| 00:00.15 | abrotman | in cvs ? .. which wasn't released until a month ago or so |
| 00:00.16 | stew | does debian include mpeg4 playback software at all? |
| 00:00.31 | abrotman | maybe with gstreamer |
| 00:00.31 | rmaj | uhm.. I can't play mpeg4 on debian O_o ? |
| 00:00.37 | rmaj | abrotman: yeap |
| 00:01.08 | stew | oh i guess it does |
| 00:01.19 | rmaj | abrotman: yep, so my point is in this case only gentoo users have this problem really fixed; and I wonder what in this direcdtion can be done on debian |
| 00:01.30 | stew | rmaj: is the problem fixed in unstable? |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | rmaj: that might not be true .. |
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| 00:02.34 | rmaj | stew: in debian unstable? I dunno, it isnt even really in gentoo yet I thinkl |
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| 00:02.46 | monokrome | hey |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | oh .. so you're just making stuff up! |
| 00:02.59 | monokrome | I accidentally wrote over my httpd.conf file. Anyone know a way to restore it to default? |
| 00:03.00 | rmaj | abrotman: erm? |
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| 00:03.04 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:03.09 | monokrome | I'm sure you can do it with abt in some way or another. |
| 00:03.16 | abrotman | !tell monokrome about confmiss |
| 00:03.18 | rmaj | whats abt |
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| 00:03.22 | abrotman | but backup any othe rfiles you need before you do that |
| 00:03.31 | rmaj | assume I want in debian to install something from upstream cvs (gentoo style), how to |
| 00:04.06 | monokrome | rmaj: apt. |
| 00:04.12 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: easiest way is to start with the existing debian package and apply the diff.gz to the unpacked cvs, then build the .deb |
| 00:04.26 | stew | rmaj: waid, you said the gentoo users have this problem fixed, but you also said that the fix isn't in gentoo yet? |
| 00:04.42 | rmaj | my debian stable's apt-get hangs on installing kernel wth/ |
| 00:04.44 | monokrome | confmiss? |
| 00:04.45 | stew | actually i don't really care about gentoo or gstreamer |
| 00:05.18 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: if it's hanging, you'll have to give us the full and complete error that you're seeing. |
| 00:05.20 | rmaj | stew: it isn't in testing gentoo yet; you can get it from experimental that uses cvs version |
| 00:05.45 | stew | rmaj: is it in debian yet? |
| 00:06.06 | abrotman | i didn't realize gentoo had testing and experimental .. but whatever |
| 00:06.14 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 00:07.03 | adel | lotado nhein :D |
| 00:07.17 | adel | InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11 |
| 00:07.18 | adel | InnoDB: Check that you do not already have another mysqld process |
| 00:07.18 | adel | InnoDB: using the same InnoDB data or log files. |
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| 00:07.33 | adel | Ja apanhei um monte e não consegui resolver |
| 00:07.47 | adel | alguem já passou por isso ai? |
| 00:07.50 | monokrome | I tried |
| 00:07.54 | stew | !br |
| 00:07.54 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:07.58 | monokrome | apt-get --reinstall install apache2 |
| 00:07.59 | monokrome | didn't work |
| 00:08.06 | adel | sorry |
| 00:08.09 | dondelelcaro | monokrome: reread what dpkg told you do to in regards to confmiss |
| 00:08.15 | rmaj|wrk | stew: http://cpp.tastethepaste.org/520 |
| 00:08.37 | rmaj | abrotman: yeap debian have them. and overlays for really new stuff provided by each devel btw |
| 00:08.42 | dondelelcaro | monokrome: and you want to reinstall apache2.2-common |
| 00:08.45 | rmaj | abrotman: erm, gentoo |
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| 00:09.44 | rmaj|wrk | and it is hanging there... its 100% fresh, installed hour ago from net install debian |
| 00:10.01 | monokrome | I didn't notice he talked to me. Sorry. I thought he used to message in channel? |
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| 00:10.25 | DawnLight | is there a machine that eats crt's and spits out lcd's? |
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| 00:12.46 | monokrome | abrotman: Thank you |
| 00:13.15 | nootoyahora | DawnLight, yes, it's called "factory and reclycing plant" xD |
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| 00:13.46 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: that package is little more than a virtual package |
| 00:14.09 | monokrome | It still says httpd.conf is missing tho |
| 00:14.13 | monokrome | and the file doesn't exist |
| 00:14.14 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: so most likely seomthing else is going on there; strace dpkg or whatever is actually running to see what it is (use ps axfu et al) |
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| 00:15.06 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: strange, I just installed stable debian, followed the sugestion to update.. and it fails.. :| |
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| 00:15.49 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: you haven't really given enough information for us to tell you whether it's failed or not |
| 00:15.59 | monokrome | Is there a way to just completely remove apache2 |
| 00:16.04 | monokrome | and start over fresh? :/ |
| 00:16.24 | dondelelcaro | monokrome: again, you need to apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common |
| 00:16.31 | dondelelcaro | monokrome: reinstalling is not required. |
| 00:16.43 | monokrome | I did that exact command. |
| 00:16.47 | monokrome | It replaced apache2.conf for some reason |
| 00:16.53 | monokrome | httpd.conf still doesn't exist. |
| 00:17.08 | jelly-home | monokrome: also, httpd.conf really doesn't exist. apache2.conf is the replacement |
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| 00:17.32 | dondelelcaro | monokrome: so what's complaining about httpd.conf not existing? |
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| 00:17.34 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: root 26787 0.1 1.5 46924 30832 pts/3 S+ 03:50 0:02 /usr/sbin/synaptic --hide-main-window --non-interactive --parent-window-id 65011715 --progress-str Please wait, this can take some time. --finish-str Update is complete --set-selections-file /tmp/tmpE_HAE2 |
| 00:17.40 | monokrome | Weird, because apache2 wont start because httpd.conf doesn't exist. |
| 00:17.42 | stew | monokrome: if it complains, "touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" will create an empty one, which should make it stop complaining |
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| 00:17.56 | sarixe | hi, i'm having some really random errors with fglrx... |
| 00:18.03 | sarixe | first, dri won't work |
| 00:18.16 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: that's just synaptic; is dpkg running? |
| 00:18.35 | monokrome | wow |
| 00:18.40 | sarixe | second, it's using the wrong PCI address (1:5:1 instead of 1:5:0), even though it's configured to use 1:5:0 |
| 00:18.48 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: no, dpkg is not running |
| 00:18.50 | monokrome | it's working now... Weird that I have to touch an empty file into existance. |
| 00:18.55 | monokrome | thanks, stew |
| 00:18.57 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: then just close the synaptic file |
| 00:19.03 | dondelelcaro | s/file/window/ |
| 00:19.04 | rmaj|wrk | window? |
| 00:19.08 | rmaj|wrk | ok. |
| 00:19.16 | rmaj|wrk | ah.... damn |
| 00:19.41 | rmaj|wrk | sorry ;) although a small label "All done" next to close button would be nice |
| 00:20.29 | dondelelcaro | I think the close button is greyed out until its finished, but then again, I don't use synaptic |
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| 00:25.48 | rmaj | wouldnt it good to have packages optimized for i686? |
| 00:26.02 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: the ones where it matters are |
| 00:26.13 | slyphon | hey, is there a public repository where i can get outdated versions of .debs ? |
| 00:26.19 | rmaj | but they must be still compatible down to 386 so can't use SSE etc? |
| 00:26.19 | dondelelcaro | slyphon: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:26.23 | slyphon | thanks! |
| 00:26.24 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: only 486 |
| 00:26.31 | egospun | ideas which package apxs2 is in? apache2-dev? |
| 00:26.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell egospun -about search |
| 00:26.50 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: for things lik blender or even ssh? |
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| 00:27.13 | egospun | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 00:28.13 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: the only bit of ssh where optimziation makes a difference is libssl, which is a separate library and has versions for the different processors already available |
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| 00:28.57 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: you're more than free to recompile whatever you want, but in general there's little point |
| 00:28.59 | NelsonM | for installing lenny, can I use debian-installer with just disc 1 of the 4 disc DVD set? |
| 00:29.05 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: just the first disk, yes. |
| 00:29.19 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: and there's no point in getting a DVD set of lenny, because it changes daily |
| 00:29.23 | NelsonM | nice. I guess it'll go to the network for the rest of the packages. |
| 00:29.27 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: in example how to rebuild and install blender for i686 (not compatible backwards) |
| 00:29.39 | NelsonM | yeah, I just want to do some prep to get the install to go fast at the start |
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| 00:29.52 | NelsonM | my hard drive died and I have to rebuild a server. |
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| 00:30.31 | dondelelcaro | apt-get source blender; apt-get builddep blender; apt-get install fakeroot build-essential; cd blender-*; CFLAGS="-mcpu=686" ... fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; blah blah blah. |
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| 00:31.22 | xsdg | wow... when did Apple by Easy Software, Inc? |
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| 00:32.27 | abrotman | xsdg: a year ago maybe ? |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | nah .. not quite that long |
| 00:33.06 | xsdg | interesting... |
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| 00:33.20 | abrotman | xsdg: In February of 2007, Apple Inc. hired chief developer Michael Sweet and purchased the CUPS source code.[3] |
| 00:33.25 | abrotman | so says wikipedia |
| 00:33.47 | sarixe | so can someone help me with my fglrx problem? |
| 00:34.33 | sarixe | even a 'no' will suffice |
| 00:34.42 | xsdg | sarixe: help yourself |
| 00:34.45 | xsdg | sarixe: j/k :o) |
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| 00:34.55 | sarixe | well at least i got a response |
| 00:34.58 | xsdg | sarixe: did you write the xorg.conf, or did it get autogenerated by something? |
| 00:35.10 | sarixe | hm... a combination of both |
| 00:35.15 | sarixe | i modified the old one |
| 00:35.27 | sarixe | but i restored the old one back to what it was anyway |
| 00:35.27 | xsdg | sarixe: can you put it up somewhere? |
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| 00:35.33 | sarixe | yeah, i'll pastebin |
| 00:35.56 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:36.18 | sarixe | http://pastebin.com/m5412d2c2 |
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| 00:38.17 | xsdg | sarixe: oh... can you put /var/log/Xorg.0.log up somewhere? |
| 00:38.22 | sarixe | sure |
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| 00:39.12 | sarixe | http://pastebin.com/mcf4328e |
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| 00:42.03 | xsdg | sarixe: "failed to load module fglrx" |
| 00:42.09 | sarixe | yep |
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| 00:42.18 | xsdg | sarixe: have you compiled the module that goes with it? |
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| 00:42.29 | sarixe | yes |
| 00:42.36 | sarixe | m-a a-i fglrx |
| 00:42.36 | xsdg | sarixe: can you load it manually? |
| 00:42.42 | sarixe | uh, with modprobe? no |
| 00:42.45 | sarixe | it errors |
| 00:42.45 | Nyle | good evening |
| 00:42.46 | xsdg | sarixe: oh; did you do `depmod -a`? |
| 00:42.50 | sarixe | yes |
| 00:42.55 | sarixe | that gives no error |
| 00:43.01 | xsdg | sarixe: what sort of error from modprobe? |
| 00:43.13 | xsdg | Nyle: hey |
| 00:43.28 | sarixe | # modprobe fglrx |
| 00:43.28 | sarixe | sh: /sbin/lrm-video: No such file or directory |
| 00:43.28 | sarixe | FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx |
| 00:44.07 | Nyle | I have a router into which I can't get in. It has dhcp enabled, and it gives my no-screen laptop an ip. I need to ssh into my ip. How can I find out which ip was assigned to the laptop? Is there a way to scan the local class c subnet looking for something? |
| 00:44.36 | sarixe | nm-tool |
| 00:44.48 | Nyle | !tell alkalineX about away |
| 00:45.11 | sarixe | unless by no-screen you mean the physical screen was ripped off |
| 00:45.15 | Nyle | sarixe, well uhh yeah... I'm on my roommates computer and he has windows |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | !tell alkalineX about away |
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| 00:45.45 | sarixe | but can you get a vt or something up on the laptop? |
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| 00:45.57 | Nyle | sarixe, no.. screen is broken |
| 00:46.00 | sarixe | ooo |
| 00:46.03 | Nyle | yeh |
| 00:46.05 | sarixe | well that would be a problem then... |
| 00:46.08 | xsdg | Nyle: can you use RARP? |
| 00:46.09 | rmaj|wrk | is it true that GAIM have securioty bugs? |
| 00:46.16 | sarixe | hook it up to the CRT briefly then |
| 00:46.18 | xsdg | (I presume the mac address is on the bottom of the laptop) |
| 00:46.20 | rmaj|wrk | in MSN that where never fixed |
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| 00:46.35 | Nyle | the only thing left to do is to get a port scanner and scan 192.168.1.x looking for open 22 |
| 00:46.36 | xsdg | sarixe: hmm... are you running i386 or amd64? |
| 00:46.41 | Nyle | other than that I can't think of anything |
| 00:46.52 | sarixe | xsdg : i386, but on an amd athlon 64 |
| 00:47.00 | xsdg | ok |
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| 00:48.16 | sarixe | xsdg: just so you know, i followed just about every tutorial on the net, and they all had me doing the exact same thing |
| 00:48.38 | sarixe | only difference with the last one was to get the fglrx from the debian repo instead of the ati site |
| 00:49.06 | sarixe | i'd really rather be using 8.41.7, but that was buggy to the max |
| 00:49.29 | xsdg | sarixe: maybe try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/149934 |
| 00:49.39 | sarixe | 8.40.4 and the debian one are identical in that they don't work with dri |
| 00:49.39 | xsdg | sarixe: I've never seen lrm-video, so I don't know |
| 00:49.45 | sarixe | k |
| 00:50.01 | sarixe | well, that's for ubuntu |
| 00:50.05 | sarixe | remember, this is debian |
| 00:50.15 | xsdg | sarixe: and I've got DRI working on my laptop just fine, so I'm not sure what's the matter (I installed it at the beginning of the summer) |
| 00:50.26 | xsdg | sarixe: yeah, but modprobe seems to be having the same difficulty |
| 00:50.29 | sarixe | yeah, actually i had it working just the other day with 8.41.7 |
| 00:50.43 | sarixe | but it was drawing random junk on the screen |
| 00:50.56 | sarixe | so i switched over to 8.40.4, and that didn't work with dri |
| 00:50.57 | xsdg | :o/ |
| 00:51.18 | sarixe | so then i figured the junk on the screen wasn't THAT bad... so i switched back to 8.41.7 |
| 00:51.32 | sarixe | but it then decided to give me a black screen and freeze |
| 00:51.38 | sarixe | and i couldn't switch to a VT to kill it |
| 00:51.47 | sarixe | and when i rebooted, it did the same |
| 00:52.13 | sarixe | so i booted in single-user mode, and went back to 8.40.4, and it still didn't work with drm |
| 00:52.29 | sarixe | and i've actually been having this problem since i was even using ubuntu |
| 00:52.33 | xsdg | sarixe: hmm |
| 00:52.46 | sarixe | but it randomly fixed itself on ubuntu |
| 00:53.00 | sarixe | so i STILL don't know how to fix it here... |
| 00:53.08 | xsdg | sarixe: so, I'm sshed into a box that's running 8.38.6-2 with DRI just fine; maybe just try an older version? |
| 00:53.17 | sarixe | that's the debian |
| 00:53.26 | xsdg | (the box doesn't have any lrm-video thing at all) |
| 00:53.27 | sarixe | er, the debian repository version |
| 00:53.36 | sarixe | and that's what i'm using now |
| 00:53.43 | xsdg | _weird_ |
| 00:53.45 | sarixe | still doesn't work |
| 00:54.20 | xsdg | sarixe: does `grep -ri lrm /etc/mod*` give you anything? |
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| 00:54.38 | xsdg | sarixe: I'm not sure why it's trying to do that, and I would imagine it's configured to do that somewhere |
| 00:54.45 | sarixe | yes, there are results |
| 00:54.58 | xsdg | what files? |
| 00:55.01 | nootoyahora | aabrotman, I have donde dpkg -l kernel-image* and when I have done apt-get remove --purge kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci what I have is this ""Package kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci is not installed, so not removed what can I do? |
| 00:55.06 | sarixe | /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video:# Make nvidia/nvidia_legacy and fglrx use /sbin/lrm-video to load |
| 00:55.06 | sarixe | /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video:install fglrx /sbin/lrm-video fglrx $CMDLINE_OPTS |
| 00:55.06 | sarixe | /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video:install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS |
| 00:55.06 | sarixe | /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video:install nvidia_legacy /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_legacy $CMDLINE_OPTS |
| 00:55.06 | sarixe | /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video:install nvidia_new /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_new $CMDLINE_OPTS |
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| 00:55.13 | sarixe | sorry |
| 00:55.31 | xsdg | sarixe: try moving that file out of the way |
| 00:55.35 | xsdg | I imagine that'll make things work |
| 00:55.41 | sarixe | um... how? |
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| 00:55.58 | xsdg | sarixe: mv /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video ~root/lrm-video.backup |
| 00:56.01 | xsdg | sarixe: or similar |
| 00:56.09 | sarixe | alright |
| 00:56.09 | xsdg | sarixe: the idea is to make modprobe not find it |
| 00:56.49 | sarixe | looks like it worked now |
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| 00:57.43 | abrotman | timely |
| 00:57.58 | porta | with creating a cd from iso is the i386 still for intell? I don't see a i686 for p4 chips |
| 00:58.04 | xsdg | abrotman: you mean the quit or the message? |
| 00:58.09 | abrotman | the message |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | porta: the kernel is there |
| 00:58.35 | porta | do I use i386 for p4 chips? |
| 00:58.45 | xsdg | porta: what do you mean "i386"? |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | porta: yes |
| 00:58.51 | porta | ty |
| 00:58.54 | xsdg | porta: are you referring to a specific package? and if so, which one? |
| 00:59.19 | porta | the flavor of suse uses i686 for the iso file used for p4 chips. |
| 00:59.21 | nootoyahora | abrotman, I have done dpkg -l kernel-image* and when I have done apt-get remove --purge kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci what I have is this ""Package kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci is not installed, so not removed", but the package it IS installed, what can I do? |
| 01:00.29 | abrotman | nootoyahora: paste some of those |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | this |
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| 01:01.12 | nootoyahora | abrotman this one "pn kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci <none> (no description available)" |
| 01:01.16 | abrotman | nootoyahora: dpkg -P kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci |
| 01:01.42 | xsdg | abrotman: the "p" status _is_ purged, isn't it? |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | oh duh |
| 01:01.50 | nootoyahora | abrotman, dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci which isn't installed. |
| 01:01.51 | abrotman | yeah .. it's already removed |
| 01:01.53 | porta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.04 | nootoyahora | aabut it is not removed, I'm seeing it at /boot ;D |
| 01:02.13 | xsdg | porta: oh, I see now |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | nootoyahora: ls /boot/ |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | paste it somewhere |
| 01:02.38 | abrotman | porta: yes .. there is a 686 kernel and libc6 |
| 01:02.38 | xsdg | porta: that's the latest release, yes |
| 01:02.48 | porta | I am still wet behind the ear's ... not sure how to ask what i am trying to :-) |
| 01:02.52 | porta | ty |
| 01:03.39 | porta | how should I partiton 2 320gig drives? I am wanting to use a gateway ftp http and use a remote gui of some sort |
| 01:04.03 | xsdg | porta: are you planning on doing RAID of any sort, or just using them as separate drives? |
| 01:04.24 | porta | separate... useing for playing and testing at house.. to learn with |
| 01:04.53 | nootoyahora | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/8h0RJj89.html |
| 01:04.59 | porta | it is a 3gig proc 1gig mem and i have 2 320gig hd's |
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| 01:05.12 | sarixe | xsdg : seems to have worked, thanks a bunch |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | nootoyahora: just 'rm' them and be done with it :) |
| 01:05.39 | nootoyahora | abrotman, ok, that was my firs question.. can I ask one more question? ;D |
| 01:05.44 | xsdg | sarixe: np |
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| 01:06.04 | abrotman | nootoyahora: sure |
| 01:06.13 | nootoyahora | abrotman thanks |
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| 01:07.40 | nootoyahora | abrotman, I only use 2.6 series kernels, can I erase the /etcmodules.conf file and the /etc/modutils dir? (I will left intact the /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.conf files and the the /etc/modprobe.d/ directory) |
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| 01:08.28 | abrotman | leave those there |
| 01:08.41 | porta | with a built on net card can i put a pci net card and use them as the gate way? or does it need to be 2 pci cards? I've heard the mac address has to be the same on the net cards. |
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| 01:09.08 | nootoyahora | abrotman, why? |
| 01:09.16 | abrotman | something might still use them |
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| 01:10.58 | nootoyahora | abrotman, uhm... ok maybe I can try to move them to another place to prove? (The problem is that I'm having trouble with the agpgart, intel_agp ,drm and radeon modules to make work the agp port) |
| 01:11.22 | abrotman | sure .. go ahead |
| 01:11.49 | CaT[tm] | I be experiencing weirdness. ever since the openssl upgrade I've not been able to scp between boxes. I can connect. My key gets accepted and the session continues up until 'debug1: Sending command: scp -v -t .' and then it halts. anyone else having issues? I've tried around 5 boxes. :/ |
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| 01:12.13 | nootoyahora | abrotman, "go ahead me"? |
| 01:12.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:12.54 | nootoyahora | abrotman, ok, and thank you very much :) |
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| 01:13.07 | bagualas | what is the appletalk services? |
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| 01:13.28 | abrotman | bagualas: for appletalk :) |
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| 01:14.27 | bagualas | abrotman, i'm may need for something? heiauehiaue |
| 01:14.36 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 01:14.46 | alkalineX | meh |
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| 01:15.10 | bagualas | its is starting here.. in a gateway, with firewall and squid... will I need it ? |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | likely not |
| 01:15.32 | bagualas | ok :) |
| 01:15.37 | bagualas | thanksss xD |
| 01:15.59 | bagualas | Stopping AppleTalk Daemons: afpd papd timelord atalkd cnid_metad. |
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| 01:18.34 | dansushi | is there a file in linux that shows all of the commands you've typed in the past? I figured there had to be one since you can scroll through a list of them in a konsole. |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | ~/.bash_history |
| 01:19.48 | bluequijote | I have a problem with GDM, the letters are so small... how can I fix it? |
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| 01:22.35 | Nyle | bluequijote, maybe check in gdm.conf if the X server startup command contains a -dpi switch? |
| 01:23.19 | Nyle | bluequijote, you could always check to see if font sizes are set too small |
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| 01:24.40 | Nyle | okayy... |
| 01:25.36 | bluequijote | how do you know where "X startup command" is? |
| 01:26.01 | Nyle | open up gdm and search for "-dpi" perhaps |
| 01:26.11 | Nyle | i don't use it and i don't know where the config is |
| 01:26.25 | Nyle | dpkg -L gdm |grep conf will tell you where the config file is |
| 01:26.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching gdm |grep conf will tell you where the config file is |
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| 01:27.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | gdmsetup |
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| 01:28.37 | bluequijote | I didn't find nothing with -dpi switch |
| 01:28.52 | bluequijote | file is in /etc/gdm/ |
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| 01:29.28 | Nyle | ok then thats not the issue. I don't use gtk2 apps. I use kde |
| 01:29.54 | Nyle | I dunno because i don't see anyone else helping you so thought i'd give it a shot, whatever i know about that stuff |
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| 01:31.00 | bluequijote | I can't to find -dpi switch :( |
| 01:31.52 | xsdg | bluequijote: what do you mean "X startup command"? |
| 01:32.10 | Nyle | bluequijote, gdm in the past when I used it started X server with -dpi 100 totally screwing up my fonts. I took the switch out, and X started and font sizes were fine |
| 01:32.17 | porta | how does a mail server work if I install it on a house computer? |
| 01:32.22 | porta | home^ |
| 01:32.23 | xsdg | bluequijote: you mean `startx`? it's in xinit |
| 01:32.35 | xsdg | (on SID; I think it's xbase-utils in former incarnations) |
| 01:32.37 | Nyle | xsdg, no, in gdm.conf the xserver command |
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| 01:32.47 | Nyle | i have no idea what its called, lest i install gdm and go through the config |
| 01:32.55 | bluequijote | I don't know... Nyle told me... |
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| 01:33.17 | bluequijote | Nyle>bluequijote, maybe check in gdm.conf if the X server startup command contains a -dpi switch? |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | !find bin/gdmsetup etch |
| 01:33.46 | xsdg | bluequijote: oh; I see |
| 01:34.15 | xsdg | bluequijote: have you tried installing xfonts-100dpi and removing xfonts-75dpi? (this may be an archaic solution; I'm not sure quite how fonts are handled nowadays) |
| 01:34.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gdmsetup' (1): (/usr/sbin/gdmsetup) in gnome/gdm. |
| 01:34.45 | xsdg | bluequijote: alternately, you could make sure to specify your monitor's physical size in your xorg.conf (so it calculates the monitor's real dpi correctly) |
| 01:35.23 | bluequijote | but is just with gdm and amsn... |
| 01:36.11 | bluequijote | other applications work great |
| 01:36.31 | Nyle | bluequijote, i thougth all your fonts were tiny |
| 01:36.46 | porta | is this normal? 279mb / 5gb /usr 3gb /var 2.7gb swap 403mb /tmp 308gb /home??? |
| 01:36.49 | Nyle | if it is just gdm, then you can do as suggested initially. Check your font sizes in gdm setup |
| 01:37.05 | Nyle | or whereever |
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| 01:37.19 | xsdg | bluequijote: oh, never mind me then |
| 01:37.30 | bluequijote | I have problems just with GDM |
| 01:37.46 | xsdg | porta: that seems reasonable, though if it's a modern machine you probably don't need all that swap |
| 01:38.00 | porta | i have 1gig mem in it |
| 01:38.04 | porta | is 1.5 swap ok? |
| 01:38.05 | xsdg | porta: you probably want more space for /tmp (and /var, if you're going to be doing spam assassin) |
| 01:38.06 | bluequijote | Nyle, I can't to find nothing like -dpi |
| 01:38.08 | porta | or still toomuch? |
| 01:38.17 | rahul | erm |
| 01:38.22 | Nyle | bluequijote, dude... |
| 01:38.24 | xsdg | porta: disk is slow; do you _really_ want to be pulling a gig off of the disk? |
| 01:38.25 | Nyle | I give up |
| 01:38.27 | rahul | are xemacs's build-deps self-contradictory? |
| 01:38.28 | porta | do i need that much space for home? I will be using to play and test.. |
| 01:38.31 | Nyle | I can only repeat myself so many times |
| 01:38.37 | porta | no |
| 01:38.38 | Nyle | rahul, why? |
| 01:38.42 | Nyle | /quit |
| 01:38.46 | rahul | Nyle: because I can't seem to install them |
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| 01:38.50 | rahul | heh ok |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman | bluequijote: maybe also ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 01:39.48 | bluequijote | thank you... |
| 01:40.00 | porta | xsdg: I just don't see why it makes so much for /home... and only 279mb for / |
| 01:40.21 | xsdg | porta: there isn't much stored on the root partition |
| 01:40.51 | porta | do I have to have 308gig for home?? it seems it will be wasted space. |
| 01:41.07 | stoned | porta: I have 750gb home and I'm almost out of space |
| 01:41.25 | porta | ?? what is put in home? |
| 01:41.34 | abrotman | your user stuff |
| 01:41.37 | xsdg | porta: everything that is "yours" |
| 01:41.37 | dudeman | umm.. movies, music, prawn, games, tv series |
| 01:41.40 | dudeman | you name it |
| 01:41.42 | dudeman | i got it |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | oh jesus .. another fucking nick |
| 01:41.50 | porta | I am still trying to understand. I'm thinking in ms windows... sorry |
| 01:41.55 | dansushi | in apt-get, what folder do the debs and source packages get downloaded to? |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | porta: think of it like C:\Documents and Settings\ |
| 01:42.04 | dudeman | in /var/cache |
| 01:42.06 | dudeman | i think |
| 01:42.18 | porta | ahhh |
| 01:42.19 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:42.27 | porta | ok.. ty that I under stand |
| 01:42.30 | rmaj|wrk | how can I build own kernel? |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | !kp |
| 01:42.35 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 01:42.57 | rmaj|wrk | and how to in general stop debian from messing with my kernel / modules / grub? |
| 01:43.12 | rmaj|wrk | just say "I do this by hand, please stand away" |
| 01:43.22 | dudeman | rahul: ping |
| 01:43.28 | porta | would it be wise to install http server and ftp and mail server from new install or install it later? |
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| 01:43.39 | rahul | dudeman: pung |
| 01:43.45 | dudeman | lol |
| 01:43.47 | dudeman | msg |
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| 01:44.01 | rmaj|wrk | debian seem to have a bit old kernel, there where many vulnes discovered, are all of them backported to stable? |
| 01:44.25 | porta | and is /svr where all the web apps would be put? |
| 01:44.35 | porta | errr.. /srv |
| 01:44.38 | xsdg | rmaj|wrk: I tend to just build kernels by hand; I'm also not using stable (and yes, bugfixes are backported to stable) |
| 01:45.03 | nhuisman | how do I remove a package and its dependencies |
| 01:45.06 | nhuisman | not just the top level package |
| 01:45.19 | stew | rmaj|wrk: debian released a new kernel for stable with security fixes less than a week ago |
| 01:45.40 | rmaj|wrk | xsdg: I also, but then debian wants to mess up with my grub conf, or complains about kernel images / modules I removed by hand |
| 01:45.45 | rmaj|wrk | stew: cool |
| 01:45.56 | porta | last question. using just a separet /home and all else in / is that ok or problem? |
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| 01:46.01 | xsdg | rmaj|wrk: you should generally uninstall things rather than removing them by hand |
| 01:46.09 | stew | rmaj|wrk: what complaints do you get about kernel-images? |
| 01:46.34 | xsdg | porta: that works too |
| 01:46.42 | porta | ok. ty everyone. night. |
| 01:46.55 | porta | off to get lost :-) |
| 01:47.14 | nhuisman | trying to get X11 and everthing related to it off a debian server |
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| 01:50.22 | nhuisman | any ideas? |
| 01:51.04 | rmaj|wrk | stew: on aptitude upgrade system can't find /boot/grup/menu.lst and then instalation hangs (I have to ctrl-C) |
| 01:51.14 | rmaj|wrk | stew: my /boot is usually unmounted |
| 01:51.32 | abrotman | nhuisman: remove libx11* ? |
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| 01:52.14 | nhuisman | asterisk never works for me |
| 01:52.47 | nhuisman | there is all kinds of crap like gconf2, etc |
| 01:52.56 | nhuisman | oh well i'll just pick it appart |
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| 01:54.12 | rmaj|wrk | hmm |
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| 01:54.29 | rmaj|wrk | why by default 1. there is no firwall (rules) 2. root login is enabled in ssh O__o |
| 01:55.07 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: because 1 is necessarily configuration dependent, and 2 doesn't do much unless you pick a really bad root password |
| 01:55.12 | rmaj|wrk | shouldnt debian installer ask like [x] no, thanks [ ] ya rly I want to have my box wiiiide open, windows xp sp1 style |
| 01:55.34 | dondelelcaro | (and by default 1 wouldn't do anything anyway, because nothing is installed that actually listens on any ports) |
| 01:55.47 | nhuisman | yeah |
| 01:55.52 | nhuisman | there shouldn't be any services on |
| 01:56.07 | rmaj|wrk | why not also place a basic firewall in place? |
| 01:56.12 | rmaj|wrk | at least ask in installer |
| 01:56.33 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: because there's no such thing as a basic firewall |
| 01:56.37 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: there are no anti brute force things by default |
| 01:56.39 | nhuisman | yeah, i was going to say, define basic |
| 01:56.49 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: block all incomming (except established, related) |
| 01:56.49 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: so? ssh isn't even instaleld by default |
| 01:57.06 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: no incoming ports are open by default |
| 01:57.16 | nhuisman | netstat -a yourself |
| 01:57.17 | rmaj|wrk | how come? |
| 01:57.23 | nhuisman | because there are no service installed |
| 01:57.59 | nhuisman | it's not like redhat with 50 ports open. |
| 01:58.34 | rmaj|wrk | so windows with zone alarm is more secure :/ |
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| 01:58.45 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: uh, no. |
| 01:58.49 | nhuisman | how is someone going to hack your box if it isn't listenig |
| 01:59.11 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: and trying to draw people out by such a comparison isn't particularly helpful, either. |
| 01:59.11 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: No. If there are no servcies running, there is no point to blocking ports eh. |
| 01:59.17 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: if I lunch a program that turns out to be some malware... I am neither warned nor is incomming connection stoped right? |
| 01:59.30 | rmaj|wrk | cafuego: I know, but double protection seems better |
| 01:59.33 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: how could a firewall protect you against malware? |
| 01:59.52 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: the task of your OS is not to prevent you from doing stupid things. |
| 01:59.52 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: zone alarm will ask me do I know and agree that this program suddenly connects somewhere |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | unless the trojan goes around zone alarm ... |
| 02:00.07 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: Well, YOUR os maybe, but not mine. |
| 02:00.11 | rmaj|wrk | but aiding me in realizing something is gone bad would be nice |
| 02:00.30 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: setting firewalls is the domain of the administrator; a normal user wouldn't be able to enable such a thing |
| 02:00.40 | rmaj|wrk | abrotman: user space troyan couldnt go around iptables so it would be better in linux then |
| 02:00.57 | dondelelcaro | and in any case, if you want iptables and such a configuration, install a package to do so |
| 02:01.06 | dondelelcaro | if you want brute force protection, install fail2ban |
| 02:01.09 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
| 02:01.15 | cafuego | How did you get your hypothetical trojan anyway? Ran a binary you got off irc? ;-) |
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| 02:01.30 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: so normal user should not controll what his applications are connected to? unles he becomes a rocket scie, erm, an Admin? |
| 02:01.48 | rmaj|wrk | cafuego: install primes 95 in debian (stable) |
| 02:02.05 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: There are a whole slew of point-and-click firewall tools. Why not try them before you complain about a lack of them? |
| 02:02.06 | beardy_ | His "applications" are not random shit he downloads and installs all over the damn filesystem. |
| 02:02.21 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: on my systems normal users don't have that level of control, no. |
| 02:02.54 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: so they have less controll then on even windows box then? |
| 02:03.25 | rmaj|wrk | beardy_: so how would you run say primes 95 on your box then; or any other binary only program |
| 02:03.29 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: of course. Users aren't supposed to be mucking with administrative decisions like that |
| 02:03.39 | beardy_ | rmaj|wrk: Why would I? |
| 02:03.43 | beardy_ | You fucking troll. |
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| 02:03.52 | dondelelcaro | beardy_: that's not necessary either |
| 02:04.20 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: THing is, YOU chose to download and run this app, so it's YOUR responsibility. |
| 02:04.23 | rmaj|wrk | dondelelcaro: are discussions like that wellcommed here? |
| 02:04.24 | dondelelcaro | rmaj|wrk: continuing to attempt to compare Debian to windows will result in me silencing you. |
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| 02:05.21 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: If you need features from Windows, by all means use windows, or maybe even write a firewall tool to help give users more control about how they let their linux box get rooted. |
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| 02:05.42 | mdh | Hiya folks. I'm trying to get my openssl's libssl to co-exist with the one from the debian libssl pkg. Unfortunately, compiling things leads them to link against the pkg one in /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8 and not the proper one in /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 - I've tried putting /usr/lib first in ld.so.conf, etc, but the pkg one is still chosen first. How would I tell the system to use mine primarily without breaking stuff like the Debian OpenSSH pkg? |
| 02:05.58 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: Either way, I doubt anyone on channel here is going to write such a tool for you. |
| 02:06.13 | rmaj|wrk | are there tools to notify me about network activies of applications? prefferably gui |
| 02:06.40 | cafuego | mdh: You could use LD_PRELOAD for the app that needs to use your own version. |
| 02:07.09 | cafuego | rmaj|wrk: netstat |
| 02:07.24 | dondelelcaro | or iptables or similar |
| 02:07.38 | mdh | cafuego, I'd like /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 to be used by default when linking... |
| 02:07.49 | rmaj|wrk | mhm |
| 02:08.06 | mdh | Without having to wrap every program, or having to modify the Makefile for every program that wants to use libssl to specify it specifically. :-) |
| 02:08.40 | dondelelcaro | mdh: hrm... it should compiled against /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 but using the package's when it's appropriate |
| 02:08.51 | cafuego | Hmm. Can you rename /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8 ? |
| 02:08.58 | cafuego | ugly, but... |
| 02:09.23 | dondelelcaro | mdh: any reason why you're not using the distributed version of libssl? |
| 02:09.26 | frutax | anyone know what this error could mean when I try to automount my USB HD? http://pastebin.com/d4fa2e640 |
| 02:09.32 | mdh | I don't want to break existing applications (such as the openssh package), or annoy apt when I run updates though... |
| 02:09.41 | mdh | dondelelcaro, it doesn't include Camellia. |
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| 02:10.09 | dondelelcaro | mdh: the other alternative is to stick it into /usr/local/lib and use rpath for your package |
| 02:10.09 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 02:10.17 | dondelelcaro | (or some other directory) |
| 02:10.22 | reiser2 | how can i configure my wifi network |
| 02:10.32 | dondelelcaro | mdh: though that's ugly and slightly non-portable |
| 02:10.38 | reiser2 | debian only ask for WEP key |
| 02:10.46 | reiser2 | but i am using TKIP |
| 02:10.47 | mdh | dondelelcaro, yeah, one of the things I was trying to avoid was modifying the Makefile for everything I want to compile. :-) |
| 02:11.11 | mdh | There's no way to ask ldconfig to make it the preferred entry in my ld.so.cache or something more elegant like that? |
| 02:11.37 | mdh | reiser2, wpa-supplicant |
| 02:11.38 | dondelelcaro | mdh: well, it'd make it the preferred entry for everything, and in which case, you might as well just replace the entire debian package with your custom version |
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| 02:12.40 | reiser2 | mdh: how can i install that? |
| 02:12.41 | dondelelcaro | (which is the easy way to go, frankly) |
| 02:12.42 | mdh | dondelelcaro, I'm fine with replacing the debian pkg, so long as things don't get ugly when I upgrade via apt. :-) |
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| 02:12.48 | mdh | reiser2, apt. |
| 02:12.49 | dondelelcaro | mdh: oh, it's pretty simple |
| 02:13.04 | reiser2 | yeah |
| 02:13.06 | reiser2 | i know |
| 02:13.11 | mdh | dondelelcaro, OK, how would I go about that then? |
| 02:13.15 | reiser2 | but what is the name to install? |
| 02:13.27 | dondelelcaro | mdh: just get the source for the openssl package, modify it to build with camellia, add a new version with a high epoch, build, and install. |
| 02:13.28 | cafuego | mdh: You need to recompile your own package when a security release is in the repos, otherwise it's easy as. |
| 02:13.29 | LoneWlf | so... after upgrading and then crashing the other day... many of my applications in X have fonts that are simply TOO SMALL... I haven't been able to locate anything about this and could definitely use some help... anyone heard anything about something like this? |
| 02:13.54 | dondelelcaro | mdh: then make sure you track debian-security-announce for openssl updates |
| 02:14.41 | benkong2 | could someone look at this zone file and tell me whay I get an unexpected input error? http://pastebin.com/d4b6d3135 |
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| 02:16.19 | hatter_ | how do i change the keymap ? |
| 02:16.41 | cafuego | benkong2: bind9 comes with the named-checkzone tool :-) |
| 02:17.16 | benkong2 | cafuego: That's where the error is comming from |
| 02:17.46 | benkong2 | dns_rdata_fromtext: /etc/bind/db.bfdavis.org:7: near eol: unexpected end of input |
| 02:17.58 | beardy_ | !keymap |
| 02:17.59 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 02:18.09 | benkong2 | I added a new line to the end of the file and there no spaces |
| 02:18.22 | hatter_ | beardy_, thx |
| 02:18.23 | benkong2 | I am using the http://www.aboutdebian.com/dns.htm |
| 02:18.39 | beardy_ | hatter_: You're welcome. |
| 02:19.14 | cafuego | benkong2: http://pastebin.com/d6b1e2f59 |
| 02:19.45 | cafuego | benkong2: You have CNAME peter pointing at a non-existent domain record |
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| 02:20.56 | nhuisman | laugh i just realized i could delete whole package groups from aptitude in the ncurses interface |
| 02:21.02 | stew | peter IN A 10.0.0.1 |
| 02:21.22 | disgruntal | Can grub be placed somewhere other than the mbr? |
| 02:21.25 | cafuego | stew: Yes, that's what I added. |
| 02:21.29 | stew | oh |
| 02:21.41 | dondelelcaro | disgruntal: yes |
| 02:21.53 | disgruntal | in /boot? |
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| 02:22.48 | yggshack | i had a non gui system and i install gnome and x , the screen enver goes blank. i set it that way in the screen saver but im wondering if theres anything else i can do ? |
| 02:22.49 | dondelelcaro | if /boot is a partition which is bootable and is the first partition with a bootloader, sure. |
| 02:23.21 | disgruntal | what is the correct way to put it on the / /dev/hd0,1? |
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| 02:23.33 | LoneWlf | yggshack : so... anything else you can do to what? stop the screen from going blank? |
| 02:23.42 | benkong2 | cafuego: ok I am trying the posted one now. |
| 02:23.50 | disgruntal | I think only / is bootable |
| 02:24.01 | disgruntal | I didn't creat /boot.... |
| 02:24.01 | mdh | thanks folks |
| 02:24.02 | disgruntal | ak |
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| 02:24.05 | yggshack | lonewolf i want it to go blank |
| 02:24.11 | stew | disgruntal: what is bootable is easily changed, but why do you not want to put grub on your mbr? |
| 02:24.21 | yggshack | is that dpms ? |
| 02:24.31 | disgruntal | trying to change the way it looks with an image. |
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| 02:24.41 | disgruntal | not sure if i can have it pull from a /boot |
| 02:24.47 | disgruntal | /boot/imagefile.file |
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| 02:25.23 | disgruntal | I don't like the pinguens but something like that when it give's a boot menu is my goal |
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| 02:27.29 | benkong2 | cafuego: I still get zone bfdavis.org/IN: loading from master file /etc/bind/db.bfdavis.org failed: unexpected end of input |
| 02:27.30 | disgruntal | is the newest kernel 2.6.18-5-686? |
| 02:27.50 | benkong2 | and I get dns_rdata_fromtext: /etc/bind/db.bfdavis.org:8: near eol: unexpected end of input |
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| 02:28.34 | alaQ | disgruntal: it depends on your distribution. For etch, I think so. |
| 02:28.51 | disgruntal | yes it is etch |
| 02:28.53 | disgruntal | ty |
| 02:29.59 | cafuego | benkong2: oic |
| 02:30.05 | cafuego | benkong2: the SOA start is broked |
| 02:30.10 | cafuego | benkong2: bfdavis.org. IN SOA peter.bfdavis.org. hostmaster.peter.bfdavis.org. ( |
| 02:30.15 | cafuego | benkong2: that'll fix it |
| 02:30.28 | hobbs_ | um, I installed hotplug hoping it would help me get external dysplays working on my laptop and now a whole bunch of devices don't work at all |
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| 02:30.33 | cafuego | benkong2: And remove the commend with #, that's not valid syntax :-) |
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| 02:30.45 | abrotman | hobbs_: hotplug isn't used anymore |
| 02:30.46 | hobbs_ | I removed hotplug and they still don't work |
| 02:30.49 | niru | hi |
| 02:30.51 | benkong2 | cafuego: ok thanks |
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| 02:31.11 | niru | can anybody help me |
| 02:31.17 | niru | I have a sony laptop |
| 02:31.20 | hobbs_ | I looked in etc and there are changes withou backups to my config files! |
| 02:31.24 | niru | it does not work with motion eye |
| 02:31.34 | niru | I have installed sonypi and sony_acpi modules |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | hobbs_: wheny ou installed hotplug .. did it remove something else ? |
| 02:31.41 | hobbs_ | I don't have a backup of etc, am I screwed? |
| 02:31.43 | niru | also xawtv and motioneye |
| 02:31.56 | niru | xawtv command when entered shows |
| 02:32.11 | abrotman | hobbs_: is usbmgr installed ? |
| 02:32.17 | niru | v4l-conf has some trouble,continuing anyway |
| 02:32.23 | hobbs_ | abrotman: is there a way to check? I did aptitude install hotplug Y Y Y |
| 02:32.31 | niru | v4l2-no such device /dev/video0 |
| 02:32.34 | niru | any body |
| 02:32.47 | abrotman | hobbs_: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 02:33.20 | hobbs_ | abrotman: no, it is not installed |
