/at&t just gave me SIM card and i put that in an enfora modem |
| 23:26.36 | stouset | +\ in the console? |
| 23:26.39 | stouset | Gah. |
| 23:26.44 | stouset | Anyone know a reasonable reason why up, left, down, right, pgup, pgdown, home, and end would send Ctrl+\ in the console? |
| 23:27.02 | stouset | Lacking that, any unreasonable reasons? |
| 23:27.08 | tempboy | SmallR2002 i also see could not determine remote ip address so setting default. 10.64.64.64 |
| 23:27.26 | tempboy | the local ip is 166.x.x.x |
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| 23:27.34 | nvz | stouset: try typing reset *shrug* |
| 23:27.54 | stouset | nvz Happens on clean reboots and resets. |
| 23:27.57 | tempboy | 166.217.107.88 |
| 23:28.18 | stouset | I apparently suck at IRC this evening. |
| 23:28.26 | nvz | stouset: uh huh. |
| 23:28.32 | abrotman | tempboy: sholdn't you call your ISP ? |
| 23:28.36 | SmallR2002 | stouset, a) keyboard layout b) non-standard keyboard which is designed to cause issues for those who aren't using *their* drivers c) if it's not a system wide issue, tell at it |
| 23:28.41 | nvz | "reset" has nothing to do with your computer, it resets the terminal settings |
| 23:28.44 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, as i said, i have the same issue |
| 23:28.56 | SmallR2002 | restart the connection after a few seconds |
| 23:28.58 | stouset | SmallR2002: b might be close. It's a PC keyboard on a Mac Pro. |
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| 23:29.14 | stouset | SmallR2002: Any suggestion on where I can look to fix it? |
| 23:29.18 | arcil | does anybody know the syntax of the ~/.aptitude/config file? |
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| 23:29.31 | SmallR2002 | stouset, ouayeech, uhm, all i can suggest is playing with evdev |
| 23:29.36 | Guerin | arcil: man aptitude does |
| 23:29.49 | nvz | why would aptitude have local configs |
| 23:29.56 | Guerin | nvz: why wouldn't it? |
| 23:30.02 | arcil | Guerin: ty |
| 23:30.05 | nvz | its pretty useless unless you're root as I gather |
| 23:30.06 | stouset | SmallR2002: Thanks. |
| 23:30.17 | stouset | nvz: You can su to root from within it. |
| 23:30.19 | tempboy | SmallR2002 what command do you use to restart connection? |
| 23:30.19 | SmallR2002 | stouset, but that's for x, console, not sure |
| 23:30.22 | stouset | And it's not _totally_ useless. |
| 23:30.26 | Guerin | nvz: not at all. |
| 23:30.27 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, stop it and start it again :p |
| 23:30.31 | nvz | ah I forgot about that |
| 23:30.32 | Guerin | you can download packages with it |
| 23:30.36 | Guerin | you just can't install them |
| 23:30.40 | tempboy | SmallR2002 do you use easyconnect gprs or just manually with /etc/ppp/peers/ ? |
| 23:30.50 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, wvdial |
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| 23:32.41 | SmallR2002 | also, i'm over here in the uk, some settings will/might be better |
| 23:33.20 | tempboy | SmallR2002 ok. after i kill process and restart it. it always says failed to connect, no carrier and after a while it retries and connects |
| 23:33.23 | tempboy | is this normal? |
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| 23:33.43 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 23:34.11 | SmallR2002 | this is getting into the realms of stuff which may be carrier/country specific |
| 23:34.13 | tempboy | same thing. route -n does not show gateway for ppp0 |
| 23:34.27 | tempboy | wouldl you mind posting your wvdial conf? |
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| 23:34.54 | SmallR2002 | if i can find it >.< |
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| 23:35.06 | SmallR2002 | oh, actually, it was this machine i did it on, don't worry :p |
| 23:35.12 | tempboy | ok |
| 23:35.44 | SmallR2002 | you'll have to read the useful bits and not where i've been trying to hack some of it :p |
