| 00:00.06 | wols_ | dto: you are mistaken |
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| 00:00.22 | christian2 | hello |
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| 00:00.45 | christian2 | is there anybody who could talk with me |
| 00:00.46 | christian2 | ?? |
| 00:00.52 | christian2 | about debian |
| 00:00.54 | christian2 | of course |
| 00:00.59 | rocketmagnet | what's the point ? |
| 00:01.19 | christian2 | what do i have to do |
| 00:01.30 | christian2 | when i'm trying to access |
| 00:01.40 | christian2 | to my other partition |
| 00:01.47 | christian2 | with ntfs |
| 00:01.48 | wols_ | !tell christian2 about enter |
| 00:02.06 | christian2 | and it could not be seen |
| 00:02.10 | christian2 | by me |
| 00:02.12 | christian2 | i mean |
| 00:02.15 | wols_ | !enter |
| 00:02.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 00:02.19 | christian2 | i mount ir |
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| 00:02.34 | wols_ | christian2: stop that excessive enteritis |
| 00:02.51 | christian2 | ok one word |
| 00:02.55 | christian2 | one line |
| 00:03.06 | christian2 | is that what u want to say me |
| 00:03.07 | christian2 | ? |
| 00:03.13 | rocketmagnet | christian2: there is a module for ntfs write support also |
| 00:03.25 | wols_ | christian2: don't press enter after every word you moron |
| 00:03.46 | dondelelcaro | wols_: no need to call people names |
| 00:04.10 | wols_ | ok, next time I let dpkg do it |
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| 00:04.12 | christian2 | i have a problem to access to ntfs i have to write "gksu nautilus" |
| 00:04.27 | nathan | sounds like you solved the problem |
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| 00:04.46 | pipeline | christian2: mount with options umask=000 |
| 00:04.57 | christian2 | all right |
| 00:05.01 | christian2 | i'll try |
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| 00:05.13 | christian2 | i'll be here in a moment |
| 00:05.14 | nathan | that will(should) give 777 permissions |
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| 00:05.41 | nathan | ish |
| 00:05.43 | rocketmagnet | so read write and execute for everyone =) |
| 00:05.51 | nathan | and free beer!! |
| 00:06.13 | nathan | we can all sit around reading books, executing witches, writing poetry and drinking! |
| 00:06.27 | rocketmagnet | beer me |
| 00:06.31 | rocketmagnet | =( |
| 00:06.37 | rocketmagnet | !slap me |
| 00:06.43 | rocketmagnet | =) |
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| 00:07.10 | nathan | 787 permissions = the owner's group can actually BECOME the file |
| 00:07.31 | rocketmagnet | how can a group be a file =) ? |
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| 00:07.35 | nico__ | re |
| 00:07.45 | karsten | rocketmagnet: How can a process be a file? |
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| 00:08.10 | wols_ | easy. rule #1:everything's a file. |
| 00:08.18 | nico__ | is it possible to make iceweasel stop asking if it should restart the previous session each time it is started? |
| 00:08.21 | nodesktop | how can I prevent certain packages from being updated by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:08.36 | wols_ | !tell nodesktop about hold |
| 00:08.48 | nathan | nico__: yeah close it instead of terminating it as a side effect of leaving the desktop |
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| 00:09.08 | nico__ | nathan, seems to do it also when i close it :-/ |
| 00:09.10 | nodesktop | wols_: ok, I thought I did that when selecting a package in aptitude and pressing "=", but maybe that wasn't it |
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| 00:09.36 | abrotman | nodesktop: you can't |
| 00:09.39 | petemc | wols_: wheres my ethernet device file? |
| 00:09.49 | nico__ | nathan, besides, can't it be told not to bother, no matter if it got closed or killed? |
| 00:10.09 | kspath | petemc: check with lsof |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | petemc: /dev/null |
| 00:10.13 | nodesktop | abrotman: so I end up that I can't use apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:10.37 | petemc | kspath: what should i be looking for? |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | nodesktop: what are you trying to hold and why ? |
| 00:10.52 | kspath | petemc: infitity |
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| 00:10.59 | kspath | petemc: infinity |
| 00:11.04 | nodesktop | abrotman: trying to hold xserver-xorg* because of some bugs in the new versions |
| 00:11.09 | petemc | 2 infinities? |
| 00:11.15 | petemc | aleph one? |
| 00:11.34 | nathan | nico__: don't know, I don't see anything obvious |
| 00:11.37 | abrotman | nodesktop: so just you upgrade until you think those bugs are resvoled .. and explicitly install things you want that are held |
| 00:11.55 | nodesktop | oh-hey, unlike holding with aptitude, using "dpkg --set-selections" worked... thanks wols_ |
| 00:11.55 | nathan | god I wish I could install debian here, I'm tired of kubuntu |
| 00:12.08 | wols_ | petemc: if you can't find, it file a bug. your kernel is obviously broken |
| 00:12.09 | abrotman | so do it already |
| 00:12.11 | wols_ | ;) |
| 00:12.18 | nathan | debian doesn't see my cdroms |
| 00:12.22 | petemc | wols_: can you steer me in the right direction? |
| 00:12.28 | abrotman | !tell nathan about kmuto |
| 00:12.30 | wols_ | !tell nathan about kmuto |
| 00:12.37 | abrotman | !beer wols_ |
| 00:12.42 | wols_ | petemc: sure. bugs@kernel.org |
| 00:12.43 | nathan | !don't think there's any working bots in here |
| 00:12.52 | abrotman | yes there are |
| 00:13.00 | wols_ | nathan: your thought processes are lacking |
| 00:13.02 | nathan | well none of them are telling me anything |
| 00:13.10 | abrotman | nathan: you don't have a window open from dpkg ? |
| 00:13.30 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 00:13.30 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 00:13.53 | nico__ | nathan, do you know if it is an iceweasel thing or if firefox does the same? |
| 00:14.02 | nathan | I am on kubuntu so I have firefox |
| 00:14.14 | nathan | don't see anything about disabling it here |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | nathan: look up a few lines |
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| 00:15.01 | nathan | ? |
| 00:15.06 | nathan | yeah I saw it thanks |
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| 00:16.00 | chowmeined | are there other tools besides update-rc.d for managing init scripts? |
| 00:16.05 | nathan | why doesn't debian have those on their sites? I'm sure a sata drive shouldn't be too advanced for the default installer |
| 00:16.19 | abrotman | nathan: because they're not official .. |
| 00:16.28 | abrotman | you're on your own for kernel security issues etc |
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| 00:16.34 | abrotman | chowmeined: rcconf |
| 00:16.38 | chowmeined | thanks |
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| 00:16.39 | nico__ | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#head-b5e4b425668a24b46ead13b652f997f38318678b <-- any idea what file should these lines be added to under /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 00:16.51 | christian2 | hi |
| 00:16.56 | christian2 | i'm me again |
| 00:17.11 | nathan | abrotman: what version comes with 4.0 normally? and what version are these do you know? |
| 00:17.16 | abrotman | 2.6.18 |
| 00:17.25 | abrotman | and kmuto should say on his site what kernel it is |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | i think he's up to a .22 |
| 00:17.34 | nathan | oh yeah here it is |
| 00:17.37 | christian2 | i cannot access to /media/hdd1 through normal user |
| 00:17.42 | nathan | 21 still |
| 00:17.45 | nathan | but alright thanks |
| 00:17.47 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 00:18.30 | christian2 | if there is somebody which can helps me |
| 00:18.32 | christian2 | please |
| 00:18.49 | christian2 | i ask u for a help |
| 00:18.52 | jonah1980 | hey guys is there anyone that can please help me out. i can't get vmware to install and also my wireless driver won't "make" it's driving me mad, i've been stuck for days and just asking out of desperation that someone might be able to help me out please |
| 00:18.54 | chowmeined | christian2: do you have permission? |
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| 00:19.03 | abrotman | jonah1980: ask #vmware .. and ask #elive |
| 00:19.06 | christian2 | nope |
| 00:19.14 | chowmeined | christian2: set the permissions |
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| 00:19.34 | chowmeined | christian2: chown it to whatever user needs it, or chgrp to whichever group needs it |
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| 00:19.55 | christian2 | i've just changed the fstab |
| 00:20.03 | nathan | what's #elive |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | a channel |
| 00:20.28 | nathan | mhmm about what |
| 00:20.33 | Yarou | elive |
| 00:20.37 | chowmeined | !tell nathan about elive |
| 00:20.40 | nathan | oh damn ok thanks |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | /list #elive ? |
| 00:21.05 | abrotman | nice useless topic |
| 00:21.08 | nathan | I don't understand why you told him to check vmware and elive |
| 00:21.19 | abrotman | because i know he's using elive .. and vmware isn't in debian |
| 00:21.37 | nathan | what about cedega |
| 00:21.47 | nathan | can you use that in debian |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | it's not even the same kind of application |
| 00:21.56 | dutchfish | how can i grow a QCOW? |
| 00:22.05 | nathan | that's true but it often shares purposes |
| 00:22.11 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 00:22.15 | nathan | does too |
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| 00:22.19 | abrotman | whatever .. go install debian |
| 00:22.50 | nathan | !tell abrotman about using vmware for windows apps or wine for windows apps or cedega for windows apps |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | idiot |
| 00:23.00 | nathan | and virtualbox |
| 00:23.21 | dutchfish | qemu? |
| 00:23.32 | dutchfish | xen? |
| 00:23.46 | nathan | !! |
| 00:23.46 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 00:24.00 | chowmeined | dutchfish: kind of a pain |
| 00:24.30 | jonah1980 | http://pastebin.ca/727428 |
| 00:24.42 | chowmeined | dutchfish: you could use qemu-convert to change it to raw.. then dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 >> raw_img.img then qemu-img convert it back to qcow |
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| 00:25.13 | dutchfish | chowmeined, ok, thats clear, thx |
| 00:25.29 | chowmeined | dutchfish: make sure its >> to append |
| 00:25.31 | nathan | jonah1980: did you go to and follow the instructions on the websites it gives you? |
| 00:25.47 | nathan | dude kbfx is cool |
| 00:25.47 | jonah1980 | nathan, yeah i did |
| 00:25.47 | dutchfish | chowmeined, ;) and i have a backup |
| 00:25.50 | chowmeined | dutchfish: well you could seek to make it go faster |
| 00:26.07 | jonah1980 | nathan, i think my symlinks are all messed up or something |
| 00:26.19 | chowmeined | dutchfish: something like dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M seek=1000 count=1 |
| 00:26.22 | nathan | did it work before and now it doesn't or is this the first time trying |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | jonah1980: ask #vmware or #elive .. your question has nothing to do with debian |
| 00:26.48 | dutchfish | chowmeined, i ask this because i tried win2k on qemu with kqemu, but it says out if diskspace after hardware detection, also it was granted 5G |
| 00:27.15 | jonah1980 | just no one else has been able to help me, been asking in other channels for 3 days |
| 00:27.16 | dutchfish | chowmeined, win2k should reoughly need only 850 mb |
| 00:27.18 | chowmeined | dutchfish: hmm, shouldnt be doing that |
| 00:27.19 | abrotman | dutchfish: there's an optoin --win2k-hack or something i think |
| 00:27.36 | dutchfish | abrotman, yup tried that, zilch |
| 00:27.39 | nathan | why do you use all these hard programs =] virtualbox was so easy and it just worked immediately lol |
| 00:27.54 | chowmeined | because virtualbox uses qt |
| 00:27.59 | chowmeined | and some people dont like qt |
| 00:27.59 | dutchfish | nathan, because qemu can work with kvm |
| 00:28.03 | kspath | bochs |
| 00:28.14 | nathan | dutchfish: what do you mean 'work' with a kvm |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | i thought bochs was dead ? |
| 00:28.27 | chowmeined | isnt qemu much faster than bochs anyways? |
| 00:28.38 | nathan | what does a kvm have to do with virtual os |
| 00:28.47 | dutchfish | nathan, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/545 |
| 00:28.48 | chowmeined | not a kvm.. kvm |
| 00:29.15 | chowmeined | some new virtualization widget |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | !kvm |
| 00:29.31 | dpkg | kvm is probably kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. |
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| 00:29.44 | chowmeined | the third one |
| 00:29.53 | nathan | how is that different than a virtual one |
| 00:30.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, restarting it after expanding the qcow image (> raw > grow > qcow0) did the trick, thx |
| 00:30.11 | kspath | nathan: did you read ANY of it? |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | dutchfish: sounds painful :) |
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| 00:30.47 | nathan | it says it lets you test new distros without having to reboot or use a livecd |
| 00:30.56 | nathan | or change partition schemees |
| 00:30.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, gone try it on lvm2 later, its anyway better in performance |
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| 00:31.10 | chowmeined | thats their sound byte so mortals get it |
| 00:31.27 | nathan | then there's about a million steps and then it's over |
| 00:31.47 | chowmeined | its virtualization |
| 00:32.06 | nathan | I get that |
| 00:32.14 | dutchfish | virtualization is just a stepping stone |
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| 00:33.30 | kspath | dutchfish: to equivalent of mach kernel? |
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| 00:34.01 | dutchfish | distributed virtualized clusters will be next |
| 00:34.12 | nathan | so using kvm means you run the distro on top of yours? |
| 00:34.24 | dutchfish | nope |
| 00:34.37 | dutchfish | kvm is just a kind of hypervisor |
| 00:34.58 | dutchfish | like a xen kernel |
| 00:35.08 | kspath | dutchfish: did you consider defining/explaining your use of "distributed virtualized clusters" ? |
| 00:35.16 | osmosis | is there a backport for the kernel, to get a newer kernel version ? |
| 00:35.25 | dutchfish | if you think of it, it speaks for itself |
| 00:35.37 | cafuego | You can just build your own |
| 00:35.37 | nathan | you guys are way over my head |
| 00:35.37 | jelly-home | dutchfish: []distributed virtualized clusters like amazon's e2c? |
| 00:35.54 | dutchfish | jelly-home, soemthing like that yes |
| 00:36.33 | chowmeined | well theres some problems |
| 00:36.43 | chowmeined | with commodity hardware and that |
| 00:37.01 | dutchfish | nothing comes easy ;) |
| 00:37.46 | dutchfish | osmosis, backports.org ? |
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| 00:38.07 | nathan | when you said vmware wasn't on debian, what did you mean? |
| 00:38.24 | cafuego | There is no packaged deb for it. |
| 00:38.25 | sugar | so, if i download a package built for arm, i can extract it on my x86 machine to a drive, right? |
| 00:38.36 | nathan | interesting |
| 00:38.52 | dondelelcaro | sugar: yes |
| 00:38.57 | sugar | cool |
| 00:38.59 | cafuego | nathan: Of course, the vmware server tarball builds and runs fine on Debian. |
| 00:39.05 | nathan | oh that's right because debian is only officially for the free free stuff =] |
| 00:39.17 | jelly-home | chowmeined: hmph. use a virtualizing solution that can migrate off failing hardware, and employ people to replace/fix bad boxes |
| 00:39.20 | dutchfish | virtualization only will survive if it open source |
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| 00:39.40 | chowmeined | not if the hardware companies have anything to say about it |
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| 00:39.59 | cafuego | Unlike say the past 20 years, where it has remained happily proprietary? |
| 00:40.01 | Xitium | Hello, I'm trying to install vmware and it says I need header files how do I know which ones I need? |
| 00:40.02 | jelly-home | hardware companies won't care if their hardware is sleeing |
| 00:40.06 | jelly-home | selling, even |
| 00:40.10 | nathan | like virtualboxlike virtualbox |
| 00:40.13 | nathan | lol |
| 00:40.22 | cafuego | virtualbox is WAY new |
| 00:40.25 | chowmeined | no, they are going to do hardware virtualization |
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| 00:40.32 | chowmeined | completely in hardware |
| 00:40.36 | nathan | it's awesome and there's debian packages too lol |
| 00:40.41 | chowmeined | i mean some already do, but its just going to get more common |
| 00:40.48 | jelly-home | nathan: it's also quite unstable |
| 00:40.50 | fas3r | someone use freeradius + mysql ? |
| 00:41.06 | dutchfish | jelly, yup |
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| 00:41.23 | nathan | took me install times + 5 minutes to set up vista, xp and dos on ubuntu with virtualbox |
| 00:41.37 | nhuisman | wtf do you need dos |
| 00:41.37 | nathan | windows had working sound and network and usb and everything |
| 00:41.44 | jelly-home | nathan: and the packages are their own, and nonfree. sources are free so someone could package and put it in debian |
| 00:41.59 | nathan | I don't NEED any of them, I was experimenting |
| 00:42.08 | nathan_huisman | hi nathan ;) |
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| 00:42.35 | dutchfish | so far xen meets the equation of stability/performance and kvm will probably in the near future |
| 00:42.40 | nathan | http://www.ogasawalrus.com/blog/node/101 |
| 00:42.56 | nathan | http://townx.org/blog/elliot/virtualbox-open-source-virtualisation |
| 00:42.56 | husimon | xen is sort of annoying if you don't have a VT enabled cpu |
| 00:43.04 | husimon | i'm finding that out now |
| 00:43.08 | dutchfish | husimon, i cant agree |
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| 00:43.27 | husimon | dutchfish: is it possible to install a windows vm without it? |
| 00:43.28 | Xitium | Hello, I'm trying to install vmware and it says I need header files how do I know which ones I need? |
| 00:43.28 | jelly-home | nathan: true, vbox can do usb2 inside the guest, no other free ($0) product can do that yet |
| 00:43.31 | chowmeined | i dont mind, i like running linux |
| 00:43.44 | chowmeined | just dont run windows and everything works great |
| 00:43.46 | dutchfish | husimon, its possible but not allowed ;) |
| 00:43.55 | husimon | dutchfish: for the enterprise version I can't install off another type of media other then a template unless I have a VT cpu |
| 00:44.05 | husimon | dutchfish: how do you get around it |
| 00:44.08 | nathan | I haven't found a reason to go back to windows yet |
| 00:44.16 | jelly-home | Xitium: the package would be called linux-header-`uname -r` |
| 00:44.29 | jelly-home | Xitium: sorry, linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:44.34 | nathan | I had to use a dual boot for a while to play wc3 but then I figured out how to get it going on *x then I was fine |
| 00:44.34 | husimon | nathan: There are some system management things that some network devices I have that will only run under windows |
| 00:44.47 | dutchfish | husimon, you need to alter win for that, so with hardware VT is the onlu one allowed |
| 00:44.51 | nathan | such as? |
| 00:44.55 | D4N` | sup |
| 00:45.00 | Xitium | thanks jelly, btw what does the `uname -r` do? |
| 00:45.05 | nathan | you mean hardware right |
| 00:45.06 | jelly-home | Xitium: try it. |
| 00:45.13 | husimon | nathan: Such as the management software for my environmental montioring box, my kvm, etc |
| 00:45.17 | nathan | Xitium: it destroys your computer |
| 00:45.30 | husimon | i'm talking about software for my job, not my personal workstations |
| 00:45.41 | nathan | husimon: I thought you meant hardware devices heh |
| 00:45.44 | husimon | ah no |
| 00:45.49 | epsilon | is 2.6.18-4 kernel in etch still maintained? |
| 00:45.58 | husimon | yeah I don't use windows anymore, I use os x or ubuntu for my workstation |
| 00:46.02 | wols_ | 2.6.18-5 now. yes it's maintained |
| 00:46.07 | jelly-home | Xitium: `command` expands to the output of the command in ``. try the "uname -r" command by itself |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | epsilon: no |
| 00:46.27 | epsilon | I have one server using 2.6.18-4, should I upgrade to -5? |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:46.50 | epsilon | ok |
| 00:46.56 | abrotman | there's a DSA about it |
| 00:47.17 | husimon | does debian have the areca driver included in it's kernels? |
| 00:47.24 | abrotman | hi damog |
| 00:47.27 | damog | husimon: yes! |
| 00:47.33 | cafuego | !find areca.ko etch |
| 00:47.36 | husimon | damog: i see |
| 00:47.40 | Xitium | that is very helpful! :) thanks |
| 00:47.42 | husimon | fucking redjew doesn't |
| 00:47.48 | damog | redjew? |
| 00:47.54 | husimon | and everytime I update the fucking kernel it croaks on next boot |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | husimon: don't use slurs in here |
| 00:48.01 | husimon | redhat... |
| 00:48.06 | damog | oh. |
| 00:48.08 | jelly-home | slurs are so gay. |
| 00:48.11 | husimon | hehe |
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| 00:48.20 | cafuego | gays are so jewish |
| 00:48.22 | husimon | kind of want to switch that server off redhat |
| 00:48.37 | damog | cafuego: not really |
| 00:48.39 | jelly-home | cafuego: I take offense on several levels! |
| 00:48.48 | cafuego | jelly-home: <heh> |
| 00:48.53 | cafuego | husimon: virtualise it |
| 00:49.01 | damog | cafuego: that's offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:49.02 | damog | :) |
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| 00:49.19 | husimon | cafuego: I'm not so sure it's a great idea for this application |
| 00:49.33 | cafuego | damog: Oh, d'oh! i thought there was #debian-ontopic and here... |
| 00:49.47 | damog | cafuego: heh. |
| 00:49.49 | husimon | cafuego: I am considering it though. |
| 00:50.14 | jelly-home | we runs redhat where we needs hardware support |
| 00:50.41 | dutchfish | !we |
| 00:50.42 | dpkg | we are going to replace you soon, or human, or the GNU fighers |
| 00:51.35 | jelly-home | dutchfish: not quite what we expected, eh |
| 00:51.43 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 00:52.31 | cafuego | hmmm, steamed custard bun |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | that sounds dirty |
| 00:53.45 | cafuego | but is delicious |
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| 00:54.19 | dutchfish | try it with melted chocalat .... |
| 00:54.27 | cafuego | http://www.myfood4thought.com/nice-custard-buns/ |
| 00:54.35 | cafuego | dutchfish: disgusting |
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| 00:57.31 | dutchfish | cafuego, http://www.kokenmetdirk.nl/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=0&pos=-32 |
| 00:58.00 | cafuego | Da's lekker, maar niet echt iets voor ontbijt. |
| 00:59.24 | troubled | cafuego: if only custard didnt sound like, and remind me of mustard, it might sound a little tastier |
| 00:59.41 | cafuego | troubled: "vanilla cream bun" ? |
| 00:59.51 | troubled | much better ;) |
| 01:00.06 | cafuego | except it's not really creamy, more crumbly |
| 01:00.16 | cafuego | s/it's/it was/ |
| 01:01.09 | troubled | cafuego: eew, they look like albino cabbage rolls, leaking mustard! |
| 01:01.23 | cafuego | troubled: but they're soooooooooooooo yum |
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| 01:01.37 | cafuego | fluffy sweet dough filled with yummy vanilla |
| 01:01.49 | abrotman | like a boston creme donut ? |
| 01:01.58 | troubled | so the white thing is just dough? |
| 01:02.02 | cafuego | dunno, never had one of them |
| 01:02.03 | damog | i like doughnuts |
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| 01:02.26 | cafuego | troubled: Yeah, just sweetened dough, then steamed, not baked |
| 01:02.36 | troubled | cafuego: lol. wtf you mean you havent had one yet? |
| 01:02.44 | freeone3000 | Is the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source packages the latest that nvidia has to offer? |
| 01:03.00 | cafuego | troubled: a "boston creme donut" ? no. |
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| 01:03.08 | troubled | ah, nm then |
| 01:03.16 | cafuego | troubled: Unless they're called something else here, no idea. |
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| 01:06.38 | Xitium | ... grumbles at vmware - I sure wish I could just type apt-get install vmware |
| 01:06.56 | freeone3000 | You can't? |
| 01:07.09 | Xitium | I couldn't |
| 01:07.10 | abrotman | it's not in debian .. and they don't package it for dpkg based systems |
| 01:07.40 | cafuego | I can. Doesn't do anything, but I can type it. |
| 01:07.40 | yassine | do i have to recompile the kernel if i want a newer kernel version or does debian provide alors precompiled kernels i could just install via apt? |
| 01:07.40 | cafuego | yassine: yes |
| 01:07.40 | jelly-home | !info vmware-package sid |
| 01:07.40 | freeone3000 | yassine: The second, but you might want to compile it anyway. |
| 01:07.40 | dpkg | vmware-package: (utility for building VMware Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is extra. Version: 0.16 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 432 kB |
| 01:07.50 | cafuego | yassine: if you want say 2.6.2x, you need to compile it yourself. |
| 01:08.02 | yassine | mhh okay |
| 01:08.09 | freeone3000 | 2.6.22's in unstable... |
| 01:08.23 | jelly-home | 2.6.22 was available at backports.org last time I looked |
| 01:08.28 | cafuego | freeone3000: ... but might depend on packaged from unstable. |
| 01:08.29 | yassine | what is the newes stable (for lenny) available version |
| 01:08.35 | cafuego | AH ok, easy then. |
| 01:08.39 | chowmeined | the debian installer has too many steps when making partitions |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | yassine: .22 |
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| 01:08.50 | freeone3000 | cafuego: ...Keep in mind it's a *kernel*. Stuff depends on it, not the other way around. |
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| 01:09.12 | yassine | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.22? |
| 01:09.20 | jelly-home | freeone3000: yeah well debian's packages are weird that way, they sometimes depend of other packages ;-) |
| 01:09.20 | abrotman | or thereabouts .. yes |
| 01:09.29 | cafuego | freeone3000: nearly, take say the initrd tools |
| 01:09.30 | freeone3000 | 2.6.22-1-yourarch |
| 01:09.36 | abrotman | -2- |
| 01:09.40 | freeone3000 | -2-, right. |
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| 01:12.01 | chowmeined | how well is selinux working under etch? |
| 01:12.07 | Xitium | when using apt-get after something is installed is there a way to go back and see the suggested packages? |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 01:12.57 | cafuego | With possibly grep ^Suggest |
| 01:13.48 | Xitium | ty |
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| 01:15.08 | kassa | irc.freenode.net |
| 01:15.11 | Supaplex | chowmeined: afaik it's setup, just not enabled. |
| 01:15.27 | cafuego | kassa: too late |
| 01:15.28 | kassa | irc.freenode.nethttp://www.freerapidaccount.com/free/?r=43844 |
| 01:15.29 | kassa | http://www.freerapidaccount.com/free/?r=43844 |
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| 01:15.31 | chowmeined | but are the policies decent? or does everything fall apart? |
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| 01:15.56 | cafuego | !ops kassa wants a ban |
| 01:15.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cafuego complains about: kassa wants a ban |
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| 01:16.14 | kassa | http://www.freerapidaccount.com/free/?r=43844 |
| 01:16.16 | kassa | http://www.freerapidaccount.com/free/?r=43844 |
| 01:16.18 | kassa | http://www.freerapidaccount.com/free/?r=43844 |
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| 01:16.21 | abrotman | oh .. rate limiting! |
| 01:16.21 | cafuego | ta |
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| 01:16.38 | Supaplex | I thought he wanted an apache benchmark. oops. |
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| 01:18.37 | kdjf | Hi guys im running bind.. master/slave configuration with 2 servers |
| 01:18.59 | kdjf | slave is configured in named.conf for zone transfer (On master) |
| 01:19.18 | cafuego | !eye abrotman |
| 01:19.22 | kdjf | I change the serial on the master zone |
| 01:19.24 | kdjf | it's not updating |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | checked logs on both sides ? |
| 01:19.42 | cafuego | kdjf: is the salve listed in allow-transfer {} on the master? |
| 01:19.53 | mentor | kdjf: rndc reload |
| 01:19.59 | dondelelcaro | kdjf: and do you see the slave notify go out from the master to the slave? |
| 01:20.04 | cafuego | kdjf: And did you set "notify yes" |
| 01:20.04 | mentor | kdjf: Has it ev er updated? |
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| 01:20.35 | kdjf | cafuego: yes |
| 01:20.39 | kdjf | mentor: done that |
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| 01:20.53 | kdjf | mentor: yes it has updated |
| 01:21.06 | mentor | kdjf: So what happens in the master's logs after you reload |
| 01:21.12 | kdjf | serial on my master = 2007130503 |
| 01:21.18 | kdjf | serial on slave = 2007110507 |
| 01:21.29 | kdjf | i know the master serial is a bit messed with the 13 |
| 01:21.31 | chowmeined | 7 updates in a day? |
| 01:21.37 | kdjf | chowmeined: lately yes |
| 01:21.46 | chowmeined | ouch im sorry |
| 01:21.57 | cafuego | it's not november though ;-) |
| 01:21.59 | kdjf | mentor: where are the master logs for dns etc? |
| 01:22.07 | cafuego | kdjf: syslog |
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| 01:22.10 | abrotman | kdjf: usually end up in syslog |
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| 01:22.54 | kdjf | abrotman: syslog is empty :\ i deleted it a while back and re-created it |
| 01:23.00 | kdjf | (space issue) |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | it's still empty ? |
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| 01:23.11 | kdjf | abrotman: yes |
| 01:23.15 | kdjf | permissions are fine.. |
| 01:23.15 | kdjf | :s |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | how long ago did you delete it ? |
| 01:23.22 | kdjf | quite a while ago |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | it shouldn't still be empty |
| 01:23.30 | cafuego | did restart syslogd after deleting the file? |
| 01:23.51 | kdjf | cafuego: no didn't do that |
| 01:24.00 | cafuego | then that's why it's still empty |
| 01:24.07 | cafuego | syslog is still logging to the deleted inode |
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| 01:24.17 | kdjf | cafuego: ok I did a /etc/init.d/syslogd stop/restart |
| 01:24.25 | kdjf | cafuego: then did a rndc reload and theres nothing in syslog |
| 01:24.40 | cafuego | is syslogd running? |
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| 01:24.53 | kdjf | cafuego: yes |
| 01:25.13 | cafuego | hmm. anything recnt in any other logfiles there? |
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| 01:25.39 | kdjf | authlog |
| 01:25.41 | kdjf | thats it |
| 01:25.58 | kdjf | kernlog + maillog |
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| 01:26.01 | kdjf | aswell |
| 01:26.27 | kdjf | cafuego: ^^ |
| 01:27.38 | stiv2k | is there a way i can stream music from a remote location over ssh? |
| 01:27.39 | cafuego | Odd, but well. |
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| 01:27.56 | cafuego | kdjf: Can you explicitly call 'rndc refresh zone' on the slave? |
| 01:28.23 | kdjf | rndc reload environment.wa.gov.au |
| 01:28.23 | kdjf | zone refresh queued |
| 01:28.35 | mentor | stiv2k: Yes. Use ssh. |
| 01:28.42 | cafuego | queued? |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | stiv2k: you could try to do mpd over ssh .. but seems like it'd be slow .. or maybe shfs |
| 01:28.42 | kdjf | hasn't updated |
| 01:29.05 | kdjf | cafuego: queued.. yeah no idea ? |
| 01:29.06 | mentor | stiv2k: Just use SSH port forwarding? |
| 01:29.06 | kdjf | :s |
| 01:29.17 | jelly-home | stiv2k: what are you trying to do, that can't be done without ssh? |
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| 01:29.29 | Guerin | sshfs is the way to solve this problem |
| 01:29.31 | cafuego | kdjf: Can you try an AXFR using dig on the slave? |
| 01:29.37 | Guerin | if there's no chance of nfs or such |
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| 01:29.48 | cafuego | kdjf: dig AXFR environment.wa.gov.au @master.dns |
| 01:30.12 | jelly-home | mplayer reliably triggers a race condition with sshfs. can't play files with it :-) |
| 01:30.19 | stiv2k | mentor: well uh what program to use? |
| 01:30.28 | kdjf | cafuego: its not taking anything |
| 01:30.48 | kdjf | cafuego: like all records are blank |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | fix the logs first ? |
| 01:31.20 | cafuego | kdjf: Any chance you have an error in the zone file? |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | cafuego: how would he know .. no logs! :) |
| 01:31.41 | jelly-home | stiv2k: are you just trying to play some remote files? |
| 01:31.43 | cafuego | abrotman: By looking at it, of course! :-) |
| 01:31.45 | stiv2k | jelly-home: yes |
| 01:31.51 | jelly-home | stiv2k: try sshfs, then |
| 01:31.59 | stiv2k | jelly-home: i usually play it from my server w/ NFS but im away from my LAN |
| 01:32.07 | cafuego | abrotman: You can't look at a zone file and instantly see whether it's valid? |
| 01:32.07 | Guerin | jelly-home: oh. |
| 01:32.17 | abrotman | cafuego: with only a few names .. maybe :) |
| 01:32.35 | cafuego | abrotman: vim syntax hilighting helps too ;-) |
| 01:32.39 | jelly-home | Guerin: mplayer foo.avi "file not found". strace -o/dev/null mplayer foo.avi -> works |
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| 01:32.44 | abrotman | cafuego: the yankees lost! |
| 01:32.56 | cafuego | abrotman: the what wherenow? |
| 01:33.03 | jelly-home | tanstaafp |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | cafuego: baseball .. :) |
| 01:33.16 | Guerin | jelly-home: freakshow. |
| 01:33.29 | cafuego | is that like tennis? |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | cafuego: yes .. but with more players :) |
| 01:33.50 | cafuego | Oh ok, i hate tennis. |
| 01:33.55 | jelly-home | !listvalues anyone for tennis |
| 01:33.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'anyone for tennis' by value (1): best. |
| 01:33.57 | mentor | stiv2k: Well anything that will stream music |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | they have baseball in .au .. i know they do |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | cafuego: i didn't know vim did zone files |
| 01:34.13 | cafuego | abrotman: basketball, you mean |
| 01:34.15 | stiv2k | mentor: that supports ssh? |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | cafuego: there's a guy that plays for the uhm .. braves i think from .au |
| 01:34.41 | cafuego | no wonder they kicked him out <heh> |
| 01:34.55 | mentor | stiv2k: ssh port forwarding is networking, anything that does networking will wor with it. Perhaps a look at the ssh man page will help |
| 01:35.05 | kdjf | cafuego: yeah maybe what would be the best way to find that error in the zone? |
| 01:35.21 | Supaplex | oh sure, use envlab. %-) if I only knew how. |
| 01:35.31 | mentor | vim does everything |
| 01:35.39 | Xitium | question for ya'll i'm starting vnc4server with -rfbport 5903 but everytime it starts it uses 5901 any ideas? |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | cafuego: Moylan, Peter Attadale, Australia |
| 01:35.42 | cafuego | kdjf: named-checkzone |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | mentor: but does it have an irc client like emacs ? |
| 01:36.21 | jelly-home | mentor: I bet it can't stream music over ssh! |
| 01:36.24 | mentor | abrotman: but does emacs have an editor like vim? |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | mentor: it can only wish :) |
| 01:36.42 | kdjf | cafuego: don't have that.. : |
| 01:36.50 | cafuego | attadale would appear to be in WA, which is a good 3,000km away |
| 01:37.05 | cafuego | kdjf: it;'s in the bind9 package |
| 01:37.11 | mentor | !find /named-checkzone$ |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm just pointing it out! .. apparently .au had a team at the baseball world classic thingie |
| 01:37.17 | cafuego | /usr/sbin/named-checkzone |
| 01:37.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/named-checkzone' (1): (/usr/sbin/named-checkzone) in net/bind9. |
| 01:37.28 | mentor | huh |
| 01:37.33 | cafuego | that bot is soooo slow |
| 01:37.40 | kdjf | only got named-bootconf + xfer |
| 01:37.45 | karsten | cafuego: I'm not a bot. |
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| 01:37.54 | mentor | cafuego: It did just download new index files first |
| 01:38.02 | mentor | karsten: botsnack |
| 01:38.08 | cafuego | karsten: Why do you say I'm not a bot? |
| 01:38.09 | karsten | mentor: Thank you. |
| 01:38.22 | karsten | cafuego: My source code impells me to do so. |
| 01:38.22 | jelly-home | cafuego: for something that almost always gets the newest Contents files from a mirror, it's quite fast |
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| 01:38.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think he has a local mirror |
| 01:38.46 | kdjf | cafuego: mate no named-checkznoe |
| 01:38.48 | kdjf | zone* |
| 01:38.53 | cafuego | !find named-bootconf |
| 01:38.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: cheating! |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | kdjf: you have to install it |
| 01:38.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'named-bootconf' returned no results. |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's a bot for you ..; |
| 01:39.22 | cafuego | kdjf: Are you sure that box is running Debian? |
| 01:39.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'll bed with eggdrop then, see who cheats whom. |
| 01:39.42 | kdjf | cafuego: yes |
| 01:39.53 | cafuego | What version of the bind9 pkg? |
| 01:39.57 | mentor | !find /named-checkzone$ stable |
| 01:40.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: you pig! |
| 01:40.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/named-checkzone' (1): (/usr/sbin/named-checkzone) in net/bind9. |
| 01:40.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: um... chicken? |
| 01:40.18 | jelly-home | COCK |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:42.25 | Xitium | I'm starting vnc4server with -rfbport 5903 but everytime it starts it uses 5901 any ideas? |
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| 01:42.39 | cafuego | !any ideas |
| 01:42.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 rabid goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:42.51 | mentor | That used to be funnier |
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| 01:43.01 | kdjf | my soa details; |
| 01:43.01 | kdjf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.01 | kdjf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.01 | kdjf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.01 | kdjf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.10 | kdjf | sorry guys |
| 01:43.13 | mentor | kdjf: TOPIC |
| 01:43.15 | cafuego | heh |
| 01:43.29 | kdjf | my apologies |
| 01:43.38 | kdjf | will my SOA Details affect the zone transfer at all? |
| 01:44.10 | abrotman | fix logs! |
| 01:44.18 | kdjf | syslog is ru nning |
| 01:44.26 | mentor | Is it logging? |
| 01:44.56 | mentor | Will it blend? |
| 01:45.06 | cafuego | kdjf: Can you add a *.* rule to its config file, so it logs *everything* to a specific file? |
| 01:45.43 | cafuego | kdjf: The SOA shouldn't affect transfer if you upped the serial *or* initiated a refresh on the slave |
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| 01:47.52 | troubled | mentor: Will it blend? that what i think your refering to? ;) |
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| 01:48.52 | Guerin | troubled: yes, it will. |
| 01:48.59 | sayers | Erm, alsa is not working , and when I run alsa mixer it says "no mixer elems found" I am stumped. |
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| 01:49.16 | Guerin | (given a sufficiently advanced blender) |
| 01:49.23 | troubled | aye |
| 01:49.32 | porta | how can the host name be changed. I changed it in the host file but there are a few other files I found it in. Do I need to bother with the other files? |
| 01:49.43 | troubled | Guerin: you should have caught the one with the iPhone :) |
| 01:49.44 | asg | porta: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 01:49.44 | porta | cd /etc |
| 01:49.57 | Guerin | troubled: mmm, iphone destruction |
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| 01:50.48 | asg | Guerin: iPwned |
| 01:51.26 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:55.01 | azeem | karsten: right on |
| 01:55.05 | asg | karsten: you are bad ass |
| 01:55.13 | Guerin | or at least bad |
| 01:55.17 | Guerin | and ass |
| 01:55.25 | kspath | smell? |
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| 01:55.47 | Guerin | it's even in his name: kARStEn ! |
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| 01:56.10 | kspath | ars wow sure is |
| 01:56.42 | kdjf | ok i think my master is working correctly now |
| 01:56.52 | stiv2k | jelly-home: how do i open up the ssh connecction so i can browse the dirs in my media player??? |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | you mean it's logging ? |
| 01:56.55 | cafuego | i am? |
| 01:57.11 | stiv2k | jelly-home: gnome has that network connections tool but i dont know how to exec it from the command line |
| 01:57.12 | kdjf | cafuego: say I want to get my slave to slave proprerly again from scratch, should I clear the zone or whats the best way? |
| 01:57.15 | jelly-home | stiv2k: use sshfs!!! |
| 01:57.21 | stiv2k | jelly-home: never heard of sshfs |
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| 01:57.28 | kdjf | whats the best way to get the slave records done properly |
| 01:57.35 | kspath | !sshfs |
| 01:57.35 | dpkg | methinks sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 01:57.44 | cafuego | kdjf: Increment the serial on the master, dnc reload, and off it should go. |
| 01:57.44 | kdjf | ie. start from scratch |
| 01:57.55 | stiv2k | jelly-home: thanks |
| 01:58.01 | kdjf | cafuego: what should the update time be between the slave/master? |
| 01:58.25 | kdjf | cafuego: the slave isn't updating.. |
| 01:58.48 | cafuego | kdjf: mine is an hour or so |
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| 01:59.10 | kdjf | cafuego: what paramater is it? refresh? expire? |
| 01:59.14 | cafuego | refresh |
| 01:59.32 | cafuego | actually, mine is 2 hours (on most zones) |
| 01:59.35 | kdjf | cafuego: yeah same.. what way can u force it? |
| 01:59.40 | stiv2k | jelly-home: fuse??? != sshfs |
| 01:59.49 | kdjf | cafuego: rndc reload zone ? |
| 01:59.49 | stiv2k | oh my bad |
| 01:59.51 | stiv2k | wrong url |
| 01:59.59 | cafuego | kdjf: you can force with with 'rndc refresh' on the slave |
| 02:00.13 | cafuego | that should trigger a re-download of the zone. |
| 02:00.58 | karsten | Guerin: Correct on both counts. |
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| 02:01.17 | kdjf | rndc refresh |