| 02:36.13 | niru | abrotman, any idea |
| 02:36.17 | hobbs_ | abrotman: it seems to have removed a whole bunch,,, but the log doesn't seem to go back far enough |
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| 02:36.42 | abrotman | niru: asbout what? |
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| 02:37.00 | _vector_ | anyone here use lvm with partitions over 2TB? |
| 02:37.01 | hobbs_ | my mouse doesn't work, and neither do any netwok interfaces. hal was uninstalled, |
| 02:37.07 | niru | abrotman, abot motion eye |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | hobbs_: install usbmgr |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | niru: no |
| 02:37.33 | tengulre | why the debian4 is so fat?(so many setup disk) |
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| 02:37.46 | hobbs_ | abrotman: shit, no network interfaces, no install |
| 02:38.13 | \amethyst | tengulre: because there is a lot of debian software available. If you will have internet access when installing, all you really need is the first CD or the 150MB netinst CD |
| 02:38.40 | abrotman | hobbs_: time for a CD i suppose |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | hobbs_: or setup your NIC manually |
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| 02:39.05 | hobbs_ | abrotman: I have the debian cd, how would I setup the nic manualy? |
| 02:39.21 | benkong2 | cafuego: thank that worked |
| 02:39.31 | benkong2 | now on to the reverse zone file |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | hobbs_: load the driver, then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:41.26 | hobbs_ | abrotman: that didn't work :( I use ndiswrapper and iwconfig reports the interface working, but ifconfig doesn't show it |
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| 02:41.43 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 02:41.55 | Kobaz | there's no mod_proxy package for apache 1.3 |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | hobbs_: i don't use ndiswrapper .. not sure how you do that manually .. but i'd guess it has some script to make it run |
| 02:43.12 | hobbs_ | abrotman: how do I install from the cd? |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | hobbs_: apt-cdrom .. it'll scan the CD |
| 02:44.16 | chasing`Sol | hobbs_, did u `modprobe ndiswrapper` ? |
| 02:44.33 | hobbs_ | chasing`Sol: yes |
| 02:46.38 | hobbs_ | abrotman: the cdrom is allready in my apt-list, I guess there is a newer version in my cache than is on the cdrom? is there a way to clear the cache and run aptitude update fresh? |
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| 02:47.10 | _vector_ | I have a 3TB partition under lvm that only shows 1TB with lvmdiskscan after reboot...and the dmsetup table is blank? any ideas? |
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| 02:48.09 | abrotman | hobbs_: it's still in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 02:48.31 | javabugz | i am running conky with kde on a debian system (amd64)... |
| 02:48.37 | javabugz | when i first started conky...there is no transparency |
| 02:48.44 | javabugz | however, if I disable the desktop wallpaper and then enabled it (after conky started) then transparency work |
| 02:48.49 | javabugz | any idea? |
| 02:49.01 | hobbs_ | abrotman: no, the problem is, it won't install from the cd, because it wants to install the newer version that it knows about online |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | maybe just dpkg -i the pacakge |
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| 02:50.02 | cld2 | what is the apache tool I use to add a site from sites-avaliable to sites-enabled? thanks. |
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| 02:51.15 | hobbs_ | abrotman: maybe I'll just re-install. I have a separate home partition, so I think that would enf up taking less time |
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| 02:53.05 | Madd_Matt | cld2, just make a symlink in sites-enabled pointing to the sites-available |
| 02:53.37 | cld2 | Madd_Matt: thats it? i thougth there was a tool for mods and sites. thanks |
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| 02:55.02 | cld2 | Madd_Matt: thanks, that was simple |
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| 03:01.56 | rmaj|wrk | how to install loop aes support? |
| 03:02.42 | ericP | i have a Dell D820 and am running 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP. i lost sound and would like to know what other folks have in /var/run/alsa/modules-removed |
| 03:03.35 | squisher | ericP: what does cat /proc/asound/cards say? |
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| 03:03.57 | ericP | i have no /proc/asound |
| 03:05.12 | ericP | my sound stopped working, i did $(/etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop && /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload). alsa reload says "no modules to load" |
| 03:05.22 | dalias | are there any linux tools for recovering deleted files on fat filesystems? |
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| 03:05.56 | jrwr | using Etch (and tried installing Alsa-oss) i dont seem to have a /dev/dsp... |
| 03:06.04 | jrwr | i looked in /dev |
| 03:06.07 | jrwr | and its not there |
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| 03:06.20 | _vector_ | dalias: I've used testdisk to recover compact flash image files on a fat partition before |
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| 03:06.43 | dalias | testdisk? |
| 03:06.53 | ericP | jrwr, is this a recent prob? (i'm having it too; trying to figure out what module was responsible for the device) |
| 03:07.04 | _vector_ | dalias: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 03:07.09 | jrwr | ericP: yes |
| 03:07.16 | jrwr | but thing is |
| 03:07.30 | jrwr | KDE works with alsa still, its the OSS end that it missing i guess |
| 03:07.31 | _vector_ | dalias: also see http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 03:07.42 | dalias | ooh photorec sounds like what i need |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | mondo |
| 03:07.48 | dalias | i want to search deleted space for jpegs |
| 03:08.30 | _vector_ | dalias: should work great...as long as data hasn't been written to the drive after the files have been deleted |
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| 03:08.39 | dalias | yeah |
| 03:08.42 | dalias | well some data has |
| 03:08.46 | _vector_ | dalias: I was able to recover files from a bad cf card after a photoshoot |
| 03:08.54 | dalias | my friends deleted pics then took some more... |
| 03:08.59 | _vector_ | dalias: is it a card or harddrive? |
| 03:09.03 | dalias | but hopefully it will at least find some stuff to recover |
| 03:09.05 | dalias | card |
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| 03:09.06 | _vector_ | dalias: ah ok |
| 03:09.12 | dalias | it's _deleted_ data |
| 03:09.14 | dalias | not damaged |
| 03:09.17 | _vector_ | dalias: yeah photorec will get as much as it can...magic |
| 03:09.24 | n3kl | Anyone know if its possible to mail a single use maildir in an mbox system? |
| 03:09.26 | ericP | jrwr, squisher, giving up on sound now so i can go hear live music |
| 03:09.28 | _vector_ | even if he full formated before taking new photos |
| 03:09.30 | dalias | yeah i know how the algortithms would work |
| 03:09.40 | dalias | i just don't feell ike writing it myself :) |
| 03:09.45 | _vector_ | dalias: well good for you :) |
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| 03:10.00 | dalias | is there a debian package? |
| 03:10.05 | _vector_ | dalias: of course anyone can do anything with enough time...but that is more precious than money |
| 03:10.09 | jrwr | ericP: i figured it out |
| 03:10.14 | dalias | _vector_, :) |
| 03:10.15 | jrwr | ericP: |
| 03:10.15 | jrwr | Try loading the snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss modules. |
| 03:10.25 | jrwr | seems to work |
| 03:10.33 | Yggdrasil | hello, i need to copy a bunch of .so files out of a folder . and the .so files are in subfolders and i need to copy them to /usr/lib what cmd should i use |
| 03:10.34 | _vector_ | dalias: not sure if there is package...really small compile though |
| 03:10.38 | Yggdrasil | cp -r *.so ? |
| 03:10.43 | dalias | ahh teskdisk is a packagee |
| 03:10.50 | dalias | and it seems like it might contain photorec too |
| 03:10.52 | _vector_ | dalias: kewl |
| 03:11.02 | _vector_ | dalias: good to know |
| 03:11.18 | dalias | thanks for pointing me to it! |
| 03:11.21 | dalias | let's see if this works.. |
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| 03:11.40 | \amethyst | Yggdrasil: do you need to copy them to corresponding subdirectories, or all directly to /usr/lib? |
| 03:11.51 | Yggdrasil | all directly into usr/lib |
| 03:11.55 | Yggdrasil | thats my problem |
| 03:12.00 | gmcinnes | guys, I"m pulling my hair out. Is there something in a default deb install that would prevent connecting to mysql over an ssh tunnel? |
| 03:12.10 | gmcinnes | It's closing the connection immediately. |
| 03:12.14 | abrotman | Yggdrasil: man find |
| 03:12.47 | abrotman | gmcinnes: mysql doesn't listen on anything but lo by default ... perhaps |
| 03:12.51 | Yggdrasil | screw it |
| 03:12.54 | Yggdrasil | il do it by hand |
| 03:13.06 | _vector_ | Yggdrasil: you could use the find command |
| 03:13.17 | Yggdrasil | yea by that time ill have it done manually |
| 03:13.21 | Yggdrasil | thanks though |
| 03:13.22 | gmcinnes | abrotman: yeah, but the tunnel should appear to be connecting from lo methinks. |
| 03:13.32 | gmcinnes | abrotman: at least that's what I'm after. |
| 03:13.37 | abrotman | gmcinnes: should be easy enough to check in the logs i'd imagine |
| 03:13.46 | _vector_ | Yggdrasil: something like find /usr/lib/ -iname="*.so" -exec mv {} /use/lib \; |
| 03:13.53 | \amethyst | yeah |
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| 03:13.59 | gmcinnes | abrotman: there's nothing appearing in the logs unfortunately. |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | gmcinnes: use netstat to look |
| 03:14.15 | \amethyst | I was going to suggest something with xargs, but -exec and {} is even better |
| 03:14.16 | nvz | _vector_: give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day... |
| 03:14.38 | dalias | _vector_, it's getting some jpgs :) |
| 03:14.39 | _vector_ | nvz: yes..good quot |
| 03:14.45 | dalias | let's hope they're the ones i want and not old deleted ones |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | allegheny whitefish .. ewwwww |
| 03:14.50 | nvz | heh |
| 03:14.52 | _vector_ | dalias: nice |
| 03:14.59 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 03:15.17 | _vector_ | Yggdrasil: take out = from command and it should work....try man find for specifics |
| 03:15.36 | _vector_ | nvz: so should all responses to questions be RTFM? |
| 03:16.00 | abrotman | _vector_: no .. but don't ask .. then whine about reading |
| 03:16.15 | nvz | your nick is annoying to type |
| 03:16.23 | _vector_ | nvz: or leading questions to get them thinking? |
| 03:16.27 | _vector_ | nvz: sorry lol |
| 03:16.37 | _vector_ | use your pinky :) |
| 03:16.49 | abrotman | bonus! |
| 03:16.58 | nvz | I'll use my "pinky" alright |
| 03:17.00 | _vector_ | abrotman: I'm not whining...I was helping someone else...but thanks for the trout slapping anyway |
| 03:17.09 | _vector_ | nvz: ouch...tmi :P |
| 03:17.11 | abrotman | _vector_: i didn't say you were whining |
| 03:17.46 | dalias | _vector_, it's got a number of them! waiting for it to finish |
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| 03:18.02 | dalias | _vector_, my bastard friend deleted all the embarassing pics of him and just left the embarassing ones of me :P |
| 03:18.06 | _vector_ | abrotman: true...I guess we know what assuming does |
| 03:18.15 | _vector_ | dalias: lol...nice! |
| 03:18.19 | dalias | while i left the camera unguarded |
| 03:18.24 | nvz | I have to hit three corners of my keyboard just to tab-complete that nick |
| 03:18.24 | dalias | but now they'll all be back :) |
| 03:18.33 | _vector_ | dalias: so it was an accidental delete eh? wink wink |
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| 03:18.56 | dalias | it was a local privilege compromise |
| 03:18.57 | dalias | ;) |
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| 03:19.53 | vector7 | nvs: better? |
| 03:19.56 | nvz | heh |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | use your pinky |
| 03:20.31 | nvz | oh I will |
| 03:21.45 | vector7 | everyone #debian is now NSFW :P |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | it was before ? |
| 03:21.58 | vector7 | oh the fun of irc |
| 03:22.03 | vector7 | lol true |
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| 03:22.56 | nvz | my pinky is the real punisher |
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| 03:23.58 | abrotman | nvz is the real drip |
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| 03:24.24 | nvz | smells like teen spirit in here |
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| 03:26.11 | dalias | vector7, well, i recovered 9 out of about 20 lost |
| 03:26.12 | dalias | not too bad |
| 03:26.18 | vector7 | dalias: sw33t |
| 03:26.41 | vector7 | dalias: glad to help out...I know I was hurting real bad when I formated a card I needed |
| 03:26.48 | dalias | vector7, :) |
| 03:26.57 | abrotman | you can also try mondo |
| 03:27.02 | dalias | glad you immediately thought of pictures |
| 03:27.12 | Enron | heres my problem with running linux at home. I don´t know what to use it for, no interesting project or purpose. can someone give me some ideas. |
| 03:27.13 | dalias | i wouldn't have guessed there was a special tool just for that |
| 03:27.41 | abrotman | Enron: you don't have to have a project .. you can just use it for everything :) |
| 03:28.43 | rmaj|wrk | why jabber.org dies all the time O_o |
| 03:28.49 | Enron | well itś just another os. I mean I would like to be able to do some cool stuff |
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| 03:29.06 | Strogg | hello hello |
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| 03:30.00 | Enron | how can I setup something like cpanel with ready-install web apps |
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| 03:31.04 | rmaj|wrk | If I need a recent version of few applications, is it doable? |
| 03:31.11 | abrotman | Enron: there's no cpanel in debian |
| 03:31.11 | rmaj|wrk | versions that are in unstable or testing |
| 03:31.12 | maddash | is it just me, or is lenny slowly amassing increasing amounts of disk space with each `aptitude update && aptitude upgrade`? |
| 03:31.24 | rmaj|wrk | maddash: aptitude clean |
| 03:32.27 | Strogg | I've got a lib that I installed (libstdc++5) to make a proprietary package work.. but not everytime I use apt-get, it tells me that I don't need it. Is there a way to use apt pinning to make it not try to remove it? |
| 03:33.41 | Strogg | I've looked at a couple apt pinning howtos, but they seem to be more for pinning a specific version than the version of debian you're running.. |
| 03:35.45 | xsdg | Strogg: apt-get install libstdc++5 |
| 03:36.03 | xsdg | Strogg: if you try to install it manually, it should stop wanting to autoremove it |
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| 03:36.27 | jmworx | any VoIP maintainer around? |
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| 03:47.56 | n3kl | Can I change a single user's mail delivery location to a maildir instead of an mbox? |
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| 03:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you do that for all users? |
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| 03:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. can you do it at all? |
| 03:49.21 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 03:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | how? :) |
| 03:49.50 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: on the MTA configuration |
| 03:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | exim? |
| 03:50.12 | indraveni | hi all |
| 03:50.13 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know. I dont' have root. |
| 03:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would guess you could do something with a users .procmailrc |
| 03:50.26 | indraveni | if i am running v4l-conf commandm it shows me output like |
| 03:50.32 | indraveni | ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument |
| 03:50.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I've only used mboxes... so... |
| 03:51.05 | indraveni | thus xawtv -hwscan is not showing me my webcam in the ouput |
| 03:51.13 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: ah... |
| 03:51.16 | vector7 | having issues with a raid5 changing sizes on reboot...anyone run into that before? |
| 03:51.20 | indraveni | my webcam is motioneye, builtin cam in sony vaio laptop |
| 03:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !procmail |
| 03:52.00 | dpkg | [procmail] the ultimate way to process your incoming mail into folders, feed it to external programs, and so on. http://www.procmail.org/, or ask me about procmail tutorial |
| 03:52.06 | squisher | indraveni: do you know what driver it uses? |
| 03:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, seems it should be able to do the job according to dpkg |
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| 03:52.49 | fester64 | hey sorry to bother |
| 03:53.00 | fester64 | but how do you get ssh oing on debian etch |
| 03:53.08 | stew | i wouldn't say 'ultimate' as maildrop is 'imho' nicer |
| 03:53.09 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: I will check it out. I have been useing fetchmail, which does not support it. |
| 03:53.17 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for the tip. |
| 03:53.17 | fester64 | trying to fixmy homies box from gentoo |
| 03:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, procmail is something else than fetchmail, though... procmail will process the mail that is incoming via your normal MTA, while fetchmail does pop3 and stuff |
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| 03:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | fester64, apt-get install ssh |
| 03:54.34 | fester64 | thank you CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:54.40 | fester64 | i havent used debian in years] |
| 03:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | fester64, but it should be installed by default (?) so just use it? |
| 03:54.59 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not necessarily installed by default |
| 03:54.59 | fester64 | its his box |
| 03:55.01 | fester64 | i use gentoo |
| 03:55.08 | fester64 | im trying to fix his xorg/nvidia |
| 03:55.15 | fester64 | and he needed help getting it oing |
| 03:55.18 | fester64 | thank you bro |
| 03:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, ok, sounds weird... what do you do with a system without ssh(d) :) |
| 03:55.28 | fester64 | im FUCKED up and couldnt remember |
| 03:55.54 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: lots of things, actually. |
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| 03:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yeah, but they all get useless if you cant connect to the machine |
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| 03:56.24 | maddash | fester64: gentoo? how's it feel to recompile everything? |
| 03:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... well, you know what I mean anyways |
| 03:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, slow :) |
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| 03:56.36 | fester64 | tis ok |
| 03:56.43 | fester64 | im actully using archlinux am |
| 03:56.50 | fester64 | i love it its like a superfast debian |
| 03:58.28 | maddash | fester64: how's it "superfaster" than debian? |
| 03:58.42 | fester64 | oh man you have no idea |
| 03:58.47 | fester64 | more uptodate packaes |
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| 03:58.54 | fester64 | like .debs kinda |
| 03:58.55 | Szeraax | quick random question: how illega, if any,l would it be for someone to write a linux game that used all the same network stuff as World of Warcraft? meaning, running this random game that connects to WoW servers looks like a normal install to blizzard? is that illegal or just really hard since they dont release their source? Also, isn't reverse engineering drivers kinda like that anyway? |
| 03:58.57 | fester64 | but holy shit |
| 03:58.59 | simonrvn | one would say the same about you... |
| 03:59.03 | fester64 | uptodaete |
| 03:59.10 | maddash | fester64: what's that got to do with speed? |
| 03:59.24 | simonrvn | !pal fester64 |
| 03:59.40 | maddash | Szeraax: how'd that "l" walk all the way there? |
| 03:59.40 | fester64 | kernel |
| 03:59.44 | fester64 | uses the sd schedular |
| 03:59.50 | fester64 | =) |
| 03:59.57 | fester64 | very very fast distro |
| 03:59.59 | fester64 | binanry |
| 04:00.07 | simonrvn | there is no sd scheduler |
| 04:00.09 | fester64 | or source |
| 04:00.13 | fester64 | yeah i know |
| 04:00.14 | Szeraax | maddash: well, that what happens when you type and then go in and edit before pressing enter |
| 04:00.16 | fester64 | cn cancledit |
| 04:00.20 | simonrvn | and, could you go troll elsewhere? thanks |
| 04:00.20 | fester64 | i still talk to con |
| 04:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, if any l :) |
| 04:00.30 | fester64 | i aint no fcking troll |
| 04:00.41 | fester64 | i know my linux body |
| 04:00.43 | maddash | boring. |
| 04:00.45 | simonrvn | then STFU please, and prove it |
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| 04:00.52 | fester64 | [ Kernel: 2.6.22-ARCH Distro: Arch Linux (Don't Panic). ] [ CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ - 2204.653 ] [ Mem U/T: 0218/0435 MB ] [ Disk Space F/T: 137.1373 GB/153.0 GB ] [ Video Card: nVidia GeForce 6150 LE ] [ Uptime: 2:47 Load: 0.25 - 0.17 - 0.10 Procs: 75/7861 ] |
| 04:00.55 | maddash | simonrvn: splash? |
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| 04:01.09 | simonrvn | plonk is in order |
| 04:01.22 | maddash | I think that even KDE would feel "superfast" under his system... |
| 04:01.31 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: I see. I don't think procmail is what I am looking for on this particular occasion, but thanks |
| 04:01.55 | _vector_ | maddash: ouch KDE bash :P |
| 04:02.10 | fester64 | =S |
| 04:02.22 | maddash | fester64: no offense |
| 04:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, hm, it might still be... not sure - but it's possible that things fetched with fetchmail can still be processed by procmail |
| 04:02.39 | fester64 | non taking man |
| 04:02.44 | simonrvn | they can |
| 04:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, perhaps check in the manpages of fetchmail |
| 04:03.01 | simonrvn | look for mda in that manual |
| 04:03.01 | n3kl | fester64: you are an idiot |
| 04:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, or looks you here: http://www.ilkertemir.com/document/fetchmail-procmail.html |
| 04:03.17 | fester64 | how about no |
| 04:03.44 | maddash | stew: aren't you going to punish him for name-calling? |
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| 04:04.24 | maddash | or is that really hypocrisy that I'm smelling? |
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| 04:04.47 | _vector_ | a hypocrit is as a hypocrit does lol |
| 04:05.24 | Orion_X11 | which p2p do I install? Emule or Frostwire? Which is best? |
| 04:05.26 | n3kl | stew: should I not be name calling? |
| 04:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yehova? |
| 04:06.18 | fester64 | frostwire |
| 04:06.21 | _vector_ | Orion_X11: try the friend to friend p2p client...less likely to get sued by the RIAA |
| 04:06.23 | fester64 | gtk-gnutella |
| 04:06.34 | fester64 | both good |
| 04:06.36 | fester64 | i use both |
| 04:06.36 | maddash | Orion_X11: first, 'echo "Installing bottom-line first:"; for i in `seq 1 222000`; do apt-get install one-dollar; done` |
| 04:06.55 | _vector_ | nice1 |
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| 04:07.19 | _vector_ | maddash: I tried it and said apt-get not found! :O |
| 04:07.24 | Xitium | Question: I just installed the artwiz fonts how do I refresh so I can use them? |
| 04:07.31 | maddash | _vector_: traitor!! |
| 04:07.40 | _vector_ | maddash: :P |
| 04:08.07 | _vector_ | of course the start button wouldn't let me type the command |
| 04:08.21 | _vector_ | and ctl-alt-delete didn't make apt-get work either |
| 04:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | _vector_, try rebooting your computer without saving any important data first for a couple of times, though |
| 04:08.55 | maddash | !ping |
| 04:08.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:09.07 | _vector_ | Xitium: I usually restart Xorg, but I'm sure there is an easier more elegent way |
| 04:09.28 | Xitium | hmm, I can't really kill it right now |
| 04:09.55 | _vector_ | CutMeOwnThroat: if I did that it would be like I was cutting my own throat...I might loose some important data ;P |
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| 04:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | _vector_, it's the standard procedure for windows systems, for sure (at which you were hinting, if I wasnt mistaken) |
| 04:11.40 | _vector_ | CutMeOwnThroat: reboot windows? after a "00:07:42 up 16 days" uptime? never |
| 04:11.51 | _vector_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I was eluding to windows...you got me |
| 04:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | _vector_, reboot quickly, before your computer starts erupting flames :-P |
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| 04:12.54 | _vector_ | CutMeOwnThroat: luckily rebooting windows only makes the little window go away and doesn't interrupt xchat |
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| 04:14.00 | _vector_ | anyone know why a hardware raid partition would change size after reboot? |
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| 04:14.08 | maddash_ | :( |
| 04:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it gets bored and wants a change? |
| 04:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | else: none whatsoever |
| 04:15.29 | alaQ | _vector_: what size of a change? |
| 04:16.07 | _vector_ | alaQ: it is a 3TB raid5 and it shows up as 746GB after reboot |
| 04:16.31 | alaQ | well, that's not good... Unfortunately, I'm not sure. |
| 04:16.50 | _vector_ | yeah I'm stumped as well....might need to sit in front of the box to figure it out |
| 04:17.03 | _vector_ | might also try self compiled kernel |
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| 04:22.10 | maddash_ | woooooooooooo |
| 04:22.20 | maddash_ | !smite maddash |
| 04:22.24 | maddash_ | !gentoosmite maddash |
| 04:22.30 | maddash_ | maddash: dumbass |
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| 04:23.17 | _vector_ | ouch gentoo digg |
| 04:23.49 | maddash_ | 'gentoo digg'? |
| 04:23.58 | _vector_ | ie gentoo bash |
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| 04:24.26 | _vector_ | poor gentoo users who have to actually know how stuff to use a distro |
| 04:24.40 | _vector_ | wow my engrish sucks lol |
| 04:24.41 | maddash_ | same with debian, really |
| 04:24.49 | maddash_ | to a lesser extent |
| 04:24.52 | GreaseMonkey | yeah |
| 04:25.04 | _vector_ | yeah and ubunut/fedora/suse even lesser |
| 04:25.15 | GreaseMonkey | it's just "let's patch this and that" |
| 04:25.18 | _vector_ | I guess that is why I run LFS |
| 04:25.26 | _vector_ | NOT! |
| 04:25.46 | _vector_ | LFS=linux from scratch for all the n00bs in debian land |
| 04:25.51 | GreaseMonkey | i had to patch my init runlevel scripts in a hackjobby way to get internet working |
| 04:25.56 | ameyer | sometimes you just need it to "just work" or something like that |
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| 04:26.36 | indraveni | squisher, it uses ricoh driver |
| 04:26.43 | alaQ | with gentoo comes the knowledge and experience of self-compiling everything. with debian, the knowledge of the fact that that really isn't necessary. :) |
| 04:27.07 | dalias | lol |
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| 04:27.16 | dalias | whether it's necessary depends on what you're doing |
| 04:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | _vector_, if you know how things work, fedora/suse stop working :) |
| 04:27.27 | dalias | but gentoo is not very useful when it is necessary, imo |
| 04:27.39 | alaQ | dalias: at least you know how to then, right? |
| 04:27.43 | _vector_ | CutMeOwnThroat: true |
| 04:27.45 | dalias | no |
| 04:27.50 | dalias | gentoo does not teach you how to compile |
| 04:27.56 | _vector_ | true |
| 04:27.57 | dalias | all it teaches you how to do is type emerge |
| 04:27.59 | dalias | just like apt-get |
| 04:28.01 | maddash_ | macs suck, btw. today, I was typing up my homework for quantum chem in "word:mac", and I had just finished pounding out my work with that god-awful equation editor. I hit apple+S (Save), and this message box pops up telling me that I'd run out of disk space. `df` gave 45GB free space, and only ms word was open. I ended up having to print the damn thing, rebooting, and retyping my work from scratch. fuck, man, just fuck. |
| 04:28.02 | alaQ | it does when emerge fails... |
| 04:28.06 | dalias | except it takes 30x longer |
| 04:28.10 | alaQ | which happens often. |
| 04:28.10 | _vector_ | but if I know how to compile then it makes things easier then compiling by hand |
| 04:28.11 | maddash_ | ugh, wrong window |
| 04:28.16 | dalias | alaq, haha :P |
| 04:28.18 | dalias | okay |
| 04:28.19 | ameyer | running gentoo is like bolting a huge-ass rear wing on a Honda Civic... |
| 04:28.28 | wils0n__ | gentoo == crap; |
| 04:28.33 | dalias | ameyer, :))))) |
| 04:28.34 | maddash_ | wils0n__: false. |
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| 04:28.51 | wils0n__ | sorry, (gentoo < crap) |
| 04:28.56 | wils0n__ | :) |
| 04:28.57 | _vector_ | wils0n__: lol |
| 04:29.14 | dalias | most of the time when it is necessary to compile, the reason is to eliminate bloat. which would include the entire gentoo base system, especially glibc. |
| 04:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash_, you should try #windows or something... but you could have copy&pasted it to some other app... (as it was clearly ms-word crap you were dealing with) |
| 04:29.21 | _vector_ | well I'm fond of gentoo and debian so I guess I'm < crap with cow |
| 04:29.29 | wils0n__ | lol |
| 04:29.31 | dalias | and python |
| 04:30.02 | _vector_ | maddash: macs don't suck ms sucks...get it right or pay the price |
| 04:30.05 | ameyer | or you need a newer version of something, or what you need isn't packaged... |
| 04:30.10 | maddash_ | CutMeOwnThroat: did you read my rant? Equation editor. and there's no text equivalent, unlike the Tex language that OO.org Math uses |
| 04:30.13 | wils0n__ | python is great. it's a nice little tool |
| 04:30.22 | wils0n__ | not something i'd build a whole OS around though. :-/ |
| 04:30.25 | alaQ | I've been on both ends - gentoo's nice for customization, but i don't want to take that long to do updates. EVER. |
| 04:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash_, there is e.g. powerpoint :) |
| 04:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't say anything of a text equivalent |
| 04:30.51 | _vector_ | maddash_: you could use latex or output all your equtations :P |
| 04:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | or OO :) |
| 04:31.15 | _vector_ | or you could have written all your math out and not had to rewrite lol |
| 04:31.18 | GreaseMonkey | python is nice, if i felt like it i'd be using it all the time |
| 04:31.19 | wils0n__ | FreeBSD has it right.. you can download binaries or compile from source. |
| 04:31.27 | _vector_ | unless your dog ate your homework |
| 04:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr |
| 04:31.43 | alaQ | when I can, of course. |
| 04:31.49 | dalias | someone using @)($*&$()# ms word (or ANYTHING other than latex) for typing math deserves whatever pain they get, and much more |
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| 04:31.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | are we still on #debian or is this #bash-some-random-thing now? |
| 04:31.58 | _vector_ | does arch allow compiling as well as bin? |
| 04:31.59 | maddash__ | arghhhhh |
| 04:32.00 | dalias | for the pain they're subjecting the reader to... |
| 04:32.04 | Xitium | OMG screen is awesome! |
| 04:32.18 | dalias | xitium, yes, screen rocks our worlds :) |
| 04:32.31 | wils0n__ | dalias: amen brother. |
| 04:32.32 | ameyer | as far as I know, you can compile using apt on $debian_based_distro |
| 04:32.34 | _vector_ | screen is the quake (insert other game server here) admins best friend |
| 04:32.39 | ameyer | apt-source I think |
| 04:32.45 | dalias | wils0n__, about math or about screen? :) |
| 04:32.55 | _vector_ | ameyer: interesting indeed |
| 04:33.13 | ameyer | not 100% sure if that's the correct command |
| 04:33.18 | wils0n__ | about Math in LaTeX vs MsWord |
| 04:33.26 | wils0n__ | but yes, screen rocks our world as well |
| 04:33.26 | indraveni | what does my v4l-conf command outout as, ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument |
| 04:33.26 | indraveni | , eman? |
| 04:33.29 | indraveni | mean? |
| 04:33.30 | maddash__ | !apt-source |
| 04:33.55 | alaQ | apt-get source <pkg> |
| 04:34.25 | maddash__ | better. |
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| 04:34.59 | ameyer | so, I messed that up... |
| 04:35.05 | dalias | wils0n__, :) |
| 04:35.05 | ameyer | !lart ameyer |
| 04:35.19 | maddash | maddash_: haha, sucker. |
| 04:35.51 | simonrvn | maddash: o_O |
| 04:36.04 | maddash | simonrvn: MPD |
| 04:36.25 | maddash | !best package in the world |
| 04:36.36 | GreaseMonkey | !start a flamewar |
| 04:36.36 | dpkg | Finnish is better than Swedish |
| 04:36.49 | maddash | !best package in the world |
| 04:36.50 | dpkg | methinks best package in the world is deborphan |
| 04:36.55 | maddash | dpkg: right on |
| 04:36.56 | dpkg | of course i am |
| 04:36.56 | GreaseMonkey | i like the "OS/2 bootloader is all you need" one |
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| 04:37.29 | GreaseMonkey | and then: |
| 04:37.29 | GreaseMonkey | !any ideas |
| 04:37.29 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 04:37.37 | maddash | oh dear. moblock is filtering out google queries. |
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| 04:38.04 | _vector_ | do you use nfq? |
| 04:38.15 | maddash | _vector_: yep |
| 04:38.15 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: dood, thanks again! |
| 04:38.16 | wils0n__ | maddash: moblock? |
| 04:38.23 | GreaseMonkey | simple answer: no |
| 04:38.24 | _vector_ | which client? |
| 04:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | welcome |
| 04:38.40 | GreaseMonkey | simple explanitory answer: wtf is nfq? |
| 04:38.42 | maddash | _vector_: "client"? |
| 04:38.51 | maddash | GreaseMonkey: netfilter queue |
| 04:38.55 | _vector_ | I assume you are using moblock because you are using a p2p client? |
| 04:39.02 | GreaseMonkey | erm, OK |
| 04:39.03 | maddash | GreaseMonkey: it's the newer version of IPT |
| 04:39.11 | maddash | _vector_: shhh. |
| 04:39.12 | GreaseMonkey | never heard of either |
| 04:39.33 | _vector_ | maddash: son't worry I won't tell |
| 04:39.38 | _vector_ | azureus here |
| 04:39.39 | ameyer | IPT=iptables? |
| 04:40.02 | maddash | ameyer: yes, I meant ipt_filter |
| 04:40.16 | _vector_ | I think you mean ipq_filter |
| 04:40.29 | _vector_ | for ip_queue part of iptables |
| 04:40.53 | maddash | _vector_: actually, I was going to google up the madness between *_filter, but I hit my head on a moblock |
| 04:41.26 | _vector_ | maddash: lol how can it just block google? are you only allowing certain ip addresses...strange as I allow ports |
| 04:42.06 | maddash | _vector_: so you tell moblock to leave port 80 untouched? |
| 04:42.14 | _vector_ | yah |
| 04:42.24 | maddash | _vector_: smart. let me try that. |
| 04:42.34 | _vector_ | unless you are using p2p over port 80 then your kinda screwed |
| 04:42.48 | _vector_ | WHITE_TCP_OUT="http https pop3 pop3s imap imaps 53 60500 smtp" |
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| 04:42.52 | _vector_ | that is my list |
| 04:43.31 | _vector_ | but now I just ssh tunnel to another box outside of comcast so no more moblock needed |
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| 04:44.12 | maddash | haha, comcast |
| 04:44.12 | ameyer | mmm, 5 KB/s download speed |
| 04:44.19 | rvalles | yuck |
| 04:44.20 | ameyer | it's comcastic!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:44.31 | enyawix | gnome is so heavy |
| 04:44.32 | rvalles | 1.2MB/s |
| 04:44.33 | rvalles | :P |
| 04:44.42 | ameyer | Comcast sucks at everything they do |
| 04:44.43 | rvalles | (not comcast, of course) |
| 04:44.53 | _vector_ | if I hear that comcastic one more time! |
| 04:45.04 | indraveni | could some one tell me, when the error message as, ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument |
| 04:45.04 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.06 | indraveni | command |
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| 04:45.19 | ameyer | well, the torrent i'm on is relatively new... |
| 04:45.36 | ameyer | 1 seed + .086 distributed copies |
| 04:46.19 | _vector_ | I was getting 30kB/s max until they split the node in the area...sucketh of comcasticeth |
| 04:46.52 | ameyer | I'm on a certain NSA and MAFIAA-affiliated ISP, and I have a hard time maxing out my "1.5 mbps" dsl line |
| 04:46.54 | _vector_ | I used to get over 1MB/s...no longer are the days |
| 04:47.27 | _vector_ | I can't even seed linux torrents if I wished |
| 04:47.28 | ameyer | but I'm usually in the swarm very early on |
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| 04:47.37 | enyawix | ameyer Comcast is not that bad! try Charter they suck bad |
| 04:47.57 | maddash | indraveni: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=v4l-conf+ioctl+VT_GETSTATE+Invalid+argument&btnG=Search |
| 04:48.04 | ameyer | enyawix: their cable sucks and is horribly overpriced |
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| 04:48.15 | ameyer | enyawix: never used em as an ISP |
| 04:48.25 | _vector_ | I just wish I had a choice |
| 04:48.32 | _vector_ | Satellite is not a choice (or dialup) |
| 04:48.35 | maddash | hayden panettiere, here I come! |
| 04:48.45 | ameyer | but from what I've heard, Comcast sucks for internets too |
| 04:48.53 | indraveni | maddash, i have checked all those, but i dint find any solution for that |
| 04:48.57 | _vector_ | yes all my internets get clogged in the tubes |
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| 04:49.10 | enyawix | ameyer Charter is all of that + unstable |
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| 04:49.26 | _vector_ | like just last week my internets was sent and took a day to receive |
| 04:49.33 | maddash | indraveni: which one did you check? |
| 04:49.38 | ameyer | with how Comcast's video service is here, the internet's likely unstable too |
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| 04:50.20 | _vector_ | ameyer: comcast oversold the triple play (tv/phone/internet) in the local area to college students and maxed out the node.....sade 4 weeks until they got new hardware to split it |
| 04:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nite |
| 04:50.28 | indraveni | maddash, all |
| 04:50.45 | ameyer | _vector_: define "the local area" |
| 04:50.48 | maddash | indraveni: all 24.000.000 of them? |
| 04:50.50 | enyawix | and my voip calls drop at time :'( |
| 04:50.58 | _vector_ | ameyer: salisbury, md |
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| 04:51.17 | ameyer | now they're giving free kinda high speed internet for a year if you get phone + tv |
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| 04:51.31 | ameyer | "kinda high speed" = 768k |
| 04:51.34 | _vector_ | ameyer: yeap |
| 04:51.39 | indraveni | maddash, all those which are in first page |
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| 04:51.46 | enyawix | lol kinda high speed |
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| 04:52.06 | ameyer | at least here around Chicago IL... |
| 04:52.15 | ameyer | 768 != high speed |
| 04:52.25 | ameyer | 1.5 mbps is pushing it these days |
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| 04:52.36 | indraveni | maddash, there they are checkign the output of v4l-info, which is not the same as of mine |
| 04:52.52 | maddash | indraveni: oh well |
| 04:52.54 | indraveni | v4l-info gives me the output as, open: /dev/video0 No such device |
| 04:53.04 | _vector_ | well I guess I better give up on this raid issue for tonight.....thanks all |
| 04:53.06 | enyawix | i have 5mb and need more |
| 04:53.17 | _vector_ | i have 8mb and it is lame |
| 04:53.20 | maddash | indraveni: then figure out which module you need for /dev/video0 |
| 04:53.43 | indraveni | maddash, that only i am not ablt to check |
| 04:53.44 | enyawix | is it hard to balance two lines? |
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| 04:53.58 | enyawix | i could buy two lines |
| 04:54.03 | ameyer | to be honest, I'm more bothered by my 384 kbps down... |
| 04:54.13 | indraveni | maddash, i googled, but no approprtiate way i found for getting /dev/video0 |
| 04:54.17 | enyawix | ouch! |
| 04:54.22 | _vector_ | well looks like the node splitting is helping....7900 down and 700 up |
| 04:54.24 | ameyer | erm, up |
| 04:54.25 | enyawix | that hurts |
| 04:54.44 | _vector_ | enyawix: balancing dsl? |
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| 04:55.18 | enyawix | _vector_ i want two cable internet lines |
| 04:55.36 | maddash | indraveni: that's bull. quit trying to get a free ride on such a trivial problem. 'wget google.com/search?q=\/dev\/video0' or go pester #ubuntu. |
| 04:56.14 | _vector_ | shoudn't be that hard to bind them together...depending on their router configs and such....you wouldn't be able to have 10-16MB down just two fast downloads at a time |
| 04:56.19 | enyawix | #ubuntu = "i can not install debian" |
| 04:57.12 | maddash | omg that guy from enterprise is on heroes! |
| 04:57.12 | enyawix | lol |
| 04:57.12 | _vector_ | enyawix: could you get two cable connections to same address? |
| 04:57.17 | maddash | enyawix: "ubuntu" is the African word for "I can't handle debian." |
| 04:57.18 | allisterb | Hi I need libstdc++5 to run Firefox, but it depends on gcc 3.3 base, will installing gcc 3.3 cause any conflicts or overwrite the newer 4.1 ? |
| 04:57.21 | GreaseMonkey | yeah, ubuntu is the african word for "I can't configure Debian" |
| 04:57.26 | enyawix | yes i ask today |
| 04:57.30 | _vector_ | south african |
| 04:57.33 | _vector_ | enyawix: nice |
| 04:57.43 | maddash | allisterb: nope. |
| 04:57.49 | maddash | allisterb: they're two different packages. |
| 04:58.32 | maddash | allisterb: use aptitude to install, in the future, because it tries to resolve (or at least alert you to) whatever conflicts you might encounter |
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| 04:58.53 | allisterb | maddash ok but gcc 3.3 won't symlink itself to be the main gcc or anything right? |
| 04:59.20 | ameyer | given the shared nature of cable internets |
| 04:59.20 | _vector_ | don;t use firefox use iceweasel! |
| 04:59.27 | _vector_ | it's the coolest |
| 04:59.37 | enyawix | iceweasel? |
| 04:59.42 | enyawix | url? |
| 04:59.43 | _vector_ | lol |
| 04:59.48 | enyawix | what is that |
| 05:00.04 | _vector_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla |
| 05:00.18 | _vector_ | http://www.geticeweasel.org/ |
| 05:00.18 | allisterb | _vector_ you're the second person to tell me that, what are the improvements over FF (besides using newer libstdc++)? |
| 05:00.21 | _vector_ | edbian version of firefox |
| 05:00.42 | _vector_ | allisterb: none....just pointing out the elephant in the room |
| 05:02.02 | maddash | allisterb: if it does, it's trivial to fix it on your own. |
| 05:02.09 | enyawix | lol |
| 05:02.16 | _vector_ | ok really got to jet...eyes are starting to burn.....guess I'll hang out in #gentoo next time...cya ubuntu haters lol |
| 05:02.22 | allisterb | _vector_ oh well I'm just familiar with FF, Iceweasel seems...not quite the same and I like the auto updates |
| 05:02.33 | enyawix | i was look for firefox for an hour |
| 05:03.03 | allisterb | maddash, I'm still a linux grashopper, what would I need to do? |
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| 05:03.53 | enyawix | where do i report bugs? install from floppy and you will find many! |
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| 05:04.22 | antazy | i install xfce with command "apt-get install xfce4", how i can run xfce? |
| 05:04.46 | enyawix | xfce4 is nice |
| 05:05.39 | GreaseMonkey | antazy, do you use GDM? |
| 05:05.46 | GreaseMonkey | is it in the session menu? |
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| 05:06.03 | enyawix | fluxbox is very nice |
| 05:06.12 | maddash | allisterb: first, 'ls -l `which gcc` &> myoldgccinfo' |
| 05:06.23 | maddash | allisterb: then install your gcc-3.1-base |
| 05:06.53 | enyawix | the kernel source is nissing |
| 05:06.59 | maddash | allisterb: then, 'ls -l `which gcc` &> mynewgccinfo; diff mynewgccinfo myoldgccinfo' |
| 05:07.03 | enyawix | the kernel source is *missing |
| 05:07.18 | antazy | GreaseMonkey: i dont know, i download and install 180MB debian cd, and run "apt-get install xfce4" |
| 05:07.22 | enyawix | i do not want to change version |
| 05:07.56 | allisterb | maddash, ok thanks and if they differ, just reinstall the 4.1 package? |
| 05:07.57 | maddash | antazy: edit your .xsession, dude |
| 05:08.14 | maddash | allisterb: yep. 'aptitude reinstall gcc-4.1-[don't know the suffix]' |
| 05:08.44 | maddash | antazy: eg, "echo exec xfce4-session >> ${HOME}/.xsession" |
| 05:08.48 | maddash | antazy: and logout |
| 05:11.14 | antazy | ok, i try it |
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| 05:12.35 | GreaseMonkey | hey, i did: apt-get install xfce4, and it removed libfam0. is this really necessary to run KDE? |
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| 05:15.17 | xNinja | hello... |
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| 05:15.38 | xNinja | is there a project or such a thing to make debian an access point with webgui ? |
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| 05:15.52 | xNinja | i want to turn my old computer to access point |
| 05:16.04 | allisterb | ok did it, nothing bad happened, gcc is still 4.1.2 |
| 05:17.11 | simonrvn | GreaseMonkey: not really, it's used to detect file changes, gamin does th same, but only uses a sub-set of that |
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| 05:17.51 | GreaseMonkey | ok. which one would be best to keep? sadly, if i try to reinstall libfam0, it removes xfce4. |
| 05:18.42 | simonrvn | use aptitude, it'll tell you quickly... i'm guessing gamin stuff will satisfy them both |
| 05:19.22 | simonrvn | xfce4 is a meta-package anyway |
| 05:19.40 | simonrvn | !+info xfce4 |
| 05:19.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 05:20.28 | dpkg | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 05:23.21 | simonrvn | see package size? it's just so it pulls in other stuff |
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| 05:28.36 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 05:33.05 | tengulre | when I complie a new kernel , I got "Begin: Waiting for root System... ... Done. Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! " what's wrong? |
| 05:34.11 | wils0n__ | maybe you need to make a /dev/sda1 inode (mknod) Fedora core had a hacked up kernel and no /dev/ inodes back in the day |
| 05:34.13 | wils0n__ | Fedora is crap. |
| 05:35.08 | dalias | wtf |
| 05:35.15 | dalias | is someone asking for fedora shit help here? |
| 05:35.49 | dalias | btw wils0n__ did it really have _nothing_ in /dev ? |
| 05:36.08 | dalias | /dev/null is mandated by posix and stuff will likely not run without it |
| 05:36.13 | tengulre | wilsOn_: the all config in grub is same to old . only img or vm is different. why could not found the sda1?? |
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| 05:41.38 | zoredache | does anyone have any hints about how I could get a dm-crypt device to automount with a keyfile that is stored on the computer? With the hal package and a gui installed when I plug in a usb device it automatically prompts me for a password. I wish to do something on a system without a gui... Any hints about tutorials or references about where I should start? |
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| 05:43.22 | maddash | zoredache: crypttab |
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| 05:44.07 | zoredache | crypttab seems to be about devices that will be present at boot time... |
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| 05:45.22 | zoredache | these will be usb devices, used for backup data, that won't be present all the time... I want the usb drives to automount when I plug in the drive... But then, I may be missing something... |
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| 05:47.19 | maddash | zoredache: crypttab, udevrules |
| 05:48.00 | zoredache | you don't happen to know if I can use the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ in crypttab do you? |
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| 05:59.00 | acadia | anyone here setup virtual users with exim4 and mysql? |
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| 06:00.18 | acadia | ok , here goes, i need to add the virtual_user: directive to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 06:00.26 | acadia | or should it go to another file? |
| 06:00.38 | acadia | i'm using single large file instead of split files? |
