| 00:00.14 | CaT_MaN | rvalles: nah... i didnt talk about gateway... I have 2 server, every server has 2 NICs, Server One is Web server, Server Two is Mysql Server |
| 00:00.32 | Canadian | ok. |
| 00:00.42 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: that firewall of yours that you're suspecting; have you tried to disable it, in order to isolate the problem? |
| 00:00.48 | Canadian | why does each server have two NICs? |
| 00:00.54 | CaT_MaN | Server Two have only one address (for client mysql connect) 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:01.25 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: so both servers are connected to internet with one interface, and to each other with the other? |
| 00:01.43 | Canadian | yep. |
| 00:01.50 | Canadian | and server one? |
| 00:01.51 | rvalles | if so, do they have a different public (internet) IP address each? |
| 00:01.53 | CaT_MaN | yes! thats right |
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| 00:02.29 | CaT_MaN | and now... why my web server work fine when its addressess are set to one NIC |
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| 00:03.27 | CaT_MaN | if I set the real address (addres of my web page) and the address for the connect to the mysql (192.168.0.X) on differend NICs.. my server is not working fine.. |
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| 00:04.09 | CaT_MaN | if both addresses are on one NIC (the real one on eth0 and the other on eth0:1) it works fine.. |
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| 00:05.02 | Canadian | but not if real on eth0 and private on eth1. |
| 00:05.09 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: can the servers ping each other just fine through eth1? |
| 00:05.10 | Canadian | ? |
| 00:05.48 | CaT_MaN | rvalles yes... pign and connect work... only the performance go down |
| 00:06.08 | auto359 | just installed java sdk 1.5.0.bin using fakeroot; dpkg -i but i can't find it. java -versions shows nothing? did i miss a step? |
| 00:06.12 | CaT_MaN | i mean the performance of the whole system (web server and mysql server) |
| 00:06.22 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: ping isn't slow or anything, then. |
| 00:06.49 | CaT_MaN | rvalles: no.. ping is not slow. :( |
| 00:06.49 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: is the mysql server _listening_ on eth1? |
| 00:07.16 | CaT_MaN | rvalles: mysql is visible on each example of my configuration |
| 00:07.30 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: sorry? |
| 00:07.49 | CaT_MaN | the system works better when the both addresses are set on one NIC |
| 00:07.57 | rvalles | yeah |
| 00:08.01 | rvalles | but please answer |
| 00:08.05 | CaT_MaN | this is strange for me |
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| 00:08.28 | rvalles | does mysql listen on your eth1 interface? |
| 00:08.36 | rvalles | (the one where your LAN is) |
| 00:08.53 | CaT_MaN | yes, on eth1 |
| 00:09.10 | CaT_MaN | but both ifaces are connected to one Switch |
| 00:09.19 | rvalles | eeeeek |
| 00:09.20 | Ryushin | Has anyone used git to get kernel sources in debian? I'm looking at an example from: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00_GIT_instructions |
| 00:10.01 | rvalles | I thought you told us they were physically separated |
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| 00:10.08 | Ryushin | I need to use some kind of program called gc, but I can't find it in the debian software. |
| 00:10.12 | rvalles | this isn't what I'd call separation... |
| 00:10.34 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: is the switch a managed switch? |
| 00:10.38 | Ryushin | I installed git-core, but that doesn't seem to contain get-cg |
| 00:10.51 | CaT_MaN | physucally - on differend hardware NICs |
| 00:10.58 | CaT_MaN | that i mean separated |
| 00:11.05 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: is the switch a managed switch? |
| 00:11.26 | CaT_MaN | rvalles no. its simple gigabit switch |
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| 00:11.48 | rvalles | that keeps me from simply blaming the switch. Damnit. |
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| 00:11.56 | fisxoj | why are some letters superimposed on each other in words in icedove |
| 00:11.56 | fisxoj | ? |
| 00:12.09 | auto359 | can i upgrade from etch to lenny from within an existing etch install ... as per ubuntu does? |
| 00:12.39 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: what about name resolution? |
| 00:12.42 | amphi | auto359: yes |
| 00:13.00 | auto359 | fisxoj: i get exactly the same issue in iceweasel with the letters "f i c" |
| 00:13.09 | amphi | !tell auto359 about etch->lenny |
| 00:13.33 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: in any case, try disabling that firewall of yours, to discard things. |
| 00:13.44 | auto359 | the word firefox ends up frefox with the i jammed under the f |
| 00:13.47 | auto359 | amphi: thank you |
| 00:13.56 | amphi | auto359: you're welcome |
| 00:14.09 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: who knows what distro you're using, and which firewall it might have. I'm only familiar with setting rules up from scratch myself. |
| 00:14.15 | fisxoj | auto359: yea, that seems to be the same thing, any idea what's going on? |
| 00:14.52 | auto359 | no, is most likely an "ice" related font issue, i'm not really bothered but perhaps we should look for a solution |
| 00:15.17 | CaT_MaN | rvalles: centos is the distro, firewall is my own. with iptables.. its simple firewall.. only forbit all connections and permit only port 80 |
| 00:15.25 | auto359 | although i am just about to upgrade to lenny |
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| 00:16.03 | fisxoj | auto359: I'm running sid, so, presumably, it isn't fixed |
| 00:16.10 | auto359 | ah k |
| 00:16.12 | fisxoj | or broke again... |
| 00:16.23 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: looks really simple, can you past it somewhere? |
| 00:16.28 | CaT_MaN | i mean.. my firewall is fine.. if it mess with the mysql.. i will be not whit bad performance.. it will be not visible ) |
| 00:16.33 | auto359 | fisxoj: i am not current with debian versions yet |
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| 00:17.07 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: I simply don' trust your firewall ;) |
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| 00:17.15 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: you should really try without... |
| 00:17.29 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: iptables -F && iptables -X |
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| 00:17.57 | CaT_MaN | yeah :) i dont trust on somebody else's firewall :) |
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| 00:18.19 | CaT_MaN | rvalles: before all i must make iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 00:18.57 | CaT_MaN | cuz if i flush the rules.. default polocy will break my neck :) |
| 00:19.00 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: so your firewall has DROP as default input policy? |
| 00:19.25 | Supaplex | iptables -P INPUT I_AM_SO_PARANOID |
| 00:19.28 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: and just one line to allow port 80? |
| 00:19.30 | CaT_MaN | <CaT_MaN> rvalles: centos is the distro, firewall is my own. with iptables.. its simple firewall.. only forbit all connections and permit only port 80 |
| 00:19.32 | Supaplex | wait.. nm ;) |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | how is this a debian question ? |
| 00:19.53 | CaT_MaN | ive wrote it man :) |
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| 00:20.01 | Supaplex | centos, because that's what it's worth. |
| 00:20.07 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: then, how does the mysql answers reach your webserver? |
| 00:20.28 | rvalles | *how do the |
| 00:20.43 | CaT_MaN | rvalles iptables -I INPUT 192.168.0.0/24 -j ACEPT |
| 00:20.48 | CaT_MaN | ACCEPT* |
| 00:21.20 | CaT_MaN | all 192.168.0.0 connections are permited on each server |
| 00:21.30 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: nothing on -I OUTPUT on neither end? |
| 00:21.52 | Supaplex | iptables-save | $PAGER for tEh win. |
| 00:22.13 | CaT_MaN | im asking for performance getting worse. not for "it not work" problem |
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| 00:23.22 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: performance getting worse looks to me like a "it not work" (lol) problem. |
| 00:23.33 | Supaplex | !kiss |
| 00:23.33 | dpkg | kiss is probably Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 00:23.38 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: particularily, communication is tried in some manner |
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| 00:23.49 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: it fails, and then a fallback that works is tried. |
| 00:24.33 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: most tipical examples would be DNS rotation or reverse lookup problems. |
| 00:24.36 | CaT_MaN | rvalles: okay man. thanks for the trying to help me. thanks for your time |
| 00:25.12 | Supaplex | I say save the rules: iptables-save > myrules.txt reset policies to ACCEPT, and wipe out the rules to test if it's an iptables issue. (K.I.S.S.) -j LOG is your friend |
| 00:26.12 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:26.12 | rvalles | CaT_MaN: no need to thank me; it's not like I give a damn about you or anybody else. It's the mysteries that pull me. |
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| 00:27.34 | auto359 | rvalles: nice, i like your ruthless pragmatism |
| 00:28.28 | xtor_ | Are there any WYSIWYG html editors for linux? I tried bluefish and phpedit but they are far from WYSIWYG |
| 00:28.46 | auto359 | xtor_: Qanta |
| 00:28.58 | xtor_ | qanta is free? |
| 00:29.03 | auto359 | yes |
| 00:29.25 | rvalles | called "quanta", I believe. |
| 00:29.38 | abrotman | nvu |
| 00:29.40 | abrotman | maybe |
| 00:30.00 | rvalles | nvu might be too WYSIWYG. |
| 00:30.29 | rvalles | (read it as: useless) |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | i think that's what he's looking for |
| 00:30.43 | xtor_ | hmm qanta sounds too sexy to be free |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | !info quanta etch |
| 00:31.08 | dpkg | quanta: (web development environment for KDE), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 2415 kB, Installed size: 5510 kB |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | !nvu |
| 00:31.08 | dpkg | nvu is, like, a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
| 00:31.24 | rvalles | xtor_: It's GPL-2. |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | xtor_: alternately .. you could .. learn HTML |
| 00:32.04 | xtor_ | nvu has no deb packages? |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | no it does not .. but the iceape package also has a WYSIIGIEIGIGWEIG editor |
| 00:32.37 | xtor_ | Ice Ape... |
| 00:32.56 | rvalles | I think he does mean fireweasel |
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| 00:33.15 | lukas__ | Hi, is there any way how to run x apps from chroot? I think dchroot should work, but it gives me unable to connect to DISPLAY |
| 00:33.17 | rvalles | or thunderfox. |
| 00:33.22 | lukas__ | Could anyone advise? |
| 00:33.42 | rvalles | lukas__: are you using chroot for security purposes? |
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| 00:34.02 | lukas__ | rvalles: no, jst because i need some special libraries |
| 00:34.48 | lukas__ | security is not concern as it is only development app |
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| 00:35.01 | rvalles | why not rely on LD env variables or config files, then? |
| 00:35.17 | rvalles | anyways, there's a way |
| 00:35.21 | lukas__ | rvalles: well, the problematic library is glibc |
| 00:35.32 | mike1o | can I paste what's on my clipboard with my keyboard instead of my middle mouse button? |
| 00:35.38 | rvalles | I can think of two ways, right now |
| 00:35.52 | lukas__ | mike1o: Shift-ins |
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| 00:35.53 | rvalles | lukas__: you can either use the network (lo) to access the X server |
| 00:36.13 | lukas__ | mike1o: Shift-insert I think |
| 00:36.13 | rvalles | lukas__: making DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0 instead of :0, and making sure the X server listens to TCP. |
| 00:36.18 | mike1o | tnx |
| 00:36.27 | mac000 | hi |
| 00:36.29 | rvalles | lukas__: (or use for example Xnest -ac :1 as an alternative) |
| 00:36.30 | mike1o | it's right |
| 00:36.43 | mac000 | mike how are u |
| 00:36.50 | lukas__ | rvalles: I tried Xvnc, but I would prefer X, ok i will try |
| 00:36.53 | rvalles | lukas__: or copy (read as: hardlink) the X socket from outside the chroot |
| 00:36.56 | rvalles | lukas__: into the chroot. |
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| 00:37.14 | lukas__ | rvalles: what do you mean? |
| 00:37.20 | lukas__ | rvalles: or how |
| 00:37.36 | mac000 | mike how can i no you better ? |
| 00:37.45 | rvalles | lukas__: X apps can connect to the server in two ways |
| 00:37.55 | rvalles | lukas__: over local unix sockets or over TCP. |
| 00:38.20 | lukas__ | ok, so how to find the socket? |
| 00:38.37 | rvalles | lukas__: ls -l /tmp/.X11-unix/ |
| 00:38.47 | rvalles | lukas__: it's likely to be there. |
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| 00:39.01 | rvalles | lukas__: just hardlink to it on same path inside the chroot... |
| 00:39.28 | rvalles | lukas__: with that or by using TCP, you can solve the connection part of the problem |
| 00:39.35 | rvalles | lukas__: next is the authentication part of the problem. |
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| 00:40.00 | rvalles | lukas__: you can solve that one by copying ~/.Xauthority from your home to the home where the app inside the chroot looks. |
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| 00:41.51 | lukas__ | rvalles: I have not .Xauthority, btw, /home is binded |
| 00:42.43 | rvalles | without Xauth cookies enabled you shouldn't be having any problems on the auth front. |
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| 00:43.04 | rvalles | anyways, did hardlinking the socket work, lukas__? |
| 00:43.20 | lukas__ | rvalles: ok, thanks it seems that the app is running despite throwing wome errors |
| 00:43.44 | rvalles | lukas__: well, if it can open its window on your X server, the errors then are somewhere else ;) |
| 00:43.59 | lukas__ | rvalles: I am pretty sure they are |
| 00:44.16 | rvalles | lukas__: time to go through the pains of debugging, then. Have fun :) |
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| 00:45.34 | lukas__ | rvalles: thanks much |
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| 00:48.22 | dserban | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help earlier, i found out it was iptables, it was the fiaif package which doesn't work too well on diskless boxes. I'm gonna patch and report a bug. |
| 00:49.02 | helo | how do i restart inetd? |
| 00:49.40 | lukas__ | helo: /etc/init.d/inetd restart ? (maybe xinetd) |
| 00:50.39 | helo | neither of those exist |
| 00:51.25 | lukas__ | helo: do you have it installed? |
| 00:51.38 | helo | it is running, so i think so :) |
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| 00:52.59 | gravity | Is there a program to search the full text of manpages, rather than just the summaries? |
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| 00:54.30 | phix | Hello |
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| 00:55.23 | stew | gravity: find /usr/share/man -type f | xargs zgrep pattern? |
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| 00:56.50 | hatter | I have 2 250gb hard disks one is lba100 and the lba33 , should this affect read and write speeds with s/w raid ? it appears that with the etch netinst once s/w raid is start the system install grinds to a slow haul |
| 00:56.50 | phix | stew: find /usr/share/man -type f -exec zgrep pattern <<< {} \; |
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| 00:56.50 | gravity | ick |
| 00:56.51 | stew | phix: that's the same as mine but slower |
| 00:56.54 | phix | stew: :P |
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| 00:57.26 | phix | stew: <<< is slow? |
| 00:57.48 | phix | I guess it is creating a new fd isn't it? |
| 00:57.57 | stew | phix: runing grep once for each file, and thus having to fork over and over and recompile the regular expression over and over is slower than just building a list of files and running grep once |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | helo: openbsd-inetd |
| 01:00.58 | dserban | helo: find the process number via ps or netstat, use ps to find out what the command was to start the service, dpkg -S /usr/sbin/somecommand... it will point to the package that installed it. Remove said package. |
| 01:01.31 | helo | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:01.38 | helo | i was just trying to restart inetd |
| 01:01.46 | hatter | hmmm, yep as soon as the s/w raid starts the md part the system grinds to a halt and the hard disk light is on |
| 01:02.19 | dserban | helo: oh, sorry... :) didn't read far enough. |
| 01:03.02 | phix | stew: true |
| 01:03.07 | phix | stew: I like your way then |
| 01:03.08 | helo | np heh |
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| 01:11.54 | hatter | anyone know of a software raid irc channel / |
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| 01:12.20 | kantlivelong | anyone here good w/ iptables that can assist me? |
| 01:12.41 | dondelelcaro | kantlivelong: best to just ask your question |
| 01:12.59 | kantlivelong | ok |
| 01:13.27 | hatter | kantlivelong, shorewall is good for making iptables easy if this is new for you |
| 01:13.45 | kantlivelong | i issued the command `iptables -I INPUT -p all -m state --state NEW -j BLOCK_IN` and it gives me an error "Invalid arg" anyone notice whats wrong? |
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| 01:15.06 | lukas__ | kantlivelong: shorewall has good documentation, nide scripts and some example scripts, as hatter says |
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| 01:15.32 | lukas__ | kantlivelong: no idea |
| 01:15.51 | kantlivelong | hmm |
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| 01:16.13 | abrotman | i could have told him |
| 01:16.16 | Tramp | well, -I needas a position |
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| 01:16.25 | abrotman | -m needs a protocol ? |
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| 01:17.19 | Tramp | abrotman: you're right. The rulenum for -I is optional. |
| 01:17.24 | lukas__ | rvalles: It is me again, I am able to run part of it, but the rest compalints about FPU which was solved in nonchroot system by installing glx drivers. Could it be that hardlinked socket does not provide glx support? |
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| 01:18.44 | rvalles | lukas__: run "glxgears" on the chroot... or glxinfo (direct rendering: yes!) |
| 01:19.06 | rvalles | lukas__: also make sure you have the right GL libs inside the chroot. |
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| 01:20.27 | rvalles | lukas__: glx works even on networked X11. 3d acceleration doesn't... yet. It will soon (planned for next or second next Xorg release) |
| 01:20.51 | rvalles | lukas__: local socket X11 should be fine in any case. |
| 01:21.15 | lukas__ | rvalles: strange thing, glxinfo says could not open display |
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| 01:23.23 | lukas__ | rvalles: no, sorry, it is not true, it gave some result |
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| 01:23.45 | dotCOMmie | has anyone seen dhcpcd use aroung 30% of CPU? |
| 01:23.49 | lukas__ | forgotten -d |
| 01:23.52 | dacs | hey guys |
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| 01:24.31 | dacs | could someone please double check my worl |
| 01:24.34 | dacs | sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=administrator //192.168.1.101/E/samba /home/windrive |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | errors ? |
| 01:25.05 | lukas__ | rvalles: nevertheless, could Xnest or some thing work with 3d acceleration? |
| 01:25.12 | lukas__ | If it would be necessary |
| 01:25.18 | renga | Hi, Im installed etch with the netinstaller, raid1 and lvm. md0 I used for "/boot" and md1 for lvm were created all the vg00- |
| 01:25.33 | dacs | 6526: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 01:25.35 | dacs | SMB connection failed |
| 01:26.06 | civillian | hi dacs :) |
| 01:26.11 | civillian | still going on that?? |
| 01:26.42 | dacs | civillian: yo whats up |
| 01:27.06 | dacs | civillian: like a race horse ha ha |
| 01:27.46 | civillian | dacs: lol so where are you up to now?? i like your mount line, seems OK |
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| 01:28.27 | renga | Hi, Im installed etch with the netinstaller, raid1 and lvm. md0 I used for "/boot" and md1 for lvm were created all the vg00-, when I reboot i see can't "can't deactivate vg00 1 open logical volume" |
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| 01:28.47 | dacs | k in my windows box i have an E: drive,inside that i have samba folder shared |
| 01:29.01 | renga | someone knows what can that be? |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | it's not E: |
| 01:29.36 | dacs | abrotman: E |
| 01:29.41 | rdz | hi all.. how do i specify a format with the 'date' command? |
| 01:29.46 | earnest | I'm trying to set my system date/time. In the following, think of \n as a newline in the terminal window. I run: # date -s 101721242007 \n date: invalid date `101721242007' \n # date 101721242007 \n Qua Out 17 21:24:00 EDT 2007. Could this be happening because of my locale? |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | is E the name of the share ? |
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| 01:29.58 | rdz | for example: 2007-10-18 |
| 01:30.35 | rdz | ah.. |
| 01:30.39 | rdz | got.it.. |
| 01:30.45 | rdz | i missed the + |
| 01:30.52 | civillian | dacs: so you've shared your whole E drive as E? or are you trying to use the default share E$? |
| 01:31.13 | dacs | abrotman: yes share name is E |
| 01:31.37 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:32.49 | dacs | civillian: yes the whole E drive is shared as "E" and there is a under "E" called samba which i want to use |
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| 01:34.42 | dacs | abrotman: civillian see i think the problem is with my windows box,because i don't have a user setup on it |
| 01:35.21 | black_13 | how do i remove all output during bootup |
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| 01:35.47 | black_13 | such as "booting linux" and uncompress initrd |
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| 01:37.18 | civillian | dacs: its generally a great idea to add a user to your windows machine, with a password, and use that instead of username=administrator |
| 01:37.39 | civillian | remember to add to username=administrator,password=xyz |
| 01:37.44 | civillian | no spaces |
| 01:37.54 | civillian | so use a username like samba with no spaces |
| 01:37.57 | dacs | civillian: is there is an altarnative |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | dacs: uh yeah |
| 01:38.32 | civillian | dacs: sure, you can use the administrator account.... but you have to hard code the password |
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| 01:38.38 | civillian | in a text file |
| 01:38.50 | civillian | which is a bit of a no-no ( but ok for testing ) |
| 01:39.49 | dacs | civillian: are going to be here for a while |
| 01:39.57 | civillian | dacs: should be :) |
| 01:41.12 | dacs | civillian: cool ,i am oncall and i just got called , we have an OCX48 outage |
| 01:41.15 | dacs | :( |
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| 01:42.24 | helo | anyone here develop for debian full-time? |
| 01:43.42 | helo | how do i know wheter to use nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server? |
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| 01:44.59 | kgoetz | helo: its much of a muchness |
| 01:45.04 | kgoetz | kernel server is slightly faster |
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| 01:49.58 | hdevalence | I want to dual-boot Debian and Ubuntu, because I've been using Ubuntu for a while and want to try something more challenging. My concern is about the GRUB menu.lst. will the (Ubuntu) Debian Automagic Kernel List get screwed up by the (Debian) Debian Automagic kernel list? |
| 01:51.13 | kgoetz | they should be ok |
| 01:51.58 | DawnLight | hdevalence: Debian installation should be able to see that ubuntu is installed and provide an entry. i have no experiance with this, though. you can make a grub floppy and put your ubuntu menu.lst there. ask me how |
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| 01:52.48 | ampex2 | Is there a way to manually reprocess the exim mail queue? |
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| 01:53.23 | weld | hi, i want to install a debian package i have downloaded manually, which has some dependencies - how can i install it, so that all dependencies are will be installed automatically? dpkg doesn't do that |
| 01:54.04 | hdevalence | DawnLight: my current plan was to backup the menu.lst and if the Debian install messes it up, I would just revert back to it while I figure out how to fix the problem. |
| 01:54.05 | dondelelcaro | ampex2: exim -q; or similar, though it should happen automatically. |
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| 01:56.53 | DawnLight | hdevalence: debian won't mess it up. the menu.lst file is in /boot/grub so it won't touch your old configuration. but it will install a grub on the boot record which will look in debian's partition and not in ubuntu's |
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| 01:59.32 | auto359 | is sid a better supported distro for debian 64 bit and java? |
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| 02:00.27 | DawnLight | i don't know about java, auto359, but my amd64 etch doesn't hear me complain |
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| 02:00.59 | auto359 | my amd64 etch dislikes java imensely ... |
| 02:01.24 | DawnLight | you don't say... you mean bugs? |
| 02:01.51 | auto359 | no as in it a PITA to install/config ... both the JDK and plugins for iceweasel |
| 02:02.48 | auto359 | maybe my sources.list is munged |
| 02:02.53 | DawnLight | auto359: if it's because of licensing issues, i can't see how it will be different in testing |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | auto359: please don't use sid |
| 02:03.14 | auto359 | abrotman: no? |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:03.22 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 02:03.22 | auto359 | cos it is too flakey atm? |
| 02:04.24 | auto359 | thanks dpkg |
| 02:04.25 | dpkg | auto359: sure thing |
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| 02:05.20 | DawnLight | !bot |
| 02:05.20 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 02:06.27 | auto359 | !insult |
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| 02:08.47 | hdevalence | So the amd64 debian testing dvd couldn't find my network card driver. Should I try the 'sid' dvd? |
| 02:08.53 | hdevalence | or cd |
| 02:09.02 | DawnLight | !sid |
| 02:09.03 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq> |
| 02:09.14 | ampex2 | hdevalence: what kind of network adapter? |
| 02:09.36 | hdevalence | it's in a laptop; it's made by broadcomm. one min |
| 02:09.47 | DawnLight | lspci, hdevalence |
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| 02:10.11 | hdevalence | I was going to do lshw, but lspci would work too |
| 02:11.26 | hdevalence | NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express by Broadcomm |
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| 02:13.22 | DawnLight | hdevalence: google that string |
| 02:16.57 | hdevalence | DawnLight: I don't get anything Debian-related.. I have one from the ubuntu forums, and some stuff from SuSE, but nothing that looks like it would work |
| 02:17.28 | DawnLight | does your ubuntu make it work? |
| 02:18.03 | hdevalence | yeah |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | is it wifi ? |
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| 02:18.23 | hdevalence | no, the actual ethernet |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | it's likely b44 or tg3 if it's 10/100 .. |
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| 02:18.36 | abrotman | hdevalence: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 02:18.41 | hdevalence | the gutsy tribe 5 alpha worked out of the box |
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| 02:18.55 | hdevalence | feisty didn't work |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | hdevalence: this is #debian .. not #ubuntu |
| 02:19.11 | asg | abrotman: isn't gutsy tribe 5 alpha the name of your punk / jazz fusion band? |
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| 02:19.40 | abrotman | asg: i wish i were that creative .. all we came up with was a lame ass name like Wyzard |
| 02:19.43 | hdevalence | abrotman: well, I was asked if it worked in ubuntu, so I answered. |
| 02:19.52 | xtor_ | If I downloaded a .deb for i386 but I have the AMD64 kernel installed..how can I override the nagging? |
| 02:19.55 | asg | abrotman: we called ours Phlegmchrist |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | Phlegmbucket sounds better! |
| 02:20.19 | asg | abrotman: s/better/useful/ |
| 02:20.35 | xtor_ | dpkg: error processing kompozer-0.7.10-i386.deb (--install): |
| 02:20.35 | asg | xtor_: you don't download debs, you apt-get install them. |
| 02:20.36 | xtor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.36 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 02:21.01 | hdevalence | abrotman: I think it's t3, because I get stuff like this: tg3: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex. |
| 02:21.10 | abrotman | hdevalence: sounds like it's working |
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| 02:21.56 | hdevalence | abrotman: so how would I get a Debian install to get it working the same way as it does in Ubuntu? |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | oh .. that line was from ubuntu ? |
| 02:22.20 | DawnLight | hhdevalence: hthis page indicates the tigon 3 ttp://gentoo-wiki.com/Dell_XPS_M1330 |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | he already said that |
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| 02:22.49 | abrotman | hdevalence: i want to know what dmesg | grep -i eth says from debian .. not ubuntu |
| 02:23.11 | xtor_ | http://pastebin.com/d3b2d96b3 <-- there it is, and yes it is an error. Its a complaint error |
| 02:23.14 | asg | abrotman: it probably is a firmware (or lack thereof) issue. |
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| 02:23.26 | abrotman | dunno .. my tg3 works |
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| 02:23.47 | hdevalence | abrotman: yeah, I have an ubuntu install, and I want to try something more challenging. I haven't actually installed debian yet, because it gave me a big red screen saying that it didn't detect the network hardware. |
| 02:23.52 | asg | abrotman: they were broken on sarge |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | asg: mine wasn't! :) |
| 02:24.16 | DawnLight | you might want to see if 2.6.18 has that tigon 3 thing |
| 02:24.19 | abrotman | don't ask me why |
| 02:24.20 | asg | xtor_: because you aren't supposed to be doing that |
| 02:24.22 | abrotman | DawnLight: it does |
| 02:24.23 | |porta| | is there a howto with using a debian system for a gateway? |
| 02:24.40 | |porta| | I need a newbie howto :-) |
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| 02:25.04 | DawnLight | |porta|: try #networking |
| 02:25.07 | dotz | how do u enable bash completion ? |
| 02:25.08 | butler2 | hello folks, noob here, i am trying to get squirrelmail to work with https: however i missing something apache2 -l doesn't show mod_rewrite, and i am left with the task of merging 2 configuration files . i would appreciate some help.http://rafb.net/p/Rxxhpy63.html one configuration file has the config for squirremail and the other has the default config from debian. |
| 02:25.16 | Wyzard | xtor_: You can't install an i386 .deb on amd64 Debian |
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| 02:25.27 | asg | dotz: read ~/.bashrc |
| 02:25.40 | Wyzard | xtor_: (though you could install i386 Debian in a chroot, and install the package there) |
| 02:25.56 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 02:25.56 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 02:26.09 | xtor_ | wouldnt the chroot still be using the amd64 kernel? |
| 02:26.29 | Wyzard | xtor_: Yes, but it's not the kernel that matters, it's all the libraries |
| 02:26.32 | asg | xtor_: the error you are getting is not from the kernel, only from the package management |
| 02:26.43 | dotz | asg: it only have export PS1='\h:\w\$ ' and umask 022 |
| 02:26.48 | Wyzard | xtor_: An amd64 kernel can run 32-bit processes, but 32-bit programs depend on 32-bit libraries |
| 02:27.03 | xtor_ | ok speaking of chroot..can I use some chroot "trick" to install 32 bit skype on my box...since 64 bit skype exists not? |
| 02:27.13 | Wyzard | xtor_: yes, you can use a chroot for that |
| 02:27.20 | asg | dotz: does /etc/skel/.bashrc also only have that? |
| 02:27.34 | shriphani | is ipw2200 supported out of the box ? |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | asg: /etc/bashrc ? |
| 02:28.03 | Wyzard | shriphani: You have to download the firmware file from ipw2200.sourceforge.net and put it in the right directory on the system so the driver can load it |
| 02:28.07 | xtor_ | hrmmm so a 64 bit kernel can live perfectly with a 32 bit /*everything else* minus /boot then? |
| 02:28.07 | Wyzard | shriphani: Other than that, yes |
| 02:28.15 | shriphani | Wyzard: thats it ? |
| 02:28.18 | asg | abrotman: he should have ~/.bashrc that has bash_completion commented out. |
| 02:28.41 | xtor_ | Will Xorg load on that chroot too...cuz skype is an X based app..not a shell based utility |
| 02:28.42 | asg | abrotman: if is ~/.bashrc doesn't have that and /etc/skel/.bashrc doesn't have, he isn't using etch |
| 02:28.57 | Wyzard | xtor_: yes, i386 Debian even has an amd64 kernel available (for taking advantage of the extended capabilities in the kernel, even though userspace isn't) |
| 02:29.07 | dotz | asg: /etc/skel/.bashrc have more than that.. i realise i should have if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion fi in my ~/.bashrc .. but i also found that line in /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | asg: feed him eggs? |
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| 02:29.27 | Wyzard | xtor_: X uses a socket in a subdirectory of /tmp, so you'll have to arrange for the chroot to have the same /tmp as the real system -- bind-mount it or something |
| 02:29.39 | xtor_ | ermmm wait, if i386 debian has an amd64 kernel then it is no longer i386 is it? |
| 02:29.43 | Wyzard | xtor_: there are probably tools for setting that up automatically, though I don't know of any offhand |
| 02:29.58 | asg | dotz: then put the bits you removed from ~/.bashrc that are relevant to bash_completion back and you will be golden |
| 02:29.59 | Wyzard | xtor_: Yes it is, because all the software is 32-bit |
| 02:30.06 | Wyzard | xtor_: The kernel is a relatively small part of the system |
| 02:31.00 | dotz | k that solves it |
| 02:31.01 | Wyzard | xtor_: i386 Debian has all its programs and libraries built for 32-bit x86 processors... it happens to have an /amd64 kernel, just like it has a -686 kernel, -k7 kernel, etc. |
| 02:31.12 | Wyzard | xtor_: oops, -amd64, not /amd64 |
| 02:31.16 | xtor_ | Wyzard so you are telling me my whole foray into 64-bit debian etch was useless(I just needed to see over 4 gigs RAM) and I coulda used the amd64 kernel in the i386 32 bit distro...and had all my compatability as well as 64 bit "extensions"? |
| 02:32.00 | Wyzard | xtor_: You don't need 64-bit to use more than 4GB of physical RAM -- that can be done on a 32-bit kernel with PAE enabled, which are provided by Debian (the "-bigmem" kernels) |
| 02:32.24 | DawnLight | !oops |
| 02:32.25 | dpkg | from memory, oops is "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops |
| 02:32.34 | xtor_ | wyzard I have a bug with my motherboard when it comes to PAE..I just cannot use PAE..it has to be 64 bit otherwise the system slows down to 1/20th normal speed |
| 02:32.49 | Wyzard | xtor_: 64-bit is for providing more than 4GB of virtual address space to processes -- i.e. so individual programs can use more than 4GB of RAM, or can mmap() large files |
| 02:33.04 | DawnLight | xtor_: how about a bios update? |
| 02:33.05 | Wyzard | xtor_: That's pretty weird, but whatever... the -amd64 kernel in i386 Debian should work too |
| 02:33.16 | xtor_ | DawnLight intel has not fixed the BIOS as of yet |
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| 02:33.36 | DawnLight | send them email, the bastards |
| 02:33.48 | xtor_ | Wyzard well it may be wierd but its FACT that all intel 965G chipset motherboards manufactured by intel are fux0red and cannot work with PAE |
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| 02:34.25 | DawnLight | i'm curious as to why you need so much memory |
| 02:34.32 | xtor_ | Wyzard so this amd64 kernel in i386...do I install regular i386 and then "upgrade" to the amd64 kernel via aptitude? |
| 02:34.44 | Wyzard | xtor_: I find that difficult to believe, considering that Intel invented PAE and is generally pretty good at designing chips |
| 02:34.57 | xtor_ | DawnLight originally I was constructing a web server at home to send to a colo...that is why I needed 8 gigs RAM in the box |
| 02:35.02 | Wyzard | xtor_: It's just a package you'd install... linux-image-<version>-amd64 |
| 02:35.15 | xtor_ | Wyzard you want links? Its beyond belief. Its SICKENING! |
| 02:35.52 | dalias | intel good at designing chips??! |
| 02:35.57 | dalias | lol, this has to be a troll... |
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| 02:36.26 | DawnLight | intel ain't good at designing chips? what is good anyway? |
| 02:36.36 | xtor_ | I am so pissed at this guy who recommended intel mobos saying they were "stable" and all that crap |
| 02:36.53 | Wyzard | xtor_: Return it as defective and get a different one, then |
| 02:36.54 | Overclock_Orange | 2/wc 8 |
| 02:36.59 | xtor_ | Gawd I shoulda gone with either an AMD solution or Nvidia chipsets but noooo I had to get that core2duo |
| 02:36.59 | Wyzard | xtor_: Supermicro makes good server boards |
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| 02:37.16 | xtor_ | Wyzard very nice thought except I got a feeling intel will tell me to go fk myself |
| 02:37.18 | butler2 | hello folks, noob here, i am trying to get squirrelmail to work with https: however i missing something apache2 -l doesn't show mod_rewrite, and i am left with the task of merging 2 configuration files . i would appreciate some help.http://rafb.net/p/Rxxhpy63.html one configuration file has the config for squirremail and the other has the default config from debian. |
| 02:37.40 | xtor_ | since officially its not defective due to manufacturing, just handicapped due to design |
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| 02:38.15 | freezer | hi |
| 02:38.23 | Wyzard | xtor_: Still, it fails to work properly at something that anyone would reasonably expect it to, and you weren't warned in advance of the limitation |
| 02:38.28 | freezer | is it possible to repeair damaged tar.gz archives? |
| 02:38.31 | Wyzard | xtor_: I'd call that defective |
| 02:38.37 | freezer | *repair |
| 02:38.55 | Wyzard | xtor_: The C2D itself is fine though... I've been running amd64 Debian on one since January |
| 02:38.55 | xtor_ | Wyzard if you don't believe me have a look at this thread, a dozen people being bitch-slapped around by intel tech support while they laugh at us all: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=157232&page=2&pp=15 |
| 02:39.18 | xtor_ | Wyzard you probably dont run it with PAE then |
| 02:39.32 | Wyzard | xtor_: No, I run it 64-bit so PAE doesn't apply |
| 02:39.53 | Wyzard | xtor_: I'm just saying, it's not a problem with the processor, it's (apparently) a problem with the board |
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| 02:40.09 | xtor_ | right I run it 64 bit too because PAE doesnt work...go ahead and try installing 32 bit debian with PAE enabled just for a laugh..it will slow down to 1/20th normal speed |
| 02:40.09 | Wyzard | xtor_: I have a P965 chipset too, btw |
| 02:40.32 | xtor_ | Wyzard its a problem with the BIOS + 965 chipset together... |
| 02:40.34 | Clinton__ | What is the debian command that "holds hands" with a ./configure scripts to load any necessary lib packages? |
| 02:40.55 | Wyzard | xtor_: My board is from Abit, though, not Intel |
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| 02:41.04 | xtor_ | speaking of which..since M$ seems to have "patched" their kernel is there a place where I can recommend the "patch" to the debian kernel folks? |
| 02:41.27 | Wyzard | xtor_: What "patched" Windows kernel are you talking about? |
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| 02:41.46 | xtor_ | Wyzard read this post: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=841840&postcount=25 |
| 02:42.15 | Wyzard | xtor_: OK, so a buggy BIOS |
| 02:42.28 | xtor_ | This guy did his own "kernel patch" to fix some gaping memory hole..I think debian should distro that patch as a kernel update to rescue all the 965 users who are plagued with intel mobo/BIOS combos |
| 02:42.37 | Wyzard | xtor_: Happens sometimes... I upgraded my BIOS a few days ago and my SATA controller stopped working properly, so I had to downgrade it again |
| 02:43.07 | xtor_ | M$ seems to have fixed the Vista kernel to adapt itself to this buggy BIOS and remap its memory addresses..so shouldn't debian try to do the same? |
| 02:43.11 | Wyzard | xtor_: if it worked with an older BIOS revision, it's not a broken board, it's a BIOS bug... pester Intel to release an update that fixes it |
| 02:43.39 | DawnLight | i'm going to help with linuxbios testing. i think the pheonix/award era has got to end |
| 02:44.16 | xtor_ | Wyzard intel doesnt seem to care...and it looks like they fixed it to work with windows or bill gates fixed windows to work with intel but if you read that thread intel has noooo intention of fixing this bug. So the linux community has to do it |
| 02:44.18 | Wyzard | I'd be interested in trying out LinuxBIOS, but I'd be worried about bricking a motherboard by flashing a BIOS onto it without being absolutely certain it's compatible |
| 02:44.51 | DawnLight | the drill is to get hold of another bios chip |
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| 02:45.25 | xtor_ | you would need an EEPROM burner to rescue yourself from disaster I presume. Needless to say that would also wreck your warranty. |
| 02:45.29 | DawnLight | and a tool for popping it out of the socket |
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| 02:45.49 | DawnLight | no one will know ! |
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| 02:46.44 | Clinton__ | What is the debian command that "holds hands" with a ./configure scripts to load any necessary lib packages? |
| 02:47.38 | Wyzard | Clinton__: I haven't heard of anything that magically detects what libraries are needed by a configure script and installs the packages which provide them |
| 02:48.00 | Clinton__ | Wyzard: there is a tool that does it.. I just can't remember it for the life of me. |
| 02:48.08 | Wyzard | Clinton__: There's "apt-get build-dep" which installs the build dependencies for a *package*, which can be helpful if you're recompiling the package from source |
| 02:48.20 | Wyzard | Clinton__: but that won't work for arbitrary configure scripts that aren't part of a package |
| 02:48.46 | Clinton__ | Wyzard: I've used it before, it somehow detects which libraries are needed |
| 02:49.36 | Wyzard | Clinton__: There's also dpkg-shlibdeps, which detects which libraries a compiled program needs (i.e. after you've already configured and built it) and determines what Debian packages provide those libraries |
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| 02:49.49 | Wyzard | Clinton__: That's used when building a package, to make the package depend on the appropriate library packages |
| 02:49.55 | Wyzard | Clinton__: but again, that doesn't help with a raw configure script |
| 02:50.36 | Clinton__ | Wyzard: I'm aware of that, however, this tool *just worked* |
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| 02:50.53 | DawnLight | its sleepy sleep sleepy sleepy sleep sleep time for me! yey folks! chaka-chaka bless you! |
| 02:50.54 | Wyzard | Clinton__: Never heard of any such thing, sorry |
| 02:51.11 | Clinton__ | k |
| 02:51.27 | Wyzard | Clinton__: A configure script doesn't explicitly declare, in a machine-readable way, what libraries it "needs" anyway, afaik |
| 02:52.23 | Clinton__ | Wyzard: Just believe me when I say it *just worked*. When I do find the damn tool again I will let you know. |
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| 02:53.33 | jmichaelx | can anyone tell me if rt2500 based wireless adaptors generall work out of the box on a default debian install? |
| 02:54.25 | abrotman | no |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | !info rt2500-source etch |
| 02:54.43 | dpkg | rt2500-source: (RT2500 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (etch), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | you would build it with m-a |
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| 02:56.51 | necronekostar | anyone know of a good resource on how to make a custom livecd ? |
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| 02:56.55 | rtmex | Hello all, I'm newbie. I'm trying this: date -d Oct 17 2007 +%m/%d/%Y but it's not working |
| 02:57.45 | jmichaelx | ty abrotman |
| 02:57.45 | rtmex | All I want to do is convert Oct 17 2007 to 10/17/2007 |
| 02:58.05 | butler2 | hello folks, noob here, i am trying to get squirrelmail to work with https: however i missing something apache2 -l doesn't show mod_rewrite, and i am left with the task of merging 2 configuration files . i would appreciate some help.http://rafb.net/p/Rxxhpy63.html one configuration file has the config for squirremail and the other has the default config from debian. |
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| 02:58.39 | butler2 | i don't quite know how to manage the virtual host setting |
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| 03:14.11 | omg0 | I have such a basic, simple, neophyte question that I am embarrassed to be asking for help |
| 03:14.20 | dalias | well ask |
| 03:14.36 | omg0 | can someone give me some help with printing to a shared printer on a windows box |
| 03:14.50 | dalias | thats not a neophyte question |
| 03:15.33 | dalias | the answer will involve smbclient and possibly /etc/printcap, but i've not done it in a long long time so i don't remember |
| 03:15.53 | dalias | if you're using cups as your printing system it might have a newbie-friendly setup system for windows shared printers |
| 03:16.51 | necronekostar | omg0 http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html might help |
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| 03:17.04 | omg0 | don't know if I am using as I am still not that savy on this thing |
| 03:17.35 | omg0 | ah. Of course I have to research it. Seems none of my issues are ever simple 1,2 stuff |
| 03:18.13 | CunningLinguist | omg0: samba? |
| 03:20.08 | necronekostar | seems pretty streightforward to me.. install correct drivers, install cups and samba, check that you can 'see' the shared printer / connect via samba to winbox, setup cups to use that remote printer |
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| 03:25.57 | chuck | hi, for some reason, i keep getting a relay not permitted error on my mail server |
| 03:26.05 | chuck | i'm using exim4, anyone know the problem |
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| 03:29.23 | dalias | chuck, you need to explicitly configure which ip addresses you'll relay mail for |
| 03:29.31 | dalias | please be EXTREMELY careful doing so |
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| 03:29.56 | dalias | if you misconfigure it, you'll be sending 100 million enlargement pill messages as soon as some spamming idiot finds your server |
| 03:30.01 | dalias | (which won't be terribly long) |
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| 03:31.14 | chuck | dalias: i want to relay mail for any ip address, is that possible? |
| 03:31.43 | \amethyst | chuck: be sure to let the people at SORBS know your IP address |
| 03:31.58 | chuck | well how would the best way to do this be then |
| 03:32.04 | dalias | chuck, DO NOT DO THAT |
| 03:32.15 | dalias | absolutely do not do that |
| 03:32.16 | civillian | yeh why do that chuck? |
| 03:32.20 | dalias | and do not ask us for help doing that |
| 03:32.25 | civillian | are you a spammers friend? |
| 03:32.30 | dalias | it's the #1 malicious thing you can do on the internet |
| 03:32.53 | \amethyst | chuck: Do you plan on requiring authentication before relaying? |
| 03:33.33 | chuck | \amethyst: if possible, that would be nice |
| 03:33.45 | \amethyst | chuck: what is your use case? |
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| 03:34.17 | chuck | \amethyst: it's for a shell server |
| 03:34.28 | \amethyst | ... |
| 03:35.11 | \amethyst | you're not helping your case :) |
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| 03:35.32 | chuck | okay i just need to get my mail server working again, but i can't find then problem with it |
| 03:35.43 | chuck | i've tried reconfiguring it the way i configured it before, but no luck |
| 03:36.09 | \amethyst | chuck: has the hostname changed? |
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| 03:36.48 | chuck | \amethyst: yeah, i did just change the hostname because some blacklist was blocking me because of a hostname mess up |
| 03:36.51 | chuck | brb |
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| 03:37.21 | \amethyst | I think maybe some blacklist was blocking your because some of your users are spammers? |
