| 00:00.01 | Nyle | doobian? |
| 00:00.14 | Nyle | the pothead distro? |
| 00:00.17 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:00.23 | dbe | Guerin: I dont take things to serious at IRC. |
| 00:00.25 | bolt | Nyle: gah. it's compiled and I can't find the source. I think this might be talking about the same thing: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6799 |
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| 00:00.29 | DawnLight | dbe: i thought it was you, because the guy said he used to chat here and his nick was dbe. iirc |
| 00:00.37 | Nyle | bolt: checking now |
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| 00:00.56 | Guerin | in somewhat under 48 hours my research will be finished and I'll be smoking the largest spliff I can roll |
| 00:01.03 | sobersabre | hi guys. I know I need some perl module. how can I find out which deb package it is in ? |
| 00:01.03 | Guerin | which I can assure you is quite large |
| 00:01.07 | Nyle | Guerin: you smoke!!!? |
| 00:01.09 | sobersabre | I don't have the file. |
| 00:01.11 | Nyle | WTF! |
| 00:01.26 | Guerin | Nyle: we've had this discussion before, but you seem to have forgotten. Shockingly. |
| 00:01.28 | Nyle | wicked. I didn't know you were a fellow toker |
| 00:01.32 | Nyle | Guerin: go figure |
| 00:01.33 | dbe | DawnLight: I'm RMS pupil. |
| 00:01.33 | streuner | hm, shouldnt we change the subject? ... |
| 00:01.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:01.38 | bolt | Nyle: generally, though, i think the scheduler in the kernel is considered to handle things good enough on its own, based on process priority |
| 00:01.53 | Nyle | bolt: I have no certain need |
| 00:01.56 | nootoyahora | I'm tinkering with a telephone modem, but the serial port says it is already occupied, so it cannot be used by any program or process, I have ran lsof | grep ttyS but says nothing, what can I do to know what's taking my ttyS1? |
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| 00:02.03 | Nyle | bolt: I just want to know if this can be done, and how easy it would be to do it |
| 00:02.05 | DawnLight | dbe: whats RMS? |
| 00:02.10 | streuner | heh |
| 00:02.11 | Nyle | bolt: proof of concept if you will |
| 00:02.16 | dbe | DawnLight: Richard Stallman maybe. |
| 00:02.31 | Nyle | Richard Simmons, shake that ass, shake it off, shake the fat off |
| 00:02.33 | Nyle | ahem |
| 00:02.41 | anabain | valdyn, with this option it works, but how could I fix the problem in order any player does work? I mean vlc, kaffeine, etc. |
| 00:02.45 | bolt | ... |
| 00:02.47 | bolt | Richard |
| 00:02.48 | dbe | Nyle: #offtopic please. |
| 00:02.56 | Nyle | dbe: thank you |
| 00:03.08 | anabain | valdyn, It seems as if anything had changed any video_out setting... |
| 00:03.16 | bolt | Nyle: try compiling the source from that article I sent you |
| 00:03.25 | Nyle | bolt: will be doing it shortly |
| 00:03.29 | Nyle | bolt: thanks again |
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| 00:03.44 | bolt | Nyle: lemme know if it works :) |
| 00:03.54 | Nyle | you got it |
| 00:04.18 | dbe | DawnLight: What about it? |
| 00:04.24 | Nyle | I'll actually look through the source as well |
| 00:04.34 | valdyn | anabain: those are not working either? |
| 00:04.35 | DawnLight | will "echo /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state=on > /etc/sysctl.conf" be good? |
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| 00:04.37 | Nyle | get a better idea of how/what. I am not *nix expert |
| 00:04.42 | Nyle | I actually don't know jack about jack |
| 00:04.44 | anabain | no, valdyn |
| 00:04.55 | valdyn | anabain: most other players do a pretty good job detecting useful outputs |
| 00:05.04 | valdyn | anabain: what's your video driver? |
| 00:05.09 | anabain | ati |
| 00:05.16 | DawnLight | dbe: you said you are RMS pupil. what is RMS? |
| 00:05.17 | Guerin | xv is the One Ture Output |
| 00:05.21 | Guerin | and true, too |
| 00:05.27 | gravity | Ture fwt |
| 00:05.28 | valdyn | anabain: fglrx or really ati? |
| 00:05.28 | Guerin | DawnLight: something you can google |
| 00:05.30 | n3kl | I have an old scsi tape drive that I would like to use on linux. The drive is detected and everything, and I am not sure if the drive is good, but I know nothing about scsi. Is there any jumper configuration that I need to do? Every time I try to write to a tape, I get some timeout message or io failure. |
| 00:05.31 | anabain | valdyn, generic ati |
| 00:05.49 | dbe | DawnLight: I said that I ment Richad Stallman, sorry for my poor english. |
| 00:05.58 | dbe | DawnLight: Richard Stallman* |
| 00:05.59 | Nyle | Other operating systems, such as Windows NT, have long provided a system call to set the CPU affinity for a process. Consequently, demand for such a system call in Linux has been high. Finally, the 2.5 kernel introduced a set of system calls for setting and retrieving the CPU affinity of a process. |
| 00:06.02 | anabain | valdyn, I don't know. I choose ati from xserver-xorg conf menu |
| 00:06.04 | Nyle | Guerin: ^^ |
| 00:06.04 | Nyle | I wasn't the only one |
| 00:06.13 | widrone | n3kl: Make sure its terminated, and you should set an ID on the hw device. |
| 00:06.16 | Nyle | Guerin: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6799 |
| 00:06.19 | Nyle | peek |
| 00:06.25 | dbe | DawnLight: disciple is maybe a better sysonym, I dont know. |
| 00:06.32 | valdyn | anabain: what does 'aptitude -s install xorg' give? |
| 00:06.50 | n3kl | widrone: I can see that the device shows up in the bios of the controller though, does that mean that everything is setup correctly? |
| 00:06.53 | DawnLight | wow, that guy has nice hair |
| 00:07.16 | valdyn | anabain: the players you listed all can be configured to use a different output method too btw. |
| 00:07.59 | widrone | n3kl: Maybe, but termination trouble in old scsi equipment can lead to timeouts if I dont remember correctly. Is it the only device on the cable? |
| 00:08.01 | dbe | DawnLight: He created the GNU Project, FSF, GCC, GCB, Emacs also. |
| 00:08.01 | anabain | valdyn, I suppose, but there must be anything that changed the default and working output method... |
| 00:08.29 | anabain | valdyn, the command does not output nothing special |
| 00:08.46 | Nyle | bolt: with a quad core with shared l2 cache or dual core with shared l2 cache wouldn't really benefit from pid affinity would it, as per my understanding of the article, under the section "why one would need process affinity?" |
| 00:08.55 | Nyle | bolt: am I correctin assuming this? |
| 00:09.13 | valdyn | anabain: does 'mplayer -vo xv' work? |
| 00:09.16 | n3kl | widrone: yes, its the only device. |
| 00:10.40 | anabain | valdyn, no it doesn't |
| 00:10.49 | Nyle | bolt: bolt bolt bolt |
| 00:10.49 | widrone | n3kl: Only thing I can say is look at the jumpers on the device and if you can set "termination" on it, do it. And if you get open connectors on the cable it could give you hassle too. |
| 00:10.50 | nootoyahora | I'm tinkering with a telephone modem, but the serial port says it is already occupied, so it cannot be used by any program or process, I have ran lsof | grep ttyS but says nothing, what can I do to know what's taking my ttyS1? |
| 00:11.22 | n3kl | widrone: what do you mean "terminate" |
| 00:11.56 | bolt | Nyle: well, it will not benefit from the "improved" cache performance, no |
| 00:12.07 | bolt | Nyle: which might be why nobody seems to be doing it very much |
| 00:12.12 | Nyle | bolt: basically |
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| 00:12.22 | Nyle | bolt: I was merely curious, I have no need for it, like I said |
| 00:12.53 | widrone | n3kl: scsi cables need something they call "termination", i think it means that you have no signals flying around, and you have a controlled enviroment for your voltage levels. |
| 00:12.58 | valdyn | anabain: any output for 'grep -i xvideo /var/log/Xorg.0.log' ? |
| 00:13.03 | Nyle | bolt: I'll keep you posted however regarding the success of that program |
| 00:13.17 | widrone | n3kl: In practice it means "no loose ends" ;) |
| 00:13.20 | bolt | Nyle: however, if you read on, you see that it still is a very nice way to limit the spent cpu time, given you have a process that will take as much as it can, such as compiling a huge project or some other number crunching |
| 00:13.37 | nootoyahora | widrone, they prevent reflexions of the signal |
| 00:13.41 | Nyle | bolt: mostly compiling software |
| 00:14.02 | Nyle | but i still don't need it because I've bought a core2 quad extreme OC to 3.8ghz |
| 00:14.03 | anabain | valdyn, (II) Loading extension XVideo |
| 00:14.03 | anabain | (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation |
| 00:14.10 | widrone | nootoyahora: Indeed, your words are better then mine. THanks for being eloquent. |
| 00:14.11 | Nyle | bolt: i've got all the friggin speed i need :) |
| 00:14.35 | valdyn | anabain: you got sudo setup? can you try 'sudo mplayer -vo xv some.movie' ? |
| 00:14.37 | Nyle | bolt: want to try amd64 on it though, doing some video transcoding and compiling... wanna see it blow through the roof :) |
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| 00:15.23 | bolt | Nyle: I have, for instance, seen game servers where the game gets 1 core on its own, and all other processes like the sql database the game uses, is run on the other. the game is then free to use 100% cpu time to make things in the game behave as good as possible. |
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| 00:16.17 | Nyle | bolt: exactly. On windows, where I only play oblivion, I give 1 cpu to system, and rest of the cpus to the game. Gamebryo is a multithreaded game engine, so it works wonderfully |
| 00:16.30 | anabain | valdyn, I tried xv and x11 as root. Only the second works... |
| 00:16.46 | Nyle | bolt: on linux I have no need for it, but someone argued at work that linux can't do it, in his experience, and I wanted to prove him wrong |
| 00:16.49 | valdyn | anabain: xvideo seems supported, yet its still not working |
| 00:16.54 | Guerin | anabain: what driver? |
| 00:16.57 | Nyle | now I can, hopefully soon as I am successful |
| 00:17.08 | anabain | ati from xserver-xorg menu, Guerin |
| 00:17.08 | Guerin | vesa won't do xv but almost any other driver should |
| 00:17.17 | valdyn | anabain: i dont have good advice, you can try reinstalling libxv1 and libxvmc1 but - i dont have good advice |
| 00:17.17 | Guerin | that should definitely be working. |
| 00:17.31 | Guerin | get a TNT2 and use nv |
| 00:17.40 | Nyle | vesa does xv I think, but very choppy and slow, or does it only do x11 and am I confused? |
| 00:17.42 | bolt | Nyle: well, now you can. read up on the kernel scheduler too, and you can tell them why this hassle is something linux admins don't usually have to deal with in the first place :) |
| 00:17.47 | Supaplex | tnt2 is teh old. :P |
| 00:17.51 | valdyn | Nyle: only x11 |
| 00:17.55 | Nyle | bolt: cool... thanks |
| 00:17.58 | Guerin | Nyle: it defaults back to x11 if you choose xv, i think |
| 00:18.01 | anabain | thank you very much, valdyn, you've been really helpful |
| 00:18.04 | Nyle | Guerin: ahh |
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| 00:18.41 | Guerin | I could even run Deus Ex on it! |
| 00:18.52 | Nyle | i never played that game |
| 00:18.54 | Nyle | is it good? |
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| 00:19.02 | bolt | Guerin: I haven't been following the TNT2 conversastion, but are you saying that card works exceptionally well for something? I have one right in front of me that I wondered what to do with. |
| 00:19.06 | Guerin | Nyle: it's a genuine classic |
| 00:19.18 | Nyle | Guerin: really, I thought it was some crappy sci/fi rpg |
| 00:19.22 | nootoyahora | widrone, they prevent reflexions of the signal |
| 00:19.29 | Nyle | really?* |
| 00:19.31 | Guerin | bolt: it's not exceptionally anything, just a good, solid card |
| 00:19.35 | Nyle | fucking missing punctuation |
| 00:19.40 | Guerin | Nyle: it's more FPS than anything else. |
| 00:19.40 | nootoyahora | widrone, I'm sorry, the arrow keys hehehehehe |
| 00:19.43 | nootoyahora | I'm tinkering with a telephone modem, but the serial port says it is already occupied, so it cannot be used by any program or process, I have ran lsof | grep ttyS but says nothing, what can I do to know what's taking my ttyS1? |
| 00:19.58 | widrone | nootoyahora: You are deja-vuing me, heh?! |
| 00:20.01 | Guerin | Nyle: but it has rpg elements, and it is scifi |
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| 00:20.09 | Nyle | Guerin: i'll check it out |
| 00:20.15 | widrone | nootoyahora: Maybe you need termination? ;) |
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| 00:20.18 | Nyle | right now my windows desktop is heavily infected with virii |
| 00:20.27 | Guerin | Nyle: viruxen! |
| 00:20.27 | Nyle | you wouldn't believe how many |
| 00:20.32 | Nyle | Guerin: virii! |
| 00:20.38 | Guerin | NOES |
| 00:20.42 | Nyle | imma smack you |
| 00:20.48 | Nyle | you wid yer damn oxens |
| 00:20.49 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:20.54 | Guerin | boxens! |
| 00:20.57 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:21.21 | bolt | Guerin: no, quake is more fps that anything else. firstly, most performance tests I've seen include an fps test in quake, and in the second abbrevation, it also fits perfectly. it's first person, you shoot stuff and that's it. deus ex is a lot more fun, though, but it's also not a pure fps |
| 00:21.25 | anabain | valdyn, reinstalling these packages has worked!!! thanx! :) |
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| 00:21.39 | Nyle | man |
| 00:21.40 | nootoyahora | widrone, it's a reflection hahahahahaha |
| 00:21.49 | Nyle | I somewhat like fps games, I love rpg, and I dig sci fi |
| 00:22.00 | Nyle | I'm gonna go pirate this game, and if i like it, I might buy it |
| 00:22.11 | Nyle | the only games I actually paid for in past few years is morrowind and oblivion |
| 00:22.13 | Nyle | thats it |
| 00:22.14 | bolt | Nyle: YARR! |
| 00:22.27 | Nyle | yarr? |
| 00:22.38 | Nyle | it means buddy/dude/homie/pal in urdu |
| 00:22.41 | Nyle | or is it yaar |
| 00:22.51 | Nyle | wha'eva |
| 00:23.00 | moshii | Nyle: piracy involves stealing, copyright infringement isn't stealing |
| 00:23.10 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:23.20 | Nyle | so im not gonna go buy thgis game, and if i don't like it money wasted |
| 00:23.34 | Nyle | i'll try it out first, and then if i like it i'll buy it, otherwise I p robably won't even play it |
| 00:23.40 | Nyle | my patience is very thin when it comes to gaming |
| 00:23.47 | DawnLight | acpi turns off my fans at boot. what can i do to prevent this? |
| 00:23.52 | Nyle | most games piss me off, the only ones that don't are The Elder Scrolls |
| 00:23.55 | moshii | Nyle: most games shops in the uk do a cool off period thing now, buy, don't like, take back |
| 00:24.04 | Nyle | moshii: hmm |
| 00:24.17 | Nyle | moshii: this is new york, everyone wants to fuck you out of money |
| 00:24.17 | bolt | Nyle: yarr is the pirate equivalent of w00t, roughly |
| 00:24.18 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:24.22 | Nyle | bolt: oh |
| 00:24.49 | bolt | god that was a geeky statement |
| 00:24.55 | Nyle | i just got a $3.99 gravis gamepad pro |
| 00:25.05 | Nyle | enjoying super mario world on snes emu :) |
| 00:25.10 | Guerin | bolt: i meant DE was more fps than it was any other genre |
| 00:25.16 | Guerin | bolt: but in principle I agree |
| 00:25.30 | bolt | Guerin: then i agree as well |
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| 00:25.36 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:25.37 | Nyle | great |
| 00:25.42 | Nyle | so we all are in agreement |
| 00:25.46 | Guerin | !aww |
| 00:25.47 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 00:26.27 | bolt | ... |
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| 00:27.12 | s4xxon | hello i did a xorg upgrade , and after that i cant load x anymore. my xorg shows me that error message. (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! - ((EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 00:27.20 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 00:27.20 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 00:27.28 | n3kl | widrone: thanks |
| 00:27.39 | s4xxon | i had installed nvidia drivers from the nvidia installer |
| 00:27.41 | s4xxon | #nvidia |
| 00:27.50 | DawnLight | s4xxon: no good |
| 00:28.10 | karsten | s4xxon: Personally, I try to use supported graphics devices with open specs myself. |
| 00:28.13 | DawnLight | the debian way. check the link dpkg gave |
| 00:28.44 | s4xxon | through the repository , well i wanted to try the installer as well, i wouldnt if i knew it would cause me a problem with an upgrade |
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| 00:29.00 | s4xxon | reinstalling the driver would change anything ? |
| 00:29.03 | nootoyahora | I'm tinkering with a telephone modem, but the serial port says it is already occupied, so it cannot be used by any program or process, I have ran lsof | grep ttyS but says nothing, what can I do to know what's taking my ttyS1? |
| 00:29.33 | DawnLight | s4xxon: do it the debian way. instructions in the link dpkg gave |
| 00:30.04 | s4xxon | how do i remove the till now files that are installed with the installer ? |
| 00:30.16 | Nyle | s4xxon: how is X loading the nvidia module? did you edit xorg.conf yourself? |
| 00:30.36 | s4xxon | no it did change it by it self to nvidia |
| 00:30.42 | Nyle | s4xxon: because if nvidia module has not been compiled, it doesn't show up under dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:30.42 | karsten | s4xxon: aptitude purge ... |
| 00:30.45 | s4xxon | now i used vesa just to log in |
| 00:31.08 | Nyle | s4xxon: and if it has been compiled, then make sure you have nvidia-glx |
| 00:31.34 | Nyle | module could be modprobed and loaded, but without nvidia-glx you will get this error |
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| 00:31.58 | Nyle | s4xxon: which debian release are you using? |
| 00:32.14 | s4xxon | okie, i will check that, one more question. while i was trying to reinstall nvidia drivers, i was getting an error message that my kernel was compiled with gcc4.1 and i have 4.2 so it would be kind of risky to recompile it with 4.2 and that i should change some CC , but there was no further information |
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| 00:32.17 | s4xxon | testing |
| 00:32.41 | DawnLight | s4xxon: i guess you should check the documentation for that installer. when one uses debian, one should install stuff using the debian packaging system |
| 00:33.02 | Nyle | s4xxon: install the gcc-4.1 package (search for it) and export CC=/usr/bin/blahblah path to file |
| 00:33.09 | DawnLight | s4xxon: do you have a good reason to run testing instead of stable? |
| 00:33.13 | s4xxon | well i did the mistake and i didnt, and now i am trying to fix things up |
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| 00:33.19 | Nyle | s4xxon: or remove everything you have done with nvidia uptil now, and just do it the debian way |
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| 00:33.34 | Nyle | s4xxon: if not done the debian way it has been known to break systems |
| 00:33.40 | Nyle | not badly, but still |
| 00:33.41 | s4xxon | aptitute wont remove it , right ? |
| 00:33.53 | Nyle | s4xxon: the nvidia instll has ann --uninstall option |
| 00:33.56 | Nyle | read the documentation |
| 00:34.03 | Nyle | s/installer* |
| 00:34.08 | s4xxon | okie i will check |
| 00:34.45 | Nyle | word to the wise, do it the debian way to save yourself some time and anguish |
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| 00:35.14 | s4xxon | okie, i will do so. |
| 00:35.17 | s4xxon | thank you |
| 00:37.09 | weld | i wonder what i'm missing: what are the packages i need to compile kernel modules? |
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| 00:38.55 | DawnLight | what do i add to the line in menu.lst to disable acpi? |
| 00:40.40 | weld | ups - i missed the headers... :) |
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| 00:41.06 | DawnLight | weld: you using module-assistant? |
| 00:41.24 | weld | DawnLight: no |
| 00:41.46 | weld | DawnLight: i wnat to compile alsa modules |
| 00:42.09 | cockroach | hrm, just installed some updates and got "ldconfig: file /usr/lib/i586/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 is truncated" - should i worry about that? :) |
| 00:42.14 | weld | can i use module-assistant for that? |
| 00:42.21 | DawnLight | weld: module-assistant may be able to help you with that greatly |
| 00:42.47 | DawnLight | weld: did you get the source for those module from the repos? |
| 00:43.01 | weld | from alsa-project |
| 00:43.25 | DawnLight | weld: are you sure they aren't in the repos? |
| 00:43.37 | weld | i want to install alsa-driver-1.0.15rc3 |
| 00:44.03 | DawnLight | weld: i'm assuming this is because you have new hardware |
| 00:44.20 | weld | DawnLight: exactly :) |
| 00:44.50 | DawnLight | well... then i think module-assistant can't help you there, but i'm not sure |
| 00:45.04 | DawnLight | ask around |
| 00:45.50 | weld | well the readme say, the module names changed, so they don have the prefix snd_ anymore, i wonder if this ands up in a chaos :\ |
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| 00:47.59 | DawnLight | weld: try to do this as much the debian way as possible |
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| 00:48.54 | dpkg | Moo, Yup |
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| 00:55.33 | Yup | is there howto/faq for debian newbie with basics on package manager and system utils like stoping/staring services |
| 00:58.11 | stew | Yup: aptitude install apt-howto (or apt-howto-uk for unkranian or apt-howto-ru for russian) and the debian reference: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference |
| 00:58.29 | Yup | thanks :) |
| 00:58.53 | DawnLight | Yup: well you can ask here and we will show you to the light and you can /msg dpkg |
| 00:59.13 | stew | Yup: apt-howto installs documents into /usr/share/doc/Debian/apt-howto |
| 01:00.22 | DawnLight | how do i disable acpi at boot? |
| 01:00.33 | stew | DawnLight: add acpi=off to the kernel command line |
| 01:01.06 | DawnLight | stew: the initrd line? |
| 01:01.19 | stew | DawnLight: no, the kernel line |
| 01:01.26 | DawnLight | thanks! |
| 01:01.32 | stew | DawnLight: it would go near root= or ro |
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| 01:02.23 | DawnLight | stew: what about new kernels? will i have to do this again? |
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| 01:05.40 | stew | DawnLight: oh, if you want to make this change permanant, edit the "# kopt=" line, and run "update-grub" which will propagate that to all (and all future) kernels |
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| 01:05.51 | stew | DawnLight: don't remove the leading # |
| 01:06.17 | stew | damog: i was working with a library name 'morena" today and i kept mispelling it "moreno", i blame you! |
| 01:06.35 | DawnLight | thanks stew |
| 01:06.49 | damog | stew: heh @ morena |
| 01:08.55 | stew | damog: it was not only a non-free library, but a very expensive library, from gnome.sk. it being both expensive and 'gnome' was... wierd |
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| 01:11.05 | damog | stew: oh, at first glance i thought you said expensive as in resources, as a heavy thing |
| 01:11.27 | unilynx | Anyone run into issues with gnome themes looking funny after upgrading to Lenny? |
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| 01:11.50 | damog | unilynx: it depends on how "funny" your theme is? :) |
| 01:12.13 | unilynx | The standard themes, such as Glossy, do not appear correctly is all I mean. |
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| 01:12.45 | stew | damog: no, like $1k/year |
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| 01:14.53 | DawnLight | how can i pause the boot process to read the text? |
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| 01:15.11 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: most of it gets loged, but scroll lock generally will do it |
| 01:15.12 | stew | DawnLight: hit the pause button, or /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 01:15.41 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 01:15.49 | damog | stew: so, how's Tritium going? |
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| 01:16.19 | stew | damog: slow but steady. the more people that try it, the more horrible bugs that show up. works great for me though |
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| 01:16.38 | stew | like, i guess i had never used a gtk app before 2 weeks ago |
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| 01:17.20 | stew | i've recently gotten distracted by sucking a Packages.gz into a django databaes |
| 01:17.27 | dondelelcaro | bleck |
| 01:17.36 | stew | and a zillion other things, as my ADD dictates |
| 01:17.47 | damog | right |
| 01:18.51 | stew | dondelelcaro: i got to the point where I could get all the screen data from xinerama, but never did anything with it, mostly becuase that would require me going back to work after dinner, since that is where my machine with xinerama is |
| 01:19.03 | stew | mind you, work is upstairs, but it is a hard trip after dinner |
| 01:19.32 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:19.57 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, I'd start using it on my laptop for starters |
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| 01:20.12 | dondelelcaro | stew: since the work machine is the one with multiple heads and I haven't restarted X in a while |
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| 01:20.40 | dondelelcaro | root 4833 2.2 34.9 1176372 361812 tty7 Ss+ Aug27 454:51 <-- but firefox will make me soon |
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| 01:21.27 | damog | does firefox resist that long? |
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| 01:21.42 | dondelelcaro | oh, firefox has been restarted about 40 times since then |
| 01:21.49 | damog | ah right, hah. |
| 01:21.50 | stew | i run firefox for weeks at a time as long as there are zero extensions |
| 01:21.59 | stew | add gnash, and all that goes out the window |
| 01:22.00 | dondelelcaro | the problem is that it has allocated about 800M of pixmaps |
| 01:22.09 | dondelelcaro | stew: oh, I'm not running any plugins |
| 01:22.10 | stew | yeah, it does that in the first 5 minutes |
| 01:22.33 | dondelelcaro | my problem is that I like to work with somewhere around 40-80 tabs open |
| 01:22.40 | stew | yeah, same here |
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| 01:22.58 | stew | and then i find a window buried that i forgot about with 40 more 2 week old tabs |
| 01:23.07 | damog | heh |
| 01:23.16 | dondelelcaro | Maximum storage size: 10240 KiB Storage in use: 308133 KiB <-- this is also amusing |
| 01:23.31 | dondelelcaro | stew: which firefox are you using? 1.5? or 2.0? |
| 01:23.56 | stew | lenny |
| 01:24.02 | dondelelcaro | ah, same as me |
| 01:24.32 | karsten | s4xxon: aptitude purge ... |
| 01:24.47 | stew | dondelelcaro: phd thesis? |
| 01:24.51 | damog | dondelelcaro: what's your thesis about? |
| 01:24.54 | karsten | Um, ignore. |
| 01:24.55 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah |
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| 01:25.05 | stew | dondelelcaro: is there a layman's synopsis? |
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| 01:25.08 | karsten | Focus follows-mouse strikes again. |
| 01:25.23 | dondelelcaro | damog: lipid membranes; specifically cholesterol/do/fatty acid interaction with model membranes and pkc |
| 01:25.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I solved that problem a long time ago. |
| 01:25.34 | DawnLight | i've disabled acpi at boot but now i get a line at boot saying something about not being able to load thermal.so |
| 01:25.44 | damog | dondelelcaro: sounds like fun. |
| 01:25.46 | damog | :) |
| 01:25.56 | stew | fat tastes good |
| 01:25.58 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, I've been thinking about switching to something else... but without vertical tabbar and its all text, I'd hate it |
| 01:26.03 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Isn't the top of the refrigerator looking a little dusty? |
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| 01:26.49 | dondelelcaro | I don't have a refrigerator whose top can get dusty; they've all got stuff on them |
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| 01:27.46 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hasn't anyone told you you have to put stuff *in* the fridge for it to get cold? |
| 01:27.56 | damog | wtf |
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| 01:28.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Doesn't look like Konq does vertical tabs. Horizontal mostly works for me. |
| 01:28.35 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the fridge in the lab has binders on it, and the ones in the lab have rackmount computers on them |
| 01:29.00 | Seven_Six_Two | I'm trying to install a Genius (UC-LOGIC Tablet WP8060U) under Lenny. If I have to create a custom Udev rule to map the device to /dev/tablet-event do I have to use mknod first? If anyone wants to help 1on1 I'll get the logs and configs on pastebin. |
| 01:29.01 | damog | heh |
| 01:31.24 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... and the beer in the fridge does double-duty as server coolant? |
| 01:31.24 | stew | admin lubricant |
| 01:31.24 | karsten | Bumper sticker: "Have you lubricated your sysadmin today?" |
| 01:31.24 | stew | YES |
| 01:31.24 | Seven_Six_Two | It's an 8x6 tablet with a mouse and pressure sensitive pen. The mouse works without a problem, but I had to install the wizardpen driver to make the pen work. |
| 01:31.37 | DawnLight | how can i disable the automatic loading of acpi related modules? |
| 01:31.44 | dondelelcaro | !blacklist |
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| 01:31.49 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 01:31.52 | karsten | DawnLight: what dondelelcaro said. |
| 01:32.08 | karsten | DawnLight: .. or you can put them on top of his fridge. |
| 01:32.20 | dondelelcaro | that may black hole them; not sure if that's desired |
| 01:32.34 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Putting them on the fridge? |
| 01:32.35 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: you can also just go noacpi or similar on the kernel line |
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| 01:32.56 | stew | is it noacpi or acpi=off? |
| 01:33.00 | dondelelcaro | either or |
| 01:33.09 | karsten | DawnLight: Full coverage with "noacpi acpi=none" |
| 01:33.17 | karsten | stew: Depends on the kernel. |
| 01:33.17 | Seven_Six_Two | I compiled the driver, installed it (xorg loads it), modified my xorg.conf, created a Udev rule. The udev rule doesn't complain, but the device doesn't appear. |
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| 01:33.22 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 01:33.37 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 01:33.39 | karsten | stew: Unless you're overflowing the kernel boot param field limits, having both won't hurt. |
| 01:33.44 | karsten | Haris: You presume. |
| 01:33.57 | Haris | In etch is the syntax of /etc/hosts file exactly as it is in rhel/FC, fbsd and other distributions? |
| 01:33.59 | dondelelcaro | some of us may not be people |
| 01:34.03 | Nyle | is it possible to bind certain interrupts req. to a certain cpu/core? |
| 01:34.07 | dondelelcaro | Haris: it should be, yes. |
| 01:34.14 | Haris | for eg, the change I see is; |
| 01:34.20 | Nyle | irqs |
| 01:34.27 | stew | Haris: "man hosts" should verify it |
| 01:34.32 | Haris | 192.168.0.11 hostname hostname.domain.com |
| 01:34.33 | karsten | Haris: Yeah. |
| 01:34.54 | Haris | whereas the hostname and hostname.domain.com are put the other way around in other distributions |
| 01:35.06 | Haris | Just confirming if its strict or can it take the other way as well |
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| 01:35.14 | dondelelcaro | Haris: that just affects the reverse of 192.168.0.11 is |
| 01:35.20 | karsten | Haris: That doesn't matter. The qualification can be to any level. |
| 01:35.32 | n3kl | Can someone point me to a network/diskless installation howto:? |
| 01:35.33 | Haris | Ok |
| 01:35.48 | DawnLight | thanks folks |
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| 01:36.06 | karsten | Haris: The first given hostname is canonical, others are treated as aliases. Not all hostname queries will access /etc/hosts, though, depends on how a given tool does its resolution. |
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| 01:36.42 | karsten | n3kl: The Debian Installation Guide covers taht. |
| 01:36.49 | karsten | !tell n3kl about di |
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| 01:37.24 | n3kl | karsten: Thanks. I knew I had see one. |
| 01:37.29 | karsten | !tell n3kl about ig |
| 01:37.38 | karsten | n3kl: Install guide, not debian install, my bad. |
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| 01:37.54 | Haris | on a terminal, one can use at max, tty upto say 11 or 12, what are the rest of the tty for (they are upto 63 in /etc/securetty? |
| 01:38.12 | Haris | For eg, how does one use or connect to tty40 ? |
| 01:38.41 | karsten | Haris: getty, screen, minicom. |
| 01:38.50 | Haris | I see |
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| 01:39.11 | karsten | n3kl: Are you talking about doing a netboot install (see section 4.3), or installing onto a diskless system? |
| 01:39.23 | Haris | so if I limit tty to start from tty1 and go upto tty10 and load have 3 console sessions open, I can't open 10 screen sessions? |
| 01:39.31 | karsten | Haris: No. |
| 01:39.48 | n3kl | karsten: no. I would like to boot a system that does not have a hard drive installed over the network. |
| 01:39.51 | karsten | Haris: You've got a limited number of ptys available, around a thousand or more these days (used to be 256 or so). |
| 01:39.53 | amphi | Haris: I've had 22 VTs before, above 12, right-alt+F[VT-12] to switch, eg right-alt-F2 to VT14 |
| 01:40.12 | n3kl | karsten: so the disk images would reside on a server and shared out through nfs or something |
| 01:40.38 | karsten | Haris: cat /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max 4096 here. |
| 01:41.58 | karsten | n3kl: On the server, you'd want to install the ltsp-server packages, see package description and docs for more information. |
| 01:42.17 | Haris | me too |
| 01:42.21 | Haris | hmm.. |
| 01:42.33 | karsten | Haris: What's the problem? |
| 01:42.35 | Haris | Are there any man pages I can read on this? |
| 01:42.46 | Haris | I want to limit them to a smaller number |
| 01:42.57 | karsten | Haris: man 7 pty |
| 01:42.58 | Haris | say 10 or 12 |
| 01:43.17 | karsten | Haris: *Anything* that opens a shell needs a pty (or more). |
| 01:43.24 | karsten | Haris: 10 or 12 is an insanely small value. |
| 01:43.44 | karsten | Haris: s/opens a shell/opens an interactive shell/ |
| 01:44.01 | karsten | Haris: Why would you want to do that? |
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| 01:44.09 | s4xxon | ok fixed :) |
| 01:44.20 | phrost | how do you make an initrd with make-kpkg? it keeps telling me to do it manually, but i can't find any directions / i need initrd for LVM |
| 01:44.21 | Haris | because unless an app is logging in, there's no one who will other than me |
| 01:44.26 | Haris | for interactive logins |
| 01:44.50 | karsten | Haris: here's a gun. Here's an ammo clip. Here's a foot sight. Happy shooting. |
| 01:45.20 | Haris | I see, so there's no point in limiting them |
| 01:45.25 | karsten | Haris: There are far better ways to restrict interactive logins, by user, by group, by shell, etc. |
| 01:45.50 | Haris | yep |
| 01:45.54 | Haris | onto exim |
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| 01:45.58 | karsten | Haris: More to the point, you can really hurt yourself by doing that. If you have ten active screen sessions, get disconnected, and attempt to log remotely into the system, you won't get a pty. |
| 01:46.08 | karsten | Haris: Hence, you've just shot yourself in the foot. |
| 01:46.10 | Haris | Can I get rid of ALL! the macros in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated? |
| 01:46.12 | interbird | phrost: you know what an initrd is ? |
| 01:46.30 | Haris | good point |
| 01:46.51 | karsten | Haris: You *can* do a lot fo things on a Linxu box. Whther or not you'd really want to is another matter. |
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| 01:48.03 | Haris | I'm used to having a clean exim config, which I change heavily |
| 01:48.07 | s4xxon | question, once my kernel is compiled with gcc 4.1 everything from now on that has to do with the kernel should be compiled with 4.1 or i can use 4.2 ? |
| 01:48.14 | Haris | 1 clean exim config file+ |
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| 01:48.54 | karsten | Haris: The default config is either going to be in the package itself or is generated by the install scripts. I 'd move stuff rather than nuke it, and see what the effects are. #exim might have more specific guidance. |
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| 01:49.18 | Haris | ..move.. hmm.. |
| 01:49.36 | phrost | interbird: yeah, init ramdisk, basically linux-on-ram, i need udev to provide the dev mapper support for the LVM root |
| 01:49.41 | interbird | s4xxon: not nessecerally; only stuff you compile for the kernel; that interfaces with the kernel |
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| 01:50.33 | m1ke_1 | how could i set my gnome back to all defaults, theme, icons, menus, etc? |
| 01:50.41 | s4xxon | for example the nvidia installation did mention about that, that my kernel was compiled with 4.1 and my current gcc is 4.2 so i had to change it and go on with 4.1 , would it be safe now after the nvidia installation to use gcc4.2 again ? |
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| 01:51.28 | karsten | Haris: Eg: create a subdir "oldconfig" and move files into it. |
| 01:51.32 | stiv2k_ | hey real quick OT question: when to use communism with a lowercase c, and Communism with an uppercase C? |
| 01:51.37 | interbird | phrost: man mkinitrd will make one for you running system or for a kernel you compiled by using additional flags; dunno how LVM relates, you might have to edit the resulting initrd |
| 01:51.56 | karsten | Haris: I prefer timestamping stuff, so: mkdir oldconfig.$( date %Y%m%d-%H%M%S ) is more my style. |
| 01:52.09 | karsten | stiv2k_: Proper vs. common nown. |
| 01:52.13 | karsten | s/nown/noun/ |
| 01:52.32 | stiv2k | karsten: example in context? |
| 01:52.38 | Haris | this is nothing productoin, so I'm not worrying about even nuking the box if it happens |
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| 01:52.51 | Haris | hehe |
| 01:53.05 | interbird | s4xxon: dunno if its safe but it might work |
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| 01:53.11 | Haris | I'v learned I can re-install exim4-config at any time :p |
| 01:53.18 | s4xxon | okie |
| 01:53.27 | karsten | stiv2k: #debian-offtopic |
| 01:54.34 | Seven_Six_Two | trying to set up Genius Tablet (w/mouse &pen) 8x6" model WP8060U. I've pastebinned xorg.conf, xorg log(from failure), udev rule, dmesg output, lsusb -v and /proc/bus/usb/devices. I've also read the FM. The info is at http://pastebin.com/m26d71e04 |
| 01:55.20 | Seven_Six_Two | does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 01:56.51 | interbird | s4xxon: /usr/bin/gcc is usually a symlink to a specific gcc-version. you could temporary change that to 4.1, install/compile nvidia, and then change it back again |
| 01:57.13 | s4xxon | i know with export CC=/... thats what i did |
| 01:58.07 | Haris | Can I make dpkg go case insensitive? |
| 01:58.52 | Haris | for eg, if I'm searching for SpamAssassin, I don't want it to not tell me that its installed just because I didn't put part of the package name in caps |
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| 01:59.43 | Riotblade | Hey, what would be a good reason for me to have 4 gB of ram installed but only 3.21 gB shows up? |
| 01:59.45 | kgoetz | Haris: all packages are lowercase |
| 02:00.21 | Haris | What's happens, when I install or upgrade spamassassin from CPAN |
| 02:00.29 | Haris | perl -MCPAN -e "install bla bla" |
| 02:01.13 | Haris | does that break dpkg/apt-get/aptitude's local database of installed apps? |
| 02:01.19 | interbird | Riotblade: does free say that ? |
| 02:02.27 | Riotblade | yes, free shows a total of 3361060 but I have 4 gB installed |
| 02:02.56 | interbird | what does your BIOS say at boot ? |
| 02:03.08 | Riotblade | It's a rented server so I dont have access to the bios |
| 02:03.14 | Riotblade | but 4 gB is confirmed |
| 02:04.04 | interbird | I assume it counts or displays the memory at boot, no need to enter the bios |
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| 02:04.42 | Riotblade | I dont have access to anything outside of the linux environment |
| 02:04.47 | Riotblade | cept maybe if I asked the host for KVM |
| 02:05.16 | Wyzard | I think I've heard something about an upper limit on how much RAM the kernel can automatically detect, and needing a "ram=4G" kernel parameter to tell it how much RAM there is |
| 02:05.33 | Wyzard | Using a -bigmem kernel (which has PAE enabled, for support of up to 64GB of physical RAM) would probably fix it too |
| 02:05.41 | Haris | Wyzard: Tha tsetting should be killed! |
| 02:06.01 | Haris | Why is a limit imposed? |
| 02:06.14 | Riotblade | Wyzard, where do I put that parameter? |
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| 02:06.16 | Supaplex | old limitations |
| 02:06.27 | utopia_ | where can i read up about marking packages with apt-get/aptitude |
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| 02:07.19 | interbird | Wyzard: bigmem is only nessecary for mem below 2G if more is in the machine, afaik. |
| 02:07.36 | Supaplex | !bigmem |
| 02:07.37 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than 1GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 02:07.47 | Riotblade | !highmem |
| 02:07.47 | dpkg | well, highmem is what you should enable if you have a Gig of RAM and Linux claims you only have 900MB. See http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebastian/weblog/12 |
| 02:08.05 | Riotblade | so I should enable bigmem? |
| 02:08.11 | interbird | that's the one i meant |
| 02:08.33 | Wyzard | Debian doesn't provide highmem kernels AFAIK though, only regular and bigmem |
| 02:09.01 | Wyzard | bigmem is preferable anyway IMO -- it lets you use the processor's "no execute" feature to help prevent buffer overflows |
| 02:09.25 | interbird | nope, and you can't because it's a kernel-compilation parameter |
| 02:09.45 | interbird | Wyzard: you rented this machine ? |
| 02:10.13 | Wyzard | interbird: It's Riotblade's machine, not mine, but yes, I think so |
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| 02:10.31 | interbird | Wyzard: it's off-site (physically?) |
| 02:10.35 | Riotblade | So best thing for me to do is to just recompile ther kernel correct? |
| 02:10.38 | Wyzard | Ask Riotblade, not me |
| 02:10.42 | Riotblade | Wyzard, yes |
| 02:10.44 | Riotblade | errm |
| 02:10.45 | Riotblade | interbird, yes |
| 02:10.47 | Wyzard | Riotblade: Install one of Debian's -bigmem kernels |
| 02:10.53 | utopia_ | anyone there? how do i mark packages with debian? |
| 02:10.53 | Wyzard | Riotblade: They're already compiled and packaged |
| 02:10.58 | Riotblade | Oh, alright |
| 02:11.08 | interbird | sorry Wyzard, slip-of-the-kb |
| 02:12.14 | interbird | Riotblade: It might be a virtual server; ask your rental-company about it |
| 02:12.43 | Riotblade | It's not a virtual server |
| 02:12.51 | Riotblade | I'm 100% positive since youre the 3rd person to ask me |
| 02:14.35 | interbird | Riotblade: hehe. well without access it's hard to check stuff. like booting a live cd and see what that says. so, contact your rental-company i'd advise; 800MB is missing... |
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| 02:16.24 | utopia_ | okay i found out how to mark packages |
| 02:16.36 | utopia_ | next problem, there are alot of packages to be kept back |
| 02:16.47 | utopia_ | is there a way i can select them all without having to them one by one? |
| 02:16.59 | utopia_ | having to remove* |
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| 02:17.43 | interbird | utopia: what package manager are you using ? |
| 02:17.49 | utopia_ | interbird, aptitude |
| 02:18.28 | utopia_ | interbird, when i try to install any program through aptitude it tries to uninstall other applications that i want |
| 02:18.40 | utopia_ | so ive been using apt-get |
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| 02:21.58 | interbird | utopia: that can be a pain and i'm sorry but i'm too tiered to go that distance. there is a command for apt-get to 'fix' things but i don't know it by heart and you should take care using it. sorry to let you down... |
| 02:22.25 | utopia_ | interbird, no worries :) |
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| 02:22.35 | utopia_ | interbird, how do i use regex to keep back packages? |
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| 02:22.43 | utopia_ | :/EXPR/ doesn't seem to work |
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| 02:23.51 | interbird | utopia: do you use a gui? ever tried synaptic? |
| 02:24.52 | utopia_ | interbird, nope i use the console.. is synaptic a frontend to aptitude? |
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| 02:26.19 | interbird | utopia: synaptic is a kind-of gui front-end to apt-get; i'm not too familiair with aptitude i must admit |
| 02:26.42 | utopia_ | apt-get works fine though |
| 02:26.47 | utopia_ | aptitude wants to remove packages |
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| 02:27.51 | Guerin | utopia_: that would be because it acualtl exists. |
| 02:28.06 | interbird | utopia: what i did was writing down the packages to be uninstalled, upgrade/update the system and then reinstall the uninstalled packages; this sometimes happens when you have not updated for a long time |
| 02:28.18 | Guerin | whereas BSD package management is pretty rudimentary and therefore doesn't get in your way |
| 02:28.32 | Guerin | don't use synaptic, by the way |
| 02:28.36 | Guerin | use aptitude for everything |
| 02:28.49 | utopia_ | Guerin, im trying to use aptitude for everything :) |
| 02:28.55 | Xenguy | utopia_: oh BS :P |
| 02:29.04 | Guerin | utopia_: the first thing you should probably do is purge and reinstall aptitude |
| 02:29.05 | utopia_ | Guerin, but it is causing me more grief then the ports collection has ever caused me |
| 02:29.18 | Guerin | utopia_: it freaks when you use apt-get for some things and then revert to aptitude |
| 02:29.31 | utopia_ | Guerin, i started by using apt-get, then discovered aptitude |
| 02:29.48 | Guerin | utopia_: yeah. Purge and reinstall. Do it once and it's fixed for ever. |
| 02:29.51 | Xenguy | does this mean aptitude is still beta? |
| 02:30.06 | Guerin | ports can't cause grief because there's nothing to it - it's just a shell script and some makefiles |
| 02:30.06 | utopia_ | Guerin, thanks :) |
| 02:30.20 | utopia_ | sometimes simplicity is best :) |
| 02:30.40 | Guerin | it's about long-term effort versus short-term effort |
| 02:30.52 | interbird | Guerin: thx for stepping in, nite |
| 02:31.00 | utopia_ | thanks for the help interbird |
| 02:32.32 | utopia_ | Guerin, purge is still removing all those files i dont want removed |
| 02:32.40 | utopia_ | but okay, ill remove them |
| 02:33.03 | Guerin | utopia_: it will. Let it. Reinstall them later. If they're config files, use remove instead, then purge aptitude (on its own) afterward. |
| 02:33.05 | Azar | massa Guerin.. did you tried J Mayers? |
| 02:33.33 | Azar | .. cos I just got it, and man is worth every half penny |
| 02:33.39 | Guerin | Azar: i got 45 seconds into `waiting for the world to change' and couldn't bear it any more, so I went back to Mississippi Fred McDowell |
| 02:33.43 | utopia_ | Guerin,alright thanks |
| 02:34.15 | Azar | awww you got one of the less interesting |
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| 02:35.02 | Azar | Guerin: could you come a sec in #music? |
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| 02:36.18 | Guerin | Azar: i'm very likely to get into a fmalewar with someone who likes Linkin Park |
| 02:36.27 | Guerin | flame, too |
| 02:36.53 | Guerin | or someone who thinks Gewn Stefani can sing |
| 02:36.53 | Azar | nah, few folks asleep |
| 02:37.07 | Azar | I just don't wanna go o/t here |
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| 02:39.53 | black_13 | is it acceptible to ask about debian inside vmware in the forum? |
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| 02:44.24 | Wyzard | black_13: Debian is Debian... VMware is just another type of computer, as far as the guest OS is concerned |
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| 02:44.44 | Guerin | Wyzard: except it causes unpredictable fuckups. |
| 02:44.53 | Guerin | (though only regarding hardware) |
| 02:45.06 | black_13 | and so here is the connundrum |
| 02:45.09 | Wyzard | Guerin: Not that I've seen, and i use it all the time |
| 02:45.27 | Guerin | Wyzard: i've seen plenty of NICs fail to fire, for instance. |
| 02:45.47 | black_13 | my problem is that company i work for uses a proxying server to monitor control network traffic |
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| 02:46.02 | Wyzard | Guerin: You're talking about the emulated pcnet32/vmxnet card within a virtual machine? |
| 02:46.10 | black_13 | i have been told its ok to have vmware and use linux on the vm |
| 02:46.20 | black_13 | it debian installs great |
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| 02:46.34 | black_13 | i mean debian installs fine |
| 02:46.34 | Guerin | Wyzard: talking in general. I didn't pay attention to whgat specific hardware failed to work. |
| 02:46.47 | Guerin | black_13: what does debian or vmware have to do with traffic accounting? |
