| 00:00.05 | wols | hagisbasheruk: yes, this is the latest stable debian kernel |
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| 00:00.37 | hagisbasheruk | ahh okay just thought i would break the silence ,cheers Odd_Bloke n Wols |
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| 00:01.10 | dansushi | in linux, where are the fonts that you install located? |
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| 00:01.59 | h2os_ | ne1 have system time counting twice as fast as it needs to |
| 00:02.39 | h2os_ | have an install running in vmware player and system time is really out of wack |
| 00:02.41 | hagisbasheruk | nope h2os_ |
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| 00:03.10 | h2os_ | host system is vista, (not my choice, i just have to suppprt it) |
| 00:04.03 | wols | !vmware |
| 00:04.03 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 00:05.07 | h2os_ | it maybe related to vmware player but I wanted to rule out the debian install 1st |
| 00:05.23 | DawnLight | who here told me that flashplayer-mozilla from dmm works for him? it can't resolve a dependency. it wants nspluginwrapper |
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| 00:06.01 | DawnLight | !info nspluginwrapper |
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| 00:06.45 | DawnLight | there is no nspluginwrapper |
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| 00:07.46 | wols | !nspluginwrapper |
| 00:07.46 | dpkg | methinks nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 00:08.07 | DawnLight | thanks! |
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| 00:08.38 | PhrkOnLsh | hello all |
| 00:08.55 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm about to install debian to my pc using the netinst image. |
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| 00:09.14 | cilkay | Hello. When I update Etch, I keep getting linux-image-2.6.18-5 in the updates list but I already have that installed. During the install script, I always see "The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed". Why is this package being marked for upgrade when it's already installed? |
| 00:09.24 | PhrkOnLsh | Should I have the partition I want it on preformatted to anything in particular or should I leave it unformatted? |
| 00:10.35 | bracewel | How do i get mkinitrd? |
| 00:10.55 | bracewel | Its not in a package i can find |
| 00:11.15 | DawnLight | cilkay: it is not exactly the same, it has the same name as a kernel |
| 00:11.54 | DawnLight | you want to upgrade it and reboot |
| 00:12.37 | xerophyte | I know Alt + tab will cycle through the open application is there anyway you can cycle through the one group of application like xterm windows only .. with mac os x you can do it with Alt+ ~ just wondering if there anything like that for xfce or xorg |
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| 00:14.07 | cilkay | DawnLight: I have done that several times and have seen that same image with the same version in the update list later on. Shouldn't the version change? |
| 00:14.28 | DawnLight | cilkay: it sure should |
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| 00:15.04 | cilkay | Well, it doesn't. I'm seeing this on two different machines, one running a 32 bit kernel and the other an amd-64 kernel. |
| 00:15.37 | DawnLight | two different machines? you must be doing something kinky |
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| 00:16.21 | cilkay | Nope. Just using aptitude to fetch the list of updates, mark upgradable, and go. |
| 00:16.23 | sine | do any countrys use linux in there schools as standard |
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| 00:17.03 | DawnLight | cilkay: that sounds right. and good that you are using aptitude. hmm... does aptitude otherwise work ok? |
| 00:17.15 | cilkay | Works fine. |
| 00:17.20 | cilkay | No other problems. |
| 00:18.11 | PhrkOnLsh | Does debian netinst create a partition automatically, and if not, what format should the debian partition be? |
| 00:18.12 | DawnLight | cilkay: i'd try to purge that problematic kernel |
| 00:18.42 | DawnLight | PhrkOnLsh: it does. just leave it some free unpartitioned space |
| 00:18.50 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks, DawnLight |
| 00:19.06 | DawnLight | gl |
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| 00:23.30 | DawnLight | i'm having problems answering the questions exim4 installation asks me. this is a desktop box. i guess i need exim4 only for sending out mail to an smtp server, right? and even that will be used only rarely. so what option should i choose there? |
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| 00:23.50 | DawnLight | mail sent by smarthost; no local mail? |
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| 00:27.58 | wols | yes |
| 00:28.49 | snewp | how many cd do i need if i want to install debian .. like with kde ? |
| 00:29.03 | DawnLight | thanks wols! what is this next one, System mail name? i've never heard of it. this box doesn't isn't part of a domain on the internet |
| 00:29.07 | pipeline | snewp: one... |
| 00:29.16 | PhrkOnLsh | snewp, can't you use netinst image? |
| 00:29.25 | pipeline | I'm unable to resolve most dynamic libraries if I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 |
| 00:29.31 | snewp | PhrkOnLsh, dont have broadband connection |
| 00:29.40 | PhrkOnLsh | ah, sorry |
| 00:29.44 | snewp | :/ |
| 00:29.59 | DawnLight | snewp: download the three dvd's |
| 00:30.26 | pipeline | Here is the list of libraries that can't be resolved by the linker when I export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 http://pastebin.ca/736999 |
| 00:30.32 | snewp | what about in cds DawnLight ? do i have to download all ? |
| 00:30.38 | pipeline | is this intended? Did etch or lenny drop support for non-NPTL libc stuff? |
| 00:30.46 | PhrkOnLsh | or goto your local barnes and nobel and pick up a linux magazine. THey always seem to have a livecd for some distro. with any luck you can find debian |
| 00:31.05 | PhrkOnLsh | ^snewp^ |
| 00:31.52 | DawnLight | snewp: what you download on cds is what you have. they try to put the most popular packages in the beginning |
| 00:32.25 | pipeline | This message suggests that debian has deliberately dropped binary compatibility with old linux applications http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc%40lists.debian.org/msg36047.html -- is this true? |
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| 00:33.19 | DawnLight | out with the old.. |
| 00:33.22 | DawnLight | !old |
| 00:33.22 | dpkg | old are you is <reply>i donno, ask ddent |
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| 00:34.30 | Miles_Prower_ | http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1400/fv01377.htm |
| 00:35.03 | PhrkOnLsh | approximately how long does gparted usually take to resize a 150GB partition to 100GB? |
| 00:35.24 | Kevin` | PhrkOnLsh depends where the data is physically arranged on the disk |
| 00:35.38 | DawnLight | freakishly boring stuff, though |
| 00:35.54 | PhrkOnLsh | Kevin`: I defragged it before I ran gparted... |
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| 00:36.15 | PhrkOnLsh | there was 91GB of stuff on it, all arranged at the begging of the partition |
| 00:36.24 | PhrkOnLsh | beginning, actually |
| 00:36.31 | Kevin` | PhrkOnLsh then, a few minutes usually |
| 00:36.41 | PhrkOnLsh | o.O |
| 00:36.52 | DawnLight | PhrkOnLsh: this is your first time? |
| 00:36.56 | PhrkOnLsh | yes |
| 00:37.14 | DawnLight | you have my blessings |
| 00:37.14 | PhrkOnLsh | Its been going about 20 minutes now... |
| 00:37.27 | DawnLight | don't think about stopping it |
| 00:38.03 | PhrkOnLsh | Yep... |
| 00:38.13 | PhrkOnLsh | it's on real resize right now |
| 00:38.41 | kgoetz | PhrkOnLsh: NTFS? |
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| 00:39.48 | PhrkOnLsh | yep |
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| 00:40.40 | kgoetz | gl |
| 00:41.35 | PhrkOnLsh | :-) |
| 00:41.43 | PhrkOnLsh | Ill leave it be for a bit and not sress |
| 00:42.04 | PhrkOnLsh | Its windows, so who cares... I ferried all my data to my new laptop already |
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| 00:43.50 | kgoetz | why is everyone buyin new laptops :( i'm feeling left out :| |
| 00:44.08 | PhrkOnLsh | Cause it was back to school season and they were really cheap |
| 00:44.21 | PhrkOnLsh | I got mine (Gateway MT3423) for 150$ less tan direct |
| 00:44.33 | kgoetz | good point |
| 00:45.00 | PhrkOnLsh | I need a second drive to set up dual boot on it now :-D |
| 00:46.08 | magyar | is there a way to record radio shows in kde that i listen through amarok? |
| 00:46.35 | DawnLight | magyar: krec or something? |
| 00:46.59 | PhrkOnLsh | OK! IT's moving again! |
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| 00:47.23 | magyar | DawnLight: thanks |
| 00:47.33 | DawnLight | what is my system mail name in exim4 installation? what do i need that for? |
| 00:47.48 | DawnLight | does spider's silk conduck well? |
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| 00:47.58 | kgoetz | DawnLight: where the email wil coem from |
| 00:48.30 | DawnLight | kgoetz: which email? |
| 00:48.44 | kgoetz | DawnLight: sent email |
| 00:48.49 | PhrkOnLsh | I now have 80.5GiB for debian :-) hello webserver |
| 00:49.23 | DawnLight | kgoetz: so what should i put there? i'm just a desktop user |
| 00:49.41 | DawnLight | webserver, huh... |
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| 00:50.01 | DawnLight | why not super sweet desktop environment? |
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| 00:50.06 | kgoetz | DawnLight: how are you setting up exim? |
| 00:50.18 | DawnLight | kgoetz: trying to |
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| 00:50.33 | kgoetz | relay/smarthost/local only/..? |
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| 00:51.15 | DawnLight | kgoetz: mail sent by smarthost; no local mail is the right one i think |
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| 00:51.27 | DawnLight | i am no mail server! |
| 00:51.50 | DawnLight | this is a desktop box. i recieve my mail from pop3 |
| 00:52.17 | DawnLight | and send it to an smtp server |
| 00:52.40 | kgoetz | that means you wont get system mail |
| 00:52.50 | kgoetz | if i understand correctly |
| 00:53.05 | DawnLight | i use kmail for god's sake. exim4 will only rarely be used and only to send to an smtp server |
| 00:56.31 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks for the help everyone |
| 00:56.42 | PhrkOnLsh | I think I will wait until tomorrow to install debian |
| 00:56.50 | PhrkOnLsh | until the i /part |
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| 00:57.24 | networkgamer | hmm... |
| 00:57.34 | networkgamer | how to make linux look like mac |
| 00:58.13 | networkgamer | or debian rather |
| 00:58.39 | DawnLight | networkgamer: or your desktop environment, actually |
| 00:59.09 | networkgamer | well yeah |
| 00:59.12 | networkgamer | same idea |
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| 00:59.17 | DawnLight | networkgamer: kde/gnome have theme managers |
| 00:59.26 | networkgamer | they do? |
| 00:59.31 | DawnLight | no doubt |
| 00:59.47 | networkgamer | is there a place i might download a mac theme? |
| 00:59.53 | DawnLight | this is high-end high-tech hi-fi stuff |
| 00:59.59 | networkgamer | well |
| 01:00.05 | networkgamer | this laptop is kinda low end |
| 01:00.15 | networkgamer | 700mhz p3 and 128mb ram |
| 01:00.22 | networkgamer | and 12gb hdd |
| 01:00.36 | DawnLight | networkgamer: kde in debian comes with a mac style. i don't know about gnome |
| 01:00.48 | maxamillion | networkgamer: you might want to look into running something like xfce ... or even lighter ... go with openbox or fluxbox |
| 01:00.53 | DawnLight | but kde is much too much for your box |
| 01:01.09 | DawnLight | yes, what he said! |
| 01:01.17 | networkgamer | well |
| 01:01.19 | networkgamer | kde runs fine |
| 01:01.27 | networkgamer | but i cant have all the eyecandy turned on |
| 01:01.33 | networkgamer | i usually do enlightenment |
| 01:01.48 | networkgamer | which runs nice |
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| 01:03.18 | networkgamer | any doable way for me to have at least a mac osx dock? |
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| 01:04.30 | DawnLight | if you are running kde, which you probably shoudn't, then go look at the control center |
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| 01:04.49 | leocarioca_ssa | Olá pessoal!! |
| 01:04.54 | leocarioca_ssa | tudo bem |
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| 01:05.07 | leocarioca_ssa | será que alguem pode me ajudar aqui |
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| 01:05.24 | DawnLight | i don't know that one |
| 01:05.53 | networkgamer | no piensa que tue puedes ayuda aqui |
| 01:05.59 | networkgamer | tu* |
| 01:06.20 | DawnLight | yeah tell him that |
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| 01:06.43 | networkgamer | porque yo soy solo persona aqui que hablar espanol |
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| 01:07.25 | DawnLight | because this is an english speaking channel |
| 01:07.31 | JesseT77 | Hello :) |
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| 01:07.52 | DawnLight | !greet JesseT77 |
| 01:07.53 | dpkg | Moo, JesseT77 |
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| 01:08.06 | Nopalin | what is the password for the user postgres in postgreSQL database? |
| 01:08.13 | networkgamer | porque eso es no para espanol |
| 01:08.41 | DawnLight | !espanol |
| 01:08.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:09.40 | networkgamer | wtf... |
| 01:09.48 | networkgamer | my web browsing doesnt work again' |
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| 01:10.01 | JesseT77 | Does anyone know a way to access a USB device from Debian? (not a drive but a device that pretends to be a serial device. Specificly a GPS unit (BU-353)) |
| 01:10.22 | networkgamer | idk |
| 01:10.29 | networkgamer | i barely know about linux |
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| 01:10.36 | networkgamer | just enough to use it sparingly |
| 01:10.57 | dalias | jesset77, look at the linux kernel documentation imo |
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| 01:11.13 | DawnLight | JesseT77: what do you mean access? |
| 01:11.31 | JesseT77 | Well, I dunno. Like readline access. :) |
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| 01:11.57 | evilgeek | look at /dev/usb*? |
| 01:12.04 | JesseT77 | 'It spits out line-based nmea output |
| 01:12.09 | networkgamer | or dmesg |
| 01:12.52 | anapivirtua_ | Night. |
| 01:13.04 | DawnLight | JesseT77: you can use minicom/cutecom/gtkterm to talk with it raw |
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| 01:13.13 | JesseT77 | This device doesn't have /dev/usb* .. let me check another device just to be sure if that is unusual. |
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| 01:15.47 | networkgamer | how do i prevent dhcp broadcast from getting a dynamic dns server? |
| 01:15.59 | networkgamer | or how do i keep a static ip |
| 01:16.13 | JesseT77 | networkgamer: lots of ways to set a static IP address |
| 01:16.18 | networkgamer | no |
| 01:16.27 | networkgamer | dynamic ip |
| 01:16.30 | networkgamer | by static dns |
| 01:16.33 | networkgamer | but* |
| 01:16.55 | JesseT77 | networkgamer: Many DHCP servers allow you to reserve specific DHCP addresses for specific client MAC addresses |
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| 01:17.00 | leocarioca_ssa | Will someone help me here? ? ! ? |
| 01:17.01 | leocarioca_ssa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.01 | leocarioca_ssa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.01 | leocarioca_ssa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.01 | leocarioca_ssa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.10 | GuHHH | how can i make my system boot by network? |
| 01:17.40 | networkgamer | you need a bios that supports network booting |
| 01:17.44 | JesseT77 | networkgamer: I use a netgear router for instance and it supports said feature quite nicely. :) |
| 01:17.50 | networkgamer | some pci ethernet cards will also do it too |
| 01:18.13 | networkgamer | well i mean how to keep it from searching for a dns |
| 01:18.19 | networkgamer | and just use my own |
| 01:18.22 | Kevin` | netgear rotuer? eww |
| 01:18.23 | Kevin` | ;) |
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| 01:19.24 | leocarioca_ssa | Will someone help me here? ? ! ? |
| 01:19.26 | JesseT77 | Kevin`: And you would recommend.....? ;) |
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| 01:19.48 | networkgamer | alright,nvm,i got it to work |
| 01:19.51 | Kevin` | JesseT77 I personally use debian, with ISC's software |
| 01:19.56 | networkgamer | just not static though |
| 01:20.02 | leocarioca_ssa | ITEM using a translator would help in the communication! ! |
| 01:20.02 | leocarioca_ssa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.19 | Kevin` | remove the idea, then I will |
| 01:20.39 | leocarioca_ssa | I am running Windows Vista Installed in my disk drive. I do not know what happened after that Windows was not booting. Then I had the idea of putting the Linux Debian to make the backup of personal files that present this partition. |
| 01:20.40 | Kevin` | wrong channel |
| 01:20.42 | JesseT77 | Kevin`: When my networking needs get complicated enough, then I'll devote an entire workstation to nothing but routing functions. :P ;) |
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| 01:22.03 | leocarioca_ssa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.17 | leocarioca_ssa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.42 | DawnLight | i have a psu that doesn't turn on when i short 14 with 15. a buzz is coming from the area where the two big round plastic coated things are. what can i conclude? |
| 01:24.18 | JesseT77 | leocarioca_ssa: You don't need to install Debian to your hard drive. If you only want to copy your files from the NTFS partition, use a live CD instead. |
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| 01:26.04 | JesseT77 | yayx0rs, I got minicom all set up. I'm not clear how you can instruct it to target a USB device however? |
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| 01:27.05 | leocarioca_ssa | JesseT77: My files are over 30 GB, and the partition to Debian I put 15 GB |
| 01:27.59 | leocarioca_ssa | I want to transfer the network |
| 01:28.10 | JesseT77 | leocarioca_ssa: You should not need to install Debian to a partition. You should send your files to the network, such as another computer at your home. |
| 01:28.27 | JesseT77 | leocarioca_ssa: You can do that more easily using a live CD. |
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| 01:29.51 | leocarioca_ssa | JesseT77: Me as I explain that? |
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| 01:31.37 | networkgamer | wtf? i cant install kde |
| 01:31.50 | networkgamer | cause it doesnt want to install the dependancies |
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| 01:34.26 | leocarioca_ssa | Type Linux Kurumim or Ubuntu? |
| 01:34.36 | leocarioca_ssa | Presently I am using Debian mode in the PC Chart but that will receive the files tá very distant from me |
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| 01:35.41 | leocarioca_ssa | Presently I am using Debian mode in the PC Chart but that will receive the files this very distant from me |
| 01:37.51 | networkgamer | how can i tell debian not to update the linux kernel on an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 01:39.46 | maxamillion | networkgamer: it shouldn't by default ... i always have to do a "dist-upgrade" instead to get it to pull the kernel update ... it always says the new kernel will be held back |
| 01:39.47 | DawnLight | when i jump a psu's 14 and 15 pins, the fan rotates as long as i keep the pins jumped. is this the normal behaviour? |
| 01:39.56 | maxamillion | networkgamer: also ... why would you not want the latest kernel? |
| 01:42.45 | robboplus_ | is there a reliable way of finding out all ip classes belonging to particular ISP? |
| 01:43.53 | DawnLight | damn this psu has a declared peak output of 125W :-/ |
| 01:45.03 | DawnLight | but it seems to work so whatever |
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| 01:46.00 | ameyer | 125 watt psu? how old is that thing? |
| 01:46.33 | DawnLight | wanna know? |
| 01:47.39 | DawnLight | it doesn't say. it's ashamed |
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| 01:49.18 | shogunx | ameyer, it will be a new one before long... power bills are going up, not down. |
| 01:50.14 | DawnLight | why would a psu make a buzzing sound? |
| 01:50.29 | robboplus_ | oh it's just about to blow |
| 01:50.38 | shogunx | and ever 125w is to heavy for solar power without being damn expensive |
| 01:50.39 | robboplus_ | j/k :) |
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| 01:51.07 | shogunx | DawnLight, could be a noisy capacitor (that is kind of a whine) while your buzz is probably a fan rattling. |
| 01:51.21 | robboplus_ | DawnLight there are many reasons for which this may happen... and some reasons are bad. |
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| 01:51.59 | robboplus_ | ...some are harmless though. still it's bad to have a noisy psu... i couldn't live with that |
| 01:52.33 | DawnLight | the fan seems fine. the buzz is coming from one of the thingies in there. i can't quite point at it. its an electrical buzz and the psu won't turn on |
| 01:52.35 | shogunx | i once got paid more than the cost of a new psu to put a replace a noisy fan in an old one. |
| 01:52.59 | shogunx | DawnLight, that sounds like arcing. not good. |
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| 01:53.40 | DawnLight | arcing like between stuff that shouldn't? |
| 01:53.56 | et | it shouldn't arc at all |
| 01:54.04 | shogunx | correct |
| 01:54.36 | DawnLight | strange. it is happening even when the main switch is off |
| 01:54.39 | shogunx | probably a capacitor who dielectric has seen better days. |
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| 01:55.27 | DawnLight | how can that be? |
| 01:55.46 | RAVTUX | hello |
| 01:55.48 | shogunx | most companies use cheapshit parts in psu's. |
| 01:56.09 | RAVTUX | I have a silly question... |
| 01:56.36 | RAVTUX | I installed Debian but it won't start x |
| 01:56.38 | shogunx | i likely have a silly answer. wanna trade? |
| 01:57.20 | DawnLight | i've found that the buzz responds to me touching the psu case with my fingers |
| 01:57.21 | RAVTUX | it say's (==)Log file; "/var/log/xorg.0.log" time: |
| 01:57.33 | DawnLight | i am barefoot on the floor |
| 01:58.06 | shogunx | DawnLight, is your ground decent, or is your house 2 wire? you can check by running a wire from the chassis to your nearest faucet. |
| 01:58.07 | RAVTUX | (==)Using config file /etc/x11xorg.conf |
| 01:59.03 | RAVTUX | (EE) No devices detected no screens found |
| 01:59.26 | RAVTUX | what do I need to plug in to start x |
| 01:59.48 | RAVTUX | I have an ATI Radeon Platinum graphics card |
| 02:00.24 | RAVTUX | shogunx, ? |
| 02:00.34 | DawnLight | shogunx: i assume the grounding is good. i've yet to see bad grounding in israel |
| 02:00.40 | kgoetz | !drxx |
| 02:00.40 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:00.44 | kgoetz | RAVTUX: ^^ |
| 02:00.45 | RAVTUX | anybody? |
| 02:00.52 | RAVTUX | kgoetz, hey |
| 02:01.19 | DawnLight | and nothing shocks me in the apartment, shogunx |
| 02:01.49 | shogunx | RAVTUX, under the section "Device", do you have an entry like Driver "ati" |
| 02:02.04 | RAVTUX | so I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 02:02.09 | kgoetz | yes |
| 02:02.14 | kgoetz | as root |
| 02:02.21 | RAVTUX | shogunx, not that I saw |
| 02:02.47 | kgoetz | btw, running lenny or etch? |
| 02:03.07 | RAVTUX | kgoetz, how do I login as root? "root password"? |
| 02:03.13 | RAVTUX | Etch |
| 02:03.27 | shogunx | DawnLight, from what you said, it sounds as though your psu is getting ground through you, if the buzz stops when you touch it. |
| 02:03.40 | kgoetz | RAVTUX: are you running an elive live cd? |
| 02:04.06 | shogunx | or does it simply change frequency? |
| 02:05.02 | RAVTUX | I'm speaking to you now from the live Elive CD, but I installed Debian 4.0 Etch AMD64 4GB DVD from Linux Magazine |
| 02:05.32 | kgoetz | ah right. |
| 02:05.46 | DawnLight | it doesn't buzz now. only when i play with the switch. unless someone throws an idea at me, i'm gonna take the fan and throw this away |
| 02:05.55 | kgoetz | well when x fails, you need to press ^ alt f2, login 'root' and whatever roots password is, then run the command |
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| 02:06.39 | RAVTUX | will it give me options of which driver to choose or do I need to type that in to? |
| 02:06.42 | shogunx | DawnLight, replace the switch. it could be the source of your noise. or bypass it to test. |
| 02:06.51 | kgoetz | RAVTUX: it will give a list. you should choose 'vesa' |
| 02:07.13 | RAVTUX | not radeon or fglrx? |
| 02:07.23 | kgoetz | no. |
| 02:07.28 | kgoetz | make it work, then make it better :) |
| 02:07.34 | RAVTUX | ok vesa it is |
| 02:07.38 | shogunx | vesa will work 99% of the time. |
| 02:07.58 | RAVTUX | I'm off to reboot and try and get the x driver working in Debian |
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| 02:08.13 | RAVTUX | brb hopefully |
| 02:08.38 | RAVTUX | Thanks everyone |
| 02:08.39 | kgoetz | gl |
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| 02:08.45 | DawnLight | i bypassed it and there was a bang |
| 02:08.47 | RAVTUX | thnks |
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| 02:09.14 | shogunx | DawnLight, sure you bypassed it correctly? |
| 02:09.39 | DawnLight | when it comes to this i'm not sure i am seeing correctly |
| 02:09.57 | shogunx | ahh, just replace the psu then. |
| 02:10.33 | shogunx | better not to shock yourself with something you are not familiar with. |
| 02:10.34 | DawnLight | i want it to work, if it can |
| 02:10.51 | shogunx | did anything actually blow up? |
| 02:11.04 | DawnLight | worst thing could happen is the apartment would jump |
| 02:11.07 | shogunx | like a capacitor? looks like a little metal can. |
| 02:11.20 | shogunx | that is the most often failing component. |
| 02:11.29 | DawnLight | no, nothing blew up |
| 02:11.36 | DawnLight | capacitors look fine |
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| 02:11.52 | DawnLight | the bang was a spark from where i bypassed it |
| 02:12.01 | shogunx | might have been a little arc from turn on then that cause the bang/spark. |
| 02:12.06 | gmcinnes | how to find out if a usb port supports usb 2 ? |
| 02:12.07 | DawnLight | perhaps i used too thin of a wire |
| 02:12.18 | shogunx | yep. use #16 or so. |
| 02:12.57 | shogunx | tho that kind of arc would not be uncommon... you can try again and then try to power it. |
| 02:13.13 | shogunx | the whole machine i mean. |
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| 02:13.52 | DawnLight | its not connected to a mobo |
| 02:14.08 | DawnLight | this time i've a thick wire |
| 02:14.08 | shogunx | willing to bet that at this point, the buzzing is arcing in a bad switch. |
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| 02:14.42 | shogunx | do you have a multimeter? |
| 02:15.18 | DawnLight | you were right. the spark is from the initial contact. i don't have a multimeter |
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| 02:15.28 | Devastator | i'm trying to help a friend to use her ipod on linux. ipod is formatted as fat16 and it won't mount with "mount -t vfat", any ideas? |
| 02:15.39 | shogunx | do you have a spare automotive light bulb and some alligator clips? |
| 02:15.46 | DawnLight | when i leave the bypass on it becomes silent |
| 02:15.58 | shogunx | or an old speaker and the same? |
| 02:16.43 | DawnLight | a pc speaker? |
| 02:16.51 | shogunx | if the bypass works, and no noise, then its a faulty switch. the remainder of the psu should work. |
| 02:16.58 | shogunx | a pc speaker would work. |
| 02:17.06 | DawnLight | i can pull one off |
| 02:17.07 | gmcinnes | no thoughts about how to check for usb2 support? how about how to check if a pcmcia eth card supports 10M or 100M connections? |
| 02:17.11 | shogunx | like the ones in the case. |
| 02:18.42 | shogunx | you would connect the speaker to red and black on one of the hd molex plugs. then ground short green to black on the 20 pin connector fromt he psu. if the psu is functional, the speaker will buzz. |
| 02:19.14 | shogunx | this is while the previous bypass is in effect. |
| 02:19.36 | shogunx | green is the turnon lead from the frontpanel power button, via the mobo. |
| 02:20.08 | shogunx | when it gets ground from the mobo (or elsewhere) it turns on the psu. |
| 02:20.51 | DawnLight | or i could just look if the psu fan rotates |
| 02:21.15 | DawnLight | but i don't have enough hands |
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| 02:21.23 | shogunx | DawnLight, yeah, that would work. but you will still need to ground green. |
| 02:21.31 | DawnLight | no alligators around... |
| 02:21.40 | shogunx | DawnLight, paperclip. |
| 02:21.47 | DawnLight | i have those |
| 02:21.56 | shogunx | its ground, it will not zap you. |
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| 02:22.35 | shogunx | gmcinnes, dmseg|grep ehci on the former and lspci on the latter. |
| 02:22.56 | gmcinnes | ehci? |
| 02:23.13 | DawnLight | i know. i'll just cut the wires from the switch and roll them up together |
| 02:23.14 | shogunx | gmcinnes, that is the name of the kernel module for usb2 |
| 02:23.20 | gmcinnes | shogunx: ah. right o. |
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| 02:23.39 | gmcinnes | looks like I don't have it then :) |
| 02:23.44 | shogunx | DawnLight, make sure you insulate that well. thats live 120 or 240. |
| 02:23.49 | Hobbes-- | hey. I did apt-get install package foo, the configure failed (my fault). So, I tried dpkg-reconfigure package, but, it says that that package is broken or not fully installed. Ok, now what? Package happens to be xmail, but I'm looking for a general solution, of course. |
| 02:24.08 | DawnLight | 220 i think |
| 02:24.17 | civillian | Hobbes--: apt-get -f install? |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:24.36 | shogunx | DawnLight, either way, if it touches the chassis like that, poof, and/or ouch. |
| 02:24.41 | kgoetz | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 02:25.13 | Hobbes-- | abrotman, fails earlier than it did the first time, since some files are already in place that shouldn't be. |
| 02:25.29 | Hobbes-- | kgoetz: same. |
| 02:25.34 | abrotman | full error |
| 02:25.40 | kgoetz | Hobbes--: what did you do to the system? |
| 02:25.52 | Hobbes-- | civillian: same. |
| 02:26.08 | dansushi | i'm using k3b for mp3 ripping and it's asking me to install lame, but in apt-get, i don't see any package called lame. all i see are things like twolame and glame |
| 02:26.09 | Hobbes-- | abrotman: ok one sec. |
| 02:26.12 | dansushi | any suggestions? |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | !tell dansushi about lame |
| 02:26.42 | Hobbes-- | kgoetz: well, I specified an invalid value in answer to a question in the mailx initial configure. |
| 02:26.47 | dansushi | ah, thanks abrotman |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure -plow mailx ? .. maybe |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | xmail .. mailx .. whatever |
| 02:27.41 | Hobbes-- | I am going to remove mailx with --purge and just not specify a value this time. uh, yeah, xmail. abrotman, I'll try that. |
| 02:28.12 | Hobbes-- | abrotman: nope, that complains that it's broken or not fully installed. |
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| 02:29.48 | Hobbes-- | ..eh, this is a perfect situation for me to submit a patch. ;) to xmail, I mean, to validate input before trying to use it.. Hmm. ..I'll add it to my todo list.. (along with a few dozen others that never get done... ;) ) |
| 02:29.55 | afaict | hello folks |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | just don't feed it bad data! |
| 02:30.01 | DawnLight | shogunx: its insulated. plugging in... |
| 02:30.32 | DawnLight | well, its plugged in |
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| 02:30.43 | afaict | i'm facing a problem in debian. I already solved this problem but i don't remember the right file to edit. When i boot debian my ethernet card is getting eth7 instead of eth0. |
| 02:31.23 | afaict | it's a udev problem |
| 02:31.25 | afaict | right ? |
| 02:31.36 | cmanns | I edited iptables, how do I save it? |
| 02:31.45 | Hobbes-- | abrotman: I accepted the default value! ..Ok, it looked like bad data from the gitgo, but, I figured that the package maintainer knew better than me. ;) The question was 'domain name', the default value was something like '/etc/mailname' .. Obviously not a domain name, but I thought, ok, maybe it can read a domain from a filename.... |
| 02:31.52 | afaict | cmanns iptables-save |
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| 02:32.08 | cmanns | ah |
| 02:32.12 | afaict | cmanns use thos bin to save your rules and to restore use iptables-restore |
| 02:32.15 | afaict | cmanns ok ? |
| 02:32.31 | cmanns | Oh I save that? |
| 02:32.49 | Hobbes-- | abrotman, kgoetz: on the plus side, it turns out that I was installing the wrong package anyway. I wanted mailx, not xmail. Funny how these things work out... |
| 02:33.01 | afaict | cmanns yeap |
| 02:33.19 | abrotman | Hobbes--: dpkg -P xmail && aptitude install mailx |
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| 02:33.20 | cmanns | So iptables-save > iptables and how do I restore it? iptables-restore iptables <-- file |
| 02:33.36 | cmanns | When I did iptables-save > iptables it saved it |
| 02:33.40 | afaict | cmanns nop. it will store in a system file... don't bother with files. |
| 02:33.45 | cmanns | ah ok |
| 02:33.51 | Nyle | hey man |
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| 02:33.58 | Nyle | whats up |
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| 02:34.07 | afaict | cmanns if you want know how it works use man iptables-save |
| 02:34.14 | Nyle | surprisingly I didn't see any morons in here this weekend |
| 02:34.30 | cmanns | thanks afaict |
| 02:34.45 | Hobbes-- | abrotman: bingo. Yes, that is the solution that eventually worked, although, I used apt-get remove --purge xmail && apt-get install xmail |
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| 02:35.13 | abrotman | mailx or xmail ? |
| 02:36.18 | Hobbes-- | abrotman: Well, the package I had trouble with was xmail... But that was a mistake to begin with--I actually wanted mailx. :) |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 02:37.52 | Hobbes-- | regarding my typo, I see that I am in good company! -->[21:32:02] <abrotman> Hobbes--: dpkg -P xmail && aptitude install mailx |
| 02:38.04 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 02:38.09 | Hobbes-- | ;) |
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| 02:39.06 | DawnLight | i've connected a fan to one of the molex and i'm jumping the green with the black but it's not turning on |
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| 02:40.08 | Nyle | DawnLight: ##hardware |
| 02:40.42 | Hobbes-- | ...... it used to be when I installed exim, I was prompted for how to set it up. This didn't happen just now. Uh? |
| 02:40.57 | Nyle | Hobbes--: dpkg-reconfigure exim4? |
| 02:41.00 | Nyle | or something |
| 02:41.01 | Nyle | !exim |
| 02:41.01 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to <exim4> for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | !drec Hobbes-- |
| 02:41.25 | dpkg | Hobbes--: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 02:41.44 | Hobbes-- | Ah. Thank you both., |
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| 02:42.25 | Nyle | ahh its exim4-config |
| 02:42.31 | Nyle | like fontconfig-config |
| 02:42.31 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:42.38 | dvs | Nyle: chow down! |
| 02:42.43 | Nyle | I AM! |
| 02:42.49 | Nyle | I ate so much i got sick this morning |
| 02:42.55 | dvs | heh |
| 02:42.57 | Nyle | plus I smoked a lot of weed, and now I'm drunk |
| 02:43.03 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:43.06 | Nyle | what a way to celebrate the end of ramadan |
| 02:43.10 | Nyle | no more fasting.. yippy |
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| 02:45.54 | Hobbes-- | :) |
| 02:49.29 | Hobbes-- | gah, having a mailserver is a terrible idea. This is going to harm me at some point.. :/ |
| 02:51.16 | Nyle | !borat |
| 02:51.19 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 02:51.56 | dansushi | !borat |
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| 02:54.40 | Hobbes-- | aha! I tried to send a mail from my local machine to my gmail account (actually, google hosted domain (google apps)). I got this message in my /var/log/exim4/mainlog: 2007-10-14 21:50:29 1IhFtg-0000fN-ID aspmx.l.google.com [64.233.167.114] Connection timed out |
| 02:56.34 | Hobbes-- | Does that mean that my ISP is blocking my attempt to send mail? ..Wait, if they do that, how to people normally send mail? I haven't used non-web-based in years.. :/ |
| 02:57.00 | wols_ | Hobbes--: by using your ISP's mailserver |
| 02:57.01 | civillian | Hobbes--: try using your ISP's smarthost |
| 02:57.12 | dalias | hobbes--, telnet aspmx.l.google.com smtp |
| 02:57.14 | dalias | see if it works |
| 02:57.19 | wols_ | Hobbes--: and you can check by telnetting to a mailserver on port 25 out there |
| 02:57.23 | dalias | and yeah |
| 02:57.24 | wols_ | if it doesn't connect: blame your ISP |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure cox.net blocks 25 outgoing |
| 02:57.27 | dalias | try some other mailservers too |
| 02:57.32 | dalias | like my host |
| 02:57.52 | Hobbes-- | huh. My ISP has a mail server. I wonder if it needs a password. Ok, guys, thanks. |
| 02:57.58 | Galleon | What happened to the debian weekly news? |
| 02:58.03 | dalias | galleon, :P |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | Galleon: dunktank |
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| 02:58.45 | abrotman | dunctank .. whatever it was called |
| 02:58.51 | wols_ | abrotman: what did they do to the dwn? |
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| 02:59.13 | onyma | When I used to connect an external hard drive or flash drive to my computer, nautilus would show it in computer:/// for me to mount. Now it doesn't. Does anyone know why that might be? |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | wols_: the guy that was largely responsible for collecting articles got pissed about DT .. and stopped making DWN |
| 02:59.40 | dalias | DT? |
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| 02:59.47 | Galleon | ohh |
| 03:00.11 | abrotman | dunc-tank or whatever it was called |
| 03:00.16 | dalias | what is that? |
| 03:00.24 | Galleon | too bad, I liked the news |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | http://www.dunc-tank.org/ |
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| 03:00.52 | Galleon | It was the president guys attempt to pay for development, I think |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | Galleon: lots of people liked the news .. it was an important link between the DDs and peons |
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| 03:02.42 | Shifty | hey there |
| 03:02.55 | Galleon | Hopefully some industrious and less angry individual will start it up again |
| 03:03.12 | abrotman | depending how you think .. he was justified |
| 03:03.36 | Shifty | in torrentflux i see a server load of 2.8... how is that possible?`and how can i figure out what wich process is using the cpu so much? |
| 03:04.07 | wols_ | Shifty: top |
| 03:04.32 | Shifty | ok |
| 03:05.55 | Shifty | ok i see cpu in % max 5% but server load of 2.8... what is that? |
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| 03:07.25 | DawnLight | can i plug a fan with molex while system is on? |
| 03:07.31 | riPPerMD | yes |
| 03:07.35 | Shifty | try it ^^ |
| 03:07.45 | Shifty | omg riPPerMD :/ |
| 03:07.54 | Hobbes-- | The eclipse foundation never seems to have trouble paying developers. Of course, their model would probably be even more offensive to some Debian folks than this dunc thing was. |
| 03:08.16 | riPPerMD | whats wrong with that? |
| 03:08.39 | dondelelcaro | paying developers isn't the problem; the problem is deciding who should be paid and who makes those decisions |
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| 03:09.05 | riPPerMD | no i meant about plugging a fan in |
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| 03:09.54 | riPPerMD | is it possible to compile PokerTH on debian etch stable? |
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| 03:10.15 | Hobbes-- | DawnLight: I have done that a few times with no ill effects. But, I wouldn't risk my job on it, for example. It's not likely that any voltage drop caused by the new load would harm anything, but, physics tells us that plugging in that fan *will* have a measureable outcome--measureable with a voltmeter I mean. |
| 03:10.54 | riPPerMD | nice |
| 03:11.46 | shogunx | DawnLight, sorry, was playing zelda. |
| 03:12.05 | shogunx | the psu fan should come on when you touch green to ground. |
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| 03:12.29 | Hobbes-- | dondelelcaro: I see. Well, with eclipse, the folks with the money decide who to pay and what to pay them to do. Like, eclipse doesn't have wordwrap, but, it has EMF. :) And, wow, what's this? IBM's rational rose is eclipse+EMF+some modeling tools.. Sells for a few thousand per seat. |
| 03:12.53 | shogunx | Hobbes--, thats a tiny amount of current that fan uses. |
| 03:13.09 | shogunx | DawnLight, you have the fan on red and black? |
| 03:13.40 | shogunx | iirc, red is 5V... maybe not enough to power the fan. try yellow. |
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| 03:14.13 | riPPerMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.53 | Hobbes-- | shogunx: yes. Not much to be concerned about. But.. if DawnLight is working on a nuclear reactor, well.. I would be concerned about even a tiny voltage drop. ;) On his home PC, which is, if I recall correctly, controlling some irrigation equipment, I think it's ok. ;) |
| 03:15.25 | shogunx | Hobbes--, heh heh. |
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| 03:16.03 | Hobbes-- | shogunx: what? The fan should have a label on it! I have some fans that run on 12v, some that run on 5v.. I'd suggest checking the available reference material (label on the fan) before doing experiments! :) |
| 03:16.05 | dondelelcaro | Hobbes--: third parties pay developers to do stuff all the time, actually; so that's not really the issue. |
| 03:17.54 | Hobbes-- | dondelelcaro: well, I just heard about this today, so, it's too late for me to put my two cents in. But off hand, I'd say, if some third party wants to pay certain people to do certain stuff, fine. As you say, it's already done. |
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| 03:19.36 | DawnLight | yes... irrigation! i've submitted a project to sourceforge. hope it will get approved soon |
| 03:19.50 | xerophyte | which package has the ip command? |
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| 03:20.09 | DawnLight | iptools? |
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| 03:21.14 | xerophyte | DawnLight: that does not exits |
| 03:21.48 | Hobbes-- | what is an IP command? |
| 03:22.15 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.19 | GuHHH | somebody uses x11vnc? i connect to a vnc server but i cant control anything, i just see a static window. |
| 03:22.56 | Hobbes-- | GuHHH: there is a 'view only' option, but it shouldn't be on by default. |
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| 03:23.19 | GuHHH | :( |
| 03:23.22 | GuHHH | appears to be |
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| 03:24.55 | xerophyte | DawnLight: its in the iproute |
| 03:25.12 | Hobbes-- | GuHHH: man x11vnc, hit / for search, try view |
| 03:25.30 | Hobbes-- | GuHHH: I might be sending you up the wrong tree here, sorry if that is the case. :) |
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| 03:26.57 | GuHHH | Hobbes--: maybe is it just slow? but its a good machine... |
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| 03:28.21 | DawnLight | iproute's good |
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| 03:31.51 | frutax | my device manager recognizes my audigy. but i can't get any sound from it, and it isn't listed as a device i can switch to in volume control. any ideas? |
| 03:33.30 | shogunx | Hobbes--, most psu fans i've seen run off the 12V rail. |
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| 03:38.45 | GuHHH | Hobbes--: maybe its because beryl? |
| 03:41.51 | DawnLight | frutax: install alsa |
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| 03:42.20 | DawnLight | run alsaconf |
| 03:42.25 | DawnLight | play with the mixer |
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| 03:43.12 | frutax | DawnLight: alsa was already installed, playing with alsaconf now... |
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| 04:11.35 | civillian | *Out in the streets, they call it murder!* |
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| 04:21.50 | indraveni | hi, how can we create a gpg key for a new debian reposiroty in my organisation ? |
| 04:22.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | my apt-get upgrade is failing...it cant remove mozzilla... |
| 04:22.31 | cast|lir | gpg --gen-key creates gpg keys |
| 04:22.44 | cast|lir | The_Ultimate_Sam: mozzilla being |
| 04:22.56 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ? |
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| 04:24.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39748 here |
| 04:24.07 | DawnLight | !tell The_Ultimate_Sam about doesn't work |
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| 04:24.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i also does the same with apt-get -f install |
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| 04:25.01 | DawnLight | try reinstalling it |
| 04:25.36 | The_Ultimate_Sam | nope, same message |
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| 04:27.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | aside from apt-get -f install i dont know any other ways of dealing with these things |
| 04:27.55 | dondelelcaro | The_Ultimate_Sam: you'll have to give us the full output if you want our assistance |
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| 04:28.49 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39749 k... |
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| 04:29.31 | Tabakhase | Big problem, had it some time ago, but had forgotten the workaround |
| 04:29.51 | Tabakhase | Ive got a file, file X says executable, but ./file says not found |
| 04:30.11 | cast|lir | i had that issue....hmmm, |
| 04:30.31 | cast|lir | is it the right arch? i forgot what caused it too |
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| 04:31.16 | Tabakhase | arch? |
| 04:31.44 | cast|lir | a 32bit binary in a 64bit OS |
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| 04:32.13 | Tabakhase | no =( |
| 04:32.24 | dondelelcaro | The_Ultimate_Sam: first you need to install mktemp; and second you need to DEBIAN_FRONTEND="readline" or possibly noninteractive if you can't connect to the X server |
| 04:32.25 | Tabakhase | file -> ELF 32-bit |
| 04:32.52 | Tabakhase | kernel is 64 |
| 04:33.02 | dondelelcaro | Tabakhase: you just need the 32 bit libraries |
| 04:33.05 | slocate | wht's that command to find out the pksgs that dpend on another? |
| 04:33.09 | Tabakhase | anyway to run it? |
| 04:33.28 | dondelelcaro | Tabakhase: libc6-i386 or a 386 chroot will do it |
| 04:33.41 | dondelelcaro | slocate: apt-rdepends |
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| 04:33.54 | dondelelcaro | slocate: grep-dctrl will also do it |
| 04:34.14 | Tabakhase | dondelelcaro how to do that? |
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| 04:34.45 | slocate | dondelelcaro: apt-get not dpkg wold do it? |
| 04:34.51 | dondelelcaro | Tabakhase: the fomer you aptitude install libc6-i386; the latter you mkdir foo; debootstrap --arch i386 stable foo; |
