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| 00:00.38 | UEnigma_ | Well it works half the time with no issue. |
| 00:00.49 | UEnigma_ | Depends from boot to boot |
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| 00:01.17 | geo-rge | (I'm here by mentor's invite) |
| 00:02.45 | UEnigma_ | other than alsamixer any other way to change the volume? |
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| 00:03.02 | geo-rge | put head closer or further from speakers? |
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| 00:03.41 | geo-rge | oh, alsamixer interfaces to alsa mixer device... anything else that does that can also adjust volume |
| 00:04.03 | UEnigma_ | geo-rge, it plays real low, my ear on the speaker and it still isn't putting out enough sound. |
| 00:04.17 | geo-rge | hmm |
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| 00:04.28 | geo-rge | do your speakers connect to power? |
| 00:04.30 | UEnigma_ | The issue is, depends from boot to boot, the speakers will just play very low. |
| 00:04.42 | raevol | well everything currently installed (xorg/xdm/fluxbox/synergy/xchat) is working |
| 00:04.43 | rjm | my virtual machine installation of debian seems to have its connection reset every hour or so, though my regular internet connection is fine (connecting though a router) |
| 00:04.45 | geo-rge | oh, so sometimes it works? |
| 00:04.48 | UEnigma_ | Yup |
| 00:04.52 | raevol | ah wrong room lawl |
| 00:04.59 | UEnigma_ | My solution was to restart. |
| 00:05.07 | UEnigma_ | But it is annyoing and still not dpendable. |
| 00:05.15 | UEnigma_ | Sometimes it takes 3 reboots |
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| 00:05.23 | geo-rge | hmm, it's generally hoped that a restart should not be needed |
| 00:06.20 | UEnigma_ | Yeah, I thought the boot was fixing it because for some reason it wasn't finding the hardware, I got new speakers (this with and amp) and I discover it is putting out sound, just very low. |
| 00:06.54 | geo-rge | ok |
| 00:07.10 | geo-rge | what if you run alsaconf |
| 00:07.26 | UEnigma_ | Tried that, issue remains |
| 00:07.43 | geo-rge | ok, check lsmod to see if sound modules are there |
| 00:07.53 | geo-rge | I guess they should be if anything's working at all |
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| 00:08.13 | geo-rge | this smells like an issue with a specific chipset but I can't be sure |
| 00:08.41 | UEnigma_ | Looks like the modules are there. |
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| 00:09.44 | geo-rge | any possibility you have multiple sets of sound hardware (like, two soundcards, a soundcard and sound chipset on mobo, something like that) |
| 00:10.09 | UEnigma_ | I have a modem listed, but it has no sound controls. |
| 00:10.33 | UEnigma_ | And and OSS Mixer, but hte volume on that is 100% also |
| 00:10.35 | geo-rge | modem... some modems are soundcards... |
| 00:10.44 | bush | some soundcards are modems... |
| 00:10.57 | geo-rge | right that too |
| 00:10.58 | UEnigma_ | It's on my laptop, if that helps. |
| 00:11.11 | UEnigma_ | It does have a 56K modem |
| 00:11.23 | UEnigma_ | Does anyone use 56K anymore!? |
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| 00:12.45 | UEnigma_ | hmm? |
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| 00:13.10 | geo-rge | about 2400 baud modems, makes you want to get out and push |
| 00:13.19 | geo-rge | nm :) |
| 00:13.22 | UEnigma_ | :D |
| 00:13.41 | UEnigma_ | So? Am I doomed to restarts? |
| 00:14.03 | geo-rge | the truth is I don't know |
| 00:14.15 | UEnigma_ | I always thought, that if you had an issue in linux you could fix it. A problem in WIndows means you have to format and reinstall and pray. |
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| 00:15.23 | geo-rge | could you do "grep alsaconf /etc/init.d/*" |
| 00:15.42 | geo-rge | and tell me if there's any output |
| 00:15.56 | UEnigma_ | nope |
| 00:16.00 | UEnigma_ | No output |
| 00:16.24 | geo-rge | so it's not doing alsaconf every boot, at least not by a script in that dir |
| 00:16.45 | UEnigma_ | Uh, I dunno. |
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| 00:16.58 | UEnigma_ | We were messing with alsaconf... |
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| 00:17.13 | geo-rge | oh? how so? |
| 00:17.33 | UEnigma_ | Like ran it it and tried picking hte right sound card. |
| 00:17.50 | UEnigma_ | But still it is outputting sound, just uber low. |
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| 00:18.19 | cr3 | where can I find the policy for files under /etc/default? ie, what is their purpose exactly? |
| 00:18.46 | geo-rge | should be to set boottime settings |
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| 00:19.11 | cr3 | geo-rge: boottime only or can it be configuration files for applications as well? |
| 00:19.37 | geo-rge | first... I don't know the policy document very well... |
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| 00:19.48 | geo-rge | but you do bring up a good point |
| 00:20.08 | cr3 | geo-rge: I think you're right though, these are all sourceable files probably meant to be called from init scripts |
| 00:20.35 | geo-rge | the other thing is I don't know if they want to keep /etc/default (my guess reason: isn't that what /etc is for?) |
| 00:20.44 | cr3 | geo-rge: so, for applications, I'm wondering if configuration files containing default values should go under /etc or /usr/share/project |
| 00:21.31 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:21.53 | UEnigma_ | Thanks for your help geo-rge, I appreciate the time you've given me. |
| 00:22.06 | UEnigma_ | Any last ditch effort before i restart? |
| 00:22.06 | geo-rge | UEnigma_: don't go away |
| 00:22.10 | the_hammer | hello im wodering if anyone has a distro of debian with compiz fusion? |
| 00:22.37 | UEnigma_ | geo-rge, ok. |
| 00:22.44 | geo-rge | I don't... my x is not working at all --GRRR-- |
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| 00:24.21 | the_hammer | anyone? |
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| 00:25.32 | geo-rge | if you do... consider just coming across with the details of your situation,,, if you're having a problem, a helper will figure out if he can help if he knows some details |
| 00:25.37 | the_hammer | i like debian but i want compiz fusion wondering if theres a debian that will allow me to have compiz fusion in it |
| 00:26.01 | UEnigma_ | geo-rge, whatcha thinking? |
| 00:26.13 | geo-rge | I think so, it's going to take at minimum hardware support for 3d acceleration |
| 00:26.21 | geo-rge | phone |
| 00:26.29 | robboplus | do you know which package contains aclocal and automake? |
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| 00:27.27 | UEnigma_ | DAMN! |
| 00:27.30 | geo-rge | autotools? |
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| 00:27.33 | geo-rge | back. |
| 00:27.34 | UEnigma_ | I just leaped outta y skin!! |
| 00:27.35 | robboplus | oh hm. |
| 00:27.44 | geo-rge | too loud? :) |
| 00:27.52 | UEnigma_ | I clicked a ckeckbox and freak it worked! |
| 00:27.57 | hobophobe | I'm trying to debug a problem with keytouch that requires I open its settings and click 'apply' for it to work properly. |
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| 00:27.58 | UEnigma_ | I have a amp and everythign! |
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| 00:28.15 | UEnigma_ | "[X] Mix" |
| 00:28.24 | hobophobe | What I've done is instead of pointing directly to my command I now point to a shell script that calls it so I can change the script to see the results. |
| 00:28.25 | geo-rge | what checkbox, and how many people in your neighborhood did you just wake up? :) |
| 00:28.31 | robboplus | configure.ac:35: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL |
| 00:28.31 | robboplus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.33 | robboplus | i will die. |
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| 00:28.47 | tremby | having some network issues on debian lenny. i can ping certain addresses and get on certain irc networks but can't ping others, including google. the ips are resolved without a problem but then i get no packets back. my fedora machine on the same network has no trouble. any ideas? |
| 00:29.00 | geo-rge | hmm, there is a libtool package, or libtools? hmm |
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| 00:29.26 | robboplus | many thanks george! checking that one |
| 00:29.28 | hobophobe | The problem is, it's supposed to run 'gnome-screensaver-command -l" to lock the screen, and it DOES run that command (I did "gnome-screensaver-command -V -l > /tmp/helloworld.txt" and the version gets printed) but the screen doesn't lock |
| 00:29.58 | UEnigma_ | geo-rge, in volume control. "External Amplifier" it blasts if unchecked. |
| 00:29.59 | geo-rge | tremby: could it be one machine has some (weird :) firewall rules? |
| 00:30.03 | UEnigma_ | I damn near died. |
| 00:30.06 | hobophobe | So I'm currently trying to figure out, maybe I need to change the user/group that keytouchd runs as? |
| 00:30.18 | UEnigma_ | I sure hope I didnt blow my $100 speakers |
| 00:30.46 | geo-rge | glad it worked out :) |
| 00:30.52 | geo-rge | never would have thought... |
| 00:30.53 | tremby | geo-rge: i don't think so. this machine (debian, the one having the trouble) is pretty much a clean installation. but how can i check? |
| 00:31.08 | hobophobe | the question is, if applying the settings allows keytouch to lock, it can't be permission-based, but if the command is run... what can it be? |
| 00:31.14 | UEnigma_ | Seriously, my sub is on the floor, I could have blown my clothes off |
| 00:31.25 | geo-rge | see if iptables -L says much besides "empty" and "accept" |
| 00:31.49 | UEnigma_ | THanks guys, |
| 00:31.50 | UEnigma_ | Laters. |
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| 00:32.08 | geo-rge | my sub is on the floor too, but fortunately for anyone else, I'm in the bottom floor :) |
| 00:32.51 | tremby | geo-rge: it's all "accept" in there -- input, forward and output. |
| 00:32.53 | the_hammer | what debian has compiz fusion? |
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| 00:33.10 | hobophobe | has compiz, don't think has fusion yet? |
| 00:33.23 | geo-rge | !info compiz etch |
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| 00:33.28 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 00:33.41 | geo-rge | !info compiz-fusion etch |
| 00:33.56 | simonrvn | it will most certainly not be in etch |
| 00:33.59 | geo-rge | 17:33 <dpkg> Package 'compiz-fusion' does not exist. |
| 00:34.31 | geo-rge | the earlier project beryl exists but isn't developed on or supported |
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| 00:34.47 | the_hammer | ya i have beryl now |
| 00:34.53 | n_np | why does xorg keep starting on low res? I want 1280x1024 this is a 17" screen :/ |
| 00:34.54 | geo-rge | any good? |
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| 00:35.23 | geo-rge | n_np: you'd have to re-order the resolutions in the config file |
| 00:35.30 | the_hammer | its ok but after seeing demo vids of compiz fusion makes beryl look like junk lol |
| 00:35.50 | n_np | geo-rge, but ctrl+alt++ should cycle through them |
| 00:35.55 | geo-rge | yes |
| 00:36.04 | geo-rge | and it doesn't? |
| 00:36.11 | n_np | nope :( |
| 00:36.12 | the_hammer | ubunpoop has it and so does sabayon but they suck heh |
| 00:36.29 | geo-rge | hmm, the simplest possibility is you only have one res defined |
| 00:36.59 | geo-rge | what's sabayon? |
| 00:37.04 | n_np | let me check |
| 00:37.09 | n_np | what is the conf file? |
| 00:37.17 | claudio` | Can i have the tabs support in console without GNU screen? |
| 00:37.37 | the_hammer | sabayon is based off of genpoo |
| 00:38.02 | hobophobe | heh |
| 00:38.19 | the_hammer | well take care all |
| 00:38.19 | hobophobe | when you 'apply' in the keytouch settings it kills and restarts the daemon (keytouchd) |
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| 00:38.26 | hobophobe | hmm... |
| 00:38.55 | tremby | what does it mean when a package has been kept back by apt-get upgrade? i'd like those particular packages upgraded if possible |
| 00:39.01 | geo-rge | it should do that right? |
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| 00:39.10 | geo-rge | kill/restart dae? |
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| 00:39.57 | simonrvn | uh, tabs? |
| 00:40.38 | geo-rge | claudio: by gnu screen you mean the virtual terminal thing? |
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| 00:42.34 | robboplus | another mess... configure: error: Missing openssl |
| 00:42.38 | robboplus | i do have openssl installed |
| 00:42.44 | robboplus | how can i verify what is missing? |
| 00:42.48 | simonrvn | libssl-dev ... |
| 00:42.52 | robboplus | hrhm. |
| 00:43.16 | robboplus | simonrvn: libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8c-4etch1) but 0.9.8e-8 is to be installed |
| 00:43.34 | simonrvn | use aptitude... that's called a security update |
| 00:43.44 | robboplus | oh hm. |
| 00:44.16 | robboplus | Score is -1090 |
| 00:44.25 | robboplus | it wants to downgrade several packages now |
| 00:44.38 | robboplus | and remove libpq5 |
| 00:45.20 | robboplus | i think i will just try it - thank you very much simonrvn |
| 00:45.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:46.02 | geo-rge | libpq? that's pg isnt' it |
| 00:46.58 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 00:52.05 | stef_ | I'm trying to use ps xau | cut --fields=2 |
| 00:52.09 | stef_ | and it doesn't work |
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| 00:52.39 | stef_ | I just want to take the second column of the output of ps xau |
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| 00:55.12 | asg | stef_: use awk '{print $2}' |
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| 00:56.08 | geo-rge | in the debian package of irssi, I now have 10 windows... if I get another, how do I get to it? |
| 00:56.20 | asg | geo-rge: /win 11 |
| 00:56.23 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: /win 11, or assign alt-q to it |
| 00:56.38 | geo-rge | to something like next_win? |
| 00:56.42 | dondelelcaro | (you can also use alt-(left/right arrow) |
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| 00:57.30 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: no, more like keyboard = ({ key = "meta-q"; id = "change_window"; data = "11"; },...) |
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| 00:58.13 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: http://paste.debian.net/39005 if you want the full set |
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| 00:59.34 | dondelelcaro | (the problem really starts when you get more than 40 windows) |
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| 01:00.55 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ooh neat |
| 01:01.13 | george__ | I'm getting this weird thing with x... when I switch to a vt which used to have an x running (vt7, say), keyboard stops working to it... usb kbd, unplug, shows usb activity, plug, shows more activity, keys don't get thru, so I can't (for example) get to alt-F1 since that would require a keypress |
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| 01:01.49 | vienna_ | re folks |
| 01:01.51 | vienna_ | i dare to have one more prob - error: mysql.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:01.53 | vienna_ | what on earth can be missing? mysql-server is installed |
| 01:02.07 | george__ | debian etch, 2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 (a xen dom0) |
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| 01:02.17 | asg | vienna_: but not the -dev packages for the library required |
| 01:02.41 | george__ | tried to use nvidia and nv before |
| 01:02.49 | vienna_ | asg oh hrhm. |
| 01:02.55 | asg | vienna_: libmysqlclient15-dev: usr/include/mysql/mysql.h |
| 01:03.10 | dondelelcaro | george__: yeah, the way to get out of that is to log in and run chvt 1; or similar |
| 01:03.10 | asg | vienna_: in the future, the 'apt-file' package will be useful |
| 01:03.14 | dondelelcaro | george__: using ssh or similar |
| 01:03.24 | vienna_ | asg thank you - both advices are greatly appreciated |
| 01:03.31 | asg | vienna_: you're welcome |
| 01:03.32 | george__ | ok, trying |
| 01:03.43 | vienna_ | just making a note on apt-file |
| 01:04.02 | asg | dondelelcaro: I still have to pronounce 'chvt' as 'shove it' |
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| 01:04.11 | george__ | thanks! |
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| 01:04.20 | dto | hi |
| 01:04.26 | george__ | don: one sec, there's more to this... |
| 01:04.52 | geo-rge | ok, excellent |
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| 01:07.01 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: ok, you got me out of that one... sheesh, thought I was going to lose my scrollback... |
| 01:07.16 | geo-rge | how do I save an irssi scrollback? |
| 01:07.37 | bush | enable logging |
| 01:07.57 | geo-rge | hmm, that's the only way? ok, so do that and then /lastlog |
| 01:07.59 | dondelelcaro | /lastlog -file foofile |
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| 01:08.31 | dondelelcaro | (though generally you want to save it all, and so you use logging to do that) |
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| 01:10.16 | danf_1979 | Is there any special group a given user must belong so to be capable of reading a usb memory stick? |
| 01:10.40 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: not by default |
| 01:11.14 | danf_1979 | dondelelcaro, /media/usb would be the memory stick? |
| 01:11.24 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: depends on your udev configuration |
| 01:11.28 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: had you been through the kbd disconnect thing before? |
| 01:11.59 | danf_1979 | dondelelcaro, I don't think I have touched udev, so it must be default |
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| 01:12.43 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: with what? an X vt? |
| 01:13.05 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 01:13.16 | geo-rge | I'm trying to figure how close our situations are |
| 01:13.47 | dondelelcaro | yes; the way you get out of it is to log in and run chvt |
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| 01:15.23 | geo-rge | ok, so here's the other part: |
| 01:16.17 | geo-rge | I had tried to get X going, and got to the point of getting nv support working, and the X worked after I drxxd it |
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| 01:16.54 | danf_1979 | dondelelcaro, maybe the device does not get automatically mounted? |
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| 01:17.01 | geo-rge | except, the first time I ran the x server it showed the x cursor and I could move it and everything, the next times I couldn't |
| 01:17.02 | grub_problem | hello all.. |
| 01:17.06 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: they don't unless you're using hal or similar |
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| 01:17.31 | grub_problem | i just installed debian etch here.. but when i first reboot, i got a grub error 17 here |
| 01:17.39 | danf_1979 | Uhm, that must be it then, because /var/log/messages does show the device |
| 01:17.47 | geo-rge | what's error 17? |
| 01:17.48 | danf_1979 | How may I mount it? |
| 01:18.19 | grub_problem | doesn't work when pressing the esc key during bootup.. just displays grub error 17 right away. how can i fix this? |
| 01:18.58 | grub_problem | geo-rge, something to do with mounting/finding the root partition i think |
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| 01:19.10 | grub_problem | anybody can help me here? |
| 01:19.28 | geo-rge | well knowing exactly what that error is will help a little |
| 01:19.53 | geo-rge | what are you booted into right now? |
| 01:19.54 | grub_problem | how will i fix this? my partitions are: /dev/sda1 is my /boot; /dev/sda2 is my swap; and /dev/sda3 is an LVM partition where the / is also located |
| 01:20.27 | geo-rge | grub_problem: first find out exactly what error 17 is |
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| 01:20.32 | grub_problem | geo-rge, grub error 17 is the only thing displayed on my screen |
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| 01:20.50 | geo-rge | you mean aside from the irc client? :) |
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| 01:21.02 | grub_problem | geo-rge, i'm running knoppix right now |
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| 01:21.20 | geo-rge | oh, yes, and you' |
| 01:21.26 | geo-rge | re trying to get to debian now |
| 01:21.39 | jeffwheeler | Is it possible to revert from a Sid system to an Etch system without reinstalling? |
| 01:21.56 | geo-rge | grub_problem: can you man grub or info grub? |
| 01:22.49 | geo-rge | jeffwheeler: reverting/downgrading is not specifically supported... that's the general case... and unless I miss my guess you have a lot of packages installed... |
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| 01:24.13 | jeffwheeler | geo-rge: yeah, that's what I expected; it's not a big deal since it was just installed today. |
| 01:24.14 | jeffwheeler | Thanks |
| 01:24.44 | grub_problem | geo-rge, what about man grub? |
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| 01:25.42 | geo-rge | here it is: |
| 01:26.42 | geo-rge | 17 : Cannot mount selected partition ==== This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB. |
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| 01:26.58 | efaistos | did someone has a successful use of compiz with lenny packages ? |
| 01:27.02 | geo-rge | grub_problem: that's error 17 |
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| 01:27.14 | gryfie_ | hi |
| 01:27.20 | efaistos | beryl works well but not compiz |
| 01:27.54 | gryfie_ | I've compiled the kernel, used make, make install modules and make install |
| 01:28.55 | gryfie_ | there are diffrent files now, now ending with 2.6.18 instead 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:29.51 | gryfie_ | but do i need also such a initrd.img-2.6. xywithout the -4-686 |
| 01:30.15 | gryfie_ | can't find it |
| 01:30.17 | geo-rge | 2.6.18-4-686, the -4 is the number of times (4) a debian maint uploaded the kernel |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | no .. it's the ABI level |
| 01:30.58 | gryfie_ | yes, but no initrd.... was created |
| 01:31.05 | gryfie_ | what do i tell grup t buut? |
| 01:31.09 | gryfie_ | boot |
| 01:31.17 | geo-rge | gryfie_: you think you might need an initrd? you might try going to the kernel src dir and doing make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 01:31.23 | geo-rge | and installing the resulting package |
| 01:31.27 | gryfie_ | uner the line of the vmlinux-2.6.18 |
| 01:31.52 | gryfie_ | I don't know, if i need or what iot exactly does |
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| 01:32.10 | geo-rge | it makes a .deb package of what you just compiled |
| 01:32.12 | gryfie_ | I just wanted to enable some features in the kerne |
| 01:32.23 | geo-rge | you install that, and it builds an initrd for you |
| 01:32.38 | gryfie_ | ok |
| 01:32.41 | gryfie_ | thx |
| 01:32.44 | geo-rge | it's nice being lazy :) |
| 01:33.00 | geo-rge | and still getting things done |
| 01:33.17 | gryfie_ | I will give santa claus a notice, that you was so helpfull :) |
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| 01:34.05 | geo-rge | one thing that you would have to make sure of, is that initrd, ramdisk and cramfs and/or yard is built into kernel (not as modules) |
| 01:34.25 | geo-rge | yeah, tell mentor too :P |
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| 01:35.27 | grub_problem | geo-rge, yeah, it is indeed |
| 01:35.27 | gryfie_ | who is mentor? :) |
| 01:35.43 | gryfie_ | (sorry, I'm german) |
| 01:35.50 | geo-rge | nm, it's a half joke and an in joke at that |
| 01:36.06 | geo-rge | it's ok, you need not bother with it |
| 01:36.07 | gryfie_ | ok ;) |
| 01:37.09 | geo-rge | grub_problem: so according to that error message, the partition where your kernel is to be booted from is not recognized by grub |
| 01:37.16 | geo-rge | which it would have to be |
| 01:37.34 | geo-rge | because grub does you the favor of finding files to boot by -name- |
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| 01:37.54 | geo-rge | and this requires grub to understand the filesystem |
| 01:38.27 | gryfie_ | I copied the config from boot before to /usr/src/kernel.... and used make menuconfig after that.... I guess, It used this config, when I began to made chances? |
| 01:38.41 | geo-rge | sounds right to me |
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| 01:39.00 | geo-rge | so it's the same version tho, 2.6.18? |
| 01:39.35 | gryfie_ | no, I changed things like preemtion of the kernel |
| 01:39.52 | gryfie_ | or droped unused filesystems |
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| 01:39.55 | geo-rge | ok but it's not a different -version-? |
| 01:40.30 | gryfie_ | no, only configured the 2.6.18-kernel |
| 01:40.46 | gryfie_ | with make menuconfig |
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| 01:40.53 | geo-rge | ok, then getting the config from /boot should be ok |
| 01:41.32 | geo-rge | did you remove yard or cramfs? |
| 01:42.16 | geo-rge | one of those is used for the initrd image |
| 01:42.33 | geo-rge | so... you need one of them... |
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| 01:45.26 | grub_problem | geo-rge, how come? i have been installing debian etch using sata disks and the / is using LVM without any problem until now on this new pc |
| 01:45.32 | cr3 | how the heck to debian/templates files work? |
| 01:45.58 | gryfie_ | aehm.... it build a packages with i386 at the end.... I've choosen the pentiumpro as cpu |
| 01:46.07 | gryfie_ | is this ok? |
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| 01:46.11 | geo-rge | grub_problem: error 17. which says there's a filesystem there it doesn't understand. what filesystem is on /? |
| 01:46.31 | geo-rge | grub_problem: do you have a /boot separate from /? |
| 01:46.39 | geo-rge | is that lvm too? |
| 01:46.44 | geo-rge | or not? |
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| 01:47.13 | gryfie_ | and, what should be the best match in makeconfig for a dual-core cpu? t2250 ? for a laptop? The pentium m? |
| 01:47.34 | geo-rge | which dual core you got? |
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| 01:48.21 | gryfie_ | it's called t2250, afaik one moment, I 'm looking in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 01:49.04 | gryfie_ | Intel Core Duo |
| 01:49.40 | kumaran | hi, I just installed latest debian (during installation I choosed guided separate partition for /home and another one for all others). Once installation done, I could not login due to 0 space in / drive. So now I moved /usr to /home/usr and ln -s /home/usr /usr. So I have now 1.2 GB space, in /. Then my Debian works well. My way is correct or will it hurt me later? |
| 01:50.04 | grub_problem | geo-rge, ext3 |
| 01:50.27 | grub_problem | geo-rge, yes, /boot is in /dev/sda1 while / is inside the lvm partition at /dev/sda3 |
| 01:50.27 | kumaran | if it is right, please tell me what are the other directories I can move so to the /home location. |
| 01:51.05 | kumaran | hi, I just installed latest debian (during installation I choosed guided separate partition for /home and another one for all others). Once installation done, I could not login due to 0 space in / drive. So now I moved /usr to /home/usr and ln -s /home/usr /usr. So I have now 1.2 GB space, in /. Then my Debian works well. My way is correct or will it hurt me later? |
| 01:51.07 | kumaran | if it is right, please tell me what are the other directories I can move so to the /home location. |
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| 01:51.30 | geo-rge | ok, what kind of fs is on /dev/sda1? |
| 01:51.36 | grub_problem | ext3 |
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| 01:51.45 | geo-rge | hmm... that should work |
| 01:51.55 | grub_problem | yes, afaik it should |
| 01:52.15 | geo-rge | you're sure of that? |
| 01:52.29 | grub_problem | because, i have 2 other computers that runs the same distro and the same partition without any problem |
| 01:53.03 | geo-rge | can you look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 01:53.13 | grub_problem | now, i'm trying to chroot to my hard disk from knoppix but i got this: |
| 01:53.16 | grub_problem | # chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash |
| 01:53.17 | grub_problem | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 01:53.21 | kumaran | anybody help |
| 01:53.59 | geo-rge | grub_problem: sounds like a big difference in arch to me |
| 01:54.01 | grub_problem | geo-rge, what exactly you want to know from my /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 01:54.23 | geo-rge | between your knoppix cd's kernel/libc/etc and that of your installation |
| 01:55.10 | grub_problem | geo-rge, yeah, they may be different because knoppix is i386 whereas my installation is amd64 |
| 01:55.35 | geo-rge | what would be the reasons my x cursor would be invisible except for the first time I would run it? |
| 01:55.43 | geo-rge | possible reasons that is |
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| 01:58.10 | geo-rge | grub_problem: oh, ok... could you try getting an amd64 knoppix cd? |
| 01:58.36 | cr3 | anyone ever built a debian package with with a debian/*.templates file? I can't understand how it's used to substitute values in a configuration file |
| 01:59.55 | cr3 | the documentation I've seen so far is shite at best :( |
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| 02:01.33 | dondelelcaro | cr3: substitution into what configuration file? |
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| 02:01.44 | grub_problem | geo-rge, oh, i need to download it first.. :( |
| 02:02.08 | grub_problem | geo-rge, wait, brb.. i have to reboot.. |
| 02:02.13 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: isn't the point of the template file under the debian directory of a package to persist some values somewhere such as a configuration file? |
| 02:03.03 | dondelelcaro | cr3: if the package is using debconf, then it's part of the debconf configuration |
| 02:03.13 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: lets say I have a key with a critical priority in a template file, so I get prompted for it. doesn't the given value need to be persisted somewhere? |
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| 02:04.00 | dondelelcaro | cr3: it's stored when you install the package in the debconf database |
| 02:04.12 | dondelelcaro | cr3: but it has nothing to do with building the package |
| 02:04.45 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: ah, so it's in the debconf database, gotcha. some packages may choose to persist that information in their own configuration file |
| 02:04.59 | dondelelcaro | cr3: yes, then they do so in the .config or whatever. |
| 02:05.13 | kumaran | anybody help??? |
| 02:05.42 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure I understand the difference between the .postinst and the .config |
| 02:05.51 | dondelelcaro | kumaran: generally it's not such a hot idea to symlink /usr to other directories, but it will work. |
| 02:06.30 | geo-rge | cr3: .config specifies compiletime options of a kernel compile... postinst is a script that configures a debian package |
| 02:06.36 | kumaran | dondelelcaro: thanks, if there is anyother way, please tell me |
| 02:06.48 | epsilon | kumaran: your first linux? |
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| 02:07.09 | kumaran | epsilor: NO, I am not beginner, I am using 3 years linux. |
| 02:07.17 | geo-rge | kumaran: thing is, there are a lot of different ways... some would say infinite... you just have to pick one |
| 02:07.20 | cr3 | geo-rge: in a debconf context :) |
| 02:07.23 | epsilon | then where's the problem... |
| 02:07.26 | geo-rge | not sure :) |
| 02:07.43 | kumaran | geo-rge: then please tell me an efficient way. |
| 02:07.49 | epsilon | check the size of dir's and reinstall with proper partition size (or install everything in one partition) |
| 02:08.00 | dondelelcaro | cr3: the former is run by dpkg, the latter by debconf. |
| 02:08.07 | geo-rge | cr3: actually probably not... not sure what .postinst is supposed to do wrt debconf, nor .config |
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| 02:08.29 | dondelelcaro | cr3: in most cases they will be fairly similar, but in some cases, vastly different |
| 02:08.43 | geo-rge | kumaran: but you just said you're experienced... what do you want to do? |
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| 02:09.11 | epsilon | kumaran: and your install should technically work with link, but it sucks |
| 02:09.44 | kumaran | all of you: I have 3 partitions for my Debian / (2.2GB), /home (5.0gb), /tmpfs (128MB) |
| 02:09.59 | epsilon | 2.2 is very small |
| 02:10.12 | kumaran | I do not use 5.GB for my programming work sat all. |
| 02:10.13 | geo-rge | not for / but for /usr |
| 02:10.25 | kumaran | and also I use lot of software, so 2.2 GB is definitly not enough. |
| 02:10.52 | kumaran | so no I either have to reinstall the Debian or try to use the installed debin by making necessry changes |
| 02:11.07 | geo-rge | why not? /home/you is where you -should- put your programming stuff |
| 02:11.10 | kumaran | at present I had not install any software, just fresh basic Debian packages are installed. |
| 02:11.12 | epsilon | for standard desktop with some extras you'll need 4GB minimum for / without /home |
| 02:11.30 | kumaran | yes |
| 02:11.31 | frank_ribery | kumaran, you planning to only install from apt? |
| 02:11.40 | kumaran | frank_ribery: yes |
| 02:11.59 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:12.17 | geo-rge | you have /usr, /var, /tmp, /home partitions for that |
| 02:12.34 | dondelelcaro | kumaran: if you haven't done much, I'd just suggest reinstalling. |
| 02:12.36 | epsilon | I won't do that on a desktop with 8GB drive |
| 02:12.42 | kumaran | geo-rge: no separate, Debian created only 3 partitions |
| 02:13.01 | kumaran | epsilon: 8GB is not enough? |
| 02:13.02 | dondelelcaro | kumaran: and if you aren't entirely sure of what you need to do, just create a single partition |
| 02:13.03 | geo-rge | the idea is: you should easily be able to back up, restore and repair / |
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| 02:13.21 | geo-rge | and having a too large / doesn't make that easy |
| 02:13.30 | kumaran | dondelelcaro: and then? |
| 02:13.43 | dondelelcaro | kumaran: then you'll use all 8G for everything |
| 02:14.02 | geo-rge | that's certainly one way |
| 02:14.03 | epsilon | kumaran: 8GB is enough (as said, you need 4GB for !/home) - but don't use own partition for eah directory |
| 02:14.07 | dondelelcaro | kumaran: if you know exactly how much you'll need for /usr, /, /var and /home,/boot, then you can do more complex things. |
| 02:14.23 | epsilon | kumaran: and if unsure, just use one big partition for all and one problem solved |
| 02:14.35 | geo-rge | and if you don't, you can use lvm and resizable partition types |
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| 02:14.41 | kumaran | yes people, I unfortunately I used separate partion |
| 02:14.54 | dondelelcaro | kumaran: right, which is why we suggest reinstalling since you haven't really done anything yet |
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| 02:15.05 | freeone3000 | I'm using the nvidia-glx package and am not getting direct rendering. Can anyone help? Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/m1c392098 |
| 02:15.11 | geo-rge | sure yuou can choose that |
| 02:15.39 | kumaran | dondelelcar: yes, thank you all people. I shall do re installation. |
| 02:15.50 | kumaran | Thank you all, bye. |
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| 02:16.29 | newzen | hi all, is posible to make a hd from debian live cd, i have a old machine that dont have floppy or cd, only i can take the disk and write direct to |
| 02:17.00 | geo-rge | but then, with all that lvm can do (incl. having vol groups on separate drives and such), hardware raid is almost a necessity |
| 02:17.00 | NetLSD | anyone come across a problem with an ATI X1650 not working with X? I'm getting a connection reset by peer saying no matching device but lspci shows the device that's the same as BusID is |
| 02:17.06 | freeone3000 | newzen: You generally do this by installing debian. |
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| 02:17.25 | geo-rge | is there a debian live cd? |
| 02:17.27 | freeone3000 | newzen: It'll be on the hard drive, you boot to that drive, and you're running debian. ANd it has all hte marvellou features of being installed. |
| 02:18.36 | newzen | freeone3000: yes but i need to chance something becouse change are not write to the disk |
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| 02:19.17 | newzen | geo-rge: yes and is on http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Flive.debian.net%2Fcdimage%2Fsid-builds%2Fcurrent%2Fi386%2F&ei=sUAIR4uzDqCiebf42K8F&usg=AFQjCNG_rSKdvao2olSRHESKY7C-htCkTA&sig2=yvmTsqy50xuo3ter5skb2A |
| 02:19.33 | freeone3000 | newzen: What? |
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| 02:19.49 | freeone3000 | newzen: Just install debian using the normal installation method and then swap the drives, if you're doing what I think you're doing. |
| 02:19.54 | geo-rge | he's saying that's a link to a debian live cd |
| 02:20.20 | freeone3000 | I understand that, but not "yes but i need to chance something becouse change are not write to the disk" |
| 02:20.36 | geo-rge | chance => change I guess |
| 02:20.53 | frank_ribery | wtf is going on here |
| 02:22.04 | geo-rge | what do you mean |
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| 02:22.31 | freeone3000 | newzen: Is it or isn't it writing changes to the disk, which do you want, and what are you using? |
| 02:22.37 | frank_ribery | anywayz... i like watching ribery play |
| 02:23.01 | YGingras | I have a remove mcrypted tarball that is to big to fetch and mcrypt is not on the server. I tried to compile it in my home but there is quite a few missing dependencies. Is there a way to tell apt-get to install all the binaries in my home? |
| 02:23.17 | YGingras | s/remove/remote/ |
| 02:23.20 | geo-rge | oh... well... I don't know what that means either :) |
| 02:23.29 | newzen | freeone3000: i need HD a instalation that not need floppy or CD i dont have |
| 02:23.50 | freeone3000 | newzen: Any other type of removal medium? |
| 02:23.57 | newzen | no |
| 02:24.07 | geo-rge | then, you can't install |
| 02:24.09 | freeone3000 | A friend's computer and the ability to remove and install hard drives? |
| 02:24.13 | newzen | is a libretto 100ct |
| 02:24.38 | newzen | yes i can take the hard drive |
| 02:24.44 | geo-rge | I have seen usb devices connect to those |
| 02:24.52 | freeone3000 | Kay. Borrow someone's comp with a CD drive, install it there, and move it bac.k |
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| 02:25.15 | newzen | yes, but there is no one and dont have the posibilitie to take one |
| 02:25.45 | geo-rge | does it have usb? |
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| 02:25.54 | gryfie | sorry, don't know, if I got the awnser at my last question: What cpu-type should I choose for kernel-compiling (etch 2.6.18) (using intel core duo) ? |
| 02:26.00 | geo-rge | you're not giving us much leeway :P |
| 02:26.11 | newzen | i have a wire to convert 2.5 drive to usb and use it on other computer |
| 02:26.16 | gryfie | is a pentium pro the better choise or a pentium obile? |
| 02:26.24 | geo-rge | 686? 386? |
| 02:27.02 | geo-rge | newzen: do you have other computer? |
| 02:27.20 | newzen | yes i have |
| 02:27.21 | gryfie | does'nt make that a diffrence for acpi or smp? |
| 02:27.31 | geo-rge | or, do you have external cd drive? |
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| 02:28.16 | newzen | not but i can convert the 2.5 hd from libretto into a usb drive |
| 02:28.45 | geo-rge | gryfie: probably it does... just so you know, I'm personally not so sure of all the details in this and even other areas... you should check reference documentation to be sure of these things |
| 02:28.57 | newzen | actually this method i used to install live cd image into the drive |
| 02:29.14 | geo-rge | ok |
| 02:29.39 | geo-rge | then -potentially- you could use the same method to install base onto that drive |
| 02:30.07 | newzen | i think so, what is base?? |
| 02:30.11 | geo-rge | handle all this hardware with extreme care, especially the cables |
| 02:30.32 | geo-rge | do you have networking available on the libretto? |
| 02:31.06 | newzen | i have a pcimci card but is not reconized in debian live cd |
| 02:31.28 | geo-rge | oh, the pcmcia card is your networking |
| 02:31.45 | newzen | but is not a problem , i will find a driver ans install this |
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| 02:32.27 | newzen | how can i get the base and how can install this?? |
| 02:32.28 | geo-rge | while it may not be a problem... it would be a very convenient thing to be able to use that net card to do the initial installation |
| 02:33.10 | geo-rge | one thing you have not answered: does the libretto have usb |
| 02:34.06 | newzen | not , no have usb |
| 02:34.22 | geo-rge | hmm, what if you... |
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| 02:34.40 | geo-rge | get a usb pcmcia card that does usb2... |
| 02:34.55 | geo-rge | get a usb2 hub and a usb net adapter... |
| 02:35.12 | geo-rge | no, really, this is gonna be good :) |
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| 02:35.41 | newzen | maybe i wiil install puppy or dsl for a pen, but i dont have a usb pcmcia card |
| 02:35.44 | geo-rge | then you can get any sort of usb media to install from without removing the drive inside |
| 02:35.54 | geo-rge | AANNDD |
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| 02:36.19 | geo-rge | you can later get a full-sized keyboard and (say) a logitech trackball mouse |
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| 02:37.10 | newzen | yes, but i dont have the posibilitie to buy one usb pcmcia card |
| 02:38.01 | geo-rge | someone got one you could borrow? that and a usb net adapter |
| 02:38.18 | newzen | so i need to install with i have, ( a hd that i can remove and a cable to convert this disk in usb hd and use in my other machine ) |
| 02:38.47 | geo-rge | ok, so then hook it to your other machine... is that running debian? |
| 02:39.01 | newzen | yes |
| 02:40.06 | geo-rge | so you can apt-get install debootstrap, partition the drive, mount the partitions, run debootstrap to install the debian onto the drive, try installing grub onto the drive, try booting |
| 02:40.29 | geo-rge | the one thing that's still unknown is whether the pcmcia net card is going to twork |
| 02:41.02 | newzen | the disk is now booting and have installed grub, i have a partition with the live cd running and booting |
| 02:41.21 | geo-rge | oh, another unknown thing, I don't know if you have data on the drive you want to save |
| 02:41.43 | newzen | i have another partition lvm prepared to mount debian permanent installation |
| 02:42.25 | geo-rge | do you have the lvs defined? |
| 02:42.45 | newzen | on the other machine i have |
| 02:43.00 | geo-rge | not understanding here. |
| 02:43.19 | geo-rge | you have a partition lvm on which drive? |
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| 02:43.45 | geo-rge | it would be nice to name the machines and maybe even the drives |
| 02:43.51 | newzen | on the drive on the libretto |
| 02:44.15 | Nyle | Keyser Soze |
| 02:44.27 | geo-rge | let's call that drive ldr |
| 02:44.33 | windyh | what would cause resolv.conf to be emptied when I reboot? |
| 02:44.53 | geo-rge | the whole dhcp client setup |
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| 02:45.10 | Nyle | you can just as well specify nameservers in ineterfaces |
| 02:45.13 | windyh | I'm using static ip |
| 02:45.14 | Nyle | i love my keybaord |
| 02:45.20 | windyh | ah, thank you |
| 02:45.24 | Nyle | !interfaces |
| 02:45.25 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 02:45.43 | freeone3000 | I'm using the nvidia-glx package and am not getting direct rendering. Can anyone help? Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/m1c392098 |
| 02:45.44 | windyh | I'll try that |
| 02:46.13 | geo-rge | howcome xorg with nv driver doesn't show the mouse cursor? |
| 02:47.24 | dto | uploading cool pics of my new debian installation. wanna see? |
| 02:47.41 | Nyle | geo-rge, it does |
| 02:47.47 | geo-rge | even tho the mouse is there and working (moving the mouse causes things to happen on the screen, you just don;t always know where the mouse is |
| 02:48.00 | displaced | what's the video card? |
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| 02:48.06 | geo-rge | Nyle: well I'm having a special problem then :) |
| 02:48.08 | Nyle | dto, ? |
| 02:48.08 | geo-rge | one sec |
| 02:48.18 | Nyle | it does seem like a special problem |
| 02:48.50 | displaced | i've got 3 nvidia's running in different debian boxes and none have this issue |
| 02:49.10 | geo-rge | I got a new asus mobo with nvidia video chipset |
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| 02:49.18 | dto | Nyle: i upgraded my multimedia box to debian and added some new hardware and reorganized and cleaned the studio |
| 02:49.18 | displaced | i've used both the open source drivers and the commercial drivers |
| 02:49.24 | displaced | never seen that one |
| 02:49.40 | geo-rge | maybe you can give me a hand with some parts of this |
| 02:49.43 | Nyle | dto, i am happy for you |
| 02:49.48 | displaced | so it's the onboard nvidia chip? |
| 02:49.59 | Nyle | i have the worst headache right now and i have no pills in the house |
| 02:50.08 | Nyle | pharmacy is too far away |
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| 02:51.21 | geo-rge | Nyle: does it seem to focus near top of eyes? if so... focus the energy so it unblocks and flows down your face |
| 02:51.40 | geo-rge | and all the way down to your feet and out |
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| 02:52.00 | dto | http://dto.freeshell.org/images/ <---- only the ones prefixed with "hpim" are the new pics |
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| 02:52.06 | dto | sorry, slow server |
| 02:52.10 | geo-rge | 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev |
| 02:52.15 | geo-rge | a2) |
| 02:52.25 | geo-rge | that's my vid |
| 02:52.39 | Nyle | ahh yeh |
| 02:52.43 | displaced | ok, i've got an nvidia 6200 running |
| 02:52.44 | Nyle | the cheap onboard shit |
| 02:52.56 | displaced | in one of my machines |
| 02:53.04 | Nyle | 6150 LE TurboCache |
| 02:53.06 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:53.28 | geo-rge | so what can I do? |
| 02:53.35 | displaced | have you tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 02:53.40 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 02:53.45 | Nyle | displaced, umm |
| 02:53.45 | geo-rge | picked the nv |
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| 02:54.02 | geo-rge | ran X after that... |
| 02:54.05 | Nyle | check mouse options |
| 02:54.06 | geo-rge | display came up |
| 02:54.16 | displaced | no cursor showing? |
| 02:54.21 | geo-rge | in xorg.conf? |
| 02:54.24 | Nyle | i think it has a option or something for a software renderd stuff |
| 02:54.34 | geo-rge | right, it's present but not showing |
| 02:54.46 | displaced | hmmm |
| 02:54.52 | geo-rge | oh good :) software rendered is better than nothing :) |
| 02:54.53 | Nyle | which debian? |
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| 02:56.08 | displaced | brb |
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| 02:56.33 | geo-rge | oh, sorry |
| 02:56.35 | geo-rge | etch |
| 02:56.39 | geo-rge | amd643 |
| 02:56.45 | geo-rge | -3 |
| 02:56.50 | geo-rge | +x2 |
| 02:56.56 | Nyle | hmm |
| 02:57.08 | Nyle | check the bts |
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| 02:57.15 | Nyle | maybe it is time to report a bug |
| 02:57.33 | Nyle | etch amd64 gave me lots of problems, but was far more stable in testing/sid |
| 02:57.41 | geo-rge | what's the software mouse cursor option? |
| 02:57.43 | Nyle | more updated and more mature than etch in amd64 dept |
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| 02:57.58 | Nyle | geo-rge, I don't know. It might just be nvidia specific and not for nv |
| 02:58.07 | Nyle | try using 'nvidia' proprietary drivers |
| 02:58.12 | Nyle | see if that fixes the problem |
| 02:58.26 | geo-rge | ugh, I tried that... the nvidia doesn't have the driver in the module |
| 02:58.34 | geo-rge | file not found maybe |
| 02:59.02 | freeone3000 | I'm using the nvidia-glx package and am not getting direct rendering. Can anyone help? Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/m1c392098 |
| 02:59.12 | geo-rge | nvidia.ko is there, but seems to be things missing inside or things missing that (inside is referering to outside) |
| 02:59.16 | freeone3000 | (I can't play UT2k4 and shoot people. Grr.) |
| 02:59.25 | dto | a bit earlier i tried to do the bcm43xx-fwcutter stuff. but the "download and strip firmware" step failed. this is debian etch. anyone else had that problem? |
| 02:59.39 | geo-rge | () used for grouping only, not parenthetical thought] |
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| 03:00.54 | windyh | putting the nameserver in interfaces didn't change the problem - the setting disappears shortly after reboot |
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| 03:10.13 | displaced | freeone3000 have you got mesa installed? |
| 03:10.25 | freeone3000 | displaced: Possibly. I'll check. |
| 03:10.50 | freeone3000 | Yes, I do. |
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| 03:10.56 | displaced | are you using the commercial drivers for nvidia? or the generic? |
| 03:11.04 | displaced | opensource |
| 03:11.21 | freeone3000 | The nvidia-glx package. |
| 03:12.08 | displaced | ok so you downloaded and installed the commercial drivers? |
| 03:12.19 | displaced | which version of debian are you using? |
| 03:12.30 | freeone3000 | I followed the instructions in the !nvidia_post_etch factoid on dpkg. |
| 03:12.40 | displaced | hmmm |
| 03:12.42 | freeone3000 | I am using unstable/experimental. |
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| 03:13.52 | windyh | how can I figure out why my nameserver setting disappears about 30 seconds after I log in after a reboot? |
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| 03:14.21 | displaced | hmmm |
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| 03:15.26 | displaced | freeone3000 i've got the commercial version patched to run under the gcc compiler that debian uses. this allows me to run two monitors on my system |
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| 03:15.51 | windyh | do nic drivers mess with the config files? |
| 03:16.19 | displaced | i just checked nvidia's site and they have a new version up, i'm runningx86-100.14.18 |
| 03:16.22 | freeone3000 | displaced: Mind sharing? Please? :) |
| 03:16.32 | freeone3000 | 100.14.19 here, from apt though. |
| 03:16.39 | freeone3000 | Just not getting direct rendering, everything else works fine. |
| 03:17.12 | displaced | hmmm, does that include running the install script |
| 03:17.15 | displaced | ? |
| 03:18.14 | stray | windyh: uh, maybe check the config for the dhcp client. |
| 03:18.42 | displaced | since i have to monitors on my setup i use the commercial drivers from their site. the compile fails because the gcc that the nvidia engineers use isn't opensource and debian hates it |
| 03:18.47 | displaced | two monitors |
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| 03:19.12 | displaced | so there is a patch to the compiler that allows debian to use it |
| 03:19.24 | asarch | What is the name of the package to use the Internet Clock? |
| 03:19.33 | asarch | To update the system automatically? |
| 03:19.51 | displaced | actually the patch is to the drivers so that the debian compiler will accept it |
| 03:20.04 | displaced | the package is named ntp |
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| 03:20.12 | asarch | Thanks displaced |
| 03:20.17 | displaced | not a roblem |
| 03:20.23 | displaced | problem |
| 03:20.31 | geo-rge | moblem |
| 03:20.33 | displaced | jeez must be getting late, i can't type |
| 03:20.44 | geo-rge | dr dobblem |
| 03:21.24 | asarch | lol :-D |
| 03:21.26 | geo-rge | ok, let's try this x thing now... |
| 03:21.42 | displaced | ok some one here has to be able to solvbe my issue. there's a command that turns the pcmcia port on in debian, i can't remember it and my system that it was using it, crashed the drive |
| 03:21.55 | geo-rge | rot a pnoblem! |
| 03:23.06 | displaced | got a newer twinhead laptop and it has an onboard wireless card doing 802.11b and a pcmcia card doing g, can't get the system to see either one of them |
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| 03:23.34 | displaced | although it does see the firewire port as eth0 |
| 03:24.08 | displaced | ok, who wants this driver so we can get all of these working? |
| 03:25.15 | rjm | if I have an terminal app that stops, as in my ftp client stalls because debian's connection is resetting every hour or so for god knows what reason |
| 03:25.24 | rjm | how can I get out of that app to try again |
| 03:25.34 | displaced | the video card driver, i've got the chat room working on my right monitor and nvidia"s site on my left |
| 03:25.37 | rjm | right now it's just sitting there |