| 02:47.14 | Wyzard | Guerin: VMware has nothing to do with the real hardware on the host machine, and the hardware in a virtual machine is all emulated |
| 02:47.21 | Wyzard | Guerin: VMware doesn't cause real hardware to stop working |
| 02:47.40 | black_13 | how do i get debian to use the proxy address |
| 02:47.54 | Guerin | Wyzard: the point I was trying to make is that bits couldn't get in and out of the debian install within vmware. Nothing about specific hardware. |
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| 02:48.28 | mikefoo | I haver a problem, I am on 4.0 debian, and in my sources.list I have sarge set, when I do a apt-get install postfix, it wasn't to remove my kernel and lot sof harmful things.. Whats wrong? |
| 02:48.39 | Guerin | black_13: ecport http_proxy=http://path.to.the.pro.xy:port/ |
| 02:48.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:48.46 | Guerin | export, not ecport |
| 02:48.55 | Wyzard | Guerin: That can happen if you choose bridged mode for the VM's network connection, and the real network card doesn't support sending frames with source MAC addresses other than its own |
| 02:49.14 | Wyzard | Guerin: That's true of the wireless card in my laptop... I have to use VMware's built-in NAT instead of bridging for that reason |
| 02:49.23 | black_13 | Guerin, thanks actually there is a user namae and password |
| 02:49.40 | Guerin | black_13: then ask your tech support how to log in |
| 02:49.45 | mikefoo | What sould sources.list have for debian 4.0? stable or sarge? Anyone? |
| 02:50.01 | black_13 | Guerin, sadly its a pure MS shop when i mention debian/linux i get hazed |
| 02:50.14 | Guerin | Wyzard: I guess that must be it. The point is that even if the device is configured in debian, it won't work because of vmware. That counts as an unpredictable error for me. |
| 02:50.14 | Wyzard | mikefoo: 4.0 is etch, not sarge |
| 02:50.21 | mikefoo | ohhh |
| 02:50.22 | Guerin | black_13: NOFP |
| 02:50.24 | mikefoo | 4.4 is sarge? |
| 02:50.30 | mikefoo | 4.1? |
| 02:50.32 | GreaseMonkey | no |
| 02:50.32 | GreaseMonkey | 3.1 |
| 02:50.34 | Guerin | mikefoo: 3.1 is sarge |
| 02:50.35 | black_13 | nofp? |
| 02:50.35 | mikefoo | ohh |
| 02:50.39 | mikefoo | oops |
| 02:50.45 | Guerin | mikefoo: upgrade to etch before trying anything else. |
| 02:50.46 | Wyzard | mikefoo: Either "stable" or "etch" will work; the difference is in what happens when the next release comes out, and "stable" now refers to "lenny" |
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| 02:51.01 | mikefoo | Wyzard: ahh ok |
| 02:51.14 | mikefoo | I am on 4.0 version from debian_version, so thats etch, yes? |
| 02:51.17 | GreaseMonkey | yes. |
| 02:51.22 | mikefoo | ok got it.. |
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| 02:51.25 | mikefoo | thanks |
| 02:51.36 | Wyzard | mikefoo: It's better to say "etch" in sources.list so that the upgrade to lenny happens only when you decide to upgrade and manually edit that file |
| 02:51.42 | Wyzard | mikefoo: and "etch" is what the installer puts there |
| 02:52.13 | regulate | hi |
| 02:52.25 | GreaseMonkey | so 4.0r1 is the kernel upgrade? |
| 02:52.41 | regulate | can i mention fglrx without getting +b |
| 02:52.49 | Guerin | regulate: you just did. |
| 02:52.58 | stew | GreaseMonkey: no, 4.0r1 is a bunch fo security fixes, that, if you have a security.debian.org line in your sources.list, you already have |
| 02:52.59 | regulate | but it was an inquery |
| 02:53.08 | regulate | can't blame one for inquiering (sp) |
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| 02:53.15 | gravity | regulate: Yes, but getting good help on it is going to be harder |
| 02:53.20 | GreaseMonkey | stew: what should the security.debian.org line be? it's broken :( |
| 02:53.23 | regulate | harder |
| 02:53.29 | Guerin | regulate: just ask. fglrx isn't really supported, but some people might help you with installing it if there's a frob for it in debian. |
| 02:53.31 | regulate | ok i get it |
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| 02:53.35 | regulate | yeah i knwo |
| 02:53.43 | regulate | well |
| 02:53.43 | stew | GreaseMonkey: deb http://security.debian.org etch/upgrades main |
| 02:53.58 | regulate | ummm, basically trying to compile it against 2.6.23 |
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| 02:54.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:54.08 | regulate | ok |
| 02:54.10 | Guerin | NOFP :) |
| 02:54.22 | regulate | yeah i have like 7 patches already |
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| 02:54.32 | regulate | not really seeing any light |
| 02:54.48 | regulate | there's also that 8.41 release for 64 |
| 02:54.51 | GreaseMonkey | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/upgrades/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
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| 02:54.55 | black_13 | Guerin, you said that previous but didnt define |
| 02:54.55 | regulate | its even hairier |
| 02:55.03 | GreaseMonkey | oh, wait |
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| 02:55.31 | regulate | ok different topic |
| 02:55.32 | GreaseMonkey | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/upgrades/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
| 02:55.35 | regulate | hibernate |
| 02:55.47 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 02:55.47 | dpkg | it has been said that nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 02:56.00 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: change mirrors |
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| 02:56.13 | regulate | kernel.org is pretty reliable |
| 02:56.23 | mikefoo | thanks guys changing to etch worked =) one last thing.. how can I tell what version of software I am going to install with apt-get install? |
| 02:56.24 | GreaseMonkey | Guerin, what's your security deb line? |
| 02:56.28 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: s.d.o is a round-robin, one of the other IPs might work |
| 02:56.40 | stew | GreaseMonkey: sorry, 'updates' not 'upgrades' |
| 02:56.53 | mikefoo | doesn't tell me versioning info, when I do "apt-get install postfix" |
| 02:56.55 | mikefoo | ? |
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| 02:56.58 | Guerin | mikefoo: aptitude show packagename |
| 02:57.03 | mikefoo | ahh ok thanks! |
| 02:57.06 | Guerin | ah, upgrades ... good spotting |
| 02:57.08 | GreaseMonkey | cheers |
| 02:57.28 | regulate | so does anyone use suspend2 ? |
| 02:57.37 | black_13 | now this is the #debian i remember! |
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| 02:58.00 | regulate | yeah i've used slink |
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| 02:58.32 | Guerin | r`/msg dpkg anyone use |
| 02:58.40 | Guerin | regulate: /msg dpkg anyone use |
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| 02:58.44 | GreaseMonkey | erm, why do all 3 of these packages need upgrading? linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 02:58.46 | zophy[] | i'm running debian unstable and after an upgrade when i start the gnome desktop i get multiple warning popups about gnome panel already running, which is correct, but how do i remove the added panel or whatever that is giving these warnings, sometimes i get ten warning windows popup one after the other |
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| 02:59.24 | Guerin | zophy[]: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org on how to configure it. See, running unstable is fun! |
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| 02:59.52 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: because of the reason. |
| 02:59.57 | regulate | my sid runs fine |
| 03:00.09 | Guerin | regulate: for now. |
| 03:00.12 | regulate | shhh |
| 03:00.26 | regulate | make-kpkg is almost done |
| 03:00.29 | Guerin | just sayin' - it's a temporary phenomenon |
| 03:00.30 | Wyzard | GreaseMonkey: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 shouldn't need upgrading... it's replaced by linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 03:00.46 | regulate | if you consider 6 years temporary |
| 03:00.52 | GreaseMonkey | Wyzard, am I able to remove it from the upgrade list? |
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| 03:01.19 | regulate | Guerin: ok , around potato it was rollercoastery |
| 03:01.41 | Wyzard | GreaseMonkey: I'm not saying you *shouldn't* upgrade it |
| 03:01.42 | regulate | but i know whom to blame |
| 03:01.48 | Wyzard | GreaseMonkey: just that I'm surprised if there's an upgrade available for it |
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| 03:02.11 | internat2 | so i seem to have some wierd problem with alsa. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt..suggestion |
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| 03:03.05 | erpo | Is there a way to parallelize apt-get so that it will fetch more than one package at once, each from a different mirror? |
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| 03:05.37 | GreaseMonkey | Wyzard, I also did a dist-upgrade today |
| 03:05.43 | regulate | erpo: man apt.conf /parallel |
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| 03:06.00 | erpo | regulate: Thanks for the *. |
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| 03:06.10 | regulate | sorry, was that clear? |
| 03:06.14 | Wyzard | GreaseMonkey: And that's what's upgrading your packages, right? |
| 03:06.31 | regulate | erpo: i meant search for parallel in the manpage |
| 03:06.40 | ameyer | doesn't sound like a big bug until you have to live with it |
| 03:06.58 | erpo | regulate: I figured out what that meant. Was I clear? * = pointer. |
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| 03:07.21 | regulate | erpo: (* ) plz |
| 03:07.27 | GreaseMonkey | Wyzard, it went something like this: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; then I said NO to apt-get upgrade (due to us having 5GB/month shared between 4 people, and 165MB of upgrades) |
| 03:07.46 | erpo | regulate: Sorry, don't mean to glob. |
| 03:07.49 | GreaseMonkey | The following NEW packages will be installed: linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 03:07.50 | GreaseMonkey | The following packages will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:07.58 | GreaseMonkey | ^ fron dist-upgrade |
| 03:08.08 | regulate | i'm in a weird mood |
| 03:08.11 | Wyzard | GreaseMonkey: The latter is the reason for the former |
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| 03:08.49 | internat2 | modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/modules.dep <== any ideas what would cauise me to get that |
| 03:08.54 | erpo | GreaseMonkey: Ouch. At 5GB/mo you might be better off with dialup+phone line. |
| 03:09.12 | Wyzard | GreaseMonkey: linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage which used to depend on linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, but the new version depends on linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 instead |
| 03:09.14 | GreaseMonkey | erpo, I wonder if the NZ mirror has a dial-up server |
| 03:09.38 | ameyer | I swear, I'd go over 5 GB in a day or two if up counted |
| 03:09.51 | GreaseMonkey | ameyer, we used to have 1GB/mo |
| 03:10.02 | GreaseMonkey | took a week or two to demolish that |
| 03:10.06 | erpo | GreaseMonkey: I meant dial-up Internet access instead of DSL/Cable/whatever. |
| 03:10.13 | Guerin | i have 40G/mo, shared between me and upstairs |
| 03:10.17 | Guerin | but I use about 80% of it |
| 03:10.22 | Azar | very nice read, my friends, squeezed a chuckle : http://azerthoth.blogspot.com/2007/10/insecure-by-default.html |
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| 03:10.43 | Wyzard | GreaseMonkey: apt won't automatically install a new package if nothing depends on it, so the upgrade of linux-image-2.6-686 (which is already installed, and therefore gets upgraded automatically) causes apt to install the new linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 03:11.01 | GreaseMonkey | Wyzard, thanks for that |
| 03:11.02 | Azar | I wonder if that would apply to a lilo bootloader and without a desktop installed |
| 03:11.05 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: where are you? Do you have choices other than the hated xtra? |
| 03:11.07 | ameyer | but I assume .nz is connected via .au which is connected via .us |
| 03:11.26 | Azar | I would assume yes |
| 03:11.44 | GreaseMonkey | ameyer, i thought that, but it turns out it's NZ->Hong Kong->US |
| 03:11.56 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: if you're on CityLink, traffic from the local mirror is free. Many ISPs also run mirrors, but I don't think telescum peers with them. |
| 03:12.10 | Guerin | xtra might run its own mirror though, I'm not sure. |
| 03:12.18 | GreaseMonkey | Guerin, not sure, but if they keep dropping our connections, and we can find someone else, we'll flip them the bird and go with them |
| 03:12.34 | GreaseMonkey | oh, and how far do CityLink go? |
| 03:12.55 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: in Welli, only in the CBD. not sure about other cities. |
| 03:13.29 | Guerin | but many isps nationwide just call all citylink traffic free |
| 03:13.34 | Guerin | i doubt xtra is one of those though |
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| 03:13.50 | \amethyst | GreaseMonkey: You're connected to me through what looks like a NZ <-> California hop |
| 03:14.05 | ameyer | eww |
| 03:14.49 | ameyer | actually, not so bad in some cases |
| 03:14.57 | Guerin | that skinny little Southern Cross cable |
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| 03:16.32 | chuck | hi, i just installed gnu mailman, and i'm wondering what i have to do next to get it online |
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| 03:20.17 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: they're the least evil of an evil gang of evil motherfuckers |
| 03:20.33 | Guerin | (and I also get to split the bill with upstairs) |
| 03:20.45 | GreaseMonkey | so you're flatting? |
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| 03:22.47 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: live with my wife, there's another couple in the flat upstairs. We became mates on account of being too lazy to walk over the hill to the pub, and now have a network. Though the NFS server in the garage is currently down. |
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| 03:23.49 | Guerin | he's a network admin, which helps |
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| 03:25.05 | GreaseMonkey | nice |
| 03:25.19 | black_13 | Guerin, http_proxy (suck on it) |
| 03:25.40 | black_13 | SOIT |
| 03:26.08 | Guerin | black_13: ? |
| 03:26.49 | GreaseMonkey | SDOIT |
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| 03:27.23 | black_13 | i would but your momma isnt around |
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| 03:28.07 | freezer | hi |
| 03:28.22 | freezer | kftpgrabber is creating big lag |
| 03:28.28 | freezer | why? |
| 03:29.07 | Guerin | black_13: i'm not sure if you're trying to insult me or not. Could you be a bit more explicit? |
| 03:29.25 | Guerin | !htfswk freezer |
| 03:29.26 | dpkg | freezer: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 03:30.27 | freezer | .oO have 1,5ghz Pentium M and 512mb of ram, using GNOME |
| 03:30.41 | black_13 | Guerin, lets hug instead |
| 03:30.49 | dondelelcaro | freezer: why use ftpgrabber instead of lftp or wget? |
| 03:30.50 | Guerin | karrotx: i would guess it's the problem of gnome+kde apps |
| 03:30.56 | Guerin | arght |
| 03:31.01 | Guerin | freezer: ↑ |
| 03:31.04 | karrotx | and i would guess you are a moron |
| 03:31.11 | freezer | and kftpgrabber sucks about 35% cpu and other apps lag |
| 03:31.17 | Guerin | karrotx: that would be a fair guess. |
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| 03:31.36 | freezer | i guess i could also use ncftp |
| 03:31.43 | Guerin | the problem is that k is so near to f on the feyboard |
| 03:31.46 | freezer | kftp is little more comfort |
| 03:32.33 | dondelelcaro | ncftp is kind of ok, but once you've used lftp, you won't go back |
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| 03:32.50 | Guerin | the `l' stands for `lazy' |
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| 03:33.07 | simonrvn | lftp doesn't just do ftp either |
| 03:33.27 | dondelelcaro | the aproximate ordering is something like yafc << ncftp << lftp with wget somewhere in there, depending on the task |
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| 03:33.51 | freezer | haha |
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| 03:34.09 | freezer | kftp sucks even more processor after the transfer is finished |
| 03:34.14 | freezer | i think its buggy |
| 03:34.29 | dondelelcaro | (and we won't speak about netkit-ftp) |
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| 03:39.09 | chuck | argh i'm having troubles with mailman |
| 03:39.17 | chuck | this is what i get when i try to send a message to a list: |
| 03:39.29 | chuck | 2007-10-11 22:33:19 1IgBH5-0000mk-1m == |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post unixpod-main <Unixpod-main@unixpod.com> R=system_aliases defer (-30): pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router |
| 03:40.07 | dondelelcaro | chuck: it pretty much tells you what the problem is |
| 03:40.50 | chuck | no entiendo :-( i don't understand |
| 03:40.57 | chuck | what's wrong with it? |
| 03:41.26 | dondelelcaro | chuck: you haven't defined pipe_transport in the system_aliases router; edit your exim configuration and uncomment it |
| 03:41.31 | Riot|AFK | Hey, after I updated the kernel and rebooted, I lost access to the rented box. It has ping but SSH connection etc connection is refused. I changed it back to the old kernel and same problems. |
| 03:41.35 | Riot|AFK | what might be causing this? |
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| 03:42.18 | dondelelcaro | chuck: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html if you're lost |
| 03:43.02 | dondelelcaro | (though that's way more complex than is needed) |
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| 03:44.43 | chuck | dondelelcaro: i have this in my config: |
| 03:44.44 | chuck | 39 .ifdef SYSTEM_ALIASES_PIPE_TRANSPORT |
| 03:44.44 | chuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.44 | chuck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:44.57 | chuck | sryy |
| 03:45.39 | simonrvn | define or allow SYSTEM_ALIASES_PIPE_TRANSPORT to be defined, then it'll work (probably ;) |
| 03:45.58 | chuck | how do i do that? |
| 03:46.07 | chuck | get rid of the .ifdef and .endif things? |
| 03:47.23 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:47.32 | chuck | how then? |
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| 03:48.33 | chuck | simonrvn: how do i do that? |
| 03:49.00 | simonrvn | look for other mentions of that ^^^ and see what needs to be done |
| 03:50.28 | chuck | i have no frickin clue, i hate exim's config files |
| 03:50.40 | chuck | especially since i chose the "many small config files" option |
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| 03:52.00 | chuck | simonrvn: please help, i don't get it |
| 03:52.42 | Wyzard | chuck: IIRC, the "many small config files" option isn't recommended in most cases |
| 03:52.47 | Wyzard | chuck: Don't use it if you don't like it |
| 03:52.51 | chuck | too late now lol |
| 03:54.48 | simonrvn | you can always change it; dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 03:55.00 | chuck | i just need to get it working though |
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| 03:56.36 | s[exe] | Hey, does anybody have some instructions a bit more verbose on how to use uupdate than the man page? I'm interested in updating alsa on my system. |
| 03:56.54 | click170 | Say I was in a situation where I forgot to log off a terminal at a station somewhere, a station that I could still ssh into. Is there an easy way to log out that session on the terminal from ssh? |
| 03:57.07 | s[exe] | click170, just kill bash? |
| 03:57.26 | chuck | simonrvn: any idea how to get this working? |
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| 03:57.45 | click170 | s[exe]: I can do that? Just kill the bash PID of that user? |
| 03:57.56 | s[exe] | click170, i think it would work. |
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| 03:59.39 | Azar | s[exe]: security updates or version update? on Debian Etch/stable? |
| 04:00.16 | chuck | simonrvn: do i just add SYSTEM_ALIASES_PIPE_TRANSPORT = address_pipe in there somewhere? |
| 04:00.19 | s[exe] | Azar, on deb stable, but using 2.6.22 Sound card isn't supported except in development alsa drivers. |
| 04:00.43 | Azar | damn, can't you find a sid backport of it? |
| 04:01.04 | s[exe] | I can't seem too. |
| 04:01.12 | Azar | freaking new kernels, each comes with a fuss |
| 04:02.11 | Azar | well, find if sid has an alsa version working with your kernel. if there is such do a sid backport |
| 04:02.17 | s[exe] | sid has alsa 1.0.14-2, I need .15-rc |
| 04:02.23 | Azar | ew |
| 04:02.25 | Azar | nasty |
| 04:02.26 | s[exe] | So sid is too out of date for me :P |
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| 04:02.33 | chuck | omggg |
| 04:02.38 | s[exe] | Its a dell m1330 laptop |
| 04:03.11 | Azar | well, not that I want to brag, but I use a 2.6.8 kernel, alsa works like a charm, my music rocks the room |
| 04:03.14 | simonrvn | chuck: yes you need to define it |
| 04:03.22 | chuck | but where? |
| 04:03.34 | chuck | i tried at the beginning of the file, but it didn't work |
| 04:03.41 | simonrvn | chuck: i'll be busy now. somewhere before that ;). doesn't matter (now) |
| 04:03.44 | s[exe] | Congratulations, you've got old hardware Azar! |
| 04:03.53 | Azar | s[exe]: shame on me yeah |
| 04:03.56 | click170 | s[exe]: That appears to have worked, thanks a bunch! |
| 04:04.01 | Azar | for feeling so un-guilty |
| 04:04.05 | chuck | anyone else here good with exim? |
| 04:04.58 | Azar | s[exe]: not only outdated kernel, but to add insult to injury my box makes a terrible noise, the fan is dusty and dry |
| 04:05.28 | Azar | all my boxes start screeching after a 2 year use |
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| 04:08.55 | chuck | can anyone PLEASE help me with my mailman dilemma? |
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| 04:11.00 | seanp2k | unfortunately, I have a radeon 200m based laptop. I want the fastest gaming drivers for it. What would those be? |
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| 04:11.17 | danroj | http://danroj.obolog.com |
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| 04:19.18 | ozatomic | How can i have a SSH tunnel setup open in the background of my server? |
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| 04:24.01 | Riotblade | Hey, does iptables write to a file somewhere? |
| 04:24.26 | utopia_ | is there a way to check the version of something with aptitude? |
| 04:26.59 | Tramp | Riotblade: No. But this is probably not your question. |
| 04:28.02 | seanp2k | Tramp's ESP is located in #debian |
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| 04:29.46 | yetifoot | my oom-killer just kicked in, i manged to shut the offending program pretty quick, but is there anything i should know? is oom-killer pretty sensible about what it does? |
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| 04:30.56 | mainer | well never heard of that one but xkill or killall <app-name> in terminal works for me |
| 04:31.38 | mainer | oh out-of-memory?? |
| 04:31.45 | amphi | yetifoot: my runaway memory processes are always povray, and it always kills povray, or has so far |
| 04:31.46 | yetifoot | it shows up when you exhaust all the RAM/swap, i found some message in the syslog, but don't know how bad this is |
| 04:31.53 | yetifoot | like: |
| 04:31.54 | yetifoot | Oct 12 05:26:32 debian kernel: oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0 |
| 04:31.54 | yetifoot | Oct 12 05:26:32 debian kernel: [<c014450b>] out_of_memory+0x25/0x13e |
| 04:31.54 | \amethyst | yetifoot: http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer |
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| 04:32.36 | yetifoot | i was trying to make a graph from a 900kb gprof profile... |
| 04:32.55 | yetifoot | \amethyst, thanks |
| 04:32.57 | ameyer | well, even killing $random_process is probably better than the alternative |
| 04:33.32 | \amethyst | yetifoot: it sends a SIGKILL |
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| 04:33.48 | \amethyst | yetifoot: so whatever process got gunned didn't get a chance to clean up |
| 04:34.05 | yetifoot | \amethyst, i'm just reading that page, is there some way to find out exactly what processes died? |
| 04:34.45 | mainer | yetifoot: maybe dmesg or syslog? |
| 04:35.06 | ameyer | odds are an out of control process is messed up beyond killing by (whatever signal kill sends by default) anyway |
| 04:35.11 | yetifoot | mainer, i already tried those, but thanks |
| 04:35.12 | ameyer | sigterm? |
| 04:36.02 | yetifoot | ameyer, i think it was running ok, if i had 4gb of ram, but i don't... |
| 04:36.55 | ameyer | ooh, kill -9 -1 |
| 04:36.58 | ameyer | erm |
| 04:37.03 | ameyer | that sounds like fun |
| 04:37.18 | yetifoot | maybe i did kill it myself just in time, it sounds like the oom-killer would have been smart enough to kill the runaway process first, and that was killed by me |
| 04:37.35 | ameyer | however, it'd pretty much require a reboot if done by root |
| 04:37.35 | Supaplex | readonly filesystems are tEh LAME. stupid sd car is set to r/w. |
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| 04:37.54 | ameyer | readonly has its uses |
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| 04:38.14 | Riotblade | Hmm Wyzard, is it normal for me to upgrade to the same backport version but with BIGMEM enabled and both kernels don't work anymore? |
| 04:38.21 | Riotblade | I had to revert back to my broken kernel for it to boot? |
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| 04:39.40 | Wyzard | Riotblade: I'm not sure if I understand that sentence... you installed a new kernel, (bigmem), and another already-installed (non-bigmem) kernel, that was previously working, stopped working? |
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| 04:40.23 | Riotblade | yes Wyzard |
| 04:40.38 | Riotblade | both stopped working actually |
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| 04:40.52 | mainer | maybe a changed vmlinuz symlink? |
| 04:40.55 | |Slurpee| | debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:41.02 | Riotblade | The only one that works was my custom kernel that my box came with |
| 04:41.03 | |Slurpee| | that is 3 full dvds of data |
| 04:41.10 | |Slurpee| | that is all of the debain packages ? |
| 04:41.25 | Wyzard | |Slurpee|: yes |
| 04:41.42 | Wyzard | |Slurpee|: But you don't actually need them all if you have an Internet connection available |
| 04:41.43 | |Slurpee| | good because i have to config a server tomorrow at a location with real slow internet |
| 04:42.08 | |Slurpee| | max download is 50 KB/s and i need to install everything |
| 04:42.11 | Wyzard | Riotblade: Are you running unstable by any chance? |
| 04:42.48 | Wyzard | |Slurpee|: I doubt you need to install "everything"... but certainly do download the full CDs or DVDs if you need Debian in a place without fast Internet |
| 04:42.54 | mainer | Wyzard: doubt it i'm using lenny with an experimental kernel=no probs here |
| 04:43.02 | Riotblade | Wyzard, no, I dno't think so |
| 04:43.11 | mainer | 2.6.23-rc5-686 |
| 04:43.18 | |Slurpee| | i mean a fresh debain install |
| 04:43.21 | |Slurpee| | start from nothing |
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| 04:43.37 | mainer | stock kernel still works fine |
| 04:43.39 | |Slurpee| | not too many services....but enough to wait around for a few hours while updates download. |
| 04:44.13 | Wyzard | Riotblade: I'm using sid and I noticed recently (when I rebooted about a week ago) that my initrd didn't work right... fortunately I had a backup of an older one that did |
| 04:44.26 | |Slurpee| | downloading the dvd backup from the office @ 1.90 MB/s |
| 04:44.48 | Wyzard | Riotblade: The only reason I can think of for an already-installed, working kernel to stop working when you installed a different kernel, is that initrds get regenerated when you install kernels, so maybe the working one got replaced with a broken one |
| 04:45.01 | Riotblade | ah |
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| 04:45.06 | Riotblade | thanks |
| 04:45.12 | Riotblade | I'm currently uninstalling both of them |
| 04:45.15 | Riotblade | you think they had conflicting files? |
| 04:45.32 | Wyzard | Riotblade: no |
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| 04:45.57 | Wyzard | Riotblade: if the problem is a bad initrd, uninstalling one of the kernels won't fix that |
| 04:46.11 | Riotblade | i'm uninstalling both |
| 04:46.34 | Wyzard | Riotblade: If the initrd generator is broken, you're likely to have the same problem when you reinstall them |
| 04:46.42 | Riotblade | ah, how would I fix it? |
| 04:47.06 | Wyzard | Riotblade: Assuming that's the problem, you could downgrade initramfs-tools, I guess |
| 04:47.17 | Wyzard | Riotblade: but try to determine whether that actually *is* the problem first |
| 04:47.26 | Riotblade | how would I do that? |
| 04:47.29 | Wyzard | Riotblade: Just because it's the only answer I can think of at the moment doesn't mean it's the only possibility at all |
| 04:47.44 | Wyzard | Riotblade: What happened when you tried to boot the kernel that used to work? Where did it fail? |
| 04:47.54 | Riotblade | I wouldnt be able to tell you that |
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| 04:48.33 | Wyzard | Riotblade: Try it again and see if you can determine whether the failure is in the kernel itself, or in something being done by the initrd |
| 04:48.42 | Wyzard | Riotblade: or even, possibly, in GRUB trying to load the kernel or the initrd from disk |
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| 04:49.59 | mainer | maybe the hdx,y to sdx,y ?? |
| 04:50.23 | mainer | if rootfs isn't found no joy |
| 04:50.41 | Wyzard | Isn't that determined by the kernel, though, and not the initrd? |
| 04:51.08 | Wyzard | I don't see how regenerating an initrd for the same kernel would change that |
| 04:51.09 | mainer | by the fs module afaik |
| 04:51.57 | mainer | yuh,unless the config file changed w/o his knowledge then the generated image is changed,dunno,i'm out of idea's |
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| 04:52.48 | mainer | not fs module sorry hdd controller i think |
| 04:53.18 | enyawix | if you put debian in your car what gui would you use? |
| 04:53.42 | emss` | if I use LVM then setup /var to use 5GB will I be able to resize that after my initial debian install and say move the excess space to my /home partition? |
| 04:53.47 | Riotblade | [21:48] <Wyzard> Riotblade: Try it again and see if you can determine whether the failure is in the kernel itself, or in something being done by the initrd |
| 04:53.48 | Wyzard | mainer: yeah, the driver for the IDE/SATA controller |
| 04:53.59 | Riotblade | How would I do that? Sorry for asking these questions |
| 04:54.01 | mainer | an xterm??,Wyzard yuh |
| 04:54.20 | Wyzard | emss`: Yes, though you'll have to unmount /var if you want to shrink it |
| 04:54.33 | Wyzard | emss`: ext3 supports enlarging while mounted, but not shrinking |
| 04:55.39 | Riotblade | Wyzard, would it help if I told you that the system was actually up? |
| 04:55.45 | Riotblade | Network wise it's working |
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| 04:56.18 | Wyzard | emss`: and if your volume group is full, you may need to rearrange things with pvmove so that the newly-created "hole" of free space is at the end of /home |
| 04:56.40 | Wyzard | Riotblade: When booting from the kernel that you said stopped working, the system gets far enough that it can communicate on the network? |
| 04:56.48 | Riotblade | yeah |
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| 04:57.10 | emss` | Wyzard: does the LVM stuff literally move the data on the disk? |
| 04:57.25 | emss` | Wyzard: I've never used LVM I need to read up on it |
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| 04:57.35 | mainer | no xserver? sounds like |
| 04:57.40 | Wyzard | Riotblade: That's not a kernel failing to boot |
| 04:57.44 | Wyzard | Riotblade: Where does it actually fail? |
| 04:57.58 | Riotblade | Well... I can't access anything on it when i'm on those kernels |
| 04:58.39 | Riotblade | however, I can access everything fine on the kernel that the server came with (which wasnt those) |
| 04:58.39 | Wyzard | emss`: You can use pvmove to physically move your "partitions" around on the disk, without affecting anything that's using them |
| 04:58.39 | Wyzard | Riotblade: "can't access anything"? |
| 04:58.41 | Wyzard | Riotblade: You're being extremely vague |
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| 04:58.53 | Riotblade | Well, I'm not physically connected to the computer remember? |
| 04:58.59 | Riotblade | I can only tell you what I cant access |
| 04:59.09 | Riotblade | Which is all the network related things |
| 04:59.27 | Wyzard | Riotblade: What, specifically, are you trying to "access" that you can't? |
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| 04:59.44 | Riotblade | SSH, FTP, everything else that's accessible through the original kernel |
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| 04:59.54 | Wyzard | Riotblade: OK, so you can't connect to it on the network |
| 05:00.17 | Wyzard | Riotblade: but you said a few minutes ago that it boots far enough to be able to communicate on the network |
| 05:00.25 | Riotblade | Yes, I have 3 kernels |
| 05:00.37 | Riotblade | 1 is the original that came with the server, 2nd is Etch, 3rd is bigmem etch |
| 05:00.46 | deadcat_ | clear is not working: clear: error while loading shared libraries: libtic.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:00.46 | Riotblade | 1 is the one that I dont want to use and I have been using the 2nd one |
| 05:01.00 | Riotblade | I tried installing the 3rd one today and 2 and 3 stopped being accessible but 1 is fine |
| 05:01.50 | Wyzard | Riotblade: So when you boot #2 or #3, the system does *not* boot far enough to communicate on the network? |
| 05:02.42 | Riotblade | It can communicate, (pingwise) but it refuses me when I try to connect to SSH, FTP etc |
| 05:02.54 | Wyzard | OK |
| 05:03.08 | Wyzard | If you can ping it, then it's gotten through the initial kernel startup and the initrd stuff |
| 05:03.21 | Riotblade | which led me to believe that it was originally the firewall |
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| 05:03.44 | Riotblade | but the iptables are empty right now and my first kernel works |
| 05:03.48 | Wyzard | If it's remote and you can't SSH to it, how are you able to reboot it, and choose which kernel it starts up with? |
| 05:04.34 | Riotblade | I have this "rescue system" service that I can mount the hard disks and tinker with it |
| 05:06.21 | Wyzard | Use the rescue system to take a look at /var/log/syslog after booting one of the non-working kernels |
| 05:06.26 | Wyzard | Look for error messages |
| 05:06.34 | Riotblade | okay |
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| 05:09.31 | drmitch | which package contains xsendkeys ? |
| 05:09.51 | Guerin | drmitch: the `search' package |
| 05:09.57 | mainer | lol |
| 05:09.59 | Guerin | in fact, it contains EVERYTHING |
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| 05:12.14 | Riotblade | Wyzard, I dont see anything out of the ordinary |
| 05:12.43 | Riotblade | When iptables is empty, is the default policy to accept all? |
| 05:12.49 | Wyzard | yes |
| 05:12.51 | mainer | yup |
| 05:15.13 | Wyzard | Riotblade: You could nmap it to see if the ports are accessible but closed, or if the packets are actually being blocked (which nmap calls "filtered") |
| 05:15.39 | Wyzard | Riotblade: if they're all closed and not filtered, it could be that your daemons just aren't starting up |
| 05:16.01 | Wyzard | which could indicate that one of the initscripts is hanging |
| 05:16.25 | Wyzard | after /etc/init.d/networking is run (which is why the machine has an IP and can be pinged), but before things like /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 05:18.55 | Riotblade | thanks, i'll come back tomorrow if I have anything |
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| 05:22.29 | binho | yo necessito de liborbit2_2.14.3-0.1_i386 pero no hay en debian packages..q devo hacer? |
| 05:22.45 | binho | por favor! |
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| 05:36.03 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I find out which programs the package education-geography contains ? |
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| 05:36.50 | Crush` | does anyone know how to just select the kernel version from uname -r without -generic, -smp, etc |
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| 05:37.06 | Guerin | Crush`: `man uname' does |
| 05:37.11 | Guerin | strange, but true |
| 05:37.18 | Crush` | hmm |
| 05:37.22 | Crush` | looked there and didn't see anything |
| 05:37.25 | Crush` | will check again... |
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| 05:38.41 | wils0n__ | Crush`: what do you mean by the kernel version? That actually -is- part of the kernel version |
| 05:38.54 | Jemt | apt-file was the solution :) |
| 05:38.54 | wils0n__ | someone has appended that to the kernel version, most likely the debian developers |
| 05:39.37 | erpo | Crush`: uname -r|sed -e 's/\(.*\)-.*/\1/' |
| 05:39.41 | erpo | Crush`: Does that do what you want? |
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| 05:39.55 | Crush` | indeed it doe thank you kindly |
| 05:40.30 | erpo | Crush`: wils0n__ is right, though. That -generic thing is part of the kernel version. |
| 05:40.55 | Crush` | that's good to know |
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| 05:41.13 | Crush` | i thought that in gentoo it wasn't, so thought it was strange that it would be in a debian based distro |
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| 05:47.50 | DeMoNSeEd | hello |
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| 05:48.29 | DeMoNSeEd | may i ask, probably a very noob question? |
| 05:48.46 | Supaplex | !tell DeMoNSeEd -about ask |
| 05:48.48 | Supaplex | sure |
| 05:48.52 | DeMoNSeEd | k |
| 05:48.53 | DeMoNSeEd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:49.41 | DeMoNSeEd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.54 | DeMoNSeEd | what kernel should i install |
| 05:50.03 | DeMoNSeEd | or is the 486 okay to use |
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| 05:51.25 | DeMoNSeEd | i would have thought the amd 64 but was told to stay away from that as the package set is not very good |
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| 05:52.25 | Supaplex | you might want 686 |
| 05:52.37 | DeMoNSeEd | k |
| 05:52.48 | DeMoNSeEd | i thank you very very much |
| 05:52.55 | Supaplex | amd64 is ok, but there are a few commonly requested things that suffer. non-free generally. (eg, flash) |
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| 05:53.13 | DeMoNSeEd | yup, so i was told |
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| 05:53.27 | DeMoNSeEd | so i will do that, ya made my night |
| 05:53.32 | DeMoNSeEd | thanks again |
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| 05:58.15 | hugle | Hello everyone. |
| 05:58.33 | hugle | Is here anyone succesfully installed Linux on a SAS drive ? |
| 05:59.37 | hugle | Actually here is LSI SAS MegaRAID adapter. I even tried to install Linux DEBIAN on ide hard drive, recompile kernel to support LSI SAS, and still with no luck |
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| 06:01.50 | Guerin | hugle: if that's the evil piece of shite I think it is, you need a proprietary kernel module. I think SLES comes with it. |
| 06:02.03 | Guerin | hugle: my advice: sell the fucking thing online and buy a real server. |
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| 06:02.54 | hugle | Guerin, the problem is that I didn't but this fucking thing ;)) SLES - ? |
| 06:03.30 | hugle | And I think advising to sell this thing isn't a an option... |
| 06:03.41 | hugle | Guerin, poor thing is that FreeBSD sees the disk with no problem |
| 06:03.46 | hugle | But freebsd isn't an option for me |
| 06:03.56 | Guerin | hugle: *advising* to sell it is always an option. Actually selling it might be ;) |
| 06:04.11 | Guerin | hugle: SLES = SuSE Linux Enterprise Server |
| 06:04.24 | Guerin | but TBPFH i'd almost rather install windows |
| 06:04.36 | Guerin | why is freebsd not an option? |
| 06:05.07 | SpeedyG | it's not debian? ;) |
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| 06:05.36 | Guerin | it's not debian, but it's way fucking better than LuSE |
| 06:05.43 | SpeedyG | true |
| 06:05.45 | hugle | Well, I started to like Debian. All machines are running debian, and swithing to freebsd will make me lots of trouble |
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| 06:06.09 | Guerin | hugle: consider it a learning experience. FreeBSD will be less work than SuSe. |
| 06:06.32 | hugle | THe bad thing with this machine is : |
| 06:06.46 | Guerin | it's not *that* bad. For instance, you don't have to use a fucking evil GUI control panel to do anything. |
| 06:07.23 | hugle | When I change a jumper on the MOBO "Enable software RAID" to disable. I start seeing sda and sdb disk, but option to boot from this disk disapears in BIOS. afted getting the jumper on ENABLE option in BIOS comes back ... |
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| 06:08.00 | Guerin | hugle: heh. Yep, that's the one I'm thinking of. |
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| 06:08.37 | hugle | it's BIOS problem ? Maybe I should try upgrading it .. ? |
| 06:08.52 | hugle | but damn, I dont' want to try upgrading bios on newly bought machine :) |
| 06:08.54 | Guerin | good luck |
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| 06:09.48 | Obligatory | Yo. |
| 06:10.14 | hugle | hi |
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| 06:11.26 | Obligatory | Tech question: anybody know if there's a 'block device' file system for mount? Or else how to mount a physical device as a single binary file. |
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| 06:14.17 | erpo | Obligatory: In many ways a block device is like a big binary file. What do you want to do? |
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| 06:16.19 | Obligatory | erpo, use a file carver program (read only) works on disk image files, but not on devices... |
| 06:16.35 | shai4lud | hi |
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| 06:16.38 | Obligatory | ahem, 'that works on...' |
| 06:16.53 | erpo | Obligatory: file carver == splits file up into chunks? |
| 06:17.20 | erpo | Obligatory: i.e. splits a 10MB file into 5 different 2MB chunks? |
| 06:18.55 | Obligatory | erpo, nothing like that. It's for file recovery. see http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Carving |
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| 06:21.16 | SpeedyG | Obligatory: so what I see, is that you should create a disk-image, mount that image(optionally) and carve that for data |
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| 06:22.42 | Obligatory | SpeedyG, yes, that'd be nice, but space is an issue. |
| 06:23.31 | SpeedyG | well, I dont know how much space you need, but harddrives arent that expensive.. and I learned the very painfull lesson that you should never 'try' to do such things on the original data |
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| 06:24.13 | erpo | Obligatory: Are you actually doing forensics? Do you have a write blocker? |
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| 06:27.22 | Paivakil | I am using wwwoffle with resolvconf and pdnsd; but sometimes I have to try sites 2 or 3 times for the URI to resolve. Where is the problem? |
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| 06:29.28 | hugle | Paivakil, internet problem, timeouts ? |
| 06:29.39 | Paivakil | not likely |
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| 06:30.11 | Paivakil | dig <uri> gives answers instantly; but not the ipaddress of the site i am looking for |
| 06:30.28 | Paivakil | do a ping <uri> two or three times and then things work out |
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| 06:30.55 | Paivakil | on windoze with the same machine, there is no such problem |
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| 06:30.58 | hugle | only after 1-2 first time outs ping goes well ? |
| 06:31.04 | hugle | hm. then dunno |
| 06:31.26 | Paivakil | I have misconfigured something; but cannot find what. |
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| 06:31.52 | Paivakil | resolvconf? pdnsd? |
| 06:32.02 | Obligatory | erpo, software testing, a WB isn't necessary for this. I take it you're not aware of an appropriate mountable file system or kludge. |
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| 06:33.13 | Paivakil | hugle: yes, ping times out one or two times |
| 06:34.24 | Paivakil | err.... not time out, but says "unknown host" repeatedly before working |
| 06:36.01 | Guerin | Paivakil: choose better nameservers |
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| 06:36.29 | Guerin | the only time you'll get `unknown host' is when a nameserver replies with `no such' |
| 06:36.37 | hugle | Paivakil: try instaling bind9 and check ? |
| 06:36.39 | erpo | Obligatory: My gut tells me there probably isn't a filesystem that will present its own block device as a file. If you want to write one, you might look into FUSE for simplicity. Other than that, it may be possible to intercept system calls from your carver attempting to determine the kind of file it is. |
| 06:36.57 | Guerin | if the host does exist and your nameserver doesn't realise it, it's worse than useless. Might even have been poisoned by your isp :) |
| 06:37.18 | erpo | Obligatory: You know, it just occurred to me that if it doesn't check the filetype and only checks the path, a link might fool it. |
| 06:38.35 | Paivakil | hugle: oh yes - looks like bind9 got uninstalled - probably unintentionally!! |
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| 06:40.39 | Obligatory | SpeedyG, yes space is preferable, but not always an option. For more background on this real-world issue see: http://ocfa.sourceforge.net/libcarvpath/ (which has nothing to do with my current inquiry) |
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| 06:41.22 | hugle | Paivakil: what nameservers you had in resolV.conf ? |
| 06:41.37 | Rhoruns_ | is anyone here experienced with Smoothwall? |
| 06:41.43 | Obligatory | erpo, I tried a symlink. :) Perhaps nobody ever thought it'd be useful -- I can see why. |
| 06:41.59 | Paivakil | resov.conf is managed by resolvconf |
| 06:42.01 | |Slurpee| | i have debia/dhcp3d-server running dhcp on a network. dns will only work if i manually assing dns on the client. any ideas ? |
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| 06:42.19 | Obligatory | ahem "it"=a flat block file system mount option. |
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| 06:43.08 | |Slurpee| | i have debian/dhcp3d-server running dhcp on a network. dns will only work if i manually assing dns on the client. any ideas ? |
| 06:43.42 | Obligatory | |Slurpee|, "manually assing"? |
| 06:44.04 | dakoo | porn dsn server |
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| 06:53.47 | simonrvn | damned quiet |
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| 06:56.17 | simonrvn | happy eating then cast |
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| 06:56.55 | simonrvn | ouch. lemme guess, no pinning either |
| 06:56.55 | xand | another fun remote rebuild |
| 06:56.57 | RvGaTe^work | morning... |
| 06:56.57 | Supaplex | !lart root@xand |
| 06:57.06 | simonrvn | hi Rv |
| 06:57.09 | RvGaTe^work | hey |
| 06:57.12 | RvGaTe^work | hows it going ? |
| 06:57.16 | possie | hi, i've think i got a corrupted filesystem, because when i try to mount my ext3 i get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error" anyone that might have a clue to what i can try? |
| 06:57.20 | simonrvn | good, you? |
| 06:57.24 | RvGaTe^work | tired... |
| 06:57.33 | simonrvn | me too, heh |
| 06:57.41 | RvGaTe^work | #offtopic shall we ? |
| 06:57.42 | Supaplex | possie: file -sk /dev/sda* |
| 06:57.43 | xand | possie: fsck it |
| 06:57.48 | cast | fsck it? |
| 06:58.03 | Supaplex | fsck (8) - check and repair a Linux file system |
| 06:58.51 | possie | xand, fsck doesn't work |
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| 06:59.01 | possie | xand, i get: Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... |
| 06:59.02 | Obligatory | erpo, if you're interested in a solution, I just found this: http://chunkfs.florz.de/ 'chunkfs' which in a test run worked fine on a floppy. |
| 06:59.35 | possie | xand, e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1 |
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| 07:00.30 | cast | good thing you got that backup :) |
| 07:00.43 | possie | cast hehehe |
| 07:00.50 | xand | dmesg | tail |
| 07:00.54 | xand | errors? |
| 07:00.54 | Obligatory | possie, I think you should be running 'fsck.ext3' |
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| 07:01.56 | possie | Obligatory, i thought e2fsck used fsck.ext3 |
| 07:02.30 | Obligatory | possie, Maybe not. ext2 and ext3 are different. |
| 07:03.05 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:03.09 | Guerin | ext2 is ext3 |
| 07:03.19 | Guerin | ext3 is ext2+journal, more specifically |
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| 07:03.46 | Obligatory | Guerin, yeah, but the journal adds certain data structures and functions that checking between the two may vary. |
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| 07:05.11 | Obligatory | OTOH, both /sbin/fsck.ext2 and /sbin/fsck.ext3 seem to be the same file... |
| 07:05.26 | possie | Obligatory, the man page also says "e2fsck - check a Linux ext2/ext3 file system" |
| 07:05.27 | possie | Supaplex, i get: /dev/sda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
