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| 00:02.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: the issue looks like the udebs of the modules are for 2.6.22, though that really shouldn't cause a problem |
| 00:03.01 | Nyle | Good Evening |
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| 00:05.24 | dondelelcaro | stew: probably just needs to be rebuilt with 2.6.22 |
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| 00:06.21 | loopdee | would there be a way to remove the free space from a dd_rescue image? |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | fill it up? |
| 00:07.20 | stew | dondelelcaro: and so you can load the modules you need out of the initrd, but not post boot? |
| 00:07.20 | loopdee | is that the same as removing ? heh |
| 00:07.50 | dondelelcaro | stew: right |
| 00:08.08 | dondelelcaro | stew: looks like it's sort of in the middle of going to 2.6.22 and didn't quite finish |
| 00:08.14 | stew | right |
| 00:08.25 | SpeedyG | stew: thanks for the hints earlier tonight.. it now booted nicely and my memory is being recognized :D |
| 00:08.37 | stew | and the fact that the weekly has 2.6.18-4 and the daily has 2.6.21-2 tells me that it is in rapid transition |
| 00:08.42 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah |
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| 00:08.56 | dondelelcaro | stew: I don't know when 2.6.22 transitioned to testing |
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| 00:09.17 | stew | dondelelcaro: 10/4 http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20071004T223915Z.html |
| 00:09.32 | dondelelcaro | ah, good; was just about to look |
| 00:09.42 | stew | SpeedyG: cool, you're welcome |
| 00:09.48 | dondelelcaro | so yeah, probably should be fixed soon; harassed -boot about it |
| 00:10.46 | stew | hardwire: please see above. if you need to work-around it in the meantime, we can probably help you |
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| 00:12.08 | Tamgroda | can i extract the kernel settings in a debian kernel? |
| 00:12.09 | stew | karsten: you are being shipped? |
| 00:12.35 | karsten | Tamgroda: Your compile options are in /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 00:12.43 | Petfrogg | thanx |
| 00:12.53 | karsten | Petfrogg: boot options: /proc/cmdline |
| 00:13.17 | karsten | stew: Odd that you mention it, but I spent the weekend moving all my crap^Wvalued posessions. |
| 00:13.27 | n_np_ | guys the eclipse in the repo is out of date! |
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| 00:13.42 | karsten | n_np_: What release? |
| 00:13.54 | karsten | n_np_: And what version of eclipse, and what would you consider current? |
| 00:14.54 | n_np_ | eclipse 3.2.1 is in the repo and eclipse 3.3.1 is the current/latest release |
| 00:14.55 | n_np_ | it has pdt |
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| 00:15.42 | utopia | how can i check the version of an installed package? dpkg show? |
| 00:15.55 | dondelelcaro | utopia: dpkg -l foopkg; man dpkg |
| 00:16.00 | utopia | thanks |
| 00:16.28 | karsten | n_np_: Stable, unstable, testing? |
| 00:16.57 | n_np_ | stable |
| 00:17.01 | karsten | !stable |
| 00:17.02 | dpkg | somebody said stable was the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about <releases>. |
| 00:17.07 | karsten | n_np_: ^^ |
| 00:17.22 | n_np_ | no worries i know what stable is |
| 00:17.25 | karsten | n_np_: You fail to understand stable. Either use backports or track a distro which does update continuously. |
| 00:17.34 | zerge | (stable i386) is there a way to add on-the-fly compression to a loopback file used for dm-crypt ? |
| 00:17.34 | n_np_ | oh ok |
| 00:17.46 | n_np_ | so then etch wont have the newer version of the applications then? |
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| 00:18.16 | karsten | n_np_: Nope. It will continue to have the version which was included when etch was released, barring security issues and critical bugs. |
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| 00:19.13 | stiv2k | how do i tell mutt to look in my ~/Maildir when i open it? |
| 00:19.14 | jbm_ | anyone know of a cli google chat client? |
| 00:19.25 | n_np_ | ok karsten :) |
| 00:19.26 | stiv2k | isntead its looking in /var/mail/steve |
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| 00:19.51 | anom01y | argg |
| 00:19.56 | karsten | stiv2k: "set spoolfile=<path>" |
| 00:20.00 | karsten | stiv2k: in .muttrc |
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| 00:20.17 | karsten | stiv2k: /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/ has a number of muttrc templates. |
| 00:20.21 | karsten | n_np_: NP |
| 00:20.36 | robboplus | can you stop system from using swap? |
| 00:20.39 | karsten | jbm_: netcat :) |
| 00:20.47 | stiv2k | karsten: there isnt just a default one i can copy over and edit accordingly? |
| 00:20.49 | robboplus | i hate it when it stars swapping while there is at least 30% mem free still |
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| 00:20.57 | karsten | robboplus: Disable swap. Why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 00:21.08 | karsten | stiv2k: Look. |
| 00:21.21 | stiv2k | karsten: ok |
| 00:21.45 | stew | !swappiness |
| 00:21.45 | dpkg | [swappiness] A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swapiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3660 |
| 00:21.49 | karsten | robboplus: I'd suggest you activate sar and/or run 'vmstat 4' and monitor your swap and IO performance over time. |
| 00:21.52 | robboplus | hm. |
| 00:22.07 | robboplus | i noticed that swapping causes performance loss |
| 00:22.09 | stiv2k | karsten: stupid question, how do i view the .gz files |
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| 00:22.11 | robboplus | not sure why is that |
| 00:22.24 | robboplus | karsten, what's sar? |
| 00:22.31 | stew | robboplus: it is done in general to increase performance, freeing up unused real ram that can be used for disk cache |
| 00:22.35 | karsten | robboplus: .. and what stew said. If your system's IO performance sucks, get better IO technology. |
| 00:22.52 | Petfrogg | anyone here using a nVidia gfxcard and recon the "Failed to allocate the DMA push buffer" error when using the nvidia-binary driver? |
| 00:22.53 | karsten | robboplus: sar == system activity report, part of systools IIRC |
| 00:23.03 | robboplus | karsten i have SATA drives |
| 00:23.31 | robboplus | many thanks for all the hints - now i will take it to my brain slowly and start working on it |
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| 00:23.50 | karsten | robboplus: atsar or sysutils provides sar. |
| 00:23.50 | torrr | hi |
| 00:24.07 | robboplus | great stuff karsten :) |
| 00:24.27 | robboplus | ok i have just realised that damn thing is swapping again |
| 00:24.35 | robboplus | i dont know WHY |
| 00:24.38 | karsten | robboplus: atsar w/ a suitably enhanced kernel allows per-process tracking of IO. You need to add the atsar kernel patches though. |
| 00:24.50 | torrr | gnome terminal have an encoding option in the menu, but I don't see an improvement after changing |
| 00:24.54 | karsten | robboplus: Very useful for tracking precisely the problem you've got. |
| 00:24.56 | robboplus | 246544k cached, 1064k buffers and it swaps like crazy |
| 00:25.13 | robboplus | just cleared out the swap and it pushed 150 megs there already in a sec |
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| 00:25.30 | robboplus | i don't know what damn process is doing that even and what for |
| 00:25.45 | robboplus | it has never been like that before |
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| 00:25.59 | karsten | robboplus: Look at 'top' or ps output and look for apps with a large VSIZE |
| 00:26.32 | robboplus | karsten well there is one app using 570MB virt but still that box got 1 gig |
| 00:26.33 | karsten | robboplus: Dibs says firefox/iceweasel, though OO.o and poorly-coded shell scripts (a house specialty) can also be culprits. |
| 00:26.59 | karsten | robboplus: Linux pages rather than swaps, so an app can be partially swapped. How much total RAM? |
| 00:27.10 | robboplus | that one got 1GB of ram |
| 00:27.42 | robboplus | i just don't know how to start digging into this prob |
| 00:27.55 | robboplus | already 340MB in swap again... |
| 00:28.17 | robboplus | which causes high io load and lowers down the perfomance of whole thing |
| 00:28.19 | karsten | robboplus: The amount of data _in_ swap really doesn't matter. The bigger the better, as far as you care. |
| 00:28.30 | robboplus | yes but IO is strange here |
| 00:28.35 | karsten | robboplus: The amount of data *swapping* in a given interval is what slows down your system. |
| 00:28.42 | robboplus | and the more it swaps the worse performance i got |
| 00:28.51 | robboplus | hm could be |
| 00:29.03 | robboplus | as it just swapped out 200megs in less than 15 secs |
| 00:29.06 | karsten | robboplus: iostat will give you swap blocks in/out, and iowait values, which shows you whether or not you really have a memory problem, and how significant it is (and its impacts are). |
| 00:29.15 | robboplus | is it possible to narrow down swapping somehow? |
| 00:29.22 | karsten | robboplus: Sure. Kill apps. |
| 00:29.34 | karsten | robboplus: ... and see whether or not the system continues to page. |
| 00:29.44 | robboplus | hm i will happily try iostat to see if i can understand what's going on in there |
| 00:29.57 | robboplus | hm ok very good idea :) |
| 00:31.01 | SpeedyG | stew: I only have one more question, now that i've got this custom compiled kernel, which of the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18 packages should I use, or should I have compiled that with the kernel itself using the nvidia-kernel-source package as well? |
| 00:32.46 | karsten | robboplus: Just run vmstat in a terminal for a while and watch the output. It gets pretty evident what's going on. vmstat, iostat, top, ps, and sar are my basic tools. |
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| 00:33.20 | robboplus | karsten wish they were mine as well :) |
| 00:33.32 | robboplus | karsten got to get used to those.. mostly topping for now |
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| 00:34.34 | karsten | robboplus: top is useful but lacks some of the details you can get from the other tools. 'ps' in particular has an output selector '-o <list>' |
| 00:35.19 | karsten | robboplus: Try: ps -e -o user,pid,ppid,state,pcpu,time,etime,rss,vsz,tty,cmd |
| 00:35.33 | karsten | robboplus: rss == total memory, vsz == virtual. |
| 00:35.49 | robboplus | hm. |
| 00:36.07 | robboplus | i do appreciate your kind help - really tons of useful info |
| 00:36.08 | SpeedyG | stew: hm, nvm :) my favorite bot allready gave me some hints ;) (dpkg ofcourse :D ) |
| 00:36.13 | karsten | robboplus: Erm, vsz == total, rss == amount in RAM. |
| 00:36.47 | robboplus | hrhm. |
| 00:36.57 | robboplus | rss! great stuff :) |
| 00:37.04 | robboplus | so that's amount in ram you say |
| 00:37.11 | robboplus | mysqld is being the big sucker here |
| 00:37.17 | robboplus | 516164 |
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| 00:37.38 | robboplus | that's like huge.. got one db there which is like 140MB perhaps |
| 00:37.46 | robboplus | so why is it using 500megs? |
| 00:37.59 | karsten | robboplus: /join #mysql |
| 00:38.08 | robboplus | right :) i'm always there |
| 00:38.22 | karsten | robboplus: You can tune DB performance characteristics. Databases are very memory happy. Tends to improve performance, but may be overkill. |
| 00:38.40 | karsten | robboplus: If you're running a DB, I'd boost RAM on that box. We've got systems here with 64-128 GB. |
| 00:39.02 | robboplus | hm. |
| 00:39.20 | robboplus | 64GB of ram? wish i ever saw this much in a box :) |
| 00:39.47 | Nyle | thats not for everyday desktop use |
| 00:40.02 | karsten | Nyle: Sure it is ;-) |
| 00:40.05 | robboplus | lol |
| 00:40.06 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:40.10 | robboplus | nice one ;) |
| 00:40.15 | karsten | robboplus: Large server farm. |
| 00:40.20 | robboplus | very nice :) |
| 00:40.35 | robboplus | hm ok so the problem is in mysqld now while i was suspecting another app |
| 00:40.47 | robboplus | and it seems obvious that what gets swapped out is that mysql data |
| 00:40.49 | robboplus | right? |
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| 00:41.22 | karsten | robboplus: Likely. It's a bit hard to sort out per-process swappiness without the atop patches. |
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| 00:41.57 | robboplus | hm i could also work on the mysql conf as i was playing there lately... possibly made too much fun of it |
| 00:42.14 | karsten | robboplus: http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/ |
| 00:42.33 | robboplus | and hm, 516 megs is vsz... i managed to look at the wrong column.. but still rss is 176 megs |
| 00:42.42 | karsten | robboplus: Most of that's available w/in Debian. atop kernel-patch-atopcnt |
| 00:42.46 | robboplus | ok another url to look at ;) |
| 00:43.06 | robboplus | so that would allow me to control swappiness per app |
| 00:43.17 | karsten | No. |
| 00:43.20 | robboplus | oh hm. |
| 00:43.21 | karsten | You can just monitor it. |
| 00:43.28 | robboplus | argh right. |
| 00:43.38 | karsten | You'd control it through other tools: either the app's own config, ulimit, or other means. |
| 00:43.54 | robboplus | ulimit... |
| 00:44.14 | robboplus | i would be able to just say NO to swapping in case of 2 apps: mysqld and one more that i run |
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| 00:44.29 | robboplus | i would love it if i was able* |
| 00:44.54 | robboplus | but first i will learn how to use atop and watch for a while |
| 00:45.10 | karsten | You can set per _user_ limits to memory via /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 00:45.30 | robboplus | hm another great hint karsten. |
| 00:45.37 | robboplus | i can hardly keep up with noting lol |
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| 00:45.51 | karsten | robboplus: However there are issues with doing that (performance, apps crashing for lack of resources. What you really want is more RAM. 2-4 GB sounds like what you want. |
| 00:46.04 | karsten | robboplus: Turn on logging in your IRC client ;-) |
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| 00:46.30 | robboplus | well i could add more ram but... thing is that the same setup used to be fine before, not sure why on earth it all went bananas since few days |
| 00:46.46 | robboplus | yes, got logging on but too much logs is what i hate to browse :) |
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| 00:47.39 | diafic_ | sleep now. night. |
| 00:48.20 | karsten | robboplus: mysql should also provide some of its own resource stats, though I'm less familiar with that. |
| 00:48.32 | robboplus | there are... but kind of limited |
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| 00:49.41 | karsten | Yeah... |
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| 00:51.25 | robboplus | karsten? how normal is it to have like 400-500 tps in iostat when doing swap off/on? |
| 00:51.41 | robboplus | that's like horrible... |
| 00:51.54 | robboplus | Device: tps kB_read/s kB_wrtn/s kB_read kB_wrtn |
| 00:51.54 | robboplus | sda 415.15 4.04 2234.34 4 2212 |
| 00:52.02 | robboplus | and why so slow? |
| 00:52.11 | robboplus | shoudn't it be way faster and use less tps? |
| 00:52.50 | karsten | robboplus: Not sure. |
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| 00:54.43 | sputnick_ | hello |
| 00:54.46 | sputnick_ | who knows the crontab syntax "@reboot foo" ? because it seems to doesn't work |
| 00:55.02 | efaistos | did someone install debian on a samsung R70 |
| 00:55.03 | efaistos | ? |
| 00:55.38 | efaistos | It doesnt find the cdrom but i dont know the module for that cdrom driver |
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| 00:55.58 | abrotman | sputnick_: @reboot <user> <command> |
| 00:55.59 | dondelelcaro | sputnick_: man 5 crontab; |
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| 00:56.27 | dondelelcaro | and if you want something to run as root at reboot, just use rc.local |
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| 00:58.31 | socket___ | Hi. Is there a debian way to enable/disable daemons at startup without changing the system v symlinks? |
| 00:59.00 | socket___ | also without using update-rc.d (which does the same) |
| 00:59.14 | kgoetz | socket___: no |
| 00:59.17 | efaistos | nobody ? |
| 00:59.36 | Nyle | !red hat tools |
| 00:59.36 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; etc |
| 00:59.48 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 00:59.50 | sputnick_ | dondelelcaro: it's for a script, so I need it portable. rc.local is pure debian style, I don't think red-hat have the same |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | actually .. rc.local can be made to run on any system |
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| 01:00.56 | sputnick_ | without any tricks ? out of the box ? jus making the files abrotman ? |
| 01:01.04 | sputnick_ | *just |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | sputnick_: depends on the system |
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| 01:01.32 | abrotman | is @reboot portable ? |
| 01:01.45 | sputnick_ | red-hat, centos, esx (red-hat vmware) |
| 01:01.53 | sputnick_ | I think so, no ? |
| 01:02.04 | sputnick_ | debian of courses |
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| 01:04.08 | mcbane | hi |
| 01:04.10 | mcbane | i have to put about 7000 picture slices, each 720x480 pixels, into one big picture file (yeah, I know, it is crazy). Can you suggest any software? I tried the following, which did not work, because it could not allocate enough memory, or because of other restrictions: gd, pil, imagemagick |
| 01:04.28 | abrotman | !info hugin etch |
| 01:04.32 | dpkg | hugin: (a Panorama Tools GUI to make panoramas from multiple pictures), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.6.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | i don't know if it will work for oyu or not |
| 01:05.03 | mcbane | abrotman: do you think that it can handle that much input? |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | dunno .. i've never tried to abuse it like that |
| 01:05.37 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: what do you plan on doing with these picture slices? |
| 01:06.07 | efaistos | can we do an net install with the dvd also ? |
| 01:06.14 | mcbane | I want to convert them into another sliced format, but before I can do that I have to create one big picture out of it |
| 01:06.15 | dondelelcaro | efaistos: yes |
| 01:06.20 | efaistos | because the dvd-rom is not recognize |
| 01:06.34 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: why do you think you need to create a big picture out of them to do that? |
| 01:07.01 | mcbane | dondelelcaro: because the converter I have to use only accepts one picture file |
| 01:07.26 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: so call it 7000 times |
| 01:08.19 | efaistos | arghhh even the network card is not detected ... |
| 01:08.19 | dondelelcaro | there's almost no way in hell the converter you're going to use is capable of reading a file that big and doing anything useful with it anyway |
| 01:08.19 | mcbane | dondelelcaro: impossible. That would create sliced versions that wont fit together |
| 01:08.19 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: why? |
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| 01:08.23 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: if you know where you want them sliced, you stick the images that are going to be part of one slice together, and then cut them apart |
| 01:08.25 | mcbane | dondelelcaro: because of the format it has to be sliced in. |
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| 01:08.33 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: what format is this? |
| 01:08.36 | snacky | dondelelcaro: I, for one, am rooting for you. |
| 01:08.39 | snacky | er, I mean, mcbane |
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| 01:09.29 | mcbane | dondelelcaro: these are the big images in the sliced format we want to have changed: http://www.mhm.uni-mainz.de/ |
| 01:09.48 | abrotman | mcbane: ewww .. warning first! |
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| 01:10.02 | mcbane | snacky: sorry, English is not my mother language. I did not understand you. What do you mean by rooting for me? |
| 01:10.12 | snacky | mcbane: I hope you win. |
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| 01:10.23 | mcbane | snacky: thanks :) |
| 01:11.10 | mcbane | abrotman: what do you want me to warn before? |
| 01:11.31 | abrotman | mcbane: nevermind .. |
| 01:11.48 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: that's not really answering the questions; whatever program it is reads the images in some format, and writes them out in another |
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| 01:12.29 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: unless they're totally insane, they're reusing some existing format to map the split images appropriately. [And if the plugin does what I think it does by displaying histological sections, it has to be designed to take separate images from a field] |
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| 01:13.28 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they're just histological sections; nothing particularly exciting |
| 01:13.48 | mcbane | dondelelcaro: The programm I were given definitely accepts only one image file as input. |
| 01:13.59 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: well, someone is lying to you |
| 01:14.01 | sputnick | why @reboot root command dosn't work for me ? is someone have tried it sucessfully ? |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was joking .. sorry |
| 01:14.09 | sputnick | in crontab |
| 01:14.20 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: which crontab are you using? How do you know it isn't working? |
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| 01:15.17 | dondelelcaro | mcbane: or they haven't given you the program which turns a massive collection of images of scope fields in a particular scan order into a single image of the proper format |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | !tell cmanns about root |
| 01:15.19 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: root crontab with : "@reboot root nice -20 sysrqd &" i tried also : "@reboot if ! ps -A|grep -q sysrqd; then ( nice -20 sysrqd & ); fi |
| 01:15.36 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: which root crontab? |
| 01:15.41 | sputnick | ???? |
| 01:15.44 | mcbane | dondelelcaro: I will ask them. It is quite annoying. |
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| 01:15.58 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: crontab -e |
| 01:16.08 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: then it's just @reboot blah blah blah blah; |
| 01:16.25 | sputnick | that's what I do first ! |
| 01:16.38 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: make sure it's sending you mail, and make sure that sysrqd is in the path. |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | cmanns: you can't irc here as root .. |
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| 01:17.09 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: since that command is almost assuredly running at boot, but it may not be doing what you expect. |
| 01:17.13 | sputnick | which sysrqd |
| 01:17.13 | sputnick | /usr/sbin/sysrqd |
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| 01:17.57 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: /usr/sbin isn't in the path for cron |
| 01:18.02 | efaistos | did someone install debian on a samsung R70 laptop ? |
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| 01:18.24 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: man 5 crontab |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | cmanns: you're not going to be able to talk in here as root .. stop trying |
| 01:18.38 | dondelelcaro | efaistos: some probably has, but google'd probably be the best place to check |
| 01:18.58 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: good idea :) |
| 01:19.12 | efaistos | dondelelcaro: ;) i send just a mail on some debian list ... wait and see ;) |
| 01:19.25 | efaistos | good night anyway ;) |
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| 01:20.13 | sputnick | I will try now :) |
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| 01:21.10 | cmanns | There we go |
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| 01:25.50 | sputn1ck | I tried : "@reboot /usr/bin/nice -20 /usr/sbin/sysrqd &" but doesn't work too :/ |
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| 01:27.26 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how to get stage6.divx.com videos to play in any browser on etch? |
| 01:27.58 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: how do you know it doesn't work? |
| 01:28.13 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: try something simple, like @reboot touch /root/testing |
| 01:28.49 | dondelelcaro | since most likely your command is being called, it's just not doing what you expected |
| 01:29.09 | dondelelcaro | (or expects something special, like a TTY, etc. and is failing without producing any useful output) |
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| 01:29.58 | Atalanta | is there some default way to download files without using links or lynx or something? |
| 01:30.09 | Atalanta | like, "wget" |
| 01:30.18 | Atalanta | oh |
| 01:30.20 | Atalanta | ... |
| 01:30.26 | PiousMinion | umm? lol |
| 01:30.29 | Ronin | heh |
| 01:30.43 | Atalanta | its one of those times when the answer comes to you because your tryin to think of how to ask |
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| 01:32.11 | Atalanta | neat, i love linux. |
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| 01:41.15 | tnks | are there more current xen binaries than 2.6.18? |
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| 01:41.51 | tnks | if not, I guess I can compile a kernel. |
| 01:42.54 | tnks | but I don't know much about where Xen patches are. |
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| 01:45.20 | abrotman | tnks: that's what is in stable |
| 01:45.39 | dondelelcaro | tnks: unstable will most likely start building them again with 2.6.23 I'd think |
| 01:46.10 | Atalanta | hi, im wondering, is this the wrong syntax for tar? tar --bzip2 -xf /path/to/file.tar.bz2 |
| 01:46.20 | tnks | dondelelcaro: yeah, in the meantime, I'd like to have a current kernel, but we'd like to use Xen at work. |
| 01:47.10 | slocate | how do you see what dpkg knows about a topic? |
| 01:47.15 | Atalanta | slocate: does that look right to you |
| 01:47.28 | dondelelcaro | slocate: /msg dpkg help; look at listkeys/listvals |
| 01:47.37 | slocate | thanx |
| 01:48.32 | Tramp | Atalanta: tar xjf |
| 01:48.37 | Atalanta | thanks |
| 01:48.39 | SlackRat | Atalanta: check man tar.................tar as a command has several options |
| 01:48.50 | Atalanta | im just following http://www.boost.org/more/getting_started/unix-variants.html#get-boost |
| 01:48.56 | SlackRat | xjf being the norm these days |
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| 01:49.21 | Atalanta | i dont know why i get "no such file or directory" |
| 01:49.26 | robboplus | [02:59:36] <dpkg> If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. |
| 01:49.27 | jbm_ | does the file exist? |
| 01:49.29 | robboplus | lmao... |
| 01:49.35 | Tramp | Atalanta: though I don't knw on furst glance, why --bzip2 fails |
| 01:49.49 | SlackRat | try and cd (change directories) to where the tar package is and try |
| 01:50.12 | Atalanta | i am ;) |
| 01:50.39 | Atalanta | oooh im missing bzip2 |
| 01:50.45 | jbm_ | there you go :) |
| 01:50.52 | SlackRat | did you check permissions to make sure its exetutable? |
| 01:52.00 | Atalanta | i just installed bzip2 with apt-get |
| 01:52.04 | Atalanta | =D |
| 01:52.07 | Atalanta | heh |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | Atalanta: you're trying to install libboost ? |
| 01:53.44 | Atalanta | yeppo |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | in etch ? |
| 01:53.54 | Atalanta | id rather not use apt-get for this ;) |
| 01:53.58 | Atalanta | sure, i guess. whatever stable is |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | wtf .. then why are you asking us ? |
| 01:54.13 | Atalanta | i wasnt. i was asking why tar wasnt working |
| 01:54.18 | Atalanta | i figured it out. ;) |
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| 01:57.26 | plb | is there an easy way to get GDM to execute a xrandr instruction on load? |
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| 02:24.19 | endra | hey |
| 02:24.37 | endra | I've got a dedi server running debian and I don't know if it's.. secure. It's up to date and all but how do I know if it has been compromised? |
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| 02:26.12 | johnadsfsdfdf | does anyone know the name of the ncurses based gui program for setting the runlevel for init.d scripts? |
| 02:26.25 | Guerin | !services |
| 02:26.25 | dpkg | hmm... services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 02:27.01 | johnadsfsdfdf | thanks, next time i just have to remember "!services" ! |
| 02:27.27 | ma3x | why on packages.debian.org kalarm has the following version 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1, but when you apt-cache show kalarm with backports line in your sources, it shows 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-6 |
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| 02:31.03 | Yggdrasil | how do i do like an lspci but for the pccards ? |
| 02:31.58 | jbm_ | look in /proc/bus/pccard |
| 02:32.02 | dakoo | lspcmcia |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 02:32.25 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 02:32.40 | Yggdrasil | lspcmcia |
| 02:32.42 | Yggdrasil | thats the one |
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| 02:34.36 | Yggdrasil | hmmm lspci cmd not found |
| 02:34.49 | Yggdrasil | hmmm lspcmcia cmd not found |
| 02:34.58 | jbm_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:35.42 | Yggdrasil | negative |
| 02:35.53 | jbm_ | well, on my deb machine lspci is in /usr/bin/lspci and lspcmia is in /sbin |
| 02:35.54 | Yggdrasil | got a p[rety minimun install here |
| 02:36.00 | jbm_ | packages.debian.org |
| 02:36.11 | PiousMinion | install pciutils? |
| 02:36.21 | Yggdrasil | i got lspci |
| 02:36.50 | jbm_ | get pcmciautils |
| 02:36.54 | Yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 02:37.06 | Tr0gd0r | anyone know a program that will stress my memory and cpu/ |
| 02:37.08 | Tr0gd0r | ? |
| 02:37.15 | Yggdrasil | 'stress |
| 02:37.15 | jbm_ | amarok |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | memtest and cpuburn |
| 02:37.19 | Yggdrasil | stress |
| 02:37.24 | PiousMinion | Tr0gd0r: vista |
| 02:37.28 | Tr0gd0r | haha |
| 02:37.32 | Yggdrasil | windows vista |
| 02:37.34 | Tr0gd0r | i need something that will run in debian |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 02:37.44 | Yggdrasil | bah beat me 2 it |
| 02:37.47 | dakoo | debian perhaps |
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| 02:39.08 | Tr0gd0r | which cpuburn should i run for a k8 |
| 02:39.15 | Tr0gd0r | i see k6 k7 p5 and p6 |
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| 02:40.23 | abrotman | just pick one |
| 02:40.25 | Tr0gd0r | hmm and now i see cpuburn not found |
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| 02:40.26 | Tr0gd0r | :( |
| 02:40.30 | Tr0gd0r | after i did apt-get instlal |
| 02:40.34 | Tr0gd0r | install* |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:40.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 02:40.45 | Tr0gd0r | -sh: cpuburn: command not found |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | dpkg -L cpuburn |
| 02:41.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching cpuburn |
| 02:41.57 | Yggdrasil | strss man |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | at least spell it right |
| 02:42.43 | Tr0gd0r | will this run until i do ctrl+c? |
| 02:43.15 | abrotman | or the machine blows up |
| 02:43.40 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | it wasn't a joke |
| 02:44.06 | PiousMinion | I know, but that doesn't make it any less funny. |
| 02:44.07 | Tr0gd0r | haha |
| 02:44.23 | Tr0gd0r | well my server randomly reboots under load |
| 02:44.30 | Tr0gd0r | so im trying to simulate that environment |
| 02:44.45 | Tr0gd0r | got burnP5 going and memtest going at the same time |
| 02:44.50 | PiousMinion | Tr0gd0r: might want to watch your tempuature. |
| 02:45.08 | Tr0gd0r | server shouldnt overheat unless not built properly |
| 02:45.16 | Tr0gd0r | and k8temp isnt built into my kernel :( |
| 02:45.24 | beardy | What shouldn't and not is irrelevant. Do as suggested. |
| 02:45.45 | Tr0gd0r | well its not mine, so if it breaks my server provider will fix it :) |
| 02:45.56 | Tr0gd0r | their fault if it overheats |
| 02:46.02 | beardy | Why bother us then, go get a new one. |
| 02:46.05 | PiousMinion | Good reason to try and blow it up if you ask me. |
| 02:46.18 | Tr0gd0r | well its been rebooting randomly so maybe they will swap it for a new one |
| 02:46.52 | n3kl | chkrootkit detects my installation of ngircd 6667 as an infected bind port. |
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| 02:49.28 | testergg | Hi, I am trying to get a capture working and it almost works but the picture is fuzzy, the information I can find is that I need to make changes to the files under /etc/modprobe.d/bttv and is there is way to reload this after I make changes or does it only happen on reboot? |
| 02:49.34 | beardy | n3kl: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 02:49.41 | n3kl | berkes: etch |
| 02:49.48 | Guerin | beardy: tv captures are nothing to do with debian |
| 02:49.52 | Guerin | argh |
| 02:49.56 | Guerin | testergg: tv captures are nothing to do with debian |
| 02:49.57 | beardy | Guerin: ... |
| 02:50.04 | Guerin | beardy: b is too close to t |
| 02:50.08 | Guerin | it's not my fault! |
| 02:50.13 | n3kl | beardy: sorry, etch |
| 02:50.21 | beardy | Guerin: Yes it is! Always! |
| 02:50.30 | testergg | Guerin: I'm running etch and I am trying to get it to work with mythtv I guess it's really a modules question? |
| 02:50.53 | beardy | n3kl: And that program, from an official etch repository? |
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| 02:51.09 | n3kl | beardy: yes, all official |
| 02:51.42 | n3kl | beardy: perhaps I *should* have checked bugtraq before installing |
| 02:51.48 | Guerin | testergg: it could be a video driver issue, a tuner issue, an encoder issue or anything else |
| 02:52.04 | beardy | n3kl: I can't really help you further, just trying to make things clear.. Have you googled, or yes, checked for bugs, either on that ircd, or chkrootkit? |
| 02:52.35 | testergg | Guerin: yes I agree, but I need to make changes to the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file and my question was is there a way to unload this file and have it reloaded without rebooting |
| 02:53.09 | Guerin | testergg: man modprobe |
| 02:53.24 | testergg | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:53.28 | Guerin | testergg: it's usually trivial, but if you have to pass parameters to the module it can get a bit tricky |