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| 03:26.15 | windyh | rjm: ctrl-c |
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| 03:26.30 | displaced | open a terminal window, type ps aux|grep the name of the app then not the pid for it and kill -9 pid |
| 03:26.48 | rjm | what's aux |
| 03:27.02 | rjm | in that context |
| 03:27.04 | displaced | note the pid of the app and kill -9 pid |
| 03:27.29 | displaced | man ps |
| 03:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the best way to use a bluetooth headset when running debian? |
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| 03:31.48 | Rusty1 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser but you googled before you asked, right? |
| 03:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rusty1, I even got one solution running, before I asked... but I hate it... |
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| 03:36.10 | displaced | there is a simple command to turn on and off the pcmcia port, does anyone know it? |
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| 03:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rusty1, but bluetooth sadly is only half of it... one needs support for sco-bluetooth (he said SCO! yehova, yehova), too.... |
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| 03:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's some scary stuff about bluez crashing unpatched kernels... and so on |
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| 03:40.32 | freeone3000 | I'm using the nvidia-glx package and am not getting direct rendering. Can anyone help? Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/m1c392098 |
| 03:40.51 | Rusty1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i use bt to xfer pics from my cell, no experience with headset - http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/ anything there ? |
| 03:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | HOWTO use a bluetooth headset sounds promising as a title :) |
| 03:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, thanks, I'll have a look... just thought maybe someone else suffered the same problems... |
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| 03:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | right now, I got it running with snd-bt-sco, which kind of works... but fails to do so after some time; can only be fixed by a reboot |
| 03:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so right now I'm probably rebooting more often, than the average windows user :-/ |
| 03:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if that is possible) |
| 03:44.17 | Rusty1 | with apologies to all, i've had better luck with bt using either ubuntu ot sabayon |
| 03:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
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| 03:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know, if the debian kernel contains that "sco-flowcontrol" patch - or where I can get that information? |
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| 03:49.12 | rafuch0 | buenasss |
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| 03:49.30 | rafuch0 | quien tiene experiencia instlando webcams |
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| 03:49.34 | rafuch0 | la mia no quiere nadaaa |
| 03:49.48 | xlotlu | is there any way to log into an already running x session, withous using vnc?.. like a screen for X? |
| 03:50.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | xlotlu, there is something like an X proxy... |
| 03:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it has to be started with/before the x session |
| 03:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, was that spanish? |
| 03:53.00 | xlotlu | CutMeOwnThroat: know its name? |
| 03:54.00 | rafuch0 | i am trying o setmy webcam |
| 03:54.16 | rafuch0 | but npo results |
| 03:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | xlotlu, no, cant remember it - when I do apt-cache search ' X ' proxy, xdmx is the only useful result |
| 03:56.06 | xlotlu | CutMeOwnThroat: i found xmove. seems to be the answer |
| 03:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !webcam |
| 03:56.08 | dpkg | i guess webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 03:56.28 | rafuch0 | thanks |
| 03:56.38 | rafuch0 | amgoig to check |
| 03:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | xlotlu, ha :) yes, I guess that is the other one |
| 03:57.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | xlotlu, I think there were two, maybe three of them... but I never really tried them out |
| 03:58.05 | xlotlu | xdmx seems pretty nice too |
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| 04:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmove packageinfo reads, as if it could give you a program after you remember you want to access something from remote (without preparing for it) |
| 04:02.10 | displaced | i've got my webcam working but i can't record video from it |
| 04:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg already answered his question :-P |
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| 04:02.59 | dembug | #illuminati unable to join channel (invite only) |
| 04:03.00 | dembug | shucks |
| 04:03.01 | dembug | ;p |
| 04:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they surely left a message in the topic with a hint how to find out the secret password with which you can join *g* |
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| 04:06.48 | geo-rge | how to specify name server in interfaces file? would this differ in sid versus etch? |
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| 04:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | xlotlu, seems I had tried the xmove one (it's still installed on a machine cloned from the one I used back then) |
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| 04:09.18 | geo-rge | also, how would I get the debian menu onto the kde menu? seems it's missing |
| 04:10.29 | xlotlu | geo-rge: menu-xdg |
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| 04:10.45 | geo-rge | thanks |
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| 04:11.11 | geo-rge | umm one thing... what is that thing? do I run it? |
| 04:11.24 | xlotlu | apt-get install menu-xdg |
| 04:11.36 | geo-rge | bb |
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| 04:12.21 | george__ | already installed |
| 04:12.32 | george__ | brb |
| 04:12.33 | ameyer | jeez, emacs has an irc client? |
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| 04:12.47 | tonsofpcs | emacs has * where * isin LISP |
| 04:12.48 | ameyer | sounds like a reasonably advanced operating system |
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| 04:13.08 | tonsofpcs | it is, ameyer, so advanced that even nerds don't like using its interface |
| 04:13.16 | ameyer | web browser, email client, irc client |
| 04:13.27 | ameyer | but does it play music? |
| 04:13.40 | dondelelcaro | it can |
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| 04:14.59 | dondelelcaro | (not like playing music is difficult; you can just run mpd and control it with mpc from within emacs) |
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| 04:17.00 | Firefishe | emacs has evolved into its own OS??? |
| 04:17.51 | infinity | i have some misc filesystems that aren't needed for my system to operate and I don't want the system to fail booting if they don't mount properly. how can i acheive this? |
| 04:18.52 | geo-rge | Firefishe: so you've missed out on all the years since 1986? :) |
| 04:19.06 | displaced | does anyone know how to turn the pcmcia port on? |
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| 04:26.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | What's the site for searching for PCI-IDs? |
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| 04:27.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | !lspci |
| 04:27.30 | dpkg | i guess lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids |
| 04:27.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | !pciids |
| 04:27.36 | dpkg | [pciids] run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 04:27.38 | freeone3000 | dpkg xserver-xorg, module assistant, and nvidia-glx failed me. Nvidia binary site drivers didn't. |
| 04:27.43 | freeone3000 | Go debian. |
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| 04:28.10 | displaced | lol |
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| 04:28.46 | geo-rge | Firefishe: lisp is a force to be reckoned with... if you're interested in a very deep treatment of how, google for sicp |
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| 04:30.07 | chuck | hi, i'm trying to get exim working but failing at that |
| 04:30.19 | chuck | whenever i try to send myself test emails, i don't recieve them |
| 04:30.34 | chuck | here's an example message i get in the log when i try to send it: |
| 04:30.36 | geo-rge | Firefishe: there are also lisp shells and lisp window managers (scsh, scwm, sawfish) |
| 04:30.53 | geo-rge | Firefishe: and then there's gimp |
| 04:30.55 | chuck | 2007-10-06 23:33:17 1IeNpB-0002eG-NK == charlie@unixpod.com R=dnslookup_relay_to |
| 04:30.56 | chuck | _domains T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 04:30.58 | Firefishe | geo-rge: sorry for the delay... |
| 04:31.04 | Firefishe | gimp is lisp? |
| 04:31.12 | chuck | anyone know the problem here? |
| 04:31.12 | geo-rge | no, scheme |
| 04:31.12 | ameyer | python I think |
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| 04:31.56 | geo-rge | you might as well say it is lisp, because scheme is a coupla small differences from lisp |
| 04:32.17 | Firefishe | geo-rge: I'm going back to school for computer programming soon. Perhaps I'll mess with it. |
| 04:32.28 | chuck | anyone an exim master here? |
| 04:32.36 | geo-rge | then you'll likely want/need to take SICP |
| 04:32.37 | Firefishe | can Eclipse or KDevelop ide's work with lisp development? |
| 04:32.47 | geo-rge | as one of your very first steps |
| 04:32.51 | Firefishe | sicp...what is that? |
| 04:32.58 | geo-rge | go see :) |
| 04:33.01 | geo-rge | goggle! |
| 04:33.12 | geo-rge | like Mystery on Conan! |
| 04:34.28 | geo-rge | Firefishe: maybe... but really, all you need for lisp is a text editor |
| 04:34.44 | chuck | seriously, anyone here good with exim4? |
| 04:35.09 | geo-rge | if you don't find out here, there might be #exim |
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| 04:38.13 | Firefishe | text editor? isn't that sacred to a, *gulp!*, coder? if I used a text editor, I might offend some gnu-ru somewwhere ;) *duck* |
| 04:38.58 | tonsofpcs | vi |
| 04:39.29 | geo-rge | if you used a text editor to explore and alter the config files in your /etc, at least you wouldn't use some gooey way of doing it :) |
| 04:40.13 | Firefishe | oh, I've done that. Not recently, but I've done it before. Why, I've even altered /etc/apt/sources.list a time or too. Guess I must be a geek ;) hee |
| 04:41.16 | geo-rge | well... sicp is, to some, the best intro to cs on the planet... and, to all mit students taking any engineering courses, sicp is the first course in that program they all must take |
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| 04:42.32 | geo-rge | online is the complete course text and lecture videos |
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| 04:43.01 | geo-rge | so, you -could- start now/soon :) |
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| 04:43.51 | Firefishe | hmmm... |
| 04:44.12 | Firefishe | geo-rge: you may have something here, where may I find the course work? |
| 04:44.30 | frank_ribery | gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggunit |
| 04:44.39 | Penix | frank_ribery: please shut the hell up |
| 04:44.47 | geo-rge | google for sicp text, for sicp video lectures |
| 04:45.17 | geo-rge | when you see the wizard, you will have arrived in his world :) |
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| 04:46.45 | geo-rge | plus at aduni.org, there are the materials of a full postbacc course in cs |
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| 04:48.55 | geo-rge | so I looked at man 5 interfaces (carefully too), and didn't find a directly stated way to configure name servers... how would I do this? |
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| 04:52.57 | chuck | geo-rge: /etc/resolv.conf iirc |
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| 04:53.23 | chuck | just place like |
| 04:53.33 | chuck | nameserver 123.456.789.000 |
| 04:53.34 | geo-rge | well yes, that's the direct file... but things like dhcp clients make that file a link into their files |
| 04:54.00 | geo-rge | well let's see if it's a real file... |
| 04:54.07 | chuck | in /etc/network/interfaces, isn't it "dns-nameservers blah"? |
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| 04:56.08 | geo-rge | chuck: it might be, altho I didn't see that in the documentation |
| 04:56.30 | Firefishe | geo-rge: methinks I've found the wizard and the lecture series d/l site ;) |
| 04:56.53 | geo-rge | ok... good... so now, what's your math background like? |
| 04:56.57 | frank_ribery | what |
| 04:57.00 | frank_ribery | who cares |
| 04:57.33 | geo-rge | frank_ribery: read the sicp text a little bit, and you'll then see why I'm asking |
| 04:57.50 | frank_ribery | !sicp |
| 04:57.51 | dpkg | i guess sicp is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, at http://sicp.arsdigita.org/ |
| 04:58.17 | geo-rge | hmm... does that exist? |
| 04:58.51 | geo-rge | nope |
| 04:58.59 | geo-rge | that factoid needs to be repointed |
| 04:59.20 | geo-rge | frank_ribery: sorry about that... nothing I can do except suggest you search |
| 04:59.52 | frank_ribery | ok |
| 05:00.01 | geo-rge | it's not hard to find |
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| 05:00.27 | Firefishe | geo-rge: math skills are a bit short. |
| 05:00.29 | geo-rge | but then, maybe you're interested in what you find, maybe not... |
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| 05:01.26 | Firefishe | geo-rge: brain decided it liked the literary side of things at birth... I'v been wanting to learn math effectively for years, though. Any ideas? |
| 05:02.10 | geo-rge | so you're interested in meaning |
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| 05:02.30 | geo-rge | so was I and I didn't get very far in that part :) |
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| 05:04.10 | Tramp | geo-rge: If I understand it correctly you would write a script under /etc/network/... to modify your resolv.conf |
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| 05:05.36 | geo-rge | Firefishe: take a look at the first video |
| 05:06.09 | geo-rge | see if you like it |
| 05:06.37 | Firefishe | okay, geo-rge, will do. |
| 05:06.47 | Firefishe | I'll download it now |
| 05:07.30 | geo-rge | one thing it does is show you basics of lisp (well, scheme, a dialect) |
| 05:08.17 | geo-rge | and whether you have math background or not, you'll be able to pick up ideas from the whole series |
| 05:08.47 | frank_ribery | i don't like ppl watching me |
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| 05:09.13 | Firefishe | then again, geo-rge, downloading it I am not. I don't currently have a T3 or direct fibre-channel connection ;) |
| 05:09.18 | Firefishe | man, those files are huge |
| 05:09.38 | Firefishe | any way of buying the series on dvd or cd? |
| 05:10.47 | geo-rge | Firefishe: aduni.org has that full year-long post-bacc program... they ran that program once and recorded it, put them onto DVDs |
| 05:11.01 | geo-rge | Firefishe: you might be able to stream them |
| 05:11.21 | Firefishe | k..thanks :) |
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| 05:12.04 | geo-rge | the aduni stuff has, among its other courses, a different series of SICP |
| 05:12.37 | Firefishe | brb... |
| 05:13.31 | geo-rge | before you're through with either series, you'll be understanding an awful lot about how lisp is interpreted |
| 05:14.32 | mohamedzidan | allah |
| 05:14.49 | geo-rge | allah, how wa doin? |
| 05:15.13 | mohamedzidan | why only you talk? |
| 05:15.15 | mohamedzidan | who are you |
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| 05:15.43 | geo-rge | main() { printf("%s\n", "allah world"); } |
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| 05:16.16 | mohamedzidan | main() { allah("%s\n", "printf world"); } |
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| 05:16.41 | geo-rge | for systems where allah is in libc :) |
| 05:16.56 | mohamedzidan | ppl just haven't seen even a sprinkle of my thinking into action yet |
| 05:17.12 | mohamedzidan | but the thing is ppl pick up and they materialize them before i could do anything |
| 05:17.27 | mohamedzidan | and i admit some ppl got very good ideas and i was unconsciously influenced by them |
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| 05:18.04 | geo-rge | I would have thought you wouldn't have an unconscious part :P |
| 05:18.14 | mohamedzidan | actually i'm very stupid |
| 05:18.24 | mohamedzidan | so i have a very deep unconscious part |
| 05:18.54 | geo-rge | you might want to try building connections to it |
| 05:19.04 | mohamedzidan | who are you |
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| 05:19.18 | mohamedzidan | never mind |
| 05:19.21 | mohamedzidan | don't worry |
| 05:19.29 | mohamedzidan | allah~ |
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| 05:21.53 | mohamedzidan | TwistedGenius, you are a genius/ |
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| 05:22.33 | geo-rge | yes we are a maze of twisty little geniuses, all different |
| 05:22.46 | mohamedzidan | ok |
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| 05:23.47 | moisteh | Hey guys, I'm running Debian Etch here, and was wondering how to get a nonfree-flash? (Instead of being tied to Adobe's non-uninstallable installer) |
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| 05:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, figured your interfaces stuff by now? |
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| 05:28.39 | mohamedzidan | allah akbar |
| 05:28.46 | mohamedzidan | allahu akbar |
| 05:29.17 | Yarou | . |
| 05:31.12 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: no BUT the resolv.conf file was already set up |
| 05:31.13 | mohamedzidan | ok... i'm not gonna speak much any more, but i just want to say i always wanted to be myself, and i want to be myself |
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| 05:32.24 | geo-rge | mohamedzidan: what are some things that prevent you from being yourself |
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| 05:35.01 | mohamedzidan | geo-rge, i want to live in a condition where i can monitor anyone and not be seen |
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| 05:35.26 | mohamedzidan | but the reality is such that people monitor me and they are not seen |
| 05:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, ok, then I'll look it up in my config... had to leave when you asked the question 1st |
| 05:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, there are actually several (many?) packages that can/shall/want (to) help with interfaces |
| 05:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | guessnet for example |
| 05:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | with the one I use, I can add a line like "dns-nameservers 129.134.34.34" to the interfaces file, these nameservers will be added to resolv.conf |
| 05:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | the dhcp server normally transmits a nameserver, though and this is the one you should see in resolv.conf |
| 05:36.58 | geo-rge | mohamedzidan: how is that something that prevents you from being yourself? |
| 05:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mohamedzidan, hands off those cookies! |
| 05:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;-P |
| 05:37.27 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, that's exactly where the setup for resolv.conf came from |
| 05:37.38 | geo-rge | but I switched to static |
| 05:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you are static and dont have a dhcp client, your reslov.conf is "static" also.. i.e. not changed by anything |
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| 05:38.45 | geo-rge | that's good enough then |
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| 05:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want to use dhcp and want to have a custom list of dns servers, try "man guessnet" |
| 05:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or add a custom list of dns servers additionally to the dhcp one) |
| 05:39.10 | geo-rge | well I run that dhcp server anyway |
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| 05:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | server? |
| 05:39.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | the server should run at the router |
| 05:39.45 | geo-rge | typically :) |
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| 05:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I dont see what the server has to do with anything :) |
| 05:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is normally just running in that little hardware-thingy that acts as modem-router |
| 05:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | wlan |
| 05:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever |
| 05:41.26 | geo-rge | that when I used to run the machine in question's networking from dhcp, the resolv.conf file came from the server (my server) which I configured |
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| 05:42.14 | geo-rge | and that the server sends the gateway addr and dns addr to all clients that connect to my internal net |
| 05:42.34 | geo-rge | it's a pretty typical setup |
| 05:44.02 | geo-rge | nothing particularly special about it |
| 05:44.13 | geo-rge | but I'll be right back |
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| 05:45.22 | sarixe | how do i get more screensavers? the selection here seems a bit limited compared to other distros |
| 05:45.56 | stiv2k | *WTF* why won't this process die even when i kill -9 it |
| 05:46.01 | sarixe | O.o |
| 05:46.33 | iamfreenow | stiv2k, what is kill -9? |
| 05:46.42 | stiv2k | kill |
| 05:46.47 | stiv2k | not kill -9 |
| 05:46.53 | iamfreenow | what is -9? |
| 05:47.02 | stiv2k | a typo :P |
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| 05:47.28 | stiv2k | steve 12045 0.9 3.8 494816 74848 ? D Oct06 14:07 python exaile.py |
| 05:47.34 | stiv2k | i cant kill that no matter waht |
| 05:47.49 | ryty | killall -9 python |
| 05:47.52 | _CutMe_ | CutMeOwnThroat, |
| 05:48.06 | stiv2k | ryty: its still there |
| 05:48.18 | ryty | stiv2k: killall -9 bash, and then log back in |
| 05:48.26 | _CutMe_ | ah :) |
| 05:48.28 | stiv2k | ryty: i restarted X if that helps |
| 05:48.44 | iamfreenow | i believe that Jesus has saved my soul and that my spirit is therefore free |
| 05:49.08 | stiv2k | ryty: and its still there :/ |
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| 05:49.15 | sarixe | i'd say you owe him your soul... therefore you're not free |
| 05:49.23 | iamfreenow | stiv2k, what is -9? |
| 05:49.26 | Guerin | iamfreenow: do you think you could free us from yourself? |
| 05:49.32 | stiv2k | iamfreenow: i do not know |
| 05:49.44 | sarixe | iamfreenow : it's a typo, didn't he say that? |
| 05:50.07 | chowmeined | anyone have any luck getting selinux to work? |
| 05:50.15 | Guerin | ryty: don't tell people to use -9, kthx |
| 05:50.31 | iamfreenow | A->B; ( A -> i am free ), A could be anything like my belief in Jesus |
| 05:50.34 | stiv2k | how do i kill this damn process |
| 05:50.51 | stiv2k | so i can run exaile again |
| 05:50.51 | sarixe | does anyone know about how to get more screensavers? |
| 05:51.05 | dondelelcaro | sarixe: depends on which screensaver you're using |
| 05:51.14 | sarixe | gnome |
| 05:51.23 | Guerin | gnome is not a screensaver |
| 05:51.27 | sarixe | i know... |
| 05:51.31 | sarixe | gnome-screensaver |
| 05:51.34 | Guerin | it's a garden ornament! |
| 05:51.38 | sarixe | lol |
| 05:51.46 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: that process is in uninteruptible sleep, probably IO. You can't kill it until it comes back. |
| 05:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cach search screen saver"? |
| 05:51.57 | ryty | okay, stiv2k try "killall -11 python" |
| 05:51.59 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: well its been like that for a while |
| 05:52.00 | chowmeined | nobody? |
| 05:52.12 | stiv2k | ryty: still there |
| 05:52.14 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: yes, so you have to wait for it to come out, or just ignore it |
| 05:52.18 | Guerin | ryty: and don't tell people to use -11 either |
| 05:52.25 | ryty | Guerin: why not? |
| 05:52.28 | iamfreenow | a_0 prohibited by a_1 but a_0 is freed by a_2, so b_0 in B says i'm free |
| 05:52.31 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: i was implying that it's obviously locked up or something :/ |
| 05:52.42 | Guerin | ryty: because of the Law of Unintended Consequences |
| 05:52.47 | iamfreenow | A could be anything that justifies the end |
| 05:52.52 | sarixe | CutMeOwnThroat : thanks |
| 05:52.55 | ryty | Guerin: if he wants to kill it, I say let him |
| 05:52.58 | Guerin | iamfreenow: please fuck off and die now |
| 05:53.08 | Guerin | ryty: yes. But there are good and bad ways. |
| 05:53.08 | ryty | if worst comes to worst, the box will die, and come back |
| 05:53.12 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: that's not necessary, no matter what he's doing |
| 05:53.19 | Guerin | why not just tell him to reboot |
| 05:53.20 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:53.21 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: clearly; the point is that you can't kill it |
| 05:53.29 | stiv2k | grr |
| 05:53.34 | stiv2k | i just wanna listen to some music :( |
| 05:53.44 | dondelelcaro | so listen to music |
| 05:53.45 | sarixe | iamfreenow is a process you can't seem to kill |
| 05:53.49 | ryty | Guerin: because that's causing what he's trying to avoid, obviously. There is a much higher percentage that kill will do the job without rebooting |
| 05:53.58 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: but my music player cant be killed nor is it responding |
| 05:54.05 | dondelelcaro | ryty: not if its in uninteruptible IO sleep, which it is |
| 05:54.13 | dondelelcaro | ryty: if -9 doesn't work, nothing will. |
| 05:54.18 | Guerin | ryty: no |
| 05:54.22 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: then you get to reboot |
| 05:54.27 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: fsck |
| 05:54.28 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: or hope that it times out |
| 05:55.02 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: you can also try modprobe -r on the module for your soundcard... but that may not help |
| 05:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you could switch the radio on |
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| 05:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and relax a bit with a beer |
| 05:56.03 | ryty | Guerin: my point being, he can do whatever the hell he wants to his machine. I was making suggestions. He is by no means pressured to carry any of them out if he does not want. He had a problem, I informed him of some things that haved worked in the past for myself. |
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| 05:56.49 | Guerin | ryty: you're suggesting stupid things to someone who evidently knows no better. Sure, he can do what he likes, but that doesn't mean you should load the gun for him. |
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| 05:57.15 | ryty | in a worst case scenario, it's doing what you're telling him to do anyways... |
| 05:57.33 | yang | I wonder where can i edit the checkfs disk checker boot up script? to set up the number of mounts. |
| 05:57.34 | Guerin | without the opportunity to save state ... or ... anything |
| 05:57.39 | dondelelcaro | yang: tune2fs |
| 05:57.46 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever else) |
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| 05:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems unlikely to me though, that killing a mp3player will reboot the machine |
| 05:58.25 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: he was advocating -9 bash and python |
| 05:58.31 | dondelelcaro | no, it's just that sending things SEGV is kind of wrong |
| 05:58.37 | Guerin | this is unwise to say the least |
| 05:58.44 | Guerin | anyway |
| 05:58.50 | troubled | dondelelcaro: seems to work fine for me and simon so far btw. let me know, l8r |
| 05:58.53 | Guerin | nothing like as big of a deal as all this talk makes it seem |
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| 05:59.13 | Guerin | consider yourself scolded, etc. |
| 05:59.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I dont think it could reboot the machine... but perhaps kill the irc client... -> "problem solved" *g* |
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| 06:02.07 | yang | dondelelcaro: is there also a way to read the "tune2fs" config file ? |
| 06:04.46 | chowmeined | so can someone confirm that selinux is broken? just so i know, and I can start looking elsewhere |
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| 06:07.37 | rue_newshop | what was the name of debian version 3.0 |
| 06:07.48 | yang | rue_newshop: sarge |
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| 06:07.52 | rue_newshop | ok |
| 06:08.05 | rue_newshop | its asking me for a "drivers" disk (!???!?!) :) |
| 06:08.14 | Guerin | chowmeined: BTS. In what way is it supposedly broken? |
| 06:08.22 | yang | rue_newshop: are you trying to install that? |
| 06:08.23 | Guerin | rue_newshop: floppy? |
| 06:08.27 | rue_newshop | yes |
| 06:08.36 | rue_newshop | cant use a newer version I only have 16M of ram |
| 06:08.37 | Guerin | rue_newshop: you need the drivers disk if you want drivers. Which you do. |
| 06:08.45 | yang | rue_newshop: its drivers from floppy for ide devices etc. you can skip it |
| 06:08.46 | rue_newshop | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 06:08.47 | rue_newshop | I'm on it |
| 06:08.56 | Guerin | rue_newshop: read the install guide. |
| 06:09.14 | yang | rue_newshop: but maybe you want to try debian 4.0 etch |
| 06:09.15 | chowmeined | Guerin: after installing it, relabeling, following all the instructions on the wiki, running check-selinux-installation (which says everything is good)... then when I reboot in enforcing mode.. init gets denied and it hangs |
| 06:09.38 | Guerin | chowmeined: BTS is your friend. |
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| 06:11.55 | chowmeined | Guerin: no bugs |
| 06:12.25 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.41 | Guerin | and may be able to tell you what is wrong |
| 06:13.01 | chowmeined | well i just wanted to know if anybody has ever used it and if so, does it work |
| 06:13.46 | rue_newshop | itsw not accepting the sarge drivers disk... |
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| 06:13.51 | chowmeined | the strict policy, using LVM |
| 06:14.27 | rue_newshop | and I dont know how many times I can rewrite my _LAST_ good floppy before it bellies up on me |
| 06:14.31 | Guerin | if it didn't, people would file it on the BTS. Therefore in the typical case it should be presumed functional. |
| 06:14.57 | chowmeined | or nobody uses it |
| 06:15.04 | Guerin | or that |
| 06:15.59 | chowmeined | for example, that happened with ipsec-tools on sparc, racoon crashes immediately.. there actually was a report in BTS, but it was over 2 years old.. |
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| 06:16.18 | chowmeined | so i guess, the maintainer doesn't watch it or something |
| 06:16.38 | Guerin | ... or you have it set up wrong |
| 06:16.52 | Guerin | or something else. In any case, you can find out by FILING A FUCKING BUG |
| 06:17.00 | Guerin | can i make this any clearer? |
| 06:17.16 | Guerin | use the BTS. This sort of thing is its whole purpose. |
| 06:17.23 | chowmeined | oh i already understand that, im just aimlessly continuing the conversation |
| 06:18.00 | Guerin | !aww |
| 06:18.00 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 06:18.10 | gener1c | lol |
| 06:18.14 | gener1c | !aww |
| 06:18.14 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 06:18.17 | gener1c | haha |
| 06:18.24 | FirefAWAY | dpkg is capable of snuggles??? |
| 06:18.34 | gener1c | !snuggle |
| 06:18.44 | gener1c | !kick me! |
| 06:18.46 | Guerin | teh dpkg is capable of anything we teach |
| 06:19.57 | rue_newshop | freaking hell is it not posable to isntall linux with 16M of ram?! |
| 06:20.08 | Guerin | rue_newshop: of course it is. Read the install guide. |
| 06:20.36 | gener1c | DSL! |
| 06:20.47 | gener1c | !slack |
| 06:20.47 | dpkg | methinks slack is the man. damn cool |
| 06:20.49 | rue_newshop | you know lomem only goes to 32M right? |
| 06:20.53 | yang | rue_newshop: check distrowatch.com for small linux distributions |
| 06:21.16 | Guerin | woody did 12mb, iirc |
| 06:21.21 | Guerin | !ig |
| 06:21.21 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 06:21.24 | rue_newshop | this will run regular debian, but hte INSTALLER wants 32m!?!?! |
| 06:21.26 | rue_newshop | whats with that!? |
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| 06:21.40 | gener1c | lenny is fun! |
| 06:21.46 | Guerin | it's not designed that way just to piss you off |
| 06:21.52 | Guerin | the installer is pretty complicated |
| 06:21.59 | troubled | rue_newshop: guess its a custom bootstrapped, minimal custom kernel install for you :) |
| 06:22.15 | gener1c | bootstrap bill |
| 06:22.17 | yang | rue_newshop: you dont want to run sarge on 16 megs |
| 06:22.50 | rue_newshop | the boot and root I have from 3.? will do it with no complaints but want some drivers diks that are not whte ones undre sarge |
| 06:23.12 | troubled | its not the size of your ram, its how you build your kernel that counts ;) |
| 06:23.45 | gener1c | !gen |
| 06:23.47 | rue_newshop | I dont think you understand I just had an installer tell me it needed 32M of ram min after it just came off a floopy |
| 06:24.21 | rue_newshop | that was from etch |
| 06:24.29 | gener1c | etchie! |
| 06:24.53 | troubled | rue_newshop: well, technically linux only needs 1mb or so to boot, its the scripts and services and stuff that run afterwords that need the ram. perl scripts can take ~10mb+ just loading perl itself, forget about storing anything in ram |
| 06:25.00 | troubled | !status |
| 06:25.00 | dpkg | Since Sat Oct 6 11:05:20 2007, there have been 5 modifications, 195 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 50 commands. I have been awake for 19h 19m 40s this session, and currently reference 37655 factoids. I'm using about 15576 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 52.81/2.95 child 0.68/0.05 |
| 06:25.24 | gener1c | !moron |
| 06:25.25 | dpkg | i heard moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
| 06:25.30 | troubled | rue_newshop: take dpkg, that sucker pulling 15mb for just the scripts! thats not even the ram used by sql |
| 06:26.03 | rue_newshop | it just seems to me that anything that came from a total of 2 floppies cannot consume more than 6M |
| 06:26.05 | yang | rue_newshop: sorry 3.1 = sarge 3.0 was woody (my bad) |
| 06:26.11 | gener1c | dpkg what do you think of the weather. me thinks its a great day for a walk |
| 06:26.32 | troubled | rue_newshop: all dem purty graphical menus take the ram. so if you can bootstrap your own install, you can put linux onto anything you want really. but you will find most distros have min ram limits for technical reasons |
| 06:26.56 | rue_newshop | I'm not asking for any graphics an ncurses installer is all I want |
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| 06:27.36 | gener1c | dpkg i need a hug |
| 06:27.36 | dpkg | Here! ****HHUUUUUGGGG***** |
| 06:27.42 | gener1c | omfg! |
| 06:27.43 | rue_newshop | I have a special system that is going to control a boiler, its not gonna have X |
| 06:28.17 | Guerin | rue_newshop: the sarge installer *is* ncurses. |
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| 06:29.42 | gener1c | !fart |
| 06:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | rue_newshop, try zipping /dev/zero :) |
| 06:30.07 | yang | archive.debian.org still has all available packages for the older debian releases, you can apt-get upgrade for debian hamm (for example) ? |
| 06:30.15 | gener1c | !zip |
| 06:30.15 | dpkg | somebody said zip was the file extension of the archive format formerly known as PK-Zip. Use "zip" to create them and "unzip" to extract them. |
| 06:30.50 | rue_newshop | I have it right here in my face, from a sarge set of disks "insufficient memoroy to isntall, atleast 22M of ram are required to install" |
| 06:31.01 | gener1c | always amazed me why there were 2 separate proggs for zipping and unzipping |
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| 06:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... they are just two links to thesame program? |
| 06:31.44 | gener1c | i ment something else |
| 06:31.51 | gener1c | 2 links |
| 06:32.02 | gener1c | instead of one with more synthax |
| 06:32.11 | Guerin | gener1c: because one zips and the other unzips |
| 06:32.23 | Guerin | they do different things, therefore different programs |
| 06:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | sparing you to supply options? |
| 06:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp |
| 06:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | enter didnt work |
| 06:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty weird behavior |
| 06:32.54 | gener1c | dpkg --help |
| 06:32.54 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 06:33.12 | gener1c | synopsis |
| 06:33.14 | Guerin | rue_newshop: woody = 12MB |
| 06:33.36 | Guerin | !tell gener1c -about msg the bot |
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| 06:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | -about? |
| 06:35.34 | rue_newshop | hmm |
| 06:35.47 | gener1c | hug |
| 06:35.52 | gener1c | !hug |
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| 06:37.17 | rue_newshop | what version number was woody? |
| 06:37.22 | Guerin | 3.0 |
| 06:37.33 | Guerin | it's way obsolete, but you can upgrade it once installed |
| 06:37.44 | rue_newshop | you know, damn, this might be easier with slak |
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| 06:38.07 | rue_newshop | I'm sure I could melt it into debian after it was isntalled |
| 06:38.11 | gener1c | degrading something new opposing to taking something old |
| 06:38.18 | gener1c | yup, taking something old |
| 06:38.18 | Guerin | the other thing you can do is take the storage out of your puny 16MB box and do the install in something of this millennium, then swap back |
| 06:38.32 | rue_newshop | yea\ |
| 06:38.47 | Guerin | rue_newshop: converting slack->debian will be MUCH more work than either method I've defined. |
| 06:38.56 | gener1c | lol |
| 06:38.56 | displaced | guys, i can't get my card bus services running although when i put a pc card wireless card in it works |
| 06:39.01 | displaced | any ideas |
| 06:39.13 | rue_newshop | then I could do the custom kernel too |
| 06:39.23 | gener1c | i cant get my bcm43xx to work |
| 06:39.24 | Guerin | you should, with that little ram |
| 06:39.35 | gener1c | ndiswrapper stopped working with this kernel |
| 06:39.39 | gener1c | for some reson |
| 06:39.46 | Guerin | gener1c: that's because broadcom cards are utter shit. /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 06:39.53 | gener1c | lol |
| 06:40.14 | Guerin | rue_newshop: what prevents you getting more ram or using a more modern machine? |
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| 06:40.42 | rue_newshop | its specialized hardware, it only fits 16M of 72 pin ram |
| 06:40.51 | Guerin | oh :( |
| 06:41.10 | Guerin | you probably should consider running damnsmall |
| 06:41.17 | rue_newshop | however assembling a good machine to build the image on had crossed my mind |
| 06:41.17 | Guerin | or something designed for embedded gear |
| 06:41.28 | troubled | rue_newshop: specialized hardware calls for specialized installations :) |
| 06:41.33 | rue_newshop | I have a whole 525M hard drive |
| 06:41.44 | rue_newshop | it just needs to run 1 program |
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| 06:42.02 | rue_newshop | not much more than an ethernet to serial converter |
| 06:42.03 | displaced | i haven't seena drive that small in years |
| 06:42.11 | rue_newshop | I use them up when I can |
| 06:42.14 | Guerin | rue_newshop: while true; do check $thing || reboot; done ? |
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| 06:42.40 | rue_newshop | did I already say I dont know what worse, trying to find a working floppy or a working floppy drive |
| 06:42.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:42.49 | Guerin | i have neither |
| 06:42.59 | Guerin | actually, i might - i have an old drive I haven't tested |
| 06:43.06 | Guerin | but it's *old* |
| 06:43.15 | rue_newshop | and being that 48x cdroms are like $10 now, I stripped most of the ones I have to make robots from |
| 06:43.23 | rue_newshop | I was supposed to get more... oops |
| 06:44.33 | displaced | rue_newshop: why are you using this machine to start with? |
| 06:44.48 | rue_newshop | its really small |
| 06:44.50 | displaced | this is a leptop? |
| 06:44.51 | rue_newshop | really |
| 06:44.53 | rue_newshop | no |
| 06:44.54 | displaced | laptop |
| 06:45.05 | rue_newshop | no its a really small industrial control board |
| 06:45.16 | rue_newshop | aka its a isa card |
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| 06:45.47 | nepbabu | hey guys, the selinux is giving me some headaches in enforce mode |
| 06:45.49 | displaced | have you tried one of the imbedded versions of linux? |
| 06:46.41 | rue_newshop | no, I dont belive I should have to |
| 06:46.51 | displaced | uh huh |
| 06:47.15 | rue_newshop | for all intents and purposes its a regualar pc |
| 06:47.38 | displaced | ok |
| 06:47.39 | rue_newshop | cyrix 486 66 aside... |
| 06:48.22 | displaced | tried something like meppis? |
| 06:48.36 | gener1c | im on lenny , if i used apt-get till now, whats the diffrance if i changed to aptitude? |
| 06:49.04 | displaced | aptitude gives you a menu? |
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| 06:49.10 | rue_newshop | realular debian should work fine |
| 06:49.17 | gener1c | i like it commandline style |
| 06:49.22 | Penix | speaking of weird add-on cards, I'd love to get my hands on a box with one of those SunPCi cards |
| 06:49.45 | gener1c | what do they do penix? |
| 06:49.49 | displaced | aptitude also solves dependencies |
| 06:49.59 | gener1c | apt-get does that 2 |
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| 06:50.04 | Penix | gener1c: x86 system on a card for sparc systems |
| 06:50.15 | gener1c | cool |
| 06:50.15 | geo-rge | does that 2 times bayybee |
| 06:50.18 | Penix | not much use these days. still cool though |
| 06:50.21 | displaced | can you do a search with apt-get? |
| 06:50.36 | Penix | displaced: apt-cache search |
| 06:50.38 | gener1c | yeah |
| 06:51.02 | nepbabu | what's a good place to ask questions for selinux? |
| 06:51.02 | displaced | i use apt-get for a quick install but normally i just use aptitude |
| 06:51.12 | Penix | nepbabu: #selinux |
| 06:51.16 | gener1c | heh |
| 06:51.34 | nepbabu | hmm.. |
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| 06:51.42 | displaced | or vnc into the box and use synaptic |
| 06:51.46 | gener1c | aptitude is like another frontend? |
| 06:51.49 | gener1c | that is all?! |
| 06:51.50 | Penix | eww |
| 06:52.04 | displaced | yup, only real difference i know of |
| 06:52.09 | Penix | gener1c: apt is a frontend |
| 06:52.19 | gener1c | and aptitude? |
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| 06:52.22 | gener1c | its fork? |
| 06:52.39 | geo-rge | is also a front end |
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| 06:52.50 | gener1c | so basiclly thats what i said |
| 06:52.53 | geo-rge | to the lib which does the work |
| 06:52.59 | gener1c | lol |
| 06:53.04 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 06:53.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:53.10 | lhadji | Hey! Just wondering if the 'dbe' X module is related to the libext6 package? Do i need to have that installed to use it? |
| 06:53.28 | geo-rge | hey now... aolserver is cool :P |
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| 06:53.58 | gener1c | humz |
| 06:54.05 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: AOL users have a significantly lower combined IQ than that of the AOL IT team, i'm sure. |
| 06:54.06 | displaced | i've never had an aol account |
| 06:54.12 | frold | I have a problem when I try to restart apache on my Debian 4 box - it says: Starting web server (apache2)...Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset.lock: Invalid command '3301', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration failed! |
| 06:54.22 | gener1c | thank you for using aol , you got mail, hope you dont have stocks |
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| 06:54.35 | displaced | for earthlink either |
| 06:54.50 | gener1c | but those girls on aol can sure know how to suck a knob |
| 06:54.54 | geo-rge | SerajewelKS: I see, so you've measured the iq of all members of both populations? |
| 06:55.00 | displaced | especially after the wireless disaster |
| 06:55.31 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: no but i've seen a good enough sample |
| 06:55.36 | gener1c | drop the can |
| 06:55.45 | geo-rge | kick the can! |
| 06:55.46 | rue_newshop | ok, see if the installer can handle a sub-1G video card |
| 06:55.48 | ledestin | why does bind listen on udp ports other than 53? |
| 06:55.55 | nepbabu | Penix, everyone's dead silent in #selinux |
| 06:56.06 | Firefishe | night all |
| 06:56.28 | geo-rge | nepbabu: it's probably a security measure... |
| 06:56.29 | jeffwheeler | Can anybody take a second to look through a few of my slides (minus my notes) regarding lexing/parsing I will present to some first-year highschool programming students? |
| 06:56.39 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: when you factor in that pretty much AOL user is being shafted, they're either willing to put up with it or don't know it |
| 06:56.40 | jeffwheeler | Here's the link to a pdf: http://nokrev.com/dump/parsing.pdf |
| 06:56.47 | nepbabu | geo-rge, security measure? |
| 06:56.48 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: either camp can't be that bright |
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| 06:57.01 | nepbabu | geo-rge, btw g'day! ;) |
| 06:57.09 | nepbabu | been a while since we had a chat. |
| 06:57.09 | nepbabu | hehe |
| 06:57.16 | geo-rge | nepbabu: hi, and nm... dumb joke :) |
| 06:57.25 | nepbabu | lol |
| 06:57.40 | jeffwheeler | How 'bout this, does anybody see anything important I should go over? |
| 06:58.16 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: you sure you're in the right channel? |
| 06:58.16 | geo-rge | SerajewelKS: everyone in the world is being shafted... |
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| 06:58.40 | geo-rge | until they refuse to accept unbacked currency |
| 06:58.42 | jeffwheeler | SerajewelKS: I don't know of any channel more appropriate, so I figured #debian was as good as anything else |
| 06:58.52 | jeffwheeler | plus we were already off topic :) |
| 06:58.54 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: you get my point... |
| 06:59.05 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: now you're just being pedantic |
| 06:59.14 | jeffwheeler | plenty of intelligent people in here |
| 06:59.29 | nepbabu | jeffwheeler, in #debian, all people do is talk. very talkative channel indeed :) |
| 06:59.43 | Penix | that's it. school him... |
| 06:59.44 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: on slide 6 you talk about BNF, then your example is EBNF |
| 06:59.46 | geo-rge | I'm being pedantic, yes, but about an assumptive statement about a large group of people |
| 06:59.47 | nepbabu | jeffwheeler, going to #selinux with 54 people is like a graveyard for me. |
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| 07:00.23 | Penix | I assume everyone here has a liver. oooo |
| 07:00.23 | jeffwheeler | SerajewelKS: hmm, indeed; thanks |
| 07:00.27 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: ok, well, AOL subscribers are being shafted significantly more so than the rest of us, who pay about a quarter of that for our access |
| 07:00.53 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: i would not consider that bright. if you want to talk about using a currency with no value, but that everyone else uses, that's a substantially different argument. |
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| 07:01.45 | Penix | aol users being shafted? I won't stand for such lies! |
| 07:02.13 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: and don't forget that recursive-descent parsers cannot use left-recursive grammars |
| 07:02.36 | geo-rge | SerajewelKS: perhaps the connection is that it doesn't matter as much as you're saying... and if that's the case your statistical results are skewed by that factor and would need to be brought inline with it |
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| 07:03.08 | jeffwheeler | SerajewelKS: yeah, I'll expand the "ambiguous grammars" part to explain that |
| 07:03.15 | geo-rge | (aside from which monitary status versus intelligence isn't a significant connection, something I think is a bad thing) |
| 07:03.19 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: you sure take a lighthearted joke seriously. jeez, lighten up. |
| 07:03.23 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: take a walk or something. |
| 07:03.33 | geo-rge | oh well, sorry :) |
| 07:03.56 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: i recently wrote a compiler. still writing, in fact... |
| 07:04.19 | SerajewelKS | the cool part is that it works :) |
| 07:04.39 | geo-rge | SerajewelKS: pm me if you want to find out more about the stuff I'm referring to |
| 07:04.59 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: i don't, really... |
| 07:05.19 | jeffwheeler | SerajewelKS: ah -- I did some research into this summer, but haven't done anything very neat; I was mostly interested in parsing for scoping like how Textmate does syntax-highlighting and the like, but doing it "right" ... that's what got my interested anyways |
| 07:05.59 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: yeah, what got me interested is that there aren't any good languages for .NET that can be compiled to a DynamicMethod (a compiled method that is garbage-collected) |
| 07:06.19 | jeffwheeler | SerajewelKS: ah -- I haven't used .NET |
| 07:06.22 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: so i was using some Lua bindings for C# that sucked pretty bad. my language is very C#-like and very embeddable. |
| 07:06.49 | jeffwheeler | SerajewelKS: got a link? I have a strong interest in funky languages. |
| 07:06.57 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: and after the text is compiled and a delegate created, the invokation is as fast as any other .NET method, which is important when you're making over 300,000 calls a second |
| 07:07.33 | SerajewelKS | jeffwheeler: it's in my public svn repo: svn co https://layla.chrishowie.com/svn/Cdh.Affe |
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| 07:07.57 | SerajewelKS | Tree.cs contains most of the meat, in a very disorganized fashion |
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| 07:08.06 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 07:08.18 | Ace2016 | anyone know where i can get a debian sid install disk |
| 07:08.37 | Tallu | Ace2016: you can't |
| 07:08.38 | Ace2016 | it has to be a debian sid install disk with the latest kernel from debian sid, that is the only one that i know if that will detect both of my hard disks |
| 07:08.38 | jeffwheeler | Ace2016: install etch and dist-upgrade |
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| 07:08.43 | DragoraN | hi |
| 07:08.45 | geo-rge | Ace2016: you'll have to get either lenny or etch install media |
| 07:08.58 | Eulex | Ace2016, get etch with an updated kernel. |
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| 07:09.03 | Eulex | !etch 2.6.21 |
| 07:09.04 | dpkg | methinks etch 2.6.21 is avaiable at backports.org - ask me about <bpo> |
| 07:09.09 | Ace2016 | but my large second drive is not detected by the current kernel, need sid |
| 07:09.11 | DragoraN | how can i grab packet on one interface and put him to another with changes source address? |
| 07:09.12 | Eulex | that's not it |
| 07:09.25 | Eulex | Ace2016, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 07:09.26 | Guerin | DragoraN: #iptables |
| 07:09.29 | geo-rge | btw, are you sure you want sid? some people won't want to help you try to figure out problems with what they see as a moving target |
| 07:09.30 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: use iptables masquerading |
| 07:09.44 | geo-rge | in the package ipmasq |
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| 07:10.04 | geo-rge | set up your interfaces, install ipmasq, done |
| 07:10.18 | DragoraN | SerajewelKS: is it possible to masquerade multicasts? |
