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| 00:00.27 | alaya__ | maybe its some nano-molecular thing that has to be frozen to absolute 0 to work |
| 00:00.30 | silent[ca] | alaya__, what will vga=1 do? |
| 00:00.46 | alaya__ | silent[ca]: its a safe non-fb mode that should work. |
| 00:00.46 | silent[ca] | alaya__, at absolute zero it wouldn't exist |
| 00:00.53 | silent[ca] | ok thanks |
| 00:01.06 | Guerin | alaya__: yes. of course, Newton's law has been disproved for hours now! |
| 00:01.40 | alaya__ | good to know |
| 00:01.50 | silent[ca] | I'll come back with results from vga=1, and CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 00:03.45 | alaya__ | i sensed that it was broken today. somehow. |
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| 00:06.45 | stiv2k | so why is ndiswrapper brokein in 2.6.23? |
| 00:07.04 | Guerin | because of the reason. |
| 00:07.13 | stiv2k | hmm? |
| 00:07.18 | Guerin | why do people always ask stupid questions? |
| 00:07.34 | vin` | because of the reason. |
| 00:07.43 | Guerin | quite right. |
| 00:07.44 | stiv2k | by what means is that a stupid question? |
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| 00:08.13 | Guerin | stiv2k: in what manner is it broken? Be specific. |
| 00:08.16 | azeem | stiv2k: probably 2.6.23 changed some internals and ndiswrapper needs to catch with a new releases |
| 00:08.20 | Guerin | stiv2k: /msg dpkg smart questions. |
| 00:08.23 | alaya__ | focus on asking a new, better one, not rectifying the old one... |
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| 00:09.04 | klhrevolutionist | howto play .mp4 ?? |
| 00:09.14 | stiv2k | Guerin: well it's a known issue i just want to get a little more info if anyone knew |
| 00:09.17 | stiv2k | uh |
| 00:09.20 | Guerin | klhrevolutionist: with a media player. They're nothing special. |
| 00:09.29 | silent[ca] | alaya__ vga=1 tried... it tried so hard... but the display was forced back to default by something |
| 00:09.31 | alaya__ | stiv2k: check the BTS system perhaps |
| 00:09.37 | stiv2k | trying to restart eth2 it says operation not supported |
| 00:09.38 | silent[ca] | about 2 seconds into bood |
| 00:09.40 | silent[ca] | boot* |
| 00:09.55 | Guerin | stiv2k: try vga=normal |
| 00:09.57 | silent[ca] | 5 seconds later it hung loading something. tottally dead |
| 00:09.58 | Guerin | argh |
| 00:10.06 | Guerin | silent[ca]: ↑ |
| 00:10.31 | silent[ca] | I'll try |
| 00:10.53 | klhrevolutionist | Guerin: (g)mplayer: Error opening/initalizing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 00:10.56 | Guerin | stiv2k: now we're cooking. It's probably not a debian packageing problem, since it installs and tries to work. Sounds like what azeem said. |
| 00:11.15 | Guerin | klhrevolutionist: mplayer is not configured correctly; nothing to do with the file you're trying to play. |
| 00:11.16 | azeem | 2.6.23 isn't in unstable yet anyway, is it? |
| 00:11.24 | Guerin | klhrevolutionist: try -vo xv |
| 00:11.33 | klhrevolutionist | mplayer works fine for any other file I've player |
| 00:11.39 | Guerin | oh, i don't know |
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| 00:11.54 | Guerin | klhrevolutionist: what vo device is it trying to use? |
| 00:11.58 | alaya__ | azeem: no |
| 00:12.27 | klhrevolutionist | Guerin: corrected vo |
| 00:12.30 | klhrevolutionist | thanks |
| 00:12.41 | Guerin | klhrevolutionist: welcome. |
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| 00:19.15 | jae | Is debian-unofficial.org being maintained? If not, what does everyone use for packages that can't go in the official archive? |
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| 00:23.32 | tpa-teg | how can I remove a package but also all it's dependencies which aren't used by any other package, is this possible with apt? |
| 00:24.40 | azeem | tpa-teg: with the latest one, you can apt-get remove <package>; apt-get autoremove |
| 00:24.46 | wols | tpa-teg: it's a feature of aptitude |
| 00:24.49 | azeem | tpa-teg: doesn't work on etch yet |
| 00:25.01 | azeem | but yeah, aptitude can do it on stable as well |
| 00:25.42 | tpa-teg | azeem: so, can I do it with aptitude on etch? |
| 00:26.04 | wols | only if you have installed the packages with aptitude too |
| 00:26.24 | tpa-teg | ok, thanks |
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| 00:33.43 | sayers | besides a clean install is there a way to remove all the non-essential packages and or look at the installed packages? |
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| 00:34.29 | Guerin | stiv2k: not really. You could write a script to remove all packages which aren't `essential' or `required' or something |
| 00:34.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:34.33 | Guerin | sayers: ↑ |
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| 00:34.45 | Guerin | sayers: the sane way is to use debfoster or deborphan, though. |
| 00:34.55 | sayers | Guerin, and what are those? |
| 00:34.56 | stoned | yay, ramadan is over! yay |
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| 00:35.15 | Matts | are there frontends so manage a Linux based loadbalancer ? |
| 00:35.16 | Guerin | stoned: you're allowed bacon sammiches again! |
| 00:35.25 | stoned | heh |
| 00:35.28 | stoned | turkey bacon, sure |
| 00:35.39 | Guerin | sayers: they let you delete packages with relative ease. |
| 00:35.58 | hoooi | how can i see who is logged in on my linux machine? and maybe their ip's |
| 00:36.01 | sayers | Guerin, which is better? |
| 00:36.07 | stoned | who? |
| 00:36.07 | Guerin | hoooi: w, who, etc. |
| 00:36.13 | stoned | word |
| 00:36.15 | Guerin | stoned: they have different purposes. |
| 00:36.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:36.20 | sayers | hehe |
| 00:36.26 | sayers | you need to work out your auto-tab man |
| 00:36.42 | Guerin | either that or you lot need to change your nicks |
| 00:36.50 | sayers | haha |
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| 00:36.58 | stoned | lazy bastidge |
| 00:37.09 | Guerin | stoned: your point is what? |
| 00:37.15 | stoned | hahaha |
| 00:37.23 | stoned | exactly |
| 00:37.48 | stoned | what are you researching? |
| 00:39.21 | sayers | debian:/home/steven# aptitude |
| 00:39.22 | sayers | Segmentation fault |
| 00:39.22 | sayers | eek |
| 00:39.27 | sayers | that evil laptop is gone evil on me |
| 00:41.03 | Guerin | stoned: a particularly evil hate campaign in the media against Helen Clark |
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| 00:42.56 | TrueDD | bye all |
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| 00:43.22 | S4nD3r | how to convert flv files to avi or mpeg? |
| 00:44.52 | Guerin | S4nD3r: you have a lot to learn about video formats before you can attempt that. flv is a codec, avi and mpeg are container formats. |
| 00:45.27 | Guerin | S4nD3r: you probably mean `how do I convert flv to xvid or divx or mpeg-2' or something. The answer is with transcode or mencoder. |
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| 00:45.43 | Guerin | (or you could just use ffmpeg on its own) |
| 00:46.15 | S4nD3r | transcode or mencoder |
| 00:46.17 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 00:46.20 | S4nD3r | i will read about |
| 00:46.33 | Guerin | S4nD3r: there are guides on the interwebs about it. |
| 00:47.03 | S4nD3r | flv is read by windows mediaplayer? |
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| 00:48.17 | S4nD3r | tell me a transcode sintaxe to try here |
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| 00:49.24 | Guerin | S4nD3r: goooooogle |
| 00:49.33 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 00:49.36 | S4nD3r | ok then |
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| 00:51.31 | Networkgamer | how can i use usb to access internet in debian instead of ethernet? |
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| 00:52.07 | qmr | Networkgamer: go spend a whopping $2 on a 10/100 nic |
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| 00:52.12 | Networkgamer | cant |
| 00:52.14 | Networkgamer | no money |
| 00:52.29 | Networkgamer | and dont know of anywhere local that actually sells old computer stuff |
| 00:52.30 | qmr | I'm sure you could take some kids lunch money |
| 00:52.38 | Networkgamer | not at my school |
| 00:52.42 | Networkgamer | my schools dirt broke |
| 00:52.49 | Networkgamer | and i dont goto school for another 9 days |
| 00:53.02 | azeem | and you have a USB network adapter? |
| 00:53.07 | Networkgamer | but i need this computer internet ready in 2 days |
| 00:53.11 | Networkgamer | nah |
| 00:53.16 | Networkgamer | i have a router with usb |
| 00:53.21 | Networkgamer | and the right usb cord |
| 00:53.31 | azeem | that is probably a printer port |
| 00:53.36 | Networkgamer | same cord |
| 00:53.39 | Networkgamer | its usb though |
| 00:53.40 | azeem | or rather, to be used as network printer |
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| 00:53.48 | azeem | Networkgamer: printers are usb these days |
| 00:53.52 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 00:54.01 | Networkgamer | its a square usb to normal pc usb |
| 00:54.12 | azeem | Networkgamer: did you read the router manual? |
| 00:54.16 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 00:54.19 | Networkgamer | nothing about linux |
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| 00:54.43 | Networkgamer | and nothing about usb |
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| 00:54.49 | azeem | and about printing? |
| 00:54.52 | Networkgamer | but it came with the cord |
| 00:54.59 | Networkgamer | printing? |
| 00:55.08 | Networkgamer | what about printing? |
| 00:55.29 | azeem | ask your router manufacturer about it |
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| 00:55.39 | Networkgamer | i just need this computer to access router/internet over usb |
| 00:55.48 | Networkgamer | instead of ethernet |
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| 00:56.04 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 00:56.04 | dpkg | hmm... nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 00:56.30 | Networkgamer | well its a debian system |
| 00:56.56 | Guerin | Networkgamer: the debian system appears to be working, no? It's the modem which isn't. |
| 00:57.03 | Networkgamer | no |
| 00:57.06 | Networkgamer | modem works fine |
| 00:57.10 | Networkgamer | i can use usb in windows |
| 00:57.21 | Networkgamer | and access internet |
| 00:57.44 | Guerin | Networkgamer: figure out how to install the modem on a linux box (if such is possible) and we'll tell you how to use it in debian. |
| 00:57.47 | azeem | via usb via the router? |
| 00:57.57 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 00:58.00 | Networkgamer | in windows |
| 00:58.06 | Guerin | the daisy-chane of appliances is most definitely NOFP |
| 00:58.09 | Guerin | chain, too |
| 00:58.09 | Networkgamer | i can connect the pc and router over usb and access internet |
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| 00:58.28 | Networkgamer | the only difference is windows vs debian |
| 00:58.35 | Networkgamer | windows works fine |
| 00:58.44 | Networkgamer | but not debian |
| 00:58.54 | Networkgamer | also,it doesnt have any free pci card slots |
| 00:59.17 | Guerin | Networkgamer: the thing you don't seem to get is that this hardware probably requires a *driver*. If you didn't get a debian driver with it, you have to find out whether one exists. Do that and we'll tell you how to install it. |
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| 00:59.36 | Networkgamer | i know how to install stuff in linux |
| 00:59.44 | Guerin | so fucking do it already |
| 00:59.47 | Networkgamer | i was wondering if generic linux can use usb for internet |
| 00:59.56 | Guerin | the answer is `it depends' |
| 01:00.05 | Networkgamer | and i ask "on what"? |
| 01:00.06 | Guerin | some modems work, some don't |
| 01:00.09 | Guerin | find out which yours is |
| 01:00.20 | Networkgamer | its a 2wire 2701hg-d |
| 01:00.28 | Guerin | Networkgamer: so fucking google it |
| 01:00.29 | karsten | Networkgamer: It depends on the support for the specific device (technically, the chipset) in question. |
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| 01:00.36 | Guerin | are we your personal hardware compatibility list? |
| 01:00.39 | karsten | Guerin: Manners, my dear sir. |
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| 01:02.00 | Networkgamer | nothing so far |
| 01:02.22 | karsten | Guerin: /msg |
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| 01:04.36 | karsten | Networkgamer: Does lspci list your USB NIC? |
| 01:05.10 | azeem | karsten: wouldn't that be lsusb? |
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| 01:05.29 | karsten | azeem: Dunno. I don't use USB nics. |
| 01:06.55 | Networkgamer | neither finds a specific device |
| 01:06.59 | Networkgamer | usb or network |
| 01:07.08 | Networkgamer | only thing either found was a 56k modem |
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| 01:09.44 | Networkgamer | cant find anything about the router and linux |
| 01:09.49 | Networkgamer | let alone usb at all |
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| 01:10.43 | Azar | hello honorables!!! |
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| 01:11.19 | Azar | I am appaled!!! first they recall toys, then food, then lipsticks, now : Hard Drives! |
| 01:11.28 | Azar | they might ban import of HD |
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| 01:14.17 | azeem | Networkgamer: monitor dmesg while you plug it in |
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| 01:15.50 | Networkgamer | ok its connected |
| 01:15.56 | Networkgamer | it knows a device is on usb |
| 01:16.02 | Networkgamer | but doesnt know what to do with it |
| 01:16.12 | Networkgamer | no configuration chosen from 1 choice |
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| 01:19.45 | Networkgamer | ok |
| 01:19.58 | Networkgamer | i connected another router to power |
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| 01:20.12 | Networkgamer | and hooked THAT router to usb |
| 01:20.19 | Networkgamer | on the other computer |
| 01:20.23 | Networkgamer | and it found its name |
| 01:20.25 | Networkgamer | but same thing |
| 01:21.03 | Azar | this sounds like on that story: got a place, got a girl, but now he does not know what to do about |
| 01:21.19 | azeem | Azar: if you don't want to help, just keep out of it |
| 01:21.25 | Azar | sorry |
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| 01:21.47 | Networkgamer | azeem:can you help then? |
| 01:21.49 | azeem | cause that line was pretty derogatory IMO |
| 01:22.10 | azeem | Networkgamer: no, because I've no idea what "no configuration chosen from 1 choice" comes from, e.g. |
| 01:22.13 | Networkgamer | Azar:were you pointing out you know what to do? |
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| 01:22.17 | Azar | you mean offensive? |
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| 01:22.33 | Networkgamer | the situation you made up |
| 01:22.46 | Networkgamer | pretty much any guy would know what to do in that specific situation |
| 01:22.52 | Azar | Networkgamer: I read and re-read your stuff, trying to figure out what is on that usb.. |
| 01:22.55 | Networkgamer | were you saying its an obvious fix to you? |
| 01:23.05 | Networkgamer | thanks Azar |
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| 01:23.57 | azeem | Networkgamer: to reiterate, you plug a regular USB cable into your box and your router, and when you boot Windows, you can connect to the internet through it, but not when booting Debian? |
| 01:24.10 | Networkgamer | perfect |
| 01:24.16 | Networkgamer | thats it |
| 01:24.20 | Azar | Networkgamer: sorry to ask, I got in late, what are you connecting to what ont that usb? |
| 01:24.38 | Networkgamer | i have a pc with no ethernet |
| 01:24.43 | Networkgamer | and it has windows and debian |
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| 01:24.52 | Networkgamer | and i want to connect to internet with usb cable |
| 01:25.07 | Networkgamer | with my router |
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| 01:25.21 | Azar | is the router a d-link type? |
| 01:25.25 | Networkgamer | nah |
| 01:25.29 | Networkgamer | 2wire 2701-hg |
| 01:25.46 | Azar | it has some kind of online configuration? |
| 01:25.52 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 01:25.55 | Networkgamer | its setup for internet |
| 01:26.03 | Networkgamer | i just need to connect to it through usb |
| 01:26.06 | Networkgamer | in linux |
| 01:26.13 | Networkgamer | and its not hardware |
| 01:26.15 | Azar | I had same thing, the configuration screen will not see the Debian system, but sees the box, is ok |
| 01:26.17 | Networkgamer | cause it works in windows |
| 01:26.27 | Azar | kinda like "nameless system" |
| 01:26.30 | azeem | which configuration screen? |
| 01:26.35 | Networkgamer | and dmesg and lsusb point to it not kowing its a router |
| 01:26.46 | Networkgamer | knowing* |
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| 01:27.09 | Azar | azeem, I assume he has same issue I had back when I used windows +debian... you can configure the router online only via the windows box, not the debian box |
| 01:27.21 | Networkgamer | well |
| 01:27.31 | Networkgamer | i could connect through ethernet |
| 01:27.33 | Networkgamer | in linux |
| 01:27.41 | Networkgamer | except the pc itself has no ethernet |
| 01:27.44 | Azar | so that means to reach the configuration site, you gotta work from windows |
| 01:27.56 | Networkgamer | i have it configured |
| 01:28.08 | Networkgamer | the problem is configuring debian to use a usb router |
| 01:28.18 | Azar | did you tried to configure for dialup, not broadband? |
| 01:28.22 | azeem | Networkgamer: I don't think thaT's trivial |
| 01:28.28 | Networkgamer | well |
| 01:28.35 | Networkgamer | i "can" do that |
| 01:28.40 | Networkgamer | but its qwest highspeed |
| 01:28.46 | azeem | I suggest you try to find resources on the internet |
| 01:28.47 | Networkgamer | and i dont know the number to dial to access it |
| 01:28.52 | Networkgamer | i tried |
| 01:28.55 | azeem | Networkgamer: no, it's the router |
| 01:28.57 | Networkgamer | nothing about the router and linux |
| 01:29.09 | Networkgamer | let alone anything about usb |
| 01:29.13 | azeem | the router deals with qwest I assume, you need to deal with the router |
| 01:29.17 | Guerin | take the fucking thing back and get a real modem, one with an ethernet cable. |
| 01:29.21 | shogunx | Networkgamer, do you have an open pci slot? nic cards are really cheap these days. |
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| 01:29.25 | Networkgamer | all i have is a cd with the windows usb driver and the cord and router |
| 01:29.29 | Azar | most routers at least "used" not to "see" the linux systems, but they do work nice with linux |
| 01:29.30 | Networkgamer | i would |
| 01:29.33 | azeem | Guerin: where do you make up this modem stuff all the time? |
| 01:29.35 | Networkgamer | but no money or free pci slot |
| 01:29.36 | silent[ca] | I have an issue booting. I can boot with the "noapic" option, but without the boot freezes in places. How can I fix this? |
| 01:29.52 | Tramp | Guerin: his modem has ethernet, his PC has not. |
| 01:29.53 | shogunx | you dont have $4? |
| 01:29.58 | Guerin | azeem: was he not talking about some stupid sort of usb modem? That's how he introduced it, i didn't make it up. |
| 01:30.01 | Networkgamer | nope |
| 01:30.05 | Guerin | oh, wtf |
| 01:30.10 | azeem | Guerin: no, he's talking about a USB cable |
| 01:30.15 | Azar | Guerin: then how we can learn to hack things? if we just give up ? |
| 01:30.28 | stoned | you give in |
| 01:30.36 | Networkgamer | here |
| 01:30.39 | stoned | to the hack... you become the hack... ahem |
| 01:30.39 | Azar | mister stoned :D |
| 01:30.48 | Networkgamer | so everyone knows my situation |
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| 01:30.55 | Guerin | Azar: necessity, not futility, is the mother of invention. |
| 01:30.58 | stoned | Networkgamer: what have you tried so far |
| 01:31.08 | Networkgamer | nothing to try |
| 01:31.12 | PotataChipz | hello all, noob here. I hope you can direct me in troubleshooting this issue. I am attempting to dual boot winXP pro and debian on my Lenovo thinkpad T61 laptop. This is apparently a bit trickier than usual because the thinkpads have a recovery system on a hidden partition. The few articles I've been able to find advise that I not let GRUB install to the MBR, (because this will render that partition useless and possibly cause other bo |
| 01:31.12 | PotataChipz | w GNU/Linux root, copy the bootgrub.bin to removable media and later put it in C:\ under windows and tell boot.ini about it. In the debian setup I can successfully get past setting up a partition, but GRUB fails to install anywhere. ("Unable to install GRUB in /dev/hda2") I also tried installing the LILO bootloader but that didn't work either. Where should I go from here? |
| 01:31.14 | Networkgamer | i have tryed windows with usb |
| 01:31.20 | Networkgamer | and that works |
| 01:31.27 | Azar | Networkgamer: I would assume a "usb" modem is kinda superflue... like Guerin say.... I really don't see why usb? |
| 01:31.28 | Networkgamer | but linux and usb doesnt work |
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| 01:31.39 | Networkgamer | the pc has no ethernet |
| 01:31.49 | Networkgamer | and the router fyi has ethernet on it |
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| 01:31.55 | Networkgamer | but pc has no ethernet |
| 01:31.56 | Azar | Networkgamer: the latest Debian stable has a kernel that contains lots of usb models... |
| 01:32.01 | PotataChipz | The only place I haven't tried to install GRUB to is a floppy, but of course no one puts floppy drives on a new machine :( |
| 01:32.01 | stoned | PotataChipz: do you have a spare partition? |
| 01:32.08 | Networkgamer | this is debian 4.0r with xfce4 |
| 01:32.18 | stoned | PotataChipz: xp ntldr can boot grub |
| 01:32.25 | azeem | Networkgamer: did you have to do anything special on Linux? |
| 01:32.28 | azeem | eh, Windows* |
| 01:32.29 | stoned | PotataChipz: and grub can then boot linux stored on a pa rtition |
| 01:32.31 | Networkgamer | no |
| 01:32.32 | PotataChipz | stoned: I shrunk the windows partition using gparted before installing |
| 01:32.33 | stoned | !debian.ex |
| 01:32.35 | stoned | !debian.exe |
| 01:32.35 | dpkg | i guess debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 01:32.37 | azeem | Networkgamer: did you install some software for the router? |
| 01:32.40 | Networkgamer | it came with a cd that has a usb driver for the router |
| 01:32.41 | azeem | on Windows |
| 01:32.44 | Networkgamer | yes |
| 01:32.44 | azeem | aha |
| 01:32.46 | azeem | there yougo |
| 01:32.49 | Networkgamer | yeah |
| 01:33.02 | Networkgamer | ndiswrapper? |
| 01:33.09 | Networkgamer | afaik ndiswrapper only does wifi |
| 01:33.13 | azeem | why do you think it's ethernet? |
| 01:33.16 | PotataChipz | stoned: what do you mean, xp can boot grub? |
| 01:33.21 | azeem | it's some proprietary protocol I bet |
| 01:33.24 | stoned | PotataChipz: not xp, ntldr |
| 01:33.43 | Networkgamer | why did i think what is ethernet? |
| 01:33.44 | stoned | PotataChipz: ntldr can boot the grub "grldr" which can have access to its own c:\menu.lst |
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| 01:34.06 | stoned | PotataChipz: that way, you can tell c:\menu.lst to boot an entry for linux on a seperate partition |
| 01:34.14 | azeem | Networkgamer: ok, TCP/IP |
| 01:34.16 | stoned | you don't have to install grub to mbr |
| 01:34.23 | Networkgamer | do what? |
| 01:34.26 | azeem | you thought it was TCP/IP |
| 01:34.29 | azeem | I'm not sure it is |
| 01:34.43 | PotataChipz | stoned: okay, so where should I be telling the install to put grub? |
| 01:34.44 | Networkgamer | the only problem is getting linux to either use a windows driver |
| 01:34.54 | Networkgamer | or to use a usb router |
| 01:34.59 | stoned | PotataChipz: nowhere |
| 01:35.06 | stoned | PotataChipz: you don't need to even install grub |
| 01:35.20 | shogunx | usb router. those two words together just make me laugh. |
| 01:35.31 | Networkgamer | lol yeah |
| 01:35.40 | Networkgamer | fyi it has 4 more ethernet on the router |
| 01:35.42 | stoned | PotataChipz: just install grub for NT in windows xp and use that to boot the linux partion. all you need to do is tell it where the root partition is and where the kernel and ramdisk image is located |
| 01:35.47 | Networkgamer | 4 ethernet + 1 usb |
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| 01:36.11 | azeem | and you're sure you can really access the internet via the usb, not just the router configuration dialog? |
| 01:36.31 | Networkgamer | im sure |
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| 01:36.36 | PotataChipz | stoned: ahh, I wasn't aware that was possible. Thanks for your help! I'll try that. |
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| 01:37.34 | stoned | PotataChipz: debian.exe automates the task, just make sure the file entries are correct and modify them if you want a different debian kernel or arch, it pulled amd64 for my core2 while I wanted 32bit) so just check it |
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| 01:38.32 | Networkgamer | can linux use generic windows drivers? |
| 01:38.38 | azeem | no |
| 01:38.44 | Networkgamer | ok |
| 01:38.51 | silent[ca] | Networkgamer, through ndiswrapper yes |
| 01:38.53 | silent[ca] | sometimes |
| 01:38.55 | silent[ca] | some things |
| 01:39.00 | silent[ca] | very few things |
| 01:39.01 | Networkgamer | can i configure linux to use a router hooked up on usb? |
| 01:39.05 | azeem | silent[ca]: "generic" |
| 01:39.08 | stoned | PotataChipz: and if you install linux's grub to its own partition instead of mbr, you can make an entry for it to boot chainload xp, that way you can go back and forth between grub and ntldr if you accidentally select the wrong one |
| 01:39.09 | Networkgamer | but ndiswrapper only does wireless cards |
| 01:39.16 | azeem | Networkgamer: if you write a driver for it, sure |
| 01:39.23 | Networkgamer | only one thing |
| 01:39.27 | Networkgamer | i only know vb XD |
| 01:39.28 | azeem | or find a driver for it |
| 01:39.36 | Networkgamer | doubt one exists |
| 01:40.00 | stoned | PotataChipz: if you don't care about your ibm recovery partition or writing to the boot sector, just intall grub to mbr. let it load xp for you |
| 01:40.44 | Networkgamer | can linux find what my usb controller is? |
| 01:41.09 | Networkgamer | wait nvm |
| 01:41.39 | azeem | ther's no controller |
| 01:42.25 | Networkgamer | damnit |
| 01:42.32 | Networkgamer | my router just isnt supported over usb |
| 01:42.43 | azeem | you said it was a regular usb cable, didn't you? |
| 01:42.47 | azeem | no controller involved |
| 01:42.52 | azeem | except for the router |
| 01:42.54 | azeem | maybe |
| 01:43.26 | Networkgamer | no the usb controller on the pc |
| 01:43.29 | Networkgamer | nvm anyway |
| 01:44.58 | Networkgamer | i might have found something |
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| 01:49.12 | Networkgamer | screw it |
| 01:49.19 | Networkgamer | windows = internet,linux = tasks |
| 01:49.41 | azeem | uhm, get decent internet |
| 01:49.47 | azeem | USB = not internet |
| 01:49.49 | Networkgamer | maybe ill find someone that has a pci ethernet card |
| 01:49.57 | Networkgamer | internet is fine over usb 2 |
| 01:50.13 | azeem | no, it's a proprietary kludge |
| 01:50.14 | silent[ca] | my system only boots with the noapic option, any way I can fix this? |
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| 01:52.43 | weld | hi, after installing debian testing there are no entries in xorg.conf's file section. so when starting X i get warnings about non existinf font dirs. is it usual for debian to omit entries in file section? |
| 01:52.48 | Azar | good evening honorable LoRez |
| 01:53.25 | Azar | weld: configure with dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg never try to alter original file |
| 01:54.13 | thrashyy | I just installed Debian with a minimal netinst disk, now when i apt-get install stuff it won't install unless i put the minimal netinst cd in, how can i get it to just grab the files from repos? |
| 01:54.36 | Wyzard | weld: Yes, that's fine... you don't need any FontPaths in your xorg.conf unless you have fonts in unusual places |
| 01:54.37 | Azar | apt setup, get some sources |
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| 01:55.09 | Wyzard | weld: The defaults are all built-in, I believe |
| 01:55.20 | Azar | thrashyy: and in /etc/apt/sources.list #comment the cd line, that why is asking for a cd |
| 01:55.37 | weld | Wyzard: yes that's what man xorg.conf says. but what about those ugly warnings? |
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| 01:57.09 | Wyzard | weld: What do they say? |
| 01:58.04 | weld | (WW) `fonts.dir' not found |
| 01:58.14 | weld | Wyzard: for some dirs |
| 01:58.38 | thrashyy | Azar: Thanks :) |
| 01:59.02 | brasilino | Hi! Is there any official Debian Live-USB image? |
| 01:59.06 | Wyzard | weld: Which directories? |
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| 01:59.20 | dittoalex | Question: What's a good multi-language editor? C++ and RoR. |
| 01:59.35 | linuxwho | how do i get cpu scaling working in etch? |
| 01:59.39 | brasilino | I'm mean... not that images for installation, but to boot and use from USB |
| 02:00.07 | Wyzard | brasilino: don't think so |
| 02:00.14 | linuxwho | which ap for powernow in etch? |
| 02:00.27 | Wyzard | linuxwho: There's powernowd |
| 02:00.33 | linuxwho | ok |
| 02:00.40 | Wyzard | linuxwho: though others like cpufreqd should work too |
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| 02:01.08 | brasilino | wyz:ok thanks |
| 02:01.26 | linuxwho | either one will work with the cpu monitor? |
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| 02:01.29 | weld | Wyzard: http://paste.debian.net/39575 |
| 02:02.29 | Wyzard | linuxwho: All frequency-scaling implementations (PowerNOW!, SpeedStep, LongRun, etc.) are controlled by the same kernel API these days |
| 02:02.59 | linuxwho | Wyzard thanks, time to reboot |
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| 02:05.11 | Wyzard | weld: The 75dpi and 100dpi directories should exist and be full of fonts from the xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi packages... apparently you don't have those installed |
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| 02:05.41 | Azar | Wyzard: can he get them by merely doing a update/upgrade ? |
| 02:05.47 | weld | Wyzard: they are installed now, the posting was before i did this |
| 02:06.04 | Wyzard | weld: and the Type1 directory should likewise be populated by fonts from xfonts-scalable |
| 02:06.23 | Wyzard | Azar: Upgrading won't cause a package to be installed unless something depends on it |
| 02:06.41 | Azar | oh I see.. thanks |
| 02:06.54 | Wyzard | though the xorg package does depend on the fonts packages... |
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| 02:07.19 | Azar | strange he got xorg with the fresh installation tho the fonts frozen somewhere |
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| 02:08.13 | Azar | I was asking about update/upgrade thinking that the latest (3 - 4 day old) security packages might bring them to life |
| 02:08.42 | Wyzard | Azar: Maybe he installed xserver-xorg directly, rather than the xorg metapackage |
| 02:09.07 | Azar | that might be it |
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| 02:09.22 | Wyzard | Why would a security update install fonts that weren't installed previously? |
| 02:10.06 | Azar | say like I got 3 days ago with the security packages all about X, fonts included. In case aptitude tries to update/upgrade them and does not find them, won't install them? |
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| 02:10.20 | Azar | or at least warn about them missing? |
| 02:10.29 | Wyzard | apt doesn't upgrade things that aren't installed |
| 02:11.01 | Azar | but wont' see xorg sorta broken without them then warn? |
| 02:11.13 | colson | hi, after latest upgrade, can't download .pdf file, there is a msg about error while loading the plug-in "ewh.api". any help? |
| 02:11.32 | Wyzard | Azar: If the "xorg" package was installed, and not the fonts packages that it depends on, yes |
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| 02:11.40 | Wyzard | Azar: but xserver-xorg (for example) does not depend on the fonts |
| 02:12.01 | Azar | adobe got some issues with pdf lately... they have some temp workaround as far I read |
| 02:12.14 | Azar | Wyzard: oh I thought it does |
| 02:12.49 | Azar | colson: some type of security vulnerability |
| 02:13.13 | colson | Azar, adobe's problem? |
| 02:13.34 | Azar | colson: yea, you could try find out about google: adobe security vulnerability... |
| 02:13.47 | colson | Azar, maybe i should just wait for a week or so before trying again. thks. |
| 02:13.57 | Azar | n/p |
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| 02:14.30 | ampex2 | Is there any reason to disable ipv6 in debian if I'm not using it? |
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| 02:16.28 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 02:16.37 | Ramattack | does pure-ftpd run as root nowadays? |
| 02:16.37 | dondelelcaro | ampex2: no |
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| 02:19.36 | weld | is there a meta package for installing all ttf fonts? |
| 02:19.56 | Ward1983 | hi all, how can i check what packages are available for ARM? |
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| 02:20.03 | Azar | congratulations, mister dondelecaro :) |
| 02:20.17 | Ward1983 | I've googled but i can't seem to find a list or anything |
| 02:21.37 | Azar | Ward1983: on Debian? |
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| 02:21.57 | Ward1983 | Azar, yes |
| 02:22.05 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 02:22.29 | dondelelcaro | Azar: on what? |
| 02:22.39 | Ward1983 | Azar, so that means all x86 packages are also available for ARM? |
| 02:22.56 | Ward1983 | Azar, i allready foudn that one lol, but i thought it was only for x86 |
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| 02:23.07 | Wyzard | No, it's for all architectures |
| 02:23.12 | Azar | Ward1983: the list does not specify the arch, only the version of Debian |
| 02:23.22 | Ward1983 | nice i never knew that |
| 02:23.25 | Wyzard | Not every package exists on every arch, but the packages site is for all of Debian's supported architectures |
| 02:23.28 | Azar | dondelelcaro: on becoming part of listmaster team |
| 02:23.32 | dondelelcaro | oh |
| 02:24.11 | Ward1983 | so basically if the version is high enough the package in question will run? |
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| 02:24.24 | Ward1983 | i mean the installed debian version |
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| 02:24.46 | ningning | hello could anyone please recommend a good package for drawing uml diagram? |
| 02:24.51 | Azar | well it depends, for example if you want to install and run a 3D game that depends on your video driver.. |
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| 02:25.32 | Ward1983 | Azar, i know, but i'm talking PDA here so 3D is out of the question anyway :-) |
| 02:25.49 | Azar | ah then you know your limitations |
| 02:25.57 | Ward1983 | yes :-) |
| 02:26.03 | Ward1983 | and i like them! lol |
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| 02:26.17 | Ward1983 | a ton of software to explore |
| 02:26.21 | Azar | so browse the list meant for your version, see what your PDA can run |
| 02:27.07 | Ward1983 | i will i'm jsut researching, don't own oen yet, but i allready know which one i'll buy (and there's a port available for it) |
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| 02:27.19 | Azar | Ward1983: you got an Xserver installed? |
| 02:27.39 | Azar | ah |
| 02:27.47 | Ward1983 | Azar, i don't own one yet, but the one i will but can run xserver yes |
| 02:28.00 | Ward1983 | *but = buy |
| 02:28.31 | Ward1983 | and a vga screen |
| 02:28.36 | Ward1983 | and usb host |
| 02:28.42 | Ward1983 | :-) |
| 02:28.58 | Azar | well, good luck newer hardware might not go as you expect with Debian |
| 02:29.12 | Ward1983 | its not even nearly new :-D |
| 02:30.40 | Ward1983 | Azar, i needed a GPS anyway i just looked for a good featured pda that was able to run linux |
| 02:31.57 | Ward1983 | me neither, but i thought if i buy one, let's pick a good one with as much linux support as possible |
| 02:32.05 | Ward1983 | Azar, anyway, thanx for the info! |
| 02:32.22 | Azar | good luck |
| 02:32.25 | Ward1983 | thanx |
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| 02:32.45 | Ward1983 | if i have it i'll come back sometime |
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| 02:42.30 | user01 | what channel is for lenny? |
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| 02:43.30 | Azar | this one, user01 |
| 02:43.58 | user01 | Azar: oh ok thanks |
| 02:44.18 | user01 | Azar; wasnt sure if it was like ubuntu where there do ubuntu+1 |
| 02:44.39 | Azar | ubuntu has its own channel, #ubuntu |
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| 02:45.14 | user01 | Azar: yes i know wasnt sure if there was a standard naming thing for distros . . . debian, debian+1 etc |
| 02:45.49 | Azar | user01: Debian old-stable: Sarge, Debian stable 4.0: Etch, Debian testing: Lenny, Debian unstable: Sid |
| 02:45.53 | user01 | Azar: im running etch but was looking at installing lenny if it is fairly stable now |
| 02:46.29 | Azar | user01: the way I hear, the nvidia driver, maybe ati too have no driver yet... in Lenny |
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| 02:46.35 | user01 | Azar: yep that looks right |
| 02:46.51 | Azar | so if your Etch works... why change so fast |
| 02:46.53 | user01 | Azar: i was talking about irc channels |
| 02:47.05 | Azar | this one is for all versions |
| 02:47.22 | user01 | Azar: well i have etch on my server but was thinking about lenny for laptop |
| 02:47.30 | user01 | because it has kernel 2.6.22 |
| 02:47.42 | user01 | Azar: which supports my wireless card |
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| 02:48.00 | Azar | well, if you want to upgrade from Etch to Lenny on your laptop give it a try but read the release notes first |
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| 02:48.20 | Azar | user01: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 02:48.27 | user01 | Azar: there seem to be a lot of bugs out there |
| 02:48.34 | Azar | there are |
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| 02:49.04 | Azar | is testing as in you test it and report the bugs, try to fix them |
| 02:49.19 | user01 | Azar: i would install lenny from scratch, the laptop is running ubuntu |
| 02:49.35 | Azar | goot luck |
| 02:50.14 | user01 | Azar: thanks |
| 02:50.36 | user01 | Azar: was just wondering if anyone else was running lenny |
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| 02:51.10 | fuzzyhai1 | My goal: use debian etch installed from scratch. I am running ubuntu and I need to get my wireless card working in debian. This guide works: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512828&highlight=atheros+5007eg+dapper but it doesn't work on etch. What do I need to do to make that guide compatible with etch? |
| 02:51.27 | fuzzyhai1 | I like the philosophy of Debian much better. |
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| 02:53.17 | Azar | fuzzyhai1: use only debian guides, ubuntu ways are incompatible |
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| 02:54.58 | fuzzyhai1 | azar: there are no debian guides. I haven't seen one post claiming they got this card to work in debian. |
| 02:56.00 | Azar | if you google: Wireless in Debian Etch you will surely find help there |
| 02:56.06 | Azar | like this: |
| 02:56.09 | Azar | http://www.theyagar.com/2007/09/08/setting-up-wireless-in-debian-etch/ |
| 02:56.33 | dondelelcaro | ugh. ndiswrapper |
| 02:57.15 | crn | what command updates x so that it uses a new xdefaults? |
| 02:57.22 | fuzzyhai1 | Why does everyone make such a big deal about ndiswrapper? It's not that complicated. |
| 02:57.50 | Azar | maybe because it has a bad fame? |
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| 02:58.49 | dondelelcaro | heh; you're the one strugling trying to get ndiswrapper to work, and you wonder why we're not so hot about it? |
| 02:58.50 | user01 | Azar: do you know of anything for sierra wireless 875u in debian etch? |
| 02:59.10 | user01 | Azar: it is supported by kernel 2.6.22 |
| 02:59.25 | fuzzyhai1 | good point. haha |
| 02:59.45 | user01 | Azar: which is why i was going to install lenny |
| 02:59.55 | user01 | Azar: on laptop |
| 02:59.58 | Wyzard | fuzzyhai1: because it's limiting (no support for anything other than client mode, and sometimes no support for WPA even if the card is capable), and it's not reliable (there's an issue relating to stacks which means that technically a driver loaded with ndiswrapper can crash your kernel even if ndiswrapper works perfectly), and it requires you to use non-free Windows drivers |
| 03:00.12 | Azar | user01: you could google... with same words.. |
| 03:00.33 | user01 | Azar: i did they are all ubuntu help files :) |
| 03:01.03 | Azar | user01: google: sierra wireless 875u for Debian Etch :) |
| 03:01.21 | fuzzyhai1 | k. When I'm installing Debian it asks if I want to install laptop programs. What are they basically? |
| 03:03.06 | user01 | Azar: on mine the first ten are ubuntu sites with "debian sierra wireless 875u" |
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| 03:06.49 | Azar | user01: because some stupid people use debian reference for ubuntu |
| 03:07.04 | Azar | wtf, are they ashamed to call it as its name is? |
| 03:07.45 | user01 | Azar: yep it sucks |
| 03:07.57 | user01 | Azar: messes up everything |
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| 03:10.13 | Azar | user01: what is your laptop? a Dell ? a ??? |
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| 03:10.50 | user01 | Azar: thinkpad t40 |
| 03:10.52 | foug | i can't write files to my NTFS external HD, and ntfs-3g isn't in apt-get. Will ntfsprogs do the same stuff? |
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| 03:11.16 | Guerin | foug: no |
| 03:11.51 | Azar | damn not even on a Brand list |
| 03:12.04 | Azar | that t from t40 means? |
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| 03:12.53 | user01 | Azar: model . . . there is the t series x series . . . etc |
| 03:13.05 | Guerin | Azar: IBM. |
| 03:13.09 | Guerin | best laptops evar |
| 03:13.11 | Azar | Guerin ahh |
| 03:14.24 | Azar | user01: http://hardware4linux.info/component/26639/ |
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| 03:14.45 | user01 | theyre pretty nice and cheap too after the warranty is void |
| 03:14.53 | user01 | suckers |
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| 03:15.05 | user01 | they shouldnt have let them go |
| 03:15.25 | Azar | so yeah, you should go with lenny |
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| 03:15.46 | user01 | i did have to pay $80 for a new battery though |
| 03:16.03 | user01 | long life though |
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| 03:17.19 | user01 | Azar: use lenny because t40 is tried and tested? |
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| 03:17.44 | Azar | user01: maybe hardware components do not have stable drivers for Debian stable yet... |
| 03:18.17 | user01 | Azar: oh i was talking about a new usb modem i purchased 3g |
| 03:18.20 | Azar | wireless is on the works, and I guess some were fixed on the 2.6.22 kernel |
| 03:19.00 | user01 | Azar: as long as it works better than the current gutsy ill be happy |
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| 03:19.13 | Azar | or I could only guess install Etch, then use a backport to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.22 and stay with etch |
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| 03:19.53 | user01 | Azar: how do i add backports to sources? what is the line? |
| 03:20.02 | Azar | !backports |
| 03:20.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 03:20.29 | KurtKraut | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.40 | Azar | you can /msg dpkg <topic> with any question |
| 03:20.57 | user01 | Azar: i wanted to install an ntfs-3g backport |
| 03:21.15 | Azar | user01: I am sorry I have no idea about stuff like that.. |
| 03:21.53 | Azar | user01: you can find packages list at the debian site, each version has its own load of packages, you can check |
| 03:22.32 | user01 | Azar: ok thanks . . . i guess i need http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/i386/ |
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| 03:24.07 | dondelelcaro | start with testing, get familiar with how things work, and then when you're ready, consider upgrading |
| 03:24.11 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 03:24.21 | fuzzyhai1 | Would the kernel have anything to do with getting ndiswrapper and my card working? |
| 03:24.33 | dondelelcaro | it has everything to do with it |
| 03:24.33 | Tramp | KurtKraut: You may try with -print0 as argument to find and -0 as additional argument to xargs |
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| 03:26.51 | fuzzyhai1 | ndiswrapper says it should work with the etch kernel. Are they lying? |