| 03:37.28 | \amethyst | Or do you not have users yet? |
| 03:38.31 | chuck | okay back |
| 03:38.59 | chuck | and no, the blacklist was blocking me because of the hostname thing, it told me that i needed to change the hostname to the full name to get unlisted |
| 03:39.14 | civillian | chuck: so when you send mail, you get a bounce message? |
| 03:39.26 | chuck | and i just started the mail server up a few weeks ago and i've been monitoring it, so it's not a spam issue |
| 03:39.53 | \amethyst | chuck: so incoming mails to your domain are bouncing? |
| 03:39.54 | chuck | civillian: if i telnet to the server, i can do HELO and RCPT TO:, but after i do the MAIL FROM:<blah> part, it gives me a relay not permitted message |
| 03:40.01 | chuck | \amethyst: not sure of that yet |
| 03:40.03 | chuck | i'll test it |
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| 03:40.20 | \amethyst | chuck: so what are you using as the RCPT TO: ? |
| 03:40.44 | \amethyst | chuck: someone in the domain that you're receiving mail for, or an outside domain? |
| 03:40.59 | chuck | for rcpt to, i'm doing <charlie@unixpod.com> (me) |
| 03:41.03 | chuck | or no, |
| 03:41.12 | chuck | i'm doing my other email address for rcpt to |
| 03:41.14 | \amethyst | chuck: and is this the mail server for unixpod.com? |
| 03:41.17 | chuck | yes |
| 03:41.51 | chuck | \amethyst: okay i got a test message that was sent to me from my other email |
| 03:42.56 | \amethyst | chuck: Does exim know it's the mail server for unixpod.com? That should be in the local_domains |
| 03:43.01 | civillian | chuck: relay not permitted means either a) the server isn't configured to accept mail for the domain unixpod.com, and/or b) your IP which you use to connect to the server isn't allowed to relay.. to ANY domain. |
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| 03:43.49 | civillian | ok so that counts out a) probably... |
| 03:44.08 | chuck | yeah i think i set it up so that unixpod.com was in local domains |
| 03:44.20 | \amethyst | chuck: so where were you sending the mail from that got rejected? |
| 03:44.29 | \amethyst | chuck: somewhere other than the accepted one? |
| 03:44.33 | civillian | check to see that your private subnet is allowed to relay to any domain.. not sure how in exim as I use sendmail and postfix |
| 03:44.48 | \amethyst | chuck: just to verify, is your server 12.206.255.36 ? |
| 03:45.04 | chuck | yes |
| 03:45.17 | civillian | chuck: when you telnet port 25, which hostname do you use? eg telnet [hostname] 25? |
| 03:45.22 | chuck | \amethyst: i was sending it to my google apps for domains email or whatever |
| 03:45.25 | chuck | unixpod.com |
| 03:45.46 | civillian | do you have shell access?? if so, try telnet localhost 25 |
| 03:45.53 | civillian | afaik, localhost is always allowed to relay |
| 03:45.58 | civillian | or it should be |
| 03:46.01 | chuck | yes, localhost worked, i already tried that one |
| 03:46.09 | civillian | ok then i rekon i'm right :P |
| 03:46.25 | civillian | in sendmail, you need a line like 192.168.100 RELAY |
| 03:46.30 | dalias | civillian, if you have a shell server, you should firewall outgoing port 25 unless it comes from a process owned by root |
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| 03:46.45 | dalias | errm i meant chuck |
| 03:46.55 | \amethyst | chuck: I was able to connect and send a mail |
| 03:47.03 | chuck | where did you send it to? |
| 03:47.13 | Clinton__ | anyone in here running debian unstable? Could you please execute "apt-cache search g15" and tell me what you get? |
| 03:47.14 | chuck | okay i got it |
| 03:47.25 | \amethyst | chuck: where were you coming from when it got blocked? |
| 03:47.35 | chuck | my computer |
| 03:47.42 | dalias | \amethyst, connect to his server and send a few hundred enlargement pill mails to some anti-spam fanatics :) |
| 03:47.46 | \amethyst | chuck: your home computer? |
| 03:47.49 | chuck | yes |
| 03:47.49 | dalias | then it'll get blacklisted :P |
| 03:47.57 | \amethyst | chuck: Maybe your home computer is blacklisted |
| 03:48.03 | chuck | hmm |
| 03:48.10 | chuck | i'll try sending the mail from another computer |
| 03:48.20 | \amethyst | chuck: Frankly, I'm surprised it accepted my mail, since I have a dynamic IP |
| 03:48.32 | \amethyst | however, my HELO did resolve to my IP |
| 03:48.38 | Tallu | Clinton__: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 03:48.47 | dalias | as long as HELO is valid dynamic ip should not be rejected |
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| 03:48.58 | Guerin | yay for broken dns lookups in sid |
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| 03:49.11 | \amethyst | dalias: lots of servers block all mail from dynamic IPs, regardless of HELO |
| 03:49.11 | Clinton__ | Tallu: yea.. I thought of that the moment after I asked, I'm actually there and estatic to see what I'm looking for in unstable |
| 03:49.24 | chuck | i still get a relay not permitted when i do it from another computer (different internet), rcpt to:my alternet email, mail from:charlie@unixpod.com |
| 03:49.52 | dalias | \amethyst, yes, there are lots of misguided anti-spam nazis in this world with bogus fascist ideas about who should be allowed to send mail |
| 03:49.57 | \amethyst | dalias: I have a list called fascist_domains in my exim config of domains that won't take email directly from me, but will take email sent through my ISP's SMTP |
| 03:50.05 | dalias | haha |
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| 03:51.03 | \amethyst | dalias: the list includes earthlink, netzero, lycos, microsoft, yahoo, gmail, google, hotmail, my ISP, and a number of universities |
| 03:51.21 | \amethyst | dalias: Unfortunately I can't just stop sending email to those addresses :( |
| 03:51.27 | civillian | I thought SORBS was compiling a list of dynamic IPs and if you used their lists, no-one running private mailservers could send; thus requiring the use of the ISP SMTP |
| 03:51.42 | dalias | sorbs is extremely evil |
| 03:51.52 | dalias | someone needs to prosecute them for extortion |
| 03:51.54 | Guerin | yes, extremely |
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| 03:52.00 | \amethyst | the reason I think the idea is fascist is that, per US law, your ISP can do whatever they want with your email |
| 03:52.15 | \amethyst | since it's stored on their servers, it's not considered a wiretap |
| 03:52.19 | chuck | \amethyst: will making a cname for mail.unixpod.com to mail.mchsi.com (my isp) work for now to fix my problems? |
| 03:52.45 | dalias | chuck, to allow your 'customers' to send mail? |
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| 03:52.51 | Tallu | Clinton__: nice to see that they've made progress in that area too. :) I happen to own a g15 as well |
| 03:52.53 | chuck | yes |
| 03:52.58 | Guerin | man, my internets is way fucked |
| 03:53.04 | dalias | chuck, no, of course not, unless your isp runs an open relay |
| 03:53.09 | chuck | they do |
| 03:53.14 | dalias | i don't think so |
| 03:53.19 | chuck | i think s |
| 03:53.20 | chuck | o |
| 03:53.20 | dalias | if so they'd be blocked by everyone |
| 03:53.35 | Clinton__ | Tallu: yea, I'm trying to get the damn thing to work on AMD64 under Ubuntu, no luck, g15composer just won't compile |
| 03:53.37 | dalias | your isp surely only accepts mail from its own customers |
| 03:53.50 | \amethyst | I can't even connect to mail.mchsi.com |
| 03:53.52 | chuck | dalias: last time i checked it was open |
| 03:53.57 | Clinton__ | now I'm tempted to revert back to true Debian |
| 03:54.02 | chuck | yep, it's open |
| 03:54.03 | dalias | chuck, last time i checked you don't seem qualified to check... |
| 03:54.11 | dalias | chuck, do you have any idea what open means? |
| 03:54.13 | chuck | then check yourself |
| 03:54.15 | chuck | yes i do |
| 03:54.20 | dalias | \amethyst just did |
| 03:54.23 | dalias | he says it's not |
| 03:54.36 | chuck | ? |
| 03:54.44 | dalias | <\amethyst> I can't even connect to mail.mchsi.com |
| 03:54.47 | dalias | same here |
| 03:54.55 | chuck | h/o |
| 03:54.58 | chuck | wha? |
| 03:55.09 | chuck | yeah the server is unbearably slow |
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| 03:55.23 | dalias | i don't think this is slowness.. |
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| 03:55.39 | grendal_prime | mylex raid controller. |
| 03:56.17 | grendal_prime | i got it up and working i think...now when i cat the /proc for partitions i get that it see s it...here let me get what it sees |
| 03:56.23 | SerajewelKS | is there an alternative to istanbul that doesn't freeze? |
| 03:56.52 | maxamillion | anyone had any experience using KVpnc to connect to PPTP VPN networks? (i ask only because i am considering switching my laptop to kde if i can get such functionality |
| 03:57.00 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.08 | grendal_prime | how the hell do i mount that though?\ |
| 03:57.17 | chuck | dalias: well i just sent a letter to myself as bill gates, so i'm thinking it's an open relay |
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| 03:57.35 | civillian | chuck: thats not an open relay :P |
| 03:57.47 | dalias | chuck, ok you're just proving your ignorance now.... |
| 03:58.05 | dalias | your "From:" address is irrelevant |
| 03:58.08 | omg0 | do you think I might be able to find drivers for a Lexmark 4029 printer for debian |
| 03:58.08 | civillian | usually not much sender checking is done.... its all about the RCPT TO and which IP is trying to run that command |
| 03:58.43 | grendal_prime | wow its frigging cold in here |
| 03:58.45 | civillian | chuck: what you were talking about before, allowing relaying for all IPs, THATS an open relay |
| 03:58.49 | \amethyst | omg0: 4029 as in old laser? |
| 03:59.03 | civillian | it accepts delivery for any RCPT TO |
| 03:59.06 | civillian | no matter the IP |
| 03:59.15 | civillian | theres the danger |
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| 03:59.27 | civillian | see? |
| 03:59.29 | grendal_prime | anyone know anything about raid controllers in here ...especially mylex mdac 960's ? |
| 03:59.34 | omg0 | \amethyst, yah. Thats what I have hooked up to my win2k box |
| 03:59.45 | junix-other | i know this is really simple, but i've forgotten how to disable a user account from the command line |
| 04:00.02 | junix-other | what do i put in the /etc/passwd file? |
| 04:00.10 | civillian | shell=/bin/false |
| 04:00.17 | omg0 | \amethyst, trying to print to it from my daughter's computer |
| 04:00.25 | civillian | or just set /bin/bash to /bin/false |
| 04:00.28 | rtmex | Does anyone know how to convert a date in format Oct 12 2007 to 10/12/2007 ? |
| 04:00.45 | grendal_prime | with bash? |
| 04:00.53 | grendal_prime | or...what lang rtmex |
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| 04:01.08 | rtmex | grendel_prime : bash |
| 04:01.10 | grendal_prime | i useually am using php for that sort of stuff...you can do it with perl as well |
| 04:01.12 | civillian | rtmex: date can do it i believe |
| 04:01.16 | grendal_prime | not sure probably date |
| 04:01.21 | junix-other | civillian: is that the only way? |
| 04:01.32 | grendal_prime | werid question |
| 04:01.34 | grendal_prime | ok... |
| 04:01.52 | grendal_prime | sooo does anyone out there use a raid at all?\ |
| 04:01.54 | rtmex | I'm trying date -d Oct 12 2007 +%m/%d/%Y |
| 04:01.57 | \amethyst | omg0: I've got a 4039... I used foomatic to generate a PPD for it |
| 04:02.05 | civillian | Judgen_: no, PHP and just about any lang can do it |
| 04:02.09 | rtmex | but it does not work, I don't know what is missing |
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| 04:02.38 | grendal_prime | allright im out |
| 04:03.21 | \amethyst | omg0: Does the 4029 do postscript? |
| 04:03.29 | omg0 | \amethyst, yes it does |
| 04:04.01 | omg0 | \amethyst, does practically everything the 4039 does. |
| 04:04.11 | civillian | rtmex: try playing around with this statement: date +%m/%d/%y-%H%M |
| 04:04.28 | civillian | play around with the format until its what you want |
| 04:04.39 | civillian | note that it uses the current system date as input |
| 04:04.56 | rtmex | civillian with date it works, but I don't want the system date, but a date I get read from a file :) |
| 04:05.01 | \amethyst | omg0: Then cups + foomatic + the right PPD should be all you need |
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| 04:06.00 | \amethyst | omg0: I would recommend using a PPD generated by foomatic and *not* the manufacturer PPD; I never had any luck with the latter |
| 04:06.03 | nepbabu | see ya all later |
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| 04:06.39 | rtmex | civillian: date +%m/%d/%Y works fine, but not date -d Oct 17 2007 + %m/%d%Y |
| 04:06.40 | Guerin | hm, my isp's nameserver just stopped working for some reason |
| 04:06.50 | omg0 | \amethyst, how do I get the foomatic driver? |
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| 04:07.16 | omg0 | \amethyst, I don't see it as one of the options |
| 04:07.51 | \amethyst | hmm... moment |
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| 04:08.38 | \amethyst | omg0: try IBM 4029 |
| 04:09.16 | \amethyst | omg0: as far as I know the badge is all that changed about those printers when Lexmark was spun off |
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| 04:10.39 | \amethyst | omg0: there are two entries, one IBM 4029 10P, and one IBM 4029 030 LaserPrinter 10.... you probably want the first one, since that's the Postscript driver |
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| 04:13.22 | omg0 | \amethyst, when I go to CUPS, I don't see Lexmark as a munufacturer |
| 04:14.40 | omg0 | \amethyst, I see Dymo, HP, Raw, Okidata, HP |
| 04:15.12 | omg0 | \amethyst, Zebra and Epson |
| 04:16.27 | \amethyst | omg0: in the "make/manufacturer" dialogue? |
| 04:16.40 | \amethyst | err, s/dialogue/selection box/ |
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| 04:22.03 | omg0 | \amethyst, you lost me on that 'make/manufacturer". I don't have such a directory and I don't get that dialogue |
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| 04:23.26 | SerajewelKS | oh my god |
| 04:23.26 | \amethyst | omg0: then I have no clue what's going on, sorry... cups has never been my high point |
| 04:23.30 | SerajewelKS | cinelerra is a piece of shit |
| 04:23.45 | omg0 | bummer |
| 04:23.50 | SerajewelKS | is there a decent NLE i can use to edit together an audio and a video file? |
| 04:24.11 | omg0 | \amethyst, its not in SAMBA either |
| 04:24.21 | SerajewelKS | cinelerra is segfaulting all over itself |
| 04:24.43 | omg0 | is it posible for you to find the driver file on yours and send it to me |
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| 04:26.12 | omg0 | \amethyst, is it possible to find the 4029 driver and yours and send it to me |
| 04:26.56 | kgoetz | SerajewelKS: did you build from soure? |
| 04:27.40 | SerajewelKS | kgoetz: no, i'm using debian-multimedia |
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| 04:28.20 | kgoetz | SerajewelKS: ok, i'll check it out (i didnt want to buid from source) |
| 04:28.59 | \amethyst | omg0: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/IBM-4029_10P.ppd |
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| 04:29.25 | \amethyst | omg0: That's the one from foomatic |
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| 04:30.28 | omg0 | \amethyst, thanks. What directory is it saved in. I want to save mine in the exact named |
| 04:31.04 | \amethyst | omg0: /etc/cups/ppd/<printername>.ppd |
| 04:31.19 | \amethyst | omg0: where <printername> is its name in cups, not the model number |
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| 04:32.23 | \amethyst | omg0: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/my-4039.ppd is the one I use for the 4039, but beware that I've modified it to default to Level1 conversion, because my printer is losing its mind |
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| 04:32.46 | omg0 | \amethyst, is this foomatic thing a debian thing that I can use apt to get? |
| 04:33.36 | red | does anyone know how I define the ip address that I want to get as a client in openVPN ... I always get 10.8.0.6 although this isn't explicity specified anywhere ... |
| 04:33.56 | grendal_prime | ok...this raid business is a bitch |
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| 04:34.26 | \amethyst | omg0: cupsys recommends foomatic-filters, which recommends foomatic-db-engine |
| 04:36.38 | \amethyst | omg0: there's also foomatic-gui and, if you want to cut all the bullshit, foomatic-filters-ppd, which has *all* the PPDs :) |
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| 04:37.51 | omg0 | \amethyst, well it says I have the latest cupsys |
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| 04:39.09 | omg0 | \amethyst, removing cupsys to re-install and see if it will give foomatic as recommendation |
| 04:39.23 | \amethyst | recommends aren't always installed... try installing it manually |
| 04:39.34 | \amethyst | "manually" with apt-get or aptitude, that is |
| 04:39.41 | \amethyst | no sense uninstalling cupsys |
| 04:40.03 | omg0 | did already |
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| 04:40.47 | omg0 | wow foomatic was there |
| 04:41.23 | omg0 | no it wasn't. It installed it now |
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| 04:47.40 | omg0 | it didn't add them. I am installing them manually |
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| 04:49.44 | suki | how do i configure the apt source list (forgive me i am new), i skipped that step during the installation |
| 04:50.12 | kgoetz | suki: /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor |
| 04:50.22 | dondelelcaro | suki: man 5 sources.list; for details of the format |
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| 04:50.33 | kgoetz | or synaptic/software properties iin gnomes administration menu |
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| 04:51.39 | suki | i have 2 lines in that, deb and deb-src |
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| 04:51.46 | suki | i assume i have to add more lines? |
| 04:51.58 | wols | !tell suki about sources.list |
| 04:52.13 | wols | suki: if you have only security in there, then yes |
| 04:52.48 | suki | i have only security |
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| 04:56.38 | dondelelcaro | suki: then pick a mirror that is closest to you, /msg dpkg mirrors; if you don't know where they are, and construct a sources.list line |
| 04:56.46 | dondelelcaro | suki: if you get stuck, show us your attempt, and we'll help you. |
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| 04:58.09 | omg0 | \amethyst, thanks man. It's not working yet but I am reading the stuff of the drivers, that GutenPrint seems to have all the popular printers in it |
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| 05:01.33 | suki | im from singapore, i see one waaay down :) |
| 05:01.43 | suki | how do i add it in the source.list |
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| 05:02.17 | suki | mirror.nus.edu.sg /pub/Debian /Debian/ amd64 i386 |
| 05:02.40 | Guerin | man sources.list |
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| 05:04.52 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 05:04.59 | Ben_Cs | is there VLC on debian? |
| 05:06.32 | linio | yes |
| 05:06.58 | suki | deb ftp://mirror.nus.edu.sg/pub/Debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 05:07.02 | suki | does this look ok? |
| 05:07.38 | CunningLinguist | dont forget the deb ... :P |
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| 05:08.49 | Ben_Cs | ok thanks |
| 05:08.59 | suki | am i missing anything? :) |
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| 05:11.23 | suki | well i get errors with that |
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| 05:11.34 | Ben_Cs | BTW in addition to the default repositories that i get when i install debian, are the other repos i should add? |
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| 05:12.23 | wols | why would you want others? |
| 05:12.25 | CunningLinguist | it depends on how stable and secure you want your system. also depending on what you want installed. |
| 05:13.04 | CunningLinguist | there used to be apt.org that had specific repositories depending on what you want |
| 05:14.05 | omg0 | when you put the IP address for a shared printer on a w2k box; do you have to put \\ or // |
| 05:14.27 | omg0 | I am trying to set up SMB |
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| 05:14.39 | omg0 | filling in the host box |
| 05:15.04 | Ben_Cs | well, i just want all the stable programms but ALL of them (including non free etc) |
| 05:15.11 | omg0 | \amethyst, I tried the cups but not seeming to get through |
| 05:16.12 | omg0 | \amethyst, I am not sure where it is breaking down. I am able to ping the host. I have file and print sharing turned on on the w2k box |
| 05:16.13 | dacs | civillian: am back |
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| 05:16.52 | CunningLinguist | is cups running? /etc/init.d/cupsd stop|start |
| 05:17.00 | dacs | \amethyst: what are you trying to do |
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| 05:18.03 | CunningLinguist | netstat | grep cups |
| 05:18.51 | niru | dondelelcaro, r u there |
| 05:19.06 | niru | dondelelcaro, how about bug tracking system that u told |
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| 05:19.44 | streuner | !ask |
| 05:19.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:20.05 | helo | is it possible that installing a backport using the "simple sid backport" method could cause my stdlib headers to not match my stdlib binaries? |
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| 05:21.09 | osphy | I am running a program in background like ./xyz & but when I close the terminal that process is getting killed how to keep that process running all the time in background ? |
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| 05:21.42 | tw-nym | Change the input and output pipes by redirecting them. |
| 05:22.00 | tw-nym | For example ./xyz &> /dev/null </dev/null & |
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| 05:24.47 | streuner | niru: what about BTS? |
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| 05:26.27 | streuner | !bts |
| 05:26.27 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 05:26.32 | dondelelcaro | niru: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
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| 05:31.07 | streuner | Isn't that only important for RM's? |
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| 05:32.32 | jeezmos | When I try to use vi on debian, the keys don't seem to match up For example, I press the End key, and it capitalizes the character I'm hovering. Other things (like pressing u only works once; the 2nd time I press u, it re-does that edit. Does anyone know what I'm talking about/experienced this? |
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| 05:33.48 | dondelelcaro | streuner: no |
| 05:33.54 | streuner | hm |
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| 05:34.07 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that's useful for anyone who wants to know what bugs they should be helping out with |
| 05:34.23 | jeezmos | oh, I should mention this is in an SSH session. |
| 05:34.58 | dondelelcaro | jeezmos: uh... are you using nvi or vim? |
| 05:35.00 | CunningLinguist | vi has always been that way-part of learning the quirks of vi |
| 05:35.21 | omg0 | CunningLinguist, Sorry for not responding more immediate. I went to turn off firewall to make sure it was not a problem |
| 05:35.27 | dacs | sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=administrator,password= //192.168.1.101/samba /home/windrive |
| 05:35.38 | omg0 | CunningLinguist, yes cups is running |
| 05:35.42 | dacs | ^^whats wrong with the above |
| 05:35.42 | hark | jeezmos: try with "vim file" |
| 05:35.58 | omg0 | CunningLinguist, cups is where i am getting the drivers for the printer from |
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| 05:36.59 | CunningLinguist | wish I could be more help with that, i have never tried what you are attepting to do |
| 05:36.59 | jeezmos | I've used vi on redhat/centos for a while, and things work there (or at least I've gotten used to how it works there). I'm familiar enough with it to prefer it (over something like nano). debian-based vi just doesn't seem to work like redhat-based vi. |
| 05:37.08 | streuner | dondelelcaro: sure... |
| 05:37.13 | jeezmos | dondelelcaro: vi (not enhanced) |
| 05:37.29 | dondelelcaro | jeezmos: we don't distribute vi |
| 05:37.35 | CunningLinguist | vi on redhat is probably vim |
| 05:37.43 | tw-nym | It is. |
| 05:37.50 | tw-nym | vim with nocompatibility |
| 05:38.01 | helo | is it possible that installing a backport using the "simple sid backport" method could cause my stdlib headers to not match my stdlib binaries? like if a backport needed to upgrade my standard library... could then some of my .so be using the old, and some the new? |
| 05:38.16 | tw-nym | *nocompatible |
| 05:38.19 | hark | vim.tiny when run as vi is set compatible IIRC. try running it as vim |
| 05:39.15 | jeezmos | tw-nym: nocompatiblity ... interesting. I'll experiment with that. |
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| 05:40.06 | linio | jeezmos: Your terminal settings are correct? |
| 05:40.26 | jeezmos | don't know. where do I look those up on debian? |
| 05:40.43 | linio | echo $TERM |
| 05:40.44 | rdz | is there a way to kill all processes of a certain user? |
| 05:40.55 | linio | rdz: pkill -U user |
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| 05:41.16 | jeezmos | # echo $TERM |
| 05:41.16 | jeezmos | xterm |
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| 05:41.39 | rdz | linio, thnx |
| 05:42.09 | niru | dondelelcaro, r u there |
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| 05:42.14 | niru | I have a doubt |
| 05:42.43 | linio | jeezmos: and ae You using linux terminal or windows putty? |
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| 05:43.08 | CyberMad | i want to install ejabberd stable, from other apt sources... so after i add these: deb http://sgolovan.jabber.ru/debian/ etch main and deb-src http://sgolovan.jabber.ru/debian/ etch main |
| 05:43.20 | rdz | linio, you saved my life.... |
| 05:43.23 | jeezmos | linio: windows putty |
| 05:43.43 | CyberMad | does if i do apt-get install ejabberd will retrieve from http://sgolovan.jabber.ru/debian/ etch main ?? |
| 05:43.44 | rdz | linio, by some strange mistake in my script i started an immense amout of processes |
| 05:43.53 | dondelelcaro | niru: just ask your question |
| 05:44.09 | epsilon | CyberMad: depends on version, pririty... |
| 05:44.11 | linio | rdz: be perfect, don't do mistakes ;) |
| 05:44.26 | epsilon | *priority (pin) |
| 05:44.26 | niru | dondelelcaro, the package abntex bug report shows that #442313: abntex: texlive-latex-recommended is insufficient for Build-Depends |
| 05:44.36 | linio | jeezmos: configure putty - terminal settings etc |
| 05:44.53 | niru | dondelelcaro, so does that mean that that package is not having a .deb package |
| 05:45.12 | niru | or people are unable to build a .deb format for it due to the dependency |
| 05:45.17 | CyberMad | epsilon actually the website said http://sgolovan.jabber.ru/debian/ etch main is ejabberd 1.4 and without it will use 1.2 |
| 05:45.23 | dondelelcaro | "Staedert? I have a doubt." "I don't, Mr. President." |
| 05:45.46 | dondelelcaro | niru: you'd have to look at the bug |
| 05:45.50 | epsilon | CyberMad: if unsure what to do and don't want to mess up with pin, just grab the .deb file and istall manually |
| 05:46.09 | niru | dondelelcaro, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=abntex |
| 05:47.02 | jeezmos | just finished installing vim; it does seem to be reacting more-predictably. :) I'm surpised it was as simple as that. Thanks for your help everyone. |
| 05:47.12 | CyberMad | epsilon i know what to do, but i just want to make sure... i follow this guide: http://www.ejabberd.im/node/5/532 -> http://sgolovan.nes.ru/jabber/ |
| 05:47.28 | dondelelcaro | niru: what about it? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442313 explains what the problem is |
| 05:47.47 | niru | dondelelcaro, s checking |
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| 05:54.22 | empiric | hi all any one works on heimdal Forceful password expiry |
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| 06:12.11 | hark | wow finally an irssi upgrade :) |
| 06:12.14 | grendal_prime | i hate vi |
| 06:12.26 | grendal_prime | nano all the way |
| 06:13.28 | grendal_prime | vi users usually use vi because they had to learn it at one point in their life and they dont want to feel like it was a waist of time.. |
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| 06:14.31 | CunningLinguist | vi is definitely oldschool |
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| 06:14.38 | CyberMad | how to add http://sgolovan.jabber.ru/debian/dists/etch/ to my apt sources list?? |
| 06:14.40 | rdz | yo, is there some nice way to have an enty in crontab, that executes a command every 2hours? or is that only possible by writing 0,2,4,6 etc into it? |
| 06:15.23 | rdz | grendal_prime, it is ironic, but i never really dived into vi, but i am still using it.... |
| 06:15.31 | rdz | still in a very basic manner... |
| 06:15.51 | CyberMad | any help? |
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| 06:15.57 | Riot|AFK | Hey, anyone can recommend me a CLI Torrent Client? |
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| 06:16.04 | robboplus | how is that controlled? |
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| 06:18.00 | CunningLinguist | deluge for gnome, ktorrent i suspect for kde |
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| 06:26.06 | PRIYAN | hello...my modem is of motorola chipset...i cant run it under my debian linux |
| 06:26.14 | PRIYAN | how can i make drive under it |
| 06:26.24 | PRIYAN | is there any idea |
| 06:26.56 | Supaplex | is it attached to a serial port? or is it a pci card? usb device? |
| 06:26.57 | Kevin` | PRIYAN PSTN modem? |
| 06:27.20 | PRIYAN | dial up modem |
| 06:27.29 | PRIYAN | it is in serial port |
| 06:27.43 | Kevin` | if it's a serial port it's probably not a software modem |
| 06:27.59 | Supaplex | PRIYAN: install pppconfig. use pon to connect, poff to disconnect. (man pages are less terse) |
| 06:28.06 | Kevin` | you probably just send normal AT commands to it like any other modem |
| 06:28.07 | PRIYAN | so...i heard that motorola chipset modems doesnt support linux |
| 06:28.20 | Kevin` | PRIYAN not if it's external, or is a full modem |
| 06:28.23 | PRIYAN | i tried pppconfig |
| 06:28.31 | PRIYAN | but didnt detect it |
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| 06:28.35 | Supaplex | PRIYAN: what serial port did you plug it into? |
| 06:28.36 | Kevin` | PRIYAN which serial port is it connected to |
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| 06:28.56 | PRIYAN | it is in COM port |
| 06:29.00 | Supaplex | 'the one on my computer' |
| 06:29.00 | Kevin` | which one |
| 06:29.42 | PRIYAN | in com3 |
| 06:29.57 | Kevin` | try this: |
| 06:30.02 | Kevin` | screen /dev/ttyS2 115200 |
| 06:30.08 | Kevin` | and type AT and press enter |
| 06:30.20 | Kevin` | (with caps) |
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| 06:30.39 | PRIYAN | please explain more |
| 06:30.43 | PRIYAN | i cant understand it |
| 06:30.53 | PRIYAN | currently i am not using linux |
| 06:30.54 | what_if | Is there a way to query a remote machine for its hostname ? DHCP does this, but I want to do it and get a response |
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| 06:31.06 | Supaplex | PRIYAN: then what are you using now? |
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| 06:31.17 | PRIYAN | i am using ms windows |
| 06:31.27 | PRIYAN | i want to use internet from linux |
| 06:31.31 | Beket | Hello everyone. How is debian live cd different from knoppix ? Thank you |
| 06:31.41 | Kevin` | it's going to be hard to help you with this unless you can run linux and be on irc at the same time |
| 06:31.43 | Supaplex | PRIYAN: run msinfo32, save it to an .nfo file |
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| 06:31.53 | Supaplex | !tell Beket -about knoppix |
| 06:32.00 | Kevin` | PRIYAN do you have any other computers? |
| 06:32.01 | RvGaTe^work | morning |
| 06:32.20 | PRIYAN | no |
| 06:32.23 | PRIYAN | i don have |
| 06:32.31 | Supaplex | Beket: the debian-live site should be pretty clear that, debian-live is all debian. uses the offical debian packages, guidelines, etc. |
| 06:32.43 | PRIYAN | yu just explain methods..i will save it in a file and using linux i will acces it and try |
| 06:33.10 | Kevin` | PRIYAN what I want you to do is try sending "AT" to each of the serial ports in linux. the one that answers ok is the modem |
| 06:33.17 | Supaplex | PRIYAN: if we can have a copy of the nfo file, We can get a better more clear cut idea of your hardware situation. |
| 06:33.17 | Beket | Thank you Supaplex. Now it is pretty clear to me. |
| 06:33.46 | PRIYAN | i did save a copy of nfo file here in windows |
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| 06:33.59 | PRIYAN | so what command shall i issue from linux |
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| 06:34.30 | Supaplex | PRIYAN: last one I saw was an xml file. open it with wordpad/notepad etc, and post it to rafb.net/paste |
| 06:34.32 | Kevin` | ooh, I have an 8-bit full length isa modem here |
| 06:34.37 | Kevin` | I wonder if that still works |
| 06:34.44 | Supaplex | Kevin`: back I say back! evil!!!! |
| 06:34.50 | Kevin` | hahahaha |
| 06:35.10 | Kevin` | I don't have any isa slots in this computer |
| 06:35.11 | Kevin` | Hmm. |
| 06:35.27 | Supaplex | "Daddy, what's ISA, PCI and AGP? Are they old like you?" *ouch* |
| 06:35.40 | kgoetz | lol |
| 06:36.34 | Kevin` | can you use a modem for a link directly to another modem without the phone network (and dialtone, power, and such) |
| 06:36.59 | Supaplex | Kevin`: as in long-haul? |
| 06:37.06 | Kevin` | yeah |
| 06:37.14 | Supaplex | Kevin`: what kind of distance are you considering? |
| 06:37.21 | Kevin` | Supaplex 5 feet |
| 06:37.28 | Kevin` | (for testing) |
| 06:37.28 | Supaplex | use a null modem cable. |
| 06:37.35 | Kevin` | but I want to use a modem :) |
| 06:37.53 | Supaplex | uhm.. ok. you can, but I don't recall excatly what's entailed. |
| 06:38.15 | h3sp4wn | You can use baseband modems in such a case definately |
| 06:38.18 | CyberMad | how to add http://sgolovan.jabber.ru/debian/dists/etch/ to my apt sources list?? |
| 06:38.25 | SpeedyG | hm, this is getting kinda scary... on one chan talking about serial terminals, on the other about old-fasion ISA / modem stuff :p |
| 06:38.35 | Kevin` | SpeedyG which channel? |
| 06:38.40 | SpeedyG | Kevin`: other net |
| 06:38.52 | Supaplex | which net? |
| 06:38.59 | SpeedyG | atheme |
| 06:39.01 | \amethyst | That's funny, I was just talking about XON/XOFF in #bash |
| 06:39.36 | \amethyst | ^Q |
| 06:39.53 | Supaplex | !xoff |
| 06:40.05 | Supaplex | ok, ^Q :) |
| 06:40.37 | SpeedyG | a few years ago, I used to know some of that stuff too.. I just kinda forgot it all :( |
| 06:40.38 | PRIYAN | which is the command to be issued to send AT |
| 06:40.38 | h3sp4wn | SpeedyG: vt520's are quite nice and less hassle if you want one cli login at all times than trying to use 2 keyboards and mice |
| 06:40.46 | Kevin` | SpeedyG I use my pda as a serial terminal, if that helps your day |
| 06:40.59 | Supaplex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xoff |
| 06:41.03 | h3sp4wn | SpeedyG: (and 2 screens) and stuff like the hardware scrolling is nice |
| 06:41.41 | PRIYAN | debhelper: hello |
| 06:41.56 | Kevin` | PRIYAN screen /dev/ttyS# 38400 |
| 06:42.00 | Kevin` | replace # with a number |
| 06:42.06 | SpeedyG | h3sp4wn: I just got a keyb/mouse/monitor attached to a kvm switch :) just as easy :) |
| 06:42.27 | PRIYAN | ok and whats the next step |
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| 06:42.36 | Kevin` | PRIYAN ^a K to kill the window when done with one of them |
| 06:42.38 | PRIYAN | and what will be the different results |
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| 06:42.42 | Kevin` | PRIYAN next step is to type AT |
| 06:42.49 | Kevin` | if it's a modem you'll get ok back |
| 06:42.50 | PRIYAN | ok |
| 06:42.51 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: hm, wanna trade? mine only does 2 :( |
| 06:43.00 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: ha! no. |
| 06:43.04 | h3sp4wn | SpeedyG: Not the same really |
| 06:43.05 | PRIYAN | ok thanks anyhow |
| 06:43.10 | PRIYAN | i will be back |
| 06:43.11 | Supaplex | :P |
| 06:43.17 | SpeedyG | :'[ |
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| 06:43.45 | h3sp4wn | SpeedyG: I want to see 2 screens at once (browser and whatever I am doing) one is cli all the time the other is in X |
| 06:43.47 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: you can have a spare monitor tho. :> |
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| 06:44.07 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: so I can put it with the other 3 I have? nah thanks anyway :p |
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| 06:44.31 | SpeedyG | unless its a nice tft-screen :D |
| 06:44.42 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: I'm still considering if I should make a vnc plugin for synergy |
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| 06:45.19 | SpeedyG | h3sp4wn: oh, I just got 2 computers for that :P with two monitors :D |
| 06:45.42 | SpeedyG | dual-head would also be a nice sollution |
| 06:46.05 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: a multi-head kvm would rawk to. |
| 06:46.14 | SpeedyG | tr00 |
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| 06:46.25 | Beket | One more question please. In http://live.debian.net/cdimage/monthly-builds/20070716/i386/ I see .img and .iso files. What abou them ? I thought it was "iso image" |
| 06:46.26 | SpeedyG | lol. that PRIYAN guy just left here... and now joins #linux :D |
| 06:46.34 | Supaplex | oh gosh. |
| 06:46.38 | h3sp4wn | Only if the kvm supported DVI (otherwise quality is lost) |
| 06:47.00 | Supaplex | geek is a quitter. |
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| 06:49.23 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 06:49.24 | h3sp4wn | Beket: img could be for eg if you only have a rewriteable dvd-rw and want to burn it |
| 06:49.26 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: re priyan, |
| 06:49.28 | Supaplex | !customer |
| 06:49.28 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 06:50.12 | Ben_Cs | for some reason the font of many of the applications is small (the menu and overall font) and i don't seem to be able to change that. i use kde |
| 06:50.23 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: haha, I dont know if he was that happy.. I guess he's to stupid for that :D |
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| 06:51.15 | Supaplex | !dpi |
| 06:51.15 | dpkg | from memory, dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 06:52.14 | helo | how do i install the JRE for use with iceweasel? |
| 06:52.15 | SpeedyG | I should be gone |
| 06:52.18 | SpeedyG | studying |
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| 06:52.36 | helo | if you have to study, you weren't cut out for school |
| 06:52.53 | SpeedyG | you've got an evil name :P |
| 06:52.58 | SpeedyG | *nick |
| 06:53.11 | helo | nice troll detection :) |
| 06:53.26 | SpeedyG | helo is what they called the electronic learning environment from my school :P |
| 06:53.33 | helo | hahaha |
| 06:53.34 | kgoetz | lol |
| 06:53.43 | SpeedyG | www.helo.hanze.nl <= :( |
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| 06:53.50 | Nazcafan_ | hi |
| 06:54.01 | Nazcafan_ | I have problems reading a fat32 partition |
| 06:54.17 | SpeedyG | anyway |
| 06:54.20 | Nazcafan_ | What is the standard utililty to check it and maybe fix it ? |
| 06:54.23 | SpeedyG | studytime, exam in about 4 hours |
| 06:54.24 | grub_ | Hi, i got an ALPS touchpad, what should be the setting for MaxTapTime and MaxTapMove and SingleTapTimeout? I am not able to quite five hte correct values :/ |
| 06:55.12 | Supaplex | Nazcafan_: fsck.vfat |
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| 06:56.55 | grub_ | anyone here got an alps touchpad? |
| 06:57.11 | Supaplex | !alps |
| 06:57.19 | Supaplex | !+listkeys alps |
| 06:57.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alps' by key returned no results. |
| 06:57.25 | Supaplex | !+listvals alps |
| 06:57.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alps' by value (2): tartiflette ;; grenoble. |
| 06:57.28 | helo | what's it take to get java applets in iceweasel to work? |
| 06:57.42 | Supaplex | !tartiflette |
| 06:57.42 | dpkg | it has been said that tartiflette is a delicious cheesy, sliced potato-y dish, best eaten in the French alps. Go, eat, now. |
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| 06:57.48 | Supaplex | !grenoble |
| 06:57.48 | dpkg | methinks grenoble is the capital of French Alps |
| 06:57.57 | grub_ | :( |
| 06:58.14 | GreaseMonkey | helo: you need the plugin, but i'm not sure how much you actually have to copy over. HINT: it's more than I copied over |
| 06:58.30 | Supaplex | grub_: I've heard others ask about it before. maybe when you get it working, come clue us in, to teach the bot a new factoid or two. :) |
| 06:58.38 | xlotlu | interesting issue: if holding left or right arrow pressed, the KeyPress event for the up arrow only triggers together with its KeyRelease... what might be causing this? |
| 06:58.52 | grub_ | ok sure Supaplex |
| 06:58.59 | Beket | thank you h3sp4wn |
| 06:59.11 | civillian | Supaplex: awesome game |
| 06:59.21 | civillian | is that where u got the name? |
| 06:59.36 | helo | i added non-free, and i'm installing sun-java5-plugin |
| 06:59.39 | helo | sounds reasonable :) |
| 06:59.53 | Supaplex | civillian: yup |
| 07:00.15 | civillian | nice :) love it |
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| 07:00.27 | civillian | i only had the demo which wouldnt save your progress after level 50 :( |
| 07:00.41 | civillian | had most of 1-50 done tho :) |
| 07:01.03 | Nazcafan_ | Supaplex: thanks you |
| 07:01.03 | grub_ | what would be an awesome game on linux? apart from quake3/4 and ut? |
| 07:01.05 | Supaplex | civillian: it's $0 now. |
| 07:01.15 | Nazcafan_ | grub_: wesnoth ! |
| 07:01.21 | Nazcafan_ | grub_: and xmoto |
| 07:01.28 | Supaplex | civillian: ps, there's 11 total SETS of 111 level maps now. |
| 07:01.34 | grub_ | Nazcafan_, ooh, will check those out, thanks ;) |
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| 07:01.47 | Supaplex | helo: done. |
| 07:01.53 | civillian | Supaplex: omg really! is there a URL you can give me or is it google time? |
| 07:02.08 | Supaplex | !google Supaplex |
| 07:02.22 | Supaplex | civillian: yes, just search. :) |
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| 07:09.12 | empiric | hey any one works on haimdel forcefull password expiry |
| 07:09.17 | empiric | guy help me out |
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| 07:15.43 | wut | anyone know when gutsy gibbon is due to be released? |
| 07:15.56 | Supaplex | when hell freezes over |
| 07:16.08 | Supaplex | !tell wut -about based on debian |
| 07:16.40 | Nazcafan_ | !tell nazcafan_ -about based on debian |
| 07:16.56 | Nazcafan_ | oooh |
| 07:17.00 | ameyer | umm, #debian != #ubuntu |
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| 07:18.33 | Supaplex | !when will gutsy gibbon be released |
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| 07:18.33 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, gutsy gibbon should be out by your birthday. |
| 07:18.34 | Supaplex | :P |
| 07:18.56 | ameyer | !when will hell freeze over |
| 07:19.02 | avtobiff | !when will lenny be released |
| 07:19.02 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, lenny should be out by Christmas. |
| 07:19.07 | avtobiff | great |
| 07:19.20 | ameyer | umm, Christmas 2008 I think |
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| 07:19.27 | Supaplex | avtobiff: notice how vague dpkg is? :) |
| 07:19.33 | AnAnt | Hello, I need to report a bug regarding console-setup, my problem is that I see that the arabic fonts are slimmer than latin fonts, is the bug severity in this case a 'wishlist' or 'normal' ? |
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| 07:19.40 | avtobiff | Supaplex, or is it? |
| 07:19.54 | Supaplex | !when will the prison convicts be released |
| 07:19.54 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, the prison convicts should be out by the time you graduate. |
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| 07:19.58 | AnAnt | !when will my question be answered ? |
| 07:20.09 | Gekz | !when will the nubs stop abusing the bot |
| 07:20.12 | ameyer | !when will dpkg die |
| 07:20.20 | avtobiff | !when will the question AnAnt asked be released |
| 07:20.21 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, the question AnAnt asked should be out by Easter. |
| 07:20.21 | cydork | !botrape |
| 07:20.21 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 07:20.31 | avtobiff | !good |
| 07:20.33 | avtobiff | !tv |
| 07:20.33 | dpkg | hmm... tv is modprobe bttv msp3400 tuner; wmtvmotv |
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| 07:20.38 | avtobiff | :-D |
| 07:20.39 | Supaplex | avtobiff: normal should be fine. the package maintainer can/will reassign them if need be. |
| 07:20.52 | avtobiff | Supaplex? |
| 07:21.03 | avtobiff | i bet that is for AnAnt |
| 07:21.03 | Supaplex | avtobiff: misdirect |
| 07:21.06 | avtobiff | :-D |
| 07:21.07 | avtobiff | np |
| 07:21.07 | AnAnt | yeah ! |
| 07:21.11 | AnAnt | thanks fellas |
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| 07:21.27 | Supaplex | !customer |
| 07:21.27 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 07:21.50 | ameyer | !when will windows vista be released |
| 07:21.50 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, windows vista should be out by Easter. |
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| 07:22.07 | Supaplex | dpkg -r bug-bites |
| 07:22.15 | Supaplex | ahh. much better. |
| 07:22.42 | ameyer | dpkg -r * |
| 07:23.22 | ameyer | now with extra spaces, compliments of the laptop keyboard |
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| 07:23.24 | Supaplex | lol, try dpkg -i bug-bites |
| 07:23.37 | AnyFile | Since I have a problem with the DNS inside my router I need to configure the network so that it use the dhcp to get IP address, gatway, etc. but the DNS is specified not by the dhcp but somewhereelse. Is it possible? |
| 07:23.42 | ameyer | dpkg -i bug-bites |
| 07:24.04 | GhostlyDeath | !vista |
| 07:24.04 | dpkg | i guess vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 07:24.05 | Supaplex | yay. ameyer has my old bug-bites. enjoy. <3 |
| 07:24.23 | GhostlyDeath | dpkg lacks properness |
| 07:24.46 | GhostlyDeath | 'I's are not capital, nouns arent capitalized... standards must be falling... |
| 07:25.11 | Supaplex | AnyFile: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf is a lame workaround, but there are internals/configs/options that vary based on which dhcp client you're using. (I'm sure there's other ways to) |
| 07:25.19 | SpeedyG | dpkg just sets a new standard! :D |
| 07:25.21 | what_if | GhostlyDeath: contractions aren't apostrophied :P |
| 07:25.37 | cydork | grammar nazis.. |
| 07:25.47 | GhostlyDeath | cydork, like in Wolfenstein 3D? |
| 07:25.52 | Supaplex | I say to the gas chamber with them all |
| 07:26.38 | cydork | GhostlyDeath: eww.. |
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| 07:27.05 | crissi_ | hello |
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| 07:27.10 | crissi_ | i need help |
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| 07:27.21 | GhostlyDeath | crissi_, we all need help |
| 07:27.27 | cydork | !ask |
| 07:27.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:27.30 | GhostlyDeath | welcome to the club |
| 07:27.35 | Supaplex | ouuuuUUuuu http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=GatesDepo |
| 07:28.10 | Supaplex | wait. help? what kind of help? there are lots of loonies on the net that no one can help. but, if it's a debain question, try us. |
| 07:28.13 | crissi_ | i had put my computer into suspend to ram |
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| 07:28.37 | TomWork | hi |
| 07:28.39 | GhostlyDeath | to ram what? |
| 07:28.45 | Supaplex | crissi_: and then what? |
| 07:28.58 | TomWork | how could i find how a package has been compiled ? |
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| 07:29.21 | crissi_ | after back my keyboard isnt work anymore |
| 07:29.32 | TomWork | (to make a new package with a newer version but the same arguments of compilation than the old and etch package) |
| 07:29.33 | cydork | TomWork: elaborate. you want to find out configure flags? |
| 07:29.41 | TomWork | cydork: yes |
| 07:29.47 | Supaplex | !uupdate |
| 07:29.47 | dpkg | uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision |
| 07:29.51 | Supaplex | TomWork: ^^^^^^^ |
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| 07:30.14 | crissi_ | any hints i cant get it working again (without restarting x) |
| 07:30.22 | cydork | TomWork: get the source package and check debian/rules |
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| 07:31.09 | crissi_ | i oftenm use supend to ram but this problem i never had |
| 07:31.28 | crissi_ | how i can get my keyboard working again? |
| 07:31.43 | crissi_ | btw: remote ssh works, so i can to some things remote |
| 07:32.29 | linio | maybe try xinit? |
| 07:33.13 | crissi_ | got it.... i put it again into sleep, after wake up, the keyaboard is working again |
| 07:33.32 | crissi_ | but thanks for help |
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| 07:35.32 | abchirk | Is there something for Gnome like kaffeine? |
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| 07:36.50 | AnyFile | Before the hard disk crash :-( I remeber I resolved the problem of the DNS by saving a file with the "correct" DNS setting and then coping it to resolv.conf qhen the eth0 etwork came up. I tried to do that agian but it does not work. Perhaps I do not remember the command. WHat should I use in /etc/network/interfaces up or post-up ? Should I quote the command if space are present ("cp... |