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| 07:10.19 | Eulex | dpkg, etch 2.6.21 is also kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.21 kernels at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 07:10.19 | dpkg | okay, Eulex |
| 07:10.39 | rvalles | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6 |
| 07:10.42 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: probably not, and if you could i don't think you would want to... |
| 07:10.49 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: who knows though, maybe |
| 07:10.50 | rvalles | is anybody acquainted with this error? |
| 07:10.59 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: in that case you probably want to route, not masquerade |
| 07:11.00 | Ace2016 | geo-rge: well i ran debian sid for ages fine, i just went to ubuntu for a bit becuase of all the fun kde toys, but i did not like the release by release update cycle, i want the latest of everything asap |
| 07:11.02 | rvalles | that's trying to dist-upgrade an oldstable to unstable |
| 07:11.12 | DragoraN | hmm |
| 07:11.14 | SerajewelKS | rvalles: you can't do that |
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| 07:11.17 | rvalles | (m68k, only options sarge and unstable) |
| 07:11.21 | SerajewelKS | rvalles: you need to upgrade to stable first |
| 07:11.26 | rvalles | SerajewelKS: but I cannot! |
| 07:11.29 | rvalles | there's no m68k stable. |
| 07:11.32 | SerajewelKS | rvalles: then do a fresh install |
| 07:11.41 | rvalles | I cannot install unstable |
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| 07:11.47 | SerajewelKS | then you just fucked your system |
| 07:11.49 | rvalles | there's why I installed oldstable instead |
| 07:11.52 | Eulex | rvalles, try to install testing? |
| 07:11.58 | geo-rge | DragoraN: when you described what you want to do, I didn't get a complete overall idea of what you want to accomplish |
| 07:11.59 | rvalles | testing? |
| 07:12.06 | rvalles | does testing have m68k? |
| 07:12.14 | Stuart | In Gnome, In the desktop switcher (2d or 3d) where is the setting to disable showing all running applications from all desktops? IE. I just wanna see applications on the current virtual desktop |
| 07:12.22 | SerajewelKS | testing is basically stable on a 7-day delay (more or less) |
| 07:12.27 | rvalles | Eulex: it doesn't. |
| 07:12.29 | DragoraN | geo-rge: i need to get multicasts through openvpn to my home |
| 07:12.40 | Eulex | rvalles, oh§ |
| 07:12.51 | geo-rge | hmm, that's a little different from ipmasq |
| 07:13.03 | rvalles | Eulex: and unstable install is broken on m68k/amiga |
| 07:13.04 | simonrvn | rvalles: why wouldn't m68k have testing? |
| 07:13.05 | Guerin | Stuart: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 07:13.20 | geo-rge | you might want to check #iptables and #netfilter and #networking |
| 07:13.22 | Guerin | Stuart: most of us aren't much use when it comes to the horrible beast. |
| 07:13.27 | rvalles | simonrvn: no idea, they just don't. |
| 07:13.40 | Guerin | DragoraN: lartc.org if your bestest friend |
| 07:13.41 | rvalles | simonrvn: they didn't meet criteria for stable and so weren't included in 4.0 |
| 07:13.41 | Eulex | rvalles, hmmz, http://packages.debian.org/etch-m68k/ |
| 07:13.48 | DragoraN | yeah |
| 07:14.01 | SerajewelKS | rvalles: testing is not stable |
| 07:14.19 | geo-rge | and stable is not testing :) |
| 07:14.21 | rvalles | oh |
| 07:14.23 | rvalles | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/etch-m68k/ |
| 07:14.33 | rvalles | apparently there's etch/ |
| 07:14.37 | rvalles | and etch-m68k/ |
| 07:14.44 | rvalles | I guess I should go with etch-m68k |
| 07:14.50 | Eulex | haven't found any netinst, though... |
| 07:14.56 | simonrvn | rvalles: that wasn't exactly a question for info on my part, that was more of a "why wouldn't they, there's every other supported debian arch" |
| 07:14.59 | rvalles | I'll upgrade... |
| 07:15.15 | rvalles | Eulex: etch = 4.0? |
| 07:15.15 | Stuart | OK, thanks Guerin |
| 07:15.20 | Eulex | rvalles, yes |
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| 07:15.46 | Eulex | rvalles, you could perhaps install stable and dist-upgrade to this one. it's not officially supported, though, so you're on your own. |
| 07:15.49 | simonrvn | well, i should amend that, most of them have an etch release, there's exceptions |
| 07:15.51 | rvalles | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch-m68k main |
| 07:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 07:15.59 | rvalles | let's see if that works, Eulex :) |
| 07:16.11 | rvalles | (hope so) |
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| 07:16.36 | Eulex | rvalles, note that stuff might be broken from your failed upgrade to unstable... |
| 07:16.57 | rvalles | Eulex: broken stuff can always be fixed |
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| 07:17.04 | Eulex | rvalles, well, yes |
| 07:17.09 | geo-rge | rvalles: if you want to be sure, explore the mirror and make sure it corresponds to what it says in man 5 sources.list |
| 07:17.13 | rvalles | Eulex: you know, it took days to install oldstable on the A1200 ;) |
| 07:17.18 | Eulex | rvalles, with more or less trouble |
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| 07:17.28 | geo-rge | it does look good tho |
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| 07:17.54 | rvalles | Eulex: yup... I hope I don't get another E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6 |
| 07:18.19 | rvalles | worst part about that error is that it doesn't say wtf is going wrong |
| 07:19.06 | Eulex | I'd guess there are things that dpkg in sarge doesn't understand about packages in unstable. |
| 07:19.19 | rvalles | that's my guess, also |
| 07:19.25 | Guerin | rvalles: yow |
| 07:19.27 | Guerin | not pretty |
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| 07:23.39 | simonrvn | rvalles: you can't update from sarge to sid, it'll break... |
| 07:23.55 | Crush` | is it possible to check to see if a file has 'duration: 2' and 'duration: 3' on alternating lines? |
| 07:24.09 | geo-rge | you probably have to upgrade to etch and then to lenny |
| 07:24.33 | dalias | crush`, ? |
| 07:24.39 | dalias | sounds like telecine work.. |
| 07:24.40 | geo-rge | write a perl script... or try sgrep |
| 07:25.02 | Crush` | say i have a file that has nothing but lines that have duration: 2 on one line and then the next line has duration: 3 |
| 07:25.14 | Crush` | is there a way to check to see if they alternate |
| 07:25.26 | geo-rge | you'd script that |
| 07:25.33 | Crush` | of course |
| 07:25.36 | geo-rge | and so yes. |
| 07:25.43 | Crush` | dalias: yup :-) |
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| 07:26.51 | Crush` | sgrep looks like what i need |
| 07:26.52 | Crush` | thanks |
| 07:27.04 | Gm4n | how do I share a screen session with another user? |
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| 07:28.01 | Penix | Gm4n: the #screen topic mentions http://aperiodic.net/screen/multiuser |
| 07:28.26 | Gm4n | ah, so I should have looked to see if they had a channel. my bad :( |
| 07:28.31 | Gm4n | (thanks, by the way!) |
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| 07:29.14 | dalias | btw multiuser screen is inherently insecure |
| 07:29.24 | Gm4n | that's fine, just two people on server |
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| 07:31.32 | Dewi | why is there a /root/.bashrc if /root/.bash_profile doesn't source it? |
| 07:31.36 | dalias | crush`, telecine measurement will almost never be that 'perfect' |
| 07:31.52 | rue_newshop | well, my only thoughts on this new isntaller are "bloated" |
| 07:31.52 | dalias | dewi, .bashrc is for non-login shells |
| 07:32.04 | dalias | .bash_profile (or just .profile) is for login shells |
| 07:32.15 | dalias | you need to manually make bash_profile source .bashrc if you want it to |
| 07:32.31 | dalias | rue_newshop, ? |
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| 07:33.27 | rue_newshop | I mean the installer program |
| 07:33.34 | rue_newshop | its not gonna try to isntall X is it? |
| 07:33.49 | dalias | don't check any of the boxes in tasksel |
| 07:34.01 | Dewi | dalias: I don't understand the meaning of the difference |
| 07:34.03 | dalias | including internet client |
| 07:34.09 | Ace2016 | could i download the installer iso and edit it and replace the kernel directory with the latest one from sid?? |
| 07:34.25 | dalias | dewi, a login shell is a shell started by sshd, console login, etc. |
| 07:34.36 | Penix | Dewi: the difference between one applying to any sort of bash instance and one applying to only login shells? |
| 07:34.41 | dalias | a non-login shell is a shell started by typing 'bash' or in an xterm, etc |
| 07:35.04 | Dewi | dalias / Penix : well why does the default /root/.bashrc have a prompt definition ending in '$' ? what is this for? |
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| 07:35.28 | dalias | the idea is that you might want to do different things on login versus on starting a new shell in an existing login session |
| 07:35.47 | Dewi | dalias: but only for root, by default... |
| 07:35.52 | dalias | ? |
| 07:36.03 | Dewi | dalias: the default user .bash_profile sources .bashrc, the root one does not |
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| 07:36.31 | Dewi | dalias: there seems to be some kind of strange but deliberate pattern with these things, but I've never been able to work out what it was |
| 07:36.35 | xingu | Dewi: you do realise that things like scp/sftp start up a full blown user $SHELL ? |
| 07:36.44 | DustyBin | i know some server companies do not like irc'd running on them, however, are there any security issues with running a eggdrop bot from a server? |
| 07:36.45 | Penix | a shell spawned by a process to execute something is considered non-login, isn't it? |
| 07:36.46 | DragoraN | multicasts work in openvpn tunnel using windows vista as client? |
| 07:36.47 | xingu | Dewi: there's no conceptual issue with treating the login shell as a superset |
| 07:37.45 | xingu | Dewi: but you might not particularly want to do things like set xterm escapes in PS1 for a non login shell. |
| 07:37.50 | xingu | Dewi: could be counterproductve |
| 07:38.08 | Dewi | xingu: the default user config does it |
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| 07:38.31 | bonez44 | I need help changing permissions...I have this >> on machine that works... to play sound : brw-rw-r-- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-02-25 23:38 hdc and THIS on machine that will not play audio cd's...giving permission error : brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2007-09-28 11:50 /dev/hdc |
| 07:38.40 | Dewi | xingu: wouldn't the scp/sftp example be a full login shell anyway? |
| 07:38.41 | bonez44 | how do I change the permission on the second entry to reflect the first entry? |
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| 07:39.13 | xingu | Dewi: one end isn't |
| 07:39.19 | Dewi | bonez44: probably better just to add your desired user to the 'cdrom' group |
| 07:39.30 | Dewi | bonez44: rather than opening up cdrom access to everyone as you propose |
| 07:39.34 | xingu | Dewi: default in sid has [ -z "$PS1" ] && return |
| 07:39.57 | xingu | Dewi: as a canary to prevent bashrc from running in a noninteractive shell; yes, that's not exactly my taste either |
| 07:40.04 | geo-rge | bonez44: are you in that group? (groups) |
| 07:40.25 | xingu | Dewi: I'd code it to ensure that .bashrc only had things that were noninteractive-desirable |
| 07:40.39 | geo-rge | a programmatic canary... |
| 07:41.06 | Dewi | xingu: wouldn't it make more sense to have extra configuration that is loaded *if* your shell is interactive rather than when it isn't? |
| 07:41.19 | Dewi | xingu: I can't think of any situation where you'd want MORE things to happen on a non-user shell |
| 07:41.23 | xingu | Dewi: that construct already exists; the login shell, will source .bash_profile |
| 07:41.30 | bonez44 | geo-rge: yeah, I just ran 'adduser scott cdrom' and it added me, but I still get this error > Could not read the CD Sound Juicer could not access the CD-ROM device '/dev/hdc' Reason: Permission denied |
| 07:41.35 | geo-rge | if builders built buildings the way programmers write programs... the first woodpecker to come along would have destroyed civilization |
| 07:41.47 | xingu | Dewi: but there is a subset of things that you'd want to happen in the noninteractive case too - hence, source .bashrc from it. |
| 07:41.58 | Dewi | xingu: doesn't bash_profile happen in noninteractive shells? |
| 07:42.13 | xingu | Dewi: curse you for making me rtfm |
| 07:42.15 | geo-rge | bonez44: output of groups shows you in that group? |
| 07:42.26 | xingu | Dewi: no |
| 07:42.34 | Dewi | xingu: because it sounds like prompt changes would be better off in .bash_profile then, yet debian has them in .bashrc |
| 07:42.54 | beardy | Therefore one wants to always use .bashrc, and include it in .bash_profile. |
| 07:42.56 | xingu | Dewi: "not exactly my taste"; my weasel-fu wins again. |
| 07:42.58 | bonez44 | geo-rge: what do I run to show if I am in it or not? |
| 07:43.14 | Dewi | beardy: if I do that in debian, root no longer has a prompt ending in # |
| 07:43.19 | geo-rge | bonez44: output of ==> groups <== shows you in that group? |
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| 07:43.23 | Dewi | beardy: it's all rather strange |
| 07:43.32 | xingu | Dewi: the concept is fine; I dislike the debian exit-from-.bashrc-if-noninteractive; defeats the purpose. |
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| 07:43.53 | xingu | Dewi: fortunately, that's only an issue at adduser time... |
| 07:44.05 | bonez44 | geo-rge: ok...despite adding myself...it doesnt' list me in 'cdrom' |
| 07:44.07 | xingu | Dewi: and only then if you forget to update /etc/skel with your site-locals |
| 07:44.36 | Dewi | xingu: I'm still utterly confusesd. If we have a file - bash_profile, that loads on all login shells, why on earth put PS1 stuff in the other file, and then add hacks to try and stop it loading in non-interactive/ |
| 07:44.38 | geo-rge | bonez44: interesting! so now the question is (my favorite which is) |
| 07:44.41 | Dewi | ? |
| 07:44.42 | geo-rge | why? |
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| 07:45.40 | cahoot | bonez44: logout/login to update group memberships |
| 07:45.57 | xingu | Dewi: aah; because the notion of "noninteractive" is meaningless; all $SHELL's are interactive, like it or lump it; the discriminator, and I should be shot for terminology abuse, is login v non-login. |
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| 07:46.13 | geo-rge | cahoot: you just robbed him of the chance to think for himself |
| 07:46.19 | Dewi | xingu: what's an example of a non-login shell apart from me typing 'bash' ? |
| 07:46.23 | cahoot | geo-rge: damn |
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| 07:46.39 | xingu | Dewi: one spawned by sshd to handle an scp remote network source or sink. |
| 07:46.50 | geo-rge | oh well, there will be other chances |
| 07:46.52 | Dewi | xingu: I thought that was a login shell? |
| 07:46.56 | maazu | Dewi: greetings, i often boot from kernel command line with the command: init=/bin/sh |
| 07:46.59 | xingu | Dewi: shouldn't be, no |
| 07:47.00 | Dewi | xingu: since I'm... logging in with my authentication method |
| 07:47.20 | xingu | Dewi: yes, but it's not attached to a pty/tty |
| 07:47.23 | Dewi | xingu: oh sorry you said scp |
| 07:48.18 | Dewi | xingu: so why isn't the PS1 stuff in .bash_profile ? |
| 07:48.22 | xingu | Dewi: also, consider #! web cgi's... |
| 07:48.32 | xingu | Dewi: that, I can't help you with |
| 07:48.55 | dalias | one spawned by sshd IS A LOGIN SHELL |
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| 07:49.03 | dalias | xingu, put down the crackpipe |
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| 07:49.11 | geo-rge | Dewi: look at how the files in /etc/skel are set up |
| 07:49.12 | Dewi | xingu: i'm just not sure where to put my customisations for root, since by default it loads nothing for a login shell |
| 07:49.16 | dalias | a shell spawned by typing 'bash' or in an xterm, etc. is not a login shell |
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| 07:49.22 | dalias | unless you use -l to make it one |
| 07:49.23 | Dewi | xingu: (but does load stuff for non-login shells!) |
| 07:49.49 | dalias | dewi, by default it loads .bash_profile for a login shell!!! |
| 07:49.51 | geo-rge | you could start with what it has there and customize |
| 07:49.51 | beardy | What customisations for root? You shouldn't use root long enough to need it be customised for your pleasure when using it. |
| 07:49.58 | dalias | just put the following line in .bash_profile: |
| 07:50.09 | dalias | . /root/.bashrc |
| 07:50.16 | Dewi | dalias: root doesn't have a .bash_profile by default |
| 07:50.21 | dalias | dewi, then make one!! |
| 07:50.25 | geo-rge | then put one there |
| 07:50.26 | dalias | *sigh* |
| 07:50.29 | geo-rge | :) |
| 07:50.34 | Dewi | dalias: and as I already said, if I do that, root's prompt ends in $ |
| 07:50.38 | Dewi | dalias: which seems wrong |
| 07:50.38 | geo-rge | some problems are so somple :) |
| 07:50.50 | geo-rge | no, you CUSTOMIZE it |
| 07:50.51 | dalias | that sounds bogus... |
| 07:51.05 | xingu | dalias: err? a shell spawned by sshd for scp, is not a login shell - empirically tested, here, just now. |
| 07:51.09 | dalias | PS1 should contain '\$' not a literal $ |
| 07:51.15 | dalias | xingu, it is a login shell |
| 07:51.28 | dalias | how did you test it? |
| 07:51.38 | dalias | oh lol scp |
| 07:51.41 | xingu | dalias: added "date >> /tmp/logins" to .bash_profile |
| 07:51.42 | geo-rge | wouldn't \$ be even more literal? |
| 07:51.49 | dalias | that's non-interactive |
| 07:51.55 | xingu | it's also nonlogin. |
| 07:51.55 | dalias | so .bashrc/.bash_profile will not be run |
| 07:52.06 | lsemple | hey is there a way that I can pop up an app that is running already from the command line ? |
| 07:52.10 | dalias | non-interactive has no such property as login/nonlogin |
| 07:52.10 | geo-rge | for scp |
| 07:52.15 | dalias | it only applies to interactive shells |
| 07:52.19 | geo-rge | but why would scp run a shell at all? |
| 07:52.25 | xingu | geo-rge: because it must |
| 07:52.34 | lsemple | ie. if adept is running, somehow pop it up from the command line |
| 07:52.36 | geo-rge | for what purpose? |
| 07:52.48 | dalias | geo-rge, because sshd _always_ runs a shell |
| 07:52.48 | xingu | geo-rge: scp is just 8bit clean "cat" with bandwidth control |
| 07:53.04 | dalias | either an interactive shell or a non-interactive shell running a command |
| 07:53.07 | maazu | lsemple: like you wanna free the command line for other things, and let the app run as a separate process? |
| 07:53.15 | geo-rge | ok I see |
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| 07:53.49 | dalias | anyway xingu sshd spawns either login shells or non-interactive shells |
| 07:53.52 | xingu | what I really wanna know, is what I did to turn on bash_completions, and why it isn't happening on this new system |
| 07:53.56 | Dewi | beardy: 2 things: 1) I want root to use vim, not bloody nano. 2) I like root prompts to be red, to remind me I'm running as root. |
| 07:53.59 | dalias | never an interactive non-login shell |
| 07:53.59 | geo-rge | but wait, xingu's reason and dalias' reason are almost the opposite |
| 07:54.05 | lsemple | maazu: no |
| 07:54.09 | geo-rge | yet I suspect you're both right |
| 07:54.10 | Dewi | beardy: these are matters of safety not comfort |
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| 07:54.28 | xingu | dalias is right; the discriminator is interactive/ noninteractive, not login/non-login |
| 07:54.30 | maazu | lsemple: then i dont understand your query |
| 07:54.38 | lsemple | I am trying to use shorcuts |
| 07:54.48 | Dewi | so do non-interactive source either file? |
| 07:54.49 | lsemple | and if I hit say, alt-f5 |
| 07:55.00 | dalias | non-interactive shells do not source anything afaik |
| 07:55.00 | lsemple | it will pop up lets say, adept or something |
| 07:55.01 | lsemple | but, |
| 07:55.09 | lsemple | if it is already running |
| 07:55.10 | maazu | lsemple: in kde that brings up a task list of windoes |
| 07:55.12 | xingu | there's an implied property as he says, that .bash_profile is only sourced in the login+interactive (ie, new group parent, attached to pty/tty case) |
| 07:55.16 | lsemple | I dont wat a duplicate adept |
| 07:55.33 | lsemple | yeah well I will use another shortcut, thats just for example |
| 07:55.40 | DragoraN | is there way how to create GRE tunnel between winxp and linux? |
| 07:55.52 | beardy | Dewi: And the problem actually is? |
| 07:55.57 | geo-rge | lsemple: interesting that some shortcuts lead you into a big forest you get lost in... and you have to spend time (1) finding your way to where the short cut was intended to go and (2) back to where you originally were |
| 07:56.27 | Dewi | beardy: the defaults are inconsistent so I need to understand them, but they appear also to make no sense |
| 07:56.44 | lsemple | it is to prevent duplicate procecces |
| 07:57.04 | lsemple | of the same program/app |
| 07:57.07 | beardy | Dewi: /root/.profile includes /root/.bashrc, why can't you add the things you need in /root/.bashrc? |
| 07:57.11 | Dewi | beardy: and I'm just... kind of frustrated that after so many years of using bash I still just don't understand the rcfiles at all |
| 07:57.18 | xingu | now, who wants to tell me what I did to enable bash completions |
| 07:57.30 | Dewi | beardy: because it doesn't run on ssh login |
| 07:57.52 | geo-rge | xingu: copied all the files from /etc/skel to ~? |
| 07:57.59 | beardy | Dewi: Well.. ok. You are thinking about that allowing that in the first place isn't good? |
| 07:58.02 | Dewi | beardy: I don't know why that .profile sourcing doesn't fire |
| 07:58.02 | xingu | geo-rge: brand new sid netinstall |
| 07:58.09 | Dewi | beardy: but it definitely doesn't |
| 07:58.27 | geo-rge | xingu: so you've looked in /etc/skel? :) |
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| 07:58.52 | Dewi | beardy: well, I question why it's all organised so differently from the defaults for user shells. But neither system makes sense - it seems like PS1 manipulations should be in an interactive-login-only file but they are always in .bashrc |
| 07:58.55 | xingu | geo-rge: yes. :) but this user was only just added, so skel->~ has already happened. |
| 07:59.22 | beardy | Dewi: No, but .bashrc should be used then, and there is where you will add your custom things? |
| 07:59.39 | geo-rge | and the completion stuff is in the files in /etc/skel which got copied to ~, right? |
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| 08:00.02 | maazu | times up |
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| 08:00.23 | geo-rge | oh MAN! I coulda had a V8! |
| 08:00.25 | xingu | geo-rge: sort-of; /etc/bash_completions, which is also sourced by /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 08:00.33 | beardy | Dewi: When you run for example screen, you want your PS1 aswell, has to be in .bashrc. |
| 08:00.51 | Dewi | beardy: why? why change shells and make user customisations in the one that loads in non-login contexts? Why not keep them login-only and remove risk? |
| 08:01.07 | xingu | geo-rge: but now we're on the right track; as I now suspect Dewi's struggling with, the default root dotfiles != /etc/skel files |
| 08:01.15 | Dewi | beardy: running screen on the ssh command line doesn't work anyway |
| 08:01.16 | xingu | geo-rge: and I habitually use su -/ sudo -s |
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| 08:01.31 | Dewi | beardy: oh you mean inside the screen? |
| 08:01.36 | lsemple | ok to narrow my question down: is there any way I can create a shortcut that will not re-run a currently running app, and just restore it instead (un-minimize it) |
| 08:01.42 | beardy | Dewi: You should not be talking about risks, while allowing root logins over ssh. |
| 08:01.44 | geo-rge | Dewi: the bottom line is you can set these things up any way you want to, any way you think works best for you |
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| 08:02.06 | lsemple | ie, I would like to change default task manager to qps (when you hit crtl-esc) |
| 08:02.15 | beardy | Dewi: I mean when spawning another screen with bash in it. |
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| 08:02.32 | Dewi | beardy: pfft. sometimes it's safer than using sudo |
| 08:02.40 | Dewi | sudo messes some things up |
| 08:02.41 | lsemple | but, if qps is already running, and I hit ctrl-esc again, it will start a new qps, I dont want that |
| 08:02.47 | beardy | Dewi: I didn't say sudo. |
| 08:03.06 | Dewi | beardy: what? su? that's an even more crazy hybrid environment |
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| 08:03.24 | beardy | Dewi: su, when necessary, instead of ssh rootlogins. |
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| 08:03.41 | geo-rge | sometimes it's better to ssh login@localhost |
| 08:04.13 | geo-rge | under certain conditions then you can run x apps |
| 08:04.23 | Dewi | yep |
| 08:04.30 | Dewi | running X apps under sudo and su is terrible |
| 08:04.37 | Dewi | and occasionally you do want a gvim as root |
| 08:04.44 | beardy | Running X as root.. you don't. |
| 08:04.52 | geo-rge | I don't try, that's too much of a pita hassle |
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| 08:05.38 | et | using 'sux' is a hassle? |
| 08:05.44 | Dewi | so if root needs unicode, clipboards, good visual diffs... you change permissions of files or copy them elsewhere and run as nonroot? |
| 08:05.53 | Dewi | that's hassle. |
| 08:05.55 | lsemple | ? |
| 08:06.27 | Dewi | I mean... if you block root from sshd you can't even remote copy files |
| 08:06.32 | geo-rge | where is tabify for xchat |
| 08:06.59 | lsemple | question: how do I prevent programs from having multiple instances (like xmms) ? |
| 08:07.11 | geo-rge | it's worse for me, I completely turn sshd and telnetd off on the gateway |
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| 08:07.17 | Coweater | lsemple: use a wrapper script to start them |
| 08:07.27 | lsemple | ok, how do I do this ? |
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| 08:08.16 | lsemple | I know the basics of creating a script |
| 08:08.22 | beardy | telnetd is never running to be turned off. |
| 08:08.28 | lsemple | and using chmod to allow it to execute, ect. |
| 08:08.39 | lsemple | but, what do I put in the script? |
| 08:08.46 | beardy | lsemple: Then you check if the program is running, if it is, don't start it, if it isn't, start it. |
| 08:08.59 | Dewi | lsemple: using pgrep or ps |
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| 08:09.15 | lsemple | Im a newb at these things |
| 08:09.35 | geo-rge | a reading newb becomes a guru very quickly |
| 08:09.37 | lsemple | I dont know how to use "if", "and" ect in shell |
| 08:09.52 | geo-rge | apt-get install bash-doc |
| 08:09.53 | lsemple | in fact |
| 08:09.55 | Dewi | lsemple: google for shell scripting, bash scripting tutorials |
| 08:09.56 | geo-rge | and then info bash |
| 08:10.00 | lsemple | I dont even know how to get started |
| 08:10.17 | geo-rge | there's a jazz tune called "I can't get started" |
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| 08:11.01 | lsemple | how can I query a process (ps, or pgrep) to see if a certain program is running ? |
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| 08:11.41 | geo-rge | try ps aux | grep programname |
| 08:12.29 | candyban | Hi guys. I was wondering what license lirc has? (as it is in main, I would suppose it has a "free" license?) ... Then why are the kernel drivers not compiled in with the main distro (or as a separate package) |
| 08:12.30 | lsemple | see thats the complex stuff I dont understand |
| 08:12.31 | lsemple | lol |
| 08:12.41 | Coweater | pgrep would probably be easier, read it's man page, pay attention to the exit status |
| 08:12.41 | lsemple | using pipes and all that |
| 08:13.01 | Dewi | lsemple: they return a code called an exit status which shell constructs such as 'if' will test |
| 08:13.12 | geo-rge | lsemple: ok... |
| 08:13.30 | geo-rge | can you picture a stream in a forest |
| 08:13.36 | Coweater | a good bash tutorial will go a long way in understanding those concepts |
| 08:13.47 | lsemple | geo-rge: that command outputted some text |
| 08:13.56 | lsemple | when I tested it with konversation |
| 08:14.00 | geo-rge | interesting... |
| 08:14.10 | beardy | !absg lsemple |
| 08:14.10 | dpkg | lsemple: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
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| 08:14.22 | lsemple | ok |
| 08:14.25 | lsemple | I will read I guess |
| 08:14.37 | geo-rge | so can you picture a stream in the forest? |
| 08:14.43 | lsemple | its about time I stopped going to chat rooms to ask for help anyway |
| 08:15.03 | Dewi | lsemple: you can start to test exit statuses like this if you like.... if pgrep init; then echo running; fi |
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| 08:16.25 | Dewi | lsemple: sometimes it's useful to use boolean operators too: pgrep init || echo notrunning |
| 08:17.04 | geo-rge | lsemple: you don't seem to be responding... is there a problem? |
| 08:17.15 | lsemple | ahh geo-rge |
| 08:17.24 | lsemple | sorry just reading |
| 08:17.29 | lsemple | I will figure this out in time |
| 08:17.32 | rjm | I have a fresh installation of the debian virtual appliance for vmware, and my connection to the net resets every once in awhile, where I can start to figure out how to fix |
| 08:17.39 | geo-rge | just listen a minute |
| 08:17.40 | lsemple | I was just wondering if there was an easy way |
| 08:17.43 | lsemple | ok |
| 08:17.54 | lsemple | ? |
| 08:17.55 | geo-rge | you see a stream in the forest, |
| 08:18.05 | geo-rge | you follow it to a big tree |
| 08:18.14 | lsemple | I see the back of my eye lids sorry dude |
| 08:18.19 | geo-rge | you see the stream is coming from the tree |
| 08:18.35 | lsemple | okokok |
| 08:18.37 | geo-rge | you also see right over the stream the number 1 |
| 08:18.55 | lsemple | alright |
| 08:19.00 | lsemple | keep going |
| 08:19.04 | geo-rge | when you walk around the tree, you see two other streams |
| 08:19.14 | geo-rge | the one marked 0 is going into the tree |
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| 08:19.30 | geo-rge | the one marked 2 is going out |
| 08:19.38 | peterS | errrr, are we about to be eaten by a grue? |
| 08:19.40 | geo-rge | you look around the forest |
| 08:19.52 | geo-rge | you see lots of trees just like this |
| 08:20.23 | geo-rge | then you see a grue |
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| 08:20.48 | peterS | how gruesome |
| 08:20.50 | lsemple | what is a grue ? |
| 08:20.56 | beardy | lsemple: pgrep someprog > /dev/null; if [ "$?" = "1" ]; then someprog; fi # if someprog is running, do nothing, if it isn't, run it. |
| 08:20.57 | geo-rge | the grue is arranging the stream 1 of one tree to go into the stream 0 of another |
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| 08:21.06 | geo-rge | it's peterS's fault :P |
| 08:21.08 | Dewi | geo-rge: you do realise that streams are in no way related to lsemple's problem, right? |
| 08:21.10 | peterS | yes, yes it is |
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| 08:21.15 | geo-rge | I blame the grue on HIM! |
| 08:21.30 | peterS | what do you want to be when you grue up? |
| 08:21.31 | lsemple | beardy: thanks ! |
| 08:21.39 | lsemple | george: thanks too |
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| 08:22.02 | simonrvn | one silver plate, handed up |
| 08:22.14 | geo-rge | lsemple: each of these trees is a process |
| 08:22.31 | beardy | lsemple: I suggest very strongly that you read the abs guide, and try, and learn from it. |
| 08:22.33 | geo-rge | all processes start out having three streams, 0 1 2 |
| 08:22.36 | peterS | > pstree |
| 08:22.52 | geo-rge | not that kind of tree :P ok, so I picked the wrong plant!! |
| 08:23.17 | simonrvn | no, good analogy |
| 08:23.19 | peterS | the terminology for these streams is not really std, eh? |
| 08:23.27 | geo-rge | studly? no |
| 08:23.38 | lsemple | beardy: thanks alot, |
| 08:23.40 | peterS | std as in -in, -out, -err |
| 08:23.46 | geo-rge | err, what? |
| 08:23.58 | peterS | sorry, that was the grue |
| 08:23.59 | lsemple | beardy: how do I make it so it will restore a program that is minimized if it is already running ? |
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| 08:24.43 | beardy | lsemple: That is up to your window manager. Check its keyboard shortcuts, might be something there that does what you want. |
| 08:24.48 | geo-rge | lsemple: here is what a file redirect is (like say in ls > foo.txt) |
| 08:25.05 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 08:25.13 | Ace2016 | i think i found a way to install debian sid |
| 08:25.42 | geo-rge | you see a new tree, with a big sign that says "I am a mighty LS", and has the same three streams |
| 08:25.45 | Ace2016 | could i use mepis to install then drist-upgrade? it already seems to have 2.6.22 |
| 08:25.59 | kumaran | hi, I need ncurses package to be installed. But if I give "apt-get install ncurses", I get error "Package ncurses is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:26.00 | kumaran | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 08:26.00 | kumaran | is only available from another source |
| 08:26.00 | kumaran | " |
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| 08:26.01 | beardy | lsemple: It will help if you tell us which program this is about? |
| 08:26.18 | geo-rge | you look at stream 1, and you see that the tree is busy sending filenames out of that stream |
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| 08:26.39 | geo-rge | lsemple: you see that part? |
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| 08:27.35 | kumaran | hi, I need ncurses package to be installed. But if I give "apt-get install ncurses", I get error ""Package ncurses is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source". How to install ncurses package? |
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| 08:27.50 | beardy | Don't guess packagenames. Search. |
| 08:27.51 | cahoot | kumaran: try aptitude search ncurses and choose what you need fro that list |
| 08:28.04 | kumaran | cahoot: thanks |
| 08:28.34 | geo-rge | beardy: if he's getting it, then this is an example of "some things are true, others false, no matter what you believe" |
| 08:28.35 | cahoot | kumaran: if the goal is to compile a kernel then install kernel-package |
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| 08:28.53 | kumaran | cahoot: yes, I got a list of search result. |
| 08:29.02 | kumaran | cahoot: yes, I want to do kernel compilation |
| 08:29.18 | geo-rge | the one problem is I can't tell if he's getting it |
| 08:29.31 | beardy | !be |
| 08:29.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. |
| 08:29.37 | beardy | !b-e |
| 08:29.37 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 08:29.45 | kumaran | cahoot: I already have kernel source, now I am going to compile that, but for that I need ncurses required. |
| 08:29.49 | geo-rge | and everyone else is busy piling advanced material when he said he's a newbie |
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| 08:29.57 | cahoot | kumaran: then install kernel-package |
| 08:30.13 | kumaran | cahoot: how to give command for that? |
| 08:30.16 | cahoot | kumaran: and build-essentail as suggested above |
| 08:30.43 | kumaran | cahoot: apt-get install kernel* Will this be enough? |
| 08:30.45 | cahoot | kumaran: aptitude install <pkg>? |
| 08:31.28 | kumaran | cahoot: fine, thank you |
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| 08:35.44 | geo-rge | !qotd49 |
| 08:35.44 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 08:36.10 | geo-rge | THAT explains it! |
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| 08:41.15 | DustyBin | how would one change the permissions of a log file once its rotated? |
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| 08:41.37 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:41.45 | DustyBin | im using awstats and i need the .log file to be set at certain permissions once its rotated otherwise awstats cannot read the .log |
| 08:42.08 | ondesktop | is there something like a Debian live CD which is specially made for rescuing the system etc.? or should I stick to Knoppix? |
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| 08:45.06 | cahoot | ondesktop: might look at this: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:45.54 | ondesktop | cahoot: ty, that looks like what I was looking for |
| 08:46.31 | ma3x | if you write to DVD disc till there is no space left on device, is it possible not to recognize the disc after when playing? |
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| 09:01.57 | et | what would you do to have multiple possibilities for configuration in /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless card? |
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| 09:02.48 | Eulex | et, you have several configs, but all except one are commented out (to be able to switch quickly) |
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| 09:07.59 | assasukasse | morning all, what can i use for playing a wav file in cli? |
| 09:09.03 | Eulex | assasukasse, a quick apt-cache search turns up moc. |
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| 09:10.06 | xingu | et: you could also peruse tfm for interfaces(5) and have a think about the "mapping"'s mentioned in it |
| 09:10.07 | Penix | assasukasse: splay, sox |
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| 09:10.32 | cahoot | aplay |
| 09:10.42 | assasukasse | Penix: sox? it plays too? |
| 09:10.50 | Penix | assasukasse: yeah. might be overkill though |
| 09:11.57 | assasukasse | Penix: thanks |
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| 09:23.04 | Guillaume_Piki-C | hello, is there anyboby who speak french ? |
| 09:23.19 | Supaplex | !fr |
| 09:23.19 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:24.04 | Guillaume_Piki-C | thanks ;) |
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| 09:29.32 | et | xingu: looks like what i was looking for, thanks |
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| 09:45.36 | chemist | am I better off with 486 kernel or k7 kernel for an amd sempron 32 bit? |
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| 09:47.48 | dalias | chemist, k7 of course |
| 09:47.58 | dalias | 486 kernel is if you want a kernel that runs anywhere but sucks :) |
| 09:48.22 | chemist | so is there any way of forcing the netinstall cd to install k7 instead of 486? |
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| 09:49.44 | moshii | chemist: upgrade the kernel once you've done the install |
| 09:49.51 | r-wolf | how do I get my env vars to be visible everywhere in the system, not only in Bash? |
| 09:49.57 | chemist | ok |
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| 09:51.58 | moshii | chemist: IIRC d-i tries to install the most suitable kernel at install time thought, so it's always installed a 686 kernel on my p4/xeon etc boxes |
| 09:51.58 | r-wolf | when I start eclipse from bash, it uses proper JVM, but being launched from gnome it tries to use kaffe VM |
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| 09:52.22 | moshii | chemist: s/thought/though |
| 09:52.33 | ringo999 | hi. i would like to install windows and debian in parallel. I have a 80GB harddisk. What is a recommended installation procedure and partition setup? |
| 09:52.58 | chemist | moshii: whats teh difference between k7 and k7-smp |
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| 09:53.53 | moshii | ringo999: decide how you want the disk to look, how much you want to give to windows, how much to debian, putting a fat32 partition for transfer between the two is a good idea. Install windows first, then the debian install should be able to install debian while leaving windows bootable |
| 09:54.06 | xand | smp is for dual core CPUs and multiple CPUs |
| 09:54.12 | moshii | chemist: k7-smp is for multi-proc/multi-core |
| 09:54.13 | xand | s/dual/multi/ |
| 09:54.21 | chemist | thanks |
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| 09:55.06 | moshii | chemist: all the kernels are smp in testing/unstable now however, there's no badness running an smp kernel on non-smp hardware |
| 09:55.38 | ringo999 | moshii: yeah, and in the partition setup for debian, normally i choose "put all on one disk", what about the other options, like putting the home foler on a separate partition? does that make sense? how about the partition for swap? |
| 09:55.52 | ringo999 | swap should be the size of the RAM? |
| 09:56.02 | xand | how much RAM do you have? |
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| 09:56.03 | Vintik | RAM*1.5 |
| 09:56.05 | loquitus_of_borg | How can I ask find to give me a list of all the files that are x hrs or x minutes old, or that were created after a certain date/time? |
| 09:56.31 | xand | loquitus_of_borg: you can't search by creation time, as the filesystem doesn't record... only modification time |
| 09:56.42 | loquitus_of_borg | xand: modification time is good. |
| 09:56.43 | xand | *doesn't record creation time |
| 09:56.44 | Vintik | xand, RAM*1.5 |
| 09:57.05 | xand | Vintik: if you had 16GB of RAM, 24GB of swap would be overkill |
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| 09:57.34 | xand | loquitus_of_borg: you use -mmin/-mtime |
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| 09:58.13 | moshii | xand: and it's doubtful your machine could actually use 16gb of ram and 24 of swap |
| 09:58.14 | Vintik | xand, may be, so 16 GB of RAM doesn't need swap :) |
| 09:58.18 | loquitus_of_borg | xand: ah ok. |
| 09:58.20 | loquitus_of_borg | thanks. |
| 09:58.36 | L0cKn | 16GB? |
| 09:58.37 | L0cKn | WHAT? |
| 09:58.43 | xand | loquitus_of_borg: like, find / -mmin +30 -mmin -60 will find things modified between 30 and 60 mins ago |
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| 09:58.50 | xand | L0cKn: we have such machines at work ;) |
| 09:59.00 | moshii | Vintik: swap is good to have because unused pages can be swapped out and the real memory used for disk caches etc |
| 09:59.02 | L0cKn | I have 4gb |
| 09:59.07 | L0cKn | In this computer |
| 09:59.09 | L0cKn | -_-" |
| 09:59.16 | loquitus_of_borg | xand: thanks. that's cool. |
| 09:59.18 | xand | these are servers used by several hundred users |
| 09:59.20 | Vintik | we have 32GB on production servers )) |
| 09:59.30 | L0cKn | nice :D |
| 09:59.43 | L0cKn | 32gb is incredible |
| 09:59.45 | L0cKn | :| |
| 10:00.11 | moshii | L0cKn: anything abovve 4gb is messy on intel machines.. |
| 10:00.18 | xand | bah, I'll be late for work at this rate |
| 10:01.26 | Vintik | L0cKn, but for Voip servers it's not bad |
| 10:01.40 | wols | moshii: not really. not with x86-64 :) |
| 10:01.50 | ringo999 | so 2GB of ram, what is a good swap size? |
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| 10:01.51 | L0cKn | :D |
| 10:01.57 | ringo999 | 3GB= |
| 10:01.58 | L0cKn | RichiH: 1gb |
| 10:02.02 | L0cKn | ops |
| 10:02.08 | L0cKn | ringo999: 1gb is good |
| 10:02.12 | L0cKn | if you have 2gb |
| 10:02.16 | moshii | wols: the addressing above 4gb in EMT64 is pretty painful or so I've heard |
| 10:02.17 | ringo999 | ok |
| 10:02.17 | wols | ringo999: depends on your workload. around 1-2GB probably |
| 10:02.33 | wols | moshii: why would it? |
| 10:02.33 | L0cKn | Now i go |
| 10:02.35 | L0cKn | bye bye! :-) |
| 10:02.38 | Vintik | cay |
| 10:02.40 | Vintik | cya |
| 10:02.41 | wols | there are 64bit address registers |
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| 10:02.50 | valdyn | moshii: its just 48 bits physical addressing |
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| 10:03.00 | valdyn | moshii: not painful at all |
| 10:03.21 | Vintik | it's interesting but many books write, swap should be RAM*1.5, may be it's true for <=2 |
| 10:03.24 | Vintik | <=512 |
| 10:03.26 | Vintik | ш ьуфт |
| 10:03.28 | Vintik | i mean |
| 10:03.58 | wols | Vintik: those books are OLD |
| 10:04.09 | Vintik | wols, yep thanks i got it |
| 10:04.09 | wols | written when pentium with 32MB were the norm basically |
| 10:04.11 | valdyn | Vintik: that's nonsense, swap is good to have, how much you can actually use without your machine becoming unusably slow depends on your workload |
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| 10:04.45 | Vintik | yep thanks |
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| 10:05.34 | wols | moshii: there might, but I'm a bit unclear about it, a problem with I/O transfers to RAM >4GB on intel due to th AGTL+ bus Intel uses, dunno if that only applied to P4 or core2's too |
| 10:06.11 | wols | but that's just a minor thing and a kernel's and driver's job anyways. nothing an app needs to care about |
| 10:06.46 | moshii | wols: I was just trying to find the white paper I read about it.. |
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| 10:08.14 | ada | hi * |
| 10:08.34 | ada | does someone running deb on a powerbook g4 (12") ? |
| 10:08.45 | olspookishmagus | hello (and goodmorning) I tried to run gnome-terminal on a Debian Testing and here's what I've got: http://pastebin.ca/728750 ... any ideas? |
| 10:08.46 | wols | ada: ask a real question |
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| 10:08.51 | wols | also, possibly: #debian-ppc |
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| 10:09.30 | bolt | ada: yeah. someone probably does. |
| 10:09.46 | wols | olspookishmagus: run fsck on your disk |
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| 10:10.02 | no_name | hi all..i have a problem with my debian instable. i have 2 packet (gimp-data, acpid) that i can't neither remove nor reinstall. dpkg returns error code (1). anyone can help me? |
| 10:10.16 | wols | !tell no_name about bat |
| 10:10.32 | L0cKn | no_name: ask |
| 10:10.34 | L0cKn | :-> |
| 10:11.05 | ada | wols: it was a real question...searching someone with same box to echange tips, on cpu and power management, audio (wich don't work for me) and other stuff |
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| 10:11.38 | wols | ada: learn to not ask metaquestions like yours |
| 10:11.52 | moshii | ada: there is probably a wiki page somewhere that answers all your questions.. |
| 10:11.58 | wols | and it was not a real question. last but not least I told you where you have a higher chance of getting help already |
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| 10:12.51 | no_name | L0cKn: i would like to remove this packages or reinstall, but it seems not to work |
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| 10:13.01 | wols | !tell no_name about doesn't work |
| 10:13.10 | ada | moshii: this is not a real answer |
| 10:13.17 | wols | no_name: how about starting to follow what dpkg told you? |
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| 10:13.42 | wols | ada: you don't ask real questions either so I guess you're even |
| 10:13.56 | no_name | wols: generated cache was invalid. error processing gimp-data |
| 10:13.59 | cahoot | ada: tried tuxmobil.org already? |
| 10:13.59 | olspookishmagus | wols: how can I instruct fsck to run uppon the next reboot? |
| 10:14.08 | wols | no_name: that's NOT what dpkg told you to do |
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| 10:14.57 | wols | olspookishmagus: touch /forcefsck then reboot |
| 10:15.27 | ada | cahoot: found some informations related to DMA sound, copy the same alsa-driver but..nothing... |
| 10:15.51 | olspookishmagus | wols ok thanks |
| 10:16.03 | moshii | ada: I was trying to hint that if you put "debian powerbook g4" in el googleo you'll probably find what you're looking for |
| 10:16.05 | no_name | wols: that's the output after a apt-get upgrade http://rafb.net/p/rSBUD352.html |
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| 10:16.32 | ada | thanks for help, i'll go back to google... |
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| 10:17.42 | wols | !btssmite no_name |
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| 10:20.44 | torrr | hi |
| 10:21.06 | torrr | How do I prevent a screen number from being used? |
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| 10:21.11 | slash|crisis | hey everyone. can somebody tell me the name of the package that includes the mysql header files? i installed it about 100 times but i just cant remember the name... |
| 10:21.14 | torrr | like 1009 |
| 10:21.15 | torrr | ? |
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| 10:22.13 | Agrajag- | torrr: give the session a name with :sessionname |
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| 10:22.55 | Agrajag- | torrr: (or use -S when starting screen) |
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| 10:23.49 | torrr | Agrajag-, I don't have an option for screen choice, I need a place where used screens are listed and to put that number as used there |
| 10:24.03 | torrr | Agrajag-, so it wouldn't get reused |
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| 10:24.15 | torrr | Agrajag-, I just forgot what that place was |
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| 10:24.32 | torrr | Agrajag-, and perhaps it is freeNx specific, I am not sure |
| 10:24.56 | Agrajag- | torrr: err it wouldn't get reused, those are pid numbers |
| 10:24.58 | geo-rge | slash|crisis: usually header files which are placed into a package are part of a library the thing in the package links to... with the idea that you're DEVeloping something that will link to the same library (perhaps among others) |
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| 10:25.41 | geo-rge | yew with me sew far? |
| 10:25.55 | Agrajag- | torrr: but perhaps you're after /var/run/screen/S-username/ or sumsuch |
| 10:25.56 | slash|crisis | geo-rge: thank you! it was libmysql++-dev - the name seems to have changed in etch |
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| 10:26.19 | geo-rge | ahh... so this is a class lib? |
| 10:26.40 | olspookishmagus | wols: did an fsck... it completed and still gnome-terminal won't start |
| 10:27.01 | slash|crisis | geo-rge: jepp |
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| 10:27.15 | geo-rge | slash|crisis: one final comment... you might check out postgres for your next project. |
| 10:27.33 | wols | olspookishmagus: of course it won't. somehow some file on your disk, possibly a libary, got mingled with your dpkg status file. a fsck won't restore the proper libary |
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| 10:27.51 | wols | olspookishmagus: did the outout of starting gnome terminal change? |
| 10:27.58 | slash|crisis | geo-rge: hehe i know :) i'm developing a web project that will have a huge load. just migrating from mysql to prostgresql :) |
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| 10:28.01 | olspookishmagus | let me check that |
| 10:28.28 | wols | olspookishmagus: and, what did fsck output when it ran? any errors fixed? |
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| 10:29.10 | olspookishmagus | wols: fsck did not fix any errors and the output of starting gnome-terminal did not change |
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| 10:29.31 | geo-rge | slash|crisis: in that case you're not going to want to use cgi (should your web server machine(s) fork a million times a day?) |
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| 10:29.36 | wols | olspookishmagus: ldd gnome-temrinal and reinstall those libraries |
| 10:29.47 | wols | mainly the gnome ones of course, not things like libc |
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| 10:29.48 | olspookishmagus | wols: I fear it might e related to this -> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg35448.html |
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| 10:30.38 | geo-rge | and somewhat similarly, you're going to want db connection pooling (because your database, no matter what it is, probably doesn't like being opened and closed a million times a day) |
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| 10:31.03 | wols | olspookishmagus: no it's not. very different error message |
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| 10:32.21 | olspookishmagus | wols: I did a reinstall on the gnome-terminal package itself and it got fixed thanks a lot =) |
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| 10:35.38 | torrr | Agrajag-, I don't have /var/run/screen |
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| 10:36.23 | torrr | Agrajag-, anyway I looked at the sh script that run my app and found what it looks for is in /tmp, but it would be iteresting to find out which progy use 1009 |
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| 10:47.40 | CharminTheMoose | what's the size of a debootstrapped debian etch install? |
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| 10:48.19 | geo-rge | umm :) I guess that depends on the combined sizes of the packages involved :) |
| 10:48.46 | geo-rge | a debootstraped install is just the base right? |
| 10:49.23 | azeem | in general, yes |
| 10:49.51 | geo-rge | I'm going to make a guess of 250-500 mb |
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| 10:51.25 | gynterkk | does "newusers" use test:x:1004:1000:fullname,roomnumber,workphone,homephone,other:/home/test:/bin/bash for line input ? |
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| 10:52.19 | geo-rge | I thought newusers was deprecated years ago... but when I used it I thought I put the passwd where the x is |
| 10:52.36 | gynterkk | whats the alternative to newusers? |
| 10:52.41 | gynterkk | bash script ? |
| 10:52.45 | wols | adduser |