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| 06:03.39 | Data_ | hi |
| 06:03.53 | wils0n__ | ehol |
| 06:04.05 | Data_ | is ther an howto for installing Raid sata? |
| 06:04.22 | wils0n__ | WWGD? |
| 06:05.08 | Data_ | I try to install debian on acer altos server with fake raid |
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| 06:05.52 | acadia | ha got it |
| 06:05.58 | acadia | ok, if anyone wants to know |
| 06:06.01 | Data_ | megaraid option in install menu won't works |
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| 06:06.07 | acadia | put it after the "begin routers" |
| 06:06.16 | Data_ | lol |
| 06:06.20 | acadia | section of the template file |
| 06:06.46 | Data_ | I seek fo a howto |
| 06:07.04 | acadia | sorry never tried to install on raid |
| 06:07.08 | Data_ | I 've just found ubuntu howto |
| 06:07.17 | acadia | coolio |
| 06:07.31 | acadia | it seems tonight is the night of figure that isht out yourself |
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| 06:08.01 | Data_ | today for me not night |
| 06:08.15 | acadia | not night |
| 06:08.26 | acadia | i've been trying to configure a mail server going on 5 days |
| 06:08.28 | acadia | don't worry |
| 06:08.42 | Data_ | postfix |
| 06:08.44 | Data_ | ;) |
| 06:09.04 | acadia | yeah, postfix, qmail, ... looked at all |
| 06:09.10 | acadia | it's all a pain in the a$$! |
| 06:09.20 | Data_ | lol |
| 06:09.21 | acadia | I'm going back to windows! |
| 06:09.24 | acadia | just kidding |
| 06:09.32 | wils0n__ | setting up mail is a pain in the ass |
| 06:09.42 | ameyer | Windows is a pain in the ass |
| 06:09.53 | acadia | all have it's purpose |
| 06:10.08 | ameyer | going to check my spam, finding 50 emails, that's windows being a PITA |
| 06:10.14 | acadia | LOL |
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| 06:11.17 | Data_ | window$ is the best way to know why it is important to migrate to GNU/Linux |
| 06:11.38 | Supaplex | what's windows? |
| 06:12.09 | Data_ | something missing in my office |
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| 06:12.10 | Supaplex | oh yeah, was that the protective film I over wrote when I bought my new computer? |
| 06:12.22 | Supaplex | >:) |
| 06:12.50 | Data_ | had you try to play supaplex under GNU/Linux? |
| 06:13.03 | Supaplex | no oem vista refund for the lose. atleast the plethora of rebates paid for all that. |
| 06:13.29 | Supaplex | Data_: not in a long time. I have a dedicated box for that. 386sx16 with 16mb of ram. |
| 06:13.34 | acadia | yes, but can you play halo on GNU/linux |
| 06:13.49 | Supaplex | acadia: no, I suck at it. |
| 06:13.54 | acadia | lol |
| 06:14.11 | Data_ | wwhat is halo? |
| 06:14.38 | Supaplex | Data_: repent and find out ;) |
| 06:14.39 | acadia | funny |
| 06:15.03 | acadia | exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, |
| 06:15.14 | acadia | that's Linux for you! |
| 06:15.26 | acadia | d*mn't can I atleast get a blue screen or something |
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| 06:15.52 | ameyer | there's a BSOD screensaver, I think |
| 06:16.09 | acadia | funny |
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| 06:17.31 | Supaplex | it's even funnier to install on your supervisors pc while they're not looking, then hear rabbid cussing for the next two weeks until they have blood shot eyes |
| 06:17.39 | Data_ | In the begining I had put that bluescreen screensaver; after a momment I said shit it's dead again and pushed the reset button |
| 06:18.02 | Data_ | before to remember me I was not on win$ |
| 06:18.17 | ameyer | someone needs to make a BSOD live cd... |
| 06:18.26 | ameyer | imagine the fun that could be had with that |
| 06:18.44 | Supaplex | oh yeah, loads of fun |
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| 06:19.06 | acadia | ughghghgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:19.12 | ameyer | walk into best buy, pop it in all the computers, and reboot... |
| 06:19.29 | acadia | 553_sorry,_relaying_denied_from_your_location_[204.127.192.85]_(#5.7.1) |
| 06:19.42 | Supaplex | acadia: you spammer! |
| 06:19.48 | acadia | why can't I send a d*mn e-mail remotely to my server!!!!!!!! |
| 06:19.56 | ameyer | actually, a fullscreen windows app could probably perform the same function, and work better |
| 06:20.01 | acadia | I'm pulling my hair out here |
| 06:20.10 | acadia | fudge it, I'm going to sleep |
| 06:20.13 | wils0n__ | acadia |
| 06:20.15 | wils0n__ | that's intended |
| 06:20.17 | Supaplex | acadia: sasl ftw |
| 06:20.26 | wils0n__ | youve gotta set it up to accept emails from elsewhere |
| 06:20.35 | Supaplex | !sasl |
| 06:20.35 | dpkg | somebody said sasl was Simple Authentication and Security Layer, an extensible authentication method defined in RFC 2222. SASL allows for the use of various mechanisms for authentication, which are registered with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). a stupid, evil and poorly documented (but necessary) system for smtp auth. |
| 06:20.37 | acadia | I thought that's what I did |
| 06:20.44 | Supaplex | then login |
| 06:20.52 | ameyer | but not as an open relay... |
| 06:20.58 | Supaplex | aka 'smtp server requires authentication' |
| 06:21.10 | ameyer | unless you like getting permanently blacklisted |
| 06:21.11 | Data_ | acadia you are an happy man; you can pull your hairs; I have just one on my rock |
| 06:21.19 | acadia | lol |
| 06:21.39 | acadia | i followed these instructions, with modification for single file exim4 config |
| 06:21.51 | acadia | http://www.randomsequence.com/articles/smtp-pop3-email-for-virtual-users-on-debian-sarge/ |
| 06:22.02 | acadia | and it's no work for $hit!!! |
| 06:22.16 | acadia | I'm sure it's me |
| 06:22.23 | acadia | but still irritating none the less |
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| 06:22.39 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 06:23.17 | Data_ | I am trying ubuntu on my fakeraid |
| 06:23.38 | Azar | foreplay |
| 06:23.46 | ameyer | #debian's not #ubuntu |
| 06:24.10 | Azar | better said without # |
| 06:24.22 | ameyer | well, it's still true |
| 06:24.37 | Azar | yea but he might think about irc channels only |
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| 06:25.58 | acadia | well, I'll just work on this 2moro |
| 06:26.48 | Data_ | I know ameyer but there is a howto fakeraid in ubuntu communauty and I try to use it for my debian |
| 06:27.05 | Azar | Data_: you can't |
| 06:27.13 | Data_ | why? |
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| 06:27.33 | Azar | because Debian packages and the way you compile outside packages is not same as in ubuntu |
| 06:27.38 | lsemple | hey guys |
| 06:27.52 | Supaplex | !tell Data_ -about based on debian |
| 06:27.53 | Azar | Data_: if you want to deal with debian, deal it like a man... don't run to other distros |
| 06:27.57 | ameyer | well, some ubuntu tutorials are applicable in debian |
| 06:27.59 | Supaplex | lsemple: hi |
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| 06:28.19 | ameyer | heck, some would be somewhat applicable in $non-debian-based-distro |
| 06:28.23 | Azar | ameyer: I bet creates nothing but confusion |
| 06:28.25 | Data_ | I am debian 100% at home |
| 06:28.26 | acadia | how about a tutorial that actually get's e-mail up and running |
| 06:28.32 | acadia | that would be a real nice one |
| 06:28.34 | lsemple | how do I run a program with a different nice level (from command line) ? |
| 06:28.50 | Supaplex | lsemple: with the nice command |
| 06:28.57 | lsemple | ahh |
| 06:28.57 | lsemple | k |
| 06:28.58 | wils0n__ | lsemple : 'sudo nice -19 ./program' |
| 06:28.59 | lsemple | thanks |
| 06:29.03 | lsemple | ok |
| 06:29.13 | lsemple | and anything - means it gets more priority ? |
| 06:29.14 | Azar | massa Supaplex! :) |
| 06:29.17 | lsemple | + is less ? |
| 06:29.25 | ameyer | indeed |
| 06:29.27 | Supaplex | sudo isn't usually required (unless you want root running it, or a more agressive priority) |
| 06:29.28 | wils0n__ | yes, you want it to be 'less nice' to other programs |
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| 06:30.14 | lsemple | ahh |
| 06:30.16 | lsemple | lol |
| 06:30.24 | ameyer | lsemple: if you don't believe it, (WARNING: DoS) nice -n -20 (WARNING: DoS) something CPU intensive |
| 06:30.44 | ameyer | not a good idea, but one way to figure it out |
| 06:31.13 | Supaplex | function mean(){ shift; nice -n -$* } # shoddy hack. |
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| 06:31.36 | lsemple | I just tried nice -10, and It has a +10 ? |
| 06:31.41 | lsemple | when I check it |
| 06:31.52 | lsemple | nice -n -10 ? |
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| 06:34.38 | lsemple | weird, when I try "nice -10 dosbox", dosbox has nice +10 ? |
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| 06:34.56 | lsemple | I need it to be - 10 |
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| 06:35.10 | puff | I'm setting up awstats on a debian box and the docs are a bit unclear. |
| 06:35.21 | ameyer | lsemple: -n -10 would give it -10, which would pretty much pwn your system |
| 06:35.33 | puff | The awstats configure script output says I need to add a cron entry, but there's an /etc/cron.d/awstats already. |
| 06:35.40 | lsemple | yeah I shut most proggrams off when I do this |
| 06:36.00 | simonrvn | puff: uh, ok. how is that a problem? |
| 06:36.50 | puff | simonrvn: Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out, is it a problem? :-) |
| 06:36.57 | lsemple | ahh |
| 06:36.57 | lsemple | ' |
| 06:36.58 | lsemple | k |
| 06:36.59 | lsemple | thanks |
| 06:37.28 | simonrvn | puff: if it asks for a cron job, and there's a cron.d file, then you're ok, no? |
| 06:38.14 | puff | simonrvn: I haven't done a whole lot of messing with cron jobs, so that's what I'd *guess* but I'm looking for a little confirmation. |
| 06:38.41 | simonrvn | puff: you'd guess correctly |
| 06:38.51 | puff | Okay,thanks. |
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| 06:39.02 | puff | Has anybody installed awstats on debian? |
| 06:39.14 | Azar | we have a winner: the DPL election was voted to be shortened |
| 06:39.31 | simonrvn | yes, and you do well by yourself to install debian's, it's more secure thn upstream's .. |
| 06:39.38 | puff | I'm trying to figure out what I need to modify, it looks like the /etc/awstats/awstats.sitename.conf file has a log file entry that points to the wrong log file. |
| 06:39.40 | Azar | so I guess now we gonna see faster DPLs |
| 06:39.42 | puff | simonrvn: Was that for me? |
| 06:39.48 | simonrvn | puff: sure was |
| 06:39.50 | puff | simonrvn: If so, yeah, I used apt-get to install it. |
| 06:41.05 | puff | simonrvn: I'm unsure of the distinction between debian's and upstreams. I assumed that using what was in the debian apt servers was the best bet... is that what you were suggesting? |
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| 06:41.33 | simonrvn | puff: debian's is patched. though i think upstream has fixed theirs by now |
| 06:41.48 | simonrvn | upstream has had security issues... |
| 06:42.52 | puff | Ah. |
| 06:43.06 | puff | simonrvn: Can you clarify what upstream vs debian's means in this context? |
| 06:43.20 | puff | E.g. if I "apt-get install awstats", does that mean I get debians? |
| 06:43.23 | simonrvn | i already said that ;) |
| 06:43.26 | simonrvn | of course |
| 06:43.42 | puff | Well, no, you didn't, but okay. |
| 06:43.46 | puff | :-) |
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| 06:44.02 | Azar | I want babies debians |
| 06:44.14 | puff | /etc/awstats/awstats.sitename.conf has a single Logfile parameter, but I have both access and error logs. |
| 06:44.19 | RvGaTe^work | Azar, just call your own babie Debian... |
| 06:44.21 | puff | Hm, /etc/awstats/awstats.sitename.conf has a single Logfile parameter, but I have both access and error logs. |
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| 06:44.35 | puff | Does awstats not do error log analysis? |
| 06:44.36 | Azar | hmmm not bad idea |
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| 06:44.45 | simonrvn | puff: sec |
| 06:45.36 | Azar | mann, surfing without images is lot faster! |
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| 06:46.00 | simonrvn | puff: i just did access.log... doesn't really need the error log anyway |
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| 06:46.51 | puff | I guess what's really confusing me here is that the docs seem to be of two types, the first attempts to be just "do this an dit will work"... but they're incomplete/incorrect. |
| 06:47.09 | simonrvn | yes, they do suck |
| 06:47.20 | ameyer | Azar: and less bloated too |
| 06:47.20 | puff | The second *sort* of explains all the bits you have to do, but doesn't explain why, so I don't understand what's goign on. |
| 06:47.44 | Azar | ameyer: ya where you think that some images are blowing up my browser... |
| 06:47.56 | ameyer | If you don't need images or javascript or anything, a gui browser isn't the right tool |
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| 06:48.19 | ameyer | admittedly, w3m sucks for most forms of pr0n... |
| 06:48.45 | Azar | ameyer: the only reason I use a gui browser is the fact that I am hard to read fluently on a screen with black background |
| 06:48.53 | ameyer | but for 90% of my webbrowsing, w3m works just fine |
| 06:49.15 | ameyer | Azar: use $terminal_emulator with a white background? |
| 06:49.26 | Azar | ameyer: I used to search a musical archive using links, and I can tell you is a bit hard to navigate the inventory |
| 06:49.50 | ameyer | well, w3m works fine for a lot of my browsing needs |
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| 06:50.19 | Azar | ameyer: firefox without any plugins, extensions, js and images is really cool |
| 06:50.19 | ameyer | admittedly, both online banking sites I use fail miserably, but I can live with that |
| 06:50.32 | Azar | ew, you bank online? |
| 06:50.36 | Azar | nasty |
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| 06:50.44 | ameyer | shrug |
| 06:51.50 | outlaw84 | I am having some really strange problems with my ext3 parition... When I try to copy files to it or create directories I get that the device is full but 'df -h' says there is 166Gb free |
| 06:51.52 | puff | I've done some work on online banking stuff, almost nobody bothers to support non-javascript browsers. |
| 06:51.59 | Azar | im gonna bank online when banks will use Debian OS |
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| 06:52.11 | puff | Their idea of "support" is to display a "you must use a browser with javascript" message. |
| 06:52.18 | ameyer | yeah |
| 06:52.24 | simonrvn | nasty |
| 06:52.29 | puff | Azar: That's not as far off as yo might think... I know at least one major bank that uses linux in various roles. |
| 06:52.32 | Azar | puff: their loss, not mine |
| 06:52.32 | ameyer | not to mention spurious use of iframes |
| 06:52.59 | Azar | puff, websites that snubs my settings are a goodbye for me |
| 06:53.19 | puff | Yup. |
| 06:53.30 | outlaw84 | In Sweden we got the whole range of internet banks... from officall linux support to internet explorer only |
| 06:53.32 | ameyer | I really need a place to put my money that gets more than 1% (and shrinking) interest |
| 06:53.42 | Supaplex | outlaw84: lsof can show deleted files that have not released their file handles. (they won't free until the FH is released to) |
| 06:53.45 | Azar | what is ccache, simonrvn ? |
| 06:53.55 | simonrvn | !+info ccache |
| 06:53.55 | Supaplex | !ccache |
| 06:53.55 | dpkg | it has been said that ccache is a tool for speeding up compiling times by using cached data, or awesome, or at http://ccache.samba.org/ |
| 06:53.56 | dpkg | ccache: (Compiler results cacher, for fast recompiles), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4-9 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 06:54.19 | Azar | ah using cached data.. |
| 06:54.22 | ameyer | I'd love to stick around and chat, but it's almost 2 AM |
| 06:54.27 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: I no files have been deleted... Is a brand new 250Gb partition that I am trying to fill |
| 06:54.30 | simonrvn | oh ffs... broked package... |
| 06:54.34 | Azar | ameyer: same here |
| 06:54.46 | cxhan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.04 | outlaw84 | cxhan: do a fsck? |
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| 06:55.36 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:55.38 | cxhan | fsck |
| 06:55.51 | ameyer | fsck this |
| 06:56.00 | Azar | welcome back honorable dimir! |
| 06:56.53 | dimir | Azar: thanks! ;) |
| 06:56.59 | ameyer | .lv? latvia? |
| 06:57.05 | dimir | ye |
| 06:57.08 | Azar | ameyer: yup |
| 06:57.33 | Azar | ameyer: la might mean more things, like los angeles, louisiana.. |
| 06:57.35 | ameyer | trying to market it as .lasvegas |
| 06:57.44 | Penix | ebay's got some anti-phishing banner on their site with an 'evildoer' using a notebook sporting a "Phishing since '02" sticker with an image of Tux next to it |
| 06:57.56 | Penix | surprised a bunch of zealous lusers haven't started a nerd war |
| 06:58.04 | ameyer | Azar: they were marketing it for los angeles |
| 06:58.07 | simonrvn | bastards |
| 06:58.09 | dimir | $ grep LA /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab |
| 06:58.09 | dimir | LA Laos |
| 06:58.10 | ameyer | ebay suxxors |
| 06:58.20 | Azar | yea, Laos too see? |
| 06:58.40 | ameyer | yeah, well, is laos even on the internet? |
| 06:58.44 | Penix | pretty sure it was in use before that 'study' about linux use in botnets or whatever |
| 06:58.53 | Azar | ameyer: you never know :) |
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| 06:59.03 | ameyer | (for what it's worth, .la failed when marketed to los angeles) |
| 06:59.16 | dimir | hehe |
| 06:59.29 | dimir | You think every state needs separate TLD? |
| 06:59.34 | puff | simonrvn: This looks like a somewhat better tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/85 |
| 06:59.39 | puff | simonrvn: On awstats. |
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| 07:00.00 | ameyer | no, I don't think that it's a good idea, I'm just surprised it hasn't happened |
| 07:00.28 | dimir | Or are LA people so full of theirselves. :-P |
| 07:00.30 | Supaplex | hurmnnmmm |
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| 07:01.57 | cafuego | I think you'll find los angles isn't actually a state |
| 07:02.02 | outlaw84 | I run fsck showed nothing and I still cant write more data to the partition |
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| 07:02.26 | Manoj | hi folks |
| 07:02.26 | Azar | dimir: you are right, they are so full they look like air baloons |
| 07:02.29 | Supaplex | outlaw84: what filesystem is it? |
| 07:02.33 | outlaw84 | ext3 |
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| 07:02.54 | Supaplex | outlaw84: what's tune2fs show? http://rafb.net/paste |
| 07:04.34 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: what parameters should I use with tune2fs? If I just send the device I get nothing |
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| 07:04.42 | dimir | Azar: :-) |
| 07:04.55 | dimir | fsck. LA is not a state indeed. |
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| 07:05.26 | Supaplex | outlaw84: -l /device |
| 07:05.32 | dimir | CA |
| 07:06.18 | Azar | Penix: you are right: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/05/linux-boxes-power-windows |
| 07:06.25 | Manoj | well, the way LA is growing ... |
| 07:06.32 | puff | simonrvn: All of these tutorials at one point or another say, to see the awstats report, go to www.example.com/cgi-bin/awstats.pl. Howeve,r there's no awstats.pl anywhere I can find. |
| 07:06.56 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/H1JuNi95.html |
| 07:07.35 | Supaplex | outlaw84: line 18 |
| 07:08.38 | puff | simonrvn: Ah, found it in /usr/lib/cgi-bin. |
| 07:08.45 | Azar | dimir: hmm LA I guess is the size of entire Ukraine |
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| 07:10.27 | dimir | Population: 3,849,378 |
| 07:10.48 | Azar | which population? |
| 07:10.56 | dimir | Ukraine population: 46,490,400 |
| 07:11.02 | dimir | You are not even close. :-) |
| 07:11.07 | dimir | The first is for LA. |
| 07:11.10 | Azar | no way |
| 07:11.25 | Azar | hmm maybe the downtown city man |
| 07:11.29 | dimir | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles,_California |
| 07:11.34 | dimir | Unless you trust wiki. |
| 07:12.11 | puff | Blah, this is frustrating... anybody know how to get awstats working? |
| 07:12.49 | Azar | dimir: you are right: 9,948,081 |
| 07:12.50 | dimir | Don't compare with Moscow (population: 13,200,000 inhabitants) |
| 07:13.18 | Azar | man where so many people sleep? |
| 07:13.36 | RvGaTe^work | Azar, im awake |
| 07:13.45 | RvGaTe^work | Azar, i would be fired if i start sleeping |
| 07:13.54 | RvGaTe^work | Azar, tho i could use some sleep |
| 07:13.57 | Azar | hehe I used to work nights too |
| 07:13.58 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: does that mean that the filetable is full or what? |
| 07:14.16 | RvGaTe^work | Azar, its 9.13 am |
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| 07:14.28 | Azar | ah.. |
| 07:14.36 | dimir | [10:14] <RvGaTe^work> Azar, its 9.13 am |
| 07:14.41 | dimir | RvGaTe^work: fix your clock! |
| 07:14.43 | dimir | :-D |
| 07:14.52 | outlaw84 | 09:14 < RvGaTe^work> Azar, its 9.13 am |
| 07:14.52 | RvGaTe^work | dimir, yeah... i COULD... |
| 07:14.56 | Azar | dimir "dei" don't use military time |
| 07:14.59 | nvz | hmm.. why the hell is putting something like =(b4*c4)+(b5*c5)+... etc where B is a price col, and C is a Qty col giving me $335.00 with nothing or all zeros in the C col? |
| 07:15.02 | Supaplex | !inode |
| 07:15.02 | dpkg | well, inode is a filesystem entry: a file, a directory, or some other item |
| 07:15.07 | Supaplex | outlaw84: yes |
| 07:15.25 | Supaplex | outlaw84: there's no more room for it to keep track of files etc. |
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| 07:15.51 | Azar | nvz because you did not apply the formula correctly? |
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| 07:15.53 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: But why does not is make more room? :S |
| 07:16.00 | ryty | what's the easiest way to build an apps menu for current apps? |
| 07:16.04 | nvz | Azar: what am I doing wrong? |
| 07:16.23 | Azar | nvz one sec I need to visualise |
| 07:16.30 | Supaplex | outlaw84: I don't know. I've never run out of inodes before. do you have an insane amount of small files? |
| 07:16.33 | nvz | Azar: I put the parens in so that the totalling of the price per qty was calculated before totalling |
| 07:17.22 | RvGaTe^work | Azar, yesterday was a very bad day.... i worked from 8 till 5... when i got home at a quarter to 6, we eated... and i left again for my other job at 7 to reinstall some server together with my boss.... ended up staying there till 1.30 am... and it was my birthday yesterday... can it get any worse... :( |
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| 07:18.04 | ryty | RvGaTe^work: yes. |
| 07:18.10 | outlaw84 | seams I had 238455 files on 66gb |
| 07:18.16 | RvGaTe^work | ryty, pelase dotn start ! |
| 07:18.32 | ryty | RvGaTe^work: wasn't going to, was just saying it could get worse |
| 07:18.45 | RvGaTe^work | ryty, good... coz it feels like shit.. lol |
| 07:18.45 | Azar | nvz I would assume that the B and C columns are variables where you store data, there must be the D col who would have the formula for the totals? |
| 07:19.15 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: I guess 238455@66gb is alot speciall considering I chose largefile when creating the ext3 |
| 07:19.47 | nvz | Azar: trying to avoid needing a D col of totals per qty just want to have a single cell total the qtys of each price row B is a col of prices and C is a col of quantity |
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| 07:20.05 | Supaplex | outlaw84: ahhh. I only use largefile4 on my nfs server for the backup dumps. (most of the tarballs there are 1g+) |
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| 07:21.14 | Azar | nvz do you have variable prices? or fixed prices and only qty is variable? |
| 07:21.24 | MM2 | server has 4GB of memory, must I install 64-bit version or is 32-bit version sufficient? |
| 07:21.29 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: I did not use largefile4 but "regual" lagre file but still... Can it be converted or do I need to recreate it all? |
| 07:21.30 | nvz | Azar: both can vary |
| 07:21.58 | outlaw84 | MM2: if you can you should run 64-bit |
| 07:22.06 | Azar | nvz: then there is a problem, say each line will have a b2*c2 total on a D cell. |
| 07:22.21 | Azar | nvz: if the price would be fixed then it would be much easier |
| 07:22.36 | MM2 | amd64 for intel xeon? |
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| 07:23.25 | Azar | well, you could do a trick, the only one grand total could be set on a last cell say C25 where all calculation is performed for all cells filled with data |
| 07:23.29 | nvz | I think I am getting to the point where I need to write a custom program and move away from the spreadsheet. I am trying to make something I can tune variables like price and qty and give profit projections |
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| 07:23.53 | chris00_29724 | www.nackte-ex.de.gg : meine rache an der alten schlampe! |
| 07:24.03 | Supaplex | outlaw84: you'll have to redo it. are you using lvm2? you could resize the fs+lv down, create a new fs+lv, and move things over. |
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| 07:24.14 | Supaplex | !ops chris00_29724 =~ smells of spam |
| 07:24.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: chris00_29724 =~ smells of spam |
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| 07:24.44 | Supaplex | a tld of .gg? odd. |
| 07:25.06 | outlaw84 | mkfs.ext3 -O resize_inode /dev/sdb1 seams to be doing the trick |
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| 07:25.24 | outlaw84 | its running now... will soon see if it worked |
| 07:25.41 | Azar | nvz: this kind of program was on my first book on C..., tho a spreadsheet has also functions that can act as a small program |
| 07:25.53 | Azar | "if" |
| 07:26.13 | nvz | Azar: yeah well I'd rather not learn some goofy script language in a spreadsheet app |
| 07:26.22 | nvz | I could work more quickly in a language I am comfortable in |
| 07:26.35 | Azar | nvz: they are not goofy, I work with it everyday... in accounting |
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| 07:26.36 | grml-user | hi |
| 07:26.51 | Azar | is just like learning the rules of a game... to be able to play with |
| 07:27.32 | grml-user | Each boot sequence `fsck.ext2 -a -C0 /dev/hda6` is launch |
| 07:27.37 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: oh it did not work... It erased all the old data... I knew it was a good idea to use cp instead of mv when I put the files there in the first place |
| 07:27.48 | grml-user | and it takes a very long time |
| 07:28.19 | Supaplex | outlaw84: oops :) |
| 07:28.24 | grml-user | This is because /dev/hda6 is not properly unmounted |
| 07:28.54 | grml-user | But I dunno how unmount it properly |
| 07:29.01 | Azar | umount |
| 07:29.20 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: No probs this time, since I got the original data but it could have been really bad :) |
| 07:29.34 | Supaplex | ey'ah |
| 07:29.50 | grml-user | my etc/fstab own /dev/hda6 /storage ext2 defaults 0 2 |
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| 07:30.30 | Azar | grml-user: you did unmount or umount? |
| 07:30.35 | grml-user | how automatyze the umount process every time I shutdown please ? |
| 07:30.46 | mortal_ | nice word |
| 07:30.56 | outlaw84 | Supaplex: what file type is selected if I dont specify one? because I dont know if seting '-T small' is so good eaither because there are going to be large files as well |
| 07:31.00 | grml-user | Azar: I did nothing I just shutdown the computer |
| 07:31.17 | nvz | Azar: I am wanting to do complex things now.. I got about all regular spreadsheeting will do. if I say have a row "ID, Price, Cost, Net Profit, Percent Profit, Total Profits" where the first two are dependant variables and the last 4 are independant variables that I want to be able to fine tune if desired changing the effect of either of the two depend vars.. thats custom programming |
| 07:31.32 | Azar | grml-user: next time try typing umount (not unmount) to take it down |
| 07:31.55 | grml-user | a little fastidious isn't it ? :) |
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| 07:32.42 | grml-user | other partitions are correctly umounted while kernel sequence |
| 07:33.00 | grml-user | I can't understand why hda6 is not |
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| 07:34.03 | Azar | nvz: you can do a side grid of formulas that will point to the desired locations by applying various percentages, when you will enter a value it will act on that value, when the value is different, the percentages will give different results |
| 07:35.24 | Azar | nvz: say you have a spreadsheet of A, B, C, D, E and F columns... you can create a separate grid on L, M, N, O, P, R that will contains formulas which will influence your spreadsheet behavior depending on what you need |
| 07:35.31 | nvz | in any case I think I am done for now.. I'll run the projections by hand for the time being.. |
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| 07:35.53 | Azar | nvz: its ok but continue playing with possibilities, is fun |
| 07:36.45 | nvz | the spreadsheet right now can only show me how much I will make total if I sell all qty of one item if I set the vars a certain way.. it will not show me total projections in a semi-realistic situation where I only sell a few of these, a few of those |
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| 07:37.26 | Azar | nvz play with percentages, what if you sell only 50%? or 75% etc.. |
| 07:37.36 | sussudio | %tell ApEtc about away |
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| 07:38.02 | indraveni | hi |
| 07:38.14 | indraveni | can some tell me,w here can i get v4l module |
| 07:38.56 | Azar | nvz: say B is price, C is quantity and D is the total , E might show you a 50%, F a 75% etc |
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| 07:39.14 | ApEtc | sussudio: Terribly sorry about that. Just reinstalled and apparently missed a setting or two. |
| 07:39.22 | sussudio | :-| |
| 07:39.33 | sussudio | indraveni: ubuntu is not debian, try your own channel. |
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| 07:40.12 | puff | If anybody else is curious, the best awstats-on-debian tutorial I've come across so far is http://www.debuntu.org/2006/04/21/33-how-to-setting-up-awstats-with-apache-2-on-debianubuntu/2 |
| 07:40.30 | puff | It appears to be all good, but I'm still grinding through a large log file, so I can't report total success yet. |
| 07:40.33 | ringo999_ | hi, does anyone have an hp nc6400 notebook? how did you get the wireless to work. wireless is working, except the wireless button to turn it on won't function... :-( |
| 07:40.50 | puff | At least I hope it's grinding through a large log file, else it's merely hung and I'm, uhm, fscked. |
| 07:40.55 | nvz | Azar: the thing is I am not actually running this on different items.. its one item, single inventory.. prices differ due to package deals.. so when I say different items I mean different qty's and I am giving usual qty discount curves.. so.. I could make 74% profit selling all my inventory at one qty or %50 at another |
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| 07:42.00 | indraveni | sussudio, I am using debian not ubuntu |
| 07:42.03 | tarzeau | any sponsors caring about gnustep? |
| 07:42.31 | nvz | Azar: but realistically I may make 170% in a random scenario when the mean profits are only 115% if I sell all of one qty |
| 07:44.15 | nvz | Azar: when I am setting the prices on each qty I am going by how much profit I make for that qty and also how much I could make total and trying to keep that number at a level I like.. but what really matters to me is overall profit on the whole inventory.. so if I realistically sell more of the smaller qtys at a higher price, then I can drop the prices on all them and still make my quota |
| 07:44.28 | Azar | nvz: I was about to jump over 100% but how many more items can you sell over what you just declared ? |
| 07:44.34 | SlimG2 | I've got a table in a MySQL database with weatherdata from a weatherstation, anyone know what tool to use to "convert" this data into a customized .png graph ? |
| 07:45.20 | Azar | nvz: way before I even knew what a computer is, I allways succeeded with the rule of 3 simple that even today I sometimes apply on my formulas |
| 07:47.04 | Azar | and the rule of 3 simple goes like that: if one toothpaste (1) costs $4.50 , how much I would spend for 5. Thats easy but you can go with all numbers, prices and quantities you want |
| 07:47.36 | Supaplex | xen says there's an invalid argument using this config. http://rafb.net/p/A4taLc15.html What's the invalid argument? I'm using xenman to manage this. |
| 07:47.44 | Azar | ..if 25lb of gasoline cost $ 75.00 how many lb can I get for $125.00 ? |
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| 07:47.56 | Azar | you have three knowns and one unknown |
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| 07:48.23 | nvz | Azar: I'm planning on buying over 100, but selling somewhere between 84-98 roughly.. making ~150% profit selling 1-2, ~115% selling 3-5, ~105% selling 6-10 and less than 100% selling more than that.. |
| 07:48.25 | Azar | same with the spreadsheet cells only you name the cell addresses instead of their values |
| 07:49.09 | nvz | Azar: I want like 105% min on all that I am selling.. but that doesn't mean I am loosing out selling below 100% if I am selling more smaller qtys at higher prices |
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| 07:49.18 | Shifty | hey there |
| 07:50.23 | Azar | hmm then it goes like this: if you buy 1 item at $xx price and hope to sell it at $yy price how much % you profit? then apply to the desired qty |
| 07:50.51 | Shifty | has some 1 a idea why my debian installation wont go on? (it stops after i set the root and user pw) at the end of loading or downloading the install packets (netinstall) |
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| 07:51.11 | Shifty | on the system is already vista and xp (both works good) but i cant install debian :( |
| 07:51.16 | Shifty | without it worked! |
| 07:51.28 | Shifty | without (vista and xp ;D) |
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| 07:52.00 | nvz | Azar: what I am trying to get to now is a point where I can plug in projections of how many of which volumes I expect to sell and seeing how that effects my overall profit. i.e. with projections of 170% I can stand to lower prices if I only want 105% though I can't lower em so much that people will just go for the quantity and save money.. heh.. tricky game |
| 07:52.46 | nvz | you've got to maintain your curve or else it inverts |
| 07:52.50 | nvz | and you start losing money |
| 07:52.59 | Azar | nvz: put buy 2 and for onetime and half price |
| 07:53.00 | Azar | :) |
| 07:53.16 | Azar | Your price, not the price you purchased with |
| 07:54.21 | nvz | I'm more along the lines of get another free gift.. not what I am selling.. like how they give you a $19.95 cell phone booster for buying $200+ of computer parts.. completly unrelated gift |
| 07:54.35 | Azar | nvz: if you buy wholesale, and say from a direct supplier, you "must" buy it with discount |
| 07:54.39 | nvz | the gift of bogo offers comes in the form of qty discounts as it is |
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| 07:56.31 | nvz | I am buying like I said over 100 at $3.79/ea and selling between 84-98 at anywhere between $6.60-$10/ea depending on qty |
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| 07:57.10 | nvz | with current values but thats 74%-164% profits |
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| 07:57.29 | nvz | I only need like $105 profit |
| 07:58.28 | Azar | nvz: say you buy one item at discoutned price say $4.00, while the market value is $6.99. if you offer buy two pieces for the price of one+half your price being 5.50 + 2.75, you get 8.25 for two pieces you bought with 8.00. your profit is 0.25, but then again, you gain more orders since your price is lower than the market one |
| 07:58.58 | Azar | that's just an example |
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| 07:59.16 | Azar | buy low, sell lower than the market price, and make a profit |
| 07:59.51 | nvz | right but there is also a matter of supply and demand |
| 08:00.18 | Azar | demand for cheaper prices will allways be, I do not know about supply |
| 08:00.46 | Azar | you get a contract, locking in prices that favors you |
| 08:01.04 | Guerin | is this economics 101? |
| 08:01.10 | Azar | like buying stocks ( you stock a product at a wholesale price) |
| 08:01.14 | nvz | this is me going off to ponder this |
| 08:01.23 | Azar | Guerin, I was waiting for you with a question |
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| 08:01.51 | Guerin | everything you need to know about economics is contained in the law od supply and demand; the law of diminishing returns and the law of opportunity cost |
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| 08:02.09 | Guerin | all economics is essentially those three things plus buzzwords |
| 08:02.15 | Azar | I usually live in silence, rarely listen to music but tonight, Guerin I saw something on TV that stole my soul: ever heard of this John Mayer? |
| 08:02.23 | Guerin | (and mathematics if you get really far down the rabbit hole) |
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| 08:02.34 | Azar | Guerin: all is the rule of 3 simple made complicated |
| 08:02.38 | Guerin | Azar: oh yeah, john mayer can play guitar alright. |
| 08:02.55 | Azar | Guerin: so is good as I saw him tonight huh? |
| 08:03.28 | Guerin | yes, he's one of the few really good wite guitarists from that era |
| 08:03.33 | Guerin | white, I mean |
| 08:03.40 | Penix | buy Kevin Federline's album instead |
| 08:03.40 | Azar | man but he is so young! |
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| 08:03.46 | Penix | he's got kids, he needs your support! |
| 08:04.06 | Azar | Penix: I don't know how to torrent man... and heck is only $12.00 |
| 08:04.08 | Penix | great for a laugh too |
| 08:04.17 | Haru | does anyone know which file i can edit to add startup scripts on gnome login |
| 08:04.27 | Azar | no shit! cafuego? |
| 08:04.32 | Azar | what he did? |
| 08:04.39 | Penix | Haru: you mean, add something to your gnome session? |
| 08:04.50 | Haru | Penix, yes.. |
| 08:04.51 | Guerin | Azar: hm, actually, I'm thinking of a different guy |
| 08:05.05 | Penix | Haru: Desktop/System/Whatever->Preferences/Sessions |
| 08:05.07 | Azar | hmm ok I will show you the link |
| 08:05.07 | Haru | Penix, moreover i wanna do it over console.. manually |
| 08:05.12 | Haru | not the gui way :) |
| 08:05.14 | Penix | ah |
| 08:05.26 | Guerin | heh, cafuego k-lined |
| 08:05.28 | Guerin | priceless |
| 08:05.35 | Penix | might involve some gconf voodoo |
| 08:05.45 | Azar | LPcflnt 724 747)] [Act: 1,2] |
| 08:05.47 | Haru | indeed, cant figure where tho |
| 08:06.08 | Azar | Guerin http://www.johnmayer.com |
| 08:06.12 | Guerin | Azar: yes. |
| 08:06.27 | Azar | yeah, I wonder what cafuego did, K-line is a severe ban man |
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| 08:07.12 | Azar | yeah, Guerin, I was flipping channels bored tonight and saw a portion of his concert, never seen this guy before and it was like man.... really cool |
| 08:07.12 | Guerin | a mistake, clearly |
| 08:07.58 | SlimG2 | Guerin: When it comes to handling a guitar I recommend you "The John Butler Trio", have a listen |
| 08:08.08 | ma3x | why do i get these errors when i change my cpu speed |
| 08:08.09 | ma3x | powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xe 0xc, vid 0x2 0x6 |
| 08:08.09 | ma3x | powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x0, vid 0x6 0x12 |
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| 08:08.44 | Guerin | SlimG2: yeah, JBT is ok. Zebra is superb. The rest is a bit wack. But they're bloody good live, I'm told. |
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| 08:09.48 | Guerin | speaking of genius guitarists, that's an America line |
| 08:09.50 | Azar | cafuego: what up man? what you did? |
| 08:10.10 | Guerin | cafuego: you went and joined #b0tsEx again, dintcha? |
| 08:10.11 | SlimG2 | Guerin: I totaly agree, I just felt like I had to mention JBT since you might not have heard of it before |
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| 08:10.16 | Penix | Haru: have you already tried adding an entry for your script in .gnome2/session? |
| 08:10.19 | Azar | hehe |
| 08:10.34 | ma3x | Guerin, like what - guns n roses? |
| 08:10.36 | Azar | he is busy redcheecked fighting for his dignity now |
| 08:11.00 | Hider | Hey all, I have a question: How can I unzip a specific file a.dat from a tar.gz archive |
| 08:11.17 | Azar | man the only music I swallow is jazz and blues, good guitars |
| 08:11.18 | Guerin | ma3x: no geniusen there. |
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| 08:11.35 | ma3x | Guerin, name a few |
| 08:11.40 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 08:11.43 | Penix | john butler? bah! that hippy lives in a hippy town not far from where I am. looks like he needs a shower. |
| 08:11.53 | Guerin | Azar: R L Burnside. Get the `Mississippi Hill Country Blues' album. The guy's a machine. |
| 08:11.59 | Ace2016 | can someone help me with this compile error http://pastebin.com/m5e1d9a33 |
| 08:12.01 | Haru | Penix, i didnt have a .gnome2/session tho i'll try making it now |
| 08:12.04 | Azar | Guerin: I have it |
| 08:12.07 | Guerin | ma3x: a few what? Geniusen? I have. |
| 08:12.07 | CyberMad | do you know where is the best DNS server that i can use for free? i have many problem with my ISP DNS server |
| 08:12.07 | Azar | :) |
| 08:12.09 | Shifty | has some 1 a idea why my debian installation wont go on? (it stops after i set the root and user pw) at the end of loading or downloading the install packets (netinstall) |
| 08:12.12 | Penix | Haru: check out the gnome-session manpage if you haven't already |
| 08:12.13 | Shifty | on the system is already vista and xp (both works good) but i cant install debian :( |
| 08:12.22 | Shifty | without (vista and xp ;D) it worked :D |
| 08:12.25 | Hider | Hey all, I have a question: How can I unzip a specific file a.dat from a tar.gz archive |
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| 08:12.28 | Guerin | Azar: ah, 'tis a glorious thing. |
| 08:12.34 | Ace2016 | CyberMad: opendns |
| 08:12.52 | Guerin | Penix: probably does. But you know what? When he has one, there will be chicks queueing to share it with him. |
| 08:12.56 | Azar | Guerin: I got some collection here... but this Mayer is fresh blood, never heard of him but plays heavenly |
| 08:12.59 | Ace2016 | i use it so much i remember the ip addresses off by heart :( |
| 08:13.08 | Penix | Guerin: pfft |
| 08:13.12 | Azar | cafuego: what you dud? |
| 08:13.22 | cafuego | Just be glad I'm not in a bad mood |
| 08:13.29 | Azar | :) |
| 08:13.35 | Guerin | cafuego: impossible, mine is pure mush right now. |
| 08:14.11 | Penix | cafuego: how's it going with lca? stressing out yet? |
| 08:14.20 | cafuego | Penix: Nah |
| 08:14.37 | CyberMad | Ace2016 i mean IP of DNS Server that i can use for primary & secondary DNS |
| 08:14.49 | Penix | I should start organizing some transport actually. got a mate living in melbourne atm |
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| 08:14.57 | Guerin | CyberMad: granitecanyon.net |
| 08:15.02 | Guerin | or maybe .org, I forget |
| 08:15.17 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 08:15.33 | Guerin | Azar: Chris Smither? |
| 08:15.50 | Guerin | not quite in the `genius' category, but he's good |
| 08:16.07 | Ace2016 | 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 |
| 08:16.27 | Guerin | Azar: isn't he asking for a DNS *host*? |
| 08:16.31 | Guerin | argh |
| 08:16.35 | Guerin | Ace2016: ↑ |
| 08:16.48 | CyberMad | damn.. i can |
| 08:16.52 | CyberMad | thanks |
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| 08:17.59 | factor | does abiword have a server mode? |
| 08:18.20 | factor | say for converting files |
| 08:18.21 | Guerin | seems unlikely that a word processor should |
| 08:18.30 | Guerin | you mean a batch mode of some sort? |
| 08:18.35 | factor | yes |
| 08:18.53 | factor | just getting dled to my system |
| 08:19.07 | Guerin | tbh, I haven't used it |
| 08:19.14 | factor | k |
| 08:19.17 | Guerin | what are you wanting to convert? |
| 08:19.26 | factor | I need a web site odf maker |
| 08:19.37 | factor | I have a pdf maker but would like odf as well |
| 08:19.44 | Guerin | mm. that would be one hell of a cgi |
| 08:19.48 | factor | and abiword is suppose to have odf |
| 08:19.52 | CyberMad | Ace2016 thanks for DNS.. 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220, now i can do browsing.. btw where do you get it? |
| 08:20.18 | Guerin | CyberMad: for open dns servers, just try ns[123].someisp.com |
| 08:20.51 | Guerin | CyberMad: the canonical fallback servers are 4.2.2.[123456], but they're bloody slow |
| 08:21.59 | CyberMad | Guerin i don't understand.. do you mean opendns.com ?? |
| 08:22.15 | cydork | CyberMad: nope the one Ace2016 gave are from opendns.com |
| 08:22.29 | Ace2016 | http://www.opendns.com/ |
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| 08:22.49 | CyberMad | Ace2016 yes i already open it :) |
| 08:23.04 | Guerin | CyberMad: nope. All ISPs run nameservers. Most are public (will accept queries from any host). so try ns1.clear.net.nz; ns1.xtra.co.nz; ns1.bigpond.com.au; etc. |
| 08:23.08 | CyberMad | Guerin what do you mean with ns[123].someisp.com ?? |
| 08:23.53 | Guerin | CyberMad: [123] = 1 or 2 or 3; someisp is `pout the name of some local isp in here' |
| 08:23.53 | CyberMad | AFAIK, DNS must be set as an IP ?? |
| 08:23.58 | Guerin | yes, it must |
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| 08:24.40 | Guerin | so find the ip addresses of those servers using dig(1). As I said 4.2.2.[123456] are always usable (and rememberable). |
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| 08:24.49 | adhawkins | Hi all. I had to reboot a Debian machine last night for (I think) the first time since I upgraded to the latest stable. |
| 08:25.02 | adhawkins | It's no longer recognising both of my 8139too handled network cards (just the one) |
| 08:25.03 | Guerin | !qotd2 |
| 08:25.04 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 08:25.27 | adhawkins | If I boot to the 2.2 kernel on a Debian 3.0r1 CD, it sees both. If I boot to the 2.4 kernel on that CD it only sees one (I think that may have always been the case) |
| 08:25.28 | Guerin | adhawkins: weird. Only one? |
| 08:25.33 | Ace2016 | did you press ctrl+alt+delete in the terminal |
| 08:25.35 | adhawkins | lspci also only shows one of the cards |
| 08:25.38 | CyberMad | Guerin ahh.. ok i understand what you mean |
| 08:25.45 | adhawkins | Any ideas? |
| 08:25.53 | Guerin | adhawkins: that sounds like a dicky card, or a dicky bios, to me. |
| 08:26.05 | Guerin | if lspci doesn't show it there's a hardware problem in play |
| 08:26.10 | adhawkins | The PC was working absolutely fine for months until I had to shut it down yesterday. |
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| 08:26.22 | adhawkins | And the 2.2 kernel on the CD sees both. |
| 08:26.28 | CyberMad | Guerin so i can test to find out IP address of many ISP in my country by dig the ns[123].isp.com |
| 08:26.46 | CyberMad | sorry.. ;) need time to think |
| 08:26.53 | adhawkins | It's a 2.6.22 (I think) kernel |
| 08:27.01 | adhawkins | I tried several older kernels too with the same problem. |
| 08:27.40 | adhawkins | It's the onboard card on the motherboard that it isn't seeing. |
| 08:27.47 | adhawkins | The external one is being detected correctly. |
| 08:27.54 | adhawkins | During boot, the BIOS lists both cards. |
| 08:28.10 | adhawkins | I might try removing the external one, and see if it starts to detect just the internal one then. |
| 08:28.49 | adhawkins | If that works, I could try a different type of network card for the external one and see if it then detects both. |
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| 08:29.07 | adhawkins | What I think might have happened is that some module parameters for the 8139too module have been lost during the upgrade to the latest stable |
| 08:29.22 | adhawkins | But I had a quick check of the module source, and none of the available module parameters seemed familiar. |
| 08:29.37 | CyberMad | is it ok to use other ISP DNS without their permission? ;) |
| 08:29.40 | adhawkins | I thought it might need something like 'irq=11,10' to tell it to look for both, but there is no IRQ parameter. |
| 08:30.15 | Shifty | please... can some 1 help me? |
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| 08:31.15 | CyberMad | btw, what is different between opendns and isp dns server? does opendns is reliable? |
| 08:31.45 | factor | look slike python has some open document libs that will work |
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| 08:36.37 | adhawkins | Still there Guerin? |
| 08:36.47 | adhawkins | I tried resetting the PCI settings on the BIOS, but that didn't help either. |
| 08:36.59 | adhawkins | It's odd that the BIOS lists it, the 2.2 kernel sees it, but no the 2.6... |
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| 08:38.50 | amirf | hi guys, how can i change/add ip to eth0 ??? |
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| 08:39.15 | adhawkins | Look in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 08:39.16 | adhawkins | I think |
