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| 00:01.25 | maxamillion | jahshua: check out the file /etc/init.d/skeleton it is a basic layout for making an init script and then you will need to edit one of your rcX.d (X being the rc number) to include the script you created |
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| 00:01.42 | jahshua | thanks maxamillion. |
| 00:03.26 | maxamillion | jahshua: anytime :) |
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| 00:05.03 | juanddperez | thanks dpkg, Nyle I'm on this.. |
| 00:05.03 | dpkg | juanddperez: de nada |
| 00:05.21 | juanddperez | ;-) |
| 00:05.44 | steve__ | hi, i just installed a new hard disk into my server yet the directory its mounted on suddenly became owned as root. how do i make users be able to write to it? |
| 00:06.35 | n3kl | is there a quick tool I can use to find out the bitrate of an audio file from the command line? |
| 00:07.28 | Guerin | n3kl: file sometimes tells you. some sort of media player and a well-crafted grep will do it |
| 00:07.42 | Guerin | the answer is `it depends on the format' |
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| 00:11.49 | xlotlu | would it be trollish to submit a "you're way behind upstream with the packaging" bug? |
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| 00:12.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:12.44 | maxamillion | xlotlu: extremely |
| 00:12.50 | streuner | !blairsmite cafuego |
| 00:12.56 | abrotman | there are wishlist bugs .. and i'm sure DD knows |
| 00:13.03 | num000 | i need a perl tool named Geo::IP how can i install this, is this a normal debian package or do i have to install it somehow different? |
| 00:13.26 | maxamillion | xlotlu: it would not only be trollish, but it would be ignorant ... you should look into the devel and testing process of the debian community before making such statements |
| 00:13.30 | abrotman | !info dh-make-perl etch |
| 00:13.31 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.25 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 00:14.02 | num000 | abrotman is this information for me? |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:14.10 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 00:14.15 | num000 | what do i have to do with this? |
| 00:14.26 | streuner | if its not in Debian --> CPAN |
| 00:14.29 | num000 | now i know dh-make-perl |
| 00:14.35 | num000 | how do i work with cpan_ |
| 00:14.46 | Guerin | use dh-make-perl |
| 00:14.50 | streuner | dh-make-perl makes Debian packages out of CPAN |
| 00:14.51 | Guerin | don't use cpan directly |
| 00:15.13 | num000 | so do i need to install dh-make-perl? |
| 00:15.32 | streuner | omg |
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| 00:15.45 | streuner | if you asking such questions, ask somebody who do that for you |
| 00:16.01 | num000 | ok |
| 00:16.32 | num000 | Cannot open ./Makefile.PL: No such file or directory |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | dh-make-perl has documentation |
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| 00:17.27 | num000 | but for this tool i need to have the sources for Geo::IP |
| 00:17.32 | num000 | which i havent |
| 00:18.18 | num000 | is this a comunity where newcommers are not welcome? |
| 00:18.35 | streuner | nah |
| 00:19.09 | streuner | this is rather a comunity who wont build your CPAN packages and maybe the depended packages for you ;-) |
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| 00:19.33 | num000 | streuner did i ask you to build any package? |
| 00:19.42 | streuner | nah |
| 00:19.57 | streuner | not that much experiences |
| 00:20.08 | streuner | rather a DD |
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| 00:20.46 | num000 | is streuner human or a bot? he just talks with letters like DD, nah etc |
| 00:21.01 | streuner | DebianDeveloper |
| 00:21.08 | num000 | ahh |
| 00:21.35 | num000 | is there a list, where all these shortcodes are? |
| 00:21.44 | num000 | maybe i will understand you then much better |
| 00:22.21 | maxamillion | num000: not really, you just pick them up as you go |
| 00:22.34 | abrotman | baseball!!!!! |
| 00:22.35 | streuner | look via google and use as second word "Debian" :-) |
| 00:22.39 | maxamillion | or atleast not that i know of ... it is however possible someone compiled a list on a wiki somwhere |
| 00:23.09 | num000 | ahhh google! with debian |
| 00:23.15 | num000 | that is intelligent |
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| 00:23.52 | maxamillion | yes, google (as you will quickly learn) is your friend |
| 00:24.00 | cafuego | !penixsmite streuner |
| 00:24.12 | cafuego | wtf! |
| 00:24.19 | cafuego | !petasmite streuner |
| 00:24.25 | cafuego | oops |
| 00:24.30 | streuner | cafuego: language control surely remove the cmd. |
| 00:24.46 | cafuego | Oh, language control got to #debian? |
| 00:24.58 | streuner | for apt at least :-) |
| 00:24.59 | cafuego | I need to go and fry some aviary bacon |
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| 00:26.01 | streuner | !factinfo cmd. penixsmite (.*?) |
| 00:26.01 | dpkg | streuner: there's no such factoid as cmd. penixsmite (.*?) |
| 00:26.13 | simonrvn | !literal CMD: petasmite (.*?) |
| 00:26.13 | dpkg | "cmd: petasmite (.*?)" is "<action> rapes Dictato with a struggling rattlesnake" |
| 00:26.16 | num000 | your suggested tool says that there might be a dependency |
| 00:26.18 | num000 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Module/Depends/Intrusive.pm line 76. |
| 00:26.22 | simonrvn | lame |
| 00:26.30 | num000 | how do i find out on what this depends? |
| 00:26.46 | streuner | yeah, we need the good old cmds back :-) |
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| 00:27.17 | streuner | well, you need the package and see at the error :-) |
| 00:27.28 | streuner | s/need/create/ |
| 00:27.38 | simonrvn | !no petasmite $1 is <action>rapes $1 with a (struggling|mangy|hairy) (rattlesnake|badger|cougar) |
| 00:27.38 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 00:27.55 | simonrvn | !petasmite streuner |
| 00:28.05 | simonrvn | !literal CMD: petasmite (.*?) |
| 00:28.05 | dpkg | "cmd: petasmite (.*?)" is "($1): <action>rapes $1 with a (struggling|mangy|hairy) (rattlesnake|badger|cougar)" |
| 00:28.18 | n3kl | Is it possible to have mplayer print just the header informationa and not actually play the file? |
| 00:28.30 | Guerin | n3kl: man mplayer |
| 00:28.47 | streuner | simonrvn: i would use some other cmd. for you, but it wouldnt fit for you :-) |
| 00:28.57 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 00:29.02 | streuner | :-) |
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| 00:35.03 | n_np | is there a kde control panel for apache applications? |
| 00:35.15 | streuner | a what? |
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| 00:35.24 | stru | Hello, it is only to me or someone has the same experience? using firefox2 + adobe flash does not work well with me, when I change to another tag listen for example youtube it stops 'one second', but using firefox1 with adobe flash all works correct, someone has the same behavior? thanks :), it's firefox1 better? |
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| 00:35.46 | num000 | when i do dh-make-perl will this install the package for me after dh-make-perl Geo::IP |
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| 00:37.54 | n_np | how can i check where a package installed too? |
| 00:38.15 | streuner | n_np: dpkg -L <package> |
| 00:38.22 | streuner | read man dpkg |
| 00:38.47 | num000 | i've a tool which says Error: Can't locate Geo/IP/PurePerl.pm |
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| 00:38.59 | num000 | in order to solve this i installed geoip |
| 00:39.25 | num000 | then i installed dh-make-perl |
| 00:39.34 | streuner | sure, you have to create that package then |
| 00:39.38 | briansk1 | num000: i think you need to instal a C library for Geo::IP |
| 00:39.42 | num000 | with this i did look for Geo::IP |
| 00:39.44 | briansk1 | at least, that's how i do it |
| 00:39.46 | num000 | briansk1 which one? |
| 00:40.04 | num000 | briansk1 the dev package? |
| 00:40.07 | num000 | i did install this |
| 00:40.30 | streuner | you need the fucking package |
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| 00:40.52 | num000 | streuner yes, i know, yes, but how where ? ohh and before you write google, i asked him |
| 00:41.36 | streuner | well, go to #debian.de (OFTC) tomorrow and ask "HE", but dont tell anybody... |
| 00:42.01 | num000 | HE? |
| 00:42.09 | streuner | his nick |
| 00:42.37 | streuner | maint. (formally) of dh-make-perl ;-) |
| 00:42.44 | num000 | ohhh kurt? is it you! god, they told me to look after YOU |
| 00:42.56 | streuner | haha |
| 00:42.59 | streuner | Who? :-) |
| 00:43.04 | num000 | they said you are the specialist, you are the god |
| 00:43.09 | num000 | you are the greatest |
| 00:43.10 | Guerin | they lied |
| 00:43.13 | num000 | no no |
| 00:43.16 | num000 | they are right |
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| 00:43.21 | num000 | streuner is the greatest |
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| 00:43.36 | streuner | Guerin: you tell sometimes the truth, but sometimes a lot of BS |
| 00:43.39 | num000 | no no, look how he knows those guys? called HE? |
| 00:43.46 | num000 | streuner must be a genius |
| 00:44.04 | streuner | num000: we trying to help you, dont flame us |
| 00:44.05 | num000 | Guerin: how can you tell he isn't. please! |
| 00:44.20 | num000 | streuner, no you are not helping, thats the first, and the second is i don't flame you |
| 00:44.43 | abrotman | num000: would it be easier for you to get help in your native language ? |
| 00:45.15 | num000 | maybe that would be an idea, but i think the problem is not resulting out of the language at the moment, is it? |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | well .. dh-make-perl has documentation |
| 00:45.46 | streuner | sure, because you just ignore what we trying to tell you |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 00:45.53 | abrotman | !info libgeo-ip-perl etch |
| 00:46.00 | streuner | oh |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | !info libgeo-ip-perl lenn |
| 00:46.04 | abrotman | !info libgeo-ip-perl lenny |
| 00:46.09 | dpkg | libgeo-ip-perl: (Perl bindings for GeoIP library), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.27-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | guess it' snot in etch |
| 00:46.33 | num000 | yes abrotman you are right, i'm sure it has documentation, i would probaply need this tool once in my life to get seomthing dependent to it to work. is it that difficult to maybe give two or three sentence of help for it? |
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| 00:46.50 | Guerin | streuner: i won't deny that for one moment ;) |
| 00:46.57 | streuner | num000: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:46.58 | SeanConnery | hi, when I use the 386 installer, debian netinst detects my disk, with the amd64, it doesn't... |
| 00:47.04 | SeanConnery | any ideas why? |
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| 00:47.10 | streuner | !abrotman++ |
| 00:47.39 | andrea | quit |
| 00:47.41 | andrea | exit |
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| 00:50.38 | briansk1 | SeanConnery: mebbe there is no 64 bit version of your disk controller? |
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| 00:50.57 | Tramp | num000: You may need Geo::IP::PurePerl, if I understand your error-message correctly |
| 00:51.04 | SeanConnery | briansk1, would that not suck immensely for me then... |
| 00:51.13 | SeanConnery | briansk1, I'm going to guess that those are binary blobs then... |
| 00:51.20 | num000 | Tramp thank you very much. i will look after it now |
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| 00:52.22 | briansk1 | SeanConnery: mebbe, just idle speculation |
| 00:52.31 | briansk1 | boot to x86 and find out what driver is being used |
| 00:54.08 | SeanConnery | briansk1, I did, then I tried to load the same driver in the 64-bit world, no dice.. |
| 00:54.18 | SeanConnery | or atleast what i thought was the same driver... |
| 00:54.18 | wols_ | use a later kernel than the one in etch |
| 00:54.37 | briansk1 | SeanConnery: what's the driver in question? |
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| 00:55.09 | claudio` | What's the default uxterm font? |
| 00:55.14 | SeanConnery | briansk1, I tried to load ide_core and a whole bunch of its friends that were loaded on the x86 installer |
| 00:55.27 | SeanConnery | wols_, I am using "testing" |
| 00:55.29 | SeanConnery | is that etch? |
| 00:56.27 | briansk1 | testing from when? |
| 00:57.50 | SeanConnery | briansk1, today? |
| 00:59.52 | SeanConnery | I just downloaded it from the site this aft |
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| 01:02.28 | num000 | dh-make-perl --cpan Geo::IP::PurePerl installs files in my home directory, is the package then installed so that perl finds it himself? |
| 01:02.54 | P_Kable | is there a tool to convert an img file to an iso file please ? |
| 01:03.24 | PotataChipz | hello all. I am having some trouble getting X working. I'm getting a "Fatal server error:/ no screens found." I've checked xorg.conf and the Screen section is defined and contains reasonable resolutions. I've pasted my Xorg.0.log here: http://pastebin.com/d5356cf15 . Any ideas? |
| 01:03.52 | streuner | !noscreensfound |
| 01:03.53 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 01:03.56 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 01:03.59 | Guerin | argh |
| 01:04.02 | Guerin | !beer streuner |
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| 01:04.13 | streuner | nah, i have my wine here ;-) |
| 01:04.15 | yassine | eveing everyone |
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| 01:04.43 | streuner | P_Kable: img are usually the same like isos |
| 01:05.28 | yassine | i'm trying to tar a directory across the network to a second machin using the following command: tar cvf - ./data3 | ssh -l yassine 192.168.2.2 "dd of=/cygwin/f/linux" and i do not get prompted for a password |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | PotataChipz: does your system have internet ? |
| 01:05.37 | streuner | but you surely look for img2iso :-) |
| 01:05.39 | yassine | and the whole process does not start at all |
| 01:06.12 | PotataChipz | abrotman: I haven't attempted accessing anythong online, I don't know |
| 01:06.28 | abrotman | PotataChipz: try it .. `update-pciids` .. let me know what happens |
| 01:06.41 | abrotman | PotataChipz: alternately .. try the vesa driver with your nvidia card |
| 01:07.21 | PotataChipz | abrotman: thanks, will do. Back in a bit. |
| 01:07.42 | P_Kable | well in that case streuner do you know how to make an img file recognizable for virtualbox ? I tried renaming in .iso but there is a fatalboot error |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | PotataChipz: also .. there are CLI IRC clients |
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| 01:08.07 | P_Kable | PotataChipz=> irsee |
| 01:08.09 | frankr | how can I do a search in files in a directory? like search for the string "hi" in all files in a dir |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | man grep |
| 01:08.20 | streuner | P_Kable: file foo.img |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | P_Kable: irssi ? |
| 01:08.38 | P_Kable | oups yep |
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| 01:09.30 | PotataChipz | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:09.36 | streuner | irssi? |
| 01:09.51 | abrotman | !marry streuner |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | oh wait ... |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | !date streuner |
| 01:10.05 | abrotman | i give up |
| 01:10.09 | P_Kable | streuner=> file tiger-x86-flat.img |
| 01:10.09 | P_Kable | tiger-x86-flat.img: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xaf, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 12581793 sectors |
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| 01:11.49 | streuner | OSX, oh |
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| 01:13.48 | streuner | so he want use install OSX on his virtual box (vmware) |
| 01:13.57 | streuner | *shakes his head* |
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| 01:19.37 | stiv2k | any reason why a hard drive i *just* formatted as ext3 reports being 180 MB used up? shouldnt it be empty? |
| 01:19.43 | streuner | fuck, is there any question which isnt asked in #debian at all? |
| 01:20.03 | abrotman | stiv2k: it's been formatted |
| 01:20.25 | stiv2k | abrotman: so formatting a disk takes up space like that? |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | AIUI .. yes |
| 01:20.57 | stiv2k | AIUI=? |
| 01:21.01 | dakoo | how long i need to put these corn ears in the oven? and at what heat? |
| 01:21.12 | stiv2k | lol |
| 01:21.20 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:21.50 | shogunx | we can only support that if your oven is running etch or better :) |
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| 01:26.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | hey all. is it possable to edit an email a debian list email goes to, or do i have to bulk unsubscribe then resubscribe? |
| 01:26.52 | rhsanborn | wols, if you're still around, kmuto appears to be working wonderfully on my laptop, ty |
| 01:27.02 | juanddperez | hey, in live-helper.. what do I have to do to set the sources path where the lh_build take them.. I want it to get from the DVDs not from the internet...... |
| 01:27.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | juanddperez, asking #debian-live on oftc would probably be the go |
| 01:27.48 | streuner | Kamping_Kaiser: just use the second option :-) |
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| 01:28.18 | juanddperez | ok thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
| 01:28.33 | DawnLight | hahaha |
| 01:28.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | streuner, unsub then resub? :( |
| 01:29.07 | streuner | why not? |
| 01:29.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm subscribed to a dozen lists. i was hoping there might be a nicer way |
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| 01:31.14 | PotataChipz | abrotman: I could successfully update-pciids, but it changed nothing. Can you tell me a bit more about using vesa drivers in place of nvidia? |
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| 01:32.36 | abrotman | PotataChipz: lspci | grep VGA .. what does it return ? |
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| 01:34.27 | PotataChipz | ah, before I begin this circle of boots again, the command irssi was not found. I don't seem to have links either. What should I do? |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | PotataChipz: aptitude install irssi |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | and aptitude install links or links2 |
| 01:35.54 | PotataChipz | abrotman: thanks much for your help. Hopefully I'll talk to you on the other side |
| 01:36.00 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 01:36.19 | Azar | turning abrotman on the other side? |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | what .. |
| 01:36.35 | abrotman | i don't want to know |
| 01:36.35 | Azar | the kinder side |
| 01:36.39 | LV-426 | is it possible to have a separate gateway defined for eth0:1 & eth0:2 (two ips held by the same physical nic) ? |
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| 01:37.51 | Azar | no kidding my box is up now for 21 days.. |
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| 01:38.31 | linux_jones | so i have an old mobo that dosent support huge hard drives ( i think its max is 32 gig) does this apply to external hard drives as well? |
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| 01:39.32 | abrotman | it wouldn't be 32GB |
| 01:40.15 | linux_jones | abrotman, do you by chance know what it is? |
| 01:40.36 | abrotman | uhm .. 132GB i think |
| 01:44.02 | cafuego_ | linux_jones: If it's *REALLY* old it might be 32Gb, in which case maybe check jumper settings on the mobo. |
| 01:44.16 | cafuego_ | linux_jones: a $25 ide card will make that problem go away, though. |
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| 01:46.52 | daveinthesky | LV-426: here's an example (as root): ifconfig eth0:1 10.0.0.1 ; route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0:1 |
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| 01:48.45 | stef_ | can I please get some help regarding cron ? |
| 01:48.52 | stef_ | I just made a file in /etc/cron.d |
| 01:48.57 | stef_ | and made crontab thatfile |
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| 01:49.04 | stef_ | and I still don't see any activity |
| 01:49.12 | stef_ | I made it as the format in the manual says it should be |
| 01:49.31 | hodolo | hi. do you use email application on your local operating system or you're using webmail accounts? |
| 01:49.51 | LV-426 | daveinthesky, yup, though was hoping for a /etc/network/interfaces solution but adding a gw line for each interface only yields three default gw routes ... |
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| 01:50.28 | linux_jones | cafuego, whats this card called? just an pci ide card? |
| 01:50.36 | cafuego | linux_jones: yeah |
| 01:50.42 | stef_ | LV-426: what does adding a gw line do ? |
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| 01:52.14 | LV-426 | stef_, i simply tried to add a gateway line for each interface ie eth0:2 ,eth0:1 etc, but they all set up a default route for eth0 |
| 01:52.37 | stef_ | LV-426: maybe some daemon is doing this |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | stef_: what's the name of the file ? |
| 01:52.49 | stef_ | abrotman: /etc/cron.d/test |
| 01:53.05 | stef_ | abrotman: 1-59 * * * * stef echo echo "uite-asa" |
| 01:53.05 | stef_ | 1-59 * * * * stef echo xterm |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | echo echo ? |
| 01:53.20 | stef_ | abrotman: this is the content |
| 01:53.27 | stef_ | abrotman: sorry |
| 01:53.40 | stef_ | abrotman: anyways it should have worked |
| 01:53.52 | stef_ | abrotman: also I expected the xterm to work ... |
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| 01:54.54 | abrotman | !tell PotataChipz about root |
| 01:55.28 | stef_ | abrotman: dude help me please |
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| 01:57.50 | abrotman | stef_: what if you run it as root ? |
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| 01:59.25 | rtmex | Hi all, does someone know if in the DVD's of Debiasn etch can be found an Ansi C Manual? |
| 01:59.53 | interbird | rtmex: ? |
| 02:00.01 | abrotman | rtmex: you mean the GCC manual ? |
| 02:00.23 | rtmex | I mean a manual for the C Languaje, not for the GCC compiler |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | i don't think so .. i think you have ot pay for that |
| 02:01.11 | rtmex | Well, I ask because I see there manuals for Phyton, Perl, and others |
| 02:01.19 | stef_ | abrotman: no luck |
| 02:01.31 | interbird | rtmex: Ansi C is Ansi C, there are docs on the net for that; no direct relation to Debian or GCC though... |
| 02:01.50 | stef_ | abrotman: no luck |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | stef_: try something like "touch /tmp/testfile" |
| 02:02.17 | rtmex | interbird: I know :), but Perl, Phyton, etc, are not debian specific either |
| 02:02.25 | ameyer | isn't ANSI C the standard that GCC sort of almost implements? |
| 02:02.41 | abrotman | it is .. but IIRC .. the C99 standard isn't free to get a copy |
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| 02:02.49 | interbird | rtmex: so, can you state your question a bit more specific please ? |
| 02:02.53 | Tramp | stef_: echo from cron? Did you check the log, because that is where the stdout goes. |
| 02:04.21 | rtmex | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.29 | rtmex | interbird: You already answered it , the questions was if there's an Ansi C Manual in the Debian's 3 DVD set |
| 02:04.41 | interbird | Debian is an operating-system, ANSI is a standard institute, like ISO and C is a programming-language |
| 02:04.42 | rtmex | Thanks, I just said it's weird (for me) |
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| 02:04.54 | rtmex | I know |
| 02:05.22 | rtmex | Phyton and Perl are also langajes, and there's manuals on the debians DVD :) |
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| 02:05.40 | Tramp | well, actually it gets mailed, but I can't tell him anymore. |
| 02:05.49 | interbird | No compiler implemements ANSI C to the full |
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| 02:06.16 | Yggdr4sil | hello, i ran an update on my debian sid, and it updated to udev, but didnt update the kernel, i rebooted and my network wont load up. can somone help me manuly laod up the network card ? |
| 02:06.32 | rtmex | interbird: Ok, well, the GCC manual you said, talks about C or just the GCC compiler? |
| 02:07.28 | Yggdr4sil | lspci shows it as a advanced micro devices [amd] 79c970 pcnet 32 lance rev 16 |
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| 02:08.31 | interbird | rtmex: It talks about the GCC implementation of C trying to adhere to the ANSI standard. GCC is a Peer and ANSI is fruit; (metaphoricly spoken...) |
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| 02:09.14 | rtmex | I see, what's the package in debian for that manual? |
| 02:09.24 | PotataChipz | *cough* ...can I send messages now? |
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| 02:09.44 | yggdrasil | hello, i ran an update on my debian sid, and it updated to udev, but didnt update the kernel, i rebooted and my network wont load up. can somone help me manuly laod up the network card ? |
| 02:09.47 | yggdrasil | lspci shows it as a advanced micro devices [amd] 79c970 pcnet 32 lance rev 16 |
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| 02:10.12 | Gonzi | what MTA do you recomend me ? (sendmail, postfix, exim..others) |
| 02:10.44 | yggdrasil | exim |
| 02:10.45 | Maliuta | Gonzi: telnet |
| 02:10.56 | Maliuta | learn smtp |
| 02:10.59 | interbird | rtmex: -doc packages ususally contain manuals; command: apt-cache search|grep doc|grep -i ansi |
| 02:11.13 | ameyer | Debian uses exim by default |
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| 02:11.31 | rtmex | interbird: Thanks |
| 02:11.39 | ameyer | on the other hand, Ubuntu use postfix by default, I think |
| 02:11.43 | PotataChipz | it appears so. Took me long enough to notice that. abrotman: the command 'lscpi | grep VGA' tells me "VGA compatible controller: nVidia corporation Quadro NVS 140M (rev a1)" |
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| 02:11.58 | ameyer | it's probably a matter of personal preference |
| 02:11.59 | yggdrasil | lspci shows it as a advanced micro devices [amd] 79c970 pcnet 32 lance rev 16 can i modprobe it |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | PotataChipz: uhm .. i'm not sure the nvidia binary driver supports that |
| 02:12.47 | Gonzi | ameyer, yes, but I think there is more Howto's for postfix than exim4 |
| 02:12.49 | PotataChipz | abrotman: thanks for sending me info on root. Did NOT mean to try and irc as root |
| 02:12.54 | interbird | rtmex: apt-cache search doc|grep doc|grep -i ansi |
| 02:13.29 | rtmex | Ok |
| 02:13.30 | PotataChipz | abrotman: so... do I need a new driver, or am I just screwed? |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | did the vesa driver work ? |
| 02:14.06 | Gonzi | I would like to use exim4, because it's the debian's default mta |
| 02:14.06 | ameyer | I'd say stay with the default unless you have a good reason not to |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | exim or postfix |
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| 02:14.35 | PotataChipz | abrotman: I'm quite a noob; can you direct me to info on how to install other drivers? |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | !drxx PotataChipz |
| 02:14.47 | dpkg | PotataChipz: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 02:15.03 | PotataChipz | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:15.18 | yggdrasil | abrotman did you see the problem im having ? |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | no |
| 02:15.28 | yggdrasil | hello, i ran an update on my debian sid, and it updated to udev, but didnt update the kernel, i rebooted and my network wont load up. can somone help me manuly laod up the network card ? |
| 02:15.34 | yggdrasil | lspci shows it as a advanced micro devices [amd] 79c970 pcnet 32 lance rev 16 can i modprobe it |
| 02:15.49 | DawnLight | i think fleas can die of boredom |
| 02:15.50 | interbird | rtmex: but, ifyou want to know more about c or ansi, google or wikipedia have online answers... |
| 02:16.00 | yggdrasil | so basicly if i can get it on the network in can install the neweer kernel or someting |
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| 02:20.15 | abrotman | yggdrasil: load the driver manually ... and then restart your netowrking .. maybe |
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| 02:23.37 | yggdrasil | bah nope, |
| 02:23.39 | yggdrasil | still just lo |
| 02:23.41 | yggdrasil | sucks |
| 02:23.43 | yggdrasil | ill have tor einstall |
| 02:23.44 | yggdrasil | bbl |
| 02:26.20 | PotataChipz | abrotman: sorry to bother you again, but... I can find the vesa drivers; how do I install them? |
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| 02:26.42 | abrotman | they shold be installed already |
| 02:26.56 | stef_ | abrotman: I want to start some applicatons at start of kde,where do I open config file to do that ? |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | NFC .. i don't use kde |
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| 02:28.49 | stef_ | abrotman: .kde/Autostart ? |
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| 02:29.18 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use kde |
| 02:29.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | I have a install of Debian stable (worked fine) and then I installed Windows 98 (worked not so fine) I did it in this order so I could part with debian figuring I could go fix the MBR later. However now I have tried both Knoppic and Ubuntu and they don`t see my sata drive. Can I use the net install disk for debian to redo grub without reinstalling? What else could I try? |
| 02:29.38 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 02:29.38 | dpkg | rescue is probably at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 02:30.50 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: you could try sit with Debian GNU/Linux instead of fiddling with ubuntus |
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| 02:32.44 | DawnLight | i've decided to go ahead and start the irrigation controller backend project. i'm writing everything i can now and will look for a programmer when i'm finished! |
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| 02:33.07 | PotataChipz | abrotman: wait, hah, this was getting lost in the help dpkg was giving me. doing 'dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg' says dpkg: need an action option |
| 02:33.12 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, I am going back and forth ATM... I would not want to use Ubuntu myself (in this case I just had a live CD around so I figured I would try it) but it seems nice for new users.... I was kinda let down after installing Ubuntu on my Dads laptop for him though.... |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | PotataChipz: dpkg-reconfigure .. the - is important |
| 02:33.24 | yggdrasil | abrotman |
| 02:33.31 | yggdrasil | i dont know why i put sid on there to begin with |
| 02:33.33 | DawnLight | should i open a sourceforge project? |
| 02:33.42 | yggdrasil | honeslty i dont eve know why the hell it has debian |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | neither do we |
| 02:33.47 | yggdrasil | its a 166 with 32 mb of ram |
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| 02:33.57 | abrotman | DawnLight: depends .. do other people have this sprikler controller ? |
| 02:34.02 | yggdrasil | i dont even "how" the hell igot it on there |
| 02:34.11 | PotataChipz | abrotman: :( I fail. AND I just now figured out how to scroll up to re-read what you said :\ |
| 02:34.15 | yggdrasil | i tried to do a hd install and it crapped out about memory |
| 02:34.17 | PotataChipz | abrotman: thanks. |
| 02:34.18 | DawnLight | other people do have this thing, abrotman |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | DawnLight: you can try i guess |
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| 02:35.03 | DawnLight | yey |
| 02:35.13 | DawnLight | !try |
| 02:35.13 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 02:35.31 | yggdrasil | whats the min hw requirements for deb ? |
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| 02:36.02 | DawnLight | such a radical |
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| 02:37.40 | yggdrasil | !hardware |
| 02:37.40 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 02:38.35 | DawnLight | i don't get that "hardware or sometware business" line |
| 02:38.44 | DawnLight | software |
| 02:40.21 | daveinthesky | it's trying to convey that hw mfgs could just focus on hw, open up their specs, and leave the sw bits (drivers) to the community |
| 02:40.34 | daveinthesky | at least that's my take |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:40.57 | DawnLight | like amd are now doing? |
| 02:41.28 | DawnLight | focus on the hardware... i like that |
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| 02:41.50 | simonrvn | daveinthesky: nice idea |
| 02:41.56 | DawnLight | i'm getting involved in testing linuxbios! :) |
| 02:42.28 | Gokee2_Laptop | In rescue mode it asks me for a device for the root file system. I am confused because it has 5 choices and I only made 4 parts... Is it counting the MBR or something? I did Win98, Debian, Space (fat32), Linux Swap So what one of the 5 choices would be the linux file system? |
| 02:42.32 | rhsanborn | Oy, this laptop is getting to be a pain. Had to use a newer kernel just to get the network drivers to install, and now, it doesn't have the right video drivers... |
| 02:42.45 | rhsanborn | Is there anyway to search for and install a newer set of nvidia drivers? |
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| 02:42.50 | royan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.10 | DawnLight | !tell rhsanborn about nvidia |
| 02:43.20 | rhsanborn | It looks like the set on kmuto doesn't include the Geforce Go 7150m by nvidia |
| 02:43.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | rhsanborn, Install the ones nvidia provides or do it the debian way and use m-a |
| 02:43.40 | Azar | rhsanborn: yeah lenny: better drivers , no nvidia support yet |
| 02:44.38 | rhsanborn | Gokee2_Laptop, whats m-a? |
| 02:45.31 | rhsanborn | Gokee2_Laptop, got to the module-assistant...reading it... |
| 02:45.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | rhsanborn, :) |
| 02:45.51 | Azar | dpkg where are you? |
| 02:45.51 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 02:45.57 | Azar | oh ok thanks |
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| 02:46.46 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:46.46 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 02:47.13 | Azar | so now seems to be some nvidia_post_etch |
| 02:47.53 | PotataChipz | abrotman: success! debian went straight into X after boot. Now it is time for sleep. Thanks so much for helping me out, I know I'm a big noob. |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | PotataChipz: tomorrow .. ask someone how to setup the nvidia drivers |
| 02:49.10 | PotataChipz | abrotman: will do, though, what is the disadvantage of vesa? |
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| 02:49.34 | abrotman | PotataChipz: no 3d hardware .. lower resolution |
| 02:49.47 | dondelelcaro | PotataChipz: tends also not to have acceleration or xv and similar things |
| 02:49.54 | dondelelcaro | PotataChipz: but it's pretty near bullet proof |
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| 02:50.17 | DawnLight | should the irrigation controller interface print "zone 1 closed" or just exit with status 0? |
| 02:50.17 | PotataChipz | abrotman and dondelelcaro: ah, okay |
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| 02:50.43 | Schalken | in aptitude, how do i get to the menubar at the top? |
| 02:50.46 | jello | anyone know how to diagnose why i'm not receiving GRE replies from the server when setting up a PPTP tunnel? |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | DawnLight: sounds like something that a conf file might have some say in |
| 02:50.58 | DawnLight | Schalken: F10 |
| 02:51.04 | Schalken | DawnLight: thanks :) |
| 02:51.05 | bonez44 | anyone know of a widget to find and eliminate unused locales? |
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| 02:51.55 | DawnLight | abrotman: i want it to evantually be a backend, and not used manually |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | it should still have a debug mode |
| 02:52.29 | jello | bonez44: localepurge looks apropos |
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| 02:52.58 | DawnLight | abrotman: what should the debug mode do? |
| 02:53.07 | bonez44 | jello: Danke! |
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| 02:53.39 | DawnLight | print every possible thing to stdout? |
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| 02:58.49 | rhsanborn | Are these drivers proprietary, and therefore not alowed in the default install, or are they just too difficult to roll into the instll easily? (Referring to nvidia setup) |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | nvidia is evil! .. |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | the drivers are non-free |
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| 02:59.22 | bonez44 | jello VERY helpful suggestion, thanks... |
| 02:59.29 | flyinprogramer | hey, i need help with some javascript, and the javascript channel is useless |
| 02:59.38 | rhsanborn | abrotman, eww....it's making my install a pita.... |
| 02:59.59 | rhsanborn | abrotman, is ati any better about it? |
| 03:00.03 | dalias | rhsanborn, complain to nvidia |
| 03:00.04 | Azar | they write crappy, buggy drivers, and not want to open/share the code so that others in the free software development group try to better them |
| 03:00.14 | flyinprogramer | http://foolishmoon.com/timer.html, you'll see that the timer resets when seconds equal -30, i want it to reset at 0, can someone read my source code and help? |
| 03:00.15 | abrotman | rhsanborn: only recently |
| 03:00.32 | dalias | both ati and nvidia can be used without proprietary drivers if you dont insist on playing proprietary video games and such... |
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| 03:00.43 | dalias | only the gl needs the proprietary drivers |
| 03:00.57 | rhsanborn | abrotman, I always though nvidia was easier to use in linux than ati...perhaps I haven't been up to do |
| 03:00.57 | dalias | normal 2d stuff works fine with the free 'nv' driver |
| 03:00.59 | rhsanborn | up to date |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | dalias: not for all cards |
| 03:01.31 | Azar | rhsanborn: the Debian version you installed , is not having a nvidia-the-debian-way installation |
| 03:01.43 | dalias | well if nothing else you can use vesafb :P |
| 03:02.04 | Azar | rhsanborn: not yet, maybe in few months |
| 03:02.14 | rhsanborn | rhsanborn likes 3d acceleration |
| 03:02.27 | dalias | for what? |
| 03:02.35 | dalias | if you want to play the latest gamez use windows |
| 03:02.38 | Azar | rhsanborn: well you should have had an older nvidia card then.... (2-3year old) |
| 03:02.43 | rhsanborn | games |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | Azar: why? |
| 03:03.25 | Azar | abrotman: I mis? understood that the latest nvidias are not yet working on Debian |
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| 03:03.38 | abrotman | only in etch |
| 03:03.46 | Azar | ah yes |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | and you can always use bpo or the drivers from nvidia.com i suppose |
| 03:04.03 | rhsanborn | abrotman, are they working in lenny? |
| 03:04.09 | Azar | he was forced to go on lenny because his network card also is too new, and he needed 2.6.22 kernel.. |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | rhsanborn: i don't know ... i don't buy nvidia junk |
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| 03:04.39 | rhsanborn | I'm using etch, with newer kernel |
| 03:04.45 | Azar | abrotman: what video card you use? |
| 03:05.00 | Azar | rhsanborn: oh yes? do the one-liner then |
| 03:05.03 | abrotman | on this machine .. intel |
| 03:05.19 | rhsanborn | speaking of junk |
| 03:05.22 | Azar | uh shared memory ? |
| 03:05.31 | abrotman | rhsanborn: at least i don't have to spend hours getting it to work .. |
| 03:05.31 | rhsanborn | Azar, one liner didn't work |
| 03:05.33 | Schalken | is there a way to search for a package without aptitude? |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | see |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | Schalken: apt-cache |
| 03:05.44 | rhsanborn | abrotman, but when it does work, it doesn't do much |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | rhsanborn: i'll take that every day over the crap nvidia makes you do |
| 03:06.04 | rhsanborn | It's like a pito owner gloating to a ferari owner about maintenance :P |
| 03:06.07 | dalias | abrotman, do intel cards have working 3d in the free driver? |
| 03:06.17 | rhsanborn | pito=pinto |
| 03:06.17 | Schalken | abrotman: ahh okay. how many apt-somethings are there? |
| 03:06.18 | abrotman | rhsanborn: no .. it's like a volvo owner gloating to a ferrari owner |
| 03:06.23 | Azar | rhsanborn: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list by adding non-free contrib at the end of each line there, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade and try one-liner again |
| 03:06.26 | abrotman | Schalken: apt-<tab><tab> |
| 03:06.31 | abrotman | dalias: yes |
| 03:06.35 | dalias | nice |
| 03:06.42 | dalias | i'll recommend intel cards then i suppose |
| 03:06.51 | Schalken | abrotman: hey, cool :D |
| 03:06.56 | Azar | intel cards? intel chips I guess? |
| 03:07.02 | dalias | intel-based |
| 03:07.23 | unilynx | Anyone in here experimented with the Linux BIOS project at all? |
| 03:07.33 | Schalken | abrotman: how come apt-cache isnt included in the apt howto? |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | uhm .. dunno |
| 03:07.54 | abrotman | unilynx: DawnLight apparently |
| 03:08.04 | Schalken | abrotman: is there another, more thorough apt reference i can use (that would have said to use apt-cache to look for packages) |
| 03:08.20 | abrotman | !manual |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:08.25 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 03:08.35 | abrotman | maybe one of those has a pointer |
| 03:09.03 | Schalken | abrotman: hmm, ill snoop the debian reference, thanks :) |