| 10:52.46 | azeem | adduser |
| 10:52.51 | gynterkk | i need to add 5000 users |
| 10:52.51 | geo-rge | no, |
| 10:52.54 | geo-rge | useradd |
| 10:52.59 | azeem | geo-rge: eh, no |
| 10:53.09 | geo-rge | adduser in a script is going to be a problem |
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| 10:53.21 | JeremyK | useradd, indeed. |
| 10:53.24 | geo-rge | but newusers is better than both |
| 10:53.30 | gynterkk | :P |
| 10:53.40 | gynterkk | but input line is correct ? |
| 10:53.45 | gynterkk | i mean that fullname etc part |
| 10:53.51 | geo-rge | well you put the passwd where the x is |
| 10:53.56 | gynterkk | yes |
| 10:54.06 | geo-rge | and probably you have to create the groups first |
| 10:54.13 | gynterkk | done that :P |
| 10:54.17 | _MrSeb_ | hi, someone has compiled ztdummy module for asterisk with module-assistant without error? |
| 10:54.21 | gynterkk | ok, thanks |
| 10:54.30 | azeem | if it's 5000 users, it makes sense to use a directory service like LDAP, rather |
| 10:54.32 | geo-rge | give it a shot with one line of input |
| 10:54.37 | wols | !anyone has compiled ztdummy module for asterisk |
| 10:54.53 | azeem | _MrSeb_: tell us about your errors, rather |
| 10:55.01 | geo-rge | I never got to the ldap thing, but that could be better |
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| 10:56.46 | _MrSeb_ | azeem: ok, I retry and paste only error line |
| 10:57.27 | geo-rge | if you can form the encrypted passwd, you can also try useradd in the script, however you're going to find that whether you use useradd or adduser it's going to be VERY slow compared to newusers |
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| 10:57.41 | asperon | hi guys, from time to time when i boot my system decides to index the disks on my sata controller as sda-sdd and then ones on my MB as sde-sdf, when it should be the other way around, this means that the boot fails. Can i somehow force the pci controller to always get sdc-sdf? |
| 10:57.48 | geo-rge | final comment for now, newusers has a man page... |
| 10:58.57 | _MrSeb_ | azeem: I get this error during module-assistant build in step one, but after configure that work corretly (I've installed only kernel-headers): "include/asm/processor.h:87: error: array type has incomplete element type" |
| 10:58.58 | azeem | _MrSeb_: use a pastebin |
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| 11:00.14 | asperon | anybody? |
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| 11:00.26 | Quibus | Hi all |
| 11:00.26 | wols | asperon: generally module load order determines it |
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| 11:00.32 | wols | asperon: debian kernel? |
| 11:00.45 | Quibus | Suddeny gthumb refuses to work here: An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'): Could not claim interface 0 (Bad file descriptor). Make sure no other program or kernel module (such as sdc2xx, stv680, spca50x) is using the device and you have read/write access to the device. |
| 11:00.51 | Quibus | Any idea how that could have happened? |
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| 11:01.21 | asperon | wols: its the latest lenny |
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| 11:01.44 | wols | with a custom kernel you could easily compile the PCI one in and load the mobo one via module, that should ensure that the PCI one is sda |
| 11:02.00 | asperon | i want it the other way around |
| 11:02.01 | wols | but why can't you just change you menu.lst or fstab? would work too |
| 11:02.14 | asperon | thing is, its not consistent?! |
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| 11:02.18 | wols | then do it the other way :) |
| 11:02.24 | wols | ah! fucking udev I guess |
| 11:02.31 | asperon | probably |
| 11:02.39 | wols | quick and dirty: compile in the one you want first, load as module the other |
| 11:02.49 | asperon | ok, ill try that |
| 11:03.13 | geo-rge | there's no way with udev to set or predict the module load order? |
| 11:03.14 | asperon | you cant tell the system i which order to load the modules? |
| 11:03.20 | geo-rge | that's freaking useless |
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| 11:04.30 | geo-rge | I'm guessing the udev developers didn't have enough sysad experience to understand the problems they were solv ^W causing |
| 11:04.57 | azeem | !udev |
| 11:04.57 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25> |
| 11:05.01 | azeem | !z25 |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 11:05.12 | azeem | hrm, that was only ethernet apparently |
| 11:05.22 | geo-rge | dpkg... we'll miss ye |
| 11:05.30 | geo-rge | oh, back already? |
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| 11:05.51 | geo-rge | oic, that was your daily lunchbreak |
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| 11:09.26 | valdyn | asperon: you're not supposed to reference disks by they sdX device node on modern linux systems |
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| 11:09.41 | geo-rge | how do you do it then? |
| 11:09.44 | valdyn | asperon: doing so and/or trying to get sdX statically assigned is a hack at best |
| 11:10.03 | valdyn | geo-rge: via LABEL= or lvm or md raids or uuid |
| 11:10.28 | cahoot | so the udev devs *had* thought about the problem? |
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| 11:11.12 | valdyn | the primary thing is that linus torvalds decided that device nameing is not supposed to be static and no one should rely on that |
| 11:11.13 | geo-rge | let's see, uuid I've heard of, lvm I've used, never used software raid, what's LABEL=? |
| 11:11.42 | valdyn | geo-rge: 'man e2label' |
| 11:12.02 | geo-rge | oh, on ext2s and ext3s only, I would assume? |
| 11:12.06 | valdyn | geo-rge: md and lvm just scan all disks for their signatures to collect the raid or vg or whatever |
| 11:12.11 | geo-rge | what about swap? |
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| 11:12.32 | valdyn | geo-rge: i dont know much about that LABEL= thing, never used it |
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| 11:12.44 | geo-rge | md and lvm have that part wired, what about uuid? |
| 11:13.39 | valdyn | geo-rge: look at /dev/disk/by-uuid/ if that exists on your system, or /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 11:13.58 | vorpal | geo-rge, some things can use a filesystem label. kboot is one thing that does |
| 11:13.58 | valdyn | geo-rge: disks have an id that is printed on them physically too btw, which is kinds neat |
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| 11:14.24 | geo-rge | orie:/dev/disk# ls (\n) by-id by-path by-uuid |
| 11:15.26 | valdyn | geo-rge: however debian hasn't solved this mess cleanly yet afaik |
| 11:15.33 | valdyn | geo-rge: no idea about other distros |
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| 11:15.54 | geo-rge | so does the uuid identify the entire physical disk? |
| 11:16.07 | valdyn | geo-rge: iirc yea, that's just for physical disks |
| 11:16.21 | valdyn | geo-rge: by-id is for disks and partitions |
| 11:17.22 | asperon | i did the ignorant way, i booted until it index it the way i wanted and now i am leaving it alone =) |
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| 11:17.43 | valdyn | geo-rge: unfortunately the driver type still matters for pata / sata disks but that's going to be clear once there's only libata |
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| 11:18.34 | asperon | valdyn: but if they aren't static, how is the system supposed to find the system disk? |
| 11:18.42 | geo-rge | is that aspect backportable? |
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| 11:19.17 | valdyn | geo-rge: its a matter of fstab and your boot manager, so primarly the installers responsibility to set up correctly from the start |
| 11:19.31 | valdyn | asperon: /dev/disk/by-id etc |
| 11:21.47 | valdyn | windows installer solves this cleanly on my system with >2 disk controllers, it just refuses to proceed and locks up ;) |
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| 11:22.44 | geo-rge | so microsoft says "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I KANT DU IT! (but I'm ahead of you, I got your money!)" |
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| 11:25.40 | hellop | I need some help figureing out how debian deals with its versions |
| 11:26.07 | hellop | When do they Change unstable to testing to stable? |
| 11:26.07 | chronographer | Hello. I am setting up a ftp server, and I can use it using my local ip address, I should be able to test it with my internet ip address though right? |
| 11:26.46 | azeem | hellop: unstable->testing happens twice a day, for valid candidates |
| 11:26.50 | hellop | And, when they do this, how can I prevent all my sources from changing, i.e., how can I point my sources back to the old packages> |
| 11:26.58 | azeem | hellop: testing->stable happens on release, i.e. roughly every 1.5-2 years |
| 11:26.58 | geo-rge | unstable leaks into testing. testing becomes stable after enough, um, testing :) |
| 11:27.01 | valdyn | hellop: unstable is always unstable, individual packages migrate to testing. Testing however gets 'locked up' towards the end of a release cycle and becomes a new stable |
| 11:27.02 | asperon | valdyn: ok, so i can somehow tell fstab that the system is on the disc via /dev/disk/by-id? |
| 11:27.03 | egth | chronographer, not locally. |
| 11:27.08 | dos000 | anyone can suggest the best supported motherboard for raid1 sata controllers in debian etch ? |
| 11:27.19 | chronographer | damn. so i will have to try it from uni? |
| 11:27.38 | valdyn | asperon: sure, you can use /dev/disk/by-id/whatever where you before used /dev/sda1 |
| 11:27.42 | hellop | ok great, that explains it pefectly |
| 11:27.45 | egth | chronographer, check your ftpd config and make sure it´s using the same port that you opened for your ftpd |
| 11:27.57 | egth | if so, it should work properly for others |
| 11:28.12 | geo-rge | if you use the names of the dist, you will stick to it (for example if you put "etch" instad of "stable" in appropriate places in your sources.list) |
| 11:28.15 | dos000 | even personal experience with sata raid controllers is good |
| 11:28.17 | valdyn | asperon: all up to your needs. For some people surely /dev/disk/by-path/ is more suited |
| 11:28.18 | asperon | ie, replace /dev/sda1 / ext3 with /dev/disk/by-id/mysystemdisk? |
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| 11:28.47 | valdyn | asperon: except that sda1 is not a disk but a partition, yes |
| 11:28.52 | geo-rge | if you put "stable" there, then you're going to upgrade a lot of stuff when debian decides testing becomes stable |
| 11:28.54 | chronographer | yeah it is. I followed a guide and use 1980, i got port forwarding on the router set up, if I want to set a rule in firestarter, do I use my internet ip or the origin ip? |
| 11:29.02 | hellop | Another question, if I upgrade something via "aptitude install" which might upgrade a bunch of stuff.. can I reverse this proceedure? |
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| 11:29.15 | geo-rge | generally =no= |
| 11:29.16 | valdyn | hellop: no |
| 11:29.31 | asperon | valdyn: so say, if using the by-path, id use pci-0000:00:0e.0-scsi-0:0:0:0-part1 to get the first part on the first sata controller? |
| 11:29.34 | valdyn | hellop: or more verbose: its technically possible, its not well supported |
| 11:29.35 | geo-rge | unless you -back up- your installation. |
| 11:29.43 | wols | hellop: not easily. |
| 11:29.48 | wols | !wayttd hellop |
| 11:29.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hellop? |
| 11:29.58 | geo-rge | it's not well supported on purpose too. |
| 11:30.04 | egth | chronographer, I have no knowledge of firestarter, but it presume that it should be your outside addr |
| 11:30.19 | hellop | dpkg, , upgrade spamassassin.. but would like it to be reversable |
| 11:30.21 | valdyn | asperon: not first sata controller, but sata controller located on that pci slot |
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| 11:30.23 | hellop | in case of a problem |
| 11:30.38 | asperon | valdyn: since its the MB that should solve what i want |
| 11:30.45 | hellop | wols ^^ |
| 11:30.45 | wols | hellop: dpkg is a bot |
| 11:30.53 | chronographer | yeah. just when i tried connecting from local computer, using my internet ip address, it popped up in the firewall as my internet ip address, not my local ip address.. if you can follow that! |
| 11:30.53 | geo-rge | hellop: remove and reinstall would be one way |
| 11:31.03 | geo-rge | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 11:31.05 | wols | hellop: just don't mix different debian branches |
| 11:31.16 | valdyn | asperon: that way you could change the disks, by-id looks up specific disks. |
| 11:31.18 | wols | and for SA and similar on stable there should be volatile.debian.org |
| 11:31.21 | wols | !volatile |
| 11:31.21 | dpkg | from memory, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/ |
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| 11:31.27 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 11:31.27 | asperon | valdyn: ok, ill change that then, thnx |
| 11:31.33 | egth | chronographer, if you type in your outside addr locally, you should typically get a web interface of your router |
| 11:31.42 | hellop | geo-rge, but if a release has occured, how do I reinstall to the previous stuff, if I was on stable to begin with? |
| 11:32.00 | hellop | Have to find the previous distro sources somehow... |
| 11:32.08 | wols | valdyn: if modern distros should use device by UUID, why doesn't etch do it? |
| 11:32.13 | chronographer | oh yeah, sort of, but i mean my ip as provided my my ISP, not my routers ip, or gateway address |
| 11:32.14 | wols | a least I never saw it using it |
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| 11:32.17 | valdyn | hellop: you _should_ always look up stable by its codename |
| 11:32.27 | geo-rge | that's what I'm telling you, if you don't want to upgrade when debian decides, then you must not use "stable" |
| 11:32.29 | valdyn | wols: i think uuid only looks up disks, not partitions, so by-id is better |
| 11:32.34 | geo-rge | instead |
| 11:32.35 | chronographer | nvm I will try to conect from Uni and see how I go. Hope it works! |
| 11:32.38 | geo-rge | use "etch" |
| 11:32.39 | Nazcafan | I need to make a windows-98-dos boot CD in order to flash my dvdplayer |
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| 11:32.49 | valdyn | wols: they suck ;) |
| 11:32.50 | Nazcafan | How should I proced |
| 11:32.51 | wols | valdyn: whatever. all I ever saw the debian installer use is sda and friends. |
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| 11:33.04 | hellop | Ok, well I changed my sources to a previous ver, and now I'm not being asked to install 30 packages to update spamassassin. Thanks for the help. |
| 11:33.13 | chronographer | Nazcafan: Isn't there a package dedicated to dvdplayer settingups? |
| 11:33.28 | chronographer | do you need to set the region? |
| 11:33.34 | geo-rge | hellop: what vers? |
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| 11:33.47 | hellop | valdyn, to... prevent mixups like this? So, just replace "stable" with "sarge" in all sources.list lines? |
| 11:33.53 | hellop | geo-rge, sarge 3.1 |
| 11:33.56 | wols | chronographer: the dvd drive should have a region "built in" sorta |
| 11:33.57 | valdyn | wols: i don't know, i think debian installer should use labels |
| 11:34.08 | valdyn | hellop: yes |
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| 11:34.17 | Nazcafan | chronographer: I need to put a region-resetter firmware |
| 11:34.21 | geo-rge | right, do that, then you decide, and you can back up your installation before you actually do it |
| 11:34.25 | chronographer | yeah but the first time you play a dvd in a dvdDrive, it gets you to set the region. Mine did once anyway |
| 11:34.26 | wols | hellop: yes. and be careful if you already upgraded stuff to etch. dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 what does this say? |
| 11:34.45 | wols | chronographer: yes |
| 11:34.46 | Nazcafan | chronographer: and the program only works on real DOS mode |
| 11:35.01 | valdyn | chronographer: how does that matter for linux at all? |
| 11:35.03 | chronographer | It gives you an important warning too, something like: 'are you sure you want to change the region you can only do this 2 times' |
| 11:35.08 | Nazcafan | chronographer: mine accepts up to 5 region changes |
| 11:35.11 | geo-rge | hellop: don't forget to apt-get update after changing sources.list |
| 11:35.39 | chronographer | I think there is a region setting package. |
| 11:35.44 | hellop | wols: 2.6.1-1+b1 |
| 11:35.53 | Nazcafan | chronographer: how does it work ? |
| 11:35.53 | valdyn | chronographer: that's totally irrelevant for linux |
| 11:36.03 | wols | hellop: that is not sarge or etch. that is lenny or sid! |
| 11:36.03 | chronographer | I don't know |
| 11:36.15 | valdyn | chronographer: unless you have somehow gotten your hands on a licensed dvd player |
| 11:36.25 | chronographer | all dvd's have a region, surely? does dvdcss2 ignore regions? |
| 11:36.28 | wols | valdyn: they exist. not in dbeian of course obviously |
| 11:36.36 | valdyn | chronographer: mplayer et al. do the decoding outside the dvd drive |
| 11:36.36 | wols | chronographer: of course it does |
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| 11:36.48 | chronographer | the package is called 'regionset' I never used it though |
| 11:36.50 | geo-rge | btw, if you're caring a lot right now about problems that can be caused by upgrading, possible bugs and things like overwear and tear on disks, you might find yourself wanting to decide to back up much sooner, like today or this week |
| 11:36.53 | chronographer | =) |
| 11:37.05 | chronographer | why change the region then Naz |
| 11:37.25 | Nazcafan | chronographer: I live in region 2 and I recenlty bought region 1 DVD |
| 11:37.38 | hellop | wols, I think that is because of the sarge/stable keyword issue, I have testing in there for some reason... |
| 11:37.46 | Nazcafan | I don't want to be locked either on region 1 or 2 |
| 11:37.48 | chris_ | hello, how can i find the build log or spec file, that would tell me how openoffice.org (python-uno) was build for stable? |
| 11:38.04 | chris_ | hello, how can i find the build log or spec file, that would tell me how openoffice.org (python-uno) was build for debian etch? |
| 11:38.05 | chronographer | I see. |
| 11:38.05 | wols | hellop: and you already upgraded to it. good luck |
| 11:38.07 | valdyn | Nazcafan: its _irrelevant_ on linux/debian |
| 11:38.15 | hellop | wols, not my distro |
| 11:38.25 | wols | chronographer: in the openoffice source package inside /debian/ there |
| 11:38.40 | Nazcafan | valdyn: are you sure that linux bypasses the firmware zoning ? |
| 11:38.42 | hellop | ok, so hmm.. I should probably do a dist upgrade |
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| 11:38.55 | chris_ | wols: ok thanks |
| 11:38.55 | hellop | wols, thanks for the info |
| 11:38.57 | valdyn | Nazcafan: yes |
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| 11:39.16 | Nazcafan | valdyn: 101% sure ? |
| 11:39.17 | valdyn | Nazcafan: that's why you have to get dvd playback stuff from _outside_ of debian, see |
| 11:39.22 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 11:39.22 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 11:39.29 | chronographer | ?try it now NAz |
| 11:39.29 | wols | Nazcafan: as long as you use decss to decrypt: always |
| 11:39.39 | Nazcafan | wols: I use libvd CSS |
| 11:39.41 | valdyn | Nazcafan: i charge money for 101% sures ;) |
| 11:39.43 | wols | valdyn: not only because of that |
| 11:39.49 | wols | Nazcafan: yes, decss |
| 11:40.04 | Nazcafan | wols decss==libdvdcss ? |
| 11:40.08 | wols | yes |
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| 11:40.18 | wols | libdvdcss is an implementation of decss |
| 11:40.46 | Dave2 | libdvdcss is more than decss, isn't it? |
| 11:41.08 | wols | it's based on decss, ancestry wise |
| 11:41.11 | Dave2 | DeCSS used a static key, IIRC |
| 11:41.14 | wols | but of course it's been improved over time |
| 11:41.16 | wols | yes |
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| 11:41.38 | Nazcafan | wols: libdvdcss is not to be confused with DeCSS. While DeCSS uses a cracked DVD player key to perform authentication, libdvdcss uses a generated list of possible player keys. If none of them work (for instance, when the DVD drive enforces region coding) a brute force algorithm is tried so the region code of a DVD is ignored. Unlike DeCSS, libdvdcss has never been fought over in a courtroom, in part because Section 1201(f) of the Digi |
| 11:41.39 | Nazcafan | tal Millennium Copyright Act authorizes such circumvention for purposes of software interoperability. |
| 11:41.48 | Nazcafan | (wikipedia en) |
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| 11:42.09 | chronographer | heh. nice one Naz |
| 11:42.26 | chronographer | so... you don't need a win98 live boot disk now? |
| 11:42.33 | Nazcafan | chronographer: I am not sure |
| 11:42.51 | Nazcafan | chronographer: but you are quite assertive |
| 11:43.14 | chronographer | =) sorry. could you do it in a virtual machine? |
| 11:43.36 | geo-rge | could you do it on a screen? |
| 11:43.44 | spq | i want to use quotas on my nfs server, does anyone know a good howto or something similar? |
| 11:43.47 | Nazcafan | chronographer: I don't have a clue |
| 11:44.06 | geo-rge | will you want to with a goat? when that goat been eating oats? |
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| 11:44.34 | chronographer | will he want to on a table? on that table will he be able? |
| 11:44.59 | vorpal | i prefer the tweedle beetle battle in a bottle on a noodle-eating poodle |
| 11:45.06 | geo-rge | spq: you could try just using quotas on the same machine that you're exporting from |
| 11:45.51 | geo-rge | I don't like virtual machine...I also don't like neopreene? |
| 11:45.57 | chronographer | lol |
| 11:46.19 | vorpal | dr.seuss baby! :-) |
| 11:46.32 | hellop | should I dist upgrade from X? |
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| 11:46.35 | Nazcafan | chronographer: you seem to be right |
| 11:46.36 | geo-rge | fox in winsox was cool :) |
| 11:46.40 | Nazcafan | craig: Of course, you can simply do nothing, and rely on the built-in ability of Linux software to bypass the region restrictions. Note that even in this case you should use the regionset program to set the drive to the region that you will be using the most, because an RPC-II drive without a region setting behaves as if all the regions are locked out. |
| 11:46.45 | Nazcafan | err |
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| 11:46.50 | Nazcafan | that was for chronographer |
| 11:47.13 | Shifty | hey all... where ist in my home dir no .ssh folder?!? |
| 11:47.26 | azeem | Shifty: what do you mean? |
| 11:47.29 | Shifty | sry |
| 11:47.31 | Shifty | wrong word |
| 11:47.36 | Shifty | where = why |
| 11:47.45 | Shifty | ist = is ^ |
| 11:47.45 | azeem | Shifty: because you did not create one |
| 11:47.46 | Shifty | omg |
| 11:47.54 | hellop | I'm gonna try upgrading X while its running.. |
| 11:48.05 | azeem | Shifty: why do you need one? |
| 11:48.10 | chronographer | there you go, so you don't want to go unsetting regions on your dvd drive! |
| 11:48.19 | Nazcafan | valdyn: chronographer: so it seems that I can just try to play that DVD thanks for the enlightment. Sorry I didn't believe you in the first place, but I tend to deny nothing but doubt everything |
| 11:48.34 | Shifty | azeem: in a tut it means cd /home/user/.sshd/ |
| 11:48.40 | Shifty | and then ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 11:48.42 | azeem | .sshd or .ssh? |
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| 11:48.51 | Shifty | sshd |
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| 11:49.14 | Nazcafan | gosh, there is some protection on the DVD. I can not play it |
| 11:49.25 | Nazcafan | Actually I can't get it out of the box |
| 11:49.32 | et | that is probably a typo. |
| 11:49.41 | azeem | Shifty: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:49.50 | chronographer | np. but it was wols i think who said you could play any region, I would have led you to the region changing package! Skepticism is the best ism too! |
| 11:49.50 | Nazcafan | What is wrong with dvd boxes in the US ? |
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| 11:49.56 | vorpal | Nazcafan, did you "zone" the player? |
| 11:50.09 | Nazcafan | vorpal: no the DVD is still in its box |
| 11:50.37 | abrotman | there's nothing wrong with DVD boxes in the US .. it's DVDs in general |
| 11:50.39 | vorpal | Nazcafan, well then take the dvd out of the box, and put it in the player |
| 11:50.40 | Nazcafan | vorpal: but I can not get it out of the box, and I am afraid to damage it if I force |
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| 11:50.56 | azeem | Shifty: anyway, ssh-keygen uses .ssh/ as default location and will create the directory for you |
| 11:51.02 | vorpal | Nazcafan, where did you get the box? |
| 11:51.07 | Nazcafan | amazon |
| 11:51.22 | Nazcafan | ok I managed to take |
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| 11:51.24 | Nazcafan | it |
| 11:51.41 | chronographer | ooooh. the tension is unbearable... |
| 11:51.49 | vorpal | Nazcafan, OK. some video stores use locking mechanisms on the case, so that people can't walk out with the discs |
| 11:52.34 | Nazcafan | vorpal: here you usually press the box at the center of the DVD to release it from the box |
| 11:52.47 | Nazcafan | vorpal: for this one, you need to pinch it with both hands |
| 11:52.52 | Nazcafan | took me like two minuts |
| 11:52.54 | Nazcafan | minutes |
| 11:53.01 | vorpal | Nazcafan, hehe |
| 11:54.06 | Nazcafan | vorpal: doesn't work |
| 11:54.09 | Nazcafan | :-( |
| 11:54.12 | Nazcafan | vlc won't play it |
| 11:54.18 | Nazcafan | will try mplayer |
| 11:54.48 | vorpal | Nazcafan, what is on the disc? |
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| 11:55.26 | Nazcafan | vorpal: clerks: the animated series |
| 11:55.34 | vorpal | oh geez |
| 11:55.47 | chronographer | lol |
| 11:55.48 | Nazcafan | vorpal: oh dvd seems to work when launched from the command line |
| 11:55.54 | Nazcafan | what is wrong ? |
| 11:55.55 | chronographer | you have dvdcss istalled? |
| 11:56.00 | Nazcafan | chronographer: sure |
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| 11:56.23 | Nazcafan | otherwise, I would not be abble to read even zone 2 dvd's |
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| 11:56.31 | chronographer | =) |
| 11:56.33 | Nazcafan | vorpal: don't you like clerks ? |
| 11:56.42 | chronographer | you tried it in a dvd player? maybe it broken |
| 11:57.26 | gryfie | hiho .... how can I make a isoimage of a mixed-mode cd (data and audio) with gnomebaker? Or do I need the comandline ? |
| 11:57.37 | Nazcafan | chronographer: it works |
| 11:57.48 | Nazcafan | chronographer, vorpal, thanks for your help |
| 11:58.03 | Nazcafan | no I can just relax and watch this amazing series !! |
| 11:58.11 | valdyn | gryfie: an iso contains just data, its no iso otherwise |
| 11:58.24 | valdyn | gryfie: what you can generate is a bin/cue set |
| 11:58.31 | hellop | Flower died on Meerkat Manor. I cried. |
| 11:58.47 | abrotman | Nazcafan: amazing ? |
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| 11:59.20 | Nazcafan | abrotman: well I'll tell you when I have finished them, actually |
| 11:59.31 | Nazcafan | abrotman: but I am a big fan of the first clerks movie |
| 11:59.42 | abrotman | Nazcafan: uhm okay |
| 11:59.46 | Nazcafan | abrotman: did you watch them ? |
| 11:59.55 | geo-rge | what's a clerk movie? |
| 11:59.56 | abrotman | i'll be quiet :) |
| 12:00.01 | abrotman | geo-rge: imdb.com |
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| 12:00.56 | geo-rge | maybe the title would be handy for that :P |
| 12:01.31 | Nazcafan | geo-rge: imdb search, clerks, Kevin Smith |
| 12:01.33 | Nazcafan | 1993 |
| 12:01.49 | abrotman | geo-rge: it's literally called "Clerks" |
| 12:01.50 | Nazcafan | geo-rge: there is also 2006 clerks 2 |
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| 12:02.28 | Nazcafan | geo-rge: And I recenlty bought clerks, clerks 2 and clerks animated series from amazon.co.uk and caiman |
| 12:02.30 | Ahmadinejad | How to change default browser? |
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| 12:02.40 | wols | Ahmadinejad: /etc/alternatives/ |
| 12:02.47 | wols | x-www-browser and www-browser |
| 12:02.58 | hellop | Cool, I upgraded X while in X |
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| 12:03.26 | xand | use update-alternatives, don't manually change the symlinks |
| 12:03.28 | Ahmadinejad | which one is the new? |
| 12:03.35 | Ahmadinejad | And dos it have to be root? |
| 12:03.56 | wols | Ahmadinejad: what do you mean "the new"? |
| 12:04.02 | wols | and yes you need to be root to change those |
| 12:04.32 | xand | run update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 12:04.33 | Ahmadinejad | i mean, i want to change epiphany with Iceweasel |
| 12:04.44 | xand | Ahmadinejad: the above command will do what you want. |
| 12:04.51 | Ahmadinejad | Ok, thanks |
| 12:05.04 | Ahmadinejad | xand, that must be root too? right? |
| 12:05.08 | xand | yes |
| 12:05.10 | Ahmadinejad | Ok |
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| 12:07.00 | dbmoodb | hi i have a problem with my debian installations - 1. on one x over ssh doesn't work, (while it does on another), 2. on my new laptop the system bell was not on to start with, now i cannot turn off (it's been blacklisted) - can any one help ? |
| 12:07.32 | Ahmadinejad | I guess it need a restart after i have done that? |
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| 12:09.38 | azi | i'm trying to install this package http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/llvm but apt-get doesn't find it - what could be wrong? |
| 12:10.02 | chronographer | you dont use unstable sources? |
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| 12:10.10 | geo-rge | Ahmadinejad: linux doesn't often need restarting... can you imagine restarting the internet? :) |
| 12:10.26 | DustyBin | are there any experienced psybnc users here? |
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| 12:10.37 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 12:10.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:10.55 | DustyBin | ok, psybnc is running on debian etch, so maybe it can be a debian problem! |
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| 12:11.19 | Ahmadinejad | geo-rge: :) |
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| 12:11.32 | gryfie | ok.... just another questioN: |
| 12:11.33 | Ahmadinejad | Then i might have done something wrong |
| 12:11.56 | geo-rge | just an old fashioned ques-tion... |
| 12:11.59 | gryfie | Why is nonfree available via http or ftp, but not on cds ? |
| 12:12.13 | Crush` | are there any tools (other than devilspie) that will let me put a terminal on the desktop? |
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| 12:12.54 | geo-rge | Crush`: just open a term window |
| 12:12.57 | jelly-home | Crush`: depends on what do you mean by "put on the desktop" |
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| 12:13.20 | chronographer | I like my terminal transparent and wobbly |
| 12:13.26 | gryfie | I guess he mean "on the desktop-background" |
| 12:13.32 | gryfie | instead an image |
| 12:13.40 | chronographer | yeh |
| 12:13.42 | amphi | chronographer: heh |
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| 12:13.59 | DustyBin | i have setup a eggdrop bot on my home server and it has successfully connected to psybnc so i can hide my home server I.P. if i do /QUOTE BWHO it shows this: |
| 12:14.03 | DustyBin | 13:13 <-psyBNC> * DustyBin(DustyBin)@X-X-X-X.dsl.isp.com [:efnet.xs4all.nl] :DustyBin |
| 12:14.04 | Crush` | yes |
| 12:14.06 | DustyBin | 13:13 <-psyBNC> * MyBot(MyBot)@X-X-X-X.dsl.isp.com [:] :MyBot |
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| 12:14.31 | chronographer | :Dustybin |
| 12:14.33 | chronographer | heh! |
| 12:14.34 | DustyBin | how do i get MyBot to connect to the efnet server? ive tried quiting the connections but it doesnt connect |
| 12:14.52 | geo-rge | transparent and wobbly... like a drunk guy trying to pick up some chick in a bar... |
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| 12:15.01 | jelly-home | Crush`: some window managers have their own way to do it. With afterstep, I used its "database" to set up window properties. With XFCE, I use devilspie. |
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| 12:16.04 | SasanRose | hi everyone, i'm compeletly new to linux and debian, i would be grateful if someone could tell me from where i have to start learning? |
| 12:16.17 | chronographer | did you hear about the motherboard with inbuilt linux? sounds cool. 5 sec boot time to 'unbranded' firefox! |
| 12:16.20 | dbmoodb | debian-documentation |
| 12:16.23 | geo-rge | first what do you want to do? |
| 12:16.23 | pngwn | SasanRose, debian.org |
| 12:16.31 | chronographer | this chat room! |
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| 12:16.45 | dbmoodb | oh a tpg user |
| 12:17.00 | pngwn | SasanRose, the install manual and the reference |
| 12:17.19 | pocukrani | i get error when i want to install new amsn, when i run ./configure i get: configure: error: libjpeg is required |
| 12:17.22 | geo-rge | SasanRose: it can be quite overwhelming how much is available... you have to decide what you want first!! |
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| 12:17.33 | pocukrani | and libjpeg is installed |
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| 12:17.50 | Ahmadinejad | Guys |
| 12:17.59 | Ahmadinejad | I have even restarted |
| 12:18.02 | geo-rge | having said that... the first thing I'd do is look at your dir tree |
| 12:18.11 | SasanRose | i like to be master in linux, specialy in network managements |
| 12:18.11 | Ahmadinejad | But my .htm files till open with epiphany |
| 12:18.14 | jelly-home | pocukrani: to build anything, you need appropriate libfoo*-dev packages |
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| 12:18.25 | jelly-home | pocukrani: not just libfoo |
| 12:18.35 | Ahmadinejad | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 12:18.57 | pocukrani | jelly-home, can you tell me which packet i need to install now? |
| 12:19.08 | geo-rge | SasanRose: allllllllllllll righteyyyyyy thennn... wow ;) know this will take longer than a day or week... |
| 12:19.09 | chronographer | pdate-alternatives --config x-www-browser iceweasel ???? |
| 12:19.33 | SasanRose | geo-rge: I know ;) |
| 12:19.48 | Ahmadinejad | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.48 | Ahmadinejad | * 2 /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 12:19.48 | Ahmadinejad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.53 | Ahmadinejad | So it is my default:S |
| 12:20.02 | geo-rge | why exactly have you decided this? |
| 12:20.13 | AKX | pocukrani: You need to install the libjpeg dev package. |
| 12:20.13 | SasanRose | geo-rge: not imortant how much does it take, i just really want to learn |
| 12:20.18 | Ahmadinejad | How come my .htm files dont open with iceweseal |
| 12:20.22 | geo-rge | that's great |
| 12:20.26 | jelly-home | pocukrani: no, figure it out yourself. if you need library foo, use something like apt-cache search libfoo dev |
| 12:20.43 | chronographer | Hey SASAN start here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html |
| 12:20.43 | geo-rge | if there's one thing I like it's a sponge |
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| 12:21.19 | ekim|irc_ | How do I list all installed packages ? |
| 12:21.24 | chronographer | maybe here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html |
| 12:21.41 | jelly-home | !tell ekim|irc_ -about installed |
| 12:21.44 | geo-rge | SasanRose: what brought you to this decision and what have you learned so far? |
| 12:21.54 | Ahmadinejad | And IRC links still open with Epiphany:S |
| 12:22.13 | ekim|irc_ | Dang |
| 12:22.23 | ekim|irc_ | why is it dso hard ?why is there no like dpkg --installed |
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| 12:22.33 | SasanRose | geo-rge: Freedom ;) I learnt just how to do simple things as an ordinary linux user |
| 12:22.38 | pocukrani | tnx jelly-home and AKX |
| 12:22.41 | jelly-home | ekim|irc_: did you get that message from the bot? |
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| 12:22.49 | vort3x | ekim|irc_: dpkg -l |
| 12:22.50 | geo-rge | SasanRose: first, keep doing that |
| 12:22.54 | ekim|irc_ | Ohh... |
| 12:22.56 | ekim|irc_ | the bot says |
| 12:22.56 | ekim|irc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.00 | geo-rge | what kind of simple things? |
| 12:23.00 | ekim|irc_ | Hmm |
| 12:23.02 | stew | Ahmadinejad: go to gnome-control-center and then Preferred Applications |
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| 12:23.05 | ekim|irc_ | I guess it just formats it nicely |
| 12:23.07 | ekim|irc_ | Nevermind |
| 12:23.26 | ekim|irc_ | inst it actually COLUMNS=200 ; dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; |
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| 12:23.34 | jelly-home | ekim|irc_: no, |
| 12:23.36 | SasanRose | geo-rge: Actually i can find anything which i need in this case on the web |
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| 12:23.38 | ekim|irc_ | Ohh |
| 12:23.38 | ekim|irc_ | Right |
| 12:23.42 | ekim|irc_ | Thanks then |
| 12:23.48 | Ahmadinejad | stew: Where is that places? |
| 12:24.02 | stew | Ahmadinejad: in the top section of gnome-control-center |
| 12:24.06 | SasanRose | geo-rge: but the only problem is that i need first to understand linux |
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| 12:24.27 | Ahmadinejad | Ok, but where is the gnome control center places?:D |
| 12:24.38 | SasanRose | geo-rge: i don't know how to say |
| 12:24.38 | Ahmadinejad | Ah |
| 12:24.39 | Ahmadinejad | Sorry |
| 12:24.41 | stew | Ahmadinejad: in the window that comes up when you run "gnome-control-center" |
| 12:24.42 | Ahmadinejad | I found it strw |
| 12:25.04 | geo-rge | it's ok, if you can give me an example of something you did, maybe two |
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| 12:25.35 | SasanRose | chronoghrapher: tnx for ur link, it is actually about everything |
| 12:25.38 | Ahmadinejad | stew: THANKS:D |
| 12:25.48 | Ahmadinejad | I should have known that for 9 months ago:D |
| 12:25.57 | Ahmadinejad | Since I started using Debian |
| 12:26.01 | geo-rge | for networking in the ip area, you need to understand bitwise operations |
| 12:26.02 | chronographer | yep its the single list of howtos |
| 12:26.17 | dimsuz | hi, guys! what is the right way to remove old kernels from /boot and grub menu? any tool for that? or /dev/hands? :) |
| 12:26.34 | stew | dimsuz: ho did you install them? |
| 12:26.55 | dimsuz | stew: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.x-686 :) |
| 12:27.08 | stew | dimsuz: then aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.x-686 |
| 12:27.11 | chronographer | I started the whole debian linux thing 21 year ago, its great. games suck but the machine runs nice! Pity I find myself wanting bleeding edge all the time and I break my nice stable systems (cut myself) |
| 12:27.25 | dimsuz | stew: man, i should've guessed myself :D |
| 12:27.25 | geo-rge | some ways of doing that are: learning C, learning forth, some others |
| 12:27.28 | stew | chronographer: linux didn't exist 21 years ago |
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| 12:27.36 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 12:27.48 | chronographer | erm... 1 year |
| 12:27.54 | chronographer | I meants |
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| 12:27.56 | geo-rge | linux was born a complete baby in 1991 |
| 12:28.05 | abrotman | feature complete ? |
| 12:28.12 | geo-rge | not a chance :) |
| 12:28.14 | chronographer | didn't mean to sound like a sagely wiseguy or anything |
| 12:28.17 | SasanRose | geo-rge: forth? i have some background in programming. specially in web programming. PHP, javascript |
| 12:28.20 | Ahmadinejad | stew: But thats only IRC links which now start with Iceweasel, but still no .htm files start using Iceweasel |
| 12:28.28 | dbmoodb | linux is a KERNEL |
| 12:28.29 | Ahmadinejad | I'll restart and see wether that helps |
| 12:28.30 | dbmoodb | !linux |
| 12:28.30 | dpkg | i heard linux is closed |
| 12:28.46 | chronographer | !debian |
| 12:28.46 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:28.50 | dimsuz | and what's the current state of fglrx in lenny? is it working? |
| 12:28.52 | ekim|irc_ | Ok |
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| 12:29.03 | ekim|irc_ | How can I list all installed packages except those that begin with osso- |
| 12:29.06 | Eulex | dimsuz, yes. |
| 12:29.08 | geo-rge | so if I put lots of linuxes in a pot with some oil, I get popcorn? |
| 12:29.24 | ekim|irc_ | no... you get burnt linux |
| 12:29.24 | Eulex | ekim|irc_, dpkg -l and some grep-fu |
| 12:29.27 | dimsuz | Eulex: any intructions to install it? simple aptitude install? or with m-a? |
| 12:29.35 | ekim|irc_ | I was hoping to be profided with said grep-fu |
| 12:29.40 | Eulex | !fglrx oneliner |
| 12:29.40 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 12:30.08 | dimsuz | Eulex: thanks :) |
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| 12:30.10 | SasanRose | so i think i have to work on debian.org and single how tos |
| 12:30.15 | ekim|irc_ | !grep-fu |
| 12:30.18 | ekim|irc_ | :( |
| 12:30.22 | geo-rge | SasanRose: the reason I suggest those two languages is they have specific sized integer types that lend themselves well to play with bitwise operators |
| 12:30.25 | ekim|irc_ | no grep-fu for ekim ? |
| 12:30.36 | Eulex | ekim|irc_, -v aka --invert-match will be very useful for this. |
| 12:30.41 | geo-rge | C if you want to compile alot... forth, if you're up for a challenge :) |
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| 12:30.53 | Supaplex | Eulex: dpkg --get-selection > dpkg -l. but dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep -v osso- | awk '{print $2}' |
| 12:31.13 | Supaplex | !lose ekim|irc_ |
| 12:31.13 | dpkg | ekim|irc_: You Lose. |
| 12:31.25 | stew | geo-rge: so he is wanting to know more about linux and you are suggesting a way he do that is to learn forth? is that a joke? |
| 12:31.38 | Supaplex | ekim|irc_: my bad. I address Eulex. see my line above |
| 12:31.42 | SasanRose | mmm... nice... i like to learn c ;) |
| 12:31.42 | ekim|irc_ | aww man |
| 12:31.48 | ekim|irc_ | sure sure |
| 12:31.54 | ekim|irc_ | im sure it was your "bad" |
| 12:31.56 | ekim|irc_ | lol |
| 12:32.00 | Supaplex | ;0 |
| 12:32.01 | geo-rge | stew: read the conversation and leave me alone. I know what I'm doing. |
| 12:32.25 | Eulex | Supaplex, indeed, would be easier with dpkg --get-selections |
| 12:32.41 | stew | SasanRose: i don't recommend you waste time learning forth |
| 12:32.58 | ekim|irc_ | Supalex, which one of those do I use ? |
| 12:33.08 | geo-rge | says someone who hasn't read what was wanted. |
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| 12:33.24 | SasanRose | i'm confused... so what should i do?! |
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| 12:33.43 | geo-rge | really, you have a fairly good start already... |
| 12:33.45 | geo-rge | you' |
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| 12:34.23 | Supaplex | ekim|irc_: dpkg --get-selections | grep install | egrep -v '(^osso-|deinstall$)' | awk '{print $1}' |
| 12:34.26 | ekim|irc_ | Thank you ... very helpful |
| 12:34.33 | geo-rge | have been thru some programming tasks, that's good. but you're interested specifically in networking, and that's going to take you understanding bitwise operations. |
| 12:34.39 | ekim|irc_ | dpkg --get-selection > dpkg -l ; dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep -v osso- | grep -v hildon- | awk '{print $2}' |
| 12:34.43 | geo-rge | both c and forth lend themselves well to this. |
| 12:34.58 | geo-rge | so if you;re attracted to C, go for that |
| 12:35.04 | ekim|irc_ | I know I vcould probably do that with one grep...but whatever |
| 12:35.09 | ekim|irc_ | who the heck still uses forth... |
| 12:35.20 | stew | geo-rge: i have read it. i still don't think forth is a good idea |
| 12:35.21 | ekim|irc_ | Go program something in ALGOL while your at it |
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| 12:35.31 | ekim|irc_ | FOCAL |
| 12:35.38 | jelly-home | openfirmware does. HP calculators too. :-) |
| 12:35.39 | geo-rge | ekim|irc_: do you have a mac? |
| 12:35.39 | ekim|irc_ | pascal... |
| 12:35.41 | ekim|irc_ | COBAL |
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| 12:35.44 | SasanRose | so forth and c? |
| 12:35.45 | ekim|irc_ | I wish |
| 12:35.49 | SasanRose | nice |
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| 12:36.00 | geo-rge | if you did, you might have a boot loader written in forth |
| 12:36.02 | stew | SasanRose: i really don't think forth would be a good way to spend your time |
| 12:36.04 | h3sp4wn | plenty of things still use forth (openfirmware being the obvious example) |
| 12:36.13 | ekim|irc_ | well...is forth very fast ? |
| 12:36.14 | Supaplex | !start a programming war |
| 12:36.15 | larsl` | Does anyone know why the update-notifier applet adds 3 empty squares to the KDE systray? |
| 12:36.19 | chronographer | FOrtran |
| 12:36.20 | larsl` | In addition to the orange icon. |
| 12:36.24 | geo-rge | yes, and that includes development time |
| 12:36.29 | SasanRose | stew: will u please tell us why? |
| 12:36.30 | Supaplex | !start a programming language war |
| 12:36.39 | Supaplex | *meh* you get the idea. ;) |
| 12:36.41 | gryfie | assemby is your choise :) And a prcocedural language, and a oop-language |
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| 12:37.02 | gryfie | then read "understanding the linux-kernel" and the linuk-wiki :) |
| 12:37.09 | geo-rge | well that would be a really traditional approach that would take a long time |
| 12:37.19 | Supaplex | why not cobol with inline gwbasic, inline pascal and inline perl? ;) |
| 12:37.37 | gryfie | use basic |
| 12:37.42 | Supaplex | perl6 |
| 12:37.43 | azeem | if you guys want to troll programming languages, kindly do it elsewhere. |
| 12:37.49 | chronographer | lol |
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| 12:38.16 | geo-rge | azeem: I'm just answering a question... stew started fighting me |
| 12:38.18 | stew | SasanRose: forth is an old language and not much development is actually being done in forth anymore. In fact, of the 16,000 packages that are in debian, i'd be suprised if 10 of them are in forth. you want to learn about networking, but i'm not even sure if forth has networking included in the core language, so i really don't understand why it would be suggested |
| 12:38.46 | azeem | geo-rge: if you want to help Debian users in here, answer questions sensible |
| 12:38.48 | azeem | sensibly* |
| 12:38.53 | SasanRose | stew: what is ur suggestion? |
| 12:39.17 | geo-rge | it would be suggested to have a very fast, very understandable binary calculator that would help with things like netmask examples |
| 12:39.20 | azeem | SasanRose: the obvious choice for Unix programming |
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| 12:39.25 | Supaplex | SasanRose: start by spelling 'ur' as 'your' |
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| 12:39.36 | stew | geo-rge: aptitude install ipcalc |
| 12:39.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello, im about to go insane :( |
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| 12:40.03 | Supaplex | DJ-Marcuzz: are we suppose to guess why? |
| 12:40.09 | gryfie | Is ther a an application wih gui for editing the keys under x? |
| 12:40.10 | geo-rge | funny you should mention ipcalc... I wrote a forth ip calculator |
| 12:40.23 | larsl` | SasanRose: A language that can use C libraries, since that's what 90% of all libraries are written in. |
| 12:40.26 | stew | SasanRose: if you are just learning programming i'd suggest python, if you have done some programming before then maybe c. if you are really just wanting to learn about networking (and not about network programming) then start reading some howtos |
| 12:40.33 | SasanRose | Supaplex: ok my friend, thanks for 'your' recomendation |
| 12:40.34 | larsl` | SasanRose: E.g. C or C++. |
| 12:40.39 | abrotman | maybe even perl ? |
| 12:40.41 | geo-rge | it's not complete but it's very usable, very portable, and very demonstrative |
| 12:40.41 | jelly-home | SasanRose: a decent interpreted language like python, Perl or ruby might be more appropriate. |
| 12:40.44 | azeem | geo-rge: funny you mention your forth ip calculater, you thought iptables questions were off-topic yesterday |
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| 12:41.07 | geo-rge | again, just asking a question |
| 12:41.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | no, i have an clean install ech, with kdebase, x-window-system and gdm, and tightvncserver, when i try to start it it says: Please set correct fontPath in the tightvncserver script. |
| 12:41.11 | geo-rge | err answering |
| 12:41.22 | jelly-home | SasanRose: and if you think you really need you can always go back and forth |
| 12:41.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have all fonts installed, and everything seems te be set correctly |
| 12:41.33 | geo-rge | I tell ya what, if you don't need my help, I could leave |
| 12:41.54 | gryfie | I must say, that i learn best from real (beginners/novice) books |
| 12:42.03 | azeem | geo-rge: if you think suggesting learning forth is sensible help, then yes, there is a problem |
| 12:42.20 | geo-rge | azeem: have you learned it? |
| 12:42.31 | azeem | geo-rge: is that a trick question? |
| 12:42.54 | SasanRose | hey guys, so up to now, perl, c, python, forth? you really made me confused |
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| 12:43.00 | geo-rge | if you have not, then frankly you're not qualified to make that statement |
| 12:43.01 | abrotman | SasanRose: ignore forth |
| 12:43.10 | jelly-home | SasanRose: forget forth :-) |
| 12:43.20 | abrotman | SasanRose: Python/C/C++/Perl |
| 12:43.22 | gryfie | SasanRose: I'd suggest c or python |
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| 12:43.31 | Supaplex | go forth and learn something mainstream |
| 12:43.48 | gryfie | or java |
| 12:43.49 | stew | geo-rge: can you point me at a debian package programmed in forth so I can see the type of developement being done in forth today? |
| 12:43.51 | jelly-home | Supaplex: hey, no stealing of puns! |
| 12:44.01 | azeem | geo-rge: I think the GNU Hurd is technically superior to Linux. Do you see me suggesting using the Hurd to every new user because of it? |
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| 12:44.02 | quitte | hi. is there a way for a user to chnage the ownership of a file? http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fileowner.html according to this it is possible. bu for some reason it doesn'T work |
| 12:44.04 | azeem | no. |
| 12:44.07 | SasanRose | geo-rge: dear friend, it seems that i really have to forget forth :) |
| 12:44.31 | geo-rge | stew: that's not relevent. what is relevent is how it can help SasanRose -learn- what he wants to |
| 12:44.44 | Supaplex | jelly-home: it was better than my previous idea of suggesting a spoken langauge that's far too old to be used commonly. |
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| 12:45.01 | geo-rge | stew: again, you did not read what the original request was. TO LEARN. |
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| 12:45.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | whoeps wrong button, but i still cant get tightvnc working :( |
| 12:45.16 | stew | geo-rge: i'll take that as a no. He wants to learn network programming, can you point me at any documentation on network programming in forth? |
| 12:45.30 | jelly-home | geo-rge: yeah, but not language history/theory |
| 12:45.35 | azeem | his ipcalc NIH |
| 12:45.46 | jelly-home | geo-rge: might as well suggest lisp then! |
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| 12:45.58 | stew | jelly-home: lisp actually supports networking |
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| 12:46.14 | azeem | anyway, let's just EOD |
| 12:46.15 | jelly-home | stew: I withdraw. |
| 12:46.19 | SasanRose | Guys, I made a quick search and i found that python is a good choice for someone like me to learn, what is your idea? |
| 12:46.32 | azeem | SasanRose: it's OK, now please move on |
| 12:46.40 | abrotman | SasanRose: wonderful! .. enjoy! |
| 12:46.44 | azeem | SasanRose: it's obvious you won't get a coherent answer from 500+ people |
| 12:46.50 | Supaplex | !python |
| 12:46.50 | dpkg | [python] a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/, or #python |
| 12:47.03 | Supaplex | !customer |
| 12:47.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 12:47.06 | Supaplex | next... |
| 12:47.11 | SasanRose | dpkg: tnx |
| 12:47.11 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 12:47.31 | quitte | is it a kernel or a coreutils thing that it isn't possible any more to change the owner of a file as a user? |
| 12:47.39 | geo-rge | again, irrelevent. the purpose of the suggestion was to allow him a quick method of testing and learning how the underlying technologies work, how addressing works, what netmasks are, what they do, what happens when you have certain masks, and do all these things very quickly without having to recompile before doing every single example. |
