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| 00:00.30 | cmanns | I think I did but I'll give it another shot |
| 00:00.41 | cmanns | gcc worked fine, icc didnt so |
| 00:00.50 | wols | cmanns: ask intel, not us |
| 00:00.52 | KnickLighter | Where do I configure which x-session my pc uses? |
| 00:00.55 | cmanns | alright |
| 00:01.25 | guillaume | abrotman: I change my smb.conf by default one taken from doc but it's not working too. nautilus network window is very long to open and doesn't display my computer and others that are in windows network groups |
| 00:01.26 | wols | KnickLighter: ~/.xsession ? |
| 00:01.34 | \amethyst | KnickLighter: do you mean which login manager, or which desktop environment runs after logging in? |
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| 00:01.54 | KnickLighter | i am vnc'ing to my box |
| 00:01.59 | KnickLighter | but now it starts xfce |
| 00:02.04 | KnickLighter | and i want it to run kde |
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| 00:02.53 | fasta | KnickLighter: that's a vnc FAQ |
| 00:03.18 | KnickLighter | but im using debian :d |
| 00:03.46 | guillaume | abrotman: I think my computer can't be see on the network by others too, but I 'll check that |
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| 00:05.44 | KnickLighter | \amethyst; i need to edit some config |
| 00:05.48 | KnickLighter | i forgot which one it was |
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| 00:06.15 | \amethyst | KnickLighter: for VNC it's ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 00:06.43 | KnickLighter | yea thought so too but that file isnt there |
| 00:07.00 | \amethyst | I don't know how vnc chooses the defaults if the file isn't there |
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| 00:08.11 | guillaume | abrotman: I was wrong, my computer is viewable on the network by others, but there's no shared folder (I think it's due to new smb.conf and doesn't matter) |
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| 00:11.51 | KnickLighter | anyway |
| 00:12.01 | KnickLighter | What file do I edit to select the main interface? |
| 00:12.15 | dondelelcaro | KnickLighter: main interface? |
| 00:12.21 | dondelelcaro | there's no such thing, really |
| 00:12.25 | KnickLighter | xorg. |
| 00:13.03 | dondelelcaro | oh, you mean your window manager or some such? Depends on which DM you're using; you generally select it there or you specify it in your .xsession |
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| 00:13.35 | KnickLighter | DM = ? |
| 00:13.48 | \amethyst | KnickLighter: vncserver *might* start x-window-manager, in which case update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 00:14.14 | pale_blue | display manager. |
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| 00:20.15 | gunnar | Hello, I have been haveing some flacky problems with my computer. Any one know of a good diagnostic program? |
| 00:20.57 | civillian | gunnar: memtest-86 ? |
| 00:21.34 | gunnar | will try it. Any more ideas also apreciated. |
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| 00:22.08 | civillian | can you be more specific about 'flacky'? flakey? |
| 00:22.44 | simon | maybe his computer was hit by a flack cannon |
| 00:22.50 | civillian | lol |
| 00:22.51 | guillaume | abrotman: thank you after rebooting I can now get acess to shared ressources |
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| 00:23.09 | abrotman | guillaume: i didn't do much :) |
| 00:23.25 | karsten | Ah. dailoom |
| 00:23.31 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
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| 00:23.41 | karsten | Erm, ignore. |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | karsten: #-ops? :) |
| 00:24.00 | guillaume | abrotman: I had a message complaining about network-navigator applet that can't start after gnome session open and then all bring back |
| 00:24.04 | utopia_ | i have just switched from using apt-get to aptitude, but when i use aprtitude it tries to remove packages i dont want removed..anyone know a solution?? |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | guillaume: ah .. sounds bad .. but okay |
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| 00:24.29 | karsten | abrotman: Wrong channel ;-) |
| 00:24.44 | abrotman | utopia_: man aptitude .. mark them correctly |
| 00:24.47 | karsten | abrotman: In scrollback here and switching between. |
| 00:24.48 | abrotman | karsten: duh .. |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | karsten: we don't like that guy! |
| 00:25.09 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, better that than running 'fdisk' in the wrong term window. |
| 00:25.19 | guillaume | utopia_: mark them for keeping them |
| 00:25.24 | abrotman | karsten: that only matters if you're running around as root :) |
| 00:25.44 | karsten | abrotman: Well, 'sudo fdisk'... or various mdadm commands. |
| 00:25.46 | guillaume | abrotman: I use the link to this applet and all is fine :) |
| 00:26.01 | abrotman | karsten: you'd give sudo fdisk access ? |
| 00:26.02 | epsilon | does the etch netinstall support 2ware raid controller? |
| 00:26.06 | epsilon | *3ware |
| 00:26.20 | abrotman | epsilon: i'd say it depends on the controller .. but on some level yes |
| 00:26.39 | karsten | abrotman: In the current environment, yes. Sudo itself is restricted by various means, fdisk is allowed only for a certain set of users, of which I'm a member. |
| 00:26.53 | abrotman | karsten: that's disgusting |
| 00:26.59 | karsten | abrotman: It is? |
| 00:27.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: sudo rocks! |
| 00:27.26 | utopia_ | thanks |
| 00:27.36 | karsten | abrotman: Are you suggesting I'd be likely to go around sticking my fdisk where it doesn't belong? |
| 00:27.41 | gunnar | OK These are repeatable errors : firefox will just quite, no errors . Kernel compile will quite with a couple of errors (from gcc) about OS or Hardware errors. I was untaring kernel source and got errors from bzip that it was croupt. |
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| 00:27.43 | abrotman | karsten: seems a bit .. wrong .. nothing something you'd need frequently enough to dole out sudo rights for |
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| 00:27.55 | abrotman | gunnar: FF does that |
| 00:27.57 | karsten | abrotman: 3500 hosts say you're wrong. |
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| 00:28.06 | abrotman | gunnar: are there disk errrors in your syslog |
| 00:28.14 | \amethyst | abrotman: how else is someone supposed to run fdisk? |
| 00:28.19 | \amethyst | abrotman: get a root shell? |
| 00:28.22 | karsten | abrotman: It's something I run often enough that jumping through hoops for the privilege would be annoying. |
| 00:28.26 | abrotman | how often do you guys run fdisk |
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| 00:28.57 | abrotman | and my 401k website .. *sucks* .. i hope those chimps are rich |
| 00:29.01 | sponner | hello |
| 00:29.04 | jelly-home | 3500 hosts... if a disk fails on a host every 5 years, that's two failures per day |
| 00:29.34 | karsten | abrotman: No, the question is: How often do we run command foo, and how much time do we want to spend 1). locking down command foo, 2). establishing a policy for command foo, and 3). servicing necessary exeptions to the policy for command foo. Not to mention 4). fixing problems in the implimentation of restrictions for command foo. |
| 00:30.06 | abrotman | how often do you really fdisk .. jeez :) |
| 00:30.19 | karsten | abrotman: Turns out that there are several well-known and widely used workarounds for various sudo restrictions already imposed. |
| 00:30.39 | gunnar | I have it running memtest-86 now. I have been getting disk errors from my cd-rom but not my ATA drive. |
| 00:30.51 | CB07257 | karsten: like login as root? :) |
| 00:31.00 | karsten | abrotman: You don't get it. It's not fdisk, it's categorizing all the commands which you might want to restrict, and/or dealing with the restrictions. The root user perms are held by a set of a dozen or so admins. |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | karsten: still wouldn't do it :) |
| 00:31.42 | karsten | CB07257: I'm disinclined to discuss specifics of security, however I'm sure you could posit some possible scenarios. I'll neither confirm nor deny. |
| 00:31.53 | sponner | hello i need help for pureftpd on mysql |
| 00:32.05 | karsten | abrotman: Given a balance of risks and benefits, the current setup is not bad. |
| 00:32.11 | karsten | !tell sponner about ask |
| 00:32.18 | abrotman | karsten: isn't it also RH systems? :) |
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| 00:32.25 | karsten | abrotman: No. |
| 00:32.35 | yoge | Hi |
| 00:32.37 | karsten | abrotman: Not purely. |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | karsten: ah .. mixed .. okay |
| 00:33.21 | sponner | i implemented the pureftp with mysql and bandwithlimit |
| 00:33.37 | karsten | abrotman: There are 638 binaries in /sbin and /usr/sbin alone to deal with for policy, on RHEL3, for starters. |
| 00:33.50 | abrotman | or not deal with |
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| 00:34.08 | karsten | abrotman: Some of them are dealt with. |
| 00:34.15 | karsten | abrotman: Some of them are even dealt with reasonably. |
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| 00:34.23 | karsten | abrotman: A subset of those are dealt with correctly ;-) |
| 00:34.38 | sponner | the problem is the bandwith if i up the file to the server the connection is very slow |
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| 00:34.48 | jelly-home | as if anyone would want to run /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 00:35.14 | karsten | abrotman: It's more the administrative / political environment of proposing, developing, administering, and maintaining a sane policy set that strikes me as untenable. |
| 00:35.18 | abrotman | /usr/lib/sendmail on RH isn't it ? |
| 00:35.21 | sponner | in the bandwith configuration is set 100 |
| 00:35.21 | |porta| | how can I fix this? root hd3,0 filesystem tyep is ext2fs partition type 0x83 error 15: file not found |
| 00:35.59 | karsten | |porta|: Um, that error / output comes from what? |
| 00:36.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: well, RHEL4 has both |
| 00:36.20 | |porta| | grub trying to load a usb hd |
| 00:36.40 | |porta| | the installation worked and installing of grub was good but when it rebooted that is what I got. |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: is one a symlink ? |
| 00:37.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: both are handled via alternatives |
| 00:37.11 | abrotman | ew |
| 00:37.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: so you can keep multiple MTAs around if you want to |
| 00:38.03 | karsten | |porta|: You want to read the grub info pages, Troubleshooting, Stage 2 errors. |
| 00:38.27 | karsten | 15: File not found: This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition ifno) is OK. |
| 00:38.44 | karsten | |porta|: Which suggests that you've got something missing / misnamed on your root filesystem. |
| 00:38.58 | |porta| | hmm... it is a fresh install. |
| 00:38.59 | |porta| | ty |
| 00:39.15 | |porta| | info pages. you meen the man pages? |
| 00:39.22 | karsten | !info |
| 00:39.34 | karsten | |porta|: No, info pages. |
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| 00:39.50 | karsten | |porta|: They're like man pages, but longer, harder to read, and uncut, I mean, useless. |
| 00:39.54 | valdyn | |porta|: grub is probably just looking on the wrong disk |
| 00:40.03 | karsten | |porta|: They're preferred by the GNU project/FSF. |
| 00:40.05 | valdyn | |porta|: what's your root=(hdx,y) ? |
| 00:40.07 | tempboy | hi all just finished installing etch. what are a few good apt-get sources ? i did netinst and now i need to add repos |
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| 00:40.22 | tempboy | install kept timing out when i tried adding them during install |
| 00:40.36 | beardy | !apt-setup |
| 00:40.36 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 00:40.40 | karsten | !tell tempboy about apt-setup |
| 00:40.45 | wols | !tell tempboy about sources.list |
| 00:40.50 | abrotman | karsten: apt-setup is gone? |
| 00:40.57 | karsten | abrotman: Is it? |
| 00:40.58 | wols | long gone |
| 00:40.59 | |porta| | if i understand.. my main hd is hd0,1 and the drive i am trying to boot is usb sda |
| 00:41.01 | abrotman | in etch it is |
| 00:41.01 | jelly-home | !tell me a fable |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | and sid |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | and lenny |
| 00:41.12 | abrotman | and experimental |
| 00:41.17 | valdyn | |porta|: no, not that |
| 00:41.24 | karsten | abrotman: Damned abuse of sudo, I say! |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | !tell jelly-home about fable |
| 00:41.41 | beardy | and testing |
| 00:41.44 | beardy | and unstable |
| 00:41.47 | karsten | abrotman: netselect-apt seems to be the replacement. |
| 00:41.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's not syntactically correct |
| 00:41.57 | valdyn | |porta|: grub has a reference to BIOS disks, those are only expressed as hdx,y in grub ( see the line starting with 'root' ) |
| 00:42.08 | |porta| | ahh... root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 00:42.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: don't argue with me .. i've got .. uhm .. paper! |
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| 00:42.21 | valdyn | |porta|: that line does not start with root |
| 00:42.26 | maddash | !ping |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:42.33 | karsten | abrotman: ... and I've got the toilet. |
| 00:42.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: is it shiny! |
| 00:42.50 | abrotman | karsten: put the RH in the toilet! |
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| 00:42.56 | |porta| | that is the only thing I see with root |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: not really .. standard paper AFAICT |
| 00:43.13 | beardy | Yes what is up with him and RH? |
| 00:43.20 | valdyn | |porta|: that's the kernel boot line, it starts with 'kernel' |
| 00:43.29 | tempboy | thanks |
| 00:43.39 | valdyn | |porta|: there's a line "root (hd0,0)" for instance |
| 00:43.39 | maddash | phew, it works |
| 00:43.40 | karsten | beardy: I work at a RH shop, and abrotman is afraid I might forget that fact or something. |
| 00:43.45 | |porta| | it has kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 then root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 00:44.03 | abrotman | karsten: really doesn't bother me .. i have a few windows boxes at my office :) |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | erm .. servers .. not boxes |
| 00:44.12 | beardy | karsten: You still have your head in the right place though, right? |
| 00:44.36 | valdyn | |porta|: its 4 lines at most, how can you not find it? |
| 00:44.46 | beardy | Or heart, both. |
| 00:44.51 | karsten | beardy: Well, where I'm at, it's dark, and smells funny. You tell me.... |
| 00:45.07 | |porta| | im at the grub boot screen.... and hit e for edit and it shows my 4 lines.. first is root hd3,0 |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | karsten: the toilet? |
| 00:45.14 | beardy | Hahaha |
| 00:45.18 | valdyn | |porta|: finally |
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| 00:45.23 | |porta| | that is it? |
| 00:45.32 | karsten | abrotman: Speaking of |portal|s.... |
| 00:45.33 | tempboy | thanks all |
| 00:45.36 | tempboy | i'm out for now :) |
| 00:45.45 | valdyn | |porta|: that _should_ be hd0,0 if you boot from the same disk that has grub on it |
| 00:46.16 | |porta| | ahhh... with it being a usb and having 3 ide hd's would that be why it has hd3? |
| 00:46.34 | valdyn | |porta|: no |
| 00:46.41 | |porta| | ?? |
| 00:46.46 | |porta| | please explain |
| 00:46.49 | valdyn | |porta|: its hd3 because your bios made it hd3 at that time |
| 00:46.58 | |porta| | ok |
| 00:46.59 | valdyn | |porta|: its certainly not hd3 when your bios boots from it |
| 00:47.20 | |porta| | ok so now it is hd0 and the internals will be hd2 and so on? |
| 00:47.39 | valdyn | |porta|: that's how it should be, yes |
| 00:47.44 | |porta| | why dosn't the man pages explain that or the grub --help? |
| 00:47.48 | |porta| | thank you! |
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| 00:48.17 | |porta| | I have googled and tried to do a fdisk and grub to load the boot and this is the first time it has booted.. ty!! only tool 3 weeks :-) |
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| 00:48.56 | beardy | :win |porta| |
| 00:49.00 | beardy | !win |porta| |
| 00:49.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, |porta|! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 00:49.27 | |porta| | will I need to edit the menu.ls to make this permanent or with the e for edit in the main boot menu will it be permanet? |
| 00:49.35 | |porta| | I strongly dislike aol |
| 00:49.38 | |porta| | :-) |
| 00:49.44 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:49.49 | Nyle | aol was our playground back in the day |
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| 00:49.56 | rhsanborn | Are there really significant performance benefits for using the AMD64 build as opposed to the i386 build on an AMD64 system? The package list for i386 seems to be much more robust. |
| 00:50.08 | Nyle | good old jr. high years |
| 00:50.09 | beardy | You can still do something fun with them. |
| 00:50.23 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 00:50.23 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 00:50.25 | |porta| | had a box and they make good flower pots... put them on a cup at 300 deg. and they slowly melt and form around the cup...... had some time and throwing them was boring... |
| 00:51.24 | beardy | Nice idea. What source of heating? |
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| 00:51.40 | |porta| | regular oven... a open fire had problems..... brother's leg cought on fire.... |
| 00:51.50 | |porta| | all were drunk... |
| 00:51.54 | Nyle | thats funny |
| 00:52.18 | Nyle | its like that scene in Dumb & Dumber but they weren't drunk, just dumb |
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| 00:52.49 | |porta| | ok with installing a debian system without the desktop checked by using aptitude install gnome will it install what it needs for gnome to work? |
| 00:53.00 | valdyn | |porta|: no |
| 00:53.02 | |porta| | I no longer drink.... |
| 00:53.08 | |porta| | for good reasons! |
| 00:53.11 | valdyn | |porta|: at least no if you want to run gnome locally |
| 00:53.28 | valdyn | |porta|: aptitude install gnome xorg ( maybe gdm too ) |
| 00:53.41 | wols | !Install gnome |
| 00:53.42 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 00:53.43 | beardy | Doesn't gnome depend on both? |
| 00:53.55 | |porta| | ok... there were something around 86 packages installed where it's usually 700 some packages.. |
| 00:53.55 | wols | beardy: of course not |
| 00:54.05 | beardy | wols: Why of course not? |
| 00:54.06 | valdyn | beardy: x is network transparent |
| 00:54.11 | valdyn | beardy: hence gnome is too |
| 00:54.16 | wols | beardy: cause you can run gnome without an installed X server |
| 00:54.37 | |porta| | would that be a remote gnome or gnome-session? |
| 00:54.49 | wols | yes |
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| 00:55.14 | maddash | boring |
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| 00:56.31 | weld | hi, what's the name of the CC environmet variable? |
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| 00:56.53 | Nyle | CC |
| 00:57.00 | Cheef-Daniel | hi |
| 00:57.16 | wols | Nyle: must have been a trick question |
| 00:57.21 | Nyle | export CC=/blah/blah |
| 00:57.42 | Nyle | wols: the kind of people i have to deal with everyday, you can expect people to ask questions like these |
| 00:57.56 | weld | Nyle: CC doesn't exist here..? |
| 00:58.08 | Nyle | seriously, some of the dumbest people I come across at work |
| 00:58.12 | weld | sorry |
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| 00:59.00 | beardy | gdm is brought in anyway. |
| 00:59.00 | asarch | How can I reconfigure the keyboard? |
| 00:59.05 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:59.05 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 00:59.06 | asarch | To select another map |
| 00:59.18 | asarch | Thank you very much |
| 01:00.21 | Cheef-Daniel | my hosted server did a unexpected restart tonight so I checked the logs, it looks like the server had a powerloss or something. |
| 01:00.29 | Nyle | wols: last week we got a system in, and the (seemingly smart enough guy) put a floppy disk in the cdrom drive and totaled it. I thought it must be kids, but no, it was him. |
| 01:00.35 | beardy | wols: valddyn: gdm is brought in anyway. |
| 01:00.38 | Nyle | wols: thats just one example, I got plenty |
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| 01:01.41 | Cheef-Daniel | tripwire shows me that every's file device number has changed from 30 to 36. What is the meaning of this and why could this happened? |
| 01:01.52 | Nyle | this one lady there for 20 minutes waiting for the website to load. he only typed the url, didn't hit enter or click go ( in the net cafe) |
| 01:03.31 | Nyle | er.. she sat there |
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| 01:09.37 | Cheef-Daniel | is my english so bad, or is nobody online? ;) |
| 01:11.01 | abrotman | the devices in /dev/ ? |
| 01:11.09 | pale_blue | hardware reconfiguration/re-enumeration? |
| 01:11.14 | abrotman | new kernel ? |
| 01:11.53 | Cheef-Daniel | there were a kernel change a few day ago I think |
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| 01:12.22 | cmanns | How do I stop iptables? |
| 01:12.23 | Cheef-Daniel | it was the first reboot after that |
| 01:13.01 | pale_blue | stop? as in flush all rules? |
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| 01:14.20 | cmanns | no, disable iptables |
| 01:14.48 | cmanns | My friends testing something and he needs access to a ports that are blocked and it'd be easier to just have the firewall off atm |
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| 01:15.55 | Cheef-Daniel | the exact message of tripwire is for example: 'Modified object name: /usr/sbin/a2dissite, Device Number expected:30 observed: 36 ' |
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| 01:16.18 | pike__ | man i just plugged in a bluetooth usb mouse and keyboard for kicks and it works with no config. that is right after plugging in a new dlink wireless card and having it just work. |
| 01:16.31 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: you think this has to do with the new kernel? |
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| 01:17.07 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: it's possible .. but i didn't think device numbers changed |
| 01:17.10 | scrillaz | cool pike_ |
| 01:17.24 | scrillaz | what debian r u using? |
| 01:17.28 | pike__ | etch |
| 01:17.34 | scrillaz | k |
| 01:17.45 | scrillaz | i use lenny |
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| 01:18.04 | pale_blue | maybe i'm missing something here, but why would something in /usr/sbin have device numbers? |
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| 01:18.13 | seanp2k | pike__, see, debian isn't hard |
| 01:18.35 | seanp2k | i have found etch has less problems than ubuntu for daily use |
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| 01:19.06 | seanp2k | however, i still give ubuntu credit for getting me into *nix. That and freebsd. |
| 01:19.52 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: but this message says device changed from 30 to 36, right? -so it must be changed |
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| 01:20.36 | abrotman | i thought it was a device .. not a file |
| 01:21.21 | pike__ | yeah freebsd was the first kernel i compiled. it was more approachable than linux in that area at least |
| 01:22.29 | Cheef-Daniel | its a device number of a file, i dont know what this is for or if is it a problem |
| 01:24.30 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: i know this isn't definite .. but what's the modified time ? |
| 01:25.18 | Cheef-Daniel | its the same time the server did the reboot |
| 01:25.58 | Cheef-Daniel | the only thing I know is a few days ago I installed a new kernel update with apt-get, yesterday night i got the unexpected reboot, and after that tripwire shows me that every files device number has changed |
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| 01:26.41 | Cheef-Daniel | the files checksum, size... is the same. Only device number has changed |
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| 01:30.58 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: don't do that |
| 01:31.35 | Cheef-Daniel | what do you mean? |
| 01:31.49 | Cheef-Daniel | the time thing? |
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| 01:33.08 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: was there an apache update ? |
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| 01:34.11 | Cheef-Daniel | you mean because of the /usr/sbin/a2dismod file? there are over 1700 files which have the same problem and doesnt belong to apache |
| 01:34.31 | Cheef-Daniel | it was only an example of the tripwire report |
| 01:35.35 | Cheef-Daniel | \/usr/sbin, /usr/sbin/apt-setup ... |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | Cheef-Daniel: i'd ask the debian-kernel mailing list .. |
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| 01:37.33 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: yes, it is the next thing I will try |
| 01:37.49 | Cheef-Daniel | abrotman: thanks for your help |
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| 01:38.25 | peterS | Cheef-Daniel: hmmm, device number? I'd assume that means the kernel computes a different device for mount points now |
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| 01:39.23 | peterS | Cheef-Daniel: what kernel update was this? |
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| 01:40.13 | grotesque_six | hey |
| 01:40.26 | Cheef-Daniel | I must check the log but it was the last kernel-image a few days ago for etch |
| 01:40.43 | Cheef-Daniel | it comes with apt-get update |
| 01:40.46 | grotesque_six | just a quick question |
| 01:40.48 | peterS | Cheef-Daniel: also, device numbers 30 and 36 both seem suspicious. I'd expect device numbers of at least 769 |
| 01:41.04 | peterS | (that being /dev/hda1) |
| 01:41.04 | grotesque_six | will debian use the nvidia drivers from the nvidia web site? |
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| 01:41.29 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:41.30 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 01:41.37 | bush | what abrotman said |
| 01:41.45 | peterS | you mean what dpkg said |
| 01:42.08 | bush | details |
| 01:42.14 | bush | minor one at that |
| 01:42.16 | bush | ;) |
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| 01:42.56 | peterS | yeah, abotman, dpkg, what's the difference |
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| 01:43.09 | Cheef-Daniel | may be the low numbers has to do with this 'special' server, it is a hosted vserver |
| 01:43.10 | various123 | can someone help me with compiling the alsa sound drivers? |
| 01:43.35 | peterS | Cheef-Daniel: oh, possibly. what is your root device, anyway? ('df /', first column) |
| 01:44.38 | peterS | various123: this might seem annoying but we have to ask: why compile them? almost all sound cards will work with built-in Etch kernel alsa drivers already |
| 01:46.15 | various123 | peterS, ahh yes...but i am unfortunate and mine don't work. I've been following the bugs in alsa, and miny card has always had a problem, but they have released a patch, which i applied, but now i'm just having trouble compiling :p |
| 01:46.25 | Cheef-Daniel | one moment please, I must first power on my key-server |
| 01:47.18 | peterS | various123: the usual thing is to install the 'alsa-source' package and do what it says in the package description for that. after perhaps applying the patch you found. |
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| 01:47.46 | peterS | various123: it probably supports module-assistant, which would make your job a little easier yet. I haven't tried it. |
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| 01:48.38 | various123 | peterS, well i'm following the alsa website, but i'm getting an error duing the "make" command |
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| 01:48.59 | various123 | peterS, if you want to see it, its at http://pastebin.com/m7ea39322 |
| 01:48.59 | peterS | various123: don't use the make command then. use the debian infrastructure, either kernel-package or module-assistant |
| 01:49.06 | various123 | oh |
| 01:49.37 | various123 | peterS, what exactly is module assistant? |
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| 01:50.11 | peterS | various123: it's a package that aims to make it easier to build external kernel modules for use in a debian system with kernels either provided by debian or built using debian's make-kpkg |
| 01:51.12 | peterS | I'm fortunate enough (well, I chose) to own only hardware that is already well supported by debian kernels, so I've never had to learn anything about module-assistant, or for that matter kernel-package |
| 01:51.25 | various123 | ahh i see...thanks |
| 01:51.33 | bush | anybody know of a subnet calculator for kde? |
| 01:52.05 | peterS | bush: bah, just deal in subnets for a living and within half a week you'll be able to do them in your head |
| 01:52.48 | bush | i dont deal in subnets unfortunately |
| 01:52.49 | peterS | people will nickname you the Network Address Translator |
| 01:54.50 | Cheef-Daniel | peterS: the root is on /dev/vzfs |
| 01:55.26 | peterS | Cheef-Daniel: ahhh, so you're using virtualisation of a form I haven't used. I don't know what would cause the numbers to change on that, but it doesn't really surprise me |
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| 01:56.24 | Cheef-Daniel | so it has to do with the virtualisation of my hosting provider? |
| 01:57.12 | peterS | Cheef-Daniel: I am honestly not sure whether it's the fault of the hosting provider or the fault of how its devices are interpreted by your own kernel |
| 01:58.56 | Cheef-Daniel | hm, I will ask my provider about that. Maybe they changed something so this would explain the reboot too |
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| 02:02.44 | peterS | Cheef-Daniel: you're not Cheef Dan from a.m.c 10+ years ago, by any chance? |
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| 02:02.52 | peterS | errr, r.m.c |
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| 02:03.25 | Cheef-Daniel | no I think not, whats r.m.c? |
| 02:03.34 | peterS | if you don't know, you aren't him (: |
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| 02:04.15 | peterS | (hint, my correction changed "alt" to "rec") |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | rec.media.chickenporn ? |
| 02:04.38 | peterS | possibly |
| 02:05.05 | Cheef-Daniel | and I thought my nick wasn't used before |
| 02:05.13 | Cheef-Daniel | need a new one ^^ |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | maybe 'whstrgjuuuu' would work for you ? |
| 02:06.15 | peterS | well, I have no idea if this other guy was ever on IRC. I just thought the spelling 'Cheef' was unusual for two people named Dan (or Daniel) to both think of |
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| 02:12.16 | nathan__ | can konqueror use java? |
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| 02:17.53 | mikefoo | For some reason of out over servers keeps rebooting, when I do a last I get " reboot system boot 2.6.8-3-686-smp Wed Oct 10 22:11 (00:04)" |
| 02:18.05 | mikefoo | does this mean someone/something issues the reboot? |
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| 02:18.37 | alekz | Hi, anyone knows how to enable "beeps" every time I get a priv message in irssi? |
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| 02:21.35 | towski | is there some way, given a partially downloaded file and a download url, to continue the download? |
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| 02:21.44 | regulate | anyone use hibernate? |
| 02:21.45 | neuro_damage | anyone gotten this device working, Broadcom Corporation Unknown device 4328 |
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| 02:22.05 | Guerin | !broadcom |
| 02:22.05 | dpkg | [broadcom] a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx> |
| 02:22.37 | regulate | neuro_damage: bcm43xx |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | neuro_damage: and update-pciids |
| 02:24.02 | neuro_damage | it's not an ethernet though, it's wireless :( |
| 02:24.45 | neuro_damage | the 44** is the NIC card that works but I'm tryign to get the dell broadcom based wireless card working. |
| 02:25.19 | towski | wow thats pretty cool |
| 02:25.22 | towski | wget -c :) |
| 02:25.36 | towski | linux = love |
| 02:26.10 | neuro_damage | regulate, where can I get these they're not in the apt-get stable? |
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| 02:27.13 | cmanns | How can I make apt-get force the install of something (skipping the dependancys) like for example php-gd which requires apache which I don't want. |
| 02:27.42 | Guerin | cmanns: you can't. A dependency is only a dependency if it's NEEDED. |
| 02:28.13 | Guerin | if you find yourself in this circumstance, you need to re-evaluate what you're trying to do |
| 02:28.17 | cmanns | Someone told me how some way, im trying to remember |
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| 02:28.23 | Guerin | because it's almost certainly fucking stupid |
| 02:28.31 | cmanns | I think the fix was to install php-cli first |
| 02:28.31 | Guerin | !equivs |
| 02:28.32 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 02:28.38 | neuro_damage | !bcm43xx |
| 02:28.38 | dpkg | it has been said that bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | cmanns: apache-common ? |
| 02:28.50 | cmanns | Gurits not fucking stupid it makes the setup of gd easy |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | oh .. wahtever |
| 02:28.58 | cmanns | abrotman, I dont use apache. |
| 02:29.03 | Guerin | cmanns: sure, pal, whatever you say. |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | cmanns: okay .. that's fine |
| 02:29.14 | Guerin | use equivs |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | !depends php-gd |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | not a package name .. oh well |
| 02:29.51 | cmanns | apt-get install php5-cli then php5-gd, thats how I did it before. |
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| 02:30.47 | cmanns | and Guerin no need to be rude the package system did help me now I dont need to go through the process of installing gd. |
| 02:31.06 | neuro_damage | !bcm43xx |
| 02:31.06 | dpkg | bcm43xx is, like, the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net |
| 02:31.18 | Guerin | cmanns: what you don't realise is that you don't need to go through the process of installing *anything* manually. |
| 02:31.27 | Guerin | neuro_damage: it hasn't changed since last time. |
| 02:31.40 | neuro_damage | right, but I was wondering, it's not working |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | neuro_damage: msg the bot please |
| 02:31.55 | neuro_damage | I modprobe bcm43xx and run iwconfig, and don't see any valid wireless extensions |
| 02:31.55 | abrotman | neuro_damage: did you install the firmware ? |
| 02:32.04 | neuro_damage | abrotman, how do I do that? |
| 02:32.14 | abrotman | it damn tells you |
| 02:32.14 | cmanns | Guerin, I actually do, theres no apt-get for lighttpd 1.5 and I'd rather do the rest of the setup manually anyways |
| 02:32.19 | Guerin | I bet it's not documented on the fucking wiki pages |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | !tell neuro_damage about bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 02:32.25 | neuro_damage | abrotman, well hte package doesn't exist with apt-get? |
| 02:32.30 | Guerin | cmanns: you have my condolences. |
| 02:32.41 | neuro_damage | E: Couldn't find package bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 02:33.07 | cmanns | I do this setup everytime i move servers or reformat =/ i never have a problem compiling php i always save the configure line its just a matter of getting php5-gd |
| 02:33.09 | abrotman | neuro_damage: need contrib sources |
| 02:33.25 | abrotman | neuro_damage: you need to learn how to read the whole factoid |
| 02:33.26 | neuro_damage | abrotman, new to debian how do I do that? |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | neuro_damage: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 02:34.09 | Guerin | cmanns: the hint is: if you're having to try this hard, you're doing something wrong. But hey, do what you like. Just don't expect much sympathy from us. |
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| 02:34.59 | cmanns | its just installing php5-cli lol i didnt screw the system up... |
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| 02:36.53 | Supaplex | ouuu tempting printer ink. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140167293963 |
| 02:37.39 | neuro_damage | abrotman, where on earth do I find a testing repo with that firmware on it, or a list with them, google says too many related links |
| 02:37.45 | neuro_damage | none of which are debian.org based. |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman | neuro_damage: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 02:40.34 | neuro_damage | abrotman, i did |
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| 02:41.00 | abrotman | okay .. are you confused? you don't need google |
| 02:41.50 | neuro_damage | abrotman, no i need a list of mirrors |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | you alreaey have mirrors |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | just add ' contrib' to the end of each line |
| 02:42.23 | neuro_damage | abrotman, yeah i did that |
| 02:42.29 | neuro_damage | and then did an apt-get update |
| 02:42.30 | neuro_damage | it failed. |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | show us your sources |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:42.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:42.38 | neuro_damage | saying gatech mirror didn't have testing content |
| 02:43.16 | Cheef-Daniel | gn8@all thanks for help, especially peterS and abrotman |
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| 02:44.41 | neuro_damage | abrotman, what about this error now. |
| 02:44.46 | neuro_damage | typo in my source lists |
| 02:45.03 | neuro_damage | but it's saying it can't fetch the firmware, because of 404 Not Found errors, *tear* |
| 02:45.04 | neuro_damage | heh |
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| 02:45.43 | jelly-home | "it" now being the fwcutter utility? |
| 02:46.02 | neuro_damage | damn i'm tired |
| 02:46.12 | neuro_damage | i've been messing up with reading instructions |
| 02:46.24 | neuro_damage | maybe I should make my font bigger, jelly-home how goes it |
| 02:46.33 | neuro_damage | I've got this now, reading what the bot has to say carefully |
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| 02:48.09 | neuro_damage | ok now I went through command by command though and extracted the firmware manually and still no wireless extensions |
| 02:48.12 | neuro_damage | i hate broadcom |
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| 02:49.31 | jelly-home | modprobed the kernel module again after the firmware was in place? that's how it goes for intel ipw2200 |
| 02:49.54 | neuro_damage | woah, ipw2200? |
| 02:50.03 | neuro_damage | yeah i rmmod the module and all it's related modules ieee* firmware* |
| 02:50.14 | neuro_damage | then did a modprobe bcm43xx again, let me try a reboot see if that helps :) |
| 02:50.24 | neuro_damage | it shouldn't |
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| 02:54.51 | edju | Could some kind soul witha feew minutes to spare try any video at bloggingheads.tv, and if it plays, let me know what you use to play it? |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | edju: epiphany+totem-xine+w32codecs |
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| 02:58.44 | edju | abrotman, Should firefox+vlc+mozilla-plugin-vlc + w32codecs work? |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | nfc .. i don't use vlc |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | i'd guess iceweasel would owrk in place of epiphany .. dunno aabout vlc instead of totem |
| 02:59.27 | neuro_damage | abrotman, anything to do with hotplug or anything related with firmware? |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:59.50 | abrotman | neuro_damage: make sure your NIC is in the supported list on the bcm43xx website |
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| 03:00.16 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 03:01.24 | shirish | Hi all, I'm looking for an answer to what is packaging , A generic answer, not specific to debian packaging per se, can anybody help |
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| 03:02.39 | pike__ | shirish: you take some source code you compile it then you package it into some archive format for someone else to install |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | doesn't even have to be compiled |
| 03:03.34 | shirish | pike__: thanx :) |
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| 03:05.32 | waseem57 | hi |
| 03:05.35 | jbm | hi |
| 03:06.04 | waseem57 | hi |
| 03:06.23 | jbm | hi |
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| 03:08.13 | neuro_damage | yeah it's not on the list, it's not supported :( |
| 03:08.17 | neuro_damage | the whole nine yards lol |
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| 03:09.32 | waseem57 | my box doesn't show the actual free space of my thumb-drive.. what's wrong the funny thing is windhus does it finely. |
| 03:10.08 | hoodlum | eh? |
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| 03:10.22 | scrillaz | did you format it in windows? |
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| 03:10.36 | hoodlum | it should emulate your flash drive as an scsi dev or something right? |
| 03:10.44 | zero-1 | hi everybody anyone from the UK online? |
| 03:11.09 | streuner | why from uk? |
| 03:11.09 | waseem57 | scrillaz:yes i did. |
| 03:11.42 | hoodlum | is it in dev n shit brah? |
| 03:11.54 | scrillaz | i think that is why you are getting that problem but am not that certain |
| 03:11.56 | zero-1 | wanted to know if anyone have ever heard of senpai-it.com that could give me a review Im looking for a Linux dedicated however I do not know the european market that much |
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| 03:12.05 | waseem57 | yeah it's in dev. |
| 03:12.11 | hoodlum | ok |
| 03:12.15 | hoodlum | format it |
| 03:12.17 | hoodlum | and then mount it |
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| 03:12.37 | hoodlum | mkfs -t ext3 |
| 03:12.40 | hoodlum | i dunno |
| 03:12.41 | hoodlum | wait |
| 03:12.46 | hoodlum | you have to use usb fs |
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| 03:12.54 | cereal_killer | i'm having a problem packaging up my own .deb can someone help please? |
| 03:12.56 | hoodlum | meh im lost |
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| 03:13.15 | hoodlum | let me look |
| 03:13.22 | streuner | zero-1: at this time? :-) |
| 03:13.28 | waseem57 | hoodlum: yeah sure.. |
| 03:13.34 | hoodlum | tah |
| 03:13.41 | zero-1 | what is wrong with the time? |
| 03:13.47 | streuner | zero-1: any idea what time is it in .uk? :-) |
| 03:13.49 | n3kl_ | How can I change the case for all files in a directory? |
| 03:14.00 | zero-1 | hey we sysadmins do not sleep |
| 03:14.13 | streuner | sure, sometimes |
| 03:14.16 | zero-1 | we are caffeine addicted |
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| 03:14.29 | hoodlum | waseem57 you have not tried to mount it as of yet? |
| 03:14.41 | cereal_killer | anyone good at packing .debs here? |
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| 03:15.48 | fisxoj | can I use module-assistant to build modules for a kernel that isn't running? |
| 03:15.59 | fisxoj | I want to have them ready, so I only need to reboot once |
| 03:15.59 | waseem57 | let me tell you something more. whenever i format it in windhus and again mount it it shows free space correctly..but after a number of cycles of data writing readin and deleting my(on GNU/Linux) it shows the free space wrong. |
| 03:17.18 | hoodlum | hrmmm |
| 03:17.20 | hoodlum | interesting |
| 03:17.33 | waseem57 | hoodlum: yeah it is... |
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| 03:17.56 | cereal_killer | when i pack build my deb everything goes fine but there should be files under DEBIAN/usr and others so the file heirachy is not being created and therefore i'm basically creating an empty .deb |
| 03:18.08 | waseem57 | hoodlum: but most interesting is windhus does it finely. |
| 03:18.12 | hoodlum | mmm |
| 03:18.25 | hoodlum | what kernel n what ever are you using? |
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| 03:19.09 | waseem57 | hoodlum: I'm 2.6.16 on Ubuntu 7.04(thanks for asking this). |
| 03:19.13 | fisxoj | the answer is yes, apparently |
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| 03:19.56 | n3kl_ | What command can I use to rename all files to uppercase? |