| 07:36.51 | AnyFile | ...reolv.conf_ saved resolv.conf") ? |
| 07:37.09 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:37.39 | cydork | !fixresolvconf |
| 07:37.40 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. |
| 07:38.20 | cydork | AnyFile: you can use that. |
| 07:38.28 | Supaplex | funny that. I suggested chattr +i :-D |
| 07:38.58 | h3sp4wn | AnyFile: There is a nicer way to use resolvconf than listed there |
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| 07:40.01 | AnyFile | ok, many thanks. I will look in resolvconf |
| 07:40.40 | h3sp4wn | AnyFile: Look in the README.Debian (I think its dns-nameservers the option but it is documented) |
| 07:41.12 | AnyFile | of resolvconf? |
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| 07:42.55 | h3sp4wn | AnyFile: Actually its README.gz |
| 07:42.59 | h3sp4wn | AnyFile: dns-nameservers 11.22.33.44 55.66.77.88 |
| 07:43.12 | h3sp4wn | AnyFile: dns-search foo.org bar.com |
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| 07:43.59 | TomWork | cydork: thx, i was quite good but i forgot to apply the patch, so i had not find the debian/ and ask here... thx and sorry for this dumb question |
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| 07:45.15 | cydork | TomWork: no problem. |
| 07:45.22 | smhar | hello friends |
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| 07:46.14 | smhar | I would like to thank everyone who helped me getting my ati driver and the wifi connection working in my toshiba notebook, there are many so I will just say.. thank you all |
| 07:46.26 | smhar | I am able now to connect using wifi too :-) |
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| 07:47.27 | smhar | I will try to remember everything I did and set a webpage to summarize it for other people to benefit |
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| 07:47.35 | Xondris | ... |
| 07:47.37 | Xondris | dammit. |
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| 07:49.55 | AnyFile | sorry h3sp4wn where is the README? |
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| 07:51.32 | Zemus | WHAT THE HELL |
| 07:51.35 | Zemus | WHY DID YOU PEOPLE REMOVE THE BAN |
| 07:52.12 | Zemus | I DCC GUTSY GIBBON ISO'S AT YOU |
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| 07:52.32 | Zemus | I have covered them in shite and anthrax. |
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| 07:53.57 | Supaplex | our children may be rebels, but it keeps things interesting. |
| 07:54.10 | Zemus | They will contract anthrax. |
| 07:54.11 | Zemus | Shitty anthrax. |
| 07:54.25 | Zemus | Shitty anthrax from attempting to huff gutsy gibbon iso's. |
| 07:54.26 | Zemus | From me. |
| 07:54.39 | Zemus | I am to blame for their shit-infested anthraxal ubuntu spawn. |
| 07:54.59 | Supaplex | you just want attention. too bad I have /ignore |
| 07:55.20 | Zemus | I like your nick, Supaplex |
| 07:55.29 | nooblar1 | !mdadm |
| 07:55.30 | Zemus | it reminds me of that time I was fucking your mom in the ass and then she started pissing blood? |
| 07:55.32 | Zemus | Ah, it was great |
| 07:55.42 | cydork | !ops Zemus is a troll |
| 07:55.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: Zemus is a troll |
| 07:55.54 | Zemus | you BASTARD! |
| 07:56.04 | Zemus | I'm not a troll, I just hate you all. |
| 07:56.06 | Zemus | There's a difference. |
| 07:56.11 | Zemus | Trolls don't admit they're trolls. |
| 07:56.17 | Zemus | Can you see the line here, or am I the only one? :| |
| 07:56.27 | Zemus | >.> |
| 07:56.59 | AnyFile | I found the reason why I was not able to find the README file I have not the resolvconf package installed :-) |
| 07:57.16 | Zemus | That, and you are consorting with the members of #debian. |
| 07:57.26 | Zemus | I think anything that happens to you is well deserved. |
| 07:57.45 | Zemus | Great ops you have in here, btw. |
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| 07:57.56 | Zemus | Perhaps I should start pinging people off the network. |
| 07:57.56 | Zemus | >.> |
| 07:58.12 | Zemus | Or demanding in all caps that someone sell me a demonoid invite |
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| 07:58.31 | Zemus | or perhaps shouting the righteous virtues of windows vista, and the doctrines of bill gates |
| 07:58.31 | Zemus | hmm. |
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| 07:59.06 | Zemus | !ops cydork has a pineapple in his ass |
| 07:59.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zemus complains about: cydork has a pineapple in his ass |
| 07:59.12 | wangpenghui | Does anybody know how iptables works in Debian? I could not find any init script after install iptables package. |
| 07:59.20 | Zemus | wangpenghui, nothing works in debian |
| 07:59.22 | Zemus | wangpenghui, I am sorry :( |
| 07:59.31 | Supaplex | dpkg: ignore Zemus |
| 07:59.40 | Zemus | Supaplex, lmfao |
| 07:59.43 | Zvpun | How can I get a listing of packages, that are no longer in the debian package repository. For example apt-cache policy foo outputs only "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" at the version table. |
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| 07:59.59 | wangpenghui | In RedHat, you could find /etc/init.d/iptables to stop start save iptables rules |
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| 08:00.05 | Zemus | Yes, but this isn't redhat |
| 08:00.07 | Zemus | it's fucking debian |
| 08:00.10 | Zemus | and the only thing worse than debian |
| 08:00.14 | Zemus | is the debian userbase. |
| 08:00.17 | Zemus | You can see them around you. |
| 08:00.18 | Zvpun | wangpenghui: I am not sure, but I think that you should look at /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:00.22 | Zemus | Right now it's totalling 790. |
| 08:00.33 | dimir | wangpenghui: no such crap in Debian |
| 08:00.35 | wangpenghui | But in the newest Debian, i could not how to save the iptables rules |
| 08:00.39 | Zvpun | wangpenghui: I think that there is the possibility to run all sorts of pre-up/down scripts. |
| 08:00.41 | Zemus | the newest debian |
| 08:00.44 | dimir | wangpenghui: iptables is no service to start/stop it. |
| 08:00.47 | Zemus | did they finally upgrade to kernel 1.6? |
| 08:00.55 | Zemus | Or are they not QUITE ready yet? |
| 08:01.05 | Supaplex | wangpenghui: iptables-save > foo ; iptables-restore < foo |
| 08:01.06 | wangpenghui | dimir, Don't it integrated in the kernel? |
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| 08:01.26 | dimir | wangpenghui: of course. |
| 08:01.27 | Zemus | wangpenghui, that's "Isn't it" |
| 08:01.34 | Zemus | wangpenghui, and "into" not "in" |
| 08:01.38 | tombs | hi all. how can I see something about the firmware that my cdrom device is currently using? please |
| 08:02.03 | wangpenghui | Supaplex, if i have changed some rules via command iptables. If i restart the system the rules exsited or not ? |
| 08:02.05 | dimir | tombs: dmidecode perhaps |
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| 08:02.30 | Zemus | OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE BAN ME |
| 08:02.37 | Zvpun | wangpenghui: I suppose they are gone and you have to reload the rules |
| 08:02.37 | dimir | wangpenghui: man iptables-save |
| 08:02.43 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:02.44 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
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| 08:02.50 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:02.52 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:02.54 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:02.58 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:03.00 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:03.01 | dimir | Zemus: maximum you can get is stupid kick. |
| 08:03.02 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:03.03 | Supaplex | wangpenghui: well, if iptables-save is in your pre-down interfaces line, it'll save them automatically. it's up to you how. |
| 08:03.04 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:03.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 08:03.10 | Zemus | #debian is gay. |
| 08:03.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/zemus] by azeem |
| 08:03.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 08:03.16 | dimir | heh |
| 08:03.21 | azeem | Zemus: please don't flood the chan |
| 08:03.30 | wangpenghui | Supaplex, Thanks very much. |
| 08:03.36 | tombs | dimir: thanx man :) |
| 08:03.47 | dimir | tombs: no problemo ;) |
| 08:03.53 | Zvpun | How can I get a listing of packages, that are no longer in the debian package repository. For example apt-cache policy foo outputs only "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" at the version table. |
| 08:04.21 | Supaplex | azeem: nice. Zemus is one speechless newb of puberty now. thanks :) |
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| 08:04.52 | Supaplex | let me guess, he quit already. |
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| 08:05.15 | xand | Supaplex: no, that :P |
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| 08:06.46 | Zvpun | whats the meaning of gnuap at http://packages.debian.org/sid/beep-media-player |
| 08:07.08 | xand | debhelper: you actually did something useful, well done ;) |
| 08:08.37 | tombs | dimir: the info was not enough :( |
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| 08:09.03 | tombs | is there any other way to see more details? |
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| 08:11.06 | dimir | Not known to me. |
| 08:11.16 | dimir | Perhaps you can see something in BIOS. |
| 08:11.45 | tombs | ok...thanx. I'll check it out :) |
| 08:12.16 | Crush` | is there a command to make an iso of a DVD/CD? |
| 08:12.35 | Zvpun | Crush`: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myimage.iso |
| 08:12.53 | wangpenghui | hello wangpenghui |
| 08:13.01 | Crush` | i tried that on a DVD i had in the drive, and it created a 15.4MB file, as opposed to ~8GB file |
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| 08:14.26 | Zvpun | What's the meaning of gnuab on the debian package site? http://packages.debian.org/sid/beep-media-player |
| 08:14.27 | chal | hello |
| 08:15.09 | Supaplex | hi |
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| 08:15.38 | chal | doing a trace route to a domain for example xyz.com the trace route reads mail.xyz.com should it not be just xyz.com? |
| 08:15.49 | hark | Zvpun: kfreebsd/hurd repo iirc |
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| 08:16.35 | Zvpun | hark: but beep-media-player is just an xmms replacement, why would it be connected with hurd? |
| 08:16.38 | Supaplex | chal: reverse dns suggests otherwise. |
| 08:16.57 | Supaplex | chal: try, dig xyz.com ; dig mail.xyz.com |
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| 08:18.13 | chal | Supaplex well no the reverse does trace to the ip static ip address so its correct i just wonder why its "mail" and not just plain xyz.com |
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| 08:19.43 | Supaplex | chal: because the dns admin decided 'mail' was the reverse dns for that ip. normally only one is used, but i've seen comcast assign multiple rdns entries on the same ip. (imo, not suggested use) |
| 08:19.58 | streuner | Is there a mail-server ISP which is free and you could use as smarthost in US? |
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| 08:20.43 | Supaplex | streuner: spammers ask that every day. ;o) |
| 08:20.45 | Zvpun | streuner: oh there are lots of hacked machines which are abused. |
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| 08:21.14 | hark | !dbugs 422681 |
| 08:21.18 | dpkg | DONE:#422681:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: beep-media-player -- RoM; RoQA; abandoned upstream; superseded by bmpx and audacious; Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:02 UTC |
| 08:21.21 | hark | Zvpun: ^ |
| 08:21.29 | streuner | Supaplex, Zvpun: sure :-P |
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| 08:21.48 | va | i mount a samba fs through fstab, the line has umask=0000, but still no non-root user can write to it. How do I fix this? |
| 08:22.00 | Supaplex | wouuu! dude a I found an open relay on 127.0.0.1! ;) |
| 08:22.07 | azeem | Zvpun: it got removed from the normal Debian repository, but gnuab has not catched up yet |
| 08:22.23 | Zvpun | azeem: ah, thanks that makes sense |
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| 08:22.43 | streuner | damn, does my english sucks this kind, that nobody can answer a simple question? :-) |
| 08:22.44 | Zvpun | hark: do you know whether there is a list of removed packages? |
| 08:22.54 | MajorPoopyPants | just tried out gentoo again for the first time in a couple of years |
| 08:23.00 | MajorPoopyPants | what a mess that distro is |
| 08:23.11 | MajorPoopyPants | it used to be nice but now its just a total mess |
| 08:23.12 | streuner | gmail is one you can use, what about others like yahoo? |
| 08:23.15 | Zvpun | streuner: you wont find any since everyone tries to close his/her smtp-server due to spamer abuse |
| 08:23.23 | MajorPoopyPants | I wish I hadn't wasted my time. |
| 08:23.27 | streuner | Zvpun: oh, ic. |
| 08:23.50 | wangpenghui | Hello, a stupid question, how to replay a message in IRC to the sender? |
| 08:23.57 | streuner | Zvpun: of course, _WITH_ registration |
| 08:24.20 | hark | !orphaned |
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| 08:24.47 | azeem | wangpenghui: that would be a client-specific feature, so read your client's documentation, I guess |
| 08:25.55 | wangpenghui | azeem, Could you give a example to me? Such as X-Chat? |
| 08:26.10 | chal | Supaplex: ok thanks |
| 08:26.14 | azeem | no, I don'Ät knowbout it |
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| 08:27.00 | wangpenghui | Which client are you using? |
| 08:27.00 | streuner | Supaplex, Zvpun: over 1000 users every mail-server ISP here in .de have to give "Big Brother" the possibility to watch ... |
| 08:27.09 | hark | Zvpun: don't know about removed, but there's a list of orphaned and wnpp packages |
| 08:27.35 | Zvpun | hark: how did you find that bug report? I search obviously for the wrong things. |
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| 08:27.59 | streuner | Zvpun: oh, i just saw that you are from .de too :-) |
| 08:28.12 | Zvpun | streuner: encrypt your messages with gnupg, and they are fucked |
| 08:28.20 | hark | Zvpun: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/beep-media-player.html |
| 08:28.53 | streuner | Zvpun: sure, but some people would be possible unable to read that then... |
| 08:29.15 | streuner | Zvpun: s/possible/ / |
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| 08:29.38 | Zvpun | streuner: I am surprised that you think the United States are the solution since they just read without asking. |
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| 08:29.48 | g0th | hi |
| 08:29.48 | CyberMad | how to check version of installed package? i want to check my ejabberd version.. i forget :( |
| 08:30.03 | hark | CyberMad: dpkg -l foopackage |
| 08:30.04 | Zvpun | streuner: you dont know echelon, dont you? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon |
| 08:30.08 | g0th | I would like to upgrade an old debian but it always fails to install libc6 |
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| 08:30.23 | Zvpun | CyberMad: apt-cache policy ejabberd |
| 08:30.23 | g0th | it mentions something about a kernel 2.6.8 beeing needed |
| 08:30.44 | Zvpun | g0th: did you try sudo apt-get distupgrade? |
| 08:30.50 | g0th | yes |
| 08:31.10 | Zvpun | g0th: then how about providing useful information? I aint Harry Potter |
| 08:31.17 | g0th | I was writting them |
| 08:31.26 | g0th | give me some time |
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| 08:31.51 | streuner | Zvpun: they surely interested in such buisness like drugs or terrorits or economy issues, but i guess they dont read everything... |
| 08:31.52 | hark | g0th: upgrading from which version and to which one? |
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| 08:32.24 | g0th | it shows: "rm: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4` not found (required by rm) |
| 08:32.33 | g0th | so I have some serious problems it seems |
| 08:32.35 | CyberMad | thank you |
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| 08:33.24 | g0th | hark: I don't remember the version |
| 08:33.37 | g0th | hark: I try to upgrade to latest unstable |
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| 08:34.17 | streuner | Zvpun: but "Schäuble" read for sure EVERYTHING... ;-) |
| 08:34.24 | g0th | my new laptop crashed so I took my old laptop |
| 08:34.26 | Zvpun | streuner: ok, that's your opinion, I just wonder why you think they are honest while they German Gov is not |
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| 08:34.59 | g0th | already the first boot was a catastrophy it had sooo many fsck errors |
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| 08:35.09 | g0th | and a lot of coreutils got messed up |
| 08:35.10 | Zvpun | streuner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TbLxTCLCGo yet we have a democratic system and no homeland security act, no death penalty and no god in school |
| 08:35.35 | g0th | I might still use the system as it is though |
| 08:35.46 | g0th | but it's a bit unsatisfactory ^^ |
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| 08:36.04 | hark | g0th: doesn't work like that.. if you had woody, you should first upgrade to sarge and then etch. read the respective release notes in each case |
| 08:36.09 | cast|lir | strange, /leave #politics isn't working |
| 08:36.16 | Zemus | Debian is for fucking LOSERS now fucking BAN ME you STUPID FUCKS. |
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| 08:36.21 | Zemus | Debian is for fucking LOSERS now fucking BAN ME you STUPID FUCKS. |
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| 08:36.23 | g0th | hark: I think I had etch or sarge |
| 08:36.23 | Zemus | Debian is for fucking LOSERS now fucking BAN ME you STUPID FUCKS. |
| 08:36.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unaffiliated/zemus] by azeem |
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| 08:36.30 | g0th | it's not that old |
| 08:36.36 | azeem | Zemus: please don't flood |
| 08:36.45 | azeem | Zemus: you've been banned for 10 minutes |
| 08:36.46 | streuner | Zvpun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH8ujB74mUE |
| 08:36.48 | Zvpun | g0th: Did you consider reinstalling? |
| 08:36.55 | g0th | no |
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| 08:37.06 | g0th | I'm bying a new laptop |
| 08:37.16 | g0th | so I dont want to spend too much time reinstalling |
| 08:37.30 | azeem | streuner: if I go to that youtube site, will I find it offensive? |
| 08:37.37 | g0th | hmm |
| 08:37.52 | g0th | but I guess my system is so fucked up that reinstalling is the only option |
| 08:37.54 | g0th | ? |
| 08:37.55 | streuner | azeem: pardon? |
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| 08:38.05 | azeem | streuner: nm |
| 08:38.06 | g0th | hmm |
| 08:38.12 | g0th | how do I install the old coreutils? |
| 08:38.19 | g0th | so that rm works |
| 08:38.24 | g0th | without the GLIBC message |
| 08:38.25 | Supaplex | !tell g0th -about downgrade |
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| 08:38.34 | g0th | I tried that |
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| 08:38.41 | g0th | but it can't install it because the installation needs rm |
| 08:38.46 | g0th | or some other basic tools |
| 08:38.52 | g0th | and they all tell me the GLIBC message |
| 08:38.54 | Supaplex | oh nice. |
| 08:38.59 | streuner | azeem: its up to you, but i think its actually the truth |
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| 08:39.17 | Zvpun | azeem: I dont think its offensive. |
| 08:39.37 | Supaplex | g0th: a base install won't take long. mv stuff aside if you're worried about it overwriting configs etc. |
| 08:39.58 | g0th | I did many installations and they do take long |
| 08:40.12 | g0th | I don't just want a base system |
| 08:40.18 | g0th | I want firefox/x windows/etc |
| 08:40.27 | g0th | so I'd rather keep my broken system |
| 08:40.32 | azeem | g0th: why don't you install once properly? |
| 08:40.35 | g0th | than spending 2 days setting up a new one |
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| 08:40.56 | g0th | azeem: because in about a week I will get my new laptop |
| 08:41.00 | Supaplex | g0th: that's why move mv it aside, so you can pick up the pieces and carry on. |
| 08:41.02 | azeem | g0th: boot a live cd, and unpack the older coreutils, if dpkg -i doesn't work |
| 08:41.15 | g0th | ohh good idea |
| 08:41.25 | g0th | how do I unpack it correctly? |
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| 08:41.27 | g0th | arg |
| 08:41.29 | g0th | no bad idea |
| 08:41.32 | Supaplex | g0th: or you can spend the rest of the day figuring out how dpkg and/or dbootstrap handle it from a different root |
| 08:41.33 | g0th | the cdrom is damaged |
| 08:41.38 | azeem | Supaplex: mv is linked to glibc as well |
| 08:41.45 | g0th | so I cant' even install a base system |
| 08:41.45 | g0th | lol |
| 08:41.51 | Supaplex | by *concept* ffs |
| 08:41.56 | ShredZ | I want to monitor a vnc+firefox using supervise, however, the vncserver startup script runs the Xtighvnc with an & so the script exits and supervise constantly tries to respawn it. How do I make XtightVNC the foreground app ? |
| 08:42.03 | g0th | I'm in deep trouble with this system ^^ |
| 08:42.19 | Supaplex | g0th: does <chroot install> work? |
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| 08:42.57 | Supaplex | I have some other ideas, but the graymatter clocked out for the evening. |
| 08:43.44 | g0th | Supaplex I guess chroot works though it gives a strange error message about not beeing able to run bash |
| 08:44.09 | g0th | (I can run bash though) |
| 08:44.13 | Supaplex | extract say the openwrt tarball (their ipkg -i will install debs), chroot into there, install debootstrap, then try a <chroot install> and see if you have any better luck. totally caveat emptor, but you're up a creek anyway. might be fun. |
| 08:44.15 | azeem | g0th: do you have backups? |
| 08:44.19 | g0th | no |
| 08:44.29 | g0th | from my new laptop yes |
| 08:44.39 | Zvpun | is there a link to the Package Tracking System on debian.org? Or will I have to remember its name and ask goole next time I need it. |
| 08:44.58 | g0th | I have the old coreutils |
| 08:45.05 | g0th | but it won't install :( |
| 08:45.08 | Supaplex | Zvpun: yes, p.d.o has lots of hyperlinks. why? |
| 08:45.26 | g0th | maybe I can somehow force the installation of the new glibc? |
| 08:45.28 | Supaplex | g0th: hold that thought. |
| 08:45.48 | Supaplex | g0th: well, you're asking for a bigger headache |
| 08:45.55 | g0th | hehe |
| 08:46.02 | g0th | well it's a challange :) |
| 08:46.19 | g0th | but if I annoy you I can simply keep my broken system |
| 08:46.22 | g0th | I guess it's ok |
| 08:46.27 | g0th | it's just for a few weeks |
| 08:47.21 | Zvpun | Supaplex: because I forget names fast and looked for a link on debian.org but found nothing. |
| 08:47.26 | Supaplex | g0th: study dpkg-deb --extract it won't run pre/post/initscripts. (which may be good, or not in your case.) |
| 08:47.31 | Zvpun | Supaplex: In order to use goole, I have to recall the name |
| 08:47.52 | Supaplex | Zvpun: what name are we talking about? the pdo website itself, or something more specific? |
| 08:48.17 | Zvpun | Supaplex: http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html or that http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/beep-media-player.html |
| 08:48.31 | g0th | yes! |
| 08:48.33 | streuner | Zvpun: thats linked in pdo |
| 08:48.40 | g0th | I successfully installed the old coreutils :) |
| 08:48.41 | azeem | Zvpun: the second is easily reached via "packages.qa.debian.org/<source-package-name>" |
| 08:48.54 | g0th | Supaplex: the extract thing worked |
| 08:49.14 | Supaplex | g0th: cool. now reinstall it so the initscripts cleanup any left-overs. |
| 08:49.42 | Supaplex | ala dpkg -i or whatever. |
| 08:49.48 | Zvpun | what does pdo stand for? |
| 08:49.52 | g0th | I already tried to do that |
| 08:49.55 | Supaplex | !tell Zvpun -about pdo |
| 08:49.56 | streuner | packages.debian.org |
| 08:50.05 | Zvpun | ah, okay |
| 08:50.11 | g0th | finally ok |
| 08:50.14 | g0th | it worked with --force-all |
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| 08:50.26 | g0th | so it is truly "installed" now |
| 08:50.46 | Zvpun | ah, thank you guys, I got what I wanted now |
| 08:50.49 | g0th | and I'm back to my libc problem ^^ |
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| 08:51.03 | streuner | azeem: if somebody dont trust you, would you trust him...? |
| 08:51.45 | azeem | streuner: hrm? |
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| 08:51.58 | g0th | http://rafb.net/p/c6maSw97.html |
| 08:52.06 | streuner | nm, it goes to much in politics... |
| 08:52.17 | azeem | g0th: upgrade sed |
| 08:52.29 | azeem | g0th: eh, no, wait |
| 08:52.58 | g0th | probably most of those programs need the new glibc first |
| 08:53.04 | azeem | g0th: why do you want to install the unstable glibc? |
| 08:53.19 | g0th | I want to upgrade my system |
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| 08:53.36 | Supaplex | !sns syndrome |
| 08:53.37 | dpkg | hmm... sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 08:53.46 | g0th | basically I want to be able to install stuff |
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| 08:53.55 | azeem | g0th: well, we don't support unstable here, sory |
| 08:53.57 | azeem | sorry* |
| 08:54.02 | Supaplex | g0th: the first release of debian supports installing stuff. |
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| 08:54.36 | g0th | well now I always first hear about the libc6 issue |
| 08:54.41 | g0th | so apt-get doesn't work |
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| 08:54.48 | azeem | g0th: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 08:55.00 | g0th | I run 2.6.3 < 2.6.8 |
| 08:55.06 | azeem | eh? |
| 08:55.11 | azeem | can you please answer my question? |
| 08:55.17 | g0th | Linux morannon 2.6.3 #4 Sun May 9 00:16:01 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:55.28 | g0th | sry |
| 08:55.29 | g0th | 2.6.3 |
| 08:55.32 | azeem | did you even read what you pasted above? |
| 08:55.40 | g0th | yes |
| 08:55.40 | azeem | "WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version |
| 08:55.41 | azeem | 2.6.8 or later." |
| 08:55.49 | Leentje | anyone know about php5-cli 5.2.3-1+lenny1 having seg faults when started? |
| 08:55.50 | g0th | thats part of my issue |
| 08:55.58 | g0th | the first thing I tried was installing a kernel myself |
| 08:55.59 | azeem | g0th: so why don't you upgrade your kernel? |
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| 08:56.07 | g0th | but I wasn't even able to run make menuconfig |
| 08:56.13 | azeem | d'oh |
| 08:56.13 | g0th | so I tried to install a kernel image |
| 08:56.17 | g0th | but that needs initrd |
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| 08:56.26 | g0th | to install initrd I had dependency problems |
| 08:56.28 | azeem | g0th: so why do you think you should run unstable? |
| 08:56.31 | g0th | which in the end needed libc6 |
| 08:56.42 | et | Leentje: works fine here. |
| 08:56.50 | g0th | well an older version is fine as well I guess |
| 08:56.53 | Fox_1_ | people how to turn on user authotication in proftpd? |
| 08:56.54 | et | Leentje: disable extensions? |
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| 08:56.56 | g0th | then I can upgrade to unstable later |
| 08:56.59 | Fox_1_ | only anonymous work |
| 08:57.02 | Leentje | yeah will try that |
| 08:57.18 | g0th | but won't it have the same problem? |
| 08:57.25 | azeem | g0th: what version of Debian were you running before you installed that libc6 package? |
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| 08:57.36 | g0th | I didn't install it yet |
| 08:57.37 | azeem | g0th: testing doesn't have these problems |
| 08:57.42 | azeem | that's the whole point of it |
| 08:57.48 | g0th | I don't know |
| 08:57.51 | Supaplex | g0th: just for you, |
| 08:57.53 | Supaplex | !thermite |
| 08:57.54 | dpkg | [thermite] ask about <sid>, or see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqC610k1gY |
| 08:57.55 | g0th | what version was there around 2.6.3? |
| 08:58.04 | g0th | the unstable around 2.6.3 |
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| 08:58.06 | azeem | there never was 2.6.3 |
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| 08:58.19 | g0th | linux 2.6.3 |
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| 08:58.29 | Supaplex | haha |
| 08:58.34 | azeem | g0th: you run a self-compiled kernel |
| 08:58.38 | g0th | yes |
| 08:58.44 | Supaplex | 2.6.3 is years old |
| 08:58.53 | g0th | I run the distro from that time |
| 08:58.57 | g0th | debian unstable from then |
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| 08:59.15 | g0th | was that already sid? I guess not |
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| 08:59.16 | g0th | dunno |
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| 08:59.21 | azeem | g0th: unstable == sid |
| 08:59.28 | azeem | g0th: (i) unstable isn't supported, (ii) upgrades from unstable from three years ago to now isn't supported either |
| 08:59.38 | Supaplex | cryogenic unstable potato! |
| 08:59.42 | Supaplex | wahou |
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| 08:59.49 | azeem | g0th: if you cannot manage to fix your system manually, I suggest you reinstall and use testing from now on |
| 08:59.59 | g0th | azeem: how do I reinstall? |
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| 09:00.05 | g0th | azeem: my cd is broken |
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| 09:00.54 | Supaplex | !tell g0th -about d-i |
| 09:01.01 | g0th | that all looks like I need a cd |
| 09:01.03 | g0th | anyway |
| 09:01.04 | azeem | g0th: e.g. put the harddisk into a friend's box and install there |
| 09:01.07 | hatter | what procedure should i do to discover if a chipset on a new mobo is supported with etch's kernel ? |
| 09:01.23 | g0th | azeem: well first my laptop has a very special hd |
| 09:01.25 | streuner | use groups.google.com |
| 09:01.27 | Supaplex | g0th: scroll down. 'installing from linux' |
| 09:01.31 | g0th | so I won't find anyone that I can put it in |
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| 09:01.49 | bullgard4 | Why does Debian allocate for the udev filesystem 248 MB disk space although it uses only a very small amount (112K) of it? |
| 09:01.53 | g0th | and I don't want to spend soo much time installing |
| 09:02.02 | azeem | g0th: then don't |
| 09:02.08 | g0th | so if you say the only way to fix it is to reinstall then I'll just keep my current system |
| 09:02.17 | g0th | ok |
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| 09:02.20 | g0th | thanks for the help |
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| 09:02.53 | azeem | g0th: no, I said you should reinstall if you cannot fix your system |
| 09:03.07 | azeem | bullgard4: it's not disk space, it's a tmpfs |
| 09:03.12 | g0th | well I was hoping I could fix the system |
| 09:03.23 | Supaplex | !fix g0th |
| 09:03.53 | g0th | are there some kernel images that don't need initrd? |
| 09:04.01 | azeem | g0th: no |
| 09:04.21 | azeem | g0th: if you actually read the message to its end, it hints you at installed stable kernels |
| 09:04.39 | grub_ | Supaplex, works now :) |
| 09:04.41 | azeem | s/installed/installing/ |
| 09:04.45 | grub_ | the touchpad, that is |
| 09:04.48 | grub_ | !alps |
| 09:04.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alps is Alps/Glidepoint works with the synaptics driver as well. Refer to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad |
| 09:04.52 | Supaplex | grub_: oh yeah? |
| 09:05.15 | g0th | azeem: ok I will replace unstable with stable in my sources.list |
| 09:05.17 | Supaplex | grub_: cool! thanks for the update. is it in the debian wiki? Maybe we should bum it from the gentoo one. >:) |
| 09:05.19 | grub_ | Supaplex, yeah, i wasnt able to teach dpkg properly, could you do it please? :) |
| 09:05.20 | g0th | then everything will magically work? |
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| 09:05.44 | g0th | after the 2h download of the packages ^^ |
| 09:05.44 | brave_heart | while running chroot, it throws the error "chroot: cannot run command `tcsh': No such file or directory" |
| 09:05.47 | grub_ | Supaplex, nope, havent seen in the debian wiki, but it would be great if we could :) |
| 09:05.48 | Supaplex | grub_: that looks fine. |
| 09:06.21 | azeem | g0th: whoa, did you read what I said? |
| 09:06.28 | grub_ | ok be back in a bit. |
| 09:06.43 | Supaplex | grub_: me to. 20 winks or so here. ;) |
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| 09:07.05 | brave_heart | while running chroot, it throws the error "chroot: cannot run command `tcsh': No such file or directory" ?????????/// |
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| 09:07.24 | g0th | azeem: to install a stable kernel, isn't that a hint at installing a kernel from debian stable? |
| 09:07.34 | g0th | but I guess they need initrd as well |
| 09:07.43 | g0th | so I don't see how that helps in any way |
| 09:07.51 | azeem | g0th: yes, it says nothing about "magically working" or "2h downloads of the packages" |
| 09:08.14 | g0th | ok sorry |
| 09:08.20 | azeem | g0th: the tools to create the initrd don't need the unstable glibc |
| 09:08.28 | g0th | hmm |
| 09:08.32 | g0th | they don't |
| 09:08.34 | g0th | ? |
| 09:08.37 | g0th | I tried to install them |
| 09:08.39 | azeem | eh, no |
| 09:08.39 | g0th | but failed |
| 09:08.47 | azeem | because they're from stable |
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| 09:09.03 | g0th | I don't have them installed |
| 09:09.18 | azeem | 11:01 < azeem> g0th: if you actually read the message to its end, it hints you at installed stable kernels |
| 09:10.09 | g0th | installing? |
| 09:10.19 | g0th | or installed |
| 09:10.34 | azeem | 11:02 < azeem> s/installed/installing/ |
| 09:10.47 | Fox_1_ | people how to turn on user authotication in proftpd? |
| 09:11.12 | g0th | azeem: I still don't follow |
| 09:11.27 | g0th | installing a kernel from debian stable instead of debian unstable? |
| 09:11.27 | cast|lir | Fox_1_: have you tried reading the manual |
| 09:11.32 | bullgard4 | azeem: Thank you for your hint. |
| 09:11.43 | Fox_1_ | I have read that |
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| 09:12.29 | azeem | g0th: yes |
| 09:12.39 | g0th | and how does this help? |
| 09:12.45 | g0th | what is the difference? |
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| 09:12.54 | azeem | 11:05 < azeem> g0th: the tools to create the initrd don't need the unstable glibc |
| 09:13.22 | g0th | and what does this have to do with "stable" kernel? |
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| 09:14.01 | azeem | g0th: what does an initrd have to do with a kernel? |
| 09:14.16 | g0th | it's needed for the kernel in debian |
| 09:14.19 | maxaki | hello... i have some problems with installing SWF-player with debian.. it says i already have it... but i can't see youtube files :D ( I'm noob on linux ) |
| 09:15.14 | g0th | anyway I'm now trying to upgrade to etch |
| 09:15.28 | g0th | which is actually a pretty good idea maybe it will work with etch instaed of unstable |
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| 09:15.53 | cast|lir | maxaki: dunno what swf-player is, but youtube-dl+mplayer work well |
| 09:17.25 | azeem | g0th: the above issues with rm indicate that half of your system is upgraded to unstable already |
| 09:18.34 | g0th | I was able to install the old coreutils |
| 09:19.00 | maxaki | cast|lir: i'll try |
| 09:19.17 | g0th | azeem: and indeed etch installation seems to work (it doesn't have the new libc) |
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| 09:20.35 | g0th | hmm |
| 09:20.35 | g0th | arg |
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| 09:20.44 | g0th | initramfs-tools depends on udev |
| 09:20.48 | maxaki | cast|lir: how do i turn on javascript? |
| 09:21.12 | cast|lir | maxaki: grab the youtube-dl from testing perhaps, i have a feeling etches one is broken. just dpkg -i it....javascript? nfi. youtube-dl is a stand alone python app |
| 09:21.20 | azeem | g0th: probably, yeah |
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| 09:21.29 | g0th | I don't have udev |
| 09:21.31 | g0th | in my kernel |
| 09:21.35 | azeem | eh |
| 09:21.41 | azeem | the "u" is for "user space" |
| 09:21.53 | Caeies | I have a question about gcc and libc6. I was asking myself if I can build on debian sid binary that are "easily" compatible with the libc6 of Etch (a 2.3.5 IIRc) |
| 09:21.59 | mhall | @#$%. I just managed to remove the libc package on my VPS and I don't have a copy of the management console IP email nearby. |
| 09:22.10 | mhall | That was a bad #$%^ing typo on my part. |
| 09:22.34 | g0th | doesn't it conflict with kernel options? |
| 09:22.40 | g0th | like devfs/whatever |
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| 09:22.43 | azeem | g0th: I don't know your kernel options |
| 09:22.49 | azeem | g0th: but I told you to install the etch kernel |
| 09:22.55 | azeem | it obviously doesn't conflict with that |
| 09:23.03 | mhall | Word to the wise... don't try to force-install an old version of tzdata to fix glitches with your time zones... it will delete libc because it "conflicts". |
| 09:23.08 | g0th | well it's 2.6.3 so pre-udev time |
| 09:23.12 | mhall | Oh yeah... no warning either! |
| 09:23.28 | g0th | I just installed the etch kernel |
| 09:23.30 | wols | Caeies: you can tell the linker where to look, in what directories |
| 09:23.33 | g0th | the question is if it will boot |
| 09:23.34 | g0th | ^^ |
| 09:23.35 | maxaki | it don't work =/ |
| 09:23.43 | azeem | g0th: well, you'll have to find out |
| 09:23.55 | wols | mhall: --force is always a bad idea unless you REALLY know what you are doing |
| 09:23.56 | g0th | hehe |
| 09:24.01 | azeem | mhall: usually apt tells you about which packages it removes? |
| 09:24.07 | g0th | first I need to figure out how to enable this initrd |
| 09:24.12 | g0th | (I now have all packages) |
| 09:24.14 | azeem | oh, --force |
| 09:24.20 | mhall | azeem: was using dpkg... downloaded packages... doh! |
| 09:24.24 | azeem | then you don't get to complain, of course |
| 09:24.30 | Caeies | wols, so I'm obliged to got a libc6.2.3 on the sid system ? |
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| 09:24.40 | mhall | azeem: nope... wasn't complaining... just giving fair warning |
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| 09:24.47 | cmanns | Anyone know about a bash script to mass rename files but keep same extension? |
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| 09:24.54 | mhall | I was trying to fix a crash in the postinst script of tzdata. |
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| 09:25.04 | wols | Caeies: no. that would break your sid most likely. but on the system you must have a libc6 2.3 file somewhere obviously. just not used normally but only for compiling |
| 09:25.18 | mhall | I think I have the Xen VPS console IP written down at work... I'll have to boot the damn thing from an ISO. |
| 09:25.31 | wols | mhall: good luck |
| 09:25.40 | Caeies | wols, hmmm ok |
| 09:25.43 | mhall | wols: Yeah I found a recovery procedure but this won't be fun. |
| 09:25.57 | mhall | wols: Meanwhile my email server is down. |
| 09:26.24 | Caeies | I was hoping to find some flags on gcc ... but, ok, I will try that |
| 09:26.42 | g0th | I simply added initrd=/path/to/initrd that should work or do I need to do some other stuff to get the initrd working? |
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| 09:26.47 | Assid | heya |
| 09:26.49 | g0th | (added in lilo.conf) |
| 09:26.58 | g0th | and invoked lilo of course |
| 09:27.10 | g0th | all right I'll just test |
| 09:27.11 | Assid | i had the mrtg oackage update on me .. and now it doesnt update all the alias interfaces of that ethernet device |
| 09:27.28 | Assid | like eth1:1 isnt being updated in eth1 |
| 09:27.32 | g0th | thatnks a lot azeem! |
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| 09:27.48 | Roy_M | Hi I am trying to rebuild initrd with xenblk, the command I am using is from what I have found with mr google "mkinitrd -m --with=ext3 --preload=ext3 --with=xennet --preload=xenblk --fstab=/mnt/etc/fstab /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686.img" bit I am getting errors. Can anyone advise me? |
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| 09:27.58 | wols | maxaki: mailserver have queues. except the spammers. so you get less spam. hooray! |
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| 09:28.26 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I edit the e-mail of my gpg key? |
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| 09:29.45 | cyber_brain_mfkg | hi all! i'm using Core2 Duo procesor - for what architecture should i download installation dvds? |
| 09:31.12 | cyber_brain_mfkg | !intel |
| 09:31.13 | dpkg | somebody said intel was http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 09:31.27 | cyber_brain_mfkg | !intel64 |
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| 09:32.07 | ustunozgur | !amd64 |
| 09:32.08 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 09:32.57 | et | if you know why you want a 64-bit architecture, use amd64, otherwise use i386 ;) |
| 09:33.29 | cyber_brain_mfkg | et but i have intel64 not amd |
| 09:33.37 | et | that's just a name. |
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| 09:34.02 | cast|lir | et: because its the future! |
| 09:34.12 | wols | Caeies: will your install be a desktop and how much RAM do you have? |
| 09:34.15 | azeem | cyber_brain_mfkg: intel copied amd's architecture |
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| 09:34.40 | cyber_brain_mfkg | azeem, don't think so!but never mind! |
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| 09:35.38 | wols | cyber_brain_mfkg: but everyone knows that was what happened (intel didn't want 64bit x86 since it threatened itanium sales but had no choice when AMD had this big success) |
| 09:36.15 | wols | vanksi: you can either blame my fingers or my brain. personally it's my brain |
| 09:36.25 | vanksi | wols, i blame you |
| 09:36.32 | wols | actually I blame irssi too |
| 09:36.40 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a way to let a Debian box behave like a DSL modem? A tool that can act as a "server" for pppoe? |
| 09:36.59 | vlt | (for testing purpose) |
| 09:37.04 | SpeedyG | wols: you just need the mental plugin for nick-selecting :> |
| 09:37.06 | streuner | vlt: read ig about |
| 09:37.17 | azeem | streuner: please expand on ig for new users |
| 09:37.19 | wols | vlt: http://www.freeantennas.com/PPPoE-Server-HOWTO.html |
| 09:37.28 | streuner | vlt: /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:37.35 | wols | vlt: google is an awesome too if one uses it |
| 09:37.57 | streuner | vlt: listen to wols, i misread that, sorry. |
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| 09:39.04 | vlt | streuner: Ok ;-) |
| 09:39.08 | vlt | wols: Thank you. |
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| 09:41.25 | robboplus | can someone please explain to me what IPs will a daemon listen on if it runs on 0.0.0.0 on multi-ip box? |
| 09:41.29 | robboplus | how is that controlled? |
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| 09:42.06 | wols | robboplus: all |
| 09:42.17 | wols | it's usually controlled with the daemon's config file |
| 09:42.30 | wols | cause the program can request on what interfaces it will listen |
| 09:42.36 | robboplus | wols hello! hm... so 0.0.0.0 typically means "listen on any ip available" |
| 09:42.42 | wols | yes |
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| 09:43.05 | robboplus | there is nothing in conf about specifying IP so i assume it will open the port on all IPs i got up there, right? |
| 09:43.09 | wols | when a program opens a socket for listening it can either specify the exact ip to listen on, or use 0.0.0.0 to listen on all |
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| 09:43.16 | wols | yes |
| 09:43.18 | robboplus | i read you. |
| 09:43.45 | robboplus | and how do i control access then in such case? e.g. if i want it to only let people in on particular IP? iptables? |
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| 09:44.23 | niru | I dont find any display of the video for the song I am playing on the external monitor |
| 09:44.27 | niru | I use a sony vaio |
| 09:44.27 | petemc | robboplus: which app? |
| 09:44.37 | rmaj | debian failed me again. and/on kernel |
| 09:44.40 | wols | robboplus: iptables for example |
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| 09:45.07 | robboplus | wols so if i block traffic on that port for a given ip it won't cut others? |
| 09:45.12 | wols | rmaj: one could say that. one could also say you failed at being a sysadmin :) |
| 09:45.13 | rmaj | * and/or ; If I close lid in laptop then dmesg is flooded with Video bus notification messages and screen turns on and off each 1 second |
| 09:45.25 | robboplus | wols i thought that 0.0.0.0 is not only "all" but "all or nothing" |
| 09:45.33 | GhostlyDeath | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_IRC_support |
| 09:45.39 | wols | you can specifiy interface or destinationa IP a iptables rule works on |
| 09:45.57 | rmaj | wols: on which step I failed? upgrading system? closing laptop lid? choosing debian? |
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| 09:46.02 | wols | if it's nothing, your daemon will stop with an error message. if it's good software |
| 09:46.05 | creature | Hello. I recently had some issues with my wireless, that resulted in me moving over (with some help from this channel) from using NetworkManager to using /etc/network/interfaces to manage my wireless connection. Which works fine, except when I open my laptop's lid I get no networking back. How do I reconnect upon resume? |
| 09:46.17 | robboplus | wols thank you - will test soon |
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| 09:46.43 | robboplus | petemc it's some open source game server |
| 09:46.45 | wols | robboplus: typically this happens when you aren't root and try to open a port <1024 or another software already uses that port |
| 09:47.04 | robboplus | wols hm. |
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| 09:47.58 | robboplus | wols let's hope that it will work.. i would rather tell the daemon to bind to particular ip instead of 0.0.0.0 but this isn't going to be easy unless i hacked the netcode alot, aye? |
| 09:48.01 | aspWork | hi guys, i am trying to install debian via netinst on a box with the realtek 8111 nic, but i cant get it to configure via dhcp? Does this mean that it is lacking the driver, and if so, how do i supply it? |
| 09:48.41 | itguru | If I install debian on an AMD64 based system, using the netinstall 40M CD image, and then pulled down from the internet all the .debs to do a complete install, can I then create a DVD image of all the install files, using jigdo? |
| 09:48.44 | rmaj | wols: you where correct, I failed |
| 09:48.47 | fengor | can you configure it without dhcp aspWork ? |
| 09:48.47 | wols | robboplus: it's very very easy |
| 09:48.50 | rmaj | at choosing distro, this is a known bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/67710 |
| 09:49.01 | wols | robboplus: look for the bind() call and change its parameter |
| 09:49.07 | aspWork | fengor, sure i can, haven't tried, but thats an option |
| 09:49.16 | robboplus | wols oh wow, is it really THIS easy? |
| 09:49.16 | aspWork | shouldn't it tell me if it fails to find the driver? |
| 09:49.18 | wols | robboplus: this is ubuntu. what has ubuntu to do with debian again? |
| 09:49.28 | fengor | if you can confiure the card without dhcp than it isnt lacking the driver |
| 09:49.32 | aspWork | as it is now it tries and then complains that i didn't recieve the dhcp information |
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| 09:49.54 | wols | aspWork: custom kernel... (if it's really lacking that driver) |
| 09:49.55 | SpeedyG | aspWork: maybe your dhcp isnt running/configured to suply the box with an IP |
| 09:50.02 | fengor | well then check your dhcp server |
| 09:50.03 | wols | 8111 is a wlan? |
| 09:50.04 | robboplus | wols that should go to rmaj, not me :) |
| 09:50.16 | wols | robboplus: true |
| 09:50.19 | robboplus | he he |
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| 09:50.28 | wols | aspWork: have you checked if there is a network interface with ifconfig -a ? |
| 09:50.48 | wols | aspWork: you could also try /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 09:51.15 | robboplus | wols so is it really this easy as chaging the bind() stuff in source? or should i expect troubles? not really good with netcode stuff... |
| 09:51.30 | aspWork | SpeedyG, it is, this box is running in the same network, and the windows install on the realtek box is getting the dhcp |
| 09:51.31 | wols | robboplus: really that easy |
| 09:51.33 | robboplus | just worried about some bad tricks in there |
| 09:51.39 | aspWork | wols, ok, ill try that |
| 09:51.49 | wols | robboplus: it's not a good way to edit it, so don't redistribute, but it works just fine |
| 09:52.04 | wols | aspWork: wlan or wired? |
| 09:52.08 | robboplus | wols many thanks - i will dig in the code right away |
| 09:52.31 | wols | robboplus: and you better have a static IP to put in there |
| 09:52.32 | aspWork | wired |
| 09:52.40 | wols | then definitely try kmuto |
| 09:52.53 | robboplus | wols oh yes.. my ips are static on that box |
| 09:52.58 | SpeedyG | aspWork: hm, does that 8111 card get recognized by windows automatically? I recal having problems with it in winXP |
| 09:52.59 | mike1o | !dvb |
| 09:52.59 | dpkg | dvb is, like, DigitalVideoBroadcast.MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally.See http://www.linuxtv.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB for more infos |
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| 09:53.08 | wols | also you could just install and copy the network driver later, run depmod -a and you can use it |