| 02:54.53 | testergg | Guerin: apparently I need to change the tuner= value but there is no docs on what the right value is so I need to trial and error, I was hoping I could figure out how to unload the module and reload it without rebooting, I did read the man pages for modprobe before asking but my tests show I didn't understand them well :) |
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| 02:57.45 | n3kl | beardy: cool, I am looking around. I hope there is no residual damage because of my philandering =[ |
| 02:58.16 | beardy | n3kl: Yes, looked around a bit me too. |
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| 03:00.12 | beardy | n3kl: But can't find anything about your problem, only of another false positive bug of chkrootkit.. You might want to really have a look there.. What more services do you run on the machine? |
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| 03:00.42 | n3kl | beardy: do you have a link to that? |
| 03:01.07 | Tr0gd0r | i have been maxing my cpu for over 10 mins but my load is still only 2.6. is that normal? |
| 03:01.12 | Tr0gd0r | shouldnt it be like 10? |
| 03:01.47 | n3kl | beardy: services: dovecot, gkrellmd, apache, ssh. Nothing is too critical, I would prefer not to have to rebuild my mail server, but mostly its an apache reverse proxy. |
| 03:02.00 | Yggdrasil | hmm whats lighter than fluxbox ? fvwm and ... |
| 03:02.13 | corea | twm? |
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| 03:02.22 | Yggdrasil | twm ? |
| 03:02.30 | Yggdrasil | tiny window manager |
| 03:02.54 | corea | the original one I think |
| 03:03.02 | Yggdrasil | oh i see |
| 03:03.02 | snacky | actually it stands for "tab window manager" |
| 03:03.06 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 03:03.10 | snacky | apparently "tab" means "sucks" in some language? |
| 03:03.11 | Atalanta | it makes me very happy to install debian at its cleanest, with only what i need =D |
| 03:03.12 | Yggdrasil | i got flux on here.. |
| 03:03.19 | Atalanta | it feels so... clean! |
| 03:03.28 | Yggdrasil | and i thought that was pretty light but wonder if theres something better |
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| 03:03.32 | snacky | there are wms that use less memory than twm |
| 03:03.37 | corea | except I doubt if anyone could stand twm :) |
| 03:03.41 | Atalanta | no gui, just build-essentials, bzip2, and slocate =D |
| 03:03.43 | dondelelcaro | lots of people use twm |
| 03:03.47 | snacky | for instance, old (mid 90s) versions of fvwm. or, the first version of windowmaker. I'm sure there are others |
| 03:04.07 | Atalanta | i like bblean |
| 03:04.10 | beardy | n3kl: Yes.. I meant, really have a look on your machine, so that it has not been cracked. http://www.archivum.info/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/2005-11/msg03007.html anyway, not related to your problem though, as I said.. |
| 03:04.42 | corea | it's extremely primitive... maybe that's its charm |
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| 03:16.56 | what_if | Need help finding the name of a security scheme... see http://pastebin.ca/738231 please |
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| 03:17.05 | corea | what's the status of xen-3.1 backport for etch? |
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| 03:17.19 | what_if | hoping to find a shell or telnet daemon that supports it in debian |
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| 03:21.18 | corea | what_if I don't get it... what you trying to do? |
| 03:21.43 | what_if | corea: find the name of that security algorithm |
| 03:22.07 | corea | oh, what do you want to do with a security algorithm? |
| 03:22.35 | what_if | corea: semi-secure telnet into a machine |
| 03:22.59 | corea | anything wrong about ssh? |
| 03:23.46 | what_if | corea: its over ham radio, could do ssh minus the first "s", which is sh... which is esentially telnet |
| 03:23.58 | Tr0gd0r | is tehre a scandisk equivalent command in debian? |
| 03:24.04 | what_if | corea: plus the link is at 1200 baud (eww) |
| 03:24.25 | corea | oh, do you talk on ham radio? |
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| 03:25.32 | corea | I guess you can't have encryption on ham |
| 03:26.21 | beardy | Tr0gd0r: fsck(8) |
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| 03:26.41 | Atalanta | hi, is there a standard c++ method of getting the current time in seconds? |
| 03:27.08 | beardy | #c++ is over there |
| 03:27.24 | what_if | corea: yep me-ham |
| 03:27.54 | what_if | corea: yeah, no encryption over ham... what about flogin rsh ?? |
| 03:27.59 | what_if | *rlogin |
| 03:28.07 | Atalanta | beardy: ive been askin in there for 20 mins and they just keep sayin "[22:21] <nzk> A better question than "how" would be "why"." and "[22:21] <nzk> Do you need, or simply want?, [22:21] <nzk> One only needs food and shelter." |
| 03:28.12 | Atalanta | nobody else in tehre is awake ='( |
| 03:29.05 | corea | Atalanta: looks like a bottome |
| 03:29.12 | Atalanta | ? |
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| 03:31.26 | corea | see theres c++ compiler which takes your c++ stuff and does stuff with it... but it doesn't have functions... there;s a std c++ lib tho |
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| 03:37.52 | beardy | "bot to me" |
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| 03:41.20 | corea | Atalanta: ir you look at the instructions for using the lib it might tell you about something that will talk to the time/date clock |
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| 03:41.39 | Atalanta | thanks |
| 03:42.22 | corea | but c++ by itself doesn't talk to hardware (without being told exactly how) |
| 03:43.19 | juanddperez | NelsonFx: me voy a acostar viejo.. mañana tengo clases muy temprano |
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| 03:43.28 | juanddperez | a vaina, equivocao.. sorry.. :P |
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| 03:56.08 | corea | what's the status of xen-3.1 backport for etch? |
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| 04:11.33 | bttb | Hi all |
| 04:11.52 | what_if | elo |
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| 04:16.53 | bttb | Is there some kind of file that keeps a record of software that I want installed? |
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| 04:18.37 | gryfel | bttb: use dkpk -l |
| 04:18.59 | emss | how do I tell apt to break dependencies and use another version of a package? |
| 04:19.00 | gryfel | that shows a list of installed packages# |
| 04:19.06 | bttb | That'd show me what's installed right? |
| 04:19.08 | bttb | Ok |
| 04:19.39 | bttb | But that's not really what I'm looking for. Let me "rephrase" :) |
| 04:21.49 | bttb | I'm looking for some kind of master record that holds the software I _really_ want. Everything else should be considered unneccessary and deletable (in case it's not a neccessary dependancy). |
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| 04:22.22 | Pobega | bttb: Do you mean to say you want to see what you've installed, counting out the things that have been installed as dependencies? |
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| 04:23.43 | gryfel | bttb: create the list with dbkg -l >list.txt |
| 04:23.56 | Pobega | bttb: Try this: aptitude search "~i" | grep -v "i A " | less |
| 04:24.17 | gryfel | Then use apt-get -remove --purge to delete a packages, that seams useless for you |
| 04:24.45 | Pobega | Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're asking...Then ignore what I've said :) |
| 04:24.50 | gryfel | it will aks you, if you really want do delete it, if it has depencies and shows, what else will be removed |
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| 04:25.38 | gryfel | if there are UNUSED packages in your system, yo can use deborphan to find them |
| 04:25.46 | gryfel | (or was it called oprhaner?) |
| 04:25.50 | bttb | But that could mean having to manually remove lots of packages |
| 04:25.55 | bttb | Right? |
| 04:26.22 | gryfel | yes |
| 04:26.27 | gryfel | or just install a base-system |
| 04:26.42 | gryfel | and install any package manual |
| 04:27.34 | kgoetz | manually in a very relative sense |
| 04:27.57 | bttb | Thank you! |
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| 04:30.35 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone point me to a tool or howto to help me rename my ipod? |
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| 04:33.48 | bttb | http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#example-printer |
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| 04:51.16 | emss | SF7: need more logs |
| 04:53.23 | utopia | how do i update to the latest debian release? |
| 04:54.18 | streuner | utopia: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 04:54.24 | SF7 | emss: which ones? |
| 04:55.17 | emss | SF7: probably the Xorg and gdm/kdm logs |
| 04:55.31 | emss | or rather just Xorg since you are using startx |
| 04:55.59 | kgoetz | SF7: you probably need to recofigure xorg to use a different video driver |
| 04:56.15 | kgoetz | and it probaby restarts after 90 seconds (thats what it used to be) |
| 04:57.13 | SF7 | kgoetz: how? |
| 04:57.59 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.10 | tw-nym | How does QoS show up in ps aux or top as far as CPU usage goes? I'm pumping about 80mbit through it and it is maxing out a core on my 2GHz box. |
| 04:59.21 | tw-nym | Or rather, something is maxing it out. |
| 04:59.23 | kgoetz | SF7: when it says ok and drops you back toa terminal, log in as root, and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then restart gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm restart (or kdm) |
| 04:59.30 | kgoetz | !drxx |
| 04:59.31 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:59.37 | kgoetz | SF7: ^^^ see that |
| 05:00.00 | kgoetz | tw-nym: top will show you what using a lot of cpu time |
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| 05:00.49 | tw-nym | The highest process is rtorrent at 14%.... that doesn't explain the 90% of wait. |
| 05:00.57 | rcbarnes | Is there a testing package for nouveau? |
| 05:01.10 | rcbarnes | I don't see anything with apt-cache search |
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| 05:01.29 | rcbarnes | But I've a N40, which is pretty much supported for 2D, which is all I need. |
| 05:01.42 | SF7 | dpkg-reconfigure isn't found |
| 05:01.56 | kgoetz | SF7: did you log in s root? |
| 05:03.37 | SF7 | ok gottit - $PATH was fux0rd |
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| 05:23.44 | xipietotec | bizzare question, does anyone know of a program that will let you turn a Playstation style controller into a mouse? |
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| 05:30.15 | civillian | xipietotec: lol. why not use a mouse, btw? |
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| 05:42.14 | xipietotec | civillian, 18 button mouse. |
| 05:42.36 | xipietotec | and I could map one analog stick to normal mouse movement, and the other to an alt attribute |
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| 06:23.17 | basanta | i just apt-get install ntop and did ntop -i eth0 -d but ntop would not start |
| 06:28.28 | sleppy | basanta: what is nt***? |
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| 07:02.03 | niru | Hi |
| 07:02.11 | r0b- | hi |
| 07:02.14 | niru | I have a sony-DSC-W35 camera |
| 07:02.21 | niru | It is not detected in debian |
| 07:02.26 | niru | what driver I need to install |
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| 07:09.22 | r0b- | niru what part wont it detect? |
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| 07:09.25 | r0b- | the memory card |
| 07:09.44 | niru | r0b-, the device itself is not getting detected |
| 07:09.46 | cilkay | Hello. Where do you specify who is going to sign a particular Debian package when it's built? |
| 07:09.47 | niru | its not mounting |
| 07:09.54 | niru | I have gtkam |
| 07:10.09 | niru | in that the sony cameras section does not specify this model |
| 07:10.14 | r0b- | hmmm |
| 07:10.16 | r0b- | thats odd |
| 07:10.26 | r0b- | my mother uses an Olympus camera |
| 07:10.34 | r0b- | and i have a Generic card reader |
| 07:10.38 | r0b- | and Debian sees it |
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| 07:11.09 | niru | r0b-, what card reader? |
| 07:11.13 | niru | How u did that |
| 07:11.33 | r0b- | its an Ultra Floppy/Card Reader |
| 07:11.37 | r0b- | its auto detected |
| 07:11.43 | niru | r0b-, oh |
| 07:11.51 | niru | may be the model is available in gtkam |
| 07:12.02 | niru | r0b-,what u use is it gtkam |
| 07:12.09 | r0b- | no |
| 07:12.18 | r0b- | i dont use programs like that |
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| 07:12.36 | niru | r0b-, its a frontend |
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| 07:12.44 | niru | r0b-, how can I make it to detect |
| 07:12.55 | r0b- | do u have a card reader? |
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| 07:13.15 | niru | r0b-, no |
| 07:13.19 | r0b- | oh |
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| 07:22.14 | cmanns | I was told to enable paravert how'd I do this? |
| 07:22.39 | r0b- | ?? |
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| 07:26.03 | jahshua | hello everyone. |
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| 07:26.28 | snacky | on behalf of everyone, hello jahshua |
| 07:26.36 | jahshua | :) |
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| 07:30.04 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to know the load average of each day ? |
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| 07:31.38 | cmanns | ah I think I figured it out |
| 07:31.59 | cmanns | config_vmi=y and confg_paravirt=y in the kernel config |
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| 07:36.21 | uyohm | Good morning everyone, how do I set bash autocompletion in 4.0r1 ? |
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| 07:37.15 | uyohm | for root that is ... |
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| 07:39.02 | simonrvn | same as for a regular user |
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| 07:39.22 | eps | I'm after a keyboard daemon so I can map media keys to functions, whats a decent one some one uses? |
| 07:39.50 | Eulex | xbindkeys or lineakd |
| 07:39.56 | eps | thanks |
| 07:40.25 | simonrvn | i use keytouch |
| 07:41.17 | uyohm | simonrvn : autocompletion is already turned on for my regular user , just not for root... |
| 07:41.41 | uyohm | simonrvn : by default I mean |
| 07:42.00 | niru | r0b-, r u there |
| 07:42.05 | niru | I have got the card reader |
| 07:42.14 | simonrvn | and... i need to know this why? |
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| 07:42.18 | niru | r0b-, how to do it now |
| 07:42.53 | r0b- | ? |
| 07:43.22 | niru | r0b-, can u tell me the process |
| 07:43.52 | r0b- | im busy sorry |
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| 07:49.46 | niru | has anybody use dsony camera in debian |
| 07:49.52 | niru | its not detected |
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| 07:50.20 | uyohm | simonrvn : never mind ,I thought you replied to my first question, sorry to waste your & my time ..... |
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| 07:50.58 | simonrvn | uyohm: i did, i just didn't understand why you were telling me that |
| 07:51.40 | blj | is there any way of blocking the IP requests originating from a list of black list IP address |
| 07:52.01 | simonrvn | just DROP them in iptables |
| 07:52.32 | uyohm | simonrvn : well u said the same for a regular user , bot for a regular user autocompletion is turned on by default , so I wouldnt know how to do it ! (for my root shell ....) |
| 07:53.05 | simonrvn | you look at yours, and copy it, and modify it if needed |
| 07:53.53 | cydork | uyohm: check your .bashrc for regular user. it sources /etc/bash_completion |
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| 07:54.30 | uyohm | simonrvn , cydork : Thanks ! |
| 07:54.34 | blj | i want to get the ip black lists from a public source, wondering if there is any ready made scripts that allow us to do so |
| 07:54.37 | rmaj | why debian have broken network by default? that is, no dns caching and quering DNS on each access apparently... that madness |
| 07:55.14 | cydork | rmaj: dns caching by defualt? why? |
| 07:55.37 | simonrvn | s,debian,glibc, ; |
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| 07:56.20 | rmaj | cydork: to not have horrible slow network if the DNS server is slow |
| 07:56.42 | simonrvn | rmaj: if you don't mind opening yourself to dns cache poisoning, and other issues, install nscd and enable the hosts lookup. |
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| 07:56.59 | simonrvn | and that, i would say is unsupported |
| 07:57.14 | rmaj | nscd or masqdns? |
| 07:57.15 | simonrvn | there's good reason it's disabled |
| 07:57.28 | simonrvn | read what i said, not what you think i said |
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| 07:58.36 | rmaj | so that only half requests will be to invalid site? |
| 07:58.48 | simonrvn | dns lookups are inexpensive, udp most of the time, and easy. if you have a slow nameserver, then fix it or change it |
| 07:58.57 | rmaj | wouldnt it be better to have a deamon that would do say 5 requests, if they match - cache, if not - allert |
| 07:59.09 | rmaj | hmm ok bbl |
| 07:59.12 | simonrvn | why? |
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| 07:59.21 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 07:59.56 | cydork | wtf? |
| 08:01.02 | simonrvn | i blame windows |
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| 08:01.33 | cydork | !blame bill gates |
| 08:02.13 | simonrvn | 'culture'? heh |
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| 08:08.02 | bullgard4 | How is a 'database client program' defined? |
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| 08:09.13 | cydork | bullgard4: is this homework? |
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| 08:26.04 | Zenox | when does debian etch's apache2 get updated to the 2.2.6 version found in lenny (remember some statuspage one could look at for different packages)? |
| 08:27.34 | FalscherHase | hi. i have problems with the fglrx module 8.40.4, that has recently entered testing, on linux 2.6.22. it hard locks shortly after starting X. i have neither found anything in the logs nor a bugreport in this direction. has anyone heard of or experienced the same? |
| 08:28.03 | cydork | Zenox: etch is stable, it won't get any updates. Unless they are security fixes. But you can try backports.org |
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| 08:28.31 | Knight_Lord | What kernel modules do I need for USB support? |
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| 08:30.40 | Zenox | cydork: ah okay hmm, i'll try backports then. thanks for clarifying.. |
| 08:31.52 | cydork | Knight_Lord: usbcore? uhci_hcd/ehci_hcd? or what do you mean? |
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| 08:38.33 | Knight_Lord | cydork for some reason my usb stick was not being recognized |
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| 08:38.44 | cydork | !usb_storage |
| 08:38.44 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 08:38.55 | dimsuz | hi! what's the package containing emacs22 manual? I seem to not have one installed. |
| 08:39.02 | Knight_Lord | I was also getting this error usb 4-2: device not accepting address 13, error -71 |
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| 08:42.19 | cydork | dimsuz: some of the info pages are under gfdl. so for that you have to get the emacs22-common-non-dfsg which is in non-free. |
| 08:42.39 | dimsuz | cydork: wow. thanks for info! |
| 08:42.40 | initself_ | Thanks for having me, #debian. |
| 08:42.56 | initself_ | First time install, worked great, I think I'm leaving slack in the dark ages. |
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| 08:46.14 | garo | I want to use limits.conf to limit the cpu usage of processes from users, but it seems that i have to limit the cpu time. I don't really get how this works. If I limit a user to 5 minutes cpu time for example, does that mean his processes can use the cpu 5 minutes each hour ? |
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| 08:47.31 | tobb | hi, in what time intervalls syncs ntp the system time? |
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| 08:49.43 | streuner | thats configurable, IIRC |
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| 08:50.02 | defected | is there any way to have 2 mouses in use at the same time ? |
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| 08:50.09 | defected | i can use them on windows but on debian only one seems to work |
| 08:50.25 | defected | does it have something to do with xorg.conf ? |
| 08:50.50 | streuner | tobb: look at the config-file of your client |
| 08:51.08 | tobb | i did that |
| 08:51.13 | tobb | found nothing |
| 08:52.23 | FalscherHase | defected: yes, it needs to be configured in xorg.conf |
| 08:52.48 | tobb | streuner: this is my config file http://pastebin.org/4951 |
| 08:53.15 | tobb | of the server |
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| 08:53.16 | defected | FalscherHase any tips ? |
| 08:53.24 | FalscherHase | defected: see if you have a section "InputDevice" that uses /dev/input/mice |
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| 08:54.08 | FalscherHase | defected: that's a device file, that "merges" all connected mice |
| 08:54.17 | streuner | tobb: ntpd could do that |
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| 08:56.01 | tobb | i installed the "ntp" package (debain etch) |
| 08:56.09 | tobb | is that what you mean? |
| 08:56.20 | SlayerXP | tobb: this is #debian, not #debain |
| 08:57.33 | tobb | mistype... i mean debian |
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| 08:59.19 | tobb | i want to update the system time every houre |
| 08:59.25 | tobb | how to do that? |
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| 09:01.41 | streuner | by reading the fine documentation? |
| 09:02.02 | tobb | yes the most problems could be solved by this way |
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| 09:02.52 | tobb | but if someone here knows the answer it would be faster |
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| 09:05.50 | mhall | How can I set a filter in mutt to delete mail from some crazy people who won't quit harrassing me? I have not had any luck Googling or looking through the online help. |
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| 09:06.08 | xand | mhall: filters should be server side... do you use exim? |
| 09:07.35 | streuner | mhall: Titan rockets would solve that problem faster ;-) |
| 09:07.36 | mhall | xand: no postfix |
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| 09:07.44 | mhall | streuner: not an option |
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| 09:08.27 | xand | mhall: well... if that does things like exim, a .forward filter file would do it |
| 09:08.27 | streuner | How about to make an entry in procmail? |
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| 09:10.08 | mhall | xand: I don't see how I can do that with that file. |
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| 09:10.19 | mhall | xand: And I can't figure the manpage which explains that hideous syntax. |
| 09:10.23 | xand | mhall: well I don't know about postfix... I use exim and it works fine |
| 09:10.32 | mhall | Does mutt seriously not have filtering and I'm just screwed or what. |
| 09:10.42 | mhall | xand: but where the hell did you figure out what to put in there? |
| 09:10.43 | streuner | mhall: :0 D H ;* ^Subject:.*evilspammer ; |formail -A "X-Reason: Spammen" >> $HOME/Mail/spam.mail |
| 09:10.53 | xand | mhall: the exim.org website |
| 09:11.09 | streuner | you have to say your MTA use procmai, of course |
| 09:11.19 | streuner | s/procmai/promail/ |
| 09:12.43 | streuner | :0 B |
| 09:13.35 | streuner | * ^.*(evilspammer|sex) |
| 09:13.35 | streuner | /dev/null |
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| 09:14.23 | streuner | ^^^ search for "evilspammer" or "sex" in the body of the Mail and redirect to /dev/null |
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| 09:15.00 | streuner | the first example looks only in the header itself |
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| 09:15.43 | mhall | yeah i haven't got enough ram on this mailserver to deal with procmail |
| 09:15.51 | streuner | heh, BS |
| 09:16.02 | streuner | my server has 64 MB RAM ;-) |
| 09:16.12 | streuner | WinChip 200 ;-) |
| 09:16.40 | streuner | procmail uses almost nothing, you thinking of spamassasin |
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| 09:17.25 | jelly | streuner: ... why do you do ^ and then .* ? |
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| 09:18.20 | streuner | jelly: if you know better, teach mhall the syntax :-) |
| 09:18.33 | streuner | there are lots of examples out there in the web |
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| 09:19.19 | jelly | last time they paid me to explain regexpes, and it wasn't worth it even that way |
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| 09:20.30 | jelly | it's just unneeded to match beginning of line, and then throw a .* wildcard right after |
| 09:22.14 | mhall | Postfix only appears to support the sendmail syntax for .forward files. |
| 09:22.30 | mhall | So I don't think there is a real filtering ability there. |
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| 09:26.35 | jelly | mhall: debian's postfix uses procmail as a MDA if it's there. even if it does not, you can still put procmail in your .forward |
| 09:27.37 | petemc | exim filter 4tw |
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| 09:29.47 | streuner | in postfix very easy, just one line to tell, "Hey, use procmail" |
| 09:30.29 | petemc | yeah, but procmail, whilst well documented, is terse and overly complex |
| 09:30.38 | petemc | exim filter is simple and easy to read |
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| 09:30.55 | streuner | !start an MTA war |
| 09:30.55 | dpkg | exim has an evil license |
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| 09:34.14 | Lamer | wooooooo |
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| 09:39.02 | possie | with findsuper i think i've found my backup superblock, anyone know how i would be able to mount my partition now? |
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| 09:40.37 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 09:59.43 | suwro | hello |
| 10:00.03 | suwro | is there any method to allow normal user to mount in loop iso images ??? |
| 10:00.35 | garo | yes |
| 10:00.40 | garo | make him root |
| 10:00.45 | utopia_ | lol |
| 10:00.46 | garo | use sudo |
| 10:01.18 | utopia_ | you funny man garo |
| 10:01.19 | suwro | garo: using sudo mount iso images as ROOT - the question was - if... as norma luser. |
| 10:01.52 | ix | make an entry in /etc/fstab which les him mount an iso file at a given location, then let him overwrite that iso file as it fits him. |
| 10:02.23 | garo | change the sudoers file so that the user can execute mount with root permissions |
| 10:02.34 | suwro | ix: that's an option - but what if i have 100 users on this machine and they all have all kind of iso images to verify? |
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| 10:03.02 | suwro | garo: sudo sudoers other root method is out of question. |
| 10:03.48 | suwro | garo: neither changing mount with +s flag. |
| 10:03.49 | kronic | hey, I'm trying to bond a wired ethernet interface and a openvpn tunnel, I managed to get bond0 up, however the tunnel becomes the master/active interface (even when its specified as the slave) and no traffic passes (even when its tested in a non-bonded state) |
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| 10:04.31 | suwro | kronic: did you put routes correct? - what |
| 10:04.53 | suwro | kronic: what is your default gw on client ? |
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| 10:05.29 | kronic | yeah, I set the to bond0 |
| 10:05.32 | kronic | *the route |
| 10:05.53 | kronic | hmm, actually |
| 10:06.22 | kronic | I'd have to test, I understand what you mean |
| 10:06.23 | kronic | brb |
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| 10:08.55 | suwro | "... The mounting of your removable media is done by root, and controlled with suitable mount options as I outlined above. This prevents users from burning a SUID root shell to a CD and inserting into into a Linux box for a quick root " |
| 10:08.58 | suwro | this is crap |
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| 10:10.21 | suwro | they can do this from a windows machine - so if i am so lame to let my linux box to boot from cd - then i deserve this - but my box does boot only from hdd, grub is password protected... noone can boot from cd unless hack the box hardware. |
| 10:10.30 | suwro | back to my ishue. |
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| 10:10.48 | suwro | why a normal user can't mount a cd iso image. |
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| 10:11.13 | kronic | yeah, routes seem fine |
| 10:11.29 | suwro | i am reffering to the kernel loop mechanism - so - no "root" |
| 10:11.42 | kronic | I mean, the wired connection and the vpn bridge point to the same subnet |
| 10:11.47 | suwro | kronic: ping device? on client? |
| 10:12.09 | suwro | kronic: aaa - you can't have that working... |
| 10:12.11 | kronic | suwro: sorry, what do you mean exactly |
| 10:12.24 | kronic | its an openvpn bridge |
| 10:12.27 | suwro | kronic: you have to remap. |
| 10:13.07 | kronic | suwro: again, what do you mean exactly |
| 10:13.31 | suwro | kronic: after bridging devices - both networks act as one - so ping 192.168.0.10 from vpn client to vpn server won't work because you have 2 machine with same ip. |
| 10:13.52 | suwro | imagine net1 as client and net2 as server. both on 192.168.0.x |
| 10:14.35 | suwro | let's say you have 10 machines on both from 192.168.0.[1-10] ok? where 192.168.0.1 is route (identical net) |
| 10:15.33 | suwro | net1 -> vpn -> net2 [net1:bond0 10.0.0.2 -> net2:bond0 10.0.0.1] -> your vpn connect correctly |
| 10:15.41 | suwro | in this moment - you have a chaos. |
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| 10:16.00 | indraveni | hi all |
| 10:16.12 | indraveni | i have a sony dsc-w35 digital camres |
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| 10:16.25 | suwro | ip net1:192.168.0.5 can receive packages from net2:192.168.0.5 |
| 10:16.26 | indraveni | and I installed the drivers for it by gphoto2 package |
| 10:16.28 | suwro | got it? |
| 10:16.44 | suwro | kronic: you have 2 choices here!! |
| 10:16.49 | indraveni | but when i am trying to detect the camra thought the gtkam, its showing as, Could Not Initialize camera |
| 10:16.59 | indraveni | what must be the problem ? |
| 10:17.17 | kronic | suwro: sure |
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| 10:18.08 | indraveni | anyone there to help me with my digitalk camera ? |
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| 10:19.12 | suwro | kronic: either you put net1:192.168.1.x and net2:192.168.0.y |
| 10:19.26 | suwro | kronic: or you can split in 2 192.168.0.x |
| 10:19.42 | suwro | so net2 get half of ip's and net1 rest |
| 10:19.58 | suwro | kronic: fixed ip or dhcp ? |
| 10:20.21 | kronic | the bonded interface is a fixed ip, because I had issues with dhcp |
| 10:20.35 | suwro | kronic: if you-re on dhcp then you can do this easy. |
| 10:20.38 | suwro | kronic: i |
| 10:20.52 | suwro | kronic: I'll send you my dhcp config - ?? |
| 10:21.22 | kronic | sure |
| 10:21.28 | suwro | kronic: just to help you - it is working well - from 4 years when i swithced to debian. |
| 10:21.33 | suwro | kronic: 1 sec. |
| 10:21.45 | kronic | thanks |
| 10:21.49 | initself_ | I'm having trouble getting my msttcorefonts to render in Iceweasel. |
| 10:22.24 | Piromana | mapmo |
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| 10:22.51 | initself_ | in my /var/lib/defoma directory, i do have symlinks for my TrueType fonts. |
| 10:23.06 | initself_ | And the TrueType font directory is in my xorg.conf. |
| 10:23.12 | internat2 | so im trying to come up with a nice type way of telling people that there accounts have been disabled (courier-pop/imap using mysql) im thinking i redirect them to a different home directory that has a "new" message saying its been disabled, but im looking for other ideas |
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| 10:23.22 | initself_ | But I can't get anything to recognize their existence. |
| 10:23.46 | initself_ | xlsfonts | grep -- '^microsoft' doesnt' turn up anything. |
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| 10:23.54 | initself_ | what am i missing? |
| 10:24.05 | kronic | initself_: does fc-cache -fv |
| 10:24.18 | kronic | return a number of fonts for that directory |
| 10:24.29 | initself_ | fc-cache: failed |
| 10:25.03 | initself_ | for /sr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts: caching, 60 fonts, 0 dir |
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| 10:25.44 | initself_ | kronic: that did it. |
| 10:25.48 | initself_ | what does that command do? |
| 10:25.57 | kronic | its the fontconfig cache tool |
| 10:26.18 | initself_ | kronic++ |
| 10:26.23 | initself_ | Thanks. |
| 10:26.37 | kronic | np |
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| 10:35.41 | henwork | how do i check my harddrives info? company / model etc? |
| 10:35.56 | SlayerXP | henwork: look on the case? |
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| 10:36.28 | henwork | its not our machine we're offered to but a backup server and i wanna check the model etc |
| 10:37.03 | SlayerXP | henwork: have whoever owns it look at the case. |
| 10:37.37 | henwork | cant i check from within the os? |
| 10:37.54 | SlayerXP | henwork: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 10:38.31 | henwork | HOW :|? |
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| 10:39.25 | SlayerXP | henwork: if you're lucky, dmesg or /var/log/boot might have it |
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| 10:40.07 | henwork | wtf |
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| 10:41.06 | simonrvn | /var/log/dmesg too |
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| 10:44.06 | Mark17 | hello, where is the php cli option installed when i install php5 and apache2 with apt-get install? |
| 10:45.07 | henwork | simonrvn is there no certain way of doing that? |
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| 10:46.18 | henwork | HP CISS Driver would mean its an HP radi array? :x |
| 10:46.53 | henwork | hm |
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| 10:49.57 | ghost | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7963124 |
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| 10:50.57 | streuner | Wtf ist that? |
| 10:51.00 | tomaw | ghost: please don't paste pennergame links into freenode channels. doing so will get you banned from both |
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| 10:51.58 | streuner | evil |
| 10:53.52 | Eulex | "Diesen link als spam melden" |
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| 11:00.32 | indraveni | i have a sony dsc-w35 digital camres |
| 11:00.34 | indraveni | and I installed the drivers for it by gphoto2 package |
| 11:00.36 | indraveni | but when i am trying to detect the camra thought the gtkam, its showing as, Could Not Initialize camera |
| 11:00.38 | indraveni | what must be the problem ? |