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| 04:35.13 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 04:35.41 | dondelelcaro | slocate: no, you could do it with aptitude though, but you'll have to read the search documentation to understand it yourself |
| 04:35.46 | S4nD3r | Ive gdesklets installed, but I need to run manually everytime gnome is started... Is possible to autorun when login ? |
| 04:36.05 | slocate | yeah, i know about aptitude |
| 04:36.43 | Tabakhase | year dondelelcaro aptitude install libc6-i386 was enougth =) it works |
| 04:36.51 | Tabakhase | very very very big thanks! |
| 04:37.01 | Tabakhase | you had saved my life |
| 04:37.06 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 04:38.07 | S4nD3r | what about me? |
| 04:38.51 | streuner | we forgot you! :-) |
| 04:38.59 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 04:39.13 | S4nD3r | no |
| 04:39.26 | streuner | S4nD3r: if you configured it ones and the daemon started it should do that automatically, IIRC |
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| 04:39.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | dondelelcaro: the apt-get install of mktmp is being obstructed by the removal of mozilla-locale-ja |
| 04:39.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is there a way i can tell it to forget about removing mozilla-locale-ja? |
| 04:39.57 | S4nD3r | i started as application, manually |
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| 04:41.29 | Tabakhase | brb, breakfast time =) |
| 04:41.41 | Tabakhase | 6:40 in the morning =) |
| 04:41.58 | DawnLight | how do i give a user shutdown permission? |
| 04:42.24 | DawnLight | is there a group for that? |
| 04:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sudo users :) |
| 04:42.46 | streuner | DawnLight: /etc/sudoers |
| 04:42.47 | Grueber | on my NetBSD there is a way ,so it's possible, yeah sudo |
| 04:42.54 | S4nD3r | how to add service using interface in debian?? |
| 04:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | er sudoers |
| 04:43.01 | S4nD3r | service as daemon |
| 04:43.09 | DawnLight | i don't want sudo |
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| 04:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight, in this case, I can offer you another anser: "it depends" |
| 04:43.44 | streuner | DawnLight: <user> ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown -h now - use it, it works just fine ;-) |
| 04:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | S4nD3r, you install the package :) |
| 04:44.01 | Element14 | what's the difference between tetex and texlive packages? |
| 04:44.02 | stiv2k | hi how come for some reason i can view files on a newly installed hard disk on my server thru ssh but thru NFS, the drive appears to be empty? |
| 04:44.30 | DawnLight | i know sudo. i'm using is over ssh with key. i don't want it to ask me the password |
| 04:44.31 | S4nD3r | i installed gdesklets |
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| 04:44.39 | S4nD3r | now id like to add it as daemon |
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| 04:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, you cd-ed into the directory before the mount :) |
| 04:45.08 | DawnLight | i want a single line to halt the remote box |
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| 04:45.15 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 04:45.35 | DawnLight | preferrably ssh remotebox shutdown now |
| 04:45.48 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: ok heres the exported fs: /home/media |
| 04:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, other answer "no, it cannot be".... but if you do cd /mnt/mydisk; mount /mnt/mydisk, you will still see the directory from before the mount |
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| 04:46.05 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: /home/media contains disk1 and disk2 (disk2 is a separate hard disk mounted there) |
| 04:46.15 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: disk1 i can read all the files in it but disk2 appears to be empty |
| 04:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, well, check with mount if it was really successfully mounted... |
| 04:47.04 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: it is, i can view it when i'm ssh'd into the machine |
| 04:47.12 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: but from nfs it appears empty |
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| 04:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, well, it is mounted THERE, but is it mounted "here", i.e. as an nfs share |
| 04:47.46 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: so i should make it a separate share? |
| 04:47.48 | streuner | S4n: if you are able to configure it, the daemon just run now |
| 04:47.58 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do i install mktmp without dealing with the mozilla-locale-ja? |
| 04:48.02 | Grueber | inetd.conf might be what you had in mind |
| 04:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, if it is empty, it is not mounted... (I'd think) |
| 04:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, so you should a) check if it really is and b) find out what went wrong |
| 04:48.34 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: no you dont understand... it *is* mounted, i can view its contents when ssh'd into the box but not from my laptop thru the NFS share |
| 04:49.03 | stiv2k | /dev/mapper/sdb1 on /home/media/disk2 type ext3 (rw) |
| 04:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, no, it is you who doesnt understand... it is mounted on your other computer, but it is not mounted as an nfs share on your computer |
| 04:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
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| 04:49.46 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: yea thats what i was asking you, even though /home/media is an nfs share, you're saying i need to make it its own separate share? |
| 04:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | replace the last "computer" with "laptop" |
| 04:50.01 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: i.e. make /home/media/disk1 and /home/media/disk2 separate NFS shares? |
| 04:50.09 | stiv2k | since they are separate hard disks |
| 04:50.14 | indu | how can I get amd64 arch. support in my cd |
| 04:50.18 | indu | I am building the cds |
| 04:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that I dont understand :) |
| 04:50.36 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: we are miscommunicating too much |
| 04:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems so :) |
| 04:51.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | separate from what |
| 04:51.18 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: i have /home/media on the server mounted as an NFS share on this laptop |
| 04:51.20 | streuner | The_Ultimate_Sam: did you do what dondelelcaro told you? |
| 04:51.31 | stiv2k | its contents contain: disk1/ disk2/ |
| 04:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, I think, you should check with "mount", if the nfs disk is listed as mounted |
| 04:51.46 | Tabakhase | Is there a easy way to "Kill all task of usrer XYZ"? |
| 04:51.56 | stiv2k | i can view all the contents of disk1 ... movies and whatnot |
| 04:52.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | yes, when i installed mktmp, it errored |
| 04:52.08 | stiv2k | and i can see disk2 but it appears to be empty (from here, through NFS) |
| 04:52.11 | The_Ultimate_Sam | because of the mozilla-locale-ja |
| 04:52.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it still wants to remove it |
| 04:52.25 | Tramp | Tabakhase: man killall |
| 04:52.26 | stiv2k | disk2 is the top of the filesystem of a secondary hard drive |
| 04:52.28 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and it wont let me install anything |
| 04:52.30 | streuner | The_Ultimate_Sam: show us the whole error |
| 04:52.49 | Tabakhase | Tramp i take a look, thx |
| 04:53.06 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39752 |
| 04:53.09 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: so, i dunno if the mounted filesystem gets carried over through NFS it appears to not be |
| 04:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, uh :) |
| 04:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k, yes, I guess so |
| 04:53.30 | Tabakhase | --user, nice |
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| 04:53.35 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 04:53.35 | dpkg | i guess unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 04:53.36 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 04:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems nfs doesnt export the logical sub-path, but the disk |
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| 04:54.01 | streuner | The_Ultimate_Sam: read what the bot told you - here #9 |
| 04:54.14 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: im not followign you |
| 04:54.31 | streuner | well, i asked you, did you do what dondelelcaro told you, you didnt |
| 04:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you are right... if that's what you see, you must probably use two separate shares |
| 04:54.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | cannot connect to x-server? |
| 04:54.47 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it always says that |
| 04:54.53 | streuner | "readline" |
| 04:54.54 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: i will try |
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| 04:55.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i did that too |
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| 04:55.31 | streuner | How? |
| 04:56.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | typed "DEBIAN_FRONTEND="readline"" into the console |
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| 04:56.20 | streuner | nm then |
| 04:56.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it didnt give any feedback and went to the next line...so i asume it worked |
| 04:56.42 | streuner | The_Ultimate_Sam: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose "readline" |
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| 04:58.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39753 |
| 04:58.39 | The_Ultimate_Sam | the first message is gone now, but its still erroring |
| 04:58.52 | blahdeblah | Hi. Are there any tools in Debian that allow creation of the correct XML files for iTunes clients to find MP3 files as podcasts? |
| 04:59.50 | blahdeblah | There seem to be plenty of tools for collecting and aggregating podcasts, but none for creating that i can see with apt-cache search... |
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| 05:00.11 | dondelelcaro | The_Ultimate_Sam: yes, and so the first thing you need to install is mktemp; if you are unable to do that, then you'll have to manually edit the postrm. |
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| 05:01.06 | Mordbrann | blahdeblah: try searching freshmeat? |
| 05:01.09 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well the mktemp is unable to install, unless i can tell it not to try and remove mozilla-locale-ja and ONLY install mktemp |
| 05:01.25 | dondelelcaro | The_Ultimate_Sam: have you attempted to install it? |
| 05:01.29 | blahdeblah | Mordbrann: Not yet - will do. |
| 05:01.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | yes |
| 05:01.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thats what was in that message i showed |
| 05:01.57 | The_Ultimate_Sam | http://paste.debian.net/39753 <--see |
| 05:02.07 | dondelelcaro | The_Ultimate_Sam: that message doesn't show the command you actually ran to get that messge. |
| 05:02.27 | The_Ultimate_Sam | just apt-get install mktemp |
| 05:02.42 | dondelelcaro | The_Ultimate_Sam: but in any event, rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-locale-ja.postrm; and then dpkg --configure -a; |
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| 05:06.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | yay it worked |
| 05:06.25 | streuner | !congratulate The_Ultimate_Sam |
| 05:06.25 | dpkg | Woohoo The_Ultimate_Sam, you did it! |
| 05:06.53 | streuner | The_Ultimate_Sam: Is that lenny/testing, btw? |
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| 05:07.13 | The_Ultimate_Sam | etch |
| 05:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont exaggerate |
| 05:07.57 | cast|lir | indeed, it was only a jog |
| 05:08.22 | Grueber | lol |
| 05:08.46 | Grueber | it's the girl guide cookies talking :D |
| 05:08.52 | Grueber | they must've drugged it |
| 05:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | cool, know where to get some? |
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| 05:09.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait - I 1st want to know if you started seeing giant hairy spiders in the 48 hours following eating them |
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| 05:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | GHB? |
| 05:10.56 | Grueber | lol giant spiders, I have black widows living around here, last thing I want to think about |
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| 05:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | girls having breasts? giant hairy beasts? |
| 05:11.30 | Grueber | lol |
| 05:11.32 | Tramp | Grueber: where's that? Southern US? |
| 05:11.32 | Grueber | eew |
| 05:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | good health bractices? |
| 05:11.37 | Grueber | nope, Canada |
| 05:11.44 | cast|lir | it's a drug iirc, got a reputation for being involved in date rape |
| 05:12.12 | Tramp | Grueber: uh. Never thought they could be found that far north |
| 05:12.29 | Grueber | yeah they''re here, they're pretty common too |
| 05:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... I see, this is about exposing my ignorance... a) what's it stand for and b) what's date rape :) |
| 05:12.45 | Grueber | lol |
| 05:12.56 | Grueber | you don't want to be involved with date rape |
| 05:13.11 | Grueber | it's when you get laid with a chick and get caught and the chick tells them that you were raping them |
| 05:13.24 | cast|lir | unfortunately because my uni is run by windo^H^H^H^H^Hunskilled individuals i have no access to wikipedia, but i'm sure its there |
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| 05:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.4women.gov/faq/rohypnol.htm#1 |
| 05:13.55 | Grueber | Windows Vista FT^H^H^HW |
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| 05:14.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I actually read some nice stuff about gamma hydroxybutyric acid... |
| 05:14.31 | Grueber | lol it's been over 2 hours this P2 350 has been compiling 2.6.23 |
| 05:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's the difference between rape and "date rape"? |
| 05:15.44 | Grueber | I just told you |
| 05:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 05:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, sorry |
| 05:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | busy reading that webpage and skipped the line |
| 05:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx |
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| 05:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that definition doesnt match the use on that webpage... (?) |
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| 05:16.51 | cast|lir | what does that webpage||wikipedia say? |
| 05:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I aint sure I understand the concept completely |
| 05:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Although we use the term "date rape," most experts prefer the term "drug-facilitated sexual assault." |
| 05:17.42 | cast|lir | daterape to me is a vague term, but means drugging a girl and raping her - maybe on a date, or maybe just buying a random girl a drink |
| 05:18.01 | Grueber | yeah that's actual rape |
| 05:18.02 | streuner | Please change the subject |
| 05:18.06 | Grueber | you go to prison for that |
| 05:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, well, suggest some subject :) |
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| 05:18.40 | cast|lir | streuner is right. no debian user in history has ever been date raped me thinks |
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| 05:18.45 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: /topic? |
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| 05:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, a specific one |
| 05:19.18 | snacky | let's talk about wols_ |
| 05:19.39 | cast|lir | wols_ must be at least a C cup before wols_ can be center of attention |
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| 05:19.49 | snacky | cast|lir: love is blind |
| 05:19.50 | Grueber | well there's reiser, charged with double murder :P |
| 05:20.02 | Grueber | love sucks :P |
| 05:20.40 | mhall | 'lo all... my friend is an addict of the on-boot tuxen to show off his crazy quad core xeon x3220 he just got... is there a nice easy way to enable framebuffer at boot without having to recompile? say editing a config file and rebuilding the initrd, etc? |
| 05:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | could talk about love noe :-P |
| 05:20.45 | Grueber | love is like the devil, it posses you :P |
| 05:21.15 | bakero | hi there can someone help me to fix my gcc?! I?ve got some problems with dependencies (libc6 and libc versions) |
| 05:21.32 | Grueber | you got libc6-dev? |
| 05:22.12 | cahoot | mixing versions? |
| 05:22.17 | bakero | I can?t install it because libc6 dependencies |
| 05:22.22 | bakero | i think so |
| 05:22.30 | bakero | but how can I fix them |
| 05:22.45 | cahoot | mixing what versions? |
| 05:23.48 | wii | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.51 | bakero | i don?t know sorry i?m a newbie ... can you tell me how to screen my versions?? |
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| 05:24.19 | GuHHH | hey, is there any way to find a line in a file, and add a # to the beggining of the line, by command? |
| 05:24.26 | cast|lir | i think it would be best to ask what release you're using and how did you break things |
| 05:24.39 | cast|lir | GuHHH: sed -i |
| 05:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | why framebuffer.... you just meant the graphical start? That's normally using VESA modes, I thought |
| 05:25.02 | bakero | Debian 4.0 etch 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 05:25.19 | streuner | bakero: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:25.33 | streuner | bakero: and show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 05:25.36 | streuner | !paste |
| 05:25.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 05:27.15 | bakero | ii libc6 2.6.1-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:27.35 | wii | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.55 | mhall | 'lo all... my friend is an addict of the on-boot tuxen to show off his crazy quad core xeon x3220 he just got... is there a nice easy way to enable framebuffer at boot without having to recompile? say editing a config file and rebuilding the initrd, etc? |
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| 05:29.23 | streuner | bakero: thats sid/unstable |
| 05:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhall, why framebuffer.... you just meant the graphical start? That's normally using VESA modes, I thought |
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| 05:30.27 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah that's the thing i need... and i know how to get it with a kernel rebuild |
| 05:30.38 | bakero | can I somehow install a stable version?? |
| 05:30.45 | osmosis | apt-get upgrade says there is a new package. How do I check the changes before installing it ? |
| 05:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but th |
| 05:30.53 | streuner | bakero: too late... |
| 05:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's not framebuffer, that's just switching a vesa mode |
| 05:30.57 | supoib | mhall: try the package splashy |
| 05:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | afaik |
| 05:30.59 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: but i'm wondering if there is a way to help my shiny object loving friend achieve his graphically induced linux nirvana without such bureaucratical excresences |
| 05:31.05 | bakero | damn! |
| 05:31.06 | streuner | bakero: just re-install |
| 05:31.30 | mhall | supoib: problem being that only works once i get an FB driver working |
| 05:31.55 | mhall | supoib: thing is i'm trying to achieve this in a stock debian kernel without having to resort to such excesses |
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| 05:32.02 | bakero | what is if I install only unstable compatible versions ?! is it possible?? |
| 05:32.05 | supoib | i see |
| 05:32.06 | mhall | supoib: which means i have fb modules but it's not compiled into the kernel |
| 05:32.23 | streuner | bakero: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:32.26 | mhall | is there some way to enable fb from the initrd, etc. without having to rebuild the kernel? |
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| 05:36.27 | gonzaloaf | hi, I just hear sound in one side of my speakers, what could be the problem? my sound device is an intel and is integrated to the mainboard |
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| 05:37.29 | cast|lir | gonzaloaf: mechanical issue? |
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| 05:39.01 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, in windows it works well |
| 05:39.10 | cast|lir | ahhh. |
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| 05:40.04 | GuHHH | does it works: sed 's/$(grep /etc/apt/sources.list -i cdrom)/#$(grep /etc/apt/sources.list -i cdrom)' ? |
| 05:40.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dont't think so |
| 05:40.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's it supposed to do |
| 05:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I dont think that does anything you might want it to do :) |
| 05:41.05 | cafuego | comment out cdrom lines? |
| 05:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and, does it? |
| 05:41.37 | PRIYAN | my modem is of motorola chipset...i cant detect it in my debian linux..how can i use it to connect to internet from my linux..presently i use win xp |
| 05:41.43 | cafuego | i fully expect that to print "no such file or directory" |
| 05:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | sed 's/\(.*cdrom\)/#\1/' |
| 05:42.25 | cafuego | -i |
| 05:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be correct without the \ before the ( and ) |
| 05:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yeah |
| 05:42.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | sed -i 's/\(.*cdrom\)/#\1/' |
| 05:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | better to check if it does the right thing 1st without -i option, though |
| 05:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... and actually, to be on the safe side |
| 05:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | sed -i 's/^\(.*cdrom\)/#\1/' |
| 05:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although that should in fact be identical) |
| 05:43.44 | GuHHH | CutMeOwnThroat: i want to comment out the lines with cdrom |
| 05:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, is it possible to have $(command) within sed syntax? |
| 05:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuHHH, see answer above... |
| 05:45.15 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: Dunno, does Dibhala know? |
| 05:45.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, Dibhala was flogged by people with their teeth stuck together for over a week and cannot answer anything |
| 05:45.55 | cafuego | making it parse a grep line from the ame file makes *no* sense though |
| 05:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and having $() within single quotes shouldnt work either |
| 05:46.40 | GuHHH | the grep syntax is wrong hehe |
| 05:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's a bash thing |
| 05:47.41 | cafuego | And no, you cannot repalce a string with grep output via $() |
| 05:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and whatever $() does (I thought, $() does arithmetics, not start commands) |
| 05:47.51 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: it does start commands... |
| 05:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, then that was $(()) :) |
| 05:48.12 | snacky | lol pumpkins |
| 05:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it doesnt inside single quotes... |
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| 05:48.48 | cafuego | inside single quotes, nobody can hear you scream |
| 05:49.03 | Rynoo | question |
| 05:49.08 | GuHHH | hehehe |
| 05:49.29 | GuHHH | cafuego: could i make it with double quotes? |
| 05:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rynoo, answer! |
| 05:49.37 | cafuego | GuHHH: No. |
| 05:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuHHH, why dont you take my answer from above, which has the advantage to work? |
| 05:49.51 | Rynoo | trying to install Red5 on a Debian Etch server. Java is apparently installed, but its saying its not configured |
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| 05:50.16 | GuHHH | i want to learn if its possible to do something like that |
| 05:50.17 | GuHHH | ;P |
| 05:50.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuHHH, yes it is, and it's done like i wrote above |
| 05:50.29 | Rynoo | tried installing using apt-get install sun-java5-bin - which it did, but it still says its not configured |
| 05:50.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 05:51.00 | Rynoo | I think I may have accidently DISagreed with the EULA, but it won't allow me to get back to that dialog window, any idea how to get back to that dialog window and accept? |
| 05:51.13 | cafuego | GuHHH: It's not possibly to do something like that. |
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| 05:51.29 | cafuego | GuHHH: Of course you cna chain commands, but you can spawn a shell as a substring in sed. |
| 05:51.32 | cafuego | can't |
| 05:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rynoo, try apt-get install <package> --reinstall |
| 05:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rynoo, or deinstall completely (e.g. with dpkg --purge package) and install it again |
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| 05:56.03 | Rynoo | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 05:56.04 | Rynoo | dpkg: error processing sun-java5-bin (--configure): |
| 05:56.04 | Rynoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.04 | Rynoo | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 05:56.04 | Rynoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.04 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 05:56.15 | Rynoo | woops, sorry |
| 05:56.35 | Rynoo | anyway |
| 05:56.43 | Rynoo | if anyone saw that, thats what I'm getting now. |
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| 06:01.41 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to rebuild libapache2-mod-php5 for Etch because if I enable mod_php5, it breaks my mod_python sites. Apparently, this is because they were not linked to the same versions of the libraries when they were built. I'm using "debuil" but it chokes at the point where the package has to be signed by "signfile php5_5.2.0-8+etch7.dsc sean finney <seanius@debian.org>" |
| 06:02.05 | cilkay | I'm obviously not that guy so how do I work around this? This is my first attempt at (re)building a Debian package. |
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| 06:07.19 | dto | hello peeps. i bought a 2GB keychain USB thing on sale. i want to backup all my configs and textfiles and mail onto it. and maybe a couple of albums i couldn't live without. but what can i do with the rest? maybe I could have a sort of debian live-disk thing? a mini-operating environment that i can take anywhere? is there anything cool like that? |
| 06:07.37 | Kevin` | dto sure, debian |
| 06:07.46 | Kevin` | ;p |
| 06:07.56 | Kevin` | 2gb is plenty for a normal install |
| 06:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | cilkay, no idea, but I'll readthe answer with interest :) |
| 06:08.02 | Kevin` | (which is around 500) |
| 06:08.10 | dto | but let's say i just plug it into a windows machine and reboot. |
| 06:08.23 | dto | can I store backup files on it AND have it be a bootable debian thing? |
| 06:08.36 | Kevin` | booting from usb is pretty simple, if the bios supports it, it boots like a hard drive |
| 06:08.56 | dto | would i have to reconfigure my friends' PC's or do a lot of them allow usb booting by default? |
| 06:09.05 | Kevin` | depends on the default |
| 06:09.16 | Kevin` | oh |
| 06:09.21 | Kevin` | most allow it by default |
| 06:09.29 | dto | that's cool. i guess i'll do it. |
| 06:09.44 | dto | then i need to learn how to share the RAID drive from downstairs to all 3 machines. |
| 06:09.57 | dto | i'm setting up my own multimedia studio/house LAN |
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| 06:10.11 | Kevin` | dto nfs is probably the best if more then one will be accessing it at once |
| 06:10.16 | Kevin` | cifs for windows clients |
| 06:10.17 | dto | yeah. |
| 06:10.27 | Kevin` | (nfs is faster then cifs) |
| 06:10.27 | dto | it'll be mostly the unix boxes |
| 06:10.52 | Kevin` | hmm, there was something I wanted to say... |
| 06:10.56 | dto | the idea is i can take the laptop into the living room and it can stream stuff from the others at will. also it means i can work on large audio files wherever i want |
| 06:11.06 | Kevin` | oh yeah. to load the root filesystem on linux boot, you will need usb drivers, and you will need to use an initrd |
| 06:11.45 | dto | http://dto.freeshell.org/images/shot.png <---- different hosts labeled in each window |
| 06:11.46 | Kevin` | (there are patches to avoid using an initrd.. not worth messing with since debian has all it's automagic stuff) |
| 06:12.19 | dto | so wait, can i just install the image from http://www.speakeasy.org/~lion/nb/ |
| 06:12.25 | dto | hi rcy |
| 06:12.29 | dto | oops, wrong channel |
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| 06:30.18 | enouf | !qotd172 |
| 06:30.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd172 is <abrotman> !maint sex |
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| 06:30.19 | giwe | Does anyone know how to set a process to be RT? |
| 06:30.37 | Kevin` | giwe man nice or renice |
| 06:30.48 | Kevin` | giwe what are your requirements for "RT"? |
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| 06:31.18 | giwe | Kevin`: I'm trying to write a program that reads data from a PCI card and writes that to harddrive. |
| 06:31.38 | giwe | Kevin`: Have you done anything similar? |
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| 06:32.05 | Kevin` | giwe like vsftpd? (more information on the requirements please) |
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| 06:32.57 | Grueber | not bad, P2 350 compiled 2.6.23 in 3 hours 26 minutes |
| 06:33.14 | giwe | I don't know what vsftpd is but will look for it. Regarding requirements, I'm getting continuous data at 200Mbps+ from the pci card. |
| 06:33.41 | giwe | Kevin`: and I don't have how to tell the card to hold on. |
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| 06:34.44 | giwe | Kevin`: I'm creating a big buffer on linux. The buffer on the PCI card is not very large. So I need to read it continuosly. |
| 06:35.04 | giwe | Kevin`: that doesn't quite go down to the requirements. |
| 06:35.09 | Kevin` | giwe put that part of your code in the kernel, as a normal driver |
| 06:35.48 | giwe | Kevin`: how much that would buy me as compared to userland? |
| 06:36.31 | giwe | Kevin`: The problem is that I need to talk to the PCI card through a c library (which is closed). |
| 06:36.38 | Kevin` | giwe ouch. |
| 06:43.46 | giwe | Kevin`: yep. |
| 06:43.46 | Kevin` | it would buy you quite a bit though. the only comparision I have from my personal experience is thus, which is semi-related: |
| 06:43.48 | Kevin` | switching an IO pin on a certain board from userspace (c) using a generic driver: ~60hz. doing the same thing in kernel space: ~10mhz |
| 06:43.48 | grub_ | hi, i am getting this error while trying to use ssh ssh: relocation error: ssh: symbol EVP_Cipher, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference. This happened after i upgraded the testing install. any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 06:43.48 | giwe | Kevin`: Is this related at all to jiffy? |
| 06:43.48 | giwe | Kevin`: The HZ parameter in the kernel? |
| 06:43.48 | Kevin` | giwe for timing/scheduling purposes, I suppose |
| 06:43.48 | giwe | Kevin`: Yep. Is this what is killing me? |
| 06:43.48 | giwe | Kevin`: Actually I'm not quite dead yet. |
| 06:43.48 | Kevin` | giwe how are you accessing the pci device anyway? there must be some kernel code your using |
| 06:43.48 | giwe | Kevin`: yes, there is a kernel driver, which is open. |
| 06:43.48 | GuHHH | can anybody help? when i try to compile a file it says: "configure: error: libdnet not found" but i have libdnet-dev installed |
| 06:43.48 | GreaseMonkey | hey guys, my brother is trying to install debian 4.0 by CD, but it hangs when trying to load /install.386/vmlinuz at about the 5th dot. could someone please help? |
| 06:43.48 | GreaseMonkey | i think it's a p2-mmx |
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| 06:43.49 | giwe | Kevin`: But I don't know exactly what the c library is doing there to process the requests. |
| 06:43.49 | GreaseMonkey | AFAIK it's an i586 |
| 06:43.50 | Kevin` | giwe apparently not very well designed for performance, since they shifted all the "real work" to their userspace c library |
| 06:43.50 | Kevin` | giwe you could strace it |
| 06:43.50 | Kevin` | or log from the driver |
| 06:43.50 | Kevin` | if your into that sort of thing |
| 06:43.50 | giwe | Kevin`: correct. I've looked at strace. But I think it is a lot of work. |
| 06:43.50 | giwe | Kevin`: I think I end up not seeing a lot of things because the c driver may be passing data through DMA. |
| 06:43.50 | giwe | Kevin`: I did a lot of printk's but I think I don't see the meat there. |
| 06:43.50 | giwe | Kevin`: does this make sense? |
| 06:43.51 | Kevin` | giwe yeah. |
| 06:43.52 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 06:44.21 | giwe | Kevin`: I have some hope. If I can bring the latency down to around 1ms. |
| 06:44.47 | Kevin` | giwe you may want to look at using some of the semi-realtime kernel patches that are floating around |
| 06:44.49 | giwe | Kevin`: that may be sufficient to keep the buffer on the PCI card okay. |
| 06:45.22 | giwe | Kevin`: I thought about RTAI. any others that you know of? |
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| 06:45.52 | Kevin` | giwe I don't remember the names, because I don't use them. I even remember reading a rather nice comparison of them |
| 06:46.26 | giwe | Kevin`: I may need them, but I'm trying first to stick to a vanilla kernel. |
| 06:46.56 | GreaseMonkey | is there anyone else on? |
| 07:01.44 | GreaseMonkey | the CD works under VMWare |
| 07:01.44 | giwe | Kevin`: I know that we can renice or nice, but I was wondering what RT in certain processes mean. |
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| 07:01.44 | Kevin` | giwe i'm not familiar with a designation like that for a vanilla kernel (again, I haven't looked much, I usually reduce process priority rather then do realtime) |
| 07:01.45 | giwe | Kevin`: I'll show you one as curiosity. |
| 07:01.45 | giwe | Kevin`: root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0 |
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| 07:01.45 | giwe | Kevin`: out of top. |
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| 07:01.45 | giwe | Kevin`:root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0 |
| 07:01.45 | giwe | Kevin`: for most of the processes. |
| 07:01.45 | Kevin` | oh, that's interesting |
| 07:01.45 | giwe | Kevin`: yep. this is plain vanilla kernel. |
| 07:01.45 | giwe | The -5 is the "nice" priority. |
| 07:01.45 | giwe | but before that you have that RT. |
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| 07:01.45 | giwe | Kevin`: it looks like the watchdog process is the only one labeled with an RT. |
| 07:01.45 | Kevin` | giwe find it's source :) |
| 07:01.46 | Kevin` | assuming that's not a kernel thread |
| 07:01.46 | giwe | Kevin`: yep. it may have to do with setting the scheduler to FIFO or RR. |
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| 07:01.47 | giwe | Kevin`: SCHED_SETSCHEDULER(2) |
| 07:01.47 | SpeedyG | what display driver should I use? nv or nvidia ? |
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| 07:01.49 | SlimG | Is it possible to use a Debian install medium as a "live" terminal environment? with the ability to temporarily install packages to memdisk etc. |
| 07:01.49 | Guerin | SlimG: not really, since it's a busybox |
| 07:01.49 | Guerin | use a livecd for that purpose |
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| 07:01.49 | giwe | Kevin`: I looked at vsftpd, but for ftp you have at least flow control and ARQ. |
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| 07:01.49 | Kevin` | giwe I meant it as an example of a program that reads from a pci card and writes to the hard drive |
| 07:01.49 | Kevin` | nothing more :) |
| 07:01.49 | blahdeblah | Hi. Does anyone know of a command-line tool that can be used to copy ID3 tags from one MP3 file to another? I need to do some bulk conversions, but lame loses the ID3 tags when you do that. |
| 07:01.49 | SlimG | Guerin: Didn't know there were a live-version of Debian, is it possible to boot the live disk without X? |
| 07:01.49 | cast|lir | SlimG: google for live+debian |
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| 07:01.49 | giwe | Kevin`: sure. I don't have neither flow control nor ARQ ;) |
| 07:01.50 | Guerin | SlimG: there's no official debian livecd, but there is one around there |
| 07:01.50 | Guerin | !livecd |
| 07:01.50 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 07:01.50 | giwe | Kevin`: s/don't// |
| 07:01.50 | tralala | blahdeblah, have you already looked up the debian archive? |
| 07:01.50 | blahdeblah | tralala: I've tried, but none of the id3 tools seems to allow copying from one file to another. You seem to have to parse the output and then manually place it on another file. (The parsing is the tricky part.) |
| 07:01.50 | SlimG | Guerin: Thank you :) |
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| 07:01.51 | Kevin` | giwe hmm, if your a company, perhaps you could just ask the people you got this card from for the source? (under nda or whatever sillyness they want) |
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| 07:01.51 | giwe | Kevin`: yep, that's a possible path. |
| 07:01.52 | basanta | i was following http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm for my natserver. so far so good, but I need to open some port e.g. 2401 for cvs how do I do that ? |
| 07:02.16 | giwe | Kevin`: do you know much about computer architecture? |
| 07:02.37 | Kevin` | giwe more then most, but, no, not at all :) |
| 07:13.54 | alaya__ | basanta: just ACCEPT it in an INPUT rule |
| 07:13.54 | giwe | Kevin`: I was trying to figure out if data that comes from HD hits the PCI bus or not. Any clue? |
| 07:13.54 | Kevin` | giwe probable answer: yes. where's your hard drive controller |
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| 07:13.54 | tralala | blahdeblah, I think id3v2 with a little help from awk can do the trick |
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| 07:13.54 | basanta | alaya__, ok |
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| 07:13.54 | giwe | Kevin`: It is not in any PCI slot but that doesn't guarantee anything. |
| 07:13.55 | Kevin` | giwe lspci |
| 07:13.55 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:13.55 | giwe | Kevin`: oh! that's right. lemme see. |
| 07:13.55 | giwe | Kevin`: IDE interface: Intel Corporation 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller |
| 07:13.55 | alaya__ | basanta: maybe use -m state --sta |
| 07:13.55 | alaya__ | te NEW also |
| 07:13.55 | giwe | So, does this most likely hits the pci bus. |
| 07:13.55 | alaya__ | stupid ass line breaks with less |
| 07:13.55 | basanta | alaya__, but the cvs server is not the nat machine. its other machine on the same network |
| 07:13.55 | blahdeblah | tralala: I've tried id3v2 before, and the output seemed a little dirty. I might revisit. |
| 07:13.56 | Kevin` | giwe you are planning to saturate pci with this? |
| 07:13.56 | giwe | Kevin`: I'm worried that both data coming from the PCI card and the data going to the HD will hit the PCI bus. |
| 07:13.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... blahdeblah talks to tralala .... definitely time to go to bed... apparently am starting to have strange hallus |
| 07:13.57 | giwe | Kevin`: 200Mbps+ in one way and another 200Mbps+ in the other I believe. |
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| 07:13.57 | Kevin` | giwe Hmm. see what happens :) |
| 07:13.57 | giwe | Kevin`: PCI card => Memory => HD. |
| 07:13.57 | alaya__ | basanta: ah then you would want to dnat |
| 07:13.57 | giwe | Kevin`: I've run tests already. I get reasonable average throughput. The problem is not dropping data. |
| 07:13.57 | alaya__ | basanta: DNAT in a PREROUTING rule |
| 07:13.57 | Kevin` | giwe that's bytes, yes? |
| 07:13.57 | Kevin` | (per second) |
| 07:13.57 | giwe | Kevin`: no. bits. it is about 30MBs |
| 07:13.57 | Kevin` | oh. |
| 07:13.57 | tralala | CutMeOwnThroat, do it before you become suicidal |
| 07:13.57 | giwe | Kevin`: not too bad. |
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| 07:13.57 | giwe | Kevin`: I'm also probably okay so long the transfer is a short burst. because data gets cached into memory first. |
| 07:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | tralala, am already suicidal.... better do it before any hairy black spider thingies the size of dogs turn up |
| 07:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 07:13.58 | giwe | Kevin`: the problem is when I've got sustained incoming data. |
| 07:13.59 | basanta | alaya__, ok |
| 07:13.59 | tralala | blahdeblah, it's a bit noisy, yes but it gives you the tag names. You can use them later on as command line options |
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| 07:22.24 | ivant | suppose I want to use LVM with an external (USB) hard-drive. Is there a way to tell system that I'm going to unplug the drive from the computer (so that it could make sure everything is synced, and then remove the devices in /dev)? |
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| 07:22.25 | ivant | s/system/the system/ |
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| 07:22.25 | simonrvn | jp: join your distro's channel... you must've missed my correction |
| 07:22.25 | tralala | blahdeblah, if you're into programming there's also a python module (mutagen) that handles id3 tags. |
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| 07:22.26 | jp | simonrvn:we dont know about that, that's why we are asking help in this channels |
| 07:22.43 | simonrvn | jp: what's your distro? |
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| 07:27.11 | jp | simonrvn:boss |
| 07:27.11 | jp | simonrvn: based on debian |
| 07:27.11 | simonrvn | never heard of it |
| 07:27.11 | jp | we prepared that for india |
| 07:27.11 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 07:30.48 | simonrvn | jp: well, look in sid for the live-cd stuff, probably what you need |
| 07:30.48 | simonrvn | jp: might also be in lenny |
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| 07:30.49 | The_BallJ | ifconfig shows eth0, but ifconfig eth0 sais device not found: http://pastebin.com/m7bece091 - This is inside a xen domain, as soon as I upgrade from sarge to etch this happens. Any ideas why? |
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| 07:30.50 | jp | simonrvn: thanks |
| 07:30.50 | simonrvn | jp: dfsbuild - Build Debian From Scratch CD/DVD images; mkinitrd-cd - Creates an initrd image for booting from a live CD-ROM or USB device; and other stuff |
| 07:30.50 | simonrvn | HTH |
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| 07:30.51 | alaya__ | simonrvn: wow that's really cool |
| 07:30.55 | tralala | The_BallJ, because of a typo et0, instead of eth0 |
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| 07:31.26 | The_BallJ | tralala, doh! yes it has, another pair of eyes helps |
| 07:31.54 | simonrvn | jp, alaya__: there's also another package that i can't remember the name for, works with the live-cd stuff from alioth (alioth.debian.org) |
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| 07:32.15 | The_BallJ | I thought I just confirmed the same problem again, first time I upgraded it happened, but this time I installed libc6-xen which did the trick I think |
| 07:32.25 | alaya__ | simonrvn: i love hanging out here just to catch stuff like that. really useful. |
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| 07:41.06 | alaya__ | Debian has to be the most fun distro :-) |
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| 07:42.57 | fireba11 | hm .. a lot fo bugfix kernels lately .. |
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| 07:45.12 | zophy | this snd-intel8x0 module loads up fine but i can't get any sound from this gateway 4026gz laptop |
| 07:45.23 | simonrvn | alaya__: just for the sheer variety :) |
| 07:45.52 | zophy | winxp drivers don't work either, it takes a driver from gateway to get it working |
| 07:45.55 | zophy | bummer |
| 07:46.20 | simonrvn | alaya__: it's a good thing debian's around, with all its warts, because the world needs something to look forward to, wrt computing |
| 07:47.05 | zophy | simonrvn, oh gawd, this is all we have to look forward to ? |
| 07:47.32 | zophy | i'm ready for some New Technology |
| 07:47.56 | simonrvn | things change zophy |
| 07:48.14 | rvalles | alaya__: no idea about that, but it's a lot of fun anyways |
| 07:48.14 | zophy | is the linux kernel fully utilizing the dual core cpu ? |
| 07:48.23 | simonrvn | the only constant is change |
| 07:48.33 | rvalles | zophy: no, thankfully it leaves some CPU time for userspace apps to run |
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| 07:48.42 | cydork | zophy: which kernel? |
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| 07:52.54 | mzuverink | has VLC been placed into the repos for testing yet, I cant seem to find it, only the docs for it? |
| 07:53.21 | cydork | !info vlc-nox lenny |
| 07:53.23 | mzuverink | which is kinda strange since it is in unsable |
| 07:55.16 | cydork | !why vlc-nox is not in testing |
| 07:55.17 | dpkg | vlc-nox is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc-nox |
| 07:55.37 | mzuverink | cydork, thanks |
| 07:56.14 | cydork | mzuverink: no problem. |
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| 07:59.43 | zophy[] | i wonder how much time i should waste trying to get sound working on this laptop |
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| 08:08.49 | RichiH | is there any way to mount a xfs dump? |
| 08:08.50 | mhall | Hello I am having some problems compiling the framebuffer support on AMD64 with 2.6.22.10. I can't get it to run in FB mode instead of VGA text mode. |
| 08:08.57 | alaya__ | !tell zophy[] about alsa-checklist |
| 08:09.23 | simonrvn | mhall: try 2.6.23 maybe |
| 08:10.16 | simonrvn | RichiH: loop mounting it, if possible |
| 08:12.27 | RichiH | simonrvn: xfsdumps have a special format, so that is not an option |
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| 08:12.33 | RichiH | i would need $tool in between |
| 08:12.46 | simonrvn | no idea then. check their ML |
| 08:13.07 | RichiH | arr |
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| 08:14.03 | simonrvn | sorry :/. or their chan, here |
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| 08:20.22 | suki | anyone here run ipcop? :) |
| 08:20.52 | xand | used to, replaced it with debian |
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| 08:21.52 | mhall | simonrvn: any reason why it'd be any better |
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| 08:24.40 | simonrvn | mhall: bug fixes? :) |