| 03:09.29 | Azar | Schalken: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:09.42 | DawnLight | unilynx: i've yet to have done anything about it but subscribe to the mailing list. i'm going to help out with testing on my abit kn9 ultra motherboard |
| 03:09.59 | Schalken | Azar: yeah, it seems that doesnt have anything about searching for packages |
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| 03:10.21 | Azar | Schalken: is just apt-cache search <package> |
| 03:10.29 | Azar | easy to remember |
| 03:10.35 | unilynx | DawnLight: Cool, I'm just really intrigued by it. I was interested in this a while back, but have been thinking more seriously about it lately. I'd like to find some boot time comparisons actually. |
| 03:10.49 | Schalken | Azar: yeah, i know now :P but where can i look to learn such things? |
| 03:11.13 | simonrvn | man apt |
| 03:11.15 | DawnLight | unilynx: #openbios |
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| 03:11.43 | unilynx | Thanks |
| 03:12.43 | Schalken | Azar: ah, found package management in the debian reference |
| 03:12.45 | Schalken | thanks guys |
| 03:12.58 | Azar | I don't know about apt, but I have aptitude installed and there is a cool manual on /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 03:13.44 | Schalken | Azar: i would use aptitude but ive been using apt-get and dpkg (the bot) says not to mix the two |
| 03:13.50 | Azar | Azar, duh aptitude just "comes" with Etch |
| 03:14.02 | abrotman | Azar: duh .. you're talking to yourself |
| 03:14.24 | Azar | Schalken: I use it when installing new kernels, dist-upgrade and other major things... |
| 03:14.29 | Azar | is more convenient for me |
| 03:14.39 | Azar | :) yes I do I do, abrotman |
| 03:15.06 | DawnLight | Azar: aptitude is best. don't hesitate to use it always |
| 03:15.06 | Azar | so Schalken since I started using it , yes I abandoned apt-get. |
| 03:15.23 | Azar | DawnLight: many seasoned users here won't agree with you |
| 03:15.32 | DawnLight | !aptitude |
| 03:15.32 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 03:16.08 | Schalken | how come i shouldnt mix the user of apt-get and aptitude? |
| 03:16.33 | DawnLight | yea how come? |
| 03:16.38 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'platform device'? Example 1: (Wikipedia) "Linux distributions including Debian GNU/Linux, MontaVista Linux, openSUSE, Yellow Dog Linux, Gentoo Linux and Crux PPC are also available for the Pegasos. Support for the Pegasos as a platform device has been integrated into the Linux kernel mainline as of kernel version 2.6.13. -- Example 2: (Device Manager) "Platform device (pcspkr)". |
| 03:16.44 | rhsanborn | abrotman, I defer, not sure I'm going to get this darn thing working |
| 03:16.47 | Azar | Schalken: because aptitude install all relatives, apt-get might not (not sure lately if was changed) so if you install with one, can't uninstall with the other and viceversa |
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| 03:17.07 | abrotman | rhsanborn: see .. intel is better :) |
| 03:17.09 | Schalken | Azar: eek |
| 03:17.32 | Azar | Schalken: and you might not remember what you used to install on each package |
| 03:17.35 | rhsanborn | abrotman, the result is that I have to wait for HP to send me my install discs on monday and load vista back on here :( |
| 03:17.47 | abrotman | rhsanborn: use the vesa driver |
| 03:18.01 | rhsanborn | Ick |
| 03:18.08 | Schalken | Azar: can it break the system if i mix the two? |
| 03:18.16 | Azar | rhsanborn: if you are using etch, your sources are updated, why the one-liner wont work? |
| 03:18.19 | Schalken | or is it just they that dont work well together thats the problem? |
| 03:18.55 | Azar | Schalken: don't think so but when you do upgrades , dist-upgrades or want to uninstall.. you might see annoying warnings, |
| 03:19.01 | rhsanborn | Azar, there is probably a discrepency ebtween the etch sources and my kernel...as best I can guses. I used modified version of the etch installer that includes the newest, or close to newest kernel... |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | his nvidia card is probably pretty new |
| 03:19.12 | rhsanborn | Because my ethernet card wasn't recognized |
| 03:19.17 | rhsanborn | And my vid card is VERY new |
| 03:19.18 | abrotman | rhsanborn: check backports.org |
| 03:19.44 | Azar | rhsanborn: did you pin some source to testing, or unstable to install your kernel? |
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| 03:20.03 | rhsanborn | Azar, used kmuto |
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| 03:20.29 | Azar | uh don't know what that is .. me looks at abrotman... for some hints |
| 03:20.38 | Schalken | is there a metapackage to install the default desktop environment as you could during installation? |
| 03:20.38 | rhsanborn | It's pretty much what I said |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | looks at me for what ? |
| 03:20.45 | rhsanborn | From my understanding of it |
| 03:21.00 | rhsanborn | It's an etch, netinstall disc, with a newer than normal kernel |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | Schalken: you can use tasksel again |
| 03:21.08 | rhsanborn | Not sure how they worked that in... |
| 03:21.10 | abrotman | rhsanborn: look at backports.org |
| 03:21.20 | Azar | rhsanborn: I was thinking, just comment all sources you got and leave only an etch one that has non-free contrib at the end |
| 03:21.21 | abrotman | rhsanborn: or just use the script installer from nvidia.com |
| 03:21.29 | Azar | oh yes |
| 03:21.47 | rhsanborn | I'll try nvidia's installer |
| 03:22.27 | Schalken | abrotman: oh, cool thanks :) |
| 03:22.27 | Azar | the latest hardware with their crappy drivers will never work for Debian stable! |
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| 03:24.21 | rhsanborn | It looks like nvidia doesn't even put drivers for this card on their website...awesome |
| 03:25.01 | Schalken | uhm, it appears tasksel is going to take over 2hours to install the task "desktop". is there a way to cleanly stop it? |
| 03:25.10 | dalias | tasksel is evil..... |
| 03:25.21 | rhsanborn | Their notebook cards are specialized...looks like they leave driver writing up to the manufacturers |
| 03:25.26 | dalias | but i don't know a way to undo/stop it |
| 03:25.28 | Azar | ew tasksel.. never did it |
| 03:25.38 | dalias | why does debian still include that tasksel crap? |
| 03:25.45 | Schalken | *sigh* |
| 03:26.09 | Schalken | ill pause the VM and figure it out later |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | Schalken: just hit ctrl-c |
| 03:26.14 | dalias | it should at least have a warning: "tasksel is only for newbies who want a huge load of preinstalled software to try out. it WILL install thousands of pieces of crap you will never want!" |
| 03:26.21 | Schalken | abrotman: wont that hurt it? |
| 03:26.24 | abrotman | no |
| 03:26.26 | dalias | abrotman, but that won't undo the selection of the packages will it? |
| 03:26.34 | Azar | Schalken: if I were you I would return that stuff to the store, ask the money back and buy one that has at least one year from the date of release |
| 03:26.40 | abrotman | AIUI .. it didn't change the selection status yet |
| 03:26.50 | abrotman | it'll be easy to check |
| 03:27.23 | Schalken | Azar: are you suggesting i use sarge? |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:27.34 | abrotman | Azar: don't do that |
| 03:28.54 | Schalken | *sigh* how many package selection programs are there and which ones should i and shouldnt i use? |
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| 03:29.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Schalken, hum? |
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| 03:30.18 | Schalken | Kamping_Kaiser: as in tasksel, aptitude, apt-get... |
| 03:30.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Schalken, aptitude is the recomended one |
| 03:30.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | lots of people still use apt-get |
| 03:30.55 | abrotman | Schalken: what are you trying to install ? |
| 03:31.39 | Schalken | abrotman: i was going to try to install xorg/kde so i can ease in my usage of the CLI until i found out it was going to take over 2hrs to download |
| 03:32.04 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg kde kdm .. done |
| 03:32.18 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'platform device'? Example 1: (Wikipedia) "Linux distributions including Debian GNU/Linux, MontaVista Linux, openSUSE, Yellow Dog Linux, Gentoo Linux and Crux PPC are also available for the Pegasos. Support for the Pegasos as a platform device has been integrated into the Linux kernel mainline as of kernel version 2.6.13. -- Example 2: (Device Manager) "Platform device (pcspkr)". |
| 03:32.29 | Schalken | abrotman: im trying to make a simple debian nagios system |
| 03:32.42 | abrotman | you need kde for nagois ? |
| 03:33.01 | Schalken | abrotman: no, as i said i was only going to put kde on there to ease in my usage of the cli |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 03:33.25 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 03:33.29 | abrotman | and install xorg and kdm also |
| 03:33.45 | Schalken | abrotman: shouldnt "kde" depend on xorg? |
| 03:33.52 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:33.56 | ameyer | You'd think it would |
| 03:34.12 | abrotman | remote X |
| 03:34.13 | Schalken | abrotman: why not? it needs it to funciton. |
| 03:34.15 | abrotman | remote X |
| 03:34.36 | Schalken | abrotman: you mean log into a remote x server and use the local kde programs? |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | yes-ish |
| 03:34.52 | Schalken | oh, yeah, is pose |
| 03:34.55 | Schalken | i spose* |
| 03:35.12 | Azar | Schalken: you can use X without a desktop, just a small wm |
| 03:35.21 | Schalken | Azar: im aware of that |
| 03:35.35 | Schalken | Azar: just didnt know you could use a desktop without X ;) |
| 03:36.08 | Azar | really? |
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| 03:36.22 | Schalken | anyway, ill get back to making my little debian/nagios system later. |
| 03:36.31 | Hobbes-- | but last time I tried to install X without a desktop, I couldn't work out the dependencies.. |
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| 03:42.50 | DawnLight | under what license should i release my irrigation controller interface project? |
| 03:43.59 | dalias | something gpl-compatible |
| 03:44.13 | dalias | which license you should use depends on what you want to allow |
| 03:44.36 | ameyer | GPLv1</sarcasm> |
| 03:44.57 | dalias | do you want users to be able to derive proprietary programs from your program without publishing their source? |
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| 03:45.09 | dalias | if so, use a bsd, mit, or "simple permissive" license |
| 03:45.15 | ameyer | Actually, I have no clue what GPLv1 says, it was obsolete before Linux existed |
| 03:45.28 | dalias | if you want to ensure that all derived works are free, use gpl |
| 03:45.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | ameyer, mm. i've never seen it |
| 03:45.46 | ameyer | neither have I |
| 03:45.55 | dalias | ("v2 or later" is kind to use for ensuring maximum usability) |
| 03:46.15 | dalias | if you want a compromise, look at lgpl |
| 03:46.29 | dalias | but if you use lgpl, use v2.1, not v3. v3 has a critical bug in it |
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| 03:47.07 | jae | Is anyone here using reiserfs? |
| 03:47.28 | ameyer | Kamping_Kaiser: for what it's worth, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Licensing_and_Law/gplv1.html |
| 03:47.30 | dalias | have they proved hans killed his wife yet? |
| 03:47.40 | Azar | hehehe, Torvalds: "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only coded it" - I would assume Bill Gates said that all along |
| 03:47.52 | DawnLight | sourceforge has a list, where it doesn't say which version the gpl is |
| 03:47.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | dalias, lgpl3? |
| 03:48.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | ameyer, hehe. cool |
| 03:48.29 | dalias | kamping_kaiser, lgpl3 allows use of the library in propretary programs but forbids using it in gplv2 programs.... |
| 03:48.37 | dalias | utterly ridiculous |
| 03:48.49 | dalias | treating gplv2 programs worse than proprietary programs |
| 03:48.56 | Azar | dalias: I guess you meant gplv3, right? |
| 03:48.59 | dalias | no |
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| 03:49.02 | dalias | i mean the lgplv2 |
| 03:49.04 | dalias | errm |
| 03:49.06 | dalias | i mean the lgplv3 |
| 03:49.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh that. its odd, but its .*gpl3 |
| 03:49.21 | dalias | obviously the gpl v3 is intentionally not v2-compatible |
| 03:49.23 | ameyer | DawnLight: depends on whether you care about freedom or not |
| 03:49.24 | dalias | this is reasonable |
| 03:49.25 | Azar | dalias: first time I hear about lgpl version 3 |
| 03:49.39 | ameyer | DawnLight: and the licenses of the libs it links to |
| 03:49.46 | dalias | go read the gpl faq "license compatibility" section |
| 03:49.58 | dalias | it clearly shows that lgpl v3 code cannot be used in gpl v2 programs |
| 03:50.16 | dalias | even tho it can be used in proprietary programs.... |
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| 03:50.33 | Azar | gplv3 slaps the hands of those who want to enjoy the works but take it and lock it up instead to share |
| 03:50.46 | |Slurpee| | anyone here good with bind ? |
| 03:50.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | dalias, it is 'gpl2 only' iirc |
| 03:50.54 | Azar | dalias: ok what you thint of GPLv3 then? |
| 03:51.08 | Azar | *think |
| 03:51.29 | dalias | azar, i have mixed feelings about it. |
| 03:51.36 | Azar | I haven't read bout LGPLv3 yet, only about GPLv3 |
| 03:52.15 | dalias | the intent of gpl v3 is good, but i think it could have been done with a few clarifications to v2 rather than so much radically different language |
| 03:52.15 | Azar | the way I read it, GPLv3 is in fact an enforcement of GPLv2 |
| 03:52.22 | dalias | indeed |
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| 03:52.33 | dalias | imo v2 already requires these things |
| 03:52.52 | Azar | because some like Microsoft found GPLv3 language somehow easy to bypass |
| 03:53.01 | dalias | if someone took my gpl v2 code and locked it away with keys, i would argue that those keys, necessary for "the preferred form for modification", are part of the source |
| 03:53.02 | Azar | err GPLv2 I ment |
| 03:53.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | Azar, easy? it took themn a decade |
| 03:53.31 | dalias | no one has bypassed gpl v2 |
| 03:53.35 | dalias | it's just fud |
| 03:53.36 | Azar | Kamping_Kaiser: because they haven't sucked enough fish bones to figure it out faster |
| 03:53.39 | dalias | anyway |
| 03:53.45 | dalias | i'm not opposed to gpl v3 |
| 03:54.07 | dalias | but i'm opposed to gpl-v3-fanatics treating gpl-v2 worse than proprietary software for the sake of trying to "kill off" gpl v2 |
| 03:54.33 | dalias | it's ridiculous that you can use lgpl v3 code in proprietary programs but not in gpl-v2 programs |
| 03:54.34 | Azar | what gplv3 forces, or enforces is that a code licenced under gplv3 be left free to be shared |
| 03:54.49 | dalias | azar, gpl v2 already enforces that |
| 03:54.54 | Azar | dalias: the difference is that l |
| 03:55.27 | Azar | well it could not stop the aquisition of Novell by MS |
| 03:55.48 | Azar | and the patent FUD |
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| 03:56.08 | dalias | what gpl v3 purports to do _beyond_ v2 is to require that the recipient have the means to modify the version of the software in a device they receive |
| 03:56.09 | MU9214 | is there any way to use a wireless card as an access point? Like from ethernet to wireless card. |
| 03:56.18 | MU9214 | using debian |
| 03:56.21 | evilgeek | hm. |
| 03:56.26 | evilgeek | how do you make a ramdisk? |
| 03:56.32 | dalias | i.e. signed code keys, passwords, etc. necessary to update the firmware |
| 03:57.02 | dalias | imo this is already included in v2 in the phrase "preferred form for modification" |
| 03:57.26 | dalias | a form of the code missing the keys to sign it and make it usable is not the preferred form for modification, quite obviously |
| 03:57.43 | dalias | however this is a dead horse |
| 03:57.53 | MU9214 | is there any way to make an wifi access point on debian? |
| 03:58.10 | dalias | gpl v3 is here and not going to be dropped. and the new language ('convey', etc.) is better in an international setting |
| 03:59.06 | dalias | but i'm against strongarm tactics to try to force people who wish to stick with gpl v2 (or who are forced to stay with it because of inability to relicense) to upgrade-to-v3-or-suffer |
| 03:59.16 | Azar | egomaniac Torvalds: "An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would never make a good program." - and he also said on another occasion that he never used Debian because is hard to install hahahaha |
| 03:59.18 | dalias | and the lgpl v3 is such a strongarm tactic |
| 03:59.27 | dalias | azar, lol |
| 03:59.27 | jae | MU9214: yes there is |
| 03:59.39 | MU9214 | jae: ?? |
| 03:59.40 | dalias | linus uses redhat..... |
| 04:00.07 | MU9214 | and could it / I forward ports to computers that connect to it? |
| 04:00.22 | Azar | because he is a coder that is not able to use a free , solid operating system |
| 04:00.59 | dalias | honestly i think linus is an idiot |
| 04:01.18 | jae | MU9214: take a look at the hostap* packages |
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| 04:01.49 | jae | And sure you can forward ports, that's independent of any AP functionality |
| 04:01.51 | harry | So how would I change the defauld background I get from xinit? the default makes my head explode.. |
| 04:02.11 | dalias | edit .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 04:02.24 | Azar | harry: use feh a program that helps you setup a bgimage of your choice |
| 04:02.34 | dalias | and make it run xsetbg -solid gray20 |
| 04:02.41 | dalias | errm |
| 04:02.43 | dalias | xsetroot |
| 04:02.47 | dalias | xsetroot -solid gray20 |
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| 04:03.56 | MU9214 | jae: how is it independant? How do i forward ports? lol |
| 04:04.13 | Azar | if you have some images downloaded that could be used as your fav wallpaper: http://linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/ |
| 04:04.46 | Azar | debian has it in repositories, just aptitude install feh |
| 04:04.56 | harry | cool |
| 04:05.16 | Azar | that site has howto for how to use it |
| 04:06.53 | DawnLight | so if i care about freedom, which licencse should i go with? |
| 04:07.03 | harry | WHat kind of color values can I set using that command? the manpage for xsetroot isn't very helpful |
| 04:08.13 | dalias | '#rrggbb' should work |
| 04:08.14 | Azar | damn great quote: "We all know Linux is greatit does infinite loops in 5 seconds." |
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| 04:08.22 | dalias | also colors in rgb.txt can be used by name |
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| 04:08.48 | xp_prg2 | what is the package that contains mpeg2enc? |
| 04:08.55 | simonrvn | CornflowerBlue ;p |
| 04:09.09 | harry | cool |
| 04:09.27 | Azar | haha |
| 04:09.35 | DawnLight | common, this is the place to ask |
| 04:10.11 | simonrvn | common what? |
| 04:10.21 | harry | by the way, If I want to learn more about how the OS works, it's better to use Debian rather than Ubuntu, right? |
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| 04:10.34 | simonrvn | generally |
| 04:10.44 | DawnLight | which license should i put with my software? |
| 04:10.46 | bpun | harry, pick up a good linux book at http://docs.rinet.ru |
| 04:11.08 | Supaplex | !tell harry -about grounding |
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| 04:11.43 | dalias | dawnlight, i told you about it before... |
| 04:12.02 | DawnLight | if i care about freedom, gpl? |
| 04:12.04 | Azar | weekend fun: Linus: "Other than the fact Linux has a cool name, could someone explain why I should use Linux over BSD? No. That's it. The cool name, that is." hahaha |
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| 04:12.15 | dalias | if you want to help proprietary software writers, use bsd/mit/permissive |
| 04:12.28 | dalias | if you want to ensure that all code derived from your code is free, use gpl |
| 04:12.30 | Azar | dalias: wrong: pay them |
| 04:12.32 | bpun | DawnLight, there's a new one called copymiddle, it lets people sell your software and make profit from it |
| 04:12.41 | dalias | azar, the question was which license to use |
| 04:12.46 | Supaplex | Azar: lol, so many clueless people would not understand his sarcasm. :P |
| 04:12.46 | Azar | ah |
| 04:12.47 | harry | umm.. isn't that gpl? |
| 04:13.00 | dalias | ignore bpun's ignorant comment.. |
| 04:13.10 | Azar | Supaplex: you missed a couple of quotes above |
| 04:13.45 | Azar | when he writes or gives interviews, Torvalds seems to talk to himself: he asks and replies to his own questions. |
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| 04:15.12 | dalias | back then there were many good reasons to use linux over bsd |
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| 04:15.25 | dalias | (bsd was full of suid-root crap full of vulns) |
| 04:15.45 | dalias | now i'm not sure what the reason to use linux instead of bsd is, except the cool name... |
| 04:16.06 | Azar | maybe because BSD is ruled by Theo ? :) |
| 04:16.09 | dalias | i was going to say bsd distros' package install methods suck |
| 04:16.25 | dalias | but now there's debian gnu/freebsd making that irrelevant |
| 04:16.32 | dalias | azar, bsd != obsd |
| 04:16.37 | dalias | there are lots of bsds |
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| 04:16.39 | Azar | oh well |
| 04:16.45 | simonrvn | there's 3 free bsds... |
| 04:16.48 | dalias | of which netbsd seems to be the most interesting to me |
| 04:16.50 | interbird | true sarcasm |
| 04:17.00 | dalias | obsd is lame, yes |
| 04:17.09 | dalias | freebsd, i dunno |
| 04:17.10 | simonrvn | netbsd has the widest arch support |
| 04:17.27 | simonrvn | rivals debian's |
| 04:17.27 | dalias | i rtfs'd the netbsd kernel code once and fell in love |
| 04:17.36 | dalias | it's clear and straightforward |
| 04:17.51 | dalias | not obfuscated microoptimized crap like linux |
| 04:18.04 | Azar | five years ago when I got fedup with mswin, I finally got my hands on 2 CDs: one was FreeBSD, the other was Debian Woody. The winner was the one that booted |
| 04:18.13 | Azar | so that how I am here |
| 04:18.14 | dalias | :) |
| 04:18.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 04:18.53 | rcbarnes_ | Except for Eterm, is there a nice (light) terminal that has transparency? |
| 04:18.57 | simonrvn | i got started on debian because that's what was listed on a free (as in beer) mac os (back then called 9) web site |
| 04:19.10 | simonrvn | er, free s/w |
| 04:19.14 | dalias | :P |
| 04:19.23 | DawnLight | rcbarnes_: light and transparency don't go hand in hand |
| 04:19.32 | dalias | i got started on debian because i was too lazy to admin boxes i got paid to admin |
| 04:19.36 | dalias | and debian did it for me :) |
| 04:19.40 | simonrvn | was looking for this elusive thing called "unix" |
| 04:19.57 | Azar | well, reality is that I started learning C and the windows compiler sucked, I wanted something command line based... a friend told me to try linux or BSD |
| 04:20.03 | rcbarnes_ | DawnLight: granted, but even fake transparancy like Eterm is fine |
| 04:20.17 | dalias | transparency sucks |
| 04:20.24 | DawnLight | how can you say that |
| 04:20.28 | darrh00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.29 | rcbarnes_ | I'm trying a strictly tiling WM. |
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| 04:20.53 | simonrvn | i finally got it installed on a m68k mac... took overnight to install potato |
| 04:21.08 | dalias | dawnlight, it's a big waste of resources and reduces legibility |
| 04:21.10 | rcbarnes_ | dalias: I generally agree, but I'm an HCI professional, and transparency is a common feature that I need to examine the consequces thereof. |
| 04:21.13 | Azar | simonrvn!! you are a hero! |
| 04:21.18 | dalias | HCI? |
| 04:21.25 | rcbarnes_ | Human-Computer Interaction |
| 04:21.30 | simonrvn | !fgi darrh00 freenx |
| 04:21.30 | dpkg | darrh00: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=freenx |
| 04:22.14 | simonrvn | transparency is only good to see your 'desktop' ... |
| 04:22.21 | simonrvn | Azar: wha? |
| 04:22.47 | rcbarnes_ | dalias: think "User interface design" with a more psychological than aesthetic focus. |
| 04:22.47 | Azar | simonrvn: potato - I heard - was really hard to play with |
| 04:22.53 | interbird | that's the way things go, i was on os/2, tried suse 6.1 once, got a mandrake 8.1 cd from my brother, relapsed to suse because of hpfs and then met Debian. now we're in love. i now knew her by her first name. |
| 04:23.17 | amphi | rcbarnes_: xfce4-term is a small binary, but when you run ldd on it, you could hardly reproach it with being light ;) |
| 04:23.31 | simonrvn | Azar: generally not. there were issues sure, but not impossible for a newbie. the hardest was getting pppoe going |
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| 04:24.09 | amphi | rcbarnes_: ldd /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal | wc -l => 47 ;) |
| 04:24.18 | rcbarnes_ | apt: it supports transparency, though? |
| 04:24.19 | apt | So we want to be stupid, right, supports transparency, though ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 04:24.23 | rcbarnes_ | err |
| 04:24.25 | simonrvn | Azar: later on i got my hands on a mac ppc 7500. was a slow poke, but it was lightyears faster than the m68k |
| 04:24.27 | Azar | I had no idea about linux multitude of distros... I just asked some irc-buddies at some open source irc server which should I try.... and I heard Debian/hard/but solid stable/totally different than mswin/ so I got the CD |
| 04:24.33 | rcbarnes_ | amphi: it supports transparency, though? |
| 04:24.45 | amphi | rcbarnes_: real and fake, I believe |
| 04:24.45 | simonrvn | hehehhe |
| 04:24.53 | Azar | simonrvn: back then wasn't mac a fortune to buy? |
| 04:24.58 | dalias | umm your composite manager crap should be able to make ANYthing transparent, no?? |
| 04:25.03 | simonrvn | Azar: not when it was free |
| 04:25.14 | Azar | wow, mac was ever free? |
| 04:25.26 | simonrvn | dumpstered, dude ;) |
| 04:25.30 | amphi | dalias: then the text is also translucent |
| 04:25.35 | Azar | oh ah wow |
| 04:25.44 | interbird | ldd $(which xfce4-terminal) |
| 04:25.47 | rcbarnes_ | dalias: what amphi said |
| 04:25.57 | simonrvn | people in this city put out stuff so other people can pick it up |
| 04:26.05 | dalias | amphi, rcbarnes_: isn't there some way to make only a certain color (black) transparnt? |
| 04:26.10 | Azar | simonrvn: sounds like california |
| 04:26.18 | simonrvn | montreal |
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| 04:26.27 | Azar | we gotta pay to have old boxes taken away |
| 04:26.44 | simonrvn | usually computers don't stick around very long ;) |
| 04:26.45 | DawnLight | i love old stuff |
| 04:26.59 | DawnLight | just love |
| 04:27.05 | interbird | like? |
| 04:27.07 | rcbarnes_ | dalias: perhaps, but not with the ones I've played with |
| 04:27.14 | Azar | simonrvn: same here... you see old pcs, monitors, left at the curb on the street |
| 04:27.17 | dalias | i dunno |
| 04:27.27 | dalias | i have no interest in messing with transparency |
| 04:27.35 | dalias | but i figured it would be possible in the hardware |
| 04:27.41 | simonrvn | the one my wife has was a curb 'donation' |
| 04:27.42 | dalias | and that softwarewould be smart to support it.. |
| 04:27.44 | DawnLight | furniture, computers, software, people... |
| 04:27.54 | interbird | yeah |
| 04:28.05 | amphi | dalias: not that I know of, the entire window's opacity is adjusted |
| 04:28.26 | Azar | simonrvn: people here in S California used to sell old stuff at garage sales on weekends, now nobody wants an "old" pc |
| 04:28.31 | dalias | ah well i'm off now |
| 04:29.01 | amphi | dalias: I agree that term transparency is pointless (or almost always pointless), but you get it for free with a compositing wm |
| 04:29.02 | Azar | back in the days I used to shop hardware at soapmeats... they don't exist no more |
| 04:29.03 | simonrvn | Azar: only crazy people like us in this chan hehe |
| 04:29.12 | interbird | old chairs, magnefique! old software; have to be able to run it |
| 04:29.22 | simonrvn | ok, afk from here. bbialw |
| 04:29.29 | Azar | night, simo |
| 04:29.32 | Azar | simonrvn: |
| 04:29.36 | simonrvn | later |
| 04:29.43 | Azar | me too I work tomorrow, going to bed |
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| 04:32.28 | Overclock_Orange | hi |
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| 04:33.59 | Overclock_Orange | I want greet from Argentina |
| 04:34.41 | Overclock_Orange | I am using Debian from two years old |
| 04:35.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 04:36.47 | Overclock_Orange | :) |
| 04:36.49 | DawnLight | since you were two? |
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| 04:37.41 | Overclock_Orange | I am using Debian for two years |
| 04:38.05 | DawnLight | that makes more sense |
| 04:38.27 | Overclock_Orange | sorry i had a error with my english :P |
| 04:38.45 | DawnLight | two years... you like it? |
| 04:39.17 | Overclock_Orange | yes i like me much Debian |
| 04:39.25 | Overclock_Orange | is a great distribution |
| 04:39.45 | DawnLight | dare you say the greatest? |
| 04:39.46 | Overclock_Orange | sorry but my english is very bad |
| 04:40.01 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'platform device'? Example 1: (Wikipedia) "Linux distributions including Debian GNU/Linux, MontaVista Linux, openSUSE, Yellow Dog Linux, Gentoo Linux and Crux PPC are also available for the Pegasos. Support for the Pegasos as a platform device has been integrated into the Linux kernel mainline as of kernel version 2.6.13. -- Example 2: (Device Manager) "Platform device (pcspkr)". |
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| 04:40.23 | Overclock_Orange | yes Debian is the best |
| 04:40.39 | DawnLight | now you're talking |
| 04:40.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 04:40.47 | LeRoy | I'm trying to install debian to my lenovo R61 lappy from netinst CD but sadly when I get to detecting and mounting the CD-ROM (step 3) the installer states "No common CD-ROM drive was detected". Is there a boot param that I can use to circumvent this issue (since it can clearly boot from the CD-ROM...)? |
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| 04:41.11 | DawnLight | bullgard4: what do you really want? |
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| 04:41.42 | bullgard4 | DawnLight: I want an exact answer to my question. |
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| 04:42.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | LeRoy, it thinks it booted a floppy, so i guess d-i doesnt contain drivers for your cd drive - sata or something funky? |
| 04:42.22 | DawnLight | good. i thought you didn't know what you want |
| 04:42.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | bullgard4, tried asking wikipedia, since its their website? :) |
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| 04:43.16 | weld | LeRoy: i just installed testing on a R61 from netinst CD a few days ago without problems |
| 04:43.27 | LeRoy | Kamping_Kaiser: hmmm... not sure. It's a new lenovo lappy. I will check the specs. Assuming it is, is there a better (read: containing more extensive cache of drivers) ISO I could install from? |
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| 04:43.51 | bullgard4 | Kamping_Kaiser: Yes, I tried. |
| 04:43.56 | DawnLight | !tell LeRoy about kputo |
| 04:44.00 | LeRoy | weld: hmmm... I've just d/l'd this ISO and this R61 is pretty vanillia... anything you may have do special? |
| 04:44.20 | DawnLight | !tell LeRoy about kmuto |
| 04:45.28 | weld | LeRoy: no, it came with XP, i just booted from netist CD, i didn't change bios settings or something |
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| 04:46.11 | DawnLight | LeRoy: perhaps a bios upgrade will help? |
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| 04:46.56 | LeRoy | well, I'm d/ling eth-custom-0720.iso per DawnLight suggestion, maybe that will help. Mean while, I think I have the latest bios, but I'll check that as well. |
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| 04:48.08 | weld | LeRoy: Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20071008-09:05]/ lenny main |
| 04:48.28 | weld | LeRoy: that was my iversion |
| 04:48.45 | LeRoy | that might explain it... lenny is newer than etch |
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| 04:49.07 | weld | LeRoy: oh, didn't see your using etch |
| 04:49.31 | weld | LeRoy: you'll need testing i think |
| 04:50.25 | LeRoy | honestly, I'm probably intersted in lenny anyway, as I'm setting it up as a second boot option for wife's lappy... have XP (gah) installed as primary with kubuntu currently as secondary, but having some trouble with kubuntu and thought I might just try straight deb.... |
| 04:50.33 | weld | LeRoy: even the recent testing kernel doesn't support the soundcard, there's a bug... i had to install latest alsa from source |
| 04:51.02 | LeRoy | good to know |
| 04:51.14 | weld | but that's not a problem |
| 04:52.49 | weld | LeRoy: by the way, i send the XP sticker to lenove they said they will give me 30€ for this :) |
| 04:52.57 | weld | *lenovo |
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| 04:54.46 | LeRoy | Mine came with Vista Home(gasp!) but I immedaitely stripped it and installed XP (for the wife) and left room for linux. I'm determined to get her comfortable with linux, so I have to get the right (read complete utilization of hardware) distro on here before I get her to switch over... thankfully no windows stickers... heh |
| 04:55.03 | interbird | nite |
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| 04:55.48 | weld | LeRoy: which video card does it have? |
| 04:56.13 | abchirk | morning |
| 04:56.26 | LeRoy | intel |
| 04:56.51 | black_13 | how do you build a deb package |
| 04:57.11 | weld | LeRoy: well, that won't be a problem i think, mine has nvidia which didn't work with default config |
| 04:57.21 | black_13 | how do i take the sources on this page http://packages.debian.org/sid/live-helper |
| 04:57.27 | black_13 | and make my own deb? |
| 04:58.25 | ice63 | weld: are you runing lenny ? |
| 04:58.25 | LeRoy | I'm planning to buy myself a lenovo, but it's going to be a bit beefier than the R61... I will have to research best hw combo... |
| 04:58.52 | weld | ice63: yes, testing |
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| 05:00.12 | ice63 | weld: do you have the nvidia drivers installed |
| 05:00.16 | sparr_ | is there anything that i can put inside a script so that when run, it behaves as if i had passed it through source? |
| 05:00.46 | DawnLight | LeRoy: consider an officially linux supported/open sourced lappy. buying hardware can be a strong way to let manufacturers know how you feel |
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| 05:01.43 | weld | ice63: no "nv" driver works... but only sometimes it's even slover then vesa. the proprietary nvidiadriver works, but i had trouble with the fonts, which where shown to big |
| 05:02.13 | DawnLight | is there a programming channel somewhere here? |
| 05:02.15 | weld | ice63: so right now im using vesa, don't need 3d jet :) |
| 05:02.45 | ice63 | weld: ok |
| 05:02.57 | weld | ice63: i didn't mean to say vesa is slow! :) |
| 05:03.10 | Tramp | sparr_: Don't know if I understand you correctly, but probably the answer is no. |
| 05:03.39 | sparr_ | Tramp: im considering switching shells because of this... |
| 05:03.43 | Tramp | sparr_: "Running" and "Sourcing" are different concepts |
| 05:04.16 | sparr_ | yes, but i want to "run" a script that changes my host environment |
| 05:04.30 | sparr_ | that seems to be the one thing that a script cant do by itself, which is exceedingly annoying today |
| 05:07.07 | weld | LeRoy: just as a note: after the installation in xorg there was 1680x1680 which is wrong and caused the xserver to fail. |
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| 05:11.04 | Chairos | I'm trying to get SASL working with Postfix in Debian testing. I can't seem to get Postfix to talk to the saslauthd. I've followed the guidelines in /usr/share/doc/sasl2-bin for making it work with the chrooted Postfix, but it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 05:14.00 | sping | anybody familiar with libsvn0 and libsvn1 in here? |
| 05:14.38 | sparr_ | Allowing users to sudo sudo seems like a security issue, but that seems the default in debian and debian-based distros. Thoughts? |
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| 05:16.57 | ice63 | i jest use root |
| 05:17.32 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'platform device'? Example 1: (Wikipedia) "Linux distributions including Debian GNU/Linux, MontaVista Linux, openSUSE, Yellow Dog Linux, Gentoo Linux and Crux PPC are also available for the Pegasos. Support for the Pegasos as a platform device has been integrated into the Linux kernel mainline as of kernel version 2.6.13. -- Example 2: (Device Manager) "Platform device (pcspkr)". |
| 05:17.47 | sparr_ | Bulldog: buzzword that they made up |
| 05:17.59 | sparr_ | ice63: that would imply that you have the root password, in which case nothing is a security issue :) |
| 05:18.27 | ice63 | sparr_: right |
| 05:18.54 | LeRoy | weld, DawnLight: thanks for insights. Yes, I'm interested in buying from vendor who supports linux. I've seen that EmporerLinux sells lenovo gear, which is what originally turned me on to it. I was considering dell, but when I compared hw, etc. I went lenovo... EL is a bit on the pricy side, but if they base their hw on lenovo, then I think I can probably work it out... :D |
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| 05:23.19 | martyn_1 | Hello, some people that has configured sound card intel in toshiba satellite? I try with alsa but no results :( and alsamixer is ok. I use Debian etch.. |
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| 05:24.41 | Tramp | sparr_: which line in your sudoers conf allows users to run sudo? |
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| 05:25.47 | ice63 | martyn_1: did you use alsacof yet ? |
| 05:26.43 | ice63 | alsaconf |
| 05:26.44 | martyn_1 | ice63, I use alsaconf ok. |
| 05:26.53 | martyn_1 | ice63, yes |
| 05:27.33 | ice63 | martyn_1: still no sound |
| 05:28.49 | martyn_1 | no, the final result say ok configured but when i tray play a audio file, no sound. |
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| 05:29.10 | ice63 | did you reboot |
| 05:30.31 | martyn_1 | ice63, reboot... no, but The process as I have done |
| 05:31.48 | ice63 | martyn_1: try rebooting |
| 05:33.13 | martyn_1 | ice63, pls wait and i try.. "reboot" |
| 05:33.21 | ice63 | ok |
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| 05:39.12 | ice63 | martyn_: do you have sound ? |
| 05:41.25 | ice63 | martyn_: if your runing gnome you will need to install esound to |
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| 05:41.49 | martyn_ | ice63, not, no sound. i use xfce4 |
| 05:41.57 | martyn_ | esound.. in xfce too? |
| 05:42.09 | simonrvn | you don't need esd |
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| 05:43.11 | ice63 | simonrvn: go for it |
| 05:43.34 | simonrvn | martyn_: haven't been around watching this, but did you post what you were getting as errors somewhere? |
| 05:43.52 | xtor | What is the simplest way to add "bigmem" support to an existing kernel? I switched my regular 686 kernel to the bigmem kernel and my box slowed down to about 1/20th the speed so I wanna retry with just a tiny change at a time in the kernel |
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| 05:44.52 | simonrvn | use the non-bigmem kernel's config, and enable 'bigmem' |
| 05:45.04 | Kevin` | how do you set a password on screen? |
| 05:45.33 | simonrvn | i'm not sure you can, but see the man page to confirm/deny |
| 05:45.42 | Kevin` | i'm quite sure you can |
| 05:45.57 | martyn_ | simonrvn, my problem is that i dont see the error in the logs.. and when i configured the sound card with alsaconf, it say OK Configured...but no sound..agrh! |
| 05:46.38 | gpm | hey guys, my LEDs for numlock/caps don't show up in X, but they do in the VCs, any clues why? |
| 05:46.40 | simonrvn | martyn_: what's the card, and the driver? do you have anything in /dev/snd/* ? can you run alsamixer? |
| 05:47.03 | weld | martyn_: which soundcard do you have? |
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| 05:47.33 | martyn_ | simmerz, soundcard: Intel Corporation 82801G and I can run alsamixer okk.. |
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| 05:49.06 | simonrvn | martyn_: and the master and pcm are up? |
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| 05:49.40 | martyn_ | simonrvn, Yes, are in red! |
| 05:50.29 | ice63 | in gnome i installed esound to get it to work but that was me |
| 05:50.29 | weld | martyn_: look your alsa version "cat /proc/asound/version" |
| 05:50.43 | simonrvn | ok. when you do f1 and f2 in it, you see stuff i suppose. have you checked to see if anything is hogging the sound device? |
| 05:51.00 | gpm | 442887...damn xorg |
| 05:51.16 | simonrvn | !dbugs 442887 |
| 05:51.19 | dpkg | #442887:N[xserver-xorg-core] Xserver 1.4 breaks caps lock and num lock leds; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:15:01 UTC |
| 05:51.25 | martyn_ | weld, version 1.0.12rc1 |
| 05:52.19 | gpm | :( |
| 05:52.46 | weld | martyn_: maybe the card is to new, i don't know - you ask in #alsa and see http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 05:54.01 | martyn_ | simonrvn, the options with F2 show: asound/cards my intel sound card.. and other data below of it.. |
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| 05:56.39 | simonrvn | martyn_: you in group audio? |
| 05:57.08 | martyn_ | simonrvn, How I see the audio group? |
| 05:57.23 | sluckz | is there a defualt desktop in debian? i realize i can choose. |
| 05:57.33 | simonrvn | sluckz: not really no |
| 05:57.48 | simonrvn | martyn_: getent group audio |
| 05:58.29 | martyn_ | simonrvn, it show: audio:x:29:martyn,asterisk |
| 05:58.35 | simonrvn | martyn_: if you see your user in there, then you are |
| 05:58.47 | simonrvn | ok, go do what weld suggested |
| 05:58.49 | martyn_ | simonrvn, YES i am. |
| 05:59.08 | gpm | well, tasksel installs gnome, doesn't it? |
| 05:59.36 | simonrvn | it installs desktop. gnome, kde, and a bunch of other stuff... |
| 05:59.51 | gpm | no, i picked desktop, and it didn't install gnome |
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| 06:00.37 | gpm | maybe if you tell it to |
| 06:00.40 | gpm | but not by default |
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| 06:00.51 | gpm | i think it does gnome-desktop-environment with some other stuff |