| 09:53.09 | creature | I'd settle right now for knowing how to kick my wifi manually to restart itself, without having to restart the entire laptop. |
| 09:53.15 | robboplus | wols and i assume that for dynamic ips its normal to make it bind to 0.0.0.0 and that's why they did it like that, right? |
| 09:53.22 | wols | not even a package needed. dirty but it works, it's how I got my TI wlan to work |
| 09:53.46 | wols | robboplus: it's normal for everyone to bind to 0.0.0.0 unless the user explicity doesn't want it |
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| 09:53.59 | fengor | aspWork: try setting up the network card manually and see if you can reach the dhcp server |
| 09:54.03 | aspWork | wols, this is with the lenny installer, is kmuto still needed/an option? |
| 09:54.24 | wols | aspWork: dunno. depends ont he kernel there |
| 09:54.41 | wols | btw: there is not really a lenny installer. there are only test versions of the debian installer |
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| 09:54.50 | wols | which happens to install lenny |
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| 09:55.20 | aspWork | ok, think i should give the etch install a try instead? |
| 09:55.40 | aspWork | reason i went with the lenyn was that i tried to get dmraid to work, but i have decided to not use it |
| 09:55.57 | wols | no. default etch uses an older kernel for sure |
| 09:56.05 | aspWork | ok |
| 09:56.08 | wols | and definitely hasn't support for the card if the newer one doesn't |
| 09:56.20 | wols | kmuto is usually the most up to date kernel |
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| 09:57.34 | holycow | hi guys |
| 09:57.44 | wols | hello muh muh |
| 09:57.46 | M0useP0t4t0 | hey |
| 09:58.13 | holycow | when you setup an startup script in /etc/init.d dir and want to make sure that is registered and starts up properly so the rcd stuff is setup right , what command needs to be run? |
| 09:58.22 | holycow | ideally i want this service to startup last |
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| 09:58.50 | wols | update-rc.d |
| 09:59.00 | holycow | danke |
| 09:59.07 | wols | but that's only one of many programs for it |
| 09:59.17 | wols | and when you want to run it last, use S99 |
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| 10:01.05 | SpeedyG | hi, what are the advantages/disadvantages to using lenny instead of etch ? and what would you guys recommend for a desktop machine ? |
| 10:01.24 | holycow | aha sweet |
| 10:01.25 | holycow | thx |
| 10:01.30 | cast|lir | i recommend etc. |
| 10:02.41 | cast|lir | etch, too, the advantage of lenny is packages are fresher - but things aren't as well tested. and ive found running testing annoying as packages are in a state of flux [thus constantly getting upgraded] |
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| 10:02.50 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have changed some details in my gpg key, like email and comment, now how can I do to update this information on keyservers? |
| 10:03.19 | cast|lir | gonzaloaf: gpg --send-key |
| 10:03.21 | wols | SpeedyG: at this point in time: etch |
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| 10:03.49 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, just that? but I stiil see in the keyserver the old information plus the new one |
| 10:03.56 | SpeedyG | wols: why? :) |
| 10:03.56 | JohnDoh | hi, is there any way i can list all the packages on a specific apt repository? |
| 10:04.00 | wols | as for running testing or sid: if you have to ask... you aren't suited to run it |
| 10:04.10 | cast|lir | gonzaloaf: you can't remove anything from a key on keyserver, only add t oit |
| 10:04.19 | wols | cause etch isn't that old yet to be unusable as desktop |
| 10:05.23 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, so how do they know what information is the true or not? |
| 10:05.26 | cast|lir | gonzaloaf: what you should do is revoke the old uid, that's the best thing you can do |
| 10:05.37 | cast|lir | gonzaloaf: they know its true because the uid packets are signed |
| 10:05.38 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, revoke on the server? |
| 10:05.51 | cast|lir | revoke locally, upload |
| 10:05.52 | wols | gonzaloaf: cause some keys are signed by others some arent' web of trust |
| 10:05.57 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, I did a revsig |
| 10:06.45 | cast|lir | whats your keyid :> |
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| 10:07.04 | gonzaloaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.57 | holycow | i would say it depends on what you want |
| 10:08.05 | holycow | oops wrong window |
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| 10:09.02 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, I mean, doing the 'revsig' is the revoke thing? |
| 10:09.14 | cast|lir | revuid :) |
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| 10:09.46 | cast|lir | long time to answer, was screwing around to see whos key i could grab with revoked uids |
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| 10:11.57 | HNT | Hello I'm running Debian etch on a MSI Laptop with a 6100 Nvidia Card. I'm trying to use the nvidia proprietary driver (using module assistant). When I start the X server I'v got a lot of vertical color line and nothing after that, any idea ? |
| 10:12.16 | ringo999 | hi. im trying to make use of guessnet in my /etc/network/interfaces file. however, when running "ifup -a" i get "guessnet: Link beat detection (mii) failed: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 10:12.22 | ringo999 | what does that mean? |
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| 10:12.34 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, I cant because I did revsig before :( |
| 10:13.11 | cast|lir | hmm, the revuid revokes a sig, so maybe revsig could be done that was equivilent |
| 10:13.18 | cast|lir | but i can not remember, #gnupg will know |
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| 10:13.38 | ringo999 | also, my irc connection constantly lags, mostly even times out. where to start debugging this problem? |
| 10:14.22 | rmaj | interesting |
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| 10:14.35 | rmaj | yet another ubuntu box fails to support keyboard |
| 10:14.49 | rmaj | I observe the same bug on debian, wonder is it the same |
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| 10:14.57 | GhostlyDeath | There's a bug in GNOME Keyboard - it just crashes whenever it starts |
| 10:15.11 | gonzaloaf | cast|lir, [ revoked] (4) Gonzalo Alvarez Flores (Follow the white rabbit) <gonzaloaf@gmail.com> |
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| 10:18.53 | rmaj | how to report bug that occures in older ubuntu, and in current debian (I guess its xlib/xorg, not kernel) |
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| 10:19.29 | gonzaloaf | would it be ok a self signature? |
| 10:19.39 | gonzaloaf | would it be ok a self signature of my gpg key?? |
| 10:20.04 | rmaj | gonzaloaf: for what? |
| 10:20.16 | gonzaloaf | dont know |
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| 10:20.37 | rmaj | gonzaloaf: what are you trying to do |
| 10:21.15 | gonzaloaf | rmaj, editing and try to validate my keys |
| 10:22.59 | slapfaceware | anyone use xname? |
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| 10:26.58 | bogor | My friend has debian sarge. Now it grub is corrupted. grub hangs at loading stage 1.5 Can i use the 1st cd to restore grub. My friend tried using 1st cd, but it goes to the installer |
| 10:27.46 | petemc | !fixmbr |
| 10:27.47 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
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| 10:28.45 | rmaj | how to use less archaic versions of say GNOME in debian testing? |
| 10:29.03 | bogor | thanks dpkg, will try that. |
| 10:29.03 | dpkg | bogor: sure thing |
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| 10:30.01 | gryfie_ | hi I want to rfecomile the kernel with make-kpkg kernel-image with the --revision option |
| 10:30.01 | obsethryl | rmaj: install from volatile or unstable |
| 10:30.09 | rmaj | volatile? |
| 10:30.25 | gryfie_ | I tried already onece and want to try a 2nd time, with a diffrent name |
| 10:30.28 | obsethryl | rmaj: http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 10:30.47 | obsethryl | rmaj: i dont use gnome myself so I dont know the gnome edition available in volatile |
| 10:31.10 | gryfie_ | it tells me : I note, that yiz are using the revision glag with the value (The name bevore) |
| 10:31.13 | gryfie_ | and I can't use another name now |
| 10:31.15 | M0useP0t4t0 | easier way to fix MBR would be the Knoppix way |
| 10:31.39 | gryfie_ | "Iam am confued by this discrepany and am halting" |
| 10:31.39 | rmaj | thanks obsethryl |
| 10:31.56 | obsethryl | rmaj: np, read all instructions first |
| 10:32.01 | M0useP0t4t0 | Like, you boot with knoppix, then do 'sudo mount -o dev,rw /mnt/[name of the device] |
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| 10:32.30 | M0useP0t4t0 | then sudo chroot /mnt/[name of the device] |
| 10:32.39 | M0useP0t4t0 | or root partition |
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| 10:33.00 | M0useP0t4t0 | and then, grub-install /dev/[name of the first HDD] |
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| 10:35.09 | tls_81 | morning, anyone know of a tool to repair or read a broken SD card? |
| 10:35.49 | tls_81 | lsusb detects the hardware but system doesnot create Special file. have tried doing so using mknod but still cannot mount usb disk... |
| 10:36.18 | tls_81 | so am assuming card is broken since no other computer can read the usb card... |
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| 10:36.52 | gryfie_ | how do i compile a second time the kernel with make--kpkg and a new versionname? |
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| 10:42.27 | kubitz | I wanted to understand the totally free thing - for example why can't Deb include Firefox? I always thought FF was completeley open? |
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| 10:43.05 | kubitz | i'm coming to this as a new user btw |
| 10:43.14 | linio | kubitz: google firefox iceweasel |
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| 10:43.22 | obsethryl | kubitz: debian includes firefox, it is simply rebranded as iceweasel |
| 10:43.30 | obsethryl | same applies for seamonkey, rebranded as iceape |
| 10:43.50 | nooblar1 | isn't icewesel supposed to be pure gnu? |
| 10:43.51 | kubitz | yeah I did see that but I missed the why? |
| 10:44.06 | kubitz | Ah it's to do with the licences? |
| 10:44.15 | kubitz | Firefox is the wrong licence |
| 10:44.16 | cydork | !why icewesel |
| 10:44.16 | obsethryl | kubitz: it is a question of copyrights that do not fit into the debian guidelines |
| 10:44.30 | kubitz | So it's like atechnicality? |
| 10:44.40 | kubitz | sorry about typos |
| 10:44.42 | obsethryl | kubitz: more like a legal technicality |
| 10:44.44 | cydork | !why iceweasel |
| 10:44.44 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for more information. |
| 10:44.49 | obsethryl | kubitz: no worries |
| 10:44.59 | kubitz | Iceweasel is agood name actually |
| 10:45.07 | obsethryl | cydork: i will keep this trigger for next time somebody asks :) |
| 10:45.29 | cydork | kubitz: you might be interested in reading the bug report for more details .. |
| 10:45.39 | kubitz | It caused my bank a few problems but then I read ahow to change my user agent line |
| 10:46.14 | kubitz | And I assume because of it's licence that's perfectly ok to do that? |
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| 10:47.37 | kubitz | The trouble is my bank only recognises the firefox keyword - everything else is ignored |
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| 10:48.18 | cydork | kubitz: complain to your bank? |
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| 10:49.02 | kubitz | cydork: I did they said they want to exclude Opera users basically |
| 10:49.17 | kubitz | They have issues with the way Opera impements Javascript |
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| 10:49.51 | kubitz | Whether that's any of their business I'm not sure but they are going to include Iceweasel in the acceptable list soon |
| 10:49.56 | rmaj | now gnome screen locking fails... |
| 10:50.01 | rmaj | nothing can work flawlessly? |
| 10:50.30 | rmaj | apparently X screen saver deamon died. |
| 10:50.59 | rmaj | in testing X screen saver (blank screen) crashes. jesus |
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| 10:52.45 | M0useP0t4t0 | MY sceenSaver doesn't work on etch |
| 10:52.57 | rmaj | M0useP0t4t0: did you filed in a bug report? |
| 10:53.10 | M0useP0t4t0 | no, am I supposed to? |
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| 10:53.25 | M0useP0t4t0 | I just thought I am n00b & shut-up |
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| 10:53.38 | kubitz | The other question I have is about printers - the only spare printer I have an old lexmark z600 series and the driver you can download is propietary - does that mean it will be harder to locate and remove if it doesn't work. I've managed to locate other things I wanted to remove by reading the install scripts. Is there any other way to see what to remove if it doesn't work? |
| 10:54.25 | rmaj | M0useP0t4t0: yes you should |
| 10:54.32 | rmaj | M0useP0t4t0: how exacly it "does not work"? |
| 10:54.48 | kubitz | Unless of course any of you know of an open driver for that printer - I certainly couldn't find one |
| 10:55.35 | M0useP0t4t0 | Like, I configure it in advance mode & make it to lock screen when I place cursor to left corner |
| 10:55.40 | M0useP0t4t0 | and it doesn't work |
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| 11:05.55 | MajorPoopyPants | what package do I need to install to get killall? |
| 11:06.00 | MajorPoopyPants | I seem to be missing that |
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| 11:07.03 | linio | apt-cache search killall |
| 11:07.33 | torgrimt | hi guys ;) |
| 11:07.38 | |porta| | I'm looking for a good mail server for my system. Anyideas? |
| 11:07.47 | torgrimt | is it just me or is libssl-dev broken? |
| 11:07.56 | torgrimt | in sarge |
| 11:07.57 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 11:07.58 | torgrimt | libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7e-3sarge4) but 0.9.7e-3sarge5 is to be installed |
| 11:08.14 | torgrimt | |porta|: postfix is usually doing the job just fine ;) |
| 11:08.16 | linio | torgrimt: apt-get update? |
| 11:08.19 | MajorPoopyPants | linio, ok - and? |
| 11:08.22 | torgrimt | linio: dosent help.. |
| 11:08.41 | MajorPoopyPants | psmisc - Utilities that use the proc filesystem |
| 11:08.41 | MajorPoopyPants | sysvinit-utils - System-V-like utilities |
| 11:08.41 | MajorPoopyPants | ' |
| 11:08.47 | J-roen | Hi, I'd like to install a newer version of php5-imagick than is current in testing and unstable, because some bugs in the alpha version of php5-imagick kill my application. The stable version is available since 2-oct-07. How can I do this? |
| 11:09.09 | linio | MajorPoopyPants: apt-file search killall |
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| 11:09.29 | |porta| | torgrimt: ty! it sends and receives? |
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| 11:09.41 | MajorPoopyPants | apt-file: command not found |
| 11:09.46 | torgrimt | |porta|: hehe jes it does |
| 11:09.53 | |porta| | :-) |
| 11:09.57 | |porta| | torgrimt: thank you |
| 11:09.58 | MajorPoopyPants | linio, anything else I should try? |
| 11:10.03 | ackron | J-roen: easy way is just to wait for new package relase |
| 11:10.11 | linio | apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update |
| 11:10.44 | ackron | J-roen: hardway would be on getting the source of the current package aplying patches and recreate new packages for the new version |
| 11:11.03 | streuner | hm |
| 11:11.16 | J-roen | ackron: That sounds the only solution to me, but is there a manual for this somewhere? |
| 11:12.07 | ackron | J-roen: it's pear right, than you can use pear to install the update |
| 11:12.28 | MajorPoopyPants | linio thanks - looks like psmisc |
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| 11:12.58 | J-roen | ackron: I can check that indeed, but actually it's a PECL package. |
| 11:13.01 | MajorPoopyPants | linio thank you very much! |
| 11:13.09 | MajorPoopyPants | Youre the man |
| 11:14.02 | J-roen | ackron: I don't think there's a PEAR package for imagick. |
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| 11:15.23 | Leopard | Hello |
| 11:15.31 | Leopard | how do i use the bot in here? |
| 11:15.38 | Leopard | !help |
| 11:15.46 | linio | torgrimt: on my sarge box update went ok |
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| 11:16.23 | torgrimt | linio: i found the bug. im using a apt-proxy, and it didnt get files from security.debian.org. so i added that and it worked ;) thanks anyway |
| 11:16.55 | ackron | J-roen: pecl also has an interface to update packages |
| 11:17.54 | J-roen | ackron: I see now indeed :). Unfortunately, it doesn't work yet (phpize: command not found). Do you know which package contains 'phpize'? |
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| 11:18.55 | linio | J-roen: apt-get install apt-file ... |
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| 11:20.14 | J-roen | linio: Thanks, I figured out it is contained by php-dev. |
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| 11:23.10 | Leopard | whats the command for the fairtytale? |
| 11:24.57 | Leopard | !fairy tale |
| 11:25.04 | Leopard | !story |
| 11:25.04 | dpkg | well, story is he crazy, he thought as he walked along the pier and gazed at the dark water, then there in the water, he saw a black creature covered in scales |
| 11:25.21 | Leopard | can i send to IM from this channel ? |
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| 11:25.33 | AnAnt | Hello, what is equivalent to kbd's setfont in console-tools package ? |
| 11:25.35 | Leopard | !factinfo | ledet |
| 11:25.36 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as | ledet, Leopard |
| 11:25.53 | Leopard | !factinfo | Leopard |
| 11:25.54 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as | leopard, Leopard |
| 11:26.08 | petemc | Leopard: msg the bot |
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| 11:26.14 | petemc | fable |
| 11:26.42 | Leopard | pete : can i send a request to the bot from this channel |
| 11:26.46 | Leopard | so it will IM me? |
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| 11:26.53 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.58 | petemc | without the space.. |
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| 11:27.17 | Leopard | no i mean more like command and then send to whoever needs it |
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| 11:27.25 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.40 | Leopard | !tell Leopard about fable |
| 11:27.44 | Leopard | ty :) |
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| 11:27.54 | asdzxc | hi |
| 11:27.58 | asdzxc | my load average is 11! |
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| 11:28.11 | asdzxc | how can i get some info what's going on ? |
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| 11:28.22 | J-roen | ackron: I installed php5-dev. Now when running `pecl install imagick` it tries to recompile PHP but exists with: "'/tmp/pear/cache/imagick-2.0.0/configure --with-imagick' failed". Do you know what's wrong? |
| 11:28.31 | J-roen | exists = exits :D |
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| 11:28.44 | petemc | asdzxc: top, ps |
| 11:28.53 | petemc | asdzxc: ps aux|grep D |
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| 11:29.26 | asdzxc | petemc why D ? |
| 11:29.33 | petemc | diskwait |
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| 11:29.44 | asdzxc | petemc STAT ? |
| 11:29.48 | petemc | in my experience, thats what most commonly makes the load climb |
| 11:29.52 | asdzxc | petemc no procs in STAT D |
| 11:30.00 | petemc | so its not that, then.. |
| 11:31.02 | Althaser | someone with this problem -> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtNetwork.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv ?? please |
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| 11:32.21 | asdzxc | petemc how can i see what procs are doing that big load average ? |
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| 11:32.38 | asdzxc | or which application is causing this |
| 11:32.39 | petemc | asdzxc: did you look at top yet? |
| 11:32.50 | Leopard | petemc : how should i give commands to DPKG in IM? |
| 11:33.06 | asdzxc | petemc yes but can't see any wrong things |
| 11:33.11 | petemc | Leopard: /msg dpkg foo , then you should have a query window open |
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| 11:33.17 | asdzxc | petemc but now i see some bad messages in dmesg |
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| 11:33.25 | asdzxc | petemc ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen |
| 11:33.32 | asdzxc | Atalanta: abnormal status 0xD0 on port 0x1897 |
| 11:33.37 | asdzxc | ata1: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs |
| 11:33.49 | asdzxc | lots of these are there |
| 11:33.52 | Leopard | http://i21.tinypic.com/317e6tu.png <-- DPKG is my new friend :) |
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| 11:34.00 | Leopard | where can i get a debian live cd? |
| 11:34.04 | asdzxc | qw |
| 11:34.17 | asdzxc | i'll try reboot that machine |
| 11:34.20 | asdzxc | hope it will come up |
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| 11:36.21 | AnAnt | sorry power went off |
| 11:36.38 | AnAnt | does anyone know what's the replace of kbd's setfont in consoletools package ? |
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| 11:38.14 | J-roen | Thanks ackron, it works great! |
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| 11:40.36 | Leopard | J-roentje ;) |
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| 11:42.38 | Leopard | J-roen alles goed? |
| 11:42.51 | koenig | Hai guise, I need flash in my amd64 box, so I figured I could run a 32-bit binary iceweasel and then install problemlessly the flash plugin. Where can I find this package? |
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| 11:43.44 | myst | koenig: in i386 port? |
| 11:43.58 | obsethryl | anyone had sudden issues with m4a playback in amarok btw? |
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| 11:44.22 | obsethryl | i have debian-multimedia repo installed correctly, first time i get this behaviour: it played before, it does not play now :s |
| 11:44.34 | koenig | myst, no, I'm running the amd64 version, but I can run i386 binaries, right? |
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| 11:44.58 | obsethryl | problem is only with amarok, and it was not there before; libxine1-* and amarok-* are installed |
| 11:45.53 | myst | koenig: yes, but dependencies... You can't just install package from i386 port |
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| 11:46.20 | myst | koenig: you should build your own package, compiled for i386 but with depends for amd64 |
| 11:46.27 | myst | try to search net |
| 11:46.52 | myst | there is one built already on the net I think |
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| 11:49.01 | koenig | myst, hmmm, thanks! |
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| 11:50.08 | sep | how do you make network-manager redetect network cards ? eg after modprobe ath_pci |
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| 11:52.33 | obsethryl | fixed, autoremove had removed an important dependency |
| 11:52.39 | obsethryl | bug filling time :) |
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| 11:53.58 | MajorPoopyPants | wow fms runs like a BEAST on debian! |
| 11:54.04 | MajorPoopyPants | im very impressed! |
| 11:54.10 | robboplus | what kind of trouble does it typically mean? |
| 11:54.11 | Nyle | fms? |
| 11:54.11 | robboplus | ifconfig eth0:1 up |
| 11:54.11 | robboplus | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 11:54.18 | MajorPoopyPants | Flash media server 2 |
| 11:54.23 | MajorPoopyPants | im very, very happy |
| 11:54.24 | Nyle | what is that? |
| 11:54.28 | Nyle | flash streaming server? |
| 11:54.34 | MajorPoopyPants | yeah, new version |
| 11:54.51 | Nyle | MajorPoopyPants: what did you need it for? |
| 11:54.57 | MajorPoopyPants | with the minimal install I dont really have to run anything but apache and fms on the box |
| 11:55.01 | robboplus | MajorPoopyPants hm what's flash media server 2? are you building youtube clone? :) |
| 11:55.09 | MajorPoopyPants | not quite |
| 11:55.15 | Nyle | there is a youtube clone |
| 11:55.16 | MajorPoopyPants | more like a stickam "clone" |
| 11:55.19 | Nyle | its in Urdu/Hindi |
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| 11:55.25 | Nyle | its called TumTube |
| 11:55.28 | MajorPoopyPants | but all the stuff is all given away by adobe |
| 11:55.30 | Nyle | Tum in hindi/urdu mean 'you' |
| 11:55.32 | Nyle | :D |
| 11:55.38 | MajorPoopyPants | its not like anyone in the world couldn't do it |
| 11:55.40 | robboplus | can you stream any media using fms? or is it just for flash files? |
| 11:55.48 | Nyle | just flash i think |
| 11:55.52 | robboplus | :( |
| 11:55.55 | MajorPoopyPants | get a 5k license, and an 8 core server with dual giga connects and you're good to go |
| 11:56.03 | Nyle | umm |
| 11:56.07 | robboplus | MajorPoopyPants for what? |
| 11:56.14 | Nyle | or you can just use free and opensource software |
| 11:56.21 | Nyle | and not have to worry about licensing bullshit |
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| 11:56.38 | MajorPoopyPants | its not for flash files , its for streaming media |
| 11:56.46 | MajorPoopyPants | its got other uses but I havent messed with them yet |
| 11:57.13 | MajorPoopyPants | the dev version is free |
| 11:57.40 | MajorPoopyPants | the system reqs say it recommends a pretty crazy setup |
| 11:57.55 | MajorPoopyPants | but its running on my overclocked celeron very nicely |
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| 11:59.42 | MajorPoopyPants | I can have 6-7 people on, doesnt use much cpu |
| 11:59.50 | MajorPoopyPants | pretty bandwidth intensive |
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| 12:04.20 | hardcampa | Guys the default mail check which you can see when you log in (the "You got mail" thingy), where is that setup? PAM? |
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| 12:04.37 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 12:04.43 | hardcampa | As I'm using virtual users, it doesn't find my real mailbox as it is |
| 12:04.56 | tamiya | Whats the name of an easy to use GUI DVD ripper for Linux? |
| 12:05.24 | tamiya | i had it on my PC but can't remember the name |
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| 12:05.55 | MajorPoopyPants | acidrip tamiya |
| 12:06.06 | MajorPoopyPants | might be spelled differently but I think that is right |
| 12:06.13 | tamiya | that sound familiar!! |
| 12:06.14 | MajorPoopyPants | it doesn't really get much easier than that |
| 12:06.43 | tamiya | Thanks MajorPoopyPants |
| 12:06.58 | MajorPoopyPants | np |
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| 12:08.34 | netcrash | Hello , off topic but ...anybody here uses smokeping ? I have smokeping reporting on a host I have removed from the config , don't know where he is getting this info about the host . |
| 12:08.35 | zer0mdq | hello |
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| 12:09.31 | zer0mdq | hey, does anyone know what happend with the VLC ? |
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| 12:10.01 | zer0mdq | i'd just did an aptitude install vlc and it tells me that cannot find that package :S |
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| 12:10.21 | zer0mdq | (i'm using the official repos from france for lenny) |
| 12:10.42 | cydork | !why vlc is not in testing |
| 12:10.42 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 12:11.08 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i am using proftpd as my ftp deamon.. but when i try to transfer a file with total commander it says transfer failed |
| 12:11.16 | fuzzy_logic | how can i fix that? |
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| 12:12.03 | zer0mdq | ohh.......so.......do you know when will be back on testing ? |
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| 12:12.42 | indu | hi all |
| 12:12.54 | indu | my notebook is working well with projector |
| 12:13.09 | cydork | zer0mdq: did you read the page? i will go in when the depenedancies are resolved. |
| 12:13.11 | indu | but when i play a video in totem player or any |
| 12:13.24 | indu | the video is not displayed in the output of projector |
| 12:13.34 | zer0mdq | yes |
| 12:13.34 | indu | whereas, in my laptop the video is running as usual |
| 12:13.46 | zer0mdq | thanks a lot |
| 12:13.51 | zer0mdq | ;) |
| 12:13.52 | cydork | bahh s/i/it/ |
| 12:13.58 | indu | is there any extra configurations that need to be done for video output in projector? |
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| 12:22.41 | indu | any one have any idea about such problem in laptops / |
| 12:22.43 | indu | ? |
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| 12:26.44 | Kaiserlich | hi all. this is not debian-related, but does anyone know of any good resource in helping to understand subnetworking? |
| 12:27.11 | xand | ##networking |
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| 12:28.19 | orlandoj | how can i correct the error dpkg: dpkg: ../../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed."): ? |
| 12:28.48 | orlandoj | it happens after to do an dpkg --reconfigure -a |
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| 12:30.25 | Kaiserlich | xand: thanks! |
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| 12:32.22 | hark | orlandoj: you mean --configure |
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| 12:38.58 | oz_ | hi |
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| 12:39.04 | HS^ | for internal work, what would you do.. if you had to chose: php or c++ |
| 12:39.37 | oz_ | I need help runnig a windows program with wine on a linux terminal. Is possible to run wine trough samba ? |
| 12:39.40 | gcbirzan | Neither. Though, it depends on what you want to do. :-) |
| 12:40.09 | xand | HS^: they're designed for completely different things |
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| 12:40.27 | xand | HS^: that's like saying "would you use a saw or a screwdriver" |
| 12:40.31 | HS^ | xand yes but im thinking on one hand php is easy, on the other hand c++ can give big headaches |
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| 12:42.14 | SpeedyG | xand: if you put it that way, they're both very suitable for breaking a board, but I guess a saw would be better ;) |
| 12:43.12 | oz_ | can I use the 'wine' command like this wine smb:\someserver\file\run.exe on a linux ? |
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| 12:44.32 | spq | are there "good" open source cluster file systems available? |
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| 12:49.52 | aspWork | if debian ses the nics and i have eth0 and eth1, does this mean that i have a driver? |
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| 12:51.02 | Kaiserlich | oz_: i guess you need to mount the smb share first |
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| 12:51.51 | oz_ | Kaiserlich, It is already mounted. I'm not sure what is the line to type |
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| 12:52.18 | Kaiserlich | oz_: how about "wine /path/to/smbshare/run.exe"? |
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| 12:52.51 | oz_ | Kaiserlich, I tried... but wine won't really like it... |
| 12:53.06 | cchance | I have seem to have forgoten how i set up my box is there a comand that will tell me the box's IP address |
| 12:53.19 | Kaiserlich | oz_: what does it say? |
| 12:53.42 | oz_ | it says this: wine: cannot find 'smb://server/acct/BWProg/Client%20Setup/BWSetup |
| 12:54.15 | aspWork | oz_, if its mounted localy, dont use smb:// |
| 12:54.18 | aspWork | just type the path |
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| 12:54.39 | aspWork | cchance, ifconfig? |
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| 12:55.08 | oz_ | aspWork, how do I know if it mounted localy ? I conected to it via the 'Places ->Network Servers' |
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| 12:55.14 | cchance | ifconfig |
| 12:55.17 | cchance | ok one sec |
| 12:55.28 | oz_ | aspWork, should I mount this smb share via mount ? |
| 12:55.48 | aspWork | oz_, dono is you should, but i would |
| 12:55.49 | cchance | ifconfig |
| 12:55.50 | thrashy | I get error: gc.h not found when compiling something, anyone know what i need? |
| 12:55.50 | cchance | ? |
| 12:55.56 | cchance | i get no command |
| 12:56.23 | oz_ | asp, well I meant to say that I didn't know it's possible... there you go I'm doing it now... |
| 12:56.30 | aspWork | cchance, with ifconfig? are you using debian? |
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| 12:56.37 | cchance | yes etch |
| 12:56.42 | Trewas | cchance: /sbin/ifconfig, in case /sbin is not in path |
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| 12:56.48 | cchance | although |
| 12:56.53 | cchance | it is a small version of it |
| 12:57.00 | cchance | i got the one that wasnt big |
| 12:57.50 | cchance | sbin worked |
| 12:57.59 | oz_ | aspWork, I get the same error trying to mount it... |
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| 12:58.31 | Ronin | thrashy: what are you trying to compile? is it not avaiable in aptitude? |
| 12:58.33 | oz_ | aspWork, it says that the share does not exists |
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| 12:59.38 | cchance | but i cant access it over the network |
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| 13:00.23 | Kaiserlich | oz_: did you provide "mount" with a correct path? |
| 13:01.27 | oz_ | Kaiserlich, yes I did. But I don't know how to supply the user and password needed for this connection. when I try via nautilus I'm prompted to the user and pass. |
| 13:01.35 | Drgb | hello, whenever I try to run some apps (gnome-panel, gnome-calculator) I get an error saying that "libgnomebreakpad.so" could not be found. libgnomebreakpad.so shows in bug-buddy, and I have the latest version of bug-buddy installed. what can I do? |
| 13:01.42 | oz_ | Kaiserlich, how do i do it via CLI ? |
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| 13:02.24 | Kaiserlich | oz_: i googled "mount samba shares" and found this page amongst others http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/sysadmin-guide/s1-samba-connect-share.html |
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| 13:02.55 | oz_ | Kaiserlich, sometime you just know what to google. |
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| 13:03.09 | oz_ | Kaiserlich, 10x. I'll look into it |
| 13:03.53 | thrashyy | Ronin, I'm trying to compile + install w3m. I tried apt-get but its not in the repo |
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| 13:04.57 | stew | thrashyy: what is not in the repo? w3m? |
| 13:04.58 | thrashyy | yes stew |
| 13:04.58 | stew | oz_: you should be using cifs, not smbfs, tw |
| 13:04.58 | stew | thrashyy: it is most certainly in debian |
| 13:05.11 | stew | thrashyy: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy"? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:05.15 | Kaiserlich | oz_: the smbmount(8) man page might be useful too |
| 13:05.46 | oz_ | stew, Kaiserlich - hold on ... you're both too fast for me... |
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| 13:06.44 | oz_ | Kaiserlich, I haven't got this manual page. Am I missing some program ? |
| 13:07.03 | oz_ | stew, what is cifs ? |
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| 13:07.36 | stew | oz_: a replacement for cifs that should be used unless you are trying to mount a share from a very old version windows |
| 13:07.51 | stew | oz_: err, cifs is a replacement for smbfs |
| 13:08.15 | Kaiserlich | oz_: well, if you're about to use cifs maybe that's no problem :) |
| 13:08.19 | thrashyy | Sorry it took so long, lost connection to my box for some reason, anyway: apt-cache policy: http://rafb.net/p/2opmJl38.html |
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| 13:09.13 | oz_ | Ok, then I should use "mount cifs path to server" ? |
| 13:09.26 | stew | thrashyy: you need to add a debian "main" mirror, all you have now is security which is not a full repository, it only contains packages which have had recent security fixes |
| 13:09.30 | oz_ | how do I supply the password and the user for connection ? |
| 13:09.34 | stew | thrashyy: /msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 13:10.23 | valdyn | oh geez, 3103m 2.5g 736 S 2 65.3 0:30.28 xfs_repair |
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| 13:10.48 | cchance | debian doesnt block LAN connections by default does it |
| 13:11.03 | stew | oz_: iirc: mount -t cifs -o user=username,password=password //servername/export /mount/point |
| 13:11.05 | hark | oz_: install smbfs |
| 13:11.09 | valdyn | cchance: what is that supposed to mean? |
| 13:11.15 | stew | cchance: no |
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| 13:11.42 | valdyn | cchance: lan to inet is blocked by default , vica versa too naturally |
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| 13:11.48 | py_ | hello |
| 13:12.04 | py_ | when I plug an usb device, I get this in kernel log: usb 5-2.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 42. The string "5-2.4" means it is connected to port 2 of 2nd device of bus 5. But I can't find that information anywhere else, eg in lsusb output. Is there a tool reporting that data along with other informations reported by lsusb -v ? |
| 13:12.10 | xula | a stupid question: i have installed debian on my laptop, and my CPU fan never stops revolving, it's so noise. but winxp doesn't do that stupid thing. I have tried to set my CPU freq to the lowest, but it is still revolving. |
| 13:12.13 | oz_ | stew, I got an error - wrong fs type system. is this related to what hark said ? should I install smbfs ? |
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| 13:12.35 | cchance | wait lan to inet? |
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| 13:13.01 | cchance | stew, Valdyn, for somereason i cant access it on a local network computer |
| 13:13.20 | stew | cchance: what are you trying to do? how are you trying to access it? what error do youget? |
| 13:13.49 | xula | is there a way to control the temperature level that active the fan? |
| 13:13.56 | stew | oz_: you need samba-common installed, i think, i don't know what else |
| 13:14.04 | cchance | trying to ether access it on port 80 or 22 and for 22 i get network timeout |
| 13:14.33 | stew | cchance: can you ping it? |
| 13:14.38 | cchance | one sec |
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| 13:15.02 | cchance | yes |
| 13:15.15 | stew | cchance: is it on the same subnet? |
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| 13:15.36 | cchance | 192.168.0.1 | 192.168.0.2 |
| 13:15.54 | cchance | ME | IT |
| 13:16.00 | MajorPoopyPants | acpid is really slow to start and stop, is there any way I could speed it up |
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| 13:17.36 | stew | cchance: can you run "netstat -lnt | grep 22" on 192.168.0.2 and see what ip address (if any) it is listening to port 22 on? |
| 13:18.13 | cchance | ok |
| 13:18.54 | et | is there a nice way to get g++ < 4.0 on lenny? |
| 13:19.14 | cchance | it didnt output anything |
| 13:19.54 | stew | et: aptitude install g++-3.4 |
| 13:20.15 | oz_ | stew, I have now installed smbfs and samba-common. I tried your above command. can you look in the paste and tell me what's wrong ? http://pastebin.com/m5471234f |
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| 13:20.17 | stew | cchance: then that machine isn't listening on port 22, which might explain why you can't connect to it on port 22 |
| 13:20.26 | cchance | i might |
| 13:20.28 | cchance | it* |
| 13:20.38 | cchance | but now the question is how do i change that |
| 13:20.39 | py_ | how can I get the number of seconds elapsed since epoch on the command line? |
| 13:20.52 | stew | oz_: you shouldn't have smb: in front of the machine name |
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| 13:21.04 | stew | c |
| 13:21.10 | stew | cchance: aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 13:21.19 | cchance | omg |
| 13:21.26 | cchance | i cant belive i forgot to install it |
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| 13:21.36 | et | stew: oh. i seem to have missed that in (visual) aptitude |
| 13:21.43 | stew | py_: date +%s |
| 13:21.45 | oz_ | stew, even without smb: in the front it won't work |
| 13:22.05 | stew | oz_: what error do you get? |
| 13:22.15 | oz_ | i'm putting it in the paste |
| 13:22.46 | stew | oz_: does the server name actually resolve to an ip address? |
| 13:22.50 | oz_ | http://pastebin.com/m47bc7ff3 |
| 13:23.16 | stew | oz_: the name of ther server is "company"? |
| 13:23.30 | oz_ | stew, you mean 'does it have and ip adress ?' yeah it has some ip adress in our in internal LAN |
| 13:23.47 | stew | oz_: what does "getent hosts company" return? |
| 13:23.56 | oz_ | stew, yeap.... The previous admin did it |
| 13:24.38 | oz_ | stew, it returns nothing |
| 13:24.47 | py_ | stew: thx a lot |
| 13:24.52 | cchance | well yeah that fixed port 22 but what about port 80 |
| 13:25.03 | stew | cchance: start a webserver |
| 13:25.11 | cchance | apache is installed |
| 13:25.17 | stew | cchance: start it |
| 13:25.29 | cchance | sont it start on boot up |
| 13:25.32 | stew | oz_: that is your problem. you need to have the name of the server resolvable, either by fixing dns or adding an entry to /etc/hosts |
| 13:25.33 | cchance | dont* |
| 13:25.48 | stew | cchance: that would explain why you can't connect to it |
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| 13:26.08 | cchance | i feel like a jackass |
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| 13:26.20 | hatter | How long will sarge get security updates for ? |
| 13:26.25 | stew | oz_: you are sure that that the machine you are connecting to is named "company" and the name of the export on "company" is "SERVER/acct/BWProg/" ? |
| 13:26.30 | stew | hatter: until june |
| 13:26.37 | hatter | stew, thx |
| 13:27.02 | stew | hatter: when debian releases, the previous release gets security support for one year or until the NEXT release |
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| 13:27.09 | stew | hatter: (whichever isshorter) |
| 13:27.10 | oz_ | stew, I'm not sure about nothing. But this what shows when I drag the file from the nautilus to terminal |
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| 13:27.26 | hatter | stew, right :) thx |
| 13:27.37 | oz_ | stew, I have the ip adress. How do I use the ip adress ? |
| 13:27.42 | pumpkin0 | my licq stopped working. Is the icq-network down or did the protocol change ? |
| 13:29.07 | cchance | ok apache2 is started but do i got to setit up to bind? |
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| 13:29.21 | oz_ | stew, I did this with ip. still erronous ... http://pastebin.com/m3b126d81 |
| 13:29.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | any ideas how to get data off a floppy formatted on a Mac SE using MacOS 6.x? |
| 13:29.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | its formated as a double sided 768K disc |
| 13:30.04 | pumpkin0 | Kamping_Kaiser: what does "file" say about the disc ? |
| 13:30.12 | Kaiserlich | oz_: can you ping the ip address? |
| 13:30.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | pumpkin0, /dev/fd0: block special (2/0) |
| 13:30.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | dd pulled 0 records :( |
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| 13:31.09 | pumpkin0 | Kamping_Kaiser: file -s /dev/... ? |
| 13:31.17 | stew | oz_: i'd guess that machine doesn't have an export named SERVER/acct/BWProg/ but maybe acct/BWProg/ |
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| 13:31.23 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, any idea how to enable the large_files flag on an ext3 fs ? |
| 13:31.39 | rubymonk | tune2fs man page doesn't seem to refer to this... |
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| 13:31.45 | valdyn | rubymonk: that isn't on by default? |
| 13:32.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | pumpkin0, waiting for it to run |
| 13:32.06 | aspWork | what is the prefered way to get compiz-fusion to run under debian? are there .deb somewhere? Pref id like to run it under lenny but if i have to go sid then thats life i guess |
| 13:32.10 | rubymonk | valdyn, Well, yesterday, fsck said "enabling LARGE_FILES flag" |
| 13:32.22 | rubymonk | so, I'm in doubt.. |
| 13:32.47 | valdyn | rubymonk: that looks like fsck found a fs with large file support |
| 13:33.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | pumpkin0, file -s /dev/fd0 |
| 13:33.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | /dev/fd0: ERROR: cannot read `/dev/fd0' (Input/output error) |
| 13:33.05 | grub_ | aspWork, i run it fine under lenny |
| 13:33.18 | aspWork | grub_, ok, using .debs or built from source? |
| 13:33.21 | rubymonk | Well, maybe... |
| 13:33.26 | rubymonk | I guess so... |
| 13:33.27 | rubymonk | :) |
| 13:33.31 | pumpkin0 | Kamping_Kaiser: i think that disc is dead. dd_rescue may have luck and get some data. |
| 13:33.39 | grub_ | aspWork, check the compiz-fusion wiki. .debs |
| 13:33.48 | valdyn | rubymonk: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 13:33.50 | aspWork | grub_, thnx, i will |
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| 13:34.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | pumpkin0, the mac can read it |
| 13:34.05 | valdyn | ops |
| 13:34.27 | pumpkin0 | Kamping_Kaiser: are you really sure the /dev/fd0 is the right one ? Does it start to read the disc ? |
| 13:34.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm thinking its a drive compatability issue, but i was hoping to avoid some evil dialup-over-something hack :| |
| 13:34.30 | valdyn | aspWork: ^^ |
| 13:34.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | pumpkin0, the floppies 'read' light goes on |
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| 13:35.04 | ChrisW | hey all, how'd I get a cron job to run once a minute> |
| 13:35.06 | ChrisW | ? |
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| 13:35.20 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: im not sure that macs had the same disk layout as pc |
| 13:35.34 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: meaning you possibly cannot read it with a standard pc floppy drive |
| 13:35.35 | pumpkin0 | Kamping_Kaiser: dialup is the right keyword: rsync/telnet the data from Mac to something else.... |
| 13:35.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, grrrrr. thats the last thing i wanted to hear :) |
| 13:35.53 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: pc disk size was 720k |
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| 13:36.16 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: amiga had a freely programmable disk drive, dunno about mac, i know that pc do not |
| 13:36.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | FFS! its own network stack, and floppy type |
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| 13:36.56 | Naitse | hi |
| 13:36.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, sorry to ping you direct - do you know if Linux supports the filesystem on the macs? eg OS6? |
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| 13:37.20 | Naitse | exist a config file to execute a command on the logout of a user? |
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| 13:37.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | .bash_logout |
| 13:38.01 | xand | linux supports HFS, at least for reading |
| 13:38.06 | cchance | stability wise is it better to install php4 or 5 |
| 13:38.10 | xand | cchance: 5 |
| 13:38.17 | xand | cchance: php4 is no longer maintained |
| 13:38.29 | cchance | oh |
| 13:38.52 | cchance | k |
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| 13:39.11 | xand | it already supports UFS |
| 13:39.20 | rubymonk | r/w ? |
| 13:39.47 | xand | maybe, there are many different UFSes |
| 13:40.38 | rubymonk | http://ufs-linux.sourceforge.net/ ro |
| 13:40.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for the info folks :) |
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| 13:41.06 | rubymonk | Oh well, this will happen someday :) |
| 13:41.50 | DustyBin | im thinking about buying a old thinkpad, maybe a X31 / X32 / X40 / X41, anyone have any advice on what model to buy, i will be installing etch on it |
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| 13:44.26 | ackron | rubymonk: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/29/192 should give you a hint |
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| 13:45.35 | rubymonk | Nice hit |
| 13:45.39 | cchance | ok YES apache2 php and mysql are installed and being friendly but i still can not get access to it on port 80 |
| 13:45.40 | rubymonk | Thanks ackron :) |
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| 13:46.34 | py_ | In the kernel logs, lines beginning with usb 5-2.4 are related to "device connected to 4th port of 2nd device on Bus 5". But this information is not available from lsusb -v. In fact I don't know where to get this info apart from looking inside kernel log. Any hint? |
| 13:46.49 | cchance | beacuse i get nothing off of netstat |
| 13:46.57 | py_ | maybe there is a better suited channel for such an usb-related question? |
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| 13:47.20 | stew | py_: hal-device ? lshal? |
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| 13:48.54 | py_ | stew: oh, so you mean that "usb 5-2.4" is a line from hal? very interesting, didn't know that |
| 13:49.11 | stew | py_: no, i mean that you could probably also get the information from hal |
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| 13:49.34 | stew | py_: or probably from somewhere in /sys ; like 'find /sys -name usb\*" |