| 12:47.46 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 12:47.47 | h3sp4wn | SasanRose: Learn scheme instead there is an excellent mit paper on why |
| 12:47.49 | azeem | geo-rge: drop it |
| 12:47.57 | azeem | h3sp4wn: didn't you get the memo? |
| 12:47.59 | azeem | EOD. |
| 12:48.04 | azeem | h3sp4wn: or continue in private |
| 12:48.10 | geo-rge | again, just answering the question put to me |
| 12:48.18 | h3sp4wn | azeem: no ? |
| 12:48.24 | h3sp4wn | azeem: what do you mean ? |
| 12:48.28 | azeem | 14:43 < azeem> anyway, let's just EOD |
| 12:48.35 | Supaplex | geo-rge: do you parents know your gay? (how's that for a question?) |
| 12:48.40 | azeem | h3sp4wn: this discussion is off-topic, and has been dragged on for long enough |
| 12:48.42 | geo-rge | if you don't like the form of my answers, tough. ask me to leave |
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| 12:48.48 | h3sp4wn | azeem: ok sure |
| 12:49.07 | SasanRose | Hey guys, please, i understood what i was here for, python, debian.org and single how to... thank you all |
| 12:49.35 | abrotman | SasanRose: anything else we can help you with ? |
| 12:49.52 | geo-rge | SasanRose: none of this was your fault |
| 12:50.38 | SasanRose | i'll be back again when i learn these things :) hope to see you all here again |
| 12:50.44 | azeem | SasanRose: bye! |
| 12:51.06 | geo-rge | we're just all feeling quite a bit of sensation and we don't know what to do with it |
| 12:51.19 | abrotman | we are? :) |
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| 12:51.45 | SasanRose | bye every one and take it easy guys, you all are professionals ;) |
| 12:51.48 | asg | abrotman: did you mix his low-calorie sweetner with coke again? |
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| 12:51.53 | geo-rge | abrotman: well you're relatively neutral/calm :) congratulations :) |
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| 12:53.13 | geo-rge | stew: I wouldn't be surprised after what you started that SasanRose will go to ubuntu or something... |
| 12:53.42 | azeem | geo-rge: are you going to continue? |
| 12:54.09 | geo-rge | I don't know yet |
| 12:54.30 | chris_ | hello i am using the site http://buildd.debian.org/build.php however i cannot find a build log for [openoffice.org] 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch2, which is the most recent version in etch. Is there another database which would habe a build log? |
| 12:54.36 | geo-rge | but the way he stepped on me is fairly unforgivable |
| 12:54.39 | abrotman | asg: poprocks in his soda! |
| 12:54.48 | azeem | geo-rge: he's just doing his job |
| 12:54.54 | azeem | and he's doing it well |
| 12:55.00 | geo-rge | that shouldn't be his job |
| 12:55.07 | azeem | yes |
| 12:55.15 | azeem | in fact, you should be doing your job |
| 12:55.21 | azeem | but as you didn't, he had to do his |
| 12:55.24 | azeem | too sad |
| 12:55.29 | geo-rge | then I shoujld be getting paid./ |
| 12:55.41 | azeem | [ ] you understood |
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| 12:55.52 | geo-rge | especially to be taking crap like that |
| 12:56.07 | stew | this conversation doesn't belong in-channel |
| 12:56.20 | azeem | geo-rge: either join #debian-ops, or take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:56.20 | abrotman | chris_: i'm not sure they keep the old buildd logs |
| 12:56.31 | azeem | the last 1-2 years should be up |
| 12:56.41 | azeem | it's more likely the source package is wrong |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | for security packages also ? |
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| 12:56.55 | azeem | oh |
| 12:57.03 | geo-rge | huh? was that to me? last 2 years? |
| 12:57.06 | azeem | they're not on buildd.d.o indeed |
| 12:57.09 | azeem | geo-rge: no |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | oh actually .. they're there .. butnot for i386 ? |
| 12:57.39 | azeem | that's usually because i386 got uploaded with binaries manually |
| 12:57.45 | azeem | same for regular buildd logs |
| 12:58.27 | stew | abrotman: debian doesn't not [yet?] allow source only uploads, so there is always one arch which wasn't built by the buildds unless it was a binNMU, aiui |
| 12:58.28 | abrotman | oh .. he didn't go |
| 12:58.34 | stew | doesn't not, nice |
| 12:58.43 | geo-rge | what?? |
| 12:58.58 | abrotman | stew: maybe you'd be more comfortable in #debian-es ? :) |
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| 12:59.20 | chris_ | abrotman: would something change if i spoke up to the buildd admins or is it just a matter of fact? |
| 12:59.32 | azeem | chris_: what is your actual issue? |
| 12:59.45 | azeem | and talking to the buildd admins usually doesn't help |
| 12:59.49 | abrotman | chris_: as azeem suggested .. likely the builder uploaded binaries for i386 .. and the rest of the architectures were built from source |
| 13:00.06 | abrotman | chris_: the other architecture buildd logs are on that page |
| 13:00.15 | abrotman | or many of them anyways |
| 13:00.16 | Supaplex | geo-rge: sorry for my gheyness. (if you have no clue what I'm referring to, just ignore it) |
| 13:00.48 | _MrSeb_ | hi, I'm trying to compile a module with module-assistant... Is it necessary get the kernel source or the kernel-headers are sufficient? |
| 13:00.59 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: m-a prepare |
| 13:01.02 | asg | _MrSeb_: just run m-a prepare |
| 13:01.02 | geo-rge | Supaplex: it was pretty weird of you to ask the question you did... |
| 13:01.05 | asg | meh |
| 13:01.06 | stew | _MrSeb_: headers. and "m-a prepare" will do that for you |
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| 13:01.17 | _MrSeb_ | thanks to all |
| 13:01.25 | geo-rge | having said that, no problem... |
| 13:01.32 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: are you building an m-a prepared driver ? |
| 13:01.38 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. i can't read |
| 13:01.42 | Supaplex | geo-rge: it was a bad way to illistrate you don't have to answer all questions. :) hehe |
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| 13:02.07 | _MrSeb_ | abrotman: I need to compile zaptel driver with ztdummy to get working asterisk |
| 13:02.13 | geo-rge | Supaplex: you could have just said that :P |
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| 13:02.33 | chris_ | abrotman: buildd has etch dfsg2-5.etch2 while the most recent is [..]7.[..] |
| 13:02.42 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: m-a prepare && m-a a-i <driver> |
| 13:02.44 | chris_ | abrotman: i still dont understand the upload pattern |
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| 13:03.11 | r-wolf | I'm at a loss, it seems that any changes I make in /etc/profile just don't work, how to fix this? |
| 13:03.20 | abrotman | chris_: the maintainer uploaded binaries for openoffice.org for i386 .. and the source for the ones he didn't build .. so buildd built the others and those are the logs you see |
| 13:03.25 | chris_ | azeem, abrotman _5_ is recent enough for my issue, thank you |
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| 13:03.54 | abrotman | chris_: there are buildd logs for -7- for other than i386 |
| 13:04.03 | abrotman | (and amd64 seems to be missing too) |
| 13:04.24 | r-wolf | env vars I export from there don't appear in system after reboot |
| 13:04.44 | abrotman | r-wolf: and how are you logging in ? |
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| 13:04.54 | _MrSeb_ | abrotman: what is a-i? I've done build and than I'll do install, is it not correct? |
| 13:04.56 | r-wolf | abrotman: gnome |
| 13:05.03 | azeem | chris_: the -7 uploads are stable-security, the -5 is stable; only the latter is on buildd.debian.org |
| 13:05.28 | r-wolf | abrotman: as ordinary user, not root |
| 13:05.28 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: it's in the man page |
| 13:05.40 | chris_ | abrotman: sorry, i am not sure i understand. if i search the html for "etch" i get 8 hits: 5etch2 |
| 13:05.43 | abrotman | r-wolf: it's not a login shell .. not sure it will look at /etc/profile |
| 13:05.55 | chris_ | azeem: ah ok, capito |
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| 13:07.08 | chris_ | azeem: where could i find build logs for stable-security? or are there none, because packages are build by maintainer and changes are minimal? |
| 13:07.26 | azeem | chris_: I think there are none |
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| 13:07.39 | azeem | chris_: why do you need them, anyway? |
| 13:08.42 | chris_ | azeem: i am just interested in the exact configure build switches used for ooo-build, which is a meta builder for openoffice.org |
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| 13:09.11 | chris_ | azeem: but as i said |
| 13:09.20 | azeem | chris_: then look at the source, not the build log |
| 13:09.23 | chris_ | azeem: the -5 log is ok for me |
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| 13:10.16 | chris_ | azeem: thats hell complicated for me as a beginner. the /debian/rules is a diff to the ooo-build meta package, which in itself alters build switches passed to the vanilla ooo-build |
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| 13:10.36 | aleksanteri | what package provides gobject? i've installed dozens but i can't find the right one |
| 13:10.38 | azeem | chris_: well, in that case, you could just ask _rene_ on oftc, maybe |
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| 13:11.43 | chris_ | azeem: i found it |
| 13:11.48 | azeem | ok |
| 13:12.05 | mumbles | whats a good mp3 tag program for debian ? |
| 13:12.07 | chris_ | abrotman, azeem: thanks a lot to you guys for helping me out |
| 13:12.52 | gryfie | ok, how can I detect, if my cdburner understand raw16 or raw96 or raw-formats? |
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| 13:14.11 | aleksanteri | ah doh forgot i'm trying out ubuntu :P |
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| 13:14.24 | cahoot | gryfie: wodim -checkdrive |
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| 13:16.26 | gryfie | thx@ cahoot |
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| 13:17.49 | Borbus | Hi, I'm trying to get FreeNX set up, I've installed it all on my Debian box and I'm trying to connect with the Windows NX client but it says authentication failed.. has anyone set this up on Debian before and know what I have done wrong? |
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| 13:19.26 | Borbus | It says it is using authentication method: publickey.. do I need to set up my sshd to be using that auth method or something? |
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| 13:20.47 | cahoot | gryfie: this maybe? http://howto-pages.org/cdwriting/11.php |
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| 13:21.25 | Max_- | I have exim installed, and now I'm installing mediawiki which suggests sendmail... so I came in aptitude to install it too, and I have a red alert at the bottom suggesting to remove exim ... ?!? What should I do? Exim must not be there for no reason... |
| 13:22.19 | asg | Max_-: exim has a sendmail compliant interface. It shouldn't be an issue for mediawiki |
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| 13:23.17 | Max_- | asg : so I'm okay if I just don't install sendmail at all, according to you? |
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| 13:23.59 | asg | Max_-: yes. |
| 13:24.14 | dan2 | asg: sup brotha |
| 13:24.20 | Max_- | good, thanks! |
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| 13:24.38 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 13:27.11 | fasta | Why do maintainers break the configuration of Apache2 with every upgrade? |
| 13:27.11 | _MrSeb_ | Hi, during the compilation of zaptel-source module from debian I get this error: "Unable to find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386" when I do module-assistant prepare... and I've manually checked present packages and they are kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. Someone know where is the problem? |
| 13:27.15 | gryfie | cahoot: thx for hint |
| 13:27.37 | fasta | The Alias directive in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf at line 255 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias. |
| 13:27.38 | jelly-home | fasta: how do they break it? have you reported the bug? |
| 13:28.07 | fasta | jelly-home: it's a warning, but still. |
| 13:28.09 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: your kernel is out of date |
| 13:28.49 | dvs | unless you have sarge |
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| 13:28.59 | _MrSeb_ | abrotman: I always do apt-get upgrade and the kernel was never updated, it's possible? |
| 13:29.08 | fasta | If I look for an "earlier" Alias, there is none(also not in include files or whatever) |
| 13:29.15 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: do you have security sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:29.22 | fasta | So, the quality of the error message seems also ... |
| 13:29.56 | _MrSeb_ | abrotman: yes... this: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: are you running etch or lenny ? |
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| 13:30.41 | abrotman | if you're running lenny .. your kernel is *really* out of date |
| 13:31.13 | dvs | _MrSeb_: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:31.18 | _MrSeb_ | abrotman: my debian_version is lenny/sid |
| 13:31.49 | jelly-home | fasta: Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. which version of apache2.2-common? Can you pastebin the offending file and the complete related message (presumably the one on [re]starting apache2 with init script or apache2ctl) |
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| 13:32.02 | abrotman | _MrSeb_: your kernel is very very out of date .. use the command dvs gave .. you'll get a 2.6.22 kernel |
| 13:32.25 | jelly-home | fasta: and more importantly, have you checked bts? |
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| 13:33.02 | _MrSeb_ | ok, thanks, I'll try, but my processor is a pentium 166, so I need 486 version... I'll try for linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 13:33.17 | dvs | _MrSeb_: ok |
| 13:33.32 | jelly-home | _MrSeb_: wow, you're running asterisk on a P166? How does that work out for you? |
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| 13:35.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: the calls skip :) |
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| 13:36.40 | _MrSeb_ | jelly-home: I'm very optimist, for now this machine do everything, it's a mule, it's slow, but for now work |
| 13:36.43 | foo | Does etch use hotplug or udev? I thought udev. |
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| 13:37.40 | jelly-home | foo: you thought right. |
| 13:37.44 | fasta | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/39021 the warnings are completely at the end |
| 13:37.52 | foo | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 13:39.37 | jelly-home | fasta: sounds more like a problem with the package providing /etc/apache2/conf.d/darcsweb.conf |
| 13:39.54 | _MrSeb_ | jelly-home: the audio codifies is not do by client? if so asterisk do only something similar to redireck of packages... |
| 13:40.15 | fasta | jelly-home: AFAIK, it happened after an upgrade of apache2. |
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| 13:41.32 | fasta | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/39022 |
| 13:41.37 | fasta | jelly-home: I don't see anything odd there. |
| 13:41.39 | jelly-home | _MrSeb_: i have no clue what you're talking about, sorry. I'm just a user as far as asterisk in concerned, and sometimes build kernels for our asterisk admin (that's why "zaptel" rang a bell) |
| 13:42.23 | fasta | "an earlier", if they just implemented a decent error message, this wouldn't be a problem.. |
| 13:42.53 | fasta | It's not like it's hard to compute all the definitions for an alias... |
| 13:43.31 | jelly-home | fasta: I see what you mean. However that's for upstream to do. |
| 13:43.43 | fasta | jelly-home: yes, I am not bitching on Debian. |
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| 13:44.17 | fasta | Maybe I should install lighttpd, but I guess it's not polished in a similar way. |
| 13:44.19 | jelly-home | fasta: file a bug (if there's not one already) |
| 13:44.21 | rocketmagnet | hello, how do i format an usbdisc with etch ? |
| 13:44.30 | fasta | Oh, yes, all software sucks. |
| 13:44.37 | fasta | [/rant] |
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| 13:45.01 | jelly-home | at least the opensource stuff you can fix yourself if you really need to |
| 13:45.21 | qrck | does anyone know why in /usr/share/locales no locales like de_DE@euro are created ? |
| 13:45.36 | _MrSeb_ | I go to reboot my server... see you later if all work correctly. Bye and thanks |
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| 13:45.58 | fasta | jelly-home: that's also a rather theoretical argument that only works when you are as big as Google. |
| 13:46.30 | jelly-home | fasta: rubbish. I've fixed my share of bugs. It helps if the code is well written. |
| 13:46.45 | fasta | jelly-home: when Debian and everyone stops distributing Linux I cannot port it to the next machine I buy(I don't have that much time). |
| 13:47.03 | fasta | jelly-home: yes, I recently got my first non-trivial patch applied. |
| 13:48.16 | jelly-home | fasta: in any case, you're free to grep -Ri alias /etc/apache2 and see if there _really_ is a stupid line like "Alias / ..." somewhere |
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| 13:48.55 | rocketmagnet | howto format an usb stick ? i have problems getting it working with windows and linux |
| 13:49.19 | stew | rocketmagnet: mkfs.vfat /dev/whatever ; (mkfs.vfat is in dosfstools) |
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| 13:49.35 | rocketmagnet | stew: tyvm! |
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| 13:50.58 | py_ | hello |
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| 13:51.21 | fasta | jelly-home: it was moved by someone else also to: /etc/apache2/mods-available/alias.conf |
| 13:51.24 | fasta | jelly-home: that was the problem |
| 13:51.31 | py_ | Is there a way to get all commands entered to the shell by users on a system to be logged to a file? |
| 13:51.49 | stew | py_: install snoopy, and they go to /var/log/auth.log |
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| 13:52.13 | asg | py_: be careful with that though, a user could dos your system very easily. |
| 13:52.40 | py_ | stew: thanks, will have a look at that tool |
| 13:52.51 | rocketmagnet | stew: argh, now after doing the command it seems like the usb stick has only 1,5 mb =( |
| 13:52.59 | py_ | asg: you're right. Will be careful. |
| 13:53.07 | stew | rocketmagnet: exactly what command did you use? |
| 13:53.19 | stew | rocketmagnet: i mean, which /dev/ entry? |
| 13:53.26 | rocketmagnet | mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb -I |
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| 13:54.22 | rocketmagnet | in windows i normaly get 2 new drives when i insert the stick (some kind of a: and the normal stick) |
| 13:54.52 | stew | rocketmagnet: and hwow did you determin that it was 1.5 MB? |
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| 13:55.13 | sam_home | on Debian what would be a good place to mount gmailfs? what should i put instead of /path/to/mount/point? |
| 13:55.16 | xand | some usb sticks have two partitions |
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| 13:55.46 | xand | well, "partitions"... they're actually seperate areas on memory |
| 13:55.49 | rocketmagnet | stew: ah, i found media/sdb also, so i get 2 drives |
| 13:56.05 | rocketmagnet | media/usbdisk and media/sdb |
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| 13:56.06 | sam_home | I am looking at http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-using.html |
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| 14:01.15 | jelly-home | sam_home: are you planning to keep it mounted all the time? allowing access to all the users on the machine? |
| 14:01.35 | py_ | is there a way to get the logout time of a user logged inton /var/log/auth.log? I only have things like "(pam_unix) session opened for user root by root(uid=0)", and nothing for the logout |
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| 14:02.20 | jelly-home | what is a good place to keep apache2 ssl certificates? |
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| 14:02.29 | stew | py_: you should get a corresponding "session closed" in the same log |
| 14:02.39 | sam_home | can do |
| 14:02.50 | sam_home | yes that would be OK |
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| 14:04.36 | py_ | stew: "cat /var/log/auth.log | grep ssh | grep opened | wc -l" outputs 4, same grep on closed instead of opened outputs 0 |
| 14:05.22 | py_ | stew: but I have those "closed" lines for non-ssh logins. So it seems there is something specific with ssh? |
| 14:05.37 | jelly-home | sam_home: Duunno. I use subdirs under /mnt as mountpoints, like /mnt/foo. For fuse-based filesystems accessinble by a single user, I use ~/mnt/foo |
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| 14:06.30 | stew | py_: "Oct 7 09:06:03 cory sshd[29669]: (pam_unix) session closed for user stew |
| 14:06.44 | stew | py_: it says 'sshd" in the 'session closed' line |
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| 14:07.19 | py_ | stew: Quite strange I don't get those lines on that box (quite stock edge box) |
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| 14:08.28 | sam_home | OK thanks I was trying /mnt/gmail, I think i must have some other problem.. |
| 14:08.33 | yang | When I try to aptitude upgrade it gives me the whole procedure in german language, even that I have dpkg-reconfigure locales and set en_us there...? |
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| 14:10.27 | stew | yang: yes, if you wnat all subsequent invocations to be in another language, if you want just this invocation to be in another language, you can, for instance run "LANG=en_US aptitude upgrade" or "LANG=c aptitude upgrade" |
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| 14:11.12 | yang | ok stew helpfull as always :) |
| 14:11.16 | jelly-home | perhaps LANG=C not c? |
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| 14:11.43 | stew | jelly-home: afaik, both work |
| 14:11.55 | elenril | any gameboy color emu in repos? |
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| 14:12.37 | elenril | s/color/advance |
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| 14:13.22 | kaluva | aptitude search game boy advance |
| 14:13.31 | jelly-home | stew: at least on lenny no: "LANG=c locale" -> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 14:13.55 | stew | jelly-home: ahh ok, thanks |
| 14:14.03 | stew | yang: LANG=C not LANG=c |
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| 14:16.04 | py_ | stew: relly strange. I checked on another etch box I have handy, it also has the "opened" but no "closed" statements for ssh. But an ubuntu feisty I have here has them both... |
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| 14:16.45 | kaluva | On etch: My udev gives stupid permissions to many devices - almost anything has 0666. I cannot find a rule responsible for that. Any clues? |
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| 14:17.13 | stew | py_: for what it's worth. the line i sent was also from an etch box |
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| 14:17.32 | py_ | stew: even more strange... |
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| 14:20.36 | Dewi | under what circumstance is ~/.profile loaded? |
| 14:20.48 | Dewi | bash seems to ignore it |
| 14:21.07 | Dewi | or... does it only load .profile if there's no .bash_profile or something like that? |
| 14:21.16 | jelly-home | Dewi: interactive /bin/sh? |
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| 14:21.47 | asg | Dewi: did you read the INVOCATION section of the bash manpage? |
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| 14:22.13 | Dewi | asg: I forgot about that. thanks. |
| 14:22.18 | stew | Dewi: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
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| 14:22.35 | jelly-home | One thing nice in Ubuntu: they switched to dash as default /bin/sh |
| 14:22.44 | Dewi | stew: last time I tried to read that it was incomprehensible to me |
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| 14:22.52 | geo-rge | Dewi: also the FILES section. |
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| 14:23.34 | Kartoffelsalat | how is mozilla sunbird named in debian testing? |
| 14:23.46 | geo-rge | in fact the FILES section gives a most succinct, understandable idea of what gets loaded when |
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| 14:24.21 | geo-rge | oh, I guess that has to do with what happens when the root user is created |
| 14:24.53 | Dewi | well, I'm tempted to make a .bash_profile that sources .bashrc |
| 14:24.55 | Dewi | as is conventional |
| 14:25.04 | Dewi | but the fact that root doesn't do this already makes me wonder if it's a bad idea or something |
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| 14:25.50 | geo-rge | if you check what happens in the installer when the root user is created, you might find a documented reason, or you might find that it's just plain missing |
| 14:26.13 | asg | Dewi: the general idea is to keep root's environment as clean as possible. It is also a way to disuade you from running as root. |
| 14:26.56 | kaluva | /joine #debian.de |
| 14:27.02 | Dewi | asg: I kind of like to make it red, with timestamps |
| 14:27.11 | asg | Dewi: it's your box, you can do as you wish |
| 14:27.15 | Dewi | asg: so I really know it's root and can see exactly what's going on |
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| 14:27.46 | geo-rge | timestamps will make your lines fairly long... |
| 14:28.11 | geo-rge | especially if you put the dir in your prompt (which you should) |
| 14:28.14 | Dewi | geo-rge: I put a newline in |
| 14:28.45 | Dewi | makes it very easy to tell program output from the prompt |
| 14:28.57 | Dewi | got the idea from cygwin originally I think |
| 14:29.10 | geo-rge | that's not bad actually |
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| 14:29.22 | gynterk | The LDAP server will contain only non-system users (i.e. a UID >= 1000) ? |
| 14:29.27 | Dewi | but yes, for example, when configured as default running 'bash' as root does this: |
| 14:29.29 | gynterk | debian wiki says it |
| 14:29.30 | Dewi | root@ash:~# bash |
| 14:29.33 | Dewi | ash:~# |
| 14:29.50 | Dewi | it's strange magic, the environment defaults |
| 14:30.03 | Dewi | I'm terrified to touch anything |
| 14:30.07 | Dewi | and yet I... want to :) |
| 14:30.36 | geo-rge | if the cwd is in the prompt, it's very hard to tell where the user typing is... in fact, it's also very difficult to find those lines when you're scrolling back |
| 14:30.57 | geo-rge | do it :P you've been around |
| 14:31.01 | Dewi | geo-rge: not when it's red or green with a newline :) |
| 14:31.27 | geo-rge | right, but when it's not a different color and when there's not a newline... |
| 14:31.55 | gynterk | azeem |
| 14:32.53 | gynterk | is it possible to use ldap to manage system users ? |
| 14:33.01 | gynterk | etch |
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| 14:33.14 | geo-rge | why would you want to? |
| 14:33.27 | gynterk | >5000 users |
| 14:33.29 | stew | gynterk: yes with either libnss-ldap or libpam-ldap |
| 14:33.32 | gynterk | and multiple servers |
| 14:33.35 | gynterk | like webCMS |
| 14:33.36 | geo-rge | 5000 system users? |
| 14:33.41 | gynterk | yes |
| 14:33.46 | gynterk | they all need web space |
| 14:34.01 | gynterk | students |
| 14:34.03 | gynterk | 50mb each |
| 14:34.30 | geo-rge | oic, you dont' mean system users (like root, bin, nobody) |
| 14:34.38 | stew | i think he does |
| 14:34.46 | geo-rge | but 5000 of those? |
| 14:34.52 | gynterk | i need those users to have sftp access to server |
| 14:34.53 | asg | gynterk: which ldap server are you using? |
| 14:34.54 | geo-rge | he's saying they're students |
| 14:35.03 | gynterk | I'm not using ldap at the moment |
| 14:35.05 | azeem | asg: he's using a script to update passwd |
| 14:35.07 | gynterk | i wanna configure it |
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| 14:35.33 | geo-rge | gynterk: tell what your whole idea is |
| 14:35.34 | gynterk | under system users i don't mean root privileged users |
| 14:35.38 | gynterk | i mean nix/shell users |
| 14:35.40 | asg | azeem: I know, I was trying to see if he was using AD or somesuch since, in that case, libpam-krb5 is another option for authentication. |
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| 14:35.44 | azeem | gynterk: if you're managing 5000 users, shouldn't you go read a book or take a seminar or something? |
| 14:36.37 | Dewi | stew: okay, I'm sorry about what I said before. This is quite a lot of prose, but now that I'm procrastinating in the middle of the night it all clicks like it didn't previously |
| 14:36.50 | stew | Dewi: heh, ok :) |
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| 14:37.17 | gynterk | but debian wiki says |
| 14:37.18 | gynterk | The LDAP server will contain only non-system users (i.e. a UID >= 1000) |
| 14:37.31 | gynterk | system users are users like root etc? |
| 14:37.33 | kaluva | gynterk: Differentiate between "uses the system" and "is part of the system" |
| 14:37.38 | gynterk | k |
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| 14:37.56 | geo-rge | gynterk: howbout calling the students "os users" |
| 14:38.02 | py_ | gynterk: your understanding of "non-system user" is wrong |
| 14:38.08 | geo-rge | or "plain users" |
| 14:38.10 | kaluva | How about: "users"? |
| 14:38.19 | gynterk | yeagh |
| 14:38.24 | gynterk | now I did understand |
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| 14:38.26 | gynterk | thanks |
| 14:38.27 | Dewi | gynterk: in that context (UIDs < 1000) system users are root, along with users created for technical reasons for daemons etc |
| 14:38.32 | HardDisk_WP | how do I switch a process from one terrminal to another? |
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| 14:38.49 | HardDisk_WP | a mencoder runs on tty1 and I want to switch it to pts/2 |
| 14:38.51 | HardDisk_WP | is that possible? |
| 14:38.51 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: run it inside screen or dtach |
| 14:38.51 | geo-rge | if there is not a different kind of user... like: a database user and an os user (like pg) |
| 14:38.55 | diafic | Does anyoneknow how I can make a block of text appear below an image on rollover? (Javascript_ |
| 14:38.56 | Dewi | gynterk: when you add normal users to your system they get UIDs/GIDs numbering from 1000 |
| 14:38.58 | gynterk | and chroot with ldap works too ? |
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| 14:39.02 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, you can't. if it isn't already running in screen. |
| 14:39.03 | geo-rge | then "user" should be fine |
| 14:39.07 | stew | HardDisk_WP: in general you don't, unless you started the process inside screen. there is 'retty', but i've never used it, and its possibly unmaintained |
| 14:39.22 | Nihill | how do I generate a new xorg.conf |
| 14:39.30 | geo-rge | !drs |
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| 14:39.33 | Eulex | !drxx |
| 14:39.33 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:39.58 | HardDisk_WP | ah ok |
| 14:40.00 | HardDisk_WP | Nihill, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:40.01 | geo-rge | my fingers were almost in the right position :P |
| 14:40.42 | Nihill | cheers :) |
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| 14:41.15 | geo-rge | but of course another way to "generate" it is to compose and type it |
| 14:41.31 | Nihill | I wrote my last one to get dual monitor |
| 14:41.46 | Nihill | But I'm just trying to get it setup as quick as possible |
| 14:41.47 | azeem | geo-rge: there's always "another way" |
| 14:41.56 | azeem | and there's "the Debian way" |
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| 14:42.30 | geo-rge | in this case the debian way is the quicker easier better way |
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| 14:42.57 | Dewi | asg / geo-rge : thanks for your input as well (earlier today and just now). I think I can make this environment work as I want now |
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| 14:43.45 | geo-rge | Dewi: one of the more important things involves the case where you have users, you go to where they are seated and su to root |
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| 14:43.58 | geo-rge | more important cases that is |
| 14:44.02 | Ben_Cs | id there a debian install cd which is as well a livecd? |
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| 14:45.26 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: there might be a debian live cd, there's definitely a knoppix live cd (I think that's all they do, installable live cds) |
| 14:45.42 | geo-rge | but what are you looking for? |
| 14:46.05 | geo-rge | err, what problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 14:46.08 | epsilon | debian netinstall cd also supports basic shell |
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| 14:46.33 | Supaplex | 10 print "Hi!" |
| 14:46.37 | Supaplex | 20 goto 10 |
| 14:46.40 | geo-rge | that's live but in a really dead way :) |
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| 14:47.19 | azeem | Ben_Cs: I don't think the Debian Live CD can install Debian as well |
| 14:47.26 | Supaplex | ok, so it's not BASIC, but very non-featureriffic |
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| 14:47.50 | epsilon | does an SSH-tunnel with tunneled port only accept connetions from localhost? |
| 14:48.01 | geo-rge | true... but the shell is wayyy better than basic if only because it lacks line numbers... |
| 14:48.26 | tt | When I execute to command "uptime" in cli it says "*5 users*". Exactly what does this mean? |
| 14:48.33 | Ben_Cs | i have a weird problem on debian based distro: i've installed a switch in my home network. on WinXP all is fine. in debian, only ICQ has internet access. please help |
| 14:48.50 | Supaplex | Ben_Cs: I've heard it both ways about the debian-live cd. you can do it by hand. and the isntaller suppoedly can function just fine, but you'll have to ask them what todays status is on it. (it worked before) |
| 14:48.58 | epsilon | tt: who |
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| 14:49.08 | geo-rge | tt: that somewhere between one and five people are logged in... for a total of 5 logins |
| 14:49.28 | geo-rge | tt: it could be you logged in 5 times |
| 14:49.32 | Supaplex | tt: eg, login shells. |
| 14:49.40 | Max_- | If I want latex running on my debian box I need to install cjk-latex, that's it? |
| 14:49.45 | Supaplex | s/shells/instances/ etc |
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| 14:50.10 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: sounds like you have routing issues |
| 14:50.13 | tt | okay |
| 14:50.27 | Supaplex | Ben_Cs: do you use dhcp? |
| 14:50.39 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: but how come i don't have them on Winblows? |
| 14:50.48 | Ben_Cs | Supaplex: yes |
| 14:50.48 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: you need to start by telling us exactly how your machines are connected |
| 14:51.00 | tt | It means that I got 5 open connections via ssh to my other computer (5 different programs running). Right? |
| 14:51.14 | bush | Max_-: yes |
| 14:51.22 | stew | Ben_Cs: if you run "ping 64.233.167.99" do you get replies? or timeouts? |
| 14:51.31 | Max_- | bush : thanks! |
| 14:52.06 | tt | Well I might as well ask because I've thought about this some time now. What exactly does TTY and pts/x mean? |
| 14:52.25 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: i have a dsl router connected to internet. the router is connected to a switch. the switch can handle both cross and regular cables. 2 PCs are connected to the switch. one has WinXP, the other has dualboot of winXP and debian. |
| 14:52.47 | geo-rge | tt: not just that, it means that whether from ssh, telnet or your home machine there are currently 5 of them logged in |
| 14:52.53 | Supaplex | Ben_Cs: what are you trying to use besides icq? |
| 14:53.18 | geo-rge | that is, 5 times, someone typed their login name and their password |
| 14:53.24 | stew | Ben_Cs: i'm guessing that you don't have dns resolution setup coorectly, in which case, "ping 64.233.167.99" will work, but "ping google.com" wont |
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| 14:53.57 | Ben_Cs | Supaplex: firefox, xchat, skype |
| 14:54.23 | Supaplex | Ben_Cs: or try http://64.233.167.99 (smells like a google ip iirc) |
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| 14:54.26 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: stew probably named your problem |
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| 14:54.49 | tt | geo-rge: Right now "w" gives 5 programs and me as the user of all of them. If somebody else would login and start a program the number would go up to 6. Right? |
| 14:54.57 | action099 | hi all, wome clue about installing freenx on a Debian testing please? i'm currently looking at http://wiki.debian.org/freenx tia ! (expecially the depositories..) |
| 14:55.18 | geo-rge | tt: yes, exactly. additionally, all six would also be running a shell. |
| 14:55.40 | Ben_Cs | stew: both ping IP and URL gets through but ping IP has no packet loss when ping URL has 11% packet loss |
| 14:55.45 | Supaplex | depositories? haha.. that's funny. |
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| 14:56.15 | stew | Ben_Cs: over the long run there shouldn't be any difference in the amount of packet loss with either comand |
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| 14:56.29 | stew | Ben_Cs: but in any case, 11% is huge, and unacceptable |
| 14:57.01 | geo-rge | wonder what address the windows machine has... |
| 14:57.19 | geo-rge | if it's routable, then the dsl thing is just a modem |
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| 14:57.43 | miknix | hello |
| 14:58.08 | miknix | I'm new to debian.. Is there a way to get a single package from debian sid? |
| 14:58.28 | Ben_Cs | stew: checked again. this time sent 16 packs both URL and IP and got in both 6% loss |
| 14:58.29 | stew | miknix: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:58.45 | tt | geo-rge: Thanks, I think I managed to understand it. |
| 14:58.51 | miknix | thanks |
| 14:59.01 | stew | Ben_Cs: if you try going to google in a web browser now. do you get an error? is it just really slow? |
| 14:59.02 | geo-rge | you'd probably have to build it, and then install it... the backports thing might be a better way to go, since the building is done |
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| 15:00.58 | Ben_Cs | stew: google loads pretty fast but other sites just don't load |
| 15:01.01 | stew | Ben_Cs: and in any case, i'd call your dsl provider and ask them to check the loss on that line, 6% is not an acceptable amount of loss, and they should help you troubleshoot that |
| 15:01.04 | Max_- | it's said that I should install the AMS for LaTeX in order to get things working right for math rendering... now I search for an AMS package and I get one... but it's a GUI synth... not sure it's the good thing!?? |
| 15:01.05 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: still highly unacceptable... you're right there :) |
| 15:01.32 | Supaplex | Ben_Cs: does it work better if you lower the mtu? |
| 15:01.34 | geo-rge | are you getting that kind of performance when your linux box is pinging the router/. |
| 15:01.37 | geo-rge | ? |
| 15:01.41 | stew | Ben_Cs: i'd guess that if you retry enough larger pages would load, but they are having trouble loading becuase of the packet loss |
| 15:02.05 | miknix | and is there any difference between sid/unstable/testing ? |
| 15:02.22 | HardDisk_WP | how do I com press a directory to .tar.gz? |
| 15:02.22 | stew | miknix: sid and unstable are the same, testing is different: http://debian.org/releases |
| 15:02.30 | Ben_Cs | stew: when i ping tomshardware.com for instance, the reply is dead slow |
| 15:02.33 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: what IP address did the linux box get from the router? |
| 15:02.36 | azeem | w31 |
| 15:02.40 | azeem | oops |
| 15:02.48 | stew | Ben_Cs: call your dsl provider |
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| 15:02.59 | stew | Ben_Cs: tell them about the packet loss with ping |
| 15:03.08 | geo-rge | no, the problem is behind the modem |
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| 15:03.33 | Ben_Cs | Supaplex: mtu ?! |
| 15:03.47 | Eulex | !mtu |
| 15:03.48 | dpkg | mtu is probably Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces> |
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| 15:04.03 | stew | the wrong mtu size would cause fragmentation, but not dataloss |
| 15:04.33 | Ben_Cs | when i ping more sites the data loss usually is 0% |
| 15:04.42 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: as root, in your linux box, type ifconfig, and you should get one or two paragraphs with some labels at the left |
| 15:04.44 | Ben_Cs | it's just dead slow reply |
| 15:04.50 | geo-rge | what are those labels? |
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| 15:05.01 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 15:05.08 | gynterk | nss or pam? |
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| 15:05.10 | gynterk | which ? |
| 15:05.15 | gynterk | ldap |
| 15:05.23 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: i get ip 192.168.1.3, when my router is 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:05.29 | azeem | gynterk: really, if you admin 5000 users, you should know yourself |
| 15:05.35 | ribasushi | what is the purpose of /var/syslog-ng.persist which seems to appear every time syslog-ng is stopped (seems to be debian specific) |
| 15:05.39 | geo-rge | ok, so that's not the problem |
| 15:05.50 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: lables: eth0, lo |
| 15:05.57 | geo-rge | your modem really is also a router :) |
| 15:06.10 | gynterk | azeem: I havent used ldap before |
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| 15:06.38 | Max_- | How do I get AMSLaTeX? |
| 15:06.38 | azeem | gynterk: I suggest you read a book about it |
| 15:07.08 | Ben_Cs | yes |
| 15:07.12 | geo-rge | is the ams stuff in tetex? |
| 15:07.32 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: ha? |
| 15:07.54 | azeem | that was for Max_ |
| 15:07.59 | Ben_Cs | oh |
| 15:08.01 | jelly-home | Ben_Cs: can you be more precise? do you have high RTT times displayed? do you have to wait for some time before each line appears? |
| 15:08.01 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs, for a moment I suspected otherwise, so I had you tell me an ip address |
| 15:09.53 | geo-rge | the ip address you gave (for both the machine and the router) confirmed my suspicion was wrong |
| 15:10.08 | Ben_Cs | jelly-home: i have to wait. but now thw ping doesn't go through at all |
| 15:10.15 | Ben_Cs | ok |
| 15:10.15 | geo-rge | proved it even |
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| 15:10.42 | Ben_Cs | when i ping my router or other pc the ping is fine. |
| 15:10.55 | geo-rge | never a loss? |
| 15:11.06 | Ben_Cs | no loss |
| 15:11.10 | jelly-home | Ben_Cs: if I were your ISP's helpdesk I'd tell you to reset the router :-) |
| 15:11.11 | geo-rge | hmmm |
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| 15:11.20 | geo-rge | then it could be on the other side of the modem |
| 15:11.37 | geo-rge | let me ask you this... so this is a dsl right? |
| 15:12.04 | Ben_Cs | right |
| 15:12.16 | Ben_Cs | jelly-home: router works fine on winxp |
| 15:13.14 | geo-rge | ok, which involves a phone line. anything else on this phone line, like answering machines or something like that? |
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| 15:13.37 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: no. |
| 15:13.51 | miknix | stew> all done. thanks for your time :) |
| 15:13.53 | geo-rge | how many extension phones? |
| 15:14.13 | Ben_Cs | but guys pay attention: all works fine on WinXP: so it's software problem somewhere |
| 15:14.27 | azeem | what doesn't work right now anyway? |
| 15:14.29 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: 3 |
| 15:14.45 | jelly-home | Ben_Cs: can you pastebin the output of eg. "time ping -c 10 66.94.234.13" |
| 15:14.54 | geo-rge | yeah that earlier statement made me suspect the problem was not with the dsl provider |
| 15:15.03 | geo-rge | and therefore behind the router |
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| 15:15.12 | geo-rge | but now I'm not so sure |
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| 15:15.18 | zapada | when i do a net install can i specify from where to download packages? |
| 15:15.34 | stew | Ben_Cs: run "traceroute -n google.com" and show us the results; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:16.10 | stew | Ben_Cs: that will show us the path you use to get to the ineternet, and with that we can help you diagnose where the loss happens |
| 15:16.14 | azeem | zapada: yes, in some limited way |
| 15:16.24 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: let me just review a bit... so you have a dsl modem/router, and you have the phone line connected to it and you have what else? the machines? or a switch? |
| 15:16.25 | Nihill | wheee that worked nicely |
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| 15:16.44 | zapada | azeem, what do you mean limited way? |
| 15:17.07 | azeem | zapada: you can at least chosse from a couple of mirrors, but maybe you can enter your own as well, not sure |
| 15:17.22 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: switch |
| 15:17.50 | geo-rge | ok, before we go on, why the switch? |
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| 15:18.09 | geo-rge | there is only one port from the modem/router? |
| 15:18.36 | Jefo | hi. does any native english speaker have some spare time and could look over an covering letter, correcting possible errors and bad expressions? |
| 15:19.08 | azeem | Jefo: please ask elsewhere |
| 15:19.40 | ma3x | i change the priority with snice, and i run top to check and it hasnt changed, why? |
| 15:19.46 | Ben_Cs | stew: can't do the suggested commands. can't reac google at all now |
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| 15:20.24 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: i have 2 pc's. i use swith to connect them into network |
| 15:20.25 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs, ok, before we go on, why the switch? |
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| 15:20.32 | geo-rge | ok |
| 15:20.35 | geo-rge | there is only one port from the modem/router? |
| 15:20.51 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: yes |
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| 15:21.07 | geo-rge | hmm so it's not like one of those linksys things |
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| 15:21.30 | geo-rge | did you try other ports of the switch? |
| 15:21.47 | geo-rge | also did you try other cables? |
| 15:22.20 | azeem | Ben_Cs: does WinXP work on the same computer when you boot into it, or from a different computer? |
| 15:22.34 | Ben_Cs | update: now even icq doesn't connect, and i've rebooted |
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| 15:22.50 | geo-rge | what did you reboot? the linux box? |
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| 15:23.37 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: didn't try other ports nor cables, but could it be that same ports and cables work on winxp and don't work on linux? |
| 15:23.48 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: yes, the linux box |
| 15:24.22 | geo-rge | ok, we can test that... swap the cables and see what happens |
| 15:24.44 | azeem | 17:20 < azeem> Ben_Cs: does WinXP work on the same computer when you boot into it, or from a different computer? |
| 15:25.03 | geo-rge | that is... remove the cables from the machines first (so the switch doesn't learn) |
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| 15:25.17 | geo-rge | then swap the switch cables |
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| 15:25.31 | geo-rge | then swap the machine ends of those cables |
| 15:25.39 | jelly-home | geo-rge: (btw. how would cables create problems for Linux, but not for XP?) |
| 15:25.46 | Ben_Cs | azeem: yes |
| 15:25.58 | geo-rge | jelly-home: bad cable on the linux side |
| 15:26.02 | azeem | Ben_Cs: that was a "... or ..." question, so "yes" is not answer |
| 15:26.07 | azeem | +a |
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| 15:26.12 | jelly-home | geo-rge: the same machine? |
| 15:26.26 | azeem | maybe he got two nics, once for windows, one for linux |
| 15:26.28 | jelly-home | or have I missed something |
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| 15:26.53 | geo-rge | wait. he doesn't have -two- computers? hence reason he bought the -switch-? |
| 15:27.21 | geo-rge | if he had one computer, he wouldn't need the switch |
| 15:27.27 | azeem | geo-rge: why does it follow that when he got two computers, he wouldn't have windows and linux on the same machine? |
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| 15:27.54 | geo-rge | I thought he just got thru saying he had win on one and linux on the other |
| 15:28.06 | stew | Ben_Cs: "traceroute -n google.com" should work regardless |
| 15:28.06 | azeem | we didn't get a definite answer yet |
| 15:28.07 | Ben_Cs | azeem: same pc with dualboot of debian and winxp |
| 15:28.12 | geo-rge | ok, let's find out for sure |
| 15:28.13 | azeem | ok |
| 15:28.25 | Jefo | azeem: any idea where? |
| 15:28.29 | azeem | Jefo: no |
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| 15:28.56 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: why do you have a switch :) |
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| 15:29.06 | Ben_Cs | traceroute isn't installed, and i can't since don't have internet |
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| 15:29.19 | geo-rge | I'm just making sure my brain is screwed on straight |
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| 15:29.30 | gryfie | hi |
| 15:30.03 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: you have the switch connected to two computers and a dsl router, right? |
| 15:30.10 | jelly-home | Ben_Cs: is tracepath available? |
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| 15:30.42 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: had both PCs connected directly with cross-cable, but that caused random network drops. so i moved to switch. no network connection drops now. but no internet either |
| 15:30.50 | azeem | Ben_Cs: try "/usr/sbin/traceroute" |
| 15:30.59 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: indeed |
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| 15:31.14 | gryfie | x64 generates an error-message "XCreateImage failed" |
| 15:31.20 | Ben_Cs | tracepath available |
| 15:31.21 | geo-rge | ok, can we give names to the two machines? |
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| 15:31.40 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: you pick the names |
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| 15:31.49 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 15:32.07 | Haris | I set the default run-level to 2. Why is it still booting into gui/X? |
| 15:32.17 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: winnie is WinXP machine, and debbie, is debian machine |
| 15:32.25 | geo-rge | ok |
| 15:32.39 | geo-rge | does winnie have one operating system? |
| 15:32.40 | stew | Haris: debian treats all runlevels 2-5 the same by default, if you want to have them do something differently, you set that up yourself |
| 15:32.42 | dalias | remove xdm from the runlevels you don't want it in... |
| 15:32.56 | dalias | or better, just remove the xdm package if you don't intend to use it.. |
| 15:33.11 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: yes |
| 15:33.17 | stew | Ben_Cs: type "route -n" what is in the "gateway" column for the 0.0.0.0 line? |
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| 15:33.30 | geo-rge | ok, so winnie has only winxp |
| 15:33.36 | geo-rge | howbout debbie? |
| 15:33.38 | tuser | Vanilla etch install. I am missing a pkg/library to make 'etc/host.conf' work. strace says so. What is it? |
| 15:33.54 | Ben_Cs | stew: 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:34.06 | stew | Ben_Cs: if you run "ping 192.168.1.1" do you get packet loss? |
| 15:34.25 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: debbie has both winxp and debian |
| 15:34.55 | Ben_Cs | stew: no loss |
| 15:34.56 | geo-rge | does debbie only work properly when winxp is booted? |
| 15:35.06 | azeem | can somebody on testing maybe "apt-get install pymol && pymol", and tell me if it instantly segfaults? |
| 15:35.27 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: yes |
| 15:35.27 | jelly-home | azeem: arch no matter? |
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| 15:35.38 | azeem | jelly-home: well, i386 would be preferred |
| 15:35.51 | azeem | w42 |
| 15:35.52 | azeem | bah. |
| 15:35.55 | geo-rge | but both OSes on debbie can ping 192.168.1.1? |