| 03:20.22 | hoodlum | ah cool |
| 03:20.30 | hoodlum | it should just auto mount |
| 03:20.36 | hoodlum | gnome desk env i take it? |
| 03:20.39 | hoodlum | desktop* |
| 03:21.19 | waseem57 | hoodlum: yeah it is but this problem remains when i use ion3 too. |
| 03:21.45 | hoodlum | ah ok |
| 03:22.04 | waseem57 | hoodlum: i have vfat filesystem on it. |
| 03:22.24 | hoodlum | ah yeah |
| 03:22.32 | neuro_damage | abrotman, I figured out EXACTLY what it is, it requires specifically 1.28 of ndis, and a specific bcml5.inf version for that chipset, and using ndiswarpper you can have all the encryption modules working :). |
| 03:23.22 | waseem57 | hoodlum: one more thing Ubuntu makes a .Trash folder in the thumb-drive whenever i delete some file. |
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| 03:24.05 | waseem57 | hoodlum: but the problem is not solved even when i delete .Trash too. |
| 03:24.11 | hoodlum | hmm |
| 03:24.20 | hoodlum | id just try formatting it with in ubuntu |
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| 03:24.37 | waseem57 | hoodlum: ok let me try...... |
| 03:24.46 | hoodlum | ok sir |
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| 03:27.18 | waseem57 | hoodlum: see i made the backup and it shows free space accurately. |
| 03:27.27 | hoodlum | ok |
| 03:28.20 | hoodlum | hrm |
| 03:28.49 | hoodlum | will you be transferring data to and from win to ubuntu? |
| 03:29.13 | acadia | hey guys how can you test send a mail from exim4? |
| 03:29.25 | acadia | I know I can use mailx |
| 03:29.29 | waseem57 | hoodlum: yeah i do it regularly... |
| 03:29.33 | acadia | however I have created a virtual user |
| 03:29.42 | hoodlum | ah yer |
| 03:29.47 | acadia | so I want to send the mail via that virtual user address? |
| 03:31.55 | waseem57 | hoodlum: hey my mkfs.vfat says no medium found lemme go through it's man page.. |
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| 03:32.24 | hoodlum | ok sir |
| 03:32.35 | hoodlum | cfdisk /dev/sd* |
| 03:32.44 | hoodlum | what ever medium it tis |
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| 03:35.09 | waseem57 | hoodlum: it says fatal error can't open the disk :-) |
| 03:35.14 | hoodlum | hrmm |
| 03:35.30 | hoodlum | interesting.. |
| 03:35.49 | hoodlum | let me have a think for one moment |
| 03:36.00 | hoodlum | this is when mounting the correct path to the usb device correct? |
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| 03:39.32 | waseem57 | hoodlum: such an idiot i'm i was trying to format it without bein root. |
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| 03:39.46 | hoodlum | hahahaha awww |
| 03:41.17 | Winkie | hey guys, does anyone have any decent experience with tc? |
| 03:41.24 | acadia | is there a way to set the reply to address or the user that is sending an e-mail, with exim or mailx? |
| 03:41.35 | waseem57 | hoodlum: all right done now now i will have to go through the cycle of w-r-d(write read delete ) to see if it worked. |
| 03:42.06 | waseem57 | winkie: never used tc and proud of it. |
| 03:42.38 | Winkie | waseem57: got any better solution? ;) |
| 03:42.49 | acadia | split |
| 03:43.01 | Winkie | split? |
| 03:43.13 | hoodlum | ok waseem57 :P |
| 03:43.19 | waseem57 | hoodlum: thank you...man!! you guys are relly helpful..:-)...this is the first time i'm using irc. |
| 03:43.47 | amphi | Winkie: what is 'tc'? |
| 03:44.05 | Winkie | amphi: tc is traffic control, part of linux's network system |
| 03:44.09 | Winkie | i realise here isn't the ideal place to ask |
| 03:44.12 | waseem57 | hoodlum: you didn't even care if i use Ubuntu as this is #debian. |
| 03:44.26 | hoodlum | eh ubuntu is debian derived :P |
| 03:45.15 | hoodlum | i <3 debian |
| 03:45.34 | amphi | !ubutusmite hoodlum |
| 03:45.42 | hoodlum | eh? |
| 03:45.43 | amphi | !ubuntusmite hoodlum |
| 03:45.50 | amphi | dammit ;) |
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| 03:46.02 | hoodlum | heh.. :P |
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| 03:47.35 | waseem57 | hoodlum: you have any idea how i can change the name of the drive as it shows disk-1 when mounted and i don't like it. |
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| 03:48.02 | hoodlum | is this shown in /mnt? |
| 03:48.05 | Winkie | wait a second |
| 03:48.09 | Winkie | CO is not based on carbon dioxide! |
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| 03:48.45 | Winkie | that's like saying oxygen is based on water |
| 03:48.54 | waseem57 | hoodlum: no it's in /media |
| 03:48.57 | hoodlum | ah ok |
| 03:49.14 | hoodlum | umount /media/disk-1 |
| 03:49.15 | waseem57 | hoodlum: should i rename it there.?? |
| 03:49.17 | hoodlum | or what ever |
| 03:49.19 | hoodlum | eh |
| 03:49.22 | hoodlum | create a dir in /mnt |
| 03:49.28 | hoodlum | mkdir /mnt/usb for example |
| 03:49.46 | waseem57 | hoodlum: ok |
| 03:49.54 | hoodlum | then mount /dev/sd*1 or what ever the usb devs path is |
| 03:49.58 | waseem57 | hoodlum:you carry on please. |
| 03:50.07 | hoodlum | wait, mount /dev/sd*1 /mnt/usb |
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| 03:50.58 | dhuv | hello all |
| 03:51.07 | phrost | i'm getting all kinds of interfaces binding to each other in etch |
| 03:51.14 | phrost | like eth0 is 'claimed' by 3 different cards |
| 03:51.24 | phrost | eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01458:e000 bound to 0000:00:07.0 |
| 03:51.30 | phrost | e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xed000000, irq 20 |
| 03:51.34 | phrost | eth1394: eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet |
| 03:51.40 | phrost | is that because of udev? |
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| 03:52.19 | Winkie | phrost: iirc please pastebin someting like /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent_net or something |
| 03:52.25 | waseem57 | hoodlum:done now..?? |
| 03:52.31 | hoodlum | ok, can you access it? |
| 03:52.39 | hoodlum | like, try mv a file into /mnt/usb |
| 03:52.44 | hoodlum | see if it writes etc |
| 03:52.53 | waseem57 | hoodlum:oh yeah.. |
| 03:52.56 | hoodlum | yar |
| 03:52.57 | hoodlum | :D |
| 03:53.09 | waseem57 | hoodlum:ok.. |
| 03:53.14 | phrost | Winkie: oh i got it, it has them all listed there, ty |
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| 03:54.18 | waseem57 | hoodlum:no i can't write it....for this i need sudo powers. |
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| 03:55.17 | hoodlum | ok |
| 03:55.19 | hoodlum | chmod |
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| 03:55.31 | hoodlum | chmod 0777 /mnt/usb |
| 03:55.32 | waseem57 | hoodlum:ok |
| 03:55.56 | iPod-nano | apt-get is incredibly annoying. |
| 03:56.02 | hoodlum | agreed |
| 03:56.02 | dhuv | we have a server which contains drives for the OS in software raid1, and a 3ware raid controller that is used to store data |
| 03:56.22 | iPod-nano | Now I realize why I preferred yum under Fedora. |
| 03:56.26 | hoodlum | ergh |
| 03:56.33 | dhuv | with Sarge, the 3ware used to be detected as sdc, but when I installed etch tonight it was detected as sda |
| 03:56.38 | hoodlum | fedora is like :( |
| 03:56.50 | waseem57 | hoodlum:not solved i think i should try chown too..?? |
| 03:56.55 | dhuv | unfortunately I think that when I installed grub, it overwrote stuff there |
| 03:57.26 | dhuv | can somebody give me some advice on how to reterive the data on the 3ware raid partition |
| 03:57.38 | iPod-nano | Could someone help me: http://rafb.net/p/Xim9Vp96.html |
| 03:57.38 | iPod-nano | How do I make that stop happening? |
| 03:57.46 | hoodlum | eh chown is un necessary atm |
| 03:57.49 | hoodlum | ohn |
| 03:57.50 | hoodlum | sorry |
| 03:57.53 | hoodlum | it didnt solve? |
| 03:58.06 | hoodlum | you sudo'd and performed chmod 777 /mnt/usb? |
| 03:58.21 | waseem57 | hoodlum:yes i did. |
| 03:58.24 | hoodlum | ah ok ' |
| 03:58.25 | phogg | Is booting from an md raid5 disk possible? |
| 03:58.31 | hoodlum | chown can work also |
| 03:58.40 | hoodlum | but this is more so for taking owner ship of a file |
| 03:58.50 | troubled | rahul: /whois rahul_ almost thought that was you in ubuntu |
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| 03:59.02 | waseem57 | hoodlum:so what if i take ownership of that dir. |
| 03:59.16 | hoodlum | its messy |
| 03:59.23 | hoodlum | chmod 777 /mnt/usb SHOULD work... :( |
| 03:59.27 | hoodlum | try chown |
| 04:00.29 | hoodlum | so like |
| 04:00.42 | hoodlum | chown root /mnt/usb |
| 04:00.44 | hoodlum | for example |
| 04:01.16 | waseem57 | hoodlum:he i tried sudo chown myname /mnt/usb it says operaion not permitted.. |
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| 04:03.21 | waseem57 | hoodlum:leave it man i will change it's name in windhus..:-( |
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| 04:04.31 | hoodlum | awww ;( |
| 04:04.32 | hoodlum | nar |
| 04:04.34 | hoodlum | sif leave it |
| 04:04.36 | hoodlum | it's easy fixed |
| 04:05.00 | hoodlum | waseem57 |
| 04:05.34 | waseem57 | hoodlum:chown is not working dude. |
| 04:05.55 | hoodlum | try just logging in as root |
| 04:06.07 | hoodlum | need to see directory permissions set etc.. |
| 04:06.09 | hoodlum | with stat |
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| 04:08.08 | phrost | here's the problem i'm having with persistent net rules from udev.. my nvidia forcedeth has a bad mac from the factory (or so the kernel module claims) so it gets randomized at boottime .. i reset it with pre-up script in networking config, but udev gives it a different eth# on each reboot because the mac is randomized at startup |
| 04:08.34 | phrost | anyway to disable that udev rule and just let the kernel assign eth#'s? i assume they wouldn't change on every reboot, only during a kernel upgrade or physical hardware change that changes the order the modules are loaded in |
| 04:09.56 | \amethyst | phrost: remove the z45_persistent-net-generator.rules link in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 04:10.16 | \amethyst | phrost: then, as long as it's the only ethernet card, it will always be eth0 |
| 04:10.17 | phrost | \amethyst: thanks, that's what i was thinking about doing |
| 04:10.45 | phrost | i have 3 net cards (2 e100's and a forcedeth).. but i'm playing it cheap right now or i'd just buy 5x E1000's and be done with it |
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| 04:14.53 | cycom | is there a way on a TiBook running debian to make the screen go dark when the lid is closed without actually going to sleep? |
| 04:15.14 | cycom | so far, all I've found is PMUD which seems determined to put the mac to sleep, no matter what my power managment settings are. |
| 04:15.59 | cycom | if I use the buttons on the mac to turn the brightness down, I can get the screen to actually power off, but when I close the lid, the screen remains lit. |
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| 04:23.43 | Wyzard | cycom: I've heard that the reason Mac laptops always go to sleep when the lid is closed is because they dispose of heat through the keyboard, and would overheat with the lid closed |
| 04:24.47 | Supaplex | the main vent is into the bottom center of the screen |
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| 04:25.30 | Supaplex | however with debian running on mine, the system says on, lit and all. |
| 04:25.43 | Supaplex | with the lid shut :) |
| 04:26.00 | cycom | Wyzard: they don't sleep with the lid closed in target disk mode, and the TiBooks have a vent out the back and sides. |
| 04:26.07 | jelly-home | Wyzard: uh, wouldn't that make the keyboard uncomfortably warm for the fingers |
| 04:26.22 | Wyzard | dunno then... just repeating what I've heard |
| 04:26.34 | Supaplex | all the heat pipes exit to the screen area |
| 04:26.40 | cycom | jelly-home: not really. I mean, the heat sinks are right under the keyboard |
| 04:26.55 | Supaplex | I can take some super macro shots, but I don't want to disassemble my ibook *again* |
| 04:27.00 | cycom | Wyzard: Well, it's a good theory. Like I said, all of the heat sinks are right under the number keys. |
| 04:27.18 | Wyzard | cycom: As a guess, maybe the main CPU isn't actually active in target disk mode? |
| 04:27.19 | Supaplex | that's because the cpu is under the left side of the keyboard. the right side is the optical driver |
| 04:27.24 | Supaplex | s/driver/drive/ |
| 04:27.27 | Wyzard | That could be handled entirely by the 1394 controller |
| 04:27.42 | cycom | Wyzard: Not sure. The suckers still get nice and warm. |
| 04:28.03 | waseem57 | hoodlum: where are you from?? |
| 04:28.04 | cycom | I'm just trying to avoid burning out the backlight if I don't need to. |
| 04:29.22 | waseem57 | sad... |
| 04:29.28 | cycom | Supaplex: so when you close the lid, your backlight stays on? |
| 04:29.38 | Wyzard | You could configure the screensaver with a shorter timeout for turning off the screen |
| 04:31.02 | Supaplex | cycom: yes (only in linux) |
| 04:31.12 | Supaplex | I rarely use X |
| 04:31.30 | Supaplex | atleast on that ibook. sometimes I fire it up to run mplayer |
| 04:31.43 | cycom | Wyzard: the screen does not shut off, even with power managment timeout set to 1. |
| 04:32.12 | Wyzard | hmm, weird |
| 04:32.13 | Wyzard | no idea then |
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| 04:32.32 | cycom | oh, nvm. it just did. |
| 04:32.38 | cycom | I also want to crank down the HDs. |
| 04:32.44 | arooni | anyone here using virtualbox? i have a winxp VM with a hard drive of 3GB. is there *anyway* to expand the size of this drive *without* completely reinstalling XP? |
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| 04:33.29 | Wyzard | arooni: There are two parts to that: how to enlarge the virtual disk, and how to resize the NTFS partition it contains |
| 04:33.35 | cycom | lol! nevermind. it just started working. |
| 04:33.53 | arooni | Wyzard, indeed |
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| 04:33.54 | Supaplex | arooni: ask virtualbox how they enlarge the virtual disk. then use gparted |
| 04:33.57 | Wyzard | arooni: I don't know about the first part -- I know VMware has a tool for resizing virtual disks, but I don't use vbox |
| 04:34.29 | Wyzard | arooni: but for the second part, you could use Partition Magic (non-free), or possibly ntfsresize (not sure if it supports enlarging) |
| 04:34.37 | Supaplex | !gparted |
| 04:34.37 | dpkg | gparted is, like, the GNOME partition editor, which uses libparted (ask me about <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install "ntfsprogs" to enable NTFS support and "dosfstools" for FAT16/32 support. consider a <debian-live> image + installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the gparted live cd |
| 04:34.49 | Supaplex | there's a live cd of this |
| 04:35.12 | Supaplex | ouuu debian-live is a good idea/alternative to. |
| 04:35.19 | iPod-nano | Can I make apt-get remove a package that it didn't finish installing without finishing the installation? |
| 04:35.59 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: If it's in the "half-installed" state, I believe so -- just uninstall it like usual |
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| 04:36.10 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: if it's in the "broken" state, you should finish installing it before removing it |
| 04:36.15 | iPod-nano | Doesn't want to let me. |
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| 04:36.27 | iPod-nano | And it doesn't want to finish installing, either. |
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| 04:36.48 | iPod-nano | Package kde is not installed, so not removed |
| 04:36.55 | iPod-nano | Ah, but it is installed. |
| 04:37.01 | iPod-nano | Well, most of it at least. |
| 04:37.10 | iPod-nano | I want to be rid of it. |
| 04:37.37 | iPod-nano | And it always gives me grief when I try to finish installing. |
| 04:37.38 | Supaplex | try apt-get install --reinstall. failing that, you'll have to meddle with the inst scripts |
| 04:37.39 | iPod-nano | What do I do? |
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| 04:37.50 | Wyzard | "kde" is a metapackage; it doesn't actually contain any software |
| 04:37.56 | Wyzard | It just depends on a bunch of other packages |
| 04:38.27 | Wyzard | If you installed "kde" with apt-get, removing "kde" will not actually remove KDE |
| 04:38.33 | waseem57 | this is really annoying i never joined ##c and when itry it saya you are banned from this channel. |
| 04:38.40 | iPod-nano | What do I do then? |
| 04:38.58 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: What happens when you try to finish installing it? |
| 04:39.17 | Wyzard | waseem57: If you're on a dynamic IP, maybe some previous user of your IP was being abusive |
| 04:39.35 | iPod-nano | It takes forever on one of the packages and dies with an error. |
| 04:39.55 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: ...and the error message is? |
| 04:40.05 | waseem57 | Wyzard: yes i'm on dynamic ip should i change it.. |
| 04:40.35 | iPod-nano | Apparently I'll have to go through the process again. My terminal didn't save it. |
| 04:40.42 | Wyzard | waseem57: If you can, sure, but in many cases you can't force yourself to get a different IP |
| 04:40.54 | Wyzard | waseem57: You could /msg one of the ops and ask to be unbanned, and explain why |
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| 04:42.16 | waseem57 | Wyzard: would you pleas tell how do i do that because if it'll be very painful to change ip. |
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| 04:43.53 | Wyzard | I'm not sure offhand how to check who the ops are in a channel you're not in |
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| 04:47.22 | streuner | Wyzard: /msg chanserv access #<channel> list |
| 04:48.09 | Wyzard | hmm, that doesn't return anything |
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| 04:48.26 | streuner | some channels just doesnt support it |
| 04:49.10 | Wyzard | apparently neither ##c nor #debian do |
| 04:49.17 | streuner | heh |
| 04:49.44 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.58 | jmichaelx | would it be possible to install a debian system on an old laptop that has a network adaptor that will not work under linux (as far as i know), and somehow still get the needed packages to get wireless working (madwifi, in this case)? |
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| 04:50.49 | jmichaelx | in other words... i would need to get the madwifi packages without access to the internet |
| 04:51.09 | streuner | burn them on a CDRW |
| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | jmichaelx: You could transport the files to the machine via flash drive or floppies or something |
| 04:51.44 | Wyzard | but I'm not sure how you'd get the installer to use them... debian-installer doesn't use normal packages |
| 04:51.49 | jmichaelx | ok, how would i download them? (sorry if htis question is extremely newbish |
| 04:51.58 | streuner | !pdo |
| 04:51.58 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 04:52.27 | jmichaelx | ty very much . Wyzard and streuner |
| 04:52.43 | streuner | there arent extremely newbish questions, there are thing you need to ask... ;-) |
| 04:52.52 | streuner | s/thing/only things/ |
| 04:53.16 | streuner | so just ask |
| 04:54.16 | Wyzard | jmichaelx: Alternatively, you could download the full first CD or DVD, rather than trying to do a netinstall |
| 04:54.29 | iPod-nano | Wyzard: http://rafb.net/p/QqY6Kd92.html |
| 04:54.34 | iPod-nano | I ran the command apt-get install -f |
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| 04:55.10 | jmichaelx | Wyzard: does the first full CD include the necessary madwifi packages? |
| 04:55.39 | streuner | !madwifi |
| 04:55.39 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 04:55.42 | dondelelcaro | jmichaelx: no, but you'd get far enough to build them |
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| 04:56.00 | jmichaelx | ok, wel enough |
| 04:56.07 | streuner | jmichaelx: in order to find out /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 04:56.14 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: Random "Input/output error" messages are worrisome, especially when mixed with other things like "bad file descriptor" on a system file and a segmentation fault from a standard system tool |
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| 04:56.25 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: That's a sign of filesystem corruption, and possibly a dying hard drive |
| 04:56.43 | jmichaelx | ty streuner |
| 04:56.47 | iPod-nano | Wouldn't surprise me too much. I used spare parts to build the computer. |
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| 04:57.06 | Wyzard | jmichaelx: No, you'd still need to download the madwifi packages separately, but at least you'd be able to install and configure them in a normal, Debian environment, rather than trying to get the installer to use them |
| 04:57.12 | iPod-nano | But is it at all possible corrupted files were downloaded when it retrieved that packages? |
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| 04:57.21 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: highly unlikely |
| 04:57.35 | iPod-nano | What do I do? |
| 04:57.42 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: Run dmesg and see if there are any error messages there |
| 04:58.05 | iPod-nano | Quite a few of them. |
| 04:58.32 | jmichaelx | Wyzard: makes sense, i appreciate all of the info... i had considered trying to build a debian install starting with dsl (since it includes madwifi) |
| 04:58.32 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: particularly anything that says { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } or similar |
| 04:58.32 | jmichaelx | but that could turn into a mess |
| 04:58.39 | iPod-nano | got plenty of those. |
| 04:58.46 | Wyzard | iPod-nano: Back up your data and get a new hard drive |
| 04:58.47 | iPod-nano | Bad hard drive? |
| 04:58.49 | Wyzard | yep |
| 04:58.58 | Wyzard | or bad IDE cable, possibly, but that's less likely |
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| 04:59.04 | iPod-nano | Thankfully all I have on there is my Asterisk server. |
| 04:59.08 | Wyzard | You'd see CRC errors if that were the case |
| 04:59.12 | iPod-nano | I can just back up the configuration files. |
| 04:59.51 | Wyzard | You could try doing a full surface scan with smartctl -- that can sometimes fix a small number of surface errors (using the drive's built-in defect-remapping feature) |
| 04:59.59 | Wyzard | but if there are lots of them, it's not likely to help |
| 05:00.09 | iPod-nano | It filled my terminal window. |
| 05:00.14 | iPod-nano | My scroll bar is tiny. |
| 05:00.26 | iPod-nano | Woo hoo! MythBusters! |
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| 05:02.48 | iPod-nano | So I have a command available to compress a directory? |
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| 05:03.47 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: I did, but it just keeps refusing :( |
| 05:06.58 | simonrvn | iPod-nano: tar it first, then gzip it |
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| 05:08.57 | iPod-nano | What commands should I use for a directory? |
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| 05:10.33 | gholm | I just rebooted and my raid 5 has mounted readonly. how can I change that without reboot? |
| 05:10.53 | Wyzard | gholm: Ask yourself first, why is it mounted read-only? |
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| 05:11.07 | gholm | it shouldn't be and it wasn't before I rebooted |
| 05:11.21 | Wyzard | gholm: Yet it happened, and the reason is probably significant |
| 05:11.35 | gholm | ah insight. thanks I'll be right now. |
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| 05:11.46 | Wyzard | gholm: It could be that the filesystem driver found an error and remounted read-only to avoid creating further problems |
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| 05:11.57 | Wyzard | gholm: You should at least fsck it before making it writable |
| 05:12.21 | gholm | ok, cool |
| 05:12.48 | Wyzard | gholm: The way to make it writable would be "mount / -o remount,rw", but don't do it until you're sure it's safe to do so |
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| 05:14.48 | Riotblade | Hi, i'm reading instructions on how to compile to compile something but it seems that I need to edit /etc/ld.so.conf but I dont have that file. What can I do? |
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| 05:15.50 | streuner | something? |
| 05:15.50 | iPod-nano | Is there way to install a desktop environment without the unnecessary crap that I don't need? |
| 05:15.56 | Wyzard | Riotblade: That file should exist... it's provided by libc6 |
| 05:15.56 | iPod-nano | Media players, etc. |
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| 05:16.19 | Wyzard | Riotblade: but what are you trying to add to it? |
| 05:16.20 | streuner | Wyzard: maybe he want compile glibc ... ;-) |
| 05:16.33 | Wyzard | Riotblade: It's a rather essential system file, and not one to be changed lightly |
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| 05:18.35 | Riotblade | Wyzard, trying to add a directory where libs are being installed |
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| 05:19.04 | Wyzard | Riotblade: /usr/local/lib would be the appropriate place to put the libraries |
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| 05:19.55 | streuner | Riotblade: give us more details and call things by name, thanks. |
| 05:20.01 | Riotblade | hmm that's where they're located |
| 05:20.09 | Riotblade | well I was trying to look for the shortest answer possible, which was done already |
| 05:20.10 | Riotblade | thanks |
| 05:21.02 | Wyzard | Riotblade: You probably need to run ldconfig before your newly-installed libraries will be found |
| 05:21.13 | Riotblade | dont have that command |
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| 05:21.28 | Riotblade | any idea why? |
| 05:21.40 | Wyzard | Riotblade: /sbin/ldconfig is part of the libc6 package |
| 05:21.54 | Wyzard | If you have neither that nor /etc/ld.so.conf, I have to ask why your installation is so broken |
| 05:21.55 | streuner | Riotblade: what distro are you using actually? |
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| 05:22.25 | Riotblade | i'm using a backport 2.6.22 debian |
| 05:22.45 | Wyzard | Riotblade: libc6 is the most important package on the system, and not something you want to have incompletely or improperly installed |
| 05:23.02 | streuner | Riotblade: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:23.12 | zoredache | How are you even using the system without libc6? |
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| 05:23.27 | Wyzard | zoredache: Well, he presumably has libc.so.6 itself |
| 05:23.32 | Riotblade | Wyzard, nothing 3 minutes ago |
| 05:23.38 | Riotblade | I just installed it using apt-get |
| 05:23.57 | Wyzard | You just installed what, libc6? |
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| 05:24.11 | Wyzard | As zoredache said, your system wouldn't be working *at all* if you didn't have that installed |
| 05:24.25 | Wyzard | You had it, but some of its files were missing |
| 05:24.38 | Wyzard | which means there's something wrong with your system that you ought to investigate |
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| 05:25.39 | Riotblade | Hmm... |
| 05:26.01 | Riotblade | ther original kernel it came with was odd somebody said |
| 05:26.06 | Riotblade | I dont remember his name |
| 05:26.24 | Riotblade | I do have ld.so.cache that's empty but no ld.so.conf |
| 05:26.56 | streuner | Riotblade: How did you install Debian at all? |
| 05:27.23 | Riotblade | It's a rented server |
| 05:27.41 | Riotblade | They have a rescue system that allows me to select OS' to install |
| 05:27.57 | streuner | so Debian isnt installed on that server? |
| 05:28.11 | Riotblade | It's installed now |
| 05:28.30 | streuner | that was a mistake |
| 05:28.41 | Riotblade | why? |
| 05:28.47 | streuner | (trying to install Debian without knowledge) |
| 05:28.53 | streuner | on a remote box |
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| 05:29.53 | Wyzard | Riotblade: sounds like whatever they installed is a rather screwed-up Debian |
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| 05:32.06 | Riotblade | The version it installed was like 2.6.3.19 or something along the lines |
| 05:32.26 | Wyzard | hmm, yeah, that is pretty weird |
| 05:32.39 | Riotblade | It was advertised as etch |
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| 05:32.46 | Wyzard | Well, it isn't |
| 05:32.57 | Riotblade | I had to install a backport for CPU's to be detected |
| 05:32.57 | streuner | surely some old "testing" |
| 05:32.59 | Wyzard | You could call it "not-quite-etch" maybe |
| 05:33.15 | Wyzard | 2.6.3 is rather old |
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| 05:33.20 | streuner | yeah |
| 05:33.21 | Wyzard | even sarge (etch's predecessor) had 2.6.8 |
| 05:33.36 | hatter | what decides the default desktop environment in etch ? |
| 05:34.06 | streuner | hatter: you could use everything, but GNOME is default |
| 05:34.45 | hatter | streuner, i have been trying to remove gnome and run xfce with vncserver and each time i think gnome is gone the vnc x server loads the gnome desktop |
| 05:34.51 | hatter | damn hard to get rid of it seems |
| 05:35.08 | hatter | i didnt think i 've had this issue before |
| 05:35.24 | hatter | xfce4 is installed, the xstartup file tells it to run |
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| 05:35.39 | hatter | but somewhere else there is still some gnome lingering |
| 05:36.45 | streuner | how are you going to start X? |
| 05:36.49 | streuner | startx? |
| 05:37.11 | streuner | or via GDM? |
| 05:37.23 | hatter | the xstartup which runs after the vnc script runs is told to load startxfce4 & |
| 05:37.24 | Wyzard | He's running a VNC server |
| 05:37.29 | Wyzard | That's its own X server |
| 05:37.30 | streuner | oh |
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| 05:43.25 | basanta | can any one help how do I play rtsp://stream.pregi.net:554/internet_crime.rm on my debian system |
| 05:44.01 | streuner | vlc, mplayer or xine |
| 05:44.27 | Guerin | basanta: mplayer rtsp://stream.pregi.net:554/internet_crime.rm |
| 05:44.40 | Guerin | if it fails, tell us the error |
| 05:45.03 | streuner | keep in mind, some just dont support Real very well |
| 05:45.56 | basanta | stray, Guerin thanks let me try |
| 05:46.34 | basanta | streuner, thanks let me try |
| 05:46.37 | Guerin | streuner: the better way to look at it is that real doesn't support them very well |
| 05:46.43 | Guerin | streuner: but you know that ;) |
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| 05:47.01 | streuner | Guerin: sure :-) |
| 05:47.36 | basanta | Guerin, I didn't work and I didn't get any error either |
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| 05:48.16 | Guerin | basanta: i bet you did. Put the full output of mplayer whatever.rm on paster |
| 05:48.40 | basanta | Guerin, I just tried with vlc |
| 05:48.45 | Guerin | use mplayer |
| 05:48.48 | basanta | Guerin, let me install mplayer first |
| 05:48.51 | Guerin | it gives sane errors |
| 05:49.02 | Guerin | vlc is good, but it's not low-level enough for marginal cases |
| 05:49.48 | streuner | Unable to open 'rtsp://stream.pregi.net:554/internet_crime.rm' |
| 05:50.10 | streuner | (vlc) |
| 05:51.37 | Guerin | nice and vague |
| 05:51.44 | Guerin | i bet mplayer is more forthcoming |
| 05:51.49 | Guerin | perhaps an actual error code |
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| 05:52.20 | streuner | even in realplayer it cannot find the file itself |
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| 05:53.02 | basanta | Guerin, what is pastebin url ? |
| 05:53.08 | CyberMad | how do i know version of a package... i want to install ejabberd... but i want to know what version of it? |
| 05:53.29 | streuner | CyberMad: dpkg -l <package> |
| 05:53.37 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 05:53.38 | Guerin | basanta: /msg dpkg paste |
| 05:53.56 | streuner | CyberMad: apt-cache show <package> |
| 05:53.57 | militant | just got a smartphone (blackjack, the blackberry was tempting though) .. i'm not having much luck googling about for software to talk to it from my computer, fiddle files around, etc. it's wm5. anyone have any experience? |
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| 05:54.19 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 05:54.19 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 05:54.24 | Guerin | militant: ↑ |
| 05:54.54 | CyberMad | i tried dpkg -l ejabberd, but return "No packages found matching ejabberd" but i can do apt-get install ejabberd |
| 05:55.15 | militant | yeah uh, i needed the phone whether it works with linux or not. i'm just asking if anyone has fiddled with it and has any pointers, and i've been googling for a while now and only found syncing contacts and not much else. |
| 05:55.19 | militant | :) |
| 05:55.20 | Wyzard | CyberMad: "dpkg -l" only lists packages that are installed |
| 05:55.40 | CyberMad | i tried apt-cache search ejabberd but don't show the version too |
| 05:55.49 | CyberMad | how to see the version? |
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| 05:56.52 | Wyzard | CyberMad: apt-cache show ejabberd |
| 05:57.01 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 05:57.01 | Wyzard | CyberMad: or apt-cache policy ejabberd |
| 05:57.09 | basanta | Guerin, http://paste.debian.net/39394 |
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| 05:58.46 | basanta | Guerin, i wonder why wouldn't they use some popular format like .mp3 |
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| 05:59.36 | Guerin | basanta: because people are fucking stupid, and they think Real is real. |
| 06:00.13 | Guerin | basanta: librtsp: server responds: 'RTSP/1.0 404 Not Found' |
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| 06:00.18 | Guerin | basanta: the file doesn't exist |
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| 06:00.44 | Guerin | basanta: google `404 error' for more |
| 06:00.53 | Guerin | !mplayer++ |
| 06:01.51 | basanta | Guerin, ok |
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| 06:04.53 | basanta | Guerin, is the error about not supporting .rm file or the rtsp protocol because I want to tell them to use other format from now on |
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| 06:07.34 | coucou747 | hi all |
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| 06:12.19 | enyawix | the only part of gnome i use is gnome power monitor? can i keep just it and uninstall the rest of gnome |
| 06:12.35 | keith | it might depend on other pieces |
| 06:12.38 | keith | check the dependencies |
| 06:12.51 | enyawix | i can not find it |
| 06:13.09 | enyawix | i think it is part of main gnome :( |
| 06:13.26 | Wyzard | It depends on a bunch of GNOME libraries |
| 06:13.35 | Wyzard | but it doesn't depend on the panel, file manager, apps, etc. |
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| 06:14.02 | keith | are you talking about gnome-power-manager? |
| 06:14.03 | enyawix | Wyzard so it is a .deb? |
| 06:14.12 | enyawix | no |
| 06:14.15 | Wyzard | yeah, gnome-power-manager |
| 06:14.49 | geaaru | hi at all, on sid debian, are there debian patch on dbus-1.1.1 ? Because i have some errors on use dict entry and variant? |
| 06:14.58 | enyawix | the part that shows my laptop battery charge |
| 06:15.13 | geaaru | Errors that doesn't happen on dbus-1.0.2 etch version. |
| 06:15.17 | Wyzard | enyawix: Yes, that's gnome-power-manager, in the package of the same name |
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| 06:15.52 | enyawix | the gnome applet |
| 06:16.20 | Wyzard | yes, the gnome applet |
| 06:16.48 | Wyzard | It doesn't actually depend on having GNOME running |
| 06:16.57 | keith | just a bunch of libs |
| 06:17.02 | Wyzard | All it needs is an icon "tray", which KDE and XFCE (and probably others) also have |
| 06:17.28 | enyawix | http://jamesthevicar.com/images/png/suse93-gnome.png |
| 06:17.55 | enyawix | the green battery top right |
| 06:18.03 | geaaru | keith: do you speak with me? |
| 06:18.06 | Wyzard | hmm, that looks like the old battery-charge applet, not the power manager (which replaces it) |
| 06:18.18 | nvz | I split my one gnome panel across the top into 3 small panels that auto-hide.. gives me much more screen real-estate |
| 06:18.19 | keith | geaaru: no |
| 06:18.25 | geaaru | sorry |
| 06:18.42 | enyawix | Wyzard ya i want the battery-charge applet |
| 06:18.51 | Wyzard | enyawix: that one's a GNOME panel applet that won't run anywhere except in the GNOME panel |
| 06:18.52 | nvz | got one just for my monitor applets, one for time/date/weather and one for my menus and window selector |
| 06:19.01 | Wyzard | enyawix: but this one is newer and much better: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-power-manager/ |
| 06:19.13 | Wyzard | enyawix: and that'll run on any desktop that has a tray, including KDE and XFCE |
| 06:19.29 | keith | geaaru: dbus is 1.1.1-3 in sid |
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| 06:19.49 | enyawix | Wyzard it works in xfce4 |
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| 06:19.57 | Wyzard | enyawix: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-power-manager/gpm.html (screenshots) |
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| 06:20.27 | gholm | hey Wyzard what happens if I reboot during a fsck? |
| 06:20.29 | Wyzard | enyawix: hmm, maybe XFCE's panel can load GNOME panel applets? |
| 06:20.41 | geaaru | keith: yes, but with that version i have some errors with dict entry and variant... but from dbus channel they said me that there aren't change on dict entry and variant |
| 06:20.45 | keith | you can install gnome panel in xfce |
| 06:20.49 | Wyzard | enyawix: though it seems more likely that XFCE just has its own battery monitor which happens to look similar to the GNOME one |
| 06:20.50 | enyawix | i only want the panel applet |
| 06:20.59 | Wyzard | keith: yeah, but you probably don't want to do that |
| 06:21.03 | keith | no |
| 06:21.04 | keith | you don't |
| 06:21.35 | Wyzard | gholm: During the read-only portion which takes up most of fsck's time, that should be completely safe |
| 06:21.51 | blq | I want to mount a encrypted volume while booting, does anyone know when the package usbmount starts while booting? I wasn't able to find it in /etc/rc* |
| 06:21.59 | Wyzard | gholm: There's a chance it might cause problems if fsck was in the middle of making changes to the filesystem while the reboot occurred, but running fsck again would probably fix any such inconsistencies |
| 06:22.15 | enyawix | Wyzard i start it by hand with gnome-power-monitor & |
| 06:22.32 | zoredache | blq: look at crypttab maybe |
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| 06:22.44 | keith | geaaru: sid is unstable. if you run unstable, sometimes things are... unstable |
| 06:22.46 | Wyzard | enyawix: XFCE seems to have its own battery monitor... use that |
| 06:22.52 | tr0gd0r | anyway to get my network card to get multiple ips from DHCP? |
| 06:22.53 | enyawix | ? |
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| 06:23.10 | Wyzard | enyawix: or use gnome-power-manager, which is better anyway |
| 06:23.16 | keith | tr0gd0r: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/IP-Alias.html |
| 06:23.23 | tr0gd0r | thanks |
| 06:23.38 | Wyzard | IP aliasing is deprecated |
| 06:23.45 | keith | it is? |
| 06:24.01 | Wyzard | That's the eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. stuff, right? |
| 06:24.06 | keith | yep |
| 06:24.19 | Wyzard | Kernel 2.4 and newer can assign multiple IPs to a real interface (like eth0) |
| 06:24.36 | Wyzard | ifconfig can't do it, (which is part of why ifconfig is deprecated too), but iproute can |
| 06:24.47 | Wyzard | ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0; ip addr add 5.6.7.8 dev eth0 |
| 06:25.15 | keith | well, that article is from 2001 ;-) |
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| 06:25.22 | Wyzard | As for DHCP, I *think* alias interfaces all get the same MAC address, so the DHCP server would assign them all the same IP |
| 06:25.26 | keith | and it mentions that it's deprecated |
| 06:25.47 | tr0gd0r | yeah im thinking i cant do it with DHCP |
| 06:25.49 | keith | Wyzard: looks that way |
| 06:25.50 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: What you'd want to do is configure the DHCP client to send different "client identifiers" with each request |
| 06:26.12 | tr0gd0r | basically my school limits me to 80K per ip, so I was hoping to get like 5 ips assigned to my network |
| 06:26.16 | tr0gd0r | my network card* |
| 06:26.23 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: The client ID is the real unique identifier for a DHCP client, and the server uses the client's MAC address if the ID is omitted |
| 06:26.24 | keith | ha, nice |
| 06:26.28 | keith | put in a few NICs? |
| 06:26.28 | geaaru | yes, unstable version will be stable after test and use, so if i can understand where is problems i can comunicate to package mantainer... however, thanks for your reply. |
| 06:26.31 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: yeah, I used to do that at my school a few years ago |
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| 06:26.41 | tr0gd0r | a few nics would work |
| 06:26.48 | tr0gd0r | but i only have 1 PCI slot available |
| 06:26.54 | Azar | unstable will be forever unstable |
| 06:27.10 | tr0gd0r | 80K is unnacceptable |
| 06:27.18 | zoredache | tr0gd0r: buy a nic with multiple ports? Intell will sell you a 4 port nic |
| 06:27.19 | tr0gd0r | my school has at least 100mbit |
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| 06:27.32 | tr0gd0r | zoredache, link me |
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| 06:27.43 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: Aside from the issue of getting multiple IPs, keep in mind that you'll have to set up some sort of load balancing so they actually all get used |
| 06:28.06 | tr0gd0r | Wyzard, i realize that |
| 06:28.16 | keith | you could get a 4-port network card |
| 06:28.19 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: By default I think you'd just get one of them used and the rest ignored |
| 06:28.19 | tr0gd0r | id assign firefox one ip, ftp another |
| 06:28.28 | keith | check ebay |
| 06:28.30 | tr0gd0r | irc another |
| 06:28.38 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: How would you assign an IP to a program? |
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| 06:28.59 | tr0gd0r | cant I force firefox to use a certain IP for outgoing connections |
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| 06:29.08 | Wyzard | Maybe, I dunno |
| 06:29.17 | tr0gd0r | i figured I could |
| 06:29.19 | tr0gd0r | but im not sure |
| 06:29.24 | tr0gd0r | kinda a linux noob |
| 06:29.31 | tr0gd0r | just installed it a week ago |
| 06:29.31 | tr0gd0r | lol |
| 06:29.37 | zoredache | tr0gd0r: here is a two port... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106202 |
| 06:29.40 | Wyzard | If that's possible, it'd be an application-specific setting that very few programs would support |
| 06:30.01 | Wyzard | and you can't statically configure an app to use a certain IP anyway if the IPs are assigned dynamically by DHCP |
| 06:30.14 | tr0gd0r | bind it to an IF |
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| 06:30.43 | tr0gd0r | lol @ 180$ |
| 06:30.47 | tr0gd0r | a single port is like $5 |
| 06:30.48 | zoredache | Wyzard: couldn't you setup policy based routing to use a certain route if say all the traffic was tcp/80, and tcp/443? |
| 06:30.53 | enyawix | tr0gd0r what are you talking about? |
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| 06:31.00 | enyawix | firefox ip? |
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| 06:31.21 | tr0gd0r | id really just like to get around this damn limited connection as easily as possible |
| 06:31.21 | Wyzard | zoredache: Possibly, but it's hard to do any sort of routing configuration if all your IPs are assigned dynamically |
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| 06:31.32 | tr0gd0r | cant believe they limit us to 80K |
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| 06:31.38 | tr0gd0r | 250K would be acceptable |
| 06:31.44 | tr0gd0r | but 80K is not |
| 06:32.01 | zoredache | setup a second computer and run squid on it? |
| 06:32.05 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: It's probably to avoid saturating the school's Internet connection with P2P traffic |
| 06:32.12 | Azar | Wyzard: I can't grasp tr0gd0r's idea but if I remember back when I was using a DHCP, and I needed another IP, I would use a web proxy |
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| 06:32.20 | zoredache | or even better, run squid on both, then setup cache peering |
| 06:32.26 | artur | How to change method of resume from suspend? |
| 06:32.45 | artur | My debian wakes up by mouse moving and keyboard pressing |
| 06:32.46 | zoredache | perhpas setup one as a VM on your current box? |
| 06:32.50 | tr0gd0r | wyzard i realize what its for |
| 06:33.00 | tr0gd0r | at the beginning of the year it wasnt capped |
| 06:33.02 | artur | i want to change it to resuming only for power button |
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| 06:33.09 | tr0gd0r | and during the day i would get 4k, dial up speeds |
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| 06:33.25 | tr0gd0r | now that they capped it, i get stable speeds throughout the day |