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| 07:06.23 | erpo | Obligatory: The only difference between ext2, ext3, and ext4 is which feature bits are set. |
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| 07:06.37 | Supaplex | possie: you might be able to guess where the backup superblocks are with mkfs.ext3 -n |
| 07:06.51 | erpo | Obligatory: And thanks for the link. I'll remember that trick. |
| 07:07.50 | possie | Supaplex, oke let me try that |
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| 07:08.38 | piko_ | Hi, I have question related to virtualbox. It seems that (perhaps disk operations are painfully slow (deleting approx 10MB lasts nearly half an hour). Could anyone comment? |
| 07:08.39 | |Slurpee| | how can i automate three commands during boot ? |
| 07:08.55 | piko_ | I tried both ose and not-free version |
| 07:09.07 | |Slurpee| | such as /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start |
| 07:09.28 | cast | |Slurpee|: with update-rc.d i imagine |
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| 07:10.00 | huglee | |Slurpee|: make executable file like : /etc/init.d/your_script |
| 07:10.22 | |Slurpee| | it will auto run at boot? |
| 07:10.23 | huglee | then run update-rc.d your_script --defaults 99 smth like that |
| 07:10.35 | huglee | see the syntax of update rc.d |
| 07:10.39 | huglee | see the syntax of update-rc.d |
| 07:10.56 | huglee | you can make start/stop switches so it stop on shutdown/restart and start on boot. |
| 07:11.14 | ameyer | piko_: for what it's worth, virtualized OSes tend to have slow I/O, but that's like ridiculously slow |
| 07:11.42 | piko_ | ameyer, I awaited some slower operations but this seems to be REALLY slow |
| 07:12.00 | ameyer | (like, XP takes 6 hours or so in qemu, but more like 30 minutes on real hardware) |
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| 07:12.11 | possie | Supaplex, and if i got these superblock backups blocks for instance: 8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729 |
| 07:12.12 | ameyer | piko_: yeah, that's almost certainly not normal |
| 07:12.15 | Supaplex | piko_: are the kernel acceleration modules loaded? and what speed of hardware is it running on? Is there only one instance of it? |
| 07:12.17 | possie | Supaplex, how can i use those? |
| 07:12.37 | ameyer | if that was normal, virtualization wouldn't be anything more than a neat toy |
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| 07:13.00 | Supaplex | possie: man fsck.ext3. I'm pretty sure there's an option to specify which backup superblock you want. fsck.ext3 (8) - check a Linux ext2/ext3 file system |
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| 07:13.43 | possie | Supaplex, k thanks for the info |
| 07:13.52 | Obligatory | erpo, glad to share; now trying it on a bigger drive (3 gigs)... it works, and the carver is chugging away, which was the goal. (Don't know how well the carver itself works, but that's another story.) |
| 07:13.52 | Supaplex | possie: that only works if you used the defaults. (which is the norm in most cases). If you did some trickery while formatting the filesystem (maybe tune2fs knows), you'll have to use the same values, otherwise mkfs.ext3 -n throws a bad guess. |
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| 07:14.05 | piko_ | ameyer, Supaplex Well, it is bein run on Core Duo (Not core 2 duo) on debian testing, kvm modules are not present as virtualbox does not like it, vboxdrv was loaded. Hosted system was Win XP Home edition and seemed to run pretty well till the moment I needed unistall some application. |
| 07:14.43 | SpeedyG | Obligatory: if that has nothing to do with the inquiry, then I wonder what you have to do with that project ? :) |
| 07:14.44 | ameyer | yeah, definitely not normal |
| 07:15.17 | piko_ | Supaplex, yes, there was only one instalce |
| 07:15.25 | piko_ | s/instalce/instance |
| 07:15.29 | ameyer | in my experience with qemu with the kqemu module loaded, I/O is about an order of magnitude slower than on my real hardware |
| 07:16.00 | ameyer | although my computer's approaching 4 years old, and was far from top of the line when it was new |
| 07:16.29 | piko_ | ameyer, have you tried some FSs? |
| 07:16.38 | piko_ | filesystems |
| 07:17.25 | Obligatory | SpeedyG, 'libcarve'? Nothing, other than being a distant admirer of it. But really there's 1001 practical uses for carving. Ah the things users do... |
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| 07:18.08 | SpeedyG | Obligatory: ah, I was just curious, since it's developed by the dutch KLPD, and i'm dutch ;) |
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| 07:18.36 | piko_ | ameyer, sorry, I wanted to know if you experimented with several filesystems just to know if I could speed it somehow. Or if there are better results with hosted OS file formats (qcow, qcow2 ...) |
| 07:18.58 | ameyer | U really haven't experimented with much... |
| 07:19.01 | ameyer | erm, I |
| 07:20.01 | ameyer | I'd guess that it'd be faster on a non-journaled filesystem with a non-sparse(if that's the right term) image |
| 07:21.12 | ameyer | but my experience was with a qcow image on a ext3 filesystem, so I don't know |
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| 07:21.27 | ameyer | at least I think it was qcow |
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| 07:21.53 | piko_ | ameyer, ok, I will try some benchmarks while I will have some time |
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| 07:22.06 | ameyer | it was also with a Ubuntu host OS, for what that's worth |
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| 07:22.31 | |Slurpee| | sweet, update-rc.d worked great. |
| 07:22.33 | |Slurpee| | thank you |
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| 07:22.55 | piko_ | ameyer, Supaplex generally have you or anyone seen some reliable benchmarks like Xen x Qemu x VirtualBox x VMware? |
| 07:23.01 | ameyer | piko_: also, it might help if the image was on a different disk from your swap partition |
| 07:23.09 | piko_ | ameyer, oh |
| 07:23.13 | Tr0gd0r | piko_ i want to know which is better |
| 07:23.25 | piko_ | ameyer, perhaps you are right, really |
| 07:23.44 | Tr0gd0r | piko_ from what i hear virtualbox/qemu are the fastest |
| 07:23.52 | piko_ | unfortunatelly this is being run on laptop which limits is |
| 07:23.57 | ameyer | or if you got more RAM so you weren't hitting swap so much |
| 07:23.58 | Tr0gd0r | but youd think vmware would be |
| 07:24.04 | Fox_1_ | how can I install 2.6.20 version of kernel on debian? I mean from repository. |
| 07:24.18 | piko_ | ameyer, well the box has 1GB (not so much) |
| 07:24.33 | cast | Fox_1_: hmm, .22 and .21 are in bpo |
| 07:24.54 | Fox_1_ | cast, where? |
| 07:25.07 | cast | /msg dpkg bpo |
| 07:25.11 | piko_ | Tr0gd0r, I heard some good things about kvm, xen, |
| 07:25.19 | ameyer | piko_: could you fire up the VM and tell me how much swap free -m says you're using? |
| 07:25.38 | piko_ | ameyer, well in 15 minutes perhaps |
| 07:25.41 | ameyer | also, upgrading to a faster HD could also help... |
| 07:25.51 | piko_ | ameyer, it is notebook :( |
| 07:26.09 | ameyer | so? |
| 07:26.22 | piko_ | do you thing that external disc could improve it? (In theory 480Mbit/s) |
| 07:26.37 | Supaplex | piko_: I suppose if you partitioned Xen to allocate a dedicated ide controller (from the pci bus) to a guest, you'd get better performance |
| 07:26.42 | ameyer | if you're heavily using swap, possibly |
| 07:26.47 | Obligatory | SpeedyG, cool. Have to run (that is, rest) now... nite all. |
| 07:27.01 | cast | no one gets 480Mbps over usb |
| 07:27.14 | piko_ | cast, I know |
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| 07:29.01 | ameyer | well, I need to go to bed |
| 07:29.39 | Tr0gd0r | vmware workstation has the best performance |
| 07:29.43 | Tr0gd0r | but you cant use it headless :( |
| 07:30.11 | cast | anyone know how to unfadeout the Do this automatically for files of this type from now on in iceweasels file open dialog [i want to save them, without having to click save to disk -> ok] |
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| 07:30.46 | piko_ | ameyer, thanks for being helpuf |
| 07:30.50 | piko_ | helpfull |
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| 07:31.10 | piko_ | Tr0gd0r, I heard different things from public benchmarks |
| 07:31.21 | Tr0gd0r | link? |
| 07:32.00 | piko_ | Tr0gd0r, sorry, it was some time ago, but it was one of the first I googled for linux virtualization benchmarks perhaps, I can not tell reliably |
| 07:32.47 | Tr0gd0r | http://www.linux-gamers.net/smartsection.item.56/virtualbox-vs-qemu.html |
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| 07:38.39 | piko_ | Tr0gd0r, well, thanks I have not seen this one |
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| 07:44.24 | tarrybone | hello, i am having issues with apt-get and aptitude. initially i had the dynamic mmap error, and googled and found a solution involving apt.conf and Cache-Limit. but then when i reran update, i got a segfault, and now both apt-get and aptitude segfault for any use involving the package lists. |
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| 07:44.54 | tarrybone | i was considering deleting everything in /var/lib/apt/lists and re-running update |
| 07:45.08 | streuner_ | !dynamic mmap |
| 07:45.08 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is, like, "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
| 07:45.24 | streuner_ | tarrybone: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:45.35 | cast | in the amd64 xen kernel PAE wouldn't be enabled right? seems pretty pointless in 64bit land |
| 07:45.38 | streuner_ | tarrybone: and please show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 07:45.49 | streuner_ | tarrybone: paste.debian.net |
| 07:46.07 | tarrybone | streuner_: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 07:46.37 | py_ | hello |
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| 07:48.43 | py_ | I've a box running kernel 2.6.21-2-486, and I need to grab the kernel-headers package for that kernel. But apt-get tries to install the wrong version, and I can't locate it using packages.debian.org, as this kernel version is not "up-to-date" anymore. Is there an archive somewhere where I can locate this package? |
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| 07:49.13 | tarrybone | streuner_: http://paste.debian.net/39475 |
| 07:49.52 | skamander30 | hej |
| 07:49.54 | tarrybone | streuner_: but please note that i dont get mmap anymore, having used the first solution dpkg listed, and now get segfaults |
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| 07:50.22 | streuner_ | tarrybone: comment all lines exept #1 _and_ #5 |
| 07:51.08 | streuner_ | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 07:51.15 | skamander30 | ludzie pomocy!!!please w sprawie sabayon-kogos mocnego (madrego)szukam!!!!! |
| 07:51.20 | streuner_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:51.38 | streuner_ | tarrybone: only these lines you need |
| 07:51.51 | skamander30 | ludzie pomocy!!!please w sprawie sabayon-kogos mocnego (madrego)szukam!!!!! |
| 07:52.01 | streuner_ | tarrybone: RAM is ok? |
| 07:52.12 | xand | skamander30: no |
| 07:52.31 | skamander30 | instaluje 7 raz sabayona:( |
| 07:52.41 | skamander30 | mam laptopa |
| 07:52.44 | xand | english only |
| 07:52.50 | skamander30 | i 2 dyski |
| 07:52.54 | huglee | skamander30: angielski :) |
| 07:52.59 | huglee | skamander30: english pls |
| 07:53.03 | tarrybone | streuner_: with just those two lines, it works. i dont know about ram - afaik its fine... |
| 07:53.05 | py_ | so, the package I'm looking for is linux-headers-2.6.21-2-486. How/where can I grab it? |
| 07:53.05 | skamander30 | oj please! |
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| 07:53.37 | streuner_ | tarrybone: before you edit sources.list, read "man sources.list" - you should know what you doing |
| 07:53.42 | skamander30 | I did not about it.I am fyrst time here but I would like to explane in polish |
| 07:53.48 | xand | !pl |
| 07:53.48 | dpkg | hmm... pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 07:54.00 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:54.07 | streuner_ | tarrybone: if you get still segfaults check memtest |
| 07:54.32 | tarrybone | streuner_: i had, actually extensively, and several guides and reference packages too. was i doing something wrong in those other lines? |
| 07:54.44 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 07:54.45 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
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| 07:56.11 | skamander30 | pomocy!!!!!!!!!szukam kogos madrego przy sabayon-ale po polsku |
| 07:56.25 | Eulex | !pl |
| 07:56.26 | dpkg | somebody said pl was perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 07:57.04 | skamander30 | nie ma tam nikogo |
| 07:57.10 | skamander30 | na #debian.pl |
| 07:57.13 | huglee | :D |
| 07:57.17 | xand | sigh |
| 07:57.17 | huglee | skamander30: private me |
| 07:57.19 | streuner_ | speak english |
| 07:59.15 | tarrybone | streuner_: hmm ... interesting. i had thought i could run stable and install some testing or unstable packages; am i misunderstanding that or just misunderstanding the way to do it? |
| 07:59.21 | skamander30 | kurde jacy tu wszyscy zasadowi a czlowiek potrzebuje rady-mieszkam w Irlandii 3 lata ale wole wyjasnic problem w polskim,takie przestepstwo? |
| 07:59.45 | streuner_ | tarrybone: NO, you dont install other packages out of other releases |
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| 08:00.18 | streuner_ | tarrybone: you could compile packages via (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) or just use backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 08:00.26 | folken | tarrybone: you can do that. you need to set your default release in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 08:00.33 | skamander30 | ? |
| 08:00.46 | folken | tarrybone: and add the testing repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:00.49 | streuner_ | nah, dont recommend pinning here please |
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| 08:01.16 | tarrybone | i think perhaps backports is what i want, but in any case thanks for the extra leads and for bearing with me :-) |
| 08:01.17 | folken | tarrybone: when you want to upgrade a packagage to stable you need to specifiy apt-get install -t testing <foo> |
| 08:01.22 | streuner_ | pinning is a wonderful idea, but in practise it gives you lots of headaches |
| 08:01.24 | Eulex | tarrybone, you can do that completely at your own risk. I wouldn't bet that you can run testing or unstable packages on stable; you can probably run unstable packages on testing, though. |
| 08:01.47 | folken | you will need to upgrade libc for example.. |
| 08:02.48 | streuner_ | !blairsmite folken |
| 08:03.02 | streuner_ | folken: wth are you doing? |
| 08:03.43 | streuner_ | folken: do you recommend testing or unstable for someone who have problems to unterstand sources.list? |
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| 08:09.54 | py_ | are previous versions of updated packages archived somewhere? |
| 08:10.06 | streuner_ | !sdn |
| 08:10.07 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 08:10.41 | py_ | streuner_, very nice, thx a lot |
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| 08:14.22 | skamander30 | ? |
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| 08:18.44 | L0cKn | Hello all ;-) |
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| 08:19.33 | themill | !greet L0cKn |
| 08:19.33 | dpkg | Hi there, L0cKn |
| 08:19.52 | L0cKn | :-) |
| 08:20.18 | lyakh | hi, what happened to firefox / iceweasel under etch? it bacame teeeerribly slow (compared to firefox under sarge) |
| 08:21.00 | SlimG | I'm getting "convert: unable to get type metrics `Testing'." when using imagemagick, anyone else encountered this error and possibly a sollution? |
| 08:21.10 | SlimG | ^ Running Etch |
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| 08:24.14 | themill | SlimG: this is all I can find: http://bugs.debian.org/361141 |
| 08:25.50 | lyakh | even just switching from iceweasel to another window with ALT-TAB, even when there's only one simple tab in IW, takes about 2-3 seconds |
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| 08:26.43 | themill | lyakh: that doesn't sound right.... have you restarted iceweasel recently? |
| 08:27.02 | lyakh | themill: often enough |
| 08:27.22 | lyakh | just started it and then did alt-tab |
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| 08:29.15 | themill | lyakh: ouch. Extensions and plugins are the normal culprits for this sort of behaviour... have you tried safe-mode? |
| 08:29.30 | skamander30 | sorry:)czy jest ktos kto mi pomoze rozwiazac z sabayon?po polsku |
| 08:29.56 | lyakh | themill: how do I try it? might be that I copied .mozilla from sarge over |
| 08:30.05 | lyakh | smamander30: ne dumaiu:-) |
| 08:30.20 | lyakh | skamander30: sorry |
| 08:30.42 | themill | lyakh: iceweasel -safe-mode (man iceweasel) |
| 08:30.57 | skamander30 | bardzo kurwa smieszne-och |
| 08:31.03 | lyakh | themill: I could erase it completely (.mozilla) and then only import bookmarks - that's the most important |
| 08:31.06 | graytron | lyakh: whats the last number on the "-/+ buffers/cache" line in free output? |
| 08:31.59 | lyakh | grayton: -/+ buffers/cache: 138724 362044 |
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| 08:32.40 | lyakh | skamander30: I can understand your polish (mostly) but cannot speak really, sorry |
| 08:32.58 | SlimG | themill: thanks for taking time helping me, I've already encountered that bug, I've added the contrib repos and upgraded the libmagick package, but still no go, I've got a pretty tidy new install of etch so I wonder if this bug is closed to early |
| 08:33.15 | skamander30 | I live in Ireland 2 years but explane my problem in polish:) |
| 08:33.40 | SlimG | themill: The same convert command works in Ubuntu 7.10, guess it's a newer package version |
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| 08:35.11 | themill | SlimG: debian has the same upstream version in sid, lenny and etch, so I doubt that. You could look to see what's in the utnubu diff or what has changed in the packaging from etch onwards. |
| 08:35.20 | graytron | lyakh: close all iceweasels and try moving .mozilla aside for a while then. cant think of any better ideas |
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| 08:37.39 | lyakh | grayton, themill, yep, moved away .mozilla, copied bookmarks over - seems to be a little faster... |
| 08:38.32 | lyakh | still, just redrawing the window is slooow (900MHz Duron, 512MB RAM, very few apps running, no load), but that must be the window-manager / theme / gnome... |
| 08:38.59 | lyakh | will see how it goes with tab-switching, which used to be a real pain yesterday |
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| 08:39.39 | Guerin | appelza: does busybox have sed/awk? Otherwise you can probably do it in sh |
| 08:39.49 | Guerin | appelza: while read blah |
| 08:40.31 | tarrybone | appelza: perl -wnle'print " ", ++$i, " ", $_' |
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| 08:41.33 | appelza | doesnt have perl either :/ |
| 08:41.59 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 08:42.40 | lyakh | another question - can I have the old tab behaviour when all tabs were always visible even if very narrow? instead of disappearing while still being quite wide... |
| 08:43.15 | lyakh | disappearing from the visible area I mean |
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| 08:46.37 | themill | lyakh: not that I know of... there's a drop-down list of tabs on the right hand side to make that easier. (btw when you had too many tabs open under 1.x, they just spilled off the right hand side and became inaccessible except with Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn) |
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| 08:47.51 | RvGaTe^work | themill, watching porn hea? |
| 08:47.55 | graytron | lyakh: there's "browser.tabs.autoHide" setting in about:config. dunno what it does |
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| 08:48.26 | themill | graytron: that makes the tab bar disappear if there is only one tab open, I think. |
| 08:48.27 | lyakh | themill: too many as when they are not distinguishable any more? never had THAT many. And Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn is exactly what I use - so, very useful to see all tabs |
| 08:48.37 | themill | !kill RvGaTe^work |
| 08:48.44 | lyakh | at least up to 15-20 tabs should be visible and distinguishable |
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| 08:48.53 | appelza | hehe, yucky but it works; |
| 08:48.57 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 08:48.58 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.07 | Ace2016 | where do i get x11-xcb? compiz wants it |
| 08:49.24 | wols | Ace2016: using xlg or aiglx? |
| 08:49.53 | Ace2016 | well you said there is no xgl for debian so i guess i'm stuck with just plain xorg |
| 08:50.06 | graytron | themill: you're right |
| 08:50.32 | lyakh | grayton: there's also tabMinWidth... definitely want it smaller! |
| 08:50.41 | graytron | lyakh: well there are other 'tab' variables you might want to play with anyway :) no idea if it pays out |
| 08:51.05 | wols | Ace2016: are you compiling your own compiz? |
| 08:51.12 | graytron | lyakh: that "browser.tabs.autoHide" won't help you :) |
| 08:51.14 | Ace2016 | trying to |
| 08:51.34 | wols | Ace2016: then ask them. x11-xcb is not in debian either. but compiz is, at least in sid |
| 08:51.38 | Ace2016 | the repo one i found did not work, the window border does not show up, since you mentioned xgl, is there any way i can get it? |
| 08:52.01 | wols | it does work. the no borders problem happens often but can be (easily) solved |
| 08:52.26 | Ace2016 | so where can i get xgl? |
| 08:52.32 | lyakh | ok, with tabMinWidth set to 16 I can live for now:-) Thanks all! |
| 08:53.21 | themill | lyakh: ahh good... that's a useful setting... might play with that one.... ;) |
| 08:53.33 | wols | !xgl |
| 08:53.33 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported |
| 08:54.16 | jduggan | is there supposed to be 'see see' there |
| 08:54.17 | Ace2016 | !xgl-howto |
| 08:54.17 | dpkg | well, xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 08:54.17 | jduggan | :o |
| 08:54.33 | lyakh | ohh, sorry, graytron, misspelled your nick:-) |
| 08:54.40 | graytron | lyakh: np :D |
| 08:55.50 | themill | dpkg: xgl =~ s/see see/see/ |
| 08:55.50 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 08:56.11 | themill | jduggan: thanks for that. always good to improve the factoids. |
| 08:58.01 | n_np | lol jduggan |
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| 08:59.41 | Ace2016 | wols: think i could just grab xgl from a ubuntu repo? |
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| 09:00.59 | wols | no. that's a sure way for it not to work |
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| 09:05.18 | blame | my wireless router blocks traceroute, is there a way around that and pereform traceroute? |
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| 09:06.21 | valdyn | blame: configure that router properly |
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| 09:07.48 | blame | valdyn: this is beyond possible, my router does not support traceroute natuarlly |
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| 09:08.28 | jelly-home | blame: tcptraceroute maybe? |
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| 09:08.32 | valdyn | blame: i can hardly believe that, traceroute is no 'special' ability |
| 09:08.34 | wols | get a router that deserves the name then |
| 09:08.55 | wols | valdyn: the router might block all icmp to be "secure" |
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| 09:09.01 | blame | jelly-home: tried that it wont work |
| 09:09.27 | jelly-home | blame: buy a router configurable enough to pass all the normal data? |
| 09:09.37 | valdyn | wols: i wonder if there's really routers where its not possible to switch that filter he has off |
| 09:10.05 | blame | it has nothing to do about ICMP or configuration or firewall settings |
| 09:10.17 | blame | TP-Link is the brand |
| 09:10.24 | blame | its a good range wireless router |
| 09:10.30 | blame | works well |
| 09:10.43 | blame | it will not support traceroute for what ever reason |
| 09:11.21 | xand | !debootstrap |
| 09:11.21 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 09:11.30 | xand | hmm is that up to date? |
| 09:11.46 | xand | (compiling? is this gentoo? :P) |
| 09:11.53 | blame | http://www.tp-link.com/products/product_des.asp?id=35 that is the router in question |
| 09:12.08 | RvGaTe^work | !tell cydork about holland |
| 09:13.00 | valdyn | blame: it blocks pings too? |
| 09:13.14 | blame | valdyn: nope ping works |
| 09:13.20 | valdyn | blame: ping is the same |
| 09:13.23 | blame | and not trace |
| 09:13.24 | blame | i know |
| 09:13.29 | blame | it uses ICMP |
| 09:13.31 | blame | or UDP |
| 09:13.38 | blame | but it blocks both |
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| 09:13.59 | blame | iam clueless as to what may the reason be |
| 09:14.03 | wols | first you say it works, then you say it blocks both |
| 09:14.15 | wols | you are clueluess in other areas too |
| 09:14.20 | valdyn | if udp was blocked you'd hardly have internet access |
| 09:14.25 | jelly-home | blame: how did you find out it blocked both? |
| 09:14.25 | blame | it blocks both - ICMP and UDP |
| 09:14.35 | wols | blame: you are REALLY clueless |
| 09:14.53 | blame | look |
| 09:15.00 | wols | if ping works, it can't block it |
| 09:15.07 | blame | at first i was sitting at XP box |
| 09:15.10 | wols | and since you're on irc it can't block that either as valdyn said |
| 09:15.14 | blame | tried trace didnt work out |
| 09:15.22 | blame | and I thought |
| 09:15.28 | blame | the router blocks ICMP |
| 09:15.32 | wols | !tell blame about enter |
| 09:15.39 | blame | sorry |
| 09:16.18 | blame | I am absolutely certain that my router blocks traceroute via both protocols: ICMP and UDP |
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| 09:17.09 | blame | ping works, yes but traceroute will not work, as if it were designed not to work - my question is there a way around that |
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| 09:17.57 | valdyn | blame: you are probably interpreting something wrong, as there's no way to tell if a packet is sent from the traceroute program or from the ping program? |
| 09:17.58 | wols | ask your router maker not us |
| 09:18.20 | valdyn | blame: but there's still tcptraceroute that you could try |
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| 09:18.46 | blame | valdyn: I tried that utility without success |
| 09:18.55 | blame | my veond simply stated: |
| 09:19.11 | blame | I am sorry our router does not support trace route |
| 09:19.24 | valdyn | blame: veond? |
| 09:19.31 | blame | vendor |
| 09:19.33 | blame | sorry |
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| 09:20.35 | blame | is there a reason for tp-link to work on disabling trace route - is it security liability? |
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| 09:20.37 | valdyn | blame: have you used 'traceroute -I' ? |
| 09:20.47 | Trewas | normal traceroute has options for using ICMP or TCP packets instead of the default UDP, the returning data is ICMP packets and it is quite weird if router manages to break them if ping works |
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| 09:21.23 | blame | atm I am not connected via my router, valdyn I cant recall, perhaps not |
| 09:22.07 | blame | well let me connect it trough and get back to you see if we call assess the problem |
| 09:22.16 | valdyn | blame: i don't see where you had a case of icmp being blocked then |
| 09:22.22 | valdyn | blame: just udp, for whatever reason |
| 09:22.37 | blame | valdyn: windows uses ICMP for trace no? |
| 09:22.44 | valdyn | blame: no idea |
| 09:22.58 | Guerin | blame: what? MS use a documented protocol? Impossible! |
| 09:23.10 | blame | I believe it does |
| 09:23.15 | Guerin | they use win-ICMP#.NET |
| 09:23.15 | predder` | I've got an issue: My initrd isn't assembling the md (raid1) that root resides on before it trys to mount the root filesystem. Eventually it drops me to a shell and I assemble the device with an mdadm one liner, exit and the system boots fine |
| 09:23.31 | blame | well let me connect the router and et back to you |
| 09:23.35 | blame | brb |
| 09:23.40 | Guerin | which is the same as ICMP but with several hundred undocumented bugs and a layer of obfuscation |
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| 09:27.26 | wols | predder`: debian kernel? |
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| 09:28.32 | cmanns | What would be a easy way to mass rename files? |
| 09:28.46 | predder` | wols: it's a backport 2.6.22, system is running etch |
| 09:29.17 | predder` | however, why would the kernel make a difference, isn't the initrd responsible for bringing the raid up? |
| 09:29.34 | wols | depends how the initrd was made |
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| 09:30.10 | cast | cmanns: man rename perhaps |
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| 09:31.01 | predder` | wols: using the standard debian mkinitramfs method |
| 09:32.08 | predder` | I created a script containing the one liner and put it in /initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/blah but the initrd said a loop was detected or something? |
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| 09:32.41 | predder` | it was just <shebang> <one liner mdadm>.. is that sufficient? I'm really not well versed in shell scripting |
| 09:33.31 | blame | right trace route will not work with neither -I -U -T |
| 09:33.47 | blame | ping though works |
| 09:35.36 | lenbust | I'm getting this when doing apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 09:35.56 | lenbust | what could be wrong here? |
| 09:36.01 | cast | !apt-key |
| 09:36.27 | cast | hmm, or not. anyway, feed that public key into |apt-key add - |
| 09:36.56 | possie | Supaplex, you still here? |
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| 09:37.39 | Ronin | lenbust: /topic |
| 09:38.16 | lenbust | oh |
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| 09:43.37 | lenbust | how does apt-key want its input formatted? |
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| 09:44.07 | lenbust | 'echo A70DAF536070D3A1 | apt-key add -' is no good, gives "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found." |
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| 09:45.43 | cast | because thats a keyid not a key |
| 09:46.03 | Sirn | hi. um, I couldn't install Debian 4.0r1 (netinst), it get stuck at "Select and install software" progress, I switched to the console and see that it's stuck because untrusted package asking for confirmation (which comes from Debian security). Is there any way to fix that? |
| 09:47.32 | cast | i'd unplug the eth and install, then fix it by hand, but i'm not sure if thats the correct way |
| 09:47.42 | cydork | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 09:47.42 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 09:47.46 | cydork | lenbust: ^^ |
| 09:48.02 | lenbust | ah! |
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| 09:48.23 | lenbust | cast, you wanted me to feed the pubkeyid to the bot |
| 09:48.31 | Sirn | I'm thinking about that ... but somehow I don't feel it's right way to do >_>; |
| 09:48.46 | Sirn | netinst without net is funny |
| 09:48.47 | py_ | can I compile a module for a kernel compiled with gcc-4.1 with gcc-4.2 ? |
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| 09:51.05 | lenbust | thanks, cydork! |
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| 09:52.32 | lenbust | dpkg would have told me about this had I only asked the right question. hmpf. |
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| 09:58.21 | et | py_: not a good idea |
| 09:58.46 | wols | py_: you can, but it's fairly unlikely it will work :) |
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| 09:59.17 | cydork | lenbust: no problem :) |
| 09:59.24 | py_ | et, wols: how can I compile a kernel module for a box which is running such a kernel, as when I apt-get gcc, its v4.2 that I get? |
| 09:59.58 | wols | get a 4.1 gcc. use snapshot.debian.net for example |
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| 10:02.28 | simplechat | hey, if i have an apt-cache, can i use that to speed up a debian install? |
| 10:02.44 | simplechat | (like say i rip off the .debs from a ubuntu cd, + cached from /var/apt/cache) |
| 10:02.44 | wols | !apt-cacher |
| 10:02.44 | dpkg | somebody said apt-cacher was a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at http://www.apt-cacher.org/, or a nifty tool |
| 10:02.54 | wols | simplechat: you don't do ubuntu support |
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| 10:03.03 | simplechat | the problem is that i have one computer with it |
| 10:03.08 | simplechat | and thats the computer i need to upgrade |
| 10:03.09 | wols | s/you/we |
| 10:03.20 | wols | simplechat: we don't care. ask #ubuntu, not us |
| 10:03.26 | simplechat | wols: i know you don't. i'm saying from a list of .deb's |
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| 10:03.35 | Asad2005 | I want to rsync back up root partition what folder should i exclude |
| 10:03.39 | wols | come back when you run actually debian |
| 10:03.48 | simplechat | like say i have the mysql/mod_python .deb's, where would i feed it to the debian installer? |
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| 10:04.15 | simplechat | wols: thats going to be once i figure out how to do this. |
| 10:04.37 | wols | AciD: almost anything. unless you set the filesystem ro while rsyncing. or you might get inconsistent data |
| 10:04.50 | cast | simplechat: .debs on an ubuntu cd are pretty much useless to a debian user |
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| 10:05.14 | simplechat | cast: the .debs debian uses are different? |
| 10:05.24 | cast | yes. do not mix them |
| 10:05.35 | simplechat | cast: may i ask why? |
| 10:05.36 | wols | of course they are. or ubuntu wouldn't need to release their own distro |
| 10:05.40 | simplechat | and how would one tell them apart? |
| 10:05.42 | cydork | !bobbitt |
| 10:05.42 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 10:06.02 | cydork | simplechat: ^^ :) |
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| 10:06.16 | rodion | Hi everyone |
| 10:06.17 | simplechat | so source packages or just the debian ones? |
| 10:06.25 | simplechat | and how would i tell that its a debian .deb? |
| 10:06.37 | cast | simplechat: because it came from a debian source |
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| 10:06.53 | simplechat | hmmm, k |
| 10:07.18 | rodion | Can anybody help with subversion trouble? While commit it prints: Unrecognized URL scheme for '' |
| 10:07.30 | cast | rodion: and what cmd did yo utype? |
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| 10:08.10 | rodion | cast: svn ci ... |
| 10:08.13 | cast | rodion: eh, /join #svn anyway. output of svn info to a pastebin somewhere might be a good idea |
| 10:08.32 | rodion | cast: thanx:) |
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| 10:09.53 | simplechat | cast: for a simple server, can i get it to run a stripped implementation? (ie. without the thousands of packages i usually end up with?) |
| 10:10.16 | cast | simplechat: grab the netinst cd, don't select any tasks when tasksel pops up |
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| 10:10.37 | simplechat | cast: when i do that, it just installs grub, bash and apt-get? |
| 10:10.41 | cast | should get you an install thats sub 100mb |
| 10:10.50 | simplechat | i've got the 80 meg buisinesscard cd |
| 10:11.17 | simplechat | is that the one your talking about? (i386 hardware) |
| 10:11.18 | wols | use the netinst |
| 10:11.24 | wols | no he means the netinst ISO |
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| 10:11.54 | simplechat | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 10:11.58 | Eulex | simplechat, it just installs a bse system. |
| 10:12.01 | simplechat | i have the second one, "buieinsesscard release" |
| 10:12.25 | Eulex | the businesscard is like a netinst, but without a base system (so the base system will have to be downloaded too) |
| 10:12.36 | Eulex | s/bse/base/ |
| 10:13.17 | cast | ahh. |
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| 10:13.58 | simplechat | Eulex: the base system download is roughtly a hundred megs then, i take it? |
| 10:14.20 | wols | less |
| 10:14.24 | wols | but it's compressed |
| 10:14.29 | n_np | how can i get duel monitor support for debian and kde3.5 ? |
| 10:14.46 | simplechat | wols: so its better timewise to download the 40 meg image, then download what you need, if you just need one server? |
| 10:14.48 | wols | n_np: edit your xorg.conf. drxx won't be able to do it for you autoamtically |
| 10:15.05 | n_np | how must i edit it? |
| 10:15.10 | wols | simplechat: businesscard and netinst beoth need to download exactly the same amount |
| 10:15.19 | wols | only businesscard downloads it in 2 parts. that's all |
| 10:15.29 | simplechat | ok |
| 10:15.31 | Eulex | simplechat, you'll have to download the base system anyway. it's compressed on the cd too. |
| 10:16.09 | Eulex | simplechat, but if you use the netinst twice or more you'll only need to download the base system once (it's on the cd) |
| 10:16.24 | simplechat | yeah, hmmm. |
| 10:16.40 | simplechat | also, the 9 or so cd's, they are for a full offline install? |
| 10:16.51 | Eulex | yes. |
| 10:16.58 | wols | 23 CDs. yes full offline, rarely if ever needed |
| 10:17.00 | Eulex | or well, there's no 'full' instal |
| 10:17.28 | Eulex | but 'full' in the sense that you can install whatever you want, without downloading anything. |
| 10:17.31 | wols | and you can't really do a full install: it's not possible to have more than one MTA for example, but debian ships with a dozen |
| 10:17.33 | simplechat | ouch. |
| 10:17.40 | py_ | how can I install the package 2.6.22-4~bpo40+1 for etch-backports on an up-to-date etch box? |
| 10:17.59 | wols | py_: read the isntrcutions on backports.org |
| 10:18.11 | wols | *instructions |
| 10:18.34 | py_ | wols, ok, didn"t know about the site, only found out about that package on packages.debian.org |
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| 10:21.34 | piko_ | Hi, I would like to build gentoo chroot but I need glibc-2.4. I tried the last portage but emerge complaints about downgrading glibc (which is logical) is there any repository of older portage? Or how could this be worked out_ |
| 10:21.44 | piko_ | Ah, sorry |
| 10:21.48 | piko_ | bad channel |
| 10:22.05 | SlayerXP | by "bad" I think you mean "wrong" |
| 10:22.21 | cast | nono, we use precompiled binaries. we're bad |
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| 10:27.03 | MikePer | hello. sorry to ask this here but is there an english speaking postgres channel? |
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| 10:30.16 | n_np | hmm my wireless interface isnt working |
| 10:30.31 | ribnitz | heyas. If after some time, in a sid xfce4 setup, the gui simply stops responding (not even killing it with ctrl-alt-backspace works), and there are no entries in syslog, what could be the prob? |
| 10:30.45 | darren | managed to recursively change group permission on /var to a random group. Any way I could get apt to refresh permissions on the packages or suggestions for a fix? |
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| 10:31.36 | ribnitz | had to physically reboot the thing with the reset button. Ideas? |
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| 10:45.29 | petemc | magda_: dont you need a driver as well as firmware? |
| 10:46.38 | magda_ | petemc: i read, that (u)eagle-data + udev should work |
| 10:47.06 | petemc | whenever ive used usb adsl modems, i needed extra software |
| 10:47.42 | petemc | ive not used that particular modem, tho |
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| 10:51.00 | s4xxon | hello, isnt flashplayer-mozilla package in the multimedia repo anymore ? the only one i find is the non free package |
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| 10:52.06 | magda_ | petemc: hmm, ok, thx |
| 10:52.17 | darren | anyone running postfix tell me what the permissions should be in /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd ? |
| 10:55.36 | wols | s4xxon: what flash would that be? |
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| 10:56.14 | s4xxon | what do u mean by that question |
| 10:56.33 | wols | what flash player would that be? from adobe? |
| 10:56.42 | wols | or is it gnash or some other free one |
| 10:57.02 | s4xxon | i am saying that the only player that i find is the non free one from adobe, and not any free one |
| 10:57.32 | wols | what free one did you expect to find? |
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| 10:58.12 | petemc | gnash, proabably |
| 10:58.13 | s4xxon | flashplayer-mozilla thought is a free one |
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| 10:58.49 | mike1o | only gnash is free |
| 10:59.26 | wols | 12:51 < s4xxon> hello, isnt flashplayer-mozilla package in the multimedia repo anymore <- so you say once, it was there. Since you apperntly know/knew that package back then, what flashplayer did it use? |
| 11:00.02 | Dewi | if I have several cron jobs appending to the same log... >> logfile |
| 11:00.04 | s4xxon | i got actually a small problem with the flash player. many times the flash movies on a webpage cover the text or some kind of menus instead of staying in the backround , thats why i wanted to try something else |
| 11:00.16 | Dewi | is there any chance that concurrent writes to that log will cause problems? |
| 11:00.26 | wols | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/package/flashplayer-mozilla.php |
| 11:00.28 | Dewi | (each cron job writes just one line) |
| 11:00.35 | wols | from the looks of it, it was adobe flash |
| 11:01.19 | s4xxon | i guess u are right on that |
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| 11:02.03 | wols | as said before, you could try gnash |
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| 11:02.44 | s4xxon | i will try it , thank you |
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| 11:07.08 | s4xxon | and a last question for the moment :) what do those transition packages for iceweasel ? (firefox, mozilla-firefox) |
| 11:07.26 | wols | they install iceweasel |
| 11:07.40 | wols | cause in older debian vesions iceweasel was called firefox for some strange reason |
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| 11:07.50 | themill | heh |
| 11:07.52 | ^Timo^ | Good morning everyone |
| 11:07.53 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 11:07.59 | smhar | first of all, I am trying to use the 2.6.21-2-686 but it seems there are alot of errors concerning ACPI, I tried disabling it in the grub boot using pci=noacpi but nothing changed, is there another way? |
| 11:08.15 | wols | simply use "noacpi" |
| 11:08.22 | wols | and why do you use that kernel? |
| 11:08.43 | wols | cause IIRC, it will give you problems with ati drveris anyways (GPL symbol violation?) |
| 11:08.44 | Dewi | s4xxon: transitional packages exist so that attempts to install or upgrade old packages will tug on the right dependancies to install the new packages |
| 11:09.01 | ^Timo^ | i'v got a question. i am using winscp. have used some ftp server before but the problem is now that every user can look into your files if they login |
| 11:09.08 | s4xxon | so they are kind of needed |
| 11:09.27 | ^Timo^ | is it possible to lock them only to the dir where they belong with winscp ? |
| 11:09.39 | wols | ^Timo^: set your perms for your ~ directories properly |
| 11:10.02 | wols | and no, you can't chroot them (easily) |
| 11:10.20 | ^Timo^ | hmm.. |
| 11:10.48 | themill | ^Timo^: set your groups up sensibly or set the umask (often this has to be done in the client) |
| 11:10.50 | smhar | wols, I am using 2.6.18-4-686 with no problems, but the ati installation needs the headers and there seem to be no headers for it in the repository. the only other kernel available is .21 |
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| 11:11.46 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
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| 11:12.59 | ^Timo^ | cause. if you use some ftp server and some user uses winscp to login it is also possible |
| 11:13.06 | ^Timo^ | to login |
| 11:13.16 | ^Timo^ | and look into all my files. |
| 11:13.19 | ^Timo^ | ;( |
| 11:15.03 | wols | smiler: there is no 2.6.18-4 in debian anymore. there is a 2.6.18-5 |
| 11:15.36 | anabain | Hi, I'm having weird problems with video viewing. I cannot see videos but the audio works. If I use mplayer with the -vo x11 video works, but with xv it doesn't. Moreover, any other players (vlc, kaffeine, etc.) do not work either. They worked after reconfiguring xserver with framebuffer, but the problem is that this option causes hanging my computer (ati driver). Any ideas? |
| 11:15.37 | wols | themill: setting umask in the client is futile |
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| 11:16.15 | themill | wols: yes, but if you want all users to be in the group users, it's the only thing you can do... |
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| 11:16.30 | wols | in debian, each user has its own group |
| 11:16.36 | smiler | wols: cool, then I know :S |
| 11:16.43 | anabain | anabain, video always has worked fine, it must be then a problem related to an upgrade... |
| 11:16.57 | wols | smiler: smhar which it was directed to, wen away before I answered. sorry |
| 11:17.02 | smiler | :D |
| 11:17.20 | themill | wols: now.. that used not to be the case, and can still not be the case if you use funny configs or the right flags to adduser. |
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| 11:18.08 | atoponce | i've created a raid device with mdadm, but i've decided i don't want that device anymore. how can i remove it? /dev/md0 is my raid device |
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| 11:20.10 | s4xxon | tried also with the free flash player but still the same problem, many things run behind the flash movies. like here: http://alarm.homelinux.com/snap6.jpg |
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| 11:21.09 | wols | this is not a flash problem but a browser problem |
| 11:21.33 | s4xxon | cool :) |
| 11:21.53 | smhar | Ok, noacpi also doesn't work. nothing actually change. So I am left with kernel 2.6.18 that works but with no headers and 2.6.21 with headers but it doesn't boot, and kernel amd64 that works but gives all types of complications |
| 11:22.32 | wols | smhar: what debian version? |
| 11:23.01 | wols | smhar: there is no 2.6.18-4 in debian anymore. there is a 2.6.18-5 |
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| 11:23.12 | themill | smhar: where is this 2.6.21 kernel from? |
| 11:23.16 | smhar | Wolfete, lenny |
| 11:23.30 | claudio` | How can i view the current system total in/out traffic inline (no (n)curses-based tool)? |
| 11:23.50 | L0cKn | hi all :-) |
| 11:23.53 | claudio` | L0cKn: suca |
| 11:24.00 | L0cKn | claudio`: Quando ti cresce :D |
| 11:24.04 | claudio` | -.- |
| 11:24.09 | L0cKn | owned :S |
| 11:24.17 | claudio` | lol |
| 11:24.21 | L0cKn | claudio`: please speak english here :-) |
| 11:24.26 | L0cKn | hahahahaahaha |
| 11:24.33 | smhar | wols, I can not see 2.6.18-5 |
| 11:24.39 | smhar | themill, from debian |
| 11:25.05 | claudio` | L0cKn: it's not one of your lame channel, please stfu |
| 11:25.06 | themill | smhar: do you have some strange etch/lenny mix? |
| 11:25.08 | claudio` | :-P |
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| 11:25.11 | SlayerXP | L0cKn: 1) this is not #ubuntu 2) ENGLISH |
| 11:25.27 | L0cKn | SlayerXP: I know -_- |
| 11:25.28 | wols | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 lenny |
| 11:25.53 | comsa | wolfet?? |
| 11:26.18 | L0cKn | claudio`: RTFM lame:-) |
| 11:26.31 | L0cKn | RTFM and help again :D |
| 11:26.45 | wols | smhar: use 2.6.22 |
| 11:26.50 | smhar | themill, my sources: http://paste.debian.net/39487 |
| 11:27.13 | smhar | wols, 2.6.22 doesn't show up in apt-cache search |
| 11:28.13 | wols | your sources are crap. both 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 are in debian lenny: see packages.debian.org |
| 11:28.52 | wols | smhar: use an official mirror. not thie local, private one. or fix that private one |
| 11:31.15 | Enverex | wols, *.debian.org isn't official? |
| 11:31.16 | smhar | wols, I am using an apt cache |
| 11:31.54 | wols | Enverex: 10.0.0.4 certainly isn't official |
| 11:32.08 | themill | smhar: yes, and it's a crap cache.... it's telling you that packages don't exist when they do. |
| 11:32.12 | wols | smhar: I saw that. the cache providing server is still crap |
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| 11:32.42 | Enverex | wols, Ah, missed that, or rather saw it then immediately forgot ;/ |
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| 11:37.03 | smhar | themill, wols, it was the solutions to another problem, I have 3 computers running debian in my home network and I have an internet with a download threshold |
| 11:38.27 | wols | !apt-proxy |
| 11:38.27 | dpkg | apt-proxy is probably a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 |
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| 11:41.03 | smhar | wols, themill ok, for now, I will disable any cache system and try it, when things work out as desired I will install apt-proxy and see |
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| 11:45.11 | DawnLight | whats the name of that terminal program that allows me to send data to serial ports? |
| 11:45.18 | xand | screen? |
| 11:45.55 | petemc | minicom |
| 11:46.06 | DawnLight | right!! |
| 11:47.10 | DawnLight | how can screen do that? |
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| 11:47.42 | fredl | I'm getting fed up with this dammit. |
| 11:47.55 | DawnLight | share with us |