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| 13:50.17 | RichiH | is a windows newline \r\n or \n\r ? |
| 13:50.27 | oz_ | stew, I tried all the logical combinations I could think of. I can see the files and access the server via nautilus, but so far can't via the mount program |
| 13:50.29 | stew | RichiH: \r\n |
| 13:50.33 | RichiH | stew: ta |
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| 13:51.13 | Trewas | DustyBin: x41 has worked fine for me (with ubuntu tbh), probably the only part not working directly with etch is the wireless ipw2200 because it needs firmware |
| 13:51.14 | shriphani | http://pastebin.org/5188 <--- can someone tell me what went wrong with the burn process and what I can do to avoid that ? |
| 13:52.10 | py_ | stew: very interesting, thanks a lot |
| 13:52.44 | biopyte | hi ,folks. in future i want to use aptitude via commandline instead of apt-get. anyway, i'm so used to "apt-get" that i type anyway once and a while. i set an "alias apt-get=aptitude". is this ok, or is there a better idea? |
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| 13:53.15 | py_ | stew: in fact I'm trying to make the "link"; I mean be able to say "this record from lsusb -v actually is related to device reported as usb 5-2.4 in the logs" |
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| 13:53.57 | grub_ | biopyte, change your habit? |
| 13:54.48 | biopyte | cool idea, thank you .... <rolleyes> .... :) |
| 13:55.15 | utopia | biopyte, rename apt-get as apt-get1 and symlink aptitude to apt-get |
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| 13:55.22 | utopia | thats what id od |
| 13:55.24 | utopia | do |
| 13:55.29 | dimsuz | hi all, hi dpkg |
| 13:56.31 | shriphani | folks no one has any idea what went wrong ? |
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| 13:58.12 | Lindenle | Is there a way to open an ssh tunnel in bash to send mutiple commands to a remote server. |
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| 13:59.13 | cast|lir | Lindenle: sure |
| 13:59.50 | cast|lir | echo cmd |ssh |
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| 14:01.10 | cast|lir | [multiple commands... echo 'ls |
| 14:01.12 | cast|lir | uptime'|ssh |
| 14:02.31 | Lindenle | Cast|lir ok I think that might work |
| 14:02.55 | shriphani | is there a way to install from the iso itself ? |
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| 14:05.56 | cast|lir | ssh host < script.sh, of course it works! |
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| 14:06.36 | grub_ | shriphani, yes |
| 14:08.04 | shriphani | grub_: how ? |
| 14:08.19 | shriphani | I tried to burn but I got an error that I pasted up there. |
| 14:08.34 | grub_ | shriphani, mount it? |
| 14:08.40 | shriphani | and ? |
| 14:08.42 | Ronin | shriphani: what error again please? |
| 14:08.49 | shriphani | http://pastebin.org/5188 |
| 14:08.54 | shriphani | Ronin: that |
| 14:09.12 | shriphani | grub_: after I mount it what do I do ? |
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| 14:11.38 | n30 | Anyone have any idea why I cant su to root as regular user? It works to login as root thou |
| 14:11.41 | grub_ | shriphani, mount it on a spare partition, add it in menu.lst and install |
| 14:12.16 | grub_ | shriphani, i meant, edit your bootloader ( in case you don't use grub) |
| 14:12.29 | shriphani | i use grub grub_ |
| 14:12.54 | grub_ | then modiify menu.lst |
| 14:13.02 | shriphani | wait i am sorry. |
| 14:13.10 | shriphani | I use pcbsd's bootloader. |
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| 14:14.16 | memcpy | hi people |
| 14:15.38 | memcpy | can anybody help me? |
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| 14:16.31 | Ronin | !tell memcpy about ask |
| 14:17.44 | nvz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.48 | memcpy | I need up two monitors on linux |
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| 14:18.09 | memcpy | on debian, run Xorg. |
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| 14:18.51 | nvz_ | first I noticed a google image search for scissors boarders, now I supposedly searced for Govt Deval Patrick whoever the hell that is like an hour ago |
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| 14:19.51 | nvz_ | I got a serious problem here.. I just don't know if its I am searching the internet without knowing it or what |
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| 14:22.05 | memcpy | can anybory help me? I need up two monitors on Xorg. |
| 14:22.24 | nvz | xinerama |
| 14:22.26 | cydork | !xinerama |
| 14:22.26 | dpkg | it has been said that xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 14:23.29 | cydork | nvz: too much alcohol? :) |
| 14:23.41 | memcpy | but xinerama is of XFree, isn't? |
| 14:23.43 | nvz | cydork: I haven't drank any in days |
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| 14:24.01 | cydork | memcpy: no, read again X.org has it. |
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| 14:24.20 | Alver | Hello. I'm trying to setup a Xen 3.1 server with debian, but I can't seem to find any xen kernels for sid. |
| 14:24.34 | Alver | Are they not in the main repository anymore, or am I overlooking something? |
| 14:24.38 | nvz | cydork: I supposedly searched for my town name, the name of the bar behind my house twice this morning around 8pm while I wasn't even on a computer, then I searched about half an hour ago for some gov. that I never heard of |
| 14:24.53 | alex_ | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 14:24.53 | alex_ | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 14:24.53 | alex_ | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 14:25.00 | alex_ | how to i set locale's agian in etch? |
| 14:25.19 | nvz | alex_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:25.37 | memcpy | thanks dpkg |
| 14:25.37 | dpkg | no worries, memcpy |
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| 14:26.00 | alex_ | nvz, doesnt work |
| 14:26.10 | alex_ | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed |
| 14:26.10 | nvz | Idk I am going to eat something and ponder the strangest possibilities from aliens obducting his google account |
| 14:26.11 | alex_ | apt-get ? |
| 14:26.25 | nvz | therein lies the problem? |
| 14:26.30 | nvz | !info locales etch |
| 14:26.37 | dpkg | locales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]), section libs, is standard. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 3874 kB, Installed size: 9387 kB |
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| 14:27.37 | alex_ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 14:27.37 | alex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.37 | alex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.40 | nvz | actually I blame the NAU for all this |
| 14:27.42 | alex_ | im still getting these two errors |
| 14:27.46 | alex_ | whats LC_ALL? |
| 14:27.57 | nvz | for alex_'s errors, for my unexplained search history.. |
| 14:28.07 | nvz | it all makes perfect sense now |
| 14:28.15 | nvz | they're trying to make us crazy :P |
| 14:28.55 | alex_ | what? |
| 14:28.57 | cydork | alex_: did you type dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 14:29.41 | alex_ | cydork, yes.... |
| 14:29.42 | nvz | blame the North American Union, thats what I do... its better than aliens from outerspace or mexico for most cases |
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| 14:29.52 | alex_ | and i configured the en_US LANG |
| 14:30.36 | alex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.36 | alex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.36 | alex_ | Generation complete. |
| 14:30.36 | alex_ | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 14:30.36 | alex_ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 14:30.43 | cydork | alex_: STOP PASTING in here. |
| 14:30.54 | alex_ | ill use #flood next time |
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| 14:31.12 | cydork | !tell alex_ about paste |
| 14:31.16 | nvz | and you don't have to worry about offending anyone cause the mexicans and UFOs are the only thing anyone will confirm, world domination they still deny |
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| 14:32.31 | alex_ | ill use #flood next time dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:32.44 | alex_ | im using dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:32.50 | alex_ | and i set |
| 14:33.18 | alex_ | en_us.iso-8859-1 |
| 14:33.21 | cydork | alex_: how about pasting the whole error in pastebin. |
| 14:33.41 | alex_ | then i choose that as the default one |
| 14:33.47 | alex_ | it then generates them |
| 14:33.47 | aspWork | ok, wols, i got etch running using that kmuto iso, if i now want tu upgrade to lenny, what will i have to do to ensure my nic is supported even there? |
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| 14:34.06 | dalias | why are ppl still insisting on 8859 crap? :( |
| 14:34.12 | aspWork | if anybody else feels to chip in with some advice you are more then welcome |
| 14:34.15 | alex_ | http://pastebin.com/m5e99b889 |
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| 14:35.08 | alex_ | dalias, because its the only option for en_us atm in my system |
| 14:35.14 | dimsuz | shriphani: debian iso you mean? I guess no |
| 14:35.18 | alex_ | cydork, http://pastebin.com/m5e99b889 |
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| 14:35.57 | dimsuz | shriphani: ah. you're question is answered :) |
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| 14:36.54 | dalias | alex_, um no it's not. |
| 14:37.02 | dalias | just add en_US.UTF-8 to the generated locales |
| 14:37.42 | alex_ | dalias, dont have it on my list |
| 14:37.56 | hark | alex_: aptitude install locales |
| 14:37.56 | dalias | you can edit your list |
| 14:37.56 | alex_ | i would like the locales to be us.iso-8859-1 please |
| 14:38.16 | dalias | see /etc/locale.gen |
| 14:38.39 | alex_ | yeap they are in there |
| 14:38.47 | alex_ | en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 14:38.47 | alex_ | en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15 |
| 14:39.09 | dalias | the point is you could just as easily add a utf-8 one there |
| 14:39.12 | dalias | and remove the 8859 junk |
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| 14:39.42 | alex_ | dalias, when i do the dpkg-reconfigure locales .... the utf-8 one isnt there |
| 14:39.56 | alex_ | does that matter? |
| 14:39.56 | dalias | what version of debian? |
| 14:40.17 | alex_ | etch |
| 14:41.22 | alex_ | ... any clues |
| 14:41.23 | alex_ | ? |
| 14:41.28 | biopyte | utopia: ok, thx |
| 14:41.30 | alex_ | hark, inve done that |
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| 14:41.58 | mbuf | how do i get the source code for debian version of Anjuta? |
| 14:42.03 | hark | alex_: dpkg -l locales |
| 14:42.10 | petemc | mbuf: apt-get source |
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| 14:42.48 | mbuf | petemc, thanks |
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| 14:43.33 | spq | where is the code for apt/dpkg to check which version of a apackage is newer? (is it in apt or in dpkg?) |
| 14:43.47 | jelly | hm, how do I download only in aptitude's ui? |
| 14:43.53 | petemc | spq: apt-cache policy |
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| 14:44.40 | spq | petemc, hmm im searching for the code which checks if one version is newer than another one |
| 14:44.58 | petemc | oh right |
| 14:45.00 | alex_ | hark, http://pastebin.com/m18115c96 |
| 14:45.08 | spq | but right - it must be in apt, not dpkg |
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| 14:46.25 | tsp1 | Hi,the create time of "/dev/null" is more 8 hours than system time and BIOS time,why? Thank you. |
| 14:47.15 | tsp1 | And In my system ,in the /proc , the create time of those files is not the same time. |
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| 14:49.11 | code__ | hello, can you tell what sources.list for testing i need in order to m-a auto-install nvidia ? i get always error no matter what sources i try. |
| 14:50.09 | alex_ | can anyone tell me why im getting this after a dpkg-reconfigure locales : http://pastebin.com/m5e99b889 |
| 14:51.21 | Eulex | alex_, you've got a locale set as default that isn't generated on your system= |
| 14:51.22 | Eulex | ? |
| 14:51.48 | irule | "gpasswd -a group user" aasigns the user to the group, but removes from previous group, I want user to belong to many groups, how can I fix it? |
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| 14:52.56 | alex_ | fixed it |
| 14:52.57 | alex_ | localedef -v -c -i en_US -f UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8 |
| 14:52.58 | SlackRat | pastebin your sources, code |
| 14:53.46 | Ronin | code__: pastebin.ca what you have |
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| 14:55.46 | E-bola | Does debian have any special needs about using certificates to allow ssh login? |
| 14:55.54 | E-bola | i simply cant get it to work with the generic instructions |
| 14:55.56 | code__ | SlackRat: http://pastebin.ca/741202 |
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| 14:56.18 | hark | code__: lenny? |
| 14:56.31 | code__ | hark: lenny yes |
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| 14:56.43 | rmaj | hello |
| 14:56.48 | rmaj | does Debian plan to release a Gnome that supports taskbar? |
| 14:57.03 | code__ | probably wrong : http://pastebin.ca/741202, but czech mirror is slow atm |
| 14:57.11 | rmaj | (or a Kopete that works with Gnome taskbar) |
| 14:57.24 | hark | code__: the nvidia drivers are not in testing |
| 14:57.29 | Ronin | rmaj: what taskbar? i thought gnome all ready had one? |
| 14:57.35 | hark | rmaj: what's taskbar? |
| 14:57.36 | SlackRat | what happens when you try and apt-get module-assistant? |
| 14:57.40 | rmaj | Ronin: in debian a broken one |
| 14:57.42 | rmaj | *testing |
| 14:57.56 | rmaj | hark: the place with icons of some applications appear |
| 14:57.56 | Ronin | rmaj: in that case wait a day or so, it is testing after all |
| 14:58.03 | rmaj | Ronin: Im wiating weeks |
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| 14:58.21 | code__ | hark: outch ! |
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| 14:58.56 | hark | rmaj: right click the panel and add a notificatio area, if i understand you correctly |
| 14:59.22 | hark | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 14:59.22 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
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| 15:00.13 | code__ | hark: i see, thx for hint |
| 15:00.14 | SlackRat | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:00.36 | E-bola | ok correction |
| 15:00.38 | code__ | SlackRat: yes i follow that |
| 15:00.45 | SlackRat | gives you the preferred debian way and the nvidia installer method with step by step |
| 15:00.45 | E-bola | i can only get certificate login to work with the root user |
| 15:00.48 | E-bola | not normal users |
| 15:00.50 | E-bola | how can that be? |
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| 15:01.09 | rmaj | hark: I have this notification area, but it is broken: it fails to show some icons, in example icon for Kopete IM |
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| 15:01.26 | SlackRat | apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common |
| 15:01.36 | code__ | SlackRat: and when you get to the step : m-a auto-install nvidia, then you realize nvidia is not in testing :) |
| 15:01.37 | SlackRat | whats the result when you apt-get those? |
| 15:01.49 | SlackRat | ah |
| 15:01.51 | SlackRat | heh |
| 15:01.56 | petemc | rmaj: have you reported a bug? suggested a fix? |
| 15:02.12 | rmaj | petemc: not yet |
| 15:02.20 | hark | code__: you should be able to use/backport it from sid i think |
| 15:02.23 | rmaj | I just wonder why so many things are so broken |
| 15:02.26 | SlackRat | personally i had to use the nvidia installer this time.....with this box |
| 15:02.33 | rmaj | if I report a bug will anyone fix it? |
| 15:02.34 | petemc | rmaj: theres a clue in the name |
| 15:02.47 | code__ | nvidia installer fails and dont say why in my case |
| 15:02.48 | M0useP0t4t0 | Okay, please don't flame me, but how do I get SoundMax working on debian? |
| 15:02.48 | hark | rmaj: works in sid's gnome |
| 15:02.52 | rmaj | petemc: on stable other things are broken in eaample LCD monitors |
| 15:02.59 | code__ | m-a is preffered way |
| 15:03.00 | SlackRat | rmaj , thats the point of a bug database like debian has |
| 15:03.02 | abrotman | what is SoundMax ? |
| 15:03.11 | E-bola | Do anybody have certificate authorisation working with debian? |
| 15:03.15 | petemc | rmaj: im using a lcd monitor with stable |
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| 15:03.51 | rmaj | petemc: how did you set proper mode? |
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| 15:04.13 | petemc | rmaj: i use my own config due to using multiple monitors |
| 15:04.16 | SlackRat | is there debian certification? i thought we were making this up as we went along :-P |
| 15:04.37 | M0useP0t4t0 | I have Asus M2NMX mobo & SoundMax is onboard soundcard |
| 15:05.03 | petemc | rmaj: if i can offer you a bit of advice, you should complain less and read more |
| 15:05.17 | Xteven | hi there |
| 15:05.45 | Xteven | I'm looking for a bug tracking system like bugzilla or mantis, that can export buglists in webcal format (to load into evolution calendar) |
| 15:05.50 | Xteven | any ideas ? |
| 15:06.25 | rmaj | petemc: what if I prefer to use system, not to learn it? somethnig like with ordering food instead cooking |
| 15:06.33 | dimsuz | Xteven: are you sure that latest bugzilla can't do that? |
| 15:06.36 | petemc | rmaj: use stable, then |
| 15:06.45 | dimsuz | Xteven: i don't know for sure, just asking |
| 15:07.33 | petemc | rmaj: or, if thats too old, try ubuntu |
| 15:08.23 | Xteven | dimsuz: I have no idea :) |
| 15:08.31 | Xteven | dimsuz: google is inconclusive |
| 15:08.38 | Xteven | I tried installing bugzilla in etch btw |
| 15:08.41 | Xteven | and it failed horribly |
| 15:08.42 | Ronin | heh im loving that quote rmaj |
| 15:08.48 | Xteven | I think the package is broken (in stable!) |
| 15:09.25 | clif4d | Is there any tool that can detect the encoding of plain text files? I'm trying to convert a filesystem from iso8859-1 to UFT8 (sarge -> etch), but so far I've only found convmv which only does filenames, and not content. |
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| 15:09.40 | Xteven | clif4d: "file" ? |
| 15:09.49 | petemc | !iconv |
| 15:09.50 | dpkg | hmm... iconv is program that converts encoding of given files from one encoding to another. |
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| 15:10.14 | clif4d | I know about iconv and recode, but they can't detect if a file is UTF8 to begin with |
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| 15:10.30 | clif4d | as far as I can tell anyway, but will se if "file" can be used |
| 15:10.38 | dimsuz | Xteven: i've seen something like this in bugzilla 3.0. check it out :) |
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| 15:11.34 | Xteven | dimsuz: cool |
| 15:11.47 | Xteven | dimsuz: any idea when there will be debian packages for bugzilla 3 ? :P |
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| 15:13.35 | dimsuz | Xteven: nope :) |
| 15:14.14 | dimsuz | Xteven: but i'm not sure if i saw exactly what you need. I think you should go to bugzilla'z webpage and check it out |
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| 15:14.38 | Xteven | dimsuz: ok |
| 15:14.48 | cmanns | Anybody know program that makes rar parts? |
| 15:14.53 | abrotman | there might be a #bugzilla on irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 15:14.58 | codeSad | should i switch to unstable only because of nvidia ? |
| 15:15.22 | SlackRat | nope |
| 15:15.30 | Xteven | abrotman: ok, I'll check that out |
| 15:15.31 | Xteven | thx |
| 15:15.45 | ziyax | hi all i'm having little problem with using aptitude upgrade and update |
| 15:16.01 | M0useP0t4t0 | 'apt-get install rar' & then use RAR with switch MD @ cmanns |
| 15:16.06 | codeSad | damn installer does not say why it fails |
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| 15:16.27 | SlackRat | define little |
| 15:16.32 | ziyax | !paste |
| 15:16.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:17.08 | ziyax | http://paste.debian.net/40063 this problem i'm getting |
| 15:17.12 | ziyax | any solution? |
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| 15:17.40 | ziyax | and this is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/40064 |
| 15:17.44 | cmanns | wow |
| 15:17.47 | cmanns | rar is shareware? |
| 15:17.53 | cmanns | Evaluation copy. Please register. |
| 15:17.58 | creature | Hello #debian. I would like a lightweight, xterm-like terminal that supports clicky-links. Any suggestions? |
| 15:18.10 | abrotman | urxvt perhaps |
| 15:18.29 | codeSad | it does not find precompiled kernel, then it is trying to compile image and fails |
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| 15:18.55 | abrotman | ziyax: does any name resolution work ? |
| 15:19.00 | snacky | what is this clicky link thing? |
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| 15:19.20 | abrotman | snacky: to click on URLs |
| 15:19.23 | ziyax | no there is not |
| 15:19.28 | ziyax | lemme check again |
| 15:19.31 | abrotman | ziyax: fix your name resolution first |
| 15:19.46 | ziyax | well it rsolved |
| 15:19.54 | ziyax | PING www.mynet.com (212.101.97.35) |
| 15:20.14 | abrotman | and host security.debian.org ? |
| 15:20.35 | ziyax | well for it no:/ |
| 15:20.40 | creature | abrotman: I'll take another look at urxvt, thanks. |
| 15:20.48 | ziyax | abrotman: i'm using 4.2.2.1 dns server |
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| 15:21.14 | abrotman | ziyax: find out why you can't resolve it |
| 15:22.02 | ziyax | hm ty i'm gonna change dns server so |
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| 15:22.24 | ziyax | do you know any nice server? |
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| 15:22.50 | ziyax | search iisc.ernet.in;nameserver 4.2.2.1 |
| 15:22.54 | ziyax | this is my resolv.conf |
| 15:23.07 | cmanns | M0useP0t4t0, dictonary size is how large the part will be? |
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| 15:24.16 | abrotman | ziyax: your ISP doesn't have one ? |
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| 15:24.18 | M0useP0t4t0 | yeah, but I have never perosnally tried it, so not too sure |
| 15:24.22 | M0useP0t4t0 | *shrugs* |
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| 15:24.54 | cmanns | Trying it now |
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| 15:25.12 | ziyax | abrotman well my provider's dns are sux |
| 15:25.26 | ziyax | when i disable this setting on resolv.conf i cant resolv anywhere |
| 15:25.34 | abrotman | right .. use your ISPs |
| 15:25.53 | M0useP0t4t0 | good DNS option would be OpenDNS |
| 15:25.53 | cmanns | verizon's? |
| 15:25.55 | cmanns | Try opendns |
| 15:25.56 | cmanns | yeah |
| 15:26.02 | cmanns | Nothings better then opendns |
| 15:26.04 | M0useP0t4t0 | I use OpenDNS & I luv it |
| 15:26.08 | ziyax | ok changed to another |
| 15:26.12 | cmanns | They even offer cheap colo :D |
| 15:26.12 | ziyax | and solved |
| 15:26.23 | M0useP0t4t0 | 208.67.222.222 - primary openDNS server |
| 15:26.40 | ziyax | aha ty |
| 15:26.40 | M0useP0t4t0 | 208.68.220.220 - secondary OpenDNS server |
| 15:26.42 | ziyax | ^-^ |
| 15:26.54 | M0useP0t4t0 | welcome! :) |
| 15:27.09 | M0useP0t4t0 | 208.67.220.220 |
| 15:27.14 | M0useP0t4t0 | sorry! my bad |
| 15:27.22 | ziyax | its ok dude:) |
| 15:27.27 | ziyax | i noted them |
| 15:27.54 | M0useP0t4t0 | use this command |
| 15:27.54 | M0useP0t4t0 | rar a -v10m meh fimage.iso |
| 15:27.54 | M0useP0t4t0 | this split the file into 10 Megabytes with the filename meh and the file to be splitted is fimage.iso |
| 15:28.21 | ziyax | yeah its better |
| 15:28.26 | ziyax | ty:) |
| 15:28.38 | M0useP0t4t0 | ;) |
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| 15:29.39 | et | how do i make schroot mount additional directories? |
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| 15:31.00 | M0useP0t4t0 | cmanns > If you like, do check out 'KDar' - http://kdar.sourceforge.net/. It lets your split files and has GUI |
| 15:31.36 | biopyte | hmm ... |
| 15:31.43 | ziyax | cya |
| 15:31.53 | et | found it :/ nevermind |
| 15:31.55 | creature | abrotman: urxvt doesn't seem to do it out of the box, and there's nothing in the FAQ about it. Any other suggestions? |
| 15:31.59 | cmanns | This is on a server, I'd have to use my windows x server runs kinda slow, but thx |
| 15:32.05 | cmanns | I got rar to work its -v |
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| 15:36.43 | hark | creature: urxvt supports clickable urls. man urxvt |
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| 15:36.48 | biopyte | . |
| 15:36.51 | blendtux | guys, i want to thank you all the developers for making debian, and thus kubuntu possible good work guys :) |
| 15:37.06 | creature | hark: I did. It's not exactly well-documented. |
| 15:37.20 | creature | I tried -urlLauncher as a long option, which it claimed was supported, but it just resulted in an error. |
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| 15:37.22 | dalias | clickable urls are not very useful... |
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| 15:37.39 | dalias | double-clicking the url then middle-clicking in the iceweasel window is just as fast |
| 15:38.20 | Atalanta | how do you reboot in debian? |
| 15:38.22 | creature | dalias: They might not be useful to you, but I think I would find them useful. |
| 15:38.25 | Atalanta | shutdown -r doesnt exist |
| 15:38.29 | Atalanta | or reboot or restart |
| 15:38.29 | creature | Yes it does. |
| 15:38.33 | creature | "shutdown -r now" |
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| 15:38.45 | Atalanta | shutdown: command not found |
| 15:38.45 | creature | You may have to be root, or jibble sudo to do it. |
| 15:38.45 | umbar | hi |
| 15:38.55 | hark | Atalanta: as root |
| 15:38.59 | Atalanta | oh |
| 15:39.00 | umbar | creature eats roots |
| 15:39.00 | Atalanta | done thanks |
| 15:39.03 | dalias | i just think most ppl asking for clickable urls don't know how to use middle-click in their browsers :) |
| 15:39.10 | umbar | atalanta bergamo |
| 15:39.14 | winn2 | is there a way to pass a prefix flag to an apt-get install? |
| 15:39.18 | umbar | lentini |
| 15:39.30 | dalias | atalanta, you need root to shutdown the system... |
| 15:39.50 | creature | dalias: I am getting bored of having to copy URL, switch to web desktop, make new tab, paste. |
| 15:39.55 | creature | I'd rather do it all in one click. |
| 15:40.07 | dalias | ah |
| 15:40.13 | dalias | i dont use multiple desktops |
| 15:40.19 | umbar | dalias: why? |
| 15:40.19 | diafic | going home now. BYe |
| 15:40.26 | dalias | umbar, no use for me |
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| 15:41.06 | dalias | if i had enough crap open to use multiple desktops my system would be spending 90% of its time swapping |
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| 15:41.52 | hark | creature: you have to set urlLauncher |
| 15:42.06 | jelly | dalias: I'm in process of solving that issue by buying more RAM :-) |
| 15:42.13 | creature | hark - yeah, well, I don't know how and I'm not sure it's even present in the default binary. |
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| 15:42.37 | abchirk | anyone knows which port MSN needs? |
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| 15:43.51 | dalias | jelly, well i don't have much i'd want to persistently run anyway |
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| 15:44.33 | hark | jelly: for firefox? :) |
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| 15:46.08 | kenjiru | hello |
| 15:46.29 | kenjiru | how do I compile support for HDLC in kernel 2.4? |
| 15:46.31 | hark | abchirk: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457095.aspx |
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| 15:46.37 | M0useP0t4t0 | MSN uses port 1863 @ abchirk |
| 15:48.22 | kenjiru | how do I compile support for HDLC in kernel 2.4? |
| 15:48.35 | jelly-home | hark: no, opera (and some xfce leaking bugs) |
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| 15:49.00 | creature | I'm pretty sure that Opera leaks too. |
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| 15:49.41 | abchirk | mh M0useP0t4t0 I cannot login with that :S |
| 15:49.45 | abchirk | thx hark |
| 15:50.19 | M0useP0t4t0 | GuardDog says MSN uses port 1863 |
| 15:50.23 | M0useP0t4t0 | 0_o |
| 15:50.35 | jelly-home | creature: IME Opera 9.22 - 9.23 (for Debian, dynamic linkage) quite decent leakywise |
| 15:50.49 | M0useP0t4t0 | Opera 9.24 is out |
| 15:50.57 | M0useP0t4t0 | :) I am using it already |
| 15:50.59 | dalias | opera is non-free |
| 15:51.06 | dalias | vrms would be very mad |
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| 15:51.18 | M0useP0t4t0 | FREE as in free beer |
| 15:51.31 | snacky | haha, vrms |
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| 15:51.33 | jelly-home | dalias: that's orthogonal to the leaking issues |
| 15:51.37 | M0useP0t4t0 | and I just couldn't say no to it :P |
| 15:51.44 | dalias | snacky, have you tried vrms? :) |
| 15:51.50 | snacky | yes |
| 15:51.52 | dalias | vrms is now more accurate than the real thing |
| 15:51.54 | jelly-home | M0useP0t4t0: at least you're not running 9.50 alpha :-) |
| 15:52.03 | snacky | I haven't run vrms since 2000 though |
| 15:52.04 | dalias | since it identifies gfdl documentation with invariant sections as non-free :) |
| 15:52.44 | M0useP0t4t0 | I would run alpha on my winDoze machine, not here |
| 15:53.02 | M0useP0t4t0 | I am still learning linux, can't fix anything if broken :( |
| 15:53.36 | creature | I'm really looking forward to 9.50. |
| 15:53.54 | creature | Seriously. The prospect of a much faster javascript engine makes me cream. |
| 15:53.55 | Atalanta | why would apt-get say "build-essential" does not name a package |
| 15:53.59 | dalias | xchat is non-free? |
| 15:54.03 | Atalanta | am i forgetting to do something? |
| 15:54.17 | Atalanta | dalias: xchat is free but the prebuilt windows version isnt since its a pain in the ass to build for windows |
| 15:54.18 | jelly-home | dalias: the official windows build is shareware |
| 15:54.20 | dalias | (i didnt know that... yet another reason it sucks i suppose) |
| 15:54.22 | creature | hark: Anyway, if you want to help me get urxvt going, I'd be most grateful. |
| 15:54.24 | dalias | ah |
| 15:54.30 | stew | Atalanta: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:54.36 | Atalanta | dalias: technically you can build it yourself for windows but its hard i hear |
| 15:54.38 | dalias | someone should build a free windows version |
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| 15:54.45 | Atalanta | brb |
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| 15:54.50 | Atalanta | dalias: i was thinkni the same thing ;) |
| 15:55.03 | Atalanta | dalias: but then it would need to be updated by that guy at every new version |
| 15:55.03 | dalias | btw does xchat include contributed/taken gpl code from other authors? |
| 15:55.08 | jelly-home | dalias: there are a few nice free builds, but I figured it was a nice way to compensate the authors |
| 15:55.12 | dalias | if so, making a shareware version is infringing use |
| 15:55.32 | liable | its made by the xchat authors iirc |
| 15:55.37 | dalias | yeah i know |
| 15:55.48 | hark | creature: ok.. what have you tried so far? |
| 15:56.11 | dalias | but if those authors used gpl code from other sources, they can't license the combined program under non-free terms |
| 15:56.12 | creature | I tried it as-is, then I read the manpage which said I could use urlLauncher as a long parameter. |
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| 15:56.28 | creature | So I tried "uxrvt -urlLauncher opera", but that told me it wasn't a recognised option. |
| 15:56.39 | creature | And so I scanned through the list of actual options, but none of them looked right. |
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| 15:57.30 | dalias | creature, debian has several conflicting urxvt packages |
| 15:57.38 | creature | I'm using rxvt-unicode-ml. |
| 15:57.40 | hark | creature: no, it's not a command option |
| 15:57.40 | dalias | install the full-bloat one perhaps |
| 15:57.48 | dalias | ah |
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| 15:57.55 | dalias | yeah hark is right |
| 15:58.01 | creature | hark - well, it would be nice if the documentation was not full of lies. |
| 15:58.30 | hark | creature: it does say so in the man page :) |
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| 15:58.51 | oz_ | hi everyone. |
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| 15:59.03 | oz_ | still breaking my head on SMB conection. |
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| 15:59.23 | burhan | which is the development version? lenny or etch? |
| 15:59.24 | spq | any apt dev here? im searching for the code which checks if a package version is newer than another version... probably someone can give me a hint |
| 15:59.36 | spq | etch is stable |
| 15:59.42 | creature | "RESOURCES (available also as long-options)" |
| 15:59.50 | hark | creature: URxvt*urlLauncher: sensible-browser (in your ~/.Xresources) |
| 16:00.01 | stew | spq: afaik, it should be using "dpkg --compare-versions" |
| 16:00.15 | oz_ | can some look at this http://pastebin.com/m527adc4f |
| 16:00.28 | burhan | and how do you tell which release you are running? |
| 16:00.30 | creature | hark: Can I give it options? |
| 16:00.42 | creature | URxvt*urlLauncher: opera -backgroundPage |
| 16:00.46 | abrotman | !version |
| 16:00.46 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 16:00.50 | oz_ | I can't get trough CLI to run wine and comand on this file in the SMB share |
| 16:00.51 | hark | creature: yeah |
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| 16:01.13 | hark | oz_: what's the error? |
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| 16:01.39 | hark | creature: then xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources. restart urxvt |
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| 16:03.44 | creature | Done, and I don't get clickylinks. |
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| 16:04.15 | _Lister | !sid |
| 16:04.15 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq> |
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| 16:05.31 | abrotman | secher! |
| 16:05.31 | sikkle | does anyone here have a good rescent book about debian and webhosting setup ? |
| 16:06.06 | hark | creature: add URxvt*perl-ext-common: default,matcher as well |
| 16:06.41 | _Lister | Heyas man. |
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| 16:07.23 | creature | hark: They are now underlined, but are not clicky. |
| 16:07.47 | _Lister | abrotman: LOL, not really, I just finished watching a crapload of Red Dwarf. |
| 16:08.06 | hark | creature: ok, and URxvt*matcher.button: 1 |
| 16:08.14 | abrotman | uhm okay |
| 16:08.38 | jelly | hark: hm, didn't rxvt & friends read .Xdefaults by themselves? |
| 16:09.11 | creature | hark: Done, but no change. |
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| 16:09.55 | hark | creature: try specifying the full path to opera |
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| 16:10.42 | hark | jelly: you don't have to xrdb -merge on changes now? |
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| 16:12.16 | jelly | hark: afair rxvt read the file by itself since always (well, since I've started using it, say '97) |
| 16:12.24 | creature | hark - I have to xrdb -merge to make it read changes. |
| 16:12.46 | jelly | hark: although it might be that it only reads .Xdefaults and not .Xresources |
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| 16:14.09 | hark | xterm reads ~/.Xresources by default here, but i have to use xrdb when i change a setting after logging in X |
| 16:15.10 | creature | hark: Tried that, no luck. Tried using sensible-browser too. No luck either. |
| 16:16.33 | hark | http://google.com |
| 16:16.37 | jelly | creature: does your urxvt --help show anything perl related? Are you using rxvt-unicode or rxvt-unicode-lite? |
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| 16:17.20 | creature | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.51 | creature | jelly: options: perl,xft,styles,combining,blink,iso14755,unicode3 |
| 16:17.53 | jelly | creature: ah, haven't tried that build, but rxvt-unicode-lite doesn't have perl extensions support built in. |
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| 16:19.56 | jelly | creature: with rxvt-unicode, I at least an URL underlined (but I still can't left-click it) |
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| 16:20.10 | jelly | ?missing verb error |
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| 16:21.11 | creature | jelly: I have links underlined too. |
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| 16:22.42 | oz_ | hark, sorry for not answering. Here is the error: http://pastebin.com/m527adc4f |
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| 16:22.59 | oz_ | hark, can you tell me what wrong ? |
| 16:23.32 | Vasistha | Hey all. I'm having an issue with my box locking up. It occurs pretty consistently when printing, through CUPS, to a wireless printer. I'm wondering if perhaps it's a driver issue with my wireless pcmcia card, of if there's something else that's known |
| 16:24.24 | hark | oz_: yeah, moment.. i can't click urls now (trying out some urxvt options) :) |
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| 16:26.06 | oz_ | hark, no hurry... |
| 16:26.24 | creature | hark: "[17:20] <ferret> It's doing this: opera\ -backgroundpage url" (from #rxvt-unicode) |
| 16:26.35 | creature | But that doesn't explain why replacing opera with sensible-browser doesn't work. |
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| 16:27.22 | sping | hello, what's the mime type of Debian's "control" file? |
| 16:27.49 | creature | OK, I've managed to get sensible-browser going. |
| 16:27.51 | sping | text/plain? |
| 16:28.33 | creature | So that moves us to a new question: how do I configure sensible-browser? |
| 16:28.35 | hark | creature: got it working now.. use /usr/bin/sensible-browser |
| 16:28.52 | richd | ok, time for a semi random question. I have 2 APs in my house that are using the same essid. Unfortuneatly, only 1 has internet, while the other is a LAN. I know that you can connect to a network by the bssid of the AP, but is there a way for me to tell other computers to connect to a certain ap? if so, would it have to be done by a computer connected to the network? or would it be something from the AP? I hope that isn't too confusing... |
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| 16:31.24 | liable | richd: iwconfig <iface> ap <macofap> |
| 16:31.29 | hark | oz_: should be //server/share |
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| 16:31.37 | Fomiiiik | Hello |
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| 16:31.51 | hark | creature: did you put the whole path? |
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| 16:32.08 | Vasistha | creature: -backgroundpage is an opera-specific flag |
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| 16:32.45 | creature | Vasistha: Yes, which is ignored when placed in my .Xresources because it can't deal with having options. |
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| 16:32.55 | drwahl | i rebooted my computer, and i got a few lines complaining about BadCRC. what might cause this, and what will it effect? |
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| 16:32.58 | hark | creature: using gnome? |
| 16:33.01 | creature | So, I want to configure sensible-browser to call opera with the parameter. |
| 16:33.04 | creature | hark: No, Fluxbox. |
| 16:33.14 | drwahl | the actual output is: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 16:33.18 | drwahl | hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 16:33.20 | Vasistha | hrm. that's so easy in kde :P |
| 16:33.20 | drwahl | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 16:33.20 | creature | hark: I didn't put the full path, but it seems to work anyway. |
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| 16:33.27 | hark | creature: use update-alternatives and set x-www-browser |
| 16:33.34 | creature | drwahl: That's symptomatic of hard drive failure, or impending failure. |
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| 16:33.43 | creature | drwahl: If you haven't got backups, now's a great time to start. |
| 16:33.51 | creature | (Actually, last week was a great time to start). |
| 16:33.55 | drwahl | creature: ah, good thing i asked then :) |
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| 16:34.03 | hark | creature: or set $BROWSER |
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| 16:34.11 | richd | liable: I don't want to have to go to each client comp. is there a way to do it from one comp, or the ap? |
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| 16:34.38 | Camelek | Hi all :] |
| 16:34.45 | edistar | is there a way that I can recover pics on a CF card that somehow don't get recognized anymore by the camera? it tells me corrupted data.. |
| 16:34.45 | liable | richd: explain again in a less confusing way exactly what you are trying to achieve |
| 16:35.01 | dalias | edistar, 1 sec |
| 16:35.19 | edistar | dalias: ok |
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| 16:35.42 | dalias | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 16:35.54 | richd | liable: I would like to be able to tell all the comps in my essid to connect to a certain ap in that essid. I would like to do that from one course, rather than manually with each comp every time... |
| 16:35.57 | edistar | thx |
| 16:36.09 | creature | hark: Can I do it with update-alternatives? It looks like update-alternatives just manages symlinks, and so setting commandline options isn't going to help... |
| 16:36.16 | grub_ | libconfhelper-perl is in which package? |
| 16:36.42 | liable | richd: no, you cannot do that, unless you turn off the other ap i guess |
| 16:36.50 | richd | ok |
| 16:36.58 | richd | liable: thanks for your help |
| 16:37.23 | oz_ | hark, the name of the server is 'server' but i get the same error. check http://pastebin.com/m58461693 |
| 16:37.36 | liable | richd: so you are trying to get the whole lot of client on a essid to switch from one ap to the other? |
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| 16:38.29 | alex_ | anyone here use pure-ftpd? |
| 16:38.51 | alex_ | having some issues when on a windows box and when connecting to the pure-ftpd server via internet explorer the username and password box is not appearing |
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| 16:39.02 | alex_ | but i can auth with ftp://user:pass@address etc |
| 16:39.14 | oz_ | hark, even when I try ls path to server it gives error. |
| 16:39.15 | richd | liable: not very many, but enough that i dopnt want ot walk around house and tell them to change... |
| 16:39.21 | alex_ | for some reason the windows ftp login box isnt coming up, any ideas why? |
| 16:39.25 | hark | oz_: does "smb://server" work in nautilus? |
| 16:39.53 | oz_ | hark, yes... this is why it so frustrating :-( |
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| 16:40.01 | liable | richd: tell me a little more about your setup, i dont quite grasp what you are doing |
| 16:40.18 | hark | oz_: and what does it list there? |
| 16:40.42 | oz_ | wait, I'll show you a screen shot |
| 16:40.56 | hark | oz_: try one of those shares (//server/share) |
| 16:41.26 | oz_ | hark, you mean type //server/share/path to... |
| 16:41.35 | hark | oz_: wait |
| 16:41.48 | richd | liable: I tinker with networking, penetration, and anything else i can think of, and I sometimes want the comps in house to connect to a specific ap |
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| 16:42.11 | cale7 | hallo, kann wer deutsch? |
| 16:42.21 | richd | liable: so I dont want to have to go to each comp and tell them to change to each ap as needed |
| 16:42.24 | liable | nope, engrish |
| 16:42.26 | hark | oz_: yes, just //server/thatshare |
| 16:42.27 | cale7 | okay |
| 16:42.35 | cale7 | i've a important question |
| 16:42.44 | cale7 | i want to install debian 4.0 but i see 16 cds |
| 16:42.53 | cale7 | how much cds i need to install it at client |
| 16:42.59 | cale7 | i dont need server |
| 16:43.05 | cale7 | only for client, with kde |
| 16:43.21 | hark | cale7: 1 or the net installer |
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| 16:43.30 | oz_ | hark, here is a link to that nautilus share http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotqp6.png |
| 16:43.37 | cale7 | the net installier doesnt works by me |
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| 16:44.16 | hark | cale7: doesn't detect your network card? |
| 16:44.24 | richd | cale7: as far as i know, you will need the first cd for gnome. and either the first 2 or 3 (not sure which) for KDE |
| 16:44.28 | cale7 | i cant define username and passwort to connect to my isp, so i cant download the packets |
| 16:44.47 | cale7 | also i need 3 from 16 cds to install? |
| 16:44.49 | liable | etch has seperate cd's for kde |
| 16:44.55 | liable | no just one |
| 16:45.01 | cale7 | hm sry im a newbie in linux |
| 16:45.07 | liable | why did the netinstall fail? |
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| 16:45.09 | cale7 | but windows sucks, so i want to test linux |
| 16:45.10 | hark | cale7: there's a cd1 for kDE as well. get that |
| 16:45.24 | hark | !d-i |
| 16:45.24 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 16:45.25 | craigevil | actually the kde and xfce installs are just 1cd, you have to look down the page for them |
| 16:45.29 | cale7 | hark, i need only the first cd for the complete os ?? |
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| 16:45.53 | Eulex | sheeesh. home, sweet home. was visiting #ubuntu for a while. I don't think I've seen a bigger concentration of newbies anywhere before. |
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| 16:45.56 | richd | cale7: they are based on popularity. cd1 is most important. cd 16 is nearly worthless |
| 16:46.00 | liable | cale7: it will install a basic system, the rest if you need you get from the internet |
| 16:46.02 | Bogus8 | anyone keeping up with OpenMoko? |
| 16:46.06 | hark | cale7: yes, but depends on your definition of complete :) |
| 16:46.10 | richd | Eulex: so was i. it was hard to converse at all! |
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| 16:46.26 | cale7 | by my isp i must log in with username and password, dial up u know, not an instant connecton, but debian dont ask me thereafter, so i cant download the packets from the netinstall |
| 16:46.37 | liable | ah |
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| 16:46.45 | liable | cale7: get the cd1 for kde then |
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| 16:46.53 | cale7 | sorry my english is not good |
| 16:47.00 | Vasistha | cale7: you're doing fine :) |
| 16:47.03 | richd | cale7: I agree with liable. get cd1 for kde |
| 16:47.11 | ozzilee | Hey all, brand-new debian installation, changed my mind on the hostname, apt-get removed ssh, removed the /etc/ssh dir, and reinstalled ssh. Didn't recreate the /etc/ssh dir. How can I do that? dpkg-reconfigure also didn't work. |
| 16:47.16 | cale7 | okay i download the first cd and boot with there ? |
| 16:47.18 | richd | cale7: maybe cd 2 if you have the time to download it too |
| 16:47.29 | cale7 | time is not the prob |
| 16:47.33 | liable | !tell ozzilee about confmiss |
| 16:47.37 | hark | oz_: mount -t cifs //server/acct /home/oz/baz -o username=bar,password=foo |
| 16:47.40 | cale7 | i download it from: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/ ok ? |
| 16:47.41 | AnyFile | I have tried to install a new package using aptitude. After giving the command "aptitude install gcc" I was told to insert the cdrom of the debian. How can I disable this request? |
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| 16:48.05 | Vasistha | cale7: regardless of whether you've got kde installed, you're still going to have to get your dialup internet connection going |
| 16:48.06 | hark | AnyFile: remove the entry for the cd in your sources.list |
| 16:48.24 | Vasistha | AnyFile: or just comment it out |
| 16:48.37 | AnyFile | thanks |
| 16:48.52 | cale7 | what |
| 16:49.00 | cale7 | i currently download from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 16:49.00 | hark | oz_: if it goves an error, replace server with the ip and try once more |
| 16:49.02 | richd | AnyFile: that's assuming that you have it setup for getting it from some other source |
| 16:49.11 | cale7 | i download now the debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 16:49.14 | cale7 | with bit torrent |
| 16:49.22 | oz_ | hark, it the right direction. now no error. but stalles... |
| 16:49.27 | hark | cale7: not that one |
| 16:49.27 | AnyFile | yes, sure, richd |
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| 16:49.44 | richd | cale7: wrong one |
| 16:49.47 | richd | farther down |
| 16:49.53 | cale7 | what yet |
| 16:49.54 | Vasistha | cale7: I think you want the one that says kde |
| 16:49.57 | hark | cale7: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 16:50.04 | richd | debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 16:50.13 | richd | is the one you want cale7 |
| 16:50.33 | cale7 | are u sure ? |
| 16:50.35 | cale7 | only this link ? |
| 16:50.44 | Vasistha | cale7: you said you want kde, right? So download the kde one. |
| 16:51.21 | cale7 | yes kde but i need the os |
| 16:51.32 | liable | heh |
| 16:51.33 | Vasistha | cale7: that cd will have KDE, and all the tools you'll need to get connected to the internet, including the os and everything. |
| 16:51.33 | cale7 | okay ahm |
| 16:51.41 | cale7 | ahh ok |
| 16:51.45 | cale7 | now i understand |
| 16:51.50 | cale7 | thank u all very much |
| 16:51.51 | grub_ | !libconfhelper |
| 16:51.58 | richd | cale7: the normal cd1 would have the same thing except gnome rather than KDE |
| 16:52.04 | cale7 | and greets from austria (not australia) |
| 16:52.11 | liable | cale7: the basic os comes on a 1/4 of a cd :) |
| 16:52.12 | richd | cale7: lol |