| 08:39.25 | adhawkins | The file is called interfaces, I think that's the correct location |
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| 08:42.52 | amirf | adhawkins: cant i doing with command and not by editing the configuration file ? |
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| 08:43.39 | amirf | adhawkins: kins: |
| 08:44.02 | adhawkins | Ah, in that case you just want to use ifconfig |
| 08:44.08 | adhawkins | However, that won't be persistent after a reboot |
| 08:44.12 | adhawkins | ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 |
| 08:44.40 | Supaplex | eth0:X |
| 08:45.00 | Supaplex | for ip alises =) |
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| 08:54.19 | graytron | hello. having problems with firefox. after removing xprint packages firefox takes ages to reopen the pring dialog. is there some way to make firefox update the list of available printers? |
| 08:54.28 | graytron | s/firefox/iceweasel/ |
| 08:54.34 | darthj | hi, if i use docbook2pdf no images are included in the pdf file? |
| 08:55.23 | tarzeau | graytron: which version of it? |
| 08:55.35 | graytron | tarzeau: the versions in etch |
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| 08:57.29 | puff | I'm using svn on a debian box. Is there a standard way to set up svn on debian for multi-user? |
| 08:57.38 | puff | Er, the svn repository. |
| 08:57.41 | graytron | tarzeau: iceweasel 2.0.0.6-0etch1 |
| 08:57.51 | adhawkins | I found a good web page to do that when I set up svn puff |
| 08:57.57 | puff | adhawkins: Yeah? |
| 08:58.03 | adhawkins | Let me see if I can find it again. |
| 08:58.11 | tarzeau | graytron: using CUPS? |
| 08:58.15 | graytron | tarzeau: yeps |
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| 08:59.14 | bloodandsoil | is there a open-source, free version of flash plugin? |
| 08:59.14 | adhawkins | How's this: |
| 08:59.14 | adhawkins | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn |
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| 09:00.27 | puff | bloodandsoil: No. |
| 09:00.51 | graytron | tarzeau: how do i remove printers (the right way) from firefox? it is trying to access Xprt i believe, which is not running |
| 09:01.05 | graytron | tarzeau: s/firefox/iceweasel/ |
| 09:01.08 | tarzeau | graytron: we're using cups broadcasting of printers |
| 09:01.10 | puff | bloodandsoil: Last I looked, macromedia had flash for linux, but it's at least a version behind. |
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| 09:01.37 | tarzeau | is someone able to build thunderbird-2.0.0.6-source.tar.bz2 on amd64/etch? |
| 09:01.49 | graytron | tarzeau: doesn't Xprt use CUPS and not vice versa? |
| 09:02.16 | tarzeau | graytron: i don't know |
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| 09:03.38 | graytron | i wish i didn't have to fight with every program |
| 09:03.55 | tarzeau | graytron: what other programs do you have issues with? |
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| 09:04.51 | bloodandsoil | I just installed gnash and when I go to view a youtube video my X session dies and is restarted and I end up at the login prompt. Is this a known bug? |
| 09:05.08 | Phlogi | it should be no problem to open a firefox with a X11 forwarded ssh session right? |
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| 09:05.13 | Phlogi | xclock works btw... |
| 09:05.41 | sep | Phlogi, as long as you dont have a local firefox running, |
| 09:06.03 | Phlogi | sep: good point.... But opera does not work tooo |
| 09:06.10 | Phlogi | *tooo->either |
| 09:06.29 | Phlogi | (firefox-bin:1491): Gdk-WARNING **: Connection to display localhost:11.0 appears to be untrusted. Pointer and keyboard grabs and inter-client communication may not work as expected. |
| 09:06.48 | Phlogi | for opera I get: |
| 09:06.48 | Phlogi | Xlib: extension "MIT-SHM" missing on display "localhost:11.0". |
| 09:06.48 | Phlogi | opera: X Shared memory extension is not available. ZPixmap not supported |
| 09:07.03 | Phlogi | X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 and Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display "localhost:11.0". |
| 09:07.25 | bloodandsoil | Anyone got gnash working? |
| 09:07.32 | L0cKn | Firefox = gravity |
| 09:07.33 | L0cKn | -_- |
| 09:08.04 | graytron | tarzeau: debian installer / grub didn't write an appropriate device.map file and/or menu.lst file, so my system was left in an unbootable stage after etch installation, figuring out how to fix it took me some time although im not a total newbie. smartmontools doesn't work with my Samsung SpinPoint SP1614C drives connected to a 3ware raid controller... etc. |
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| 09:09.02 | tarzeau | graytron: aha. i also have a 3ware raid controller, there it just worked: |
| 09:09.24 | graytron | tarzeau: with Samsung SpinPoint SP1614C disks? |
| 09:09.24 | tarzeau | graytron: 00:09.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 9xxx-series SATA-RAID . which is yours? |
| 09:09.46 | graytron | tarzeau: 02:0a.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 9xxx-series SATA-RAID |
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| 09:10.48 | tarzeau | graytron: how can i check of who the disks are, if it's far away? |
| 09:11.01 | graytron | tarzeau: maybe hdparm |
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| 09:11.47 | tarzeau | graytron: nope, neither tells sdparm, all i get is this: /dev/sda 749.9 GB |
| 09:12.01 | L0cKn | 749gb? |
| 09:12.05 | tarzeau | graytron: /dev/sda: 3ware Logical Disk 00 1.00 |
| 09:12.08 | L0cKn | ._____. |
| 09:12.11 | tarzeau | L0cKn: yes, several disks together |
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| 09:13.26 | graytron | tarzeau: tarzeau interesting |
| 09:14.06 | graytron | tarzeau: syslog / dmesg :) |
| 09:14.31 | tarzeau | graytron: neither |
| 09:14.32 | cmanns | Can I run all cronjobs at once like as a test? |
| 09:14.33 | bloodandsoil | how do you find out why a package version is not in testing yet? |
| 09:14.55 | tarzeau | bloodandsoil: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/pkgstats/ |
| 09:15.46 | bloodandsoil | uh |
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| 09:16.13 | cydork | bloodandsoil: or you can just ask dpkg. check /msg dpkg why <package-name> is not in testing |
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| 09:16.28 | Tony[] | hi .... can someone take a look at and possibly help me out with this question please: http://pastebin.com/m26fca856 |
| 09:16.38 | themill | bloodandsoil: which package? |
| 09:17.12 | cmanns | alright then does anyone know where the crontab file is stored? |
| 09:17.37 | bloodandsoil | themill: gnash. the version in testing right now is old. |
| 09:18.43 | alex__ | how can i defrag my ext3 partition? |
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| 09:19.07 | Tony[] | alex__: you don't need to .. it's not windows |
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| 09:19.23 | cab_ | defrag in linux ?? |
| 09:19.40 | Tony[] | you don't need to clean the registry either ;) |
| 09:19.41 | alex__ | so, explain to me how ext3 manages to keep files in a nice tidy order |
| 09:19.43 | alex__ | for example |
| 09:19.50 | alex__ | a 200 meg file expands to 400megs |
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| 09:19.58 | alex__ | how does that not become fragmentated |
| 09:20.11 | Tony[] | alex__: filesystem theory is something you need to read up on .... journaled filesystems in particular |
| 09:20.35 | alex__ | so you cant explain it either? |
| 09:20.38 | idimmu_ | iir the theory is as its a multiuser system the disk goes crazy anyway |
| 09:20.42 | idimmu_ | seeking all over the place |
| 09:20.50 | idimmu_ | so it doesnt matter if a file is fragmented or not |
| 09:20.56 | Tony[] | alex__: can you explain the theory of relativity please?? |
| 09:21.04 | alex__ | sure |
| 09:21.05 | Tony[] | or perhaps fermats theorum |
| 09:21.09 | alex__ | do you have a few hours? |
| 09:21.23 | Tony[] | alex__: no ... which is why you need to do some reading |
| 09:21.37 | Tony[] | alex__: ext3 get "less" fragmented |
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| 09:22.00 | Trewas | alex__: ext3 can't really avoid fragmentation, but it generally manages to do a decent job avoiding it unless the disk is always nearly full |
| 09:22.00 | idimmu_ | you know that journaling has nothing to do with fragmenting right? |
| 09:22.01 | Tony[] | but fragmentaton creates far less of a performance hit than it does in fat32 for instance |
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| 09:22.06 | alex__ | .. i can explain to you the theory of relativity .... |
| 09:22.11 | RvGaTe^work | alex__, http://dataexpedition.com/~sbnoble/Tips/filesystems.html read all about it |
| 09:22.21 | alex__ | thanks for the link rvalles |
| 09:22.25 | alex__ | RvGaTe^work, rather |
| 09:24.35 | Tony[] | does anyone have an idea bout my issue at all ??? http://pastebin.com/m26fca856 |
| 09:24.44 | petemc | Tony[]: using a debian kernel |
| 09:24.45 | petemc | ? |
| 09:24.47 | alex__ | hopefully this answers my question on how journalling magiclly ensures that big files amongt small ones wont be fragmentated |
| 09:25.12 | Tony[] | petemc: it's home rolled.... I'm using an etch kernel as a rescue kernel |
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| 09:25.36 | petemc | Tony[]: does a debian kernel work#? |
| 09:25.38 | idimmu_ | journalling doesnt have anything to do with fragmentation |
| 09:25.41 | Tony[] | petemc: but .. the kernel that is broken was "known working" |
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| 09:26.16 | alex__ | ummmm |
| 09:26.34 | idimmu_ | its for file recovery on systems failure |
| 09:26.56 | alex__ | RvGaTe^work, this link isnt very good, it explains why in 4 paragraphs windows is shit, but only 1 paragraph on how journalling does it by taking the disk geometery into account |
| 09:27.15 | alex__ | RvGaTe^work, ahh lemme continuing reading |
| 09:27.17 | alex__ | i jumped the gun |
| 09:27.19 | Tony[] | petemc: the debian kernel I'm using for rescue doesn't have iptables compiled in so it's a suboptimal permanent replacement |
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| 09:29.05 | petemc | Tony[]: debian kernel do have iptables, that must be an install kernel |
| 09:29.41 | alex__ | RvGaTe^work, well that sort of explains some stuff, but not in full why journalling works in full |
| 09:29.56 | alex__ | only that it somehow takes disk geometery into account on where to store its files |
| 09:32.36 | Tony[] | petemc: can you recommend a recent deb etch kernel that I could use to test that has iptables (preferably with no initrd for simplicity) |
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| 09:32.49 | Guerin | alex__: if you want to know how journalling works in full, enrol in computer science classes |
| 09:32.50 | petemc | Tony[]: all debian kernels use initrds |
| 09:32.58 | Tony[] | ok... so be it |
| 09:33.17 | petemc | just install the latest one available, 2.6.18-5, i think |
| 09:33.18 | Guerin | Tony[]: all debian kernels have iptables in. use the default. |
| 09:33.23 | Tony[] | ok |
| 09:33.28 | Trewas | alex__: journaling and file fragmentation are completely orthogonal, and I very much doubt if current filesystems even bother to try taking disk geometry into account |
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| 09:33.56 | Haris | Hello people |
| 09:34.29 | Guerin | `people' is a strong word |
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| 09:38.41 | Haris | Guerin: I can't find an appropriate word, on which no one would get offended. Any ideas? |
| 09:38.50 | Haris | Where does debian keep the list of URLs to update from? |
| 09:39.10 | Guerin | Haris: `Hash Dweebians' is the preferred nomenclature. |
| 09:39.20 | Guerin | Haris: what is this `list of URLs' to which you refer? |
| 09:39.20 | Chops` | Hi, I've just taken over administration of a Debian server, and its in a huge mess. The main problem right now is that Dovecot, Postfix, and Sendmail are all installed, but nothing is working. How do I completely remove them including config files and start again? |
| 09:39.31 | Haris | Guerin: sarge, stable |
| 09:40.08 | Haris | Guerin: which apt-get update uses |
| 09:40.14 | Guerin | Haris: do you want `man sources.list'? |
| 09:40.17 | ringo9991 | what is a good multprotocol chat client for debian (i.e. yahoo, msn etc..) |
| 09:40.17 | Guerin | i think you do |
| 09:40.20 | Haris | yes!~ |
| 09:40.22 | Haris | sources |
| 09:40.27 | Coweater | !tell Chops` about purge |
| 09:40.33 | graytron | tarzeau: smartctl -a -d 3ware,0 /dev/twa0 etc. |
| 09:40.43 | Chops` | cheers Coweater |
| 09:40.44 | Guerin | ringo9991: use your irc client. /connect im.bitlbee.org. follow instructions. For great justice. |
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| 09:43.04 | Chops` | also what configuration do you recommend for setting up a mail relay (so mail sent to *@mydomain is forwarded to x@y.z) and allowing php etc to send mail? |
| 09:43.14 | Chops` | postfix and sendmail? |
| 09:43.41 | Guerin | Chops`: postfix does this quite trivially |
| 09:43.57 | Chops` | trivially? |
| 09:43.59 | ringo9991 | Guerin: thx, great! |
| 09:44.20 | Guerin | Chops`: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks |
| 09:44.35 | Guerin | \(presuming mynetworks is defined to include localhost |
| 09:44.44 | Guerin | ringo9991: :) |
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| 09:45.26 | Chops` | postfix configuration always seems so complicated :( |
| 09:45.27 | l3mr | i try to restart a service on a remote machine: ssh user@machine sudo -S /etc/init.d/my_service restart - now the problem is that i have to enter the pw 2 times, first for ssh, then for sudo - and when i enter the password the second time, it actually echos it on screen. is there any way to turn this off? |
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| 09:47.14 | tarzeau | graytron: Hitachi Deskstar 7K250 series |
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| 09:48.27 | graytron | tarzeau: yeah. my problem is disk related |
| 09:50.12 | amirf | hi, how can i force rmdir even when the folder is full |
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| 09:50.47 | themill | amirf: rm -rf |
| 09:50.49 | outlaw84 | Is it posible for windows to connect to a NFS share? perhaps even mount it locally? |
| 09:51.04 | Ronin | amirf: just make sure you want the directory to delete |
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| 09:54.18 | Haris | Hello people |
| 09:54.44 | Haris | Is there a tool in the packages archive that can monitor the hard disk for modified files? |
| 09:55.27 | Haris | Email a report to admin for all modified file with info on which uid did it, what and when they changed the file? |
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| 09:57.37 | alex__ | Haris, do a perl script for that |
| 09:58.47 | petemc | why? when there would be lots of solutions ready made |
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| 09:59.10 | Haris | petemc: Name them |
| 09:59.28 | petemc | i dont much like your attitude, Haris |
| 09:59.30 | petemc | so, no |
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| 10:02.06 | Haris | What's wrong with my attitude? |
| 10:02.26 | petemc | stinks |
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| 10:02.44 | Haris | This is the classic situation in a US made movie |
| 10:02.58 | Haris | 'You wanna take a punch at me. Common ... take your best shot' |
| 10:03.04 | petemc | im irish |
| 10:03.04 | Haris | This is the time I say ^^^ |
| 10:03.20 | Haris | I don't understand your problem with me |
| 10:03.23 | SlayerXP | petemc: Begorrah. |
| 10:03.25 | Haris | You have a problem with me |
| 10:03.27 | Haris | Come out with it |
| 10:03.41 | SlayerXP | haris: oddly enough, we're not required to answer your questions. |
| 10:04.00 | Haris | SlayerXP: I do understand that. |
| 10:04.02 | petemc | Haris: i dont really know you, other than the limited times ive spoken to you in #exim |
| 10:04.31 | SlayerXP | petemc: reminds me, did you notice the unthinkable happening yesterday? |
| 10:04.55 | petemc | SlayerXP: i noticed your mails to mr perkel |
| 10:05.13 | petemc | you're always the first to reply to his mails... |
| 10:05.18 | SlayerXP | petemc: not that, the bit where perkel posted something useful. |
| 10:05.23 | petemc | ah, yeah |
| 10:05.30 | Haris | You can have a poke at me whenever you want to. I'm open to and can take criticism |
| 10:05.38 | petemc | since everyone got on his case, he's calmed down a bit |
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| 10:07.03 | Haris | I forgot the name of an app that ran through xinetd on a rhel ws3 box I rebuild with etch yesterday |
| 10:07.08 | Haris | forgot to note its name |
| 10:07.44 | lingua_franca | hay guys i downloaded slackware 12.. should i instal it? |
| 10:08.08 | spaden | mhm |
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| 10:08.32 | popt | how can I stop entrustmanager service |
| 10:08.54 | Guerin | lingua_franca: no. |
| 10:09.04 | popt | why |
| 10:09.10 | popt | slack is super |
| 10:09.13 | Guerin | lingua_franca: do you represent the department of stupid questions? |
| 10:09.23 | Guerin | slack is for people who like |
| 10:09.24 | Tommy | Hello, im thinking of trying the liveCD of lenny. Does this livecd work? and does lenny have any major bugs, or is it relativly stable? |
| 10:09.27 | Guerin | slack is for people who like work |
| 10:09.34 | Guerin | debian is for people who like not work |
| 10:09.50 | lingua_franca | oops this is #debian |
| 10:09.52 | Guerin | Tommy: the livecd isn't official. I've never used it. I presume it works :) |
| 10:09.58 | lingua_franca | I thought I was asking the question in #slackware lol |
| 10:10.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:10.11 | popt | Guerin> slack is for people who like build .. |
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| 10:10.23 | Guerin | popt: yes, who like making work for themselves |
| 10:10.26 | Tommy | Guerin: it isnt official! but it is made by debian devs right? |
| 10:10.47 | Guerin | Tommy: yes, i believe it is. It will probably become official eventually, but it's not yet. |
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| 10:11.10 | popt | how can I stop entrustmanager service? anyone know |
| 10:11.32 | Tommy | Guerin: thats what i thought, thats why i was wondering if it works - debian wouldnt make it puplic if it didnt work |
| 10:11.47 | popt | not catch --> what will become official? |
| 10:11.51 | dhe-` | hi, i want to add a line into a textfile if this line doesnt already exists in it. How can i do this with bash if construction? |
| 10:11.52 | lingua_franca | popt, I am gessing "killall -9 entrustmanager" |
| 10:12.36 | popt | no, I want to prevent this service running on boot , anyone know? |
| 10:12.37 | lingua_franca | dhe-`, will you addthe line right at the end of the file? |
| 10:12.42 | dhe-` | yes |
| 10:13.11 | lingua_franca | dhe-`, you can do it with grep and pipe it like this: grep "your line" file | echo "your line" >> file |
| 10:13.13 | popt | <Guerin> slack is for people who like work |
| 10:13.13 | popt | <Guerin> debian is for people who like not work |
| 10:13.23 | popt | I am both, as you said |
| 10:13.36 | popt | miss your 2nd line |
| 10:13.36 | lingua_franca | dhe-`, but you must play with the succesful and not successful returns on grep, so the pipe should either do it or not |
| 10:13.57 | themill | lingua_franca: that pipe won't work. |
| 10:14.07 | popt | entrustmanager 709/tcp # EntrustManager NorTel DES auth network |
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| 10:14.16 | dhe-` | lingua_franca: yes but this doesnt work actually |
| 10:14.25 | popt | which script to run and stop that? |
| 10:14.30 | lingua_franca | themill, he wants to check if the line is in the file, if not append it to it.. so I am giving him a general idea he can play on |
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| 10:14.52 | themill | lingua_franca: no you're not; pipe's don't work in that way. |
| 10:15.33 | themill | dhe-`: grep -q "your line" file && echo "your line" >> file |
| 10:15.42 | lingua_franca | right, you need && |
| 10:15.46 | lingua_franca | bravo TheMagician |
| 10:15.52 | lingua_franca | bravo themill |
| 10:16.04 | lingua_franca | themill, I am a little bit rusty, havent used unix in years |
| 10:16.13 | themill | :) |
| 10:16.20 | lingua_franca | :D |
| 10:17.12 | themill | lingua_franca: the -q is nice in there two as it prevents noise from grep in the output |
| 10:17.26 | lingua_franca | themill, yes good thought |
| 10:18.30 | popt | which dpkg args to show a package breif discription, perterS told me last month |
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| 10:18.36 | popt | I forgot |
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| 10:21.11 | SlayerXP | popt: apt-cache show <package> |
| 10:21.20 | DawnLight | i've just gotten a kernel panic, whatever that is, during the boot of etch netinst on a pentium ii |
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| 10:21.44 | asmeran | SlayerXP: it's for apt, but popt asks for dpkg |
| 10:21.50 | SlayerXP | DawnLight: did you use the i386 iso? |
| 10:21.53 | Tommy | kernel panic = no good |
| 10:22.03 | DawnLight | SlayerXP: sure thing |
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| 10:22.14 | lingua_franca | when my kernel panics I slap him and he relaxes |
| 10:22.40 | popt | yes, it is, thx |
| 10:22.43 | SlayerXP | DawnLight: you sure it's i386? |
| 10:23.41 | DawnLight | debian-20r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:23.52 | DawnLight | 40r1 |
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| 10:24.13 | SlayerXP | DawnLight: hmmm, that _should_ work on a p2. |
| 10:24.26 | SlayerXP | you sure it's the processor that's the problem? |
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| 10:24.36 | SlayerXP | ahh, you're not sure. |
| 10:24.42 | DawnLight | i'll try pulling out the ethernet card |
| 10:24.58 | roxy_ | I have a directory foo owned by roxy.roxy . I can see that using ls. When root, I mount the dir using sshfs. As root ls shows foo belonging to roxy.roxy and "ls foo" shows what is inside. But as roxy, ls show foo as "? ?? ?" and "ls foo" is denied. |
| 10:25.03 | roxy_ | what can I do? |
| 10:25.10 | DawnLight | also, theres a bios update for that board |
| 10:25.13 | SlayerXP | DawnLight: the kernel panic will give you a bit of info as yo what the problem is |
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| 10:27.41 | DawnLight | pulling out the ethernet card didn't work. its the same kernel panic. i'll try updating the bios |
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| 10:28.16 | lingua_franca | *psst DawnLight, get slackware* |
| 10:28.36 | asmeran | ыыыы |
| 10:29.11 | lingua_franca | lol |
| 10:29.22 | asmeran | very |
| 10:29.31 | DawnLight | lingua_franca: you'll get us both in trouble |
| 10:29.37 | lingua_franca | lol :) |
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| 10:30.13 | asmeran | DawnLight: get gentoo and take it easy :D |
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| 10:30.32 | DawnLight | no way. i want my debian! |
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| 10:30.49 | lingua_franca | debian is too complicated.. |
| 10:31.05 | popt | about entrustmanager, who know which sh script in /etc run this service? |
| 10:31.12 | asmeran | DawnLight: but debian don't want you |
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| 10:31.52 | DawnLight | i've seen several cases where bios updates solved kernel problems |
| 10:32.38 | popt | or can I use ps command to know which program is running on specific port ?? |
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| 10:33.04 | asmeran | popt: use netstat |
| 10:33.12 | beardy_ | !wiui popt |
| 10:33.12 | dpkg | popt: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 10:33.34 | popt | wiui? |
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| 10:34.05 | asmeran | popt: or use lsof like dpkg syas you |
| 10:34.09 | beardy_ | popt: What Is Using It |
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| 10:34.30 | popt | I never ask dpkg bot about 'umount ...' what??? |
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| 10:34.58 | popt | oh |
| 10:35.01 | beardy_ | Right. Minimal intelligence and/or reading skill required. |
| 10:35.16 | aspWork | has anybody installed the uploadprogress php patch under debian, if so, what is the suggested way to go about it? |
| 10:35.35 | popt | hahaaa... wiui is kind of reading skills? |
| 10:35.45 | popt | for you native speaker |
| 10:35.57 | asmeran | popt: and you? |
| 10:36.08 | popt | are not |
| 10:36.57 | asmeran | popt: so, what are you doing here? go home and RTFM |
| 10:37.37 | popt | be kind and polite, in irc:) |
| 10:38.15 | asmeran | popt: okay |
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| 10:44.31 | popt | beardy_, which term you just sent to dpkg to get man info |
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| 10:44.53 | popt | I mean this message: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
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| 10:45.28 | dacs | hi, how can i use get to download and install joomla |
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| 10:46.01 | beardy_ | popt: No, " a port, and so on," is related to reading. |
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| 10:47.11 | ivh | hi, how can I gelt hold of an earlier version of a package that has vanished from the pool? |
| 10:47.36 | ivh | to be precise, I would need libx11-6_1.0.3-6_i386.deb |
| 10:47.39 | popt | Im unsure how to detect which program running a service on a port(eg 1000) |
| 10:47.50 | cydork | dacs: joomla is not packaged in debian, i am afraid you will have to follow the directions on joomla site. |
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| 10:48.17 | popt | so how to make that dpkg message pop up |
| 10:48.18 | popt | When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof |
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| 10:48.43 | petemc | popt: /msg dpkg foo |
| 10:48.50 | dacs | cydork: i can't seem to find anything about downloading and installing joomla in debian, maybe am looking inthe wrong place can you guide me |
| 10:48.56 | DawnLight | damn. freedos won't boot so i can't update the bios! |
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| 10:49.13 | popt | petemc, I know |
| 10:49.18 | popt | I meant the term |
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| 10:49.31 | popt | the keyword pass to dpkg to get that |
| 10:49.41 | cydork | dacs: get the tarball from joomla.org and follow the instructions ? |
| 10:49.43 | petemc | wiui |
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| 10:49.59 | popt | "/msg dpkg foo" |
| 10:50.09 | popt | "/msg dpkg <what?>" |
| 10:50.13 | petemc | wiui me |
| 10:50.26 | asmeran | popt: try to use nmap on localhost |
| 10:50.31 | popt | did |
| 10:50.32 | petemc | you should learn how to use scrollback |
| 10:50.35 | cydork | ivh: you can try snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:50.41 | popt | it only show service name |
| 10:50.48 | popt | entrustmanager |
| 10:51.02 | popt | don't know which pro.. run it |
| 10:51.20 | popt | have asked perteS, forgot now( |
| 10:51.21 | dacs | cydork: what is tarball please? |
| 10:51.23 | popt | :( |
| 10:51.33 | ivh | cydork: thx. I'll try. |
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| 10:51.45 | creole | some smart guy removed apt |
| 10:51.57 | creole | now, what do I have to do to reinstall it? |
| 10:52.06 | creole | boot with a livecd, chroot and apt-get install apt ? |
| 10:52.19 | SlayerXP | creole: no, the first thing you need to do it hide the body. |
| 10:52.46 | creole | SlayerXP: of the killed smart guy or of the debian box? |
| 10:52.47 | cydork | dacs: go to joomla.org, look for download options. and follow the instructions on that site. I don't think i can tell you more than that. |
| 10:52.49 | popt | gottago |
| 10:52.51 | asmeran | creole: get the source package for apt and build it |
| 10:52.54 | dacs | creole: 1st thing 1st , go kick his ass |
| 10:53.02 | creole | asmeran: mmh ok |
| 10:53.19 | SlayerXP | creole: be honest, by some smart guy, you do in fact mean you, don't you. |
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| 10:53.39 | dacs | SlayerXP: lol |
| 10:53.42 | creole | SlayerXP: no, really - he is a "linux expert" |
| 10:53.53 | creole | SlayerXP: I am not that stupid, thanks |
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| 10:54.13 | creole | I am going to recompile the sources |
| 10:54.30 | SlayerXP | creole: why? |
| 10:54.32 | simonrvn | creole: wget apt .debs install via dpkg, simple |
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| 10:54.39 | SlayerXP | why not just download the apt .debs and install then? |
| 10:54.41 | SlayerXP | them |
| 10:54.48 | ivh | cydork: thx, found it there. great site :-) |
| 10:55.03 | asmeran | simonrvn: this way also true |
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| 10:55.24 | cydork | ivh: no problem :) |
| 10:55.33 | dacs | cydork: i swear ican't find it , do you have a link pleaseee |
| 10:55.54 | creole | simonrvn: ok |
| 10:56.01 | cydork | dacs: wtf? you cant find joomla.org? |
| 10:56.10 | creole | SlayerXP: sorry - dpkg is a better choice indeed :) |
| 10:56.18 | dacs | cydork: i can't find this tarball |
| 10:56.21 | creole | I have too much habit to gentoo :) |
| 10:56.41 | beardy_ | I doubt that explains that. |
| 10:57.02 | cydork | dacs: really if you don't know what tarball means, you should not be thinking about installing it. |
| 10:57.32 | dacs | cydork: you are the one who told me too, |
| 10:57.49 | dacs | i was asking if there is a tut for joomla in debian |
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| 10:58.19 | dacs | but anyways thank man , i will do some search and reading in the morning |
| 10:58.25 | creole | beardy_ sort of. |
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| 11:03.16 | [2]rati | how can I give passwod in commandline while generating CA certificate? |
| 11:03.25 | [2]rati | using openssl |
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| 11:04.09 | maestro4 | hello |
| 11:04.42 | maestro4 | can anybody tell me which kernel image should i take for the CPU "Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 185"? |
| 11:04.45 | predder` | I have an active raid5 array using md, 4 disks. If I add a new disk as a spare, will it sync with the array or wait for a failure before syncing? |
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| 11:05.19 | predder` | maestro4, I would recommend going with a 386 or 686 kernel myself unless you have a specific reason to go 64bit |
| 11:05.23 | ix | maestro4: amd64. |
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| 11:06.23 | appelza | if I invoke pppd using: "pppd file filename", will it still also read the /etc/ppp/options file? |
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| 11:07.05 | maestro4 | predder`: u mean the package is ok linux-image-2.6.18-5-686? |
| 11:09.16 | themill | I've been monkeying around with my network set up to use ipmasq rather than a crappy hand-crafted script to provide NAT for two network cards on the back of a gateway machine. I am now getting lots of spew in the kern.log for connections to ports 138 and 5353 (e.g. http://pastebin.ca/730581 ). DNS and SMB seem to be working ok though. Do I ignore them? turn them off? is it causing wider problems? |
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| 11:12.33 | predder` | maestro4, yes that would be fine |
| 11:13.28 | maestro4 | predder`: thanks, i will try this. |
| 11:13.44 | predder` | your processor *is* 64bit, however unless you have some specific need for a 64bit environment it's best to avoid it in my experience |
| 11:14.09 | predder` | if you did want to run a 64bit environment you would want the amd64 kernel as ix said |
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| 11:16.39 | maestro4 | predder`: there is already a 32 bit debian system installed. i have to make a kernel upgrade.. and i dont want to compile it myself.. i will give 686 kernel a try.. |
| 11:17.01 | RvGaTe^work | working at a windows based company... you'll get suprises everyday... today... they turned in a laptop and said... "hey, could you install linux with beryl on this thing plz?" :/ |
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| 11:17.45 | [1]rati | can any one help me with generating certificate with commandline using openssl? |
| 11:18.40 | niru | hi all |
| 11:18.50 | niru | I have issues with motion eye |
| 11:19.00 | niru | my sony laptop does not detect motion eye in debian |
| 11:19.05 | niru | whereas i |
| 11:19.16 | niru | whereas it detects motion eye in vista |
| 11:19.18 | stew | [1]rati: ask a more specific question |
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| 11:22.12 | fireba11 | [1]rati: there are an insane amount of how-tos out there already if you don't ahve specific needs you did not mention |
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| 11:22.34 | [1]rati | stew, I want to create CA certificate and I dont want to give anything after executing command. like it dont ask about password |
| 11:23.52 | [1]rati | This is my command I give to generate CA certificate but it ask me to enter Passphrase which I dont want to enter after that from shell |
| 11:23.53 | [1]rati | openssl req -batch -new -x509 -extensions v3_ca -days 3650 -config /var/ibox/files/openssl.cnf -newkey rsa:512 -passin pass:CA -subj '/C=IN/ST=gj/L=ahd/O=ss/OU=em/CN=cn/emailAddress=a@b.c' -keyout private/cakey.pem -out cacert.pem |
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| 11:24.59 | [1]rati | here i have given passin pass:pasword but still it ask me to enter password |
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| 11:26.02 | abrotman | [1]rati: this is covered in the openssl FAQ |
| 11:26.29 | abrotman | (and probably about a thousand other places you can find via google) |
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| 11:28.26 | [1]rati | abrotman, I have seen FAQ but in that they havent given that |
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| 11:29.32 | stew | [1]rati: so you don't want it to be password protected? or you want it to be password protected but you don't want it to prompt you when creating it? |
| 11:30.49 | [1]rati | Yes I dont want it to prompt me to enter password when creating it |
| 11:31.49 | stew | [1]rati: change passin to passout, i think |
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| 11:34.13 | [1]rati | stew, it works it doesnt prompt me for password, but can certificate contains that password? |
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| 11:36.16 | user_ | how do i get a rt61 module installed please? |
| 11:36.44 | stew | [1]rati: i'm not sure i understand what you are asking. the key is not encrypted, and when you look at it, should have ENCRYPTED in the header. the crt is not encrypted, and shouldn't be, and you certinaly wouldn't want the certificate to contain the password |
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| 11:39.23 | [1]rati | stew, I want that certificate key has password. but I have created that crl certificate and than it ask me that password. so that means certificate contains that passphrase. |
| 11:39.31 | [1]rati | Thanks a lot stew |
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| 11:47.09 | abrotman | stew: but the cow spoons the frog with cheese, my lord of luxembourg |
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| 11:58.15 | Krittick[a] | Hello. I'm trying to compile something but it says I'm missing Qt. How can I install Qt? |
| 11:58.29 | Daveman | heh |
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| 12:00.36 | themill | Krittick[a]: try installing libqt3-mt-dev |
| 12:00.55 | themill | Krittick[a]: that's the package that is often required; others might be required too, though. |
| 12:01.07 | Krittick[a] | will do |
| 12:03.05 | Krittick[a] | okay, now it's saying that the KDE headers aren't installed |
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| 12:04.22 | themill | Krittick[a]: is a specific file mentioned? that makes it much easier |
| 12:04.28 | stew | Krittick[a]: what are you trying to compile? |
| 12:04.35 | Krittick[a] | a theme for KDE |
| 12:05.00 | Krittick[a] | it gives me: |
| 12:05.01 | Krittick[a] | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE |
| 12:05.01 | Krittick[a] | headers installed. This will fail. |
| 12:05.01 | Krittick[a] | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
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| 12:05.08 | Krittick[a] | whoops, sorry |
| 12:05.18 | Krittick[a] | didn't realize that was 3 lines |
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| 12:06.56 | themill | Krittick[a]: I don't know what the -dev packages are for kde, but you could try grabbing the build-deps of a theme that's already packaged in kde as that will probably cover it. |
| 12:07.20 | Krittick[a] | hrm, will try that |
| 12:07.27 | Krittick[a] | if not, I'll grab kdebase-dev |
| 12:07.30 | themill | Krittick[a]: or try apt-cache search kde |grep dev |
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| 12:08.35 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde |
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| 12:09.11 | monkeyBox | How do I make bash expand environment variables on tab-complete? |
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| 12:10.06 | themill | if you "source /etc/bash_completion" that will be enough |
| 12:10.24 | monkeyBox | for example, I have several environment variables as shortcuts to often-used dirs, and when used gentoo I could type the variable + tab to expand the whole dir... |
| 12:10.37 | monkeyBox | themill, that's sourced in my .bashrc already though |
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| 12:11.00 | themill | monkeyBox: that's all that's needed. |
| 12:11.21 | DawnLight | i want to update a bios to the latest version in the hope that it will fix a kernel panic at boot that is constantly happening. freedos won't boot and some other linuxes won't boot, also. i want to try the ms-dos floppy that windows creates but i don't have any windows. how can i get hold of one of these? any other suggestions would be nice |
| 12:11.27 | monkeyBox | themill, doesn't seem to work for me.. it's just escaping the dollar-sign when I hit tab |
| 12:12.21 | abrotman | DawnLight: ask #hardware if there's another option |
| 12:12.53 | themill | monkeyBox: hmm... it does work for me :( Try sourcing it again in your interactive shell in case you've fubar'd it or it wasn't actually sourced for some reason. (Are other things being set up properly in your .bashrc?) |
| 12:12.54 | DawnLight | will do abrotman |
| 12:13.00 | et | monkeyBox: du you want it to expand the var or complete it? |
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| 12:13.17 | monkeyBox | et, well, both actually |
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| 12:13.47 | et | mh. zsh does that, don't know about bash |
| 12:14.15 | monkeyBox | so if I have a var called (for example) SRC=/usr/local/src, and I started typing $SR + tab, it would complete, and another tab would expand |
| 12:14.27 | monkeyBox | I remember that being the behavior in gentoo... |
| 12:14.44 | amirf | Hi, how can i clean the history of the "history" command ? 10x. |
| 12:14.48 | themill | monkeyBox: is your shell sh or bash? That exact behaviour is working for me using bash under debian using /etc/bash_completion ... |
| 12:15.11 | et | monkeyBox: why don't you use named directories, btw? |
| 12:15.32 | et | *scratches head* |
| 12:15.32 | themill | amirf: history -c |
| 12:15.42 | amirf | themill: 10x. |
| 12:15.50 | et | mh, maybe that's zsh too. sorry, i'm confused :/ |
| 12:16.03 | themill | amirf: history is a bash builtin; help history |
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| 12:16.28 | monkeyBox | themill, using bash. guess there's something wrong. I'll confess though, I'm using ubuntu.. tried asking in that channel and no-one seemed to know what I was talking about :-p |
| 12:16.43 | monkeyBox | but I figured since it's basically debian it would be the same |
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| 12:17.14 | et | you'd be better off in #bash |
| 12:17.24 | monkeyBox | et, k, I'll try that :) |
| 12:17.41 | themill | monkeyBox: there's a reasonable chance that there's something different in ubuntu. There's a 150kB patch against the debian bash... |
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| 12:18.09 | monkeyBox | themill, that could be true.. |
| 12:18.48 | hatter_ | !keymap |
| 12:18.49 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
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| 12:20.47 | et | i heard that you should use xkbcomp instead of xmodmap, but i haven't found any good intros on it ... :/ |
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| 12:26.07 | amirf | hi, how can i see how much space do i have on my hd or in a folder ? |
| 12:26.30 | abrotman | df and du |
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| 12:31.36 | amirf | hi, how can i see how much space do i have on my hd or in a folder ? |
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| 12:32.33 | DawnLight | i have a floppy image file, something.img. how do i use dd to write it to a floppy? |
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| 12:34.00 | tarzeau | DawnLight: dd if=your.img of=/dev/floppy |
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| 12:34.14 | tarzeau | DawnLight: more like /dev/fd0 |
| 12:35.25 | DawnLight | well, it seems to be writing |
| 12:35.34 | blinx | how can I add a rss account in icedove? in the account add dialog is no option with rss... |
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| 12:37.11 | DawnLight | seems like it worked. thanks tarzeau! |
| 12:37.38 | tarzeau | DawnLight: yw |
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| 12:41.12 | yacc | Just wondering, does Debian provide a iceweasel (firefox) dev package? |
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| 12:43.06 | abrotman | mozilla-dev maybe ? |
| 12:43.53 | ukh | is there a sane way to get gnome-volume-manager or hal to *ignore* disks based on UUID and/or LABEL? |
| 12:45.16 | stew | ukh: i'm not sure, but probably via /etc/hal/fdi/policy |
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| 12:47.13 | ukh | stew: aha...a clue! thanks, I'll investigate. (spent way too much time already concluding that I can't do it via udev rules) |
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| 12:48.27 | YouBucky | Evening all, I'm trying to diagnose slow xferes between my Vista and Debian box. Xferes slow both direction using Samba or SCP. I currently can only test using Vista, anyone have any further idea how to diagnose the fault? |
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| 12:50.01 | mindmedic | YouBucky: are you using a mounted samba filesystem or gnome/kde vfs? |
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| 12:52.35 | YouBucky | mindmedic: My debian box has a software RAID5 setup (mounted - no gui) seperate to my OS on another HDD which I connect to using SMB from my Vista box. I have alo tried SCP using Veeam SCP |
| 12:53.03 | YouBucky | mindmec: thank you btw :) |
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| 12:53.32 | mindmedic | YouBucky: I experienced bad performance with VFS and using WinSCP. The best performance ~10,5 MB/sec on 100MBit I got mounting a windows share using cifs |
| 12:55.31 | YouBucky | mindmedic: Had a feeling that may be the suggestion :) I'll give it a go |
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| 12:56.19 | mindmedic | I haven't tried the other way around yet. I use the samba server on my box only for my virtual windows xp system. |
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| 12:56.55 | trifler | Hello. When you log on to a computor (ssh) you get a little message displaying some info kernel ver date time and so on. Where is this little text i want to edit it. |
| 12:56.57 | YouBucky | I see |
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| 12:57.13 | YouBucky | trifler: /etc/issue.net |
| 12:57.44 | ffm | I am trying to set up a user to run apt-mirror as a cron job so root dosnt have to do it. What files does apt-mirror need to be able to access |
| 12:57.46 | YouBucky | trifler: look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config for the banner section |
| 12:57.53 | trifler | YouBucky: Ty |
| 12:58.20 | abrotman | ffm: you could strace it to see |
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| 12:58.34 | Chops` | Hi I'm very stuck. How do I set up my box so all mail to *@domain.com is forwarded to an email address? And also allow php etc to send mail? |
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| 13:00.18 | sagi- | I have installed debian etch on a server. During the installation, there was a problem when downloading some package (it hanged - probably because of a slow net connection) and I killed aptitude manually. Now the server is installed but I'm missing many basic packages. Is there any way to reinstall all the base packages? |
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| 13:01.18 | sagi- | Basic packages such as ftp, finger, dnsutils. |
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| 13:01.48 | sagi- | The odd thing is that it says they were installed in /var/log/aptitude, but they aren't. |
| 13:02.05 | beardy_ | sagi-: Then you know what ti just reinstall then. |
| 13:02.08 | beardy_ | to |
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| 13:02.52 | fasta | How can I view xchm files that contain Windows specific fonts? |
| 13:03.03 | valdyn | sagi-: 'aptitude dist-upgrade' should get all base packages |
| 13:03.11 | valdyn | sagi-: that said not all you listed are base i think |
| 13:03.25 | sagi- | valdyn: it doesn't.. |
| 13:03.34 | valdyn | sagi-: so they're not required/base |
| 13:03.39 | fasta | xch, kchm and the gnome version don't do the right thing out the box. |
| 13:03.40 | valdyn | sagi-: just install what you need |
| 13:03.44 | fasta | xchm* |
| 13:03.53 | fasta | chm files* |
| 13:04.20 | sagi- | valdyn: but they are.. why else would they apper in the log/aptitude file? I didn't select any other package but the base one in the installation. |
| 13:04.57 | sagi- | and there are many other basic packages - less, telnet, etc |
| 13:05.00 | valdyn | sagi-: finger is a standard packages, its not base, its not required |
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| 13:05.10 | valdyn | sagi-: less is even less required |
| 13:05.19 | valdyn | sagi-: probably not even installed by default |
| 13:05.20 | beardy_ | sagi-: less isn't installed by default either |
| 13:05.29 | beardy_ | Though it should be. |
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| 13:05.30 | sagi- | so is there any virtual package that contains all these standard packages |
| 13:05.43 | valdyn | sagi-: we dont really know what you consider standard |
| 13:05.49 | beardy_ | sagi-: No, because it isn't "standard", install what you need, as said. |
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| 13:06.39 | valdyn | there's ways to install all packages with 'Priority: standard' |
| 13:06.43 | valdyn | but i don't know atm |
| 13:07.15 | stew | aptitude install '~pstandard' |
| 13:07.59 | sagi- | ok, i just ran the aptitude menu and it detected these packages automatically.. just re-running the install command did the trick. |
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| 13:09.01 | [1]rati | Hey I have generated that CA certificate with openssl, thanx stew. now when I try to create my host certificate than it doesnt as for passphrase? |
| 13:09.02 | sagi- | btw, is there any standard way to force the network interface to full-duplex mode? thats the reason i had a problem with the installation in the first place.. i solved it later by running ethtool. |
| 13:09.08 | Bleupomme | Hi, I made an apt-get upgrade | tee -a filename, but it seems to be stuck at the tee. What can I do to find out what is stuck |
| 13:09.10 | Bleupomme | ? |
| 13:09.16 | beardy_ | sagi-: Then you must have meant aptitude stopped, in some way for some reason when you were installing packaged you have selected yourself. |
| 13:09.22 | valdyn | sagi-: ethtool is a standard way |
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| 13:09.33 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:09.44 | valdyn | sagi-: you can integrate that into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:09.49 | [1]rati | I have also included passin pass:password but still it doesnt taking it. |
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| 13:09.53 | sagi- | valdyn: is there a standard way to execute it on startup.. like some switch in network/interfaces |
| 13:10.02 | sagi- | valdyn: i did, but manually, as a pre-up command |
| 13:10.08 | beardy_ | sagi-: man 5 interface, search pre-up |
| 13:10.08 | DexterF | noticed there's a postfix running here but I can't tell why. how do I check what possibly installed drew that as a dependency? |
| 13:10.13 | valdyn | sagi-: that's the way to do it |
| 13:10.16 | beardy_ | man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:10.28 | sagi- | thanks |
| 13:10.39 | slapfaceware | will backing up big size files be trouble for rsync? |
| 13:11.46 | slapfaceware | will rsync work well with big files backup? |
| 13:13.10 | stew | [1]rati: what command are you running? |
| 13:13.25 | beardy_ | slapfaceware: You should probably tell us how big the big files are, or can be. |
| 13:13.29 | CaT[tm] | slap: yeah. - you may or may not to use the -W flag depending on how many changes those files undergo between backups |