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| 03:27.35 | dondelelcaro | some people have gotten it to work |
| 03:27.59 | dondelelcaro | but dealing with closed source drivers and ndiswrapper is impenetrable; they're nearly impossible to debug |
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| 03:44.48 | troubled | dondelelcaro: hey, you heard from Tim yet? |
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| 03:59.30 | Gokee2_Laptop | What is the best most Debian way to switch a new (5 min ago) install of Debian to a KDE rather then Gnome Desktop? |
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| 03:59.52 | Guerin | Gokee2_Laptop: aptitude install kde kdm |
| 03:59.53 | Gokee2_Laptop | Install of Debian Stable |
| 03:59.59 | Guerin | Gokee2_Laptop: then /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 04:00.25 | Gokee2_Laptop | Guerin, Ok will that also make the Update manager thingy work in KDE? |
| 04:00.46 | Kurtism | krud I can't remember how to configure wpa supplicant in debian |
| 04:00.57 | Kurtism | need it to do aes and wpa |
| 04:01.06 | Kurtism | er wpa with aes |
| 04:01.14 | enyawix | how do you control services in debian |
| 04:01.22 | Kurtism | this is from the consol also |
| 04:01.29 | enyawix | it starts so must shuff |
| 04:01.33 | Kurtism | haven't got x installed |
| 04:01.45 | enyawix | fills like window$ |
| 04:02.02 | Guerin | Gokee2_Laptop: no idea about the update manager thingy |
| 04:02.35 | Guerin | Kurtism: there are various guides on teh goog |
| 04:02.51 | Guerin | Kurtism: you might start at /msg dpkg wpa |
| 04:02.53 | Kurtism | didn't the bots here used to have a link to one |
| 04:03.15 | Guerin | enyawix: i can't tell if you're a performance artist or someone serious |
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| 04:03.36 | Kurtism | I see |
| 04:03.40 | Kurtism | I'm using lenny too eh |
| 04:04.47 | enyawix | Guerin i want my laptop to run faster |
| 04:05.01 | Guerin | enyawix: buy it better shoes |
| 04:05.20 | enyawix | too many services start |
| 04:05.29 | Gokee2_Laptop | Why does this new debian install have apt keyring problems? It says it can`t trust a place... I guess I need to do the dpkg bots keyadd thingy |
| 04:05.30 | Guerin | enyawix: /msg dpkg services |
| 04:05.32 | enyawix | much i do not need |
| 04:05.41 | Guerin | Gokee2_Laptop: /topic |
| 04:06.39 | enyawix | thanks |
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| 04:08.12 | cmanns | I'm using debian on vm, my problem is its going really slow my friend let it have a opty 260 processor and 1gb ram yet things compile like its a p3, anything I should do to fix this? |
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| 04:10.11 | Shai-Tan | hi all, I am looking to set up a minimal installation.. is the net installer the way to go? |
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| 04:14.18 | Guerin | Shai-Tan: yes, or you can use the businesscard if you know your network gear will work first-time. |
| 04:14.35 | Guerin | (almost 100% of cases will) |
| 04:15.19 | Guerin | cmanns: anything in a vm is fucking slow. That's a feature of vms. If you need anything done fast, install it on bare metal. |
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| 04:17.48 | cmanns | Well yeah Guerin but a dual cpu dual core system (4cpu's) should not run this slow :) |
| 04:18.24 | click170 | Can anyone point me to a program/script that will help me figure out which is the best mirror to use for apt sources.lst? |
| 04:18.33 | weld | hi, how can i prevent a certain module from being loaded at boot time? |
| 04:19.05 | Guerin | cmanns: you have benchmarks to demonstrate this? TO use a car analogy, think of it as putting 2-stroke mix into your dragster. It's not going anywhere fast, no matter how damn hot you think it is. |
| 04:19.15 | Guerin | weld: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 04:19.37 | Guerin | cmanns: apt-spy does this -- also see netselect-apt |
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| 04:19.41 | Guerin | argh |
| 04:19.46 | Guerin | click170: apt-spy does this -- also see netselect-apt |
| 04:20.07 | dondelelcaro | cmanns: you'll have to also figure out whether you're disk bound or cpu bound or whatever; what type of virtulatization you're using will also affect things |
| 04:20.36 | click170 | Guerin: Thankyou. Although, I had difficulty in my brief attempt to get apt-spy to work, and netselect-apt does not show up in `apt-cache search netselect-apt` for me. Is it not in stable? |
| 04:20.49 | click170 | Guerin: I shall try apt-spy again in any case. |
| 04:20.49 | Guerin | click170: i'm not sure. Ask dpkg about search. |
| 04:22.28 | dondelelcaro | !+info netselecta-apt etch |
| 04:22.30 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:22.36 | dondelelcaro | !+info netselect-apt etch |
| 04:22.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:22.41 | Guerin | bo selekta! |
| 04:22.52 | dpkg | Package 'netselecta-apt' does not exist. |
| 04:22.54 | dpkg | netselect-apt: (Choose the fastest Debian mirror with netselect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.ds1-10 (etch), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 04:22.56 | TaiSHi | :O |
| 04:22.59 | TaiSHi | <3 this channel |
| 04:23.05 | TaiSHi | Anyone familiar with dSpam ? |
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| 04:23.18 | dondelelcaro | click170: see above; if you can't install it, then there's a problem. |
| 04:23.21 | dondelelcaro | TaiSHi: best to ask your question |
| 04:23.44 | TaiSHi | I tried to compile dSpam with mysql_drv storage support |
| 04:23.53 | TaiSHi | But it seems to not to copy libmysql_drv.so anywhere on the system... |
| 04:24.10 | Gokee2_Laptop | I am getting the problem "W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" when I try and do apt-get update. Anyone know why? |
| 04:24.30 | dondelelcaro | TaiSHi: is there any reason why you didn't just install libdspam7-drv-mysql? |
| 04:24.49 | TaiSHi | dondelelcaro: Im compiling, not using apt-get |
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| 04:25.33 | dondelelcaro | TaiSHi: why aren't you installing the version of the dspam that is already distributed in Debian? |
| 04:25.58 | TaiSHi | Because the server I'm working on isn't debian =( |
| 04:26.01 | TaiSHi | Boss didn't let me |
| 04:26.03 | TaiSHi | :P |
| 04:26.08 | enyawix | Guerin thanks now to run debfoster |
| 04:26.16 | click170 | TaiShi: If I may ask, what was his reason not to? |
| 04:26.16 | dondelelcaro | TaiSHi: uh... then why are you asking us about it? |
| 04:26.37 | enyawix | my laptop runs fast now |
| 04:26.39 | TaiSHi | click170: He's using a webhosting control panel based on redhat (yes, I know, it sucks) |
| 04:27.13 | TaiSHi | dondelelcaro: I usually find useful tips here :) |
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| 04:27.29 | dondelelcaro | TaiSHi: #dspam exists; they're the best people to help you out; otherwise try #redhat |
| 04:27.30 | Guerin | !aolify TaiSHi |
| 04:27.53 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, try their mailing lists or fora |
| 04:27.57 | TaiSHi | I'd rather suiciding before going onto #redhast |
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| 04:28.09 | TaiSHi | And I'm on #dspam but people seems to sleep way too much there |
| 04:28.14 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 04:28.15 | dpkg | nofp is, like, Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 04:28.21 | TaiSHi | Great ¬¬ |
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| 04:28.32 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: that's not particularly helpfull; feel free to use /ignore -replies |
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| 04:28.50 | alaya__ | there's no way ftp.tw.debian.org is the best mirror for where i am |
| 04:30.00 | TaiSHi | dondelelcaro: I will try to figure out with it isn't installing the module, but I'm 100% sure the parameters on ./configure did well |
| 04:30.33 | dondelelcaro | best of luck |
| 04:30.49 | alaya__ | and even with the -n switch netselect-apt seems to pick mirrors which don't have non-free |
| 04:30.52 | TaiSHi | Thank you |
| 04:31.08 | Gokee2_Laptop | So anyone know what "W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" is? |
| 04:31.26 | dondelelcaro | alaya__: you're probably better off just using the mirror list and picking based on geographic proximity |
| 04:31.29 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 04:31.29 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 04:31.32 | dondelelcaro | alaya__: see above |
| 04:31.38 | fuzzyhai1 | What is the major difference between a debian and ubuntu server. I used to have a ubuntu dapper server and I'm interested again, but I heard debian was more stable. |
| 04:31.53 | alaya__ | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's usually what's always ended up working the best |
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| 04:32.13 | utopia_ | is there a way aptitude can tell you what version of a package is on the respo's? |
| 04:32.17 | dondelelcaro | fuzzyhai1: there are loads of differences; too much for us to really delinate them all for you |
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| 04:32.38 | alaya__ | utopia_: apt-cache show |
| 04:32.42 | fuzzyhai1 | dondelelcaro: okay. sorry. I understand. |
| 04:32.50 | dondelelcaro | utopia_: aptitude show foopkg; or use the curses interface |
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| 04:33.32 | dondelelcaro | (you'll probably want -v if you want to know about all of the possible versions) |
| 04:34.08 | utopia_ | does that show you the version on your system, or on the respotories? |
| 04:34.52 | dondelelcaro | utopia_: it can do either. man aptitude; |
| 04:35.13 | qmr | So, I am thinking of offering a service using squid and adzapper to speed up web browsing |
| 04:35.16 | qmr | am I crazy? |
| 04:35.33 | dondelelcaro | there are quite a few services that do that already, actually |
| 04:35.44 | qmr | ok so I'm not crazy |
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| 04:35.56 | qmr | squid + adzapper. is anything else needed? hm |
| 04:36.06 | dondelelcaro | but I don't think they're particularly profitable, and the privacy aspects of it aren't particularly palettable |
| 04:36.18 | TaiSHi | dondelelcaro: seems it required to pass a parameter twice on ./configure =) |
| 04:36.18 | weld | how can i disable bluetooth? |
| 04:36.42 | qmr | most users aren't smart enough to think about their privacy :p |
| 04:37.24 | weld | ist there something like ifconfif for bluetooth? |
| 04:37.31 | weld | *ifconfig |
| 04:37.49 | jeffwheeler | I was just guided into using pbuilder, but it seems to oddly be using a Japanese mirror for apt in the chroot env. Is there any convenient way to change this? |
| 04:38.06 | dondelelcaro | jeffwheeler: you can change it in your ~/.pbuilderrc or /etc/pbuilderrc |
| 04:38.17 | dondelelcaro | jeffwheeler: the developer of it is japanese, so it's a reasonable default for him |
| 04:38.21 | dalias | the way to make it profitable is to sell private data about your users to spammers |
| 04:38.30 | qmr | dalias: ooooooooooh. |
| 04:38.31 | dalias | which is of course evil |
| 04:38.31 | jeffwheeler | dondelelcaro: you're good; thanks! |
| 04:38.36 | qmr | dalias: awesome! thanks! |
| 04:38.39 | dalias | ... |
| 04:38.45 | qmr | oh evil |
| 04:38.48 | qmr | darn it! |
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| 04:38.57 | dondelelcaro | jeffwheeler: if you're really bored, http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/development/.pbuilderrc |
| 04:39.26 | dondelelcaro | (that's a rather complex example that does some other useful things) |
| 04:39.29 | qmr | well, my thinking is that I have a few servers that are very underutilized, so I would set this up for dialup people and charge them $5 / month. servers get used more and I get more $$$ |
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| 04:48.57 | PotataChipz | hello all. I was in here earlier asking about GRUB failing to install. i have grub for dos up and working on my machine, and I'm now attempting to get it to recognize the fresh debian install. Getting a commandline through grub and doing "root(hd0,1)" confirms that this filesystem is ext2fs; I assume that's the debian partition. However, when I add this entry to menu.lst and choose it from grub, I just get the looping error "Invalid |
| 04:48.57 | PotataChipz | ere should I go from here? |
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| 04:50.19 | klhrevolutionist | PotatoChipz: make a backup of your current menu.lst |
| 04:51.16 | klhrevolutionist | PotatoChipz: Afterwards as root you wanna run the command: grub |
| 04:51.32 | click170 | Heh, um what does one do when one encounters a 'Segmentation fault' while using apt-spy? |
| 04:51.40 | klhrevolutionist | tell grub where are the grub files: If you know where they are, type something like: root (hd0,1) |
| 04:52.01 | klhrevolutionist | if you don't know where type: find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 04:52.25 | klhrevolutionist | PotatoChipz: you following ? |
| 04:53.07 | klhrevolutionist | click170: never used or heard of apt-spy ... |
| 04:53.09 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: : yes, except, how do I get root? |
| 04:53.31 | klhrevolutionist | Potatachipz: open terminal/console & type su |
| 04:53.42 | klhrevolutionist | then enter passwd when prompted |
| 04:54.08 | PotataChipz | from windows? |
| 04:54.21 | jeffwheeler | click170: that's probably a legitimate bug -- is it in the bug tracker? If not, you ought to report it. |
| 04:54.24 | shogunx | you will never get root from windows. |
| 04:54.30 | klhrevolutionist | I don't use windows.. |
| 04:54.41 | klhrevolutionist | I don't know how to use windows |
| 04:54.52 | PotataChipz | I didn't think so, but I can't boot to debian, sooo... |
| 04:54.54 | klhrevolutionist | do this from debian |
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| 04:55.20 | click170 | jeffwheeler: Would I report that to 'apt' or try to find some kind of 'apt-spy' bug tracker? |
| 04:55.23 | Hobbes-- | Hi. Does anyone else find http://localhost/docs/ to be useless because of the .gz files? |
| 04:55.28 | shogunx | klhrevolutionist, good man. brain cells are too precious to be wasted on such:) |
| 04:55.57 | simonrvn | click170: on the package |
| 04:56.18 | klhrevolutionist | abort PotataChipz operation... |
| 04:56.22 | Hobbes-- | Sorry, I phrased that question poorly. Can someone advise me how to make http://localhost/docs/ not be useless anymore? Currently, it is, because the .gz files don't display as text in my browser, iceweasel. |
| 04:56.25 | jeffwheeler | click170: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=apt-spy;dist=unstable |
| 04:56.29 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: : is it possible to do this from the commandline grub gives me? |
| 04:56.36 | jeffwheeler | (of course, change the unstable to whatever you use) |
| 04:56.40 | simonrvn | to su? no |
| 04:56.49 | klhrevolutionist | PotataChipz: yes |
| 04:57.02 | jeffwheeler | click170: looks like somebody might have a similar problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418548 |
| 04:57.05 | klhrevolutionist | scroll up to see where I left off, tell me when your ready |
| 04:57.11 | shogunx | Hobbes--, how about cd /var/www/docs && gzip -d * |
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| 04:57.43 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: : me? |
| 04:57.54 | klhrevolutionist | yes you |
| 04:57.58 | Hobbes-- | shogunx: they are gzipped for a reason! Anyway, I did not have this problem in debian 3.0 .. What changed? |
| 04:58.10 | klhrevolutionist | In fact here is the howto: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/ |
| 04:58.39 | shogunx | Hobbes--, i suppose you can set a helper application in your browser to handle gzip'd files... |
| 04:58.43 | Guerin | \hthey got gzipped? |
| 04:58.54 | Hobbes-- | they were always gzipped |
| 04:59.07 | Hobbes-- | 715M /usr/share/doc |
| 04:59.08 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: : thanks, I'm following |
| 04:59.09 | Hobbes-- | :/ |
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| 04:59.25 | klhrevolutionist | cd /usr/share/docs/ && gunzip *.gz |
| 05:01.24 | Hobbes-- | Could I ever come to this channel without three people telling me do so something other than what I want to do? |
| 05:01.25 | simonrvn | s,docs,doc, |
| 05:01.25 | klhrevolutionist | it's free help... |
| 05:01.25 | Hobbes-- | It's the wrong answer, too. |
| 05:01.25 | Hobbes-- | you could have also said to just zcat all the files when I want to read them. |
| 05:01.25 | simonrvn | you could always enable deflate in apache |
| 05:01.25 | Guerin | Hobbes--: stop bleating. |
| 05:01.25 | punsad | Hobbes--: what is it that you want to do? |
| 05:01.34 | shogunx | !phillysmite Hobbes-- |
| 05:01.45 | Guerin | punsad: whine and piss and moan instead of configuring his browser |
| 05:01.48 | cmanns | Where are the kernel c header files? |
| 05:02.02 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: : thanks for your help. I'm off to try this. |
| 05:02.04 | simonrvn | /usr/include |
| 05:02.09 | Hobbes-- | simonrvn: the files are compressed in the file system. |
| 05:02.16 | Guerin | cmanns: install the linux-headers package for your kernel and they'll be in /usr/share/ |
| 05:02.16 | simonrvn | yes, i know |
| 05:02.23 | klhrevolutionist | PotataChipz: no prob ;) |
| 05:02.28 | simonrvn | /usr/share ? |
| 05:02.36 | simonrvn | !cluebat Guerin |
| 05:02.47 | Hobbes-- | Guerin: that is EXACTLY what I asked for. What I didn't ask for was people telling me what gz was for. |
| 05:03.15 | Hobbes-- | How do I make my browser display text files that happen to be gzipped? |
| 05:03.23 | Guerin | Hobbes--: ascii stupid question, get a stupid ansii, that's all I can say |
| 05:03.29 | simonrvn | .:01:01:20:. <simonrvn> you could always enable deflate in apache |
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| 05:04.03 | punsad | wow... can a browser do that? |
| 05:04.07 | Hobbes-- | simonrvn: does not compute. How would that change anything? |
| 05:04.13 | Hobbes-- | punsad: it did in 1997... |
| 05:04.21 | punsad | which browser? |
| 05:04.30 | Hobbes-- | internet explorer, for one. |
| 05:04.36 | Hobbes-- | netscape.. |
| 05:04.45 | cmanns | thx Guerin |
| 05:04.53 | Hobbes-- | it's gzip guys. It's older than several of the users of this channel. |
| 05:05.50 | punsad | So did you ever figure out how to make your browser do it now? |
| 05:06.05 | weld | can i just remove a smlinkk from a /et/rc?.d/ dir? or is there something i have to be aware of? |
| 05:06.12 | Hobbes-- | punsad: I assure you that your browser does this every day. |
| 05:06.31 | wils0n__ | s/several/most/ |
| 05:06.37 | Hobbes-- | many webservers compress files on the fly.. and your browser decompresses them on the fly. |
| 05:06.41 | punsad | Hobbes--: oh... I thought you were having a hard time getting it to do that |
| 05:06.50 | punsad | nevermind |
| 05:06.53 | shogunx | Hobbes--, I would not be happy if i saw tarred files every time I browse to a tarball... |
| 05:06.53 | Hobbes-- | punsad: I am... |
| 05:07.05 | Guerin | the real question is, given you're now crowing your knowledge on this topic to all who can hear, why didn't you just fucking do it in the first place? |
| 05:07.06 | punsad | so what's the problem? |
| 05:07.08 | wils0n__ | Hobbes--: why are you trying to view gzipped files in the browser? |
| 05:07.21 | Hobbes-- | they are text files. |
| 05:07.44 | Hobbes-- | somebody, at some point is going to have to run file on them.. I don't care if the httpd does it or if the browser does it. |
| 05:07.48 | wils0n__ | Hobbes--: you have control over the server? |
| 05:07.49 | punsad | Hobbes--: give me a link... lemme se if mine does it |
| 05:07.57 | Hobbes-- | wils0n__: it's localhost. |
| 05:08.47 | Hobbes-- | wait, guys, you know what I'm talking about, right? hold, |
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| 05:08.47 | wils0n__ | so make your server uncompress. HTTP 1.1 supports compression. |
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| 05:08.47 | simonrvn | whatever. both browser and server have to be able to handle it. iceweasel can, apache can. configure both. finished. |
| 05:08.58 | shogunx | yep |
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| 05:10.39 | weld | hi, i'm using debian, can i just remove a symlink from a /et/rc?.d dir? or is there something i have to be aware of? |
| 05:10.40 | alaya__ | google: apache gzip uncompress hit #2 |
| 05:10.42 | Hobbes-- | simonrvn: I don't know how to configure either. |
| 05:11.00 | Hobbes-- | alaya__: gee, thanks. |
| 05:11.36 | alaya__ | sudo /usr/sbin/apache2 -V |
| 05:11.53 | klhrevolutionist | weld: apt-get install file-rc |
| 05:11.58 | alaya__ | don't look like its built in, and can't find .deb package for the mod either... |
| 05:12.03 | klhrevolutionist | yucky symlink'n |
| 05:12.51 | Hobbes-- | alaya__: if you'd bothered to read that page before implied that I hadn't read it this afternoon, you'd know that thay guy's modules are 1. not maintained, 2. only work in 1.3.x apache, and 3, he suggests using the apache2 "filter" directives to get the same effect. |
| 05:12.53 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: : okay, the commandline grub gives me is within grub itself; I assume it's limited. it doesn't recognize 'grub' or 'su'. The 'root (hdx, y)' just tells me the filesystem type, has no effect. However, doing find /boot/grub/stage1 returns File Not Found. I assume that's bad? |
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| 05:13.20 | Hobbes-- | listen I'm gonna take a break from irc for a bit. I'm being rude to people and I don't mean to be. |
| 05:13.32 | klhrevolutionist | PotataChipz: ok your in the grub commandline: good ! |
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| 05:13.44 | Hobbes-- | sorry all. Got ahead of myself. I'm just annoyed that this has taken longer than 3 secs to fix. |
| 05:13.48 | alaya__ | Hobbes--: no i didn't bother to read that page, because i don't give a shit about the issue, and was just trying to help in some way. sorry i tried. |
| 05:13.59 | klhrevolutionist | PotataChipz: do you know where grub exists on your hard drive ? |
| 05:14.25 | Hobbes-- | alaya__: yes, you're right. I'm sorry, see above, too. |
| 05:14.40 | klhrevolutionist | PotataChipz: for instance: root (hd0,1) |
| 05:15.10 | alaya__ | Hobbes--: you can set the browser to open it with ark |
| 05:15.18 | klhrevolutionist | PotataChipz: What partition did you install debian ? |
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| 05:15.53 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: uhh... no, I don't understand. I am using grub for dos, so I just had to copy grldr and menu.lst to C:\ and then tell boot.ini about it |
| 05:16.23 | klhrevolutionist | PotataChipz: I seriously don't know how to use windows.. was not joking before.. |
| 05:16.38 | klhrevolutionist | I cannot help you from windows.. |
| 05:16.42 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: as I said, since the filesystem for (hd0,1) is ext2fs, I assume that's where debian is |
| 05:16.48 | klhrevolutionist | ok |
| 05:17.05 | klhrevolutionist | then tell grub that by entering: root (hd0,1) |
| 05:17.53 | mathesis | how can i config variable entorno java for all system debiab? |
| 05:17.59 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: then what? |
| 05:18.23 | klhrevolutionist | after that tell grub: setup (hd0) |
| 05:18.42 | mathesis | how can java for all system= |
| 05:18.45 | mathesis | ? |
| 05:18.45 | klhrevolutionist | that command will install grub to the master boot record and it will setup the info you provided. |
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| 05:19.36 | klhrevolutionist | afterwards you can copy & paste and incorporate your existing partition data from the previous menu.lst from the backup copy you made. |
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| 05:20.09 | klhrevolutionist | once that is all said and done tell grub to shutup and leave: type quit<font size="3"> and reboot.</font> |
| 05:20.54 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: augh, but the reason that I don't want grub to be installed to the mbr is because this thinkpad lappy has a hidden recovery partition and things that I have read advise me not to mess with the MBR... |
| 05:20.54 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">then tell grub to install it to floppy..</font> |
| 05:20.59 | PotataChipz | I don't have a floppy drive D: |
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| 05:21.45 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">setup (fd0()</font> |
| 05:21.49 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">yikes..</font> |
| 05:21.54 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">setup (fd0)</font> |
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| 05:22.08 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">and if no floppy, then wtf do you plan to boot from ?</font> |
| 05:22.10 | h4ngedm4n | an alternative if you dont want to mess up the hidden recovery partition on your hard disk is to just take out the hard disk and stick in a fresh one |
| 05:22.22 | Sisk | Has anyone else had problems getting fglrx to work right if the framebuffer is activated? |
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| 05:22.35 | mzuverink | Is there a netinstall image for the test dist, I only see full cd's and dvd inmages? |
| 05:22.48 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: what do you mean, what do I plan to boot from? |
| 05:23.17 | Sisk | mzuverink: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:23.22 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">as in what do you plan to boot from if no floppy and no mbr to install to ?</font> |
| 05:23.34 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">where did you install grub to last time ?</font> |
| 05:24.12 | mzuverink | Sisk, so those are for testing and not etch? |
| 05:24.34 | Hobbes-- | hi, klhrevolutionist, your irc client is imbeding html tags in your messages. |
| 05:24.44 | Hobbes-- | s/im/em/ |
| 05:24.53 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">darn irc...</font> |
| 05:25.04 | Sisk | Yeah, those are the weekly installers for testing. |
| 05:25.07 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">lets all switch to jabber then??</font> |
| 05:25.17 | jeffwheeler | klhrevolutionist: let's not |
| 05:25.24 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">;)</font> |
| 05:25.32 | Sisk | weekly and daily. |
| 05:25.49 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist : when I asked about this before, I was informed that grub didn't neccesarily need to be installed to the MBR. I'm using grub for dos, which I guess you won't be able to help me with, because I didn't install it anywheres, I let windows find it through boot.ini |
| 05:26.16 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">yep..</font> |
| 05:26.24 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">I can't help you..</font> |
| 05:26.24 | jeffwheeler | Wahoo! I got Emacs compiled into a package directly, basically by following these scripts, which I'll try to clean up a bit now (I didn't write them...). |
| 05:26.28 | Sisk | Fair warning, I just set a box up and today's daily netinst build was giving me fits. |
| 05:26.34 | mzuverink | Sisk, thank you |
| 05:26.40 | jeffwheeler | (i.e., emacs-snapshot, straight from cvs) |
| 05:26.49 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">buncha devels in here...</font> |
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| 05:27.23 | speedy | can i run 32bit applications on amd64 kernel? |
| 05:27.34 | PotataChipz | klhrevolutionist: well, sincere thanks for your help anyway. I'm gonna go see if google has become a better friend... |
| 05:27.56 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">heh</font> |
| 05:28.24 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">beware, google has been known to befriend...</font> |
| 05:28.33 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">I'm out folks.</font> |
| 05:28.44 | klhrevolutionist | <font size="3">I hope you enjoyed this segment of the revolution.</font> |
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| 05:31.08 | Hobbes-- | simonrvn: Is there a way to make mod_deflate read a changelog.gz off the disk and send text to the browser? ..I don't see an option for that. |
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| 05:39.56 | Kevin` | [RuN(n=HaNiNerd@85.100.192.135)] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 05:39.58 | Kevin` | ban please |
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| 05:44.05 | robboplus | can someone please tell me if MAC is being trasmitted over tcp/ip beyond lan? |
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| 05:44.49 | unstable | What does the acronym PA mean when refering to audio? |
| 05:45.02 | robboplus | perfect audio? :) |
| 05:45.29 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: nope, MACs don't propogate past your gateway for sure, and don't make it across network segments, either. (but most lans are just one segment) |
| 05:45.58 | Hobbes-- | PA is public address system. Like, a microphone and a loudspeaker. |
| 05:46.03 | click170 | robboplus: The rest of the internet only see's your gateway's MAC, if that at all |
| 05:46.06 | robboplus | Hobbes-- so there is no way to block attacker using his MAC |
| 05:46.36 | click170 | robboplus: Is this attacker on your LAN? |
| 05:46.40 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: an attacker from the net, not your lan? Right. MACs aren't used for that kind of thing. |
| 05:46.40 | robboplus | nope |
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| 05:47.07 | robboplus | i managed to grab his MAC but still it won't make much sense to add that to iptables, aye? |
| 05:47.12 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: anyway, if she or he is hitting you from more than one IP, he's probably actually using multiple machines. |
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| 05:47.21 | robboplus | nope, just 1 machine |
| 05:47.23 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: you probably did not manage to grab his mac. |
| 05:47.25 | robboplus | but he is on dynamic ip |
| 05:47.36 | click170 | robboplus: You could block his MAC, to some affect, but it would be a much better idea to actually patch the hole he/she is exploiting to get in to your lan? |
| 05:47.44 | ameyer | any self-respecting haxxor has multiple machines... |
| 05:47.56 | robboplus | he is a lamer, not a haxor |
| 05:48.06 | robboplus | i just have enough of his attempts |
| 05:48.10 | ameyer | but there's a good chance robboplus is dealing with a script kiddie |
| 05:48.12 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: regardless, you're barking up the wrong tree. |
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| 05:48.19 | click170 | robbopplus: I agree with Hobbes |
| 05:48.20 | robboplus | right. |
| 05:48.33 | Hobbes-- | :D bye run |
| 05:48.34 | robboplus | ok then all i can do is drop his whole ip class.. |
| 05:48.41 | robboplus | which is alot |
| 05:48.55 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: or do it via dns, if his isp makes that easy. |
| 05:49.09 | robboplus | Hobbes-- via dns? |
| 05:49.15 | click170 | robboplus: you can use iptables to block an incoming MAC address if you really need to, but its still barking up the wrong tree in my opinion |
| 05:49.28 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: or do it by traffic type... or traffic type + ip combo... |
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| 05:49.41 | robboplus | click170 hm i'm testing it.. just curious if it works :) |
| 05:50.05 | click170 | robboplus: I can vouce for the iptables MAC match working, I've used it many a time for many things. |
| 05:50.20 | robboplus | Hobbes-- still there is this same problem to solve.. he is using a huge dhcp pool and whatever i filter out it will hit many people, not just him |
| 05:50.27 | ameyer | macs can be faked though... |
| 05:50.47 | robboplus | click hm. |
| 05:50.53 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: take a look at my IP/hostname. I don't know how big my possible IP range is, but, I know that the om.om. stands for my city. So... You could limit your ban to a mere 800,000 people by blocking only hosts that match that... |
| 05:51.02 | click170 | robboplys: What exactly is your situation? Maybe we can offer a more accurate solution? |
| 05:51.21 | robboplus | Hobbes-- i read you but in that case there is NO way to limit in whatever way |
| 05:51.34 | robboplus | click170 that's very kind of you |
| 05:52.06 | ameyer | you could always block a /0 |
| 05:52.11 | ameyer | or would that be a /32 |
| 05:52.14 | click170 | robboplus: You could block his IP class from accessing whatever ports this person is trying to access, that would be better then flat out blocking the hole block... |
| 05:52.15 | robboplus | click170 i'm simply running a service that is public and everyone is free to connect to it but i just don't want this particular person to use it as he abuses it with many reconnects |
| 05:52.27 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: if his big dhcp pool is bigger than his city.. then.. you would have selected a more narrow range by using the dns.. assuming that his ISP even works as mine does. |
| 05:52.40 | click170 | robboplus: In that case, just limit the number of incoming connections, there is an iptables match for that as well |
| 05:52.58 | click170 | robboplus: You can limit it to say, 5 incoming connections in 1 minute from X IP. |
| 05:52.59 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: did you consider layer7? What's the service? Does each client have a username or ID? |
| 05:53.00 | robboplus | click170 there is but it's not easy to use |
| 05:53.07 | ameyer | just wondering, what ISP are we talking about here |
| 05:53.09 | click170 | robboplus: Tuchae. |
| 05:53.34 | robboplus | brb |
| 05:53.50 | ameyer | erm, nevermind, i need to go to bed anyway |
| 05:54.15 | Hobbes-- | click, "touche" with a right leaning tick on the e. |
| 05:54.34 | click170 | Hobbes: Thank you, I've actually never bothered to investigate the correct spelling lol |
| 05:54.48 | Hobbes-- | his, too. |
| 05:58.02 | robboplus | click170 would you happen to have a working example of that connection limiting handy? |
| 05:58.06 | click170 | Hmm |
| 05:58.12 | robboplus | i really tried to read up on that |
| 05:58.20 | robboplus | and it's like a jungle |
| 05:58.34 | click170 | Kind of. I use Arno's Iptables Firewall, and it is used in there. I would be able to get you the syntax etc, by copying and pasting his usage? |
| 05:58.42 | robboplus | if only i could limt an ip to say 1 connection per minute on certain port i would be just fine |
| 05:58.59 | robboplus | that would be VERY kind of you |
| 05:59.11 | robboplus | and your help would me mostly appreciated click170. |
| 05:59.15 | robboplus | be* |
| 05:59.42 | click170 | robboplus: I actually have a minute or two, I'm inclined to see if I can put a rule together for you. |
| 05:59.54 | robboplus | so many thanks again click170 |
| 06:00.08 | robboplus | sometimes you just need a quick solution.. you know how it feels for sure |
| 06:00.10 | click170 | I wouldn't mind knowing how to fluentlty write them myself lol |
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| 06:00.17 | robboplus | he he |
| 06:00.27 | robboplus | i really tried before too |
| 06:00.42 | robboplus | there should be at least one damn tutorial on this |
| 06:01.02 | click170 | Sometimes ya gotta write your own tutorial, its part of using linux ;) |
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| 06:01.22 | robboplus | spot on :) |
| 06:01.47 | robboplus | i wrote tons of those.. just not feeling like this kind of stuff now |
| 06:02.04 | click170 | I love iptables. I want it to have my children. |
| 06:02.14 | robboplus | he he |
| 06:02.35 | ilj | hy guys. how does one change a repository mirror for apt-get and where does one obtain a list of available reps? |
| 06:02.37 | wils0n__ | It already had my children. |
| 06:02.48 | robboplus | lol wils0n |
| 06:03.29 | robboplus | ilj it's in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:03.45 | Hobbes-- | ilj, http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+mirrors first hit if I recall correctly. |
| 06:03.47 | click170 | robboplus: 3 incoming connections per 1 minute? |
| 06:03.52 | robboplus | after making a change in there make sure you run apt-get update |
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| 06:04.03 | robboplus | click170 i would love it if it was just ONE per minute :) |
| 06:04.11 | robboplus | but it really doesn't matter |
| 06:04.17 | Hobbes-- | robboplus: I can only assume that if -- right. hehe. |
| 06:04.24 | robboplus | he he |
| 06:04.36 | Hobbes-- | s/3/1/ |
| 06:04.37 | Hobbes-- | ;) |
| 06:06.08 | click170 | robboplus: Ok, now I just have to wait a second to see if it's gunna let one through every minute. |
| 06:06.22 | robboplus | click170 you are very kind |
| 06:06.31 | Guerin | click170: wouldn't you have to wait a minute? |
| 06:06.39 | ilj | robboplus, and where do I get a list of availabel repositories? |
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| 06:06.51 | robboplus | btw is 60 seconds the lowest it can go or can you count in e.g. 30 secs time frame? |
| 06:06.54 | click170 | robboplus: The usage you are looking for is '--match limit --limit 1/minute', are you able to make an iptables rule with that? |
| 06:07.01 | click170 | robboplus: It can go lower |
| 06:07.09 | click170 | robboplus: seconds |
| 06:07.10 | robboplus | ilj: Hobbes-- already told you |
| 06:07.13 | mefistofeles | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/octave2.9-forge... why I cant see this pkg with apt?? |
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| 06:07.19 | robboplus | click170 damn that's really sweet then |
| 06:07.39 | ilj | robboplus, sorry, didn't see ^_^ |
| 06:07.59 | robboplus | click170 i'm just not sure if i need to build a custom chain for that or not |
| 06:08.04 | Guerin | mefistofeles: are you running unstable? |
| 06:08.16 | mefistofeles | Guerin: yes |
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| 06:08.26 | Hobbes-- | mefistofeles: apt-get update ? |
| 06:08.29 | click170 | robboplus: For example, if my default policy for input is drop, and I add `iptables -I INPUT -p icmp -m limit --limit 1/minute -j ACCEPT`, then I would be pingable by someone only once every minute |
| 06:08.42 | ilj | Hobbes--, first hit, you recall correctly. thank you. |
| 06:08.46 | ilj | robboplus, thank you too. |
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| 06:08.53 | click170 | robboplus: Are you already using an iptables firewall? |
| 06:09.01 | robboplus | click170 hm that really sounds good |
| 06:09.03 | mefistofeles | Hobbes--: did that twice already heh |
| 06:09.06 | robboplus | yes but it's kind of basic |
| 06:09.20 | Hobbes-- | mefistofeles: is that package in non-free or something? Or contrib? |
| 06:09.29 | mefistofeles | Hobbes--: check that link http://packages.debian.org/unstable/octave2.9-forge... in the download section it says only kfreebsd...what does that mean? |
| 06:09.32 | robboplus | click170 and my default is ACCEPT :) |
| 06:10.10 | Hobbes-- | mefistofeles: oh, well, that refers to an architecture. I didn't know that we had an architecture called kfreebsd. But, ok. |
| 06:10.23 | click170 | robboplus: If your default is accept then... we can invert the sense of the rule with an !, to drop any incomings more then once a minute. Lemme see |
| 06:10.37 | mefistofeles | Hobbes--: didnt know that either... would that mean that it's not available for my architecture? |
| 06:10.41 | robboplus | click170 i was just wondering about same thing |
| 06:10.58 | Guerin | mefistofeles: what does apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy octave; say (use paster) |
| 06:11.10 | mefistofeles | Guerin: ok wait a sec |
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| 06:11.49 | click170 | robboplus: Darn, the limit can't be inverted using a ! |
| 06:11.56 | Guerin | mefistofeles: oh, if it's only on kfreebsd then you won't have it if runnoing debian gnu/linux |
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| 06:12.33 | Guerin | ZOMG, the guy asking about the broken crappy LSI server should have used kfreebsd! |
| 06:12.43 | mefistofeles | Guerin: hmmm maybe thats why, anyway... http://paste.debian.net/39585 |
| 06:12.48 | mefistofeles | (its on spanish though) |
| 06:13.02 | robboplus | click170 doh :) hm.. |
| 06:13.21 | robboplus | click170 but if i got it right then.. hmm.. 1 sec |
| 06:13.25 | Guerin | mefistofeles: yeah. that version is all that's available on your arch. |
| 06:13.27 | Hobbes-- | mefistofeles: that package you are looking at is octave2.9-forge --that's a very strange naming convention. Try this: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=octave-forge |
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| 06:14.00 | click170 | robboplus: Maybe I'm having some kind of massive brain fart, but its looking to me like you might have to create some kind of basic firewall to allow ESTABLISHED,RELATED traffic so that you would be able to use the policy DROP, allowing you in trurn to use that iptables rule with the target ACCEPT |
| 06:14.14 | robboplus | click170 if i tell it e.g. drop anything incoming more often than 1 time per minute.. wouldn't it just work? |
| 06:14.43 | click170 | robboplus: Maybe, I'm testing it on icmp traffic so I might not be looking at the hole picture. Like I said, possible brainfart moment |
| 06:15.08 | mefistofeles | Hobbes--: I get for sarge and etch... and for octave2.1 I need for octave 2.9... I guess I have to wait... apparently that package doesnt exist for my arch |
| 06:15.11 | robboplus | i am already using drop for certain ip classes - it's still possible with default accept (i know it's bad to have accept though) |
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| 06:16.00 | Hobbes-- | mefistofeles: try looking for someone outside of debian.org that makes octave-forge debs. |
| 06:16.14 | mefistofeles | Hobbes--: ok, thanks |
| 06:16.45 | Hobbes-- | mefistofeles: normally I wouldn't recommend that, but, if it's for math, well.. Ya gotta work with what you got to get the job done. :) |
| 06:17.52 | click170 | iptables -A INPUT -p [TCP/UDP] --dport X -m limit --limit 1/minute -j ACCEPT Combined with a |
| 06:17.52 | click170 | iptables -A INPUT -p [TCP/UDP] --dport X -j DROP |
| 06:17.52 | click170 | That would do it, but it also requires that those two rules remain together in your iptables chain, in that specific order, and at the end of the input chain. I can't vouche for it's usefullness if you put those rules anywhere else in the chain or on any other table |
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| 06:18.10 | mefistofeles | Hobbes--: I think I have to install it manually heh |
| 06:18.43 | nielsle | mefistoles if you just need one or two functions from octave-forge, then you can just download them from octave.sourceforge.net. |
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| 06:18.51 | click170 | robboplus: Hows that look to you? |
| 06:19.13 | robboplus | oh wow click170 |
| 06:19.15 | foug | I am having trouble writing to my external hard drive. I'm downloaded the FUSE package, but ntfs-3g still won't install |
| 06:19.47 | click170 | robboplus: I hope I don't have to explain to pick either TCP ^or^ UDP, and to fill in the correct port there ;) |
| 06:19.52 | mefistofeles | nielsle: yeah |
| 06:19.55 | mefistofeles | nielsle: thx |
| 06:19.59 | robboplus | click170 of course not :) |
| 06:20.30 | robboplus | i do appreciate your helping hand - very good practical example of that stuff |
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| 06:20.50 | robboplus | and it doesn't seem this hard either after all |
| 06:21.07 | robboplus | it's just that i saw a mad example with custom chains etc. i was sure i needed all that |
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| 06:21.36 | click170 | robboplus: Thanks. Its always fun learning new stuff hehe. No, it certainly doesn't seem that hard. Thats the thing, it doesn't seem so daunting once you've rtfm lol |
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| 06:22.32 | robboplus | click170 the thing is that the reading never ends :) |
| 06:22.44 | click170 | robboplus: Neither does the learning ;) |
| 06:22.49 | robboplus | so true |
| 06:23.25 | click170 | robboplus: Well its been fun, but I've been successfully distracted from my origional task, and must now return to it. |
| 06:23.26 | robboplus | but hm, are you sure that combining those 2 lines as shown i woudn't cut myself off? |
| 06:23.37 | robboplus | by* |
| 06:23.38 | click170 | robboplus: How do you mean? |
| 06:24.12 | robboplus | i will just try it in practice in a sec :) |
| 06:24.17 | click170 | robboplus: It is crucial that the rules are in the order that you see them as displayed above, ACCEPT ^before^ DROP |
| 06:24.24 | robboplus | and i will add some more e.g. ping |