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| 08:29.21 | mhall | simonrvn: k ill yty |
| 08:29.24 | mhall | simonrvn: try* |
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| 08:30.27 | L0cKn | Hello all! :-) |
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| 08:32.05 | dto | hello. i'm trying to get public ssh keys to work and i copied id_rsa.pub to my other machine's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 08:32.44 | dto | but when i try to ssh to the server, i get asked for the passphrase (instead of the password for the user account on the server). i want it to log in without a password |
| 08:32.54 | dto | am i doing somethign wrong? |
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| 08:35.02 | cydork | dto: if you want it work without a passphrase, don't enter any while creating id_rsa.pub |
| 08:35.47 | mindmedic | dto: look here: http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ |
| 08:35.57 | internat2 | so im looking for an easy way of notifying customers that there account has been dsiabled, namely for not paying. im thinking of making a field in the database that is like a temp disbaled thing, and making the sql return a different home path if they try to login, to one that just has a your account has been disbled message sitting in it.. (my setup is courierauth using mysql, and a virtual userbase. courierpop/imap and the ssl versi |
| 08:36.12 | dto | thank you folks :-) |
| 08:36.38 | internat2 | any suggestions/bad ideas in that? |
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| 08:39.45 | zophy{} | hi |
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| 08:42.12 | porkpie | guy's how do I add a static host entry ie foo = 192.168.1.55 |
| 08:42.36 | porkpie | is it in the resolv.conf |
| 08:42.48 | dto | /etc/hosts |
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| 08:43.03 | dto | ok folks, that page says it is bad to use an empty passphrase. |
| 08:43.33 | cydork | dto: yes it's not very secure ;) |
| 08:43.51 | porkpie | dto:what would be the syntax |
| 08:43.58 | cydork | !/etc/hosts |
| 08:43.58 | dpkg | format of /etc/hosts: 'IP_NUMBER FULL_HOSTNAME ALIAS', eg: '3.1.33.7 eleet.org eyeyam', or a sort of cheat sheet for the computer to do some hostname-to-ip look ups without going through dns. |
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| 08:44.04 | dto | cydork: well, this is a totally firewalled lan |
| 08:44.16 | porkpie | thanks dpkg |
| 08:44.16 | dpkg | my pleasure, porkpie |
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| 08:44.26 | cydork | dto: not a problem then.. |
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| 08:52.31 | dto | yay. now i can type "hostname df" and get output of df from that host :-) |
| 08:53.15 | dto | or something like this: |
| 08:53.27 | dto | tar czf - ~ | hostname "cat > backup.tar.gz" |
| 08:53.34 | Natilous | Hi, I'm using ADSL connection(64Kb). in window$ I have 64Kb download (with IDM-Internet Download Manager). but in Linux I have 15 or 20 Kb download with 'wget' ... any help ? thanx |
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| 08:55.57 | Natilous | no one can help me how can I solve this problem? |
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| 08:58.00 | Natilous | please help me ... what can I do ... |
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| 09:06.08 | covertwist | Hello, is there a way to tell debian to use sun jvm 6 by default? |
| 09:06.17 | covertwist | now it's using gjc |
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| 09:11.12 | cydork | covertwist: run update-alternatives --config java_vm |
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| 09:17.03 | gynterk | Is it possible to disdinguish ssh logins for certain allowedgroups by subdomain |
| 09:17.08 | gynterk | like myGroup can login only via domain1.example.org and mygroup2 via domain2.example.org |
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| 09:20.28 | wols_ | covertwist: uninstall gcj and its ilk first, then /msg dpkg install java |
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| 09:24.50 | xand | gynterk: you can do that for a user, but not a group |
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| 09:25.22 | gynterk | damn |
| 09:25.24 | gynterk | ah ok |
| 09:26.00 | gynterk | but |
| 09:26.38 | gynterk | possible to make it that way domain1.example.org > certain users, domain2.example.org, all other (except certain) ? |
| 09:27.05 | gynterk | since there are not much certain users, but there are much all other |
| 09:27.06 | Ciaran_H | Hey there. :) I have a question... I have a multihomed IPv4 Debian box (actually a dedicated server), and I'm setting up the IP addresses to be static with the appropriate IPs in /etc/network/interfaces, using eth0, eth0:1, etc. The trouble is, it seems to always want to use the last IP to bind outbound requests to. How can I make it use the first IP instead? |
| 09:27.12 | gynterk | authentication goes via ldap |
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| 09:34.38 | xst | I am using a (somewhat crappy) virtual server which clock is running way too fast. How can I increase the frequency in which NTP is updating and correcting the clock? |
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| 09:36.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | what would be an good replacement for "Konsole" for gnome? Konsole rulez, but its kde and i don;t wnat to install al the kde dependancys |
| 09:37.10 | petemc | gnomer-terminal |
| 09:37.16 | petemc | ermn, gnome-terminal |
| 09:37.33 | et | urxvt ;) |
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| 09:39.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | petemc, gnome-terminal lacks features |
| 09:40.06 | petemc | like what? |
| 09:40.06 | xand | what features does it lack? |
| 09:40.13 | Ciaran_H | I guess there aren't any ideas for my IP address problem? :/ I can give more information if anybody needs it. |
| 09:40.46 | petemc | Ciaran_H: i have the same issue, some of the daemons i use have configuration options to work around it |
| 09:41.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | petemc, like the options for color sheme, opening different termianls, not really needed stuff but it is quit usefull |
| 09:41.36 | petemc | huh |
| 09:41.46 | petemc | you can set colour schemes |
| 09:42.13 | petemc | not sure what you mean by "opening different terminal" |
| 09:42.40 | Ciaran_H | petemc: Right, but I assume there must be some way to set the default outbound interface to use when several pseudos share the same subnet? Annoyingly, /sbin/route tells me that it's using eth0, when it's plainly using eth0:4. ;p |
| 09:43.14 | petemc | Ciaran_H: i fully understood your question |
| 09:43.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | Konsole you have under the button "session" multiple options like open midnightcommander session, rot shell and so on |
| 09:43.42 | Ciaran_H | (well, actually, right now it's a normal eth0, because I temporarily disabled the other interfaces, but this is from what I saw) |
| 09:43.59 | Ciaran_H | petemc: Yeah, I know, it's just, meep. :( |
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| 09:47.16 | galf | How to make initrd.gz for 2.6.22? |
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| 09:47.50 | galf | Who can help me? |
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| 09:57.03 | Trewas | DJ-Marcuzz: gnome-terminal has profiles which can do that (run some commands automagically etc) |
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| 09:58.12 | daemo | I have loaded module eth1394, now how can I start a network with static IPs? |
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| 09:59.08 | cydork | daemo: man interfaces |
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| 10:01.39 | daemo | cydork: thanks |
| 10:01.49 | daemo | what is the "network" field for? |
| 10:02.26 | xand | omg, someone actually wants to use firewire for networking :o |
| 10:02.44 | daemo | xand: yes.. |
| 10:02.48 | daemo | is that a bad idea? |
| 10:03.12 | daemo | now that I have modified the interfaces file what should I restart? |
| 10:03.23 | petemc | ifup ethN |
| 10:03.24 | wols_ | daemo: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 10:03.28 | wols_ | or that |
| 10:03.50 | daemo | ok thanks |
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| 10:06.16 | slammer | hello all can someone tell me where i can find a list of copatable hardware for debian |
| 10:07.10 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 10:07.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 10:07.32 | wols_ | slammer: debian is a linux like any other: can one distro use a hardware, all can |
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| 10:07.56 | slammer | ok where do i find a list at |
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| 10:09.03 | wols_ | reading is not your forte, hm? |
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| 10:09.22 | slammer | na just a stupid redneck lol |
| 10:09.52 | RZIM | if i need event.pm for irc where would i get this? |
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| 10:10.34 | g00se | How do i dump all function prototypes in .so file to stdout? |
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| 10:10.45 | MarkH_UK | hi all, |
| 10:10.55 | MarkH_UK | trying to get legacy support on Debian Etch for MySQL 4.1 |
| 10:11.02 | MarkH_UK | and it keeps insisting to install 5.0- |
| 10:11.05 | hyksos | g00se : objdump -t -T hello.so |
| 10:11.08 | MarkH_UK | and 5.0 won't work with the clients coee |
| 10:11.10 | MarkH_UK | code* |
| 10:11.27 | g00se | hyksos: Ta |
| 10:11.41 | MarkH_UK | apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 for example, still trying to install version 5.0 |
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| 10:13.24 | MarkH_UK | anyone?!?! |
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| 10:14.21 | daemo | I guess that firewrire should be configured as pointopoint, correct? |
| 10:14.22 | slammer | ok maybe someone can help me with a motherboard im trying to build a new system ground up just want eveything to work with linux |
| 10:14.46 | daemo | slammer: haven't you assembled it yet? |
| 10:15.07 | slammer | no i havent even bought it yet |
| 10:16.03 | slammer | i want very little hassle getting it up and running want to make the right choice up front |
| 10:16.05 | daemo | slammer: well..there are some hardware vendors which are unfriendly to linux, for the rest they will work |
| 10:16.25 | slammer | who is unfriendly |
| 10:16.34 | MarkH_UK | How can I get mysql-server-4.1 on Debian Etch |
| 10:16.35 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 10:16.50 | daemo | slammer: it depends from which hardware you will need on that PC |
| 10:16.52 | MarkH_UK | the regular / typical: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 10:16.56 | MarkH_UK | it tries to install 5.0 |
| 10:17.01 | MarkH_UK | and we can;t use 5.0 |
| 10:17.02 | daemo | slammer: I dont know exactly who.. |
| 10:17.15 | slammer | Asus M2N-E SLI will this motherboard work |
| 10:17.55 | daemo | it does not depend from the mother board but from peripherals |
| 10:18.12 | daemo | focus on modems, scanners, webcams etc. |
| 10:18.48 | slammer | ok i just didnt want to run into any problems with the motherboard gatta start there right |
| 10:19.27 | daemo | slammer: it doesn't look like you have experience at assembling other PCs.. :) |
| 10:19.38 | slammer | nope this is my first one |
| 10:19.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Generally speaking, motherboards tend to work very well |
| 10:19.45 | daemo | slammer: there are a few peripherals which give troubles, like the video card |
| 10:19.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | The problem lies in the sound cards and video cards |
| 10:20.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | And possibly Wi-Fi |
| 10:20.14 | daemo | if you get an integrated (cheap) video card you will not have problems with the audio |
| 10:20.22 | daemo | the same for audio |
| 10:20.34 | slammer | well look at the motherboard it has several things built in im just trying to make a good choice |
| 10:20.50 | daemo | First you should focus on what you need this PC to do |
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| 10:21.26 | daemo | slammer: if you have integrated audio/video (I dont think integrated video is still so common nowadays) you shouldnt have any issue |
| 10:21.42 | daemo | you most probably will end up with an AC97-flavour audio card |
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| 10:21.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Depends |
| 10:21.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Integrated video cards from Intel and AMD can still cause problems |
| 10:22.02 | slammer | ok i want to use it for making backups of my DVDs and music also want to play them over my home equipment |
| 10:22.36 | daemo | Dark_Apostrophe: I have a laptop and yes integrated stuff cause problems |
| 10:22.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | So do I |
| 10:22.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Integrated 8600GT |
| 10:23.08 | daemo | slammer: then you need a home theater computer? |
| 10:23.28 | MarkH_UK | anyone on the MySQL issue please? |
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| 10:23.33 | daemo | Dark_Apostrophe: intel 855GM here.. |
| 10:23.42 | slammer | ok so where do i start |
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| 10:24.11 | daemo | daemo: I wouldnt buy a laptop for multimedia purposes.. |
| 10:24.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | slammer: OK, first - what price class are you looking for? |
| 10:24.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | slammer: Something el-cheapo or high end stuff? |
| 10:24.55 | daemo | slammer: it's easy: google for "best video card", "best audio card" etc. and then narrow down to your economical possibilites :) |
| 10:24.58 | slammer | mid to high |
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| 10:25.07 | daemo | also buy some mags |
| 10:25.48 | daemo | slammer: I would enter into a computer shop and get some configurations from them |
| 10:25.56 | daemo | then go home and look how much they're selling it to you |
| 10:26.07 | daemo | on internet you will find the prices |
| 10:26.09 | daemo | of each piece |
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| 10:26.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | slammer: Okay, I can find a mobo and CPU for you |
| 10:26.49 | slammer | ok i can find the prices without a problem im just not sure what parts to buy |
| 10:27.07 | wols_ | daemo: if you buy hardware today, you can't get Ac97 audio anymore. and snd-hda-intel has TONS of problems under Linux |
| 10:27.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | slammer: MSI K9A2 Platinum |
| 10:27.11 | slammer | was there anything wrong with the 1 i posted |
| 10:27.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | slammer: That's the mobo |
| 10:27.22 | wols_ | of course some work very well, but some not at all |
| 10:27.28 | daemo | wols_: I didnt know |
| 10:27.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | slammer: CPU: AMD Athlon X2 6400+ Black Edition |
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| 10:27.46 | L0cKn | ops :S |
| 10:27.47 | daemo | wols_: it's 3 years since I last bought (or adviced somebody to buy) a computer |
| 10:28.07 | wols_ | MarkH_UK: there is no mysql 4.x in debian anymore |
| 10:28.13 | daemo | slammer: Black Edition sounds cool :) |
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| 10:28.24 | MarkH_UK | wols_ we need to support it for legacy apps |
| 10:28.28 | daemo | Dark_Apostrophe: ^ |
| 10:28.30 | MarkH_UK | Any way to do it? |
| 10:28.39 | wols_ | MarkH_UK: get it from sarge perhaps? |
| 10:28.45 | daemo | MarkH_UK: you might find the .deb somewhere |
| 10:28.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | daemo: That's their high-end CPU |
| 10:28.46 | MarkH_UK | wont that break Etch? |
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| 10:29.08 | daemo | are we really at 6.4 GhZ now? Wow... |
| 10:29.24 | daemo | I wonder if I can microwave an egg with such a CPU |
| 10:29.32 | wols_ | daemo: no. you must be out of ahrdware loop for MUCH longer than 3 years |
| 10:29.46 | MarkH_UK | wols_ any ideas? |
| 10:29.46 | daemo | wols_: why? . |
| 10:29.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | daemo: No, but with proper phase change cooling, you can probably overclock it to hat |
| 10:29.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | daemo: It's just the model name |
| 10:30.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | slammer: Here's the mobo I mentioned: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/8077/index.html |
| 10:30.18 | wols_ | cause AMD didn't designate their CPUs with MHz anymore far more than 3 years |
| 10:30.35 | daemo | wols_: I know that. |
| 10:30.36 | wols_ | daemo: no. you are lucky, vrey lucky if you reach 4GHz |
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| 10:30.56 | wols_ | Intel CPUs would go a bit higher, but not too much |
| 10:31.02 | daemo | wols_: 6400 is the comparable speed of an old-style CPU |
| 10:31.25 | wols_ | daemo: so you believe PR BS too? |
| 10:31.28 | daemo | wols_: I guess that intel cpus now have a similar labelling, or are they still labelling CPUs with the real speed? |
| 10:31.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: 6400+ Black Edition already has 3.2GHz |
| 10:31.37 | slammer | wow no price bet thats gonna be high |
| 10:31.38 | wols_ | similar labeling |
| 10:31.41 | daemo | wols_: I lack definitions for PR BS |
| 10:31.50 | MarkH_UK | wols_ assume you have no suggestions? |
| 10:31.53 | wols_ | slammer: what do you want to do with your PC, what budget do you have? |
| 10:31.57 | et | they are giving it labels that don't tell much ;) |
| 10:32.06 | daemo | wols_: ah, ok |
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| 10:32.10 | wols_ | MarkH_UK: I told you what to do, if you don't want to, your choice |
| 10:32.19 | MarkH_UK | you didnt tell me what to do at all |
| 10:32.22 | MarkH_UK | but nevermind |
| 10:32.28 | slammer | home theater mid to high end not the latest stuff |
| 10:32.31 | MarkH_UK | looking for a deb package not for Etch will SURELY break things?! |
| 10:32.34 | wols_ | 12:28 < wols_> MarkH_UK: get it from sarge perhaps? |
| 10:32.37 | daemo | is there any copper technology used in CPUs? |
| 10:32.39 | wols_ | MarkH_UK: so learn to read please |
| 10:32.42 | MarkH_UK | yes I saw that and i am saying.... |
| 10:32.43 | wols_ | daemo: yes |
| 10:32.44 | MarkH_UK | YEA YOU TOO |
| 10:32.47 | MarkH_UK | I SAID .... |
| 10:32.51 | MarkH_UK | WON'T THAT BREAK FOR ETCH? |
| 10:32.58 | MarkH_UK | you did _not_ reply. |
| 10:33.01 | wols_ | !ops please make MarkH_UK stop yelling |
| 10:33.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: please make MarkH_UK stop yelling |
| 10:33.02 | MarkH_UK | so you learn to"read" |
| 10:33.03 | MarkH_UK | thnx. |
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| 10:33.11 | daemo | wols_: good, I have been waiting for that. Who did it first? AMD or Intel? |
| 10:33.19 | wols_ | daemo: ibm |
| 10:33.47 | daemo | wols_: eh. for high-end CPUs? |
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| 10:34.11 | wols_ | daemo: google for "copper interconnect" and ask your questions in ##hardware. in #debian they are OT |
| 10:34.12 | henwork | having user nobody with root access is a sign of "ownage" ?X: |
| 10:34.13 | daemo | wols_: I mean, did ibm create them also for the home pcs market? |
| 10:34.26 | wols_ | henwork: explain a bit more |
| 10:34.42 | henwork | my nobody used is privileged as root |
| 10:34.50 | slammer | Wols: this is the motherboard i was thinking about getting Asus M2N-E SLI |
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| 10:35.08 | henwork | (found out when postfix didn't want to start) |
| 10:35.09 | wols_ | henwork: what's the line for " grep nobody /etc/passwd |
| 10:35.15 | daemo | wols_: ok, but you were here not in ##hardware _) |
| 10:35.27 | wols_ | slammer: that's not what I asked you. also: SLI is useless |
| 10:35.40 | wols_ | daemo: doesn't matter. your question is still OT here |
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| 10:36.09 | henwork | wols_ gotta hold on the server is rebooting :X |
| 10:36.27 | wols_ | henwork: it should be "nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 10:36.30 | daemo | wols_: some flexibility please |
| 10:36.31 | slammer | wols: home theatre mid to higher end i dont want the latest hardware but close to it |
| 10:36.51 | wols_ | daemo: please stop talking to me so I don't have to /ignore you OT blubber |
| 10:37.06 | daemo | wols_: fuck away |
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| 10:37.42 | wols_ | slammer: budgetg? |
| 10:38.17 | slammer | i have no idea |
| 10:38.19 | wols_ | henwork: if the "65534:65534" is different, or even 0:0, then you have reason to worry. a lot |
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| 10:39.07 | wols_ | slammer: what software will you run on this machine? |
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| 10:39.24 | wols_ | and what specialty hardware? e.g. TV cards or such |
| 10:39.43 | henwork | wols_ funny, grep gives me a seg fault |
| 10:39.49 | henwork | same as lots of files :S |
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| 10:40.11 | wols_ | henwork: use cat |
| 10:40.38 | henwork | yeah it has 0 gid |
| 10:40.48 | wols_ | I didn't ask gid, I asked uid |
| 10:40.55 | wols_ | but yes it's grounds for concern |
| 10:40.57 | henwork | oh its 65534 |
| 10:41.08 | slammer | wols: i am just starting to look at building this computer im trying to make the decisions now im not sure i would like to have a tv tuner a good video card and sound card im just starting with this idea |
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| 10:41.34 | jetscreamer | you don't want sound? |
| 10:41.44 | jetscreamer | you can always add a tuner |
| 10:41.45 | slammer | yes i do |
| 10:41.46 | wols_ | slammer: you won't really need a "good" soundcard for what you do imho. get a old SB Live for example |
| 10:41.50 | jetscreamer | happauge |
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| 10:42.13 | tomacco | sound cards havent really changed much in the last 4 years or so |
| 10:43.02 | wols_ | videocard: sam. for home theater you don't need anything special. the ahrdest will be to have a hdmi connector and being able to play HD DVDs. but this isn't supported under linux yet anyways so #debian is kinda the wrong channel. so maybe first think hard what software/OS you wanna run and when you know that and it happens to be debian, then you can maybe ask here. not before |
| 10:44.02 | henwork | ok something is seriously fucked |
| 10:44.09 | henwork | the net device isn't showing |
| 10:44.13 | slammer | i plan to run debian so if i give up HD tv then so be it |
| 10:44.16 | henwork | what can i do to check it out? |
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| 10:44.39 | wols_ | when grep doesn't work, then obviously some serious shit is going on. the question is is it malicious or simple computer software breakdown (e.g. a broken library) |
| 10:44.42 | Enverex | slammer, The best SC you can get for Linux afaik is an Audigy 2 |
| 10:44.51 | wols_ | tho the altered /etc/passwords is a big reason of worry |
| 10:45.12 | henwork | its a brand new server |
| 10:45.13 | wols_ | Enverex: what for? |
| 10:45.26 | wols_ | henwork: then reinstall? |
| 10:45.43 | wols_ | henwork: what does it serve and to whom? php anwhere? |
| 10:45.45 | slammer | what about a motherboard i dont know what to get |
| 10:45.58 | wols_ | slammer: can't answer, not enough data |
| 10:46.13 | wols_ | unless you know what software you want to run, no one can properly answer you |
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| 10:46.22 | henwork | its a backup server |
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| 10:46.25 | henwork | how ironic |
| 10:46.32 | Enverex | wols_, In general. (SNR, hardware voices, hardware soundbank, etc) and the driver seems to work very well. |
| 10:46.40 | slammer | debian etch is what i want to run |
| 10:46.55 | wols_ | Enverex: now why does a home theater use a "hardware soundbank"? |
| 10:47.01 | wols_ | playing midi files much? |
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| 10:47.26 | Element14 | what's the difference between tetex and texlive packages? |
| 10:47.28 | wols_ | slammer: etch by itself doesn't work well as a home theatre at all |
| 10:47.34 | wols_ | so you need more software than that |
| 10:47.35 | henwork | wols_ it doesnt have php though. you probably mean some remote file inclusion attack, right? |
| 10:47.38 | valdyn | hardware soundbank is so 90ies |
| 10:47.38 | Enverex | wols_, I was just listing features I've found useful. And yes, it means you don't need to have things like Timidity running resident. |
| 10:47.53 | valdyn | or 80ies? |
| 10:48.10 | henwork | its it 80's ? |
| 10:48.11 | wols_ | henwork: anything remote. php is just a prime suspect as always when something is rooted. however a backup server is never directly on the interweb... |
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| 10:48.43 | henwork | yeah the only web interface it has is a backuppc manage page |
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| 10:49.08 | wols_ | henwork: I mean it never has a public IP or is accessible fromt he internet. right? |
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| 10:49.31 | rezza | dpkg -L postgresql lists /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.2, but when I apt-get install postgresql-8.2, the init script isn't appearing. What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:49.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching postgresql lists /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.2, but when I apt-get install postgresql-8.2, the init script isn't appearing. What am I doing wrong |
| 10:49.47 | rezza | ugh |
| 10:50.01 | wols_ | rezza: confmiss? |
| 10:50.02 | rezza | when I run dpkg -L postgresql-8.2, it lists /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.2, but when I apt-get install postgresql-8.2, the init script isn't appearing. What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:50.08 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 10:50.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 10:50.33 | rezza | wols_: thanks, didn't know about that |
| 10:50.33 | henwork | wols_ it is accessible from the internet. it backsup remotly |
| 10:50.39 | rezza | valdyn: ty |
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| 10:51.09 | wols_ | henwork: so php is running? any other open ports? mysql perhaps? |
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| 10:51.38 | xst | For some reason, NTP is not updating the time regularly even though the time is 3 minutes ahead of real time. What can I do to make NTP regularly adjust the time? |
| 10:51.39 | henwork | no |
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| 10:51.50 | henwork | the only service running is backuppc and postfix |
| 10:51.56 | henwork | services |
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| 10:52.13 | wols_ | you said you have a ewbpage on it? |
| 10:52.15 | henwork | and it has the php executable but no php website i think (unless the backuppc is php) |
| 10:52.24 | henwork | yeah the backuppc interface |
| 10:53.03 | Ciaran_H | Hmm. I'm surprised nobody asked MarkH_UK when he was around about *why* he needed MySQL 4.x. He said his clients didn't support it, but I wonder if just using dpkg-reconfigure and answering yes to the question about supporting logins from 4.x clients would have done the trick... |
| 10:53.39 | wols_ | henwork: dpkg -l |grep php |
| 10:54.26 | henwork | can u help my fix the network interface first so i wont have to go back and forth? :P |
| 10:54.37 | henwork | btw theres no grep :D |
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| 10:55.04 | wols_ | henwork: ifconfig -a |
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| 10:56.46 | henwork | has no ip |
| 10:56.49 | henwork | whats sit? |
| 10:57.12 | henwork | i have no eth btw |
| 10:57.18 | wols_ | ipv6 or si. so the interface exists but no IP? what is your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:57.32 | wols_ | ok, what NIC is it? |
| 10:57.45 | henwork | what hardware you mean? |
| 10:57.54 | wols_ | yes |
| 10:58.56 | henwork | /etc/network/interfaces has configs for eth0 |
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| 10:59.05 | henwork | and i don't know what card it is :S |
| 10:59.09 | wols_ | lspci |
| 11:00.02 | henwork | marvell technologies ltd. unknown device |
| 11:00.34 | henwork | do i need to reinstall it? |
| 11:00.50 | wols_ | you need to load the proper driver |
| 11:01.03 | wols_ | try modprobe tg3 |
| 11:01.19 | SpeedyG | hm, how can it be that there's only 1GB of memory recognised by debian, even tho there's 2GB in my box? |
| 11:01.25 | wols_ | tho "update-pciids" would be nice too, but that only works when you have network access |
| 11:01.40 | wols_ | unless you wget the file manually and copy it over via sneakernet |
| 11:01.53 | wols_ | SpeedyG: uname -r |
| 11:01.54 | henwork | lol sneakernet |
| 11:01.56 | wols_ | SpeedyG: what kernel? |
| 11:02.00 | SpeedyG | 2.6.18 |
| 11:02.06 | SpeedyG | custom compiled tho, for my tv-tunercard |
| 11:02.10 | wols_ | d'oh. uname -a |
| 11:02.12 | henwork | wols_ what file do i need to get? |
| 11:02.18 | wols_ | compiled for what cpu? |
| 11:02.18 | henwork | and modprobe tg3 outputs nothing |
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| 11:02.34 | wols_ | henwork: that it outputs nothing is good. check ifconfig -a again |
| 11:02.46 | SpeedyG | I took the config from the original debian kernel which was a 2.6.18-486 |
| 11:02.47 | henwork | already did its still not there |
| 11:02.48 | SpeedyG | euh |
| 11:02.53 | SpeedyG | was it? |
| 11:02.56 | wols_ | SpeedyG: that's your problem |
| 11:03.09 | wols_ | get a -i686 debian kernel. or whatever cpu you have |
| 11:03.11 | SpeedyG | it was |
| 11:03.13 | SpeedyG | ok |
| 11:03.27 | SpeedyG | which would mean recompile with correct cpu set I guess? :) |
| 11:03.38 | wols_ | no it would mean more than that |
| 11:03.47 | wols_ | why did you recompile your kernel? |
| 11:03.51 | Enverex | wols_, Any ideas when .23 is likely to get into Sid? |
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| 11:04.03 | wols_ | !tell Enverex about wir |
| 11:04.06 | SpeedyG | because my tv-tuner card needs some kernel-tweaks to give decent quality |
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| 11:04.23 | wols_ | then start with a proper source next time |
| 11:04.32 | wols_ | what cpu do you have? |
| 11:04.36 | SpeedyG | amd2000+ |
| 11:04.41 | wols_ | then use the k7 one |
| 11:05.08 | SpeedyG | hm |
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| 11:05.16 | SpeedyG | I guess my systemdate has gone berserk too :/ |
| 11:05.28 | SpeedyG | telling me system hasnt been checked for 40000+ days |
| 11:05.41 | henwork | wols_ having unknown device means the drivers aren't loaded. right? but if it already worked, that means the drivers are there |
| 11:05.42 | henwork | right? |
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| 11:05.52 | henwork | where am i likely find them? |
| 11:06.03 | wols_ | henwork: no it doesn't. it means the pciid datafile doesn't know about your device |
| 11:06.16 | wols_ | I asked you something to do. can't you do it? |
| 11:06.26 | henwork | how do i teach it about it? :p |
| 11:06.40 | Enverex | So, rather than Wol, anyone here actually helpful? heh. wols_ it's normally easy to guess when you've seen what's going on with things. |
| 11:06.47 | wols_ | drivers are compiled into your kernel and reside in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 11:07.20 | wols_ | Enverex: no one can answer you your question except the debian kernel team, probably not even them. so good luck |
| 11:08.16 | wols_ | henwork: less /usr/bin/update-pciids |
| 11:08.17 | SpeedyG | wols_: for the custom kernel I installed linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 11:08.24 | wols_ | first few lines should make it clear |
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| 11:08.59 | SlimG | How can I create a backup/dump from a nonrunning mysql 5.0 server (at a external drive) ? |
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| 11:10.46 | SpeedyG | SlimG: copy /var/lib/mysql/* to it ;) |
| 11:10.58 | SpeedyG | that would copy everything iirc |
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| 11:12.45 | wols_ | SpeedyG: apt-get source the k7 kernel |
| 11:15.18 | Sid | elow |
| 11:17.09 | valdyn | henwork: "Unknown device" has nothing at all to do with drivers |
| 11:17.35 | henwork | what does it have to do with then? |
| 11:17.36 | SpeedyG | wols_: only source I can find is that one, in the regular apt sources I cant find a k7 source-package |
| 11:17.41 | henwork | btw even rm gives me a seg fault |
| 11:17.42 | henwork | wth? |
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| 11:18.21 | valdyn | henwork: lspci maps names to pci device ids, it's completely independent of kernel / drivers |
| 11:18.38 | henwork | oh so its just a list? |
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| 11:18.43 | wols_ | SpeedyG: then you haven't searched hard enough. there is a source for it |
| 11:18.46 | valdyn | henwork: right |
| 11:18.51 | henwork | so how can i check whats the problem with it? |
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| 11:19.03 | valdyn | henwork: publically accessible and publically maintained list |
| 11:19.13 | CactusMD | anyone ever have apt-get break on them? if i try to apt-get <anything> i get the following error http://www.pastebin.ca/737357 |
| 11:19.25 | wols_ | henwork: is there now a eth0 or not? have you looked again? |
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| 11:19.46 | henwork | wols_: no there isn't, as i told you before and you might have missed :p |
| 11:19.58 | valdyn | CactusMD: you installed non-debian software that broken your dbus |
| 11:20.34 | CactusMD | dbus is broken for good? |
| 11:20.43 | wols_ | henwork: you ran that before you modprobed tg3 so you haven't checked. at least you don#t say anything about it in my log |
| 11:20.46 | wols_ | go and check |
| 11:20.49 | valdyn | CactusMD: uninstall that broken software properly |
| 11:20.51 | SpeedyG | wols_: all I get when I do apt-cache seach k7, is kernel images`, no sources |
| 11:20.55 | wols_ | CactusMD: you run sid. you decide |
| 11:20.57 | valdyn | CactusMD: or edit dbus configuration manually |
| 11:21.06 | wols_ | SpeedyG: that's not what I told you to do |
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| 11:21.10 | henwork | wols_: when i wrote already did i meant after modprobe |
| 11:21.10 | valdyn | oh, custom software _and_ sid, neat |
| 11:21.12 | henwork | and to be sure |
| 11:21.15 | henwork | i did it again :p |
| 11:21.18 | henwork | and still no eth0 |
| 11:21.49 | henwork | what could cause rm / grep to fail? faulty libc6? |
| 11:21.55 | wols_ | yes |
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| 11:22.03 | wols_ | any lib that's faulty and those programs deopend on |
| 11:22.16 | henwork | yeah i mean what does the system depend on |
| 11:22.17 | wols_ | it can't be libc6 since things like modprobe and lcpsi work |
| 11:22.23 | henwork | oh |
| 11:22.33 | valdyn | henwork: you run 'ldd /bin/rm' and see |
| 11:22.36 | wols_ | maybe check your filesystem |
| 11:22.39 | henwork | since no one touches the server it is likely hacked the crap out of? :X |
| 11:22.41 | wols_ | could have been corrupted |
| 11:22.57 | CactusMD | valdyn: why did it only break after my most recent upgrade? |
| 11:22.59 | wols_ | the nobody gid of 0 strongly points to a rootkit |
| 11:23.09 | wols_ | CactusMD: you run sid. why do you even ask? |
| 11:23.15 | CactusMD | sigh |
| 11:23.24 | valdyn | CactusMD: maybe the dbus configuration in sid is broken without you installing custom software |
| 11:23.37 | SpeedyG | wols_: sorry, I misunderstood |
| 11:23.42 | valdyn | CactusMD: its sid.. you deal with it, at least grep thru dbus configuration by yourself |
| 11:23.57 | valdyn | cd /etc/dbus-1/ |
| 11:23.57 | valdyn | ls |
| 11:23.58 | wols_ | SpeedyG: found it now? |
| 11:24.01 | SpeedyG | wols_: would it be sufficient to copy the .config file from the old 486 kernel? or would that be a dumb thing to do? |
| 11:24.04 | SpeedyG | yeah |
| 11:24.13 | wols_ | SpeedyG: that would be very stupid |
| 11:24.19 | henwork | wols_: since lspci / grep / rm depends on the same libs that aswell points to a rootkit. am i right? |
| 11:24.23 | wols_ | cause then you still had a 1GB kernel |
| 11:24.29 | wols_ | henwork: yes |
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| 11:24.40 | wols_ | henwork: run lsmod |
| 11:24.47 | valdyn | henwork: just to a broken library, primarily |
| 11:25.04 | wols_ | valdyn: with a different gid in /etc/passwd for nobody? |
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| 11:25.12 | valdyn | wols_: ops |
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| 11:26.03 | henwork | valdyn: but the libs are the same when i works and when it doesn't |
| 11:26.24 | wols_ | does lsmod work? |
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| 11:26.34 | henwork | yeah |
| 11:26.41 | wols_ | bummer :) |
| 11:26.44 | henwork | not that big on linux, what would be suspicious? |
| 11:26.46 | henwork | why? lol |
| 11:26.59 | wols_ | cause rootkits usually load adidtional kernel modules |
| 11:27.08 | wols_ | so they have to hide those modules from view when running lsmod |
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| 11:27.32 | wols_ | for shits and giggle run chkrootkit if you can |
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| 11:28.02 | henwork | shits and giggle? btw chkrootkit is kinda weak imho |
| 11:28.16 | wols_ | it is, but better than nothing |
| 11:28.33 | wols_ | and you can clearly see that the rootkit you have doesn't work very well (if you have one) |
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| 11:28.51 | CactusMD | valdyn: can you point me to a manual or something |
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| 11:29.27 | valdyn | CactusMD: google, check the bts, /usr/share/doc/dbus-1-doc/ |
| 11:29.31 | henwork | wols_ yeah lol |
| 11:29.42 | valdyn | !bts |
| 11:29.42 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:29.59 | henwork | btw how do i access the cdrom? do i have to mount it to a dir? |
| 11:30.17 | valdyn | henwork: depends |
| 11:30.24 | henwork | on what? :p |
| 11:30.27 | valdyn | henwork: gnome installed? |
| 11:30.40 | henwork | no |
| 11:30.43 | valdyn | henwork: there's a few automounters |
| 11:30.50 | wols_ | henwork: mount /media/cdrom/ |
| 11:30.58 | valdyn | henwork: so if this is not a desktop you probably have to mount it manually indeed |
| 11:31.03 | henwork | hmm and a cd onkey? |
| 11:31.13 | wols_ | onkey? |
| 11:31.16 | henwork | on key |
| 11:31.24 | wols_ | what do you mean? |
| 11:31.26 | henwork | that usb drive thingie :p |
| 11:31.33 | wols_ | same |
| 11:31.42 | wols_ | you need to mount it manually, but type even more |
| 11:31.42 | henwork | what would it be likely called/ |
| 11:31.47 | valdyn | henwork: or use the 'ivman' package |
| 11:31.49 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.55 | wols_ | where X is a letter |
| 11:32.02 | henwork | ok |
| 11:32.04 | wols_ | check dmesg after you plug it in and you see what |
| 11:32.09 | henwork | kewl thanks |
| 11:32.21 | valdyn | not /dev/scd1 ? |
| 11:32.32 | wols_ | valdyn: not a usb flash stick |
| 11:32.40 | henwork | DAMN IT i dont have gcc |
| 11:32.43 | wols_ | unles something big changed recently |
| 11:32.57 | wols_ | !b-e henwork |
| 11:32.57 | dpkg | henwork: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 11:33.05 | valdyn | henwork: if you really are rooted, what are you bothering to do anything but a reinstall? |
| 11:33.14 | henwork | yeah but i don't have a network there |
| 11:33.15 | henwork | remember? |
| 11:33.30 | henwork | valdyn im trying to run chkrootkit there |
| 11:33.35 | henwork | to see if i find anything |
| 11:33.52 | wols_ | henwork: remove the system harddisk put it in another PC and examine it there |
| 11:33.53 | YGingras_ | I typed `crontab -r` by mistake. Is there a way to recover my contrab? |
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| 11:33.58 | wols_ | ie. don't boot from it of course |
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| 11:34.25 | valdyn | YGingras_: restore from backup |
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| 11:34.27 | henwork | hmm its a raid array |
| 11:34.32 | valdyn | YGingras_: did you really have a user crontab? |
| 11:34.33 | henwork | i hope i wont fuss with it too much |
| 11:34.40 | valdyn | YGingras_: i mean beyond /etc/crontab ? |
| 11:34.51 | henwork | pluging it on a windows machine any good? cause i dunno of any tool to find linux rootkits on windows |
| 11:34.53 | henwork | maybe clamAV? |
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| 11:36.00 | Skaag | what package do I need in Etch to be able to mount an nfs share besides nfs-common? |
| 11:36.19 | YGingras_ | valdyn: I did... : \ |
| 11:36.36 | YGingras_ | valdyn: it was all handcrafted with love |
| 11:37.04 | wols_ | Skaag: nfs client? |
| 11:37.33 | Skaag | wols_: i searched for that... nothing relevant comes up that is not already installed |
| 11:37.44 | YGingras_ | and this is on my webhost, so I backed up the served content but I didn't think it was necessary to backup the rest. I stand corrected |
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| 11:38.08 | Skaag | I get this: mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs' |
| 11:38.21 | valdyn | Skaag: oh , a custom kernel? |
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| 11:39.00 | Skaag | no, Etch 4.0 |
| 11:39.16 | Skaag | Linux xen2b 2.6.19-4-server #2 SMP Thu Apr 5 06:07:34 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:39.34 | valdyn | Skaag: that's hardly a debian kernel |
| 11:39.40 | valdyn | Skaag: 'modprobe nfs' |
| 11:39.56 | Skaag | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.19-4-server/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 11:40.06 | Skaag | argh... Xen was supposed to install a Debian 4.0 Etch system |
| 11:40.07 | valdyn | Skaag: ok, 'depmod -a' |
| 11:40.25 | valdyn | Skaag: then after that try again |
| 11:40.32 | Skaag | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.19-4-server/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 11:40.36 | Skaag | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2007-09-30 22:19 2.6.20-15-generic |
| 11:40.45 | Skaag | this is the only modules directory I have in /lib/modules |
| 11:40.46 | wols_ | Skaag: grep CONFIG_NFS_FS /boot/config-2.6.19-4 |
| 11:40.47 | Skaag | strange |
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| 11:40.58 | wols_ | Skaag: grep CONFIG_NFS_FS /boot/config-2.6.19-4-server rather |
| 11:41.11 | valdyn | Skaag: so you are running a completely monolithic kernel or one that was removed since you booted |
| 11:41.45 | Skaag | strange |
| 11:41.56 | Skaag | this is a default Xen install of a Debian 4.0 image |
| 11:42.05 | valdyn | hardly |
| 11:42.08 | Skaag | I will try to install another kernel now |
| 11:42.17 | wols_ | Skaag: the only place you can get debian from is debian.org. this didn't come from there |
| 11:42.28 | Skaag | what's the correct latest debian kernel package name? |
| 11:42.40 | Skaag | wols_: it debootstrapped it from debian.org |
| 11:42.43 | stew | there are lots of places to get debian from that aren't debian.org |
| 11:42.46 | Skaag | I swear |
| 11:42.53 | valdyn | Skaag: nonsense |
| 11:42.57 | Skaag | I set the URL myself!! |
| 11:42.58 | stew | Skaag: 2.6.18-5 |
| 11:42.58 | valdyn | Skaag: that kernel is not from debian |
| 11:42.59 | Skaag | ;-) |
| 11:43.05 | Skaag | yes I know |
| 11:43.11 | valdyn | Skaag: and debootstrap doesn't install a kernel anyway |
| 11:43.13 | Skaag | that must be some Xen trickery |
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| 11:45.37 | elelel | Hi, got a question about the netinst-images. I heard they don't support wlan at all. Is dsl via pppoe supported or are they ethernet-only? |
| 11:45.52 | wols_ | pppoe is supported |
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| 11:46.16 | wols_ | the problem with the WLAN is the firmware mainly. that debian can't ship and WLAN without firmware: useless pirce of sand |
| 11:46.39 | wols_ | it should get bette witht he new wlan stack in .23 and beyond |
| 11:46.52 | stew | elelel: wlan works for chipsets that run on free drivers not needing firmware |
| 11:47.06 | stew | wols_: is it? its not like debian is about to start shipping the non-free firmware |
| 11:47.20 | cast|lir | i thought deb did? |
| 11:47.33 | wols_ | well some drives like ralink weren't included before even when they have GPLed drivers incl. firmware iirc |
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| 11:47.56 | wols_ | the only ones currently in the mainline kernel are the really old ones like prism |
| 11:48.09 | Skaag | I wonder if I can use the regular linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 or if I need linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-686, I asked in #xen, waiting for an answer (but if someone here knows please let me know ;-)) |
| 11:48.10 | stew | which don't require firmware at runtime |
| 11:48.49 | stew | cast|lir: debian distributes the non-free firmware but doesn't include it in debian proper, so it doesn't end up on any of the installation CDs |
| 11:48.54 | valdyn | ralink drivers are just to messy for mainline, which is why they are being rewritten |
| 11:49.08 | wols_ | valdyn: they are supposed to go in in .24 |
| 11:49.16 | valdyn | wols_: the rewritten ones |
| 11:49.21 | cast|lir | so what was all the crap about binary blobs in the etch kernel? |
| 11:49.27 | wols_ | yes. but the important part is they get in |
| 11:49.32 | valdyn | right |
| 11:49.37 | elelel | Hmm, ... I got ipw2200 which requires firmware. Guess I'll have to set up a wired connection. |
| 11:49.56 | wols_ | cast|lir: that was mainly about things like scsi controllers IIRC |
| 11:50.00 | valdyn | elelel: or install debian from the 1st cdrom, not netinstall |
| 11:50.33 | stew | the problem is that most wlan radios these days is that they are basically software radios, so as soon as you get the source to the loadable firmware, you can make them do all kinds of stuff that you shouldn't, like make them operate out of band, and become jamming devices, etc, which means this problem of non-free firmware is here to stay |
| 11:51.22 | elelel | Can't do that. The full cdrom images don't seem to support sata raid |
| 11:51.53 | wols_ | elelel: what raid controller? |
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| 11:52.24 | wols_ | and netinst and full CDs use the same kernel IIRC |
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| 11:52.48 | stew | i guess the question then is probably whether or not they have dmraid |
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| 11:53.37 | elelel | VIA VT6421, crappy software raid that works only with damraid. It sais there is experimental support for dmraid in the daily netinst images. |
| 11:54.24 | stew | elelel: do you have data on your arrays that you need to keep? or will you be wiping it anyway? |
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| 11:59.04 | elelel | I intend to keep my home and I don't want to setup a md raid so I guess there's no way around dmraid. |
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| 12:03.20 | CAiRO- | can i somehow define a bash function that gets arguments like xyz* not expanded? ie i need to * as input |
| 12:05.51 | stew | CAiRO-: any bash function can, you just need to make sure the * does't get expanded when you call the function (by calling it as "myfunction xyz\*" or "myfunction 'xyz*'" |
| 12:05.52 | RichiH | is there any good XML browser/editor? KDE/QT or vim prefered |
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| 12:07.11 | CAiRO- | stew: yes, but i want to use a function as ls replacement and it would be bad if i couldn't use * like with the normal ls and if i had to escape it each time |