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| 15:36.02 | jelly-home | azeem: good, cause I'd hate to reboot remotely into amd64 :-) |
| 15:36.07 | azeem | heh |
| 15:36.08 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: yes |
| 15:36.11 | stew | azeem: pymol 0.98+0.99rc6-2 on lenny/amd64 worked fine |
| 15:36.38 | geo-rge | also winnie always works? |
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| 15:36.44 | azeem | stew: did that one Depend on freeglut3? |
| 15:36.45 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: yes |
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| 15:36.59 | geo-rge | so heres what the problem is not... |
| 15:37.01 | stew | azeem: Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org lenny/main freeglut3 2.4.0-5.2 |
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| 15:37.27 | stew | Ben_Cs: 192.168.1.1 is your router, do you have a way to login to the web interface of your router and see what it's public ip address is? |
| 15:37.34 | geo-rge | it's not any net cards, it's not any cables on the switch, it's not the switch |
| 15:38.03 | Ben_Cs | stew: yes |
| 15:38.21 | Haris | stew: Ok, so what you mean is, if I want to boot into cli, I need to manually configure the runlevel? |
| 15:38.21 | stew | Ben_Cs: and even better would be if you could also find out what its gateway is |
| 15:38.26 | jelly-home | azeem: it (pymol_1.0-1_i386.deb) worked. |
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| 15:38.42 | azeem | jelly-home: which graphics driver, and do you have DRI? |
| 15:39.01 | stew | Haris: if you want one runlevel to be gui and one not, then yes, you have to configure one manually. if you just want cli always, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:39.09 | jelly-home | azeem: sshx, so obviously no hardware rendering |
| 15:39.15 | azeem | ok, thanks |
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| 15:39.43 | Ben_Cs | stew: i need to look in: List of DHCP Entries? |
| 15:40.20 | stew | Ben_Cs: no, it would be somewhere near the ip address of the router, and it would be similar to the router ip, probably with just the last number differing |
| 15:40.30 | geo-rge | does debbie have a different ip address when it |
| 15:40.33 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: what're the chances that one debian distro will have no such problem? |
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| 15:41.05 | geo-rge | is booted into debian than it does when it's booted into winxp? |
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| 15:41.47 | Haris | on redhat bash's systemwide file is /etc/bashrc. where is it on debian? |
| 15:41.49 | azeem | yeah, seems to be a DRI problem, damn |
| 15:41.55 | stew | if he doesn't have loss on his local layer-2 network, then the loss is somewhere on the other side of his router |
| 15:42.07 | geo-rge | or in the router |
| 15:42.17 | stew | azeem: i'm using intel, and it doesn't look like DRI is enabled, dunno why |
| 15:42.33 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: let me check this |
| 15:42.33 | azeem | stew: you mean when running pymol? |
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| 15:42.39 | azeem | but you have DRI on X? |
| 15:43.08 | stew | azeem: i mean pymol. i'm using a new thinkpad with an intel chip. when i run glxinfo it says direct rendering is not enabled |
| 15:43.19 | azeem | ok |
| 15:43.23 | Ben_Cs | stew: the closest to ehat u ask that i see is: "lan setup" which has ip address and subnet |
| 15:43.35 | stew | Ben_Cs: what is the ip address? |
| 15:43.39 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: this is a reach, because the dhcp server should be looking at the mac address of the card to know which ip to give back |
| 15:43.49 | Ben_Cs | stew: 192.168.1.1 |
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| 15:44.03 | stew | Ben_Cs: no, ok, we need the wan setup, not the lan setup |
| 15:44.11 | stew | Ben_Cs: the ip address it is using to talk to the cable modem |
| 15:44.22 | fas3r_ | someone use freeradius + sql for log ? i have problem i have no log in my radacct table if someone use it .... :-( ? |
| 15:44.36 | geo-rge | we're going to ping the router from outside? |
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| 15:45.12 | stew | geo-rge: since we know that the loss doesn't happen between him and the router, we are going to find the router's next hop and see if the loss happens there |
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| 15:45.18 | Ben_Cs | stew: the wan setup shows the ip that i get from internet provider |
| 15:45.34 | stew | Ben_Cs: yes, what is that ip, and what is the gateway ip for the internet provider |
| 15:45.45 | jelly-home | azeem: fwiw, I tried it on :0 on that machine (viewing via x11vnc), and it drew pretty ribbons with Wizard -> Demo -> Cartoon Ribbons |
| 15:45.54 | geo-rge | stew: but what happens when debbie has different IPs at different times? what happens at the switch? |
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| 15:46.25 | stew | geo-rge: i'm not sure what you are asking, but if he gets no packet loss when pinging his gateway, the problem isn't between him and the gateway |
| 15:46.33 | Ben_Cs | ip: 212.150.114.161,don't know about the gateway of provider |
| 15:46.53 | azeem | Ben_Cs: did you try "/usr/sbin/traceroute" now? |
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| 15:47.28 | geo-rge | I have zero packet loss on pinging that addr |
| 15:47.29 | Ben_Cs | azeem: will try in a moment |
| 15:47.50 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: same IPs on debbie on both OSs |
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| 15:48.06 | gryfie | hi vice brings the message "XCeateImage failed", when running x64 |
| 15:48.24 | gryfie | Is there a solution as a .deb ? |
| 15:48.31 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: so that should totally rule out any problem behind the router |
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| 15:49.40 | Ben_Cs | azeem: no command |
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| 15:49.49 | cr3 | anyone know if the *.d directory structure is defined in somekind of debian standard? |
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| 15:50.15 | geo-rge | which *.d? :) |
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| 15:50.21 | ^Timo^ | Evening |
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| 15:50.28 | ^Timo^ | i got a question. |
| 15:50.29 | stew | cr3: no, it depends on which particular one you are talking about. many of them are run using run-parts, but not all |
| 15:50.42 | ^Timo^ | how can i see which users there are logged in on my ssh. |
| 15:50.43 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: do you think that if i install Debian instead of Xubuntu, the problem will go away? |
| 15:50.46 | geo-rge | cr3: you could look at an old standard called fsstnd and a new one called fhs |
| 15:50.51 | cr3 | geo-rge: lots of directories under /etc end with .d, I think it means that other packages can add their own files in there |
| 15:50.52 | ^Timo^ | by which command. |
| 15:50.56 | ^Timo^ | i forgot :( |
| 15:50.59 | stew | Ben_Cs: this isn't a software problem |
| 15:51.10 | ^Timo^ | anyone ? |
| 15:51.12 | stew | do you get loss if you ping 212.150.114.161? |
| 15:51.19 | jelly-home | azeem: fwiw, it also works (with some GL glitches) on my i915GM with DRI. |
| 15:51.37 | cr3 | geo-rge: thanks for those references, I had forgotten about fhs |
| 15:51.49 | Ben_Cs | stew: how come not if WinXP works and Debian don't? what's the difference between WinXP and Debian if not soft? |
| 15:51.56 | jelly-home | ^Timo^: w |
| 15:51.56 | geo-rge | cr3: np |
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| 15:52.18 | ^Timo^ | jelly-home : ? |
| 15:52.19 | geo-rge | stew: are you thinking provider is trying to block linux? |
| 15:52.25 | stew | geo-rge: not at all |
| 15:52.27 | ^Timo^ | sorry for my questions last time. |
| 15:52.30 | jelly-home | ^Timo^: you asked for a command. |
| 15:52.31 | geo-rge | or not-windows and not-mac? |
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| 15:52.41 | stew | Ben_Cs: can you ping google with both machines to google at the same time, and get loss on linux and not in xp? |
| 15:52.43 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 15:52.50 | geo-rge | I have ben's question too |
| 15:53.06 | Ben_Cs | stew: no loss on 212.150.114.161 |
| 15:53.09 | stew | Ben_Cs: the fact that you don't get loss to 192.168.1.1 means the problem isn't local |
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| 15:53.18 | jelly-home | ^Timo^: the command is literally "w" |
| 15:53.43 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 15:54.30 | geo-rge | if we assume the networking stack works properly in the linux os he has, then there would have to be a difference in the packets that xp sends versus the ones the linux sends |
| 15:54.53 | stew | Ben_Cs: can you install traceroute? if "apt-get install traceroute" doesn't work, download the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/traceroute |
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| 15:55.02 | geo-rge | but maybe that's the very assumption that is bad |
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| 15:56.27 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: and when you look at the wan setup options, there is no netmask and no gateway? |
| 15:56.35 | vrv | Hello :) Is it possible somehow to save iptables configuration? because after rebooting it looks it all losted. |
| 15:57.14 | stew | vrv: there is iptables-save and iptables-restore |
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| 15:57.56 | tuser | Why would dig *not* open /etc/host.conf?? |
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| 15:58.15 | valdyn | tuser: why would it open /etc/host.conf? |
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| 15:58.31 | \amethyst | tuser: becaue dig queries name servers directly, and doesn't use the system resolver? |
| 15:58.33 | Ben_Cs_ | sorry about that |
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| 15:58.41 | Ben_Cs_ | pinged google.com from both PCs |
| 15:58.43 | vrv | thank you stew. am i need to include iptables-restore somewhere to restore configuration during boot? |
| 15:58.47 | geo-rge | stew: but the fact that booting the two different operating systems leads to the difference which is the problem, suggests otherwise |
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| 15:59.02 | tuser | It is supposed to define the order of files and dns for looking upo resolutions... |
| 15:59.11 | stew | geo-rge: yeah, i'm not believing that part |
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| 15:59.24 | cr3 | stew: do you think that .d directories are meant to mean that everything under there will be loaded? |
| 15:59.26 | valdyn | tuser: dig uses the resolver library? |
| 15:59.30 | geo-rge | yet that's the only difference |
| 15:59.39 | \amethyst | tuser: dig isn't a resolver, it is a DNS lookup program |
| 15:59.54 | stew | geo-rge: i don't believe the difference exists. i think the problem is intermittent |
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| 16:00.04 | stew | vrv: i'd recommend running it from a 'pre-up' line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 16:00.16 | tuser | what tool would user /hosts.conf , nsswitch to cause it to look in /etc/hosts first |
| 16:00.18 | pzn | Hi! I need to buy a PCI card for getting images of 4 security cameras (slow: around 5 frames/sec each) - the cameras have standard NTSC composite video connection. Can you recommend some PCI card manufacturer/model for using with debian for capturing+recording images compatible with debian etch (meaning: standard debian kernel has drivers)? |
| 16:00.19 | Ben_Cs_ | stew: but there's a difference non theless |
| 16:00.20 | stew | tuser: dig doesn't use the resolver library, it only queries dns |
| 16:00.23 | \amethyst | tuser: host |
| 16:00.30 | stew | tuser: getent hosts hostname |
| 16:00.33 | cr3 | stew: or, that everything under the directory can potentially be loaded but not necessarily everything? |
| 16:00.54 | jelly-home | \amethyst: host doesn't do the same thing libc resolver would either :-| |
| 16:00.57 | tuser | host doesn't open host.conf either... based upon strace of a lookup. |
| 16:01.04 | \amethyst | ah, getent then |
| 16:01.06 | stew | cr3: no, .d directories don't necessarily mean everything will be loaded. for instance, if they are run using run-parts, anything with a . in the name will be ignored |
| 16:01.07 | geo-rge | stew: my first definition of an "intermittant problem" was "when you least expect to be there, it's there... when you least expect it to go, it's gone" |
| 16:01.45 | geo-rge | the thing is we can predict with certainty when the problem is present or absent |
| 16:01.55 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: should i try make the router back to it's initial state: dsl modem? |
| 16:03.09 | efaistos | from 2.6.21 is there still a -xen- package for linux image or it's already inside the standard pkgs ? |
| 16:03.15 | stew | Ben_Cs_: please run "tracert google.com" on windows and show us the results: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:03.47 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs_: no... because it needs to do the masquerating so that the inside is 192.168.* |
| 16:04.08 | stew | Ben_Cs_: we don't yet have any reason to believe that the router is a problem |
| 16:04.33 | jelly-home | !blame avahi |
| 16:04.35 | _MrSeb_ | I've updated kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.22 and now I must do packet forwarding manually with echo, as the file sysctl.conf was not readed... someone has fixed or know how to use configuration file instead a script with the echo inside it? |
| 16:04.59 | tuser | \amethyst: 'host' also doesn't open host.conf .. based upon strace. |
| 16:05.33 | stew | tuser: getent hosts hostname |
| 16:05.53 | geo-rge | if the machines are not the problem and the router is not the problem, that leaves the modem, the line, the gateway on the other side |
| 16:05.58 | stew | _MrSeb_: does "sysctl -p" cause the setting from sysctl.conf to get loaded? |
| 16:06.11 | _MrSeb_ | stew: I go to try |
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| 16:07.11 | tuser | 'getent' worked... looking at trace.... |
| 16:07.52 | geo-rge | so is there also an UncleLiberal? |
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| 16:08.04 | nplus | I'm trying to boot testing CD1 recorded on a dvd-rw, can I do that? |
| 16:08.16 | _MrSeb_ | stew: yes, the file was read, but nothing is done, and the line output is correct: net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding = 1 |
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| 16:08.51 | Ben_Cs_ | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48786 |
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| 16:09.37 | tuser | stew: interesting trace. host & dig last open was resolv.conf. |
| 16:09.48 | geo-rge | so it gets past the problem |
| 16:10.17 | infernix | !ubuntu |
| 16:10.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:10.27 | tuser | stew: getent opened resolv.conf 4th and then nsswitch. The others stopped at resolv.conf |
| 16:10.32 | stew | Ben_Cs_: so you see that first line of * * *, its telling you that you are getting packet loss from windows too, so it's not a debian specific problem |
| 16:10.35 | n_np_ | DAMN STRAIGHT |
| 16:10.44 | n_np_ | go be a zulu warrior somewhere else. . . |
| 16:11.20 | Ben_Cs_ | stew: nevertheless winxp has internet connection on all ports |
| 16:11.36 | stew | Ben_Cs_: call your isp, and have them help you with your packet loss |
| 16:11.59 | n_np_ | on the other hand |
| 16:12.01 | Ben_Cs_ | stew: ok, but that's a minor issue |
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| 16:12.07 | n_np_ | i still cant get my xorg to display at hi res |
| 16:12.09 | n_np_ | ::/ |
| 16:12.14 | azeem | Ben_Cs_: what /is/ your major issue anyway? |
| 16:12.25 | n_np_ | azeem, hes using winxp |
| 16:12.30 | Ben_Cs_ | azeem: no internet on debian |
| 16:12.41 | stew | Ben_Cs_: you have internet, you said you were able to go to google in a webpage |
| 16:12.52 | azeem | n_np_: stop trolling, please |
| 16:13.00 | n_np_ | pardon me |
| 16:13.03 | stew | n_np_: which driver are you using? |
| 16:13.05 | n_np_ | im suffering from exam stress |
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| 16:13.08 | Ben_Cs_ | stew: i mean no normal connection on debian. |
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| 16:13.13 | n_np_ | its the one for my ati rage II |
| 16:13.15 | Wyzard | nplus: Yes, burning a "CD" iso on DVD media is fine |
| 16:13.23 | n_np_ | the radeon x300 pci-e wouldnt work at all |
| 16:13.25 | azeem | Ben_Cs_: did you setup DNS yet? |
| 16:13.29 | stew | Ben_Cs_: yes, the reason you are having trouble with your connection is that you have lots of packet loss. and only your isp can help you with that |
| 16:13.50 | stew | azeem: his dns works. he gets lots of packet loss. small pages like google.com work, but larger pages eventually timeout |
| 16:13.55 | Wyzard | nplus: There's nothing special or different about a "CD" iso vs. a "DVD" iso... DVDs can just hold more bytes |
| 16:13.58 | nplus | Wyzard: yeah, but I can't boot it :D |
| 16:14.04 | stew | n_np_: which driver are you using? |
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| 16:14.17 | Wyzard | nplus: How did you burn it? |
| 16:14.20 | n_np_ | stew the one that came with debian |
| 16:14.22 | Ben_Cs_ | stew: but still i have noticible trouble on debian, and no noticible trouble on winxp |
| 16:14.29 | geo-rge | it's not an intermittancy because we can predict that when the linux is booted we will get the packet loss |
| 16:14.29 | nplus | gnomebaker |
| 16:14.35 | Ben_Cs_ | azeem: it looks set up |
| 16:14.57 | azeem | Ben_Cs_: then describe your "noticible trouble" in more detail |
| 16:15.00 | stew | Ben_Cs_: you have an unacceptable amount of packet loss, which would explain the problem you are having with debian. |
| 16:15.21 | stew | n_np_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:15.30 | Wyzard | nplus: Put the disc in another computer and look at the files on it... do you see a bunch of files, or a single .iso file? |
| 16:15.33 | smhar | greetings to all |
| 16:15.38 | smhar | I have a basic question. I have a amd64 notebook, I installed debian using the netinstall cd, then changed the sources to lenny, installed the amd64 kernel and did a distupgrade. does this mean my system now is 64 bit? |
| 16:15.43 | stew | geo-rge: and with windows he also get's packet loss, as evidenced by the output of tracert |
| 16:15.58 | pumpkin0 | smhar: no, still 32Bit. |
| 16:16.02 | Wyzard | smhar: Not if you used the i386 installer, no |
| 16:16.10 | _MrSeb_ | how can I check because the settings in /etc/sysctl.conf are not loaded? |
| 16:16.11 | Ben_Cs_ | azeem: i have full internet access from winxp. i have almost no internet access from debian |
| 16:16.15 | geo-rge | stew: so it' |
| 16:16.20 | geo-rge | is the same? |
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| 16:16.48 | geo-rge | so his perception that windows is working properly is wrong?> |
| 16:16.51 | Wyzard | smhar: The "amd64" kernel in the 32-bit port of Debian is just optimized for the newer processors |
| 16:17.05 | geo-rge | or that he's failing to get loss |
| 16:17.32 | Wyzard | smhar: It might actually be a 64-bit kernel (I'm not sure) but even if it is, all the programs and libraries are still 32-bit |
| 16:17.36 | smhar | btw, uname -m says x86_64 |
| 16:17.37 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: No its a full 64 bit kernel |
| 16:17.48 | stew | geo-rge: he is getting loss, tracert showed dropped packets on the first hop |
| 16:17.49 | Wyzard | OK, I'd wondered about that |
| 16:18.13 | h3sp4wn | Its not particularly difficult to compile on either with kernel-package |
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| 16:18.46 | h3sp4wn | -arch=amd64 --cross-compile=- (and use linux64 make menuconfig) |
| 16:18.47 | smhar | Wyzard, pumpkin0, so how to convert it to 64 bit system? |
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| 16:19.01 | Wyzard | smhar: You'd need to reinstall using the amd64 installer |
| 16:19.02 | stew | _MrSeb_: so before you run "sysctl -p", "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/forwarding" returns 0? then you run "sysctl -p" and it still returns 0? |
| 16:19.28 | pumpkin0 | smhar: why doy ou want a 64Bit system on a laptop ? |
| 16:19.31 | smhar | Wyzard, no way to convert existing installation? |
| 16:19.39 | h3sp4wn | smhar: do you have 4gb ram ? |
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| 16:19.41 | Wyzard | smhar: no |
| 16:19.45 | _MrSeb_ | stew: yes, nothing change... I will retry with ipv6, so I don't get disconnected |
| 16:19.50 | smhar | pumpkin0, I do not know |
| 16:19.59 | h3sp4wn | smhar: (that is the only reason I use a 64 bit kernel here with 32 bit userland) |
| 16:20.00 | smhar | h3sp4wn, no, 2 gb |
| 16:20.06 | stew | _MrSeb_: you wouldn't get disconnected |
| 16:20.17 | pumpkin0 | smhar: stay with 32Bit. 64Bit is not worth it for you. |
| 16:20.28 | bluesceada | hmm |
| 16:20.34 | stew | _MrSeb_: you are running "sysctl -p" as root? |
| 16:20.38 | bluesceada | which is the package to pull in all the xorg components? |
| 16:20.45 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: It's not quite that simple... 32-bit kernels can use more than 4GB physical RAM; the difference is in virtual address space |
| 16:20.48 | stew | bluesceada: aptitude install xorg |
| 16:20.50 | bluesceada | the right package.. there seem to be multiple |
| 16:20.58 | sam_home | if you boot debian from a external harddisk over a USB connection will it run slowly? |
| 16:21.03 | bluesceada | and what does xserver-xorg do then hmm |
| 16:21.05 | smhar | pumpkin0, I thought it is logical to use 64bit since it means I will fully use my system capabilities |
| 16:21.11 | Wyzard | sam_home: Probably, since USB isn't all that fast |
| 16:21.18 | geo-rge | stew: shows that on winnie too? |
| 16:21.21 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: I don't want to use PAE |
| 16:21.24 | bluesceada | if i want to upgrade "xorg" as unstable ... there wont change anything except the xorg package |
| 16:21.28 | Wyzard | sam_home: eSATA or FireWire would be preferable |
| 16:21.33 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: Why not? |
| 16:21.34 | atoponce | why do some rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ have a 'z' prepended? |
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| 16:21.49 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: overhead |
| 16:21.52 | bluesceada | stew: if i want to have all the xorg packages unstable, what would i do? |
| 16:21.55 | _MrSeb_ | stew: I get disconnect (or very lagged), becuase I'm behind server... yes I'm root, I've retryed now and the result is the same, I must do echo manually |
| 16:22.01 | stew | Ben_Cs_: that output from tracert that you put in the pastebin, did it come from 'winnie' or 'debbie'? |
| 16:22.28 | stew | bluesceada: you are running stable? |
| 16:22.36 | pumpkin0 | smhar: the first thing 64Bit does is enlarge all programms. You lose RAM that way. And the CPU is not really faster in 64Bit mode. And you lose nearly all closed source things (like graphicsdrivers, flash... but there are replacments). |
| 16:22.45 | atoponce | eg: /etc/udev/rules.d/z50_run.rules |
| 16:22.46 | Ben_Cs_ | stew: winnie |
| 16:22.47 | bluesceada | stew: no, lenny/testing |
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| 16:22.50 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: I doubt it's that significant... and PAE mode also lets you use your processor's NX feature, to help avoid buffer overflows |
| 16:22.54 | atoponce | what is the 'z' for? |
| 16:22.54 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: most stuff is ok like this you have to mess around alittle for kernel modules (like using the nvidia-kernel-source from the amd64 one) |
| 16:22.55 | smhar | Wyzard, pumpkin0 h3sp4wn , so in my current situation, if I installed a 32bit kernel and distupgrade, does this mean I will be back to 'normal'? |
| 16:22.59 | stew | geo-rge: then yes. he is getting packet loss on 'winnie' too |
| 16:23.08 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: So does the amd64 kernel though afaik |
| 16:23.11 | Wyzard | smhar: You're fine as you are... there's nothing wrong with the kernel you're running |
| 16:23.14 | pumpkin0 | smhar: you are more or less at "normal". |
| 16:23.16 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs_: ok, good... what os is debbie running now? |
| 16:23.22 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: makes sense |
| 16:23.26 | smhar | pumpkin0, you are right here, I've spent more than 4 days already trying to get the ati driver to work |
| 16:23.50 | geo-rge | stew: looks like you found it... let's sew it up and make sure... |
| 16:23.51 | pumpkin0 | smhar: you will spend less time with 64Bit cause it will not work at all under 64Bit. |
| 16:23.53 | bluesceada | hm |
| 16:24.15 | Wyzard | smhar: From my experience, btw, amd64 Debian works fine; the only things I've noticed "missing" are Flash, the browser plugin for Sun Java, and Google Earth |
| 16:24.33 | Wyzard | smhar: dunno about pumpkin0's problems with the ATI driver, but the nVidia driver works fine |
| 16:24.36 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: live cd DSL linux |
| 16:24.39 | smhar | Wyzard, and youtube |
| 16:24.45 | Wyzard | smhar: I've been running amd64 Debian since January |
| 16:24.48 | Wyzard | smhar: yeah, that's Flash |
| 16:25.05 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: wanted to test if make difference |
| 16:25.21 | Wyzard | smhar: unstable has a Flash package that loads the 32-bit plugin via nspluginwrapper, btw |
| 16:25.48 | Wyzard | smhar: It worked (including YouTube) back when the package was first introduced, but it doesn't seem to work for me anymore... I haven't bothered troubleshooting it to figure out why |
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| 16:25.55 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs_: ok, just for kicks, run a traceroute there (pls label it debbie dsl linux) |
| 16:25.56 | stew | bluesceada: you can "/msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix" however note that you should be very weary about what you install from unstable. you also should note that the latest xorg in unstable is causing a lot of problems for people, especially those trying to use non-free drivers |
| 16:26.21 | smhar | Wyzard, flash is not critical to me now, I can wait or even live without google earth, and youtube, but ati driver and wifi is more important |
| 16:26.27 | geo-rge | and finally reboot debbie into xp once more, and pastebin the same traceroute |
| 16:26.43 | geo-rge | label that one debbie xp |
| 16:26.53 | bluesceada | stew: um i know how to do pinning, the problem is, that i need a package that really will pull in all the xorg unstable packages |
| 16:27.13 | Wyzard | smhar: yeah... I just use my laptop (which is 32-bit) on the infrequent occasions when I really need Flash or a Java applet |
| 16:27.33 | Wyzard | smhar: So your main issue is fglrx, I guess |
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| 16:28.00 | stew | bluesceada: 'xorg' is that package |
| 16:28.02 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs_: stew is predicting you'll get that one problem at the very beginning in both cases |
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| 16:28.10 | atoponce | ahh, so the numbers in /etc/udev/rules.d/ are assigned to executed in order when the kernel boots? |
| 16:28.10 | stew | no i'm not |
| 16:28.12 | smhar | Wyzard, I tried both fglrx and the ati driver both didn't work, I am sure I am missing something |
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| 16:28.25 | bluesceada | stew: no it doesnt, it just updates itself to unstable |
| 16:28.25 | h3sp4wn | smhar: some stuff is actually slower (as you don't get the optimised assembler parts) (or doesn't run at all under amd64 - without a chroot) that I use - e.g mit-scheme (not 64 bit safe) , sdlmame (no assembler optimisation) very little difference with most apps |
| 16:28.29 | geo-rge | no? so you're interested in the results? |
| 16:28.34 | Wyzard | smhar: fglrx and... what, the open-source aTI driver? |
| 16:28.35 | atoponce | thus, z would be after a which would be after any number? |
| 16:28.47 | stew | geo-rge: i'm not predicting when the losses will occur. just that random unpredictable loss will occur in either case |
| 16:29.09 | geo-rge | what would that indicate? |
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| 16:29.14 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: The only things I've encountered that don't run on amd64 are the aforementioned closed-source apps: Flash, Java plugin, and Google Earth |
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| 16:29.26 | stew | geo-rge: he seems to sometimes get no loss, he said in one intance he was getting a 6 percent loss in debian once an 11% loss, his traceroute from windows showed an 8 percent loss |
| 16:29.39 | jelly-home | atoponce: s/when the kernel boots/when udev starts/, but yes |
| 16:29.43 | smhar | Wyzard, fglrx and the ati driver frm ati site |
| 16:29.46 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: mit-scheme is only in i386 (and I have to use it) |
| 16:30.00 | atoponce | jelly-home: yeah. :) |
| 16:30.01 | atoponce | thx |
| 16:30.05 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: and although I haven't benchmarked 32-bit vs. 64-bit performance, I've noticed no performance problems |
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| 16:30.12 | fas3r_ | it's possible to use passwd file for make authentification in php ? |
| 16:30.35 | Wyzard | smhar: The driver from ATI's site *is* fglrx... 32 vs. 64 aside, stick with the packaged version |
| 16:30.44 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: I haven't (just things I need to run that are not 64 bit safe) psyco is another example (without it openembedded is far too painful) |
| 16:31.00 | stew | actually wait, that windows one showed loss on the lan, didn't it |
| 16:31.02 | atoponce | jelly-home: how large can the numbers/letters be? eg: 99999_somerule.rules and zzzzzzz_somerule.rules? |
| 16:31.03 | n_np_ | is there a keypress to pause aptitude ? |
| 16:31.05 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: (I did run 64 bit with a chroot but it was annoying) |
| 16:31.13 | atoponce | although, that might be a bit extreme, just curious |
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| 16:31.24 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: openssl scales properly to 64 bit |
| 16:31.25 | Ben_Cs_ | dsl no working properly |
| 16:31.41 | geo-rge | stew: the very first hop timed out |
| 16:31.49 | stew | geo-rge: yeah, and that would have been 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:32.02 | smhar | Wyzard, you mean the one from the 'one-liner'? |
| 16:32.22 | Wyzard | smhar: yeah |
| 16:32.29 | stew | Ben_Cs_: can you leave the ping to 192.168.1.1 running and see if you ever get loss? (becuase the traceroute from windows seems to indicate you do) |
| 16:32.37 | _MrSeb_ | stew: I've resolved... with kernel 2.6.8 the setting was "net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1", with the kernel 2.6.22 work with "net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1"... thanks anyway |
| 16:32.39 | Wyzard | smhar: That's ATI's driver from their website, packaged for Debian |
| 16:32.43 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: again, what do i write in winxp to trace root? |
| 16:33.06 | geo-rge | that's debbie? |
| 16:33.07 | Wyzard | smhar: You're having trouble with that on your current 32-bit system? |
| 16:33.14 | geo-rge | put debbie xp :) |
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| 16:33.33 | stew | Ben_Cs_: tracert |
| 16:33.34 | Wyzard | smhar: Note that fglrx has a pretty poor reputation for quality in general... nVidia's Linux driver is much better |
| 16:33.35 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: i'm in xp on debbie |
| 16:33.53 | smhar | Wyzard, as I understand now, I have a 32bit debian with a 64bit kernel, and yes this is the system I am having trouble with |
| 16:34.06 | Wyzard | smhar: What about with a 32-bit kernel, like the -686 one? |
| 16:34.09 | geo-rge | ok, so please label it debbie xp |
| 16:34.24 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs_\ |
| 16:34.30 | smhar | Wyzard, I had nvidia card before, in my desktop, but this notebook has a builtin radeon controller |
| 16:34.36 | efaistos | from 2.6.21 is there still a -xen- package for linux image or it's already inside the standard linux image pkg ? |
| 16:34.42 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: no need to paste it. same result as on winnie |
| 16:34.44 | Wyzard | smhar: ah, yeah, those are popular in laptops |
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| 16:34.54 | smhar | Wyzard, didn't try that |
| 16:35.04 | Wyzard | smhar: Hopefully the specs that ATI is releasing will result in a better driver |
| 16:35.06 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs_: so a row of *s on the first hop? |
| 16:35.22 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: is |
| 16:35.25 | Ben_Cs_ | yes |
| 16:35.36 | smhar | Wyzard, I was optimistic because amd bought ati , and amd is supportive of linux |
| 16:36.12 | pumpkin0 | smhar: it will take another year even if AMD pushes it... |
| 16:36.32 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs_: so both machines get that |
| 16:36.43 | geo-rge | under xp even |
| 16:37.18 | Ben_Cs_ | geo-rge: yes |
| 16:37.20 | geo-rge | do me a quick favor |
| 16:37.25 | smhar | pumpkin0, this only means that after one year I will have an even better system installed on my notebook |
| 16:37.28 | geo-rge | that switch, |
| 16:37.38 | geo-rge | pull power from it and reconnect it |
| 16:38.26 | geo-rge | then try ping test from one of the machines |
| 16:38.33 | pumpkin0 | smhar: ... i went the other way and got a laptop with a stone-old radeon. That one is supported very well by opensoucre drivers. My next will have a intel-gfx. |
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| 16:39.26 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: did that |
| 16:40.09 | geo-rge | ok, same result? |
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| 16:40.35 | geo-rge | (have to rule out the switch) |
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| 16:41.00 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: same result |
| 16:41.04 | john_doe | how do I take a binary backup of my partition table? |
| 16:41.19 | geo-rge | ok, the switch is ok |
| 16:41.27 | stew | Ben_Cs_: can you run "ping 192.168.1.1" and leave it running for a minute or two and see if you get any packet loss or not? |
| 16:41.48 | stew | geo-rge: how do you know the switch is ok? becuase if it wasn't ok power cycling would have fixed it? |
| 16:42.09 | azeem | or try to plug debbie into the dsl router directly for a while |
| 16:42.14 | geo-rge | actually that's a good point |
| 16:42.15 | jair | has anyone here set up FAI ? |
| 16:42.16 | h3sp4wn | john_doe: use dd its the first 512 bytes |
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| 16:42.35 | john_doe | h3sp4wn: could you help me a bit more, please? |
| 16:42.44 | somian[0] | john_doe: $ man dd |
| 16:42.45 | Ben_Cs | azeem: will try to plug debian directly to router |
| 16:42.46 | Ben_Cs | brb |
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| 16:43.01 | geo-rge | stew: I forgot to consider the possibility the switch has permanent damage |
| 16:43.09 | azeem | Ben_Cs: try stew's suggestions firt |
| 16:43.11 | h3sp4wn | john_doe: bs=512 count=1 |
| 16:43.14 | jair | I am setting up FAI for first time and I have the following qustions => reading through the fai's guide I see "no install nfsroot in a normal system" what exactly is in my case a "normal system"? the install client? or the install server? |
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| 16:43.32 | jair | and also it is not clear if I need or not to install this => The suggested packages for FAI are: debmirror, mknbi, apt-move, mkisofs, grub, aptitude.? |
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| 16:44.00 | smhar | Wyzard, pumpkin0 I got to go now, an urgent meeting. I will be back soon and I will give fglrx another good try |
| 16:44.04 | john_doe | h3sp4wn: dd bs=512 count=1 <device> ? |
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| 16:44.06 | smhar | thanks to all |
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| 16:44.51 | h3sp4wn | john_doe: read the man page |
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| 16:45.32 | john_doe | ok, I need if and of |
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| 16:46.21 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: how's it workin now |
| 16:46.24 | n_np_ | does aptitude store downloaded packages somewhere for backup? |
| 16:46.37 | azeem | n_np_: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:46.38 | Ben_Cs | ok tried connectin debbie directly to router. same thing |
| 16:46.40 | somian[0] | n_np_: yes |
| 16:46.57 | n_np_ | is it possible to integrate aptitude into my own distribution? |
| 16:47.06 | azeem | n_np_: depends |
| 16:47.19 | geo-rge | ok, that means the problem we're experiencing is not in switch |
| 16:47.23 | stew | Ben_Cs_: can you run 'ping 192.168.1.1' and leave it running for a minute or two and tell me if you get packet loss? |
| 16:47.24 | n_np_ | aah ok |
| 16:47.52 | somian[0] | Hola solid_liq |
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| 16:48.05 | Ben_Cs | my feeling is that's a problem concerning debian with router. when had debian connected with router configured as dsl modem (without the switch) all was fine |
| 16:48.14 | Ben_Cs | stew"; ok |
| 16:48.35 | stew | Ben_Cs: yeah but you are also having problems with windows, as tracert is demonstrating, so its not something to do with debian |
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| 16:49.06 | geo-rge | Ben_Cs: the results show that os and machine don't play a role in the problem, nor does switch |
| 16:49.12 | Ben_Cs | stew: but the problem is much bigger in debian |
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| 16:49.34 | geo-rge | debian has a grander way of showing it :) |
| 16:49.39 | Ben_Cs | geo-rge: so it's the router then? |
| 16:49.45 | stew | Ben_Cs: it doesn't seem to be. you have said you get 6-11% packet loss in debian and 8% in windows, seems about the same |
| 16:50.09 | Ben_Cs | stew: but i can surf then net on windows |
| 16:50.12 | geo-rge | or the cable from the switch to the router (but that's a -big- long stretch) |
| 16:50.13 | stew | Ben_Cs: ok |
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| 16:50.45 | stew | Ben_Cs_: can you run 'ping 192.168.1.1' and leave it running for a minute or two and tell me if you get packet loss? |
| 16:50.52 | Ben_Cs | stew: left it some time pinging 192.168.1.1 no loss |
| 16:51.08 | geo-rge | what was min/max/avg? |
| 16:51.14 | stew | that doens't matter |
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| 16:51.33 | geo-rge | just trying to see if it's reasonable |
| 16:52.02 | stew | Ben_Cs: can you now do the same with 62.90.133.65 and see if you get any loss? |
| 16:53.59 | Ben_Cs | i want to try what if i turn my router back to basic modem config |
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| 16:54.16 | Ben_Cs | stew: no loss |
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| 16:55.53 | sulo | Hi |
| 16:56.17 | stew | Ben_Cs: but when you ping 64.233.167.99, you get loss? |
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| 16:57.27 | sulo | I want to install etch on my fujitsu siemens amilo pro 3525 laptop. I would just like to ask, if there is any support for power settings in debian 4.0r1, i.e. if you can set how much of the processor's capacity that's currently being used? |
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| 16:58.55 | michela | hi, does anyone have this public key? Can't update debian and none of the key servers I know about are changing it |
| 16:58.58 | Silvia | how many dummy interfaces can you have up? |
| 16:58.58 | michela | B5D0C804ADB11277 |
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| 16:59.05 | jelly-home | sulo: there is some support for intel's enhanced speedstep technology and amd's powernow |
| 16:59.29 | sulo | jelly-home ok. should be intel, since the amilo has an inel chipset |
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| 17:03.39 | somian[0] | I heard that jelly-home could help me wrt |
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| 17:03.57 | somian[0] | ...the gnome desktop applet clock and why, on his debian machine, he cannot get it to display in local time. |
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| 17:13.23 | gemidjy | what's on the 4 debian dvds? can I check somewhere? |
| 17:13.39 | fasta | Is there a webserver that's not called Apache or Lighttpd and can call cgi scripts? |
| 17:13.44 | stew | gemidjy: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 17:14.07 | somian[0] | Sure, fasta -- but I couldn't tell you what. |
| 17:14.14 | stew | fasta: apt-cache showpkg httpd-cgi |
| 17:14.38 | stew | fasta: look at the 'reverse provides' section |
| 17:14.42 | fasta | stew: thanks |
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| 17:14.54 | somian[0] | Cl3v3r |
| 17:15.00 | fasta | I hate software that claim to do something, when in fact they can't. |
| 17:16.38 | fasta | stew: oh, it also needs to do aliases. |
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| 17:18.02 | drizzd | since my last apt-get upgrade, the flash plugin doesn't work any more in firefox (instead of the app there is just blank space), even though it does work in mozilla. any ideas? |
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| 17:18.39 | stew | fasta: i don't know |
| 17:18.43 | stew | drizzd: how did you install flash? |
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| 17:19.04 | drizzd | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:19.15 | L0cKn | :_D |
| 17:19.22 | L0cKn | drizzd: re-install :-) |
| 17:19.25 | jelly-home | somian[0]: I heard that people shouldn't paste other people's nicks without good reason. |
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| 17:19.46 | drizzd | lenny version, on amd64 |
| 17:19.50 | somian[0] | Annoyed, jelly-home ?? I am surprised. |
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| 17:20.09 | drizzd | L0cKn: ok |
| 17:20.11 | Kasidy | hi |
| 17:20.18 | somian[0] | jelly-home: if this was unwelcome then you should let your pals know not to reference you in other channels. |
| 17:20.30 | somian[0] | jelly-home: or maybe spend some time off irc entirely ... |
| 17:20.36 | L0cKn | and during the installation, close firefox |
| 17:20.37 | L0cKn | :-) |
| 17:20.41 | L0cKn | (IceWeasel) |
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| 17:20.42 | jelly-home | somian[0]: different channels have different customs |
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| 17:20.57 | Kasidy | what is the comand of center in especific directory in the terminal? |
| 17:21.10 | stew | drizzd: there is no flash plugin for amd64, it shouldn't be working in either |
| 17:21.24 | ravn | anyone can help me; I have a problem with USB mass storage devices (memory sticks): They won't load. I havn't got /dev/sd* devices and /proc/bus/usb/devices shows nothing. This used to work so that they were mounted automatically in my GNOME environment but now nothing. I just can not understand all that stuff on the net about the USB interface in Linux. My system is Debian/Lenny/L2.6.24. Any thoughts? |
| 17:21.29 | somian[0] | Oh, I see. So arbitrary customs are what we rely on to back up bitchiness now? |
| 17:21.38 | somian[0] | That's a convincing argument, jelly-home |
| 17:21.44 | drizzd | well then it's running the 32-bit version. it's in the amd64 package pool, in any case |
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| 17:21.54 | jelly-home | somian[0]: they're not arbitrary. If you want help here, ask the channel. |
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| 17:22.54 | stew | somian[0]: jelly-home: take it elsewhere, or use /ignore |
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| 17:23.00 | jelly-home | ack |
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| 17:24.35 | somian[0] | -> [16:36] * somian[0] swears softly at the gnome desktop applet clock and wonders why, on his debian machine, he cannot get it to display in local time. |
| 17:25.18 | somian[0] | A couple of biatches added, I'll have to remember to add enouf over in ##linux-coders as well. |
| 17:25.43 | somian[0] | Oh wait ... |
| 17:25.49 | stew | somian[0]: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:25.56 | somian[0] | he's already there. |
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| 17:26.43 | Firestarter- | what package is unix2dos in for debian? |
| 17:26.49 | azeem | !search |
| 17:26.50 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:26.54 | enouf | try tofrodos |
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| 17:29.09 | Caelum | anyone know if I can get xcutsel to work with the clipboard? |
| 17:29.27 | somian[0] | Haya Caelum! LTNS! ... hmm, I am not sure offhand |
| 17:29.40 | Caelum | hey somian! :) |
| 17:29.46 | somian[0] | Caelum: long time since I worked with that utility. |
| 17:29.54 | drizzd | L0cKn: wow, it worked. thanks |
| 17:30.02 | L0cKn | drizzd: :-) |
| 17:30.05 | L0cKn | no problem |
| 17:30.11 | somian[0] | How have you been doing, man? It's good to see you. ( Caelum ) |
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| 17:30.17 | Silvia | anyone how knows about iptables routing?. |
| 17:30.17 | Silvia | I wanna redirect all traffic to destination IPPUBLIC (eth0) to br0 destination 192.168.1.3 |
| 17:30.17 | Silvia | and all traffic from 192.168.1.3 (br0) to eth0 changing 192.168.1.3 to IPPULBIC |
| 17:30.32 | Silvia | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i br0 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to IPPUBLIC |
| 17:30.32 | Silvia | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -d IPPUBLIC -j DNAT -o br0 --to 192.168.1.3 |
| 17:30.39 | Silvia | would works? |
| 17:30.43 | Caelum | somian[0]: still alive, more or less, if it can be called life... |
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| 17:30.55 | somian[0] | At first glance it looks ok-ish, Silvia |
| 17:31.01 | uttara | can anybody tell me how I can get rid of "GPG Error" messages that I get when adding repositories to sources.list file? |
| 17:31.14 | Silvia | somian[0], a lot.... |
| 17:31.31 | Silvia | somian[0], iptables ...are very hard... |
| 17:31.34 | Silvia | :) |
| 17:31.42 | somian[0] | You've got the right table (nat), at least, Silvia |
| 17:32.00 | Silvia | is basic that |
| 17:33.04 | stew | uttara: /topic |
| 17:33.12 | stew | Silvia: you should try #iptables |
| 17:33.13 | somian[0] | Always have to test iptables rule changes, Silvia ... for me at least it is still an art |
| 17:33.41 | Caelum | ahh I figured out my problem, if I just run klipper it will automatically sync selection to clipboard! |
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| 17:34.21 | somian[0] | Caelum: my solution on gnome is very similar, i guess: glipper. I use it dozens of times every day, it is totally indispensible to me. |
| 17:34.41 | Caelum | cool :) I'm actually using gnome too |
| 17:35.00 | rocketmagnet | what's glipper ? |
| 17:35.27 | somian[0] | Great. Yeah, this thing is a real niche that needed to be filled ...the X11 clipboard situation is so quirky bec. of historical chaos |
| 17:35.28 | stew | rocketmagnet: apt-cache show glipper |
| 17:36.06 | somian[0] | rocketmagnet: /msg dpkg glipper |
| 17:36.26 | rocketmagnet | stew: nice =) |
| 17:36.30 | DawnLight[ | i have debian installed as the only OS on a HDD and i will install windows on the same HDD. i am affraid that windows might override grub. what to do? |
| 17:36.49 | rocketmagnet | DawnLight[: the correct way is to first install windows then linux |
| 17:37.09 | somian[0] | DawnLight: IIRC, you have to allow Windwoes to nuke grub and then reinstall it afterwards. |
| 17:37.15 | rocketmagnet | but it's not a problem with grup, you just need your linux install cds to boot and rerun grup |
| 17:37.18 | rocketmagnet | grub |
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| 17:37.45 | assasukasse | hi all, is there somoene that has experience on getting a smartlink modem work on etch? |
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| 17:38.17 | somian[0] | Hmmm, dpkg seems to be asleep |
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| 17:38.24 | stew | !test |
| 17:38.24 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:38.24 | DawnLight[ | what, should i boot into debian installer and use the last step to install grub after installing windows? |
| 17:38.25 | rocketmagnet | stew: can apt search for tags ? because the command you showed me lists Tags |
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| 17:38.37 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I invoke a shell script from within a Java program ? |
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| 17:38.44 | DawnLight[ | aptitude can search tags |
| 17:38.50 | rocketmagnet | Jemt: #java ? |
| 17:38.52 | stew | rocketmagnet: use ept-cache for that |
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| 17:39.13 | somian[0] | DawnLight: I'm not an expert on grub, but i think one of the docus most recommended methods is to make a grub floppy and boot to that, to reinstall it to the mbr |
| 17:39.25 | stew | Jemt: with java.lang.Runtime.exec, but you really should ask in ##java, not here |
| 17:39.28 | Absolute0 | can someone please paste the default /etc/apt/source.list file? |
| 17:39.40 | stew | Absolute0: there is no default. /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:39.44 | somian[0] | DawnLight[: of course, that assumes you *have* a floppy drive ;-( |
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| 17:40.04 | Jemt | stew: Thanks, I will :) |
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| 17:40.27 | DawnLight[ | i have a floppy drive, but not any floppies! |
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| 17:40.38 | Absolute0 | was i kicked? |
| 17:40.46 | somian[0] | DawnLight[: heh, there's that problem too ;-/ |
| 17:40.54 | stew | Absolute0: no, "Absolute0 has left #debian" |
| 17:41.08 | rocketmagnet | Absolute0: 19:50 -!- Absolute0 [n=ramin@pool-71-247-138-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has left #debian [] |
| 17:41.09 | Absolute0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.23 | Absolute0 | dpkg sources.list |
| 17:41.24 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:41.27 | DawnLight[ | somian[0]: okay, after i get a hold of a floppy, how do i install grub on it? |
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| 17:42.05 | somian[0] | I don't know, DawnLight[ -- am not a walking manpage. But you have manpages or Inet access, so use them. |
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| 17:42.25 | nunu | Hi, I got a little problem in debian stable .. vlc gets memory acces errors almost all the time |
| 17:42.49 | nunu | got an ati graphics card, and i use the linux "ati" driver |
| 17:42.52 | stew | DawnLight[: man grub-floppy |
| 17:42.55 | rocketmagnet | DawnLight[: i think you need the 'dd' command |
| 17:43.39 | DawnLight[ | thanks folks!!! |
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| 17:44.37 | Absolute0 | can someone please paste the default /etc/apt/sources.list file for etch, i cant find anything useful on google... |
| 17:45.10 | Absolute0 | *the one that comes with the ftp install of etch |
| 17:45.15 | nunu | what command line gives me the graphics card I use ? |
| 17:45.17 | stew | Absolute0: there isn't a default |
| 17:45.19 | Absolute0 | i installed from cdrom and instead i got the cd ones |
| 17:45.24 | Absolute0 | stew: just give me yours |
| 17:45.36 | stew | Absolute0: look at what dpkg said |
| 17:45.49 | Absolute0 | i dont know what mirrors i need to use |
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| 17:46.02 | stew | Absolute0: pick one in same country as you |
| 17:46.11 | Absolute0 | dpkg mirrors |
| 17:46.11 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 17:46.12 | somian[0] | Absolute0: try netselect-apt |
| 17:46.24 | somian[0] | I think that's the name of the tool |
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| 17:48.27 | Absolute0 | stew: aren't there supposed to be to security lines in sources.list? |
| 17:48.36 | stew | Absolute0: yes |
| 17:48.41 | Absolute0 | dpkg only lists one |
| 17:48.51 | stew | Absolute0: yes, there is only one |
| 17:48.52 | Silvia | anyone who can help me routing with iptables? |
| 17:49.00 | Absolute0 | 2 or one, make up your mind :) |
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| 17:49.14 | Absolute0 | *two |
| 17:49.22 | stew | dpkg: tell Absolute0 about sources.list |
| 17:49.50 | Ben_Cs | well, tried to connect debian directly to router - problem persists. tried to config router as regular dsl modem - only 1 pc can dial connection at a time and use it. so my guess is that linux can't talk correctly to my router |
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| 17:50.53 | fasta | Is there an easy way to see the default configuration files that darcsweb installs? |