| 11:00.40 | indraveni | anyone there to help me with my digitalk camera ? |
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| 11:02.07 | linio | indraveni: are You in camera group? |
| 11:02.08 | ma3x | does anyone have java version "1.6.0"? |
| 11:02.20 | xand | !anyone |
| 11:02.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:02.23 | indraveni | linio, yes |
| 11:02.31 | indraveni | i am working as root user |
| 11:02.34 | ma3x | xand, i know but i need someone to try something |
| 11:02.50 | xand | ask the real question then |
| 11:03.02 | slapfaceware | is tehre way to run screen without installing it |
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| 11:06.02 | Petfrogg | hello! Anyone here that is registered to the www.nvnews.net forum? i am trying to register but the Registration image is corrupted. |
| 11:06.03 | indraveni | my hwinfo comnnad shows my camera details |
| 11:06.10 | indraveni | why does it not work? |
| 11:06.11 | indraveni | then ? |
| 11:06.12 | Petfrogg | i need help in a search... |
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| 11:06.51 | linio | indraveni: and You are running gtkam as root? |
| 11:07.06 | indraveni | linio, yes |
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| 11:19.32 | slapfaceware | is tehre way run gnu=screen withoutinstall |
| 11:20.24 | streuner | hm |
| 11:20.26 | Eulex | slapfaceware, what do you mean? run screen without installing it? why? |
| 11:20.45 | slapfaceware | ...i've no admin previlege |
| 11:21.12 | wols | just copy it ovreß any special reason it wouldn |
| 11:21.15 | wols | wouldn't work? |
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| 11:22.33 | Eulex | slapfaceware, you could dpkg -x it and set your paths accordingly. |
| 11:23.17 | Eulex | slapfaceware, or compile it from source and run it from the directory you compiled it in. |
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| 11:29.47 | tt | Does the kernel also upgrade when upgrading from etch to lenny? |
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| 11:37.20 | wols | tt: yes. you don't need to but lenny has a new kernel |
| 11:38.08 | henwork | why the etch->lenny blabber? |
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| 11:38.48 | Alarm | hello, where can i find whats the latest kernel for testing ? |
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| 11:38.57 | wols | !tell Alarm about search |
| 11:38.59 | mark_s | hi all, I need help with adding a route. |
| 11:38.59 | mark_s | One of our customers wants to install his own router in our small office. Now we need to route all connections to his ip to his router. Is that possible? |
| 11:39.17 | mark_s | We have no DNS running. |
| 11:39.27 | Alarm | :) |
| 11:39.42 | wols | mark_s: you use debian as a router? |
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| 11:41.02 | mark_s | no, we have mac osx clients. But it should be a "route add" command but I don't know how |
| 11:42.13 | wols | what does your debian actually do? |
| 11:42.37 | Alarm | strange, i find on lenny 2.6.18 . i know i installed 2.6.22 , i wanted to know if there is 2.6.23 available |
| 11:42.39 | mark_s | I have two debian server running. one as a file server and one as a backup server |
| 11:42.56 | wols | mark_s: and what has that to do with a new route? |
| 11:43.16 | wols | do your debian boxes need a new route, and if so, why? |
| 11:44.06 | wols | Alarm: you aren't searching properly |
| 11:44.29 | Alarm | anyway. what i want to ask, is it possible to do a distupgrade. upgrade everything instead of my kernel ? to keep it untouched and keep the stable kernel (2.6.18). or this could cause problems ? |
| 11:44.54 | mark_s | wols: yes, because one of our costomers want's to install his router in our office. So as soon as we work on his server it has to go through his router. All the other stuff has to go through toe default gateway |
| 11:45.21 | mark_s | toe=the |
| 11:45.30 | wols | mark_s: this is not a debian problem |
| 11:45.36 | wols | unless your debian does the routing |
| 11:45.56 | wols | Alarm: you can do it. so far it won't cause problems. no guaratnees for the future |
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| 11:46.29 | Alarm | how could i do that ? i mean i a dist-upgrade by keeping back my kernel |
| 11:46.34 | mark_s | wols: I got that. But how do I have to set up a debian client to perform this spliting? |
| 11:47.06 | wols | mark_s: what splitting? you can't told us what you really need |
| 11:47.23 | wols | the routing is done on a ROUTER. what router do you have? |
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| 11:48.57 | wols | with debian you need a PC with more than one NIC usually and the do some routing with iptables or similar. but all depends on your specific setup |
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| 11:50.16 | mark_s | wols: if I conntect to google the client should use our default router 192.168.0.111. If I connetct to the server of this customer the client is not allowed to use the 192.168.0.111 as gw. It should use the router of the customer. The customer is configuring the router and asked for an IP. I gave him the 192.168.0.113. But the clients won't use the 192.168.0.113 unless I tell them to do so. How do I do this? |
| 11:50.53 | mark_s | wols: We have only one NIC installed. |
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| 11:51.52 | Alarm | is there anyway to exlude the kernel packages from the dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:52.47 | wols | mark_s: and which machine is to do the routing? |
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| 11:53.35 | linio | Alarm: echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections |
| 11:53.58 | wols | you will basically do some multihoming using different interfaces depending from which IP the connection comes |
| 11:54.17 | Alarm | liable what does that do ? |
| 11:54.22 | wols | to what machine is the client's router/machine connected? |
| 11:54.31 | Alarm | linio i meant |
| 11:54.51 | wols | Alarm: simply install a epcific ethc kernel and don't install a metapackage kernel and a lenny upgrade won't change your kernel |
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| 11:55.47 | Alarm | echo package , i suppose thats the package name ? kernel-image. and kernel-headers ? |
| 11:56.07 | mark_s | wols: we have one switch to wwhisch all the clients an routers are connected |
| 11:57.48 | tt | newbie question. I've downloaded kernel 2.6.22 (in the file patch-2.6....bz2). I then bunziped it and i got the file "patch-2.6.22.". What type of file have I now created? It has no suffix. |
| 11:58.20 | deriaN | One router to rule them all, one ring to find them all, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them |
| 11:58.38 | deriaN | Arhg dammit, i messed up. |
| 11:58.43 | deriaN | S/ring/router ;-) |
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| 11:58.53 | basanta | i just apt-get install vsftpd, I can do anonymous upload, I want to setup so that system user and upload to their respective home directory |
| 11:59.05 | wols | mark_s: then you need to change that. cause if you only do it at the client's PC, he could change it all by himself again and surf via your router |
| 11:59.07 | xand | !ftp |
| 11:59.07 | dpkg | from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 11:59.28 | wols | tt: a patch. why do you need this? |
| 11:59.39 | wols | tt: you haven't downloaded a kernel |
| 11:59.53 | tt | Thats what I thought :p |
| 12:00.05 | wols | !wayttd tt |
| 12:00.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tt? |
| 12:00.20 | mark_s | wols: What do you mean with "surf via your router"??? |
| 12:00.21 | tt | Compile a new kernel |
| 12:00.29 | valdyn | why is it that everyone and their mother thinks he needs to compile a kernel |
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| 12:01.30 | Nyle_ | dunno |
| 12:01.44 | Nyle_ | moms usually don't give a rats patoot about computers |
| 12:01.55 | cydork | valdyn: the same reason people use gentoo? |
| 12:01.55 | wols | mark_s: you said the client is not allowed to use 192.168.0.111 as gw |
| 12:02.07 | valdyn | cydork: indeed |
| 12:02.18 | cydork | valdyn: it gives them l33t points.. |
| 12:02.49 | valdyn | part of gentoo is actually that it's so nicely documented |
| 12:02.51 | wols | mark_s: and I still haven't seen any reason this would be a debian problem. at all |
| 12:02.54 | tt | Or I accidently installed the wrong kernel in the debian set up. |
| 12:02.55 | valdyn | at least that's what i found |
| 12:02.57 | Nyle_ | if I were to compile a kernel, I'd strip it down to its undies, fully optimized for only the hw I have in my machine, plus whatever else that is needed, thats all |
| 12:03.02 | wols | tt: then install another one |
| 12:03.12 | tt | that was my plan |
| 12:03.15 | Nyle_ | I really don't even see a reason for myself to use anything other than a stock debian kernel |
| 12:03.20 | wols | tt: install != compile |
| 12:03.22 | Nyle_ | just works wonderfully out of the box |
| 12:03.27 | cydork | valdyn: true.. but then again they don't have an option.. |
| 12:04.00 | wols | tt: if you can compile a kernel you can also install a debian one and save yourself 2 hours |
| 12:04.52 | tt | wols: Any pointers or resources for more information? |
| 12:04.55 | Nyle_ | !gentoo |
| 12:04.55 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 12:05.08 | valdyn | hmm, debian should probably ship a kernel where one can use blktrace and realtime-lsm |
| 12:05.13 | wols | !tell tt about apt-howto |
| 12:05.20 | wols | tt: all you need |
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| 12:05.33 | mark_s | wols: thank for your help. I will do further reading on this multihoming. |
| 12:05.41 | tt | wols: Thanks. |
| 12:06.22 | wols | tt: why are you exactly trying to compile a kernel? |
| 12:07.09 | tt | wols: I accidently installed the wrong one in the debian setup. This caused me some problems with my hardware, like powertop can't run etc. |
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| 12:07.21 | valdyn | tt: nonsense |
| 12:07.26 | valdyn | tt: utter nonsense |
| 12:07.27 | wols | ok, then install the proper one this time |
| 12:07.34 | valdyn | tt: which error is powertop giving? |
| 12:08.03 | tt | Note: this is only available in 2.6.21 and later kernels |
| 12:08.13 | tt | I've got 2.6.18 |
| 12:08.14 | valdyn | tt: that's not an error |
| 12:08.20 | valdyn | tt: that's an informal message |
| 12:08.23 | tt | I know |
| 12:08.26 | valdyn | tt: and it sais something else too |
| 12:08.46 | valdyn | tt: like 'enable the tickless feature ' or somesuch |
| 12:08.51 | wols | !bpo |
| 12:08.52 | dpkg | backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 12:09.02 | wols | tt: look there, there you can find a kernel >.21 |
| 12:09.23 | tt | Thanks. |
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| 12:11.18 | valdyn | i don't think any debian kernel is tickless yet, but that's probably a good thing |
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| 12:15.52 | Nyle_ | valdyn: tickless? |
| 12:16.04 | valdyn | !tickless |
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| 12:16.19 | Nyle_ | valdyn: time to feed dpkg a factoid :) |
| 12:16.36 | valdyn | Nyle_: kernel that doesn't wake up 100 / 250 / 1000 times per second as was the case before |
| 12:16.48 | Nyle_ | The tickless kernel feature (CONFIG_NO_HZ) enables 'on-demand' timer interrupts |
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| 12:17.10 | valdyn | dpkg: tickless is <reply> The tickless kernel feature (CONFIG_NO_HZ) enables 'on-demand' timer interrupts. |
| 12:17.11 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 12:17.14 | valdyn | !tickless |
| 12:17.14 | dpkg | The tickless kernel feature (CONFIG_NO_HZ) enables 'on-demand' timer interrupts. |
| 12:17.27 | valdyn | not to enlightening |
| 12:17.38 | Nyle_ | eh |
| 12:17.43 | Nyle_ | its something at least eh |
| 12:19.01 | valdyn | dpkg: tickless =~ s/interrupts. /interrupts, enabling the CPU to go into sleep states for longer durations, saving energy, extending battery life./ |
| 12:19.01 | dpkg | valdyn: that doesn't contain 'interrupts. ' |
| 12:19.20 | valdyn | dpkg: tickless =~ s/interrupts./interrupts, enabling the CPU to go into sleep states for longer durations, saving energy, extending battery life./ |
| 12:19.20 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
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| 12:20.26 | Nyle_ | !tickless |
| 12:20.26 | dpkg | The tickless kernel feature (CONFIG_NO_HZ) enables 'on-demand' timer interrupts, enabling the CPU to go into sleep states for longer durations, saving energy, extending battery life. |
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| 12:20.48 | Nyle_ | grammatical error in the last part, but good enough |
| 12:21.12 | stew | valdyn: i thought the i386 kernels were tickless? |
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| 12:21.39 | valdyn | stew: optionally, i don't think debian kernels have this enabled |
| 12:21.41 | Nyle_ | hi stew |
| 12:21.46 | stew | hi |
| 12:22.03 | valdyn | stew: it's not without issues either |
| 12:23.02 | cydork | valdyn: what are the issues with tickless? |
| 12:23.37 | valdyn | cydork: some kernel parts / drivers implicitely rely on tick, giving huge latencies with tickless enabled. |
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| 12:23.48 | valdyn | cydork: i don't know details, that's on lkml |
| 12:23.49 | Blokk | Hi, I removed my graphics adapter and now the system is booting into a different stage, I belive. What do I need to do to keep it booting into the same state as with a graphic adapter? |
| 12:24.04 | cydork | valdyn: ok thanks, i will dig lkml.. |
| 12:24.21 | valdyn | cydork: that said, it works fine on my laptop |
| 12:25.02 | efaistos | is compiz-fusion available in sid ? |
| 12:25.05 | valdyn | though it's not giving me huge powersavings, maybe newer notebooks do much better there |
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| 12:25.11 | Nyle_ | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/tickless-kernel-in-2.6.21-general-discussion.-557023/ |
| 12:25.26 | valdyn | efaistos: its packaged for sid, but not in sid |
| 12:25.27 | valdyn | !compiz |
| 12:25.27 | dpkg | from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 12:25.31 | valdyn | !compiz-fusion |
| 12:25.33 | valdyn | mm |
| 12:25.33 | cydork | valdyn: hmm possible.. |
| 12:25.43 | cydork | efaistos: no it's not in sid. |
| 12:25.50 | efaistos | thanks |
| 12:25.58 | cydork | efaistos: but there is a itp for that.. |
| 12:26.05 | Nyle_ | it is |
| 12:26.08 | stew | and tickless isn't available at all for amd64 yet |
| 12:26.10 | valdyn | efaistos: http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ |
| 12:26.11 | Nyle_ | I use it on my sid box at work |
| 12:26.13 | efaistos | ok thanks |
| 12:26.18 | stew | probably not until the amd64/i386 merge happens |
| 12:26.27 | cydork | Nyle_: compiz-fusion or compiz? |
| 12:26.28 | Nyle_ | I don't think I added 3rd party stuff to get compiz |
| 12:26.31 | Nyle_ | oh fusion |
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| 12:26.50 | Nyle_ | there are unofficial mirrors with debian packages |
| 12:26.56 | valdyn | efaistos: compiz is probably just fine, -fusion adds nothing but 'fancy' plugins |
| 12:27.30 | kadras | hi people, someone knows how to handle multiple version of gcc in debian? |
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| 12:27.53 | Nyle_ | just install them and use the CC variable to change which one to use? |
| 12:27.59 | efaistos | valdyn: compiz doesnt work for me ... beryl is okay |
| 12:28.00 | Nyle_ | maybe |
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| 12:28.09 | valdyn | kadras: you can aptitude install as many as you want or as are in your debian release, what's the issue? |
| 12:28.35 | kadras | valdyn: cpan choose always latest gcc (4.1.2 os similar) |
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| 12:28.52 | valdyn | kadras: it just defaults to the 'gcc' symlink |
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| 12:29.17 | kadras | valdyn: change the symlink is enough? |
| 12:29.24 | valdyn | kadras: there's various ways to change that, one is ~/bin/ with your own symlink and PATH containing that path first |
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| 12:29.50 | valdyn | kadras: i wouldnt ever change anytthing in /usr/bin/ , that's debian package management business |
| 12:30.11 | Blokk | Is there a way to run debian without a VGA-interface? |
| 12:30.14 | kadras | valdyn: i think so too but i wasn't sure |
| 12:30.27 | valdyn | Blokk: sure |
| 12:30.32 | kadras | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 12:30.43 | valdyn | !ssh install |
| 12:30.44 | dpkg | from memory, ssh install is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 12:31.34 | Blokk | valdyn: do you know where i can get some more info? |
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| 12:33.16 | subha | hi all,can anybody tell me, during net-installation time,if i dont mention one step (for eg. time zone selection) in preseed file then will d-i ask the user or it simply ignore that step ? |
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| 12:35.54 | Blokk | valdyn: Well, the system boots, but into a stage where very few services are started (ssh and network are not for example) |
| 12:36.41 | Blokk | valdyn: Once I login and start them (blindly using only a keyboard) I get into the system |
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| 12:36.51 | Blokk | by ssh |
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| 12:40.34 | verte | hello all :) I'm trying to set up my Debian GNU/Hurd system, but am a little confused about the unstable packaging system. nearly everything I try to install depends on the previous version of some package, which doesn't seem to be avaialable. |
| 12:41.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah, GL with it :) |
| 12:41.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres talk of K15 being frozen off soon |
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| 12:41.32 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 12:41.33 | verte | nifty |
| 12:41.41 | sobersabre | which server does FAI related channel reside ? |
| 12:41.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | irc.debian.org ? |
| 12:41.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | otherwise i dont know |
| 12:41.55 | sobersabre | i mean FAI=Fully Automatic Installer... |
| 12:41.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | (thats OFTC btw) |
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| 12:42.03 | sobersabre | the mirror is on some german uni site. |
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| 12:42.34 | verte | erm, what about --fix-missing or --fix-broken? what do these do? will they help me get packages that fit, or override the = dependency with a >=? |
| 12:42.37 | indraveni | hi all |
| 12:42.54 | indraveni | need help to make my sony camera to mount in debian os |
| 12:43.00 | jetscreamer | verte: you didn't do a dist-upgrade did you |
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| 12:43.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | verte, tehy will try and get packages that work with the system |
| 12:43.03 | Caelum | I was playing with my defoma commands, and now I don't see my ttf fonts in xlsfonts (but I do see them in fc-list) what did I fuck up? :) |
| 12:43.06 | jetscreamer | youjust did upgrade |
| 12:43.16 | indraveni | I have sony DSC-W35 digital camera |
| 12:43.31 | indraveni | and by installing gphoto2 package, i got the drievers |
| 12:43.39 | indraveni | but still my camera is not detected by gtkam |
| 12:43.56 | indraveni | its showing "could not initilize camera" |
| 12:43.59 | jetscreamer | even spelled right this is wrong> and by installing gphoto2 package, i got the drievers |
| 12:44.05 | sobersabre | indraveni: have you connected it via the USB cable to the computer ? |
| 12:44.14 | indraveni | sobersabre, yes |
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| 12:44.29 | sobersabre | and have you done this with the same cable that worked on another computer ? |
| 12:44.49 | indraveni | sobersabre, yes |
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| 12:44.59 | sobersabre | and ... have you checked your system's logs ? |
| 12:45.03 | jetscreamer | verte: try aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 12:45.06 | indraveni | sobersabre, same way i connected in windows osbut in debian its not deteting |
| 12:45.10 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get -f install |
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| 12:45.14 | sobersabre | ( maybe you're not in a group that has any permissions to access the device ) |
| 12:45.27 | verte | jetscreamer, no, because it failed. perl depends on perl-modules, and the only version of perl-modules requires a version of perl that doesn't exist yet. |
| 12:45.42 | jetscreamer | verte: this is sid? |
| 12:45.53 | jetscreamer | you said 'unstable' |
| 12:45.53 | verte | yes |
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| 12:46.00 | Garagas | !fqdn |
| 12:46.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 12:46.02 | sobersabre | indraveni: ... waiting for your input.... |
| 12:46.12 | indraveni | sobersabre, i am in root user |
| 12:46.22 | jetscreamer | verte: try adding testing repo line also... sometimes what you need isn't in sid but is in testing... i just had that the other day. |
| 12:46.32 | sobersabre | indraveni: and which user does the device belong to ? |
| 12:46.40 | sobersabre | have you looked at the logs already or NOT ? |
| 12:46.43 | verte | jetscreamer, ty |
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| 12:46.47 | jetscreamer | verte: but that's what makes sid unstable... the behavior you're having |
| 12:46.54 | jetscreamer | among other things |
| 12:46.55 | indraveni | sobersabre, no, please tell me where to check the logs |
| 12:47.03 | indraveni | sobersabre, and how to check the permissions ? |
| 12:47.08 | sobersabre | logs are in /var/log. |
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| 12:47.14 | verte | I expected that to some degree, I just wasn't sure how to deal with it. |
| 12:47.26 | jetscreamer | i 'think' there's a camera group but i'm not sure |
| 12:47.30 | sobersabre | indraveni: maybe you should visit documentation website, and search for "log file" and "permissions". |
| 12:47.38 | sobersabre | it has all the explanations. |
| 12:47.38 | Garagas | isnt fqdn assigned in the hosts and hostname files in etc/? |
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| 12:48.06 | sobersabre | the standard log is syslog file. then there's debug file, kern.log file and daemon file |
| 12:48.06 | verte | oh wait, jetscreamer, is there even a testing/hurd ? |
| 12:48.07 | indraveni | sobersabre, documentation of my camera site ? |
| 12:48.13 | jetscreamer | verte: usually, when it's like that, you can just wait and it will fix itself... for example, kdewebdev had a problem last night... but the packages were there this morning and all is good |
| 12:48.20 | indraveni | sobersabre, canit ew check the permissions in the system ? |
| 12:48.21 | sobersabre | indraveni: documentation of your current operating system. |
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| 12:48.25 | jetscreamer | just how long is the question |
| 12:48.39 | indraveni | sobersabre, i am using debian |
| 12:48.49 | jetscreamer | verte: oh hurd.... not sure, but hurd is the kernel isn't it |
| 12:48.54 | sobersabre | indraveni: well, www.debian.org is a sure start. |
| 12:48.56 | rmaj | why kate sucks recently? I cant force it to stop creating foo.bup~ backup files |
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| 12:49.01 | Garagas | fqdn? anyone? |
| 12:49.06 | jetscreamer | rmaj: that's a feature |
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| 12:49.13 | jetscreamer | fully qualified domain name? |
| 12:49.19 | sobersabre | Garagas: wtf do want from us ? |
| 12:49.23 | petemc | 13:46 < jetscreamer> among other things |
| 12:49.23 | indraveni | sobersabre, but, as root user is the superuse, he shouls have all the permissions right ? |
| 12:49.26 | hipodilski | what is the debian default location of the samba secrets.tdb file? |
| 12:49.27 | petemc | feck |
| 12:49.38 | verte | jetscreamer, afaik it uses a different version of libc to the other ports |
| 12:49.38 | sobersabre | indraveni: not exactly. it depends. |
| 12:49.44 | verte | could be wrong though |
| 12:49.50 | indraveni | my lsusb command, shows the Camera device |
| 12:49.51 | sobersabre | indraveni: anyway, if you check the logs, you may find some answers. |
| 12:49.53 | rmaj | jetscreamer: oh wait sorry, it works now after all |
| 12:49.56 | verte | I'll check with #hurd :) |
| 12:49.58 | Garagas | sobersabre: :> To make sure if the fqdn is assigned in the hosts and hostname files? |
| 12:50.02 | indraveni | sobersabre, system logs ? |
| 12:50.09 | rmaj | jetscreamer: it is (was) a bug, it created that crap even when disabling it in config |
| 12:50.11 | sobersabre | indraveni: yes. |
| 12:50.34 | sobersabre | look for usb related drivers info, and for misc. errors / warinings / failures. |
| 12:50.56 | sobersabre | indraveni: do you have the camera in the proper mode ? |
| 12:51.31 | sobersabre | I have a canon cam, and it needs to be in "blue" read mode. |
| 12:51.43 | sobersabre | not "red", recording mode. |
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| 12:52.19 | indraveni | sobersabre, what is this proper mode ? |
| 12:52.40 | sobersabre | indraveni: this is the same mode windows reads the camera. it also sometimes has printer icon. |
| 12:52.59 | sobersabre | do you have a rolling wheel to change modes of the camera ? |
| 12:53.11 | indraveni | yes sobersabre |
| 12:53.27 | sobersabre | well, do you have a blue ">" or something like that ? |
| 12:53.36 | sobersabre | or maybe "<" |
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| 12:53.49 | sobersabre | you need to be at that position. |
| 12:54.00 | \amethyst | hipodilski: on Debian, /var/lib/samba/secrets.tdb it looks like |
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| 12:54.39 | sobersabre | guys, using FAI, trying to make it create NTFS/VFAT partition. |
| 12:54.45 | sobersabre | is this syntax correct: |
| 12:55.49 | sobersabre | primary /media/C 4096 ro,errors=remount-ro ; -c -j vfat |
| 12:55.50 | jetscreamer | 7 is ntfs, 0c is vfat, iirc |
| 12:55.51 | jetscreamer | partition type |
| 12:55.51 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.01 | jetscreamer | what is that |
| 12:56.01 | indraveni | sobersabre, i dont find any blue > or anything like that |
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| 12:56.17 | sobersabre | indraveni: anyway, are you sure all the cabling is connected properly ? |
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| 12:56.30 | jetscreamer | sobersabre: what is that |
| 12:56.39 | jetscreamer | primary /media/C 4096 ro,errors=remount-ro ; -c -j vfat ? |
| 12:56.55 | sobersabre | jetscreamer: this is the line in the proper class's disk_config file. |
| 12:57.05 | Enigma | top outputs: Cpu(s): 6.4%us, 8.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 26.9%id, 0.0%wa, 1.6%hi, 2.7%si, 54.2%st ... what does st stand for? |
| 12:57.12 | sobersabre | I don't exactly know what are the things after the ";" |
| 12:57.40 | sobersabre | It is maybe the arguments for mkfs |
| 12:57.53 | sobersabre | so, then I don't need to pass "-j" :) |
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| 12:58.00 | sobersabre | but I am not sure, so thus I am here. |
| 12:58.08 | sobersabre | indraveni: do as follows. |
| 12:58.14 | sobersabre | run command as root: |
| 12:58.20 | sobersabre | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 12:58.27 | sobersabre | this will start polling the file |
| 12:58.33 | sobersabre | then disconnect the cable |
| 12:58.43 | sobersabre | and see what is written in the syslog. |
| 12:59.02 | hark | Enigma: man top |
| 12:59.11 | sobersabre | if nothing is written, your camera is indeed not detected, and there's something wrong with drivers of USB related area. |
| 12:59.19 | sobersabre | indraveni: are you there ? |
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| 12:59.44 | sobersabre | and if it writes something, you will tell me what it writes, in GENERAL terms, not everything it writes. |
| 12:59.48 | sobersabre | indraveni: .... |
| 12:59.59 | sobersabre | do you copy ? |
| 13:00.37 | Enigma | @hark: only si (software interrupts) is listed - I didnt find st |
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| 13:02.01 | indraveni | sobersabre, yes |
| 13:02.07 | sobersabre | so ... what's up ? |
| 13:02.26 | indraveni | sobersabre, iwill do the aboveand let u know |
| 13:02.35 | hark | Enigma: Steal time (in section 2c) |
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| 13:03.14 | stew | not in section 2c here |
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| 13:03.29 | stew | the manpage probably only recently got fixed |
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| 13:03.53 | Enigma | neither here :( |
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| 13:04.34 | hark | The amount of CPU ’stolen’ from this virtual machine by the hypervisor for other tasks (such as running another virtual machine) |
| 13:04.46 | Enigma | ah :) |
| 13:04.50 | indraveni | sobersabre, when i disconnectd, it shows the follooiwng |
| 13:04.51 | indraveni | usb 1-3: USB disconnect, address 6 |
| 13:05.12 | jetscreamer | it sees the usb but you maybe need a kernel module |
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| 13:05.23 | jetscreamer | for the actual camera |
| 13:05.35 | jetscreamer | have you googled? |
| 13:05.36 | Enigma | wow - dont even get a google hit on this description :( |
| 13:05.44 | jetscreamer | you could try browsing with modconf |
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| 13:06.11 | indraveni | sobersabre, when i again connected, it showed the following |
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| 13:06.33 | jetscreamer | yes is sees the name of the cam |
| 13:06.37 | jetscreamer | s/is/it/ |
| 13:06.42 | jetscreamer | right? |
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| 13:07.43 | base3_ | i've just tried to install testing ("lenny") and found it couldn't detect my nic. trying again with stable "etch" it worked fine. where/how should i report this as a bug?? |
| 13:07.53 | jetscreamer | iirc i've seen sony cam stuff in the .config but i can't swear |
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| 13:10.10 | stew | base3_: using a weekly or a daily? |
| 13:10.25 | base3_ | stew: weekly |
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| 13:10.55 | stew | base3_: report a bug against the 'debian-installer' pseudo package: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 13:14.13 | base3_ | thanks stew |
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| 13:15.33 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 13:15.43 | jetscreamer | try that maybe base3_ |
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| 13:15.49 | jetscreamer | not baseq3 eh |
| 13:16.01 | twobitsprite | someone playing quake? :) |
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| 13:17.17 | twobitsprite | is there a way to check the current network activity of a given process? |
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| 13:17.50 | twobitsprite | i.e., I have a forked lftp process which I suspect to be hung and I want to check to see if it's actually transmitting data? |
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| 13:18.21 | petemc | iptraf |
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| 13:19.24 | gcbirzan | Hm. Say I tried to dpkg -i foo.deb, and foo depends on something I have installed. Shouldn't running aptitude install install its dependencies? |
| 13:19.51 | user1__ | how do i extract deb files |
| 13:19.58 | gcbirzan | ar x foo.deb? :-) |
| 13:21.34 | jetscreamer | gcbirzan: try aptitude -f install or so |
| 13:21.40 | hark | gcbirzan: dpkg -i foo.deb and then do an aptitude install -f |
| 13:22.06 | hark | gcbirzan: or use something like gdebi |
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| 13:23.41 | plb | I'm trying to enable TV-Out on my Radeon 9600 with FOSS drivers but S-video is not being detected. Here is my log http://pastebin.ca/738539 |
| 13:23.42 | RainbowW | i have some .md5 files that contain checksums i want to check with md5sum -c *.md5. this works except that the .md5 files contain extraneous crlf pairs at the end because they're coming from win32 boxes, so md5sum on debian chokes. how can i get md5sum to cope correctly with these files? |
| 13:24.09 | plb | RainbowW: dos2unix first? |
| 13:24.47 | RainbowW | plb: what package is this in? no package with that name, and no man page installed? |
| 13:25.00 | jetscreamer | !info tofrodos |
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| 13:25.25 | dpkg | tofrodos: (Converts DOS <-> Unix text files, alias tofromdos), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.7.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 13:26.53 | plb | !info dos2unix |
| 13:27.09 | RainbowW | plb, jet, thank you. |
| 13:27.24 | RainbowW | someday i must learn enough shell scripting to be able to do an entire tree of this at once. |
| 13:27.51 | jetscreamer | /join #bash RainbowW |
| 13:27.52 | stew | !dos2unix |
| 13:27.52 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 13:28.00 | hotwired | are there limits set in the OS on a per-process basis? |
| 13:28.12 | jetscreamer | it's supplied by tofordos |
| 13:28.15 | jetscreamer | fro |
| 13:28.19 | jetscreamer | but you see that now |
| 13:28.43 | jetscreamer | OMFG i hope i get paid today |
| 13:28.59 | jetscreamer | i was supposed toget paid on the first of the month |
| 13:29.03 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 13:29.37 | plb | any ideas how to get Xorg 7.3 to recognize that my S-video out is connected? |
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| 13:29.56 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: i get paid on the 1st and the 15th .... i would think you would have gotten paid yesterday |
| 13:30.20 | jetscreamer | my check is 2 weeks late |
| 13:30.49 | jetscreamer | my bosses check is like 2 months late :( |
| 13:31.09 | plb | whoop! |
| 13:31.17 | plb | I figured it out... kind of |
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| 13:34.21 | naitse | n00b question, how can i view the folders on the same window in gnome? :S |
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| 13:35.11 | plb | naitse: you mean so that they oopen in the same windows when you double clikc on a folder |
| 13:35.24 | hark | naitse: edit -> preferences and look for always open in browser windows |
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| 13:35.43 | jetscreamer | what hark said |
| 13:35.45 | stew | jetscreamer: when the boss' check is 2 months late, is that time to get the resumé in order? |
| 13:36.01 | naitse | but this onpens the object on a browser.. i need on the same window |
| 13:36.04 | plb | jetscreamer: I confer with stew |
| 13:36.35 | keith4 | naitse: you want it to re-use windows? |
| 13:36.37 | gcbirzan | jetscreamer, hark: Same thing. But, yes, I'm looking for something similar to apt-get install -f... |
| 13:36.42 | jetscreamer | stew: i do get paid, just this time of year can be slow.... and i don't know where i can make up to 40 bucks an hour elsewhere... usually not that much, but it does get there sometimes |