| 02:01.18 | kdjf | rndc: 'refresh' failed: unexpected end of input |
| 02:01.31 | cafuego | time for the logfile |
| 02:01.48 | kdjf | ok syslog is running |
| 02:01.56 | kdjf | permissions are fine on syslog |
| 02:02.01 | jelly-home | and in the darkness bind9 'em |
| 02:02.04 | kdjf | what else could it be |
| 02:02.30 | kdjf | i just used vi and saved the file.. |
| 02:02.33 | kdjf | to create syslog again |
| 02:02.35 | kdjf | would that work? |
| 02:04.04 | sf7 | how do i add an entry to my Applications -> Games menu? |
| 02:04.37 | sf7 | (Edit Menus -> .. -> New Item isnt putting it there? do i need to be su?) |
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| 02:05.46 | stiv2k | jelly-home: it works, thanks |
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| 02:07.49 | phil | What is the comment to fix debian package please? |
| 02:07.53 | karsten | sf7: That's generally handled by the debian menu system. |
| 02:08.05 | karsten | !menu |
| 02:08.06 | dpkg | from memory, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 02:08.37 | abrotman | phil: be less vague |
| 02:08.46 | phil | apt command? |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | aptitude -f install ? |
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| 02:09.45 | karsten | phil: Fix what package for what reason? |
| 02:09.51 | phil | Mysql |
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| 02:09.53 | zinx | phil: debian packages aren't broken, so there is no need to fix them. |
| 02:10.18 | node_6 | is there any way to mark a repo in sources list so that only a package or two are kept up-to-date via apt-get update ? I would like to be able to add an 'unstable' or 'testing' repo to grab the bleeding edge packages I want, but not be told there are 400 new updates every time gnome boots |
| 02:10.20 | phil | Mysql will not start |
| 02:10.38 | abrotman | holy vagueness batman |
| 02:10.45 | jelly-home | !ask |
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| 02:10.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:11.06 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 02:11.44 | majmun | sorry for that offtopic-stuff, but i need a short english-lession...at least it's for a little tool, written for debian ;) |
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| 02:11.59 | phil | I typed apt-get remove package name then apt-get install package and that did not fix the problem. |
| 02:12.00 | majmun | let's pretend that i want to write a message to a user who exceeded his max. amount of mails he can send |
| 02:12.09 | majmun | Sorry, this user exceeded the max. amount of mails being sent per day. |
| 02:12.16 | abrotman | majmun: he's a spammer .. shoot him |
| 02:12.19 | majmun | is that sentence "nice"? |
| 02:12.24 | majmun | no i'm not :P |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | not you .. the user! |
| 02:12.33 | zinx | majmun: there's no need to be nice to spammers |
| 02:12.35 | majmun | oh :> |
| 02:12.45 | node_6 | in fact, quite the opposite |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | majmun: "My apologies, but I could not deliver your mail. You've been a bad bad boy!" |
| 02:13.04 | majmun | no, it's not intended to tell that to a spammer, just to inform an user who sent to many mails for that day |
| 02:13.15 | phil | Is the command apt-reconfigure ? |
| 02:13.26 | majmun | and i'd need a formal, nice but clear statement for that |
| 02:13.26 | abrotman | phil: you need to be WAY more descriptive |
| 02:13.27 | jelly-home | zinx: there is much need to be nice to a customer whose web php app is buggy and used as spam tool |
| 02:13.28 | karsten | phil: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:13.30 | Guerin | majmun: use plain english. "Sorry, this user has sent too many emails today." |
| 02:13.32 | zinx | majmun: how many is too many? |
| 02:13.37 | majmun | e.g. 20 |
| 02:13.44 | Guerin | 20 is not many |
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| 02:13.47 | karsten | phil: ... if you're failing to clearly express what it is I think you're failing to clearly express. |
| 02:13.51 | Guerin | i would start to worry at 200 |
| 02:13.55 | mentor | For some users, 1. |
| 02:13.55 | majmun | it is, if the server has to handle thousands per day |
| 02:13.58 | zinx | majmun: oh, then yeah, just say how it is. you sent too many mails, wait 'til tomorrow |
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| 02:14.15 | majmun | no seriously guys :> |
| 02:14.24 | majmun | just tell me how i should write that down |
| 02:14.26 | Guerin | majmun: seriously. managerese isn't nice. |
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| 02:15.10 | jelly-home | majmun: you're a monkey, they won't expect you to be nice :-> |
| 02:15.14 | majmun | "Sorry, this user exceeded the max. amount of mails being sent per day." ..that doesn't sound that formal to me..more as if it is plain english |
| 02:15.20 | majmun | common, stop kidding :D |
| 02:15.23 | mentor | Tell them what has happened, what has triggered it, and why that trigger is in place |
| 02:15.41 | majmun | nah, that's too much information |
| 02:15.48 | majmun | it has to be short |
| 02:15.54 | zinx | is this a debian question? |
| 02:16.03 | jelly-home | If I had to choose I'd use Guerin's oneliner |
| 02:16.03 | majmun | for a debian-application :> |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | majmun: "You sent too much mail today, try again tomorrow" |
| 02:16.04 | Guerin | majmun: Dear luser, you have sent n emails today. The daily limit is m messages per day. Your email account will be disabled until tomorrow. If you have any questions, call 0800-fuckoff. Regards, BOFH |
| 02:16.09 | Guerin | there you go |
| 02:16.10 | mentor | Policies should always be accompanied by the reason for their existence. |
| 02:16.18 | majmun | hehe |
| 02:16.39 | phil | shell:/etc/mysql# dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:16.47 | jelly-home | "For more details see http://mycompany.com/terms-of-usage" |
| 02:16.50 | majmun | mentor: yes, the user know that they exist, this is just about the little message which tells him that the limitation is exceeded |
| 02:16.53 | zinx | just sayin, we're wasting a lot of time because you are refusing the answers you're getting on a question that isn't terribly related to what this channel is about |
| 02:16.57 | phil | usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mysql-server-5.0 is broken or not fully installed |
| 02:17.21 | majmun | zinx: maybe this junnel just needs a little off-topic talk :> |
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| 02:17.23 | zinx | it is entirely possible that you'd get answers you're happier with somewhere else :/ |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | phil: what problem are you trying to fix? |
| 02:17.43 | jelly-home | majmun: there's a WHOLE #debian-offtopic just for those |
| 02:17.49 | zinx | majmun: send 10000 emails and see what your ISP sends you |
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| 02:17.51 | jelly-home | talks |
| 02:17.55 | phil | Trying to get mysql to run. |
| 02:17.58 | mentor | The mail server has not relayed your email because you have sent more emails today than you are allowed |
| 02:18.00 | Guerin | zinx: heh. |
| 02:18.05 | mentor | next. |
| 02:18.08 | zinx | phil: aptitude install mysql-client mysql-server does not work? |
| 02:18.11 | majmun | that's good :> |
| 02:18.12 | node_6 | zinx: good one |
| 02:18.41 | phil | I can not get the server to start |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | phil: do you ahve an error when you try to start it ? |
| 02:18.42 | jelly-home | -ETOOMANYYOUS |
| 02:18.47 | geo-rge | yeah, I had noticed you're not particularly happy with the answers, especially when they take the form of "why aren't you searching google and why are you saying just tell me how to do it??" |
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| 02:19.05 | abrotman | phil: if you don't give us information .. we can't help you |
| 02:19.06 | geo-rge | mememeeeee |
| 02:19.23 | zinx | phil: it should start automatically if you use the debian mysql-server package |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | zinx: i think he fucked the config .. and now it won't start |
| 02:19.37 | majmun | geo-rge: i don't expect google to give me such a good answer as real people here might do |
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| 02:19.57 | zinx | abrotman: possible |
| 02:19.57 | majmun | however, i got help and the deb-community will have one more application soon |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | zinx: but since he won't give us useful information ... it's hard to tell |
| 02:20.21 | zinx | phil: what does ''/etc/init.d/mysql start'' say? |
| 02:20.26 | jelly-home | majmun: is it a wrapper for /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 02:20.29 | phil | Is there a way to remove all the mysql file de-install the mysql package they re-install it? |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | dpkg -P mysql-server-5.0 && aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:20.49 | geo-rge | majmun: oh, cool. what you might want to do is parameterize the message sent... if this is to be an app, then others might want a different message |
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| 02:20.55 | zinx | phil: aptitude purge --purge mysql-client mysql-server; aptitude install mysql-client mysql-server |
| 02:21.06 | majmun | cool down |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | mysql-server is a metapcakge |
| 02:21.19 | zinx | abrotman: ah :( |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | i think .. |
| 02:21.30 | majmun | jelly-home: no, just a little piece of software to manage some internal mailing |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !Info mysql-server etch |
| 02:21.34 | dpkg | mysql-server: has nothing about Info |
| 02:21.39 | zinx | abrotman: then that line will only work if it was done w/ aptitude in the first place (so the packgaes it depends on are auto..) |
| 02:21.40 | abrotman | even better .. ti doesn't exist :) |
| 02:21.51 | zinx | !info mysql-server etch |
| 02:21.55 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 02:21.59 | zinx | abrotman: :D |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | oh damn bot |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | it's still a metapackge! |
| 02:22.21 | geo-rge | you Infoed when you should have infoed :) |
| 02:22.25 | Grueber | heh |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | stupid sensitive bot! |
| 02:22.44 | zinx | so yeah, purge the stuff abrotman said |
| 02:23.02 | zinx | unless you're in the habit of always using aptitude, so it knows what was installed for dependencies |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | but it won't purge the deps i don't think |
| 02:23.25 | zinx | it will with --purge |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | i don't think aptitude has a --purge ? |
| 02:24.01 | zinx | (and if you do aptitude remove --purge, it will *only* purge the deps, not the package you're removing) |
| 02:24.09 | zinx | abrotman: it does in sid at least.. i'm pretty sure it does in etch |
| 02:24.19 | jelly-home | zinx: aptitude has "aptitude purge foo" |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | i already gave the right line! |
| 02:24.29 | zinx | jelly-home: yes, and that's for purging what's on the command-line |
| 02:24.34 | node_6 | doesn't do deps I don't think |
| 02:24.39 | phil | Ok I typed this aptitude purge --purge mysql-client mysql-server; aptitude install mysql-client mysql-server and the error log showed this Oct 5 22:20:42 shell /etc/init.d/mysql[11582]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 02:24.40 | jelly-home | not that ghastly remove --purge |
| 02:24.44 | zinx | jelly-home: --purge purges the *dependencies* that get removed |
| 02:24.53 | phil | Oct 5 22:20:42 shell /etc/init.d/mysql[11582]: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 02:24.56 | zinx | jelly-home: read what i said: aptitude purge --purge |
| 02:25.02 | jelly-home | zinx: oh! |
| 02:25.07 | zinx | jelly-home: the two purges are for different things |
| 02:25.10 | jelly-home | that's even worse. |
| 02:25.23 | abrotman | why doesn't anyone listen to me damn it! |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | dpkg -P mysql-server-5.0 && aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:25.31 | jelly-home | but at least the functionality exists |
| 02:25.34 | zinx | abrotman: hey, i told 'em to listen to you |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | you're all fired! |
| 02:26.02 | zinx | !dpkg -l abrotman |
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| 02:26.09 | zinx | oh, right, no ! |
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| 02:26.41 | phil | Hmm |
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| 02:26.58 | troubled | k you guys, you heard the man, lets pack up and start plan B...#ubuntu :) |
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| 02:27.33 | jelly-home | #abrotnix |
| 02:27.39 | phil | How can I fix the problem plese? |
| 02:27.39 | troubled | heh |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | i'm not doing it again |
| 02:27.55 | zinx | phil: is this a new problem? |
| 02:28.02 | phil | Yes |
| 02:28.16 | zinx | phil: we can't tell you how to fix it if we don't know what it is |
| 02:28.39 | phil | Remove all the mysql files then re-install mysql server |
| 02:28.43 | troubled | abrotman: perhaps if you explain what a metapackage is to him ;) |
| 02:28.52 | zinx | phil: that was the solution to the previous problem |
| 02:28.56 | abrotman | troubled: why .. it won't make a dent |
| 02:29.00 | zinx | phil: <abrotman> dpkg -P mysql-server-5.0 && aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:29.48 | phil | I already tried that Zinx |
| 02:30.26 | porta | I am able to use ssh to log into a debian machine that is in my house, But how may I remote to it with a gnome or something that is gui? |
| 02:31.07 | porta | with gnome not a gnome :-) |
| 02:31.46 | phil | Darn |
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| 02:31.49 | evilgeek | just say no to X. |
| 02:32.30 | sayers | How would I allow user Blah to sudo instead of having to su |
| 02:32.41 | phil | 071005 22:29:08 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 43655 071005 22:29:08 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address 071005 22:29:08 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 02:33.00 | evilgeek | man sudoers |
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| 02:33.34 | vin` | porta: ssh -X is probably what you want, /msg dpkg sshx |
| 02:34.35 | porta | vin`: ty |
| 02:35.20 | phil | Weird |
| 02:36.42 | porta | vin`: here is a stupid question. If I understand right do I install xauth and I'm good to go? |
| 02:38.27 | vin` | porta: it's part of xbase-clients |
| 02:39.43 | simonrvn | phil: well, is there? check |
| 02:40.21 | phil | What do you mean? |
| 02:41.16 | simonrvn | ps -ef | grep mysql |
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| 02:41.23 | porta | I read and am lost. :-( I installed ssh but not sure what else is needed. Also I have not created any perl scripts yet. as in the 2nd link. |
| 02:42.37 | vin` | porta: you don't need any perl scripts yet, did you check if X11Forwarding is enabled on the remote machine? |
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| 02:43.27 | vin` | porta: read the first link? |
| 02:43.41 | phil | Its not running and I got the same error msg. |
| 02:43.55 | porta | vin`: yes and I'm not sure if the X11Forwarding is enabled |
| 02:44.49 | vin` | porta: grep orwarding /etc/ssh/sshd_config (as mentioned in the first link) |
| 02:44.56 | simonrvn | phil: so check what's hogging that port (netstat -plaunt) |
| 02:45.24 | porta | vin`: the first block.. should I also do the grep? |
| 02:45.38 | vin` | simonrvn: you'll prolly need a -plonk soon |
| 02:45.47 | phil | There is nothing running on port 3306. |
| 02:47.27 | porta | vin`: ahhh.. so grep enables the forwarding. |
| 02:47.38 | vin` | porta: no it doesn't |
| 02:48.22 | porta | ?? |
| 02:48.35 | vin` | porta: what grep basically does is "print lines matching a pattern |
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| 02:49.03 | porta | so it showed X11Forwarding yes.. then this meens it was enabled? |
| 02:49.10 | vin` | porta: yes |
| 02:49.19 | porta | grep is it same as echo in microsoft? |
| 02:49.36 | Guerin | porta: no. RTFM. |
| 02:49.42 | porta | ? |
| 02:49.47 | Guerin | !rtfm |
| 02:49.48 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 02:50.10 | DemonSpecter | hello echo isn't the same as echo in MS |
| 02:50.30 | vin` | is it a bot? |
| 02:51.20 | Xenguy | read the fuckin manual... |
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| 02:51.32 | Xenguy | it's definitely a classic :-) |
| 02:51.47 | porta | the problem is I'm not understanding what I am reading. |
| 02:52.15 | vin` | porta: did you try ssh -X yet? |
| 02:52.40 | DemonSpecter | anyways, I just downloaded the KDE desktop files and everything for the desktop, rebooted and found it wasn't an option in sessions.....what do I do to add KDE to my desktop choices? I prefer KDE rather than Gnome |
| 02:52.52 | porta | yes I did that already and nothing happens other than a command login window |
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| 02:55.39 | porta | amiwm is it another windows manager? |
| 02:55.42 | vin` | DemonSpecter: is kdm installed as well? |
| 02:55.59 | DemonSpecter | dont know let me check |
| 02:56.03 | vin` | porta: yes |
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| 02:57.30 | DemonSpecter | yes according to my search in aptitude kdm is installed |
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| 02:58.08 | vin` | DemonSpecter: how are you starting X? use kdm if kde is what you prefer. |
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| 02:59.02 | sf7 | is this the right way to add a menu item? http://pastebin.com/m4d9502b5 |
| 02:59.34 | DemonSpecter | vin: well when I get to my login screen KDE isn't in my selection for Sessions it is just Gnome/Metacity/TWM .....I have to add KDE so that I can boot the KDE desktop to use it |
| 02:59.55 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: dpkg-reconfigure kdm .. make it the default display manager |
| 03:00.09 | DemonSpecter | thanks I couldn't remember the command |
| 03:01.01 | DemonSpecter | odd kdm is in installed packages but that says it isn't....just have to install it then |
| 03:01.06 | chowmeined | I added selinux=1 to the kopt= line in menu.lst, and did update-grub so now selinux=1 is added to each kernel entry, but selinux still wont turn on when I reboot |
| 03:04.06 | porta | If I am understanding this. I could use kde or gnome threw ssh -x? |
| 03:05.16 | DemonSpecter | grrr may have an issue with my DVD so that I may not be able to install kdm |
| 03:05.19 | chowmeined | porta: yes you could |
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| 03:06.07 | DemonSpecter | keep getting a md5sum mismatch all of a sudden |
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| 03:06.34 | abrotman | no http sources ? |
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| 03:07.07 | DemonSpecter | for some reason it doesn't seach HTTP it asks for Binary DVD 1 |
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| 03:07.47 | what_if | I have a java process that is over-writing files that the user has read-only permissions to _and_ the process changes the user and group of the file... please help :) |
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| 03:08.06 | dylaneb | howdy |
| 03:08.12 | what_if | 'elo |
| 03:08.14 | dalias | what_if, it probably just deletes the file and recreates a new one with the same name |
| 03:08.26 | dylaneb | anyone know why firewire drives show up when attached, but give an error when mouting ? |
| 03:08.42 | DemonSpecter | how do I make aptitude search http sources? |
| 03:08.46 | dalias | dylaneb, probably people need to know _what_ the error is in order to help you.... |
| 03:08.54 | dalias | demonspecter, look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:08.58 | dylaneb | of course. |
| 03:09.02 | DemonSpecter | cause I'm really tired of having to put in DVDs all the time |
| 03:09.13 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: comment out the cd sources in your sources.list |
| 03:09.48 | what_if | dalias: how do I keep a user from deleting a file then ?? |
| 03:10.00 | what_if | dalias: I thought read only was no-delete :0 |
| 03:10.01 | dylaneb | dalias, ok plug in Firewire drive, turn on and the partitions show up on the desktop |
| 03:10.06 | dylaneb | (using Debian/Sid on PPC) |
| 03:10.16 | dalias | what_if, a read-only directory is no-delete |
| 03:10.24 | dalias | unix actually has no such thing as deleting |
| 03:10.27 | dalias | it has unlinking |
| 03:10.29 | dylaneb | added an entry to /etc/fstab for the appropriate partition |
| 03:10.35 | dalias | that is, removing the link to a file from a directory |
| 03:10.35 | dylaneb | and tried mounting |
| 03:10.38 | dylaneb | here is the error |
| 03:10.45 | dalias | and if the number of links to a file reaches 0, the file ceases to exist |
| 03:11.08 | dylaneb | I see this in messages: |
| 03:11.10 | simonrvn | the resources tied up then go back to the rest of the system |
| 03:11.11 | dylaneb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.11 | dylaneb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.11 | dylaneb | sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk |
| 03:11.11 | dylaneb | attempt to access beyond end of device |
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| 03:11.30 | DemonSpecter | there ...don't know why the MD5Sum crapped out .....I take care of my DVDs o_O |
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| 03:12.05 | dalias | md5sum error cannot come from damaged dvds |
| 03:12.13 | DemonSpecter | I prefer using http://pastebin.bafserv.com/ |
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| 03:12.41 | DemonSpecter | don't know been using the DVD just fine and suddenly tonight it said that there was a md5sum mismatch |
| 03:12.41 | dalias | "cannot" in a sense that the probability of it happening is on the order of magnitude of the probability of bruteforcing cryptographic keys.. |
| 03:13.05 | porta | vin`: the command echo $DISPLAY replys with only a space. Is this bad? |
| 03:13.28 | dalias | dylaneb, it means linux considers the partition table on the device invalid |
| 03:13.31 | DemonSpecter | brb gonna try kde again |
| 03:13.34 | dylaneb | dalias, |
| 03:13.36 | dalias | i.e. part of the partition lies beyond the end of the disk... |
| 03:13.51 | dylaneb | dalias, when I attach this same device via USB I do not get this type of result.... |
| 03:13.52 | dalias | either linux is misinterpreting the partition table, or else it's really bogus |
| 03:13.58 | dalias | hmm |
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| 03:14.08 | dalias | maybe on the other hand linux is misinterpreting the _size_ of the device |
| 03:14.13 | dylaneb | could hal be interfering..? |
| 03:14.17 | dalias | and thinks it's smaller than it actually is when using firewire |
| 03:14.20 | dalias | wtf is hal? |
| 03:14.32 | abrotman | !hal |
| 03:14.32 | dpkg | hmm... hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 03:14.39 | dylaneb | hardware abstraction layer -- used for auto mounting devices |
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| 03:14.52 | dalias | ah.. |
| 03:15.02 | dalias | hal is quite a misnomer for that |
| 03:15.15 | dalias | hardware abstraction layer is a much broader term with a different meaning.. |
| 03:15.15 | dylaneb | hmm.. |
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| 03:15.28 | dalias | but leave it to the fdo folks to be stupid in areas like that.. |
| 03:15.42 | abrotman | it's older than FDO |
| 03:15.46 | abrotman | nice try though |
| 03:16.10 | dylaneb | I see this same behavior on a x86-based Debian/Sid machine with this disk |
| 03:16.11 | DemonSpecter | wtf? it installed and I made kdm my default but nothing still no kde....o_O |
| 03:16.12 | internat2 | so i have a gateway computer, 192.168.0.254. it has 2 network cards eth0 is local , eth1 is interwebs.. i want to run bandwidth monitoring on it so i know what computers are using the internet.. some stats and graphs would be nice, BUT i dont want it to count just traffic that goes to that computer.. only traffic that gets forwared onto the net |
| 03:16.44 | dalias | well its probably a firewire bug |
| 03:16.50 | dalias | i don't think many people use firewire on linux |
| 03:17.21 | zinx | some devices give the wrong size, too |
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| 03:17.34 | internat2 | any suggestions |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | i think you can use mrtg .. and just monitor one interface ? |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | i think there are some bandwidth accounting packages also |
| 03:18.28 | simonrvn | yes, just scan the external one, and count stuff coming from inside going out |
| 03:19.01 | internat2 | hmms |
| 03:19.13 | sf7 | how can i launch gedit from terminal as su - ? |
| 03:19.19 | simonrvn | you'll have to check the snmp tree for that one iface, but that's easy |
| 03:19.28 | internat2 | will mrtg give me a list of all the computers that that have gone through it, |
| 03:19.30 | simonrvn | !sux |
| 03:19.30 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as root. aptitude install sux and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <gksu>. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 03:20.10 | sf7 | thx |
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| 03:20.31 | DemonSpecter | well I guess I'm not to use KDE, installed it, configured it so kdm was default manager, logged out and clicked sessions to find no KDE still o_O |
| 03:20.38 | simonrvn | though to have other stuff scanned, you'll have to go lower level than snmp does |
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| 03:20.48 | abrotman | wait .. you actually *want* to use kde ? |
| 03:20.53 | simonrvn | like packets getting forwarded and shit |
| 03:21.06 | osmosis | Can someone please look at this explain to me how /dev/sda1 is created? http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/usbkeys |
| 03:21.30 | DemonSpecter | I've always prefered KDE over Gnome |
| 03:21.31 | dalias | "sux" has a very appropriate name... :) |
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| 03:21.59 | dalias | demonspecter, i've always preferred sticking large painful objects up my butt to putting my genitals in a blender too, but..... |
| 03:22.19 | abrotman | not surprising at all |
| 03:22.39 | simonrvn | dalias: what you do in your sex life has nothing to do with us |
| 03:22.44 | DemonSpecter | ok wtf does that have to do with KDE/Gnome o_O |
| 03:22.49 | dalias | .... |
| 03:23.10 | simonrvn | dalias: *you* went there, not me ;) |
| 03:23.29 | DemonSpecter | thank god he didn't take us there with him |
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| 03:24.10 | dalias | demonspecter, the point being that the better choice between two unpleasantries is not pleasant by default |
| 03:24.17 | Xitium | question for ya'll i'm starting vnc4server with -rfbport 5903 but everytime it starts it uses 5901 any ideas? |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | unpleasant by your terms .. not his |
| 03:25.17 | dalias | i just dislike the whole gnome/kde dichotomy and the implication that someone should be "on one side or the other" |
| 03:25.29 | abrotman | yeah .. and you like to shove things up your ass ... |
| 03:25.29 | dalias | they both have lots of problems |
| 03:25.32 | Xitium | fluxbox ftw! |
| 03:25.34 | dalias | abrotman, >_< |
| 03:25.42 | sf7 | how do i use sux? ive done man sux but im too stupid |
| 03:25.42 | DemonSpecter | the only unpleasant thing right now is figuring out what I'm not doing right to make KDE work....I've installed kdm and kde but nothing seems to be working |
| 03:25.50 | simonrvn | dalias: that i agree with you on. i see it as a false dichotomy |
| 03:26.02 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 03:26.06 | dalias | i use a number of gtk-based apps (thankfully not really any gnome ones tho) and i use kword which is the only usable wordprocessor i've found |
| 03:26.10 | DemonSpecter | dalias: don't get me wrong I use both Gnome and KDE but I just have a personal liking for KDE more than Gnome |
| 03:26.11 | sf7 | how do i use it to gedit from su - ? |
| 03:26.21 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager .. waht does it say ? |
| 03:26.22 | dalias | but i'd rather not have to put up with either |
| 03:26.50 | dalias | aside from the bloat issues, on which you'll tell me to buy a new gamer pc, both of them have painful file selector widgets |
| 03:26.51 | simonrvn | sf7: why are you re-asking this? you were answered already |
| 03:27.16 | DemonSpecter | /usr/bin/kdm |
| 03:27.20 | sf7 | simonrvm: cos i cant figure it out |
| 03:27.49 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: and when you boot .. do you get kdm or gdm ? |
| 03:28.01 | sf7 | do i do sux - instead of su - ? |
| 03:28.15 | simonrvn | sf7: what's hard about typing an extra letter? |
| 03:28.51 | Rusty1 | sf7 you wont beak it by trying |
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| 03:29.05 | sf7 | i tried and it wont work |
| 03:29.11 | DemonSpecter | that isn't the problem..the problem is that in my session where I chose Gnome/Terminal/MetaCity/TWM there is no KDE choice |
| 03:29.31 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: and that's all of them ? |
| 03:29.38 | sf7 | still says 'cant open display' when i do gedit |
| 03:29.48 | kdjf | is notify; yes requied in the named.conf for the zone to notify its slaves? |
| 03:29.48 | abrotman | what file are you trying to edit as root anyways ? |
| 03:29.56 | DemonSpecter | well their are failsafe options and such |
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| 03:30.20 | DemonSpecter | but the choice to load the KDE desktop isn't there |
| 03:30.37 | simonrvn | the daemon does the notifying, not the zone, but yes you need to tell it to do that |
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| 03:34.36 | abrotman | demon |
| 03:34.38 | abrotman | bah .. where'd he go |
| 03:35.28 | simonrvn | !lart DemonSpecter |
| 03:35.35 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 03:35.48 | kdjf | abrotman: my zone is working fine now... its not delegating outside though.. what values can I change to get delegation done quicker? |
| 03:35.51 | kdjf | refresh? expire? etc |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | refresh IIRC |
| 03:37.24 | simonrvn | actually combo, but that influences it a lot |
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| 03:38.09 | abrotman | well .. i think he just wants it to check more often .. |
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| 03:39.11 | simonrvn | mm. so yeh |
| 03:39.17 | Xitium | question for ya'll i'm starting vnc4server with -rfbport 5903 but everytime it starts it uses 5901 any ideas? |
| 03:40.16 | simonrvn | squatter squatting away... |
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| 03:40.51 | DemonSpecter | what is the name of the program for KDE? Gnome uses /usr/bin/gnome-session but what is KDEs? trying to see if I have it or not |
| 03:41.10 | abrotman | startkde or some crap |
| 03:41.10 | simonrvn | startkde |
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| 03:41.24 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: do you have a kde.desktop or something in /usr/share/xsessions/ ? |
| 03:41.34 | abrotman | !find xsessions/kde etch |
| 03:41.35 | DemonSpecter | yeah just created it |
| 03:41.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xsessions/kde' (1): (/usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop) in kde/ksmserver. |
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| 03:42.01 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: is ksmserver installed on your box ? |
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| 03:43.19 | DemonSpecter | it is now just installed it |
| 03:43.37 | abrotman | so retry your gdm/kdm/blahdm |
| 03:44.53 | DemonSpecter | one sec, have to change the EXEC line....copied the gnome.desktop and changed the lines except exec |
| 03:46.46 | simonrvn | binaries in that p[ackage are ksmserver and startkde (which the latter is a sh script) |
| 03:51.28 | kdjf | hey guys another complicated questio |
| 03:51.45 | kdjf | I have several domains.. hosting DNS for them on the same box right.. |
| 03:52.00 | kdjf | when I do a zone update to one, it updates and delegates fine externally |
| 03:52.15 | kdjf | when I do a zone update to another, it doesnt delegate and doesnt work externally |
| 03:52.18 | kdjf | rndc reload's fine |
| 03:52.39 | kdjf | I can do a dig @theserver and it will have the records there |
| 03:52.43 | simonrvn | see what's different and correct it |
| 03:52.47 | kdjf | the updated records* |
| 03:52.50 | kdjf | theres nothing different |
| 03:53.15 | DocPlatypus | perhaps a permissions issue on one box where it's supposed to write the zones? |
| 03:53.40 | simonrvn | yeh, good point, maybe the slave's file perms are off |
| 03:54.18 | DocPlatypus | that's usually the first thing I suspect when strange and not-so-wonderful things happen |
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| 03:54.34 | kdjf | perms for what |
| 03:54.36 | kdjf | the zone file? |
| 03:54.44 | DocPlatypus | the directory where it should be written |
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| 03:58.06 | sid | I have a music player attached to my desktop via USB, and it's charging like that. But I want to sleep, and my Desktop is loud. Is there a way to turn off most of my machine, but keep the USB ports working sot he music player charges? |
| 03:58.52 | DocPlatypus | sid: you may want to look into a power adapter that will charge via a USB plug |
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| 03:59.34 | chowmeined | I enabled selinux and made sure to relabel everything carefully but as soon as I put it in enforcing mode and reboot, init hangs with a bunch of avc denied errors |
| 04:00.47 | zoredache | sid: or possibly just a usb hub? They can usually power a device |
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| 04:03.14 | kdjf | hmmm |
| 04:03.36 | Tarka | Anyone know of a problem with mouse behaviour in sid? |
| 04:04.01 | Tarka | The left button appears to be stuck on double-click |
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| 04:05.45 | kdjf | simonrvn: DocPlatypus |
| 04:05.49 | kdjf | same thing happening |
| 04:06.00 | kdjf | the zone details arent delegating outside the network :\ |
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| 04:06.08 | kdjf | nothing has changed on the firewall |
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| 04:07.05 | stuart | Can someone please tell me where the option to (not) view applications for all desktops is? (Desktop switcher 2 d not 3d) |
| 04:09.04 | stuart | Pretty please? |
| 04:09.09 | stuart | In gnome that is |
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| 04:13.04 | Tarka | To answer my own question: bug #444674 |
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| 04:16.50 | |porta| | is it possable to have a system not start xserver at boot? |
| 04:19.07 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 04:21.52 | |porta| | is there a site to explain that? Or may I get the command to man? |
| 04:22.03 | |porta| | would it be man xserver? |
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| 04:23.58 | cyrushit | hello, good evening, how's things, I'm having trouble with not having enough, brains... |
| 04:24.16 | |porta| | with using ssh -X and trying to get a gui threw it. The responce is Fatal server error: |
| 04:24.20 | |porta| | Server is already active for display 0 |
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| 04:24.35 | |porta| | Am I not doing something right? |
| 04:24.46 | simonrvn | |porta|: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 04:25.02 | |porta| | ty |
| 04:25.07 | simonrvn | it's "through" not "threw", threw is past tense of throw |
| 04:25.32 | |porta| | heeh :-) |
| 04:26.44 | dalias | what about thru? :) |
| 04:27.54 | |porta| | I did manage to change the hostname without it craping :-) |
| 04:29.11 | |porta| | Please explain the ssh -X. I am tring to start gnome through* ssh and it reply's an error. |
| 04:31.34 | dalias | you do not run startx after ssh -X |
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| 04:31.36 | |porta| | back end is that on the system i'm loging into and front end is the system i'm on? |
| 04:31.44 | dalias | startx starts a new X server on the machine it's run on |
| 04:31.57 | dalias | what you want to do is run an X client on your existing X display |
| 04:31.57 | |porta| | then that is why I get the eror |
| 04:31.59 | |porta| | error |
| 04:32.17 | freeone3000 | So, you want to do something like 'kdestart', or 'enlightenment-start', or 'afterstep'. |
| 04:32.18 | |porta| | dalias I hate to say I do not understand |
| 04:32.29 | dalias | so run a program |
| 04:32.29 | freeone3000 | Start a window manager or desktop environment. |
| 04:32.33 | freeone3000 | What normally goes in ~/.xinitrc |
| 04:32.44 | dalias | freeone3000, he probably already has a wm running locally on the X display |
| 04:32.55 | |porta| | the system I'm on now has gnome |
| 04:32.57 | dalias | |porta|, to start out you should try just running an app |
| 04:33.00 | freeone3000 | dalias: Ah. |
| 04:33.04 | dalias | whatever app you want to run |
| 04:33.13 | |porta| | in the ssh connection? |
| 04:33.16 | dalias | yes |
| 04:33.32 | |porta| | I have used man a lot :-) |
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| 04:33.54 | dalias | try your favorite text editor or something |
| 04:34.12 | |porta| | vi does work well |
| 04:34.40 | simonrvn | !.xsession |
| 04:34.40 | dpkg | methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 04:36.11 | Tallu | hey umm. I have a bit of a problem. I have a pci-e x800 card and I'd like to use the 'ati' driver, however it would appear to be looking at pci-slots instead of pci-e and dies with no devices found. the same settings with the 'radeon' driver work just fine though. I've seen quite a few similar reports with ubuntu users when googling |
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| 04:40.48 | kdjf | simonrvn: |
| 04:40.52 | kdjf | DocPlatypus: |
| 04:40.55 | kdjf | the zone details arent delegating outside the network :\ |
| 04:40.59 | kdjf | from the master DNS Server |
| 04:41.02 | kdjf | only for this zone though. |
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| 04:42.40 | kawk | Hello |
| 04:43.16 | |porta| | ok the command gnome-session started to run then errored out saying it was already running. With remote logging does gnome need to not start automaticaly? |
| 04:44.04 | Supaplex | Oh, now I see why gentoo is a productivity tool. http://xkcd.com/303/ |
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| 04:47.50 | |porta| | <---gallon of gass and a match will do wonders for this computer. |
| 04:49.13 | |porta| | is xauth different than ssh -X? |
| 04:50.14 | kawk | Doesn't look like it |
| 04:50.22 | kawk | Not according to the man pages, anyway |
| 04:51.22 | |porta| | the documents I'm reading are confusing me more than anything :-( |
| 04:51.28 | Supaplex | |porta|: ssh -X depends on xauth (at the remote) |
| 04:51.50 | |porta| | remote.. the system I'm infront of? |
| 04:52.28 | Supaplex | ssh -X REMOTE |
| 04:53.34 | |porta| | ah |
| 04:54.48 | kdjf | anyone aoround know much about DNS? |
| 04:54.49 | kdjf | its important |
| 04:55.13 | Supaplex | !tell kdjf -about ask |
| 04:55.32 | Supaplex | no dns isn't important. we're turning off the root servers tomorrow. |
| 04:55.47 | Supaplex | psyche! as if. :P ok, so it's important to you. |
| 04:56.03 | kawk | I know a bit, why? |
| 04:56.31 | Supaplex | I know dns better than I know mind reading. |
| 04:57.06 | kawk | Anyone have an idea about Iceweasel not auto-forwarding web pages? i.e. forum login pages, etc. It's really bugging me. |
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| 04:57.47 | Supaplex | it's not following a redirect? |
| 04:57.51 | kawk | Nope. |
| 04:57.57 | kawk | Sorry, that's the term for it. |
| 04:58.31 | Supaplex | http header redirect, or document refresh, or javascript location? |
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| 04:59.18 | kawk | header redirect for sure, not sure about the others |
| 05:00.46 | gros | Hi. After having recently updated xserver-xorg-input-evdev to version 1.1.5-3 on amd64, my mouse settings, who previously worked well, now make evdev fail to properly detect it. Mouse config and error messages: http://pastebin.com/m2b53da0a . Any idea on what could be the cause of this and how to solve it ? |
| 05:00.49 | Supaplex | is it just that login/forum page, or other places to? |
| 05:00.55 | kawk | Everywhere |
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| 05:01.47 | |porta| | With ssh -X into a debian system am I using a xdm? |
| 05:02.29 | kawk | An X display manager? No, it's like a regular ssh session, except that you can launch X programs |
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| 05:05.50 | kawk | Ah well, goodnight everyone. |
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| 05:46.58 | cafuego | amazing how backups speed up after you remove the 10Mbit hub from the network |
| 05:47.13 | Supaplex | *laughs* |
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| 05:51.38 | Supaplex | ode to RTFM. haha http://xkcd.com/293/ |
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| 05:52.28 | freezer | hi |
| 05:52.31 | freezer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:52.32 | freezer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.45 | freezer | its on sid, any idea how to install gnome? |
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| 05:53.08 | Supaplex | with apt. |
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| 05:54.58 | freezer | and the command? |
| 05:54.59 | Supaplex | freezer: did you try installing both? |
| 05:55.14 | freezer | Supaplex: both? |
| 05:55.25 | Supaplex | yes, both packages |
| 05:55.25 | freezer | Supaplex: i just typed apt-get install gnome |
| 05:55.32 | Supaplex | that's apparent |
| 05:55.46 | freezer | Supaplex: this normally works under stable, sid etc. |
| 05:55.57 | Supaplex | sid isn't normal |
| 05:56.01 | wols | freezer: this is _sid_. think again |
| 05:56.02 | Supaplex | !+info gnome-desktop-environment sid |
| 05:56.03 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:56.07 | dpkg | gnome-desktop-environment: (The GNOME Desktop Environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.18.3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 05:56.11 | freezer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.47 | freezer | think its kind of broken |
| 05:56.49 | freezer | >( |
| 05:56.57 | Tallu | It's sid. It tends to break. |
| 05:57.06 | Supaplex | !unstable |
| 05:57.06 | dpkg | unstable is, like, the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 05:57.39 | Supaplex | atleast you get to keep all the broken pieces. |
| 05:58.00 | freezer | and how do i get gnome now |
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| 05:58.26 | Supaplex | you missed the not supported here part. |
| 05:58.38 | Supaplex | sure, we could help you fix gnome on sid, but you'll be back for more |
| 05:58.47 | Supaplex | if you're not up to that, don't use sid. |
| 05:58.48 | freezer | no |
| 05:58.50 | freezer | i promise |
| 05:58.57 | Supaplex | oh that's a new one. |
| 05:59.07 | Tallu | hehe |
| 05:59.13 | freezer | :D |