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| 12:08.15 | stew | CAiRO-: then you don't want to accept *, you want to accept a list of arguments the way ls does, you can refer to all of the arguments passed to the function as $@ |
| 12:08.40 | Knight_Lord | I'm trying to use xft fonts in urxvt with no luck. I tried urxvt -fn 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono' and I got urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. |
| 12:08.54 | Knight_Lord | fc-list shows Bitstream Vera Sans Mono |
| 12:09.00 | CAiRO- | stew: that's what i have right now, but it then has problems with filenames with spaces that match xyz* |
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| 12:09.38 | stew | CAiRO-: ask #bash |
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| 12:11.48 | Downix | ok, this is perplexing me. Installed a new kernel, ran Silo, but it still keeps grabbing the old kernel |
| 12:12.23 | Downix | and keeps trying to run X when I set the runlevel to 3 (as X isn't running right) |
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| 12:14.14 | stew | Downix: unless you have specifically done something to make them different, runlevel 3 should behave identically to the default runlevel 2 |
| 12:14.33 | Downix | I deleted X |
| 12:14.57 | Downix | no point on a system which is, once it's set up, never going to have a monitor again |
| 12:14.58 | stew | Downix: if X isn't installed it should make no difference if it tries to run X |
| 12:15.09 | stew | Downix: but /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:15.14 | Downix | stew: tell that to the system. I now have a blank screen and it doesn't do anything. |
| 12:15.29 | Downix | hmm |
| 12:15.32 | Downix | let me try ssh'ing it |
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| 12:17.10 | stew | Downix: how did you delete X ? |
| 12:17.27 | Downix | stew: aptitutde |
| 12:17.36 | stew | Downix: be more specific |
| 12:17.47 | Downix | apttitude remove x-window-system |
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| 12:18.01 | wols_ | that's a metapackage |
| 12:18.05 | wols_ | won't unisntall anything |
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| 12:18.22 | Downix | oh geesh |
| 12:18.30 | stew | it might uninstall all of x, might not, it depends on what dependencies of x-window-system are marked as auto-installed |
| 12:18.31 | Downix | so it's still running X which doesn't work |
| 12:18.56 | Speckal | morning all. I see there is an update for etch-stable this morning. The changelog for the update is empty. Is there a way I can tell what has changed between linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 etch3 and etch4? |
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| 12:19.04 | Downix | at this point I'm tempted to blow away the whole OS and reinstall |
| 12:19.36 | stew | Speckal: etch3? |
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| 12:19.53 | stew | Speckal: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1381 |
| 12:20.03 | Speckal | stew: do dpkg --list | grep linux-image and check out the second column that tells the package name |
| 12:20.30 | chantanito | hi |
| 12:20.41 | Speckal | stew: how did you find that link? |
| 12:20.52 | stew | Speckal: http://security.debian.org |
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| 12:21.18 | chantanito | does anybody knows how to see in the console every process and its child processes? |
| 12:21.23 | chantanito | any suggestion? |
| 12:21.28 | Speckal | ah. because all updates to stable are security patches, it will be listed on the debian security site. |
| 12:21.30 | stew | Speckal: you might consider subscribing to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 12:21.32 | wols_ | chantanito: pstree |
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| 12:21.50 | Speckal | thanks, stew :) |
| 12:22.14 | chantanito | wols_: many thanks.... i though i was something like ps -ef |
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| 12:22.56 | stew | chantanito: ps -efH ? |
| 12:23.17 | stew | chantanito: or --forest |
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| 12:23.36 | chantanito | stew: thanks! |
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| 12:28.53 | bu | hi, how can i check my hardware on debian? |
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| 12:29.18 | wols_ | !hardware |
| 12:29.18 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 12:29.30 | wols_ | !lshw |
| 12:29.47 | wols_ | bu: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 12:30.09 | bu | check what processor, how many ram, hdds do i have |
| 12:30.18 | bu | etc |
| 12:30.26 | wols_ | cat /proc/cpuinfo ls -l /proc/kcore |
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| 12:31.17 | stew | bu: fdisk -l ; cat /proc/meminfo ; lspci ; dmidecode |
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| 12:31.46 | wols_ | bu: install lshw |
| 12:32.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, when i have an file thats owned by www-data in the group www-data, and i want to give user henk who is in his own group henk (why does useradd make an own group for every user? is this right?) read and write right, how would i do that? |
| 12:33.14 | et | acls |
| 12:33.15 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: is the file group writable by www-data too? |
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| 12:33.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols_, no |
| 12:34.14 | wols_ | I'd probably make it owned by henk and make it world readable |
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| 12:34.26 | wols_ | any specal reason www-data would need to write to it? |
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| 12:34.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols_, yes its like an shared file betwean a program on teh server and the website |
| 12:35.09 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: does the webserver actually need to alter the file? or just read it? |
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| 12:35.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | For this to work, hellaworld/completed.xml must be writable by both the |
| 12:35.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | user that HellaNZB is running as, and the user that HellaWorld is running |
| 12:35.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | as. |
| 12:36.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | damn irc :-/ |
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| 12:36.25 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: so add both users to a group, make the file owned by that group, and make the file chmod 664 |
| 12:37.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok thx stew |
| 12:38.53 | Downix | Ok, I checked, gdm is not installed, but it keeps trying to load X upon boot |
| 12:38.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | btw, why does adduser make an new group for every user that is added? |
| 12:39.05 | Z1mmY | if i got a port blocked, and im using the localhost? where would i add the port to make it let 8029 be used |
| 12:39.08 | Downix | and my usual trick of editing the init file isn't working |
| 12:39.32 | stew | Downix: then maybe it is kdm or xdm or wdm or slim |
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| 12:40.47 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: a user has to be part of SOME group. so if you don't tell it which group to add the new user to, the safest thing to do is to create a group which definately doesn't give the user any added privileges |
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| 12:41.02 | stew | Z1mmY: how did you block the port? |
| 12:41.03 | Downix | a ha, xdm! |
| 12:41.08 | Downix | tyvm! |
| 12:41.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, ok so normaly i should add the user to the group users or where? |
| 12:41.34 | Z1mmY | i didnt, but the port is blocked |
| 12:41.39 | stew | Z1mmY: what is blocking it? |
| 12:41.41 | Z1mmY | connection refused |
| 12:41.47 | Z1mmY | to port 8029 |
| 12:41.50 | stew | Z1mmY: is something listening to that port? |
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| 12:42.11 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: depends? |
| 12:42.17 | Z1mmY | unreal |
| 12:42.43 | stew | Z1mmY: how did you check that unreal was listening to that port? |
| 12:42.54 | Z1mmY | its in .conf |
| 12:43.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, ? i add an regular user like my dad where should i put it, iin witch group? |
| 12:43.24 | stew | Z1mmY: what does "netstat -pant | grep 8029" return? |
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| 12:43.54 | Z1mmY | nothing |
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| 12:44.29 | wols_ | Z1mmY: then config your unreal properly.nothing listens at this port |
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| 12:44.55 | stew | Z1mmY: then it isn't listening to the port |
| 12:45.07 | Turicas | hello. i want to install debian testing in a PC that doesn't have internet access. where i can find an ISO to burn a CD with lenny installer? |
| 12:45.23 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: to his own group, and probably also audio video cdrom floppy plugdev |
| 12:45.49 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: when he creates file, who should be the group owner? |
| 12:45.57 | wols_ | !tell Turicas about d-i |
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| 12:47.04 | chantanito | Turicas: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 12:47.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok stew, well one more question: there is an root user, but thats not an user you want to log in into gnome or ssh, but i need some sort of admin user who can read en delete files from other users, would it suffice to add that user to the root group or what is that group for? |
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| 12:48.11 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: why not use su or sudo? |
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| 12:49.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, cant su trough samba, the user is on a file server and im logged in by samba, so when an other user creates a file i want to be able to delete it |
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| 12:50.43 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: then you need to make the directory group writable by a group you are in. |
| 12:51.09 | stew | i don't know how we got from gnome/ssh to samba only |
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| 12:52.00 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: if you are participating in a group sharing files, you might want to make sure all the users are using a usask of 002 instead of 022 |
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| 12:52.56 | debian | hello |
| 12:52.57 | Turicas | wols_, chantanito, thanks |
| 12:53.14 | debian | I need debian counter strike source server |
| 12:53.23 | debian | why woont it work= |
| 12:53.25 | Downix | Ok, I can't boot into the new kernel, says the kernel is too big. But if I try to make bzImage "make *** No Rule to make target "bzImage". Stop. |
| 12:53.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, that would do the trick for the shared part, but is there no way of using groups to create some sort of admin? |
| 12:53.47 | SpeedyG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:55.16 | aterra | Hey, on my computer I have to identical USB harddrives(same usb dev prod id's), but on each reboot it is random which one of them apears as sdb and which one that apears as sdc, which makes it a real pain to create a consistent fstab file. Any ideas for a solution? |
| 12:55.21 | debian | how can i get the nvidia driver? |
| 12:55.25 | cast|lir | / /, least in irssi :) |
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| 12:56.21 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: just as you don't want to login to gnome via root, you don't want to give a samba user admin rights |
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| 12:57.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, the loging in is no problem but running up the stairs to the server is the problem... |
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| 12:57.51 | debian | wjy wonm't anyone help me? |
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| 12:58.32 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: then use ssh + su or ssh + sudo |
| 12:58.37 | surrounder | debian: grow a little patience |
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| 12:58.58 | debian | But my problems are simple |
| 12:59.08 | surrounder | then google sure can tell you |
| 12:59.13 | sk4ter | Someone knows the system server xmail ? |
| 12:59.17 | debian | and the kubunt/ubuntu team is a lot more chatty |
| 12:59.39 | cast|lir | debian: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 12:59.40 | debian | how can I get rid of the bluetooth thing in gnome? |
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| 12:59.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok stew, well that would do it then, what was the group again witch the i should be in to do sudo? |
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| 13:00.13 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: you don't need to be in any particular group |
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| 13:00.20 | sk4ter | Someone knows the system server xmail ???????????????????? |
| 13:00.25 | Ronin | patience sk4ter |
| 13:00.34 | Ronin | sk4ter: what specifically do you need to know |
| 13:00.35 | stew | debian: iirc, right click on it and say "remove from panel"? |
| 13:00.55 | debian | but i want it off my hd |
| 13:00.59 | debian | and ram |
| 13:01.03 | sk4ter | As for the sending of email list for the xmail? |
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| 13:01.16 | stew | debian: aptitude remove gnome-bluetooth |
| 13:01.24 | sk4ter | How to stop sending email in the list of xmail? |
| 13:01.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, for the sudo command you should i tought becaus when i do sudo now it does completely nothing |
| 13:01.50 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: you don't have to be in any particular group to sudo, you have to set it up however |
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| 13:02.53 | debian | Can I send mail from my computer without a domain? |
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| 13:03.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok ill google that then, one thing i could not find on google: hopw to add an user to multiple groups with one command? |
| 13:03.27 | stew | debian: yes |
| 13:03.34 | sk4ter | Ronin ? |
| 13:03.47 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: man usermod |
| 13:04.05 | creole | any idea why X no more starts after boot? |
| 13:04.25 | stew | creole: not without more information |
| 13:04.36 | stew | creole: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 13:04.40 | debian | creole: have you installed a nvidia driver |
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| 13:04.49 | creole | stew: let me check |
| 13:05.02 | creole | debian: no |
| 13:05.22 | creole | stew: I use startx..I guess I should look into Xorg.0.log.old ? |
| 13:05.35 | stew | creole: no, Xorg.0.log |
| 13:05.48 | creole | stew: it's ok. X is not called after boot |
| 13:06.02 | creole | I have run startx, and I have the log of the current X session there |
| 13:06.25 | stew | creole: what is the error you get when you run "startx"? |
| 13:07.15 | creole | stew: none. The problem is that after debian boot no login manager is started |
| 13:07.15 | creole | once I had the GNOME login manager instead |
| 13:07.15 | stew | creole: so when you run startx, x works normally? |
| 13:07.24 | creole | stew: yes. |
| 13:07.34 | stew | creole: is gdm installed now? |
| 13:07.44 | creole | stew: let me check |
| 13:07.53 | sk4ter | caralho |
| 13:08.01 | creole | stew: it is |
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| 13:08.22 | creole | stew: I guess it's something related to default runlevel... |
| 13:08.30 | stew | creole: what happens if you run /etc/init.d/gdm restart? |
| 13:08.37 | creole | stew: but I am not really able to modify that here on debian |
| 13:08.41 | creole | stew: let me chck |
| 13:08.47 | stew | creole: modify what? |
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| 13:09.02 | stew | creole: in debian, by default, all runlevels 2-5 behave identically |
| 13:09.06 | creole | stew: programs run in the boot or default runlevel |
| 13:09.13 | sk4ter | How to stop sending email in the list of xmail? |
| 13:09.25 | creole | stew: when I run /etc/init.d/gdm restart I get no output |
| 13:09.39 | creole | this is strange.. |
| 13:09.59 | stew | creole: does /usr/sbin/gdm exist? |
| 13:09.59 | debian | How can I remove programs from init 3/5? |
| 13:10.09 | creole | stew: running /etc/init.d/gdm I also get no output.. |
| 13:10.35 | sk4ter | HELP-ME How to stop sending email in the list of xmail? |
| 13:10.44 | creole | stew: it does not |
| 13:10.53 | stew | debian: either use update-rc.d or renmae their S symlinks in /etc/rc{3,5}.d to K symlinks |
| 13:10.59 | creole | stew: maybe a reinstall will fix it? |
| 13:11.21 | stew | creole: yeah, if gdm is installed, something must have deleted the gdm binary, which is a little odd |
| 13:11.30 | stew | creole: how did you check that the gdm package was installed? |
| 13:11.36 | creole | stew: indeed it is.. |
| 13:12.05 | creole | stew: I tried to install it, and got that it was already installed along with some messages about packages needing to be updated |
| 13:12.19 | debian | Sk4ter: uninstall xmail |
| 13:12.28 | creole | stew: no wait, it is not installed |
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| 13:12.46 | creole | stew: how can I check what login manager was previously being run? |
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| 13:13.04 | debian | do ya have gdm or kdm? |
| 13:13.08 | debian | crole |
| 13:13.22 | stew | creole: did you already install gdm? if not you could check /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 13:13.26 | creole | debian: I have GNOME, so I suppose it was gdm |
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| 13:13.39 | creole | this is a default debian netinstall |
| 13:14.00 | creole | stew: /usr/bin/gdm |
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| 13:14.11 | creole | so I once had gdm! |
| 13:14.13 | debian | creole: then you start the computer, and clic where you select window manager, and then it is (previous) next to one of them |
| 13:14.14 | jebennett | Hello there, folks. Is there a way to make debian re-run that first run configuration stuff? I was setting it up for my mother last night and didn't realize I'd closed the window before it had finished, so she's getting errors. |
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| 13:14.18 | creole | I will install it now |
| 13:14.50 | creole | debian: when I start the computer I have got a login prompt |
| 13:14.52 | stew | jebennett: no (assuming etch aka stable or later) |
| 13:15.01 | jebennett | stew: Thank you. |
| 13:15.01 | debian | then start gdm |
| 13:15.21 | creole | stew: btw, gdm was not in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin neither |
| 13:15.21 | debian | you just press in console: gdm |
| 13:15.35 | creole | debian: ah, ok |
| 13:15.35 | stew | creole: really /usr/bin/gdm and not /usr/sbin/gdm? |
| 13:15.42 | stew | creole: i mean in default-display-manager? |
| 13:15.47 | creole | stew: yes |
| 13:15.52 | creole | yes |
| 13:15.54 | sk4ter | lol |
| 13:16.00 | creole | I installed it: Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm. |
| 13:16.10 | stew | gdm should really be in /usr/sbin not /usr/bin |
| 13:16.19 | creole | stew: it's there now |
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| 13:16.41 | creole | stew: do I have to update default-display-manager now? |
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| 13:17.18 | stew | wierd, mine says /usr/bin/gdm as well (even though that hasn't existed at least as far back as sarge) |
| 13:17.25 | stew | creole: no, you shoudln't have to |
| 13:17.42 | creole | stew: but it does not exist |
| 13:17.53 | stew | i know |
| 13:18.07 | creole | and you think it will work? |
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| 13:18.12 | stew | creole: yes |
| 13:18.28 | creole | stew: I think too. But..why? |
| 13:18.34 | creole | magic gdm |
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| 13:19.45 | stew | creole: becuase "DEBCONF_DAEMON=/usr/bin/gdm" in /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 13:19.56 | creole | stew: thanks for the help |
| 13:20.01 | creole | I am gonna try it wno |
| 13:20.06 | creole | *now |
| 13:20.15 | creole | mmh.. |
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| 13:23.00 | Downix | Ok, this new kernel is ticking me off |
| 13:23.08 | Downix | it loads it, then says it cannot find itself |
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| 13:28.41 | Downix | Egads, how small does the vmlinuz image have to be??? |
| 13:28.49 | Downix | I gzipped it, still too big |
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| 13:31.00 | stew | Downix: is there a reason you are building your own kernel instead of using a debian kernel? |
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| 13:31.23 | Downix | stew: the default debian kernel doesn't have the embedded SCSI controller included |
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| 13:31.39 | stew | Downix: which kernel module? |
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| 13:31.55 | Downix | stew: the 2.6.8 one (latest one available) |
| 13:31.57 | maxamillion | another successdul kernel upgrade for the mother distro ... |
| 13:32.02 | jelly-home | Downix: which arch? |
| 13:32.10 | stew | jelly-home: sparc32 |
| 13:32.12 | Downix | jelly-home, SPARC32 |
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| 13:32.15 | stew | Downix: which driver? |
| 13:32.23 | jelly-home | a known issue on debian-sparc list I think |
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| 13:32.41 | stony | hi |
| 13:33.03 | defjam01 | i have a question about ssh: i want to execute commands from a webinterface of server2 on server1 over an existing ssh-tunnel. how do i do that? (how do i build that kind of tunnel and send the commands from server2?) |
| 13:33.05 | stew | Downix: for the amount of time you have spent on this trying to get oldstable working, you probably should have just tried installing stable |
| 13:33.11 | Downix | stew:SPARC ESP100A, it's a loadable module, but as you need to boot the system before you can load it, the build is broken, since you can't boot the system to get the module you need to boot it. |
| 13:33.34 | jelly-home | Downix: i think there was a workaround, but long-term sparc32 is hosed because noone maintains the kernel |
| 13:33.35 | stony | can apt-get update do an authentication on ftp-server ? |
| 13:33.48 | Greyhound- | can debian be isntalled on 5.5.4.44386 ? |
| 13:33.50 | stony | i looked into the manpage but couldn't find anything |
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| 13:33.54 | Greyhound- | *vmware workstation |
| 13:33.55 | stew | Downix: that shoudn't be an issue since you would be creating an initrd |
| 13:33.57 | Downix | jelly-home, Indeed. |
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| 13:34.08 | stew | unless there is some issue with initrd and sparc that I don't know about |
| 13:34.15 | Downix | stew: it starts loading, then says it cannot find the HD to load the modules |
| 13:34.30 | stew | Downix: it shoudln't need the HD to load the modules |
| 13:34.36 | Downix | stew: seen it before when I forgot to add IDE drivers to my x86 |
| 13:34.53 | stew | Downix: this is the entire point of an initrd |
| 13:35.03 | stew | Downix: did you point silo at your initrd? |
| 13:35.04 | Downix | stew: well, that's how it is *shrug* Thankfully I still have 2.4.25 |
| 13:35.06 | Downix | yup |
| 13:35.19 | jelly-home | Downix: does the etch boot cd work? |
| 13:35.27 | Downix | jelly-home, what CD-ROM? |
| 13:35.46 | stew | Downix: any of the etch install cds |
| 13:35.48 | Downix | jelly-home, This machine doesn't have CD, it boots off of network or the HD |
| 13:36.08 | Turicas | why debian don't install by default openoffice? (using only CD-1) |
| 13:36.09 | Downix | I guess I could put a CD into another machine |
| 13:36.10 | jelly-home | Downix: well, does booting etch via netboot work better than sarge? |
| 13:36.22 | Downix | jelly-home, usually. |
| 13:36.39 | stew | Turicas: beucause debian by default tries to be as minimal as possible |
| 13:36.39 | Downix | Tempted just to pull the HD and make it a net-station |
| 13:36.49 | jelly-home | Downix: there's 2.6.18 in etch. you mentioned 2.6.8 above so I'm guessing you're still on sarge |
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| 13:37.15 | Downix | jelly-home, Right. |
| 13:37.17 | Turicas | stew, but openoffice is in CD1, right? |
| 13:37.31 | stew | Turicas: i don't know, /msg dpkg which cd |
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| 13:37.59 | stew | i'd be suprised if it was |
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| 13:40.33 | atula | hello. I'm missing something: iptables -A INPUT -d $j -p tcp multiport --dports 80,443 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:40.37 | atula | can someone help? |
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| 13:41.00 | cmanns | I made a file that runs killall -9 app app -f config, yet when the cronjob runs it doesnt bring up the app, just kills it. When I run the file manually it stops and starts the app, any ideas as to why? |
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| 13:41.46 | abrotman | atula: do you get an error ? |
| 13:41.54 | stew | atula: multiport is a match extension so you need -m |
| 13:42.00 | guillaume-fr | when I try to check an smtp service delivered by exim4 a telnet 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.X.X(eth0) 25 return exim invite but if I try with my isp default ip wich redirect on eth0 I had :"telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 13:42.03 | atula | ah. that's what I needed |
| 13:42.05 | atula | thanks, stew |
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| 13:43.18 | Downix | what's perplexing me is how it says the kernel is too big but the kernel it does boot is BIGGER? |
| 13:43.49 | Downix | old kernel (still works) is 2490735 while the new one is 2164720 |
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| 13:46.58 | atula | right now I'm just dropping the requests from IP coming in from China... but what I want is: block all requests except for 80, 443 and a few private ssh requests from source ip list |
| 13:47.03 | atula | how do I go about doing this? |
| 13:49.06 | stew | atula: set the chain's default policy to REJECT or DROP, then add rules to accept the traffic you want to accept. you'll want to add a rule accepting -m state related,established |
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| 13:49.57 | nico__ | hello |
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| 13:50.39 | atula | stew, thank you. I will look into that. |
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| 13:54.45 | nico__ | i've got a question about kernel customization: let's say i have to recompile the kernel (to enable extended files attributes in order to let beagle use them). what happens when the software/security updates find a newer version of the kernel to install? will the updater recognize that it's a newer version of the kernel i compiled? and most of all, will i have to recompile the new kernel once again to enable the extattr? |
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| 13:57.31 | abrotman | nico__: you're on your own |
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| 13:57.55 | stew | nico__: your kenrel should have a different packagename than any of the debian provided kernels, so apt would never see a newer version of your package until you provide one |
| 13:58.22 | JuJuBee | Howdy all. Just installed etch on my powerbook G3 333 with 320 MB Ram. working pretty well. |
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| 13:58.42 | nico__ | hmmkay :-( |
| 13:58.52 | stew | nico__: apt doesn't have any facility to realize that the linux-image-2.6.18-5-nico has anything to do with linux-image-2.6.18-5-686, since they are different package names |
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| 13:59.00 | JuJuBee | I have a question. I added my user to the sudo group. When I attempt to use sudo, it tells me I am not allowed. |
| 13:59.19 | abrotman | JuJuBee: did you re-login after adding yourself ? |
| 13:59.27 | JuJuBee | Yes, reboot the computer in fact. |
| 13:59.30 | nico__ | stew : what if i name my compiled kernel package "linux-image-2.6.18-5-686"? |
| 13:59.31 | stew | JuJuBee: you have to setup sudo "man sudoers" |
| 14:00.06 | stew | nico__: then your package could be replaced by a newer version of linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 from debian if debian provides one with a version number that is newer than the one you create |
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| 14:00.41 | nico__ | stew, ok so in other words the updates would work (?) |
| 14:00.52 | abrotman | but your customization would be gone |
| 14:00.58 | nico__ | yup :( |
| 14:01.17 | nico__ | i guess i'd have to recompile the kernel each time an update is installed :( |
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| 14:01.33 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:01.44 | ldrada | Hi. |
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| 14:02.27 | ldrada | I'm running a Dell PowerEdge 1950 server, trying to get a Debian+VMware setup running. |
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| 14:02.37 | JuJuBee | stew : thanks, Not used to having to do this. been using ubuntu for some time now. |
| 14:02.41 | ldrada | The problem is, Debian doesn't like the rtc device in the server, apparently. |
| 14:02.48 | nico__ | has any of you done this? i mean enabling extended attributes in the kernel to let beagle use them? |
| 14:03.21 | ldrada | I've tried googling for specific solutions, but nothing helps. Not even recompiling a custom linux kernel (2.6.23) with Hz set to 100 helps. |
| 14:03.31 | JuJuBee | stew: if I cannot use sudo, then how do i visudo? |
| 14:03.50 | nico__ | (maybe i should simply ask if anyone use beagle?) :P |
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| 14:04.23 | ldrada | JuJuBee: You su. |
| 14:04.48 | JuJuBee | Ah, in ubuntu that is disabled by default. THanks |
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| 14:05.23 | ldrada | np :) |
| 14:05.25 | stazich | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.45 | ldrada | stazich: Is the sata device and the drive detected correctly? |
| 14:06.13 | JuJuBee | So add %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL to visudo? |
| 14:06.29 | JuJuBee | or %adm |
| 14:06.30 | ldrada | eh, not unless you want everybody to be able to sudo. |
| 14:06.44 | stazich | no, i get this with dmesg: ata2: SATA link down |
| 14:06.47 | ldrada | Or whatevr, I've never used sudo. Try man, it has some examples :) |
| 14:06.58 | gmob | Hi all, anyone here know something about debian-cd? |
| 14:06.58 | ldrada | stazich: How about ata1 or ata0? |
| 14:07.12 | JuJuBee | Well, I am a member of the adm group so I guess I will use that one. |
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| 14:07.29 | ldrada | JuJuBee: Sounds liek a good idea. |
| 14:08.02 | JuJuBee | Works, thanks |
| 14:08.06 | stazich | ldrada, yeah, thats where the drive i need seems to be ata1 |
| 14:08.29 | ldrada | stazich: Then mount -t ntfs /dev/devicename /mnt |
| 14:09.10 | JuJuBee | My ex-mother-in-law asked me to get her a new laptop cause her old PowerBook would not display websites very well (using OS 9). So I did and I took the PowerBook and now it breathes again :) |
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| 14:09.46 | ldrada | JuJuBee: Nice. How good is it? |
| 14:09.52 | JuJuBee | What is the proper way for me to install kde now? |
| 14:10.00 | JuJuBee | It is running prety well |
| 14:10.18 | JuJuBee | I added 256MB to the soldered 64MB RAM and now it is not bad |
| 14:10.25 | ldrada | JuJuBee: apt-cache search kde, find the package you're looking for (Probably a meta-package for the entire kde), then apt-get install packagename. |
| 14:10.43 | JuJuBee | I am interested in the kde desktop. Want to check it out. |
| 14:10.53 | ldrada | BUT WAIT |
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| 14:11.12 | JuJuBee | ...waiting... |
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| 14:11.15 | ldrada | If you have 312-something megabytes RAM I suggest not putting KDE on your system. |
| 14:11.23 | JuJuBee | Y |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 14:11.26 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 14:11.44 | househead | kde will be fine on 312MB |
| 14:11.45 | ldrada | Try XFCE instead, it's less memory-intensive. |
| 14:12.00 | abrotman | kde should be fine |
| 14:12.04 | JuJuBee | Currently using xfce (i think) |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | and honestly .. it's his EX-mother-in-law |
| 14:12.14 | JuJuBee | That was the install CD i burned. |
| 14:12.15 | ldrada | JuJuBee: xfce > kde. |
| 14:12.15 | househead | this is linux guys, NOT windows |
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| 14:12.41 | abrotman | kde should be fine |
| 14:12.43 | kenjy | how can I unmount a device that don't wanna be unmounted? I did umount -f /point but it fails |
| 14:12.45 | JuJuBee | THe laptop is mine now, not my x-mother-in-laws |
| 14:12.54 | kenjy | I need to unmount it at any cost |
| 14:12.54 | ldrada | Think of it this way, KDE is to Linux what Windows Vista is to Windows 2000. |
| 14:13.03 | househead | kenjy : make sure you're not in the directory |
| 14:13.17 | kenjy | househead Im not in the directory |
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| 14:13.19 | abrotman | oh bullshit |
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| 14:13.36 | kenjy | househead umount: /mnt/vols/sdb2: device is busy |
| 14:13.36 | kenjy | umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 14:13.36 | househead | kenjy : make sure not other processes are using it |
| 14:13.39 | JuJuBee | Getting conflicting opinions... |
| 14:13.49 | kenjy | househead I need to unmount it because the hard disk fails |
| 14:14.14 | JuJuBee | What should I install to get KDE? |
| 14:14.32 | ldrada | JuJuBee: I already told you to do an "apt-cache search kde" |
| 14:14.42 | Ronin | JuJuBee: read what dkpg said about kde |
| 14:14.51 | ldrada | !install kde |
| 14:14.51 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 14:14.56 | househead | kenjy : there must be some process using it - try "lsof | grep /the/mount/point" |
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| 14:15.23 | househead | kenjy : lsof = list open files |
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| 14:16.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | when setting up an NFS share, must the user exist on both server and client side, or would clientside suffice? |
| 14:16.50 | househead | DJ-Marcuzz : you can "map" users IIRC |
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| 14:16.57 | kenjy | househead root@www:/# lsof /mnt/vols/sdb2/ |
| 14:16.57 | kenjy | root@www:/# |
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| 14:17.33 | househead | kenjy : i'm stumped - reboot? |
| 14:17.51 | kenjy | househead I can't reboot |
| 14:17.59 | househead | kenjy : why? |
| 14:18.19 | JuJuBee | Dont see kde destkop or anything that looks like it except "kde"? |
| 14:18.26 | househead | kenjy : try "ps auxw | grep /mount/point" |
| 14:18.30 | kenjy | househead: its a production server, it can't be stoped now |
| 14:18.38 | abrotman | !instlal kde |
| 14:18.38 | Ronin | JuJuBee: have you read what dkpg said? |
| 14:18.42 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 14:18.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 14:18.44 | JuJuBee | Yes |
| 14:18.46 | abrotman | JuJuBee: ^^ |
| 14:18.47 | Ronin | all 3 times too |
| 14:19.15 | kenjy | househead: root@www:/# ps auxw |grep /mnt/vols/sdb2 |
| 14:19.16 | kenjy | root 18716 0.0 0.0 2228 620 pts/0 S+ 09:19 0:00 grep /mnt/vols/sdb2 |
| 14:19.16 | kenjy | root@www:/# |
| 14:19.36 | househead | kenjy : that line is to be expected - is the currently running command |
| 14:19.41 | kenjy | yea |
| 14:19.55 | kenjy | now what? how can I umount that hard disck? |
| 14:20.04 | kenjy | dmesg show a lot of errors in that disk :S |
| 14:20.26 | JuJuBee | Got it.... kdebase it is... |
| 14:20.34 | househead | kenjy : it would appear that no files are in use and nothing is running from it. Can't think of anything else I'm afraid. Schedule downtime to reboot? |
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| 14:20.58 | kenjy | househead I need to unmount :S |
| 14:21.03 | JuJuBee | Thought kdebase would simply allow me to run kde apps, not necessarily the kde desktop... Now I know. Thanks. |
| 14:21.15 | kenjy | without reboot :S |
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| 14:22.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | househead, how do you mean map users? |
| 14:22.56 | tingle | hello, im trying to install a minimal debian whit xorg but im not sure what xorg packages i need to install could someone help me out? |
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| 14:23.26 | stew | tingle: 'xorg' |
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| 14:23.55 | tingle | stew: i did that a previous time but im not really sure if thats 'minimal' |
| 14:24.13 | abrotman | you could see what xorg depends on |
| 14:24.39 | abrotman | but from what i can see .. it's not pulling a lot of extra junk |
| 14:24.41 | househead | DJ-Marcuzz : you can map users on the client box to UIDs on the server box I think |
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| 14:25.49 | tingle | stew: abrotman: ok thanks ill just install the 'xorg' package |
| 14:26.13 | stew | tingle: no it isn't, if you need minimal, install xserver-xorg, xfonts-base, xutils, xkb-data, xbase-clients, xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd and a xserver-xorg-video-$SOMETHING |
| 14:26.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | househead, i think thats a bit overkill for the few users i have, but in normal conditions, should there be same users on the client and server, and do they need to have the same passwords? |
| 14:26.57 | tingle | stew: can i p/m you? i would like to know more about it and find the main channel a little confusing |
| 14:27.08 | nico__ | speaking of kernel (well we were half an hour ago :P) , is there i way i can find if a option is included in the kernel i'm using right now? (it's the default one) |
| 14:27.38 | nico__ | sysctl or something? |
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| 14:28.14 | househead | DJ-Marcuzz : they should have the same UID values at least and I'd suggest using same pass for clarity and simplicity |
| 14:28.18 | simonrvn | /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:28.32 | stew | tingle: you are better off keeping it in the channel, i'm only sporadically going to be available, there are lots of people here that should be able to help you |
| 14:28.35 | simonrvn | or /proc/config.gz if you have it |
| 14:28.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | uid means :$ |
| 14:28.59 | simonrvn | user ID |
| 14:29.05 | alfatau | hello, i would want to limit upload bandwidth for some hosts of my lan and only for some type of connections. e.g. i would want to leave unlimited bandwidth for outgoing mails and msn/skype file sharing ones, but limiting upload ones for ftp,other p2p softwares like emule and all other unknown uploading apps. can you help me?thank you |
| 14:29.16 | nico__ | simonrvn, thx |
| 14:29.44 | tingle | stew: ok great thanks |
| 14:29.49 | househead | DJ-Marcuzz : uid is the user ID - a unique numberical value for each user on the system - "cat /etc/passwd" should show you user list and their corresponding uids (3rd column - 1st numerical value) |
| 14:30.04 | abrotman | alfatau: you need a traffic shaper |
| 14:30.20 | nico__ | cool, it's already activated... no need to compile \o/ |
| 14:30.25 | tingle | stew: how do you know thats every package i need to run xorg correctly? its not that i dont believe you but i just want to be sure :) i know im a nag haha |
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| 14:31.24 | stew | tingle: by trying it and seeing if it works |
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| 14:31.55 | simonrvn | good old fashioned experimentation =;) |
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| 14:32.30 | alfatau | abrotman: ok, so can you advise me a powerful one possibly simple to set up? thanks |
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| 14:33.08 | tingle | stew: ah ok great :) so you tried to make a minimal install aswell? |
| 14:33.20 | simonrvn | alfatau: it's called iptables and iproute |
| 14:33.29 | simonrvn | specifically tc |
| 14:33.45 | simonrvn | !wondershaper |
| 14:33.45 | dpkg | from memory, wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 14:33.47 | guillaume-fr | Hello, since this morning I had this message when I try to connect to my smtp server : "421 Cannot connect to SMTP server 62.212.112.131 (62.212.112.131:25), connect error 10060", can you help me to solve that ? |
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| 14:34.08 | stew | tingle: i haven't, no |
| 14:34.35 | tingle | stew: ok well im going to try it now thanks for helping me out :) |
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| 14:34.56 | atula | stew, hello. around around still? I'm a bit afraid that I'd log myself out while setting up the default rules to drop request if the ip is not on source list. Should the default rule goes first or last? iptables -A INPUT -j DROP |
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| 14:35.25 | tingle | just one other question i got just two sources in my sources.list there both for updating so im missing a couple lines wich are needed to install packages is there some website i can get them from |
| 14:35.42 | abrotman | !tell tingle about sources.list |
| 14:35.42 | househead | atula : you can set a default rule with the "policy" option to iptables - man iptables |
| 14:35.58 | simonrvn | that's not traffic shaping |
| 14:36.14 | stew | atula: make sure that your first rule is always one that accepts all traffic from the ip that you are sshing from, and make sure it is there before you switch the default policy |
| 14:36.21 | tingle | abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:44.29 | kenjy | guys this is my dmesg output :S its my hard disk death? http://rafb.net/p/A1f0WS14.html |
| 14:44.38 | kenjy | or with a reboot can be fixed? |
| 14:46.46 | abrotman | backup your data now |
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| 14:47.00 | karmatronic | kenjy: time for a fdisk then ... |
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| 14:47.36 | kenjy | karmatronic, the hard disk its ok? with reformat the partition should be ok? |
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| 14:47.42 | abrotman | i doubt it |
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| 14:50.29 | maxamillion | kenjy: listen to abrotman and get you data off that disk now, then worry about diagnosing that drive ... but it looks like you will lose everything if you don't move it somewhere safe |
| 14:51.56 | karmatronic | kenjy: reformat no ! correct errors |
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| 14:57.29 | Ronin | !tell init6 about root |
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| 14:58.48 | atula | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.18 | keith4 | having a problem with nautilus in etch... when i click on a file on the desktop and hit the delete key, it seems to move it to the wastebasket, but then nautilus hangs. if i kill nautilus, it re-launches and is fine |
| 14:59.19 | atula | *eek. I'm so afraid to reload my firewall script knowing that I might lock myself out *sigh... |
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| 15:00.03 | Barrag | hello |
| 15:00.45 | Barrag | I'm trying to search from the user specified logs for a timestamp with grep -ri command but I get several, how can I add another timestamp the search so that only those logs would appear where those 2 timestams are? |
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| 15:01.23 | chinasky | hello, i got gcc-4.2.2 installed and i want to use 4.2.1(for vmware), i installed this version but when i make "export CC=gcc-4.2.1" i still got message like my kernel was build with version 4.2.1..... how can i use 4.2.1 version? thanks!! |
| 15:01.52 | Barrag | or would you prefer any other method to search for a timestamp from logs? |
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| 15:02.00 | karmatronic | Barrag: grep -riE 'timestamp1\|timestamp2' ? |
| 15:02.13 | streuner | chinasky: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 15:02.24 | atula | nvm... I took a risk...it now works :D thanks stew and everyone else for the help |
| 15:02.28 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives |
| 15:02.31 | Barrag | karmatronic: lemme try |
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| 15:04.03 | Barrag | karmatronic: I got no results for that type |
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| 15:06.46 | Barrag | is there a way to search for files that are owned by a certain owner? |
| 15:07.08 | xand | man find |
| 15:07.29 | xand | -uid n File's numeric user ID is n. |
| 15:07.39 | chinasky | streuner: ii libc6 2.6.1-5 |
| 15:08.15 | streuner | chinasky: fine, you are using unstable, just change the symlink (gcc) |
| 15:08.27 | Barrag | xand: does it has to be numeric? |
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| 15:08.40 | xand | -user uname |
| 15:08.52 | xand | File is owned by user uname (numeric user ID allowed). |
| 15:09.06 | chinasky | streuner: how, please? |
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| 15:09.20 | streuner | chinasky: /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink... |
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| 15:09.43 | Barrag | find -user username path? |
| 15:09.43 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2007-09-05 10:47 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.2 |
| 15:09.46 | stew | don't change the symlink, just use the CC environment variable |
| 15:09.51 | JuJuBee | Anybody know how to bring up the contextual menu if using a PowerMac? cntrl-click doesn't do it. |
| 15:10.06 | streuner | stew: why not? |
| 15:10.20 | keith4 | JuJuBee: get a 2-button mouse |
| 15:10.46 | JuJuBee | Using trackpad |
| 15:10.47 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 15:10.47 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 15:10.55 | stew | streuner: why change it when a environment variable suffices? |
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| 15:11.10 | neotic | !ia64 |
| 15:11.10 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 15:11.11 | JuJuBee | Thanks |
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| 15:11.36 | chinasky | stew: you mean export CC? |
| 15:11.42 | stew | chinasky: yes |
| 15:11.53 | stew | chinasky: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever |
| 15:12.15 | chinasky | ok, i`ll try it |
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| 15:13.48 | streuner | dpkg, no gcc is <reply> the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever" |
| 15:13.48 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 15:16.48 | multi_io | how do I configure a default IP address in dhclient.conf in case the DHCP server is down? |
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| 15:17.14 | streuner | $editor /etc/dhclient.conf? |
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| 15:17.34 | streuner | just read the conf-file, its pretty self-explaining |