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| 06:33.58 | Azar | want speed with firefox? don't use plugins, extensions and images... text only and you will fly |
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| 06:34.28 | Azar | massa Guerin_ |
| 06:34.35 | ameyer | shrug, w3m is 99% as useful as that, and it's a lot lighter |
| 06:34.42 | Azar | yep |
| 06:34.46 | Azar | links too |
| 06:34.49 | ameyer | matters a lot more on my craptop though |
| 06:35.06 | ameyer | 128 MB is a lot more cramped than 512 MB |
| 06:35.14 | Azar | the less features carries, the faster |
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| 06:35.51 | tr0gd0r | I dont have a problem with webpages |
| 06:35.57 | tr0gd0r | 80K is more than enough for that |
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| 06:36.03 | tr0gd0r | but updates and programs take forever |
| 06:36.09 | Azar | tr0gd0r: that's the price you pay for sound and movies |
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| 06:36.28 | Azar | uh updates with firefox ? |
| 06:36.33 | tr0gd0r | definitely not living in the dorm next year |
| 06:36.34 | Azar | who does that? |
| 06:36.41 | Wyzard | updates with apt, presumably |
| 06:36.53 | tr0gd0r | apt-get upgrade took like an hour |
| 06:37.07 | tr0gd0r | would have been 10 mins at home |
| 06:37.09 | tr0gd0r | on my 10mbit |
| 06:37.14 | Azar | yep, and updates does not need images, sound, ... doubt is slower |
| 06:37.28 | Azar | change the mirror |
| 06:37.41 | ameyer | honestly, the web's a lot faster without images |
| 06:37.44 | tr0gd0r | WTF is Azar talking about |
| 06:37.47 | Azar | oh wireless clog in the dorms? |
| 06:37.59 | tr0gd0r | its no clog |
| 06:38.07 | zoredache | Azar: he is being traffic shapped... :| |
| 06:38.07 | tr0gd0r | its the damn management limiting everyone |
| 06:38.17 | Azar | if updates take forever then is something wrong with your connection |
| 06:38.20 | ameyer | if only because you don't need to contact 25 different servers of varying responsiveness |
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| 06:38.48 | ameyer | it's very noticable even on a not-so-crappy connection like mine |
| 06:39.13 | ameyer | not that my connection's 1337, but it seems to be better than tr0gd0r's dorm connection |
| 06:39.19 | tr0gd0r | lol |
| 06:39.32 | tr0gd0r | my home connection is 25 mbit down/ 3 mbit up |
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| 06:39.46 | tr0gd0r | dorm is like 1mbit down and 256k up |
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| 06:39.55 | ameyer | also, I bet that you could significantly reduce page load times by blocking google adsense |
| 06:39.58 | kgoetz | my home is 256k down 64 up |
| 06:40.25 | ameyer | (I always found pages waiting for like 10 seconds for the freaking ads to load before they'd render) |
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| 06:40.35 | tr0gd0r | Ad block plus |
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| 06:40.48 | NiLon | loving it |
| 06:40.53 | ameyer | but perhaps that could be improved by Firefox rendering around the slow-ass server |
| 06:41.02 | chovy | how do i create a debian pkg for an app. not supported officially? |
| 06:41.04 | Azar | remove images, that kills the ad altogether :) |
| 06:41.13 | chovy | *bumps* aptana_IDE |
| 06:41.20 | ameyer | Azar: no, that'd actually be javascript |
| 06:41.25 | tr0gd0r | Azar what about java and flash |
| 06:41.29 | Azar | ameyer: no, that too |
| 06:41.43 | Azar | troubled: java, js, flash and images |
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| 06:42.03 | troubled | Azar: ? |
| 06:42.04 | ameyer | not to mention google analytics |
| 06:42.08 | tr0gd0r | heh browsing ebay without images would be a nightmare |
| 06:42.12 | Azar | troubled: all disabled |
| 06:42.12 | ameyer | privacy leak and slow as hell |
| 06:42.15 | tr0gd0r | wouldnt know what products looked like |
| 06:42.21 | troubled | Azar: wha? |
| 06:42.33 | troubled | Azar: perhaps you mean tr0gd0r ? |
| 06:42.39 | Azar | well while surfing, when you need to peek at an image just enable image temporarly |
| 06:42.47 | ameyer | I honestly prefer a noscript-like approach to js/flash/java/whatever |
| 06:42.55 | Azar | oh troubled sorry... damn tab |
| 06:43.01 | troubled | heh, np *waves* |
| 06:43.02 | ameyer | it'd be nice if there was a noimage extension |
| 06:43.25 | ameyer | browsing adult content without images would suck |
| 06:43.28 | tr0gd0r | lol |
| 06:43.29 | ameyer | in a bad way |
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| 06:43.48 | Azar | ameyer: no need for an extension, customize from preferences, uncheck the load images |
| 06:44.03 | zoredache | I did hack together a noimage extension once... it isn't too hard |
| 06:44.22 | ameyer | Azar: but you can't, say, whitelist image domains you want |
| 06:44.23 | zoredache | just steal the code for 'proxybutton' and make half a dozen tweaks |
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| 06:44.35 | ameyer | although for most things w3m is just fine |
| 06:44.59 | ameyer | if I need to view an image, I have it set so I can view it in feh |
| 06:45.02 | Azar | ameyer: damn, you don't need to |
| 06:45.24 | tr0gd0r | could use lynx from terminal |
| 06:45.39 | Azar | yep, that too |
| 06:46.17 | tr0gd0r | i have to say beryl is really laggy on my machine and my machine should be more than adequate for it |
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| 06:47.18 | Azar | maybe you don't have a video accelleration configured yet |
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| 06:48.10 | xtor | if I want my kernel to support over 4 gigs ram...do I have to recompile it or are there kernel images with built in options I could grab? |
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| 06:48.34 | artur | How to change method of resume in pm-suspend? |
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| 06:49.13 | tr0gd0r | Azar i have the nvidia drivers installed |
| 06:49.25 | Azar | mmhmmm |
| 06:49.34 | Wyzard | xtor: Use a -bigmem kernel |
| 06:49.57 | Wyzard | xtor: They're built with CONFIG_64G, i.e. PAE |
| 06:50.19 | tr0gd0r | Azar how can I tell if i have video accel on? |
| 06:50.24 | Wyzard | xtor: (PAE mode is also necessary to use the "no execute" feature of current processors, btw) |
| 06:50.54 | Azar | tr0gd0r: how did you installed nvidia drivers? |
| 06:51.16 | tr0gd0r | downloaded the .run file from their site |
| 06:51.18 | tr0gd0r | ran it |
| 06:51.24 | xtor | the kernels are built with PAE I presume...the bigmem ones |
| 06:51.26 | tr0gd0r | and ran nvidia-xconfig |
| 06:51.26 | Azar | !nvidia installer |
| 06:51.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. |
| 06:51.28 | Yabber | hey all, when looking at "ipInReceives" is the values presented, packets in octets or bytes, bots or what? |
| 06:51.36 | Azar | tr0gd0r: read that ^^^ |
| 06:52.03 | tr0gd0r | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 06:52.03 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 06:52.09 | rcard | ? |
| 06:52.37 | Azar | tr0gd0r: if you run Testing or Unstable I have no idea how to get nvidia ... |
| 06:52.47 | Wyzard | xtor: yep, just said that :-P |
| 06:53.28 | tr0gd0r | Azar im actually running ubuntu |
| 06:53.40 | Azar | tr0gd0r: ah well, that explains |
| 06:53.40 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: Then ask in #ubuntu, not here |
| 06:53.50 | tr0gd0r | that channel is full of noobs and too many questions |
| 06:53.57 | Azar | install Debian 4.0 Etch stable and it gonna work |
| 06:54.03 | tr0gd0r | it works |
| 06:54.08 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: This channel is full of people who don't support Ubuntu :-) |
| 06:54.11 | tr0gd0r | and i think it works as well as it ever will |
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| 06:54.16 | tr0gd0r | just is crappy code |
| 06:54.22 | tr0gd0r | needs some AA for sure |
| 06:54.40 | tr0gd0r | jagged edges of windows when in cube mode ftl |
| 06:55.47 | Azar | ... to emphasize: "..proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers.." |
| 06:56.03 | robboplus | tr0gd0r Please move your ubuntu problems to ubuntu channel. kthx. |
| 06:56.05 | tr0gd0r | Azar i used m-a |
| 06:56.06 | Azar | not on Debian, which Debian is NOT Ubuntu |
| 06:56.08 | robboplus | lol j/k :) |
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| 06:56.14 | tr0gd0r | lol robbo |
| 06:56.27 | tr0gd0r | i swear the ubuntu channel is no help at all |
| 06:56.28 | Azar | Boburt? |
| 06:56.35 | tr0gd0r | its all people who never used linux before in their life |
| 06:56.46 | wols_ | tr0gd0r: then you will fit right in |
| 06:56.52 | kgoetz | lol. burned |
| 06:56.54 | robboplus | lmao wols |
| 06:56.55 | tr0gd0r | on a scale of 1-10 in understanding linux, i place myself at 6 or 7 |
| 06:57.01 | tr0gd0r | that channel is all 1s and 2s |
| 06:57.07 | wols_ | please don't ask where we put you |
| 06:57.11 | robboplus | tr0gd0r why on earth would you want ubuntu then? |
| 06:57.24 | tr0gd0r | robboplus, because i had a disc lying around |
| 06:57.26 | robboplus | no 6-7/10 would even think of that |
| 06:57.34 | tr0gd0r | and my connection is too slow to download debian |
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| 06:57.52 | tr0gd0r | i just ordered a dedicated server with centos, i bet im going to hate that |
| 06:57.56 | robboplus | tr0gd0r i used to download debian isos on 33.6k modem... worked well. |
| 06:58.00 | tr0gd0r | should have gotten debian |
| 06:58.19 | robboplus | yes, you are going to hate that... |
| 06:58.29 | tr0gd0r | seemed to be the most popular choice |
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| 06:58.56 | robboplus | ok now it's getting ridiculous... ubuntu guy ordering centos dedi hanging in debian chan :) |
| 06:59.06 | schasi | tr0gd0r: Get debian and something != kde or gnome, eg fluxbox |
| 06:59.30 | tr0gd0r | why fluxbox |
| 06:59.32 | schasi | with some netinstall or businesscard image to install |
| 06:59.42 | tr0gd0r | not like im running on a 128MB ram system |
| 06:59.50 | schasi | fluxbox, openbox, wmii, icewm, whatever |
| 06:59.58 | Azar | :) better now |
| 07:00.06 | schasi | Because kde, gnome and such are heavy in size |
| 07:00.14 | tr0gd0r | i have 4GB of ram, i dont mind |
| 07:00.24 | Azar | but but they have buttons to click on! |
| 07:00.42 | blq | what about Xfce? |
| 07:01.04 | tr0gd0r | will beryl even work in fluxbox? |
| 07:01.17 | ameyer | umm, no |
| 07:01.23 | tr0gd0r | didnt think so |
| 07:01.40 | Azar | tr0gd0r: while the ram industry has advanced, the hard drive speed is same as it was say 7 years ago : slow. The disk spins slowwwwwww |
| 07:01.43 | ameyer | as I understand it, beryl is a wm, which is what fluxbox is |
| 07:01.46 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: Beryl and Fluxbox are both window managers |
| 07:01.52 | Wyzard | You use one or the other |
| 07:02.01 | tr0gd0r | im using gnome and beryl |
| 07:02.03 | tr0gd0r | afaik |
| 07:02.09 | ameyer | there's nothing in fluxbox that could run on top of beryl |
| 07:02.12 | Wyzard | GNOME isn't awindow manager |
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| 07:02.21 | Wyzard | though many people seem to think it is |
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| 07:02.23 | ameyer | metacity is a wm |
| 07:02.28 | Wyzard | exactly |
| 07:02.48 | ameyer | as is kwin and (whatever the hell XFCE calls it) |
| 07:02.51 | Azar | use plain X with a bgimage of your choice, install a "small" wm like fluxbox or openbox and voila!!! setup |
| 07:02.54 | ameyer | xfwm I think |
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| 07:03.07 | Wyzard | You're running GNOME, but using Beryl instead of Metacity (the "normal" GNOME WM) |
| 07:03.11 | tr0gd0r | i thought gnome was a WM |
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| 07:03.23 | tr0gd0r | is KDE a WM?> |
| 07:03.28 | Wyzard | no |
| 07:03.34 | Azar | desktops, tr0gd0r |
| 07:03.37 | Wyzard | GNOME, KDE, and XFCE are desktop environments |
| 07:03.50 | Wyzard | A window manager draws borders and titlebars on windows... that's all |
| 07:04.02 | ameyer | no, gnome and kde are stuff that runs on top of a window manager |
| 07:04.13 | Azar | WTF? |
| 07:04.18 | ameyer | well, they both also have a window manager, but that can be replaced |
| 07:04.19 | Wyzard | A desktop environment is a bunch of programs and libraries... a "taskbar" (or "panel" as GNOME calls it), a window manager, a file manager, some applets, etc. |
| 07:04.32 | schasi | tr0gd0r: I was not talking about the memory footprint in your ram but the size of the download |
| 07:04.33 | wols_ | Azar: you are mistaken. harddisk densities are a lot higher than they where. doesn't change access time but it does change throughput |
| 07:04.44 | ameyer | I think you could run kde on metacity or gnome on kwin |
| 07:04.51 | ameyer | not that you'd want to |
| 07:04.59 | Azar | wols_: thanks for the correction... |
| 07:05.01 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 07:05.05 | Wyzard | or Fluxbox in GNOME |
| 07:05.17 | Wyzard | That'd really confuse the people who think they're mutually exclusive :-) |
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| 07:05.51 | simonrvn | *box in gnome ;p |
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| 07:06.04 | tr0gd0r | 21 cds for debian |
| 07:06.04 | Azar | ameyer: I don't know other example but this stupid one (pardon the o/t) is windows desktop running on top of windows explorer? |
| 07:06.06 | tr0gd0r | holy omg |
| 07:06.16 | simonrvn | just need one |
| 07:06.17 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: or three DVDs, but you don't need them all |
| 07:06.43 | Azar | tr0gd0r: you only need the 1st one for base install, then you can pick and cherry packages you want from the repositories and install with aptitude |
| 07:06.47 | robboplus | tr0gd0r all you really want is CD1. |
| 07:06.55 | robboplus | 540 megs or so |
| 07:07.14 | Wyzard | Azar: Explorer is the "shell" for Windows -- it's a file manager that also draws the desktop icons (like Nautilus or Konqueror) and also (I think) the taskbar (unlike Nautilus/Konq) |
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| 07:07.45 | tr0gd0r | heh now if only creative would get my x-fi working in linux |
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| 07:07.51 | blq | yes, it "is" also the taskbar |
| 07:08.04 | Azar | Wyzard: I never used a desktop with Debian, you "must" have a wm in order to run a desktop? |
| 07:08.09 | tr0gd0r | if I use the AMD64 install can I install 32bit applications as well as 64bit? |
| 07:08.18 | tr0gd0r | can i run* |
| 07:08.18 | eck | does postfix run in a chroot out of the box? it's having problems finding the sasl socket |
| 07:08.41 | Wyzard | Azar: A window manager isn't strictly necessary, but X isn't very useful without one |
| 07:08.45 | Wyzard | eck: No, it doesn't |
| 07:08.57 | Azar | Wyzard: how about gnome, or kde? |
| 07:09.10 | eck | Wyzard: thanks |
| 07:09.21 | Azar | I would imagine that the icons and bars there will work without a wm |
| 07:09.22 | tr0gd0r | if I use the AMD64 install can I run 32bit applications as well as 64bit? |
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| 07:09.41 | simonrvn | tr0gd0r: no, either/or unless in a chroot |
| 07:09.43 | s4xxon | goodmorning, how can i see what xorg version i got ? |
| 07:10.00 | Wyzard | eck: I set up postfix recently using Dovecot SASL... smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth, and Dovecot is configured to put the socket in /var/spool/postfix/private/auth |
| 07:10.01 | wols_ | s4xxon: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 07:10.04 | simonrvn | tr0gd0r: then you can have 32 bit host, and 64 bit chroot, or vice versa |
| 07:10.17 | cydork | tr0gd0r: there is a package called as ia32-libs which can be used too.. |
| 07:10.24 | tr0gd0r | simonrvn in windows 32bit apps run in 64bit windows |
| 07:10.28 | Azar | good night honorables! :D |
| 07:10.33 | tr0gd0r | just wondering cuz i know flash doesnt work on 64bit |
| 07:10.35 | simonrvn | this isn't windows |
| 07:10.36 | eck | Wyzard: thanks, i'm also using dovecot sasl, but my config is a bit weird because i'm migrating it from centos, i'll try that |
| 07:10.37 | s4xxon | 1.7.2-5 |
| 07:10.42 | s4xxon | could that be ? |
| 07:10.48 | Wyzard | Azar: Without a window manager, all your windows appear on top of each other, typically in the upper-left corner of the screen, and there's no way to resize them or drag them around |
| 07:10.49 | tr0gd0r | but i need 64bit to use x-fi drivers for my sound card |
| 07:10.55 | wols_ | s4xxon: xorg 7.2 |
| 07:11.05 | s4xxon | okie, thanks :) |
| 07:11.16 | wols_ | tr0gd0r: you can run a 64bit kernel in a 32bit distro just fine |
| 07:11.26 | wols_ | and soundcard drivers are kernel modules |
| 07:11.34 | Wyzard | eck: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html |
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| 07:11.53 | tr0gd0r | wols_, sounds like a nightmare |
| 07:12.38 | Wyzard | eck: Even better, http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL |
| 07:12.41 | wols_ | only for you |
| 07:12.50 | Wyzard | eck: That's pretty much exactly what I followed |
| 07:13.05 | tr0gd0r | wols_, :( making fun of me |
| 07:13.53 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: 32-bit programs can run in 64-bit Linux |
| 07:14.28 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: but the Debian package system doesn't support installing packages from the i386 port on an installation of the amd64 port |
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| 07:15.26 | Wyzard | tr0gd0r: so you have to make a chroot to install an i386 Debian system in which to use i386 Debian packages |
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| 07:18.35 | blq | I'm trying to do a shell script, is there a function list like for PHP or something like that? |
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| 07:19.34 | Wyzard | blq: There's the bash manual |
| 07:19.35 | Supaplex | blq: man bash |
| 07:19.49 | Supaplex | blq: or 'help' on the command line. |
| 07:19.56 | blq | thankyou |
| 07:19.57 | Wyzard | It's more pleasant to read as HTML or Info than as a manpage |
| 07:20.20 | Wyzard | (Actually, bash's info page seems to be missing... it's not in bash-doc) |
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| 07:20.52 | Wyzard | blq: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html |
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| 07:21.19 | blq | Wyzard: thankyou, I was allready searching for something like that :) |
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| 07:38.46 | Tokeiito | good day |
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| 07:40.16 | dazou | Can I unpack zip files with tar ? |
| 07:40.39 | Tokeiito | trying to mount sec hdd as user home directory, but geting such error: Unrecognized mount option uid=1001. Where can be problem? line in fstab: /dev/sdb1 /home/dev auto defaults,users,auto,uid=1001 0 0 |
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| 07:41.34 | wols_ | dazou: nop. use unzip |
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| 07:42.28 | Tokeiito | in manual is writen that i can set uid users id and gid - group id |
| 07:42.53 | Tokeiito | but why i'm getin that there is no such mount option? |
| 07:42.54 | wols_ | Tokeiito: what filesystem? |
| 07:42.58 | Tokeiito | ext3 |
| 07:43.03 | wols_ | that's why |
| 07:43.10 | Tokeiito | i see |
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| 07:43.44 | Tokeiito | than how to mount it with that user permissions? |
| 07:44.17 | wols_ | you simply mount it without uid |
| 07:44.31 | wols_ | the user will be able to crate files just fine if he has the permissions |
| 07:44.43 | Tokeiito | but then directory /home/dev belongs to root:root |
| 07:44.52 | Tokeiito | not for dev:dev |
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| 07:45.01 | dazou | wols thanks |
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| 07:45.27 | wols_ | 1chown it then |
| 07:45.33 | wols_ | -1 |
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| 07:46.04 | Tokeiito | normaly it belongs to dev:dev, but after mount owner and group changes to root |
| 07:46.26 | wols_ | what part of "chown it then" didn't you understand? |
| 07:47.03 | Tokeiito | -1 :) |
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| 07:48.26 | Tokeiito | ok. thnank you for help |
| 07:48.27 | Tokeiito | :) |
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| 07:50.39 | xlotlu | bluez-utils is sooo old |
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| 07:53.02 | Muffin | Hi there. I just compiled my own version of firefox2 linked to an IBM java binary because I'm running PowerPC. So, now I need to tell the packaging system that I've got the java sdk and iceweasel installed so it makes that assumption... |
| 07:53.26 | wols_ | Muffin: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 08:01.07 | Muffin | Ahh, equivs. Lovely. |
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| 08:05.26 | Bracki | dazou: if its a file.tar.gz you can: tar xvzf file.tar.gz |
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| 08:36.32 | majmun | i need a simple console-based hex-editor...suggestions..? |
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| 08:37.14 | maul^ | how can I stopping&starting X via console? |
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| 08:37.40 | aredhel | majmun, hexedit? |
| 08:38.00 | henwork | anyone has an explanation about the rc dirs? |
| 08:38.14 | wols_ | maul^: stopping X or your display manager? |
| 08:38.29 | maul^ | I am ssh'ing to my debian server |
| 08:38.29 | wols_ | if you don't use a displaymanager: killall X |
| 08:38.36 | wols_ | starting is done via "startx" |
| 08:39.02 | majmun | ht does just fine :> found it a sec bevore |
| 08:39.05 | wols_ | with ssh you don't have a X server there. makes no sense |
| 08:39.13 | maul^ | is gnome may be my display manager_ |
| 08:39.17 | maul^ | ? |
| 08:39.28 | wols_ | no. gdm might be |
| 08:39.37 | wols_ | a displaymanager is that gui login prompt |
| 08:39.56 | maul^ | winner:/etc/init.d# gdm stop |
| 08:39.56 | maul^ | GDM already running. Aborting! |
| 08:39.59 | wols_ | and again: when accessing via ssh, it makes no sense to start x |
| 08:40.09 | wols_ | maul^: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:41.07 | maul^ | wols_: it worked. why didnt it worked when I've said `gdm stop` in /etc/init.d ? |
| 08:41.23 | wols_ | cause . is not in your path as root |
| 08:41.34 | wols_ | so /usr/sbin/gdm or such was executed, not /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 08:42.35 | maul^ | wols_: current directory is not in my path? interesting |
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| 08:43.11 | cyberjames | hi SlayerXP |
| 08:43.19 | maul^ | I restarted gdm. now, how can I connect to my server X via graphical interface |
| 08:43.21 | SlayerXP | cyberjames: hiya |
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| 08:44.14 | SlayerXP | cyberjames: please don't send me private messages unless I specifically request it. |
| 08:44.35 | SlayerXP | cyberjames: however to answer your question, yes, I'm currently typing from a computer running Windows XP |
| 08:45.34 | Guerin_ | !pal SlayerXP |
| 08:45.54 | petemc | i can beat that, im running NT$ |
| 08:45.59 | petemc | erm, NT4 |
| 08:46.33 | henwork | im using win95 |
| 08:46.41 | petemc | loser |
| 08:46.43 | SlayerXP | I'll use linux on my games machine on the day that games like HL2, HL2:EP2 and Portal run natively |
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| 08:51.25 | henwork | lol Linux is like a tipi: No windows, no gates - Apache inside! |
| 08:51.29 | maul^ | as far as I understand gdm stop only stops display manager but NOT server X |
| 08:52.10 | RvGaTe^work | henwork, that oe made me laugh :P good oen |
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| 08:53.40 | Eulex | maul^, it will stop your X server too, if you started your X server using gdm. |
| 08:53.44 | Duzchip | Heya, a small question, in debian 4, how do i, by using apt-get, install a flashplayer for iceweasel please? |
| 08:53.59 | Duzchip | i tried installing swf-player but didn't work |
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| 08:54.16 | maul^ | Eulex: I think Debian Desktop starts X and gdm by default, I didnt change something |
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| 08:54.50 | cydork | Duzchip: you can install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:55.20 | Eulex | maul^, by default gdm starts X, yes. |
| 08:55.22 | Duzchip | "flashplugin-nonfree has no installcandidate" |
| 08:55.23 | Duzchip | ...? |
| 08:55.37 | henwork | how do i disable the bind debug mode? (or check if it exists at all) |
| 08:55.38 | Eulex | !non-free |
| 08:55.39 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:55.40 | cydork | Duzchip: you need to enable contrib sources for that. |
| 08:56.08 | maul^ | Eulex: ok. Now I am ssh'ing my debian. if I stop gdm, will it also stop X? |
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| 08:56.30 | Duzchip | cydork: oki, where do i find the adresses to add in source.list? |
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| 08:58.03 | ike | Duzchip: look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 08:58.18 | cydork | Duzchip: just add contrib to line in sources.list which says " etch main" so it will be like "etch main contrib" |
| 08:58.23 | ike | There should contrib and non-free enabled. |
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| 09:00.35 | Duzchip | W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: |
| 09:00.37 | Duzchip | :( |
| 09:01.12 | cydork | non-us?? |
| 09:01.18 | cydork | !non-us |
| 09:01.18 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 09:01.47 | zophy | is there still a need for non-us ? |
| 09:01.52 | cydork | zophy: nope. |
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| 09:02.33 | Duzchip | E: Packet flashplugin-nonfree has no installcandidate still |
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| 09:02.57 | Duzchip | added deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free to /etc/apt/source.list |
| 09:03.01 | Duzchip | and the ran "apt-get update" |
| 09:03.13 | henwork | !rc.d |
| 09:03.13 | dpkg | Debian is not DeadRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
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| 09:03.45 | cydork | Duzchip: those are sources. you need to add contrib to line which starts with deb not deb-src. |
| 09:04.18 | Duzchip | hehe sorry, was quite some time since i used Debian |
| 09:04.31 | Duzchip | aaah, now its working |
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| 09:05.49 | Eulex | maul^, yes |
| 09:06.35 | Duzchip | aaah, thanks a lot for the help |
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| 09:10.07 | poncha | i have huge permissions problem ;) in fact, as of right now i cannot run any executable (or at least any executable that uses shared libs (?)). i've run this in /lib: chmod -x *.[0123456789] (was trying to fix permissions since someone has run chmod -R +x /lib ) , but this screwed up something that was not supposed to be -x ... so two questions are... |
| 09:10.29 | poncha | (1) what exactly screwed my so hard? did it break symlinks? |
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| 09:10.54 | poncha | and (2) is there any feasible way to fix this without restarting machine and booting livecd? |
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| 09:12.21 | cydork | poncha: can't be sure but libc*.so and ld*.so comes to mind. |
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| 09:14.48 | poncha | cydork: i tried ls *.[0123456789] on other machine and libc.so itself didnt come up, but symlinks did... i didnt know however i could remove +x from symlink |
| 09:15.59 | henwork | poncha!! |
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| 09:18.12 | cydork | poncha: no it affects the target. check the permissions of libc*.so and ld*.so.. |
| 09:19.17 | henwork | poncha: btw its sniff :p |
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| 09:21.37 | poncha | henwork: heh;) |
| 09:21.58 | poncha | cydork: i cant check permissions unless i can do it with bash internals ;) |
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| 09:22.18 | cydork | poncha: this is where livecd comes in :) |
| 09:22.19 | poncha | any external executable gives permission denied ;) |
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| 09:22.37 | poncha | yeah, well, i was hoping i could get away without rebooting ;) |
| 09:22.42 | henwork | lol funny you can screw linux up that way |
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| 09:23.02 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 09:23.47 | yakirwork | poncha: say, hypothetically, you can upload a file that that can check/set permissions |
| 09:23.49 | yakirwork | would it work? |
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| 09:24.13 | jelly-home | yakirwork: you can screw linux in a million ways when you have administrator privileges |
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| 09:24.39 | yakirwork | i know, been there done that |
| 09:24.50 | et | and you're guaranteed to find a new one every once in a while ;) |
| 09:24.54 | Internat | yeah.. i really love the saying "dont drink and root" i think ive broken a few computers that way |
| 09:25.24 | Guerin_ | Internat: nobody would ever get born if that were the law |
| 09:25.37 | ike | ? |
| 09:26.04 | Internat | lol |
| 09:26.09 | Internat | thats not the kind of root i was talking about :P |
| 09:26.20 | Internat | my linux boxes need a breathalizer |
| 09:26.22 | jelly-home | you did use it as a verb |
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| 09:29.31 | Internat | indeed |
| 09:30.03 | Haris | The debug_options keyword is not working in squid3 on etch |
| 09:30.17 | Haris | squid -k debug is also not giving me any output |
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| 09:33.24 | tobb | hi... can please someone check if this server is reachable. i'm in an network where the ftp port is blocked i think |
| 09:33.29 | tobb | ftp://hainspiel44.homeip.net |
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| 09:34.33 | piper69 | morning guys |
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| 09:34.52 | helloyo | morning |
| 09:34.55 | aspWork | could anybody recommend a good gtk based tool to monitor servers via snmp? |
| 09:35.20 | lost_eden | #debian's recommendation on an FTP server to install? |
| 09:35.31 | piper69 | i want to install joomla on my box , but there is no pkg for it |
| 09:35.49 | Ronin | lost_eden: probibly isnt one as ftp is a tad insecure |
| 09:35.50 | Ronin | !ftp |
| 09:35.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
| 09:36.03 | Ronin | heh not very helpful |
| 09:36.26 | Eulex | !ftpmustdie |
| 09:36.26 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 09:36.28 | piper69 | Ronin use ssh |
| 09:36.33 | aspWork | lost_eden, id say vsftpd, but i am no pro |
| 09:36.48 | vaq | Proftpd with TLS/SSL |
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| 09:37.07 | yakirwork | " Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine." how so? |
| 09:37.13 | Ronin | id suggest you look in scp |
| 09:37.50 | lost_eden | well I'll only be using the FTP behind my BSD firewall, so no external access |
| 09:37.51 | piper69 | tftp |
| 09:37.59 | lost_eden | it's just for the times I can't use SSH/AFP |
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| 09:39.21 | Haris | I'm getting 400 Bad Request from squid |
| 09:39.34 | Haris | How the heck do I debug a software package, that won't work with debug? |
| 09:40.53 | Haris | should I install from source? |
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| 09:42.02 | valdyn | Haris: if that's a package issue and you're on stable, check the bts |
| 09:42.24 | Haris | bts? |
| 09:42.30 | Haris | valdyn: I installed squid and squid3 |
| 09:42.34 | Haris | both give the same issue |
| 09:42.35 | RvGaTe^work | !bts |
| 09:42.35 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:42.45 | Haris | Ok |
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| 09:43.10 | jelly-home | yakirwork: it's a fuddy little page. That entry point may only account for shell access by a user (if the system is configured to use the same password for ftp and ssh). It's up to the perpetrator to "pwn" the box then, that is, find and use a local root exploit. |
| 09:43.38 | antum | Hi everyone! I'm having trouble making php4 but I can't seem to find the error log so I can trace the error I'm getting. Any ideas? |
| 09:44.22 | jelly-home | antum: "making php4" ... work? Or building php4? |
| 09:45.13 | antum | oh sorry... I'm new to debian so I probably got the terminology wrong.. I've done ./configure and now I'm trying make.. but I get over two screens of errors... and I can't read them all... |
| 09:45.14 | Haris | How do I use reportbug for squid? |
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| 09:45.55 | Axiom | Any good Game Developers in here |
| 09:46.14 | lost_eden | antum: redirect the output of the standardout of make command into a textfile so you can cat it afterwards |
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| 09:47.14 | antum | lost_eden ... I tried make >> phperr.txt but it didnt save the errors... just a whole lot of compiling information... is there a different command? |
| 09:47.20 | Haris | what does the squid-client package do? |
| 09:47.20 | jelly-home | antum: I'd ask what's wrong with Debian's php4 package, but I know a number of answers to that myself. :-) |
| 09:47.51 | Haris | nothing I need |
| 09:48.07 | antum | jelly-home, I've downloaded the source from php.net and building from source... is this not going to work? |
| 09:48.13 | lost_eden | antum: sorry I don't know what t do if that doesn't get you what you want |
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| 09:48.17 | jelly-home | lost_eden, antum: errors are usually output on stderr (hence the name). |
| 09:48.27 | lost_eden | ah, of course |
| 09:48.35 | antum | what does that mean? |
| 09:48.35 | jelly-home | antum: make > logfile 2>&1 |
| 09:48.51 | jelly-home | antum: add 2>&1 to the command |
| 09:48.53 | piper69 | how can i download a file from web using wget.. |
| 09:49.20 | jelly-home | piper69: what did you try so far? |
| 09:49.21 | chemist | wget http etc |
| 09:49.34 | lost_eden | piper69 man wget |
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| 09:50.05 | piper69 | jelly-home: wget http, but... |
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| 09:50.31 | piper69 | lets say there is more than one file on the site how can i make sure that i am getting the right one |
| 09:50.43 | lost_eden | -r for recursive |
| 09:50.46 | lost_eden | read the man page |
| 09:51.07 | piper69 | lost_eden: and why can't you tell me |
| 09:51.12 | jelly-home | antum: it first redirects file descriptor 2 (stderr) to fd 1 (stdout), then redirects stdout to a file |
| 09:51.13 | antum | jelly-home, lost_eden, thanks I can now see the errors... the first one tells me undefined reference to 'main' |
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| 09:51.44 | lost_eden | piper69: if you want a specific file on the page then you just need to use wget http://page.com/filename.extension |
| 09:51.46 | jelly-home | antum: you'll want to pastebin the whole output. /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 09:52.07 | Ronin | piper69: give a man a fish and he eats now teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime stuff :) |
| 09:52.47 | piper69 | Ronin: no thanks last time i got a $300 ticket , so i prefer to buy |
| 09:53.10 | jelly-home | ... take the fish, beat him up and he'll learn to fish and give you another fish tomorrow? |
| 09:53.16 | antum | jelly-home Umm... I actually don't know how to copy and paste the whole lot from the command line... I've got access to lynx ... |
| 09:53.43 | piper69 | always someone must try to be funny and smart, i bet they don't even know how to use it |
| 09:54.09 | jelly-home | piper69: I bet reverse psychology won't work here! |
| 09:54.13 | Ronin | piper69: man wget its all explained there |
| 09:54.30 | piper69 | oh he is asking about wget that must be a command throw man infront of it and the whole room will think we know what we are talking about |
| 09:54.33 | piper69 | :) |
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| 09:55.21 | piper69 | jelly-home: i am just try to teach my self how to use terminal, just in case something happen |
| 09:56.04 | jelly-home | piper69: find a web page, find a file link on it. Take the link (copy link address or a similar right-click option). wget that link. |
| 09:56.13 | jelly-home | can't be simpler if you wanted it to |
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| 09:56.38 | Ronin | jelly-home: sort of like how man wget says to do it heh |
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| 09:57.11 | antum | http://pastebin.ca/732847 |
| 09:57.13 | jelly-home | Ronin: I don't trust Debian specific documentation. |
| 09:57.17 | piper69 | jelly-home: thanks, ok what if i want to search for that file from terminal |
| 09:57.58 | jelly-home | piper69: same thing using a terminal browser and the equivalent command in it |
| 09:58.03 | Ronin | jelly-home: ok i have to ask, why not? |
| 09:58.46 | jelly-home | Ronin: because it can be old, incomplete, or just plain missing. GNU people use info as primary docs. |
| 09:59.01 | piper69 | jelly-home: hey man thanks that answer my question, i appreciate you time |
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| 10:00.50 | Ronin | jelly-home: then its called the internet heh |
| 10:01.37 | piper69 | then why are you on it |
| 10:01.39 | antum | Could it be that I don't have a libc package installed? |
| 10:01.47 | jelly-home | Ronin: I'd rather have a pointer to real documentation than be mislead by existence of a funky man page. |
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| 10:04.22 | piper69 | Ronin:do us all a favour and unplug your computer :) |
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| 10:05.11 | jelly-home | piper69: that's no way to treat a fellow user |
| 10:05.21 | streuner | piper69: do _us_ all a favorite and read the guidelines or just leave us |
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| 10:06.14 | Haris | Anyway to check what options squid3 package was compiled with? |
| 10:06.32 | piper69 | well i think i have the right to ask? am i right or wrong |
| 10:06.36 | streuner | Hairs: check out debian/rules |
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| 10:07.09 | streuner | Hairs: get the source of that package (/msg dpkg simple sid backup) |
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| 10:07.19 | jelly-home | s/backup/backport/ |
| 10:07.25 | piper69 | you have the right not to answer too |
| 10:07.26 | streuner | Hairs: ^^^ |
| 10:07.41 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 10:07.42 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 10:07.42 | jelly-home | streuner: ?too many tyops :-) |
| 10:07.48 | streuner | jelly: thanks :-) |
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| 10:09.11 | piper69 | !gzip |
| 10:09.11 | dpkg | GNU compression utility (replacement for compress). URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/gzip/gzip.html |
| 10:09.45 | streuner | !tell piper69 about guidelines |
| 10:09.56 | jelly-home | antum: well, it looks like it build up to that point, so you did have needed packages with proper headers installed. Dunno, I'd try asking in #php |
| 10:09.58 | streuner | piper69: read #6 |
| 10:10.44 | jelly-home | antum: BTW is there a special reason why you are building your own php4? |
| 10:11.13 | piper69 | streuner: can i talk to you privte |
| 10:11.17 | piper69 | pm |
| 10:11.26 | streuner | no, keep the talk here |
| 10:11.33 | antum | jelly-home... no not really.. just for fun I guess... |
| 10:11.53 | streuner | piper69: if you have a Debian related question just ask |
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| 10:12.28 | piper69 | oh i see, cool i will just play with your rules then |
| 10:13.03 | piper69 | streuner: also you might go back and read your logs, i was asking about a question |
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| 10:14.01 | piper69 | you know what it's over my back now |
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| 10:14.44 | streuner | piper69: whats HARD to download a simple file via wget? |
| 10:14.58 | mikes1 | apt even |
| 10:14.59 | apt | odd |
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| 10:15.37 | streuner | piper69: try "tkinfo wget -> examples" |
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| 10:15.52 | piper69 | streuner: so are you playing GOD now and you can tell people what hard for them and whats not? |
| 10:16.08 | piper69 | streuner: i don't need your help man |
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| 10:19.12 | mikes1 | chill be happy,,:) |
| 10:20.18 | antum | This might sound stupid... but if you do a ./configure, make, make install... and then you want to re ./configure should you delete the orginal files? |
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| 10:21.20 | cast|lir | make clean will do me thinks |
| 10:21.32 | streuner | usually it should have that effect, but i would make sure (delete the old files) in /usr/local/ |
| 10:21.49 | antum | jelly-home, lost_eden it turns out after deleting my php4 source directory and un tarring the source again... then doing a fresh configure and make... it now works! crazy... |
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| 10:22.38 | antum | cast|lir, streuner thanks very much... I'm going to write that down on my ever growing list of things I've learnt from this channel! |
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| 10:23.11 | cast|lir | use stow if you're make installing imho |
| 10:24.04 | antum | what does stow mean? |
| 10:24.08 | cast|lir | !stow |
| 10:24.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
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| 10:24.48 | antum | ooh... I might have to look into that... will it work even though I already have programs running there (apache, mysql?) |
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| 10:27.51 | cast|lir | it should |
| 10:27.59 | Haris | etch doesn't come with tcpdump installed. waw! |
| 10:28.07 | cast|lir | see your problem is how do you uninstall apache/mysql/etc... |
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| 10:29.41 | cydork | Haris: why should it? |
| 10:30.27 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 10:30.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 10:30.54 | graytron | is adding the line "install pcspkr /bin/true" in /etc/modprobe.d/00local the recommended way of avoiding installing the pcspkr driver under debian? |
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| 10:32.29 | gkiagia | hi, I have a problem wiht debian's virtualbox-ose. it aborts randomly on my machine with a win2k guest |
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| 10:32.52 | gkiagia | this doesn't happen with the non-free virtualbox packages from the virtualbox website |
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| 10:33.31 | gkiagia | the crashes generate some core files. I wonder if I could inspect them somehow... |
| 10:34.15 | jelly-home | the free version has been packaged? neat |
| 10:34.23 | jelly-home | !info virtualbox-ose sid |
| 10:34.28 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose: (PC virtualization solution), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-dfsg2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5556 kB, Installed size: 17800 kB |
| 10:34.40 | gkiagia | heh :) |
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| 10:35.04 | Xteven | hi, does anyone know how to tell tin to generate its own Message-ID ? |
| 10:35.16 | my007ms | i don't find nslookup in my system |
| 10:35.41 | my007ms | in install host but i still don't have nslookup |
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| 10:35.43 | Xteven | my007ms: try host |
| 10:35.55 | Xteven | "host www.google.com" |
| 10:36.04 | jelly-home | getent hosts www.google.com |
| 10:36.07 | cydork | my007ms: then you don't have dnsutils installed.. also check /msg dpkg search |
| 10:36.28 | my007ms | host look so great |
| 10:36.41 | my007ms | thanks for get this nice help |
| 10:36.51 | my007ms | i am new in debian i was use to use RHEL |
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| 10:37.38 | Drgb | finally I got the meaning of dist-upgrade |
| 10:37.44 | Drgb | it's "distructive upgrade" |
| 10:38.03 | Penix | that's unpossible |
| 10:38.06 | themill | Drgb: what have you done? |
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| 10:38.18 | Drgb | themill, it was just a random rant |
| 10:38.32 | Drgb | nothing specific, my fault |
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| 10:39.02 | Drgb | I upgraded without thinking that my nice application menu and menu bar could have disappeared |
| 10:39.04 | my007ms | is there something like "yum provides <file-name>" |
| 10:39.06 | Drgb | and they did |
| 10:39.12 | gkiagia | does anyone have any idea how to debug virtualbox-ose ? |
| 10:39.24 | themill | my007ms: apt-file search file-name |
| 10:39.35 | themill | !tell my007ms about search |
| 10:40.10 | my007ms | themill, i don't have apt-file "command not found" |