| 06:24.44 | robboplus | oh i read you, drop just comes LAST in the input chain |
| 06:24.55 | click170 | robboplus: If you have the DROP before the ACCEPT then yes, you would be screwed for getting to that port lol |
| 06:25.00 | robboplus | so the rules would pick up anything worth goin tru |
| 06:25.52 | click170 | robboplus: Its broad enough to accept only traffic to that port, which is the only traffic you (seemed) to have wanted to affect, and it only drops the traffic that is ^not^ accepted under the condition of once a minute... so I think thats right..... *scratches chin* |
| 06:26.12 | robboplus | hm sounds right |
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| 06:26.56 | click170 | robboplus: iptables is kinky that way, you can add as many matches as you like, creating some pretty smexy rules. |
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| 06:28.35 | robboplus | click170 i'm getting addicted to this :) |
| 06:29.44 | click170 | robboplus: An amusing practical use ;) http://ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 06:29.49 | robboplus | click i have one last question regarding that thing |
| 06:29.59 | robboplus | lol ok will check out soon :) |
| 06:30.08 | click170 | robboplus: shoot |
| 06:30.35 | robboplus | did the rule you kindly pasted allow for EACH ip to connect 1 time per minute or is it TOTAL for all incoming connections within 60 seconds and the rest goes to bin? |
| 06:30.53 | click170 | robboplus: Fantastic question! |
| 06:30.56 | robboplus | lol |
| 06:30.58 | click170 | robboplus: Pondering... |
| 06:31.17 | click170 | robboplus: Nope, thats all connections. |
| 06:31.23 | click170 | robboplus: Thats bad. |
| 06:31.28 | robboplus | it is :) |
| 06:31.36 | click170 | robboplus: pondering... |
| 06:32.46 | robboplus | ok but i see a solution |
| 06:32.56 | click170 | robboplus: You do? Do share! |
| 06:32.59 | robboplus | if only we could limit the time frame to say 10 seconds |
| 06:33.04 | robboplus | and make it count there |
| 06:33.15 | robboplus | the point is to stop flooding of that port |
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| 06:33.44 | robboplus | so i could accept e.g. 1 connection per 10 seconds |
| 06:33.49 | rutski | why does "usermod -a wheel rutski" print the help message? |
| 06:33.53 | rutski | as if it were invalid syntad |
| 06:33.57 | rutski | **syntax |
| 06:33.57 | click170 | robboplus: Yes, but if we don't find a way to make that 'limit' operate on individual IPs, then it will still be fundamentally possible to DoS you no matter what we set the time to |
| 06:34.03 | robboplus | but it's different than accepting 6 per minute :) |
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| 06:34.29 | robboplus | conntrack? |
| 06:34.39 | click170 | robboplus: I don't know what service your working with, I don't know whats feasible and what isn't. |
| 06:34.49 | click170 | robboplus: conntrack might be the way to do it. |
| 06:35.05 | robboplus | it's just a tcp |
| 06:35.14 | robboplus | each time a user connects it triggers the db |
| 06:35.20 | click170 | robboplus: No, conntrack ^is^ the way to do it, I just haven't used it myself before... hmm, back to rtfm |
| 06:35.32 | robboplus | they are able to flood it with a single key press |
| 06:35.44 | robboplus | but each key press creates another established state |
| 06:36.18 | robboplus | click170 if all goes well we have a nice tutorial ready yet today :) |
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| 06:37.04 | click170 | robboplus: Well you could easily modify that rule I gave you, changing 'minute' to 'hour' 'second' or 'day' |
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| 06:37.36 | robboplus | click170 day works even? so cool :) |
| 06:38.00 | click170 | robboplus: The thing about conntrack is that I believe it requires some kind of userspace interaction or something along those lines, and that was enought to scare me away from it in my earlier more impressionable days, so I never picked up it's syntax myself |
| 06:38.21 | robboplus | how about making it 5 or 10 seconds? not sure if that's possible |
| 06:38.46 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, I've built a Debian fileserver on a Gb network using Gb NIC's. I'm experiencing slow file xferes (tested with samba and SCP) from a Vista and WinXP/2K3 machine. How can I best troubleshoot this issue? |
| 06:38.46 | robboplus | well i'm not really into conntrack myself, just basics |
| 06:39.01 | rutski | is it possible to maintain a local dpkg setup? |
| 06:39.12 | streuner | !own repo |
| 06:39.12 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 06:39.13 | click170 | robboplus: Yup, just change '1/minute' to '5/second' I think |
| 06:39.19 | rutski | such that I can install dpkg files locally to some private subdir like ~/local ? |
| 06:39.28 | rutski | I tried --instdir and --root |
| 06:39.36 | rutski | but both of those say that I need to be root anyway |
| 06:39.40 | rutski | I can't imagine why |
| 06:39.42 | robboplus | click170 that gives 5 connections per second i believe? |
| 06:39.58 | robboplus | and the goal is 1 per 5 seconds he he |
| 06:40.04 | robboplus | or 10 seconds |
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| 06:41.02 | robboplus | now that's harder he he and there is a difference between having 1 per 10 seconds and 6 per 60 seconds... one can use the limit within 2-3 seconds on the 2nd one. and he can't do that with the 1st method |
| 06:41.34 | click170 | robboplus: Ok, I think I misread it, you are able to do it based on per second, per minute, per hour, per day, etc, not per 5 seconds. Doesn't seem to let you input denominations of seconds |
| 06:41.36 | robboplus | not sure if i explained it well but i'm trying |
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| 06:42.31 | ameyer | 12 per minute is kinda 1 per 5 seconds |
| 06:42.39 | robboplus | click170 that means that someone will flood the port with a connections and then the port becomes unavailable for say another 50 seconds to everyone else, which is bad imho |
| 06:43.02 | robboplus | s/a/some/ |
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| 06:43.16 | click170 | robboplus: This all boils back down to the fact that we are ^still^ operating on ^all^ connections, when we should be limiting it to per IP. I'm trying to work with conntrack here.... |
| 06:43.39 | robboplus | hm that's right, single ip would sort it all out |
| 06:44.08 | click170 | robboplus: As long as we are looking at the internet as a hole instead of individual IPs, the problem is still there. |
| 06:44.28 | mathesis | http://compuevlucion.com/errorinstalliscadmin |
| 06:45.18 | click170 | robboplus: I have the answer captain! |
| 06:45.22 | click170 | connlimit |
| 06:45.28 | robboplus | oh wow |
| 06:45.35 | robboplus | a connlimit? |
| 06:46.10 | robboplus | so it's something that goes instead of --limit stuff |
| 06:46.52 | click170 | Hmm. No, its going to have to be used in conjunction with.... and thats something that I don't know if I can even begin to wrap my head around at this hour.... Let me just have a toke and stare at this some more..... |
| 06:47.59 | robboplus | i will try to get creative too |
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| 06:50.08 | click170 | robboplus: I think I was wrong, I don't think those two are going to give us the combined result that we're looking for. I've found a match called hashlimit, I'm checking that one out |
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| 06:50.33 | robboplus | click170 where are you digging all those at? :) |
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| 06:51.14 | click170 | robboplus: rtfm lol |
| 06:51.21 | robboplus | he he |
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| 06:52.26 | click170 | robboplus: Oh, somethings happening, I think I'm having an epiphany... |
| 06:52.46 | robboplus | hrhm. |
| 06:53.02 | click170 | robboplus: directly before the '-j ACCEPT', add in this; |
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| 06:53.18 | click170 | robboplus: Wait, I have to test it first, hold on |
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| 06:54.41 | SpeedyG | hi, anyone here know what port qtorrent uses by default? |
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| 06:54.54 | robboplus | click170 wow |
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| 06:57.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | Is the 2006 key in stable now? |
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| 06:57.46 | mathesis | tengo instalado java y el instalador de una app hecha en java no se abre |
| 06:58.04 | mathesis | necesito poner el akgun path en el bashrc |
| 06:58.10 | mathesis | donde diga donde tengo java |
| 06:58.10 | click170 | robboplus: Oh very good, we can replace limit altogether with this one match. Just a second... |
| 06:58.41 | robboplus | click170 you are a genius. |
| 06:59.05 | robboplus | so glad to meet you today |
| 06:59.28 | dakoo | hey guys whats new |
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| 07:00.34 | click170 | robboplus: ... -m hashlimit --hashlimit 1/minute --hashlimit-mode srcip --hashlimit-name 420 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:00.47 | robboplus | oh hmmm. |
| 07:01.08 | click170 | robboplus, that will make it so that each IP can connect once per minute (I think) |
| 07:01.13 | robboplus | click170 it looks really cool |
| 07:01.40 | click170 | robboplus: Yeah hehe, dats just cause the match's name and options are really long lol |
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| 07:01.59 | cmanns | Is a a64 2800 much faster then a 2.6ghz p4? |
| 07:02.19 | wils0n__ | opteron? |
| 07:02.31 | robboplus | click170 cant wait to try it :) so many thanks - i will let you know in a while |
| 07:02.32 | cmanns | 754 a64 4 yrs old :P |
| 07:02.39 | click170 | robboplus: FYI, --hashlimit-name 420 is the name of the table, and can be changed to anything alphanumeric it looks like |
| 07:02.54 | click170 | robboplus: Yes, let me know. I'm eager to see if it works. |
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| 07:03.08 | cast | cmanns: tomshardware.com ... |
| 07:03.15 | robboplus | click170 so it's just a dummy stuff in there and can be anything as long as it's alpha, aye? |
| 07:03.32 | wils0n__ | cmanns: an opteron has a much better front side bus as compared to a p4 |
| 07:03.33 | click170 | robboplus: looks like, yup |
| 07:04.25 | cmanns | What about a sempron k7 2500? |
| 07:04.41 | robboplus | click170 working on it now |
| 07:05.07 | cmanns | I got a old k8n mobo I'm trying to mod a cooler to fit it dunno if all this trouble is worth it since my 2500 has a working cooler, the p4 is really slow dunno which is better though |
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| 07:06.24 | robboplus | click170 testing :) |
| 07:07.02 | Snapser | Can anyone recommend a good 14.1" notebook? Approx. $1600-1800 USD? |
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| 07:08.32 | xingu | Snapser: I picked up an asus 5920g for the sterling equivalent; 15.4" though :) |
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| 07:08.47 | Snapser | needs to be a but more mooobile~ |
| 07:08.52 | xlq | ifup -a takes ages with the ethernet disconnected |
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| 07:09.07 | xlq | can I speed this up? put it in background or something? |
| 07:09.21 | xlq | the ifup -a is in an if statement in /etc/init.d/networking |
| 07:09.27 | cahoot | !ifplugd |
| 07:09.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, ifplugd is a laptop users best friend. ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. |
| 07:10.26 | xlq | I don't want that though |
| 07:11.08 | xlq | !/etc/networking |
| 07:11.14 | xlq | !ifup |
| 07:11.22 | xlq | :( |
| 07:11.25 | cahoot | !interfaces |
| 07:11.26 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 07:11.53 | xlq | the question has more to do with the Debian boot process |
| 07:13.03 | Guerin | xlq: man interfaces |
| 07:13.23 | xlq | my network is configured fine when it is plugged in |
| 07:13.41 | xlq | but ifup -a takes a long time when nothing is plugged in to the ethernet socke |
| 07:13.42 | xlq | *socket |
| 07:13.51 | xlq | so I thought I may be able to background it on bootup |
| 07:14.16 | xlq | but I'm not sure how well this will work with Debian's init system |
| 07:15.47 | robboplus | click170 still testing, just saw something strange |
| 07:15.56 | click170 | robboplus: Whats that? |
| 07:16.10 | xlq | oh well, I'll just blindly edit my init scripts |
| 07:16.32 | click170 | xlq: This would be a good place to start, I'm still lookin. |
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| 07:16.52 | click170 | xlq: sorry forgot the link LOL http://www.linuxcommand.org/lts0080.php |
| 07:17.47 | xlq | yeah, I know how to background a process |
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| 07:18.18 | robboplus | click170 people seem to reconnect several times |
| 07:18.37 | robboplus | like they had some issues |
| 07:19.21 | click170 | robboplus: hehehe I see the problem |
| 07:19.27 | Gokee2_Laptop | If I want a debian user to not be allowed to chage user type settings (icon placement, printers, toolbars, all config) how would I do this? I also want a non-computer guy to be able to go in and change the settings in case something needs changed. I was thinking making the home of this non-chaging user owned by a diff user which the person alowed to change stuff could log into. Would this work? |
| 07:19.28 | click170 | robboplus: I forgot something crucual |
| 07:19.40 | robboplus | oh doh :) |
| 07:19.47 | click170 | robboplus: crucial*. It's matching ALL packets, not just the SYNs |
| 07:19.55 | robboplus | told you it was a tricky stuff... |
| 07:20.22 | robboplus | hm i still dont understand |
| 07:20.25 | click170 | robboplus: It is now evident that whatever your using sends all of its traffic to that one port and that there was lots of it lol, I did not know this. |
| 07:20.41 | click170 | robboplus: One second, this might be tricky. |
| 07:21.09 | robboplus | argh i'm starting to understand now |
| 07:21.46 | click170 | robboplus: I was thinking in terms of individual packets, but it looks like its got more beef to it. |
| 07:21.56 | robboplus | he he |
| 07:21.57 | Gokee2_Laptop | Blast, also is there a way to restart a mouse... I keep unplugging and repluging it in and sometimes it failes.... I REALLY don`t want to restart |
| 07:22.35 | click170 | xlq: Have you tried `nohup`? |
| 07:22.58 | click170 | xlq: Combined with putting it in the background, or something along those lines? |
| 07:23.36 | Snapser | xingu: What do you think about http://www.excaliberpc.com/ASUS_F8SV-A1_Intel_Core_2_Duo_T7500/partinfo-id-580899.html |
| 07:24.02 | click170 | robboplus: Ok, this solution is going to be based on the general way TCP connects, using SYN and ACK packets etc |
| 07:24.40 | robboplus | click170 is there anything that you cant do? |
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| 07:28.02 | xingu | Snapser: looks like a reasonable spec, but I like the 15.4" form factor - the keyboards tend to be nicer, and the extra screen real-estate is good too |
| 07:28.12 | click170 | robboplus: I got scared there for a second, I thought it wasn't going to let me load more then one match extention lol. |
| 07:28.18 | click170 | robboplus: Take a look; -m hashlimit --hashlimit 1/minute --hashlimit-mode srcip --hashlimit-name 420 --match tcp --syn -j ACCEPT |
| 07:28.39 | robboplus | hmmm. |
| 07:29.29 | robboplus | i will test in a sec and let you now how it goes there |
| 07:29.30 | click170 | robboplus: That ^should^ match only incoming ^tcp connection requests^, once per minute, and with the IP matching magic and all that so its per IP. |
| 07:29.45 | click170 | robboplus: This is fun :) |
| 07:29.46 | robboplus | hm |
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| 07:29.54 | robboplus | it really is |
| 07:30.09 | robboplus | i'm learning too :) |
| 07:30.21 | click170 | So am I hehe |
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| 07:34.26 | robboplus | click he he we have another prob sir |
| 07:34.36 | click170 | robboplus: delicious! |
| 07:34.39 | robboplus | now it got a bit weird |
| 07:34.47 | robboplus | no one could connect |
| 07:34.50 | robboplus | but |
| 07:34.52 | click170 | Hmm |
| 07:35.00 | robboplus | once i turned that off... they jumped in all at once |
| 07:35.05 | click170 | robboplus: I got it. |
| 07:35.06 | robboplus | this included me |
| 07:35.36 | robboplus | it was like they were caught in some kind of blackhole |
| 07:35.43 | click170 | robboplus: My bad, thats soo my bad. I forgot the drop |
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| 07:35.50 | click170 | They essentially were |
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| 07:36.13 | robboplus | oh lol |
| 07:36.20 | robboplus | this is fun |
| 07:36.24 | click170 | robboplus: Isn't iptables smexy? Damn. Anywho, the solution lies in the -j DROP statement. We need to add something to it. |
| 07:36.34 | robboplus | he he he |
| 07:37.22 | click170 | -m tcp --syn -j DROP should do it. Just add the same '-m tcp --syn' that we used in the first one, and then, I'm willing to bet you my shiny new iPod that it will work exactly as we want it to. |
| 07:37.29 | robboplus | this is a really good and funny iptables lesson |
| 07:37.44 | click170 | Oh totally, I hope I have the patience to put this up on my blog at the end. |
| 07:37.57 | robboplus | lol nice |
| 07:38.24 | robboplus | trying right now |
| 07:38.32 | xingu | click170: go on, tag offenders using recent and sin-bin them too |
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| 07:38.43 | robboplus | he he |
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| 07:38.55 | xingu | "no soup for you!" |
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| 07:39.29 | click170 | robboplus: iptables is all logic, it's not only about the rules your writing, it's also about how they will impact all the other rules in your chain. It can get complex very quickly. |
| 07:39.54 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 07:40.17 | click170 | Xingu: What exactly do you mean? And, no, I'm not talking about your accent or your soup lol |
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| 07:41.07 | xingu | click170: once hashlimit tells you that a given *source* is on the nose, route them via limit so that you can keep a history of them; basically, debounce that (now known-pathalogical) source |
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| 07:41.29 | simonrvn | i've missed most of this, so what did you do, exactly? use recent, some drop rules, and tag offenders via the tag in the recent rule or something? |
| 07:41.34 | xingu | click170: keep them on the limit queue until they go away and stay away for some backoff; and in the meantime, just drop *all* traffic from that source |
| 07:42.18 | robboplus | click170 it's very nice now - they can connect :) but :) |
| 07:42.22 | simonrvn | damn, i've been looking for something like this for a long time, heh |
| 07:42.35 | xingu | err, recent queue |
| 07:42.36 | robboplus | ...i managed to connect 4 times within 1 minute even though i set limit to 3/min |
| 07:42.38 | mne | hi guys, i was wondering if there is a way to automatically monitor a process and kill it if it takes too much time. I want to write a shell script that executes a process. however, if the process takes too long, the script should kill it |
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| 07:42.47 | xingu | let me try that lot again, this time with the coffee-enhanced brain in gear |
| 07:42.56 | xingu | click170: once hashlimit tells you that a given *source* is on the nose, route them via recent so that you can keep a history of them; basically, debounce that (now known-pathalogical) source |
| 07:43.03 | xingu | click170: keep them on the recent queue until they go away and stay away for some backoff; and in the meantime, just drop *all* traffic from that source |
| 07:43.07 | daveinthesky | hey guys.. /bin/arch is gone from util-linux on x86_64 (testing). is this expected? |
| 07:43.38 | click170 | Xingu: Thats brilliant. Sounds like it would be a bit of extra work though |
| 07:43.41 | simonrvn | looks like it. see the changelog |
| 07:43.46 | daveinthesky | thx |
| 07:44.02 | simonrvn | (gone from x86 32b too) |
| 07:44.03 | click170 | Xingu: Are you using some kind of firewall script or are you inputting your iptables rules manually? |
| 07:44.13 | xingu | click170: manually |
| 07:44.35 | xingu | click170: the recent match bit is surprisingly trivial; first-match is "already on recent? -> update recent -> drop" |
| 07:44.40 | simonrvn | xingu: what, you won't stick that in a script? |
| 07:44.44 | click170 | robboplus: Thats expected |
| 07:44.53 | xingu | click170: next match is "hashlimit-exceeded? -> mark recent -> drop" |
| 07:44.53 | click170 | robboplus: Any more then that though? |
| 07:45.03 | xingu | click170: last match is permit |
| 07:45.11 | robboplus | click170 hm nopem it looks pretty god |
| 07:45.14 | robboplus | good* |
| 07:45.27 | robboplus | s/nopem/nope/ |
| 07:45.33 | xingu | click170: #! script, pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces; have been toting the same one I wrote donkey's ago with me |
| 07:45.34 | click170 | robboplus: That has to do with the way it times it |
| 07:45.34 | robboplus | sorry, just can't type |
| 07:45.59 | click170 | robboplus: It times it so that it's one minute from the third last packet..... get what I'm saying? |
| 07:46.12 | robboplus | click170 let me think it over :) |
| 07:46.24 | robboplus | argh yes |
| 07:46.36 | click170 | robboplus: So if you send one packet, then pause, then two packets, then you will be able to send one more packet exactly one minute from sending the first packet |
| 07:46.45 | robboplus | ok so there are 3 "free" packets and then it starts counting |
| 07:46.49 | click170 | Yes |
| 07:46.51 | click170 | Wait |
| 07:46.52 | click170 | Maybe |
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| 07:48.13 | click170 | The timing is... interesting, but it works. |
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| 07:48.32 | robboplus | click170 what i managed to do exactly was opening that port 4 times in a row, each connect took place 10-12 secs after the previous one |
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| 07:48.48 | click170 | xingu: I would be very interested in seeing your script, it sounds like you've had figuratively, eons to put into it ;) |
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| 07:49.23 | Statskij | ×ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
| 07:49.50 | Statskij | õÍÅÎÑ ÎÅ ÒÁÓÐÁËÏ×Ù×ÁÀÔÓÑ ÁÒÈÉ×Ù *.rar |
| 07:49.51 | ameyer | umm, what the? |
| 07:50.04 | simonrvn | sorry i don't do KOI-* |
| 07:50.14 | xingu | click170: mine *only* does the recent-match bit; and it's not for general issue; but the logic is as per above with one small tweak - being - a first-match of "conntrack-established||related? -> permit" fastpath/ early exit. |
| 07:50.18 | simonrvn | do that in utf-8 |
| 07:50.31 | xingu | click170: ie, once a flow is set up, permit it and get on with business |
| 07:51.07 | click170 | xingu: The architecture that you have put into that is brilliant |
| 07:51.08 | xingu | click170: nb, some of these targets can chew serious cpu under load/stress |
| 07:51.24 | Statskij | Õ ÍÅÎÑ äÅÂÉÁÎ 4 ÓÂÏÒËÁ ÄÌÑ ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÏÒÁ amd64 |
| 07:51.34 | click170 | xingu: Yes, I'd always wondered about that, but I had never experienced it first hand |
| 07:51.35 | simonrvn | !ru |
| 07:51.35 | dpkg | well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 07:51.50 | ameyer | simonrvn: you sure about that? |
| 07:51.59 | simonrvn | pretty sure |
| 07:52.10 | ameyer | all I see is a bunch of weird-looking circles |
| 07:52.20 | Statskij | sorry |
| 07:52.26 | ameyer | and *.rar and amd64 |
| 07:52.31 | simonrvn | i see a bunch of accented caps |
| 07:52.32 | click170 | robboplus: Were you able to open any more then 4 connections? I wouldn't be able to do very much else without being able to reproduce the problem myself to take a look |
| 07:52.34 | xingu | click170: there's two dimensions to the loading generally; one, # of concurrent "sources" or flows (the wider the number of them, the deeper the tracking structures get and the longer it takes to scan them to prove no-match) |
| 07:52.39 | robboplus | !ops Msn is a spammer (aka RuN) |
| 07:52.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: robboplus complains about: Msn is a spammer (aka RuN) |
| 07:53.05 | xingu | click170: the other, is obviously per-flow arrival rate; higher packet rates == more lookups |
| 07:53.12 | ameyer | darn it, I somehow miss all the spam |
| 07:53.24 | Statskij | Bey |
| 07:53.26 | xingu | click170: you'll see your %sy go bananas as you start hitting memory bandwidth/ cpu limits. |
| 07:53.31 | simonrvn | same here. didn't used to. i'd get hit once in a while |
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| 07:53.51 | xingu | click170: one cpu package per 100-base NIC is usually a good rule of thumb if you're expecting extremely hostile working env. |
| 07:54.24 | click170 | xingu: Did you read about how to do that this somewhere? The most interesting idea I ever saw to combat the lookup time was to split it with rules for IP classes, basic stuff like that. I've never seen anyone handle it so efficiently like that |
| 07:56.38 | xingu | click170: there's not much you can really do beyond making sure that you stack the most expensive ops at the tail of the queue; treat the filter chains as a fsm and design for early-exit as much as possible |
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| 07:57.16 | xingu | click170: there's some research into more efficient match targets that continue to function for high levels of parallelism, trying to find a cite for you now |
| 07:57.50 | xingu | click170: netfilter does/will operate in a thread on the same cpu that the bottom-half interrupt handler runs on |
| 07:58.03 | xingu | click170: so once you hit limits, more cpu packages (one per interface) is usually the answer |
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| 07:58.53 | click170 | xingu: By cpu packages, what do you mean? I was thinking of getting an 8 core machine to do some of my evil experiments on, which has got me to wondering if netfiler will handle multi-cores well. |
| 07:59.02 | xingu | click170: my own rulechain is a pedantic little arse at the expense of cpu/memory bandwidth; you don't necessarily need to do anything other than a single match v the Rx-ing interface, but mine does Tx and forwarding for correctness |
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| 07:59.11 | xingu | click170: Nx core == single package |
| 07:59.31 | boodie | Hi would it be possible to extract just the audio from a DVD? |
| 07:59.51 | click170 | boodie: VLC? |
| 07:59.58 | xingu | click170: what you want is more packages; because each package has a single FSB and memory bandwidth quickly becomes a gating factor |
| 08:00.52 | boodie | click170: VLC? |
| 08:00.58 | click170 | xingu: So, 2 Cpus, 4 cores each, equals... 8 packages? Or is that only a mere 2 packages? |
| 08:01.02 | simonrvn | mencoder |
| 08:01.13 | click170 | boodie: VLC is a program across all OSs |
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| 08:01.30 | click170 | boodie: Google it, it can transcode nearly anything into nearly anything |
| 08:01.40 | greenmang0 | boodie: ffmpeg |
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| 08:01.56 | xingu | click170: 2 packages |
| 08:01.58 | simonrvn | it's in debian.. |
| 08:02.09 | xingu | click170: http://irqbalance.org/documentation.php <-- read through that lot, he's the man. |
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| 08:02.21 | click170 | xingu: Thankyou |
| 08:02.45 | xingu | click170: gimme a few to hunt down the snark on this science on efficient matching for you |
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| 08:03.35 | boodie | This is my dirty plan: I would like to record a DVD from a satellite radio (that broadcasts fine jazz), then rip out just the audio, and make myself a CD to listen in the car |
| 08:03.39 | click170 | xingu: Thankyou! My really only other helpful source lately has been the LARTC Howto |
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| 08:03.57 | xingu | click170: http://ipset.netfilter.org/ |
| 08:04.22 | xingu | click170: people who understand this stuff usually get sucked up into the world of sec. consultancy and you never hear from them again |
| 08:04.28 | click170 | boodie: I don't understand, it's coming from satellite radio? Do you mean XM/Sirius, or the Satellite provider's radio channels? |
| 08:04.41 | xingu | click170: and they write crap docco if they bother to write it at all :) |
| 08:04.41 | simonrvn | xingu: you have just become my favourite netfilter dude |
| 08:04.44 | click170 | xingu: lol I've noticed that a little bit |
| 08:05.32 | simonrvn | damn, that looks tasty |
| 08:05.43 | xingu | yeah, it's good-fu |
| 08:05.46 | boodie | click170: I am hooked to the satellite "ASTRA", and the free channel is "Swiss Jazz" |
| 08:06.05 | xingu | any of you college kids want to build an ipset asic fabric and sell it? |
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| 08:06.15 | troubled | simonrvn, xingu, rest: moin |
| 08:06.30 | robboplus | hm |
| 08:06.53 | troubled | damn shorewall has ipset support, but was my stock debian ready to meet the challenge...nooooooo :) |
| 08:07.09 | xingu | it'd make a tasty little final year project to turn it into vhdl |
| 08:07.24 | troubled | xingu: would make for nice router |
| 08:07.28 | xingu | indeed |
| 08:07.39 | xingu | it'd give netscreen's gigascreen asic a run for its money |
| 08:07.42 | xingu | ;) |
| 08:07.48 | troubled | xingu: although, did you catch that tiny pc thing from slashdot today? |
| 08:08.26 | elenril | what is a good tool for comparing directory structures? |
| 08:08.28 | troubled | pulls 5W or somethin silly |
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| 08:08.37 | troubled | elenril: diff? |
| 08:08.44 | elenril | diff can do that? |
| 08:08.54 | simonrvn | yeh... |
| 08:08.57 | troubled | man diff and find out :) |
| 08:08.57 | elenril | i thought it is for text files only |
| 08:09.15 | xingu | ipset's aren't the only science in this area, but they are simple, and would make a kickarse asic; however also do go read up on http://www.hipac.org/ too. |
| 08:09.24 | simonrvn | diff -ruN ;p |
| 08:10.05 | simonrvn | ooh 'large rulesets' |
| 08:10.19 | troubled | simonrvn: get your arse into infobot |
| 08:10.21 | xingu | troubled: I haven't read mushbot since um '00? :) |
| 08:10.34 | daveinthesky | xxdiff if you want a gui |
| 08:10.35 | xingu | news that's old, shit that's happened |
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| 08:11.22 | troubled | xingu: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2194852,00.asp and specs at http://www.fit-pc.com/specifications.htm |
| 08:11.50 | elenril | i don't want to compare file's contents, just if they are there or not |
| 08:11.51 | troubled | slashdot, digg, cnn/abc/msnbc/cbc.ca, you name it, i read it :) |
| 08:12.01 | troubled | its all BS anyways |
| 08:12.22 | daveinthesky | elenrill: if you give xxdiff two directories, it will show you whether files are there or not |
| 08:12.29 | troubled | i like the onion network the best though ;) |
| 08:12.56 | simonrvn | only news i 'read' is daily show/colbert report |
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| 08:13.08 | simonrvn | the rest is garbage |
| 08:13.23 | click170 | simonrvn: Colbert is the shit |
| 08:14.00 | troubled | xingu: anyways, that thing is pretty cheap on power, and more than enough cpu to handle a firewall. dual nic's are nice as well, although only 10/100's :( |
| 08:14.02 | simonrvn | (not counting non-MSM in the 'garbage' comment) |
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| 08:14.22 | troubled | daily show/colbert rocks |
| 08:14.39 | abchirk | Is a 300mhz CPU with 64mb ram enough as router for two network devices and maybe a apache with php? |
| 08:14.50 | troubled | i liked todays Weduewe Bombman and Ween :) |
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| 08:15.09 | troubled | abchirk: sure |
| 08:15.16 | elenril | daveinthesky, ty |
| 08:15.21 | abchirk | troubled so it could be less? |
| 08:15.31 | simonrvn | wenduwe bobem and wen hehehe that was fucking hilarious |
| 08:15.38 | simonrvn | bombem* |
| 08:15.41 | troubled | abchirk: much, but depends on the load your putting on it of course |
| 08:15.41 | abchirk | Ok let me think the slowest what I got here is 300mhz |
| 08:15.44 | xingu | troubled: nice little box; for my own stuff I tend to use reclaimed notebooks for one offs - if I was doing anything commercially I'd be concerned with reorderability, things move fast in that space |
| 08:16.02 | abchirk | mhh troubled one little website with php and mysql maybe and two PCs in the network and some fw-rules |
| 08:16.04 | xingu | troubled: and I've been caught on the hop before mid-deployment, having your tested rig go eosl |
| 08:16.05 | click170 | xingu: I dont mean to be a pain but I was wondering if you'd found any cits for the matching efficiency stuff? |
| 08:16.17 | troubled | xingu: aye, not the first small form factor custom pc ive seen this year for sure |
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| 08:16.34 | xingu | click170: http://ipset.netfilter.org/ , http://www.hipac.org/ |
| 08:16.59 | troubled | abchirk: heck, a 486 could probably handle that if you had the ram to get the installer to run |
| 08:17.10 | xingu | click170: former is less radical and also newer; latter probably offers greater payoff and definitely more pain. |
| 08:17.19 | abchirk | ok |
| 08:17.20 | wols_ | abchirk: a router is fine, php won't work well at that speed |
| 08:17.35 | click170 | xingu: Pain can be a good thing |
| 08:17.39 | abchirk | yeah would be fastctgi :P |
| 08:17.41 | xingu | yeup |
| 08:18.04 | wols_ | I didn't talk about how php is started, that doesn't matter |
| 08:18.09 | abchirk | Because I dont really want to use my 700mhz PC for that... :S |
| 08:18.13 | wols_ | php at 350MHz: suck |
| 08:18.34 | troubled | abchirk: dont listen to him, he's tasted speed, he likes it :) |
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| 08:19.00 | abchirk | mh |
| 08:19.16 | abchirk | Or I try at first the better PC because there is already debian installed |
| 08:19.39 | click170 | xingu: What would you consider to be high traffic, as someone who obviously has experience with high-volume situations. How much can say, a 100Mhz machine with 64 ram handle before you'd start to see it smoke? |
| 08:19.46 | xingu | abchirk: php apps can get pretty memory hungry; at 64MB I'd be expection your IO stack to be the gating factor |
| 08:19.53 | troubled | simonrvn: #infobot |
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| 08:20.02 | simonrvn | why should i? |
| 08:20.06 | wols_ | click170: a 64bit machine can saturate fast ethernet |
| 08:20.06 | xingu | abchirk: I haven't met a php designer yet who understands the words "memory" and "footprint" in context ;) |
| 08:20.09 | abchirk | xingu would be a relative small website.. :P |
| 08:20.15 | abchirk | hehe |
| 08:20.28 | troubled | simonrvn: blootbot underwent name change. its now R.I.P. |
| 08:20.32 | wols_ | erm, 100MHz machine,r ather |
| 08:20.40 | simonrvn | i see |
| 08:20.53 | simonrvn | so renamed back to infobot? |
| 08:20.57 | troubled | ya man |
| 08:21.00 | abchirk | but the CPU is good and maybe 128mb ram? |
| 08:21.03 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 08:21.35 | troubled | simonrvn: i sent the cvs dump in for tim to get put to svn, then svn for blootbot will be dumped and put in, and then code renames etc. after that its officially infobot again |
| 08:21.51 | xingu | click170: depends on how much logic you've got going on; for full filter->state track->debounce->deddos I wouldn't point that at anything faster than 2Mbps worth of internet mix packets. |
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| 08:22.10 | troubled | simonrvn: i think your already on the access list there too, as well as svn access moved |
| 08:22.22 | xingu | click170: ie, it'd be fast enough to protect a single node, but I don't personally think fast enough to protect an uplink |
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| 08:22.41 | simonrvn | damn, i need a faster cpu then... |
| 08:22.56 | reber | hi all. I had a crash disk (no more partition table, but the disk still seems to appear in dmesg). What other tool than gpart (wich doesn't see anything) could i use ? |
| 08:23.05 | simonrvn | g3/300 mhz |
| 08:23.31 | itz_ | hmmm I'm trying to use git to update my kernel source to 2.6.23.1 which branch should I be tracking? |
| 08:23.46 | click170 | xingu: But, that would depend on the design of the rules, chains, etc, yes? So, if it was designed properly then the same machine could handle... alot more or only so much? How much of a difference would it make? |
| 08:23.51 | simonrvn | don't rub it in |
| 08:24.36 | cmanns | Shutting Down... |
| 08:24.39 | simonrvn | i make due with what i have/can get |
| 08:24.42 | wols_ | you run apple hardware. your own fault that you run slow, overpriced stuff :) |
| 08:24.57 | simonrvn | old shit. i don't buy this stuff |
| 08:25.04 | xingu | click170: for that you'd need something with more 1cache/2cache than your average 100MHz part tends to have and a hell of a lot more FSB - I'd start with a celery d (prescott) |
| 08:25.21 | wols_ | even worse. by now you should be able to scrounge some old P3 :) |
| 08:25.35 | xingu | click170: how much difference? a huge amount; for basic filter match -> permit,deny it could probably keep up at 10base |
| 08:25.36 | simonrvn | i'm typing from one. the g3 is faster |
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| 08:26.08 | xingu | click170: (by internet mix I mean - typical packet sizes, rates, and flow lifetimes) |
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| 08:26.38 | daveinthesky | itz_: http://git.kernel.org/ ... many people track linus' tree. linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git . there's a v2.6.23 tag you can use |
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| 08:27.35 | troubled | i see git is still going strong. is it really that much better than svn? |
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| 08:27.57 | daveinthesky | oh totally |
| 08:27.59 | xingu | click170: protecting a single node you've got a few gimmes; dmatch for protected IP or early exit for one; almost-zero work there to eliminate the bulk of your Rx queue in one fell swoop |
| 08:28.14 | simonrvn | only problem with svn really is that it's slower on large trees |
| 08:28.22 | troubled | considering its the only project on the planet i would be getting a git source from, i havent been interested when I can just grab the tarball |
| 08:28.23 | wols_ | xingu: what exactly is he trying to do? |
| 08:28.26 | xingu | click170: protecting an up/downlink gets complex fast |
| 08:29.17 | troubled | simonrvn: large trees, or repos with large number of commits? |
| 08:29.17 | xingu | wols_: no fixed spec, he's just polling for opinions on clock speed vs capability |
| 08:29.35 | simonrvn | large amounts of files |
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| 08:30.41 | Koh_ | any idle why i cant run a tftp server ? keep getting "timeout" |
| 08:30.53 | simonrvn | running an update for twiki svn on a 15K rpm scsi drive sitting on a 80mb controller is effing slow |
| 08:31.17 | xingu | simonrvn: how's your interrupt rate? :) |
| 08:31.39 | simonrvn | probably too much |
| 08:31.48 | simonrvn | i haven't looked |
| 08:31.50 | xingu | simonrvn: vmstat 1 -> in column |
| 08:31.58 | troubled | simonrvn: your g3 has scsi? |
| 08:32.00 | AVRS | I'm running testing i386 with amd64 .22 kernel, and today and yesterday, I've got kernel panic. |
| 08:32.15 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.24 | simonrvn | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- |
| 08:32.25 | troubled | thanks for the headers |
| 08:32.29 | troubled | nm... |
| 08:32.40 | AVRS | But I think it might be because I've fixed cron, not because of the kernel (though there are mentions of panics of that kernel). |
| 08:32.58 | xingu | simonrvn: that's not too bad actually; it's seek latency kicking your arse there |
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| 08:33.03 | simonrvn | troubled: uh, yeh. has both ide and scsi onboard |
| 08:33.04 | xingu | simonrvn: wider bus wouldn't help. |
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| 08:33.23 | simonrvn | using 2 pci scsi cards for system and data disks |
| 08:33.36 | AVRS | Or because of using fbset and switching to consoles lately. |
| 08:33.39 | troubled | simonrvn: i got a pair of 15k 9's hangin around that I didnt have the room for :) |
| 08:34.01 | simonrvn | i have 9s coming outta my ass... no room |
| 08:34.53 | simonrvn | xingu: yeh, figured it's something like that.. running my own site from the other half of that drive (the 9s are small ;) |
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| 08:35.20 | moprilo | hi.. i have a file "--name.gsm" but i can't seem to be able to rename it. (mv --name.gsm thinks it's an option ) |
| 08:35.41 | simonrvn | mv -- --name.gsm ? |
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| 08:35.49 | simonrvn | or escape the -- |
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| 08:36.11 | simonrvn | or use mc if you're lazy |
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| 08:38.05 | Cheek | Hi... is it possible to mount a directory on a ~30gb shared fat32 partition to /boot? |
| 08:39.28 | moshii | Cheek: you can mount what ever you want |
| 08:39.46 | logd | hello, there a way to clear "schedule for check" flag for a ntfs volume ? |
| 08:40.06 | moshii | Cheek: if it'll actually do want you want it to is another matter |
| 08:40.08 | troubled | logd: try ##windows |
| 08:40.11 | Guerin | logd: ask #shittymicrosoftfilesystems |
| 08:40.28 | Cheek | but it being the boot doesnt matter? there's no size problems, or it being able to access that directory at boot time? |
| 08:40.35 | Guerin | but I guess the best way would be to simply check the damn thing |
| 08:40.37 | streuner | there is a nfts channel on freenode here |
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| 08:40.56 | troubled | Cheek: im pretty sure grub can handle fat/ext2/3 etc |
| 08:40.58 | moshii | Cheek: to have it available at boot is another matter |
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| 08:41.40 | moshii | Cheek: as far as mount is concerned /boot is just another directory.. you proably want to edit your fstab instead |
| 08:41.52 | Cheek | hmm--would it be substantially easier to make a small boot partition? |
| 08:42.06 | streuner | logd: http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php if you using Linux :-) |
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| 08:42.36 | Cheek | i had looked at fstab and mtab, but wasnt sure which i'd put something like that in. |
| 08:43.07 | moshii | Cheek: idea of /boot is just to have a small partition using a standardish fs so that the bootloader doesn't have to be clever and understand your fs, RAID etc |
| 08:43.33 | simonrvn | xingu: i try to optimise things as much as i can for this old thing. decent nics (if old), decent controller cards (the only onboard thing i'm using is eth0) |
| 08:45.01 | logd | streuner> i use their ntfsfix to fix the fs but since windows doesn't see ithe disk at all but linux does all i need is to uncheck the fs for schedule |
| 08:45.11 | Cheek | Well, i have a dual boot right now with no boot partition; its a standard ubuntu setup (/ and swap..i think) for about 1/3 of my only hdd, 1/3 for windows, and 1/3 shared fat. |
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| 08:45.30 | moshii | Cheek: we don't support ubuntu here |
| 08:45.40 | simonrvn | and you're not in ubuntu why? |
| 08:45.45 | Cheek | ...this doesnt have anything to do with ubuntu.. |
| 08:45.48 | simonrvn | er, #ubuntu |
| 08:45.57 | Cheek | its just booting... |
| 08:46.10 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 08:46.15 | moshii | Cheek: But if you don't have boot on a seperate partition you probably don't need one |
| 08:46.51 | xingu | simonrvn: it's paying off ;) |
| 08:47.12 | Cheek | yeah, i know--but i want to have grub.lst editable by both OSes so that i can automate switching between the os, without having to select manually at boot.. |
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| 08:47.41 | simonrvn | xingu: still slow for some stuff. but it's probably seek times and cpu bottlenecks |
| 08:48.06 | vsayikiran | how can i use debian linux as a server? |
| 08:48.12 | logd | streuner, even ntfsresize -fi /dev/sda6 says it won't do anything until i do chkdsk on windows |
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| 08:48.24 | logd | but windows doesnt the disk or better say it call it unallocateed |
| 08:48.30 | xingu | simonrvn: the point is that the bottlenecks that happen on each path result in resource being freed up for the others to consume |
| 08:48.33 | simonrvn | vsayikiran: you install the daemons you want on it... |