| 13:36.47 | gcbirzan | I'm pretty sure this actually worked last night, but... :-P |
| 13:36.52 | naitse | keith4, yeah |
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| 13:37.19 | Pobega | What file holds the date I installed Debian? |
| 13:38.07 | plb | Pobega: "ll -d /" should be close to that |
| 13:38.48 | jetscreamer | it's not just my boss/his company, it's all the company_that_we_service's vendors |
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| 13:39.32 | Pobega | plb: I don't have any command called "ll" (Although I'm probably just missing something obvious) |
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| 13:39.41 | gcbirzan | ls -ld / |
| 13:39.47 | plb | Pobega: ll is a common alias for ls -l |
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| 13:39.57 | Pobega | By the way, also; I just e-mailed the other members of SILUG, hopefully we'll be getting a meeting together soon. Maybe you can join us? |
| 13:40.27 | Pobega | (plb, I mean) |
| 13:40.27 | stew | my box which was installed with woody has 2007-09-17 for / |
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| 13:40.30 | plb | stew: oh well.. it was just a guess... :-P |
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| 13:42.32 | badcfe | hello. ive created a group and added a user in it. but when the user does newgrp, the system asks a password. why? what password? and how disable this? |
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| 13:44.14 | plb | bangs head on keyboard... output is spelled output not ouput |
| 13:45.03 | jetscreamer | aim for corner plb :) it's what i do |
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| 13:46.17 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 13:46.21 | jetscreamer | keyboard nm |
| 13:46.30 | jetscreamer | real men use $DESK |
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| 13:47.45 | r3wt | hiiiiii |
| 13:47.56 | badcfe | hello. ive created a group and added a user in it. but when the user does newgrp, the system asks a password. why? what password? and how disable this? |
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| 13:48.22 | r3wt | i d like to send a message to the gnome display of my wife i m connected to her computer as root with ssh |
| 13:48.35 | r3wt | i tried xmessage hello -display 127.0.0.1:0 |
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| 13:48.39 | r3wt | but doesn't work |
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| 13:51.55 | plb | r3wt: kudos for getting your wife to use Linux (I have not been able to succeed) |
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| 13:53.16 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. how can i see what version of debian i am running? |
| 13:53.35 | r3wt | i dont want talk !!!!!!!!! |
| 13:53.37 | vaq | fuzzy_logic: cat /etc/issue |
| 13:53.44 | grub_ | fuzzy_logic, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:53.47 | fuzzy_logic | vaq: thanks |
| 13:53.48 | r3wt | immagine i want to start k3b on her desktop |
| 13:53.51 | r3wt | how to do |
| 13:53.53 | r3wt | ? |
| 13:54.27 | plb | does anyone know how to set the default overlay monitor in GNOME |
| 13:54.27 | r3wt | plb very hard |
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| 13:55.26 | plb | r3wt you need to be authorized to connect to the display I can't remember the command at the moment however |
| 13:55.53 | plb | then you just use --DISPLAY :0 (or whatever) in the command you want under her display |
| 13:55.54 | r3wt | i know the command |
| 13:55.56 | r3wt | it is xhost+ |
| 13:56.08 | r3wt | but if i m root i m sure there is a way to do taht remotely from console |
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| 13:56.29 | h3sp4wn | !xhost |
| 13:56.29 | dpkg | i heard xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
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| 13:59.11 | fasta | Is there an easy way to make sure that Firefox cannot bring down the entire OS? |
| 13:59.20 | plb | is there away to get the .config from a running kernel? |
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| 13:59.30 | dalias | fasta, it should not be possible to begin with... |
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| 13:59.42 | plb | fasta: stop using MS Windows |
| 13:59.43 | fasta | dalias: well, it just happened |
| 13:59.48 | dalias | if it's just exhausting memory, set a proper ulimit |
| 13:59.58 | fasta | plb: a rather new Linux kernel |
| 14:00.21 | fasta | plb: and I don't see what Windows has to do with it. |
| 14:00.25 | dalias | i don't think firefox did it |
| 14:00.31 | fasta | plb: Linux isn't the end of all operating systems. |
| 14:00.34 | dalias | i think a buggy nvidia driver did it.. |
| 14:00.46 | plb | fasta: it was a joke about process seperation (or the lack of) in Windows |
| 14:00.48 | fasta | dalias: I am using the nv driver... |
| 14:00.57 | dalias | ah okay |
| 14:01.11 | dalias | well firefox does not have permissions to bring down the box |
| 14:01.17 | dalias | so it's likely the X server's doing |
| 14:01.30 | dalias | i anticipated the X server might have evil proprietary drivers loaded |
| 14:01.44 | fasta | dalias: the oom killer started, but never killed firefox/X. |
| 14:01.48 | dalias | but it could just be a bug elsewhere |
| 14:01.50 | dalias | ah |
| 14:02.06 | dalias | if the problem was oom, limit memory usage with ulimit |
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| 14:02.30 | valdyn | fasta: why do you think it was firefox that used up all the memory? |
| 14:02.44 | dalias | valdyn, it's a good guess at least :P |
| 14:03.03 | jetscreamer | plb: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:03.14 | fasta | valdyn: I visited a webpage that is full of large photos made by an amateur. |
| 14:03.14 | valdyn | oom killer isnt guessing |
| 14:03.47 | plb | jetscreamer: oh thank you, I accidently deleted my old kernel source without copying .config :-P |
| 14:03.49 | valdyn | fasta: that would have to be alot of photos to 'bring down' the OS |
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| 14:03.56 | jetscreamer | plb: you can even cp that file to /usr/src/whatever/.config |
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| 14:03.59 | \amethyst | oom killer doesn't necessarily kill the thing that was using the most memory, anyway |
| 14:03.59 | fasta | valdyn: about 15 of one MB |
| 14:04.07 | valdyn | fasta: that's not much |
| 14:04.10 | fasta | valdyn: that machine only had 512MB |
| 14:04.16 | valdyn | fasta: still |
| 14:04.18 | \amethyst | it prefers to kill processes that haven't been running for very long |
| 14:04.18 | fasta | valdyn: I agree, still it happened. |
| 14:04.27 | fasta | valdyn: I can give the URL |
| 14:04.27 | jetscreamer | plb: also, make-kpkg uses it as a default if there is no .config |
| 14:04.35 | valdyn | fasta: sure |
| 14:04.36 | empiric | hi one works on heimdal |
| 14:04.40 | jetscreamer | err make menuconfig rather |
| 14:05.03 | plb | jetscreamer: really I didn't know that :-P |
| 14:05.23 | jetscreamer | you might want to do make oldconfig first to see the changes, make menuconfig will just supply defaults |
| 14:05.23 | plb | jetscreamer: you saved me a good hour of reconfiguration |
| 14:05.29 | fasta | valdyn: http://www.regenboogsisters.nl/ |
| 14:05.30 | plb | jetscreamer: yeah I am |
| 14:05.31 | dalias | \amethyst, is there still a way to configure the oom killer to always kill the process that made the unsatisfyable allocation rather than guessing? |
| 14:05.59 | fasta | valdyn: then there is a link to more photos |
| 14:07.02 | valdyn | fasta: those photos are small |
| 14:07.17 | fasta | valdyn: 1MB a piece |
| 14:07.22 | valdyn | fasta: 640x480, 85,5kb |
| 14:07.35 | valdyn | fasta: ah, another one is 1MB |
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| 14:08.04 | valdyn | fasta: it does cause noticably increase memory usage even on this box, but not more.. |
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| 14:08.23 | bullgard4 | What do the device names LID0, SLPB, AZAL, RP01, RP02, RP03, RP04, LANB and MODM in /proc/acpi/wakeup stand for? |
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| 14:08.29 | fasta | valdyn: then maybe there's a bug somewhere else. |
| 14:08.38 | fasta | valdyn: this was on amd64 |
| 14:08.41 | valdyn | fasta: do you have swap at all? |
| 14:08.49 | jetscreamer | probably the things it wakes up from |
| 14:08.54 | jetscreamer | bullgard4: |
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| 14:09.16 | plb | is make-kpkg perferrable over make deb-pkg |
| 14:09.18 | fasta | valdyn: it seemed to swap like an idiot, so yes. |
| 14:09.22 | jetscreamer | wakes from lan, modem, lid, sleep, other stuffs |
| 14:09.24 | bullgard4 | jetscreamer: I would like to know what things that are. |
| 14:09.24 | fasta | valdyn: I think 2.5 GB |
| 14:09.31 | jetscreamer | at a guess |
| 14:09.47 | \amethyst | dalias: that happens with constrained allocations in NUMA architectures, but I don't know if it's possible to trigger elsewhere |
| 14:09.51 | valdyn | fasta: well, there's not much you can do anyway, except killing ff asap |
| 14:09.58 | _Sam-- | hey i have a raid array that had 2 scsi drives, and one IDE drive as a raid 1 array. there was a problem with both scsi drives, and the IDE drive was the only one left running in the array. when i rebooted, the machine booted off a scsi drive, and booted fine, but contained old data. the ide drive wasnt included in the array.... |
| 14:10.03 | _Sam-- | how do i sync up? |
| 14:10.06 | fasta | valdyn: or userlimits |
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| 14:10.12 | valdyn | fasta: well, actually, you could use a webfilter |
| 14:10.28 | dalias | \amethyst, it's the only way to make a really robust/secure system. with root's main processes never using malloc at all and dirtying all their pages at startup. |
| 14:10.29 | valdyn | fasta: right, but im not sure that won't just get in the way on your 1-user system |
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| 14:10.35 | fasta | valdyn: what would the webfilter do? |
| 14:10.38 | dalias | \amethyst, so they can never be killed |
| 14:10.49 | fasta | valdyn: determine the size of images? |
| 14:10.52 | valdyn | fasta: fix huge images |
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| 14:11.11 | \amethyst | dalias: that's not enough to keep them from allocating memory |
| 14:11.14 | zerodamage | wierd, i never been here before but I am banned from Ubuntu channel. |
| 14:11.32 | \amethyst | dalias: opening a file, for example, can cause the kernel to allocate memory on the proc's behalf |
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| 14:11.47 | dalias | \amethyst, yes, not doing that either. always forking first |
| 14:11.50 | jetscreamer | w00tzilla: no big loss... |
| 14:12.14 | fasta | valdyn: is there anything like that that already works or would I have to program it myself? |
| 14:12.22 | maxamillion | w00tzilla: then you might need to take some time, educate yourself and replace ubuntu with debian .... it will surprise you how much less time you waste fixing things that shouldn't need fixing |
| 14:12.31 | dalias | \amethyst, and anyway the file opening does not count as the process using memory afaik. it can fail if kernel resources are not available |
| 14:12.55 | valdyn | fasta: let me check, i haven't needed this..i just use privox for other stuff |
| 14:13.06 | \amethyst | dalias: In the current scheme, root processes (CAP_SYS_ADMIN and CAP_SYS_RAWIO) are much less likely to get oom_killed |
| 14:13.07 | jetscreamer | w00tzilla: they redirect you to #ubuntu-ops or something... and tell you why you are banned |
| 14:13.19 | jetscreamer | w00tzilla: like if your router has an exploit.... |
| 14:13.22 | dalias | \amethyst, well "less likely" is not very comforting |
| 14:13.39 | jetscreamer | you can ask in #ubuntu-ops why and what you have to do, w00tzilla |
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| 14:14.00 | dalias | it's possible to make it impossible for certain processes to get killed, and a robust system should be setup as such |
| 14:14.47 | fasta | How do you get in #debian if you are banned? |
| 14:15.05 | maxamillion | fasta: he didn't get banned from #debian, he was banned from #ubuntu |
| 14:15.14 | maxamillion | and as we all know ubuntu != debian |
| 14:15.16 | dalias | sshd master process, inetd, init, etc. |
| 14:15.21 | fasta | maxamillion: and I asked a completely unrelated question |
| 14:15.38 | fuzzy_logic | how can i make a 'shourtcut' to a command with alias? so that if i type sname the command line runs /etc/server_name.sh? |
| 14:15.42 | maxamillion | fasta: wait, sorry ... i thought you were talking about ... nvm, my mistake |
| 14:15.46 | fasta | How does one get in #debian if one is banned? |
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| 14:15.58 | fasta | maxamillion: my question was ambiguous, I will give you that. |
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| 14:16.06 | dalias | fasta, by using a different host or such |
| 14:16.15 | h3sp4wn | fasta: wait until the ban expires (or if you are stupid connect from somewhere else) |
| 14:16.21 | fasta | dalias: I mean how to get unbanned. |
| 14:16.30 | dalias | wait for it to expire |
| 14:16.36 | \amethyst | dalias: aha, echo -17 > /proc/pid/oom_adj |
| 14:16.39 | fasta | And how can I see when that is? |
| 14:16.40 | maxamillion | fasta: i believe if you get banned from #debian you are then invited into the #debian-ops chan and ask for forgiveness |
| 14:16.41 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.46 | dalias | \amethyst, thanks :) |
| 14:17.18 | fuzzy_logic | nmind.. found it |
| 14:17.19 | fasta | I didn't do anything with an account for months and then found out I was banned. |
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| 14:17.54 | \amethyst | dpkg, oom-killer is responsible for picking a process to kill when the computer is out of memory. It uses some heuristics to choose the process to kill: unprivileged, short-running, low-priority processes are more likely to be killed. See http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer for more information |
| 14:17.55 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
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| 14:18.24 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 14:18.26 | dalias | fasta, if the ban was not intended against you but somehow affects you, you can probably have it fixed/removed |
| 14:18.31 | jetscreamer | you could ask in #bash :) |
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| 14:18.39 | \amethyst | dpkg, oom-killer =~ s/information/information./ |
| 14:18.39 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 14:20.28 | fuzzy_logic | how can i make a bash script in wich the date of last update is shown? |
| 14:20.39 | \amethyst | fuzzy_logic: of a file? |
| 14:20.51 | fuzzy_logic | \amethyst: of the .sh file itself :) |
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| 14:21.11 | jetscreamer | ask in #bash at the same time |
| 14:21.28 | fuzzy_logic | jetscreamer: i will.. but does anyone know it here? |
| 14:21.37 | \amethyst | fuzzy_logic: You could put RCS identifiers in the contents of a shell variable and use a version management system to maintain them |
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| 14:22.19 | jetscreamer | fuzzy_logic: not afaict atm... :) always best to spread your bets |
| 14:22.27 | \amethyst | fuzzy_logic: You can't be guaranteed of finding the script (for example, $0 might not be correct, or your path might be different from the one used to search for the script) |
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| 14:22.48 | \amethyst | fuzzy_logic: so getting the mtime of $0 won't always work |
| 14:23.26 | jetscreamer | put the date you edit it in the script as a var |
| 14:23.32 | fuzzy_logic | \amethyst: i'm sorry.. that is like chinese to me, i don't know anything about bash scripting and i don't want to learn it or something, i just need this in particulair.. is it possible that you just make the script itself for me? would be great.. |
| 14:23.33 | grub_ | vlc doesn't work in testing? |
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| 14:24.08 | jetscreamer | grub_: it probably does but it's not in testing sources for some reason... but i'm guessing. |
| 14:24.21 | grub_ | hmm |
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| 14:24.41 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: dep problem right now afaik |
| 14:24.53 | jetscreamer | like, you could 'probably' install the sid or etch version and it would work.. but i'm guessing like i said |
| 14:25.05 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 14:25.05 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 14:25.20 | jetscreamer | or try aptitude -f install |
| 14:25.41 | grub_ | hmm |
| 14:25.48 | h3sp4wn | fuzzy_logic: just use the mtime |
| 14:26.07 | fuzzy_logic | h3sp4wn: so just echo mtime? |
| 14:27.25 | grub_ | !vlc-nox |
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| 14:28.44 | h3sp4wn | fuzzy_logic: have a look at stat |
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| 14:29.25 | fuzzy_logic | h3sp4wn: what's that? i just want the script.. |
| 14:30.08 | valdyn | fasta: privoxy + its banners-by-size filter can do it, i dont grok its configuration though |
| 14:30.19 | fasta | valdyn: ok, thanks. |
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| 14:31.10 | h3sp4wn | fuzzy_logic: well write it then stop being so lazy |
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| 14:32.11 | h3sp4wn | fuzzy_logic: man stat (you want time of last change) |
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| 14:33.53 | robboplus | how do you tell netstat to show whole host? all hostnames are cut at some point |
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| 14:35.19 | wols | raz0: use numeric IPs |
| 14:35.25 | fuzzy_logic | h3sp4wn: ok.. thanks.. i have to do stat %y, but then when i run the script it says unknown file or folder |
| 14:35.29 | robboplus | wols: i need hosts |
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| 14:35.49 | robboplus | while host column is very narrow |
| 14:35.58 | fuzzy_logic | h3sp4wn: (not the exact error, just translated it from dutch, have to change that language once) |
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| 14:41.34 | murilobernardes | hi, i`m having a apt-get problem... it cant find the repositories, at all... all the repositories i`ve tested couldnt be reached, dns is ok, no proxy... |
| 14:41.35 | charlie | Olá pessoal.. |
| 14:42.03 | charlie | Qual seria a melhor forma de instalar programas via CD. |
| 14:42.07 | murilobernardes | charlie, esse canal é internacional entra no debian-br |
| 14:42.29 | charlie | okay.. |
| 14:42.37 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 14:42.37 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:42.46 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 14:42.48 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 14:43.13 | jetscreamer | murilobernardes: check your sources.list maybe... paste it in a pastebin. |
| 14:43.15 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 14:43.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 14:45.45 | |Orbit| | hello |
| 14:46.12 | |Orbit| | anyone configuring site-to-site vpn on debian ? |
| 14:46.21 | sohmestra | why would using /bin/cat as a transport filter (in exim4) result in a flood of looped messages? |
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| 14:47.01 | sohmestra | |Orbit|: net to net, or host to host? |
| 14:47.17 | |Orbit| | net to net |
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| 14:47.32 | sohmestra | we do that. |
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| 14:47.47 | |Orbit| | freeswan? |
| 14:48.00 | nicks0r | . |
| 14:48.04 | sohmestra | |Orbit|: openswan, yes. |
| 14:48.43 | nicks0r | can anyone recommend a log analysis package? anything out there that outputs html? need something to go through apache/syslogs |
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| 14:49.27 | |Orbit| | sohmestra: thx |
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| 14:53.35 | |Orbit| | nicks0r: whose log? |
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| 14:55.06 | bullgard4 | What do the device names LID0, SLPB, AZAL, RP01, RP02, RP03, RP04, LANB and MODM in /proc/acpi/wakeup stand for? |
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| 14:55.49 | nicks0r | |Orbit|: ? |
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| 14:56.14 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. when i try to install apache2 on my debian box i get the following error: E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/f/file/libmagic1_4.17-5etch1_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 14:56.30 | fuzzy_logic | how come it doesn't find the file? never had this before, installed apache2 so many times.. |
| 14:56.36 | |Orbit| | fuzzy_logic: apt-get update |
| 14:56.47 | |Orbit| | and try again |
| 14:57.03 | fuzzy_logic | oh.. lol.. kay.. |
| 14:57.12 | fuzzy_logic | has been a long day :P |
| 14:57.16 | sohmestra | bullgard4: my guess is that LID0 referrs to the lid switch of your laptop, LANB & MODM refer in some way to wake on LAN or modem functionality. |
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| 14:57.21 | ShiftOnYou | hey there |
| 14:57.32 | sohmestra | bullgard4: please note that my suggestions are pure speculation |
| 14:57.47 | ShiftOnYou | whats wrong if gnome isnt installed but if i start vncserver and login on it i see a gnome userinterface? |
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| 14:58.12 | sohmestra | ShiftOnYou: gnome is probably installed. |
| 14:58.27 | ShiftOnYou | but... if i type apt-get remove gnome i get: |
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| 14:58.48 | ShiftOnYou | paket isnt installed |
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| 14:59.17 | nvz | good kitty |
| 14:59.44 | Eulex | ShiftOnYou, gnome is a metapackage |
| 14:59.49 | Eulex | !metapackage |
| 14:59.49 | dpkg | [metapackage] a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers |
| 14:59.51 | ShiftOnYou | so? |
| 15:00.09 | bullgard4 | sohmestra: Well, I need to know it more precisely. All are devices, so-called acpi wakeup deevices. But I'd like to know where they are defined and for what purpose. |
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| 15:00.32 | Eulex | so, gnome is equal to gnome in one way but not the other. that the gnome package is not installed does not mean that gnome isn't installed. |
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| 15:00.54 | Eulex | !tell ShiftOnYou about remove gnome |
| 15:00.59 | ShiftOnYou | :D thx |
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| 15:01.15 | alex_ | anyone looking or switching VPS hosts? i know of someone with good deals at the moment, drop me a pm for more info ;0 |
| 15:01.17 | alex_ | ;) |
| 15:01.29 | alex_ | unlimted data deals* |
| 15:01.44 | nvz | I'll drop you a BM later |
| 15:01.56 | nvz | I already went this morning |
| 15:02.29 | nvz | you can have the dead cat too.. might be a little radioactive.. but it'll wear off |
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| 15:05.52 | SpeedyG | lol nvz |
| 15:06.05 | drwahl | i have a pci ide controller that does not work with sid, but works with etch. does the kernel handle the drivers in this situation? or is there some other package that would handle the drivers? |
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| 15:07.57 | xand | drwahl: kernel does drivers, but maybe there's a module you need to load |
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| 15:18.09 | xand | umm, does ext3 have an "archive" attribute for files that's set automatically when a file is modified? |
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| 15:21.12 | ariemnu | xand: no |
| 15:21.38 | jelly | xand: it does have a modified time timestamp |
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| 15:22.23 | ariemnu | xand: stat somefile |
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| 15:24.58 | FastPutty | can debian do everything a advanced cisco router does? |
| 15:25.09 | abrotman | ask #networking |
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| 15:25.54 | FastPutty | hmm |
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| 15:26.02 | valdyn | FastPutty: what the hell is that supposed to be? |
| 15:26.02 | FastPutty | well it about debian, so maybe someone could naswer me here :s |
| 15:26.07 | valdyn | FastPutty: an 'advanced router' |
| 15:26.13 | FastPutty | well a router ;) |
| 15:26.18 | FastPutty | for egt the advanced |
| 15:26.20 | xand | jelly: I know it does |
| 15:26.25 | FastPutty | forget* |
| 15:26.31 | ShiftOnYou | how can i cleanup all my installed packages? (remove unused and get missing) |
| 15:26.32 | xand | I want to know if a file has changed since last backup |
| 15:26.43 | azeem | FastPutty: Debian can act as a router, yes |
| 15:26.44 | valdyn | FastPutty: there's totally different gear, range 100$ to 100000$ at least i guess |
| 15:27.19 | FastPutty | azeem: well i knwo it can act like a router, but wanaknow if it support all protocol and stuff tat a cisco pix501 can does |
| 15:27.29 | jelly | FastPutty: we don't know what can an "advanced cisco router" do, but if you specify the features you might get more answers. |
| 15:27.32 | beardy | FastPutty: That depends a bit, on what you need exactly. |
| 15:27.38 | FastPutty | <valdyn>: different gear but can maybe does the same thing |
| 15:27.54 | FastPutty | its a cisco pix501 |
| 15:28.02 | valdyn | FastPutty: i doubt a 100$ router from cisco does the same as a 100000$ thing from cisco |
| 15:28.03 | azeem | FastPutty: you couldn't have said that initially |
| 15:28.08 | ShiftOnYou | some 1 a idea? |
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| 15:28.10 | FastPutty | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/vpndevc/ps2030/products_data_sheet09186a0080091b18.html |
| 15:28.21 | azeem | ShiftOnYou: use aptitude |
| 15:28.40 | valdyn | FastPutty: debian does _way_ more than that device |
| 15:28.45 | ShiftOnYou | if i dont have kde or gnome installed? |
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| 15:29.03 | SpeedyG | FastPutty: usually, any *nix router is more than suitable for SoHo sollutions |
| 15:29.11 | FastPutty | THanks you for the asnwer |
| 15:29.15 | ShiftOnYou | azeem: btw automatic |
| 15:29.17 | FastPutty | i love you al :) |
| 15:29.23 | jelly | ShiftOnYou: aptitude works without gnome or kde |
| 15:29.25 | ShiftOnYou | so like apt-get cleanup |
| 15:29.38 | azeem | ShiftOnYou: aptitude doesn't require gnome or kde |
| 15:29.49 | valdyn | FastPutty: that thing is actually a hardware switch too though |
| 15:29.50 | ShiftOnYou | oh ok.. and how can i clean up my system? |
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| 15:30.05 | valdyn | FastPutty: debian cant be a hardware switch without you buying that hardware |
| 15:30.07 | azeem | 17:25 < azeem> ShiftOnYou: use aptitude |
| 15:30.33 | ShiftOnYou | omg ... but how??? wich command? i cant find something |
| 15:30.46 | azeem | ShiftOnYou: eh, what do you mean? |
| 15:30.50 | azeem | aptitude is a command |
| 15:31.07 | ShiftOnYou | kk |
| 15:31.08 | ShiftOnYou | sry |
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| 15:31.28 | azeem | ShiftOnYou: if you have no idea about it, just don't worry |
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| 15:31.50 | jelly | FastPutty: debian is a platform, not a ready solution. You'll have to install, try and configure various apps available for Debian (and/or Linux) to get similar functionality to that appliance. |
| 15:32.24 | ShiftOnYou | but azeem theres nothing like cleanup |
| 15:32.42 | azeem | ShiftOnYou: it does it automatically |
| 15:32.51 | ShiftOnYou | really? |
| 15:32.53 | ShiftOnYou | :D |
| 15:32.55 | azeem | i.e. it will remove no longer needed packages |
| 15:33.07 | azeem | it's better at it if you use aptitude throughout |
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| 15:33.59 | jelly | ShiftOnYou: run aptitude, do an update, press g. It will try to resolve the current situation the best it can |
| 15:34.10 | ShiftOnYou | k thx |
| 15:34.50 | ShiftOnYou | wow there are much unused packages ^^ |
| 15:35.11 | jelly | ShiftOnYou: if you currently have an older installation of Debian, (earlier than current debian 4.0), read the release notes before messing up your system |
| 15:35.19 | ShiftOnYou | its etch |
| 15:35.44 | ShiftOnYou | and if i mess it up... i dont care... i would reinstall it ^^ |
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| 15:35.52 | jelly | ah, ok |
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| 15:36.11 | ShiftOnYou | should i update linux headers? |
| 15:36.27 | azeem | please don't ask for every package |
| 15:36.29 | tmccrary | Is it possible to use nohup when using ssh with passwords somehow:? |
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| 15:36.53 | ShiftOnYou | i wont but linux headers looks like its difficult |
| 15:37.09 | azeem | why? |
| 15:37.21 | ShiftOnYou | looks strange |
| 15:37.28 | azeem | eh? |
| 15:37.34 | jelly | -4- vs. -5- |
| 15:37.35 | ShiftOnYou | ok forget it |
| 15:37.36 | azeem | that's really not adequate for us to help you |
| 15:38.07 | ShiftOnYou | dont care |
| 15:38.25 | azeem | ok |
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| 15:40.43 | lemmak | hi |
| 15:41.43 | pratyush | debhelper, who are you? |
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| 15:42.57 | snacky | helper programs for debian/rules |
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| 15:43.38 | snacky | A collection of programs that can be used in a debian/rules file to automate common tasks related to building debian packages. |
| 15:44.58 | FastPutty | what the point about updating the header |
| 15:45.00 | FastPutty | what does it help T? |
| 15:45.15 | azeem | FastPutty: ? |
| 15:45.26 | FastPutty | updating kernel,ok , but what is header |
| 15:45.27 | FastPutty | :p |
| 15:45.38 | azeem | FastPutty: why are you asking? |
| 15:45.46 | azeem | and are you sure you want to run Debian as a router? |
| 15:45.54 | FastPutty | i already did :) |
| 15:45.56 | FastPutty | using iptables |
| 15:45.58 | FastPutty | tc |
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| 15:46.09 | FastPutty | squid also and openvpn :0 |
| 15:46.28 | FastPutty | but i never knew what is header update |
| 15:46.31 | FastPutty | lol |
| 15:46.47 | azeem | it's updating your headers, there's nothing special about t |
| 15:46.47 | househead | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.49 | azeem | it* |
| 15:47.01 | FastPutty | and what does it help for? that the question i am asking |
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| 15:48.37 | azeem | FastPutty: to keep in sync with your kernel |
| 15:50.10 | FastPutty | hmm ok |
| 15:50.20 | FastPutty | what if i do not update, does it really cause somehting? |
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| 15:51.49 | azeem | FastPutty: please don't ask theoretical questions in here |
| 15:51.55 | azeem | FastPutty: if you have a real question, ask it |
| 15:51.59 | azeem | otherwise, no need to worry |
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| 15:59.09 | grub_ | hi, my touchpad tapping doesnt seem to work unless i do modprobe -r psmouse and modprobe psmouse on each reboot, my xorg.conf is http://rafb.net/p/ci9qay42.html and Xorg.0.log is http://rafb.net/p/bPEqid53.html |
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| 16:01.45 | mosty | grub_, how are you starting X? |
| 16:01.45 | gkiagia | grub_: try to remove Option "Device" "/dev/input/event3" |
| 16:02.02 | JordiGH | Where's the source for the libc6 package? "apt-get source libc6" told me that "E: Unable to find a source package for glibc", and yes, I do have the source repos enabled. |
| 16:02.09 | gkiagia | grub_: and maybe set it to /dev/psaux |
| 16:02.11 | grub_ | gkiagia, and set it to? i tried with /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux, same thing |
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| 16:02.23 | grub_ | mosty, ? |
| 16:02.23 | mosty | JordiGH, do you have deb-src lines in your sources.list ? |
| 16:02.31 | JordiGH | mosty: I said I did. |
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| 16:02.36 | grub_ | mosty, using gnome |
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| 16:02.50 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 16:02.56 | azeem | JordiGH: then maybe it is incorrect |
| 16:03.00 | JordiGH | mosty: Huh, "apt-get source glibc" works. |
| 16:03.02 | mosty | grub_, gdm? |
| 16:03.05 | solar_ant | can someone help me resolve dependencies |
| 16:03.06 | gkiagia | grub_: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:03.06 | grub_ | mosty, yeah |
| 16:03.13 | JordiGH | azeem: No, that was fine. Looks like I had to apt-get something else. :-/ |
| 16:03.21 | grub_ | gkiagia, 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 16:03.32 | JordiGH | And the definition of pow(double, double) *is* in glibc, right? |
| 16:03.41 | mosty | grub_, as a hack you could add those modprobe commands in the gdm startup script |
| 16:03.44 | azeem | the definition? |
| 16:03.52 | JordiGH | azeem: The implementation. |
| 16:03.57 | gkiagia | grub_: ok, I had similar problems with linux < 2.6.20 but 2.6.22 is fine |
| 16:04.03 | solar_ant | http://rafb.net/p/SvweBw22.html |
| 16:04.03 | grub_ | oh |
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| 16:04.12 | grub_ | mosty, yeah but scrolling doesnt work either :( |
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| 16:04.30 | grub_ | gkiagia, scrolling worked? |
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| 16:05.15 | gkiagia | grub_: no. all synaptics features were switched off, but that didn't happen at boottime. It happened some random time later |
| 16:06.12 | HardDisk_WP | how do I change my pgp privkey's password? |
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| 16:06.35 | grub_ | gkiagia, hmmm |
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| 16:06.54 | Kernel_Core | hi all |
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| 16:07.05 | HardDisk_WP | ah, have found it |
| 16:07.15 | HardDisk_WP | kgpg's translation to de aint that good |
| 16:07.15 | Kernel_Core | how do I ommit Kernel updating when I want to upgrade the machine with apt-get ?! |
| 16:07.26 | HardDisk_WP | put a hold on it |
| 16:07.37 | mosty | is there a simple way to get sysklogd to save logs locally and also forward them to another syslog on a remote host? |
| 16:08.09 | gkiagia | grub_: but now that I think about it, it may not have been the kernel but Xorg/synaptic driver ?? I don't really know. All I know is that a few months ago, it stopped from happening |
| 16:08.15 | pickcoder | JordiGH: yes |
| 16:08.18 | pickcoder | JordiGH: man pow |
| 16:08.51 | grub_ | gkiagia, am using lenny, i guess it would have the latest drivers, no? |
| 16:09.20 | JordiGH | pickcoder: And where might the manpage for pow be, good sir? Perhaps in some GFDLed document? |
| 16:09.42 | pickcoder | by some change in glibc-doc? |
| 16:09.43 | gkiagia | grub_: lenny should be fine at the moment yes. I had that problem before etch was released. |
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| 16:09.53 | grub_ | hmm |
| 16:10.16 | pickcoder | actually |
| 16:10.22 | pickcoder | I have the manpage |
| 16:10.30 | JordiGH | Looks like it is GFDLed, but no invariant sections. |