| 06:00.53 | weld | martyn_: do "grep -i codec '/proc/asound/card0/codec#0'" to get the device id and search for it on http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 06:01.02 | gpm | but no kde stuff afaict |
| 06:01.07 | ice63 | gpm: well what did it install ? |
| 06:01.55 | simonrvn | it didn't? used to.. *shrug* |
| 06:02.03 | martyn_ | weld, working.. |
| 06:02.26 | weld | martyn_: you want to say you have sound now? |
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| 06:02.57 | martyn_ | weld, not, working in search the ID in the site... |
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| 06:03.14 | weld | martyn_: ok :) |
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| 06:03.43 | weld | martyn_: do you get some results? |
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| 06:04.09 | martyn_ | weld, i have the ID, but i dont see the results in the site.. |
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| 06:04.25 | weld | martyn_: can you tell the id? |
| 06:04.59 | martyn_ | weld, Yes: Codec: Realtek ID 268 |
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| 06:05.44 | weld | martyn_: :( |
| 06:05.54 | martyn_ | weld, :(? |
| 06:07.04 | ice63 | martyn_: try installing esound if it don't work jest uninstall it |
| 06:08.00 | ice63 | it's not going f it up |
| 06:08.25 | weld | martyn_: is snd-hda-intel module loaded? try with "lsmod | grep hda" |
| 06:08.27 | martyn_ | ice63, install esound, and then...run alsacon.. |
| 06:08.43 | ice63 | and reboot |
| 06:09.35 | martyn_ | weld, yes. loaded: snd_hda_codec 138816 1 snd_hda_intel |
| 06:09.51 | weld | martyn_: ok |
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| 06:13.11 | Lethias | Anyone program in C using anjuta? I'm having diffculties. |
| 06:13.25 | weld | martyn_: i'll be off now, i suggest to google http://www.google.de/search?q=Realtek+ID+268+debian&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 a bit. cu! |
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| 06:16.07 | Gvd | Hi, any known problems with : debian testing (lenny) amd64 installer? |
| 06:16.43 | Gvd | at 'the package manager' part i get the the failed message |
| 06:16.55 | Gvd | the dvd is checked and no errors found |
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| 06:34.08 | slackert | looks to me like gnome is the default debian desktop, just finishing a net install of testing. |
| 06:34.10 | xmb | flatpress is nice afik for templates |
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| 06:40.29 | arkais | m |
| 06:40.33 | slackert | i just want to follow forums.debinan.net,pulseaudio's tutorial and dont want to deal with more than one sound server. i dont understand the difference between audio in gnome and kde |
| 06:41.15 | slackert | is there any? |
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| 06:44.03 | trpr | using different sound servers i think. esd vs arts. i haven't gnome in awhile actually so i dunno |
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| 06:46.47 | bonez44 | how do i change my systemwide viewer for say .wmv files...now, Totem tries to open and I guess Totem is the default viewer, but I want to have it be mplayer instead..where do I change this? this on machine running etch |
| 06:47.23 | streuner | totem is just a frondend for xine |
| 06:47.34 | streuner | totem uses xine engine to play stuff |
| 06:47.50 | bonez44 | well, whatever totem is, or is not..it doesnt' have the plugins installed, to allow it to play .wmv files.. |
| 06:48.22 | ahknight | apt question: I did a stupid a while back and manually installed postfix over the package version. Now I want to move to Etch. How can I make apt "forget" about postfix without actually removing the package? Holding it seems to make upgrading a pain. |
| 06:48.23 | apt | You did a stupid a while back and manually installed postfix over the package version. Now I want to move to Etch. How can I make apt "forget" about postfix without actually removing the package? Holding it seems to make upgrading a pain.? |
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| 06:48.36 | ahknight | -blink- okay... |
| 06:48.48 | fer | hi, I cannot suspend to ram on a toshiba a100-999 with a Nvidia Geforce go 7300. any suggestions? |
| 06:49.57 | streuner | look at the these websites, there might somebody know |
| 06:50.00 | streuner | !laptops |
| 06:50.00 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 06:51.03 | fer | ok thanks |
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| 06:51.27 | streuner | if totem cannot handle these files, HOW you come to the idea mplayer could? |
| 06:51.28 | xingu | fer: nvidia 100.14.19 is the first driver that even pretends to support power management. |
| 06:52.47 | fer | xingu, I am using that version but it doesn't run |
| 06:53.09 | streuner | gone |
| 06:53.25 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 06:53.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 06:54.55 | ahknight | I think a bot caught this the first time: So, I did a stupid a while back and manually installed postfix over the package version. Now I want to move to Etch. How can I make apt "forget" about postfix without actually removing the package? Holding it seems to make upgrading a pain. |
| 06:55.39 | streuner | this question is pretty confusing |
| 06:55.53 | streuner | ahknight: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:56.09 | streuner | so we start with basic questions in order to find out what you need |
| 06:56.16 | ahknight | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:56.36 | streuner | fine |
| 06:56.42 | ahknight | In short, I want dpkg/apt to remove an item from its list of installed packages but not remove the files. |
| 06:56.43 | ahknight | Can it? |
| 06:56.55 | streuner | no |
| 06:57.03 | ahknight | Okay, is there a list I can edit? |
| 06:57.20 | streuner | item? |
| 06:57.32 | streuner | what do you mean with that? |
| 06:57.34 | cast|lir | why not just remove postfix and then install it again after? |
| 06:58.01 | ahknight | cast|lir: Because it's a pain and means I'd have to recompile it, and the author did not make that easy. |
| 06:58.08 | ahknight | Trying to avoid it. |
| 06:58.36 | cast|lir | so this is a custom deb then? |
| 06:58.41 | ahknight | streuner: by item, I mean package. |
| 06:59.25 | ahknight | cast|lir: I installed the postfix package. It lacked dovecot auth, so I built it and stupidly installed on top of the existing package. I want dpkg to stop managing those files so I can upgrade to etch without issues. |
| 06:59.34 | streuner | well, you could extract the deb and remove the package, but that isnt a very clever idea :-) |
| 07:00.13 | cast|lir | what is this 'pain' you are refering to hold causing during an upgrade? |
| 07:00.58 | ahknight | Well, I did it to dovecot as well, and now it's causing issues with libsasl2 and other things that I don't need anymore but can't get rid of because dpkg thinks the current programs need it. |
| 07:01.17 | ahknight | It'd be simpler to just tell dpkg "these are not the programs you are looking for" and move on. |
| 07:01.47 | ahknight | Would making the remove scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info empty files do it? |
| 07:02.00 | ahknight | Or are those just post-remove scripts? |
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| 07:02.25 | cast|lir | and dpkg thinks the current program needs it because its in the depends i presume |
| 07:02.33 | ahknight | yes |
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| 07:03.03 | ahknight | So is there a way to just tell dpkg it's not installed anymore without triggering scripts? That's really all I'm after. |
| 07:03.22 | ahknight | Removing files, odd --force arguments, whatever. |
| 07:03.33 | streuner | you have no idea about postfix and no idea about apt/dpkg |
| 07:03.47 | streuner | How you come to the idea to change anything then? |
| 07:04.18 | ahknight | Well that was assinine. |
| 07:04.35 | ahknight | -sigh- no help here. okay, off to file mangling. |
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| 07:07.10 | cast|lir | if reinstalling the problem .deb after an upgrade would require a recompile i'm kind of confused as to how its going to work after an upgrade reinstall or not |
| 07:07.54 | streuner | it seems to me, some postfix features doesnt fit to his needs as well... |
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| 07:09.23 | streuner | so at the end he might need to compile his own package, but i cannot see his knowledge about dpkg/apt.. |
| 07:09.34 | singsen | hello, i freshly installed my debian and i am infront of a small problem. i got a proccess running. named ksoftirqd that permanently uses 30% of my cpu |
| 07:09.43 | singsen | anyone has a clue about that ? |
| 07:10.27 | alaya__ | is something causing continual interrupt requests? |
| 07:11.00 | singsen | let me check |
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| 07:11.34 | singsen | no i dont see anything |
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| 07:37.09 | alaya__ | odd, man9/ksoftirqd.9.gz is listed in manpages package, but is not there |
| 07:37.56 | alaya__ | in fact there is no man9 dir even |
| 07:38.38 | alaya__ | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/9/ksoftirqd.html |
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| 07:39.25 | alaya__ | sounds like something - a net device or some other device, might be causing a heavy soft interrupt load |
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| 07:40.03 | xingu | he's gone, and yes. :) |
| 07:40.29 | alaya__ | well at least i was half on :-) |
| 07:42.58 | Supaplex | I'd kill cups, but it's already playing dead. |
| 07:45.06 | xingu | my last remaining beef with cups is the *size* of it |
| 07:45.31 | xingu | you're not going to fit it into a 128KB flash part on a terminal server now are you |
| 07:46.06 | Supaplex | server has a few gb free on / |
| 07:46.16 | Supaplex | client is a mac |
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| 07:46.30 | Supaplex | it says it connects, and then the job suddenly stops. |
| 07:47.05 | xingu | stops and vanishes, or stops and stays as a stalled job? |
| 07:47.11 | Aaron_ | auto eth1 |
| 07:47.11 | Aaron_ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 07:47.11 | Aaron_ | # The primary network interface |
| 07:47.11 | Aaron_ | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 07:47.11 | Aaron_ | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 07:47.18 | Supaplex | 'Jobs Stopped.' |
| 07:47.27 | Aaron_ | how come on start up it doesn't bring up the interface eth1 |
| 07:47.27 | xingu | not that I know anything about cups other than "holy crap that's a lot of shit to install just to emulate an lpd" |
| 07:47.33 | Aaron_ | is there something wrong with the config |
| 07:47.34 | Aaron_ | ? |
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| 07:48.06 | xingu | Supaplex: so my initial guess is no permission to print, no queue/device by that name on the server, or a print device which is signalling offline? |
| 07:49.05 | Supaplex | printer is on, status page says it's accepting jobs. I can hit print test page from the client in a webbrowser. |
| 07:49.32 | xingu | are you using direct ipp or are you using a cups<->cups connection on the client? |
| 07:49.36 | Supaplex | access_log has no revealing information besides normal cgi stuffs. |
| 07:49.39 | Supaplex | ipp |
| 07:49.52 | xingu | I think there's a tickbox for "make available for internet printing" ? |
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| 07:50.13 | xingu | the cgi's a bit odd if you tick that on the main page I've discovered, probably best to tick it on the device view of a given printer instead |
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| 07:51.44 | Supaplex | http://10.141.2.253:631/printers/lp_HP5SI1 (lp is to indicate I expected /dev/* vs jetdirect). |
| 07:52.11 | Supaplex | eg, it's using device parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 07:52.26 | Supaplex | I used the same queue name as the printer, in the client |
| 07:52.58 | xingu | for HP printers the hplip/hpijs stuff has a moderately good setup wizard if you weren't already aware |
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| 07:53.29 | xingu | not sure how cups handles its security model; is it maybe trying to run the job as the submitter's effective uid? permissions on lp0 maybe? |
| 07:53.31 | alarm | hello, disabling ksoftirqd could cause problems ? |
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| 07:53.56 | Supaplex | well I can hit test print on the webpage, and the test page spits out fine. |
| 07:54.15 | xingu | Supaplex: sure, but that's a locally generated job on the printserver generated by the cgi user |
| 07:54.31 | xingu | Supaplex: hp-setup is hidden in the bowels of hplip; it's actually rather good :) |
| 07:55.08 | xingu | Supaplex: my own (usb desktjet) jobs are not routed to the usb lp0 directly - they go cups->hplip->hpijs->usbdev |
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| 07:55.36 | Supaplex | there is no usb on this printer |
| 07:55.53 | Supaplex | there's jetdirect, but it's *majorly* busticatedly braindead. |
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| 07:56.03 | xingu | Supaplex: anyway, that's about the limits of what I can do here, if it were lpd I'd be a bit more use than an overcooked noodle |
| 07:56.06 | Supaplex | for that alone I want to shove it off a very high building. |
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| 07:56.19 | Hobbes-- | office space printer scene |
| 07:56.29 | xingu | Supaplex: jetdirect is ok if you stick to the raw queue I've found |
| 07:56.31 | Supaplex | i've never seen office space :) |
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| 07:56.38 | xingu | Supaplex: tcp/9100 or whatever it is |
| 07:56.53 | Supaplex | dhcp is hit/miss, and everytime I've scanned it in the last week, ports are closed |
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| 07:57.10 | xingu | Supaplex: the jetdirect emulated protocols are shite; and no, they don't like portscanning and dhcp is a fubar concept on them too |
| 07:57.11 | eaglejazz | hey fellow debian folks...just wondering how to run and view keygen |
| 07:57.32 | Supaplex | http://users.surfthe.us/scotte/my_hp5si_is_tEh_bootp_retard.avi |
| 07:57.37 | xingu | Supaplex: static address, non-hostile lan, don't snmpwalk or portscan them, and just blast away at tcp/9100 |
| 07:58.18 | Supaplex | the hp4550dn is pretty stable. it just works. ... |
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| 07:58.37 | xingu | Supaplex: there's probably a firmware upgrade for the 5si's jetdirect |
| 07:59.29 | xingu | Supaplex: but apart from that, and back to your real problem; another difference between the jobs is the content type I guess |
| 07:59.34 | Supaplex | really? How on earth do they upgrade? |
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| 07:59.51 | xingu | Supaplex: some unholy combination of snmp and tftp usually |
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| 08:00.15 | alarm | where can i find the ksoftirqd to stop it ? or how do i stop it ? i can't locate it anywhere |
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| 08:00.22 | Supaplex | tftp is running here. I'm rusty on snmp |
| 08:00.34 | xingu | Supaplex: back in the day when I cared, there was a solaris gui I think; prolly a windows one too, and if you're cunning you can probably do it somehow manually |
| 08:00.45 | xingu | Supaplex: I never cared quite enough, the solaris gui worked just fine |
| 08:00.52 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 08:01.13 | xingu | alarm: it's part of your kernel; if it's busy, your box is busy processing interrupts. |
| 08:01.39 | xingu | alarm: the next question is "why"; get powertop, have a look to see what's on top of the list. |
| 08:01.45 | alarm | xingu, how can i have with the old kernel no interrupts and by upgrading to the new kernel to have this thing ? |
| 08:01.53 | Hobbes-- | Good lord, I can't find a copy of the Office Space printer scene! I found five or six "this media has been deleted" notices.. Stupid copyrights... |
| 08:01.56 | alarm | it started after the kernel upgrade actually and permanently uses 30% cpu |
| 08:02.05 | xingu | alarm: what was your old kernel? |
| 08:02.15 | xingu | and for that matter, what's the new one? |
| 08:02.30 | alarm | 2.6.18 (i am not wrong) and new one 2.6.22 |
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| 08:03.06 | xingu | alarm: nothing immediately comes to mind; try powertop, identify what's screaming first |
| 08:03.11 | alarm | that thing with ksoftirqd happened right after the kernel upgrade, and google didnt really help much. i mainly read about network traffic but i dont have that problem actually |
| 08:03.44 | alarm | how will this application help me |
| 08:03.52 | xingu | get it, run it, you'll see. |
| 08:04.02 | Hobbes-- | alarm: is the new kernel stock or custom? |
| 08:04.39 | alarm | i downloaded it from the testing repos |
| 08:04.47 | Hobbes-- | k |
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| 08:05.15 | xingu | Supaplex: it's just possible that the cups printer is taking the ipp print job and unable to convert it to a printable content type |
| 08:05.38 | xingu | Supaplex: hence the suggestion to hplip/hpijs-ify you, and get you to hp-setup that print target |
| 08:05.46 | Supaplex | I have hplip installed |
| 08:05.54 | alarm | xingu, first line: 65.3% (250.0) events/1 : run_workqueue (ir_timer) |
| 08:06.04 | alarm | second 25.5% (109.8) <interrupt> : i8042 |
| 08:06.23 | xingu | Supaplex: if your hardware supports ieee(1984? guessing) then hp-setup can discover it even on lp0 and set it up thataway. |
| 08:06.33 | Hobbes-- | Oh dear! The driver for the LCD display on my keyboard is responsible for 80% of the.. the wakeups? on my system. ..That's obviously bad, but, what does it mean? |
| 08:06.35 | xingu | Supaplex: hplip/hpijs use foomatic for content type conversion you see... |
| 08:06.56 | xingu | alarm: ok so there's your problem (i8042); that's the ps/2 keyboard/mouse controller |
| 08:07.26 | Hobbes-- | xingu: what is the first? that 65% he has? ir_timer |
| 08:07.43 | alarm | ps/2 controller ? i cant remember having problem with that before |
| 08:07.50 | xingu | Hobbes--: see the freq. (250) ? it's the timer tick in a CONFIG_HZ kernel |
| 08:08.06 | xingu | alarm: possibly you did, possibly the i8042 driver has had some bugs fixed which make it care :) |
| 08:09.37 | alarm | let me google that i8042 to see if i can fix it |
| 08:09.56 | xingu | alarm: I'd have to suggest that it's more likely than not to be a hardware problem |
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| 08:10.06 | Hobbes-- | xingu: Wow, that's even further above my head than usual. Hmm, but, the phrase idle CPU is wasted CPU comes to mind. So, the second number is how often a second that event happens? Well, I certainly need to adjust my keyboard driver.. 211 times a second is more than enough to make the display update once a minute.. ;) |
| 08:10.15 | xingu | alarm: does your system have ps/2 keyboard/ mouse ports? is anything connected to them? |
| 08:10.24 | alarm | mouse and keyboard |
| 08:10.27 | alarm | the last... 3 years |
| 08:11.50 | Hobbes-- | xingu: the kernel should work around such problems when possible.. Obviously a workaround is possible, since his hardware used to work (although as you suggest perhaps it only accidentally worked..) |
| 08:11.55 | xingu | alarm: anyway, so the refined issue is - your i8042 device is going bananas, and the device driver is going bananas servicing it |
| 08:12.11 | xingu | alarm: might be worth unplugging the mouse as a test to see if it shuts up |
| 08:12.27 | Hobbes-- | Not while the PC is on. ;P |
| 08:12.32 | alarm | ok i will reboot and check it. |
| 08:12.40 | Hobbes-- | good call. :) |
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| 08:17.29 | alarm | xingu, tried it. loged on kde without the mouse. still the same interupt |
| 08:18.21 | xingu | alarm: try adding i8042.nomux to your boot command line/ kernel args. |
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| 08:18.52 | alarm | i got to change that on the grup loader right ? |
| 08:19.04 | xingu | yep |
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| 08:19.29 | xingu | alarm: /boot/grub/menu.lst: # defoptions |
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| 08:19.56 | xingu | alarm: (leave the # in place, really); then run update-grub and reboot. |
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| 08:21.20 | Supaplex | xingu: ok, I know hpijs works to my satisfaction+cups locally. Were you trying to suggest something else while using cups remotely? |
| 08:21.31 | alarm | now, i should add this under defoptions line or on /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro i8042.nomux ? |
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| 08:21.53 | xingu | alarm: on defoptions; the other line is built dynamically from installed kernels, and defoptions. |
| 08:22.18 | jetscreamer | defoptions then update-grub to make it be |
| 08:22.24 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 08:22.28 | jetscreamer | aka what he said |
| 08:22.41 | xingu | if this works for him I might do this too, my alps glidepoint generates a bazillion interrupts every time I move my cursor |
| 08:23.06 | xingu | I think the driver is a bit nuts, it tries to service non-existant mux slaves |
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| 08:24.08 | alarm | ok ,let me try to restart |
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| 08:25.26 | Supaplex | humm hplip is yet another package. |
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| 08:25.38 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi, is there a best-practice method of installing two instances of Apache on Debian? I've obviously got one from apt-get, is there a way of apt-getting another, or, should I build from source for my second instance? |
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| 08:25.52 | xingu | Supaplex: yep; it's the routing and error control bit |
| 08:25.54 | alarm | still the same |
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| 08:26.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 08:27.02 | HardDisk_WP | does linux support fingerprint readers? |
| 08:27.09 | xingu | alarm: that's me done then; report to linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz cc: dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com |
| 08:27.31 | alarm | how was the option again please ? i8042.mux ? |
| 08:27.34 | HardDisk_WP | mine got usbid 147e:2016 |
| 08:27.42 | xingu | alarm: i8042.nomux |
| 08:27.57 | xingu | alarm: cat /proc/cmdline; make sure it actually got given to your kernel |
| 08:28.30 | HardDisk_WP | does that work? |
| 08:28.41 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP, http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.linux.drivers.thinkfinger/last=/force_load=t |
| 08:28.47 | xingu | alarm: concentrate the fault report on the idea that i8042 shows up as a high interrupt source in powertop |
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| 08:29.22 | alarm | before doing that, let me try something. be right back :) |
| 08:29.24 | alarm | i hope hehe |
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| 08:30.21 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, you mean this 'd work with mine? |
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| 08:30.40 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP, googling for thinkfinger seems at least slightly promising |
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| 08:37.02 | schemelab | What arguments to apt-get tell it to install suggested and recommended packages in addition to the requested package? |
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| 08:37.53 | cast|lir | aptitude does that by default |
| 08:38.07 | schemelab | i've never used aptitude... how easy is it? |
| 08:38.09 | cast|lir | !why aptitude |
| 08:38.09 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 08:38.13 | cast|lir | aptitude install pkg |
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| 08:38.26 | schemelab | thanks for the info cast|lir |
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| 08:38.41 | cast|lir | aptitude has been recommended since sarge iirc |
| 08:38.47 | tobb87 | hi, is there any possibility to come in the bios menu without rebooting the pc and press "del" |
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| 08:39.45 | cast|lir | tobb87: doubt it |
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| 08:41.18 | itchi | tobb87: The bios is not used with Linux |
| 08:41.47 | tobb87 | what do you mean with "is not used" |
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| 08:42.04 | itchi | tobb87: Disable an hdd in the bios and boot up your GNU/Linux ;-) |
| 08:42.18 | tobb87 | i'm only searching a way to acces the bios |
| 08:42.19 | itchi | It still "works(tm)" :-p |
| 08:42.30 | schemelab | cast|lir: aptitude did not even mention the suggested or recommended packages and certainly did not say it would install them: http://paste.lisp.org/display/49138 |
| 08:42.46 | itchi | tobb87: The bios is just used, the time to load the kernel, once the kernel load, the bios may be trashed |
| 08:43.08 | tobb87 | ok... |
| 08:43.28 | itchi | tobb87: The bios is not used, like it is in MS Windows |
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| 08:43.47 | cast|lir | shingouz: man aptitude /-r |
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| 08:43.57 | schemelab | you mean schemelab right? |
| 08:44.00 | cast|lir | schemelab even :) |
| 08:44.10 | cast|lir | i think you might hit an issue of it trying to install everything |
| 08:44.14 | tobb87 | the problem is that the server has no monitor and stands in a dusty corner... argh |
| 08:44.38 | tobb87 | no fun to get in the bios menu |
| 08:44.38 | itchi | tobb87: Do a remote ssh connection and you will be lucky :-) |
| 08:44.48 | tobb87 | ?? |
| 08:44.53 | tobb87 | ssh with bios? |
| 08:45.04 | itchi | tobb87: No, to manage your box |
| 08:45.17 | tobb87 | ehm yes i do that |
| 08:45.23 | tobb87 | i'm speaking about the bios problem |
| 08:45.35 | itchi | tobb87: Tell maybe what the problem is ;-) |
| 08:45.49 | tobb87 | i want to see the bios menu of this dusty server |
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| 08:46.08 | itchi | tobb87: ah :-s |
| 08:46.21 | tobb87 | without creep to the server |
| 08:46.34 | itchi | tobb87: Lazy guy :-p |
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| 08:46.49 | tobb87 | its a dirty work |
| 08:47.01 | itchi | Yeah, sure :-) |
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| 08:47.36 | tobb87 | i did it yesterday... i want that the server starts every morning at 8 o'clock |
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| 08:48.04 | tobb87 | i activated the alarm function in the bios and tested the settings... it works fine... |
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| 08:48.11 | tobb87 | today morning nothing works... |
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| 08:50.15 | itchi | tobb87: It's sunday mate! |
| 08:50.28 | itchi | tobb87: He is lazy like i'm that lazy at a sunday :-p |
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| 09:09.21 | vyrus001 | so... i have a new system that im trying to install deb on, the install is a net inst disk and it dosnt find the network card... so i looked up the card and found out i should be using the e1000 drivers... so i modprobe it and it loads... but the device dosnt come online... what am i doing wrong? |
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| 09:09.50 | yigal | vim binary is gone in sid? |
| 09:10.10 | yigal | I have vim-minimal vim.gnome vim.basic but no vim and no gvim? |
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| 09:10.21 | Dsh4h_ | hello |
| 09:10.32 | yigal | hello |
| 09:10.49 | Dsh4h_ | i've got debian sarge.. does anybody know, which default encoding is set? |
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| 09:11.30 | cahoot | Dsh4h_, see what 'locale' returns |
| 09:11.32 | yigal | also vim-gnome does not open a gui but is a terminal vim? |
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| 09:12.26 | Dsh4h_ | POSIX |
| 09:12.44 | yigal | is there a reason for the removal of /usr/bin/vim ? does anyone know here? |
| 09:13.34 | verter004 | hi guys i have a question:do i have to download 22 cd to install debian on ppc? |
| 09:13.49 | Dsh4h_ | cahoot, hm.. i have some "ä" and "ö"s in my picture names, how can i rename this pictures? |
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| 09:14.13 | yigal | verter004: what is your primary means of installation ethernet or wifi? |
| 09:14.14 | garo | verter004: no |
| 09:14.22 | verter004 | ethernet |
| 09:14.29 | yigal | verter004: then get the netinstall cvd |
| 09:14.30 | garo | download a netinstall cd |
| 09:14.34 | yigal | s/cvd/cd |
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| 09:14.51 | yigal | garo: i hear an echo :) |
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| 09:15.19 | verter004 | well i got used to download a single cd |
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| 09:15.58 | cahoot | Dsh4h_, just out of interest - that's filenames from a windows partition? |
| 09:16.03 | verter004 | what's the alternative to netinstall? |
| 09:16.08 | yigal | verter004: that is exactly what garo and I said, download netinstall and then install what you want |
| 09:16.26 | yigal | verter004: download the first 1-3 CDs |
| 09:16.37 | yigal | verter004: or a DVD |
| 09:16.42 | Dsh4h_ | cahoot, no,.. there are users who load these files on the server.. (over ftp) and i have to manage them.. |
| 09:16.58 | Dsh4h_ | but i can not rename these pictures |
| 09:17.00 | verter004 | there are 4 dvds |
| 09:17.09 | verter004 | it's a bit too much |
| 09:17.21 | yigal | verter004: the 1st one, sorry if this sounds rude but read the instructions |
| 09:17.23 | Supaplex | just download cd1 |
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| 09:18.01 | Supaplex | netinst > cd1 > dvd1 |
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| 09:18.01 | verter004 | Supaplex all that three? |
| 09:18.04 | yigal | verter004: get a brain |
| 09:18.07 | verter004 | or just one of them |
| 09:18.12 | wols | verter004: only ONE |
| 09:18.15 | wols | either or verter004 |
| 09:18.35 | verter004 | ok |
| 09:19.20 | HardDisk_WP | and I always manually install my packages, the tasks suck |
| 09:20.27 | verter004 | i'm asking that cause with other distos like opensuse or fedora it's one cd/dvd so it sounded strange to me huge 22 cds installation |
| 09:20.36 | wols | depends how accustomed to the debian install someone is HardDisk_WP |
| 09:20.52 | HardDisk_WP | yep |
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| 09:21.04 | wols | verter004: I doubt fedora fits on a single CD |
| 09:21.09 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: depends how disconnected one's liable to be from public access networks too |
| 09:21.10 | verter004 | dvd |
| 09:21.27 | Dsh4h_ | http://linuxwiki.de/Debian/locales is this ok?! |
| 09:21.29 | cahoot | Dsh4h_, sorry I've no practical help to offer |
| 09:21.37 | verter004 | ok thnx guys |
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| 09:22.05 | yigal | does anyone here use sid - for personal use - with vim ? |
| 09:22.33 | daveinthesky | yigal: what about vim-gtk? that's weird.. |
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| 09:22.39 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I'm guessing that the nearest mirror to a satellite, or a fly by wire missile might not be too useful |
| 09:22.41 | Dsh4h_ | cahoot, hm.. thats bad, but thanks (: |
| 09:22.44 | cahoot | yigal, vim loads fine here |
| 09:22.51 | HardDisk_WP | ^^^ |
| 09:23.00 | yigal | cahoot: have you upgraded recently ? |
| 09:23.12 | cahoot | upgraded what? |
| 09:23.18 | yigal | cahoot: the system |
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| 09:23.32 | yigal | cahoot: for instance in the last day or so? |
| 09:23.33 | cahoot | today |
| 09:23.40 | cahoot | vim version 7.1.138 |
| 09:23.48 | wols | Dsh4h_: no |
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| 09:24.20 | Dsh4h_ | wols, what would you do? |
| 09:24.24 | wols | Dsh4h_: this is for sarge. /msg dpkg locales and dpkg will tell you. note how debian uses utf8 by default now |
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| 09:25.01 | Dsh4h_ | wols: i've got debian sarge on the webserver |
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| 09:25.13 | wols | poor you |
| 09:25.23 | Dsh4h_ | wols: yess... |
| 09:25.26 | daveinthesky | yigal: try installing vim-gtk and then launch it w/ "vim -g" to get the gui |
| 09:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, thinkfinger dont work with it |
| 09:25.57 | yigal | daveinthesky: i've already done this with vim-gnome and added it to .bash_aliases but I just don't understand why its gone |
| 09:26.17 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP, this is a thinkpad? |
| 09:26.29 | RoyalKnight | how can i download a file with wget over a given device ath0 and not default eth0? |
| 09:26.40 | yigal | daveinthesky: owell? |
| 09:26.48 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, no. one.de c6420/compal f90 |
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| 09:27.14 | daveinthesky | yigal: what do "ls -la /usr/bin/vim" say? |
| 09:27.20 | daveinthesky | s/do/does/ |
| 09:27.35 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP, ok - just that it seems some people using thinkpads got it functional |
| 09:28.07 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, which usb id? 147e:2016 or XXXX:2016? |
| 09:28.18 | yigal | daveinthesky: the chain is something like: /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.full which is gone so it probably has something to do with vim-full :) |
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| 09:28.28 | daveinthesky | ah-ha |
| 09:28.33 | wols | RoyalKnight: set a different defaultroute |
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| 09:28.39 | daveinthesky | okay do "sudo update-alternatives --list vim" |
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| 09:29.17 | daveinthesky | you can then do "sudo update-alternatives --set vim /path/to/correct/vim" |
| 09:29.40 | RoyalKnight | wols: so it is definitively not possible with a parameter |
| 09:29.41 | yigal | daveinthesky: yes vim.full is gone and I have basic or gnome to choose from |
| 09:30.14 | wols | no. routing determines it |
| 09:30.57 | yigal | daveinthesky: so no alias vim='"vim of choice"' |
| 09:31.46 | daveinthesky | yigal: nope, you won't need that once you update-alternatives. if you really want vim-full you could probably also "sudo apt-get install vim-full" |
| 09:32.18 | yigal | daveinthesky: I have installed vim-full, infact I did a aptitude reinstall vim-full, but no sym. link was created ? |
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| 09:33.15 | yigal | so does anyone have sid with vim-full installed and have a working /usr/bin/vim? |
| 09:33.24 | Dsh4h_ | test |
| 09:33.35 | yigal | Dsh4h_: hello it worked :) |
| 09:33.53 | daveinthesky | yigal: this will tell you all the files in the vim-full package: dpkg-query -L vim-full |
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| 09:34.17 | yigal | daveinthesky: I know, and it is missing. |
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| 09:34.55 | yigal | daveinthesky: what does the extra "query" do? |
| 09:35.04 | Dsh4h_ | yigal: thx :) |
| 09:35.09 | yigal | daveinthesky: isn't dpkg -L enough? |
| 09:35.33 | yigal | ah, i am querying for vim-full never mind |
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| 09:36.13 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/sid/vim-full/all/filelist |
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| 09:36.18 | srid | how do I change the default browser? |
| 09:36.23 | srid | www-browser or something |
| 09:36.24 | srid | ? |
| 09:36.40 | daveinthesky | thanks enouf |
| 09:37.00 | enouf | srid: man update-alternatives |
| 09:37.26 | yigal | enouf: yes just checked myself, so my vim-full is missing that file |
| 09:37.26 | enouf | it's x-www-browser IIRC |
| 09:38.09 | srid | yea, x- .. I was wondering why epiphany was not listed in www-browser. |
| 09:38.10 | enouf | yigal: x86? or kfreebsd ? |
| 09:38.21 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: my thinkpad has a 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader |
| 09:38.23 | yigal | enouf: just x86 |
| 09:38.37 | rokstar_rokstar | hi guys, i'm noticing troubles with the non-free sun-java-1.6 series packages, when iceweasel or epiphany or any other gtk browser try to open a page with java applet inside, the browser crash and bug-buddy appear... and crash too. This happen with debian sid. I already tried dpkg-reconfigure sun-java-*packages without result. Does anybody noticed the same problem? |
| 09:38.52 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, ok.../me has 147e:2016 |
| 09:40.07 | yigal | should I file a bug report or something? |
| 09:40.22 | jetscreamer | no java works fine here afaik.. got a url to test? |
| 09:40.32 | jetscreamer | s/afaik/afaict/ |
| 09:40.35 | yigal | i am pretty sure it will be corrected, and it is very very small detail |
| 09:40.55 | rokstar_rokstar | jetscreamer, try there: http://meter.mclink.it/applet.html |
| 09:41.02 | enouf | yigal: what file? run updatedb , update-menus too maybe |
| 09:41.38 | yigal | enouf: the file /usr/bin/vim.full is not in vim-full, from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 09:42.19 | jetscreamer | yigal: i had to hit refresh, and it's really fugly, but it works |
| 09:42.20 | enouf | yigal: are you using debian? and not a debian-based distro? |
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| 09:42.36 | yigal | enouf: I am using sid with sid repos. |
| 09:43.03 | jetscreamer | test is running... |
| 09:43.07 | enouf | yigal: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 09:43.12 | jetscreamer | least i guess that's the translation |
| 09:43.27 | jetscreamer | yeah it works |
| 09:43.28 | yigal | enouf: ii libc6 2.6.1-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:43.33 | rokstar_rokstar | jetscreamer, are you using gnome or kde as DE? |
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| 09:44.25 | jetscreamer | i have both installed but use neither |
| 09:44.33 | enouf | yigal: ok, that's odd then |
| 09:44.54 | jetscreamer | you might need the java plugin and not just the jre |
| 09:45.13 | enouf | yigal: run updatedb, and then locate vim-full |
| 09:45.23 | jetscreamer | !info sun-java6-plugin |
| 09:45.25 | dpkg | sun-java6-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 6-03-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 09:45.42 | enouf | yigal: (i use dlocate often, handy) |
| 09:45.42 | yigal | enouf: do you mean vim.full ? |
| 09:45.58 | enouf | yigal: yeah |
| 09:45.58 | rokstar_rokstar | jetscreamer, now i try to apt-get remove --purge sun-java* and reinstall... who knows, maybe after reinstalling it could work... |
| 09:46.24 | enouf | yigal: also quote it |
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| 09:48.27 | yigal | enouf: dpkg -S 'vim.full' - gives dpkg: *vim.full* not found. - which I think is pretty strong evidence |
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| 09:48.46 | enouf | yigal: fwiw, if ever you need, do "/msg dpkg bug" for info on howto report bug, etc |
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| 09:49.21 | yigal | enouf: ty, I know how to report a bug but I am unsure if I should report a bug in this case, sudo find / -name vim.full produces 0 results |
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| 09:49.23 | enouf | yigal: well, one more thing to try is the examine the .postinst scripts, etc |
| 09:49.36 | enouf | ouch |
| 09:49.36 | yigal | enouf: I am unfamiliar with this |
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| 09:50.28 | enouf | yigal: well, i'd be tracking a bug if i go any further ;-) and installing that pkg requires (too) many depends, though i guess i could d/l the .deb and ar it and examine it |
| 09:50.43 | yigal | enouf: it seems that the package vim-full that I downloaded simply doesn't have vim.full - this is so small that I don't want to spend any more time on it :) |
| 09:51.11 | enouf | yigal: well, reporting a bug will help us all ;-) |
| 09:51.30 | rokstar_rokstar | nothing to do... i removed and reinstalled java6 without any positive result :( i have to try to install from the official .bin |
| 09:51.59 | yigal | enouf: I am unsure if I got the package from ftp.us.debian.org or ftp.debian.org is there a way to find out like in /var/log or something ? |
| 09:52.37 | enouf | yigal: that shouldn't matter, so long as your source.list is appropriate |
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| 09:53.08 | enouf | yigal: and you did say you installed it using aptitude? |
| 09:53.18 | yigal | enouf: yes, I use aptitude |
| 09:53.21 | enouf | yigal: are you sure the pkg is even on your HDD? |
| 09:53.35 | yigal | enouf: yes absolutely |
| 09:53.44 | enouf | Filename: pool/main/v/vim/vim-full_7.1-056+2_i386.deb |
| 09:54.13 | enouf | yigal: sounds like some breakage somewhere |
| 09:54.32 | enouf | yigal: all those other listed files are there/installed? |
| 09:54.32 | yigal | enouf: actually its 1:7.1-138+1 |
| 09:54.51 | yigal | enouf: yes, everyone except |
| 09:54.55 | enouf | my database might be older |
| 09:55.08 | yigal | enouf: yes, makes sense |
| 09:55.23 | enouf | yeah, that's correct version, mine bad |
| 09:55.51 | enouf | bug time ;-) |
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| 09:56.11 | yigal | enouf: humm I will download from http see if the package has the same problem |
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| 09:56.39 | deltaplan | ciao |
| 09:56.43 | deltaplan | !list |
| 09:56.43 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to deltaplan |
| 09:57.12 | deltaplan | !list |
| 09:57.12 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to deltaplan |
| 09:57.22 | enouf | yigal: if you've done everything so far, the 'debian way', using it's pkg managers and appropriate repos and not messing with too many other things, then your issue should be reported |
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| 09:58.01 | yigal | enouf: yes, I believe the latest package has this problem I used a different repos http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/pool/main/v/vim/vim-full_7.1-138+1_all.deb and got the same problem |
| 09:58.05 | enouf | yigal: IMO ;-) |
| 09:58.17 | enouf | i see |
| 09:58.36 | yigal | ok, I will send a bug report |
| 09:58.45 | enouf | yigal: w00t ;-) |
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| 09:59.33 | yigal | :) |
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| 10:10.24 | enouf | yigal: yeah, just d/l the .deb into /tmp myself, then ar -x name.deb, then tar -zxvf data{control}.tar.gz, NO /usr/bin/vim.full -- AND no /usr/share/lintian/overrides/vim-full (as listed at p.d.o) -- then i also did "cat preintall" and "zless ./usr/share/doc/vim-full/NEWS.Debian.gz" .. can't see what's up offhand, but there was this error when unpacking the data.tar.gz ->tar: .: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted |
| 10:10.27 | enouf | and tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 10:11.11 | enouf | i happen to use your http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/pool/main/v/vim/vim-full_7.1-138+1_all.deb to d/l directly |
| 10:13.12 | enouf | xingu: novell+suse? lol |
| 10:13.53 | xingu | enouf: just curious, because in his usual style there's what looks like a major bump (2006 cvs -> 2007) since my last ia32 update |
| 10:14.00 | xingu | enouf: and of course, no changelog. :) |
| 10:14.10 | xingu | enouf: so naturally one goes hunting the upstream... |
| 10:14.11 | enouf | xingu: ahh ;-) |
| 10:14.27 | enouf | heh, good luck with that |
| 10:14.56 | xingu | yeah, I'm getting about there now |
| 10:15.08 | xingu | frickin A/V types |
| 10:15.16 | xingu | almost as bad as security loons |
| 10:15.45 | enouf | kinda like brickettes, wall warts .. way too many for no reason whatsoever |
| 10:16.13 | enouf | (not to mention proprietary poo) |
| 10:16.30 | enouf | FastFind? O.o |
| 10:16.45 | xingu | ffmpeg |
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| 10:16.54 | xingu | apparently there's a server component buried in there |
| 10:16.58 | xingu | news to me |
| 10:17.03 | enouf | hrm |
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| 10:18.13 | enouf | yigal: fwiw, found this url in the /usr/share/doc/vim-full/NEWS.Debian.gz file http://pkg-vim.alioth.debian.org/vim-policy.html/index.html |
| 10:18.17 | xingu | seems to be a shoutcast-y kinda redistributor |
| 10:18.26 | xingu | "ffserver" |
| 10:18.45 | enouf | hrm, mpd? jack? shout! :-p |
| 10:18.56 | xingu | yeah, and now ffserver too |
| 10:19.02 | xingu | NIH, in spades |
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| 10:19.27 | xingu | mpeg4 on m-rtsp oughta be good enough for anyone |
| 10:19.38 | enouf | heh |
| 10:19.47 | enouf | rtsp should be shot |
| 10:20.05 | enouf | well, along with Flashshit |
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| 10:20.39 | yigal | enouf: nothing in there indicating /usr/bin/vim.full should be gone - I filed it fwiw |
| 10:21.23 | enouf | yigal: thanks |
| 10:22.48 | enouf | yigal: i just don't ever recall seeing those tar errors, and maybe lintian (whatever that is) has something to do with the breakage |
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| 10:23.31 | enouf | yigal: i actually got those errors for both data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz |
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| 10:24.13 | enouf | so maybe it's just build-pkg breakage (or whatever) |
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| 10:26.32 | roxy_ | is there a way to tell aptitude or ndiswrapper to set up everything for the next kernel ? |
| 10:27.08 | yigal | enouf: I can't imagine its a big deal but it's still worth reporting, I think :) |
| 10:27.21 | enouf | yigal: hrm -- This package is simply a transitional package from vim-full to vim-gnome. |
| 10:27.29 | enouf | yigal: indeed |
| 10:27.53 | yigal | roxy_: you could write a script, but as far as I know no |
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| 10:28.40 | enouf | yigal: ahh the * Brown-paper bag bug in vim-full.preinst. Need to grep for bin/vim.full |
| 10:28.40 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.51 | enouf | zless ./usr/share/doc/vim-full/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 10:29.36 | yigal | enouf: bin/vim.full isn't there ? |
| 10:29.40 | enouf | much more to date ( Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:45:04 -0400 |
| 10:29.41 | enouf | ) |
| 10:29.50 | yigal | enouf: rather consued now |
| 10:29.59 | enouf | yigal: somethings broke .. ;-) |
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| 10:30.08 | enouf | yigal: er somethings broke .. ;-) |
| 10:30.11 | enouf | gah |
| 10:30.13 | enouf | + ' |
| 10:30.28 | xingu | where the heck did I park that link for a multicast-aware audio streamer |
| 10:30.36 | xingu | might have even been a jack transport available for it |
| 10:30.53 | yigal | enouf: ok :) |
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| 10:33.17 | xingu | pulseaudio |
| 10:33.27 | xingu | hot damn these neurons aren't as quick as they once were |
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| 10:36.20 | Lukemob | Hey, is anyone here who know ISPConfig? |
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| 10:37.17 | funkyou | Lukemob: using it on one server |
| 10:37.28 | roxy_ | where can I find the "ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.21-2-amd64" equivalent for 2.6.22 ? I can't find none of them here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 10:37.43 | valdyn | roxy_: you create that package |
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| 10:38.09 | roxy_ | valdyn: I forgot about that, thanks for the info. |
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| 10:38.14 | Soner | http://www.stormofcash.com/index.php?ref=ezis15 EARN REALL MONEY ON E-GOLD!!! |
| 10:38.28 | Bladerunner05 | After installed debian 3.0.3-1 on debian etch using grub when I start it the error: Panic on CPU 0: Could not set up DOM0 guest OS |
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| 10:39.05 | itchi | Soner: That's far off topic man |
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| 10:39.36 | theclaw | hi |
| 10:39.48 | cast|lir | Bladerunner05: would help if you were a bit more descriptive...like mentioning xen |
| 10:39.56 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.56 | Soner | alls ok 1 time spam )) |
| 10:40.14 | itchi | Soner: That's not up to me to take care of this :-p |
| 10:40.16 | Bladerunner05 | xen 3.0.3-1 |
| 10:40.20 | Soner | i dont spam anymore just doing my work |
| 10:40.34 | yigal | Soner: I will remember to not listen to you |
| 10:40.35 | itchi | Soner: So you work is spamming the world? |
| 10:40.44 | itchi | your* |
| 10:40.46 | Soner | yes |
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| 10:40.53 | Bladerunner05 | packages installed: xen-utils-3.0.3-1 xen-utils-common xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386 xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 xen-docs-3.0 |
| 10:40.53 | Bladerunner05 | linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-686 linux-modules-2.6.18-5-xen-686 sysfsutils file |
| 10:40.56 | Soner | spaming that message and i earn money for that |
| 10:40.57 | yigal | can a moderator boot Soner |
| 10:41.07 | cast|lir | !ops Soner is a spammer |
| 10:41.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cast|lir complains about: Soner is a spammer |
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| 10:41.26 | itchi | Soner: Your cleaned nwo :-p |
| 10:41.27 | Soner | lol wanna i start real spam |
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| 10:41.33 | theclaw | /etc/menu-methods/gnome-panel-data generates .desktop files in /var/lib/gnome/Debian - how to access those entries with gnome 2.18? |
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| 10:41.54 | tomaw | Soner: Please stop spamming that. |
| 10:42.06 | theclaw | in my "Applications" menu, I can see other entries, but not those in the "Debian" directory in |
| 10:42.10 | theclaw | -in |
| 10:42.20 | Soner | tomaw lol i spammed 1 time |
| 10:42.30 | tomaw | Soner: in multiple channels. |
| 10:42.34 | Soner | yea |
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| 10:42.38 | itchi | Soner: Look to the definition of spam! |
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| 10:42.39 | Bladerunner05 | <cast|lir> : have u see what I wrote ? |
| 10:42.45 | tomaw | Soner: Don't :) |
| 10:42.56 | Soner | oh ok today ^^ |
| 10:43.02 | Soner | maybe next time |
| 10:43.12 | Soner | when soner change IP )) |
| 10:43.15 | valdyn | Soner: Janis Jansons is you or your boss? |
| 10:43.24 | Soner | xD |
| 10:43.30 | Soner | who is janis jansons |
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| 10:43.41 | yigal | please can we talk about awesome nerd stuff rather than spammers |
| 10:43.47 | valdyn | Soner: owner of your IP probably |
| 10:43.53 | theclaw | yigal: for example about my menu-methods questioN! |
| 10:43.56 | theclaw | ,) |
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| 10:44.13 | Soner | i have my inet |
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| 10:44.18 | Soner | i dont share it |
| 10:44.20 | itchi | yigal: Just ask and if someone is able to help, believe it, he will. Seems that no one yet know a hint for you |
| 10:44.40 | yigal | I just don't enjoy babbling about spam, thats all |
| 10:44.41 | theclaw | itchi: you mean me? |
| 10:44.48 | itchi | theclaw: also |
| 10:45.01 | valdyn | Soner: that's probably your isp then |
| 10:45.07 | itchi | Sorry, i could not help you for this :-' |
| 10:45.08 | valdyn | Soner: LTC-HOME |
| 10:45.41 | cast|lir | Bladerunner05: i did |
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| 10:46.29 | Soner | dunno |
| 10:46.42 | DustyBin | im going to buy a old thinkpad X series laptop, one of the original IBM ones, I want to install Debian on it, the only thing what concerns me is battery life, does debian contain tools what helps maintain the battery life on thinkpad laptops? |
| 10:46.45 | Soner | maybe my new ip )) i change it at nights )) |
| 10:46.45 | war | Anyone notice the mouse is too sensitive in Xorg 7.2+? (When i single click, it sometimes double clicks (selects a line))? |
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| 10:47.09 | valdyn | DustyBin: yes, plenty |
| 10:47.11 | xingu | !sunday |
| 10:47.11 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 10:47.33 | enouf | Bladerunner05: might that supposed to be domU? dom0 is the host, iinm |
| 10:47.49 | itchi | Darkmagister: CPU scalling, turning HDD of, there's even a project to undervold the cpu's |
| 10:47.59 | bullgard4 | What is the function of the directory /sys/devices/platform? |
| 10:48.01 | xingu | DustyBin: old any kind of notebooks tend to have worn out batteries anyway |
| 10:48.06 | itchi | Darkmagister: Not only the cpu's but even other parts |
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| 10:48.08 | Soner | Tomaw i clixked X srry xD |
| 10:48.13 | xingu | DustyBin: I wouldn't figure on an *unused* battery lasting >5y |
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| 10:48.32 | Bladerunner05 | <enouf>: yes |
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| 10:49.02 | enouf | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/04/1520258&from=rss related? |
| 10:49.03 | DustyBin | xingu: maybe I could buy a new battery for it |
| 10:49.05 | itchi | war: You are a fast clicking guy :-p |
| 10:49.08 | Bladerunner05 | <enouf>: but the host don't start |
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| 10:50.18 | Bladerunner05 | <enouf> Don't think that post is usefull |
| 10:50.18 | itchi | war: I run 7.2-5 and does not have these troubles |
| 10:50.25 | war | itchi: usb mouse? |
| 10:50.29 | itchi | war: yes |
| 10:50.29 | Soner | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.38 | war | itchi: using ps/2 one here, maybe thats the issue |
| 10:50.44 | Bladerunner05 | I stalled on my machine other than normal debian |
| 10:50.49 | xingu | DustyBin: would definitely suggest you do if it's >3yo |
| 10:50.50 | enouf | http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualization/archives/2007/10/security_vulner.html |
| 10:51.05 | itchi | war: I have and PS/2 on another comp and still works fine there |
| 10:51.44 | xingu | DustyBin: "old" - as in date of manufacture not date of model first/last sale. |
| 10:51.46 | itchi | I hit to much my tab key, sadly the autocompletion in irssi :-p |
| 10:51.48 | Bladerunner05 | don't this is a security problem |
| 10:51.51 | valdyn | bullgard4: why don't you read the sysfs documentation? |
| 10:51.55 | enouf | Bladerunner05: i'm guessing here -- ask #xen, or email the debian maintainers at lists.debian.org |
| 10:52.00 | war | itchi: k, thx for the info, good to know it works normal for others ;) |
| 10:52.16 | enouf | Bladerunner05: and just trying to give you some recent info |
| 10:52.22 | itchi | war: Maybe is the button of the mouse to sensible ? |
| 10:52.22 | robin_sz | hi guys/girls ... after many years of using a debian laptop, im back on XP :( .. can't seem to find a debian driver for the wireless card in this Dell. Any clues to save me from this fate worse than death? its an intel pro 3945ABG wireless adaptor |
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| 10:52.36 | jelly-home | !ipw3945 |
| 10:52.36 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 10:52.39 | DustyBin | interesting: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Debian |
| 10:52.40 | itchi | war: I may say, try with another one to see if it's config related or hardware |
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| 10:52.54 | valdyn | robin_sz: why can't you find that driver? |
| 10:52.54 | robin_sz | thnaks jelly |
| 10:53.01 | itchi | robin_sz: Works like a charm on my laptop |
| 10:53.09 | valdyn | robin_sz: im not sure its in etch, but it surely is in debian |
| 10:53.22 | Darkmagister | i to every one i have a problem with gimp and liferea package when i try to remove or configure it the dont work and i receeive an error http://nopaste.simosnap.com/2692 |
| 10:53.24 | valdyn | !ipw3945 |
| 10:53.24 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 10:53.31 | xand | !why is virtualbox-ose-modules not in testing? |
| 10:53.31 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose-modules is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=virtualbox-ose-modules |
| 10:53.33 | valdyn | ops |
| 10:53.33 | enouf | robin_sz: the welder? ;-) |
| 10:53.48 | robin_sz | enouf: mmmmm might be |
| 10:53.59 | enouf | robin_sz: heh |
| 10:54.00 | itchi | robin_sz: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118#setting_up_the_wireless_network |
| 10:54.16 | enouf | !tickle itchi |
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| 10:54.20 | robin_sz | itchi: with the driver ill be fine |
| 10:54.21 | simonrvn | that is one fugly URL |
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| 10:54.52 | xand | grrr |
| 10:54.54 | itchi | simonrvn: Yeah, sorry, my old web project, i'm working on the pyguicms (a python version) :-p |
| 10:55.07 | enouf | try google for fugly urls |
| 10:55.09 | Darkmagister | ? |
| 10:55.21 | simonrvn | no kidding hehehe |
| 10:55.54 | simonrvn | !comfort xand |
| 10:55.54 | dpkg | There, there, xand. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:56.11 | itchi | sorry, i had could keep it shorten, s/\~david// |
| 10:56.46 | enouf | get busy with lguest and kvm |
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| 10:58.23 | itchi | That link is not that fugly, just that anchor make more noise :-( |
| 10:58.44 | itchi | Anyway, your right, it's already fixed in the pyguicms, but who care :-p |
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| 10:59.52 | simonrvn | Darkmagister: stick "LANG=C" in front of the command you did, please (no quotes). |
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| 11:00.49 | Darkmagister | simonrvn i dont understand very well |
| 11:00.50 | simonrvn | Darkmagister: is the fiorst time you ran that, or did you run that a few times already? |
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| 11:01.00 | simonrvn | is that the* |
| 11:01.10 | simonrvn | !it |
| 11:01.10 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 11:01.26 | simonrvn | be easier on you if you go there |
| 11:01.32 | simonrvn | Darkmagister: ^^ |
| 11:02.06 | Darkmagister | ok |
| 11:02.09 | Darkmagister | :D thanks |
| 11:03.09 | simonrvn | np |
| 11:04.36 | cast|lir | $ less *.r10 |
| 11:04.37 | cast|lir | No rar or unrar available |
| 11:04.42 | cast|lir | fucking hell. its not a rar file -_- |
| 11:05.08 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 11:05.32 | cast|lir | [thought i'd just vent my frustration at the assumption that .r10 was part of a split rar volume] |
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| 11:13.40 | OXIj | i have swap on lvm. make swapoff and then lvdisplay. and swap lv is # open 1. why? and how to fix it? system wont shutdown correctly because of this |
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| 11:15.42 | simonrvn | i have the same, and see no such problems on shutdown |
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| 11:16.27 | OXIj | simonrvn, it wont stop vg with active volume |
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| 11:17.06 | Dorshin | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release.gpg Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed ou... |
| 11:17.06 | OXIj | but swap is off and it should be #open 0 |
| 11:17.35 | Dorshin | why i cant update? |
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| 11:17.52 | Dorshin | i dont have problem with connection |
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| 11:18.44 | theatro | Dorshin, change mirror |
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| 11:19.47 | ignotus | hello, I am looking for a command line tool to create video DVD-R file structure from avi files, which I can burn to a DVD. |
| 11:19.51 | ignotus | any hints? |
| 11:20.05 | Dorshin | how can i find additional repositories? |
| 11:20.15 | ignotus | Dorshin: apt-get.org is a good resource |
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| 11:22.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have an question: when you would setup an VNC terminal server like this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xvnc_terminal_server, would you install the complete x-winow-system on the server and give the server an x enviroment at startup or how would you do it? |
| 11:23.51 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 11:23.59 | HardDisk_WP | i've accidentally rm -rf'd my whole /var tree |
| 11:24.09 | HardDisk_WP | can I make Debian rebuild it? |
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| 11:24.48 | cast|lir | heh |
| 11:24.50 | cast|lir | i doubt it. |
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| 11:25.06 | marc7 | HardDisk_WP: that's a tough deal. |
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| 11:26.15 | HardDisk_WP | -.- |
| 11:26.16 | HardDisk_WP | shit |
| 11:26.32 | Nyle | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 11:26.33 | Nyle | permitted by applicable law. |
| 11:26.37 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.48 | Nyle | what does the last part of it mean really |
| 11:26.51 | Nyle | in practicality |
| 11:27.01 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Take the backup back :-p |
| 11:27.09 | HardDisk_WP | what backup? |
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| 11:27.18 | HardDisk_WP | i got one from my ~ directory... |
| 11:27.22 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: For you /var tree |
| 11:27.22 | Nyle | what is permitted by law, if you yourself say we give this to you with no warranty |
| 11:27.24 | HardDisk_WP | but not of the rest^^ |
| 11:27.27 | HardDisk_WP | yea^^ |
| 11:27.33 | HardDisk_WP | gonna reinstall... |
| 11:27.34 | Nyle | anyone? |
| 11:27.57 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: See for snapshot as backup system, kinda good |
| 11:28.05 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: sorry, rsnapshot |
| 11:28.18 | tomacco | nyle: depends on your location |
| 11:28.21 | wols | HardDisk_WP: If I sell you a CD, I have to give you a warranty |
| 11:28.23 | HardDisk_WP | but i'll look into it |
| 11:28.32 | HardDisk_WP | wols, yep |
| 11:28.37 | wols | e.g. the CD won't suddenly spin out and crack for example |
| 11:28.50 | Nyle | ok.. I don't really understand. What local laws could force debian to warrant their product? |
| 11:28.52 | wols | d'oh. should have been for Nyle |
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| 11:29.03 | Nyle | if i understand this correctly (which I don't think I do) |
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| 11:29.18 | tomacco | ask a lawyer? |
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| 11:29.36 | Nyle | well, now you want me to go hunt down a lawyer :( |
| 11:29.38 | wols | the sofware itself is not under warranty or guaranteed to be fit for any purpose |
| 11:29.51 | wols | ask debian-legal |
| 11:29.59 | Nyle | there we go |
| 11:30.03 | Nyle | channel or list? |
| 11:30.13 | tomacco | well, generally when you have a question about laws, you ask a lawyer |
| 11:30.16 | itchi | Nyle: /join #debian-legal |
| 11:30.22 | Nyle | ahh channel |
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| 11:31.01 | itchi | Nyle: If there would be someone in that channel :-p |
| 11:31.21 | Nyle | hmm.. I forgot, my sister did law school, although she is a detective, she probably knows some stuff still |
| 11:31.27 | Nyle | I'll call her when she wakes up |
| 11:31.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | anyone any idears to my question? |
| 11:31.35 | Dorshin | i cant connect to a server using ssh using ssh command |
| 11:31.40 | tomacco | detectives probably dont know civil law, only criminal law |
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| 11:32.11 | Nyle | tomacco: but they do have to study civil law for a bit, at least a class or two, maybe she knows or knows someone that knows |
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| 11:33.04 | xand | Nyle: here... all products sold have to be fit for purpose, whatever any "get out" says |
| 11:33.43 | Dorshin | i have connected using putty through windows,but i have just tried to connect in my debian |
| 11:33.52 | xand | Dorshin: install ssh |
| 11:33.53 | Dorshin | cant connect ssh server |
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| 11:34.09 | Nyle | to the extent xand where? |
| 11:34.13 | itchi | Dorshin: Is the firewall blocking it? |
| 11:34.18 | Nyle | uk eh |
| 11:34.43 | xand | Nyle: the contract is with the retailer though, not manufacturer |
| 11:34.45 | Dorshin | i could connect in windoz |
| 11:34.47 | Nyle | I lived there for a while, but I was too small to know othe laws or anything except toys |
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| 11:35.45 | xand | Dorshin: can't connect *to* or *from* your debian machine? |
| 11:35.49 | Nyle | xand: i see. and someone retails debian? I mean from what I understand so far... if a shopkeep sells 24 debian cds, he has to warrant his product (the quality/reliability of the media on which debian is given out)? |
| 11:35.55 | xand | Dorshin: and does it time out, or is it connection refused? |
| 11:36.05 | Nyle | but not the software |
| 11:36.09 | Dorshin | xand: time out |
| 11:36.18 | Nyle | software comes with no waranty... am I correct in saying this |
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| 11:36.36 | xand | Nyle: don't know, but you're not buying it for the media are you |
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| 11:36.54 | graytron | Nyle: at least free software usually :) |
| 11:36.56 | xand | Dorshin: and the first question? |
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| 11:37.16 | graytron | seems like Microsoft software also |
| 11:37.19 | Dorshin | xand: yes, :) |
| 11:37.37 | Nyle | xand: not I, but if I were to debian os for $1/cd, which is completely free, I am not providint warranty for the software, rather for the media on which I put it on, by law? |
| 11:37.45 | xand | Dorshin: that may be logically correct, but it's not helpful |
| 11:37.46 | Nyle | s/to debian/to sell |
| 11:38.01 | xand | Nyle: I don't know |
| 11:38.14 | Nyle | hmm ok, I'll ask someone who knows the legal tidbits |
| 11:38.18 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 11:38.55 | Dorshin | i tried to connect different ssh server, it just waits... |
| 11:39.01 | lord_rob | Hi ! Does debian use multicast DNS by default ? |
| 11:39.57 | Dorshin | another question, i am using etch, so, can i add every repository i find in apt-get.org? |
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| 11:40.40 | theatro | Dorshin, ssh server? |
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| 11:41.35 | Dorshin | theatro: sorry, i couldnt understand your question. |
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| 11:41.53 | theatro | you said ssh server? why ssh? |
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| 11:42.53 | Dorshin | i got connected in windoz,i was trying to connect to a ssh server in my debian, but i couldnt. |
| 11:42.57 | HardDisk_WP | is alsa-project.org down 4me only? |
| 11:43.24 | marc7 | i can't reach it either |
| 11:43.49 | lord_rob | HardDisk_WP: doesn't work here |
| 11:43.56 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 11:44.04 | Dorshin | another question, i am using etch, so, can i add every repository i find in apt-get.org? |
| 11:45.05 | cast|lir | i dunno, can you? |
| 11:45.22 | lord_rob | you should always be carefull when adding unofficial repositories Dorshin |
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| 11:47.40 | Dorshin | i mean, would i face a compatibility problem if i add any repository in apt-get.org |
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| 11:52.21 | wols | Dorshin: possibly yet. maybe not now but later |
| 11:52.45 | wols | s/yet/yes |
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| 11:54.28 | jelly-home | Dorshin: I'd advise against using any unofficial repositories unless you know you need them |
| 11:55.15 | Nyle | good morning |
| 11:59.07 | itchi | Nyle: Good afternoon :-p |
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| 11:59.37 | Nyle | good $timeofday |
| 11:59.54 | itchi | Dorshin: I should avoid to do this, this may break your toy a day |
| 12:00.39 | itchi | Dorshin: And lesser add repo's of Ubuntu |
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| 12:04.51 | mac_55 | hi guys, how do I find out which version number I'm running? |
| 12:05.12 | abrotman | !version |
| 12:05.12 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 12:05.49 | mac_55 | thanks |
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| 12:12.42 | bullgard4 | What is the function of the directory /sys/devices/platform? |
| 12:13.04 | russo | hey guys... does anyone here run asterisk? My init script is driving me crazy |
| 12:13.07 | Dorshin | itchi: how can i find ubuntu repositories for my debian? |
| 12:13.15 | russo | its not working |
| 12:13.21 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 12:13.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 12:13.55 | russo | wols: it won't start the daemon... for whatever reason. If i start it through sbin, however... it works! |
| 12:14.12 | thedonvaughn | Dorshin, don't add _any_ ubuntu repos. why would u need to? |
| 12:14.16 | cast|lir | Dorshin: you don't. that makes no sense. ubuntu is not debian. debian is not ubuntu. |
| 12:15.00 | Dorshin | itchi told me to :) |
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| 12:17.55 | roxy_ | could someone give me a link on how to build the ndiswrapper module ? |
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| 12:21.08 | Dorshin | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release.gpg Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out |
| 12:21.36 | Dorshin | and i get the same error for another repository |
| 12:22.38 | xeor | I'm trying to get the SELinux targeted policy source on Debian so I can change the rules and build them. I downloaded selinux-policy-refpolicy-src and found some source in that one. But is the source for the targeted policy anywhere to be found? |
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| 12:27.07 | abrotman | Dorshin: are you using a proxy? |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 12:27.14 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 12:27.16 | abrotman | roxy_: ^^ |
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| 12:28.10 | Dorshin | abrotman: no i am not using |
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| 12:28.32 | abrotman | well ... 1.0.0.0 isn't an IP for security.d.o |
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| 12:31.20 | Dorshin | i have uncommented the lines in my sources.lst, and apt-get update |
| 12:31.41 | Dorshin | i know there is no proxy. |
| 12:32.20 | amirf | hi, how can i open a tar from srv01 in to srv02 ? |
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| 12:34.43 | abrotman | amirf: are those directories or servers ? |
| 12:35.01 | amirf | abrotman: no foo.tar.gz |
| 12:35.31 | amirf | abrotman: and he is on srv01! i need to open it extract it into srv01 |
| 12:35.34 | Dorshin | i couldnt fix my system but thank you people! |
| 12:36.01 | abrotman | amirf: tar -zxf ? |
| 12:36.20 | abrotman | amirf: i'm not sure i understand what you're asking |
| 12:37.39 | amirf | i have "foo.tar.gz" on SRV01. Now i need to extract it on SRV01 (with out copying it into SRV02) |
| 12:37.50 | amirf | abrotman: better ? |
| 12:38.09 | amirf | i have "foo.tar.gz" on SRV01. Now i need to extract it on SRV02 (with out copying it into SRV02) |
| 12:38.17 | amirf | sorry guys :( |
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| 12:40.08 | abrotman | amirf: you can untar it over netcat |
| 12:40.57 | amirf | abrotman: did you understand what i need ? |
| 12:41.10 | abrotman | yeah |
| 12:41.29 | abrotman | http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/tarpipe.html |
| 12:42.00 | amirf | abrotman: ? |
| 12:42.08 | abrotman | amirf: you could also mount the other system over shfs or something .. and then untar it htat way |
| 12:42.31 | amirf | abrotman: 10 |
| 12:42.33 | amirf | x |
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| 12:44.43 | bolt | are there any open-source tools available to join avi files? |
| 12:44.46 | cast|lir | 'The tar command is less sloppy than what you find in Linux.' yet i don't find the use of tar convincing there, and he seems to be confusing Linux with GNU, anyone who wants can install bsdtar |
| 12:45.21 | ZEA | hi. what package(s) contain man pages for the linux api? (i.e., system calls, etc) |
| 12:45.48 | cast|lir | manpages |
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| 12:46.02 | cast|lir | hmm, has something in it |
| 12:46.26 | cast|lir | ok, that wasn't the right package :\ |
| 12:46.51 | cast|lir | manpages-dev looks good |
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| 12:47.40 | DustyDingo | hi, i have some conflict problems |
| 12:47.53 | DustyDingo | i use the fglrx-kernerl-src |
| 12:48.29 | ZEA | cast|lir: that's it. thanks :) |
| 12:48.45 | DustyDingo | when i want to a distupgrade apt would install all xserver-xorg-video-* packages |
| 12:48.53 | wols | DustyDingo: that's normal |
| 12:48.59 | DustyDingo | and remove the fglrx-* |
| 12:49.08 | DustyDingo | wols: how can i fix that? |
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| 12:49.32 | wols | fix the fglrx dependencies |
| 12:49.54 | wols | what do they say for your fglrx-kernel-src? |
| 12:50.03 | DustyDingo | as far as i can see the new xorg version depends on xserver-xorg-video-all |
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| 12:50.14 | ZEA | DustyDingo: what dist are you using? |
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| 12:50.50 | CharminTheMoose | i'm having a problem with colour printing in CUPS.. whenever i try to print a picture using CUPS, the image comes out all grey and weird dots.. like ASCII |
| 12:50.51 | ZEA | DustyDingo: or better yet, to what dist are you upgrading to? |
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| 12:51.27 | DustyDingo | ZEA: i use unstable |
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| 12:51.57 | wols | DustyDingo: those are exactly the errors you're supposed to be able to handle on your own when you run unstable |
| 12:52.10 | ZEA | DustyDingo: there you have it |
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| 12:52.26 | DustyDingo | http://phpfi.com/268897 |
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| 12:52.57 | wols | DustyDingo: that's pretty but totally useless |
| 12:53.27 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm, my system has been acting up as of late |
| 12:53.41 | amirf | i have "foo.tar.gz" on SRV01. Now i need to extract it on SRV02 (with out copying it into SRV02) |
| 12:53.41 | ledet | DustyDingo: post the dependencies for fglrx-kernel-src instead |
| 12:53.42 | DustyDingo | i know, i am just saying, that this is the current problem i deal with |
| 12:53.55 | DustyDingo | 8.40.4-2 - debhelper (2 5) make (0 (null)) bzip2 (0 (null)) fglrx-driver (0 (null)) module-assistant (16 (null)) kernel-package (0 (null)) |
| 12:54.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | my kicker had been continuously crashing, think it was zeroconf, so i uninstalled it |
| 12:54.06 | abrotman | DustyDingo: try a dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:54.16 | The_Ultimate_Sam | my bittornado program has stopped functioning |
| 12:54.36 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i cant install the newest version of mplayer, and my apt-get upgrade keeps failing |
| 12:54.38 | DustyDingo | abrotman: that would remove the fglrx-* paclages and pull lots of useless stuff in |
| 12:54.58 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:55.12 | abrotman | that's what you get for running unstable and using binary-only drivers :) |
| 12:55.25 | The_Ultimate_Sam | me? |
| 12:55.27 | abrotman | amirf: i just told you how |
| 12:55.47 | DustyDingo | abrotman: that won't help me much ;) |
| 12:56.00 | jetscreamer | does apt-get dist-upgrade fail also |
| 12:56.01 | abrotman | DustyDingo: you're not supposed to need help .. you're running unstable :) |
| 12:56.11 | cast|lir | The_Ultimate_Sam: this would be in etch would it? |
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| 12:56.17 | wols | DustyDingo: it's more helpful than what you said so far about your problem |
| 12:56.21 | amirf | abrotman: this is not what i was looking for | i have to do it using "dd" and ssh |
| 12:56.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i believe so |
| 12:56.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | the current testing |
| 12:56.35 | jetscreamer | that wouldn't be etch then |
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| 12:56.40 | abrotman | amirf: no you don't |
| 12:56.48 | wols | amirf: sounds like homework |
| 12:56.56 | jetscreamer | paste the errors The_Ultimate_Sam |
| 12:57.00 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 12:57.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:57.11 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: beginning with your aptitude problem |
| 12:57.21 | amirf | wols: no real fxxx work, lol |
| 12:57.39 | amirf | please guys help me! my bos i crazy |
| 12:57.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | aptitude? apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:57.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.25.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 12:57.45 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 12:57.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 12:57.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:58.00 | abrotman | !tell The_Ultimate_Sam about overwrite |
| 12:58.00 | jetscreamer | !tell The_Ultimate_Sam -about paste |
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| 12:58.04 | wols | amirf: if it's real world work you can use any tool that gets the job done. if you need to use special tools it's some sort of school work |
| 12:58.08 | abrotman | amirf: i told you how to do it |
| 12:58.10 | stew | amirf: ssh SRV02 tar xzf - < foo.tar.gz |
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| 12:58.36 | stew | amirf: however that will untar it into the home directory |
| 12:58.37 | amirf | stew: i'll try 10x |
| 12:58.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.25.1_i386.deb |
| 12:58.47 | dpkg | package --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.25.1_i386.deb is already installed |
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| 12:59.04 | jelly-home | amirf: only one time should be enough |
| 12:59.22 | amirf | stew: not allways im working in IT(windows) and now i moved to linux so it's half wor half homework |
| 12:59.27 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok... |
| 12:59.33 | amirf | jelly-home: ? |
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| 12:59.39 | stew | amirf: if you need to untar it somewhere else, man tar |
| 12:59.45 | jelly-home | amirf: nevermind |
| 12:59.47 | jetscreamer | then redo the dist-upgrade The_Ultimate_Sam |
| 12:59.57 | jetscreamer | note the dist- |
| 13:00.04 | stew | amirf: he meant, that there is no reason to try it 10x, just once, you said you were going to try it 10x |
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| 13:00.15 | jetscreamer | tennex |
| 13:00.18 | jelly-home | 10x meaning "ten times" |
| 13:00.33 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 13:00.35 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 13:00.44 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: 10x C shell? |
| 13:00.47 | DustyDingo | wols: than what it is you want to hear? as i explained i have all depencies for fglrx-* installed but the new xorg version needs xserver-video-all and that seems to conflict with fglrx stuff |
| 13:01.05 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 13:01.15 | jetscreamer | that's an easy sid problem |
| 13:01.19 | jetscreamer | homework |
| 13:01.28 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 13:01.36 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39687 |
| 13:01.55 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thats everything outputed from it... |
| 13:01.56 | amirf | stew: ha ha lol |
| 13:02.22 | jetscreamer | that was an upgrade not dist-upgrade eh The_Ultimate_Sam ? |
| 13:02.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | yeah, just an upgrade |
| 13:03.03 | jetscreamer | hence the dist- emphasis |
| 13:03.04 | amirf | stew: now i have to run in from SRV02 (rescue PC so i cant "ssh srv02") |
| 13:03.13 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i was hoping the problem was a bad install caused a problem with python which can be fixed with an upgrade (been a while anyways) and then my bittornado would work again |
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| 13:03.44 | jetscreamer | so do the two things i mentioned The_Ultimate_Sam and see |
| 13:03.46 | roxy_ | I got ndiswrapper and the module working fine on 2.6.21. Do I need to rebuild everything to make it work with 2.6.22 ? |
| 13:03.58 | jetscreamer | yes roxy_ , iirc |
| 13:04.29 | jetscreamer | you could try it |
| 13:05.02 | jetscreamer | you could force the module to load, and it would probably work |
| 13:05.12 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: I don't have ethernet so need to reboot to 2.6.21 to have internet, I don't want to try to many options. |
| 13:05.14 | jetscreamer | but why bother |
| 13:05.25 | jetscreamer | just recompile it |
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| 13:05.30 | jetscreamer | for .22 |
| 13:05.42 | jetscreamer | i guess that means .22 made it to testing |
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| 13:05.47 | xand | it does |
| 13:05.49 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: it did indead |
| 13:06.18 | jetscreamer | i loaned my testing laptop to my mother :) |
| 13:06.30 | dvs | jetscreamer: cruel man! |
| 13:06.55 | roxy_ | first step in how to loose your inheritance :-) |
| 13:07.10 | jetscreamer | well it dual boots xp :/ |
| 13:07.20 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok, its running...hmm...maybe this will also work for mplayer |
| 13:08.09 | jetscreamer | me i always dist-upgrade never just upgrade.. but i want it to break if it will. |
| 13:09.03 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm...is it a bad idea to run apt-get upgrade from console? |
| 13:09.19 | jetscreamer | no, but aptitude is the preferred method |
| 13:09.33 | The_Ultimate_Sam | aptitude? |
| 13:09.41 | wols | DustyDingo: several people asked you the same thing, me and others. you don't reply, so suit yourself |
| 13:09.51 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade vs aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 13:10.07 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 13:10.08 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 13:10.36 | jetscreamer | dselect is better than aptitude at dependencies no matter what anybody says :) |
| 13:11.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but it occurs to me, that it is going to restart x, is it at the end of its upgrade? cus it seems if it isnt, when it restarts x it wont be able to finish... |
| 13:11.27 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 13:12.25 | The_Ultimate_Sam | right now its going to restart the display manager....when it starts up again though, konsole wont be able to continue if there is more of the install...will it? |
| 13:12.27 | jetscreamer | oh i guess you mean you're doing it in an xterm |
| 13:12.41 | stew | The_Ultimate_Sam: what is going to restart the display manager? |
| 13:12.43 | jetscreamer | no it won't restart x |
| 13:12.51 | wols | why would X restart? |
| 13:13.04 | jetscreamer | because it was told to... but it won't be told to |
| 13:13.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39689 |
| 13:14.23 | stew | The_Ultimate_Sam: right that confirms that x wont be restarted |
| 13:14.37 | OXIj | HEHE. i found why i got an Cant stop active lvm volume error =) |
| 13:14.44 | jetscreamer | when it's all done log out and then in a console do /etc/init.d/kdm restart The_Ultimate_Sam |
| 13:14.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ah...hehe, reading comprehension FTW |
| 13:14.59 | jetscreamer | or just reboot if you're lazy |
| 13:15.10 | xingu | holy audio skew batman |
| 13:15.14 | OXIj | because initramfs by def trying to resume from swap |
| 13:15.40 | OXIj | noresume in grub solved it |
| 13:15.43 | jetscreamer | c1ve ? |
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| 13:16.20 | OXIj | m? |
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| 13:16.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 13:16.58 | OXIj | i asked here 1 hour ago. nobody answered |
| 13:17.11 | jetscreamer | maybe nobody knew |
| 13:17.25 | OXIj | now i have read all initscripts and found by myself |
| 13:18.02 | OXIj | it was funny |
| 13:18.02 | jetscreamer | wtg! \o/ |
| 13:18.02 | DustyBin | im using awstats but i have to keep on changing my apache2 log manually otherwise awstats cannot read the log |
| 13:18.02 | jetscreamer | make a factoid |
| 13:18.02 | DustyBin | -rw-r----- 1 root www-data 513105 2007-10-14 06:02 access.log.1 <-- these permissions work |
| 13:18.02 | jetscreamer | !listkeys resume |
| 13:18.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'resume' by key (1): talonix's resume. |
| 13:18.05 | OXIj | make a what? |
| 13:18.07 | DustyBin | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 11604 2007-10-14 13:14 access.log <--- this does not work |