| 05:59.34 | Supaplex | read everything I've said for a few hints. |
| 05:59.40 | GhostlyDeath | I prefer testing |
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| 05:59.59 | freezer | in stable, are so much old packages |
| 06:00.05 | freezer | and most of the time, sid works |
| 06:00.16 | Supaplex | i perfer <chroot install> (actually, in vserver guests) |
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| 06:00.42 | freezer | i think if i install stable with gnome and than make a dist-upgrade to sid, gnome will be saved |
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| 06:01.04 | freezer | but then i must reinstall the whole system .oO |
| 06:01.32 | Supaplex | when you do, consider this: |
| 06:01.34 | Supaplex | !chroot install |
| 06:01.34 | dpkg | somebody said chroot install was http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap>, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 06:01.34 | stiv2k | is there some sort of windows alternative to sshfs? |
| 06:03.18 | wols | samba over a VPN |
| 06:03.37 | stiv2k | wols: VPN? |
| 06:03.46 | wols | !VPN |
| 06:03.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/ |
| 06:04.41 | wols | freezer: you are mistaken |
| 06:04.57 | wols | freezer: while it works, it's kinda like bombing the village to save it |
| 06:05.16 | freezer | wols: dont get ya |
| 06:05.44 | freezer | Supaplex: you mean i shall depbootstrap a stable to /dir and make a chroot to it? |
| 06:05.46 | wols | just install gnome from etch or testing |
| 06:05.57 | Supaplex | yes freezer |
| 06:06.01 | wols | and if you ask "how". then you MUST reinstall since you're incapable of running sid |
| 06:06.46 | freezer | wols: ya im kind of wondering how this should work |
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| 06:06.52 | freezer | wols: dont beat me |
| 06:06.59 | wols | yes install etch. only solution |
| 06:07.20 | freezer | i installed so much |
| 06:07.33 | Supaplex | http://xkcd.com/272/ |
| 06:07.51 | freezer | i had stable, but this ipw2200 sucks alot so i gone through etch to sid and through kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.23rc9 |
| 06:08.10 | Supaplex | try aptitude |
| 06:08.12 | GhostlyDeath | ipw3945 > ipw2200 |
| 06:08.22 | gros | Hi. After having recently updated xserver-xorg-input-evdev to version 1.1.5-3 on amd64, my mouse settings, who previously worked well, now make evdev fail to properly detect it. Mouse config and error messages: http://pastebin.com/m2b53da0a . Any idea on what could be the cause of this and how to solve it ? |
| 06:08.35 | wols | freezer: more BS. you don't need to run sid to get a newer kernel like 2.6.22 for example |
| 06:08.39 | freezer | GhostlyDeath: whats your point? |
| 06:08.47 | freezer | wols: i know |
| 06:09.09 | freezer | wols: but since i dont know, what exactly is causing the ipw2200 crashes, i just tryed alot |
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| 06:09.15 | streuner | !blairsmite freezer |
| 06:09.38 | GhostlyDeath | Wales? |
| 06:09.49 | streuner | GhostlyDeath: Wales ! :-) |
| 06:09.51 | freezer | streuner: i love u too |
| 06:09.51 | wols | !sidsmite gros |
| 06:10.07 | streuner | freezer: didnt we talk about this issue yesterday? |
| 06:10.19 | freezer | streuner: the ipw, maybe |
| 06:10.21 | gros | (huh ?) |
| 06:10.26 | wols | gros: the cause is easily named: sid. and the solution is just as easy: run stable |
| 06:10.38 | GhostlyDeath | !damn Kernel Panicking |
| 06:10.42 | streuner | GhostlyDeath: part of UK |
| 06:10.43 | freezer | streuner: i talked with others on #debian.de/ircnet ... no one knows a solution |
| 06:11.14 | freezer | streuner: but there are some people out with the same problem .oO |
| 06:11.43 | Supaplex | freezer: so you don't like this gnome breakage? |
| 06:12.13 | freezer | Supaplex: why should I |
| 06:12.16 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 06:12.16 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 06:12.34 | gros | (I see.) |
| 06:12.54 | streuner | GhostlyDeath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales |
| 06:13.44 | streuner | freezer: maybe try another channel which talks only about ipw2200 |
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| 06:14.16 | freezer | streuner: in #ipw2200 it looks like they are dead |
| 06:14.29 | freezer | or it was #ipw2100 |
| 06:14.42 | streuner | freezer: usually in such cases just have some patience or/and use a ML |
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| 06:15.07 | freezer | streuner: the thing is, this bug is since two years on the bugtrack, but no solution |
| 06:15.25 | streuner | well, thats a very bad sign then |
| 06:15.38 | Supaplex | http://xkcd.com/256/ |
| 06:15.58 | streuner | well, you know its very easy to buy another NIC and sell yours... |
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| 06:17.00 | wols | streuner: think again |
| 06:17.08 | basanta | I am trying to switch my nat from fedora to debian |
| 06:17.22 | wols | !tell basanta about ipmasq |
| 06:17.27 | streuner | wols: actually iam thinking what wols want to tell me ;-) |
| 06:17.58 | wols | replacing a WLAN NIC on a lappy is not easy at all |
| 06:18.02 | basanta | which file do I define parameters like bootproto and hwaddr |
| 06:18.27 | wols | wth is bootproto? |
| 06:18.28 | streuner | wols: didnt know that, good to know :-) |
| 06:18.41 | streuner | wols: USB |
| 06:19.13 | wols | yeah right. people not using the built in WLAN but use a danlgy USB one probably with less range |
| 06:19.32 | wols | !tell basanta about interfaces |
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| 06:20.03 | streuner | its better you use a "working" NIC instead of a NIC with issues |
| 06:20.21 | basanta | wols, bootproto=dhcp if one has to configure dhcp |
| 06:20.45 | wols | basanta: dpkg just told you |
| 06:22.04 | wols | basanta: if you want a dhcp server, look into dnsmasq |
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| 06:22.41 | freezer | streuner: normally yes, but im in the US now, and will only stay for 3months, so it suxx to sell and buy new etc. |
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| 06:23.01 | streuner | freezer: USB thingies are very cheap |
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| 06:30.35 | DimeBot | which one will run faster? 1. find /home -iname *backup*.gz -exec ls "{}" \; > file OR 2. for a in `find /home -iname *backup*.gz -exec ls "{}" \;`; do ... |
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| 06:45.30 | curi | hey. say, is it possible before debian installs, let show all he want to install and manually deselect packages? In my setup routine he asks me like "what kind u want to use" []Desktop System []Web Server []File Server, and that stuff. But he installs too much crap i cant use. is it possible? thanks |
| 06:47.19 | curi | has "debconf-priority=" something to say? |
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| 06:54.42 | wols | cureless: just don't install anything there. deselect anything and later when debian isntall is don, install stuff via aptitude |
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| 06:55.23 | wols | debconf priority only determines what questions it askes when installing a package (to configure the app) |
| 06:56.07 | dalias | he left |
| 06:56.57 | Pons | guys, is there any way of changing a system from amd_64 to i686 without reinstalling |
| 06:56.59 | Pons | ? |
| 06:58.23 | chowmeined | im trying to setup selinux, but after ive done all the steps (enabled selinux, relabled, setup policy) when I restart in enforcing mode.. init gets stuck with an avc denial |
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| 07:01.42 | DocPlatypus | Pons: it would be so close to a reinstall that that's what you may as well do |
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| 07:22.53 | Silvia | hi.... |
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| 07:23.00 | SpeedyG | hi |
| 07:23.27 | Silvia | i have a litle problem with a networking bridge....... |
| 07:23.37 | Silvia | SpeedyG, could you help me? |
| 07:23.51 | SpeedyG | maybe |
| 07:24.07 | SpeedyG | but just ask/state the problem.. there's more people that are looking/listening ;) |
| 07:24.26 | Silvia | oks |
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| 07:25.53 | Silvia | i have setup a qemu vm in a remote server doing bridge. server can ping qemu vm, qemu vm can ping server, but qemu vm can not ping inet neither from inet can ping qemu vm |
| 07:26.18 | Silvia | qemu vm default gateway is the bridge... |
| 07:27.15 | Silvia | how can i check if my bridge is working right? |
| 07:28.38 | SpeedyG | hm, i've never done anything with qemu/bridging, so i'm affraid I cant really help you with this one |
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| 07:30.03 | Silvia | oh... |
| 07:30.24 | Silvia | wols, are you alive? |
| 07:32.53 | Silvia | is necesary masquerade for get inet from qemu?? |
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| 07:33.35 | SpeedyG | i'm usually working with vmware for vm, and I set the network to nat to get it working |
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| 07:39.41 | Silvia | i need to use a bridge as the vm qemu was a server in inet |
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| 07:41.16 | DragoraN | hi |
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| 07:41.24 | DragoraN | how can i create looback interface on linux? |
| 07:41.52 | cahoot | you ean it's not there already? |
| 07:42.00 | cahoot | s/ean/mean/ |
| 07:42.17 | DragoraN | it is, i want another.. |
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| 07:47.19 | cahoot | DragoraN: does this describe your problem? http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/19/155 |
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| 07:47.46 | DragoraN | no no, i mean like interface in ifconfig "lo" |
| 07:47.53 | DragoraN | i want "lo1" |
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| 07:48.24 | DragoraN | got it |
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| 07:49.54 | DragoraN | aha, tak nemam :( |
| 07:50.00 | simonko19 | hi all.. is there any packet manager on debian like yum on fedora? |
| 07:50.02 | DragoraN | havent got :( |
| 07:50.27 | DragoraN | simonko19: u mean package, not packet :) try "apt-get" |
| 07:50.29 | Lukemob | DragoraN, ur from sk? |
| 07:50.32 | cahoot | simonko19: heard of apt? |
| 07:50.37 | simonko19 | ok |
| 07:50.40 | simonko19 | and last question |
| 07:50.43 | simonko19 | how can i start a service? |
| 07:50.44 | DragoraN | Lukemob: yes :) |
| 07:51.03 | simonko19 | for example if i want to start appache or mysql |
| 07:51.11 | DragoraN | simonko19: /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 07:51.13 | Lukemob | DragoraN, well, am from cz :) |
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| 07:51.20 | DragoraN | Lukemob: cool :) |
| 07:51.22 | simonko19 | aha ok thanks |
| 07:51.26 | cahoot | simonko19: you want to read the Debian Reference |
| 07:51.57 | simonko19 | no i dont like reading |
| 07:52.11 | cahoot | HAND |
| 07:53.49 | Lukemob | simonko19, then don't ask |
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| 07:56.20 | DragoraN | so is there a way to create looback interface? |
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| 07:57.06 | DragoraN | now i found it, it is called dummy interface (dummy0 ... ) |
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| 07:59.29 | Supaplex | DragoraN: yes, man 5 interfaces. do you need more than one? (and why?) |
| 08:00.02 | DragoraN | Supaplex: iam configurting openvpn and i want to test it on some dummy |
| 08:00.27 | Supaplex | then loopback isn't what you're looking for. :) |
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| 08:02.44 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 08:02.57 | Ace2016 | i don't have an internet connection in debian at the moment |
| 08:03.08 | Supaplex | and? |
| 08:03.10 | Ace2016 | if i download the latest kernel and install it would it wrok? |
| 08:03.20 | Ace2016 | wait |
| 08:03.32 | Supaplex | apt-zip comes to mind. |
| 08:03.43 | Ace2016 | my network card is not detected properly and switches to a random mac and so the internet authentification does not wrok |
| 08:03.45 | Ace2016 | work* |
| 08:04.11 | Ace2016 | any way i can download what apt-get needs to update from inside vista? |
| 08:04.20 | Supaplex | !apt-zip |
| 08:04.20 | dpkg | i heard apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 08:04.39 | Supaplex | maybe.... |
| 08:04.44 | Ace2016 | but can i use it from vista? |
| 08:05.11 | Supaplex | I don't know. someone else implied it might |
| 08:09.07 | simonko19 | when i do |
| 08:09.14 | simonko19 | etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 08:09.15 | simonko19 | i get |
| 08:09.17 | simonko19 | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 08:09.17 | simonko19 | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 08:09.28 | simonko19 | can anyone help me? |
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| 08:10.58 | jair | Hello guys. I want to install debian in 40 IBM ThinkCentre desktops, smae hardware identical all of them except the mac addresses of course |
| 08:11.27 | jair | what do you guys recommend me? I try ghost 8.2 and I keep getting a weird error about "inconsistency" |
| 08:11.39 | jair | I try ghost with windows and it works |
| 08:11.58 | Supaplex | !fai |
| 08:11.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 08:12.24 | jair | but with debian keeps giving me that error there is a solution out there that we can use to weekly image this desktops with debian etc? |
| 08:12.50 | Supaplex | "that error"? you said ghost gave you an inconsistency error. |
| 08:12.57 | jair | yes |
| 08:13.12 | Supaplex | we are confused. explain. |
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| 08:13.31 | Ace2016 | my mac address keeps changing every time i reboot :( (not rebooting i not an option) |
| 08:13.35 | Supaplex | was it ghost? or debian? (be specific), and what's the exact error message? |
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| 08:13.44 | jair | when i ghost a image from a windows ntfs xp it works with ghost, I am using version 8.2 |
| 08:13.51 | Ace2016 | you know like norton ghost |
| 08:14.15 | Supaplex | no I don't know. norton is 3rd party anyway (unsupported here). |
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| 08:14.47 | jair | I make the image using the same procedure for debian linux using simple partitioning ext3 and back up good but the restore give me an error "Inconsistency Internal Error" |
| 08:14.56 | Ace2016 | well you could tell him how to mirror a hard disk over a netwrok |
| 08:15.07 | Ace2016 | using multicast i'm guessing |
| 08:15.34 | jair | Supaplex: right that is ok I am not expecting troubleshoot ghost or anything, i do not care about it, i am looking for a Linux solution I can use to accomplish what ghost does. |
| 08:15.38 | Supaplex | if you can't get ghost running (or don't have their support), I suggest "FAI" |
| 08:15.53 | Supaplex | if you're installing debian anyway. |
| 08:16.01 | jair | yes |
| 08:16.03 | jair | debian |
| 08:16.25 | Supaplex | you could even setup a squid server to cache all the repo traffic/downloads (be sure to up your max object size) |
| 08:17.51 | jair | Supaplex: interesting |
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| 08:19.27 | jair | I think I will go with FAI :) |
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| 08:19.39 | jair | I am reading it and sounds like accomplish what i need |
| 08:19.48 | jair | and it is flexible ;0 |
| 08:19.49 | jair | :) |
| 08:20.31 | Supaplex | Ace2016: in /etc/udev/rules.d/, rm z45_persistent-net-generator.rules (it's a symlink) and z25_persistent-net.rules (it was autogenerated). man 5 interfaces, see 'hwaddress class address' eg, hwaddress ether mac:mac:mac:mac:mac:mac |
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| 08:21.33 | Supaplex | Ace2016: when you're done, run /etc/init.d/networking stop ; /etc/init.d/networking start (some services may need to rebind, like samba?, restart it if you have trouble with it afterwards) |
| 08:21.41 | troubled | Supaplex: thanks, now im hungry for a Big Mac :) |
| 08:22.15 | Ace2016 | i did that, but my mac address is the thing causing the problem, i changed the mac in my interfaces file, but then the netwrok wroks for 5 seconds and fails |
| 08:22.18 | Supaplex | troubled: edit your interfaces file to, just use UPPERCASE, and it'll be a BIGMAC to. ;) |
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| 08:22.25 | troubled | :) |
| 08:22.59 | Supaplex | Ace2016: are you using bridging to? or just primary wireless? |
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| 08:23.51 | Ace2016 | whats bridging? its not wireless, its a wired lan |
| 08:24.03 | Supaplex | ah ok. nm |
| 08:24.16 | Supaplex | what driver are you using? |
| 08:25.01 | Ace2016 | unsure, its an nvidia board in the laptop |
| 08:25.25 | Supaplex | bummer |
| 08:25.42 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 08:26.08 | Supaplex | your experience suggests the hardware is awry |
| 08:26.25 | Supaplex | eg, unreliable |
| 08:26.58 | Ace2016 | and also my second empty 120 gb hard disk isn't detected by debian, only vista, so i had to shrink vista down, not what i wanted to do when i got this |
| 08:27.44 | Supaplex | what kernel are you using? uname -r |
| 08:28.10 | Ace2016 | the standard one that comes with etch 4.0 r1 |
| 08:28.18 | Ace2016 | 2.6.18 |
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| 08:28.39 | Supaplex | !tell Ace2016 -about kp |
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| 08:28.53 | Ace2016 | i'm going to try and burn a netinstall cd to a dvd and hopefully that might detect the hardware |
| 08:29.20 | Supaplex | I'd grab a kernel.org tarball of the current 2.6 release and try a newer kernel. chances are the kernel you're using is slightly older than the hardware you're trying to use. |
| 08:29.22 | Ace2016 | i can't apt-get build essential since i don't have any internet connection |
| 08:29.33 | Ace2016 | thats what i was thinking |
| 08:29.44 | Supaplex | yea, it complicates things. |
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| 08:30.07 | Supaplex | does your network card/bios support pxe? |
| 08:30.20 | Supaplex | I wonder if anyone has written a pxe nic driver |
| 08:30.33 | Ace2016 | pxe? not my netwrok, its the uni netwrok |
| 08:30.46 | Supaplex | I know |
| 08:31.04 | Supaplex | but pxe is a generic driver api |
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| 08:31.27 | Ace2016 | no idea, its an hp pavillion dv9562ev |
| 08:31.40 | Supaplex | eg, even pxegrub can talk to your nic regardless of what hardware it is (provided it's offering pxe support) |
| 08:31.53 | Ace2016 | that would be nice |
| 08:31.59 | Ace2016 | how do i try to use that? |
| 08:32.14 | roxy_ | how can I know the total size of a directory ? (including subdir and files ) |
| 08:32.15 | Supaplex | I don't know. it's just a thought. maybe there's a pxe kernel driver |
| 08:32.21 | Supaplex | roxy_: du |
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| 08:33.17 | roxy_ | Supaplex: no, it gives the size of each subdir. I want the total size. I can't find an option that would do it. |
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| 08:33.42 | Ace2016 | well go one dir up and run it |
| 08:33.51 | Supaplex | roxy_: du -s |
| 08:34.44 | roxy_ | Supaplex: nice ,thanks |
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| 08:36.37 | Supaplex | Ace2016: ofct (irc.debian.org) has #debian-boot for advanced d-i issues like yours. |
| 08:37.00 | Ace2016 | d-i? |
| 08:37.39 | Supaplex | !d-i |
| 08:37.39 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 08:42.06 | Ace2016 | ok thanks, i'm off, first to try and install the new kernel using debs i downloaded, second to try the netinstaller |
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| 08:46.30 | ^Timo^ | Morning fellows |
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| 08:47.05 | Supaplex | greets |
| 08:47.33 | ^Timo^ | i have question thats totaly not related with the os debian but. i am desperad searching for a divx webstream webpage where i can upload my movies. |
| 08:47.57 | ^Timo^ | i am using stage6dotcom at the moment |
| 08:48.17 | Hoxzer | Ohhoh :O |
| 08:48.25 | Hoxzer | is it fast ? |
| 08:48.28 | ^Timo^ | but they have some restrictions that i can't upload pr0n |
| 08:48.44 | ^Timo^ | i want to share pr0n :P |
| 08:48.56 | ^Timo^ | on divx webstreams |
| 08:49.00 | Hoxzer | lol |
| 08:49.06 | streuner | !nickometer ^Timo^ |
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| 08:49.08 | dpkg | '^Timo^' is 26.000% lame, streuner |
| 08:49.16 | ^Timo^ | oh thnx. |
| 08:49.33 | Hoxzer | ^Timo^: Can you please inform me when you get em uploaded ok ? |
| 08:49.34 | ^Timo^ | but anyone knows some pages ? |
| 08:49.47 | Hoxzer | yeah |
| 08:49.51 | Hoxzer | I'm thinking |
| 08:50.37 | tt | If I'm switching from wep to wpa, is there anything else I should do then editing my /etc/network/interfaces ? Before etch I know there was som editing in wpasupplicant but now it is integrated in interfaces? |
| 08:51.04 | DustyBin | i deleted my apache2 access.log by mistake and i recreated one with the exact permissions using touch, but apache2 doesnt seem to write to it? |
| 08:51.15 | ^Timo^ | great Hoxzer :) |
| 08:51.24 | cahoot | tt: I'm pretty sure you have to adjust wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 08:51.53 | ^Timo^ | stage6dotcom workz but the remove my pr0n cause the movie ;( |
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| 08:52.07 | Hoxzer | ^Timo^: http://www.pornotube.com any good ? |
| 08:52.14 | Hoxzer | :P lol, hoepfully I dont kicked |
| 08:52.17 | ^Timo^ | lets take a look |
| 08:52.31 | Hoxzer | That's only one I know |
| 08:52.51 | tt | Hmm cahoot: The thing is when I have been reading around I've gotten very mixed information. Some say I need to edit it and some don't. What seems to be the case is that wpa_supplicant doesnt exit on my computer. |
| 08:53.15 | ^Timo^ | ok thnx. |
| 08:53.24 | ^Timo^ | i think its not divx... |
| 08:53.41 | yang | From what I am seeing in dmesg I do have a second hard drive /dev/sdb which I could format and use ? http://openpaste.org/en/3395/ |
| 08:54.05 | cahoot | tt: ok - I'm just speaking from my limited experience - used to use network-manager but changed to wpa_supplicant - seems faster and more reliable |
| 08:54.34 | tt | cahoot: Whats the default location of wpa_supplicant.conf? |
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| 08:55.29 | cahoot | tt: you can decide - you just point wpa_supplicant to the file in question (mine is /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf) |
| 08:55.45 | Hoxzer | ^Timo^: yeah, I think so too :( |
| 08:55.46 | tt | hmm okay. I better do some reading. |
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| 09:05.27 | ^Timo^ | Hoxzer : in a short time i have puhblished Control 4 on stage.com |
| 09:05.28 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 09:05.38 | ^Timo^ | hope it will stay there for a while ;p |
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| 09:09.37 | ^Timo^ | correction stage6.com * |
| 09:09.39 | ^Timo^ | ;p |
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| 09:14.56 | AbsintheSyringe | dd is not doing anything, if=debian-live-etch-i386-xfce-desktop.img of=/dev/sdb1, same with /dev/sdc (as dmesg sees it) any ideas? |
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| 09:16.50 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: what's that command supposed to do? |
| 09:17.09 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: what's the point of overwriting a partition with an image of a livecd? |
| 09:17.45 | petemc | i would imagine its a usb stick.. |
| 09:17.52 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, I'm trying to put debian live on my usb stick, and that's how I figured I should o aslo same thing according to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 09:18.17 | AbsintheSyringe | petemc, yep |
| 09:19.00 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: why would it not do anything? |
| 09:19.30 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: i.e. what leads you to the conclusion that it does nothing? |
| 09:19.44 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, nothing happens, I get no output after I hit it, and I dont see anything on my stick |
| 09:19.53 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, no output lead me to that conclusion |
| 09:20.04 | alexbodn | hi all. i have upgraded a machine from 2.6.18 to 22 debian official kernels but it fails to load the nvidia module. should i do any special configureation change? |
| 09:20.42 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: my dd gives a report on how fast it wrote |
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| 09:20.48 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: surely yours does too |
| 09:21.32 | cahoot | alexbodn: there is/was a problem with debian kernels > 2.6.20 and nivida related to paravirt |
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| 09:21.59 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, hm this was weird, opened new console tab and I got something :) |
| 09:22.16 | AbsintheSyringe | http://rafb.net/p/wWMlOm66.html |
| 09:22.39 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, awesome it's there ... sorry about trouble about nothing :) |
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| 09:26.12 | alexbodn | cahoot: i have no paravirt, just plain stand alone machine |
| 09:26.44 | cahoot | alexbodn: IIRC the kernel has |
| 09:27.06 | alexbodn | cahoot: how can i test that? |
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| 09:27.27 | alexbodn | modprobe nvidia? |
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| 09:27.45 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:28.00 | DragoraN | i have debian router and i want just to forward all multicast traffic to specific interface from eth0 to tun0, how can i simply do that? |
| 09:28.17 | ivh | hi, anybody willing to give me a hand in configuring a multi-button mouse for X? |
| 09:28.58 | ivh | I think I set the xorg.conf option "Buttons" to the right number already and I've read "man mousedrv" :) |
| 09:29.06 | alexbodn | cahoot: it's there. any solution? |
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| 09:30.37 | cahoot | alexbodn: there is - but I have to point you to google |
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| 09:31.14 | alexbodn | cahoot: thanks a lot :) . going there |
| 09:31.18 | chowmeined | is debian's selinux strict policy broken? |
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| 09:32.42 | yang | how can i change default directory of the shell user? |
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| 09:32.55 | cahoot | alexbodn: actually I thing the debian wiki re nvidia has the link |
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| 09:33.29 | alexbodn | i'm there: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, thanks |
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| 09:34.07 | aleksanteri | what debian package provides the GTK+ development files? i've been searching them for a few hours, installed all packages i could but i still can't compile a package that uses GTK+ |
| 09:36.02 | chowmeined | aleksanteri: libgtk+-2.0-dev ? |
| 09:36.23 | aleksanteri | not found |
| 09:36.34 | chowmeined | aleksanteri: oops one too many dashes.. libgtk+2.0-dev |
| 09:36.49 | aleksanteri | not found |
| 09:37.07 | chowmeined | well thats it |
| 09:37.25 | aleksanteri | hmm |
| 09:37.38 | chowmeined | so something else must be wrong.. thats the package |
| 09:38.19 | aleksanteri | weird |
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| 09:39.47 | aleksanteri | http://pastebin.ca/727730 |
| 09:39.49 | Sitowlan | aleksanteri, libgtk2.0-dev |
| 09:39.52 | aleksanteri | hmm |
| 09:40.05 | aleksanteri | broken dependencies |
| 09:40.58 | streuner | aleksanteri: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:41.11 | aleksanteri | ii libc6 2.6.1-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:41.24 | streuner | Isnt that sid? |
| 09:41.38 | aleksanteri | o_O |
| 09:41.39 | streuner | !info libc6 lenny |
| 09:41.42 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 09:41.49 | streuner | yeah, it is :-) |
| 09:41.58 | aleksanteri | now something is weird |
| 09:42.23 | chowmeined | is selinux broken in etch? |
| 09:42.35 | Sitowlan | aleksanteri, aptitude install -f |
| 09:42.48 | aleksanteri | does nothing |
| 09:42.53 | streuner | with that sources.list it wouldnt help much |
| 09:43.00 | streuner | re-install |
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| 09:43.11 | aleksanteri | streuner: might be somehow related to the little mix-up with sid and etch in the repositories |
| 09:43.30 | streuner | nah |
| 09:43.37 | streuner | You are running unstable/sid atm |
| 09:43.55 | aleksanteri | i once put sid into my /etc/apt/sources.list, then upgraded some packages and put it back |
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| 09:44.21 | streuner | well, its too late now to change that back |
| 09:44.25 | aleksanteri | yeah |
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| 09:44.45 | aleksanteri | i guess i'll put /etc/apt/sources.list to use sid and update.. |
| 09:45.06 | streuner | !tell aleksanteri about sid faq |
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| 09:45.57 | Ind[y] | How can I view ASCII characters with gedit? (I mean characters with ordinal numbers like 128, 129, etc). |
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| 09:46.42 | Ind[y] | I see boxes with numbers instead of characters. |
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| 09:47.41 | aleksanteri | hmm |
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| 09:50.51 | Lon | hi there :) |
| 09:51.46 | Lon | someone here who can help me with java + debian? im a newbe |
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| 09:52.00 | aleksanteri | if there's no way to get back from sid to etch then i guess there's no other way :/ |
| 09:52.34 | streuner | aleksanteri: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 09:53.01 | aleksanteri | yeahi know that way |
| 09:53.07 | aleksanteri | but that'll take forever.. |
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| 09:53.56 | Lon | spricht jemand deutsch? :) |
| 09:54.05 | streuner | !de |
| 09:54.05 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 09:54.21 | Lon | danke |
| 09:54.41 | tweakism | I want to run stable, but be able to install selectively from testing and unstable. and without automatically upgrading to lenny when it becomes stable. I take it my /etc/apt/preferences is invalid? (specifically, the a= parts). I get no install cantidate for all packages. http://dpaste.com/21632/ |
| 09:55.03 | streuner | dont use pinning |
| 09:55.19 | tweakism | streuner: apparently Default-Release breaks for more than 2 releases. |
| 09:55.24 | streuner | just use backports and "simple sid backports" (/msg dpkg simple sid backports) |
| 09:55.35 | tweakism | I can do without unstable for now I guess. |
| 09:55.46 | streuner | pinning is a wonderful idea, but in reality it often sucks |
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| 09:58.03 | Hider | Hello folks, |
| 09:58.24 | Hider | I have a problem in port forwarding in ssh |
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| 09:58.56 | Hider | I run a debian development server and a solaris db server (mysql) |
| 09:59.21 | Hider | my testing mysql is running on port 1500 at solaris box |
| 09:59.50 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, hm I got a new "setting" for this whole issue, this stick is very weird, now when I plug it in I dont see /dev/usb1 (the one I transfered .img to) but it still boots (/dev/sdc) which is 1.4mb large and have no idea what it's used for, it always booted this way, ~512mb one (which i put debian on) and this ~1.5mb one ... how do I solve that one |
| 10:00.10 | Hider | I want to forward 1500th of solaris box to my debian box' 9999th porth |
| 10:00.39 | Hider | I issue the command from debian box "ssh -L 9999:localhost:1500 solarisbox" |
| 10:00.54 | Hider | however I can't get it work |
| 10:01.17 | ivh | Hider: "ssh -R 9999:localhost:1500 debian" from the solaris box |
| 10:01.36 | Hider | ok trying it |
| 10:01.51 | ivh | remember that port 9999 will only be available locally on the debian box |
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| 10:02.27 | Hider | aha, how can it be available for outreach? |
| 10:02.37 | ivh | if you want other machines to access debianbox:9999 you must have -g as well (afair) |
| 10:02.51 | ivh | alternatively there is an option in the sshd.conf |
| 10:03.08 | Hider | thanks I'll look at it |
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| 10:06.17 | Hider | connect_to 127.0.0.1 port 1500: Connection refused |
| 10:06.18 | Hider | connect_to ::1 port 1500: Network is unreachable |
| 10:06.19 | Hider | connect_to localhost port 1500: failed. |
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| 10:08.38 | Vasistha | hey all. Can the etch/4.0 net install cd be used as a rescue disk? The rescue utility I need is grub-install |
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| 10:10.09 | chowmeined | Could someone explain why restorecon and fixfiles doesnt work? I am trying to fix /dev its not labeled properly but no matter what I do it wont use the correct selinux labels |
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| 10:12.19 | EvilGuru | My server is set-up as a mail server with users mapping to e-mail accounts. Since out of the 4 users only one account (my own) uses/requires a shell how can I remove the other users shells (so they can not log in over ssh)? |
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| 10:13.57 | Haris | Hello people |
| 10:14.05 | chowmeined | you can set their shell to /bin/false |
| 10:14.10 | Haris | I just installed etch on a VM and forgot the root password |
| 10:14.11 | chowmeined | or disable their accounts? |
| 10:14.16 | Haris | How do I get it? |
| 10:14.25 | Haris | back |
| 10:14.29 | EvilGuru | chowmeined: I am not sure if services like exim require a valid shell for a user |
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| 10:16.26 | Haris | I have etch dvd1 |
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| 10:19.56 | Haris | How can I get out of the X? |
| 10:20.14 | Haris | I tried Ctrl+Alt+Backspace but when I pressed Enter a few times, it returned me back into it |
| 10:21.12 | roxy_ | Haris: try going fro Ctrl+Alt+F1->7 |
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| 10:21.30 | AbsintheSyringe | or ctrl + f1 while in kdm/gdm whatever |
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| 10:22.13 | Haris | when we first install etch, it takes us into GUI |
| 10:22.22 | AbsintheSyringe | Haris, ctrl + f1 |
| 10:22.24 | Haris | There, it doesn't allow us to login as root out of the box, right? |
| 10:22.37 | AbsintheSyringe | Haris, yea ... |
| 10:22.41 | AbsintheSyringe | kinda |
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| 10:23.34 | Jason_ | how do I reboot into single user mode? |
| 10:24.07 | Haris | How would I recover a password if I forgot it? |
| 10:24.11 | roxy_ | Jason_: you have the option when booting |
| 10:24.21 | Haris | boot into the single user mode with etch and do it? |
| 10:24.22 | AbsintheSyringe | Haris, you boot in single user mode |
| 10:24.26 | Haris | right! |
| 10:24.42 | Jason_ | is there a command I can use to reboot into it without selecting at boot time? |
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| 10:25.21 | roxy_ | Jason_: have a look at /etc/initab |
| 10:25.39 | roxy_ | sorry inittab |
| 10:26.17 | esters | folks, i'm running Debian etch and somehow fc-cache refuses to work : http://pastebin.se/40436 |
| 10:26.43 | Haris | guys, whatis rtsp used for? any known applications? |
| 10:26.51 | Haris | voip? audio streaming? |
| 10:28.05 | Haris | Ok, it wants root password for maintainance in single user mode. I don't remmeber it |
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| 10:28.15 | Haris | Anyway I can reset the root password and get the system back |
| 10:28.16 | Haris | ? |
| 10:28.46 | mike1o | how do I get the kernel sources? |
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| 10:28.49 | roxy_ | Haris: do you have a live CD ? |
| 10:28.58 | Haris | lol |
| 10:29.02 | Haris | root password was debian4 |
| 10:29.07 | Haris | now! I have access |
| 10:29.13 | roxy_ | strong security :-) |
| 10:29.33 | esters | mike1o: apt-get install linux-source`uname -r` |
| 10:29.39 | Haris | does debian have something like fbsd's toor in case someone forget's root's password? |
| 10:29.43 | esters | anyone ? |
| 10:30.10 | Haris | esters: At times like these 'Patience if virtue' |
| 10:30.18 | chowmeined | who needs strong security when you have windows |
| 10:30.21 | esters | yep |
| 10:30.32 | chowmeined | to distract everyone from your linux machines |
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| 10:31.58 | mike1o | esters, I had that package installed... but when compiling kernel drivers they did not detected my the sources... and in particular found no "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/source/" dir... |
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| 10:33.19 | Esaj | I need to forward all connections to 3 IP addresses to 3 new ones on a different server, how do I go about doing that? |
| 10:34.11 | mike1o | another question... I have an IDE HD available... if I install windows (for testing pruposes only) will that delete my MBR in my sata2 HD? |
| 10:34.19 | esters | sweet fixed the fc-cache problem |
| 10:34.41 | esters | mike1o: sources are in /usr/src |
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| 10:35.19 | mike1o | that's what I though also.... esteel |
| 10:35.28 | mike1o | I mean esters |
| 10:36.24 | esters | aha |
| 10:37.28 | ma3x | is there any other tool than dvgrab to capture video from camcorder? |
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| 10:54.06 | Haris | default runlevel is 3 |
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| 10:55.00 | Haris | why do I update in X then? |
| 10:55.05 | Haris | update = end up |
| 10:55.22 | Haris | Isn't runlevel 3 for multi-user cli bootup? |
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| 10:55.56 | cahoot | 2 in debian |
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| 10:59.39 | Haris | I see |
| 10:59.56 | xingu | !sidsmite me |
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| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'areca.ko' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.20 | n_np | im installing debian- like a realman |
| 11:06.49 | tomacco | good work |
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| 11:18.53 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 11:19.28 | yassine | how can i set my gnome under debian lenny to support differnt languages (a language per user's session)? |
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| 11:19.43 | et | hi. I'm puzzled because when i use the alsa packages from the debian repos (lenny), my soundcard (intel hda in a santa rosa notebook) does not work. when i fetch the same version from the alsa webpage and just do a ./configure && make && make install, it works afterwards. what could make the difference? i'd prefer not to use hand-installed drivers (annoying on kernel updates) |
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| 11:24.48 | Haris | lenny has been released? |
| 11:24.50 | cahoot | et: really same alsa version? |
| 11:25.39 | et | aptitude show says so |
| 11:26.11 | cahoot | et: intriguing |
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| 11:27.12 | GuHHH | !paste |
| 11:27.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 11:29.12 | GuHHH | can anyone help me? i can't unzip a file: http://paste.debian.net/38933 |
| 11:29.35 | n_np | well deb just fried out an ancient graphics card of mine- well done |
| 11:29.50 | `7 | My /etc/network/interfaces file is pasted at http://rafb.net/p/fH2H2W12.html. However, at every boot, I have to manually issue `iwconfig eth1 essid WL500gP` in order for the authentication with the router to take place. I have a broadcom wireless card which I've gotten to work via bcm43xx-fwcutter. Any ideas where the problem lies? |
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| 11:30.48 | n_np | `7, well you have to authenticate with the router because its probably got some security settings so that not just everyone can sign in to it |
| 11:31.05 | `7 | GuHHH: it's telling you right there. what does `file <zip_file>` say? |
| 11:31.08 | academy | I'm having an issue with iptables. If I download directly onto my gw, I get 2.2MB/s. If I download onto me desktop via a proxy on the gw I get 2.2MB/s yet if I download onto the desktop through SNAT, I only get 500Kb/s. Does anyone know why this might be? |
| 11:31.43 | `7 | n_np: yes.. I've set those "security settings myself". the problem is, why do I still have to manually set the essid when it is already specified in `ineterfaces` |
| 11:32.13 | n_np | its a bug i guess |
| 11:32.18 | GuHHH | `7: uphuck_10.4.9_v1.4i_r3.iso.zip: data |
| 11:32.20 | n_np | maybe its not reading your /etc/network/interfaces flie |
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| 11:32.36 | n_np | are your read/write permissions on that file correct? |
| 11:33.12 | yang | I got problem with my keyboard it repeats letters for me, while the buffer is busy (when I burn DVD's)...how could I solve it? |
| 11:33.32 | `7 | It *is* getting read. Like I've said, everything is fine and dandy except that I have to manually issue `iwconfig eth1 essid WL500gP` on every boot. Once I ussue that command, everything works fine. |
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| 11:36.22 | valdyn | GuHHH: its probably a straight iso |
| 11:36.31 | valdyn | GuHHH: how would you know that its really a zip file? |
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| 11:37.04 | GuHHH | well, i tried use it as a iso, but it says thats not a iso9660 file |
| 11:37.17 | valdyn | GuHHH: who is 'IT' ? |
| 11:37.18 | jaalto | any screen(1) experts that understand 'hardstatus' attribute? |
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| 11:38.11 | valdyn | yang: users can pick their language in gdm when they log in |
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| 11:38.22 | valdyn | yang: i thought at least, lemme see |
| 11:38.31 | GuHHH | valdyn: the file... |
| 11:38.45 | valdyn | GuHHH: what sais that it is not an iso? |
| 11:38.47 | yang | valdyn: it repeats letters like -> liiiiiiiiiiike |
| 11:38.54 | GuHHH | valdyn: k3b |
| 11:39.37 | valdyn | GuHHH: run 'mount -o loop uphuck_10.4.9_v1.4i_r3.iso.zip /mnt', and see |
| 11:39.58 | valdyn | yang: i dont understand |
| 11:39.59 | Supaplex | file -sk |
| 11:40.07 | GuHHH | valdyn: wont it ask for fs? |
| 11:40.17 | valdyn | GuHHH: why don't you try |
| 11:40.24 | yang | valdyn: when the buffer is busy, i cannot write normally, the computer repeats letters |
| 11:40.25 | Supaplex | no filesystem implies auto=/proc/filesystems |
| 11:41.01 | valdyn | yang: oh sorry, wrong nick.. |
| 11:41.19 | valdyn | yassine: users can pick their language in gdm when they log in , cant they? |
| 11:41.31 | GuHHH | valdyn: yeah, i need the fs type |
| 11:41.35 | Hoxzer | Hello guys. Is there any media player that is capable of playing .gif with XV ? |
| 11:41.57 | valdyn | GuHHH: redownload that file or verify that its correct |
| 11:42.16 | valdyn | Hoxzer: your webbrowser |
| 11:42.23 | valdyn | Hoxzer: without X |
| 11:42.29 | valdyn | Hoxzer: what's the point? |
| 11:42.45 | valdyn | Hoxzer: without XV even |
| 11:43.14 | Hoxzer | valdyn: I need to see color bars in XV |
| 11:43.19 | Hoxzer | valdyn: :D |