| 08:48.33 | moshii | Cheek: Sounds like a bad idea, still I don't know how Ubuntu's grub setup works... we don't support ubuntu here |
| 08:48.50 | Cheek | alright, thanks anyway |
| 08:49.04 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 08:49.04 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:49.06 | xingu | simonrvn: so an overly IO-happy workload on your design will result in a lot of free compute resource for some compute-happy task to burn |
| 08:49.34 | moshii | Cheek: #ubuntu is a better place to ask. I wouldn't want to tell you something that works in Debian and totally cock your Ubuntu system up. |
| 08:49.34 | xingu | simonrvn: and IO-happy *contention* can be scheduled-for relatively easily; it won't impact completion times, but it will impact average service times |
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| 08:49.39 | simonrvn | xingu: yeh, true. but the trouble happens when both happen at the same time ;) |
| 08:50.29 | xingu | simonrvn: your current task might benefit from the speculative readahed stuff in 2.6.23 as a stray thought |
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| 08:50.42 | vsayikiran | simonrvn: i have a server which gets direct internet connection, i want that all pc on my LAN should be able to get net through the server, so what packages and settings are required? |
| 08:51.07 | simonrvn | vsayikiran: ipmasq |
| 08:51.12 | moshii | vsayikiran: ipmasq or something similar would do that for you. The keyword here is NAT |
| 08:51.39 | simonrvn | fast and easy would be ipmasq |
| 08:51.46 | vsayikiran | moshii: ipmasq is a package |
| 08:51.49 | xingu | simonrvn: http://lwn.net/Articles/235164/ |
| 08:51.54 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 08:51.54 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 08:52.10 | xingu | simonrvn: merged in 2.6.23, not sure what io scheduler is required or if it's just always-on |
| 08:52.26 | moshii | vsayikiran: yes |
| 08:52.28 | simonrvn | using deadline ATM |
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| 08:53.55 | ktne | hello |
| 08:54.02 | ktne | is there a repository with tor for debina? |
| 08:54.04 | ktne | debian |
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| 08:54.15 | moshii | ktne: it's in main.. i think |
| 08:54.39 | simonrvn | !info tor |
| 08:54.44 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.2.17-1 (sid), Packaged size: 940 kB, Installed size: 1948 kB |
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| 08:54.58 | ada | hi * |
| 08:55.02 | simonrvn | hi |
| 08:55.10 | logd | what if a ntfs partition want windows to be restored but windows doesn't see the partition itself but a whole unallocated disk? |
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| 08:55.29 | mrpouet | hi |
| 08:55.30 | logd | i can't even resize it until fixed |
| 08:55.34 | vsayikiran | moshil: i think ipmasq requires iptables also, is it a GUI package or terminal? |
| 08:55.59 | moshii | vsayikiran: "terminal" |
| 08:56.12 | moshii | logd: broken partition table maybe? |
| 08:56.13 | ktne | simonrvn: i can't find tor |
| 08:56.20 | xingu | simonrvn: I think it's on by default (replaces previous readahead implementation); blockdev --report /dev/somemountedpartition |
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| 08:56.35 | vsayikiran | moshii: i mean whehter it is command based tool or GUI |
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| 08:57.10 | logd | well a day while writing stuff pwe rwent down since i'm in trouble |
| 08:57.19 | moshii | vsayikiran: it's basically a script.. text based |
| 08:57.31 | logd | now i can read the partition using force but i need to resize |
| 08:57.59 | xingu | simonrvn: might be worth looking at the change between cfq and as and "none" iosched's too (via sysfs) |
| 08:58.14 | vsayikiran | moshii: is there any GUI based, does ipmasq require me write some script programs |
| 08:58.15 | moshii | vsayikiran: you'll notice it doesn't depend on any GUI toolkits or X11 libraries.. |
| 08:58.37 | simonrvn | xingu: i chose deadline because of the databases on the box |
| 08:58.43 | moshii | vsayikiran: no, ipmasq as far as I remember is "install, start, enjoy" |
| 08:59.07 | simonrvn | !+info ipmasq |
| 08:59.10 | dpkg | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 620 kB |
| 08:59.13 | moshii | vsayikiran: there are GUI based tools to setup the same thing, but you don't need them |
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| 08:59.30 | xingu | simonrvn: fair do; just thinking that your svn update is a low-locality single-reader read-mostly workload |
| 08:59.49 | vsayikiran | moshii: so to configure some settings i may need to learn some commands |
| 09:00.04 | moshii | vsayikiran: no, ipmasq should work out of the box |
| 09:00.17 | simonrvn | xingu: is a whatsis 'low-locality'? |
| 09:00.23 | xingu | simonrvn: so basically you'd want the kernel to hint that it actually wanted to stat the entire repo but not read it, and for the io scheduler to sort it into a linear seek |
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| 09:00.28 | stephen | hello everyone.. |
| 09:00.39 | simonrvn | xingu: oh, yeh, the data's been sitting around a while, on jfs |
| 09:01.03 | moshii | vsayikiran: To make any use of the GUI tools you'd really need to know about iptables anyhow... so it doesn't make much difference |
| 09:01.12 | xingu | simonrvn: each read will be sorted by fs namespace order not by block locality; so stat on file1 takes you over here, stat on file2 zings you way to hell over there |
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| 09:01.18 | stephen | Looking for awk/sed help.. If i wanted to remove \n in a xml file only between <description> and </description> |
| 09:01.43 | vsayikiran | does debian support linksys wireless adapter? |
| 09:01.43 | simonrvn | xingu: "file fragmentation" |
| 09:01.43 | xingu | simonrvn: no locality |
| 09:01.49 | xingu | simonrvn: not really; the files are probably nonfragmented |
| 09:02.05 | xingu | simonrvn: but the actual seek pattern to find them is all over the place |
| 09:02.08 | simonrvn | so more higher level, like fs fragmentation |
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| 09:02.12 | xingu | yes |
| 09:02.17 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 09:02.39 | moshii | vsayikiran: linksys don't build their own chipsets, the brand/model of the chipset is different from card to card. use the output of lspci and google to work out how you should go about getting yours running under Debian. |
| 09:02.41 | simonrvn | makes sense |
| 09:02.53 | xingu | simonrvn: maybe, prune readahead back to nothing is the answer; maybe, the kernel is actually hinting to read in the whole *files* and you don't actually need to |
| 09:03.33 | xingu | simonrvn: big maybe, never looked at a svn/cvs/git workload in detail; experiment with longer, and with no blockdev --setfra |
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| 09:03.53 | simonrvn | they tend to be small files, under 20 K |
| 09:04.20 | xingu | simonrvn: yep, but those stats (low blocks in, high wait, low interrupts) tells me it's all seek |
| 09:04.51 | simonrvn | xingu: i haven't played with blockdev |
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| 09:06.53 | simonrvn | xingu: here, i'll pastebin you vmstat 1 for 10 s |
| 09:07.20 | mrpouet | hi , i send email to debian-boot@lists.debian.org , i would like to help to debian-boot team , how can i begin ? |
| 09:07.44 | troubled | simonrvn: c'mon already. i could have paste 10 seconds of vmstat in 5 seconds! |
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| 09:08.46 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/39591 |
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| 09:09.09 | simonrvn | troubled: what? |
| 09:09.27 | simonrvn | mrpouet: ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:09.45 | xingu | simonrvn: just out of interest, try doubling /sys/block/${device}/queue/iosched/read_expire |
| 09:10.05 | troubled | simonrvn: nothing, just hasslin ya ;) |
| 09:10.30 | mrpouet | simonrvn, oki thanks |
| 09:10.42 | simonrvn | xingu: currently 500 |
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| 09:10.49 | xingu | simonrvn: deadline is designed to ensure that read-latencies are more-or-less constant (from issue from upper layer through scheduling op); whereas your workload could probably benefit from holding them and sorting them. |
| 09:11.01 | xingu | simonrvn: 500ms issue-to-schedule deadline is what that means. |
| 09:11.05 | simonrvn | i haven't played with sysfs much... last time i looked at it it was still new... |
| 09:11.20 | xingu | simonrvn: try say 1000ms (1s); just echo "1000" > read_expire |
| 09:11.43 | simonrvn | xingu: i hesitate to play with that though since that's not the only workload on that part. |
| 09:11.45 | xingu | simonrvn: will obviously result in ~1s latency for reads; but in the process expose more opportunities for iop sorting |
| 09:11.59 | xingu | simonrvn: sure; but your svn update could bias-run-unbias... |
| 09:12.23 | simonrvn | good point |
| 09:12.28 | xingu | simonrvn: totally appreciate it's a shared resource, but nothing stopping you tinkering about to get a known-known running well |
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| 09:13.29 | xingu | simonrvn: the as scheduler is probably a better fit for the svn workload if it does what it says on the tin |
| 09:13.50 | simonrvn | i tried it way back in 2.6.8, it run like ass |
| 09:13.54 | xingu | simonrvn: deadline is always a good fit for transactional db workloads; cfq is a reasonable fit for console workloads |
| 09:13.56 | simonrvn | ran* |
| 09:13.59 | xingu | simonrvn: it's been bugfixed since |
| 09:14.07 | AVRS | heh... a friend has switched from Ubuntu to Debian, recompiled a couple of packages in a quest for sound... and is going to recompile the whole system :D |
| 09:14.10 | xingu | simonrvn: in 2.6.8, everything was ass. :) |
| 09:14.17 | simonrvn | no kdding hehehe |
| 09:14.54 | xingu | simonrvn: but even just looking at any behavioural change read_expire 500ms vs 1000ms is interesting enough to see if there's an opportunity there or not |
| 09:15.28 | xingu | simonrvn: essentially what you want, I think, are more fsops in the blk sched queue so that the localised ones merge |
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| 09:15.42 | simonrvn | ooh wait, look at this |
| 09:15.46 | xingu | simonrvn: doubling the depth of the deadline queue will tell us if we're getting warm |
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| 09:16.39 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/39593 |
| 09:16.52 | simonrvn | this is pretty typical workload for this time of day |
| 09:17.03 | dutchfish | !cfs |
| 09:17.03 | dpkg | methinks cfs is a Cryptographic Filesystem supports secure storage at the system level through a standard Unix file system interface to encrypted files. Users associate a cryptographic key with the directories they wish to protect. Files in these directories (as well as their pathname components) are transparently encrypted & decrypted with the specified key without further intervention; cleartext is never stored on a disk or sent to a remote file server. |
| 09:17.32 | xingu | simonrvn: nothing much really going on there, tilting at windmills now. :) |
| 09:17.49 | xingu | simonrvn: no wait time, no problem. :) |
| 09:17.50 | simonrvn | bi bo evened out |
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| 09:19.07 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:19.12 | simonrvn | hi |
| 09:19.23 | claudio` | I've configured 6to4 in my gateway but the LAN still haven't the connectivity. Does anyone know how can i act as IPv6 gateway for my LAN? |
| 09:20.00 | dutchfish | where can i find info on completely fair shedular in the new 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 09:20.14 | claudio` | dutchfish: kernelnewbies, i guess |
| 09:20.20 | xingu | simonrvn: I'm well happy about the 0's in r,b column; == 0 processes waiting on read; vmstat -d could be fun for you too |
| 09:20.35 | xingu | simonrvn: for the svn workload, goal is increase rate of "merged" requests. |
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| 09:20.44 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:21.03 | claudio` | dutchfish: also on Wikipedia. |
| 09:21.06 | giwe | Does anyone know a good reference for writing low latency applications on Linux 2.6? |
| 09:21.12 | simonrvn | oh pooh, doesn't respond to COLUMNS .. |
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| 09:21.32 | dutchfish | claudio`, thx got it |
| 09:21.36 | claudio` | dutchfish: np |
| 09:21.44 | claudio` | dutchfish: see the external links from the Wikipedia page. |
| 09:21.51 | claudio` | s/links/link :) |
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| 09:22.06 | silvio | are the sources included in the debian dvd? |
| 09:22.45 | xingu | simonrvn: you'd need to vmstat -d 1 | grep '^yourdev' >> somefile |
| 09:22.45 | claudio` | silvio: no |
| 09:22.46 | xingu | simonrvn: then trend the r/w merged columns |
| 09:22.46 | xingu | simonrvn: in gnumeric or whatever |
| 09:22.46 | silvio | silly q. why is the debian dvd/cd's so big? is it just a really large number of packages? |
| 09:22.54 | claudio` | silvio: yes |
| 09:22.56 | simonrvn | xingu: before/after sorta thing |
| 09:23.04 | silvio | thanks claudio |
| 09:23.08 | claudio` | silvio: np |
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| 09:23.13 | Angel_Pri | http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ |
| 09:23.15 | xingu | simonrvn: exactly, with read_expire at 500ms, then at 1000ms |
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| 09:23.20 | dutchfish | claudio`, thx |
| 09:23.21 | simonrvn | Angel_Pri: fuck off |
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| 09:23.26 | claudio` | dutchfish: yw |
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| 09:24.06 | xingu | simonrvn: the ms column in -d mode I think is avg iop service time too, always useful to know. |
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| 09:24.19 | xingu | simonrvn: high svc time again indicates seek kicking your arse |
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| 09:24.22 | simonrvn | thank you don |
| 09:24.37 | dutchfish | claudio`, do know by change if backopts.org already has a kernel with it? |
| 09:24.51 | dutchfish | claudio`, backports.org* |
| 09:25.12 | xingu | simonrvn: hmm, ms is specifically *write* latency so prolly not too much use for svn workload |
| 09:25.21 | claudio` | dutchfish: i guess no |
| 09:25.46 | xingu | simonrvn: oic ms is reported for reads as well as writes, gottit; so read-ms is read avg svc time effectively (when at vmstat -d 1) |
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| 09:28.46 | simonrvn | xingu: svc time? |
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| 09:29.02 | xingu | simonrvn: service; how long it takes to actually complete |
| 09:29.08 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:29.28 | simonrvn | i abbrev. it like that too, was wondering |
| 09:29.33 | xingu | simonrvn: low number of iops plus high service time usually equals broken drive somewhere or seek killing you |
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| 09:30.07 | sulo | Hi |
| 09:30.54 | sulo | can I install etch from just the first cd of the cd-set on a notebook with wifi internet connection? |
| 09:31.04 | simonrvn | usually |
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| 09:32.08 | sulo | k, thx |
| 09:33.19 | xingu | simonrvn: I must be a weirdo, I actually quite enjoy wringing an IO stack until it's pounding away full bore all day every day :) |
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| 09:34.12 | simonrvn | well, this thing might be low end, but i push it s much as possible |
| 09:34.31 | xingu | simonrvn: one of the builds I did at work still blows people away, I've got an e450 that delivers lower transaction times/ higher parallelism than the e6800+SAN that was supposed to replace it |
| 09:34.53 | simonrvn | heh cool |
| 09:34.58 | xingu | simonrvn: mostly because I wasn't allowed to touch the latter, it's someone else's precious |
| 09:35.18 | xingu | simonrvn: the latter rig *should* run like the clappers but they've made every bloody textbook mistake you can |
| 09:35.23 | simonrvn | you misspelled that, it's "precioussss" |
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| 09:35.53 | Haris | Hello people |
| 09:35.59 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 09:36.01 | Haris | Where can I get the dmesg output from? |
| 09:36.08 | simonrvn | dmesg |
| 09:36.20 | xingu | simonrvn: all available disks carved up into *one* single (san) pseudo-pv for one, out of which they carve out per-app lv's |
| 09:36.28 | Haris | It seems to have been overwritten or appended to by messages that come later as (unfortunately, same as it happens in fbsd) |
| 09:36.29 | sulo | lol |
| 09:36.32 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 09:36.40 | Haris | later on, as |
| 09:36.41 | xingu | simonrvn: obviously the io contention that results is a right old fiesta |
| 09:36.47 | simonrvn | Haris: yes, so look at /var/log/dmesg |
| 09:37.12 | xingu | simonrvn: the front of that rack row must look like macy's at christmas |
| 09:37.30 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:38.18 | simonrvn | well, about the same amount of load avg, 2.5 |
| 09:38.22 | Haris | How do 3ware SCSI adapters work with debian? |
| 09:38.34 | simonrvn | with a kernel module |
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| 09:38.44 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:38.46 | Haris | I mean, performance wise |
| 09:38.54 | xingu | simonrvn: how many cpu cores? 2? |
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| 09:39.07 | simonrvn | hehehe cores |
| 09:39.12 | simonrvn | 1 cpu |
| 09:39.52 | simonrvn | xingu: we're talking 1996-8 tech here ;) |
| 09:39.54 | xingu | simonrvn: still not necessarily overflogged, load/cores > 4 and I'd get worried |
| 09:40.04 | xingu | simonrvn: io is slooooow :) |
| 09:40.39 | simonrvn | the newest card is probably from 2003 or so |
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| 09:41.00 | xingu | simonrvn: in fact what matters isn't load, but increasing load; set a threshhold on 5min load > 15min load |
| 09:41.18 | xingu | simonrvn: ie, backlog doesn't really matter; *increasing* backlog, does. |
| 09:41.30 | Haris | Review dmesg output; http://pastebin.ca/735086 |
| 09:41.49 | Haris | This is a dual P-IV 3.0 GHz box with 2 scsi drives |
| 09:41.59 | Haris | ..and it seems to be slow with apache/mysql |
| 09:42.09 | Haris | Is there a way to increase speed? |
| 09:42.15 | Haris | more memory? better cpu? |
| 09:42.21 | Haris | or changed hdd? |
| 09:42.22 | simonrvn | xingu: 01:00.0 Memory controller: Adaptec AIC-7815 RAID+Memory Controller IC (rev 02) 01:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec 78902 |
| 09:42.23 | xingu | Haris: run vmstat 1, trigger the "slow" operation, and pastebin some numbers. |
| 09:42.45 | xingu | simonrvn: used to have one of those; does the linux driver do anything with the ecc module and memory yet? |
| 09:42.49 | Haris | I noticed this in dmesg => 3w-xxxx: AEN: ERROR: Unit degraded: Unit #0. <= but can't make sense of it |
| 09:42.55 | Haris | hmm |
| 09:43.00 | xingu | simonrvn: cox was looking at using the memory as a cache at one point, dunno what became of that |
| 09:43.08 | Haris | xingu: Is this for testing vm? |
| 09:43.13 | Haris | This is a dedicated server, not a vm |
| 09:43.35 | xingu | no kidding |
| 09:43.43 | simonrvn | xingu: seems to do something, i can't really access it, wrong arch (old mac pcc with open firmware 2.x, and BIOS) |
| 09:44.00 | simonrvn | er, ppc |
| 09:44.03 | Haris | reiserfs is bad for performance? |
| 09:44.13 | simonrvn | s,for performance,, |
| 09:44.27 | Haris | I see |
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| 09:44.56 | simonrvn | no real tools to fsck it with, sacrifices speed for stability |
| 09:45.03 | Haris | free points out 500/1 GB ram is free |
| 09:45.08 | simonrvn | er, vice versa ;) |
| 09:45.20 | xingu | Haris: if you're troubleshooting slow, you need to meter it, to find out exactly where the stress is; vmstat is a pretty reasonable tool for that |
| 09:46.37 | Haris | http://pastebin.ca/735088 |
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| 09:46.43 | Haris | vmstat numbers |
| 09:46.50 | xingu | during "slow" ie stress? |
| 09:46.52 | dutchfish | anyone has expirience was lustre? |
| 09:46.58 | xingu | and you need vmstat 1 |
| 09:47.09 | xingu | ie, we need some time series data, not aggregates. |
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| 09:47.37 | Haris | for how long? |
| 09:47.52 | xingu | 5-10s or so |
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| 09:48.58 | artur | Hi, |
| 09:49.10 | Haris | http://pastebin.ca/735093 |
| 09:49.18 | artur | have you ever run bluetooth integrated with notebook ? |
| 09:49.23 | artur | http://rafb.net/p/YexNyG79.html in dmesg |
| 09:50.07 | xingu | Haris: wow, that guy is churning. |
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| 09:50.35 | Haris | churning? |
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| 09:51.13 | simonrvn | !dict churn |
| 09:51.14 | dpkg | Dictionary 'churn' (2 of 7): 2. To shake or agitate with violence. ;; a vessel in which cream is agitated to separate butterfat from buttermilk. |
| 09:51.24 | simonrvn | Haris: ^^^ |
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| 09:51.55 | Haris | 11:51:05 up 9 days, 18:30, 2 users, load average: 16.02, 11.11, 8.16 |
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| 09:52.07 | xingu | Haris: ok so you have a read-mostly workload and it's chewing a phenominal amount of bandwidth; what exactly is going on there? you said mysql+apache, but either that's one hell of a busy (or badly designed) database, or, you're doing something else like a file-copy there |
| 09:52.08 | Haris | apache and grep are taking each a piece of the cpu atm. |
| 09:52.10 | Haris | jeje |
| 09:52.11 | simonrvn | wow |
| 09:52.11 | Haris | hehe |
| 09:52.44 | Haris | grep -r -H is running on /var/www/vhosts and apache/mysql |
| 09:53.02 | DawnLight | is there a command similar to echo but dumps hex? i want to shoot hex commands to a serial port |
| 09:53.20 | xingu | oh well, if you want to grep your disk, there's only one cure; more and faster disks in wider stripes, and, more memory. |
| 09:53.22 | simonrvn | hexdump? :P |
| 09:53.31 | yigal | has anyone had the following apt problem: "package x": Depends: libsnmp10 (>= 5.3.1) which is a virtual package? I am having this problem for hpjis and hplip but I can see by googling that it is not just these two hp printing packages that it effects. |
| 09:53.41 | Haris | what's faster than a scsi drive? |
| 09:53.53 | azeem | superman |
| 09:53.54 | xingu | Haris: sorry, no free soup for you; add more disks, increase the stripe width, until the operation completes in an acceptable time. |
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| 09:53.59 | simonrvn | faster scsi drive, faster controller |
| 09:54.13 | xingu | Haris: and add more dram so that buffercache prevents you from having to do it twice |
| 09:54.26 | Haris | buffercache .. |
| 09:54.28 | Haris | hmm.. |
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| 09:54.42 | Haris | grep -r -H is not a normal operation |
| 09:54.55 | Haris | I'm fixing the modified files in websites |
| 09:54.57 | Haris | for specific text |
| 09:55.04 | Haris | usually its just apache/mysql |
| 09:55.29 | xingu | Haris: then it's probably not worth spending the cash on making it fast enough. :) |
| 09:55.56 | simonrvn | Haris: even seen load avg above 50? |
| 09:56.06 | xingu | Haris: oh, there *is* a second approach duh; throw the disk in the bin and buy one of those 64GB flash SATA jobs. |
| 09:56.13 | Haris | I'v seen 25+ |
| 09:56.13 | DawnLight | help! |
| 09:56.25 | Haris | simonrvn: There was this one box, I don't remmeber atm. |
| 09:56.27 | simonrvn | ever, even |
| 09:56.44 | Haris | saw it on just one box |
| 09:57.17 | simonrvn | it's um, rather, um, intense =) |
| 09:57.30 | xingu | not if you've got 64 cpu's :) |
| 09:57.34 | Haris | Yep, more to do with i/o I'd say than cpu |
| 09:57.57 | Haris | usually that load comes from database querying |
| 09:58.04 | Haris | afaihs |
| 09:58.08 | xingu | loadav is just scheduling backlog (# processes in runnable state), nothing to worry about |
| 09:58.21 | simonrvn | not when you have 1 cpu |
| 09:58.32 | xingu | simonrvn: even for |
| 09:58.39 | artur | have you ever run bluetooth integrated with notebook ? |
| 09:58.44 | simonrvn | (@ the "not if you have 64 cpu's") |
| 09:58.51 | artur | I have this http://rafb.net/p/YexNyG79.html in dmesg |
| 09:58.56 | xingu | aah. :) no, at those levels I'd say you have an issue. :) |
| 09:59.06 | Haris | I'd imagine only a teleco would need that kind of cpu power |
| 09:59.25 | xingu | simonrvn: loadav is typically 1s at finest granularity; and even at the puny "historical" end of the spectrum, 250ms is a long time |
| 09:59.28 | simonrvn | xingu: yes, fortunately i fixed it |
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| 09:59.52 | xingu | simonrvn: so 4 runnable tasks in each 1s quantum isn't too big a deal |
| 09:59.54 | simonrvn | wrong circumstances, i'd see load avg of 100, 110 |
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| 10:00.06 | DawnLight | i have one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_tiger_mosquito in a small room with me and i have no shirt on! aaaah! |
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| 10:01.01 | xingu | simonrvn: 4 io-blocking tasks in a 1s quantum on the other hand is concerning; and a 5min avg >> 15min avg tells you things are going down hard |
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| 10:01.37 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:01.44 | yos87 | how to recover deleted data from ext3 partition? |
| 10:01.55 | jetscreamer | restore from backup |
| 10:01.58 | simonrvn | restore from backups |
| 10:02.00 | xingu | !undelete |
| 10:02.00 | dpkg | methinks undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 10:02.04 | jetscreamer | jinx |
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| 10:03.28 | jetscreamer | does an ssh server depend on some kind of mta? |
| 10:03.39 | surrounder | no |
| 10:03.47 | jetscreamer | thx |
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| 10:04.34 | DawnLight | crazy monster mosquito it's noon! |
| 10:04.41 | surrounder | hehe |
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| 10:05.01 | xingu | well noony noo to you then |
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| 10:05.16 | xingu | it's only 10:05 in the real world |
| 10:05.22 | Palish | Hey.. Does anyone happen to know which package glx.h is in? Can't find it on google.. |
| 10:05.28 | dutchfish | DawnLight, luckely its not a anophelus ;) |
| 10:05.36 | Palish | It's OpenGL stuff for X Window |
| 10:05.37 | Haris | Its noon here |
| 10:05.42 | jetscreamer | !tell Palish -about search |
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| 10:06.10 | jetscreamer | mesasomething-dev maybe |
| 10:06.12 | Haris | I'll show vmstat numbers after grep is done |
| 10:06.16 | DawnLight | aha! inside a box! quarantined bitch |
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| 10:06.21 | Haris | after a while has passed when grep is done |
| 10:06.33 | Palish | jetscreamer: Thank you |
| 10:06.38 | Haris | that'll give a more objective view of the current load |
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| 10:06.55 | Haris | this box makes a full (damned full) backup of its .. everything on the hard disk every night |
| 10:06.59 | Haris | and the load shoots up |
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| 10:07.20 | Haris | I'm talking about 20+ GB of full bzipped backup |
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| 10:08.38 | DawnLight | i bet that hdd won't last too long |
| 10:09.11 | xingu | Haris: again; if your workload is essentially "read every file from the hdd's" then there's only one approach; more disks in wider stripes and more memory for buffercache. |
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| 10:09.48 | xingu | Haris: if you want it to run as fast as it can, today, stripe a bunch of 64GB flash-based SATA drives together |
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| 10:09.58 | dutchfish | xingu, until it reach the busses bandwidth or the adapter's |
| 10:10.10 | xingu | dutchfish: and the fsb of the cpu's :) |
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| 10:10.57 | xingu | Haris: and that's because the only strategy that minimises transaction time for that transaction is - more bandwidth, and more cache (to avoid the need to do it twice) |
| 10:10.57 | dutchfish | xingu, 1333 coming soon in here |
| 10:10.59 | Haris | Are you serious? |
| 10:11.09 | Haris | How come a sata stripe can be faster than scsi? |
| 10:11.09 | xingu | Haris: deadly. |
| 10:11.32 | Haris | O you mean the sata II 3.0 Gbps bandwidth? |
| 10:11.38 | xingu | now you're thinking. |
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| 10:12.11 | xingu | Haris: a *better* spend of time/cache is to work on eliminating the need to perform that transaction at all |
| 10:12.11 | yos87 | I lost the data from my ext3 usb harddisk, how can I recover ? |
| 10:12.39 | DawnLight | sit down, drink some tea |
| 10:12.44 | xingu | Haris: ie, perhaps rather than archiving and compressing the whole system, maybe use vm snapshots and archive those |
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| 10:13.32 | dutchfish | xingu, not ot mention the new completely fair schedular |
| 10:13.54 | wols_ | yos87: "lost" in what way? |
| 10:14.09 | simonrvn | how do you use this fucking thing |
| 10:14.53 | yos87 | wols_: I creat a partition same the previous one again |
| 10:14.54 | vv0rm | hello, how to change that name, then your're working on shell, like (name:/directory# user command) ? |
| 10:14.58 | yos87 | wols_: by mistake |
| 10:15.22 | Haris | I'm also keeping an eye on solid state hard drives |
| 10:15.37 | Haris | they'r read/write speed maybe good, but their capacity is big issue |
| 10:15.45 | Haris | for database querying and such |
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| 10:16.19 | pintergreg | hi all |
| 10:16.52 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't be doing coke with that brain of yours xingu |
| 10:17.13 | jetscreamer | me, no big loss... :) |
| 10:17.18 | dutchfish | Harris, i was thinking of a SD in qcow with the write space in tmep ram |
| 10:17.26 | xingu | I'd snort pepsi but it gives me the hiccups |
| 10:17.30 | yos87 | wols_: what to do? |
| 10:17.35 | wols_ | yos87: I think the new superblocks overwrote the old one. doubt there is anything left to recover |
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| 10:17.50 | wols_ | since the new partition is exactly the same size and place as the old |
| 10:17.57 | pintergreg | i have a problem with tft brightness on test-terminal (it is too dark), but it works on X. Could someeno help me? |
| 10:18.20 | yos87 | wols_: it's exactly the same |
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| 10:18.48 | yos87 | wols_: I cannot use ddrescu because I don't have 250 GB free in my local hdd |
| 10:18.54 | basanta | is it possible to share printer on debian with with use of samba? |
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| 10:19.12 | basanta | I mean without the use of samba? |
| 10:19.22 | yigal | basanta: NEVER |
| 10:19.28 | cahoot | cups is built for that |
| 10:19.30 | yigal | basanta: what do you think? |
| 10:19.50 | jetscreamer | if you recreate an ext3 partition exactly the same size, the data is still there, as long as it wasn't overwritten by other data. which i found cool and thanked god for. |
| 10:19.55 | yigal | basanta: you can do it :) |
| 10:20.03 | jetscreamer | other fs's seems to do that also |
| 10:20.05 | basanta | yigal, how |
| 10:20.20 | yigal | basanta: its cups as a server |
| 10:20.21 | basanta | i have windows and linux clients |
| 10:20.22 | wols_ | basanta: yes if you have an ipp capable OS for a client. in windows tis means win2k and aup |
| 10:20.28 | jetscreamer | mkfs would mess it up i think |
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| 10:20.52 | wols_ | jetscreamer: the data is there but the superblocks have been oeverwritten I'd say |
| 10:20.54 | daveinthesky | basanta: http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html |
| 10:21.03 | yos87 | wols_: the data I want to recover is 28 GB data size, and it was in my local hdd , then I recently move it to my usb harddisk |
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| 10:21.21 | vv0rm | hello, how to change that name, then your're working on shell, like (name:/directory# user command) ? |
| 10:21.48 | yos87 | wols_: maybe there still a chance to recover from my local harddisk? |
| 10:21.54 | basanta | yigal, but how do I share the printer in the debian system, or is it necessaryto share at all ? |
| 10:22.01 | jetscreamer | wols_: i don't know what happened to him/them, all i know is if they aren't overwritten, if you delete a partition and then recreate it the data is still there and works |
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| 10:22.29 | cahoot | basanta: there is a fine howto on linuxprinting.org |
| 10:23.03 | jetscreamer | vv0rm: /etc/profile and/or ~/.bash_profile ~/.profile ~/.bashrc (i forget exactly which one, maybe you can do it in >1) the /etc/profile would be system wide |
| 10:23.15 | yos87 | wols_: isn't fat system is better for usb drives? then you can recover from windows? |
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| 10:23.39 | jetscreamer | fat you could hexedit the partition probably |
| 10:23.45 | vv0rm | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 10:24.19 | pintergreg | I have a problem with tft brightness on text-terminal (it's too dark), but it works on X. Could someone help me? |
| 10:24.19 | jetscreamer | all fat does/did was delete the first char in the filename from the fat(iirc) |
| 10:24.28 | simonrvn | bah, must be a quicker way to do this... i'm not typing in 2000 numbers |
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| 10:29.27 | wols_ | jetscreamer: it also marked the space free in the fat... |
| 10:29.29 | xingu | simonrvn: awk '{ print $3 "," $5 }' < infile >outfile.csv |
| 10:29.40 | xingu | simonrvn: file, open :) |
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| 10:34.49 | juke | ./app& && ./app& |
| 10:34.58 | DawnLight | who's fat! |
| 10:35.12 | juke | I wish to run two apps concurrently in the background |
| 10:35.20 | juke | That syntaz does not work |
| 10:35.24 | juke | syntax* |
| 10:35.30 | juke | How can I do so? |
| 10:35.43 | DawnLight | use screen |
| 10:35.45 | xingu | juke: app&; app& |
| 10:36.36 | juke | Doesn't work, unespected semi-colon |
| 10:36.41 | juke | Unexpected* |
| 10:36.53 | wols_ | use nohup or screen |
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| 10:37.11 | xingu | juke: (app &); (app &) ? |
| 10:37.16 | juke | I'd much prefer to use bash, his is time critical |
| 10:37.23 | Snapser | !santa rosa |
| 10:37.48 | Snapser | how does Linux go with the Santa Rosa platform? |
| 10:37.54 | vv0rm | how tu search files in etc/ with phrase "vv0rm" ? |
| 10:38.08 | xingu | vv0rm: rgrep vv0rm /etc |
| 10:38.11 | xingu | err |
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| 10:38.13 | xingu | vv0rm: rgrep -r vv0rm /etc |
| 10:38.20 | xingu | if you mean "and all subdirs" |
| 10:38.28 | xingu | otherwise, lose the -r |
| 10:38.32 | vv0rm | yes, thanks |
| 10:38.42 | pintergreg | I have a problem with tft brightness on text-terminal (it's too dark), but it works on X. Could someone help me? |
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| 10:39.21 | xingu | pintergreg: highly dependant on what your display controller is sorry |
| 10:39.29 | xingu | pintergreg: sony spi has spictrl |
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| 10:41.18 | DawnLight | anyone know how to use hexdump? i'd like to dump for instance, 7f, to /dev/ttyS1 but it seems to want to take it's input from files |
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| 10:42.41 | pintergreg | xingu: it happend after i made a new kernel |
| 10:42.46 | itchi | Hi, are there Stable install cd's with a decenter kernel? Question of little unrecognized hardware with stable but works with a testing release with an newer kernel |
| 10:43.04 | itchi | For Sarge there was, but i lost these factoids |
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| 10:43.57 | wols_ | !kmuto |
| 10:43.57 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 10:43.57 | Schalken | how do i change the screen resultion? (im a terminal, no xorg) |
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| 10:44.05 | itchi | wols_: Thanks! |
| 10:44.10 | wols_ | !fb |
| 10:44.10 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
| 10:44.24 | wols_ | Schalken: fbset or with a kernel parameter |
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| 10:45.06 | Ahmadinejad | Which command to delete a directory as root? |
| 10:45.24 | Schalken | wols_: hmm, no command fbset. do i do it with the kernel paramater? edit the grub menu? :) |
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| 10:46.40 | Schalken | Ahmadinejad: same as a user: "rm -R directoryname" |
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| 10:47.17 | Ahmadinejad | Thanks Schalken |
| 10:47.20 | Ahmadinejad | Bye |
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| 10:48.59 | simonrvn | xingu: thanks for your time |
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| 10:54.06 | Haris | How do I check what model raid controller is installed on the box? Its 3ware card. Can't find the model number in dmesg output |
| 10:54.29 | widrone | Haris: lspci ? |
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| 10:55.07 | wols_ | !tell Schalken about installit |
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| 10:56.32 | Schalken | wols_: is there something you suggested i install? |
| 10:56.49 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 10:58.08 | Haris | What model is this raid controller? http://pastebin.ca/735137 |
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| 11:03.44 | Hobbes-- | Question. I'm getting an undefined symbol error.. But.. It's not the kind I'm used to. What does this mean? Could not open driver module /usr/lib/lcdproc/g15.so: /usr/lib/lcdproc/g15.so: undefined symbol: g15daemon_version |
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| 11:04.26 | Hobbes-- | See, I'm used to seeing undefined symbol: blahblah.so .. but, this isn't asking for some .so file. What is it asking for? A function? |
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| 11:05.05 | petemc | most likely |
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| 11:05.36 | petemc | a call to a non existant function due to it being built with a different build system |
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| 11:07.35 | Hobbes-- | Petemc, well, I built g15.so myself. ..Any idea what I might have done wrong? |
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| 11:07.54 | Ramattack | Hi |
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| 11:08.21 | petemc | Hobbes--: not built it against the same headers your kernel uses? |
| 11:08.28 | Ramattack | there's nobody at openvpn... so I'll try here... could openvpn decrease the speed of the connection |
| 11:08.41 | ivh | I have a mouse with several extra buttons. They all work with the evdev-driver for X, but I wonder how I can exchange them between each other, the manpage for evdev does not mention this, in contrast to the one for the mousedrv. (running lenny btw.) |
| 11:08.52 | DawnLight | how can i dump specified hex data to stdout? hexdump seems to translate and dump the contents of files, while i want to specify the hex data |
| 11:08.53 | Ramattack | so if you have don't know 512 kbps of bandwith to only obtain 257 kbps with a speed tester? |
| 11:09.03 | petemc | Ramattack: you would have to think there would be some overhead with the encryption |
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| 11:09.26 | Ramattack | yep but as much as the half speed? |
| 11:09.32 | petemc | no idea |
| 11:10.02 | xingu | Ramattack: what does %us look like in top at 257Kbps ? |
| 11:10.04 | Hobbes-- | petemc, I built it on the box I am trying to run it on. And, well, the undefined symbol isn't a kernel thing.. it comes from another lib. Maybe I have the wrong version of that lib? I installed the -dev packages for the lib. |
| 11:10.18 | Ramattack | xingu, I have redirected all my traffic through vpn |
| 11:10.32 | Ramattack | and went to a web page on inet with tests you're internet connection speed |
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| 11:10.49 | Ramattack | I know I have 512 upload transfer in remote network and here 1 mb of download |
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| 11:10.54 | Hobbes-- | Ramattack: I think that xingu was asking how your cpu usage is looking when you are at 257kbps.. are you maxed out? |
| 11:11.25 | Hobbes-- | %us = %userland cpu usage, is that right xingu? |
| 11:11.26 | badgers | Hobbes--: okay |
| 11:11.34 | Ramattack | oh I'm not sure but think it was quite low... the server is a PIII |
| 11:11.37 | prh | Whenever I do a large transfer on a usb harddrive, all IO on my machines slow down - to a crawl! What can I do? |
| 11:12.00 | xingu | Hobbes--: ja |
| 11:12.05 | Ramattack | not sure now... can't check it at the moment... |
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| 11:12.31 | xingu | Ramattack: I'm not asking about what you recollect, I'm asking for a specific metric; if the server gets hot under network load, then floating-point flatline performance is an issue. |
| 11:12.38 | Hobbes-- | Ramattack: well, encyption is cpu intensive. So that might be the problem. |
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| 11:13.07 | Ramattack | but I'm quite sure I have tested it sometime ago... and have seen 10 % usage the most busy time I think it was.... quite sure... |
| 11:13.12 | xingu | Ramattack: if it doesn't, the problems lie elsewhere; perhaps in the nature of the benchmark |
| 11:13.17 | Ramattack | downloading something at full speed it gives |
| 11:13.54 | Ramattack | have only tested too when it has one connection at that moment |
| 11:14.26 | xingu | Ramattack: I'd also suggest that you benchmark openvpn-over-tcp verses openvpn-over-udp performance given the option |
| 11:14.45 | Ramattack | over udp performance should be better |
| 11:14.49 | Ramattack | and that's what I'm using |
| 11:14.51 | xingu | no |
| 11:15.04 | Ramattack | why not? |
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| 11:15.35 | xingu | there's more opportunity to offload work with tcp |
| 11:15.59 | xingu | udp requires a context switch per packet; tcp at full throttle merely one per window |
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| 11:16.32 | Ramattack | sorry meaning of offload? could you define please? |
| 11:17.10 | xingu | Ramattack: tcp allows you to pass an entire socket window to the card for segmentation, checksumming, and transmit |
| 11:17.31 | xingu | Ramattack: udp only lets you pass a message to the card for checksumming and transmit |
| 11:17.44 | xingu | Ramattack: the message length is constrained by if mtu |
| 11:18.01 | xingu | Ramattack: packet rates will suffer accordingly; udp is always a crap choice on modern hardware/ ip stacks |
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| 11:18.49 | xingu | Ramattack: tcp even lets the card deal with retransmit if its smart enough |
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| 11:19.03 | Ramattack | ok then.... |
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| 11:19.10 | Ramattack | I'll check tcp then |
| 11:19.16 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates :) |
| 11:19.19 | xingu | Ramattack: but lets troubleshoot likely first; get some metrics for cpu use |
| 11:19.24 | Schalken | what is the default password of the root user of mysql? |
| 11:19.35 | Ramattack | Schalken, no one |
| 11:19.36 | xingu | Ramattack: then, if cpu loading isn't the problem, have a look at udp v tcp transport |
| 11:19.47 | Schalken | Ramattack: there isnt one? |
| 11:19.52 | Ramattack | ok I'll check it |
| 11:19.56 | Ramattack | thats right |
| 11:19.59 | Ramattack | mysq. -u root |
| 11:20.02 | Ramattack | and you're done |
| 11:20.05 | xingu | Ramattack: failing that, you need a packet capture of the flow (encrypted flow, on the wire) |
| 11:20.27 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 11:20.31 | Ramattack | well could be difference |
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| 11:20.45 | Ramattack | having 1024 bit key and don't know 512? |
| 11:20.52 | Ramattack | on speed mean |
| 11:21.00 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: without a password mysql will look at your uid.. if it is 0, it will let you in. |
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| 11:21.26 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: uh.. might work for some other users, too, but, it's sure to work when you're root or use sudo. |
| 11:21.52 | Ramattack | and could be difference of speed using tun or tap interface? |