| 13:18.10 | jetscreamer | factoid |
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| 13:18.30 | DustyBin | what controls the permissions of log files? |
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| 13:18.38 | OXIj | hm. its more about lvm than about resume |
| 13:18.56 | OXIj | also i think its a bug in kernel |
| 13:19.23 | OXIj | kernel should release unused partition for resume |
| 13:19.32 | OXIj | but it wont |
| 13:19.42 | jetscreamer | dpkg Cant stop active lvm volume error is <reply> initramfs is by default trying to resume from swap. adding noresume in grub's menu.lst solved it for one person. |
| 13:19.42 | dpkg | that's too long, jetscreamer |
| 13:20.13 | OXIj | wait a min |
| 13:20.22 | nex- | !cacti |
| 13:20.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, cacti is a full network graphing solution designed to harness the power of RRDTool's data storage and graphing functionality. It provides a fast poller, advanced graph templating, multiple data acquisition methods, and user management features out of the box. All of this is wrapped in an intuitive, easy to use interface that makes sense for LAN-sized installations up to complex networks with hundreds of devices. cacti.net |
| 13:20.24 | OXIj | ill get a prop error |
| 13:20.28 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:20.30 | jelly-home | DustyBin: if the app uses logrotate, logrotate config. |
| 13:20.35 | jetscreamer | i see nex- found #debian |
| 13:21.00 | jetscreamer | more info than ubotu eh |
| 13:21.12 | DustyBin | jelly-home: does apache2 use logrotate? |
| 13:21.37 | OXIj | what is <reply> for? |
| 13:21.48 | DustyBin | my logrotate.conf contains hardly no information at all |
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| 13:22.02 | jelly-home | DustyBin: it does. look in /etc/logrotate.d/ too |
| 13:22.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do i change the permissions on the rts daemon...ive had to switch juk to outputing to a dif deamon because aRTS was causing the audio to get all skippy, which i have been told is from not having the right permissions |
| 13:22.05 | jetscreamer | it keeps the bot's added comments out... like i heard.. or somebody said... |
| 13:22.09 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 13:22.21 | jetscreamer | i heard arts sucks |
| 13:22.24 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 13:22.39 | cast|lir | !arts |
| 13:22.39 | dpkg | i heard arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 13:22.47 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well juk crashes on certain songs when outputting to this one... |
| 13:22.52 | DustyBin | jelly-home: found it :D |
| 13:22.57 | jetscreamer | i do like kmix though |
| 13:22.58 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and it doesnt on arts |
| 13:23.02 | xingu | jetscreamer: vaio picturebook |
| 13:23.14 | jetscreamer | xingu: yes i googled it and said 'ah' |
| 13:23.30 | xingu | jetscreamer: sorry, trying to debug how to get what I want to happen, to happen |
| 13:23.47 | jetscreamer | xingu: sorry? how dare you be sorry!!! :) |
| 13:24.09 | xingu | jetscreamer: which is - stream all ordinary output via pulseaudio via mcast; and, rx it and play it, also |
| 13:24.17 | OXIj | dpkg Can't remove open logical volume error (lvm) is <reply> initramfs is by default trying to resume from swap. "noresume" option in kopt= in menu.lst solved it for 1 person |
| 13:24.17 | dpkg | that's too long, OXIj |
| 13:24.46 | xingu | jetscreamer: 80% of the way there now; next is trying to work out where the skew is coming from; pulseaudio *should* be dealing, via latency guesstimates; but that's not working it seems |
| 13:24.49 | OXIj | dpkg Can't remove open logical volume error (lvm) is <reply> "noresume" option in kopt= in menu.lst (grub) solved it for 1 person |
| 13:24.49 | dpkg | that's too long, OXIj |
| 13:24.50 | jetscreamer | gah i tried pulse when it first came into sid... it didn't work out for me |
| 13:24.53 | OXIj | rrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 13:25.26 | OXIj | dpkg DO NOT BE greedy! |
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| 13:25.37 | jetscreamer | OXIj: i thnk the name of the factoid is too long is the thing.. btw you can /msg dpkg create_this_factoid is <reply> something_here |
| 13:26.50 | OXIj | dpkg Can't remove open logical volume error for swap <reply> initramfs is by default trying to resume from swap. "noresume" option in kopt= in menu.lst (grub) solved it for 1 person |
| 13:26.50 | dpkg | OXIj: that's too long |
| 13:27.07 | OXIj | dpkg lvm swap <reply> initramfs is by default trying to resume from swap. "noresume" option in kopt= in menu.lst (grub) solved it for 1 person |
| 13:27.07 | dpkg | okay, OXIj |
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| 13:27.37 | OXIj | if someone can find this now) |
| 13:27.39 | stew | !forget lvm swap <reply> initramfs |
| 13:27.39 | dpkg | i forgot lvm swap <reply> initramfs, stew |
| 13:27.57 | OXIj | stew, than how? |
| 13:28.00 | stew | !lvm swap is <reply> initramfs is by default trying to resume from swap. "noresume" option in kopt= in menu.lst (grub) solved it for 1 person |
| 13:28.00 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 13:28.08 | jetscreamer | the is |
| 13:28.31 | stew | OXIj: they way you had it someone was going to have to ask dpkg about "lvm swap <reply> initramfs" |
| 13:28.38 | jetscreamer | you created a factoid named 'lvm swap <reply> initramfs ' |
| 13:28.42 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 13:29.12 | OXIj | not understand but OK =) |
| 13:29.51 | DustyDingo | i have done i distupgrade now and it removed the fglrx-driver package |
| 13:30.04 | roxy_ | can I ask module-assistant to prepare for a kernel not running atm ? |
| 13:30.20 | DustyDingo | however, i have no idear, why i can't install it or what the conflict is, what is the best way to find that out? |
| 13:30.21 | jetscreamer | the word 'is' is where dpkg differentiates bwtween the name of the fact and the information about the fact |
| 13:30.24 | OXIj | now there is 1 problem out =) same message as lvm but for md ))))) |
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| 13:30.44 | dvs | DustyBin: it probably installed a new kernel. |
| 13:30.57 | jetscreamer | yes roxy_ |
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| 13:31.17 | DustyDingo | i have checked all dependencies fglrx-driver and there is no problem |
| 13:31.23 | DustyDingo | dvs: it hasn |
| 13:31.28 | DustyDingo | *hasn't |
| 13:31.30 | stew | DustyDingo: aptitude why-not packagename |
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| 13:32.27 | DustyDingo | ah, that helps |
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| 13:34.56 | rmaj | my debian box is useless recently, how to fix it |
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| 13:35.35 | stew | rmaj: you are going to have to be more specific |
| 13:35.35 | rmaj | one in 1000 keypresses (and 1 in 100 for ctrl- keys) repeats itself 100-300 times when pressed, hanging my X for several seconds processing that; Ideas? |
| 13:35.36 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 13:35.36 | jetscreamer | damn, rmaj, that's a killer error message |
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| 13:36.13 | stew | rmaj: does it happen if you switch keyboards? |
| 13:36.17 | rmaj | (because some brilliant guy didnt limit the queue length in X server to like 5 events which would minimize this crazy effect) |
| 13:36.27 | rmaj | stew: yes, laptop build in and attached usb the same |
| 13:37.03 | rmaj | if one application is hanged processing the stupid queue, then even after switching focus to another application, still doesnt stop the first one from processing |
| 13:37.04 | jelly-home | rmaj: does it happen if you disable key repeat with xset? |
| 13:37.32 | rmaj | jelly-home: that would fell me feel almost like on windoze, but let me try |
| 13:37.49 | jetscreamer | hung |
| 13:37.55 | spq | i have some boxes which use another box as nss/pam-pgsql unix account server - the account server is crashed but is back now but on some of the boxes which used that server i cant login, ssh just ask for the username and then does nothing... |
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| 13:39.10 | jelly-home | rmaj: it's offtopic, but I'v enever seen problems with keyrepeat in windows |
| 13:39.15 | DustyDingo | hm xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-1.0, tho it is one of its dependencies |
| 13:39.26 | rmaj | jelly-home: can't set the rate above 50, can you |
| 13:39.40 | jelly-home | rmaj: never needed to |
| 13:39.40 | DustyDingo | and fglrx-driver provides this package |
| 13:39.42 | DustyBin | DustyDingo: your my long lost brother :D |
| 13:39.47 | rmaj | jelly-home: Im typing very fast |
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| 13:40.06 | DustyDingo | DustyBin: your evil brother? |
| 13:40.10 | DustyBin | :D |
| 13:40.13 | rmaj | s/typing/using keyboard |
| 13:40.26 | dvs | no, dingos are usually evil. ;-) |
| 13:40.28 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.37 | jetscreamer | / |
| 13:40.43 | DustyDingo | eh! |
| 13:40.53 | xingu | hmm, this really is quite annoying, sound server is working perfectly - except that the clocks are drifting and it never resequences |
| 13:41.01 | DustyDingo | any further idears what i can do? |
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| 13:41.09 | xingu | maybe time to go play with jack :| |
| 13:41.29 | Placid | Anyone upgraded wordpress via apt recently? |
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| 13:41.39 | Placid | I'm getting errors with regards to a DB table |
| 13:41.49 | Placid | (it's missing, it wasn't updated) |
| 13:41.57 | pocukrani | i get some problems if i change etch back to sarge ? |
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| 13:42.10 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 13:42.10 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 13:42.35 | jelly-home | !partial downgrade |
| 13:42.35 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 13:42.39 | Placid | I'm not sure how I'm going to upgrade the DB |
| 13:42.55 | jelly-home | dvs: ha! |
| 13:44.01 | rmaj | jelly-home: stew: it do not occure when no repeat (-r), it do happen on repeat; the efect was I think less strong long time ago (older kernels like 2.6.1x and older xorg/package, dunno which is important) |
| 13:44.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39692 is that ok? |
| 13:45.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it exited with an error code 1...thats usualy bad... |
| 13:45.05 | k31th | Ok, all i want is a SMTP server on my box to send out voicemails for my asterisk server, however I want it to send them via my ISP SMTP server as this is whitelisted etc, whats best for this? I know I can do this in sendmail but I am no sendmail fan. |
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| 13:46.09 | rmaj | ok |
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| 13:46.18 | Silvia | hi... |
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| 13:46.20 | rmaj | its the HP guys - they fucked up my laptops |
| 13:46.31 | rmaj | http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=963176&admit=-682735245+1192369459713+28353475 |
| 13:46.41 | rmaj | I wonder is there a workaround in linux |
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| 13:47.48 | stew | rmaj: why would you have to workaround that? the fix in that thread is not dependant on the os |
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| 13:48.12 | Silvia | i have a script in /etc/init.d/ with a case in order to accept "start" or "stop". if i do an update-rc.d script defaults, it is supposed that start or stop argument are passed from the run level ?? |
| 13:49.17 | abrotman | rmaj: and there's a fix apparently |
| 13:49.20 | Silvia | for example, from rc5.d, ths script would be called script start automatically? |
| 13:49.30 | stew | Silvia: yes, update-rc.d should have created links in /etc/rc?.d named S20yourscript and K20yourscript, the ones starting with S will be passed "start" and the ones starting with "K" will be passed "stop" |
| 13:49.30 | Silvia | idem from rc6.d |
| 13:49.47 | Silvia | oks. |
| 13:49.58 | Silvia | steven_, a lot |
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| 13:50.39 | raboof_ | how do I get a list of packages and installed version numbers for a package, like the one reportbug reports? |
| 13:50.50 | raboof_ | dependencies, that is ;) |
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| 13:53.11 | Silvia | stew, if i put a script in rcS.d, it will be executed allways system boot ?? |
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| 13:55.00 | vin | ciao |
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| 13:55.09 | vin | ho un problema! ho perso le impostazione dell'utente e nella cartella home/utente non ritrovo i miei file.. sapete se da shell esite aulche comando di restore |
| 13:55.21 | vin | sapete darmi una mano? |
| 13:55.42 | asg | !it |
| 13:55.42 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 13:55.58 | vin | ok, ciao |
| 13:57.32 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to make rtl columns in latex? |
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| 14:00.22 | tourt | Hello, everyone. I'm trying to understand how to make my 4.1 speakers work. I own a [00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05)] and I have a 4.1 sound system, but only 2 satelites (front) and subwoofer is working, using stable debian with kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64 ... I can't find any usefull information how to configure it. Does anyone have this pci sound working properly? Thanks!! |
| 14:00.56 | tourt | of course, the cables are properly connected :-) |
| 14:01.14 | cahoot | tourt: did try speaker-test? |
| 14:01.58 | tourt | :-) no |
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| 14:02.08 | tourt | didn't know about it |
| 14:02.39 | vyrus001 | anybody know if there is a way to install debian from a sata dvd drive? |
| 14:02.40 | cahoot | tourt: aplay -L should list available pcm options |
| 14:02.44 | tourt | cahoot: a _lot_ of noise!!!! sounds like I'm under a gigant water fall!! |
| 14:03.33 | tourt | cahoot: aplay -L outputs a big list |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | !kmtuo |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 14:03.37 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:04.10 | cahoot | tourt: surround41 being one? |
| 14:04.43 | tourt | aplay -L | grep surround41 |
| 14:04.43 | tourt | surround41 'cards.pcm.surround41' |
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| 14:05.37 | cahoot | tourt: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Emu10k1 - for more parctical advice |
| 14:05.52 | DustyDingo | hm, everything gets worse |
| 14:06.01 | spq | i have some boxes which use another box as nss/pam-pgsql unix account server - the account server is crashed but is back now but on some of the boxes which used that server i cant login, ssh just ask for the username and then does nothing... |
| 14:06.17 | DustyDingo | after remocing fglrx-* i can't reconfgiure the xserver |
| 14:06.27 | DustyDingo | and it won't start |
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| 14:07.16 | DustyDingo | i simply get the error 'No device detected' |
| 14:08.04 | tourt | cahoot: I doing to have a lot at it. About the speaker-test, it only tests Front left(?).... |
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| 14:08.45 | \Renegade_ | i all |
| 14:08.51 | \Renegade_ | hi all |
| 14:08.59 | DustyDingo | i have set the video driver to 'ati', but that didn't worked so i simply did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:09.07 | DustyDingo | which fails because of the following reason: |
| 14:09.44 | DustyDingo | xserver-xorg/config/device driver not set |
| 14:09.55 | \Renegade_ | has any 1 managed to get vent to work with push to talk? in debian is there a fix ? |
| 14:10.04 | DustyDingo | any idears how i can fix that? |
| 14:10.33 | \Renegade_ | has any 1 managed to get vent to work with push to talk? in debian is there a fix ? |
| 14:10.35 | xingu | hmm, 2.6.23 is going to flush a metric truckload of "oh crap my piix devices are now all sd* not hd*" people out of the woodwork |
| 14:10.55 | xingu | someone should /topic this before 2.6.23 hits sid |
| 14:11.28 | abrotman | xingu: it's unstable? :) |
| 14:11.34 | DustyDingo | *grml* it was a very bad idear to fix the fglrx issues |
| 14:11.45 | xingu | abrotman: yeah yeah, just wait until the channel is being buried four times a day |
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| 14:11.54 | abrotman | only four ? |
| 14:12.05 | cahoot | tourt: this might also be of use: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~bondhugu/alsamch.shtml |
| 14:12.13 | xingu | abrotman: constant drizzle with the occasional downpour |
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| 14:13.59 | DawnLight | vyrus001: i did just that |
| 14:14.14 | DawnLight | i'm lagging horribly |
| 14:14.49 | xand | that's three Dusty people here |
| 14:15.19 | ringo999 | hi. i have installed apache2 under debian etch. the standard root folder is /var/www, which is owned by root. My question is, where is actually a good place to put www content and with what owner/group rights? |
| 14:15.20 | asg | must be a drought |
| 14:15.39 | DustyDawnLight | how does my irc client calculate lag? |
| 14:15.46 | xand | maths |
| 14:16.31 | DustyDingo | DustyBin: look whoes here |
| 14:16.32 | tw-nym | ringo999: /var/www is standard and is usually a good spot, owned by root. htdocs inside that should probably be owned by apache's user. |
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| 14:16.56 | xand | not apache's user. |
| 14:17.05 | xand | otherwise they'll be writable by apache, that's bad |
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| 14:17.22 | dbmoodb | !u |
| 14:17.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:17.25 | tw-nym | Sometimes that's desirable >.> |
| 14:17.25 | DustyDingo | *grml* really no idears how i can fix my xserver? |
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| 14:17.31 | DustyDingo | i am completely stuck |
| 14:17.31 | abrotman | vesa driver |
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| 14:17.50 | ringo999 | tw-nym: but when i do www development, i dont want to do this as root user, do i? |
| 14:18.17 | DustyDingo | abrotman: hm, i could give that a try, right |
| 14:18.25 | xand | ringo999: I'd make them owned by you... change the group of /var/www and give yourself access to the group |
| 14:18.36 | DustyDingo | tho i have a more general debconf problem, which i can't handle |
| 14:18.41 | stew | ringo999: make it owned by you, or a group you are in. if the apache user can change files that it serves, it makes potential apache vulnerabilities worse |
| 14:18.43 | xand | s/give yourself access/add yourself/ |
| 14:18.44 | cuse | Hi! How can I make use of HAL (in Debian etch)? I would like to use HAL from KDE to mount devices, but I've got a permission error. Do I have to adjust config file(s) or do I just have to add myself to some group? |
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| 14:19.51 | DustyDingo | abrotman: good point, what a lovely fallback vesa drivers are :) |
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| 14:20.42 | abrotman | FSVO lovely |
| 14:21.08 | stew | sounds like vesa would in fact be lovely compared to the current state |
| 14:21.18 | ringo999 | any swedish users around? what are good www hosting services in sweden? im looking for one that supports ssh access... |
| 14:21.20 | stew | DustyDingo: which chipset do you have? |
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| 14:22.19 | wols | stew: he has sid, and suddenly a upgrade will remove his formerly working fglrx |
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| 14:23.03 | stew | yeah, i saw that |
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| 14:28.00 | amirf | hi, how can i copy a line and paste it? using vi or vim !!! |
| 14:28.17 | xand | highlight, middle click? |
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| 14:28.38 | amirf | xand: no mouse |
| 14:28.53 | stew | amirf: 'yy' will copy a line, 'p' will paste |
| 14:29.11 | amirf | stew: thanks |
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| 14:30.26 | vy | Hi, all! Does anybody have an idea about this m4 problem: http://rafb.net/p/I0XuXw78.html |
| 14:30.39 | vy | BTW, Is it possible to define global variables in m4? |
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| 14:35.24 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make KNetworkManager always start with root rights? |
| 14:35.36 | HardDisk_WP | I want it to autostart at login |
| 14:35.42 | DustyDingo | stew: video chipset? ati mobility radeon X1300 |
| 14:35.45 | HardDisk_WP | but without the need of having to enter a password |
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| 14:36.50 | cahoot | just use wpa_supplicant |
| 14:37.47 | HardDisk_WP | manual entering of stuff on commandline?! |
| 14:38.16 | HardDisk_WP | I like commandline, but not that much that I'd like to fiddle around with it half an hour to just get Wifi... |
| 14:38.18 | DustyDingo | the sad thing is, vesa is no solution for me, i need 3d for blender and therefore a working fglrx with current kernel and current xorg |
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| 14:38.46 | ringo999 | actually, im now considering running my own webserver since i have a static ip. does anyone know of a dns service provider, where you can manually make dns changes? |
| 14:38.47 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: a matter of one edit session |
| 14:38.58 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 14:39.07 | HardDisk_WP | but no way to get knm running? |
| 14:39.25 | DustyDingo | HardDisk_WP: i know that it won't help much if someone suggests other solutions instead of dealing with your actual problem, but have you thought about just using ifup/down scripts and /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:39.47 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 14:40.00 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: no idea - just that I switched from nm to wpa_suppl because of the reason you describe |
| 14:40.09 | HardDisk_WP | well, I need somethin' quick and easy...and I like the gui of knetworkmanager |
| 14:40.21 | DustyDingo | for e.g. i personally have my users in the sudoers without any authentification and he only can execute ifup and ifdown |
| 14:40.48 | DustyDingo | and i have several mappings for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces for my wireless cards |
| 14:41.14 | DustyDingo | all i have to do is to log in, do a sudo ifup eth1=uni and i am done |
| 14:41.15 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
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| 14:41.52 | sdubois92 | I'm tryign to intsall the Pidgin.deb and it isnt working. I got the data installed fine |
| 14:41.56 | sdubois92 | http://rafb.net/p/wHoxFe81.html |
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| 14:43.37 | abrotman | sdubois92: because you're rtrying to install a package on etch not meant for etch |
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| 14:44.27 | sdubois92 | is there a pidgin for Etch on getdeb? |
| 14:44.36 | stew | sdubois92: you need to recompile that deb for etch |
| 14:45.32 | sdubois92 | how do i do that? |
| 14:45.44 | stew | sdubois92: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 14:47.29 | s4xxon | hello , i tried to install linux-headers for my kernel but i get: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 14:47.50 | cahoot | obsoleted? |
| 14:48.01 | jelly-home | obsodeleted! |
| 14:48.01 | stew | s4xxon: 2.6.18-4 was replaced by 2.6.18-5 for security reasons, you should upgrade |
| 14:48.03 | s4xxon | installing the 2.6-686 would do ? |
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| 14:48.14 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 14:48.34 | |DuReX| | hi :) is there a way to force reboot my pc on a general protection fault ? |
| 14:48.46 | s4xxon | i upgraded to 2.6.22 , but i am using 2.6.18 kernel at the moment and i want to download the header files for the .18 kernel |
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| 14:49.32 | abrotman | |DuReX|: watchdog maybe |
| 14:49.57 | DustyDingo | |DuReX|: 'general protection fault'? |
| 14:50.38 | stew | s4xxon: if you really want the headers for 2.6.18-4 you could look on snapshot.debian.net but it would be recommended to instead upgrade to 2.6.18-5 |
| 14:50.42 | stew | DustyDingo: signal 11 |
| 14:50.51 | |DuReX| | yep DustyDingo: something crashes :P |
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| 14:51.23 | s4xxon | stew i am on testing, and i got allready 2.6.22 kernel on my system. but somehow it doesnt work fine. thats why i am running 2.6.18 at the moment and i need the header files for 2.5.18 to install nvidia drivers |
| 14:51.59 | |DuReX| | abrotman: watchdog will reboot it ? :) |
| 14:52.43 | Shifty | hey all, i mountede my external usb ntfs harddrive in the fstab with following line ---> /dev/sdb5 /media/Serien ntfs-3g user,users,gid=www-data,umask=0002,force 0 0 <--- why can i only read on this drive??? |
| 14:52.48 | stew | s4xxon: what cpu do you have? |
| 14:53.43 | s4xxon | P4 |
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| 14:54.47 | stew | oh wait, on testing |
| 14:55.24 | stew | s4xxon: you'll have to manually download linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 and linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 from http://packages.debian.org |
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| 14:55.41 | ^Timo^ | Morning fellows |
| 14:55.47 | ^Timo^ | i am getting some error |
| 14:55.49 | ^Timo^ | configure: error: PAM headers not found |
| 14:55.50 | stew | s4xxon: and you'll need to install gcc-4.1 and set the CC environment variable to /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 before you try to compile modules against it |
| 14:55.58 | ^Timo^ | somebody know what to do ? |
| 14:56.02 | s4xxon | i know that. |
| 14:56.11 | stew | ^Timo^: what are you trying to compile? |
| 14:56.14 | Shifty | some 1?????? |
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| 14:56.30 | ^Timo^ | openssh-4.2p1-chroot |
| 14:56.38 | ^Timo^ | stew : openssh-4.2p1-chroot |
| 14:56.48 | DustyDingo | hm, when i do a ifup eth0 and the interface is configured as 'inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces, who will acctually start dhclient? |
| 14:56.51 | Ratzinger | pace e pene |
| 14:57.01 | ^Timo^ | with the option : ./configure --exec-prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh --with-pam |
| 14:57.07 | stew | Shifty: can you write to it as root? |
| 14:57.15 | stew | ^Timo^: apt-get build-dep openssh |
| 14:57.16 | s4xxon | i need also the linux-image ? |
| 14:57.19 | Shifty | stew ... mom |
| 14:57.59 | DustyDingo | my problem is, that i can't configure dhclient over the interfaces file, so i want to use udhcpc for some interfaces and dhclient as a default |
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| 14:58.12 | DustyDingo | is there a way to do this with ifup scripts? |
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| 14:58.47 | stew | s4xxon: you need linux-image and linux-headers to be the same version. linux-headers for your current kernel is no longer distributed by debian becuase that kernel has security vulnerabilities fixed in 2.6.18-5 and therefor it is recommended to upgrade to 2.6.18-5 |
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| 14:59.00 | s4xxon | okie |
| 14:59.01 | Cyorxamp | Can anyone remember the bit you can add to a command line to force the output to a specific X display? |
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| 14:59.28 | s4xxon | thank you a lot |
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| 14:59.53 | stew | Cyorxamp: "DISPLAY=:1 somcommand" would send it to the second x server or "DISPLAY=1.2.3.4:0 somecommand" would send it to some other ip address |
| 15:00.09 | Cyorxamp | cools :D |
| 15:00.16 | martyn_ | simonrvn, ice63, remember me.. . |
| 15:00.47 | DustyDingo | or do i have to remove dhclient completely and use udhcpc instead? |
| 15:02.42 | Shifty | stew: yes i can write as root |
| 15:02.51 | Shifty | but i want to write as normal use |
| 15:02.52 | Shifty | r |
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| 15:04.02 | ^Timo^ | stew : i didn't work |
| 15:04.10 | The_Ultimate_Sam | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:04.10 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 15:04.14 | ^Timo^ | ps : i am dutch and running a dutch distro to |
| 15:04.41 | stew | ^Timo^: you aren't running debian? |
| 15:04.59 | The_Ultimate_Sam | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 |
| 15:05.24 | Shifty | stew: i can write folders as normal user .... but no files ... WTF? |
| 15:05.24 | ^Timo^ | stew : E: construction requirements for openssh could not be satisfied. |
| 15:05.28 | stew | Shifty: then you either need to add a uid= for your user or you need to change the gid= to be a group that your user is in, or you need to change the umask to 000 (which is not recommended) |
| 15:05.29 | zicho | You have to add the non-free repositories |
| 15:05.30 | ^Timo^ | thats what i am getting |
| 15:05.39 | ^Timo^ | in dutch it is |
| 15:05.47 | zicho | The_Ultimate_Sam: You have to add the non-free repositories |
| 15:05.49 | ^Timo^ | : E: Bouwvereisten voor openssh konden niet voldaan worden. |
| 15:05.54 | The_Ultimate_Sam | what would those be? |
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| 15:06.00 | xingu | give a man a fish, and he eats for a day; hit him with a fish, and he's gone for good |
| 15:06.09 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i feel i should already have them |
| 15:06.19 | Shifty | stew: i can create or delete folders ... no porblem... but if i touch a file ... error -.- |
| 15:06.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | since i have installed them before |
| 15:06.35 | zicho | The_Ultimate_Sam: Check your sources.list |
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| 15:07.03 | stew | ^Timo^: can you run "LANG=C apt-get build-dep openssh" and put the output onto a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:07.26 | stew | Shifty: what error do you get? |
| 15:07.27 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i forget where thats at |
| 15:07.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have a tendancy to forget the location of things i dont use often |
| 15:07.52 | ^Timo^ | ok |
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| 15:08.14 | martyn_ | simonrvn, ice63: My sound card, ID: Realtek 268 is working. I downloaded the driver for Linux from realtek.com and see in the Readme.txt that the version of my sound card is support then I run install.sh and reboot.. and it work. :): Laptop Toshiba Satellite: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G. ;-) |
| 15:08.16 | The_Ultimate_Sam | doesnt seem to be in apt or /etc/apt/ |
| 15:08.17 | ^Timo^ | stew : E: Build-dependencies for openssh could not be satisfied. |
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| 15:08.45 | stew | ^Timo^: it dodn't tell you which packages it was having a problem with? |
| 15:08.54 | stew | ^Timo^: that is the entire output? |
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| 15:10.24 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok, i found it |
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| 15:10.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it was in /etc/apt/ but didnt want to come up when i called it |
| 15:10.51 | ^Timo^ | stew : yes |
| 15:11.07 | stew | ^Timo^: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:11.08 | ^Timo^ | in total |
| 15:11.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have multiple sources that say contrib non-free |
| 15:11.11 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
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| 15:11.54 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so what do i have to do to get my nvidia working? |
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| 15:12.41 | ^Timo^ | stew : http://pastebin.ca/736435 |
| 15:12.47 | ^Timo^ | thats the output |
| 15:13.09 | DawnLight | !tell The_Ultimate_Sam about nvidia |
| 15:13.12 | lanweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.24 | lanweb | quit |
| 15:13.53 | xingu | hmm, if xntpd can get 10^(-17) or so worth of precision in phase between two clocks, why don't these streaming media types just borrow its algorithm for phase error estimation? |
| 15:14.03 | stew | ^Timo^: it looks like you are trying to mix sarge and etch? (aka debian 3.1 and debian 4.0) |
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| 15:14.40 | stew | ^Timo^: can you also show the output of "apt-cache showsrc openssh ; apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 15:15.33 | HardDisk_WP | how do I prevent the ALSA packages from being installed? |
| 15:15.40 | HardDisk_WP | I compile alsa myself |
| 15:15.52 | Shifty | ok problem solved... thx steven_ |
| 15:15.53 | wols | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 15:15.53 | Shifty | ok problem solved... thx stew |
| 15:15.59 | HardDisk_WP | but do not want any package depending on it installing ALSA over my self installed |
| 15:16.03 | Shifty | sry steven_ ^^ |
| 15:16.18 | HardDisk_WP | wols, thanks :) |
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| 15:21.06 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: just out of academic interest, what does that buy you? |
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| 15:21.18 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: nb, this not a precursor to a flame, genuinely interested |
| 15:21.38 | The_Ultimate_Sam | gahh...i dont understand this |
| 15:21.51 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it says they are the newest version |
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| 15:22.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | the nvidia kernel, the glx, the settings, all say the same thing, they are all the newest verison |
| 15:22.33 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so they wont be installed |
| 15:22.36 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, you mean ALSA? the testing version has a bug in Intel HDA driver |
| 15:22.47 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but the x server is saying they dont exist |
| 15:22.51 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how can both be true? |
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| 15:24.08 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: fair do; I tend to just stick with the in-kernel v, it's usually recent-enough for me |
| 15:24.24 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I'm using HDA audio but it seems sane enough for this codec |
| 15:24.44 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: what's the bug? |
| 15:25.01 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, sound doesn't work...no sound out of speakers |
| 15:25.30 | HardDisk_WP | on **untu forums there was a thread about same problem on same laptop |
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| 15:25.50 | fever | hi |
| 15:26.06 | fever | can anyone help me to setup vhosts on debian? |
| 15:26.39 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: *nod*; fortunately my codec and its wiring were added ~2.6.20 or so (uniwill p53) |
| 15:26.54 | DawnLight | can a command line interface to an rs-232 irrigation valve controller be considered a hardware driver? |
| 15:26.55 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: pastebin your xorg log |
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| 15:27.05 | wols | DawnLight: no |
| 15:27.08 | DawnLight | or shoult it? |
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| 15:27.24 | wols | cause your software opens up a RS232 interface like any other program opens a file |
| 15:27.35 | DawnLight | got it |
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| 15:27.43 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: but I know what you mean, until it was, things worked but were screwey; the card's amp didn't track the master gain control - so audio was quiet, and then quiet and clipping like all f' with master set at max. |
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| 15:27.59 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i dont think i have it... |
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| 15:28.10 | mikearthur | I've apt-get sourced a package, how do I change the configure flags it uses when I build with -b? |
| 15:28.19 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: if you don'thave a log, then Xorg is not installed/has never run |
| 15:28.25 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: fyi: 2.6.23 has a whole raft of intel-hda updates (routing for various models and their codecs) |
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| 15:28.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | id have to shut down xorg and change my xorg.conf so as to have the nvidia set up and fail to run to get the error message |
| 15:28.54 | wols | mikearthur: debian/control iirc |
| 15:29.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but...i dont know where my log is... |
| 15:29.56 | wols | same place that ALL logs are: /var/log |
| 15:30.04 | mikearthur | wols: doesn't look like it mate |
| 15:30.12 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: the other cute thing that happened once the routing was all sorted was that the volume wheel actually becomes an active control - you can twiddle it and then see the corresponding level (iSpeaker) zip up and down in alsamixer or gnome volume control applet |
| 15:30.31 | wols | mikearthur: it is under /debian/, that's certain. so look around |
| 15:31.03 | stew | mikearthur: you can't change them if you use -b, if you need to change them, omit the -b and edit debian/rules, then build with "fakeroot debuild -uc -us" or "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -s" |
| 15:31.16 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: it's a pity that the spec doesn't seem to have any way to /discover/ the routing - intel-hda.c is a giant jump table of topology keyed by dmi vendor and various other things |
| 15:31.17 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, do you have a kernel config for 2.6.23? |
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| 15:31.42 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: yes but it's super-stripped for this hardware |
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| 15:31.53 | xand | no |
| 15:32.31 | mikearthur | stew: any links to how I can change that file? |
| 15:33.28 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, :( |
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| 15:33.59 | stew | mikearthur: what do you mean? you just edit it with an editor, you should see a ./configure line in there |
| 15:34.15 | mikearthur | stew: nope, don't see one |
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| 15:35.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | what is the xorg config tool so i can select my graphic card an say what monitor i have exacly (with its modes and refresh rate) |
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| 15:35.43 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: /msg DJ-Marcuzz drxx |
| 15:35.46 | stew | mikearthur: well that is the makefile that is used to bulid the package, so if there is no ./configure in there, then ./configure isn't being called, so the software must be configured some other way |
| 15:35.54 | rmaj | how to install stupid ass java shit |
| 15:35.56 | rmaj | for my firefox |
| 15:35.57 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: /msg dpkg drxx rather |
| 15:36.06 | wols | rmaj: what debian platform? |
| 15:36.13 | rmaj | wols: testing |
| 15:36.21 | wols | that's not a platform |
| 15:36.22 | stew | rmaj: please keep it constructive |
| 15:36.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx wols |
| 15:36.42 | rmaj | wols: 386 |
| 15:36.51 | tourt | cahoot: thanks, it's working |
| 15:36.52 | mikearthur | stew: that isn't the makefile, it has a Makefile just not those lines in the rules file |
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| 15:37.05 | stew | mikearthur: that is the makefile used for building the package |
| 15:37.10 | wols | rmaj: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:37.22 | cahoot | tourt: ah - the surround? |
| 15:37.27 | tourt | yes |
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| 15:37.33 | cahoot | cool |
| 15:37.35 | ringo999 | how does suspend to ram work under debian? |
| 15:38.08 | tourt | I didn't know that the surround that a volume control as well... |
| 15:38.08 | stew | ringo999: what do you mean exactly by "how"? |
| 15:38.32 | cahoot | tourt: alsa tends to border on alchemy |
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| 15:38.47 | tourt | cahoot: :-) |
| 15:38.58 | ringo999 | stew: instead of shutting down the entire system, you suspend it, and resume without acutally having to boot |
| 15:38.59 | wols | cahoot: simplify your statement: alsa sucjs |
| 15:39.04 | wols | *sucks |
| 15:39.10 | cahoot | tourt: btw did you bother to try gamix as mixer? |
| 15:39.21 | tourt | no |
| 15:39.24 | tourt | alsamixer |
| 15:39.30 | wols | ringo999: he knows what suspend to ram is, but you didn't answer his question or posed a bad one yourself |
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| 15:39.52 | tourt | and gnome sound control panel |
| 15:39.52 | stew | ringo999: i mean what exactly are you wanting to know? how it works? how to do it? how well it works? |
| 15:40.09 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, hmm...in alsamixer various channels appear, and although none is muted and all are at 100%, I can't hear anything |
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| 15:40.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39702 ok, the log |
| 15:40.42 | grub_ | hi, i am getting this error ever since i upgraded earlier today ( testing), when i try to use ssh ssh: relocation error: ssh: symbol EVP_Cipher, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference |
| 15:40.42 | ringo999 | stew: what the command for it is... what do i need to do... |
| 15:40.46 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, dmesg says that the model for ALC268 is unknown and tries a autoprobe from bios |
| 15:40.52 | ringo999 | stew: ive never used it |
| 15:40.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | like i said i had to restart it and all |
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| 15:40.57 | cahoot | tourt: I have the impression gamix gives you less cryptic names for the controls |
| 15:41.11 | stew | ringo999: echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 15:41.11 | xorAxAx | hi, is it possible to delete uids from gpg keys (like those with invalid mail addresses)? i tried to but then they came back on refresh-keys |