| 10:40.19 | themill | !installit |
| 10:40.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 10:40.47 | themill | my007ms: read that factoid from dpkg carefully... |
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| 10:43.09 | |porta| | is it better to use aptitude or apt-get?? |
| 10:43.18 | cast|lir | !why aptitude |
| 10:43.18 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 10:43.36 | |porta| | cast|lir: ty |
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| 10:44.24 | tarrybone | !why not apt-get |
| 10:44.24 | dpkg | because it's not aptitude |
| 10:44.37 | |porta| | LOL |
| 10:44.56 | my007ms | themill, apt-file not work for me it try basic things like "apt-file --ignore-case search apache" |
| 10:45.09 | my007ms | and many other but all come with no output at all |
| 10:45.10 | harpal | I want to make tar.gz file So I have given command tar czf /tmp/one.tar.gz /tmp/one than its giving error |
| 10:45.26 | valdyn | my007ms: you need to run apt-file update first |
| 10:45.33 | valdyn | my007ms: as root |
| 10:45.42 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 10:46.05 | harpal | Removing leading `/' from member names |
| 10:46.27 | KnickLighter | Guyz, on my debian server I have VNC installed. Now when I start up the VNC it runs Xfce, but I want it to run KDE. Where do I change that? |
| 10:46.54 | themill | harpal: that's not an error, just for your information |
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| 10:47.16 | valdyn | KnickLighter: should be ~/.vnc/xstartup, which behaves just like |
| 10:47.17 | ix | KnickLighter: ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 10:47.20 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 10:47.20 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 10:47.21 | harpal | themill, than thats fine? |
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| 10:47.42 | funalien | hello! |
| 10:47.44 | themill | harpal: That means that the archive will contain relative path names not absolute path names. So you will need to untar it in / if you want the files to be there, or you can relocate it into another directory quite easily. |
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| 10:48.29 | funalien | Please tell me how to remove built-in kernel ALSA driver?? |
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| 10:49.09 | KnickLighter | hmmz |
| 10:49.23 | funalien | ? |
| 10:49.25 | |porta| | using something to modify gnome what would the choice be? I've read about flux box but I think it is a stand alone program. |
| 10:49.51 | valdyn | |porta|: what's 'modify gnome' supposed to mean? |
| 10:50.13 | my007ms | valdyn, it's work now ;) |
| 10:50.18 | |porta| | The way it looks... I seen beryle do a lot of changes... 3d etc... |
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| 10:50.39 | |porta| | but that was in kde |
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| 10:50.59 | assasukasse | i am experiencing a curious problem in a debian etch modified called elive, i suppose the problem is not in the wm but rather in the debian part..if i try to send ssh-agent it does launch, but ssh-add can't talk with him, if i give env, ssh_agent_pid is never shown..this is exactly what is happening in my other "pure" debian etch install, could it be a bug or some config i made screwed up stuffs? |
| 10:51.07 | K-Lighter | Well, 'startkde' is in that ~/.vnc/xstartup file tho |
| 10:51.11 | valdyn | |porta|: fluxbox is something like beryl, both are window managers |
| 10:51.29 | valdyn | |porta|: beryl is 'special' in that it allows those 3D effects |
| 10:51.37 | valdyn | |porta|: both are 'standalone' in that sense |
| 10:51.38 | |porta| | with it being a window manager would it be self running? It dosn't need gnome?? |
| 10:51.50 | |porta| | ok |
| 10:51.53 | valdyn | |porta|: no WM needs gnome |
| 10:52.01 | |porta| | ahh ok |
| 10:52.12 | |porta| | is there something to help modify gnome? |
| 10:52.49 | valdyn | |porta|: 'gnome-theme-manager' i think ( that name changed in gnome 2.20 ) |
| 10:53.03 | |porta| | valdyn: ty! |
| 10:54.20 | valdyn | |porta|: beryl runs 'on top' of gnome, but it's not in debian anyway. Compiz is and does about the same. |
| 10:54.26 | cmanns | Goodnight! |
| 10:55.13 | |porta| | compiz . would it need a video card like nvidea? something with memory on board of video card? |
| 10:55.32 | valdyn | |porta|: no, you need a video card that has drivers supporting it |
| 10:55.39 | valdyn | |porta|: that's nvidia and intel drivers |
| 10:55.40 | |porta| | :-) ty |
| 10:56.49 | valdyn | ( its fucked up on my intel g33 chipset though,i haven't figured that one out ) |
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| 10:58.23 | waseem57 | hi anyone knows how do i request ops of ##c to remove "banned" status of my I.P. |
| 10:58.59 | petemc | waseem57: that irc from work thing is very prone to abuse, unfortunately |
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| 10:59.10 | my007ms | is there tool to change hostname in all config file els manual |
| 10:59.16 | petemc | !hostname |
| 10:59.16 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 11:00.25 | waseem57 | petemc: i have no idea about this as i have never joined ##c usong this I.P....I'm using dynamic I.P. |
| 11:00.42 | waseem57 | petemc: *using |
| 11:01.03 | petemc | i=cbbe89c2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-9687f80e6feac06f |
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| 11:03.41 | thrashy | Anyone know a good CLI ftp client? |
| 11:03.45 | petemc | ncftp |
| 11:03.55 | azeem | waseem57: probably they banned the web-irc rather than your IP |
| 11:04.08 | thrashy | will it a try :) |
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| 11:05.05 | waseem57 | azeem: i don't know if they did this..because other channls like this are accepting me. |
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| 11:05.28 | waseem57 | back in 10 minutes. |
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| 11:16.34 | waseem57 | i'm back. |
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| 11:19.17 | Haris | squid3 is active! |
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| 11:21.37 | thrashy | petemc: Is there a ncftp irc chan? I looked on the site but couldn't see one |
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| 11:21.46 | petemc | doubt it |
| 11:21.58 | doub_ | what's the difference between the "low performance usb block driver" (ub) and the usb-storage driver, in the linux kernel? |
| 11:22.05 | valdyn | thrashy: its just an ftp client, I'm sure the docs are short enough to read |
| 11:23.07 | doub_ | been googling around, but so far, only LKML patch and cryptic discutions as to how to implement this and that. i'm no kernel developer, so I don't quite get it |
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| 11:23.24 | thrashy | Well i'm slightly confused as to how to connect to a server (yes i already looked at the man). Could you tell me the syntax? |
| 11:23.47 | doub_ | thrashy: "ncftp ftp.debian.org" for example |
| 11:24.09 | thrashy | I mean one with a user/pass |
| 11:24.22 | thrashy | i added -u -p but it says incorrect login |
| 11:24.32 | Internat | ncftp -u username ftp.blah.com |
| 11:24.38 | Internat | that should prompt for a password i think |
| 11:24.40 | valdyn | doub_: don't use that one unless usb-storage does not work |
| 11:24.52 | valdyn | doub_: see http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_USB_Mass_Storage_Device#Beware_the_Low_Performance_USB_Block_Driver |
| 11:25.04 | themill | doub_: ub was designed to be a replacement for usb-storage but it's pretty clunky, it's slow and it's not worth using at present. |
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| 11:25.19 | thrashy | that worked doub_ thanks :) |
| 11:25.37 | doub_ | themill: well, sometimes usb-storage makes me think exactly the same... but i digress |
| 11:25.46 | themill | doub_: ub is supposed to be free of all the workarounds for crappy hardware that are contained in the usb-storage driver. |
| 11:26.19 | doub_ | themill: that's a damn good idea, at least in theory... |
| 11:27.13 | themill | doub_: yes. But it then means that the driver is a lowest-common-denominator driver that won't actually work on a great deal of hardware. I made the mistake of using ub some time about 2.6.9 and have never gone near it since. |
| 11:28.00 | doub_ | themill: well, maybe it can be handy for usb mass storage compliant devices in embedded setups? |
| 11:28.26 | doub_ | themill: which is exactly what i'm looking for, actually |
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| 11:30.16 | themill | doub_: perhaps... you'd be better digging into the documentation about the driver or asking in a kernel-specific venue. |
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| 11:30.36 | doub_ | btw, is it possible to have usb-storage remember assigned device names, so that if you unplug and then re-plug a usb storage device, it comes back with the same device name (say /dev/sda) ? |
| 11:30.48 | valdyn | doub_: udev can do that |
| 11:31.06 | subha | hi all,i've been keeping a custom local repository where i've changed the distro name to testing & code name to etch and I am keeping my Release file (http://192.168.31.37/bosscd/dists/etch/Release) in this way.The structure is same.But at the net installation time when i am preseeding the dists name & code name it is not taking.It is throwing errors.Not a valid release file.Codename can't found .how to solve this one?I am using netboot pkg. for pxe net i |
| 11:31.06 | subha | nstallation.Plz.Plz help |
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| 11:33.26 | doub_ | valdyn: one nifty feature for buggy or low fault tolerance usb hardware would be usb-storage backlogging transaction for when the device comes back, if you see what i mean (seen this many times already) |
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| 11:34.28 | chimera7 | hi |
| 11:34.40 | doub_ | themill: do you know any kernel specific venue where i can ask for? LKML is for developers, i guess |
| 11:36.32 | themill | doub_: /msg chanserv list *kernel* |
| 11:37.45 | petemc | kernelnewbies |
| 11:37.58 | petemc | on often, i think |
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| 11:40.21 | petemc | erm, oftc |
| 11:40.37 | petemc | took me a while to notice that typo.. |
| 11:41.49 | doub_ | petemc: been corrected already ;) |
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| 11:42.19 | petemc | handy enough |
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| 11:43.58 | doub_ | btw, my debian box has some kind of an interesting bug: the clock always drifts, so that i'm well 1h ahead of time after 24h uptime, using latest sid kernel (2.6.22-2) |
| 11:44.28 | doub_ | what may be the source of trouble here? |
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| 11:46.22 | Haris | guys |
| 11:47.10 | Haris | I need info about the macros in exim config on debian or I need to get rid of them. Are these macros part of exim config on etch? I'v chosen for a single file config |
| 11:47.38 | Haris | I haven't seem them when I built it from source |
| 11:47.45 | Haris | so I gather, its a debian specific implementatio |
| 11:47.47 | Haris | n+ |
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| 11:49.39 | aspWork | is there any tool to move settings etc from one machine to another? |
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| 11:52.07 | doub_ | aspWork: if you only installed regular packages, copying /etc (minus some hardware specific changes - fstab et al.) would do right what you want |
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| 11:52.51 | doub_ | aspWork: as for your personal settings in home, the same applies |
| 11:53.18 | aspWork | doub_, how about themes, icons, splash, gdm etc from x? |
| 11:54.21 | doub_ | aspWork: if you want to have exactly the same packages, "dpkg --get-selections > some_file", copy file on 2nd machine, and do "dpkg --get-selections < some_file && apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 11:54.42 | doub_ | well, no |
| 11:54.52 | doub_ | dpkg --set-selections on 2nd machine that is |
| 11:55.09 | aspWork | ok, thnx for the pointers, ill give it a try and to the last bits manually |
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| 11:55.43 | themill | !tell aspWork about reinstall |
| 11:55.52 | themill | aspWork: there are some useful things there too |
| 11:56.05 | supplyanddemand | Does anyone know if there exists a guide to installing powertop on a debian system? (I have never touched the kernel before so I'm a little worried ;)) |
| 11:56.14 | aspWork | themill, thnx |
| 11:56.23 | cydork | supplyanddemand: are you using etch? |
| 11:56.41 | supplyanddemand | Sid ;) |
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| 11:57.04 | cydork | supplyanddemand: then you have it. |
| 11:57.08 | cydork | !info powertop |
| 11:57.11 | dpkg | powertop: (linux tool to find out what is using power on a laptop), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 396 kB |
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| 11:58.49 | supplyanddemand | cydork: Wow, it actually worked. Last time i tested it was in etch... Well thanks! I'm actually a little dissappointed now... I want to recombile the kernel. hMM. |
| 11:59.12 | cydork | supplyanddemand: why recompile? |
| 11:59.17 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, have a autofs + nis question. When using automaps, and I have +auto.home in it, what does that mean? |
| 11:59.42 | supplyanddemand | cydork: I've actually never done it, just want the experience. |
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| 12:02.50 | Petrov | 64 bit better of 32 bit? updates, ... (not speed) |
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| 12:12.07 | z0ltan | Salut j'ai un copain qui s'appelle Malifice et il arrive pas a configurer le wifi WPA sur sa ubuntu |
| 12:12.22 | cydork | !fr |
| 12:12.22 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:12.29 | Borbus | Hi.. I have just installed Webalizer to analyse my apache logs.. it says it only looks at access.log.1... does that mean it won't count new hits until apache writes the current log into access.log.1? |
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| 12:20.58 | supplyanddemand | I need to get some load on my cpu. Any suggestions? |
| 12:21.20 | asg | supplyanddemand: compile a kernel |
| 12:21.21 | cydork | supplyanddemand: install cpuburn? |
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| 12:21.47 | supplyanddemand | Ill take a look at cpu burn. I just want to see how the power usage reatcts to some load. |
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| 12:24.58 | themill | supplyanddemand: visit some flash-heavy java-filled websites that normally does it |
| 12:25.11 | supplyanddemand | Haha, yeah why not. |
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| 12:28.24 | supplyanddemand | Cpu burn worked fine. Thanks. |
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| 12:29.44 | antum | Hi there everyone, how would I add a user to debian that has access to just one directory? Eg: /var/www/site1 |
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| 12:30.21 | valdyn | antum: what is he supposed to do there without access to any program? |
| 12:30.44 | antum | just upload website files... |
| 12:31.15 | asg | antum: try the scponly package |
| 12:31.27 | valdyn | !scponly |
| 12:31.34 | valdyn | !test |
| 12:31.34 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 12:31.52 | antum | ok... I'll see if its on google... Thanks! :) |
| 12:31.57 | Downix | I can't get apt-get to update |
| 12:32.01 | asg | antum: apt-cache show scponly |
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| 12:32.51 | antum | awesome, thats just what I need :) |
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| 12:36.56 | Downix | apt-get keeps timing out |
| 12:37.03 | Downix | this is an old install of sarge |
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| 12:37.37 | Farhadix | how must find size of a folder? |
| 12:37.54 | asg | Farhadix: du -hs /directory |
| 12:38.06 | asg | Downix: try a different mirror |
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| 12:38.29 | Farhadix | asg thanks |
| 12:38.34 | thrashy | Anyone know a CLI ftp client that supports fxp? |
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| 12:39.53 | Downix | ok, connected, says "filed to open file" |
| 12:39.57 | Downix | erm, failed even |
| 12:40.01 | Downix | Hmm |
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| 12:40.48 | Downix | dynamic MMap ran out of room? |
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| 12:41.12 | valdyn | !dynamic mmap ran out of room |
| 12:41.16 | valdyn | !dynamic mmap |
| 12:41.16 | dpkg | it has been said that dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
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| 12:42.18 | majmun | i've got a problem here with perl-scripts. i belive the problem is debian-related since it's about a package, that APT *should* install but it seems that it does not do that correctly. |
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| 12:42.38 | majmun | it's about the perl-package NET:SSH, so that i can open SSH-connections with a perl-script to other servers |
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| 12:43.10 | majmun | usually this requires "use Net::SSH::Perl;" and then e.g. "my $ssh = Net::SSH::Perl->New" |
| 12:43.31 | majmun | sorry; my $ssh = Net::SSH::Perl->new($host); |
| 12:44.10 | majmun | the problem now is that perl claims that it can't find that Net-package, usually one has toinstall it with apt-get install libnet-ssh-perl |
| 12:44.32 | majmun | so libnet-ssh-perl is the package, but it just does not work - i can't open ssh-connections to other servers because perl can't find that Net/SSH-package |
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| 12:45.16 | majmun | so my question now is if anyone knows why that is so and what could i do to correct that problem? as i said: libnet-ssh-perl provides all necessary modules to do that - but after it's install perl can't find the packages |
| 12:45.31 | ringo999 | hi, i have a little network problem. wondering if someone could help me to fix: hostip static 10.77.1.138, gateway: 10.77.1.1, trying to reach target machine 10.48.33.16 with rdesktop. using the same settings on wbox this works. however with debian i can ping the gateway, but not reach the targetmachine |
| 12:46.13 | ringo999 | netmask is 255.255.255.0 |
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| 12:49.58 | jelly | majmun: packages for Perl modules called Foo::Bar::Baz are named libfoo-bar-baz-perl. So if you're trying to use Net::SSH::Perl, try installing libnet-ssh-perl-perl |
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| 12:50.22 | jelly | majmun: sounds like you only installed a package for Net::SSH |
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| 12:51.27 | YouBucky | Evening Guys, My Debian box is connected to my Windows Vita w\s via a Gb switch but I'm experiencing really slow xfere speeds vis samba and SCP. Can I assume seeing its slow through SCP its an issue with the Debian O\S (maybe NIC drivers?) and not samba? |
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| 12:52.35 | Farhadix | how make a tar.bz2 from a folder in cli? |
| 12:52.59 | onyma | YouBucky: have you tried transferring between two debian machines? |
| 12:53.14 | YouBucky | tar czvf filename.tag.gz filetotar |
| 12:53.37 | Downix | YouBucky, It's an issue with Vista more likely. Vista file-access drivers are notoreously slow. |
| 12:54.42 | Downix | yay, apt works again! |
| 12:54.46 | YouBucky | onyma/Downix: Thanks, I havnt tried from any other OS, Ill quickly try using my ESX server but (its ocnnectec by 100mb NIC) |
| 12:54.49 | Downix | I love inheriting old systems..... |
| 12:55.22 | Downix | YouBucky, I had a similar issue between Vista and Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat and Solaris. Eventually I figured it out, it's Vista |
| 12:55.22 | Downix | 8) |
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| 12:56.07 | YouBucky | Downix: Hehehe , unfortunetly slow form a 2K3 box but it is a VM |
| 12:56.40 | YouBucky | Downix: It a spec'd up server but its not the best test unfortunetly |
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| 12:56.47 | Downix | indeed |
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| 12:57.02 | harpal | I want to copy all file except two how to do that? |
| 12:57.38 | harpal | or copy all and then remove that file? |
| 12:57.46 | valdyn | harpal: that's probably easier than learning the general approach |
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| 12:58.21 | YouBucky | Downix: Say its not a Vista issue in this case, any other common or not so common issues relating to slow xfere speeds? |
| 12:58.21 | majmun | jelly: thanks, but there is no libnet-ssh-perl-perl ? |
| 12:58.38 | valdyn | harpal: like rsync --exclude=file1 --exclude=file2 or whatever |
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| 12:59.19 | Downix | YouBucky, None I am aware of |
| 12:59.24 | harpal | valdyn, ok thanx a lot |
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| 12:59.59 | YouBucky | Downix: Just remembered I have XP dual boot on my PC!! i'll reboot! |
| 13:00.05 | YouBucky | Downix: back soon! |
| 13:00.10 | jelly | majmun: use dh-make-perl to create one from CPAN, then |
| 13:00.35 | jelly | !dh-make-perl |
| 13:00.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. Find more information at http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/dh-make-perl.html |
| 13:01.04 | jelly | majmun: basically you install it and do dh-make-perl --cpan --build Your::Module |
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| 13:02.28 | majmun | hm, but is that the "debian-way"? |
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| 13:03.27 | themill | majmun: read that factoid again... ;) |
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| 13:04.23 | FastPutty | i dont get much the snort thing detection intrusion, i can detect intrusion with iptables too, someone could explain to me |
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| 13:07.03 | DexterF | hi |
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| 13:07.40 | Hoxzer | Hello ello |
| 13:07.40 | Great_Justice | Hey dudes! I got an dhcp server. I wish to list all the ips the server had assigned. How do I do it, please? |
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| 13:08.17 | Downix | ok, definately need to update my apt sources |
| 13:08.26 | themill | !wb abrotman |
| 13:08.26 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:08.54 | Fox_1_ | I have project committed in the two different svn servers. now I store the project in two different folders for each SVN server. can I mix them, and for example committed only to one SVN server and if it's needed in to an other svn too? |
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| 13:09.54 | valdyn | Great_Justice: cat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases |
| 13:10.15 | Downix | hmm... trying to find an up to date debian source repository |
| 13:10.23 | Great_Justice | TY valdyn! |
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| 13:10.43 | stew | Downix: dpkg-scanpackages? |
| 13:10.51 | stew | Downix: or what do you mean? |
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| 13:11.02 | themill | Downix: what makes you say the one you are using is not up to date? |
| 13:11.15 | stew | oh, he isn't talking about a repository |
| 13:11.31 | valdyn | ... and up to date sarge repo? |
| 13:11.35 | Downix | themill: the kernel is 2.2.25 |
| 13:11.42 | valdyn | Downix: or did you upgrade by now? |
| 13:11.47 | valdyn | Downix: oh, even older |
| 13:11.58 | Downix | valdyn: won't upgrade, says no such file on the respositories |
| 13:12.26 | valdyn | Downix: you are trying to upgrade to sarge though, are you? |
| 13:12.31 | Downix | connection times out for 4 of them, and no such file on the last one |
| 13:12.37 | Downix | valdyn, It is sarge |
| 13:12.42 | valdyn | Downix: it is not |
| 13:12.42 | stew | Downix: its older than sarge |
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| 13:12.51 | Downix | valdyn, I'd like to get it newer |
| 13:12.51 | valdyn | Downix: sarge does not support 2.2.x kernels |
| 13:13.06 | stew | valdyn: yes it does |
| 13:13.11 | Downix | stew: When I poked, it says it's sarge |
| 13:13.21 | stew | Downix: its a prerelease version |
| 13:13.25 | valdyn | stew: not really |
| 13:13.26 | Downix | likely |
| 13:13.31 | valdyn | stew: i suppose it 'works' with one |
| 13:14.12 | stew | Downix: you should first upgrade it to sarge, can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 13:14.20 | stew | Downix: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 13:14.51 | DexterF | apt-file needs to be updated before 1st run? |
| 13:14.57 | stew | Downix: yes |
| 13:14.57 | valdyn | DexterF: yes |
| 13:15.49 | Downix | stew: know what to change the source.list file to in order to get sarge? (admittedly, I haven't run debian since before sarge) |
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| 13:16.30 | stew | Downix: yes, but i think we should first check to see what you are running now in order to make sure that upgrading to sarge is the right thing for you to do |
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| 13:17.04 | piper69 | i am trying to remove mysql i used apt-get remove --purge mysql-server and then reinstall it , but for some reason it still getting the old config file |
| 13:17.08 | Downix | hold on, logging that machine into IRC now |
| 13:17.09 | abrotman | 2.2.25 isn't sarge |
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| 13:17.17 | valdyn | piper69: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:17.27 | abrotman | piper69: that's a metapackage .. you want mysql-server-5.0 |
| 13:17.31 | valdyn | piper69: additionally your config file might just be from a different package |
| 13:17.55 | stew | piper69: the config file is owned by mysql-common not mysql-server or mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 13:18.16 | stew | piper69: (grep my.cnf /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql*conffiles |
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| 13:18.24 | srid | how do I change www-browser to point to firefox? |
| 13:18.38 | stew | srid: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 13:18.57 | abrotman | stew: you sure? |
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| 13:19.05 | abrotman | about the my.cnf im ean :) |
| 13:19.10 | abrotman | bah .. okay .. bot wins |
| 13:19.21 | stew | abrotman: grep my.cnf /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql*conffiles |
| 13:19.22 | srid | stew: thanks a lot; now how do I make use of this variable in shell scripts? |
| 13:19.29 | srid | or any other program. |
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| 13:19.49 | stew | srid: use /usr/bin/sensible-broser |
| 13:19.56 | srid | thanks |
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| 13:20.11 | valdyn | stew: its a symbolic link, not a variable |
| 13:20.31 | stew | valdyn: yes, the variable is BROWSER |
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| 13:20.58 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. i see |
| 13:21.02 | Downix | oh fun, no cut n paste |
| 13:21.17 | stew | srid: sensible-browser will check the BROWSER environment variable and if it finds none will execut /usr/bin/x-www-browser (which i'm telling you how to change), or if X is not available it will run /usr/bin/www-browser |
| 13:21.19 | themill | srid: you'd normally not use the variable but the alternatives symlinks or sensible-browser script |
| 13:21.41 | themill | srid: yeah. what stew said. |
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| 13:21.52 | Haris | Hello people |
| 13:21.53 | srid | ok.. |
| 13:22.10 | srid | I'm doing this: $ sensible-browser url || firefox url |
| 13:22.18 | Haris | Is there a package for php4 for ImageMagick in sarge or stable? |
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| 13:22.31 | Downix-SPARC | http://paste.lisp.org/display/49025 |
| 13:22.37 | themill | !tell Haris about search |
| 13:22.42 | themill | (again) |
| 13:23.37 | abrotman | why is it magick ? |
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| 13:24.05 | themill | Haris: apt-cache search magick php |
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| 13:24.18 | stew | or "apt-cache search php4 imagemagick" |
| 13:24.43 | themill | stew: you obviously like typing more than me :) |
| 13:25.25 | stew | themill: its was more to demonstrate that he should be able to find stuff like this on his own |
| 13:25.32 | Downix | stew http://paste.lisp.org/display/49025 (just realized I forgot to flag you incase you missed it) |
| 13:25.58 | themill | stew: *nod* ... fishing lessons are just about over. |
| 13:26.05 | stew | Downix-SPARC: yeah, that is a version of sarge from before it released. you should upgrade to sarge. |
| 13:26.30 | Downix | stew: Ok, it's been awhile, so how would I upgrade it? |
| 13:26.37 | stew | Downix so you shouldln't have anything saying "testing" or "unstable" or "stable" in your sources.list, just "sarge" |
| 13:26.42 | stew | Downix: what country are you in? |
| 13:26.49 | Downix | US |
| 13:27.10 | stew | Downix: then change ftp://ftp.debian.org to http://ftp.us.debian.org as well |
| 13:27.26 | abrotman | or a local mirror if you have oen |
| 13:27.38 | themill | Downix: also change the mentions of "stable" to "sarge". |
| 13:27.41 | cirdan | umm |
| 13:27.49 | stew | yeah, looks like he does |
| 13:27.52 | cirdan | why use http to access a ftp server |
| 13:28.00 | stew | cirdan: becuase http is faster than ftp |
| 13:28.06 | stew | cirdan: and it is also an http server |
| 13:28.09 | abrotman | and has way fewer issues |
| 13:28.16 | abrotman | cirdan: ftp.us.debian.org is just a name ... |
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| 13:28.29 | valdyn | !ftpmustdie |
| 13:28.30 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 13:28.31 | cirdan | eh, i like the file transfer protocol for transferring files |
| 13:28.53 | stew | cirdan: yeah, and we are saying that http is a faster file transfering protocol that has fewer problems |
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| 13:29.24 | themill | cirdan: I like vaguely sane protocols that aren't completely braindead and can actually handle network topologies like nat. But that's just me. |
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| 13:29.27 | abrotman | nothing is more fun than trying to use an anonymous ftp debian mirror that has a max anon count :) |
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| 13:29.52 | majmun | nah |
| 13:30.19 | majmun | this just doesn't want to work |
| 13:30.27 | abrotman | i realize an http server could have the same issue .. but it's way less likely |
| 13:30.33 | majmun | i just did as you told me, but perl still can't find the package |
| 13:30.47 | majmun | i tried this here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/78 |
| 13:30.58 | stew | and an http server isn't going to have active/passive issues |
| 13:31.09 | majmun | so i downloaded dh-make-perl and then that package |
| 13:31.37 | majmun | there was a tar, i extracted it, cd into it, debuild - a .deb was there, i installed it and it still does not find the module |
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| 13:32.24 | themill | majmun: can you pastebin the error for us? |
| 13:32.45 | stew | majmun: did you actually run dh-make-perl to create the .deb? |
| 13:32.55 | themill | majmun: and also provide us with some more info... like what the module is and even a script of what you did? |
| 13:33.13 | majmun | this is the error: http://pastebin.ca/733006 |
| 13:33.23 | majmun | stew: i did what that manual said |
| 13:33.35 | majmun | because something with dh- did not work as expected |
| 13:33.36 | Sup3rkiddo | random lockups and reboots are more related to hard disk or RAM?, if so how do i diagnose the problem in debian, smartmontools shows the hard disk is healthy, ran memtest for 1 hour, no problem detected...or is it a software bug? |
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| 13:33.43 | Downix | stew: so just replace unstable/testing/etc with sarge? |
| 13:33.46 | abrotman | Sup3rkiddo: could be either .. |
| 13:33.51 | stew | majmun: aptitude install libnet-ssh-perl-perl |
| 13:33.52 | abrotman | Sup3rkiddo: and you should run memtest overnight |
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| 13:34.02 | abrotman | Sup3rkiddo: could also be overheating |
| 13:34.10 | stew | Downix: yes |
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| 13:34.32 | themill | majmun: It's always worth looking to see if the perl module is in debian already :) |
| 13:34.34 | majmun | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libnet-ssh-perl-perl" |
| 13:34.37 | Downix | yay, it's working! |
| 13:34.39 | Sup3rkiddo | abrotman, oh, lemme install lm_sensors and get back.. |
| 13:34.49 | Downix | Ok, time to let this thing get 3 years worth of updates |
| 13:34.56 | majmun | is there any apt-source which provides that package? i've got the official sources here |
| 13:34.59 | Downix | already impressed with it's performance |
| 13:35.10 | majmun | stew: maybe you could pastebin me your apt-sources-list |
| 13:35.20 | stew | majmun: no, you don't want mine |
| 13:35.30 | stew | majmun: i see, its sid only, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:35.44 | majmun | sorry? |
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| 13:36.16 | majmun | i may take the package of sid of course, to install it here, i've got lenny |
| 13:36.22 | majmun | as far as it won't brake my sys |
| 13:37.25 | majmun | very fine, i installed it, no warnings, everything works :> |
| 13:37.34 | majmun | wow, that's the "debian-way" _i_ want :> |
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| 13:38.24 | Danielss89 | hi, how can i see the internal ip on my machine? |
| 13:38.39 | majmun | bullshit |
| 13:38.48 | majmun | nothing works, there are errors at runtime |
| 13:39.02 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 13:39.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:39.13 | majmun | Can't locate Math/Pari.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ... now what the hell is that |
| 13:39.34 | majmun | math, pari? who? i know petty and sally |
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| 13:39.56 | majmun | sorry, i just lost it ;) |
| 13:39.57 | Haris | stew: themill: ok, putting it before or backwards in apt-cache search makes apt-cache search for *php4* and *imagemagick*? |
| 13:40.11 | Haris | pattersn |
| 13:40.17 | Haris | regex patterns |
| 13:40.26 | themill | Haris: man apt-cache |
| 13:40.33 | Fox_1_ | people from where I must get overridefile for dpkg-scanpackages?? |
| 13:40.52 | majmun | parley voo francais? |
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| 13:41.11 | majmun | i found that french forum-thread here, describing my problem: http://www.developpez.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-346560.html |
| 13:42.40 | Noborusan | can i ask a hardware question for my upcoming debian server here ? |
| 13:42.46 | Haris | What's the option for vi to set nowrap in vi? |
| 13:42.51 | Haris | :set nowrap is not working |
| 13:43.18 | Noborusan | im currently running Pentium D 915 on my debian etch,i checked the cpu is not loading too high, bascially it runs under 10% on the average |
| 13:43.28 | Danielss89 | hi, how can i see the internal ip on my machine? |
| 13:43.29 | aspWork | anyway to get gkrellm to use the theme from gtk or some other monitor that uses the gtk theme that supports snmp? i want to monitor a bunch of servers but hate the look of gkrellm |
| 13:43.35 | Noborusan | so i plan to do the same job for another server i will set it up on |
| 13:43.54 | Downix | ok, I need to upgrade my kernel first it seems |
| 13:43.54 | themill | majmun: did you think to try: dh-make-perl --cpan Math::Pari |
| 13:43.57 | Noborusan | so would you think 2 x opteron 242 will do the job okay ? better or worse ? |
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| 13:44.13 | neuro_damage | hwo do I install one package from lenny(testing), like kzenexplorer? |
| 13:44.20 | neuro_damage | without having to get the whole system in a testing state? |
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| 13:45.06 | themill | neuro_damage: you either need to look for it on backports.org or make a backport yourself |
| 13:45.09 | CrippsFX | I have an Acer orbi-cam (046d:09b0 Logitech, Inc.) that works with the uvcvideo module ... uvc only supports v4l2 ... ekiga supports v4l2 as well, but my camera doesn't support MJPEG video (it does, however, work with "luvcview -yuv" ... I was wondering if anybody knew how to get this camera working under ekiga. |
| 13:45.22 | abrotman | Danielss89: ifconfig -a |
| 13:45.31 | neuro_damage | dpkg, backports |
| 13:45.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat> |
| 13:45.39 | abrotman | neuro_damage: msg the bot |
| 13:45.47 | neuro_damage | abrotman, i'm learning :) |
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| 13:45.51 | abrotman | neuro_damage: /msg dpkg foo |
| 13:45.53 | neuro_damage | about a distro my friend has lol |
| 13:45.55 | majmun | themill: okay, if i do that - what's the next step? |
| 13:45.57 | neuro_damage | abrotman, yeah sorry i'll do pms |
| 13:46.31 | Danielss89 | abrotman its not addr is it? that shows the external ip.. |
| 13:46.41 | majmun | and besides that, isn't there a similar package in sid? i just searched for pari and found http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/pari but i'm not sure which to install since there is no package having *perl* in it's name |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | Danielss89: that shows the machine IP |
| 13:46.48 | Haris | Is there a difference between apt-get installing a package and aptitude doing it? |
| 13:47.17 | Danielss89 | abrotman doesnt it have an internal and an external ip.. ?? if its in a network? |
| 13:47.31 | neuro_damage | decent bot for important things, but how do i request it's topic list? |
| 13:47.37 | weld | hi, after installing nvidia driver, all fonts in kde appear much bigger and bold. with vesa, everythink was displayed correctly. anyone knows what's wrong here? |
| 13:47.40 | liberion | Haris, aptitude removes unused pkg deps along with the package |
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| 13:47.53 | neuro_damage | weld, yeah what wm are you using? |
| 13:48.01 | abrotman | Danielss89: that depends on the machine |
| 13:48.07 | weld | neuro_damage: kwin, kde |
| 13:48.08 | neuro_damage | weld, I think that maybe the fonts are getting drawn correctly now :). |
| 13:48.12 | themill | majmun: build the package.... man dh-make-perl ... dh-make-perl --build --cpan Math::Pari |
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| 13:48.21 | stew | neuro_damage: /msg dpkg help; /msg dpkg listkeys foo ; /msg dpkg listvalues foo ; or /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 13:48.28 | neuro_damage | weld, well just adjust the fonts for your system now? have you changed the resolution |
| 13:48.33 | neuro_damage | stew, cheers |
| 13:48.37 | Danielss89 | well i have 2 machines in a network.. one with apache, and one with mysql.. and i need the mysql's internal ip... |
| 13:49.06 | weld | neuro_damage: i did'nt change resolution. |
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| 13:49.24 | neuro_damage | this is one of those things to program that can be annoying, but bots are way better than wikis :) |
| 13:49.39 | neuro_damage | cause they're automated response after all the trials and tribulations have been figured out in IRC. |
| 13:49.39 | Downix | I think I'll roll my own kernel |
| 13:49.46 | Downix | I haven't done that sincer 2.3.12 |
| 13:49.49 | neuro_damage | wish there was a way to build off that and have bots be queried via a website :). |
| 13:50.11 | stew | neuro_damage: i put one here: http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 13:50.16 | neuro_damage | love backports |
| 13:50.21 | abrotman | Danielss89: okay .. so login to the mysql machine .. and ifconfig -a |
| 13:50.35 | neuro_damage | stew, I mean more like a bot search engine that you can say, ask deb questions etc... |
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| 13:50.46 | neuro_damage | stew, but thats' still cool |
| 13:50.52 | neuro_damage | bot is well done. |
| 13:50.55 | neuro_damage | you build it stew ? |
| 13:51.01 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.25 | neuro_damage | if the server doesn't have a proper key and it fails how can I ignore keys? |
| 13:51.28 | Danielss89 | abrotman^^ if i use that, the servers will send the info over the internet wont they? and not over the internal network.. |
| 13:51.30 | stew | neuro_damage: no, i didn't build the bot, just a few bug fixes and lots of factoids |
| 13:51.37 | neuro_damage | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 13:51.52 | weld | is there a debian tool to reset the xorg.conf? |
| 13:52.00 | abrotman | neuro_damage: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 13:52.01 | stew | neuro_damage: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 13:52.15 | stew | weld: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:52.16 | neuro_damage | that's what I did. |
| 13:52.18 | neuro_damage | doing. |
| 13:52.20 | abrotman | Danielss89: then it should have two IPs |
| 13:52.22 | neuro_damage | apt-get update fails on that error |
| 13:52.24 | Dewio | neuro_damage: the page called instructions has keys |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | neuro_damage: did you run apt-get update ? |
| 13:52.34 | neuro_damage | yeah that's what failed with that error |
| 13:52.37 | Dewio | neuro_damage: did you install them? |
| 13:52.42 | stew | neuro_damage: the call to apt-key add was successful? |
| 13:52.44 | Downix | it looks like I cannot upgrade the SPARC without a newer kernel |
| 13:52.48 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | hi, i installed debian with a netinstall cd, now i downloaded the complete cdrom how do i add the cd rom to the sources.list now... in the current sources.list there's something like NETINST ..whats the right word for the complete cdrom? |
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| 13:52.59 | weld | stew: thanks |
| 13:53.00 | Downix | I'm worried about getting the right parts installed for the system |
| 13:53.00 | neuro_damage | stew, that's not on the instructions? |
| 13:53.08 | Danielss89 | abrotman i get this: http://pastebin.ca/733029 |
| 13:53.09 | neuro_damage | apt-key add? |
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| 13:53.11 | stew | neuro_damage: yes it is |
| 13:53.24 | Noborusan | hmmm |
| 13:53.24 | neuro_damage | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 13:53.31 | stew | neuro_damage: yes, read those instructions |
| 13:53.32 | Noborusan | hi stew,how are you ? |
| 13:53.33 | neuro_damage | I mean i'm on the web page right now |
| 13:53.34 | Dewio | neuro_damage: yes all 3 of us are looking at it |
| 13:53.42 | Dewio | neuro_damage: we can all see instructions for installing a key |
| 13:53.43 | stew | Noborusan: ok, though i woke up thinking it was friday |
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| 13:54.07 | neuro_damage | oh pfffff... |
| 13:54.11 | neuro_damage | it's the last instruction on the page |
| 13:54.11 | surviver | anyone can help me out here?, iam trying to run a server with apache2 intern all works fine, i can see pages ... but when i type from another pc my externip i get unable to connect |
| 13:54.15 | neuro_damage | wtf man, wtf. |
| 13:54.18 | Noborusan | stew, would you think 2 x opteron 242 will beat pentium D 915 on debian ? |
| 13:54.23 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | hi, i installed debian with a netinstall cd, now i downloaded the complete cdrom how do i add the cd rom to the sources.list now... in the current sources.list there's something like NETINST ..whats the right word for the complete cdrom? |
| 13:54.36 | Noborusan | or,my last option will be xeon 3210,but this one is really expensive. |
| 13:54.38 | stew | Noborusan: i'm not the guy to ask, i don't really know what a pentium D is. ask #hardware |
| 13:54.52 | themill | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: apt-cdrom |
| 13:54.57 | sebi | hrm, there seems to be a problem with downloading several packages from _all_ debian mirrors with a 404 error while creating a local debian mirror with debmirror. |
| 13:55.09 | Noborusan | stew, because my current pd 915 runs smoothly on my debian etch,i need another server though,do the same job. |
| 13:55.13 | neuro_damage | 1. should be build a key, 2. add etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:55.14 | neuro_damage | heh |
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| 13:55.34 | Noborusan | i can't find an answer on #hardware on efnet so i came to here |
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| 13:55.59 | sebi | one sample for this can be seen here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/loop-aes-modules-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
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| 13:56.33 | themill | sebi: It might be that your packages list is out of date. the -5- kernels not -4- kernels are now current. |
| 13:56.38 | bahadunn | anyone know what happened to libapache2-mod-layout in etch? |