| 17:51.17 | fasta | (without moving and reinstalling files) |
| 17:52.32 | stew | Ben_Cs: so when you ping 62.90.133.65 you don't get loss but when you ping 64.233.167.99 you get loss? |
| 17:52.45 | Ben_Cs | maybe i'll just use debian with vmware on xp? |
| 17:52.57 | Ben_Cs | lemme check |
| 17:53.01 | enouf | so .. i seems some tard (who shall remain unnamed for now) has no friggin clue about the differences between hwclock, time, date, localtime, ntp, ntpdate .. and how any/all affect a VM running on wintendos ...rofl |
| 17:53.18 | enouf | ok, got it.. carry on ;-) |
| 17:53.22 | dvs | enouf: stop insulting me!!! ;-) |
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| 17:53.45 | stew | enouf: name calling isn't going to be tollerated here. in the future keep it constructive, and on-topic |
| 17:54.29 | Ben_Cs | stew: from xp on debbie i got no loss this time |
| 17:54.34 | Ben_Cs | on both |
| 17:54.59 | stew | Ben_Cs: so you have intermittent packet loss. talk to your isp |
| 17:55.26 | lakcaj | fasta, dpkg -L darcsweb | grep etc |
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| 17:55.33 | lakcaj | if you have it installed already |
| 17:55.37 | Ben_Cs | stew: ok |
| 17:55.58 | Ben_Cs | thnks stew and all for the effort :) |
| 17:56.04 | fasta | lakcaj: I meant the content of the original files |
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| 17:56.32 | fasta | (which are stored in the packages somewhere) |
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| 17:57.49 | Absolute0 | someone in here told me before that to get real looking windows fonts i need to install another pkg on top of the ms-ttf pkg, anyone knows what it is? |
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| 17:58.30 | epsilon | "real looking windows fonts"? |
| 17:58.45 | Absolute0 | well times new roman in OO looks like crap |
| 17:58.55 | Absolute0 | compared to the ones in windows |
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| 17:59.27 | lakcaj | fasta, if you have the original .deb, you can extract the contents with "ar x packagename.deb" and then dig around in there |
| 17:59.35 | Absolute0 | bitstream is nice but i need times new roman to be compatible with the ms word standard |
| 18:00.01 | lakcaj | fasta, you should be able to find the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 18:00.30 | fasta | lakcaj: ok, thanks. It's not needed anymore, though; my original problem is solved. |
| 18:00.38 | SuperSSS | I am wondering how do i confirm changes made to grub's menu.lst ? something like "save" ? |
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| 18:01.16 | stew | SuperSSS: how are you changing menu.lst? |
| 18:02.02 | epsilon | update-grub? |
| 18:02.04 | jelly-home | Absolute0: apart from msttcorefonts? |
| 18:02.09 | SuperSSS | yes |
| 18:02.20 | SuperSSS | update-grub nullifies my modifications |
| 18:02.29 | epsilon | man update-grub |
| 18:02.29 | SuperSSS | I added "panic=10" to the kernel line |
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| 18:02.45 | jelly-home | SuperSSS: put them above the automatic part (see the comments in the file) |
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| 18:02.51 | stew | SuperSSS: don't edit the kernel line, edit the # kopt= line, and run update-grub to propagate that to the kernel lines |
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| 18:03.02 | SuperSSS | ok thanks |
| 18:03.03 | Nihill | for some readson I keep getting the same linux-image update, anyone know why? |
| 18:03.16 | Absolute0 | jelly-home: yeah somnething starting with t? |
| 18:03.21 | epsilon | Nihill: which kernel/package? |
| 18:03.47 | Nihill | its linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 |
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| 18:04.03 | Nihill | I've had it "upgrade" to that twice already |
| 18:04.08 | epsilon | if you get new package/kernel-image after a DSA, it's fine |
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| 18:04.20 | wols | SuperSSS: edit your menu.lst properly |
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| 18:04.27 | wols | oops. way too late |
| 18:04.33 | Nihill | so just let it update? |
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| 18:05.10 | epsilon | Nihill: if it's a new package version from security.debian.org, yes |
| 18:05.19 | jelly-home | Absolute0: no idea... I can only think of ttmkfdir, but that's only for legacy X apps (not GTK, not Qt, not Openoffice) |
| 18:05.23 | Nihill | righto thanks |
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| 18:05.33 | Absolute0 | jelly-home: yup thats it |
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| 18:06.17 | jelly-home | Absolute0: there's also mkttfdir. One of them's better but I can never remember which one. |
| 18:07.10 | Absolute0 | what would i need to compile alsa from source? |
| 18:07.15 | Absolute0 | besides build essential |
| 18:07.16 | Absolute0 | ? |
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| 18:08.58 | Caelum | what was the program that tests terminal capabilities? |
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| 18:11.36 | Silvia | i need some help with iptables routing... |
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| 18:12.04 | stew | Silvia: have you tried asking in #iptables? |
| 18:12.08 | epsilon | #netfilter |
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| 18:12.26 | Silvia | stew, there's no help...you know... |
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| 18:13.10 | SuperSSS | I am trying to make the kernel 2.6.22-2-vserver-k7 to boot only once , if it fails I want it to reboot with older kernel, so I added the line "panic=10" If someone could control my menu.lst config if my kopt line is correct ? http://openpaste.org/en/3409/ |
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| 18:13.26 | gnd | hello, what firewall software for configuring netfilter would you recoment? |
| 18:13.36 | wols | gnd: iptables |
| 18:13.38 | epsilon | iptables |
| 18:13.55 | enouf | dpkg where were you? |
| 18:13.55 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
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| 18:14.31 | streuner | x |
| 18:14.32 | ringo999 | hi, i installed xorg and xfce with aptitude on debian etch. however, when I startx i get fatal error. what was the command to reconfigure? |
| 18:14.33 | gnd | right, but, something that's maybe a bit friendlier to use |
| 18:14.36 | streuner | startx |
| 18:14.37 | stew | Silvia: the # in the kopt line isn't a comment. its required |
| 18:14.51 | gnd | I've been using gshield so far but that's not being maintained anymore |
| 18:14.57 | SuperSSS | stew: i put # before kopt line? |
| 18:15.03 | Silvia | stew, i can ask there... |
| 18:15.27 | gnd | shorewall or firestarter were suggested to me |
| 18:15.36 | stew | SuperSSS: yes, (and then you'd have two, so get rid of the one that is there already) |
| 18:15.50 | enouf | SuperSSS: all the double hashes (##) between START AUTOMAGIC and END AUTOMAGIC are comments - single hashes (#) are read |
| 18:15.53 | epsilon | !ask |
| 18:15.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:16.02 | stew | SuperSSS: oh, and you deleted the default # kopt= line, so you'll want to readd that |
| 18:16.15 | ringo999 | anyone please, it was soemthing like "dpkg-reconfigure" and then a package name... |
| 18:16.27 | stew | SuperSSS: "# kopt=root=/dev/sda3 ro" or something |
| 18:16.34 | enouf | !tell ringo999 about drxx |
| 18:16.37 | wols | !tell ringo999 about drxx |
| 18:16.38 | SuperSSS | wols: should this kopt_2.6.22-2-vserver-k7=root=/dev/sda3 ro acpi=ht noapic panic=10 be as kopt_2_6_22_2-vserver-k7=root=/dev/sda3 ro acpi=ht noapic panic=10 all with "_" character? |
| 18:16.43 | fas3r_ | i don't find file pam_pwdb.so .. and the package who contain this file ... :( someone can help me .. ? ) |
| 18:16.49 | enouf | !win wols |
| 18:16.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 18:17.06 | SuperSSS | wols i mean kopt_2_6_22_2_vserver_k7 |
| 18:17.11 | wols | SuperSSS: don't ask me, ask the channel or better yet: try it out and see for yourself |
| 18:17.24 | stew | SuperSSS: SuperSSS i think kopt_2_6_22_2_vserver_k7 would work, kopt_2_6_22 would definately work |
| 18:17.26 | enouf | ringo999: installing the pkg configure-debian will help with those in the future perhaps |
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| 18:17.58 | simonrvn | !+find pam_pwdb.so |
| 18:18.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:18.28 | wishie | it appears in the package linux-headers-2.6.22-2-amd64 , the file include/linux/utsrelease.h contains an invalid UTS_RELEASE value |
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| 18:18.38 | wishie | so compiling against these headers produces strange things |
| 18:18.43 | Absolute1 | i am trying to compile alsa and its saying i am missing python-config: http://rafb.net/p/NK9SKB54.html , i installed python-configobj and still not working, anyone knows what else i might need to install? |
| 18:18.50 | SuperSSS | And adding "panic=10" will boot another kernel in the case if this one fails ? |
| 18:18.56 | stew | wishie: what is the UTS_RELEASE value? |
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| 18:19.06 | simonrvn | Absolute1: python*-dev ... |
| 18:19.07 | stew | SuperSSS: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 18:19.09 | wishie | 2.6.222.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 18:19.39 | wishie | when it should be, afaik, 2.6.22-2-amd64 (removing the first 2.6.22) |
| 18:19.52 | fas3r_ | simonrvn: it's don't find .. :) |
| 18:19.54 | stew | wishie: /msg dpkg reportbu |
| 18:20.00 | Absolute1 | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 18:20.02 | stew | wishie: err, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:20.07 | simonrvn | hasn't said so |
| 18:20.12 | simonrvn | Absolute1: np |
| 18:20.32 | Absolute1 | yellow on white in irssi can make people go blind! :-P need to swith to gray on black |
| 18:20.39 | stew | Absolute1: why are you trying to compile alsa? |
| 18:20.50 | SuperSSS | do you think that it won't wotk with panic line? |
| 18:20.59 | Absolute1 | stew i need to install it with a patch for my audio card |
| 18:21.14 | simonrvn | @+find pam_pwdb.so |
| 18:21.17 | ravenbird | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:21.19 | stew | Absolute1: you need new userspace tools? or a new driver? |
| 18:21.27 | Absolute1 | Absolute1: new driver |
| 18:21.32 | Absolute1 | sigmatel stac9200 |
| 18:21.43 | wishie | Absolute1: 1.0.15rc3 ? |
| 18:21.46 | Absolute1 | yeah |
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| 18:21.52 | stew | Absolute1: you shouldn't need python to compile a kernel driver |
| 18:21.59 | Absolute1 | hehe |
| 18:22.02 | Absolute1 | so says youe! |
| 18:22.14 | wishie | hmm, never encountered this problem in #alsa |
| 18:22.20 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pam_pwdb.so' returned no results. |
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| 18:22.26 | Absolute1 | stew |
| 18:22.28 | Absolute1 | https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/verify.php?id=10129&confirm_hash=fc20c86533b341d9386774f6b5c3af22 |
| 18:22.30 | stew | Absolute1: you should just need 'build-essential' and linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:22.57 | Absolute1 | no the alsa installation has a python bug with many distro's i've had this problem before |
| 18:23.01 | simonrvn | fas3r_: ok, my bot is awake, and said there's no such thing... i know it exists, or did |
| 18:23.01 | wishie | Absolute1: thats a verify url |
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| 18:23.28 | stew | Absolute1: "The confirmation URL is invalid or has already been used. Please signup again." |
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| 18:23.46 | fas3r_ | simonrvn: i know it exist i use it before reinstall all my system |
| 18:23.46 | Absolute1 | oh shoot |
| 18:23.58 | stew | Absolute1: you are trying to compile the userspace programs, not the kernel driver |
| 18:24.02 | Absolute1 | well it worked a week ago :-P |
| 18:24.11 | Absolute1 | stew: another solution? |
| 18:24.29 | enouf | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=868053 seems related and pointed to from a ubuntu bug about that sigmatel |
| 18:24.32 | Absolute1 | stew: search for sigmater stac9200 alsa patch and you'll find my site |
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| 18:24.51 | stew | Absolute1: apt-get source alsa-source ; patch that source, build the alsa-source .deb, install it, install module-assistant, m-a prepare ; m-a a-i alsa |
| 18:24.58 | stew | Absolute1: /msg dpkg source |
| 18:25.23 | Absolute1 | oy vey! |
| 18:25.24 | Absolute1 | hehe |
| 18:25.31 | Absolute1 | much easier to run the script that i have |
| 18:25.33 | Absolute1 | which works as well |
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| 18:25.38 | n_np | what is the command to display all environment variables? |
| 18:25.39 | Absolute1 | i have no guarantee that this will work |
| 18:25.47 | stew | n_np: set |
| 18:25.57 | Silvia | stew, i need to redirect all traffic asking for PUBLICIP1 to 192.168.1.2 |
| 18:25.57 | Silvia | and all outgoing traffic from 192.168.1.2 to inet, change ip for IPPUBLIC1 |
| 18:26.05 | Silvia | can you help me¿? |
| 18:26.17 | enouf | n_np: printenv will show you what's set in your env |
| 18:26.18 | n_np | why isnt it displaying cvsroot ? |
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| 18:26.44 | jelly-home | n_np: case matters. is there a CVSROOT? |
| 18:26.47 | n_np | where is the default place of cvsroot anyway? |
| 18:26.49 | stew | n_np: becuase cvsroot isn't in an evironment variable which has been set in your current environment |
| 18:26.49 | n_np | yeah |
| 18:26.59 | n_np | hmmm then how come cvsweb can access it? |
| 18:27.05 | stew | n_np: look for ~/.cvs* |
| 18:27.06 | simonrvn | ffs, no regexen for the pdo search... when?! |
| 18:27.29 | Absolute1 | stew: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 18:27.34 | wishie | ok, bug submitted! lets hope that one gets squashed soon. |
| 18:27.39 | stew | Silvia: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d PUBLICIP1 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2 |
| 18:27.51 | Absolute1 | stew: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list do i just add "source" to a line in sources.list? |
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| 18:28.06 | stew | Absolute1: copy your "deb" line in sources.list and make the new one say "deb-src" instead of "deb" |
| 18:28.14 | Absolute1 | ah |
| 18:28.15 | dondelelcaro | Absolute1: no, you need to add a deb-src line; man 5 sources.list for details |
| 18:28.20 | Silvia | stew, and for outgoing?? |
| 18:28.21 | Absolute1 | i knew i was missing something |
| 18:28.37 | Absolute1 | stew: "THERE IS NO APT DEFAULT SOURCES.LIST FILE! |
| 18:28.38 | Absolute1 | :) |
| 18:28.56 | Absolute1 | deb deb-src and the security one IS the default! |
| 18:29.03 | stew | Silvia: the machine 192.168.1.2 will be initiating connections to the outside world? or are you just worried about the connections initiated FROM the outside world to this machine? |
| 18:29.12 | stew | Absolute1: no, its not |
| 18:29.19 | dondelelcaro | Absolute1: actually, there isn't a default at all |
| 18:29.29 | stew | (as i've said 3 or 4 times now) |
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| 18:29.40 | Silvia | stew, as it was in inet |
| 18:29.45 | Silvia | all trafiifc |
| 18:30.01 | Absolute1 | default: means comes standard with a software installationg |
| 18:30.05 | stew | Silvia: are you worried about connections being initiated by the server? or by the outside world? |
| 18:30.05 | Absolute1 | *installation |
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| 18:30.19 | cooner750 | hello |
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| 18:30.27 | Absolute1 | if its installed via the iso the iso doesnt do quantum mechanics! |
| 18:30.28 | stew | Absolute1: there is no default. the installer dynamically configures one as part of the install process |
| 18:30.37 | Absolute1 | it always writes the same file! |
| 18:30.47 | Absolute1 | oh well |
| 18:30.51 | fas3r_ | simonrvn: this one libpam-pwdfile ? |
| 18:30.54 | Silvia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.28 | stew | Absolute1: it doesn't always write the same file. |
| 18:31.46 | stew | Absolute1: it depends on which iso you use and how you answer questions asked during the install process |
| 18:31.53 | cooner750 | I've got a problem with Apache on my Debian box. For no apparent reason, Apache is getting sent SIGTERM and shutting down. It's happened twice since I installed Debian about a week ago. |
| 18:32.53 | simonrvn | fas3r_: libpam-pwdfile: lib/security/pam_pwdfile.so |
| 18:32.59 | Absolute1 | stew: i guess you're right, sorry for me being so stubborn :-{ |
| 18:33.01 | simonrvn | fas3r_: i.e., no |
| 18:33.11 | simonrvn | fas3r_: best bet is google |
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| 18:34.23 | Silvia | stew, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.3 -j SNAT --to PUBLIC_IP |
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| 18:35.50 | Absolute1 | stew i run apt-get build-dep {packagename} with packagename being alsa? |
| 18:36.09 | Absolute1 | nope that doesnt work |
| 18:37.11 | Absolute1 | any ideas? |
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| 18:37.58 | dvs | Absolute1: package name is either alsa-base or alsa-utils |
| 18:38.07 | dvs | I suspect you want alsa-base |
| 18:38.13 | sulo | Hi, just tried installing etch using a netinst cd. The cd hasn't got any gui config of wireless, it seems... What's the easiest way to install to a laptop when I have a wifi internet connection? |
| 18:38.14 | Absolute1 | i guess so :) |
| 18:39.24 | sulo | can anybody recommend a good live-cd? |
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| 18:39.30 | maxamillion | sulo: the debian live cd |
| 18:39.55 | slid3r_ | anyone remember the apt syntax using (I think uname) to get your kernel headers? |
| 18:40.02 | maxamillion | sulo: other than that .... sidux or knoppix are good, and if you need something for older machines then try damn small |
| 18:40.12 | sulo | maxamillion URL? there seems to be several projects like that when I google for it |
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| 18:42.03 | dvs | slid3r_: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 18:42.06 | tatoo | hi , how can i speak with usplash developper ? |
| 18:42.11 | Absolute1 | stew: the alsa patch that i have is for 1.0.15rc1-simple, apt-get source gets 1.0.13... |
| 18:42.14 | Absolute1 | :( |
| 18:42.56 | slid3r | dvs: that looks right |
| 18:42.57 | fas3r_ | simonrvn: yes i think too google is the best way but i search since 2 hours ... :) |
| 18:43.01 | slid3r | thx |
| 18:43.04 | tatoo | I found a bug in usplash in 1280x800 (error cause to ratio ) that's why i created a small patch to fix it |
| 18:43.05 | slid3r | Ill look into it some more |
| 18:43.20 | tatoo | (sid branch) |
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| 18:43.39 | simonrvn | fas3r_: try this as a search: 'pam password database source' (no quotes) |
| 18:43.51 | n_np | where r all the environment variables stored? |
| 18:43.57 | NiLon | um, if I install fluxbox do I need also install xorg? (fluxbox says that it can't start xserver) |
| 18:44.04 | simonrvn | in your environment ;) |
| 18:44.04 | n_np | yeah |
| 18:44.11 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 18:44.13 | dvs | n_np: usually in /etc/default for apps |
| 18:44.17 | simonrvn | depends |
| 18:44.20 | n_np | thanks dvs |
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| 18:44.59 | simonrvn | n_np: system-wide in /etc/, user's in their shell's . files |
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| 18:45.41 | Farhadix | how I can set SuperKey+D to show desktop? |
| 18:45.59 | n_np | aah okay |
| 18:46.10 | n_np | so then is the shell command to set an environment variable ? |
| 18:46.13 | dvs | SuperKey? |
| 18:46.36 | n_np | is it set CVSROOT='/location' ? |
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| 18:46.59 | simonrvn | n_np: well, for bash, since that's probably what your shell is, is export SOME_KEY="some value" |
| 18:47.07 | n_np | thanks mate |
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| 18:47.19 | simonrvn | n_np: that'll set SOME_KEY to be 'some value' |
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| 18:48.44 | Silvia | stew, http://paste.debian.net/39037 |
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| 18:49.31 | abchirk2 | !dpkg multimedia mencoder |
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| 18:50.29 | simonrvn | abchirk2: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 18:50.45 | abchirk2 | ah thx ;) |
| 18:51.01 | cr3 | can someone provide me with a good example of a debian package which has sensible postinst and config scripts using a templates file and generating a configuration file |
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| 18:51.21 | cr3 | the debian policy manual is just not sufficient to get me started |
| 18:51.46 | dondelelcaro | cr3: just use a package which already does so |
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| 18:51.59 | enouf | n_np: using "export" only works on a per-session basis, add anything you want for all shells, and to stick, into your ~/.bashrc |
| 18:52.04 | stef_ | can I aptitude search case insensitive like grep -i ? ???? |
| 18:52.05 | dalias | dondelelcaro, cr3 wants a good exampe of such a package |
| 18:52.07 | dondelelcaro | cr3: like adduser or any other one which you've used before |
| 18:52.17 | n_np | tnx enouf |
| 18:52.20 | stef_ | can I aptitude search case insensitive like grep -i ? ???? |
| 18:52.22 | n_np | i put it in /etc/profile |
| 18:52.23 | enouf | n_np: stick/stay .. be set upon each login |
| 18:52.24 | n_np | for some stupid reason |
| 18:52.33 | dondelelcaro | stef_: please don't repeat, and it depends on what you're searching for |
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| 18:52.40 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 18:53.21 | stef_ | dondelelcaro: dude ... |
| 18:53.31 | stef_ | dondelelcaro: I'm searching for lame mp3 encoder |
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| 18:53.47 | dondelelcaro | stef_: lame isn't distributed in Debian |
| 18:53.50 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 18:53.54 | nkuttler | stef_: /msg dpkg lame |
| 18:54.34 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I just checked the adduser package and one thing I don't like is that both config and postinst scripts seem to essentially do the same but duplicate the list of template parameters. for example, adduser/homedir-changed is being checked in both files |
| 18:54.41 | ribnitz | Is there a way to auotmatically load sound setup (alsa) at login or somesuch, without root having to go through alsaconf exach time (Sid/experimental)? |
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| 18:55.24 | dvs | ribnitz: after you run alsaconf, add the "snd_" modules to /etc/modules that have a 0 beside them. |
| 18:55.33 | dvs | when you run lsmod |
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| 18:56.39 | ribnitz | dvs: the ones with 0 beside them? |
| 18:57.06 | enouf | does anyone sill use dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? .. i have lately ;-) |
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| 18:57.20 | enouf | still* |
| 18:57.27 | dondelelcaro | cr3: uh... they don't do the same thing at all |
| 18:57.34 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I also find it strange that there doesn't seem to be any helpful scripts out there. instead, it seems that the adduser postinst script needs to explicitly do ridiculous tasks such as: cp /etc/adduser.conf /etc/adduser.conf.dpkg-save |
| 18:57.54 | dondelelcaro | cr3: they deal with the same variable, but they don't do the same thing at all |
| 18:58.06 | dondelelcaro | cr3: what sort of script do you think should be dealing with that? |
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| 18:58.41 | enouf | ribnitz: lsmod will show some snd_ modules with an 0 beside them - those aren't being loaded at boot , so add them to /etc/modules , is what dvs is saying |
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| 18:58.56 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: perhaps a shell script library or something, I just find it strange that packages have to create .dpkg-save files themselves |
| 18:59.16 | enouf | lsmod | grep snd to narrow the field a bit |
| 18:59.24 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: maybe the problem is that I don't have a good enough understand of the purpose in life of postinst and config, that might clarify many of my misconceptions |
| 18:59.49 | dondelelcaro | cr3: the config's job is to use debconf to prompt for answers to questions that have to be answered to configure the package |
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| 18:59.58 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 19:00.01 | ribnitz | ok going to try, brb |
| 19:00.01 | dondelelcaro | cr3: the postinst's job is to take those answers and actually configure the package. |
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| 19:00.51 | Ace2016 | I've just installed lenny, and i want to upgrade to debian sid, can someone point me to where i can get a sources list please |
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| 19:01.18 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: if you're asking that sort of question, you generally should be staying with lenny for a bit longer |
| 19:01.22 | Ace2016 | i remember in ubuntu there was !easysource, is there something like that for debian? one that will generate me a sources list |
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| 19:01.42 | dondelelcaro | since the difference between a lenny sources.list and a sid sources.list is a single word. |
| 19:01.47 | stew | stef_: it already is case insensitive |
| 19:02.02 | stew | i'm answering questions in scrollback |
| 19:02.23 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: man 5 sources.list; and see if enlightenment is attained. |
| 19:02.25 | Ace2016 | dondelelcaro: but i only have a very basic sources list, i want a full one with stuff like libdvdcss and ms truetype fonts |
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| 19:02.56 | Ace2016 | Whats the 5 in between man and sources list for? |
| 19:03.08 | nkuttler | Ace2016: man man |
| 19:03.13 | earnest | what package contains the libc man pages such as fgets(3) and system calls such as read(2), and write(2)? |
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| 19:03.16 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: and config is to prompt for those answers? |
| 19:03.27 | dondelelcaro | cr3: to use debconf to prompt for the answers, yes |
| 19:03.33 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 19:03.47 | Ace2016 | so where can i get the extras? i'm not in the us so it is ok |
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| 19:03.54 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: and the config script is called when sourcing /usr/share/debconf/confmodule, right? |
| 19:05.06 | nkuttler | Ace2016: try /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 19:05.27 | dondelelcaro | cr3: no, the config script sources the confmodule |
| 19:05.48 | earnest | I have: i man-db - The on-line manual pager |
| 19:05.58 | earnest | But: |
| 19:06.01 | earnest | # man fgets |
| 19:06.01 | earnest | Nenhuma entrada de manual para fgets |
| 19:06.08 | earnest | Meaning no entry for fgets was found. |
| 19:06.18 | dondelelcaro | earnest: you need manpages-dev |
| 19:06.23 | dondelelcaro | !tell earnest -about search |
| 19:06.32 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: in the adduser package, it is the postinst script which sources confmodule: if . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
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| 19:06.45 | dondelelcaro | cr3: they both do |
| 19:06.58 | dondelelcaro | cr3: you can't use any debconf commands without loading it |
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| 19:07.49 | dondelelcaro | cr3: this is explained in man 7 debconf-devel; BTW |
| 19:07.49 | Farhadix | Hi, why when I ask a question , no anybody answer me?! |
| 19:08.18 | dondelelcaro | Farhadix: either the question wasn't good enough, no one knows the answer, or no one cares to answer. |
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| 19:08.45 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: another thing I don't quite understand is the ordering in which postinst and config are called. my observations are that postinst is called first without the "configure" argument as $1, then config is called with the "configure" argument, then postinst is called again with the "configure" argument |
| 19:09.25 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: cheers for the manpage reference, installing debconf-doc right now :) |
| 19:09.33 | Ace2016 | Can i see someone on sid's sources.list file please |
| 19:09.52 | wols | !tell Ace2016 about sources.list |
| 19:09.56 | _MrSeb_ | to get working asterisk is sufficient install deb package or must I compile addon from source (like res_config_mysql.so)? |
| 19:10.14 | dondelelcaro | _MrSeb_: it should be sufficient, yes. |
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| 19:11.04 | Ace2016 | is that it? just 2 lines in the sources list? and also it says main, do you have contrib universe and stuff like ubuntu did? |
| 19:11.12 | Farhadix | how I can set SuperKey+D to show desktop? |
| 19:11.22 | wols | !tell Ace2016 about contrib |
| 19:11.27 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: you can add contrib and non-free if you want, but that's it. We don't have things like universe et al |
| 19:11.38 | dondelelcaro | Farhadix: that depends on your window manager |
| 19:11.39 | stew | Ace2016: in sid there would be no security support, so it would be only one. debian has no concept of "universe" contrib is not necessary |
| 19:11.57 | enouf | <Farhadix> how I can set SuperKey+D to show desktop? <-- that appears to be a specific DE (Desktop Environment) thing - for KDE, it might somewhere be in "kcontrol" |
| 19:11.59 | _MrSeb_ | dondelelcaro: I get error for module res_config_mysql.so that is not present and there is no one package with addon name... I've tryed to compile the addon source, but many header file are not present... |
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| 19:12.20 | Farhadix | dondelelcaro, enouf thanks |
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| 19:12.25 | stew | _MrSeb_: install asterisk-mysql |
| 19:12.36 | _MrSeb_ | thanks stew |
| 19:12.41 | Ace2016 | oh i'll only have 1 source for all my stuff? sounds kind of cool |
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| 19:13.13 | wols | Ace2016: depends. e.g. people on desktop machines often use debian-multimedia.org too |
| 19:13.32 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: aha, thanks again for the manpage, I found: Always source confmodule at the top of your postinst ... to make sure the config script gets a chance to run (see HACKS for details). |
| 19:13.47 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 19:14.15 | popov_ | hello, i try to run "make xconfig" and i got "qconf: cannot connect to X server 0:0 (thanks) |
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| 19:14.28 | stew | popov_: are you running it as root? |
| 19:14.34 | simonrvn | don't run it as root |
| 19:14.34 | stew | popov_: (you shouldn't be) |
| 19:14.41 | popov_ | yes |
| 19:14.41 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: that was screwing me up royally because the postinst was responsible for creating the actual configuration file which was copied from my examples directory, but config was being called first because of that rule. I guess I'll just have to bend the rule and create the configuration file before sourcing confmodule. |
| 19:14.50 | popov_ | ok |
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| 19:14.54 | popov_ | thanks |
| 19:14.59 | dondelelcaro | cr3: uh... no, you shouldn't be doing that. |
| 19:15.15 | dondelelcaro | cr3: your config script should be capable of running even if the configuration file doesn't exist. |
| 19:15.49 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: but then it can't configure anything, or do you mean the config script should be the one responsible for creating a configuration file? |
| 19:16.10 | dondelelcaro | cr3: no, the config script should just ask questions, based on the information present in the configuration file if it exists |
| 19:16.19 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: since I'm having such trouble, I'm wondering if the problem might be that my package is not standard |
| 19:16.25 | dondelelcaro | cr3: the postinst should then after having asked questions, use the answers to the questions to create teh configuration file |
| 19:16.33 | dondelelcaro | (or modify the configuration file if it exists) |
| 19:16.57 | dondelelcaro | possibly using ucf or similar to prompt if the configuration file has been edited manually |
| 19:17.02 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: brilliant! that makes perfect sense! understanding this is worth gold to me, thank you very much |
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| 19:17.25 | Ace2016 | What is the command i run just after runing apt-get update and before apt-get drist-upgrade, i think its something like apt-get install dpkg and some other package that have to be at their latest for some of the newer debs to work |
| 19:17.38 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: there's no need to do that |
| 19:17.45 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: and you should be using aptitude anyway |
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| 19:18.15 | enouf | Ace2016: you may have heard using apt-get upgrade, prior to dist-upgrade |
| 19:18.15 | Ace2016 | why aptitude? is that what synaptic uses? |
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| 19:18.23 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: do you mind if I ask a few other filesystem layout related questions, just to make sure my package is following either conventions or common practice? |
| 19:18.27 | enouf | Ace2016: but listen to dondelelcaro |
| 19:18.29 | action09 | hi all (back) |
| 19:18.48 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 19:18.50 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: uh, no. It's an actual frontend to libapt instead of just a demonstration program |
| 19:18.55 | dondelelcaro | cr3: ask away |
| 19:19.08 | action09 | anyone has a doc on installing nxserver on a Debian testing please ? i tried to install nx binaries. but can't success... of freenx..if.. tia ! |
| 19:19.08 | Ace2016 | so whats apt-get i've always used that |
| 19:19.11 | dondelelcaro | cr3: though most of those sorts of questions are answered in policy and in the FHS |
| 19:19.24 | simonrvn | Ace2016: the demo program dondelelcaro said it was |
| 19:19.27 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: apt-get is a demonstration program of the libapt backend which aptitude also uses. |
| 19:19.37 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: cheers! so first, relating to our conversation before, does it make sense for my package to provide an examples file under /usr/share/foo/examples/foo.conf which is used as the basis by postinst to create a configuration file? |
| 19:19.44 | Ace2016 | so i just run aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 19:19.58 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: or aptitude full-upgrade, yes. |
| 19:19.59 | simonrvn | (well, it is, and not because don said it hehe) |
| 19:20.03 | vrv | Hello :) Could you suggest any source of good step-by-step instruction for kernel compiling for beginners? |
| 19:20.18 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I looked at fhs this morning and I haven't found quite what I was looking for |
| 19:20.33 | nkuttler | vrv: install kernel-package, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 19:20.39 | enouf | vrv: the debian way is to follow the kernel-handbook |
| 19:20.47 | dondelelcaro | cr3: that'd be fine, though if you're doing that, you generally want to use ucf |
| 19:21.02 | vrv | Thank you |
| 19:21.09 | cr3 | vrv: make sure you look for a debian specific way of compiling your kernel which generates a package which you can easily install and then uninstall |
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| 19:21.22 | dondelelcaro | cr3: so you'd have a template there, then build a temorary in /var/lib/foo/foo.conf (or /tmp or something) and then have ucf prompt to do a 3 way merge if necesary |
| 19:21.32 | dondelelcaro | cr3: ucf's documentation is more verbose on the matter, though. |
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| 19:21.50 | Ace2016 | ok bye all, i'll drop to command line now |
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| 19:22.29 | dondelelcaro | cr3: the other question you should be asking yourself though, is whether it's actually necessary to prompt with debconf. In many cases there is a reasonable default configuration that you can use |
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| 19:23.20 | SuperSSS | Hello does grub understands the "panic=10" line appended in kopt_2.6.22_2_vserver_k7=root=/dev/sda3 ro acpi=ht noapic panic=10 |
| 19:23.28 | SuperSSS | this means if 2.6.22_2_vserver_k7 fails to boot it will reboot the older kernel... |
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| 19:24.03 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: it is necessary for preceeding, because this package will be used in automated environments, but I have set the priorities of the parameters to "medium" so that prompting doesn't need to be done and reasonable defaults are indeed provided in the examples file |
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| 19:24.15 | cr3 | s/preceeding/preseeding/ :) |
| 19:24.19 | simonrvn | s/pre/pro/g |
| 19:24.20 | dondelelcaro | SuperSSS: no, it means that if it panics, it will reboot in 10 seconds |
| 19:24.20 | stew | SuperSSS: i don't see why grub should care. that is a parameter you are passing to the kernel, not to grub. if you want grub to fallback to another kernel: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 19:24.24 | simonrvn | oh heh |
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| 19:25.31 | SuperSSS | stew: ok, i got to reformat the menu.lst then |
| 19:25.33 | enouf | SuperSSS: man bootparam .. note also This panic timeout can also be set by "echo N > /proc/sys/kernel/panic". |
| 19:25.41 | stew | SuperSSS: why? |
| 19:25.49 | stew | SuperSSS: oh, yes, you do, i misread that |
| 19:26.31 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: if I understood correctly our previous conversation about postinst and config, ucf should be called at the end of the postinst script |
| 19:26.40 | n_np | hey guys i install eclipse-cdt with aptitude but its not working |
| 19:26.41 | n_np | whats wrong? |
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| 19:26.58 | stew | n_np: you have to be more specific than "not working" |
| 19:27.12 | NiLon | I'm running fluxbox with xserver and when I start it there's pink "bar" bottom of screen, does anyone know why there is such space? |
| 19:27.28 | NiLon | could there be problems with gfx card or something |
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| 19:27.32 | dondelelcaro | cr3: nah, it should just be called at a point where you've got the configuration file ready |
| 19:27.34 | simonrvn | uh, fluxbox's bar |
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| 19:27.54 | NiLon | I don't think it should be there |
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| 19:28.06 | NiLon | it's taking like 50% of space from screen |
| 19:28.22 | NiLon | and it kind of "eats" any window |
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| 19:29.06 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I looked at the ucf sample postinst script and many lines start with ":", what does that mean? |
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| 19:30.28 | enouf | http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_13.html#SEC44 also SuperSSS .. and forget what i said about boot param earlier, i misread your specific question |
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| 19:31.29 | simonrvn | NiLon: oh, the dock maybe |
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| 19:31.53 | nkuttler | NiLon: yeah, probably dock. right-click it. |
| 19:32.22 | nkuttler | they call it slit actually... |
| 19:33.20 | enouf | kicker, panel .. yadda yadda |
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| 19:33.29 | NiLon | I can't click it.. |
| 19:33.42 | simonrvn | obox has one too, i haven't figured out how to get it to do anything other than stay where it is... |
| 19:33.58 | NiLon | oh wow, now it works like it should :D |
| 19:34.16 | NiLon | I did xrandr -s 1, got fatal error and crash, then startx again and it works :D |
| 19:34.36 | SuperSSS | stew: if you don't mind checking , i replaced panic=10 with fallback lines http://openpaste.org/en/3411/ |
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| 19:35.20 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 19:36.32 | stew | SuperSSS: so want it to fallback to singleuser mode using the same kernel? |
| 19:37.14 | stew | SuperSSS: right now "/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 ro acpi=ht noapic single" is your fallback kernel |
| 19:37.48 | stew | SuperSSS: (otherwise it looks ok to me) |
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| 19:38.16 | SuperSSS | wols: no i want it to boot a recovery kernel, which is 2.6.17 |
| 19:38.42 | SuperSSS | wols: if you could edit that entry on paster and I will paste it to my config |
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| 19:39.57 | wols | SuperSSS: I told you before, don't talk to me, talk to the channel! |
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| 19:40.17 | SuperSSS | ok sorry, you re the only one answering |
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| 19:40.29 | wols | I never answered you. stew did time and again |
| 19:41.04 | Max- | what do I need (package) to run apache2-ssl-certificate? |
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| 19:41.06 | SuperSSS | Damn i hate this blak on white terminal i dont see nicks |
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| 19:41.43 | Sebboh | Hey, can someone rank these local network file sharing technologies in order, sorted by memory/cpu footprint? fuse/sshfs/fish/whatever(with null cipher?) vs samaba vs nfs And.. if you happen to know by what magnitude one is bigger than the other.. I would appreciate that information, too. |
| 19:42.12 | superSSS | wols: sorry for nickname missmatch |
| 19:42.33 | superSSS | stew: could you take a look at my entry, i would like 2.6.22-vserver-k7 to be primary kernel and 2.6.17 booted up as a recovery kernel |
| 19:42.39 | cr3 | wols: heh, very astute :) |
| 19:43.01 | stew | superSSS: right now you have "fallback 1" which means the second kernel listed in that file (since they start at 0) the second kernel in that file is the single user version of 2.6.22-vserver-k7 |
| 19:43.02 | superSSS | stew: maybe you could make changes to the paster site, i will copy those |
| 19:43.18 | superSSS | then i must make fallback 1 3 |
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| 19:44.06 | superSSS | no fallback 0 4 |
| 19:44.59 | streuner__ | greetings |
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| 19:45.47 | Sebboh | wols, try again. I'm not in school. I need to share files between a bunch of virtual machines, and for some reason I doubt that installing samba on each one is a good idea. ..I think that doing something else would be better, but I was hoping to confirm this with somebody more knowledgeable. |
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| 19:46.31 | wols | you only need samba _once_ for the server |
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| 19:46.59 | superSSS | stew: ok making a new paster copy |
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| 19:47.44 | stew | superSSS: yes, i think you want 0 4 |
| 19:47.44 | superSSS | stew: i hope i got the lines right now http://openpaste.org/en/3412/ |
| 19:48.37 | Sebboh | wols, how so? My virtual machine host doesn't have access to the virtual machine's filesystems. I would be very happy if it did. How can I do that? |
| 19:49.11 | wols | by installing samba on the host |
| 19:49.24 | wols | or on the client. wherever you want access |
| 19:50.08 | wols | Sebboh: all the ssh/ssl based solutions are mostly crap in your case. so that leaves practically samba and nfs |
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| 19:51.09 | Sebboh | ... ... I need to share files.. between a bunch of linux virtual machines. How could I possibly do that via samba unless samba is on each virtual machine? On the subject of ssh being crap.. Why, because of cpu overhead due to encryption? Would the null cipher help? |
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| 19:51.15 | petemc | or cluster filesystems |
| 19:51.22 | stew | superSSS: that looks fine. you'll want to run "grub-set-default 0" |
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| 19:52.45 | Max- | Anyone can tell why I don't have that apache2-ssl-certificate script all the websites are talking about even though I think I installed all there was to install 6!?!?!?! |
| 19:52.48 | petemc | Sebboh: you could look at gnbd |
| 19:53.10 | wols | s!tell Max- about~ |
| 19:53.12 | action09 | *noone* use freenx on Debian Testing ? i'd like to know the binaries, method to installa nd configure all.. tia |
| 19:53.13 | superSSS | stew: and after that update-grub? |
| 19:53.15 | wols | !tell max about search |
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| 19:53.29 | \amethyst | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:53.30 | dpkg | hmm... apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
| 19:53.33 | wols | action09: freenx is not in debian. ask nomachine.com |
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| 19:53.44 | action09 | wols ok thx |
| 19:54.06 | Max- | thx \amethyst |
| 19:54.14 | action09 | wols is there the same thing ihn Debian ? (same perofmances ?) please |
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| 19:54.44 | wols | action09: not to my knowledge |
| 19:54.58 | action09 | ok thanks anyway ! :) |
| 19:55.14 | antazy | Hello, i download iso sd, install, and when first login i have command line. How i can install KDE? |
| 19:55.29 | wols | !install kde |
| 19:55.29 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 19:55.40 | wols | !install x |
| 19:55.40 | dpkg | hmm... install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 19:55.51 | Sebboh | action09, I use freenx on debian, but, I didn't do it the debian way. ..Actually.. I'm not 100% sure that I even used freenx, I probably just installed the damned commercial license one. |
| 19:56.03 | petemc | i use the nomachine debs |
| 19:56.05 | petemc | work great |
| 19:56.11 | petemc | dubious licence, i think |
| 19:56.29 | wols | more than dubious DFSG wise :) |
| 19:56.52 | Sebboh | yes, nomachine debs, that's what I used, action09. petemc, what's this about gndb? |
| 19:57.15 | petemc | global network block device |
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| 19:57.54 | petemc | i dont use it, but have looked at it.. |
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| 20:03.36 | superSSS | do I need to run update-grub if i made changes to menu.lst ? |
| 20:04.41 | gkiagia | it depends on the changes |
| 20:05.21 | action09 | Sebboh ok thanks :) are you using nomachine .deb on Stable, Testing or Sid ? cos i had error installing server on Testing |
| 20:05.30 | gkiagia | if you changed the debian commands that start with #, then you need to run it. if you modified something else, you don't |
| 20:05.42 | Wyzard | superSSS: All update-grub does is regenerate the boot entries based on the special comments in that file |
| 20:05.56 | action09 | superSSS i'd say no |
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| 20:06.07 | Wyzard | superSSS: If you change those special comments, you can either manually make the same changes to the boot entries down below, or you can run update-grub to do it for you |
| 20:06.35 | Wyzard | superSSS: If you changed other things (like the menu timeout, or setting a password), you don't need to run update-grub after that |
| 20:06.50 | superSSS | thanks |
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| 20:10.44 | Sebboh | action09, testing. What kinda errors? Just depends on blah but blah not installed? |
| 20:11.22 | action09 | Sebboh hmmm i reinstalled it and now the server is running, let me check :) |
| 20:12.11 | stef_ | I can't get mplayer to dump raw a m4b file |
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| 20:14.05 | GarryFre | Just in case anyone uses wine out there, Scott, the maintainer of the debian binary of wine on WineHq, got the download working. He didn't know there was a problem, till I emailed him. Seems everyone else figured someone else had said something. |
| 20:14.10 | slid3r | ok, having a bit of an issue ... I have a geforce 6600 128mb ... I have successfuly installed the nvidia drivers, from the NVIDIA....run file, allowing it to compile the module etc .... or at least it all said success ... but if I run glxgears to test it I can tell that something is not right ... it is slower that heck, and it makes a high-pitched whine noise |
| 20:14.20 | action09 | Sebboh no it 's working now :) i just install libXCOmp something.. |
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| 20:15.00 | sepski | slid3r, why use the .run file instead of the packages in debian ? |
| 20:15.32 | slid3r | well |
| 20:15.45 | GarryFre | Sometimes symantek package manager's nvidia-glx is your friend. |
| 20:15.52 | slid3r | tbh apt-cache search nvidia turned up very little |
| 20:16.06 | gkiagia | slid3r: I think this is the normal behaviour |
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| 20:16.14 | slid3r | and nvidia-glx was not found at all |
| 20:16.28 | GarryFre | hmmm, might be missing a repository |
| 20:16.28 | gkiagia | just apt-get install mesa-utils and check glxinfo output |
| 20:16.33 | slid3r | I did that |
| 20:16.37 | streuner__ | !non-free |
| 20:16.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 20:17.17 | slid3r | so I need to add a non-free repo to my sources ... |
| 20:17.20 | slid3r | suggestions? |
| 20:17.35 | Shifty | hey all wich image do i have to download if i want to install etch on my 64 intel cpu? |
| 20:18.01 | wols | Shifty: either the i386 or the amd64 one |
| 20:18.09 | Shifty | ok thx |
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| 20:18.26 | wols | !tell slid3r about non-free |
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| 20:22.52 | dffd | hi all, I'm trying to attach a serial modem to my dom0 in Xen, but it's not working,.. the serial_cs module can' t be loaded,... anyone knows how to tackle this ? |
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| 20:25.30 | streuner__ | hi damog :-) |
| 20:25.40 | streuner__ | oh |
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| 20:26.43 | petemc | dffd: when you say cant be loaded, what happens? |
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| 20:27.08 | minus_ | Hi there ppl! How do I eneble 1920x1200 as standard resolution. Right now it only uses the standard 1024x768. And, yes, I've added "1920x1200" in xorg.conf |
| 20:27.11 | petemc | dffd: also, isnt that for pcmcia stuff? |
| 20:28.07 | war | minus_: u have a 24" monitor? |
| 20:28.26 | minus_ | war, yes |
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| 20:29.01 | war | minus_: what kind? u sure it supports that res? |
| 20:29.06 | war | minus_: i have 2 24's at 1920x1200 |
| 20:29.09 | war | no problem here |
| 20:29.13 | minus_ | Samsung 245B |
| 20:29.50 | war | Xorg -configure |
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| 20:30.06 | war | then follow the instructions |
| 20:30.21 | minus_ | Fatal server error: |
| 20:30.30 | minus_ | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 20:30.33 | minus_ | blabla |
| 20:30.36 | war | u cant be running X |
| 20:30.37 | war | when udo it |
| 20:30.42 | minus_ | ok |
| 20:30.55 | minus_ | brb then |
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| 20:32.59 | dffd | petemc: well actually you're right,.. it's for pcmcia stuff, ... I have a modem card which is recognized without any trouble on a stock debian kernel, but it's not on the xen kernel... |
| 20:33.34 | dffd | petemc: it says: FATAL: Error inserting serial_cs (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-xen-686/kernel/drivers/serial/serial_cs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 20:35.05 | frutax | coming off a fresh debian install, i installed vlc and libdvdcss2 through aptitude w/o any issues. but when i try to play a dvd vlc throws these errors: http://pastebin.com/m290ad05 |
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| 20:35.33 | war | frutax: use mplayer? |
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| 20:36.05 | Shifty | hey all ... back agian :D |
| 20:36.16 | frutax | war, i'll give it a try really quick here...i've just always liked vlc |