| 15:41.16 | tourt | cahoot: installing gamix :-) |
| 15:41.22 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: dpkg -l |grep nvidia. what driver version is it? |
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| 15:41.57 | rmaj | stew: and then how to wake it up? |
| 15:42.01 | ringo999 | stew: and to resume, just the powerbutton i assume? |
| 15:42.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well i have 3 of them |
| 15:42.19 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: but they all better be the same version |
| 15:42.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-38 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 15:42.48 | ringo999 | stew: hmmm...nothing really happends after i pressed the powerbutton. machine is on, but blank screen |
| 15:42.57 | wols | so only one version numbre to report |
| 15:43.04 | wols | that is not the vresion, those are package names |
| 15:43.15 | rmaj | kate keeps creating stupid ~ backups even when I disabled that in options, wtf? |
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| 15:43.22 | tourt | cahoot: messy display |
| 15:43.24 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: pastebin the output please |
| 15:44.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39703 |
| 15:44.08 | cahoot | tourt: you dislike the myriad of entries? |
| 15:44.22 | stew | ringo999: how you resume is dependent on your bios. on my laptop i open the screen or hit the fn key, on my desktop i have the bios configured to resume when i hit any key on the keyboard |
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| 15:44.45 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: this driver doesn't work for your videocard. use the legacy driver (71.xx) |
| 15:44.46 | tourt | cahoot: yes! and now my sound doesn't work now. I changed emu10k1 routing... is there a way to reset to default values? |
| 15:45.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but it worked before the apt-get upgrade |
| 15:45.11 | The_Ultimate_Sam | why did it change? |
| 15:45.25 | wols | before the upgrade you had 71.xx, now you don't |
| 15:45.34 | tourt | cahoot: working again... but I didn't change anything. A new music started and everything seems the same... |
| 15:45.36 | wols | it changed cause nvidia brought out new drivers for new cards |
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| 15:46.06 | cahoot | tourt: sounds like a slow retreat is best adviced |
| 15:47.02 | cahoot | tourt: btw might be wise to make a backup of /var/lib/alsa/asound.state when the setup is working to your liking |
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| 15:48.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hopefully that works *goes to try it out* hopefully it even installed... |
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| 15:48.40 | tourt | cahoot: great advice! :-) |
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| 15:53.54 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39705 |
| 15:53.55 | The_Ultimate_Sam | no go |
| 15:54.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | even installing (hopefully) the legacy drivers, the thing still gives me that error |
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| 15:56.04 | xand | !timezone |
| 15:56.04 | dpkg | timezone is probably "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
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| 15:56.20 | |DuReX| | if [ $logfile_out == "protection" ] |
| 15:56.28 | |DuReX| | reboot.sh: line 4: [: ==: unary operator expected |
| 15:56.31 | |DuReX| | whats wrong with it ? :) |
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| 15:56.49 | Bladerunner05 | After installing xen 3.0.3-1 on debian etch using grub when I start it the error: Panic on CPU 0: Could not set up DOM0 guest OS |
| 15:57.07 | theatro | |DuReX|, you might like #bash |
| 15:57.34 | lgc_ | What character encoding does Linux use? UTF-8 or Unicode? |
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| 15:58.19 | theatro | whatever you tell it to |
| 15:58.25 | wols | UTF-8 is UNICODE |
| 15:58.28 | xand | lgc_: utf8 is unicode |
| 15:58.43 | wols | by default debian etch uses utf8 |
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| 15:59.12 | wols | Bladerunner05: what kind of CPU is it? |
| 15:59.23 | lgc_ | xand, theatro, if I got it right, Unicode is a fixed-length standard, whereas UTF-8 isn't. Is that right? |
| 15:59.41 | \amethyst | Unicode is a collection of characters |
| 15:59.46 | wols | lgc_: no it's not right |
| 15:59.51 | \amethyst | UTF-8 is one way of representing unicode characters as bytes |
| 15:59.58 | stew | lgc_: no, UTF-8 is one particular way of encoding unicode |
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| 16:00.09 | Bladerunner05 | 4 intel xeon |
| 16:00.10 | \amethyst | UCS-2, UTF-16, UCS-4 are others |
| 16:00.22 | wols | Bladerunner05: VT capable Xeon? |
| 16:00.33 | Bladerunner05 | what I can check it ? |
| 16:00.39 | Enverex | If you export windows registry it puts it as plain text in a file, but try opening it in Linux (using any app) and you just get garbage. That was an issue with Unicode I was told. |
| 16:00.42 | wols | Bladerunner05: cpuinfo |
| 16:01.06 | wols | Enverex: linux has tons of unicode capable editors |
| 16:01.06 | et | ucs-2 shouldn't be used anymore :/ |
| 16:01.08 | Bladerunner05 | 1 moment, now I start the server using regular debiam |
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| 16:01.56 | Enverex | wols, My most commonly used editors, nano and Bluefish just opened it as garbage... |
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| 16:02.29 | xand | I'd have thought if you exported the windows registry, it would be a binary file |
| 16:02.43 | cahoot | run file on it? |
| 16:02.48 | Enverex | Not the whole thing, just blocks of it |
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| 16:02.51 | Enverex | hrm, I'll try that |
| 16:03.06 | Enverex | Sure I did before but can't rememebr the result |
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| 16:04.29 | Eclipser | gah |
| 16:04.41 | bracewel | Hey, is there a way to, using apt, print out all the packages ive installed so i can install them on a machine im trasnfering to? |
| 16:04.54 | lgc_ | I think I'm lost. Unicode has its character<->code equivalences and then UTF-8 must have the same relationships. How is it that for the whole set of equivalences of Unicode there are other complete sets of equivalences? Or is it that UTF-8 encompasses the whole set of characters of Unicode but just with another codes? |
| 16:04.58 | Eclipser | what's a good program to watch DVDs with menus... my totem whines about not being able to connect to HAL daemon or something... it used to work (months ago :) |
| 16:05.02 | xand | !installed packages |
| 16:05.02 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 16:05.20 | bracewel | Thanks |
| 16:05.22 | xand | Eclipser: vlc |
| 16:05.31 | Eclipser | xand, oh right, I complitely forgot about that :> |
| 16:05.33 | Bladerunner05 | •wols• where I look for cpuinfo |
| 16:05.35 | Eclipser | and I use it on windows too :o |
| 16:05.37 | Eclipser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.39 | Eclipser | thank you |
| 16:05.50 | et | lgc_: utf-8 is one encoding of the unicode character set |
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| 16:06.33 | et | the set assigns a character (though one has to be careful with that term) a number, and you can encode that number for the computer in many ways |
| 16:06.48 | dimir | wtf-8 |
| 16:06.51 | wols | Bladerunner05: in /proc |
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| 16:07.34 | Bladerunner05 | sure wols: what parameter I have to look ? |
| 16:08.02 | nomad_cz | Eclipser: xine, mythtv + dvd plugin |
| 16:08.06 | ^Timo^ | stew : you still there? |
| 16:08.08 | lgc_ | et, is this equivalence just as that of a superset? For example, the first 127 chars of Unicode correspond to those of the ASCII set. Is that the case with Unicode and UTF-8? |
| 16:08.17 | ^Timo^ | i will be back in a copple of minutes |
| 16:08.23 | ^Timo^ | must eat though :p |
| 16:08.44 | wols | lgc_: why don't you look at wikipedia or such to see what unicode means? |
| 16:08.57 | Sup3rkiddo | cd 2 boots contains kde, right? |
| 16:08.58 | \amethyst | lgc_: Here's an example. Unicode character U+004B is the letter 'K' |
| 16:08.59 | wols | cause it certainly isn't a debian question |
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| 16:09.09 | lgc_ | wols, that's what I did, and I'm now confused... |
| 16:09.09 | wols | !cd content |
| 16:09.20 | \amethyst | lgc_: and U+20A8 is the Rupee sign |
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| 16:09.37 | et | lgc_: no. |
| 16:09.38 | \amethyst | lgc_: but how would you represent those in a sequence of bytes |
| 16:09.39 | wols | lgc_: unicode has no encoding by default at all. no "first 127 bytes" or such things. |
| 16:09.52 | Bladerunner05 | •wols• this is the result of /proc/cpuinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/736480 |
| 16:09.58 | wols | utf-8 happens to be one sort of encoding for it |
| 16:10.03 | lgc_ | \amethyst, and what would be the UTF-8 code for 'K'? |
| 16:10.03 | \amethyst | lgc_: One way is to write four bytes for every character... that's called UCS-4 |
| 16:10.05 | et | lgc_: utf-8, utf-16 and utf-32 all encode the same set of characters, they just do it differently |
| 16:10.16 | \amethyst | lgc_: Don't talk of UTF-8 codes, it's misleading |
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| 16:11.16 | \amethyst | lgc_: in UCS-4, it would be written 4B 00 00 00 or 00 00 00 4B. In UTF-16 or UCS-2, it would be written 4B 00 or 00 4B |
| 16:11.24 | \amethyst | lgc_: in UTF-8 it's written just 4B |
| 16:12.00 | Bladerunner05 | wols:have u seen it? |
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| 16:12.09 | \amethyst | lgc_: U+20A8 would be written A8 20 00 00 or 00 00 20 A8 for UCS-4; A8 20 or 20 A8 in UTF-16 |
| 16:12.11 | lgc_ | \amethyst, so UTF-8 is just a 'lower level' representation of the character? |
| 16:13.33 | \amethyst | lgc_: in UTF-8, U+20A8 would be e2 82 a8 |
| 16:13.51 | \amethyst | lgc_: it's not really lower level... it's actually pretty complicated compared to UCS-4 |
| 16:14.36 | \amethyst | lgc_: But it has the advantage (for Westerners) that, when you encode the first 128 characters (the ones that are in plain ASCII), they have the same byte sequence that they do in ASCII |
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| 16:14.51 | \amethyst | lgc_: it does this by making the sequences for other characters a little more complicated |
| 16:15.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | i need to run some sort of webserver on my download pc to host the webpanels like hellaworld, that are php webpanels, should i run an compleet apach server or is there something smaller, or any howto? |
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| 16:16.09 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: you can run lighttpd with php as cgi |
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| 16:16.52 | aFlag | hello, brazillian's daylight savings started out today, but debian didn't update the time. I even have the volatile repository on my repository list and the newest updates installed on my debian etch. |
| 16:17.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, how do i install the php support? |
| 16:17.28 | wols | by installing php, how else? |
| 16:17.35 | Bladerunner05 | •wols• this is the result of /proc/cpuinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/736480 |
| 16:18.16 | lgc_ | \amethyst, and what does the rest of the world thinks about this? |
| 16:18.29 | wols | Bladerunner05: that's great for you. congratulations on finding it |
| 16:18.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, sorry i normally don't run webservers |
| 16:18.33 | yggdrasil | can somone tell me how to configure grub to boot the netinstall cd ? |
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| 16:19.19 | Administrator | Hi @all |
| 16:19.51 | wols | yggdrasil: why not let the BIOS boot from CD? |
| 16:20.02 | Administrator | i am looking for an page where i can find more informations about apt-get install with a script base |
| 16:20.11 | Administrator | bash or perl |
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| 16:20.20 | yggdrasil | wopls bioos wont |
| 16:20.23 | yggdrasil | very old |
| 16:20.28 | yggdrasil | \ |
| 16:20.34 | wols | grub won't either |
| 16:20.40 | yggdrasil | no.. |
| 16:20.41 | yggdrasil | : |
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| 16:20.50 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks ;-) never would've thought about it that way at all (al this unicode crap) and barely followed what you just said ;-) |
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| 16:20.53 | wols | yggdrasil: what is on that harddisk right now? |
| 16:20.59 | n_np | what is the command to reconfigure a package? |
| 16:21.02 | yggdrasil | a broken version of sid |
| 16:21.07 | wols | n_np: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:21.14 | wols | n_np: how broken? |
| 16:21.33 | n_np | gforge couldnt update the conf files of apache or restart it |
| 16:21.34 | yggdrasil | wols, boot but |
| 16:21.36 | n_np | i think there is a serious problem |
| 16:21.42 | yggdrasil | will bootg the udev isw messed up |
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| 16:22.31 | n_np | what is bootg and udev? |
| 16:22.45 | yggdrasil | thats what happens when u |
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| 16:22.56 | wols | yggdrasil: tried single user mode? |
| 16:23.01 | \amethyst | lgc_: In many parts of the world, UTF-16 makes more sense than UTF-8, but you can convert between the two without any thought |
| 16:23.05 | yggdrasil | fix stuffg while watching a 6 mo old baby |
| 16:23.09 | yggdrasil | wols hmm yea |
| 16:23.33 | yggdrasil | the udev needs a newer kernel so none ofmy devs load |
| 16:23.46 | \amethyst | lgc_: politically speaking, the real problem with Unicode (regardless of the encoding) is that a lot of people don't like CJK unification |
| 16:24.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, i installed everyting, and dropped the webpage in place, but when i go to the server it asks me if i want to download the page :-/ |
| 16:24.11 | lgc_ | \amethyst, what is CJK? |
| 16:24.19 | enouf | yggdrasil: make yourself a grub bootable cd? http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC11 |
| 16:24.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | firefox calls it an application/x-httpd-php |
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| 16:24.36 | yggdrasil | the bios wqont boot a cd |
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| 16:24.45 | \amethyst | lgc_: Chinese/Japanese/Korean---refering to the languages that use Han script |
| 16:24.47 | DawnLight | i'd like someone to review my project description before submitting it to sourceforge. pasted here http://pastebin.org/4839 |
| 16:25.10 | \amethyst | lgc_: In Unicode æ—¥ represents both the Japanese and Chinese character translated as 'sun' |
| 16:25.30 | yggdrasil | k bbl |
| 16:25.37 | yggdrasil | msg me wth nee ideas |
| 16:25.38 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: if this is toocomplicated for you: install apache2 |
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| 16:25.54 | enouf | yggdrasil: netboot then |
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| 16:26.09 | lgc_ | \amethyst, I see. By the way, how did you manage to print such character? |
| 16:26.16 | \amethyst | lgc_: Some people think they should be separate characters, the way Latin/Roman A and Cyrillic Ð are different characters |
| 16:26.27 | DawnLight | do you folks use fixed font for irc? |
| 16:26.30 | enouf | yggdrasil: then use debootstrap (iinm) |
| 16:26.33 | \amethyst | lgc_: You can copy or paste them from Wikipedia's front page :) |
| 16:26.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, why complicated, i install lighttpd and php4-cgi drop the website in place. but it asks me if i wnat to download it, so what did i do wrong? |
| 16:26.42 | Bladerunner05 | After installing xen 3.0.3-1 on debian etch using grub when I start it the error: Panic on CPU 0: Could not set up DOM0 guest OS |
| 16:27.02 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: you didn't configure lighthttpd |
| 16:27.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok ill look into that |
| 16:27.18 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: since you'reunable to do this, use apache2 where debconf does it for you |
| 16:27.37 | lgc_ | \amethyst, I thought there was a way to type the code and then get the character, the way good-old Windoze does ...:(. |
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| 16:28.13 | enouf | Bladerunner05: same (non-descript) orig post you made a few hours ago .. eh? |
| 16:28.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, i followd this one: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP and they just tell me to install |
| 16:28.25 | \amethyst | lgc_: I think maybe gnome gives you some way of doing that... I usually use a Compose key |
| 16:28.52 | \amethyst | lgc_: but Compose doesn't help me with CJK or Cyrillic, so I do that from the command line |
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| 16:29.18 | User_FriendlY | lgc_: gnome has Char map program! just like Windowz |
| 16:29.20 | enouf | or charmap |
| 16:29.44 | \amethyst | lgc_: yeah, gucharmap |
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| 16:30.09 | lgc_ | User_FriendlY, gucharmap? |
| 16:30.23 | enouf | ø ÷ Õ see? its easy |
| 16:30.38 | Coke | Wolfenstein tells me "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", I'm on Debian testing, there's nothing with that version, what package can I use to get this library? |
| 16:30.42 | enouf | btw- last one was 00D5 |
| 16:30.50 | User_FriendlY | lgc_: yes! |
| 16:31.11 | User_FriendlY | but its X application, not a console one, i think... :( |
| 16:31.14 | lgc_ | \amethyst, User_FriendlY, but how does someone from the Arab world or China type their things? Through gucharmap? |
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| 16:32.03 | User_FriendlY | lgc_: lol nope! change your keyboard character map :) |
| 16:32.13 | enouf | lgc_: what'll really sog your noodle is how anyone manages to read and work RTL, and interact with LTR ;-) |
| 16:32.25 | wols | !tell Coke about search |
| 16:32.43 | lgc_ | enouf, would you translate that to plain English? |
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| 16:32.58 | enouf | lgc_: RTL == Right to Left |
| 16:33.02 | User_FriendlY | enouf: RTL, LTR is Right To Left and the opposite? |
| 16:33.07 | User_FriendlY | :) |
| 16:33.09 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 16:33.13 | Ahmadinejad | Any good program to sort a program in blocks? |
| 16:33.21 | xand | sorry? |
| 16:33.29 | lgc_ | User_FriendlY, but how do you map 5000+ chars on your 100+keys-keyboard? |
| 16:33.31 | xand | what do you mean "In blocks"? |
| 16:33.51 | Ahmadinejad | I mean make tabs in blocks made of { and } |
| 16:33.53 | lgc_ | enouf, oh, thanks. |
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| 16:33.54 | User_FriendlY | lgc_: lol i dont know |
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| 16:34.17 | wols | by chording lgc_ |
| 16:34.33 | lgc_ | wols, what is that? |
| 16:34.37 | User_FriendlY | lgc_: do you want to change your keyboard input language? |
| 16:34.43 | enouf | ahh piano ;-) |
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| 16:35.02 | wols | !fgi |
| 16:35.02 | dpkg | fgi is probably http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 16:35.08 | lgc_ | User_FriendlY, I'm allright, I just use Spanish. No problem with that. |
| 16:35.11 | enouf | i think those people should atleast have an accordian ;-) |
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| 16:35.29 | wols | lgc_: do you finally have a debian related question? |
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| 16:35.35 | User_FriendlY | lgc_: okey, then search google! :) |
| 16:35.38 | enouf | (much more ergonomic than any PC keyboard - dvorak or otherwise) |
| 16:36.52 | lgc_ | wols, I think it does relate to Debian. |
| 16:36.56 | n_np | damnit man why wont gforge install |
| 16:37.04 | wols | lgc_: no it relates to unicode |
| 16:37.26 | wols | n_np: whining won't help, actually asking a proper question might |
| 16:37.33 | n_np | wols sorry |
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| 16:37.48 | n_np | ok the question is- why is there a syntax error in the .conf file it generates for apache2? |
| 16:38.09 | wols | !tell n_np about smart questions |
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| 16:38.26 | ringo999 | how to i connect to wlan from shell? |
| 16:38.32 | wols | !tell n_np about bts |
| 16:38.35 | n_np | oh come on its sunday |
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| 16:38.55 | lgc_ | wols, whatever... if we start with extreme opinions I rather escape out the back door... |
| 16:39.00 | wols | ringo999: install wireless-tools and read its docs. in the end by editing /etc/network/interfaces like any network connection in debian |
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| 16:39.12 | wols | lgc_: thank you |
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| 16:39.26 | ringo999 | wols: but if i just want to do it manually right now witih iwconfig or something |
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| 16:39.39 | lsemple | that is kinda weird |
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| 16:39.43 | ringo999 | just want to try it first and then setup /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:39.44 | enouf | !tell ringo999 about wireless |
| 16:39.54 | wols | ringo999: have you per chance checked in what package your iwconfig resides? |
| 16:40.01 | enouf | !tell ringo999 -about interfaces |
| 16:40.03 | anom01y | why is there a small green dot in the middle of my screen ? |
| 16:40.20 | lgc_ | wols, User_FriendlY, enouf and especially \amethyst, thanks a lot for your help and time. |
| 16:40.28 | anom01y | even when I use ctrl-alt-f1, it is still there |
| 16:40.51 | wols | anom01y: is it there when you boot (ie when it shows your grub menu)? |
| 16:40.56 | anom01y | yes |
| 16:40.59 | Coke | wols: the problem is there's no package candidate for the libstdc++ 6.2-2 glibc2.2 |
| 16:41.08 | jelly-home | anom01y: it's a dead pixel |
| 16:41.08 | enouf | anom01y: have you been catting binary files? hehe |
| 16:41.10 | wols | anom01y: hardware problem then. not our business here |
| 16:41.12 | ringo999 | wols: how do i do that? |
| 16:41.15 | Coke | wols: if I could find a package with that version I'd installed it already. |
| 16:41.22 | wols | !tell ringo999 about grounding |
| 16:41.31 | anom01y | hmm video card problem ? |
| 16:41.48 | anom01y | probably |
| 16:41.49 | anom01y | thanks |
| 16:41.49 | wols | Coke: not even in woody or sarge? |
| 16:41.51 | anom01y | exit |
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| 16:43.22 | Coke | wols: well, I guess I could add the older ones. |
| 16:44.48 | Coke | wols: must be some bug in it so they had to remove it from testing. |
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| 16:47.17 | FaU|cOn | how do i remove unnecessary service in DSL (hard drive install) |
| 16:47.38 | jelly-home | FaU|cOn: ask the dsl guys, probably |
| 16:47.51 | jelly-home | !dsl |
| 16:47.51 | dpkg | hmm... dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
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| 16:50.10 | techly | I don't have a /dev/mixer, but sound works. What module am I missing? |
| 16:50.22 | FaU|cOn | !dsl |
| 16:50.22 | dpkg | well, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
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| 16:50.41 | fiddles | hey guys im trying to build something |
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| 16:51.28 | fiddles | and it gives me an error on make, that it cant find ft2build.h, even after i installed libfreetype6-dev |
| 16:53.20 | Odd_Bloke | When I plug my laptop in, the CPU frequency governor is set to 'performance' and the frequency set the highest possible. This is as expected. However, when I unplug the power, the settings remain in place, which defeats the point of enabling CPU frequency governing at all. How should I go about setting my machine to restore the previous/default settings on power being unplugged? |
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| 16:53.42 | fanti | i'm looking for a telnet-like client... to connect to an unix socket ? |
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| 16:58.36 | Odd_Bloke | fanti: Is there a reason you're not using telnet? |
| 16:58.54 | fanti | does: telnet /var/run/app/unix.sock work ?? |
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| 17:00.24 | keith4_ | how do I make it so that when I click on a link in icedove, it opens in iceweasel instead of epiphany? |
| 17:00.37 | \amethyst | fanti: what about socat ? |
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| 17:01.14 | xand | keith4_: as root, run update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 17:01.46 | n_np | DONT INSTALL GFORGE |
| 17:01.55 | keith4_ | xand: sweet, i never knew that! |
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| 17:05.46 | Nyle | omg |
| 17:05.55 | Nyle | I love coke |
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| 17:06.07 | Nyle | whoever invented that drink must/will go to heaven |
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| 17:11.41 | Legality | hmm.. is there a way to edit the boot seqvence? |
| 17:11.59 | Legality | one of our softwares starts before mysql after booting the server and causes it not to start |
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| 17:15.34 | wols | Legality: yes |
| 17:15.39 | wols | !sysvinit |
| 17:15.39 | dpkg | sysvinit is, like, zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 17:17.02 | n_np | is there a command to rebuild dependancies? |
| 17:17.13 | n_np | i think that after this gforge incident things are broken all over |
| 17:17.32 | stew | n_np: "aptitude -f install" will attempt to fix broken packages |
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| 17:17.59 | n_np | tnx |
| 17:18.30 | n_np | yeah it messed with mysql |
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| 17:20.13 | opi | Guys, after my / partition went a little borken I can not boot into working system. I'm getting exec 432: chroot not found. I think it's initrd related but Google yelds very small amount of links |
| 17:20.14 | n_np | my php5-mysql is broken |
| 17:20.45 | opi | is there any way to resolve it, or I'm forced to spend day on moving to fresh installation? :/ |
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| 17:21.23 | stew | n_np: you need to be more specific than just saying it is "broken" |
| 17:21.45 | n_np | stew, php5-mysql is isntalled but it is not working; phpmyadmin is giving me errors that it is not there and so are other programs like mediawiki |
| 17:21.47 | opi | I have correct files in /boot that are mentioned in grub's menu.lst |
| 17:21.55 | n_np | so it is registered as being installed by apt but it is not actually installed. |
| 17:22.07 | stew | opi: you can try rebuilding the initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-images-$version" |
| 17:22.27 | stew | n_np: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 17:22.31 | n_np | apache2 |
| 17:22.32 | opi | stew: oh! So I would need some sort of Debian based live CD, yes? |
| 17:22.50 | opi | stew: anything with proper dpkg tools versions for sarge? |
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| 17:23.08 | Enverex | What's the name of that ncurses network monitoring program? |
| 17:23.13 | stew | n_np: make sure /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini contains a line like "extension=mysql.so" |
| 17:23.20 | opi | stew: or maybe medium sized Debian install CD will help? |
| 17:23.25 | stew | Enverex: iptraf? |
| 17:23.26 | opi | Enverex: iptraf |
| 17:24.14 | stew | opi: if you can boot any linux cd, then mount your / partition, mount --bind /dev /path/to/root/dev ; chroot /path/to/root ; mount /proc ; /mount /sys ; dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 17:24.33 | opi | stew: OK, so chrooting will do the trick |
| 17:24.50 | opi | stew: thanks, I have never got into such problem before ;) |
| 17:25.34 | opi | stew: sadly, Damn Small Linux is too striped and has unusable /sbin/chroot |
| 17:27.49 | n_np | stew now when i try to access a php page the browser wants to download the file |
| 17:28.20 | opi | n_np: so, your Apache configuration is broken |
| 17:28.25 | n_np | yeah |
| 17:28.34 | opi | n_np: it happends when .php files wont get parsed by PHP module in Apache |
| 17:28.42 | n_np | i'll purge and re-install it |
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| 17:29.41 | n_np | when i purge it it is still there |
| 17:29.45 | n_np | wth is going on :/ |
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| 17:31.02 | Enverex | stew, opi, that was it thanls |
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| 17:34.33 | Legality | wols? |
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| 17:37.54 | wols | Legality? |
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| 17:38.37 | Legality | i didnt got you |
| 17:38.55 | Legality | I've got no such file that dpkg insisted |
| 17:39.54 | wols | !info sysvinit etch |
| 17:39.57 | wols | Legality: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 17:39.58 | wols | /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 17:40.00 | dpkg | sysvinit: (System-V-like init utilities), section admin, is required. Version: 2.86.ds1-38 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
| 17:40.09 | wols | !info sysv-rc |
| 17:40.19 | dpkg | sysv-rc: (System-V-like runlevel change mechanism), section admin, is required. Version: 2.86.ds1-38.1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 17:41.03 | grub_ | hi, i just did dist-upgrade in lenny, and am getting this error update-menus: /lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by update-menus) |
| 17:41.18 | grub_ | what went wrong? |
| 17:41.27 | wols | dpkg: sysvinit is also In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 17:41.27 | dpkg | wols: okay |
| 17:41.56 | wols | grub_: wong libcstdc++ for menu as the error clearly says |
| 17:42.13 | grub_ | how do i fix it? |
| 17:42.28 | wols | by running stable software |
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| 17:42.54 | stew | n_np: a2enmod php5 |
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| 17:43.10 | enouf | !sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:43.10 | dpkg | It has been said that sysv-rc-conf is; zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz :: Do an "apt-get install sysv-rc-conf" to use the TUI runlevel curses-based config utility. Also ask me about <rcconf> (a simpler ncurses TUI tool, meant for default runlevel control [2] config), ..ask me about <sysv-rc>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>, <runlevels>, and <services>, or "/msg dpkg reference" for a nice full |
| 17:43.10 | EvilDin | is it possible to restore deleted files with rm -rf ? |
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| 17:43.29 | grub_ | wols? |
| 17:43.50 | wols | EvilDin: depends on the filesystem. /msg dpkg undelete |
| 17:44.22 | Legality | hey, howto check if the raid-1 is really on? |
| 17:44.30 | wols | grub_: dependency errors in testing und unstable are supposed to be solved by the user himself |
| 17:44.31 | Legality | i cant remember the cat command anymore |
| 17:44.48 | SlackRat | psssss, pssssss cmere puddy tat |
| 17:44.49 | Legality | !raid |
| 17:44.49 | dpkg | raid is, like, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 17:45.15 | enouf | cat /proc/mdstats ? |
| 17:45.51 | simonrvn | stat |
| 17:46.08 | enouf | dat too, man mdadm |
| 17:46.29 | n_np | stew the module doesnt exist |
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| 17:47.26 | wols | n_np: libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
| 17:47.27 | grub_ | wols, ok, solved it tough |
| 17:47.35 | n_np | yeah |
| 17:47.47 | bracewel | er.. im doing a net install and when i get to the detecting disks and hardware, i get a blank (blue with gray bar on the bottom) and nothing else, i can type, and if i do ctrl c then it just starts detecting again... any ideas why? |
| 17:48.03 | stew | n_np: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 17:48.06 | wols | bracewel: what hardware? |
| 17:48.10 | n_np | i jus tdid that stew |
| 17:48.27 | stew | n_np: then a2enmod php5 |
| 17:48.28 | Legality | enouf: cant get it with /proc/mdstats |
| 17:48.29 | wols | n_np: dpkg -l |grep libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 17:48.31 | n_np | how can i generate the /etc/apache2 files ? |
| 17:48.37 | wols | what are the first two letters on the line? |
| 17:48.45 | wols | !tell n_np about confmiss |
| 17:48.53 | enouf | Legality: try /proc/mdstat as simonrvn corrected me |
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| 17:48.57 | bracewel | It doesn't say what hard ware, but there is a screen that says "Detecting disk and hardware" with a % bar |
| 17:49.09 | Legality | oh |
| 17:49.10 | Legality | sry |
| 17:49.31 | bracewel | n/m i think it was trying to do something i accidently told it to... |
| 17:49.54 | Legality | it should be on |
| 17:49.58 | Legality | thanks |
| 17:50.03 | n_np | ok i did that but /etc/apache2 still contains no files |
| 17:50.04 | n_np | ?! |
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| 17:51.43 | n_np | /usr/sbin/a2enmod: line 54: cd: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled: No such file or directory |
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| 17:52.04 | Legality | :( security.debian.org is down |
| 17:52.09 | Legality | oh, back up |
| 17:52.12 | simonrvn | n_np: see bts, i think a bug was filed on that |
| 17:52.36 | bracewel | er.. Im getting an error on this netinst disk that says Missing Modules 'ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, -ide-floppy' |
| 17:52.45 | n_np | simonrvn, but it worked fine :/ |
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| 17:53.08 | bracewel | dodgy disk? |
| 17:53.25 | stew | n_np: you need to reinstall apache2.2-common and libapache2-mod-php5 with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:53.27 | hark | n_np: try confmiss with apache2.2-common, not apache2 |
| 17:53.36 | Bladerunner05 | what pkg contains pvcreate ? |
| 17:53.37 | n_np | hmmm ok |
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| 17:53.43 | xingu | bracewel: what's the kernel rev. ? |
| 17:54.04 | stew | Bladerunner05: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:54.39 | bracewel | xingu: Im not sure, its what ever is on the stable debian net inst iso... |
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| 17:54.41 | n_np | awesome! |
| 17:54.52 | Odd_Bloke | Is there anyway to stop Epiphany starting in 'Work Offline' mode just because Network Manager isn't aware that I'm connected to the Internet? |
| 17:54.59 | n_np | stew and hark thanks guys that was brilliant! |
| 17:55.51 | n_np | debian:/etc/apache2# run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
| 17:55.55 | n_np | how do i do a forge reload? |
| 17:56.32 | wols | n_np: use "restart" |
| 17:56.55 | Odd_Bloke | n_np: Like that but without the 'run '? |
| 17:57.13 | n_np | ok |
| 17:57.25 | n_np | apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 17:57.26 | hark | Odd_Bloke: /apps/epiphany/general/managed_network |
| 17:58.10 | Odd_Bloke | hark: Thanks. :) |
| 17:58.29 | stew | n_np: touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 17:59.22 | n_np | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 17:59.30 | n_np | hmmm i've never heard of the touch command before |
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| 18:00.34 | xingu | !tell n_np about sex |
| 18:00.39 | ^Timo^ | stew : this whas my output off apt-get policy : http://pastebin.ca/736601 |
| 18:00.52 | Legality | hehe |
| 18:01.01 | n_np | hehhe hmm |
| 18:01.18 | n_np | well |
| 18:01.25 | Legality | silent hmm |
| 18:01.31 | ^Timo^ | stew ? |
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| 18:02.33 | n_np | Syntax error on line 141 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 18:02.42 | Bladerunner05 | what pkg contains pvcreate ? |
| 18:02.58 | SlackRat | read 'man sex' |
| 18:03.01 | Bladerunner05 | I use apt-cache search pvcreate but seems to be a part of another package |
| 18:03.15 | n_np | how come apache2 isnt reading its config files then |
| 18:03.15 | n_np | hmmm |
| 18:03.20 | wols | !tell Bladerunner05 about search |
| 18:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bladerunner05, use apt-file or dlocate |
| 18:03.45 | zythmer | n_np: What context are you using that in? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authz_host.html#order |
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| 18:04.11 | n_np | zythmer, its the default config! |
| 18:04.22 | wols | !pal nvz |
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| 18:04.42 | nvz | I am using an old 14" TVM monitor |
| 18:04.50 | nvz | cant seem to get it any higer |
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| 18:05.31 | mkl1525 | hikenboot, does anybody know if it's possible to disable the soap module in libapache2-mod-php5? Having an app that uses NuSOAP - and this conflicts with the php5 soap module |
| 18:06.56 | Legality | hey, how can I install the pear module mdb2? |
| 18:09.02 | stew | ^Timo^: can you also show the output of "apt-cache showsrc openssh ; apt-cache policy libc6" |
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| 18:09.48 | stew | n_np: did you edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf? |
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| 18:11.08 | n_np | nope |
| 18:11.28 | zythmer | n_np: Did you remove mod_authz_host? See if it's enabled in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_host.load |
| 18:12.06 | Bladerunner05 | please suggest me a good package (like used when installing debian) to create and manage partition ? |
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| 18:12.35 | n_np | isnt there a command to load all available mods? |
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| 18:12.41 | n_np | i dont think any of them are loaded right now |
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| 18:12.57 | SlackRat | cfdisk, gparted.... |
| 18:13.08 | Bladerunner05 | slackrat wich is the best one? |
| 18:13.13 | wols | !best |
| 18:13.13 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:13.25 | Bladerunner05 | I need to run it from the shell not x |
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| 18:13.55 | SlackRat | cfdisk is prolly what you used to install and ypu partitioned |
| 18:14.01 | zythmer | n_np: The default config will load all of them named /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load along with the *.conf. |
| 18:14.11 | wols | instead of continous asking why don't you try one of the suggestions you already got? |
| 18:14.17 | SlackRat | gparted is, i think a name gui application that you can use to deal with partitions |
| 18:14.27 | SlackRat | cfdisk is very basic |
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| 18:14.39 | n_np | zythmer, but its not |
| 18:14.40 | Bladerunner05 | but cfdisk is non free |
| 18:14.40 | Bladerunner05 | ? |
| 18:14.43 | n_np | and that didnt work either :/ |
| 18:14.49 | Bladerunner05 | I don't found it with apt |
| 18:14.51 | SlackRat | fdisk , from the shell is prolly easiest |
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| 18:15.34 | ^Timo^ | hellow everybody |
| 18:15.39 | Gvd | yoho did debian thrown some network drivers out of lenny install? |
| 18:15.39 | ^Timo^ | i have a problem. |
| 18:15.40 | SlackRat | fdisk is more text based , try just plain fdisk |
| 18:15.44 | ^Timo^ | : configure: error: PAM headers not found |
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| 18:15.59 | ^Timo^ | stew whas helping me |
| 18:16.07 | ^Timo^ | but he's gone i suppose |
| 18:16.21 | stew | ^Timo^: i'm still here |
| 18:16.36 | stew | 13:09 < stew> ^Timo^: can you also show the output of "apt-cache showsrc openssh ; apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 18:16.57 | SlackRat | Bladerunner05: try fdisk |
| 18:16.58 | ^Timo^ | ok stew |
| 18:16.59 | ^Timo^ | wb |
| 18:17.01 | ^Timo^ | i will do that |
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| 18:17.51 | Aidy | hi |
| 18:18.03 | Aidy | i'm building a custom non-debian kernel |
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| 18:18.45 | Aidy | using make-kpkg kernel_image, but the .deb doesn't install an initrd |
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| 18:19.03 | n_np | there is no httpd.conf |
| 18:19.05 | n_np | how do i get that back? |
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| 18:19.13 | ^Timo^ | stew : http://pastebin.ca/736629 |
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| 18:19.19 | wols | Aidy: there is a option for kernel-package if you want an initrd |
| 18:19.27 | wols | n_np: confmiss |
| 18:19.30 | Aidy | wols: oh |
| 18:19.42 | ^Timo^ | i can do in with LANG=C if you prefer :) |
| 18:20.06 | n_np | wols i did a confmiss allready! |
| 18:20.07 | n_np | lol |
| 18:20.16 | Aidy | right it's --initrd |
| 18:20.25 | wols | n_np: probably for the wrong package then |
| 18:20.32 | rmaj | how to have java running in firefox? |
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| 18:20.41 | n_np | wols but which one has httpd.conf then? |
| 18:20.41 | stew | n_np: touch httpd.conf |
| 18:20.53 | stew | n_np: none. just create an empty file |
| 18:20.54 | n_np | i did that allready |
| 18:21.00 | n_np | hmm |
| 18:21.46 | wols | ^Timo^: you you want to use sarge by choice? |
| 18:21.59 | stew | ^Timo^: you are mixing sarge and etch, which is not supported. you sould either change your sources.list so that it points to "sarge" instead of "stable" or "etch", or upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:22.29 | wols | rmaj: I gave you a dpkg factoid long ago |
| 18:22.45 | rmaj | wols: and it doesnt work |
| 18:22.50 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 18:22.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:22.54 | stew | rmaj: be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 18:22.57 | wols | rmaj: dpjg -l |grep java |
| 18:23.07 | rmaj | you have still to do the symlink by hand |
| 18:23.09 | wols | *dpkg |
| 18:23.19 | n_np | stew but it was configured fine when i installed it by default now nothing is working |
| 18:23.21 | stew | rmaj: no, you shouldn't have to make a symlink by hand |
| 18:23.23 | xingu | building mast is fine, but the socket is on the wrong side of the flat; dvb-t stick came with an antenna that's good enough in a different room, but seems as if there's some funky shadowing going on where she's set up to use it |
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| 18:23.24 | n_np | its not accessing the server root |