| 13:56.48 | bahadunn | it is not there anymore it seems |
| 13:57.01 | abrotman | sebi: kernel is up to -5- |
| 13:57.11 | sebi | themill: why is it still in the packages-file on the mirrors then? |
| 13:57.13 | stew | sebi: i woldnt' be suprised if the -4 kenrel modules went away after r1 came out |
| 13:58.01 | sebi | i erased the packages file and reloaded it completely from the mirror, so it should be up to date |
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| 13:59.14 | ee99ee | hello. I'm trying to update libc on an old Woody system so I can install snmpd |
| 13:59.22 | ee99ee | in doing so, I am getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/m1569d4dc |
| 13:59.26 | Downix | ok, kernel won't respond to make xconfig config or menuconfig |
| 13:59.28 | ee99ee | could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 13:59.36 | stew | sebi: try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors |
| 13:59.45 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | can i extract the date of a cdrom and add the folder to the sources.liste? |
| 13:59.47 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | list? |
| 14:00.09 | sebi | stew: thanks i'll follow that path |
| 14:00.09 | themill | ee99ee: you can't just pull in a single package like that from etch. If you want things from etch, then you'll have to upgrade to etch. |
| 14:00.26 | ee99ee | themill: well, it's not just one package; but it's the one that is failing during the upgrade |
| 14:00.49 | stew | ee99ee: you cannot try to upgrade to etch and skip sarge, you must first upgrade to sarge then to etch |
| 14:01.00 | ee99ee | oh I see |
| 14:01.07 | stew | ee99ee: and you REALLY shouldn't be messing with libc6/glibc as it is the most fundamental library on the sistem |
| 14:01.08 | ee99ee | I guess a better question is how do I get packages from woody? |
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| 14:01.20 | stew | ee99ee: woody is no longer supported, you should upgrade to sarge |
| 14:01.26 | themill | ee99ee: /msg dpkg woody->sarge and /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:01.35 | ee99ee | thanks |
| 14:01.41 | Downix | hmm |
| 14:01.54 | Downix | alternatively, how to I download/install the kernel? (it's been far too long) |
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| 14:02.17 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | can i extract the date of a cdrom and add the folder to the sources.list? |
| 14:02.22 | stew | Downix: what cpu do you have? |
| 14:02.23 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | can i extract the data of a cdrom and add the folder to the sources.list? |
| 14:02.25 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | data i mean |
| 14:02.29 | Noborusan | stew, sure |
| 14:02.36 | Downix | stew: twin HyperSPARC 150's |
| 14:03.05 | stew | Downix: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-sparc |
| 14:03.24 | stew | err, you need that to be sparc32 or sparc64 i guess |
| 14:03.28 | themill | bahadunn: http://bugs.debian.org/392229 |
| 14:03.47 | Downix | sparc32 |
| 14:03.48 | Danielss89 | abrotman i get this: http://pastebin.ca/733029 |
| 14:03.51 | Downix | ok, that worked |
| 14:03.54 | Downix | man I feel rusty |
| 14:04.10 | abrotman | Danielss89: so that's your IP . the 89.x.x.x number |
| 14:04.21 | abrotman | Danielss89: 16Tb .. not bad! |
| 14:04.29 | Danielss89 | what is that? |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | that's how much it has transferred |
| 14:04.42 | Danielss89 | oh |
| 14:04.52 | Danielss89 | hehe yeah.. |
| 14:04.56 | abrotman | RX bytes:8823986782307 (8.0 TiB) TX bytes:18317827697614 (16.6 TiB) |
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| 14:05.32 | Danielss89 | i have both apache and mysql on that right now.. so im moving apache to another server... |
| 14:05.49 | Danielss89 | for performance |
| 14:06.11 | Downix | Danielss89, good move. Did that for our servers saved us a lot of headache |
| 14:06.16 | Danielss89 | nice.. |
| 14:06.24 | bahadunn | themill: yes I see that |
| 14:06.34 | bahadunn | themill: I wonder if there is any replacement |
| 14:06.50 | Danielss89 | so, when connecting from apache to mysql from my php script.. i should use the internal ip, for the most performance right? |
| 14:07.09 | Danielss89 | so it doesnt send the data over the internet.. |
| 14:07.11 | Downix | Danielss89, What I found funny was that a pair of sub-$100 used machines were running circles around our big brand-new $3000 Xeon server. |
| 14:07.12 | Downix | right |
| 14:07.15 | stew | Danielss89: no, you should use a socket |
| 14:07.19 | Downix | a socket |
| 14:07.29 | Downix | ok, stew's on it |
| 14:07.30 | Downix | 8) |
| 14:07.51 | Danielss89 | ok, that was new :P |
| 14:08.01 | Danielss89 | i think i have to read a bit about that then.. |
| 14:08.13 | Downix | rebooting |
| 14:08.19 | Downix | my sparc, that is |
| 14:08.37 | Danielss89 | any good links? |
| 14:08.40 | stew | Danielss89: http://php.net/mysql_connect |
| 14:08.42 | Danielss89 | maybe a how to... |
| 14:08.44 | Danielss89 | oh |
| 14:08.54 | stew | Danielss89: you should have a socket file in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 14:09.03 | Danielss89 | yeah |
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| 14:10.47 | Danielss89 | ok, so i have to set the path to that socket right? |
| 14:10.56 | Danielss89 | when i connect from my php script |
| 14:11.44 | ee99ee | Danielss89: no, only if you put the socket file in a weird place that the MySQL client doesn't know about |
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| 14:12.03 | Danielss89 | uhm.. |
| 14:12.33 | Danielss89 | but i still dont get why the external and internal ip is the same.. |
| 14:12.44 | Danielss89 | actually i dont get anything right now :P |
| 14:13.00 | themill | Danielss89: from that page: just specify "localhost" and mysql will use the socket. |
| 14:13.14 | Danielss89 | but its two differnt servers? |
| 14:13.15 | shufla | hello. I've got quite nice machine with opteron 265. right now I've got x86_64 system installed. I'd like to know if there is any guide which will answer my question: having in mind some problems with x86_64 app compatilbility, how much I loose if I use x86_32 on x86_64 system? |
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| 14:13.41 | shufla | or - is there 100% sure to have x86_64 system, which will run all apps (w/o chrooting) which need x86_32? |
| 14:14.00 | themill | Danielss89: well, you're talking about combining them and wanted to know if you would still use TCP/IP once they were on the same server, weren't you? |
| 14:14.04 | Danielss89 | themill so if i specify localhost, wouldnt it try to connect on its own machine then.. |
| 14:14.19 | Danielss89 | no:D the opposite.. theyre on the same server right now.. |
| 14:14.26 | Danielss89 | and i want to move them apart :D |
| 14:14.32 | themill | Danielss89: ahh... ignore me then.... |
| 14:14.35 | Danielss89 | hehe |
| 14:14.54 | Danielss89 | stew what am i supposed to do with that socket :D |
| 14:15.05 | stew | Danielss89: you shouldn't have to do anything afaik |
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| 14:15.40 | Danielss89 | but i still need an adress to connect to stew |
| 14:15.46 | valdyn | shufla: you loose something between 0% and 50% of current speed. there's no way to tell. |
| 14:15.55 | themill | Danielss89: hang on... you won't be able to use the socket if you have the server and client on different machines |
| 14:15.59 | valdyn | shufla: ..except by measuring naturally |
| 14:16.09 | valdyn | shufla: common different is hardly noticable |
| 14:16.14 | valdyn | shufla: common difference is hardly noticable |
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| 14:16.32 | shufla | valdyn: understood. this system will provide mysql databased and zope app for ERP system for company. |
| 14:16.44 | Danielss89 | themill shouldnt i just use the internal ip adress? |
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| 14:17.09 | valdyn | shufla: if you really care you need to install both and benchmark that |
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| 14:17.19 | valdyn | shufla: there's alot of factors |
| 14:17.33 | Downix | hmm |
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| 14:17.46 | Downix | and for fun, X won't start, and there's no console |
| 14:17.47 | shufla | valdyn: hm. I see I'll have to read more about running 32bit apps in 64bit (x86) env. |
| 14:17.49 | Downix | let me ssh in |
| 14:17.55 | themill | Danielss89: Well, I can only speak for myself, but I think we're *all* confused now. Can you please start again with what you currently have, what you are trying to do and a description of your network setup ("internal", "external"). |
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| 14:18.26 | themill | Danielss89: (or just ask stew... he seems to be following what you're saying better than I am!) |
| 14:18.26 | valdyn | shufla: and when you ram is close to not enough then x86_64 might even be slower |
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| 14:18.46 | shufla | valdyn: then we will buy more RAM. |
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| 14:19.03 | shufla | valdyn: I'd like to have both servers alomst same - it will ease administration :D |
| 14:19.30 | valdyn | shufla: you should read if you hit a size limit where you'd benefit from 64-bit mysql |
| 14:19.35 | Danielss89 | okey, right now i have one server, with apache and mysql, but theres to much load, so i have bought a new server, at the same webhost on the same network, and i move apache to this new server... so now i just need the ip adress i should connect to in my php scripts.. |
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| 14:19.41 | Danielss89 | themill ^^ |
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| 14:20.00 | valdyn | shufla: on a small system 64-bit gives you nothing |
| 14:20.06 | valdyn | shufla: or about that |
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| 14:20.13 | Danielss89 | abrotman how do i see my external ip then :P |
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| 14:20.48 | shufla | valdyn: it won't be small system. I'll stay with 64, but gain more knowledge (I need to convert from dapper to etch) |
| 14:21.52 | themill | Danielss89: ok. you can't use the socket method to connect to mysql if you are running across two separate machines. You'll need the ipaddr as you have already realised. If you ssh onto the mysql server and run ifconfig -a it will show all the IP addrs on that machine. |
| 14:22.10 | themill | Danielss89: You'll need to explain to us what you mean by internal/external still. |
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| 14:22.25 | shufla | biarch it is what I shall look for, to have 32 and 64 bit apps on same system? |
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| 14:22.48 | Danielss89 | well by internal i mean on the network between the servers and external is out though the internet and then back to the server.. |
| 14:23.39 | Danielss89 | themill like my homenetwork(im runnging windows) my computers have some internal ips (192.168.1.xx |
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| 14:23.59 | Danielss89 | and a external 89.xxx..x.x.x the one you get when you /whois me |
| 14:23.59 | valdyn | shufla: debians amd64 kernels support running 32-bit apps, then there's a few support libraries in 32-bit, like libc6. Beyond that you just cant use debian package management, unless you use a chroot environment |
| 14:24.20 | abrotman | Danielss89: that is your external |
| 14:24.45 | Danielss89 | but its also my internal? |
| 14:24.52 | shufla | valdyn: hm. but something like python32-bit-in-64 is avaiable? psyco is no av. for 64bit, and it is quite powerful within zope. |
| 14:25.34 | valdyn | shufla: i doubt that is packaged |
| 14:25.58 | themill | Danielss89: what does ifconfig -a show you on the outwards-facing machine? |
| 14:26.04 | shufla | valdyn: chrooting do not provide to much of overhead? |
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| 14:26.19 | neuro_damage | abrotman, so there is still the problem I can't install kzenexplorer |
| 14:26.21 | valdyn | shufla: it doesnt provide any overhead |
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| 14:26.34 | Danielss89 | outwards... the one with apache or mysql :P themill ? |
| 14:26.40 | shufla | git. no more questions. thanks for keywords, not it is time to read some docs :) |
| 14:26.41 | shufla | bye |
| 14:27.06 | valdyn | shufla: mixing 32/64 bit apps always has the overhead of having to load libraries once in 32-bit and once in 64 bit, chroot does not add anything to that |
| 14:27.24 | Danielss89 | themill on the one with mysql it is this: http://pastebin.ca/733029 |
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| 14:28.33 | themill | Danielss89: well... you need to do a couple of things: you need to look at the machine that *should* be on the internet (i.e. the web server) as well as the machine that should only be on your private network (i.e. the mysql server). From what you just showed me, the mysql server is sitting on the internet and not on your internal network. |
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| 14:30.03 | Danielss89 | both of them are on the internet themill... so i could just use their external ip to get the data between the mysql server and apache2 server... but thats stupid, becouse its slower, and uses bandwith.. |
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| 14:30.25 | Danielss89 | so i need to connect them internal right i think themill |
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| 14:31.00 | valdyn | Danielss89: why would each of your servers have a seperate link to the internet? |
| 14:31.07 | valdyn | Danielss89: that so does not make sense |
| 14:31.10 | themill | Danielss89: If ifconfig -a is only showing what you pastebinned, then it's not on any separate internal network at all. |
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| 14:31.29 | Downix | ok, new kernel, won't reboot |
| 14:31.37 | Downix | it boots to the login, but never to x |
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| 14:31.48 | Downix | (man I hate auto-boot-to-x) |
| 14:31.50 | valdyn | Danielss89: seperate public ip, sure, but that doesn't mean that you have to cross the internet for each communication on those public ips internally |
| 14:32.17 | neuro_damage | that's a cute little bot lol |
| 14:32.31 | stew | Downix: what happens when you run "startx"? "no core pointer"? |
| 14:32.49 | Danielss89 | valdyn so if i use the public ip it will now itselfs that the server is on the same network, and not go over the internet.. |
| 14:32.49 | Downix | stew: I don't get to that point. It loads up gdm, I login, then blank screen |
| 14:32.59 | stew | Downix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:33.01 | valdyn | Danielss89: ask your network admin |
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| 14:33.06 | Downix | stew: and being a SPARC I can't switch to a console |
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| 14:33.18 | Danielss89 | themill.. then it's not on any separate internal network at all. <-- theyre not on the same network? |
| 14:33.19 | valdyn | Danielss89: im just saying that a setup doing that would be silly and extremely expensive |
| 14:33.22 | Danielss89 | or what do you mean.. |
| 14:33.31 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i installed exim4 with courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl, but mail doesn't arrive somehow.. what could be the problem? |
| 14:33.35 | Danielss89 | valdyn why would it be expensive? |
| 14:33.36 | stew | Downix: boot to single user mode then, and from single user mode run the above command or /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:33.53 | dippo | hi. I seem to remember a tool/utility for debian that would automate "phpize; ./configure; make; make install" for a php5 module not included as a package, and wrap it in a debian package much like dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:33.55 | Downix | stew: never learned how to boot silo to single-user |
| 14:33.59 | dippo | does anyone know if such a thing exists? am I crazy? |
| 14:34.13 | stew | Downix: add "single" to the kernel command line |
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| 14:34.32 | valdyn | Danielss89: because ordering one line for each computer is way more expensive than paying for one large physical pipe that is shared |
| 14:34.49 | stew | Downix: many boot loaders would create a separate single user alternative for a kernel as well, but i don't know what boot loader you are using |
| 14:35.01 | Danielss89 | hmm :D i dont now valdyn, i just bought 2 servers :D |
| 14:35.07 | neuro_damage | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready, know how to fix this anyone |
| 14:35.29 | valdyn | Danielss89: at the same hoster? |
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| 14:35.32 | valdyn | Danielss89: at home? |
| 14:35.49 | Downix | stew: using SILO |
| 14:36.00 | stew | Downix: yeah, i'm not familiar with it |
| 14:36.08 | valdyn | Danielss89: best you ask the admin responsible for that |
| 14:36.19 | Downix | stew: me either. Grub's spoiled me |
| 14:36.31 | Danielss89 | valdyn yes at the same hoster |
| 14:36.37 | Danielss89 | i will ask him :) |
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| 14:36.57 | stew | Downix: in any case, there should be a way to add "single" to the kernel command line, in lilo you'd do it by holding the shift key as it boots |
| 14:37.07 | valdyn | Danielss89: impossible that that hoster has 1000 pipes where he could have 1 huge pipe |
| 14:37.26 | stew | valdyn: i got two servers at the same hosting provider and the servers are not even in the same town |
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| 14:37.46 | Risjh | !lenny |
| 14:37.46 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
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| 14:37.55 | valdyn | stew: right, but in that case he wouldnt have a choice |
| 14:38.04 | Risjh | !etch->lenny |
| 14:38.04 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 14:38.08 | stew | oh he is saying he did this by choice? |
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| 14:39.53 | Downix | with all of these problems maybe I should do a clean install |
| 14:39.59 | kittonian | hi all, no one is around in the #proftpd room so I thought perhaps one of you might be able to shed some light onto this issue. I can login to ftp accounts without issue from inside the LAN but people from outside the LAN are getting a message saying the login is incorrect. We are using NSS-switch and all the users/passwords are stored in the database but it all works without issue. In fact I can go to a terminal anywhere in the w |
| 14:39.59 | kittonian | orld and login via ssh just fine. |
| 14:40.30 | valdyn | stew: he's connecting 2 hosted servers. I was pointing out that if he connects those 2 using the public ips, his provider will not route that physically over the internet, if its physically avoidable |
| 14:40.41 | Downix | ok, can't do that |
| 14:40.48 | Downix | debian dropped my CPU in july |
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| 14:41.00 | simon | kittonian, are you sure they're connecting to the right server? |
| 14:41.07 | dippo | ~/window kill |
| 14:41.10 | stew | Danielss89: can you run "traceroute serverip2" from server1 and pastebin the results? |
| 14:41.23 | kittonian | simon, yes, they are connecting to the same address i am (name, not ip) |
| 14:41.32 | simon | kittonian, your message got chopped at "In fact I can go to a terminal anywhere in the w..." |
| 14:41.53 | jduggan | simon: read the line below |
| 14:41.53 | Danielss89 | stew which package should i install to get traceroute? |
| 14:41.54 | kittonian | simon, that should've read anywhere in the world and login via SSH. |
| 14:42.06 | stew | Danielss89: traceroute |
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| 14:42.19 | Danielss89 | whoops.. i wrote traceroot :D |
| 14:42.22 | simon | kittonian, but is it the same server? I mean, NAT-forwarding can have all sorts of side effects. you could be connecting to something else, which would make a good reason for why your logins are not working. |
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| 14:42.39 | Downix | and for fun, my two CPU's like to argue with each other |
| 14:42.41 | kittonian | simon, there's only one server and the NAT forwarding is correct |
| 14:42.51 | Downix | I keep getting "device locked" errors |
| 14:43.08 | Danielss89 | stew: traceroute: raw socket: Operation not permitted |
| 14:43.28 | simon | kittonian, do you get any error messages? |
| 14:43.41 | stew | Danielss89: try it as root |
| 14:43.48 | Danielss89 | i am root.. |
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| 14:44.06 | stew | Danielss89: try traceroute -I |
| 14:44.06 | Danielss89 | well im logged in as me and then did "su" |
| 14:44.18 | stew | (probably needs raw sockets too) |
| 14:44.30 | Danielss89 | yes same output |
| 14:44.54 | stew | i don't know what might be preventing raw socket acess |
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| 14:45.18 | Danielss89 | weird.. i have to drive my brother to football.. i will be back in 30 minutes.. |
| 14:45.30 | stew | Danielss89: can you show us the output of "route -n" from both servers? |
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| 14:49.01 | predder` | I'm having trouble booting my system - slash resides on a raid device however, the initrd does not construct the md's before it tries to mount slash |
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| 14:49.47 | predder` | I thought perhaps it was not loading the correct modules however, I have specified them all in the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and re-constructed the initrd, I can verify from the output that the modules *are* indeed loaded |
| 14:49.57 | predder` | however the md's are never constructed |
| 14:50.28 | Downix | this is rediculous |
| 14:50.31 | valdyn | predder`: how did you create that setup? |
| 14:50.31 | Downix | I can't get it to boot |
| 14:50.35 | surviver | anyone can help me ? iam trying to run a server intern all works fine , but when i use a proxy to test i get this message from firefox back " firefox has noticed that the server the request for this adress links on a manar that will never and" or that would be my best english translation :p, anyone know what i do wrong ... i mabye thought i need to load some additional modules... |
| 14:50.54 | stew | Downix: boot your previously working kernel and disable/uninstall the DM |
| 14:50.57 | surviver | never end"* |
| 14:51.10 | Downix | stew: tried that, it doesn't see the hd anymore |
| 14:51.31 | stew | Downix: what do you men? |
| 14:51.33 | stew | mean? |
| 14:52.06 | Downix | stew: somehow the SCSI controller is missing from the kernel. I wonder if somehow the vmlinuz's got swapped around |
| 14:52.18 | Downix | if so, I'll just compile one |
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| 14:52.58 | stew | Downix: perhaps you bootloader forgot that your old kernel needs an initrd |
| 14:53.03 | predder` | valdyn, how did I create the initrd? |
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| 14:53.27 | valdyn | predder`: the whole setup |
| 14:53.28 | predder` | my system was previously running off a single drive, I'm trying to migrate to a mirror. So I can boot the system with the old drive |
| 14:53.31 | Downix | stew: quite possible. It pauses for a long time at "configuring network interfaces..." during bootup I noticed |
| 14:53.39 | predder` | however, i've copied the data into the new raid devices |
| 14:54.02 | stew | Downix: if it is configuring network interfaces, the it must have mounted the / partition since the network configuration is in /etc/ |
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| 14:54.14 | valdyn | predder`: mdadm.conf is setup properly? |
| 14:54.18 | Downix | yes, but that's with the new kernel |
| 14:54.32 | stew | Downix: did you try single user mode? |
| 14:54.34 | Downix | wait a second |
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| 14:54.39 | Downix | I think I see the issue |
| 14:54.46 | Downix | there are 3 kernels in here |
| 14:54.53 | Downix | but silo only sees 2 of them |
| 14:54.57 | stew | Downix: there is a good chance that eth0 and eth1 will be switching places |
| 14:55.04 | Risjh | !etch->lenny |
| 14:55.04 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 14:55.07 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | now gdm starts xfce but not gnome : |
| 14:55.08 | predder` | valdyn: yes, when I boot the old drive all the arrays are automatically constructed from the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file which is duplicated on the new system |
| 14:55.09 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | lololol |
| 14:55.11 | stew | Downix: (which could trip up network configuration) |
| 14:55.23 | Risjh | !apt-listbugs |
| 14:55.23 | dpkg | apt-listbugs (apt-get install apt-listbugs) is available since atleast Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). |
| 14:55.34 | predder` | will mkinitrd use the current fstab? because that's obviously going to be different |
| 14:55.58 | Downix | and of course the guy's only editor is vim.... |
| 14:56.19 | stew | predder`: you shouldn't use mkinitrd with kernels newer than 2.6.13, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools |
| 14:56.33 | stew | Downix: ed should always be available |
| 14:56.46 | Downix | stew: never actually used ed |
| 14:56.52 | Downix | I always used pico or joe |
| 14:56.52 | stew | Downix: i don't recommend starting now |
| 14:57.08 | Downix | once in awhile emacs |
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| 14:57.59 | predder` | stew: my mistake, I am using mkinitramfs |
| 14:58.07 | tarzeau | are there any snowballz players? |
| 14:58.21 | predder` | so, will tha read the current fstab during its initrd construction? |
| 14:58.30 | valdyn | predder`: sure |
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| 15:01.12 | predder` | okay, well since the contents of that has changed perhaps that's what I need to rectify |
| 15:01.14 | Downix | ok, have it in single-user the older kernel |
| 15:01.24 | stew | Downix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:01.35 | stew | Downix: oh |
| 15:01.50 | stew | Downix: if you have it in the older kernel i recommend disabling the DM for now |
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| 15:01.59 | Downix | when I try dhclient I get an error that Protocol not available - make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are defined in your kernel configuration |
| 15:02.00 | Downix | DM? |
| 15:02.06 | Risjh | !sid |
| 15:02.06 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq> |
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| 15:02.22 | Risjh | !lenny |
| 15:02.23 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 15:02.40 | Risjh | !unstable |
| 15:02.40 | dpkg | [unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 15:02.43 | stew | Downix: the DM is the display manager which is the thing that is starting X at boot: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 15:02.46 | stew | Risjh: please /msg the bot |
| 15:02.53 | Risjh | ok sorry stew |
| 15:02.56 | Risjh | and thanks :) |
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| 15:04.04 | Downix | stew: know what the problem with the CONFIG_PACKER and CONFIG_FILTER are? |
| 15:04.07 | thiagomz | hi folks |
| 15:04.12 | timmie | hi |
| 15:04.50 | thiagomz | I need access a VPN using my debian.. anybody here has a how to ? |
| 15:05.10 | azeem | thiagomz: network-manager can do that with a plugin, e.g., at least for vpnc/cisco |
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| 15:05.43 | thiagomz | azeem, tkz.. i will make a research about this packages... |
| 15:05.46 | Braindead | thiagomz: "VPN" is a rather generic definition |
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| 15:05.49 | thiagomz | sorry my english |
| 15:06.15 | thiagomz | Braindead, i need access a vnp like on windows... |
| 15:06.25 | thiagomz | no secrets |
| 15:06.27 | timmie | thiagomz: go into the corner! |
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| 15:07.03 | azeem | timmie: what? |
| 15:08.08 | fuzzy_logic | i am trying to install webmin.. i installed it in the first place, that was a wrong one so i removed it with apt-get, now i want to install some other version, but i get the error that port 10000 is already in use |
| 15:08.15 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help me plz? |
| 15:08.37 | azeem | !webmin |
| 15:08.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 15:08.47 | theatro | lol... |
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| 15:09.15 | theatro | fuzzy_logic, kill the running process of webmin |
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| 15:09.35 | fuzzy_logic | theatro: with init.d? |
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| 15:09.51 | theatro | fuzzy_logic, If you remove it with apt-get the init script is gone |
| 15:10.05 | fuzzy_logic | theatro: well.. i did remove it with apt-get |
| 15:10.06 | theatro | you have to kill it, with kill |
| 15:11.21 | Braindead | thiagomz: "like on windows" so we can *suppose* it usess PPTP. or maybe L2TP. who knows? it's not a matter of "a secret" but more of "what protocol?" |
| 15:11.53 | fuzzy_logic | theatro: "-bash: kill: webmin: arguments must be process or job IDs" |
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| 15:12.15 | azeem | fuzzy_logic: read the kill manpage, or killall manpage |
| 15:12.36 | Downix | stew: Ok, I got it. The 2.6 kernel lacks the SCSI controller needed to boot. The 2.2.24 kernel lacks the right config for dhcp, so restoring the 2.2.25 kernel |
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| 15:13.45 | thiagomz | Braindead, ok, do you ref same reference ? |
| 15:13.56 | stew | Downix: do you need dhcp? |
| 15:13.57 | caneca | |
| 15:13.57 | caneca | Somebody uses LINUX Kurumin here |
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| 15:14.06 | stew | caneca: try #kurumin |
| 15:14.18 | ZeNN | using ntpdate to synchronize the time on two linux machines.. one machine runs two hours behind the other (which displays) the time correctly ? what could that be ? |
| 15:14.47 | sn0 | !exim4 |
| 15:14.47 | dpkg | exim4 is probably the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:15.30 | Braindead | thiagomz: you should really ask your sysadmin the details about how that VPN is implemented. "like on windows" doesn't mean anything, you've got to be specific, it could be *anything* |
| 15:16.12 | Danielss89 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/733118 |
| 15:16.13 | theatro | ZeNN, I am not sure, just an idea, check what hwclock does, and if it applies to you |
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| 15:16.39 | Downix | stew: I suppose I don't. |
| 15:17.37 | thiagomz | Braindead, ok, tkz... i will try |
| 15:17.42 | stew | Danielss89: they have two subnets in common, so they would talk to eachother directly when using any ip address in 217.116.232.192/26 or 89.186.169.0/24 |
| 15:18.29 | Danielss89 | theyre adresses is: 89.186.169.212 and 89.186.169.112 <-- so theyre not in that range |
| 15:19.02 | Danielss89 | their* |
| 15:19.15 | stew | Danielss89: yes they both are |
| 15:19.17 | predder` | How can I force an md device to construct in the initrd before the system trys to mount slash |
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| 15:19.35 | Danielss89 | stew the end isnd between 0 and 24 ? |
| 15:19.37 | stew | Danielss89: 89.186.169.0/24 is 89.186.169.0 -> 89.186.169.255 |
| 15:19.46 | predder` | at present, the system hangs on "waiting for root filesystem" for a while, then drops me to a busybox shell. From there I can construct the md in question no problems |
| 15:19.47 | Danielss89 | oh |
| 15:19.51 | Danielss89 | okey stew :D |
| 15:20.30 | ZeNN | theatro: checked that, and indeed the one is set to CEST and the other to CDT |
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| 15:20.50 | doub_ | predder`: look at the scripts in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/ and man mkinitramfs |
| 15:20.50 | Danielss89 | thx stew.. |
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| 15:21.25 | predder` | thanks doub_, will do |
| 15:21.54 | NelsonM | what's the best way to copy data off a failing disk? It mounts but starts throwing errors in 10 minutes. |
| 15:22.05 | NelsonM | rsync and hope for the best? dd and loopback? |
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| 15:22.54 | doub_ | NelsonM: maybe dd conv=noerror |
| 15:22.56 | szachista | NelsonFx: have you tried fscheck it? |
| 15:23.05 | stray | There's a thing called ddrescue, but I haven't tried it.. |
| 15:23.22 | doub_ | NelsonM: if your disk is physically damaged, that is, otherwise fsck might be your friend (or not) |
| 15:23.30 | NelsonM | it's a hardware failure, szachista. makes clicky noises and the device driver resets |
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| 15:23.50 | NelsonM | I was going to dd the raw disk (/dev/hdb) but it seems mounting the partitions via loopback is complicated? |
| 15:23.54 | szachista | NelsonFx: ohh... that must err... interesting ;) |
| 15:24.19 | NelsonM | fortunately I have a backup. Todo today: mail the rsnapshot author $20 |
| 15:24.33 | szachista | NelsonM: you could use some specialised livecd distros, like R.I.P (recovery is possible) |
| 15:24.48 | Downix | ok, it's locking up still at Configuring network interfaces |
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| 15:26.40 | doub_ | Downix: seems like it's trying dhcp in vain. maybe disable dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:26.54 | Downix | doub_: can't get in to do that |
| 15:27.35 | Downix | trying single again |
| 15:27.37 | doub_ | Downix: it should eventually fail after a little while |
| 15:28.04 | Downix | doub_: 15 minutes right now |
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| 15:28.30 | doub_ | Downix: you can boot with 'init=/bin/sh' kernel parameter to bypass init entierly |
| 15:28.43 | doub_ | Downix: and fix whatever has to |
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| 15:29.19 | Downix | ah, good thinking, tyvm |
| 15:29.25 | surviver | anyone can help me? iam tryin to run a server with apache2 when i try local all works fine but when i try with external ip it stops working and they get back "time out" i forwarded the port right ... |
| 15:29.36 | Downix | And I'm doing all this to try and save a debian install that's an antique.... |
| 15:29.42 | Downix | that has nothing on it |
| 15:30.41 | doub_ | Downix: huh, "if it breaks, you can keep both pieces" |
| 15:31.00 | Downix | doub_: I just ment I could do a fresh install, if I can find a floppy disk to install from |
| 15:32.22 | Downix | heh, I could do an install of NT4 for laughs |
| 15:32.24 | Downix | 8) |
| 15:32.49 | doub_ | Downix: floppy? why not cd? or net install? |
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| 15:33.08 | Downix | doub_: no CD drive. Never done a net install that didn't involve a boot floppy |
| 15:33.41 | Downix | ok, I'm in single user mode again, and back to the original problem, um... how do I edit when the only editor on the system is vim, and I don't know vim |
| 15:33.43 | doub_ | Downix: well, you lack a floppy disk or a floppy drive? |
| 15:33.54 | NelsonM | learn vim :-) |
| 15:34.02 | NelsonM | is there no pico? |
| 15:34.08 | Ronin | or install another editor? |
| 15:34.09 | doub_ | Downix: same as NelsonM ;) |
| 15:34.12 | Downix | doub_ the disk |
| 15:34.22 | Downix | ronin: no network, no way to install another editor |
| 15:34.36 | Downix | wait, it has pico! |
| 15:34.49 | Downix | ok, editing the network |
| 15:34.52 | Downix | and silo |
| 15:34.52 | NelsonM | <3 pico |
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| 15:35.02 | NelsonM | for future reference: an article on using dd to recover failing disks. http://www.debianadmin.com/recover-data-from-a-dead-hard-drive-using-dd.html |
| 15:35.14 | doub_ | Downix: you can also cat <<EOF > file |
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| 15:35.36 | doub_ | Downix: not that a good interface, but help |
| 15:35.43 | doub_ | helps* even |
| 15:35.52 | NelsonM | pico: the tiny editor that's so simple you don't have to learn it |
| 15:36.02 | Downix | ok, how should I change the network interfaces? |
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| 15:36.18 | doub_ | Downix: what debian version is it? |
| 15:36.28 | Downix | ancient version |
| 15:36.30 | Downix | pre-sarge |
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| 15:36.48 | PDani | figyu mar |
| 15:36.50 | doub_ | Downix: if it's only for one run, you can set 'ifconfig <netif> <ip address>' as in 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10' |
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| 15:37.29 | doub_ | Downix: and then 'route add -net default gw <default gateway ip>' |
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| 15:38.30 | doub_ | Downix: or 'dhclient <netif>' for dhcp |
| 15:39.23 | Downix | ok, it's running |
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| 15:40.07 | Downix | seeing if apt-get upgrade works |
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| 15:40.19 | doub_ | Downix: consider dist-upgrade instead |
| 15:40.22 | Downix | then I have to roll my own kernel, the default 2.6 doesn't support the onboard SCSI |
| 15:40.26 | Downix | dist-upgrade? |
| 15:40.34 | doub_ | Downix: "intelligent" upgrade |
| 15:40.42 | Downix | ah |
| 15:40.45 | doub_ | Downix: see man apt-get |
| 15:41.07 | Downix | can you tell I haven't run debian in forever? |
| 15:41.17 | doub_ | Downix: and also first 'apt-get install apt' before any upgrade, i've been told old apt breaks on upgrade |
| 15:41.42 | beardy | Use aptitude. |
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| 15:42.06 | Downix | don't have aptitude |
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| 15:42.22 | rmaj | why kopete is so crappy, crashing almost daily? |
| 15:42.32 | rmaj | in debian teseting, and what can I do about it |
| 15:42.41 | beardy | Downix: Oh, running woody? |
| 15:42.51 | Downix | beardy: pre-sarge |
| 15:42.51 | NelsonM | what are you really trying to do, Downix? recover some files? get a new working linux box? |
| 15:43.06 | beardy | Downix: Upgrade to sarge, install aptitude, and then use it, upgrade to etch. |
| 15:43.14 | beardy | Downix: Yes.. that is woody. |
| 15:43.18 | cmdln | good morning |
| 15:43.19 | Downix | NelsonFx, bought an old computer that's been sitting around forever. |
| 15:43.23 | NelsonFx | szachista, stop saying my name |
| 15:43.30 | Downix | beardy: it's the half-sarge/half-woody testing setup |
| 15:43.32 | NelsonFx | Downix, who ? |
| 15:43.37 | NelsonM | why not just start over with a new debian install? it's going to be a lot easier than upgrading |
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| 15:43.43 | Downix | doh |
| 15:43.44 | NelsonM | (NelsonFx and NelsonM are different people :-) |
| 15:44.05 | Downix | NelsonM: debian no longer supports this hardware, only so far ahead I can go |
| 15:44.06 | Ronin | heh to be expected you two with nicks that close |
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| 15:44.53 | NelsonM | downix: ah, ok. godspeed |
| 15:44.55 | Downix | NelsonM: trying to tack down the last-end boot floppy |
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| 15:45.20 | Downix | NelsonM: never made sence to discontinue it just as it's growing |
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| 15:45.51 | moshii | Downix: what hardware is it? |
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| 15:46.50 | Downix | moshii, a 32-bit SPARC |
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| 15:47.29 | cmdln | how do I block kernel-image and kernel-headers from updating when doing dist-upgrade? |
| 15:47.32 | moshii | Downix: A: the userland is still 32bit for SPARC isn't and B: Linux is shit on 32bit SPARCs |
| 15:47.45 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i am using exim4 with courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl but my mail doesn't arrive somehow.. what could be the cause of that? |
| 15:47.46 | folken | cmdln: you add the hold state. |
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| 15:48.17 | folken | cmdln: go into aptitude and set the packet you want to prevent upgrade in the hold state. |
| 15:48.29 | folken | cmdln: '=' |
| 15:48.32 | Downix | moshii: depends on which SPARC. A SuperSPARC or HyperSPARC, sure, but a LeonSPARC, not quite the case. |
| 15:49.23 | Downix | moshii: also depends on the market as SPARC's are going embedded, where performance is not as much of an issue |
| 15:49.23 | moshii | Downix: LeonSPARC is going to be a 32bit sparc core with something missing no? |
| 15:49.43 | Downix | moshii: Depends on how you set it up. Leon is GPL'd. |
| 15:49.45 | hagna | the package for libnids-1.21 will install via apt-get, but I get an error on ./configure when I apt-get source libnids. Why is that? |
| 15:49.59 | moshii | Downix: Linux is shit on 32bit sparcs whether or not you want performance |
| 15:50.52 | Downix | moshii: Well, in any case, it is what I have to work with. (trying to make a userspace app anyways) |
| 15:52.09 | Downix | moshii: will get a 64-bit model soon enough. But for basic functionality, this works |
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| 15:53.41 | NelsonM | lovely: ddrescue and dd_rescue are different programs. and Debian's package "ddrescue" installs "dd_rescue". argh! |
| 15:53.45 | cmdln | how do I unmark a held package? |
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| 15:54.53 | doub_ | cmdln: mark it as install ('+') again |
| 15:55.13 | cmdln | thansk |
| 15:56.06 | doub_ | cmdln: next advice for "won't RTFM" will be 20$/advice ;) |
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| 15:56.35 | moshii | Downix: What is missing/added to the Leon Sparc that makes it different from a standard sparc? there may be a work around |
| 15:56.42 | Braindead | cmdln: assuming you're *always* using aptitude. and you really should. "aptitude hold FOO" should do the job anyway |
| 15:57.12 | hagna | where do I read about how the package in the .deb was compiled? |
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| 15:57.26 | doub_ | hagna: in the source debian/control file |
| 15:57.36 | doub_ | hagna: debian/rules even |
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| 15:58.00 | hagna | doub_: uh where is that? |
| 15:58.27 | Downix | Moshii: SPARC is a family, not a CPU model. Leon is GPL'd, and can be implimented in hundreds of ways. Can make it identical to a SuperSPARC, picoSPARC, MicroSPARC or HyperSPARC, or can impliment it in your own method. I happen to have a pair of HyperSPARCs here tho. Plotting on going Leon when I can afford the FPGA's. |
| 15:58.37 | doub_ | hagna: if your apt source is configured, 'apt-get source <package>' will download and unpack the source in the working directory |
| 15:58.57 | doub_ | hagna: there you'll find a debian/rules file |
| 15:59.06 | hagna | doub_: ooh |
| 15:59.26 | moshii | Downix: I know about the sparc "family", They generally differ on for example not having hardware mul/div things like that |
| 16:00.02 | moshii | Downix: but they shouldn't be all that different otherwise it makes it totally pointless using a sparc core when you could use something like mips |
| 16:00.03 | doub_ | hagna: which is a regular Makefile AFAIK |
| 16:00.07 | Downix | moshii: Leon's a GPL'd model, I've seen it implimented a dozen ways, from radiation-hardened to SoC. |
| 16:00.13 | abrotman | there is a #sparc ... |
| 16:00.19 | hagna | doub_: that's nice ok |
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| 16:00.53 | moshii | Downix: yes, but the thing runs the same code, which is why it's a sparc core not an arm or something |
| 16:00.57 | Downix | moshii: they're not that different architecturally. The main difference is implimentation. Some have different cache, some have the mul/div as you mentioned. I just like being able to custom design it to my needs. |
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| 16:01.41 | hagna | doub_: so it should be possible to get the source tree to compile from that rules file somehow |
| 16:02.09 | doub_ | hagna: in the toplevel source directory, 'dpkg-buildpackage' will |
| 16:02.18 | moshii | Downix: cache shouldn't be a problem, what I'm saying is that you may be able to build one or two packages with the right flags for your core and have a working/recent debian system |
| 16:02.28 | Downix | moshii: or, in this case, port an app to the SPARC 32-bit userland. |
| 16:02.41 | Downix | moshii: that is what I am hoping for |
| 16:03.17 | moshii | Downix: so you neded to find out what is missing/different in your sparc and why that causes a problem, I'd guess it's in libc or the kernel |
| 16:03.18 | doub_ | hagna: i think there's plenty of documentation about building/tweaking debian packages on the debian wiki, or in the maintainer guide, but that one is really for maintainers |
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| 16:03.57 | Downix | moshii: my only real problem is that the default debian kernel for SPARC32 is missing the SCSI controller, so it doesn't see the HD. I'm configuring that now |