| 11:43.25 | yassine | valdyn: i only habe default language there (that can be selected) |
| 11:43.32 | GuHHH | valdyn: well, just checked with ktorrent, it says all chunks are okay :( |
| 11:43.40 | rmaj | what jabber server (hosting) is good? |
| 11:43.46 | valdyn | yassine: you need to generate locales for the languages you want to be supported |
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| 11:44.24 | valdyn | yassine: either 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' or aptitude install locales-all ( that package probably doesn't exist on etch though so is not an option there ) |
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| 11:44.52 | valdyn | GuHHH: what does that file contain supposedly? |
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| 11:45.28 | GuHHH | valdyn: mac os X hehe |
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| 11:45.33 | theclaw | hello |
| 11:45.51 | valdyn | GuHHH: so its not an iso fs..probably |
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| 11:46.24 | GuHHH | valdyn: what can it be? |
| 11:46.25 | valdyn | GuHHH: i don't know which format OSX uses for its install cd / dvd |
| 11:46.48 | valdyn | GuHHH: you could try mount -o loop -t udf file /mnt |
| 11:48.35 | GuHHH | valdyn: ok, i will try |
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| 11:49.49 | DragoraN | dows anyone use igmpproxy? |
| 11:49.58 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 11:49.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 11:50.30 | valdyn | !an!anyone |
| 11:50.33 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 11:50.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:03.01 | behrad | I want password manager with user managment. |
| 12:03.35 | dererk | for what ? |
| 12:03.53 | abrotman | manage passwords |
| 12:04.00 | dererk | hehehe |
| 12:04.05 | behrad | derek, we have large network with many device |
| 12:04.14 | dererk | I meant for which desktop |
| 12:04.21 | dererk | Kde has one, so does Gnome |
| 12:04.37 | behrad | if have web interface is better |
| 12:04.48 | behrad | i wan i have access in whole network |
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| 12:05.55 | smhar | ! |
| 12:05.57 | abrotman | freshmeat.net |
| 12:06.02 | smhar | !ati |
| 12:06.02 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 12:07.24 | behrad | dererk: I want access in all desktop win or lin |
| 12:07.42 | dererk | behrad, Sorry, I don't know any |
| 12:08.43 | abrotman | behrad: freshmeat.net |
| 12:08.47 | abrotman | smhar: msg the bot please |
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| 12:09.28 | behrad | abrotman: is "password manager" good key for search ? |
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| 12:10.48 | yassine | valdyn: i installed my required locales but when i change the language before log in i get an error message claiming this locales are not found ( i restarted gdm, but not the system do i need to reboot?) |
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| 12:15.51 | geo-rge | behrad: ideas about search keys can best be gained by performing the search |
| 12:16.36 | smhar | what is the open source ati drive? |
| 12:16.53 | abrotman | behrad: dunno .. try it |
| 12:17.04 | abrotman | smhar: radeon |
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| 12:18.50 | smhar | abrotman, yes, radeon x 1200 |
| 12:19.20 | abrotman | that wasn't a question |
| 12:20.35 | yassine | do i have to reboot in order to get locales installed reconized by gnome(gdm ? |
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| 12:21.11 | abrotman | at least restart gdm |
| 12:21.14 | ktwilight | yassine, chances are no. but restarting X wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 12:22.21 | yassine | ktwilight: i already tried that but for some unknown reason they (locales) are displayed at login under session's language but are not found when selected while logging in |
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| 12:24.46 | smhar | abrotman, I tried the fglrx one-liner, is it the one? I got the following error: http://paste.debian.net/38941 |
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| 12:26.01 | abrotman | smhar: doesn't make sense to me |
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| 12:26.13 | n_np | ok got the graphics card working again |
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| 12:32.15 | zouichi | hello guys. i'm a new debia user and have just finished my first net-install. i chose "System" packages only but still do want an X (xorg) server with blackbox or smth else. well, what packages do I have to install in order to get xorg server up and running? thanks. |
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| 12:33.13 | alexbodn | bye all. thanks |
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| 12:34.22 | shamrock | has anyone succesfully compiled the latest nvidia drivers for the 2.6.22-2 kernel? kbuild errors? |
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| 12:36.51 | abrotman | zouichi: aptitude install xorg blackbox ... and xdm if you want a GUI login |
| 12:37.00 | rmaj | does Debian plan to one day be more up to date? |
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| 12:37.12 | abrotman | rmaj: this is a support channel |
| 12:37.32 | rmaj | abrotman: cool... and? |
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| 12:37.52 | abrotman | rmaj: does it really matter? |
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| 12:38.17 | rmaj | well it matters for me, may bugs I encounter are fixed in versions too new to be in debian apparently |
| 12:38.21 | rmaj | * many |
| 12:38.23 | abrotman | rmaj: if debian doesn't suit your needs .. use another OS |
| 12:38.32 | Supaplex | like DOS! |
| 12:38.49 | rmaj | well it was my question, can I use more uptodate software on debian somehow |
| 12:38.59 | abrotman | sure .. /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:39.02 | zouichi | abrotman: will aptitude get and install all of the input/output drivers packages or just some of them in that case? |
| 12:39.04 | Supaplex | old-old-old-old-freakislyold-stable has dos packages :) |
| 12:39.04 | abrotman | you're on your own for security though |
| 12:39.05 | rmaj | Supaplex: freedos32 ftw |
| 12:39.11 | Supaplex | heck yeaw |
| 12:39.18 | abrotman | zouichi: it should |
| 12:39.27 | zouichi | so all of them.. |
| 12:39.42 | abrotman | it will tell you what it's going to install |
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| 12:40.07 | Pnano | join #emacs |
| 12:40.14 | Supaplex | Pnano: traitor! |
| 12:40.21 | n_np_ | traitor! |
| 12:40.25 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 12:40.36 | zouichi | abrotman: will it be safe if I just pick up packages manually and install them using 'apt-get install'? |
| 12:40.37 | SpeedyG | >:] |
| 12:40.44 | n_np_ | lol |
| 12:40.54 | abrotman | zouichi: you can install them how you want .. aptitude is recommended |
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| 12:41.02 | n_np_ | THONK |
| 12:41.10 | zouichi | abrotman: i see. thank you. |
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| 12:42.07 | Pnano | lol |
| 12:42.08 | Pnano | miss / |
| 12:42.24 | SpeedyG | thanks :) |
| 12:42.46 | n_np_ | im busy doing the debian erase disk thinga on my other pc |
| 12:42.55 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: repeat after me, ahhhhh... there's no place like /usr/bin/vim ... there's no place like .. |
| 12:42.56 | n_np_ | gunna start a small repo fer me |
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| 12:43.01 | n_np_ | lol |
| 12:43.11 | n_np_ | in dos i used to use copy con |
| 12:43.20 | Supaplex | cat -- > foo |
| 12:43.26 | n_np_ | hehe |
| 12:43.34 | Supaplex | ^D == EOF |
| 12:43.35 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: i'm getting quite used to nano thanks to my Change&Release management course at school |
| 12:43.55 | abrotman | nano? |
| 12:44.05 | SpeedyG | oh, and atm i'd rather have some C8H10N4O2 administered instead of O2 |
| 12:44.05 | n_np_ | i really wanne learn to use vim |
| 12:44.06 | Supaplex | abrotman: yea, the "UnderPowered Editor" |
| 12:44.10 | n_np_ | i forgot all the moves |
| 12:44.12 | abrotman | i know what nano is |
| 12:44.23 | n_np_ | what is nano? |
| 12:44.30 | Supaplex | the "UnderPowered Editor" |
| 12:44.35 | n_np_ | lol |
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| 12:44.42 | Grey_ | Nano is fine |
| 12:44.48 | Grey_ | It "just works" |
| 12:44.53 | SpeedyG | nano comes by default on debian |
| 12:44.58 | n_np_ | unlike this vista installation :/ |
| 12:45.03 | h3sp4wn | They are not on the same level vim and emacs |
| 12:45.06 | Grey_ | and you need not memorise 900 8 key keypresses |
| 12:45.09 | n_np_ | it started to rack my drive a couple of minutes after i installed it |
| 12:45.11 | Elive_user33 | http://tuxedo-live.blogspot.com |
| 12:45.19 | rmaj | debian fails to install a package, how to report the bug |
| 12:45.22 | Grey_ | Vista blows chunks. |
| 12:45.31 | SpeedyG | n_np_: vista is evil, horid and bloat |
| 12:45.38 | n_np_ | i have to use it for damn audio production :/ |
| 12:45.46 | Grey_ | Buy a mac? |
| 12:45.56 | SpeedyG | btw Supaplex, i'm in #vim allready :P |
| 12:45.59 | Supaplex | buy me one to? |
| 12:46.02 | n_np_ | i would but i just dont have the money righ tnow |
| 12:46.02 | n_np_ | heh |
| 12:46.10 | rmaj | vista - never before windows where so lollable |
| 12:46.10 | n_np_ | i wanne get new dex too :) |
| 12:46.11 | Grey_ | You bought vista, I assume. |
| 12:46.16 | n_np_ | um um um |
| 12:46.18 | n_np_ | ;p |
| 12:46.19 | Grey_ | haha |
| 12:46.24 | Grey_ | Join the club~ |
| 12:46.30 | bullgard4 | What is the reason that ACPI Specification 3.0b does not mention HAL? |
| 12:46.32 | Grey_ | I had a legit copy with my laptop |
| 12:46.40 | abrotman | Elive_user33: please don't spam us |
| 12:46.41 | Grey_ | I got rid of it because it pissed me about |
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| 12:46.55 | n_np_ | vista is like a high maintenance stoner biatch |
| 12:46.59 | Elive_user33 | ok |
| 12:47.13 | Elive_user33 | vista is trans-gay OS |
| 12:47.15 | Elive_user33 | =) |
| 12:47.23 | n_np_ | i blame the lawyers |
| 12:47.27 | abrotman | Elive_user33: go away |
| 12:47.35 | Grey_ | Vista is like XP after AOL had its way with it |
| 12:47.36 | h3sp4wn | !tell Elive_user33 about gay |
| 12:47.42 | SpeedyG | Vista is the #1 reason for me to start learning to work with *nix as primary desktop OS |
| 12:47.43 | abrotman | Grey_: you can stop now |
| 12:47.51 | Supaplex | !drm |
| 12:47.51 | dpkg | i guess drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp |
| 12:47.52 | n_np_ | yeah Grey_ they had to make it lawyer-friendly |
| 12:47.54 | abrotman | if you want to talk about vista .. try another channel |
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| 12:48.10 | n_np_ | pardon me abrotman |
| 12:48.16 | Grey_ | abrotman, surely vista-bashing is on topic |
| 12:48.17 | n_np_ | i was just talking about my system :) |
| 12:48.26 | abrotman | Grey_: no .. it's not |
| 12:48.26 | n_np_ | repo on one box, host on another box, vista box for production |
| 12:48.36 | Grey_ | That was a joke abrotman.. |
| 12:48.37 | Supaplex | http://www.goodbye-windows.com is a cure for the common vista. |
| 12:48.39 | n_np_ | yeah its a bit lame bashing other os'z |
| 12:48.53 | n_np_ | they all have their place in this world |
| 12:48.55 | Grey_ | leave me alone, I just got awake. |
| 12:48.56 | n_np_ | i like 'em all |
| 12:49.08 | Grey_ | Brain frozen. |
| 12:49.13 | Grey_ | Thawing [45%] |
| 12:49.14 | cahoot | n_np: well as long as it isn't gentoo |
| 12:49.18 | Supaplex | !caffinate Grey_ |
| 12:49.29 | n_np_ | i've never tried gentoo |
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| 12:49.39 | h3sp4wn | cahoot: gentoo is not bad as long as you use the other package mangler |
| 12:49.40 | Supaplex | n_np_: it's a productivity tool |
| 12:49.50 | Grey_ | Bloody college |
| 12:50.00 | SpeedyG | h3sp4wn: and have one hell of a pc to compile everything ;) |
| 12:50.01 | n_np_ | what is it good for? |
| 12:50.06 | Supaplex | n_np_: http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 12:50.09 | h3sp4wn | SpeedyG: Not really |
| 12:50.18 | Grey_ | n_np_, Office 07 is much better than trying to use 97/03 |
| 12:50.22 | cahoot | h3sp4wn: the only thing to ignite more abuse than windows in this channel though |
| 12:50.32 | abrotman | Grey_: do you have a debian question ? |
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| 12:50.43 | Grey_ | Yeah. Will wine run office 07? |
| 12:50.50 | abrotman | ask #wine |
| 12:50.54 | abrotman | erm .. #winehq |
| 12:51.01 | Grey_ | Oh, and wine on debian is rather stale |
| 12:51.03 | h3sp4wn | Grey_: Unlikely |
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| 12:51.14 | n_np_ | lol Supaplex |
| 12:51.14 | xand | Grey_: who'd want to run that? |
| 12:51.19 | h3sp4wn | Grey_: if you want office then buy crossover (works for upto 2003) |
| 12:51.23 | Grey_ | And I have this wierd thing where my debian laptop pings out more than my XP one |
| 12:51.25 | Supaplex | h3sp4wn: winehq makes a new release every 2 weeks |
| 12:51.26 | n_np_ | yeah Grey_ office 07 is really pretty |
| 12:51.34 | SpeedyG | h3sp4wn: i've tried it a few times on a <1Ghz box, and it wasnt funny :) |
| 12:51.35 | n_np_ | but at the end of the day every office does the same thing really |
| 12:51.47 | Grey_ | Office 07 makes sense after you forget how to use old office. |
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| 12:52.14 | abrotman | jesus christ |
| 12:52.27 | n_np_ | abrotman, is about to abort us, lets be quiet |
| 12:52.28 | Supaplex | abrotman: you're late. he'll be back again. |
| 12:52.28 | asg | abrotman: bacon! |
| 12:52.29 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: and they are better at supporting office than crossover ? I doubt it - if you "need" to run office wine is not a solution |
| 12:52.43 | zicho | how can i change the file extension on multiple files? If i want all files ending with ".abc" changes to ".ABC" instead? |
| 12:52.55 | n_np_ | if you really need any windows programs truth be told- you should probably install vista |
| 12:52.56 | asg | zicho: rename |
| 12:53.03 | Supaplex | h3sp4wn: OOo has issues, but it's lgpl |
| 12:53.27 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: But it doesn't work flawlessly with exchange |
| 12:53.29 | Supaplex | h3sp4wn: I'm using their developer snapshot. I've already avoided a few personal show stopping bugs. |
| 12:53.33 | Grey_ | h3sp4wn, does it read MS's horrid docx format? |
| 12:53.47 | h3sp4wn | Grey_: No idea |
| 12:53.57 | zicho | hm, wait, i phrased the question incorrectly. I want the original files to stay, but i want to copy them and change the extension |
| 12:54.18 | h3sp4wn | Grey_: They did say they were going to make it backwards compatible so probably it can |
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| 12:54.49 | abrotman | why does postfix log to mail.log and syslog .. hrm ... |
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| 12:54.55 | Grey_ | zicho, it can be done, but I don't know how |
| 12:55.19 | asg | zicho: then cp(1) them first and rename(1) the copies |
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| 12:55.28 | zicho | I want to use mencoder to convert avi to mpg, and i just want the file extension to change. |
| 12:55.44 | abrotman | zicho: rename |
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| 12:59.52 | Supaplex | zicho: yea, all the cool p2p kids are doing it |
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| 13:00.21 | zicho | Supalex: ? |
| 13:01.15 | Supaplex | zicho: download something you want on kazaa, and chnaces are, it's a renamed from something totally unrelated. |
| 13:01.26 | bullgard4 | What is the reason that ACPI Specification 3.0b does not mention HAL? |
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| 13:03.46 | DemonSpecter | where on earth are the templates for Kdevelop in KDE o_O can't find them outside the KDevelop IDE |
| 13:05.24 | abrotman | bullgard4: you'd probably want to ask the acpi people |
| 13:06.13 | abrotman | http://acpi.sourceforge.net/mailinglists.html |
| 13:06.22 | Hoxzer | HMM |
| 13:06.34 | rmaj | DemonSpecter: strace it baby |
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| 13:12.54 | Silvia | abrotman, iam here yet....with that.... |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | i'm not |
| 13:13.09 | Silvia | i bit more near of the goal... |
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| 13:13.27 | Silvia | abrotman, you are always...so kind with me.... |
| 13:13.44 | abrotman | Silvia: oh stop .. you'll make me blush |
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| 13:14.49 | Silvia | a bit of help, abrotman , sure you know how to solve it |
| 13:15.21 | abrotman | i pointed you to the exact document that helped me set it up |
| 13:15.25 | abrotman | Silvia: what doesn't work now ? |
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| 13:15.57 | Silvia | i read it... sure..many howtos... |
| 13:16.59 | Silvia | abrotman, this is how i did: http://paste.debian.net/38936 |
| 13:17.21 | Silvia | abrotman, after that, it is so: http://paste.debian.net/38937 |
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| 13:17.36 | abrotman | i still think that's wrong |
| 13:17.45 | Silvia | abrotman, why? |
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| 13:17.57 | Silvia | abrotman, gest is so: http://paste.debian.net/38938 |
| 13:17.59 | abrotman | i think(i'm not certain) you're using the wrong interfaces for the bridge |
| 13:18.17 | Silvia | abrotman, let me see it it can help you: |
| 13:18.34 | Silvia | in host: root@servidor:~/scripts/# tcpdump -i tap0 host qemu and icmp |
| 13:18.41 | valdyn | qemu bridge should be tun |
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| 13:18.50 | abrotman | is your gateway correct ? |
| 13:18.57 | Silvia | abrotman, 15:08:45.612623 IP qemu > 217.20.117.1: ICMP echo request, id 21007, seq 1, length 64 |
| 13:18.59 | valdyn | but i dont know if i follow |
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| 13:19.04 | abrotman | valdyn: so totally not br0 and dummy0 ? |
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| 13:19.31 | valdyn | abrotman: i dont yet know what he's doing really since qemu sets this up by itself |
| 13:19.40 | Silvia | abrotman, that output is while from gest i am pingin route default ISP |
| 13:19.44 | abrotman | valdyn: not bridging |
| 13:19.53 | abrotman | or not in etch anyways |
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| 13:19.58 | valdyn | abrotman: true |
| 13:20.09 | abrotman | it does NAT by default .. |
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| 13:20.16 | valdyn | yea |
| 13:20.25 | Silvia | from gest i can ping inet |
| 13:20.33 | Silvia | *CANT |
| 13:20.47 | abrotman | i'm not even sure what dummy0 is |
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| 13:21.06 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 13:21.09 | Silvia | abrotman, is a secure connection |
| 13:21.24 | abrotman | you setup the qemu guest to use the host as its router ? |
| 13:21.35 | abrotman | router/gateway ? |
| 13:21.45 | Silvia | as i have 2 ips, i can startup a dummy0 interface, bind ssh to it |
| 13:21.48 | Silvia | yes.... |
| 13:21.49 | et | is there a way to get aptitude to reinstall all packages_ |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | Silvia: that's wrong |
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| 13:22.13 | flixil | hello |
| 13:22.16 | abrotman | the guest should use your normal gateway as its gateway |
| 13:22.19 | Supaplex | et: dpkg. --get-selections. man dpkg for the finer details |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | !tell et about reinstall |
| 13:22.26 | Stinger | is there a console command that will shutdown x cleanly? or will just killing startx do that? |
| 13:22.27 | Silvia | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/38938. gw is de bridge ip |
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| 13:22.47 | abrotman | the guest should use your normal gateway as its gateway |
| 13:22.54 | Silvia | abrotman, sure? |
| 13:23.00 | Silvia | abrotman, oks... |
| 13:23.01 | abrotman | that's why it's bridging |
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| 13:23.33 | valdyn | the guest needs to be accessible directly from the internet, you cant make incoming packets 'guess' the gateway |
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| 13:24.49 | valdyn | so that would give: qemu iface <-> bridge <-> internet iface of host |
| 13:25.13 | Silvia | abrotman, if i try to set gw to gw host i am said this : http://paste.debian.net/38951 |
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| 13:25.40 | Silvia | valdyn, i am really very tired.... |
| 13:25.48 | et | what does "Writing extended state information... Error! E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libdevmapper1.02 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." mean? |
| 13:25.57 | et | which file...? |
| 13:26.18 | Silvia | valdyn, i am missing something i dont know what |
| 13:26.18 | valdyn | et: 'aptitude reinstall libdevmapper1.02' |
| 13:26.54 | et | valdyn: that's what causes this error, yes. |
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| 13:27.55 | Silvia | valdyn, this is how i was doing: http://paste.debian.net/38936, http://paste.debian.net/38937, http://paste.debian.net/38938 (debian is gest, servidor is host) |
| 13:28.00 | valdyn | et: its probably not available (anymore) |
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| 13:28.23 | valdyn | et: maybe you should do 'aptitude -s dist-upgrade' and see what's happening |
| 13:28.42 | et | it's broken because i accidently deleted files. |
| 13:28.51 | Silvia | valdyn, dummy0 is just a interface secure where i can bind sshd, in case i lost connection with server |
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| 13:29.06 | et | but the error message isn't helpful because it doesn't tell me which file it can't locate... |
| 13:29.43 | valdyn | et: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/livdevmapper*deb |
| 13:29.44 | n_np_ | yay my deb system is installing |
| 13:29.47 | Silvia | valdyn, you see somethihng wrong¿ |
| 13:29.55 | n_np_ | how does one configure a firewall in linux? |
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| 13:30.38 | valdyn | Silvia: if eth0 is your internet interface, that interfaces needs to have an added ip that is the one accessing your guest |
| 13:31.29 | et | valdyn: it's a generic error, it's not about that package |
| 13:31.46 | Silvia | valdyn, i did it so, but changing eth0 to dummy0. from my home i can ssh dummy0 ip |
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| 13:32.03 | valdyn | Silvia: dummy0 isnt eth0 |
| 13:32.08 | Silvia | valdyn, so dummy0 is an inet interface |
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| 13:33.14 | valdyn | Silvia: to reach dummy0, the remote site needs to use eth0 as gateway. That is not how your isp setup things though? |
| 13:33.32 | n_np_ | my eth interface isnt configured |
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| 13:33.37 | n_np_ | properly over pppoe |
| 13:33.42 | n_np_ | now i cant access the mirror |
| 13:33.45 | n_np_ | how do i fix that? |
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| 13:34.17 | valdyn | Silvia: ah, i can access both from here |
| 13:34.17 | Stinger | anyone here tried an sid x.org backport to etch? |
| 13:34.27 | Silvia | valdyn, yes... |
| 13:34.31 | Silvia | i said you |
| 13:34.41 | Silvia | (now i am rebooting...) |
| 13:34.51 | Silvia | so you willnot :) |
| 13:35.04 | kawk | n_np_: If your interface isn't configured properly, then how are you accessing this? Another computer? |
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| 13:35.52 | Silvia | valdyn, i am try this script instead:http://paste.debian.net/38953 |
| 13:35.56 | n_np_ | yeah |
| 13:36.06 | Silvia | valdyn, using eth0 instead dummy |
| 13:36.22 | kawk | n_np_: Oh, ok. So what exactly is the problem? |
| 13:36.24 | smhar | ok, I have a basic question, for a 64bit computer, does installing debian differ, other than the 64bit kernel? |
| 13:36.33 | n_np_ | kawk i have the network install iso |
| 13:36.40 | kawk | smhar: Yes it does slightly |
| 13:36.42 | n_np_ | and i need to set it up so that it uses pppoe over my wireless router |
| 13:36.44 | n_np_ | so that i can use apt |
| 13:36.51 | kawk | n_np_: ah . . . . |
| 13:37.00 | kawk | n_np: That could be a problem |
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| 13:37.06 | n_np_ | yeh |
| 13:37.13 | kawk | n_np: Do you have a wired connection on that computer? |
| 13:37.17 | valdyn | smhar: debian architectures all install the same |
| 13:37.27 | n_np_ | yeah |
| 13:37.29 | flixil | How can i change the default permisions on creating files and directories? Thanks |
| 13:37.34 | kawk | smhar: But some programs are not ported to amd64 yet |
| 13:37.52 | kawk | n_np_: Try connecting using the wired enthernet |
| 13:37.58 | n_np_ | okay |
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| 13:38.00 | n_np_ | and pppoe ? |
| 13:38.06 | kawk | n_np_: Might work |
| 13:38.16 | smhar | valdyn, I am having problem with the vga driver that seems becaus?e of the 64bit thing, can I just install the 32bit kernel and use the 32bit vga driver |
| 13:38.26 | kawk | n_np_: Unless you have a pppoe boardband, no. |
| 13:38.29 | n_np_ | if i set up the router with a l/p to connect automatically- could i access the net over lan? |
| 13:38.34 | n_np_ | it is broadband |
| 13:38.41 | kawk | n_np_: Yes, you should be able to |
| 13:39.02 | valdyn | smhar: that's probably a bogus conclusion and you can just install a 32-bit kernel on 64-bit debian |
| 13:39.10 | valdyn | smhar: CANNOT |
| 13:39.13 | valdyn | smhar: typo.. |
| 13:39.14 | n_np_ | it would be more convenient if i could run a script that configures broadband ppoe |
| 13:39.18 | valdyn | smhar: that's probably a bogus conclusion and you can't just install a 32-bit kernel on 64-bit debian |
| 13:39.33 | Stinger | hmm trying to backport a virtual package isnt going to work is it |
| 13:39.52 | Stinger | I'm gonna have to do each component individually? |
| 13:40.01 | valdyn | Stinger: a virtual package doesn't exist, its virtual |
| 13:40.02 | kawk | n_np_: True . . . see if you can get any kind of network to work, so you can download and install updates first. Then you can try getting your wireless network card to work. |
| 13:40.05 | Silvia | valdyn, i make the bridge using eth0: http://paste.debian.net/38953 |
| 13:40.11 | smhar | valdyn, so, if I have a amd64, I am stuck with 64 system and I can not use 32 bit kernel or 32 bit drivers |
| 13:40.11 | valdyn | Stinger: maybe you mean meta package |
| 13:40.23 | valdyn | smhar: right |
| 13:40.42 | Stinger | its xorg. Is that a meta package? |
| 13:40.48 | smhar | valdyn, this sucks |
| 13:40.52 | kawk | Stinger: Yes it is. |
| 13:41.18 | Stinger | right then yes meta package, I will have to backport each of the component packages seperately right? |
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| 13:41.25 | n_np_ | yeah im on it |
| 13:41.31 | kawk | Stinger: Yes, you will have to. |
| 13:41.40 | kawk | n_np_: Alright. Let me know how it goes. |
| 13:41.40 | Stinger | fun |
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| 13:41.40 | n_np_ | i think grub didnt install correctly now since the wrong hard drive is booting now |
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| 13:42.04 | kawk | n_np_: Interesting . . . Change the boot order in the BIOS |
| 13:42.05 | valdyn | Stinger: why would you do that anyway? |
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| 13:42.21 | n_np_ | it seems to prefer the sata over the ide no matter wha ti do |
| 13:42.27 | Stinger | do what, backport xorg? |
| 13:42.39 | valdyn | Stinger: yes |
| 13:42.46 | kawk | n_np_: Really? Even when you change the boot order? |
| 13:42.49 | Stinger | cause it currently does not work :) |
| 13:42.51 | n_np_ | yeah |
| 13:42.55 | kawk | n_np_: Wierd . . . |
| 13:42.56 | n_np_ | im gonna try get grub onto the sata |
| 13:43.02 | n_np_ | yeah i think the bios is a bit messd |
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| 13:43.06 | n_np_ | buggy :/ |
| 13:43.06 | kawk | n_np_: Good idea |
| 13:43.17 | kawk | n_np_: Too bad for your BIOS , , , :P |
| 13:43.30 | valdyn | Stinger: so because it doesn't work, instead of fixing the actual error you think that changing the most possible the hardest way possible has the biggest chance of fixing things? |
| 13:43.31 | n_np_ | yeah. . .:( |
| 13:43.51 | Stinger | I dont get errors, just locks my kbd and screen goes black |
| 13:43.59 | kawk | n_np_: I've had a messed up HDD before, but never a BIOS . . . |
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| 13:44.45 | valdyn | Stinger: use the vesa driver. If that driver works fine then you can try a different driver for your hardware, and only a different driver, not a whole different X |
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| 13:44.51 | Stinger | vesa doesnt work |
| 13:44.51 | n_np_ | its possibly the hdd but i want to get it working |
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| 13:45.09 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 13:45.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:45.20 | kawk | n_np_: OK. Try disconnecting the SATA HDD? |
| 13:45.22 | Stinger | same symptoms as previous |
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| 13:45.50 | valdyn | Stinger: plug your display into the other connector of your gfx card |
| 13:45.58 | valdyn | Stinger: if you have a 2-way gfx card.. |
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| 13:46.43 | Stinger | if it were that, ctrl + alt + bkspc should work, but I'll go try it for the sake of completedness |
| 13:47.21 | valdyn | Stinger: ..and read /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg |
| 13:48.06 | smhar | ok, right now I have an amd64bit notebook with an ati radeon x1200. I tried the fxlrg oneline driver but got the following error: http://paste.debian.net/38941 . I tried searching th ati site for a driver but the x 1200 is not listed, and the amd64 is not listesd either, the x86 64 is. |
| 13:48.12 | smhar | so what are my options? |
| 13:48.37 | abrotman | use the radeon driver ? |
| 13:48.53 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 13:48.57 | Stinger | xorg.log ends abruoptly after .. |
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| 13:49.54 | smhar | abrotman, all drivers do not show amd 64: http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html |
| 13:50.22 | abrotman | smhar: ask #ati |
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| 13:51.25 | Stinger | currently it ends at SetGrabKeysState - disabled, previously it ended at Configured Mouse : ps2EnabledDataReporting : succeeded |
| 13:51.37 | smhar | abrotman, I prefere an open source solution |
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| 13:51.51 | Stinger | dmesg has no new messages than what it usually does after boot |
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| 13:52.10 | abrotman | smhar: fglrx isn't open source |
| 13:52.27 | smhar | abrotman, ! |
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| 13:52.39 | smhar | abrotman, is there any? |
| 13:52.43 | abrotman | radeon |
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| 13:52.50 | kawk | Stinger: I think someone's already suggested this, but try switching to the vesa driver? |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | dunno if it supports your card though |
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| 13:53.02 | Stinger | heh its on vesa that its dieing |
| 13:53.07 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 13:53.11 | Stinger | incidentilly also dies on nvidia driver |
| 13:53.12 | valdyn | Stinger: what's your keyboard device in xorg.conf? |
| 13:53.51 | kawk | Stinger: Oops, sorry. |
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| 13:54.03 | Stinger | driver is kdb rules : xorg model : pc104 layout : us |
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| 13:54.33 | kawk | Stinger: You certian you don't have any errors in your xorg.log file? |
| 13:54.53 | nn | is there a way to uncompress debs while still being a deb? |
| 13:55.00 | abrotman | ar x |
| 13:55.04 | Stinger | can't see any |
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| 13:55.28 | nn | abrotman: I'm wanting to stay .deb just uncompressed, does that split into files or hows it go? |
| 13:55.30 | kawk | Stinger: Post this: tail | xorg.log |
| 13:55.30 | pocukrani | i have installed bind9 and when i run named -g i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/38954 |
| 13:55.33 | valdyn | Stinger: uname -r |
| 13:55.34 | fatalerrors | hi everybody |
| 13:55.55 | abrotman | nn: a .deb is an 'ar' archive .. 'ar x' will extract it |
| 13:55.56 | fatalerrors | do you know if a subtitle editor exists and what is name? |
| 13:55.56 | valdyn | Stinger: + still missing the device |
| 13:56.24 | fatalerrors | and if it is possible to change container format of a video file without reencoding video and soud track? |
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| 13:56.57 | Stinger | uname is 2.6.22.2 and what do you mean by missing the device |
| 13:57.09 | valdyn | Stinger: you didn't tell us |
| 13:57.15 | kawk | Stinger: When did it start acting up? |
| 13:57.24 | kawk | Stinger: Since you installed it? |
| 13:57.24 | Stinger | when I installed it ;) |
| 13:57.35 | kawk | Stinger: That's what I thought. |
| 13:57.38 | Stinger | yeah haven't had xorg working on this comp |
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| 13:58.07 | Stinger | ubuntu live cd dies on boot in the same fasion |
| 13:58.20 | kawk | Stinger: Just a suggestion: Try re-(re-re-re-re-re-)running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:58.31 | valdyn | Stinger: why don't you use a debian kernel? |
| 13:58.38 | nn | abrotman: not really what im wanting, wanting to store the internal data.tar.gz uncompressed |
| 13:58.47 | kawk | Stinger: And going "Advanced" when it comes to the Monitors section |
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| 13:59.15 | abrotman | nn: okay .. so after you 'ar x' it .. extract the data.tar.gz and save it off |
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| 13:59.21 | kawk | Stinger: Then use 30-70KHz for horizontal and 50-70Hz for vertical |
| 13:59.23 | valdyn | Stinger: grep -i device /etc/X11/xorg.conf should list the keyboard device too |
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| 13:59.45 | nn | abrotman: yes, and inside the deb are data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz (or bz2), i'm wondering if theres a way to put back the two tarballs as non-compressed (just .tar) |
| 14:00.24 | abrotman | nn: you could gunzip them .. then re archive the the 'ar' .. but then dpkg might freak out |
| 14:00.33 | nn | abrotman: that's my concern |
| 14:00.35 | Stinger | hmm I might check something |
| 14:00.43 | valdyn | nn: what's the point? |
| 14:00.57 | abrotman | that too |
| 14:00.58 | valdyn | nn: of doing something silly as that - changing .deb specs? |
| 14:01.13 | yang | is there a way to re-attach the process which goes into background with the "&" command? |
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| 14:01.21 | kawk | yang: The fg command |
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| 14:01.35 | yang | kawk: thanks |
| 14:01.45 | kawk | yang: No problem |
| 14:01.57 | DemonSpecter | strace didn't return anything useful as to where the templates are located for kdevelop :( |
| 14:02.14 | nn | valdyn: I'm wanting to be experiment with my fs driver and use deb's, but it's hard to seek within stream compression |
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| 14:03.03 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: do you know a file extension or name ? |
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| 14:03.13 | stef_ | what debian image should I download for a livecd ? |
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| 14:03.17 | stef_ | I need to fsck my hdd |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 14:03.20 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 14:03.52 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: really .. you couldn't find it ? 'updatedb && locate *.kdevtemplate' |
| 14:03.53 | nn | my project might be useful for live-cd's ;) |
| 14:03.58 | stef_ | abrotman: thx |
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| 14:04.43 | nn | what's the latest, greatest system for managing a bunch of deb boxen over a lan? |
| 14:05.00 | kawk | nn: ssh :P |
| 14:05.24 | nn | kawk: I'm presently using ssh, cronjob's, rsync, and cvs for it but meh |
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| 14:05.40 | Stinger | ok my keyboard InputDevice section doesnt have a device option |
| 14:05.43 | kawk | nn: I see . . . |
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| 14:06.05 | DemonSpecter | doesn't find any *.kdevtemplate on pc |
| 14:06.07 | Stinger | and my old gentoo install (which worked) didn't either |
| 14:06.10 | nn | trying to setup a local apt cache so i don't abuse deb mirrors so much when updates occur |
| 14:06.19 | kawk | nn: Hmm. My only suggestion would be something like GNOME Remote Access. |
| 14:06.45 | Silvia | valdyn, i thing my problem is something with route.... |
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| 14:06.54 | abrotman | DemonSpecter: maybe ask #debian-kde .. |
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| 14:07.04 | stef_ | how can I do fsck without using another partition ? |
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| 14:07.38 | yang | kawk: I cant really find the "fg" command, did you mean "fgconsole" |
| 14:07.48 | stef_ | how can I do fsck without using another partition ? |
| 14:08.11 | lyakh | hm, migrating my mail from sarge to etch. on sarge I had spamassassin 3.1.7 self-installed from sources, on etch 3.1.7-deb comes with the distro. moved the database. sent a test spam-email from the old one, where it was marked with 17.8 points, the etch version only collected 6.3? |
| 14:08.12 | nn | yang: fg is built into most shells |
| 14:08.52 | kawk | Is there any way in XFCE (4.4.1) to assign a keybinding for minimizing a window? Not shading, but minimizing. |
| 14:09.16 | kawk | yang: If you're using bash or sh it should work |
| 14:09.22 | Silvia | valdyn, abrotman : take a look here please: http://paste.debian.net/38956 |
| 14:09.32 | kawk | yang: Never used anything else, so I can't tell you about others |
| 14:10.07 | abrotman | ping your router .. not some random internet ip |
| 14:10.37 | Silvia | abchirk, that is what i did |
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| 14:10.53 | Silvia | abrotman, that ip is router ISP default gateway |
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| 14:11.01 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:11.07 | abrotman | Silvia: you killed abchirk !!! |
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| 14:11.18 | Silvia | abrotman, am?? |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 14:11.34 | Silvia | my poor english... |
| 14:11.34 | xand | ha. |
| 14:11.45 | yang | kawk: fg <PID> ? |
| 14:11.54 | kawk | yang: Yes, that's it. |
| 14:12.00 | Silvia | abrotman, seens a NAT masquerade missing? |
| 14:12.05 | kawk | yang: You can use jobs -l to see PIDs |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | Silvia: you're doing bridging |
| 14:12.24 | abrotman | if you want to use NAT .. just use NAT |
| 14:12.32 | Silvia | abrotman, i am trying... |
| 14:12.41 | abrotman | for which one ? |
| 14:13.00 | Silvia | abrotman, wanna say i read sometines is needed dooing ip forwarding |
| 14:13.08 | limpio | how do i decompress .rar files? I'm using etch and installed rar and unrar, but still can't open the photos files sent to me with the .rar format. |
| 14:13.11 | nn | abrotman, valdyn: no go on reconstructing them with just plain ar, need to dig around for a good doc on the .deb format, maybe i can write an input plugin for debs |
| 14:13.15 | Silvia | abrotman, bridging |
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| 14:13.22 | Ronin | limpio: what happens when you try |
| 14:13.24 | abrotman | !tell limpio about unrar |
| 14:13.41 | limpio | Ronin, nothing happens |
| 14:13.51 | Ronin | limpio: something must |
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| 14:14.33 | Supaplex | limpio: did you catch it on tape? oh wait, that'd be something. |
| 14:14.42 | Supaplex | !tell limpio -about don't work |
| 14:14.47 | Ronin | limpio: errors? messages? |
| 14:15.01 | limpio | Ronin, i'll try again, i'll get back to you. |
| 14:15.01 | Silvia | abrotman, this can give you more information: http://paste.debian.net/38957 |
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| 14:15.15 | Supaplex | limpio: dpkg -l unrar\* |
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| 14:18.52 | Silvia | abrotman, i do not why icmp get the bridge(br0), and does not let them go out.... |
| 14:19.10 | abrotman | does any traffic go out ? |
| 14:19.31 | Silvia | from gest, nothing |
| 14:20.07 | smhar | what is the best way to run linux on linux in lenny? |
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| 14:20.18 | valdyn | smhar: there's no best way |
| 14:20.27 | valdyn | smhar: there is various ways |
| 14:20.27 | Ronin | smhar: linux on linux on linux? |
| 14:20.52 | SpeedyG | vm? :D |
| 14:21.02 | SpeedyG | that way I run linux on windows :D |
| 14:21.10 | nn | SpeedyG: tried Colinux? |
| 14:21.15 | SpeedyG | and windows on that linux :D |
| 14:21.29 | SpeedyG | nn: nope |
| 14:21.32 | SpeedyG | what's that ? |
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| 14:21.43 | nn | SpeedyG: colinux.sf.net |
| 14:21.49 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am looking for a backport repo for etch, where should i look? |
| 14:21.51 | nn | SpeedyG: runs linux at near native speed on windows |
| 14:21.52 | limpio | Supaplex, i pasted in debian.net (dpkg -l unrar\*) |
| 14:21.58 | smhar | ok, what are my option for out of the box solution, other than vm, as vm will run on a low specs virtual hardware and will not use the actual vga driver and similar' |
| 14:22.04 | Ronin | limpio: we need the url |
| 14:22.10 | Supaplex | limpio: what's the url? |
| 14:22.18 | Supaplex | in whole... |
| 14:22.36 | valdyn | smhar: vga driver? virtualisation for gaming? |
| 14:22.40 | valdyn | smhar: forget it |
| 14:22.49 | limpio | Ronin, http://paste.debian.net/38958 |
| 14:23.12 | valdyn | !wayttd smhar |
| 14:23.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, smhar? |
| 14:23.26 | DemonSpecter | #debian-kde is dead....like a tomb |
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| 14:24.10 | epsilon | try #debian-gnome :P |
| 14:24.10 | smhar | I want to experiment with other distros , I have a new notebook and I want to see how other distros are recognizing its hardware |
| 14:24.14 | Silvia | abrotman, valdyn amazing: http://paste.debian.net/38959 |
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| 14:24.28 | valdyn | smhar: virtualisation is not useful for that |
| 14:24.30 | Ronin | limpio: and what happens when you try to unrar something? |
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| 14:24.59 | n_np | does 'scanning the mirror. . .' usually take long? |
| 14:25.00 | Silvia | abrotman, valdyn ping arrive to br0, then eth0, and then....no reply |
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| 14:25.22 | SpeedyG | smhar: create an image of the current disk-setup and all other stuff, and then start experimenting with it |
| 14:25.25 | abrotman | Silvia: is your guest still using the br0 as it's gateway ? |
| 14:25.28 | SpeedyG | *backup-image |