| 16:52.23 | Vasistha | liable: is it even that big? |
| 16:52.32 | richd | cale7: you can even get a live command line version for abou 80 MB |
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| 16:52.46 | liable | Vasistha: around 250MB installed iirc |
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| 16:53.03 | CcSsNET | Octain Stats: |
| 16:53.04 | CcSsNET | OS: Linux 2.6.23.1-octain.ccssnet.org/i686 - Distro: Debian lenny/sid - CPU: 8 x Pentium III (Katmai) (550.045 MHz) - Processes: 101 - Uptime: 2d 11h 24m - Users: 1 - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 76.75MB/3547.54MB (2.16%) - Disk Usage: 1.49GB/68.51GB (2.18%) |
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| 16:53.21 | hark | oz_: hmm, does it return to the prompt? |
| 16:53.51 | liable | CcSsNET: if thats your bot, i wouldn't be doing that here unless you have the approval of channel ops for it in the channel |
| 16:53.53 | oz_ | hark, it worked ! you're a king! I'm just on the phone |
| 16:53.59 | CcSsNET | bot? |
| 16:54.07 | CcSsNET | what the hell is wrong with you |
| 16:54.09 | ozzilee | liable: Sorry, new to debian. How I can I get ahold of the package to install with dpkg? apt-get -d install ssh doesn't seem to download to my current dir. Where does it go? |
| 16:54.17 | CcSsNET | thats a system stats read out |
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| 16:54.24 | Bogus8 | anyone keeping up with the OpenMoko phone project? |
| 16:54.28 | fyrestrtr | CcSsNET: yes, and we don't need to see it. |
| 16:54.30 | stew | CcSsNET: why are you putting a system stats readout into the channel? |
| 16:54.36 | CcSsNET | y not |
| 16:54.44 | fyrestrtr | because its spam. |
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| 16:54.51 | CcSsNET | how was i suposed to know there was anal dwelling trolls here |
| 16:54.54 | liable | ozzilee: the factoid tell you how to reinstall it |
| 16:55.39 | ozzilee | liable: Sorry, I didn't even notice that it came up. It's there. |
| 16:55.43 | liable | CcSsNET: we're not anal dwelling trolls, we just don't need to see that shit unless it was asked for to help in some way |
| 16:55.54 | CcSsNET | all 3 of you are |
| 16:55.56 | CcSsNET | lmao |
| 16:56.01 | CcSsNET | get a life |
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| 16:56.28 | stew | CcSsNET: you've been silenced for 10 mintues, in the future please keep it on topic and constructive |
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| 16:57.29 | Duke_Nuke | i'm trying to install compiz-fusion on my debian lenny with kde. i've followed the istructions here http://nixser.com/2007/06/04/debian-compiz-on-kde-installation-how-to/ but if i run compiz --replace i get the window manager wipe out (no close button for every window ecc..). why? |
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| 16:58.00 | Atalanta | is the linux kernel anything interesting? |
| 16:58.22 | liable | depends on your definition of interesting ;) |
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| 16:58.51 | richd | Atalanta: do you mean, the source being interesting? the ability of it interesting? or something else? |
| 16:58.53 | moope1 | you know in winblows land |
| 16:58.59 | fyrestrtr | Duke_Nuke: I think that's a compiz bug; as I have faced that on fedora as well. |
| 16:59.00 | Atalanta | all of it |
| 16:59.05 | moope1 | you have to spend money to properly delete something? |
| 16:59.14 | moope1 | what about ext3 filesystems |
| 16:59.15 | moope1 | ? |
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| 16:59.20 | richd | Atalanta: I find it to be interesting |
| 16:59.25 | Duke_Nuke | fyrestrtr, it's a big bug, i can't even make it works. it's very strange |
| 16:59.25 | moope1 | !delete |
| 16:59.26 | dpkg | i heard delete is the opposite of insert |
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| 16:59.39 | fyrestrtr | dpkg: botsnack |
| 16:59.39 | dpkg | fyrestrtr: aw, gee |
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| 16:59.51 | Atalanta | richd: why |
| 16:59.53 | fyrestrtr | Duke_Nuke: its fixable. |
| 17:00.04 | liable | moope1: in linux, you remove the HD, open it, smash it with a hammer, then burn the platter. doesn't cost a cent.. (except for a new drive) |
| 17:00.05 | fyrestrtr | Duke_Nuke: there is #compiz I think. |
| 17:00.23 | richd | Atalanta: its powerful, opensource, and otherwise, amazing |
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| 17:00.40 | Duke_Nuke | fyrestrtr, do you know how to fix it ? (on #compiz i don't get response) |
| 17:00.49 | moope1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.08 | Atalanta | richd: well lets say i install debian with no desktop, just the core and the shell bash... is linux kernel the main thing thats being used (besides bash) at this point? |
| 17:01.09 | fyrestrtr | Duke_Nuke: not on debian, I use debian headless. |
| 17:01.21 | liable | moope1: theres shred, but there is supposedly no real way of secure deletion other than destruction. |
| 17:01.50 | liable | moope1: i am sure google will give you a few ideas |
| 17:02.02 | fyrestrtr | moope1: you could dd from /dev/random |
| 17:02.08 | fyrestrtr | moope1: that's always fun. |
| 17:02.18 | liable | and time consuming |
| 17:02.20 | moope1 | :/ |
| 17:02.42 | richd | Atalanta: the bash is how you interact with the kernel, but as far as i know, yes, the kernel is the main thing |
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| 17:03.23 | moope1 | fyrestrtr ta |
| 17:03.23 | Atalanta | okay so like when people run KDE or GNOME then the kernel is still there but its not the majority of what they see, and even when only running a bash terminal, you still only see bash, but anythning you do interfaces with the kernel right? |
| 17:03.56 | richd | Atalanta: to my understaning, yes |
| 17:04.35 | Atalanta | so if i wanted to look into kernel development, i should probably install debian at its bare minimum, install the linux source, and mess around that way, eh? |
| 17:04.36 | fyrestrtr | Atalanta: the kernel is what controls all the hardware and does most of the 'work'; it is the core of the operating system. You interact with the kernel via shells (like bash) which come with a bunch of commands (like ls) |
| 17:04.39 | alex_ | how do i use lsof to see whats running on port 21? |
| 17:04.42 | liable | think of it like, the kernel runs the hardware, your shell/gui runs your apps that use the hardware |
| 17:04.52 | liable | alex_: use netstat |
| 17:05.11 | Atalanta | fyrestrtr: yeah i think i understand... the kernel is like the gateway between the software and the hardware, right? |
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| 17:05.23 | alex_ | i want to see which process is using port 21 thanks |
| 17:05.27 | fyrestrtr | Atalanta: the kernel is the OS :) |
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| 17:05.40 | Atalanta | i particularly like how you can mess around in linux and reconfig the kernel without rebooting =D |
| 17:05.42 | stew | alex_: netstat -plnt | grep :21 |
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| 17:05.51 | Atalanta | some kind of dynamic reloading of elements, i suppose, goes on this way, huh? |
| 17:06.04 | fiddleswrk | hey guys how do i load and unload drivers? specifically for my wlan card |
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| 17:06.20 | richd | fiddleswrk: modprobe |
| 17:06.26 | stew | fiddleswrk: "modprobe modulename" to load "modprobe -r modulename" to unload |
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| 17:07.00 | P4C0 | is it possible to apt-get java 1.6? etch 4.0? |
| 17:07.07 | fiddleswrk | where would i get the modual name |
| 17:07.08 | fiddleswrk | ? |
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| 17:07.24 | P4C0 | I think it comes with 1.5 right? |
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| 17:07.53 | SlackRat | the java site would be my guess |
| 17:07.56 | testergg | Hi, I'm getting courierpop3login: info@adamin.com: chdir(/var/mail/virtual/adamin.com/info) failed!! - running etch any ideas? |
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| 17:08.02 | alex_ | i have pureftpd being called whenever i access port 21, even if its disable and daemon isnt running, i think something is calling it when i connect on port 12, i do i disbale this |
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| 17:08.07 | alex_ | ? |
| 17:08.11 | fyrestrtr | is lsb_release not part of the standard layout? |
| 17:08.13 | alex_ | 21* |
| 17:09.07 | hark | fyrestrtr: no afaik |
| 17:09.08 | fyrestrtr | do you know what package has it? |
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| 17:09.31 | Eulex | fyrestrtr, lsb-base? |
| 17:09.32 | stew | alex_: try update-inetd --disable ftp |
| 17:09.48 | hark | fyrestrtr: lsb-release /msg dpkg search |
| 17:09.49 | stew | alex_: (its probably being run via inetd: /etc/inetd.conf) |
| 17:10.13 | fyrestrtr | hrmm, why apt-cache search lsb_release didn't work. |
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| 17:10.21 | alex_ | stew, thanks |
| 17:10.30 | hark | fyrestrtr: apt-file or pdo |
| 17:10.37 | fiddleswrk | cool |
| 17:10.39 | fiddleswrk | its lsmod |
| 17:10.40 | drwahl | i may be buying a new smartphone shortly. i would love to put debian on it. any one had any success with this? |
| 17:10.42 | Eulex | fyrestrtr, because _ != - |
| 17:10.54 | richd | drwahl: not that i know of, but it would be cool |
| 17:10.56 | fyrestrtr | I didn't think it was that sensitive. |
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| 17:11.04 | fiddleswrk | um so i have one more question: say i dl a driver for my wlan card, how would i load that specific driver? |
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| 17:11.13 | fyrestrtr | drwahl: that nokia 8800 (or whatever) is a good candidate. |
| 17:11.20 | hark | fiddleswrk: what wlan card? |
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| 17:11.31 | drwahl | fyrestrtr: i will take a look, thanks |
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| 17:11.56 | liable | fyrestrtr: they usually have a website with instructions or install files in the source |
| 17:11.58 | hark | is that a phone? |
| 17:11.58 | Eulex | fyrestrtr, it's not case sensitive, but it considers lsb_release to be one token. thus it searches for "lsb_release" and doesn't find anything. and btw, apt-cache search doesn't search through packages for files. |
| 17:12.08 | fiddleswrk | hark: its an airport card on an ibook g3 |
| 17:12.21 | liable | that would be an atheros |
| 17:12.23 | fiddleswrk | i am not sure what it is... hermes 1 i believe |
| 17:12.26 | liable | go to madwifi.org |
| 17:12.29 | fiddleswrk | atheros? |
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| 17:12.47 | liable | oh, maybe a g3 may be different |
| 17:12.57 | liable | they are pretty old now eh? |
| 17:12.59 | fiddleswrk | the nick it has is "Hermes I" |
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| 17:13.11 | stew | that's orinoci? |
| 17:13.14 | fiddleswrk | i suspect it to be a wavelan, since it used orinoco |
| 17:13.15 | stew | err orinoco? |
| 17:13.16 | fiddleswrk | yeah |
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| 17:13.31 | fiddleswrk | i want to install the patched orinoco drivers |
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| 17:13.43 | liable | arent they in kernel? |
| 17:13.51 | stew | orinoco is |
| 17:13.55 | fiddleswrk | not the ones that support monitor mode |
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| 17:15.02 | fiddleswrk | they have a .diff patch |
| 17:15.11 | fiddleswrk | but i cant get that to work |
| 17:15.25 | liable | you need to patch the kernel source with that |
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| 17:15.36 | liable | or get a tarball and patch that |
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| 17:16.37 | liable | surely they have a tarball that doesnt need to be patched that you can just compile? |
| 17:16.42 | fiddleswrk | yeas |
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| 17:16.48 | fiddleswrk | that is what i have |
| 17:16.50 | sine | hello |
| 17:17.10 | liable | fyrestrtr: so compile it.. ;) |
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| 17:17.45 | fyrestrtr | liable: say what? |
| 17:17.58 | liable | fyrestrtr: nicktab borkage |
| 17:18.12 | liable | fiddleswrk: see previous to fyrestrtr |
| 17:18.17 | fyrestrtr | ah |
| 17:18.28 | fiddleswrk | ahh |
| 17:18.37 | fiddleswrk | haha yeas i tried |
| 17:19.12 | fiddleswrk | unfortunatly i get an error, /lib/modules/2.6.18.-5-powapc/build no such file or directory |
| 17:19.13 | liable | fiddleswrk: then putting the errors on a pastebin site would be a good start |
| 17:19.25 | liable | fiddleswrk: you need to install kernel-headers |
| 17:19.25 | fiddleswrk | well its just one |
| 17:19.33 | fiddleswrk | ahhh |
| 17:19.42 | liable | fiddleswrk: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:19.52 | hark | powapc |
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| 17:20.26 | liable | kapowapc |
| 17:21.03 | fiddleswrk | :) |
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| 17:21.53 | sine | what is APATI |
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| 17:22.00 | sine | ATAPI i mean |
| 17:22.06 | tenemag | hi room |
| 17:22.11 | fyrestrtr | an interface |
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| 17:22.33 | hark | !atapi |
| 17:22.34 | dpkg | atapi is, like, a standard for sending SCSI-like commands over the IDE cables. Many people say IDE but mean ATAPI, since IDE is only the name for controller and old harddisk protocol. Linux has two drivers which implements parts of the ATAPI standard: ide-cd and ide-floppy. The better way to use the ATAPI devices is the "natural" way: load ide-scsi driver and you can work with ATAPI devices like with SCSI devices. |
| 17:22.35 | tenemag | how can I get back into windows XP if WinXP is located on hda1 and /boot is "hda2"? |
| 17:22.44 | tenemag | i dont know what to put into grub.conf |
| 17:23.08 | liable | tenemag: there's an example in your menu.lst |
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| 17:23.15 | _Progress_ | hi all |
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| 17:23.24 | liable | (hd0,0) |
| 17:23.28 | fiddleswrk | so it couldnt find the kernel headers package |
| 17:23.30 | fyrestrtr | is there something that dpkg doesn't know. |
| 17:23.39 | _Progress_ | My debian from last update boot very very slow |
| 17:23.42 | liable | fyrestrtr: what kernel version? |
| 17:23.48 | liable | bah |
| 17:23.57 | liable | fiddleswrk: what kernel version? |
| 17:24.00 | \amethyst | dpkg, atapi =~ s/a standard/a standard (AT Attachment Packet Interface)/ |
| 17:24.00 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 17:24.03 | fyrestrtr | fiddleswrk: message for you fiddleswrk |
| 17:24.15 | liable | sorry |
| 17:24.22 | sine | ok i have this old computer p2 333 and when it starts it says secondary master incompatible - ATAPI interface |
| 17:24.33 | liable | !beer burhan |
| 17:24.58 | liable | saves me doing it again :) |
| 17:25.03 | burhan | :) |
| 17:25.07 | fiddleswrk | um |
| 17:25.15 | _Progress_ | It stay to "Waitin for /dev to be fully populated" for 3-4 minutes |
| 17:25.15 | fiddleswrk | 2.6.18-5-powerpc |
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| 17:25.22 | burhan | hrmm, I thought I had linked this nick. |
| 17:25.40 | _Progress_ | debian sid 2.6.23.1 but with 2.6.18 kernel is the same |
| 17:25.44 | liable | fiddleswrk: are you still running etch or have upgraded? |
| 17:25.50 | fiddleswrk | etch |
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| 17:26.15 | liable | fiddleswrk: hrm, is there a newer kernel version out from security? |
| 17:26.26 | fiddleswrk | dunno |
| 17:26.30 | fiddleswrk | i think so |
| 17:26.30 | claudio` | Does MPlayer (without gmplayer) is in the repositories? |
| 17:26.31 | liable | fiddleswrk: see if there is |
| 17:26.41 | liable | fiddleswrk: install it, and then the headers |
| 17:27.08 | burhan | claudio`: yes. |
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| 17:27.12 | burhan | !info mplayer |
| 17:27.16 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-16.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4505 kB, Installed size: 10224 kB |
| 17:27.41 | claudio` | burhan: no, that package install gmplayer too |
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| 17:28.09 | burhan | claudio`: oh I see what you mean. |
| 17:28.26 | claudio` | i have to compile it, i guess |
| 17:28.30 | burhan | claudio`: you could compile it. |
| 17:28.38 | claudio` | burhan: yes, in fact |
| 17:28.40 | claudio` | THX |
| 17:28.45 | burhan | is debian the most 'derived from' distro? |
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| 17:28.57 | OBcecado | hi |
| 17:29.02 | claudio` | burhan: ?:) |
| 17:29.24 | claudio` | Debian sucks, only apt is great |
| 17:29.26 | claudio` | -.- |
| 17:29.30 | SpeedyG | ... |
| 17:29.37 | liable | claudio`: there is a mplayer-nogui package iirc |
| 17:29.49 | fiddleswrk | where would i check for the latest etch kernel? |
| 17:29.51 | hark | marillat has mplayer-nogui |
| 17:29.52 | \amethyst | jelly: booting a real machine or virtual? |
| 17:29.56 | claudio` | liable: no, there isn't. I'm on etch. |
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| 17:30.08 | liable | claudio`: debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:30.21 | jelly | \amethyst: a virtual one, currently. but we have real machines bootable off iso images too. |
| 17:30.27 | burhan | can someone recommend a console editor that supports utf8? |
| 17:30.29 | claudio` | liable: no official package here, but THX anyway. |
| 17:30.33 | \amethyst | jelly: Using LinuxBIOS or something? |
| 17:30.43 | \amethyst | jelly: or is EFI that good? |
| 17:30.47 | OBcecado | i managed to install debian on this laptop, but after the boot, it tells me xorg was unable to detect any screen, how can i fix this ? thanks in advance |
| 17:30.54 | liable | claudio`: its packaged by the same debian-dev that does the official one.. |
| 17:30.54 | jelly | \amethyst: HP servers' own remote management solution |
| 17:31.08 | \amethyst | jelly: ah, nice |
| 17:31.35 | jelly | \amethyst: indeed. never have to see the hardware, unless it dies |
| 17:31.35 | burhan | jelly: I assume that would take a very fast connection for it to work? |
| 17:31.38 | AnyFile | What is the smallest/light/easy MTA to use on a system that should only deliver local mail? |
| 17:32.19 | burhan | AnyFile: just install exim, it has a wizard that will set it up. |
| 17:32.25 | claudio` | liable: i'll read about. THX |
| 17:32.26 | jelly | burhan: dunno, I'm booting off a reasonably fast mirror (~ 700 kBps, that's like a 4-6 speed CDROM) |
| 17:32.38 | AnyFile | thanks |
| 17:32.41 | \amethyst | jelly: does that run on the CPU, or the BMC? |
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| 17:32.47 | burhan | jelly: I'm curious how you got that to work? How do you boot using fuse? |
| 17:32.51 | fiddleswrk | so i belive my kernel was uptodate |
| 17:33.04 | fiddleswrk | but the package name was linux-headers-powerpc |
| 17:33.18 | jelly | burhan: nah, I'm just using curlftpfs to mount an ftp server. |
| 17:33.46 | jelly | burhan: technically I'm booting from a local file. Only it's not really local |
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| 17:34.03 | fiddleswrk | now my drivers are compiling, thx guys <3 |
| 17:34.03 | burhan | oh ... its a virtual machine. |
| 17:34.16 | creature | I recently did a dist-upgrade on my laptop, and now I don't have 'smooth' colours on my X server. Although it's reported as 24-bit colour gradients in menus and on images have definite banding. Any help? |
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| 17:34.39 | jelly | burhan: yes. But like i said, decent server machines can be booted from a local iso too. |
| 17:34.57 | burhan | yes, I remember doing something similar with IBM servers |
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| 17:35.34 | burhan | they have some great management magic ... even in their 'consumer' machines. |
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| 17:37.42 | \amethyst | jelly: So this is Lights-Out 100i select or advanced? |
| 17:37.59 | \amethyst | jelly: or iLO? |
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| 17:38.32 | burhan | wow, I guess mozilla wanted everyone to know its really 1.1.4SeaMonkey 1.1.4/0000000000 |
| 17:38.57 | Vasistha | creature: it could be that you need to turn font anti-aliasing back on. |
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| 17:39.05 | \amethyst | jelly: looking at their page now... I've been away from high-end servers for a long time (since I started uni, really) |
| 17:39.24 | jelly | \amethyst: iLO, or iLO2. both with advanced licences |
| 17:39.29 | Vasistha | creature: although actually that shouldn't effect gradients :P |
| 17:39.36 | creature | Vasistha: ... for my background gradients and images? |
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| 17:40.26 | jelly | \amethyst: HP is kinda crappy in that it has hidden fees for that feature (need to cash extra for the feature), Sun's AMD machines have it by default. |
| 17:40.26 | memcpy | tem algum brasileiro aqui? |
| 17:40.38 | Braindead | !br |
| 17:40.38 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:41.00 | memcpy | ok dpkg |
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| 17:41.32 | Vasistha | Is there a "complete" list anywhere of the different valid entries for "distro" in /etc/apt/sources.list ? e.g. I have a list that includes stable/updates testing/security-updates sarge-backports etc. ... I'd like to find a list of valid entries |
| 17:41.48 | abrotman | Vasistha: it can be anything |
| 17:41.55 | abrotman | AIUI anyways |
| 17:42.02 | Braindead | and yeah, that sources.list is pretty broken |
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| 17:42.13 | Vasistha | abrotman: ahh, it depends on the server, huh? |
| 17:42.21 | abrotman | Braindead: you don't know anything about his system .. it might function very well |
| 17:42.26 | abrotman | Vasistha: i believe so |
| 17:42.41 | Vasistha | I've written a syntax highlighting xml, and someone asked me if I would maintain it so that it might be put into an official repo |
| 17:42.58 | Braindead | abrotman: basing on the question he's asking he's in no position to keep a coherent mixed system |
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| 17:43.19 | jelly | Vasistha: basically whatever is available in dists/ directory on your mirror. [a-z0-9-]+ ;-) |
| 17:43.21 | abrotman | Braindead: are you sure about that? IIRC he's been around longer than you .. and more helpful :) |
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| 17:43.32 | Vasistha | It's nice to have it do a special highlight for "valid" entries, but apparently there's no really good definition for "valid" |
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| 17:44.02 | Vasistha | Braindead: you'll notice that I'm not actually asking about my own sources.list, but rather a generic question about syntax highlighting ;) no offense taken! |
| 17:44.10 | Braindead | abrotman: " e.g. I have a list that includes " misleaded me |
| 17:44.15 | Braindead | sorry |
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| 17:46.06 | Eulex | Braindead, I have oldstable, stable, testing, testing-updates, unstable and experimental sources in my sources.list. my system ain't broken. I know how to handle it. |
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| 17:46.22 | Braindead | Eulex: read again. |
| 17:46.29 | Vasistha | Well, if this guy is serious about distributing my silly syntax highlighter with kate, I guess I'll just be upfront with him: it'll turn certain entries bold, and other entries it won't, because it's not well-defined :D |
| 17:46.31 | nvz | hah.. that wasn't too smart.. I just put my foot through the wall |
| 17:46.50 | Vasistha | nvz: hehe, and someone else put his foot in his mouth :D |
| 17:46.50 | OBcecado | how can i fix this 'no screens found' @ xorg.conf ? |
| 17:46.56 | abrotman | Vasistha: you could use some http/ftp check ? |
| 17:47.04 | nvz | idk, something kept making a kinda squeakin noise sounded like it was comming from behind the wall.. so I put my foot in it |
| 17:47.04 | OBcecado | just finished a etch install |
| 17:47.07 | abrotman | OBcecado: there's another error farther up .. find that first |
| 17:47.12 | Eulex | Braindead, oh right, stable and testing-updates isn't really a good combo |
| 17:47.22 | Vasistha | abrotman: hehe, that's an interesting idea, but I don't think my xml file is going to be able to run a script to check validity! |
| 17:47.25 | Eulex | Braindead, ... if he runs stable |
| 17:47.43 | abrotman | Vasistha: no .. but kate might be able to |
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| 17:48.34 | OBcecado | on xorg.log i get an error message, saying there is no fonts/misc |
| 17:48.36 | nvz | I used to use kate, now my fav text mode editor has a graphical frontend |
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| 17:48.57 | abrotman | OBcecado: aptitude install xorg .. try again |
| 17:49.03 | |DuReX| | hello, i replaced mobo in my server, and now it can't get an ip adress :( syslog shows me: kernel: eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:8221 bound to 0000:00:14.0 so i think it should work, but ifup gives, dhclient: Bind socket to interface: No such device |
| 17:49.07 | |DuReX| | any id's ? |
| 17:49.34 | h3sp4wn | |DuReX|: checked /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:49.37 | stew | |DuReX|: perhaps udev has since remapped eth0 to some other interface |
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| 17:49.57 | h3sp4wn | (missed the ? sorry) |
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| 17:50.14 | OBcecado | abrotman: is there any problem if i use cdrom as source ? |
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| 17:50.33 | |DuReX| | # PCI device 0x11ab:0x4320 (skge) |
| 17:50.33 | |DuReX| | SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:18:f3:e4:93:47", NAME="eth0" |
| 17:50.44 | abrotman | OBcecado: not that i'm aware of |
| 17:50.58 | h3sp4wn | |DuReX|: skge is not forcedeth |
| 17:51.15 | OBcecado | same error |
| 17:51.21 | |DuReX| | so what i need to do ? :s |
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| 17:51.38 | creature | If I've installed sun-java5-jdk, where does it live? |
| 17:51.44 | h3sp4wn | |DuReX|: You could just change the macaddress |
| 17:51.48 | stew | |DuReX|: is that the only line in there? or is there also one for eth1? |
| 17:52.03 | |DuReX| | # PCI device 0x10de:0x0269 (forcedeth) |
| 17:52.03 | |DuReX| | SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:1b:fc:cf:f1:6a", NAME="eth1" |
| 17:52.16 | stew | |DuReX|: right, so your ethnetcard is eth1 not eth0 |
| 17:52.35 | burhan | creature: /etc/alternatives iirc |
| 17:52.49 | |DuReX| | but @ boot i don't see anything on eth1 |
| 17:52.52 | stew | creature: dpkg -L sun-java5-jdk |
| 17:52.56 | |DuReX| | only that 1 line about eth0 ... |
| 17:53.08 | jelly | is there a way to kill a fuse filesystem and the processes hung on using it? |
| 17:53.13 | OBcecado | in /usr/X11/fonts i only have encodings/ |
| 17:53.33 | OBcecado | should i have the remaining dirs ? |
| 17:53.36 | stew | |DuReX|: yes, this file is teling udev to remap your forcedeth to eth1, so sometime after that kernel message appeared about it being eth0, udev renamed the device to eth1 |
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| 17:54.40 | creature | stew, burhan: got it, thanks. |
| 17:54.59 | |DuReX| | stew: so ifup eth1 should work ? :) |
| 17:55.04 | jelly | nvz: um, mplayer to figure out the crop geometry and mencoder to recode? |
| 17:55.10 | nvz | hmm ok.. I want to crop the images at 720x440 from y:62 |
| 17:55.16 | stew | |DuReX|: if you have eth1 configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:55.28 | nvz | jelly: yeah well I already ripped it down to images as I am taking frames out and stuff too |
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| 17:55.48 | nvz | jelly: now I just want to take the wasted black space off the top and bottom |
| 17:56.04 | jelly | it's not really wasted since it encodes really well ;-) |
| 17:56.37 | nvz | jelly: blah not for what I am doing that extra space is a pita |
| 17:56.54 | nvz | the video is only 440px high not 574px |
| 17:57.51 | OBcecado | is there a way to retrieve xfonts ? it seems i don't have them on my system |
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| 17:58.00 | jelly | nvz: yeah, I'm just pulling your frames |
| 17:58.23 | abrotman | OBcecado: aptitude install xfonts-base |
| 17:58.55 | nvz | jelly: careful.. you might get more action than you bargain for |
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| 17:59.26 | nvz | blah having a hell of a time finding the geometry ref for imagemagick |
| 17:59.48 | nvz | I've got a mogrify command programmed in to my image editor but its not for this kind of crop |
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| 18:00.20 | OBcecado | i get some warnings, /usr/lib/ |
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| 18:00.30 | OBcecado | sorry |
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| 18:00.50 | amphi | nvz: it's the standard X style widthhxheight+x_offset+y_offset |
| 18:01.04 | OBcecado | i get some warnings, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist, when installing fonts through aptitude |
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| 18:01.29 | Eulex | OBcecado, those are harmless |
| 18:01.34 | amphi | nvz: I've been using convert -crop quite a bit recently ;) |
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| 18:03.04 | nvz | amphi: yeah I am looking at -crop in the mogrify manual |
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| 18:03.29 | amphi | nvz: it's the same as X's -geometry syntax |
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| 18:04.26 | nvz | I have a command for like 266x600! but thats for -resize, -crop requires more arguments |
| 18:04.30 | Algaeman | I have a package that is "stuck" in apt. It thinks it needs to configure it, but the app is up and running fine. How do I tell dpkg that the configure portion is done, and the app is installed successfully? |
| 18:05.02 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:05.18 | liable | nvz: avidemux for video, or you just cropping frames? |
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| 18:05.24 | Algaeman | no, that tries to configure it again |
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| 18:05.56 | \amethyst | Algaeman: does the configuration script error out? What package and version is it? |
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| 18:06.08 | OBcecado | it seems nv driver does not support my graphics card. |
| 18:06.13 | nvz | liable: I'm completly reformatting a movie.. rearranging frames, taking some out, taking the cropping off |
| 18:06.15 | abrotman | which graphics card? |
| 18:06.16 | Algaeman | the configure errors out b/c the service is running (BackupPC) |
| 18:06.23 | OBcecado | nvidia 8600 |
| 18:06.29 | nvz | mogrify -crop 720x440+0+64 %f, is what I am looking for right now :P |
| 18:06.33 | OBcecado | mobile card |
| 18:07.02 | amphi | nvz: -crop 266x600+0+0 if you want no offset from top left, should work |
| 18:07.26 | \amethyst | Algaeman: you could add exit 0 to the top of the postinst script then do the dpkg --configure -a, if you're sure there's nothing in there that you have to do |
| 18:07.54 | \amethyst | Algaeman: the postinst is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/backuppc.postinst |
| 18:08.19 | Algaeman | you read my mind :) |
| 18:08.50 | Eulex | OBcecado, right, it doesn't |
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| 18:08.57 | nvz | amphi: its 720x440+0+64, the 266x600 was for something different a long time ago when I needed things 1/3rd my resolution |
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| 18:10.57 | OBcecado | is nvidia-glx the driver i should get installed ? |
| 18:11.03 | Algaeman | thanks, amethyst. that did the trick. mostly cosmetic issue, but annoying.... |
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| 18:11.47 | OBcecado | thanks for the help, i'll try that later |
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| 18:13.15 | _Progress_ | My debian from last update boot very very slow |
| 18:13.19 | _Progress_ | It stay to "Waitin for /dev to be fully populated" for 3-4 minutes |
| 18:13.23 | _Progress_ | any ideas? |
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| 18:13.47 | liable | have you checked bts for udev? |
| 18:13.57 | _Progress_ | ? |
| 18:13.59 | Eulex | _Progress_, does it succeed and continue after 3-4 minutes? |
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| 18:14.05 | |DuReX| | thx guys, its back up & fucking :D héhé |
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| 18:14.28 | _Progress_ | Eulex, yes ut succeed and continue |
| 18:14.33 | _Progress_ | it* |
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| 18:14.48 | Eulex | !btssmite _Progress_ |
| 18:14.49 | _Progress_ | I reconfigure udev |
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| 18:15.38 | sam55 | Does anyone have any experience with MathML in Iceape or Iceweasel in Debian Testing? |
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| 18:16.08 | _Progress_ | Eulex, but I don't know who is the broken package to bygreport him :( |
| 18:16.22 | _Progress_ | I suppose udev but not so sure |
| 18:16.33 | Eulex | udev handles /dev |
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| 18:16.53 | _Progress_ | I know that |
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| 18:18.32 | stew | _Progress_: try rebuilding your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" |
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| 18:19.30 | _Progress_ | ok stew |
| 18:19.34 | _Progress_ | I'll try |
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| 18:21.32 | Drgb | hello, whenever I try to run some apps (gnome-panel, gnome-calculator) I get an error saying that "libgnomebreakpad.so" could not be found. libgnomebreakpad.so shows in bug-buddy, and I have the latest version of bug-buddy installed. what can I do? |
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| 18:21.47 | sine | ok i have a p2 333 with 22 meg of ram is a debian install possible |
| 18:22.20 | sine | i just want minimal console mode over lan so i can setup ftp/bnc/smb |
| 18:22.38 | stew | sine: a normal install requires 32 megs. you could run it with only 22 after you install, but unless you jump through some hoops, the installer won't run with only 22 |
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| 18:22.54 | sine | damn |
| 18:23.02 | sine | this is a project for me there must be a way ! |
| 18:23.19 | stew | sine: if you could pull the drive, stick it into another machine, run the install from there, then return it to the 22 mb machine, it should work |
| 18:23.22 | Eulex | sine, etch doesn't require 48mb? |
| 18:23.38 | stew | the installer requires 32 or so |
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| 18:23.51 | sine | i could put it in another computer no problem thats how i took there old docs of it |
| 18:24.00 | sine | and i did think that but wasnt too sure how to go about it |
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| 18:24.22 | Eulex | sine, linux autodetects most hardware on boot |
| 18:24.30 | jorgegm | what! |
| 18:24.35 | sine | so i could mount it and run the install cd and install it to the drive |
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| 18:24.54 | Eulex | sine, there may be minor things you'll have to change, though |
| 18:25.04 | jorgegm | how? |
| 18:25.04 | sine | all these live cds are crashing through booting |
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| 18:25.21 | wols | sine: yes, but to make the bootloader work properly it should be the same drive place like in the old PC, ie IDE master on first channel |
| 18:25.36 | Eulex | sine, mount it? well, you could perhaps run the installer in an emulator and then copy the disk image to the drive. |
| 18:25.36 | sine | how the fuck did they run windows 98 on this p2 333 with 22 megs of ram |
| 18:25.40 | _Redondos_ | hi |
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| 18:25.53 | sine | wow this sounds exciting |
| 18:26.06 | ompaul | sine, very very very carefully ;-) |
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| 18:26.17 | sine | ? |
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| 18:26.22 | sine | hehe |
| 18:26.23 | sine | oh yea |
| 18:26.26 | Eulex | sine, I've taken an image of my server and booted it in qemu once. the reverse should be possible. |
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| 18:26.47 | sine | the drive that come with it was only 8 gig |
| 18:26.56 | Eulex | 8 gig is plenty |
| 18:26.56 | blj | one of my services is not starting up on reboot, what do i do? though it works when i run it from /etc/init.d/mongrel_cluster start |
| 18:27.08 | sine | i was thinking about scrapping it anyway who knows how long its gonna last and how fat16 treated it |
| 18:27.11 | sine | not for a file server |
| 18:27.19 | Eulex | true |
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| 18:29.00 | sine | knoppix failed me pclinuxos failed me here goes ubuntu |
| 18:29.13 | sine | hehe |
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| 18:29.16 | sine | failed! |
| 18:29.22 | sine | ACPI unable to locate RSDP |
| 18:29.45 | sine | im thinking that this computer is going to be more hastle than its worth to me |
| 18:29.55 | Eulex | sine, you might consider trying sarge on that one. |
| 18:29.58 | sine | but thats not the attitude is it |
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| 18:30.12 | Eulex | sine, a 2.4 kernel might even be well for it |
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| 18:30.25 | sine | lets see if it will boot vista |
| 18:30.38 | Eulex | sine, in any case, for the acpi problems, try booting with noacpi |
| 18:30.40 | Eulex | sine, ^^ |
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| 18:30.44 | Eulex | sine, epic phail |
| 18:30.54 | sine | jeh jokes m8 |
| 18:31.34 | sine | now for the etch netinstall cd |
| 18:31.38 | sine | see how far it gets |
| 18:32.06 | Eulex | sine, it will fail when it gets out of ram while installing. |
| 18:32.07 | sine | oh cool |
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| 18:32.18 | amphi | nvz: uhuh |
| 18:32.23 | sine | it got farther than the others |
| 18:32.45 | stew | sine: if you really want to use the etch install cd, you'll have to manually activate somw swap early in the boot process. and using swap will cause the machine to crawl |
| 18:32.57 | sine | this system has relativly little free mem so it will enter low mem mode. mong other things this means this program will proceed in english cool |
| 18:33.15 | sine | what you mean like days |
| 18:33.19 | stew | yes |
| 18:33.39 | sine | i think my other option is the vmware install |
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| 18:33.51 | stew | sine: you can't pull the hard drive and install from another machine? |
| 18:33.51 | sine | or |
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| 18:34.03 | sine | are you telling me or asking |
| 18:34.39 | sine | i mean the harddrive isnt even in this machine its just the board ram chip and prim ide > cdrom |
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| 18:34.54 | sine | i had a job getting it to get the cdrom to work so i had to strip it down |
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| 18:35.16 | Eulex | sine, you haven't got a hdd to install onto? |
| 18:35.28 | dondelelcaro | Cytrax: of course; otherwise the ram is sitting there doing nothing. You actually have 860M free. |
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| 18:36.19 | sine | ive got a 8 gig that it come with that i will format and fuck about with when im ready but for now im just seeing whats detected and stuff |
| 18:36.33 | sohmestra | does evolution no longer support inclusion of arbitrary text files in signatures? |
| 18:36.35 | sine | im just messing about and eventually i wouldnt mind using it |
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| 18:36.49 | sohmestra | I'd like to set up a random sig... |
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| 18:36.56 | jelly | how can I do a du of only the files in current directory, without doing something like find . -type f -maxdepth 1 | xargs du -c ? |
| 18:36.56 | sine | i mean i have a wifi network and was thinking about having it on the wifi network |
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| 18:37.48 | Eulex | jelly, -S, perhaps? |
| 18:37.49 | sohmestra | I thought that it used to even allow one to use the output of a script as the signature |
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| 18:38.11 | Eulex | jelly, oh, and du has --max-depth too |
| 18:38.25 | stew | jelly: "du -s *"? |
| 18:38.33 | jelly | Eulex: yes, but du --max-depth=0 doesn't do what I want |
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| 18:39.18 | jelly | stew: ah. du -c *(.) ... using zsh's syntax to glob only the files |
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| 18:39.50 | sine | how is linux with usb wifi adapters |
| 18:40.25 | sine | thats going to be my only option i think unless i buy a wificard but i dont want to start spending money really |
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| 18:41.02 | Eulex | sine, you can't connect it wiredly? |
| 18:41.08 | zinx | sine: depends largely on which one you get. support for wifi is poor in general though, due to lack of specifications |
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| 18:41.25 | oz_ | hello |
| 18:41.29 | zinx | sine: it's best to find a supported device, then buy that specificly, usually |
| 18:41.40 | abrotman | zinx: it's gotten way way better |
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| 18:41.59 | zinx | abrotman: for new popular cards maybe |
| 18:42.03 | oz_ | hark, can you explain me the trick with SMB you did earlier ? |
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| 18:42.10 | sine | there is nothing on the back or on the board its really old apart from usb slots 2 wow |
| 18:42.13 | zinx | abrotman: but still no support for the older ones (which most USB adapters are) |
| 18:42.34 | dryrot | hi i'm running debian etch testing, i blew away /etc/apt/sources.list , where do i get a new one ? |
| 18:42.58 | Eulex | sine, ... note that you cannot even assume that those are usb 1.1, and afaik usb 1.1 devices are not guaranteed to work with usb 1.0. |
| 18:43.02 | sine | i have a usb ethernet adapter but there is no phoneline upstairs else i would have hte modem/WAP/usblan/box/foo |
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| 18:43.50 | sine | hmmm |
| 18:43.55 | Eulex | sine, what cpu is in the box? |
| 18:44.07 | sine | it would be cheaper to buy a cheap barebones |
| 18:44.08 | oz_ | hark, i did what you told me earlier and it works. only on a different machine with different name I can't duplicate it |
| 18:44.10 | sine | p2 333 |
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| 18:44.24 | sine | its only because this is quiet and it would be ideal as a server ftp |
| 18:44.30 | Eulex | sine, should be usb 1.1 then. 22 mb ram sounded much older than that. |
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| 18:44.48 | sine | i used to have an xbox running gentoox and that was great on my network |
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| 18:45.29 | liable | meh, when does this damn fglrx with aiglx driver appear |
| 18:45.32 | sine | and the point of that was |
| 18:45.39 | Ronin | sine: disruption |
| 18:45.42 | liable | nothing really |
| 18:45.56 | Mavez | heh |
| 18:45.57 | lyakh | is there an oficial solution to the problem of one server binding ports of another one and thus rendering it non-functional? |
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| 18:46.08 | sine | some people get kicks out of the weirdest things |
| 18:46.10 | dondelelcaro | lyakh: stop whatever server is doing that |
| 18:46.18 | lyakh | just had nfsd occupying imapd port |
| 18:46.25 | abrotman | sine: you could look at the powerline stuff |
| 18:46.25 | lyakh | but I want both of them |
| 18:46.28 | esaym | anyone have any tips on installing kde4 from experimental on unstable? I have unstable running in vmware but I cant get the kde4 kdebase to install. Aptitude just refuses it seems |
| 18:46.31 | oz_ | hark, i did what you told me earlier and it works. only on a different machine with different name I can't duplicate it |
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| 18:46.38 | sine | what is the powerline |
| 18:46.41 | abrotman | sine: they also have the ethernet/wifi bridge things |
| 18:46.54 | abrotman | sine: little devices they sell that let you use your home electric as a network |
| 18:46.57 | sine | is that where you have a network through your powerline |
| 18:47.03 | lyakh | dondelelcaro: normally this doesn't happen, nfs-server gets an arbitrary another one |
| 18:47.05 | sine | how the fuck does that work yea ive seen them |
| 18:47.08 | lyakh | but occasionally... |
| 18:47.20 | tt | Need a fast tip! Im looking for a light-weight image viewer, any suggestions? |
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| 18:47.34 | dryrot | tt: qiv |
| 18:47.50 | tt | dryrot: I'll take a look. |
| 18:47.56 | \amethyst | lyakh: Maybe starting imapd before portmap would work, but that's not always possible |
| 18:48.00 | Braindead | tt: also consider feh |
| 18:48.18 | tt | Braindead: Been there, done that. Doesnt work that good with ratpoison. |
| 18:48.31 | lyakh | \amethyst: exactly. and that's the default debian (etch) sequence |
| 18:48.35 | tt | giv workes fine! |
| 18:48.48 | lyakh | and before I had dnsmasq conflicting with nfs-server |
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| 18:48.58 | sine | oh well thanks chaps enough for tonight me thinks ill mull over it tomorrow catch you later :D |
| 18:49.06 | abrotman | http://netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapters/XE102G.aspx |
| 18:49.10 | abrotman | i think that's it anyways |
| 18:49.15 | sine | thanks Eulex and abrotman and others |
| 18:49.27 | abrotman | you sohuld actually read the description(and check the price) |
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| 18:50.44 | dmn | hi |
| 18:50.55 | dmn | how do i install additional locales ? |
| 18:51.03 | dondelelcaro | dmn: dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
| 18:51.08 | hark | oz_: yeah, what's the error with the other machine? |
| 18:51.23 | dmn | dondelelcaro will check, thanks |
| 18:51.38 | oz_ | hark, it tells me there is no such device or adress... |
| 18:51.49 | oz_ | hark, let me put it in the paste |
| 18:51.58 | hark | oz_: try with the ip instead of server |
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| 18:54.31 | oz_ | hark, http://pastebin.com/m7ca6b01d I'm trying as hard as I can to understand SMB. I had many problems with printers also... |
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| 18:55.41 | hark | oz_: oh, smbclient -L ecotekinc |
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| 18:57.17 | oz_ | hark, I'm promted for password. but for which user ? I'm totaly lost. earlier I didn't do it |
| 18:57.22 | hark | hit enter |
| 18:58.07 | oz_ | hark, ok. you want to see which stations are in the network ? |
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| 18:58.20 | dkr | whatever user you are logged into windows as is default user sent for remote shares I think |
| 18:58.52 | oz_ | hark, like earlier - I can connect to the server via nautilus, but not trough CLI |
| 18:58.53 | dkr | or mayeb you dno't samba in user mode |
| 18:59.26 | hark | oz_: ClientSetup shows up? |
| 18:59.29 | liable | any ideas why i am suddenlt getting an eth0 alias showing up that has an ip set? |
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| 19:00.02 | oz_ | yep.. I can browse it. |
| 19:00.22 | Solet | is there an older version of the debian network administrators manual that's more complete than the current version? |
| 19:00.25 | liable | udev doesn't 'appear' to be the cause from what i can see |
| 19:00.34 | liable | and its certainly not in interfaces |
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| 19:01.14 | hark | oz_: pastebin the output or like before the screenshot of smb://ecotekinc |
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| 19:02.15 | oz_ | hark, http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotclientsetuponvh4.png |
| 19:03.01 | tingle | hi, i just did my first install of debian since im getting sick of ubuntu i did a install whit gnome and i love how easy it was but not its installed it it also installed alost of apps that i will never use.. how can i do a minimal install and still get the complete gnome that it got now? |
| 19:03.36 | Eulex | !install gnome |
| 19:03.36 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 19:04.11 | tingle | thanks |
| 19:04.21 | Eulex | tingle, apt-cache show a package to see its dependencies (and thus what it will install) |
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| 19:04.55 | Eulex | tingle, you're free to just uninstall what you don't need on that already installed system, though. |
| 19:05.21 | loXx | hi, i have install the msttcorefonts package, but no application can use them (etch/stable). can someone help? |
| 19:05.48 | oz_ | hark, anyidea ? |
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| 19:06.05 | hark | oz_: the smbclient one as well :) |
| 19:06.06 | Solet | is there a good article anywhere on setting up and configuring ipmasq? |
| 19:06.28 | oz_ | hark, what do you mean ? |
| 19:06.40 | linio | loXx: dpkg-reconfigure msttcorefonts |
| 19:06.48 | xand | !ipmasq |
| 19:06.48 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 19:06.50 | Solet | ipmasq is working fine for me but it constantly prints crap to the screen and makes it difficult to work on other things on that machine |
| 19:07.04 | xand | Solet: disable logging |
| 19:07.08 | hark | oz_: pastebin the output of smbclient -L 192.168.1.29 |
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| 19:09.26 | oz_ | hark, http://pastebin.com/m462693b4 |
| 19:09.37 | Solet | xand: can i assume that the man page will tell me how? or if not, the manual that the bot linked will? |