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| 15:18.09 | alaya__ | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 15:18.35 | multi_io | I even read the man page, it's not self-explaining |
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| 15:18.54 | multi_io | there's no config file there in the default installation |
| 15:19.12 | alex__ | .................................. |
| 15:19.49 | streuner | #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
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| 15:20.17 | multi_io | I guess I have to use the "default [ option declaration ] ;" , but what's the correct "option" there? |
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| 15:20.30 | alaya__ | multi_io: i don't know that it can be done |
| 15:20.46 | multi_io | streuner: I mean the IP address of my host, not the DNS address |
| 15:20.52 | stew | multi_io: i don't think there is a way |
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| 15:21.03 | LFH | what is best strategy to use (on testing) a pacakge that has not entered testing yet but seems to be stuck in stable? |
| 15:21.13 | LFH | sorry I meant "stuck in unstable" |
| 15:21.32 | alaya__ | multi_io: oh wait. default fixed-address might work |
| 15:22.01 | \amethyst | you have to set up fixed-address in an alias |
| 15:22.13 | streuner | multi_io: # interface "eth0"; # fixed-address 192.5.5.213; |
| 15:22.29 | \amethyst | or maybe not... docs aren't really clear |
| 15:22.38 | stew | streuner: that's not a fallback though |
| 15:22.40 | streuner | its ALL in /etc/dhclient.conf :-) |
| 15:22.51 | stew | or is it? |
| 15:22.53 | alaya__ | i think default fixed-address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx might be it |
| 15:23.14 | streuner | stew: of course not, its a fixed IP the DHCP server should give |
| 15:23.35 | \amethyst | Putting it in an alias declaration sounds like it will work as a fallback, though |
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| 15:24.07 | stew | streuner: right, so the answer to his question is "you can't" right? |
| 15:24.48 | alaya__ | \amethyst: yeah that looks right actually according to man page |
| 15:25.26 | \amethyst | however, I don't know if that will allow you to set the gateway |
| 15:25.39 | alaya__ | alias fixed-address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 15:26.55 | alaya__ | aha there is a sample alias stanza at the very end |
| 15:26.57 | streuner | stew: he might need an entry in "interfaces" |
| 15:27.49 | streuner | stew: it would be a fine solution, IMO |
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| 15:28.29 | stew | multi_io: can you just fallback to using zeroconf? |
| 15:28.44 | stew | (this is kinda why zeroconf exists) |
| 15:29.19 | multi_io | zeroconf? |
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| 15:29.31 | multi_io | isn't that for windoze :P |
| 15:29.52 | keith4 | nope |
| 15:29.56 | keith4 | it's a standard |
| 15:29.57 | alaya__ | apt-cache show zeroconf |
| 15:30.02 | keith4 | people just call it different thigns |
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| 15:30.15 | keith4 | like, apple calls it bonjour, or rendezvous, or whatever it is this week |
| 15:30.56 | keith4 | but that involves zeroconf and mdns |
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| 15:31.29 | multi_io | does that handle automatically setting the default route too? |
| 15:31.49 | streuner | stew: but iam asking you, when does a DHCP server goes down (it works or never again)? :-) |
| 15:32.28 | alaya__ | multi_io: in what instance would your router not be available to assign dhcp lease but it would still be routing to outside? |
| 15:32.29 | stew | multi_io: so you have a dhcp server that is separate from your router that might be down, but you'd still have a potential route to the internet? |
| 15:32.48 | keith4 | my dhcp server is different than my router, that could happen |
| 15:32.52 | keith4 | in fact, it has happened |
| 15:32.57 | stew | multi_io: and if you have a static ip that you could be using in that case, why not just use the static ip all the time? |
| 15:33.16 | streuner | (easy solution) |
| 15:33.26 | keith4 | but the default lease time is like 4 days... so you have about 2 days (on average) to fix the dhcp server before it's a problem |
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| 15:33.34 | multi_io | alaya__: don't ask :-P |
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| 15:34.12 | multi_io | it sometimes happens here that teh DHCP server is down but everything else still works, including routing to the outside and DNS |
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| 15:34.30 | alaya__ | multi_io: go with static IP, like stew says, unless there's some overriding reason you can't |
| 15:34.45 | alaya__ | multi_io: pick an address outside of the lease range |
| 15:35.02 | stew | multi_io: or just create a mapping in interfaces that will give you another thing to try to "ifup" if DHCP doesn't work |
| 15:35.17 | stew | multi_io: or you will have to figure out if you could reoute zeroconf via avahi or something |
| 15:35.30 | stew | but at that point you should just setup a backup DHCP server, probably |
| 15:36.27 | tingle | hi, i just tried to install firefox but got iceweasle instead whats that all about? |
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| 15:36.45 | stew | tingle: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 15:36.48 | keith4 | !iceweasel |
| 15:36.48 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 15:37.18 | tingle | i got this really anoying system beep when something goes wrong can i turn this off? |
| 15:37.25 | abrotman | !beep |
| 15:37.25 | dpkg | [beep] /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 15:37.29 | tingle | stew: thanks :) the xorg install works |
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| 15:38.13 | maxamillion | tingle: you could actually just do "rmmod pcspkr" as root and then blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom and it will never happen again :) |
| 15:38.33 | alaya__ | ok what to do when someone hosting a domain that is persistently spamming fails to take action on abuse report? report the provider to ICANN? |
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| 15:38.56 | StarWars | Hi |
| 15:39.04 | tingle | maxamillion: great thanks :) normal sound/music will be no problem when i do that? |
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| 15:39.22 | keith4 | unless you're playing sound through your internal pc speaker |
| 15:39.39 | tingle | well its a laptop the beep comes from my speakers |
| 15:39.46 | StarWars | When i install mysql on debian 4.0 i get this on the end |
| 15:39.55 | maxamillion | tingle: right, all that does is gets rid of the module that sends the sound to the pc speaker |
| 15:39.58 | StarWars | Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 15:40.08 | StarWars | IT OK ? |
| 15:40.19 | tingle | maxamillion: ah ok sorry if i wassnt detailed enough :) |
| 15:40.29 | Hobbes-- | What's a program to use to flip through 200 images at full resolution? I snapped a bunch of pictures and I want to choose one. |
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| 15:40.40 | maxamillion | tingle: no no, not at all ... i could see it being a valid question |
| 15:41.04 | tingle | :) |
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| 15:41.21 | LFH | !csoap |
| 15:41.24 | tingle | right i really need to eat now my mom is getting mad :) |
| 15:41.34 | multi_io | well, default fixed-address xx.xx.xx.xx doesn't work |
| 15:41.45 | maxamillion | ah! ... gotta run |
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| 15:42.57 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.54 | stew | StarWars: yes, it is normal, and expected |
| 15:44.57 | streuner | multi_io: you have some possibilites left :-) |
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| 15:49.00 | chinasky | streuner: can you tell me what package do i have to install to get gcc-4.2.1? i tried this one (http://packages.debian.org/sid/gcc/i386/download) but in /usr/bin i only see gcc-4.2 and gcc-4.1 |
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| 15:50.53 | keith4 | chinasky: apt-cache show gcc |
| 15:51.05 | madclicker | how can i clear denyhosts database? |
| 15:52.09 | streuner | chinasky: you are using x86? |
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| 15:52.14 | chinasky | yes |
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| 15:52.49 | twobitsprite | does anyone know of a way to tell how much a system is thrashing? |
| 15:52.59 | twobitsprite | (besides watching the hdd lights....) |
| 15:53.40 | rahul | iostat? |
| 15:53.51 | streuner | chinasky: i dont find any package in the mirrors, just try sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) |
| 15:54.17 | twobitsprite | rahul: what package is that in? |
| 15:54.48 | streuner | !tell twobitsprite about search |
| 15:55.07 | twobitsprite | !tell streuner that search doesn't find anything called iostat |
| 15:55.28 | streuner | well, just read the factoid again |
| 15:55.40 | streuner | carefully :-) |
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| 15:56.02 | streuner | (HINT -> apt-file) |
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| 15:56.48 | d-i-is-hard | anyone here know about debian-installer and udebs? |
| 15:56.54 | twobitsprite | ok, thanks... yeah, that finds it :) |
| 15:57.13 | streuner | d-i-is-hard: #debian-boot (OFTC), but why do think you need udebs? |
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| 15:57.40 | streuner | !udebs |
| 15:57.40 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 15:57.40 | d-i-is-hard | actually, I have this automated installer and I want to have it check for an ntfs partition before auto-installing |
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| 15:57.57 | d-i-is-hard | unfortunately, all the install hooks i try to use are piror to the 'parted' package being installed |
| 15:58.00 | multi_io | streuner: ah, you mean the alias thing |
| 15:58.31 | streuner | for example, we told you some other options as well |
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| 15:59.14 | d-i-is-hard | if I could figure out how the udebs get installed, perhaps i can install parted before the main menu is run |
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| 16:00.30 | IceD^ | any idea how to install rtorrent in unstable |
| 16:00.32 | valdyn | twobitsprite: iostat and there's blktrace ( which isnt supported by debian kernels ) |
| 16:00.41 | IceD^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.54 | valdyn | IceD^: its unstable, you fix it |
| 16:01.21 | stew | IceD^: what does "aptitude why-not libssh2-0" say? |
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| 16:01.35 | IceD^ | No justification for removing libssh2-0 could be constructed. |
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| 16:01.56 | stew | bah |
| 16:01.56 | IceD^ | valdyn: I'd use testing, but nvidia-drivers are not available there |
| 16:02.04 | valdyn | IceD^: there's no reason for anything |
| 16:02.05 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, may anyone please help me understanding why and apt-get remove tries to _install_ software ? http://pastebin.com/m5b8a57a5 |
| 16:02.12 | valdyn | IceD^: that's no reason for anything |
| 16:02.26 | IceD^ | ok - question is - how to install one particular package from testing |
| 16:02.34 | stew | IceD^: try installing libssh2-0 and see why it won't install, if its because of some other dependency, try installing that, keep going until you find a root cause |
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| 16:02.52 | stew | IceD^: aptitude -t testing install packagename |
| 16:02.56 | IceD^ | stew: E: Package libssh2-0 has no installation candidate |
| 16:03.01 | IceD^ | there is no such packahe |
| 16:03.20 | valdyn | !info rtorrent sid |
| 16:03.25 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.7.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 331 kB, Installed size: 884 kB |
| 16:03.26 | IceD^ | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist%40lists.debian.org/msg394785.html |
| 16:03.27 | stew | !depends rtorrent sid |
| 16:03.30 | dpkg | rtorrent: depends on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2.1), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libssh2-0, libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8e-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libtorrent10, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-1) |
| 16:03.38 | IceD^ | there is MONTH OLD bug for this issue |
| 16:03.58 | rubymonk | IceD^, Contribute, send a patch |
| 16:04.04 | valdyn | !info libssh2-0 sid |
| 16:04.04 | IceD^ | rubymonk: I'm user |
| 16:04.08 | stew | IceD^: yeah, there is no libssh2-0 in debian |
| 16:04.28 | diafic | rubymonk, I hate that attitiude. "You have the source, YOU go fix it". Most of us don't know any C/C++ |
| 16:04.44 | valdyn | its libssh2-1 now |
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| 16:04.50 | valdyn | !info libssh2-1 sid |
| 16:04.53 | dpkg | libssh2-1: (SSH2 client-side library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.17-1 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 16:04.57 | IceD^ | actually, I know C/C++ and even I can read howto |
| 16:05.11 | stew | IceD^: then wait for someone to fix it |
| 16:05.11 | IceD^ | but I just want to use rtorrent now |
| 16:05.18 | valdyn | IceD^: recompiling rtorrent might actually do it |
| 16:05.25 | diafic | IceD^, way to undermine my argument :p |
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| 16:05.27 | IceD^ | valdyn: link to howto |
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| 16:05.54 | valdyn | IceD^: i can make one: "sudo apt-get build-dep rtorrent && apt-get -b source rtorrent" |
| 16:05.56 | rubymonk | diafic, Well, even though it was just a suggestion, The way bolded MONTH OLD won't help the issue, maybe the guy that takes care of the package just do his best... I hate also the attitude of saying how bad the maintainer work is, as he does this for free on his free time... |
| 16:06.12 | valdyn | IceD^: oh i forgot the part where you add a deb-src line to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:06.25 | valdyn | !deb-src |
| 16:06.25 | dpkg | from memory, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' |
| 16:06.41 | valdyn | IceD^: ^^^ just sid, not stable |
| 16:06.46 | IceD^ | valdyn: I can handle this task :) |
| 16:06.59 | Lethias | i'm teaching myself how to program in C, one of the functions they are showing in the book is fpurge and fflush. Neither works the way it should when i apply them in the program. |
| 16:07.00 | d-i-is-hard | how does debian installer know which udebs to even install into it's ramdisk? |
| 16:07.05 | rubymonk | So, noone has an idea for my issue ? http://pastebin.com/m5b8a57a5 |
| 16:08.01 | stew | Lethias: try ##c |
| 16:08.12 | Lethias | k |
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| 16:08.47 | valdyn | manpage tells me that fpurge isnt C, but c++ |
| 16:08.52 | d-i-is-hard | rubymonk> you probally just have packages waiting to be installed already |
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| 16:09.18 | valdyn | err, nm |
| 16:09.31 | stew | rubymonk: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:09.56 | rubymonk | stew, Just trying to remove packages... and debian wants to install others... |
| 16:09.57 | rubymonk | dono why |
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| 16:10.24 | valdyn | Lethias: read the manpage: "These functions are nonstandard and not portable. .... |
| 16:10.43 | rubymonk | I want to remove everything related to X, whether they are application packages or x itself |
| 16:10.52 | diafic | rubymonk, I didn't say that. I just hate to "Go fix it yourself" attitude towards users |
| 16:10.52 | stew | rubymonk: if you are doing something this complicated, i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend |
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| 16:11.15 | rubymonk | stew, Always used apt... and I don't really like aptitude.. |
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| 16:11.36 | z0ran | i have update for kernel 2.6.18-5-k7, when i try to install it shows error, should i ignore that update or....any advice please |
| 16:11.38 | stew | rubymonk: ok, so what is the problem? |
| 16:12.06 | rubymonk | stew, Well, I just would understand why it wants to install packages... |
| 16:12.14 | rubymonk | when issuing that apt-get remove |
| 16:12.19 | rubymonk | that's it |
| 16:12.22 | valdyn | rubymonk: those 'extra packages' are partially essential packages, like debhelper, your system is in a fucked up state |
| 16:13.09 | stew | rubymonk: well for one thing some of the things it is wanting to install are priority: required, so they should be isntalled. it looks liek some previous install run didn't complete normally and it is trying to complete it now |
| 16:13.26 | rubymonk | ok |
| 16:13.39 | rubymonk | I can understand for debhelper.... but gaim-data ? |
| 16:13.48 | stew | rubymonk: like, for instance "perl-base" |
| 16:13.54 | stew | rubymonk: what does "dpkg -l gaim-data" return? |
| 16:14.08 | stew | rubymonk: err, "dpkg -l gaim-data|tail -1" |
| 16:14.12 | rubymonk | ii gaim-data |
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| 16:14.53 | valdyn | that macro to remove X is looks seriously silly |
| 16:14.59 | valdyn | and that's an euphemism |
| 16:15.14 | rubymonk | Well, X is already removed |
| 16:15.25 | rubymonk | I want to remove some applications |
| 16:15.32 | rubymonk | before doing a dist-upgrade |
| 16:15.39 | rubymonk | because my internet connection is a pain |
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| 16:16.05 | wols_ | !tell rubymonk about hold |
| 16:16.24 | rubymonk | Well, I know about hold |
| 16:16.35 | rubymonk | I don't want to hold those packages, I want to remove them |
| 16:16.44 | rubymonk | Well, nevermind, I'll deal with this myself |
| 16:16.48 | stew | rubymonk: i'd recommend running "aptitude install \~E \~pstandard \~prequired" to make sure you at least have all the base packages installed before going any further |
| 16:17.02 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:17.13 | HardDisk_WP | on my laptop I run a windows xp home and debian lenny |
| 16:17.14 | stew | rubymonk: not having perl installed is seriously broken |
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| 16:17.24 | rubymonk | stew, Right, I'll run that command, thanks for the tip |
| 16:17.30 | HardDisk_WP | both os's timezones are set to europe/berlin |
| 16:17.38 | rubymonk | Well, I have perl |
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| 16:17.39 | rubymonk | :P |
| 16:17.42 | HardDisk_WP | but why do the two clocks differ by two hours? |
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| 16:18.15 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: because windows always has the hw clock at local time, debian can have it at ~GMT |
| 16:18.21 | stew | rubymonk: oh its being upgraded. what does "apt-cache policy perl-base" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:" ? |
| 16:18.36 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: see /etc/default/rcS |
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| 16:18.49 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: GMT meant UTC, but its nearly the same anyway |
| 16:18.55 | stew | rubymonk: so I guess what happened is some previouls "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" didn't complete normall, and its trying to complete it now |
| 16:18.58 | rubymonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.58 | rubymonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.04 | kim0 | Hi guys, exim4 is not starting here, and I am *not* getting any error messages ?! any ideas please |
| 16:19.07 | rubymonk | Right |
| 16:19.11 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ok...i put timezone to UTC, now it works... |
| 16:19.14 | rubymonk | Well, I'll let it do this so.... |
| 16:19.15 | stew | rubymonk: ahh, you aren't running stable yet |
| 16:19.15 | xand | kim0: check the log? |
| 16:19.19 | wols_ | kim0: have you checked your logs? |
| 16:19.20 | rubymonk | hoping it won't take hours |
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| 16:19.34 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: you what? |
| 16:19.39 | kim0 | which one /var/log/mail.log says nothing |
| 16:19.47 | rubymonk | stew, Old system left on the side for a while :P |
| 16:19.48 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:19.57 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that's fucked up |
| 16:19.57 | kim0 | I'm new to debian (but experienced with redhat) |
| 16:20.02 | stew | rubymonk: so you should run "apt-get -f install" or "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" to let those actions complete before worrying about adding and removing more packages |
| 16:20.06 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: unless your timezone is utc |
| 16:20.08 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: unless you are located in the UK or so: this was wrong |
| 16:20.22 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 16:20.24 | capiira | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time |
| 16:20.31 | kim0 | xand: wols_, it is /var/log/mail.log , right ? |
| 16:20.32 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: hwclock --show |
| 16:20.42 | wols_ | kim0: check syslog too |
| 16:20.44 | capiira | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time |
| 16:20.47 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, ok wait...have to reboot from win to linux |
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| 16:20.48 | kim0 | okie |
| 16:20.49 | xand | kim0: no |
| 16:20.52 | kim0 | ? |
| 16:21.01 | xand | kim0: it's in /var/log/exim4 |
| 16:21.03 | stew | kim0: /var/log/exim4/mainlog if you are using exim4 (which is the debian default) |
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| 16:21.10 | xand | mail.log is for imap/pop |
| 16:21.18 | xand | and maybe other stuff, but not eixm |
| 16:21.21 | stew | and postfix, courier-mta... |
| 16:21.31 | kim0 | I see ... thanks |
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| 16:21.55 | rubymonk | stew, Thanks for the advices, I'll do so |
| 16:21.58 | robbie | im having a hell of a time getting smtp auth working in exim4 |
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| 16:22.08 | robbie | is anyone able to help ? |
| 16:22.14 | valdyn | robbie: you did read the documentation in /usr/share/doc? |
| 16:22.31 | robbie | valdyn: ive been over a few websites |
| 16:22.44 | robbie | havent installed the exim4-doc-html package |
| 16:22.52 | robbie | i set it up last year on another server and it was asinch |
| 16:22.53 | robbie | on 3.1 |
| 16:22.56 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, before reconfigure tzdata: Mo 15 Okt 2007 18:22:11 UTC -0.932582 seconds |
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| 16:23.13 | valdyn | robbie: ok, so read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz, chapter 2.3 |
| 16:23.19 | HardDisk_WP | after: 20:23:04 CEST |
| 16:23.24 | HardDisk_WP | but this is wrong |
| 16:23.33 | HardDisk_WP | it's now 18:23 local time |
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| 16:23.51 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: I asked you to do something |
| 16:23.54 | HardDisk_WP | and if I correct the clock on Linux, Windows is messed up |
| 16:24.09 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.20 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, yeah, I gave you the results of hwclock --show |
| 16:24.29 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, eh...no...never heard of that^^ |
| 16:24.31 | kim0 | crap, mainlog and syslog dont say anything, and nothing is listening to port 25 ?!! any help |
| 16:24.44 | rubymonk | stew, lynx:/home/pierre# apt-get -f install \n 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 633 not upgraded. |
| 16:24.46 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: EDIT that file |
| 16:24.46 | rubymonk | :P |
| 16:24.52 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ok |
| 16:25.00 | HardDisk_WP | I see a parameter UTC=yes |
| 16:25.04 | rubymonk | Still, aptitude install \~E \~pstandard \~prequired says a lot of stuff, I' |
| 16:25.04 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: you just changed your BIOS clock and you fucked up now your windows time. congratulations on your tzdata configure |
| 16:25.07 | rubymonk | ll let it run |
| 16:25.10 | stew | HardDisk_WP: change it to no |
| 16:25.31 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 16:25.45 | robbie | valdyn: thankyou |
| 16:25.49 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: now windows time = debian time |
| 16:25.53 | HardDisk_WP | ah k |
| 16:26.01 | stew | HardDisk_WP: windows is silly in that it wants to keep the hardware clock in localtime instead of UTC |
| 16:26.01 | kim0 | how do I start exim manually ? |
| 16:26.09 | stew | kim0: /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 16:26.11 | twobitsprite | is there a way to have multiple nics share an IP and do load balancing on them? |
| 16:26.14 | robbie | valdyn: you pointed me right at it :) , im tired and feel a fool |
| 16:26.30 | kim0 | stew: that doesn't work |
| 16:26.33 | kim0 | I dont get any errors |
| 16:26.40 | wols_ | twobitsprite: only if you can control the remote end too |
| 16:26.40 | kim0 | but nothing becomes listening on port 25 |
| 16:26.51 | stew | kim0: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:27.04 | stew | twobitsprite: yes, read bonding.txt in the kernel documentation |
| 16:27.13 | kim0 | stew: ick, well I'd rather not .. coz some reconfig work went in there |
| 16:27.14 | stew | wols_: you don't need to control the remote end |
| 16:27.20 | multi_io | the dhclient.conf man page blathers |
| 16:27.25 | wols_ | stew: "share an IP"? |
| 16:27.29 | stew | wols_: yes |
| 16:27.36 | kim0 | stew: I just need to start the daemon by hand, or get error message |
| 16:27.56 | wols_ | stew: different routing for different networks or what? |
| 16:27.56 | valdyn | twobitsprite: you can do routing based in service / ports / whatever, with 2 different ips |
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| 16:28.39 | stew | wols_: no, two interfaces with the same ip, load balancing traffic over the two interfaces |
| 16:29.07 | wols_ | stew: what software is used for that? |
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| 16:29.22 | stew | wols_: linux |
| 16:29.32 | wols_ | so nothing more than a mainline kernel needed? |
| 16:29.37 | stew | wols_: correct |
| 16:29.38 | wols_ | any howtos for that? |
| 16:29.51 | stew | $linux/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt |
| 16:30.20 | stew | oh you need the ifenslave pacakge |
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| 16:31.52 | wols_ | stew: and the bonding.txt assumes deadrat :) |
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| 16:32.07 | stew | twobitsprite: wols_: /usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/README.Debian |
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| 16:37.26 | d-i-is-hard | are there any other irc channels I might find someone who can answer my d-i question ? appreciate it |
| 16:37.43 | azeem | d-i-is-hard: did you try here? |
| 16:37.59 | d-i-is-hard | yea |
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| 16:38.03 | stew | he did, and was also told about #debian-boot |
| 16:38.19 | d-i-is-hard | oh debian-boot eh? thx |
| 16:38.31 | stew | d-i-is-hard: if you don't get an answer in #debian-boot (on irc.debian.org) then try http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
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| 16:46.02 | linkslice | how do i upgrade just mysql using apt-get? |
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| 16:46.12 | linkslice | i've already run apt-get update |
| 16:46.24 | idimmu | apt-get install mysql ! |
| 16:46.38 | linkslice | but then when i try apt-get upgrade mysql, a list of about 45 things it's going to upgrade come up |
| 16:46.46 | linkslice | idimmu, include the bang? |
| 16:46.55 | idimmu | no the bang is all mine |
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| 16:46.56 | linkslice | or are you just yelling at me for being dumb? ;) |
| 16:47.03 | idimmu | just apt-get install <packagename> |
| 16:47.06 | idimmu | and it will upgrade it |
| 16:47.32 | Cripps | does linux-image2.6.21-2-686 support smp by default? |
| 16:47.40 | linkslice | ah very nice, for some reason my mind thought install wasn't the right flag |
| 16:47.55 | idimmu | it's sneaky! |
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| 16:48.43 | stew | linkslice: the package name is 'mysql-server' not 'mysql' |
| 16:48.50 | stew | linkslice: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:48.52 | Hoxzer | and then again what was the name of the that gone menu editing tool ? |
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| 16:49.37 | Hoxzer | alacarte :) |
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| 16:49.40 | Hoxzer | thank you Hoxzer |
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| 16:56.37 | Suprano | Who do i do undo again in vim? |
| 16:56.38 | linkslice | stew, yeah i *just* realized that; I'm running 3.1r6 |
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| 16:56.58 | stew | linkslice: oh, then there should not be 45 things to upgrade |
| 16:57.09 | stew | linkslice: is your sources.list pointing to stable? (it shouldn't be) |
| 16:57.17 | Suprano | *how |
| 16:57.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | damn, after installing zsh i have some strange perl warnings, could someone help me solve them? http://dj-marcuzz.pastebin.com/m6c491261 |
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| 16:57.46 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:59.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx stew |
| 16:59.40 | atula | after I added -m state --state NEW to the iptable chain rules... it seems that I can't list after ftp in... I can log in but cannot list.. can someone help me? |
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| 17:00.46 | linkslice | stew: it's pointing here: deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 17:01.12 | stew | linkslice: ok, you havent upgraded pacakges in a long time then? |
| 17:01.15 | stew | like, years? |
| 17:01.19 | linkslice | hehe |
| 17:01.21 | linkslice | maybe |
| 17:01.27 | linkslice | i just started |
| 17:01.52 | linkslice | i've been in charge of this system for about 3 weeks...so probably |
| 17:02.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, i rerun that config, and said that NL UF8 Euro is my standart but i still get the errors :-/ |
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| 17:02.10 | linkslice | should I change where it's pointing? |
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| 17:02.34 | Haris | Hello people |
| 17:02.47 | stew | linkslice: not right now. but you should considuer upgrading to etch (the current stable) sometime in the next couple of months (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 17:02.56 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: logout and back in, or set the LANG environment variable |
| 17:03.00 | Haris | I get this response most of the times I use the whois utility. Is there some miss-configuration with it out of the box? => No whois server is known for this kind of object. |
| 17:03.23 | Haris | I'm running whois domain.com.mk |
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| 17:03.25 | linkslice | stew: ok, in the meantime what's the best way to get mysql version that slight bump |
| 17:03.28 | capiira | hmm anyone how to apply .patch files? |
| 17:03.30 | stew | Haris: that is normal |
| 17:03.48 | stew | linkslice: what version of mysql do you want to be running? |
| 17:03.49 | Haris | It is? |
| 17:03.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | stew, omg now everything is dutch, how the hell do i get it back to enlish where it came from :| |
| 17:04.09 | linkslice | 4..1.11->4.1.13 |
| 17:04.15 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: export LANG=C ; or export LANG=en_US" or something |
| 17:04.29 | Haris | stew: Is there some config file in which I can tell it to use some whois server by default? |
| 17:04.33 | stew | linkslice: aptitude install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 17:05.12 | stew | Haris: if there was "man whois" should tell you in the FILES section or the SEE ALSO section |
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| 17:05.36 | FZ | hello, I need urgent help, I am using Debian unstable and I haven't done a major upgrade for a very long time, now I have decided to upgrade to xserver-xorg and I had a problem, first apt-get install xserver-xorg told me that it had somethin to do with /usr/X11R6/bin and there were some files it could not remove so I have removed them and then re-run the apt-get but it complained and told me to do apt-get -f install and now fina |
| 17:05.37 | FZ | lly it is telling me that it is trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin which is also in package xpaint and that there are errors while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.3+2_i386.deb and... I can't get rid of this and continue installing xserver-xorg... what should I do? |
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| 17:06.27 | stew | FZ: remove xpaint, continue upgrading, then add xpaint back afterwards if that is desired. |
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| 17:06.36 | stew | FZ: you should probably be using aptitude, not apt-get |
| 17:06.46 | FZ | stew: let me try that... removing xpaint... |
| 17:07.10 | FZ | is apt-get that problematic? is aptitude obligatory for this process? |
| 17:07.17 | wols_ | FZ: if it's that long, make sure you run/install a 2.6 kernel or your unstable won't boot anymore |
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| 17:08.03 | stew | FZ: aptitude is not obligatory, its better at handlign complex dependency resolution however |
| 17:08.34 | FZ | wols_: I'm using a 2.6 kernel already |
| 17:08.38 | stew | FZ: it might make sense for you to upgrade to stable since your current install is older than stable |
| 17:08.46 | abrotman | and opera if he has that |
| 17:09.02 | jahshua | hello abrotman. |
| 17:09.13 | abrotman | uhhi |
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| 17:09.48 | jahshua | sorry, i just recognised your nick. i hardly ever look on this screen/freenode, but you helped me years ago on here when i was a noob. :p |
| 17:10.02 | FZ | apt-get remove xpaint ... complains that there are unmet dependencies :( |
| 17:10.02 | dkr | any idea how to reset a user's password in jabberd2.0s11 on debian stable? |
| 17:10.07 | jahshua | i think it was in #ubuntu though ? |
| 17:10.08 | jahshua | heh |
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| 17:10.15 | jahshua | i have since moved on. |
| 17:10.25 | stew | FZ: i'd recommend using aptittude to upgrade to stable |
| 17:10.38 | stew | FZ: or you'll have to give us more information (/msg dpkg bat) |
| 17:10.45 | FZ | let me try with aptitude... |
| 17:10.45 | jahshua | anyware here use vmware on a sid kernel ? |
| 17:10.55 | stew | something tells me abrotman wasn't helping people in #ubuntu |
| 17:11.19 | FZ | I'd like to keep on using unstable... |
| 17:11.25 | abrotman | stew: eh ? |
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| 17:11.43 | abrotman | stew: opera has the same issue .. |
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| 17:12.10 | linkslice | stew: No candidate version found for mysql |
| 17:12.34 | sohmestra | what commandline tool might I use to do text case manipulation? ie. echo "FOO" |lower => "foo" |
| 17:12.37 | stew | linkslice: that's not suprising. what are you trying to do? |
| 17:12.50 | JordiGH | The numerical analysis kids want a simple graphics library that will let them write pixel by pixel to a window. I.e. very basic graphing abilities. What can I recommend? |
| 17:12.57 | grub_ | sohmestra, tl |
| 17:13.02 | abrotman | sohmestra: tr |
| 17:13.05 | stew | sohmestra: tr |
| 17:13.06 | grub_ | oope, yeah |
| 17:13.10 | grub_ | tr* |
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| 17:13.14 | zicho | !know |
| 17:13.14 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 17:13.27 | grub_ | :) |
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| 17:13.49 | aboyzz | anyone know how to track a message being send to hotmail account? I can't seem to send email to hotmail. But from my yahoo account i send it to the server email then i reply it will go thru to hotmail? what is going on? Anyone know how to find out why when hotmail send me a email and I reply it goes to the hotmail, but I can't send email to them directly. Any know how to track this? thanks. |
| 17:14.00 | sohmestra | something like: tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' ? |
| 17:14.28 | stew | sohmestra: yes |
| 17:14.29 | sohmestra | sweet. thanks |
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| 17:14.48 | abrotman | aboyzz: look in your mail.log |
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| 17:15.03 | JordiGH | Hm, maybe plotutils? |
| 17:15.15 | linkslice | stew: we've got mysql 4.1.11 installed, but the client requested an upgrade to 4.1.13 (I don't know why) |
| 17:16.02 | dkr | aboyzz: maybe you hit their secret number of recipients limit |
| 17:16.08 | stew | linkslice: it would be good to know why. if it were for security, then the 4.1.11 that you have is likely to have whatever patches they are wanting the upgrade to 4.1.13 for |
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| 17:16.51 | atula | hello. I set up an iptables rule that allow certain IP on port 20,21. However it seems like user can connect but cannot list directory... I've tried -m state --state RELATED but it didn't work... any other suggestions? |
| 17:16.54 | stew | linkslice: if you really need 4.1.13, you are going to have to either find a patch from 4.1.11->4.1.13 and use it to patch the source of the debian pacakge. or find 4.1.13 source and try compiling it with the build instructions from 4.1.11 and hope it works |
| 17:17.31 | tingle | whats a light application for debian so i can mute and arange the volume of my speakers? |
| 17:17.33 | stew | atula: try #iptables |
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| 17:17.41 | stew | tingle: alsaconf |
| 17:17.45 | stew | tingle: err, alsamixer |
| 17:17.46 | linkslice | stew: ok thanks for the help, I'll let them know |
| 17:18.06 | cahoot | amixer is as light as possible, alsamixer easier to use |
| 17:18.08 | stew | linkslice: i'd also find out if mysql-server-5.0 is an option, for which you could upgrade to debian stable |
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| 17:18.34 | linkslice | stew, ok I'll ask them that too, maybe i'll be back tp pester you again :-p |
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| 17:19.09 | tingle | stew: gnome-alsamixer or alsamixer gui? |
| 17:20.04 | stew | tingle: i dunno. if you run gnome, there is some volume control applet you can put in your panel |
| 17:20.40 | stew | linkslice: security support for sarge (which you are running now) will stop early next year, so you are encouraged to upgrade |
| 17:21.09 | tingle | stew: i dont use gnome and i dont really like a app whit gui i would like to manage it from my terminal |
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| 17:21.23 | stew | tingle: alsamixer |
| 17:21.49 | tingle | stew: ty |
| 17:22.02 | grub_ | Hi, my microphone doesnt work, whenever any app tries to use it, the app crashes and i have to force quit. http://rafb.net/p/FtdEmd18.html dmesg output . I use Gnome.. |
| 17:22.06 | atula | stew, people are pretty quiet over there at iptables... I really gotta solve this issue... too much depends on it |
| 17:22.29 | tingle | stew: there issnt a package called alsamixer just gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 17:22.44 | wols_ | !tell tingle about search |
| 17:22.50 | stew | tingle: its in alsa-utils iirc (/msg dpkg search) |
| 17:23.04 | JordiGH | Let me try asking this way: they want to manually generate Newton fractals. What should I give them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_fractal |
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| 17:23.21 | grub_ | ESD is enabled in gnome as well |
| 17:24.01 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 17:24.11 | maxamillion | hello TrueDD |
| 17:24.17 | maxamillion | :P |
| 17:24.41 | TrueDD | hello maxamillion :p |
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| 17:25.50 | manu_hack | hi, would like to know how to make the following speaker works http://www.officedepot.com/textSearch.do?uniqueSearchFlag=true&Ntt=138395 |
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| 17:26.25 | manu_hack | that guy got a speaker there but how do I make it work? |
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| 17:28.31 | manu_hack | or in general a speaker and mic on USB device? |
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| 17:28.52 | tingle | stew: so i need to install the whole 'alsa-utils' package to get alsamixer on my system? |
| 17:28.57 | pickcoder | it should be supported as usb hid and audio |
| 17:29.25 | stew | tingle: yes |
| 17:29.49 | pickcoder | manu_hack: in other words it should be plug and play |
| 17:30.07 | stew | tingle: if you need something smaller you could try aumix |
| 17:30.39 | manu_hack | pickcoder, unfortunately, the combo only works on mouse, keyboard but not the speaker and mic |
| 17:30.49 | manu_hack | should I do something to configure |
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| 17:31.46 | tingle | stew: is 'aptitude remove --purge' the correct way to remove a package completly? |
| 17:32.03 | pickcoder | manu_hack: lsusb does not show the audio devices? |
| 17:32.15 | JordiGH | tingle: options before commands. |
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| 17:32.24 | manu_hack | pickcoder, no |
| 17:32.29 | stew | tingle: no, aptitude purge |
| 17:32.45 | pickcoder | manu_hack: what version of Debian? |
| 17:32.53 | manu_hack | sid |
| 17:33.19 | tingle | ok ty |
| 17:33.41 | pickcoder | can't help you there. I don't run unstable |
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| 17:34.22 | Polarina | Hello. |
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| 17:35.00 | manu_hack | pickcoder, I google and some people said if plug it in and boot, it seems to work, you think so? |
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| 17:35.20 | stew | manu_hack: is snd-usb-audio loaded? |
| 17:36.07 | Polarina | I was taking a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ and was wondering what in short words are the difference from the netinst CD and the full DVD sets. |
| 17:36.09 | manu_hack | stew, seems not |
| 17:36.16 | manu_hack | stew, so load it? |
| 17:36.27 | simmerz | what is rpc.statd? |
| 17:36.50 | alaya__ | simmerz: related to nfs |
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| 17:36.51 | stew | manu_hack: yes |
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| 17:37.04 | stew | manu_hack: or try running alsaconf |
| 17:37.21 | manu_hack | stew, I tried alsaconf, no luck |
| 17:37.30 | manu_hack | how to load it stew? |
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| 17:37.47 | manu_hack | modprobe? |
| 17:37.49 | stew | yes |
| 17:37.57 | empiric | hey whast the didd b/w iSCSI and sata disks |
| 17:37.57 | simmerz | alaya__: apparently it's listening to anything and everything. can i bind it to localhost? |
| 17:38.12 | empiric | whats the diff b/w iSCSI and sata disks |
| 17:38.40 | alaya__ | simmerz: maybe an option in /etc/default/nfs-common |
| 17:39.09 | simmerz | ok |
| 17:39.30 | stew | empiric: sata disks are hard drives and iSCSI is a network protocol |
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| 17:41.52 | alaya__ | simmerz: /sbin/rpc.statd --help does not seem to list such an option though... |
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| 17:43.13 | stew | simmerz: /etc/default/portmap |
| 17:43.24 | simmerz | stew: thanks |
| 17:43.24 | alaya__ | simmerz: i guess in the end the standard access restricitons in /etc/exports might be all |
| 17:43.46 | simmerz | yep. I'm using nfs on that machine to access a remote nfs mount via autofs |
| 17:43.51 | simmerz | it's not acting as an nfs server |
| 17:44.27 | manu_hack | stew, I loaded the module, so what else should I do? |
| 17:45.27 | simmerz | alaya__: stew: I probably don't need nfs-common or portmap running on the client machine then do i? |
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| 17:45.46 | stew | simmerz: you should |
| 17:45.52 | simmerz | stew why? |
| 17:45.54 | dogmeat | can i mount an iso file ? |
| 17:45.55 | stew | manu_hack: see if it works |
| 17:45.57 | alaya__ | also, statd uses tcp wrappers, meaning entries in hosts.allow/deny affect it |
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| 17:46.10 | stew | simmerz: to be able to mount remote nfs volumes? |
| 17:46.40 | simmerz | so unless those two services are running I can't do that? I've just done it and it seemed to work... |
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| 17:47.09 | manu_hack | stew, so just plug in and should work? but it still didn't work, what else I should do? |
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| 17:47.21 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if i can use the ff flash plugin also for opera, or do i need an opera flash plugin ? |
| 17:47.34 | anna | hi there |
| 17:47.57 | stew | manu_hack: get a soundblaster |
| 17:48.04 | anna | how do become or log on as superuser? |
| 17:48.28 | stew | anna: login as "root" or login as a normal user and run "su" |
| 17:48.54 | anna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.09 | stew | anna: what are you trying to install? |
| 17:49.12 | anna | how do i do that? |
| 17:49.17 | stew | 12:48 < stew> anna: login as "root" or login as a normal user and run "su" |
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| 17:49.34 | anna | a .bin program or application |
| 17:49.39 | alaya__ | anna: if the installer is graphical, install sux and run sux first |
| 17:49.41 | rocketmagnet | is there a package for the opera flash plugin ? |
| 17:49.45 | Downix | ok, about to give up on lernel 2.6 on this machine |
| 17:49.46 | anna | a game to be precise |
| 17:49.53 | rocketmagnet | can't find something with apt-cache search opera flash |
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| 17:50.50 | manu_hack | stew, where to get a sound blaster? |
| 17:50.59 | alaya__ | rocketmagnet: flashplugin-nonfree is probably what you want |
| 17:51.07 | rocketmagnet | for opera ? |
| 17:51.15 | stew | manu_hack: i don't know |
| 17:51.21 | alaya__ | rocketmagnet: yes why not. its the flash plugin. |
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| 17:51.45 | rocketmagnet | that was my initial question, doesn't know if they can be used for all browsers |
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| 17:52.07 | alaya__ | rocketmagnet: apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 17:52.10 | ManuP | hi! can i somehow start a program "out of a sandbox" which doesnt allow the program any acces to the internet/network? |
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| 17:52.42 | alaya__ | rocketmagnet: opera can usually pickup mozilla plugins btw. |
| 17:52.57 | rocketmagnet | alaya__: The Flash plugin is NOT installed. is printed after install |
| 17:53.09 | rocketmagnet | but i have allready one that is used by my ff |
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| 17:53.34 | rocketmagnet | so i need to point my opera to the ff flash plugin |
| 17:53.35 | brick__ | hi. i have /opt in my root partition, and now when installing stuff in apt, i get a msg that there is no space left in opt(17mb left on the root partition. is it possible to move /opt to another location/partition, f ex /home that has several gb lefT? |
| 17:53.54 | Downix | I still can't figure out how a smaller kernel is larger than a larger kernel as far as silo is concerned |
| 17:54.12 | stew | edgardoweb: please turn that off in here |
| 17:54.26 | stew | brick__: just move /opt to /home/opt ; then ln -s /home/opt /opt |
| 17:54.49 | brick__ | ok. thx |
| 17:54.58 | stew | Downix: try #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org |