| 16:10.30 | pickcoder | glibc-doc isn't installed |
| 16:10.45 | gkiagia | grub_: but I have never used a debian kernel, I always compile them myself, so by that time I was using 2.6.20 |
| 16:11.00 | cydork | JordiGH: it should be in manpages-dev |
| 16:11.14 | grub_ | gkiagia, you think it could be coz of the debian kernel? |
| 16:11.15 | JordiGH | cydork: Thanks. |
| 16:11.37 | pickcoder | yup.. cydork is right |
| 16:11.58 | gkiagia | grub_: no, I don't think so. |
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| 16:13.19 | pickcoder | I don't remember installing that package |
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| 16:13.47 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Well, it's in it. And it doesn't say a thing about how it's implemented. |
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| 16:14.22 | cydork | JordiGH: oh you are looking for implementation, get the source for libc6-dev |
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| 16:14.39 | solar_ant | where can i find the preremoval script for a package |
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| 16:15.03 | JordiGH | cydork: I am. |
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| 16:15.14 | mosty | solar_ant, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 16:15.33 | solar_ant | mosty: thanks ! |
| 16:15.50 | JordiGH | cydork: Heh, someone in the Octave mailing list was asking how does Octave implement the power operator, and asked if it did so by creating a polynomial and finding its roots. :-) |
| 16:16.08 | cydork | wtf? |
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| 16:17.09 | JordiGH | cydork: I know. I would expect more from an Octave user. ;-) |
| 16:17.40 | azeem | of course the manpage doesn't say anything about how it's implemented |
| 16:17.54 | JordiGH | azeem: When asking about how it was implemented, pickcoder told me to do "man pow". |
| 16:17.56 | azeem | those are meant for people using the function, not for people interested in its code |
| 16:18.10 | azeem | JordiGH: then consider the above line directed at pickcoder :) |
| 16:18.22 | r0b- | is there a way to automaticly download video drivers? |
| 16:18.29 | cydork | JordiGH: octave/matlab/mathematica has made people lazy :) |
| 16:18.38 | azeem | JordiGH: but you said "definition" in the beginning, to which man pow is the right answer |
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| 16:19.46 | JordiGH | azeem: I guess I'm used to the term "definition" as used in C++ and C, which contrasts with a function declaration. |
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| 16:20.48 | JordiGH | Funny, Sun holds the copyright for the pow implementation. |
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| 16:21.47 | r0b- | could someone help me find Debian drivers for S3G integrated Graphics |
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| 16:22.35 | pickcoder | azeem: "implementation" can be interpreted in several ways when it's not paired with context |
| 16:24.09 | JordiGH | Hm, is there an assembly instruction for performing a power operation? I guess I'm getting offtopic. |
| 16:24.27 | JordiGH | r0b-: Isn't that the s3 driver? |
| 16:24.55 | mosty | JordiGH, it's highly unlikely that there's a machine instruction for exponentiation |
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| 16:26.46 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I don't think there is a generic opcode for it, it that's what you're asking |
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| 16:27.04 | pickcoder | that doesn't mean there can't be a macro though |
| 16:27.08 | Azx | how to install sblive audigiy in debian |
| 16:27.36 | JordiGH | I'm not seeing any implementation details for pow in the glibc source. I'm starting to guess it's written in asm somewhere. |
| 16:27.38 | pickcoder | I never got into upper x86 assembler |
| 16:28.14 | gkiagia | !sblive |
| 16:28.14 | dpkg | i guess sblive is a soundcard with an emu10k1 chipset. modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules, or for better performance and features use the ALSA driver smd-emu10k1 instead of the OSS lite emu10k1. See also sblivedell |
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| 16:28.56 | azeem | JordiGH: makes sense to implement that in platform-optimized assembler, doesn't it? |
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| 16:29.00 | cahoot | that was a moldy factoid |
| 16:30.19 | JordiGH | azeem: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. |
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| 16:32.26 | JordiGH | azeem: glibc seems to call some __ieee754_pow(double, double) function, but I can't find the definition of this function. |
| 16:32.28 | Azx | alsaconf dosen't detect Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
| 16:32.42 | jelly | hi, is there a boot parameter to have initrd userspace run more verbosely? etch (but for the 2.6.22 kernel) inside virtualbox sometimes hangs after "Begin: running /scripts/init-premount ..." |
| 16:32.45 | JordiGH | IEEE 754 is the document that defines hardware arithmetic. |
| 16:32.49 | azeem | JordiGH: find . -name "*pow*S" |
| 16:33.44 | JordiGH | Aha! |
| 16:33.48 | jelly | JordiGH: sounds like libm |
| 16:33.51 | JordiGH | sysdeps/iee754 |
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| 16:34.00 | JordiGH | So it is in a system-dependent section. :-) |
| 16:34.48 | cahoot | Azx, what happens if you try: modprobe snd.ca0106? |
| 16:35.03 | cahoot | Azx, err modprobe snd-ca0106 |
| 16:35.04 | Azx | i dont have this module |
| 16:35.24 | Azx | isn't audigiy module emu10k1 |
| 16:35.27 | Azx | ? |
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| 16:36.17 | Azx | oh wait |
| 16:36.20 | Azx | you are right. |
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| 16:36.26 | Azx | it's ca0106 |
| 16:36.43 | Azx | cahoot, 10x |
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| 16:39.13 | FordCortina | i've installed gnome-volume-manger and pmount, im in plugdev and I've logged in and out. However when I plug my usb key in nothing happens and no new icon appears in the gnome disk mounter applet. How do I get this work? |
| 16:39.49 | mikefoo | Is there something similar to chkconfig on redhat, on debian, to enable/disable daemons on boot. Anyone know? |
| 16:39.56 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 16:39.57 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; etc |
| 16:40.35 | alex_ | hrm how do i do a apt-get cache search just on backports? |
| 16:40.39 | stew | mikefoo: update-rc.d is full control, rcconf is simple checkboxes for on or off |
| 16:41.01 | stew | alex_: i don't think you can |
| 16:41.18 | JordiGH | -t backports, perhaps? |
| 16:41.21 | stew | nope |
| 16:41.49 | stew | with aptitude maybe based on origin? dunno if that is a possibility |
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| 16:41.53 | JordiGH | I'm sure aptitude can do it, though. |
| 16:42.19 | JordiGH | But aptitude still has a somewhat cryptic interface for this sort of thing. Requires reading the manual. |
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| 16:44.15 | stew | alex_: aptitude search '~Obackports' |
| 16:44.19 | JordiGH | So I found it: sysdeps/ieee754/ldbl-128/e_powl.c has a sample implementation of the pow(double, double) for some architecture or other. |
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| 16:45.03 | JordiGH | I'll go look myself in a second, but has anyone started doing a GTK or Qt or whatever X interface for aptitude? |
| 16:45.37 | stew | gnome-terminal -e aptitude ? |
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| 16:48.35 | JordiGH | I guess that's "no". :-) |
| 16:49.08 | stew | i haven't heard |
| 16:49.18 | SerajewelKS | isn't that called synaptic? |
| 16:49.34 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: No. Synaptic uses libapt. aptitude doesn't. |
| 16:49.43 | SerajewelKS | really |
| 16:49.45 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Results in HUGE differences in package resolution mechanism. |
| 16:49.49 | SerajewelKS | wtf does it use then |
| 16:49.59 | stew | !depends aptitude |
| 16:50.01 | dpkg | aptitude: depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4, libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) |
| 16:50.02 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Nothing. It is a rewrite from scratch. |
| 16:50.20 | JordiGH | Or almost from scratch. |
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| 16:50.26 | stew | JordiGH: it depends on libapt |
| 16:50.32 | SerajewelKS | ah, fun |
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| 16:51.20 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Ok, I guess aptitude does use some libapt functions, but it rewrote a lot of others. Most notably, I know it rewrote the conflict resolution algorithms. |
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| 16:51.54 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.58 | simon23 | hi- kann man eigentlich einen shutdown rückgängig machen ? (wenn man den AusKnopf gedrückt hat) |
| 16:52.00 | simon23 | sry |
| 16:52.09 | Ronin | SF7: depends on what you mean |
| 16:52.19 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 16:52.24 | JordiGH | !start a terminal emulator war |
| 16:52.29 | JordiGH | !start a terminal war |
| 16:52.30 | dpkg | SecureCRT bites the big one! |
| 16:52.33 | SF7 | :] |
| 16:52.46 | JordiGH | SF7: Don't use SecureCRT. |
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| 16:53.41 | pickcoder | SF7? |
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| 16:54.05 | pickcoder | can't you just use zmodem with your existing shell? |
| 16:56.08 | duese_ | after dist-upgrade to lenny i can not boot with the new 2.6.22 kernel. while booting the message "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." appears and the system stops. googling this message leads to many hints but none of them worked |
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| 16:56.19 | JordiGH | duese: So use an older kernel. |
| 16:56.23 | hramrach | Hello |
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| 16:57.05 | hramrach | What software shouts down the system when it gets too hot? I want to put it to sleep instead but I have no idea what does it |
| 16:57.17 | hramrach | shuts down |
| 16:57.21 | cahoot | duese, hda being sda now? |
| 16:57.42 | duese_ | JordiGH: currently i do. i had a hdd crash so i had to install a new hd. |
| 16:57.50 | ma3x | can I somehow watch this http://channelsurfing.net/watch-star-sports-test.html in firefox? |
| 16:57.52 | duese_ | cahoot: no still hda |
| 16:57.55 | wols | hramrach: usually this is hardware. something you can't control |
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| 16:58.05 | pickcoder | duese: did you have softraid on it? |
| 16:58.06 | stew | duese_: how did you check that it was still hda with the new kernel? |
| 16:58.11 | hramrach | wols: no, it performs normal shutdown |
| 16:58.13 | duese_ | pickcoder: no. |
| 16:58.18 | wols | hramrach: acpi then perhaps |
| 16:58.18 | duese | thx for duese :D |
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| 16:58.33 | hramrach | wols: what acpi? |
| 16:58.39 | wols | !acpi |
| 16:58.39 | dpkg | i heard acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
| 16:59.10 | stew | duese_: try rebuilding the initrd for the new kernel with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" |
| 16:59.32 | hramrach | I know waht is acpi, I just do not know what shuts down the system |
| 16:59.35 | JordiGH | tvuvplayerX? |
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| 16:59.47 | stew | duese_: if that doesn't work, consider switching both grub and fstab to refer to either labels or uuids instead of device names, in case hda is changing to sda in 2.6.22 |
| 16:59.51 | Danker | In what package I can find lspci and lsusb? |
| 16:59.57 | duese_ | stew: you mean the system starts as sda? do i have to tell fstab this? there is still hda, reconfiguring didn't help (already tried) |
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| 17:00.23 | duese_ | duese_: sorry didn't recognize were double in here! |
| 17:00.25 | hramrach | Danker: Probably pciutlis and usbutils :P |
| 17:00.26 | stew | duese_: i mean the driver used for your controller might name the drive sda in 2.6.22 |
| 17:00.40 | stew | duese_: (for instance if it is a piix using libata) |
| 17:00.59 | hramrach | or it might be they compiled a different driver for the controller into 2.6.22 |
| 17:01.00 | wols | !tell Danker about search |
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| 17:02.08 | hramrach | Ideally I would like the system not overheat but that's probably asking too much :S |
| 17:02.18 | duese_ | stew: how do i have to mention an uuid in fstab? i tried different variations: UUID=/dev/disk/by-uuid/ccf918... or UUID=ccf918... or simply /dev/disk/by-uuid/ccf918... |
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| 17:03.21 | hramrach | duese_: for me it works with UUID=<uuid> but to make sure try to unmount and remount the filesystem |
| 17:03.24 | \amethyst | duese_: UUID=<blah> is preferred, but /dev/disk/by-uuid/ should work for everything that gets mounted after udev is up |
| 17:03.26 | stew | duese_: UUID=ccf918... ; also change the "# kopt=" line where you have "root=/dev/hda1" to "root=UUID=ccf918..." and run "update-grub" you can find the uuid by looking at "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
| 17:04.01 | stew | try to unmount and remount '/' ? |
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| 17:04.36 | hramrach | well, if you got only one partition it's not that easy to test |
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| 17:05.08 | Usiu | Hi |
| 17:05.15 | stew | perhaps, "mount -o remount UUID=blah" |
| 17:05.17 | Usiu | I am looking for a virtualisation solution for GNU/Linux |
| 17:05.30 | abrotman | xen/qemu/kvm/vmware |
| 17:05.32 | Usiu | I want to set up more than one virtual server on single mahine |
| 17:05.47 | Usiu | abrotman, yes xen cause problems |
| 17:06.02 | hramrach | is there no documentation for the acpi scripts present in Debian? |
| 17:06.04 | bakero | hi there can some one tell me a tool with which it?s possible to resize ext3 filesystem??! |
| 17:06.05 | stew | Usiu: what problems? |
| 17:06.13 | duese_ | mount -o remount UUID=ccf918... worked without failure |
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| 17:06.25 | duese_ | i inserted UUID=ccf... in fstab |
| 17:06.43 | Usiu | abrotman, some applications doesnt work because of wrong permissions to /dev/... |
| 17:06.49 | kisielk | I have a multi-arch netinstall CD |
| 17:06.53 | stew | bakero: apt-cache search ext3 resize |
| 17:06.56 | duese_ | now i'll change menu.lst |
| 17:06.58 | kisielk | and I want to install an x86 version on my AMD64 system |
| 17:07.13 | kisielk | how do I select the architecture? it seems to autodetect it or something |
| 17:07.13 | stew | Usiu: which application, which permissions? |
| 17:07.18 | bakero | thx :) |
| 17:07.34 | Usiu | stew, I dont remember but /dev/mem for example I guess screen command |
| 17:07.36 | stew | kisielk: if you hit f1 at the boot menu does it give you an option? |
| 17:07.48 | stew | Usiu: what is the error that you get? |
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| 17:07.55 | kisielk | stew, well, it gives a bunch of options, but none of them seems to do what I want |
| 17:08.40 | Usiu | stew, that it cant open it and screen doesnt work |
| 17:08.40 | kisielk | eg: I don't see one for booting non-amd |
| 17:08.41 | Usiu | stew, whats more networking works slow I think |
| 17:08.41 | stew | Usiu: what command do you run, and what exact error do you get? |
| 17:08.41 | Usiu | stew, I wrote screen |
| 17:09.06 | sohmestra | I'm attempting to create a test exim4 transport filter. According to what I've read, I should be able to create a simple cat type filter, by prefixing my output with the obligitory mail from: blah \n rcpt to: blah \n . \n |
| 17:09.10 | hramrach | kisielk: get a x86 only cd then :) |
| 17:09.16 | stew | Usiu: and what error did you get? |
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| 17:09.33 | sohmestra | however, it doesn't work, I get a major message loopback problem. |
| 17:09.36 | kisielk | hramrach: well, I thought the whole point of the multi-arch CD would be that I could select which I wanted to install so I don't have to keep a bunch of CDs around |
| 17:09.49 | Usiu | stew, I dont have access to that server now.. but it was something about that it cant open device |
| 17:10.02 | Usiu | stew, but this is not the only problem |
| 17:10.12 | Usiu | stew, also networking sometimes is sloow |
| 17:10.17 | hramrach | kisielk: no, the point is that it boots on multiple archs so you do not have to keep a bunch of CDs around. |
| 17:10.20 | stew | Usiu: but you dont' actually want help with this? |
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| 17:10.33 | Usiu | stew, well I want something like Xen but Open source |
| 17:10.45 | Usiu | stew, or Xen patch for new kernel |
| 17:10.46 | hramrach | kisielk: but you would not want to install an alpha system, would you? |
| 17:11.04 | protoloko | Hello i would to like to install Mailman.. i need SMTP, but pop3 also or imap ?? |
| 17:11.09 | protoloko | for mailman service ? |
| 17:11.09 | stew | Usiu: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:11.26 | Usiu | stew, stable |
| 17:11.35 | kisielk | hramrach: well, that image has i386/AMD64/PPC |
| 17:11.40 | kisielk | and I have all three types of machines here |
| 17:11.43 | wols | protoloko: aptitude install mailman and you will know |
| 17:11.48 | kisielk | so I wanted to have just one CD |
| 17:11.50 | bullgard4 | What stands the acpi wakeup device AZAL for? |
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| 17:12.13 | kisielk | but now in the case of this server, I want to install the i386 image on an AMD |
| 17:12.18 | hramrach | kisielk: And whichever you boot gets installed, right? |
| 17:12.24 | Usiu | stew, is there xen patch for new kernel somewhere in the network? |
| 17:12.40 | kisielk | hramrach: well, I think so |
| 17:13.29 | stew | Usiu: not that I know of |
| 17:13.35 | hramrach | kisielk: I guess you need the i386 only cd then. You can file a bug somewhere :) |
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| 17:13.40 | stew | isn't xen mainline now? |
| 17:13.53 | GooZ | how do i clean up modules dir after compiling with make-kpkg modules_image |
| 17:13.56 | Usiu | stew, what do You mean? |
| 17:13.59 | protoloko | Wols Suggested packages: spamassassin python-korean-codecs python-japanese-codecs listadmin ? |
| 17:14.02 | Spliffster | hi, does bind9 in debian-r4 support the ldap sdb backend without patching ? |
| 17:14.02 | protoloko | didnt say anything |
| 17:14.09 | protoloko | about stmp/pop3 |
| 17:14.44 | kisielk | hramrach: yeah, I think I will file a bug |
| 17:14.48 | wols | protoloko: what does "suggested" mean again in the english language? |
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| 17:15.05 | stew | Usiu: xen is being integrated into the mainline kernel sources so it would no longer require a patch. I don't know if that was done for 2.6.22 or 2.6.23, there are 2.6.22 kernels available for stable from backports.org but not 2.6.23 yet |
| 17:15.10 | duese_ | it worked! |
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| 17:15.42 | Spliffster | debian-r4, bind9 and sdb ldap backend ... anyone ? |
| 17:15.46 | protoloko | wols, u said doin an apt i would know... about if i need stmp and/or pop3 |
| 17:16.17 | wols | protoloko: yes. what's wrong about this? is "python-japanese-codecs" a pop3 daemon? |
| 17:16.25 | wols | btw: you always need a MTA, even without mailman |
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| 17:16.33 | wols | even if only for local deliver |
| 17:16.34 | wols | y |
| 17:16.48 | Usiu | stew, hmm I dont think so.. I'll check it |
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| 17:17.17 | duese_ | hdd is mounted via uuid. but fstab still contains /dev/hda5 for swap and /dev/hdc for cdrom. do i have to change them to sdX? |
| 17:17.45 | hramrach | duese_: you can change the swap to uuid |
| 17:17.51 | stew | duese_: does 'fdisk -l' now list them as sda5 and sdc? |
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| 17:18.12 | stew | duese_: you may want to use uuid's for those as well (becuase if you boot your older kenrel, they will go back to being /dev/hda5) |
| 17:18.35 | hramrach | duese_: the cdrom would be /dev/sr0, you can just add another entry for the new device |
| 17:18.46 | duese_ | stew: yes |
| 17:18.56 | stew | or you really should be able to just use /dev/cdrom |
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| 17:19.16 | Spliffster | i plan to run my dns server off an ldap directory (zones/hosts stored in the ldap server). which is a good choice to use? i can use apt-cache but i would know from someone who has done it already. |
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| 17:20.33 | duese_ | hmm. wait: fdisk -l doesn't show my cdrom |
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| 17:20.54 | stew | duese_: it wouldn't. what does "readlink -f /dev/cdrom" say? |
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| 17:21.53 | tempboy | hi all i installed etch and the lspci command is not found |
| 17:21.57 | tempboy | what package do i need to install? |
| 17:22.16 | stew | tempboy: pciutils (/msg dpkg search) |
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| 17:23.51 | duese_ | readlink -f /dev/cdrom1 shows /dev/scd0 |
| 17:24.14 | tempboy | thanks stew |
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| 17:25.04 | abrotman | !tell ismael about root |
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| 17:26.21 | stew | duese_: is there not a /dev/cdrom? i'd recommend using /dev/cdrom or /dev/cdrom1 as those should be updated at boot time to be the right thing |
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| 17:27.13 | duese_ | stew: readlink -f /dev/cdrom1 shows /dev/scd0 |
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| 17:27.45 | drwahl | ls |
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| 17:31.37 | duese_ | stew: how can i find out the uuid of my swap partition? its on the same hd as / blkid doesn't show an uuid for swap. ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ doesn't show one. |
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| 17:33.29 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 17:33.34 | stew | duese_: hmm, not sure. you could just list both /dev/hda5 and /dev/sda5 and it will only activate what it can find |
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| 17:35.24 | duese_ | stew: i think it works. i'll delete that old kernel if i do not experience any further problems... thanks for the great help! |
| 17:35.39 | duese_ | also thanks to the others! |
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| 17:36.19 | stew | duese_: you're welcome |
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| 17:37.35 | protoloko | There is a version control for a database ? |
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| 17:41.31 | kisielk | hramrach: okay, you can select the arch if you install in "expert" mode |
| 17:42.54 | kisielk | at least, you can select the kernel |
| 17:43.10 | kisielk | hopefully it also selects the arch for the packages too |
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| 17:44.52 | grub_ | hi folks |
| 17:45.42 | grub_ | i dont get anything on dmesg | grep -i touch, and in my touchpad tapping wont work unless i do a modprobe -r psmouse and modprobe psmouse on each reboot what seems to be wrong? |
| 17:45.50 | grub_ | i have the synaptics xorg drivers |
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| 17:46.26 | abrotman | grub_: put the modules in /etc/modules |
| 17:46.56 | grub_ | abrotman, you mean psmouse? i tried that also, yet i had to do that on each reboot ( the modprobe thing) |
| 17:47.12 | abrotman | and it's in /etc/modules ? |
| 17:47.15 | tt | Need some easy help with patching screen. I've downloaded screen and vertical split for screen. Ive got two files and now I want to patch the screen source with the downloaded diff-file. How do I do this? |
| 17:47.30 | grub_ | abrotman, yes |
| 17:47.41 | et | are there going to be problems when you fill a ext3 disk to 98 percent (means, should you leave some of it free or is there no problem?) |
| 17:48.28 | grub_ | abrotman, dmesg | grep touch doesn't detect my touchpad! thats bad, isnt it? |
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| 17:49.03 | stew | tt: cd to the screen source tree, then run "patch --dry-run -p0 < /path/to/diff" if it complains or can't find files, try -p1, -p2 until it is happy, then run it without --dry-run to actually make changes |
| 17:49.05 | abrotman | not if the drivers aren't loading |
| 17:49.08 | petemc | et: by default 5% is reserved for root, but ext3 works fine when full |
| 17:49.30 | et | petemc: it isn't the root partition |
| 17:49.33 | grub_ | abrotman, after the modprobe it should be loaded right? and it should detect then? |
| 17:49.43 | grub_ | my xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/52bI7h84.html |
| 17:49.47 | tt | stew: I'll try that. |
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| 17:49.59 | abrotman | grub_: if that's the driver for your touchpad |
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| 17:50.43 | grub_ | abrotman, but it does work after the modprobe, tapping does. But scrolling still doesnt work |
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| 17:51.09 | abrotman | oh jeez .. i thought you meant it didn't work at all |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 17:51.11 | dpkg | from memory, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
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| 17:51.40 | grub_ | abrotman, oh no, it moves, but tapping doesnt work untill i do that modprobe, but still then scrolling doesnt work |
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| 17:52.23 | grub_ | abrotman, this is what i get when i do modprobe -r psmouse and then modprobe psmouse from Xorg.log.0 http://rafb.net/p/zSI9Xh49.html |
| 17:52.47 | grub_ | although i have it set as /dev/psaux in the xorg.conf ... |
| 17:52.52 | abrotman | see above .. AFAIk .. you need the synaptics driver .. i hate those things .. so i don't use them |
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| 17:53.11 | grub_ | abrotman, i already have it installed |
| 17:53.24 | grub_ | from the repos |
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| 17:54.30 | tt | stew: When trying to install the patched screen I get the error (while ./configure) : configure: error: !!! no tgetent - no screen |
| 17:54.38 | Assassyn | how can i remove inetd? |
| 17:54.43 | abrotman | grub_: man synaptics |
| 17:54.44 | Assassyn | apt-get remove inetd doesn`t work |
| 17:54.47 | abrotman | Assassyn: why? |
| 17:55.12 | Assassyn | to install xinetd |
| 17:55.14 | stew | tt: apt-get build-dep screen |
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| 17:55.30 | abrotman | Assassyn: so aptitude install xinetd |
| 17:55.41 | stew | Assassyn: "aptitude install xinetd inetd-" |
| 17:56.04 | abrotman | IIRC .. xinetd and openbsd-inetd can co-exist |
| 17:56.12 | tt | stew: Still get the same message. |
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| 17:56.20 | tt | configure: checking libtermlib... |
| 17:56.20 | tt | configure: checking libncurses... |
| 17:56.20 | tt | configure: error: !!! no tgetent - no screen |
| 17:56.21 | Assassyn | how can remove inetd please |
| 17:56.36 | abrotman | Assassyn: aptitude remove openbsd-inetd |
| 17:57.00 | abrotman | Assassyn: next time .. `dpkg -l | grep inetd` .. and get the correct package name |
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| 17:58.20 | grub_ | am trying to see if i get the same problem in other live cds too, biab |
| 17:58.49 | stew | tt: i don't know |
| 17:58.59 | tt | stew: Thanks anyway. |
| 17:59.09 | Assassyn | thanks abrotman :D |
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| 17:59.38 | stew | tt: is libncurses5-dev installed? |
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| 18:00.20 | dorshin | i cant connect to the repositories i add sources.lst |
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| 18:00.31 | wols | dorshin: use othre ones? |
| 18:01.02 | abrotman | or show us a useful error |
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| 18:02.29 | dorshin | 0% [connecting to security.debian.org (10.0.0.0)] |
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| 18:02.38 | dorshin | then it time out |
| 18:02.57 | et | the last one is obvious ;) |
| 18:03.15 | tt | stew: Hmm It wasn't, cant really understand why. Configure and make worked but on make install I get: termcap entry (./terminfo/screencap) should be installed manually. |
| 18:03.18 | tt | You may also want to install ./etc/etcscreenrc in ./etc/screenrc |
| 18:03.31 | wols | dorshin: can you tell us why security.debian.org points to a private ip (10.0.0.1)? |
| 18:03.43 | dorshin | i add another repository and i get the same for the new repository |
| 18:03.53 | dorshin | i dont know |
| 18:03.54 | abrotman | dorshin: you have a proxy or something in the way |
| 18:03.55 | wols | dorshin: you don't have a proper network connection |
| 18:03.57 | dorshin | i dont use any proxy |
| 18:04.07 | wols | dorshin: you do. 10.0.0.0 proves it |
| 18:04.23 | wols | do you have the HTTP_PROXY variable set? |
| 18:04.46 | dorshin | i dont know, i have a fresh install, and i havent change anything. |
| 18:05.03 | wols | then your ISP does it for you |
| 18:05.14 | wols | or maybe you don't even have a network connection at all |
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| 18:06.25 | dorshin | i dont think so. |
| 18:07.11 | dorshin | can you read my lineS? |
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| 18:09.01 | helo | when i shut this machine down, when it tries to stop my second raid1 array, it always fails saying it is in use... is this normal? |
| 18:09.10 | dorshin | tcp 0 1 bluebox.local:51084 1.0.0.0:www SYN_SENT |
| 18:09.10 | dorshin | tcp 0 1 bluebox.local:51085 1.0.0.0:www SYN_SENT |
| 18:09.30 | dorshin | i dont know what this connection is! |
| 18:09.37 | dorshin | and why 10.0.0.0 |
| 18:09.37 | Assassyn | how can i kill a process? |
| 18:09.50 | helo | i guess it says 'failed (busy)' |
| 18:09.55 | theatro | pkill, kill, akill |
| 18:10.14 | alaya__ | dorshin: Big Brother is watching you |
| 18:10.37 | dorshin | i think its not time for joke :P |
| 18:11.04 | Assassyn | help i don`t know how to kill swat process |
| 18:11.06 | alaya__ | dorshin: run mtr on some address. see where the traffic routes |
| 18:11.13 | Assassyn | it has port 901 open and i want to close it |
| 18:12.17 | dorshin | alaya__: so what do you want me to return? |
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| 18:12.33 | alaya__ | dorshin: or tracert if mtr is not installed |
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| 18:12.41 | dorshin | alaya__: it is installed |
| 18:12.59 | helo | for some odd reason, only my first raid1 array can be stopped when i shut down... the others say 'failed (busy)'... is this normal/ok? |
| 18:13.52 | dorshin | alaya__: so what do you want me to write here from the output? |
| 18:14.09 | alaya__ | dorshin: i guess that would not detect if only http is being intercepted/redirected |
| 18:14.28 | alaya__ | dorshin: but maybe it shows if all traffic is getting diverted through somewhere |
| 18:14.33 | dorshin | it finds the right ip addresses. |
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| 18:15.08 | dorshin | Resolver: Received error response 2. (server failure)er of fields quit |
| 18:15.10 | alaya__ | dorshin: look for traffic always going through the same points |
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| 18:16.18 | helo | i've done two different installs, with very basic raid configs, and both fail stopping the second one |
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| 18:17.25 | grub_ | abrotman: you there? |
| 18:17.28 | dorshin | is this something meaningful? ""Resolver: Received error response 2. (server failure)er of fields quit" |
| 18:17.54 | alaya__ | dorshin: what does route -n say? |
| 18:17.59 | grub_ | abrotman: the touchpad works with ubuntu live cd, yet i dont get anything with dmesg | grep -i synaptics |
| 18:18.23 | alaya__ | dorshin: and contents of /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 18:18.34 | Haris | Hello people |
| 18:18.52 | kolby | Haris: hello |
| 18:19.12 | Haris | Guys, I'm unable to unmount a cifs mounted share with unmount. It says; |
| 18:19.12 | Haris | # umount /mnt/software/ |
| 18:19.13 | Haris | This utility only unmounts cifs filesystems. |
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| 18:19.37 | helo | there are apparently a ton of people having this same problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/111398 |
| 18:19.55 | dorshin | Kernel IP routing table |
| 18:19.55 | dorshin | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 18:19.55 | dorshin | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:19.55 | dorshin | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 18:20.05 | alaya__ | dorshin: you pastebin.ca |
| 18:20.07 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 18:20.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 18:20.14 | alaya__ | dorshin: use pastebin.ca |
| 18:20.20 | alaya__ | sorry |
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| 18:20.44 | Ksz | hello folks |
| 18:20.52 | Ksz | how to migrate from debian 3.1 to 4.0 ? |
| 18:21.00 | stew | Ksz: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:21.02 | mick_work | has anyone ever had their sound card not work after a kernel upgrade? |
| 18:21.06 | hark | grub_: check Xorg.0.log instead, and make sure you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed |
| 18:21.08 | stew | mick_work: lots of people |
| 18:21.10 | Ksz | stew ok |
| 18:21.12 | dorshin | alaya__: nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:21.13 | mick_work | it doesn't even see the device anymore :( |
| 18:21.22 | stew | mick_work: what is "it"/ |
| 18:21.40 | dorshin | sorry people. |
| 18:21.54 | Haris | Any idea? |
| 18:21.55 | mick_work | good question - i'm not sure - dmesg doesn't tell me much |
| 18:21.55 | grub_ | hark: yep, i have that installed, i even tried removing and reinstalling it just to be sure that it installed properly |
| 18:21.58 | Haris | ideas+ |
| 18:22.01 | alaya__ | dorshin: one thing you could do is find out what your provider's nameservers are and bypass 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:22.09 | mick_work | it is onboard |
| 18:22.23 | mick_work | and when trying to use alsamixer i get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 18:22.36 | stew | mick_work: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 18:22.39 | dorshin | thats routers ip address |
| 18:23.08 | alaya__ | dorshin: i know. for some reason it seems to not be handling requests well |
| 18:23.45 | mick_work | i get an error about: modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/modules.dep |
| 18:23.46 | xingu | !1.0.0.0 |
| 18:23.46 | dpkg | i guess 1.0.0.0 is - your cheap and nasty gateway is probably buggy; this is typically the address a busted DNS proxy will issue in reply to an IPv6 name to address DNS query (AAAA query-type) |
| 18:23.51 | mick_work | when doing alsaconf |