| 19:10.06 | xand | dunno, google might :) |
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| 19:11.31 | loXx | linio: it does nothing |
| 19:12.03 | Atalanta | if you do a base-system install only, what part of it is "debian" exactly? linux kernel isnt, all i can figure is that apt-get is the only "debian" thing in it |
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| 19:12.53 | Eulex | Atalanta, debian is the collection of packages built for debian and provided as debian. that is, your full system if you do a base system install. |
| 19:12.57 | Braindead | Atalanta: the kernel is patched, for instance. and lots of applications too |
| 19:13.30 | linio | loXx: fonts are installed? |
| 19:13.34 | loXx | yes |
| 19:13.56 | Atalanta | oh i see. well then how/where can i install these base tools without any distro's patches applied? for instance, a pure linux kernel and bash shell etc |
| 19:14.04 | loXx | files are there, x11-fonts path is right, too |
| 19:14.10 | Ronin | Atalanta: linux from scratch perhaps |
| 19:14.23 | Atalanta | i see. |
| 19:14.33 | Eulex | Atalanta, or slackware. and you don't want to run it. |
| 19:14.39 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:14.39 | Atalanta | why? |
| 19:14.44 | Braindead | slackware makes baby jesus cry |
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| 19:14.57 | Atalanta | why |
| 19:15.11 | claudio` | Can i convert a string into an array with bash? |
| 19:15.17 | Braindead | Atalanta: what would jesus install? |
| 19:15.46 | Ronin | Braindead: nothing, omniptant beings dont need computers |
| 19:15.55 | Ronin | ohh that cant be spelled correctly |
| 19:16.05 | Braindead | omnipotent I suppose |
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| 19:16.12 | hark | oz_: hmm, try smbclient -L ecotekinc -U administrator |
| 19:16.24 | Atalanta | id bet he would install gentoo since it would allow him easier access to the source of water so he could compile it into wine himself |
| 19:16.31 | Atalanta | natively too |
| 19:16.40 | Braindead | "it" what? |
| 19:16.44 | Atalanta | water |
| 19:16.48 | Eulex | ... and wait 10 years before serving it? |
| 19:16.51 | liable | hrm, i cant blame dhclient either.. this is rather perplexing |
| 19:16.57 | loXx | has nobody else problems installing msttcorefonts? |
| 19:17.09 | Eulex | ;) |
| 19:17.18 | Atalanta | no, dont you know? jesus's PC doesnt require electrons to manipulate the circuitboard. he just asks dad to compute things |
| 19:17.24 | hark | oz_: and give the administrator password this time |
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| 19:18.13 | Eulex | Atalanta, now go back to being on-topic. |
| 19:18.13 | Atalanta | speaking of which, is assembly-programming common for OS devs? |
| 19:18.23 | Eulex | Atalanta, no. |
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| 19:18.31 | Atalanta | just C/python then? |
| 19:18.31 | linio | loXx: maybe try purge and reinstall? reconfigure defoma? |
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| 19:19.00 | Eulex | I wouldn't say that python is very common. depends upon your definition of an OS, though. |
| 19:19.04 | loXx | ok i try defoma, purge and reinstall didnt work |
| 19:19.16 | gpm | loXx: what problems are you having specifically? |
| 19:19.17 | oz_ | hark, I did it - the result: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 19:19.35 | hark | oz_: ok, the screenshot of smb://ecotekinc |
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| 19:19.58 | linio | loXx: font path in xserver conf? |
| 19:20.05 | loXx | gpm: i have installed msttcorefonts-package. but no app can use them. i wonder y |
| 19:20.07 | oz_ | hark, screenshot http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotclientsetuponvh4.png |
| 19:20.13 | liable | debugging samba logins is such a pain in the arse, the same error code for everything |
| 19:20.22 | gpm | loXx: not even xfontsel? |
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| 19:20.35 | Eulex | linio, irrelevant, it has a hard-coded fall-back that is correct. |
| 19:20.38 | loXx | gpm: no even this |
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| 19:21.06 | Eulex | loXx, tried restarting X? |
| 19:21.27 | loXx | sure! |
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| 19:22.14 | loXx | linio: reconfigure defoma didnt help |
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| 19:22.54 | oz_ | hark, if you tell me what we are looking for maybe I can help... |
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| 19:23.02 | hark | oz_: how about the previous screen, this shows the clientsetup page. hit ctrl+l in nautilus and type the smb line |
| 19:23.07 | MauL^ | isnt it possible to install mozilla-firefox without iceweaasel? |
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| 19:23.43 | hark | MauL^: yes, but it's not in debian |
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| 19:23.59 | stew | MauL^: you can get it from firefox.com |
| 19:24.01 | loXx | linio: x-org path is: /var/lib/defoma/.../TrueType |
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| 19:24.14 | linio | loXx: look at xserver log, ~/.xsession-errors |
| 19:25.12 | loXx | linio: nothing related to my problem |
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| 19:25.25 | Darkclaw55 | if I want to look for just one file in a dump file, what is the command for that? |
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| 19:25.51 | gpm | loXx: what version of debian? |
| 19:26.09 | loXx | gpm: 4.0r1 |
| 19:26.09 | oz_ | hark, here is a picture with path http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1gw0.png |
| 19:26.24 | MauL^ | hark, do you know why it is so? |
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| 19:27.05 | gpm | loXx: i dunno, it sounds like your font paths are messed up. i would start with a new xorg.conf...backup your current one and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:27.21 | loXx | gpm: i have already tried |
| 19:27.35 | gpm | loXx: xlsfonts|grep -i arial? |
| 19:27.37 | stew | MauL^: debian woulnd't want to distribute it since mozilla has asked debian not to provide security fixes for it |
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| 19:27.59 | Eulex | gpm, that should have no effect for the reason I have already said. the x server has hard-coded fall-backs if the paths in the x config are incorrect. |
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| 19:28.15 | MauL^ | there are hot debates up there |
| 19:28.36 | dondelelcaro | MauL^: there's no real difference between the two, besides the name and the lack of firefox icons in iceweasel |
| 19:28.45 | stew | MauL^: however you should find that iceweasel is functionally equivalant except that it has different artwork and some bugfixes |
| 19:28.47 | gpm | well i guess he's SOL |
| 19:28.54 | loXx | gpm: that works correctly |
| 19:29.00 | gpm | loXx: what do you see? |
| 19:29.04 | gpm | when you type that? |
| 19:29.29 | MauL^ | dondelelcaro, I am having some problems with iceweasel for integrating with eclipse, because iceweasel is said to use some different libraries |
| 19:29.32 | loXx | gpm: -monotype-arial..... |
| 19:29.41 | dondelelcaro | MauL^: well, it doesn't. |
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| 19:29.45 | loXx | gpm: a lot of lines like that |
| 19:30.00 | dondelelcaro | MauL^: and if you want eclipse, just aptitude install eclipse. |
| 19:30.08 | Eulex | MauL^, it's made to use pango, which is a non-default (but supported) configuration on linux. |
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| 19:30.28 | loXx | gpm: i have irssi in console and can't copy&paste :\ |
| 19:30.31 | MauL^ | Iceweasel is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, similar to |
| 19:30.32 | MauL^ | Galeon, K-Meleon and Camino, but written using the XUL user interface |
| 19:30.32 | MauL^ | language and designed to be lightweight and cross-platform. |
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| 19:30.43 | loXx | gpm: to restart x11 a lot ;) |
| 19:30.48 | Eulex | MauL^, and? |
| 19:30.55 | colera | if i have smbclient installed can't i use mount to mount a windows share as a normal (non-root) user in my home dir? |
| 19:31.05 | MauL^ | dondelelcaro, actually I use APTANA, an eclipse based IDE |
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| 19:31.39 | Eulex | MauL^, well, the real question is: why does your IDE require a web browser? :) |
| 19:31.43 | hark | oz_: seems ok, mount -t cifs //ekotecinc/ClientSetup /home/oz/baz -o username=bar,password=foo |
| 19:31.54 | dondelelcaro | MauL^: I'll give you a hint; before it used to say Firefox is a redesign... |
| 19:31.59 | burhan | MauL^: url for APTANA? |
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| 19:32.12 | MauL^ | Eulex, I do web development, I need previewing :) |
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| 19:32.37 | MauL^ | burhan, www.aptana.com |
| 19:32.41 | dondelelcaro | MauL^: so your program should just call your webrowser directly with the temp files |
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| 19:34.08 | loXx | gpm: why does xlsfonts show the ttf-fonts, but no other app(openoffice/firefox/...) |
| 19:34.14 | hark | MauL^: just use firebug ;) |
| 19:34.17 | rmaj | either debian gets more windows-quality, or kernel, or my box falls appart... |
| 19:34.36 | rmaj | random freezes when using dual head, random oops on boot, keyboard problems |
| 19:34.38 | MauL^ | hark, I do Rails development not js :) |
| 19:34.49 | Braindead | rmaj: memtest? |
| 19:34.51 | amphi | rmaj: sounds like bad hardware |
| 19:34.56 | edju | Trying to set up wireless on a lap. "network restart" fails, trying to access the wrong ip for the router. Anything other than /etc/network/interfaces need to be config'ed? |
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| 19:35.16 | colera | i figured out how to mount thanks! |
| 19:35.23 | rmaj | amphi: it was quite ok for a year, its HP not some Acer, and it gets worse and wors each day. Im upgrading kernels/debian (Testing) daily |
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| 19:35.57 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: the testing kernel hasn't changed much recently |
| 19:35.57 | rmaj | since debial probably can't cause kernel panic, it must be then kernel or hardware right/ |
| 19:36.00 | Braindead | rmaj: the " it was quite ok for a year " is quite enlightening. check your hardware. |
| 19:36.05 | hathablue | I'm running jabberd in deb oldstable, the package jabberd 1-4. The server runs perfectly with plain and secure auth, however I'm not able to contact gmail users |
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| 19:36.11 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: 22.9 -> 23.1 |
| 19:36.14 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: so if it's getting worse, hardware is the most likely culprint |
| 19:36.15 | hathablue | it's not a fw problem, and I updated the bind with the srv records |
| 19:36.16 | Eulex | rmaj, imho hp isn't much better than acer. at least not their desktop systems. |
| 19:36.18 | hark | MauL^: oh, i thought aptana was just an HTML/CSS IDE |
| 19:36.20 | hathablue | do you know what's the problem ? |
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| 19:36.44 | MauL^ | hark, u can download rails plugin and it becomes a good enough rails IDE |
| 19:36.47 | oz_ | hark, igot mount error =5 input/output error |
| 19:37.04 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: I will check with another distro... yet, simmilar problem with keyboard (random repeaaaaat of keyyyyyyys) exists no 6.06 ubuntu 64 livecd |
| 19:37.23 | colera | exit |
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| 19:37.36 | rmaj | beer |
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| 19:38.08 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: uh... testing still is using the same 2.6.22-4 kernel it's been on for a while now |
| 19:38.16 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: so if you've upgraded kernels on your own, that's your deal |
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| 19:38.58 | MauL^ | stew, do u know why mozilla would not want it? |
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| 19:39.21 | CLIdiot | hey all - very basic command line question |
| 19:39.26 | Eulex | !why iceweasel |
| 19:39.26 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for more information. |
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| 19:40.09 | hark | oz_: try with the ip instead //192.168.1.29/ClientSetup |
| 19:40.22 | CLIdiot | I have a text file with several file names listed, each on a line. I want to delete every file listed. How do I pipe the output of that file into the 'rm' command? |
| 19:40.33 | burhan | is there something special that needs to be done for tomcat to work? I installed java and tomcat5.5, tomcat starts up fine ... but I can't seem to find any logs for it? |
| 19:40.34 | dondelelcaro | CLIdiot: you use xargs |
| 19:40.36 | Eulex | CLIdiot, cat file|xargs rm |
| 19:41.19 | CLIdiot | sweet! thanks |
| 19:41.24 | oz_ | hark, ok - it is working. But I'm not gettng anysmarter. what do you do ? what are this obscure messages ? |
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| 19:41.35 | dondelelcaro | and you probably want something like xargs -d"$(echo)" rm; but you'll figure that out. |
| 19:41.42 | hathablue | any help? |
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| 19:43.36 | stew | MauL^: i don't know |
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| 19:44.42 | gpm | does irc.d.o still point to oftc? |
| 19:44.52 | dondelelcaro | gpm: yes. |
| 19:45.10 | gpm | how is this channel more popular? |
| 19:45.10 | dondelelcaro | (and it will for the forseeable future) |
| 19:45.40 | burhan | what is oftc? |
| 19:45.52 | dondelelcaro | !oftc |
| 19:45.52 | dpkg | it has been said that oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 19:47.00 | loXx | ok guys, thanks for help. now the fonts work. i purged and reinstalled msttcorefonts for 3 times. cant find out why it didnt work the first time. bye |
| 19:47.06 | hark | oz_: moment |
| 19:47.55 | burhan | !framebuffer |
| 19:47.55 | dpkg | methinks framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 19:48.10 | burhan | !fbcon |
| 19:48.10 | dpkg | hmm... fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... |
| 19:48.54 | burhan | now how tha heck do you activate it |
| 19:48.56 | yure | hi, is there any way of adding a server fqdn and IP through commandline (like in env var) instead of /etc/hosts ? |
| 19:49.17 | burhan | adding it where? |
| 19:49.41 | wols | !hostname |
| 19:49.41 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 19:49.43 | Algaeman | echo 127.0.0.1 servername >> /etc/hosts |
| 19:49.44 | dkr | echo ip name >>/etc/hosts is commandline |
| 19:49.55 | dkr | Algaeman: great minds think alike. :) |
| 19:50.01 | yure | dkr, yes but i don't want to touch that file |
| 19:50.07 | yure | as i would have to remove it later |
| 19:50.16 | yure | i need it only while script is running |
| 19:50.20 | burhan | yure: you can set anything as a env var, but it won't be used unless you use it somewhere manually. |
| 19:50.31 | Throat | yure: the fdqn is done via DNA, not locally |
| 19:50.36 | gpm | burhan: there's an option to enable/disable framebuffer support if you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:50.40 | dkr | you don't have much choice, unles you add a new resource otion in /etc/nsswitch.conf for a way to look up hosts other than file or dns |
| 19:50.49 | yure | bah |
| 19:50.50 | burhan | gpm: I'm not using xserver, just console. |
| 19:50.52 | yure | too much hassle :) |
| 19:50.58 | yure | i will think of something else |
| 19:50.58 | gpm | burhan: what are you trying to enable then? |
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| 19:51.11 | Throat | yure: ifconfig can set all IPs directly |
| 19:51.23 | burhan | a higher resolution for the console other than whatever Atari resolution is default. |
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| 19:51.39 | nico1234 | hi |
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| 19:51.47 | burhan | I edited /boot/grub/menu.lst and defoptions=vga=791 but it is not sticking, so I am wondering should I set something else. |
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| 19:51.50 | gpm | burhan: boot options. in your menu.lst (grub) add a vga=[some code] to the kopt |
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| 19:52.02 | gpm | burhan: try adding it to your kernel line |
| 19:52.04 | gpm | or kopt |
| 19:52.16 | yure | Throat, it was a bad formulation of quesrion, but dkr understood what I wanted to say and answered it. thanks anyway |
| 19:52.20 | gpm | kopt doesn't always work for me either, it's kinda weird |
| 19:52.21 | yure | question :) |
| 19:52.50 | yure | i am too fast on my keyboard and slow on brains today :) |
| 19:52.54 | nico1234 | where can you tell iceweasel what app it should run to handle a particular type of file? |
| 19:53.12 | maxamillion | the version of apt-get that is in lenny right now, is it the updated one that has the 'auto-remove' option? |
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| 19:53.30 | keith4 | nico1234: edit->preferences->Content->Manage under File Types |
| 19:53.35 | hark | oz_: trial and error :) |
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| 19:53.52 | Eulex | maxamillion, not here at least |
| 19:54.12 | keith4 | maxamillion: sure you're not thinking of ubuntu? ;-) |
| 19:54.13 | yure | it has autoremove maxamillion |
| 19:54.15 | Eulex | maxamillion, oh, it's not an operation? |
| 19:54.15 | burhan | gpm: I did, but the option is not sticking for some reason. I had to manually edit the grub boot line. |
| 19:54.16 | oz_ | yeah, that's what I did... but I got only error |
| 19:54.28 | tingle | hmz i just installed debian+gnome but now i would like to remove the icons on the desktop but i cant :/ does anyone know how? |
| 19:54.32 | Eulex | maxamillion, ah, yes, --auto-remove is there |
| 19:54.38 | grendal_prime | anyone here use ossim? |
| 19:54.41 | nico1234 | keith4, thx |
| 19:54.42 | burhan | tingle: gconf-editor is what you need. |
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| 19:54.55 | Eulex | maxamillion, well. _autoremove_ exists. |
| 19:54.58 | liable | tingle: right click and delete? |
| 19:55.14 | gpm | burhan: yeah dude, i hear your pain. that happened to me too. you tried defoptions and kopt? |
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| 19:55.29 | burhan | yeah its on both. |
| 19:55.33 | tingle | liable: i cant its disabled in some way |
| 19:55.34 | burhan | but grub just ignores it. |
| 19:55.34 | hark | tingle: /apps/nautilus/desktop/ |
| 19:55.41 | DawnLight | when i ssh a debian with a defualt openssh-server installation and am asked for the password - is that called PAM? |
| 19:55.53 | maxamillion | keith4: well, i saw a guy i know do it on ubuntu and i noticed my debian etch machine lacked that operation and was wondering if lenny had it |
| 19:55.55 | gpm | burhan: yeah, i dunno, i have the same problem. but if you add it to the kernel line in menu.lst, it should stick |
| 19:56.02 | burhan | DawnLight: that's keyboard-authentication |
| 19:56.03 | laps | I have ext3 file system on my usb disk (/dev/sdb) but it is not automounting. How to make it automount? |
| 19:56.09 | Eulex | gpm, you'll need to run grup-update after you've changed kopt |
| 19:56.20 | tingle | hark: what can i do whit that? |
| 19:56.22 | gengis | hi, i am using debian etch 40r1, i have installed Zope that also include a python 2.4 installation. when i use apt-get install python-ldap, of course apt install it in debian's python. is there a way to install python-ldap in zope's python folder? |
| 19:56.26 | yure | tingle, which icons do you want to remove? |
| 19:56.28 | keith4 | maxamillion: guess they had to do *something* since they deprecated debfoster |
| 19:56.31 | maxamillion | keith4: because i would just update my /etc/apt/sources.list and update/upgrade |
| 19:56.38 | maxamillion | keith4: debfoster? |
| 19:56.43 | gpm | Eulex: why? doesn't update-grub just update menu.lst? |
| 19:56.44 | burhan | gengis: install it manually |
| 19:56.51 | tingle | yure: computer+home dir+trash can |
| 19:56.52 | keith4 | maxamillion: it's dangerous |
| 19:57.06 | Eulex | gpm, ... and transfers options from kopts to kernel options. |
| 19:57.09 | twobitsprite | is there some simple http pass-through proxy in debian? I.e., just something simple to by-pass my employer's filtering proxy... |
| 19:57.10 | maxamillion | keith4: oh .. huh |
| 19:57.21 | gpm | Eulex: aha. |
| 19:57.23 | keith4 | twobitsprite: squid? |
| 19:57.30 | Eulex | gpm, note that the kopts are in a comment. that is, grub doesn't read them. they're convenience added by debian. |
| 19:57.30 | gpm | burhan: that explains it huh? |
| 19:57.41 | burhan | I don't have such a command on my system |
| 19:57.42 | gpm | Eulex: now it all makes sense |
| 19:57.45 | maxamillion | keith4: i have actually used aptitude for a while, but i have noticed that when trying to clone machines that aptitude and dpkg selections don't really communicate very well ... which worries me on the whole |
| 19:57.52 | gpm | burhan: as root you should |
| 19:57.59 | hark | tingle: run gconf-editor /apps/nautilus/desktop and uncheck all you don't need |
| 19:58.02 | burhan | I'm telling you, as root I don't. |
| 19:58.08 | DawnLight | burhan: there isn't such a thing in man sshd_config |
| 19:58.13 | gpm | burhan: then i'm telling you, you're not using the debian version of grub |
| 19:58.28 | twobitsprite | keith4: lol... the web-page for that project is blocked :P |
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| 19:58.42 | tingle | hark: ty |
| 19:58.46 | laps | >I have ext3 file system on my usb disk (/dev/sdb) but it is not automounting. How to make it automount? gnome-volume-manager is running. please help. |
| 19:58.55 | keith4 | twobitsprite: i run squid at home to let my gf use the web from work |
| 19:59.07 | burhan | gpm: what else would I be using ... do you really think in the 1 hour that I have this system running, I had the spare time to download + compile + install grub, while installing all the various servers that I need to actually get my job done :P |
| 19:59.12 | yure | laps do you have HAL? |
| 19:59.27 | twobitsprite | keith4: right on... the blocking policies are attrocious here.. myspace is blocked as "personals and dating" |
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| 19:59.36 | laps | yure: I am a beginner. please let me know how I can found out |
| 19:59.42 | laps | yes in the booting it shows some HAL things. |
| 19:59.43 | yure | laps sudo apt-get install hal-device-manager |
| 19:59.44 | stew | if he has gnome-volume-manager, he must have hal |
| 20:00.00 | burhan | debian:~# grub-update |
| 20:00.02 | laps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.03 | Eulex | burhan, oh, it's update-grub, not grub-update |
| 20:00.04 | laps | 104 2802 1 0 01:22 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/hald |
| 20:00.07 | burhan | -bash: grub-update command not found |
| 20:00.08 | yure | yes |
| 20:00.10 | yure | that's it |
| 20:00.12 | stew | burhan: you mean update-grub |
| 20:00.15 | gpm | burhan: i don't know what to tell you. http://packages.debian.org/etch/grub/i386/filelist |
| 20:00.19 | laps | yure: so what to do now? |
| 20:00.21 | gpm | it's there. /sbin/update-grub |
| 20:00.23 | tingle | hark: worked like a charm |
| 20:00.31 | gpm | lol |
| 20:00.34 | gpm | oh, a typo |
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| 20:00.38 | DawnLight | bbl |
| 20:00.40 | hark | tingle: great :) |
| 20:00.47 | tingle | when i booted i saw a fatal error i there some log where i can see if the system runs like its supose to? |
| 20:00.52 | alex^^ | whats a good dtp daemon out there for etch, that allow virtual users and is NOT pure-ftpd and pro-ftpd |
| 20:00.53 | laps | my usbdisk is not automounting after I formatted it to ext3 |
| 20:00.57 | gpm | it's all Eulex's fault |
| 20:01.05 | Eulex | yeah, all mine fault |
| 20:01.13 | yure | laps, is the device not mounted or just not showing on the desktop |
| 20:01.19 | yure | check if it's in /media |
| 20:01.40 | gpm | though, in his defence, he also solved the problem |
| 20:01.41 | laps | yure: /media/usbdisk is there, but it has not mounted. so of course it is not showing on the desktop too |
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| 20:01.47 | laps | there is nothing in /media/usbdisk |
| 20:01.55 | laps | the output of mount doesn't show sdb or sdb1 anywhere |
| 20:02.22 | burhan | now onto the other problem -- tomcat. |
| 20:02.32 | yure | laps, go to System->Preferences->Removable devices |
| 20:02.35 | hark | tingle: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 20:02.38 | yure | is everything selected there? |
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| 20:03.04 | yure | laps, first three boxes have to be checked |
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| 20:03.17 | laps | yure: yes it is selected |
| 20:03.39 | laps | yure: it was working fine earlier, after formatting my usb drive to ext3 it stopped automounting. |
| 20:03.59 | stew | laps: run "lshal --monitor" plut in your device, and show us what comes out. use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:05.38 | laps | stew: http://pastebin.com/m4bf7010a |
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| 20:07.05 | tingle | does anyone know what this is about? Thu Oct 18 22:04:45 2007: Detecting hardware...FATAL: Error inserting i8xx_tco (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/char/watchdog/i8xx_tco.ko): No such device |
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| 20:08.44 | Darkclaw55 | how can I specify in fstab for a particular partition that if it doesnt mount that its okay and not to make a big deal o fit? |
| 20:09.16 | laps | when I mount it as: mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb /media/usbdisk/ |
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| 20:09.23 | laps | I am unable to write anything in it as non-root user. |
| 20:09.42 | alex^^ | whats a good ftp daemon out there for etch, that allow virtual users and is NOT pure-ftpd and pro-ftpd |
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| 20:10.14 | gengis | <burhan>: this is what i don't know to do :( |
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| 20:10.34 | burhan | gengis: what? |
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| 20:12.37 | stew | alex^^: vsftpd |
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| 20:13.17 | Buglouse | System: Debian-Etch. Shell: BASH. Question: What is the enviroment variable to set the terminal history size? Not the bash history like in ~/.bach_history, but the terminal output size. Also, how can I change the terminal font? Is this a configuration option in Xorg? |
| 20:13.47 | burhan | Buglouse: for what terminal? |
| 20:13.54 | Buglouse | tty0 |
| 20:14.07 | linio | HISTFILESIZE |
| 20:14.21 | _Sam-- | i think he is talking about scrollback buffer |
| 20:14.22 | Eulex | !ftpmustdie |
| 20:14.23 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 20:14.40 | Buglouse | no, the ENV variable HISTSIZE is the bash command line size, not the "screen" size. |
| 20:14.42 | linio | ah... COLUMNS |
| 20:14.59 | burhan | Buglouse: you mean the terminal resolution? |
| 20:15.01 | SpeedyG | how can I set fstab so that when I want a user to mount his usb-drive, it automatically mounts in /home/username/usb ? |
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| 20:15.18 | _Sam-- | so export $HISTFILESIZE=XXX ? |
| 20:15.19 | stew | he means how much data is available whe he hits ctrl-pgup |
| 20:15.29 | stew | no, not command history |
| 20:15.30 | Buglouse | burhan: The terminal resolution and the output size. |
| 20:15.33 | burhan | ah, the scrollback buffer. |
| 20:15.38 | Anthro | Anyone know of any plans to package Apple's Apache-licensed Calendar Server? |
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| 20:16.02 | Buglouse | yes, scrollback buffer. thank you for that |
| 20:16.02 | stew | Anthro: http://debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 20:16.08 | _Sam-- | sure |
| 20:16.16 | Iconsumed | I am having trouble getting my hp laserjet 1018 to print... I have hplip installed but hp-setup doesn't find the printer (and if I enter manually the usb info it finds but then when I finally click finish it says the printer is in an errorous state) |
| 20:16.27 | Anthro | stew: Excellent, thanks |
| 20:16.30 | Buglouse | i'll try google. |
| 20:16.32 | _Sam-- | Iconsumed: i print to 1018 from linux here, cups / foomatic |
| 20:16.36 | Iconsumed | and now I tried to install hpoj again but |
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| 20:16.53 | burhan | Buglouse: not sure about the scrollback buffer -- but to change the resolution I just set the vga mode in the kernel boot options. vga=791 gives you 1024x768 terminal. |
| 20:16.56 | Anthro | stew: And, indeed! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384644 |
| 20:17.05 | _Sam-- | it was actually surprisingly easy to print to the 1018s |
| 20:17.21 | Buglouse | burhan: That answers my second question |
| 20:17.25 | Buglouse | Thank u |
| 20:17.33 | Iconsumed | _Sam--: but what should I do? |
| 20:17.35 | stew | Buglouse: its going to be something specific to your terminal emulator. i would expect it to be controlled by x resources not by an env variable |
| 20:17.39 | gengis | burhan : i don't know the way to manually install python-ldap in my zope's python installation |
| 20:17.51 | Iconsumed | _Sam--: hplip is the way to go, right? |
| 20:17.53 | Buglouse | alright |
| 20:17.58 | stew | Buglouse: for instance if you are using xterm, its the scrollLines resource which is settable from the command line or from resources |
| 20:18.15 | burhan | gengis: it is just like installing anything else in python, just download the package and copy the files into a directory in zope. |
| 20:18.22 | stew | Buglouse: or maybe saveLines, i don't know what the difference is |
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| 20:18.31 | _Sam-- | Iconsumed: i used cups, and foomatic. apt-cache search cups , apt-cache search foomatic |
| 20:18.51 | burhan | gengis: you can also change the PYTHONPATH variable in zope and add the directory with your custom python-ldap first. |
| 20:19.06 | Buglouse | stew: don't know what ternimal I'm using I guess. How would i go about locating that info. |
| 20:19.26 | burhan | Buglouse: I remember reading something about framebuffer -- it increases the resolution, but reduces your scrollback buffer. |
| 20:19.32 | Anthro | Is there a way to search for packages by maintainer? I couldn't find anything about it in the apt-cache man page. |
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| 20:19.45 | _Sam-- | Iconsumed : http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1018 |
| 20:19.48 | stew | Buglouse: what does "readlink -f $(which x-terminal-emulator)" return? |
| 20:19.53 | burhan | gengis: #python can probably help you more on that |
| 20:19.54 | stan_ley | hey i got question about ssh |
| 20:20.14 | gengis | burhan : thank you very much for your answers :) i try in #python |
| 20:20.31 | SpeedyG | Hi, What is a good image-viewer program for linux? :) |
| 20:20.36 | nico1234 | anyone has a working gnome-keyboard-properties with lenny? |
| 20:20.37 | stiv2k | what is the program that will mount any devices i attach to my computer (like USB drives, xD cards, etc)... is that gnome-volume-manager? |
| 20:20.38 | stew | Anthro: use grep-dctrl |
| 20:20.41 | Anthro | SpeedyG: display |
| 20:20.47 | gpm | burhan: yeah, my scrolling is definitely slower with framebuffer usage |
| 20:20.47 | burhan | SpeedyG: eog, f-spot, pornview |
| 20:20.49 | Anthro | SpeedyG: part of ImageMagick |
| 20:21.06 | Buglouse | stew:gnome-terminal.wrapper |
| 20:21.08 | burhan | SpeedyG: picasa |
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| 20:21.23 | nico1234 | lol it really exists :-) |
| 20:21.29 | stew | Anthro: or go to (for instance) http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=stew@vireo.org |
| 20:21.45 | burhan | Buglouse: in gnome terminal, you can change the font etc. by editing your profile. I thought you mean on the console (ie, without X) |
| 20:21.46 | stan_ley | oi, why does SSH lock internet access to other apps ? |
| 20:21.58 | stew | stan_ley: huh? |
| 20:22.10 | Buglouse | i know, i am at the console, i don't know why it gave me that output. |
| 20:22.18 | Buglouse | I have X installed, but not in use. |
| 20:22.22 | stew | Buglouse: if its gnome terminal, i'd expect you to have some menu with preferences or something |
| 20:22.26 | Buglouse | my X server is not runnning |
| 20:22.29 | stew | Buglouse: ohh |
| 20:22.36 | stew | Buglouse: nevermind then, i though you were using an xterm |
| 20:22.36 | burhan | Buglouse: well that's strange :| |
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| 20:22.52 | Buglouse | like putty? |
| 20:23.20 | stan_ley | when i ssh to a remote system, other apps cant get internet access; they timeout |
| 20:23.25 | Anthro | stew: Ah, even easier. Thanks. |
| 20:23.31 | Buglouse | stew: i don't know what the term means (xterm) ill google. |
| 20:23.38 | stew | Buglouse: no, forget it |
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| 20:23.55 | stew | Buglouse: i thought you were using x, if you are just at a text console, then forget about xterm |
| 20:23.56 | Buglouse | oh |
| 20:24.19 | Buglouse | i know what xterm is now, nope. at tty0 as i said before |
| 20:24.50 | Buglouse | still found nothing about the scrollback buffer on google |
| 20:25.09 | burhan | I think its a limitation of the video driver you are using. |
| 20:25.30 | burhan | because when you have a framebuffer console, it affects the amount of data you have in the buffer. |
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| 20:25.33 | stan_ley | btw, i use socks forwarding; [ ssh tidiman07@remote.org -D 7777 ] |
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| 20:25.42 | Anthro | Buglouse: What is your issue? I came in late. You want more scrollback on the text console? |
| 20:25.57 | Buglouse | no. I've changed this setting before, long ago. It's just a simple config file edit... somewheres though. |
| 20:26.20 | Anthro | Buglouse: Ah. Okay. I was going to suggest using screen. |
| 20:26.28 | Assid | hrmm when is lenny going stable? anyone have a clue ? |
| 20:26.44 | Buglouse | Anthro: Hello, yes. scrollback on the test console is my issue, i want to have more scrollback. |
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| 20:27.02 | Anthro | Buglouse: Yeah, so I recommend using screen. |
| 20:27.28 | cahoot | -sl 1000 option sets the number of lines in the scroll buffer to 1000 |
| 20:27.52 | Buglouse | thank you |
| 20:27.55 | Buglouse | so much |
| 20:28.10 | stew | cahoot: option to what program? |
| 20:28.11 | burhan | Buglouse: there is a kernel option that controls scrollback buffers for vga consoles ... and I think you can add fbcon=scrollback:128K to your kernel options to increase the scroll back buffer, I think default is 32K |
| 20:28.12 | Buglouse | but that does not work for me.. |
| 20:28.25 | stew | cahoot: getty? |
| 20:28.28 | Buglouse | yea, stew's question |
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| 20:29.41 | burhan | Buglouse: but you should use screen anyway -- its amazing :) |
| 20:30.02 | Atalanta | any of you ever created a compiler? |
| 20:30.06 | cahoot | stew, thought it was about xterm |
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| 20:30.15 | stew | cahoot: no, just tty1 |
| 20:30.17 | Buglouse | i do love screen... |
| 20:30.23 | xXCarpXx | hello |
| 20:30.27 | burhan | kernel option is CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK |
| 20:30.27 | _Sam-- | why would you need to create your own compiler? |
| 20:30.32 | _Sam-- | did you write your own new language? |
| 20:30.41 | stew | Atalanta: in college, in my programming languages course |
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| 20:30.53 | Atalanta | what was it about |
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| 20:31.03 | Atalanta | (what lang did you write it in, which did you write it for, etc) |
| 20:31.09 | burhan | I knew a guy who optimized compilers |
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| 20:31.26 | xXCarpXx | id like to install lighthttpd ... i am running debian sarge ... i searched for it but there are only etch-packages ... so i added the following repository deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main and i ran apt-get update |
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| 20:31.50 | xXCarpXx | but i still cant install the package, because when i run apt-get install lighthttpd apt cant find the proper package |
| 20:32.07 | _Sam-- | apt-cache search light |grep http |
| 20:32.10 | ebbs | hi there, if I start emacs I get a warning message(Cannot convert string "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct), which results in little rectangles instead of letters. This only happens, if the x-server is started by gdm. After starting with startx emacs works fine. Can somebody help me? |
| 20:32.20 | xXCarpXx | thx sam, i gonna try this |
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| 20:32.36 | Iconsumed | _Sam--: I have both cups and foomatic installed, what should I run to setup the printer? |
| 20:32.46 | stew | xXCarpXx: its spelled lighttpd |
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| 20:32.58 | xXCarpXx | yes stew^^^ |
| 20:33.04 | xXCarpXx | i just found it out |
| 20:33.06 | xXCarpXx | omg omg omg |
| 20:33.09 | _Sam-- | Iconsumed : you could try foomatic-confgiure |
| 20:33.09 | dkr | xXCarpXx: thttpd is on sarge. :) |
| 20:33.15 | _Sam-- | foomatic-configure |
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| 20:33.17 | xXCarpXx | thx for ur help |
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| 20:34.00 | kisielk | alright, I'm trying to rename one of my network interfaces |
| 20:34.08 | stew | kisielk: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 20:34.31 | kisielk | I change the name in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent_net.rules |
| 20:34.39 | kisielk | but then it still assigns it "eth0" as a name |
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| 20:35.15 | Iconsumed | _Sam--: ok it just showed me a long list of options (have lost the name for the "-something" after the application) and it didn't seam right but I'll look thru them and see if there is something for m |
| 20:35.24 | kisielk | even though udevtest says it should get "lan" |
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| 20:36.03 | _Sam-- | Iconsumed : you may need to make sure you have hplip installed, too |
| 20:36.09 | _Sam-- | which should be available by apt-get |
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| 20:36.42 | Iconsumed | oh I'm sure |
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| 20:37.03 | _Sam-- | all i had to do was just select the right printer from within foomatic and tell it the proper address of the printer and it spit out test pages nearly instantly. |
| 20:37.14 | _Sam-- | my 1018s that i print to are not connected to the linux box but are shared under windows. |
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| 20:37.26 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:37.49 | Ace2016 | can someone point me to somewhere i can get a howto or something on setting up aiglx in debian |
| 20:37.50 | Ace2016 | sid |
| 20:37.59 | _Sam-- | i actually had a small front end GUI maybe within cups that helped select and setup the printer. |
| 20:38.03 | Ace2016 | yes i googled |
| 20:38.10 | Ace2016 | but the ones i tried failed to work |
| 20:38.34 | Iconsumed | _Sam--: but you don't know the name? |
| 20:38.53 | hark | Ace2016: it's enabled by default |
| 20:38.55 | _Sam-- | no, i didnt need to know a name, because within the GUI , i picked HP and then picked the printer type. |
| 20:39.16 | _Sam-- | Go to http://127.0.0.1:631/printers |
| 20:39.17 | stew | Ace2016: add: Option "AIGLX" "true" ; to you ServerLayout |
| 20:39.26 | kisielk | stew: okay, well, it doesn't seem to be working for me for whatever reason |
| 20:39.27 | _Sam-- | you should get a GUI if you installed cups, and if its running. |
| 20:39.41 | _Sam-- | i did it within lynx, on the same machine running cups. |
| 20:39.43 | kisielk | stew: I set the name in the z25 file, but it still defaults to eth0 |
| 20:39.45 | ebbs | nobody there, who knows what differences there are between gdm and startx, except of the X-login? (see problem above...) |
| 20:39.54 | stew | kisielk: double check the mac address. i dont' know why that wouldn't work |
| 20:40.10 | hark | Ace2016: grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:40.13 | kisielk | stew: well, I used the generator |
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| 20:40.25 | stew | kisielk: i don't know what the generator is |
| 20:40.36 | stew | kisielk: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:40.43 | _Sam-- | Iconsumed : you're welcome :) |
| 20:41.00 | kisielk | stew: the kernel certainly supports udev |
| 20:41.07 | kisielk | also if I run udevtest |
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| 20:41.13 | kisielk | it says the interface should be renamed to lan |
| 20:41.17 | Ace2016 | ok i'm back |
| 20:41.29 | Ace2016 | yea i added option enable aiglx |
| 20:41.35 | Iconsumed | _Sam--: yes thanks a lot, this is a total mess I'm very glad you are here to advice me |
| 20:41.43 | Ace2016 | so how do i know if aiglx is working? |
| 20:41.48 | _Sam-- | it wont be a mess if you spend about 10 minutes in the web GUI there |
| 20:41.51 | _Sam-- | very easy |
| 20:42.11 | stew | Ace2016: look at the log |
| 20:42.35 | Ace2016 | ace@Ace2017:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i aiglx |
| 20:42.35 | Ace2016 | (**) Option "AIGLX" "true" |
| 20:42.40 | burhan | Ace2016: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 20:42.42 | Ace2016 | I don't think its working based on that |
| 20:42.42 | Darkclaw55 | how can I specify in fstab for a particular partition that if it doesnt mount that its okay and not to make a big deal o fit? |
| 20:42.46 | _Sam-- | Iconsumed : for more info, please refer to: http://home.swbell.net/berzerke/printing.html |
| 20:42.50 | stew | burhan: that has nothign to do with aiglx, does it? |
| 20:42.52 | _Sam-- | it has very good instructions on adding the new printer. |
| 20:42.53 | Ace2016 | ace@Ace2017:~$ glxinfo | grep direct |
| 20:42.53 | Ace2016 | direct rendering: Yes |
| 20:43.00 | _Sam-- | have to scroll about 1/2 way to get get them |
| 20:43.03 | burhan | stew: no, but if its working it will tell him that he is using a software render. |
| 20:43.09 | claudio` | Does exists a console font which supports all characters of the UTF-8-demo file? |
| 20:43.16 | stew | burhan: it will? |
| 20:43.27 | burhan | stew: it does on all the systems I have tried it on :) |
| 20:43.41 | burhan | granted none were debian but it should be the same. |
| 20:43.58 | nico1234 | is it possible to use KDE's equivalent to gnome-keyboard-properties while running gnome? |
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| 20:44.03 | stew | burhan: so you are saying that since he is using direct rendering, he must not be using aiglx? |
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| 20:44.19 | stew | i don't think that is right |
| 20:44.29 | burhan | no I'm saying that when he is using aiglx, it will show two renderes -- one is the mesa project |
| 20:44.29 | Ace2016 | so is aiglx working? |
| 20:44.34 | nico1234 | or is there a desktop-independant similar app? |
| 20:45.19 | Eulex | Ace2016, perhaps. only way to really know is to test it. |
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| 20:45.43 | Ace2016 | well i'm running compiz and it feels slow and sluggish just as when i first ran it in plain old X |
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| 20:46.07 | burhan | Ace2016: what video card? |
| 20:46.09 | Eulex | Ace2016, compiz won't run without aiglx or xgl |
| 20:46.30 | Ace2016 | yea i want xgl but that just white screens, i remember xgl being a lot faster and smoother |
| 20:46.32 | claudio` | I guess not :\ |
| 20:46.36 | stew | Ace2016: what does "grep AIGLX /var/log/Xorg.0.log" return? |
| 20:46.42 | Eulex | Ace2016, and a terrible hack. |
| 20:46.43 | stew | Ace2016: it should say "AIGLX enabled" |
| 20:46.43 | _Sam-- | Eulex: sorry for seeming overly grateful (i am), but thank you again for your perl help yesterday. |
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| 20:46.52 | Eulex | _Sam--, yw, yw :) |
| 20:46.52 | stew | burhan: btw, i have aiglx enabled and not direct rendering |
| 20:47.04 | Ace2016 | stew: only this: (**) Option "AIGLX" "true" |
| 20:47.18 | burhan | stew: does yours say mesa project for the render? |
| 20:47.30 | Eulex | stew, that sounds backwards. stuff rendered through aiglx would prolly be unaccelerated. |
| 20:47.54 | stew | well, maybe i have direct rendering |
| 20:48.06 | Ace2016 | i |
| 20:48.06 | Ace2016 | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 20:48.06 | Ace2016 | server glx version string: 1.4 |
| 20:48.06 | Ace2016 | server glx extensions: |
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| 20:48.12 | burhan | it should show two renders -- one is mesa, the other is whatever driver you have for your video card. |
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| 20:48.23 | Ace2016 | yea thats what it says as the rendering info |
| 20:48.28 | stew | burhan: no, just mesa |
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| 20:48.39 | burhan | stew: what is your video card? |
| 20:48.41 | Ace2016 | shouldn't it say something about aiglx instead of nvidia |
| 20:49.17 | stew | burhan: intel GM965 |
| 20:49.40 | burhan | maybe that's why -- on my machine with the ati drivers, it shows two renders. |
| 20:49.41 | Eulex | Ace2016, I don't think so |
| 20:49.44 | burhan | same with the laptop with nvidia. |
| 20:50.01 | Ace2016 | mine is a laptop with nvidia too |
| 20:50.16 | Ace2016 | i got it so i can run xgl, but debian doesn't seem to have xgl :( |
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| 20:51.04 | Eulex | Ace2016, does your nvidia driver have aiglx support? ie, is you nvidia driver v9629 or newer? |
| 20:51.20 | Eulex | Ace2016, right, because xgl is a terrible hack. |
| 20:51.27 | burhan | you don't need xgl for nvidia. |
| 20:51.37 | burhan | nvidia works very nicely with aiglx (iirc) |
| 20:51.38 | Eulex | *your |
| 20:51.40 | maxamillion | anyone running KDE on etch, have you had success connecting to pptp vpn connections? (if in the event you have needed to do so) |
| 20:51.49 | Ace2016 | its the latest version of the nvidia driver: /usr/lib/libGL.so.100.14.19 |
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| 20:52.11 | Ace2016 | i don't know how to get it to be as smooth or as fast as it was with the nvidia driver |
| 20:52.16 | lindenle | How do i use my base station cdrom? |
| 20:52.23 | Eulex | Ace2016, then go ask nvidia why it isn't working well. |
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| 20:53.40 | Ace2016 | is it possible to run an xserver out of a chroot environment? |
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| 20:54.18 | Eulex | Ace2016, I see no reason you couldn't. |
| 20:54.25 | Ace2016 | ok cool |
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| 20:55.41 | telmich | did anyone see that error in debian sid with eboard: (eboard:26189): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Bitstream Vera Sans 0' |
| 20:56.07 | telmich | the result is that the seek table has unviewable characters (like in those boxes []) |
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| 20:57.53 | rmaj | why debia can not play correctly dvds? |
| 20:58.35 | craigevil | it does you need libdvdcss2 |
| 20:58.52 | rmaj | dvd spins down each few minutes, then hangs the player for 3-5 seconds, then continues. wtf |
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| 20:59.31 | xXCarpXx | [22:58:05] * rmaj tries to find a field of desktop computer usage which some linux distro does fully correctly <- -.- |
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| 20:59.42 | xXCarpXx | whats correct? |
| 20:59.45 | xXCarpXx | like windows? |
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| 21:02.13 | abrotman | rmaj: you might want to try another player |
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| 21:03.12 | valdyn | rmaj: dvd drives are mostly autonomouse, not like debian can do much at all |
| 21:03.18 | daidalus13 | hi. I am running debian sarge and mysql. I cannot find my root password for mysql. Any ideas how I can 'reset' the root password? |
| 21:04.05 | dkr | daidalus13: that's a faq. hrm #mysql's bot is out temproarily. search mysql.com ;) |
| 21:04.06 | abrotman | !tell daidalus13 about forgot mysql root password |
| 21:04.06 | creature | daidalus13: I'm pretty sure there are instructions in the MySQL FAQ. |
| 21:04.19 | abrotman | win me! :) |
| 21:04.21 | liable | valdyn: isnt it the player and kernels job to cache etc so it works smoothly? |
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| 21:04.46 | daidalus13 | ok thanks drk and creature |
| 21:05.06 | Ace2016 | ok i'm back and i think i know whats lagging compiz on plain X, its the fonts, xgl seems to not have the problem with fonts or something like that because the shift switcher is a lot faster to respond since it does not have fonts than the alt+tab preview switcher |
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| 21:05.48 | valdyn | liable: yea, maybe i misunderstood his issue |
| 21:06.05 | valdyn | rmaj: you can use larger caches for playing too, so your drive gets ample time to speed up |
| 21:08.34 | valdyn | Ace2016: compiz uses framebuffers and pixels, not fonts |
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| 21:09.32 | creature | So, I recently switched over my laptop from using NetworkManager for its wireless connection to using /etc/network/interfaces. But now when I open its lid after closing it (ie. returning from suspend-to-RAM) I lose all wireless and it doesn't come back. a) how do I reset it manually? b) how do I configure it to do it automatically? |