| 17:55.10 | Downix | good idea |
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| 17:55.31 | Polarina | How long does it take to set up the base system with GNOME on a i386 system? (Approximate). |
| 17:56.21 | JordiGH | Polarina: On a modern computer, I'd say about an 45 minutes. |
| 17:56.28 | stew | Polarina: that depends on a lot of things. do you need to format? if so, how long will that take? do you need to fetch packages via the web? |
| 17:56.28 | Polarina | Wow. |
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| 17:57.24 | JordiGH | Yeah, I was assuming you had all the packages you needed already burned to a CD. |
| 17:57.27 | rocketmagnet | alaya__: do you know the name of the plugin file ? so i can find it on my system |
| 17:57.36 | alaya__ | Polarina: you could build a custom install cd and make it fast, or download all the components via the 'net and it takes longer |
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| 17:58.03 | stew | if all the packages were already on cd, it could take as little as 10-15 minutes, i'd think |
| 17:58.32 | antgel | not unless the hardware is faster than anything i've seen |
| 17:58.54 | JordiGH | stew: If you install all locales, it takes about 20 more minutes. :-0 |
| 17:58.55 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 17:59.08 | dogmeat | is there a good case to run sudo ? |
| 17:59.10 | brick__ | stew, didnt help.. still getting the error.. |
| 17:59.22 | alaya__ | dogmeat: because you need to? |
| 17:59.32 | JordiGH | dogmeat: I think it's more sensible to ask if there's a good case not to run sudo if you need root privs. |
| 17:59.38 | russo | hey guys i'm running debian with an athlon x2... what do i need to do to get dual-core performance? Just compile it in the kernel? |
| 17:59.47 | stew | brick__: then move/delete more stuff off / |
| 17:59.47 | dogmeat | JordiGH, is there? |
| 17:59.49 | abrotman | russo: nothing .. it's already there |
| 17:59.53 | Polarina | russo: It is called SMP. |
| 17:59.57 | abrotman | russo: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:00.21 | russo | do i need an smp kernel? |
| 18:00.22 | JordiGH | dogmeat: sudo can effectively replace su, and there are many good arguments for why it should. |
| 18:00.31 | russo | it sees 2 cores |
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| 18:00.46 | stew | russo: if it sees 2 cores, you have an smp kernel |
| 18:00.50 | wols_ | russo: any other kernel than the -486 already has SMP built in |
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| 18:01.07 | russo | cool! :P |
| 18:01.11 | wols_ | [m8]Spichka: can you please test it elsewhere? |
| 18:01.15 | stew | [m8]Spichka: english only in here. try #debian-russian if you want to speak russian |
| 18:01.39 | [m8]Spichka | |
| 18:01.45 | russo | i spent a while installing gentoo today :D and kept getting kernel panics... and since this is a server i felt stupid for not going to debian immedeatly (my other servers are debian) |
| 18:01.54 | alaya__ | is russian composed only of accented vowels??? |
| 18:02.02 | russo | nope |
| 18:02.10 | wols_ | alaya__: utf8 russian is for us non russians :) |
| 18:02.10 | alaya__ | must be tough on the mouth |
| 18:02.14 | xand | arg |
| 18:02.15 | russo | шишка, давай utf8 |
| 18:02.16 | stew | alaya__: that ws koi-8 not utf-8 |
| 18:02.21 | stew | or whatever |
| 18:02.28 | russo | yeah thats what i just said |
| 18:02.46 | russo | это линукс.... нужно переходить на utf-8 :P |
| 18:02.57 | L0cKn | :D |
| 18:02.58 | L0cKn | haahahah |
| 18:03.00 | alaya__ | why can't it be included in utf? i thought utf was supposed to be THE ANSWER |
| 18:03.13 | russo | everything is included in utf8 |
| 18:03.17 | russo | but not other encodings |
| 18:03.21 | stew | alaya__: all of those characters are included in utf8 |
| 18:03.23 | russo | all the characters are there i mean |
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| 18:03.46 | alaya__ | stew: but why did they show up as garbled vowels with diacritical marks? |
| 18:03.48 | JordiGH | Is that UTF-8? All Russians still seem to use KOI-8. |
| 18:03.49 | stew | alaya__: if you want to know why he isn't using utf8, you should ask him |
| 18:04.15 | alaya__ | russo's output looks like cyrillic |
| 18:04.28 | xand | looks russian to me |
| 18:04.29 | stew | alaya__: he chose to speak using koi8 not utf8, you are seing the utf8 decoding of his koi8, aiui |
| 18:04.34 | dkr | JordiGH: not all, #unbutn-ru use utf-8, just the #debian-ru are the laggards. :) |
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| 18:04.44 | russo | it was utf8 :P |
| 18:04.52 | russo | but yes it was russian |
| 18:05.03 | alaya__ | stew: i see. i thought koi would be a subset of utf. guess not. |
| 18:05.04 | xand | didn't they notice their N is backwards ;) |
| 18:05.16 | JordiGH | russo sent UTF-8 and I could read it. Spichka sent KOI-8, though. |
| 18:05.16 | russo | i got another question... do i need to set a bootable flag on a soft-raid device? |
| 18:05.23 | wols_ | russo: no |
| 18:05.27 | xand | russo: you never need a bootable flag |
| 18:05.30 | russo | wols_: ty |
| 18:05.35 | wols_ | xand: in windows you do |
| 18:05.36 | dkr | линукс is linux spelled phoentically, :) |
| 18:05.41 | stew | alaya__: no, koi8 is not unicode |
| 18:05.48 | xand | wols_: you never need windows :p |
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| 18:06.34 | alaya__ | stew: ok, i guess it was an error when someone said earlier that koi8 was in unicode |
| 18:06.37 | dkr | the whole world should just hurry up and use utf-8 for everything |
| 18:06.52 | pickcoder | dkr: if only it was that easy |
| 18:07.03 | stew | alaya__: they meant that all of the characters expressable in koi8 are also expressible in utf8 |
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| 18:08.04 | dkr | (that was koi8-r, btw, not koi8) just to be annoyingly pedantic. :) |
| 18:08.06 | alaya__ | stew: ok that makes sense. |
| 18:08.27 | JordiGH | dkr: Power to the Unicode revolution, brother. |
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| 18:09.03 | rocketmagnet | alaya__: the install tells me to enter a valid install path and shows me an example, when i use the example (my /usr/lib/mozilla path) it does not pass, i have to re-enter the path again and again ... |
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| 18:09.31 | rocketmagnet | i run it as root |
| 18:09.56 | stew | dkr: ok, and how did you determine which koi8 encoding it was? (if we are going to be annoying) :) |
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| 18:11.02 | rocketmagnet | any idea why this may happen |
| 18:11.02 | ringo999 | hi folks. im trying to get my wifi working. i have wep. installed wireless tools. and added wireless-essid / wireless-key to my /etc/network/interfaces file. Howerver, ifup eth1 just wont connect it. im clueless. what to do? |
| 18:11.23 | aboyzz | any9one know any web plugins for spam assassin, where user can view their spam on the web interface and see which one is spam and release it to their email? what program is that anyone know? I'musng spamassassin clamav,fuzzyocr |
| 18:11.34 | alaya__ | stew: i think you got him cornered ;-) |
| 18:11.41 | russo | i got another question, is there a way to have CP show the elapsed time or the throughput? I want to test my new gigabit switch |
| 18:11.52 | russo | by CP i mean cp :P |
| 18:11.56 | Chiko_Medina | i dont boot with cd of debian etch |
| 18:12.00 | dkr | stew: actually, I don't even know the difference. just that they suer koi8-r specificaly, koi8 was the old version |
| 18:12.07 | Chiko_Medina | any reason? |
| 18:12.08 | alaya__ | ringo999: i would intially configure it with iwconfig to get it working |
| 18:12.25 | JordiGH | Chiko_Medina: How does the boot fail? |
| 18:12.51 | dkr | russo: time cp src dst |
| 18:13.08 | russo | oh good one dkr :P i didn't think of that |
| 18:13.08 | stew | dkr: it could have been koi8-u! (don't know which a belarusian would prefer) :) |
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| 18:13.32 | dkr | russo: time cat src | pv > dst |
| 18:13.33 | alaya__ | Chiko_Medina: bios config? bad CD? hard to know without more info... |
| 18:13.46 | horde | hi, may i know what package to install to have "aclocal"? |
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| 18:15.13 | dkr | dpkg -S /usr/share/aclocal |
| 18:15.13 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/share/aclocal is installed! |
| 18:15.13 | dkr | xutils-dev, gnome-doc-utils, imlib-base, bison, xfonts-utils: /usr/share/aclocal |
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| 18:15.36 | dkr | I guess those are all packages that have stuff *in* the aclocal dir, :) |
| 18:15.44 | alaya__ | horde: which aclocal? |
| 18:16.28 | horde | alaya__, erm no idea..i am trying to compile something and it says type "./autogen.sh" but it gives "aclocal not found" |
| 18:16.34 | alaya__ | aclocal.h in linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:18.10 | stew | horde: aptitude install automake |
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| 18:19.05 | |DuReX| | is there a way to see all network cards in linux, lspci is nto installed ! |
| 18:19.25 | xand | |DuReX|: install pciutils |
| 18:19.38 | horde | thanks stew..aclocal found thanks.. |
| 18:19.41 | |DuReX| | can't xand, cause apt-get uses network, and network is down ... |
| 18:19.45 | |DuReX| | are there other ways ? |
| 18:19.50 | xand | use the cd |
| 18:19.57 | |DuReX| | no other ways? ;) |
| 18:20.04 | xand | ifconfig -a |
| 18:20.08 | xand | if it's module is loaded etc |
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| 18:20.51 | dkr | cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/* |
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| 18:21.16 | Silvia | hi all... |
| 18:21.33 | Silvia | i have installed tomcat, and now tomcat is listening in port 80 instead apache. I have stoped tomcat and restart then apache it is redirected by Apache/2.2.6 (Debian) mod_jk/1.2.25 |
| 18:21.49 | Silvia | where is this set? |
| 18:21.50 | dkr | compare ids with /usr/share/misc/pci.ids ( this is what lspci does, :) |
| 18:21.50 | xand | set tomcat to use a different port then |
| 18:21.57 | dogmeat | which package contains the /etc/magic file database ? |
| 18:21.59 | xand | Silvia: in /etc somewhere |
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| 18:22.13 | xand | dogmeat: file |
| 18:22.19 | dogmeat | thanks |
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| 18:22.41 | stew | |DuReX|: awk '{print $2}' < /proc/bus/pci/devices | sed 's/\(....\)\(....\)/\1.*\2/' | while read a ; do grep $a /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap ; done |
| 18:23.04 | www4guy | how to burn ra ram video file to dvd ? |
| 18:23.26 | Silvia | <Connector className="org.apache.coyote.tomcat5.CoyoteConnector" |
| 18:23.26 | Silvia | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.51 | Silvia | i does not see nothing about tomcat listen 80 port |
| 18:24.04 | dkr | how can I configure software without reading the instructions on how to configure it? |
| 18:24.21 | dkr | oh yeah, that's what irc is for! ;) |
| 18:24.33 | Silvia | xand, you know it? |
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| 18:24.42 | stew | dkr: you send irc through festival? or what? |
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| 18:26.47 | xand | Silvia: not very well |
| 18:26.52 | dkr | I used to use festival to notify me of stuff like people portscanning me: "alien presence detected", or sysmon: "Danny, the t1 is down." but it got old realyl fast. :) |
| 18:26.55 | crackintosh | I made stupid mistake two years ago, I picked a dedicated host which loads CentOS on all their systems. Why didnt I host with debian? |
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| 18:27.17 | snacky | crackintosh: it's ok, we love you anyway |
| 18:27.29 | ringo999 | ok i issued the iwconfig command (essid and key) as parameters. but how can i see if it worked? it still says unassociated and also it added a "k" letter to the essid |
| 18:27.52 | dkr | crackintosh: some will even if they don't officially. e.g. rackspace officially only supports redhat, but they have their own debian mirror and installed debian for me just fine |
| 18:28.19 | JordiGH | Remind me why it's useful to have a swap partition even if you gigs upon gigs of RAM. |
| 18:28.25 | JordiGH | Suspend to disk. What else? |
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| 18:30.02 | dkr | because the kernel works more optimally with it available |
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| 18:30.09 | FastPutty | hi how can i do a listing in the ftp-ssl |
| 18:30.16 | Downix | yay, my SPARC is GUI'd again! |
| 18:30.18 | FastPutty | it said i need to do a secure listing for this |
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| 18:30.58 | stew | !all possible modules is awk '{print substr($2,0,5) ".*" substr($2,5)}' < /proc/bus/pci/devices | grep -f- /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 18:30.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, stew |
| 18:31.05 | stew | bah |
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| 18:31.51 | crackintosh | dkr: My host will load debian on machines, but only 32-bit. :-/ |
| 18:32.12 | crackintosh | How is debian with 64-bit binaries, are there as many packages available in the repositories as 32-bit? |
| 18:32.16 | dkr | and you *need* 64 bit... for a web server? |
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| 18:32.44 | rootwired | ok, it seems that setting up a jail for debian is much harder than gentoo |
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| 18:32.48 | crackintosh | it serves a java app that uses very large databases |
| 18:32.57 | rootwired | any one know of a good tutorial or something for debian chroots? |
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| 18:33.12 | rootwired | or could someone walk me through it |
| 18:33.15 | crackintosh | dkr: we moved over to a 64bit server and it changes everything for us. |
| 18:33.16 | xand | !chroot |
| 18:33.17 | dpkg | chroot is, like, a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 18:33.24 | HardDisk_WP | anyone knowing a tool to display the image of /dev/video1 device? (webcam) |
| 18:33.25 | rootwired | xand <3 |
| 18:33.36 | HardDisk_WP | kdetv sucks, does recognize only first webcam |
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| 18:36.25 | ringo999 | still having problems setting up my wifi. i issued iwlist eth1 scanning and it shows about only 5 networks. with my other computer there are like 20 networks... |
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| 18:36.38 | ringo999 | specificially it doesnt show my own network either |
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| 18:37.17 | ringo999 | it would be really cool if someone could help me get this going... |
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| 18:37.59 | h3sp4wn | ringo999: countrycode set wrong ? (hence channel not available ?) |
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| 18:38.30 | ringo999 | ringo999: countrycode? what does that have to do with it? where do i set that (confused)... |
| 18:38.31 | h3sp4wn | ringo999: are you using madwifi (if not probably someone else is best to help you) but if you are using channel 12 or 13 sounds like a countrycode issue |
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| 18:39.51 | ringo999 | whwat is madwifi? i have ipw3945 card... |
| 18:40.11 | ringo999 | shouldnt iwlist eth1 scanning list all networks available? |
| 18:40.12 | abrotman | did you get the firmware ? |
| 18:40.26 | h3sp4wn | If it sees 5 networks then the firmware is there |
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| 18:40.35 | stew | ringo999: iwconfig eth1 channel channelnumber essid youressid |
| 18:40.55 | itchi | ringo999: The range is just much more little, depend of if you are on A, B or G |
| 18:40.58 | h3sp4wn | ringo999: what channel are you using ? |
| 18:41.27 | ringo999 | stew: the routers channel is autoselect... |
| 18:41.47 | hark | iwlist eth1 channel |
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| 18:41.49 | itchi | ringo999: You may see it, how faster, how shorter the distance, how slower how higher the range |
| 18:42.00 | stew | ringo999: if you don't know what channel its on, just skip channel channelnumber |
| 18:42.21 | ringo999 | current channel is 0 |
| 18:42.32 | stew | ringo999: current channel of what? |
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| 18:42.37 | stew | ringo999: (there is no such channel) |
| 18:42.39 | ringo999 | of eth1 |
| 18:42.43 | stew | (no matter what public enemy tells you) |
| 18:42.52 | ringo999 | i issued iwlist eth1 channel |
| 18:43.08 | Petrov | \msg chroot |
| 18:43.23 | ringo999 | so what do i do, why doesnt it automatically get the channel? |
| 18:43.35 | stew | ringo999: tell it the channel manually |
| 18:44.05 | ringo999 | stew: but how can i find that out if the router is set to auto, i dont know what channel it broadcasts... |
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| 18:44.58 | stew | ringo999: change it from auto to a definite channel. look on some other machine that is working to see what channel it is on. (liek the one that lists 20 networks). or wait and see if iwlist eventually shows it |
| 18:45.17 | stew | ringo999: afaik, iwlist doesn't list all the available networks, it lists all the networks that have been discovered thus far |
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| 18:45.37 | itchi | ringo999: Just Look On The Router (tm) :-p |
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| 18:45.59 | seth1248 | Is there a debian version or substitute for the perl-pg package? |
| 18:46.01 | ringo999 | itchi: i dont normally have access to the router |
| 18:46.12 | Spec | does debian support/recommend apt-get upgrades? |
| 18:46.27 | itchi | ringo999: Has the router not some RJ45 entries? |
| 18:46.31 | FastPutty | someone could help me when i tried to get the list in the ftp, it said 550 Secure Listing Required |
| 18:46.35 | stew | seth1248: libpg-perl |
| 18:46.36 | FastPutty | i am using ftp-ssl |
| 18:46.50 | itchi | !tell Spec about why aptitude |
| 18:47.00 | stew | Spec: what exactly do you mean? |
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| 18:47.19 | seth1248 | stew: Is libpg-perl the same thing as perl-pg? |
| 18:47.20 | Spec | so aptitude is supported? |
| 18:47.53 | stew | Spec: aptitude and apt-get are supported. of the two, aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
| 18:48.06 | stew | seth1248: what is perl-pg? (apt-cache show libpg-perl) |
| 18:48.31 | snacky | can anyone elaborate on the claim that aptitude is better at resolving dependencies than apt-get? what exactly is the difference? |
| 18:48.50 | ringo999 | itchi: ok i figured it out, its channel 1, lets see if this works |
| 18:48.52 | itchi | My disaster recovery is done! Hestimated loosed time is arround 56 hour, cuch |
| 18:49.24 | itchi | ringo999: What you may look for is the speed, how higher the speed the wifi has, how lower the range ... |
| 18:49.41 | stew | snacky: aptitude will give you many possible solutions to the same problem and rank them, and let you chose from them. apt-get will only attempt to find one. |
| 18:49.43 | itchi | I'm tired :-( |
| 18:49.52 | ringo999 | well, how will i actually see if im connected |
| 18:50.01 | snacky | stew: good answer, thanks |
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| 18:50.25 | ringo999 | do i have to set security mode on iwconfig as well? |
| 18:50.27 | itchi | aptitude has even a tui, for the lazy guys :-p |
| 18:50.34 | Damian_26 | Hola Gente |
| 18:50.35 | itchi | ... like me :-p |
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| 18:50.45 | dto | how do i label a filesystem (for the purposes of making each label correspond to a mountpoint in fstab?) |
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| 18:51.20 | itchi | Read the aptitude manual, the "why aptitude" factoid point to the place of the good beer, check it out |
| 18:51.29 | stew | dto: what filessystem type? |
| 18:52.01 | dto | vfat (these are my various USB Mass Storage devices that i want to make fixed mountpoints for |
| 18:52.01 | HardDisk_WP | does KNetwork manager support profiles? |
| 18:52.12 | HardDisk_WP | I hate it to always having to enter the SSID manually |
| 18:52.21 | greenmang0 | itchi : what is TUI? |
| 18:52.42 | itchi | !tui |
| 18:52.43 | dpkg | [tui] text user interface |
| 18:52.45 | HardDisk_WP | the network doesnt have ssid broadcast - my dad doesnt want hacker's attention |
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| 18:53.11 | petemc | if they're hackers, they wont need the ssid to be broadcast |
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| 18:53.28 | |DuReX| | i'm running latest debian now, and i added a network card, how can i install drivers in the kernel ? |
| 18:53.48 | stew | |DuReX|: modprobe modulename |
| 18:53.50 | itchi | |DuReX|: You want to load the module (driver) |
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| 18:54.09 | seth1248 | stew: Thank's perl-pg ="Pg - libpq-style PostgreSQL database access" and according to aptitude libpg-perl="library enables Perl scripts to communicate with the PostgreSQL database backend. So hopefully libpg-perl will satisfy the perl-pg dependency. |
| 18:54.10 | dto | stew: i still can't figure it out |
| 18:54.21 | |DuReX| | ye itchi |
| 18:54.25 | |DuReX| | how ? :) |
| 18:54.31 | stew | |DuReX|: modprobe modulesname |
| 18:54.35 | itchi | |DuReX|: stew told you ;-) |
| 18:55.03 | |DuReX| | and how to make it auto starts ? |
| 18:55.03 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 18:55.07 | wrathchild | hello all, how can I test my ethernet's throughput? cheers |
| 18:55.10 | stew | |DuReX|: add it to /etc/modules |
| 18:55.12 | dto | ah wait... tune2fs |
| 18:55.25 | stew | dto: thats for ext2/ext3 filesystems |
| 18:55.29 | xingu | dto: mlabel from mtools probably |
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| 18:58.08 | sk4ter | how to modify the sequence of items from the list of emails in the system Xmail Server. |
| 18:58.08 | sk4ter | [(regulate)]: after sending the list I get more and send an email and he do this email skip the waiting. |
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| 18:59.02 | linkslice | stew: me again ;-p they want to know if moving from the stable tree to the testing tree will get them the version of mysql that they need |
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| 19:00.19 | stew | !info mysql-server stable |
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| 19:00.24 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 19:00.40 | stew | linkslice: you don't want the testing tree, you want to upgrade from oldstable to stable, which would get you 5.0.32 |
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| 19:01.13 | stew | linkslice: you are not running the current version of stable, you are running the previous version of stable which was released in 2005 |
| 19:01.39 | linkslice | stew: I mentioned the possibility of going to 5, but they seem a little hell-bent on getting 4.1.13 (they won't tell me why I asked what feature they were looking for) |
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| 19:01.51 | linkslice | stew: so upgrading to stable might be the way to go? |
| 19:02.29 | stew | linkslice: if you need 4.1.13, then you need to make it yourself. oldstable (which you are currently running) has 4.0 and 4.1.11, stable, has 5.0.32 |
| 19:02.40 | stew | linkslice: upgrading to stable would be no help at all in this case |
| 19:03.16 | abrotman | unless 5.x is better than 4.x |
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| 19:03.26 | FastPutty | someone could help me when i tried to get the list in the ftp, it said 550 Secure Listing Required, i am using ftp-ssl |
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| 19:04.38 | SpeedyG | wols_: earlier today you told me to use apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 (or at least some k7 kernel image) , am I correct if I use the !source stuff dpkg tells? |
| 19:05.20 | linkslice | stew: is there a page I can point them to so they can see that I'm not making it up? |
| 19:05.25 | abrotman | there is no apt-get source for kernel packages |
| 19:05.33 | stew | linkslice: http://packages.debian.org/mysql-server |
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| 19:05.43 | SpeedyG | abrotman: then why does it work? :/ |
| 19:06.05 | wols_ | SpeedyG: restate your question |
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| 19:06.39 | stew | linkslice: there is a mysql-server-4.1 package in stable but it is NOT actually mysql 4.1, it is just a transitional package that is there to force 4.1 users to upgrade to 5.0 when they upgrade to etch |
| 19:06.49 | abrotman | SpeedyG: i just told you why |
| 19:06.50 | SpeedyG | wols_: you told me to get the source of a k7 kernel. using apt-get source. because I had to adjust a few things for my tv-tuner card |
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| 19:06.56 | abrotman | SpeedyG: get the linux-source package |
| 19:07.09 | |DuReX| | looks like it doesn't run forcedeth :( |
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| 19:07.10 | |DuReX| | damned |
| 19:07.10 | wols_ | abrotman: that one he has to configure himself and he doesn't know how |
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| 19:07.20 | abrotman | then wtf is apt-get source linux-image for ? |
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| 19:07.51 | SpeedyG | wols_: I don know how to configure a kernel.. I just tend to make lots of mistakes doing so :/ |
| 19:07.53 | ringo9991 | are there any changes using iwconfig when i switch from wep to wap? |
| 19:07.53 | wols_ | you get the exact source for THAT particular kernel. cpu optimizations and all |
| 19:08.07 | wols_ | SpeedyG: I still don't understand your question |
| 19:08.16 | stew | and the source for every flavor of i386 kernel, and you get to build them all |
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| 19:08.37 | SpeedyG | wols_: if I ask dpkg (the bot) about source, it gives me a few things to do with the source, and before running apt-get source |
| 19:08.51 | wols_ | SpeedyG: you simply dpkg-buildpackage it |
| 19:09.00 | wols_ | that creates a .deb which you can install via dpkg -i |
| 19:09.14 | stew | that will take days and create tons of packages he doens't need |
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| 19:09.29 | abrotman | there's no way this is going to end well |
| 19:09.50 | SpeedyG | abrotman: what would you suggest? download a stock kernel from kernel.org and recompile it manually? |
| 19:09.52 | wols_ | abrotman: he managed to compile a krenel before. unfortunately without support for >1GB RAM |
| 19:09.56 | stew | something tells me he doesn't want to install all the vserver and xen kernels for 386 and 686 |
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| 19:10.08 | abrotman | SpeedyG: no way jose .. i'm staying out of this! :) |
| 19:10.11 | wols_ | SpeedyG: I already told you what to do |
| 19:10.12 | |DuReX| | i did modprobe forcedeth, lsmod show it, but i don't have any nic :( |
| 19:10.23 | wols_ | dutche_: what does dmesg say? |
| 19:10.25 | SpeedyG | wols_: I know, I just want to know if there are any good alternatives ?:) |
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| 19:10.40 | FastPutty | someone could help me when i tried to get the list in the ftp, it said 550 Secure Listing Required, i am using ftp-ssl |
| 19:10.40 | petrov_ | hello, can anybody tell me how to install gcc version 4.2.1 in a debian sid? i have now version gcc-4.2.2 thanks |
| 19:10.41 | wols_ | SpeedyG: yes. use a debian kernel. something you don't want to. your choice |
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| 19:10.51 | stew | SpeedyG: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 ; that will install a tarball in /usr/src. untar it, and cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/.config ; then cd to that directory and "make menuconfig" make the changes you want, then /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 19:11.35 | SpeedyG | stew: thanks :) at least that way is a way I do understand ;) this apt-get source stuff is kinda weird |
| 19:11.36 | stew | SpeedyG: following wols_ method you are going to build more than 10 kernels and their corresponding -headers packages when you really only want to build one |
| 19:11.39 | itchi | petrov_: Running vmware server i guess?? |
| 19:11.41 | jahshua | has anyone here gotten vmware to work on a sid/2.6.22-2 kernel? |
| 19:11.48 | codestr0m | I'm trying to track down the license for /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/fonts/Arial.ttf which is being included when I install sun-jdk.. that font isn't part of the .bin file and wonder if it's legally being included/where it's coming from.. thanks |
| 19:11.49 | hark | |DuReX|: check with ifconfig -a |
| 19:11.58 | Mohjive | anyone have a good resource for dpkg dependency format and/or apt dependency resolution mechanism (besides reading the source) |
| 19:11.59 | petrov_ | itchi:yes!! |
| 19:11.59 | |DuReX| | no eth is shown :s |
| 19:12.18 | itchi | petrov_: You may take a look to that any-any vmware patch |
| 19:12.20 | wols_ | dutche_: I asked you something |
| 19:12.26 | wols_ | DURgod: ^^ |
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| 19:12.43 | itchi | petrov_: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/ |
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| 19:12.54 | wols_ | SpeedyG: with apt-get source for the k7 kernel it builds 10 kernels? |
| 19:12.57 | jahshua | petrov_: are you trying to install vmware too?! |
| 19:13.07 | petrov_ | yes |
| 19:13.11 | jahshua | so am i, haha. |
| 19:13.12 | SpeedyG | wols_: dont ask me, i've never done that before |
| 19:13.13 | itchi | petrov_: I guess you may first recompile a kernel with the current gcc version |
| 19:13.13 | supaman | hey, I just installed w32codecs from debian-multimedia but still no playing of .mov files or stuff like that in totem .. how to fix this? |
| 19:13.17 | wols_ | stew: ^^ |
| 19:13.18 | jahshua | i have had no luck. ;/ |
| 19:13.30 | petrov_ | im not alone!!! |
| 19:13.31 | stew | wols_: yes |
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| 19:13.57 | jahshua | i am also using sid, which is causing problems with modules and my kernel.. |
| 19:14.04 | stew | wols_: it would build all the packages listed by "apt-cache showsrc linux-2.6 | grep Binary" |
| 19:14.07 | JordiGH | supaman: .mov is an Apple thing, not a Microsoft thing. |
| 19:14.18 | petrov_ | which kernel do you have? |
| 19:14.23 | linkslice | stew: thanks again! |
| 19:14.28 | jahshua | 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 19:14.38 | supaman | JordiGH: ok .. but I still cant play microsoft streams |
| 19:14.40 | stew | wols_: it would build all the packages listed by "apt-cache showsrc linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 | grep Binary" |
| 19:15.07 | SpeedyG | stew: wow :| |
| 19:15.10 | petrov_ | mine is 2.6.22.9 |
| 19:15.17 | JordiGH | supaman: Really? You can't play a wmv movie? |
| 19:15.32 | stew | well only the i386 versions, but you get the idea |
| 19:15.34 | supaman | JordiGH: I am actually trying to play a radio stream ... |
| 19:15.47 | jahshua | petrov_: are you using sid also? |
| 19:16.08 | petrov_ | jahsua: yes |
| 19:16.11 | jahshua | heh |
| 19:16.13 | JordiGH | supaman: Hm, try xine. |
| 19:16.15 | supaman | JordiGH: think it is because totem is not finding the .dll's w32codecs installed |
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| 19:16.37 | jahshua | wierd, we are both trying to do the same thing, in the same channel, at the same time, looking for the same help. |
| 19:16.41 | jahshua | haha |
| 19:16.57 | itchi | jahshua: aptitude install help :-p |
| 19:17.02 | jahshua | :P |
| 19:17.05 | JordiGH | supaman: No, w32codecs doesn't contain any dll's. |
| 19:17.12 | SpeedyG | stew: this whole question started with a tv-tuner card that needs some adjustments at kernel-level, and me discovering that the kernel I compiled succesfully didnt support more than 850MB mem, it was a debian 486-kernel |
| 19:17.28 | supaman | JordiGH: uhh .. yes it does |
| 19:17.40 | petrov_ | so, it is not possible to downgrade to another gcc version?? |
| 19:17.43 | supaman | JordiGH: dpkg -L w32codecs shows a lot of them |
| 19:17.46 | stew | SpeedyG: if you use a -686 or a -k7 it would support up to 4gigs or so |
| 19:17.51 | jahshua | petrov_: i downgraded my gcc .. |
| 19:17.59 | jahshua | it still wouldn't work. |
| 19:18.01 | stew | SpeedyG: what kind of adjustments does the tv-tuner need? |
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| 19:18.15 | SpeedyG | stew: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Color_problem_patch <= that little adjustment :/ |
| 19:18.21 | DsXack | Excuse, will not prompt? Whether there are rooms debian for Russian users? |
| 19:18.22 | JordiGH | supaman: Right. Sorry. I typoed when displaying the package. |
| 19:18.26 | flurdoing | can anyone point me to a howto for installing xserver for use exclusively by remote xwindows clients? |
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| 19:18.28 | petrov_ | tell me how you did it and i wil try it |
| 19:18.32 | SpeedyG | but it improved the colors damn much |
| 19:18.40 | guiton | hi ! |
| 19:18.47 | supaman | JordiGH: no worries ;) |
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| 19:19.03 | petrov_ | i have now gcc-4.2.3 |
| 19:19.11 | jahshua | petrov_: i just did locate gcc and then i did apt-get remove gccf00 until i had just regular gcc .. |
| 19:19.17 | jahshua | i think it was 4.1 ,, |
| 19:19.28 | supaman | JordiGH: huu ... xine handles it fine |
| 19:19.34 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 19:19.49 | stew | DsXack: #debian-russian |
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| 19:19.50 | hark | |DuReX|: lspci -n | grep 0200 |
| 19:19.54 | petrov_ | so you have now 4.2.1 installed? |
| 19:19.55 | SpeedyG | stew: what I do wonder about, is why this netinstall automatically installed a 486 kernel, and not an amdk7-kernel |
| 19:20.04 | itchi | petrov_: You may recompile the kernel with the gcc version you may have, that's the best/easiest solution |
| 19:20.04 | guiton | does someone knows something about vmware ?? |
| 19:20.19 | stew | SpeedyG: becuase 486 will work on all the machines that -k7 will work on, and more |
| 19:20.34 | itchi | petrov_: Take that .config of the running kernel you have, recompile it. Believe it, it's peace of cake |
| 19:20.37 | petrov_ | i dont know how to do it at the moment, is it difficult? |
| 19:20.46 | DsXack | stew, Thanks |
| 19:20.48 | SpeedyG | stew: hm, too bad it doesnt give you a choice in regular install |
| 19:20.49 | stew | petrov_: what are you trying to compile? |
| 19:20.59 | itchi | petrov_: Realy not, just follow the procedure |
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| 19:21.28 | petrov_ | stew: vmware server |
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| 19:21.33 | itchi | stew: He want to install vmware, he's (maybe) on the way to recompile the kernel |
| 19:21.59 | itchi | petrov_: Anyway, running vmware will be best on a stabe release |
| 19:22.23 | itchi | petrov_: I should avoid to run it on sid ;-) |
| 19:22.34 | petrov_ | itchi: yes, sure. i just wanted to try it, virtualbox is very good anyway |
| 19:23.06 | guiton | i've installed vmware ! |
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| 19:23.17 | hark | petrov_: use vmware-package if on lenny/sid |
| 19:23.19 | petrov_ | the thing is that i cannot install solaris in virtualbox, but winxp goes perfect |
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| 19:23.22 | jahshua | petrov_: now i have returned to the original .. gcc (GCC) 4.2.3 20071014 (prerelease) (Debian 4.2.2-3) |
| 19:23.22 | guiton | but drivers missed !! |
| 19:24.00 | itchi | petrov_: Forget about solaris ;-) |
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| 19:24.12 | jahshua | hark: vmware-package did not work for me .. on sid. |
| 19:24.31 | petrov_ | itchi: haha, what distro do you recommend? |
| 19:24.47 | itchi | petrov_: Debian! |
| 19:24.55 | jahshua | itchi: if i apt-get remove the current kernel i am running and apt-get install it again, is that the same as recompiling it? |
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| 19:24.57 | guiton | debian powaaaa ! |
| 19:25.06 | itchi | jahshua: Don't remove a working kernel! |
| 19:25.21 | jahshua | ya, i know... i did it last night though, haha. :O |
| 19:25.27 | jahshua | but then i reinstalled. |
| 19:25.32 | itchi | jahshua: At least, if you not yet have another working one, just remove the older ones and always keep another working one, in case of ... |
| 19:25.43 | jahshua | yeh, i have working ones. |
| 19:25.47 | stew | jahshua: don't ever remove the currently running kenrel. and no, that wouldn't recompile it |
| 19:25.53 | jahshua | hmm |
| 19:25.56 | SpeedyG | itchi: removing a working kernel was great fun.. we got our teacher pretty stressed out on that matter :D |
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| 19:26.01 | simonrvn | the itchi and scratchi show |
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| 19:26.39 | itchi | jahshua: No, recompiling is fetching the source, build it (compile). Your talking about binaries (pre compiled) kernels. There seems to be build for an older/newer gcc version |
| 19:26.43 | jahshua | stew: if i were to apt-get remove it, and then downgrade my gcc to 4.1 and then apt-get install the kernel again, wouldnt it compile it with gcc 4.1 ? |
| 19:26.47 | itchi | simonrvn: :-p |
| 19:26.54 | simonrvn | itchi: :) |
| 19:26.55 | stew | jahshua: no, apt-get installing a kernel doesn't compile anything |
| 19:26.57 | jahshua | itchi: ahhhh i understand. |
| 19:27.03 | jahshua | stew: yes, got it now. |
| 19:27.05 | jahshua | thanks |
| 19:27.06 | jahshua | hehe |
| 19:27.11 | jahshua | ok, so i need a guide |
| 19:27.12 | stew | jahshua: why would you want a kernel compiled with 4.1? |
| 19:27.19 | jahshua | for kernel compiling in debian. |
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| 19:27.28 | petrov_ | stew: to see if vmware works |
| 19:27.30 | stew | jahshua: why do you want kernel compiling in debian? |
| 19:27.33 | jahshua | stew: because vmware needs one to work apparently. |
| 19:27.42 | stew | ugh |
| 19:27.46 | ShadowMajestic | any java decompilers? |
| 19:27.48 | jahshua | ;) |
| 19:28.07 | SpeedyG | afaik, you'd only need the kernel-header files for the current kernel.. and then install vmware (at least, thats what i've done last time I needed vmware) |
| 19:28.08 | HardDisk_WP | anyone having a working 2.6.23 kconfig? |
| 19:28.08 | itchi | You may run stable anyway, forget about Sid please :-p |
| 19:28.19 | ShadowMajestic | mmeh |
| 19:28.26 | stew | ShadowMajestic: javap |
| 19:28.44 | stew | ShadowMajestic: well that is a disassempler not a decompiler |
| 19:28.54 | itchi | You are messing because you're running a development release heh. Have fun! :-p |
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| 19:29.36 | petrov_ | itchi: you have stable version? |
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| 19:29.53 | itchi | petrov_: Servers, yes, testing for workstations. |
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| 19:30.35 | sepen | hey! |
| 19:31.02 | sepen | hamm works really fine on my 4megs laptop |
| 19:31.05 | itchi | petrov_: But with testing, you may be faced at the same problem heh |
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| 19:31.45 | petrov_ | itchi: yes sure |
| 19:31.52 | jahshua | how difficult is it to go back from sid to etch? |
| 19:32.03 | itchi | jahshua: Herinstall |
| 19:32.15 | itchi | jahshua: There's no way of downgrades |
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| 19:32.18 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 19:32.24 | sepen | abrotman, really fine! by using dselect with older hamm mirrors http://paste.lisp.org/display/49211 thnkz! |
| 19:32.28 | Haris | How do I modify the date/time on cli in etch? |
| 19:32.48 | petrov_ | jahshua: did you try virtualbox?? |
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| 19:32.54 | jahshua | no |
| 19:32.59 | itchi | petrov_ & jahshua : Sid will be perfect to run in you're virtual system |
| 19:33.06 | abrotman | that's sick! |
| 19:33.21 | abrotman | itchi: don't do that |
| 19:33.28 | itchi | At least, not running Sid on your main PC |
| 19:33.31 | petrov_ | try it, youll be surprised |
| 19:33.32 | Haris | How does one set the date on cli? |
| 19:33.39 | stew | Haris: man date |
| 19:33.51 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, i know, but for experimenting that will be nice. These runs Sid right now. Do you understand what i mean? :-p |
| 19:33.54 | stew | Haris: but it would be recommended to install "ntp" to keep you clock in sync automatically |
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| 19:33.57 | Haris | it talks about the formats date can show date in |
| 19:34.13 | stew | Haris: yeah, that's the one i'm talking about |
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| 19:34.29 | petrov_ | itchi: thats what im doing now |
| 19:34.30 | jahshua | itchi: i understand your point, but in my experience, for what i use my laptop for, sid has rarely ever given me any problems. |
| 19:34.33 | itchi | Haris: date -s 21:40 |
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| 19:35.14 | itchi | jahshua: Yeah, but it will give you one when you're not awaiting it and when the problem should not be happend :-) |
| 19:35.32 | jahshua | and it always something funny and small like this but i don't really mind because i think its okay to pay the price to run sid because i like it. |
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| 19:35.37 | jahshua | itchi: what do you mean? |
| 19:35.39 | itchi | Haris: See the /msg dpkg fish ;-) |
| 19:36.00 | Haris | lol @ fish |
| 19:36.07 | Haris | !fish |
| 19:36.07 | dpkg | somebody said fish was FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 19:36.29 | itchi | jahshua: You may be lost one day. THE trouble you go to get when i.e. you are at your friends home, need to burn a thing and are unable to boot your system up because of problem ... |
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| 19:36.52 | FastPutty | someone could help me when i tried to get the list in the ftp, it said 550 Secure Listing Required, i am using ftp-ssl |
| 19:36.58 | itchi | Haris: Cause stew want to teach you ;-) He is good |
| 19:37.01 | jahshua | ah well, in that case i just reinstall. |
| 19:37.02 | jahshua | :) |
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| 19:37.05 | jahshua | i have backups. |
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| 19:37.37 | itchi | FastPutty: Have you rights to list the directory? |
| 19:37.37 | theatro | FastPutty, what is the command you give? |
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| 19:38.15 | jahshua | i wonder.. does vmware work on etch okay? |
| 19:38.40 | Haris | date -s 16 %d does fishy stuff |
| 19:38.43 | itchi | jahshua: You may ask that on #vmware too. I not have any troubles here |
| 19:38.51 | Haris | date [OPTION]... [+FORMAT] |
| 19:38.57 | maxamillion | jahshua: yes, i know someone who uses it ... but i recommend virtualbox instead .... www.virtualbox.org <-- they have a etch package and an etch repo if you prefer and its open source, enjoy :) |
| 19:38.58 | Haris | date -s 16 +%d that is |
| 19:39.28 | maher | can i get debian passwd/shadow to use blowfish instead of (or) md5? |
| 19:39.44 | itchi | virtualbox is very easy to install, same interface as vmware and is much slower too, but i guess you don't care :-p |
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| 19:40.42 | maxamillion | itchi: well, its a little slower yes ... but it gets the job done ... and i'm a fan of it |
| 19:40.44 | Tramp | maher: passwords are hashed, not encrypted |
| 19:40.51 | itchi | maxamillion: Yeah sure |
| 19:40.57 | maxamillion | :) |
| 19:41.01 | itchi | maxamillion: Even tried to do an LFS on it? :-) |
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| 19:41.17 | maxamillion | itchi: no, can't say i have tried that .... is it horribly slow? |
| 19:41.18 | petrov_ | jahshua: vmware works on etch |
| 19:41.27 | Haris | How about the timezone? |
| 19:41.30 | maher | Tramp: i want to migrate a bunch of users from freebsd to debian - the freebsd passwords seem to be crypted with blowfish (they all start $2) |
| 19:41.38 | Haris | aha! /etc/timezone |
| 19:41.43 | stew | Haris: tzselect |
| 19:41.46 | itchi | maxamillion: Compared to vmware-server, yeah, realy |
| 19:41.59 | itchi | maxamillion: There is a little "speed" test, hold on |
| 19:42.21 | Haris | Bingo! |
| 19:42.46 | maxamillion | itchi: oh .... :( ... i only use it for little stuff |
| 19:42.51 | maxamillion | ah! ... i gotta go |
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| 19:43.22 | itchi | See the http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter05/binutils-pass1.html NOTE the SBU stuff |
| 19:43.45 | Haris | hmm |
| 19:43.50 | itchi | Sorry for the caps :-s |
| 19:43.53 | Haris | tzselect didn't change the timezone, just showed it |
| 19:44.14 | Haris | I still show the EDT timezone in date's output |
| 19:44.20 | SpeedyG | Haris: tzconfig |
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| 19:45.16 | Tramp | maher: ah, ok. Indeed they use blowfish to hash. To my knowledge this is not supported. |
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| 19:45.30 | Haris | Now, it works |
| 19:45.35 | maher | Tramp: i found it - libpam-unix2 |
| 19:45.58 | bazz | when i plug in a usb mouse and then unplug it, my xserver stops emulating a 3 button mouse (the usb mouse has a clickable scrollwheel). is there a way i can get back into that mode so i can middle click without restarting my xserver? |
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| 19:46.12 | Tramp | maher: cute 8) |
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| 19:49.55 | AbsintheSyringe | my vmware installation stops at "For proper build you'll have to replace gcc-4.1 -m32 with symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc. Stop." any ideas? |
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| 19:50.12 | stew | who the hell declared today vmware day? |
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| 19:50.27 | itchi | stew: Yeah! :-p |
| 19:50.30 | Haris | lol |
| 19:50.30 | xand | !vmware |
| 19:50.30 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 19:50.41 | Haris | AbsintheSyringe: #vmware |
| 19:50.54 | AbsintheSyringe | I've go virtualbox, but it wont read any of my usb-s |
| 19:51.32 | itchi | AbsintheSyringe: Anyway, on #vmware, there a much more specialised and some used Debian |
| 19:51.44 | itchi | are* |
| 19:51.52 | AbsintheSyringe | k tnx |
| 19:51.57 | jahshua | ok, so i have vbox done, how do i add a user to an existing group? |
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| 19:52.30 | stew | jahshua: adduser username group |
| 19:52.39 | jahshua | thank you. |
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| 19:54.37 | Haris | fbsd doens't have the adduser script |
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| 19:54.48 | Haris | quite a thing, when I first discovered it |
| 19:54.53 | Haris | I had to use pw to do it |
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| 19:56.04 | rocketmagnet | does someone know if ff has an option to set the max execution time of a flash script ? when i upload many files i get multiple dialogs that ask me to stop the script because of long execution |
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| 19:56.43 | wols_ | are you sure those aren't php messages? |
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| 19:57.22 | stew | they aren't |
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| 19:57.55 | rocketmagnet | wols_: no, it's because of the flash upload script |
| 19:57.57 | rocketmagnet | if you mean me |
| 19:58.00 | jahshua | hmm how do i list the users on the system? i cant remember the name of the vbox users group.. heh |
| 19:58.46 | hark | vboxusers |
| 19:58.52 | jahshua | ah yeh |
| 19:58.53 | jahshua | thanks |
| 20:00.43 | kenjy | how can I know the total size of a hard disk ? |