| 18:23.54 | alaya__ | dorshin: if you are in a company or school you should probably contact the admins |
| 18:24.04 | stew | mick_work: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:24.17 | mick_work | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:24.25 | stew | mick_work: try running "depmod -a" |
| 18:24.32 | Haris | Has anyone had this issue with cifs mounts? |
| 18:24.36 | dorshin | but how come i can get the right ip addresses through my browser?? |
| 18:24.39 | stew | mick_work: you should consider upgrading, that kernel is now obsoleted by 2.6.18-5 |
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| 18:25.00 | alaya__ | dorshin: see xingu's comments above! |
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| 18:25.08 | helo | i guess i will just have to reinstall and use a single raid1 device instead of one for both /boot and / |
| 18:25.29 | mick_work | stew: thank you very much :) |
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| 18:25.41 | stew | Haris: what does "mount | grep software" return? |
| 18:25.52 | dorshin | what if i use another dns address? |
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| 18:26.10 | dorshin | would it solve my problem? |
| 18:26.16 | xingu | dorshin: should do. |
| 18:26.27 | Haris | # mount | grep software |
| 18:26.27 | Haris | //192.168.0.11/software on /mnt/software type cifs (rw,mand) |
| 18:26.31 | alaya__ | dorshin: try google for disable ipv6 debian. possibly try that and see if it helps |
| 18:26.34 | mick_work | works :D |
| 18:26.43 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, is there a way to know the load average for each day? or I have to write a script to calculate that |
| 18:27.00 | Polarina | Hello. When I turn on my external hard-disk while in GNOME, expecting it to auto-mount, all I get is an error message (org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy). I searched at Google for a solution but without success. The user is in the 'plugdev' and the 'disk' groups. Anyone knows what I am doing wrong? |
| 18:27.31 | mick_work | Polarina: selinux policy issue is my guess |
| 18:27.37 | alaya__ | dorshin: go to whatismyip.com or somewhere and find out who your provider is. go to their help pages and find out what dns settings are |
| 18:27.47 | Polarina | mick_work: Do you know how I disable it? |
| 18:27.57 | simonrvn | Polarina: is it also set to user in fstab? |
| 18:28.07 | Polarina | simonrvn: Let me check. |
| 18:28.07 | lijopallatt | hai |
| 18:28.12 | xingu | dorshin: your gateway device probably has a settings page that will tell you the dns server settings it is using |
| 18:28.17 | xingu | dorshin: just use them directly |
| 18:28.34 | Polarina | simonrvn: /dev/sda1 isn't listed in fstab. |
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| 18:28.47 | dorshin | The router is not mine,i am at a internetcafe.i want to use opendns's dns servers, |
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| 18:29.10 | simonrvn | Polarina: actually forget that, you probably want to leave it out |
| 18:29.12 | xingu | dorshin: then just list their addresses in resolv.conf |
| 18:29.28 | Polarina | simonrvn: What should I do? |
| 18:29.31 | xingu | great, *internet* cafe's with aaaa-lookup bustage |
| 18:29.34 | simonrvn | Polarina: does 'groups' list those groups? |
| 18:29.41 | mick_work | simonrvn: am i way off with thinking that it has to do w/ selinux? |
| 18:29.42 | Polarina | simonrvn: Yes. |
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| 18:30.13 | alaya__ | actually it would be better to prepend the nameservers in dhclient.conf but if its only a temp connect in an internet cafe it might not be worth it |
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| 18:30.59 | simonrvn | i usually skip this 'auto-mount" stuff and do it manually. though it does work for me. |
| 18:31.16 | dorshin | so, for a permenent solution, i had edit dhclient.conf? |
| 18:31.18 | simonrvn | mick_work: selinux? yeh it's in the kernels, but it's disabled |
| 18:31.27 | alaya__ | dorshin: yep |
| 18:31.37 | mick_work | the error looks like an selinux policy error |
| 18:31.53 | alaya__ | xingu: but the coffee's cheap! |
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| 18:31.59 | simonrvn | mick_work: no, hal |
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| 18:32.06 | alaya__ | so are the pastries! |
| 18:32.14 | mick_work | ah ok - thanks |
| 18:32.17 | xipietotec | is it possible to format SD cards as ext3? |
| 18:32.18 | dorshin | and, another question,sorry,should i add a comma and the new dns servers ip address? |
| 18:32.24 | mick_work | xipietotec: yes |
| 18:32.26 | dorshin | or to a new line? |
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| 18:32.49 | stew | xipietotec: a non-journalled filesystem like ext2 might be kinder |
| 18:32.58 | simonrvn | dorshin: nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\nnameserver yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy |
| 18:33.05 | simonrvn | \n is a newline |
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| 18:33.21 | xipietotec | hrrm....then it should be possible for me to modify this guide for putting an SD card on my linksys router. The guide directs you to use VFAT. |
| 18:33.41 | alaya__ | dorshin: i think just space |
| 18:33.52 | alaya__ | dorshin: look at example on man page |
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| 18:34.09 | simonrvn | Polarina: otherwise, i'm clueless. i haven't mess with this stuff much |
| 18:34.15 | simonrvn | messed* |
| 18:34.26 | Polarina | simonrvn: Ok. Thank you. |
| 18:34.51 | simonrvn | maybe someone else has more clue (probably) |
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| 18:35.13 | dorshin | alaya__: what should i man for? |
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| 18:35.27 | alaya__ | dhclient.conf |
| 18:35.28 | dorshin | alaya__: sorry:( i am a beginner. |
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| 18:35.36 | venger | i'm reading a gentoo howto about nvidia agp setups (only howto i've found), What is the debian equivalent for what the readme refers to as "/etc/modules.d/nvidia". I checked /etc/modprobe.d and there is no nvidia there, so that I can set options? |
| 18:35.42 | alaya__ | dorshin: i think its just a space |
| 18:36.25 | dorshin | between the ip addreses? |
| 18:36.25 | alaya__ | dorshin: be aware that that setting will affect all your connections in the future |
| 18:36.25 | stew | venger: /etc/modprobe.d/* (man modprobe.conf) |
| 18:36.25 | venger | (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Nvidia_Driver_AGP_FastWrite_and_Side_Band_Addressing) for those interested |
| 18:36.29 | xingu | Haris: nb unable to replicate here |
| 18:36.32 | alaya__ | dorshin: not just at internet cafe. that's why it might be better just to edit resolv.conf manually |
| 18:36.36 | Polarina | venger: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:37.03 | venger | oh nice, thanks Polarina |
| 18:37.12 | Polarina | venger: :) |
| 18:37.12 | Haris | xingu: Come again? |
| 18:37.13 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.26 | dorshin | alaya__: ohh ok,i understand. |
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| 18:37.57 | alaya__ | dorshin: you could create resolv.conf.internetcafe and when you are there just cp it over resolv.conf |
| 18:37.58 | xingu | Haris: umount of cifs; mount was mount -t cifs -o user=smbuser,uid=unixuser,gid=unixgroup '//server/share' /mountpoint |
| 18:38.10 | xingu | Haris: umount /mountpoint works as expected |
| 18:38.31 | Haris | So far, I have no idea why its not working for me |
| 18:38.38 | Haris | I have tried all known ways |
| 18:38.38 | xingu | Haris: what version of mount and smbfs? |
| 18:38.51 | Haris | short of restarting the smb daemon on the server side |
| 18:38.54 | alaya__ | dorshin: the next time you get a dhcp lease somewhere else, resolv.conf will get overwritten again |
| 18:39.05 | Haris | xingu: That which comes out of the box with etch |
| 18:39.09 | xingu | Haris: shouldn't be necessary; looks more like a mount/mount.cifs mismatch to me |
| 18:39.18 | xingu | Haris: and what kernel? |
| 18:39.20 | helo | hmm, just reinstalled to use onlyt a single raid1 device as /, and i'm still getting the error when it tries to stop it on shutdown that it is busy... |
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| 18:39.40 | dorshin | should i use any command after editing it? |
| 18:39.46 | xingu | Haris: nb recent (2.6.22+) kernels have reworked the way mount opts are flung about... |
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| 18:40.10 | helo | is there something i'm missing here, or is raid1 always supposed to have a big FAILED on shutdown? |
| 18:40.25 | Haris | samba, samba-common, samba-doc. All are version 3.0.24-6etch4 |
| 18:40.26 | xingu | helo: is this on a swap device by any chance? |
| 18:40.33 | Blokk | my keyboard is seriosly messed up in gnome, I guess/hope that it is due to an incorrect mapping |
| 18:40.34 | alaya__ | dorshin: no it takes effect immediately |
| 18:40.41 | helo | there is a swap partition on the device, yes |
| 18:40.42 | Haris | uname -r: 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 18:40.49 | Haris | The one that comes with etch |
| 18:40.54 | helo | i'll try disabling it |
| 18:40.59 | xingu | helo: try adding resume=none boot arg just as a stray thought |
| 18:41.31 | dorshin | can i use comment # ? |
| 18:41.36 | xingu | helo: it's possible for hibernate to keep the swap device locked even after swapoff, someone discovered here a couple of days back. |
| 18:41.40 | Blokk | but I cannot change it. When I try to run preferences->keyboard the application crashes... |
| 18:42.17 | xingu | Haris: odd; bug it |
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| 18:42.27 | dorshin | it worked:D!!! |
| 18:42.33 | Haris | bugs.debian.org? |
| 18:42.37 | xingu | Haris: as I said, basic testcase worked as expected |
| 18:42.39 | xingu | Haris: reportbug |
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| 18:42.52 | venger | stew, what would create a nvidia file (for nvidia_agp not graphics driver) in /etc/modprobe.d if it doesn't exist? |
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| 18:43.27 | Haris | 3 advanced Like standard, but assumes you know a bit more about Debian, including "incoming". <- what's incomming? |
| 18:43.28 | xingu | Haris: I don't have an etch system to test on - your usage should be fine (etch kernel, mount, smbfs); expectation is umount.cifs should be happy to mount something mounted with mount.cifs |
| 18:43.47 | xingu | Haris: package upload dir - you're asking, hence, you don't ;) |
| 18:43.57 | dorshin | thank you people! really!! thats why i love linux, and linux people! |
| 18:44.07 | stew | venger: you would |
| 18:44.09 | Haris | xingu: I used simple mount, but usually it does point to mount.cifs when that fs is chosen for shares |
| 18:44.15 | Polarina | Wow.. I managed to make aptitude do a boo boo (Segmentation Fault). |
| 18:44.36 | xingu | Haris: yep exactly so; mount with cifs fstype in fstab or -t cifs passes over to mount.cifs, ditto umount |
| 18:44.42 | Haris | What's a better interface for reporting bugs? text or menu? |
| 18:44.49 | jahshua | Polarina: wowe, hehe. |
| 18:45.02 | xingu | Haris: I prefer the menu personally, try it |
| 18:45.04 | helo | xingu: how can i tell if the swapoff worked or not? |
| 18:45.11 | xingu | helo: cat /proc/swaps ? |
| 18:45.13 | dorshin | alaya__: xingu : thank you! |
| 18:45.17 | helo | k |
| 18:45.19 | xingu | !customer |
| 18:45.19 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:45.45 | xingu | helo: nb, I meant what I said about trying resume=none boot arg. |
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| 18:46.27 | dorshin | xingu: customer:D |
| 18:46.32 | spoown | Hello all !! |
| 18:46.35 | simonrvn | swapon -s |
| 18:46.37 | Haris | *** Unable to import urwid interface: Please install the python-urwid package to use this interface. Falling back to text interface. :p |
| 18:46.40 | simonrvn | (same output) |
| 18:47.08 | helo | resume=none didn't do anything for me |
| 18:47.17 | claudio` | How can i remove an user password? |
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| 18:48.17 | helo | every time i boot up it says "md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction" |
| 18:48.52 | grub_ | hark, abrotman there? |
| 18:48.52 | helo | wth is the point of raid1 if it is never clean after a reboot? |
| 18:48.57 | simonrvn | let it finish syncing before you reboot then it won't do it anymore |
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| 18:49.01 | simonrvn | helo: ^^^ |
| 18:49.20 | Haris | 104) #383375: smbfs: umount.cifs leaves share listed in 'df' |
| 18:49.38 | Haris | Does this bug qualify as similar to mine? |
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| 18:50.52 | xingu | Haris: it's possible; is the mountpoint dir empty, or not? |
| 18:51.01 | sohmestra | bsmtp is basically passing a raw message prefixed by: mail from: blah \n rcpt to: blah \n . \n correct? |
| 18:51.29 | Haris | xingu: Its empty |
| 18:51.46 | xingu | Haris: and a quick cat of /proc/mounts? that guy is the horse's mouth |
| 18:51.55 | xingu | Haris: if it's not showing there, then yes, same bug |
| 18:52.13 | Haris | yep, not showing there |
| 18:52.30 | simonrvn | sohmestra: a) \r\n b) more or less |
| 18:52.30 | spoown | can someone try to ping me ? |
| 18:52.48 | xingu | Haris: yep, same bug then; which is good from one perspective (known-known), but bad from another (still unresolved at etch release) |
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| 18:53.32 | sohmestra | simonrvn: hmm. maybe that's my problem then. (a). thanks. |
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| 18:56.30 | claudio` | done |
| 18:56.41 | claudio` | THX anyway. |
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| 18:58.11 | Haris | I should probably bash the bug fixing team for not fixing this one |
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| 19:03.17 | gambakufu | hi. when trying to configure a package I'm getting an error: "c compiler can not create executable". any idea what that means? |
| 19:03.43 | liable | !b-e gambakufu |
| 19:03.44 | dpkg | gambakufu: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 19:04.31 | gambakufu | thank you. |
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| 19:12.00 | helo | simonrvn: i waited for them to sync, and it still fails when trying to stop the device on reboots, but it doesn't come back up dirty |
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| 19:13.11 | helo | a lot is riding on this machine working very reliably... this stop failed problem is kinda freaking me out |
| 19:14.13 | helo | i've seen some forums where dozens of people are having this same problem, without a single solution anywhere |
| 19:14.51 | xingu | helo: one assumes that the box won't be doing much rebooting ;) |
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| 19:15.36 | xingu | helo: can't really help model your problem though, so beyond google and the resume= trick, that's me out. |
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| 19:16.34 | xingu | helo: the way I'd debug it would be to hack the late rc K scripts to dump /proc/mounts, /proc/swaps and see what the state of the world was just before reboot. |
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| 19:17.00 | xingu | helo: that might reveal some clues; an fuser -muv / might be worthwhile too |
| 19:17.13 | xingu | helo: ... again just before reboot. |
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| 19:18.26 | xingu | hmm, interesting, r8169 enables just about none of its offload features by default |
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| 19:19.22 | Freakingme | I want to replace my ssh server with an alternative package. So I added a source in sources.list, for ssh especially. The problem is now, that when I do apt-get install ssh, I get the (in my case) error 'is already the newest version'. How do I replace that default package with the one I want to use? |
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| 19:19.38 | CrashandDie | hey guys, can someone point out where the iptables config file is ? Isn't it in /var/lib/iptables/active ? |
| 19:20.24 | Freakingme | I guess there is none |
| 19:20.31 | Freakingme | because iptables is a server module |
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| 19:21.02 | xingu | CrashandDie: http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 19:21.04 | gpm | Freakingme: you want to install something else called ssh? |
| 19:21.10 | Freakingme | You can of course create a file in /etc/rc*.d/ in which you define all iptables rules |
| 19:21.27 | Freakingme | no, I want to install a package that has chrootssh_patch built in |
| 19:21.39 | gpm | Freakingme: just install the .deb manually |
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| 19:22.06 | Freakingme | hmm, I could try that indeed, thanks |
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| 19:23.24 | stew | Freakingme: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openssh-server" |
| 19:23.28 | stew | Freakingme: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:24.30 | stew | CrashandDie: there is no iptables config file, you can create one if you want with iptables-save, you'd then also be responsible for running iptables-restore |
| 19:24.39 | Freakingme | http://rafb.net/p/qv93fU93.html |
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| 19:25.07 | helo | xingu: why is it that you think it is swap related? |
| 19:25.07 | CrashandDie | I guess this tutorial is out of date then: http://thomer.com/howtos/nstx.html |
| 19:25.55 | stew | CrashandDie: yes |
| 19:26.51 | Freakingme | stew any ideas? http://rafb.net/p/qv93fU93.html |
| 19:26.54 | Ksz | do you know if 2x intel xeon processors 2,66 are faster than AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ ? |
| 19:27.04 | Ksz | in mysql, www tasks |
| 19:27.42 | CrashandDie | then can anyone translate those rests of config to an iptables command ? |
| 19:27.44 | stew | Freakingme: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:27.46 | Eulex | Ksz, the xeon ones, are they core duo-based? |
| 19:27.59 | Freakingme | 4.0 |
| 19:28.04 | Freakingme | @ stew |
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| 19:28.24 | stew | Freakingme: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 openssh-server"? |
| 19:28.28 | abrotman | Ksz: ask #hardware manybe |
| 19:29.41 | Freakingme | stew http://rafb.net/p/hksnN076.html |
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| 19:30.25 | stew | Freakingme: you you are trying to replace the current etch ssh with an out of date one that was compiled for sarge |
| 19:30.36 | Swistak | hello, anyone had problems with /boot on RAID 1 ? grub fails to start |
| 19:30.49 | Eulex | Ksz, two dual core xeon 3070 2.66ghz? the xeons would clearly win, even if there was just one of them. |
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| 19:30.49 | Freakingme | stew that explains some, thanks |
| 19:30.55 | Swistak | it might be problem with new intel motherboard tho |
| 19:31.09 | stew | Freakingme: and in sarge, there was only an "ssh" package, but in etch, they are split into "openssh-server" and "openssh-client", and so if you are going to replace one, you'd have to replace both. |
| 19:31.53 | stew | Freakingme: if i were you, i'd recommend finding a more up to date ssh pacakge, or a patch you could apply to the current debian version of openssh-server |
| 19:32.08 | Karti | Hi all, having some difficulty in getting XServer to start, It has picked up my graphics card, could anyone give some pointers? I am trying out 64 Studio but its based on Debian. All ideas are fully appreciated ;) |
| 19:32.15 | Freakingme | yeah, I will. thanks anyways |
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| 19:34.14 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 19:34.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 19:34.16 | yigal | if I want a newer version of a package is using the source package's control file a reasonable way to attempt to build the newer version? |
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| 19:34.46 | manu_hack | hi, when I run aplay -l I have card 1: Speakerphone, but then if I run aplay --device=Speakerphone foobar.wav, it just gave error, what's wrong? |
| 19:34.50 | Eulex | yigal, newer than there is anywhere in debian, you mean? |
| 19:35.21 | Eulex | yigal, using the build files from previous versions might work, might also not work. but it's a reasonable attempt. |
| 19:35.33 | Karti | Eulex: Cheers |
| 19:35.39 | yigal | Eulex: so this is a reasonable 1st approach kind of strategy |
| 19:36.05 | abrotman | manu_hack: the error might behelpful |
| 19:36.21 | manu_hack | ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM Speakerphone |
| 19:36.43 | yigal | Eulex: yes newer than any package in experimental, sid, lenny etc. |
| 19:36.44 | manu_hack | so probably is about the naming of the devices |
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| 19:37.34 | rocketmagnet | hi folks |
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| 19:38.07 | rocketmagnet | does someone know if there is a channel for thunderbird ? everytime i send a mail to one of my mailing lists he tries to send it to the user, not the list |
| 19:38.22 | rocketmagnet | haven't found an option for this |
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| 19:39.46 | Eulex | rocketmagnet, check the reply-to: field in the message you're replying, check so thunderbird obeys it. if the reply-to: field is the user's mailing address, you could ask the ml admin to reconfigure it so it has a reply-to that is the mailing list |
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| 19:40.46 | liable | rocketmagnet: in reply to a mail? |
| 19:40.53 | liable | hit reply to all |
| 19:41.07 | spoown | is there a way to search a not-known package with apt-get ? like yum list package or gentoo-like : emerge -s |
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| 19:41.24 | yigal | Is the only way to install the latest Nvidia driver through there sh script? |
| 19:41.31 | yigal | s/there/their |
| 19:41.33 | liable | spoown: what do you mean? |
| 19:41.34 | Eulex | spoown, 'not-known'? |
| 19:41.37 | brick__ | how can i install thunderbird 2 on lenny ? icant seem to find the v2. only 1.5 |
| 19:42.11 | spoown | Eulex, by specifing only some words ? or the beginning name of the package when you don't remenber the exact name |
| 19:42.14 | abrotman | !info icedove lenny |
| 19:42.18 | yigal | spoown: you can do a description search with aptitude: aptitude ~d"package of interest" |
| 19:42.19 | dpkg | icedove: (free/unbranded thunderbird mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.5.0.10.dfsg1-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 10619 kB, Installed size: 31132 kB |
| 19:42.28 | Eulex | !tell spoown about search |
| 19:42.34 | brick__ | i tried adding a deb-src for sid, tp sources.list but when i do apt-cache showpkg thunderbird, only v 1.5 comes |
| 19:42.42 | Eulex | spoown, apt-cache search takes a regexp, that ought to be enough for you. |
| 19:43.02 | abrotman | brick__: it won't show one that has sources ... |
| 19:43.07 | abrotman | brick__: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:43.28 | brick__ | abrotman, so i have to do apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; first? |
| 19:43.36 | brick__ | and then v2 will show up ? |
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| 19:43.39 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.40 | Shifty | hey there |
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| 19:43.46 | Eulex | spoown, apt-cache search searches description and package name by default. to make it only search the package names, try --names-only. |
| 19:43.59 | abrotman | brick__: should create a package for you |
| 19:44.05 | abrotman | !why is icedove not in testing |
| 19:44.05 | dpkg | icedove is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=icedove |
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| 19:44.24 | Shifty | what could be the problem if i try to access to my server (localhost/tflux/) and only get a download dialog for a empty index.php? |
| 19:44.43 | yigal | why does someone want to use icedove? |
| 19:45.01 | beered | I'm researching on time password authentication. FreeRadius looks like a reasonably robust solution. Anybody knows if password authentication can be somehow integrated with Macintosh servers, Apache webserver, secondary radius servers (Debian) etc? |
| 19:45.02 | brick__ | yigal, why not? |
| 19:45.18 | spoown | Eulex, really perfect !! thanks !! as good as "yum list" or "emerge -s" I gues :) |
| 19:45.27 | yigal | brick__: not good enough reason for me, but I imagine for others it's a fine one |
| 19:45.33 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 19:45.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 19:45.33 | Shifty | i get this on every .php file :( |
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| 19:45.46 | stew | Shifty: a2enmod php5 |
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| 19:46.16 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 19:46.16 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 19:46.17 | brick__ | yigal, what would you suggest instead off thunderbird then? i need a simple email client for imap use. no calendar and stuff.. |
| 19:46.30 | yigal | brick__: mutt? |
| 19:46.43 | brick__ | isnt that a console mail ? |
| 19:46.48 | Shifty | ok stew but whats a2enmod? |
| 19:46.53 | yigal | brick__: yes, what about gtk-claws? |
| 19:46.58 | stew | Shifty: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 19:47.03 | yigal | brick__: that one is super fast |
| 19:47.06 | brick__ | never tried or heard off it.. |
| 19:47.19 | Shifty | apache2 |
| 19:47.23 | stew | Shifty: man a2enmod |
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| 19:47.47 | brick__ | im installing thunderbird now, and install gtk-claws after that and try it as well |
| 19:47.55 | yigal | brick__: the actual package is sylpheed-claws-gtk2 |
| 19:48.07 | yigal | brick__: I am very impressed by claws' speed |
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| 19:48.20 | yigal | brick__: although I use Evolution for integration purposes |
| 19:48.49 | Shifty | stew: Module php5 installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable. |
| 19:49.02 | stew | Shifty: i suggest you run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable |
| 19:49.13 | brick__ | /bin/sh: line 0: cd: build-tree/mozilla: No such file or directory |
| 19:49.13 | brick__ | test -x debian/rules |
| 19:49.13 | brick__ | test "`id -u`" = 0 |
| 19:49.13 | brick__ | make: *** [testroot] Error 1 |
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| 19:49.27 | Shifty | stew: did it ... no change :( |
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| 19:49.39 | yigal | brick__: check out claws man |
| 19:49.46 | stew | Shifty: had you messed around with /etc/apache2/apache2.conf or /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? |
| 19:49.48 | brick__ | sorry.. wrong window came up.. was about to paste on pastebin.. |
| 19:49.54 | Shifty | no |
| 19:50.01 | brick__ | yigal, ok.. |
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| 19:50.43 | yigal | brick__: sorry I am so persistent its just that I have been really satisfied with that app. |
| 19:51.01 | brick__ | no. im glad somebody actually has a meaning.. :P |
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| 19:51.34 | brick__ | the install off thunderbird failed, and im way to tired to figure it out now, so claws it is:P |
| 19:52.00 | yigal | brick__: tell me what you think |
| 19:52.12 | abrotman | and there's always balsa! :) |
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| 19:52.22 | brick__ | hmm. i get no installation candidate for sylpheed-claws-gtk2 |
| 19:52.26 | Shifty | thx stew ... and g2g... cya all |
| 19:52.56 | brick__ | isnt claws in testing/lenny repos ? |
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| 19:53.16 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/sylpheed-claws-gtk2 |
| 19:53.16 | yigal | brick__: what about "aptitude search claws | grep gtk" |
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| 19:53.55 | brick__ | returns nothing. just a new console line |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | see the url |
| 19:54.07 | yigal | brick__: I think you need to update your repos. |
| 19:54.09 | brick__ | on my way. |
| 19:54.33 | stew | i think he's running testing |
| 19:54.44 | yigal | ah, so install the etch version |
| 19:55.59 | yigal | does anyone use a nvidia card on a sid box and if so how do you install the driver? |
| 19:56.00 | brick__ | hmm... i only have lenny repos with contrib main non-free. and a google repo.. abrotman, does the url mean that claws are only in sid and etch ? |
| 19:56.12 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:56.22 | Eulex | !nvidia oneliner |
| 19:56.22 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 19:56.38 | abrotman | brick__: there's balsa also .. and evolution |
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| 19:56.45 | abrotman | !info balsa lenny |
| 19:56.46 | yigal | Eulex: in general nvidia kernel is not available for a sid kernel though |
| 19:56.46 | dpkg | balsa: (An e-mail client for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.3.20-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2492 kB, Installed size: 6928 kB |
| 19:57.07 | yigal | brick__: balsa is not bad at all |
| 19:57.10 | Eulex | yigal, then /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch on how to build it. |
| 19:57.32 | brick__ | abrotman, im running xfce. so if installing a gnome mail client means installing alot off gnome stuff then ill pass and backport it from sid |
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| 19:57.54 | abrotman | brick__: IIRC .. balsa isn't truly a gnome app .. you'd have to try to install it and see |
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| 19:59.01 | yigal | Eulex: thanks! I don't get the latest and greatest nvidia source that way, but at least I can multple kernels with nvidia driver working unlike the sh script provided by nvidia |
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| 19:59.27 | alex^^^^^ | anyone know how i would configure grub to load a kernel of my choice, and if the kernel didnt boot after 2mins, revert back to my default? |
| 19:59.28 | Eulex | yigal, only etch with a 2.6.18 driver has the luxury of having a pre-built kernel module. |
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| 20:00.06 | Eulex | alex^^^^^, I don't think grub has control over that. |
| 20:00.10 | yigal | Eulex: not a problem building module its just that I have had problems building the nvidia module in the past |
| 20:00.30 | alex^^^^^ | Eulex: lilo can do it :) |
| 20:00.39 | brick__ | abrotman, ok.. im trying to backport claws first.. but what torrents client would you recommend. i used azureus in windows and ubuntu, but it shuts down by it self from time to time and cnhanging java versions havent helped.. |
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| 20:00.50 | yigal | alex^^^^^: I believe you can specify the order in grub |
| 20:01.07 | Eulex | alex^^^^^, if the kernel boots but fails half-way? I doubt it. |
| 20:01.31 | yigal | alex^^^^^: true not 1/2 way |
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| 20:01.59 | liable | grub does have a panic option |
| 20:02.18 | alex^^^^^ | yes but itll probably wont be a panic option |
| 20:02.24 | alex^^^^^ | itll just hang on something stupid |
| 20:02.25 | brick__ | btw after doing apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename;. i must do apt-get install packagename. right ? |
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| 20:02.31 | el_critter | hi |
| 20:02.49 | yigal | alex^^^^^: ^c in some cases to kill the stupid |
| 20:03.04 | alex^^^^^ | cant |
| 20:03.07 | alex^^^^^ | not on the server |
| 20:03.09 | Eulex | alex^^^^^, I'd advice to _not_ upgrade the kernel on a server that you do not have physical access to, if you do not have very special reasons. |
| 20:03.14 | alex^^^^^ | server is in another country |
| 20:03.16 | el_critter | Hi, on debian how can I run a command after loading a module on startup? |
| 20:03.23 | alex^^^^^ | Eulex: builing VPS kernels |
| 20:03.26 | alex^^^^^ | =/ |
| 20:03.28 | alex^^^^^ | have to do it |
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| 20:04.00 | Eulex | alex^^^^^, should've thought of that before sending it. |
| 20:04.04 | yigal | alex^^^^^: as long as grub is working you can just edit menu.lst if the kernel build fails |
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| 20:04.15 | Eulex | alex^^^^^, or let on-site personell do it. |
| 20:04.38 | yigal | alex^^^^^: rebooting what a *()$#@ |
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| 20:04.57 | drwahl | i am attempting to install drivers for ipw3945, but i am not seeming to have any luck. is there any "debian way" to install support for ipw3945, or a decent walkthrough? |
| 20:05.05 | themill | !tell el_critter about rc.local |
| 20:05.20 | themill | !tell drwahl about ipw3945 |
| 20:06.33 | themill | drwahl: that's the debian way... what have you tried and what is not working? |
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| 20:07.39 | drwahl | giving it a shot now... one sec |
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| 20:09.02 | alex^^^^^ | hmmmm |
| 20:09.16 | brick__ | abrotman, after doing apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; when i try to apt-get install sylpheed-claws-gtk2 i still get not candidte |
| 20:09.23 | alex^^^^^ | i cant seem to find any guides helping to configure grbu to auto reboot on kernel panic -> and/or lockup... |
| 20:10.08 | drwahl | themill: i installed the packages according to how dpkg says, but when it tries to run ipw3945d, it comes back saying: Not starting ipw3595 regulatory dameon, driver not loaded. |
| 20:10.51 | themill | drwahl: is there a firmware error too? |
| 20:11.17 | drwahl | no, the ipw3945d is the only thing that output an error |
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| 20:11.34 | themill | drwahl: what do you have for modinfo ipw3945 |
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| 20:12.11 | liable | alex^^^^^: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/05-2004/9672.html ?? |
| 20:12.11 | hark | drwahl: modprobe ipw3945 |
| 20:12.30 | hark | brick__: you install the debs, apt-get won't find it |
| 20:12.34 | drwahl | themill: one sec... copying output |
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| 20:12.45 | hark | liable: you're back! |
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| 20:12.56 | drwahl | themill: there is a lot of info from that, what specific info do we need? |
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| 20:13.11 | liable | hark: heh, yeah ;) |
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| 20:13.16 | themill | drwahl: well... that it knows about the module is enough |
| 20:13.19 | trombo | smbclient -L 192.168.180.1 gives " pdf Printer pdf", but how do I you this remote cups printer from within Linux? |
| 20:13.21 | brick__ | hark, so how do i actually install that package? dpkg sylpheed-claws-gtk2 ? |
| 20:13.37 | drwahl | themill: i figured that was it ;) |
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| 20:14.04 | runev | Anyone know debian boots up the installation, but after i've selected language and keymaps, it asks me to mount the cdrom, which has always been in the drive (using a sata cdrom drive) - anyone know how? |