| 16:04.19 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is there a command to install .cpio.gz archives at once or do I need to gunzip first ? |
| 16:04.39 | Downix | moshii: that and the install is ancient. Upgrading it now |
| 16:04.43 | doub_ | lord_rob: you can zcat <file> | cpio |
| 16:05.03 | moshii | Downix: ok, so your machine is a standard sparc with a scsi controller that isn't present on a normal sparc machine |
| 16:05.16 | moshii | Downix: shouldn't be a problem :) |
| 16:05.17 | lord_rob | ah yes thanks doub_ |
| 16:05.25 | Downix | moshii: No, standard SCSI controller. But somehow the default kernel is missing it, which is bizzare |
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| 16:06.20 | moshii | Downix: Is it a standard controller for a sun or clone workstation though? |
| 16:06.36 | Downix | moshii: standard Sun controller. It's built into the motherboard |
| 16:06.37 | hagna | doub_: I want to setup my dev environment. Should I do anything special so that it's easier to make a .deb |
| 16:06.50 | Evildust | hi |
| 16:06.51 | Downix | need to find RAM for this thing tho, 128 is so small..... |
| 16:07.09 | moshii | Downix: What machine is it? SS5 is the hardest to get ram for |
| 16:07.31 | Downix | moshii: SS10 |
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| 16:07.45 | doub_ | hagna: maybe install build-essential dpkg-dev and, if you're using emacs, debian-el dpkg-dev-el |
| 16:08.04 | NelsonM | you've already paid at least one hour for that SS 10 :-) |
| 16:08.13 | moshii | Downix: if you're in the uk google up a guy called unixnerd, he'll be able to sort you out for non-ripoff prices |
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| 16:08.49 | Downix | Nope, in the US |
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| 16:10.58 | helo | i'd really like to install firebird2.0 on my servers, but there is no stable package or backport... is there much of a chance that i will just be able to install the debs from sid? |
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| 16:11.06 | Hohlraum | OT: looking for US based business grade ftp/file services, please message me with any suggestions. google not turning up many genuine results. |
| 16:11.38 | valdyn | helo: maybe that works, but you should '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' |
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| 16:11.42 | moshii | Downix: SS10 should be simple to install, the fact that your scsi controller doesn't work should probably be reported |
| 16:12.06 | Downix | moshii: it also doesn't support the second CPU, which is also odd. |
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| 16:12.42 | hagna | doub_: tried compiling in the top level source tree with dpkg-build and I get |
| 16:12.44 | hagna | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libdb4.3-dev libnids-dev (>= 1.20) libssl-dev libxmu-dev libnet1-dev debhelper (>= 4.0.0) dpatch |
| 16:12.51 | helo | after doing the simple backport thing, can i remove the deb-src line for sid from sources.list and proceed as usual? |
| 16:13.12 | valdyn | helo: yes |
| 16:13.18 | helo | i suppose since it is only deb-src, it probably is fine to leave or delete hmmm |
| 16:13.26 | valdyn | helo: yes |
| 16:13.57 | moshii | Downix: multiple cpu's can be a bit weird in sparc workstations, that's try even for supersparc modules |
| 16:14.05 | moshii | Downix: s/try/true |
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| 16:15.38 | Downix | moshii: indeed. I still want one of those new T1 setups, but I hate Sun's implimentation of it. Tempted to buy a few Virtex 5's and roll my own |
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| 16:31.42 | wereHamster | what codename does version 4.0 have? |
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| 16:34.00 | Tallu | wereHamster: the topic might give you a hint.. it's etch. |
| 16:34.02 | dto | how do i remove all the packages from a given repository? |
| 16:34.02 | jnguy | Any textbased browser that support javascript? |
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| 16:41.13 | stew | dto: like from a third part repository? |
| 16:41.35 | stew | third party* |
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| 16:42.39 | bahadunn | anyone know why when I enable "smtp server requires authentication" and my password is added to kwallet why do I have to type in my password every time I send mail? |
| 16:42.51 | bahadunn | my pop password is also in kwallet and I dont have to enter it everytime I check mail |
| 16:42.58 | bahadunn | so why when I send? |
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| 16:43.07 | bahadunn | using kontact with kmail by the way |
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| 16:46.37 | themill | bahadunn: Tools -> Configure Kmail -> Accounts -> Sending -> (select the account) -> Modify -> put your password into the password box and tick "Store SMTP password" |
| 16:47.15 | bahadunn | themill: yeah thats what I did |
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| 16:47.28 | bahadunn | themill: now I have to open kwallet every time I want to send mail |
| 16:47.48 | bahadunn | themill: kmail stores my passwords in kwallet |
| 16:48.04 | themill | you can tell kwallet to allow kontact access to the wallet "Always" |
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| 16:49.03 | bahadunn | themill: its set like that already |
| 16:49.07 | cast | any suggestions on how to dl the first X many bytes of a file? wgets -Q option doesn't work for single files |
| 16:49.10 | majmun | if i do not want that a user has a home-directory, what shall i supply to adduser or put into /etc/passwd then..? |
| 16:49.17 | majmun | just leaving it blank doesn't work |
| 16:50.06 | cast | /tmp might be handy |
| 16:50.08 | themill | And in kwallet -> configure wallet -> Close Wallet -> uncheck "Closed when unused" etc |
| 16:50.32 | jelly | /nonexistent is nice :-) |
| 16:50.41 | themill | majmun: all users need a home directory. If they don't have one, the get / for the home dir... you have to specify something. |
| 16:50.54 | majmun | hm..okay, /tmp will do just fine |
| 16:51.02 | majmun | is there no fake-directory in /proc or something? |
| 16:51.13 | \amethyst | cast: maybe wget -O- | head -c 1024 to download the first 1024K ? |
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| 16:51.31 | \amethyst | cast: sorry, wget "$url" -O- | head -c 1024 > outfile |
| 16:51.56 | majmun | nevermind |
| 16:52.04 | cast | does that grab the entire file? |
| 16:52.21 | cast | its 500mb, only need the first few kb, so am trying to avoid grabbing entire thing |
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| 16:53.23 | \amethyst | cast: it might grab a little more than 1K, but it will get a broken pipe and terminate as soon as head has written 1024 bytes |
| 16:53.31 | munga | how can I configure xchat-gnome to use my tor proxy ? |
| 16:53.55 | cast | awesome |
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| 16:54.05 | \amethyst | cast: you might also want to look at curl and its -r argument (--range) |
| 16:54.18 | nvz | majmun: why would you want a user without a homedir? That won't be useful at all unless its a system user, which in turn answeres your question |
| 16:54.35 | cast | hmm |
| 16:54.41 | cast | that curl -r argument is pretty cool |
| 16:54.44 | nvz | a user without a homedir can't even login |
| 16:54.59 | nvz | has nowhere to create files |
| 16:55.19 | cast | he can login surely |
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| 16:55.48 | nvz | set your homedir so you can't write to it and go back to your login screen and try logging into your desktop |
| 16:55.49 | majmun | well, it's a user which is to be used for scp |
| 16:55.53 | \amethyst | nvz: "No directory, logging in with HOME=/" |
| 16:55.56 | majmun | so scp@server ..to copy over a file |
| 16:56.06 | majmun | i mean scp user@server |
| 16:56.08 | \amethyst | majmun: copy the file to where? |
| 16:56.12 | majmun | to that server |
| 16:56.20 | \amethyst | majmun: where on the server? |
| 16:56.21 | majmun | scp file user@server:/path/file |
| 16:56.26 | nvz | heh |
| 16:56.27 | \amethyst | ah, with an absolute path |
| 16:56.31 | majmun | yes |
| 16:56.52 | \amethyst | majmun: you might want to look at scponly |
| 16:57.02 | majmun | heh? |
| 16:57.41 | nvz | kudos |
| 16:57.41 | nvz | majmun: next time explain yourself you will get better answers like the ones \amethyst has |
| 16:57.42 | \amethyst | majmun: it's a shell designed specifically for allowing only scp and sftp connections |
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| 16:58.16 | majmun | i see |
| 16:58.39 | \amethyst | since normally anyone who can do scp can do ssh to get a shell |
| 16:58.42 | majmun | you mean i shall apt-get install scponly and then at adduser --shell=/usr/bin/scponly ? |
| 16:58.52 | majmun | yes |
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| 16:59.04 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:59.05 | \amethyst | majmun: you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/scponly in between those two steps :) |
| 16:59.24 | \amethyst | majmun: there's also a chroot version, too |
| 16:59.49 | Ace2016 | anyone here use the nvidia installer? i used it and it works fine but on restart some files are messed with, and the installer has to be run again for the xserver to start, anyone know what to do? |
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| 17:00.05 | streuner | !listkeys sucks |
| 17:00.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sucks' by key (15 of 20): #debian-bots sucks ;; CMD: daniels sucks monkey balls ;; _default sucks ;; _default tcl sucks ;; _default why nvidia-installer sucks ;; angel sucks ;; ipchains sucks ;; java sucks ;; kde sucks and gnome ;; nvidia-installer really sucks ;; op linux_sucks ;; sucks ;; tcl sucks ;; us sucks ;; why nvidia-installer sucks. |
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| 17:00.20 | streuner | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 17:00.20 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:00.44 | majmun | oh no |
| 17:00.46 | majmun | nvidia |
| 17:00.47 | majmun | go away |
| 17:00.49 | majmun | just go away |
| 17:00.53 | majmun | ati? |
| 17:00.56 | majmun | OMFG |
| 17:00.57 | majmun | GO AWAY |
| 17:01.03 | majmun | F*** OFF |
| 17:01.06 | streuner | majmun: stop |
| 17:01.07 | Enverex | majmun, STOP SPAMMING |
| 17:01.16 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 17:01.22 | streuner | !tell majmun about enter |
| 17:01.28 | Yarou | . |
| 17:01.46 | majmun | you don't know how many hours (i belive days) i wasted with nvidia-driver and it was even worse with ati :/ |
| 17:02.06 | Enverex | I've never had any issues with the nVidia manual installer |
| 17:02.23 | majmun | yes, the installer is fine - but later, just as dpkg said, it gets worse |
| 17:02.32 | Enverex | Used it for years then switched to the Debian packages in the end just to save downloading it manually |
| 17:02.36 | Ace2016 | ok i think its caused by the /etc/init.d/nvidia* scripts that debian use |
| 17:02.48 | Enverex | No, it's never "broken horribly" on either of my machines that used it |
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| 17:03.22 | shogunx | funny, i have never had a problem with any of my matrox cards;) |
| 17:03.53 | shogunx | and 100% open source drivers w/ 3d accel for them at that. |
| 17:04.00 | Enverex | I think it's probably just part of the Debian "omg it's not a .pkg file it's satan! SATAN!! aaaaahhhh!!" |
| 17:04.03 | Enverex | mentality |
| 17:04.06 | Ace2016 | well i think intel cards seem to work the best in terms of drivers and stuff |
| 17:04.08 | szachista | well, i'm forced to use nvidia installer |
| 17:04.29 | Ace2016 | but nvidia hardware acceleration may as well not exist, a true gamer could never put up with it |
| 17:04.39 | shogunx | yeah, intel does a good job with providing specs so real drivers can get written. |
| 17:05.00 | szachista | i mean i need to use old drivers |
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| 17:05.29 | szachista | but i was unable to find nvidia-kernel package for it |
| 17:05.32 | Enverex | Ace2016, ... have you ever even used an nVidia card under Linux? Linux games run perfectly, games that should run under Wine work perfectly... |
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| 17:07.23 | cast | one can become a liar quickly using wine and work perfectly in the same sentance ;p |
| 17:09.06 | stew | shogunx: they do better than providing open specs. they provide a fully featured free driver |
| 17:09.45 | stew | well i guess its good that they do both |
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| 17:12.32 | helo | Ace2016: i get performance in wine comparable to windows in world of warcraft |
| 17:12.50 | helo | it isn't as easy to set up as in windows, but it works quite well |
| 17:13.18 | Enverex | cast, Not really, there are several games that used to work perfectly (but not sure about now with Wine's constant flux) |
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| 17:13.37 | cast | glad you agree :> |
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| 17:14.50 | Ace2016 | WAIT i meant INTEL hardware acceleration may as well not exist |
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| 17:15.07 | Ace2016 | i play ut2004 almost every day on linux and it runs great |
| 17:15.12 | Nyle_ | good evening |
| 17:15.15 | Nyle_ | er.. morning |
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| 17:15.20 | Nyle_ | afternoon whatever I dunno where i am |
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| 17:15.49 | Ace2016 | i play ut2004 almost every day on linux and it runs great |
| 17:16.05 | Ace2016 | Nyle_: how about just saying hi all |
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| 17:20.23 | logd | there's a way to effectively get rid of initramfs ? mean when an initrmfs is strictly required and when it is not ? |
| 17:21.00 | nvz | logd: uh what? |
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| 17:21.12 | nvz | logd: don't compile your kernel with support for it, problem solved |
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| 17:21.36 | logd | <nvz> tried it wo't boot |
| 17:21.46 | nvz | logd: then you didn't do it right |
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| 17:22.15 | cast | why are you wanting to do this logd? |
| 17:22.31 | nvz | logd: either 1) you didn't remove the initramfs option from the config when you compiled, 2) you still made an initrd anyhow with your make-kpkg line even though your kernel doesnt use one and now your bootloader tries to boot with one |
| 17:22.35 | logd | just caus it would enable me to store kenrel on a floppy |
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| 17:22.58 | nvz | we have boot floppy images you know |
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| 17:24.15 | cast | one doesn't need to not use a initrd to put a kernel on a floppy surely? |
| 17:24.29 | nvz | it makes the kernel smaller |
| 17:24.34 | nvz | I think is what he is getting at |
| 17:24.38 | logd | yes ;) |
| 17:24.56 | nvz | but as I said we have already made boot floppy images |
| 17:25.21 | nvz | not that I know first hand.. cause I don't use floppies |
| 17:25.36 | nvz | I haven't used a floppy disk in like 10 years |
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| 17:25.53 | nvz | and the last time I did was because I have a Sony MavicaFD series camera |
| 17:25.57 | logd | practically i now use a boot cdrom to enable my old p3 boot from a usb hdd but i wanna do the same using floppi |
| 17:26.00 | logd | ;) |
| 17:26.06 | nvz | but I even started using the Sony/MMC cards for that |
| 17:26.19 | nvz | er |
| 17:26.26 | nvz | SonyMS or whatever the hell its called |
| 17:27.03 | nvz | cause these days all the computers are more likely to come with a Sony memory card reader than a floppy drive |
| 17:27.26 | nvz | though I do have a USB floppy drive that is about as useless as tits on a snake |
| 17:27.35 | helo | hahaha |
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| 17:28.09 | jelly-home | SD? MMC? CF? WTF? BBQ? |
| 17:28.37 | simonrvn | RAQ? |
| 17:28.41 | nvz | I think its SD/MMC and Sony/MS |
| 17:28.47 | nvz | two different media |
| 17:28.51 | nvz | I confused em |
| 17:29.08 | simonrvn | (run away quickly) |
| 17:29.12 | jelly-home | MemoryStick is Sony's thing |
| 17:29.32 | jelly-home | simonrvn: tnx, I wondered |
| 17:29.48 | simonrvn | just gotta ask :) |
| 17:29.52 | jelly-home | SD/MMC are similartastic |
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| 17:31.01 | jelly-home | ... and almost every word sounds great postfixed with tastic |
| 17:31.07 | bahadunn | themill: now my wallet is open all the time and anyone can access it |
| 17:31.36 | simonrvn | ÂŽstupidtastic |
| 17:31.59 | simonrvn | tastictastic |
| 17:32.24 | jelly-home | stupetastic! |
| 17:32.28 | simonrvn | personal fave, fanfuckingtastic |
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| 17:32.49 | Grejao | someone can help-me with proftp user login?? >>> http://pastebin.com/d18e4666c |
| 17:33.01 | jelly-home | someone enganging in intercourse with rotary blades? |
| 17:33.18 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
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| 17:36.58 | simonrvn | er |
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| 17:43.09 | majmun | i need a simple irc-server. it doesn't have to have many functions, just basic irc...suggestions? |
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| 17:44.00 | helo | irc.freenode.net is pretty nice, i hear |
| 17:44.22 | majmun | no, i mean the server-app itself, i want to run an own irc on my server |
| 17:44.40 | abrotman | majmun: apt-cache search ircd |
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| 17:44.58 | majmun | no, i mean the server-app itself, i want to run an own irc on my serverd |
| 17:45.01 | majmun | oops |
| 17:45.21 | simonrvn | um, helo failed to realise s/he/it was/is on freenode... |
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| 17:45.43 | Ronin | majmun: on purpose? what for? just curious |
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| 17:47.24 | simonrvn | Ronin: to see what it's like to have an invasion of a botnet |
| 17:47.40 | Ronin | simonrvn: oddly enough thats the outcome i was thinking of |
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| 17:51.42 | themill | bahadunn: define anyone? |
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| 17:53.32 | el_alexlu | hello every one! |
| 17:53.35 | helo | is it ok to have two different raid1 volumes on a single pair of drives? with /dev/md0 = {/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1}, /dev/md1 = {/dev/sda2,/dev/sdb2} |
| 17:53.38 | cast | majmun: be a man and write an awk script |
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| 17:53.49 | helo | or would i be better off to just have one raid1 volume as my root? |
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| 17:53.57 | majmun | huh? |
| 17:54.27 | helo | real men use slide rules |
| 17:54.45 | Downix | slide rules... well.... rule |
| 17:54.53 | cast | and slide, too |
| 17:55.07 | cast | ahhh i had forgotten all about the show sliders |
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| 17:56.09 | jelly-home | helo: yes. in fact I'd say it's quite common |
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| 17:57.04 | jelly-home | helo: you can easily convert a normal machine to raid1, just adding a disk and creating a setup like that |
| 17:58.36 | bahadunn | themill: anyone who may come to my computer |
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| 18:01.29 | jelly-home | bahadunn: If an untrusted person has physical access, you're pretty much in trouble anyway. |
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| 18:02.12 | bahadunn | jelly-home: unless my computer knows kung-fu |
| 18:02.16 | simonrvn | physical access == root |
| 18:02.34 | helo | jelly-home: is there an advantage to breaking up /boot and / with such a setup, rather than just having / be one raid1? |
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| 18:02.48 | simonrvn | (if that person knows what they're doing) |
| 18:02.56 | jelly-home | helo: none that I can think of |
| 18:02.58 | helo | even if they don't, they can still break shit :) |
| 18:03.07 | stew | helo: afaik you have to use lilo and not grub if /boot is on raid |
| 18:03.08 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 18:03.12 | helo | disadvantages? |
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| 18:03.33 | helo | hmm... that kinda sucks i suppose |
| 18:03.58 | jelly-home | need to install grub manually on the second disk, or use lilo (with some extra options). grub doesn't handle raid1 nicely |
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| 18:04.14 | jelly-home | grub-install wrapper totally barfs :-) |
| 18:04.43 | ak70 | hi, I remembered that there is a apt command that download a source package from sid and compile it against testing tree, what is that? |
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| 18:04.54 | helo | so maybe i should have two /boots that are not in raid at all, but are just dd clones of each other |
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| 18:05.10 | simonrvn | ak70: simple sid backport |
| 18:05.12 | helo | so if one drive fails completely, the other will be able to boot |
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| 18:05.24 | jelly-home | nah, just raid1 everything |
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| 18:05.52 | jelly-home | /boot is not the problem anyway, it's the boot manager |
| 18:06.39 | ak70 | simonrvn: no, using backport, it is safe, but that command is not safe |
| 18:06.51 | ak70 | but it is simple to use |
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| 18:07.47 | jelly-home | helo: also, leave some slack space at the end of the disk(s) unused, say 2-3GB. To account for differences in disk size (not all 200GB disks have the exact same number of sectors) |
| 18:08.11 | helo | good suggestion, but these do ;) |
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| 18:09.58 | jelly-home | yeah, and when one dies and you buy another brand to replace it? |
| 18:10.32 | jelly-home | s/brand/brand or model/ |
| 18:10.33 | helo | i'll buy a larger disk |
| 18:10.34 | elenril | how can i set a net iface to use dhcpclient only when link is up? |
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| 18:10.59 | helo | may not be able to find drives this small by then... 80GB |
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| 18:11.13 | jelly-home | elenril: hm, laptop-net can do that. there are probably other solutions |
| 18:12.17 | elenril | jelly, thanks, that will probably do |
| 18:12.43 | elenril | at first i thought about playing with mapping in interfaces |
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| 18:13.44 | jelly-home | it uses a daemon to notice when the link goes up to call dhclient, and deconfigures the device when the link is lost |
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| 18:14.05 | elenril | isn't there a /proc file for links status? |
| 18:14.28 | jelly-home | something has to watch that file, doesn'tit |
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| 18:14.43 | jelly-home | (dunno really how it's done) |
| 18:15.31 | elenril | i don't need a daemon, it's just that ifup runs dhclient on each startup |
| 18:15.40 | elenril | and that can take very long if no one answers |
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| 18:16.53 | valdyn | elenril: that's for a laptop? |
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| 18:17.07 | elenril | valdyn, yes |
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| 18:17.20 | valdyn | elenril: use try network-manager |
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| 18:17.42 | jelly-home | valdyn: but it's also a daemon! |
| 18:17.52 | valdyn | jelly-home: sure |
| 18:18.41 | valdyn | elenril: network-manager with its gnome thingie 'nm-applet' or the equivalent for kde |
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| 18:19.12 | valdyn | jelly-home: its 2! i think |
| 18:19.17 | el_alexlu | a doubt |
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| 18:19.18 | valdyn | jelly-home: 2 daemons |
| 18:19.21 | el_alexlu | which are the options for ext3 in fstab? |
| 18:19.42 | jelly-home | 2 factorial deamons?! That's like a lot! |
| 18:20.00 | twobitsprite | its like, 2 |
| 18:20.08 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: hush. |
| 18:20.16 | stew | 2*1 |
| 18:20.16 | twobitsprite | 1 * 2 = 2 |
| 18:20.23 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 18:20.27 | jelly-home | YHBT |
| 18:20.45 | helo | anyone know if there is a system that allows for one-time passwords? |
| 18:21.03 | stew | helo: apt-cache search opie |
| 18:21.15 | jelly-home | helo: there's opie (an s/key implementation) |
| 18:21.33 | helo | does that work for normal user logins? |
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| 18:21.37 | simonrvn | el_alexlu: man fstab |
| 18:21.42 | stew | helo: yes with libpam-opie |
| 18:21.46 | helo | nice |
| 18:21.48 | jelly-home | it does if the user enables it |
| 18:21.59 | elenril | that's the first time i see a FOSS executable with caps in filename |
| 18:22.25 | dondelelcaro | there are a few |
| 18:22.31 | jelly-home | I wonder if it's written in Mono |
| 18:22.43 | abrotman | doesn't BitchX have caps ? |
| 18:23.02 | jelly-home | BitchX is elite |
| 18:23.13 | elenril | there should be a place in hell for such people |
| 18:23.34 | jelly-home | or should I say 31337. While NetworkManager is just... unnecessary |
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| 18:24.36 | elenril | well that's funny, it doesn't detect any interfaces |
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| 18:24.52 | valdyn | elenril: that's right |
| 18:25.10 | valdyn | elenril: working as intended, it ignores interfaces that are setup in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:25.11 | elenril | valdyn, ? |
| 18:25.16 | elenril | oh |
| 18:25.25 | stew | elenril: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 18:26.35 | Downix | Hmm, I wonder if one could make a SPARC64 module for this older HyperSPARC machine |
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| 18:27.35 | abrotman | !tell [-TuMBa-] about root |
| 18:27.36 | jelly-home | you can get something like a U5 or U10 for very little money |
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| 18:28.50 | ma3x | why I can't watch the following url in iceweasel? |
| 18:28.50 | ma3x | http://channelsurfing.net/watch-band-sports.html |
| 18:28.59 | ma3x | it works well with ie |
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| 18:30.07 | amphi | ugh, spr0t |
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| 18:30.41 | ma3x | amphi, can i watch it in linux? |
| 18:30.49 | amphi | no idea |
| 18:31.33 | amphi | if not, complain to them |
| 18:31.38 | valdyn | ma3x: google 'ie4linux' |
| 18:31.47 | ma3x | valdyn, I already have it |
| 18:32.00 | valdyn | ma3x: so you can watch taht on linux? |
| 18:32.08 | ma3x | nope, it doesnt play |
| 18:32.16 | valdyn | ma3x: bad luck |
| 18:32.24 | ma3x | this one you mean ies4linux? |
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| 18:34.36 | stew | ma3x: you can't watch it in linux becuase either A) the site is broken or B) they don't want you to. in either case, ask them, not use |
| 18:34.39 | stew | ^use^us |
| 18:34.56 | itchi | Weird code anyway |
| 18:35.01 | ma3x | what code? |
| 18:35.05 | ma3x | the page code you mean? |
| 18:35.12 | stew | ma3x: the obfuscated javascript in the page source |
| 18:35.15 | itchi | ma3x: The Javascript they used |
| 18:35.22 | ma3x | yeah, it looks encrypted |
| 18:35.46 | ma3x | but behind that script there must be some file that will play in linux, right? |
| 18:35.52 | itchi | ma3x: Nah, the eval() and escape the stuff. Typical MS programmers :-p |
| 18:35.53 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 18:36.55 | jelly-home | ma3x: it's possible that decoding that might reveal an url playable in, say, mplayer |
| 18:37.05 | ma3x | jelly-home, that's what i want |
| 18:37.14 | ma3x | can you decode it? |
| 18:37.14 | jelly-home | ma3x: so decode it. |
| 18:37.24 | ma3x | how? |
| 18:37.43 | jelly-home | I have better things to do than trying to run javascript :-) |
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| 18:38.37 | jelly-home | copy the unescape(....) stuff into another html page, for example |
| 18:39.16 | zinx | i can watch that in iceweasel |
| 18:39.29 | itchi | ma3x: function d(s){r=new Array();t="";j=0;for(i=s.length-1;i>0;i--){t+=String.fromCharCode(s.charCodeAt(i)^2);if(t.length>80){r[j++]=t;t=""}}document.write(r.join("")+t)} |
| 18:39.46 | itchi | ma3x: But i'm sure your still asking ... :-p |
| 18:39.47 | ma3x | should i put that in .html file and run it? |
| 18:39.49 | zinx | install the "media player connectivity" plugin off the standard mozilla site |
| 18:39.51 | zinx | enable javascript |
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| 18:41.11 | itchi | ma3x: I have adde these sad code into a document.write() |
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| 18:42.33 | helo | bah, what's the dpkg (bot) keyword to get the simple backport instructions? |
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| 18:43.04 | ma3x | zinx, can you play that url? |
| 18:43.07 | dondelelcaro | !simple sid backport |
| 18:43.07 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 18:43.08 | Ronin | !tell helo about simple sid backport |
| 18:43.11 | Ronin | heh |
| 18:43.16 | helo | ty :) |
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| 18:43.26 | zinx | ma3x: yes. |
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| 18:43.32 | kirillov | hi, i'm going to buy a new laptop soon.. it's an asus with santa rosa platform, someone here knows if there could be some problems with debian? |
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| 18:43.40 | ma3x | zinx, what do you choose from the options exactly? |
| 18:43.45 | ma3x | download mms? |
| 18:43.45 | zinx | ma3x: using the steps above - install media player connectivity, enabled javascript. |
| 18:43.48 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: simple sid backport =~ s/resulting/resultant/ |
| 18:43.49 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 18:44.07 | itchi | helo: You need to learn about these listkeys, listvalues |
| 18:44.17 | itchi | helo: See /msg dpkg help |
| 18:44.20 | zinx | ma3x: i told it to play in a player - somewhat silly to download streaming media IMHO |
| 18:44.31 | itchi | ma3x: That code is still weird anyway |
| 18:44.39 | stew | ma3x: mms://200.218.192.66/bandsports is the url its trying to play |
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| 18:45.13 | itchi | stew: You are crazy! :-p |
| 18:45.47 | kirillov | anyone here knows about possible troubles with debian and new SANTA ROSA platform hardware? |
| 18:46.16 | ma3x | zinx, it plays the same video, not the live feed |
| 18:46.25 | simonrvn | kirillov: cpu type? |
| 18:46.34 | kirillov | it's a core duo |
| 18:46.37 | zinx | ma3x: it played some credits which i assume were from a live feed here |
| 18:46.53 | kirillov | santa rosa is a new platform by intel |
| 18:46.56 | ma3x | zinx, is this the url mms://200.218.192.66/bandsports ? |
| 18:46.58 | simonrvn | depends on driver support (as usual) |
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| 18:47.01 | zinx | ma3x: as it started in the middle |
| 18:47.03 | zinx | ma3x: moment |
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| 18:47.31 | simonrvn | i would hardly call it a new platform, but anyway |
| 18:47.47 | zinx | ma3x: appears to be, but it's a live feed here - or at least it gave different stuff this time :/ |
| 18:47.57 | zinx | ma3x: have you installed media player connectivity? :/ |
| 18:48.02 | ma3x | zinx, yes |
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| 18:48.19 | kirillov | simonrvn: it's a new hardware, the new centrino |
| 18:48.22 | DustyBin | what is the irssi command to display the #channels as well as the windows numbers on the blue bar? |
| 18:48.24 | ma3x | then I click on the play button and I see john travolta |
| 18:48.31 | kirillov | i want to buy a new lap |
| 18:48.40 | zinx | ma3x: yeah, that's the feed |
| 18:48.55 | zinx | ma3x: if you stop and click again, it'll continue from where it left off, so i'm assuming it's live |
| 18:48.56 | ma3x | zinx but it should play tennis live feed |
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| 18:49.04 | simonrvn | to have good linux support wait 3-6 months before buying it |
| 18:49.08 | zinx | ma3x: hey, don't blame me, blame the people who are streaming the wrong thing :) |
| 18:49.17 | ma3x | ok zinx thanks! |
| 18:49.35 | helo | i just installed a etch system, and my man pages are full of \fBsometext\fR |
| 18:49.59 | simonrvn | unless inhel is already trying to get any if need new drivers in to the kernel, then you won't have to wait so long =) |
| 18:50.21 | helo | oh, apparently only aptitude's man page |
| 18:50.40 | simonrvn | helo: that's *roff |
| 18:50.51 | jelly-home | helo: I think it's a known issue |
| 18:51.13 | simonrvn | yeh, i think jelly's right |
| 18:51.27 | jelly-home | I think that I think. Therefore, I think |
| 18:52.11 | itchi | helo: yeah, there where some troubles with that man i remember |
| 18:52.18 | dkr | cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum |
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| 18:52.25 | jelly-home | helo: unfortunately since it's not a critical bug, it means it won't be fixed until the next debian release |
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| 18:53.38 | itchi | stew: Do you give some "free" course's? :-) |
| 18:54.16 | zoredache | has anyone in here used the 'sarg' package? is it just me or is the default report script horribly broke? It doesn't seem to get all the logs correctly, it doesn't seem to have any working facility to remove old data |
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| 18:56.15 | mrpouet | hi , have a question , which packages contains libtic.so.5 ? because libncurse5 didn't install it (sid branch) |
| 18:56.35 | jelly-home | !tell mrpouet -about search |
| 18:56.49 | itchi | stew: You may put your tallent for free :-p |
| 18:57.22 | simonrvn | mrpouet: yeh, i just got that trying to run 'clear' from zsh |
| 18:57.56 | zoredache | mrpouet: the search on packages.debian.org doesn't show any package having that file |
| 18:58.00 | elenril | what's the point of moving things from /proc to /sys |
| 18:58.08 | mrpouet | doesn't work ? unworkable on bash for me |
| 18:58.12 | jelly-home | sounds like a fux0r3d binary upload? |
| 18:58.14 | simonrvn | mrpouet: checking incoming.debian.org later or tomrrow for an update to fix it, or downgrade libncursesw5 |
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| 18:58.22 | simonrvn | jelly-home: think so, yeh |
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| 18:58.26 | zinx | elenril: /proc is technically for processes |
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| 18:58.42 | stew | itchi: you had gotten most of the way there on your own, http://vireo.org/tmp/test2.html ; just changed document.write to alert |
| 18:58.57 | mrpouet | if i try to use 'clear' in any term i read : "clear: error while loading shared libraries: libtic.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 18:59.08 | zinx | elenril: Linux just mucked it up with stuff a while back because it was a convenient target, being a virtual filesystem |
| 18:59.19 | stew | jelly-home: my wife thinks so |
| 18:59.21 | itchi | stew: Doh! :-p |
| 18:59.23 | simonrvn | mrpouet: exactly what i got |
| 18:59.30 | mrpouet | ;) |
| 18:59.47 | mrpouet | incoming.debian.org oki thanks |
| 18:59.51 | elenril | zinx, ic |
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| 19:00.58 | mrpouet | i need to update libncurses5 ? or libncurses5w ? because ncurses-bin depends on libncurses5 |
| 19:00.59 | itchi | I'm very good to take food of the snack :-) |
| 19:01.02 | hardwire | holycow lots of people |
| 19:01.10 | hardwire | hey where do I lodge this issue of mine? |
| 19:01.13 | hardwire | :P |
| 19:01.22 | hardwire | actually /me runs to the list first |
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| 19:02.08 | helo | can i apt-get -b source package1 package2 ... ? |
| 19:02.38 | Kilah | mrpouet, you need to install : libc6 and libgpmg1 because libncurses5 depends on that packages |
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| 19:03.01 | stew | something tells me libc6 is already going to be installed |
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| 19:04.05 | mrpouet | libncurses5 is installed , libc6 too , but not libgpmg1 |
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| 19:10.13 | hardwire | ok, yes.. not on list or in bug tracker as far as I know how to search for it. |
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| 19:10.24 | Asmooh | wow :| a lot of ppl her |
| 19:10.26 | Asmooh | here* |
| 19:10.44 | hardwire | d-i netinst 'current' boots 2.6.21 but only has 2.6.22 modules available in the /cdrom/pool |
| 19:10.45 | helo | we've been waiting for you all day! |
| 19:11.14 | hardwire | anybody know of the last known good date for a testing netinst image? |
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| 19:11.42 | Ronin | hardwire: whats wrong with the current one? |
| 19:11.50 | Asmooh | anyway, i have something for any devers here that i mis in debian at the moment |
| 19:11.56 | Asmooh | where is apt-build search? |
| 19:12.02 | hardwire | Ronin: it boots into 2.6.21, but the d-i modules are for 2.6.22 |
| 19:12.11 | Asmooh | why using apt-get if you can use apt-build :P |
| 19:12.15 | hardwire | the wrong modules were wrapped into the netinst image. |
| 19:12.18 | itchi | Asmooh: Boe :-p |
| 19:12.19 | hardwire | or, the wrong kernel |
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| 19:12.25 | Asmooh | itchi, u are? |
| 19:12.44 | hardwire | ah.. found the right mailing list |
| 19:12.45 | itchi | Asmooh: #debian-nl ;-) |
| 19:12.45 | hardwire | nuhr |
| 19:12.47 | Asmooh | ow |
| 19:12.48 | Asmooh | lol |
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| 19:13.18 | mrpouet | Kilah, bug was reported on bug.debian.org (not me) : #446267 |
| 19:13.19 | mrpouet | :) |
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| 19:14.17 | supplyanddemand | I just want your view on something. I'm currently reinstalling the system, I've just upgraded to Lenny but I'm thinking about going all the way to sid. I know sid fixes some of the problems on the laptop but I'm not sure I got the technical skills to fix something if it breaks badly. What do you think, Lenny or Sid for me? Another pro with sid is that I might be forced to learn more about the system (thats one of th |
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| 19:15.03 | itchi | supplyanddemand: I may say, 'learn' first the testing release |
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| 19:15.41 | Kilah | mrpouet, i know but i have debian sid instaled and is work |
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| 19:16.10 | itchi | supplyanddemand: You don't get support for sid, at least, it's not "supported" here |
| 19:16.26 | supplyanddemand | Hmm okay. Your probably right. |
| 19:16.29 | adamm | supplyanddemand: The "laptop" things are mostly in the kernel anyway. Just can update the kernel from sid in lenny and have virtually all of the "Sid laptop benefits". |
| 19:16.54 | mrpouet | Kilah, which arch ? |
| 19:16.59 | supplyanddemand | adamm: That might be a good idea. |
| 19:17.08 | Kilah | mrpouet, amd64 |
| 19:17.09 | itchi | supplyanddemand: If you have some other boxes, i may say, go you way with sid, but don't wine when somethings got broken heh. Sure, you will learn some things with sid, with some pain and fun |
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| 19:18.41 | Asmooh | whats the mini mini minimal unstable disk u can download? |
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| 19:18.51 | Asmooh | so only the base system and stuff for recompiling kernel |
| 19:18.52 | Ronin | Asmooh: you cant dl unstable |
| 19:18.55 | jelly-home | supplyanddemand: I've given up on sid, and am tracking lenny now, plus custom kernel (from kernel.org or tuxonice guys) when there's something interesting in it |
| 19:18.56 | mrpouet | Kilah, me too |
| 19:18.57 | Asmooh | hm |
| 19:18.58 | mrpouet | strange :\ |
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| 19:19.15 | mrpouet | since this morning |
| 19:19.26 | Asmooh | then i need to install testing, and upgrade |
| 19:19.29 | supplyanddemand | Thanks everyone... I guess it would be suicide to go for sid. |
| 19:19.46 | Asmooh | im using sid sins portato |
| 19:19.47 | Ronin | Asmooh: yes but im not sure you could call that an upgrade, why do you want to run sid? |
| 19:19.49 | Kilah | mrpouet, i have instaled etch first and i have make dist-upgrade |
| 19:19.57 | Asmooh | Ronin, i always do/did |
| 19:19.58 | Asmooh | :) |
| 19:20.42 | adamm | Asmooh: Try the 100MB or so install CD (the network install one) then install build-essential metapackage. If you are building the .deb package for kernel, then you may need to install stuff in the Build-Deps of that package (see debian/control file in the actial package for details) |
| 19:21.28 | mrpouet | Kilah, etch->lenny->sid for me |
| 19:21.50 | Asmooh | adamm, well what i want is to rebuild my system next week when i have more ram and new cpu; minimal and apt-build my complete system , optimalisation.. thats why i want as less as possible |
| 19:21.59 | mrpouet | all other packages great works |
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| 19:22.09 | adamm | mrpouet: Lenny == Sid at the memont, just delayed a bit. |
| 19:22.24 | Asmooh | apt-build world doesnt work anyway :/ |
| 19:22.27 | Asmooh | dont know why |
| 19:22.34 | mrpouet | adamm, oki i didn't know ;) |
| 19:22.57 | mrpouet | adamm, so stable :) |
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| 19:23.05 | Asmooh | thats one thing i like @ slack :) u can build it from source.. more or less |
| 19:23.24 | Ronin | apt-build world? we taking from gentoo now? |
| 19:23.30 | Asmooh | hehe |
| 19:23.56 | Ronin | Asmooh: thats one of the things i like about debian, you don't have to build it from source |
| 19:23.56 | Asmooh | -----> Building package list <----- |
| 19:23.56 | Asmooh | Please read README.Debian first. |
| 19:23.57 | Asmooh | :/ |
| 19:24.03 | Asmooh | Ronin, i know |
| 19:24.04 | adamm | Asmooh: do watever you want. But my experience is that optimizations from recompiling stuff do not matter. If you want speed, just install the amd64 build and it will be optimized anywy. |
| 19:24.05 | jelly-home | Asmooh: have you read it? |
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| 19:24.10 | Asmooh | but if u want optimalisation u do it :) |
| 19:24.14 | Asmooh | jelly-home, yea |
| 19:24.30 | Ronin | Asmooh: oh ya spend hours tweaking for <> that much improvement? pass |
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| 19:24.40 | jelly-home | oh well |
| 19:24.41 | adamm | Asmooh: as for rebuilding a package, apt-get source to get it then go to that directory and use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:25.11 | Asmooh | but whats differend between that, and apt-build install package? |
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| 19:25.30 | jelly-home | Asmooh: sorry, I can't help anyway, not familiar with it |
| 19:25.34 | Asmooh | ok :) |
| 19:25.47 | jelly-home | but I'll refrain from !gentoosmiting you :-) |
| 19:25.56 | Asmooh | Ronin, u dont have to, but its nice if u can :) |
| 19:25.59 | adamm | Asmooh: apt-build is another layer on top of the manual way. |
| 19:26.07 | Asmooh | ah |
| 19:26.19 | Asmooh | but it does the same? |
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| 19:26.37 | Asmooh | apt-get source does compile, apt-build does compile |
| 19:26.38 | Asmooh | :) |
| 19:26.46 | L0cKn | :> |
| 19:26.47 | adamm | Asmooh: it does the "work" for you so if it has bugs, it may not work all the time. All debian packages are build using the same process. |
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| 19:27.02 | Asmooh | yea oke :) |
| 19:28.40 | adamm | Bash script giving me grief (author: Adobe). It keeps looping with "expr: syntax error" being displayed. How can I get bash to echo all commands being executed with line numbers? |
| 19:28.53 | stew | adamm: set -x |
| 19:29.09 | stew | that won't get you line numbers, but you should be able to follow alone |
| 19:29.11 | stew | along* |
| 19:30.31 | adamm | stew: thanks |
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| 19:32.18 | mot_ | can i get apt-get to automatically install security updates? |
| 19:32.59 | DawnLight | debian installation turns off my fans at boot. i can't have that. help? |
| 19:33.21 | logd | hello, there a way to clear "schedule for check" flag for a ntfs volume ? |
| 19:33.53 | abrotman | OT: anyone know an open 3270 to connect to? |
| 19:34.14 | stew | mot_: there is cron-apt to download them but not install them, it is not recommended to install security updates unattended |
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| 19:34.34 | elenril | if i do make-kpkg kernel_image, do i also have to build kernel_source if i want to build modules later? |
| 19:34.53 | stew | elenril: no, headers_image |