| 11:22.21 | Schalken | Hobbes--: then i dont understand why the configurer for nagios-mysql is asking for a root password for mysql and "" (nothing) doesnt work |
| 11:22.37 | vrv | Hello :) I have dual monitor configuration in with Gnome 2.14.3 and by some reason on the second monitor mouse pointer in some application (to be exacltly in vmware) shifted (the cursor and actual point has difference depended from part of screen), on first monitor all is OK. is any way to correct with exist? |
| 11:22.38 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: until you SET a password for mysql user 'root'. Then you'll have to use it, I believe. ..Unless the auth-by-os-uid has to be turned off... Nevermind, I'm not sure. |
| 11:23.28 | Schalken | Hobbes--: hmm, is there a way i can cancle the configuration of a package and do it again later? |
| 11:23.42 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: log on from the machine and set up a password for a user like 'root'@'%' .. But, are you sure you want to give nagios the root password? What about a different one? |
| 11:23.42 | Ramattack | could you know it xingu ? |
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| 11:24.27 | Schalken | Hobbes--: wait, why the hell does nagios need a databse anyway? |
| 11:24.43 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: yes. ctrl-c a few times.. then later dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> ..Also, if you need to control the granularity of the config questions, see man dpkg-reconfigure ... |
| 11:24.48 | xingu | Ramattack: I doubt there's much mileage in either - review the readme, use the recommended/ default option |
| 11:25.00 | Ramattack | ok :) |
| 11:25.06 | Ramattack | thanks a lot :) |
| 11:25.06 | Schalken | Hobbes--: when i followed the quickinstall on my opensuse box nagios didnt need to hook up to any db. |
| 11:25.11 | Ramattack | have a nice day :) |
| 11:25.46 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: I can only assume that nagios-mysql will monitor database health!! Also, nagios will probably store records in there.. In fact, that is probably what you're setting up now. Individual services to monitor probably get set up at run time I guess?? |
| 11:26.11 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: I dunno. apt-cache show nagios-mysql .. you might be installing the wrong thing. |
| 11:26.30 | Schalken | Hobbes--: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 11:27.23 | Schalken | Hobbes--: nagios-mysql: "This package is compiled with MySQL database support." i think your right about it being for monitoring of mysql servers. |
| 11:27.44 | Schalken | Hobbes--: but if so why is it asking for the root mysql password now then? |
| 11:27.55 | Schalken | wheni havent told it to monitor my mysql server? |
| 11:28.13 | Hobbes-- | I think that it wants to store the graphs and such in mysql. |
| 11:28.23 | Hobbes-- | as in make a table called nagios. |
| 11:28.39 | Hobbes-- | (where else would it store all that data?) |
| 11:29.03 | DawnLight | how can i dump specified hex data to stdout? hexdump seems to translate and dump the contents of files, while i want to specify the hex data |
| 11:29.18 | Hobbes-- | Schalken: it could need a priviledged account to monitor.. but I'm not sure about that. |
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| 11:30.07 | Hobbes-- | DawnLight: uh, I don't understand your question, but, maybe od would be useful to you in some way? (you can specify the base.. man od) |
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| 11:30.29 | Hobbes-- | DawnLight: also, you mean like echo \0xff ? |
| 11:30.59 | Hobbes-- | ... ignore that last line. ;) |
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| 11:31.26 | biz | i've just downloaded the memtest86+ precompiled bootable iso and the binary, how can i put them on my usb stick and boot from it? |
| 11:31.39 | DawnLight | Hobbes--: i want to send hex to /dev/ttyS1 from command line |
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| 11:32.16 | DawnLight | biz: i think memtest86.org have those instructions |
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| 11:34.39 | Hobbes-- | DawnLight: echo -e '\x07' |
| 11:34.53 | Hobbes-- | that will beep your console. There, you know what to do from here, eh? :) |
| 11:35.37 | Hobbes-- | that's in bash. the -e is significant, it tells echo to parse that escape sequence. \xHH where H and H are hex digits, the value of the char |
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| 11:35.53 | Hobbes-- | ok nini all |
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| 11:36.24 | vrv | Hello :) Is any easy instruction available how to add encrypted lvm. or is it possible to use something like installation utility to make additional encrypted lvm on new hdd? |
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| 11:39.31 | wols_ | Schalken: yes, fbse |
| 11:39.35 | wols_ | *fbset |
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| 11:39.51 | DawnLight | Hobbes--: i have an irrigation valves controller that recieves it's commands from an rs232. i know it's protocol, and am communicating with it successfully using gtkterm. now i want to use cron. i have a null cable connecting ttyS0 to ttys1 so i can listen to the output of these commands. "echo -e '\x07'" prints "00 0a" in hex |
| 11:39.51 | Schalken | wols_: ohhhh, right ;) |
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| 11:41.55 | DawnLight | Hobbes--: man echo doesn't have the \x option |
| 11:41.58 | supplyanddemand | Ive downloaded a diff-file to patch screen to support vertical splits. But I have no idea what to do next. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 11:42.28 | surrounder | supplyanddemand: apply it? :P |
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| 11:42.58 | supplyanddemand | I don't even know that the file type existed. How do I apply it and where? :p |
| 11:42.59 | Hobbes-- | DawnLight: man bash|less .. hit type /\\x and hit n a few times. |
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| 11:43.29 | surrounder | supplyanddemand: well, get the source (USE THE SOURCE LUKE!) and use the 'patch' program to apply the diff on the source |
| 11:44.10 | supplyanddemand | so I need to download the screen source, apply the patch with to program and then it's rock and roll? Do I need to uninstall screen first? |
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| 11:44.25 | surrounder | supplyanddemand: that's preferable yes |
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| 11:45.08 | supplyanddemand | surrounder: Any good links that can show me how to use the patch program? |
| 11:45.08 | surrounder | if you want to do it all debian-like you could use apt-get source and apply the patch there to create a .deb of it |
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| 11:45.46 | supplyanddemand | I actually got a deb file from the start. Then i dpkg -i its ass and it gave me a diff. |
| 11:46.23 | surrounder | aaah ok |
| 11:46.29 | Hobbes-- | DawnLight: cron might not use bash by default, I don't know if the same escape sequences are done in bash. You know, perl or something might be better suited for this, depending on how much data you need to send. There are also command line term programs. minicom has an ansi interface, but it might have other modes I think? |
| 11:46.47 | surrounder | supplyanddemand: http://www.cpqlinux.com/patch.html |
| 11:46.48 | Hobbes-- | s/done in bash/done in other shells/ |
| 11:47.00 | supplyanddemand | surrounder: Thanks, I'll have a look. |
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| 11:47.28 | surrounder | supplyanddemand: no problem and good luck :) |
| 11:47.39 | supplyanddemand | surrounder: Thanks. |
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| 11:49.09 | Hobbes-- | dawn, by the way, you are strongly encouraged to share what you are working on! That's cool. If you don't have time to make a project of it, at least dump it up on a wiki somewhere or post it to some mailing list that has online-archives, so that future devs can build off your work (mainly what you know about the protocol, I bet) |
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| 11:52.20 | DawnLight | Hobbes--: i don't know perl. the actual amount of data to send is very small. open/close valves or query valve state. for instance, to open valve 2 in unit 1, the port should send 40 01 32. actually, i don't know any language. but this is where cron gets handy, i think |
| 11:52.41 | SpeedyG | hey, if i've got nvidia-kernel installed, and I installed another kernel after that, should I reinstall nvidia kernel then again ? |
| 11:53.22 | simonrvn | it gets built per-kernel |
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| 11:53.29 | SpeedyG | ok |
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| 11:53.58 | simonrvn | starting to feel like winter now |
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| 11:54.11 | simonrvn | or mid fall anyway =) |
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| 11:55.53 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: the default was 2.6.18-5-486, I replaced it with a custom 2.6.18 kernel, which nvidia-kernel would be smartest to choose? |
| 11:56.27 | SpeedyG | 2.6-486 ? |
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| 11:57.29 | DawnLight | !tell SpeedyG about nvidia |
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| 11:58.15 | SpeedyG | DawnLight: I allready knew that, just not which kernel to use now :) |
| 11:58.28 | DawnLight | Speedyg: what do you mean? |
| 11:58.40 | SpeedyG | that I knew the basics about the nvidiakernel |
| 11:59.02 | SpeedyG | but it seems that the 2.6-486 did the trick :D |
| 12:01.05 | SpeedyG | now all I have to find out, is how to get my remote-control working with my tv-tuner :) |
| 12:02.15 | Palish | Hey.. #mac is dead, would you mind an offtopic question here? :/ |
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| 12:02.26 | abrotman | #macosx ? |
| 12:02.36 | Palish | thanks, I'll try there. |
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| 12:04.32 | DawnLight | hey abrotman, perhaps you know how to send raw hex to stdout from command line? |
| 12:05.03 | abrotman | do you need to convert it from something else ? |
| 12:05.10 | abrotman | or you already know the hex code ? |
| 12:05.28 | DawnLight | no abrotman, i know the hex. they are commands to the irrigation controller |
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| 12:05.53 | Burrors | !hosts |
| 12:05.56 | Burrors | !hostname |
| 12:05.56 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 12:05.56 | DawnLight | like 40 01 31 |
| 12:06.05 | abrotman | Burrors: msg the bot please |
| 12:07.00 | Burrors | hey, any howto on the internet about the basic debian setup for webserver usage? Apart from all the specified setups of apache, mail etc. are there any other configs to be made with the actual debian os |
| 12:07.46 | SpeedyG | Burrors: howtoforge has some |
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| 12:07.58 | SpeedyG | Burrors: http://www.howtoforge.com/ |
| 12:08.36 | Burrors | thanks |
| 12:08.42 | abrotman | DawnLight: echo "\ab0234c" etc ? |
| 12:09.28 | abrotman | DawnLight: or ask #bash |
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| 12:09.50 | DawnLight | that doesn't do it. i'll ask them. thanks! |
| 12:10.20 | abrotman | maybe you need to pass -ne |
| 12:10.24 | Burrors | !grub |
| 12:10.24 | dpkg | grub is, like, the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 12:10.29 | abrotman | Burrors: MSG THE BOT |
| 12:10.43 | Burrors | sry |
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| 12:10.44 | Burrors | relax |
| 12:11.26 | Burrors | anyone using xen for virtualizing? |
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| 12:12.29 | EmleyMoor | I've just changed my DVD writer and now I'm getting a panic due to init not starting - how do I fix this? |
| 12:12.49 | EmleyMoor | (I have an etch DVD available) |
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| 12:13.34 | EmleyMoor | I will have to try something and come back - can't move either machine - back shortly but any suggestions welcomed |
| 12:14.17 | abrotman | unplug the dvd drive make it work ? |
| 12:14.24 | DawnLight | EmleyMoor: is the ata cable connected well? |
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| 12:15.10 | maestro | hello, i have a problem with xorg and fglrx.. the dist-upgrade of sid installed today new packages for fglrx. after then i cannot start kde (xorg) with fglrx |
| 12:16.24 | EmleyMoor | It's telling me no init found |
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| 12:17.11 | EmleyMoor | DawnLight: Which one? - I will have to investigate further on the other points |
| 12:17.43 | DawnLight | EmleyMoor: the one connecting the drive to the board |
| 12:17.55 | EmleyMoor | DawnLight: Which drive? |
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| 12:18.18 | DawnLight | EmleyMoor: the dvd writer |
| 12:18.55 | EmleyMoor | hda, hdb, hdc all detected correctly, as are hde and hdg (the DVD drives) - besides, this absence of init is surely to do with hda - but will now go and check the lot |
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| 12:21.50 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: did you try unplugging it ? |
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| 12:23.28 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 12:23.44 | DawnLight | abrotman: i was told the way to do it! "printf "%b" "\x0f\x10" |
| 12:23.55 | abrotman | oh .. that makes sense |
| 12:24.12 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: I did. No differencer |
| 12:24.16 | EmleyMoor | difference |
| 12:24.22 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: just wondering .. okay |
| 12:24.26 | EmleyMoor | The kernel package was updated this morning |
| 12:24.35 | EmleyMoor | I am wondering if that has any bearing |
| 12:25.12 | abrotman | can you boot an older kernel ? |
| 12:25.21 | EmleyMoor | No - there isn't one to boot |
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| 12:25.52 | EmleyMoor | (no older valid kernel exists on the machine) |
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| 12:28.26 | EmleyMoor | Any guidance on how I fix this? As I say, I have an etch DVD available I could boot from given the right options |
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| 12:28.57 | DawnLight | and we sure want you to do that! |
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| 12:29.13 | DawnLight | does that dvd writer work on other machines? |
| 12:29.31 | EmleyMoor | Irrelevant |
| 12:29.44 | DawnLight | what if it doesn't? |
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| 12:30.13 | EmleyMoor | I'll deal with that when it happens |
| 12:30.31 | EmleyMoor | At the moment I can't even start the machine in the absence of it |
| 12:30.37 | DawnLight | i thought the problem happens when the drive is connected |
| 12:30.44 | DawnLight | aha |
| 12:30.49 | EmleyMoor | No - whether it is connected or not |
| 12:30.58 | DawnLight | can you boot anything else? |
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| 12:31.21 | EmleyMoor | It's a showstopper problem that just happened to be there at the very boot after it was installed |
| 12:31.36 | EmleyMoor | I can boot the etch DVD but if I try to rescue, it tries to kill init |
| 12:32.07 | DawnLight | can you boot something that isn't linux? |
| 12:32.27 | plb | Out of curiousity is it normal for Iceweasel & Flash to consume nearly 80% CPU Usage when viewing videos at say youtube? (1.2ghz AthlonXP box) |
| 12:32.35 | EmleyMoor | Ummm... there is an ancient Win98 setup on one of the other drives - that may work but not sure how well |
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| 12:33.29 | DawnLight | EmleyMoor: thats the first thing i'd check. another kernel, not linux. |
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| 12:33.47 | EmleyMoor | DawnLight: But what will it prove? |
| 12:34.06 | abrotman | boot a livecd perhaps .. reinstall the kernel |
| 12:34.14 | EmleyMoor | (will it prove anything that doing something with the etch DVD won't?) |
| 12:34.22 | EmleyMoor | I need a kernel to reinstall... |
| 12:34.55 | EmleyMoor | I can sort out a livecd - that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 12:35.33 | DawnLight | i'd run hardware tests |
| 12:36.08 | EmleyMoor | I am over 90% sure they will NOT find a fault. |
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| 12:36.49 | EmleyMoor | This just happened to be the first boot after the new kernel |
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| 12:37.45 | EmleyMoor | What's a recommended live CD for emergencies like this? |
| 12:37.51 | abrotman | there's a debian livecd |
| 12:38.13 | EmleyMoor | There is? Hmmm... |
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| 12:38.51 | DawnLight | there is UBCD |
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| 12:39.26 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: I personally like grml.org livecd |
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| 12:40.11 | Geezle | That new kernel. . .did you build it or is it one you apt-got? |
| 12:40.40 | EmleyMoor | I apt-got it |
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| 12:43.51 | EmleyMoor | Er, excuse me, I haven't got 6 hours! |
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| 12:45.09 | Geezle | This is pretty raw, but if you can boot from a DVD or livecd, then rename vmlinuz in the root of your regular boot drive and copy the one from the livecd over. . .if the version is close enough to the kernel mods that you are loading, then it will boot. . . |
| 12:45.47 | Geezle | . . .assuming that the problem is the new kernel. . . |
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| 12:45.51 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good fast mirror of the Debian livecds |
| 12:46.01 | EmleyMoor | Geezle: I am over 90% certain it is |
| 12:46.29 | Geezle | Boot with your DVD then. . . |
| 12:46.32 | EmleyMoor | I will see if I can do anything with the etch DVD first |
| 12:46.53 | EmleyMoor | If I boot it "normally", there's a way I can get into mounting stuff, isn't there?# |
| 12:46.53 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: it's dumb not to have a backup kernel. now you know. As for solving the issue, boot a livecd, mount your root filesystem somewhere, also your /boot, /usr and /var if they're separate, /proc too, then chroot to it and install a working kernel image |
| 12:47.17 | EmleyMoor | jelly: It is apt-get's fault (OK, maybe 50% apt-get's fault) I don't |
| 12:47.29 | abrotman | it's not apt's fault that you don't have a backup kernel |
| 12:47.52 | EmleyMoor | It's not entirely its fault. |
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| 12:48.16 | EmleyMoor | Does it keep the .4s when the .5s are out? If so, I should have installed one as well |
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| 12:49.44 | EmleyMoor | I will see what I can do with the etch dvd and be back |
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| 12:50.03 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: if you mean the difference between eg. 2.6.18-4-686 and a 2.6.18-5-686 image, there's a possibility for the old image to get removed on upgrade (if you used aptitude, and installed linux-image-2.6-686, and let aptitude install the real image automatically) |
| 12:50.05 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: you have to remove the -4- manually |
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| 12:51.02 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: hoe many entries do you see in grub menu at boot? |
| 12:51.08 | cahoot | do they share /lib/modules? |
| 12:51.11 | jelly-home | s/hoe/how/ |
| 12:51.50 | jelly-home | cahoot: all kernel images share /lib/modules (but not /lib/modules/$(uname -r)) ;-) |
| 12:51.52 | Geezle | Emleymoor: Yeah, boot the etch DVD, mount root, rename vmlinuz, then copy the one from the DVD over and try that;. . . |
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| 12:53.00 | darrh00 | run an X11 program on a remote server,can I specify color depth? |
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| 12:54.58 | Geezle | Emleymoor: I assume that you checked in /sbin for init? Just in case somethine ate it? |
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| 13:01.24 | jmccc | i don't have access to a native debian system at the moment--what is the directory for dropping udev rules files into in /etc? |
| 13:01.53 | psyche_ | how i can configure alsa? |
| 13:02.00 | psyche_ | it says that i dont have modules loaded |
| 13:02.03 | psyche_ | but i have |
| 13:02.09 | psyche_ | i just compiled kernel |
| 13:02.29 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 13:02.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 13:02.43 | abrotman | jmccc: the z25 thing ? |
| 13:02.55 | jmccc | abrotman: yes |
| 13:03.10 | abrotman | /etc/udev/ ? |
| 13:03.12 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: If it was there in ther first place |
| 13:03.16 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: 2 |
| 13:03.25 | EmleyMoor | Besides, I have found the problem |
| 13:03.50 | EmleyMoor | When you think you have eliminated stupidity, reseat the RAM and try again |
| 13:03.56 | jmccc | on Ubuntu it is /etc/udev/rules.d; but I thought I saw an script for Debian that puts them in /etc/hotplug.d or something like that, so I want to be sure |
| 13:04.07 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: wtf .. really ? |
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| 13:04.25 | abrotman | jmccc: there is a /etc/udev/rules.d/ also |
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| 13:04.37 | EmleyMoor | Well, reseating the RAM got it going |
| 13:04.40 | psyche_ | abrotman that doesnt help |
| 13:04.46 | psyche_ | because i dont have modules loaded |
| 13:04.53 | psyche_ | that because alsa cant find my soundcard |
| 13:04.58 | jmccc | ah, ok, it's the same, as I expected, must have been an old script, thanks |
| 13:04.58 | abrotman | ask #alsa |
| 13:05.04 | psyche_ | ask your momma |
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| 13:06.36 | abrotman | okay then |
| 13:06.58 | moope1 | hi all, how do I specify which interface dhcpd listens on? |
| 13:07.42 | Airbottle | hey, i'm trying to format a HD with GParted, but this program is slow as hell, it tells me that he is analysint the stations, but it takes already like 10 minutes, is there a way to find out if there is something wrong? |
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| 13:14.57 | moope1 | How do I stop dhcpd listening on an interface? |
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| 13:16.07 | masus | hi all, i cant login to my server "authentication failed" |
| 13:16.19 | JeremyK | masus: give it the right password |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | moope1: shold be in the config file |
| 13:16.28 | masus | yes it's the right password |
| 13:16.44 | masus | because i login since 3 month with the same password |
| 13:17.02 | masus | i can't login allso not with the other users |
| 13:17.16 | masus | how to fix this :S |
| 13:17.31 | JeremyK | masus: do you have an existing connection to the machine? |
| 13:17.44 | masus | yes i'll be have in 30 min |
| 13:17.56 | JeremyK | sounds like either your /etc/{passwd,shadow} files is screwed up, or pam is screwed up |
| 13:18.08 | JeremyK | both are a whole lot easier to fix if you already have a connection open |
| 13:18.24 | JeremyK | obviously if you can't log in you can't fix your login problems :) |
| 13:18.25 | masus | i have not an open connection |
| 13:18.28 | moope1 | abrotman: yeah, but I cant find the syntax anywhere! |
| 13:18.35 | masus | reaallly |
| 13:18.38 | masus | ;( |
| 13:19.04 | JeremyK | masus: but if you have physical access to the machine, you can boot up with any sort of livecd, mount the partitions, fix what you need, and reboot |
| 13:19.06 | abrotman | moope1: i don't have the package installed .. but it really should be there ... |
| 13:19.10 | JeremyK | or you can boot with single user mode |
| 13:19.26 | masus | how to ? can u explain |
| 13:19.31 | masus | so i'll try |
| 13:19.37 | abrotman | moope1: moment |
| 13:19.40 | JeremyK | google for single user mode |
| 13:19.47 | masus | ok and for passwd |
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| 13:21.13 | cast | evening folks |
| 13:21.52 | Airbottle | is there a bot on the channel that we can ask questions? |
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| 13:22.03 | streuner | many |
| 13:22.05 | cast | !hello |
| 13:22.06 | dpkg | Hi, cast! |
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| 13:22.08 | Kmos | hi |
| 13:22.12 | streuner | apt, test |
| 13:22.13 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 13:22.16 | Kmos | Applications/Math is a valid new menu ? |
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| 13:22.43 | Airbottle | !mount hard disk |
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| 13:23.15 | cast | Airbottle: /msg dpkg listkeys mount |
| 13:23.22 | streuner | ravenbird, say Airbottle /msg dpkg help |
| 13:23.23 | ravenbird | Airbottle /msg dpkg help |
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| 13:24.04 | abrotman | moope1: it's in /etc/init.d/dhcp |
| 13:24.06 | streuner | Airbottle: what kind of HD do you want mount? |
| 13:24.13 | streuner | Airbottle: USB? |
| 13:24.15 | Airbottle | a seagate 250 gb |
| 13:24.30 | streuner | Airbottle: man mount, man fstab |
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| 13:24.42 | Kmos | Applications/Math is a valid new menu ? |
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| 13:25.44 | Airbottle | ah thanks streuner :) |
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| 13:26.30 | moope1 | weird, it only has eth0 in the int.d file, no mention of eth1 but it still wants a subnet declaration for it |
| 13:26.36 | moope1 | abrotman ^ |
| 13:26.54 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 13:29.26 | brianski | howdy, i've got a debootstrap install that can boot into single user mode just fine, but when i try to boot in regular mode, grub gives me an error 15 (file not found)... which i don't get since i have the same kernel and initrd.img ... any ideas? |
| 13:29.43 | renihs_ | hello, could anyone on a debian name me the name of the package dpatch-run belongs to? |
| 13:30.41 | abrotman | !tell renihs_ about search |
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| 13:32.08 | renihs_ | abrotman, thanks alot, however it returns no results :) |
| 13:32.29 | abrotman | !find dpatch-run etch |
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| 13:32.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dpatch-run' (1): (/usr/share/dpatch/dpatch-run) in devel/dpatch. |
| 13:33.05 | renihs_ | now i have |
| 13:33.09 | renihs_ | yaya :) |
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| 13:34.26 | brianski | ah it's the savedefault that's causing grub to error 15 |
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| 13:35.06 | DawnLight | when i send stdout to /dev/ttyS*, how does the baud rate and such get determined? |
| 13:35.16 | outlaw84 | what filesystem should I use if I wanto mount an .iso file and write to this file? |
| 13:35.36 | streuner | iso9660? |
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| 13:35.49 | DawnLight | outlaw84: you can't write to that |
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| 13:36.12 | outlaw84 | DawnLight: Then how do I go about it? |
| 13:36.18 | streuner | outlaw84: you could use mkiosfs in order to write _AFTER_ you make the changes |
| 13:36.27 | DawnLight | you make a new image |
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| 13:38.11 | Airbottle | is it possible to shut down a hard drive without unplugging the current plug? |
| 13:38.34 | cast | man hdparm, send it into standby |
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| 13:38.47 | Airbottle | ok thanks cast, i'll try it |
| 13:38.57 | outlaw84 | Airbottle: its eaither -y or -Y |
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| 13:44.22 | rha_1 | hello |
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| 13:50.42 | Airbottle | ok, cast and outlaw84, it works like a charm :) |
| 13:50.45 | Airbottle | thanks |
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| 13:55.42 | Kobaz | anyone know how i would turn off tap-to-click for my touchpad... i know if you use the synaptics driver it's just an option, but my synaptics driver can't find any compatible hardware |
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| 13:56.44 | valdyn | DawnLight: look at 'setserial' |
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| 13:57.26 | valdyn | DawnLight: its probably some ioctl but setserial is a tool to set serial settings |
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| 13:58.49 | valdyn | !ioctl |
| 13:58.53 | valdyn | oo |
| 13:58.57 | valdyn | !test |
| 13:58.57 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 13:59.02 | stoned | good morning |
| 13:59.24 | stoned | Eid Mubarak/Happy Eid to all brothers and sisters |
| 13:59.27 | Bladerunner05 | hi all, I have to install debian on my proliant. I'm planning to install xen. the question is: I have to assign all of my disk space to my first debian installation and xen use a part of it ? |
| 13:59.32 | stoned | I shall now roll a well deserved joint |
| 13:59.44 | Nyle | Eid Mubarak/Happy Eid to all brothers and sisters |
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| 13:59.48 | Nyle | ye ye |
| 13:59.57 | Schalken | !sid |
| 13:59.57 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq> |
| 14:00.05 | valdyn | Bladerunner05: surely not |
| 14:00.21 | elenril | weird - hibernate/s2disk now corrupts my swap |
| 14:00.23 | valdyn | Bladerunner05: whatever 'assign all of my disk space' is supposed to mean, surely not |
| 14:00.25 | Schalken | hmm |
| 14:00.31 | elenril | but echo disk > /sys/power/state works |
| 14:00.55 | valdyn | elenril: 'corrupts' ? |
| 14:01.01 | valdyn | elenril: it _writes_ to swap |
| 14:01.19 | elenril | valdyn, i have to run mkswap |
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| 14:01.43 | elenril | valdyn, it doesn't resume and swap is unusable |
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| 14:01.57 | valdyn | elenril: i see |
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| 14:03.47 | Bladerunner05 | what debian image I use on proliant 4 pentium 4 processor ? |
| 14:03.58 | abrotman | i386 |
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| 14:04.15 | wols_ | Bladerunner05: i386 install media with i686 kernel |
| 14:04.39 | Schalken | !openoffice |
| 14:04.39 | dpkg | [openoffice.org] an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org, or ask me about <openoffice.org amd64> |
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| 14:05.59 | Schalken | !experimental |
| 14:05.59 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:06.09 | Ronin | !tell Schalken about self tell |
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| 14:06.42 | Ahmadinejad | How to delete the search story of gedit? |
| 14:06.42 | fules67 | udv |
| 14:06.58 | Bladerunner05 | I have 6 scsi disk of 300gb each one with smart array 6i raid controller, wich type of raid I have to setup? |
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| 14:07.07 | Schalken | Ronin: that didnt work, but i figured out what were pointing me at, thanks. |
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| 14:07.22 | Ronin | Schalken: heh forgot theres no space in it |
| 14:08.14 | wols_ | Bladerunner05: hw raid. check for a driver for your controller |
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| 14:08.49 | Bladerunner05 | •wols_• yes raid controller. where I can check for the driver ? |
| 14:09.02 | wols_ | with whoever sold you the thing |
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| 14:09.06 | jelly-home | !find bin/dpatch-run$ |
| 14:09.08 | wols_ | !hardware |
| 14:09.08 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 14:09.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/dpatch-run' returned no results. |
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| 14:10.08 | Ahmadinejad | *history |
| 14:10.24 | Schalken | what does it take to get package in experimental, as opposed to unstable? |
| 14:11.08 | cahoot | guts? |
| 14:11.24 | Kobaz | anyone know how i would turn off tap-to-click for my touchpad... i know if you use the synaptics driver it's just an option, but my synaptics driver can't find any compatible hardware |
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| 14:11.28 | stoned | Ahmadinejad: sup |
| 14:11.40 | Ahmadinejad | stoned: How to delete the search history of gedit? |
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| 14:11.48 | stoned | Ahmadinejad: I don't know. Ask in #gnome? |
| 14:12.01 | Spyro_boy | hey |
| 14:12.05 | Ahmadinejad | Ah, thanks |
| 14:12.07 | stoned | Ahmadinejad: eid mubarak |
| 14:12.12 | Spyro_boy | I know this sounds ridiculous but it'd work in my case. |
| 14:12.22 | DawnLight | when i send stdout to /dev/ttyS*, how does the baud rate and such get determined? |
| 14:12.24 | Spyro_boy | if I downloaded the four DVD weekly build ISOs |
| 14:12.26 | Ahmadinejad | stoned: Eide shomaham mobarak:) |
| 14:12.38 | azeem | please write in english |
| 14:12.42 | eide | what? |
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| 14:12.55 | Spyro_boy | and mounted them and put them in my sources.lst, could I effectively dist-upgrade my PC from ISOs? |
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| 14:13.41 | azeem | eide: you weren't meant |
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| 14:15.31 | Spyro_boy | seems like I found my answer: apt-cdrom |
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| 14:31.09 | duns_s_ | hi |
| 14:31.14 | duns_s_ | i get a lot of: bio too big device md1 (248 > 240) |
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| 14:31.29 | duns_s_ | and sometimes EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_xattr_block_get: inode 2801666: bad block 5659393 |
| 14:31.31 | duns_s_ | on my server |
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| 14:32.46 | duns_s_ | i have a mdadm software raid with an internal ide disk and external usb-2.0 disk with 100 gb size |
| 14:32.54 | duns_s_ | and luks on top of it |
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| 14:33.16 | duns_s_ | this is then exported via nfs as /home to one client |
| 14:33.55 | jelly-home | duns_s_: lots of layers you got there |
| 14:34.00 | duns_s_ | it worked for quite some time, but i got these problems first two weeks ago |
| 14:34.05 | duns_s_ | jelly-home: yes |
| 14:34.11 | duns_s_ | it worked like a charm |
| 14:34.23 | jelly-home | duns_s_: sounds like a corrupted filesystem. if there are no indications of hardware failure and mdstat shows the md device is ok, do a fsck |
| 14:34.44 | duns_s_ | i could even play command and conquer tiberium wars on wine on top of it |
| 14:34.46 | jelly-home | I have no experience with encryption though |
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| 14:35.12 | spq | hm, i want to setup simple ntp clients on a bunch of servers running sarge or etch, i have installed ntpdate on all machines, ran it with a list of ntp servers, and removed ntpdate - because im searching for a package which installs itself into cron or keeps running as a daemon |
| 14:35.15 | duns_s_ | jelly-home: did that a week ago when i first had these problems |
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| 14:35.33 | duns_s_ | worked for months |
| 14:35.44 | Bladerunner05 | what kind of raid is ADG ? |
| 14:35.49 | tension | hi alllll |
| 14:36.02 | duns_s_ | any ideas? |
| 14:36.14 | duns_s_ | what does bio too big device md1 mean? |
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| 14:37.04 | azeem | spq: why can't you run it from cron yourself? |
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| 14:37.32 | spq | hm, i could but i thought there would be better packages for this purpose |
| 14:37.48 | spq | what for intervalls should i use? |
| 14:37.55 | spq | 1 week? |
| 14:38.01 | spq | day? |
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| 14:38.23 | duns_s_ | what happens if one disk of a mdadm gets bad blocks (hardware failure)? |
| 14:38.24 | jelly-home | spq: I run ntpdate hourly on a few servers with flaky clock |
| 14:38.32 | duns_s_ | s/mdadm/mdadm raid |
| 14:38.49 | itchi | spq: That's up to you |
| 14:38.57 | duns_s_ | i cannot check the usb disk with smartctl |
| 14:38.57 | cast | why ntpdate hourly instead of ntpd? |
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| 14:39.07 | itchi | spq: Once or twice a day will be good, depending of the delay you may have |
| 14:39.23 | Maakuth | duns_s_, well, mdadm is just an administration software for raid |
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| 14:39.39 | Maakuth | but the consequences depend on your type of raid, number of spares, etc. |
| 14:39.51 | jelly-home | duns_s_: md marks the component bad and does use it, leaving the raid1 in degraded mode |
| 14:40.05 | jelly-home | doesn't* |
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| 14:40.17 | duns_s_ | jelly-home: thanks |
| 14:40.29 | duns_s_ | so i can assume the external drive is okay? |
| 14:40.32 | Maakuth | well, if you have spare disk installed or your raid has a mirror on three or more drives it won't be degraded, or at least not for long |
| 14:40.46 | jelly-home | duns_s_: if /proc/mdstat says so |
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| 14:40.59 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: no it is raid-1(?) two disks mirrored |
| 14:41.11 | duns_s_ | jelly-home: it says so |
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| 14:41.39 | Maakuth | okay. if you've just got two disks and the other one fails, you have a degraded raid |
| 14:42.18 | rbanffy | Hi folks. My Debian box started acting up yesterday. Has anyone else experienced dns lookup problems? |
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| 14:42.56 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: but it will still work like a single disk, right? |
| 14:43.00 | Maakuth | yes |
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| 14:43.23 | duns_s_ | and what is "bio too big" about? |
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| 14:43.35 | Maakuth | hmmh? |
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| 14:44.23 | duns_s_ | dmesg throws a lot of: bio too big device md1 (248 > 240) |
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| 14:44.58 | duns_s_ | could it be that the two partitions ( i mirror two partitions of 100 gb size) are not exactly the same size? |
| 14:45.15 | moope1 | If I have two internet connections into a debian machine, how do I test them? |
| 14:45.23 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Anyone else woke up with DNS problems or it's just me? |
| 14:45.31 | moope1 | I mean, how do I specify which interface to use? |
| 14:45.40 | duns_s_ | moope1: set the route correctly |
| 14:45.42 | spq | moope1, via the routing table |
| 14:45.47 | rbanffy | moope1: You can ifdown each one |
| 14:46.04 | Maakuth | duns_s_, sounds like that yes |
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| 14:47.36 | duns_s_ | and then i get this: EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_xattr_block_get: inode 2801666: bad block 5659393 |
| 14:47.50 | duns_s_ | different inodes different bad blocks |
| 14:48.02 | rbanffy | "dig ftp.debian.org" gave me ";; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 3653". Does anyone know what could be going on? |
| 14:48.06 | duns_s_ | from time to time |
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| 14:48.20 | moope1 | We have just got a cable Internet connection. They sent up a black buggery box that connects to a windows client fine. dhclienting the connection gives an IP address but I dont thin its connected to the interent. |
| 14:48.24 | solemnwarning | I've noticed that the clock in Xen domains skews after time and can't be set, how can I fix this? |
| 14:48.32 | Maakuth | duns_s_, that's not good |
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| 14:48.45 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: yes i know |
| 14:48.48 | solemnwarning | If I run ntpdate in a domU it completes with no error but the time isn't actually set |
| 14:48.59 | solemnwarning | And running ntpdate in dom0 doesn't affect the domU's |
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| 14:49.03 | duns_s_ | is it possbile that a file system gets blocks and problems like that over nfs? |
| 14:49.21 | duns_s_ | i mean if the clients do some crap or get hard resetted? |
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| 14:49.31 | Maakuth | nope |
| 14:49.42 | Maakuth | that's not ext3's problem, nfs should handle that gracefully |
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| 14:50.35 | duns_s_ | i *loved* that setup :-( |
| 14:51.48 | Kobaz | anyone know how i would turn off tap-to-click for my touchpad... i know if you use the synaptics driver it's just an option, but my synaptics driver can't find any compatible hardware |
| 14:52.07 | solemnwarning | Kobaz: Set the MaxTapTime option to 0 in xorg.conf |
| 14:52.15 | Kobaz | yeah that doesn't work |
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| 14:52.26 | duns_s_ | o.k. i have: internal partition(100gb) + usb external partition (100gb) -> mdadm raid -> cryptsetup-luks -> ext3 -> nfs |
| 14:52.30 | solemnwarning | Then somthing's messed up with your machine/driver |
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| 14:52.40 | Kobaz | like i said, the driver doesn't load |
| 14:52.45 | duns_s_ | the disks seem o.k. |
| 14:52.46 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 14:52.46 | Kobaz | and is there another way |
| 14:53.20 | Kobaz | so, heh |
| 14:53.34 | s4xxon | hello, in the last boots i got a proccess that takes a lot of my cpu usage. its called ksoftirqd/1 running by root user . whats that exactly |
| 14:53.36 | duns_s_ | if one disk would be smaller like the other this could cause ext3-fs errors, but not on different blocks, right? |
| 14:53.57 | Kobaz | solemnwarning: tapping tends to be really screwy... i move my mouse around and it will just click |
| 14:53.59 | rbanffy | Anyone willing to help me debug a weird DNS problem? |
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| 14:55.05 | Kobaz | weird dns problems are always fun |
| 14:55.18 | solemnwarning | So, anyone know a fix for my clock issue? |
| 14:55.24 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: even if the disks are not the same size and get problems here, it should be on the same block, right? |
| 14:55.52 | Maakuth | hmmmh |
| 14:56.01 | Kobaz | duns_s_: what type of raid? |
| 14:56.05 | rbanffy | solemnwarning: Can you install ntp-something on your time-traveling boxes? |
| 14:56.09 | duns_s_ | Kobaz: mdadm raid-1 |
| 14:56.15 | Kobaz | okay raid-1 is good |
| 14:56.33 | solemnwarning | I said that the clocks in domU's can't be set for some reason.. |
| 14:56.38 | Maakuth | well, if you have only one disk on your raid, the kernel probably doesn't drop it, so bad sectors on hardware end up in raid device |
| 14:56.46 | rbanffy | Kobaz: Do you have any idea why I get a ";; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 10238" when I "dig ftp.debian.org"? |
| 14:56.47 | solemnwarning | ntpdate runs with no errors, claims to have set the clock but doesn't |
| 14:56.59 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: this would be really stupid |
| 14:57.16 | rmaj | kopete in debian is broken; newest version should work, what can I do? |
| 14:57.19 | Kobaz | rbanffy: your dns server is refusing the query |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | rmaj: how is it broken? |
| 14:57.48 | Maakuth | why? it's just a question between having a raid with some bad sectors or raid with zero devices :) |
| 14:57.52 | rbanffy | Kobaz: Hmmm. |
| 14:57.56 | rmaj | abrotman: it crashes |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | rmaj: in etch? |
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| 14:59.12 | rmaj | abrotman: in testing |
| 14:59.26 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
| 15:00.29 | Kobaz | once you log in it will save your details locally so you don't have to type it in again |
| 15:00.32 | Kobaz | er |
| 15:00.34 | rbanffy | Kobaz: Is there a way to ask bind9 why is he playing this trick on me? |
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| 15:01.39 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: because that means all bad sectors get copied |
| 15:01.45 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: or not? |
| 15:01.59 | Maakuth | well, they dont't if you only have one drive :) |
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| 15:02.29 | slakmagik | How do I get Debian to *use* the cat pages I just created? And is there a better way than 'catman' to create them? Other systems just create them when the manpage is first requested - not as an all or nothing thing. The catman man page, mandb.conf, and google don't help. |
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| 15:02.46 | s4xxon | i tried to make a fsck -A , but it was telling me that my '/' partition is mounted and it could damage it while checking for errors, how can i do a check disk on my linux partition ? |