| 13:13.50 | slapfaceware | it's 2983693376 big |
| 13:13.53 | alex__ | okay guys !!! -> whats better for server performance? webhosting / Virtual machines , other stuff like that ->>>> Core™2Duo 2x1,8 GHz OR AM2-DC Opteron 1212 |
| 13:14.02 | alex__ | with 2gb ram |
| 13:14.44 | [1]rati | stew, openssl req -batch -config /var/ibox/files/openssl.cnf -nodes -days 365 -passin pass:localcert -newkey rsa:512 -keyout /var/ibox/demoCA/certs/localcert.key -out /var/ibox/demoCA/certs/localcert.pem -subj '/C=IN/ST=gj/L=ahd/O=ss/OU=em/CN=cn/emailAddress=a@b.c' |
| 13:14.53 | sagi- | beardy: and btw, aptitude did stop, but i didn't select these packages myself - they get selected automatically in any standard installation.. at least in all the ones that i've done. |
| 13:15.27 | [1]rati | I have tried with changing that passin to passout but still it doesnt take that? |
| 13:15.44 | beardy_ | slapfaceware: Seems some older versions, according to googling, had some problems. But you should already be aware of that, since you googled yourself. That size shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 13:16.35 | beardy_ | sagi-: Hmm, ok. |
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| 13:17.19 | beardy_ | sagi-: Maybe they get selected if you decide to let aptitude run while isntalling at all, if you don't, they wont be recommended to install, but I can't say for sure.. |
| 13:17.31 | beardy_ | That's one way to do it.. |
| 13:20.09 | stew | [1]rati: yes, it isn't prompting you for a pass becuase you are providing passin for the cakey, and you didn't tell it to encript the key it is creating |
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| 13:20.28 | stew | [1]rati: oh wait, i misread it |
| 13:20.31 | Netsnipe | is nvidiafb autoloading for anyone? |
| 13:20.42 | stew | [1]rati: its just not promting you for a key becuase you didnt' tell it to encrypt anything |
| 13:21.07 | abrotman | Netsnipe: tried to blacklist it? |
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| 13:21.27 | Netsnipe | abrotman: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist doesn't work |
| 13:21.32 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 13:21.32 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 13:21.43 | indu | hi |
| 13:21.52 | abrotman | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 13:21.52 | dpkg | well, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 13:22.03 | indu | i have a sony vaio laptop with motion eye, Ricoh web cam |
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| 13:22.09 | abrotman | Netsnipe: see above ? |
| 13:22.20 | indu | I installed the related drivers but still i am not able to get my webcam working |
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| 13:22.32 | indu | the command, xawtv,. throws an error message sayiung |
| 13:22.51 | abrotman | indu: wouldn't it be easier to ask as niru again ? |
| 13:22.52 | indu | v4l2: /dev/video0 no such file or directory |
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| 13:23.20 | indu | we both are working on the same issue |
| 13:23.20 | stew | indu: did you modprobe the drivers? |
| 13:23.21 | [1]rati | stew, how to tell it to encrypt that key? because after generating key and cert, when we sign that with CA than it ask for CA passphrase |
| 13:23.28 | Akira65 | Hi, i've a little problem with debian's cron. |
| 13:23.30 | indu | stew, yes |
| 13:23.31 | Akira65 | can you help me ? |
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| 13:23.48 | indu | stew, but when I execute modprobe v4l, or modprobe v4l2 |
| 13:24.00 | indu | i get an error saying NO Module Found |
| 13:24.09 | nkuttler | Akira65: just ask your question |
| 13:24.14 | abrotman | indu: which version of debian? |
| 13:24.24 | indu | where as my V.org.log file shows that v4l module loaded |
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| 13:24.44 | indu | abrotman, etcj |
| 13:24.48 | indu | abrotman, etch |
| 13:24.58 | Akira65 | nkuttler, with "* */6 * * * /etc/scripts/ipcheck", ipcheck is launched every minutes, not every "6 hours". It's normal ? |
| 13:25.21 | abrotman | Akira65: you hit the wrong asterisk |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 13:25.38 | stew | [1]rati: add -des3 |
| 13:25.39 | Akira65 | abchirk, it works only with minutes ? |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | no .. that should be right |
| 13:25.49 | Akira65 | abchirk, i cannot say "every six hours" for example ? |
| 13:25.54 | stew | indu: v4m and v4l2 are the modules which you just installed? |
| 13:25.54 | Akira65 | abrotman, ok |
| 13:26.00 | abrotman | Akira65: you could try 0,6,12,18 |
| 13:26.03 | [1]rati | stew, ok |
| 13:26.13 | indu | stew, i installed only videodev |
| 13:26.25 | indu | stew, nothing else i installed |
| 13:26.27 | Akira65 | abrotman, yes, i think it can work, but, why /NN don't work ?! |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | Akira65: seems like it should |
| 13:26.36 | Akira65 | abrotman, you have an idea ? |
| 13:26.37 | indu | stew, i installed only meye, sonypi modules |
| 13:26.47 | indu | stew, and modprobe on that works fine |
| 13:26.49 | Akira65 | abrotman, can you try in your box ? |
| 13:26.50 | stew | indu: and you loaded those with modprobe? |
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| 13:26.59 | indu | stew, yes |
| 13:27.07 | abrotman | Akira65: i'd rather not wait six horus :) |
| 13:27.24 | Akira65 | abrotman, :p |
| 13:27.34 | Akira65 | abrotman, you can see if it launched every minutes, like me |
| 13:27.37 | stew | indu: did anything interesting show up in dmesg when you modprobbed them? |
| 13:27.41 | stew | indu: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 13:27.53 | indu | 2.6.21-1-486 |
| 13:28.14 | abrotman | Akira65: try the other method |
| 13:28.36 | Akira65 | abrotman, i'm trying |
| 13:28.57 | indu | stew, nothing it shows i dmesg when modprobe is dont on v4l2 |
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| 13:30.27 | stew | indu: i didn't understand "modprobe is dont on v4l2" |
| 13:30.33 | [1]rati | stew, I have given command openssl req -batch -config /var/ibox/files/openssl.cnf -nodes -days 365 -des3 -passin pass:localcert -newkey rsa:512 -keyout /var/ibox/demoCA/certs/localcert.key -out /var/ibox/demoCA/certs/request.pem -subj '/C=IN/ST=gj/L=ahd/O=ss/OU=em/CN=cn/emailAddress=a@b.c' |
| 13:30.40 | Akira65 | abrotman, thanks for the help |
| 13:30.58 | [1]rati | than its giving me unknown option -des3 |
| 13:31.03 | smhar | hello again, I am back with my ati driver problem :-) I hope it will be solved today |
| 13:31.32 | [1]rati | I have tried to that with -md5 but it hasent used that passphrase? |
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| 13:32.27 | indu | stew, sorry, modprobe v4l2, execution doesn't show up anything in dmesg |
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| 13:32.44 | stew | [1]rati: then i must be misremembering. but you somehow need to tell it to encrypt, and i'm pretty sure you want it to encrypt with des3 |
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| 13:33.37 | [1]rati | stew, I have -[digest] Digest to sign with (md5, sha1, md2, mdc2, md4) line in help |
| 13:33.56 | [1]rati | so here it doesnt shows me des3 |
| 13:34.09 | stew | [1]rati: you don't want a digest |
| 13:34.26 | indu | stew, my webcam model is , having id 05ca:183a, and there are drivers available for other id. |
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| 13:34.34 | indu | stew, see here http://lsb.blogdns.net/ry5u870/ |
| 13:34.54 | indu | stew, I am not knowing how i can make it to work for my model, 05ca:183a |
| 13:35.26 | [1]rati | while generating CA it dosent ask for digest and include passphrase. but here it doesnt including passphrase? |
| 13:36.16 | stew | [1]rati: you can always encode it after the fact with enc, 'openssl enc --help' |
| 13:37.04 | stew | [1]rati: or openssl des3 --help |
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| 13:41.51 | themill | I'm trying to get X working on an Intel 965GM chipset. Under etch, I can't even get vesa working at the correct resolution for the laptop screen ("no mode of this name"). Any clues as to how to get this working? |
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| 13:42.36 | indraveni | stew, any ideas ? |
| 13:42.40 | smhar | dpkg make it sound very simple: just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
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| 13:43.56 | stew | indraveni: i'm trying to add custom commands to python's distutils, but i can't figure out why its seemingly ignoring my entrypoints |
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| 13:44.21 | indraveni | stew, i couldn't understand u |
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| 13:45.13 | stew | indraveni: did you have a specific question you wanted to ask? |
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| 13:45.23 | [1]rati | stew, I have make one key file with that earlier command. than I have run command openssl des3 -e -in certs/localcert.key -out certs/new.key -pass pass:localcert |
| 13:45.43 | indraveni | stew, how can i build drivers for my model of webcam 05ca:183a |
| 13:46.00 | indraveni | stew, its a Ricoh motioneye camera |
| 13:46.31 | [1]rati | than it doesnt give any error. but when I try to check that Is it contains password than its giving me error |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | why are there twelve people asking about the same webcam ? |
| 13:46.55 | RvGaTe^work | abrotman, clones ? |
| 13:47.48 | stew | indraveni: i don't know |
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| 13:53.13 | smhar | ok. I followed the fglrx one-liner and got this error in the log http://paste.debian.net/39207 |
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| 13:54.19 | [1]rati | stew If I have passphrase than it show mw somw text if I open that key file in vi editor. but here it doesnt show. |
| 13:54.48 | [1]rati | that des3 option will encrypt my key but doent set password |
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| 13:55.17 | stew | [1]rati: des3 encrypts your key with the password |
| 13:55.44 | stew | [1]rati: what do you mean by "but here it doesnt show" |
| 13:56.03 | g00se | What would slow response to scrolling be a symptom of on a Tosh Tecra 8000? |
| 13:56.12 | stew | [1]rati: des3 might be the wrong command, you should probably stop listening to me |
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| 13:57.00 | [1]rati | If it has passphrase that it shows me this line Proc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED |
| 13:57.00 | [1]rati | DEK-Info: DES-EDE3-CBC,CB90BC8FB3882467 |
| 13:57.36 | [1]rati | which is not in the key file of certificate I am generating |
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| 14:05.40 | dcnoye | when copying and pasting within vim is there a way to not get all the tabs ? |
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| 14:06.32 | Akira65 | dcnoye, disable syntax ? |
| 14:07.24 | dcnoye | Akira65: not sure what you mean by disable syntax |
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| 14:09.02 | mehdi | hi |
| 14:09.23 | Akira65 | dcnoye, :syn off |
| 14:09.27 | Akira65 | mehdi, hi |
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| 14:10.56 | jean | I am tying to figure out where the settings file for evolution is under gnome. I delete the .evolution folder but I still have the accounts in evolution |
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| 14:12.54 | DawnLight | does anyone know the artist behind "when the moon is in the seventh sky and jupiter aligns with mars, peace will..." |
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| 14:12.57 | smhar | what does dpkg --print-architecture show? if I have a 64 bit kernel why does that show i386? |
| 14:13.31 | DawnLight | shmar: try arch |
| 14:13.39 | DawnLight | smhar |
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| 14:14.09 | bulio| | does anyone have a guide on how to setup an SVN repo in debian? |
| 14:14.30 | smhar | DawnLight, how? |
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| 14:15.04 | DawnLight | i don't know about dpkg. man arch |
| 14:15.16 | abrotman | smhar: you can have a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland |
| 14:15.28 | stew | bulio|: svnadmin create /path/to/repository |
| 14:15.53 | bulio| | stew: apt-get install svn websvn? |
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| 14:16.36 | stew | bulio|: subversion not svn. i don't know about setting up websvn, presumably /usr/share/doc/websvn/README.Debian would tell you |
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| 14:18.06 | real | http://paste-it.net/3886 <-- anyone knows how to fix that problem on debian? |
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| 14:22.16 | SlayerXP | real: yes, you call the VMware customer support line, or ask on their excellent forum. |
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| 14:23.15 | SlayerXP | real: and did you not bother to read lines 21, 22 and 23. IT TELLS YOU WHAT TO FECKING DO. Sheesh. |
| 14:23.19 | asmarin | hi |
| 14:23.36 | asmarin | im trying to install squid 2.6 from etch on http accel mode and has a lot of bugs |
| 14:23.51 | asmarin | are squid 2.6 stable on etch? :-S |
| 14:24.01 | stew | SlayerXP: chill. lose the caps. |
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| 14:24.54 | SlayerXP | stew: it's been a long day over on #svn |
| 14:25.05 | stew | SlayerXP: i can't help you with #svn |
| 14:25.15 | asmarin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.15 | asmarin | Starting Squid HTTP proxy: squid/etc/init.d/squid: line 100: cd: /usr/local/squid/var/cache: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 14:25.16 | asmarin | FATAL: Bungled squid.conf line 1: http_port 80 accel defaultsite=xxx.xxx.xxx vhost |
| 14:25.16 | asmarin | Squid Cache (Version 2.6.STABLE5): Terminated abnormally. |
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| 14:25.37 | stew | abrotman: you installed squid from source? |
| 14:25.49 | abrotman | stew: not recently |
| 14:25.50 | stew | abrotman: hi, nm |
| 14:25.53 | abrotman | :) |
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| 14:25.59 | abrotman | stew: go sox! |
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| 14:26.52 | chantanito | hello... |
| 14:27.08 | stew | abrotman: can i have two different comments on the same column in postgres? |
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| 14:27.27 | abrotman | not that i'm aware of |
| 14:27.34 | abrotman | though i never tried |
| 14:27.52 | stew | yeah, i don't think so |
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| 14:27.54 | stew | but i want to |
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| 14:27.58 | chantanito | hello |
| 14:28.03 | abrotman | stew: well .. you could change the source :) |
| 14:28.12 | chantanito | i'm using ldtp and i'm having this error: http://paste.debian.net/39214 |
| 14:28.17 | jojo^_ | What its the preferred way of building an initrd for your debian kernel? mkinitramfs works, but how do I get it to add LVM initialization? |
| 14:28.26 | chantanito | i guess it's somehthing 'bout a lib... |
| 14:28.29 | stew | instead i'm just going to create a clone of pg_catalog.pg_description |
| 14:28.42 | chantanito | can anybody give me hand with this please? |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | ldtplib.ldtprecorder not found |
| 14:29.05 | stew | jojo^_: it should be added if you need it |
| 14:29.29 | jojo^_ | stew, Problem is I'm building the initrd on another box, which doesn't use LVM |
| 14:29.43 | stew | jojo^_: why not build it on the target box? |
| 14:30.21 | stew | jojo^_: or why not compile your kernel with the --initrd option to make-kpkg which causes one to automatically be created when you install the kernel |
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| 14:31.08 | jojo^_ | stew, I'm doing a rescue of a system with a crashed raid, need to force assemble it. |
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| 14:32.19 | danielit1 | hi there. what do I have to set in /etc/network/interfaces to NOT let my server change it's ip-address at any time, even tho there is a dhcp server running on the hardware router? I just configured it to use a static ip address, but 2 times the week or so it gets assigned a different one |
| 14:32.45 | peterS | danielit1: 'man interfaces'. it has good examples for static IP configs and other things |
| 14:34.15 | stew | jojo^_: check "man 8 iniramfs-tools" you shoudl be able to twiddle something in /etc/initramfs-tools to turn on lvm |
| 14:34.19 | danielit1 | peterS: thanks, but I already looked it up, and I guess my configuration is okay so fine |
| 14:34.49 | stew | danielit1: make sure there is no old dhclient process running |
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| 14:34.54 | danielit1 | ah |
| 14:34.58 | danielit1 | maybe set it manually, eh |
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| 14:35.04 | danielit1 | stew: another good point |
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| 14:35.10 | enyawix | flux has no menus |
| 14:35.26 | awk | anyone know what im missing /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl ? |
| 14:35.36 | stew | awk: libssl-dev |
| 14:35.48 | awk | thank you |
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| 14:36.15 | stew | awk: in general when it can't find -lfoo, you want a package named libfoo??-dev |
| 14:36.25 | awk | ahh, I see, thanks |
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| 14:36.45 | stew | awk: so "apt-cache search --names-only libsll dev" would have found this for you |
| 14:36.51 | stew | err libssl.. |
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| 14:37.08 | awk | ahh intresting |
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| 14:42.10 | nikolay | I've got a strange problem: command alias cp='nocorrect cp -iv' works well into zsh shell, but if this line is stored into .zshrc it works as alias cp='nocorrect cp' . Where is my -iv??? |
| 14:43.08 | weld | hi, want to access the content of a *.war archive (created with konqueror archive funktion) within the bash. is this possible? |
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| 14:44.44 | weld | in bash *war archived are shown as files not as directories so i cant access the intex.html inside it from shell |
| 14:45.46 | Flimzy | weld: I'm not sure waht war archives are... but unless they're actually directories, it's probably not possible. |
| 14:45.54 | stew | they are zips |
| 14:45.55 | Flimzy | Unless there's a kernel hack to make archives appear as directories. |
| 14:46.15 | Loevborg | I'd like to copy my old home directory from /old to /home/loevborg. Existing directories should be _overwritten_, preferrably with user confirmation, possibly with a backup. Is that easily possible? |
| 14:46.19 | stew | weld: you can extract the one file you want to view with "unzip archivename filename" |
| 14:46.33 | Flimzy | Loevborg: cp -a /old/* /home/loevborg |
| 14:46.44 | themill | weld: if it's a zip file, unzip -l archive.zip will show the contents. |
| 14:46.46 | Flimzy | Loevborg: If you want backups, try rsync |
| 14:46.55 | Loevborg | Flimzy: that wont overwrite .vim etc. |
| 14:46.59 | weld | Flimzy: in konqueror you can visit war "files" like a directory to |
| 14:47.08 | Flimzy | weld: that's a graphical shell feature |
| 14:47.23 | Flimzy | Loevborg: It should. |
| 14:47.26 | themill | stew: how did .zip become .war? (never heard of that before) I presume there are extra things in the .war? |
| 14:48.10 | Loevborg | Flimzy: hm I'll try just moving the whole thing away... thanks |
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| 14:48.26 | stew | themill: its a java thing, a "web archive" which is a jar with a META-INF directory that should have a MANIFEST and META-INF/web.xml |
| 14:48.34 | weld | themill: war just seems to be a directory containing all pics and stuff and a index.html |
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| 14:49.18 | themill | stew: ahh... I understand now; I know about jar files just didn't manage to associate war with jar. Thanks! |
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| 14:49.46 | stew | themill: there are also 'ear' files which are enterprise application archives, but i don't know how they differ from war files |
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| 14:50.36 | themill | stew: are the java developers trying to use up the entire .\w\w\w namespace in the fastest possible time ;) |
| 14:51.02 | keith4 | does smartmontools not support SATA? |
| 14:51.48 | moshii | keith4: should work if your libata version is new enough |
| 14:52.32 | weld | i found it war is tar.gz |
| 14:52.52 | stew | that would be odd |
| 14:53.19 | stew | weld: you can extract a single file from a .tar.gz with "tar xzf foo.tar.gz filename" |
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| 14:53.43 | keith4 | moshii: and how would i find my libata version? |
| 14:54.27 | weld | stew: yeah, ill never manage to learn these encryped tar options :) |
| 14:54.37 | moshii | keith4: its in the kernel, I think the kernel in etch is recent enough. |
| 14:54.48 | weld | stew: thanks :) |
| 14:54.57 | keith4 | I think this is etch... kernel 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 14:56.39 | GuHHH | !paste |
| 14:56.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 14:56.47 | stew | weld: can you not just browse the archive with konqeror? |
| 14:57.07 | stew | (i have no idea, i don't use konqueror, but if it could create it for you, i'd think it could browse it) |
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| 14:59.33 | ldrada | Ok, I'm afraid this is a reeeeally dumb question, but what package provides "make"? |
| 14:59.45 | themill | make |
| 14:59.50 | ldrada | Just "make"? |
| 14:59.55 | themill | yep :) |
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| 15:00.01 | weld | stew: when you klick on a war archive in konqueror it opens the webpage stored in it |
| 15:00.07 | ldrada | Oh, you're right. |
| 15:00.08 | ldrada | Thanks. |
| 15:00.35 | themill | weld: try loading the url zip:/path/to/your/archive.war instead |
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| 15:01.13 | weld | but when you go "up" from that page you'll end up in the tar showing all pics and stuff |
| 15:01.47 | xsdg | weld: a war archive? |
| 15:02.19 | [1]rati | I have generated certificate but it ask for passphrase. how can i give it ? I have tried < filename but its not working |
| 15:02.25 | weld | stew: in both cases anyway konqueror shows tar:/ in the adress |
| 15:02.42 | weld | stew: (i had better looked there before asking ;) |
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| 15:02.47 | themill | weld: oh well... it was a good thought |
| 15:02.57 | neuro_damage | I have an intel 945GM card how do I get this to work for Xorg correctly |
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| 15:05.10 | spq | hmm, how to work with nfs mounts and binds in fstab? i have nfs mount: srv:/a /a; bind: /a /b; bind /a/x /c |
| 15:05.50 | spq | so i ould like to makeall binds after nfs mount |
| 15:06.11 | jelly-home | spq: bind mounts: /spool/postfix /var/spool/postfix none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 15:07.01 | cor | so I'm trying to backpaddle from an amd64 arch to i386 on etch... what are some good ways to do that? I'm playing with xen too, want this for my dom0 |
| 15:07.09 | spq | jelly, i have the bind mounts in my fstab this is no problem but some are not mounted because the source dir does not exist (it exists after the parent folder is mounted via nfs) |
| 15:07.53 | jelly-home | spq: so put the nfs lines before the bind ones? |
| 15:08.01 | spq | jelly, they are |
| 15:08.08 | jelly-home | spq: ah |
| 15:08.17 | spq | but debian first mounts all but nfs mounts, then the nfs mounts |
| 15:08.40 | HardDisk_WP | anyone knows why KDEs fish protocol often crashes? |
| 15:08.47 | HardDisk_WP | it says the process for the protocol has died |
| 15:09.00 | spq | HardDisk_WP, no log files? |
| 15:09.07 | HardDisk_WP | for KDE? |
| 15:09.12 | HardDisk_WP | none that I am aware of |
| 15:09.26 | spq | normally they are all put into the Xsession log |
| 15:09.28 | neuro_damage | I know there is a DDC probe issue with xorg.conf |
| 15:09.48 | jelly-home | spq: no idea how to do it cleanly, but you could work around it by adding noauto to bind mounts and mounting them via a script later in the boot process |
| 15:09.52 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, normally (and with other servers!) the fish protocl works |
| 15:09.56 | HardDisk_WP | only with a specific server |
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| 15:10.07 | HardDisk_WP | where the protocol crashes in 99% of attempts |
| 15:11.01 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: does a plain ssh connection to that server die often too? |
| 15:11.08 | HardDisk_WP | nope |
| 15:11.19 | HardDisk_WP | and the server has 53mb of RAM free |
| 15:11.22 | HardDisk_WP | of 256 |
| 15:11.41 | HardDisk_WP | so I dont think RAM is problem |
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| 15:12.00 | HardDisk_WP | cpu load is load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.02 |
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| 15:12.27 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: maybe ask in a kde channel, I doubt there's many people using fish:// here |
| 15:12.31 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 15:12.48 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: I use sshfs sometimes, and it mostly works |
| 15:12.49 | themill | HardDisk_WP: check the version of perl on the remote box |
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| 15:13.29 | HardDisk_WP | themill, current debian testing |
| 15:13.32 | cor | I recently tried to debootstrap a i386 etch, but after that tried to install kernels appropriate to its arch, which initially failed becasue I did it while running the amd64 arch... so, installed it with force-all... |
| 15:13.34 | HardDisk_WP | same as on my home machine |
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| 15:14.42 | cor | unfortunately, the modules are separate and I think I installed the wrong ones, forcing -all- didn't let dpkg tell me when the modules weren't the wrong ones |
| 15:14.45 | DawnLight | my main box is connected takes internet from a wireless AP. i am installing debian with netinst in a second box that is wired to the main box. i have configured the main box's routing tables to do NAT for the appropriate NIC. but now the netinst can't seem to connect to the mirror. i'm trying to think of what i'm doing wrong. should i put in the main box's ip as the name server address? |
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| 15:15.30 | loesh | DawnLight, is your mainbox a dns server? |
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| 15:15.33 | cor | so what is the force option for dpkg which just forces the arch but not the depends? |
| 15:16.22 | DawnLight | loesh: i don't think so. |
| 15:16.39 | loesh | DawnLight, then you should probably put a valid dns there.. |
| 15:16.43 | DawnLight | should i supply it with the wireless AP's ip? |
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| 15:16.49 | loesh | cat /etc/resolv.conf on your router |
| 15:16.56 | loesh | nah.. |
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| 15:17.06 | loesh | i dont know your setup.. |
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| 15:17.19 | loesh | but generally yoyur ISP will give you a dns to use.. |
| 15:17.42 | loesh | if you use dhcp on your router then it should have gotten a nice dns setting.. use that one.. |
| 15:18.12 | [1]rati | I have this command will sign certificate. |
| 15:18.17 | [1]rati | openssl ca -config /var/ibox/files/openssl.cnf -batch -policy policy_anything -cert /var/ibox/demoCA/cacert.pem -out /var/ibox/demoCA/certs/localcert.pem -infiles /var/ibox/demoCA/certs/requestformsign.pem |
| 15:19.10 | DawnLight | loesh: the nameserver is 10.0.0.138 in the main box. that is the wireless AP's ip. should i put that as the nameserver in my secondary box? |
| 15:19.11 | [1]rati | but it will prompt me password. than i have put password to file pass and than I have added < pass at end but It cant accept password |
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| 15:19.38 | loesh | DawnLight, sure.. if it woork dor your main box and your mainbox is set upp correctly it shoudl work |
| 15:19.53 | loesh | +spelling |
| 15:20.03 | chemist | I have a lapto (sony vaio vgn-a417s) with half of the video ram broken. Is there anyway to tell debian to ignore it? |
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| 15:20.50 | abrotman | how'd you break half? |
| 15:21.34 | chemist | its a defect on teh memory chip, if I apply freeze spray to it it works |
| 15:21.50 | bmr | freeze spray is such lovely stuff! |
| 15:22.20 | DawnLight | freeze spray? |
| 15:22.26 | DawnLight | !freeze spray |
| 15:22.26 | chemist | yes, but I cant afford to apply it constantly:) |
| 15:22.33 | abrotman | chemist: i think the solution is obvious .. only use the laptop in sub-zero environments |
| 15:22.39 | chemist | :) |
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| 15:23.29 | bmr | chemist, you could do what hughsie does - keep your laptop in the freezer |
| 15:23.33 | chemist | is there no way of telling it to ignore the first block of ram? |
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| 15:23.47 | bmr | he claims that he does this to fine tune gnome-power-manager's thermal handling, but I think he just likes chilling his chips |
| 15:23.52 | abrotman | chemist: maybe specify the vram to X |
| 15:24.29 | jelly-home | chemist: Option "VideoRam" doesn't help? |
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| 15:28.24 | neuro_damage | ntfs fuse how do I use this to mount a local ntfs partition for reading/writing |
| 15:28.56 | Xyhthyx | Hibernating kills my networking, anyone have a workaround to getting it back? |
| 15:29.18 | cor | don't hybernate |
| 15:29.21 | Xyhthyx | Tried /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:29.40 | Xyhthyx | Tht's not a workaraound to getting networking back. |
| 15:30.13 | DocPlatypus | Xyhthyx: maybe ifdown, rmmod the modules, modprobe them again, and then ifup? |
| 15:30.23 | cor | shrug... can't think of anything else... |
| 15:30.25 | DocPlatypus | what networking specifically? |
| 15:30.32 | DocPlatypus | wireless or wired? what drivers? |
| 15:30.36 | Xyhthyx | Wired. |
| 15:30.44 | Xyhthyx | Unsure which drivers it's using. |
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| 15:32.43 | Xyhthyx | Haven't tried re-probing the module because I don't know which one it is. |
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| 15:33.04 | Xyhthyx | But I've tried stopping/disabling networking before hibernate and enabling after and no dice. |
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| 15:33.22 | HardDisk_WP | is adobe's PDF a vectorized format or can it only contain raster data? |
| 15:33.43 | keith4 | vector |
| 15:34.40 | themill | HardDisk_WP: both |
| 15:34.49 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 15:35.00 | HardDisk_WP | can I extract vector data to a svg file? |
| 15:35.52 | graytron | XPSlammer: /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ |
| 15:35.56 | HardDisk_WP | I recieved the PDF plans from a building (source seems to be a .dwg file) |
| 15:36.46 | graytron | i meant Xyhthyx |
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| 15:37.06 | keith4 | HardDisk_WP: if the dwg file was "printed" to PDF, it might have been rasterized |
| 15:37.20 | themill | HardDisk_WP: there are ways to extract the vector as a raster, or you can convert to postscript, but I don't know a way of getting an svg out of it. |
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| 15:37.38 | HardDisk_WP | themill, oh :( |
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| 15:38.01 | HardDisk_WP | can Inkscape deal with a DIN A0 sized Postscript file? |
| 15:38.22 | DocPlatypus | HardDisk_WP: I don't see why not |
| 15:38.25 | DocPlatypus | load it and find out |
| 15:38.28 | spq | i have a directory /data on a nfs server, i want to export this directory, but under it there are many mounts, how can they be accessed through the one export? |
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| 15:38.42 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 15:39.16 | themill | HardDisk_WP: you're more likely to hit problems with there being too many objects on the canvas than the page being too large. And even that shouldn't really happen... |
| 15:39.22 | keith4 | spq: I don't think NFS will re-export filesystems that aren't local |
| 15:39.35 | HardDisk_WP | themill, ok |
| 15:39.41 | spq | keith4, what do u mean? |
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| 15:40.06 | devilchaos | !tell ati onliner |
| 15:40.11 | keith4 | spq: that depends what you mean by "many mounts" |
| 15:40.31 | devilchaos | someone give the onliner again please? |
| 15:40.39 | devilchaos | ati |
| 15:40.49 | GuHHH | !paste |
| 15:40.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 15:41.23 | devilchaos | !tell devilchaos ati oneliner |
| 15:41.33 | spq | i have a directory /data exported, under /data there are some mounts(eg /dev/hdb1 -> /data/files) (not nfs mounted) i want to access these mounts with one nfs mount on another machine, nfs-server:/data -> /data and access /data/files on this machine |
| 15:41.33 | keith4 | !tell devilchaos about ati one-liner |
| 15:41.40 | Ryushin | Has there perhaps been any news about an update in sid that would prevent debian from booting? |
| 15:41.59 | DawnLight | how can i check if my box is configured to do nat? |
| 15:42.04 | Ryushin | It seems to hang soon after udev being populated. |
| 15:42.17 | devilchaos | cant go to the webpage am not in x only console mode and i need the command |
| 15:42.59 | spq | keith4, do you know what i mean? |
| 15:43.20 | keith4 | devilchaos: try module-assistant |
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| 15:43.43 | devilchaos | yeah but there is statement from the bot that gives me the one-liner |
| 15:44.15 | DawnLight | devilchaos: just ask the bot |
| 15:44.53 | keith4 | the one-liner is going to be somethign like "apt-get install fglrx; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" or something |
| 15:45.05 | devilchaos | yup yup |
| 15:45.08 | Ryushin | Guess I'll use a rescue disc and see what I can find out. |
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| 15:46.10 | keith4 | spq: if you're talking about exporting strictly-local filesystems, there shouldn't be a problem |
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| 15:46.24 | ackron | HardDisk_WP: dou specificly need it in SVG? |
| 15:46.33 | jelly-home | is there a way to get logs about what udev did during initrd time? |
| 15:46.33 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 15:46.39 | HardDisk_WP | just in a vector format |
| 15:46.41 | DawnLight | devilchaos: you can dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then you'll have your X back |
| 15:47.52 | spq | keith4, but it does not work! it exports the directorys under the mount /data/files, so the directory is empty |
| 15:47.52 | jelly-home | more specifically, I have a funny device and want to figure out what caused its creation: crw-rw---- 1 root root 189, 385 2007-10-09 02:11 /dev/4-2 |
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| 15:48.36 | keith4 | jelly-home: check dmesg or syslog? |
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| 15:50.30 | jelly-home | keith4: I did. I also set udev_log="debug" in udev.conf before that |
| 15:51.08 | cahoot | jelly-home: no funky usbdevice present? |
| 15:51.21 | g00se | What would slow response to scrolling be a symptom of on a Tosh Tecra 8000? |
| 15:51.40 | xevious | Does linux support windows dynamic disks that are spanned across two physical drives? I know that LDM allows support for the dynamic disks themselves, but the md driver seems to use a different form of superblock |
| 15:51.41 | keith4 | jelly-home: that's probably a usb device, no? |
| 15:52.13 | jelly-home | cahoot: I truly have no idea what is funky and nonfunky when it comes to usb. |
| 15:52.13 | spq | keith4, do you have any idea? |
| 15:52.14 | xevious | correction the md linear driver |
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| 15:52.14 | keith4 | spq: i'm not 100% positive, but I think NFS only exports *filesystems* |
| 15:52.16 | jelly-home | keith4: jugding by the major/minor, yes. But why is it in /dev? |
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| 15:52.28 | keith4 | jelly-home: where else would you expect it? |
| 15:52.43 | svref | How do I get sound working in stable? |
| 15:52.52 | keith4 | svref: run alsaconf |
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| 15:53.32 | svref | keith4: thank you |
| 15:53.32 | jelly-home | keith4: hidden under /dev/usb or whatever |
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| 15:53.59 | keith4 | jelly-home: ah, I see your point |
| 15:54.37 | keith4 | jelly-home: fwiw, my usb devs are floating in /dev as well |
| 15:54.42 | spq | i have a problem with nfs, nfs server: export /data; mount /dev/hdc1 /data/files; touch /data/files/test nfs client: mount nfssrv:/data /data; ls /data/files -> empty, how an i access mounts under the exported filesystem? |
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| 15:55.31 | jelly-home | keith4: on another testing machine, I have /dev/bus/usb. Not on this one. |
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| 15:56.09 | keith4 | jelly-home: i have /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00, usbdev2.1_ep00, etc |
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| 15:56.18 | valdyn | xevious: linux has lvm |
| 15:56.19 | cor | spq: if you were to state what the problem is in english, what would that look like? |
| 15:56.42 | valdyn | xevious: to support windows ldm you probably need commercial software |
| 15:56.51 | jelly-home | keith4: I have similar entries too. It's /dev/4-2 that is interesting. |
| 15:56.52 | valdyn | s/commercial/proprietary/ |
| 15:56.55 | keith4 | cor: he wants nfs to export filesystems that are mounted under an nfs export |
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| 15:57.12 | cor | keith4 oh ok :) |
| 15:57.37 | spq | cor, what cant you understand? |
| 15:57.38 | cor | why not just nfs mount from the original place |
| 15:57.56 | jelly-home | spq: you need to export each mountpoint under /data separately too |
| 15:58.13 | jelly-home | spq: one export -> one filesystem |
| 15:58.20 | spq | so i have to add /data/files to my exports |
| 15:58.24 | keith4 | yes |
| 15:58.32 | keith4 | nfs only exports filesystems |
| 15:58.36 | xevious | valdyn: ldm is in the kernel. and i just answered my own question by actually reading the kernel ntfs documentation. dmraid can be used to do it |
| 15:58.38 | spq | and mount each export separately? |
| 15:58.41 | xevious | valdyn: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/ntfs.txt |
| 15:58.47 | keith4 | it doesn't... have indirection |
| 15:58.53 | cor | if you intend to mount the thing that will be /data/files yes |
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| 15:59.30 | jelly-home | spq: either that, or man exports, read about subtree_check option |
| 15:59.54 | cor | one thing, this is going to be an awful lot of net traffic |
| 16:00.29 | spq | hm? |
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| 16:00.49 | spq | do you mean nfs in general? |
| 16:01.14 | cor | you're nfsmounting something that's mounted nfs on another machine... right? |
| 16:01.22 | spq | no |
| 16:01.41 | spq | i have a fileserver and a client |
| 16:01.42 | cor | oh, then I was misinformed, never mind then :) |
| 16:01.49 | keith4 | cor: my explanation made more sense in my head, sorry |
| 16:01.56 | cor | np :) |
| 16:02.13 | jelly-home | spq: sorry, ignore that subtree_check stuff |
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| 16:02.21 | keith4 | cor: he has filesystems mounted within a directory that is nfs exported, and wants to know why he can't access them from the nfs client |
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| 16:02.42 | cor | ohh |
| 16:02.46 | cor | now I see |
| 16:02.52 | keith4 | so, he exported /data, and mounted some other filesystem in /data/foo |
| 16:03.01 | jelly-home | spq: is called "nohide" |
| 16:03.10 | spq | aah |
| 16:03.22 | spq | hm, ill read the man page about it |
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| 16:03.52 | keith4 | man exports |
| 16:04.02 | keith4 | makes some interesting points about the 'nohide' option |
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| 16:05.08 | cor | so the nfs server has a dir which is exported, and there is a mount of another partition somewhere inside that place |
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| 16:05.17 | spq | right |
| 16:05.31 | cor | one question, did the export happen first, or did the mount of the other partition happen first? |
| 16:05.47 | jelly-home | cor: it doesn't matter |
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| 16:06.24 | spq | if i reload nfs-kernel-server, this means everything is reexported, so i think the mount happened before |
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| 16:06.58 | jelly-home | cor: (well, it matters for the subdir mountpoint. obviously exporting an empty directory won't result in much fun) |
| 16:07.20 | cor | so if I have /data mentioned in /etc/exports and there is already a separate partition mounted on /data/files, the kernel nfs server won't serve it? |
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| 16:07.36 | jelly-home | cor: correct |
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| 16:07.48 | cor | what about the userland nfs server? |
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| 16:08.03 | cor | that shouldn't care, right? |
| 16:08.17 | jelly-home | cor: (for knfsd) you need to export /data/files too |
| 16:08.35 | spq | hmm |
| 16:08.39 | spq | im using the kernel nfs |
| 16:08.46 | cor | because in order to care, the userland would have to know things internal to the kernel |
| 16:08.56 | cor | right? |
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| 16:09.10 | jelly-home | cor: userland can and does know about devices and mount points. |
| 16:09.17 | ezguy | hi, for archive copy using hard link "cp -al" right? |
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| 16:11.48 | cor | jelly-home: so the userland nfs server will also not serve the mounted fs? |
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| 16:12.11 | cor | this seems unintuitive :) |
| 16:12.14 | jelly-home | cor: I have no idea. Depends on the implementation, I guess. |
| 16:12.15 | enyawix | why are so many apps missing? |
| 16:12.39 | Ronin | enyawix: more specific please |
| 16:12.44 | enyawix | the xorg tools |
| 16:12.44 | jelly-home | cor: not traversing filesystems is quite intuitive if you think about it. |
| 16:12.50 | enyawix | for example |
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| 16:14.06 | cor | jelly-home: but certainly the kernel nfs server won't serve them... ok, good to know :) |
| 16:14.26 | Ronin | missing from where? debian or your computer? |
| 16:14.49 | enyawix | debian tools are missing |
| 16:15.21 | enyawix | fluxbox has a tool luxbox-generate_menu |
| 16:15.28 | enyawix | the app is missing |
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| 16:16.44 | cor | enyawixone possible explanation... is there are somewhere like 10,000 different debian packages... and different people like different stuff... some people don't want a graphic display... and some of these same people want it on some but not all of their computers |
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| 16:17.13 | {cyborg} | Hi, dpkg tells me that "shared/default-x-server" is not set and refuses to produce a xorg.conf. How can I fix it ? |
| 16:17.25 | cor | so when you say "missing" maybe you really mean "I haven't installed them yet" |
| 16:17.32 | jelly-home | enyawix: was it available in a previous version? have you read the docs to see if there's a replacement? |
| 16:17.59 | pengol | hi there ... if a bug has been identifyed and solved in unstable but it still affect stabe ... should I file a new bug? |
| 16:18.01 | enyawix | i am had to build xorg from source to get the tools i expected |
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| 16:19.08 | jelly-home | !tell enyawix -about search |
| 16:20.00 | jelly-home | enyawix: I find it unlikely that debian wouldn't package apps built from xorg source. |
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| 16:21.47 | jelly-home | enyawix: searching for them on package.debian.org or using apt-file, or /msg dpkg find bin/appname |
| 16:22.00 | enyawix | jelly-home look for xorgcfg and xorgconfig they are part of the xorg source |
| 16:22.13 | enyawix | missing |
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| 16:24.11 | enyawix | that is why i built xorg from source |
| 16:24.20 | jelly-home | enyawix: yeah, you're right. I've never needed them tho. :-) |
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| 16:25.07 | enyawix | file a bug report? |
| 16:25.14 | jelly-home | yup |
| 16:25.31 | jelly-home | ... if you think those are useful |
| 16:25.52 | enyawix | i feed like a beta tester |
| 16:25.55 | cor | well, ok... in that case you won't have the debian one, which is just fine and everything but unless you check out and use equivs you[ll have to manage at least the server side yourself... clients similar, but they're on a different dependency chain (which is a good thing: then you can have client(s) without server, server without clients, both, neither) |
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| 16:26.34 | cor | whether you feel able to do that is completely up to you, another good thing |
| 16:27.50 | cor | enyawix: what and how do beta testers feed? |
| 16:27.54 | jelly-home | enyawix: however if those are for creating xorg.conf, you shouldn't need'em |
| 16:27.58 | enyawix | the debian tools are nice but i want the defaults also |
| 16:28.36 | cor | enyawix: you can do anything you want (a very good thing :) |
| 16:28.55 | enyawix | jelly-home you are correct. i want to know i have "all" of a program |
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| 16:29.22 | jelly-home | *nod* |
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| 16:30.38 | skyrocker67 | any one here |
| 16:30.41 | cor | enyawix: gotta go here, you should explore what debian has and how they generally divide things up... maybe you want to be managed by how they do things, it's increasingly looking like not... if you do, you have a lot to explore |
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| 16:30.53 | cor | I aam not here. |
| 16:31.12 | skyrocker67 | any one |
| 16:31.26 | Enigma1 | I'm currently running knoppix and have downloaded a debian netinst iso. Is it possible to start the installation-process without burning the iso? |
| 16:31.31 | cor | or at least I am now leaving :) have good morning |
| 16:32.17 | skyrocker67 | just wondering if yoou can use gnome with debian/ |
| 16:33.40 | enyawix | cor debian looks very cool i just feel sheltered. old debian did not shelter you |
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| 16:34.51 | enyawix | later i have work to do :( |
| 16:35.25 | Enigma1 | or are there basic working images for debian, that I can extract? |
| 16:35.58 | Bl4ckSB4 | Someone can help me please because my system don't read the file .dmrc at the starting of my system and my session run with gnome and not kde :S |
| 16:36.06 | Bl4ckSB4 | scuse me for my bad english |
| 16:36.11 | Ronin | Enigma1: you dont want to use a debian install why? |
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| 16:36.56 | Enigma1 | Ronin, because I have no blank cd left :( |
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| 16:37.05 | jelly-home | Enigma1: you could install via debootstrap, read the release notes |
| 16:37.21 | Ronin | Enigma1: go buy one :) bootstrap or theres a webbased install too |
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| 16:38.02 | jelly-home | it would be nifty if one could boot from an iso image file. |
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| 16:41.29 | ma3x | how come keyboard stops working and cpu is extremly slow untill I manage to restart X |
| 16:41.37 | ma3x | i was running firefox only ...... |
| 16:42.55 | jelly-home | ma3x: run an instance of top or htop, next time that happens see what's eating your cpu |
| 16:43.10 | ma3x | I couldn't the keyboard was disabled! |
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| 16:43.16 | ma3x | the mouse too partly |
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| 16:43.34 | jelly-home | ma3x: that's why I said "next time" |
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| 16:43.46 | ma3x | I could move the cursor and launch applicaitons, but then not click in the apps inside the windows |
| 16:43.55 | Azar | who knows what crapware he installed that messes up his cpu |
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| 16:44.06 | ma3x | jelly-home, how can I type 'top' if the keyboard gets disabled again |
| 16:44.31 | muhoo | this makes no sense: |
| 16:44.33 | muhoo | /dev/hda2 950M 950M 0 100% / |
| 16:44.42 | muhoo | du -hxs |
| 16:44.43 | muhoo | 201M |
| 16:44.43 | jelly-home | ma3x: dude. run top now in a terminal. see if the problem happens again. |
| 16:44.51 | muhoo | ok, du says there is only 201M in the / filesystem |
| 16:45.00 | muhoo | but df says there is 950M???!!!! |
| 16:45.12 | muhoo | wtf? |
| 16:45.31 | jelly-home | muhoo: df says there's 0 free (all filled up) |
| 16:45.37 | muhoo | i know |