| 11:47.55 | xand | DawnLight: screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 11:48.00 | fredl | it seems that for some unknown reason me /dev/sdb2 is always busy |
| 11:48.09 | trifler | is there a command uder iptables where you can see the ones active (im new to *nix) and im setting up a q3 server :) |
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| 11:48.18 | trifler | under not uder* |
| 11:48.19 | petemc | trifler: -L |
| 11:48.21 | wols | trifler: iptables -L |
| 11:48.23 | fredl | it has an NTFS filesystem on it but that doesn't seem to be the problem.... |
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| 11:48.37 | DawnLight | what is sdb? |
| 11:48.40 | DawnLight | !sdb |
| 11:48.48 | wols | DawnLight: a device node |
| 11:48.51 | fredl | coz I had similar problems with making a logical volume on another partition |
| 11:49.12 | petemc | fredl: lsof |
| 11:49.13 | wols | fredl: you make no sense. please explain your problem more carefully |
| 11:49.30 | wols | and yes, lsof and fuser are your friend |
| 11:49.34 | fredl | petemc - lsof nor fuser show any process using the partition. |
| 11:49.41 | DawnLight | do users have permissions to use serial ports by default? |
| 11:49.42 | smhar | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 lenny |
| 11:49.47 | fredl | wols - yeah getting there, hang on |
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| 11:50.19 | fredl | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /mnt |
| 11:50.19 | fredl | fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy |
| 11:50.20 | trifler | When i make a new rule does it spring to life at once or do i need to init.d it or something? |
| 11:50.31 | wols | trifler: at once |
| 11:50.37 | fredl | positron:~# fuser /dev/sdb2 |
| 11:50.37 | fredl | positron:~# lsof /dev/sdb2 |
| 11:50.37 | fredl | positron:~# |
| 11:50.58 | petemc | fredl: dont guess how lsof works, read the man page |
| 11:50.58 | trifler | nice, i must say i like debian just so you know. :P |
| 11:51.05 | smhar | wols, themill I changed the sources to direct sources but still got no new kernels, and dpkg says Package 'linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686' does not exist. |
| 11:51.28 | aredhel | DawnLight, no, they need to be added to the dialout group first. |
| 11:51.31 | wols | !tell smhar about search |
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| 11:51.59 | smhar | wols, I used !info linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 lenny |
| 11:52.13 | wols | learn to use apt-cache |
| 11:52.17 | smhar | wols, it is availabel for my file server though as it runs etch |
| 11:52.39 | wols | apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 11:52.42 | DawnLight | aredhel: thanks |
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| 11:53.24 | fredl | petemc - that manual page is huge. |
| 11:54.09 | fredl | petemc, I just want to find out why my partition appears to be busy even though it's not mounted. |
| 11:54.22 | themill | smhar: 2.6.18-5-686 is not in lenny |
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| 11:55.07 | themill | smhar: 2.6.18-5-686 is in etch. Etch is not in your sources.list, therefore you cannot see packages for 2.6.18. |
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| 11:56.46 | smhar | themill, but I am running lenny, should I add etch to the sources only to get the 2.6.18-5 , will it work nicely with lenny? |
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| 11:57.08 | wols | smhar: get a lenny kernel. get 2.6.22 |
| 11:57.23 | wols | then you will get a header from the same place. alternatively, get the headers from etch |
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| 11:58.07 | smhar | !info linux-headers-2.6.22lenny |
| 11:58.16 | smhar | !info linux-headers-2.6.22 lenny |
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| 11:58.36 | fredl | 2.6.22 is not in testing yet? |
| 11:58.46 | wols | it is |
| 11:58.56 | wols | !info linux-headers-2.6.22-2 lenny |
| 11:58.58 | themill | smhar: use apt-cache on your box... it's easier: the package is linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 11:58.59 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6.22-2: (Common header files for Linux 2.6.22), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 3328 kB, Installed size: 19616 kB |
| 11:59.03 | fredl | Hmm, is there a way to downgrade from lenny to testing? |
| 11:59.25 | themill | smhar: you need to include the ABI version (-2) when you ask the bot as it only deals in exact package names. |
| 11:59.28 | wols | smhar: !info is useless for searches unless you know the EXACT package name which you almost never do when actually searching |
| 11:59.30 | smhar | themill, I did, but it is not here |
| 11:59.40 | wols | smhar: you did not |
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| 12:00.05 | themill | smhar: please pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.22-2 |
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| 12:01.00 | fredl | If I change 'sid' in my sources.list to 'lenny', ideally when I'd give it some time it would just settle down right? |
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| 12:01.05 | smhar | wols, I did, apt-cache search linux-image| grep 2.6.22 shows nothing |
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| 12:01.30 | themill | smhar: then your sources.list is still stuffed. |
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| 12:01.33 | smhar | themill, that line shows: W: Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.22-2 |
| 12:02.06 | wols | smhar: pastebin your current sources.list |
| 12:02.11 | smhar | themill, I did an update/upgrade after I changed to direct sources |
| 12:02.13 | yos872 | hi, when I open my terminal, I always getting this message message from syslog@localhost at.. localhost kernel cpu1 runbning in modulated clock mode! , how can I stop this messages to come in my terminal |
| 12:02.56 | smhar | wols, http://paste.debian.net/39489 |
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| 12:04.33 | wols | smhar: outdated mirror |
| 12:04.49 | wols | fpt.de debian has .22 for example, ftp.dk.debian.org doesn't |
| 12:04.49 | smhar | wols, ok, so I am innocent :-) |
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| 12:05.11 | wols | use the .de one |
| 12:05.23 | fredl | well I just browsed the entire output of lsof.... |
| 12:05.35 | fredl | I don't see anything with respect to /dev/sdb2 |
| 12:05.55 | fredl | so what the heck is keeping my /dev/sdb2 busy? |
| 12:06.06 | valdyn | fredl: lsof doesnt track mounts |
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| 12:06.20 | fredl | so how do I find out then what's keeping it busy? |
| 12:06.24 | wols | fredl: pastebin the full commandline and its output of your mount command please |
| 12:06.36 | valdyn | fredl: lsof /path/to/mountpoint |
| 12:06.38 | wols | also, is anything already mounted on /mnt? |
| 12:06.56 | wols | e.g. add the output of "mount" to the pastebin |
| 12:07.02 | valdyn | fredl: and/or fuser /path/to/mountpoint |
| 12:07.21 | fredl | http://paste.debian.net/39490 |
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| 12:08.02 | wols | fredl: and the full output of your mount command when you try to mount sdb2? |
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| 12:09.07 | fredl | http://paste.debian.net/39492 updated |
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| 12:10.03 | wols | fredl: next time, tell us the FULL error: USE mount point creation failed |
| 12:10.17 | wols | that's slightly important... |
| 12:10.54 | fredl | well /media/windows-d exists.... |
| 12:11.05 | wols | dpkg -l |grep -i fuse |
| 12:11.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep -i fuse |
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| 12:11.40 | wols | fredl: dpkg -l |grep -i ntfs |
| 12:11.46 | fredl | and I had similar problems making a logical volume on another partition early after I installed Debian, had to boot from a CD to add the partition to the volume group |
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| 12:12.03 | fredl | positron:~# dpkg -l|grep ntfs |
| 12:12.03 | fredl | ii libntfs-3g12 1:1.913-2 ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace (FUSE) libra |
| 12:12.03 | fredl | ii ntfs-3g 1:1.913-2 read-write NTFS driver for FUSE |
| 12:12.20 | wols | hmmm, same version both |
| 12:12.43 | fredl | FYI, gnome is up and running, I initially thought it had something to do with the gnome automounter. |
| 12:13.00 | fredl | but even when I boot up in single user mode I get the same message. |
| 12:14.09 | valdyn | fredl: lsof /dev/fuse |
| 12:14.14 | valdyn | fredl: or fuser /dev/fuse |
| 12:14.20 | valdyn | fredl: just a wild guess.. |
| 12:14.30 | fredl | neither give output |
| 12:14.36 | valdyn | fredl: alright |
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| 12:15.40 | fredl | this has been bugging me for a while now and I'm basically at a loss. |
| 12:16.07 | valdyn | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 12:16.20 | valdyn | ops nm |
| 12:16.24 | fredl | I'm running sid btw |
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| 12:16.59 | valdyn | !info ntfs-3g lenny |
| 12:17.02 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.913-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 12:17.06 | fredl | what's peculiar: |
| 12:17.13 | fredl | positron:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb2 /mnt |
| 12:17.13 | fredl | mount: /dev/sdb2 already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 12:17.25 | fredl | mind you, ofcourse there's no ext2 fs on there. |
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| 12:18.12 | fredl | so I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with the ntfs-3g driver. |
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| 12:20.17 | valdyn | fredl: its probably in use by lvm |
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| 12:20.34 | fredl | wouldn't fuser or lsof report on that then? |
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| 12:20.39 | valdyn | fredl: you should test if rebooting and then mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb2 /mnt before you do anything with fuse gives the same error |
| 12:20.48 | valdyn | fredl: no |
| 12:21.05 | fredl | valdyn - I've tried that already and it gives the same error. |
| 12:21.12 | valdyn | fredl: good |
| 12:21.17 | valdyn | fredl: so its probably lvm |
| 12:21.28 | fredl | so is there any way to check that? |
| 12:21.42 | valdyn | fredl: pvs |
| 12:23.03 | fredl | I added the output of pvs to http://paste.debian.net/39493 |
| 12:23.08 | fredl | check it out, that looks weird |
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| 12:23.45 | valdyn | fredl: ok, at least we now know that you have fucked up dm volumes |
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| 12:24.18 | fredl | yeah the cdrom seems to be causing problems... |
| 12:24.38 | fredl | I'm surprised about /dev/dm-15 though |
| 12:24.40 | valdyn | fredl: cdroms should not be physical volumes anyway, i dont know why you made one |
| 12:24.51 | fredl | I didn't do that myself. |
| 12:24.55 | valdyn | fredl: now what's the tool to list dm* details? |
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| 12:25.14 | fredl | heh are you quizzing me? :) |
| 12:25.22 | valdyn | fredl: i don't know it |
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| 12:25.57 | valdyn | fredl: is this supposed to be a dmraid? |
| 12:26.25 | fredl | hang on, checking out some things |
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| 12:27.10 | valdyn | fredl: just run 'dmraid -r' |
| 12:27.23 | fredl | not found |
| 12:27.48 | fredl | pvdisplay gives more output but no specifics about /dev/dm-15 |
| 12:28.05 | valdyn | dmX is one layer below lvm in your setup |
| 12:28.37 | valdyn | fredl: you can try dmsetup too or whatever that tools is |
| 12:28.49 | fredl | that's not installed either. |
| 12:29.09 | fredl | hang on, installing it |
| 12:29.13 | valdyn | !installit |
| 12:29.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 12:29.26 | fredl | spambot :P |
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| 12:30.06 | valdyn | fredl: you run 'dmsetup ls' |
| 12:30.14 | fredl | yah did that... |
| 12:30.50 | fredl | updated http://paste.debian.net/39494 with it |
| 12:31.13 | fredl | it shows sdb2 in it, odd |
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| 12:31.38 | valdyn | fredl: there's you error |
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| 12:32.15 | fredl | well partially yeah... more interesting is how it got in there. |
| 12:32.43 | fredl | coz this is a fresh Debian install, installed from stable and then dist-upgraded to sid. |
| 12:34.05 | fredl | I wonder.... |
| 12:34.16 | testergg | Hi, I would like to install mod_log_spread on etch with apache2, but there is no debian package, however there are instructions on compiling it, if I compile it, I think I won't be able to use apt-get to keep apache up to date, is this correct? |
| 12:34.38 | fredl | dmsetup info shows some more info.... |
| 12:34.43 | wols | testergg: fi you compile all of apache2: yes |
| 12:34.56 | wols | if you only compile the module, you should be fine |
| 12:35.07 | fredl | says that sdb2's State is ACTIVE and Tables present: LIVE |
| 12:36.09 | testergg | wols: so is there a howto on just compiling a module? |
| 12:36.35 | testergg | wols: sorry to be so in-experienced to ask such a question |
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| 12:37.24 | xand | you just said there were instructions on compiling it |
| 12:37.28 | wols | not that I'd know |
| 12:37.36 | xand | ./configure && make ? |
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| 12:37.46 | xand | read what instructions it came with |
| 12:38.01 | testergg | xand: ok I was just worried about breaking my apache |
| 12:38.17 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i have a debian server and would like to connect it with a few domain names.. how can i forward domain1.com to /home/domain1/www and domain2.com to /home/domain2/www? |
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| 12:40.08 | fuzzy_logic | a |
| 12:40.14 | fuzzy_logic | anyone there? |
| 12:40.18 | L0cKn | No :D |
| 12:40.19 | L0cKn | ahahhahah |
| 12:40.39 | fuzzy_logic | lol.. told something was wrong with my client, all of a sudden no-one said anything anymore |
| 12:40.39 | fredl | valdyn - I did dmsetup remove /dev/sdb2 |
| 12:40.48 | azeem | W17 |
| 12:40.50 | azeem | oopsy |
| 12:41.06 | fredl | that worked, didn't give an error message and /dev/sdb2 does no longer show up in pvs |
| 12:41.18 | fredl | oops in dmsetup ls |
| 12:41.56 | fredl | can't mount it though, still busy |
| 12:42.05 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help me with my question? |
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| 12:42.35 | fredl | how can you forward domain1.com to /home/domain1/www ?? |
| 12:42.48 | fredl | well |
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| 12:43.05 | fredl | that's much more a postfix/exim question right? |
| 12:43.08 | fredl | but... |
| 12:43.38 | fredl | I've set that up myself except with just one domain |
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| 12:43.52 | fredl | I'm using postfix though |
| 12:44.04 | fredl | most debians come with exim by default I believe |
| 12:44.20 | fuzzy_logic | postfix/exim is mail right? i want that apache listens to /home/domain1/www when you type in your browser domain1.com |
| 12:44.34 | fuzzy_logic | and with domain2.com to /home/domain2/www |
| 12:44.45 | fredl | oh okay, so you want to set up multiple webservers? |
| 12:44.51 | fredl | duh ;) |
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| 12:45.21 | fredl | just read some about virtual hosts in apache. that's pretty straightforward. |
| 12:46.01 | fredl | there's two ways to do it, you can have logical vhosts that listen to the same IP, that's most often used these days |
| 12:46.22 | fredl | or you can have several vhosts, each with their own IP |
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| 12:46.49 | fredl | but you'd be much better off asking this in #apache |
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| 12:47.31 | fuzzy_logic | ok thanks fredl |
| 12:47.38 | fredl | n/p |
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| 12:48.23 | DawnLight | what will be a light enough desktop for a pentium ii? xfce4 will be good? |
| 12:48.35 | fredl | on Debian it pretty much boils down to making /etc/apache2/sites-available/sitename.conf |
| 12:48.40 | surrounder | wouldn't count on it DawnLight |
| 12:49.02 | fredl | in that sitename.conf you define your document root and some other stuff |
| 12:49.26 | nvz | DawnLight: how much ram you got? |
| 12:49.33 | DawnLight | 192, nvz |
| 12:49.35 | maxamillion | DawnLight: yes, xfce4 is the best as far as a full featured desktop environment goes but if you need something a bit lighter then you can run openbox, fluxbox, windowmaker, ROX, or another one of the light weight environments |
| 12:49.37 | fredl | anyway... |
| 12:49.53 | predder` | does anyone know what the debian installer might do when it creates an initrd that points to the root filesystem residing on an md? |
| 12:50.10 | nvz | DawnLight: then you should be fine. you can just run what you need. |
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| 12:50.19 | predder` | creating such an initrd manually does not construct my md's before it tries to mount the root filesystem (so it fails) |
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| 12:50.50 | predder` | I've ensured the correct modules are loaded and when I'm dropped to a shell after 5 minutes I can assemble the devices fine with an mdadm one liner |
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| 12:51.11 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 12:51.47 | maxamillion | hiya Fox_1_ |
| 12:51.48 | Fox_1_ | can anyone send me default sshd_config ? |
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| 12:51.55 | valdyn | Fox_1_: you can do that yourself, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:51.55 | wols | !tell Fox_1_ about confmiss |
| 12:52.16 | nvz | DawnLight: my xsession just runs synergy, nautilus, gnome-panel, gnome-settings-daemon, and sawfish and I am around or under 120mb used with irc and firefox and gimp running |
| 12:52.18 | DawnLight | thanks folks |
| 12:52.23 | abrotman | i think sshd_config is generated ? |
| 12:53.02 | nvz | DawnLight: if I ran a full gnome-session I would be sucking up a good bit more |
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| 12:54.24 | nvz | DawnLight: you can always slim things down.. run lighter apps. you dont have to choose a package deal, you can use on small app for your desktop icons, another for a filemanager, window manager, panel..etc |
| 12:54.39 | magnus | I have a problem with sarge, when apt-get installs update-mime it just stalls at "Setting up mime-support", top shows the process runs away and eat more and more memory. How can I avoid this? Can i make the install script "skip" mime-upodate? |
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| 12:54.43 | DawnLight | nvz: i get it. i'm installing xfce4 now and i'll see how it works. i can work my way through text-mode, but its a struggle |
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| 12:55.15 | joey[] | how do I search available packages containing name foo? |
| 12:55.40 | DawnLight | was X the first windows implementation? |
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| 12:56.07 | DawnLight | joey[]: aptitude |
| 12:56.25 | DawnLight | joey[]: and packages.debian.org |
| 12:56.35 | maxamillion | joey[]: and apt-cache |
| 12:56.46 | abrotman | peterS: ping |
| 12:56.46 | peterS | abrotman: pong (automated, see http://err.no/personal/blog/2006/Oct/10) |
| 12:56.47 | valdyn | DawnLight: uh? surely not |
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| 12:56.58 | valdyn | DawnLight: is is a spec, not an implementation really |
| 12:57.04 | valdyn | DawnLight: X is a spec, not an implementation really |
| 12:57.40 | abrotman | azeem: do you know why there's a ban on %*!n=frank*@* ? |
| 12:57.50 | abrotman | azeem: Hammaren is asking |
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| 12:58.01 | azeem | probably that known troll |
| 12:58.02 | Downix | hey-lo |
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| 12:58.14 | abrotman | he's msging me ... wanted to know why .. but okay |
| 12:58.17 | wols | azeem: which known one |
| 12:58.35 | DawnLight | valdyn: what is a spec? |
| 12:58.38 | azeem | well, forgot his last name |
| 12:58.43 | valdyn | DawnLight: specification |
| 12:58.45 | azeem | certainly not Hammaren |
| 12:58.47 | wols | azeem: he's op on bash? |
| 12:58.48 | abrotman | azeem: dailoom ? |
| 12:58.54 | azeem | abrotman: what's his nick? |
| 12:59.00 | abrotman | hammeran |
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| 12:59.07 | abrotman | Hammaren |
| 12:59.28 | Downix | this is fun, my upgraded debian seems to be missing X, yet it had kde installed |
| 12:59.32 | Downix | that's bizzare |
| 12:59.40 | abrotman | Downix: aptitude install xorg |
| 12:59.43 | azeem | lemme investigate for a bit, but I'm quite sure we can lift the ban in a couple of minutes |
| 12:59.44 | wols | that's not "fun" and certainly not bizarre |
| 12:59.47 | DawnLight | valdyn: was it the first windows spec? |
| 12:59.49 | valdyn | Downix: you know that X is network transparent... |
| 12:59.54 | wols | you don't need X to run kde. there is such a thing called remote X |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | Hammaren: wait while azeem inspects |
| 12:59.58 | valdyn | DawnLight: no |
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| 12:59.59 | Sup3rkiddo | hey, exim4 is not really needed at startup for a desktop right, i am on fresh debian install and saw exim4 starting up |
| 13:00.11 | azeem | can you pipe /ban to e.g. grep in irssi, btw? |
| 13:00.11 | mike1o | how do I make virtualbox work in debian (amd64)? |
| 13:00.15 | Downix | abrotman, "E: couldn't find package xorg" |
| 13:00.18 | wols | Sup3rkiddo: you can have another MTA; but some sort of mail delivery is needed |
| 13:00.24 | Downix | wols: good point |
| 13:00.25 | wols | and exim4 needs pretty much no ressources |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | Downix: what did you upgrade to ? |
| 13:00.34 | azeem | ah, Patrick Frank |
| 13:00.35 | Downix | abrotman, sarge |
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| 13:00.38 | azeem | that's the troll's name |
| 13:00.41 | azeem | paddy |
| 13:00.43 | wols | mike1o: ask virtualbox, not us |
| 13:00.52 | Sup3rkiddo | wols, oh, ok then, its for internal system mails then? |
| 13:00.54 | abrotman | !install x |
| 13:00.55 | dpkg | somebody said install xf4 was apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 13:00.56 | cmdln | So I dont understand what I am doing wrong. I created a vm on an opteron machine in vmware server. I installed debian i386. I copied the vm to my laptop (core2 duo) workstation 6. I built a new kernel on the vm on my laptop, created debs for it and was able to boot to it. I then copied the debs to the vmware server vm installed the debs and when it boots it cant find the hard drives. |
| 13:00.56 | wols | Downix: sarge is oldstable |
| 13:01.04 | wols | Sememmon: if you configure it that way, yes |
| 13:01.11 | valdyn | DawnLight: google stuff like 'xerox parc' or 'xerox mouse' or somesuch |
| 13:01.16 | Downix | wols: the current version doesn't support my CPU |
| 13:01.17 | abrotman | Downix: aptitude install x-window-system |
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| 13:01.25 | abrotman | Downix: what cpu is that? |
| 13:01.25 | wols | Downix: i386? |
| 13:01.42 | Downix | SPARC32 |
| 13:01.46 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 13:01.50 | py_ | I've a board with a watchdog inside an ITE8712 Super I/O chip. Is there a linux driver/module for this chip. How to figure out? |
| 13:02.02 | S4nD3r | how to change the partition label in etch? |
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| 13:02.03 | wols | py_: sensors-detect |
| 13:02.07 | Downix | abrotman: hrm? |
| 13:02.07 | S4nD3r | I forgot the command |
| 13:02.16 | chickenFuego | Hello, can someone tell me if the packages using java are compiled with java-sun or gcj in ubuntu/debian? |
| 13:02.17 | valdyn | DawnLight: cute: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog-images/star.jpg |
| 13:02.24 | abrotman | Downix: 1991 called .. they want their machine back :) |
| 13:02.35 | wols | chickenFuego: we don't do ubuntu support |
| 13:02.43 | chickenFuego | ;( |
| 13:02.51 | chickenFuego | so and how is it in debian?? |
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| 13:03.01 | kienzan | hi |
| 13:03.02 | Downix | abrotman: Ahem, you really don't know the SPARC, do you? |
| 13:03.05 | wols | chickenFuego: irrelevant, java being bytecode |
| 13:03.06 | chickenFuego | because lot of ubuntu packages are based on yours ;) |
| 13:03.13 | chickenFuego | Hello, can someone tell me if the packages using java are compiled with java-sun or gcj in debian? |
| 13:03.14 | wols | !based on debian |
| 13:03.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:03.18 | wols | chickenFuego: no go back to |
| 13:03.21 | wols | back to #ubuntu |
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| 13:03.59 | Downix | chickenFuego, Check on #ubuntu, they wouldn't know here. |
| 13:04.18 | Eulex | Downix, "The main problem with sparc32 is that there are no Linux kernel maintainers. This problem absolutely needs to be addressed if there should be continued support for Debian GNU/Linux on 32 bit Sparc machines." |
| 13:04.22 | abrotman | Downix: i used to admin solaris :) |
| 13:04.23 | py_ | wols: sensors-detect? I'm looking for a watchdog driver, not to read beack sensors data |
| 13:04.31 | chickenFuego | no wols, if you compile java code with sun-java6 without java5 compatibility, you'll get a difference for example ,) |
| 13:04.36 | wols | py_: then I dunno, sorry |
| 13:04.42 | azeem | abrotman: so, it was the zewb troll |
| 13:04.47 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 13:04.50 | py_ | wols: thx anyway |
| 13:04.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 13:04.57 | S4nD3r | please |
| 13:04.58 | abrotman | Downix: and it was a joke |
| 13:04.58 | S4nD3r | how to change the partition label in etch? |
| 13:04.59 | Downix | Eulex: too true. |
| 13:05.07 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!n=frank*@*] by azeem |
| 13:05.15 | azeem | did that work? |
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| 13:05.16 | abrotman | Hammaren: can you speak now? |
| 13:05.18 | Hammaren | ahh...much better |
| 13:05.22 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem-uni] by azeem |
| 13:05.22 | kienzan | i've got a problem i've tried to install debian 4.0 r1 multi arch on my alpha server 2100 system |
| 13:05.24 | Downix | abrotman, Sorry, had too many people dissing my machine because it lacks an intel or AMD logo on it. |
| 13:05.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 13:05.30 | azeem | Hammaren: sorry about that |
| 13:05.37 | abrotman | Downix: i actually really like solaris .. and SPARC |
| 13:05.42 | kienzan | it boots right, but it can't recognise my scsi discs |
| 13:05.53 | abrotman | azeem: thanks |
| 13:06.06 | Downix | abrotman, I like playing with unusual hardware. Plus, trying to teach myself Verilog, and there's a few open-source SPARC models out there. |
| 13:06.23 | kienzan | it gives a box to choose the right driver, but i couldn't find the good module |
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| 13:06.39 | mooper | !group] |
| 13:06.43 | kienzan | it uses NCR 53C810 |
| 13:06.44 | mooper | !group |
| 13:06.44 | dpkg | adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page. |
| 13:07.05 | abrotman | Downix: i sold my sparc and mips boxes a few years ago |
| 13:07.27 | Downix | abrotman, MIPS is a nice platform, but licensing it is a pain. SPARC's license is much nicer |
| 13:07.29 | Hammaren | Thank you for your time! i can assure you that -at least to my knowledge- i am not a commonly known troll :) |
| 13:07.41 | abrotman | Hammaren: let's keep it that way! :) |
| 13:07.56 | Hammaren | he just happens to have my first name as his last name |
| 13:08.08 | abrotman | Downix: it was running irix .. IIRC .. no X drivers for the Impact cards for linux |
| 13:08.08 | azeem | Hammaren: well, it was an extreme measure to counter a flood-wave, and apparently we forgot to turn it off again |
| 13:08.41 | Downix | abrotman, Egads. The MIPS I ran was an old NEC design, which ran Windows NT 4.0 |
| 13:08.53 | abrotman | oh .. this was an SGI indigo2 |
| 13:09.02 | Downix | Oh very nice, much higher-end |
| 13:09.11 | abrotman | R10k IIRC .. 195Mhz or so |
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| 13:09.30 | Downix | The R10k was a nice CPU, but I felt not as powerful as the R9k |
| 13:09.48 | abrotman | it was a toy to play with |
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| 13:10.19 | Downix | I try and do some work with it. Like this SPARC here I'm going to try and do some AROS porting with. |
| 13:10.55 | abrotman | Downix: so basically the kernel maintainers dropped support for sparc32? |
| 13:11.10 | Downix | abrotman, For Debian it looks like back in July. |
| 13:11.31 | abrotman | i don't think it's just a Debian issue |
| 13:11.33 | xand | !cannot be authenticated |
| 13:11.35 | mooper | how do I tell what groups Im in? |
| 13:11.38 | abrotman | groups |
| 13:11.46 | xand | is there a factoid for "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" on etch? |
| 13:11.56 | abrotman | xand: install the key |
| 13:12.01 | xand | hm |
| 13:12.34 | xand | debian-archive-keyring is already the latest version... do I need something more? |
| 13:12.53 | Downix | abrotman, It's a bit disturbing, as SPARC's use in SoC's is rising with the Leon and now the OpenSPARC T1 (altho the T1 is 64-bit) |
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| 13:13.08 | nvz | ok if ls -d */*/ | cut -d / -f 1 | sort -u, will list me all dirs containing subdirs, what would do the oppisite? |
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| 13:13.26 | abrotman | xand: there's another key ring package |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | xand: what's the missing key? |
| 13:13.49 | xand | how can I tell? |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | paste the output somewhere |
| 13:14.34 | nvz | in other words who's got an angle on about how to list dirs without subdirs |
| 13:14.40 | xand | http://pastebin.ca/734153 |
| 13:14.54 | nvz | or to take that list my command makes and show me the dirs minus that list |
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| 13:15.48 | abrotman | xand: anything useful from apt-get update ? |
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| 13:15.58 | Downix | abrotman, Like in my case, I bought this HyperSPARC here so I can develop the boot ROM for the T1-based SoC I'm working on. |
| 13:16.07 | nvz | I guess maybe diff will do this |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | geek! |
| 13:16.07 | xand | abrotman: no... no errors or anything |
| 13:16.18 | abrotman | xand: aptitude update ? |
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| 13:16.43 | xand | abrotman: I installed a whole load of stuff before hand, rebooted and now want to do the kernel; it didn't complain about any of the other packages |
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| 13:16.57 | nvz | no I don't think diff will work :( |
| 13:17.04 | xand | aptitude update does the same as apt-get update and doesn't complain |
| 13:17.59 | abrotman | xand: apt-cache policy udev && apt-key list |
| 13:18.21 | xand | mypapit: what? |
| 13:18.40 | xand | abrotman: what do I look for there? |
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| 13:18.55 | abrotman | are there keys listed? |
| 13:18.59 | xand | it has pub 1024D/6070D3A1 2006-11-20 [expires: 2009-07-01]\nuid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 13:19.05 | xand | yes |
| 13:19.33 | vv0rm | hello, can you give me a link, where can i find how to create proxy server on debian? |
| 13:19.38 | abrotman | only one ? |
| 13:19.40 | xand | no |
| 13:20.08 | wols | vv0rm: apt-get install privoxy |
| 13:20.13 | xand | also: pub 1024D/ADB11277 2006-09-17\nuid Etch Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org> |
| 13:20.31 | abrotman | maybe the mirror is out of whack ? |
| 13:20.40 | xand | hm |
| 13:20.48 | magnus | noone have any hints on how to ged rod of "update-mime" out-of-control? It just consumes waaay to much memory |
| 13:20.56 | possie | doing a: file -sk /dev/sda1 results in: /dev/sda1: data that doesn't sound good, there should be a filesystem on there |
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| 13:21.55 | xand | abrotman: ah, changing from de.debian.org to uk.debian.org and it shuts up :) |
| 13:23.04 | nvz | Idk, theres some way to do this I'm just not thinking of it |
| 13:23.14 | magnus | From top: 1288 root 18 0 330m 330m 1440 R 97.3 69.9 1:27.14 update-mime |
| 13:23.59 | Downix | I feel so rusty |
| 13:24.09 | Downix | just started X for the first time on this SPARC |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | xand: that's not good .. but whatever |
| 13:24.42 | xand | abrotman: well... i can't fix that mirror |
| 13:24.46 | nvz | I feel in lack of a good idea right now |
| 13:25.03 | nvz | while we are sharing our feelings |
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| 13:25.50 | smhar | greetings to all |
| 13:25.52 | Downix | and I get a blank screen |
| 13:26.02 | vv0rm | thank you wols |
| 13:26.10 | Downix | any way to kill X under a SPARC? |
| 13:26.13 | rajappan | hi everybody. Debian rules |
| 13:26.23 | Downix | the cntl+alt+back did nothing |
| 13:26.43 | magnus | Aaah I think I solved it, woho. I replaced the update-mime binary with a script that did nothing. Nice. |
| 13:26.55 | smhar | and thanks to all, specially to themill , wols, Wyzard and many others, I am finally running on fglrx driver :-) |
| 13:27.01 | nvz | I got like 600 dirs here, ls -d */*/ | cut -d / -f 1 | sort -u, will give me a list of the dirs that have subdirs, which is about 200, so there are like 400 without subdirs and I want the list of those.. I can't think of either how to compare the two list files of all dirs and the ones from this command or how to do the oppisite of this command |
| 13:27.05 | smhar | ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc shows fglrx.ko |
| 13:27.57 | abrotman | Downix: kill the pid |
| 13:28.12 | Downix | abrotman, I don't have a term to do it with. |
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| 13:28.26 | abrotman | stop-a ? :) |
| 13:28.30 | smhar | what I did is adding etch mirror to my lenny sources and installed kernel 2.6.18-5 with its sources, then commented that line out. This is a temporary thing until I get 2.6.22 to work :-) |
| 13:28.41 | smhar | oh, and thank abrotman too :_0 |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | ehwho? |
| 13:28.51 | Downix | abrotman, the keyboard is unresponsive |
| 13:28.59 | Downix | have to do it the old fashioned way |
| 13:29.00 | abrotman | Downix: uhm .. ssh in ? |
| 13:29.01 | Downix | ssh in |
| 13:29.02 | Downix | 8) |
| 13:29.28 | Downix | nope, no luck |
| 13:29.53 | Downix | looks like a total lockup |
| 13:30.13 | abrotman | mmm .. powerbutton |
| 13:30.31 | Downix | ah well |
| 13:30.36 | Downix | I didn't *need* X anyways |
| 13:30.52 | Downix | biggest pain will be in re-setting-up the network |
| 13:31.20 | assasukasse | is there someone that can help me about this issue: i found that i can make ssh-agent work by issuing eval 'ssh-agent' now i want it to work from the startup and all the time..how can i set that? |
| 13:31.55 | kienzan | where may i download the first _CD_ version of debian for alpha? (not the first debian, the first debian on CD for alpha!) |
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| 13:33.10 | smhar | the only problem now is that I only get 1024x786 resolutions, although larger ones are in xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/39499 |
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| 13:33.31 | smhar | I meant 1024x768 |
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| 13:34.19 | abrotman | kienzan: for etch ? |
| 13:34.30 | Downix | what is odd is that X worked before I updated to sarge |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/alpha/iso-cd/ |
| 13:35.25 | supplyanddemand | Im looking for a codec, w32codecs and libdvd-something. What is it called? |
| 13:35.28 | kienzan | abrotman, i need woody |
| 13:35.30 | kienzan | maybe |
| 13:35.37 | kienzan | the oldest |
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| 13:36.51 | themill | !tell blob79 about root |
| 13:37.01 | abrotman | kienzan: oh .. uhm |
| 13:37.34 | themill | supplyanddemand: w32codecs is on debian-multimedia.org /msg dpkg dmm |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | i don't know anywhere that has woody alpha CDs |
| 13:37.54 | abrotman | kienzan: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ .. start checking mirrors for 3.0 alpha ISOs |
| 13:38.02 | predder` | I've mounted a hard disk using knoppix, I want to chroot into my broken debian installation and generate an initrd however it complains that I don't have /proc, is there anyway to get /proc into the chroot envrionment? |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | kienzan: you can get floppies for 3.0 alpha |
| 13:38.49 | kienzan | yeah, but i need CD image:) |
| 13:38.56 | kienzan | the floppy drive is gone |
| 13:38.59 | Ragon | Hello, I just transferred my VMWare virtual PC from 1 PC to another and now I get Additional Sense errors and it takes several minutes just to spin up trhe virtual hard drive, I also defraged the virtual HDD, can anyone help? |
| 13:39.42 | abrotman | kienzan: you're going to have to check all the CD ISO mirrors .. but i doubt you'll find it |
| 13:39.44 | unilynx | Ragon: Try running the config tool again |
| 13:39.49 | Ragon | The additional sense error is: "Additional sense: Logical unit does not respond to selection end_request: I/o error |
| 13:40.10 | Ragon | The config tool in Debian or in VMWare? |
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| 13:40.24 | unilynx | Ragon: vmware-config.pl |
| 13:40.25 | abrotman | kienzan: floppy drives are cheap :) |
| 13:40.28 | Ragon | Oh |
| 13:40.35 | Azar | the darn desktop gets sued, SCO II has arrived |
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| 13:40.51 | Azar | good day mister rahul |
| 13:40.52 | kienzan | abrotman, i know, but i have to do this immediately |
| 13:41.03 | rahul | Azar: good morning |
| 13:41.21 | rahul | you're up early |
| 13:41.25 | rahul | heh |
| 13:41.28 | Azar | going to work |
| 13:41.46 | rahul | ah |
| 13:41.51 | rahul | just got in, here :) |
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| 13:43.20 | abrotman | kienzan: probably take you less time to fix the floppy drive than to find the cd ISO :) |
| 13:43.32 | Ragon | Nope |
| 13:43.36 | Ragon | Still doesn't work |
| 13:43.37 | n_np | which ftp server comes with debian thats quite good for a small business? |
| 13:43.52 | xand | !ftp |
| 13:43.52 | dpkg | well, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | kienzan: uhm .. apparently i have CD1 here for alpha |
| 13:44.03 | Downix | hmm |
| 13:44.05 | themill | assasukasse: I use keychain to make it less painful. Put "keychain ~/.ssh/your_key; . ~/.keychain/${HOSTNAME}-sh" into your .bashrc |
| 13:44.05 | n_np | I know what ftp is |
| 13:44.12 | n_np | but which daemon should i install with aptitude ? |
| 13:44.14 | Downix | I need to compile my own kernel for this SPARC |
| 13:44.17 | n_np | proftpd ? |
| 13:44.22 | abrotman | n_np: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 13:44.23 | Ragon | Anyone? |
| 13:44.46 | n_np | abrotman, whats vsftpd like? i've use pro before. |
| 13:44.54 | vrr | Hello :) After rebooting i lost modules for all pci devices. It shows by lspci command, but modules didn't loaded, as result nothing, incliding nic didn't work. Is any good suggestions in with case? |
| 13:44.54 | abrotman | try them both .. see which you prefer |
| 13:44.56 | wols | it's good |
| 13:45.12 | wols | vrr: what did you do before rebooting? |
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| 13:45.22 | n_np | okayz |
| 13:45.34 | vrr | wols: nothing except viewing xorg.conf file, i believe |
| 13:45.38 | n_np | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:46.08 | wols | vrr: this I don't believe. there must have been more changes |
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| 13:46.28 | Azar | Downix: I would guess SPARC is supported by Debian |
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| 13:46.40 | vrr | wols: i set password on bios, and then remove, and i viewed menu.lst before that, but all is worked after it |
| 13:47.15 | vrr | and what is strange after bios password resseting nic showed under the eth0 with mac FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF |
| 13:47.17 | Downix | Azar: it is, but this is an upgrade to a very old install. Being careful to get it just right |
| 13:47.33 | Downix | Oh geesh |
| 13:47.41 | Downix | now that I have X installed it keeps trying to startx |
| 13:47.46 | Azar | Downix: I don't know how is a Debian kernel for SPARC called |
| 13:47.49 | Downix | and the end result crashes the system |
| 13:47.57 | Downix | Azar: I'm rolling my own |
| 13:47.59 | tarzeau | Azar: on etch? |
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| 13:48.13 | spanther | irssi :D |
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| 13:48.20 | Azar | mister tarzeau... not sure, Downix say is an old system |
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| 13:48.25 | stew | kernel-image-2.6-sparc32 |
| 13:48.28 | Azar | Downix: remove gdm |
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| 13:48.40 | Azar | !nodm |
| 13:48.40 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 13:48.46 | stew | Downix: starting x with no x installed shouldn't crash anything, just give an error |
| 13:49.31 | Downix | stew: it looks like it's doing some kind of bus-fetch that crashes the video card. |
| 13:49.45 | stew | Downix: what is? |
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| 13:50.08 | stew | Downix: oh, i misread "not that i have x installed" as "i don't have x installed" somehow |
| 13:50.13 | stew | no coffee yet today |
| 13:50.29 | wols | !coffee stew |
| 13:50.35 | n_np | why wont unrar work, lol |
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| 13:51.02 | wols | !tell n_np about doesn't work |
| 13:51.06 | yos89 | Hi |
| 13:51.13 | yos89 | I have quesiton , How can I restore data from ext3 partition? |
| 13:51.18 | yos89 | I creat a msdos disk label by mistake, and all data lost |
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| 13:53.26 | assasukasse | themill: actually i wish to keep using ssh-agent, there is not a reason about that, but i am used to it :D |
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| 13:54.56 | themill | assasukasse: keychain is just an easier way of setting up ssh-agent, it checks to see if the agent has the key before trying to add it, thus saving you from having to type your passphrase each time or from having to do something different on the "first" login to start the agent vs later logins to just continue using the agent. |
| 13:55.14 | themill | assasukasse: keychain can also set up a gpg-agent too if you want. |
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| 13:57.03 | fuzzyhair | Can someone help me install ndiswrapper. I followed their wiki, but if I type ndiswrapper -i net5211.inf it says "ndiswrapper: command not found". I have installed build-essential, and linux kernel headers. I already have gcc preinstalled. I built my system from a minimal cd and added kde-core. Any ideas? |
| 13:57.08 | Eulex | I've got a number of the same program (7 of them) running in gdb, and I noticed that one of them started using excessively much cpu. I've got the pid of offensive program. how do I find out which of the windows or gdb sessions it belongs to? |
| 13:58.00 | n_np | i installed unrar but when i try to execute it it says 'no such file or directory' |
| 13:58.04 | themill | !tell fuzzyhair about ndiswrapper |
| 13:58.26 | themill | fuzzyhair: you may also want one of the ndiswrapper-utils packages. |
| 13:58.55 | themill | fuzzyhair: but that's the limit to my knowledge about it.... so there's no point in asking me any further questions about it ;) |
| 13:59.10 | \amethyst | Eulex: running under different instances of gdb, or is it multithreaded? |
| 13:59.22 | fuzzyhair | themill: The ndiswrapper that I downloaded had 2 folders. "Driver" and "utils" |
| 13:59.25 | \amethyst | Eulex: and did you start it from gdb, or attach to it? |
| 13:59.41 | Eulex | \amethyst, I started the programs from separate gdb sessions. |
| 14:00.20 | themill | fuzzyhair: that message is coming from your shell saying that ndiswrapper itself is not installed. have a look at the output of: type -a ndiswrapper |
| 14:00.20 | fuzzyhair | themill:thanks for your help though. I'm going to search the forums some more. |
| 14:00.23 | DawnLight | how do i set baud rate and 8n1 when i use screen such as "screen /dev/ttyS0"? |
| 14:00.26 | mooper | what is the command for creating a symlink |
| 14:00.32 | Eulex | mooper, ln -s |
| 14:00.39 | \amethyst | Eulex: then look at its parent PID: ps -o ppid $THEPID |
| 14:01.02 | \amethyst | Eulex: also, the controlling terminal will tell you which xterm/console it's running in |
| 14:01.16 | fuzzyhair | themill: bash: type: ndiswrapper: not found |
| 14:01.32 | Eulex | \amethyst, ok :) |
| 14:01.38 | themill | fuzzyhair: yep.. that means that the ndiswrapper program isn't installed. |
| 14:01.47 | fuzzyhair | themill: I will try to install again real quick. |
| 14:01.49 | Eulex | \amethyst, well, the gdbs where started from screens in an xterm... |
| 14:02.02 | themill | fuzzyhair: aptitude install ndiswrapper-common |
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| 14:02.38 | themill | fuzzyhair: you are using the debian packages, aren't you? |
| 14:02.41 | fuzzyhair | themill: I need a version higher than what etch has to offer (>1.45) So I need to compile from source. |
| 14:02.45 | Eulex | oh, pts/16, now I just gotta figure out which screen that is... |
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| 14:03.11 | themill | fuzzyhair: then try a backport of the one from sid. might be easier than what you are currently doing |
| 14:03.36 | themill | fuzzyhair: 1.47 is in sid. |
| 14:03.41 | fuzzyhair | themill: okay. How can I do that without updating my whole system? |
| 14:03.46 | \amethyst | Eulex: also useful might be the gdb 'info proc' command |
| 14:03.49 | themill | fuzzyhair: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:04.02 | Eulex | \amethyst, oh, I'll try that one |
| 14:04.07 | \amethyst | Eulex: but you'd have to stop the program to be able to type that, so it might not be helpful right now |
| 14:04.32 | fuzzyhair | themill: what was that? |
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| 14:04.37 | Eulex | \amethyst, no worries, just ctrl-c, info proc, c |
| 14:05.12 | themill | !tell fuzzyhair about simple sid backport |
| 14:05.25 | fuzzyhair | themill: thankyou :) |
| 14:05.46 | themill | fuzzyhair: dpkg is our info bot... you can /msg it to get factoids thrown at you. Or we can force feed you with !tell ;) |
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| 14:06.03 | fuzzyhair | themill: oh okay. thanks |
| 14:06.18 | kienzan | well |
| 14:06.28 | kienzan | i've "met" with a new problem |
| 14:06.35 | kienzan | Mylex DAC960 raid controller |
| 14:06.45 | Eulex | \amethyst, thank you, exactly what I needed :) |
| 14:07.01 | kienzan | the installer couldn't see any discs on this raid device |
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| 14:09.37 | assasukasse | themill "keychain ~/.ssh/your_key; . ~/.keychain/${HOSTNAME}-sh" where your_key is id_rsa? |
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| 14:09.56 | fuzzyhair | themill: just to make sure I'm doing this right... I add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free to my sources.list? |
| 14:10.11 | manu_hack | hi, what can I do if my computer does not respond due to running a exhausting program? |
| 14:10.19 | themill | assasukasse: yes, that's right... I never use that name for keys, but yes. |
| 14:10.26 | smhar | ok, now that the ati driver problem is solved, temporary, it is the time for the wifi, any pointers to get Atheros to work in debian lenny? |
| 14:10.45 | fuzzyhair | smhar: what card? |
| 14:10.48 | themill | fuzzyhair: you only need the deb-src line, you don't need the deb line. And you can use a local mirror if you want. |
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| 14:11.35 | Downix | Ok, I try to do a make menuconfig and the thing panics |
| 14:11.43 | Downix | ton of "unused variable" errors |
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| 14:12.11 | fuzzyhair | themill: okay so I save that and then do an update, then install ndiswrapper? Won't it want me to update some of my packages to sid? |
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| 14:13.41 | Downix | I have never seen a kernel spit out errors before like this |
| 14:13.45 | themill | fuzzyhair: no no.... please carefully re-read that factoid. You don't install ndiswrapper but download the source for it and them make a new debian package compiled on your machine for etch, but using the sources from sid. You then use dpkg -i to install that backported package. |
| 14:13.45 | DustyDingo | hm, how can i restore the default configurations of a package? |
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| 14:14.09 | smhar | fuzzy_logic, I do not know! it is for my toshiba notebook |
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| 14:14.29 | DustyDingo | apt-get --purge remove evince; apt-get install evince won't work |
| 14:14.40 | assasukasse | themill: what is the dot before ~/.keychain |
| 14:14.44 | smhar | website only says: Atheros® 802.11b/g wireless LAN |