| 14:25.40 | epsilon | limpio: tried rar package, extract with "rar e"? |
| 14:25.54 | Silvia | abrotman, yes |
| 14:25.57 | Ronin | limpio: what command are you using to unrar also |
| 14:26.07 | valdyn | geez |
| 14:26.53 | valdyn | Silvia: the bridge is supposed to be transparent to remote hosts and to your guest. It cant be gateway |
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| 14:27.12 | limpio | Ronin, the message is 'sh: rar: command not found |
| 14:27.12 | limpio | ' |
| 14:27.29 | Supaplex | !tell limpio -about apt-file |
| 14:27.35 | Supaplex | apt-file search bin/rar |
| 14:27.39 | Silvia | valdyn, so, which gateway must be set to gest?. ISP router is on another net |
| 14:28.08 | valdyn | Silvia: the gateay your host uses is identical to the gateway your guest uses |
| 14:28.15 | valdyn | Silvia: if host uses none, guest must use none |
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| 14:29.29 | Silvia | valdyn, it fails: http://paste.debian.net/38963 |
| 14:29.34 | smhar | ok... the ati site for the radeon driver says: 32-Bit packages must be installed for 64-Bit Linux drivers to install or work. |
| 14:29.47 | abrotman | Silvia: when you paste that .. show us the interfaces file also |
| 14:29.52 | abrotman | NOT ifconfig -a |
| 14:30.09 | valdyn | Silvia: because the bridge is broken. |
| 14:30.23 | smhar | as I am running lenny with amd64 kernel on an amd64 notebook, what packages to be installed? |
| 14:30.24 | Silvia | abrotman, what you should wanna see? |
| 14:30.29 | Silvia | valdyn, broken?? |
| 14:30.39 | valdyn | Silvia: not doing what it needs to do |
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| 14:30.48 | limpio | Supaplex, bash: apt-file: command not found |
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| 14:31.19 | alterego | I'm creating a debian package but dpkg-buildpackage failed. Is it possible to run it where it failed? Instead of going through the whole compilation process again? |
| 14:31.20 | Silvia | valdyn, perfect...this is exactly what i am trying to solve |
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| 14:31.26 | epsilon | limpio: apt-get install rar |
| 14:31.44 | Silvia | valdyn, is there any way for try to manage it? |
| 14:31.51 | limpio | epsilon, i did that before, i'll try again |
| 14:31.54 | Supaplex | !tell limpio about installit |
| 14:31.57 | abrotman | Silvia: i told you that awhile ago |
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| 14:32.18 | Silvia | abrotman, really i do not how to do it.... |
| 14:32.31 | abrotman | and i told you which document to read |
| 14:32.55 | abrotman | maybe you should start your bridge from scratch again |
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| 14:33.05 | Silvia | abrotman, scratch? |
| 14:33.19 | limpio | epsilon, now it installed it, i don't understand, i thought when i did it the first time, that was it |
| 14:33.20 | smhar | I have a .run driver installer. how to build a debian package from it? |
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| 14:33.43 | Silvia | abrotman, i have read many documents ..... |
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| 14:34.22 | Silvia | abrotman, let me re-read yours... i am gonna do exactly what it says...... |
| 14:34.47 | limpio | epsilon, now it worked, thanks to everybody for your patience with my stupidity, i know nothing about this |
| 14:35.07 | jet` | I'm using Fedora(Sorry). Could you tell where I can see or get the source code of dpkg? |
| 14:35.09 | abrotman | Silvia: i think i had to modify it a bit .. but it got me going in the right direction |
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| 14:35.29 | jet` | (Google is not help.) |
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| 14:36.05 | abrotman | jet`: packages.debian.org/dpkg .. pick the version you want .. grab the source |
| 14:36.25 | Silvia | abrotman: please, paste here that document... |
| 14:36.34 | Silvia | (url) |
| 14:37.15 | Silvia | http://blog.cynapses.org/2007/07/12/qemu-kvm-internal-network-setup/? |
| 14:37.20 | abrotman | google "debian qemu bridge" .. it's the first or second link |
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| 14:37.38 | Evildust | hi |
| 14:37.53 | jet` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.12 | smhar | I have a .run driver installer. how to build a debian package from it? |
| 14:40.31 | Silvia | abrotman, this one? http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian |
| 14:40.55 | Stinger | http://paste.debian.net/38962 thats tail of my xorg log |
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| 14:41.46 | abrotman | Silvia: i believe so |
| 14:41.56 | pringat | does goodbye-microsoft.com preserve the existing windows system? or it is lost forever? thx |
| 14:42.10 | Silvia | abrotman, bridge with private ip? |
| 14:42.14 | cahoot | goodbye seems to give a hint |
| 14:42.22 | abrotman | Silvia: read the whole thing . not all of it applies to you |
| 14:42.30 | pringat | cahoot: yeah... hmmm.... |
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| 14:43.12 | cahoot | pringat: but - honestly - I don't believe a linux installer clobbers windows by default |
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| 14:43.39 | stef_ | anybody ever used external usb harddrives to boot up linux from them ? |
| 14:43.50 | nn | stef_: all the time |
| 14:44.18 | smhar | ok.. let me start a basic question first: I have a amd64 notebook, I installed debian from the net-install cd, then installed amd64 kernel, then apt-get distupgrade. does this mean I have a 64 bit system now? |
| 14:44.25 | stef_ | nn: nice,so are there problems with those drives or no ? |
| 14:44.52 | pringat | cahoot, hmm.... all right, i'll try it. I have a mate here who wants to install linux... the same story as usual... |
| 14:44.55 | nn | stef_: not mine, i've got a few 160g WD passports.. they're about 100$, 2.5" sata usb2 |
| 14:44.58 | pringat | anyway i'll try it... |
| 14:45.08 | nn | 5400rpm tho |
| 14:45.35 | cahoot | pringat: why not stick to something proven like debians installer? |
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| 14:48.22 | pocukrani | bind9 is supported on debian stable? |
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| 14:49.01 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 14:49.01 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 14:49.05 | valdyn | pocukrani: ^^^ |
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| 14:50.20 | biz | how can i pass options to a built in kernel module? |
| 14:50.33 | Stinger | valdyn, what device was it you wanted to know? i.e. in what section in x.org |
| 14:51.00 | valdyn | Silvia: the keyboard device |
| 14:51.53 | assasukasse | anyone knows where can i get some backports for etch? |
| 14:51.54 | Silvia | valdyn, ??. |
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| 14:52.16 | valdyn | Silvia: nm, breainfart i suppose |
| 14:52.35 | Silvia | valdyn, i really dont underestand you... |
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| 14:53.18 | valdyn | Silvia: there's no 'keyboard device', so forget it, ignore what i said. |
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| 14:53.57 | Stinger | bah, sorry this kbd has a stupid power button right above the pgup button |
| 14:54.27 | valdyn | heh |
| 14:54.39 | Stinger | it has been removed |
| 14:55.08 | Evildust | hi, i need a debian stable installer with an 2.6.20 or later kernel, is there a installer with an backported kernel? |
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| 14:55.21 | valdyn | !etch 2.6.20 |
| 14:55.21 | dpkg | from memory, etch 2.6.20 is avaiable at backports.org - ask me about <bpo> |
| 14:55.30 | Stinger | so what device should my keyboard section in x.org have? |
| 14:55.32 | eclipse957 | héllo |
| 14:55.33 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 14:55.33 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 14:55.38 | Stinger | er xorg.conf rather |
| 14:56.10 | eclipse957 | i have a problem with something strange |
| 14:56.30 | valdyn | Evildust: check out that site http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 14:56.33 | eclipse957 | last day i compiled f-spot svn |
| 14:56.47 | eclipse957 | when i ran after i logout |
| 14:57.02 | eclipse957 | i don't understand where the problem is |
| 14:57.19 | eclipse957 | i'm under Sid |
| 14:57.21 | valdyn | Stinger: nevermind that. |
| 14:57.22 | Evildust | thank you! |
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| 14:58.30 | eclipse957 | can someone did anything like that ? |
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| 14:59.47 | Stinger | http://paste.debian.net/38962 is where my x.org.log abruptly ends, can someone paste me their next 20 or so lines after this so I can see what its supposed to be doing next? |
| 15:00.57 | valdyn | Stinger: that's not an issue |
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| 15:01.15 | valdyn | Stinger: there does not need to be next lines, but there can be |
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| 15:02.07 | valdyn | Stinger: paste the whole logfile |
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| 15:02.40 | nn | its crazy when you get outa development for a while and get back into it after say a year or two |
| 15:03.15 | assasukasse | hi, is there any debian etch channel? |
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| 15:03.24 | valdyn | assasukasse: this one |
| 15:03.51 | assasukasse | valdyn: do u know of any etch backport repository? |
| 15:03.57 | valdyn | !backports |
| 15:03.58 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat> |
| 15:04.53 | kenchu0 | http://www.flashasylum.com/db/files/Comics/Dave/comicexam.png |
| 15:05.08 | abrotman | are you spamming us ? |
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| 15:05.57 | h3sp4wn | Anyone know of any good documentation for evdev (specifically how the - Option "Phys" "usb-*/input?" stuff works |
| 15:06.32 | assasukasse | thanks valdyn |
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| 15:07.26 | h3sp4wn | (I know it works if I hardcode them but thats not useful because if I move a plug around ever then I have to change them) |
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| 15:08.17 | h3sp4wn | and using /dev/input/event? is also not likely to be consistant either |
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| 15:10.36 | flixil | How can i change the default permisions of the creation of files and directories? |
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| 15:11.41 | themill | umask |
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| 15:15.34 | bullgard4 | Using Freenode network and Irssi and sending a message to an OP beginning with /msg, will this message use the Direct-Client-to-Client (dcc) protocol? |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | no |
| 15:16.06 | bullgard4 | abrotman: How to use the dcc protocol? |
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| 15:16.16 | abrotman | !irc primer |
| 15:16.16 | dpkg | i guess irc primer is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html |
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| 15:17.25 | enyawix | i need to download a small basic system with dselect |
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| 15:17.33 | enyawix | but where |
| 15:17.37 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Thank you very much. |
| 15:17.44 | Stinger | gah this really is thwarting my every attempt to transfer files from my linux box to this windows machine |
| 15:18.00 | abrotman | !d-i enyawix |
| 15:18.00 | dpkg | enyawix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:18.47 | Stinger | can anyone think of a good easy method for transfering a file between linux and windows preferably not involving samba |
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| 15:19.03 | xoz | wsftp |
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| 15:19.44 | Stinger | I was hoping to use netcat but windows wont let it listen for some reason |
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| 15:19.51 | enyawix | ya i have no cdrom |
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| 15:19.56 | enyawix | :'( |
| 15:20.02 | themill | Stinger: scp, rsync or sftp under cygwin |
| 15:20.22 | xoz | Stinger: ^^^ |
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| 15:20.27 | Stinger | eek this is a one off thing, dont really want to install cygwin |
| 15:20.44 | xoz | Stinger: wsftp? |
| 15:21.09 | abrotman | !bf |
| 15:21.09 | dpkg | etch floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | enyawix: ^^ |
| 15:21.18 | Stinger | dont have an ftp server setup |
| 15:21.28 | Stinger | mebbe I'll just try reformat this usb key |
| 15:21.33 | themill | Stinger: sshsecureshell is a standalone gui sftp client too, and putty can do scp/sftp |
| 15:21.35 | xoz | Stinger: it uses ssh server |
| 15:21.41 | flixil | thanks themill |
| 15:21.57 | themill | xoz: can wsftp use sftp these days? |
| 15:22.18 | xoz | Stinger: enable ssh server in debian and use sftp in windows. it uses ssh protocol. |
| 15:22.42 | xoz | themill: yep. it uses port 22 |
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| 15:22.53 | nkuttler | Stinger: putty comes with a scp client iirc |
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| 15:24.33 | enyawix | no loos apps are in the images |
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| 15:24.52 | enyawix | just images inside images |
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| 15:25.19 | themill | xoz: only the "pro" version of wsftp does sftp so you either need to pay or hope that the trial version is enough |
| 15:25.20 | abrotman | enyawix: those are used to install a system .. |
| 15:26.00 | xoz | themill: i used it. try it. it will allow you. |
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| 15:26.31 | abrotman | filezilla |
| 15:26.42 | enyawix | i just need a tar.gz of a small system |
| 15:26.58 | enyawix | just deselect |
| 15:27.16 | themill | xoz: It's not that I disbelieve you, just that advocating expensive non-free software is not really what #debian is about... especially when alternatives like filezilla, putty or cygwin exist. |
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| 15:28.10 | xoz | themill: that's a different tone. we are just discussing whether it supports or not. period. mind you, i do all my stuffs in debian. |
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| 15:28.54 | Olgem | I'm new at this but I can't get vlc from the testing repositories with apt, it says its not available and has no installation candidate, and 'apt-cache show vlc' just silently shows nothing. Should I just download the .deb package and make the dependencies myself? |
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| 15:29.03 | xoz | themill: he is using windows, should we also stop helping him? |
| 15:29.40 | mundungus | am to be out context,but wud anyone here know any good red hat channels? |
| 15:29.57 | mundungus | am sorry to be out of context,but wud anyone here know any good red hat channels? |
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| 15:30.30 | themill | xoz: of course not... I asked as I've not used wsftp since I was running on win95 and I was almost surprised that it still existed. I was also surprised that it's only the "pro" version that does sftp and not the "home" version that someone might have anyway. |
| 15:30.37 | SpeedyG | nkuttler: putty comes with scp? |
| 15:30.43 | themill | SpeedyG: yes. |
| 15:30.57 | SpeedyG | where? I can't find it |
| 15:31.06 | xoz | google |
| 15:31.07 | themill | SpeedyG: it's often a separate download to the putty.exe, depending on how you got putty |
| 15:31.10 | SpeedyG | ah |
| 15:31.22 | Stinger | yay reformatting my usb key worked |
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| 15:31.45 | aidan | hello, I just got an email from etc, fail event on /dev/md0 |
| 15:31.45 | Tallu | winscp is also a decent scp/sftp program for windows |
| 15:31.45 | themill | SpeedyG: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html |
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| 15:32.21 | aidan | under md0, [===================>.] resync = 98.5% (144128/144448) finish=0.0min speed=110K/sec ... under md1 I see a resync=DELAYED |
| 15:32.25 | aidan | what is going on? |
| 15:32.59 | xoz | i was actually thinking of winscp |
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| 15:34.10 | themill | xoz: ahh... ;) |
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| 15:35.34 | flixil | Why the unmask full access mode is 666 in the case of files instead of 777? Why you can't make all your created files executables by default? Thanks |
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| 15:37.11 | aidan | flixil: because if I created a file, #!/bin/sh \n rm -rf / you just lost all your files. |
| 15:37.44 | labanux | anyone now how can I access a SSH server, meanwhile my network was behind a proxy server? Is there any command such "ssh -proxy proxyhost:8080 user@ssh-server"? |
| 15:38.03 | enyawix | fine |
| 15:38.09 | flixil | aidan, with rm -rf i'll lose all of them anyway if doing it with root... So... what? |
| 15:38.30 | enyawix | where is the source! |
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| 15:39.04 | Ramattack | Hi |
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| 15:39.15 | Ramattack | I have an issue with grub |
| 15:39.29 | Ramattack | have to install xp on this machine and obviously grub has failed... |
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| 15:39.47 | Ramattack | Im trying to recover it with grub-install from knoppix |
| 15:39.47 | aidan | flixil: you're asking the wrong questions |
| 15:39.55 | Ramattack | but is not working because sais... |
| 15:39.56 | Ramattack | grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda |
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| 15:40.00 | Ramattack | sorry thisnot |
| 15:40.16 | aidan | flixil: all the files you use every day are documents, they are not executables. |
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| 15:40.26 | Ramattack | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 15:40.26 | Stinger | ok finally my xorg.log http://paste.debian.net/38971 |
| 15:40.26 | enyawix | will someone dcc me dselect |
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| 15:40.32 | sgisgi | trying to help someone, their xorg.conf is blank, u can write to it, but upon reboot, its cleared again, leaving a blank conf file, any idea what could cause this? |
| 15:40.41 | Olgem | Nevermind, I just found out that debian was removed from testing. >:| |
| 15:40.43 | aidan | flixil: you shoudln't be able to "run" story.doc |
| 15:40.45 | Olgem | I mean |
| 15:40.47 | Olgem | VLC |
| 15:40.47 | Ramattack | and /boot installed on /dev/hda1 partition |
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| 15:40.59 | Ramattack | how could I recover this please |
| 15:41.01 | strog_ | hi |
| 15:41.17 | strog_ | how can i format a harddisk into a fat32 |
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| 15:41.25 | aidan | strog_: man dd |
| 15:41.37 | abrotman | ah no |
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| 15:41.40 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat |
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| 15:41.45 | flixil | aidan, it's just me who knows if story.doc is really a shell script, so why that restriction with umask? i don't understand it |
| 15:41.45 | stew | Ramattack: is /dev populated? are /proc and /sys mounted? |
| 15:41.53 | rjaym | I'm a newb, what's the typical way to zip/compress a directory recursively |
| 15:41.53 | enyawix | i will have to install gentoo if i can not get deselect |
| 15:41.59 | aidan | abrotman: oops |
| 15:42.00 | stew | Ramattack: i'm assuming you are chrooted? |
| 15:42.00 | Ramattack | im in knoppix |
| 15:42.03 | abrotman | enyawix: why can't you use the floppies ? |
| 15:42.15 | Ramattack | im outside debian... |
| 15:42.18 | strog_ | aidan: so what is the command please |
| 15:42.19 | et | why do you want to? |
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| 15:42.25 | xand | rjaym: tar czf files.tar.gz /blah |
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| 15:42.26 | enyawix | abrotman i opened the floppy image no programs |
| 15:42.26 | et | nevermind |
| 15:42.28 | aidan | flixil: because it's a reasonable assumption and enhances security |
| 15:42.33 | Ramattack | like xp started always... I entered a knoppix cd and was trying to recover grub |
| 15:42.33 | et | didn't scroll down :/ |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | enyawix: in windows ? |
| 15:42.35 | aidan | strog_: mkfs |
| 15:42.36 | xand | strog_: you need to use mkfs.vfat |
| 15:42.38 | Stinger | and my xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/38972 |
| 15:42.40 | abrotman | enyawix: that's the installer |
| 15:42.42 | stew | enyawix: http://packages.debian.org/dselect |
| 15:42.48 | Ramattack | seems to be mounted /dev but its in knoppix |
| 15:43.05 | enyawix | abrotman no with mount -o loop /mnt/floppy |
| 15:43.12 | flixil | ... yes, maybe, and you don't need an umask for files and another for directories this way |
| 15:43.13 | aidan | flixil: you can reasonably assume that most files are not meant to be executed, and assuming they are, and giving them the ability to be run, is a major security risk |
| 15:43.14 | stew | Ramattack: mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
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| 15:43.20 | transvaal_ | how can i change my modules' dir path? i see my module with lsmod but whan i try to modprobe it, i see it's trying to get the modules from a wrong path |
| 15:43.27 | stew | Ramattack: then mount /proc ; /mount /sys from INSIDE the chroot |
| 15:43.31 | strog_ | xand: could you type the command please |
| 15:43.39 | abrotman | enyawix: it's an installer |
| 15:43.42 | xand | strog_: the man page will tell you |
| 15:43.44 | aidan | flixil: oh, let's get rid of permissions altogether, that makes it much simpler! |
| 15:43.50 | stew | transvaal_: it should be loading modules from /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and you don't want to change that |
| 15:43.52 | enyawix | i need something i can chroot into |
| 15:44.02 | stew | enyawix: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 15:44.38 | Ramattack | sorry stew |
| 15:44.44 | xoz | transvaal_: explain more |
| 15:44.47 | Ramattack | how could I mount them |
| 15:44.58 | Ramattack | i have those partitions in an md0 device |
| 15:45.00 | transvaal_ | stef_, yeah.. it should. but modprobe gives me a fatal error trying to load a modules from /lib/modules/<ANOTHER KERNEL>/misc/lib/modules/$(uname -r).. |
| 15:45.08 | Ramattack | only /boot is on an ide device |
| 15:45.08 | flixil | aidan, sure, i'll use vfat partitions now on ;) |
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| 15:45.41 | stew | Ramattack: before you chroot, run mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev ; then chroot into your install and run "mount /proc ; mount /sys ; mount /boot" |
| 15:46.03 | stew | transvaal_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:46.07 | transvaal_ | lsmod shows me ndiswrapper, but modprobe ndiswrapper gives me a "fatal:: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-68/misc/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-xen-686/misc/ndiswrapper" |
| 15:46.27 | transvaal_ | stew, it says it's a 2.6.18-5-xen-686 kernel |
| 15:46.35 | Ramattack | how could I chroot in that for mounting /proc abd /sys and boot_ |
| 15:46.45 | Stinger | ah bloody hell it cut my xorg.log off |
| 15:46.45 | stew | transvaal_: maybe try running "depmod -a" |
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| 15:46.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have one question: is there an virus scanner for linux? becaus i share a lot of files betwean my linux and windows box (via samba) but, the linux pc doesnt see an virus, only the widnows box does |
| 15:47.05 | stew | Ramattack: chroot /path/to/your/install |
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| 15:47.37 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: clamav ; if you are running stable you want to get it from the volatile repository, /msg dpkg volatile |
| 15:47.37 | transvaal_ | stew, thanks. that was it ;) really newbie.. |
| 15:47.59 | enyawix | i did not want to compile a system but this will not work |
| 15:47.59 | transvaal_ | stew, i thought the modules would be updated on every reboot.. |
| 15:48.03 | enyawix | gentoo it is |
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| 15:48.20 | stew | transvaal_: how did you install ndiswrapper? with m-a? |
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| 15:48.26 | aidan | DJ-Marcuzz: why would linux care about a windows virus? |
| 15:48.36 | nannao | ciao a tutti |
| 15:48.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | aidan, becaus its sharing his files with an linux box |
| 15:48.45 | stew | aidan: as a service to windows users |
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| 15:49.21 | nannao | io vorrei istallare debian sul mio pc... ma trovo delle difficoltà... |
| 15:49.25 | nannao | cè qlk disposto ad siutarmi? |
| 15:49.27 | transvaal_ | stew, yes. but i might have made some strange symlink in the middle of the process.. |
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| 15:49.28 | stew | !it |
| 15:49.28 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 15:49.41 | Stinger | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/38973 ok heres the log (with a heap of mode probes cut out so it fits on the page) |
| 15:49.42 | nannao | ok thank you |
| 15:49.54 | nannao | byebye |
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| 15:51.38 | aidan | DJ-Marcuzz: your linux virus scanner, I assume, is not scanning for things that doesn't affect it (like a windows virus) |
| 15:51.59 | stew | Stinger: what graphics card do you have? |
| 15:52.05 | stew | aidan: it would |
| 15:52.06 | Ramattack | stew, but I can mount /boot partition outside chroot... |
| 15:52.13 | Ramattack | is it neccesary to chroot anyway) |
| 15:52.14 | Stinger | nvidia 8600GTS |
| 15:52.14 | Ramattack | _ |
| 15:52.28 | xand | aidan / DJ-Marcuzz I believe clam will scan for all types of viruses |
| 15:52.38 | stew | it will |
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| 15:52.53 | xand | aidan: people use linux for windows file servers, so that's why |
| 15:53.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | then clamav is what i need. i have no experiance with clamav, on my desktops i have nod32 |
| 15:53.04 | stew | Ramattack: no i don't think it is strictly necessary to chroot, its just the way i would recommend |
| 15:53.05 | xand | file, email, etc |
| 15:53.19 | Ramattack | it always is saying me that |
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| 15:53.23 | Supaplex | oops. I tripped over irc.freshmeat.net. should I plug this back in? |
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| 15:53.31 | n_np | damnit i think one of my drives r busted |
| 15:53.41 | n_np | old pc parts :( |
| 15:53.49 | Supaplex | MTBF |
| 15:53.52 | stew | 0 |
| 15:53.56 | n_np | mtbf > |
| 15:53.59 | Ramattack | could not find device for /boot |
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| 15:54.04 | Ramattack | and I-m specifying!!! |
| 15:54.05 | n_np | mtbf ? |
| 15:54.10 | Ramattack | /dev/hda1 |
| 15:54.19 | stew | Ramattack: put the output of "mount" into a pastebin |
| 15:54.28 | stew | Ramattack: or the contents of /etc/mtab |
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| 15:54.40 | white_gecko | hello |
| 15:54.41 | fusQer | i havent done an apt-get update in about 8 months. at the time i was running "unstable". if i do an apt-get update now and then upgrade, is it ok to leave my sources.list or whatever , the same as "unstable" or is "unstable" a new different version now? |
| 15:54.53 | white_gecko | do you know, how to user uupdate? |
| 15:55.01 | stew | fusQer: unstable is always unstable, it never changes |
| 15:55.02 | white_gecko | I get "uupdate: no archive given" |
| 15:55.19 | xoz | fusQer: change in unstable is constant |
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| 15:55.37 | Ramattack | mount output |
| 15:55.38 | Ramattack | http://pastebin.com/m19b91f6e |
| 15:55.50 | fusQer | stew but dont they get rotated? |
| 15:55.56 | fusQer | stew like isnt there a new unstable |
| 15:56.01 | fusQer | or does it not work like that |
| 15:56.03 | stew | Ramattack: thats not debian |
| 15:56.08 | fusQer | anyways should i just issue an upgarde then |
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| 15:56.14 | Ramattack | it-s knoppix i cant boot debian |
| 15:56.16 | xand | fusQer: not for unstable |
| 15:56.32 | fusQer | xand im just scared to do a dist-upgrade after 8 months, you think its ok? |
| 15:56.35 | stew | fusQer: no, unstable doesn't change. when a new stable is released, testing becomes stable and a new testing is created, but unstable doesn't move |
| 15:56.40 | valdyn | fusQer: you shouldnt use unstable at all, and if dist-upgrade works is your luck |
| 15:56.58 | fusQer | heh ive been using unstable circa 1999 :( |
| 15:57.00 | stew | fusQer: you'll want to make sure you are on a 2.6 kernel before doing anything |
| 15:57.06 | fusQer | yes, ia m |
| 15:57.19 | fusQer | i just use the computer for hosting gallery, but gallery broke so i just want to upgrade it all |
| 15:57.21 | flixil | the extrange is 8 months without updating unstable |
| 15:57.49 | flixil | fusQer, do you have kde installed? don't update kdebase yet i think |
| 15:57.52 | rjaym | how can I scroll output from (for example) a long -help text output |
| 15:58.00 | xand | rjaym: | less |
| 15:58.02 | rjaym | because the top portion is being cut off |
| 15:58.11 | flixil | rjaym, comand --help | less |
| 15:58.13 | rjaym | "| less" ? where do I put that |
| 15:58.19 | rjaym | k |
| 15:58.26 | Stinger | shift pgup can also work |
| 15:58.39 | fusQer | flixil no i use windowmaker |
| 15:58.48 | rjaym | ah, shift pgup, that worked :D |
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| 15:59.04 | valdyn | rjaym: 'command --help | less' or sometimes 'command --help 2>&1 | less' |
| 15:59.09 | Stinger | but that only stores so many pages if that gets cut off use less |
| 15:59.50 | stew | fusQer: running a public facing server on unstable is not wise. if you are updating it regularly it is going to break regularly, if you don't update it regularly (which seems to be the case) it is likely to have security problems |
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| 16:00.23 | Ramattack | stew, what could i do please help me... |
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| 16:00.56 | stew | 10:45 < stew> Ramattack: before you chroot, run mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev ; then chroot into your install and run "mount /proc ; mount /sys ; mount /boot" |
| 16:01.04 | Stinger | so any last ditch ideas on how to fix my xorg before I backport from sid? |
| 16:01.07 | stew | Ramattack: then follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 16:01.09 | fusQer | stew ok so i put "stable" into apt.sources? i thought stable is frozen and never updated and only the new cutting edge stuff goes into unstable? no? |
| 16:01.24 | stew | fusQer: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 16:01.34 | stew | fusQer: yes, stable is frozen and only gets security updates |
| 16:01.38 | Stinger | or before I attempt to backport anyway :P |
| 16:01.41 | bolt | When I connect to my debian box which runs x11vnc, I only see the background image. I can move the mouse and push buttons and interact with windows on the screen, but in the vnc windows I only see the background image at all times, both with a windows and linux client I get the same result. Anyone know what's up? |
| 16:01.44 | Ramattack | ok thanks lets see |
| 16:03.16 | xoz | bolt: what vnc server you use? |
| 16:03.21 | D4N` | interest |
| 16:03.31 | bolt | xoz: x11vnc |
| 16:03.44 | xoz | bolt: i meant, client |
| 16:04.05 | bolt | xoz: xtightvncviewer on linux and the tight vnc client on windows |
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| 16:04.17 | bolt | xoz: tried both hextile and tight encoding |
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| 16:04.40 | fusQer | stew how do i check what vers of libc6? |
| 16:05.04 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 16:05.04 | dpkg | ii libc6 2.5-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:05.55 | xoz | bolt: possible that x11vnc is the problem. try vnc4server or other vncserver |
| 16:06.15 | bolt | xoz: but I need to see what's on the actual screen... |
| 16:06.37 | kawk | What temp should my CPU core be? |
| 16:06.50 | kawk | ~50 degrees? |
| 16:06.52 | bolt | kawk: what cpu? |
| 16:07.01 | kawk | AMD Turion ML-32 |
| 16:07.03 | themill | kawk: no, you want hotter than that for cooking eggs |
| 16:07.26 | bolt | kawk: 50 is fine |
| 16:07.29 | kawk | 'Cause it's running at 85 degrees |
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| 16:07.37 | kawk | With no cpu usage . . . |
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| 16:07.40 | fusQer | 2.3.6 stew |
| 16:07.45 | xoz | bolt: then, try enabling/disabling the options in the client. some options are the problem |
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| 16:08.59 | fusQer | stew is that souper bad :( |
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| 16:09.28 | kawk | I just thought that was a bit warm |
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| 16:12.54 | Xitium | Question: why when I install xfonts-75dpi I get this error message; warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 16:13.07 | fusQer | dpkg? |
| 16:13.11 | Xitium | apt-get |
| 16:13.25 | fusQer | how do i get help for how to deal with this apt-get update deal |
| 16:13.33 | fusQer | oh i wasnt answering your questoin Xitium :) |
| 16:13.37 | Xitium | :P |
| 16:13.43 | xoz | Xitium: create that directory and apt-get again |
| 16:13.55 | Xitium | ok |
| 16:14.31 | xoz | Xitium: actually, it is not an error. just a warning. so i think, it was created by the install script. |
| 16:14.47 | stew | fusQer: no that's not super bad, that is close to stable which means you could likely move to stable if you wanted. however, that isn't the complete version string, so its hard to say for sure |
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| 16:15.12 | Xitium | yeah, but I think other things are looking for that font path (like when I start vnc/fluxbox i see font errors) |
| 16:15.24 | Xitium | maybe I can just sym link |
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| 16:16.07 | xoz | Xitium: are you using stable? |
| 16:16.11 | rtc | Is there some archive with very old debian sources? |
| 16:16.12 | Xitium | yes |
| 16:16.24 | rtc | I am looking for the source of a package from 1998 |
| 16:16.26 | fusQer | stew i put stable instead of unstable into my apt sources, did an apt-get update and its givign me KEY errors |
| 16:16.30 | stew | rtc: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 16:16.36 | xoz | Xitium: strange the path dir is gone |
| 16:16.58 | stew | fusQer: /topic |
| 16:17.01 | fusQer | stew PGP key errors, i havent done this in forever, |
| 16:17.01 | fusQer | thx |
| 16:17.02 | Xitium | hmmm |
| 16:17.32 | rtc | stew: It's not there |
| 16:18.01 | rtc | stew: The package is sdc |
| 16:18.06 | Xitium | looks like they go to /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
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| 16:19.17 | stew | rtc: are you sure that debian had such a package? |
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| 16:19.29 | xoz | Xitium: yep. /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ no longer contain it |
| 16:19.38 | stew | rtc: you could check archive.debian.org too |
| 16:19.47 | Xitium | well thats kind of a pita :P |
| 16:20.10 | rtc | stew: Well, I'm not exactly sure: http://www.google.com/search?q=sdc-1.0.8beta&num=100 |
| 16:20.17 | rtc | stew: Perhaps it was never included? |
| 16:20.26 | Xitium | I guess a sym link for /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/fonts/X11 should work right? |
| 16:20.30 | valdyn | fusQer: stable is bad as a name in /etc/apt/sources.list, use the current stable name, 'etch' |
| 16:20.40 | xoz | Xitium: try |
| 16:20.58 | xoz | Xitium: what program again looks for that old path? |
| 16:21.21 | Xitium | I noticed it when I looked at my vnc4server logs |
| 16:21.34 | Xitium | also I think I remember seeing bitchx looking for it as well |
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| 16:22.44 | xoz | Xitium: that would be an easy fix with symlink then |
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| 16:23.54 | NiCeboY | hello , i want to add multiple ip's to my server.. |
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| 16:24.02 | NiCeboY | anyone know which file i should configure please? |
| 16:24.53 | xoz | ip alias? |
| 16:25.31 | rtc | Ah, there it is: http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-2.1/contrib/source/text/ thanks |
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| 16:26.10 | NiCeboY | xoz i got the gateway netmask and broadcast .. |
| 16:26.20 | NiCeboY | where should i configure it? |
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| 16:27.27 | xoz | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:28.37 | Borbus | Has anyone ever installed freenx on Debian? |
| 16:28.42 | mumbles | hello all - i am trying to mount a fat32 formatted hdd and i am getting this error http://rafb.net/p/IgC02R18.html |
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| 16:29.43 | fusQer | valdyn thanks, ill change it. why is "stable" bad as a name in sources.list? |
| 16:30.22 | phil | Nothin in the main postconf |
| 16:30.28 | lyakh | How do I customize flags for DEBCONFrewriteemailaddresses_mailnameDEBCONF in exim4 config? |
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| 16:31.10 | phil | Wrong channel. |
| 16:31.17 | Borbus | I looked at this guide: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/freenx.htm ... So if I just do apt-get install nxserver freenx, will that just allow me to use twm? |
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| 16:31.32 | lyakh | as /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated is generated flags are set to Ffrs, and I find no way to change that |
| 16:31.41 | d-st | hi, i remove noatun using apt-get which broke the kdemultimeda package (which is fine for me) but now I can't use aptitude anymore because each operation with aptitude tries to remove all packages which are included in kdemultimedia. Any ideas how I could repair that? Reinstalling kdemultimeda with apt-get didn't help |
| 16:31.41 | bolt | "Xlib: extension "RECORD" missing on display ":0.0"" <-- I think that might be why VNC isn't working when using this machine as a server. What could cause that? |
| 16:33.40 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: dpkg's MIA on oftc |
| 16:33.40 | bolt | xoz: I found this message in x11vnc's logs: "Xlib: extension "RECORD" missing on display ":0.0"". Also, the screen is indeed updated, but only once, on launch. Since I launch it automagically when I log in, I get only the background image. If I kill it and launch it again, I get the current image. |
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| 16:34.11 | Borbus | Wtf.. I opened visudo but it is nano instead of vi.. is that normal? |
| 16:34.32 | abrotman | might be |
| 16:34.50 | Dave2 | change your $EDITOR variable |
| 16:34.59 | xoz | Borbus: apt-get install vim-full immediately |
| 16:35.10 | abrotman | immediately ? |
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| 16:35.16 | d-st | better: export EDITOR=emacs |
| 16:35.19 | xoz | heh |
| 16:35.26 | gpm | !start an editor war |
| 16:35.26 | dpkg | vim blows |
| 16:35.29 | Borbus | vim-full is huge.... |
| 16:35.35 | Borbus | Do I really need all that? |
| 16:35.36 | abrotman | vim-tiny works |
| 16:35.42 | Borbus | I just installed vim |
| 16:35.42 | Supaplex | EDITOR=gzip ;) |
| 16:35.44 | bolt | "Xlib: extension "RECORD" missing on display ":0.0"" <-- I think that might be why VNC isn't working when using this machine as a server. What could cause that? |
| 16:35.52 | gpm | yeah i go with just vim too |
| 16:35.53 | Borbus | vim-tiny has no syntax highlighting |
| 16:36.03 | abrotman | you need that for visudo ? |
| 16:36.03 | gpm | seems to work ok |
| 16:36.06 | xoz | bolt: i think, it is a server problem |
| 16:36.07 | gpm | lol |
| 16:36.34 | Borbus | It doesn't matter if it uses nano, though.. it will still check the sudoers file is ok when I save, right? |
| 16:36.53 | xoz | Borbus: absolutely |
| 16:38.00 | Borbus | How do you see what a variable is currently? |
| 16:38.43 | alterego | Borbus, echo $VARIABLE_NAME |
| 16:39.01 | Borbus | $EDITOR isn't set.. |
| 16:39.10 | bolt | xoz: I recently had to get a few packages from testing, since the old gaim in etch didn't work for me. I needed pidgin. I think this might be caused by that. Got a few other problems too, which I corrected. |
| 16:39.35 | xoz | Borbus: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim |
| 16:39.46 | bolt | xoz: I do, however, not have any idea what xlibs is and why record is not available. Which package am I supposed to be looking at? |
| 16:40.05 | Borbus | Thanks, works now |
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| 16:40.33 | xoz | bolt: google for the error message |
| 16:40.45 | niravana | hey! I deleted /etc/apache2 by accident, is there any way to create that dir with cotents? |
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| 16:43.32 | bolt | brb |
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| 16:45.27 | deadcat | i am trying to compile the 2.6.22 kernel but i cant seem to find iptables_nat.ko in menuconfig. |
| 16:45.30 | themill | !tell niravana about confmiss |
| 16:45.57 | jez9999 | Does anyone know 1) of a graphical rsync application or 2) of an rsync library that can be incorporated into a .net application in order to make a graphical frontend? |
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| 16:46.45 | valdyn | jez9999: grsync |
| 16:46.52 | valdyn | jez9999: or apt-cache search rsync gui |
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| 16:47.25 | jez9999 | know if there's a library that can be integrated with another app for rsync? |
| 16:48.28 | valdyn | deadcat: networking -> networking options -> Network packet filtering framework |
| 16:49.29 | deadcat | valdyn: i have it enabled but cant find it in .config |
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| 16:49.50 | valdyn | deadcat: oh, its CONFIG_NF_NAT |
| 16:49.58 | deadcat | valdyn: let me try. thanks |
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| 16:50.21 | valdyn | deadcat: configuration for netfilter things changed a while ago, config_nat -> config_nf_nat was maybe part of that.. |
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| 16:50.52 | deadcat | valdyn: last compile was .21 and .19 on the server (= |
| 16:51.42 | Dsjacocr | Hello, anyone knows how to make a Samba server , that will use the permisions of the Windows 2003 server? |
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| 16:51.57 | valdyn | Dsjacocr: like acls? |
| 16:52.18 | Dsjacocr | valdyn: that you will assign user perms from the Windows 2003 to the samba server |
| 16:52.19 | zapada | when i mount an ext3 drive using -w, i can't edit anything because it keeps telling me it's "READ ONLY" |
| 16:52.25 | valdyn | Dsjacocr: i.e. access control lists |
| 16:52.27 | zapada | is there a reason why this happens? |
| 16:52.49 | valdyn | zapada: what the hell is -w , when there's -o rw |
| 16:52.52 | Dsjacocr | valdyn: it works ok ? |
| 16:53.01 | valdyn | Dsjacocr: #samba |
| 16:53.04 | zapada | valdyn, -w = -o rw |