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| 15:03.05 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: i have raid-1 with two drives internal and usb external, so you don't mean my setup but a raid with only one disk, right? |
| 15:03.43 | Maakuth | if your external drive is smaller than the internal one it can't work as a mirror |
| 15:03.56 | Maakuth | if that's the case, your system is effectively a raid with one drive |
| 15:04.11 | moope1 | Whats the best CLI only torrent client with a web interface? |
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| 15:04.34 | duns_s_ | Maakuth: md1 : active raid1 sdb1[1] hda4[0] |
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| 15:05.00 | Maakuth | yeah well, then i don't know |
| 15:05.01 | duns_s_ | in /proc/mdstat |
| 15:05.06 | duns_s_ | o.k. |
| 15:05.08 | duns_s_ | okay |
| 15:05.47 | blinx | ey |
| 15:05.50 | blinx | *hey |
| 15:06.33 | blinx | anyone has experience with touchscreens? I want to buy me a third tft but now it should be a touchscreen. Which manufactur you can recommend? |
| 15:06.35 | kismet | hi Leute, auch deutschsprachige hier? |
| 15:06.50 | sepski | !de |
| 15:06.50 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 15:07.04 | n_1x0_n | =] |
| 15:07.04 | kismet | thx |
| 15:07.11 | sepski | !thx |
| 15:07.11 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 15:07.31 | kismet | thanks :P |
| 15:07.36 | sepski | :) |
| 15:07.50 | kismet | join /debian.de |
| 15:07.51 | jelly-home | sepski: THX was next generation a long time ago |
| 15:07.52 | solemnwarning | ktnxbai |
| 15:07.53 | kismet | bähhh |
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| 15:10.48 | blinx | !touchscreen |
| 15:10.48 | dpkg | i heard usbtouchscreen is some touch screen devices are supported by the 'usbtouchscreen' module. Support for the 'Gunze AHL61' was added in kernel 2.6.19, you'll need to upgrade your kernel if using Etch. |
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| 15:11.12 | dbmoodb | oi what is going on with the latest security update for the kernel ? |
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| 15:11.41 | dbmoodb | like is there one - i just got a softare thingy saying there is but i can't find a security announcement - anyone know if it is just my install ? |
| 15:12.27 | maddash | security announcements are for wusses |
| 15:12.30 | abrotman | dbmoodb: i got an email |
| 15:12.36 | dbmoodb | yeah what is the problem ? |
| 15:12.46 | dbmoodb | the thing isn't up on the debian site yet |
| 15:12.56 | abrotman | maybe the web designer is sleeping ? |
| 15:13.27 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 15:13.34 | dbmoodb | tis open source lol |
| 15:13.40 | dbmoodb | ah drat it's not a wiki ... |
| 15:13.40 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2007/msg00159.html |
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| 15:14.11 | abrotman | dbmoodb: read the whole announcment |
| 15:14.15 | dbmoodb | sure |
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| 15:15.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | when i run it like: tightvncserver :3 -geometry 1280x1024 -depth 32 it works fine, but when i try: tightvncserver :3 -inetd -query localhost -once -geometry 1280x1024 -depth 32, it complains about a wrong font path |
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| 15:15.49 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 15:15.57 | abrotman | dbmoodb: does it make sense ? |
| 15:16.11 | DJ-Marcuzz | im having trouble with tightvnc |
| 15:16.18 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 15:16.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | sorry mist the first line :P |
| 15:16.49 | dbmoodb | just a question how can i apply kernel update without rebooting is there an offical method to follow ? |
| 15:16.54 | abrotman | you can't |
| 15:17.13 | abrotman | well ... you can .. if your kernel has that ability, and I don't think the debian kernels do |
| 15:17.41 | dbmoodb | oh really |
| 15:17.47 | dbmoodb | !kernel update |
| 15:17.56 | dbmoodb | !kernel |
| 15:17.57 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.1, snapshot: 2.6.23-git3, 2.4: 2.4.35.3, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-mm1 |
| 15:18.01 | dbmoodb | !update |
| 15:18.01 | dpkg | it has been said that update is dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 15:18.10 | slakmagik | Still wrestling. `manpath -c` showed something incoherent but when I copied in /etc/manpath.config to ~/.manpath it got a little more coherent. /var/cache/man is in the path but I still get 'Reformatting foo, please wait...'. If I add the catdir to my *man*path, it works. :p |
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| 15:18.31 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone help me out with tightvnc? |
| 15:18.55 | masus | hi all , cant login with root passwd , i can login via normal user , how to fix the root passwd |
| 15:18.59 | masus | or how to reset |
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| 15:19.12 | dbmoodb | oh ah reboot and change the grub init to point to /sbin/bas |
| 15:19.18 | dbmoodb | bash |
| 15:19.25 | dbmoodb | * or /bin/sh |
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| 15:19.50 | masus | dbmoodb: u say to me ? |
| 15:20.17 | Azar | masus: and why can't you use root password? |
| 15:20.20 | dbmoodb | yeah |
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| 15:20.53 | masus | ok thanks i'll try |
| 15:20.55 | dbmoodb | Azar if he was trying to break into a comp - he has physical access it's over |
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| 15:22.15 | Azar | dbmoodb: I just wonder why can't he use root password... |
| 15:22.22 | Bladerunner05 | I have to install dom0 on a partition and the other vps on a lvm is good? |
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| 15:23.03 | Azar | what if grub is passworded too, dbmoodb ? |
| 15:23.06 | Azar | :) |
| 15:23.13 | cast | ahh. question time! will the nvidia driver work in dom0? |
| 15:23.13 | dbmoodb | well then it's not his computer |
| 15:23.21 | dbmoodb | and we will not help him any further |
| 15:23.40 | dbmoodb | but again - he has root - harddisk can get formated |
| 15:23.48 | kritzstapf | where does apt-get source extract the source? |
| 15:24.01 | abrotman | kritzstapf: your CWD |
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| 15:24.23 | Azar | dbmoodb: can he do it in a rescue mode? |
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| 15:24.38 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 15:24.44 | Azar | ... n/m |
| 15:24.47 | dbmoodb | not if he has a grub password ...? |
| 15:24.49 | Azar | good morning mister abrotman |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:24.55 | dbmoodb | or are you suggesting you will get around it ? |
| 15:25.07 | dbmoodb | well i would just use a livecd then |
| 15:25.12 | kritzstapf | abrotman: ah thansks |
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| 15:25.22 | Azar | if he does not have a grub pass, and he is not at his pc, yes |
| 15:25.50 | Azar | unless you password bios |
| 15:26.09 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:26.23 | trpr | its pointless. would have to physically lock the case to prevent the bios from being reset |
| 15:26.35 | trpr | thats where the bolt cutters come in |
| 15:26.45 | Azar | oh nice |
| 15:27.14 | dbmoodb | well no |
| 15:27.16 | Azar | I know a better choice: swappable, mobile HD |
| 15:27.17 | maher | is there some way of listening on a pipe and splitting off a new file every EOF? |
| 15:27.26 | dbmoodb | trpr - some dell laptops have bios passwords that are hard to remove |
| 15:27.32 | AnyFile | What package do I need to have installed to correctly see unicode characters? I have several packages installed but for instance on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet#Diacritics I can see most of "strange" characters but not all |
| 15:27.54 | Azar | you just slide the HD out, and hide it |
| 15:28.00 | Azar | :) |
| 15:28.09 | Azar | now boot my pants |
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| 15:28.15 | dbmoodb | lol i know |
| 15:28.19 | wols_ | AnyFile: you need a font that has those characters |
| 15:28.42 | wols_ | debian is set to use utf8 by default.if yours isn't: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 15:31.10 | dacs | good morning guys |
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| 15:32.08 | gkiagia | does anyone have any clue why keyboard repeat suddenly stopped working? what could cause that? |
| 15:32.31 | s4xxon | i am trying to do a fsck on my root partition but somehow i am not managing to do that. i did boot now with a live knoppix cd and did fsck /dev/hdc1 which is the root partition. it is telling me /dev/hdc1: clean, 121705/4038944 files, 3569930/8064622 blocks (check in 2 mounts) . but i get this output after 1 second , like it wouldnt check it |
| 15:32.47 | dacs | i have setup a debian server with apache+mysql+phpmyadmin. all works great, but now i want to upload file to and from my server, i want to use FTP any suggistion on how to do that please? |
| 15:33.13 | dbmoodb | ftp ? why ftp - use sftp |
| 15:33.16 | dacs | gkiagia: i think to fix it use dmesg |
| 15:33.32 | gkiagia | dacs: I tried |
| 15:33.41 | dacs | gkiagia: i forgot the whole command but it's dmesg - something |
| 15:33.44 | gkiagia | dacs: dmesg shows nothing related |
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| 15:34.23 | dacs | gkiagia: it as if say dmesg don't show me errors |
| 15:34.58 | AnyFile | How can I know if I use utf8 ? If I do "locale -a" I can see many of them including en_US.utf8 but others too. How can I know what locale is currently used? |
| 15:35.02 | maher | s4xxon: did you try -f |
| 15:35.19 | dacs | hi maher |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | AnyFile: echo $LANG |
| 15:35.56 | dacs | any suggestion on using FTP server in my site |
| 15:36.13 | dacs | hi abrotman how are you doing |
| 15:36.13 | dpkg | dacs: you know how it is... |
| 15:36.32 | AnyFile | abrotman, echo $LAng give me en_US what does that mean? |
| 15:36.49 | abrotman | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:36.51 | dacs | fine then abrotman i will not ask about you any more hahaha |
| 15:36.51 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 15:36.57 | abrotman | dacs: ? |
| 15:37.10 | dacs | abrotman: ^^ |
| 15:37.13 | moope1 | Where is the routing file? |
| 15:37.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:37.19 | dacs | hahah |
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| 15:39.16 | moope1 | When you install debian there is an option to pick different repositories...ftp.uk.debian.org doesnt seem to be working, how do I pick another? |
| 15:39.52 | theatro | you edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:40.26 | theatro | for the how, consult online documentation |
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| 15:40.54 | moope1 | theatro, yeah, I know that bit |
| 15:41.09 | moope1 | but where is the list of servers? |
| 15:41.22 | Cripps | good morning. I'm running Lenny on an aceer 5610 (uname -r = 2.6.21-2-686), I have an Intel 82810G (ICH 7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02), and I'm trying to get my microphone working with ekiga. It appears as though I'm having an issue with getting full duplex sound. I can hear myself through my speakers when I turn up my mic volume and mic boost in alsamixer, but using a program like recordmydeskto |
| 15:41.22 | Cripps | p or ekiga, they get no input from my mic. Has anybody had this problem, or does anybody know where I might start lookiong for a solution? |
| 15:41.55 | moope1 | !repository |
| 15:41.56 | dpkg | methinks debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 15:42.02 | dacs | abrotman: can you answer my question if you have a min |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | which ? |
| 15:42.32 | abrotman | moope1: debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 15:42.33 | dacs | abrotman: the FTP |
| 15:42.42 | abrotman | dacs: don't use ftp |
| 15:43.20 | AnyFile | Which font should I install to have a good unicode font support? (I need just European/American fonts, no need of Arabic or Chinese, but I would like to see things like phonetics characters and hypens, that currently sometime I see and sometime not) |
| 15:43.35 | dacs | abrotman: what do you suggest to use to transfare file from my windows to debian server |
| 15:43.45 | abrotman | sftp or scp |
| 15:43.57 | dacs | !sftp |
| 15:43.57 | dpkg | from memory, sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 15:44.00 | maher | i have a process which dumps output to file, but periodically overwrites it - i sthere some way I can pipe it to something which splits off a new file every eof? |
| 15:44.04 | moope1 | abrotman ta |
| 15:44.06 | n_1x0_n | dacs: try winscp it's freeware and it uses ssh connection |
| 15:44.26 | AnyFile | on the windows side you can use putty for that, dacs |
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| 15:45.10 | abrotman | filezilla is pretty braindead |
| 15:45.12 | dacs | abrotman: n_1x0_n : this is for the windows box side, what about debian side don't i need to install something that will let me communicate |
| 15:45.20 | dbmoodb | !wtf |
| 15:45.35 | abrotman | dacs: you have an ssh server .. you can use filezilla on windows to connect |
| 15:45.40 | dbmoodb | wtf wtf |
| 15:46.12 | dacs | abrotman: i tried and it's not working |
| 15:46.18 | maher | dacs: putty has an scp client, or use winscp or something |
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| 15:46.20 | n_1x0_n | dacs: I assume that you have ssh.. if not then just apt-get it :-) |
| 15:46.43 | abrotman | dacs: then you did it wrong |
| 15:46.55 | dbmoodb | !meow |
| 15:47.03 | dacs | abrotman: i can use putty , putty works fine but i can't get filezilla to work |
| 15:47.25 | abrotman | dacs: you're using the wrong connection option |
| 15:47.29 | dacs | dbmoodb: are you from cali |
| 15:47.32 | dbmoodb | ?? no |
| 15:47.37 | dbmoodb | check my whois |
| 15:47.40 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 15:47.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:48.01 | abrotman | dbmoodb: stop already |
| 15:48.05 | dacs | dbmoodb: jk...becasue you meow alot |
| 15:48.07 | dacs | hahaa |
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| 15:48.25 | dbmoodb | sorry |
| 15:48.32 | abrotman | dacs: i believe the option is like sftp over ssh2 or something like that |
| 15:48.34 | dbmoodb | just testing - should do it in a private thing |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | duh |
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| 15:50.33 | dacs | abrotman: i am using sftp option i get fatal: Unable to authenticate |
| 15:50.34 | is-lu-is | hi |
| 15:50.42 | dacs | 1 sec let me check something |
| 15:50.47 | abrotman | dacs: use the one over ssh |
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| 15:54.58 | s4xxon | did anyone report here about ksoftirqd ? it uses 30% of my cpu all the time and i dont know how to fix that |
| 15:55.06 | dacs | abrotman: i got it to work with sftp |
| 15:55.12 | dacs | thanks |
| 15:55.23 | rudenstam | I got a problem with a hard drive, I got sata_promise included in kernel and my card shows up in dmesg, the disk that's connected does not thoug, all 4 channels are printed as link down.. tried different cables and different ports, no luck.. any tips ? |
| 15:55.25 | s4xxon | i dont know if this is related with the problem that my system freezes on boot on this line http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=4226 |
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| 15:56.04 | aguaithefreak | eh..anyone knows how I can stop acpid to keep report events on TTY? |
| 15:56.11 | aguaithefreak | its just like when I am editing something on vim and the messenge just interrupt the hole screen.... |
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| 16:00.19 | jeffwheeler | I guess I installed the Flash player a long time ago through Iceweasel's automated installation of plugins, but now I can't seem to figure out how to remove it. There's no associated package for it, and I don't think I can do it through IW (although I now use Epiphany, and don't even have IW installed). |
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| 16:00.55 | jeffwheeler | Is there any way to get rid of it? |
| 16:01.40 | piko | Hi, I think my debian repository database is broken (seems not to do anything while reporting setting of the last package). Is there any tool to check/repair it? |
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| 16:02.34 | maher | jeffwheeler: can you see it in about:plugins? if there is no option to remove it there look in ~/.mozilla for the plugins directory and delete it |
| 16:02.54 | wols_ | piko: /msg dpkg bat |
| 16:03.10 | maher | jeffwheeler: just the flash plugin, not the whole plugins directory... |
| 16:03.17 | piko | wols_, sorry no response for me |
| 16:03.29 | piko | oh, now |
| 16:04.42 | jeffwheeler | maher: oh, didn't know about that, and just found it from Gooling too -- that should help a lot, thanks |
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| 16:05.37 | s4xxon | what would be the command to make a kde-base installation on setup? i got a debian-kde-dvd.iso and when install it adds all the small unwanted applications |
| 16:05.57 | wols_ | !install kde |
| 16:05.57 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 16:06.19 | wols_ | s4xxon: don't isntall anything on installation but do it afterwards with aptitude |
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| 16:06.57 | jeffwheeler | (I wonder why there's a .DS_store file in the plugins directory -- that's a Mac file.) |
| 16:07.08 | s4xxon | well with that i must to know what packages i need for kde to run in the end |
| 16:07.22 | s4xxon | or all i need to log onto kde is kde-base and kdm ? |
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| 16:08.12 | piko | wols_, well the problem is not in the output, there are no errors, it just somehow not finishes ending with setting up the last package whatever it is |
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| 16:12.49 | piko | really it just stucks |
| 16:13.09 | wols_ | you don't give us a proper problem description: we don't give an answer. fair trade it seems to me. HAND |
| 16:13.11 | piko | CPU is on 3%, disk operations 180B |
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| 16:14.15 | empiric | hi all |
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| 16:14.43 | empiric | i want to make a report on my servers health check what parameters should i check to say my server is good |
| 16:14.48 | empiric | any idea |
| 16:14.59 | piko | Wolfete, I know, but I do not know what do describe. The ONLY problem is that is does no t finish. No error message, that is why I ask if there is some debian database checking problem. |
| 16:15.08 | piko | Wolfete, sorry it was to wols_ |
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| 16:15.39 | Asad2005 | I want to rsync root partition what folder should i exclude |
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| 16:16.28 | wols_ | run ps aux when it does that |
| 16:17.10 | wols_ | empiric: connectivity, load, memory usage, temps, fanspeeds, disk usage, etc |
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| 16:18.20 | empiric | so u are saying top |
| 16:18.20 | piko | wols_, ok |
| 16:18.25 | empiric | wols |
| 16:18.38 | empiric | wols :connectiity means |
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| 16:18.53 | wols_ | network connectivity |
| 16:19.34 | valdyn | Asad2005: why exclude any folder? |
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| 16:20.00 | valdyn | Asad2005: just use -x ( see manpage ) |
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| 16:21.40 | empiric | wosl where i find fanspeed |
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| 16:21.50 | empiric | n what is temps |
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| 16:22.09 | valdyn | !n |
| 16:22.09 | dpkg | n is probably a nitrogen atom, or 420, or {1,2,3,....} |
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| 16:23.06 | piko | oh, seems that I have worse problem than I thought, ps ends no more, htop does not start at all |
| 16:23.10 | maher | how do i get ls to tell me the file size in bytes, but no other info? |
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| 16:23.22 | valdyn | piko: reboot |
| 16:23.31 | Xenguy | Hi - I would like to clarify the legal status of 'w32codecs'. I just read someone state that "w32codecs (this is completely illegal everywhere, as it is direct copys of the |
| 16:23.34 | Xenguy | actual code written by Real, MS, etc.)" |
| 16:23.41 | Xenguy | Is this true? |
| 16:23.46 | empiric | wols is there any software with GUI |
| 16:23.52 | empiric | to see all thses info |
| 16:23.54 | valdyn | Xenguy: no |
| 16:23.54 | piko | ok, hear you |
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| 16:24.07 | valdyn | Xenguy: it depends on the license on each codec |
| 16:24.23 | valdyn | Xenguy: im sure that at least not all of them are illegal to distribute |
| 16:24.30 | valdyn | Xenguy: probably none are |
| 16:24.52 | Xenguy | valdyn: thanks, I now have plausible deniability :-) |
| 16:25.00 | valdyn | Xenguy: no, ianal |
| 16:25.07 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 16:25.28 | maher | Xenguy: if you own a copy of windows you probably "own" copies of the codecs anyway |
| 16:25.49 | Xenguy | valdyn: still, I will try to research this further, as it seems somewhat important |
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| 16:26.10 | valdyn | Xenguy: i don't know, i get along just fine without using any of those codecs |
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| 16:26.29 | Xenguy | maher: I don't :-) |
| 16:26.44 | maher | Xenguy: have you ever bought a computer with windows on it? |
| 16:26.47 | Xenguy | valdyn: oh, I didn't realize they were not necessary to view certain formats |
| 16:27.10 | Xenguy | maher: a very long time ago, yes |
| 16:27.14 | valdyn | Xenguy: those formats might still exist, but im not having any issues lately |
| 16:27.26 | Asad2005 | valdyn, It says -x, --one-file-system don’t cross filesystem boundaries. what does it mean ? |
| 16:27.37 | maher | Xenguy: then you own whatever codecs originally came with that copy of windows |
| 16:27.38 | valdyn | Asad2005: do you understand what a filesystem is? |
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| 16:28.01 | Xenguy | maher: if you are right, then I feel better now ;-) |
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| 16:28.40 | Asad2005 | valdyn, to a certain extenet yes, I am not an expert |
| 16:29.05 | valdyn | Asad2005: ok, then from the basics: your partition sda1 contains a filesystem, which you may have mounted on / |
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| 16:29.24 | Asad2005 | valdyn, my aim is not rsync virtual folders |
| 16:29.31 | valdyn | Asad2005: that's what you would 'wrongly' call root partition, its really the root filesystem that is on a specific partition |
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| 16:29.53 | valdyn | Asad2005: virtual folders means what for you? |
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| 16:30.28 | maher | ok - i want to print out the size of a file in bytes - do i really have to mung ls -l? |
| 16:30.31 | valdyn | Asad2005: /proc usually contains another filesystem, that's 'procfs' or just 'proc' |
| 16:31.07 | valdyn | Asad2005: now rsync -x / would backup everything on /, but not /proc contents because that's a different filesystem, also not /sys contents because that's another filesystem |
| 16:31.20 | Asad2005 | valdyn, so you mean anything that is not saved when you power off will not be rsynced if -x is included |
| 16:31.39 | valdyn | Asad2005: no |
| 16:31.43 | valdyn | Asad2005: that's wrong |
| 16:32.01 | valdyn | Asad2005: if you have a seperate filesystem for /home , that would be excluded too |
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| 16:32.09 | valdyn | Asad2005: the 'df' program lists different filesystems btw |
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| 16:34.06 | valdyn | Asad2005: i still don't know what you call 'virtual folder' btw. Maybe you meant the virtual filesystems in /proc/ and /sys/ and /dev/ |
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| 16:35.01 | Asad2005 | valdyn, yes but maybe dont really know all of them |
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| 16:35.54 | acu | hey guys - why there are no weekly news anymore at debian.org ? |
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| 16:35.59 | valdyn | Asad2005: only /proc and /sys are usually virtual filesystems, /dev and /dev/shm are 'real' filesystems, just residing on a ramdisk |
| 16:36.12 | acu | It is almost like the site is dead |
| 16:36.36 | valdyn | Asad2005: 'df -a' lists all |
| 16:36.39 | maher | acu: people got bored writing it - i think planet debian has to some extent taken over its audience |
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| 16:37.17 | Asad2005 | valdyn, so if i rsynced with -x and then format my root file system and restored it back with rsync will /sys /proc .. etc will be created upon reboot |
| 16:37.32 | acu | OK, to my shame I do not go to planet debian - I am going to do a google on it |
| 16:37.34 | valdyn | Asad2005: yes |
| 16:37.38 | valdyn | Asad2005: but its not that easy |
| 16:37.47 | valdyn | Asad2005: do not try to do that, it won't work |
| 16:38.05 | valdyn | Asad2005: if you want to backup your system, use mondo |
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| 16:38.30 | valdyn | Asad2005: and reserve rsync for backups of your own data |
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| 16:39.15 | valdyn | Asad2005: for instance, you root filesystem has a /dev/ with contents, that is just invisible because udev is mounted in /dev/ |
| 16:39.44 | acu | however, for the proeminence and importance of Debian - not to have a proper Frontend is somehow a drawback |
| 16:39.44 | valdyn | Asad2005: now on a running system your root filesystems /dev is in /dev/.static/dev |
| 16:39.54 | valdyn | Asad2005: so its a little more complicated than just doing an rsync |
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| 16:40.04 | Asad2005 | valdyn, i will see mondo man page |
| 16:40.46 | valdyn | Asad2005: alright, its pretty just easy, just run 'mondoarchive' and navigate its interface |
| 16:41.01 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 16:41.01 | dpkg | from memory, mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
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| 16:41.13 | lukas__ | valdyn: ok, thanks some system instability was the problem |
| 16:41.25 | sobersabre | hi I have XFS question. all guys at #xfs are asleep, maybe here somebody knows. |
| 16:41.30 | valdyn | lukas__: 'instability' ? |
| 16:41.48 | valdyn | lukas__: i get this when my filesystems break down |
| 16:41.50 | sobersabre | I want to use the xfs 'project' quota. Is it enabled in linux ? |
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| 16:41.59 | Asad2005 | valdyn, thanks for all of the info |
| 16:42.04 | lukas__ | valdyn: after reboot it works, I will check them all |
| 16:42.14 | lukas__ | but I suspect v4l drivers |
| 16:42.24 | lukas__ | as those are pretty new |
| 16:42.25 | valdyn | lukas__: i.e. when playing with reiser4 and it crashed |
| 16:42.49 | lukas__ | valdyn: it was regularly checked two days ago |
| 16:42.52 | valdyn | lukas__: doesn't mean any data has to be lost though, just might |
| 16:42.53 | lukas__ | ext3 |
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| 16:43.12 | a_senna | hi |
| 16:43.20 | valdyn | lukas__: or faulty disks |
| 16:43.25 | a_senna | i need help, but my grammar is some bad, u can halp me? |
| 16:43.44 | a_senna | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.53 | lukas__ | valdyn: brand new computer, ok, maybe, so perhaps fsck, memcheck ... |
| 16:43.56 | valdyn | a_senna: then don't |
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| 16:44.18 | valdyn | lukas__: a kernel bug can make any h/w look broken too |
| 16:44.26 | valdyn | lukas__: same effect on the running system. |
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| 16:46.01 | a_senna | valdyn, my grammar is some bad, because i'm learning english 1 month ago |
| 16:46.10 | a_senna | i'm venezuelan |
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| 16:47.12 | moope1 | I wonder how hot I can run my athlon |
| 16:47.37 | moope1 | 49 degrees |
| 16:47.41 | moope1 | 50 degrees |
| 16:47.50 | widrone | Melting hot? No-good-anymore hot? |
| 16:47.53 | a_senna | C o F ? |
| 16:48.05 | moope1 | I just want a quiet PC |
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| 16:48.24 | moope1 | 56 degrees :/ |
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| 16:49.12 | widrone | moope1: Running without active cooling on that athlon? |
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| 16:50.23 | a_senna | yeap, u need to active cooling fan in the BIOS |
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| 16:52.04 | piko | Oh, that was fast. I think I should see hat is wrong with hw. |
| 16:52.56 | moope1 | widrone oh yeah, it wont boot without the fan plugged in |
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| 16:56.02 | xand | I replaced the "ati" driver for "fglrx" in my xorg.conf and now wine games won't do widescreen resolutions anymore... is this normal? |
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| 17:01.16 | vader | ok umm a little bit of a panic here |
| 17:01.25 | vader | my system is randomlly shutting down |
| 17:01.33 | vader | and i checked wtmp |
| 17:01.37 | moope1 | !usb |
| 17:01.37 | dpkg | i guess usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 17:01.41 | vader | and i found a 'crashed' even |
| 17:01.41 | vader | t |
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| 17:02.06 | moope1 | !usbdisk |
| 17:02.47 | vader | im not sure where else to go to find more info |
| 17:03.15 | moope1 | Uhm, where do I find info about mounting a usb disk? |
| 17:03.45 | streuner | !usb_storage |
| 17:03.45 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 17:04.46 | moope1 | hmm, how do I load a module :) |
| 17:05.01 | streuner | man modprobe |
| 17:05.27 | vader | anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:05.38 | keith80403 | vader, does the system crash when you plug in a USB device? |
| 17:05.52 | moope1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.10 | streuner | moope1: np |
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| 17:08.42 | moope1 | how do I scan what file system a partition is? |
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| 17:08.50 | streuner | vader: check out /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages |
| 17:09.09 | keith80403 | vader, if it's a clean shutdown, one possibility is a power supply problem. Check to see that the fans are running, if it's a desktop unit. One of my machines was shutting down randomly because the power supply was overheating due to the fan not running. |
| 17:09.44 | streuner | moope1: you mount the partition and just run "mount" |
| 17:10.01 | moope1 | streuner Its not in vfat |
| 17:10.21 | moope1 | I got it anyway, ext3 |
| 17:10.27 | streuner | moope1: well, if the kernel supports that FS, it will show you then |
| 17:10.28 | ehc | I have one term installing a package through apt-get, I have another term with another apt-get command, is there a way to make the second command start when the first finishes (easily)? |
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| 17:10.59 | streuner | vader: most likely the powersupply |
| 17:11.17 | moope1 | ehc: command1; command2; command3 |
| 17:11.43 | streuner | vader: thats not a laptop? |
| 17:11.47 | ehc | moope1, what if one is already running? |
| 17:12.43 | streuner | vader: if you cannot find something in the logs, just install lm-sensors and look at there values |
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| 17:13.01 | ehc | moope1, okay I will just use command1; command2 thank you |
| 17:13.03 | moope1 | you could check the pid of the running process you want to follow and write a script that notices when it finishes |
| 17:13.24 | moope1 | but that would be very dull |
| 17:13.54 | moope1 | you would be better watching england smash france in the rugby in about an hour and 45 mins :) |
| 17:14.21 | streuner | or .ie vs. .de :-) |
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| 17:15.21 | moope1 | :) he, they should both be good games |
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| 17:15.26 | fuzzy_logic | hi people |
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| 17:15.39 | Odd_Bloke | Hey guys, I want to set up an apt cache on my laptop as campus internet is much faster than my home network. Is there any way I can set my desktop to attempt to use the cache but fall-over to using a standard Debian mirror? |
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| 17:17.04 | empiric | hey any one works on heimdal |
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| 17:17.46 | fuzzy_logic | i can't get my mail working with exim4+courier-imap+courier-imap-ssl, can anyone help me? |
| 17:19.02 | abrotman | Odd_Bloke: the way most of them work is to check the cache and then grab from the mirror if needed |
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| 17:19.42 | setuid | Anyone know when grub will support booting to SCSI devices? (SATA drives) Seems that the latest grub shipping with the latest Debian Stable, does not boot to /dev/sda |
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| 17:22.58 | Supaplex | setuid: works fine on my amd64 box. |
| 17:23.50 | Odd_Bloke | abrotman: My issue is that the server may not be available. I want the clients to fallover if the server isn't there. |
| 17:24.29 | abrotman | that i'm not sure about |
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| 17:27.22 | setuid | Supaplex, Not on mine... AMD64 machine, base netinst iso image, nothing fancy. Created /boot/ as ext3, / as xfs, and some swap. Put grub on the MBR of /dev/sda1, rebooted after the install was complete, and I get "GRUB loading, please wait... Error 22" |
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| 17:28.25 | empiric | hey how can i see my debain machne fan speed |
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| 17:29.06 | sam_home | which package creates the 'Debian' menu in gnome menu entries? |
| 17:29.24 | stew | sam_home: menu |
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| 17:30.12 | sam_home | thanks |
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| 17:32.00 | streuner | empiric: sensors |
| 17:32.10 | abrotman | the Debian menu is gone in lenny/sid |
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| 17:32.36 | empiric | where |
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| 17:32.43 | empiric | the path |
| 17:32.47 | empiric | /proc/? |
| 17:32.54 | moope1 | anyone have a good howto to configure debian as a gateway? I have just set up debian as a client for our new cable connection and I would like everyone on the existing adsl wireless network to use it. |
| 17:33.11 | streuner | empiric: /usr/bin/sensors |
| 17:33.53 | empiric | no i cant fine |
| 17:33.54 | sepski | moope1, install shorewall and use the 2 interface example config included |
| 17:33.55 | empiric | find |
| 17:34.04 | streuner | !installit |
| 17:34.04 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 17:35.21 | wols_ | moope1: aptitude install ipmasq dnsmasq |
| 17:35.41 | Hoxzer | :O |
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| 17:36.19 | setuid | Supaplex, No luck... I'm still googling for solutions |
| 17:36.31 | empiric | streuner: /usr/bin/sensors is not there |
| 17:36.36 | Supaplex | !tell setuid -about bts |
| 17:36.40 | Supaplex | !tell setuid -about reportbug |
| 17:36.49 | marinosi | hello..does anybody know if nvidia driver will be added in amd64 repos? |
| 17:36.52 | streuner | empiric: read what the bot (dpkg) told you |
| 17:37.00 | Supaplex | !tell empiric -about apt-find |
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| 17:37.20 | setuid | sigh |
| 17:37.30 | setuid | I'll dd the drive guts away to blow the mbr out |
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| 17:37.53 | Yggdrasil | hello, i made a mistake when i did a dist upgrade and now the laptop wont load any devices because it switched up to udev |
| 17:38.02 | Yggdrasil | but udev needs a kernel > 2.16 |
| 17:38.14 | Yggdrasil | can i put the 2.16 .deb file on a cd and dpkg it in there ? |
| 17:38.20 | Yggdrasil | basicly ihave no devices |
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| 17:46.10 | hyksos | hi, how can i download with apt the source from testing or unstable ? |
| 17:46.16 | marinosi | does anybody know if nvidia driver will be added in amd64 repos? |
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| 17:46.56 | hyksos | marinosi :i dont think so, or in theses non-free |
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| 17:49.24 | loizos | is anyone online? |
| 17:49.30 | L0cKn | .. |
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| 17:49.40 | widrone | loizos: Im betting there is atleast two online. |
| 17:49.46 | hyksos | i tried -t unstable but that doesnt work, do i need to add the unstable sourrces too |
| 17:50.23 | sam_home | hi after doing apt-get --purge remove menu I still have the debian menu appear in gnome. how can i get rid of it please? |
| 17:50.32 | loizos | do you know any good hacking programme? |
| 17:50.50 | hyksos | sam_home :ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 17:50.58 | widrone | loizos: linux kernel is one I can recomend hacking at, its nice. |
| 17:51.09 | sam_home | hyksos, i tried that |
| 17:51.19 | streuner | Buglouse: turn that off, please. |
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| 17:51.46 | loizos | vidrone:where can i download it from? |
| 17:52.03 | someduuuude | whats the optimal size for the partition mounted to "/" ? |
| 17:52.09 | streuner | loizos: go away |
| 17:52.10 | abrotman | loizos: do you have a debian question ? |
| 17:52.17 | hyksos | someduuuude : 10000TB |
| 17:52.18 | loizos | no |
| 17:52.19 | abrotman | !tell Buglouse about away |
| 17:52.25 | abrotman | loizos: this channel is for debian support |
| 17:52.36 | someduuuude | hyksos, cool thanks |
| 17:52.37 | loizos | ok sorry |
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| 17:52.46 | someduuuude | and a 2 gig swap drive? |
| 17:52.48 | someduuuude | :-P |
| 17:52.52 | hyksos | someduuuude :then you must shrink your partition :) |
| 17:53.18 | sam_home | hyksos, any other ideas? |
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| 17:53.26 | someduuuude | hyksos: nah i just backed up my window files and formatting the entire disk :-P |
| 17:53.30 | someduuuude | just making sure.. |
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| 17:53.49 | someduuuude | 10-gig / ,2 gig swap and rest /home |
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| 17:53.54 | hyksos | sam_home : no , reboot |
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| 17:56.05 | qmr | recommendation for free groupware? |
| 17:56.18 | wad | I have a debian question: I installed mediawiki with apt-get install a while back. Now I'd like to add an extension to that program, but it doesn't work on the old version I have (I have 1.7, it need 1.8). Do I need to manually upgrade, or is there a way to have debian upgrade it for me? If I manually do it, will that mess up Debian's upgrading magic? |
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| 17:57.43 | abrotman | wad: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:57.58 | wad | ok |
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| 17:59.55 | sam_home | anyone know how i can get rid of the debian menu please? |
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| 18:00.28 | grub_ | hi, i am getting this error /var/cache/apt/archives/shared-mime-info_0.22-2_i386.deb |
| 18:00.28 | grub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.05 | wols_ | grub_: that is not an error |
| 18:01.13 | wols_ | that's a filename. please try again |
| 18:01.59 | grub_ | wols_, oops it followed this Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:02.04 | xingu | and etch->lenny isn't an upgrade, it's a tango across a punji pit |
| 18:02.07 | grub_ | and then that filename |
| 18:02.18 | grub_ | a couple of other files too |
| 18:02.36 | piko | valdyn: after one hour of work in Xfce, it seems to me that the problem was in KDE but logs say nothing |
| 18:02.38 | wols_ | grub_: it's still no error description |
| 18:02.41 | wols_ | !tell grub_ about bat |
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| 18:05.04 | grub_ | wols_, http://rafb.net/p/9Q9t7g93.html |
| 18:05.47 | sam_home | anyone suggest why the debian menu appears on mys system after --purge remove menu?? |
| 18:06.13 | wols_ | grub_: where is your http://rafb.net/p/9Q9t7g93.html |
| 18:06.20 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.00 | grub_ | wols_, i havent got anything from elsewhere, i just installed etch from the netinst cd a few days ago, and just did the upgrade to lenny today |
| 18:07.09 | grub_ | so i wonder whats causing the trouble |
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| 18:08.40 | grub_ | wols_, isnt the default kernel for lenny 2.6.22? |
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| 18:09.40 | ManuP | i can not change the partitions on my HD during installation. it is a single hd with a ntfs partition. it simply occurs the error, that the installation program is unable. |
| 18:10.13 | ManuP | i need to smallen the ntfs partition because it is the notebook of my company and i need the win stuff. |
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| 18:14.08 | solemnwarning | Whenever I save to a cifs filesystem in openoffice it seems to save file although I get the error "Could not create backup copy" |
| 18:14.14 | solemnwarning | Anyone know what that's about? |
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| 18:14.53 | grub_ | wols_, any hints? |
| 18:14.59 | widrone | solemnwarning: Where does oo want to save this backup copy? |
| 18:15.34 | widrone | solemnwarning: Maybe you are unable to write this file with the permissions it wants and spews error about it to be helpfull. |
| 18:16.13 | solemnwarning | I've got write permissions on the file and directory it's in, no clue where it wants to put the backup |
| 18:16.57 | widrone | solemnwarning: Turn off backupcopy! ;) |
| 18:17.09 | solemnwarning | It is turned off |
| 18:18.55 | solemnwarning | cifs seems buggy |
| 18:18.59 | troubled | http://picpaste.com/chan_msg_counts.jpg |
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| 18:19.02 | Yggdrasil | hello, i made a mistake when i did a dist upgrade and now the laptop wont load any devices because it switched up to udev |
| 18:19.05 | Yggdrasil | can i put the 2.16 .deb file on a cd and dpkg it in there ? |
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| 18:20.10 | solemnwarning | Why does cifs cause duplicate mounts anyway? |
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| 18:20.43 | solemnwarning | I've apparently got two samba shares mounted at the same points, 3 times |
| 18:20.44 | moope1 | how do I test my debian router Im trying to set up is routing. is there an easy way? |
| 18:20.45 | itchi | troubled: Much dumb Ubuntu users it seems :-p |
| 18:21.02 | moope1 | can I ping thru it? |
| 18:21.04 | troubled | itchi: :) |
| 18:21.18 | ma3x | is there a netscape navigator (package) for debian? |
| 18:21.26 | ma3x | or are there some licensing issues? |
| 18:21.37 | troubled | not really surprised they pulled on top, but i am surprised they are that much ahead. much be all the spam attacks :) |
| 18:22.22 | daveinthesky | ma3x: iceweasel |
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| 18:22.29 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Use a working kernel |
| 18:22.36 | ma3x | daveinthesky, that's not netscape |
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| 18:22.40 | Yggdrasil | itchi |
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| 18:22.44 | Yggdrasil | a working kernel? |
| 18:22.57 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Do not tell you removed that older working kernel heh |
| 18:22.57 | Yggdrasil | i jsut need to get somethign on there so that i can get my network up |
| 18:22.59 | Yggdrasil | no |
| 18:23.05 | Alarm | hello. i wanted to upgrade some packages, and although i have those packages in the /var/cache/apt directory, the apt-get downloads the same version again from the web . why is that ? |
| 18:23.08 | Yggdrasil | it jsut didnt upgrade the kernel on there to a newer one |
| 18:23.11 | Yggdrasil | so the old one works |
| 18:23.15 | Yggdrasil | but i cant load my net devs |
| 18:23.17 | Yggdrasil | at all |
| 18:23.22 | Yggdrasil | maybe i could manually do it ? |
| 18:23.31 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Try it out :-p |
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| 18:23.38 | Alarm | or how can i avoid that and make to download only necessery files from the web and the rest install it from my disk |