| 19:35.03 | stew | or whatever the headers target is |
| 19:35.18 | stew | elenril: or "binary" will build all three |
| 19:35.36 | elenril | stew, thx |
| 19:35.49 | Thms | how can I know my ip on my home network ? (ipconfig on windows) |
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| 19:36.18 | adamm | Thms: ifconfig |
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| 19:37.21 | adamm | Thms: or `ip addr` if you ahve the iproute package install |
| 19:38.08 | itchi | DawnLight: Take an external fan an keep it really near the PC when experimenting. Look to the bugy acpi, try with/without acpi enabled |
| 19:38.23 | atoponce | where is the keyboard layout stored for the system? |
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| 19:39.21 | DawnLight | itchi: the bios doesn't have an option to turn off acpi |
| 19:40.53 | DawnLight | itchi: what am i looking for? |
| 19:41.20 | valdyn | DawnLight: why do you think its the installation? |
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| 19:42.06 | valdyn | DawnLight: its probably just the actual temperature that makes your mainboard throttle the fan |
| 19:42.10 | stew | DawnLight: modprobe fan ; then see if you can control the fan with something like "echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state" or so (this file should exist and tell you the current state of the fan if it is controllable by acpi) |
| 19:42.12 | DawnLight | valdyn/itchi: it happens during the installation boot. it says something like "acpi fan1 on" when the fan stops |
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| 19:42.44 | asarch | ! dpkg time |
| 19:42.49 | asarch | !dpkg time |
| 19:42.53 | asarch | ? |
| 19:42.57 | stew | asarch: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:43.00 | valdyn | DawnLight: _my_ notebook boots with fan up and throttles it already while booting |
| 19:43.11 | valdyn | DawnLight: i dont know about yours naturally |
| 19:43.15 | asarch | How to change the timezone |
| 19:43.21 | valdyn | DawnLight: but check the actual temperature of your cpu anyway |
| 19:43.25 | hardwire | tzselect |
| 19:44.04 | DawnLight | valdyn/itchi/stew: its a pentium ii. bios doesn't show tempratures. is there modprobe during the installer? |
| 19:44.05 | asarch | Thank you very much |
| 19:44.10 | asarch | Thank you guys |
| 19:44.20 | asarch | Have a nice day :-D |
| 19:44.21 | hardwire | DawnLight: i2c? |
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| 19:44.28 | valdyn | DawnLight: acpi didnt even exist back then i suppose |
| 19:44.53 | valdyn | DawnLight: there shouldnt be anything loaded during install |
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| 19:45.27 | atoponce | !dpkg keyboard |
| 19:45.57 | itchi | DawnLight: You want to disable it in the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 19:46.15 | DawnLight | valdyn/itchi/stew/hardwire: i don't know if it has i2c. should i put an external fan on it during installation and try to work it out after the system is installed? |
| 19:46.20 | itchi | DawnLight: Enable or disable i mean, but you may need to learn that bugy thingy you own |
| 19:46.26 | stew | itchi: there is no /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 19:47.04 | itchi | stew: Are you sure? Give me your beer ;-) |
| 19:47.19 | hardwire | DawnLight: you should get the motherboard manual out and find out of it has any LMxx based sensors |
| 19:47.20 | xingu | beer is a sometimes food |
| 19:47.26 | valdyn | DawnLight: i doubt you thing even has a way for software to control the fan, but uh |
| 19:47.33 | hardwire | or install the lmsensors package and have it scan |
| 19:47.36 | itchi | For my old bugy Compaq Armada 1750 i had to enable(force) that acpi thingy |
| 19:47.36 | valdyn | DawnLight: boot something else and see |
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| 19:47.42 | stew | itchi: the installer doesn't boot from grub, typically |
| 19:47.55 | itchi | stew: oh, yeah, sure, after the install i means |
| 19:48.11 | DawnLight | itchi: is this yours? http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1744 |
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| 19:48.27 | helo | how can i see every package installed that starts with meepmeep? |
| 19:48.44 | itchi | DawnLight: no man! |
| 19:48.53 | DawnLight | hehe |
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| 19:49.30 | stew | helo: aptitude search '~i~n^meepmeep' |
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| 19:49.43 | Shifty | how can i mount a ntfs hd with ntfs-3g if it dont work with opition force? |
| 19:49.47 | h2k | eclipse won't run on sid any more - it complains about # C [libglib-2.0.so.0+0x22e20] |
| 19:49.58 | itchi | DawnLight: Here's my oldy typo error fully note about my Armada 1750 http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/docs/compaq_armada_1750/compaq_armada_1750.html#power_management |
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| 19:50.00 | stew | h2k: checked the bts? |
| 19:50.06 | h2k | neither package version or eclipse's release |
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| 19:50.11 | h2k | stew, bts? |
| 19:50.14 | stew | !bts |
| 19:50.14 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:50.28 | h2k | stew, right away |
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| 19:51.13 | hardwire | helo: apt-cache search ^meepmeep |
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| 19:51.28 | hardwire | err |
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| 19:51.32 | stew | hardwire: that shows all packages, not just installed pacakges |
| 19:51.34 | helo | anyone ever try using apcupsd as a remote power cutting tool? |
| 19:51.39 | hardwire | apt-cache search meepmeep | grep ^meepmeep |
| 19:52.10 | helo | dpkg -l|grep meepmeep ? |
| 19:52.13 | Shifty | how can i mount a ntfs hd with ntfs-3g if it dont work with opition force? |
| 19:52.17 | stew | hardwire: sure, or " apt-cache search -n ^meepmeep" but that is all available pacakges not just installed pacakges |
| 19:52.18 | DawnLight | valdyn/itchi/stew/hardwire: knoppix doesn't turn off the fan |
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| 19:52.48 | hardwire | DawnLight: you shouldn't expect your machine to throttle your fans |
| 19:52.57 | hardwire | maybe 15% of motherboards in the world can do that |
| 19:53.00 | stew | helo: "dpkg -l" might show packages that were once installed but are no longer installed, and that will limit to packages containing the name meepmeep not just ones that start with meepmeep |
| 19:53.05 | valdyn | DawnLight: umm wrong, 'fan does not turn off when you run knoppix' |
| 19:53.13 | itchi | DawnLight: Look to wich boot option these use, acpi=on|force in the /boot/grub/menu.lst i guess. Or even not to use acpi, you may need to figure it out |
| 19:53.18 | valdyn | DawnLight: i dont see how wwe can conclude more than that |
| 19:53.21 | h2k | stew, no, my bug wasn't reported there |
| 19:53.26 | helo | good enough, i suppose |
| 19:53.34 | stew | h2k: consider reporting it: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:53.35 | hardwire | DawnLight: you should make an 8 bit PWM module out of your parallel port |
| 19:53.39 | valdyn | !p2 |
| 19:53.39 | Shifty | can some 1 tell me how i mount a ntfs drive with ntfs-3g???? |
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| 19:53.55 | hardwire | a few npn's, a diode, and a few resistors later and you have your variable PWM fan speed |
| 19:53.59 | hardwire | 256 levels of vroom |
| 19:54.05 | hardwire | well.. 255 |
| 19:54.12 | hardwire | off is such a fun level |
| 19:54.16 | abrotman | 256 |
| 19:54.59 | gkiagia | Shifty: mount /dev/drive /path/to/mountpoint -t ntfs-3g |
| 19:55.14 | wols_ | !ntfsrw |
| 19:55.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport at http://www.backports.org/. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 19:55.21 | atoponce | !keyboard |
| 19:55.22 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys" |
| 19:55.22 | Shifty | i got it worked right now... but thx gkiagia |
| 19:55.32 | valdyn | DawnLight: whatever you do with debian installer could fry your cpu, so don't do it |
| 19:55.33 | xingu | hardwire: bah, use 4 for a stepper and 4 for an ir sensor; when it's hot, it can go park itself in the damn fridge |
| 19:55.33 | DawnLight | lets not go too far |
| 19:55.34 | atoponce | !keyboard layout |
| 19:55.39 | atoponce | meh |
| 19:55.44 | hardwire | xingu: :) |
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| 19:55.53 | stew | atoponce: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:55.57 | hardwire | ok.. debian-installer netinst image woes |
| 19:56.02 | valdyn | DawnLight: but the only way i see to test if it works is to run something that burns the cpu to see if the fan will be switched on again or not |
| 19:56.03 | hardwire | whats a good bug tag for that.. d-i? |
| 19:56.14 | atoponce | stew: i would like to change the system-wide keyboard layout |
| 19:56.21 | stew | hardwire: bug tag? |
| 19:56.26 | atoponce | both with X and without |
| 19:56.28 | stew | atoponce: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 19:56.29 | hardwire | stew: bugs.debian.org |
| 19:56.41 | stew | hardwire: there is a debian-installer pseudo-package |
| 19:56.42 | itchi | These HHKB's make to much noise when i type like a guru :-p My wife own it now :-p |
| 19:56.42 | valdyn | DawnLight: like alt-f2 and while true; do test;done |
| 19:56.52 | hardwire | stew: rawr? |
| 19:56.56 | stew | hardwire: what? |
| 19:56.58 | fas3r | i have question about radcheck table with freeradius .... if i use usergroup table and add one group for example Group-test Auth-Type := EAP ... all user in this group take the Auth-Type policy ( here EAP ) ... but what information it's possible i add in radcheck table ? |
| 19:57.04 | hardwire | stew: exactly.. what are you suggesting? |
| 19:57.12 | stew | hardwire: exactly what are you asking? |
| 19:57.18 | hardwire | submit a bug against the pseudo package? |
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| 19:57.29 | stew | hardwire: reportbug debian-installer |
| 19:57.47 | supplyanddemand | Anyone here know a easy way to get a vertical split with screen (instead of horizontal) |
| 19:57.59 | hardwire | you think the scope of that pseudo package extends to the nightly netinst/buscard isos? |
| 19:58.02 | atoponce | stew: which file does dpkg-reconfigure console-data change? |
| 19:58.02 | hardwire | see thats what I'm hoping for |
| 19:58.07 | Shifty | user,users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8 <--- what mus i change that i can acces to the drive with www-data user? |
| 19:58.09 | stew | hardwire: yes |
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| 19:58.11 | atoponce | (files) |
| 19:58.12 | valdyn | hardwire: sure |
| 19:58.15 | hardwire | stew: danke danke |
| 19:58.29 | hardwire | it seems trivial |
| 19:58.39 | hardwire | kernel version != d-i modules version |
| 19:58.41 | stew | atoponce: /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz iirc |
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| 19:59.08 | helo | woah, battles is awesome |
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| 19:59.33 | helo | dpkg: firebird2.0 etch is see simple sid backport |
| 19:59.33 | dpkg | helo: okay |
| 19:59.37 | stew | hardwire: oh if its not about the d-i software itself, you might try http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot or #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 20:00.01 | hardwire | stew: I joined debian-boot a few seconds ago |
| 20:00.03 | hardwire | I think |
| 20:00.09 | hardwire | lets see if the listserv ever got back to me |
| 20:00.52 | stew | helo: what was that supposed to mean exactly? |
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| 20:02.18 | Shifty | user,users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8 <--- what mus i change that i can acces to the drive with www-data user? |
| 20:02.32 | stew | yikes |
| 20:02.54 | stew | Shifty: you shouldn't have to change anything |
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| 20:03.09 | Shifty | but i can only access with root user stew :( |
| 20:03.12 | Shifty | !ntfs-3 |
| 20:03.13 | Shifty | !ntfs-3g |
| 20:03.14 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport at http://www.backports.org/. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 20:03.34 | stew | Shifty: that should give all users readonly access and write access for root |
| 20:03.45 | Shifty | and how write access? |
| 20:04.02 | Shifty | need to write with www-data |
| 20:04.23 | stew | Shifty: add a uid= option. |
| 20:04.33 | Shifty | stew how? |
| 20:04.43 | smacnay_ | Anyone here used the tea text editor and like it? |
| 20:04.44 | Shifty | ,uid=www-data? |
| 20:04.54 | stew | Shifty: uid=N where N is the uid of www-data, which is normally 33 |
| 20:05.02 | Shifty | k thx |
| 20:05.13 | stew | Shifty: it would be the 3rd field in "getent passwd www-data" |
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| 20:05.36 | Shifty | ? |
| 20:05.41 | stew | ! |
| 20:05.48 | Shifty | :D |
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| 20:06.27 | helo | where is the best resource to find out how to build .debs for internal use where i work? |
| 20:07.01 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:07.09 | stew | helo: debs of software already pacakged, or pacakging software that has never been packaged? |
| 20:07.09 | Shifty | hi |
| 20:07.15 | helo | the latter |
| 20:07.20 | stew | helo: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 20:07.40 | stew | helo: what does "firebird2.0 etch is see simple sid backport" mean? |
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| 20:08.24 | Supaplex | as in /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:08.43 | helo | if someone is curious about running firebird2.0 on etch, they just need to /msg dpkg simple sid backport... i guess i left off the /msg dpkg part :) |
| 20:08.57 | stew | are you talking about icedove? |
| 20:09.04 | stew | or firebird2? |
| 20:09.08 | helo | no, i'm talking about firebird the database |
| 20:09.16 | stew | firebird2 2.0? |
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| 20:09.24 | helo | yes |
| 20:09.30 | helo | called "firebird2.0" in sid |
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| 20:10.56 | helo | there are so few users of firebird db that it took me weeks to 'discover' how to install it properly on a debian system... the manual build process is a dog, (almost) noone has build it themselves, and the prebuilt binaries use libstdc++5 |
| 20:11.16 | stew | !no firebird2.0 etch is firebird2 is renamed firebird2.0 in lenny and sid. for firebird2.0 packages in etch ask me about <backports> |
| 20:11.16 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 20:12.40 | Supaplex | helo: sounds painful |
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| 20:14.27 | Phlogi | how can I change the default wm when running a vncserver? |
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| 20:14.56 | helo | Supaplex: it is trivial (2 or 3 lines) to install firebird2.0 using the "simple sid backport" method :D |
| 20:15.30 | stew | there are firebird2 backports on bpo, presumably they will show up for firebird2.0 |
| 20:15.33 | Supaplex | I agree. |
| 20:15.54 | epsilon | Phlogi: ~/.vnc/xstartup, add the desktop/wm to start |
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| 20:16.36 | Phlogi | does not work... |
| 20:17.19 | Phlogi | I set twm there but wmaker is loaded instead... whats the simplest window manager after twm? I need one that sets every window in fullscreen and without borders, any idea? |
| 20:18.06 | epsilon | tried with full path? |
| 20:18.41 | epsilon | so like: /usr/bin/twm & > ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 20:18.55 | epsilon | eh, with '' |
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| 20:19.08 | Phlogi | epsilon: yes I did |
| 20:19.12 | epsilon | hm |
| 20:19.33 | Phlogi | it still loads windowmaker |
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| 20:19.58 | Phlogi | where could I change the standard wm for the user normally...? Because I think I could override it with that setting? |
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| 20:20.29 | Phlogi | but anybody knows a hint to my question before? To let every window be a fullscreen window by default? |
| 20:20.42 | jelly-home | Phlogi: ratpoison? |
| 20:21.16 | stew | yeah, ratpoison is what I run on my tv for that reason |
| 20:21.25 | Phlogi | where can I set the default display manager in debian? in which config? |
| 20:21.43 | vnWrK | someone's telling me I should have been encountering problems because I didn't reinstall my debian since slink....is that true? I had no problem, did everything with dist-upgrade and its all running fine... |
| 20:21.54 | vnWrK | is that true that I should have met a problem? |
| 20:22.02 | stew | Phlogi: update-alternatives --conig x-window-manager |
| 20:22.29 | jelly-home | stew: I think he might have meant the xdm/gdm/kdm/wdm bit |
| 20:22.40 | Phlogi | but rat poison runs on a Xserver? |
| 20:22.47 | stew | Phlogi: yes |
| 20:22.57 | jelly-home | Phlogi: yes. it just doesn't use a mouse much |
| 20:23.06 | Phlogi | jelly-home: nope just the one that comes after an start |
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| 20:23.11 | Phlogi | startx I mean |
| 20:23.21 | stew | vnWrK: it is not necessarily true, as long as you don't skip any releases |
| 20:23.35 | vnWrK | I didn't so I am fine... |
| 20:23.42 | hardwire | great googa mooga |
| 20:23.47 | jelly-home | Phlogi: I use gdm, choose the window manager once, tell gdm to remember my choice when it asks and it defaults to that wm after |
| 20:23.48 | Phlogi | stew: thats system wide? How can I for just one user? |
| 20:23.49 | hardwire | the d-i image needs serious love |
| 20:23.54 | stew | Phlogi: systemwide |
| 20:24.11 | stew | Phlogi: for just one user it would be $HOME/.xsession or $HOME/.xinitrd |
| 20:24.11 | vnWrK | slink, potato, woody, sarge and then etch |
| 20:24.17 | stew | Phlogi: err .xinitrd |
| 20:24.22 | Phlogi | stew: hmm ok |
| 20:24.29 | jelly-home | stew: you needs coffee! |
| 20:24.35 | vnWrK | it's even possible that I installed hamm rather than slink...it was in august '99 |
| 20:24.41 | jelly-home | or less coffee perhaps .xinitrc |
| 20:24.44 | Phlogi | stew: and I just write the path in it? |
| 20:25.04 | stew | yeah, its too late for coffee though |
| 20:25.23 | jelly-home | Phlogi: .xsession is sourced from a shell. When I used that, I ended it with "exec my-wm" |
| 20:25.37 | stew | Phlogi: it is .xinitrc, that is a script that is run when x is started, and when that script finishes, the x server is killed |
| 20:25.46 | Phlogi | jelly-home: hmm I actually want that vncserver uses it! |
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| 20:28.02 | Phlogi | so vncserver does not read .xinitrc as it seems :S |
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| 20:28.46 | tech13 | how do I enable InnoDB in mysql? I commented out the "skip-innodb" line in /etc/mysql/my.conf and restarted mysqld. "show engines" still has innodb marked as disabled |
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| 20:29.57 | stew | tech13: what version of mysql-server? |
| 20:30.36 | tech13 | mysql-server-5.0 -- 5.0.32-7etch1 |
| 20:30.53 | stew | tech13: innodb works for my with the default config |
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| 20:31.29 | supplyanddemand | Ive installed a vertical split for screen (using a deb file on the website). Anyone know how to acutally split a window vertical? |
| 20:31.48 | itchi | I created /home/foo , i'm in the same group as foo, and i'm allowed to write there to. But when i create a file, it need to be owned be foo and group foo. How does i that again? |
| 20:31.52 | stew | tech13: wait, i lied |
| 20:32.02 | vnWrK | hi, why isn,t there nagios3 on debian repositories yet? |
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| 20:33.00 | veritos | hello...is there a metapackage similar to kubuntu-desktop that installs KDE and some of the optional stuff? |
| 20:33.14 | itchi | veritos: See /msg dpkg install kde |
| 20:33.49 | jelly-home | vnWrK: noone packaged it yet? How old is it? |
| 20:33.50 | stew | tech13: did you see the "read the manual if you want to enaable innodb"? |
| 20:33.52 | Phlogi | ok with ratpoison it does what I want... but I have set it now systemwide... and thats not actually what I want... so putting it in .xinitrc should be enough? I mean will vncserver read that file too? |
| 20:34.02 | tech13 | stew, missed that. |
| 20:34.02 | vnWrK | jelly-home: nvm found out that 3 is still in dev |
| 20:34.57 | stew | tech13: in any case, just commenting out skip-innodb in the config makes "support" change from "DISABLED" to "YES" |
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| 20:37.26 | stew | vnWrK: it looks like an RFP has been filed: http://bugs.debian.org/430120 so the reason it isn't in debian is basicaly, "nobody has bothered packaging it yet" |
| 20:37.37 | vnWrK | kthx |
| 20:37.50 | Phlogi | oh now it seems to work fine :) |
| 20:37.53 | Phlogi | thanks to all |
| 20:37.56 | stew | vnWrK: oh, its an ITP now, and there are preliminary packages |
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| 20:38.19 | vnWrK | kewl |
| 20:38.23 | stew | well it should be an itp but they guy forgot to BCC control@b.d.o so the retitling never happened |
| 20:38.29 | vnWrK | for the moment I'll just do it the .tgz way :p |
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| 20:38.51 | stew | vnWrK: why not user the pacakges? |
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| 20:39.29 | vnWrK | stew: cuz doing it the debian way is always different than an official tutorial |
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| 20:39.59 | stew | right becuase the tutorials are more often than not ignorant when it comes to debian |
| 20:40.48 | Phlogi | how would you backup my complete debian etch server? |
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| 20:41.22 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 20:41.22 | dpkg | from memory, mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
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| 20:41.43 | tt | Ive bunzipped x.diff.bz2 and ended up with x.diff. What do I do with it? (can't find any instructions) |
| 20:41.55 | vnWrK | well form experience up to now, the general way was more logic than the debian way..no offence |
| 20:42.01 | waltz | so if I buy an "Etch" distrib on CD I can switch to the testing "Lenny" branch, right? |
| 20:42.05 | vnWrK | I remember xoops and drupal for example |
| 20:42.13 | waltz | (dumb question, but ?) |
| 20:42.24 | cmdln | So when I compile a kernel on one vm and then move it to another the other vm wont boot off the new kerenl |
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| 20:42.33 | cmdln | they are clones of eachother |
| 20:42.36 | stew | waltz: yes, you can switch from etch to lenny, but not back from lenny to etch |
| 20:42.51 | waltz | excellent |
| 20:42.53 | stew | cmdln: did your kernel require an initrd? |
| 20:43.07 | waltz | I can run Etch in a chrooted environment simultaneously then |
| 20:43.11 | cmdln | stew: yeah |
| 20:43.13 | waltz | thanks, stew |
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| 20:43.25 | stew | cmdln: did you rebuild the initrd for the new machine? |
| 20:43.37 | valdyn | waltz: or lenny in the chroot, since etch is what's 'stable' |
| 20:43.58 | waltz | valdyn: even better |
| 20:44.11 | cmdln | stew: All I did was build the kernel debs, Im pretty sure the initrd was rebuilt when i installed it with dpkg |
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| 20:44.48 | stew | cmdln: yeah it would have been if you build the kenrel with --initrd |
| 20:44.48 | valdyn | cmdln: how? make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image? |
| 20:45.07 | cmdln | yes |
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| 20:46.39 | stew | cmdln: what happens when you try to boot? |
| 20:46.58 | cmdln | when I move the kernel to the other machine and try to boot it cant ever find the root fs |
| 20:47.30 | cmdln | same thing happens in reverse. |
| 20:47.45 | itchi | How can i make in sort that when i create a new user, his home is not readable be everyone without manually chmod'ing it? |
| 20:47.59 | stew | cmdln: so the root= you are passing to the kenrel is the wrong device |
| 20:48.09 | stew | itchi: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
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| 20:48.18 | itchi | stew: Thanks! |
| 20:49.41 | itchi | stew: So this it modify the /etc/adduser.conf ? |
| 20:49.52 | itchi | bah, s/it// |
| 20:49.57 | cmdln | stew: I am passing it the exact same thing as the kernel that works |
| 20:50.02 | bolt | When the etch installer runs, it suggests to install "Default System" or somesuch, which contains a bunch of basic tools. Is there a package I can install at a later time which will select the same tools, or do I have to do it manually if I didn't select that option at install time? |
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| 20:50.35 | wols_ | bolt: tasksel |
| 20:50.38 | stew | cmdln: what are you passing? |
| 20:50.51 | cmdln | root=/dev/sda1 ro |
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| 20:51.12 | itchi | It's now DIR_MODE=0751 and i guess it's yes |
| 20:51.33 | bolt | wols_: I tried running tasksel, but it only lists "Desktop environment", "Web server" and such, in addition to "manual package selection". The Default System thing isn't on the list :/ |
| 20:51.36 | DawnLight | debian installer tells me "Scanning the mirror" for quite some time now. it doesn't seem to time out on that |
| 20:51.36 | itchi | Bah, i'm ways to tired. Cool it's near friday :-p Have a nice night guys |
| 20:51.56 | bolt | DawnLight: check console #4 |
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| 20:52.09 | bolt | DawnLight: (alt+f4) |
| 20:52.34 | hardwire | bolt: dick |
| 20:52.41 | vulture | bolt: You know, I know it's a serious suggestion - but it sounds like a bad Windows joke |
| 20:52.48 | hardwire | totally\ |
| 20:52.56 | bolt | hardwire: what the fuck? |
| 20:53.01 | hardwire | bolt: :) |
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| 20:53.27 | stew | hardwire: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. name calling isn't going to be tollerated here |
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| 20:54.26 | cmdln | any ideas stew ? |
| 20:55.43 | bolt | vulture: heh |
| 20:55.44 | bolt | DawnLight: any luck? |
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| 20:58.10 | bolt | When the etch installer runs, it suggests to install "Default System" or somesuch, which contains a bunch of basic tools. Is there a package I can install at a later time which will select the same tools, or do I have to do it manually if I didn't select that option at install time? I tried running tasksel, but it doesn't list that option anymore. |
| 20:58.10 | stew | cmdln: is /dev/sda1 a physical device? |
| 20:58.18 | valdyn | bolt: the default system is just all packages with Priority: standard i think, aptitude will install them i think, or you just pick them |
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| 20:58.53 | darren | I'm setting up a machine with a 30GB drive (OS) and two 500GB drives for backup. I'd like to use encrypted filesystems and LVM. Is it possible to set this all up using the installer, or should I just install the OS and setup the two 500GB drives after? |
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| 20:58.57 | Phenax | If I want to request a version-bump of software, would I e-mail to bugs or how would I go about that? |
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| 20:59.06 | stew | valdyn: (and priority: required) |
| 20:59.30 | valdyn | stew: right, but those should already be installed, no? |
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| 20:59.51 | stew | valdyn: yes, oh, i misread what was going on |
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| 21:00.31 | pp | is ther an equiv of Gentoo's /etc/env.d or am i supposed to just hack ~/.bashrc? |
| 21:00.44 | valdyn | pp: to do what? |
| 21:00.45 | pp | eg, to add PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 21:00.49 | pp | add to |
| 21:01.02 | cmdln | It just does not make sense. I started out on an opteron. Created a VM with vmware server and installed i386. I copied it to my laptop (core2 duo), booted it with vmware workstation successfully. Compile new kernel on the laptop vm, boot to it successfully. copy deb to vm on opteron machine, install and try to boot to it with no luck ... cant find root fs. But I can boot the the originally installed kernel with no issue and it po |
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| 21:01.12 | valdyn | pp: /etc/environment ? |
| 21:01.15 | pp | valdyn: thx |
| 21:01.23 | pp | valdyn: empty here, i'll google :0 |
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| 21:01.38 | themill | pp: /etc/profile.d/ |
| 21:01.47 | valdyn | pp: such things are probably better stored in your ~/ |
| 21:01.55 | stew | cmdln: does "/dev/sda1" exist? |
| 21:01.59 | valdyn | pp: i.e. mess with global config as few as possible. |
| 21:02.30 | cmdln | stew: I dont see how it wouldnt. |
| 21:02.33 | valdyn | themill: then it's not used in x terminals |
| 21:02.42 | valdyn | themill: or not necessarily even |
| 21:02.42 | cmdln | stew: unless it magically moves with this new kernel |
| 21:03.23 | stew | cmdln: is /dev/sda1 a physical device? or would it be emulated? |
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| 21:03.50 | cmdln | stew: its a vmdk so emulated |
| 21:04.20 | stew | cmdln: and so then somewhere /dev/sda1 /dev/sda is mapped to some file? or some partition or something? |
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| 21:05.04 | stew | cmdln: when it fails to boot, does it dump you into busybox? |
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| 21:05.55 | cmdln | if I wait a few minutes I think it will |
| 21:06.26 | stew | cmdln: does /dev/sda1 exist? |
| 21:06.37 | gaurish | Hi folks, i was using ubuntu for past few months & then swicthed to fedora 7 but i like only the debian way so i am trying pure debian :) |
| 21:06.41 | cmdln | im waiting to be dropped to a shell |
| 21:07.23 | gaurish | its just a hour left for my download to finish, 1 gb more to download :) |
| 21:07.57 | themill | valdyn: set them to be a login shell ;) (I've never understood why they're not by default anyway) |
| 21:08.08 | pp | gaurish: you kow you can download like, 30 mb of stuff and download the rest as you choose to install it? |
| 21:08.22 | pp | gaurish: just find a minimal recovery CD with network drivers, and read a debootstrap tutorial |
| 21:08.35 | stew | gaurish: why are you downloading that much? |
| 21:08.43 | gaurish | pp nopes i downloaded the first DVD |
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| 21:09.04 | gaurish | stew, sorry its my ignorance |
| 21:09.10 | pp | gaurish: theres a variety of debian-produced mini installer discs as well. mainly im too lazy to burn one so i jsut use a knoppix or something... |
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| 21:09.21 | |adrian| | can i get some help with vmware on lenny |
| 21:09.22 | |adrian| | ??? |
| 21:09.38 | pp | |adrian|: is that even in non-free? |
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| 21:10.11 | |adrian| | nope |
| 21:10.12 | cmdln | stew: I dont see any hard disks |
| 21:10.14 | karsten | |adrian|: You can try asking here, I'd recommend #vmware though. |
| 21:10.16 | |adrian| | i installed it |
| 21:10.24 | |adrian| | it runs perfectly |
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| 21:10.26 | gaurish | i just finishing downloading of first dvd do i have download other two dvd as well to complete installation?? |
| 21:10.36 | |adrian| | but no network for guest os |
| 21:10.41 | bipolar | Does anyone know of an option for either an NFS export (server side) or NFS mount (client side) that would force all new file creation to have the inital permissions of 660? |
| 21:10.45 | Ronin | gaurish: no in fact if you have a high speed isp you didnt even need that |
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| 21:11.20 | |adrian| | on debian etch i have a fully functional vmware witjh network for guests |
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| 21:11.42 | gaurish | Ronin, i have a 2 Mbps connection is this enough for i need more faster? |
| 21:11.54 | |adrian| | it runs ok on 2.6.18 |
| 21:12.13 | pocukrani | |adrian|, i think you must push some of F1-F9 button when you run |
| 21:12.13 | SmallR2002 | gaurish, for updating? |
| 21:12.14 | wols_ | gaurish: you only need a single cd or dvd to install |
| 21:12.23 | Eulex | gaurish, that will do. |
| 21:12.26 | wols_ | and 2Mbit is plenty fast enough for debian |
| 21:12.36 | SmallR2002 | i remember running debian on 56k |
| 21:12.40 | gaurish | thanks a lot guys |
| 21:12.41 | SmallR2002 | /sigh |
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| 21:12.46 | SmallR2002 | those were the days :) |
| 21:12.51 | pp | yeah. 3 or 4 floppies to install |
| 21:12.52 | pp | net inst |
| 21:13.02 | gaurish | replies appreciated |
| 21:13.14 | SmallR2002 | don't you miss the days when you could actually read make output? |
| 21:13.24 | pp | SmallR2002: huh? i still can |
| 21:13.36 | SmallR2002 | goes past me too fast :~/ |
| 21:13.39 | carmen | oh, ic |
| 21:13.44 | carmen | use c++ then |
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| 21:14.00 | gaurish | well i have used a debian based distro but never just debian in true sense, i am excited |
| 21:14.20 | |adrian| | so guys any ideea how make vmare work completly on latest kernel?? |
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| 21:14.38 | cmdln | |adrian|: whats your problem with vmware? |
| 21:14.45 | carmen | |adrian|: you proably need to build a kernel module, so you need the headers for your kernel version , etc |
| 21:14.46 | |adrian| | patching the vmnet.tar not working |
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| 21:14.58 | gaurish | can you guide what things i should know in order to run debain successfully ? |
| 21:15.05 | carmen | |adrian|: google m-a and make-kpkg |
| 21:15.05 | testergg | Hi All, we have a couple of web servers that are load balanced, can anyone suggest a log consolidation solution (we use vhosts) for apache2? |
| 21:15.05 | |adrian| | i don`t have network fost guest |
| 21:15.15 | cmdln | I have vmware working with 2.6.22.6 |
| 21:15.20 | |adrian| | it`s a common bug |
| 21:15.26 | stiv2k_ | anyone use network-manager applet with 'sid' ? |
| 21:15.30 | |adrian| | wireless? |
| 21:15.43 | cmdln | wireless with nat |
| 21:15.43 | stew | stiv2k_: lots of people do |
| 21:15.47 | |adrian| | it work fine on 2.6.18 |
| 21:15.55 | stiv2k_ | stew: i'm having trouble with it |
| 21:15.55 | |adrian| | not working for me |
| 21:15.57 | cmdln | i havent had wireless bridging working for years |
| 21:16.01 | carmen | |adrian|: ati drivers, nvidia driver,s and vmware are notorious for only worknig with latest version -0.0.1 or 0.0.2 (eg 2.6.22 when 2.6.23 is latest) |
| 21:16.04 | |adrian| | i spent ours on google |
| 21:16.09 | cmdln | there is a new any-any patch |
| 21:16.12 | cmdln | have you tried that? |
| 21:16.23 | |adrian| | everything workt for other not for me |
| 21:16.32 | |adrian| | dont` need to |
| 21:16.38 | wols_ | !tell gaurish abount grounding |
| 21:16.40 | |adrian| | i have latest vmaware |
| 21:16.52 | cmdln | I have vmware 6 workstation |
| 21:16.54 | |adrian| | it installs it self with no patch |
| 21:17.06 | cmdln | you still need to use the any any patch |
| 21:17.11 | cmdln | or at least i did |
| 21:17.14 | |adrian| | but it cat rezolve tcp/ip request |
| 21:17.16 | stiv2k_ | nm-applet refuses to connect to my network even though i'm giving it the correct WPA2-PSK key |
| 21:17.23 | stiv2k_ | it just keeps prompting me again and again to enter the key |
| 21:17.38 | gaurish | wols_, slow bot :P |
| 21:17.39 | abrotman | your caps lock is on! |
| 21:17.40 | cmdln | yeah I had that problem until i recompiled the modules with the new any-any patch |
| 21:17.43 | carmen | |adrian|: lsmod|Grep vm, is vmnet loaded? if not, fix that first |
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| 21:17.59 | stew | stiv2k_: have you looked at /var/log/syslog to see if there are any meaningful errors? |
| 21:18.00 | |adrian| | is loaded |
| 21:18.20 | |adrian| | on nat is looks like it make`s tranfer |
| 21:18.26 | SmallR2002 | |adrian|, i have issues with some usb devices and vmware, virtualbox seems to be OK |
| 21:18.32 | nn-main | yay |
| 21:18.34 | nn-main | !moo |
| 21:18.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:18.41 | cmdln | |adrian|: so nat does or does not work? |
| 21:18.41 | gaurish | !tell about grounding |
| 21:18.46 | |adrian| | nope |
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| 21:18.52 | wols_ | !tell gaurish about selftell |
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| 21:19.01 | wols_ | !tell gaurish about grounding |
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| 21:19.10 | |adrian| | so i`m stuck with etch now |
| 21:19.15 | cmdln | |adrian|: all I can think of is to try the new any-any patch. |
| 21:19.19 | cmdln | Cause I am running sid |
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| 21:19.42 | |adrian| | well the latest vmware workstation |
| 21:19.48 | stew | stiv2k_: can you get wpa_supplicant to connect without nm-applet? |
| 21:19.53 | |adrian| | i downloaded it |
| 21:23.22 | stiv2k_ | stew: yes thats how im currently connected |
| 21:23.22 | |adrian| | it compiles the modules with no errors |
| 21:23.22 | |adrian| | ipw220bg wireless card |
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| 21:23.22 | |adrian| | please paste o complete forum thread and i`ll try again |
| 21:23.23 | |adrian| | if not i`ll be running stable for ever:))) |
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| 21:23.23 | cmdln | |adrian|: I am also running the latest workstation. Unless a new one came out in the last several days |
| 21:23.23 | DawnLight | i can add cdroms with apt-cdrom. how can i remove them? |
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| 21:23.23 | gaurish | wols_, Points noted :) |
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| 21:23.23 | abrotman | DawnLight: comment out the line in the sources.list and run aptitude update |
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| 21:23.25 | DawnLight | abrotman: oh thanks friend, i get it |
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| 21:23.45 | helo | i have /usr/lib/libfbclient.so.2 linked to libfbclient.so.2.0.3... but when i -lfbclient, it just says it can't find -lfbclient... i tried running ldconfig again to no avail... i'm linking to several other libs (some in /usr/lib as well) without issue |
| 21:24.15 | dmenor | . |
| 21:24.15 | helo | any clues? |
| 21:24.26 | wols_ | libfbclient.so |
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| 21:24.43 | valdyn | helo: why didn't you install the -dev package? |
| 21:24.56 | abrotman | valdyn: be a -dev barbie |
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| 21:26.56 | helo | valdyn: i'm not making any changes to libfbclient, i'm just linking with it |
| 21:27.08 | valdyn | helo: that is what the -dev package is for |
| 21:27.33 | valdyn | helo: oh and while we are at that, don't mess with /usr content, that'll just fuck up your debian install |
| 21:27.35 | helo | so despite the package being called "libfbclient2", i have to install the -dev to use libfbclient.so? |
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| 21:28.26 | Eulex | helo, how are you planning to use any functions in it without having header files? |
| 21:28.36 | haru | anyone know how to fix the gzip error in aptitude update ??? |
| 21:28.49 | stew | helo: for runtime instead of compiling |
| 21:29.18 | DawnLight | i'd like to have flash-nonfree working |
| 21:29.19 | haru | anyone know how to fix the gzip error in aptitude update ??? i.e. Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) for a certain file.. |
| 21:29.29 | valdyn | which interfaces does it implement? odbc? |
| 21:29.51 | Eulex | haru, try another mirror? |
| 21:29.56 | DawnLight | haru: that isn't supposed to happen |
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| 21:30.22 | Spyro_boy | hello. |
| 21:30.50 | haru | DawnLight, Eulex : :( i am using the main servers :S |
| 21:30.53 | Spyro_boy | I've got a question: when installing Debian, it asks to install addition "locales." What's the advantage to selecting more or less locales? |
| 21:31.21 | valdyn | i cant see a -dev package for libfbclient |
| 21:31.28 | valdyn | !find libfbclient |
| 21:31.42 | DawnLight | haru/Eulex: noise in connection? |
| 21:31.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libfbclient' (3): (/usr/lib/{libfbclient.so.2|libfbclient.so.2.0.3}) in libs/libfbclient2 ;; (/usr/lib/{libfbclient.so.1|libfbclient.so.1.5.4}) in libs/libfbclient1 ;; (/usr/lib/libfbclient.so) in libdevel/firebird1.5-dev,libdevel/firebird2.0-dev. |
| 21:32.03 | valdyn | helo: i would guess its firebird2.0-dev |
| 21:32.06 | haru | DawnLight, been happening for a long time now .. i think its cached and doesnt updat |
| 21:32.13 | haru | and aptitude clean doesnt fix it either |
| 21:32.17 | valdyn | helo: but that's kind of not fitting to standard debian naming |
| 21:32.27 | haru | the same source works fine on another system i have |
| 21:32.37 | DawnLight | haru/Eulex: did you install the correct architecture? |
| 21:33.01 | Eulex | haru, remove the cached .deb to make apt-get redownload it? |
| 21:33.08 | Eulex | DawnLight, I'm not the one needing help. |
| 21:33.14 | haru | Eulex, dont u mean gzip? |
| 21:33.24 | Spyro_boy | Are there any advantages to selecting more locales? Ie. will I have support to view japanese web sites if I select japanese? |
| 21:33.26 | haru | tho i have no idea where aptitude saves it |
| 21:33.40 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: no, locales has nothing to do with that |
| 21:33.45 | haru | DawnLight, yes |
| 21:33.49 | Spyro_boy | Fair enough. |
| 21:33.53 | Spyro_boy | Thanks for the respond. |
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| 21:34.04 | Eulex | haru, I mean exactly what I'm saying; remove the cached .deb file of the package that fails to unpack. |
| 21:34.14 | DawnLight | haru: is is etch? |
| 21:34.33 | haru | Eulex, gzip extracts .deb files too? |
| 21:34.40 | haru | btw where does aptitude cache them? |
| 21:34.56 | Eulex | haru, no, the .deb files contain gzipped file(s). |
| 21:35.00 | Spyro_boy | maybe? /var/apt/cache |
| 21:35.14 | Spyro_boy | Rather, /var/cache/apt/ |
| 21:35.17 | Eulex | almost; /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:35.23 | DawnLight | haru: is the system otherwise stable? |
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| 21:35.36 | helo | i was playing some music over my samba share with amarok, then tried to burn some mp3s using k3b from the same share, and both programs hung hard, as do any attempts to ls /media/mp3 |
| 21:36.05 | haru | DawnLight, very much yes :) |
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| 21:37.05 | marc7 | anything you guys can recommend that I can run on my system that can give the operating system a chance to generate enough entropy for gnupg to create a set of keys? |
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| 21:38.33 | DawnLight | haru: does this happen with any package? |
| 21:38.46 | wols_ | marc7: disk i/o should do it |
| 21:38.46 | ke5lst | hello heloo, i had a cli system and installed x on it with gnome. everything works great except that the screen will never shut off... ive set the screensaver to turn off and it doesnt do it, i install acpi stuff and nothing.. anyone help? |
| 21:39.03 | haru | DawnLight, it happens while downloading the package list, i.e. aptitude update |
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| 21:39.59 | testergg | Does anyone have experience installing mod_log_spread on etch? |
| 21:40.27 | DawnLight | haru: whats the arror? |
| 21:40.36 | marc7 | wols: thanks, persistence in that area paid off |
| 21:40.55 | haru | DawnLight, gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 21:41.13 | haru | DawnLight, http://pastebin.ca/733523 |
| 21:41.25 | DawnLight | haru: does gzip work otherwise? |
| 21:41.33 | haru | yes |
| 21:41.59 | valdyn | uh? trying to gunzip a .deb ? |
| 21:42.01 | DawnLight | does stdin work otherwise? |
| 21:42.05 | valdyn | try 'ar' |
| 21:42.16 | valdyn | or dpkg -x |
| 21:42.31 | haru | valdyn, i am not trying to gzip a deb.. i am using aptitude update |
| 21:42.34 | ke5lst | ne1 know what controlls the screen bieng shut off, i thought it was dpms |
| 21:43.16 | valdyn | haru: and you're askign for ubuntu support in the wrong channel |
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| 21:43.40 | haru | valdyn, i thought aptitude was common to both :).. any who i saw this problem with debian too |
| 21:44.39 | DawnLight | valdyn: how did you know? |
| 21:44.45 | winge-d_angel | hi there, I've been using ubuntu for about a year, but have experienced one serious problem with it: the fact that I have to wait 6 months to upgrade any software. I was wondering, does debian also enforce that rule (new versions only in a distribution upgrade) or do the debian repos get constantly upgraded? |
| 21:44.55 | valdyn | DawnLight: his paste is about feisty |