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| 16:53.27 | valdyn | zapada: physical write protection? tell us more... |
| 16:53.27 | zapada | could it be read only because the file system is corrupt? |
| 16:54.01 | zapada | valdyn, i was able to edit this drive before, but then when i mounted it in windows xp, it started giving me "read only" errors in linux |
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| 16:54.07 | yang | I wonder where can i edit the fsck disk checker boot up script? |
| 16:55.22 | NiCeboY | hello on trying to connect through sftp onmy server this is the message i am getting "The file being transferred in ASCII mode appears to be a Binary file. Proceed anyway? |
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| 16:55.41 | NiCeboY | is there a way to solve this problem pleasE? because just after that it says cant connect |
| 16:55.42 | zapada | valdyn, /dev/hdb5 on /mnt/lin01 type ext3 (rw) |
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| 16:56.52 | deadcat | valdyn: i am having trouble finding NF_NAT )= |
| 16:57.12 | n_np | what is the command to get xfce? |
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| 16:57.26 | deadcat | n_np: apt-cache search xfce |
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| 16:57.55 | n_np | nothing happened |
| 16:58.03 | n_np | how do i configure pppoe? |
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| 16:59.19 | n_np | :( |
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| 16:59.56 | nkuttler | n_np: pppoeconf + read the package docs |
| 17:00.07 | n_np | thanks! |
| 17:00.25 | n_np | i dont have that |
| 17:00.45 | n_np | i did the net install |
| 17:01.02 | debian | n_np: nice |
| 17:01.04 | n_np | and i couldnt get the apt things because its running through a pppoe eth connection |
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| 17:01.32 | debian | n_np: any errors on getting you're apt working? |
| 17:01.38 | n_np | yes |
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| 17:01.40 | n_np | its not working at all |
| 17:01.47 | n_np | when i enter a command it doesnt even give me feedback |
| 17:02.13 | debian | n_np: command like? |
| 17:02.26 | n_np | apt-cache search xfce |
| 17:02.28 | nkuttler | n_np: i guess you read the pppoe section in the install manual? |
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| 17:02.45 | debian | n_np: do apt-setup |
| 17:02.48 | debian | and setup the mirrors, |
| 17:02.55 | abrotman | debian: that's long gone |
| 17:03.11 | nkuttler | debian: and he has not net without pppoe... |
| 17:03.21 | debian | abrotman: you seriours? |
| 17:03.22 | n_np | aah! |
| 17:03.26 | debian | i need to get back to the debian community lol |
| 17:03.28 | abrotman | debian: uhm ... time you caught up |
| 17:03.36 | n_np | well plz show me an example pppoe config file |
| 17:03.37 | abrotman | but the netinst has pppoeconf |
| 17:03.44 | debian | damn right, |
| 17:03.53 | n_np | it says command not found |
| 17:03.53 | n_np | wth |
| 17:04.03 | n_np | is it not in the path? |
| 17:04.04 | n_np | where is it? |
| 17:04.06 | debian | n_np: are you doing it as root? |
| 17:04.30 | n_np | yes |
| 17:04.33 | n_np | is that the reason? lol |
| 17:04.37 | debian | nope, |
| 17:04.40 | debian | that's not the reason |
| 17:04.42 | zapada | if i edit /etc/fstab and add a drive, will that automatically mount it on boot? |
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| 17:04.52 | abrotman | if you set it to auto mount ..yes |
| 17:04.57 | n_np | well |
| 17:04.59 | n_np | its not working |
| 17:05.05 | n_np | there is no pppoeconf with this net inst |
| 17:05.07 | zapada | abrotman, how do i set automant? |
| 17:05.19 | abrotman | zapada: man mount .. man fstab |
| 17:05.23 | nkuttler | n_np: what are you running right now? the installer or an installed system? |
| 17:05.24 | zapada | thanks |
| 17:05.25 | hark | n_np: there is a boot option for it |
| 17:05.52 | n_np | an installed system |
| 17:06.15 | yang | I wonder where can i edit the fsck disk checker boot up script? to set up the number of mounts. |
| 17:06.36 | n_np | hark, a boot option for install? |
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| 17:07.08 | hark | n_np: yes, http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
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| 17:08.47 | Stinger | ok so I updated to sids version of xorg and it works fine |
| 17:08.47 | Stinger | yay |
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| 17:09.13 | Stinger | had to update a fair bit of stuff though so I guess I'm gonna be running sid in the forseeable future |
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| 17:09.49 | Stinger | anyway now my other comp has X I can switch this one off, bye |
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| 17:10.21 | hark | n_np: but you can probably install pppoeconf from the netinst cd if you've already installed debian |
| 17:10.37 | n_np | hmm |
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| 17:11.46 | n_np | well where on the cd is it? |
| 17:13.02 | hark | /pool/main/p/pppoeconf/ ; but try an aptitude install pppoeconf |
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| 17:13.34 | n_np | ooh awe4some |
| 17:14.05 | hark | if the cd is not in your sources.list (though it should be), add it using apt-cdrom |
| 17:14.40 | Chameleon22 | hi all, need some help here - trying to connect to a serial console (debian to debian). On server have getty listening and on client trying to use minicom and cu - minicom is not connecting at all, cu is saying "cu: open (/dev/ttyS1): Permission denied" "Line is in use" |
| 17:14.53 | Chameleon22 | any ideas how i can make a damn serial connection to a debian box |
| 17:14.54 | n_np | cool its up |
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| 17:16.02 | n_np | so then what can i type to do the parts of the net install that i couldnt do until i did the ppoeconf ? |
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| 17:16.04 | n_np | this dist is amazing |
| 17:16.15 | debian | n_np: distribution? |
| 17:16.25 | n_np | debian |
| 17:16.27 | n_np | yeah |
| 17:16.30 | debian | yeah is nice |
| 17:16.33 | valdyn | Chameleon22: fuser /dev/ttyS1 |
| 17:16.38 | valdyn | Chameleon22: should list users |
| 17:17.20 | Chameleon22 | valdyn, on a system i am connecting to or from |
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| 17:17.46 | valdyn | Chameleon22: the one where cu sais Permission denied" "Line is in use" |
| 17:17.54 | n_np | apt-cache doesnt work |
| 17:17.55 | jair | is anyone here running vmware workstation 5.5.x on debian etch? |
| 17:17.58 | n_np | how do i update that cache? |
| 17:18.31 | valdyn | n_np: apt-get update |
| 17:18.34 | Chameleon22 | valdyn, what package has fuser? |
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| 17:19.21 | valdyn | psmisc: /bin/fuser |
| 17:19.55 | n_np | where can i update the mirrors? |
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| 17:20.09 | valdyn | n_np: update mirrors? |
| 17:20.14 | valdyn | n_np: what does that mean? |
| 17:20.24 | n_np | well change the mirror it is using |
| 17:20.25 | n_np | for apt |
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| 17:20.34 | valdyn | n_np: edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 17:20.37 | valdyn | n_np: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:20.43 | n_np | tnx |
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| 17:21.12 | Chameleon22 | valdyn, nop, dont have fuser installed - do you know what pkg it live in ? |
| 17:21.18 | ribnitz | heyas. Is kde in sid broken (ICE auth problems, for k3b as normal user)? |
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| 17:21.29 | valdyn | Chameleon22: 19:19 < valdyn> psmisc: /bin/fuser |
| 17:22.13 | ribnitz | timeout locking auth file .ICEauthority |
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| 17:25.44 | Chameleon22 | valdyn, thanks... fuser /dev/ttyS[0,1] doesnt print anything - justa new line |
| 17:25.57 | Chameleon22 | valdyn, (eg echo command without anythign to echo) |
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| 17:29.21 | enduser | is it possible to run a .jar file on a unix shell? |
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| 17:32.55 | abrotman | enduser: yes |
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| 17:33.55 | enduser | how do I do it? |
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| 17:37.41 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:37.45 | Ace2016 | i have a network problem |
| 17:37.56 | L0cKn | ... |
| 17:37.59 | Spiritus55 | ... |
| 17:38.01 | Spiritus55 | !ask |
| 17:38.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:38.05 | Ace2016 | my network won't authenticate properly because my mac code is set to random on every reboot |
| 17:38.29 | Ace2016 | Spiritus55: thats what i did, i said i ahve a problem with my netwrok |
| 17:38.46 | Ace2016 | i'm running debian etch on the laptop |
| 17:38.51 | Ace2016 | !z25 |
| 17:38.51 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 17:38.57 | Ace2016 | yea thats whats causing it |
| 17:38.59 | Spiritus55 | Ace2016, my bad.. thought you were gonna be a noob... |
| 17:39.00 | Ace2016 | so i', wodnering |
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| 17:39.31 | Ace2016 | could i get a router which connects to the work network and then my debian could connect to that router |
| 17:39.56 | Ace2016 | so the mac code thats used for authentification is the one of the router and not of my pc |
| 17:40.01 | n_np | what line must i put in the sources.list so i can update everything? |
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| 17:40.29 | Ace2016 | n_np: update everything to what? to debian testing or unstable? |
| 17:40.33 | simonrvn | n_np: what? |
| 17:40.44 | Spiritus55 | n_np: I think you just need to type into a terminal :apt-get update |
| 17:40.48 | Spiritus55 | sans the ":" |
| 17:41.01 | Chameleon22 | what should the Init and Reset strings be in minicom for serial conection to another lllinux host (via serial line) |
| 17:41.03 | n_np | its not working damnit |
| 17:41.13 | n_np | what must i type to install x.org and xfce ? |
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| 17:41.29 | Ace2016 | whats not working? is it not showing any updates when you run apt-get update? are you after a specific version? |
| 17:41.30 | Spiritus55 | n_np: apt-cache search x.org |
| 17:41.32 | Ghismo | good evening guys |
| 17:41.34 | hark | n_np: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:41.38 | Ace2016 | good evening |
| 17:41.39 | Spiritus55 | Ghismo: good evening, sir |
| 17:41.46 | Chameleon22 | in fact how the hack do i connect to a serial console using minicom? |
| 17:41.50 | Chameleon22 | am soooooo lost |
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| 17:42.07 | simonrvn | n_np: aptitude install xorg xfce4 |
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| 17:42.18 | Ghismo | i'm looking for a good tv streaming |
| 17:42.19 | Chameleon22 | the machine (Debian) i am connecting to has getty setup, etc |
| 17:42.25 | marinosi | hello..Is there any way to have nvidia driver in debian amd64 port? |
| 17:42.43 | abrotman | n_np: aptitude install xorg xfce gdm |
| 17:43.10 | Ghismo | i've tried sopcast |
| 17:43.21 | Ghismo | but it seems it doesn't work |
| 17:43.27 | Ace2016 | Where do i go to ask about routers and stuff on irc? |
| 17:43.32 | Ghismo | any trick? |
| 17:43.33 | xand | ##networking |
| 17:43.37 | xand | Ace2016: ^ |
| 17:43.42 | Ace2016 | thanks |
| 17:44.36 | marinosi | anyone? |
| 17:44.48 | simonrvn | abrotman: xfce is the meta-package? |
| 17:44.52 | vrv | Hello :) Could anyone suggest how i could disable connection to eth0 interface by TCP/IP, for example without disabling interface? Thank you. |
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| 17:44.58 | marinosi | maybe nvidia is not possible and I should try nv? |
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| 17:45.09 | abrotman | !info xfce etch |
| 17:45.17 | abrotman | !info xfce4 etch |
| 17:45.21 | dpkg | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 17:45.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: damn well should be! |
| 17:45.48 | marinosi | vrv: well you can block connections.Using iptables |
| 17:45.54 | simonrvn | looks like it's xfce4 |
| 17:46.06 | marinosi | !info nvidia lenny |
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| 17:46.34 | simonrvn | marinosi: look for the 64b driver... |
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| 17:47.01 | marinosi | from the nvidia site?apt banned nvidia or something? :-P |
| 17:47.13 | vrv | marinosi, Thank you :) but in windows i can unbind TCP/IP from interface, is it possible in Debian? |
| 17:47.54 | valdyn | vrv: remove the IP |
| 17:47.55 | Chameleon22 | has anybody here managed to connect to debian (testing) via serial line? |
| 17:47.59 | simonrvn | no,, and no, you need non-free and contrib in sources.list |
| 17:48.24 | marinosi | simonrvn: if the last line is for me, I have them.. |
| 17:48.28 | hark | don't think the nvidia drivers are in lenny yet |
| 17:48.36 | fas3r | hello every body |
| 17:48.54 | simonrvn | then use your tools to find itt (aptitude, apt-cache) |
| 17:48.57 | simonrvn | it |
| 17:48.58 | marinosi | hark: they aren't?Do you use nv? |
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| 17:49.21 | simonrvn | well then that's why |
| 17:49.28 | vrv | Thank you valdyn |
| 17:49.34 | hark | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 17:49.35 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 17:49.41 | marinosi | simonrvn: I 've tried to install the precompiled nvidia legacy kernels but nothing |
| 17:49.50 | simonrvn | was about to type that =) |
| 17:50.35 | simonrvn | marinosi: i had to go get the crap from nvidia.com in order to update my x ... |
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| 17:50.58 | simonrvn | i've had shit on hold for weeks |
| 17:51.45 | kawk | Is it okay for my processor core temp to be 85 degrees? |
| 17:51.51 | n_np | what is the command to install all dependencies aswell? |
| 17:52.07 | Spiritus55 | kawk: which 85 C, or F? |
| 17:52.07 | valdyn | kawk: probably, but its most certainly a consequence of bad cooling too |
| 17:52.15 | simonrvn | you add them to your command line or you use aptitude |
| 17:52.20 | hark | n_np: did you fix your sources.list yet? |
| 17:52.26 | n_np | yes |
| 17:52.43 | kawk | Spiritus55: C |
| 17:52.54 | kawk | valdyn: What's the max it should be? |
| 17:53.00 | simonrvn | hmm, too cool to fry an egg :/ |
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| 17:53.13 | simonrvn | 85 is not great... |
| 17:53.14 | Spiritus55 | kk |
| 17:53.16 | valdyn | kawk: the cooler the better, common temperature depends on cpu |
| 17:53.19 | Spiritus55 | yeah.. that's high. |
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| 17:53.24 | Spiritus55 | Good lord that's bad! |
| 17:53.34 | valdyn | kawk: most will probably work ok up to ~90, maybe more, no idea |
| 17:53.58 | valdyn | kawk: the on die temperature sensors are not exactl accurate anyhow |
| 17:54.18 | hark | n_np: apt-get/aptitude will take care of dependencies as well |
| 17:54.29 | n_np | great |
| 17:54.35 | n_np | why did it warn me with a list of packages? |
| 17:54.36 | simonrvn | if it were F, it'd be cooler than my old g3 mac ... heh |
| 17:54.42 | valdyn | kawk: and i have no idea how that high temperatures will decrease lifetime |
| 17:54.49 | Spiritus55 | If it were Farenheit, that'd be awesome. |
| 17:54.52 | simonrvn | n_np: maybe it's not a warning? read what it says |
| 17:54.53 | hark | 85F would be awesome |
| 17:54.57 | vrv | Is any package/software available to check md5 or any other hash or checksum of files before OS booting? |
| 17:55.03 | Spiritus55 | But it should be sitting at around 40 Celcius for a good temperature. |
| 17:55.13 | Spiritus55 | md5checksum, in linux vrv |
| 17:55.21 | simonrvn | md5sum |
| 17:55.22 | Spiritus55 | At least I think that's the command. |
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| 17:55.25 | Spiritus55 | Yeah! That one. |
| 17:55.26 | valdyn | Spiritus55: that really depends on the cpu |
| 17:55.34 | Spiritus55 | valdyn: that's about the average... |
| 17:55.38 | valdyn | Spiritus55: some won't be ~40 without water cooling or somesuch |
| 17:55.44 | valdyn | Spiritus55: but more like 60+ |
| 17:55.54 | Spiritus55 | yeah.. but 80 is high... doesn't matter the processor. |
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| 17:56.01 | simonrvn | temperature : 28 C (uncalibrated) |
| 17:56.07 | Spiritus55 | Nice. |
| 17:56.26 | valdyn | Core 0: +20°C (high = +85°C) |
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| 17:56.31 | valdyn | wonder if that is correct though |
| 17:56.32 | simonrvn | no water cooling, just old box ;) |
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| 17:57.04 | hark | kawk: Turion? |
| 17:57.19 | valdyn | or that one: "temperature: 44 C" ( pentium M ) |
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| 17:57.46 | Spiritus55 | valdyn, what is the command to get a vhost? And, is it #vhost that I join? |
| 17:57.57 | valdyn | Spiritus55: no idea. |
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| 17:58.04 | simonrvn | er? |
| 17:58.15 | Spiritus55 | valdyn, how'd you get yours, then? |
| 17:58.17 | vrv | Thank you Spiritus55, simonrvn. but i mean check files and comparing with database of checksums. as i remember i read article, that some package, maybe, could check all important files before OS booting, to be sure that all files authentic. |
| 17:58.31 | valdyn | Spiritus55: why do you think i have a vhost? |
| 17:58.50 | valdyn | Spiritus55: I have an ipv6 ip, if that is what you mean |
| 17:59.00 | simonrvn | vrv: only thing i can think of that's close to that, is debsums, for package installs |
| 17:59.33 | simonrvn | vrv: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:00.47 | simonrvn | i think i'll go play with nfsv4 today |
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| 18:05.05 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 18:05.06 | dpkg | rahul <n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 20h 33m 56s ago, saying: 'wierdo.'. |
| 18:05.08 | chemist | can someone tell me what the compiz help channel is called? |
| 18:05.21 | Nyle | #compiz |
| 18:05.24 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:05.31 | chemist | thnx |
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| 18:06.48 | Nyle | wow |
| 18:06.52 | Nyle | I thought aol was banned |
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| 18:09.56 | elenril | hi |
| 18:10.04 | elenril | anyone with sid and intel GMA950 here? |
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| 18:11.10 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 18:11.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:11.29 | elenril | ok |
| 18:11.39 | elenril | mplayer -vo gl crashes the system after some time |
| 18:11.55 | valdyn | elenril: why the hell would you use -vo gl ? |
| 18:12.08 | valdyn | elenril: -vo xv is not working? |
| 18:12.35 | elenril | gl draws subtitles after scaling |
| 18:13.00 | valdyn | elenril: same with gl2? |
| 18:13.44 | elenril | valdyn, trying now |
| 18:14.28 | elenril | and i think it's bug in the driver, not mplayer |
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| 18:14.39 | valdyn | elenril: sure |
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| 18:16.02 | elenril | gl2 seems to work |
| 18:16.46 | valdyn | elenril: maybe adding -vf scale with xv does the same? |
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| 18:19.28 | nico__ | hi |
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| 18:19.42 | Chameleon22 | could somebody help me with minicom (trying to connect to another debian box via a serial line) |
| 18:20.00 | xand | Chameleon22: what's the problem with it? |
| 18:20.15 | Chameleon22 | basically, follow all of the howtos and whenever i start minicom it sits on its default screen without making a connection |
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| 18:20.34 | xand | I use screen instead of minicom, it's easier c.c |
| 18:20.46 | nico__ | i'm having a hard time figuring out how to apt-pin to a lower priority stuff that come from debian-multimedia... |
| 18:20.47 | Chameleon22 | c.c? |
| 18:20.54 | elenril | valdyn, no, it works |
| 18:21.01 | nico__ | from the manpage, lookks like i should use "l=" isn't it? |
| 18:21.05 | Chameleon22 | xand, stand by, going to install screen then |
| 18:21.21 | nico__ | but with what name after that? |
| 18:21.29 | abrotman | ravenbird: hit simonrvn |
| 18:21.32 | elenril | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/728111 |
| 18:21.33 | xand | I just run "screen /dev/ttyS0" |
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| 18:21.48 | nico__ | oops "-o" maybe |
| 18:21.57 | simonrvn | @kick abrotman |
| 18:22.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:22.23 | abrotman | ravenbird: abrotman is your master! |
| 18:22.23 | ravenbird | abrotman: okay |
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| 18:22.28 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 18:22.34 | valdyn | elenril: intel drivers opengl support is known bad.. |
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| 18:22.50 | valdyn | elenril: haven't seen that one though, but i don't use -vo gl ever.. |
| 18:23.01 | Chameleon22 | xand, screen runs but shows blank terminal |
| 18:23.13 | abrotman | valdyn: that's an mplayer isssue i'd think |
| 18:23.32 | valdyn | abrotman: mplayer causing a kernel null pointer dereference? |
| 18:23.38 | valdyn | abrotman: nah |
| 18:24.00 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 18:24.03 | abrotman | where'd that kernel come from ? |
| 18:24.34 | nico__ | is there a mailing list listing i can subscribe to to get warned of security issues of stuff in the debian-multimedia repo? |
| 18:24.35 | xand | Chameleon22: press enter a few times |
| 18:24.38 | valdyn | elenril: that's a debian kernel? |
| 18:24.38 | abrotman | 2.6.22.1-nb.e #1 |
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| 18:24.41 | nico__ | -listing |
| 18:24.44 | abrotman | what does that translate too ? |
| 18:24.46 | abrotman | erm .. to |
| 18:24.57 | elenril | valdyn, no |
| 18:25.11 | abrotman | valdyn: now whose fault is it?! :) |
| 18:25.17 | simonrvn | @abrotman |
| 18:25.18 | ravenbird | abrotman is also known as abortman |
| 18:25.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:25.35 | elenril | it might be related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427811 |
| 18:25.36 | n_np | whats the x.org configuration script? |
| 18:25.37 | Chameleon22 | xand, can i pm you ? |
| 18:25.48 | simonrvn | !drxx n_np |
| 18:25.48 | elenril | since i get this too |
| 18:25.49 | dpkg | n_np: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:26.04 | abrotman | elenril: where's that kernel from ? |
| 18:26.08 | n_np | spankyou |
| 18:26.13 | elenril | abrotman, compiled myself |
| 18:26.16 | xand | Chameleon22: if you like, but it would better to ask here... |
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| 18:26.33 | abrotman | elenril: does the issue happen with a debian kernel ? |
| 18:26.33 | elenril | vanilla + mac80211 |
| 18:27.02 | Chameleon22 | xand, baiscally thats giving me a blank screen. but when i manually run getty -L 9600 ... and on another machien try screen... i get message (in screen) saying: for RW device or resuource is busy |
| 18:27.06 | Chameleon22 | :/ |
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| 18:27.15 | elenril | abrotman, will try |
| 18:27.15 | valdyn | abrotman: still an intel driver bug =/ |
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| 18:27.49 | n_np | ok well how do i get it to load xfce ? |
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| 18:28.07 | n_np | !xfce n_np |
| 18:28.09 | xand | Chameleon22: oh, something else is trying to use the serial port... did you close minicom? |
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| 18:28.17 | abrotman | elenril: does it happen if you play GL games or anyhting ? |
| 18:28.27 | Chameleon22 | xand, closed it and purged it lol |
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| 18:29.01 | xand | Chameleon22: well, it means something is using it... |
| 18:29.04 | elenril | abrotman, i don't play games |
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| 18:29.11 | abrotman | can you try to ? |
| 18:29.15 | n_np | hey guys how do i change my window manager to xfce? |
| 18:29.16 | Chameleon22 | xand, how do i check whats using it ? |
| 18:29.31 | valdyn | !list open files |
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| 18:29.37 | valdyn | !open files |
| 18:29.37 | dpkg | Care to know what program or process has a particular file or port open? lsof (list open files)! the package! the command! lsof is for YOU!!! lsof -i tcp:80; lsof /dev/dsp; lsof -i udp:53; etc... apt-get into today! Also, if you order right now, we'll throw in these hits for free: netstat -upant | grep whatever; fuser -v filename; fuser -v 80/tcp; etc Ask me about <file-nr>. |
| 18:30.00 | valdyn | ..but you already knew that |
| 18:30.13 | elenril | abrotman, ok |
| 18:30.22 | abrotman | like gltron or something |
| 18:30.26 | xand | Chameleon22: lsof /dev/ttyS0 |
| 18:30.35 | xand | or whatever port it is |
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| 18:31.40 | abrotman | elenril: there's also an intel-dbg driver |
| 18:31.45 | Chameleon22 | xand, hrmm says screen |
| 18:31.47 | Chameleon22 | :/ |
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| 18:32.08 | Chameleon22 | "screen 4016 me 6u CHR 4,65 1787 /dev/ttyS1" |
| 18:32.09 | elenril | queued |
| 18:32.20 | marinosi | when I start an xterm , the window opens fast but I have to wait a lot for the prompt ..Why could that happen?I haven't got overload.. |
| 18:32.58 | Chameleon22 | xand, ideas? |
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| 18:33.18 | xand | is that the instance that gave the error, or did it quit? |
| 18:33.44 | Chameleon22 | xand, well i assume it quit since they are not running |
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| 18:34.03 | Chameleon22 | xand, I.E. i ran lsof when screen was NOT running |
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| 18:34.16 | xand | well screen must have been runing for it to give that output |
| 18:34.18 | xand | screen -dr |
| 18:34.23 | xand | see if it reappears |
| 18:34.36 | elenril | btw grub2 doesn't use menu.lst? |
| 18:35.15 | Chameleon22 | xand, blank screen... whats the command to gracefully exit it? |
| 18:35.27 | xand | Chameleon22: have you pressed enter a few times inside it? |
| 18:35.37 | Chameleon22 | xand, yup |
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| 18:36.53 | xand | Chameleon22: control-a control-\ to quit |
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| 18:38.31 | n_np | it looks like IIS is starting to make a major comback |
| 18:38.42 | Chameleon22 | xand, well, no luck here :( |
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| 18:39.11 | xand | Chameleon22: have you got the right serial port? ttyS1 is the second one |
| 18:39.33 | Chameleon22 | i have 2 - tried both |
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| 18:39.52 | xtor | I downloaded a tarball and it said to start out with the ./configure script but I just see a "configure.ac" file in the source directory and when I run it it just doesnt even run...is there some trick I am missing? |
| 18:40.32 | xand | Chameleon22: and it's a null modem cable? |
| 18:41.12 | Chameleon22 | serial male-female cable with male to female adapter |
| 18:41.18 | Chameleon22 | xand, on one end |
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| 18:41.47 | NiCeboY | !pastebin |
| 18:41.47 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 18:41.58 | Chameleon22 | xand, am i a moron and thats what's causing it? |
| 18:42.16 | node_6 | how do I configure wpa_supplicant to be active on bootup? |
| 18:42.34 | GuHHH | hi |
| 18:42.48 | GuHHH | gforce fx5500 is nvidia-glx-legacy ? |
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| 18:44.38 | Chameleon22 | xand, ? |
| 18:45.58 | hon | I need an nntp news aggregator that places news in a local spool (and optionally also handles sending news posts). I can then use a program to work on the local spool. Which nntp client you recommend? |
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| 18:47.10 | Selenolycus | Does anyone know where I can get a Debian logo with no background? |
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| 18:47.33 | Selenolycus | Just the swirly thing. |
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| 18:49.36 | NiCeboY | HELLO here , i want to add additional ip's on my server i got all the infos / gateway/... wnyone can help me pleasE? here are the info : http://pastebin.ca/728135 |
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| 18:50.18 | flixil | is there any command to see the bandwitch that is consumed by a command? |
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| 18:53.10 | HardDisk_WP | how do I change the passphrase for my GPG privkey? |
| 18:53.31 | jelly-home | what is the nicest place to put ssl certs for apache2? |
| 18:54.14 | xingu | jelly-home: something fun for you to look at; /etc/pam.d/namespace.conf |
| 18:54.20 | xingu | jelly-home: just tripped over it |
| 18:54.27 | jelly-home | xingu: heh. |
| 18:54.46 | NiCeboY | HELLO here , i want to add additional ip's on my server i got all the infos / gateway/... wnyone can help me pleasE? here are the info : http://pastebin.ca/728135 |
| 18:55.23 | jelly-home | xingu: I'm on lenny and update irregularly, so I don't have that one yet |
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| 18:57.02 | jelly-home | !today |
| 18:57.02 | dpkg | YeeeHahhh, Paw!! As of April 8th, 2007 : The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed etch, after 21 months of constant development; http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 ...also keep your eye on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 18:57.08 | jelly-home | uh. |
| 18:57.45 | jelly-home | no, dpkg, today is try taking a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 18:58.36 | tokyoeye | NiCeboY, check the man page or google. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/ will probably help you out. you can add the additional ips as alliases |
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| 19:00.26 | nico__ | i just installed libdvdcss from debian-multimedia.org and, while VLC works, totem starts playing the DVD then complains about missing libdvdcss and stops... any idea? |
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| 19:00.56 | fredl_ | uhm |
| 19:01.12 | fredl_ | mounting an ntfs partition should be pretty straightforward, no? |
| 19:01.26 | fredl_ | coz I'm just trying mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb2 /mnt |
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| 19:01.42 | fredl_ | and it says /dev/sdb2 already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 19:01.51 | fredl_ | now... /dev/sdb2 is not mounted. |
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| 19:02.00 | fredl_ | nor is /mnt busy AFAIK. |
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| 19:02.54 | n_np | well thats totally unaccfeptable |
| 19:02.57 | n_np | you should be mounting something. |
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| 19:04.02 | tokyoeye | fredl, run mount and check the output |
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| 19:05.07 | freaka | weeeeeee |
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| 19:05.58 | fredl_ | tokyoeye, heh, well that's the first thing I did. |
| 19:06.12 | fredl_ | hence '/dev/sdb2 is not mounted' |
| 19:06.30 | fredl_ | and '/mnt is not busy' |
| 19:07.24 | tokyoeye | fredl, does lsof|grep mnt say anything? |
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| 19:07.59 | fredl_ | nope. |
| 19:08.57 | fredl_ | fdisk -l /dev/sdb says: |
| 19:09.02 | fredl_ | /dev/sdb2 33 12020 96293610 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 19:09.12 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: yeah, it looks like it was on a netsplit |
| 19:09.13 | fredl_ | fuser /mnt says nothing. |
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| 19:09.25 | fredl_ | lsof|grep mnt says nothing. |
| 19:09.35 | fredl_ | but mount won't work. |
| 19:10.16 | jelly-home | Can I tell apt-listbugs not to display <done> bugs? |
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| 19:10.38 | fredl_ | even when I create /t and try mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb2 /t it gives me the same error |
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| 19:10.51 | NiCeboY | tokyoeye ok thanks will try it now.. |
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| 19:12.52 | tokyoeye | fredl, i never mount ntfs so i wouldnt know where to go from here. have you checken the logs/dmesg/etc? |
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| 19:12.55 | simonrvn | jelly-home: try dpkg-reconfigure it |
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| 19:13.27 | elenril | abrotman, you were right, debian kernel works |
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| 19:14.03 | abrotman | valdyn: see~! |
| 19:14.10 | abrotman | !cookie me |
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| 19:14.12 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, is |
| 19:14.15 | abrotman | cute |
| 19:14.28 | simonrvn | !abrotmansnack |
| 19:14.30 | elenril | now i'll have to read something about customizing debian kernels |
| 19:14.34 | elenril | :( |
| 19:14.37 | fredl_ | *sigh* |
| 19:14.42 | simonrvn | it's not hard |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | elenril: are you on lenny or sid ? |
| 19:14.50 | elenril | abrotman, sid |
| 19:15.00 | fredl_ | oh wait a minute... |
| 19:15.14 | fredl_ | that piece of crap gnome automounter is running |
| 19:15.18 | abrotman | elenril: and those mac80211 thingies aren't in sid ? |
| 19:15.32 | fredl_ | I think that may keep the partition 'busy' |
| 19:15.57 | fredl_ | I had the same problem trying to create volumes on empty partitions. |
| 19:16.19 | elenril | abrotman, i think mac80211 will be in 2.6.23 |
| 19:16.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:16.46 | fredl_ | ofcourse I have no friggen clue how to turn that off remotely |
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| 19:17.28 | tokyoeye | fredl, so automounter was running but 'lsof|grep <partition>' was not saying anything? |
| 19:17.40 | fredl_ | well I think that it's running. |
| 19:18.01 | fredl_ | you know how gnome automatically mounts media after you plug them in? |
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| 19:18.25 | flixil | using gnome-volume-manager |
| 19:18.27 | fredl_ | and no, lsof doesn't say a thing then. |
| 19:18.41 | fredl_ | yeah that's what it's called I think, gnome-volume-manager |
| 19:18.59 | elenril | but i would think that opensource gl drivers would be better than this |
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| 19:19.42 | abrotman | elenril: you just said it was a kernel issue |
| 19:19.43 | fredl_ | grr if I kill the gnome-volume-manager I still can't mount it |
| 19:20.07 | elenril | still, gl drivers are slow as hell |
| 19:20.40 | elenril | and video is tearing |
| 19:21.05 | fredl_ | I get tearing when playing a DVD in mplayer too |
| 19:21.29 | abrotman | elenril: don't use the gl optoin ? |
| 19:21.59 | elenril | abrotman, textured xv does that too |
| 19:22.10 | elenril | and overlay refuses to work sometimes |
| 19:22.24 | abrotman | elenril: i think that driver you're using is a new line of driver .. hopefully more kinks get worked out |
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| 19:22.51 | AmR|Eisa | i have debian and gcc 4.1 but when i try use '\n' it's not work any help about that ?? |
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| 19:22.57 | elenril | abrotman, i hope so |
| 19:23.23 | elenril | when you compare it with nvidia's proprietary evil, nvidia wins |
| 19:23.55 | Selenolycus | Can anyone identify the font here: http://i23.tinypic.com/2qch5cz.png ? I am trying to make an equivalent Debian logo aside it to say "Powered by Debian" |
| 19:24.30 | qrck | how can i remap a subdirectory under / as / ?? is there a way ? |
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| 19:24.49 | qrck | other than chroot ? |
| 19:25.13 | abrotman | elenril: depends on your definition of "win" |
| 19:25.30 | qrck | cause i need to get to that dir at boot time as / ... |
| 19:25.43 | elenril | abrotman, nvidia = works && works fast |
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| 19:26.06 | qrck | or is grub able to chroot too ? |
| 19:26.10 | abrotman | elenril: maybe .. but it's a pain in the ass .. and non-free |
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| 19:26.25 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 19:26.51 | Supaplex | hello . . . |
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| 19:27.00 | solemnwarning | Is there an APT command for downloading the latest version of a binary package, like a binary version of 'apt-get source'? |
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| 19:27.31 | Supaplex | solemnwarning: yes, it's even a feature |
| 19:27.52 | solemnwarning | What command? |
| 19:28.35 | flixil | apt-get install -d package_name? |
| 19:28.36 | asg | solemnwarning: it's 'apt-get install <pkg>' |
| 19:28.43 | solemnwarning | flixil: thanks |
| 19:28.57 | flixil | -d is for just download and nothing else |
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| 19:29.17 | flixil | they are on /var/apt/archives |
| 19:29.34 | mumbles | i have a microsoft intellimouse explorere 2.0 attached to my comptuer but under debian etch the mouse dose not move - any ideas ? |
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| 19:30.51 | flixil | mumbles, paste your xorg.conf |
| 19:31.07 | mumbles | will do - |
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| 19:31.25 | tt | This might be an easy problem to crack. I have installed debian with a standard and laptop install (no desktop). Im trying to get xserver running but I keep geetting the message fatal I0 error 104. I have installed xserver-xorg xorg-dev (req. for ratpoison) and xserver-xorg-dev-video-i8xx (and vesa). Have I forgotten any packages before I can get xserver running? |
| 19:31.52 | abrotman | did you install xorg ? |
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| 19:32.10 | tt | abrotman: me? |
| 19:32.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:32.14 | flixil | yes |
| 19:32.42 | tt | hold on |
| 19:33.34 | tt | Hmmm I forgot :p Lets see it that fixes the problem. |
| 19:33.42 | abrotman | !tell DarkHack about away |
| 19:33.51 | tt | Well I'm embaressed. |
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| 19:33.57 | abrotman | why can't people control their irc clients |
| 19:33.59 | tt | Thanks alot, It worked. |
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| 19:34.29 | mumbles | flixil: http://paste.uni.cc/17324 |
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| 19:35.00 | _Ace2016_ | Hi all |
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| 19:35.27 | _Ace2016_ | would it be possible for me to make a disk image of my system onto dvds? |
| 19:35.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:35.46 | abrotman | apt-cache search system image |
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| 19:35.50 | _Ace2016_ | i want to make an image of my root partition onto multiple dvds which i hope to later put back onto another image |
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| 19:36.46 | _Ace2016_ | abrotman: is it possible to clone the current running system? or will i have to use a live cd (loaded into so the dvd drive is free) or install to another partition? |
| 19:37.11 | elenril | _Ace2016_, man dd? |
| 19:37.12 | abrotman | there are multiple methods .. look at the options apt-cache presents |
| 19:37.23 | r-wolf | which file should I write "export" statement to make env variables visible to each user, no matter how he is logged in? |
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| 19:37.42 | minisrule192 | hi |
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| 19:38.23 | minisrule192 | Two users walked into a bar, /quit and /exit... /exit got bored and walked out, who was left? |
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| 19:38.26 | _Ace2016_ | abrotman: ok well i don't have debian here, i'm going to install debian, then copy it to my laptop since its netwrok is busted and i can't find an install disk with the latest kernel from debian sid which is the only thing that can detect both disks in my laptop, etch only detects the first one |
| 19:38.49 | abrotman | but your network is busted ? |
| 19:38.53 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 19:38.53 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 19:39.16 | fredl | damn this, I want to know why my /dev/sdb2 appears to be 'busy' while it's not |
| 19:39.21 | _Ace2016_ | my laptop can't go on the internet so it can't use net install, which i think had daily builds, which i'm guessing had the latest kernel from sid |
| 19:39.38 | freaka | Synergy rocks |
| 19:39.41 | _Ace2016_ | but i need sid's kernel to show up all the drives |
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| 19:40.49 | abrotman | _Ace2016_: try the kmuto installers |
| 19:40.54 | xlotlu | what might cause the caps/scroll/num lock leds not to light? |
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| 19:41.09 | _Ace2016_ | well i resized the vista partition and installed debian to a small space, and i installed the sid kernel into the etch install system by downloading the debs in vista and installing them in debian etch, when i booted the sid latest kernel 2.6.22-x it found the second empty 120gb drive |
| 19:42.39 | _Ace2016_ | that system as i said has no internet access |
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| 19:43.12 | _Ace2016_ | so i need to install the system here, do all the updates to debian sid, get the config right and install stuff like compiz-fusion form svn and then move it to my laptop |
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| 19:43.59 | Blackgoth | or just backup all the .deb files, install the base system and install all the deb files? |
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| 19:44.11 | stew | abrotman: go ride your bike |
| 19:44.13 | Blackgoth | make a CD repo, and you are done :) |
| 19:44.38 | stew | !apt-zip |
| 19:44.38 | dpkg | i heard apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 19:44.48 | stew | !apt-move |
| 19:44.49 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-move is THE (wrong) WAY to keep a set of debian machines running the same distribution up to date, since you only have to download the software once, and then put it on e.g. an ftp server. this is the wrong way to do this, see apt-proxy |
| 19:44.57 | abrotman | stew: i'm going in about 10 minutes :) |
| 19:45.00 | Olgem | does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg allow me to setup dual-head xinerama support? I don't want to try it just to find out I can't. :D |
| 19:45.02 | abrotman | stew: did you just get back ? |
| 19:45.07 | spoown | Does anyone use aesutil ? |
| 19:45.09 | stew | abrotman: yeah, did 45-50 miles |
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| 19:45.20 | _Ace2016_ | do i have to install debian to run apt-zip? |
| 19:45.20 | black_13 | how do i am remaster an initial ram disk |
| 19:45.26 | abrotman | stew: supposedly i've been booked for that tomorrow .. i'll keep it short today |
| 19:45.41 | stew | black_13: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 19:45.53 | stew | black_13: or man mkinitramfs |
| 19:46.03 | Blackgoth | question: sid doesnt have gcc version 4.1.3, how can i get that version from the repo's? |