| 18:23.40 | ma3x | !netscape |
| 18:23.40 | dpkg | netscape is probably the company making Navigator (web browser) and Communicator (web, mail, news), or now owned by AOL, who are now owned by Time/Warner, or Navigator's MTBF is about 1 minute, what's your mileage?, or ask me about mozilla, or a *major* memory PIG!, or really shitty Always wait for the official Debian package. a bloated piece of shit, or netscape 3 is still the best version, or for masochists, or see netscape font problems, or use Galeon! |
| 18:23.45 | Yggdrasil | lscpi is :: amd 79c970 p |
| 18:23.54 | Yggdrasil | if i could load that and get it working it would work |
| 18:23.57 | Yggdrasil | and i could upgrade it |
| 18:24.03 | itchi | Yggdrasil: It should be not a problem to fetch the stuff on another box and put it with an USB key(or whatever) to that box |
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| 18:24.11 | Yggdrasil | mhmm thats what i was thinking |
| 18:24.11 | jeffwheeler | The developer of this, http://tinyurl.com/3y29w2, suggested that this works fine in Debian, even though the source file is generated for Ubuntu. It appears to be correct, but I'm kinda worried to add that to my sources file. |
| 18:24.22 | jeffwheeler | (by "suggested," I mean "told me") |
| 18:24.40 | itchi | jeffwheeler: IF i tell you i'm superman, do you believe it? |
| 18:24.51 | jeffwheeler | itchi: nope, and that's why I asked |
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| 18:25.04 | jeffwheeler | what in there exactly is going to be Ubuntu-specific? |
| 18:25.49 | Yggdrasil | itchi waht .deb ddo i need to dl to ket a kernel > 2.16 i386 and where can i dl it |
| 18:25.51 | Yggdrasil | i was trying to find it |
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| 18:25.57 | itchi | jeffwheeler: Did you read these comments on the page? A Debian 4.0 user tried and ... |
| 18:26.23 | techly | I run lenny and I want to install epiphany-webkit, which is only in sid. how can I install it without screwing up my system? |
| 18:26.27 | itchi | Yggdrasil: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 18:26.55 | techly | Should I just download the package and all the deps and install with dpkg? |
| 18:27.09 | jeffwheeler | techly: you probably don't want to; it's _extremely_ unstable -- scrollbars, most images, etc. don't work -- I was very excited when I first saw it, but I'm still on gecko for now |
| 18:27.16 | itchi | Yggdrasil: I may say, start with fetching the kernel, and install it, if he still complain about missing stuff, fetch that then. I dunno where you're upgrade has stopped to download/install the stuff |
| 18:27.40 | techly | jeffwheeler, that would explain why its in unstable... thanks |
| 18:27.51 | Yggdrasil | aye thanks |
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| 18:36.53 | Yggdrasil | how can i find out what ver of deb im running ? |
| 18:37.29 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Be knowing what you're doing :-p |
| 18:37.35 | Yggdrasil | he |
| 18:37.40 | Yggdrasil | and the other way |
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| 18:37.52 | itchi | Yggdrasil: cat /proc/version |
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| 18:38.04 | techly | Also, is there any working adblock in epiphany yet? |
| 18:38.11 | itchi | Yggdrasil: There's not realy way to figure that out |
| 18:38.28 | itchi | !version |
| 18:38.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 18:39.10 | Yggdrasil | i think there is |
| 18:39.14 | itchi | Yggdrasil: But you can not trust that at 100%. Especially when you mess the things up |
| 18:39.18 | Yggdrasil | mh |
| 18:39.20 | Yggdrasil | i think this is sid |
| 18:39.27 | Yggdrasil | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ |
| 18:39.31 | Yggdrasil | from here where are the kernels ? |
| 18:39.48 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Why do you search in unstable? |
| 18:39.56 | Yggdrasil | yep its sid |
| 18:40.03 | Yggdrasil | from the cat apt |
| 18:40.15 | Yggdrasil | isnt sid unstale? |
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| 18:40.26 | itchi | Yggdrasil: sid is unstable |
| 18:40.27 | alarm | hello, which is the command to reconfigure xserver ? |
| 18:40.33 | unxxx | hi someone runs debian on macbook? |
| 18:40.34 | Yggdrasil | yep |
| 18:40.35 | Yggdrasil | so |
| 18:40.37 | Yggdrasil | thats why |
| 18:40.42 | itchi | alarm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:40.48 | alarm | ok thanks |
| 18:40.56 | itchi | alarm: You want to install configure-debian to get that easy ncurse config tool |
| 18:41.08 | sam_home | anyone know how to get rid of the debian menu please? |
| 18:41.17 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | debian does not like my notebook |
| 18:41.18 | Yggdrasil | i dont see kernels there anywhere |
| 18:41.21 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | :P |
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| 18:41.24 | carlosV2 | hello |
| 18:41.30 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: I don't like you to :-p |
| 18:41.37 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: At least, not yet :-p |
| 18:41.42 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | :( |
| 18:41.51 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: Let's fix that ;-) |
| 18:42.03 | carlosV2 | i've a Canon S750. someone knows what driver can i use? |
| 18:42.17 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | I found a mighty tutorial for debian on my notebook :P |
| 18:42.20 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | hooray |
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| 18:42.45 | alarm | i get actually an error when trying to startx, the error is No valid fontpath could be found. which means ? |
| 18:42.47 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: Why do you tell that Debian does't like you laptop? |
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| 18:43.10 | itchi | alarm: These paths that is defined in your xorg config file |
| 18:43.17 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | Because |
| 18:43.22 | alarm | allright, and should be changed to what ? |
| 18:43.23 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | i install debian and cant start x |
| 18:43.24 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | :D |
| 18:43.40 | alarm | or how to find where the 'fontpath' is |
| 18:43.42 | techly | unxxx, http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 18:44.02 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: You may need to figure out why, mostly be checking your logs, that will tell you the problem and hints to fix that trouble |
| 18:44.09 | setuid | Supaplex, Partitioning with KNOPPIX outside of the installer, then booting the installer and installing on those partitions, worked. |
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| 18:44.53 | Yggdrasil | grrr |
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| 18:45.18 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | itchi: Ati Graphics..you know |
| 18:45.31 | Yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.47 | Yggdrasil | please |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | Yggdrasil: apt-cache show <pkg> .. see the Section |
| 18:47.31 | sam_home | Yggdrasil, http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image |
| 18:48.03 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 18:48.07 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: Should be not a problem, use that "vga" in awaiting to fix it, you should get a working X |
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| 18:48.18 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | i used vesa |
| 18:48.23 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | and it didnt work |
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| 18:48.38 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: Paste on a pastebin the error you get |
| 18:48.45 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | well |
| 18:48.47 | Yggdrasil | thanks guys |
| 18:48.51 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | im downloading the ati drivers atm |
| 18:48.54 | Yggdrasil | hping this will get my craptop back up |
| 18:48.55 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | and set it to fglrx |
| 18:48.57 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | hope that works |
| 18:49.12 | valdyn | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: if vesa didn't work then you did something wrong |
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| 18:49.47 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | hmm |
| 18:49.50 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | i dont think so ^^ |
| 18:49.59 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: You may check the logs, mostly these errors are very clear |
| 18:49.59 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | fresh installation |
| 18:50.05 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | it was set to ATI |
| 18:50.11 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | i changed it to vesage |
| 18:50.16 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | vesa |
| 18:50.17 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | ^^ |
| 18:50.18 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | not vesage |
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| 18:54.56 | JohnGH | Are there reasons to use aptitude and NOT to use apt-get ? - i.e. is there anything that apt-get does badly or wrong? |
| 18:55.08 | Supaplex | setuid: if you recall how it was broken, file a bug report on that item, and include the details on how you fixed it. |
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| 18:55.50 | setuid | Right |
| 18:55.54 | setuid | I'm debugging that now |
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| 18:56.31 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | :(( |
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| 18:56.33 | itchi | JohnGH: Sure there are, Debian developer's recomend to use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 18:56.34 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | x11 not running |
| 18:56.42 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | :( |
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| 18:57.00 | JohnGH | itchi: do you know of anywhere I can read about the reasons? |
| 18:57.21 | itchi | JohnGH: aptitude take trace of what depencies are installed. If you install foo, that depend on bar. Later, if you uninstall foo, bar (if not used for other packages) will be removed too |
| 18:57.37 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | itchi: X Says: Failed to lead module "fglrx", Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so |
| 18:57.41 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | load |
| 18:57.45 | stew | and apt-get does the same as of 0.7 |
| 18:57.46 | JohnGH | itchi: ah great - that's good for me, thanks |
| 18:57.57 | JohnGH | stew++ |
| 18:57.57 | itchi | JohnGH: less /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 18:58.09 | itchi | stew++ |
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| 18:58.15 | pepe_lucho | itchi: for thar orphane package, use apt-get autoremove |
| 18:58.18 | itchi | My two cents too |
| 18:58.57 | itchi | pepe_lucho: Yeah, or there is deborphan or somethings like that. But it's no ages that i use aptitude, so i don't remmeber exactly how i did it before :-p |
| 18:59.06 | itchi | now* |
| 18:59.19 | JohnGH | does synaptic do everything aptitude does? I was trying it at work on a VMWare image the other week and it seemed pretty cool - nice to use |
| 18:59.26 | pepe_lucho | apt powa!!! |
| 18:59.45 | stew | nothing has dependency resolution as good as aptitude |
| 19:00.07 | JohnGH | you know - you use apt-get for 6 years and you get kind of used to it!!! I want to change if there's something better - but I need to know the reasons :-) |
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| 19:01.49 | itchi | JohnGH: As bonus, you get a tui |
| 19:01.55 | JohnGH | stew: I thought it was groovy how aptitude offers you lots of different (scored) options for what to install :) I couldn't quite figure out why I needed options though ;) |
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| 19:02.22 | JohnGH | itchi: where I come from a tui is a bird and a beer - which one do I get? |
| 19:02.47 | Yggdrasil | hey itchi i think that might works. |
| 19:02.49 | itchi | JohnGH: Run 'aptitude' |
| 19:03.08 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Don't mess it up the next time! :-p |
| 19:03.14 | Yggdrasil | its sid man |
| 19:03.16 | Yggdrasil | not me |
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| 19:03.19 | abrotman | ravenbird: eat simmerz |
| 19:03.21 | abrotman | whoops |
| 19:03.22 | itchi | Or at least, if you want a funny game |
| 19:04.14 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Sid is for those that don't ask 'basic' questions :-p |
| 19:04.21 | JohnGH | http://www.universitysport.org.nz/wp-content/files/Image/Tui%20Logo.jpg |
| 19:04.26 | setuid | s/Sid/Unstable/ |
| 19:04.33 | Yggdrasil | itchi |
| 19:04.36 | Yggdrasil | than you |
| 19:04.48 | itchi | Yggdrasil: No problem ;-) |
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| 19:05.39 | itchi | JohnGH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(program) |
| 19:05.40 | Yggdrasil | hehe it didnt work |
| 19:05.41 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
| 19:05.42 | Yggdrasil | bbl |
| 19:05.53 | xand | grrrr, fglrx sux0r |
| 19:06.00 | xand | mythtv doesn't work either :( |
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| 19:08.31 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | itchi: xdm does not run with fgrlx,vesa or vga :/ |
| 19:08.45 | JohnGH | itchi: thanks |
| 19:08.56 | JohnGH | aptitude -vvvvvv moo |
| 19:09.00 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: Wait, i power on the cristal ball and check you're logs remotely |
| 19:09.22 | itchi | JohnGH: You are welcom |
| 19:09.23 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | anything about VBE |
| 19:09.25 | JohnGH | itchi: I didn't find the tui, but I found the elephant and the snake |
| 19:09.32 | itchi | bah, the stupid typo's :-) |
| 19:09.33 | JohnGH | like in the Little Prince |
| 19:09.37 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | itchi: set VBE mode failed |
| 19:09.42 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | with vesa |
| 19:10.23 | Dantix | hi, I'm need to know what pid has my session. To achieve that I've issued the followin command in a script: pid=ps|pidoff ps. But due a weird reason sometimes the variable pid is returned with no value, null. What should be the reason? |
| 19:11.10 | Dantix | sorry.. pid=`ps|pidoff ps` |
| 19:11.13 | phogg | Dantix: session? What? |
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| 19:11.52 | phogg | Dantix: what good does it do to capture the pid of a process that is no longer running? |
| 19:11.55 | JohnGH | Bleagh crashy IceWeasel :( |
| 19:12.30 | Dantix | phogg, so my server sometimes is running too much fast? |
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| 19:12.47 | phogg | Dantix: what? |
| 19:13.03 | simmerz | abrotman: eh? |
| 19:13.42 | abrotman | simmerz: misfire |
| 19:13.47 | simmerz | abrotman: heh |
| 19:14.27 | Dantix | I've changed the command, as a test, by pid=`sleep 1|pidof sleep` and allways works fine... but I can not found the reason because the old command from a day leave to work fine.. |
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| 19:15.47 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | itchi: i set the resolution to 1024x768 and vesa works |
| 19:15.55 | phogg | Dantix: I do not understand what you are doing. |
| 19:17.44 | Dantix | from a long time ago, I'm using pid=`ps|pidof ps` to store the pid of a script. From a day to now that started to return return null. I just want to know wht shuold be the reason... |
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| 19:18.19 | stew | Dantix: you are trying to redirect the output of ps into pidof? |
| 19:18.53 | DawnLight | cool cool cool cool! coolness alert! |
| 19:18.56 | stew | Dantix: $$ is the pid the script |
| 19:19.03 | Dantix | stew, nop, I'm obtaining the pid of ps into pid variable |
| 19:19.13 | Orion_X11 | Hi. I am running testing and now I have lots of updates and it says that I have to dist-upgrading to unstable. What do I do then? |
| 19:19.24 | xtor_ | As soon as I upgraded my desktop from the generic 686 kernel to 686-bigmem...it's speed slowed down to 1/20th of what it was before(no exagerration) with the regular 686 kernel. Any idea why this happened, and how to fix it? I wanna see more than 3.3 gigs of RAM on my bawx. BTW it works fine in 64 bit debian but I want 32 bit for flash, skype etc to work nicely... |
| 19:19.25 | DawnLight | my debian is controlling an irrigation valve!!! |
| 19:19.27 | itchi | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: If you had read the logs, i'm near sure there was a complain about the resolution |
| 19:19.37 | abrotman | xtor_: how much RAM do you have? |
| 19:19.45 | xtor_ | 6 gigs |
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| 19:19.55 | stew | Dantix: so you want to run ps, and get the pid of the ps process that you started? |
| 19:20.10 | DawnLight | everyone say "woohoo!" |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | xtor_: the tricks it uses to address that much will slow your box down .. dunno about 1/20th though |
| 19:20.51 | Dantix | stew, yes |
| 19:21.02 | stew | Dantix: ps& ; echo $! |
| 19:21.11 | simonrvn | DawnLight: WOOHOO! :). congrats |
| 19:21.15 | xtor_ | abrotman I have some sorta buggy BIOS I believe...which makes those tricks slow it down to 20X...but funny thing is it works fast in 64 bit mode..are those different tricks? |
| 19:21.21 | DawnLight | thank you, thank you |
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| 19:21.52 | abrotman | xtor_: check the BTS for similar notes perhaps |
| 19:22.11 | xtor_ | BTS? |
| 19:22.23 | DawnLight | and thanks for all the help. #debian channel folk, y'all ++ |
| 19:22.24 | Dantix | stew, I understand there are several way to do what I want. But I just looking for a reason due the script returns "sometimes" the variable null |
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| 19:22.53 | jandshog | Is there a way to force apt to reinstall and configure all of bash's deps? Something similar to portage's emerge --emptytree? |
| 19:23.14 | vampirefrog | hi. I'm having trouble installing vlc. apt-cache search vlc shows other packages, but not vlc. I'm using lenny |
| 19:23.35 | jandshog | My bash segfaults and I figure this is the easiest way to fix it. |
| 19:23.49 | DawnLight | jandshog: man dpkg. look for reinstall i think |
| 19:24.06 | stew | Dantix: piping the output of ps into pidof doens't make any sense, pidof doesn't take any input |
| 19:24.13 | jandshog | DawnLight: ok. |
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| 19:24.40 | simonrvn | !tell xtor_ -about bts |
| 19:24.46 | DawnLight | jandshog: and dpkg-reconfigure may also help |
| 19:24.59 | xtor_ | its not a debian bug, its an Intel BIOS bug |
| 19:25.27 | xtor_ | Intel BIOS/Chipset bug related to the 965gG chipset |
| 19:25.27 | Dantix | stew, but take the pid of the just running ps, isn't it? |
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| 19:26.28 | Orion_X11 | Hi. I am running testing and now I have lots of updates and it says that I have to dist-upgrading to unstable. What do I do then? Is anyone here using testing and facing this issue as well? |
| 19:27.46 | ma3x | how can I add 'make depend' option for a debian package? what exactly should i edit in debian/rules ? |
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| 19:29.48 | Dantix | thanks all! |
| 19:29.49 | alarm | when i try to startx i get the error No valid fontpath could be foud. i checked my xorg log file and i saw "the directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc (plus some other font directories) does not exist .entry deleted from the path. how can i fix that ? |
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| 19:30.06 | stew | ma3x: what do you mean by "make depend"? |
| 19:30.15 | streuner | alarm: is X installed? |
| 19:30.27 | alarm | kde-core , xserver-xorg, kdm are installed |
| 19:30.30 | DawnLight | alarm: you can "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 19:30.32 | alarm | are there other packages needed ? |
| 19:30.36 | trapsecks | ok so i just installed debian and my internet will work for about half an hour after startup and then it just stops allowing me to connect to stuff or receive connections |
| 19:30.45 | alarm | dawnlight , i did try that. didnt fix anything |
| 19:30.52 | streuner | alarm: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 19:30.58 | ma3x | stew, when I use 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us' that does ./configure and makes the package, right? how can I tell it to 'make depend' in the source tree before starting the 'make' ? |
| 19:31.07 | alarm | whats that ? i see this for the first time |
| 19:31.12 | stew | ma3x: edit debian/rules |
| 19:31.15 | DawnLight | alarm: don't start x that way. do "/etc/init.d/kdm start" |
| 19:31.16 | alarm | i mean x-window-system |
| 19:31.31 | ma3x | stew, and where exactly do I add the 'make depend' there? what line/place? |
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| 19:32.00 | alarm | dawnlight, why to do that ? i still want to fix that little problem |
| 19:32.09 | stew | ma3x: i would add it after configure |
| 19:32.49 | DawnLight | alarm: install x-window-system. xserver-xorg isn't enough |
| 19:33.17 | DawnLight | alarm: and please use aptitude. all will become clear then |
| 19:33.17 | alarm | lets see |
| 19:33.26 | ma3x | stew, here is the file, you tell me exactly where please http://paste.debian.net/39640 |
| 19:33.34 | trapsecks | ok so i just installed debian and my internet will work for about half an hour after startup and then it just stops allowing me to connect to stuff or receive connections |
| 19:33.37 | alarm | be right back |
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| 19:34.04 | holst | Hi! I am looking for kernel-headers-2.6.21-2-amd64, anyone know where I can get them? |
| 19:34.40 | xtor_ | you can get em from synaptic |
| 19:35.04 | holst | only debian cache can see them |
| 19:35.21 | holst | they were in lenny |
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| 19:36.00 | abrotman | holst: your kernel is out of date |
| 19:36.18 | holst | yes but I cannot do anything about it until Monday |
| 19:36.26 | holst | and I really need to install vmware |
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| 19:36.37 | holst | (which depends on kernel headers) |
| 19:36.38 | abrotman | snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:38.08 | holst | lol, only in debian =D |
| 19:38.28 | holst | does it store ALL changes? thats perfect. thanks very much |
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| 19:39.25 | alarm | ok x-window-system was what was missing |
| 19:40.07 | DawnLight | alarm: and aptitude |
| 19:40.14 | alarm | okie |
| 19:40.15 | DawnLight | !aptitude |
| 19:40.15 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 19:40.25 | alarm | i need to fix the ntfs mounting thing now |
| 19:40.29 | alarm | somehowi t freezes my system |
| 19:40.49 | alarm | the new kernel , the old one not at all |
| 19:40.56 | DawnLight | alarm: that thing is read only, iirc |
| 19:41.12 | DawnLight | !ntfs |
| 19:41.12 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 19:41.24 | alarm | i know how to mount an ntfs partition |
| 19:41.42 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | !aptitude-fu |
| 19:41.42 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
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| 19:45.05 | FordCortina | how do i debug an initramfs script? is there some way i can print to the console or to dmesg? |
| 19:45.09 | holst | 18% [1 linux-headers-2.6.21-2 679254/3357kB 20%] |
| 19:45.12 | holst | =D |
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| 19:48.24 | alarm | how can i see what user id i got ? |
| 19:48.35 | wils0n__ | `whoami` |
| 19:48.50 | theatro | id |
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| 19:49.25 | alarm | thanks :) |
| 19:49.26 | pingouin | id is nice ;) thank theatro ;) |
| 19:49.41 | JohnGH | What kinds of things can cause your system to have Segmentation faults in all applications? (As opposed to one particular app segfaulting) - my laptop will usually run for about 24 hours then everything new will segfault (programs that are already running will often keep running unless they need to start other processes - i.e. Iceweasel will still work until I try and open an external application) |
| 19:49.53 | JohnGH | it's been doing this for a couple of months now |
| 19:49.55 | wils0n__ | bad memory |
| 19:50.01 | wils0n__ | overclocked too high |
| 19:50.10 | wils0n__ | any sort of flaky hardware/bit error |
| 19:50.13 | wils0n__ | or bad applications |
| 19:50.24 | JohnGH | wils0n__: I thought about the memory, it's not overclocked |
| 19:50.32 | xand | I had that, caused by a dodgy DIMM |
| 19:50.35 | JohnGH | and it's strange that it works fine for a day |
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| 19:50.47 | wils0n__ | try replacing the memory or keeping the machine particularly cool |
| 19:50.49 | JohnGH | I don't think it's heat related |
| 19:50.57 | wils0n__ | why not? |
| 19:51.19 | JohnGH | I used to have overheating problems with it at my old house, but here (sitting on a different kind of table) that doesn't happen |
| 19:51.58 | JohnGH | it's a Toshiba Satellite Pro SP6100 P4 2GHz and about 4 years old. |
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| 19:53.07 | stew | ma3x: why not just use the rules from the debian mplayer package? |
| 19:53.53 | JohnGH | I'm wondering if it could be caused by something I've upgraded - i.e. kernel or something core - I've wondered about stripping it down and re-installing from scratch - but that's a scarey prospect because it has so much set up on it! |
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| 19:54.06 | ma3x | stew, because that does not 'make depend' |
| 19:54.21 | stew | ma3x: are you sure it is necessary then? |
| 19:54.25 | JohnGH | xand: thanks :) |
| 19:54.40 | ma3x | stew, yes because i need to link it to the statical lib of x264 |
| 19:54.59 | stew | ma3x: well i would probably put it before the call to make |
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| 19:55.27 | ma3x | stew, I've put it right after configure; make depend |
| 19:55.29 | ma3x | is that alright? |
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| 19:55.49 | alarm | a last question for now i hope |
| 19:56.14 | alarm | can ntfs-3g to have just read only access or it has always also write |
| 19:56.28 | valdyn | alarm: whatever you chose |
| 19:56.53 | alarm | hope its easy to configure without touching my ntfs partitions |
| 19:56.59 | valdyn | alarm: its an option to mount, 'mount -o ro', see manpage |
| 19:56.59 | DawnLight | alarm: i think it is up to /etc/fstab |
| 19:57.26 | DawnLight | if you are using fstab for that |
| 19:57.32 | alarm | till now i was mounting my drives with: /dev/hdc5 /media/win2 ntfs noauto,gid=1000,umask=0002,nls=iso8859-7,nls=utf8 0 0 |
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| 19:57.55 | alarm | nothing mentioning about ro or rw |
| 19:57.58 | valdyn | alarm: then add ,ro to that long list of options |
| 19:58.07 | valdyn | alarm: rw is the default obviously |
| 19:58.08 | ma3x | stew, thanks a lot man |
| 19:58.12 | JohnGH | Does anyone know of a list of what packages I'd need to install to get certain CPAN modules to build? at the moment I'm just trying to do "install Bundle::CPAN" on a new box but it won't play ball with me - it's falling over on the compression stuff - I installed the zlib-dev modules which helped with one module, but it seems lots more of the deps are failing too. I've found in the past on... |
| 19:58.14 | JohnGH | ...other machines that I needed to install more packages to get modules to build - but it was mainly by trial and error or asking people who knew about that particular module - a Debian resource of "You need package X installed to build CPAN module Y" could be a useful thing for my to write up on the web if nobody has done such a thing already. |
| 19:58.15 | alarm | okie |
| 19:58.21 | valdyn | !perl |
| 19:58.21 | dpkg | hmm... perl is the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ or #perl |
| 19:58.26 | valdyn | !debian perl |
| 19:58.27 | dpkg | from memory, perl is the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ or #perl |
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| 19:59.18 | JohnGH | valdyn: does dpkg know something in particular? or are you just trying? |
| 19:59.19 | valdyn | JohnGH: how is a C header package supposed to help with perl? |
| 19:59.23 | JohnGH | !debian cpan |
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| 20:00.37 | valdyn | JohnGH: libcompress-zlib-perl |
| 20:00.58 | wols_ | valdyn: some perl modules are written in C just like perl itself |
| 20:00.59 | JohnGH | valdyn: lots of modules are not pure Perl, they're written in XS - and need to link in libraries to work - i.e. if you want to gunzip or use GNUPG or SSH from Perl it would be pretty braindead to reimplement all that code from scratch in pure Perl - and it would be hella slow compared to the system libraries! |
| 20:01.23 | valdyn | JohnGH: sure |
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| 20:02.44 | valdyn | JohnGH: debian perl module packages end with -perl |
| 20:02.54 | JohnGH | I expect the Debian package versions of the CPAN modules should know about the package dependencies ;-) |
| 20:02.58 | JohnGH | valdyn: yup, I know, thanks |
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| 20:03.14 | JohnGH | but not all CPAN modules have been packaged for Debian |
| 20:03.28 | valdyn | JohnGH: there's dh_make_perl for that or somesuch |
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| 20:03.48 | puppet | Hi anyone that knows how it comes that a USB harddrive can be ReadOnly on one computer but not on another? |
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| 20:04.10 | Petfrogg | hello! |
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| 20:04.23 | ciel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.25 | JohnGH | Petfrogg: ribbet! |
| 20:04.58 | JohnGH | puppet: are both computers running the same OS and version? |
| 20:04.59 | Petfrogg | i am trying to install the nvidiadriver using module-assistant but i get an error about it - where can i see the errorlogs from modules-assistant |
| 20:05.13 | Petfrogg | JohnGH: rrrrribit |
| 20:05.20 | puppet | JohnGH: debian arm on one, deiban i386 on other |
| 20:05.34 | JohnGH | puppet: which one is read-only? |
| 20:05.39 | JohnGH | don't say the arm |
| 20:05.40 | puppet | JohnGH: arm |
| 20:05.44 | JohnGH | hehehe |
| 20:05.49 | puppet | common? |
| 20:05.53 | DawnLight | Petfrogg: what error |
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| 20:06.06 | DawnLight | !tell Petfrogg about nvidia |
| 20:06.10 | JohnGH | puppet: maybe the USB code is not fully implemented on that particular hardware yet? |
| 20:06.20 | puppet | JohnGH: worked before, stopped working suddenly |
| 20:06.26 | JohnGH | ah, OK |
| 20:06.26 | valdyn | JohnGH: ah,. the package is dh-make-perl, do you know about that one? |
| 20:06.30 | puppet | JohnGH: running it on a HUB, sdb works fine, but not sdc |
| 20:06.51 | JohnGH | Petfrogg: did you try looking under the lilly pad for the log? |
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| 20:07.25 | Petfrogg | DawnLight: all i get is a message saying that the "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed." |
| 20:07.26 | Petfrogg | but no reason |
| 20:07.31 | JohnGH | valdyn: I'll have a look, thanks |
| 20:07.54 | DawnLight | are you following the wiki, Petfrogg? |
| 20:08.00 | puppet | JohnGH: wasnt anything with the usb hib direlcct removed the other disk and just plugged in that on |
| 20:08.39 | JohnGH | why does aptitude search not show things that come up in apt-cache search? is that because it's looking for whole strings not parts of? |
| 20:09.01 | JohnGH | puppet - have you rebooted since the problem started? |
| 20:09.13 | puppet | JohnGH: tried yeah like, ehm several times ;P |
| 20:09.18 | Petfrogg | DawnLight: yes |
| 20:09.34 | puppet | JohnGH: and i even moved all to another drive, repartioned, and reformated |
| 20:09.39 | puppet | JohnGH: thats even wierder |
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| 20:10.02 | DawnLight | Petfrogg: good idea. and do it the debian way, of course |
| 20:10.21 | Petfrogg | hmm i want to use the module-assistant way |
| 20:10.31 | Petfrogg | the reason is that i want to use the nvidia with xen |
| 20:10.35 | Petfrogg | as the next step |
| 20:10.47 | Kurtism | how do you make it so smbfs mounts don't try to mount immediately after getting wlan0 up? I find it does it too fast and ends up failing the mount because the wireless connection hasn't really fully initialized, so that forces me to manually do mount -a after its booted. |
| 20:10.58 | Kurtism | anybody have this problem? |
| 20:11.02 | DawnLight | Petfrogg: what do you mean with xen? |
| 20:11.04 | JohnGH | valdyn: WOW! when I did aptitude install dh-make-perl it gave me a BIG list of packages it wants to install - maybe that's what I need :-) |
| 20:11.42 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 20:12.07 | Petfrogg | DawnLight: i have had huge problem with my dualscreensupprt and xen |
| 20:12.23 | Petfrogg | the only way to do it is to use the nvidiadriver with xen |
| 20:12.26 | DawnLight | JohnGH: good advice: don't use aptitude from command line. launch aptitude and use it's brilliant interface |
| 20:12.36 | Petfrogg | that is the problem |
| 20:12.48 | S4nD3r | How to watch wmv files in my linux??? |
| 20:12.55 | Petfrogg | i just found a howto about how deiban unstable + module-assistent could solve it |
| 20:13.00 | S4nD3r | mplayer, totem, xine, not shows |
| 20:13.24 | JohnGH | DawnLight: in what way is that good advice? It reminds me of dselect which I really hate |
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| 20:13.34 | DawnLight | Petfrogg: if you're using unstable, then i really can't help you there |
| 20:13.39 | Kurtism | so does anybody else have problems auto mounting smbfs at startup? |
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| 20:14.05 | Petfrogg | DawnLight: i am using stable right now |
| 20:14.36 | DawnLight | JohnGH: it shows you all the dependencies and much, much more, in an easy interface. i've learned much about debian from using it |
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| 20:14.41 | JohnGH | S4nD3r: vlc can view most of them (not ALL though) |
| 20:14.51 | S4nD3r | vlc didnt work too |
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| 20:15.17 | Kurtism | anybody? |
| 20:15.24 | L0cKn | .. |
| 20:15.30 | Ronin | !anyone |
| 20:15.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:15.31 | DawnLight | Petfrogg: there are nvidia module packages for the debian kernels in etch. use them. the wiki explains how. |
| 20:15.32 | JohnGH | DawnLight: how is that easier than saying "... install BLAH" and then answering a few "Y|N" Qs? |
| 20:15.47 | Petfrogg | Lemme think here for a while... |
| 20:15.51 | DawnLight | JohnGH: i don't know about easier |
| 20:16.13 | Petfrogg | well all i wanted was to know where i could find the log for module-assistant... |
| 20:16.14 | Kurtism | oy |
| 20:16.15 | Petfrogg | hm |
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| 20:16.29 | DawnLight | that i don't know |
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| 20:16.52 | DawnLight | but /var/log may be a good guess |
| 20:16.55 | Petfrogg | 8 ) |
| 20:17.29 | DawnLight | nah |
| 20:17.41 | S4nD3r | theres no coded to use with totem ? |
| 20:18.12 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: mplayer is my choice |
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| 20:19.13 | S4nD3r | http://www.windowsmedia.com/wmrm/wmrm.asp |
| 20:19.19 | S4nD3r | this message I got |
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| 20:21.51 | Kurtism | anybody know where I could find info on how lenny auto mounts smbfs shares? |
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| 20:22.17 | Kurtism | it seems to be tied to the network interfaces |
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| 20:22.34 | DawnLight | Kurtism: i hate it |
| 20:22.46 | Kurtism | you hate lenny? |
| 20:22.56 | Kurtism | or smb auto mounting being tied to the network interfaces somehow? |
| 20:22.57 | DawnLight | samba! |
| 20:23.16 | DawnLight | it didn't work for me, that thing :( |
| 20:23.32 | DawnLight | well, partly |
| 20:23.54 | DawnLight | thats a too strong of a word, actually |
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| 20:25.16 | rhsanborn | I can't seem to get knoppix or my deb netinst disc to recognize either the ethernet card or the wireless card on my laptop...the wireless is a broadcom 4328, and the ethernet card is some type of nvidia card |
| 20:25.28 | rhsanborn | any ideas? |
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| 20:25.50 | dondelelcaro | rhsanborn: they won't recognize it unless you have the firmware |
| 20:25.50 | tr0gd0r_ | anyone know how to fix this |
| 20:25.52 | tr0gd0r_ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 20:25.52 | tr0gd0r_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:26.13 | dondelelcaro | tr0gd0r_: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build whatever language you're using |
| 20:26.21 | tr0gd0r_ | tried that |
| 20:26.25 | tr0gd0r_ | ill try again though |
| 20:27.01 | rhsanborn | dondelelcaro, so there isn't much hope of getting deb up and running on it? |
| 20:27.23 | tr0gd0r_ | dondelelcaro: it worked the second time |
| 20:27.24 | tr0gd0r_ | thanks |
| 20:28.16 | dondelelcaro | rhsanborn: debian will run just fine on it, you just have to install it, then install the firmware |
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| 20:29.28 | rhsanborn | blech |
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| 20:29.44 | wols_ | rhsanborn: what does lspci say about your nvidia NIC? |
| 20:30.08 | briansk1 | hrm... i apparently did something bad to my system. when it boots now, it just says "GRUB" - no more, no less, and nothing else happens :( |
| 20:30.17 | rhsanborn | nVidia corporation unknwown device 054c |
| 20:30.19 | briansk1 | what does that mean? |
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| 20:30.56 | rhsanborn | It doesn't tell me specifically which chip is in there |
| 20:31.05 | wols_ | rhsanborn: gte this file http://pciids.sourceforge.net/v2.2/pci.ids |
| 20:31.27 | wols_ | and replace the /usr/share/misc/pci.ids.gz with this file |
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| 20:31.57 | tr0gd0r_ | if i installed debian on an athlon xp and now swapped the hard drive to a athlon 64 how can i get the proper kernel for the athlon 64? my kernel is currently 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 20:32.15 | wols_ | tho I can't find it in my update one. what chipset is it exactly? |
| 20:32.36 | wols_ | tr0gd0r_: by installing a new kernel. tho your k7 is fine |
| 20:32.37 | fraggsta | I came here to ask a question about a problem with my laptop spontaneously resetting ide0 a while after booting. Now it won't do it for me to tlel you all the errors >:( |
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| 20:32.55 | tr0gd0r_ | wols_ wouldnt it run faster with a k8 kernel |
| 20:33.00 | wols_ | !tell rhsanborn about kmuto |
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| 20:33.11 | wols_ | tr0gd0r_: no. unoticeable |
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| 20:33.25 | wols_ | tr0gd0r_: and if you want a k8 kernel, feel free to install it |
| 20:33.27 | defjam01 | can anybody tell me the name of the package that contains all the build tools? (like gcc, g++ etc.) |
| 20:33.39 | dvs | build-essential? |
| 20:33.39 | tr0gd0r_ | wols_ how hard is it to install? |
| 20:33.42 | defjam01 | aah |
| 20:33.44 | defjam01 | thx :D |
| 20:33.45 | wols_ | rhsanborn: try a installer from kmuto |
| 20:33.48 | defjam01 | dvs |
| 20:33.54 | dvs | np |
| 20:33.58 | wols_ | tr0gd0r_: very easy. if you don't know how to install stuff: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 20:34.06 | fraggsta | will tailing /var/log/messages print errors that modules print? |
| 20:34.23 | tr0gd0r_ | wols_: simple apt-get install? |
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| 20:34.31 | wols_ | fraggsta: yes |
| 20:34.32 | Kurtism | that's so fuckin weird man, I changed the order in which my network devices appear in /etc/network/interfaces from lo, eth0, wlan0 to be wlan0, eth0, lo.... now boom auto mounting of smbfs works perfectly at bootup |
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| 20:35.04 | rhsanborn_ | wols_, can you send me that link again? |
| 20:35.04 | wols_ | !tell rhsanborn about kmuto |
| 20:35.09 | wols_ | rhsanborn: try a installer from kmuto |
| 20:35.27 | wols_ | rhsanborn: has a newer kernel and it might have support for your chipset |
| 20:35.32 | rhsanborn_ | !tell rhsanborn_ about kmuto |
| 20:35.54 | rhsanborn_ | My powersupply on my main pc just died, so rhsanborn isn't online |
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| 20:35.59 | wols_ | you cannot /msg anyone |
| 20:36.06 | wols_ | not until you're identified |
| 20:36.31 | activ8 | sob! |
| 20:36.36 | activ8 | anyone know sparr? |
| 20:36.57 | rhsanborn_ | wols_, my registered nick is still logged in |
| 20:37.04 | rhsanborn_ | hasn't timed out yet |
| 20:37.15 | wols_ | then ghost it |
| 20:37.36 | wols_ | !anyone use sparr |
| 20:37.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses sparr, not even the people who use it. |
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| 20:38.47 | simonrvn | !seen sparr |
| 20:38.48 | dpkg | sparr <n=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 16h 52m 41s ago, saying: 'what i really wish i could find cheap is a large plotter... gonna take a while on that one'. |
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| 20:40.07 | briansk1 | alternately, is there a way to re-boot linux from within linux? |
| 20:40.12 | briansk1 | ie without going to the bios? |
| 20:40.39 | briansk1 | basically to zero out memory and start the kernel again |
| 20:41.16 | rhsanborn | wols_, I'll try kmuto |
| 20:41.26 | rhsanborn | wols_, thanks, can you send me the link now? |
| 20:41.30 | simonrvn | !free ram |
| 20:41.30 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
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| 20:45.01 | itchi | !ram |
| 20:45.01 | dpkg | i heard ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask about <free ram> |
| 20:45.05 | itchi | briansk1: ^^ |
| 20:45.35 | itchi | briansk1: Especially that "unused ram is _wasted_ ram!" |
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| 20:46.27 | Yggdrasil | hey itchi |
| 20:46.35 | briansk1 | itchi: huh? |
| 20:46.39 | Yggdrasil | you know of a way to get grub to boot the installer from ta cd |
| 20:46.56 | briansk1 | i have a machine with no bios (the bios is configurable from windows, uggg) |
| 20:47.20 | briansk1 | and my hd is screwed up, so i need to net boot without the hd in, then get the hd in before the linux kernel probes |
| 20:47.27 | briansk1 | so i can access the hd and see what the prob is |
| 20:47.50 | itchi | briansk1: Use a pata/sata to usb case? |
| 20:48.08 | DawnLight | good idea |
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| 20:48.26 | briansk1 | itchi: hmm thatmight work, but i'm probably not going to buy things to do this, since i'm fixing my ex's computer so she moves out faster ;) |
| 20:49.21 | DawnLight | that is whats keeping her |
| 20:50.05 | briansk1 | one of many excuses |
| 20:50.23 | DawnLight | aha |
| 20:50.31 | DawnLight | !excuses |
| 20:50.31 | dpkg | excuses is, like, Why Its Not In Testing Yet, or http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html, or the cat ate my homework. |
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| 20:51.10 | xlq | is there a way to install one unstable package without downloading half the bloody Internet with it? |
| 20:51.20 | dondelelcaro | xlq: use a backport |
| 20:51.20 | abrotman | !tell xlq about backports |
| 20:51.30 | wols_ | !tell rhsanborn about kmuto |
| 20:52.18 | itchi | xlq: I guess you like to break your toys :-p |
| 20:52.29 | xlq | there isn't a sourc package |
| 20:52.35 | xlq | *source package |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | xlq: for what package? |
| 20:52.42 | xlq | mercurial |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | 9.4 is at backports.org |
| 20:53.15 | RvGaTe | Wich install (architecture) should i get/download/install for an intel core 2 duo ? |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | i386 or amd64 .. your choice |
| 20:54.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | x86: Compatibility. AMD64: Performance. |
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| 20:54.26 | RvGaTe | abrotman, Dark_Apostrophe, i386 it is :) |