| 16:45.47 | muhoo | but du says there's only 201M of data in that filesystem |
| 16:45.53 | ma3x | jelly-home, everything's normal now...... but if it happens another time I wouldn't be able to launch top because if the keyboard gets disabled you simply can't type top |
| 16:46.02 | jelly-home | muhoo: unix doesn't free up file space if there are processes still keeping the file open |
| 16:46.08 | muhoo | i'm looking for stuff to delete, but can't find anything, since there is already 700MB of space |
| 16:46.13 | jelly-home | ma3x: run top NOW. wait. |
| 16:46.31 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.31 | ma3x | I am running jelly-home so what?? im waiting nothing happens |
| 16:46.46 | muhoo | i'll look in lsof but it's going to be hard |
| 16:46.57 | jelly-home | ma3x: go with your usual business until it happens again, then take a look at that window |
| 16:47.06 | ma3x | ok jelly |
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| 16:47.17 | jelly-home | muhoo: not really, lsof -n | grep deleted |
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| 16:47.56 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 16:47.56 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
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| 16:49.10 | keith4 | ... |
| 16:49.22 | keith4 | i see i missed some real gems |
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| 16:49.59 | muhoo | jelly-home: nothing. |
| 16:50.07 | muhoo | and lsof +D / shows just the normal stuff |
| 16:50.09 | muhoo | libs |
| 16:50.28 | muhoo | /bin/bash, nothing huge |
| 16:50.47 | jelly-home | muhoo: as root, of course? |
| 16:50.50 | muhoo | yes |
| 16:51.10 | jelly-home | muhoo: bind mounts? |
| 16:51.23 | muhoo | bind, as in named? |
| 16:51.42 | jelly-home | muhoo: as in mount --bind one_file some_path |
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| 16:51.59 | muhoo | never used those |
| 16:52.08 | jelly-home | muhoo: loopback devices? |
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| 16:52.24 | muhoo | no loopbacks |
| 16:52.31 | jelly-home | no idea then |
| 16:52.31 | muhoo | output of mount looks normal |
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| 16:53.02 | keith4 | muhoo: what is it that you think 'du -hxs' is doing |
| 16:53.06 | keith4 | ? |
| 16:53.28 | muhoo | keith4: counting up the size of all the files on that fs, and telling me what the total is |
| 16:53.35 | jelly-home | keith4: it HaXorS the system! |
| 16:53.38 | muhoo | hmm, what's this? |
| 16:53.39 | muhoo | nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw) |
| 16:53.39 | muhoo | rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) |
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| 16:53.47 | jelly-home | muhoo: that's normal |
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| 16:53.50 | muhoo | k |
| 16:54.01 | muhoo | this is really fucked up |
| 16:54.19 | jelly-home | use the windows solution! |
| 16:54.20 | keith4 | muhoo: fwiw, 'du -hxs' output doesn't match the 'used' collumn of anything in 'df -h' for me |
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| 16:54.58 | muhoo | hmm |
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| 16:55.00 | muhoo | auugh |
| 16:55.06 | keith4 | where did you run du? |
| 16:55.09 | muhoo | in / |
| 16:55.15 | muhoo | or, du -hxs / |
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| 16:55.43 | muhoo | frustrating. how the fuck am i supposed to delete whatever is filling up this fs, if there's no way to find out what it is??! |
| 16:55.49 | fishfinger | Is GNOME 2.20 in the repos? |
| 16:56.08 | muhoo | root fs at 100% tends to make unix systems unstable |
| 16:56.10 | Azar | fishfinger: apt-cache search gnome |
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| 16:56.24 | pickcoder | muhoo: is /var/ on the same parition as /? |
| 16:56.25 | fishfinger | Azar, Im not on debian atm, im just about to start installing it |
| 16:56.27 | muhoo | no |
| 16:56.42 | muhoo | /dev/hda7 28G 655M 26G 3% /var |
| 16:56.44 | Azar | fishfinger: which version? 4.0, Etch the stable? |
| 16:56.49 | muhoo | /dev/hda8 8.2G 33M 7.8G 1% /tmp |
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| 16:56.57 | muhoo | /dev/hda6 19G 3.0G 15G 17% /usr |
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| 16:57.00 | fishfinger | Azar, Im downloading etch now yes |
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| 16:57.08 | Azar | ok hold on |
| 16:57.26 | muhoo | the usual culprits, like /var and /tmp being filled with junk, ain't so here. |
| 16:57.28 | muhoo | oh wait |
| 16:57.33 | muhoo | wait a minute |
| 16:57.44 | keith4 | i don't think gnome 2.20 is in etch |
| 16:57.51 | pickcoder | muhoo: lsof is helpful |
| 16:57.52 | muhoo | maybe i need to telinit 1, and umount /tmp and /var, and see if there's junk hiding in there on / |
| 16:58.08 | Azar | fishfinger: here is a list of packages, just pick the list ment for Stable/Etch http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 16:58.08 | muhoo | pickcoder: lsof +D / shows only the normal stuff, nothing huge |
| 16:58.09 | valdyn | muhoo: no |
| 16:58.26 | valdyn | muhoo: df is not impacted by mounts |
| 16:58.34 | muhoo | no no, i mean |
| 16:58.34 | keith4 | but du is |
| 16:58.56 | keith4 | muhoo: it's a good idea... what you suggested |
| 16:59.01 | muhoo | i've had stuff like that happen before. when you mount a fs on top of a mountpoint that's not empty |
| 16:59.18 | muhoo | then whatever was in that directory, doesn't show up in ls or du, but it's *there* |
| 16:59.22 | muhoo | and it takes up space |
| 16:59.27 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 16:59.30 | Kobaz | that's always fun |
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| 16:59.44 | Kobaz | forget to remount /home... cp -r /stuff /home/stuff |
| 16:59.45 | jelly-home | there is a time and place to mount /tmp, and it's the boot sequence |
| 16:59.54 | muhoo | hmm, ok, i'll try that. stupid unix tricks. |
| 17:00.11 | muhoo | jelly-home: and that's how it's done. but perhaps some process at boot time dumped a bunch of shit in there |
| 17:00.29 | muhoo | or, maybe aeons ago, when i first built this system, there was stuff there, and i didn't notice until now |
| 17:01.05 | jelly-home | there be hidden pron in /var/tmp on root! |
| 17:01.52 | pickcoder | muhoo: durep looks interesting |
| 17:03.27 | keith4 | durep is awesome, and it can make html reports with bar graphs |
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| 17:03.27 | neuro_damage | how do I get a file off of unstable? for ntfs-3g stuff? |
| 17:03.27 | pickcoder | I just tested that |
| 17:03.27 | pickcoder | that's really nice |
| 17:03.27 | twobitsprite | is there an easier way to do "sed -e ... my-file > /tmp/my-file; mv /tmp/my-file my-file" ? |
| 17:03.40 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: -i option to sed |
| 17:03.51 | twobitsprite | ahhhhh |
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| 17:04.41 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: I'm not sure how safe it is. at least using a temp file won't kill your precious config file if the disk is filled up |
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| 17:05.05 | twobitsprite | well.. now that I see it in the manpage, you can supply a filename extension for backup |
| 17:05.09 | keith4 | neuro_damage: you can add a source for unstable and tell it not to use it unless you specifically say so, but it's dangerous and you have to know what you're doing |
| 17:05.10 | twobitsprite | which is nice |
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| 17:06.02 | jelly-home | neuro_damage: if you're using debian's kernel you'll also want to backport fuse (modules and source) together with ntfs-3g |
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| 17:07.25 | jelly-home | neuro_damage: or take a look at backports.org to see if someone's already created a backport |
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| 17:08.52 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, ok, i'll just use fuse.ntfs |
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| 17:12.08 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 17:12.50 | Ben_Cs | do debian and ubuntu have the same kernel? (i would think so cause ubuntu is built from debian, but i want to know for sure) |
| 17:13.09 | petemc | no |
| 17:13.12 | SlayerXP | Ben_Cs: no |
| 17:13.35 | Ben_Cs | so if there's a bug in ubuntu kernel, it wont be in debian kernel? |
| 17:13.49 | petemc | depends on the bug.. |
| 17:13.50 | SlayerXP | Ben_Cs: yes, or no. |
| 17:13.53 | keith4 | maybe |
| 17:13.56 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:14.04 | keith4 | which kernel? |
| 17:14.06 | petemc | if its caused by patches ubuntu added, but debian didnt.. |
| 17:14.31 | Ben_Cs | coming to think about it: if Linus makes the linux kernel, how come different distros have different kernels? |
| 17:14.59 | keith4 | I don't know if it's accurate to say that Linus makes the kernel... |
| 17:15.38 | petemc | linus is the arbiter of the "stable" kernels from kernel.org |
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| 17:15.50 | Ben_Cs | is it accurate to say that debian etch is more stable then ubuntu stable version? |
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| 17:16.15 | keith4 | Ben_Cs: in this channel? that's accurate ;-) |
| 17:16.26 | petemc | Ben_Cs: they can both have problems, it would be impossible to make any accurate statements about things of that nature |
| 17:16.27 | keith4 | (is there a stable ubuntu?) |
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| 17:17.34 | Ben_Cs | look guys. in last couple of months i've been jumping from ubuntu to debian and vice versa. didn't deside which is better for my hardware |
| 17:17.41 | stew | Ben_Cs: debian stable means not changing, it doesn't mean not crashing. in that respect both should be relatively equally stable, however we don't necessarily now if ubuntu stable means the same thing as debian stable. you should not expect either to be crashy |
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| 17:17.49 | Xyhthyx | Is it odd that my /etc/network/interfaces doesnt have auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp? My eth0 works fine but dissapears after hibernate. |
| 17:18.02 | ma3x | jelly-home, you there? |
| 17:18.21 | stew | Ben_Cs: hardware support basically boils down to a kernel, you can use a ubuntu kernel with debian and vice versa with no problems |
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| 17:18.45 | abrotman | dunno about no problems .. it might depend on tools in ubuntu that debian dosen't have |
| 17:19.05 | Ben_Cs | stew: does debian work alright with realtek built in netcards? cause in ubuntu i experience random network connection drops (don't have these drops in winxp) |
| 17:19.07 | jelly-home | Ben_Cs: in general all major distros are very cautious about their kernel setup. Even then, one can easily replace the kernel with his own build and the userspace won't complain much |
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| 17:19.24 | jelly-home | ma3x: i am |
| 17:19.25 | keith4 | Ben_Cs: for example, I put ubuntu on all the laptops we have that have weird-ass hardware, and it seems to "just work" better than debian |
| 17:19.37 | keith4 | but I run Debian on the desktops, and my own machines |
| 17:20.08 | ma3x | jelly-home, about the problem before - I have installed scrot and I configured it when I press the print button to make a screenshot. and it made 1 GB in my home dir of png files. But I don't remember pressing the print button. how strange |
| 17:20.46 | simonrvn | more like, you don't have to fiddle as much with it |
| 17:20.49 | jelly-home | ma3x: I don't remember that, sorry. Maybe someone else was helping you with that |
| 17:20.49 | stew | Ben_Cs: this has nothing to do with debian or ubuntu but with the kernel you are using. i doubt that either debian or ubuntu change the realtek driver before packaging it. if you use the same kernel version on debian as you did on ubuntu, i'd expect it to behave identically |
| 17:21.18 | ma3x | jelly-home, you were! I said the CPU got extremly slow and the keyboard didn't respond |
| 17:21.21 | Ben_Cs | stew: so no solution for random network drops? |
| 17:21.33 | jelly-home | ma3x: ah |
| 17:21.42 | pickcoder | Ben_Cs: check the cabling |
| 17:21.46 | Skyrail | Where is the php5-cgi 'put' when it's installed in order for me to use it with lighttpd? |
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| 17:22.14 | stew | Ben_Cs: get a better network card. its sounds like a hardware problem, not a software problem, and realtek is notorius for making some of the worst network hardware |
| 17:22.17 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, waht is my /etc/fstba entry for ntfsmount ? |
| 17:22.40 | Ben_Cs | pickcoder: the main thing is that all work great on winxp. with all that's said against Windows, it still has the best hardware compatibility |
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| 17:23.02 | jelly-home | neuro_damage: no idea, I use ntfs-3g :-D |
| 17:23.12 | jelly-home | !ntfs-ro |
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| 17:23.31 | jelly-home | !ntfsro |
| 17:23.32 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 17:23.33 | Ben_Cs | stew: i have an old 10/100 3com card. but it's OLD. |
| 17:23.35 | pickcoder | Ben_Cs: I've run into more issues with Windows drivers than with Linux hardware compat |
| 17:23.53 | jelly-home | neuro_damage: that's above is using the kernel driver |
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| 17:24.16 | pickcoder | XP didn't like most of the hardware I owned, until I waited long enough to get XP drivers for it |
| 17:24.21 | stew | Ben_Cs: if you are on a 100mb network, the 3com card is likely to be more stable and be more performant |
| 17:24.22 | pickcoder | software will be software |
| 17:24.51 | kenjy | i guys, I have logrotate on a debian server but when it rotate the logs the newer files have root owner, I need to auto set the owner to another user |
| 17:24.54 | kenjy | how can I do this? |
| 17:25.23 | Ben_Cs | well for one thing more experts reside in this channel than in all *buntu channels. so if the network drop persists i'll probably migrate to debian and will bug your all asses off :) |
| 17:25.24 | ma3x | jelly-home, you have windows too? |
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| 17:25.52 | SpeedyG | hey, i'm running debian on one of my desktopmachine, but I want to be able to use some form of remote desktop, is it possible with vnc to take over the current desktop (:0) ? ? |
| 17:26.15 | jelly-home | ma3x: yes |
| 17:26.45 | ma3x | jelly-home, what do you do on windows? |
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| 17:26.56 | muhoo | aha |
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| 17:27.02 | muhoo | umount /mnt/backupusb |
| 17:27.05 | muhoo | cd !$ |
| 17:27.09 | muhoo | ls |
| 17:27.17 | muhoo | <hundreds of megabytes of shit> |
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| 17:27.24 | muhoo | rm -rf /mnt/backupusb/* |
| 17:27.36 | muhoo | df |
| 17:27.39 | jelly-home | ma3x: this isn't exactly topical here. I use MS Office, shared excel files for work, that sort of stuff |
| 17:27.39 | stew | muhoo: stop |
| 17:27.44 | stew | muhoo: do you have a question? |
| 17:27.44 | muhoo | /dev/hda2 950M 217M 685M 25% / |
| 17:27.48 | simonrvn | muhoo: wrong window |
| 17:27.50 | muhoo | telinit 2 :-) |
| 17:27.52 | muhoo | oh |
| 17:27.57 | muhoo | just describing how i solved the problem :-) |
| 17:28.03 | Ronin | i was waiting for the root password :) |
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| 17:28.07 | muhoo | heh |
| 17:28.10 | Skyrail | Ronin: lol |
| 17:28.14 | stew | muhoo: in the future, use a pastebin |
| 17:28.17 | muhoo | sorry |
| 17:28.22 | simonrvn | Ronin: hehehe |
| 17:28.35 | muhoo | i thought it'd be a few lines but it turns out to have taken more steps than i realized at the time :-) |
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| 17:29.29 | muhoo | so, something is wrong with my backup script. i thought i checked to make sure that /mnt/backupusb drive was mounted before running the backups, but i guess not |
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| 17:30.04 | muhoo | this is only like the 4th time in as many years that this has happened. getting senile. every time i have to go through all the steps before figuring it out |
| 17:30.11 | muhoo | thanks |
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| 17:31.35 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, that's right, but I'm getting for the rgeular user the inability to be able to access /dev/sda1 with all permissions on the device turned on |
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| 17:31.48 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, how do I make /dev/sda1 read/write/exec for a regular user period? |
| 17:34.06 | jelly-home | neuro_damage: use uid= to set the ownership of all files, but you still won't be able to write since the driver just doesn't support it |
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| 17:34.59 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, yeah the fuse driver does support it? |
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| 17:36.21 | jelly-home | neuro_damage: ntfs-3g does |
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| 17:39.12 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, so does fuse-ntfs buddy :) |
| 17:39.32 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, I have just tested it, currently though i'm getting this error, ohw do I tell fstab to mount force option. |
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| 17:44.06 | cmacis | Hi, I'm having some trouble with my usb keyboard. The backspace, enter and F9-F12 keys do nothing. They don't even show up as keyevents in xev. |
| 17:44.06 | sam_home | is it possible to get rt61-module (or similar) working in Debian etch? it works in Ubuntu but I cannot find a package in Debian.. |
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| 17:45.42 | stew | sam_home: how did you install it in ubuntu? with module assistant? |
| 17:46.05 | sam_home | i just plugged in the card and it worked |
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| 17:46.28 | CAiRO- | i'm using gnome.. how can i prevent kde apps from starting artsd when i use them? (eg. k3b) |
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| 17:47.52 | stew | sam_home: plug the output of "lcpci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to see if a newer debian kernel would suport it, and if so, we can help ypu properly install a newer kernel onto etch |
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| 17:49.38 | sam_home | stew, I cant do it now - that link looks useful though and i will chase it up tomorrow.. |
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| 17:49.52 | sam_home | (the machine is at work) |
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| 17:50.11 | stew | sam_home: well if we can't get you a debian kernel that works, you can use a ubuntu kernel under debian |
| 17:50.52 | sam_home | really? that surprises me.. I'm up for trying it :) |
| 17:50.54 | pickcoder | sam_home: you can build the module source using module-assistant |
| 17:51.09 | pickcoder | which kernel version did you use it with under Ubuntu |
| 17:51.29 | sam_home | rt61 does not appear in the module list in module-assistant |
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| 17:51.53 | sam_home | pickcoder, not sure will check |
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| 17:52.03 | SpeedyG | Hi, what would you guys suggest for remote-desktop to a debian box running X ? |
| 17:52.13 | cmacis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.29 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: attaching to an already existing X session? |
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| 17:52.47 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: yes |
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| 17:53.17 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: x11vnc and tunnel the vnc port thru ssh |
| 17:53.18 | analfabeta | hi, my debian dont update anymore. . . |
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| 17:53.33 | analfabeta | in 99% of any mirror, freeze |
| 17:53.46 | sam_home | pickcoder, whatever is default in xubuntu feisty - still looking |
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| 17:53.59 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: hm, any good how-to's about that ? |
| 17:54.13 | NelsonFx | SpeedyG, freeNX it's good too |
| 17:54.29 | SpeedyG | NelsonFx: yeah, but that cant take over the current active desktop can it? |
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| 17:56.19 | pickcoder | sam_home: deb <http://sidux.com/debian/> sid main contrib non-free firmware fix.main fix.contrib fix.non-free |
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| 17:56.30 | pickcoder | aptitude install rt61-source rt61-fwcutter |
| 17:56.44 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 17:56.59 | sam_home | Excellent thanks pickcoder |
| 17:57.28 | sam_home | it will then appear in module-assistant?? |
| 17:57.35 | pickcoder | yes |
| 17:57.40 | pickcoder | no clue about stability |
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| 17:57.48 | pickcoder | it's not a debian repos |
| 17:58.03 | sam_home | great, thanks . I really did not want xubuntu :) |
| 17:58.24 | NelsonFx | SpeedyG, ah, right, i forget that |
| 17:58.36 | NelsonFx | SpeedyG, vnc it's for you |
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| 18:00.07 | Shifty | can some 1 explain me why my installation wont go on after i selected the software to install ? (on the scree i can read get file 21 of 21) some 1 a idea? |
| 18:00.17 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: haven't looked for any, sorry. basically: install vnc-common, x11vnc. on the server: create a "rfbauth" password file with "vncpasswd ~/.vnc/passwd". run "x11vnc -display :0 -rfbauth .vnc/passwd -localhost". on client, ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 server-machine. on client, run a vnc client and attach to :0 |
| 18:00.20 | Trewas | anyone have idea why a partition using dm-crypt would be _very_ slow for writing (not cpu or io bound, according to top most of the time is wasted waiting)? that seems to describe my problem http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.device-mapper.dm-crypt/2282 but there are no answers... |
| 18:00.23 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 18:00.27 | stew | sam_home: wait, don't add the repository, just download the one deb from http://sidux.com/debian/pool/main/r/rt61/ and isntall it with dpkg -i, you don't want to mix binary packages compiled for sid by adding that source |
| 18:00.29 | \amethyst | Shifty: one of the mirrors you selected is having a bad day? |
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| 18:01.05 | sam_home | even better - thanks |
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| 18:01.20 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: install vnc-common and x11vnc on the server. on client, install your favorite vnc client |
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| 18:02.20 | Shifty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.24 | Shifty | only disk |
| 18:02.38 | Shifty | downloaded already a new image and burned it! |
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| 18:04.37 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: I have an alias for the x11vnc line on the remote machine, have set up forwarding by default in .ssh/config and am almost always logged in via ssh to that machine, so it's a matter of running the alias, clicking on the vncviewer icon and logging in |
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| 18:05.49 | Phlogi | how can I find out which usb driver (ehci or uhci) this device http://pastebin.ca/730979 is using? |
| 18:06.31 | keith4 | start removing them and see when it stops working ;-) |
| 18:06.46 | Shifty | \amethyst: any idea? |
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| 18:10.28 | simonrvn | had to stick testing at 50, heh |
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| 18:12.00 | mhall | Has anybody got a tip on a good text-based IMAPS client? |
| 18:12.23 | petemc | mutt works |
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| 18:13.10 | mhall | petemc: have you used it? |
| 18:13.14 | petemc | yes |
| 18:13.26 | mhall | petemc: any comment? |
| 18:13.39 | _mauser_ | mhall: mutt is not very intuitive and has not all imap-features, but its ok |
| 18:13.47 | mhall | _mauser_: what's missing? |
| 18:13.50 | petemc | i dont have particularly large mail folders |
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| 18:14.18 | mhall | My problem was I was originally using Gmail but I got tired of it because it's missing things I need. |
| 18:14.19 | petemc | _mauser_: mutt not being intuitive would be an opinion, rather than a fact |
| 18:14.37 | mhall | So I switched to using a Xen VPS with my own Postfix / Dovecot. |
| 18:14.51 | MauL^ | there are several computers connected to internet in my home behind an adsl modem, each using debian. How can I find the IP of these computers from one computer? |
| 18:14.56 | mhall | So now I need the missing thing, a nice textual IMAPS client so I can always get to the mail. |
| 18:15.16 | _mauser_ | mhall: you're right on this. i suppose people new to mutt would miss a folder-like browsing |
| 18:15.17 | petemc | MauL^: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 , adjust to suit |
| 18:15.18 | arturaz | excuse me, perhaps someone can tell me what exactly does 'eth0: freeing mc frame.' and 'protocol 0300 is buggy' messages in kernel log mean? |
| 18:15.18 | mhall | It's amazing how much spam I can block and how few legit mails, just by using the ZEN list. |
| 18:15.44 | _mauser_ | mhall: i use the sidebar, and its great for me |
| 18:16.03 | petemc | mhall: you could run mutt on the vps and access the mail spools directly |
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| 18:17.18 | _mauser_ | petemc: sry, the last messages i addressed to mhall should be adressed to you |
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| 18:17.36 | towski | can anyone help me with a pkg-config issue? |
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| 18:17.48 | MauL^ | petemc, let me check, thanks |
| 18:17.51 | towski | I'm not sure why a build script is relying on it... |
| 18:18.16 | mhall | petemc: Yeah I was think of that but the response time is a bit slow. |
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| 18:18.29 | mne | hi guys. i want to run "expect" inside a shell script and pass it parameters as well. how do i do that ? the expect man page didn't help me a lot |
| 18:18.36 | towski | i'm trying to build barry (for blackberries) from source, but the ./configure is failing because theres no pkg-config file for openssl |
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| 18:19.01 | mhall | petemc: So I am trying to figure if I am better using fetchmail onto another less reliable but faster machine or better toughing it out and going direct to the VPS. |
| 18:19.28 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.33 | dondelelcaro | hrm.. that's not going to work |
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| 18:19.39 | mhall | petemc: I am leaning toward fetchmail to retrieve the remote Maildir from the VPS to another machine that's less reliable, then using mutt as the backup directly on the VPS. |
| 18:20.00 | petemc | mhall: decisions, decisions |
| 18:20.33 | petemc | mhall: mostly, i have mutt reading the mail directly, but imap works ok.. |
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| 18:21.03 | petemc | it pisses me off to use laggy connections, so i wouldnt run mutt on the vps if i were you |
| 18:21.54 | mhall | petemc: Yeah I'm thinking that my plan will be using the VPS as a queue and my less reliable Internet system as the reader point. |
| 18:22.17 | mhall | petemc: On the off chance there's an outage I can read the contents of the Maildir directly or use Mutt and friends on the VPS. |
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| 18:24.16 | jelly-home | mhall: keep the mail remote _and_ have a local copy! |
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| 18:24.46 | mhall | jelly-home: Yeah I'll set that up eventually using the aliases table. |
| 18:25.06 | mhall | jelly-home: Since it's IMAPS I think I could also take care of it somehow with fetchmail. |
| 18:25.12 | Mark17 | is it possible to force the debian 4.0 net install cd to install on a disc that is used for an other linux version? |
| 18:25.23 | jelly-home | mhall: I was more thinking at MUA level, using something like imapsync / offlineimap |
| 18:25.25 | mhall | Mark17: Without deleting? |
| 18:25.32 | mhall | jelly-home: What are those? |
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| 18:25.49 | jelly-home | mhall: sync local tree with remote imap |
| 18:25.52 | Mark17 | mhall: with deleting all current data |
| 18:25.59 | mhall | Mark17: should be easy |
| 18:26.04 | Mark17 | even changing the partition options |
| 18:26.18 | mhall | jelly-home: better to use than fetchmail? |
| 18:26.45 | jelly-home | mhall: I used them in step with fetchmail, to sync occasionally |
| 18:26.55 | Mark17 | lets try it |
| 18:27.00 | mhall | jelly-home: How does one need both? |
| 18:27.06 | Mark17 | it would give me an extra server to use |
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| 18:27.14 | jelly-home | mhall: one doesn't really :-) |
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| 18:27.44 | mhall | Mark17: yeah it's pretty easy to blast the disklabel or specific partitions and redo them |
| 18:28.02 | mhall | Mark17: and the changes are not written until you like the diagram of the disk layout and confirm the write |
| 18:28.02 | jelly-home | mhall: but you can download everything and keep a backup tree remote |
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| 18:28.05 | mhall | Mark17: so it's pretty safe |
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| 18:28.19 | opt | hi, I have a problem with NVidia. I installed the "nvidia" driver and after that the terminals tty1 .. tty6 do not work. |
| 18:28.23 | mhall | jelly-home: ok so how do i choose between those two you mentioned and fetchmail |
| 18:28.34 | mhall | jelly-home: what one do you find best |
| 18:28.40 | opt | with the original "nv" driver, tty1...tty6 used to work but not with "nvidia". |
| 18:28.42 | mhall | !tell opt about doesn't work |
| 18:28.53 | jelly-home | mhall: I'm between solutions, can't really recommend anything |
| 18:29.00 | mhall | jelly-home: any comments at all? |
| 18:29.18 | opt | mhall, doesn't work means, I can't see anything. it has some grains. I can input commands without seeing them. the commands are executed but I can not see the output. |
| 18:29.28 | opt | however X runs fine on tty7 |
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| 18:30.27 | opt | !tell |
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| 18:30.53 | stiv2k | hey what kind of RAM does this old Pentium III (kamite??? or somethign?) use? |
| 18:31.37 | SlackRat | 4.0.041? how much of an 'upgrade'' is that time and mb wise? |
| 18:31.43 | SlackRat | and whydidnt i get a memo? |
| 18:31.48 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 18:31.58 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 18:32.13 | jelly-home | mhall: i had fetchmail acquire all the mail from all the inboxes (multiple accounts), and offlineimap to store a backup copy of the whole tree on a remote imap server... now that I think about it, the latter can be more easily arranged with rsync |
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| 18:32.29 | SlackRat | thought it was 4.0 i nstalled.........havent upgraded snce i installed it a few months ago |
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| 18:32.41 | aksn | hi all |
| 18:32.44 | SlackRat | wondering if its a huge download basically |
| 18:32.47 | mhall | jelly-home: yeah i'm thinking i'll rdiff-backup the entire VPS and call it good |
| 18:32.53 | aksn | i've just updated my system in debian sid x64, and when i start kde, i get the following error: Couldn't find RGB_DB /usr/lib/X11/rgb. any ideas? |
| 18:33.24 | abrotman | aksn: check the bts ? |
| 18:33.36 | mhall | jelly-home: so it sounds like, use fetchmail in my case, since i only need to worry about transferring the mail out of the VPS to my other box |
| 18:33.46 | aksn | abrotman, sorry for my english, what does bts mean? |
| 18:33.48 | SlackRat | oh, its only 104mb thats not bad |
| 18:34.00 | SlackRat | its better to upgrade via aptitude? |
| 18:34.13 | jelly-home | aksn: bugs.debian.org, bug tracking system |
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| 18:35.13 | aksn | mm, so i should know what package is getting this error.. |
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| 18:35.48 | jelly-home | aksn: yeah, but you're an experienced user so you know how to do it (or else you wouldn't be using sid :-) |
| 18:36.08 | SlackRat | and im assuming i should upgrade in telinit3?? |
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| 18:37.10 | abrotman | SlackRat: this isn't slackware |
| 18:37.16 | jelly-home | SlackRat: it's mostly safe to upgrade Debian in multiuser mode. btw, on Debian runlevels 2,3,4,5 are same (by default) |
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| 18:37.56 | SlackRat | ok cool, actually abrotman, i was thinking it was like sidux........safer in init 3 |
| 18:38.17 | SlackRat | i just install a fresh slackware when it comes out |
| 18:38.20 | roxy_ | using fdisk and p I got a line: /dev/hdd13 * 145335 147279 979933+ 83 Linux |
| 18:38.50 | roxy_ | the * is under the boot column, what does it mean ? (no, it is not the bootable partition) |
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| 18:39.08 | Ast001 | it is bootable partition ? |
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| 18:39.32 | jelly-home | roxy_: since it's a logical partition, it doesn't mean anything. |
| 18:39.34 | wols | roxy_: it has the boot flag set however |
| 18:39.50 | roxy_ | ok, thanks everybody. |
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| 18:40.08 | SlackRat | upgrade underway, thanks guys |
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| 18:40.21 | jakub_ | hi |
| 18:40.23 | jakub_ | please i have problem |
| 18:40.32 | jakub_ | Where i can find what type of chroot is it |
| 18:40.38 | jelly-home | roxy_: if you had a MS-DOS compatible master boot sector code, it would try to boot from it. if you have grub or lilo, it doesn't matter |
| 18:40.41 | jakub_ | if i write uname -a it`s still x86_64 |
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| 18:41.20 | jelly-home | jakub_: dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 18:41.21 | wols | jakub_: file <executable file> |
| 18:41.40 | jakub_ | thxx |
| 18:41.51 | jakub_ | yeah i386 :) |
| 18:41.54 | jakub_ | i was worried |
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| 18:42.23 | jelly-home | sparc has those "linux32" wrappers to make userspace think it's on a real 32bit machine |
| 18:42.36 | jelly-home | I think x86-64 has something like that too |
| 18:43.32 | jakub_ | dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
| 18:43.32 | jakub_ | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 |
| 18:43.32 | jakub_ | dpkg: error processing skype-debian_1.4.0.118-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 18:43.32 | jakub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.32 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 18:43.44 | devilchaos | hi does anyone know why fglrx-kernel driver is throwing out a dependancy conflict with xserver at the moment because it is asking for an xserver version greater than 1:7.1.0 |
| 18:43.44 | jakub_ | sorry i want to paste it to paster |
| 18:44.26 | devilchaos | and i have version 1:7.3+2 |
| 18:44.30 | wols | devilchaos: ask ati. you didn't use a debian fglrx, did you? |
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| 18:44.56 | devilchaos | wols:how do you mean |
| 18:44.58 | devilchaos | ? |
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| 18:46.42 | gmcinnes | howto remove a directory called -la ? |
| 18:46.49 | devilchaos | wols:? |
| 18:46.49 | dondelelcaro | gmcinnes: rm -- -la |
| 18:46.52 | dondelelcaro | gmcinnes: man rm |
| 18:47.08 | gmcinnes | thx |
| 18:47.13 | jakub_ | http://pastebin.ca/731027 |
| 18:47.16 | jakub_ | please can anyoe help me ? |
| 18:47.38 | _Schlumpf | is it possible to prevent the installation of a package, e.g. if one is recommened by another package? |
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| 18:49.33 | devilchaos | even if i do try and install the debian package it wont let me through dselect |
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| 18:50.55 | valdyn | devilchaos: ati is often behind X versions |
| 18:50.59 | devilchaos | for the fglrx driver i mean |
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| 18:51.06 | devilchaos | ah |
| 18:51.15 | aksn | hi again :) |
| 18:51.26 | devilchaos | so the package maintainer hasent updated it yet is what you are saying? |
| 18:51.37 | valdyn | devilchaos: no, ati hasnt is what im saying |
| 18:51.49 | valdyn | devilchaos: though i dont know what ati has.. im saying that ATI is late often |
| 18:52.01 | valdyn | devilchaos: i didn't look up their driver website just now |
| 18:52.03 | aksn | i've seen there are many tricks and hacks to downgrade the system. is there any official way to downgrade from sid to testing? |
| 18:52.24 | valdyn | aksn: no |
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| 18:52.39 | aksn | or any recommendable how to |
| 18:52.45 | devilchaos | reinstall only which is a bummer :( |
| 18:52.49 | valdyn | aksn: downgrading will never be supported, smooth upgrading is plenty hard |
| 18:52.54 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.06 | valdyn | aksn: there is no recommendable way, its always a hack |
| 18:53.26 | aksn | mm, right, thanks |
| 18:53.41 | valdyn | aksn: and a difficult hack when libc6 is involved |
| 18:53.46 | Ronin | !tell aksn about downgrade |
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| 18:57.37 | databuddy | hey |
| 18:57.42 | databuddy | whats the slowest debian repo |
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| 18:58.35 | aksn | valdyn, do you think downgrading libc6 from 2.6.1-5 to 2.6.1-1 could be hard? |
| 18:58.40 | wols | mine on dialup |
| 18:59.10 | wols | aksn: just don't do it. wait 5 weeks or so and the current sid libc6 will be the testing one |
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| 18:59.45 | aksn | so if i wait a month or so, i could change my sources and i'd be in testing? |
| 19:00.22 | wols | no. you change your sources now |
| 19:00.27 | sepski | databuddy, a local repo of oldstable+stable+testing+unstable and experimental including sources, that you must copy using floppies, becouse your lan is not connected. and you only have a single floppy so you must reuse it all the time, and there is a 2h drive to the closes internet connected machine. why do you ask ? |
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| 19:00.32 | wols | and wait a month or so and you have testing software only |
| 19:00.32 | valdyn | aksn: no, but your libc6 would be <= testing hopefully |
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| 19:01.00 | databuddy | sepski 'cause i got me a nice site that has lots of space and like 5TB bw a month |
| 19:01.06 | aksn | allright, i'll try it, thanks again! |
| 19:01.09 | databuddy | and wanted to donate space/bw or so |
| 19:01.15 | databuddy | couldnt be a full repo but |
| 19:01.19 | databuddy | like a full arch |
| 19:01.31 | databuddy | but say multimedia or something or equivalent mebbie... |
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| 19:02.39 | Ast001 | is there any chance to convert RealPlayer files to ogg with mencoder ? |
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| 19:03.35 | ampex | I have an ext3 filesystem on lvm mounted that is presented from a storage array to two servers. One server A I have it mounted read/write and on server B I have it mounted read only. This way, I can export out database from machine A and import it from machine B. |
| 19:04.01 | ampex | Unfortunately, when I make changes to the filesystem on server A they don't show up on server B unless I unmount and remount on server B. Does this seem normal? |
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| 19:05.57 | Skyrail | Where would I find the php5-cgi file in order for me to enable PHP useage with lighttpd? |
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| 19:07.05 | GNU\colossus | which php |
| 19:07.09 | GNU\colossus | which php-cgi |
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| 19:08.31 | ampex | Does linux not check read-only filesystems for updates? |
| 19:08.34 | ampex | or is it lvm causing my issue? |
| 19:08.41 | Skyrail | Don't know, I just need to know the bin-path for php-cgi, not really that informative, I just presume it's the php5-cgi file, I don't know much about what files are used where...no idea where to learn from |
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| 19:09.05 | sewi | hello, anybody knows a program in debian to extract some pages from a pdf file? |
| 19:09.13 | wols | dpkg -L php5-cgi|grep bin |
| 19:09.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching php5-cgi|grep bin |
| 19:09.15 | abrotman | maybe pdftk |
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| 19:09.28 | wols | sewi: what output format? |
| 19:09.42 | sewi | wols: preferably pdf |
| 19:09.43 | Yarou | Skyrail, iirc it's php-fcgi |
| 19:09.50 | wols | then pdftk as abrotman said |
| 19:09.56 | sewi | thanks |
| 19:10.15 | Skyrail | Yarou: the file to find or the file to install? |
| 19:10.30 | Yarou | Skyrail, both |
| 19:10.47 | Skyrail | It doesn't exist, but php5-cgi does :/ |
| 19:11.05 | Skyrail | "php5-cgi is already the newest version." |
| 19:11.09 | Yarou | what version of lighttpd? |
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| 19:12.02 | Skyrail | Erm, how'd I find out? It's updated to the newest one available on Etch Stable I think, at least there are no updates available |
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| 19:12.53 | sid | What is good manual development software? for making a support guide for a particular product, for people who don't know about the product |
| 19:12.56 | Yarou | Skyrail, i had the exact same problem you're speaking of, and to the best of my knowledge, it was fcgi |
| 19:12.57 | sid | heh |
| 19:13.09 | sid | Like, if this is happening.. do this.. etc. with pictures of pc boards and things like that added |
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| 19:13.26 | rahul | sid: I use latex. ymmv. |
| 19:13.31 | Skyrail | Yarou: ok, I'll have a look around for it, thanks. At the moment it just asks me to download any php files as opposed to run them |
| 19:13.34 | rahul | maybe docbook will be more fun for you |
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| 19:13.46 | Yarou | Skyrail, gimme a minute |
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| 19:14.22 | l0xar | i am looking for /etc/iftab and am unable to find it. does debian have a different file that stores the MAC address for each interface? |
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| 19:15.24 | wols | l0xar: debian has no file of that sort |
| 19:15.31 | wols | l0xar: ifconfig |
| 19:15.55 | stew | l0xar: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:15.57 | quitte | hi. i've set up a nfsv4 server usingkerberos authentication. but now i'm a little confused. will it check for every single users credentials? or is it just another way to check if the machine is allowed to mount? |
| 19:16.14 | stew | l0xar: or wat exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 19:17.00 | dcnoye | gpg -abs -o Release.gpg Release --- gives me error --- gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available ---- any ideas, i do have gpg and a key not sure were to go from here |
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| 19:17.25 | Skyrail | Yarou: erm, nevermind seem to have fixed it >_> |
| 19:17.34 | Yarou | Skyrail, that's good |
| 19:17.47 | Skyrail | Yeh, 'twas never broken, me being extremely stupid again |
| 19:17.59 | l0xar | wols & stew> i have a vmware esx and one vm is running debian, i moved the .vmx file off the local box to a sans and now none of my interfaces are showing. when i do ifconfig nothing shows even when i bounce the networking and i even went as far as the reinstall the vmware tools - no go. |
| 19:18.08 | Skyrail | Yarou: thanks for the time anyways |
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| 19:18.36 | wols | l0xar: do what stew told you (the z25 thing). ifconfig -a will show them to you btw |
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| 19:20.29 | Haris | Hello people |
| 19:20.33 | guillaume1 | does xsane and canon lide35 works under lenny ? I try the trick with scanbuttond but my scans and previews stay black... :( |
| 19:21.44 | Haris | When I paste something in vi with tabs (\t) or spaces, a deformed shape of the paste it pasted. When I do the same paste on vi on rhel/fedora, fbsd boxes, they get pasted fine. Did I miss some configuration of vi or miss a needed package? |
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| 19:22.11 | GNU\colossus | Haris: tried :set paste yet? |
| 19:22.13 | abrotman | it's not deformed .. |
| 19:22.14 | amphi | Haris: try ':set paste' before pasting |
| 19:22.18 | GNU\colossus | (in vim, that is) |
| 19:22.30 | Haris | wow |
| 19:22.38 | Haris | long list of config set on vi |
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| 19:22.44 | amphi | Haris: :set nopaste to turn that off |
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| 19:23.45 | l0xar | wols> ok, i see the interfaces. its like i have added new equipment and is now showing instead of eth0 & eth1 i now have eth2 & eth3 - is there a way to change the names of the interfaces back to 0 & 1? |
| 19:23.57 | stew | l0xar: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:24.05 | Haris | hmm.. I believe nopaste is on for a reason? security issue? |
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| 19:24.25 | stew | Haris: i doubt that very much |
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| 19:24.41 | Haris | Ok |
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| 19:25.39 | l0xar | stew> thanks. |
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| 19:27.57 | neuro_damage | how do I get a version of the kernel that doesn't use 4k stacks? without recompiling the whole thing? |
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| 19:28.25 | Haris | I have syslog filled with these entries; |
| 19:28.25 | Haris | Oct 9 12:16:12 sglhrcvs -- MARK -- |
| 19:28.30 | Haris | what does it mean? |
| 19:28.32 | stew | Haris: /msg dpkg mark |
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| 19:29.15 | Haris | Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs <- ? |
| 19:29.52 | sid | heh |
| 19:30.03 | ringo999_ | hi when im trying to start nm-applet (network-manager-gnome) from within xfce as root (under debian etch) i get the follow error message: http://pastebin.ca/731082 |
| 19:30.06 | ringo999_ | what could that be? |
| 19:30.07 | sid | It's a joke Haris |
| 19:30.13 | Haris | SYSLOGD is used but not defined |
| 19:30.18 | Haris | $SYSLOGD |
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| 19:30.28 | stew | !mark =~ s#Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. ## |
| 19:30.29 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 19:31.00 | cr3 | is there a way to determine the memory usage of a particular process repeatedly? top is nice but I'd like to log this information |
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| 19:31.07 | stew | ringo999_: don't start it as root, add your user to the netdev group and start it as the user |
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| 19:32.24 | stew | cr3: something like "ps -o vsize $pid" |
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| 19:33.14 | stew | cr3: note, vsize might not be exactly what you are looking for. if you want to watch it like top use "watch ps -o vsize pid" |
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| 19:37.07 | ringo999_ | stew: ok i did that, here is the new error message: http://pastebin.ca/731091 |
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| 19:37.52 | neuro_damage | if anyone can tell me how to install a kernel image with a < 4K stack size that's be awesome. |
| 19:38.06 | stew | ringo999_: does "groups" list "netdev" ? |
| 19:38.10 | maddash | > |
| 19:38.11 | ringo999_ | yes |
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| 19:38.37 | ringo999_ | stew: ups sorry |
| 19:38.40 | ringo999_ | something went wrong |
| 19:38.44 | ringo999_ | let me try it again |
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| 19:39.16 | stew | ringo999_: i don't really know. is this etch? |
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| 19:39.46 | D15 | Hi,реорlе!Whеrе аrе уоu frоm? |
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| 19:40.09 | stew | D15: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:40.10 | Haris | What font is that? |
| 19:40.14 | ameyer | o_O |
| 19:40.16 | Haris | seems to be a bot to me |
| 19:40.27 | ameyer | lookss like some wierd unicode sh** |
| 19:40.36 | ameyer | weird? |
| 19:40.45 | D15 | Yеs.I hаvе |
| 19:40.56 | ameyer | o_O |
| 19:41.12 | stew | D15: please stick to ascii / english. if you ahve a debian related question, please ask it, otherwise, please move on |