| 19:46.22 | stew | abrotman: we're going to the bronx tomorrow |
| 19:46.45 | stew | !info gcc-4.1 sid |
| 19:46.50 | dpkg | gcc-4.1: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.1.2-16 (sid), Packaged size: 404 kB, Installed size: 948 kB |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | stew: going to visit david ? |
| 19:47.17 | abrotman | stew: wait .. are you going to the game ? |
| 19:47.32 | stew | Blackgoth: i don't think it was ever packaged, your choices are 4.1.2 or 4.2 |
| 19:47.34 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 19:47.37 | Blackgoth | stew: no |
| 19:47.38 | Blackgoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.42 | abrotman | stew: to both ? |
| 19:47.44 | Blackgoth | err, wait |
| 19:47.49 | stew | abrotman: just the game |
| 19:47.57 | abrotman | stew: traitors! |
| 19:48.04 | Blackgoth | Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use |
| 19:48.04 | Blackgoth | "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.1". This configuration is not recommended and |
| 19:48.06 | abrotman | is -in-law going again ? |
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| 19:48.34 | nkuttler | Blackgoth: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:48.50 | stew | Blackgoth: install gcc-4.1 and export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ; you don't want to change the symbolic link |
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| 19:49.02 | Blackgoth | okay stew |
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| 19:49.09 | stew | abrotman: no, going with some people we work with, rachel scored 4 tickets yesterday |
| 19:49.20 | abrotman | stew: ah .. gotcha |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | a game is a game .. |
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| 19:50.01 | Blackgoth | perfect stew :D |
| 19:50.49 | mumbles | bugger.. i just messed up my xorg config |
| 19:51.27 | Blackgoth | mumbles: and you didnt backup? |
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| 19:51.49 | black_13 | it looks like the initial ram disk is gzip cpio file |
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| 19:55.18 | freaka | teehee |
| 19:55.20 | freaka | debian rocks |
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| 19:57.15 | mumbles | yeh - but it dident take for some reasion |
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| 19:57.36 | floppyears | hi |
| 19:57.41 | floppyears | how can I get a regular user to run /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
| 19:58.01 | et | add a sudo line for that? |
| 19:58.37 | floppyears | et: I've tried, but studo still asks me for a passwd :( |
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| 19:58.51 | et | sudo asks you for *your* password |
| 19:59.11 | floppyears | et: I want to be able to do that without a passwd |
| 19:59.20 | mumbles | you cant |
| 19:59.22 | floppyears | since this machine runs mythtv and has no keybaoard |
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| 19:59.30 | et | then specify that in the sudo line |
| 19:59.31 | seto1 | !acpi |
| 19:59.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
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| 19:59.54 | floppyears | I've used this with no luck: jose ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/gdm, /usr/sbin/gdm |
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| 20:00.38 | setuid | How do I reconfigure apt-get/dpkg so it uses the text-only interface to ask questions, not the ncurses/curses version? |
| 20:00.43 | seto1 | hmm, acpi -b didn't display good value, for example now I get 01:43:06 remaining .. and 5 minute after I get 2:00:00 .. .. what can I do ? |
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| 20:01.11 | floppyears | any help with my problem with sudo ? |
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| 20:01.37 | setuid | /usr/lib/mailman/mail# ./mailman |
| 20:01.37 | setuid | -bash: ./mailman: No such file or directory |
| 20:01.39 | setuid | /usr/lib/mailman/mail# ls -l mailman |
| 20:01.39 | setuid | -rwxr-sr-x 1 list list 9000 2007-02-28 16:37 mailman |
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| 20:01.45 | setuid | What the hell is that about? |
| 20:01.50 | jelly-home | floppyears: you need to tell it the exact command you want to run (with options) |
| 20:02.07 | Supaplex | setuid: sh -x ./mailman |
| 20:02.19 | jelly-home | Supaplex: it's a binary. |
| 20:02.24 | setuid | Right |
| 20:02.28 | setuid | ./mailman: ./mailman: cannot execute binary file |
| 20:02.35 | setuid | mailman: setgid ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 20:02.37 | Supaplex | oh yeah. :) nm me |
| 20:02.45 | seto1 | hmm now 00:02:00 .. |
| 20:02.45 | Supaplex | strace |
| 20:02.49 | setuid | Did that too |
| 20:02.53 | seto1 | seem to be a problem with my battery |
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| 20:03.03 | floppyears | jelly-home: that line should at least let me run gdm without a passwd shouldn't it ? |
| 20:03.32 | jelly-home | floppyears: I have no idea what options does gdm need |
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| 20:03.45 | tokio-dryft | hey everone |
| 20:03.52 | floppyears | jelly-home: so I can't run that script that is in init.d ? |
| 20:03.56 | floppyears | using sudo ? |
| 20:04.03 | setuid | Supaplex, http://rafb.net/p/X7pTua64.html |
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| 20:04.18 | tokio-dryft | I am misssing the php5 module "readline" anybody knows if some unofficial .deb packes exists? |
| 20:05.10 | setuid | Supaplex, This makes no sense... its an elf binary, I should be able to execute it, but it says no such file or directory. |
| 20:05.11 | jelly-home | floppyears: what happens when you try? |
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| 20:06.48 | mumbles | right i think thats my xconfig sorted |
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| 20:10.55 | gryfie | hi. What xorg-driver (etch) should I use for via-unichrome9 ? Am I right only VESA is caple? |
| 20:11.17 | gryfie | (p4m900) |
| 20:11.43 | stew | gryfie: via: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-via |
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| 20:13.33 | Daemon-- | $IPT -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j ACCEPT << will that open port 80 on a specific IP to all outbound traffic? |
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| 20:14.46 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.49 | n_np | what is the flash player and real player aptitude commands? |
| 20:15.53 | n_np | are there community versions? |
| 20:16.21 | floppyears | jelly-home: it asks me for a passwod :( |
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| 20:16.47 | floppyears | for some reason I can't get sudo to work with the NOPASSWD at all :( |
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| 20:17.38 | jelly-home | floppyears: it asks you for a password even when you do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm" with no additional parameters? |
| 20:17.53 | wols_ | n_np: no there aren't flash is in non-free. for realplayer, check helix player |
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| 20:18.52 | floppyears | jelly-home: yes :( |
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| 20:19.48 | jelly-home | floppyears: ah, so you first need to fix sudo. |
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| 20:21.13 | solemnwarning | The syslog-ng docs list 3 facilies that don't have syslog facility names: ntp, audit and alert |
| 20:21.29 | solemnwarning | Since they don't have syslog names how could a program use them in the first place? |
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| 20:32.29 | AVRS | good night |
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| 20:35.21 | tt | Is there any good graphical web browser except firefox? |
| 20:35.31 | unilynx | seamonkey |
| 20:35.57 | solemnwarning | konqueror |
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| 20:36.10 | unilynx | or epiphany if your a gnome user |
| 20:36.20 | tt | Im actually a ratpoison user. |
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| 20:37.02 | tt | I would really like a light graphical client. Konqueror is the kde-standard, right? |
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| 20:37.06 | floppyears | hi guys |
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| 20:37.21 | tt | I think I'll have a look at seamonkey. |
| 20:37.22 | floppyears | ok I did something really stupid |
| 20:37.28 | floppyears | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.30 | tt | Your not alone. |
| 20:37.37 | floppyears | any way of getting it back ? |
| 20:37.39 | tt | Okay, that was kinda stupid. |
| 20:37.46 | floppyears | yeah |
| 20:38.10 | petemc | su still works? |
| 20:38.15 | floppyears | I know how to get it back, but I'm a tad lazy to use chroot |
| 20:38.21 | seanp2k | ok so I'm just using the regular gnome terminal and I have a keyboard shortcut set up (Super L) and I want it to launch gnome terminal with the geometry 105x33 instead of the standard |
| 20:38.33 | floppyears | petemc: no because I have set a random root passwd :( |
| 20:38.48 | floppyears | and this account is the only other acct besides root in the system :( |
| 20:38.49 | solemnwarning | floppyears: WHY did you set a random root password?! |
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| 20:39.23 | solemnwarning | And you'll need to boot another system and chroot into this one, then passwd root or edit sudoers |
| 20:39.32 | petemc | !ifrp |
| 20:39.32 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:39.41 | floppyears | solemnwarning: cause I don't like using su and just got used to sudo after not having used for many years |
| 20:39.50 | floppyears | solemnwarning: also for security reasons |
| 20:40.05 | solemnwarning | floppyears: No reason to randomize root pass |
| 20:40.27 | solemnwarning | "they" could still crack your account and sudo from there |
| 20:40.34 | floppyears | solemnwarning: tru |
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| 20:40.48 | floppyears | solemnwarning: I just remember reading an article about it a while ago |
| 20:42.03 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 20:42.03 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:42.12 | valdyn | ops, sorry |
| 20:42.39 | solemnwarning | wow |
| 20:42.44 | solemnwarning | LILO used to be standard? |
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| 20:42.58 | valdyn | sure |
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| 20:45.05 | aredhel | solemnwarning, lilo is still better the grub in a few cases, like if /boot is on software raid. |
| 20:45.11 | seanp2k | so anyone have any idea on chaning the default size of gnome-terminal? |
| 20:45.19 | solemnwarning | aredhel: I suppose so |
| 20:45.29 | solemnwarning | People actually put /boot on anything besides RAID-1? |
| 20:45.40 | petemc | seanp2k: you can set the geometry by passing arguments to gnome-terminal |
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| 20:46.04 | seanp2k | petemc: i have that for my taskbar launcher, but i need it when i hit my shortcut key (windows key) |
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| 20:46.53 | petemc | seanp2k: then change the command that is run when you press the shortcut from "gnome-terminal" to "gnome-terminal --geometry..." |
| 20:47.30 | seanp2k | petemc, how do i do that, it desktop>preferences>keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:47.36 | petemc | not sure.. |
| 20:47.36 | phil | Does anyone here use qmail and debian please? |
| 20:49.09 | Supaplex | !qmail |
| 20:49.09 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 20:49.20 | phil | Sorry I mean postfix |
| 20:49.38 | assasukasse | hi all, is there somone that knows a mail program that just downloads topics and let u delete unwanted mail w/o getting it? like mailwasher for windows |
| 20:49.42 | Supaplex | !tell phil -about ask |
| 20:50.20 | Supaplex | assasukasse: thunderbird can, if you set a maximum download size. if you want it, you click a 'fetch the rest of this' type link. |
| 20:50.23 | bush | im having some problems getting my nforce2 chipset to work with alsa |
| 20:50.38 | phil | Can you please take a look at the problem its posted at http://pastebin.com/d57e73165 |
| 20:50.48 | wols_ | bush: ac97 |
| 20:50.48 | assasukasse | thanks Supaplex :D maybe u mean icedove :D |
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| 20:51.25 | Supaplex | no, I mean netscape 2.1!!! |
| 20:51.30 | Supaplex | hehehe |
| 20:51.48 | seanp2k | frozen wombat |
| 20:51.58 | seanp2k | popsicle rat |
| 20:52.00 | bush | lspci shows everything fine, and modprobe shows that both i810_audio and i2c_nforce2, with i810_audio used by ac97_codec - but kmix shows the video card as Uknown and alsa won't recognize it |
| 20:52.21 | bush | wow i cant type for shit |
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| 20:53.15 | Supaplex | seanp2k: there's always the "firesomething" FF extension :) |
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| 20:54.18 | bush | wols_: what about ac97? lsmod shows its loaded |
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| 20:55.55 | chinasky | hello, mplayer configuration error message: Error: The GUI requires libavcodec with PNG support (needs zlib)) |
| 20:55.58 | wols_ | bush: that's the driver you need for your nforce2 |
| 20:55.59 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to figure out what packages install so I can uninstall them? "dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in" |
| 20:56.21 | wols_ | Gokee2: dpkg -l |
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| 20:57.08 | bush | wols_: yes, but lsmod shows that it's loaded |
| 20:57.08 | wols_ | chinasky: where did you get your mplayer from? |
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| 20:57.19 | Gokee2 | wols_, Long list! I will look through it thanks :) |
| 20:57.19 | wols_ | !tell bush about alsa checklist |
| 20:57.31 | wols_ | Gokee2: learn to use grep and piping |
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| 20:57.53 | Gokee2 | Ya I will use grep... I don`t know what exactly I am looking for through |
| 20:58.13 | afaict | hi folks. I copied a filesystem using xfs_copy dev1 dev2 ... but dev2 had 80gb of size. now it has the same size of dev1. what can i do ? |
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| 20:58.24 | chinasky | wols: svn |
| 20:58.24 | wols_ | afaict: resize it |
| 20:58.27 | solemnwarning | The syslog-ng docs list 3 facilies that don't have syslog facility names: ntp, audit and alert |
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| 20:58.34 | wols_ | chinasky: then you are OT |
| 20:58.38 | solemnwarning | Since they don't have syslog names how could a program use them in the first place? |
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| 20:59.19 | afaict | wols_ using xfs_growfs ? |
| 20:59.35 | chinasky | wols: sorry... what does ot mean?? |
| 20:59.38 | afaict | wols_ i'm afraid of using this command and crash my filesystem |
| 21:01.39 | afaict | sorry.. bbye |
| 21:02.13 | solemnwarning | Does anyone know why the syslog-ng docs mention these facilities and how anything can use them? |
| 21:02.18 | Gokee2 | :( purging and reinstalling did not help... pure does take out all config and such right? |
| 21:02.25 | Gokee2 | purge* |
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| 21:03.19 | wols_ | Gokee2: maybe you should learn to ask about your REAL problems instead |
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| 21:06.29 | qrck | does anyone know why vim is referring to /etc/ld.so.nohwcap or so and segfaulting ? why is it linked to that ?? |
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| 21:07.59 | qrck | where does ld.so.nohwcap reside ? |
| 21:08.03 | qrck | which package ? |
| 21:08.31 | geo-rge | get apt-file or go to packages.debian.org and see |
| 21:08.45 | geo-rge | (in short... search...) |
| 21:09.01 | r-wolf | what's the name of the conf file where global env vars are stored in? |
| 21:09.08 | bush | wols_: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp returns device or resource busy |
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| 21:09.27 | dailoom | given is eth1 connected via PPPpoe to a DSL modem ppp0, the LAN is connected via eth0. if packets come from the internet and should be DNAT'ed via PREROUTING, to what interface do i bind the rule? to ppp0 ? |
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| 21:10.03 | geo-rge | dailoom: that's off topic... however, here' |
| 21:10.10 | dailoom | geo-rge: what? |
| 21:10.20 | geo-rge | s the on-topic way: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 21:10.33 | petemc | i wouldnt say iptables is offtopic |
| 21:10.37 | dailoom | geo-rge: dude. how is my question off-topic? |
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| 21:11.10 | geo-rge | there exists a debian package that performs the whole nat function |
| 21:11.22 | geo-rge | just set up the interfaces and install the packages |
| 21:11.23 | dailoom | geo-rge: that is absolutely not what i asked for. |
| 21:11.25 | geo-rge | done |
| 21:11.37 | et | is there a way to use networkmanager without using gnome or kde? |
| 21:11.40 | wols_ | dailoom: install ipmasq |
| 21:11.41 | Gokee2 | Hmm ok, I am trying to configure a Canon PIXMA mp130 printer. I had it working folowing some page (can`t seem to find it now) that refured me to http://linux.cergynux.net/canon/ where they had a debian package for pixma printers. It worked and looked great so I decided to share it with my laptop. I used the kde gui and went to printers --> admin mode --> print server --> configure server --> network --> add (in the linsted to area) --> put |
| 21:11.42 | Gokee2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.43 | geo-rge | then #networking, #netfilter |
| 21:11.49 | petemc | dailoom: ppp0 |
| 21:11.59 | et | or rather, configure it |
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| 21:12.06 | Gokee2 | wols_, that is the real problem :) |
| 21:12.08 | dailoom | petemc: thanks. the same would be for outbound traffic that is meant for POSTROUTING? |
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| 21:12.49 | dailoom | (and it would help if some boys learn to focus on the problems of people) |
| 21:12.49 | petemc | dailoom: i use -s to specify the source for postrouting |
| 21:13.00 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/16 -j MASQUERADE |
| 21:13.25 | wols_ | Gokee2: blame canon. we can only support debian software |
| 21:13.39 | geo-rge | earlier wols_ said someone who got mplayer from svn was off topic, due to the fact the mplayer he had did not come from a debian package. this situation is different how? |
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| 21:14.28 | geo-rge | dailoom: seriously, consider the ipmasq package |
| 21:14.29 | dailoom | petemc: i was omitting the interface and experienced some problems with the PREROUTING, because outgoing traffic ended up in nirvana |
| 21:14.31 | wols_ | petemc: he should use ipmasq. there it's set up more reliably and he gets debian security updates too |
| 21:14.45 | petemc | i dont agree |
| 21:14.56 | r-wolf | ok, I have installed Java, where should I place exports for JAVA_HOME etc, for them to be visible for all users? |
| 21:14.57 | Gokee2 | wols_, And THAT is why I asked a question about dpkg rather then bother to tell you my real problem :/ |
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| 21:15.13 | geo-rge | petemc: what part do you not agree with? |
| 21:15.23 | wols_ | Gokee2: the dpkg question's answer didn't solve your problem did it? |
| 21:15.28 | geo-rge | there's a few different wrinkles here |
| 21:15.33 | petemc | geo-rge: im not very interested in discussing it with you, if you dont want to help this chap, dont |
| 21:15.33 | wols_ | cause if (rather: when) canon fucked up that purge is useless |
| 21:15.34 | dailoom | and geo-rge and wols_: if you fail to focus on the problem a person wants to solve, then it would be much appreciated if you kept quite |
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| 21:16.00 | dailoom | it generates noise that is of no use |
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| 21:16.04 | wols_ | dailoom: 44 minutes to sunday I guess. go away |
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| 21:16.21 | Gokee2 | No, but it helped me at least try to fix the problem. |
| 21:16.26 | geo-rge | dailoom: your loss |
| 21:16.30 | petemc | wols_: this is a support channel, theres no need to be abusive to people asking for help |
| 21:16.41 | dailoom | petemc: thanks |
| 21:16.56 | wols_ | petemc: get a room with dailoom then |
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| 21:17.11 | dailoom | petemc: but people like wols_ and geo-rge are not here to give support. they are here to heal their ego problems. |
| 21:17.16 | bush | wols_: /dev/dsp is still busy |
| 21:17.19 | petemc | i think its best to ignore them |
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| 21:17.36 | dailoom | petemc: that is wise, yes |
| 21:17.37 | wols_ | bush: then some program uses it (or snd_*_oss isn't loaded or such |
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| 21:18.00 | geo-rge | petemc: if you don't agree with a question I'm asking ("how is this situation different from wols_ and mplayer from svn above"), I don't understand how you can disagree with a question; that doesn't make sense |
| 21:18.32 | bush | wols_: snd_pcm_oss is loaded, how can i check if something is using /dev/dsp? |
| 21:18.42 | bush | is there a flag for ps |
| 21:18.44 | petemc | geo-rge: i wouldnt dignify such a stupid, pointless question with an answer, please drop it |
| 21:18.46 | wols_ | bush: with lsof or fuser |
| 21:18.56 | dailoom | geo-rge: seriously, why do you visit this channel? |
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| 21:19.09 | DawnLight | what do i use to create a virtual system? |
| 21:19.22 | wols_ | dailoom: let's just say he has helped more people lately than you |
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| 21:19.27 | wols_ | and yes, he did help them |
| 21:19.39 | dailoom | wols_: what does that have to do with my question? |
| 21:19.49 | geo-rge | petemc: so both of you are engaging in insults... here's another question: how is that helping? |
| 21:20.11 | wols_ | geo-rge: drop it you're way OT with those two. which still ahven't their problem solved |
| 21:20.14 | dailoom | geo-rge: haha, what? petemc is insulting where? i am insulting where? |
| 21:20.18 | Nyle | hey |
| 21:20.20 | wols_ | and yes, #netfilter would be a lot more appropriate |
| 21:20.20 | dailoom | the only insult came from wols_ so far |
| 21:20.25 | Nyle | I'm gonna insult all ya'll |
| 21:20.26 | Nyle | shush |
| 21:20.34 | Nyle | if ya don't stop |
| 21:20.36 | dailoom | wols_: i still dont see how my question was off-topic |
| 21:20.40 | DawnLight | !stop |
| 21:20.40 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
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| 21:20.57 | wols_ | dailoom: you got a shitty OT discussion flamewar. see it now? |
| 21:21.09 | dailoom | wols_: because of you, yes. |
| 21:21.09 | petemc | iptables is OT |
| 21:21.15 | petemc | erm, isnt |
| 21:21.16 | abrotman | dailoom: please drop it .. move on |
| 21:21.21 | wols_ | and you DO NOT try to solve you question but trolling. now stop please and concentrate on your problem or go away |
| 21:21.42 | dailoom | abrotman: do you seriously support the chatting of wols_ and geo-rge? |
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| 21:21.45 | DawnLight | :) can i run windows in a virtual system in debian? |
| 21:21.57 | wols_ | DawnLight: yes. but... |
| 21:22.00 | DawnLight | ! |
| 21:22.01 | asg | DawnLight: use, use qemu (or buy vmware) |
| 21:22.02 | wols_ | DawnLight: what cpu do you use? |
| 21:22.03 | dailoom | DawnLight: depending on the virtualisation - yes. |
| 21:22.10 | abrotman | dailoom: so be the bigger person and drop it |
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| 21:22.19 | DawnLight | athlon64x2 |
| 21:22.20 | geo-rge | dailoom: specifically, because there exists a package (and a good one!) that completely solves your issue... so at -best- you're asking support people to reinvent your wheel |
| 21:22.23 | bush | that question is offtopic ;) |
| 21:22.27 | tokyoeye | DawnLight, checkout xen |
| 21:22.37 | wols_ | DawnLight: then you can take your pick. pretty much everything will work |
| 21:22.44 | valdyn | DawnLight: depending on what you need to run, 'wine' can be much better |
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| 21:23.32 | tokyoeye | DawnLight, if you need a full os you might want to use xen. there's a good howto on howtoforge.com |
| 21:23.37 | valdyn | ( than running windows in a virtualisation ) |
| 21:23.53 | DawnLight | well... i want to run colin mcrae rally and i want to use my logitech momo racing wheel with force feedback just like it would on windows with the installed driver |
| 21:24.04 | Nyle | DawnLight, hehe |
| 21:24.09 | dailoom | geo-rge: are you serious? because the tool ipmasq was packaged for debian my question about network is off-topic according to your own rules that you made up for this channel? |
| 21:24.11 | asg | DawnLight: in that case, you are better off dual booting |
| 21:24.24 | cahoot | bush: looks to me (from the scrollback) you have modules loaded that effectively disables alsa |
| 21:24.26 | wols_ | DawnLight: Xen or qemu with kvm are pretty much your only choices I guess |
| 21:24.27 | valdyn | DawnLight: wine or cedega are the only choice for newer games |
| 21:24.48 | valdyn | i think only vmware has some directx support |
| 21:24.58 | geo-rge | dailoom: maybe we should stop, and maybe the two of you who are working on this ought to use /msg |
| 21:24.59 | valdyn | qemu does not, no idea about xen |
| 21:25.17 | wols_ | valdyn: it doesn't really. not 3D what this game needs. at least not good enough 3D |
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| 21:25.29 | DawnLight | i don't know how virtualization works. can it access the wheel just like it would otherwise? |
| 21:25.39 | wols_ | valdyn: depends if you use the videocard on the linux side or not |
| 21:25.40 | valdyn | wols_: yea, only dx8 and probably to slow too, no idea |
| 21:25.50 | dailoom | i cant believe on what level the quality of this channel is these days |
| 21:25.52 | wols_ | one client should be able to use it just fine |
| 21:25.53 | geo-rge | but I will make one final comment: perhaps the ipmasq package contains source code that shows the answer to your questions |
| 21:26.08 | valdyn | DawnLight: cpu can be virtualised at native speed roughly, gfx will be slow in any case |
| 21:26.08 | wols_ | with penryn and IO virtualisation, they can even share the video then. hopefully |
| 21:26.09 | bush | wols_: lsof isn't showing anything using /dev/dsp |
| 21:26.28 | geo-rge | s/answer/answers/ |
| 21:26.30 | bush | cahoot: ok, suggestions? |
| 21:26.35 | wols_ | bush: lsmod and lsof |grep dsp. pastebin the output of those |
| 21:26.56 | dailoom | geo-rge: what is your full name, please? |
| 21:27.01 | valdyn | wols_: that will enable to running native windows drivers? |
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| 21:27.06 | abrotman | dailoom: jesus .. just drop it |
| 21:27.21 | cahoot | bush: running etch? |
| 21:27.28 | wols_ | valdyn: afaik yes, IF the hypervisor gives over the video to windows |
| 21:27.36 | valdyn | neat |
| 21:27.37 | dailoom | abrotman: i just want to know his full name because it is common practice in the debian community to be known by the realname |
| 21:27.38 | bush | cahoot: yes |
| 21:27.43 | bush | lsmod: http://pastebin.com/d1858688a |
| 21:27.44 | abrotman | dailoom: no it's not |
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| 21:28.06 | bush | wols_: lsof | grep /dev/dsp doesn't return anything |
| 21:28.16 | dailoom | abrotman: it is a requirement in my opinion if you sit on the community channel and accuse people of being off-topic |
| 21:28.18 | cahoot | bush: then I'd suggest dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base followed by invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 21:28.22 | abrotman | dailoom: and you have no business asking him his name anyways |
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| 21:28.31 | abrotman | dailoom: oh fuck off and die |
| 21:28.34 | bush | dailoom: that question is offtopic |
| 21:28.47 | wols_ | abrotman: now you did it and he wants YOUR name too |
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| 21:29.27 | wols_ | dailoom: if you want to complain in here: !ops or #debian-ops (hopefully I remember that channel right) |
| 21:29.37 | dailoom | thank god this channel does not reflect the entire debian community :) |
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| 21:29.47 | bush | that comment is offtopic |
| 21:29.53 | bush | im going to need your full name, address, SSN, and hat size |
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| 21:30.02 | cahoot | bush: of course - if you have alsa a tv-card it might be registerad as an alsa device, cat /proc/asound/cards would tell |
| 21:30.02 | Nyle | dude |
| 21:30.06 | Nyle | what the fuck! |
| 21:30.08 | geo-rge | dailoom: debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:30.15 | Nyle | what are you guys going off about |
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| 21:30.20 | amphi | !pal dailoom |
| 21:30.29 | dailoom | Nyle: a bunch of trolls doing their ego thing again. as usual. |
| 21:30.31 | wols_ | Nyle: one of the sunday trolls started early |
| 21:30.35 | bush | cahoot: that only shows the nforce2 onboard sound |
| 21:30.37 | geo-rge | I'm just offering him choices which is what I've been doing all along |
| 21:30.50 | Nyle | wols_, oh yeah, its the weekened eh |
| 21:30.58 | Nyle | kmy shoulders hurt |
| 21:30.59 | dailoom | wols_: i asked an on-topic question and was trolled by you. |
| 21:31.01 | simonrvn | dailoom: how about you leave the chan if you're not happy? |
| 21:31.06 | wols_ | dailoom: you insult pretty much any regulars |
| 21:31.22 | cahoot | bush: what does aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav result in? |
| 21:31.22 | Nyle | how about we all just say happy happy joy joy and stfu |
| 21:31.23 | wols_ | dailoom: I told you wher you can complain. and now fuck off and do it or shut up already |
| 21:31.26 | Nyle | easy enough eh |
| 21:31.32 | dailoom | wols_: dude. i was insulted by you and abrotman. and all of a sudden the offender is me? |
| 21:31.34 | wols_ | Nyle: go and get a LOG |
| 21:31.42 | Nyle | wols_, i read.. its still pointless |
| 21:31.44 | dailoom | this is great stuff |
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| 21:31.59 | wols_ | Nyle: al LOG log, not a log |
| 21:32.00 | Nyle | simonrvn, whats up man |
| 21:32.06 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 21:32.07 | bush | cahoot: says it plays, but no sound |
| 21:32.08 | Nyle | wols_, hehe |
| 21:32.17 | geo-rge | Nyle: is it all right if I pm you? |
| 21:32.30 | bush | trying to play anything with xmms shows an error |
| 21:32.30 | cahoot | bush: and fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 21:32.46 | Nyle | geo-rge, since you asked very politely, yes you may, and thanks for asking. |
| 21:32.49 | valdyn | bush: xmms uses /dev/dsp by default, aplay uses the default alsa device |
| 21:32.49 | wols_ | bush: don't use xmms just yet |
| 21:32.54 | geo-rge | I always do |
| 21:33.01 | bush | ah |
| 21:33.20 | DustyBin | since ive installed vmware, i cannot use sound on debian etch, although the sound works on the vmware virtual machines |
| 21:33.59 | valdyn | DustyBin: one sound device can often only be used by one application |
| 21:34.11 | valdyn | DustyBin: particularily /dev/dsp, which vmware probably uses |
| 21:34.28 | DustyBin | is there anyway i can get my desktop and vmware to use the same sound device |
| 21:34.37 | bush | cahoot: shows artsd and kmix, but no mention of /dev/dsp |
| 21:34.37 | valdyn | DustyBin: to many ways |
| 21:34.49 | Nyle | DustyBin, I use virtualbox and that works fine, no sound screw ups here. |
| 21:34.54 | DustyBin | im all eyes :D |
| 21:34.58 | Nyle | vmware i have no experience with |
| 21:34.59 | cahoot | bush: so artsd is the probable culprit - kill it |
| 21:35.05 | Nyle | regarding sound that is. |
| 21:35.13 | dailoom | !ops |
| 21:35.14 | dpkg | ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 21:35.19 | cahoot | bush: or make your apps use it |
| 21:35.22 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 21:35.28 | Nyle | dailoom, dude, whats the problem man |
| 21:35.29 | valdyn | DustyBin: check out which sound devices vmware supports - pointless to tell how to share without that bit of info |
| 21:35.30 | Nyle | just relax |
| 21:35.34 | simonrvn | LOL |
| 21:35.36 | DustyBin | i blame the bastards at vmware |
| 21:35.49 | simonrvn | as in lamer online |
| 21:35.51 | bush | cahoot: yeah, i forgot to kill it when i restarted kde, so i killed it and still no working |
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| 21:36.11 | Nyle | simonrvn, this is why we need a worldwide legalize pot act. get everyone too stoned to fight |
| 21:36.12 | Nyle | hehe |
| 21:36.13 | cahoot | even using aplay? |
| 21:36.16 | Nyle | j/k |
| 21:36.21 | bush | cahoot: yesh |
| 21:36.26 | DustyBin | this worked ok before i installed vmware, now when i launch mplayer i get this: |
| 21:36.29 | DustyBin | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Permission denied |
| 21:36.31 | simonrvn | at least decriminalise it |
| 21:36.36 | DustyBin | bastards |
| 21:36.42 | simonrvn | uh duh |
| 21:36.59 | geo-rge | his body is currently in a state of high sensation... let him come down by himself and hope he doesn't drive too much :) |
| 21:37.03 | cahoot | bush: alsamixer declares it is really unuted? |
| 21:37.10 | bush | yes, checked it twice |
| 21:37.10 | DustyBin | they dont code like they used to do they |
| 21:37.41 | Nyle | who? me? |
| 21:37.44 | valdyn | DustyBin: oss is crap for this, don't use it, if you dont have to: mplayer -ao alsa, or edit the config |
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| 21:37.46 | cahoot | bush: you are aware ute staus is different from 'levels'? |
| 21:37.57 | valdyn | DustyBin: that's not the fix for your sound sharing issue just yet though |
| 21:37.57 | DustyBin | aye ok :D |
| 21:37.59 | cahoot | meh mute status |
| 21:38.01 | Nyle | I been clean for 3 weeks, and 1 more week till ramadan is over, and then eid on saturday and im gonna get toasted |
| 21:38.10 | bush | yes caho |
| 21:38.12 | bush | cahoot: |
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| 21:38.17 | bush | fully aware |
| 21:38.23 | wols_ | Nyle: toasted as in "drink ethanol"? |
| 21:38.40 | valdyn | app sound defaults really need some fixing in debian =/ |
| 21:38.40 | cahoot | bush: well - had to ask |
| 21:38.50 | bush | cahoot: ok, got sound from asound |
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| 21:39.00 | cahoot | asound? |
| 21:39.03 | Nyle | wols_, no, i'll go pray in the mosque in the morning, and then have breakfast with my family, and then go do stuff.. whatever you guys usually do on christams |
| 21:39.03 | bush | er |
| 21:39.07 | bush | aplay |
| 21:39.11 | bush | my apologies |
| 21:39.12 | Nyle | wols_, plus the doobage |
| 21:39.29 | bush | but still nothing from dsp |
| 21:39.29 | cahoot | bush: alsa basically works then |
| 21:39.35 | Nyle | ubuntu is making another release this month |
| 21:39.54 | wols_ | they make one every 6, so? |
| 21:40.01 | Nyle | lets see how much makeup this ugly chic is wearing |
| 21:40.11 | Nyle | (ubunti is the ugly chic with lots of makup) |
| 21:40.12 | cahoot | bush: tell your sound apps to use alsa-output |
| 21:40.16 | Nyle | ahem |
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| 21:40.25 | wols_ | my sid does one every DAY! and just like ubuntu: you never know if it still works after. debian >>> ubuntu :P |
| 21:40.26 | Nyle | wols_, just wanted to crack that lame joke |
| 21:40.27 | Nyle | thats all |
| 21:40.33 | Nyle | wols_, hahaha |
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| 21:40.58 | cahoot | bush: even xmms can behave if told |
| 21:40.59 | abrotman | been awful quiet ... |
| 21:41.03 | bush | cahoot: how? |
| 21:41.21 | cahoot | bush: prefs->output or such |
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| 21:42.36 | abrotman | !tell root____1 about root |
| 21:43.04 | bush | cahoot: i guess ill worry about that later, i like juk better anyway |
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| 21:44.48 | mildner | guten abend jemand der debian 64bit wine schon installiert hat? |
| 21:45.11 | bush | thanks for you help cahoot, wols_ |
| 21:45.37 | cahoot | np |
| 21:46.05 | abrotman | !de |
| 21:46.05 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 21:46.25 | candyban | Hi guys |
| 21:46.35 | mildner | sorry is there help available for debian 64bit wine? |
| 21:46.38 | candyban | Does anyone know how to compile lirc for 2.6.22? (sid) ? |
| 21:46.50 | candyban | I tried with m-a, but didn't work :( |
| 21:46.54 | DawnLight | damn. i've just found out that colin mcrae had died last month. i loved colin mcrae rally 2005! |
| 21:46.55 | valdyn | mildner: there's no 64-bit wine, but there's a 32-bit package for debian/amd64, 'aptitude install wine' |
| 21:46.58 | geo-rge | Nyle: about body and sensation, I wasn't referring to you |
| 21:47.05 | vasuvi | I got 32-bit Firefox to run in AMD64 Debian by installing ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk, but it won't see the Internet. Anybody know how to get 32-bit networking working? |
| 21:47.32 | kawk | valdyn: There's an amd64 wine in Lenny |
| 21:47.34 | geo-rge | colin mcrae, was on "whose line is it anyway"? |
| 21:47.43 | valdyn | kawk: that's what im saying |
| 21:47.52 | kawk | valdyn: Ah, sorry. |
| 21:48.02 | DawnLight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_mcrae |
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| 21:48.30 | abrotman | candyban: that's supposed to work |
| 21:48.46 | atperez | candyban: What error do you get? |
| 21:48.52 | abrotman | vasuvi: iceweasel broken ? |
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| 21:49.34 | valdyn | vasuvi: does your native browser see the internet? |
| 21:49.35 | mildner | valdyn: Lenny is the next unstable version? |
| 21:49.40 | mentor | geo-rge: dailoom's request wasn't off topic - even if there is another way to do it. |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | mildner: no .. |
| 21:49.46 | candyban | make[6]: *** [/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.o] Error 1 |
| 21:49.50 | mentor | abrotman: You can'ty actually be nice, can you? |
| 21:49.50 | qrck | is there any benefit in having ftp2 named sources in sources.list ? |
| 21:49.54 | valdyn | mildner: lenny will be the next stable and is currently testing |
| 21:49.55 | abrotman | mentor: i tried |
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| 21:50.20 | geo-rge | mentor: as did I |
| 21:50.25 | Supaplex | humm ' |
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| 21:50.39 | vasuvi | abrotman: no, I just want to be able to use 32-bit plugins |
| 21:50.44 | Blackgoth | note to self, bolt everything down in your pc, now. |
| 21:50.45 | Blackgoth | :P |
| 21:50.52 | abrotman | vasuvi: ndispluginwrapper or soemthing like that |
| 21:50.57 | valdyn | vasuvi: you can use the nspluginwrapper |
| 21:50.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@/*/abrotman] by mentor |
| 21:51.02 | bolt | Blackgoth: or just don't turn it upside down |
| 21:51.05 | vasuvi | valdyn: yup, Konky and Iceape work just fine |
| 21:51.06 | abrotman | i'm always so close |
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| 21:51.08 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: hello ' |
| 21:51.13 | Supaplex | ;P |
| 21:51.13 | qrck | i mean are there any differences between ftp and ftp2 reps ? |
| 21:51.24 | mentor | abrotman: Well, if you can't be nice, go away |
| 21:51.26 | Supaplex | qrck: the ip? |
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| 21:51.34 | vasuvi | abrotman, valdyn: ok, that could be worth a try |
| 21:51.35 | Blackgoth | lol bolt, it makes a terrible noise now :P |
| 21:51.35 | abrotman | mentor: i did try |
| 21:51.37 | atperez | }oh |
| 21:51.48 | candyban | atperez: what error do you want? :) |
| 21:51.52 | geo-rge | (a) as early as my first comment I provided the alternative solution and (b) so we're supporting coding now? that would make coding in all languages on topic |
| 21:51.52 | bolt | Blackgoth: long cables. put it outside. or in the basement. |
| 21:51.53 | valdyn | vasuvi: you have libc6-386 installed btw? internet not working must be an issue with the libc6 anyway |
| 21:51.56 | abrotman | vasuvi: it let's you use the 32bit plugins for FF/IW in the 64bit version |
| 21:52.09 | geo-rge | (actually that could be a good thing) |
| 21:52.15 | valdyn | libc6-i386 even |
| 21:52.21 | qrck | Supaplex, sorry i mean the source line ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 21:52.26 | simonrvn | no, we don't support coding. they should go to the relevant channel |
| 21:52.27 | geo-rge | but the channel is quite full |
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| 21:52.40 | Supaplex | qrck: mirrors are mirrors are mirrors. |
| 21:52.47 | vasuvi | valdyn: I'll check |
| 21:52.50 | geo-rge | simonrvn: references to which I also provided |
| 21:52.50 | Supaplex | !tell qrck -about mirrors |
| 21:52.53 | qrck | Supaplex, thank you, so no difference .... |
| 21:52.58 | simonrvn | it's busy enough as it is |
| 21:53.00 | mentor | geo-rge: Well, you were still wtrong about the topioc. |
| 21:53.07 | Supaplex | qrck: correct, we hope. :) |
| 21:53.07 | atperez | So m-a didn't finish compÃling lirc, do you say? Or it did compile but it doesn't work? |
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| 21:53.19 | vasuvi | valdyn: yup, it is |
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| 21:53.28 | geo-rge | mentor: mind if we take this to pm? I'm very curious as to why |
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| 21:53.45 | mentor | geo-rge: I think you can ask me here |
| 21:53.47 | vasuvi | valdyn: I'm running sid btw, if that makes a difference |
| 21:53.52 | valdyn | vasuvi: name resolver is in the libc6, try accessing a website by IP from your 32 bit firefox |
| 21:53.58 | geo-rge | fine. |
| 21:54.10 | geo-rge | so... why was it on topic? :) |
| 21:54.23 | vasuvi | valdyn: kk |
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| 21:54.39 | mentor | geo-rge: It was about a networking question on a Debian system. You replied with an answer about installing a package. |
| 21:54.49 | mentor | geo-rge: Just because he didn't like your answer doens't make it off topic |
| 21:55.01 | geo-rge | and if you look at the situation before, with wols_ and mplayer from svn |
| 21:55.11 | geo-rge | doesn't make it on topic either |
| 21:55.29 | geo-rge | how does that situation compare and contrast? |
| 21:55.47 | qrck | so even debootstrapping lenny you get some packages from sid ? |
| 21:55.51 | valdyn | svn mplayer issues pretty much have to be off topic. |
| 21:55.51 | qrck | lol |
| 21:55.54 | qrck | oh man |
| 21:55.59 | vasuvi | valdyn: odd, DNS is working. It resolves 128.30.52.54 to www.w3.org, but still complains that: Firefox can't find the server at www.w3.org. |
| 21:56.08 | geo-rge | have to be? why? |
| 21:56.17 | Supaplex | qrck: some packages will exist in both until updates are sent |
| 21:56.19 | valdyn | vasuvi: sure dns is working ok |
| 21:56.29 | valdyn | vasuvi: but 32-bit firefox cant resolve it |
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| 21:56.42 | valdyn | vasuvi: while konqueror can, right? |
| 21:56.50 | vasuvi | valdyn: ah, so they're separate issues |