| 20:14.13 | sohmestra | how can I get the content type of an email attachment, in a router? I've tried extract{1}{;}{$h_Content-Type:}, but $h_Content-Type never seems to have anything in it. |
| 20:14.24 | sohmestra | <-- in exim4 |
| 20:14.32 | liable | runev: try booting with acpi off with the installer |
| 20:14.47 | drwahl | themill: it seems that its just the ipw3945d that doesnt seem to want to work. from how i understand it, the module is loaded (and to my knowledge, that means the driver is working) but i dont seem to have any way to interface the card |
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| 20:14.58 | themill | drwahl: are you trying to start the daemon or are you running modprobe ipw3945 |
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| 20:16.10 | drwahl | themill: when i run modprobe ipw3945, i do not get any output (meaning it worked i assume?). when i try to run ipw3945d, it gives the error previously stated |
| 20:16.18 | kisielk | does anyone know which package sets up /etc/alternatives/cc ? |
| 20:16.24 | hark | drwahl: and what does dmesg say? |
| 20:16.28 | liable | drwahl: paste your dmesg to a pastebot |
| 20:16.38 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: anything that installs an alternative to cc will. |
| 20:16.42 | themill | drwahl: if you're using the debian package, then you don't need to run the daemon separately |
| 20:16.56 | Eulex | drwahl, tried iwconfig? |
| 20:17.00 | themill | drwahl: modprobe is rigged to start and stop the daemon |
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| 20:17.09 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: generally, it's gcc; but you probably should just aptitude install build-essential; if you're asking about that. |
| 20:17.21 | hark | brick__: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 20:17.47 | drwahl | hark, liable, themill: i will past dmesg into pastebot now... |
| 20:17.58 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: okay, well, I guess the issue is that I don't have that link |
| 20:18.04 | brick__ | hmm im getting no such file or directory :( |
| 20:18.06 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: and I installed build-essential |
| 20:18.13 | drwahl | Eulex: iwconfig gives: No wireless extensions |
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| 20:18.28 | Eulex | drwahl, for that device? |
| 20:18.40 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: I have /etc/alternatives/c++ , but no /cc |
| 20:18.54 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: do you have /usr/bin/cc? |
| 20:19.03 | drwahl | Eulex: i dont understand the question... |
| 20:19.16 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: no, not that one either |
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| 20:19.28 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: do you have gcc installed? |
| 20:19.32 | Eulex | drwahl, for the wireless networking device and not your wired one? |
| 20:19.36 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 20:19.40 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: then reinstall it |
| 20:19.45 | kisielk | I just did |
| 20:19.57 | kisielk | but I still did not get those links |
| 20:20.00 | kisielk | which is why I am puzzled |
| 20:20.03 | Eulex | drwahl, in any case, did you check out dmesg as you was told? |
| 20:20.09 | drwahl | Eulex: i just did iwconfig, but do i need to specify iwconfig eth2? |
| 20:20.15 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:20.16 | kisielk | I could have sworn that on previous installs on other machines they were there, though I don't have one to verify |
| 20:20.18 | drwahl | Eulex: still working on it :) |
| 20:20.20 | kisielk | etch |
| 20:20.21 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: what does dpkg -l gcc; output? |
| 20:20.32 | kisielk | 4.1.1-15 |
| 20:20.45 | Eulex | drwahl, iwconfig displays all available devices by default, afaik. |
| 20:20.45 | dondelelcaro | !+info gcc etch |
| 20:20.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 20:20.49 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 20:21.12 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: aptitude reinstall gcc; will rerun the postinst which will create the cc alternative |
| 20:21.31 | gpm | apt-get doesn't run it? |
| 20:21.43 | themill | drwahl: sorry... got to pay attention to some other things for a while.... others will help ;) |
| 20:21.56 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: that's the thing, for some reason it doesn't, can you confirm that it's actually there? |
| 20:22.01 | kisielk | like, it should be? |
| 20:22.01 | drwahl | the dmesg can be found at http://paste.debian.net/39908 |
| 20:22.09 | drwahl | themill: thanks for the help :) |
| 20:22.28 | gpm | dpkg -L gcc |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching gcc |
| 20:22.34 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: grep bin/cc /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc.postinst |
| 20:22.46 | themill | drwahl: ipw3945.ucode load failed: Reason -2 |
| 20:22.49 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: is the postinst. That's what creates the alternative. |
| 20:22.55 | themill | drwahl: did you install the firmware package? |
| 20:22.57 | dondelelcaro | gpm: and no, that won't help. |
| 20:22.59 | abrotman | drwahl: looks like your firmware is messed up |
| 20:23.05 | gpm | :( |
| 20:23.13 | drwahl | yup, did just as /msg dpkg ipw3945 said to do |
| 20:23.15 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: hm, okay, looks like they don't make that link any more |
| 20:23.19 | dondelelcaro | gpm: because it's an alternative, it won't show up in the package list. |
| 20:23.21 | drwahl | can i redo it? :) |
| 20:23.27 | brick__ | hmm first i get that claws-mail is not installed. when i install it, i get that sylpheed-claws-gtk2 conflicts with claws-mail that i just installed.. ?!? |
| 20:23.33 | gpm | dondelelcaro: i see. |
| 20:23.35 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: actually.. |
| 20:23.39 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: that link is made; if you don't have it, then you're not using the debian gcc package, or you're not actually reinstalling it. |
| 20:23.46 | drwahl | will just apt-get remove (ipw related pacakges), then apt-get install (ipw related packages) work? |
| 20:23.57 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: I just installed off of the netinst CD |
| 20:24.09 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: and I see the alternative there in the script now |
| 20:24.14 | kisielk | it's just not being created for some reason |
| 20:24.26 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: run the update-alternatives command manually then to see what it's doing |
| 20:24.35 | hark | drwahl: no, did you try compiling it yourself or something? |
| 20:24.44 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: you can read it right out of the postinst if you want |
| 20:24.49 | drwahl | hark: nope, just used apt-get |
| 20:25.19 | hark | drwahl: dpkg -l firmware-ipw3945 |
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| 20:26.06 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: hm okay, well, I ran it manually, and nothing seems to happen |
| 20:26.41 | themill | drwahl: are you sure you've got that chipset? (what does lspci show) |
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| 20:26.52 | drwahl | themill: yes, i double checked that first |
| 20:26.54 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: if nothing happend when you ran it manually, then run update-alternatives --remove-all cc; then rerun the update-alternatives --install command |
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| 20:27.08 | drwahl | hark: what info do we need from that? it pasted it as being there... |
| 20:27.26 | hark | drwahl: modprobe -r ipw3945 && modprobe ipw3945 . check iwconfig and dmesg|tail again |
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| 20:27.36 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: if nothing still happens, then you'll have to strace the install command to see where it's failing |
| 20:27.36 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: ah, there we go, that seems to have done the trick |
| 20:27.53 | Polarina | Hello. I keep getting this "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy" error while trying to mount my SATA hard-disk as a normal user, why? I'm in both 'plugdev' and 'disk' groups. |
| 20:27.55 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well done :-) |
| 20:28.00 | liable | reason 2 means the driver didnt find the firmware |
| 20:28.02 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: so if that fixed it, most likely something removed /usr/bin/cc, and since alternatives already existed, they don't get created. |
| 20:28.12 | drwahl | hark: that did it! |
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| 20:28.29 | liable | drwahl: you installed both the modules and firmware from debian packages? |
| 20:28.35 | dondelelcaro | (or it failed or was stopped in between creating the alternative and then creating the symlink pointing at the alternatives) |
| 20:28.36 | drwahl | liable: yup |
| 20:28.59 | streuner | dondelelcaro isnt that bad, he has a fine knowledgede about debian ;-) |
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| 20:29.29 | hark | the ipw3945 in dmesg might have been an older one (initially before he installed the firmware) |
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| 20:29.52 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: alright, where does the alternatives system keep track of which are installed? |
| 20:30.07 | kisielk | I guess I should audit it to make sure there's not other such problems |
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| 20:33.19 | drwahl | now the next question... i do not seem to have sound on my HP dv8000. it is an intel chipset and installing alsa-utils did not seem to make anything work |
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| 20:34.17 | drwahl | hark: could the ipw3945 in dmesg have been installed when i did the network install? err... wait... is it even a free pacakge? |
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| 20:35.27 | hark | drwahl: it's free, but in contrib |
| 20:35.29 | streuner | Who should unterstande this sentence? |
| 20:35.33 | Riotblade | Hey, anyone can recommend a small command line real-time bandwidth monitor? I just want to see the total data rate |
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| 20:35.48 | streuner | iptraf |
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| 20:36.56 | vrv | Hello :) When i'm booting debian with vga=0x... parameters, as i understand i booting it in graphical mode. Is any possibility exist to add logo during boot time? |
| 20:36.58 | gpm | adieux |
| 20:37.01 | corea | who is working on backports of xen-3.1 to etch for backports.org? what is the status of that effort? |
| 20:37.32 | Riotblade | thanks |
| 20:37.40 | streuner | np |
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| 20:38.39 | Alarm | hello, on which repository are the kernel upgrades "etch main" or "etch/updates main" |
| 20:39.07 | corea | you can actually look at the mirror to see what';s thjere |
| 20:39.32 | Alarm | well the one is: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ (etch main) and second http://security.debian.org for (etch/updates ) |
| 20:39.46 | Alarm | just wanted to know on which one there are the kernel upgrades |
| 20:39.50 | liable | corea: yes, maybe packages.debian.org is what you want? |
| 20:40.11 | corea | for backports? |
| 20:40.32 | liable | i believe they have a web interface |
| 20:41.09 | corea | liable: so you're saying xen-3.1 is already ported to etch and additionally is available now? |
| 20:41.40 | corea | 3.0.3-1 was the available version at the time etch released tho |
| 20:41.40 | liable | corea: how the hell did you get that statement from what i said? |
| 20:42.07 | corea | oh, did you mean for Alarm? |
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| 20:42.35 | Polarina | I keep getting this "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy" error while trying to mount my SATA hard-disk as a normal user, why? I'm in both 'plugdev' and 'disk' groups. |
| 20:42.59 | liable | corea: actually, yeah, my response was in response to your response to him.. ;) |
| 20:43.32 | corea | oh, ok, now I see why my inference was wrong :) |
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| 20:44.06 | Polarina | I should note that the disk is connected directly to the SATA port at the motherboard. The software might think of it as a static disk.. |
| 20:44.13 | corea | liable: having said that... happen to know how the xen 3.1 port to etch is going? :) |
| 20:44.45 | corea | actually hold that thought... brb |
| 20:44.54 | liable | corea: unfortunately not. virtualisiation is an area in whicj i know nothing about |
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| 20:46.07 | abrotman | liable: you live! |
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| 20:46.31 | liable | abrotman: and i am still farting! |
| 20:46.42 | abrotman | cute |
| 20:47.00 | liable | i wish girls thought so.. |
| 20:47.11 | dutchfish | how can i set the hard limit for a given user that he can perfork a given process? ulimit? how? can someone give me an example? |
| 20:47.47 | dutchfish | i meant prefork instead of perfork |
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| 20:48.51 | liable | byebye |
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| 20:50.09 | ivh | dammit, I installed the package "nis" for a quick test, purged it then, but my postfix still tries to look up names via nis, which means I get no mail. any tips? |
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| 20:52.00 | dutchfish | ivh, look at your /etc/postfix/main.cnf it prolly is changed and backup-ed |
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| 20:52.53 | ivh | dutchfish: that was my first guess. it's not the case |
| 20:53.17 | dutchfish | ivh, did you also purge NIS during un-install? |
| 20:53.50 | Rockj | Greetings debian users. I'am wondering about something, the mail the system sends out when a user is about to have a password that expires - where do I change its contents? |
| 20:54.14 | ivh | dutchfish: what do you mean by "also"? I purgedthe package nis, nothing else. |
| 20:54.33 | dutchfish | ivh, how? apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 20:54.42 | ivh | dutchfish: yes |
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| 20:55.09 | dutchfish | ivh, did you /etc/init.d/postfix reload already after un-installing nis? |
| 20:55.21 | ivh | dutchfish: and of course I restarted postfix once I realized the problem |
| 20:56.08 | dutchfish | ivh, your ocnifg file smust have be altered to nis wishes for authetication |
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| 20:56.37 | dutchfish | ivh, have a backup? |
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| 20:57.32 | jojoo_ | hei. i lost the ssh connection while i was doing apt-get dist-upgrade. i was in the middle of viewing diff's. what should i do now? kill apt and re-do it? |
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| 20:59.06 | linkslice | anyone in here using dkim with postfix? |
| 20:59.55 | ivh | dutchfish: I can't see any of the postfix files altered, I don't get this... |
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| 21:01.42 | dutchfish | ivh, is it a complex postfix setup i mean what authentication method? |
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| 21:02.23 | ivh | dutchfish: no, really simple, direct delivery to it and sending via smarthost |
| 21:02.38 | ivh | dutchfish: auth is only local users |
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| 21:02.53 | dutchfish | ivh, example: is your transport map still intact? |
| 21:03.05 | drwahl | i'm not really sure where to start with this one, but my audio is not currently working on my laptop (intel chipset soundcard). i install alsa-base and alsa-utlis, but i still have no sounds |
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| 21:03.09 | ivh | dutchfish: just did a reconfigure and look waht happens |
| 21:03.55 | dutchfish | ivh, what i would do: backup /etc/postfix dir and apt-get install --reinstall postfix and look at difs |
| 21:03.56 | brick__ | lol. when trying to install claws from etch repo, it wants me to remove half my system?! |
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| 21:04.29 | dutchfish | ivh, your system is save? not rookitted etc? |
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| 21:04.57 | mooper | How do you scan a subnet for devices? |
| 21:05.46 | ivh | dutchfish: what's the "transport map". quite sure it's safe, yes :) |
| 21:05.46 | dutchfish | ivh, transportmap is wich domains it will relay |
| 21:05.59 | x_link | Ska du inte med oss dit då? |
| 21:06.06 | Alarm | how can i make a full upgrade of my system except of the kernel ? |
| 21:06.14 | x_link | Jag vet helt ärligt inte om jag orkar sticka dit idag igen alltså. |
| 21:06.15 | jojoo_ | oke, is there a way to reconnect to a pts/XX ? |
| 21:06.23 | x_link | Opps, wrong window. |
| 21:06.26 | x_link | Sorry! |
| 21:06.37 | dutchfish | ivh, i would try apt-get install --reinstall (after backup of /etc/postfix) |
| 21:07.30 | dutchfish | ivh, to be absolutely sure your postfix install is clean, and work from there with the config files you have backup of |
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| 21:08.23 | Alarm | anyone ? :) |
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| 21:08.39 | dutchfish | ivh, i myself was trapped ones by a mallformed postfix install in the past |
| 21:08.43 | ivh | dutchfish: isn't dpkg remembering the config anyway? this has confused me several times, e.g. I remove the old config and dpkg realises it and does not install it again :-) |
| 21:09.20 | dutchfish | ivh, its your choice during upgrade when postfix is upgraded it runs dpkg-reconfigure on postfix |
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| 21:09.53 | dutchfish | ivh, but ... always backup your machine before ou start |
| 21:10.02 | ivh | well that's what I did anyway so it should not change a thing. |
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| 21:10.34 | ivh | I have a feeling that a reboot would solve this, but that's for sissis ;) |
| 21:10.52 | dutchfish | ivh, a reboot would not change i thing |
| 21:11.08 | dutchfish | ivh, at least not if its a basic postfix install |
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| 21:11.40 | dutchfish | ivh, did you look at the upgrad logs? |
| 21:12.03 | dutchfish | ivh, install logs* |
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| 21:13.00 | dutchfish | ivh, but i recommend a rootkit scan |
| 21:13.04 | brick__ | it seems that sylpheed-claws-gtk2 in sid repo is a broken package. it needs a claws version that isnt in the sid repo.a newer version) |
| 21:13.31 | abrotman | brick__: did i mention balsa ? :) |
| 21:15.05 | brick__ | abrotman, yeah.. but im still trying to make claws work.. hehe |
| 21:15.11 | abrotman | okay then |
| 21:15.56 | dutchfish | how can i set the hard limit for a given user that he can prefork a given process? ulimit? how? can someone give me an example? |
| 21:15.59 | brick__ | but how can i get hands on that claws-mail package that is needed by sylpheed but isnt in sid repos? |
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| 21:18.03 | drwahl | i'm not really sure where to start with this one, but my audio is not currently working on my laptop (intel chipset soundcard). i install alsa-base and alsa-utlis, but i still have no sounds |
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| 21:18.28 | brick__ | sylpheed-claws-gtk2 depends on claws-mail(>=3.0.2-1) and claws-mail(<3.0.2-1.1~) and its that 3.0.2-1.1~ that i cant find. |
| 21:18.35 | SlackRat | run alsaconf and check alsamixer? |
| 21:18.48 | drwahl | SlackRat: doing that now... |
| 21:19.42 | minerale | anyone else here using denyhosts? I love it, it's nice (well after someone guessed and messed up my server) but it keeps a python process always alive |
| 21:19.59 | minerale | denyhosts should run just fine based on a timer -- check every 5 minutes |
| 21:20.33 | dutchfish | minerale, iptables bfd? |
| 21:20.48 | drwahl | SlackRat: ok, i ran alasconf, it says that if found/loaded the soundcard/driver |
| 21:21.39 | drwahl | SlackRat: but it seems to still not be working. i ran alsamixer, and i see some sliders, but they are up all the way. i run xmms, configure it to use alsa (as opposed to OSS), and no sound still |
| 21:21.39 | SlackRat | check volume levels via alsamixer.....if its working then alsactl store, to keep your settings |
| 21:21.59 | SlackRat | kde desktop? |
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| 21:22.45 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 21:22.53 | drwahl | SlackRat: yes, kde desktop. the volumes are up all the way, but still no sound |
| 21:22.55 | ivh | dutchfish: well, I guess I'll hve to figure that out tomorrow. thanks anyway. have to go |
| 21:23.05 | dutchfish | ivh, gl |
| 21:23.11 | liable | drwahl: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
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| 21:23.42 | fas3r | it's possible to see the Bandwidth who are use on one interface ? |
| 21:23.49 | SlackRat | check in kcontrol, try allowing autodetect.....see if you get sound check making any noise on the sound system panel..... |
| 21:23.53 | fas3r | (ethernet interface ) |
| 21:23.54 | dutchfish | fas3r, iftop |
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| 21:25.37 | drwahl | liable: that does not make any noise |
| 21:26.09 | liable | drwahl: does the command complete without error? |
| 21:26.20 | SlackRat | 'test sound' button i think |
| 21:26.24 | liable | do you have to ^c it ? |
| 21:26.39 | drwahl | liable: no erros |
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| 21:27.05 | venger | how would i generate a ssl certificate (dovecot) that is shown to be owned by a dyndns domain name and also the internal hostname. the reason is get security warnings in thunderbird if I connect to internal hostname imap but certificate is showing ownership to the dyddns name and vice versa for external connections. hope that makes sense. |
| 21:27.19 | liable | drwahl: if that command doesnt baulk, and it sits there waiting to be terminated, then you need to check your speakers :) |
| 21:27.21 | drwahl | SlackRat: it says "Restart sound system" then it doesnt error, but still no sound |
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| 21:27.47 | drwahl | liable: interesting... the speakers are built into a laptop, and they were working just 5 minutes ago (dual boot with windows) |
| 21:27.53 | SlackRat | what are the levels in kmix? especially the pc speaker setting? |
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| 21:28.43 | drwahl | SlackRat: kmix has the volumes all the way up, but still no sound |
| 21:28.46 | SlackRat | and just to check i often reboot after initializing sound, that sometimes kicks it into gear |
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| 21:28.54 | dutchfish | drwahl, you are non-root? did you check if you are in the audio group? |
| 21:29.03 | liable | drwahl: did you run that as root ? |
| 21:29.07 | drwahl | dutchfish: checking now... |
| 21:29.08 | Atalanta | is there some non-gui text editor (like msdos's edit.com or notepad.exe or macosx's textedit) comparable to nano? |
| 21:29.12 | drwahl | liable: double checking... |
| 21:29.22 | SlackRat | pico |
| 21:29.26 | SlackRat | ee |
| 21:29.48 | liable | Atalanta: how about nano? |
| 21:30.07 | Atalanta | liable: im thinking maybe something with more familiar keystrokes than nano, thats why i asked |
| 21:30.22 | Atalanta | i mean, i can get by with nano but im wondering if there is a more familiar alternative |
| 21:30.27 | SlackRat | nano is pretty intuitive.....easier than vi |
| 21:30.30 | drwahl | liable: ran it as both root and user |
| 21:30.39 | drwahl | dutchfish: already in the audio group |
| 21:30.41 | liable | nano is about as basic as it gets |
| 21:30.58 | brick__ | abrotman, looks like balsa is something im going to like. atleast im gonna test it until claws gets it depencies fixed:P thx |
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| 21:31.07 | liable | drwahl: and it waits to be terminated? |
| 21:31.10 | corea | iable: ok thanks anyway |
| 21:31.23 | drwahl | liable: yup, and it doesnt error when we kill it |
| 21:31.28 | corea | who is working on backports of xen-3.1 to etch for backports.org? what is the status of that effort? |
| 21:31.30 | efaistos | is there a netinstall iso for lenny somewhere ? |
| 21:31.35 | drwahl | liable: (we being a friend and i) :) |
| 21:31.50 | SlackRat | ee, is supposed to be real easy, im assuming its ported from BSD |
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| 21:31.55 | dutchfish | corea, i believe its bastian blank, not sure |
| 21:32.07 | corea | waldi |
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| 21:32.38 | abrotman | brick__: you're welcome |
| 21:32.43 | corea | dutchfish: thanks |
| 21:32.58 | brick__ | but what torrent client would you recommend? exept azureus? |
| 21:33.04 | Alarm | upgrading my whole system , or doing a distupgrade and keep my kernel on the old version could cause problems ? |
| 21:33.23 | brick__ | it keeps on shuting down. no matter what java version it uses.. |
| 21:33.23 | liable | drwahl: interesting, do you have headphones handy you could plug in? |
| 21:33.29 | abrotman | Alarm: which kernel ? |
| 21:33.37 | Alarm | keep 2.6.22 |
| 21:33.39 | abrotman | brick__: depends .. transmission isn't horrible |
| 21:33.39 | Alarm | sorry |
| 21:33.42 | Alarm | 2.6.18 |
| 21:33.50 | abrotman | i probably wouldn't |
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| 21:33.57 | abrotman | you can try to place it on hold though |
| 21:34.05 | minerale | brick__: I would recommend rtorrent, it's ncurses based, runs fine under gnu screen and it has an incredibly small footprint |
| 21:34.08 | corea | alarm did you find what you were looking for |
| 21:34.27 | Alarm | corea , yeap. now i want to know how safe that is holding back my kernel upgrade :) |
| 21:34.33 | snacky | does anyone not recomment rtorrent? |
| 21:34.38 | dutchfish | how can i set the hard limit for a given user that he can prefork a given process? ulimit? how? can someone give me an example? |
| 21:35.21 | corea | well you have a pretty wide range of kernels that work over any given dist |
| 21:35.25 | abrotman | Alarm: you'll have to upgrade it eventually |
| 21:35.52 | drwahl | liable: i think so |
| 21:35.56 | minerale | dutchfish: there are good resources there for how to prevent fork attacks: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/129220/171/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb |
| 21:36.23 | drwahl | liable: trying the headphones now... |
| 21:36.24 | dutchfish | minerale, thx, thats exactly what i am looking for! |
| 21:36.28 | Alarm | may i ask why ? will that be necessary for some other packages ? |
| 21:36.53 | helo | is it ok to have two network cards, one which gets its dhcp address from 192.168.1.1, and the other that _is_ 192.168.1.1 for a different network? |
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| 21:37.05 | corea | what kernel and what dist are you running at the moment |
| 21:37.06 | drwahl | liable: it doesnt seem to be coming out of the headphone either |
| 21:37.09 | brick__ | minerale, ok. thx. ill try |
| 21:37.13 | liable | drwahl: ok |
| 21:37.16 | helo | is there a way to describe "not my 192.168.1.1" |
| 21:37.25 | liable | helo: erm, no |
| 21:37.27 | abrotman | in waht ? |
| 21:37.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:37.35 | corea | you just did! |
| 21:37.51 | helo | well bah humbug |
| 21:37.55 | corea | but you tell the dhcp server what ips it can serve |
| 21:38.25 | liable | helo: why on earth would you have a box connected to two different same subnets |
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| 21:38.47 | fas3r | dutchfish: ok thank but i have test it before come here but it's not that i want |
| 21:38.52 | corea | different same... |
| 21:38.57 | helo | different network setup here than normal... |
| 21:38.58 | corea | what do you mean |
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| 21:39.04 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 21:39.24 | dutchfish | fas3r, specify your q please |
| 21:39.35 | liable | well, you explain his logic, and you will see my question makes as much sense |
| 21:39.47 | corea | the different same networks I connect to are from planet remulak ^W^W france |
| 21:40.33 | drwahl | i'm not sure what the issue is with the sound card. it seems to be loaded (invoke-rc.d alsa reload) without any issues. "cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp" does not error, nor does it output any sound |
| 21:40.53 | SlackRat | drwahl: you on a laptop? |
| 21:40.56 | helo | hahaha, no this box usually gets its net access through 192.168.11.0, i just chose the wrong subnet before i was going to connect to 2 nets |
| 21:41.01 | drwahl | SlackRat: ya |
| 21:41.16 | liable | drwahl: make sure artsd is not running |
| 21:41.23 | SlackRat | yeah , same problem here, no sound after installing etch on a lappy |
| 21:41.28 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 21:41.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 21:41.30 | drwahl | NOT running...? lemme double check... |
| 21:41.46 | fas3r | dutchfish: yes sorry if you prefer i just want to return value in percent for example if i use interfaces in 1000Mbits/s and 40% of bandwidth is in use i just want to return value 60% .. i know it's not possible to see it with no calcul but i don't think it's posible to use iftop value for caculate it .. |
| 21:41.47 | abrotman | i'd guess the version of alsa you have doesn't support the sound card oyu have perhaps |
| 21:42.23 | drwahl | abrotman: that might be possible, but wouldnt it have errored earlier? like when it tried to reload? |
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| 21:42.43 | abrotman | NFC |
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| 21:42.49 | SlackRat | run artswrapper, what does that say? |
| 21:43.00 | corea | Not Foir Corea? |
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| 21:43.16 | liable | !bitchslap corea |
| 21:43.28 | ivh | dutchfish: I tried the reboot - that solved it :-) |
| 21:43.47 | ivh | dutchfish: almost like windows ;) |
| 21:44.28 | dutchfish | ivh, chears |
| 21:44.59 | drwahl | SlackRat: artswrapper |
| 21:44.59 | drwahl | >> running as realtime process now (priority 50) |
| 21:44.59 | drwahl | Creating link /root/.kde/socket-reyjeffe. |
| 21:45.01 | drwahl | can't create mcop directory |
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| 21:45.17 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:45.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:45.21 | abrotman | corea: ? |
| 21:45.31 | drwahl | wasnt supposed to be more than 3 |
| 21:45.32 | drwahl | :) |
| 21:45.38 | abrotman | it was four :) |
| 21:45.46 | drwahl | ya, i didnt need the first one... |
| 21:46.14 | SlackRat | hmn.....give the dpkg checklist a run thru again, other than that i have no idea...... |
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| 21:46.34 | abrotman | drwahl: what's the Audio controller ? |
| 21:46.38 | drwahl | SlackRat: i will do that again... thanks |
| 21:46.44 | dutchfish | fas3r, maybe bwm? |
| 21:46.54 | SlackRat | no problem |
| 21:47.03 | drwahl | abrotman: its an intel chipset (HP dv8230us laptop) and i'm trying to use alsa |
| 21:47.19 | fas3r | dutchfish: yes i look it now ( bwbar ) |
| 21:47.21 | abrotman | lspci .. what's the actual line |
| 21:48.10 | drwahl | 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01) |
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| 21:48.37 | liable | ich7 has been supported for over a year |
| 21:49.04 | liable | i have it and it worked out of the box with a .15 kernel when i first installed this box |
| 21:49.31 | corea | abrotman: what, so you wanted herbie hancock instead? |
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| 21:49.35 | corea | :) |
| 21:49.42 | abrotman | corea: sing next time! |
| 21:49.54 | corea | oh man |
| 21:50.03 | corea | you'll be -sorry- you asked for that! |
| 21:50.06 | runev | During the installation process, i'm getting this error saying "No common CD-ROM drive was detected", while i'm already booting from a SATA cd-rom drive, and i have no drivers to load from a floppy. I've also tried setting acpi=off, but no luck. Any ideas? I'm sort of stuck. |
| 21:50.12 | liable | oh you bastard, you just made me have rocket start repeating in my brain! |
| 21:50.24 | abrotman | rocket man ? |
| 21:50.40 | Ronin | heh well theres my personal sound trackfor the night |
| 21:50.40 | liable | no, herby hancock rocket |
| 21:50.55 | Ronin | course it's stewies version |
| 21:51.13 | liable | takes me back to primary school |
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| 21:52.13 | corea | abrotman: hmm, now my pvt msg thing is dead too |
| 21:52.36 | corea | hmm? |
| 21:52.43 | abrotman | i am .. you're not |
| 21:52.46 | corea | yes that's true |
| 21:52.46 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:52.53 | drwahl | ok... 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' does not error until i hit Ctrl+C, at then it says "no room left on device" |
| 21:52.54 | abrotman | it's okay .. |
| 21:52.59 | corea | well me noit regd anyway |
| 21:53.29 | corea | bb... |
| 21:53.30 | hark | drwahl: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload and check with speaker-test -c2 -t wav |
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| 21:55.09 | drwahl | hark: no errors, but no output either |
| 21:56.22 | hark | drwahl: are you sure the mixer levels are not mute? |
| 21:56.40 | drwahl | hark: lemme double check, but i'm pretty sure |
| 21:56.55 | Polarina | runev: As far as I know, Debian CDs doesn't support SATA CD-ROMs. |
| 21:57.09 | Polarina | runev: But I could be wrong. |
| 21:57.29 | drwahl | hark: rofl... wow |
| 21:57.35 | drwahl | hark: i feel dumb |
| 21:57.43 | drwahl | hark: they were simply muted the whole time :) |
| 21:57.45 | liable | Polarina: they should, depends entirely on the controller, but even the etch one should support a couple of em |
| 21:57.51 | SlackRat | arg |
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| 21:58.03 | dutchfish | runev, flip a switch in the bios for sata (legacy support) did it for me ones ... |
| 21:58.05 | drwahl | hark: nice troubleshooting. i guess in this case it wasnt the device, but the user that needed fixing :) |
| 21:58.21 | SlackRat | !bitchslap drwahl |
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| 21:59.16 | hark | drwahl: great :) |
| 22:00.34 | hark | !congratulate drwahl |
| 22:00.34 | dpkg | Huzzah drwahl, you did it! |
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| 22:02.10 | drwahl | i will be back with more questions at a later time. thanks all! :) |
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| 22:02.52 | deriaN | Can anybody name me a good tool to measure temperatures? |
| 22:03.07 | dondelelcaro | deriaN: a thermometer or a thermocouple |
| 22:03.15 | Atalanta | how do yo use the mouse in debian without any gui? |
| 22:03.21 | deriaN | Thermometer |