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| 20:36.45 | WillieDaPimp | can anyone help me with adding repositories, i know how to do it and all but it seems the ones that i add all crap out on me when i run 'apt-get update' |
| 20:36.49 | war | frutax: ah, always used mplayer here |
| 20:37.04 | war | WillieDaPimp: then the repo is no good usually |
| 20:37.11 | war | WillieDaPimp: or you specified the wrong dirs |
| 20:37.20 | Shifty | what can that be: i want to install debian and all i get is "getting file 20 of 20" and no change :( |
| 20:37.30 | WillieDaPimp | war, ok do you know of any dependable repos i can add |
| 20:37.36 | war | WillieDaPimp: repos for what? |
| 20:37.47 | frutax | war, does a GUI for mplayer install with the std package from aptitude? |
| 20:38.14 | war | $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/gmplayer |
| 20:38.14 | war | mplayer: /usr/bin/gmplayer |
| 20:38.20 | war | yeah but i dont think mplayer has dvd menu support |
| 20:38.23 | war | i use it from cmd line myself |
| 20:38.39 | WillieDaPimp | war, anything and everything, multimedia codecs etc.. compiz-fusion repos would be nice....also was wondering if i need to run unstable repos for compiz-fusion |
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| 20:39.24 | frutax | war, in mplayer i get: "error initializing the selected -vo device" anyway |
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| 20:39.47 | Shifty | wols: do you have a idea? why the installation wont go on? |
| 20:39.57 | amphi | frutax: what vo are you trying to use? |
| 20:40.00 | war | frutax: try -vo x11 or -vo xv |
| 20:40.07 | war | WillieDaPimp: sure |
| 20:40.15 | war | WillieDaPimp: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main |
| 20:40.17 | minus_ | war, ehm.. That was not a success... It complained about not being able to move Xorg.0.log to Xorg.0.log.old |
| 20:40.20 | war | WillieDaPimp: that multimedia |
| 20:40.34 | war | minus_: what video card? it isnt intel is it? |
| 20:40.36 | minus_ | war, though it worked while I did it as root.. |
| 20:40.45 | minus_ | war, nvidia 7950GT |
| 20:40.49 | amphi | arrrggh |
| 20:40.58 | war | minus_: post your xorg.conf somewhere |
| 20:41.03 | minus_ | war, ok |
| 20:41.10 | ringo999 | how im running debian with xfce...where do i set the clock? |
| 20:41.33 | minus_ | ringo999, apt-get install xfce4 |
| 20:41.58 | frutax | war, thanks, that worked for mplayer, but no menus, you were right. i'll have to fix vlc later i guess |
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| 20:42.11 | war | frutax: np. |
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| 20:42.52 | stef_ | can one make a filter for every command that is executed ? |
| 20:42.58 | ringo999 | minus_: hm? but its already installed and running? will this lead me to the setup menu to set the time? |
| 20:42.59 | WillieDaPimp | war, i added that repo but it says it couldn't verify the key.... |
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| 20:43.11 | war | WillieDaPimp: apt-key update |
| 20:43.18 | WillieDaPimp | ahh |
| 20:43.22 | minus_ | wahooooo, http://dump.myskul.net/files/xorg.conf |
| 20:43.27 | war | WillieDaPimp: and if that doesnt work u need to type |
| 20:43.31 | minus_ | ringo999, ah.. |
| 20:43.38 | war | WillieDaPimp: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg && apt-get update |
| 20:43.40 | war | WillieDaPimp: that fixes it |
| 20:43.43 | war | minerale: k |
| 20:43.45 | war | minus_: k |
| 20:43.50 | ringo999 | minus_: ;-) |
| 20:43.57 | minus_ | ringo999, got to think |
| 20:44.03 | skejoe | Hi. Reasently I updated from stable to testing and kernel did so too, but now I can't get any sound in the new kernel. My audio card is a: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:44.06 | ringo999 | minus_: np |
| 20:44.10 | war | minus_: what version of Debian? |
| 20:44.15 | minus_ | war, Lenny |
| 20:44.22 | war | minus_: there is your problem |
| 20:44.26 | minus_ | war, ? |
| 20:44.27 | ringo999 | minus_: been looking for it under settings but i just cant find it... |
| 20:44.27 | war | minus_: change "vesa" to "nv" |
| 20:44.33 | minus_ | war, Ah.. |
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| 20:44.37 | war | also btw |
| 20:44.39 | war | use this |
| 20:45.02 | war | that should do it |
| 20:45.03 | war | also |
| 20:45.04 | minus_ | ringo999, try doubleclicking on the clock |
| 20:45.08 | war | nv doesnt give any acceleration |
| 20:45.12 | war | but it will work for you |
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| 20:45.15 | war | 'out of the box' |
| 20:45.28 | minus_ | war, Im gonna install nVidia drivers soon anyways so.. |
| 20:45.28 | tuxre | hello there. im trying to build the fglrx-kernel-src right now, but i get this error(s): http://cpp.tastethepaste.org/494 . would be very happy if you could help me |
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| 20:45.42 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:45.47 | war | minus_: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1/ |
| 20:45.50 | war | minus_: are the latest fyi |
| 20:45.55 | minus_ | war, ok |
| 20:46.06 | Ace2016 | !kde |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | well, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
| 20:46.07 | war | minus, also |
| 20:46.13 | war | minus_: yif you install the nvidia ones |
| 20:46.19 | war | minus_: 'nv' changes to nvidia |
| 20:46.22 | war | minus_: :) |
| 20:46.22 | Ace2016 | #join #kde |
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| 20:46.28 | minus_ | war, I know :P |
| 20:46.30 | war | ok |
| 20:46.39 | war | minus_: then what is the problem if u know all this? :) |
| 20:46.43 | WillieDaPimp | war, thanks i got that one working :) |
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| 20:46.56 | war | WillieDaPimp: good :) |
| 20:47.00 | minus_ | war, I know that "nv" should be "nvidia" with the nvidia driver... |
| 20:47.11 | minus_ | though I didn't know about that vesa -> nv thingy |
| 20:47.12 | war | minus_: ok... so did you ever have 1920x1200 working? |
| 20:47.14 | war | ah k |
| 20:47.24 | minus_ | anyways... |
| 20:47.27 | minus_ | reboot X |
| 20:47.30 | war | ok |
| 20:47.36 | popov_ | hello, mkinitrd command not found, how can i install it? thanks!! |
| 20:47.41 | skejoe | Hi. Reasently I updated from stable to testing and kernel did so too, but now I can't get any sound in the new kernel. My audio card is a: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 20:48.22 | minus_ | Thank you war :) |
| 20:48.23 | et | skejoe: i got that fixed by installing alsa from source *shrug* don't know if there's a better way |
| 20:48.27 | war | minus_: working ?:) |
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| 20:48.40 | minus_ | war, would I thank you If it didn't? |
| 20:48.52 | skejoe | et: hmm okay :( |
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| 20:49.14 | war | skejoe: i have the same board, you need the following option enabled <*> Intel HD Audio |
| 20:49.21 | war | minus_: np. |
| 20:49.37 | skejoe | war: enabled where? |
| 20:49.42 | war | skejoe: in the kernel |
| 20:49.54 | war | # grep -i intel .config -> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL=y |
| 20:50.22 | minus_ | war, do you know how I get NetworkManager Applet running again? Its running, though it says that im not connected.. |
| 20:50.55 | et | war: it's a module in the stock kernel, and that module doesn't seem to work |
| 20:50.56 | war | minus_: hmm that is a good question for the wm guys, #gnome/#kde etc, I have a basic kde desktop here w/xchat & xterms, not a big applet user |
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| 20:50.59 | skejoe | war: so I what would I do to fix it? rebuild the kernel? |
| 20:51.12 | war | et: oh |
| 20:51.15 | war | et: i compile my own |
| 20:51.19 | war | weird bug |
| 20:51.30 | war | skejoe: switch to old kernel and email bugs@submit.debian.org ? |
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| 20:51.35 | war | skejoe: or learn how to compile your own kernel |
| 20:51.43 | war | submit@bugs.debian rather |
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| 20:51.48 | minus_ | war, Me neither rly.. Just that when it worked out of the box it could just as well be there.. :P |
| 20:51.59 | skejoe | war: I know how to compile it but I'm to lazy :P |
| 20:52.08 | et | as i said, recompiling the kernel isn't neccessary, alsa does it ;) |
| 20:52.08 | war | skejoe: ok |
| 20:52.28 | war | minus_: ah |
| 20:52.55 | skejoe | Guess I will recompile alsa tomorrow. Thanks et and war :) |
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| 20:53.00 | minus_ | Maybe I should install xfce4 right away instead... |
| 20:53.11 | Eulex | sounds like a plan |
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| 20:53.17 | RichiH | is there any way to find out what process is causing the heaps of waiting cpu time? |
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| 20:53.40 | war | top/atop/htop? |
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| 20:54.52 | tuxre | hello there. im trying to build the fglrx-kernel-src right now, but i get this error(s): http://cpp.tastethepaste.org/494 . would be very happy if you could help me |
| 20:55.00 | popov_ | how can i install mkinitrd command please?? |
| 20:55.09 | Wyzard | war: hey, cool... I knew about htop, but hadn't known about atop |
| 20:55.14 | Wyzard | popov_: initramfs-tools |
| 20:55.15 | war | popov_: apt-file search mkinitrd |
| 20:55.37 | Wyzard | popov_: It's mkinitramfs now... mkinitrd is obsolete and doesn't work with current kernels |
| 20:56.33 | war | Wyzard has it down apt-get install -y initramfs-tools |
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| 20:58.55 | popov_ | thanks all, thanks wyzard!! |
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| 20:59.17 | Ace2016 | why does there have to be a channel limit? |
| 20:59.31 | Wyzard | popov_: The package should be installed already, since Debian's packaged kernels depend on it |
| 20:59.35 | war | Ace2016: to prevent spammers from mass joining the channel |
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| 21:00.36 | popov_ | yes Wyzard, it works, thanks |
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| 21:00.47 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: to protect against join floods |
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| 21:00.52 | Ace2016 | oh ok, it would only take like 10 to spam fast enough to make sure you get everything you need on adjacent lines and enough to avoid being auto kicked for flooding right? |
| 21:00.54 | minus_ | Ah... Linux.. Love it! |
| 21:01.13 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: no, it's slightly more complex than that |
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| 21:01.17 | justme | does someone has a hp dv9033cl ? |
| 21:01.51 | nvz | justyou |
| 21:02.02 | Ace2016 | i have a hp dv 9562ev, why do you ask |
| 21:02.24 | Ace2016 | p |
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| 21:03.03 | Ace2016 | omg i just realisd all the cool touch buttons at the top work in linux too |
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| 21:03.59 | Ace2016 | well they work now, they didn't with ethc's kernel and that didn't even detect my second hard disk |
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| 21:08.13 | mhall | I am working on a hosted Debian Xen VPS. I have a lot of experience on VMWare ESX but not Xen, so I am a bit confused about how the Xen kernel image [2.6.18-3-xen-vserver-amd64] works. Can any RAM efficiency be gained by messing with the configuration VPS's kernel or using 32-bit vs. 64-bit? |
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| 21:11.06 | Wyzard | mhall: Xen just gives each domain a slice of the physical RAM |
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| 21:12.05 | Wyzard | mhall: What do you mean by "RAM efficiency"? |
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| 21:14.56 | WillieDaPimp | how do i add the key for deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main ?? |
| 21:15.15 | Wyzard | mhall: Note that vserver is another layer of virtualization, "below" Xen |
| 21:15.21 | war | WillieDaPimp: the way i showed you earlier should work |
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| 21:15.38 | fas3r_ | what the user who execute command with shell_exec() in php ? it's the user who execute apache ? |
| 21:15.44 | Wyzard | mhall: It creates more lightweight virtual machines that share a single kernel |
| 21:15.51 | WillieDaPimp | war, yea, i tried that but it hung up when requesting the key .. |
| 21:15.53 | war | WillieDaPimp: gpg --armor --export 4B2B2B9E | apt-key add - |
| 21:16.03 | Wyzard | mhall: The xen-vserver kernel supports both -- create multiple Xen domains, and multiple vservers within each |
| 21:16.06 | war | WillieDaPimp: then apt-update |
| 21:16.11 | war | WillieDaPimp: apt-get update after |
| 21:16.23 | mhall | Wyzard: Well I don't have a lot of RAM since I signed up for an inexpensive account. I have a box reliable enough to be a webserver. So I just need this for imaps / smtp-auth. |
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| 21:16.43 | Wyzard | mhall: Do you have a whole Xen domain, or just a vserver within it? |
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| 21:17.35 | mhall | Wyzard: So I am wondering if playing with the kernel is worth the trouble. Though now it seems I might be screwed because it looks like they deleted my bash shell access on the mgmt / physical machine and replaced it with xen-shell only... from which I don't seem to be able to escape. :-( |
| 21:17.58 | WillieDaPimp | war, thanks |
| 21:17.59 | mhall | Wyzard: I'm pretty sure it's a full Xen domain... I have the serial console access. |
| 21:18.03 | war | WillieDaPimp: np. |
| 21:18.04 | Wyzard | mhall: I don't see what benefit you'd gain from "playing with the kernel", especially if you don't have anything specific in mind |
| 21:18.40 | mhall | Wyzard: Well I've compiled a lot of kernels and you can't swap the kernel... so my thinking was maybe there is some unneeded stuff I could strip out? |
| 21:18.43 | Wyzard | mhall: and since Xen domU kernels are loaded by dom0, from a filesystem mounted by dom0, you probably can't actually replace your kernel anyway |
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| 21:19.11 | mhall | Wyzard: But I figured it's not worth the trouble unless there is a chance of being able to remove some stuff which is consuming very much RAM. |
| 21:19.23 | Wyzard | mhall: since whatever vmlinuz file is in your virtual machine's filesystem probably isn't the kernel that the hypervisor is loading |
| 21:19.31 | Wyzard | mhall: Debian's kernels have all the drivers built as modules |
| 21:19.54 | Wyzard | mhall: Only the modules that are needed get loaded, and modules that aren't loaded don't consume any RAM |
| 21:20.11 | mhall | Wyzard: I was able to get to the dom0 kernel image file through ssh previously... I might still be able to do so with sftp... haven't tried. |
| 21:20.45 | mhall | Wyzard: My thinking was eliminating modules entirely and deleting all non essential feature groups from the configuration. |
| 21:20.49 | phanter | Anyone using mpd? Because I cannot get it to play streams. If I try to add a asx stream to it then it will not even place it in the playlist. Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong (google did not help me yet)? |
| 21:21.04 | mhall | Wyzard: But it was unclear to me if Xen and vserver kernels had had that done to them already by the developers or not. |
| 21:21.05 | phanter | the documentation does actually say that it should be able to play asx streams with the ffmpeg plugin, but I do not know how to get that in MPD |
| 21:21.14 | Wyzard | mhall: Eliminating modules doesn't save you any RAM if the modules aren't being loaded anyway |
| 21:21.23 | Wyzard | mhall: It might save you a few megabytes of disk space, but that's negligible |
| 21:21.49 | mhall | Wyzard: Right besides which I have 4 Gbyte of that... acceptable for my purposes and sparsely occupied according to df -h |
| 21:21.52 | bush | how can i make vmware use arts for sound instead of dsp |
| 21:22.08 | mhall | Wyzard: Now the other question... is it worthwhile to use 32-bit to save RAM? |
| 21:22.14 | Wyzard | mhall: and if you use a custom kernel, you lose the benefit of automatic security updates |
| 21:22.26 | Wyzard | mhall: dunno how much of a difference that makes... try it and find out |
| 21:22.40 | mhall | Wyzard: Fair enough... I'll reimage and see what I can get |
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| 21:22.53 | mhall | Wyzard: I might as well experiment on it now before it routes mails. |
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| 21:24.30 | pzn | gtk-gnutella is not available for etch. which alternative package can I use? |
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| 21:26.43 | abrotman | pzn: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 21:28.10 | pzn | abrotman: the goal was to install etch packages only, but I can install it by compiling in my /home. thanks! |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | pzn: you can do that also ... |
| 21:28.50 | abrotman | pzn: the reason for its exclusion is because the protocol/software apparently changes very often |
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| 21:30.00 | pzn | abrotman: yes... I have one old sarge machine and it refuses to run because of protocol mismatch. |
| 21:30.24 | abrotman | pzn: yeah .. i think there's an override .. but some versions have even been blacklisted from the network |
| 21:30.30 | kantor | hi, I have a question: in the time and date settings (time-admin) when I select the "Synchronize with internet servers" (supposing my time setting is not accurate +/- 20 minutes for example) why tthe time is not corrected, snchronized with the selected time server ? (the ntp server is installed) |
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| 21:30.49 | mhall | Gnutells is a remarkably bad protocol. |
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| 21:31.49 | WillieDaPimp | is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian testing main contrib non-free dead?? i can't seem to get it to work |
| 21:31.56 | pzn | kantor: I'd stop ntp, run "ntpdate some.server.ip.address", so it will adjust if for the first time. then start ntp and it must be OK. |
| 21:32.15 | war | WillieDaPimp: yes |
| 21:32.19 | war | WillieDaPimp: it is the one i gave u |
| 21:32.30 | pzn | kantor: I usually add to cron daily "hwclock -w" to make Bios clock syncronized. |
| 21:32.33 | WillieDaPimp | war, oh so it has just changed then ? |
| 21:32.42 | war | WillieDaPimp: yup |
| 21:32.54 | kantor | pzn, thanks ! |
| 21:33.47 | jelly-home | heh. "lso you may be surprised that the Debian folks not only make odd changes to the installation, but fortunately document them well." -- from http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianPHP |
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| 21:37.20 | jzxu | are dist-upgrades dangerous? I mean, how well-informed should I be before I do one? |
| 21:37.37 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: depends; they have the potential to be |
| 21:37.51 | jzxu | I'm upgrading from etch to lenny |
| 21:37.51 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: the most important thing is to just make sure that what dist-upgrade is proposing to do makes sense |
| 21:38.07 | jzxu | dondelelcaro: I checked that, and it seems fine |
| 21:38.39 | dondelelcaro | then you should be ok |
| 21:39.00 | jzxu | I can imagine that I might have to recompile some progs I compiled myself |
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| 21:41.31 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:41.54 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: possibly, but generally not, unless the libraries that they depend on are removed. |
| 21:42.30 | nse | does anybody know a good alarm clock for gnome? |
| 21:43.17 | WillieDaPimp | trying to install emerald but i get this error : Depends: compiz-core (>= 0.5.5) but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:43.23 | WillieDaPimp | and a bunch more like it |
| 21:43.49 | abrotman | nse: there's one to use xmms as an alarm clock |
| 21:44.13 | dondelelcaro | nse: I'm personally a fan of my shell script that does it |
| 21:44.25 | nse | abrotman: well, I listen to music with mocp |
| 21:44.34 | mentor | abrotman: I saw that you were away :) |
| 21:44.38 | abrotman | nse: you could just use atd to do it |
| 21:44.44 | dondelelcaro | nse: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/alarm |
| 21:44.46 | mentor | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:44.50 | abrotman | mentor: i was doing my laundry so you wouldn't kick me because of my smelly clothes! :) |
| 21:45.02 | abrotman | of course .. then i went biking and got all smelly :) |
| 21:45.09 | mentor | abrotman: Well, thank God, if I could have smelt them from here |
| 21:45.31 | nse | dondelelcaro: I learned about at one day but I forgot it, and now I need something faster |
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| 21:46.13 | jzxu | I learned two important things today: aptitude is great, and that you can scroll in irssi with page-up page-down |
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| 21:46.40 | jzxu | amazingly, I've used it for quite some time with only lastlog |
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| 21:48.12 | dondelelcaro | nse: uh.. it doesn't use at |
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| 21:53.25 | abrotman | pzn: did you check uhm .. volatile for the gtk-gnutella ? |
| 21:54.11 | abrotman | pzn: nevermind .. not there either .. i'm surprised it's not at backports.org .. but whatever |
| 21:54.51 | pzn | abrotman: yes... I looked at backports.org, but I forgot about volatile... I have just compiled it from sid. |
| 21:54.58 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:55.40 | pzn | abrotman: nice, the compiled sid version worked! |
| 21:56.45 | abrotman | yep .. the joys of the internet .. pzn gets gnutella .. kills his ISP and goes for dinner :) |
| 21:57.06 | cr3 | when the postinst script of a debian package fails, is there a way to get the xtrace output from running that script? |
| 21:57.38 | abrotman | set -x |
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| 21:59.12 | cr3 | abrotman: that doesn't seem to propagate when the confmodule calls frontend mypkg.postinst configure |
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| 21:59.44 | Sebboh | I read somewhere that some large percentage of all internet traffic is bittorrent traffic. Like, not just peer-2-peer in general, but, bt protocol specifically. |
| 22:00.15 | Ben_Cs | do debian and ubuntu use the same kernel? so if i have a network problem in ubuntu it's the same in debian? |
| 22:00.20 | abrotman | no they do not |
| 22:00.44 | abrotman | and it's not just the kernel that might be different |
| 22:00.55 | azeem_ | Ben_Cs: are you saying debbie is running Ubuntu? |
| 22:01.37 | abrotman | debbie? |
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| 22:02.27 | justme | hey... |
| 22:02.29 | Ben_Cs | azeem_: currently yes |
| 22:02.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: his debian machine |
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| 22:02.38 | justme | debian ia64 is for core 2 duo? |
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| 22:02.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: the other one's called winnie |
| 22:02.59 | abrotman | justme: no |
| 22:03.02 | Ben_Cs | azeem_: i hop arround from buntu to debian and vice versa |
| 22:03.03 | jelly-home | justme: no. you want amd64 |
| 22:03.05 | abrotman | justme: you want amd64 |
| 22:03.22 | jelly-home | !tell abrotman -about enter :-> |
| 22:03.28 | justme | amd64 for intel? |
| 22:03.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:03.34 | abrotman | justme: yes |
| 22:03.46 | justme | okay, thanks |
| 22:03.48 | abrotman | justme: amd64 is a generic name .. it covers the amd64 and the intel em64-t |
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| 22:04.47 | jelly-home | justme: even so, you might still want to install i386 if you want things like flash and java plugins to "just work" |
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| 22:05.14 | marinosi | hello..I try m-a prepare && m-a get rt2500 && m-a build rt2500 but it fails..I have linux-headers . |
| 22:05.20 | marinosi | http://rafb.net/p/a7Yvvw63.html |
| 22:05.22 | mazzanet | /dev/hdc: ST380011A: drive is sleeping |
| 22:05.25 | marinosi | what could be wrong |
| 22:05.25 | mazzanet | erm.. |
| 22:06.04 | Ben_Cs | haaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! debian didn't want to work with my router. but then solaris works fine with it. damn damn damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:06.18 | justme | well, when java and flash will be supported? its annoying... |
| 22:06.44 | jelly-home | justme: that's a good question for Sun and Adobe respectively. |
| 22:07.17 | abrotman | marinosi: checked the BTS for that package ? |
| 22:07.18 | jelly-home | justme: btw, java is there. java plugin (for applets inside the browser) isn't. |
| 22:07.22 | justme | its been a while |
| 22:08.43 | marinosi | abrotman: BTS? |
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| 22:09.16 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 22:09.16 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:09.30 | psychonate | In what file does gnome keep its Startup Program entries? |
| 22:10.18 | psychonate | I think a compiz entry is causing gnome not to start entirely while using ~100% of my CPU |
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| 22:14.26 | x19924 | I am getting a "no such file/directory" error from bash when I try to run an executable file, even though the executable file exists. Why could this be happening? |
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| 22:15.58 | Sirius6032 | **syntax error |
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| 22:20.47 | pzn | any suggestion for flash player in iceweasel debian etch amd64? libflash-moz-plugin does not work properly... locks the browser too frequently.. |
| 22:21.25 | diafic_ | night all |
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| 22:22.16 | x19924 | I can ls and see the file (which is nonempty), but bash can't find it. That's bizarre. |
| 22:22.42 | pzn | x19924: does this work? /bin/true |
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| 22:23.09 | pzn | x19924: after that: cd /bin; ./true |
| 22:23.37 | pzn | x19924: "true" is supposed to work. it will just do nothing (no error messages on screen) |
| 22:23.49 | x19924 | Yes, "true" works. |
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| 22:25.04 | nvz | x19924: paste an example containing the command you are running, the output as well as the output of ls -l on the file, id, and echo $PATH will help |
| 22:25.21 | x19924 | Ok, hold on. |
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| 22:25.35 | nvz | paste it in a pastebin |
| 22:26.00 | x19924 | Will do. |
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| 22:28.49 | x19924 | http://pastebin.com/d76c3e656 |
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| 22:32.14 | hark | x19924: run hash -r and try again |
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| 22:32.43 | hark | oh nm |
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| 22:34.31 | x19924 | I tried "hash -r", but I am still getting the "No such file/directory" error. |
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| 22:35.13 | basix | is there a good tool to remote install Debian machines? I've seen cobbler in action ( On Fedora ). I wonder if there is anything similar for Debian??? |
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| 22:35.59 | x19924 | Interestingly enough, "openwin" is the only one that executes out of all those files... |
| 22:36.44 | abrotman | basix: fai perhaps ? |
| 22:36.50 | jelly-home | basix: maybe fai (haven't tried it) |
| 22:37.16 | basix | abrotman, have you tried it? |
| 22:38.28 | abrotman | basix: no need .. but you can also do the regular install over ssh |
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| 22:39.55 | basix | abrotman, okay...i just wanted something that requires zero user intervention. the clients just need to boot off PXE and then the server handles the complete install. |
| 22:40.09 | abrotman | you can preseed the installer |
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| 22:40.32 | jelly-home | !preseed |
| 22:40.32 | dpkg | i guess preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 22:40.34 | basix | okay...i'll cehck it out |
| 22:40.51 | pzn | x19924: does openwin works if you call it with the full path? /usr/openwin/bin/openwin |
| 22:41.40 | x19924 | Yes, it works with the full path or just "openwin". |
| 22:42.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: it was in 2.7 at least also |
| 22:42.17 | abrotman | erm .. solaris7 |
| 22:42.24 | abrotman | whatever wacky version number they gave it |
| 22:42.26 | jelly-home | yeah, whatever :-) |
| 22:42.34 | abrotman | wait .. no SunOS5.7! |
| 22:42.51 | x19924 | It's also in Solaris 8. |
| 22:43.09 | x19924 | SunOS 5.9. |
| 22:43.16 | x19924 | I believe.... |
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| 22:43.38 | x19924 | I have the Linux verison though. |
| 22:44.29 | pzn | x19924: I got a similar problem once, when I changed the directory structure and all previously opened bash still tried to call programs from old directory structure... |
| 22:44.39 | pzn | x19924: but I don't think this is your case. |
| 22:44.54 | pzn | x19924: sorry... I have no hints :( |
| 22:45.28 | jelly-home | x19924: is the executable in question a shell script? |
| 22:45.50 | x19924 | No, it should be a binary executable. |
| 22:46.06 | abrotman | i think 9 was the first with cde/gnome |
| 22:46.10 | jelly-home | x19924: pastebin "file /path/to/your/binary" |
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| 22:46.23 | x19924 | "more olvwm" tells me, "This is not a text file." |
| 22:46.24 | jelly-home | er, just paste, it's one loine |
| 22:47.18 | x19924 | /usr/openwin/bin/olvwm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 22:47.27 | jelly-home | good. |
| 22:47.46 | jelly-home | x19924: now pastebin "ldd -v /usr/openwin/bin/olvwm" |
| 22:47.47 | hark | could be a library issue |
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| 22:47.55 | popov_ | hello again, after compile and install new kernel HAL is not working, i plug my usb disk or click the cd icon and says something like this funtion is avaliable with HAL. |
| 22:48.16 | jelly-home | or a awfully old binary wanting ld.so and libc5 |
| 22:48.22 | popov_ | I reinstalled hal and still the same |
| 22:49.35 | aphexer | What's the recommended place to put python scripts? |
| 22:49.41 | aphexer | (I'm packaging them) |
| 22:49.54 | jelly-home | aphexer: callable by user? |
| 22:49.57 | aphexer | They are to be called from init scripts |
| 22:49.58 | nvz | aphexer: depends on their function, consult the FHS |
| 22:50.23 | aphexer | It's a login script, authenticating to some server to get internet access |
| 22:50.28 | nvz | !fhs |
| 22:50.28 | dpkg | from memory, fhs is Unlike Gobolinux or OS X, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
| 22:50.57 | x19924 | "ldd -v /usr/openwin/bin/olvwm" : /usr/bin/ldd: line 124: /usr/openwin/bin/olvwm: No such file or directory |
| 22:51.00 | jelly-home | aphexer: are they scripts or modules? I'd put them in /usr/share/package-name if I didn't know any better |
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| 22:51.19 | aphexer | nvz: thanks, I'll read that |
| 22:51.30 | abrotman | well . it's actually a policy thing .. not FHS |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | but whatever |
| 22:51.39 | aphexer | jelly-home: well a few module scripts, and one "main" script, that has to be called from the init script. |
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| 22:51.51 | freezer | hi |
| 22:51.52 | jelly-home | x19924: hah! was the archive you unpacked it from older than say 1998? |
| 22:51.53 | nvz | abrotman: debian-policy contains the FHS which debian follows |
| 22:52.00 | freezer | bought a thinkpad from: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190152436272 |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | nvz: to the letter ? |
| 22:52.11 | popov_ | help with HAL please,, did i miss something when i compiled the kernel? |
| 22:52.18 | freezer | it has some damages and software lincenses were NOT included, now the seller writes e.g.: |
| 22:52.25 | freezer | This is a personal laptop sale and the auction did not state that copies of my licenses would be transfered, therefore I cannot compensate you for that, if you such you will have to obtain the from the vendor. |
| 22:52.51 | abrotman | freezer: what does an IBM thinkpad and MS Windows licenses have to do with debian ? |
| 22:52.52 | freezer | is this correct? |
| 22:52.55 | x19924 | Yes. I think its from 1996. |
| 22:52.59 | nvz | abrotman: nobody follows FHS to the letter.. its an outline |
| 22:53.09 | x19924 | June 1996. |
| 22:53.14 | x19924 | Is that a problem? |
| 22:53.26 | freezer | abrotman, i need some opinions from people from the US, i know its OT |
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| 22:53.40 | sam1337 | When debian lenny comes out next year will I be able to switch between the bsd and linux kernel on the same installation? |
| 22:53.52 | dondelelcaro | freezer: we can't give you legal advice, and licensing questions definetly aren't on topic here. |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | freezer: you could try ##hardware or ##windows or #defocus .. but offhand .. i'd say they are OEM licenses and *must* be transferred with the machine |
| 22:54.00 | dondelelcaro | sam1337: probably not |
| 22:54.43 | jelly-home | x19924: Yes. It probably uses really old glibc. I'm sorry to say but I don't see it packaged with Debian etch. |
| 22:54.50 | dondelelcaro | sam1337: but if you want to be able to do that, jumping in and making it happen is the way to do so |
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| 22:55.46 | sam1337 | dondelelcaro I would love that feature to bits and hope it will be implemented into debian but unfortunately I am not a developer, yet :( |
| 22:56.01 | x19924 | Hmm...No backwards compatability then? Is that the reason for "No such file/directory"? |
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| 22:57.20 | jelly-home | x19924: indirectly, yes. I _think_ the kernel tries the ELF file, tries to load the old dynamic linker from /lib/ld.so, and fails with that error |
| 22:57.29 | jelly-home | s/tries/reads/ |
| 22:58.43 | x19924 | Ah yes, I remember the binary readme said something about changing the "ld.so.config" file, which couldn't find. |
| 22:58.51 | jelly-home | x19924: there are "ldso" and "libc5" packages in oldstable, if you install them, at least ldd might provide more data about other missing libs. |
| 22:59.28 | jelly-home | x19924: to be honest I don't think libc5 will work with the kernel from etch. sorry, too old. |
| 22:59.45 | x19924 | I have the sources, so I might try to recompile them. |
| 23:00.12 | jelly-home | x19924: good news is software from say 1998-1999 still works. probably. :-) |
| 23:00.31 | hark | x19924: run "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --verify --list /usr/openwin/bin/olvwm" |
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| 23:01.45 | karmatronic | hi folks |
| 23:02.00 | x19924 | --> /usr/openwin/bin/olvwm: error while loading shared libraries: libolgx.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 23:02.10 | disposable | i've installed tightvncserver on my computer at work. i left the machine on, with me logged into X. i now ssh-ed onto that machine, entered 'tightvncserver',it asked for a password which i entered. i used xtightvncviewer to connect to that machine, but all i get is a grey screen with default X cursor (the X shaped one). what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:02.15 | karmatronic | is it impossible to run fluxbox+compiz? |
| 23:02.17 | Gr4ndie | is a screen session protectable? |
| 23:02.24 | Gr4ndie | with a password? |
| 23:02.31 | abrotman | vlock maybe? |
| 23:02.50 | hark | !find libolgx.so.3 etch |
| 23:02.52 | jelly-home | heh. I still have /lib/ld.so on my testing system. |
| 23:02.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libolgx.so.3' (1): (/usr/lib/{libolgx.so.3|libolgx.so.3.2.4}) in x11/xviewg. |
| 23:03.02 | hark | x19924: you can try ^ |
| 23:03.17 | karmatronic | disposable: use x11 vnc if you want access to your remote windows |
| 23:03.43 | karmatronic | disposable: by default , tigntvnc will launch a new "X session" |
| 23:04.03 | disposable | karmatronic, what's wrong with tightvnc? i thought it offered better compression |
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| 23:04.50 | x19924 | libolgx* is actually in /usr/openwin/lib |
| 23:05.12 | disposable | karmatronic, but i did connect to a specific screen (i think). i entered machinee's ip followed by :1 as it suggested when i executed the server. |
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| 23:05.51 | karmatronic | disposable: yeah, but the :1 suggests it s anew screen,not the one ( i suppose) you want to access) |
| 23:06.17 | x19924 | Well thanks for the answers. I guess the best thing to do is to try to recompile and hope for the best. :) |
| 23:06.22 | x19924 | Goodbye. |
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| 23:07.06 | disposable | karmatronic, hmm.... |
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| 23:08.16 | schippes | ll |
| 23:08.22 | schippes | ops... |
| 23:08.29 | hark | karmatronic: compiz itself is a wm, so no :) |
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| 23:08.41 | karmatronic | disposable: there s probably an option to pass to tightvnc to access you current screen |
| 23:08.57 | karmatronic | hark: yeah that s my conclusion too :) |
| 23:09.08 | disposable | karmatronic, thank you, i'll investigate |
| 23:10.02 | Nihill | if theres a package I want thats in sid would it bork my computer if I installed it on etch? |
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| 23:10.25 | hark | lr\\ |
| 23:10.28 | jelly-home | Nihill: yes |
| 23:11.03 | jelly-home | !tell Nihill about simple sid backport |
| 23:12.01 | Nihill | thanks jelly-home |
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| 23:13.49 | hellop1 | Ok, I found it in input. I'm having a weird problem where when switching to consolse with cltr-alt-FX.. F2, F5, F6, F7 work, F1, F3, F4 do not. All the keys make stuff happen when a cat the kwyboard device. |
| 23:14.07 | hellop1 | How can I diagnose why I can't switch to the first tty? inittab looks fine |
| 23:15.47 | hellop1 | sorry for typos... |
| 23:16.39 | cr3 | how can I unset a debconf selection which was set with debconf-set-selections? |
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| 23:18.42 | schippes | what is the best way to archive my home directory on dvd ? makeisofs fails due to excessive depth of directories (.openoffice, .vmware etc) , doing a tar does non work as the resulting file is > 2GB... |
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| 23:19.42 | schippes | guess my only choise is growisofs , |
| 23:19.46 | freezer | gzipped tar? |
| 23:19.51 | hellop1 | yes |
| 23:20.04 | hellop1 | tar -zcvf |
| 23:20.07 | schippes | gzipped tar is >2Gb, the home dir is < 4.3GB |
| 23:20.19 | somian[0] | aha |
| 23:20.48 | freezer | and why is >2gb a problem? |
| 23:20.59 | hellop1 | I wonder if you could pipe tar to DVD burner... |
| 23:21.14 | schippes | makeisofs does not handle >2GB files afaik |
| 23:21.31 | freezer | cant you use a different file system on DVD? |
| 23:22.07 | somian[0] | And, schippes, is there not some switch to makeisofs that does some hack to deal with the too-deep subdirs? |
| 23:22.12 | jelly-home | udf, for example (tho I have no idea whether it works with >=2GB files) |
| 23:22.25 | schippes | what read only fs can i use ? perhaps removing the joliet and using -R (Rock Ridge) ... |
| 23:22.26 | jelly-home | schippes: why not just split the archive. |
| 23:22.38 | freezer | great idea! |
| 23:22.42 | somian[0] | twas 4 or 5 weeks ago i last read its manpage, sorry if that's a useless idea. |
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| 23:22.58 | jelly-home | schippes: and you definitely want -r or -R. |
| 23:23.14 | valdyn | schippes: you can write that tar straight to disk too |
| 23:23.25 | schippes | yes jelly, there are many possibilities, but you know, slittting the archive makes everything more difficult to handle, having a 1:1 copy of the /home dir on dvd would be nicer |
| 23:23.57 | schippes | ok thank you all |
| 23:23.59 | valdyn | schippes: there's no need for a fs if its only one file |
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| 23:24.28 | somian[0] | schippes: one drawback to 1:1 is that the perms get messed up, each file becomes read-only, does it not? |
| 23:24.33 | schippes | yes val, this is a 3rd option :-) can recover with a dd commnd:-) |
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| 23:24.51 | jelly-home | schippes: i don't see how "cat /cdrom/* | tar ...f -" is significantly more difficult than "tar ...f /cdrom/foo.tar" |
| 23:24.55 | somian[0] | That's one main reason i'd prefer writing a tar to a storage medium |
| 23:25.14 | valdyn | !uuoc jelly-home |
| 23:25.44 | jelly-home | valdyn: tar can deal with split archives? |
| 23:25.48 | squisher | Hi, can anyone tell me what http://ftp-master.debian.org/~ajt/new/ talks about? I'm looking for libpt-1.10.10, which is described there, but it's not in experimental, or incoming... so what does the ftp-master website list? |
| 23:25.53 | schippes | jelly , i agree w you, its the same if you intend to restore, but if you want to browse the archive it takes wayy to long |
| 23:26.11 | schippes | too |
| 23:26.11 | jelly-home | schippes: if you want to browser, you don't use tar. |
| 23:26.35 | abrotman | squisher: it's waiting for approval i'd guess |
| 23:26.51 | jelly-home | dump/restore are more friendly to browsing |
| 23:26.55 | valdyn | Nihill: because they have unsupported hardware |
| 23:27.01 | hellop1 | somian[0], no you can --preserve-permissions, and since you'll have the same UIDs (users) it should work fine |
| 23:27.08 | Nihill | well there is that I suppose |
| 23:27.10 | squisher | abrotman: Hm, I thought that's what incoming was for |
| 23:27.10 | schippes | does dump create a single file ? |
| 23:27.25 | abrotman | squisher: it has to pass the ftp-master before it hits incoming |
| 23:27.37 | abrotman | squisher: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | squisher: but i don't see it there |
| 23:28.25 | squisher | abrotman: it's pwlib |
| 23:28.36 | abrotman | you said libpt |
| 23:28.44 | squisher | abrotman: I'm guessing you can't tell me why it's been sitting there for 2 weeks... :-) |
| 23:28.55 | squisher | abrotman: pwlib is the source package which produces libpt |
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| 23:29.02 | abrotman | squisher: volunteer project? no time ? |
| 23:29.25 | squisher | abrotman: I know =) Sorry, it was more a retorical question |
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| 23:29.43 | abrotman | squisher: you can bug the ftp-masters .. but i doubt that'll help |
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| 23:30.28 | squisher | abrotman: I agree, probably has no use (I even found an email on debian-bugs-dist about it). |
| 23:30.30 | jelly-home | schippes: dump creates a single file by default if it can. manual says you can specify the volume size. |
| 23:30.54 | schippes | ok thank you Jelly ! |
| 23:31.07 | schippes | good nite all |
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| 23:31.22 | squisher | abrotman: thanks for the help |
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| 23:31.57 | squisher | can anyone recommend me a program to test a webcam? |
| 23:31.59 | D4N` | Hi |
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| 23:32.29 | somian[0] | hellop1: acknowledged, thanks |
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| 23:34.07 | valdyn | squisher: mplayer ? |
| 23:34.22 | valdyn | squisher: or xawtv i suppose or tvtime |
| 23:34.46 | fas3r_ | when i generate a certiificat with openssl it's possible it don't ask distingueshname,etc,etc ? |
| 23:34.54 | squisher | valdyn: Yeah, mplayer sounds good, thanks. I just realized that the uvc drivers are not in the kernel, so I need to compile them first :) |
| 23:36.14 | squisher | fas3r_: I think what is being asked for is controlled by the openssl config file |
| 23:37.03 | fas3r_ | squisher: yes i have config it |
| 23:38.27 | squisher | fas3r_: it's been a while, but somewhere in openssl.cnf you can enter default values for fields that you don't want to get asked about |
| 23:38.33 | simonrvn | i think i might have the rest of that smoked salmon... damned good :) |
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| 23:40.14 | jelly-home | valdyn: you didn't explain the uuoc, btw. I'd appreciate a pointer to the correct way how of dealing with split archives |
| 23:40.33 | squisher | valdyn: have you ever used mplayer for that? I can run mplayer tv:// , but it only gives me a green window and uses 100% CPU |
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| 23:41.30 | wfq_ | Hi |
| 23:41.36 | squisher | hmm, nevermind mplayer selected the 'dummy' driver, so I guess it didn't detect the right device |
| 23:41.45 | valdyn | jelly-home: nah, i was just to fast |
| 23:41.57 | valdyn | squisher: nope, i dont have a webcam |
| 23:42.21 | wfq_ | if I pass some dns register for some websites to another server, How could I know when I should switch off the former server? |
| 23:42.34 | valdyn | squisher: and i dont know all the interfaces they use.. v4l1 and v4l2 and maybe even something else |
| 23:42.56 | valdyn | squisher: tvtime is for framegrabbers, mplayer for mpeg streams |
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| 23:43.08 | wfq_ | I mean, to migrate the dns's registers for some websites to another one and switch off the former? |
| 23:43.13 | valdyn | squisher: i suppose most webcams are just framegrabbers |
| 23:44.08 | squisher | valdyn: I've read somewhere that the uvc driver uses v4l2. I found a command line that's supposed to work for mplayer, but it bails out for me |
| 23:45.14 | cafuego | in soviet australia, the salmon smokes you |
| 23:45.16 | jelly-home | valdyn: btw, found -M option for tar -x and eg. -B for tar -c but they're clumsier than a cat (cats are rather elegant beasts) |
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| 23:45.43 | somian[0] | Comes da revolution, everyone will be smoked by salmon and LIKE IT. |
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| 23:46.11 | cafuego | wfq_: Your wait for $TTL seconds, eh? |
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| 23:46.45 | simonrvn | cafuego: heh cute |
| 23:46.50 | cafuego | wfq_: That's usually about a week; however, expiry tends to be set a bit lower, so you can probably get away with a day or two. |
| 23:47.09 | tuxre | hi there. after installing xserver-xorg-video-ati i tried an "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but the new radeon isnt available there. it simply doesnt show up and i have no idea why. anyone of you know that problem or could help? thanks. |
| 23:47.27 | valdyn | tuxre: does 'ati' show up? |
| 23:47.34 | tuxre | yes but it doenst work |
| 23:47.41 | valdyn | tuxre: that is the same |
| 23:47.52 | cafuego | wfq_: Or switch immediately and forward dns requests on server1 to server2 using iptables. |
| 23:47.56 | valdyn | tuxre: if ati does not work, then radeon isnt going to work either |
| 23:48.08 | valdyn | tuxre: maybe you need the radeonhd driver.. what's your card? |
| 23:48.34 | tuxre | "this driver ................. provides the 'atimisc', 'r128' and 'radeon' sub-drivers." no word about 'ati' |
| 23:49.05 | wfq_ | cafuego, to be honest I don't know too much about dns but I will not able to handle the first server, so I can guess I should wait two days before switching off the former |
| 23:49.11 | valdyn | tuxre: i dont care what docs say. picking ati in xorg.conf is what is used for radeon cards |
| 23:49.20 | cafuego | tuxre: if xorg.conf is set to "ati" it automagically loads the correct driver based on the hardware it detects. |
| 23:49.26 | valdyn | tazle: same in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg,naturally |
| 23:49.33 | tuxre | valdyn: and when i deinstall this package 'ati' is still available |
| 23:49.42 | cafuego | tuxre: So all *you* do is pick "ati". |
| 23:50.05 | valdyn | tuxre: maybe its not scanning for available drivers |
| 23:50.18 | valdyn | tuxre: i dont know how it finds the list of available drivers |
| 23:50.32 | valdyn | tuxre: you want to read /var/log/Xorg.0.log instead of guessing |
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| 23:51.48 | Slyboots | Hi |
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| 23:52.43 | Slyboots | Uh, I recently installed Debian from a netboot disk, But when I run apt-get update I get "GPG error : http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 23:53.29 | cafuego | Is gnupg installed? |
| 23:53.33 | Slyboots | we |
| 23:53.35 | somian[0] | Slyboots: have you messed around with gpg somehow? |
| 23:53.42 | squisher | Slyboots: run gpgv by hand and see what happens |
| 23:53.43 | Slyboots | Its as fresh install |
| 23:53.46 | Slyboots | I've not touched aynthing |
| 23:53.56 | cafuego | Slyboots: That's not what I asked. |
| 23:54.05 | Slyboots | gpgv, Command not found |
| 23:54.14 | cafuego | Right, there's the problem. Install pnupg. |
| 23:54.19 | cafuego | gnupg as well |
| 23:54.20 | Slyboots | Sorry,I typed it in wrong |
| 23:54.45 | Slyboots | gpgv: keyblock resource '/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg: General error |
| 23:55.02 | Silvia | i need a crak on ip tables.... |
| 23:55.04 | jelly-home | pretty nu privacy guard? |
| 23:55.06 | Silvia | would be any? |
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| 23:55.31 | geo-rge | crak? looked at rustys unreliable guides? |
| 23:55.34 | jelly-home | Silvia: a what? |
| 23:55.39 | jelly-home | !es |
| 23:55.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:55.44 | cafuego | wfq_: Two days minimum, but it really does depend on the zone files. |
| 23:55.49 | aphexer | How do I build an architecture independent package (just some python scripts)? Currently it creates a _i386 deb, and when I remove the 'binary-arch' line from the debian/rules, then lintian complains it should be there... |
| 23:56.04 | Slyboots | gpkv is already installed and is the latest version |
| 23:56.07 | Silvia | jelly, iptables |
| 23:56.09 | valdyn | aphexer: 'all' is an arch too |
| 23:56.17 | cafuego | wfq_: And even then some ISPs override the ttl so they cache for longer, breaking stuff for their clients. |
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| 23:56.40 | jelly-home | Silvia: no, I was thinking of "crak" |
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| 23:56.51 | aphexer | valdyn: so, do I need the binary-arch line? There are no binaries... |
| 23:57.02 | cafuego | aphexer: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -aall (or edit the control file and set the arch to all) |
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| 23:57.04 | jelly-home | cafuego: and some domain admins put up insanely low TTLs |
| 23:57.10 | valdyn | aphexer: any debian package is called 'binary' package |
| 23:57.16 | geo-rge | Silvia: here are some resources... |
| 23:57.17 | cafuego | jelly-home: Shut up, I *need* it to be 2 seconds. |
| 23:57.19 | Slyboots | So... whats gone wrong? |
| 23:57.19 | valdyn | aphexer: even if its 'binary-all' and contains no binary |
| 23:57.23 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 23:57.23 | NiLon | what does x.x.0-8+etch7 mean in version? |
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| 23:58.02 | geo-rge | #networking, #netfilter, #iptables (channels) |
| 23:58.13 | geo-rge | rusty's unreliable guides |
| 23:58.14 | Silvia | jelly, i have a host with 2 public ip (ip1, ip2) over eth0 and a ip LAN . I have a qemu in lan. i wanna qemu gout inet with ip2, and be reached from inet with ip2 |
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| 23:58.29 | NiLon | if there's newest version (sources) let's say 1.1.4, how that could be then 0-8? :/ |
| 23:58.31 | aphexer | valdyn: I already set Architecture: all in debian/control. I need to do something else to make it generate a _all deb instead of _i386? |
| 23:58.46 | cafuego | /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO.html |
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| 23:58.54 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 23:59.06 | Ghiottone | are ia64 installation images all broken? |
| 23:59.07 | Slyboots | so uh.. I dunno |
| 23:59.18 | Slyboots | Im stuck I've no idea how to solve this and I cant update teh package list untill I do :( |
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| 23:59.39 | jelly-home | Silvia: I solved that by bridging eth0 and tun devices used by virtual machines. |
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| 23:59.48 | Silvia | jelly, me not works |
| 23:59.53 | Grandie | Does anyone know if it's possible to protect a screen session? |
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| 23:59.59 | Silvia | so i am playing with routinh |