| 21:56.54 | vasuvi | valdyn: indeed |
| 21:57.04 | vasuvi | valdyn: and Iceape |
| 21:57.10 | qrck | Supaplex, yeah i have issues with ld.so.nohwcap found messages in vim and my locales don't get recognized properly too...i searched the bts and see some entry's there... |
| 21:57.12 | valdyn | vasuvi: resolving names is done by components of libc6 |
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| 21:57.35 | mentor | geo-rge: I think it's fairly obvious TBH. If you really disagree then you can place a well conceived argument with anyone of the ops/ |
| 21:57.45 | valdyn | vasuvi: i would reinstall libc6-i386, but that problem could be a bug in that package too.. |
| 21:57.58 | vasuvi | valdyn: think 32-bit libc6 is just broken in Sid then? |
| 21:58.02 | geo-rge | I thought that was what I'm doing (on channel too, that's good, right?) |
| 21:58.02 | candyban | abrotman, atperez: this is the output I get when I "dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source" ... any ideas what is going wrong (and how to fix it)? |
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| 21:58.24 | valdyn | vasuvi: it could be but.. let me grab ff |
| 21:58.30 | vasuvi | valdyn: kk |
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| 21:58.53 | qrck | is it normal to get a lib64 directory under /usr on an i386 arch ? along with a 32bit one ? |
| 21:59.04 | candyban | http://www.pastebin.org/4270 |
| 21:59.06 | mentor | geo-rge: Well, you haven't made any actual argument. If you want to do so, I suggest you go away and think about it, and then talk to us. I have no interest in discussing this further at this time. |
| 21:59.17 | geo-rge | mentor: ok, let's shift a bit: 1, how does discussing firewall rules compare and contrast to discussing coding in general? |
| 21:59.35 | geo-rge | right, all I'm doing is asking questions |
| 22:00.19 | geo-rge | and you haven't yet said why you're taking that position |
| 22:00.24 | valdyn | vasuvi: right, seems broken here too |
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| 22:00.43 | wols_ | qrck: it's normal. you can run a 64bit kernel with the proper hardware even under i386 debian |
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| 22:00.44 | valdyn | vasuvi: i cant tell with certainty that that is libc-386 fault. |
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| 22:01.02 | valdyn | vasuvi: suggest you just use 64-bit browsers and nspluginwrapper |
| 22:01.18 | valdyn | vasuvi: OR use a network proxy - that way names will resolve |
| 22:01.28 | mzuverink | nyoneknow the cli command for gconf to change music player from rhytmnbox to amarok? |
| 22:01.32 | node_6 | when my thinkpad goes to sleep, I can't get it to wake up properly. I see some text-mode stuff go by very quickly and then the screen goes black. My only choice is to reboot |
| 22:01.32 | vasuvi | valdyn: yeah, certainly woth a try (re: nspluginwrapper); thanks for your help :) |
| 22:01.32 | geo-rge | mentor: by the way, was I ever in particular unhelpful in my interaction with the netfilter guy? |
| 22:01.37 | wols_ | candyban: have you installed your kernel headers? |
| 22:01.42 | geo-rge | was I ever insulting? |
| 22:01.47 | wols_ | candyban: ie the headers for the exact kernel you run? |
| 22:02.12 | geo-rge | did I ever fail to provide alternatives which would have worked? |
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| 22:02.50 | valdyn | node_6: do the sleep from a text console |
| 22:02.58 | valdyn | node_6: not from inside X |
| 22:03.10 | node_6 | valdyn: when my lid closes, the laptop goes to sleep |
| 22:03.13 | valdyn | node_6: once that works you know the error, there's fixes for that, www.thinkwiki.org |
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| 22:03.18 | candyban | wols_: dpkg -l | grep header | grep `uname -r` => ii linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 2.6.22-4 Header files for Linux 2.6.22 on PPro/Celero |
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| 22:03.23 | valdyn | node_6: so close it while on a text console |
| 22:03.28 | mentor | geo-rge: OK. Debian is an OS. If you want to look at it that way, everything that uses software that is in Debian in on-topic. However, obviously, this would give many of sub-fields that are separate which would be best dealt with elsewhere. I think it is allowable for people to ask various basic questions about fundamental system services. |
| 22:03.37 | node_6 | valdyn: oh, I see. how do I make it sleep from console? |
| 22:03.39 | mentor | geo-rge: Yes, you kept telling him he was off topic |
| 22:03.41 | wols_ | candyban: locate autoconf.h (I have it for my kernels) |
| 22:03.49 | valdyn | node_6: close the lid |
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| 22:04.05 | geo-rge | which you say is what, unhelpful? insulting? which? both? |
| 22:04.17 | node_6 | valdyn: and what's the correct way to switch to text mode? |
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| 22:04.21 | amphi | node_6: you can use /sys/power/state; see what options are in it, and echo one of them to it |
| 22:04.25 | mentor | geo-rge: unhelpful, because it is wrong. |
| 22:04.37 | b52 | hey, what do i have to add to my sources.list if i want to install testing packages? |
| 22:04.39 | amphi | node_6: 'disk' is 'hibernate' |
| 22:04.52 | valdyn | node_6: ctrl-alt-fx switches between virtual consoles, X is usually on 7, 1-6 is text logins |
| 22:05.09 | simonrvn | mentor: http://paste.debian.net/39000 # that's dailoom causing me trouble in #iptables ... |
| 22:05.13 | node_6 | valdyn: I don't have to end the X sessions, just switch to a console tty? |
| 22:05.13 | candyban | wols_: does it require the "autoconf" package ... not sure what you want me to do with the autoconf.h |
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| 22:05.21 | valdyn | node_6: right |
| 22:05.22 | simonrvn | mentor: now tell me who's the trouble maker |
| 22:05.31 | candyban | wols_: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686/include/linux/autoconf.h |
| 22:05.33 | node_6 | valdyn: thanks for the help :) |
| 22:05.35 | geo-rge | "various basic questions about system services", so this would include the establishment of basic networking? |
| 22:05.43 | mentor | simonrvn: I don't care. What happened in this channel, at that time is all I am dealing with |
| 22:05.43 | wols_ | candyban: no. it requires autoconf.h. different thing |
| 22:05.45 | valdyn | node_6: the black screen is probably X not restoring properly, you want to test and find out if that's it really |
| 22:05.54 | simonrvn | he bitches about ethics and then proceeds to do the same thing he's accusing others of odoing |
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| 22:06.29 | mentor | simonrvn: Well, ethics are great in they apply equally whoever you are. |
| 22:06.50 | geo-rge | meaning: box not on the net, figure out what driver for his net card, figure out how he connects, help him to get connected physically, make sure that works by pinging some outside address by number, establish dns |
| 22:06.53 | mentor | If he causes trouble he will also get kicked up the arse. |
| 22:06.57 | candyban | wols_: so what should I do with the autoconf.h file ? |
| 22:07.17 | wols_ | nothing. that it exists and is at the right place should be all you need |
| 22:07.18 | mzuverink | gconf cli command to change gnome mediaplayer default from Rhythmnbox to Amarok anyone, I am seriously stuck and google provides no answers |
| 22:07.39 | candyban | [00:05] <candyban> wols_: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686/include/linux/autoconf.h |
| 22:07.43 | gryfie | hi.... is there a tool with gui for x, to edit the keyboard in x? Say, if I want to disable the pgdwn and use shift-cursor-down |
| 22:07.47 | valdyn | mzuverink: why do you think that there's a gnome media player default? |
| 22:07.48 | wols_ | candyban: I already saw that |
| 22:07.52 | geo-rge | I'd consider that to be a fundamental system service... agreed? |
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| 22:08.31 | geo-rge | because once he's on the net he can install packages |
| 22:08.33 | valdyn | mzuverink: ( there is no such thing in fact , but several mechanisms that are not from gnome ) |
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| 22:08.49 | candyban | wols_: I suppose it's in the right spot? |
| 22:08.59 | mentor | geo-rge: We're not an installation help desk |
| 22:09.05 | wols_ | candyban: 00:06 < abrotman> /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.c:65:47: error: ../drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h: No such file or directory |
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| 22:09.22 | Edwin_Quijada | where can I get debian sarge 3.1 |
| 22:09.23 | Edwin_Quijada | ? |
| 22:09.24 | geo-rge | so are you saying we do not help with installations? |
| 22:09.28 | wols_ | mentor: huh? we do troubleshoot install issues constantly |
| 22:09.39 | wols_ | it's probably 50% of all talk here (the on topic one) |
| 22:09.42 | geo-rge | that part I really don't understand |
| 22:09.47 | mzuverink | valdyn, cause when I hit a mediaplayer key on my keyboard, it automatically opens RB, its a laptop, and I need that button to open amarok not RB. I just assumed, my error. How would I change that key action? |
| 22:09.59 | mentor | just an |
| 22:10.02 | wols_ | "help debian can't recognize my CD when I try to isntall" is probably the most common |
| 22:10.26 | flixil | What's the other 50%? Hello and can i ask howto install? xD |
| 22:10.38 | candyban | wols_: woops ... missed that :) ... so, what does that mean? I have to install the bttv sources? |
| 22:10.50 | mentor | geo-rge: You're not going to slowly lead me towards your own conclusions, because I do not agree with you. Now, I have said all that I am saying, if you don't agree, you can resort to the measures discussed earlier. |
| 22:10.51 | geo-rge | in fact, I'll go out on the limb here and say "oh yes we -are- an installation help desk... so many things have gone off topic due to channel helper load issues that we do that more often than we do not!" |
| 22:10.51 | wols_ | !tell candyban about search |
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| 22:11.02 | node_6 | valdyn: from console, I see the same behavior except that the black screen does not appear; instead I get a full screen of black and white vertical stripes. I think it's just a video problem because, even though I couldn't see the console, I could restart the PC via 'reboot' |
| 22:11.02 | wols_ | check where the file is, in what package. install it |
| 22:11.10 | valdyn | mzuverink: so you're on sid are you? |
| 22:11.29 | mzuverink | its a sid box yes, though I am not on it now |
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| 22:11.54 | valdyn | mzuverink: that's rather new i think, run gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 22:11.56 | candyban | dpkg -S drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h |
| 22:11.56 | candyban | dpkg: *drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h* not found. |
| 22:11.57 | dpkg | You Fool! drivers/media/video/bt8xx/bttv.h is installed! |
| 22:12.09 | mzuverink | valdyn, Ill try it thanks |
| 22:12.34 | geo-rge | mentor: you are leaving unclear what is allowed and what is not allowed. Now, I (and I'm sure many) do not have a clear boundary of what this channel supports and (unfortunately imo) what it does not (due, again to load issues)_ |
| 22:13.21 | mentor | geo-rge: I suggest you don't carry on |
| 22:13.29 | valdyn | node_6: read up on that at http://www.thinkwiki.org/. There's various issues and fixes, like for instance my thinkpad needs the radeonfb driver loaded for my display to restore properly, yours could be different |
| 22:13.37 | valdyn | node_6: it was a thinkpad, right? |
| 22:13.48 | node_6 | yes. t60 |
| 22:13.59 | valdyn | node_6: ok then - read.. |
| 22:13.59 | candyban | wols_: not sure what you want me to do ... is the error obvious ... what am I missing? |
| 22:14.12 | geo-rge | mentor: you invited me to discuss this here |
| 22:14.23 | wols_ | you are missing bttv.h obviously |
| 22:14.31 | mzuverink | valdyn, on my ubuntu box it only has internet options and sys(terminal choice)Ill have to try it on my sid box when the batt is charged to see if it works |
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| 22:14.46 | Nyle | thats fucked up |
| 22:14.53 | Nyle | too much on a saturday |
| 22:14.54 | valdyn | mzuverink: right, the multimedia part is new with gnome 2.20 |
| 22:15.07 | wols_ | valdyn: gnome 2.20? WHERE? |
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| 22:15.30 | valdyn | wols_: sid |
| 22:15.40 | wols_ | I thought it was 2.18? |
| 22:15.46 | valdyn | !info gnome-control-center sid |
| 22:15.47 | wols_ | oh well, what do I care anyways :) |
| 22:15.48 | dpkg | gnome-control-center: (utilities to configure the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.20.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 609 kB, Installed size: 1532 kB |
| 22:15.55 | wols_ | !info gnome sid |
| 22:15.57 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.18.3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 22:16.27 | valdyn | wols_: still not complete, but his issue is related to gnome-control-center anyway |
| 22:16.46 | mzuverink | valdyn, any idea how to do it in 2.19? I have the same problem with this box, though you dont have to help me with this one since its an Ubuntu box and this is not an Ubuntu channel |
| 22:16.54 | wols_ | mixing and matching gnome versions work? |
| 22:17.28 | valdyn | wols_: debian gnome maintainers take care of deps.. |
| 22:17.43 | mzuverink | valdyn, the machines in question are twin HP laptops, one w/ sid and one w/ feisty |
| 22:17.44 | valdyn | wols_: s/deps/verioned deps/ |
| 22:18.02 | valdyn | mzuverink: that's probably gnome 2.18. It doesn't have that tab |
| 22:18.12 | valdyn | mzuverink: and feisty is off topic here anyway |
| 22:18.39 | mzuverink | valdyn, hence why I said you did not have to help me, I respect that rule |
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| 22:19.17 | mzuverink | valdyn, and true it is 2.18.1 |
| 22:19.41 | mzuverink | valdyn, thanks though, my sid box will be very happy |
| 22:19.53 | valdyn | mzuverink: welcome |
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| 22:21.18 | valdyn | mzuverink: look up: /desktop/gnome/applications/media/exec |
| 22:21.29 | valdyn | mzuverink: i cant tell if that even exists on 2.18.1 though |
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| 22:21.49 | mzuverink | valdyn, ok, thank you |
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| 22:22.45 | candyban | wols_: hmmz ... just checked the lirc.org website and according to them, their "latest" version only support 2.6.20 (which is 0.8.2) ... 0.8.1 supports 2.6.19 ... and sid comes with 0.8.0 which I think supports 2.6.18 (which I managed to build before) |
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| 22:23.46 | wols_ | candyban: then I guess it's another kernel for you |
| 22:23.51 | schemelab | I am using Debian/Etch 4.0 and I am installing Mailman. It says to add some lines to a file /etc/aliases which currently does not exist... is that still the right place under Debian? |
| 22:24.06 | simonrvn | mentor: http://paste.debian.net/39001 |
| 22:24.08 | valdyn | schemelab: yes |
| 22:24.15 | schemelab | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 22:24.58 | candyban | wols_: I tried with a 2.6.18, but when I added a second pvrx500, my nvidia driver started failing ... so 2.6.18 is not an option |
| 22:25.06 | valdyn | schemelab: its often created in the install process, but by specific packages |
| 22:25.18 | mentor | simonrvn: Please stop that |
| 22:25.19 | schemelab | I just created it manually. |
| 22:25.20 | valdyn | schemelab: you can just add your stuff to a new file.. |
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| 22:25.46 | simonrvn | mentor: inform yourself. go ahead and +q me |
| 22:26.43 | mentor | simonrvn: Inform yourself, I don't care. I work on the evidence of hte event at the time. |
| 22:27.12 | mentor | simonrvn: And if you don't stop, it won't be a +Q because you should know how to behave already |
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| 22:27.39 | simonrvn | i know how to behave. |
| 22:27.50 | valdyn | jesus christ |
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| 22:28.01 | freeone3000 | I get faster preformance when I was using the drivers from Nvidia's site than when I used the nvidia-glx package... any possible explaination? |
| 22:28.36 | valdyn | freeone3000: thousands, you dont give near enough information |
| 22:28.37 | wols_ | freeone3000: 7xxx videocard or later? |
| 22:29.28 | skanarchy | freeone3000: nvidia's driver from the website are up to date |
| 22:29.39 | valdyn | freeone3000: from both environments we need output of glxinfo | grep -i direct and the actual performance difference, at the very least |
| 22:32.03 | skanarchy | How to get commands "glxgears" & "glxinfo" i've installed nvidia's driver for my debian today but these commands seem to be not installed... |
| 22:32.29 | wols_ | !tell skanarchy about search |
| 22:32.38 | valdyn | skanarchy: mesa-utils |
| 22:32.47 | skanarchy | ok ^^' |
| 22:32.57 | freeone3000 | wols_: 5200. |
| 22:33.05 | valdyn | skanarchy: if you used nvidias installer it might be that you need to rerun that installer. |
| 22:33.26 | freeone3000 | Ah. No direct rendering. THAT'd be why. |
| 22:33.36 | freeone3000 | Why am I not getting direct rendering with nvidia-glx? |
| 22:34.14 | wols_ | freeone3000: then it shouldn#t mattter. nvidia hasn't done anything for those old GPUs for a long time I guess |
| 22:34.16 | freeone3000 | I've set $LIBGL_DEBUG to verbose, but glxinfo refuses to tell me.. |
| 22:34.22 | valdyn | freeone3000: again a ton of possible reasons |
| 22:34.32 | freeone3000 | Well, let's run through the list... |
| 22:34.39 | skanarchy | valdyn: no my direct rendiring is set up to "yes", and i played ennemy-terrirtory this evening |
| 22:34.59 | valdyn | freeone3000: is the actual driver that one, did you cleanly remove the nvidia installer files, is the actualy loaded kernel module the right one and not still the one with the other version |
| 22:35.38 | valdyn | skanarchy: right, depends on what you already had installed and i gave this warning only because im not sure |
| 22:35.39 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Yes, if its name is "nvidia", I used ./NVID* --uninstall, and yes. |
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| 22:36.19 | valdyn | freeone3000: you remove the other kernel modules from the kernel ? ( modprobe -r nvidia ) |
| 22:36.31 | freeone3000 | Yes. |
| 22:36.40 | valdyn | freeone3000: and made sure the right one is loaded ( modprobe nvidia, modinfo nvidia, dmesg ) |
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| 22:36.51 | skanarchy | valdyn: just manual install with compiling kernel module etc... |
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| 22:37.30 | schemelab | the Mailman installation did not create a mailman user. I think i will remove the debian package and install from source... |
| 22:38.03 | wols_ | skanarchy: ask #nvidia then |
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| 22:38.25 | valdyn | schemelab: sure, as long as you dont ask for support of non-debian mailman in here |
| 22:38.30 | freeone3000 | I have no idea what I'm looking for in modinfo nvidia, but it is loaded. |
| 22:38.41 | schemelab | valdyn: why was the creation of that user not documented? |
| 22:38.42 | valdyn | freeone3000: you're looking for the version of that module |
| 22:38.55 | valdyn | schemelab: i know nothing about mailmain in or out of debian |
| 22:38.58 | schemelab | valdyn: did I miss some docs on installing it? |
| 22:39.12 | valdyn | schemelab: /usr/share/doc/mailmain/README* |
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| 22:39.29 | skanarchy | valdyn: thanks my problem is resolved (it's the good verb ? sorry for my ugly english) |
| 22:39.45 | valdyn | sure |
| 22:40.04 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Does not say. unless it's "vermagic"? |
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| 22:40.15 | valdyn | freeone3000: that's it i think |
| 22:40.27 | chemist | how do i disable agpgart support in th ekernel? |
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| 22:40.37 | freeone3000 | valdyn: "vermagic: 2.6.18-4-k7 SMP mod_unload K7 REGPARM gcc-4.1" |
| 22:40.38 | wols_ | !tell chemist about blacklist |
| 22:40.45 | valdyn | freeone3000: ah, no |
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| 22:40.59 | valdyn | freeone3000: then its in dmesg anyway |
| 22:41.03 | valdyn | freeone3000: run 'dmesg' |
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| 22:41.20 | chemist | !installer blacklist |
| 22:41.21 | dpkg | To blacklist a kernel module while installing Debian, use the following boot parameter: module_name.blacklist=yes . This will blacklist the module during installation and after the system is installed (/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local will be created). |
| 22:41.50 | valdyn | chemist: ops, 'disable'.. sorry |
| 22:41.55 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Only thing with 'nvidia' in it is the kernel complaining the license taints it. |
| 22:42.01 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 22:42.01 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 22:42.14 | valdyn | freeone3000: and the version information too, read.. |
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| 22:43.23 | chemist | do i need to recompile teh kernel then? If i want to remove agpgart from an installed system? |
| 22:43.40 | valdyn | chemist: no, read what dpkg said about blacklist |
| 22:43.58 | freeone3000 | valdyn: I can't find it. Pasted to http://pastebin.ca/728385 |
| 22:44.30 | valdyn | chemist: agpgart itself is probably compiled in but you can blacklist the hardware specific module, like intel_agp or whatever it might be for you |
| 22:44.45 | esaym | I got bind9 installed. Anyone know how to get it to write to it's own log using syslogd? |
| 22:45.01 | valdyn | freeone3000: NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 100.14.19 Wed Sep 12 14:12:24 PDT 2007 |
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| 22:45.19 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Ah. |
| 22:45.20 | valdyn | freeone3000: does that match? |
| 22:45.27 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.30 | schemelab | Thanks valdyn. I think I will stick with the debian pkg. Whoever built it made sure the process would work |
| 22:45.39 | chemist | I'm trying to instal ati drivers and teh ati site says agpgart will conflict. will putting it in blacklist.local fix that? |
| 22:45.41 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Yes. |
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| 22:45.59 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 22:46.02 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 22:46.02 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 22:46.04 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.19-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4166 kB, Installed size: 13224 kB |
| 22:46.13 | freeone3000 | Unstable. |
| 22:46.17 | freeone3000 | Sid would be the one. |
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| 22:46.30 | valdyn | ok, and still no direct rendering |
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| 22:47.05 | freeone3000 | Right. |
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| 22:48.20 | valdyn | freeone3000: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log too |
| 22:49.16 | valdyn | freeone3000: but this is probably still caused by unclean removal of nvidias installer things |
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| 22:50.03 | lindenle | How do i add a static route for one ip address on one interface? |
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| 22:52.49 | freeone3000 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m1c392098 |
| 22:53.23 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: with route, ala route -host target gw dev iface; or similar |
| 22:53.24 | valdyn | lindenle: route add -net <ip> netmask 255.255.255.255 <interface> |
| 22:53.45 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: depending on what exact type of route you were planing on adding |
| 22:53.59 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: you can make it permanent with an up rule in /etc/network/interfaces for that interface |
| 22:54.26 | dondelelcaro | (or a pointtopoint or similar) |
| 22:54.44 | dondelelcaro | s/tt/t/ |
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| 22:54.59 | valdyn | freeone3000: fine, last place is the libGL* in /usr/lib/ and 'ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo' output, and if that matches the libraries it should use, not the ones coming from nvidias installer |
| 22:55.02 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.08 | lindenle | so... what should i do |
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| 22:55.51 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: that should actually just work |
| 22:56.05 | lindenle | really....doesn't seem to |
| 22:56.14 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: assuming you've got the net masks on the router set properly, anyway. |
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| 22:56.47 | freeone3000 | valdyn: `lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Oct 5 12:32 /usr/lib/libGL.so -> /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa` doesn't look right. |
| 22:56.50 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: can you access it from the router? |
| 22:57.02 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: no |
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| 22:57.25 | valdyn | freeone3000: right, that is shite |
| 22:57.30 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: this might be slightly more complicated b/c the router is doing the ppoe so I am not sure if the ppp0 device is the correct one |
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| 22:58.00 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: oh, yeah, it would be. You'd have to add a route for the eth0 iface to 192.168.0.0 |
| 22:58.15 | lindenle | ok let me try that |
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| 22:58.20 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: or whichever interface is plugged into the modem |
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| 22:58.54 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Okay, now that we know what the problem is.. how should I fix it? |
| 22:58.55 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: thats what I am trying to figure out this thing has like 8 interfaces ;) |
| 22:59.16 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: well, it'll either be eth0 or eth1, and it should be obvious based on the ip address that ifconfig shows |
| 22:59.22 | dcnoye | how do i upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 22:59.29 | dondelelcaro | !etch->lenny |
| 22:59.30 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 23:00.02 | dcnoye | thanks |
| 23:00.04 | valdyn | !find /usr/lib/nvidia |
| 23:00.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/lib/nvidia' returned no results. |
| 23:00.19 | lindenle | can i ask the the ppp what device it is using? |
| 23:00.22 | dondelelcaro | !+find usr/lib/nvidia |
| 23:00.24 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:00.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/lib/nvidia' (3 of 4): (/usr/lib/nvidia/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.7185) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx ;; (/usr/lib/nvidia/{libnvidia-cfg.so.100.14.19|libnvidia-tls.so.100.14.19}) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/usr/lib/nvidia/{libnvidia-cfg.so.1.0.9639|libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.9639}) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx. |
| 23:00.42 | dondelelcaro | packages don't have a leading / |
| 23:00.54 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: you don't want to use the pppoe device |
| 23:01.14 | freeone3000 | valdyn: install one of those even tough I have installed nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 23:01.22 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: right but it must know what etherb=net port it is talking over to do ppoe |
| 23:01.31 | valdyn | freeone3000: that symbolic link shouldnt be used by applications, its from the nvidia-glx-dev package if anything and its not instaled |
| 23:01.52 | valdyn | freeone3000: you run 'ldd glxinfo' and watch that the libGL listed there is actually the right one |
| 23:02.25 | valdyn | freeone3000: err, that symbolic link _would_ be from nvidia-glx-dev if that was instaled, right now its from mesa, that's perfectly fine.. |
| 23:02.25 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Ah. |
| 23:02.41 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: right; I don't know how to have pppoe show you that |
| 23:02.51 | freeone3000 | valdyn: ldd `which glxinfo` tells me /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 3 17:31 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.100.14.19" |
| 23:03.08 | freeone3000 | valdyn: THe second of which is a normal file. |
| 23:03.14 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: ok so I have eth0 eth0.0 eth0.1 wl0 br-lan and ppp0 so which would you suggest trying? |
| 23:03.42 | valdyn | freeone3000: did you run glxinfo as root just now? |
| 23:04.13 | valdyn | freeone3000: that alone could disable direct rendering, you're supposed to run that command as the X user |
| 23:04.42 | freeone3000 | valdyn: I'm doing all of this as the x user. |
| 23:05.12 | valdyn | freeone3000: aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx |
| 23:05.38 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Should I stop x first? |
| 23:05.44 | valdyn | freeone3000: no |
| 23:06.08 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: got the interface now |
| 23:06.46 | valdyn | freeone3000: your running X Server is fine, your applications are using the wrong / the fucked up libGL |
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| 23:07.04 | freeone3000 | "ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8774 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start." <- something I should worry about? |
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| 23:07.30 | valdyn | freeone3000: sure, what the fuck is that one doing there? |
| 23:07.50 | freeone3000 | No clue. |
| 23:07.59 | lindenle | dondelelcaro: unfortunately it is a vlan eth0.1 and does not seem to work with ip route add.... |
| 23:08.05 | valdyn | freeone3000: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8774 |
| 23:08.19 | valdyn | freeone3000: if that file is in no package then remove it |
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| 23:09.01 | freeone3000 | Okay, it wasn't, so just rm'd it. |
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| 23:09.13 | valdyn | freeone3000: still no direct rendering? |
| 23:09.33 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Should I restart x before checking? |
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| 23:09.42 | valdyn | freeone3000: nooo, your X server is good |
| 23:09.45 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Without restarting, still says no. |
| 23:09.53 | valdyn | freeone3000: try with 'sudo glxinfo' |
| 23:10.01 | tuxre | hi there. after compiling an 2.6.23-rt2 i get an error while booting. it sounds like "error mounting udev /dev", later "error initializing udev socket", later it stops at "mounting root filesystem". system halts. ideas?... im out of them. i compiled all needed filesystem-supports, thats for sure |
| 23:10.09 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Still no. |
| 23:10.12 | valdyn | freeone3000: unless sudo is not setup.. |
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| 23:10.34 | internat2 | so im after some definitie information about debian and infrared support.. is there any usb ir that is/isnt supported etc, or is it pretty generic? |
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| 23:12.10 | simonrvn | test |
| 23:12.35 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Sudo is setup properly. |
| 23:12.52 | valdyn | freeone3000: ls -l /that/libGL.so.100 etc please |
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| 23:13.28 | freeone3000 | valdyn: No such file or directory. |
| 23:13.51 | valdyn | freeone3000: the proper one, the one which /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 links to |
| 23:14.34 | freeone3000 | "ll /usr/lib/libGL.so.100.14.19" gives-"rw-r--r-- 1 root root 595K Sep 22 15:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.100.14.19" |
| 23:14.42 | valdyn | freeone3000: must have that size -rw-r--r-- 1 valdyn valdyn 609200 23. Sep 02:25 libGL.so.100.14.19 |
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| 23:15.06 | freeone3000 | valdyn: That matches. |
| 23:15.14 | valdyn | freeone3000: yep |
| 23:15.32 | valdyn | freeone3000: ok, i give up because im out of time. |
| 23:15.39 | deadcat | cant seem to find CONFIG_NF_NAT in 2.6.22, can i get some help? |
| 23:15.42 | valdyn | freeone3000: cant see the mismatch but im sure there's one.. |
| 23:15.43 | dondelelcaro | lindenle: yeah, you seem to be running some wierd bridge setup. |
| 23:16.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: its there at least as of -2 |
| 23:16.36 | freeone3000 | Anyone else have a clue? |
| 23:17.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cant seem to find it in .config or menuconfig )= |
| 23:17.17 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: try repeating your question again |
| 23:17.33 | freeone3000 | I'm using the nvidia-glx package and am not getting direct rendering. |
| 23:17.35 | freeone3000 | Why not? |
| 23:17.59 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: you're using the nvidia driver and you pasted us your X log? |
| 23:18.21 | freeone3000 | Yes, using driver, log was pasted previously and is here: http://pastebin.com/m1c392098 |
| 23:19.59 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: looks like it did load the dri driver and everything; I personally don't know enough about the nvidia setup to really help you debug it though |
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| 23:21.50 | mentor | mode #debian -b *!*@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net |
| 23:22.10 | simonrvn | try again ;) |
| 23:22.13 | cloakable | Heh |
| 23:22.18 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net] by mentor |
| 23:22.24 | internat2 | *hands mentor a / * |
| 23:22.35 | S4nD3r | im looking for a good server |
| 23:22.38 | S4nD3r | http://ed2kmet.x24hr.com/pl/slist.pl?download/server-max.met I was using that |
| 23:22.39 | mentor | I've received several donations of /s |
| 23:22.42 | S4nD3r | to use in amule |
| 23:22.47 | mentor | I promise to give them out to good homes |
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| 23:28.19 | themill | mentor: I noticed in my back log that you have a rather different picture of what #debian is and should be to most of the regulars who help here. Since it's late and I'm about to go to bed (hence not going to be drawn into a discussion now), could you just point me to a web page that talks about what is and isn't on topic for this channel? Thanks. |
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| 23:29.40 | stew | themill: no such web page exists. this channel is for end user support of debian. |
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| 23:30.19 | UEnigma | Hey channel. I just got a quick question. |
| 23:30.29 | themill | stew: I know that. I was just surprised to see this one in particular which goes very much against recent experience. <mentor> geo-rge: We're not an installation help desk |
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| 23:30.32 | simonrvn | just ask |
| 23:30.38 | cr3 | in a project consisting of multiple debian packages, is there a way to reuse an installation script instead of having to copy and paste it for each package? |
| 23:30.45 | mentor | themill: *just an* |
| 23:31.06 | themill | mentor: thanks for the clarification. |
| 23:31.08 | UEnigma | For the longest time I thought that randomly (it would just happen) sometimes my speakers wouldn't work. The fix was restarting my machine. |
| 23:31.10 | mentor | That is to say, we're not here just to get them installed, and then they can fend for themeselves |
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| 23:31.58 | UEnigma | Well I realized that, after getting some good speakers with bass, that it's outputting the music really low. |
| 23:32.20 | UEnigma | It doesn't appear to be the volume, anyone know what I can try? |
| 23:32.26 | cr3 | abrotman: thanks, but that's now quite what I'm looking for. lets say I have a project with debian/foo.postinst and debian/bar.postinst. both are essentially the same but with very slight differences which can be passed on the command-line, so how can I manage this without too much copying and pasting? |
| 23:32.36 | stew | UEnigma: are you looking at both the volume for Master but also for PCM? |
| 23:32.45 | UEnigma | Yup |
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| 23:33.08 | mentor | UEnigma: Does running speaker-test when they're 'broken' produce any output? If you plug in headphones cna you hear anyhting? |
| 23:33.10 | UEnigma | I keep PSM around 75% else it starts putting out some interference. |
| 23:33.18 | themill | sweet dreams all! |
| 23:33.18 | themill | dpkg: g'night |
| 23:33.19 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 23:33.32 | UEnigma | mentor, I'll try that. |
| 23:33.49 | simonrvn | themill: g'night |
| 23:34.30 | UEnigma | Speaker-test doesn't appear to play anything. |
| 23:35.20 | UEnigma | The only reason I noticed that they were outputing something was I turned up the volume on the speaker to max and ran "yes | aplay" |
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| 23:35.40 | UEnigma | ANd a low "beep" started playing. I played music and it is faint but there. |
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| 23:36.46 | stew | UEnigma: do you only have one sound card in that machine? ("cat /proc/asound/cards" would tell you) |
| 23:37.06 | rjm | I'm a complete newb, how I do multiple processes or exit the current process/change processes |
| 23:37.12 | UEnigma | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.12 | UEnigma | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.12 | UEnigma | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.12 | UEnigma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:37.14 | rjm | you need x windows for that? |
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| 23:37.41 | UEnigma_ | Sorry, I forgot about pasting multi lines |
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| 23:38.12 | seto1 | what is the good way to use a debian etch and powertop with kernel 2.6.21 ? |
| 23:38.17 | rjm | like if I'm uploading something through ftp, and I just want to get out of the current console process so I can check sysinfo or browse directories |
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| 23:39.06 | UEnigma_ | stew, did that help? |
| 23:39.21 | stew | rjm: you can use alt+{f1,f2,f3} for different virtual consoles. you can hit ctrl-z to suspend a job, you can type "bg" to start that job running in the background. "jobs" will list all jobs you can select with 'fg %1' or 'fg %2' etc |
| 23:39.40 | stew | rjm: however, the "screen" utility is a very handy one you should get to know |
| 23:40.07 | seto1 | oh I find it on backports sorry for the question |
| 23:40.10 | tt | holy macaroni. I just got alsa to work with my intel-hda sound card. |
| 23:40.16 | stew | UEnigma_: so from what i saw you have at least two sound devices, are you sure you are using the correct one for playback and are adjusting the volumn on the correct one? |
| 23:40.31 | rjm | stew: awesome, tryin git |
| 23:40.36 | rjm | trying* |
| 23:40.47 | UEnigma_ | Not sure. |
| 23:40.47 | stew | rjm: find a screen tutorial |
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| 23:41.34 | atlfalcons866 | can i install debian from the network |
| 23:41.36 | UEnigma_ | Yup |
| 23:42.04 | UEnigma_ | I just tried playing "yes | aplay" and turned the "Headphones" up and down and I can hear the difference. |
| 23:42.10 | atlfalcons866 | !ext3 |
| 23:42.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs> and <ricerfs>. |
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| 23:42.59 | atlfalcons866 | what fs should i use |
| 23:43.06 | stew | atlfalcons866: when in doubt, use ext3 |
| 23:43.31 | atlfalcons866 | is jfs supported |
| 23:44.13 | stew | atlfalcons866: yes. probably not by grub, however |
| 23:45.22 | UEnigma_ | I just tried "alsamixer" same issue, seems like my laptop is outputting the volume lower |
| 23:46.03 | UEnigma_ | I noticed this issue when I switched to Ubuntu and then to Debian, never happened under windows so I think it's not hardware. |
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| 23:48.10 | UEnigma_ | Anyone? |
| 23:48.11 | stef_ | I want to install a deb |
| 23:48.20 | stef_ | and it tells me I dont have xlibs installed |
| 23:48.23 | stef_ | !google xlibs |
| 23:48.24 | msan | Results for xlibs on Google: |
| 23:48.24 | msan | -- |
| 23:48.33 | stef_ | what is this xlibs? |
| 23:48.37 | stef_ | aptitude search gives |
| 23:49.08 | stef_ | xlibs-data |
| 23:49.15 | stef_ | and xlibs-static-dev |
| 23:49.23 | stef_ | this is what aptitude search gives me |
| 23:49.33 | stef_ | what is this xlibs and where can I find it ? |
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| 23:50.16 | UEnigma_ | http://packages.debian.org/sarge-backports/xlibs |
| 23:50.47 | msan | stef_: what deb are you trying to install ? |
| 23:51.31 | stew | stef_: xlib is the protocol that X clients use to talk to the X server |
| 23:51.46 | UEnigma_ | Guess I am just stuck with restarting the machine a few times? |
| 23:51.55 | stew | UEnigma_: i thought you had figured it out and it was just that you needed to adjust the headphone volume |
| 23:52.02 | stef_ | cedega.deb |
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| 23:52.24 | UEnigma_ | Oh no. I just meant that it goes up and down, but it is still really low |
| 23:52.34 | UEnigma_ | Sorry for that. |
| 23:52.57 | stef_ | msan: cedega |
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| 23:53.09 | UEnigma_ | i have the speakers plugged into the headphone jack |
| 23:53.29 | msan | UEnigma_: have you tried using alsaconf to have it pick the right sound card, etc. That usually works for me. |
| 23:53.36 | msan | stef_: you are using Sarge ? |
| 23:54.18 | UEnigma_ | tried that. still nothin :( |
| 23:54.36 | msan | stef_: or is that from some other repository ? |
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| 23:55.00 | UEnigma_ | Still the low output. |
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| 23:56.05 | msan | UEnigma_: you've got two sound cards apparently from your earlier pasting. you get low volume with both of them ? |
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| 23:56.38 | UEnigma_ | THe seond is my modem or something, when I switch to it, it doesn't evn have volume controls. |
| 23:56.54 | stef_ | msan: lenny |
| 23:56.55 | UEnigma_ | In "Volume Controls" |
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| 23:59.06 | UEnigma_ | Do you think it is a setting issue? It is playing, just really low. |
| 23:59.20 | msan | stef_: yeah, but cedega is not a debian package, you get it from some other place. |
| 23:59.46 | msan | UEnigma_: I think it is a setting issue, or maybe that wrong driver being used. |