| 20:01.21 | FastPutty | is there a free ftp client allowing auth ssl ? thanks you |
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| 20:01.22 | aboyzz | df -h |
| 20:01.29 | qrck | what's it with hald to be reconfigured and restarted again and again on dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:01.31 | hark | rocketmagnet: try adjusting dom.max_script_run_time |
| 20:01.37 | stew | kenjy: fdisk -l |
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| 20:01.54 | kenjy | stew: in MB not in bytes |
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| 20:02.23 | stew | kenjy: take tha number and divide by 1 million |
| 20:02.30 | rocketmagnet | hark: is this for flash scripts also ? |
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| 20:02.40 | rocketmagnet | have found the option, i'll give it a try |
| 20:03.07 | kenjy | stew ¬¬ |
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| 20:03.24 | stew | kenjy: fdisk -k will list it in GB too, you can take that number and multipy by 1000 |
| 20:03.34 | stew | kenjy: err, fdisk -l, not fdisk -k |
| 20:03.55 | kenjy | stew: how can I know what kind of HD I have? |
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| 20:04.12 | kenjy | stew: how can I know if I have scsi or a sata? |
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| 20:04.19 | stew | kenjy: check dmesg |
| 20:04.37 | hark | rocketmagnet: oh, didn't read the 'flash' script there :) |
| 20:04.42 | stew | kenjy: does your machine have a scsi controller? |
| 20:04.49 | kenjy | stew its a remote server |
| 20:05.02 | stew | kenjy: does your remove server have a scsi controller listed in "lspci"? |
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| 20:05.07 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 20:05.29 | stew | kenjy: or "dmesg | grep sda" |
| 20:05.35 | kenjy | stew: yes it have a scsi controler but it can have a sata any way |
| 20:05.40 | FastPutty | is there a free ftp client allowing auth ssl ? thanks you |
| 20:05.44 | stew | kenjy: does it have a sata controller? |
| 20:05.55 | kenjy | stew: yes |
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| 20:06.15 | Polarina | I have looked through the FAQ and the documentation but I can't seem to figure out how to switch to 'testing' from 'stable', so I could, for example, upgrade to GNOME 2.20. |
| 20:06.25 | Polarina | How do I do that? |
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| 20:06.56 | kenjy | stew: any way to know? |
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| 20:06.57 | stew | Polarina: switching to testing wouldn't get you 2.20 |
| 20:07.04 | stew | kenjy: did you try dmesg? |
| 20:07.12 | Polarina | stew: Or anyting above GNOME 2.14. |
| 20:07.24 | stew | Polarina: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:07.50 | SexyKen | Hey guys, does anyone know what an rndc key is, in named.conf |
| 20:08.50 | stew | SexyKen: it is a shared secret beteen the dncp server and the clients running rndc which is used to prove that the client is allowed to do whatever he is trying to do with the server |
| 20:08.54 | Haris | SexyKen: google it. You'll get tons of docs |
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| 20:09.15 | stew | SexyKen: err, dns server, not 'dncp' |
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| 20:13.32 | kenjy | no way to know the kind of hard disk? |
| 20:14.00 | stew | kenjy: did you try dmesg? |
| 20:14.09 | kenjy | stew yes |
| 20:14.21 | stew | kenjy: it would be there when the machine boots |
| 20:14.23 | kenjy | root@www:/etc/httpd# dmesg |grep sda |
| 20:14.23 | kenjy | root@www:/etc/httpd# |
| 20:14.30 | kenjy | stew: I can't reboot the server |
| 20:15.18 | stew | kenjy: is sda the hard drive you are insterested in? |
| 20:15.18 | snacky | sdparm/hdparm can tell you what kind of hard disk |
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| 20:15.43 | kenjy | yes stew |
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| 20:16.01 | stew | kenjy: lshal should also tell you the model |
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| 20:16.58 | stew | kenjy: something like lshal | grep -A 30 sda | grep model |
| 20:17.00 | kenjy | I don't have lshal |
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| 20:17.16 | ServerSide | hi here |
| 20:17.27 | ServerSide | i've a problem with debian install : |
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| 20:17.44 | stew | kenjy: how about hal-device instead of lshal |
| 20:17.44 | ServerSide | the install don't find any mirror |
| 20:18.26 | stew | nah, lshal and hal-device are in the same package |
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| 20:18.41 | Haris | kenjy: Try less /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:18.44 | Shifty | hi all |
| 20:18.57 | Shifty | where can i find a tut or howto to setup a irc server? |
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| 20:19.09 | Ace2016 | hI ALL |
| 20:19.14 | Ronin | Shifty: why do you need that headache? :) |
| 20:19.15 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:19.19 | Haris | Shifty: One needs a tutorial/howto to do that? |
| 20:19.32 | Ace2016 | anyone here run xgl? i need to get it, but its not in the repo (running sid) |
| 20:19.41 | Ace2016 | tried compiling myself, it failed |
| 20:19.49 | stew | Ace2016: why do you need xgl? can't you use aiglx? |
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| 20:20.06 | Shifty | Haris: what? |
| 20:20.10 | war | Anyone here notice with Xorg 7.2/7.3 when you double click in an xterm it selects URLs much faster than previous? For instance, a double click is normally select a word, but it seems so sensitive it now 'triple clicks'-- it selects the entire line instead of the URL? |
| 20:20.15 | stew | Haris: yes, it is certainly not easy to do |
| 20:20.27 | Haris | stew: I'v never found it a challenge |
| 20:20.34 | Haris | Shifty: Which one are you installing? |
| 20:20.43 | Shifty | and i dont know anything about it |
| 20:20.53 | Shifty | Haris: wich are possible?!?? |
| 20:21.01 | Haris | Shifty: Google for ircd |
| 20:21.06 | Polarina | stew: This isn't working.. |
| 20:21.08 | Shifty | k |
| 20:21.20 | stew | Shifty: "apt-cache showpkg ircd" will show you the ones in debian |
| 20:21.46 | Shifty | ok thx stew |
| 20:21.59 | Ronin | Shifty: just curious, why do you want to do that? |
| 20:22.13 | Shifty | Ronin: only 4 testing |
| 20:22.31 | Haris | There's quake ircd, bahamur (dalnet's server), then there's unrealird, hybrid, the list is long |
| 20:22.33 | hark | war: /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm , uncomment charClass near the end for url double click selection |
| 20:22.36 | Haris | bahamut+ |
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| 20:22.40 | xlotlu | Ace2016: had the same problem and gave up... not sure if it's in the xgl code or in the debian x11proto-render-dev |
| 20:22.46 | Haris | intall anope with any ircd |
| 20:22.48 | Ace2016 | i have an nvidia card, i want compiz fusion, tried installing from repos and my compiled version, window borders do not show up, compiz from git needs x11-xcb which debian does not have so i was forced to install a new version of libx11 to /usr/local with xcb enabled, then the compiz from git compiles but refuses to run, therefore the only way i know it works is on xgl so now i'm trying to install xgl |
| 20:22.49 | Haris | and its odne |
| 20:22.51 | Haris | done+ |
| 20:23.11 | hark | Ace2016: you don't want xgl |
| 20:23.15 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 20:23.17 | war | hark: checking |
| 20:23.18 | Haris | install+ |
| 20:23.28 | xlotlu | Ace2016: join #compiz-fusion |
| 20:23.32 | Shifty | whats the diffrence between ircd-ircu and ircd-hybrid? |
| 20:23.38 | Ace2016 | i used it perfectly in ubuntu for about a 6months to a year and it worked perfectly |
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| 20:23.47 | stew | Haris: what is anope? |
| 20:23.47 | war | hark: do i need to restart X or anything? |
| 20:23.48 | xlotlu | hark: i actually want xgl (now running aiglx) |
| 20:23.49 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: You could use rpath to make sure it uses the version in /usr/local |
| 20:23.53 | itchi | war: Have you tried with that other mouse there? You asked this question yesterday or so, if i'm right |
| 20:24.09 | Haris | stew: IRC services -> cs, ns, bs |
| 20:24.11 | Ace2016 | i'll go look up rpath |
| 20:24.13 | Haris | ms |
| 20:24.28 | war | itchi: it has been the same mouse for 6-7 years, the button is fine etc, i could try to boot knoppix older X but no did not try a diff mouse |
| 20:24.30 | Haris | chanserv, nickserv, botserv, memoserv, helpserv, bla bla |
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| 20:24.57 | Haris | operserv |
| 20:25.02 | Haris | is my favourite :p |
| 20:25.05 | Haris | haha! |
| 20:25.10 | hark | war: xrdb -merge it. restart xterm then |
| 20:25.20 | war | k |
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| 20:25.41 | war | will have to give it at ry in a bit, thx, hark how did you know exactly where to look so quickly? |
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| 20:27.11 | war | hark: ? |
| 20:27.21 | hark | war: i use it myself :) |
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| 20:27.52 | war | oh |
| 20:27.54 | Shifty | Mem: 2075964k total, 2029932k used, 46032k free, <--- wtf... whats the problem of my server (output from top) |
| 20:28.12 | Haris | Shifty: use free |
| 20:28.28 | neotic | Shifty: it's cached? |
| 20:28.32 | chops | Shifty: What do you believe is the problem of your server? A low number in "free" is normal. |
| 20:28.33 | Haris | Shifty: memory is taken up by cache, its not used up |
| 20:28.36 | stew | Shifty: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 20:28.41 | rootwired | can someone help me with sshd in a chroot? |
| 20:28.46 | xlotlu | anyone using evdev for mouse with x.org 7.3? |
| 20:28.51 | Shifty | ok |
| 20:28.52 | Shifty | mom |
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| 20:28.59 | chops | !anyone |
| 20:29.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:29.11 | xand | stew is Shifty's mother?! |
| 20:29.25 | pacomachito | wenasss |
| 20:29.25 | Shifty | mom = moment |
| 20:29.33 | Shifty | -.- |
| 20:29.43 | xand | ent == null? |
| 20:29.44 | pacomachito | alguien me puede ayudar?no se como instalar mi webcam robbie 2.0 |
| 20:29.47 | xand | !es |
| 20:29.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:29.51 | chops | Shifty: Try "sec" if you would prefer that people understand you :-) |
| 20:29.59 | horde | sorry to bother...is there a command to debug lib call? i remember its LIB=debug something..anyone knows the actual command? |
| 20:30.04 | streuner | xand: /whois ... |
| 20:30.12 | Shifty | ok :D sry iam from swiss ^^ |
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| 20:30.20 | xand | streuner: what? |
| 20:30.24 | Shifty | swiss... maybe switzerland? |
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| 20:31.05 | streuner | xand: s(he) is already in #ubuntu-es |
| 20:31.22 | xand | streuner: so that's a reason to speak spanish here? |
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| 20:31.38 | Shifty | bash: ircd-hybrid: command not found <--- but i installed it :/ |
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| 20:31.41 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | hi guys |
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| 20:31.47 | streuner | xand: why do you asking me, how should i know? :-) |
| 20:31.58 | xand | streuner: you mentioned it :P |
| 20:32.11 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | is anyone of you guys familiar with the "networkmanager applet" of gnome |
| 20:32.29 | Polarina | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: What about the girls? |
| 20:32.30 | stew | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: many people are, just ask your real question |
| 20:32.31 | hark | Shifty: /usr/sbin/ircd-hybrid |
| 20:32.36 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | my question is |
| 20:32.37 | Shifty | k |
| 20:32.38 | xand | I'd say !an... but cba |
| 20:32.39 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | it doesnt work anymore ^^ |
| 20:32.40 | Shifty | thx HardDisk_WP |
| 20:32.42 | Shifty | ups |
| 20:32.45 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | it say "no network" |
| 20:32.47 | Shifty | thx hark ^^ |
| 20:32.55 | HardDisk_WP | np^^ |
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| 20:32.58 | stew | EOL|DL|Rage_nox: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 20:33.21 | SexyKen | How does one show packages that are installed that include apache in the name |
| 20:33.30 | chops | SexyKen: dpkg -l '*apache*' | grep ^ii |
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| 20:34.55 | rajappan | is there a way to improve apt download speed |
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| 20:35.16 | Polarina | rajappan: Switch to ISDN from dial-up? |
| 20:35.29 | HardDisk_WP | how do I configure dual monitor? |
| 20:35.37 | HardDisk_WP | my notebook has a vga output |
| 20:35.38 | EOL|DL|Rage_nox | stew: thx |
| 20:35.58 | rajappan | but download managers are faster than apt ;) |
| 20:36.00 | hark | Shifty: np, but you'd probably want etc/init.d/ircd-hybrid . read /usr/share/doc/ircd-hybrid/README* |
| 20:36.10 | stew | rajappan: switch to a faster mirror then |
| 20:36.19 | Shifty | k thx hark |
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| 20:36.28 | Polarina | rajappan: I'm hoping you understand the difference between download managers and apt. |
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| 20:36.51 | rajappan | but i get better speeds when using the same mirror with download managers. |
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| 20:37.14 | Polarina | rajappan: Download managers and apt aren't the same thing. |
| 20:37.18 | stew | rajappan: probably becuase it is downloading with multiple threads at once, whereas apt isn't |
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| 20:37.24 | cgtech | i am trying to use helpmeict, and it requres the pear php module. I have installed it through apt and configure php.ini to have the include path, and i still get "DB Error: extension not found" |
| 20:37.24 | stew | rajappan: are you using http or ftp? |
| 20:37.28 | rajappan | is there a way to make apt use these download managers |
| 20:37.30 | twobitsprite | I added an nfs mount to my fstab, but it doesn't mount at boot... do I need to and an option... all I have right now is "defaults" |
| 20:37.31 | stew | rajappan: no |
| 20:37.37 | rajappan | http |
| 20:37.44 | stew | rajappan: find a faster mirror |
| 20:37.55 | rajappan | thanx |
| 20:38.34 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Why doesn't it mount at boot? What's your fstab entry? |
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| 20:38.54 | stew | there is debtorrent, but I'd expect that to still be doing much worse than http |
| 20:38.54 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: signetapp:/vol/vol1 /netapp/vol1 nfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 20:39.44 | cgtech | i am trying to use helpmeict, and it requres the pear php module. I have installed it through apt and configure php.ini to have the include path, and i still get "DB Error: extension not found" | if there are any odd steps to get pear working with apache2 i would appreciate the help |
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| 20:40.28 | creature | Hello. How do I stop a module being loaded at boot? |
| 20:40.33 | stew | cgtech: "DB Error" sounds like you need something like php5-mysql not pear |
| 20:40.43 | stew | creature: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:40.48 | Polarina | creature: I would slap that module around the face, or simply delete it. :) |
| 20:41.12 | creature | I'll go with stew's suggestion, thanks. :) |
| 20:41.29 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: does that look right to you? |
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| 20:41.46 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Hm. I think "defaults" isn't enough. At one point, I read exports(5) and decided that "rw,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14" was the right thing to put there. |
| 20:41.48 | cgtech | stew, thanks i'll check to see if that is installed |
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| 20:42.08 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys |
| 20:42.17 | Polarina | And girls. |
| 20:42.17 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 20:42.21 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@pdpc/supporter/active/liabl] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 20:42.49 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@pdpc/supporter/active/liable] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.49 | cgtech | stew: php5-mysql is installed, is there a .ini or .conf file i need to add something to for apache to read from it? |
| 20:42.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.51 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: well... none of that seems to have anything to do with mounting at boot... and I'm not having any problems with it mounting in general. I.e., mount -a catches it... |
| 20:43.05 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: The timeout may have something to do with it. |
| 20:43.19 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: which value is the timeout? |
| 20:43.20 | Drk_Guy | How can i insert ASCII codes in Kebian? |
| 20:43.25 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: timeo=14 |
| 20:43.58 | twobitsprite | ohh |
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| 20:43.58 | streuner | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 20:44.01 | stew | cgtech: using apache or apache2? |
| 20:44.03 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: I'll try it |
| 20:44.11 | cgtech | stew, apache2 |
| 20:44.12 | Drk_Guy | How can i insert ASCII codes in Kebian? |
| 20:44.21 | stew | cgtech: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini should have a line "extension=mysql.so" |
| 20:44.23 | Drk_Guy | How can i insert ASCII codes in Debian? |
| 20:44.32 | stew | Drk_Guy: what do you mean? |
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| 20:44.43 | Drk_Guy | Insert ASCII codes |
| 20:44.50 | Ronin | in what though Drk_Guy ? |
| 20:44.55 | Drk_Guy | You know, Alt+64 Should give you @ |
| 20:45.10 | Drk_Guy | At least in Winshit |
| 20:45.18 | cgtech | stew: i'll check that |
| 20:45.20 | Drk_Guy | Idk how to insert them in Debian |
| 20:45.31 | streuner | !wb liable |
| 20:45.31 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! liable has returned! |
| 20:45.35 | Polarina | Drk_Guy: Copy & Paste should do. |
| 20:45.49 | Drk_Guy | Copy & paste? |
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| 20:45.54 | Drk_Guy | What do you mean? |
| 20:45.55 | Polarina | Drk_Guy: Yes. |
| 20:46.00 | cgtech | stew: can I insert that line anywhere in the file? |
| 20:46.07 | Polarina | Drk_Guy: There are ASCII tables on the internet you can copy from. |
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| 20:46.11 | Drk_Guy | I mean, insert the codes in any txt box |
| 20:46.19 | Drk_Guy | C'mon... |
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| 20:46.55 | Drk_Guy | What is the equivalent to Alt+#### in Debian? |
| 20:47.26 | twobitsprite | Drk_Guy: probably depends on your window manager |
| 20:47.29 | creature | Drk_Guy: If you want to stick in accents, look at the AltGr keystokes. |
| 20:47.31 | liable | danke streuner |
| 20:47.32 | Polarina | Drk_Guy: Gnome comes with an application named Character Map, or so I heard. |
| 20:47.35 | Drk_Guy | Kwin |
| 20:47.45 | creature | AltGr+;, o gives you an accented o, for instance. |
| 20:47.56 | streuner | liable: thank dondelelcaro, i did nothing |
| 20:47.57 | creature | But it is somewhat dependent on your setup. |
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| 20:48.01 | jahshua | yeh! virtualbox rules! |
| 20:48.02 | Drk_Guy | Kde |
| 20:48.05 | stew | cgtech: anywhere in the [PHP] section (there should already be examples there) |
| 20:48.12 | liable | streuner: only for the wb :P |
| 20:48.13 | Drk_Guy | Polarina: I know, but i use kebian |
| 20:48.20 | Drk_Guy | Polarina: Not debian |
| 20:48.25 | streuner | liable: oh :-) np |
| 20:48.33 | jahshua | Petrov: have toy tried it? |
| 20:48.38 | Drk_Guy | Debian=Debian+Gnome, Kebian=Debian +Kde |
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| 20:48.46 | Polarina | Drk_Guy: Then go to #kebian and ask for help there. This channel is for Debian discussion. |
| 20:48.56 | JordiGH | Drk_Guy: The Windows thing of inserting ASCII codes is an abomination. |
| 20:48.56 | jahshua | sorry Petrov, nm. |
| 20:49.14 | twobitsprite | funny, I've never heard of kebian |
| 20:49.19 | jahshua | hhahah |
| 20:49.22 | Drk_Guy | Then how can i insert the ascii codes then |
| 20:49.23 | Drk_Guy | Debian=Debian+Gnome, Kebian=Debian +Kde |
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| 20:49.30 | cgtech | stew: added that into the .ini file and still DB error |
| 20:49.35 | twobitsprite | Drk_Guy: I think you're just making things up |
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| 20:49.52 | cgtech | stew: is it a problem with DB.php in pear? |
| 20:49.57 | Drk_Guy | It's my way to tell i'm using Debian and Kde |
| 20:50.03 | Drk_Guy | What's the prob with that? |
| 20:50.04 | jelly-ho | Drk_Guy: debian has gnome, xfce, kde and all sorts of stuff |
| 20:50.07 | JordiGH | Drk_Guy: kcharselect, but this too is an abomination. Change the keyboard layout to what you want to type. |
| 20:50.15 | stew | cgtech: did you restart apache? |
| 20:50.20 | Ronin | Drk_Guy: because for all we know it was another fork of debian |
| 20:50.20 | drwahl | i am looking for a console based bitorrent program. any suggestions? |
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| 20:50.24 | twobitsprite | Drk_Guy: it's confusing because it sounds like you're using a different distro |
| 20:50.28 | snacky | drwahl: rtorrent? |
| 20:50.29 | creature | drwahl: rtorrent |
| 20:50.36 | Drk_Guy | Was? |
| 20:50.45 | drwahl | thanks |
| 20:51.04 | jelly-ho | Drk_Guy: just don't make up distro names, is all |
| 20:51.21 | Drk_Guy | Ok, i'm goign to say it the booring way |
| 20:51.24 | unsolo_ | Anyone that can help, I have installed htmldoc and made a symlink into /var/www/cgi-bin/htmldoc.. scripts detects it but nothing happens |
| 20:51.28 | Drk_Guy | I'm using Debian + Kde |
| 20:51.33 | Ronin | Drk_Guy: there you go :) |
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| 20:51.47 | duns_s | hi |
| 20:51.49 | twobitsprite | something tells me Drk_Guy is from ubuntu where they like to have sepperate distros for different DMs... |
| 20:51.58 | Drk_Guy | So, now, how can i insert the Alt+.... Ascii code thingy? |
| 20:52.00 | duns_s | i am using a bridged tap interface with uml |
| 20:52.05 | Drk_Guy | Sysinfo for 'drkguy-debian': Linux 2.6.18-5-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz at 2000 MHz (4003 bogomips), HD: 48/82GB, RAM: 387/1012MB, 81 proc's, 39.37min up |
| 20:52.09 | JordiGH | Drk_Guy: I already gave you an answer. Use kcharselect or a keyboard layout that has the charactes you need. |
| 20:52.12 | drwahl | :q! |
| 20:52.13 | twobitsprite | Drk_Guy: #kde might be of some help |
| 20:52.13 | JordiGH | characters |
| 20:52.15 | Drk_Guy | This can probe i'm using Debian |
| 20:52.15 | drwahl | mt |
| 20:52.20 | stew | Drk_Guy: you can either use some kind of an application / applet that is clicky and helps you put things into the x selection / clipboard, or you need to map the extra keysyms to keys by altering your keyboard map |
| 20:52.22 | duns_s | i have added: "iptables -A FORWARD -p all -i tap0 -j DROP" on the host |
| 20:52.24 | Ace2016 | suace@Ace2017:~$ sudo chmod 777 * -R |
| 20:52.24 | Ace2016 | chmod: unrecognised option `--.fonts' |
| 20:52.27 | cgtech | DB Error: extension not found, has anyone else this error with pear and php? |
| 20:52.30 | Ace2016 | Can someone help with that |
| 20:52.40 | stew | Ace2016: you don't want chmod 777 |
| 20:52.44 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 20:52.44 | duns_s | but i can still ping the host from the uml machine, any ideas? |
| 20:52.48 | Ace2016 | its my home directory |
| 20:52.59 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: and what if one wants to occasionally enter funky unicode chars not available in the usual keymap? |
| 20:53.02 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 20:53.03 | snacky | Ace2016: order of arguments matters. "sudo chmod 777 -R *" |
| 20:53.04 | stew | Ace2016: why do you want other people to be able to create files in your home directory? |
| 20:53.05 | Ace2016 | and i have files i coppied from cd that i can't modify |
| 20:53.18 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: Then kcharselect. |
| 20:53.20 | Drk_Guy | Thanks for <confusing> help |
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| 20:53.52 | Ace2016 | stew: i dont, i just want to be able to write to the files i got from my backup cd of my old home dir |
| 20:53.55 | duns_s | and all other machines... |
| 20:53.57 | Ronin | he's confused and he's making up names? heh |
| 20:54.19 | Ace2016 | making up names? |
| 20:54.21 | stew | Ace2016: if you don't, then you don't want 777 |
| 20:54.21 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: it sucks. I'd like to do Compose a : or Compose a " and get an ä |
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| 20:54.26 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: your thing didn't work for me... |
| 20:54.34 | Ace2016 | is it chown that i need? |
| 20:54.35 | stew | Ace2016: you also probably don't want the executable bit set on every file |
| 20:54.39 | creature | jelly-ho: I have that on mine, kind of. |
| 20:54.45 | Ronin | Ace2016: yes making up names, drk_guy that is |
| 20:54.51 | snacky | Ace2016: next time you copy over your home dir, make sure to preserve permissions. (I often end up using "cp -a") |
| 20:54.53 | creature | AltGr+[, a gives me . |
| 20:54.54 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: The exact same line or did you just add timeo? :-) Moreover, do you get an error at boot time that says why the nfs thing didn't mount? |
| 20:55.09 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: Are those dead keys on a Sun? |
| 20:55.24 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: I used the full options like you gave me... and I haven't checked logs... I should have, will do |
| 20:55.34 | Ace2016 | snacky: i had to use a cd, is it even possible for a cd to preserve permissions? and still be readable in windows? |
| 20:55.49 | duns_s | any ideas? |
| 20:55.53 | JordiGH | IS09660 doesn't have Unixy persmissions. |
| 20:55.55 | duns_s | or help? |
| 20:55.57 | JordiGH | !any ideas |
| 20:55.58 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a handful of sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 20:56.03 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: no dead keys, but explicit combining w/ a Compose key when one wants it |
| 20:56.08 | Ace2016 | omg my --.fonts folder is messing up chmod |
| 20:56.16 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: But it IS one of those Sun hacks, no? |
| 20:56.43 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: well actually I've seen it first on DEC VT terminals |
| 20:56.55 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: C'mon, fess up already. You're using a Sun. |
| 20:56.56 | stew | Ace2016: the reason that making your home directory 777 is particuarly a bad idea is that it would let someone create a script that erases all your files named $HOME/bin/ls; then the next time you logged in a typed "ls", it would actaully run that guy's script instead of /bin/ls (or something similar) |
| 20:57.15 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: if sun makes thinkpads, yes :-) |
| 20:57.20 | creature | Maybe it's a better idea not to do sudo rm -rf * in the first place. |
| 20:57.22 | xand | stew: if it was 777 they could just delete the files |
| 20:57.33 | stew | xand: sure, but you get my point |
| 20:58.02 | JordiGH | Completely doing away with file permissions on a Unixy system would be... bad. |
| 20:58.18 | Ace2016 | ok so what should 777 be changed to? 77x? i remember using x from filezilla |
| 20:58.22 | twobitsprite | lkasjfklsjflaskjh |
| 20:58.26 | xand | Ace2016: 700 |
| 20:58.30 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 20:58.39 | twobitsprite | maybe I should just put a script in my rc2.d which does mount -a... |
| 20:58.41 | stew | Ace2016: you want directories to be 700 and files to be 600 |
| 20:58.53 | jelly-ho | Ace2016: at least remove write permissions for others |
| 20:59.06 | xand | (not the silly default adduser gives you) |
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| 20:59.16 | stew | twobitsprite: why, there are alredy multiple that do that in /etc/rcS.d |
| 20:59.22 | Ace2016 | i'll just leave 700 for everything, no one else has access to this computer |
| 20:59.36 | twobitsprite | stew: I have several nfs mounts in my fstab which aren't mounted at boot time |
| 20:59.45 | twobitsprite | stew: in fact, none of my nfs mounts are... |
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| 20:59.54 | Ace2016 | ok bye all |
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| 21:00.15 | stew | twobitsprite: how is your network interface configured? in /etc/network/interfaces? static? dhcp? |
| 21:00.28 | Polarina | stew: Static. |
| 21:00.29 | twobitsprite | stew: static |
| 21:00.31 | streuner | liable: its possible to use a oftc.org host as well... |
| 21:00.40 | SexyKen | How do I install all development tools in debian from console / apt? |
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| 21:01.00 | stew | twobitsprite: "mount -a" as soon as the machine finishes booting works? |
| 21:01.06 | twobitsprite | stew: yes |
| 21:01.19 | streuner | liable: just visit the website and look for FAQ or such... |
| 21:01.19 | liable | streuner: what do you mean? |
| 21:01.31 | stew | twobitsprite: does /etc/rcS.d/S45mountnfs.sh exist? |
| 21:01.37 | streuner | liable: same as pdpc/supporter/active/liable |
| 21:01.54 | JordiGH | xand: you can modify adduser's default. |
| 21:02.04 | SexyKen | Anyone? |
| 21:02.05 | xand | JordiGH: yes. a silly default though |
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| 21:02.09 | streuner | liable: if you need help ask "weasel" or "Ganneff" |
| 21:02.10 | creature | Since upgrading my laptop to lenny my wireless connection has been very flaky. I'm using NetworkManager to manage it. When I connect to my AP it works fine for about 30 seconds to 2 minutes, before dropping out. Although the connection isn't showing as lost, no packets are getting through and no DNS lookups work (no route to host). Any ideas? |
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| 21:02.38 | stew | SexyKen: what do you mean by "all development tools"? there is build-essental, but that isn't all, that is just the essential ones |
| 21:02.53 | JordiGH | xand: You're talking about home directories being world-readable by default, right? |
| 21:02.59 | twobitsprite | stew: ahh... ok, I know where to go now, thanks |
| 21:02.59 | xand | yes |
| 21:03.04 | SexyKen | stew: I think that's what I mean -- :-) |
| 21:03.16 | stew | SexyKen: aptitude install build-essential |
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| 21:03.32 | JordiGH | xand: That's not necessarily a dumb default. Lots of people here seem to like it. |
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| 21:03.40 | stew | nice tail |
| 21:03.45 | JordiGH | xand: Most users seem to not care all that much about privacy |
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| 21:04.10 | twobitsprite | what is /etc/rcS.d ... I thought debian used /etc/rc2.d? |
| 21:04.12 | pickcoder | SexyKen: you can install module-assistant as well and use it to update kernel headers to match the running kernel |
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| 21:04.47 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Put that mount -a thing in /etc/rc.local |
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| 21:05.08 | stew | twobitsprite: /etc/rcS.d executes before /etc/rc2.d |
| 21:05.13 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 21:05.29 | SexyKen | I'm trying to install apache::dbi using cpan, but it is saying make failed |
| 21:05.30 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: yeah, that's what I was thinking... |
| 21:05.42 | stew | twobitsprite: does /etc/rcS.d/S45mountnfs.sh exist? |
| 21:07.25 | JordiGH | What's the Epoch time, anyone? |
| 21:07.25 | JordiGH | !epoch |
| 21:07.25 | dpkg | well, epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 21:07.54 | Polarina | I want a 128 bit architecture! |
| 21:08.00 | xand | 128? pfft |
| 21:08.18 | JordiGH | When is 1234567890? |
| 21:08.19 | stew | JordiGH: seconds since the beginning of 1970 |
| 21:08.30 | stew | JordiGH: perl -e "print scalar localtime 1234567890" |
| 21:08.57 | JordiGH | Feb 13, 2009. |
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| 21:09.17 | stew | JordiGH: (that will print it in your current locale, not in UTC) |
| 21:09.20 | xand | but it's Friday 13th! |
| 21:09.33 | xand | it prints in UTC here ;) |
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| 21:11.51 | cgtech | What is the configuration for telling php to connect with mysql? |
| 21:12.02 | rootwired | ... |
| 21:12.02 | cgtech | after php5-mysql is installed |
| 21:12.42 | pocukrani | mysql_connect :) |
| 21:12.53 | zoredache | cgtech: this is a debian channel, not a php programming channel... but mysql_connect() is the php function |
| 21:13.08 | xand | cgtech: you need to restart apache if that's what you mean |
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| 21:14.00 | cgtech | it is odd, phpinfo says it has mysql support. yet when php calls for mysql, it cannot connect to the database |
| 21:14.15 | keren | how do i list the user accounts in a sistem? |
| 21:14.16 | xand | cgtech: if it didn't have php support, it would say the function is not found |
| 21:14.18 | keren | system |
| 21:14.22 | xand | keren: cat /etc/passwd |
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| 21:14.35 | xand | (assuming you're using passwd for accounts) |
| 21:15.05 | cgtech | very odd errors |
| 21:15.22 | creature | Since upgrading my laptop to lenny my wireless connection has been very flaky. I'm using NetworkManager to manage it. When I connect to my AP it works fine for about 30 seconds to 2 minutes, before dropping out. Although the connection isn't showing as lost, no packets are getting through and no DNS lookups work (no route to host). Any ideas? |
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| 21:15.26 | stew | cgtech: there is no configuration for php connecting to mysql, it is application specific: http://php.net/mysql_connect |
| 21:15.57 | valdyn | creature: ps aux | grep dhclient |
| 21:16.22 | keren | xand: i'd like to list only accounts for humans |
| 21:16.29 | creature | valdyn: I have two running. |
| 21:16.36 | valdyn | creature: ok, why do you? |
| 21:16.37 | creature | One on eth0, one on wlan0_rename. |
| 21:16.40 | creature | I dunno. |
| 21:16.53 | creature | I'll try killing them both off and re-doing it through NetworkManager. |
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| 21:16.58 | valdyn | creature: your eth0 is actually connected? |
| 21:17.11 | valdyn | creature: no, killing them is silly |
| 21:17.14 | creature | valdyn: I'm not sure how it works, but eth0 is my wifi interface. |
| 21:17.21 | valdyn | creature: 'ifdown eth0' |
| 21:17.43 | xand | keren: the system can't tell the difference |
| 21:17.44 | valdyn | creature: you do not want to have interfaces controlled by /etc/network/interfaces and NetworkManager at the same time. |
| 21:18.18 | stew | keren: by some definitions, maybe: getent passwd | awk -F: '$3>=1000{print $1}' |
| 21:18.29 | piper69 | hi folks, i reconfig my box to run as a server, no i have a sill question, after i was done i noticed that i don't have enough HDD space, can i map a drive from my windows on my debian server |
| 21:18.30 | stew | oh that shows nobody, getent passwd | awk -F: '$3>=1000&&$3<65534{print $1}' |
| 21:18.44 | valdyn | creature: anyway, NM should probably work fine once there's no dhclient running, that's just not the real fix, that is then editing /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:19.44 | valdyn | piper69: is a 'drive' a HDD? |
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| 21:19.54 | valdyn | piper69: get rid of the windows terminology please.. |
| 21:20.09 | piper69 | valdyn: if i can trust me i will |
| 21:20.09 | valdyn | piper69: or is that really only a partition? |
| 21:20.11 | piper69 | :) |
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| 21:20.29 | JordiGH | Er, what was the command to get the things I have to pass to gcc to link with X libs? |
| 21:20.42 | JordiGH | something vaguely like `x configure`. |
| 21:20.43 | piper69 | valdyn: what i mean is that i have another box that run pure windows |
| 21:21.14 | valdyn | piper69: oh a different box.. |
| 21:21.32 | piper69 | valdyn: yes sir and i am sorry if i didn't made that clear :( |
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| 21:21.41 | valdyn | piper69: you can share storage over network, sure |
| 21:21.51 | creature | valdyn: Well, I did ifconfig eth0 down, and killed off all running dhclients and wpa_supplicant, and then reconnected using NetworkManagerApplet, and I'm still seeing the same symptoms. |
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| 21:22.04 | valdyn | piper69: mount -t cifs //windowsbox/share /path/to/mountpoint |
| 21:22.34 | valdyn | creature: i cant believe they are exactly the same |
| 21:22.56 | valdyn | creature: but you're probably having issues getting the interface setup properly via dhcp |
| 21:23.07 | piper69 | valdyn: so i don;t neet samba |
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| 21:23.09 | creature | valdyn: Well, it connected and worked fine for a few seconds, but then it died and I'm now getting no route to host. |
| 21:23.09 | keren | thanks |
| 21:23.32 | valdyn | piper69: no, samba is for sharing debian files to windows boxes |
| 21:23.54 | valdyn | creature: switch off NM, run 'dhclient eth0' in a shell and watch output |
| 21:24.21 | valdyn | creature: that error seems to indicate that you _still_ have a dhclient running |
| 21:25.00 | Ciaran_H | valdyn: But don't you need at least smbfs, which needs samba-common? |
| 21:25.12 | stew | Ciaran_H: cifs is newer, smbfs older and probably should never be used anymore |
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| 21:26.10 | Ciaran_H | stew: I see. Interesting, thanks. :D I didn't know that. |
| 21:26.15 | valdyn | Ciaran_H: no idea really about the package smbfs, but smbfs the filesystem is only the first choice for certain aged windows versions, probably win98 |
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| 21:26.40 | snacky | "cifs" seems to have come in with win2k unless I am full of shit |
| 21:26.42 | Ciaran_H | valdyn: For the record, I was able to "modprobe cifs" without Samba, so that's cool. |
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| 21:29.01 | valdyn | piper69: you probably still want the smbtree program from the smbclient package |
| 21:29.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | when i try to start an root terminal in gnome it asks me for my root password and then just does nothing :-/ |
| 21:29.21 | valdyn | piper69: to see available shares ( mind, that tool is only for small networks ) |
| 21:30.32 | creature | valdyn: That didn't work, but I'm not surprised as wpa_supplicant isn't running, and the wifi point is wpa only. |
| 21:30.52 | valdyn | creature: ops, i forgot about that, alright |
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| 21:30.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | but this only when working trough VNC, when on the server itself it works :-/ |
| 21:31.01 | valdyn | creature: i cant help you with wpa_supplicant |
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| 21:32.04 | creature | valdyn: OK. |
| 21:32.20 | creature | valdyn: Well, I will try and start wpa_supplicant on the commandline, and then run dhclient. |
| 21:32.46 | liable | creature: run it with -dd |
| 21:33.07 | liable | make sure Nm is dead |
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| 21:34.47 | creature | liable: Should it continuously produce output, or should it 'settle down'? |
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| 21:35.20 | creature | Just as a point of interest, I've never got wireless working on this laptop from the commandline, but I've used it fine from network-manager-applet for at least 6 months. |
| 21:35.36 | liable | creature: it should stop with a startwhen -> 0 |
| 21:35.46 | liable | if its succesfull |
| 21:35.50 | lordnazgul | ok i have an xclient on a remote machine without and xserver installed. I would like to forward that over to a local machine with an xserver via ssh. I enabled x forrwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and connected ssh -X remote.host.com. however it still isn't working. I get "Error; Can't open display: " i get this even when i export localhost:0 to $DISPLAY. any ideas? |
| 21:36.25 | creature | liable: It's definitely not doing that. |
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| 21:38.04 | creature | liable: It's producing a hell of a lot of output, though. I'm not sure how to describe it. |
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| 21:39.11 | liable | creature: yeah, it does spew a lot of output with -dd, if you kill it and read back through, it may make some sense, or you could paste a chunk of it to pastebot |
| 21:39.27 | creature | liable: I can't paste it without a working net connection... |
| 21:39.32 | valdyn | creature: if dhclient works now, then wpa_supplicants output is irrelevant |
| 21:40.02 | liable | he wont get dhclient to work with wpasupp continuously cycling output |
| 21:40.09 | creature | valdyn: It doesn't. wpa_supplicant appears to be flip-flopping between scanning, associating, disconnecting, and scanning. |
| 21:40.11 | valdyn | liable: ah |
| 21:40.36 | valdyn | creature: did you MAC change? |
| 21:40.51 | creature | I did not. |
| 21:41.09 | liable | creature: are you sure NM is dead? |
| 21:41.14 | valdyn | creature: maybe your AP can tell why its kicking you |
| 21:41.16 | creature | "No keys have been configured - skip key clearing" |
| 21:41.19 | creature | That doesn't look good. |
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| 21:41.51 | liable | creature: make doubly sure it is, reload your wifi module, ifconfig eth0 up, then rerun wpasupp |
| 21:42.27 | Spyro_boy | Is there a way I can get aptitude/apt-get to print the links to the packages in their respective repositories so I can just input them in a wget? |
| 21:42.33 | creature | liable: I have a wpa_supplicant.conf within which is a line that has 'psk="mykey"' in it. That's right, yes? |
| 21:42.42 | liable | yep |
| 21:42.53 | Spyro_boy | The reason why I want to do so is so I can download all the packages on another machine and put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:43.07 | liable | creature: paste it. no need to edit shit, as i have no idea where you live |
| 21:43.19 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: there's apt-zip |
| 21:43.26 | Spyro_boy | apt-zip, huh? |
| 21:43.27 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: apt-cache show apt-zip |
| 21:43.27 | creature | liable: See before, re: pasting and lack of connection. |
| 21:43.29 | Spyro_boy | I'll man it. |
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| 21:43.41 | creature | liable: I'm pretty sure NM is dead, but if you want to help me check I'll run through it again. |
| 21:43.45 | liable | creature: can you not plug an ethernet cable into it? |
| 21:43.53 | creature | liable: I cannot. |
| 21:44.00 | liable | creature: ps aux|grep net |
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| 21:44.08 | creature | liable: If it helps, this config file is taken straight from my desktop, where it works fine. |
| 21:44.17 | liable | creature: ok |
| 21:45.03 | creature | Hmm, on my desktop I have the string in hex. Let me try that. |
| 21:45.49 | liable | erm |
| 21:45.56 | liable | hex for your psk? |
| 21:46.17 | liable | is it wep or wpa? |
| 21:46.18 | creature | It's definitely wpa2, so don't get any WEP-based ideas. |
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| 21:46.34 | liable | heh, tto late :P |
| 21:46.35 | creature | I'm pretty sure it's the same string but given as a hex string instead of a quoted string. |
| 21:46.52 | liable | i have never seen a hex psk |
| 21:47.15 | liable | not that i am saying its not possible, but i didnt think they were interchangable |
| 21:47.17 | pickcoder | that's how my linksys works |
| 21:47.32 | liable | hex psk? wpa? |
| 21:47.48 | pickcoder | I honestly don't remember which method |
| 21:47.55 | liable | likely wep |
| 21:48.00 | jdavis__ | what is a good software product to manage forms and business processes, that is, track PDFs and electronic signatures, and move documents to the people that need them? |
| 21:48.02 | h3sp4wn | psk=hexpassphrase or psk="stringpassphrase" |
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| 21:48.20 | h3sp4wn | wpa_passphrase converts |
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| 21:48.46 | creature | liable: As I understand it, wpa_supplicant will accept either for wpa. It'll do the conversion for you. |
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| 21:49.04 | pickcoder | jdavis__: content management? |
| 21:49.13 | creature | I absolutely guarantee that this access point uses WPA2, and the config works on my PC. |
| 21:49.15 | liable | creature: put in your conf exactly whats in your routers config |
| 21:49.15 | Spyro_boy | valdyn, seems a bit off. |
| 21:49.16 | creature | And WPA only. |
| 21:49.21 | Spyro_boy | need to find another way. |
| 21:49.24 | creature | My router's config? |
| 21:49.34 | liable | access point |
| 21:49.52 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: it does fit your problem description |
| 21:49.53 | creature | liable: Did you note that this worked fine before I upgraded to lenny, through networkmanager? |
| 21:49.58 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: well, similar, I guess. The idea is to track who signed a form, and who needs to sign a form. |
| 21:50.04 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: except that its generates the download script too, no cut and paste |
| 21:50.06 | creature | And it's still working fine through my desktop. |
| 21:50.13 | Spyro_boy | valdyn, well, I'd rather not get the use of a removable drive. |
| 21:50.14 | liable | creature: i never use network manager for exactly these reasons |
| 21:50.22 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: the content of the form is important, too, but it's secondary to managing the process. |
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| 21:50.23 | creature | liable: I couldn't get it working any other way. |
| 21:50.26 | Spyro_boy | hrmm.. |
| 21:50.31 | Spyro_boy | I guess I could give it a try. |
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| 21:50.34 | RyanH | Could anyone spare a few minutes to help me out with a cdbs & tla problem? Seem CDBS doesn't like {arch} directories. =P |
| 21:50.42 | pickcoder | jdavis__: sounds like a custom-fit coding job.. every company has it's own methods |
| 21:50.43 | liable | creature: wireless and especially wpa is bad enough in linux without added graphical shit that is network manager |
| 21:50.50 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: what does a removable drive have to do with it? that's just 'any storage' |
| 21:50.58 | liable | creature: even the NM devs dont know wtf its doing half the time |
| 21:51.01 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: whatever you can get your destination to read |
| 21:51.03 | mefistofeles | hey, sorry... hplip asks me for libsnmp10... and I installed libsnmp-base... but still complains about broken dependencies...any idea? |
| 21:51.05 | pickcoder | s/it's/its |
| 21:51.06 | Spyro_boy | valdyn, says removable drive here :x |