| 22:03.28 | Atalanta | i remember there was some way in gentoo but i dnt rememebr what it was called |
| 22:03.28 | deriaN | What's a Thermocouple? |
| 22:03.37 | Atalanta | where you can copy text with the mouse |
| 22:03.42 | dondelelcaro | Atalanta: gpm |
| 22:03.43 | hark | Atalanta: gpm |
| 22:03.44 | Atalanta | thanks |
| 22:03.46 | Atalanta | apg-get? |
| 22:03.50 | dondelelcaro | Atalanta: as always |
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| 22:04.16 | Atalanta | thanks guys |
| 22:04.18 | deriaN | dondelelcaro Could you name a good thermometer ^_^? |
| 22:04.27 | dondelelcaro | deriaN: depends on what you want to measure |
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| 22:04.55 | dondelelcaro | a good thermometer for measuring things from 0-100C isn't going to be good for measuring things at 0.5K or 4000C |
| 22:04.55 | deriaN | CPU / harddisk temperature |
| 22:05.15 | deriaN | 0-100C |
| 22:05.35 | dondelelcaro | deriaN: oh, your system probably has one built in; just use lmsensors and smartmon |
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| 22:05.55 | Polarina | I would get one with 20°C to 100°C if it comes with more precision. |
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| 22:06.41 | deriaN | Could'nt find either of the "smartmon" - "lmsensors" packages dondelelcaro |
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| 22:07.02 | Polarina | All who have heard of Google, raise your hand! |
| 22:07.06 | dondelelcaro | deriaN: smartmon is in the smartmontools package, and its lm-sensors |
| 22:07.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell deriaN -about search |
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| 22:09.51 | solemnwarning | For some reason my dovecot and imap-login processes are taking up loads of CPU time and slowing the machine down |
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| 22:10.02 | solemnwarning | There's no open IMAP connections and restarting has no effect |
| 22:10.05 | solemnwarning | What could be wrong? |
| 22:10.18 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: strace them |
| 22:10.23 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: or look at the logs |
| 22:10.27 | solemnwarning | Logs are no help |
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| 22:11.20 | Polarina | :P |
| 22:11.24 | solemnwarning | Ok |
| 22:11.44 | solemnwarning | They seem to be making tons of calls to poll() and gettimeofday() in surges |
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| 22:12.09 | Polarina | Now we know what is slowing the machine down. But why? |
| 22:12.10 | solemnwarning | netstat -alt doesn't show any IMAP connections |
| 22:12.38 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: that's normal; they're listening for an event on a FD. |
| 22:13.00 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: how much cpu time are we talking about here? how do you know they're taking an inordinate amount? |
| 22:13.04 | solemnwarning | dondelelcaro: 3 processes spamming poll() and gettimeofday() in surges is not normal |
| 22:13.18 | solemnwarning | dondelelcaro: Top shows them as taking up a high CPU % |
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| 22:13.36 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: they should be calling poll relatively frequently, actually |
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| 22:13.47 | solemnwarning | Enough to make my irssi session laggy? |
| 22:14.01 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: how much cpu are they using? what happens when you stop them? |
| 22:14.04 | Polarina | solemnwarning: Find their process ID with 'ps -ef' and then do a 'kill -KILL <ID> <2nd ID> <etc>' and see if that helps. |
| 22:14.21 | valdyn | why poll? there's inotif? |
| 22:14.23 | valdyn | why poll? there's inotify? |
| 22:14.35 | solemnwarning | odd |
| 22:14.45 | solemnwarning | They just stopped spamming poll()/gettimeofday() |
| 22:14.45 | valdyn | or am I misunderstanding this? |
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| 22:14.50 | j-b | hello |
| 22:14.56 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: inotify isn't particularly portable |
| 22:15.09 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: true, but some imap servers support it anyway |
| 22:15.28 | j-b | I got a "update your shutdown utility" on halt, with a link to the ATA page. I am running debian/sid. Any idea what I have to do ? |
| 22:15.38 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: oh, it could be, but the difference between the two shouldn't be really noticeable |
| 22:16.28 | petemc | what version of dovecot? |
| 22:16.35 | solemnwarning | There's nothing from dovecot in the logs except shutdown/start |
| 22:16.48 | solemnwarning | 1.0rc15 |
| 22:17.31 | dondelelcaro | well, they have to call poll repeatedly if they want to handle requests of the other children or logins, and they should be doing it about once a second |
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| 22:17.52 | solemnwarning | dondelelcaro: It was much faster then that |
| 22:18.01 | solemnwarning | Once a second wouldn't slow a machine down |
| 22:18.19 | valdyn | solemnwarning: did you have a time 'jump' ? |
| 22:18.20 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, i gues you are aware if this one: https://ucsb.edu/pipermail/security-linux/2007-August/003387.html |
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| 22:18.40 | solemnwarning | valdyn: No idea |
| 22:18.46 | solemnwarning | Xen clocks are unstable |
| 22:18.52 | solemnwarning | But I sync hourly |
| 22:19.05 | valdyn | solemnwarning: sync how? |
| 22:19.17 | solemnwarning | ntpdate |
| 22:19.23 | valdyn | solemnwarning: use ntpd |
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| 22:19.27 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: it'd have to be doing it thousands or millions of times a second to really make much of a difference, and even then it couldn't run it faster than poll would return in any event. |
| 22:19.29 | solemnwarning | But this started a while after the sync |
| 22:19.33 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ntpdate is dangerous for other things too |
| 22:19.49 | solemnwarning | ntpdate is dangerous? o_O |
| 22:19.57 | valdyn | sure |
| 22:20.00 | dondelelcaro | not really |
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| 22:20.21 | dondelelcaro | there are things that are badly implemented which can't handle time jumps |
| 22:20.45 | solemnwarning | How would ntpd be any differant? |
| 22:20.56 | acabrera_ | Hopefully someone can help me with this: I have an old computer that I want to use as a development server but the USB ports are broken. I already have debian 4.0 on there and was wonder if there was a way through SSH (which I have running) to return debian to a base install (remove any packages with the exception of ssh) that didn't come with the base install |
| 22:21.01 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: it slews the time wherever possible |
| 22:21.30 | solemnwarning | So I should run ntpd instead of an hourly ntpdate from cron? |
| 22:21.47 | valdyn | certainly |
| 22:21.58 | acabrera_ | or is there anyway to do a netinstall over ssh |
| 22:22.12 | valdyn | !ssh install |
| 22:22.12 | dpkg | ssh install is, like, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 22:22.13 | solemnwarning | I'm guessing ntpd is the ntp package? |
| 22:22.19 | dondelelcaro | acabrera_: just mark everything that you don't know about as automatically installed in aptitude |
| 22:22.26 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 22:22.26 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 22:22.27 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 22:22.27 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 22:22.27 | acabrera_ | dpkg - thanks |
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| 22:28.16 | sputn1ck | hi there |
| 22:28.51 | sputn1ck | when whe put something in /proc like : "echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq" is this setting stay alive after reboot or not ? |
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| 22:29.24 | valdyn | sputn1ck: no |
| 22:29.37 | valdyn | sputn1ck: you should edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:29.44 | sputn1ck | ok thanks |
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| 22:30.22 | valdyn | sputn1ck: and run 'sysctl -p' to set the values according to /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 22:30.37 | valdyn | sputn1ck: ( but that happens automagicaly in the bootprocess too |
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| 22:33.33 | tt | I've got a debian server and I'm exploring the possibility to lower power consumtion a little. I'm thinking of removing the graphic card cause the server is administrated by ssh. You guys think this is possible? (Can't test right now) |
| 22:33.47 | snacky | depends on the motherboard |
| 22:33.48 | sputn1ck | tt: try powertop |
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| 22:34.00 | tt | sputn1ck: Already doing that. |
| 22:34.36 | valdyn | tt: debian does not needa gfx card, your bios does though, probably by default, there should be a switch |
| 22:34.40 | tt | snacky: I'll have to try tomorrow then... |
| 22:34.54 | acabrera_ | Ok, so I can't try that method because you still need the keyboard to work. I booted into the debian install I already had, ssh'ed in, popped in the install disc and mounted it to /mnt/cdrom. Now I can see the contents of the disc. Can I install from this point over ssh? |
| 22:35.00 | tt | valdyn: I'll check that out. A hardware or software switch? |
| 22:35.06 | valdyn | tt: bios |
| 22:35.09 | valdyn | tt: software |
| 22:35.18 | tt | valdyn: okay, thanks. |
| 22:35.47 | valdyn | tt: is that a gfx card with an extra power connector? |
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| 22:36.09 | tt | valdyn: Nope, a regular passive old Geforce card. |
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| 22:39.09 | solemnwarning | Should I configure a group of machines to all use the default NTP server pool or set one up as a server for the rest? |
| 22:39.41 | Polarina | Omg! 3D games in Debian run at higher performance than on my Cow (Gentoo). o.O |
| 22:39.46 | abrotman | solemnwarning: depends how many |
| 22:39.50 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: unless you've got tons of machines, just use the default |
| 22:40.06 | solemnwarning | 6 |
| 22:40.12 | dondelelcaro | (and if you've got tons of machines, you should have multiple ntp servers, ideally with physical reference clocks) |
| 22:40.23 | abrotman | use the pool |
| 22:40.26 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 22:43.53 | acabrera_ | how about anyone with an idea how to install debian over ssh from an iso image? |
| 22:45.48 | dondelelcaro | acabrera_: you use the expert mode and install the ssh package; it's documented in the installation instructions. |
| 22:45.58 | dondelelcaro | acabrera_: but if you've already got Debian installed, there's no point in bothering. |
| 22:46.39 | acabrera_ | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to reinstall debian over ssh. The USB port doesn't work, so I can't locally attach a keyboard |
| 22:47.25 | acabrera_ | ha, found it, I think |
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| 22:50.25 | acabrera_ | nope |
| 22:50.31 | orlandoj | what is the name of the package that i need to install to see the C library docs ? |
| 22:50.43 | orlandoj | man fopen, for example |
| 22:51.04 | solemnwarning | glibc-doc? |
| 22:51.25 | abrotman | orlandoj: manpages-dev |
| 22:51.48 | abrotman | acabrera_: you could use debootstrap from a currently running system |
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| 22:52.03 | orlandoj | thanks solemnwarning thanks abrotman |
| 22:52.23 | acabrera_ | abrotman: will that allow me to stay on ssh? |
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| 22:52.35 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 22:52.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 22:53.01 | acabrera_ | dpkg: thanks, looking now |
| 22:53.01 | dpkg | no worries, acabrera_ |
| 22:53.14 | valdyn | acabrera_: why don't you just use a serial console btw? no cable? |
| 22:53.27 | acabrera_ | valdyn: yup |
| 22:53.34 | Polarina | I wish it would be possible to feed some server the source code of some app and then few days later, go and pick up the binary.. |
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| 22:54.04 | valdyn | Polarina: you would wait days just to get something compiled? |
| 22:54.18 | abrotman | like the buildd ? |
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| 22:54.37 | Polarina | I don't have enough processing power. And I want to play games instead of watching some laggy terminal output. |
| 22:54.59 | valdyn | Polarina: you dont have to use gentoo |
| 22:55.11 | jahshua | how many gb is 3803258 kb ? |
| 22:55.16 | Polarina | valdyn: Just want to get a more recent version of Wine, |
| 22:55.22 | Polarina | s/,/./ |
| 22:55.32 | valdyn | Polarina: so? |
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| 22:55.43 | valdyn | Polarina: are the debs on winehq.com not recent enough? |
| 22:56.05 | Polarina | 0.9.44 is way too old. The apps I use don't work with that version. |
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| 22:56.29 | valdyn | Polarina: look again |
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| 22:56.51 | valdyn | Polarina: mind, you have to remove debians wine before using winehq debs |
| 22:56.58 | abrotman | jahshua: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=convert+3803258+kb+to+GB&btnG=Google+Search |
| 22:57.10 | jahshua | thanks |
| 22:57.14 | Polarina | valdyn: WineHQ debs are 0.9.46, I need 0.9.47. |
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| 22:58.33 | abrotman | jahshua: wait .. that's wrong |
| 22:58.44 | abrotman | jahshua: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=convert+3803258+KB+to+GB&btnG=Search |
| 22:58.45 | abrotman | better |
| 22:58.49 | jahshua | i mean like size |
| 22:58.58 | jahshua | like, i have a 80gb hd |
| 22:59.05 | abrotman | yeah .. about 3.6GB |
| 22:59.12 | jahshua | okay cool |
| 22:59.41 | abrotman | jahshua: 3803258/(1024^2) |
| 22:59.56 | jahshua | ahh |
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| 23:03.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Has today's new ALSA release made it into any Debian repos yet? |
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| 23:04.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | If kill -9 does not work how do I get rid of a prossess? I have about 20-40 "20655 ? Z 0:00 [addr2line] <defunct>" below each of them is a "20657 ? Z 0:00 [c++filt] <defunct>" (different numbers of course) |
| 23:04.28 | solemnwarning | Holy shit |
| 23:04.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | THis all started when I tried to run a .jar file |
| 23:04.38 | valdyn | Gokee2_Laptop: why the hell would you ever use kill -9 |
| 23:04.39 | xand | Gokee2_Laptop: reboot |
| 23:04.45 | solemnwarning | I just installed ntpd on a machine, it's taking 17.3% memory |
| 23:04.57 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 23:04.57 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 23:05.06 | Gokee2_Laptop | xand, You have to be kidding on that one.... I don`t reboot. Ever. |
| 23:05.08 | Polarina | Gokee2_Laptop: kill -KILL <process ID> |
| 23:05.10 | valdyn | !kill |
| 23:05.13 | valdyn | !kill -9 |
| 23:05.14 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: then just leave it alone |
| 23:05.21 | xand | Gokee2_Laptop: no I'm not... glad to see your kernel is up to date |
| 23:05.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | abrotman, Its been overnight |
| 23:05.40 | xand | you'll have to reboot |
| 23:05.45 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: i know . and it will stay there .. likely til you reboot .. but is it hurting anything ? |
| 23:05.47 | xand | if you want to kill it |
| 23:05.51 | abrotman | !SIGKILL |
| 23:05.51 | dpkg | sigkill are you sure you want to use kill -9? What's wrong with -15, -2 and -1? See http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | valdyn: that? |
| 23:05.58 | solemnwarning | Why do people care about zombies? |
| 23:06.00 | valdyn | ah nice |
| 23:06.06 | Gokee2_Laptop | abrotman, Ya... It makes it really hard to see what it running |
| 23:06.13 | valdyn | abrotman: looks good, i didn't know that one |
| 23:06.13 | xand | solemnwarning: they come and eat you! |
| 23:06.17 | Polarina | solemnwarning: They eat your brain! |
| 23:06.19 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: try killing the PPID .. if that doesn't work .. reboot .. |
| 23:06.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | abrotman, How do I find its perent? |
| 23:06.42 | Gokee2_Laptop | parent* |
| 23:06.46 | xand | ps says |
| 23:06.47 | solemnwarning | Is the sarge ntpd really bloated or somthing? |
| 23:06.55 | abrotman | ps -ef will show it |
| 23:07.07 | abrotman | or ps -f |
| 23:07.12 | valdyn | solemnwarning: why do you think so? |
| 23:07.25 | solemnwarning | Because it's taken 17.3% memory on a machine |
| 23:07.31 | solemnwarning | The most of anything |
| 23:07.35 | Nyle | Good Evening |
| 23:07.39 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ops |
| 23:07.40 | solemnwarning | The next one down is bash with 6.3% |
| 23:07.58 | Gokee2_Laptop | "gokee2 20667 5757 0 Oct13 ? 00:00:00 [addr2line] <defunct>" I am geussing I kill Oct13? |
| 23:08.02 | valdyn | solemnwarning: small machine? |
| 23:08.05 | Gokee2_Laptop | guessing* |
| 23:08.07 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: wtf .. |
| 23:08.13 | Nyle | zombie! |
| 23:08.13 | solemnwarning | A 486 I'm running as a logserver |
| 23:08.16 | Nyle | !ppid |
| 23:08.16 | dpkg | i guess ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 23:08.17 | Polarina | Gokee2_Laptop: Do a 'kill -KILL 20667' |
| 23:08.25 | Tramp_ | If one kills the parent, won't init adopt them and finally wait? |
| 23:08.26 | xand | Gokee2_Laptop: that's not a pid, it's a date..... |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: you'd kill 5757 .. but i'd check what 5757 is |
| 23:08.35 | valdyn | Polarina: geez |
| 23:08.40 | spq | how can i manually fix depencie problems? (i know what i want to do to fix it) |
| 23:08.48 | valdyn | Polarina: /lastlog SIGKILL |
| 23:08.50 | Nyle | spq: what exactly is the issue |
| 23:08.54 | abrotman | aptitude -f install |
| 23:09.13 | Polarina | valdyn: I know. =) |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | Polarina: and you got the wrong PID |
| 23:09.32 | Polarina | abrotman: I do? |
| 23:09.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:09.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | gokee2 5757 1 0 Oct12 ? 00:01:25 irate-client |
| 23:09.39 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hmmph |
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| 23:09.54 | Polarina | abrotman: The PID from 'ps -ef' is always the first number.. |
| 23:09.55 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: up |
| 23:09.58 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: uhm .. |
| 23:10.04 | abrotman | Polarina: PPID .. pay attention |
| 23:10.07 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: no .. wait |
| 23:10.10 | Polarina | abrotman: Ok. |
| 23:10.17 | spq | Nyle, i want to upgrade a box from sarge to etch and there are problems with libsasl2 |
| 23:10.19 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: which one is the zombie ? |
| 23:10.25 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: i think you grepped the wrong PID |
| 23:10.50 | Polarina | Good night everyone. |
| 23:10.58 | Gokee2_Laptop | abrotman, irate was the parent |
| 23:11.04 | spq | ah i got it |
| 23:11.06 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: then first and second were different PIDs .. but whatever |
| 23:11.19 | Tr0gd0r | how can i extract a .zip file in debian? |
| 23:11.29 | Gokee2_Laptop | abrotman, Ya I did not bother to find the same one.... |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | Tr0gd0r: unzip |
| 23:11.32 | xand | Gokee2_Laptop: most parents would be irate if you tried to kill their children ;) |
| 23:11.34 | valdyn | solemnwarning: isnt your top counting the shared memory? |
| 23:11.34 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: all killed ? |
| 23:11.37 | Nyle | Tr0gd0r: install unzip |
| 23:11.40 | Nyle | !unzip |
| 23:11.41 | dpkg | it has been said that unzip is a program to unzip (stangely enough) zip files. apt-get install unzip will install unzip-crypt |
| 23:11.41 | Gokee2_Laptop | They had about 60-90 of them |
| 23:11.48 | valdyn | solemnwarning: instead of rss |
| 23:11.51 | solemnwarning | valdyn: No idea |
| 23:11.55 | Gokee2_Laptop | abrotman, Ya I closed irate and they all went away |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:12.02 | solemnwarning | But 17.3% is a lot compared to everything else |
| 23:12.10 | xand | solemnwarning: skip time |
| 23:12.15 | valdyn | solemnwarning: 28460(shared) 1576(rss) |
| 23:12.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | Irate is a great idea but its a crappy music player and it has problems.... |
| 23:12.17 | Nyle | Tr0gd0r: on every debian install, I always add contrib non-free and do apt-get install zip unzip rar unrar arj |
| 23:12.35 | Nyle | that pretty much covers all the popular/major compression formats, as you already have tar and bzip2 |
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| 23:12.46 | Gokee2_Laptop | Anyone know what loop0 is? |
| 23:12.54 | Nyle | loopback device |
| 23:12.56 | valdyn | solemnwarning: compared to one bash here: 22004(shared) 4800(rss) |
| 23:13.01 | Nyle | usually used to mount iso files afaik |
| 23:13.01 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ntpd is smaller |
| 23:13.27 | Nyle | but it can be used to mount a file as a device |
| 23:13.35 | valdyn | solemnwarning: naturally depending if and how its really shared with an actually running program |
| 23:13.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | Nyle, Ah right! :) |
| 23:13.56 | Nyle | well, not really as a device, but you get the idea |
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| 23:14.07 | Gokee2_Laptop | I guess I am ready to try the jar file again |
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| 23:14.16 | Nyle | java blah.jar? |
| 23:14.20 | solemnwarning | valdyn: Which top columns are those? |
| 23:14.42 | valdyn | solemnwarning: oh, that was ps aux | grep <whatever> |
| 23:14.57 | valdyn | solemnwarning: top has 'virt' and 'res' and 'shr' |
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| 23:15.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Has today's new ALSA release made it into any Debian repos yet? |
| 23:15.15 | valdyn | solemnwarning: virt is meaningless, plain broken to count, res and shr |
| 23:15.18 | solemnwarning | root 2667 0.0 17.2 3180 3180 ? SLs 00:04 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid |
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| 23:15.20 | venger | How can I generate a openssl cert to against my dyndns domain instead of localhost? I wanted to do it for that and the local hostname but I couldn't get that to work. |
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| 23:15.36 | krazykit | fsck telling you to run manually and then show lots of orphaned inodes is a pretty bad thing, right? |
| 23:15.42 | dondelelcaro | krazykit: not really |
| 23:15.48 | venger | localhost meaning local hostname |
| 23:15.50 | valdyn | solemnwarning: i think i took virt for shr , but that's irrelevant anyway, you can only use 'rss' as reliable number |
| 23:16.05 | dondelelcaro | krazykit: that just means that files were marked for deletion and something was still using them when the filesystem stopped being accessed |
| 23:16.07 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: likely not |
| 23:16.14 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: try packages.debian.org |
| 23:16.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | Nyle, Don`t I have to do java -jar PLcash.jar? |
| 23:16.26 | krazykit | dondelelcaro, ah, that is the case, as the machine hard locked during an rm |
| 23:16.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I already did... nothing :( |
| 23:16.28 | valdyn | solemnwarning: linux memory accounting as shown in top is not very useful |
| 23:16.34 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ( except for rss ) |
| 23:16.36 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: then i guess you have your answer |
| 23:16.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: So I guess I'll be flexing the GCC muscle |
| 23:16.53 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: if that makes you happy |
| 23:17.13 | valdyn | solemnwarning: or 'res' whatever |
| 23:17.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell venger -about self-signed ssl key |
| 23:17.17 | Nyle | Gokee2_Laptop: I dunno, I don't use java |
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| 23:17.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Well, it adds support for my lappy's sound card, so yeah :p |
| 23:17.43 | abrotman | sound is overrated |
| 23:17.48 | Gokee2_Laptop | Nyle, I try and avoid it but thats what the help said |
| 23:17.58 | solemnwarning | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/CjzRBk92.html |
| 23:18.02 | solemnwarning | That's free on the machine |
| 23:18.56 | valdyn | solemnwarning: 18MB total, near 11 of those used as cache? |
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| 23:19.26 | solemnwarning | 17 according to free -m |
| 23:19.43 | solemnwarning | I compiled a custom kernel when I installed deb on that machine |
| 23:19.50 | venger | thanks dondelelcaro that's perfect |
| 23:19.57 | valdyn | solemnwarning: debians libc6 is huge for that machine |
| 23:20.23 | solemnwarning | glibc is huge? o_O |
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| 23:20.39 | dondelelcaro | fairly large, yes. |
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| 23:20.55 | dondelelcaro | but since it's generally only in memory once, it's not such a big deal. |
| 23:21.18 | solemnwarning | What exactly is the cache column? |
| 23:21.24 | solemnwarning | Shared libs? Files? |
| 23:21.41 | valdyn | solemnwarning: on disk stuff |
| 23:21.46 | spq | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 23:21.51 | spq | how to determine why? |
| 23:22.47 | valdyn | solemnwarning: linux uses all memory that is 'unused' to cache i/o |
| 23:23.11 | valdyn | solemnwarning: costs nothing, but can speed up transfers.. |
| 23:23.11 | solemnwarning | And forces code into the swap as a result? :\ |
| 23:23.17 | valdyn | solemnwarning: no |
| 23:23.21 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: if the code isn't being used, sure |
| 23:23.32 | solemnwarning | So what's the used swap? |
| 23:23.43 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: there's no reason not to swap out bits of memory which aren't being actively used |
| 23:23.48 | valdyn | solemnwarning: anything that is not used |
| 23:23.53 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 23:23.53 | valdyn | solemnwarning: some kernel parts get never used |
| 23:24.03 | solemnwarning | So the memory usage on this machine is fine? |
| 23:24.04 | valdyn | not ever |
| 23:24.18 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:24.19 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: looks reasonable for now, yes. |
| 23:24.21 | valdyn | 60% free i would say so |
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| 23:24.28 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 23:25.05 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: swapping means using swap as if it were main memory, not storing things in swap |
| 23:25.06 | darsie | I just installed a server and selected in tasksel (web+dns+mail)*server+sql database, and was quite surprised, that all packages were downloade and installed before the system rebooted. No extra downloads after the reboot. Is that ok, or did I block that, when I fiddled with grub? |
| 23:25.08 | valdyn | solemnwarning: swapping out firefox windows when you are just about to click on that one, that's 'bad' swapping |
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| 23:25.59 | valdyn | solemnwarning: its tuneable too, but i dont see a need on your system |
| 23:26.13 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: you actually have to look at /proc/stat if you want to know that |
| 23:26.39 | darsie | Also, how come all tasksel selections remain when I restart tasksel, except sql database, which remains deselected. pgsql is installed. |
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| 23:27.12 | valdyn | darsie: that's a task that probably install mysql |
| 23:27.24 | darsie | valdyn: it doesn't |
| 23:27.32 | dondelelcaro | darsie: there's no real point in using tasksel beyond initial installation |
| 23:27.36 | |DuReX| | somebody has any id since what kernel marvell 88E1116 network card is supported ? |
| 23:27.48 | dondelelcaro | |DuReX|: google can probably answer that question faster than we can |
| 23:28.10 | chumpalump | hey all, anyone know how to set the default gcc used by apt-get source --compile? |
| 23:28.20 | Tr0gd0r | how do i reopen a screen that is detached? |
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| 23:28.31 | chumpalump | Tr0gd0r: screen -r |
| 23:28.32 | darsie | dondelelcaro: wouldn't it be much easier to install a desktop environment with tasksel later on? |
| 23:28.40 | dondelelcaro | darsie: not really |
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| 23:28.55 | dondelelcaro | darsie: and if you want to, aptitude already knows about the tasks |
| 23:28.57 | solemnwarning | aptitude install x-window-system kde |
| 23:28.57 | Tr0gd0r | chumpalump then how do i detach again |
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| 23:29.07 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gd0r: ^a^d; man screen |
| 23:29.17 | dondelelcaro | (or ^a^h) |
| 23:29.26 | Tr0gd0r | i did ^a d |
| 23:29.31 | |DuReX| | can't find it at google :x |
| 23:29.41 | dondelelcaro | ^a?, actually |
| 23:29.45 | Tr0gd0r | dont need the second controll |
| 23:29.48 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gd0r: same difference |
| 23:29.58 | chumpalump | Tr0gd0r: 'screen -r' will reattach a screen automatically if there is only one deattached |
| 23:30.35 | dondelelcaro | |DuReX|: what does lspci say for that card? |
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| 23:31.48 | |DuReX| | type is in the manual of mobo |
| 23:32.15 | darsie | how can I verify my swap is mounted on /dev/md0, a RAID1? |
| 23:32.28 | dondelelcaro | darsie: cat /proc/swaps |
| 23:32.32 | darsie | thx |
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| 23:34.12 | chumpalump | gcc-4.2 is kicking my butt, anyone know how to set the default gcc? |
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| 23:34.30 | dondelelcaro | CC=gcc-4.1 make; or similar |
| 23:34.49 | dondelelcaro | though you should really fix whatever code it is that is breaking with the newer versions of gcc if at all possible |
| 23:35.45 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/m4b70d0a0 <- this is lspci for the card |
| 23:35.58 | darsie | To get grub boot I had to define 2 SATA disks as 2 single disk RAIDs in the bios software raid manager. That made the drive LEDs flash. Could it have messed with my debian installation? Should I reinstall? |
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| 23:36.19 | chumpalump | dondelelcaro: ya true, but too many of my python mods are breaking now |
| 23:36.56 | dondelelcaro | chumpalump: is there any reason why you're compiling them instead of using the ones that debian distributes? |
| 23:36.57 | darsie | it appears to work fine, though. |
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| 23:37.46 | azeem | darsie: so why do you want to reinstall? |
| 23:37.47 | chumpalump | dondelelcaro: I need python 2.5, the mods delivered as .so libs are not built for 2.5 |
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| 23:38.33 | darsie | azeem: I don't wan't to. But if there were writes to the disk that damaged something, an error might appear later. |
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| 23:38.53 | azeem | darsie: you could run debsums over it |
| 23:38.57 | dondelelcaro | chumpalump: uh... most modules are available with python2.5-foomod; variants |
| 23:39.14 | darsie | hmm, I'll see. thx |
| 23:41.20 | chumpalump | dondelelcaro: python-cdb is one example of no 2.5 build, deb builds fine from source, but segfaults at runtime |
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| 23:42.11 | dondelelcaro | chumpalump: that's most likely not a compiler issue then |
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| 23:43.00 | dondelelcaro | ugh. python-cdb hasn't been updated at all recently |
| 23:43.15 | chumpalump | dondelelcaro: could be true, but enough bugs are filed against gcc 4.2 that I thought I'd eliminate that possibility |
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| 23:43.40 | dondelelcaro | chumpalump: well, in any event, the command I've given you is how you change the compiler |
| 23:44.05 | dondelelcaro | probably python-cdb could use a bug for python2.5 support too |
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| 23:44.30 | dondelelcaro | and probably an update since the upstream version is almost certainly > 0.32 unless it's abandoned upstream |
| 23:45.01 | chumpalump | dondelelcaro: thx, now I need to narrow done my python-apsw segfault problems |
| 23:46.00 | chumpalump | python-cdb is not as essential for me, but I'll look at building from upstream source and see |
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| 23:47.19 | dondelelcaro | uh... python2.5-apsw definetly exists |
| 23:48.12 | dondelelcaro | ah, crap; it's a package that something else depends on |
| 23:48.20 | chumpalump | in sid, what are the debs built in? |
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| 23:48.32 | dondelelcaro | gcc-4.2 |
| 23:48.55 | chumpalump | ahh, that explains some of it |
| 23:48.58 | dondelelcaro | but gcc hasn't changed ABI compatibility in ages |
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| 23:49.15 | DaSkreech | So when is Debian shipping with KDE4 ? |
| 23:49.32 | dondelelcaro | DaSkreech: when we release next, assuming KDE 4 is in testing at the time we release |
| 23:49.42 | dondelelcaro | DaSkreech: if you want it to happen sooner, jump in and help out |
| 23:50.10 | chumpalump | well, stable apsw works and in sid it doesn't (for me, anyway) I investigate more and file bugs accordingly |
| 23:50.56 | DaSkreech | dondelelcaro: Is there a list somewhere? |
| 23:51.03 | dondelelcaro | DaSkreech: of what? |
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| 23:51.25 | chumpalump | dondelelcaro: thx for the wisdom |
| 23:51.44 | dondelelcaro | chumpalump: np; good lukc |
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| 23:54.33 | DaSkreech | dondelelcaro: Stuff to do |
| 23:55.00 | abrotman | DaSkreech: maybe ask #debian-kde |
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| 23:55.14 | DaSkreech | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:58.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: helping with kde is <reply> To help with kde, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/ |
| 23:58.02 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