| 14:15.09 | Eulex | DustyDingo, find out whether it put any config files in your home directory, like in ~/.evince |
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| 14:16.15 | DustyDingo | Eulex: i checked for that, but purging and reinstallation this way would restore all files, which are installed with the package? |
| 14:16.31 | assasukasse | themill: how can i prevent all the keychain blabla to be shown on bash? |
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| 14:16.52 | abrotman | DustyDingo: what's the problem you're trying to fix ? |
| 14:17.14 | Eulex | DustyBin, yes. |
| 14:17.26 | themill | assasukasse: -q |
| 14:17.44 | Eulex | DustyBin, I doubt evince has any globally installed config files that you have altered, though. |
| 14:17.52 | predder` | I'd like to declare my undying love for yaird, it succeeds where mkinitramfs fails (root partition on an md) |
| 14:18.11 | predder` | and only 4 hours of stuffing around to discover this! :) |
| 14:18.30 | DustyDingo | a stupid bug with evinces side pane, it can be enlarged but not scaled down |
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| 14:18.45 | assasukasse | themill: thanks alot, i just have a small problem, keychain uses ssh-askpass to make a frontend, i want the plain cli |
| 14:18.51 | fuzzyhair | imill: so after I update I do apt-get build-dep ndiswrapper;apt-get -b source ndiswrapper? |
| 14:18.53 | DustyDingo | and its stored in a config file, which is under .gnome2/evince/$config |
| 14:19.01 | DustyDingo | so removing that one helped |
| 14:19.38 | DustyDingo | tho that wasn't exactly what i asked ;) |
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| 14:20.26 | arghvv | which kernel is best for an athlonxp...686 or k7? |
| 14:20.29 | themill | assasukasse: the dot tells the shell to source the variables from the file (just like . /etc/bash_completion, for example). It's similar to an eval but for things in a file rather than things in a variable. |
| 14:21.09 | DustyDingo | purging and reinstallation this way would restore all files, which are installed with the package? |
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| 14:22.07 | themill | assasukasse: the system-wide ssh-askpass can be set through the alternatives system, but if the first .bashrc source comes from a non-interactive shell then that's going to be a problem for you. |
| 14:22.48 | assasukasse | themill: that's why...i am using urvxt probably is not interactive |
| 14:22.55 | themill | assasukasse: btw the variable SSH_ASKPASS sets what program to use for ask pass |
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| 14:23.45 | Downix | ok, this SPARC keeps locking up, very odd |
| 14:23.52 | themill | assasukasse: by non-interactive, I mean non-tty (and I still don't understand why xterms aren't interactive shells by default.. that seems so dumb) |
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| 14:24.21 | kienzan | "program parted_devices is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO" |
| 14:24.26 | kienzan | what do this mean? |
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| 14:25.03 | assasukasse | themill: that's strange...when i first ran keychain in the bashrc like u said i got an error that askpass was missing..after installing it, request me to enter the passphrase with a gui.. |
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| 14:26.51 | section31 | how can i check my debian version number |
| 14:27.02 | xand | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:27.04 | kienzan | cat /proc/version |
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| 14:27.34 | yos89 | how to restore data from ext3 partition? |
| 14:27.46 | xand | restore from backup |
| 14:27.49 | cmdln | I cant figure out what I am doing wrong |
| 14:27.51 | Hoxzer | xand: :D |
| 14:27.55 | Hoxzer | I love you |
| 14:28.04 | xand | :o |
| 14:28.19 | section31 | how do i keep my os up to date? |
| 14:28.24 | Hoxzer | Somebody has just messed up all his files and you're "Restore from backups" being in the same time certain that he hasn't done backups |
| 14:28.35 | Ronin | section31: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 14:28.58 | fireba11 | section31 : see cron-apt |
| 14:29.02 | section31 | Ronin, does that do the kernal also..or just installed packages |
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| 14:29.17 | cmdln | what would cause a kernel built on one machine with an initrd (created with make-kpkg) to not boot on another machine because it cant find the hard drives |
| 14:29.28 | xand | yos89: how were they removed? |
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| 14:29.38 | fireba11 | section31: you need to install new kernel versions manually, bugfixes you'll get |
| 14:29.39 | Ronin | section31: that will update all installed foo, what did you mean by up to date though? |
| 14:29.55 | cmdln | If I compile the kernel on the machine itself im fine, its only when I try to install the deb on the other machine that it wont boot |
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| 14:30.10 | yos89 | xand: I run getparted, and I creat msdos disk label by mistake, and all data erased |
| 14:30.18 | xand | is that all you did? |
| 14:30.33 | yos89 | xand: what can I do? how can I recover all data of 30 GB ? |
| 14:30.41 | xand | yos89: firstly, you want to dd the drive to a file on another disk |
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| 14:30.51 | stew | cmdln: didn't we figure out this was becuase it was trying to mount /dev/sda1 as root but /dev/sda1 doesn't exist? |
| 14:31.03 | xand | yos89: then, create the original partition i.e. same size etc |
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| 14:31.09 | xand | yos89: and if you're lucky it'll mount |
| 14:31.12 | cmdln | stew: yeah, I cant figure out why sda dissapears |
| 14:31.16 | section31 | Ronin,well fireba11 answered my question he said it does do bugfixes |
| 14:31.18 | section31 | but not kernal updates |
| 14:31.32 | yos89 | xand: what you mean dd the drive to a file? |
| 14:31.46 | xand | yos89: dd if=/dev/hdblah of=/some/file |
| 14:31.47 | stew | cmdln: so it sounds to me like a problem with your virtual machine and not the kernel |
| 14:31.49 | xand | yos89: that'll create a copy |
| 14:32.12 | cmdln | stew: If I compile the kernel on the other vm it works fine. |
| 14:32.19 | Ronin | section31: it will do kernel updates if theres a security update for your kernel |
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| 14:32.31 | cmdln | stew: the problem presents itself if I compile on A and install on B or compile on B and install on A |
| 14:32.34 | yos89 | xand: the distination harddisk should be bigger the the lost, isn't it ? |
| 14:32.53 | cmdln | compiling on A and installing on A works as does compiling on B and installing on B |
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| 14:33.10 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: you around ? |
| 14:33.28 | cmdln | stew: and both machines boot fine off the original debian kernel. |
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| 14:34.30 | yos89 | xand: it will creat a copy of all harddisk? |
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| 14:34.42 | assasukasse | themill: thanks for solving my prob |
| 14:34.58 | themill | assasukasse: no worries... enjoy ;) |
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| 14:35.05 | yos89 | xand: it said no media found |
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| 14:35.35 | ningning | hello, anybody knows how to open a .chm file under linux? |
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| 14:35.42 | berkes | Can I use tail -f to follow multiple files? and if so, how? |
| 14:35.42 | ningning | many thanks for help! |
| 14:35.57 | xand | yos89: no media found? what said that? |
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| 14:36.04 | themill | berkes: multitail |
| 14:36.05 | xand | yos89: and what comman did you run? |
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| 14:36.14 | berkes | ningning: try "file /path/to/your.chm" |
| 14:36.40 | yos89 | xand: I run dd if=/dev/hdb of=home/yosef/file |
| 14:36.59 | kaktuskatta | hi ! I need some help with mounting NTFS hdd on my box....can anyone help me out? I've tried to follow some guides, but it didn't work |
| 14:37.24 | stew | cmdln: they both boot fine off the original debian kernel using /dev/sda1? |
| 14:37.37 | cmdln | stew: yes, thats why I am so confused |
| 14:37.48 | themill | ningning: for some ideas, try apt-cache search chm|grep view |
| 14:37.52 | stew | cmdln: what command are you using to build the kernel? |
| 14:38.20 | yos89 | xand: what to do? |
| 14:38.34 | cmdln | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-mykernel" --revision "4" --us --uc --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 14:38.37 | xand | yos89: are you sure that's the right drive? |
| 14:38.57 | ningning | yes, i found the package "archmage" |
| 14:39.00 | ningning | installing it |
| 14:39.29 | yos89 | xand: when I open the getparted, in the corner it appear as hdb |
| 14:39.48 | xand | yos89: can you pastebin the dd command its output please |
| 14:39.58 | stew | cmdln: and then you try to install that kernel on both VMs with "dpkg -i" while it is running the debian kernel? |
| 14:40.09 | cmdln | stew: correct |
| 14:40.19 | yos89 | xand: no, now I open getparted now, it change it's sdc |
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| 14:40.31 | xand | yos89: erm ok |
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| 14:40.44 | cmdln | stew: then, which ever vm I compiled on boots fine. The other one complains of no drives |
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| 14:40.55 | stew | cmdln: i would try explicitly listing the scsi driver in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 14:41.01 | kaktuskatta | where can I ask for help regarding mount-commands? |
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| 14:41.10 | xand | just ask |
| 14:41.39 | ningning | there is also "FBReader" |
| 14:41.57 | yos89 | xand: what does it do now? the usb harddisk is 250 GB, what it going to copy to the file? |
| 14:42.10 | berkes | themill: thanks. It kindof works, bu I am tailing so much files at once (60 or so) that the multiple screen thing sucks :) |
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| 14:42.51 | xand | yos89: is the usb one the one that you deleted? |
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| 14:42.54 | themill | berkes: yuck... what are you actually doing? Looking at logs? can you aggregate the logs at the syslog or daemon level instead? |
| 14:42.58 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 14:42.58 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 14:43.13 | yos89 | xand: yes |
| 14:43.27 | yos89 | xand: the USB , sdc |
| 14:43.29 | SpeedyG | hey, anyone here have any experience with vnc on debian? I've got the problem that the client only gets a black screen |
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| 14:43.33 | SpeedyG | nothing visual |
| 14:44.03 | xand | yos89: well, do you have 250GB of space on another disk? |
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| 14:44.21 | yos89 | xand: no, not at all, I have 70 GB free |
| 14:44.24 | berkes | themill: I think that is indeed better. If I knew how to do that :) |
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| 14:44.43 | lunk | how can i forcefully remove and reinstall apache2, including default config files? |
| 14:45.00 | berkes | themill: one of my 60 v-hosts is goign berserk every so many minutes. I want to follow all the logfiles of all the vhosts at once |
| 14:45.04 | xand | yos89: well... creating the partition table to how it was before may allow you to access the data |
| 14:45.12 | xand | yos89: however, it also may not |
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| 14:45.57 | cmdln | stew: on the machine I did not compile the kernel on? |
| 14:46.01 | yos89 | xand; http://pastebin.com/d17211af9 |
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| 14:46.46 | xand | yos89: is that drive? dmesg | grep sd |
| 14:47.07 | yos89 | xand; it was ext3 and I use getparted as root, I wanted to make lable (name) I choose disk lable msdoc it erased all data |
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| 14:47.49 | xand | yos89: that shouldn't erase all data, just change the partition table |
| 14:48.03 | xand | yos89: if you run fdisk /dev/sdc and type p does it list any partitions? |
| 14:48.12 | yos89 | xand: http://pastebin.com/d6df1a1a7 |
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| 14:48.25 | DawnLight | woohoo!! my serial ports are working! i've tested them with a null cable! now i can try to use my irrigation valves controller! |
| 14:48.37 | xand | yos89: I think the drive is faulty |
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| 14:49.12 | yos89 | xand: it was working fine |
| 14:49.24 | xand | yos89: those are errors |
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| 14:49.53 | xand | yos89: anyway, if you create a partition exactly the same as it was before, it may let you access the disk. |
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| 14:50.11 | yos89 | xand: http://pastebin.com/d2bc0009e |
| 14:50.40 | xand | yos89: so, was there a single ext3 partition before, the size of hte whole disk? |
| 14:51.03 | yos89 | xand: But if i'm able not to recover the data, i will not be able to do after creating the partition if data not appear |
| 14:51.12 | mkl1525 | Hiryu, (etch) try to run aumix looking at strace shows /dev/mixer is missing - so how can I get it is there some kernel module I've to load? |
| 14:51.17 | yos89 | xand, yes, the size of whole disk |
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| 14:52.04 | xand | yos89: create a new partition |
| 14:52.08 | xand | yos89: the same as it was before |
| 14:52.38 | yos89 | xand: and then if not appear, i'll still be able to recover? or it will write over? |
| 14:52.50 | xand | yos89: it won't write over it... just don't format! |
| 14:52.58 | xand | ONLY create a new partition in fdisk |
| 14:53.07 | xand | yos89: it should be ok, but no promises |
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| 14:53.31 | yos89 | xand: i use getparted, it ok? |
| 14:53.40 | xand | if you like |
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| 14:54.07 | xand | yos89: personally i wouldn't do it without copying the disk first |
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| 14:54.30 | yos89 | xand: oh, thankgod, the data is there |
| 14:54.41 | xand | yos89: it worked? |
| 14:54.42 | yos89 | xand; as you told me, I just make a partition |
| 14:54.45 | xand | :) |
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| 14:54.49 | yos89 | xand; ;yes, it worked |
| 14:54.57 | yos89 | xand: thank you very much |
| 14:55.04 | yos89 | xand: just like magic |
| 14:55.27 | xand | good |
| 14:55.28 | claudio` | My laptop temperature is +52° but the fan still doesn't start. I'm reading the ACPI documentation but without results. Does anyone, please, can help me? |
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| 14:55.35 | yos89 | xand: thank you for help |
| 14:55.37 | xand | yos89: I've done the same thing before |
| 14:55.50 | yos89 | xand: thank you |
| 14:56.25 | xand | np |
| 14:56.26 | xoz | claudio`: usually, 52 is still normal. |
| 14:56.27 | yos89 | xand: how to make the lable I ment for? change the name of the device when I mounted? |
| 14:56.32 | xand | erm |
| 14:56.36 | xand | not sure |
| 14:57.03 | claudio` | xoz: i don't think so, up to 40° the CPU become unstable (as the Intel says) |
| 14:57.34 | claudio` | xoz: anyway i can reache higher temperatures too. How can i control my fan |
| 14:57.35 | claudio` | ? |
| 14:57.45 | cast | wow @ a max operating temp of 40 degrees, |
| 14:58.13 | x_link | cast: You mean if the CPU gets hotter than 40C then it gets unstable? |
| 14:58.15 | xoz | mine is 64 and i cant hear the fan |
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| 14:58.39 | rahul | does anyone even know what CPU anyone else is talking about? |
| 14:58.47 | cast | x_link: that's what i read claudio`'s startment as |
| 14:58.48 | x_link | Idle: 27-31C Load: 38-39C. |
| 14:59.04 | x_link | Okej, I don't know if I can believe that. |
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| 14:59.13 | claudio` | x_link: you can believe what you want :P |
| 14:59.22 | rahul | x_link: please don't spread unrelated information as though it's universal |
| 14:59.24 | claudio` | x_link: check the Intel.com site. |
| 14:59.34 | claudio` | x_link: AMD too, if you are interested. |
| 14:59.44 | stew | cmdln: on both |
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| 15:00.21 | Downix | rahul: I'm talking a HyperSPARC, what are you talking about? |
| 15:00.59 | rahul | Downix: shush, you're not talking :P |
| 15:01.11 | Downix | rahul: 8) |
| 15:01.31 | x_link | claudio`: Okej. |
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| 15:01.33 | amphi | claudio`: what processor is this? |
| 15:01.40 | x_link | claudio`: Ahh you read it from Intel.com |
| 15:02.01 | x_link | claudio`: I just meant that alot of processors are over 40C, so that means that almost everyone is unstable. |
| 15:02.02 | rahul | do any of you even know what UNITS the others are talking in? |
| 15:02.23 | rahul | my god, the idocy here is sickening |
| 15:02.25 | claudio` | x_link: indeed |
| 15:02.28 | gkiagia | intel says 40 is max??? :S my core duo reaches 92C without any problem at all :D |
| 15:02.35 | amphi | rahul: celsius - what else? |
| 15:02.41 | xand | rahul: kelvin no? |
| 15:02.42 | rahul | amphi: who knows |
| 15:02.44 | rahul | heh |
| 15:02.53 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 15:02.53 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 15:02.54 | claudio` | amphi: Genuine Intel(R) T1350 |
| 15:02.57 | amphi | claudio`: do 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/trip_points' |
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| 15:03.26 | amphi | claudio`: no idea what that is - some core duo? |
| 15:03.35 | RvGaTe^work | rahul, ewww |
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| 15:03.38 | amphi | rahul: heheh |
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| 15:03.41 | x_link | Mine is at 29C right now. |
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| 15:04.01 | claudio` | amphi: it's 127°. Anyway no, i have only one core ;) |
| 15:04.19 | francis | could someone please help me out with lvs and nat ???? |
| 15:04.20 | rahul | 40C _can_ be perfectly normal |
| 15:04.25 | rahul | if any of you idiots had a clue |
| 15:04.30 | xand | francis: if you ask |
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| 15:04.54 | amphi | claudio`: 127 seems rather hot |
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| 15:05.04 | amphi | claudio`: assuming celsius of course ;) |
| 15:05.04 | stew | rahul: don't call people idiots |
| 15:05.27 | francis | xand i have it configured with piranha and it all works well .. i can see node fails over but i think i got the nat wrong |
| 15:05.44 | amphi | rahul: wtf? my pentium used to go to over 70C under load, before I undervolted it |
| 15:05.48 | xand | francis: sorry, not me personnally, I don't know about LVS |
| 15:05.50 | claudio` | amphi: i get just '127 C'. I don't know if it's Celsius, even if i guess it's :-) |
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| 15:06.03 | amphi | claudio`: that's quite hot ;) |
| 15:06.26 | francis | oo xand thats cool !! |
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| 15:06.28 | amphi | claudio`: my critical trip point appears to be 93C |
| 15:06.47 | francis | let me see if i can find anyone to discuss it with |
| 15:07.00 | francis | though thanks for the Warm Welcome |
| 15:07.18 | claudio` | amphi: uhm.. you'll never go up to 70C, if you leave your laptop out of your furnace :) |
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| 15:08.24 | amphi | claudio`: wtf? it used to go _over_ 70C under load; since I undervolted it, it hardly goes over 50C under load |
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| 15:08.40 | francis | I have my LVS cluster setup but i am unable to nat my connections to the real webserver !!! I have spent the whole day on this now |
| 15:09.14 | amphi | claudio`: this is a pentium m BTW |
| 15:09.28 | stew | my pentium m goes over 70c for sure |
| 15:09.31 | claudio` | amphi: mmmh.. i think 50C are dangerous for the hard disk too i think |
| 15:09.42 | claudio` | amphi: it's not normal to have ~60C of CPU temperature |
| 15:09.50 | duns_s | hi |
| 15:09.51 | stew | claudio`: it is for some processors |
| 15:10.01 | duns_s | i get: bio too big device md1 (248 > 240) |
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| 15:10.22 | claudio` | oh |
| 15:10.31 | claudio` | anyway i want to activate my fan, in some way. |
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| 15:10.58 | xoz | claudio`: for dual core, 65 to 70 is normal |
| 15:11.03 | duns_s | on my software raid system (internal hd, external usb hd) |
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| 15:11.10 | wols | cpu temp mainly depends on CPU |
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| 15:11.28 | claudio` | xoz: i don't agree, i have a dual core (desktop) wich never goes up to 50C |
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| 15:11.35 | claudio` | s/wich/which |
| 15:11.36 | wols | some are colder, some are hotter. it also depends on where you measure: temp diodes inside the CPUs are far hotter than external sensors |
| 15:11.45 | wols | claudio`: meaningless |
| 15:11.57 | amphi | claudio`: do you run anything processor intensive on it? ;) |
| 15:11.58 | claudio` | wols: because it's a desktop? |
| 15:11.58 | xoz | claudio`: mine is 2.16 GHZ and minimum temp is 60c right now |
| 15:11.59 | wols | xoz: there is no "normal" |
| 15:12.04 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: nvm, i've got vnc working now :D thanks a million!;D |
| 15:12.05 | wols | claudio`: no because it's a C2D |
| 15:12.14 | stew | claudio`: sure, my pentim M laptop idles aroung 50, and goes over 70 under load, my amd64 desktop rarely goes over 25, |
| 15:12.16 | xoz | wols: normal is when the computer works! |
| 15:12.17 | claudio` | amphi: i guess yes, i build my NetBSD box almost any month |
| 15:12.52 | claudio` | wols: then i was right, i was reaply to xoz. |
| 15:12.55 | claudio` | *right |
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| 15:13.12 | duns_s | i put a luks encryption on it and on top an ext3 partition |
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| 15:13.15 | duns_s | any ideas? |
| 15:13.19 | claudio` | stew: seems to be funny. Do you have liquid cooling in your desktop? :-P |
| 15:13.38 | francis | hi could someone help me with nat . I need to forward incoming connections for ecternal interface to interface |
| 15:13.39 | jelly | SpeedyG: nice. This conversation took maybe 10 lines over 3 days. :-) |
| 15:13.44 | wols | claudio`: c'n'q |
| 15:13.59 | abrotman | jelly: your latency sucks! |
| 15:14.03 | stew | claudio`: nope, and i disabled all but one case fan |
| 15:14.07 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.29 | jelly | stew: brr... you have a negative entropy cpu? |
| 15:14.35 | SMS | hi girls |
| 15:14.36 | claudio` | wols: eh, i still didn't understood how can i manage my SpeedStep support |
| 15:14.49 | S4nD3r | Which software to use to convert a CDDA CD to mp3 ? |
| 15:14.56 | claudio` | stew: you lives in Tibet, i guess |
| 15:14.58 | claudio` | -.- |
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| 15:15.22 | jelly | abrotman: "when I grow up I'll be a VOIP carrier! ..." shattered dreams |
| 15:15.22 | xoz | claudio`: note: operating temp is room temp... not the temp in your cpu. |
| 15:15.28 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:15.33 | SMS | hi |
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| 15:15.39 | cast | S4nD3r: grip is quite good. i suggest you convert to ogg/vorbis though. |
| 15:15.40 | Downix | I still can't figure out why debian crashes when it tries to load X |
| 15:15.45 | wols | S4nD3r: anything that uses LAME |
| 15:15.54 | cast | not thati know what cdda means, i could be completely off :) |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | Downix: nothing in the logs? |
| 15:16.14 | jelly | cast: cdda means "ripping audio cds" :-) |
| 15:16.19 | wols | cast: CD digital audio |
| 15:16.24 | xoz | Downix: just recently? |
| 15:16.26 | cast | ahh. |
| 15:16.26 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 15:16.32 | Downix | abrotman, Nothing, it's a complete system lockup. |
| 15:16.32 | abrotman | xoz: he's running sarge on a sparc |
| 15:16.46 | Downix | xoz: since I re-installed X after upgrading the distro |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | Downix: maybe it's time for some remote system logging :) |
| 15:17.04 | Downix | abrotman: not a bad idea |
| 15:17.16 | jelly | and those supposedly "compact" discs are not very compact at all |
| 15:17.23 | abrotman | Downix: i have other ideas .. but you probably don't want to know about those ;) |
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| 15:17.35 | xoz | abrotman: i had problems with ATI recently. seems that radeon driver fglrx and ati driver does not work on the latest update of X |
| 15:17.45 | SpeedyG | jelly: haha, indeed it did :D |
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| 15:17.58 | stew | claudio`: jelly, no, i pretty much only use this machine to ssh out to other places, and most of the time it stays a degree or two above abient, and yes, its cold in the apartment right now which feels great |
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| 15:19.19 | helo | is it food? |
| 15:19.23 | helo | err, heh |
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| 15:19.51 | helo | anyone know the official debian theme song? |
| 15:20.07 | streuner | heh |
| 15:20.09 | abrotman | i don't think there is one |
| 15:20.22 | helo | we really need one :) |
| 15:20.24 | jelly | stew: my laptop rises to +10 - +15 celsius above the ambient seconds, nay, minutes after bootup |
| 15:20.28 | streuner | "Always look on the bright side?" ;-) |
| 15:20.39 | abrotman | helo: nothing is stopping you |
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| 15:21.13 | S4nD3r | I dont know where my audio drive is mounted |
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| 15:22.01 | Downix | hmm, no ssh server on this |
| 15:22.13 | pegger | can somewone suggest a good cpanel host that does not have downtime? |
| 15:22.19 | helo | i'm thinking britney spears early stuff |
| 15:22.20 | rahul | laptops tend to get hotter |
| 15:22.34 | stew | jelly: *shrug* AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ ; i definately could have used a chaeper cpu cooler |
| 15:22.53 | helo | nah, it needs to be techno |
| 15:23.09 | SpeedyG | jelly: oh, and that ssh part, its really brilliant :D |
| 15:23.23 | rahul | helo: no, it should be Enigmatic Mission by Pagan's Mind |
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| 15:24.07 | jelly | SpeedyG: it's a nice hack and works well on my 1Mbps/192kbps DSL |
| 15:24.56 | jelly | SpeedyG: try enabling compression if you haven't already (ssh -C), might help more with refresh (at expense of latency) |
| 15:25.23 | cast | S4nD3r: audio cds don't get mounted in order to rip, but aside from that it'll be one of hd{a,b,c,d} if its PATA, hda or hdc in particular |
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| 15:25.32 | x_link | claudio`: Can you please give me that link? |
| 15:25.43 | claudio` | x_link: let me check |
| 15:25.45 | jelly | helo: it's some Queen tune backwards, with satanic subliminal lyrics urging you to renounce the ways of proprietary software |
| 15:25.58 | x_link | claudio`: Thanks |
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| 15:26.45 | SpeedyG | jelly: I mostly use ssh from windows boxes |
| 15:26.55 | jelly | stew: well, that 17C is definitely unrealistic. You would have that temp on CPU if the room was near-freezing |
| 15:27.04 | jelly | SpeedyG: putty can do compression too |
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| 15:27.22 | S4nD3r | the grip do now find disk |
| 15:27.40 | S4nD3r | the grip didnt find audio disc |
| 15:28.04 | helo | haha |
| 15:28.20 | stew | jelly: i think the room is around 13, load avg. 0.09 |
| 15:28.23 | _atula_ | after installing the 2.6.18-5 kernel... ndiswrapper doesn't work... so I went back to the 2.6.18-4 and it works... in any case.. on grub screen, I'm seeing two kernel now... does that mean that when I upgrade kernel again, there'll be three listed on grub? I guess it's just the grub question.. I'll deal with the ndiswrapper thing later |
| 15:28.27 | helo | with heat pipes 17C isn't entirely unrealistic |
| 15:28.30 | jelly | SpeedyG: unix putty (I have putty installed on a Debian machine) has it in Connection -> SSH -> Enable compression |
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| 15:28.52 | SpeedyG | jelly: yeah, I just found it on the windows putty :D |
| 15:28.54 | jelly | stew: that's cold |
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| 15:29.05 | SpeedyG | this is actually the first time I ever got vnc to work decently on X :) |
| 15:29.12 | foug | Does anyone have a nintendo DS and an R4DS? |
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| 15:29.31 | Ronin | foug: some do some dont |
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| 15:30.09 | cahoot | _atula_, unless you remove any kernel - yes |
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| 15:31.44 | jelly | stew: 13C = 55F, says Skynet |
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| 15:32.08 | claudio` | x_link: i only found the Dual-Core related page |
| 15:32.24 | claudio` | x_link: nothing about single core CPU. I'm checking my bookmarks. |
| 15:32.32 | claudio` | x_link: s/bookmarks/history |
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| 15:34.09 | Downix | ok, it won't let me ssh in |
| 15:34.16 | Downix | this is getting rediculous |
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| 15:34.23 | x_link | claudio`: Okej. |
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| 15:35.33 | Downix | hmm |
| 15:35.39 | jelly | SpeedyG: I had been using x0rfbserver before, but someone on the channel pointed me to x11vnc which works a lot better. It's possible that something like NoMachine / freenx is faster/better/easier to set up, but this works well enough for me. And basically the only time I use it is to start some torrents over the weekend or check some web page I left open at work. :-) |
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| 15:36.24 | foug | Ronin: know of an yone specific? |
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| 15:37.33 | _atula_ | cahoot, you can remove kernel? |
| 15:38.05 | Downix | Ok, it looks like the included kernel is missing parts, and I can't make a new one |
| 15:38.07 | _atula_ | cahoot, if that's the case... can I remove the kernel I upgraded recently? then I wouldn't have the ndiswrapper problem anymore |
| 15:38.27 | SpeedyG | jelly: problem with freenx/nomachine is that it cant take over the current desktop |
| 15:38.32 | SpeedyG | or at least, not in the time I tried it :) |
| 15:38.47 | amphi | stew: your pentium m idles at 50C in a room at 13C? that seems rather hot |
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| 15:39.27 | darkstar2002 | SpeedyG: You are correct about the freenx/nomachine |
| 15:39.41 | cahoot | _atula_, yes but you are sure you really need ndis? |
| 15:39.49 | stew | amphi: yes my previous laptop |
| 15:39.51 | Ronin | !tell foug abotu ask |
| 15:39.55 | bieb | 50c is hot |
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| 15:40.21 | _atula_ | cahoot, yeah... wireless aint working for me if I dont use ndis... I have an older type of laptop |
| 15:40.49 | cahoot | _atula_, in any case you could just choose to boot the kernel you want |
| 15:40.53 | Ronin | !tell foug about ask |
| 15:40.56 | Ronin | there thats better |
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| 15:41.03 | amphi | bieb: 50C is ok; my laptop cpu is at that temp for days on end ;) |
| 15:41.09 | S4nD3r | how to share a cups printer to windows ? |
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| 15:41.25 | moshii | Downix: Building a kernel from your sparc? |
| 15:41.38 | cahoot | _atula_, does 'the old' kernel exist as an option in grub? |
| 15:41.46 | jelly | SpeedyG: xrdp also looks promising, but it's rather new |
| 15:41.57 | bieb | amphi.. laptops are hotter than desktops.. if his desktop is running at 50c in a room that is 13c... that is pretty hot |
| 15:42.01 | Downix | moshii: yup. It just spits out errors |
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| 15:42.11 | _atula_ | cahoot, yeah... but ya know... neat freak.. |
| 15:42.33 | jelly | SpeedyG: RDP is _way_ faster and more responsive than ssh -X or vnc (or vnc over ssh -C) for me |
| 15:42.37 | _atula_ | cahoot, I'm the type that reinstall the damn os just so that it's at a pristine state |
| 15:42.46 | cahoot | _atula_, well I'd boot into the kernel you want then remove the other |
| 15:42.46 | moshii | Downix: are you using the kernel packaging tools or the raw source? |
| 15:42.47 | amphi | bieb: ah, desktop, yes |
| 15:43.10 | cahoot | _atula_, just to make sure it works as expected |
| 15:43.10 | Downix | moshii: just my usual make xconfig, then make menuconfig, then make config, none of them work |
| 15:43.16 | jelly | SpeedyG: there's just the little issue of rdp server being available only on windows :-) |
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| 15:44.30 | moshii | Downix: try with a debian kernel tree and kernel-package |
| 15:44.49 | Downix | moshii: debian kernel tree doesn't see the included onboard SCSI controller |
| 15:44.55 | _atula_ | cahoot, so I am in the kernel that's working.... if I do an apt-get --purge remove kernelyadda-2.6.18-5.. it will be clean? you think? |
| 15:45.11 | Downix | moshii: unless there's another kenl I didn't see |
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| 15:45.46 | moshii | Downix The debian tree is the same as the kernel.org one with some patches, you just need to config it with the bits that you need |
| 15:45.50 | freezer | ho |
| 15:46.04 | cahoot | _atula_, I never use the purge option |
| 15:46.15 | Downix | moshii: it won't config, just spits out "undefined" errors |
| 15:46.19 | moshii | Downix: At least use kernel-package to build the kernel |
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| 15:46.53 | moshii | Downix: you have the build-essential package installed? and ncurses dev for the configuration interface? |
| 15:46.54 | freezer | how to filter nicks out (show tehm) which have a certain host |
| 15:47.07 | freezer | *them |
| 15:47.07 | Downix | moshii: I thought so |
| 15:47.14 | freezer | with xchat |
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| 15:48.51 | freezer | maybe wrong question here, but what is better, freebsd or debian? :D |
| 15:48.52 | moshii | Downix: errors running at the configuration stage would tend to signal that your build environment is incomplete/broken |
| 15:48.58 | Downix | fun |
| 15:49.28 | Ronin | freezer: humm, #debian so guess what we're going to say |
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| 15:49.52 | rcy | whats better, yellow or seven? |
| 15:49.58 | freezer | GREEN! |
| 15:50.06 | Downix | What's better, Square or Pancakes? |
| 15:50.12 | wols | freezer: install windows. 90% of all people can't be wrong |
| 15:50.13 | helo | is there any way to make a snapshot of installed packages, install some extra packages, and be able to revert back to the snapshot later? |
| 15:50.27 | wols | helo: yes. we call it backup |
| 15:50.32 | SpeedyG | jelly: nothing that can't be overcome is it? ;) |
| 15:50.52 | _atula_ | any big difference between 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.18-5? |
| 15:51.07 | xand | _atula_: security bug fixes |
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| 15:51.46 | _atula_ | ah. I see |
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| 15:53.05 | helo | wols: the idea is to install a bunch of develoment packages (compiler, etc), compile a program natively, install it, and then get rid of the unneeded packages |
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| 15:53.38 | stew | helo: use a chroot |
| 15:53.53 | stew | helo: or pbuilder/cowbuilder |
| 15:54.03 | darkstar2002 | helo: you could always purge the packages you installed when your done |
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| 15:54.24 | stew | helo: or try the aptitdue-build-dep script at p12n.org |
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| 15:55.05 | stew | (which i think failed for me the last time i tried) |
| 15:55.13 | helo | heh p12n, nice |
| 15:55.27 | claudio` | x_link: nothing found, sorry! Indeed i'd read it some time ago but it's also possible that i remember the wrong site. I wondering where i'd read that, anyway if the source is not intel.com then i have no reason to believe on it. |
| 15:56.04 | rahul | sigh |
| 15:56.22 | rahul | he's still going on about how one CPU's properties apply to all |
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| 15:58.02 | freezer | wols: are you serious? |
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| 15:58.24 | freezer | wols: i better go and get my windows95 cd back! |
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| 16:00.07 | karmatronic | hi folks |
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| 16:00.33 | Hoxzer | well hello there |
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| 16:04.00 | dogmeat | Hoxzer, hi |
| 16:04.08 | _atula_ | it seems that there's no official ndiswrapper modules in 2.6.18-5 kernel? |
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| 16:05.49 | karmatronic | _atula_: you can still compile it by yourself |
| 16:05.49 | stew | _atula_: no, but you can build them easily enough |
| 16:05.57 | stew | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 16:05.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 16:06.25 | _atula_ | cool. |
| 16:06.28 | _atula_ | thanks so much |
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| 16:07.02 | _atula_ | stew, and I would run that in the 2.6.18-5 kernel... wait a sec... no internet arrgh! |
| 16:07.09 | _atula_ | it's a catch-22 really |
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| 16:08.25 | Eulex | _atula_, download on another box, transfer it somehow, then build? |
| 16:08.34 | helo | is it possible to zero out all unused sectors on an ext3 fs? |
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| 16:09.13 | dalias | helo, yes, cat /dev/zero > dummyfile ; rm dummyfile |
| 16:09.21 | helo | well anything is possible, but is it easy |
| 16:09.24 | dutchfish | helo, yes |
| 16:09.31 | dalias | i just gave you the command to do it... |
| 16:09.33 | _atula_ | I am on the 2.6.18-4 kernel and the ndiswrapper is working... maybe I can download it? |
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| 16:09.50 | Eulex | _atula_, of course you could |
| 16:11.07 | helo | i would prefer to do a bunch of stuff, then run 'sanitize' or whatever, and know that everything i deleted is now really hard to recover |
| 16:11.24 | helo | rather than santizing while i'm doing a bunch of stuff on a per-file basis |
| 16:11.46 | themill | helo: re-read what dalias told you to do. |
| 16:12.01 | darkstar2002 | helo: the best way to make sure nobody can read the drive is just to destroy it. writing on top of it is alot of work for no guarity |
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| 16:12.12 | dalias | helo, what you prefer is a LOT slower than doing it on a per-file basis before deleting |
| 16:12.25 | dalias | once you delete the file you've lost track of where it was |
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| 16:12.38 | dalias | so you're forced to zero everything (extremely slow) rather than just the file |
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| 16:13.06 | themill | which of course you can't just zero out due to the way ext3 works anyway.... |
| 16:13.21 | dalias | themill, you can. cat /dev/zero > dummyfile |
| 16:13.38 | dutchfish | sudo cp /dev/null /path/file |
| 16:13.40 | themill | dalias: that doesn't do it per-file though. |
| 16:13.40 | dalias | this will zero out all of the unused space (assuming you're root or there's no root-reserved space) |
| 16:13.44 | stew | _atula_: while you are running -4, install module-assistant ndiswrapper-source build-essential and linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 (or -386 or whatever flavor or linux-image you installed) |
| 16:13.45 | helo | so the answer is 'not exactly' :) |
| 16:13.51 | dalias | themill, per-file is easy |
| 16:14.00 | stew | _atula_: then reboot to 2.6.18-5 and run "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" |
| 16:14.10 | dalias | just open the file for read/write mode and write zeros over top of it |
| 16:14.14 | themill | dalias: under ext3 it's impossible, actually. read man 1 shred |
| 16:14.20 | emss | is there a site that mirrors the daily netisnt/business-card images? the debian.org link is very slow 2+ hours for a 36MB file |
| 16:14.49 | _atula_ | stew, ah. so when I am in the new kernel.. m-a a-i ndiswrapper just compile the module for the new kernel? |
| 16:14.54 | dalias | themill, the ext3 exception only applies if you use data journaling |
| 16:14.57 | dalias | which is idiotic |
| 16:15.01 | themill | dalias: (depending on how you've got it set up) |
| 16:15.13 | dalias | it makes your filesystem perform like a 286... |
| 16:15.20 | themill | heh |
| 16:15.36 | stew | _atula_: m-a a-i will compile for the current kernel, which is the easiest, there are switches to m-a which will cause it to build for a different kernel if you prefer to do it that way |
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| 16:16.44 | helo | ok, now for an alternative :) |
| 16:16.55 | foug | Does anyone have a nintendo DS and an R4DS? |
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| 16:17.33 | helo | if i were to mount some code over NFS and compile it, will there be a good chance that some code was cached to the local disk? |
| 16:17.35 | DustyBin | do any of you guys use screen + irssi + rotorrent + mutt together |
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| 16:18.12 | helo | what's roturrent? |
| 16:18.15 | dutchfish | helo, caching to mem you mean? |
| 16:18.23 | DustyBin | rtorrent |
| 16:19.14 | DustyBin | you silly sod |
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| 16:20.18 | mooper | Does anyone know why exim would be waiting 6 hours before forwarding an email? |
| 16:20.24 | _atula_ | stew, alright. I'll give it a try again. I'll come back and let ya know :D thanks |
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| 16:20.43 | dutchfish | mooper, because it ried several times before and increased wait time? |
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| 16:20.49 | DustyBin | is it possible to access a squirrelmail email box with mutt |
| 16:20.52 | dutchfish | mooper, ried - tried |
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| 16:23.24 | mooper | dutchfish: no I dont think so, tho I will check the logs |
| 16:24.12 | dutchfish | mooper, and sometime its queue can be messed up, you can check its queue too and restart its handler |
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| 16:29.04 | mooper | dutchfish, restart the daemon? |
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| 16:29.18 | dutchfish | mooper, thinking of it i remember that alot of sysadmins like things like "baricade", a feature that defers initial delivery 1 or 2 times before accepting the mail to prevent spamm-runs |
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| 16:29.27 | foug | unmounting a volume/drive is the same as ejecting it in windows, correct? |
| 16:29.51 | dutchfish | mooper, you could try that yes, it will reinitialize queue-handling |
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| 16:31.02 | dutchfish | foug, wrong. the eject use eject |
| 16:32.19 | S4nD3r | look this wonderful script to ripping audio cds to mp3 |
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| 16:32.22 | S4nD3r | http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/scripts/verFonte.php?codigo=1661&arquivo=ripar |
| 16:32.36 | Axl | how to stop dhcp3-client from fetching name server information |
| 16:32.43 | cahoot | S4nD3r, nothing can beat abcde |
| 16:32.57 | Axl | or stop it from updating resolv.conf |
| 16:33.06 | dutchfish | Axl, should it? i would prefer to setup the dhcp-server the right way |
| 16:33.22 | themill | !fixresolvconf |
| 16:33.23 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. |
| 16:33.29 | dutchfish | Axl, or go static |
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| 16:34.27 | kenjy | wawawawawa |
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| 16:35.21 | Riotblade | hey Wyzard, you alive? |
| 16:36.29 | Axl | edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf meaning remiove domain-name-servers from request right? |
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| 16:38.02 | dutchfish | Axl, supersude [option declaration] read manpage |
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| 16:38.16 | dutchfish | Axl, supersead* |
| 16:38.24 | vin` | prepend is probably what he wants |
| 16:38.33 | dutchfish | Axl, sorry for my typos |
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| 16:38.58 | themill | vin`: supersede is required if you want to replace what the server told you with something different. |
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| 16:41.47 | Axl | i just want it not touch /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:42.36 | dutchfish | Axl, dhcp does, you could go static |
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| 16:46.40 | Juul | heya |
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| 16:47.42 | Juul | does anyone know where IBM thinkpads with the fingerprint-readers store the power-on-fingerprint-password? in the bios or somewhere on the harddrive? |
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| 16:51.49 | lindenle | my menus are not showing up in ooimpress anyone else? |
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| 16:52.57 | foug | I'm trying to add something to a microSD card and after I add it then unmount it the data is not on there, this is only a problem with linux/debian because it works just fine on my windows comp. |
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| 16:55.22 | DustyDingo | any idears when python3.0 will be shipped with debian unstable? |
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| 16:55.57 | cast | eh |
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| 16:56.19 | cast | i presume shortly after python 3000 ships |
| 16:57.27 | DustyDingo | good, look forward to try some things |
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| 16:57.50 | cast | looks like py3k will come out near the end of 08 |
| 16:57.55 | cmdln | stew: adding the scsi drivers to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules didnt help |
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| 16:58.08 | cmdln | any other ideas? |
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| 17:01.10 | x_link | claudio`: He, okey then. |
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| 17:01.51 | S4nD3r | how to share a cups printer linux to wiindows client? |
| 17:02.09 | cmdln | S4nD3r: using samba |
| 17:02.19 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 17:02.22 | S4nD3r | how ? |
| 17:02.28 | cahoot | plain ipp works too if w2k or xp |
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| 17:03.00 | S4nD3r | cahoot, in linux, use ipp ? |
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| 17:03.39 | cmdln | S4nD3r: on the windows client set up a new printer using ipp pointing to your cups server |
| 17:04.01 | cahoot | create a raw printer queue and point wn clients to http://<server>:631/printers/<raw printer> |
| 17:04.08 | wols | S4nD3r: ipp only works from win2k and up |
| 17:04.22 | S4nD3r | ok, its xp |
| 17:04.59 | wols | then use ipp as cahoot suggests |
| 17:05.00 | cmdln | this stupid moving the kernel between vms on different hosts is driving me nuts |
| 17:05.02 | cahoot | cups must of course be configged to accept LAN connections |
| 17:05.23 | S4nD3r | theres no printersname |
| 17:05.32 | S4nD3r | Im using browser to see cups server |
| 17:05.34 | S4nD3r | its ok |
| 17:05.46 | cahoot | create a raw printer queue |
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| 17:05.57 | S4nD3r | how? |
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| 17:06.06 | S4nD3r | i dunno |
| 17:06.19 | cahoot | add printer and so on |
| 17:07.16 | Callahad | Hi, could anyone running Gnome with openoffice.org-gtk check and see if the openoffice file open/save dialogs are the standard gtk ones? I'm getting the hard-to-use default OOo dialog instead of the gtk one |
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| 17:08.12 | S4nD3r | its added |
| 17:08.19 | S4nD3r | in linux is possible to use |
| 17:08.21 | zophy | kernel 2.6 documentation says that ide-scsi is no longer needed but i can't get things to work without the ide-scsi module |
| 17:08.25 | S4nD3r | Device URI: hp:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=BR6AKFR0S504KV |
| 17:08.25 | zophy | howcome ? |
| 17:08.41 | valdyn | zophy: its not only not needed, its broken |
| 17:08.54 | zophy | yes, i think it is |
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| 17:09.15 | valdyn | zophy: now tell us what is not working in your setup |
| 17:10.15 | zophy | when i use ide-scsi i get write errors and the cd is closed right away |
| 17:10.23 | zophy | a cd-r is trashed |
| 17:10.33 | valdyn | zophy: dont use ide-scsi, its broken |
| 17:11.35 | zophy | how can i get the 2.6 cd writer code tkernel code to come into play ? |
| 17:12.06 | valdyn | zophy: you dont, there's nothing special you need to do, except removing ide-scsi from /etc/modules or wherever you load it |
| 17:12.33 | zophy | without the ide-scsi module loaded manually wodim says it can find a scsi driver |