| 19:41.24 | ringo999_ | stew: its very strange. my user appers in the netdev group in /etc/group. however, when i open a new shell and type group, he is not in there. su -l user, and then group shows netdev again, i guess i have to logout and log in again? |
| 19:41.39 | stew | ringo999_: yes, you have to logout and back in |
| 19:41.46 | ringo999_ | stew: ok brb |
| 19:42.21 | D15 | Stеw,you аrе fool! |
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| 19:42.35 | jelly-home | I still thinks it's a bot :-) |
| 19:43.01 | stew | a bot woulnd't take so long to input utf-8 |
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| 19:43.42 | ringo999_ | stew: ok, still same error, this is etch indeed |
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| 19:44.12 | stew | ringo999_: i've never used it under etch. you might check /usr/share/doc/network-manager |
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| 19:44.44 | jelly-home | stew: ah, I didn't even notice what was weird about that line |
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| 19:44.56 | APlusHost | Suddenly now when i start Debian instead of going into Gnome Once booted im displayed with a login comand promt. |
| 19:45.06 | ameyer | jelly-home: umm, for what it's worth, I don't think d15 is a bot, just usiing some weird java IRC client for mobile phones |
| 19:45.09 | APlusHost | I then have to login and use "startx" |
| 19:45.21 | jduggan | APlusHost: sounds like gdm isnt starting on boot |
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| 19:45.32 | APlusHost | How can i set it to start. |
| 19:45.37 | APlusHost | It used to start fine on boot. |
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| 19:46.10 | simonrvn | gdm got removed? |
| 19:46.13 | Xyhthyx | How do I enable direct rendering using the radeon driver? |
| 19:46.27 | APlusHost | Well it starts fine once i run "startx" |
| 19:46.33 | APlusHost | It just don't start at bootup./ |
| 19:46.38 | jelly-home | Xyhthyx: which card do you have? |
| 19:46.49 | simonrvn | i'm not talking about startx |
| 19:46.55 | Xyhthyx | Radeon IGP 340M |
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| 19:47.15 | APlusHost | "simonrvn" u talking to me? |
| 19:47.24 | stew | Xyhthyx: which driver are you using? |
| 19:47.36 | Xyhthyx | stew: "radeon" driver |
| 19:47.55 | Xyhthyx | I noticed I'm missing a "DRI" section on my xorg.conf, is that necessary? |
| 19:47.57 | dondelelcaro | APlusHost: you've removed gdm or xdm or whatever DM you were using or have otherwise disabled it |
| 19:48.07 | dondelelcaro | APlusHost: reinstall a DM if you want X to start when you boot |
| 19:48.12 | stew | Xyhthyx: make sure the "radeon" kernel driver is loaded. you can load it with "modprobe radeon" and make sure it loads automatically when you reboot by adding it to /etc/modules |
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| 19:48.26 | jelly-home | Xyhthyx: some cards only have experimental support for DRI with free drivers, like my Xpress 200. I bet the shared memory IGP has similar nonsupport |
| 19:48.29 | APlusHost | Ah i see. |
| 19:48.36 | APlusHost | Thanks. |
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| 19:48.46 | databuddy | ok so back to it |
| 19:48.53 | stew | Xyhthyx: install mesa-utils and run "glxinfo | grep -i direct" to check if direct rendering is working |
| 19:48.57 | Xyhthyx | jelly-home: lsmod | grep radeon returns radeon as loaded. |
| 19:48.57 | databuddy | any projects that need a good mirror? |
| 19:49.10 | jelly-home | Xyhthyx: you reading my mind! |
| 19:49.37 | Xyhthyx | stew: I was wondering which package had glxinfo. Direct Rendering is turned off, says so in hardinfo. |
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| 19:49.55 | jelly-home | Xyhthyx: mesa-utils |
| 19:50.25 | Xyhthyx | It's installing.. |
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| 19:50.51 | ringo999_ | hmm... trying to unzip a file... but unzipping is skipped with following message "need PK compat. v4.5 (can do v2.1)" |
| 19:50.52 | Xyhthyx | Direct Rendering was on by default in other distros :/ |
| 19:51.00 | ringo999_ | how can that be? |
| 19:51.19 | neuro_damage | jelly-home, any idea how to get rid of kernel <4k stack? |
| 19:51.52 | themill | ringo999_: have you asked google about this? |
| 19:51.54 | Xyhthyx | stew: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 19:51.56 | jelly-home | neuro_damage: rebuild the kernel without that option, no way around it |
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| 19:52.23 | ringo999_ | themill: now i have ;-) |
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| 19:53.20 | xingu | neat |
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| 19:53.50 | xingu | this nvidia OnDemandVBlankInterrupts actually does what it says on the tin |
| 19:53.58 | assasukasse | hi all, is there someone that has compiled transmission 0.7 for etch? i tried in the backports, there is 0.7 version but only 64bit..nobody has ever compiled the 32 bit.. |
| 19:54.05 | bahadunn | /dev/sda5 /home is 100% used, /dev/sda6 /home/foo is 80%. However there is only a user directory with nothing in it in /home besides /home/foo |
| 19:54.13 | bahadunn | any ideas why its at 100%? |
| 19:54.33 | foo | bahadunn: Wow, you have a /home/foo after me? Thanks :) |
| 19:54.47 | bahadunn | foo: no problem |
| 19:54.49 | jelly-home | xingu: software that does what it says, shock horror! |
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| 19:55.21 | simonrvn | heh |
| 19:55.32 | bahadunn | I cannot seem to grasp the idea of /home being 100% in use when there is nothing in it besides /home/foo which is seperate device partition and mountpoint |
| 19:55.48 | bahadunn | very perplexing |
| 19:55.50 | lindylex | hello all |
| 19:55.51 | simonrvn | open files |
| 19:56.01 | jelly-home | bahadunn: lsof -n | grep deleted |
| 19:56.08 | jelly-home | (as root) |
| 19:56.18 | lindylex | what is the pacakge name with a english gui dictionary? |
| 19:56.27 | foo | bahadunn: run mount. is the drive with /home mounted anywhere else? |
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| 19:57.12 | bahadunn | /dev/sda5 on /home type reiserfs (rw) |
| 19:57.24 | bahadunn | /dev/drbd0 on /home/data type reiserfs (rw) |
| 19:57.27 | bahadunn | thats it |
| 19:57.50 | bahadunn | weird |
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| 20:00.10 | jelly-home | bahadunn: if lsof didn't show any deleted files ... try unmounting /home/data and see if there's something hidden beneath the mount point |
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| 20:01.30 | bahadunn | jelly-home: I cannot umount /home/data |
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| 20:01.46 | bahadunn | jelly-home: it is a drbd0 share and its syncing with secondary host right now |
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| 20:02.32 | jelly-home | bahadunn: "schedule downtime" |
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| 20:03.28 | stew | jelly-home: he's saying the equivalant of "i don't want to pull one of the drives out of this raid array while its in the middle or rebuilding" |
| 20:03.46 | bahadunn | yeah |
| 20:03.50 | bahadunn | thats right |
| 20:04.44 | cor | Hi. Starting with an amd64 dom0, I'm (still) looking to build a i386 dom0... what's the best way to go about this? |
| 20:05.00 | jelly-home | stew, bahadunn: got that, but know of no other way to see what's beneath a mount point |
| 20:05.15 | stew | yeah, dunno |
| 20:05.18 | jelly-home | therefore, "schedule downtime" |
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| 20:05.35 | bahadunn | it will have to be done tomorrow once we do the primary secondary switchover |
| 20:05.37 | stew | and when do we get to start ridiculing reiserfs again? :P |
| 20:05.40 | bahadunn | got to love clusters |
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| 20:05.56 | bahadunn | stew: thats anytime is a good time for that I reckon |
| 20:05.59 | jelly-home | stew: I tried to ignore that bit :-) |
| 20:06.12 | bahadunn | stew: I wish we had ext3 on this to be honest |
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| 20:06.35 | HardDisk_WP | i have 6 pdf's, each containing a DIN A0 page |
| 20:06.41 | HardDisk_WP | can I join them into one pdf? |
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| 20:06.54 | jelly-home | bahadunn: whatever you do with it, 1) have backups (raid is not a replacement for backups) and 2) don't fill it up to more tham 85% ever |
| 20:07.13 | stew | its at 100% now, right? |
| 20:07.24 | jelly-home | stew: no, /home is |
| 20:07.25 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, why shouldnt I fill a raid to more than 85%? |
| 20:07.35 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: not raid. reiserfs |
| 20:07.49 | HardDisk_WP | ah k |
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| 20:08.41 | bahadunn | stew: yeah |
| 20:08.52 | bahadunn | stew: /home is 100% |
| 20:09.11 | bahadunn | jelly-home: we do not have any place for 700GB other then the two dataservers in raid 1 |
| 20:09.23 | bahadunn | jelly-home: and the servers themselves have raid as well |
| 20:09.37 | bahadunn | raid 1 is drbd network raid 1 |
| 20:09.50 | jelly-home | bahadunn: el cheapo sata 750GB disk oughta be enough to keep a single copy, ne? |
| 20:09.53 | bahadunn | that is what is syncing right now after sarge to etch upgrade |
| 20:10.10 | bahadunn | jelly-home: alas my boss and I do not see eye to eye on some things :) |
| 20:10.29 | bahadunn | jelly-home: I wanted a 1TB drive but apparently my boss thinks they are no good |
| 20:11.00 | jelly-home | bahadunn: I think 500-750 is current sweet spot |
| 20:11.25 | bahadunn | jelly-home: 1TB hitachi drive is only $399 |
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| 20:11.38 | bahadunn | with perpendicular recording too |
| 20:11.44 | Haris | reloading bind9 I got nothing in syslog |
| 20:11.51 | bahadunn | Haris: thats weird |
| 20:11.54 | jelly-home | bahadunn: as for 85%, I've seen irreversible performance degradation when reiser v3 got filled to about 93%. After cleaning it down to 60%, it was still sluggish |
| 20:11.57 | Haris | does bind9 log nothing to syslog out of the box? |
| 20:12.02 | bahadunn | Haris: if bind is not logging you are in for some real fun |
| 20:12.10 | bahadunn | Haris: no it always logs something |
| 20:12.20 | bahadunn | Haris: check /var/log/daemon.log as well |
| 20:12.43 | bahadunn | jelly-home: ok I will make a note of that |
| 20:12.47 | Haris | Yep, its going to daemon.log |
| 20:12.56 | bahadunn | jelly-home: this is our mirrors cluster so I guess fedora will get deleted before debian ;) |
| 20:13.08 | bahadunn | Haris: thats good |
| 20:13.22 | bahadunn | Haris: its very difficult to know whats going on if bind is not logging at all |
| 20:13.32 | bahadunn | Haris: and would indicate bind is very broken if not logging |
| 20:13.49 | jelly-home | bahadunn: how's drbd working out? |
| 20:13.53 | Haris | how do I make it to log only to syslog? |
| 20:13.58 | bahadunn | jelly-home: its been fine |
| 20:14.05 | bahadunn | jelly-home: have been using it for some time now |
| 20:14.17 | bahadunn | jelly-home: it works well along side heartbeat |
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| 20:14.21 | jelly-home | cheaper than vxfs / veritas cluster, that's for sure :-) |
| 20:14.24 | Haris | 2) What's the difference between mail.info, mail.warn, mail.err? |
| 20:14.29 | bahadunn | yes for sure that is true |
| 20:14.46 | bahadunn | Haris: dont worry about making bind log to syslog |
| 20:14.59 | bahadunn | Haris: its meant to log to daemon.log so just monitor daemon.log |
| 20:15.13 | Haris | noted. |
| 20:15.19 | bahadunn | Haris: there should be some bind output in syslog but daemon.log is usually more informative |
| 20:15.20 | Haris | Still! .. how do I do it? |
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| 20:17.02 | bahadunn | Haris: you would have to modify syslog.conf I believe |
| 20:17.03 | ladydoor | Hi; does anybody here know of some sort of LED daemon control program or something which could be used to, say, light up the caps lock LED any time my laptop is plugged in? (I don't use caps lock, so it's no loss there) |
| 20:17.13 | Haris | yep, that much I know |
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| 20:17.28 | Haris | what I don't is what I have to put there |
| 20:17.30 | Haris | *laugh* |
| 20:17.42 | bahadunn | well I am off |
| 20:17.51 | bahadunn | have to come back to this once drbd is done syncing |
| 20:18.03 | bahadunn | later debianites |
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| 20:20.42 | gileswwwrk | heya all |
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| 20:20.52 | gileswwwrk | anyone using the ath5k wireless driver? |
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| 20:22.43 | Enverex | This is a remote stretch, but does anyone here have an X-Fi and use x86_64? |
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| 20:23.12 | Nihill | X-Fi? |
| 20:24.03 | Enverex | Nihill, It's a sound-card |
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| 20:24.39 | gileswwwrk | ahh i've been wondering about that driver |
| 20:24.57 | gileswwwrk | couldn't believe soundblaster had made a driver for linux |
| 20:25.21 | gileswwwrk | i've got a x-fi but I've not used it under linux yet |
| 20:26.20 | ladydoor | Anyone know of an LED controller which can be set up to respond to arbitrary events of the user's choice? |
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| 20:26.38 | ladydoor | (for controlling, say, the Caps Lock LED?) |
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| 20:27.33 | Enverex | gileswwwrk, Creative did, Sound Blaster is the line of cards :P |
| 20:27.46 | beardy | ladydoor: Yes, and I'm sure apt-cache search led will tell you too.. |
| 20:28.07 | gileswwwrk | lol brain not engaged |
| 20:28.26 | gileswwwrk | is there a hoover driver for linux? |
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| 20:28.41 | Nihill | are there any sites that mention how compatible certain models of laptop are with linux/debian? |
| 20:28.49 | Enverex | gileswwwrk, I wanted a card better than my original Audigy and I managed to get an X-Fi Elite Pro (sans external box) for £65, which was nice |
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| 20:29.06 | gileswwwrk | yea i'm please with my x-fi |
| 20:29.15 | gileswwwrk | at least it was good in the 1 game I played |
| 20:29.58 | gileswwwrk | my whole pc is a complete waste of time these days I only ever use it to ssh |
| 20:30.39 | gileswwwrk | pisses me off that I can't get a digital output from the x-fi though |
| 20:30.45 | gileswwwrk | without that outboard thing |
| 20:31.04 | gileswwwrk | they could have just put and optical out on the back |
| 20:31.39 | gileswwwrk | i use my terratec card for playing music and movies |
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| 20:32.08 | ladydoor | beardy: Yeah, it's just that search terms like "led," "control," and "led control" tend to spit out a mere, oh, 2245 lines or so (actual result from search led). Thus the request for tips. |
| 20:33.24 | Haris | I changed the serial for a zone and restart bind9 |
| 20:33.29 | Haris | why didn't it notify the slave? |
| 20:33.36 | Haris | nothing in daemon.log too |
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| 20:34.06 | sepski | Haris, update the serial and run, rnds reload do you allow notify in the config ? |
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| 20:34.07 | ryushe | afaik you have to tell bind it should actually do so so Haris |
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| 20:34.12 | sepski | rndc reload |
| 20:35.06 | Haris | sepski: I have notify yes; for the zone |
| 20:35.18 | Haris | I did a /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
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| 20:35.42 | ryushe | bind9 restart != rndc reload |
| 20:35.45 | Haris | no notify/update activity for the slave |
| 20:35.59 | dagbrown | Alright, what do I need to do to lenny to get amarok to play my m4a files? |
| 20:36.01 | Haris | ryushe: should be, rndc reload only re-reads the config file |
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| 20:38.01 | Haris | My config -> http://pastebin.ca/731167 |
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| 20:38.45 | Haris | Any ideas? |
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| 20:43.57 | tarrybone | !grounding |
| 20:43.57 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 20:44.22 | dagbrown | So...about those m4a files... |
| 20:45.32 | stew | Haris: check /var/log/daemon.log on both machines |
| 20:45.35 | Supaplex | So...about that mind reading class I failed... |
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| 20:45.49 | Haris | stew: ..already did |
| 20:45.55 | Haris | the slave box is rhel |
| 20:45.56 | Supaplex | !tell dagbrown -about ask |
| 20:45.59 | Haris | no activity in log |
| 20:46.15 | Haris | neither on master, nor on slave |
| 20:46.22 | dagbrown | Supaplex: I did, moments ago, nobody answered. Check your scrollback. |
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| 20:47.00 | Supaplex | oh, I did but missed it |
| 20:47.27 | Supaplex | I've used mplayer mostly. I don't recall having issues with much of anything. |
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| 20:47.54 | stew | Haris: you should at least see it load the zone in daemon.log |
| 20:48.02 | dagbrown | grumble |
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| 20:48.09 | dagbrown | mplayer makes a terrible audio player |
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| 20:48.18 | Haris | yep, that its doing |
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| 20:48.35 | Haris | must hit the sac |
| 20:48.39 | Haris | will check it tomorrow |
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| 20:48.51 | stew | Haris: the old serial or the new serial? does it say "sending notifies"? or whatever? |
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| 20:53.05 | wad | Hello debian people. Is this the place to get support for this distro? |
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| 20:53.29 | stew | wad: yes |
| 20:53.33 | wad | Kewl. |
| 20:53.45 | cor | isn't there mailing lists too? |
| 20:53.56 | stew | cor: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user |
| 20:54.05 | cor | oh, cool |
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| 20:55.00 | Shifty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:55.25 | cor | wad so now you have 2 good places |
| 20:55.30 | wad | :) |
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| 20:55.39 | wad | I was actually just showing off how useful IRC was to some co-workers. |
| 20:55.47 | wad | They are suitable impressed. |
| 20:55.51 | wad | suitably, even. |
| 20:56.06 | ringo999_ | what is the top parameter if i want the list sorted by cpu usage? |
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| 20:56.13 | cor | hi some co-workers |
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| 20:57.33 | bazz | if i have something mounted with sshfs and i want new files to be created with a particular uid/gid, how do i do that? i've tried -ouid=id and -ogid=id but it doesn't seem to work |
| 20:57.34 | sdubois92 | I am trying to install Pidgin from source, but it isnt working. I ran ./configure but it didnt work, every other program i have tried to install from source hasnt worked either |
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| 20:59.14 | cor | wad but also irc can be addictive, any time an irc window is within my sight it says read me... talk to me... |
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| 20:59.32 | ryushe | anyone here that can explain to me (with regards to load orders of modules) the difference between rescue boot mode and default boot mode? Reason I ask, machine will boot in rescue mode, not in default mode, due to (I think) the drivers/modules for my specific RAID card not being loaded before the filesystem gets mounted |
| 20:59.44 | wad | I have a file called ahem.wav that played whenever someone says "wad". |
| 20:59.56 | wad | So I keep the window in the background unless I'm typing into it. |
| 21:00.02 | gkiagia | sdubois92: apt-get build-essential |
| 21:00.06 | cor | nice |
| 21:00.11 | maddash | sdubois92: apt-get build-dep pidgin |
| 21:00.12 | dagbrown | wad: never mention that you have something like that |
| 21:00.13 | gkiagia | sdubois92: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:00.24 | dagbrown | Because you'll just have people saying "wad" just to annoy you. |
| 21:00.30 | wad | I was wondering how long it would take until someone realized they could abuse it... ;) |
| 21:00.47 | maddash | wad |
| 21:00.50 | cor | the instant you said it :) |
| 21:00.54 | maddash | damn middle click |
| 21:01.03 | Ronin | wad |
| 21:01.08 | Ronin | snicker |
| 21:01.15 | Ronin | small things simple minds |
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| 21:01.36 | maddash | Ronin: isn't it the othe rway around? |
| 21:01.37 | Guerin | Ronin: i prefer `stupid is as stupid does' |
| 21:01.46 | Ronin | Guerin: that as well |
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| 21:02.32 | sdubois92 | i installed build-essential but when i run make it saus no targets specified |
| 21:02.41 | sdubois92 | i am cd in the right directory |
| 21:02.51 | cor | is there a makefile |
| 21:03.05 | maddash | !build package |
| 21:03.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, build package is 'dpkg-buildpackage' or 'apt-get -b source <pkg>' |
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| 21:03.44 | sdubois92 | makefile.in makfile.in makefile.mingw |
| 21:04.43 | sdubois92 | makefile.am |
| 21:04.48 | cor | so there's not something called makefile with no .in... I think when the package is built it calls configure for you, which creates the makefile |
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| 21:05.27 | maddash | "bloatware"? patently untrue |
| 21:05.27 | cor | but more than that it then uses it to build the software and then make a package out of it |
| 21:05.49 | cor | the package file is usually one dir outside |
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| 21:05.53 | e1z0 | http://www.l4m3rz.com:8000/listen.m3u |
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| 21:07.05 | maddash | I've learned long ago to ignore random links posted over this channel |
| 21:07.54 | Ronin | maddash: porn or warz or some stupid game which do you think it is? |
| 21:08.07 | maddash | Ronin: it's an m3u. porno. |
| 21:08.07 | cor | something to listen to? |
| 21:08.11 | marcus_ | hello, I have a problem with my network card, BCM5751, using the tg3 driver, it doesn't want to work when cold booting with this /etc/network/interfaces file: \n allow-hotplug eth2 \n iface eth2 inet dhcp \n if I comment out the first line I can get the device up manually after cold boot, but ofcourse this is rather annoying. So my quesiton is if this is a common problem and if so how do I fix it? Otherwise how do I just come around the prob |
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| 21:09.34 | cor | marcus_: finding out what is the problem is good |
| 21:09.40 | ameyer | maddash: well, it's actully probably streaming audio |
| 21:09.44 | cor | err add another is |
| 21:09.48 | ryushe | I've got an Adaptec 2110S hardware RAID card. Install went fine, rebooting results in only rescue mode working, default boot option returns bunch of errors about not being able to init an I2O raid device. Any suggestions? |
| 21:09.55 | zaius | hi all, i think i have a mismatch between my kernel and libc, anyone know how to fix it? i'm getting this error msg when i run mail: send-mail: relocation error: send-mail: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
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| 21:10.26 | marcus_ | cor, which log file would you advice me to check? |
| 21:10.38 | ameyer | I've never seen pr0n delivered over m3u, although, it's probably theoretically possible |
| 21:10.55 | gkiagia | marcus_: I have a BCM5789 with tg3 and works just fine with debian |
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| 21:11.07 | gkiagia | so it's not a common problem imho |
| 21:11.15 | cor | not sure... what happens exactly? |
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| 21:12.07 | marcus_ | gkiagia, ok thanks, then it ought to be somekind of hardware problem, maybe it's getting lazy and system doesn't wait long enough for it to get up during boot? |
| 21:12.08 | Stalwart | i wonder if there's security advisory RSS for etch? |
| 21:12.28 | Guerin | Stalwart: rss is for podcasts |
| 21:12.38 | Guerin | Stalwart: real men get debian-security-announce |
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| 21:13.18 | peterS | so he needs an email to rss gateway so he can subscribe to it using his rss to email gateway |
| 21:13.27 | ameyer | o_O |
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| 21:13.48 | Stalwart | Guerin, then please make a podcast out of deb security advisory, i'd like it |
| 21:13.55 | Guerin | peterS: yeah! written in mono, with a ldap background! |
| 21:13.56 | Stalwart | peterS, do you know any? |
| 21:14.03 | marcus_ | col & gkiagia, is there a timeout to be set somewhere? I remember there were something like this on FreeBSD |
| 21:14.07 | Guerin | Stalwart: we should get RMS to do it! |
| 21:14.08 | ameyer | seriously, there's a debian security rss feed, I subscribe to it in akregator on my desktop |
| 21:14.21 | Guerin | Stalwart: it'd be like a singing security telegram in your inbox every morning |
| 21:14.23 | ameyer | nothing etch-specific though |
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| 21:14.31 | jelly-home | Guerin: ok now ldap is just gratuitous. |
| 21:14.32 | Stalwart | ameyer, got link? |
| 21:14.42 | Guerin | jelly-home: always returns true |
| 21:14.45 | maddash | !ldap |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | methinks ldap is TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 21:14.58 | maddash | what's wrong with ldap? |
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| 21:15.16 | peterS | maddash: other than that it doesn't have anything to do with rss or email? nothing |
| 21:15.43 | marcus_ | well anyway, got to get going, thanks for your time |
| 21:15.48 | Guerin | maddash: i used it as a canonical example of over-engineering |
| 21:15.52 | jelly-home | maddash: you're missing the context. and the pretext. :-) |
| 21:16.04 | Stalwart | and i thought #fedora people are unserious advising to solve all problems by watching www.zombo.com ... |
| 21:16.08 | Guerin | though including mono in there as well was probably OTT |
| 21:16.30 | jelly-home | Guerin: nah, I dig mono and singing telegram points. |
| 21:16.36 | Stalwart | ameyer, can you please give me link of security rss? |
| 21:16.50 | ameyer | Stalwart: you probably want http://www.us.debian.org/security/dsa-long |
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| 21:17.32 | Stalwart | ameyer, thanks |
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| 21:18.37 | jelly-home | Stalwart: yees. This is #debian and welcome to #debian! |
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| 21:19.06 | Stalwart | that's why i'm switching to fedora, not to ubuntu or deb |
| 21:19.27 | Ronin | k thanks for stopping by Stalwart |
| 21:19.37 | peterS | isn't kevin fedora that guy in that custody battle? |
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| 21:20.01 | Stalwart | deb etch is great for small servers tho |
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| 21:20.19 | Stalwart | it will be years till lenny is released =P |
| 21:20.34 | Ronin | Stalwart: it very well may be |
| 21:20.37 | peterS | for some definition of "years" that may resolve to less than one year |
| 21:20.50 | ameyer | allegedly, Lenny's coming out October 2008 I think |
| 21:21.04 | kisielk | if I dd one drive to another, is it possible to get the system to see the new partition layout without rebooting? |
| 21:21.06 | jelly-home | !when will lenny freeze |
| 21:21.14 | ameyer | but etch was supposed to come out in 2006, and we see how well that worked |
| 21:21.19 | maddash | my lenny froze many many times already |
| 21:21.32 | amphi | peterS: do you know if libX11-xcb is likely to make it into lenny? |
| 21:21.32 | ameyer | aand I assume sarge wasn't supposed to take like 5 years |
| 21:21.39 | jelly-home | maddash: good thing it wasn't your woody |
| 21:21.42 | peterS | amphi: it's not already in? hmmm |
| 21:21.44 | Guerin | my sister-in-law has a dog called lenny |
| 21:22.01 | amphi | peterS: only in experimental, last time I looked at p.d.o |
| 21:22.10 | amphi | a few days back |
| 21:22.14 | Stalwart | Guerin, it hangs a lot? |
| 21:22.23 | Stalwart | :D |
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| 21:22.35 | Ross` | hello |
| 21:22.47 | Ross` | how large is a standard debian linux package |
| 21:22.56 | peterS | Ross`: 17 |
| 21:23.05 | Ross` | 17g?!?!? |
| 21:23.10 | peterS | no, just 17. no units. |
| 21:23.15 | Ross` | 17 what |
| 21:23.16 | Ronin | Ross`: depends on what you're really asking |
| 21:23.19 | peterS | amphi: you're right. I thought xcb was coming along a bit faster, as in, already in xorg 7.3 and therefore unstable |
| 21:23.42 | Ross` | er] |
| 21:23.46 | Ross` | ive never used linux before |
| 21:23.49 | Ross` | and i wanted to try ot |
| 21:23.50 | Ross` | it* |
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| 21:24.10 | Ronin | Ross`: so you really mean the size of an average install? |
| 21:24.10 | peterS | Ross`: a debian linux "package" is an individual piece of software distributed with the Debian operating system. so your question sounds a bit strange. do you mean to ask how big the installation is? or how large the installation CD is? or...? |
| 21:24.15 | Ross` | yes |
| 21:24.31 | Ross` | im talking about downloading an install thingy |
| 21:24.34 | Ross` | whatever its aclled lol |
| 21:24.40 | Ross` | i have never used linux before |
| 21:24.44 | Ross` | and i wanted to try it |
| 21:25.06 | maddash | peterS: hahaha |
| 21:25.07 | peterS | Ross`: typically you download a 150 MB CD image, then install from that, and it installs your base system, after which you select whatever components you want and it downloads them |
| 21:25.08 | amphi | Ross`: the netinstall cd image is ~120MB IIRC |
| 21:25.23 | Ross` | er ok |
| 21:25.25 | Guerin | !ig |
| 21:25.26 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:25.30 | Ross` | could anyoff you show me where i could download that |
| 21:25.33 | maddash | why is the netinstall so damn large? |
| 21:25.35 | Guerin | Ross`: read the installation guide ↑ |
| 21:25.44 | maddash | ubuntu's net inst is far smaller |
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| 21:25.55 | peterS | maddash: maybe they don't support 40 languages? |
| 21:26.11 | Guerin | maddash: ask them why theres is so small. A debian businesscard iso is <40MB, perhaps you're equating two different things? |
| 21:26.15 | Ronin | maddash: we also have a mini cd and business card one too iirc |
| 21:26.26 | maddash | peterS: I don't need 40 languages! I only speak one! |
| 21:26.39 | peterS | maddash: so you wouldn't mind getting a CD that only supports, say, Hindi? |
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| 21:27.13 | Guerin | maddash: remember tha debian people are inherently lazy. Why build 40 isos when you can build one? |
| 21:27.17 | maddash | peterS: heck no. it'd make more sense to give each language its own iso, instead of cramming everything into one place |
| 21:27.35 | Guerin | well, it sounds like you're volunteering to do it |
| 21:27.40 | maddash | Guerin: that's bad, not good. |
| 21:27.40 | Guerin | godspeed! |
| 21:27.51 | Guerin | maddash: not at all. Bandwidth is cheap. Time is not. |
| 21:28.06 | peterS | maddash: no, that doesn't make sense. that bloats the CD image mirror space considerably. and having 40 times as many download links sounds really annoying for someone looking at a web page |
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| 21:28.24 | maddash | Guerin: you know what else isn't cheap? disk space for bloat. argh! |
| 21:28.41 | Ronin | maddash: what bloat? |
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| 21:28.56 | Guerin | maddash: disk space *is* cheap, but ONE iso which is ~20% bigger is better than 40 of the fucking things, as you advocate. |
| 21:28.58 | maddash | Ronin: localizations and all that crap! |
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| 21:29.08 | Ronin | maddash: man i thought i was cheap |
| 21:29.11 | Guerin | it's maths |
| 21:29.21 | Guerin | i can draw you a diagram if that makes it easier to understand |
| 21:29.29 | Ronin | Ross`: please dont msg me, ask in channel as there are people in who have forgotten more then i know about debian |
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| 21:29.33 | Ronin | Guerin: use small words too |
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| 21:29.48 | Mr_Bunny_ | Is there any way to get SiS 7012 audio working under a 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:30.00 | Guerin | Ronin: maybe if i SPK IN TXT it'll get through easier |
| 21:30.07 | Ronin | Guerin: there you go |
| 21:30.15 | peterS | maddash: crap? you sound like an American who can't quite believe that people who don't already speak English are worth dealing with |
| 21:30.46 | jelly-home | anyone can play devil's advocate |
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| 21:31.27 | maddash | peterS: either you speak 40 languages, or you're a damn hypocrite |
| 21:31.46 | peterS | maddash: either you haven't studied logic, or you're setting up a false dichotomy on purpose |
| 21:31.50 | Mr_Bunny_ | In alsamixer, is a chanel muted when there's 00 under it, or mm under it? |
| 21:31.51 | Guerin | maddash: welcome to false-dichotomy-land! we hoppe you enjoy your stay. |
| 21:32.07 | Guerin | maddash: because if you don't then you're clearly going to die of ironic shock |
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| 21:32.38 | Guerin | peterS: i'm in the throes of a paper on propaganda, false dichotomies are my life right now |
| 21:32.44 | peterS | I see |
| 21:33.00 | peterS | I guess I was just alarmed that we both came up with the same term _and_ spelled it the same way |
| 21:33.13 | Guerin | perhaps we HAVE studied logic? |
| 21:33.19 | peterS | that is possible |
| 21:34.17 | tiger__ | can anyone tell me how to set up my volume control to use the buttons on my laptop? |
| 21:34.22 | zaius | anyone know how I can fix this error I get when apt-get install-ing vim? vim-full: Depends: vim-common (= 1:7.0-122+1etch3) but 1:7.0-122+1etch2 is to be installed |
| 21:34.24 | peterS | I wonder which it is. whether I know 40 languages, or I'm a hypocrite (presumably for suggesting that I believe it's useful to support 40 languages in an installer) |
| 21:35.04 | Guerin | tiger__: it should do by default. I think those are acpi controls, so you may need to make sure that's working. |
| 21:35.04 | pale_blue | where would i configure drivers in etch? i had to swap out a NIC and can't find out where it wants to associate eth0 with the new driver. something simple i'm missing? |
| 21:35.10 | jelly-home | peterS: and what about hypocrites that do know 40 languages? |
| 21:35.25 | peterS | jelly-home: interesting question. I wonder how many of those are kicking around |
| 21:35.32 | maddash | rm -rf /* / |
| 21:35.39 | Guerin | that would cause a rift in the space-time continuum |
| 21:36.03 | peterS | I should have just said half a dozen languages, that is a more realistic target for your average hypocrite |
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| 21:37.45 | peterS | I also wonder why maddash tried to unlink the root directory. not likely to work. |
| 21:37.48 | themill | !tell pale_blue about z25 |
| 21:37.57 | peterS | for one thing you want to umount /proc first |
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| 21:38.47 | themill | pale_blue: remove the entry for the old card in the z25 file and the new card will become eth0 on the next boot |
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| 21:40.39 | maddash | YES!! DIE DEBIAN DIE! |
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| 21:40.59 | peterS | I think Debian is masculine, actually. so that would be "DER DEBIAN" |
| 21:41.22 | Riotblade | Hey, correct me if I'm wrong but Etch auto detects dual cores right? No SMP needed? |
| 21:41.35 | jelly-home | it's obviously dualgendered |
| 21:41.40 | themill | heh |
| 21:41.42 | pale_blue | k, cleaned up and rebooting now. . . . |
| 21:42.00 | peterS | Riotblade: SMP is needed but the etch kernel has SMP enabled, so you're right in that sense |
| 21:42.30 | Riotblade | peterS, what happens if it doesnt show 2 processors when I am running Intel 6600? |
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| 21:42.50 | jelly-home | Riotblade: which kernel are you using? uname -r |
| 21:43.24 | Riotblade | 2.6.19.3 |
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| 21:44.13 | jelly-home | Riotblade: that doesn't sounds like a Debian kernel |
| 21:44.46 | Riotblade | Yeah, it's a rented box |
| 21:45.03 | jelly-home | Riotblade: if you build your own kernel you'll need to enable SMP support |
| 21:45.05 | Riotblade | I choose to install "Vanilla Kernel" according to them |
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| 21:45.41 | Riotblade | Well, the problem is I tried building a kernel with SMP support twice and both times the kernel itself wouldnt boot |
| 21:46.39 | jelly-home | Riotblade: are you running on real hardware or in a virtual machine? |
| 21:47.01 | Riotblade | real hardware AFAIK |
| 21:47.03 | peterS | Riotblade: so uh, your question has nothing to do with Debian, then? I mean, you're still free to ask it, I'm just making sure I have this straight |
| 21:47.10 | zorton | i'm trying to setup one of my servers as an wireless AP. When I start adding interfaces to the bridge I lose my regular network connection as well |
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| 21:47.15 | Riotblade | peterS, it says "Debian Etch 4.0 Vanilla Kernel" |
| 21:47.21 | jelly-home | Riotblade: it lies. |
| 21:47.27 | zorton | can anyone think of a way to do this without loosing my eth connection while doing it? |
| 21:47.37 | peterS | I haven't heard of a "debian etch 4.0 vanilla kernel", I don't know what that would mean |
| 21:47.47 | Riotblade | neither has google |
| 21:47.56 | Riotblade | I just know that i'm on a weird kernel |
| 21:48.05 | jelly-home | Riotblade: etch kernels have uname -r beginning with 2.6.18-4- or 2.6.18-5- |
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| 21:48.16 | Riotblade | How do I find out what the hell I am using exactly? |
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| 21:49.48 | peterS | Riotblade: see if you have a kernel package installed: dpkg -l linux-image-* |
| 21:50.06 | Riotblade | 'ii linux-image-2. 2.6.17+2 Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/P |
| 21:50.06 | Riotblade | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.17-9 Linux 2.6.17 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 21:50.11 | pale_blue | themill: thanks, that worked . . . sort of. i had to edit the file again to change it to eth0 from eth2, but it looks like it might be doing what it should now. gonna plug back into that box now. |
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| 21:50.43 | trueDD | good night all |
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| 21:52.15 | maddash | multiple operating system isolation |
| 21:53.15 | peterS | Riotblade: those might be etch kernels from back before etch was released. but you said you're running 2.6.19 of some sort, so those packages aren't what you're actually running now |
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| 21:53.55 | Riotblade | Yeah, I can see a 2.6.17 kernel in boot |
| 21:53.59 | Riotblade | but it wont load up if I switch over to it |
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| 21:54.29 | peterS | Riotblade: I'm guessing someone compiled 2.6.19 specifically for that box (or that class of boxes, if this is supported by some hosting vendor or whatever) |
| 21:54.32 | Nihill | 2.6.19? I'm still on 2.6.18 |
| 21:54.57 | Riotblade | peterS, nah... they have a rescue system where you can install a bunch of stuff (i'm guessing from images) |
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| 21:55.06 | Riotblade | I just selected this "vanilla kernel" because it worked |
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| 21:55.16 | Riotblade | the original debian etch kernel they had wouldnt boot |
| 21:55.25 | Zerosan | Hello |
| 21:55.37 | peterS | Riotblade: anyway, etch never shipped with anything newer than 2.6.18, officially. so this must be someone else's kernel. whose kernel, I have no idea |
| 21:55.46 | EvilGuru | I have a network-less debian system which I set-up using the netinstall disk, that I wish to install some packages on. What would be the best way to do this? |
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| 21:56.03 | Riotblade | so 2.6.22 isn't etcH/ |
| 21:56.05 | Riotblade | etch*? |
| 21:56.18 | Zerosan | I'm searching for a simple mail server package, (Pop3, Imap, Smtp, VirtualUsers and Domains (hopefully mysql based)), anyone got a howto? |
| 21:56.19 | Riotblade | I tried compiling that kernel and it also wouldnt boot |
| 21:56.28 | Riotblade | So i'm guessing I dont have debian at all? |
| 21:56.39 | ericP | i'm trying to sync up my palm to my sid box. uhci_hcd is noticing when i press the sync button but nothing's coming out on /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:56.43 | ericP | ideas? |
| 21:56.44 | peterS | Riotblade: correct. there are unofficial kernels and install images for etch with 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 but nothing officially released by debian.org |
| 21:57.32 | Riotblade | blah... besides debian, what might be a good distro for web servers? |
| 21:57.50 | peterS | dunno, I'd use debian |
| 21:58.00 | Riotblade | I have been too |
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| 21:58.23 | Riotblade | this is the first time where debian isn't debian when preloaded onto a box though |
| 21:58.47 | peterS | if I couldn't get the official etch kernel to install, I'd probably use a newer kernel with the etch installer, downloaded from kmuto.jp. kmuto is a debian developer who provides this sort of thing as a service |
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| 21:58.51 | Nihill | debian is great for servers so easy to setup |
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| 21:59.45 | Riotblade | peterS, I wish I had KVM access |
| 21:59.51 | Riotblade | unless there's a way to install through SSH of course |
| 21:59.53 | peterS | Riotblade: I've seen hosting providers before who build their own kernels specifically to support the hardware they buy for their racks, and they preload debian with those kernels. this was back in the 2.4.x days but I imagine the same thing continues today |
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| 22:00.12 | pale_blue | that felt like SUCH a kludge. |
| 22:00.21 | infinity0 | what's the command for making a symlink? |
| 22:00.28 | Riotblade | peterS, yeah well, they fail then since it doesnt support SMP by default |
| 22:00.30 | dondelelcaro | infinity0: ln |
| 22:00.31 | maddash | ln |
| 22:00.32 | themill | pale_blue: ? |
| 22:00.34 | infinity0 | ah ty |
| 22:00.46 | peterS | infinity0: specifically, ln -s existing_file new_link_name. easy to get the two arguments backwards |
| 22:00.52 | infinity0 | kk, thanks |
| 22:01.09 | ameyer | ln -s to be more specific |
| 22:01.17 | infinity0 | what does link do? creating a link with that doesn't make it show file -> file in ls -la |
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| 22:01.46 | pale_blue | themill, the z25 tweak. it worked but it took some futzing and it felt clumsy. |
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| 22:02.02 | peterS | infinity0: link is a lower level version of ln. ln without -s creates hard links. that is to say, two filenames that refer to the same physical file. both names are equivalent, so if you want to delete one, the other will still exist, and it doesn't matter which name you delete first |
| 22:02.24 | themill | pale_blue: it should be pretty clean to do. You don't have a strange network card that changes mac address on every boot, do you? |
| 22:02.51 | pale_blue | nope. i replaced a netgear (tulip driver) with a 3com 3c905c card. nothing special. |
| 22:02.52 | themill | pale_blue: if you've only got one network card, it should just be delete all the entries (or remove the file) and reboot |
| 22:03.04 | infinity0 | peterS: ooh i see, and -s has a "primary" version which when deleted breaks others |
| 22:03.14 | pale_blue | two cards. it's a NAT box. |
| 22:03.18 | Nihill | if I wanted to update the kernel in etch to something more recent than 2.6.18 how would I go about it? |
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| 22:03.40 | peterS | infinity0: you can think of it that way. in reality, the two kinds of links are not at all related, the fact that both are called "links" and both are created with "ln" is kind of an accident |
| 22:03.56 | themill | pale_blue: ahh.. that makes it slightly more complicated, but it's still not so bad. There are plenty of worse things that one can do... |
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| 22:04.26 | infinity0 | peterS: right ok, wel thanks for that :) i'll go read up on it |
| 22:04.35 | pale_blue | indeed. i've done far worse too. :-) |
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| 22:05.13 | Riotblade | peterS, Assuming that i'm using Etch, is there a way for me to enable SMP? |
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| 22:06.10 | peterS | Riotblade: it's all about your kernel. if the kernel you're running wasn't built with smp support, you can't. if it was, it should be enabled without you having to do anything. 'cat /proc/version' will either have the word "SMP" in it somewhere, or it won't. |
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| 22:06.46 | Riotblade | damn |
| 22:06.47 | Riotblade | Linux version 2.6.19.3 (root@rescue-v532) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Mon Feb 19 11:22:17 CET 2007 |
| 22:06.52 | Riotblade | well, at least we know it is debian |
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| 22:07.01 | jelly-home | Riotblade: I'd try using a newer kernel from backports.org if the default etch one doesn't work |
| 22:07.16 | peterS | Riotblade: isn't debian, you mean. the "debian" you see there just means someone used a Debian version of gcc to build it |
| 22:07.32 | Riotblade | ah |
| 22:07.59 | Riotblade | jelly-home, mind providing me a direct link to the repository? I'm lost in a maze :P |
| 22:08.06 | peterS | somebody on a machine named 'rescue-v532' built the kernel as root, on 19 Feb, somewhere in Europe (the CET is a timezone in Europe). |
| 22:08.14 | peterS | beyond that, I don't know where the kernel came from (: |
| 22:08.26 | jelly-home | Riotblade: I'd have to navigate the site just like you |
| 22:10.40 | jelly-home | Riotblade: the instructions link points to a page with a deb ... line for sources.list |
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| 22:11.03 | Riotblade | Okay, thanks |
| 22:11.36 | Riotblade | How would I get a list through apt? |
| 22:11.39 | Riotblade | Sorry, I'm pretty new |
| 22:12.23 | jelly-home | Riotblade: after adding that line in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing apt-get update you can do eg. apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
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| 22:13.53 | Riotblade | correct me if I'm wrong, but how would you know if it's from etch-backports |
| 22:14.14 | peterS | Riotblade: for one thing, all packages will have 'bpo' in their version numbers (that means "backports.org") |
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| 22:14.47 | Riotblade | Nothing with bpo shows up |
| 22:15.00 | edwin_quijada | Where can I find a kernel 2.4 smp repository? |
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| 22:15.15 | themill | jelly-home: the backports.org factoid gives a line for the sources.list |
| 22:15.27 | edwin_quijada | I have a sarge 3.1 and I cant update to etch |
| 22:15.41 | edwin_quijada | I need a kernel smp with 2.4 |
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| 22:15.54 | peterS | edwin_quijada: you can get one from sarge. etch only ships 2.6 kernels |
| 22:16.11 | wols | edwin_quijada: why can't you use a 2.6 one? shitty closed source drivers? |
| 22:16.12 | themill | edwin_quijada: sarge has 2.4 kernels with smp in them. |
| 22:16.34 | jelly-home | Riotblade: there is nothing newer than 2.6.18 in etch, so it would obviously be from the backports |
| 22:16.51 | edwin_quijada | wols: i cant use 2.6 |
| 22:16.56 | wols | edwin_quijada: why? |
| 22:17.07 | wols | cause while etch will still work with 2.4, lenny won't |
| 22:17.10 | edwin_quijada | this is a old server and doesnt work with 2.6 |
| 22:17.21 | edwin_quijada | when it is uncompressing freeze |
| 22:17.23 | Riotblade | jelly-home, so "linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 - Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 22:17.27 | Riotblade | would be from backports? |
| 22:17.37 | jelly-home | Riotblade: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 22:17.40 | wols | Riotblade: or from sid |
| 22:17.48 | themill | jelly-home: that 2.6.19 kernel doesn't have the -abi-arch args in it so it's not from a debian package. |
| 22:17.49 | Riotblade | yup, it is |
| 22:17.51 | Riotblade | thanks, i'll try that one |
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| 22:18.17 | jelly-home | themill: I knows |
| 22:18.49 | themill | jelly-home: ok, just checking :) can I pm you? |