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| 21:51.12 | Spyro_boy | oh |
| 21:51.14 | Spyro_boy | I got an idea. |
| 21:51.23 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: either you have a removable drive or a network |
| 21:51.28 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: Yeah, there are some commercial products like "Adobe LiveCycle", but it seems like something that could be an opensource product also. |
| 21:51.32 | valdyn | Spyro_boy: if you had a network you wouldn't need this in the first place |
| 21:51.32 | Spyro_boy | Yeha. |
| 21:51.35 | Spyro_boy | I just realised that. |
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| 21:52.02 | mefistofeles | I think it's a problem with the name of the package in the repositories |
| 21:52.10 | themill | liable: long time no see.... got time for a pm? |
| 21:52.29 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: I don't think it's actually very specific to the business. You configure a form, who needs to sign everything, and then when an instance of the form comes along the software can shuffle it around from there. |
| 21:52.30 | liable | themill: sure |
| 21:52.30 | rahul | mefistofeles: what's with the misspelling? |
| 21:52.51 | pickcoder | jdavis__: looked at zope? |
| 21:53.16 | mefistofeles | rahul: hplip asks for libsnmp10 (5.3x or greater) I installed libsnmp-base which is 5.4.1 ... but still complains about broken dependencies |
| 21:53.23 | rahul | oh, looks like they spell it that way in other languages |
| 21:53.34 | creature | liable: Well. On my desktop, it works fine on the CLI. I haven't tried with NM. On my laptop, I've never got it working via CLI, but it has worked with NM. |
| 21:53.40 | pickcoder | there's also tutos2 |
| 21:53.41 | rahul | silly attempts at retaining their phonetic spelling! |
| 21:53.49 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: in the past. That's more like a web framework though. |
| 21:53.54 | valdyn | mefistofeles: -base isnt libsnmp10 |
| 21:53.58 | pickcoder | they're all going to be CMS |
| 21:53.59 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: what's tutos2? |
| 21:54.01 | rahul | mefistofeles: installing foo won't make it think you installed bar |
| 21:54.06 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: oh |
| 21:54.07 | mefistofeles | valdyn: there isnt a libsnmp10 in repos |
| 21:54.09 | pickcoder | it's a CMS-type project |
| 21:54.10 | liable | creature: same cards? |
| 21:54.15 | pickcoder | apt-cache show tutos2 |
| 21:54.15 | valdyn | mefistofeles: no? |
| 21:54.17 | creature | No, different cards. |
| 21:54.19 | valdyn | mefistofeles: i can clearly see it |
| 21:54.21 | mefistofeles | valdyn: no, thats the problem |
| 21:54.24 | Spyro_boy | valdyn, ah perfect. I get it now. |
| 21:54.28 | Spyro_boy | thankss a bunch :) |
| 21:54.29 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: I think a CMS is too generic to really manage a business process. |
| 21:54.29 | creature | On my laptop I'm using a hostap card. I forget the exact chipset. |
| 21:54.38 | valdyn | !info libsnmp10 sid |
| 21:54.39 | pickcoder | jdavis__: thus my comments |
| 21:54.40 | valdyn | !info libsnmp10 lenny |
| 21:54.41 | creature | I've tried invoking wpa_supplicant with both -Dwext and -Dhostap. |
| 21:54.41 | rahul | I have a libsnmp10 |
| 21:54.43 | streuner | !liable++ |
| 21:54.43 | valdyn | !info libsnmp10 etch |
| 21:54.43 | dpkg | libsnmp10: (SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.3.1-8 (lenny), Packaged size: 1919 kB, Installed size: 3504 kB |
| 21:54.48 | veritos | hey, i think that the xserver-xorg package has issues. since a couple of days ago, it keeps dying and telling me "default font Fixed does not exist"...then i find that the xfonts-{75,100}dpi packages are not installed. i try installing them, and they tell me that the /usr/lib/X11/fonts/{100,75}dpi dirs aren't installed, so they won't actually install the fonts even when they are installed. |
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| 21:55.10 | jdavis__ | pickcoder: alright, thanks. |
| 21:55.17 | mefistofeles | valdyn: btw, I use sid |
| 21:55.29 | rahul | mefistofeles: sid is broken |
| 21:55.30 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 21:55.30 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
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| 21:55.38 | rahul | mefistofeles: which is normal |
| 21:55.45 | rahul | mefistofeles: recompile the package. |
| 21:56.05 | creature | Ah ha! |
| 21:56.06 | mefistofeles | rahul: oh ok |
| 21:56.08 | mefistofeles | rahul: thanks |
| 21:56.19 | mefistofeles | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:56.29 | creature | liable: I seem to have got this working through a) using wlan0_rename as the interface to wpa_supplicant. |
| 21:56.51 | creature | And b) using wlan0_rename to dhclient. |
| 21:57.05 | rahul | grr |
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| 21:57.09 | rahul | must find clothes for date |
| 21:57.23 | liable | creature: ah, udev fuckage |
| 21:58.05 | creature | It still seems disinclined to retrieve things from mirror.ox.ac.uk. |
| 21:58.09 | Spyro_boy | awesome awesome. apt-zip rocks. |
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| 21:58.20 | rahul | !apt-zip |
| 21:58.20 | dpkg | i heard apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 21:58.25 | rahul | ah |
| 21:58.25 | Spyro_boy | I should get cygwin with bash and try to run it even on school PCs. |
| 21:58.27 | rahul | that zip |
| 21:58.28 | themill | liable: is this wlan0_rename thing a dodgy iwlwifi creating two devices problem? |
| 21:58.37 | liable | udev |
| 21:58.54 | creature | Anyway, I have two 'goal states' I would like for this. |
| 21:59.03 | liable | Guerin: shame about those allblacks |
| 21:59.03 | creature | 1. I can keep using network-manager in the future. |
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| 21:59.18 | creature | 2. Some other solution that lets me roam from home, and work, and find new networks when I'm out and about. |
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| 22:00.10 | creature | These are either/or options, by the way. |
| 22:00.36 | liable | creature: wpasupp has quite good roaming abilities |
| 22:00.57 | tt | I've just installed debian with LVM and encryption and I've got a question about the encryption. If I would remove the disc from my laptop and insert it in a random PC. Would the disc be readable without the encryption key? |
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| 22:01.15 | liable | you can set many networks and also have a default no key network for open networks |
| 22:01.31 | creature | liable: it's not so good at 'I see you're in a cafe. There's this one available. Shall I connect to it for you?', is it? |
| 22:01.44 | creature | It's fine on an open one, but it won't prompt you for a password. I'd have to get all configgy file etc. |
| 22:02.43 | liable | creature: well, yeah, sorta, but if its an open network, it'll connect if there are no other networks it has info for, and those kind of networks have web based login anyway |
| 22:03.03 | liable | creature: but its certainly not as nice as NM for that clicky goodness |
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| 22:03.36 | liable | but really, getting connected to wifi over cli takes me about 15 seconds |
| 22:04.33 | creature | liable: Yeah, it's not a CLI thing that I'm bothered about really. I like my laptop to be a bit more shiny. |
| 22:04.45 | creature | Just for evangelism purposes, really. |
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| 22:05.25 | liable | you lose many geek points for using Nm P |
| 22:05.53 | creature | liable: I've got plenty of geek points. But when people see me chilling in a caf with my linux laptop, I don't want them thinking "Nerd" I want them thinking "Ooh, shiny." |
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| 22:06.46 | liable | really? I look over and think "what the fuck are you looking at my laptop for asshole!" ;) |
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| 22:08.30 | creature | Yeah, well, I have sexy friends who are sensitive to aesthetics. |
| 22:08.52 | liable | read: creature is trying to get laid ;) |
| 22:09.08 | creature | It's a valid point when dealing with such systems. |
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| 22:11.58 | creature | liable: http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html "So I said, narrow the focus. Your "use case" should be, there's a 22 year old college student living in the dorms. How will this software get him laid?" |
| 22:12.02 | dancios | Hello I've got crash problem with my Linux. The X crashes i've got ati 9250 is there any solution ? |
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| 22:12.53 | streuner | dancios: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:14.10 | streuner | <dancios> ii libc6 2.5-0ubuntu14 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:14.21 | Guerin | fail |
| 22:14.31 | streuner | dancios: only /msg people when they allow it |
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| 22:14.36 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 22:14.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 22:15.02 | DawnLight | libfuse2 |
| 22:15.07 | streuner | dancios: read what the bot told you |
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| 22:15.52 | dancios | sorry :) ok |
| 22:16.03 | creature | liable: OK, can we go back to using network-manager for now? |
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| 22:17.51 | liable | creature: sure |
| 22:17.54 | DawnLight | i don't get it. backports has ntfs-3g but not the libfuse2 dependency? |
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| 22:18.33 | sepen | ls |
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| 22:19.41 | Guerin | DawnLight: then you haven't set the repo up properly |
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| 22:20.06 | liable | shame about those allblacks |
| 22:20.18 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:20.37 | liable | i would gloat all so much more if we didnt get our ass kicked as well |
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| 22:21.01 | Guerin | liable: at least we got beaten by a team who can play |
| 22:21.22 | streuner | liable: are you aware that these allblacks are almost gods in .nz? |
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| 22:21.33 | liable | Guerin: well, they team that beat you, got beaten by the team that beat us |
| 22:21.37 | Guerin | streuner: they're almost gods in Australia too, no need to rub it in ;) |
| 22:21.52 | streuner | didnt know that |
| 22:21.53 | liable | only because half of nz lives in oz |
| 22:22.02 | Guerin | liable: yeah, they're slow-burners, those english. |
| 22:22.11 | liable | bloody wilkins |
| 22:22.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:22.47 | Guerin | now the yaapies get to repeat their 36-0 pool match |
| 22:22.53 | liable | there scrum and defence was goos though |
| 22:22.57 | liable | good* |
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| 22:23.13 | Guerin | liable: they actually ran a bit as well |
| 22:23.20 | Guerin | i was shocked! |
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| 22:23.32 | RyanH | is there a smart way of dealing with a tarball with mutiple directories with cdbs? |
| 22:24.34 | streuner | Guerin: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-_CaSu-fnGg |
| 22:24.38 | liable | Guerin: the france game was terrible, they should have had it, but then that save and drop-kick changed the game |
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| 22:24.48 | Guerin | liable: yep. |
| 22:24.53 | Guerin | streuner: what is it? |
| 22:25.22 | creature | liable: Alternatively, if I wanted to try with wpa_supplicant, how would I set that up? |
| 22:25.42 | liable | creature: i thought you had it working? |
| 22:25.48 | liable | with wpasupp |
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| 22:26.12 | streuner | Guerin: "All Blacks Haka" ;-) |
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| 22:26.31 | liable | theres a good aussie haka out there somewhere |
| 22:26.38 | creature | liable: I've got wpa_supplicant running in one window, and I had to dhclient from another window. |
| 22:26.40 | liable | well, the first bit is funny |
| 22:26.45 | creature | It works, but it's not sexy and transparent. |
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| 22:26.57 | Guerin | streuner: yeah, seen it |
| 22:27.10 | DawnLight | Guerin: i've added "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" and i'm updating. it complains about the key, but that shouldn't be a problem, right? there is no libfuse2 in the backports and the one in etch is a version below that which the ntfs-3g is dependant on |
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| 22:27.24 | Guerin | DawnLight: never add the entire backports repo |
| 22:27.26 | liable | creature: you can set it all up via interfaces file, its fairly well documented in the docs in /usr/share/doc |
| 22:27.36 | Guerin | DawnLight: only ever add the sub-repo for the things you actually need |
| 22:27.46 | streuner | Guerin: you know the meaning when they touch there lips? |
| 22:27.49 | Guerin | DawnLight: (but that shouldn't change the fact all the deps ought to be there) |
| 22:28.15 | DawnLight | Guerin: i'm also looking in the site. it isn't there |
| 22:28.20 | liable | creature: then it will check all set networks and connect to an open one if available, if there are no private networks available |
| 22:29.35 | streuner | Guerin: "You taste certainly very well..." |
| 22:30.18 | creature | Ok, I'll check out those docs. |
| 22:30.23 | creature | liable: Thanks for the help. |
| 22:31.21 | liable | no problem, you should be pretty right after reading the wpasupp docs, they are pretty good |
| 22:31.24 | Guerin | streuner: no lip-touching in either of the all blacks' hakas, afaik |
| 22:31.36 | Posterdati | please I got problems with eclipse 3.2.0 on unstable: it crashes on start after a fresh installation via apt-get :( |
| 22:32.02 | Guerin | Posterdati: file a bug |
| 22:32.10 | Guerin | Posterdati: presuming one hasn't already been filed |
| 22:32.26 | Posterdati | Guerin: :( |
| 22:32.38 | Guerin | Posterdati: this is what you get for using unstable. |
| 22:33.13 | streuner | Guerin: true, i just searched for and saw 3 different ones, but no "touching lips" |
| 22:33.19 | Posterdati | Guerin: got sid |
| 22:33.27 | Guerin | Posterdati: so I see. |
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| 22:34.08 | Guerin | streuner: `ka mate' actually has a pretty good story behind it, which you can probably find on teh goog |
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| 22:40.41 | DawnLight | Guerin: found it. forgot that there can be two versions of the same packages |
| 22:40.58 | DawnLight | but it shoud've known to select the correct one |
| 22:41.43 | DawnLight | now to making this thing work... |
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| 22:43.18 | Atalanta | hi, im at the download page for debian distros, and i see that the full DVD set is 3 4.4gb dvds! |
| 22:43.30 | liable | yerp |
| 22:43.42 | Atalanta | do these include all the packages i might want? |
| 22:43.47 | Atalanta | is that why its so big? |
| 22:43.50 | streuner | just get one CD, thats usually enough |
| 22:43.52 | liable | !overfiends phallace |
| 22:43.56 | liable | bah |
| 22:44.01 | streuner | !d-i |
| 22:44.01 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 22:44.01 | Atalanta | because i really only want gcc and boost libs |
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| 22:44.17 | sk4ter | working xmailserver:::>> |
| 22:44.18 | streuner | !d-i Atalanta |
| 22:44.18 | dpkg | Atalanta, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:44.46 | themill | Atalanta: grab the netinstall image and it will then download only the bits you need for your installation. |
| 22:44.55 | Atalanta | =D |
| 22:44.59 | themill | Atalanta: For gcc, install the package build-essential |
| 22:45.30 | Atalanta | thanks! |
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| 22:45.49 | digitalfox | I have an odd question... why does xterm build-depend on lynx? |
| 22:45.58 | streuner | if you have problems, you know where to ask |
| 22:46.27 | Atalanta | printf("so i am downloading %s, and when i run it, i just install 'build-essential' pkg, using apt-get install, and i will have gcc fully?", "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso"); |
| 22:46.34 | digitalfox | nevermind... found out... *runs away* |
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| 22:47.34 | streuner | yes, if you NIC is supported and you set up interfaces well |
| 22:47.43 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 22:48.28 | streuner | read ig first |
| 22:48.32 | streuner | !ig |
| 22:48.32 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 22:48.47 | themill | Atalanta: unless you have a specific need to run testing, pick stable. |
| 22:48.57 | rmaj | my debian sucks in cd/dvd reader support |
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| 22:49.10 | rmaj | how to stop my stupid ass dvd player for spinning down it self |
| 22:49.10 | themill | rmaj: we love you too |
| 22:49.12 | streuner | read xine's FAQ about |
| 22:49.19 | wreis | can i install an amd64 release at an intel c2d box? |
| 22:50.06 | Atalanta | themill: someone told me to pick this |
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| 22:50.18 | Yggdrasil | hello, whats the alsa cmd to do search for sound devices ? |
| 22:50.27 | SlackRat | alsaconf? |
| 22:50.41 | Yggdrasil | thats what ithought |
| 22:50.43 | streuner | Atalanta: just do what themill recommend |
| 22:50.45 | Yggdrasil | maybe its not installed |
| 22:50.46 | Atalanta | themill: but now that ive changed to stable, is that basically what i should do? |
| 22:51.10 | Yggdrasil | mhmm isee thanks |
| 22:51.16 | SlackRat | if you installed all the alsa-utils it should show up running alsaconf |
| 22:51.19 | SlackRat | np |
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| 22:52.08 | themill | Atalanta: yes, the build-essential metapackage will pull in gcc, make, some development libs etc. Also do an apt-cache search boost to work out what else to install. |
| 22:53.28 | Atalanta | themill: apt-cache search boos? |
| 22:53.31 | Atalanta | *t |
| 22:53.39 | themill | yes. |
| 22:53.43 | themill | !tell Atalanta about search |
| 22:53.43 | tw-nym | Is it possible to select a kernel as a one-shot default using lilo or grub? For example, I want to set kernel #2 as default for the next time, and without modification, I want it to boot kernel 1 again after that. |
| 22:54.05 | dkr | tw-nym: grub-set-default |
| 22:54.05 | zoredache | tw-nym: I am pretty sure lilo has an option for that |
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| 22:54.43 | dkr | yeah, lilo does too, lilo -R I think |
| 22:54.44 | Atalanta | !win |
| 22:54.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, win is lose. |
| 22:54.52 | Atalanta | !lose |
| 22:54.52 | dpkg | hmm... lose is see windows. |
| 22:54.55 | themill | Atalanta: sometimes "testing" really is needed for hardware compatibility or for newer libraries, but most of the time "stable" is what you want. And stable is exactly that... and it's a great platform to base your development on. It's just a few gentoo and *buntu people that don't understand what we mean by stable and why we want that. |
| 22:54.56 | Atalanta | lol |
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| 22:55.32 | Atalanta | themill: yeah i know, i originally thought devel meant "for developers" not "unstable" heh |
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| 22:55.39 | Atalanta | (or "in development" |
| 22:55.40 | Atalanta | ) |
| 22:55.59 | tw-nym | If I do that with grub-set-default does it automatically revert when I hard reboot it? |
| 22:56.18 | tw-nym | The problem is that this server is about 1400km from here and I have an IPMI switch and that's about it >.> |
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| 22:56.41 | dkr | I figured how to make grub alternate default each boot(so I can boot between debian and xp) by setting savedefault 1 in debian stanze and savedefault 0 in wnidows stanza, but i tgets messed up every kernel upgraded that modifies grub/menu.lst |
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| 22:57.21 | tw-nym | Ah, I see. |
| 22:57.39 | dkr | grub-set-deault is a one time, thing, yeah, second boot after next will use nromal default |
| 22:57.46 | tw-nym | Good deal. Thanks. |
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| 22:58.02 | tw-nym | I don't know the syntax for lilo -R otherwise I'd try that. |
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| 22:59.02 | dkr | hrm, actually, mayeb grub-set-default isn't one-time |
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| 22:59.46 | creature | liable: The next question is, I suppose, how do I disable networkmanager and any associated bits from starting at startup? |
| 22:59.51 | tw-nym | It writes to a file and you configure grub.conf with default saved. Then in the entry for my new kernel, I can do savedefault 0 to revert. |
| 23:00.10 | stew | dkr: afaik grub-set-default isn't, but grub-reboot is |
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| 23:00.19 | dkr | ah |
| 23:00.48 | Tr0gd0r | anyway to get 2.6.19+ on debian |
| 23:01.05 | themill | !tell Tr0gd0r about backports.org |
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| 23:01.14 | tw-nym | grub-reboot. excellent. |
| 23:01.18 | hardwire | where do you gu when bugs.debian.org and the lists have failed you? |
| 23:01.23 | hardwire | gu/go |
| 23:01.25 | Atalanta | what kernel version does the stable netinst image have |
| 23:01.28 | stew | hardwire: the source |
| 23:01.32 | Atalanta | 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 23:01.34 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:01.38 | dkr | hardwire: UTSL |
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| 23:01.43 | hardwire | stew: I wish it were a source issue |
| 23:01.48 | themill | Atalanta: 2.6.18 |
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| 23:01.59 | dkr | hardwire: the hardware manufacturer? |
| 23:02.00 | Atalanta | tx |
| 23:02.04 | stew | hardwire: the pub |
| 23:02.10 | hardwire | the pub sounds best |
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| 23:02.37 | hardwire | the testing netinst iso's are teh fail |
| 23:02.43 | dkr | beer is a good compromise between software and hardware |
| 23:02.47 | stew | hardwire: #debian-boot |
| 23:02.52 | hardwire | the testing mini.iso works fine, but the testing pool is teh fail |
| 23:02.56 | stew | hardwire: (on irc.debian.org) |
| 23:03.02 | hardwire | stew: seriously.. cause they don't actually have people in there that talk |
| 23:03.10 | hardwire | I've been on it for 5 days |
| 23:03.13 | hardwire | asking, |
| 23:03.15 | hardwire | waiting, |
| 23:03.32 | stew | hardwire: testing pool? |
| 23:04.13 | dkr | if your questions involve statements like "netinst iso's are the fail" I'm not surprised no answer. :) |
| 23:04.17 | hardwire | well.. the Packages.gz in testing(lenny) refers to outdated modules that the more recent mini.iso doesn't care for. |
| 23:04.23 | dkr | sorry, "teh fail", heh |
| 23:04.30 | stew | hardwire: what is an example? |
| 23:04.38 | hardwire | mini.iso is 2.6.18-5 |
| 23:04.55 | hardwire | d-i modules in Packages.gz are 2.6.18-4 |
| 23:04.57 | stew | hardwire: what is an example of an "outdated module" |
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| 23:05.27 | hardwire | netinst/business card d-i isos use 2.6.21 and the cdrom contains 2.6.22 modules |
| 23:05.35 | hardwire | who is in charge of the cron job that builds these? |
| 23:05.41 | hardwire | I wanna send em a stinky trout |
| 23:05.43 | stew | hardwire: what do you mean by 'module'? |
| 23:05.49 | stew | nevermind |
| 23:06.18 | dkr | just insmod -f and ignore the version wanrning! |
| 23:06.42 | hardwire | dkr: hacks are great fun |
| 23:06.44 | hardwire | I don't mind typically |
| 23:06.44 | dkr | geek humor. it isn't pretty. :) |
| 23:06.51 | hardwire | but this should be fixed, don'tcha thing? |
| 23:06.53 | hardwire | think |
| 23:07.04 | hardwire | I suggest myself for mr fixer upper |
| 23:07.11 | hardwire | heres my ssh key |
| 23:07.13 | hardwire | now lemme at em |
| 23:07.28 | creature | At the moment, NetworkManager starts upon booting my laptop and manages my network interfaces. I want to stop it doing this. How? |
| 23:07.39 | hardwire | apt-get --purge remove network-manager\* |
| 23:07.51 | hardwire | aught to do the trick |
| 23:07.56 | stew | creature: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 23:08.32 | creature | Will do, thanks. |
| 23:09.14 | hardwire | fine fine |
| 23:09.19 | hardwire | I will rejoin debian-boot |
| 23:09.26 | hardwire | and rebabble at them |
| 23:10.19 | stew | hardwire: which packages.gz are you talking about? |
| 23:10.27 | stew | hardwire: by 'module' do you mean "package"? |
| 23:10.44 | creature | stew: That doesn't really help. |
| 23:10.54 | creature | I don't want the daemon to start, but I don't want to uninstall it all. |
| 23:11.08 | stew | creature: use rcconf or update-rc.d to disable the init script |
| 23:11.33 | hardwire | stew: by packages.gz I mean http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/lenny/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 23:11.33 | creature | Can I just remove the symlink? |
| 23:11.43 | stew | creature: i meant for youto read the readme to see a way you could have it started but have it not manage some or all of your interfaces |
| 23:11.46 | stew | creature: yes |
| 23:11.56 | stew | creature: or rename it from Sxx to Kxx |
| 23:12.20 | creature | stew: I think having networkmanager manage some interfaces and /etc/network managing some other ones is more trouble than it's worth. |
| 23:12.29 | hardwire | stew: and by modules I mean pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6/*-modules-2.6.18-4-amd64-di_1.21_amd64.udeb |
| 23:12.50 | hardwire | thats for situation number 2 |
| 23:13.15 | hardwire | situation number 1 is mismatched module udebs in the netinst/businesscard iso's |
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| 23:13.46 | themill | night all! |
| 23:13.57 | creature | stew: I see network-manager, network-manager-dispatcher, and dbus links. Do I need to remove them all, or should I leave some there? |
| 23:13.58 | stew | hardwire: what problem is caused by the mismatch |
| 23:14.05 | hardwire | seriously? |
| 23:14.11 | stew | yes |
| 23:14.36 | hardwire | d-i has no idea how to install the module udebs that exist on the CD |
| 23:14.44 | hardwire | because they don't match the kernel its running under |
| 23:14.52 | hardwire | same goes for mini.iso |
| 23:15.08 | stew | hardwire: what does this Packages.gz have to do with modules on the CD? |
| 23:15.11 | Drevay | ok guys |
| 23:15.26 | hardwire | stew: no.. that only has to do with using mini.iso |
| 23:15.44 | sk4ter | helpme en xmailserver |
| 23:15.44 | Drevay | i have a 120 gb ATA hdd in this computer, i have another 250 gb ATA that i want to put in, how do i get debian to recognize it? |
| 23:15.47 | sk4ter | helpme en xmailserver |
| 23:15.55 | stew | hardwire: this Packages.gz is referring to what packages are available from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/lenny/main, not what is available from the CD |
| 23:16.08 | dondelelcaro | sk4ter: stop repeating and ask a recognizable question, please. |
| 23:16.09 | Guerin | sk4ter: ? |
| 23:16.10 | hardwire | no |
| 23:16.28 | hardwire | the packages.gz is from the debian-installer directory |
| 23:16.37 | stew | oh, right |
| 23:16.41 | hardwire | thats what the debian-installer queries when it looks for udeb's for the install process |
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| 23:16.56 | stew | hardwire: then use a stable installer |
| 23:16.59 | qmr | How do I convert a windows INI file to a xml file? |
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| 23:17.10 | hardwire | stew: obviously thats the solution |
| 23:17.26 | hardwire | the problem is everybody out there attempting to use Lenny straight from d-i iso's |
| 23:17.27 | hardwire | and failing |
| 23:17.30 | hardwire | and giving up on debian |
| 23:17.31 | dondelelcaro | qmr: why would you want to do that? |
| 23:17.46 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: have you filed a bug report about it yet? |
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| 23:17.50 | qmr | dondelelcaro: Why is irrelevent. I was asked to do it |
| 23:17.58 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: I did |
| 23:18.05 | sk4ter | Guerin Must the list of output of xmail is from the bottom up. And not find how to do |
| 23:18.13 | dondelelcaro | qmr: why is very much relevant, or I wouldn't have asked |
| 23:18.21 | qmr | dondelelcaro: I don't see how |
| 23:18.29 | dondelelcaro | well, best of luck then |
| 23:18.30 | qmr | "why climb a mountain" "because it's there!" |
| 23:18.38 | Guerin | !tell sk4ter about br |
| 23:18.59 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: I contribute a lot to lots of OSS projects.. so I feel somewhat right saying this.. |
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| 23:19.13 | hardwire | theres a reason everybody feels debian QC is down the tubes |
| 23:19.19 | hardwire | its obvious now, at first I wasn't a believer |
| 23:19.26 | themill | qmr: there is a "standard" format for representing data in an ini file, there isn't one for xml. You need to provide information to get answers. |
| 23:19.29 | hardwire | been using debian since woody |
| 23:19.34 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: you're talking about a development version; but in any event, complaining about it here isn't going to do any good |
| 23:19.35 | qmr | themill: ok, what information? |
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| 23:19.53 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: reporting it anywhere else isn't doing the trick either |
| 23:19.56 | hardwire | no response |
| 23:19.57 | dondelelcaro | qmr: you could start by answering my question |
| 23:20.02 | hardwire | no interest in it |
| 23:20.09 | themill | hardwire: are you really wondering why a daily svn snapshot isn't working? and saying the whole world is falling apart because of that? |
| 23:20.14 | hardwire | this seems like something you would want resolved if you are gonna waste mirror space on it |
| 23:20.20 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: filing a bug and/or actually helping out is the right way to do stuff |
| 23:20.36 | hardwire | themill: no.. I'm complaining about the month long neglect to this issue |
| 23:20.52 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: right, good luck then |
| 23:21.03 | hardwire | if I could fix it myself.. i would |
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| 23:21.11 | themill | hardwire: the d-i team are advising people not to use the lenny installers at present as they are known to be broken. |
| 23:21.26 | stew | hardwire: whats the bug number of the bug you reported? |
| 23:21.49 | dondelelcaro | #445450 is the one that looks similar, and it's already fixed. |
| 23:21.49 | qmr | dondelelcaro: I already did that. |
| 23:22.03 | hardwire | stew: my memory gapped on me |
| 23:22.05 | creature | stew: I see network-manager, network-manager-dispatcher, and dbus links. Do I need to remove them all, or should I leave some there? |
| 23:22.16 | stew | hardwire: how long ago did you report it? |
| 23:22.21 | hardwire | I didn't report the bug, instead I asked the mailing list that seemed most relevent (debian-boot) what tags to use |
| 23:22.41 | tw-nym | Thanks dkr & stew, grub-reboot worked perfectly. |
| 23:22.53 | hardwire | but I reported the bug to the mailing list, just not with a bug number |
| 23:23.00 | hardwire | that wasn't too long ago |
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| 23:23.06 | DawnLight | shite... i've just did a "rm -r $VAULT*" in a directory where i some stuff and i've learned something new |
| 23:23.10 | hardwire | however this has been a global problem for well over a month |
| 23:23.16 | stew | global? |
| 23:23.19 | hardwire | you would think I would not be the only person in the world to experience it |
| 23:23.23 | Guerin | DawnLight: heh. |
| 23:23.30 | stew | hardwire: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 23:23.38 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: well, considering that there aren't any other bugs that look like the issue you're seeing, you may indeed be the only person |
| 23:23.38 | hardwire | reportbug would work fine |
| 23:23.46 | DawnLight | Guerin: rm is forever? |
| 23:23.53 | hardwire | I was having difficulty figuring out the best tags for the bug |
| 23:23.58 | Guerin | DawnLight: depends. What filesystem? |
| 23:24.05 | hardwire | and after searching the bug tracker, it seemed like nothing was relevant to this. |
| 23:24.06 | DawnLight | ntfs, Guerin |
| 23:24.12 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: don't worry about that; the maintainer(s) will correct them if they're wrong |
| 23:24.15 | Guerin | DawnLight: no idea. |
| 23:24.30 | stew | hardwire: report against the "debian-installer" pseudo package |
| 23:24.30 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: no, just report it against the debian-installer package |
| 23:24.39 | DawnLight | !lart rm |
| 23:24.56 | xand | how appropriate |
| 23:24.57 | DawnLight | how appropriate |
| 23:24.58 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: ah.. yeh.. I thought about doing that, but it seemed like nothing else related to my issue.. I will report it in a few seconds against that package |
| 23:25.02 | xand | ! |
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| 23:25.47 | themill | qmr: If you're not going to tell us how you're going to use the xml version of the ini file, then the best you're going to get from us is this, which is perfectly valid but thoroughly useless: echo "<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><ini><![CDATA["; cat yourfile.ini; echo "]]></ini>" |
| 23:25.50 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: I hope you understand that anything that leads to an install of debian should be somewhat functional. that just seems to make sense in my mind. |
| 23:25.53 | themill | qmr: enjoy |
| 23:25.56 | hardwire | thats why I am upset with the QC |
| 23:26.12 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: when you're using development versions, they may not work at all |
| 23:26.20 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: indeed |
| 23:26.26 | hardwire | but if its linked too, people wanna use it |
| 23:26.27 | qmr | themill: Hey there |
| 23:26.28 | qmr | themill: FUCK YOU |
| 23:26.29 | hardwire | etc.. |
| 23:26.30 | qmr | themill: :) |
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| 23:26.45 | hardwire | themill: you have a lot of "fans"? |
| 23:26.54 | themill | it seems so.... |
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| 23:27.11 | hardwire | is it the mill, or them ill |
| 23:27.15 | hardwire | or neither.. |
| 23:27.18 | creature | I want to disable NetworkManager from running at boot. I know I want to disable the NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher services, but should I disable dbus too? |
| 23:27.36 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: sure, but there's no real point in worrying about that |
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| 23:28.04 | dondelelcaro | hardwire: having the development images available for people to use is far better than not having them and getting in the way of the people who want to use them to test the installer |
| 23:28.10 | hardwire | dondelelcaro: you must be a developer then |
| 23:28.16 | dondelelcaro | of course |
| 23:28.23 | hardwire | I'm a bit on both sides of the fence |
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| 23:28.41 | themill | hardwire: the mill.... long story but here's a bit of it: http://www.ysa.org.au/themill/ |
| 23:28.48 | hardwire | wow |
| 23:28.51 | themill | anyway... I'm sure i was going to bed... |
| 23:28.52 | hardwire | I don't have a story for my handle |
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| 23:29.38 | quintin | dondelelcaro: FUCK YOU too. |
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| 23:29.42 | snacky | hardwire: I'll think up a good one for you |
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| 23:29.56 | hardwire | snacky: had it for.... 8 years? |
| 23:30.06 | Guerin | ah yes, quintin |
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| 23:30.09 | stew | hardwire: i just downloaded a weekly cd1, and the packages.gz doesn't refer to anything containing 2.6.18-4 |
| 23:30.10 | hardwire | the only story I have for it is I just like to plug wires into eachother and see if it goes boom |
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| 23:30.12 | snacky | hardwire: ok I will bring in some additional talent to ensure quality |
| 23:30.12 | Guerin | classy guy, that one |
| 23:30.18 | hardwire | stew: link |
| 23:30.33 | stew | hardwire: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 23:30.38 | hardwire | which? |
| 23:30.43 | Petfrogg | hello! Trying to use the nvidia driver for my gfx on Etch. I get a strange error "Unable to allocate DMA memory" |
| 23:30.57 | hardwire | did you install your DMA's? |
| 23:31.05 | hardwire | tricky little buggers |
| 23:31.06 | stew | hardwire: what is a DMA? |
| 23:31.11 | hardwire | :) |
| 23:31.15 | hardwire | Petfrogg: ignore me |
| 23:31.16 | Petfrogg | what is DMA for a gfx card? |
| 23:31.22 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:31.31 | Petfrogg | hardwire: i certanly wont |
| 23:31.32 | hardwire | stew: boot up CD1 in qemu |
| 23:31.49 | hardwire | note that in /cdrom/ only packages for 2.6.22 d-i module udebs exist |
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| 23:31.54 | hardwire | but that its running 2.6.21 |
| 23:32.15 | hardwire | Petfrogg: what did mr google say anyways.. I'm just curious |
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| 23:33.51 | Petfrogg | hardwire: http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Asv-SE%3Aofficial&hs=oGZ&q=linux+nvidia+%22Unable+to+allocate+DMA+memory%22&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta= <- six hits |
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| 23:33.59 | Atalanta | umm, i just installed debian and i cant use apt-get cuz i dont have permission as root, but i dont have sudo installed. is my only option to log in as root and install the packages (or sudo)? |
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| 23:34.23 | hardwire | Petfrogg: yeh, I know how to use google :) |
| 23:34.24 | hardwire | thanks tho |
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| 23:34.54 | JordiGH | Gmail will peek inside encrypted zip files in order to determine if they contain Windows executables or not. What can I use that has stronger encryption than zip? |
| 23:35.03 | hardwire | gpg |
| 23:35.04 | creature | I'd really love it if someone could help me with my NM question, as I need to get it sorted before I go to bed... |
| 23:35.10 | Petfrogg | hardwire: no offence - but i do not know how to use google. If google is my friend - who is my enemy... |
| 23:35.14 | hardwire | creature: if you don't need it, remove it |
| 23:35.22 | creature | hardwire: I don't know if I need it or not! |
| 23:35.24 | hardwire | Petfrogg: live.com |
| 23:35.37 | JordiGH | hardware: So I encrypt the zip with gpg? |
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| 23:35.50 | hardwire | JordiGH: encrypt everything with GPG |
| 23:35.58 | hardwire | but sure, encrypt your zip's with GPG |
| 23:36.17 | JordiGH | What algorithm does gpg use? Or can I choose? |
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| 23:36.30 | hardwire | http://www.gnupg.org/ |
| 23:36.35 | SlackRat | Atalanta: didnt' you make a user account during install? |
| 23:36.35 | hardwire | it lists all for you to see |
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| 23:36.53 | Atalanta | yes but the user doesnt have permission to do aptget buildessential |
| 23:36.56 | JordiGH | hardwire: You won't give me a simple line I can use to encrypt with strongest encryption possible? |
| 23:36.59 | stew | hardwire: strings /mnt/install.386/vmlinuz| grep 2.6 -> 2.6.18-4-486 (unknown@Debian) #1 Wed Feb 21 15:25:16 UTC 2007 |
| 23:37.00 | SlackRat | su ? |
| 23:37.11 | SlackRat | password |
| 23:37.16 | hardwire | JordiGH: one thing about encryption is its not safe if somebody else does it for you :) |
| 23:37.21 | SlackRat | then apt-get build-essential |
| 23:37.35 | Atalanta | neat thanks |
| 23:37.37 | stew | hardwire: which modules package did you need? |
| 23:37.40 | SlackRat | no problem |
| 23:37.42 | JordiGH | hardwire: I don't want it to be safe. I just don't want Gmail to know what's in the file. |
| 23:37.48 | hardwire | stew: most of them |
| 23:37.52 | stew | hardwire: name one? |
| 23:37.55 | SlackRat | another happy deb user freed from the evil ubuntu sudo command |
| 23:38.00 | hardwire | ide-modules |
| 23:38.02 | JordiGH | hardwire: I'm sending the decryption password in the body of the mail message. |
| 23:38.03 | hardwire | xfs-modules |
| 23:38.05 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it has a bunch, but gpg --symmetric --encrypt-files blahblah; |
| 23:38.14 | hardwire | JordiGH: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html |
| 23:38.19 | JordiGH | hardwire: man man |
| 23:38.21 | hardwire | good read |
| 23:38.24 | hardwire | you'd love it |
| 23:38.29 | hardwire | its teh best |
| 23:38.30 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: is presumably what you want; man gpg; for the details |
| 23:38.38 | stew | hardwire: and this cd doesn't contain and xfs-modules package at all |
| 23:38.40 | JordiGH | hardwire: I prefer dondelelcaro's answer. :-) |
| 23:38.45 | creature | hardwire: How do I find out what's using dbus? |
| 23:38.58 | stew | hardwire: but you certainly don't need xfs for installing |
| 23:39.00 | hardwire | JordiGH: yes.. but his answer is going to leave you with a lot of questions :) |
| 23:39.13 | hardwire | stew: heh.. ok.. |
| 23:39.19 | hardwire | your right.. I dunno what I was thinking :P |
| 23:39.29 | hardwire | phew |
| 23:39.33 | hardwire | this takes the stress off.. |
| 23:39.42 | stew | hardwire: what modules package did you need? |
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| 23:39.58 | hardwire | stew: I can't list it for sure, since I'm not near a few of the machines |
| 23:40.10 | hardwire | but in most cases it has to deal with the sata/scsi and network drivers |
| 23:40.14 | hardwire | and of course xfs for the root filesystem |
| 23:40.17 | hardwire | and the lvm modules so like |
| 23:40.19 | hardwire | I can use lvm |
| 23:40.50 | stew | hardwire: those modules are in the initrd, aren't they |
| 23:41.13 | hardwire | not 100% of them |
| 23:41.46 | hardwire | also.. the dhcp client fails to unpack for some reason |
| 23:41.51 | hardwire | but I think thats another bug elsewhere |
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| 23:42.24 | stew | hardwire: it contains 12 different sata drivers |
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| 23:42.32 | hardwire | stew: whats going on here man? |
| 23:42.36 | hardwire | you just don't want to believe me? |
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| 23:42.49 | hardwire | I'm fine with that, but just say so |
| 23:42.50 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:42.54 | stew | hardwire: am i not supposed to be trying to help you here? |
| 23:43.05 | hardwire | what end result can we get to? |
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| 23:43.47 | stew | hardwire: becuase you are asking for help, i downloaded an iso, mounted it, i'm not grepping through cpios to try and find the cause of the problems your are complaining about |
| 23:43.52 | stew | hardwire: should i not be bothering? |
| 23:44.03 | stew | hardwire: is there something we can help you with then? or are you just here to complain? |
| 23:44.10 | hardwire | does the kernel match the modules in your iso? |
| 23:44.15 | hardwire | if not, then theres gonna be a problem |
| 23:44.20 | stew | hardwire: yes, they are both 2.6.18-4 |
| 23:44.33 | hardwire | thats more help than you realize |
| 23:44.43 | n_np_ | I joined joomla and said it is gay! haha |
| 23:45.02 | snacky | wow, there should be some kind of medal for that. seriously. |
| 23:45.10 | stew | n_np_: keep it on-topic |
| 23:45.23 | stew | n_np_: don't use the term 'gay' in here as a derrogatory adjective, its offensive to some |
| 23:45.33 | n_np_ | pardon me |
| 23:45.41 | n_np_ | i was in a mischevious mood. |
| 23:46.23 | hardwire | stew: its because they didn't match, that I was having issues |
| 23:46.48 | hardwire | however.. stew.. is this isn't the debian-installer image |
| 23:46.56 | hardwire | and its etch.. right? |
| 23:47.32 | stew | this is a lenny weekly build |
| 23:47.45 | stew | wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 23:47.49 | stew | is how i got it |
| 23:47.52 | hardwire | I still think there is a problem if the netinst/business/mini isos fail to be useful |
| 23:48.01 | hardwire | stew: believe it or not, those didn't work last week |
| 23:48.10 | hardwire | hehe |
| 23:48.33 | stew | hardwire: give me a url |
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| 23:49.03 | hardwire | stew: I'm working a fresh install and wiped the data, I can't match the md5sums to whats online to give you an accurate url |
| 23:49.48 | stew | ok, its seeming like there is no actual problem |
| 23:50.10 | hardwire | whatever you say stew |
| 23:50.34 | stew | hardwire: you are making a lot of noise, but can't pinpoint an actual problem |
| 23:51.02 | hardwire | oh? |
| 23:51.07 | stew | hardwire: if the problem that you say is so dire that is causing people to go away from debian is that the beta installer doens't currently support xfs, i'd say that isn't such a big deal |
| 23:51.12 | stew | hardwire: yes |
| 23:51.19 | hardwire | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:51.20 | stew | hardwire: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 23:51.23 | hardwire | err |
| 23:51.26 | hardwire | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 23:51.32 | hardwire | thats one.. |
| 23:51.36 | hardwire | yes.. its a daily |
| 23:51.45 | hardwire | yes.. its been going on for a few weeks, if not a month |
| 23:51.54 | hardwire | same with the businesscard |
| 23:52.01 | dondelelcaro | what's the exact problem, though? |
| 23:52.05 | stew | and what exactly is the problem with it? |
| 23:52.12 | hardwire | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 23:52.15 | hardwire | err |
| 23:52.20 | hardwire | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 23:52.24 | hardwire | sorry.. paste buffer blows |
| 23:53.00 | hardwire | the problem in the netinst/businesscard isos is that the kernel its running does not match the available modules on the ISO |
| 23:53.03 | hardwire | mismatched versions |
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| 23:53.26 | hardwire | the problem with the mini.iso is that the kernel its running does not match the available modules in the Lenny D-I packages |
| 23:53.43 | creature | How can I find out what colour depth my X server is running at? |
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| 23:53.54 | hardwire | creature: xwininfo -root is the old school way |
| 23:53.55 | dondelelcaro | creature: xdpyinfo |
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| 23:54.51 | hardwire | I have to go catch up with some contractors and see how they are coming along |
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| 23:55.59 | stew | hardwire: find -name vmlinuz | xargs strings | grep 2.6 -> 2.6.21-2-amd64 (unknown@Debian) #1 SMP Tue Jul 10 21:39:38 UTC 2007 |
| 23:56.21 | creature | Hmm. apparently I'm working at 24-bit colour, but gradients still have discernable 'lines' to them. |
| 23:57.14 | stew | hardwire: and "zcat /mnt/install.amd/initrd.gz | cpio --list" yields lots of files in lib/modules/2.6.21-2-amd64 |
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| 23:57.21 | stew | hardwire: so i still don't see a problem |
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