| 17:12.48 | valdyn | zophy: that's fine, it doesnt need a scsi driver |
| 17:12.49 | zophy | that is my problem |
| 17:13.17 | valdyn | zophy: ide-scsi is obsolete, broken, you don't use it, there's no more scsi involved in burning to a parallel ata cdrom drive |
| 17:13.21 | zophy | but wodim exits with an error |
| 17:13.31 | valdyn | zophy: ... |
| 17:13.44 | valdyn | !tell zophy -about ask |
| 17:14.03 | valdyn | zophy: im not a magician, you tell precise commands and errors, and i tell you precise fixes. No guesswork for me. |
| 17:14.06 | zophy | the error is about not finding a scsi driver |
| 17:14.19 | zophy | the wodim error is about not finding a scsi driver |
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| 17:14.42 | valdyn | zophy: come back when you read what dpkg told you |
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| 17:15.29 | Burrower | hi |
| 17:15.38 | Burrower | hey, is there a good howto for basic debian setup |
| 17:15.45 | Burrower | FQDN, hostnames etc |
| 17:15.51 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 17:15.51 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 17:16.16 | Burrower | mmm |
| 17:16.36 | zophy | with kernel 2.6 wodim complains about not finding an scsi driver when i try to write to a cd, i have no clue why this is occuring |
| 17:16.49 | zophy | anyone have a clue about this ? |
| 17:16.49 | valdyn | zophy: hehe |
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| 17:16.54 | valdyn | zophy: you dont get it, do you |
| 17:17.02 | valdyn | zophy: give the full command you are issueing |
| 17:17.28 | valdyn | zophy: and ideally the literal error, but in this case i can guess what's wrong |
| 17:17.43 | zophy | ok, guess please |
| 17:18.02 | valdyn | zophy: you're trying to burn to a scsi drive, but there's no scsi drive anymore because ide-scsi is gone |
| 17:18.15 | valdyn | zophy: your cdrom is now /dev/hdc probably |
| 17:18.36 | valdyn | zophy: but only after the ide-cd driver is loaded and ide-scsi removed. A reboot should take care of that too |
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| 17:19.04 | zophy | oh, there is a ide-cd module ? |
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| 17:24.03 | foug | I'm trying to add something to a microSD card and after I add it then unmount it the data is not on there, this is only a problem with linux/debian because it works just fine on my windows comp. Any help please? |
| 17:24.36 | xand | foug: how did you check the data wasnt' there? |
| 17:24.48 | foug | It's a microSD card for my Nintendo DS. |
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| 17:24.56 | foug | I tried putting some songs on there and they aren't there when I load it up. |
| 17:26.05 | Callahad | foug: (note: I know nothing about this subject) It could be write caching to improve throughput. Basically, the actual actions of writing the files don't happen until a certain threshhold (time or data) is hit, then they get dumped onto the card. Until then, they're just in your RAM. |
| 17:26.20 | stew | or until you unmount |
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| 17:26.35 | stew | at which time it sync(1)s it |
| 17:26.39 | Callahad | That too. That'd be important. |
| 17:26.46 | foug | Callahad: how can i finalize it? |
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| 17:26.57 | stew | foug: by running umount |
| 17:27.10 | Callahad | Could it be that the way the card is being unmounted isn't triggering it? Does SD need 'eject'? |
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| 17:27.22 | foug | stew: i usually just right click to unmount |
| 17:27.54 | stew | foug: check that it actually gets unmounted by running "mount" in a terminal to make sure it is no longer listed |
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| 17:28.04 | Callahad | brb |
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| 17:28.27 | foug | stew: so it'd be like, mount /media/whatever it's called, right? |
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| 17:28.47 | imanol00 | hello people |
| 17:28.52 | imanol00 | I need some help |
| 17:28.58 | _atula_ | hello. There are two kernels listed on my grub loader after I upgraded to 2.6.18-5 kernel. Everything seems to work out well now in the new kernel.. should I remove the old kernel? |
| 17:29.05 | imanol00 | about zd1211 module |
| 17:29.14 | imanol00 | does anybody know about it?????? |
| 17:29.19 | stew | foug: just type "mount" it will show you everything mounted. find it in there when you copy the files, then do what you were doing to unmount, then run "mount" again and make sure it's no longer there |
| 17:29.27 | foug | allright, thanks |
| 17:29.35 | _atula_ | I would like to remove the old kernel, if so, how do I do it? aptitude -remove linux image and headers? |
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| 17:30.24 | stew | !m-a imanol00 zd1211 |
| 17:30.24 | dpkg | imanol00: to compile and install zd1211 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i zd1211 && modprobe zd1211 ; if this works echo zd1211 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 17:30.49 | stew | _atula_: aptitude remove linux-image-$version linux-headers-$version |
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| 17:31.16 | cahoot | imanol00, zd1211rw is included in recent kernels |
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| 17:31.42 | imanol00 | oh yeah? |
| 17:31.46 | imanol00 | i thought it |
| 17:31.48 | imanol00 | but... |
| 17:31.56 | imanol00 | if i run lsmod |
| 17:32.00 | imanol00 | i cant see it |
| 17:32.10 | _atula_ | stew, oh there you are! Thanks again for earlier. Is it clean to remove the kernel? should I use the --purge option? |
| 17:32.12 | cahoot | tried modprobe? |
| 17:32.16 | imanol00 | with modules-assistant i think i have complied it |
| 17:32.20 | imanol00 | mmm |
| 17:32.22 | imanol00 | not sure |
| 17:32.35 | imanol00 | modprobe... which arguments? |
| 17:32.37 | mooper | can cups be used for usb printers? |
| 17:32.43 | imanol00 | modprobe zd1211rw |
| 17:32.45 | imanol00 | ? |
| 17:32.45 | cahoot | tried modprobe zd1211rw |
| 17:32.50 | S4nD3r | I didnt get to share cups printer to windows xp clients |
| 17:32.52 | cast | mooper: yes. |
| 17:33.02 | mooper | pretty much all of em right? |
| 17:33.13 | cast | nfi. |
| 17:33.49 | mooper | :) sorry silly question |
| 17:34.02 | stew | _atula_: sure, "aptitude purge" instead of "aptitude remove" |
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| 17:35.08 | _atula_ | stew, cool! thanks so much |
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| 17:36.07 | S4nD3r | how to share cups printer to use in windows client? |
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| 17:37.39 | helo | is there a way to run ldd that will just tell you if all dependencies are met or not? i could grep for not found, but... |
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| 17:38.09 | wols | S4nD3r: you've already been told |
| 17:38.30 | Eulex | helo, man ldd says no. |
| 17:38.38 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/425 |
| 17:38.46 | Eulex | helo, grep for not found. |
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| 17:40.51 | S4nD3r | tthanks |
| 17:40.54 | S4nD3r | i will see it |
| 17:42.18 | stiv2k | can someone tell me what ntos_wq/0 is (its in my `top`) ? |
| 17:42.19 | eimajenthat | Hello, I've got a bunch of machines that I need to get specs from (CPU, memory, video, etc.) in an efficient manner, preferably in such a way that I can save the data to a text file. I know I can get info about video cards and network cards with lspci. Are there any similar commands that will tell me about the CPU, hard drives, optical drives, and memory? |
| 17:42.26 | rhsanborn | Vista was written by Satan and manufacturers are dolts for not including OS and rescue discs with their products... |
| 17:42.42 | cast | /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:42.43 | rhsanborn | I borked my vista install trying to setup dual-boot |
| 17:42.56 | cast | /proc/meminfo, too |
| 17:43.06 | wols | eimajenthat: cat /proc/crypto |
| 17:43.08 | wols | eimajenthat: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:43.33 | \amethyst | stiv2k: I think it has to do with ndiswrapper |
| 17:43.54 | stiv2k | \amethyst: oh... i've never seen it at the top of `top` like that before |
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| 17:44.19 | \amethyst | eimajenthat: lshal maybe |
| 17:44.20 | stiv2k | btw speaking of ndiswrapper does anyone have it working fine under 2.6.23 ????? |
| 17:44.28 | stew | rhsanborn: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:44.35 | xand | eimajenthat: much information in dmesg |
| 17:44.36 | mrpouet | hi |
| 17:44.45 | eimajenthat | thanks much, those will definitely help to get me started |
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| 17:46.01 | cast | eimajenthat: /sys yields lots of information too, if its available |
| 17:46.26 | eimajenthat | cool cool |
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| 17:46.58 | rhsanborn | oh, and now, apparently the netinst disc for etch doesn't recognize my laptop's space bar! |
| 17:47.28 | cast | its a feature, it saves space |
| 17:47.43 | stew | rhsanborn: hit alt-f2 to get to a console. does the space bar work there? |
| 17:47.59 | rhsanborn | Indeed it does... |
| 17:48.16 | rhsanborn | the install instructions say to use the space bar to select modules (network) but it won't select them |
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| 17:48.26 | stew | rhsanborn: then i'm guessing that the spacebar works, its just that the spacebar doesn't do what you think it does |
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| 17:49.41 | juso | Hi, I am getting an error of "postfix cant connect to mysql through mysql.sock" I can connect from command line with same user/pass. Anyone know what else I can do to debug? |
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| 17:49.56 | abrotman | juso: postfix runs in a chroot by default IIRC |
| 17:50.05 | stew | juso: what path is postfix trying to use? |
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| 17:50.18 | stew | it does |
| 17:50.31 | stew | and mysql use mysqld.sock not mysql.sock by default |
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| 17:52.07 | danroj | http://danroj.obolog.com |
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| 17:52.44 | S4nD3r | \amethyst, that was perfect your tip |
| 17:53.45 | wols | danroj: spamming is a fast way to get unpopular |
| 17:54.04 | danroj | Wolfete, is my blog |
| 17:54.07 | danroj | in spanish |
| 17:54.21 | wols | it doesn't matter.you're still a spammer |
| 17:54.29 | S4nD3r | the article is complete! |
| 17:54.36 | S4nD3r | thanks so much for your help \amethyst |
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| 17:56.41 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: np, and good luck |
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| 17:57.36 | juso | abrotman, stew: yeah it is mysqld.sock, I just didn't type whole error out. |
| 17:58.00 | \amethyst | hmm... does anyone know where to find a manpage version of the Posix "Shell Command Language" section? |
| 17:58.06 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:58.51 | juso | stew: the path to my mysqld.sock? |
| 17:59.09 | abrotman | like /var/lib/mysqld.sock or whatever it is |
| 17:59.34 | stew | juso: the problem is that postfix is running chrooted and that socket doesn't exist in the chroot |
| 17:59.59 | stew | juso: you can either --bind mount the dir with the socket into a directory inside the chroot, or not run postfix chrooted |
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| 18:01.25 | Poseidon_desde_i | Hello |
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| 18:03.33 | juso | stew: got it.. seems that was teh issue, but if you put 127.0.0.1 instead of "localhost", which uses tcp |
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| 18:04.28 | juso | just googled, changed to 127.0.0.1 and works perfect, and my hosts file does have 127.0.0.1 as localhost.. |
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| 18:04.33 | juso | wierd but works it seems.. |
| 18:05.13 | \amethyst | juso: mysql uses a unix-domain socket rather than TCP if you use "localhost" as the hostname |
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| 18:05.35 | _atula_ | *sigh... Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize.... |
| 18:05.49 | stew | _atula_: wrong channel |
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| 18:06.32 | _atula_ | still... it just feel weird to hear such news |
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| 18:08.09 | \amethyst | _atomic: take a look at who won in 1973 |
| 18:08.17 | \amethyst | err, _atula_, but e's gone |
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| 18:10.59 | junkeR | hey where can I get info for some of the default program installed on the XFCE version of debian? |
| 18:12.09 | juso | \amethyst: ahh that makes sense, so that why.. |
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| 18:15.24 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:15.33 | spal | how can I change my GNome desktop theme in Debian? |
| 18:15.42 | spal | It is all so gray. I want to make it look dark |
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| 18:16.40 | hex32bitclean | hello, http://www.oxxus.net/help/start-contributing-notyetoss-sonic-hedgehog/index.php is posting public transcripts of chats here in order to get more traffic to their ads!!! |
| 18:16.46 | sam_home | I created a package list on system a) with dpkg --get-selections >list_packages.txt, i am trying to install the list on system b) with dpkg --set-selections <list_packages.txt |
| 18:16.46 | sam_home | apt-get update |
| 18:16.46 | sam_home | apt-get upgrade. It does not work. What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:16.53 | hex32bitclean | you may want to legally pursue the matter... |
| 18:17.18 | sepski | sam_home, dselect install ? |
| 18:17.22 | dalias | hex32bitclean, just report the abuse to google |
| 18:17.32 | dalias | google will probably delist them entirely |
| 18:17.36 | dalias | and they'll be fucked |
| 18:17.45 | hex32bitclean | true |
| 18:18.06 | simonrvn | sam_home: use aptitude |
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| 18:20.02 | rhsanborn | Is anyone here intimately familiar with the install process? |
| 18:20.02 | DigDugz | Thusley odd with how little respect you can get for coding stew ;) |
| 18:20.14 | rhsanborn | I'm trying to install a newly downloaded, netinstall version of etch |
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| 18:20.32 | rhsanborn | It doesn't auto-recognize my network card, and sends me to a list to select it |
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| 18:20.48 | stew | DigDugz: magnus? |
| 18:21.12 | rhsanborn | The list has my wireless card on it Broadcom 43XX |
| 18:21.47 | wols | rhsanborn: that won't work without a broadcom firmware |
| 18:22.05 | DigDugz | stew: lets say, low profile. Magnus almost never visits (3 times a year maybe) |
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| 18:22.28 | rhsanborn | ick, the realtek, ethernet card isn't on the list, or auto recognized |
| 18:22.34 | Downix | compiling kernel sloooooooowwwwww |
| 18:22.41 | wols | rhsanborn: which realtek exactly? |
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| 18:23.29 | rhsanborn | Don't know, I even called HP and the best they could tell me was it was a 10/100, realtek ethernet card (laptop) |
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| 18:23.58 | simonrvn | stew: mind if i /msg you? |
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| 18:24.02 | wols | lspci can tell you |
| 18:24.16 | wols | rhsanborn: go to 2nd console and try ifconfig -a |
| 18:24.22 | wols | chances are, the driver is already loaded for it |
| 18:24.33 | rhsanborn | wols, they are liars, it's an invidia network card |
| 18:24.36 | snacky | hello alexander klingenstein! |
| 18:24.39 | cr3 | if I have FOO="/tmp" and i="FOO", how can I interpolate twice "i" so that I get the directory? ie, [ -d "$$i" ]? |
| 18:24.44 | rhsanborn | says no ethernet card detected |
| 18:25.20 | wols | if it's nvidia, forcedeth will work fine |
| 18:25.41 | wols | snacky: huh? |
| 18:25.54 | snacky | wols: I love you |
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| 18:26.12 | stickybit` | cr3: you can use eval |
| 18:26.15 | wols | do you have a debian question? |
| 18:26.22 | abrotman | stew: who was that? |
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| 18:26.32 | ompaul | rhsanborn, lshw | less then /eth and have a poke around if you have it on a disk, if not download the package and dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 18:26.40 | cr3 | stickybit`: I'm trying but not sure how to pull it off: [ -d `eval "\$$i"` ]? |
| 18:26.53 | rhsanborn | I don't have deb installed yet |
| 18:27.01 | rhsanborn | so, no dpkg |
| 18:27.38 | rhsanborn | wols, thats prob 2. |
| 18:27.43 | rhsanborn | I see nforcedeth |
| 18:28.09 | rhsanborn | Spacebar supposedly selects the item, except, spacebar does nothing on this menu |
| 18:28.15 | rhsanborn | so I can't select a driver |
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| 18:29.09 | stickybit` | cr3: let me check |
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| 18:29.53 | cr3 | stickybit`: eval d=\$$i; [ -d $d ] works |
| 18:30.02 | rhsanborn | So it asks me to select a network card, but won't let me select one, and without selecting a network card, I can't continue on with a net install |
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| 18:30.39 | Downix | which network card do you have? |
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| 18:30.51 | \amethyst | cr3: is this bash? |
| 18:30.54 | stickybit` | cr3: ok... you can try #bash |
| 18:30.59 | rhsanborn | apparently an nforce card on an nvidia mobo |
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| 18:31.49 | cr3 | stickybit`: yeah, that would've been more appropriate |
| 18:32.01 | radius | can i force an ATI x550 PCIX card to give me 1920x1200 rez instead of 1680x ? using lenny |
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| 18:32.41 | stickybit` | cr3: foo="/tmp" and i="foo" then eval \$$i works |
| 18:33.01 | Downix | rhsanborn, One moment |
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| 18:33.31 | \amethyst | cr3: ${!i} |
| 18:33.37 | rhsanborn | Downix, thanks |
| 18:34.30 | cr3 | \amethyst: cool! thanks man |
| 18:34.33 | Downix | rhsanborn, Ok, the onboard NIC is a custom driver from nVidia direct, not included with the install disks. You'll have to download the module and install it yourself |
| 18:34.51 | wols | Downix: in what year do you live? |
| 18:34.59 | Downix | rhsanborn, I might recommend picking up a 2nd hand DEC Tulip or 3Com |
| 18:35.11 | Downix | wols: Just using a google search. |
| 18:35.12 | wols | Downix: forcedeth exists since early 2.6 |
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| 18:35.37 | Downix | wols: I don't run debian on a PC, so I don't pay attention to pc chipset support much |
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| 18:35.47 | Downix | just googled it |
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| 18:36.02 | eimajentha1 | ping |
| 18:36.11 | wols | rhsanborn: why can't you use forcedeth? |
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| 18:37.03 | eimajentha1 | What's a good command to find out my hard drives' size, manufacturer, model, speed and other useful information like that? |
| 18:37.17 | valdyn | eimajentha1: hdparm |
| 18:37.26 | rhsanborn | wols, on the install menu, it tries to detect the network card, and fails, and then gives me a list to select my network card |
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| 18:38.05 | rhsanborn | wols, I scroll to forcedeth, and the only button is <Go Back>, and it never installs the forcedeth module |
| 18:38.14 | rnn | someone has played counter strike 1.6 on debian? |
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| 18:41.10 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i can't get my mail to work.. i use courier-imap and exim4, can anyone please help me? the configuration files together with the /etc/hosts is here: http://dpaste.com/hold/22280/ |
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| 18:42.06 | rhsanborn | Does anyone have any idea why it wouldn't allow me to select the network card on the network card select screen for purposes of net install?? |
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| 18:44.46 | abrotman | petemc: fyi .. i strongly dislike dell :) |
| 18:45.07 | abrotman | rhsanborn: no driver perhaps |
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| 18:45.38 | rhsanborn | abrotman, so negative... :P |
| 18:45.39 | simonrvn | they get such mixed reactions |
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| 18:46.22 | rhsanborn | I really loathe the idea of having to download the full install |
| 18:46.59 | snacky | what's so bad about dell? |
| 18:47.14 | Ronin | snacky: oh where to start |
| 18:47.23 | cast | rhsanborn: base install, i imagine you mean, just use the netinst for that. its not very big |
| 18:47.32 | Downix | Ooo, dissing Dell? Can I chime in? |
| 18:47.38 | valdyn | snacky: low price -> low quality |
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| 18:47.45 | rahul | snacky: the fact that their tech support insults people who use linux? |
| 18:48.09 | cast | rahul: oh, do you have an quote of an insult? :) |
| 18:48.10 | rhsanborn | I dont EVER tell tech support that I'm using linux |
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| 18:48.38 | Downix | My issue with Dell is that they have serious issues on their laptops. Their power control system is very flimsy, and prone to failure. |
| 18:48.39 | snacky | possible stupid question - you guys aren't talking about their desktop or laptop product lines, right? |
| 18:48.46 | nuxis | Hey guys I installed debian nice and so on... but now when I restart the computer there is no screen and I can't switch to any run level just black |
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| 18:49.15 | rha_1 | hello everybody |
| 18:49.29 | nuxis | someone got the same problem? |
| 18:49.47 | nuxis | When I start it on single user I can acces the computer ... |
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| 18:50.04 | Downix | nuxis: Is X set up and are you trying to run at runlevel 5? |
| 18:50.25 | nuxis | Downix: it just start and gdm starting ... nothing also changing run level doesn't give anything |
| 18:50.33 | nuxis | Downix: X is set up nice |
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| 18:50.53 | Downix | nuxis: so you get nothing on the framebuffer, not even the kernel information? |
| 18:51.08 | nuxis | nope nothing it just start and then blank screen (black) |
| 18:51.13 | rhsanborn | Is there a relatively small install disc with just the basic components (kernel, apt, maybe gnome or KDE) so that I can install, and then find the right drivers and add them in |
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| 18:51.30 | nuxis | rhsanborn: net install only base installµ |
| 18:51.30 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 18:51.43 | Haris | How do I get rid of the -- MARK -- message in syslog? |
| 18:52.09 | Haris | I was to add -m 0 somewhere, which I did |
| 18:52.10 | cast | lmao @ including maybe gnome or KDE in 'just the the basic components' |
| 18:52.21 | Haris | but it hasn't gotton rid of these messages |
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| 18:52.46 | cast | Haris: did you restart/tell to reload conf file of whatever it was that was supposed to read the -m 0 change you made? |
| 18:52.54 | nuxis | Downix: let me test some stuff (I'm now on the Single-User kernel" and that is working fine |
| 18:53.18 | simonrvn | there is no "single-user kernel" |
| 18:53.21 | nuxis | Downix: however it is very weird because I can't access any run level screen just keeps black |
| 18:53.23 | Haris | cast: Yes, I think so |
| 18:53.30 | nuxis | simonrvn: second kernel or whatever |
| 18:53.34 | bluequijote | someone knows a good application for POS and accounting? |
| 18:53.34 | Downix | very odd |
| 18:53.36 | Haris | I just restarted sysklogd |
| 18:53.49 | nuxis | Could it be the graphic driver? |
| 18:53.55 | Haris | I'll get to know in 20mins. if it worked |
| 18:53.59 | Haris | It hasn't afaict |
| 18:54.00 | nuxis | it is set to nv should I set it to vesa? |
| 18:54.06 | Downix | possible |
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| 18:54.36 | nuxis | Downix: ok I try that back in a few minutes (btw the computer is from my father he wants to get rid of windows :D) |
| 18:54.37 | eimajentha1 | bluequijote: I was reading about something called LedgerSMB, I think. Full blown accounting package, with POS functionality. I haven't used it personally |
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| 18:54.48 | Downix | k |
| 18:55.26 | bluequijote | thank you eimajentha1 |
| 18:55.34 | simonrvn | nuxis: yes do vesa first |
| 18:55.52 | simonrvn | !pos |
| 18:55.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, pos is defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 18:55.53 | Haris | on etch, whenever I restart exim4, all my changes to /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated are gone |
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| 18:56.15 | Haris | Is there a way to stop this? |
| 18:56.17 | Petrov | grr i can't install debian on my new computer :( |
| 18:56.27 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i can't get my mail to work.. i use courier-imap and exim4, can anyone please help me? the configuration files together with the /etc/hosts is here: http://dpaste.com/hold/22280/ |
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| 18:57.37 | rumpl | Where's the page that explains how to create .deb files? |
| 18:57.38 | nuxis | it doesn't work |
| 18:57.42 | Haris | this is quite annoying |
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| 18:57.55 | nuxis | still the same except the screen "flickers" for a seconde |
| 18:58.03 | Kreml | StewFoo - Do you wish to engage at this time ? or let developers be apart of what is called Debian ? |
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| 18:58.30 | nuxis | default depth is set to 16 by the way |
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| 18:59.25 | Haris | I didn't understand his english to the full |
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| 18:59.32 | Haris | his words+ |
| 18:59.33 | simonrvn | nuxis: is this xorg? |
| 18:59.38 | nuxis | simonrvn: yes |
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| 19:00.22 | abrotman | !tell rumpl about mg |
| 19:00.24 | abrotman | !tell rumpl about nm |
| 19:00.34 | abrotman | erm .. ignore the nm stuff .. duh me |
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| 19:01.07 | maker | hi , can i install gimp 2.4 on my debian lenny? is there a .deb or tuto to compile it? thanks a lot! |
| 19:01.11 | Saar | any idea what might fix this error? unable to open files list file for package `libtext-wrapi18n-perl': Structure needs cleaning |
| 19:01.13 | nuxis | So anyone got an idea maybe I can set the default depth to 24? |
| 19:01.27 | simonrvn | nuxis: start with 24, vesa; also, did you specify anything like the refresh or sync or something? |
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| 19:01.42 | nuxis | simonrvn: nope it is just the config the installer made |
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| 19:01.52 | nuxis | I will set the depth to 24 sec |
| 19:02.02 | cast | Haris: did you read the header in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated? filename slightly gives it away too |
| 19:02.02 | simonrvn | nuxis: ok, so try reconfing it |
| 19:02.04 | rumpl | Thanks |
| 19:02.07 | simonrvn | !drxx nuxis |
| 19:02.07 | dpkg | nuxis: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | maker: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. or wait awhile til it goes into lenny naturally |
| 19:02.28 | Haris | cast: hmm.. which part? |
| 19:02.38 | Haris | Its full of macros |
| 19:02.43 | maker | thanks abrotman |
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| 19:03.04 | Haris | I'm alergic to macros |
| 19:03.08 | cast | Haris: http://rafb.net/p/1bIT4d26.txt that part |
| 19:03.11 | Haris | j/k |
| 19:03.28 | rhsanborn | Woot, it gets better! GRUB install failed miserably |
| 19:03.52 | nuxis | simonrvn: ok I will do that for now |
| 19:03.55 | Haris | cast: lol. Well, it doesn't say this file will be over-written EVERYTIME exim restarts |
| 19:04.02 | Haris | anyway |
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| 19:04.45 | Haris | I can't customize the config, if its configured to be over-written everytime the service is restarted |
| 19:04.47 | cast | Haris: in order to changes to exims conf to take effect it would require regeneration of the file |
| 19:04.49 | tempboy | quick ?, what user does mysql run as ? |
| 19:04.51 | tempboy | mysql? |
| 19:05.05 | cast | Haris: so why don't you customize the config correctly, in /etc? |
| 19:05.07 | simonrvn | !hurry |
| 19:05.07 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 19:05.12 | Haris | ok, so you mean, I should modify the template, rather than the auto-generated config file? |
| 19:05.35 | simonrvn | Haris: uh, yeh |
| 19:06.52 | rhsanborn | Do most, or any, bootable discs contain the 'grub-install' command? |
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| 19:07.19 | JayFour | Can someone here tell me how to use apt to download the source for a package? I can't seem to figure out the source for package gtkglext1-dev, although I am a bit new to apt |
| 19:07.24 | juso | Hey, is there a way I can get an older version os a package? looking to get dovecot 0.99 and not 1.00, anyone? |
| 19:07.37 | xand | tempboy: ask ps |
| 19:07.37 | juso | version of* |
| 19:07.40 | stew | JayFour: apt-get source gtkglext1-dev |
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| 19:08.03 | deadchip | can i somehow search for package contents with dpkg or apt? |
| 19:08.11 | deadchip | i need to find the package which provides a specific file |
| 19:08.19 | xand | dpkg -S |
| 19:08.21 | stew | deadchip: for a package that has been installed or not? |
| 19:08.28 | deadchip | stew: not installed |
| 19:08.35 | xand | oh, not that then |
| 19:08.45 | stew | deadchip: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:09.03 | JayFour | I tried that command (apt-get source gtkglext1-dev) but what I got was this: "unable to find a source package for gtkglext1-dev" |
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| 19:09.13 | juso | Is there a way I can get an older version of a package? looking to get dovecot 0.99 and not 1.00 which apt gives me, anyone? |
| 19:09.23 | dondelelcaro | juso: snapshots.debian.net |
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| 19:10.01 | \amethyst | juso: snapshot.debian.net no plural |
| 19:10.09 | juso | thanks.. |
| 19:10.18 | stew | JayFour: can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:11.01 | deadchip | thanks |
| 19:11.03 | deadchip | i found it! |
| 19:11.05 | juso | snapshot.debian.net doesn't load =( |
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| 19:11.55 | JayFour | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 19:11.55 | JayFour | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 19:11.55 | JayFour | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 19:12.14 | JayFour | whoops |
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| 19:13.43 | abrotman | juso: works here |
| 19:13.54 | stew | JayFour: dont' know why it's nt finding it then. have you run "apt-get update" ? |
| 19:14.01 | stew | JayFour: does "apt-get source gtkglext" work? |
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| 19:15.16 | HardDisk_WP | What program shall I choose to get my battery status in KDE taskbar? I knew this is a KDE component, but which one? |
| 19:15.27 | JayFour | Yes I ran update |
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| 19:15.51 | JayFour | The funny thing is that I can get other packages, for example gtlglarea5 works. |
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| 19:16.21 | Tr0gd0r | how can i get the killall command on debian |
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| 19:16.26 | Tr0gd0r | apt-get install killall didnt work |
| 19:16.33 | abrotman | Tr0gd0r: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:16.36 | nuxis | Mhh |
| 19:16.52 | nuxis | I reconfigerd it and then I get an eror while restarting gdm |
| 19:16.53 | akuehntopf | anyone here have gtk programming experience? :) |
| 19:17.02 | nuxis | something about the frame buffer |
| 19:17.04 | roxy_ | why is the channel limited to 830 users ? is it for user convenience (easier to read) or server limitation. |
| 19:17.04 | juso | Is there a way I can get an older version of a package? looking to get dovecot 0.99 and not 1.00 which apt gives me, anyone? |
| 19:17.09 | sakitram | hi, how to recovered MBR (I had not back up any MBR record yet)? Is it possible? |
| 19:17.13 | nuxis | so I disabled the frame buffer and now I got the same error |
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| 19:17.30 | JayFour | I have little gtk experience |
| 19:17.33 | nuxis | error = black screen |
| 19:17.38 | sakitram | Can I get my hard disk partition available again |
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| 19:17.55 | sakitram | because, using fdisk utility I deleted a partition (/dev/hda5 - unnecessary partition), and then I written the changes to using "w" command in fdisk. But since then I could not get anything available, when I check with Knoppix disk, my /dev/hda is unpartitioned. |
| 19:18.05 | pandrew | hey guys! how can i have a software glx extension working with either the vesa or the savage driver? |
| 19:18.08 | nuxis | but I will get it fixed tnx guys |
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| 19:18.16 | sakitram | I checked with Knoppix live disk. |
| 19:18.25 | sakitram | My OS in my hard disk is Debian. |
| 19:18.26 | JayFour | Right now I have a problem with it though :) I have a source file that works on win32 but not debian/AMD64, if you can believe it. |
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| 19:19.15 | sakitram | somebody help? |
| 19:19.29 | tempboy | any comedi users in here? |
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| 19:19.38 | valdyn | roxy_: that's just join flood protection |
| 19:19.43 | Tr0gd0r | abrotman debian:/home/shall# dpkg search killall |
| 19:19.43 | Tr0gd0r | dpkg: need an action option |
| 19:20.00 | valdyn | roxy_: limit is raised as more people join |
| 19:20.14 | roxy_ | valdyn: thanks for the info. |
| 19:20.16 | JayFour | Try apt-cache search killall, that is what I use |
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| 19:22.09 | rhsanborn | Alright, I've managed to install the very basic install of debian from the netinst disc without any network connections, and consequently, no fluff applications |
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| 19:23.07 | rhsanborn | Any idea how I get the proper driver for my network card onto the laptop to start installing all the extra software? |
| 19:23.26 | abrotman | Tr0gd0r: psmisc package |
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| 19:24.21 | pandrew | sakitram: have you tryed "gpart"? |
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| 19:25.01 | pandrew | sakitram: when i used it the last time it could only do primary partitions, so be careful. |
| 19:25.14 | sakitram | pandrew: how to recover MBR without having backup of MBR? |
| 19:25.21 | pandrew | sakitram: if you don't know what you are doing then you could do even more damage... |
| 19:25.43 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I agree |
| 19:25.43 | pandrew | sakitram: this gpart is looking for partitions on the disk |
| 19:26.00 | pandrew | and when it finds a partition, it reports it to you |
| 19:26.34 | sakitram | pandrew: great |
| 19:26.49 | sakitram | pandrew: I tried the command: gpart /dev/hdaa |
| 19:27.04 | JayFour | Stew, thanks for your help, I think the answer may be that you omit the -dev from the package name when downloading from source. |
| 19:27.08 | sakitram | pandrew: then I got to see all the partition which was previously had, been listed |
| 19:27.16 | JayFour | You are a prince :) |
| 19:27.19 | sakitram | pandrew: now please tell me how to recover them |
| 19:27.40 | vnWrK | found the answer to an annoying problem |
| 19:27.42 | sakitram | pandrew: or atlest tell me how to mount them |
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| 19:28.01 | sakitram | pandrew: if there is any pastebin, please let me know, then I shall show you the result |
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| 19:28.46 | pandrew | sakitram: sure, you can show it to me |
| 19:28.47 | sakitram | pandrew: in the gpart scan, I get all the partition listed as "primary partition" I do not understand this |
| 19:29.05 | sakitram | pandrew: pastebin address please |
| 19:29.09 | pandrew | sakitram: yes, as i said gpart can not create logical partitions for some reason |
| 19:29.13 | pandrew | pastebin.com |
| 19:29.20 | synx | I solved a bug, and I can see the report on bugs.debian.org... um... how do I submit the patch? |
| 19:29.35 | synx | Just mail it to that bug address? |
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| 19:29.39 | stew | JayFour: well, the apt-get should be able to figure that out for you. "apt-cache show foopackage-dev | grep Source" will tell you the name of the source package |
| 19:29.39 | dondelelcaro | synx: yes |
| 19:29.51 | dondelelcaro | synx: you can also tag the bug as patched if you've tested the patch |
| 19:29.58 | synx | Okay thanks. :) |
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| 19:30.20 | synx | How would I tag a bug? |
| 19:30.27 | pandrew | sakitram: so you will probably have to restore them one by one, and backup the data from the old logical partitions to the primary partitions..., and then delete and recreate those partitions |
| 19:31.04 | sakitram | pandrew: http://pastebin.com/m20854a1b |
| 19:31.29 | dondelelcaro | synx: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
| 19:31.48 | sakitram | pandrew: please help me throught these things, please ............. |
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| 19:32.16 | synx | thanks again. |
| 19:32.16 | pandrew | sakitram: which one of these partitions was logical? |
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| 19:33.11 | dondelelcaro | !debian mantra |
| 19:33.11 | dpkg | from memory, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 19:33.13 | sakitram | pandrew: I think it is 4 |
| 19:33.17 | wols | !tell Heavy-D about grounding |
| 19:33.24 | JayFour | Ok, I see, I am learning here. I really appriciate it! apt-cache show libgtkglext1-dev shows some output, but grepping for "Source" shows nothing, so there is no source line, perhaps that is why apt can't figure it out. |
| 19:33.30 | sakitram | pandrew: linux ext2 filesystem |
| 19:34.03 | pandrew | sakitram: what was the size of the partition you deleted? |
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| 19:34.39 | sakitram | pandrew: it is nearly 3GB |
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| 19:35.09 | dondelelcaro | JayFour: apt-cache showsrc libgtkglext1-dev; FE |
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| 19:35.25 | KnickLighter | ellllllo |
| 19:35.27 | pandrew | sakitram: what was it's type? ext2? fat32? |
| 19:35.34 | nuxis | hey, I found out what the card is from that computer: GeForce 6150 GO and it's supported by nv and fglx |
| 19:35.38 | sakitram | ext2 or ext3 |
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| 19:35.47 | nuxis | but nv fails so I think I should install the fglx driver? |
| 19:36.36 | KnickLighter | Guyz, I setted up a VPN server. I can connect to in, login and i can register on the network.. i get the message that it's successfully connected. The only thing is that i can send packets to it, but i don't receive any.. so I can't connect to a server or something. |
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| 19:37.26 | JayFour | Really getting an education today, thanks dondelecaro :) |
| 19:37.30 | pandrew | sakitram: how big is your hard drive? |
| 19:38.01 | sakitram | pandrew: it is 15 GB hard disk |
| 19:38.28 | stew | that's odd, why wouldn't "apt-cache show libgtkglext1-dev" have a Source: entry? |
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| 19:38.49 | dondelelcaro | well, it does here, actually |
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| 19:39.03 | pandrew | sakitram: do you recognize all your partitions? are you sure that the partition you wanted to delete isn't partition #2? |
| 19:39.09 | stew | here to, bot not for him, which presumably is why "apt-get source" was failing |
| 19:39.13 | dondelelcaro | !+source libgtkglext1-dev |
| 19:39.21 | dondelelcaro | oh, must not have a deb-src line? |
| 19:39.25 | stew | he does |
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| 19:39.38 | dondelelcaro | dunno, then |
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| 19:39.48 | stew | "apt-get source libgtkglext1" worked for him but not with -dev |
| 19:39.50 | sakitram | pandrew:actually, I deleted a parition /dev/hda5 (but there was /dev/hda6, /dev/hda7 also when I delete), |
| 19:40.02 | HardDisk_WP | does a Intel T7250 CPU have SSE3? |
| 19:40.09 | sakitram | pandrew: then once I deleted, I wrote to disk and quited the fdisk |
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| 19:40.22 | wols | HardDisk_WP: yes |
| 19:40.25 | sakitram | pandrew: and again to check, I entered into fdisk /dev/hda/ and see that |
| 19:40.31 | oz_ | hola |
| 19:40.44 | sakitram | pandrew: /dev/hda6 become /dev/hda5, and similarly /dev/hda7 become /dev/hda6 |
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| 19:41.06 | sakitram | pandrew: then I thought it can cause problem |
| 19:41.12 | oz_ | I have a problem with WORDPRESS. I can see it istalled on my computer. However trying to access it from another host doesnt work ? |
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| 19:41.27 | JayFour | The package is a bit old and probably unmaintined. |
| 19:41.29 | KnickLighter | hm |
| 19:41.31 | sakitram | pandrew: but did not do anything, just restarted the system to check everything working fine. then system booted successfully |
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| 19:41.50 | streuner | What's the reason why #debian-ops is only for invited people, are the OPs now an elitar club? |
| 19:41.51 | sakitram | pandrew: but there was a question arised (unusually) while booting |
| 19:42.02 | LightKnight | !doesntwork |
| 19:42.13 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 19:42.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:42.21 | LightKnight | :-) |
| 19:42.23 | LightKnight | Thx :-) |
| 19:42.25 | sakitram | pandrew: then I thought it could be the problem of the device index changes, so I just edited the FSTAB |
| 19:42.30 | KnickLighter | http://pastebin.ca/734502 <-- I don't know what's wrong about it |
| 19:42.34 | nuxis | any manual to install nvidia-glx on the debian way? |
| 19:42.51 | HardDisk_WP | wols, good :) I was worried because cat /proc/cpuinfo didnt mention sse3 |
| 19:42.54 | streuner | yes, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian |
| 19:42.54 | sakitram | pandrew: there /dev/hda7 is referensed to swap, I just changed it to /dev/hda6. That is all. |
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| 19:43.00 | sakitram | pandrew: since then no booting. |
| 19:43.06 | HardDisk_WP | i planned to dualboot debian nad cracked mac os x on it |
| 19:43.17 | pandrew | sakitram: are you talking from a knoppix cd now? |
| 19:43.20 | sakitram | pandrew: and when I see through Knoppix live cd, my /dev/hda parition does not have any hard disk. |
| 19:43.27 | sakitram | pandrew: no, |
| 19:43.31 | nuxis | streuner: tnx |
| 19:43.32 | sakitram | pandrew: it is Debian |
| 19:43.40 | streuner | nuxis: np |
| 19:43.44 | sakitram | pandrew: I do not have any other Live disk than Knoppix. |
| 19:43.49 | pandrew | sakitram: a different computer? |
| 19:43.58 | sakitram | pandrew: my hard disk operation system has Debian etchy. |
| 19:44.00 | nuxis | streuner: nothing there O_o |
| 19:44.05 | sakitram | pandrew: no, same computer. |
| 19:44.23 | sakitram | pandrew: at present I chat with you using Live CD. |
| 19:44.29 | pandrew | sakitram: what is the exact error message fdisk gives now? |
| 19:44.36 | nuxis | streuner: found something I will try that |
| 19:44.47 | streuner | nuxis: you need to install nvidia-glx first :-) |
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| 19:45.04 | nuxis | streuner: yea :p |
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| 19:45.13 | nuxis | cya off for a second |
| 19:45.18 | sakitram | pandrew: when I enter "fdisk /dev/hda" I get the following result |
| 19:45.21 | sakitram | The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 29805. |
| 19:45.22 | sakitram | There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, |
| 19:45.22 | sakitram | and could in certain setups cause problems with: |
| 19:45.44 | sakitram | they are just first 3 lines, but I do not get any parition liested below too. |
| 19:46.25 | sakitram | there when I type "v" to verify partition, I get "30043439 unallocated sectors". |
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| 19:46.58 | pandrew | sakitram: so what was your root partition called? |
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| 19:47.42 | sakitram | pandrew: it should be /dev/hda6 |
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| 19:48.16 | pandrew | sakitram: are you sure it wasn't /dev/hda7? and /dev/hda6 the swap? |
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| 19:48.51 | pandrew | sakitram: i'm asking because gpart lists them in this order |
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| 19:49.04 | sakitram | pandrew: I am sorry, I am not sure. |
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| 19:49.24 | sakitram | pandrew: it can be so, but 6 and 7 both are belongs to my Last Debian linux. |
| 19:49.35 | streuner | Why is #debian-ops invited only, are the debian OPs now elitist? |
| 19:49.43 | sylvantis | hello, how can i play an audiocd with xmms? |
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| 19:49.54 | pandrew | what partitions did you have under 5? |
| 19:50.08 | streuner | sylvantis: you need to connect your CDROM with your soundcard |
| 19:50.12 | cahoot | sylvantis, make it use cdda? |
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| 19:50.23 | pandrew | was it hda1 for windows, and hda2 the extended? |
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| 19:50.39 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, it is partition (4), so it should be /dev/hda7 |
| 19:50.40 | sylvantis | streuner: uhh, how do you mean exactly? how do i do that? |
| 19:50.54 | streuner | sylvantis: via cable? :-) |
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| 19:51.09 | pandrew | sakitram: is it a problem for you if these partitions are restored as primary? |
| 19:51.15 | sakitram | pandrew: I say this by checking the size of the Debian hard disk (root partition), as I allocated 7GB space. |
| 19:51.21 | streuner | sylvantis: if its already connected, just install the plugin for xmms |
| 19:51.23 | cahoot | sylvantis, err xmms-cdread (IIRC) |
| 19:51.24 | sylvantis | cahoot: cdda is some kind of package? |
| 19:51.35 | streuner | !info cdda |
| 19:51.37 | sakitram | pandrew: no problem, I just only want my Linux to get back |
| 19:51.57 | sakitram | pandrew: or atleast need some files to be stored into another location that is all. |
| 19:52.00 | streuner | !cdda |
| 19:52.00 | dpkg | i guess cdda is cd digital audio. |
| 19:52.02 | pandrew | sakitram: then do this: gpart -W /dev/sda /dev/sda |
| 19:52.04 | streuner | fuck |
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| 19:52.30 | sylvantis | hmm ok thnx :) |
| 19:52.34 | streuner | sylvantis: there are small packages for cd playing |
| 19:52.36 | pandrew | sakitram: and after that you will need to change fstab, and Grub or lilo (whichever you use) |
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| 19:52.41 | sakitram | pandrew: sorry, there is a SCSI hard disk in my system, and it is called /dev/sda, and it is mounted at /dev/sda1 |
| 19:52.52 | sakitram | pandrew: may I execute that command? |
| 19:52.53 | streuner | sylvantis: just try "apt-cache search cd player" or such |
| 19:52.59 | pandrew | sakitram: soory |
| 19:53.00 | pandrew | don'y |
| 19:53.02 | pandrew | don't |
| 19:53.02 | sakitram | pandrew: or I change it? |
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| 19:53.14 | sakitram | pandrew: to /dev/sdb? |
| 19:53.15 | Deepa | how long until I can login again? |
| 19:53.15 | pandrew | sakitram: i mistyped it |
| 19:53.19 | peterS | abrotman: re-pong |
| 19:53.34 | pandrew | sakitram: isn't your harddisk called /dev/hda? |
| 19:53.40 | sakitram | pandrew: yes |
| 19:53.49 | pandrew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.58 | sakitram | 1min |
| 19:54.00 | pandrew | sakitram: gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda |
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| 19:54.01 | sylvantis | streuner: yes i installed the xmms-cdread, but i still can't seem to find an option in the xmms to play an audiocd |
| 19:54.11 | pandrew | sakitram: then paste the complete output on pastebin |
| 19:54.13 | streuner | look harder |
| 19:54.19 | sylvantis | streuner: and amarok makes this computer crash (pentium 3) |
| 19:54.19 | sakitram | pandre: sure |
| 19:54.35 | Deepa | sakitram, was that minute directed towards me? |
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| 19:55.02 | sakitram | pandrew: I got a prompt. Question is "Edit this table (y,n)" what to do? |
| 19:55.12 | pandrew | sakitram: n |
| 19:55.19 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.21 | sakitram | Deepa: no |
| 19:55.27 | Deepa | ack :/ |
| 19:55.56 | sakitram | pandrew: Another question: "Activate which parition (1..4, q to quit): "? |