| 22:18.57 | jelly-home | themill: sure |
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| 22:19.37 | Riotblade | jelly, http://rafb.net/p/G8KPRf96.html If I want to have 2.6.22 be default what do I have to modify? |
| 22:19.54 | Riotblade | Last two times i've modified grub, I either screwed up or kernel was unable to be read |
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| 22:20.23 | jelly-home | Riotblade: don't screw up? :-) |
| 22:20.23 | wols | Riotblade: nothing |
| 22:20.37 | Riotblade | nothing? |
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| 22:21.18 | wols | Riotblade: you should only need to dpkg -i it and update-grub will set it as default |
| 22:21.39 | Riotblade | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 22:21.53 | wols | this "debian default" kernel thing is not debian default, is it? |
| 22:22.09 | Riotblade | but the vmlinuz I think is the original and from what I understand, it reads from top one first? |
| 22:22.10 | wols | at least I've never seen my etch installer create it |
| 22:22.16 | jelly-home | it's _someone's_ default :-) |
| 22:22.22 | Nihill | can someone explain why I'd need backports? |
| 22:22.31 | Guerin | Nihill: if you don't know, you don't. |
| 22:22.36 | wols | jelly-home: if he edited his menu.lst before on his own, he can continue to do it |
| 22:22.58 | Riotblade | i'm pretty sure grub points to "someone's kernel" right now :P |
| 22:22.59 | wols | Guerin: not quite true |
| 22:23.02 | jelly-home | wols: yeah but <Riotblade> Last two times i've modified grub, I either screwed up or kernel was unable to be read |
| 22:23.02 | Riotblade | i'll just try rebooting anyways |
| 22:23.04 | wols | !bpo |
| 22:23.04 | dpkg | hmm... backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 22:23.27 | Guerin | wols: of course it is. |
| 22:23.30 | dkr | Nihill: if you needed some feature in a newer version of some software, but that version is too recent to have been included in debian stable |
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| 22:24.11 | dkr | Guerin: claiming "of course" about the truth of a subjective opinion is a bit silly. :) |
| 22:24.15 | edwin_quijada | sombedoy has insttalled 2.6 kernel in Proline 2500 |
| 22:24.22 | edwin_quijada | with debian |
| 22:24.32 | edwin_quijada | 2 PII processors |
| 22:24.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:25.08 | Riotblade | Yup, it's still booting to the original |
| 22:25.15 | themill | abrotman: isn't that always the question? |
| 22:25.36 | abrotman | themill: well .. he's not really a font of knowledge eh ? |
| 22:25.46 | Riotblade | jelly-home, what's the point of lines 5,6, and 7 |
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| 22:25.57 | Riotblade | not sure if I should remove those |
| 22:26.08 | jelly-home | Riotblade: it's the first kernel entry. |
| 22:26.23 | Riotblade | why is it in a different format and is it safe to remove? |
| 22:26.24 | themill | abrotman: "why would you" and "why are you telling us this" both spring to mind... |
| 22:26.34 | jelly-home | Riotblade: it's not in different format. |
| 22:26.58 | Guerin | dkr: it's not subjective at all. You might need *something* but you don't necessarily need *backports*. |
| 22:27.09 | abrotman | themill: see .. no more info .. problem(?) solved |
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| 22:27.13 | Riotblade | jelly-home, safe to remove though? since I have other entries on the bottom? |
| 22:27.20 | jelly-home | Riotblade: simplest thing to do is to change which entry is the default |
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| 22:27.37 | themill | abrotman: damn you're good... solving problems as fast as they come in to #d and in just 4 characters ;) |
| 22:27.44 | Riotblade | jelly-home, and which line is that set? |
| 22:28.08 | jelly-home | Riotblade: the first one. the entries are numbered counting from 0 |
| 22:28.14 | Riotblade | ah |
| 22:28.16 | abrotman | themill: my efficiency is unrivaled! |
| 22:28.17 | Riotblade | Thanks |
| 22:28.42 | Riotblade | So 3 should give me the new one right? |
| 22:28.43 | jelly-home | Riotblade: so your 2.6.22 would currently be at 3 |
| 22:28.49 | Riotblade | Gonna try |
| 22:28.58 | themill | abrotman: hey... you're off the top of the stats page atm. geo-rge is beating you. What happened? |
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| 22:29.22 | n_np_ | the shell included on the netinst cd is terrible |
| 22:29.28 | n_np_ | i cant rescue my system with that at all |
| 22:29.33 | n_np_ | it gives me unpredicatble results. |
| 22:29.34 | abrotman | themill: baseball :) |
| 22:29.38 | maddash | n_np_: like? |
| 22:29.38 | jelly-home | Riotblade: oh btw... does the machine have a sata or a pata disk? |
| 22:29.49 | n_np_ | at first it wouldnt even work with backspace properly |
| 22:29.52 | n_np_ | then when i rebooted |
| 22:29.58 | n_np_ | it couldnt even mount anymore |
| 22:30.06 | Riotblade | jelly-home, haven't looked into it |
| 22:30.08 | n_np_ | before that it could mount but it stated that files dont exist that do |
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| 22:30.10 | Riotblade | why? |
| 22:30.12 | abrotman | themill: but i think he left |
| 22:30.12 | n_np_ | so i couldnt edit them |
| 22:30.14 | n_np_ | i dont know |
| 22:30.16 | n_np_ | its broken |
| 22:30.19 | n_np_ | something is wrong with the thing |
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| 22:30.37 | themill | n_np_: bug reports and patches are welcome. Please file them in the usual manner using the bts. |
| 22:30.39 | abrotman | n_np_: it's dash .. not bash |
| 22:30.46 | abrotman | at least i thikn it is |
| 22:30.48 | n_np_ | aah okay |
| 22:30.52 | n_np_ | its something else |
| 22:30.54 | themill | or busybox |
| 22:30.54 | Riotblade | jelly-home, IT WORKS! Thanks a lot. |
| 22:30.55 | n_np_ | with a silly name |
| 22:30.58 | Riotblade | and both of the processors show up fine |
| 22:30.59 | jelly-home | Riotblade: nm, I thought it booted from /dev/hdXX device but misread |
| 22:31.07 | n_np_ | themill, im unawer of how to report bugs |
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| 22:31.14 | Riotblade | Now I have a second question regarding hard drives |
| 22:31.18 | abrotman | n_np_: echo $0 (unless that's a bash-ism) |
| 22:31.30 | n_np_ | abrotman, the pc isnt booted at the moment |
| 22:31.41 | abrotman | seems to work in zsh too |
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| 22:31.53 | Riotblade | jelly-home, if I have sda and sdb and only sda shows up, how do I utilize sdb? |
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| 22:32.24 | jelly-home | Riotblade: partition it, format the partitions and use them? |
| 22:32.35 | Riotblade | Any reference site? |
| 22:32.40 | Riotblade | Havne't done that in linux before |
| 22:33.02 | wols | Riotblade: cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 22:33.12 | wols | and mkfs.ext3 then |
| 22:33.23 | Riotblade | ah, thanks |
| 22:33.33 | Riotblade | logical or primary? |
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| 22:35.08 | gkiagia | does anyone have any idea why I see this stupid wlan0_rename interface when I load iwl3945?? |
| 22:35.32 | gkiagia | seems to happen only on debian..... |
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| 22:36.52 | themill | !tell gkiagia about z25 |
| 22:37.00 | themill | gkiagia: I believe that works for wlan0_rename too |
| 22:37.05 | gileswwwrk | i'm trying to apply the -mm patch to the stable kernel but the patch is failing |
| 22:37.12 | themill | gkiagia: http://blog.janus.cx/index.php?/archives/226-Renaming-interface-wlan0_rename-to-wlan0-using-a-udev-rule-under-Debian-Etch.html |
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| 22:37.36 | macd | is there a time b/t packages on incoming.debian.org and the time they show on packages.debian.org for unstable? |
| 22:37.41 | gileswwwrk | stable is 2.6.22.9 but mm patch is 2.6.23-rc8-mm does that mean they're missmatched? |
| 22:37.48 | macd | ie, it was in incoming and now is nowhere |
| 22:37.49 | Riotblade | jelly-home, sorry to ask but what do I do to mount it afterwards? |
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| 22:38.40 | gkiagia | actually my problem is a bit more complicated... when iwl3945 is loaded I get both eth2 and wlan0_rename. I have to configure wlan0_rename with iwconfig BUT I have to configure eth2 with ifconfig in order to get it working... |
| 22:38.48 | gkiagia | thanks anyway |
| 22:38.51 | abrotman | macd: probably depends how often pdo is updated |
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| 22:38.56 | gkiagia | I'll check the links |
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| 22:39.12 | macd | abrotman, yeah I figured it would take a while, thanks |
| 22:39.26 | abrotman | macd: should be an update time at the bottom |
| 22:39.29 | tsb | How 'stable' is unstable? I am concidering switching from kubuntu. |
| 22:39.48 | tsb | I've read about it, and it seems fine - I suspect breakage is uncommon |
| 22:40.12 | wols | tsb: you need to suspect some more |
| 22:40.26 | tsb | wols: why do you think I am here asking about this.. |
| 22:40.40 | wols | tsb: because you don't know anything? |
| 22:40.58 | wols | simply put: people who ask how unstable sid is, are not ready to run sid |
| 22:41.06 | gkiagia | right. udev is also making eth2... |
| 22:41.10 | themill | gkiagia: I was playing with iwl4965 earlier today for the first time and noticed a similar thing... but I don't know anything more about it |
| 22:41.18 | tsb | wols: o.O reading the debdoc is one thing, hearing _REAL WORLD_ usage reports is quite another. Now go climb a tree or something. |
| 22:42.01 | wols | tsb: anyone here with half a clue will tell you the same. last but not least: sid is not supported here. btw: I am running sid right now |
| 22:42.02 | gkiagia | themill: I just noticed this line in the z25 rules: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:02:20:d9:85", NAME="eth2" |
| 22:42.09 | gkiagia | this must be making the mess |
| 22:42.22 | wols | gkiagia: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 22:42.23 | tsb | wols: yeah, I bet that's the clean-cut black and white answer. I've used it on a server and it ran fine though I only used it for about 6 months, however this is for a desktop |
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| 22:42.51 | themill | gkiagia: the iwl4965 module makes a wmaster0 interface as well as the wlan0 (similar effect to you) |
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| 22:43.01 | cld2 | how do I make a new kernel mod (fuse) load at boot? thanks. |
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| 22:43.12 | macd | abrotman, the update time on packages..... seems to be the last time I hit refresh ;P |
| 22:43.15 | jeward | What's the script you run during install that allows you to pick sets of packages like: File Server, etc. |
| 22:43.19 | wols | cld2: put it in /etc/modules |
| 22:43.22 | macd | cld2, add it to /etc/modules |
| 22:43.24 | abrotman | macd: yay? :) |
| 22:43.28 | wols | jeward: tasksel |
| 22:43.30 | cld2 | wols, macd: thanks. |
| 22:43.33 | macd | abrotman, something like yay, but more like nay ;P |
| 22:43.35 | tsb | wols: hah, you are the irc0r 1337. Thanks for nothing. |
| 22:43.36 | jeward | wols: Danke. |
| 22:43.42 | jelly-home | Riotblade: funny I'm _sure_ there's a zillion intro documents about disk/filesystem management on the web but I can't find anything nice |
| 22:43.52 | abrotman | macd: hrm .. maybe the mirror it uses didn't sync yet |
| 22:43.54 | wols | tsb: goodbye kiddo |
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| 22:44.01 | Ranbee | hi, has anyone installed etch on vmware server? should i select 2.6.x has the guest or something else? |
| 22:44.03 | macd | abrotman, yeah I think it needs to pulse |
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| 22:44.18 | macd | Ranbee, 2.6.x guest would be correct |
| 22:44.36 | blq | hi, I tried to add I rule to my netfilter by: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.0.100 --dport 1983:1984 -j ACCEPT. But anytime I try to add a Destination that begins with 192.168. it appears as "localhost" when I do "iptables -vL".. the server with the netfilter has got the IP .254 and the pc I'm sitting at is the .100.. |
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| 22:45.02 | Ranbee | macd: thanks. (i saw a video where someone selected ubuntu and was scared to mention that word here lol) |
| 22:45.33 | themill | tsb: Sid breaks. Often. When it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. We tend not to support sid on #debian at the best of times as you are supposed to be able to support yourself if you are using sid. And if you insult and annoy the regulars on #debian you'll get even less help. |
| 22:45.37 | wols | !wayttd blq |
| 22:45.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, blq? |
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| 22:46.09 | Riotblade | jelly-home, same here although I've been reading some forums and I'm guessing Primary is the way to go? |
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| 22:46.31 | tsb | themill: Thank you. As for him, I only replied with the same attitude. |
| 22:47.15 | jelly-home | Riotblade: if you're creating a single partition, it doesn't really matter so primary is ok |
| 22:47.40 | Riotblade | problem is mounting it so it'll show up |
| 22:47.47 | Riotblade | trying to comprehend |
| 22:47.47 | themill | tsb: wols is right, however. His comment is very very true: [23:40] <wols> simply put: people who ask how unstable sid is, are not ready to run sid |
| 22:48.03 | blq | wols: I'm trying to add a rule (0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere 192.168.0.100 tcp dpts:1983:1984) to the netfilter, but everytime I type "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.0.100 --dport 1983:1984 -j ACCEPT" I only get that rule in the Chain: "0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere localhost tcp dpts:1983:1984" |
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| 22:48.15 | jelly-home | Riotblade: you have created a filesystem on the partition? |
| 22:48.38 | wols | blq: you already said that. but you didn't say what you're triying to achieve with this rule. |
| 22:48.47 | themill | blq: take one step back.... tell wols why are you trying to add that rule |
| 22:49.07 | Riotblade | jelly-home, i created a partition if that's what you mean |
| 22:49.08 | wols | I suspect netfilter can only deal with localhost as the destination in this particular table |
| 22:49.55 | blq | wols: I'm trying to do that to allow FORWARD TCP traffic to 192.168.0.100 over the ports: 1983 and 1984 |
| 22:50.10 | wols | blq: you mean a port forward on a NAT system? |
| 22:50.52 | blq | wols: I need this rule to allow the port forwarding rule |
| 22:51.04 | jelly-home | Riotblade: I didn't. after creating the partition, you need to create a filesystem on it. For an ext3 filesystem, the command is mkfs.ext3 |
| 22:51.10 | blq | wols: because I got a drop any any at FORWARD |
| 22:51.21 | tsb | themill: I don't see how that can be a true statement. Surely it fits many cases, but implying that there's no other scenario is just stupid imo (and annoying..). I'd say I know my way around debian well enough, but since I have only run servers I only have experience with sarge/etch. I've almost never tried unstable because there haven't been a need for it. If I'd install it on my desktop though I'd like to run unstable. But from your statement it |
| 22:51.21 | tsb | follows that I don't know anything since I had the nerve to ask about this in the firstplace. |
| 22:51.24 | wols | blq: use something like this: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 32459 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2:32459 |
| 22:51.46 | blq | wols: I allready have that rule |
| 22:51.48 | Riotblade | jelly-home, ah okay, just typed mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 and now it's creating |
| 22:51.58 | wols | oops. sorry my bad. wrong one |
| 22:52.03 | wols | /sbin/iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -i ppp0 -d 192.168.1.2 --dport 32459 -j ACCEPT |
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| 22:52.11 | wols | use -i for interface, don't specify IPs |
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| 22:53.31 | Riotblade | jelly-home, thanks, gotcha |
| 22:53.37 | wols | blq: if that doesn't work, I'd say #iptables is your best bet |
| 22:53.48 | blq | okay, thankyou |
| 22:53.51 | zorton | I want to configure a bridge on a system but I only have access to the system via ssh |
| 22:53.53 | themill | tsb: Ahh... you assume that readiness is only about your ability to fix things; it's also about understanding how debian works. If you knew how debian's packaging and releases work, then you'd have that last bit of knowledge. And that's a crucial piece of knowledge as that is what you are going to need to unbreak things. |
| 22:53.54 | ericP | palm/jpilot question: where do i look if uhci_hcd notices when i press my palm's sync button, but it doesn't create /dev/ttyS0 (or 1 or 2) ("cat: /dev/ttyS2: Input/output error") ? |
| 22:54.06 | zorton | anyone know a way to do this whitout killing my network connection? |
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| 22:54.27 | themill | blq: So, lacking that knowledge makes you "not ready" to run sid. |
| 22:54.33 | wils0n__ | zorton: configuring bridges over ssh is risky |
| 22:54.47 | wils0n__ | zorton: I suggest setting up a serial line to the box so you can rescue it after you screw it up |
| 22:55.00 | blq | themill: I'm not running sid |
| 22:55.04 | zorton | wils0n__: so i've found :) I was thinking of bringing up a alias'd ethernet interface |
| 22:55.24 | themill | blq: sorry, that was for tsb. |
| 22:55.29 | gkiagia | strange, deleting the udev rule now gets me with wlan0 && wmaster0... I hate this driver.... |
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| 22:55.55 | themill | gkiagia: you could always go back to the fun regulatory daemon. |
| 22:56.11 | karsten | themill: Every time I try to shoot my tab completion I show my tatoo concubine |
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| 22:56.49 | tsb | themill: as I understand it works like freebsd, always moving forward untill someday the new releasesnapshot is set. So it will be updated continually, naturally increasing the likelyhood of errors, but not as much as the testing branch |
| 22:56.57 | gkiagia | themill: I don't find it a good idea. will it run on 2.6.23?? 2.6.23 has mac80211 instead of the old ieee80211 |
| 22:57.19 | themill | gkiagia: no idea, sorry. |
| 22:57.46 | tsb | themill: however even if unstable is a moving target it is on a 2 week (?) backport from testing, so it is more than likely to work fine, I'd think. |
| 22:57.56 | themill | tsb: if you reverse unstable and testing in your last comment, then you're right. |
| 22:58.30 | themill | tsb: Lacking this knowledge is what makes you "not ready" to run sid. This is not knowledge that can be obtained from irc; it requires you to show a lot of tenacity and self-reliance and go and read things for yourself. This is not a criticism of your technical ability, you just need to read more to understand what you're getting yourself in for. |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | tsb: testing is "more" stable than unstable .. in the debian world |
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| 22:59.25 | themill | !tell tsb about releases |
| 22:59.26 | maddash | ericP: dmesg |
| 22:59.29 | tsb | themill: right, when I have been talking about unstable I meant testing all the time.. |
| 22:59.35 | themill | :) |
| 22:59.42 | wols | sure you did |
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| 23:00.10 | themill | tsb: for some more pointers, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 23:00.24 | abrotman | eh .. it tsb toresbe ? |
| 23:00.26 | abrotman | is |
| 23:00.52 | tsb | wols: eh? |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | cows! |
| 23:01.06 | themill | tsb: you might want to get all that straight in your head before you embark on the fun of playing with lenny |
| 23:01.12 | karsten | abrotman: moo! |
| 23:01.28 | abrotman | karsten: what size bra do you wear? |
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| 23:01.39 | karsten | abrotman: 69-XXX |
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| 23:01.52 | abrotman | so .. like the size of a VW beetle ? |
| 23:02.06 | karsten | abrotman: Two of them... |
| 23:02.12 | karsten | abrotman: Front to back, so to speak. |
| 23:02.14 | abrotman | ew |
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| 23:02.45 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 23:03.11 | ericP | maddash, i should see stuff in dmesg when i hit the sync button? |
| 23:03.15 | maddash | gcc |
| 23:03.24 | maddash | ericP: yes. |
| 23:03.28 | tsb | themill: get what straight? Save the small error of mixing up unstable/testing (I meant testing), I don't see which road of tao I have to walk; I think I explained the differences okay a bit up. |
| 23:04.12 | _stokes | anyone a fan of fvwm and know how to set the geometry in a fvwmbutton module? |
| 23:04.19 | tsb | I guess this is going offtopic here fast since etch testing/unstable isn't supported here, so I'll stop. Thanks, I'll try testing. |
| 23:04.20 | themill | tsb: yes, that's not a bad description. Make sure you put testing in your sources.list not unstable though :) |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | tsb: etch is supported definitely |
| 23:04.41 | tsb | themill: right. :) |
| 23:04.42 | themill | tsb: depending on how busy things are here, some lenny support happens. |
| 23:04.47 | wols | abrotman: noly for another 3 years or so |
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| 23:04.51 | Azar | nothing bad about old stable either, Debian rocks on all versions |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | tsb: testing is what i'd recommend for a desktop/laptop that you like to have work without much hassle |
| 23:05.16 | abrotman | though nvidia binary crap stuff is broken in lenny right now |
| 23:05.24 | tsb | abrotman: yep |
| 23:05.42 | themill | tsb: if the hardware is more than 12months or so old, then etch is fine, esp if you drag in some backports.org as appropriate. |
| 23:06.16 | Azar | what about Envy? |
| 23:06.18 | themill | tsb: The new laptop that I just built (today) for my wife needed lenny to get anywhere. (I couldn't even get a vesa fb working properly under etch) |
| 23:06.33 | tsb | themill: on the desktop I prefer to keep somewhat on the edge - for instance because of a few fixes kde 3.5.8 brings I'll want to upgrade to that pretty fast.. |
| 23:06.55 | abrotman | !info kdebase lenny |
| 23:06.57 | swombat | what ports does apt-get need to have open to be able to download stuff? I have 80, 21, 443 open, but that doesn't seem to be enough... |
| 23:07.01 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.7-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 23:07.02 | abrotman | swombat: 80 |
| 23:07.09 | Azar | abrotman: will Envy be allowed as a temp fix for nvidia drivers in Lenny? |
| 23:07.09 | abrotman | assuming you use http sources |
| 23:07.17 | swombat | good point, let me check |
| 23:07.20 | abrotman | Azar: NFC what envy is .. but i doubt it |
| 23:07.20 | themill | tsb: 3.5.7 is in backports.org and is quite stable. 3.5.8 isn't in debian at all |
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| 23:07.30 | swombat | yeah http |
| 23:07.35 | Azar | abrotman: http://www.debianadmin.com/envy-ati-and-nvidia-drivers-installation-made-easy.html |
| 23:07.38 | swombat | but apt keeps blocking when my iptables is up |
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| 23:07.52 | swombat | even though i have $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
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| 23:07.58 | abrotman | Azar: that's for ubuntu |
| 23:08.14 | tsb | themill: yeah, 3.5.8 isn't out yet :) 10 more days I think.. |
| 23:08.20 | Azar | I saw that but it say is good for Lenny too |
| 23:08.38 | abrotman | Azar: not on that page it doesn't |
| 23:08.39 | Chops` | Hi, what is the best complete package for monitoring things such as: load, bandwidth, ram ? |
| 23:08.41 | ericP | maddash, scanning back, i see nothing related to ttyS or usb in my dmesg (since last resume). i think i'm lacking something that creates ttySn. reasonable? |
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| 23:09.24 | dondelelcaro | ericP: udev should be creating them, assuming the uarts are there |
| 23:09.25 | alejandro | hola |
| 23:09.29 | swombat | a wget of www.google.com works, but apt-get update blocks when trying to connect to the apt source |
| 23:09.32 | maddash | ericP: you should see some mention of your palm pilot. if not, `modprobe visor` |
| 23:09.48 | maddash | ericP: visor creates your ttyusb0 |
| 23:09.51 | dserban | so... nbd... anyone know much about it... at least the debian package? seems that /usr/share/doc provides nada when it comes to anything remotely informative. I understand how the nbd server should function... but now... how the heck do i create an extra shared resource? I created my own nbd-server config file under /etc/ (which btw = lame that it's not provided from the package)... so now ... how do I create more than one shared |
| 23:09.51 | dserban | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.51 | Azar | !es |
| 23:09.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:09.51 | Joe_19 | hola alejando no eres el unico que habla español |
| 23:09.58 | dondelelcaro | most palm pilots are usb though, and aren't on ttyS0 |
| 23:09.59 | abrotman | swombat: and you're using http sources ? |
| 23:10.03 | swombat | yeah |
| 23:10.21 | abrotman | swombat: did you turn on the ESTABLISH,RELATED rules for iptables ? |
| 23:10.23 | swombat | the default debian etch. they're listed as http in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:10.34 | Joe_19 | someone know how to put a bootsplash ? or change the color of grub |
| 23:10.37 | swombat | $IPTABLES -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED |
| 23:10.45 | dkr | Joe_19: ¡que horor! |
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| 23:10.52 | abrotman | swombat: don't you need a -t tcp ? |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | erm .. -p |
| 23:10.56 | maddash | dkr: how'd you get the upside down exclamation? |
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| 23:11.12 | dkr | maddash: xchat character chart |
| 23:11.20 | Azar | maddash: i |
| 23:11.33 | Azar | hmm i! |
| 23:11.37 | swombat | abrotman: don't think so... it works fine without -p on other boxes |
| 23:11.44 | swombat | plus hat would cut out udp wouldn't it? |
| 23:12.01 | abrotman | ah .. you're right |
| 23:12.05 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 23:12.11 | abrotman | can you strace apt-get update ? |
| 23:12.19 | swombat | good idea |
| 23:12.40 | Azar | swombat: can't you find the ip#s for the repositories where apt goes at, and set them on iptables as allowed ? |
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| 23:12.53 | abrotman | Azar: and if the IP changes ? |
| 23:13.02 | swombat | it keeps choking on 0% [Connecting to 82.103.143.252 (82.103.143.252)] [Connecting to 82.103.143.252 (82.103.143.252)]) = 99 |
| 23:13.05 | swombat | select(7, [5 6], [], NULL, {0, 500000} <unfinished ...> |
| 23:13.09 | swombat | (strace sez) |
| 23:13.13 | Azar | abrotman: yah that is a problem |
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| 23:13.35 | abrotman | swombat: can you telnet <ip> 80 ? |
| 23:14.00 | themill | !telnetsmite abrotman |
| 23:14.01 | swombat | is that the ip you guys are getting for yep |
| 23:14.12 | swombat | can telnet to 80 |
| 23:14.23 | Azar | or maybe not by IP# but by the address |
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| 23:14.36 | swombat | woops, -"is that the ip you guys are getting for" |
| 23:14.48 | themill | Azar: the strace shows the ip addr being resolved |
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| 23:15.42 | Azar | can the ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/ be inserted in the iptables instead of one IP# ? |
| 23:15.49 | swombat | hmm. My sources are set to some denmark local sources mirror. I could try a different set of sources |
| 23:16.02 | abrotman | Azar: that's FTP .. |
| 23:16.20 | themill | swombat: can you pastebin your sources.list for us? |
| 23:16.21 | Azar | yes, so it can't be set? |
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| 23:16.45 | swombat | http://pastie.caboo.se/105521 |
| 23:17.21 | abrotman | swombat: i doubt that the mirror choice has much to do iwth it |
| 23:17.34 | swombat | abrotman: me too, but i'm a bit short on ideas! |
| 23:18.01 | abrotman | well .. sure .. try another mirror :) |
| 23:18.04 | themill | swombat: where does that ip addr come from then? that's nothing from your sources.list |
| 23:18.29 | swombat | that's a good point |
| 23:18.47 | swombat | why would apt-get want to connect to anything other than sources.list stuff? |
| 23:18.47 | themill | do you have other things in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 23:19.06 | swombat | nothing in there |
| 23:19.38 | ericP | maddash, progress (with visor). now messages: "19:15:25 Trying to open device /dev/ttyS0...", "19:15:45 Cannot accept Pilot (Success)", "19:15:45 Could not open device: /dev/ttyS0 (will retry)" even though i can $(cat /dev/ttyS0) |
| 23:19.40 | Azar | maybe just a gate/link towards the mirror? |
| 23:19.41 | _stokes | !xlock |
| 23:19.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xlock is a tool that locks your X session until you enter your password. Think of any use for such a program for yourself. |
| 23:19.50 | _stokes | but what package is it >:( |
| 23:19.54 | abrotman | Azar: no |
| 23:19.59 | abrotman | _stokes: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:20.02 | themill | swombat: It could be an internal/external dns... |
| 23:20.09 | abrotman | dns hijacking! |
| 23:20.16 | swombat | i'm gonna try a uk mirror |
| 23:20.18 | _stokes | ah |
| 23:20.21 | Azar | swombat: can't you verify the origin of that IP ? |
| 23:20.21 | abrotman | swombat: what do you get if you do name lookups on those two hostnames ? |
| 23:21.09 | swombat | I get 194.19.194.30 for mirrors.telianet.dk |
| 23:21.11 | abrotman | that IP belongs to a .dk whois |
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| 23:21.31 | abrotman | the 82.x.x.x one |
| 23:21.51 | swombat | yeah 82.103.143.252 is owned by my hosting provider |
| 23:22.02 | swombat | hmmm |
| 23:22.17 | themill | it's also a telia.net ip add |
| 23:22.29 | abrotman | do you get three IPs for security.debian.org ? |
| 23:22.39 | themill | proxy server? |
| 23:22.42 | maddash | omg I just saw serenity |
| 23:22.56 | maddash | that girl from 4400 was in it! |
| 23:23.03 | abrotman | maddash: #defocus |
| 23:23.09 | ericP | maddash, though cat gives me nothing |
| 23:23.10 | swombat | funny... even when changing the sources it still tries to connect to 82.103.143.252 |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | swombat: is it an http proxy perhaps ? |
| 23:23.32 | maddash | geez, what's with this damn wm? |
| 23:23.35 | swombat | possibly. In which case... port 8080? |
| 23:23.37 | themill | swombat: what port does strace say it's trying to connect to? |
| 23:23.45 | Azar | swombat: try using this to find out whois: http://www.all-nettools.com/toolbox |
| 23:23.51 | swombat | 0% [Connecting to 82.103.143.252 (82.103.143.252)] [Connecting to 82.103.143.252 (82.103.143.252)]) = 99 << is 99 the port? |
| 23:23.52 | maddash | ericP: because your palm is hooked up to ttyusb0 |
| 23:24.12 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.20 | abrotman | Azar: there's a CLI command called .. whois |
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| 23:24.35 | maddash | ericP: 'grep -i pilot /etc/udev/*' |
| 23:24.36 | Azar | oh there is? :) |
| 23:24.47 | abrotman | !tell Azar about grounding |
| 23:24.53 | cire | shouldn't it be possible to mount an .bin file with cdfs? The official homepage doesn't mention that. Does anybody know how to do that? |
| 23:24.54 | swombat | is 99 the port in that strace? |
| 23:25.07 | cire | (cdfs.ko is compiled and modprobed) |
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| 23:25.17 | ericP | maddash, i appear to not have udev running. is that loaded by module in the stock 2.6.22 ? |
| 23:25.45 | Azar | omfg!!!! how freaking COOL is!! |
| 23:25.51 | maddash | ericP: er, I think udev is always running... |
| 23:26.03 | Guerin | maddash: http://xkcd.com/311/ |
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| 23:26.11 | maddash | ericP: can you paste your entire dmesg? |
| 23:26.11 | ericP | maddash, i made that outrageous claim based on the lack of /dev/udev/... |
| 23:26.18 | maddash | ericP: pastebin* |
| 23:26.23 | swombat | well, opening up port 99 or 8080 doesn't help |
| 23:26.26 | Azar | abrotman: for the past 4 years I keep reading, this one was missed |
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| 23:26.34 | abrotman | that's a big one to miss :) |
| 23:26.39 | themill | swombat: I don't think so... that's the return code |
| 23:26.50 | Azar | yeah, I didn't focus on that direction before |
| 23:26.54 | swombat | aha! kernel logs to the rescue |
| 23:26.55 | swombat | Oct 10 01:26:36 e82-103-138-250s kernel: Dropped by default:IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=82.103.138.250 DST=82.103.143.252 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=54796 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40974 DPT=9990 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 23:26.59 | swombat | port 9990 |
| 23:27.05 | maddash | Guerin: hahAHA |
| 23:27.09 | swombat | what a bizarre choice |
| 23:27.17 | wols | cire: bin2iso or bchunk(er). linux can't mount bin files directly |
| 23:27.19 | ericP | maddash, i saw nothing from $(tail -0f /var/log/dmesg) |
| 23:27.25 | Azar | mister Guerin, you checked John Mayer stuff? |
| 23:27.35 | maddash | ericP: GEEZ. DMESG|LESS |
| 23:27.39 | swombat | ok it all works now! |
| 23:27.42 | maddash | ericP: sans caps |
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| 23:27.53 | swombat | thanks a lot to everyone who helped :-) It was http-proxying, through port 9990 |
| 23:27.53 | ericP | maddash, on it... |
| 23:27.58 | swombat | don't ask me why.. |
| 23:28.07 | Azar | swombat: thank you too, I learned something cool today! |
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| 23:28.17 | themill | swombat: good stuff. The http_proxy env variable or /etc/apt/preferences control that |
| 23:29.00 | swombat | :-) |
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| 23:29.10 | maddash | Guerin: geez, her last name is "Tam"; all this time, I heard, "river dam" |
| 23:29.18 | Azar | swombat: and your lesson today was... check the heavenly logs? |
| 23:29.25 | swombat | yes |
| 23:29.33 | swombat | dunno why i didn't start there, lol :-P |
| 23:29.33 | themill | heh |
| 23:29.40 | swombat | i've lost my good habits |
| 23:29.57 | swombat | what's the point of $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -j LOG --log-prefix "Dropped by default:" if not to check the logs? :-P |
| 23:30.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:30.22 | Azar | I do check the logs often, for no other reason that I am bored when abrotman is not here.. |
| 23:31.18 | karsten | abrotman: It's OK, I miss you too. |
| 23:31.32 | abrotman | karsten: that's because you like to touch me dirty |
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| 23:32.15 | Dave2 | :O |
| 23:32.32 | karsten | Dave2: Close that mouth before you give abrotman any ideas... |
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| 23:32.41 | karsten | :X |
| 23:32.45 | ericP | maddash, trying with ttyUSB0 per advice from dmesg (why doesn't tail /var/log/dmesg work?) ... couple mins while satane phone reboots |
| 23:32.56 | abrotman | bah .. i can't even spell that |
| 23:33.11 | karsten | ericP: /var/log/dmsg is written statically at boot with the contents of the kernel ring buffer at that point. |
| 23:33.38 | karsten | ericP: You can tail /proc/kmsg if you want to see further kernel buffer messages. Or /var/log/kern.log so long as sysklogd is running. |
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| 23:33.59 | ericP | karsten, may i only remember that long enough to not count on it in the future. tx |
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| 23:34.09 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 23:34.20 | karsten | ericP: Since the ring buffer is of a fixed size, saving a snapshot is useful to capture any messages from around that point in time. |
| 23:34.30 | ericP | maddash, i must be doing something right; my pilot keeps rebooting |
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| 23:35.15 | Ben_Cs | wanted to know how many people use "etch" and not "lenny" or "sid"? since "etch" is old (so i hear) is it usable=productive still? |
| 23:35.16 | wols | karsten: dpkg |
| 23:35.18 | karsten | ... other than a real OS. |
| 23:35.18 | maddash | ericP: 'rebooting'? |
| 23:35.29 | simonrvn | karsten: debian |
| 23:35.43 | ericP | maddash, yeah, like i just stuck the battery in |
| 23:35.53 | maddash | ericP: if you want to sync, you'll need a userspace client daemon in addition to visor |
| 23:35.54 | karsten | Ben_Cs: IRC polls aren't particularly useful. Popcon might give you some of this though I don't knwo that it tracks releases. |
| 23:36.02 | maddash | ericP: jpilot, dude. |
| 23:36.03 | karsten | simonrvn: yeah, yeah. |
| 23:36.17 | maddash | sudo aptipurge popcon |
| 23:36.22 | simonrvn | karsten: job thing, right? |
| 23:36.46 | ericP | maddash, was trying kpilot. will go to jpilot as soon as this times out ('cause if i kill kpilot it seems i kill my palm) |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | Ben_Cs: it also depends on the applicatoin of the machine |
| 23:37.03 | themill | Ben_Cs: etch is not old, it was released 6 months ago. Since redhat keeps distros around for 3 or more years, that's hardly old. |
| 23:37.26 | simonrvn | etch isn't old |
| 23:37.42 | themill | Ben_Cs: etch is still shiny :) |
| 23:38.07 | simonrvn | and where you need to polish it, there's backports and volatile |
| 23:38.24 | simonrvn | whois, SA, clamav, etc. |
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| 23:38.52 | guillaume1 | hello :) |
| 23:38.53 | themill | goodnight all! |
| 23:39.00 | simonrvn | themill: g'night |
| 23:39.01 | Ben_Cs | is the reason of debian slow release cycle is so that companies wont need to spend money on upgrading frequently or there're other considerations? |
| 23:39.27 | simonrvn | ...."spend money on upgrading"? |
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| 23:39.49 | ameyer | has too do with getting it right and not just shoving it out the door |
| 23:39.50 | dkr | heh |
| 23:39.50 | simonrvn | what, someone's salary for an hour? |
| 23:39.51 | guillaume1 | Ben_Cs: it' for developpement cycle I suppose |
| 23:39.59 | themill | Ben_Cs: no, it's because it takes time to produce quality. Something that other ahemuntu distros have forgotten. |
| 23:40.14 | ameyer | simonrvn: well, time = money for companies |
| 23:40.27 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 23:41.11 | simonrvn | i'm still expecing a *huge* cheque from me, i keep holding out me, it sucks |
| 23:41.17 | simonrvn | out on* |
| 23:41.37 | guillaume1 | I haven't see the gtk interface of weechat in lenny branch there's none ? |
| 23:41.39 | simonrvn | i should fire myself |
| 23:41.53 | wols | from a cannon? |
| 23:41.58 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 23:42.01 | Ben_Cs | well, ubuntu seems to have nice quality. but then it has a company behind it. debian is volunteers only right? |
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| 23:42.31 | themill | Ben_Cs: you've obviously never tried upgrading an ubuntu box |
| 23:42.33 | dkr | Ben_Cs: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ |
| 23:43.02 | simonrvn | "upgrading" and "ubuntu" do not go in the same sentence. it suffers from rh-itis |
| 23:43.28 | Supaplex | debian has a long standing and stable history. ubuntu has a lot of excitement, but it could blow over. we're here to weather out the storms. |
| 23:43.57 | Ben_Cs | did several upgrades of ubuntu, some versions went fine some didn't |
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| 23:45.05 | dalias | ubuntu is just kiddie hype |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | and you can talk about it in #ubuntu |
| 23:45.34 | dalias | indeed |
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| 23:45.43 | maddash | if it weren't for ubuntu's 'kiddie hype,' linux would be far less prominent than it is now |
| 23:45.49 | dalias | whatever |
| 23:45.50 | dkr | they probably frown on deriding it over there, though. :) |
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| 23:46.00 | stew | please go to #ubuntu to discuss ubuntu |
| 23:46.02 | Ben_Cs | the thing that i'm afraid about debian is that when installing (i like xfce) xfce will be totaly naked and i'll need to put too many howrs to it to setup everything, and i don't have too much spare time |
| 23:46.03 | simonrvn | no doubt ;) |
| 23:46.05 | dalias | why should we care how 'prominent' it is anyway? |
| 23:46.07 | Riot|AFK | jelly-home, hey let's say if I want to combine sdb with sda, is it possible |
| 23:46.09 | donaldo | does anyone have any advice for installing a java plugin for firefox on Etch? |
| 23:46.12 | dalias | what i care is how _good_ my os is |
| 23:46.16 | dalias | not how popular it is |
| 23:46.19 | abrotman | !tell donaldo about install java |
| 23:46.29 | abrotman | donaldo: there's a java5 plugin in non-free |
| 23:46.29 | karsten | simonrvn: Yeah. |
| 23:46.36 | dkr | dalias: normal humans, as opposed to selfish geeks like us, :) |
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| 23:47.04 | gouti | How can I install asterisk 1.4 with apt-get on Debian? Whenever I use apt-get, it's installed v1.2 |
| 23:47.06 | simonrvn | karsten: yeh, though so. you wouldn't install it unless you were forced to ;p |
| 23:47.36 | karsten | simonrvn: ;-) |
| 23:47.40 | stew | Ben_Cs: if you have a config you like for xfce on a ubuntu machine, you can copy it to debian and expect it to work |
| 23:47.42 | guillaume1 | still have a bug with xsane and canon lide30 scanner under lenny 2.6.22-2... (black preview and picture file) goggle didn't help Is there anybody here who solve that problem ? |
| 23:47.44 | donaldo | abrotman: is there a separate package for the firefox plugin? |
| 23:47.48 | Supaplex | Ben_Cs: it's bare by design (mostly). some meta-packages can conglomerate a larger install, but some of us enjoy cherry picking the packages we want. I'm sure you can reverse that with some other distoro and reinstall the tiny bits, but that's beyond our scope here. |
| 23:47.58 | abrotman | donaldo: i just told you .. there's a java5 plugin package |
| 23:48.01 | karsten | simonrvn: We're pretty much RHEL/SLES here. Though there's an Ubuntu fanclub (it's a good bet in a corporate env). |
| 23:48.09 | stew | gouti: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:48.11 | abchirk | Hi all! :) |
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| 23:48.15 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-plugin etch |
| 23:48.18 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 23:48.20 | simonrvn | karsten: their server version, eh |
| 23:48.20 | donaldo | abrotman: oh, sorry, i completely missed the word 'plugin' ... sigh |
| 23:48.33 | zorton | can someone explain why I need hostap? is it just for a better encryption key for the connection beyond the base iwconfig key setting? |
| 23:48.42 | stew | gouti: you won't be able to backport asterisk all in one shot, becuase you'll have to also, as part of the process backport some of its dependencies, but i've done it, and all you need are the instructions in /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 23:49.02 | karsten | simonrvn: Frankly, the image team here (I work close to them) would likely say "it's Ubuntu" and pretty much carve up the packages to suite. |
| 23:49.05 | ericP | maddash, seems there's a wierd dance where i press sync on jpilot, it looks for a device that doesn't yet, tells me to press the sync button, and then maybe re-opens the device? (not sure -- no evidence so far) |
| 23:49.08 | abrotman | i think there's a website that keeps asterisk backports |
| 23:49.14 | gouti | stew, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 23:49.23 | gouti | abrotman, do you remember what it is? |
| 23:49.24 | simonrvn | to backport heimdal 1.0.1 i had to backport about a dozen other packages... |
| 23:49.31 | karsten | ericP: Yeah, I've seen that, back when I still used a digital PDA. |
| 23:49.33 | gouti | is 1.4 a backport? |
| 23:49.53 | abrotman | gouti: ah .. i wish .. but it's been awhile |
| 23:49.59 | gouti | apt-get installs 1.2, but I want 1.4... just wanted to say this just in case of mis-communication |
| 23:50.07 | karsten | ericP: I find these are much better supported: http://www.moleskineus.com/pocket.html |
| 23:50.07 | ericP | karsten, i had one before, and i recall a complex dance (though i didn't recall needing visor until reminded) |
| 23:50.14 | simonrvn | karsten: yeh, i'd say that too, if i had a choice between rhel and ubuntu |
| 23:50.17 | stew | gouti: 1.2 is in stable and 1.4 is in testing and unstable, if you want to run 1.4 in stable you need to backport it from testing or unstable, which basically is just recompiling it against the libs in stable |
| 23:50.18 | bush | is there a hyperterm equivalent available in debian |
| 23:50.31 | gouti | ahhh.. gotcha |
| 23:50.37 | abrotman | bush: minicom or kermit |
| 23:50.43 | simonrvn | "fish"? |
| 23:50.43 | gouti | karsten, it's a random name |
| 23:51.04 | bush | thanks abrotman |
| 23:51.05 | karsten | gouti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti |
| 23:51.33 | dudeman | good evening |
| 23:51.52 | Supaplex | dude 'sup |
| 23:52.00 | dudeman | hi sct |
| 23:52.11 | dudeman | umm |
| 23:52.12 | dudeman | supa |
| 23:52.37 | abrotman | could have sworn i ignored that one last night |
| 23:52.52 | simonrvn | @wiki Ghoti |
| 23:52.57 | ravenbird | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{otheruses4|spelling irregularities in English|people of western Bengal|Ghotis}} {{IPA notice}} 'Ghoti' is a constructed example word used to illustrate irregularities in English spelling. It is pronounced {{IPA|/fɪʃ/}}, just like "fish": * gh, {{IPA|/f/}} as in "laugh", {{IPA|/læf, læːf, ... |
| 23:53.04 | wols | maybe it's another one. they probably multiply. like rabbits |
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| 23:53.17 | simonrvn | like grues |
| 23:54.05 | abrotman | that's a useless wiki :) |
| 23:54.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 23:54.47 | dudeman | well |
| 23:54.55 | dudeman | in urdu/hindi ghoti means female donkey :) |
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| 23:55.15 | Supaplex | now that we've had our culture and language lessons for the day... |
| 23:55.15 | simonrvn | heh, cool, language lesson :) |
| 23:55.16 | dudeman | ghota means donkey so you know just for general knowledge |
| 23:55.18 | dudeman | :D |
| 23:55.27 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 23:55.34 | dudeman | anything for you man |
| 23:55.45 | cire | wols: sorry for late answer, I was busy searching for a solution. You say linux can't mount bin/cue files directly, but wasn't cdfs supposed to do that? And if bchunk can translate a .bin to .iso, why is there no tool to mount it directly - this should be possible then. or would that be too slow? (or nobody was interested in such a solution) |
| 23:56.08 | simonrvn | i thought i sensed a stoned =) |
| 23:56.09 | dudeman | cire: you can, but not natively |
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| 23:56.21 | dudeman | !cdemu |
| 23:56.21 | dpkg | CDemu is a kernel module for Linux. It is designed to simulate a CD drive + CD with just simple cue/bin files. You can use it to watch an SVCD or mount the data track of an bin/cue. You should use mplayer to watch SVCD movies stored as cue/bin file, it also supports it. http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:56.52 | dudeman | cire: ^^ |
| 23:57.11 | cire | cdemu doesn't compile here. googled for a solution for the problem - wasn't successful. |
| 23:57.18 | dudeman | simonrvn: yes, I am the dudeman, dude |
| 23:57.19 | dudeman | man |
| 23:57.19 | cire | thanks anyway |
| 23:57.28 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:57.43 | simonrvn | i should go get some stuff at the store.. |
| 23:57.44 | dudeman | !info cdemu |
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| 23:57.45 | Supaplex | it's so eazy to convert to iso anyway. *yawn* |
| 23:57.52 | dudeman | hmm |
| 23:58.00 | dudeman | its not packaged i wonder |
| 23:58.12 | Supaplex | !tell dudeman -about search |
| 23:58.22 | dudeman | Supaplex: I'm aware |
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| 23:58.29 | dudeman | Supaplex: :) |
| 23:58.32 | cire | Supaplex: I am doing this now (converting with bchunk, thanks to wols for the hint) but thought it should be easier... |
| 23:58.51 | dudeman | cire: cdemu compiles fine here under etch and sid, I have it installed on both machines |
| 23:59.13 | dudeman | Supaplex: stoned. |
| 23:59.13 | cire | dudeman: which kernel version are you using? i have 2.6.22-2-686. |
| 23:59.23 | dudeman | 2.6.18 and 2.6.21 |
| 23:59.33 | cire | where did you fetch cdemu? |
| 23:59.39 | dudeman | sourceforce |
| 23:59.42 | dudeman | forge |
| 23:59.53 | amphi | the dude abides... |
| 23:59.55 | cire | okay, I'll have a look, perhaps I got an outdated package |