| 20:54.35 | RvGaTe | thx |
| 20:54.56 | DawnLight | i didn't know you can amd64 on anything other then amd64... |
| 20:55.04 | abrotman | now you know |
| 20:55.12 | DawnLight | !know |
| 20:55.13 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 20:55.25 | RvGaTe | nice |
| 20:55.50 | DawnLight | i didn't mean to call you a fool, i'm sorry. i'm just experimenting with dpkg :) |
| 20:56.10 | DawnLight | !ahimsa |
| 20:56.10 | dpkg | [ahimsa] a Sanskrit term meaning nonviolence (literally: the avoidance of violence - himsa). It is an important tenet of the religions that originated in ancient India (Hinduism, Buddhism, and especially Jainism). Ahimsa is a rule of conduct that bars the killing or injuring of living beings. It is closely connected with the notion that all kinds of violence entail negative karmic consequences. |
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| 20:56.51 | abrotman | DawnLight: /msg dpkg foo |
| 20:57.26 | itchi | !tell DawnLight about selftell |
| 20:57.36 | stoned | itchi: my main man |
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| 20:57.42 | stoned | whats up man, hows the little baby? |
| 20:57.56 | DawnLight | i know... |
| 20:58.06 | itchi | stoned: Good good heh, 4,5 months now heh. You see, i have lesser time heh ;-) |
| 20:58.13 | stoned | heh |
| 20:58.23 | stoned | my roommates girl is here from boston |
| 20:58.37 | stoned | they are busy fucking and I'm sitting out here and I'm like dude, keep it down |
| 20:58.40 | itchi | stoned: So you're preparing a tux :-p |
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| 20:58.47 | stoned | nah man |
| 20:58.56 | stoned | I'm getting old and my mom and family want me to get married already |
| 20:58.59 | DawnLight | keep it down? pump it up! |
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| 20:59.04 | stoned | every other month I get a goddamn lecture from her |
| 20:59.08 | stoned | argh. |
| 20:59.08 | linux_jones | how long has kernel 2.6.18-5 been out? |
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| 20:59.16 | stoned | check the changelog |
| 20:59.17 | DawnLight | a few days |
| 20:59.31 | stoned | i'd say about 2 weeks since I found out about it |
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| 20:59.41 | stoned | 2.6.18-5 is a etch security update |
| 20:59.42 | itchi | stoned: I'm still not maried, not yet planified :-) |
| 20:59.46 | DawnLight | guess my mirror is slow :o |
| 20:59.48 | stoned | itchi: hehe |
| 21:00.05 | DawnLight | no marriage! |
| 21:00.12 | stoned | you blashphemer |
| 21:00.15 | stoned | adulterer |
| 21:00.17 | itchi | yeah, that's for the second life :-p |
| 21:00.22 | stoned | ! :) jk |
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| 21:01.08 | DawnLight | hey, i'm jewish and i don't plan on geting anywhere near that chupa |
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| 21:01.20 | stoned | my boss is jewish |
| 21:01.31 | stoned | I work in a predominantly jewish neighbourhood |
| 21:01.35 | solar_sea | Hello, i have a grub-specific question related to a debian install. I've followed the steps in chapter 4, part 6 of the install guide, I have set-up the tftp and dchp server, but the machine that I want to install debian to doesn't support pxe boot. So I've run a grun on it, compiled with --enable-diskless and -enable-rtl8139, once inside, dhcp - worked, root (nd) - worked. What should I do now, so that it would load the pxelinux.0 and netboot.tar.gz an |
| 21:01.35 | solar_sea | d proceed with debian's install ? |
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| 21:02.06 | ianm_ | seems a debian update broke courier POP service. now I just see "failed to get a valid greeting from pop server" in the client. it's using mysql for authentication. it seems the auth stuff was changed in the new courier. any ideas what has to be done to fix it? |
| 21:02.21 | Xilon2 | is the new version of the open source ati driver out yet? |
| 21:02.34 | stoned | Xilon2: you want to search for you? |
| 21:02.43 | DawnLight | my god. watch your back. you might find a mezooza on it if you're not careful |
| 21:02.48 | stoned | Xilon2: something you yourself can (should) do before asking |
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| 21:02.56 | Xilon2 | stoned: i did |
| 21:03.01 | Xilon2 | i am just curious |
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| 21:03.15 | Xilon2 | the specs were released to the open source community |
| 21:03.22 | Xilon2 | so i want to know if its out yet |
| 21:03.24 | DawnLight | wow! they were?? |
| 21:03.39 | stoned | they were ? |
| 21:03.50 | Xilon2 | i believe so |
| 21:03.52 | stoned | more than likely it will be a WHILE before it comes out |
| 21:04.00 | Xilon2 | oh |
| 21:04.05 | stoned | because there are a lot of complexities involved |
| 21:04.18 | stoned | not enough proper documentation for the hardware specs etc. |
| 21:04.30 | Xilon2 | anyone here has a working sigmatel stac2000 card working with etch? |
| 21:04.34 | stoned | just making some parts of the technology open doesn't mean that there will be an oss driver asap |
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| 21:04.42 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 21:04.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:04.58 | Xilon2 | :) |
| 21:05.22 | xlq | how do I install a source package with aptitude? |
| 21:05.23 | Xilon2 | Ok, how do I get my sigmatel stac9200 audio card working in etch? :) |
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| 21:05.46 | simonrvn | !alsaconf |
| 21:05.50 | Xilon2 | i believe it uses the snd-intel-hda card |
| 21:05.57 | simonrvn | bah |
| 21:06.03 | Xilon2 | but not supported by the old alsa versions |
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| 21:06.14 | Xilon2 | so i need to manually install the latest rc |
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| 21:06.28 | Xilon2 | when i tried that, it didnt work |
| 21:06.31 | simonrvn | so do. needs to be built first ;) |
| 21:06.34 | itchi | Xilon2: See /msg dpkg alsa |
| 21:06.49 | itchi | Sorry for the delay :-s |
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| 21:07.48 | DustyBin | will we see more linux desktops in big enterprise once KDE4 is released? |
| 21:08.31 | Xilon2 | anything special comes with KDE$? |
| 21:08.35 | Xilon2 | *KDE4 |
| 21:08.57 | DustyBin | it used QT4, so will be faster than previous versions of KDE |
| 21:09.00 | DustyBin | uses |
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| 21:09.08 | itchi | Xilon2: Check it out, big changes anyway. The look and feel especially |
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| 21:09.36 | itchi | But it's still in test phases ... According to Linux Magazine |
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| 21:10.38 | DawnLight | wow, ati really took a positive step! |
| 21:11.01 | DustyBin | 'The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it.' |
| 21:11.20 | abrotman | it's disabled |
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| 21:11.25 | MikeG | They're working on it. |
| 21:11.26 | ianm_ | DustyBin: eh I don't think speed is keeping KDE from being used |
| 21:11.35 | itchi | DustyBin: Help these with it, cause that's already some time these are working on it ... |
| 21:11.45 | DustyBin | abrotman: maybe we could provide it a wheel chair? |
| 21:12.05 | xlq | there's no way to tell APT that I know better? |
| 21:12.18 | abrotman | about what ? |
| 21:12.28 | xlq | about dependencies |
| 21:12.34 | abrotman | elaborate |
| 21:13.28 | abrotman | or don't ... |
| 21:13.41 | xlq | well, upgrading libc6 when I change a python program... |
| 21:13.44 | xlq | pointless, no? |
| 21:13.45 | itchi | !beer abrotman |
| 21:13.49 | abrotman | not pointless |
| 21:13.56 | abrotman | they're called dependencies for a reason |
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| 21:14.20 | Karrde | Hey, a question. Are there any dual-core optimisations for debian etch (i386) ? |
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| 21:16.04 | xlq | but Python is interpreted |
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| 21:16.37 | MikeG | xlq: What does that have to do with anything? |
| 21:16.51 | xlq | gah |
| 21:16.52 | xlq | :( |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | slackware has no depencies! \o/ |
| 21:17.21 | abrotman | dependencies |
| 21:17.22 | itchi | xlq: You're still confused and miss some things |
| 21:17.41 | abrotman | xlq: aren't you looking for mercurial ? |
| 21:17.46 | xlq | yes |
| 21:17.47 | abrotman | xlq: did you check backports.org ? |
| 21:18.05 | xlq | I'm using source package |
| 21:18.16 | abrotman | okay then .. i'd go for the backports.org package |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | but it's up to you |
| 21:18.30 | itchi | xlq: Why not cvs or better, svn? |
| 21:18.35 | xlq | there's barely anything to compile |
| 21:18.37 | DawnLight | i've just emailed a thanks to amd for open sourcing |
| 21:18.47 | xlq | itchi: or even better, check it out of mercurial |
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| 21:18.56 | xlq | but then it won't be managed by the package manager |
| 21:19.02 | xlq | which is the whole point of having a package manager |
| 21:19.07 | itchi | xlq: Yeah i know, it's written in python, i like python that much, but still use svn :-p |
| 21:20.58 | itchi | xlq: There's even links to the packages on http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/BinaryPackages |
| 21:20.59 | MikeG | xlq: You could make your own package if you want a package but you don't want one that is like any others you can find. (I know that is an annoying linuxy answer, but it's true enough.) |
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| 21:21.27 | jahshua | hello |
| 21:21.31 | jahshua | can anyone please tell me a good gui for detecting and connecting wireless networks? |
| 21:22.41 | DustyBin | nesta: i have no experience of wireless on linux, but that will soon change once i get new laptop |
| 21:22.43 | ianm_ | jahshua: network-manager |
| 21:23.04 | abrotman | xlq: you're makign this *way* too hard |
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| 21:25.24 | itchi | !hard |
| 21:25.24 | dpkg | Yes. It's hard. |
| 21:25.27 | itchi | :-p |
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| 21:28.08 | qrck | in what package is the config options for the terminals as per /dev/[tty1-6] or something like that i forgot, anyone remember and be so kind to give me an answer ? |
| 21:28.24 | abrotman | qrck: edit /etc/inittab |
| 21:28.25 | |sparr| | Is there a way to have a script modify my shell's environment other than using source? in bash. |
| 21:28.28 | qrck | have to reconfigure i think...gah |
| 21:29.20 | qrck | abrotman, no inittab is ok i specd 12 vcs now without vcs7 though but somehow Xorg get's to vcs13 or so, i don't want that ... |
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| 21:29.34 | itchi | sparr_: Fetch fresh beer, that other seems hot :-p |
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| 21:29.42 | abrotman | qrck: huh ? |
| 21:30.13 | qrck | i mean upon restarting it it gets onto another vc, though vc7 is free....and per default it should appear on vc7 .... |
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| 21:30.37 | abrotman | no .. it takes the lastone+1 |
| 21:30.38 | n_np_ | I installed mysql 5 with aptitude, but why cant i log into it with root?! |
| 21:31.21 | stew | n_np_: what command are you running and what error are you getting? |
| 21:31.34 | qrck | oh shit really ? lastone+1 ? then it's ok |
| 21:31.40 | qrck | gaahh |
| 21:31.52 | n_np_ | stew, i installed phpmyadmin and when i try to log in with root it just says access denied |
| 21:31.58 | abrotman | qrck: i'm pretty sure that's what it is anyways |
| 21:32.13 | stew | n_np_: can you login from the command line? |
| 21:32.15 | rmaj | is there ONE, good, COMPLETE dvd player in linux world at all? mplayer->trouble with filters/no menu totem->no filters kaffeine->trouble playing with filters on some hardware |
| 21:32.17 | itchi | n_np_: Did you setup that account? |
| 21:32.33 | n_np_ | itchi i thought root is always set up? |
| 21:32.42 | n_np_ | i dont know how to set up accounts in mysql :/ wot r the commands? :( |
| 21:32.46 | itchi | n_np_: Passwordless you mean |
| 21:32.49 | n_np_ | stew i dont know how to use command line |
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| 21:33.05 | itchi | n_np_: Read the manual before you break all |
| 21:33.08 | n_np_ | oh its passwordless! |
| 21:33.12 | n_np_ | werd |
| 21:33.16 | n_np_ | i better buy the mysql books |
| 21:33.20 | briansk1 | how can i determine the args linux was given by the bootloader - somewhere in /proc perhaps? |
| 21:33.30 | itchi | n_np_: Read the good docs that are provided for free man |
| 21:33.49 | n_np_ | hmm okj |
| 21:34.01 | qrck | abrotman, thank you got rid of the 12th vc now restarting Xorg.... |
| 21:34.05 | itchi | briansk1: Mean you i.e. the vga=791 ? |
| 21:34.23 | stew | briansk1: /proc/cmdline |
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| 21:36.16 | Zirg | what command (via dpkg) do i need to find out what package install a specific binary |
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| 21:37.21 | stew | Zirg: dpkg -S filename or dlocate filename (assuming the package is installed), if its not yet installed, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:37.21 | streuner | Zirg: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:37.38 | briansk1 | stew: thanks |
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| 21:38.23 | Zirg | steven_, Thank You, Sir! |
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| 21:38.43 | Zirg | Just exactly what i wanted |
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| 21:41.00 | steve__ | hi does anyone know of a linux live CD that will fit on a 650 MB CD-RW and has either gparted or kparted |
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| 21:44.48 | Tramp | steve__: guess what the the first thing is when googling for "livecd gparted" .... |
| 21:45.09 | dvs | Debian? |
| 21:45.16 | steve__ | Tramp: oh my |
| 21:45.29 | alaya__ | Tramp: a page with really good info on beaches? |
| 21:45.30 | steve__ | Tramp: thanks |
| 21:45.47 | exp3ctr0 | Good Night |
| 21:45.52 | Tramp | alaya__: almost |
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| 21:48.33 | gkahla | anyone know of a command-line config how-to for wifi on etch? everyone really likes nm-applet... |
| 21:48.50 | thrashyy | Is there an opposite of the command "eject" which closed the disk drive? |
| 21:48.55 | Guerin | gkahla: load the module, run iwconfig |
| 21:49.01 | Guerin | gkahla: done |
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| 21:49.37 | xand | thrashyy: eject -t |
| 21:49.55 | gkahla | Guerin: thx - is there a config file to save connection info in? |
| 21:49.59 | DustyBin | thrashyy: use your finger you lazy git |
| 21:50.59 | thrashyy | I am using my finger, just on my keyboard :) , thanks xand btw |
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| 21:51.48 | wols_ | gkahla: man interfaces |
| 21:51.58 | thrashyy | eject |
| 21:52.10 | thrashyy | lol woops |
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| 21:53.20 | ianm_ | is there a clean way to downgrade a package + dependencies? |
| 21:53.23 | gkahla | that's got it - thx again Guerin and wols_ |
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| 21:54.27 | DustyBin | ianm_ why do you need to downgrade? |
| 21:54.35 | Guerin | gkahla: it's peasy -- if you have a decent wifi card. |
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| 21:54.37 | alaya__ | ianm_: install manually with dpkg? |
| 21:54.42 | Guerin | if not it can get painful |
| 21:55.03 | ianm_ | alaya__: not so clean.. |
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| 21:55.24 | alaya__ | ianm_: define "clean" |
| 21:55.36 | ianm_ | DustyBin: just updated courier and it broke POP, and I'm not seeing any error messages, don't know what to do |
| 21:55.46 | gkahla | Guerin: yeah, it shouldn't be too bad once i get the firmware fixed... not the best card, not the worst either. |
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| 21:57.14 | gkahla | wow - didn't expect a base Etch install to be missing 'less' - I'm spoiled! |
| 21:58.41 | ianm_ | alaya__: you know, like having apt manage it, doing the dependencies, not forgetting anything :D |
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| 21:59.49 | Guerin | !partial downgrade |
| 21:59.49 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 21:59.56 | alaya__ | ianm_: you can find the packages at snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:00.07 | Guerin | ianm_: ↑ that is the least-dirty way, but it's still pretty dirty. |
| 22:00.23 | gkahla | I feel dirty just reading it... |
| 22:00.28 | ianm_ | me too |
| 22:00.33 | DustyBin | mm dirt |
| 22:00.45 | Guerin | i'd just back up my configs and reinstall, since it only takes 30 minutes |
| 22:00.48 | ianm_ | well, fixing courier is probably a better direction |
| 22:01.10 | ianm_ | Guerin: it's a remote production server, so... :D |
| 22:01.37 | DustyBin | ianm_: have a look at the source code and see if you can see what is going on |
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| 22:01.55 | Guerin | ianm_: joy! |
| 22:01.58 | gkahla | ianm_: there isn't anything about the borken pieces of courier complaining in the logs? |
| 22:02.15 | steve__ | hi i am booted into this liveCD and it's on an old machine so for the video driver i selected VESA and 1024x768 and the X server starts but the monitor stays black... the monitor is an 19" LCD widescreen |
| 22:02.22 | ianm_ | there was a message saying that courier authentication changed in the latest update |
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| 22:03.19 | gkahla | steve__: do you know the resolution for your 19" widescreen? |
| 22:03.25 | steve__ | gkahla: the native res? |
| 22:03.41 | steve__ | gkahla: i know it supports 1440x900 but i dont think thats its native resolution |
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| 22:04.15 | Guerin | find the native resolution and don't bother trying anything else |
| 22:04.19 | ianm_ | gkahla: I can't find any |
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| 22:04.43 | gkahla | steve__: use that res and stick with it. anything else gets strange |
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| 22:05.08 | gkahla | ianm_: is syslogd still running? |
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| 22:05.14 | steve__ | gkahla: using that res still makes the monitor stay black |
| 22:05.20 | ianm_ | gkahla: yes |
| 22:05.42 | steve__ | gkahla: like it flickers once but it stays black |
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| 22:06.34 | gkahla | ianm_: do you have your previous authentication method documented? (do you know what protocol it was speaking?) |
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| 22:07.29 | tw-nym | Hi, I'm reading the pam docs and I'm trying to figure out how to have a fallback authentication mechanism. So if it exists in a passwd.db don't check the system users, but if passwd.db auth fails, check passwd & shadow before failing. Is that possible? |
| 22:07.55 | gkahla | steve__: widescreen monitors aren't detected "out of the box" real well. is there a command-line parameter for the LiveCD to support the WS res? |
| 22:08.18 | steve__ | gkahla: i dont know |
| 22:08.22 | steve__ | what would it be under? |
| 22:08.36 | gkahla | steve__: which liveCD are you booting? |
| 22:08.42 | steve__ | gkahla: gParted |
| 22:08.46 | ianm_ | gkahla: "password" over SSL |
| 22:08.49 | steve__ | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
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| 22:09.25 | crm | any ideas why i would be receiving this error: |
| 22:09.25 | crm | http://www.pastebin.ca/735732 |
| 22:09.55 | gkahla | steve__: you might want to take a look at that site, and grep around for 'grub parameters' for your screen resolution. Sorry, but I'm not familiar with that liveCD... |
| 22:09.56 | abrotman | crm: ask #elive |
| 22:10.05 | crm | i did abrotman |
| 22:10.24 | abrotman | ask them again .. it has nothing to do with #debian |
| 22:10.45 | gkahla | ianm_: you might want to take a look at the shiny, new, broken courier config and see if you can set it back to "password" over SSL... |
| 22:10.54 | crm | uhm.. elive is based on debian abrotman |
| 22:11.11 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 22:11.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 22:11.18 | abrotman | crm: that's nice .. so are about 100 other distros .. we don't support them here |
| 22:11.27 | wols_ | crm: and now that you know why this doesn't concern debian, ask the elive people |
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| 22:12.26 | crm | well |
| 22:12.39 | crm | i can't believe that two people can speak for the entire channel |
| 22:12.49 | wols_ | the bot certainly does |
| 22:12.51 | Guerin | crm: believe. |
| 22:12.52 | wols_ | !elive |
| 22:12.52 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:13.08 | abrotman | crm: we could call all the ops .. and they could explain it :) |
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| 22:13.33 | crm | are you an op abrotman ? |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | does it matter? |
| 22:14.02 | streuner | crm: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 22:14.05 | wols_ | ah, now I understand: it's 00:13 on a sunday here now! |
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| 22:14.07 | crm | not really |
| 22:14.17 | wols_ | everything becomes clear |
| 22:14.25 | crm | damn.. only 23 ppl in #elive |
| 22:14.25 | wols_ | crm: you guys started early this week |
| 22:14.27 | Guerin | wols_: yeah, sunday here too. |
| 22:14.40 | DawnLight | whats the fuss |
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| 22:14.53 | streuner | ever heard of permanent sunday? :-) |
| 22:15.05 | Guerin | DawnLight: i see no fuss. |
| 22:15.10 | wols_ | In the interest of my sanity I refuse to acknowledge permasunday |
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| 22:15.20 | Guerin | wols_: good luck with that approach. |
| 22:15.26 | streuner | hehe |
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| 22:15.52 | wols_ | well, not the first time I've been called crazy... |
| 22:15.53 | streuner | well, both things arent helpful |
| 22:15.54 | Guerin | hm, i don't have nearly enough decent punk rock |
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| 22:15.58 | DawnLight | permasturbation :o |
| 22:16.06 | spo3k | exit |
| 22:16.25 | tw-nym | So concerning PAM; I see sufficient but it looks like it ends the pam stack execution if the condition is met. I need to have a "second chain" executed. |
| 22:16.25 | Guerin | DawnLight: OMGPIX |
| 22:17.10 | maxamillion | Guerin: last time i checked this was a member of the *chan realm of the internet |
| 22:17.31 | gkahla | i must go, but will leave you with this bit of wisdom: One may not recurse before one successfully curses for the first time. -pax and thanks- |
| 22:17.49 | Guerin | maxamillion: I'm not sure I grok your meaning, sirrah. |
| 22:18.04 | JohnGH | DawnLight: what kind of interface do you use to the irrigation system? |
| 22:18.34 | DawnLight | JohnGH: software wise? |
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| 22:20.58 | JohnGH | DawnLight: no, hardware - did you make something, or did you buy a system with a ready made card? |
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| 22:21.07 | tw-nym | I take it nobody actually edits their pam stacks and just use the default ones. |
| 22:22.06 | DawnLight | JohnGH: this is what i bought http://www.wgldesigns.com/rain8pc.html |
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| 22:23.23 | Guerin | tw-nym: strange, but true. |
| 22:23.34 | Guerin | tw-nym: lots of people use custom PAM modules, though. |
| 22:23.46 | Guerin | (I realise that's probably not going to do what you want) |
| 22:24.21 | DawnLight | JohnGH: bought it before i migrated from windows. that thing has only windows software. good thing the protocol is available! |
| 22:24.47 | tw-nym | Guerin: Considering this is the first time I've wanted to edit the pam stack in about 9 years of linux use, I can understand. |
| 22:25.23 | DawnLight | JohnGH: i type some stuff here, and the valve opens in the other room!! yey! |
| 22:25.34 | JohnGH | DawnLight: groovy :) which one are you using? hard wired, WiFi or RF? |
| 22:26.17 | DawnLight | the hard wired. serial port issues, remember |
| 22:26.34 | JohnGH | I came after that bit sorry |
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| 22:26.41 | JohnGH | so it's RS232? |
| 22:26.58 | DawnLight | yes. now i'm designing a cli front end to it |
| 22:27.06 | JohnGH | :) |
| 22:27.30 | JohnGH | Are you just echoing stuff straight into the serial port to drive it? |
| 22:27.51 | DawnLight | but i don't know any programming language, so i'll design it as detailed as i can and look for someone to write it |
| 22:27.59 | DawnLight | i am doing just that |
| 22:28.36 | JohnGH | awesome :) |
| 22:28.51 | DawnLight | although i don't understand why it is working like that. the baud rate should be set to 4800 according to the protocol and i don't specify that nowhere |
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| 22:28.59 | JohnGH | I'd like to get into doing some control stuff, but really don't know where to start. |
| 22:29.23 | DawnLight | control what? |
| 22:29.36 | S4nD3r | About amule, I dont know what is happening, but Its impossible to download servers from http://ocbmaurice.dyns.net/pl/slist.pl?download/server-best.met |
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| 22:29.52 | S4nD3r | Im looking for a server list |
| 22:29.59 | DawnLight | you can help me write the cli interface :) |
| 22:30.23 | Guerin | S4nD3r: this is not a p2p channel. Ask elsewhere. |
| 22:30.48 | JohnGH | DawnLight: hehehe |
| 22:30.55 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 22:31.04 | JohnGH | Stuff around the house for me - what are you irrigating? your lawn? or a farm? |
| 22:31.07 | DawnLight | brb |
| 22:32.16 | JohnGH | S4nD3r: have you tried asking on #amule? there are LOTS of people there who could help you! |
| 22:32.24 | DawnLight | back |
| 22:32.28 | JohnGH | re hi |
| 22:32.33 | valdyn | !fgi S4nD3r server.met |
| 22:32.33 | dpkg | S4nD3r: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=server.met |
| 22:32.35 | S4nD3r | Im there, but nobody answers |
| 22:33.13 | DawnLight | JohnGH: why are you interested in control? |
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| 22:33.24 | JohnGH | S4nD3r: ever wonder if it may be to do with the fact that it's the middle of the night? |
| 22:33.35 | valdyn | JohnGH: is it? |
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| 22:33.39 | JohnGH | DawnLight: easy - I'm a control freak? |
| 22:33.52 | DawnLight | oh but we all are, aren't we |
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| 22:33.56 | JohnGH | valdyn: kry is in Spain for starters - |
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| 22:34.09 | stoned | hmm |
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| 22:34.23 | stoned | what the hell is going on |
| 22:34.26 | Nyle | whoah |
| 22:34.41 | DawnLight | wha? |
| 22:34.47 | S4nD3r | not in brazil |
| 22:34.48 | stoned | I type something on in oftc #debian window and it automatically shows up in freenode #debian window (irssi) |
| 22:34.50 | S4nD3r | no problem |
| 22:34.57 | Nyle | testing on freenode. |
| 22:35.00 | stoned | see? |
| 22:35.06 | stoned | dude |
| 22:35.10 | stoned | whats going on with my irc connection? |
| 22:35.14 | JohnGH | DawnLight: I used to do electronics as a kid, and where I'm working at the moment (a large Semiconductor company) has lots of open-cased PCs in the different bays wired up to stuff - I've got lots of old PCs with Debian on them, and I think it would be fun to do things like turn lights on and off or whatever else from a machine on the network :) |
| 22:35.47 | Guerin | stoned: the raptors ... can't you see them? |
| 22:36.32 | JohnGH | stoned: it's problems with the protocol - IRC is only a very new invention and they haven't ironed out the bugs yet. |
| 22:36.36 | DawnLight | yeah! that would be swell. to develop an open control system with back-ends to all sorts of stuff |
| 22:36.50 | JohnGH | DawnLight: exactly :) |
| 22:37.04 | DawnLight | know about X10? |
| 22:37.10 | JohnGH | nope |
| 22:37.39 | JohnGH | what are you planning on irrigating? |
| 22:37.49 | DawnLight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_(industry_standard) |
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| 22:38.22 | DawnLight | i'm planning on irrigating food! indoor agriculture |
| 22:38.33 | simonrvn | :D |
| 22:38.50 | DawnLight | no more shopping! |
| 22:38.54 | DawnLight | fuck the system! |
| 22:39.00 | DawnLight | hehehe |
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| 22:39.16 | stef_ | does kmail know newsfeeds ? |
| 22:39.24 | Guerin | stef_: ask #kde |
| 22:39.35 | DawnLight | i'm in the middle east |
| 22:39.44 | Guerin | DawnLight: yes, I can tell from your hostmask. |
| 22:40.29 | DawnLight | who is dominating the water? |
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| 22:41.22 | Guerin | DawnLight: This is me resisting. There's plenty of documentation and research (some good, some not so) on this topic out there. |
| 22:41.44 | Guerin | DawnLight: Let's just say it's a bigger issue than oil in some parts of the region. |
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| 22:42.01 | DawnLight | i love water |
| 22:42.26 | Guerin | people who don't are mostly dead ;) |
| 22:43.48 | xand | water sucks |
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| 22:44.14 | simonrvn | water pushes |
| 22:44.26 | Geezle | Water in Niigata, Japan is awesome. . . |
| 22:45.22 | Geezle | Most of the foreigners that I know here still buy bottles of it though instead of getting it out of the tap. . .strange. . . |
| 22:45.44 | widrone | no, gravity sucks. water flows and splashes... |
| 22:45.51 | PotataChipz | hello all. I am attempting to boot into my new debian installation. I get to a point where it asks me to provide a username and password. This is preceded by "<MyHostname>: ". This is the hostname I provided while configuring dhcp during the install. Why should I have to log in to this just to boot? |
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| 22:46.26 | abrotman | PotataChipz: the system is booted .. it wants you to login now to use the system |
| 22:46.50 | wols_ | PotataChipz: this is how *nix systems work: no login, no work |
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| 22:47.11 | DawnLight | no password, no pleasure |
| 22:47.16 | Geezle | PotataChipz: That's your shell prompt. . . |
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| 22:47.38 | PotataChipz | *cough* wait, should I sign in as one of the user accounts I set up? |
| 22:47.53 | DawnLight | right |
| 22:47.54 | abrotman | PotataChipz: yes |
| 22:48.10 | PotataChipz | God, I apologize for the noobness. I was confused by the hostname being there. |
| 22:48.12 | JohnGH | Geezle: no, it's the login prompt, the shell prompt looks like (something)$ |
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| 22:48.27 | DawnLight | you can also sign in as "root" and supply the root password. but... |
| 22:48.36 | abrotman | PotataChipz: which GUI do you want ? |
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| 22:49.17 | PotataChipz | abrotman: I think I need to work on getting the system to recognize my screen first :/ |
| 22:49.20 | JohnGH | PotataChipz: if you just installed a bare-bones system like I always do then you'll need to install some X stuff if you want it to get graphical |
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| 22:49.34 | abrotman | PotataChipz: you have to install X first |
| 22:50.39 | PotataChipz | abrotman: I think it's already there, sorry, I didn't quite understand if X stuff was the entire gui or if there was other stuff on top |
| 22:50.49 | abrotman | PotataChipz: do you iknow which GUI you want ? |
| 22:50.55 | PotataChipz | I am getting errors from X about the screen |
| 22:50.57 | abrotman | like gnome/kde/fluxbox .. etc |
| 22:51.04 | abrotman | ah .. okay .. that's different .. |
| 22:51.13 | abrotman | look for errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:51.56 | PotataChipz | abrotman: yep, thanks for your help. I was planning on asking for more detailed help as soon as I could get into the system to retrieve that file... :) |
| 22:51.57 | steve__ | how can i disable framebuffer console from GRUB |
| 22:52.27 | PotataChipz | I'll probably be back shortly. Thanks for indulging my noobitude here, guys. |
| 22:52.49 | \amethyst | steve__: add "nofb" to the kernel command line |
| 22:52.59 | steve__ | \amethyst: thanks |
| 22:53.02 | spq | how can i upgrade only some packages? |
| 22:53.19 | \amethyst | spq: aptitude install or apt-get install those packages |
| 22:53.34 | spq | but they are not updated with the install command |
| 22:53.52 | spq | oh right |
| 22:53.54 | spq | thank you :) |
| 22:56.40 | PotataChipz | oh, incidentally, before I reboot again, I am on a 64-bit machine running 32-bit windows, forcing me to keep SATA in compatibility mode rather than ACHI. I had to switch to ACHI mode to get the debian installer to recognize the cd-rom. Will I be able to boot to debian in Compatibility mode, or does it require that I be in ACHI? |
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| 22:56.56 | PotataChipz | (dual booting) |
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| 23:05.01 | tw-nym | sooo, I type apt-file search db_load and get no packages... this should be part of the berkdb tools. What package is it in? |
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| 23:07.08 | capiira | hmm anyone know if there is a way to let "make" output the compiled files to another directory? |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | tw-nym: did you run apt-file update first ? |
| 23:07.39 | \amethyst | capiira: write the Makefile to allow that |
| 23:07.40 | abrotman | !find db_load etch |
| 23:07.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'db_load' (6 of 8): (/usr/bin/htdb_load) in web/htdig ;; (/usr/share/tinymux/game/data/db_load) in games/tinymux ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sisu/0.48/db_load_tuple.rb) in text/sisu ;; (/usr/lib/rpm/{rpmdb_load|rpmdb_loadcvt}) in admin/rpm ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.3-doc/utility/db_load.html) in libs/db4.3-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.4-doc/utility/db_load.html) in libs/db4.4-doc. |
| 23:08.03 | capiira | ah ok |
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| 23:09.21 | jvm123 | hello. i use debian etch and tried to install tomcat5.5, but i get "Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5sh: /usr/sbin/rotatelogs: Permission denied" during the insallation process. why? |
| 23:10.05 | tw-nym | Ah, I used apt-file incorrectly. It shows now, but none of those are related to berkdb except the db4.4-doc file. |
| 23:10.11 | tw-nym | Odd. |
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| 23:13.23 | Mathiazz | hello |
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| 23:13.33 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:13.43 | Mathiazz | i have some probleme with nfs on boot |
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| 23:13.55 | streuner | slow connection? |
| 23:13.57 | Mathiazz | it doesn mount anything on boot |
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| 23:14.48 | Mathiazz | 192.168.0.1:/ /home nfs4 rw,user,rsize=1024,wsize=1024,soft,timeo=30,intr 0 0 |
| 23:15.01 | DawnLight | how can i search backports? |
| 23:15.11 | Mathiazz | nothing happen on boot |
| 23:15.30 | Mathiazz | if i make a "mount /home", it works |
| 23:15.33 | Mathiazz | ??!!!! |
| 23:15.44 | wols_ | DawnLight: same way as any repo |
| 23:16.04 | DawnLight | wols_: can i do that without putting it in my sources.list? |
| 23:16.14 | wols_ | Mathiazz: there is no "auto" or "defaults" |
| 23:16.27 | wols_ | DawnLight: check bpo then |
| 23:16.48 | DawnLight | bpo doesn't have a search |
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| 23:16.49 | Mathiazz | wols: i have to had defaults? or auto? |
| 23:17.10 | wols_ | Mathiazz: man fstab |
| 23:17.18 | Mathiazz | oki |
| 23:18.48 | simonrvn | Mathiazz: you also need to configure kerberos... |
| 23:19.01 | Nyle | simonrvn: hola |
| 23:19.01 | Mathiazz | i am not using kerberos |
| 23:19.04 | simonrvn | Mathiazz: so if you don't know what that means, don't use nfsv4 |
| 23:19.11 | simonrvn | Nyle: hi |
| 23:19.23 | Nyle | whats going on |
| 23:19.53 | simonrvn | fucking box had a kernel panic, bug in some module... |
| 23:19.57 | Mathiazz | simonrvn :nfsv4 only works with kerberos? |
| 23:22.07 | steve__ | is it possible to resize an ext3 to be bigger? |
| 23:22.28 | streuner | (g)parted? |
| 23:22.41 | steve__ | yeah but gparted is not allowing me to make the partition bigger than it is now |
| 23:22.43 | streuner | make a backup first |
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| 23:22.49 | steve__ | even though there is about 4 GB of unallocated space |
| 23:22.51 | maxamillion | can ext3 be resized? |
| 23:23.05 | steve__ | it lets me shrink it, not enlarge |
| 23:23.16 | maxamillion | huh ... interesting |
| 23:23.23 | maxamillion | no idea |
| 23:23.42 | maxamillion | maybe try cfdisk (but again, like streuner said, backup first) |
| 23:24.21 | steve__ | cfdisk? |
| 23:24.29 | steve__ | not sure i know how to use |
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| 23:25.27 | maxamillion | steve__: its really easy, it has an ncurses interface for the cli ... relatively self explanitory once you get into it |
| 23:25.47 | steve__ | ok |
| 23:25.48 | steve__ | problem |
| 23:25.54 | steve__ | i dont have anything to back up to |
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| 23:26.09 | steve__ | why might my data be destroyed? |
| 23:26.09 | andrea | hi to all |
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| 23:27.21 | andrea | just installed a fresh etch netinst, and i realized that many ncurses based apps like kismet and iptraf are totally messed up when launched in text mode |
| 23:27.30 | andrea | anyone got hints about that? |
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| 23:28.00 | steve__ | ?????? |
| 23:28.13 | maxamillion | steve__: well, if the program just re-writes to your partition table then everything should be fine ... but in the event it completely erases the partition and constructs a new one then everything goes bye bye |
| 23:28.34 | andrea | Some other apps are ok, like elinks, mc and this irc client that i am using atm |
| 23:28.38 | steve__ | maxamillion: well is there a way to find out before i do it |
| 23:28.59 | andrea | It doesnt depends on the framebuffer if it can help. Any kind of help is appreciated |
| 23:29.02 | steve__ | maxamillion: cause its like 75 GB worth of stuff on there i dont have anywhere to put it |
| 23:29.08 | maxamillion | steve__: uhmm... not that i know of, you might want to check some forums or maybe the partition programs website and read in the documentation |
| 23:30.35 | steve__ | maxamillion: Maximize disk usage of the current partition. This command will recover the the unused space between the partition table and the beginning of the partition, but at the cost of making the partition incompatible with DOS, OS/2 and possibly other operating systems. This option will toggle between maximal disk usage and DOS, OS/2, etc. compatible disk usage. The default when creating a partition is to create DOS, OS/2, etc. compatible |
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| 23:30.50 | DawnLight | how about renaming experimental to unstable, unstable to testing, testing to stable or tested and stable to rock-solid? |
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| 23:31.04 | steve__ | maxamillion: is that what i should be looking to use |
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| 23:31.46 | DustyBin | DawnLight: how about renaming Dawnlight to DickLight? |
| 23:32.00 | abrotman | DustyBin: that's inappropriate |
| 23:32.11 | DustyBin | sorry :-S |
| 23:32.52 | mentor | !abrotman++ |
| 23:32.59 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 23:33.17 | DustyBin | he did! |
| 23:33.24 | DawnLight | !ahimsa |
| 23:33.24 | dpkg | i heard ahimsa is a Sanskrit term meaning nonviolence (literally: the avoidance of violence - himsa). It is an important tenet of the religions that originated in ancient India (Hinduism, Buddhism, and especially Jainism). Ahimsa is a rule of conduct that bars the killing or injuring of living beings. It is closely connected with the notion that all kinds of violence entail negative karmic consequences. |
| 23:33.42 | DawnLight | DustyBin^ |
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| 23:34.02 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 23:34.02 | steve__ | oh wait i got it |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | DawnLight: tell someone about foo |
| 23:34.08 | steve__ | i had to have gparted 'move' the used space over |
| 23:34.10 | steve__ | then resize it |
| 23:34.14 | spq | hm i have a problem, i just upgraded a machine and now the ssh daemon doesnt say anything... |
| 23:34.24 | spq | http://rafb.net/p/5PK5L846.html |
| 23:34.34 | DawnLight | next time |
| 23:35.06 | DawnLight | violence should be dealt with socialy |
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| 23:36.27 | maxamillion | spq: did you try doing a '/etc/init.d/sshd restart' as root on the machine that you did the upgrade to? |
| 23:37.02 | spq | if i could i would have done so :) |
| 23:37.28 | spq | just have remote access |
| 23:37.36 | maxamillion | spq: oh ... nice |
| 23:37.50 | maxamillion | spq: if you don't have physical access to the machine ... there really isn't a whole lot that can be done |
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| 23:38.37 | spq | yea, ill call someone whos there and let him connect a kvmip switch |
| 23:38.57 | maxamillion | spq: okies :) |
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| 23:46.13 | Yggdrasil | hello, my udev is broken, can somone help me load my drivers manually... |
| 23:47.19 | streuner | howso? |
| 23:47.34 | streuner | udev is fine, usually |
| 23:47.40 | juanddperez | hey ppl.. does some1 know where can I find a live-helper tutorial? |
| 23:47.50 | streuner | a what? |
| 23:48.05 | juanddperez | i got the man pages :P |
| 23:48.08 | juanddperez | thanks anyway.. |
| 23:48.12 | streuner | hm |
| 23:48.36 | streuner | there are plenty of docs in Debian online |
| 23:48.38 | juanddperez | streuner: do you know where can I get the monodevelop packages?? |
| 23:49.08 | andrea | anyone have idead about my ncursed issue? |
| 23:49.14 | streuner | hell, isnt mono already in Debian? |
| 23:49.19 | Nyle | !info mono etch |
| 23:49.22 | andrea | *ideas |
| 23:49.25 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.2.2.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 23:49.42 | streuner | search for mono dev packages |
| 23:49.49 | Nyle | streuner: hi |
| 23:49.55 | streuner | hi |
| 23:49.57 | juanddperez | yes, mono is, but.. MonoDevelop |
| 23:50.03 | juanddperez | isnt |
| 23:50.03 | Nyle | yes it is also |
| 23:50.08 | juanddperez | really? |
| 23:50.10 | juanddperez | where? |
| 23:50.15 | Nyle | just search dude, I know I've used mono develop on debian |
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| 23:50.33 | juanddperez | but, you found on .deb packages or the source? |
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| 23:51.48 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/monodevelop |
| 23:51.55 | juanddperez | ok Nyle, im gonna search.. thanks.. but I've searched and didnt get anything, but it wasnt a deeps earch |
| 23:52.14 | Nyle | hmm, mono develop doesn't seem to be here |
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| 23:52.28 | maxamillion | does nobody but me see the link that abrotman pasted? |
| 23:52.40 | maxamillion | you keep talking about trying to find it ... |
| 23:52.56 | juanddperez | it's unstable.. that's what I mean.. |
| 23:53.01 | juanddperez | I'm a newbie on Debian.. |
| 23:53.08 | juanddperez | and I need someother packages.. |
| 23:53.22 | Nyle | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/monodevelop |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/m/monodevelop/ |
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| 23:54.46 | Nyle | juanddperez: check backports |
| 23:54.47 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 23:54.47 | dpkg | somebody said backports.org was an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 23:54.58 | Nyle | !tell juanddperez simple sid backport |
| 23:54.59 | maxamillion | juanddperez: if you find it in testing or unstable and not for stable, always check backports |
| 23:55.14 | Nyle | !tell juanddperez -about simple sid backport |
| 23:55.57 | juanddperez | thanks to all ! ! ! |
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| 23:59.34 | jahshua | hello, i have a couple of commands that i need to run at boot time, i am bot really too familiar with how to make initscripts and such, could anyone help me out please? |