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| 23:35.53 | tempboy | i'm goig to go ahead and enable eth0 so i can chat from the box with gprs device attached |
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| 23:36.15 | SmallR2002 | http://rafb.net/p/Eq4XPt79.html |
| 23:36.30 | SmallR2002 | modem 0 and gprs |
| 23:36.43 | SmallR2002 | the other bits are *unstable* or *hacked* |
| 23:37.20 | tempboy | ok |
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| 23:41.32 | Flimzy | I cannot get iptables -j LOG to actually log anything. I suspect this is related to the fact that I don't have a physical hard disk, and root is running on a ramdisk, and this somehow confuses something about the way the kernel logs things... heh... Does anyone have any wild suggestion for how I could get kernel logs to actually be logged? |
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| 23:42.26 | node_6 | hi all |
| 23:43.28 | node_6 | my first debian install and I'm having trouble with the kernel source. the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18.5-amd64/Makefile doesn't seem to like the tree that aptitude built ... it complains about missing files such as /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18.5-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile (which does not exist) |
| 23:44.18 | Flimzy | node_6: Why in the world are you messing with the kernel source for your first debian install? |
| 23:44.52 | node_6 | it's not my first linux. if I could figure out the debian way, I'd be fine |
| 23:45.04 | Flimzy | Very well. |
| 23:45.06 | node_6 | I've been using LFS for > 2 years |
| 23:45.08 | Flimzy | I shall rephrase my question. |
| 23:45.18 | Flimzy | Why in the world are you messing with the kernel source? |
| 23:45.45 | node_6 | three reasons: 1) to build the madwifi trunk 2) to build ati fglrx driver 3) cause I like having a custom kernel |
| 23:46.01 | tempboy | SmallR2002 created file on my box and made changes. how do i connect using wvdial? |
| 23:46.06 | Flimzy | I think you can use the included madwifi module |
| 23:46.08 | tempboy | wvdial <section name> ? |
| 23:46.19 | Flimzy | node_6: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 23:46.31 | SmallR2002 | yup |
| 23:46.33 | Flimzy | or s/apt-get/aptitude/ if you prefer |
| 23:46.37 | SmallR2002 | wvdial gprs |
| 23:46.39 | SmallR2002 | for example |
| 23:46.40 | node_6 | Flimzy: already got it |
| 23:46.53 | tempboy | let me paste what it gives me |
| 23:46.53 | Flimzy | node_6: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 |
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| 23:47.12 | Flimzy | node_6: aptitude install madwifi-source (or whatever) and the other module packages you'll need |
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| 23:47.41 | Flimzy | node_6: cd /usr/src; tar -xzf *.tar.gz; cd linux-source-2.6.18; make menuconfig; make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image modules-image |
| 23:47.48 | node_6 | Flimzy: madwifi has to be svn head. the ar5418 card hasn't been included in a release yet |
| 23:48.08 | node_6 | just fyi :) |
| 23:48.12 | Flimzy | node_6: I suggest installing the Debian madwifi src package, then patching it to the latest svn build then |
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| 23:48.48 | node_6 | Flimzy: is there a debian way to patch in this manner? |
| 23:49.36 | Flimzy | node_6: 1) install the debian source. 2) download the upstream tarball for the same version as debian. 3) download the upstream tarball you need. 4) untar the 2 tarballs, build a diff, and apply that diff to the /usr/src/modules/madwifi and cross your fingers :) |
| 23:49.51 | node_6 | hmpfh |
| 23:50.01 | Flimzy | (it will *probably* patch cleanly) |
| 23:50.02 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:51.07 | node_6 | Flimzy: why not 1) install deb src 2) rm -rf /usr/src/modules/madwifi/{,.}* 3) svn co svn://blah/madwifi/trunk /usr/src/modules/madwifi ? does debian have it's own patchset already in use for madwifi? |