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| 18:23.34 | stew | n_np: what error message do you get? |
| 18:23.42 | xingu | so I can either buy a booster and snake a cable across the flat, which is unattractive |
| 18:23.51 | rmaj | stew: well I did aptitude install sun-java6-jre and java is still reported as missing plugin in firefox |
| 18:24.08 | stew | rmaj: you need to also install sun-java6-plugin |
| 18:24.10 | sepski | rmaj, did you install sun-java6-plugin ? |
| 18:24.17 | xingu | or.. I dunno :) |
| 18:24.18 | n_np | Not Found |
| 18:24.19 | n_np | The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| 18:24.23 | wols | rmaj: sun-java6-plugin |
| 18:24.31 | wols | doh. too late |
| 18:24.34 | rmaj | ah |
| 18:24.56 | rmaj | shouldnt it be in that factoid and/or should we make iceweasel to be able to automatically install it or at least give a hint |
| 18:25.02 | stew | n_np: /var/log/apache2/error.log should tell you exactly what file it is looking for |
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| 18:25.29 | zythmer | rmaj: It's listed in the Suggests: line. |
| 18:26.17 | rmaj | wouldnt it be nice to have iceweasel report the above to people that click "click here to install missing plugin"? |
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| 18:27.14 | rmaj | it works now, thanks |
| 18:28.40 | n_np | stew its trying to read /htdocs |
| 18:28.45 | n_np | is this in the specified server root then? |
| 18:29.09 | stew | n_np: it appears so, yes |
| 18:29.21 | Gvd | Did debian thrown some network drivers out of lenny install? |
| 18:29.27 | n_np | that didnt work though, it still says the file doesnt exist |
| 18:29.35 | stew | n_np: does the file exist? |
| 18:29.44 | n_np | i just made it |
| 18:29.48 | n_np | yes it does |
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| 18:30.03 | stew | n_np: and what is the error now? |
| 18:30.05 | wols | n_np:is it a directory? |
| 18:30.18 | n_np | same error- yes its a directory |
| 18:30.20 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 18:30.28 | stew | n_np: what exactly is the error? |
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| 18:31.32 | n_np | [Sun Oct 14 20:31:51 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.3] File does not exist: /htdocs |
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| 18:32.17 | karmatronic | any idea why amule is slow as hell , when i have high id and network ok since my win32 machine runs emule just fine ? |
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| 18:33.42 | netgear | hi people |
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| 18:34.28 | netgear | anyone here feel like being so kind as to mail me the latest debain dvd's? im capped at 1Gb per month |
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| 18:35.02 | opi | OK, anyone can tell me what's wrong with this chroot action? |
| 18:35.02 | Tallu | netgear: just grab the netinst and install the system as you go |
| 18:35.18 | opi | sh-3.00# chroot t |
| 18:35.19 | opi | chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.54 | opi | (there's /mnt/t/bin/sh and bash) |
| 18:36.32 | wols | opi: are there the myriad of libraries bash needs too? |
| 18:36.43 | n_np | stew: [Sun Oct 14 20:31:51 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.3] File does not exist: /htdocs |
| 18:37.01 | opi | wols: I hope so |
| 18:37.22 | wols | n_np: the 64$ question is: what directory is / ? |
| 18:37.24 | opi | wols: bash runs on system I'm chrooting from |
| 18:37.46 | wols | opi: the libs need to be accessible INSIDE the chroot for the chroot bash to work... |
| 18:37.59 | wols | and /lib is not inside your chroot |
| 18:38.10 | n_np | wols i think it might be the ServerRoot |
| 18:38.12 | opi | wols: it was working before |
| 18:38.24 | wols | n_np: it is. but what directory on your fs is this? |
| 18:38.30 | opi | wols: I see sh is symlink to bash |
| 18:38.32 | grub_ | i get this error whenever i try to use ssh ssh: relocation error: ssh: symbol EVP_Cipher, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference . Do i have to rebuild ssh for this? |
| 18:38.33 | wols | opi: instead of arguing with me: why don't you just check? |
| 18:38.47 | n_np | /var/www/apache2-default/ |
| 18:38.51 | n_np | where it always was- i had to change it to that |
| 18:38.51 | wols | opi: I didn't say anything about sh or symlink problems |
| 18:38.57 | grub_ | wols, and hints? |
| 18:39.01 | grub_ | *any |
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| 18:39.48 | wols | opi: is there /mnt/t/lib ? |
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| 18:40.08 | grub_ | karmatronic, lemme know if ssh works after that please :) |
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| 18:40.27 | karmatronic | it will , since its compiled |
| 18:40.44 | wols | grub_: I run sid and it works fine. for ages |
| 18:41.16 | grub_ | wols, oh.. so what could be the problem for the error i pasted above? any idea? |
| 18:41.23 | karmatronic | yeah ,never had any problems with ssh , its like the top one app |
| 18:41.37 | karmatronic | where s the pastebin .. |
| 18:41.39 | wols | grub_: most probably mixed libs from too many places |
| 18:41.43 | wols | !paste |
| 18:41.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:41.54 | grub_ | i am having that problem ever since i dist-upgrade |
| 18:41.56 | grub_ | ah |
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| 18:42.04 | grub_ | wols, ok, will take a look againn |
| 18:42.05 | Gvd | hmm |
| 18:42.57 | Gvd | funny : The program 'apt-get' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install apt |
| 18:43.20 | Gvd | bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 18:43.21 | Gvd | ^^ |
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| 18:44.44 | karmatronic | gnome is not at 2.20 in testing :( |
| 18:45.08 | n_np | guys why does it say [Sun Oct 14 20:44:58 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.3] File does not exist: /htdocs |
| 18:45.23 | Ace2016 | Hi a |
| 18:45.26 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 18:45.31 | Ace2016 | anyone use kde here? |
| 18:45.40 | emss` | anyone can help me get compiz working on sid?, I think something is wrong with my xorg.conf modifications (nvidia graphics card) |
| 18:45.42 | Ace2016 | i'm trying to find the thing that updates the system clock |
| 18:45.53 | karmatronic | Ace2016, no !!!! |
| 18:45.54 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.11 | emss` | I have read the wiki.debian site about compiz + AIGLX |
| 18:46.28 | Ace2016 | there should be tickbox or something if memory serves me correctly which updated the time from servers ntp servers? |
| 18:46.35 | Ace2016 | well where is that? |
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| 18:47.16 | Ace2016 | emss`: how did you install compiz? i couldn't get compiz from git to compile |
| 18:47.33 | Ace2016 | it complained about x11-xcb |
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| 18:48.15 | Eulex | Ace2016, xcb is an experimental replace for libx11. |
| 18:48.32 | et | Ace2016: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=2294 |
| 18:48.37 | Ace2016 | so why does debian sid not have it? too experimental? |
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| 18:49.56 | Ace2016 | ok i'll try that after xgl finishes compiling, hopefully without erroring out this time |
| 18:50.03 | Eulex | Ace2016, right, it's in experimental :) |
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| 18:51.38 | Ace2016 | i tried getting that, not much success |
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| 18:53.17 | n_np | what is the command to add things in /var/lib to apache web virtual hosts? |
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| 18:53.59 | Ace2016 | seems it wants to remove most of my system. but i'm smarter than that, i'll just extract the files inside the debs to / ;D |
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| 18:56.24 | Ace2016 | oh wait i have a better idea |
| 18:56.26 | yaarg | hi |
| 18:56.29 | Ace2016 | hi |
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| 18:58.26 | Ace2016 | ok follow me on this, could i in theory get ubuntu's xgl and get its source debs and get debian to reinstall those debs using the command that recompiles debs and installs stuff? |
| 18:58.43 | DustyBin | am i right in thinking that the ThinkPad X40 series was the last ones created by IBM before Lenova took over? |
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| 18:59.26 | emss` | Ace2016: I typed aptitude install compiz |
| 18:59.52 | Ace2016 | i don't think thats compiz fusion, i want compiz fusion |
| 19:00.02 | emss` | what is compiz fusion? |
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| 19:00.18 | Ace2016 | on not good, my synaptic keeps crashing :( |
| 19:00.45 | karmatronic | after i upgrade my testing , network is incredibly slow , any idea ? |
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| 19:03.12 | zicho | Does anyone use the tilda terminal? |
| 19:03.50 | Ace2016 | isn't tilda a type of rice or a rice maker? |
| 19:03.59 | Ace2016 | sry, offtopix |
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| 19:04.04 | Enverex | Yes |
| 19:04.05 | Ace2016 | :( offtopic! |
| 19:04.29 | zicho | Enverex: Do you know what channel i can go to to get help with it? Or perhaps you could help me? |
| 19:05.05 | n_np | what does one use to make a changelog |
| 19:05.05 | n_np | ? |
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| 19:05.24 | Ace2016 | whats you problem with the tilda terminal? |
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| 19:06.22 | Yggdrasil | can somone point me to the boot floppy images ? |
| 19:06.58 | what_if | how do I ftp to an IPv6 server, ftp says " [::1] : Unknown Host" |
| 19:07.17 | what_if | ping6 ::1 works, and the socket is open |
| 19:07.25 | zicho | Ace2016: I get this when i try to start it. http://pastebin.com/m53dbea06 |
| 19:07.38 | Yggdrasil | ok got it never mind |
| 19:07.41 | Aidy | i need some help with realtime |
| 19:08.17 | Aidy | I've got a realtime kernel running now, but I can't get pam to allow realtime privileges to the audio group |
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| 19:09.28 | josenj76 | does anyone how I can bridge two wired networks through two wireless laptops in ad-hoc mode? For example Network A [192.168.1.x]) connects to a laptop with 2 nic cards, wired and wireless and I want this to connect to Network B [also 192.168.1.x] through another laptop with 2 nics. |
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| 19:09.51 | Aidy | http://omploader.org/vNWV0/pasta this is my limits.conf |
| 19:09.54 | opi | OK, so it turns out fsck eat my /lib, is there any quick way to get /lib refilled? |
| 19:10.47 | ZEA | lol |
| 19:11.00 | Ace2016 | ok brb, let me try xgl from ubuntu in debian |
| 19:11.07 | Legality | :D hey, anyideas why this command is not working /sbin/shutdown -h "now" |
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| 19:11.39 | edvzillertal7 | hello |
| 19:11.45 | stiv2k | so, any news with ndiswrapper on 2.6.23 ? |
| 19:11.54 | Legality | any ideas? |
| 19:12.12 | edvzillertal7 | i have problem with postfix! I can not send email with my Provider |
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| 19:13.52 | DawnLight | too many boxes - too small of a room |
| 19:14.01 | DustyDingo | both fglrx and the nvidia driver provide xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 19:14.02 | SpeedyG | sounds like my room :D |
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| 19:14.40 | DustyDingo | xserver-xorg-core dependes on xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 19:15.08 | DustyDingo | but when i want to install fglrx-driver i have a conflict :( |
| 19:15.12 | DustyBin | does anybody have any experience with the ThinkPad X24 ? |
| 19:15.20 | cloakable | Yes :D |
| 19:15.32 | cloakable | I have it running fine |
| 19:15.46 | cloakable | Though I switched to Kubuntu for Compiz Fusion |
| 19:16.56 | DustyDingo | is there a way to list all packages which provide virtual package foo? |
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| 19:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Legality, you are not root :) |
| 19:17.25 | Legality | i am |
| 19:17.31 | Legality | it happened, it just took some time |
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| 19:18.29 | cloakable | DustyBin: I've run Debian Etch on my thinkpad X24 |
| 19:18.31 | bdheeman | ! date |
| 19:18.32 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.10.14 19:18:31 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 19:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Legality, well, you said it's not 'working' .... so either you're not root then, or you're on some non-debaian system which has shutdown somewhere else |
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| 19:19.07 | Ace2016 | it turned out to be a tad unstable, just a bit though, and parts of the screen were black like listboxes, but overall a success |
| 19:19.15 | Sherlock | hey you guyz knw of any good network monitoring software?? |
| 19:19.32 | Sherlock | to put on a network router/firewall?? |
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| 19:19.49 | Ace2016 | so how do i recompile debs, like when you add deb-src lines in the sources.list and run apt-get build dep and get debian to download the source to the current directory and messwith it and stuff? |
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| 19:20.31 | bdheeman | Sherlock: depends on what you want to monitor ... |
| 19:20.49 | Ace2016 | apt-get source, that was it |
| 19:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ace2016, apt-get help |
| 19:21.12 | Sherlock | oh how about everything, server avaliblity, bandwidth - just reports and statics |
| 19:21.19 | Sherlock | i heard of zabbix |
| 19:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ace2016, i.e. something like apt-get source -b <package> |
| 19:21.56 | bdheeman | Sherlock: zenoss |
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| 19:22.28 | Ace2016 | how do you view build deps? |
| 19:22.30 | Sherlock | cool i check that, any other ideas? |
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| 19:23.12 | DawnLight | who invented this molex krap |
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| 19:24.15 | bdheeman | Sherlock: try searching freshmeat and, or sf.net |
| 19:24.25 | Sherlock | cool thx |
| 19:25.39 | bdheeman | Sherlock: you're welcome! |
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| 19:29.02 | Ace2016 | how do i get dpkg to show build-deps? dpkg -p did not show the build deps, only the deps to install it |
| 19:29.55 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 19:30.02 | Yggdrasil | anyway to make grub boot the installation cd |
| 19:30.05 | n_np | sup Yggdrasil! |
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| 19:30.15 | Yggdrasil | old laptop only boots crappy floppys |
| 19:30.21 | Yggdrasil | and the flopy drive is tqueq |
| 19:30.23 | n_np | oh no! |
| 19:30.24 | Yggdrasil | n_np sup |
| 19:30.28 | Yggdrasil | do i no u? |
| 19:30.32 | dvs | n_np: talk louder, he's a really old linux. ;-) |
| 19:30.41 | Yggdrasil | whats that sunny |
| 19:30.43 | n_np | nope but i can really recognise your nickname |
| 19:30.46 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 19:30.49 | Yggdrasil | i copy that |
| 19:30.51 | n_np | hehe ygg how about a bootp |
| 19:30.54 | Ace2016 | i had to use the goodbye-microsoft.com installer at first |
| 19:30.55 | Yggdrasil | negative.. |
| 19:30.57 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 19:31.06 | Yggdrasil | i tried the netboot |
| 19:31.16 | Yggdrasil | b ut this crap is sold old that the imiages ran out of mem |
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| 19:31.24 | Yggdrasil | wich is confusing me how i got debian on it the first time |
| 19:31.37 | n_np | maybe deb used to be a lot smaller |
| 19:31.51 | n_np | i remmember using kernel 1.3.0 :) |
| 19:31.58 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:31.59 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 19:32.00 | Ace2016 | or maybe the support for the older hardware was removed somehow? |
| 19:32.15 | Yggdrasil | thats what finaly killed this, is that it upgraded alot and letft the kernel old |
| 19:32.21 | bdheeman | Yggdrasil: try Knoppix knoppix-terminal-server |
| 19:32.37 | n_np | Yggdrasil, the trick to using old hardware is to use old software and no to upgrade it too much |
| 19:32.58 | Yggdrasil | aye |
| 19:33.08 | Yggdrasil | \bdheeman is it small ? |
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| 19:33.17 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to list build-deps? |
| 19:33.36 | DustyDingo | hm, when one package provides a virtual package is it a conflict, if i install another package, which also provids this virtual package? |
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| 19:33.56 | bdheeman | Yggdrasil: yes, you may try older versions kversion 2.4 based |
| 19:34.14 | DustyDingo | my problem is, that xorg needs xserver-xorg-video-all or xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
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| 19:34.35 | DustyDingo | but i can't manage to install a package, which provides xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 19:34.50 | Yggdrasil | well the real problem here is that i did an upgrade |
| 19:34.56 | Yggdrasil | dist-upgrade |
| 19:35.04 | Yggdrasil | and it upgraded to udev, but didnt upgrade the kernel |
| 19:35.09 | Yggdrasil | so now the os loads up |
| 19:35.22 | Yggdrasil | but no devices are loaded because udev needs newer kernel |
| 19:35.28 | Yggdrasil | and i cant get on the netowork to do it |
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| 19:36.17 | thrashy | Is there a way to display .hidden files when i do dir? |
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| 19:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls -la |
| 19:36.46 | DustyDingo | is there a way to diselect xserver-xorg-video-all and use fglrx-driver which provides xserver-xorg-video-1.0? |
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| 19:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but i really think you should look in any book explaining unix/bash |
| 19:37.17 | thrashy | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:37.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be around page one.... |
| 19:37.33 | bdheeman | Yggdrasil: try booting it with Knoppix, mount your partitions and use chroot to upgrade you kernel and, or other packages |
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| 19:38.48 | DustyDingo | or a more general question, is there even a chance so solve this conflict, or is unstable just broken? |
| 19:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | bdheeman, he said it only boots floppies :) |
| 19:39.40 | hark | DustyDingo: xserver-xorg-core conflicts with it |
| 19:39.49 | bdheeman | DustyDingo: yes, if you're brave enough you may force dpkg and, or apt-get to do it for u |
| 19:39.52 | DustyDingo | hark: right |
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| 19:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... "use the force"? |
| 19:40.39 | DustyDingo | i use unstable for about 3 months now, so this is the first time i ran in such a problem |
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| 19:40.56 | DustyDingo | therefore i really could use some hints,... |
| 19:41.02 | dvs | DustyDingo: and unstable can have far worse problems |
| 19:41.11 | DustyDingo | dvs: i can imagine |
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| 19:41.35 | DustyDingo | tho i really need fglrx, vesa is much too slow |
| 19:41.57 | bdheeman | CutMeOwnThroat: oops! |
| 19:42.07 | relis | gfhf |
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| 19:42.23 | keram | hey |
| 19:42.33 | keram | what is the best ircd package? |
| 19:43.10 | keram | i see ircd-hybrid |
| 19:43.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | bdheeman, now you should've said "no problem, use this floppy-version of knoppix" ;) |
| 19:43.15 | keram | ircd-irc2 |
| 19:43.18 | keram | ngircd? |
| 19:43.24 | DustyDingo | bdheeman: so how could i do that? |
| 19:43.42 | bdheeman | DustyDingo: IMHO, it better to stick to testing/lenny, try downgrading if u want to make your life easier |
| 19:44.17 | DustyDingo | wow, that helped alot |
| 19:44.44 | Ace2016 | you can downgrade debian? that'd get very messy wouldn't it? new packages old packages custom compiled packages |
| 19:45.42 | DustyDingo | i was allways happy with unstable, and if it is, as you say easy to solve such problems,... |
| 19:45.47 | bdheeman | CutMeOwnThroat: pxe/netboot? |
| 19:46.46 | Ace2016 | i love unstable, you get all the latest apps and i don't get why people keep saying its unstable, only time it was unstable was when i ran ubuntu's xgl without even rebuilding the deb |
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| 19:47.23 | dvs | Ace2016: it's called unstable because the package versions change constantly |
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| 19:47.55 | Ace2016 | whats wrong with that? isn't that what people want? the latest stuff? |
| 19:48.04 | mavhc | which people? |
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| 19:48.22 | dvs | Ace2016: not if I'm running a server |
| 19:48.49 | mavhc | if it ain't broke... |
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| 19:49.06 | Ace2016 | people like me |
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| 19:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ace2016, some people perhaps dont really care about the latest version of ls? |
| 19:49.51 | Ace2016 | why would you not run an xserver, thats like a cake with no icing |
| 19:49.53 | bdheeman | DustyDingo: I also attempted to try unstable at times, but I think testing is a much better option, build any/requisite latest packages from source |
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| 19:50.10 | Ace2016 | but the latest version of kde? inkscape? |
| 19:50.16 | dvs | Ace2016: I mean a mail server, web server, news server, etc |
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| 19:50.55 | dvs | bdheeman: amen. ;-) |
| 19:50.57 | Ace2016 | oh yea well thats a production machine so your stuck with the versions that have the security updates |
| 19:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ace2016, some people dont like kde? And you can (nearly) always mix the unstable inkscape package into a stable installation |
| 19:51.15 | josenj76 | does anyone how I can bridge two wired networks through two wireless laptops in ad-hoc mode? For example Network A [192.168.1.x]) connects to a laptop with 2 nic cards, wired and wireless and I want this to connect to Network B [also 192.168.1.x] through another laptop with 2 nics. |
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| 19:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | josenj76, try something like #networking? Might get a better response there? |
| 19:53.00 | Ace2016 | yea the peeps in #networking are good |
| 19:53.14 | Sherlock_ | anyone knw of software to monitor firewall logs or just logs in general ? |
| 19:53.17 | Sherlock_ | ? |
| 19:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 19:53.32 | Sherlock_ | plz tell |
| 19:53.39 | petemc | logcheck |
| 19:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | cant remember the name :) |
| 19:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 19:54.21 | Sherlock_ | haha |
| 19:54.28 | Sherlock_ | do u want me to beg.... |
| 19:55.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but "logcheck" wasnt such a bad answer |
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| 19:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had more some logfile statistics thingy in mind.... for apache logs.... |
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| 19:56.36 | Sherlock_ | ill check freshmeat some more |
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| 19:56.45 | stiv2k | help i cannot get ndiswrapper to work on 2.6.23... it just says ioctl operation not supported |
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| 19:57.22 | Ace2016 | argh, xgl does not seem to be compatible with the xorg in sid |
| 19:57.37 | bdheeman | josenj76: you need to turn on ip_forwarding on both the machines |
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| 19:59.32 | Ace2016 | So anyone here using kde know how i can get kde to autoupdate the system time from ntp pool or something, there used to be an option but looks as if it has been removed |
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| 20:01.32 | bdheeman | Ace2016: apt-cache search ntp |
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| 20:03.57 | ringo999 | hi. is anyone using using guessnet in order to select logical interface? i have installed it (according to the debian references) but all i get on "ifup eht0" is "no candidates provided: skipping detection"... |
| 20:04.08 | Ace2016 | bdheeman: ah thanks, the kde thing needed ntpdate, didn't consider that kde was just a front end for something else |
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| 20:04.34 | wols | ringo999: eth0 |
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| 20:05.24 | ringo999 | wols: sorry typo. i tried of course "ifup eth0" |
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| 20:05.42 | wols | ringo999: is this machine a laptop? |
| 20:05.53 | ringo999 | wols: yes it is, why does that matter? |
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| 20:12.18 | ringo999 | i really did everything like described in the references. i have two logical intefaces set up, home with dhcp and away with a static ip. |
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| 20:13.25 | mollitz | hi |
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| 20:14.53 | mollitz | im on knoppix-livecd and i would like to recover my files, stored on my raid 0, with 2 * 250 gb. xp is installed but it does not boot, so i hope to get the files on the raid with knoppix |
| 20:15.05 | mollitz | hä is hier deutsch ? |
| 20:15.15 | SlackRat | nein |
| 20:15.19 | zicho | I get this when i try to start tilda. http://pastebin.com/m53dbea06 |
| 20:15.24 | mollitz | just thougt ^^ |
| 20:16.04 | jelly-home | what was the name of that KDE app similar to photoshop or gimp? |
| 20:16.33 | SlackRat | krita? |
| 20:16.35 | User_FriendlY | kpaint :D |
| 20:16.55 | mollitz | is there a gui-program for activeting raid 0-"connections" ( dont know the word" |
| 20:16.58 | mollitz | ) |
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| 20:18.16 | jelly-home | krita could be it |
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| 20:18.59 | mollitz | no-one knows? |
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| 20:21.48 | piko | Hi, could anyone tell where the default environment for X is stored? I ask because my tor seems not to respond for command line apps (like elinks) and I would prefer not to set http_proxy. However there seems not to be tese variables set in /etc/profile nor /etc/bash.bashrc. |
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| 20:24.42 | Guerin | piko: using x apps over tor is a sure route to madness |
| 20:24.50 | wols | piko: /etc/profile is only for login shells, and bash.bashrc only for interactive shells |
| 20:24.58 | wols | both of those don't apply to xterms |
| 20:25.41 | Guerin | !try |
| 20:25.42 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 20:26.27 | DustyDingo | if a package dependes on a virtual package and i install several packages, which provide this virtual package is it a conflict? |
| 20:26.49 | Guerin | only if they conflict: |
| 20:26.58 | Guerin | (which they should) |
| 20:27.06 | hark | DustyDingo: the conflict is there for a reason. blame ati |
| 20:27.38 | DustyDingo | and if a package dependes on package (foo OR bar) is it a conflict if both dependencies are fullfilled? |
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| 20:28.11 | piko | Guerin: wols ok, I have problems also with some daemons and command line apps like elinks. Could anyone say where this could be se? |
| 20:28.14 | piko | set |
| 20:28.22 | DustyDingo | hark: that was a generall question about debian packages,... |
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| 20:28.59 | DustyDingo | Guerin: so there won't be a conflict, right? |
| 20:29.24 | DustyDingo | only if the packages which prvide the virtual one explicity conflict with each other? |
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| 20:33.22 | DustyDingo | hark: and i believe, that the conflict hasareason, but i can't understand what causes it on a package dependency level |
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| 20:33.40 | DustyDingo | and thats something, which i want to understand, nothing more, nothing less |
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| 20:36.12 | |Euler| | hello |
| 20:36.19 | |Euler| | I need some help |
| 20:36.26 | |Euler| | for mounting partition |
| 20:36.37 | |Euler| | I have a error message |
| 20:36.42 | Guerin | !enter |
| 20:36.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 20:37.02 | kbad | |Euler|, whats the msg? |
| 20:37.06 | hark | DustyDingo: the reason for the conflict or how conflicts work in general? |
| 20:37.13 | bolt | |Euler|: paste the command you're entering, then the error message. and quit pressing enter all the time :) |
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| 20:37.48 | |Euler| | erreur : le périphérique /dev/hda1 n'est pas amovible |
| 20:37.48 | |Euler| | erreur: impossible d'exécuter pmount |
| 20:38.00 | |Euler| | sorry it is in french |
| 20:38.01 | bolt | !fr |
| 20:38.01 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:38.15 | DustyDingo | hark: i have look on the current state of the packages involved and my current understanding og conflicts and they do not match |
| 20:38.23 | Guerin | |Euler|: LANG=C command; put the output on paster, don't paste it into the channel |
| 20:38.30 | |Euler| | ok |
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| 20:39.50 | ktwilight_ | how usable is lenny these days? |
| 20:39.57 | DustyDingo | its making me mad, that a package, which is a dependency is a conflict, i really can't understand that |
| 20:40.12 | Guerin | ktwilight_: same as any other day |
| 20:40.14 | |Euler| | where can I paste, on pastebin ? |
| 20:40.16 | hark | DustyDingo: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 20:40.26 | Guerin | DustyDingo: that's incompetent package construction. |
| 20:40.31 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, that's helpful :) |
| 20:40.37 | hark | DustyDingo: which package exactly? |
| 20:40.55 | Guerin | ktwilight_: the po9int is it changes daily, so it's a pretty vague sort of question. |
| 20:41.28 | |Euler| | http://pastebin.org/4847 |
| 20:41.54 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, true, though i wonder what's the release cycle like. are new features still being added to the current packages? or it's just weeding out the bugs now |
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| 20:42.17 | Guerin | |Euler|: evil hal/dbusspeak |
| 20:42.25 | DustyDingo | fglrx-driver and xserver-xorg-core |
| 20:42.26 | Guerin | |Euler|: can't help you with that, I'm sorry |
| 20:42.42 | |Euler| | I will offer a good bottle of scottish whisky, single malt 12 years old if you can help me ! |
| 20:42.42 | Guerin | ktwilight_: no, it's still in full-swing -- no sign of a freeze yet (or soon) |
| 20:42.48 | DustyDingo | if a manually read all the dependencies i can't spot the problem out |
| 20:43.06 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, ah i see. thanks |
| 20:43.37 | |Euler| | ok, I will find by myself, so I will learn |
| 20:44.00 | |Euler| | exit |
| 20:44.04 | |Euler| | sorry |
| 20:44.07 | |Euler| | I am stupid |
| 20:44.10 | |Euler| | sometimes :) |
| 20:44.12 | DustyDingo | ctr+d;) |
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| 20:45.03 | jelly-home | !tell |Euler| -about enter |
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| 20:45.31 | ringo999 | question regarding /etc/network/interfaces: i have a mapping that by default gives eth0 dchp, otherwise some static ip from iface "work". in addition i have a logical interface br0, which should as also get standard dhcp plus port forward from eth0. at work, however, it should get static ip from iface "work2". how to do the br0 part? |
| 20:45.54 | ringo999 | eth0 mapping usses guessnet |
| 20:46.02 | Guerin | ringo999: br0 is a bridge. it needs to come up once the interface is up. |
| 20:47.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to convert the caps lock to a backspace? |
| 20:47.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not just in X, but globally |
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| 20:49.35 | smhar | hello again |
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| 20:50.30 | smhar | now that my ati vga problem is almost solved, it is time for the wifi driver, it is a atheros based with a net5211.inf |
| 20:50.49 | jahshua | hello, is it very difficult to downgrade from sid to etch? |
| 20:51.10 | ringo999 | Guerin: yeah, but im wondering how to give it a specific ip |
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| 20:52.00 | Guerin | ringo999: you can run all sorts of `up' commands and such when it comes up. see man interfaces. |
| 20:52.08 | bdheeman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:53.43 | smhar | any pointer to start from |
| 20:54.08 | sokuban | Is there a way to get Unicode support (Japanese, Chinese and Korean) in the Console? I don't need to type, just to read. |
| 20:54.12 | hark | DustyDingo: well i can see the conflict clearly between them (sid) |
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| 20:54.40 | Guerin | sokuban: not on a linux console ; it only supports 512 glyphs |
| 20:54.52 | Guerin | sokuban: you might be able to use a framebuffer or somesuch |
| 20:54.55 | sokuban | Guerin: Then how did the installer be able to do it? |
| 20:55.33 | Guerin | sokuban: it may use a limited glyph-set -- when you say `unicode' you're talking about a possible 64k glyphs |
| 20:55.47 | Guerin | that's my understanding, in any case |
| 20:55.57 | hark | DustyDingo: also see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443129 |
| 20:56.09 | DustyDingo | hark: can you be more exact, i am really interested |
| 20:56.11 | heartsblood | These days there's a lot of confusion for me what debian is, or has become as ubuntu gains popularity. could somebody please explain the fundamental differences between the 2 for me and what debians main focus is now? |
| 20:56.17 | dutchfish | how to remove an obselete key from the .ssh/known_hosts file when HashKnownHosts yes, because this hosts key has changed due to a re-install? |
| 20:56.17 | sokuban | Guerin: Yea, but they had Chinese and Japanese there, text in that language can easily go over 512 glyphs |
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| 20:56.34 | Guerin | sokuban: it can, but in that case I'm not sure it *did* |
| 20:57.29 | Guerin | dutchfish: i think you have to do it manually |
| 20:57.30 | sokuban | Guerin: True, But do you know how to be able to read unicode or at least Chinese, Japanese and Korean. (and european languages umlauts etc, I just don't need Indian I guess) |
| 20:57.37 | hark | DustyDingo: conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-1.0 provided by fglrx-driver 8.40.4-2 |
| 20:57.59 | dutchfish | Guerin, np, but how do i find the right key to remove? i mean i have a few hundred hashed keys ... |
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| 20:58.08 | Guerin | dutchfish: man grep |
| 20:58.23 | sokuban | Everyone tells me "Just use X" But I don't really want to, I wouldn't use X if I didn't have to and it is kinda slow. |
| 20:58.25 | dutchfish | Guerin, grep on what? |
| 20:58.27 | DustyDingo | heartsblood: ubuntu chooses stupid release names, like any non related ajective with a starting capital letter with some random animal name with the same starting letter |
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| 20:58.42 | DustyDingo | only a complete idiot would use such names |
| 20:58.49 | ktwilight_ | sokuban, you need to install the necessary fonts and set the locales |
| 20:58.49 | Guerin | sokuban: I believe that with a proper setup you can read any 512 glyphs. If that's enough for you, then godspeed. My experience with CJK would indicate that it's probably not. |
| 20:59.03 | Guerin | dutchfish: hostname or ip |
| 20:59.05 | ktwilight_ | sokuban, though, windows character encodings are screwed up on linux machines |
| 20:59.13 | porkpie | hi guy's what the syntax for using debootstrap ... |
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| 20:59.15 | Guerin | ktwilight_: on a linux console? not in x or a terminal emulator. |
| 20:59.16 | ktwilight_ | sokuban, if only it doesn't adhere to utf8 |
| 20:59.21 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, both. |
| 20:59.22 | Guerin | porkpie: man debootstrap. |
| 20:59.22 | dutchfish | Guerin, yeh, right, they are hashed now per default |
| 20:59.35 | Guerin | dutchfish: not on my box they ain't |
| 20:59.40 | hark | DustyDingo: maybe propose "Ubuntu Dusty Dingo" ;) |
| 20:59.43 | sokuban | ktwilight: Where would you find fonts for unicode for the console? I don't think TTF ones would work in my case. |
| 20:59.55 | dutchfish | Guerin, in etch HashKnownHosts yes is the default |
| 21:00.00 | Guerin | ktwilight_: is there not a 512-glyph limit? |
| 21:00.07 | Guerin | dutchfish: you have my condolences. |
| 21:00.19 | sokuban | Guerin: 512 is obviously not good enough for all 3 CJK languages |
| 21:00.20 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, i wouldn't know |
| 21:00.28 | DustyDingo | hark: i keep distance, i don't want to give them the idear,... ;) |
| 21:00.34 | ktwilight_ | sokuban, why wouldn't ttf work? |
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| 21:00.42 | Guerin | sokuban: or even a single one, given they all use some form of zhongwen |
| 21:00.43 | heartsblood | DustyDingo: yea I kinda picked that up ;). But more to the point, how do the packages in ubuntu stable (refering to the upcoming gutsy release) differ from the current debian stable? Or would SID be a more accurate comparison? |
| 21:00.49 | sokuban | I need a Console font, not X. |
| 21:00.51 | Guerin | ktwilight_: because consoles are sifferent |
| 21:00.58 | dutchfish | Guerin, there must be a way, because the makers of this default surely provided also a way to remove obselete keys, isnt it? |
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| 21:01.05 | Guerin | if you don't know what you're on about, why are you on about it? |
| 21:01.18 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, oh. well, i'm not sure, but in console mode, i still can see the chinese/japanese/korean characters |
| 21:01.29 | Guerin | dutchfish: yes, there must be. I don't know it. all mine are hostname:zsjdhaks...asjdsakfd like |
| 21:01.30 | sokuban | ktwilight_: Seriously! |
| 21:01.34 | ktwilight_ | yea |
| 21:01.41 | Guerin | ktwilight_: *some* of them. |
| 21:01.52 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, *shrugs* maybe |
| 21:01.57 | sokuban | Like, not in an xterm, like tty1 |
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| 21:02.08 | ktwilight_ | Guerin, didn't bother to check every single file i have. |
| 21:02.11 | ktwilight_ | yes, in tty1 |
| 21:02.14 | dutchfish | Guerin, maybe i can hash this hostname/ip manualy and grep on it? |
| 21:02.18 | DustyDingo | heartsblood: as far as i can say, ubuntu has a strong idear about how things should work on all aspects of the system |
| 21:02.24 | Tramp | dutchfish: mv the old file away, connect to the host in question, get the hash from the new file |
| 21:02.27 | ktwilight_ | sokuban, though maybe i'm blind |
| 21:02.31 | sokuban | ktwilight: How did you do that? Do you have a framebuffer? |
| 21:03.00 | dutchfish | Tramp, good thinking ... but ... the hash of this host is new, so i cant find it in the old known_host file |
| 21:03.02 | DustyDingo | and keep in mind, ubuntu is a strictly comercial oriented project |
| 21:03.07 | ktwilight_ | sokuban, FB is off IIRC |
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| 21:03.58 | Tramp | dutchfish: ? it is in the old file, isn't it? you just don't know, how it looks like. In the new file, it will be the only one |
| 21:04.00 | dutchfish | Tramp, or is the first part of the hash identical because its ip/hostname is unchanged? |
| 21:04.05 | sokuban | ktwilight_:Is that even possible? O_o, I thought getting CJK in a console is a tough feat, (heck if you use the installer and select Japanese as your install language and go through it, you still can't see CJK in the console) |
| 21:04.32 | ktwilight_ | serious... |
| 21:04.33 | Guerin | dutchfish: that could be a way. |
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| 21:04.57 | dutchfish | Tramp, its the same machine, same hostname, same ip, but reinstalled with new ssh key |
| 21:05.06 | sokuban | ktwilight_: I tried installing with Japanese as my language and prayed but I wasn't that lucky. You must have done something extra ordinary to your system |
| 21:05.11 | sokuban | Try and remember |
| 21:05.36 | dutchfish | Tramp, nope the hash is totally different ....:( |
| 21:05.59 | heartsblood | DustyDingo: Sorry for being a pest, but would you care to explain "ubuntu has a strong idear about how things should work on all aspects of the system"? I read that as you saying debian prefers to focus on one or possibly a group of 'important' aspects. would that be a fair assumtion and if so what are those aspects? Also what do you mean by strictly comercial oriented? |
| 21:06.00 | Tramp | dutchfish: oh... |
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| 21:06.44 | dutchfish | Tramp, so the only stupid way is remove 1 only 1 hash at a time till the culprit is found ... thats about 150+ tries ... ther emust be a better way |
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| 21:07.05 | heartsblood | DustyDingo: comercial as in their goal to branch out to the home pc as in with their contracts with dell? |
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| 21:07.43 | dutchfish | Tramp, is it possible to force replace the old key? |
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| 21:08.10 | Tramp | dutchfish: not that I know |
| 21:09.12 | DustyDingo | comercial as in there is a company which wants to earn money behind the project |
| 21:09.41 | Tramp | dutchfish: hmm, check man ssh-keygen, option "-F" |
| 21:09.48 | heartsblood | Debian does not? |
| 21:10.11 | DustyDingo | which of course shouldn't meen that this something bad, its just a fact |
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| 21:10.30 | heartsblood | I think I see where your going with this |
| 21:10.35 | Wii | is this kubuntu? |
| 21:10.44 | Tramp | dutchfish: yes, this works perfectly. ssh-keygen -F <hostname> -f <known_hosts_file> |
| 21:10.54 | heartsblood | Wii: a desktop enviroment. A hack of KDE if I remember correctly |