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| 19:56.24 | yigal | sakitram: are you using fdisk? |
| 19:56.29 | pandrew | sakitram: i think it should be 1 |
| 19:56.35 | sakitram | yigal: no, gpart |
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| 19:56.37 | protoloco | Hello i dont know why.. doin- #/usr/bin/scp test.tar.gz root@website.com:/root/backup WORKS.. |
| 19:56.55 | protoloco | but with a scrip that launchs the cron service.. doesnt works.. the script is.. the same.. |
| 19:57.15 | protoloco | the authentification is with keys.. |
| 19:57.18 | protoloco | manually works the key.. |
| 19:57.29 | protoloco | but with the cronjob.. doesnt works the key. |
| 19:57.34 | pandrew | protoloco: do you run it as different users? |
| 19:57.35 | sakitram | pandrew: another question "Write this partition table (y,n)"? |
| 19:57.40 | pandrew | sakitram: y |
| 19:57.51 | yigal | protoloco: protoloco: you answered your own question |
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| 19:57.58 | streuner | dondelelcaro: why is #debian-ops only invited? Who have this great idea? :-) |
| 19:58.07 | sakitram | pandrew: acknowledged "* Warning: partition table written, you should reboot now."? |
| 19:58.17 | sakitram | pandrew: may I reboot? |
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| 19:58.26 | pandrew | sakitram: you don't need to |
| 19:58.37 | sakitram | pandrew: ok |
| 19:58.39 | protoloco | pandrew, no.. as a root.. |
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| 19:58.46 | yigal | protoloco: it appears you must use the "-i" flag using scp |
| 19:58.55 | yigal | protoloco: for a cron job |
| 19:58.59 | protoloco | oh.. |
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| 19:59.03 | dondelelcaro | streuner: because having people join to complain gets in the way |
| 19:59.13 | protoloco | yigal, what means the -i ? |
| 19:59.16 | pandrew | sakitram: open up the harddisk with fdisk |
| 19:59.21 | pandrew | don't modify anything |
| 19:59.23 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.27 | pandrew | then write it back |
| 19:59.40 | the_lalelu | protoloco: identity |
| 19:59.41 | sakitram | pandrew: Great, I see all thos partitions listed |
| 19:59.47 | pandrew | sakitram: this should force the kernel to reread the partition table |
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| 19:59.59 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I see that |
| 20:00.11 | gkiagia | yigal: start "emerald" too |
| 20:00.19 | sakitram | pandrew: now what to do, may I try mouting them and check files are available |
| 20:00.19 | sakitram | ? |
| 20:00.23 | yigal | gkiagia: where can I get emerald from? |
| 20:00.26 | pandrew | sakitram: exactly |
| 20:00.33 | sakitram | pandrew: 1 min. |
| 20:00.58 | yigal | gkiagia: the last time I used compiz was with Beryl in Ubuntu about a year ago, but I am using Debian now :) |
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| 20:01.12 | streuner | dondelelcaro: they surely find other ways, its good they come to you first... |
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| 20:01.32 | thisiz | guys, where can i download americas army for linux? |
| 20:01.34 | yigal | !compiz |
| 20:01.34 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 20:02.08 | pandrew | protoloco: i don't know what you are doing, but you probably have to create the key for root, to make it work |
| 20:02.17 | dondelelcaro | streuner: see the topic |
| 20:02.19 | abrotman | peterS: it was from this AM .. no big deal .. it was a wide ban |
| 20:02.21 | pandrew | protoloco: and not for any user |
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| 20:02.42 | peterS | abrotman: ko |
| 20:02.43 | peterS | ok |
| 20:02.45 | sakitram | pandrew: I see, billions of thanks to you.. |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:02.55 | sakitram | pandrew: I read all those files. |
| 20:02.56 | pandrew | sakitram: you still are not done |
| 20:03.00 | \amethyst | thisiz: google suggests http://www.linuxhardware.org/icculus-mirror/americasarmy250-linux.zip |
| 20:03.04 | pandrew | sakitram: you have to make the system bootable |
| 20:03.04 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I understand |
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| 20:03.11 | sakitram | pandrew: yes |
| 20:03.11 | pandrew | sakitram: 1) change fstab |
| 20:03.24 | dutchfish | how can regenerate ssh keys on a given debian box after i cloned it to a few diferent machines? |
| 20:03.25 | pandrew | sakitram: can you do it on your own? |
| 20:03.30 | sakitram | pandrew: you mean reverse the work I did before? |
| 20:03.35 | synx | When I email a patch to debian bugs, do I attach the patch, or do I have to inline it? |
| 20:03.47 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I think so, I do it now. |
| 20:03.49 | yigal | So let me try this way. While the official repos. have compiz all the bells and whistles seem to be missing. Is this true? Like the application gkiagia suggested emerald? |
| 20:03.56 | pandrew | sakitram: not reverse |
| 20:04.07 | pandrew | sakitram: your swap partition is /dev/hda3 now |
| 20:04.12 | thisiz | \amethyst: thanks very much! |
| 20:04.13 | pandrew | your root partition is /dev/hda4 |
| 20:04.16 | sakitram | pandrew: ok |
| 20:04.16 | streuner | dondelelcaro: "basic" contact is important and transparency... |
| 20:04.23 | pandrew | and the other two are /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 |
| 20:04.46 | streuner | dondelelcaro: invite only isnt a very good idea, IMHO |
| 20:04.57 | synx | dutchfish: regenerate? You just copy the files in ~/.ssh... you can also make new ssh keys with ssh-keygen |
| 20:05.20 | dutchfish | synx, yes ssh-keygen thats the one thx! |
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| 20:05.30 | synx | So I guess I can email attachments to debian bug tracker thingies. |
| 20:05.42 | synx | dutchfish: np |
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| 20:06.01 | yigal | While the official repos. have compiz all the bells and whistles seem to be missing. Is this true? Like the application gkiagia suggested emerald? |
| 20:06.18 | stew | synx: yes, attachments are handled well. they will showup as symlinks on the bug page |
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| 20:06.28 | pandrew | sakitram: did you have grub or lilo before? |
| 20:06.31 | sakitram | pandrew: please check this: http://pastebin.com/m38f0b835 |
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| 20:06.37 | dutchfish | synx, are there besides those ssh keys and net configuration other things i need ot customize regarding security? |
| 20:06.37 | gkiagia | yigal: emerald is the window decorator of compiz |
| 20:06.47 | sakitram | pandrew: this is what I see when I open /mnt/debian/etc/fstab |
| 20:06.50 | gkiagia | yigal: it should be running with compiz to show window borders |
| 20:06.56 | sakitram | pandrew: there is already /dev/hda3 declaration |
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| 20:06.59 | sakitram | pandrew: what to do? |
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| 20:07.14 | s4xxon | hello, i got the following line on my fstab /dev/hdc6 /media/win4 ntfs auto,gid=1000,umask=0002,nls=iso8859-7,nls=$ so that my partition will be automounted. what i want is when another user logs on not to be mounted for him |
| 20:07.20 | s4xxon | i did add the gid=1000 which is for my user, but the partition its still being mounted automatically for other users as well, i want it just for the user i use , how would this be ? |
| 20:07.24 | yigal | gkiagia: ok but it is not installed nor can I find it in the repos. :(? |
| 20:07.39 | sakitram | pandrew: and my present fdisk report is : http://pastebin.com/m6f65e104 |
| 20:07.44 | synx | dutchfish: How secure do you need your box to be? What services do you offer from it? |
| 20:07.47 | sakitram | pandrew: I have grub |
| 20:07.52 | synx | stew: Thanks! |
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| 20:07.54 | pandrew | sakitram: http://pastebin.com/m2e9dcd1 |
| 20:08.09 | xand | s4xxon: change the permissions of the mount point |
| 20:08.12 | claudio` | Does it make sense to put the shebang on ~/.xinitrc? |
| 20:08.13 | dutchfish | synx, for simpicity lets say i just cloned a dbootstrapped install (bare bones) |
| 20:08.18 | pandrew | sakitram: what is the output of mount? |
| 20:08.22 | pandrew | whithout any parameters? |
| 20:08.53 | s4xxon | xand, cant i change the fstab so that only for my user and root will automatically mounted ? |
| 20:08.53 | claudio` | I'm reading it's run as shell script but i don't know with what shell it's called. |
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| 20:09.02 | synx | dutchfish: I mean what are you going to be doing with your computer? A web server? FTP? Some p2p thing? SNMP? c.c |
| 20:09.04 | sakitram | pandrew: http://pastebin.com/m248abfad |
| 20:09.11 | xand | s4xxon: things aren't mounted that way... they mount on boot |
| 20:09.12 | sakitram | pandrew: which is mount output report |
| 20:09.13 | Tr0gd0r | how do i get non-free into my sources.list? |
| 20:09.22 | dutchfish | synx, build a cluster from small PXE booted images |
| 20:09.23 | xand | !non-free |
| 20:09.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:09.23 | sakitram | pandrew: what to do with : http://pastebin.com/m2e9dcd1 |
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| 20:09.41 | Tr0gd0r | !non-free sources |
| 20:09.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 20:09.41 | s4xxon | thought that gid=1000 means to be mounted for that user only |
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| 20:09.53 | yigal | gkiagia: the official compiz is using something called gtk-window-decorator not emerald |
| 20:09.59 | pandrew | sakitram: i modified it |
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| 20:10.05 | pandrew | that is how it should look like |
| 20:10.08 | S4nD3r | I d like to download a youtube video, is possible in linux? |
| 20:10.13 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I do it now |
| 20:10.17 | streuner | S4nD3r: youtube-dl |
| 20:10.17 | synx | dutchfish: Are the cluster computers going to be communicating with the outside world? Or is there going to be some kind of gateway, or..? |
| 20:10.20 | ezguy | hi, is there a way to stop a fsck check? |
| 20:10.25 | S4nD3r | its not working |
| 20:10.26 | yigal | S4nD3r: yes also "clive" |
| 20:10.32 | claudio` | yes, xinit(1) told me yes :-) |
| 20:10.33 | claudio` | THX anyway guys |
| 20:10.34 | streuner | S4nD3r: -vv |
| 20:10.41 | gkiagia | yigal: oh, sorry. emerald is for beryl/compiz-fusion. |
| 20:10.45 | dutchfish | synx, images act as small computing slaves for the administrative machine |
| 20:10.52 | gkiagia | yigal: I forgot that |
| 20:10.55 | yigal | gkiagia: I am using compiz-fusion 5.2 |
| 20:10.55 | S4nD3r | -vv ? |
| 20:10.59 | S4nD3r | 2006.11.12 |
| 20:11.03 | sakitram | pandrew: done |
| 20:11.14 | streuner | S4nD3r: we need more details... |
| 20:11.15 | sakitram | pandrew: may I execute "mount -a" |
| 20:11.17 | yigal | S4nD3r: use clive: $clive url |
| 20:11.31 | dutchfish | synx, the few apps are covered already |
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| 20:11.35 | gkiagia | yigal: if you are running compiz-fusion then you need emerald. I run compiz-fusion too and I can assure you ;) |
| 20:11.36 | S4nD3r | I will try to install clive |
| 20:11.37 | Tr0gd0r | after doing non-free shouldnt apt-get install sun-java6-* work? |
| 20:11.43 | S4nD3r | 2006.11.12 is the output of -vv |
| 20:11.47 | pandrew | sakitram: give me the output of this: http://pastebin.com/m2e9dcd1 |
| 20:11.49 | pandrew | oops |
| 20:11.53 | dutchfish | synx, and communicate through nfs4 |
| 20:11.54 | yigal | gkiagia: what repos. are you using? |
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| 20:11.59 | pandrew | sakitram: ls -l -R /mnt/debian/boot |
| 20:12.12 | pandrew | sakitram: ignore the link :-) |
| 20:12.20 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, 1 min |
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| 20:12.33 | synx | dutchfish: Then you only need to make sure your gateway is secure. What is it using to communicate outside of the cluster? |
| 20:12.58 | sakitram | pandrew: http://pastebin.com/m6b59c2d0 |
| 20:13.14 | dutchfish | synx, harden, iptables, conntrack and others |
| 20:13.25 | S4nD3r | youtube was working good |
| 20:13.27 | streuner | S4nD3r: youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blU-ME0KBog |
| 20:13.48 | dutchfish | synx, my q is just is the ssh keygen sufficient to make them unique? |
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| 20:13.54 | pandrew | sakitram: get the contents of /mnt/debian/boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:13.56 | synx | dutchfish: I mean, a web interface? What is this cluster reporting, to whom? Is the gateway open to the Internet? |
| 20:13.59 | streuner | Retrieving video data: 25.1% ( 3.75M of 14.91M) at 91.00k/s ETA 02:05 |
| 20:14.08 | dutchfish | synx, nope private cluster |
| 20:14.17 | synx | ssh-keygen will generate unique keys yes. |
| 20:14.20 | gkiagia | yigal: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 20:14.21 | S4nD3r | streuner, the same answer |
| 20:14.27 | S4nD3r | 2006.11.12 |
| 20:14.28 | gkiagia | yigal: but it is quite unstable |
| 20:14.37 | pandrew | sakitram: and put it on pastebin |
| 20:14.43 | sakitram | pandrew: yes |
| 20:14.43 | gkiagia | yigal: I don't like it at all |
| 20:15.04 | yigal | gkiagia: oh, I'm sorry to hear, does it break you system? |
| 20:15.11 | yigal | s/you/your |
| 20:15.20 | streuner | S4nD3r: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:15.37 | S4nD3r | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:15.47 | flokuehn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.51 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.52 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.08 | gkiagia | yigal: well, sometimes it may make X segfault, but other than that it has many bugs here and there |
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| 20:16.21 | streuner | S4nD3r: i have no idea why youtube-dl not working then |
| 20:16.28 | sakitram | pandrew: http://pastebin.com/m5a434df7 |
| 20:16.46 | yigal | S4nD3r: does clive have the same problem? |
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| 20:16.59 | S4nD3r | i willl install it now |
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| 20:17.29 | streuner | S4nD3r: just make a "simple sid backport" then |
| 20:17.31 | yigal | gkiagia: but you can switch back to metacity when you want to, yes? |
| 20:17.40 | streuner | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:18.01 | HardDisk_WP | can I measure the data transfer rate of my hdd? |
| 20:18.02 | S4nD3r | i will try to download clive |
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| 20:18.18 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: hdparm |
| 20:18.23 | cast | HardDisk_WP: zcav |
| 20:18.25 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 20:18.26 | pandrew | sakitram: did all four items function in grub? |
| 20:18.33 | gkiagia | yigal: yes, but well, I am not using metacity, I am using kwin. There is a tray icon (fusion-icon) to switch when you want |
| 20:18.59 | HardDisk_WP | eh, which architecture to choose for apt-build for a Core2Duo mobile? normal "pentium"? |
| 20:19.04 | Tr0gd0r | where do i put my export PATH= in debian? I tried .profile but thats not working |
| 20:19.07 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, when I first install only 2 debian was there and then I did Kernel compilation and then 2 another debian entries came there |
| 20:19.18 | sakitram | pandrew: and the latest Kernel was the first 2 entries only. |
| 20:19.25 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, i686 |
| 20:19.26 | abrotman | Tr0gd0r: .bash_profile most likely |
| 20:19.43 | sakitram | pandrew: all four items were functioning too. |
| 20:19.44 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, not availabe |
| 20:19.50 | HardDisk_WP | only "pentium" variants |
| 20:19.57 | yigal | ah, you are using KDE, I am usually using DWM but I wanted to see what the otherside of Linux was like to this week I have used GNOME and I thought to make it as "special" an experience as I could :) |
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| 20:20.14 | yigal | s/Linux/GNU/Linux |
| 20:20.29 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, P4 |
| 20:20.34 | pandrew | sakitram: this is strange because the two use different root partitions |
| 20:20.38 | HardDisk_WP | pentium, pentium-mmx, pentiumpro, pentium2,pentium3,pentium3m,pentium-m,pentium4, pentium4m,prescott or nocona |
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| 20:20.55 | sakitram | pandrew: 1 min |
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| 20:21.20 | S4nD3r | clive is working |
| 20:21.34 | sakitram | pandrew: I do not believe this, my I compiled and installed Kernel 2.6.22.9 and it was the first 2 entries, but I do not find there so |
| 20:21.43 | sakitram | pandrew: please 1 min, I shall check |
| 20:21.46 | S4nD3r | great !!!! |
| 20:21.52 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 20:22.03 | yigal | S4nD3r: np, glad it works :) |
| 20:22.03 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, this is a mobile...should I choose p4m? |
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| 20:22.11 | S4nD3r | Another issue |
| 20:22.22 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, not sure |
| 20:22.22 | jelly-home | how do I see when does the next daylight saving adjustment take place (...er, take time?) |
| 20:22.26 | S4nD3r | I have wmv files, which application to see it ? |
| 20:22.35 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, Centrino? |
| 20:22.36 | pandrew | sakitram: well ther kernel Is there, but it is not in grub... |
| 20:22.47 | abrotman | dutchfish: centrino is a chipset .. not a cpu |
| 20:22.55 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, core2duo, 2x2.0Ghz, T7520 |
| 20:23.01 | pandrew | sakitram: the 2.6.22.9 kernel |
| 20:23.02 | HardDisk_WP | eh t 2570 |
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| 20:23.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: google ? :) |
| 20:23.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: naah! |
| 20:23.30 | dutchfish | abrotman, my exp p4m i use only for P4 with centrino chipset otherwise no benifit |
| 20:23.30 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I see in vim now, 1min, I shall post the menu.1st content again |
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| 20:23.56 | sakitram | pandrew: http://pastebin.com/m3fac2d26 |
| 20:23.56 | techly | where is the correct place to report an out-of-date package? |
| 20:24.06 | abrotman | techly: such as what ? |
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| 20:24.43 | techly | abrotman, the newest package of libburn in sid is 0.2.2, but they are up to 0.3.8. I had to compile it manually as a dependency for something |
| 20:24.55 | pandrew | sakitram: did you accidentally post menu.lst~? that would explain it :-) |
| 20:25.12 | techly | abrotman, just need to know if theres a special way of doing it, or if i should just email the maintainer |
| 20:25.17 | abrotman | techly: you mean like this : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383579 |
| 20:25.28 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i choose p4m for now, lets see if it works |
| 20:25.43 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I think so |
| 20:25.54 | techly | abrotman, ah. well thanks. |
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| 20:25.59 | diafic | !foo |
| 20:26.00 | dpkg | from memory, foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 20:26.11 | pandrew | sakitram: there are 6 linux entrys now. did the last 2 work? |
| 20:26.19 | sakitram | pandrew: yes |
| 20:26.24 | abrotman | techly: you can file a wishlist bug on the package .. that's how it's normally done .. but usually they know, they just might be busy or it's difficult |
| 20:26.41 | BluesKaj | Howdy , for some reason the resolution is stuck at 640x480 and am not able to change it ...is there a system settings app available that allows this or am i stuck ? |
| 20:26.45 | pandrew | sakitram: so you had a linux on a fat partition? |
| 20:26.46 | sakitram | pandrew: but did not checked it, I use only the first 2 entried (infact only first one). |
| 20:27.12 | pandrew | what did you have on hda5? |
| 20:27.12 | sakitram | pandrew: no, it should be in ext2 or ext3. |
| 20:27.13 | techly | abrotman, alrighty. ill reply to the bug you showed me to. thanks again |
| 20:27.20 | BluesKaj | < running kde desktop |
| 20:27.23 | sakitram | pandrew: in fat, there is Windows 98 only. |
| 20:27.45 | pandrew | sakitram: did you have a fat32 on there before makeing it ext2 or 3? |
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| 20:28.28 | sakitram | pandrew: yes |
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| 20:28.46 | sakitram | pandrew: IN the plain 15 GB, I installed W98, and then Installed debian |
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| 20:29.31 | BluesKaj | so , I guess I'm stuck in 640x480 hell ? |
| 20:29.36 | pandrew | sakitram: so why did you have another kernel on /dev/hda5? did you (re)install another linux there? |
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| 20:30.29 | HardDisk_WP | ARGH! |
| 20:30.33 | sakitram | pandrew: no, in fact there are so many changes, until two months ago, I was using Fedora |
| 20:30.36 | m1ke_1 | aaa...PIRATES! |
| 20:30.40 | xoz | BluesKaj: you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf screen section |
| 20:30.45 | HardDisk_WP | where are the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source packages in Testing?! |
| 20:30.46 | sakitram | pandrew: and then I installed Debian in a spare partition |
| 20:31.00 | pandrew | sakitram: ah, ok. do you still have fedora on there? |
| 20:31.08 | sakitram | pandrew: and then I removed the Fedora completely and installe dthe the another new Debian |
| 20:31.15 | sakitram | pandew: that is all |
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| 20:31.36 | pandrew | sakitram: ok, so we can comment out the last 2 linux options then |
| 20:31.41 | sakitram | pandrew: then now Just removed that space Debian parittion using fdisk and that sequence brought me to this problem. |
| 20:31.48 | BluesKaj | ok xoz , thx |
| 20:31.52 | sakitram | pandrew: no more fedora in my system. |
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| 20:32.00 | sakitram | pandrew: yes |
| 20:32.10 | pandrew | sakitram: http://pastebin.com/m5e9643f9 |
| 20:32.45 | techly | uhh abrotman, I should just reply to the existing bug rather then creating a new one, correct? |
| 20:33.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:33.12 | sakitram | pandrew: done |
| 20:33.16 | pandrew | sakitram: i changed the lines: 119, 120, 125,126,130,131,136,137, and commented out: 149 to 166 |
| 20:33.23 | pandrew | sakitram: ok |
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| 20:33.26 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, I can see that |
| 20:33.39 | sakitram | pandrew: now reboot? |
| 20:33.55 | pandrew | now you have to run grub-install --root-directory=/media/debian /dev/hda |
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| 20:34.04 | pandrew | sakitram: ^^ |
| 20:34.05 | sakitram | pandrew: yes |
| 20:34.20 | pandrew | sakitram: sorry |
| 20:34.32 | pandrew | sakitram:grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/debian /dev/hda |
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| 20:35.31 | sakitram | pandrew: http://pastebin.com/m4b314810 |
| 20:35.38 | Riot|AFK | Hey, is there any way to install my own image with SSH access only? |
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| 20:36.15 | sakitram | pandrew: next? |
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| 20:36.42 | pandrew | sakitram: you can reboot now. if it does not boot successfully, then write down any error messages.... |
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| 20:36.55 | sakitram | pandrew: sure |
| 20:37.15 | sakitram | pandrew: soon back in some minutes, thank you so much. |
| 20:37.17 | HardDisk_WP | uh I have a problem |
| 20:37.25 | pandrew | sakitram: you're welcome |
| 20:37.29 | HardDisk_WP | at boot some select() to /dev/rtc times out |
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| 20:37.34 | HardDisk_WP | and the clock cant be set correctly |
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| 20:38.28 | HardDisk_WP | and shutdown warns me my disk might not have spun down at shutdown and tells me to update it |
| 20:38.33 | HardDisk_WP | but I'm on current testing |
| 20:39.05 | schoppenhauer | hello. does anybody know a tutorial or something about the "socksify"-command (which is in the package dante-client), or a similar program, which can be used with an ssh -D -Proxy? |
| 20:39.19 | HardDisk_WP | you can use a Squid proxy |
| 20:39.31 | azeem | schoppenhauer: tsocks is better, IMHO |
| 20:39.37 | HardDisk_WP | I often tunnel SSH connections and all other kinda stuff through Squid |
| 20:39.45 | HardDisk_WP | PuTTY supports it, Thunderbird... |
| 20:39.57 | azeem | schoppenhauer: in general you tell /etc/tsocks.conf that 127.0.0.1 is your socks proxy, plus whatever you port you chose |
| 20:39.58 | mathesis | where save debian localeS? |
| 20:40.23 | mathesis | where save debian locale all? |
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| 20:40.55 | BluesKaj | i have the xorg.conf file open but there doesn't seem to a default resolution to change, since there are several listed . How do I know what to edit in the list? |
| 20:41.09 | azeem | BluesKaj: you should use dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:41.57 | Riot|AFK | Wyzard, you happen to be around? |
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| 20:43.27 | techly | My fonts look horrible in firefox. All other gtk apps look beautiful. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 20:43.44 | schoppenhauer | azeem: ok. i'll try it. |
| 20:44.37 | Tr0gd0r | !java |
| 20:44.37 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 20:44.44 | Tr0gd0r | !install java |
| 20:44.44 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from non-free if you're using etch/etch-backports/lenny/sid or ask me about <java-package>. |
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| 20:45.10 | Tr0gd0r | !java-package |
| 20:45.10 | dpkg | i guess java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 20:45.18 | xand | msg |
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| 20:45.40 | _atula_ | !java |
| 20:45.41 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 20:45.53 | abrotman | Tr0gd0r: msg the bot please |
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| 20:46.20 | sakitram | pandrew: I got my Debian back. |
| 20:46.28 | sakitram | pandrew: now I am from my Debian. |
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| 20:46.45 | sakitram | pandrew: You did a great help to me. |
| 20:47.02 | sakitram | pandrew: I thank you so much. |
| 20:47.19 | Tr0gd0r | meh the bot is wrong |
| 20:47.21 | Tr0gd0r | its not working |
| 20:47.32 | pandrew | sakitram: that's great, you're welcome! |
| 20:48.06 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone help me with the error msg "select() to /dev/rtc timed out" and "cant set system clock to 2007-...."? |
| 20:48.11 | HardDisk_WP | they appear at boot |
| 20:48.12 | sakitram | pandrew: I see a message with prompt while booting which is ":Could not stat the resume device, Please teyp in the file name to try again or press Enter too continue..." |
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| 20:48.44 | sakitram | pandrew: Ithen I perssed Enter then Debian continued booting. |
| 20:48.47 | HardDisk_WP | and the clock is always at some freaky time, although the date is correct |
| 20:48.55 | sakitram | pandrew: May I know what this is about? |
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| 20:49.14 | pandrew | sakitram: what gave the error message? was it grub, or was it the kernel? |
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| 20:49.34 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, what kernel what chipset? |
| 20:49.34 | sakitram | pandrew: Kerne.l |
| 20:49.49 | sakitram | pandrew: it came at the middle of the booting sequence |
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| 20:51.12 | sakitram | pandrew: it does not come not only now, it came also one time just before I get into trouble too. |
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| 20:51.34 | schoppenhauer | azeem: ok. this works. but could you also help me how to make dns-lookups be tunneled through this proxy? |
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| 20:52.05 | azeem | schoppenhauer: sorry, dunno about that |
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| 20:52.30 | azeem | schoppenhauer: maybe you need a proxy dnsd which you run with tsocks, no idea |
| 20:52.30 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, current testing (2.6.22) |
| 20:52.36 | schoppenhauer | azeem: ok. thank you anyway! |
| 20:52.37 | HardDisk_WP | chipset...how can I detect it? |
| 20:52.59 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, is this the kernel build for P4m? |
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| 20:53.13 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, no, the arch question was about apt-build |
| 20:53.15 | Networkgamer | anyone familiar with the grub command line? |
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| 20:53.39 | Networkgamer | in the grub command line how can i boot from a cd |
| 20:53.45 | Networkgamer | or get grub to boot a cd |
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| 20:54.04 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, d'you know somethin' about this kinda problem? |
| 20:54.06 | pandrew | sakitram: i'm not sure... |
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| 20:54.10 | HardDisk_WP | btw, the chipset is Intel |
| 20:54.15 | pandrew | sakitram: i'm still looking on google |
| 20:54.20 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, what doe sit do when boot with NOAPIC? |
| 20:54.34 | sakitram | pandrew: no problem. |
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| 20:54.43 | sakitram | pandrew: thank you so much |
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| 20:54.50 | Riot|AFK | hey, what's "exitting on signal 15"? |
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| 20:55.08 | moope2 | hey chaps, can anyone give me a hand with setting up home network with my cable modem? |
| 20:55.16 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, can't test it now (moving files from my home pc to it)...but will test |
| 20:55.41 | Networkgamer | moope2:first you need a router |
| 20:55.51 | Networkgamer | you cant have a home network with just a modem |
| 20:55.51 | moope2 | I have one of them |
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| 20:55.55 | shifty | hi all |
| 20:55.57 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, btw, do you know a easy way to transfer whole directorys via ssh? fish is ***y slow |
| 20:55.59 | Networkgamer | so a modem and router? |
| 20:56.13 | HardDisk_WP | the source machine is marco@192.168.0.102 |
| 20:56.17 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, rsync? |
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| 20:56.38 | HardDisk_WP | source is /home/marco/.kde, target on localhost /home/marco/.kde |
| 20:56.59 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, preferrably something ssh based, i dont have the time now to setup working rsync |
| 20:57.01 | moope2 | Networkgamer: yeah, the router already has one interent connection to it. We just got the "bulk" cable connection switched on and I want everyone to automatically use the bulk conection |
| 20:57.23 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, sftp scp |
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| 20:57.47 | shifty | i have a active session in terminal where i download something over wget... is it possible to restart xserver without terminate that sessoin? can i open in the console alt+f2? if yes... how? |
| 20:57.54 | HardDisk_WP | *aaaa* that's quite a lot of options oO |
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| 20:59.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 21:00.10 | shifty | i have a active session in terminal where i download something over wget... is it possible to restart xserver without terminate that sessoin? can i open in the console alt+f2? if yes... how? |
| 21:00.49 | dutchfish | shifty, you cant unless you used screen |
| 21:00.57 | shifty | :( |
| 21:01.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | im having trouble with tightvnc |
| 21:01.16 | shifty | ok... |
| 21:01.37 | shifty | maybe you tell us wich? |
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| 21:01.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | when i run it like: tightvncserver :3 -geometry 1280x1024 -depth 32 it works fine, but when i try: tightvncserver :3 -inetd -query localhost -once -geometry 1280x1024 -depth 32, it complains about a wrong font path |
| 21:02.02 | snacky | shifty: but, what's the problem anyway? wget -c will resume the download |
| 21:02.06 | pandrew | sakitram: try: update-initramfs -u |
| 21:02.07 | dutchfish | shifty, apt-cache show screen |
| 21:02.26 | sakitram | pandrew: yes, |
| 21:02.27 | shifty | oh i can resume a transfer ? nice :D |
| 21:02.40 | shifty | so only ctrl+c and after wget -c? |
| 21:02.46 | shifty | or also the dllink? |
| 21:03.07 | snacky | wget -c url |
| 21:03.13 | shifty | k ... thx |
| 21:03.14 | dutchfish | shifty, not if you have closed the terminals creen |
| 21:03.31 | LRU | Hi, I'm looking for documentaion on how to handle programs with debug info... say I have a library that needs debug info, and some tools that also need debug info, (libfoo-dbg, and foo-utils)... is it a good idea to force the deb package for foo-utils to contain debug symbols? |
| 21:03.53 | LRU | Where would I look for more information on the "Debian way" of handling this? |
| 21:04.01 | shifty | how can i copy to a console? |
| 21:04.27 | shifty | i mean paste |
| 21:04.42 | shifty | i have it copied with ctrl+c ... but ctrl+v doesnt work |
| 21:05.09 | pandrew | shifty: shift-insert or middle mouse button |
| 21:05.09 | dondelelcaro | LRU: for most things there are -dbg packages which have the symbols |
| 21:05.20 | shifty | ok thx pandrew |
| 21:05.23 | dondelelcaro | LRU: if one doesn't exist, then just rebuild whatever you need to debug without stripping the symbols |
| 21:05.39 | abrotman | is there a fast/loose percentage increase for the header when creating a tar ? |
| 21:05.56 | synx | shifty: Highlight and select text, and double click in the window. Also look for "xterm" and "selection" and uh... "buffer". There's a rc file that can enable the clipboard using the shift key. |
| 21:06.10 | shifty | pandrew, that doesnt work in console (ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 21:06.11 | shifty | ) |
| 21:06.19 | LRU | dondelelcaro: I'm using cdbs for my debian/rules file... and the docs show that there is an option for the library, but I want to compile the program part with debug info as well. |
| 21:06.30 | Networkgamer | how can i recofigure grub from the grub command line? |
| 21:06.35 | synx | shifty: Might be better to redirect the data into a file so you don't have to do all that frippery about clicking and key combinations. |
| 21:06.43 | pandrew | shifty: oh, you mean that? sorry, i don't know. i don't really see the point in that. |
| 21:06.52 | pandrew | shifty: what i meant should work for xterms |
| 21:07.13 | dutchfish | Networkgamer, nano /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 21:07.15 | shifty | ok .. then i hardcopy ^^ |
| 21:07.23 | sakitram | pandrew: done. Thank you so much. May God give you all the best. Bye.. :) |
| 21:07.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: 0x200 or so, iirc. |
| 21:08.12 | dondelelcaro | LRU: for everything you can just DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; or similar |
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| 21:08.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 21:08.42 | LRU | dondelelcaro: ahh, thank you! |
| 21:08.45 | abrotman | i think |
| 21:08.52 | dondelelcaro | LRU: if you're talking about the package itself providing dbg information, it's a set of options to dh_strip that will store the symbols; you just have to put them into an appropriate package |
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| 21:09.16 | Tr0gd0r | anyone help me im trying to make the java deb by using make-jpkg and im getting these errors http://pastebin.ca/734592 |
| 21:09.20 | pandrew | sakitram: did it solve it? |
| 21:09.35 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I suppose it's possible for it to be longer if the filename/path is long, but that's what the header size is for a one byte length file |
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| 21:09.48 | LRU | dondelelcaro: so, for example let's say I have a debian/rules setup where it creates libfoo, libfoo-dev, foo-utils, and foo-gui... if I use one option for the dbg info, will the stripped symbols for all 4 packages go in that one package? |
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| 21:10.13 | dondelelcaro | LRU: that depends on what your .install files say |
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| 21:10.22 | dondelelcaro | LRU: you could put them all into a single -dbg package, or two |
| 21:10.35 | shifty | brb (if nvidia driver works ^^) |
| 21:10.53 | sakitram | pandrew: I have to restart the system, ok, I shall do it now, and back soon. |
| 21:10.54 | LRU | dondelelcaro: so dh_strip creates the files, and the .install files need to pick them up and put them where I expect? |
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| 21:10.59 | dondelelcaro | LRU: right |
| 21:11.04 | Tr0gd0r | anyone? http://pastebin.ca/734592 |
| 21:11.11 | LRU | dondelelcaro: ahh, thanks! |
| 21:11.27 | dondelelcaro | LRU: the nostrip option I gave you is for when you want to rebuild a package without stripping; didn't realize that you were creating your own package |
| 21:11.32 | dondelelcaro | LRU: man dh_strip for more information |
| 21:11.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: a friend saw a 25% increase on a large tar .. i told him it was the header .. but i didn't think 25% sounded right |
| 21:12.21 | LRU | dondelelcaro: I think I have a direction to point my brain now, thanks :-) |
| 21:12.22 | juso | Apt doesnt have openwebmail on etch, but it has it on sarge? how can I get openwebmail via apt? |
| 21:12.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the main thing is that tar will chuck the entire block into the archive, but since you normally compress it, it dissappears right away |
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| 21:12.48 | abrotman | ah ... |
| 21:13.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: so my one byte file in a tar archive is actually 10K in size |
| 21:13.38 | dondelelcaro | (but gzip'ed it's 123 bytes) |
| 21:14.17 | song[exe] | :s I just tried to run make-kpkg modules_image but it dumped the script to my terminal instead of doing anything |
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| 21:15.31 | Tr0gd0r | no one know what i need? Family: 6 Model: 10 Stepping: 0 |
| 21:15.33 | Tr0gd0r | oops |
| 21:15.36 | Tr0gd0r | http://pastebin.ca/734592 |
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| 21:16.03 | Shifty | so, now i have again the problem with nvidia :(/ |
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| 21:19.37 | Shifty | how can i remove all contents of nvidia? |
| 21:19.44 | Shifty | driver, sources, all ? |
| 21:19.53 | chops | Shifty: How did you install them? |
| 21:20.03 | rafuch0 | aptitude purge |
| 21:20.50 | Shifty | with the tutorial from the wiki.debian.org page |
| 21:20.54 | pandrew | sakitram: sorry, i don't know what else to say about that.. i don't have any more time now to research the problem... |
| 21:20.55 | Shifty | !nvidia |
| 21:20.55 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 21:21.22 | moope2 | Oct 12 22:18:01 andrew-laptop dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 21:21.31 | moope2 | what does this mean? |
| 21:21.40 | Guerin | moope2: it means the DHCP server is full. |
| 21:21.44 | chops | Shifty: aptitude purge the packages that were installed (dpkg -l '*nv*' | grep ^ii) |
| 21:22.05 | moope2 | Guerin: full? I have only just switched it on! |
| 21:22.25 | Guerin | moope2: contact your sysadmin so they can install more trucks. |
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| 21:22.44 | sakitram | Pandrew: no problem, I shall explore on this. Anyhow, thank you once again. Bye. |
| 21:22.46 | moope2 | Guerin: sadly, I am the sysadmin |
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| 21:22.51 | pandrew | bye.. |
| 21:23.02 | Guerin | moope2: then it's YOUR fault! |
| 21:23.21 | moope2 | Guerin: Indeed, but Im going to blame ian |
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| 21:23.36 | Guerin | moope2: You would be foolish to do otherwise. |
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| 21:24.20 | synx | alright, it says patch submitted so I'm gonna flee the spam. |
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| 21:24.39 | moope2 | Guerin:) perhaps, now ian has buggered off, You can explain, in large, wipe clean pages with big bold word and pretty pictures how the hel I get my laptop to server dhcp |
| 21:25.14 | Tr0gd0r | heh wow make-jpkg hath killed my server :( |
| 21:25.47 | stew | Tr0gd0r: why are you using make-jpkg instead of using a pre-packaged sun jvm that debian distributes? |
| 21:25.52 | moope2 | http://rafb.net/p/ryI6ny73.html |
| 21:25.58 | chops | moope2: Wait, are you trying to get it to serve dhcp, or just get a lease from an existing server? |
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| 21:26.17 | moope2 | I want to server dhcp but Im getting this in the syslog http://rafb.net/p/ryI6ny73.html |
| 21:26.39 | chops | moope2: It looks like it can't find any DHCP server in your local network |
| 21:26.43 | moope2 | Im setting up a machine to be a router cos the netgear one I have is pants |
| 21:27.03 | chops | moope2: It looks like your DHCP server is misconfigured -- it doesn't like the "name-servers" option |
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| 21:28.24 | Tr0gd0r | stew |
| 21:28.31 | Tr0gd0r | where can i get a prepackaged one? |
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| 21:29.25 | moope2 | okay, I took out the offending line with a # |
| 21:29.28 | moope2 | now I get |
| 21:29.30 | moope2 | Oct 12 22:27:22 andrew-laptop kernel: [ 3083.612000] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 21:29.30 | moope2 | !! |
| 21:29.31 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:29.34 | stew | Tr0gd0r: from non-free, you'll need to add non-free to your sources.list if it isn't already there, then install one or more of: sun-java5-{jre,jdk,plugin} |
| 21:29.42 | Tr0gd0r | tried that |
| 21:29.44 | Tr0gd0r | didnt work |
| 21:29.55 | chops | moope2: That's nothing to do with your DHCP server. It's not ideal but not necessarily harmful. |
| 21:29.57 | stew | Tr0gd0r: be more specific than "didnt work" |
| 21:29.58 | Guerin | n30: boot with noapic |
| 21:30.03 | moope2 | Oct 12 22:28:33 andrew-laptop dhcpd: Can't create new lease file: Permission denied |
| 21:30.03 | Tr0gd0r | said no packages found |
| 21:30.08 | moope2 | thats not so good tho |
| 21:30.09 | Tr0gd0r | and i did apt-get update |
| 21:30.13 | Guerin | moope2: boot with noapic |
| 21:30.30 | Guerin | Tr0gd0r: man sources.list |
| 21:30.38 | chops | moope2: Is it configured to create lease files in a location that's writable by the user that the dhcpd server runs as? |
| 21:30.49 | Tr0gd0r | waiting to get my server rebooted now because make-jpkg killed it |
| 21:30.59 | Shifty | my kdm wont start... how do i load it with actual xorg.conf file? |
| 21:31.10 | moope2 | chops: hmmm, (ta by the way your making sence :)) |
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| 21:31.25 | weld | hi, can someone tell me which package is needed to get preview of video files in konqueror? |
| 21:31.27 | stew | Tr0gd0r: did you add non-free? (the sun java can't be included in debian yet, so it is in non-free instead) |
| 21:31.28 | chops | Tr0gd0r: How exactly did it kill it? |
| 21:31.50 | Tr0gd0r | well it was stuck at something and now my server isnt responded |
| 21:31.58 | Tr0gd0r | the putty window closed so i dont have the error |
| 21:32.08 | Tr0gd0r | stew yeah i added nonfree |
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| 21:32.16 | Tr0gd0r | ill try apt-get again as soon as my server is up |
| 21:32.17 | stew | Tr0gd0r: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:32.21 | Tr0gd0r | etch |
| 21:32.22 | chops | Tr0gd0r: I have a strong feeling that that's unrelated to make-jpkg :-/ |
| 21:32.33 | Tr0gd0r | chops it was on the dpkg command |
| 21:32.35 | stew | Tr0gd0r: then you should definately be able to install sun-java-jre |
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| 21:33.05 | Tr0gd0r | at least i believe its etch |
| 21:33.14 | mikearthur | hey, is there a package for the vanilla kernel source? |
| 21:33.22 | Guerin | !believe |
| 21:33.27 | chops | Tr0gd0r: In any case, yes, you should be installing sun-java-jre instead |
| 21:33.27 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 21:34.02 | Tr0gd0r | chops when it comes back up ill tell you teh exact msg i got when i did apt-get install sun-java5-* |
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| 21:34.32 | moope2 | chops, how do I create the lease database? |
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| 21:35.04 | chops | moope2: I'm honestly not sure. It's been years since I fooled around with dhcpd. IIRC I just left it in the default location, though, and it just worked (TM). |
| 21:35.19 | stew | mikearthur: no, debian doesn't distribute unaltered kernel source becuase it considers some parts of the upstream kernel to be non-free |
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| 21:35.36 | mikearthur | stew: ah, interesting. know which parts? |
| 21:35.58 | stew | mikearthur: inevitably its binary firmware blobs |
| 21:35.58 | Guerin | moope2: should have been done on dhcp install. |
| 21:36.56 | stew | mikearthur: debian distributes packages of the source it builds from before and after the debian patches are added, however |
| 21:36.56 | Flimzy | What determines the maximum number of iptables rules that can exist on a system? |
| 21:37.05 | stew | Flimzy: ask #iptables |
| 21:37.10 | Flimzy | good idea |
| 21:37.11 | stew | or #netfilter |
| 21:37.21 | mikearthur | yeh |
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| 21:38.05 | HardDisk_WP | anyone who ever got a Intel 4965 WLAN chipset running? |
| 21:38.11 | HardDisk_WP | I can't in testing... |
| 21:38.43 | chops | !anyone |
| 21:38.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:39.34 | song[exe] | I'm trying to use uupdate to update alsa. (Debian has 2.6.14 in sid; I need .15) However, It says "no diffs available" when I try to run it. I've been told that it should work; so what am I doing wrong/ |
| 21:39.47 | Guerin | wtf is uupdate? |
| 21:39.51 | rafuch0 | lol |
| 21:39.53 | stew | Guerin: man uupdate |
| 21:39.57 | Guerin | i presume it wasn't a typo |
| 21:39.57 | rafuch0 | jajajjaa |
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| 21:40.30 | rmaj|wrk | hmm |
| 21:40.31 | stew | song[exe]: i believe you have already have downloaded the diff or a new tarball |
| 21:40.37 | Guerin | stew: so I presume it is in debian, then. |
| 21:40.39 | HardDisk_WP | gnah...how do I get sound working? alsa one-liner dont work |
| 21:40.46 | stew | Guerin: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:40.47 | HardDisk_WP | xmms says /dev/dsp resource in use |
| 21:40.47 | rmaj|wrk | how to play stupid windoze codecs on debian in affeine |
| 21:40.48 | song[exe] | stew, I have a new tarball, and the old source package |
| 21:40.52 | rmaj|wrk | some win32 codecs etc |
| 21:40.55 | moope2 | Oct 12 22:39:06 andrew-laptop dhcpd: Can't create new lease file: Permission denied |
| 21:40.59 | rafuch0 | use the m-a |
| 21:41.00 | Guerin | stew: no need to take the piss. |
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| 21:41.21 | stew | song[exe]: how are you calling uupdate? |
| 21:41.28 | moope2 | I chmod 777'd the file and still I get "Oct 12 22:39:06 andrew-laptop dhcpd: Can't create new lease file: Permission denied" ??!! |
| 21:41.44 | stew | moope2: you pretty much never want to chmod 777 a file |
| 21:42.00 | song[exe] | stew, uupdate -v 1.0.15rc3 alsa-driver....tar.gz |
| 21:42.02 | moope2 | stew: I know I was getting impatient |
| 21:42.22 | chops | moope2: If it's trying to create a new lease file, you certainly want to be chmod 777'ing a directory instead of a file to allow it to work |
| 21:42.22 | moope2 | DHCP has always been my nemisis. |
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| 21:42.36 | chops | moope2: Not that you really want to be chmod 777ing a directory, of course :-) |
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| 21:43.57 | rafuch0 | video editor in debian? |
| 21:43.59 | stew | song[exe]: which source package are you trying to update? |
| 21:44.07 | stew | rafuch0: apt-cache search video editor |
| 21:44.12 | rafuch0 | lol |
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| 21:44.41 | song[exe] | stew, I'm using alsa-source 1.0.14 from sid, and trying to update to 1.0.15rc3 from alsa |
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| 21:44.45 | Guerin | rafuch0: you probably want to try debian-multimedia.org since video editors tend to include decoders, which aren't in debian for legal reasons. |
| 21:44.52 | Guerin | err, ENcoders, not decoders |
| 21:45.05 | rafuch0 | Guerin: thanks bro |
| 21:45.17 | stew | moope2: do you know which directory/file it is complaining about? |