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| 23:51.20 | nn-away | hi all |
| 23:51.22 | Flimzy | node_6: Does the SVN branch add support for a new chipset, or just add a device ID or something? |
| 23:51.26 | tempboy | SmallR2002 what does stupid mode do? |
| 23:51.31 | node_6 | Flimzy: support |
| 23:51.46 | Flimzy | node_6: Yes, the debian module sources contain their on magic in them. |
| 23:51.47 | node_6 | Flimzy: it's a wireless-N card |
| 23:51.48 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, can't remember, but it prevents it from breaking on my machine |
| 23:51.55 | node_6 | hmmm |
| 23:51.58 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, i think it makes it continue on some errors which are expected |
| 23:52.21 | Flimzy | node_6: What's the difference between unstable's madwifi version # and the svn version #? |
| 23:52.51 | tempboy | SmallR2002 i was doing wvdial Modem2 :) |
| 23:53.06 | tempboy | wvdial gprs works. |
| 23:53.09 | node_6 | honestly, I haven't looked at debian's unstable yet. I'm just assuming that support isn't in there because of the relatively recent commits that have been happening wrt my card |
| 23:53.15 | tempboy | i'm about to see what netstat -a gives me now |
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| 23:53.28 | tempboy | i also have eth0 up that gets ip from LAN |
| 23:53.42 | Flimzy | node_6: You're probably right. However, patching svn against unstable will be more likely to succed than patching svn against etch |
| 23:53.48 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, yay :) |
| 23:54.02 | node_6 | Flimzy: yeah, I can see that. unless the patches conflict, of course |
| 23:54.23 | Flimzy | node_6: Possible, but unlikely. module source packages are pretty simple. |
| 23:54.43 | tempboy | SmallR2002 no dice. i still cant resolve dns names |
| 23:54.52 | tempboy | and access internet when gprs device is up |
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| 23:55.03 | tempboy | is local ip address actually WAN ip address? |
| 23:55.09 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, close the connection and start it again, that's what i had to do |
| 23:55.16 | SmallR2002 | gprs is funny |
| 23:55.18 | node_6 | Flimzy: same deal with kernel sources? bad idea to use kernel.org tarballs w/o debian patches? |
| 23:55.18 | tempboy | i did that and no dice |
| 23:55.27 | SmallR2002 | there is *no* external ip |
| 23:55.32 | SmallR2002 | afaik |
| 23:55.51 | SmallR2002 | it's like going through a router at work |
| 23:55.57 | SmallR2002 | you use that router's ip |
| 23:56.05 | nn-away | Hi, what do i have to compile into my kernel to make my kernal detect and use a ps2 mouse every-time its pluged-in |
| 23:56.06 | Flimzy | node_6: I've done it... it works. I usually only do it when I specifically need a kernel feature that doesn't exist in an Debian kernel yet, to |
| 23:56.08 | tempboy | hrmm... well i still can't browse the web |
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| 23:56.25 | SmallR2002 | tempboy, well this is better than it was, right? |
| 23:56.33 | SmallR2002 | no errors when it connects? |
| 23:56.48 | tempboy | nope. none. i can give you root passwd if you like |
| 23:56.56 | tempboy | i'm booted off of knoppix cd so its okay :) |
| 23:57.05 | abrotman | so you're not even using debian? |
| 23:57.21 | abrotman | nn-away: echo "psmouse" >> /etc/modules |
| 23:57.26 | tempboy | on my actual box i am. |
| 23:57.40 | tempboy | didn't want to mess up my debian install so i popped knoppix in |
| 23:57.45 | tempboy | if it works then i'll mess with deb |
| 23:57.47 | JosefAssad | dammit, too many rss feeds in liferea |
| 23:58.02 | nn-away | abrotman, i Feel like an idiot sorry i was thinking gentoo rong channel |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:59.26 | tempboy | SmallR2002 see priv msg |