| 21:11.05 | dutchfish | Tramp, cool, thx so much! it worked |
| 21:11.16 | Tramp | dutchfish: np |
| 21:11.17 | DustyDingo | heartsblood: and i believe thats also why ubuntu focuses on mass marked |
| 21:11.21 | Wii | heartsblood: a waa? |
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| 21:11.42 | heartsblood | Wii: that thing that allows you to click on icons on your desktop and provices you with easy access menu bars for your mouse to move around :) |
| 21:11.49 | heartsblood | provides* |
| 21:11.50 | Guerin | heartsblood: not debian, anyway. Try #kde. |
| 21:12.05 | heartsblood | Guerin: ? |
| 21:12.36 | Guerin | heartsblood: not debian, not our problem. Seeya. |
| 21:12.49 | heartsblood | Guerin: I'm sorry did I miss something? |
| 21:13.03 | DustyDingo | hark: sorry to bother you again, but for e.g. in the output of apt-cache showpkg xserver-xorg-core, where can i see the conflict with xserver-xorg-video-1.0? |
| 21:13.08 | wols | heartsblood: Ubuntu is the work of a for profit company, also debian gives a user choices e.g. all desktop environments. Ubuntu has one, and one only |
| 21:13.15 | DustyDingo | its only listed in the depencies section |
| 21:13.26 | DustyDingo | just to understand that at last |
| 21:13.31 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: it's a versioned dependency, right? |
| 21:13.39 | Guerin | heartsblood: perhaps you did. Perhaps I did. Are you on about kubuntu? |
| 21:13.43 | wols | DustyDingo: that's where you see it. there is nothing that spells out "his package conflicts eith package x" |
| 21:13.48 | Guerin | because if you are, it's not debian. |
| 21:13.54 | heartsblood | Guerin: No, I was answering somebodies question. |
| 21:16.06 | heartsblood | wols: Would you say that ubuntu's 'for profit' mentality has hurt the end user with their limitations? And your refering to Kubuntu right? |
| 21:16.06 | DustyDingo | but there is only one versionof that virtual package |
| 21:16.15 | Guerin | can we talk about ubuntu elsewhere please? I recommend #whogivesafuck |
| 21:17.00 | heartsblood | Guerin: Hi, I'm trying to get a basic understanding between ubuntu and debian so I can deploy one of them on my network. I'm sorry if asking here was the wrong place. |
| 21:17.07 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 21:17.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 21:17.31 | Nihill | no need to be rude about things guys |
| 21:17.37 | heartsblood | I'm not asking for support. |
| 21:18.05 | Guerin | heartsblood: the best way to go forward is to ask us about debian, as the ubuntu people about ubuntu, and compare notes on your own. You won't get much in the way of unbiased comment on the other from either group. |
| 21:18.08 | wols | heartsblood: are you an end user or a real admin? |
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| 21:19.15 | heartsblood | wols: I'm the one making the decision, for this discussion that's all that matters. |
| 21:19.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:20.00 | wols | heartsblood: then make a decision and leave us alone, oh great decision maker |
| 21:20.01 | heartsblood | Guerin: that's what i've been trying to ask. specfically, how does package management differ from the 2 debian stable vs ubuntu stable. Since they're bosed based on apt I assumed this would be the place to ask. |
| 21:20.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to convert the caps lock to a backspace? Not just in X, but globally |
| 21:20.20 | Dewi | wols: are we attacking people for being end-users now? |
| 21:20.40 | wols | Dewi: no. we are bowing before decision makers (aka idiots) |
| 21:20.46 | Dewi | wols: riiight |
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| 21:20.54 | Carl0s | hi |
| 21:21.10 | jelly-home | heartsblood: unfortunately a good number of people like dislike any question related to a debian-based distro (ie not debian) |
| 21:21.19 | Carl0s | anyone can help me a bit with bind? I am about to set the revdns here. I'd it all defined but what bothers me is when I ask by dns (@localhost) it returns NXDOMAIN for each IP I ask about, even these records are there. If I ask about SOA - it'd return the soa fine. |
| 21:21.25 | DustyDingo | wols: sorry, but how can i tell from this output http://paste.debian.net/39731? |
| 21:21.25 | jelly-home | heartsblood: this includes polls and comparisons |
| 21:21.38 | Guerin | heartsblood: stable is stable -- doesn't change -- for a typical period of 2-3 years with support for an additional year thereafter. Ubuntu releases every 6 months. The underlying mechanism in both are the same. Debian has m,ore software and is more conservative; ubuntu has less and is more bl;eeding-edge and consequently bills itself as more modern. |
| 21:21.55 | wols | DustyDingo: what produced this output? |
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| 21:22.23 | wols | also ubuntu very specificially targets end users |
| 21:22.32 | jelly-home | heartsblood: in addition, people here might not have all the facts straight about other distros (like the existance of Ubuntu's LTS editions) |
| 21:22.42 | DustyDingo | wols: apt-cache showpkg xserver-xorg-core |
| 21:23.16 | thedonvaughn | heartsblood, there is much i do not like about ubuntu. debian ftw |
| 21:23.31 | Dewi | heartsblood: and then of course there are ways of getting *some* more bleeding edge software in debian, such as using backports or debian testing |
| 21:23.33 | Tramp | dutchfish: In case you are still interested: The first method I suggested didn't work, because these hashes are salted |
| 21:23.43 | wols | DustyDingo: DustyDingo use apt-cache show. much much more readable |
| 21:23.59 | dutchfish | Tramp, right, but the second i can find the right key |
| 21:24.06 | heartsblood | jelly-home: I dont need all the facts just a general premise. And Guerin just asnwered the root question I was trying to get. Maybe I was asking the wrong questions. |
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| 21:24.48 | dutchfish | Tramp, with -F & -H |
| 21:24.53 | Tramp | dutchfish: yeah. But this whole hashing is dubious to me. I turned it off anyways. |
| 21:25.14 | jelly-home | heartsblood: he still didn't mention ubuntu's lts. :-) |
| 21:25.25 | heartsblood | lts? |
| 21:25.27 | Guerin | wtf is a lts? |
| 21:25.28 | DustyDingo | wols: in that case its an explicit conflict right? |
| 21:25.38 | dutchfish | Tramp, i like it ON because when ever this machine shoul dbe comprimised a hacker has no clue about my history connections and the machines i manage |
| 21:25.39 | Dewi | Carl0s: how are you asking about these IPs? |
| 21:25.57 | wols | Guerin: a ubuntu release that's supported for a few years. 3 or so |
| 21:26.03 | jelly-home | heartsblood: long-term support editions, supposedly better suited for server deployment |
| 21:26.12 | Tramp | dutchfish: well, then I hope you take care of your .bash_history as well. |
| 21:26.23 | Guerin | wols: oh, ok. Wasn't aware of those; which feeds my initial statement: ask the ubuntu people about ubuntu. |
| 21:26.23 | dutchfish | Tramp, of coarse ;) |
| 21:26.49 | Carl0s | dewi: host IP localhost |
| 21:27.02 | DustyDingo | wols: "much much more readable", well as far as i can see apt-cache showpkg lists it as it would be a dependencie, while there is a conflict with that package, so that is absolutely unreadable |
| 21:27.05 | jelly-home | Guerin: indeed. which leaves the question of whom to ask when comparing two distros |
| 21:27.17 | Tramp | dutchfish: ok, if you do this, then it may make sense for your security policy. |
| 21:27.33 | Tramp | dutchfish: for me it's just an inconvenience. |
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| 21:27.45 | wols | DustyDingo: apt-cache show is not unreadable |
| 21:27.49 | Guerin | jelly-home: ask one about one, the other about the other and do your own comparison. What's hard about that? |
| 21:27.50 | dutchfish | Tramp, i admit its inconvenient, but i can script this of |
| 21:28.04 | Dewi | Carl0s: try more like this |
| 21:28.11 | DustyDingo | wols: showpkg is |
| 21:28.12 | Dewi | Carl0s: dig @localhost ptr 137.103.174.202.in-addr.arpa |
| 21:28.34 | Dewi | Carl0s: note that that IP address is least-significant-triplet-first |
| 21:28.36 | DustyDingo | it doesn't make sence to me at all |
| 21:28.46 | wols | DustyDingo: then why do you use it? |
| 21:28.55 | wols | fore the LAST time: apt-cache show <package> |
| 21:28.59 | Dewi | Carl0s: obviously I'm using 'dig' rather than 'host', but I'm not too familiar with host |
| 21:29.14 | DustyDingo | wols: yes. i got it |
| 21:29.20 | Carl0s | dewi: host takes care of properly look for in-addr. arpa |
| 21:29.29 | Carl0s | still, your dig did not resolved correctly |
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| 21:29.48 | Dewi | Carl0s: dig also outputs a lot more to help you see what's going on |
| 21:29.56 | Dewi | Carl0s: particularly if you start flipping on debug options |
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| 21:30.36 | smhar | any tips on how to setup my notebook's atheros based wifi? |
| 21:30.42 | Carl0s | dewi: it ends on my ISP dns as the latest. This leads to my question: a) do I need ISP to set up classless delegation for this to work (I mean to query localhost, not to work in general)? |
| 21:31.00 | Dewi | Carl0s: with +trace ? |
| 21:31.12 | Carl0s | yeo |
| 21:31.19 | Guerin | smhar: depends what sort of atheros. Google atheros linux howto |
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| 21:31.45 | Carl0s | dewi: with +Trace too. I got a feeling the did not set it. but I thought it is not necessary if you query the authoritative name server directly? |
| 21:31.47 | wols | !madwifi |
| 21:31.47 | dpkg | hmm... madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 21:31.55 | Dewi | Carl0s: this is where I get unsure, because I get my ISP to host my PTRs |
| 21:32.42 | DustyBin | does anyone here suffer from 'aspergis syndrome' ? |
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| 21:33.05 | Dewi | Carl0s: I'm not sure what's customary but in my experience ISPs will host the PTRs until you ask otherwise |
| 21:33.06 | sredna | what is the apt lockfile? |
| 21:33.13 | smhar | how to disable acpi in kernel boot, I tried kernel 2.6.22 with noacpi and with pci=noacpi but both end up booting partially and then stooping with complains about acpi |
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| 21:34.10 | dutchfish | smhar, ACPI=OFF |
| 21:34.38 | Carl0s | dewi: i asked them to elegate my subclass requests to my NS. but they seem yet to do this. still - my question remails - do I need it to be done to make @localhost answer? i kinda doubt that, so the question is why it does not work (unless I am wrong and it won't work unless ISP set what needed). |
| 21:34.50 | Dewi | Carl0s: but if you're using dig with @localhost it should not matter what the rest of the internet is doing |
| 21:34.59 | abrotman | smhar: that's apic=noapic .. and acpi=off |
| 21:35.42 | Dewi | Carl0s: note that +trace does seem to break the '@localhost' directive |
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| 21:36.15 | Daemon | anyone know what file proftpd uses for its users? |
| 21:36.17 | Dewi | Carl0s: I'd say if you use @localhost without +trace, and you don't get a good ANSWER section, something is wrong with your DNS |
| 21:36.30 | Daemon | also how can i check what the dirtro that is running on the server? |
| 21:36.47 | Dewi | Carl0s: I'm going to say at this point that DNS still makes my head hurt quite a lot, so I hope I'm getting this right |
| 21:36.59 | dutchfish | Daemon, look at /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 21:37.23 | dutchfish | Daemon, cat /etc/debian-version |
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| 21:38.05 | unilynx | Anyone experienced the issue where non-gnome native apps seem to appear with really old and ugly looking widgets? Am I missing a certain library file? |
| 21:38.09 | Daemon | dutchfish - thanks, command for the version didnt work |
| 21:38.19 | dutchfish | Daemon, is it debian? |
| 21:38.22 | Daemon | yes |
| 21:38.42 | Daemon | just cant remember if i installed etch or sarge |
| 21:38.46 | Daemon | was a bit ago |
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| 21:38.53 | dutchfish | Daemon, cat /etc/debian_version (my typo) |
| 21:39.13 | Daemon | ahh thats worked |
| 21:39.19 | Daemon | 4.0 << etch right? |
| 21:39.21 | Carl0s | dewi: i suspect i got something wrong. but what? SOA works. anything else is just IN PTR ... |
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| 21:39.28 | dutchfish | Daemon, yes |
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| 21:39.33 | Daemon | thanks |
| 21:39.46 | Daemon | ok got a problem..... |
| 21:39.50 | Daemon | lemmie explain |
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| 21:40.21 | unilynx | Has anyone run into the issue where non-gnome native apps seem to appear with really old and ugly looking widgets? Am I missing a certain library file? |
| 21:41.19 | dutchfish | unilynx, a rather dif question but same problem i had, do you use backports.org in source.list? |
| 21:41.20 | anom01y | anyone here know how to set up a remote desktop server with Debian ? |
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| 21:41.31 | anom01y | so I can log in via a Windows machine ? |
| 21:41.38 | Daemon | i created the users server1, server2 and server3 a while ago, then stopped server2 and 3 and moved the files from server2 to server1. Then deleted server2 and server3. however I can still login via ftp via users server2 and server3 which takes me to /home/server directory. Cant find any entry for server2 or server3 in /etc/proftp.passwd or etc/passwd |
| 21:41.48 | unilynx | dutchfish: nope, just the testing tree's. |
| 21:42.00 | Dewi | Carl0s: hmm. I have recursive on for localhost on my DNSes... so I think @localhost is giving me misleading results |
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| 21:42.11 | Dewi | Carl0s: I seem to be able to ask for anything @localhost |
| 21:42.16 | Daemon | i created the users server1, server2 and server3 a while ago, then stopped server2 and 3 and moved the files from server2 to server1. Then deleted server2 and server3. however I can still login via ftp via users server2 and server3 which takes me to /home/server1 directory. Cant find any entry for server2 or server3 in /etc/proftp.passwd or etc/passwd * |
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| 21:42.44 | dutchfish | unilynx, i had this 1: when i invoked qemu-launcher in shell i had old TK, from gnome the new one ... i know this doesnt help |
| 21:42.52 | acu | is double Layer Burning solved ? |
| 21:43.16 | dutchfish | Daemon, man proftpd.conf |
| 21:43.58 | Daemon | dutchfish - why are u suggesting reading the manual, this isnt lazyness this is a problem where something is wrong |
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| 21:44.14 | Carl0s | dewi: i got recursive as well for localhost (so it asks other NSes for things it does not know). but to my rev it knows it's authoritative i think (it returns soa). but then it does not for IPs. dammit. i am short of knowledge here ;( |
| 21:44.32 | dutchfish | Daemon, proftpd can configured in lot of ways to check passwords, not only by its default password-file |
| 21:45.18 | Daemon | dutchfish - reading the manual isnt going to help me in this case as i dont know what im looking for not knowing what the problem is |
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| 21:46.26 | elvedin | Is debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso discontinued or something? |
| 21:46.33 | elvedin | None of the mirrors work |
| 21:46.58 | dutchfish | Daemon, check its log files first in /var/log you will have to configure password cheking the right way in /etc/proftpd (per default proftpd uses also linux account that are non-root) |
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| 21:49.57 | Daemon | dutchfish - ive sussed it thanks |
| 21:50.08 | Daemon | its was the client |
| 21:50.22 | Daemon | thanks for the help :) |
| 21:50.24 | abrotman | elvedin: should be there |
| 21:50.27 | dutchfish | Daemon, np |
| 21:50.40 | elvedin | None of the links work for me. The CD images do but not the DVDs |
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| 21:50.58 | abrotman | elvedin: ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd |
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| 21:51.46 | networkgamer | ok, i have this tower running debian |
| 21:52.00 | networkgamer | and i just added a 3com ethernet pci card |
| 21:52.16 | networkgamer | but i cant do anything about initializing it |
| 21:52.26 | networkgamer | it wont even make an eth0 device |
| 21:52.33 | elvedin | That one seems to work, although the US ones don't |
| 21:52.35 | elvedin | Weird |
| 21:52.49 | abrotman | elvedin: well .. if you want i'll find you a US one |
| 21:52.50 | networkgamer | but it knows under lspci that theres a 3com ethernet controller |
| 21:53.06 | networkgamer | how can i use it |
| 21:53.16 | elvedin | I've tried all of the Universities |
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| 21:53.26 | elvedin | Maybe it's just my Internet |
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| 21:53.37 | Carl0s | networkgamer: lsmod lists the module for this card loaded/used? |
| 21:53.44 | networkgamer | .msg nickserv identify treyflip |
| 21:53.47 | networkgamer | damnit |
| 21:53.57 | networkgamer | nvm |
| 21:53.59 | networkgamer | ok |
| 21:54.01 | networkgamer | h/o |
| 21:54.02 | abrotman | elvedin: http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:54.14 | karmatronic | networkgamer: you have to find out the module used by your network card |
| 21:54.31 | elvedin | Does that work for you? |
| 21:54.37 | elvedin | It doesn't for me |
| 21:54.47 | networkgamer | well |
| 21:54.57 | networkgamer | it listed 3c59x |
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| 21:55.06 | networkgamer | which is somewhat the model of the card |
| 21:55.09 | abrotman | elvedin: yes it does |
| 21:55.17 | elvedin | The CH mirror does though, 6MB/s |
| 21:55.19 | networkgamer | and its called mii |
| 21:55.37 | abrotman | elvedin: http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:55.38 | Carl0s | networkgamer: and what you get if you set the NIC by hand? ifconfig ... |
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| 21:55.53 | networkgamer | cant ifconfig |
| 21:55.58 | elvedin | I got it, thanks |
| 21:55.58 | networkgamer | doesnt know the command |
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| 21:56.08 | Carl0s | networkgamer: you must be kidding. |
| 21:56.14 | networkgamer | its a fresh install of debian 4.0 with xfce4 |
| 21:56.16 | dutchfish | networkgamer, are you root? |
| 21:56.22 | networkgamer | and im not kidding |
| 21:56.22 | Carl0s | networkgamer: or you not a root |
| 21:56.24 | networkgamer | yeah |
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| 21:56.39 | networkgamer | oh wait |
| 21:56.51 | networkgamer | ifconfix exists |
| 21:56.53 | Carl0s | networkgamer: ifconfig. not ipconfig <duck> |
| 21:56.57 | networkgamer | ifconfig* |
| 21:57.02 | Carl0s | locate ifconfig |
| 21:57.06 | networkgamer | but it doesnt do anything |
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| 21:57.19 | networkgamer | its there |
| 21:57.22 | karmatronic | networkgamer: do u know ur module s card ? |
| 21:57.25 | networkgamer | but ifconfig doesnt do anything |
| 21:57.36 | Carl0s | networkgamer, and what you do? |
| 21:57.40 | networkgamer | the module is mii |
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| 21:57.50 | networkgamer | for 3c59x |
| 21:58.16 | karmatronic | networkgamer: sure ? |
| 21:58.38 | networkgamer | and lspci lists it |
| 21:58.44 | networkgamer | as an ethernet controller |
| 21:58.46 | themill | networkgamer: ifconfig -a |
| 21:59.08 | networkgamer | ho wait h/o |
| 21:59.12 | networkgamer | i think i got it |
| 21:59.20 | networkgamer | bbl if it doesnt work |
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| 22:01.12 | karmatronic | networkgamer: i dont think mii is your module driver ....to begin with |
| 22:01.35 | karmatronic | networkgamer: do you run the "original" kernel ? |
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| 22:02.08 | ringo999 | i wonder how to get wpa_supplicant running with wep? i looked at the example file. but i just cant get it to work. i have a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file, in /etc/network/intefaces i have an entry: iface eth1 inet dhcp wpa_conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 22:02.51 | networkgamer | ok |
| 22:02.51 | networkgamer | didnt work |
| 22:02.51 | networkgamer | ifconfig found eth0 |
| 22:02.52 | networkgamer | well its a fresh new install |
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| 22:03.08 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 22:03.08 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 22:03.23 | networkgamer | why did i get kicked? |
| 22:03.45 | themill | !tell networkgamer about paste |
| 22:04.00 | rmaj | networkgamer: do not paste too much at one |
| 22:04.03 | networkgamer | i never did anything about that |
| 22:04.03 | themill | networkgamer: if you write lots of lines quickly, it looks like pasting. So you get kicked. |
| 22:04.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | its monday :| |
| 22:04.15 | networkgamer | ah,.gotcha |
| 22:04.20 | themill | !tell networkgamer about enter |
| 22:04.27 | networkgamer | i know |
| 22:04.30 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, [duscks] so that too .. |
| 22:05.07 | networkgamer | but anyway,how can i get my card to work |
| 22:05.35 | networkgamer | ifup says eth0 is an unknown interface |
| 22:05.40 | unix_infidel | quick question for yal.. |
| 22:05.58 | unix_infidel | if i do an md5sum of a string, can it change spontaneously? |
| 22:06.02 | themill | networkgamer: what's the PCI Id? from lspci -n |
| 22:06.05 | unix_infidel | even though the string is the same? |
| 22:06.11 | Guerin | unix_infidel: no. |
| 22:06.22 | themill | unix_infidel: md5(string) will always be the same. |
| 22:06.36 | networkgamer | 10b7:9200 |
| 22:06.38 | themill | unix_infidel: there are different ways of representing the md5 though |
| 22:07.13 | themill | networkgamer: so have you done a modprobe 3c59x ? |
| 22:07.25 | networkgamer | nah |
| 22:07.30 | networkgamer | it was automatic |
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| 22:07.39 | unix_infidel | themill: different ways? |
| 22:08.00 | themill | networkgamer: so that module is in lsmod? |
| 22:08.07 | networkgamer | yep |
| 22:08.39 | themill | unix_infidel: md5 is usually represented in hexadecimal, but it can also be base64 encoded. |
| 22:08.54 | themill | networkgamer: and what do you have listed in ifconfig -a ? |
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| 22:09.15 | networkgamer | eht0,lo and sit0 |
| 22:09.23 | networkgamer | eth0 actually |
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| 22:11.47 | networkgamer | i think the main problem is ifup |
| 22:11.51 | DawnLight | wow thank god no lag! |
| 22:11.54 | themill | networkgamer: so are you using dhcp on your network? |
| 22:12.20 | networkgamer | yeah,but it wont configure the card correctly.ifup thinks eth0 is unknown |
| 22:12.31 | themill | networkgamer: try dhclient eth0 |
| 22:12.48 | networkgamer | ok h/o |
| 22:12.53 | networkgamer | atm i only have one ethernet |
| 22:13.01 | networkgamer | so i have to switch from this pc |
| 22:13.05 | networkgamer | to that pc |
| 22:13.15 | networkgamer | bblc maybe |
| 22:14.07 | DawnLight | wow |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | sepen: you could upgrade that a bit |
| 22:14.16 | sepen | hmmm |
| 22:14.21 | abrotman | i thnk to at least slink :) |
| 22:14.25 | DawnLight | why only a bit? |
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| 22:14.42 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@pdpc/supporter/active/liable] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:14.44 | abrotman | DawnLight: 4MB isn't enough to run a 2.6 kernel i don't think |
| 22:14.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:14.46 | sepen | DawnLight, I need some other packages like openssh |
| 22:14.58 | DawnLight | 4mb ram? |
| 22:15.03 | sepen | I've running a 2.0.x kernel |
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| 22:15.45 | sepen | 2.0.34 exactly |
| 22:16.01 | DawnLight | my god. nice hardware maintenance |
| 22:16.01 | themill | ahhh... 2.0.34, that was a good kernel... |
| 22:16.29 | sepen | but where I can found a binary i386 for openssh |
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| 22:16.55 | abrotman | sepen: for hamm ? |
| 22:16.57 | sepen | I searched at achives debian hamm but I can't found |
| 22:17.03 | sepen | abrotman, yes |
| 22:17.09 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone tell me how to install ff instead of iceweasel ? |
| 22:17.14 | rocketmagnet | on etch |
| 22:17.16 | sepen | or unless for my libc |
| 22:17.26 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 22:17.29 | DawnLight | rocketmagnet: why would you do that? |
| 22:17.33 | abrotman | would sshd have been in non-us then ? |
| 22:17.43 | DawnLight | don't like the weasel? |
| 22:18.11 | rocketmagnet | i have troubles with my version, it just quits without an error message on the swfupload script |
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| 22:18.35 | DawnLight | rocketmagnet: flash is not good in etch |
| 22:18.39 | sepen | well I'll try to find the package newly |
| 22:18.45 | abrotman | !tell Wii about away |
| 22:18.50 | rocketmagnet | maybe another version would also do |
| 22:19.00 | DawnLight | rocketmagnet: perhaps there is a good version in backports |
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| 22:19.51 | rocketmagnet | or any idea how to turn on full log output, so i might see why the weasel is failing ? |
| 22:20.10 | themill | DawnLight: flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia works fine :) |
| 22:20.27 | DawnLight | hear that rockermagnet? |
| 22:20.37 | DawnLight | hear that rocketmagnet? |
| 22:21.19 | Wii | i didnt understand but ok |
| 22:21.31 | rocketmagnet | how to install a newer version than 2.0.0.6 ? |
| 22:21.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is there an archive for non-us ? |
| 22:21.59 | DawnLight | rocketmagnet: i subscribed to this http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer?highlight=%28flash%29 |
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| 22:22.16 | DawnLight | rocketmagnet: try the flash from debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:22.30 | rocketmagnet | what's the name for sources.list ? |
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| 22:22.39 | themill | !tell rocketmagnet about dmm |
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| 22:23.10 | cchance | I hace debian etch and im trying to get my lucent win modem to work with it anyideas? |
| 22:23.16 | cchance | its not in desktop mode |
| 22:23.49 | abrotman | pppconfig .. and load your driver |
| 22:23.50 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 22:23.51 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 22:23.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there's nothing in it post sarge |
| 22:24.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i know .. someone was looking for ssh for hamm .. which i figured was in non-us |
| 22:24.09 | cchance | !lucent |
| 22:24.15 | DawnLight | cchance: winmodems are for windows. some students from israel are working on something |
| 22:24.15 | abrotman | (ignoring all the security issues) |
| 22:24.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, it's probably on one of the archive servers |
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| 22:24.27 | cchance | :O |
| 22:24.28 | abrotman | i didn't see it |
| 22:24.30 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:24.30 | cchance | heh |
| 22:24.39 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, the source package at least should be there |
| 22:25.09 | cchance | what is a gpl driver |
| 22:25.18 | cchance | i havent used linux i years |
| 22:25.26 | Gm4n | it keeps GPL going :-P |
| 22:25.44 | Gm4n | (GPL is an open source licensing scheme, and a driver lets you use kinds of hardware) |
| 22:25.51 | cchance | ah |
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| 22:26.14 | Gm4n | so it's a certain kind of open source software driver for your hardware |
| 22:26.27 | rocketmagnet | themill: ty |
| 22:26.36 | themill | rocketmagnet: no worries |
| 22:26.41 | nick_fn | Hello. It looks like I accidentally removed all the files in /dev/, except .static, initctl null pts shm. How can I restore these? (Debian testing) |
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| 22:28.33 | karmatronic | does hakd conflict with udev ...? |
| 22:28.40 | karmatronic | s/hakd/hald |
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| 22:29.43 | abrotman | nick_fn: reboot |
| 22:30.35 | DawnLight | !lart the guy who invented molex |
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| 22:30.58 | et | dpkg -i molex |
| 22:30.58 | dpkg | package molex is already installed |
| 22:31.25 | themill | karmatronic: no, they work together |
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| 22:32.43 | cchance | you are telling me i got to pay some one just to get access to a driver to get online? |
| 22:33.10 | karmatronic | themill:thanks :) |
| 22:33.32 | Nyle | yeh |
| 22:33.38 | Dewi | cchance: winmodems do their signal processing in software |
| 22:33.40 | Nyle | whats up with all those lame driver websites |
| 22:33.48 | Dewi | cchance: the software is not trivial |
| 22:33.53 | Nyle | you have to pay to be a member to download drivers for your hardware |
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| 22:33.59 | cchance | wtf |
| 22:34.00 | Nyle | are people actually paying? |
| 22:34.10 | cchance | im not they can kiss my ass |
| 22:34.59 | Dewi | cchance: is somebody asking you to pay for something? |
| 22:35.09 | cchance | yeah to even get access to the download |
| 22:36.20 | cchance | hmmmaby DSL has the drivers built in |
| 22:36.51 | wols | Dewi: winmodem drivers are proprietary, yes |
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| 22:37.11 | Wii | paying for what? |
| 22:37.16 | wols | for the driver |
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| 22:37.26 | cchance | yes |
| 22:37.26 | wols | similar to the old OSS drivers: they were payware too |
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| 22:38.04 | wols | cchance: if the driver really is proprietary, DSL certainly won't |
| 22:38.05 | themill | winmodem drivers are *often* proprietary... sl-modem-daemon is non-free but doesn't cost and will support many modems. |
| 22:38.31 | cchance | i heard somewhere the dsl had the tools for it |
| 22:38.39 | cchance | besides it can run on my low 64MB system |
| 22:38.58 | Dewi | real modems work better anyway |
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| 22:39.05 | Dewi | maybe it's just me but winmodems here just drop out all the time |
| 22:39.25 | Dewi | I rarely seem to get an hour uptime |
| 22:39.26 | DawnLight | thats probably windowns' fault |
| 22:39.42 | cchance | Well at any rate im supposed to have the dsl guy in here soon |
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| 22:40.01 | DawnLight | say hello to him from us |
| 22:40.11 | wols | no. with a winmodem the CPU needs to do wrok for the connection. modem connections are realtime applications, however when the cpu isn not available since it's busy: dropped line |
| 22:40.33 | wols | cchance: and get a dsl modem that has an ethernet jack. no usb |
| 22:40.39 | Dewi | DawnLight: who knows, maybe a realtime process is interrupting the signal processing... or maybe signal processing done on a CPU is full of horrible quantization artifacts. I dunno, I just know that when I bought a realmodem for linux compatibility it was comparatively expensive BUT I could stay online for more than 20 mins! |
| 22:40.45 | cchance | Oh dont worry |
| 22:40.49 | DawnLight | the cpu does the job? good god |
| 22:40.55 | cchance | its going to to go thrugh my wireless router |
| 22:41.04 | wols | DawnLight: that's the point of winmodems |
| 22:41.12 | Kevin` | DawnLight in a windmodem yes. |
| 22:41.16 | Kevin` | winmodem* |
| 22:41.26 | Kevin` | that's why they are cheap |
| 22:41.31 | DawnLight | off with their heads! |
| 22:41.32 | themill | cchance: look at the sl-modem-* packages. they might help. |
| 22:41.38 | DawnLight | or capacitors |
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| 22:42.21 | DawnLight | i have a few modems here in my hardware treasure box. how do i know if they are real or winmodems? |
| 22:42.44 | Dewi | DawnLight: see if you can get them working in linux :P |
| 22:42.57 | takahiro | hi im having a problem, my SSH sessions seem to be timing-out very quickly (like after 60 seconds)... any ideas how to fix this problem? im just doing a putty from windows to the linux box on the local network. |
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| 22:43.35 | cchance | wo |
| 22:43.40 | cchance | dsl did find my modem |
| 22:43.41 | Dewi | DawnLight: seriously though a real modem will readily talk to you on a serial line without any software being involved - they use the AT command set (I think it's called Hayes) |
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| 22:43.44 | Silvia | hi... |
| 22:43.48 | DawnLight | if i put the telephone through the modem, can i have background music? |
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| 22:44.14 | Silvia | how can i open a protected .xls microsoft document with openoffice?? |
| 22:44.33 | Dewi | Silvia: what happens when you try? |
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| 22:45.18 | Silvia | Dewi, i am said, password is wrong and does not let me open it |
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| 22:45.51 | Dewi | Silvia: type the right password? :P |
| 22:46.14 | Dewi | Silvia: who knows, maybe Ooo doesn't support all protection versions |
| 22:46.15 | Silvia | Dewi, oh oh oh!! |
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| 22:46.25 | DawnLight | sounds like that idea should work |
| 22:46.40 | Silvia | any suggestion?? |
| 22:46.45 | Dewi | Silvia: MS has free readers for office formats if all else fails (And you still don't want to use MS Office) |
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| 22:47.11 | Silvia | it has a password |
| 22:47.21 | DawnLight | grab explosives and go rage at redmond |
| 22:47.27 | Silvia | document needs a pasword for open it |
| 22:47.47 | Silvia | may be something for open it? |
| 22:48.21 | themill | Silvia: is the problem that you don't know the correct password or that you do know the correct password but can't get openoffice to open the document? |
| 22:48.22 | zicho | !know |
| 22:48.22 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 22:48.29 | ringo999 | someone told i need to do this, in order to get suspend and resume working on my notebook: Using 2.6.18-rc4-mm1, reverting an i8042 patch, and adding the "irqpoll" boot option, I'm able to get suspend and resume working! i assume i have to go to a newer version of kernel? |
| 22:48.43 | Kevin` | <3 dpkg |
| 22:49.07 | Silvia | themill, i do not know correct password |
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| 22:50.01 | themill | Silvia: there are a number of different password crackers for office documents around on the web -- use google to find them. I don't know of any that are available for debian. |
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| 22:54.41 | ringo999 | how do i update my kernel to the latest version? right now i have 2.16.18 |
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| 22:55.33 | themill | ringo999: Since you are running etch, that is the latest version available from Debian. You can grab a backport of 2.6.22 from backports.org. /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 22:56.43 | Cataphract | can you remove arts without uninstalling kde? |
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| 22:58.08 | themill | Cataphract: only the kde-core metapackage depends on arts. Quite how your sound system will work though, I'm not sure. |
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| 22:59.04 | Nyle | you can disable arts |
| 22:59.16 | Cataphract | well, I don't care about the sound, but remove arts gives: The following packages will be REMOVED: arts* kde* kde-amusements* kde-core* |
| 22:59.36 | Nyle | don't do it |
| 22:59.40 | Nyle | just disable arts |
| 22:59.47 | Nyle | kcontrol > sounds and multimedia > sound system |
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| 22:59.54 | themill | Cataphract: they are all meta packages... check them with apt-cache show. Or just turn off the arts subsystem |
| 22:59.58 | themill | Cataphract: yeah, what Nyle said. |
| 23:00.07 | Cataphract | can I disable it completely (not in a per-user basis)? |
| 23:00.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone recommend a USB-based WLAN card based on its compatibility with Linux? |
| 23:00.32 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe: google can |
| 23:00.37 | Nyle | search for linux wifi |
| 23:00.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Tried |
| 23:00.43 | themill | !hcl |
| 23:00.43 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 23:00.43 | Cataphract | and make it stop listing on port 47296 |
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| 23:02.18 | themill | Cataphract: arts doesn't listen on network ports unless you specifically turned on "enable networked sound". |
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| 23:03.34 | Cataphract | oh that explains a lot :p |
| 23:03.40 | Cataphract | all right, thank you very much |
| 23:06.49 | Gokee2_Laptop | What would people here recomend for a office calender program that needs to be synced through a network (2) of computers? |
| 23:07.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | calendar* |
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| 23:09.55 | nullbo | Hello, using lsmod I see a module called 'unix', what is this module? it's a root kit? :) |
| 23:10.23 | nullbo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.00 | jahshua | hello, i have a .patch file that i need to apply to my kernel, would someone please be able to help me out with this? |
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| 23:12.51 | nullbo | jahshua: patch -p0 < patchfile |
| 23:13.06 | jahshua | thank you. |
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| 23:13.50 | nullbo | np |
| 23:14.08 | sha | nullbo, startup make menuconfig ... press slash for search and type unix .. see, it means Unix Domain Sockets |
| 23:14.37 | sha | but that doesn't mean that the module is clean;) |
| 23:14.49 | nullbo | sha: thanks :) |
| 23:15.24 | nullbo | well, good bye |
| 23:15.27 | nullbo | see ya |
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| 23:19.10 | silent | I'm wondering how I can change the commands executed for keyboard shortcuts, as the volume control does not function |
| 23:21.21 | SlackRat | in gnome, kde, where? |
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| 23:23.10 | silent | SlackDeb, in gnome keyboard shortcuts |
| 23:23.17 | silent | SlackRat* |
| 23:23.51 | DawnLight | silent: a program named keytouch |
| 23:23.52 | SlackRat | ah, sorry....i m a kde user......i never got sound in gnome on etch..... |
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| 23:27.12 | themill | DawnLight: does keytouch require an X event from the keystroke though? |
| 23:27.14 | Nyle | !keytouch |
| 23:27.14 | dpkg | keytouch is, like, a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 23:27.24 | Nyle | it is packaged in sid |
| 23:27.42 | Nyle | dunno about etch though |
| 23:27.46 | Nyle | !info keytouch etch |
| 23:27.50 | dpkg | keytouch: (A program to configure the extra function keys of multimedia keyboards), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 417 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB |
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| 23:28.05 | DawnLight | themill: i don't know what x events are |
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| 23:29.16 | Nyle | hey if you configure your keyboard and its already not listed in the program, email your keyboard model # and name, plus your config file to the author, so upstream can include that for other people |
| 23:29.22 | themill | DawnLight: often, the fancy keys for volume etc don't actually generate a keypress event (try running xev and then pressing them). If they do generate a keypress event, then setting them up is easy. If they don't then you've got more trouble... writing a keyboard layout for X is your next step. |
| 23:29.31 | sha | nice ... i knew only lineakd for that |
| 23:30.00 | DustyDingo | *grml* GPLv3 needs 36k,... |
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| 23:30.45 | DustyDingo | the sourcecode of my entire program isn't even so huge by now |
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| 23:33.24 | Magui | j/quit |
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| 23:35.40 | themill | !g'night |
| 23:35.40 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
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| 23:41.43 | DawnLight | what is grml? |
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| 23:42.49 | hodolo | GRML - an acronym for General Reuse Markup Language - is a markup language similar to HTML and XML, using tags to organize data in files and web ... |
| 23:42.50 | hodolo | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRML |
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| 23:45.04 | evilgeek | oh shit, another way to specify trees. |
| 23:45.14 | evilgeek | let's all write 3000-page books about it, guys! |
| 23:45.28 | evilgeek | and let's make it annoying to parse. |
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| 23:50.42 | elvedin | So I just installed the etch DVD and allegedly gcc is installed but I can't use it |
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| 23:51.20 | elvedin | None of the binaries for it exist |
| 23:51.25 | elvedin | What's going on there? |
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| 23:52.38 | hagisbasheruk | hay |
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| 23:53.33 | elvedin | Nevermind, I think I figured it out now. |
| 23:54.17 | Chapoolin | say, are .so files the equivalent to .dll files, or are they source code files used by compilers? |
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| 23:55.16 | wols | they are shared libraries |
| 23:55.32 | wols | !tell elvedin about b-e |
| 23:56.13 | wols | DawnLight: grml is a debian based live CD |
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| 23:57.42 | Chapoolin | wols:} you mean .so files are dynamically linked to executable code at the time the executable code is run? |
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| 23:59.08 | hagisbasheruk | am i uptodate ? Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:59.32 | Odd_Bloke | hagisbasheruk: Check packages.debian.org. |