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| 21:45.44 | Guerin | rafuch0: be advised that there's no actual good video editing gear in free software. Sad, but true. |
| 21:45.54 | Guerin | but there are things which will do the job in a pinch. |
| 21:46.16 | moope2 | stew: I fixed that one now ta. I have to sort of my virtual network now. it doesnt like it |
| 21:46.31 | rafuch0 | i a oing for a smoke |
| 21:46.41 | juso | Whats a webmail that can work with postfix virtual mysql accounts? Anyone know? |
| 21:47.02 | Guerin | juso: any of them. webmail servers are actually just a mail client. |
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| 21:47.16 | Guerin | juso: i recommend ilohamail these days. |
| 21:47.21 | Guerin | it's small and not too crap |
| 21:47.51 | stew | song[exe]: well, what you can probably do instaed is to just untar the newer source, then copy the debian directory from the old source to the new source, then run "dch -v 1.0.15rc3" to update the changelog |
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| 21:48.16 | song[exe] | stew, sure. I'll try that. |
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| 21:54.28 | rmaj|wrk | how to install win32 codecs for kaffeine? |
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| 21:56.13 | wide_awake | Hello |
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| 21:56.49 | wide_awake | what's the best way to go from a very stale "testing/unstable" distro (from before etch was stable) to a current Etch/stable? |
| 21:57.55 | cast | probably setting your sources to stable and using aptitude |
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| 21:57.57 | haksan | hiiiiii |
| 21:58.13 | wide_awake | cast, is it a dangerous thing to do? |
| 21:58.27 | haksan | someone could help me, i have some pb with mod_auth_mysql for apache |
| 21:58.39 | themill | wide_awake: individual packages are available from snapshots if that helps /msg dpkg sdn |
| 21:58.41 | HardDisk_WP | Okt 12 22:54:22 <dutchfish> HardDisk_WP, what doe sit do when boot with NOAPIC? |
| 21:58.56 | HardDisk_WP | oops dutchfish aint here :( |
| 21:59.04 | themill | wide_awake: sorry... I read that question backwards. |
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| 21:59.09 | themill | wide_awake: ignore that...! |
| 21:59.12 | wide_awake | ok |
| 21:59.13 | wide_awake | :) |
| 21:59.57 | cast | if you were running testing before etch was stable, thus when etch was still testing.....then it should all go well. the unstable part would be the only cause for concern, you might have some packages of higher versions than are in etch |
| 22:00.09 | themill | wide_awake: following the sarge->etch upgrade instructions wouldn't hurt. Afterwards, you're likely to have a pure etch system, but there might be some removed packages around. |
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| 22:00.54 | wide_awake | cast, is there a "dry run" I can do to see what's gonna be messed up afterwards? |
| 22:01.51 | cast | take an lvm snapshot of /? :) dunno, aptitude has -s |
| 22:02.02 | themill | wide_awake: yes, --dry-run, iirc :) |
| 22:02.27 | wide_awake | no lvm on this box. |
| 22:02.29 | wide_awake | alas. |
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| 22:02.55 | wide_awake | I just need transactions for my shell. Begin; do a bunch of stuff that's likely to break the world; ROLLBACK; |
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| 22:03.04 | wide_awake | problem is, when I type rollback, it never works ;) |
| 22:03.04 | themill | heh ;) |
| 22:03.28 | jelly-home | wide_awake: virtual machine with snapshot capability |
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| 22:03.54 | gaurish | how to enable support for flash & mp3 in debian? |
| 22:04.06 | DustyDingo | does anybody know a better alternative for scanmem? |
| 22:04.48 | themill | wide_awake: your upgrade shouldn't be any more scary that a sarge->etch upgrade, although you might just have a couple of packages that have newer versions that etch at present.... that depends how stale your etch/sid mix was. |
| 22:04.52 | song[exe] | !tell guarish about debian-multimedia |
| 22:04.53 | DustyDingo | better in terms of more and better features |
| 22:05.31 | wide_awake | themill: thanks |
| 22:05.40 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: like running it inside gdb in the first place? |
| 22:05.43 | rmaj|wrk | lol why is debian so unstable |
| 22:05.46 | wide_awake | still seems like a bad idea to do it on a friday afternoon though ;) |
| 22:05.54 | rmaj|wrk | I play a dvd in _stable_ debian, and bam - crash of kaffeine, wtf |
| 22:06.24 | DustyDingo | i don't know if it is a general problem, but scanmem is very slow when it comes to monitoring memory |
| 22:06.27 | wide_awake | oh, one other thing - the box is AMD64, and was originally set up when amd64 wasn't officially supported |
| 22:06.29 | themill | rmaj|wrk: that's more likely to be kaffeine's fault... or out-of-debian packages. |
| 22:06.39 | wide_awake | does that make any difference on how scared I should be? |
| 22:06.49 | rmaj|wrk | so which debian I use to have crash free programs? |
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| 22:06.52 | themill | wide_awake: eek.... that might make things a lot more ..umm.... fun. |
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| 22:06.58 | rmaj|wrk | stable crashes, testing crashes... |
| 22:07.00 | masternoob | Yo! |
| 22:07.07 | masternoob | rmaj you here too |
| 22:07.08 | masternoob | ? |
| 22:07.08 | cast | if you're scared tarball /etc and dpkg --get-selections > selections.dpkg |
| 22:07.11 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: well i won't use such a tool, if i had the benefit of debug code;) |
| 22:07.20 | jelly-home | rmaj|wrk: maybe it's your choice of app, not the choice of distro? |
| 22:07.33 | rmaj|wrk | jelly-home: kaffeine is not a good appl? |
| 22:07.36 | rmaj|wrk | what to use then? |
| 22:07.37 | cast | rmaj|wrk: don't like kaffeine then don't use it. mplayer is good. |
| 22:07.41 | themill | wide_awake: would a reinstall be easier, I wonder... /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 22:07.48 | rmaj|wrk | totem even dont have a stupid eq2 filter (gamma correction) |
| 22:07.49 | themill | wide_awake: the second half of it. |
| 22:07.53 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: ask the vendor to provide debug info |
| 22:07.56 | themill | rmaj|wrk: or xine. |
| 22:08.01 | masternoob | ewww xine |
| 22:08.04 | masternoob | yuk |
| 22:08.21 | wide_awake | themill: nope. I don't have physical access to the box. and downtime is a big no-no (which is why I let it get so extremely stale) |
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| 22:08.35 | themill | rmaj|wrk: ask the dvd consortium to release specs and a free licence... that would be a big help to stable dvd viewing. |
| 22:08.36 | masternoob | #join #ubuntu |
| 22:08.41 | masternoob | oops |
| 22:08.48 | wide_awake | it would definitely be /better/, just not easier. |
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| 22:09.00 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: most commercial apps I've seen ship with unstripped and binaries anyway, makes it easier for them to resolve the crashed I guess |
| 22:09.02 | themill | wide_awake: ahh... yes... |
| 22:09.05 | rmaj|wrk | themill: shure. just let me open my email client |
| 22:09.10 | rmaj|wrk | *sure |
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| 22:09.21 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: *grml* why you don't understand? i acctually need a tool to monitor and tweak the memory of a running process |
| 22:09.49 | DustyDingo | it has nothing to do with debugging |
| 22:10.17 | wide_awake | anyone know what's up with this: |
| 22:10.23 | wide_awake | mark@zim:~$ gcc test.c |
| 22:10.24 | wide_awake | /lib/libc.so.6: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 22:10.35 | themill | DustyDingo: umm.... isn't scanmem a debugging utility? |
| 22:10.56 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: well, what are you using it for then, if not debug? |
| 22:11.07 | stew | wide_awake: what version of libc6-dev is installed? |
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| 22:11.42 | wide_awake | stew, 2.5-7 |
| 22:11.59 | themill | wide_awake: ahhh. that's going to make your upgrade much harder. |
| 22:12.10 | wide_awake | I suspected as much. |
| 22:12.18 | DustyDingo | why the hell should someone use scanmem for general tasks debugging,... |
| 22:12.44 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: uh, just want to play around a bit |
| 22:12.55 | stew | wide_awake: and you wnat to move to etch? |
| 22:13.14 | themill | DustyDingo: from the package description "Scanmem is a simple interactive debugging utility for linux,..." |
| 22:13.19 | wide_awake | stew: ideally I want to be running stable. |
| 22:13.31 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: oh well, doesn't sound important then :-) |
| 22:14.08 | wide_awake | I had to start off with testing/unstable long ago because stuff I needed wasn't in stable. But now the stable kernel has what I need, and I can compile anything else newer than stable that I want. |
| 22:14.19 | stew | wide_awake: its going to take some time. run aptitude, find libc6, hit enter, select the stable version 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 by hitting + ; fobid any newer versions, then you will have a ton of broken packages |
| 22:14.36 | stew | wide_awake: search for broken packages with by hitting / and searching for "~b" |
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| 22:14.52 | stew | wide_awake: then for each of those broken packages, hit enter, and select the stable version with + |
| 22:15.06 | stew | wide_awake: and repeat until you have no more broken packages, then hit 'g' |
| 22:15.21 | gaurish | i tried to enable the multimedia repo but it gives a pubkey error :( |
| 22:15.23 | wide_awake | stew, is that after having changed my sources.list to stable? |
| 22:15.24 | DustyDingo | well, maybe the snapshot and < > = features could be usefull in some cases for debugging, but i never had such a situation before |
| 22:15.29 | themill | stew: does dpkg's "partial downgrade" factoid summarise that accurately? |
| 22:15.35 | stew | wide_awake: yes and run aptitude update |
| 22:15.40 | wide_awake | ok |
| 22:15.43 | gaurish | howver i did import the pubkey |
| 22:15.45 | stew | !partial downgrade |
| 22:15.45 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you ahve no more broken pacakges, hit 'g' |
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| 22:28.11 | gaurish | why everyone was kicked out? |
| 22:28.17 | rmaj|wrk | can debian play any dvds? |
| 22:28.25 | rmaj|wrk | kaffeine -> crash |
| 22:28.25 | cast | gaurish: google for netsplit |
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| 22:28.36 | cast | rmaj|wrk: yes. it can. |
| 22:28.37 | gkiagia | wtf |
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| 22:28.37 | rmaj|wrk | mplayer -> either I can not set gamma or size of the video (depending on -vo) |
| 22:28.37 | rmaj|wrk | other options? |
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| 22:28.38 | themill | welcome back everyone.... |
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| 22:28.39 | wide_awake | merci |
| 22:28.40 | Haris | How can I stop the; Oct 12 22:54:01 sglhrcvs -- MARK -- to stop filling up syslog? |
| 22:28.40 | themill | !syslog mark |
| 22:28.40 | dpkg | To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 22:28.40 | claudio` | What's wrong here: 00 04 * * "/bin/ksh -c /home/claudio/backup/smop/dobkp" |
| 22:28.40 | claudio` | ? |
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| 22:28.40 | Haris | There is no SYSLOGD variable in that file |
| 22:28.41 | Haris | ..and it doesn't work if I add it myself |
| 22:28.42 | Riot|AFK | Hey, what would be the problem if my box can receive incoming connections but can't establish outgoing? |
| 22:28.42 | themill | Haris: it should be /etc/default/syslogd |
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| 22:28.42 | snacky | wide_awake: http://xkcd.com/327/ |
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| 22:28.42 | themill | dpkg: syslog mark =~ s#init.d/sysklogd#default/syslogd# |
| 22:28.43 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 22:28.43 | wils0n__ | Riotblade : check iptables (your firewall) |
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| 22:28.43 | Riotblade | it's empty |
| 22:28.44 | wide_awake | snacky, saw that one :) it's excellent. |
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| 22:28.44 | wils0n__ | iptables -t nat --list -v ? |
| 22:28.44 | wide_awake | almost as good as the "Sudo make me a sandwich" one. |
| 22:28.44 | Riotblade | empty as well |
| 22:28.44 | Haris | wide_awake: Update that !syslog mark thing too. That'll be helpfu;l |
| 22:28.44 | Riotblade | default policies are all in place |
| 22:28.44 | themill | stew: I'm not sure if there was more of that conversation about the partial downgrade factoid that I missed in amongst that netsplit... is it accurate? |
| 22:28.44 | Haris | iptables -t nat -v -L |
| 22:28.44 | themill | Haris: I just did |
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| 22:28.46 | Haris | themill: Thankyou |
| 22:28.46 | Riotblade | Haris, it's accepting |
| 22:28.46 | Haris | Riotblade: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:28.46 | Riotblade | I'm failing to establish outgoing connections |
| 22:28.46 | Riotblade | it was working before I rebooted |
| 22:28.46 | Haris | Riotblade: iptables -t filter -L -v |
| 22:28.46 | Riotblade | I editted interfaces if that makes a diff |
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| 22:28.46 | Haris | Riotblade: You might have something in your OUTPUT or FORWARD chains in filter table |
| 22:28.46 | Haris | Riotblade: #iptables |
| 22:28.46 | Riotblade | http://rafb.net/p/0cj48A21.html |
| 22:28.48 | Haris | iptables -F -t filter; iptables -F -t mangle; iptables -F -t nat; iptables -F |
| 22:28.48 | Haris | if its not iptables then check your /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny |
| 22:28.48 | Haris | or any other firewall |
| 22:28.53 | Haris | Riotblade: can you ping anything outside? |
| 22:28.59 | Riotblade | nope |
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| 22:29.12 | Haris | Riotblade: Whta happens when you restart the network service? |
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| 22:29.47 | Riotblade | I get 4x SIOCDELRT: No such process |
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| 22:30.56 | hoooi | hi guys |
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| 22:31.04 | wide_awake | what decides what goes in /etc/debian_version? |
| 22:31.11 | hoooi | how can i watch, what another user is giving right now of commands? |
| 22:31.14 | hoooi | i have root |
| 22:32.33 | Haris | iirc, watch can do it |
| 22:32.35 | Riotblade | Haris, just confirmed it |
| 22:32.38 | Riotblade | It's the interfaces |
| 22:32.40 | Haris | watch or watchdog |
| 22:33.21 | jelly-home | wide_awake: the package owning that file. dpkg -S /etc/debian_version |
| 22:34.01 | wide_awake | k |
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| 22:34.53 | themill | !info watchdog |
| 22:34.57 | dpkg | watchdog: (software watchdog), section admin, is extra. Version: 5.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
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| 22:35.11 | themill | Haris: watchdog has nothing to do with that |
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| 22:35.28 | Haris | !info watch |
| 22:35.34 | Haris | Its a package on fbsd |
| 22:35.42 | Haris | Don't know what debian has |
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| 22:35.52 | jelly-home | this is not fbsd, however |
| 22:36.11 | Haris | jelly-home: Yes, I have found that out on many occasions |
| 22:36.12 | themill | doesn't exist in debian though |
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| 22:36.24 | jelly-home | !find bin/watch |
| 22:36.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/watch' (5): (/usr/bin/watch) in admin/procps ;; (/usr/bin/watchgnupg) in utils/gnupg2 ;; (/usr/sbin/watchdog) in admin/watchdog ;; (/usr/bin/watchupstream) in devel/watchupstream ;; (/usr/bin/{watch-mimedefang|watch-multiple-mimedefangs.tcl}) in mail/mimedefang. |
| 22:36.34 | Haris | some apache related package was installed |
| 22:36.40 | Haris | the main apache package was not |
| 22:36.55 | Haris | and the service was starting when I would start it |
| 22:37.24 | Haris | Why have you gyus configured pure-ftpd to run through inetd, why not run as a seperate daemon? |
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| 22:38.01 | dkr | you get to choose upon install, don't you? |
| 22:38.11 | Haris | for pure-ftpd? |
| 22:38.14 | Haris | no I wasn't asked, iirc |
| 22:38.24 | Haris | I'll re-check to confirm in the mornig |
| 22:38.27 | Haris | morning+ |
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| 22:38.51 | cast | people use !(vsftpd)? D: |
| 22:38.53 | dkr | oh, proftpd is the one that does ask upon install |
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| 22:39.00 | KnickLighter | vsftpd = <3 |
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| 22:39.12 | dalias | vsftpd is the only viable ftpd |
| 22:39.15 | dalias | everything else is rootbait |
| 22:39.28 | dalias | vuln after vuln after vuln |
| 22:39.29 | dkr | sftp? :) |
| 22:39.34 | dalias | sftp is not ftp |
| 22:39.41 | KnickLighter | heh indeed dalias |
| 22:39.59 | Haris | dalias: So far, I haven't had any of my proftpd/pure-ftpd hacked |
| 22:40.17 | dalias | haris, good for you.. |
| 22:40.32 | dkr | biased generalization meet contradictory anecdotal evidence! |
| 22:40.43 | jelly-home | Haris: weren't you the guy that didn't know how the files on your hosted web sites got changed :-) |
| 22:40.54 | Haris | jelly-home: Yep |
| 22:41.01 | KnickLighter | lol Haris |
| 22:41.06 | KnickLighter | check milw0rm for exploits |
| 22:41.14 | dalias | dkr, the vulns were there even if nobody exploited them |
| 22:41.32 | dalias | jelly-home, lmao |
| 22:41.49 | Haris | What's more important ? getting the job done or screwing youself in an un-ending maze of security crap |
| 22:41.53 | cast | lmao @ jelly-home / Haris |
| 22:42.07 | dalias | haris, with that kind of attitude i hope you never admin a site |
| 22:42.14 | Haris | debian has ALOT of security holes to patch up in its packages |
| 22:42.16 | dalias | the two are not mutually exclusive |
| 22:42.22 | Haris | I'd be happy if they'd get to it |
| 22:42.29 | dalias | and haris thats' also bs |
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| 22:42.55 | dkr | Haris: what does ALOT mean? |
| 22:42.59 | wols | Haris: you are free to file a bugreport |
| 22:43.01 | Guerin | !alot |
| 22:43.01 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 22:43.07 | themill | Haris: haven't we been here before? |
| 22:43.21 | dalias | 90% of 'security holes' are stupid 'information leak', DoS, only-affects-obscure-configuration, etc. "vulns" |
| 22:43.21 | dkr | oh, I thought it might be some cool new acronym |
| 22:43.26 | dalias | and local-only |
| 22:43.27 | themill | !ftp must die |
| 22:43.27 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 22:43.30 | Haris | themill: I'm still looking for those security fixes for php4 |
| 22:43.36 | dalias | with ftpds i'm talking about REMOTE PRIVILEGE ELEVATION vulns |
| 22:43.41 | jelly-home | themill: stop with the fud already |
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| 22:43.51 | jelly-home | there's enough as it is! |
| 22:43.54 | dkr | yeah, I actually just don't use ftp at all. only has proftp installed theother day because of gforge dependency |
| 22:43.55 | Guerin | Haris: use stable and security.debian.org. I bet the debian security team can patch packages better and faster than you. |
| 22:44.15 | Haris | Guerin: I'm not into betting |
| 22:44.26 | Haris | I'll re-check |
| 22:44.32 | dalias | sadly stable lacks some essential things, especially prior to etch |
| 22:44.38 | Haris | but there's no new security version out for php after 10-22 |
| 22:44.39 | stew | themill: it looks good to me, thanks! |
| 22:44.43 | Guerin | Haris: that's unusual for someone with delusions of grandeur. |
| 22:44.58 | themill | stew: cool... I'll fix those typos ;) |
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| 22:45.46 | themill | jelly-home: you like ftp? a crappy old protocol that can't traverse a nat, tries to mangle files by default, can't do on the fly compression blah blah blah? |
| 22:46.05 | Guerin | themill: Fix The Protocol! |
| 22:46.09 | dalias | 1. nat is idiotic |
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| 22:46.19 | dalias | 2. ascii mode and binary mode are the same on any decent ftpd |
| 22:46.27 | Haris | ftp can't tranverse nat? |
| 22:46.28 | Guerin | dalias: perhaps so, but until we have ipv6 we're stuck with it. |
| 22:46.34 | themill | Guerin: heh... use a different protocol ;) |
| 22:46.37 | jelly-home | themill: even linux does correct ftp conntracking for some time now |
| 22:46.40 | Haris | o_O |
| 22:46.58 | jelly-home | themill: sorry, nat too. |
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| 22:47.06 | dalias | and yes ever since the original 'ip masquerade' feature was created, linux has supported ftp thru nat |
| 22:47.07 | themill | jelly-home: and how many consumer modem/routers do that properly? |
| 22:47.11 | Guerin | nat also makes sysadmins' jobs easier |
| 22:47.15 | Haris | Its been said, active mode of ftp is more secure than passive ftp, yet most of the internet uses passive mode of ftp |
| 22:47.20 | dalias | themill, blame the broken consumer shit... |
| 22:47.26 | Guerin | they only have to harden perimeter boxes, thus leaving the inside nice and squishy |
| 22:47.27 | BluesKaj | I'm a bit confused about the permissions system. I setup a passwd and username as required during the install, but now when I was trying to edit the sources.list, I was asked for a root passwd and my login passwd doesn't cut it ...any suggestions ? |
| 22:47.34 | themill | dalias: no, just use a less braindead protocol. |
| 22:47.37 | jelly-home | themill: dunno, I only have one model and it works |
| 22:47.46 | dalias | themill, or use passive mode... |
| 22:47.49 | Haris | who the heck says, ftp doesn't work over nat? |
| 22:48.06 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 22:48.06 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 22:48.07 | dalias | the only flaw in the ftp protocol is being cleartext |
| 22:48.14 | themill | dalias: you can only traverse one nat with passive mode, you can't do two without some sort of conntrack |
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| 22:48.20 | dalias | but if it's just used for anonymous mode it doesn't matter |
| 22:48.25 | Guerin | dalias: wtf? you don't consider separate control and data channels a flaw? |
| 22:48.30 | dalias | no |
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| 22:48.36 | Guerin | dalias: the 1970s wants its design concept back |
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| 22:48.44 | dalias | there's no harm in it anyway |
| 22:48.49 | jelly-home | Haris: ftp is just one of the protocols that requires deeper knowledge and packet munging on the nat router side |
| 22:48.49 | Guerin | hell yeah there is |
| 22:48.58 | Guerin | go and read that ftp must die document |
| 22:49.02 | dalias | i've read it |
| 22:49.07 | dalias | stupid trolling |
| 22:49.09 | Hobbes-- | Does Hewlet-Packard have a presence on Freenode? |
| 22:49.10 | jelly-home | Guerin: it's full of crap |
| 22:49.12 | dalias | since half of it is wrong |
| 22:49.12 | Guerin | read it again, because you didn't get it first time |
| 22:49.13 | Haris | jelly-home: That went over me |
| 22:49.20 | dalias | the ascii thing is bogus |
| 22:49.23 | themill | dalias: which half? |
| 22:49.33 | Guerin | themill: the half he doesn't like |
| 22:49.35 | dalias | and no one sane would have any kind of server behind a nat |
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| 22:49.47 | dalias | so passive mode always works in realworld situations |
| 22:49.49 | Guerin | dalias: patently false. Plenty of people do. |
| 22:49.51 | Haris | dalias: ..that depends |
| 22:50.01 | jelly-home | dalias: I knows a good number of corporations that apparently are not sane |
| 22:50.02 | dalias | and active mode also works if you're not on a crippled connection |
| 22:50.13 | themill | dalias: if I could have $1 etc for each time I've had to unbreak someone's ascii munged data... (i.e. recover from backup)... I wouldn't be sitting here on #d |
| 22:50.23 | dalias | lol |
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| 22:50.30 | Guerin | dalias: a lot of ifs there, brother. There's a real world out there, you realise? |
| 22:50.38 | dalias | anyway ascii mode is the fault of broken implementations |
| 22:50.43 | dalias | not a broken protocol |
| 22:50.44 | jelly-home | themill: I haven't seen MODE A munged data this millennium |
| 22:50.50 | dalias | (both client and server implementations) |
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| 22:50.59 | Guerin | i understand the appeal of nostalgia ... but sometimes old things just need replaced |
| 22:51.01 | dalias | server implementations should treat ascii and binary identically |
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| 22:51.04 | themill | jelly-home: you're lucky then |
| 22:51.09 | dalias | and client implementations should auto-switch to binary |
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| 22:51.25 | Hobbes-- | harris, ftp was created in a different age. It uses multiple connections rather than just one.. And, the address:port in those connections is unknown to the client until the server sends that information.. So, to do FTP over NAT, the NAT machine must go inside the FTP stream and modify the conversation on the fly. |
| 22:51.28 | themill | jelly-home: you must deal with smarter people than me... or don't go anywhere near windoze boxen. |
| 22:51.34 | dalias | in the case of good implementations both of these have already been done for the past 10+ years |
| 22:51.38 | Haris | would why an ftp connection not be able to traverse two nat boxes in its path? |
| 22:52.10 | dalias | i don't particularly love ftp |
| 22:52.17 | themill | I suppose next you're going to try to tell me that cleartext and unauthenticated smtp is a great protocol and is the best way to deliver mail, are you? |
| 22:52.20 | dalias | but that "ftp must die" thing is full of stupid complaints |
| 22:52.23 | Hobbes-- | Haris: wow, why would it be able to? |
| 22:52.31 | wide_awake | stew: I'm going through aptitude to resolve broken pkgs - if there's a pkg with no suitable version, is there anyway to tell what I should do with it? |
| 22:52.33 | dalias | cleartext is dumb |
| 22:52.45 | jelly-home | themill: I have seen shell scripts with \r\n line breaks, but that's user editor's fault... ftp would have fixed that. :-) |
| 22:52.59 | wils0n__ | cleartext is simple, not necessarily dumb... but dumb to use. |
| 22:53.00 | Guerin | jelly-home: hah |
| 22:53.06 | Hobbes-- | FTP really should die. Not just because it's unduely complicated, but also because it's in the clear, etc. Uh.. I don't know of a good ftp replacement. |
| 22:53.12 | dalias | smtp is a good protocol only if used well, and normally it's used stupidly and thus very problematic |
| 22:53.14 | Haris | Hobbes--: As I see it, a nat box is a tranparent box, that changes addresses between connections |
| 22:53.22 | Haris | It should have nothing to do with layer 7 |
| 22:53.28 | Guerin | Hobbes--: sftp/scp. |
| 22:53.29 | Haris | protocols |
| 22:53.29 | dalias | haris, rtfm how ftp works |
| 22:53.39 | Guerin | no excuse to use anything else in 2007 |
| 22:53.52 | dalias | sftp/scp are only for authenticated user logins |
| 22:53.55 | Hobbes-- | haris, see my previous line. FTP sends IPs in the data layer... Not just the IP layer. |
| 22:53.56 | dalias | and they suck |
| 22:53.57 | Guerin | Hobbes--: wouldn't it be nice if the world was simple |
| 22:54.03 | stew | wide_awake: remove it |
| 22:54.05 | dalias | you should always use rsync instead of scp/sftp |
| 22:54.08 | dalias | rsync is much better |
| 22:54.25 | Hobbes-- | Guerin: wtf I can only assume that you accidently put my name in front of that stupid comment. |
| 22:54.26 | jelly-home | sftp eats cpu. I very much prefer ftp to get stuf from anonymous sites |
| 22:54.29 | stew | wide_awake: perhaps after you are done downgrading you can think about backporting |
| 22:54.33 | Guerin | dalias: does rsync require a remote shell? |
| 22:54.37 | Hobbes-- | jelly-home: exactly. |
| 22:54.37 | Haris | sftp is slow |
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| 22:54.39 | Haris | too damn slow |
| 22:54.40 | wide_awake | stew: thanks. |
| 22:54.46 | Guerin | Hobbes--: yes, I did. The platitude was directed at Haris |
| 22:54.48 | dalias | guerin, rsync, scp, and sftp all require remote shells |
| 22:54.55 | Hobbes-- | Guerin: heheh ok. :) :) |
| 22:55.08 | Hobbes-- | bbl |
| 22:55.09 | themill | jelly-home: heh :) It's that it will try to do that on something that on a gif (yep, seen that not pretty), zip file etc esp if the server is trying to be smart about A/I by looking at extensions or something idiotic. |
| 22:55.09 | Guerin | dalias: yes -- I mean a full shell, as opposed to scponly or somesuch. |
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| 22:55.16 | Haris | I collegue of mine was trying to update 80 MB source tree over vpn over a 1 Mbps connection and was waiting and waiting and waiting for like 3+ hrs without any output |
| 22:55.18 | jelly-home | Guerin: [rsync and shell] no, there is a rsync daemon. |
| 22:55.28 | dalias | guerin, an 'rsynconly' shell would work just as well for rsync as the scponly shell works for scp |
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| 22:55.36 | dalias | jelly-home, rsync daemon is not usable |
| 22:55.37 | stew | happy friday! |
| 22:55.45 | dalias | jelly-home, it's insecure. |
| 22:55.47 | BluesKaj | trying to add debs to the sources.list but root password refuse me ...haven't seen root password before |
| 22:55.49 | Guerin | jelly-home: mm, there is too. I only use it for automated backups. |
| 22:55.53 | dalias | rsync should be used only over ssh |
| 22:56.01 | jelly-home | dalias: it's very usable for me |
| 22:56.04 | dalias | likewise for cvs |
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| 22:56.06 | linkslice | if I have a sarge version, and want to upgrade mysql, is this the way to do it: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade mysql |
| 22:56.08 | themill | stew: yeah... and I was looking forward to a quiet evening of relaxation... |
| 22:56.11 | dalias | jelly-home, it's cleartext.... |
| 22:56.16 | jelly-home | dalias: so what? |
| 22:56.22 | Guerin | dalias: the daemon still has to be running on the remote box. ssh is just the auth mechanism. |
| 22:56.31 | dalias | guerin, nope. no daemon |
| 22:56.34 | dalias | it's done like scp |
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| 22:56.39 | BluesKaj | !info root password |
| 22:56.40 | dalias | not thru tunneling |
| 22:56.49 | stew | themill: my wife will be taking me to a bar where she can watch the redsox |
| 22:57.01 | BluesKaj | !root |
| 22:57.01 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 22:57.05 | Guerin | stew: abrotman will be lonely in #d-o |
| 22:57.05 | dalias | rsync-over-ssh is the best protocol for file transfer |
| 22:57.05 | jelly-home | dalias: I don't care that my downloaded debs come over the net in cleartext. or that two servers on local lan rsync the trees in cleartext |
| 22:57.28 | dalias | jelly-home, as long as it's readonly access to nonprivate data, rsyncd is okay |
| 22:57.39 | dalias | except you have to worry about potential vulns in the daemon... |
| 22:57.43 | stew | Guerin: something tells me, he'll manage |
| 22:57.43 | themill | stew: I'm not sure whether you're happy about that or not .... but have a nice evening ;) |
| 22:57.44 | BluesKaj | !root password |
| 22:57.45 | Guerin | dalias: hm. how does this work with your desire to use computers from the mid-90s with a maximum 32MB ram? Wouldn't it get a bit slow? |
| 22:57.49 | jelly-home | dalias: like with any daemon |
| 22:57.53 | mubl | BluesKaj: more likely enter your own password to get superuser rights (man sudo) |
| 22:58.04 | Guerin | stew: indeed. THough much of that depends on the result of the game. |
| 22:58.04 | dalias | guerin, how does what work? rsync over ssh? |
| 22:58.10 | stew | themill: the only redsox friendly place in brooklyn has an outstanding variety of beer on tap |
| 22:58.26 | themill | !tell BluesKaj about i forgot root's password |
| 22:58.31 | Guerin | dalias: i mean ... aren't p2-233 boxen with 32MB a bit slow for transferring data over ssh? |
| 22:58.36 | dalias | no |
| 22:58.38 | dalias | blowfish is plenty fast |
| 22:58.44 | stew | Guerin: if it goes badly, i'll have bigger problems on my hands than abrotman |
| 22:58.55 | cast | for values of fast that don't saturate your 100mbps nic |
| 22:59.04 | dalias | i've never seen significant cpu load from ssh traffic |
| 22:59.13 | GreaseMonkey | hey, i upgraded from kernel 2.6.18-5 to kernel 2.6.21-3 but it screwed grub up. i am running 2.6.18-5 right now. do you know how to configure 2.6.21-3 to use /dev/hdb3 as root, and (hd1,2) as boot ? |
| 22:59.19 | jelly-home | Guerin: careful choosing of cipher (blowfish) results in reduced cpu usage for ssh even on older machines |
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| 22:59.21 | Guerin | stew: heh. NZ's sporting events for the year are practically over. All Blacks out of the RUgby World cup in the quarter-finals. The nation is in mourning. |
| 22:59.23 | mubl | BluesKaj: oops my advice rubbish (thought i was in #ubuntu) |
| 22:59.32 | GreaseMonkey | i know how to fix 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.18-5. |
| 22:59.33 | themill | stew: half your luck... everyone at work piked on me tonight. Very sad. |
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| 23:00.07 | GreaseMonkey | what's the difference between an all-black and a teabag? the teabag stays in the cup longer |
| 23:00.21 | jelly-home | BluesKaj: are you looking for "/msg dpkg i forgot root password"? |
| 23:00.26 | stew | i sadly never got around to watching any the RWC |
| 23:00.36 | themill | jelly-home: just did a !tell on that one |
| 23:00.43 | BluesKaj | yeah, mubl , i just migrated from kubuntu , so I'm not totally familiar with debian permissions |
| 23:01.29 | jelly-home | themill: ah, I'm starting to drop lines. sure sign the bed is calling me. |
| 23:01.29 | Guerin | stew: it's still on. |
| 23:01.40 | BluesKaj | jelly-home: I don't remember ever being asked to set a "root password " |
| 23:01.59 | themill | jelly-home: yeah... the S/N is poor at present.... |
| 23:02.00 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: hey, that's no choke! |
| 23:02.01 | BluesKaj | user name and password , but not a root password |
| 23:02.06 | jelly-home | BluesKaj: initial installation would have asked you |
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| 23:02.21 | GreaseMonkey | anyways, i have a problem |
| 23:02.33 | GreaseMonkey | doing an apt-get dist-upgrade screwed grub up. |
| 23:02.36 | themill | BluesKaj: you are running debian and not knoppix or ubuntu or something, aren't you? |
| 23:02.47 | GreaseMonkey | i know how to fix grub for 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.18-5. |
| 23:02.58 | GreaseMonkey | but how do i get 2.6.21.3 to work? |
| 23:03.13 | GreaseMonkey | boot device is (hd1,0) or /dev/hdb1 |
| 23:03.19 | themill | GreaseMonkey: what does .21 do? is there a spot it stops? |
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| 23:03.23 | themill | GreaseMonkey: an error message? |
| 23:03.37 | GreaseMonkey | themill: it says it can't mount the root partition |
| 23:03.44 | GreaseMonkey | root device is (hd1,2) or /dev/hdb3 |
| 23:03.47 | mubl | BluesKaj: did you try your own password |
| 23:04.03 | wols | recreate your initrd GreaseMonkey |
| 23:04.10 | wols | also check that your root= is alright |
| 23:04.11 | BluesKaj | mubl: yes |
| 23:04.16 | GreaseMonkey | wols, how do i recreate it? |
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| 23:04.19 | wols | and I guess this is a debian kernel |
| 23:04.22 | themill | !can't mount root |
| 23:04.22 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 23:04.25 | GreaseMonkey | yes, it's a debian kernel |
| 23:04.26 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure the kernel |
| 23:04.37 | GreaseMonkey | ok. |
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| 23:05.01 | themill | GreaseMonkey: also, /msg dpkg waiting for the root filesystem (just to be sure it's not that error) |
| 23:05.06 | GreaseMonkey | oh yeah, it doesn't have an initrd >.< |
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| 23:06.13 | GreaseMonkey | ben:/boot/grub# dpkg-reconfigure kernel |
| 23:06.13 | GreaseMonkey | Package `kernel' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 23:07.02 | themill | GreaseMonkey: you have to put the name of your kernel package in there.... |
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| 23:07.26 | mikefoo | If I wanted to execute a simple script at boot, what file would I place the script in? |
| 23:07.28 | themill | GreaseMonkey: linux-image-2.6.21-3-686 (or something like that) |
| 23:07.31 | GreaseMonkey | ok. |
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| 23:07.47 | Guerin | mikefoo: /msg dpkg bootmisc |
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| 23:08.05 | mikefoo | i didn't get a msg... |
| 23:08.20 | mikefoo | or im suppose to do that? lol |
| 23:08.21 | mubl | BluesKaj: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/root.htm |
| 23:08.27 | Guerin | mikefoo: you are. |
| 23:08.48 | GreaseMonkey | themill, i tried, it failed. |
| 23:08.51 | mikefoo | yeah I used rc.local on rh/fedora |
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| 23:09.04 | GreaseMonkey | actually, did debian ever release 2.6.21.3? |
| 23:09.04 | Guerin | mikefoo: same/same |
| 23:09.33 | GreaseMonkey | i think i might have both a debian kernel and a stock kernel |
| 23:09.47 | themill | GreaseMonkey: it won't be called that though. Turn on tab completion or use apt-cache to search. Don't just guess. |
| 23:09.55 | GreaseMonkey | ok. |
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| 23:11.54 | mikefoo | going to buy a bash book, love me some bash =) |
| 23:12.41 | mubl | BluesKaj: BluesKaj: once you got a shell, do "passwd root" |
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| 23:16.24 | marcus_ | hello guys, I'm wondering if there is such a program that makes pretending a keyboard being to keyboards possible. I'm wondering this coz I would like one of my screens running a terminal and the other one running gnome, and when I hit a certain key combination it would swap screen.. thanks |
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| 23:17.34 | jnvilo | hi, how do i take down eth0:1 , i created it by doing ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.2 |
| 23:17.34 | GreaseMonkey | heh, turns out it's a stock kernel |
| 23:17.34 | GreaseMonkey | but it's working |
| 23:17.34 | GreaseMonkey | ifconfig eth0:1 down |
| 23:17.48 | GreaseMonkey | but thanks for your help anyway |
| 23:17.59 | jnvilo | GreaseMonkey: thanks |
| 23:18.10 | mikefoo | Anyone have an idea how I would apply the postfix vda patch (enable quotas) with debian? |
| 23:18.28 | spq | yes |
| 23:18.40 | GreaseMonkey | oh crap |
| 23:18.43 | GreaseMonkey | i just realised |
| 23:18.45 | spq | apply the patch and create a debian package from it |
| 23:18.48 | GreaseMonkey | i'm still running 2.6.18-5 |
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| 23:19.05 | mikefoo | spq: ahh yeah Im confused on how to do that, heh |
| 23:19.06 | spq | i have a postfix wit hthe vda patch running |
| 23:19.21 | spq | hmm, the postfix package has a patch management |
| 23:19.36 | mikefoo | yeah? where could I find that? |
| 23:19.59 | spq | hmm, i dont remember how i had done it |
| 23:20.04 | mikefoo | heh.. |
| 23:20.24 | mikefoo | spq: did you go with virtual account, mysql backend? |
| 23:20.49 | spq | pgsql backend |
| 23:20.54 | BluesKaj | !grub |
| 23:20.54 | dpkg | grub is, like, the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 23:21.03 | spq | and virtual accounts yea |
| 23:21.19 | mikefoo | spq: cool, what popd/imapd did you end up using? |
| 23:21.36 | spq | courier |
| 23:21.39 | mikefoo | the new dovecot 1.X is impossible to get working =( |
| 23:21.40 | spq | works fine |
| 23:21.53 | Tramp | NOT recommendend with XFS is a misinformation |
| 23:22.02 | mikefoo | im thinking of switching to courier, I have dovecot .99 working now.. |
| 23:22.09 | BluesKaj | mubl: do the instructions for lilo apply to grub as well ? |
| 23:22.11 | mikefoo | courier is just imap right, no pop? |
| 23:22.41 | spq | no pop also |
| 23:22.45 | BluesKaj | mubl: for the root password edit ? |
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| 23:23.19 | Guerin | Tramp: does it know xfs properly yet, or do you still need a /boot on some other fs? |
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| 23:23.48 | themill | Tramp: As I understand it, the grub in sarge is too old for safe xfs. http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#grubwork |
| 23:24.19 | Tramp | Guerin: it works since 0.97 (at least) with XFS - basically I quote here literally from SGI's XFS FAQ |
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| 23:24.43 | wide_awake | thanks for the help folks. later. |
| 23:24.58 | Guerin | Tramp: ah, cool. |
| 23:25.24 | Tramp | themill: well, the grub in sarge .... |
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| 23:25.57 | Tramp | Guerin: yes, exactly the link themill posted. |
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| 23:26.04 | spq | mikefoo, apt-get source postfix; add the patch; dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:26.29 | mikefoo | how about the postfix-mysql? |
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| 23:26.46 | mikefoo | just install that like normal from apt? |
| 23:26.48 | spq | this one is generated |
| 23:26.53 | spq | no |
| 23:26.55 | Guerin | dpkg, no, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97. See http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 23:26.56 | helloyo | hey guys, i'm considering returning to debian, just wondering how hard it is to setup certain things these days. eg, bootsplash and nvidia? |
| 23:26.56 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 23:26.59 | themill | Tramp: note that there are also a lot of debian grub+xfs bugs (also ubuntu) and that the grub-install script is reported to fail. |
| 23:27.14 | themill | Guerin: ^^ |
| 23:27.26 | Guerin | themill: are they in that link you posted? |
| 23:27.38 | spq | you create some .debs, the postfix-mysql is one of the created ones |
| 23:28.02 | themill | Guerin: no... bugs.debian.org/grub ... e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=239111 |
| 23:28.25 | themill | they are really old bugs with fairly recent additions and haven't been closed yet |
| 23:28.34 | Guerin | dpkg, no, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 23:28.34 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 23:28.41 | Guerin | more betterer |
| 23:28.45 | themill | :) |
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| 23:29.04 | Guerin | educating dpkg is great justice |
| 23:29.07 | themill | the more bts references in factoids the better |
| 23:29.14 | Guerin | themill: fuckin'a |
| 23:29.33 | DawnLight | i've finally gotten my irrigation valves controller to work. it is now connected to the serial port of a lovely pentiumii box i've found in a street! i've used gtkterm to talk with it since i know it's protocol, and it responds as expected! exciting! now i need to work out the irrigation software. any ideas? cron seems right for the job but i've yet to learn how to send data to the serial port using cli commands |
| 23:29.38 | Tramp | perfect 8) |
| 23:30.17 | Guerin | DawnLight: awesome. |
| 23:30.30 | Guerin | DawnLight: use minicom or somesuch. |
| 23:30.40 | helloyo | is it hard to setup my NVIDIA card and a bootsplash in debian these days? |
| 23:30.48 | themill | ok... night all! |
| 23:30.52 | Guerin | helloyo: bootsplash is always hard |
| 23:30.56 | themill | dpkg: g'night |
| 23:30.56 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 23:32.02 | DawnLight | Guerin: i can use minicom, but i don't know if that would be necessary. can't i just echo stuff to the device? |
| 23:32.11 | Guerin | DawnLight: you can, yes. |
| 23:32.20 | helloyo | Guerin: well its not really a necessity. just trying to decide on a solid distro again. i'm happy with anything, but i'll eventually setup what i use on my bosses, girlfriends, and mum's computer |
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| 23:34.01 | DawnLight | Guerin: do you know how it determines the baud rate and such when i just echo stuff? |
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| 23:35.43 | silent[ca] | Why doesn't the vga=XXX flag do anything in this kernel? |
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| 23:36.21 | DawnLight | and another thing is that i need to send hex, and the echo sends my symbols as symbols... |
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| 23:38.06 | Guerin | DawnLight: no idea. Others in here forgot more than I'll ever know about serial communication' |
| 23:38.20 | Guerin | silent[ca]: because of the reason. |
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| 23:39.04 | DawnLight | don't tell him about the reason! |
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| 23:42.22 | mikearthur | how would I do "/usr/bin/echo disk > /sys/power/state" as a command to sudo? I can't work out how to run it... |
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| 23:43.02 | \amethyst | mikearthur: sudo sh -c "/usr/bin/echo disk > /sys/power/state" |
| 23:43.18 | \amethyst | mikearthur: since the redirection is done by the shell, the shell itself has to be privileged |
| 23:43.26 | mikearthur | ok |
| 23:44.09 | mikearthur | \amethyst: how can I add that to the sudoers file though? |
| 23:44.28 | mikearthur | doesn't like 'mike ALL = NOPASSWD: sh -c "/usr/bin/echo disk > /sys/power/state"' |
| 23:44.35 | \amethyst | mikearthur: write a script to do /usr/bin/echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 23:44.44 | mikearthur | \amethyst: ok, cheers |
| 23:45.02 | silent[ca] | Guerin, what reason exactly? and what can be done about it? I get a blank screen using vga flags, and my system crashes without it |
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| 23:46.07 | Guerin | silent[ca]: impossible to know without knowing what's different in the kernel. All I can say is that it was probably built with the wrog options, and you should use a debian kernel instead (wwhere it works). |
| 23:46.23 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 23:46.36 | silent[ca] | Guerin, its 2.6.22 |
| 23:46.40 | Guerin | mm, the niceness police deleted it |
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| 23:46.57 | Guerin | silent[ca]: don't mean a damn thing. |
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| 23:48.12 | silent[ca] | Guerin, wouldn't options for setting screen dimensions work universally? |
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| 23:48.43 | vin` | silent[ca]: CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT |
| 23:49.08 | silent[ca] | vin`, explain |
| 23:49.44 | vin` | silent[ca]: did you build this kernel yourself? |
| 23:49.50 | silent[ca] | vin`, NO |
| 23:49.53 | silent[ca] | sorry caps |
| 23:49.59 | silent[ca] | googled that |
| 23:50.15 | Guerin | silent[ca]: it's a debian kernel? |
| 23:50.30 | silent[ca] | Guerin, it is of debian |
| 23:50.34 | Guerin | freakshow |
| 23:51.01 | Guerin | silent[ca]: i take it all back. Check the changelog. vga= working in debian kernels is one of the eternal laws of the universe. |
| 23:51.38 | silent[ca] | Guerin, well some one broke it |
| 23:51.59 | vin` | silent[ca]: what does grep CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT /boot/config-`uname -r` say? |
| 23:52.54 | silent[ca] | I would love to do that... but it might take a while since there's no guarantee I'll boot to tty |
| 23:53.05 | silent[ca] | it might just randomly freeze in a random function |
| 23:53.06 | Guerin | silent[ca]: in other news, MIT announced the construction of the world's first perpetual motion machine this morning. |
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| 23:53.59 | silent[ca] | vin`, I can try that command, but I'd have to reboot, anything else i should try/look for while I'm in linux able to type? |
| 23:54.06 | vin` | silent[ca]: is the machine booted off another kernel now? |
| 23:54.09 | silent[ca] | assuming it stays that way long enough |
| 23:54.20 | silent[ca] | vin`, I'm in windows, and not happy about it |
| 23:54.30 | vin` | narf |
| 23:55.04 | silent[ca] | vin`, I would install a stable kernel if the apt-get would last long enough... but I know the framebuffer will crash |
| 23:55.22 | vin` | silent[ca]: and X doesn't work either? |
| 23:55.34 | silent[ca] | vin`, X isnt installed |
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| 23:57.14 | vin` | silent[ca]: if vga=foo ain't working, no point checking then, just install something that works and do the checking later |
| 23:57.15 | alaya__ | silent[ca]: try booting and and appending the boot line with vga=1 |
| 23:57.38 | silent[ca] | vin`, etch worked fine |
| 23:57.56 | vin` | silent[ca]: then how did you end up with just this broken kernel? |
| 23:58.05 | silent[ca] | vin`, reinstall |
| 23:58.45 | silent[ca] | I like to install base before apt-getting everything I want because I assume that the most basic things will work |
| 23:58.50 | alaya__ | Guerin: is that true, the MIT thing? |
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| 23:59.36 | silent[ca] | alaya__, it's probably geared to detonate, killing dozens.... you know how MIT is with it's pranks recently |
| 23:59.56 | comsa | perpetual motion when u start u carnt stop -^- |