| 21:45.00 | haru | DawnLight, it says us.archive.ubuntu.com in pastebin |
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| 21:45.16 | haru | that too |
| 21:45.46 | valdyn | haru: you could ask for a proper /etc/apt/sources.list in #ubuntu and run 'apt-get clean' anyway |
| 21:46.11 | DawnLight | haru: you can switch to debian |
| 21:46.19 | helo | hehe |
| 21:46.22 | haru | valdyn, ohh i know changing the source.list will fix it.. but what really is problematic is apt-clean doesnt fix it |
| 21:46.32 | haru | DawnLight, i had this problem with debian too :0 |
| 21:46.34 | bl4q | is it possible to interleave if cases in a bash? |
| 21:46.34 | haru | :)* |
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| 21:46.57 | DawnLight | haru: on the same box? |
| 21:46.59 | wols_ | haru: then come back when actually have the problem in debian |
| 21:47.05 | valdyn | haru: its not supposed to fix it |
| 21:47.07 | haru | DawnLight, another one :( |
| 21:47.16 | valdyn | haru: apt-get clean cleans packages, not package lists |
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| 21:47.23 | DawnLight | haru: then you may be doing something kinky |
| 21:47.23 | helo | mean to the non-debanites :) |
| 21:47.35 | haru | valdyn, so is there a way to clean package lists? |
| 21:47.51 | valdyn | haru: those are overwrite when you run apt-get update |
| 21:48.05 | valdyn | haru: but you are downloading crap, that gzip cant unpack |
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| 21:48.15 | haru | aha, except this broken download keeps from overwriting |
| 21:48.20 | valdyn | haru: so use different mirrors, see #ubuntu |
| 21:48.24 | haru | valdyn, makes a lot more sense |
| 21:48.27 | haru | valdyn, thanks |
| 21:48.31 | DawnLight | haru: one way may be to comment out all the sources and update |
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| 21:49.47 | haru | DawnLight, wols_ same thing on debian.. http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7154 |
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| 21:50.10 | trifler | If i would like to set up a quake3 server on a debian comp is this the channel to ask for info? :) |
| 21:50.31 | winge-d_angel | hi there, I've been using ubuntu for about a year, but have experienced one serious problem with it: the fact that I have to wait 6 months to upgrade any software. I was wondering, does debian also enforce that rule (new versions only in a distribution upgrade) or do the debian repos get constantly upgraded? |
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| 21:50.54 | valdyn | haru: people know this issue, its nothing new, use different mirrors |
| 21:51.03 | haru | haii |
| 21:51.11 | DawnLight | trifler: do you have any idea on how to get started? |
| 21:52.31 | DawnLight | winge-d_angel: stable gets only security and critical updates. testing is updated constantly but isn't as stable |
| 21:52.41 | valdyn | winge-d_angel: in debian its more like 2 years |
| 21:52.55 | winge-d_angel | valdyn, woah... |
| 21:53.14 | winge-d_angel | DawnLight, does ubuntu then take upstream from debian testing? |
| 21:53.22 | valdyn | winge-d_angel: ask them |
| 21:53.37 | DawnLight | yes, ask them. i don't know |
| 21:53.47 | helo | i heard ubuntu takes it the butt |
| 21:54.06 | DawnLight | you mean up the butt? |
| 21:54.15 | winge-d_angel | thats not really my question though, DawnLight answered my question |
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| 21:54.38 | winge-d_angel | DawnLight, just for interests sake, what do you run? |
| 21:54.39 | helo | i hate it when i ruin an already 'challenged' joke with a typo |
| 21:55.02 | abrotman | winge-d_angel: in debian we have stable/testing/unstable. testing and unstable are not fixed(though testing slows before release) .. unstable is NOT meant for normal users |
| 21:55.13 | bl4q | is it possible to interleave if cases in a bash (if blabla; then if blabla; then else blabla fi else blabla fi)? |
| 21:55.23 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 21:55.29 | DawnLight | takes so long to install debian in a pentium ii |
| 21:55.30 | graytron | i know some abnormal users |
| 21:55.41 | valdyn | bl4q: sure |
| 21:55.48 | bl4q | valdyn: ty |
| 21:55.58 | bl4q | abrotman: ok I'll do next time - sry |
| 21:56.02 | DawnLight | winge-d_angel: debian |
| 21:56.07 | helo | make sure you do your homework before asking in #bash, they are smart and mean ;) |
| 21:56.08 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, ah ok... so its like arch on gentoo :-D thats sort of what im looking for... thanks |
| 21:56.29 | abrotman | winge-d_angel: though IIRC .. ubuntu has the same kind of thing where you can track a flowing distro |
| 21:56.41 | abrotman | though you'd have to ask them .. like maybe #ubuntu+1 or whatever it is |
| 21:56.43 | winge-d_angel | DawnLight, yeah, i guessed that (channel and all) I meant which (stable,testing,unstable) |
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| 21:56.59 | DawnLight | winge-d_angel: stable |
| 21:57.13 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, thanks loads, i had no idea that debian/ubuntu did that... you've pointed me in the right direction! |
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| 21:58.39 | DawnLight | winge-d_angel: i think that this is the worst thing about debian. the slow release cycle. i am almost tempted to switch to testing now and then but i never do it :) |
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| 21:59.37 | winge-d_angel | DawnLight, yeah, i find it the worst thing about ubuntu (and thats only 6 months)... i've just come from gentoo testing though (where you get the stuff 2-3 days after release) so i think thats the problem... |
| 21:59.37 | valdyn | DawnLight: why don't you install whatever in a chroot - that way you can have both, with a solid foundation. |
| 22:00.23 | s4xxon | hello, when i did try to upgrade my packages, i did get this: The following packages have been kept back: (listing files here) . 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 382 not upgraded. |
| 22:00.31 | abrotman | winge-d_angel: if you want bleeding edge .. gentoo might be the best choice for you |
| 22:00.31 | s4xxon | why didnt my system upgrade all those files ? |
| 22:00.43 | valdyn | s4xxon: read the manpage |
| 22:00.44 | themill | s4xxon: are you running sarge? |
| 22:00.52 | abrotman | s4xxon: is this a sarge box? are your sources pointing at stable ? |
| 22:00.56 | s4xxon | debian testing |
| 22:01.03 | abrotman | s4xxon: man aptitude .. see dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.07 | abrotman | and then brace yourself |
| 22:01.12 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, gentoo is dangerous to your health though... especially your sanity... its why i left |
| 22:01.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:01.27 | s4xxon | i have done the dist-upgrade when i newly did change from stable to testing |
| 22:01.32 | abrotman | winge-d_angel: until you're familiar with debian .. i'd recommend staying away from unstable |
| 22:01.38 | themill | s4xxon: without being rude... you shouldn't be running testing if (a) you don't already know the answer and (b) you don't know how to find out the answer yourself. |
| 22:01.48 | abrotman | how rude! |
| 22:01.52 | s4xxon | i dont think i need a dist upgrade again |
| 22:02.31 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, i think id fall under testing... not unstable... |
| 22:03.21 | helo | i'm out, later all |
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| 22:03.37 | alex_qwe | hello |
| 22:03.42 | themill | s4xxon: when did you do that dist-upgrade? |
| 22:03.58 | s4xxon | 3 months ago, since then i wasnt using my computer |
| 22:04.06 | alex_qwe | what are minimal hardware requirements for etch |
| 22:04.08 | alex_qwe | ? |
| 22:04.15 | s4xxon | now i wanted to upgrade the packages that i have allready installed, and i got those 300+ packages to upgrade |
| 22:04.26 | themill | s4xxon: testing is a moving target. There will be new/update packages almost every day. |
| 22:04.30 | alex_qwe | my netinst disc freeze on boot |
| 22:05.00 | themill | !tell s4xxon about testing |
| 22:05.31 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, hehe, the ubuntu guys just bounced me back into here, saying that i should do debian testing... i think thats my next step |
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| 22:05.43 | DawnLight | valdyn: chroot? i don't know enough about it. where can i learn about what you're suggesting? |
| 22:05.51 | DawnLight | !chroot |
| 22:05.51 | dpkg | from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 22:06.07 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 22:06.07 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 22:06.36 | valdyn | DawnLight: debootstrap is in debian, no need to compile anything |
| 22:06.47 | s4xxon | themill, honestly those links dont really answer to my question |
| 22:06.53 | abrotman | winge-d_angel: okay ... /msg dpkg d-i .. /msg dpkg etch->lenny .. have fun |
| 22:07.04 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:07.12 | abrotman | uhm .. and they go in that order :) |
| 22:07.43 | winge-d_angel | wow the distro names are stranger then ubuntu's... who would have thought |
| 22:07.45 | abrotman | winge-d_angel: and stuff in debian may not be as automagic as ubuntu .. so be prepared for some manual intervention |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | winge-d_angel: /msg dpkg toy story |
| 22:07.50 | themill | s4xxon: what's your question? "why are there so many packages to upgrade?" or "how do I upgrade them?" |
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| 22:08.20 | s4xxon | why are they being kept back although i try to upgrade those packages, its normal after 3 months to have so many packages to be upgraded |
| 22:08.32 | beered | are sarge repo's closed? I can't apt get anything on my sarge box. |
| 22:09.00 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, being in gentoo has prepared me for all the hard manual cmd line work in the world :-D worry not |
| 22:09.02 | haru | valdyn, changing repo didnt help |
| 22:09.10 | winge-d_angel | abrotman, and thanks again |
| 22:09.10 | themill | s4xxon: you were told the answer: dist-upgrade... but you don't like that answer. That's why I gave you more information about what testing is... so you know why that is the correct answer. |
| 22:09.21 | haru | valdyn, had to delete everything in var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 22:09.31 | s4xxon | thought that this is needed just once, when going from stable to testing , |
| 22:09.39 | s4xxon | just read the same under: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 22:09.44 | themill | s4xxon: you were also told to man apt-get or man aptitude as to why that is necessary. |
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| 22:21.05 | dto | how do i make sure that eth1 is brought up on every boot? |
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| 22:21.43 | DawnLight | dto: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:21.55 | gkiagia | !interfaces |
| 22:21.55 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 22:22.22 | dto | ah! :-) |
| 22:25.00 | dto | would anyone like to see a screenshot of my new debian system? |
| 22:25.24 | zicho | yes, screenshots are always nice |
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| 22:26.11 | DawnLight | a screenshot! |
| 22:26.54 | dto | one moment |
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| 22:27.22 | bolt | i love screenshots |
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| 22:29.20 | zicho | If I have files that are accessible by anyone, and i edit the rights so that only root can access them, what happens if i try to reach them from windows? |
| 22:29.26 | doubleCow | Hi! I have been running a few servers for a while, which I and my friends use. I think I have got the hang of it, and I want to try and run a publically accessible shell server, where people can create an account (i'll write some kind of app for that) and snoop around. Is there any documentation available on securing debian enough for random people to have access to it? |
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| 22:31.19 | DawnLight | doubleCow: i'd like to think it is already secure enough for that. perhaps there is already such an app |
| 22:31.26 | interbird | doubleCow: One way would be to use chroot |
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| 22:31.30 | bolt | zicho: How are you trying to reach them from windows? |
| 22:31.41 | gkiagia | zicho: if you are dual-booting windows and windows can read your linux partition, then windows can access these files |
| 22:32.03 | wils0n__ | does windows have support for ext3 these days? |
| 22:32.10 | interbird | yes |
| 22:32.18 | wils0n__ | yay |
| 22:32.21 | interbird | ext2 at least |
| 22:32.21 | DawnLight | ext2 actually |
| 22:32.23 | wils0n__ | not native through, right? |
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| 22:32.31 | DawnLight | there is a driver |
| 22:32.33 | wils0n__ | eh, ext2 is good enough |
| 22:32.34 | zicho | gkiagia: so windows are not affected by debians file rights? |
| 22:32.38 | interbird | no journaling or uid or acls |
| 22:32.43 | wils0n__ | is it a stable driver? |
| 22:32.50 | DawnLight | seems like it |
| 22:33.03 | wils0n__ | I havne't dual booted in years.. |
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| 22:33.19 | wils0n__ | windows, it seems, is a waste of time :) |
| 22:33.19 | bolt | zicho: explain your setup, and we will be able to give a much more accurate answer |
| 22:33.25 | jelly-home | wils0n__: there are decent free drivers for ext2 (www.fs-driver.org for example). There are commercial drivers for ext3 that I personally have no experience with. |
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| 22:34.33 | interbird | touch windows from linux ok, but touch linux from windows? nah, no me |
| 22:34.34 | afaict | heelloo folks |
| 22:35.01 | dto | ok folks here's my screenie: http://dto.freeshell.org/images/shot.png |
| 22:35.03 | bolt | !greet afaict |
| 22:35.03 | dpkg | Hi there, afaict |
| 22:35.12 | gkiagia | zicho: windows do not know anything about posix permissions on files so they access anything if they have physical access to the partition (that is to say, not over a network or something) |
| 22:35.23 | jelly-home | wils0n__: fs-driver.org explicitely states no support for ext3 features like dir_index. I've had mild filesystem corruption after I ignored the warnings in its documentation. |
| 22:35.47 | bolt | dto: ooh. that looks nice. what are you running there? |
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| 22:36.06 | afaict | after the last debian upgrade using unstable I'm been warned when I type ldconfig: /usr/lib/libform.so.5 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic byte s at the start. |
| 22:36.12 | dto | bolt: GNU Emacs, stumpwm, dzen, with terminus fonts |
| 22:36.14 | hyde | what's the command to clean up the statistics for ifconfig command output for one interface? |
| 22:36.15 | gkiagia | what a geeky window manager! ;) |
| 22:36.36 | afaict | but this isn't only with libform. it happen with libmenu, libpanel... |
| 22:36.44 | dto | i'm trying to create a custom debian-based distro or meta-config for this machine: http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html |
| 22:36.52 | cafuego | Well, it's unstable, probably a bug eh. |
| 22:37.02 | hardwire | blah |
| 22:37.03 | afaict | cafuego that's ok . but i want trace it... |
| 22:37.14 | DawnLight | dto: what lets you have multiple screens? |
| 22:37.24 | dto | i'm building a small network of 3 debian machines. |
| 22:37.27 | afaict | cafuego i never 'play' with ldconfig. |
| 22:37.28 | jelly-home | afaict: do all the libraries come from the same package (or package source, those sound like xfce)? |
| 22:37.32 | dto | DawnLight: wait, can you rephrase? |
| 22:37.43 | dto | anyway, what do people use to run little debian networks? cfengine? |
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| 22:38.33 | afaict | jelly-home the last update before this one I used one mirror. Now i had to change the mirror because the last one is closed. |
| 22:38.34 | cafuego | dto: ssh, about to give puppet a go, as cfengine is supposedly absolutely horrible. |
| 22:38.34 | DawnLight | dto: the screenshot. i can see multiple programs spanning across the screen. how do you do that? |
| 22:38.34 | jelly-home | afaict: do the files pass debsums? |
| 22:38.40 | afaict | jelly-home yea |
| 22:38.52 | dto | cafuego: yeah i was starting to realize that about cfengine |
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| 22:39.07 | cafuego | !info puppet etch |
| 22:39.07 | jelly-home | afaict: which arch? |
| 22:39.12 | dpkg | puppet: (centralised configuration management for networks), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.20.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 1916 kB |
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| 22:39.48 | cafuego | dto: pretty much all admins I know who maintain up to hundreds of boxes are very excited about puppet. |
| 22:40.09 | hardwire | it looks neat |
| 22:40.21 | afaict | jelly-home now that's the problem. I installed debian in a x86 machine and right now I'm using kernel amd64 but with all packages x86. But it always worked |
| 22:40.26 | dto | what is puppet written in? |
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| 22:40.32 | DawnLight | dto: nice equipment! can i hear some of your music? |
| 22:40.35 | bolt | dto: nice setup. really. |
| 22:40.37 | hardwire | dto: ruby it appears |
| 22:40.39 | dto | DawnLight: let me find something |
| 22:40.42 | jelly-home | afaict: so it's i386, nevermind the kernel |
| 22:40.43 | dto | thanks everyone :-) |
| 22:40.51 | afaict | jelly-home ok. ;) |
| 22:41.25 | DawnLight | stay away from those! |
| 22:41.26 | jelly-home | dunno, if I had to guess based on your and another user's complaint with similar issues about libtic.so.5 earlier today. Could be one buildd server is having hardware problems and generating buggy files...? |
| 22:41.49 | dto | DawnLight: the whole screen is Emacs except for the top line with the cpu bar |
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| 22:42.08 | afaict | jelly-home i would like to reinstall the packages i've upgraded right now. how can i do that using apt ? |
| 22:42.12 | cafuego | dto: ruby |
| 22:42.19 | jae | Anyone have fglrx working in unstable? Maybe I'm too dumb, but I only see a Conflict... :P |
| 22:42.20 | jelly-home | afaict: apt-get --reinstall install packagename |
| 22:42.28 | dto | DawnLight: http://dto.twu.net/thedivinepersonality.ogg |
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| 22:42.34 | afaict | jelly-home but i will need to define every package... |
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| 22:43.03 | streuner | cafuego: How is life today? |
| 22:43.08 | cafuego | streuner: Awful |
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| 22:43.32 | cafuego | I have this misbehaving postfix box that's refusing to clear 300-odd urgent emails for no apparent rason. |
| 22:43.52 | afaict | jelly-home some minutes ago I had to open my filesystem in another machine. when i upgraded it crashed libncurses and i wasn't able to open /bin/bash |
| 22:43.54 | jelly-home | afaict: nothing that a quick grep | awk over aptitude or dpkg log couldn't do |
| 22:44.06 | afaict | jelly-home yeap. i'm doing it right now. ;) |
| 22:44.09 | streuner | cafuego: sounds like a question for #postfix |
| 22:44.19 | petemc | why? |
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| 22:44.28 | streuner | cafuego: ^^^ |
| 22:44.37 | cafuego | streuner: Forcing 'em through a relay now, 2 at a time.. see how we go. (upstream speed on-site isn't that great) |
| 22:45.07 | cafuego | though i should check why it completely ignores all concurrency limits I set |
| 22:45.20 | petemc | with exim, you can use exim -d -M msgid to see why it wont deliver |
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| 22:45.59 | cafuego | and with postfix it tells you in the log and via mailq, however "timed out" isn't particularly useful. |
| 22:47.38 | streuner | there should be something similar |
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| 22:48.17 | streuner | petemc: oh, i thought you are usually in #postfix not in #exim... |
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| 22:51.20 | lockheed0 | +x |
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| 22:52.17 | petemc | streuner: i know very little about postfix, been using exim for a while |
| 22:52.27 | streuner | ic |
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| 22:57.01 | afaict | i would like to know who owns libform.so.5 .. what application uses this library |
| 22:57.05 | karsten | How do you delete a RAID device created w/ 'mdadm --create' ? |
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| 22:57.25 | streuner | afaict: dpkg -S <file> |
| 22:57.25 | petemc | afaict: dpkg -S |
| 22:57.29 | karsten | afaict: dpkg -S <filename> |
| 22:57.33 | petemc | wee |
| 22:57.34 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:57.45 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 22:58.36 | afaict | thanks people |
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| 22:59.01 | streuner | themill: i love you too ;-) |
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| 23:00.18 | afaict | libncurses5 owns libform... o.O ... and it has wrong magic bytes.. =\ |
| 23:00.36 | afaict | i will change mirror of debian and reinstall libncurses |
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| 23:01.15 | streuner | usually a wrong packet, just re-install |
| 23:01.22 | streuner | (that package, of couse) |
| 23:01.31 | streuner | s/couse/course/ |
| 23:02.09 | DawnLight | at boot debian turns off acpi/fan/FAN1. thatsmy cpu fan. why would it do that? |
| 23:02.39 | DawnLight | ahimsa please! |
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| 23:03.24 | themill | DawnLight: it probably thinks your cpu isn't hot enough to justify having the fan on. If you can't cook your eggs on it yet, it's not hot enough.... |
| 23:03.45 | jelly-home | DawnLight: it's cold enough not to need the fan working? |
| 23:04.33 | themill | DawnLight: acpi -V |
| 23:04.52 | DawnLight | themill: i'll go through /proc/acpi. jelly-home: it is very cold. should i take the ventilation off of it and see if it lets it fry? |
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| 23:05.43 | karsten | cafuego: What's the point? |
| 23:05.43 | DawnLight | themill: Thermal 1: ok, 43.0 degrees C |
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| 23:05.49 | cafuego | themill: Though i do realise I should have said that here, for maximum impact. |
| 23:05.54 | jelly-home | DawnLight: temp sensors work? |
| 23:06.03 | themill | DawnLight: that's nice and cool for a processor these days |
| 23:06.10 | themill | (depending on the processor...) |
| 23:06.15 | DawnLight | pentium ii |
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| 23:06.30 | DawnLight | lm-sensors not installed |
| 23:07.06 | cafuego | 43 is a touch on the high side for an idle p2, if the ambient temp isn't too high. |
| 23:07.51 | DawnLight | omg, i'm sorry, i've typed that in the wrong box. acpi -V in the RELEVANT box is a command not found |
| 23:07.53 | themill | cafuego: what's to say it idle? it's just booted and he's busy watching pr0n... |
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| 23:08.48 | themill | just prodded an old P3 of mine... Temperature 0C... hmmmm i think not |
| 23:08.54 | streuner | cafuego: try "man postsuper" |
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| 23:10.18 | bolt | Right... I'm having the most un-debuggable problem ever... I have a box running a virtual machine server, which runs a guest server with Debian Etch on it. This problem appears when transferring files to the virtual guest machine. When I transfer a file using scp from a linux box, I get 4 megabytes a second and everything's fine. When I try the same with WinSCP from a windows machine, I get 300 kilobytes a second for about 10 seconds, then the enti |
| 23:10.18 | bolt | re virtual machine locks up for another 10 seconds, replying to absolutely nothing, then resumes as if nothing had happened. Where the heck should I start looking? |
| 23:11.07 | bolt | Note: the same happens wherether I'm using sftp or scp in winscp |
| 23:11.12 | jhulst | I have debian running on a machine and am trying to get crontab to work. I set it up but it doesn't run, this is my crontab, http://rafb.net/p/7XKwRK60.html, Any ideas for me to check? |
| 23:11.13 | themill | bolt: is winscp using zlib compression? |
| 23:11.29 | charasky | ahora si |
| 23:11.32 | charasky | solo en debian |
| 23:11.39 | claudio` | Just yes or no: is it convenient to switch on testing? |
| 23:11.41 | claudio` | :) |
| 23:11.53 | themill | bolt: just a random thought.... many winscp-like things do but openssh doesn't by default. |
| 23:11.53 | stew | !es |
| 23:11.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:12.10 | stew | claudio`: convinient to swicth what? |
| 23:12.17 | claudio` | stew: from etch to testing |
| 23:12.31 | claudio` | stew: aka Lenny :-P |
| 23:12.34 | stew | claudio`: yes, its not easy to switch back |
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| 23:12.50 | claudio` | stew: why should i switch back? |
| 23:12.53 | themill | claudio`: it's not a matter of convenience... it's a matter of long term maintenance. |
| 23:13.02 | claudio` | stew: i'll have to deal with broken packages? |
| 23:13.16 | claudio` | mmh |
| 23:13.18 | claudio` | themill: ok |
| 23:13.41 | claudio` | i think i'll stay on etch then. I have no problems (except a kernel bug). I'll build the kernel :\ |
| 23:14.00 | bolt | themill: that's a good idea, actually. trying to find out. |
| 23:14.07 | themill | claudio`: "easy" and "convenient" are two different vectors that are pretty close to orthogonal |
| 23:14.27 | themill | bolt: it might account for a different amount of cpu thrashing, that's all. |
| 23:14.38 | afaict | jelly-home seens that upgrading from another mirror worked! |
| 23:14.40 | claudio` | themill: also "easy" is a geneal concept while "convenient" is subjective. |
| 23:14.44 | claudio` | s/geneal/general |
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| 23:15.13 | claudio` | there is no convenience for me. |
| 23:15.16 | afaict | jelly-home it's finishing the upgrade right now... I'm using linux in a pendrive so all apt-get upgrades take a little while to finish |
| 23:15.47 | themill | claudio`: oohhh.. someone who's actually heard of the subjunctive. Welcome to a fairly elite club. :) |
| 23:15.57 | themill | gah |
| 23:16.02 | themill | now I can't even read |
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| 23:16.24 | themill | !g'night all |
| 23:16.29 | claudio` | lol |
| 23:16.35 | claudio` | 'night themill |
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| 23:17.19 | bolt | Right... I'm having the most un-debuggable problem ever... I have a box running a virtual machine server, which runs a guest server with Debian Etch on it. This problem appears when transferring files to the virtual guest machine. When I transfer a file using scp from a linux box, I get 4 megabytes a second and everything's fine. When I try the same with WinSCP from a windows machine, I get 300 kilobytes a second for about 10 seconds, then the enti |
| 23:17.19 | bolt | re virtual machine locks up for another 10 seconds, replying to absolutely nothing, then resumes as if nothing had happened. Where the heck should I start looking? |
| 23:17.33 | DawnLight | funny. my pii heatsink doesn't seem to get hot with no fan on |
| 23:17.40 | afaict | HEY FOLKS. |
| 23:17.42 | afaict | :-) |
| 23:18.11 | afaict | it worked now. I changed from one oficial mirror to another and worked ok the upgraded. I dont get ldconfig errors anymore |
| 23:18.28 | afaict | seens one oficial mirror of debian is broken |
| 23:18.47 | streuner | use another one |
| 23:19.03 | streuner | (another official) ;-) |
| 23:19.17 | afaict | streuner ok but it should be checked... o.O =/ |
| 23:19.24 | afaict | streuner i need to 'bug' report. |
| 23:19.30 | mikefoo | if I do a mysqldump | gzip > blah.sql - How would I get the exit status of the mysqldump? |
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| 23:19.45 | streuner | afaict: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:20.20 | afaict | streuner 2.6.1-5 |
| 23:20.35 | streuner | oh |
| 23:20.40 | |Slurpee| | i am going to configure an etch server at a location that has a slow internet connection. is there a way to download an installer with all the packages already downloaded ? |
| 23:20.42 | streuner | afaict: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:21.07 | jelly-home | mikefoo: depends on the shell... I don't think you can get status of first command easily, only gzip. #bash might know more detail. |
| 23:21.39 | Wooksta | how do i set the dns servers to use via the console? ive already edited /etc/network/interfaces so eth0 is setup with a static ip/netmask etc |
| 23:21.39 | |Slurpee| | maybe a really big install disc that would fit onto dvd ? |
| 23:21.53 | |Slurpee| | wooksta, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:22.00 | |Slurpee| | set your name severs there |
| 23:22.10 | Wooksta | slurpee, cheers |
| 23:22.23 | jhulst | No idea on my cron not running my job? cron is running in the background, crontab seems to be correct |
| 23:22.31 | streuner | |Slurpee|: did you read ig? |
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| 23:22.37 | |Slurpee| | ig ? |
| 23:22.41 | streuner | !ig |
| 23:22.41 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:22.55 | afaict | streuner ok. thanks... |
| 23:22.58 | afaict | bbye folks |
| 23:23.22 | Seb | simplest way to list the content of a deb file ? |
| 23:23.27 | Seb | the data part, that is |
| 23:23.39 | streuner | pdo? |
| 23:23.51 | _atula_ | what's the command to check my current kernel image? |
| 23:23.54 | DawnLight | Seb: perhaps dpkg can do that |
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| 23:24.02 | bolt | _atula_: uname -a |
| 23:24.04 | streuner | _atula_: cat /proc/version |
| 23:24.04 | Seb | no, any debian file, not necessarly one in the archive |
| 23:24.09 | _atula_ | thanks |
| 23:24.30 | DawnLight | Seb: dpkg can handle files |
| 23:24.32 | Seb | DawnLight: aaah, -c, yes ! |
| 23:24.35 | Seb | DawnLight: thanks a lot |
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| 23:24.43 | Seb | DawnLight: i was looking mroe for a dpkg-* binary |
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| 23:24.44 | |Slurpee| | uname -r is cool too |
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| 23:25.58 | anabain | I cannot see any videos, nor in vlc neither in kaffeine. The progs don't complain about codecs. I get sound, but no image. Any ideas? |
| 23:26.24 | azeem | anabain: did you run them from a terminal? |
| 23:26.28 | _atula_ | I keep getting the message: the following package has been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686. I am running kernel 2.6.18... any idea why this is happening? |
| 23:26.31 | azeem | sometimes, they only complain on the terminal |
| 23:26.40 | anabain | let's try |
| 23:26.54 | azeem | _atula_: run apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 to see why (but don't confirm) |
| 23:26.55 | DawnLight | _atula_: use aptitude |
| 23:27.46 | _atula_ | upgrade.... |
| 23:28.52 | anabain | azeem, vlc outputs this: [00000295] access_file access error: seeking too far |
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| 23:29.12 | anabain | and kaffeine this: 0 |
| 23:29.28 | azeem | anabain: and this happens on all videos? |
| 23:29.32 | anabain | yes |
| 23:29.40 | anabain | avi, mpg, etc |
| 23:31.20 | anabain | azeem, should I update codecs? |
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| 23:32.11 | azeem | no idea |
| 23:33.15 | |Slurpee| | i am going to configure an etch server at a location that has a slow internet connection. is there a way to download an installer with all the packages already downloaded ? |
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| 23:33.19 | mikes1 | anabain, mplayer work/ |
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| 23:34.56 | streuner | |Slurpee|: we already told you |
| 23:35.05 | streuner | |Slurpee|: Did you read ig yet? |
| 23:35.10 | anabain | mikes1, I don't know, I shall install it and check it, but I'm afraid it won't, 'cause videos don't work both in vlc and in kaffeine... weird! |
| 23:35.55 | Nyle | I wish to limit a pid to a certain cpu core. How can I accomplish this? |
| 23:36.26 | Nyle | a running pid that is of course |
| 23:36.37 | Nyle | something like renice, but with an option to say which core to use |
| 23:36.41 | Nyle | something like that anyway |
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| 23:37.20 | azeem | Nyle: why? |
| 23:37.33 | Nyle | azeem: doesn't matter. Can it be done? |
| 23:37.46 | DawnLight | debian starts with /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state being off and i don't like it one bit. help? |
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| 23:38.00 | azeem | Nyle: dunno |
| 23:38.06 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:38.07 | veritos | so what packages are installed when i install the package sets "laptop" or "desktop" when installing? |
| 23:38.27 | azeem | Nyle: I think you can do this while /writing/ applications, but you cannot force apps to do it |
| 23:38.31 | azeem | not sure though |
| 23:38.32 | DawnLight | veritos: desktop installs too much stuff |
| 23:38.57 | stew | veritos: "tasksel --task-packages desktop" will tell you |
| 23:39.22 | Nyle | azeem: hmm... that is a bit limiting |
| 23:39.55 | veritos | awesome, thanks. and does debian have any nice clean equivalent to slackware's "xwmconfig"? |
| 23:40.03 | azeem | Nyle: or hack the Linux scheduler |
| 23:40.09 | stew | veritos: what does xwmconfig do? |
| 23:40.16 | Nyle | which is probably beyond me |
| 23:40.25 | Nyle | i'll look into it a bit more |
| 23:40.26 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 23:40.29 | stew | hi |
| 23:40.35 | veritos | oh, right. chooses a window manager from all the environments: gnome, xfce, kde, wmaker, etc. |
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| 23:40.55 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 23:40.55 | dpkg | from memory, xwinman is http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 23:40.58 | Nyle | might help |
| 23:41.51 | stew | veritos: update-alternatives --config w-www-manager will change the default among whatever window managers you have installed. or install a DM (such as kdm/gdm) which would let you choose a wm to run at login time |
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| 23:42.36 | streuner | |Slurpee|: well, i would go for the 2 DVDs then |
| 23:42.39 | |Slurpee| | struener, i looked it over. there is a lot to read. |
| 23:42.46 | veritos | ok, thanks for the help. time to reinstall. |
| 23:42.49 | |Slurpee| | where is the 2 dvds? i can download very fast at my current location. |
| 23:42.57 | azeem | veritos: reinstall? |
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| 23:43.16 | veritos | azeem: i accidentally let it install the "desktop" task. |
| 23:43.35 | zoredache | DawnLight: if you just want to change the /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state at boot time you should be able to do that by updating /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 23:43.36 | azeem | I see |
| 23:43.37 | veritos | it's ok, i do it every 3 days on avg |
| 23:43.43 | azeem | uh |
| 23:43.53 | streuner | |Slurpee|: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
| 23:44.01 | veritos | i bounce distros a lot. |
| 23:44.25 | Tramp | Nyle: Mayby taskset from schedutils - found something like that when looking for sched_setaffinity |
| 23:44.34 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:44.37 | Nyle | yes affinity is what I mean |
| 23:44.41 | Nyle | i'll check it out thank you |
| 23:44.51 | stew | veritos: there is no reason to reinstall |
| 23:45.20 | streuner | |Slurpee|: you should learn how to search and find something on the web, its not only for that issue helpful |
| 23:45.26 | stew | veritos: you can run "tasksel --task-packages desktop" and decide which ones you didn't really want, then "aptitude remove package1 package2 package3..." |
| 23:45.28 | Tramp | Nyle: Or probably just write a tiny wrapper, set the affinity with this syscall and fork/exec... |
| 23:46.07 | veritos | stew--ok, thanks! |
| 23:46.17 | streuner | |Slurpee|: ig mention that too, please read something, otherwise you wouldnt have much fun with Debian or any other OS then |
| 23:46.26 | Nyle | the reason why I asking is that in windows (yeh i know) you can right click a process and set affinity. Linux, which is 'better' than windows in most respects, can't offer this simple functionality. This is beyond me |
| 23:46.33 | Nyle | really, this is shocking. |
| 23:46.46 | Guerin_ | Nyle: quick, implement it! |
| 23:46.52 | Nyle | Guerin_: im on it |
| 23:46.54 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:47.21 | Nyle | but out of millions of linux users worldwide, no one thought about this? or no one bothered to do anything about this? |
| 23:47.25 | Nyle | i mean... |
| 23:47.31 | Nyle | am I the only one? |
| 23:47.36 | Guerin_ | Nyle: nobody cared. Clearly. Else it would have been done. |
| 23:47.51 | Guerin_ | you are alone |
| 23:47.54 | Nyle | Guerin_: obviously, or maybe something does exist that can do it, and you just don't know about it |
| 23:47.55 | Guerin_ | crying in the wilderness |
| 23:47.56 | zoredache | or prehaps someone decided it was a bad idea |
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| 23:48.06 | valdyn | Nyle: you're right that there's probably no GUI for this |
| 23:48.06 | Nyle | Guerin_: nyc, hardly call it wilderness ;) |
| 23:48.12 | Nyle | valdyn: not gui |
| 23:48.14 | Guerin_ | zoredache: i can see how another running-as-root daemon could be that. |
| 23:48.14 | Nyle | just anything |
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| 23:48.20 | Nyle | valdyn: windows was just an example |
| 23:48.25 | Nyle | i care less for gui |
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| 23:48.30 | valdyn | Nyle: beyond that windows 'control' over this does not compare |
| 23:48.31 | Tramp | Probably it has been done a thousend times with C four-liners. |
| 23:48.44 | valdyn | Nyle: or smp capabilities in general |
| 23:49.10 | Nyle | this question was raised at work, with one of the xp morons (one of my techs) and I'm just trying to shut him up |
| 23:49.24 | anabain | mikes1, with mplayer I get some errors, one of them: "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec." Previously I get this too: [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid |
| 23:49.24 | anabain | [VO_TDFXFB] Can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory. |
| 23:49.24 | anabain | s3fb: can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 23:49.25 | valdyn | Nyle: maybe google linux cpu affinity |
| 23:49.31 | Nyle | valdyn: i have been |
| 23:49.34 | valdyn | Nyle: im not working anywhere i could need this |
| 23:49.42 | valdyn | Nyle: but im sure its supported |
| 23:49.43 | Nyle | valdyn: you misunderstand |
| 23:50.04 | dbe | valdyn: How are you? |
| 23:50.12 | valdyn | Nyle: do I? |
| 23:50.13 | Nyle | his thing is, xp can do it, microsoft owns. linux can't and it sucks. you know the drill, and i just want to shut up him for personal satisfaction |
| 23:50.16 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 23:50.28 | Nyle | shut him up* |
| 23:50.32 | Nyle | the coworker that is |
| 23:50.36 | streuner | you are very poor |
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| 23:50.41 | valdyn | Nyle: www.sgi.com has huge linux smp machines |
| 23:50.42 | evilbulgarian | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.48 | yetifoot | i just installed gcc 4.2, but when i do gcc --version it still reports 4.1.2, any ideas? |
| 23:50.49 | evilbulgarian | hi im getting that when i try to install g++ |
| 23:50.54 | streuner | Who cares about your personal satisfaction? |
| 23:51.06 | Nyle | ok, then proof of concept |
| 23:51.15 | valdyn | Nyle: or that http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html |
| 23:51.32 | valdyn | Nyle: that's 512 cpu machines... |
| 23:51.47 | DawnLight | zoredache: what do i put there? will "/proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state=on" do? |
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| 23:52.21 | DawnLight | dbe: i do |
| 23:52.33 | dbe | DawnLight: Oh really? |
| 23:52.40 | DawnLight | no doubt |
| 23:52.47 | mikes1 | anabain, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 23:52.49 | Nyle | streuner: I do. I am trying to get someone to see the light, that linux isn't a piece of shit |
| 23:52.51 | dbe | DawnLight: From what? |
| 23:52.53 | valdyn | Nyle: 512 itanium2 dual core |
| 23:52.54 | DawnLight | i know where you live |
| 23:53.01 | Nyle | valdyn: holy moly |
| 23:53.04 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 23:53.18 | Nyle | streuner: to some people that is important. |
| 23:53.26 | dbe | DawnLight: Did you and I have a little discussion about ethical/moreal systems? |
| 23:53.31 | streuner | Nyle: some people are just blind, its hard those to get awake, wasting time... |
| 23:53.44 | Nyle | streuner: I wish to try as he is a brilliant tech with windows |
| 23:53.50 | valdyn | windows is not even trying to serve that market |
| 23:53.54 | DawnLight | dbe: i've been at your apartment. i'm not sure we did. |
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| 23:54.20 | dbe | DawnLight: Hehe, no, I dont think you been in my apartment. |
| 23:54.21 | Nyle | streuner: either way... just say it with me.. "I don't know" |
| 23:54.42 | Guerin_ | dbe: wait until you see the photos. Then you'll believe. |
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| 23:54.51 | dbe | Guerin_: ??? |
| 23:54.58 | Nyle | Guerin_: you have a tail. |
| 23:55.08 | Guerin_ | dbe: that's what you were saying at the time. I think it was the drugs. |
| 23:55.16 | Guerin_ | Nyle: does it suit me? |
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| 23:55.27 | Nyle | Guerin_: not really man. |
| 23:55.34 | DawnLight | dbe: no? do you have a cat? |
| 23:55.35 | dbe | Guerin_: You are so cute. |
| 23:55.47 | nootoyahora | I'm tinkering with a telephone modem, but the serial port says it is already occupied, so it cannot be used by any program or process, I have ran lsof | grep ttyS but says nothing, what can I do to know what's taking my ttyS1? |
| 23:55.48 | dbe | DawnLight: I never had one. |
| 23:55.54 | Nyle | Guerin: you da man |
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| 23:56.09 | dbe | DawnLight: Haha, you loose. |
| 23:56.17 | Guerin | !loose |
| 23:56.17 | dpkg | loose is probably the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
| 23:56.20 | bolt | Nyle: you're trying to bind a process to a single cpu? |
| 23:56.22 | DawnLight | dbe: isn't there a cat in your apartment? |
| 23:56.22 | dbe | DawnLight: I actually belived you in first sight. |
| 23:56.26 | Nyle | bolt: to a cpu core |
| 23:56.27 | Guerin | is it sunday someplace? |
| 23:56.28 | dbe | sight. |
| 23:56.37 | dbe | DawnLight: Nope. |
| 23:56.37 | valdyn | Nyle: that's the same thing |
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| 23:56.50 | weld | hi, when compiling alsa modules from source, and loading them, what will happen if i install a new kernel? will the modules be replaces by the once in the new kernel? |
| 23:56.53 | Nyle | valdyn: just wanted to clear it up |
| 23:56.53 | streuner | Guerin: rhetoric question :-) |
| 23:56.57 | bolt | Nyle: bind <pid> <cpu> doesn't work? |
| 23:57.06 | Nyle | umm |
| 23:57.08 | dbe | DawnLight: It was 15 cats where I lived, I dont live there anymore. |
| 23:57.10 | valdyn | weld: right |
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| 23:57.20 | DawnLight | well, then, my mistake, dbe. was sure you were someone else |
| 23:57.33 | streuner | Who knows what kind of crack he smoked today :-) |
| 23:57.35 | dbe | DawnLight: Oh, you must mean Norway. Yes, we actually tooked care of a cat there. |
| 23:57.36 | weld | valdyn: ok, that's nice :) thanks! |
| 23:57.39 | valdyn | weld: assuming its really a new kernel, not just a bugfix release for the same kernel |
| 23:57.50 | dbe | DawnLight: How long tima ago did we chat? |
| 23:57.50 | weld | valdyn: ok, i understand |
| 23:57.59 | Nyle | bolt: bind a name to a socket? |
| 23:58.04 | DawnLight | dbe: it was in israel |
| 23:58.11 | Nyle | bolt: how does that help me (reading the bind manpage) |
| 23:58.18 | anabain | I cannot see any videos but the audio works. Mplayer outputs this: Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. Any ideas? |
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| 23:58.27 | dbe | DawnLight: But you have never been in my appartment. |
| 23:58.34 | bolt | Nyle: ah. I see this machine has a custom program called bind. sec. |
| 23:58.42 | dbe | Guerin: So shut the fuck up about drugs. |
| 23:58.46 | Nyle | bolt: tyt |
| 23:58.49 | valdyn | anabain: run 'mplayer -vo help' and pick any vo that might work |
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| 23:59.05 | valdyn | anabain: -vo x11 should work in any case |
| 23:59.42 | Guerin | dbe: hey, in hashdweebian you always get what you pay for ;) |
| 23:59.59 | dbe | Guerin: Haha. ;). |