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| 21:10.26 | Ace2016 | yea i'm going to switch to ubuntu for a bit, i realise i can't live without xgl |
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| 21:11.08 | abrotman | that's a rough life |
| 21:11.10 | maxamillion | Ace2016: you can't live without xgl or can't live without compiz? |
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| 21:11.15 | Galaxor | Hi. I'd like to catch cd insert notifications, and fire a script. Can I do this at udev? Or do I have to go up to kde and use dbus? Or can I write some sort of non-gui app that listens for these things? Or is there a script I can throw someplace else? |
| 21:11.15 | maxamillion | err... fusion* |
| 21:11.25 | liable | creature: you can call networking to stop in suspend configs |
| 21:11.29 | Galaxor | Or... can somebody give me some good search terms for google? |
| 21:11.38 | abrotman | Galaxor: i did that .. i think i used udev |
| 21:11.38 | liable | then bring it up again on wake up |
| 21:11.48 | amphi | Ace2016: you could built xgl from git or whatever - no need to sink into the depths ;) |
| 21:11.49 | Ace2016 | Maximilian: well without xgl compiz just isn't smooth enough |
| 21:12.02 | maxamillion | Ace2016: what video card do you have? |
| 21:12.07 | creature | liable: I think the bigger problem is that on resume, it seems to deny the interface exists. |
| 21:12.18 | Galaxor | abrotman: I ran udevmonitor, and I put a cd in and took it out and put it in and took it out, and nothing showed up in udevmonitor. |
| 21:12.20 | creature | When I call /etc/init.d/networking restart I get "No such device". |
| 21:13.03 | Ace2016 | i tried for 7 hours yesterday and about 4 today to compile xgl from git, and from the orig.tar.gz files i found in various repos |
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| 21:13.03 | Galaxor | abrotman: Although, each time, soundjuicer started up, telling me that it was noticing the cd insertions. |
| 21:13.03 | amphi | Ace2016: xgl will probably make things worse |
| 21:13.04 | abrotman | Galaxor: sadly .. i'm not at home where i have the bits that i used to do it |
| 21:13.05 | Galaxor | abrotman: hm. |
| 21:13.19 | amphi | !tell Ace2016 about xgl |
| 21:13.20 | abrotman | Galaxor: i might have used some CD tool instead |
| 21:13.24 | Ace2016 | but i use xgl on my desktop and that has an nvidia card too |
| 21:13.29 | abrotman | Galaxor: but i did have it working with udev also IIRC |
| 21:13.34 | rmaj | valdyn: in VLC? |
| 21:13.41 | Buglouse | Back to my orig question... I tried "screen" and the scrollback is still about 50 lines, how do I expand this is screen or with my console? |
| 21:13.45 | valdyn | rmaj: i don't know vlc much |
| 21:13.49 | Galaxor | abrotman: Do you remember any information-rich search terms I can use? |
| 21:13.51 | rmaj | valdyn: and it looks like the driver anyway spins down SINCE vlc ches and doesnt tell driver to read |
| 21:14.03 | valdyn | rmaj: its safe to assume it has a cache setting |
| 21:14.05 | Ace2016 | i don't mind if the cpu usage goes up a lot as long as everything is smooth and nice |
| 21:14.06 | amphi | Ace2016: there's no need for xgl on nvidia |
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| 21:14.19 | liable | creature: try having the module unloaded/loaded at suspend/resume |
| 21:14.28 | valdyn | rmaj: maybe you want to try 'mplayer -cache 16000 dvd://' |
| 21:14.31 | liable | creature: this all worked ok with NM? |
| 21:14.38 | rmaj | valdyn: mplayer is crappy |
| 21:14.42 | amphi | Ace2016: compiz is 'smooth and nice' on my 32MB mobility radeon 7500 |
| 21:14.43 | creature | liable: It did. |
| 21:14.45 | abrotman | Galaxor: i think i used bits from the 'cdtool' package |
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| 21:14.51 | rmaj | VLC is the less crappy player so far (despite some medium annoying bugs) |
| 21:14.54 | h3sp4wn | Buglouse: You can set that in .screenrc |
| 21:14.55 | valdyn | rmaj: does that matter to see if this basicallyt works, increasing tghe cache? |
| 21:15.03 | creature | liable: Shall we take it one step at a time? How do I get it to stop networking on suspend and resuming it on startup? |
| 21:15.14 | valdyn | rmaj: i'd think it does not |
| 21:15.18 | h3sp4wn | Buglouse: e.g defscrollback 5000 |
| 21:15.22 | valdyn | rmaj: you're free to try it wherever too |
| 21:15.24 | abrotman | Galaxor: basically .. i was going to use it with a slotloader to see when a CD was in |
| 21:15.44 | Galaxor | abrotman: cdtool. Thanks. |
| 21:15.55 | Buglouse | thank you h3sp4wn |
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| 21:16.06 | Galaxor | abrotman: I'm trying to do it so that when you insert a cd, it will automatically rip it to mp3 with no human interaction other than sticking the disk in. |
| 21:16.10 | liable | creature: the only way i have used suspend was with suspend script with the suspend2? package, it has config files for this sort of thing |
| 21:16.22 | abrotman | Galaxor: that's what i was using it for .. with jack (not jackd) |
| 21:16.30 | amphi | rmaj: mplayer is not crappy, it works well here |
| 21:16.33 | abrotman | Galaxor: if you catch me when i'm home .. i wrote all the stuff |
| 21:16.53 | h3sp4wn | Buglouse: I presume you are using control-a escape (or control-a [) |
| 21:16.56 | xtor | http://i22.tinypic.com/ehhg6g.png <--- Do these stats indicate I am doing something wrong, optimization wise? |
| 21:17.01 | valdyn | guess that's matter of taste, but its clearly irrelevant to testing how caching affects playback |
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| 21:17.14 | abrotman | Galaxor: IIRC .. i basically just made a cron task that checked every 2-3 minutes and if a CD was there ripped/encoded |
| 21:17.15 | Buglouse | h3sp4wn: to escape screen? |
| 21:17.21 | abrotman | Galaxor: and then spit it out |
| 21:17.25 | h3sp4wn | Buglouse: To put it into scroll mode |
| 21:17.29 | yel | good evening everyone |
| 21:17.41 | abrotman | we should all start yelling |
| 21:17.44 | Galaxor | abrotman: Can I send you an email? |
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| 21:17.58 | yel | i can not find the gnome-compiz-manager package using aptitude (etch) |
| 21:18.07 | abrotman | Galaxor: you could .. but i'm here quite a bit .. i won't be on tonight though i don't think |
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| 21:18.13 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: mplayer plays everthing here |
| 21:18.17 | rmaj | amphi: does it also works well about dvd menus |
| 21:18.21 | h3sp4wn | *everything |
| 21:18.24 | Buglouse | h3sp4wn: nope |
| 21:18.26 | abrotman | Galaxor: and i can post the very simple script for you on a pastebin when i'm home |
| 21:18.29 | rmaj | h3sp4wn: with dvd menus? |
| 21:18.30 | Buglouse | h3sp4wn: don't know what you mean |
| 21:18.42 | liable | mplayer doesnt do menus |
| 21:18.53 | Galaxor | abrotman: Perfect. |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | Galaxor: basically it just uses cdinfo to look for the CD .. and then if it's there, call jack with the correct options to rip/encode .. then eject |
| 21:18.57 | liable | xine and vlc do though |
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| 21:19.04 | amphi | rmaj: I think it has something for them; I don't use them (indeed, I hardly ever see dvds - optical meeja are teh sukc ;) |
| 21:19.18 | Galaxor | abrotman: Okay, I'll have to look at this cdtools package. |
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| 21:19.44 | abrotman | Galaxor: otherwise .. stop by in the evening (I'm EST) .. and i can pastebin it |
| 21:19.46 | rmaj | amphi: the actuall problem was selection of sub and audio lang ;) |
| 21:20.05 | creature | liable: Well, probably best to get it going un-automatically first, don't you think? |
| 21:20.24 | amphi | rmaj: -sid -aid or -lang -slang |
| 21:20.33 | liable | creature: sure, reload the module and start networking |
| 21:20.39 | Galaxor | abrotman: Okay, thanks. |
| 21:20.53 | creature | liable: Well, let's close the lid and re-open it, and diagnose the problem from there? |
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| 21:21.26 | liable | creature: right, go ahead |
| 21:21.28 | Galaxor | abrotman: Hm. So, you had to do it by polling? Like, you'd check every now and then to see if a cd was in the drive? |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | Galaxor: a cron task IIRC .. |
| 21:21.43 | liable | creature: before you do |
| 21:21.45 | h3sp4wn | Buglouse: You should read more about how to use screen |
| 21:21.53 | Buglouse | i am |
| 21:21.55 | creature | liable: Too late. |
| 21:21.55 | Buglouse | thank you |
| 21:21.59 | liable | creature: take networking down and unload the module |
| 21:22.06 | abrotman | Galaxor: i wasn't concerned with how fast it would find/rip/encode .. just that it didn't bother me to do it :) |
| 21:22.10 | rmaj | amphi: I know.. it SHOULD work, but... ;) |
| 21:22.16 | liable | creature: ok, see if it works reloading the module |
| 21:22.19 | amphi | rmaj: it does for me |
| 21:22.29 | rmaj | amphi: it USUALLY does for me |
| 21:22.35 | creature | Right. As root: rmmod hostap_pci; rmmod hostap |
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| 21:22.37 | h3sp4wn | Buglouse: C-a esc (copy) Enter copy/scrollback mode. |
| 21:22.50 | liable | creature: use modprobe -r |
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| 21:22.53 | Octopssy | Does anyone know the switch to rar all contents of a dir? |
| 21:23.25 | creature | liable: OK. Any others I should remove? |
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| 21:23.37 | Galaxor | abrotman: That makes sense. |
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| 21:24.20 | liable | creature: dunno, try reloading that for starters |
| 21:24.32 | creature | OK. Is -r to modprobe for reload or remove? |
| 21:24.40 | liable | remove |
| 21:25.08 | creature | Do I want networking restart or networking start? |
| 21:25.08 | Galaxor | abrotman: If I can't figure out another way, I can try this polling method. But my intention is a little different. I'm over at a radio station with 40,000 cds. I want to get them all ripped into the computer. So I'd very much like to maximize throughput. |
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| 21:25.18 | liable | creature: modprobe -r removes the modules dependancies as well, whereas rmmod only removes that one module |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | Galaxor: pay a high school kid :) |
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| 21:25.28 | liable | creature: try restart first |
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| 21:25.46 | abrotman | Galaxor: there are firms that will digitize a whole catalogue |
| 21:25.47 | Buglouse | h3sp4wn: got it, thanks |
| 21:26.18 | creature | liable: First error is on the "reconfiguring network interfaces" I get "ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device". |
| 21:26.30 | creature | Then a whole load of similar errors. |
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| 21:26.46 | liable | creature: ok, does the iface show in ifconfig -a? |
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| 21:27.10 | creature | liable: I don't think so. |
| 21:27.24 | creature | It was wlan0_rename before. I now have a wifi0, and I don't know what that is. |
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| 21:27.38 | ericP | anyone know how i turn a package spec (http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main libfaac0 1.26-0.0) into a url? |
| 21:27.42 | ericP | concatonation didn't work |
| 21:27.42 | liable | oh, fun udev |
| 21:27.57 | Galaxor | abrotman: Yeah, we'll have to come up with something when it comes time to digitize the vinyl. |
| 21:28.05 | creature | When I say "I don't know what that is" I mean "I don't know if that was there before or not". |
| 21:28.28 | liable | creature: whats the iface name you have in interfaces for that card? |
| 21:28.35 | creature | wlan0_rename. |
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| 21:28.44 | liable | right, thats udev fuckage |
| 21:28.49 | cale2 | ahhh |
| 21:28.51 | cale2 | hi guys^ |
| 21:28.59 | cale2 | u remember? its me cale7 |
| 21:29.07 | abrotman | Galaxor: well .. i believe there's an app that does cassette/vinyl via the input jack |
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| 21:29.25 | liable | creature: remove the module, remove your z25 udev rule, reload the module and edit your interfaces file |
| 21:29.36 | abrotman | Galaxor: might not work for all .. but IIRC it looks for gaps in sound and uses those to split the files |
| 21:29.37 | creature | My z25 rule? |
| 21:29.43 | liable | !z25 |
| 21:29.43 | dpkg | well, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 21:29.56 | hatter | Hi All, if someones got a moment, could you look at this page please ? http://kerneltrap.org/node/7060 it is about adding one so the module know about the via 8237a chipset, Do I add this line to the running kernels /lib/modules/2.6.8.../kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxx.c ? do i have to recompile something ? |
| 21:29.57 | h3sp4wn | creature: wifi0 is for if the card ever uses virtual interfaces |
| 21:30.03 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 21:30.08 | abrotman | Galaxor: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+encode+vinyl&btnG=Google+Search |
| 21:30.14 | liable | creature: just remove that file, not the persistent one |
| 21:30.18 | cale2 | can nobody remember at me? |
| 21:30.30 | liable | creature: not the persistent generator one |
| 21:30.56 | cale2 | liable, we had talk today |
| 21:31.09 | cale2 | u know? |
| 21:31.40 | liable | cale2: i talk to many people here, and am often drunk whilst doing so, so dont feel bad if i forget :) |
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| 21:32.12 | abrotman | you always remember the sheep's name |
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| 21:32.39 | Galaxor | abrotman: Ooh, excellent. I had only just begun to think about this stuff. mp3splt was the only thing I'd noticed so far. |
| 21:32.42 | Darkclaw55 | how does that show the files that are taking up the most space? |
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| 21:32.56 | creature | liable: I'm confused. |
| 21:33.31 | abrotman | Galaxor: the LJ article mentions gramofile .. which i've never heard of |
| 21:33.32 | liable | creature: where are you lost at? |
| 21:33.36 | embrik | I find it difficult to get wireless cards to work. Any sites with good howto's on laptops? |
| 21:33.45 | abrotman | !info gramofile etch |
| 21:33.45 | liable | !laptop |
| 21:33.45 | dpkg | well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 21:33.48 | dpkg | gramofile: (Transfer sound from gramophone records to CD), section sound, is extra. Version: 1.6-8 (etch), Packaged size: 105 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 21:33.53 | abrotman | that's just creepy :) |
| 21:33.53 | creature | liable: What file I'm meant to delete. |
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| 21:34.06 | Chiko_Medina | embrik: test a project ndiswrapper |
| 21:34.19 | Chiko_Medina | load drivers of win in Gnu/Linux :P |
| 21:34.19 | liable | creature: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 21:34.53 | cale2 | liable can u read my query? |
| 21:35.05 | abrotman | cale2: don't msg people without permission |
| 21:35.24 | liable | abrotman: not really, i have some cool old school techno on vinyl i would like to digitize |
| 21:35.26 | cale2 | ahhhh i cant querry without permission ? |
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| 21:35.38 | twobitsprite | what's the name of that command that tells you if an executable is statically linked or not? |
| 21:35.47 | liable | cale2: please dont /msg me, just ask in channel |
| 21:36.05 | abrotman | liable: well .. there you go! |
| 21:36.22 | cale2 | okay liable, i want to say u: thank u for ur help today, now my new os is deabian, ists running |
| 21:36.22 | abrotman | liable: i also have some vinyl .. but most of it I can get on CD |
| 21:37.04 | cale2 | but how i can install an application, the name is licq i only have an tar.gz file, but how i can install this |
| 21:37.12 | kubitz | Does anyone know what would make an mp3 CDR unreadable under Etch xfce? |
| 21:37.17 | twobitsprite | cale2: use apt |
| 21:37.21 | abrotman | !info licq etch |
| 21:37.23 | liable | abrotman: yeah, if i buy a shitload of dj sets on cd i can get the tracks i want, but they are mixed sometimes not how i want or contain a lot of music i dont like |
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| 21:37.24 | dpkg | licq: (ICQ client (base files)), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 629 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB |
| 21:37.37 | abrotman | liable: yay gramofile! |
| 21:37.37 | wad | How do I, from a command prompt, identify what distro I'm running? |
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| 21:37.51 | twobitsprite | wad: cat /etc/issue usually does the trick |
| 21:37.51 | kubitz | when I mount it it just shows recurring rrrrrrrrr... etc |
| 21:37.53 | abrotman | wad: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:37.53 | wad | I know I've got debian, but I just want to know how I would show someone this. |
| 21:37.55 | abrotman | !version |
| 21:37.56 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 21:37.58 | wad | Thbanks |
| 21:37.58 | liable | gramamophone! |
| 21:38.03 | cale2 | how i can install licq? |
| 21:38.09 | abrotman | cale2: aptitude install licq |
| 21:38.35 | creature | liable: Woo! That worked. |
| 21:38.44 | creature | Now, all I have to do is get it to happen automatically upon resume. |
| 21:38.45 | embrik | Thanks all - I know I'm going to get my wireless card working now :-) |
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| 21:39.01 | liable | creature: whats the iface called now? |
| 21:39.06 | creature | wlan0, liable. |
| 21:39.11 | cale2 | abrotman, done..but what now? |
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| 21:39.16 | lymeca | I am on a LAN at a college and I want to scan the whole network to find all machines with a hostname registered with the official DNS server |
| 21:39.21 | liable | and you edited your ifaces file to match? |
| 21:39.34 | abrotman | cale2: use it |
| 21:39.35 | lymeca | How can I do this and find the IP addresses of all these machines along with their names? |
| 21:39.41 | cale2 | how? |
| 21:39.44 | abrotman | !tell cale2 about grounding |
| 21:40.16 | cale2 | what? sry i dont understand what u say, i used 14 years a long windows, i only use linux since 4 hours |
| 21:40.25 | cale2 | im a damn newbie |
| 21:40.44 | Galaxor | gramofile. One thing I'd like is for the recording to stop when you hit the end of the record -- like, if it detects a certain amount of silence. |
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| 21:40.55 | devsforev | Good afternoon everyone. I have a strange problem. For some reason on my debian server, when I try to connect to hosts (via ftp or using wget, even pinging) outside of my network, it takes an unsually long time to start recieving replies from that host. Other machines on the same network do not have such problems. Any thoughts on where to start? |
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| 21:41.06 | abrotman | Galaxor: i've never used it .. not really sure how it works .. nor do i even still have a record player at my place |
| 21:41.11 | Galaxor | I'm always starting a record to import and then forgetting about it till it's been spinning for like 15 minutes after the end. |
| 21:41.15 | kubitz | You used win 3.1 - that's quite impressive cale2 :) |
| 21:41.20 | Galaxor | Yeah. I'll check it out. |
| 21:41.30 | \amethyst | devsforev: does it still happen when you use IP addresses instead of hostnames? |
| 21:41.33 | liable | Galaxor: but you rarely get silence at the end of records, just scratchy noises :) |
| 21:41.38 | creature | liable: I did. |
| 21:41.51 | liable | creature: so close the lid and see what gives |
| 21:41.53 | kubitz | I think MSW was on v3.11 14 years ago? |
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| 21:41.58 | Galaxor | liable: I mean, silence within certain threshhold. Probably the same threshhold you use to split tracks. |
| 21:42.06 | ningning | hello i am a lenny user, want to install the nvidia-kernel-source (100.14.19.1) , but that is only for sid. what should i do? |
| 21:42.10 | CcSsNET | hi |
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| 21:42.36 | devsforev | \amethyst: No, it does not happen when I use the ip address; I should have probably told you that this server was assigned a static IP address |
| 21:42.37 | cale2 | hm nobody here their speak german ?? |
| 21:42.37 | gary4gar | i am running lenny, want to install sun Java how to do it? |
| 21:42.49 | Galaxor | I'm gonna bust on over to #hal and ask about media insertion notifications. Thanks, though! |
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| 21:43.19 | ningning | gary4gar you can use synaptics and go to the non-free section |
| 21:43.23 | liable | !de |
| 21:43.23 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 21:43.38 | cale2 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh THX |
| 21:43.42 | gary4gar | ningning, can you tell the package name? |
| 21:43.58 | cale2 | but how i can go in this channel |
| 21:44.03 | creature | liable: Well, that's just awesome. Hopefully it'll move nicely between home and work. |
| 21:44.04 | \amethyst | devsforev: then there's a problem with your DNS setup... maybe the first nameserver is down and things are waiting for it to time out before moving to the second |
| 21:44.13 | liable | creature: /j #debian.de |
| 21:44.18 | liable | cale2: ^^ |
| 21:44.21 | cale2 | thx all, have a nice afeternon |
| 21:44.35 | devsforev | \amethyst: thank you very much; i will try to define a DNS server and see if that helps. |
| 21:44.37 | liable | creature: worked eh? |
| 21:44.41 | creature | liable: It did. |
| 21:44.48 | liable | noice |
| 21:45.04 | ningning | gary4gar: sun-java6-bin |
| 21:45.08 | creature | liable: It would be really great if it knew enough to try to connect to my desktop when at home (for synergy) and to my work desktop when at work. |
| 21:45.17 | gary4gar | ningning, thanks |
| 21:45.32 | creature | liable: Also, if I could get it to break and re-make an sshfs mount as necessary. |
| 21:45.43 | creature | But I think that's a project for another night and some RTFMing. |
| 21:45.59 | ningning | here i am lenny user wanting the kernel source 100.14.19, what to do? thanks in advance! |
| 21:46.07 | alex^^ | hi |
| 21:46.09 | liable | creature: you can run scripts in post-up commands in ifaces |
| 21:46.26 | alex^^ | whats a good text based torrent downloader on etch? |
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| 21:46.32 | creature | alex^^: rtorrent? |
| 21:46.34 | liable | creature: making smart enough scripts is the key though |
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| 21:46.36 | ningning | here is what i want> http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:46.49 | CcSsNET | ctorrent? |
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| 21:46.52 | ningning | but how to make it appear in my synaptics? thanks! |
| 21:47.06 | gary4gar | what should be my sources.list ? |
| 21:47.07 | creature | liable: Yeah. But I can probably handle that. |
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| 21:47.29 | devsforev | \amethyst: You got it; I just reconfigured my DNS servers to use OpenDNS and now it's working fine again. Thanks for your help! |
| 21:47.31 | creature | liable: Presumably there's a pre-down or something? |
| 21:47.33 | liable | get coding then ;) |
| 21:47.43 | liable | creature: man interfaces |
| 21:47.52 | nico1234 | anyone knows if there is a key in gconf-editor that defines what shortcut is used to switch between keyboard layouts? |
| 21:48.00 | liable | pre-up, post-up, pre-down, post-down :) |
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| 21:48.11 | gary4gar | LENNY users please share your sources.list |
| 21:48.20 | ningning | lenny user wanting sid package, what to do? thanks! |
| 21:48.20 | liable | why? |
| 21:48.36 | liable | gary4gar: whats so difficult about having a source list for lenny? |
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| 21:49.09 | liable | ningning: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. or wait |
| 21:49.18 | gary4gar | liable, its now working for me! |
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| 21:49.34 | liable | gary4gar: how is it now working? |
| 21:49.36 | smica | smica |
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| 21:49.50 | ningning | gary4gar: here you go: ftp.uni-koeln.de/non-free |
| 21:49.53 | gary4gar | liable, mirriors in my list are down |
| 21:50.15 | liable | gary4gar: so change the prefix to another country |
| 21:50.42 | gary4gar | ningning, its gives 500 error |
| 21:50.57 | gary4gar | liable, please share your source.list |
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| 21:51.06 | liable | !mirrors |
| 21:51.07 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 21:51.22 | yassine | anyone here running compiz? |
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| 21:51.26 | yassine | on etch |
| 21:51.33 | liable | gary4gar: i will not, as the most elementary of googling will give you the help you need |
| 21:51.35 | PhrkOnLsh | I just downloaded apache-2.2.6 source and ran congifure script |
| 21:51.51 | PhrkOnLsh | the output states that it couldnt create executables |
| 21:51.54 | ningning | liable: i tried on my machine: dpkg simple sid backport, but it did not work |
| 21:52.12 | abrotman | !b-e PhrkOnLsh |
| 21:52.12 | dpkg | PhrkOnLsh: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 21:52.12 | PhrkOnLsh | Checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executable |
| 21:52.24 | liable | PhrkOnLsh: i have no idea why the hell you are compiling it, but you need to install build-essential |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: apache2.2 is in etch |
| 21:52.58 | jeward | I have installed an etch server and am using it as a host for VNC sessions. I'm trying to use esound to pass sound to the XP client. I've installed esound, and am running esd.exe on the client machine with the firewall disabled for testing. I've exported ESPEAKER with the IP address and port of the XP client. Is there more I need to do to get remote sound working? |
| 21:53.23 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: Mine is already all screwy for some reason... |
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| 21:53.36 | jeward | jeward@dao:~$ echo $ESPEAKER |
| 21:53.36 | jeward | 10.0.68.1:16001 |
| 21:53.40 | h3sp4wn | I can think of plenty of reasons to compile apache from source |
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| 21:53.49 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: i doubt compiling will help |
| 21:53.56 | PhrkOnLsh | I think I was a dpshit and installed 2.0.61 over it or sth |
| 21:54.00 | PhrkOnLsh | I unisntalled both |
| 21:55.14 | jeward | Is this the wrong place to ask about remote sound from etch? |
| 21:55.34 | PhrkOnLsh | ok that (buld-essential) works better |
| 21:55.52 | abrotman | jeward: no .. but be patient |
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| 21:56.11 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, thanks. :) |
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| 22:00.01 | SM7X | howdy there |
| 22:00.45 | SM7X | i am trying to get the sourcecode of several programs (ps,top,netstat,ls,dir) but i am not able to find em that easy in google |
| 22:00.57 | SM7X | is there a way to retrieve the source of em via apt-get? |
| 22:01.05 | RichiH | SM7X: apt-source |
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| 22:01.31 | RichiH | SM7X: all debian packages in main have the full source code available via apt-source |
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| 22:01.52 | SM7X | RichiH: fine... so that tools are the same sourcecode on nearly all linux-systems arent they? |
| 22:02.54 | SM7X | RichiH: hmm theres no apt-source on my frech installed debian etch? O_o |
| 22:02.59 | SM7X | also not via apt-cache search |
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| 22:03.14 | jeward | elive uses French repos... |
| 22:04.31 | RichiH | SM7X: apt-get source, sorry |
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| 22:06.32 | SM7X | ahh ok thx RichiH :) |
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| 22:08.06 | xXCarpXx | how to delete a symlink? |
| 22:08.15 | SM7X | rm -f symlinkname |
| 22:08.18 | xXCarpXx | thx |
| 22:08.26 | xXCarpXx | -f == force? |
| 22:08.36 | SM7X | RichiH: another n00b-question.. is there a way to find out in which paket for instance ls is? |
| 22:08.39 | SM7X | xXCarpXx: yep |
| 22:08.43 | xXCarpXx | thx SM7X |
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| 22:09.12 | RichiH | SM7X: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search ls | grep bin |
| 22:09.26 | ma3x | does anybody know how to make skype use alsa? |
| 22:09.33 | ma3x | instead of directly griping /dev/dsp |
| 22:09.42 | RichiH | i suspect file-utils, base-files, gnu-utils or some such |
| 22:09.59 | SM7X | ok RichiH thx for you help ill try so |
| 22:10.16 | RichiH | xXCarpXx: you do not need to rm -f a symlink, rm suffices |
| 22:10.22 | RichiH | SM7X: no problem |
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| 22:11.03 | RichiH | SM7X, xXCarpXx: it is not good to use rm -f without really needing to |
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| 22:11.16 | RichiH | unsafe habbit, that |
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| 22:11.40 | SM7X | RichiH: y not? |
| 22:11.57 | CcSsNET | makes accidents possible |
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| 22:12.01 | dondelelcaro | well, not really |
| 22:12.31 | dondelelcaro | about the only thing that -f gets over is removing files that don't exist or files which you don't have write access to but you have write access to the directory |
| 22:13.03 | xand | unless you have -i enabled by default? |
| 22:13.06 | dondelelcaro | the former isn't too dangerous, and the latter isn't all that common |
| 22:13.07 | xXCarpXx | HAHAHA im a fucking noob |
| 22:13.15 | xXCarpXx | just delted an important file^^ |
| 22:13.20 | xXCarpXx | first i had a backup |
| 22:13.31 | xXCarpXx | but the second time not^^ lol ... |
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| 22:13.54 | dondelelcaro | xand: oh, sure; but this is #debian, and -i isn't the default |
| 22:14.04 | RichiH | SM7X: because it is generally not a good idea to get into the habit of forcing stuff by default |
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| 22:14.31 | xXCarpXx | i just experienced it RichiH^^ |
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| 22:14.48 | dondelelcaro | 'course, if you really have a problem using rm properly, then preload libtrash |
| 22:14.56 | xand | dondelelcaro: it's helpfully in .bashrc but commented out |
| 22:15.02 | RichiH | xXCarpXx: it would most likely have deleted the file without -f as well. my comment is more of a general 'do not force stuff unless you need to' nature |
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| 22:15.11 | xXCarpXx | y |
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| 22:15.28 | xXCarpXx | and can someone tell me how to delete the symlink? |
| 22:15.29 | ma3x | does anybody know how to make skype use alsa? |
| 22:15.31 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: don't tell me there is a trashbin lib for rm |
| 22:15.37 | impulze | abchirk: hi :P |
| 22:15.39 | xXCarpXx | i just created a symlink the following way |
| 22:15.48 | xXCarpXx | ln -s /usr/local/sbin/pure-pw ./pure-pw |
| 22:15.55 | impulze | rm pure-pw |
| 22:16.00 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: it's actually for unlink |
| 22:16.02 | cybercrypt | unlink |
| 22:16.07 | xXCarpXx | but, i dont know why ..., when i type pure-pw it gives an error |
| 22:16.08 | RichiH | krass |
| 22:16.13 | dondelelcaro | !+info libtrash |
| 22:16.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:16.15 | xXCarpXx | german RichiH? |
| 22:16.19 | dpkg | libtrash: (A trash can library to use with LD_PRELOAD), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
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| 22:16.29 | RichiH | xXCarpXx: aye |
| 22:16.45 | jeward | Anybody know how to get esound working under etch? |
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| 22:18.06 | streuner | !esd |
| 22:18.06 | dpkg | methinks esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 22:18.30 | jeward | streuner: I know what it does, it's just not working for me. |
| 22:18.45 | jeward | streuner: Do you know how to use it? |
| 22:18.57 | nepbabu | what's the best way to make sure that the size of a new gnome-terminal window when opened stays the same size? |
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| 22:19.34 | nepbabu | been bugged every time resizing the window :S |
| 22:19.37 | streuner | jeward: How about to just use ALSA? |
| 22:19.55 | jeward | streuner: Can it send sound to a remote VNC client? |
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| 22:20.17 | xXCarpXx | how can i create a link, e.g. when i type "pure-pw" it shall execute /usr/local/sbin/pure-pw |
| 22:20.27 | jeward | streuner: Maybe that's my problem? I need to be using esound instead of ALSA? |
| 22:20.43 | nepbabu | say i want 97x30 pixel placed exactly at 30H,30V everytime? |
| 22:20.55 | nepbabu | anyway to achieve this? |
| 22:21.29 | beardy | Has anyone used the "mirror" action in their firehol config? When I try using it, I get an error, which I think is caused by "NEW\,ESTABLISHED", that backslash escape there. |
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| 22:22.59 | nepbabu | got it. |
| 22:23.01 | nepbabu | thanks |
| 22:23.03 | nepbabu | :) |
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| 22:23.06 | nepbabu | --geometry |
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| 22:23.34 | nepbabu | streuner, how r you man? |
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| 22:25.19 | streuner | shocked, i never knew that i maybe need ESD in order to send sound ;-) |
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| 22:25.56 | ptlis | I've installed the php5 imagick module, however when trying to use it I get the following error message: Fatal error: Class 'Imagick' not found in <directory> on line 7. A copy of the phpinfo output can be viewed here: http://ptlis.net/temp/phpinfo.htm |
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| 22:26.13 | nepbabu | what do you mean "send sound" streuner? |
| 22:26.20 | nepbabu | streuner, over wire? |
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| 22:26.41 | nepbabu | streuner, why couldn't you do it using some streamer? |
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| 22:26.54 | streuner | <jeward> streuner: Can it send sound to a remote VNC client? |
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| 22:27.07 | jeward | nepbabu: I am servering VNC from an etch box to an XP client. I would like to have sounds for e-mail alerts, appointments, etc, from the etch box play on the XP client. |
| 22:27.08 | nepbabu | ahh sorry my backlogs already gone |
| 22:27.11 | nepbabu | :) |
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| 22:27.38 | nepbabu | jeward, oh cool. i haven't played with vnc dude. sorry |
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| 22:27.40 | jeward | streuner: Esound is supposed to be able to send sound to a remote client, yes. |
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| 22:28.25 | nepbabu | jeward, i presume so beacuse it can launch a server from where your client can pull the sounds? |
| 22:28.45 | jeward | nepbabu: Yes, I think the server part is what I'm missing. |
| 22:28.55 | krazykit | is nvidia-kernel-source not available in lenny? |
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| 22:29.03 | helo | wtf is this: "This address uses a network port which is normally used for purposes other than Web browsing. Iceweasel has canceled the request for your protection." |
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| 22:29.19 | jeward | nepbabu: The HOWTO I read only has you set an environment variable. I think it may be assuming something that's not true on my etch server. |
| 22:29.28 | beardy | helo: Well, is there a port in the url? |
| 22:29.31 | helo | ... and how do i disable it |
| 22:29.33 | nepbabu | jeward, where's the howto? |
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| 22:29.38 | Edulix | hi |
| 22:29.39 | helo | i'm trying to access my cups config stuff on :531 |
| 22:29.42 | beardy | helo: Hopefully in its options. |
| 22:29.44 | jeward | nepbabu: Let me find it again, one sec. |
| 22:29.48 | helo | i cn't find it anywhere |
| 22:29.49 | streuner | helo: 631 |
| 22:29.58 | helo | oh, htat's right :) |
| 22:30.02 | streuner | helo: localhost:631 |
| 22:30.04 | beardy | helo: something -> Advanced -> Security most likely. |
| 22:30.22 | helo | nope, but it's moot now |
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| 22:30.44 | lymeca | How can I create a custom Debian installation DVD with the packages I choose to be installed? |
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| 22:31.04 | Edulix | Even when there's a small change in a package (for example a bug-fix or a security fix), apt downloads the whole package again. is there anything planned to do this incrementally & more efficiently with "binary patches"? |
| 22:31.13 | krazykit | i have non-free in my sources.list, have updated apt, but cannot find nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:31.23 | liable | lenny? |
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| 22:31.39 | krazykit | yes, lenny |
| 22:31.56 | liable | it hasnt been there for ages now |
| 22:32.06 | liable | wonder when they'll put it back |
| 22:32.09 | streuner | Edulix: this isnt gentoo ;-) |
| 22:32.20 | stew | Edulix: it has been proposed many times over many years. you shoud be able to find lots of postings on either of http://lists.debian.org/debian-{devel,project} |
| 22:32.22 | Edulix | streuner: so what? :P |
| 22:32.34 | azeem | Edulix: not at the moment |
| 22:32.36 | torgrimt | Edulix: 10-100k packages ? what is the point ;) bw is free these days |
| 22:32.39 | krazykit | wonderful. i can't install it from unstable because as far as i can tell, it depends on versions of X that aren't in lenny right now. |
| 22:32.56 | azeem | torgrimt: mirror bandwidth isn't that much, though |
| 22:33.01 | streuner | bandwidth grows and grows, i dont think its that important to save bandwidth |
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| 22:33.14 | liable | krazykit: such is life running testing |
| 22:33.42 | stew | i should probably checkout debotorrent and see if i could contribute some bandwidth to it |
| 22:33.44 | azeem | security.d.o is known to get hogged when openoffice.org or (back in the days) monolithic X uploads are coming in |
| 22:33.57 | Edulix | streuner: it wouldn't cost much to implement this, I belive, and it would make updates faster and also as it has been mentioned, it would be avery good thing for servers |
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| 22:34.03 | liable | absolutely |
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| 22:34.29 | azeem | Edulix: if you have specific plans, try them out on a copy of the Debian archive |
| 22:34.30 | liable | binary patches eh? |
| 22:34.42 | azeem | Edulix: and then report to debian-devel with your plans |
| 22:34.55 | Edulix | well, I don't have specific plans, I was just curious :P |
| 22:35.02 | azeem | then see above |
| 22:35.10 | stew | Edulix: but search through the archives on debian-devel and debian-project to see past proposals, i know there have been some |
| 22:35.31 | Edulix | ok =) |
| 22:35.33 | stew | i'd imagine that ftp-masters would probably resist such a change |
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| 22:35.58 | azeem | depends on how it's proposed and tested |
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| 22:38.35 | creature | How can I remap my Caps Lock key so it's a Ctrl key? |
| 22:38.44 | azeem | in X? |
| 22:38.53 | azeem | creature: which desktop environment? |
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| 22:39.07 | stew | creature: do you want it systemwide or for just one user? |
| 22:39.11 | dondelelcaro | creature: using xmodmap |
| 22:39.44 | creature | azeem: I don't do desktopwide. |
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| 22:39.48 | creature | stew: Systemwide. |
| 22:39.49 | dondelelcaro | creature: you can see an example here: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession_volo |
| 22:39.50 | creature | Erm. |
| 22:39.59 | creature | azeem: I don't use a DE. I'm using Fluxbox as a windowmanager. |
| 22:40.21 | azeem | remove Lock = Caps_Lock |
| 22:40.21 | azeem | add Control = Caps_Lock |
| 22:40.22 | stew | creature: add this to your InputDevice section for your keyboard: Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" |
| 22:40.26 | azeem | add that to ~/.xmodmap |
| 22:40.34 | stew | creature: (in xorg.conf) |
| 22:40.35 | azeem | or that what stew said I guess |
| 22:40.48 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I wouldn't use the XkbOptions; not terribly flexible |
| 22:41.01 | azeem | oh, I didn't see the systemwide |
| 22:41.02 | creature | stew: Ah, no! I don't want to swap them. |
| 22:41.09 | creature | I want them both to be Ctrl. |
| 22:41.12 | stew | creature: then use ctrl:nocaps, or do what azeems says |
| 22:41.13 | creature | I have no use for caps lock. |
| 22:41.30 | dondelelcaro | (and if you really want them systemwide, you can do it in /etc/X11) |
| 22:41.49 | azeem | ah |
| 22:41.50 | creature | azeem: That'd work, as I'm the only user. Thanks. |
| 22:42.03 | azeem | creature: why do you prefer system wide then? |
| 22:42.06 | azeem | that makes no sense |
| 22:42.10 | stew | azeem: do you swap capslock and control? |
| 22:42.17 | azeem | no |
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| 22:42.24 | creature | azeem: Well, if it did it on the console as well, that would be delicious. |
| 22:42.25 | azeem | ssdflkj |
| 22:42.27 | azeem | eh. |
| 22:42.27 | creature | And when I'm root, too. |
| 22:42.39 | azeem | creature: it's system-X-wide |
| 22:42.39 | stew | creature: you are hopefully not using X as root |
| 22:42.54 | creature | stew: Not as a habit, no. Can't remember the last time I did. |
| 22:43.10 | creature | Hence, why I mentioned it for root. When I login on the console as root, I'd like it to be set there too. |
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| 22:43.19 | creature | Which I don't do often as I know it's a security arse and blah blah blah. |
| 22:43.44 | azeem | I don't know how to set it on the console |
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| 22:44.50 | creature | Ah, it'll be fine just in X. |
| 22:44.58 | creature | How do I source my new .xmodmap? |
| 22:45.03 | stew | creature: loadkeys emacs2 |
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| 22:45.13 | nepbabu | azeem, stew g'day |
| 22:45.22 | azeem | nepbabu: eh? |
| 22:45.30 | nepbabu | azeem, g'day |
| 22:45.34 | nepbabu | :) |
| 22:45.38 | azeem | nepbabu: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:45.39 | stew | if you find that keymap works for you in console you can set it permanantly by replacing /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz with the one that loads |
| 22:45.44 | nepbabu | azeem, yes |
| 22:46.02 | stew | creature: i just happened to find emacs2 which does have capslock as control, there might be others |
| 22:46.26 | creature | stew: OK, I'll give that a shot, thanks. |
| 22:46.35 | creature | How do I source my new .xmodmap without restarting X? |
| 22:46.48 | liable | creature: xmodmap <path to .xmodmap> |
| 22:47.28 | creature | liable: Awesome, thanks. |
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| 22:47.57 | nepbabu | azeem, how do i place gnome-terminal in specific place? "--geometry=97x30" does the job but i want it to be placed in 30,30 everytime? how? |
| 22:48.30 | azeem | nepbabu: why do you ask mße? |
| 22:48.31 | azeem | me* |
| 22:48.41 | nepbabu | how do i place gnome-terminal in specific place? "--geometry=97x30" does the job but i want it to be placed in 30,30 everytime? how? |
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| 22:49.06 | streuner | it works fine in aterm for example |
| 22:49.15 | azeem | save your Gnome session, the location of the gnome-terminals should be saved then as well |
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| 22:50.00 | nepbabu | not across different gnome session. Say I close, re-open. then. |
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| 22:50.13 | xXCarpXx | how can i run pure-ftpd without blocking my shell? |
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| 22:50.36 | xXCarpXx | i had to recompile it by myself so i have no prewritten init-script |
| 22:50.37 | nepbabu | in general is there a way to place arbitrary window in specific location? |
| 22:50.41 | Chiko_Medina | xXCarpXx ... use the init |
| 22:50.59 | Chiko_Medina | xXCarpXx /etc/init.d/pure-ftp start|restart|stop |
| 22:51.06 | azeem | nepbabu: devilspie might do what you want |
| 22:51.16 | xXCarpXx | i havent got such an initscript |
| 22:51.18 | nepbabu | azeem, i'll give that a try. thanks |
| 22:51.29 | xXCarpXx | thats the problem |
| 22:51.29 | xXCarpXx | Oo |
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| 22:53.47 | xXCarpXx | maybe i can rip the script from the deb pacakge |
| 22:54.18 | azeem | xXCarpXx: are you talking about starting it in the background or what? |
| 22:54.40 | xXCarpXx | yes |
| 22:54.52 | xXCarpXx | when i type in pure-ftp with params its blocking the shell |
| 22:54.53 | azeem | did you try appending & ? |
| 22:55.00 | impulze | how would i reinstall only configuration files? |
| 22:55.07 | azeem | !confmiss |
| 22:55.07 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 22:55.09 | impulze | i can't purge since that'd stop the process which it's not supposed to |
| 22:55.28 | azeem | impulze: what is your real problem? |
| 22:55.30 | xXCarpXx | append a & after the the whole command? |
| 22:55.40 | azeem | xXCarpXx: yes |
| 22:55.46 | xXCarpXx | i try |
| 22:55.47 | beered | how hard it to intergrate/connect two LDAP's? |
| 22:56.23 | xXCarpXx | nice azeem worked well |
| 22:56.57 | impulze | azeem: exactly what i needed, thanks a bunch |
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| 22:59.10 | interbird | beered: like master slave ? |
| 22:59.19 | beered | interbird: yep |
| 22:59.34 | interbird | beered: what ldap-server are you using ? |
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| 22:59.53 | jeffwheeler | Debian desperately needs to get organized and hypey like Ubuntu -- it never gets that sort of attention. |
| 22:59.58 | jeffwheeler | (Or, once every two years...) |
| 23:00.03 | dondelelcaro | jeffwheeler: why? |
| 23:00.05 | beered | interbird: I have Mac's open directory LDAP, and one freeradius server. |
| 23:00.21 | yassine | evening, anyone here using compiz and had the no title bar visible ? |
| 23:00.23 | jeffwheeler | dondelelcaro: so that it gets more users |
| 23:00.27 | liable | jeffwheeler: debian does just fine doing what it does |
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| 23:00.35 | dondelelcaro | jeffwheeler: why should that matter? |
| 23:00.39 | fengor | i prefer reliable |
| 23:00.47 | jeffwheeler | Fair enough; point taken. |
| 23:01.24 | karsten | Any known issues w/ IceWeasel stability on Sid ATM? |
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| 23:01.41 | dondelelcaro | karsten: besides the usual firefox allocates insane amounts of memory, no |
| 23:02.07 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Otherwise unused sessions, on mouseover or window-click the session bombs out. |
| 23:02.15 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I updated yesterday, am seeing this now. |
| 23:02.18 | wols | jeffwheeler: with things like debian the usualy marketforces don't apply |
| 23:02.29 | interbird | beered: but, what is your (master) ldap-server right now ? |
| 23:02.36 | wols | the only requirements for debian are: enough DDs/maintainers and enough serverspace. that's it |
| 23:02.51 | dondelelcaro | karsten: using 2.0.0.7-2, and I haven't seen that |
| 23:03.33 | streuner | wols: some people have about 50 |
| 23:03.38 | streuner | developer |
| 23:04.11 | karsten | 2.0.0.6-1 |
| 23:04.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I set a default ALSA volume? |
| 23:04.20 | streuner | use aumix |
| 23:04.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Whenever I boot I have to manually change the volumes in alsamixer |
| 23:04.26 | dondelelcaro | !+info iceweasel |
| 23:04.28 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7912 kB, Installed size: 24384 kB |
| 23:04.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: how? |
| 23:04.33 | xXCarpXx | [00:54:50] <azeem> did you try appending & ? <- whats happening when i append the & |
| 23:04.37 | xXCarpXx | how is this called? |
| 23:04.38 | nepbabu | azeem, cool. thanks man :) just made s-expressions for xmms and gnome-terminal. awesome! |
| 23:04.39 | nepbabu | :) |
| 23:04.53 | wols | streuner: huh? |
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| 23:04.59 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-get install aumix , it pretty selfexplaining |
| 23:05.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: I already know that part... |
| 23:05.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: I mean, how do I make it set volumes at boot? |
| 23:06.04 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: alsactl store |
| 23:06.11 | streuner | ok, just run it and see yourself - (Save) ;-) |
| 23:06.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Already tried it, h3sp4wn |
| 23:06.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Doesn't seem to work |
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| 23:08.24 | dondelelcaro | if you're using alsa, it's just /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop |
| 23:09.00 | dondelelcaro | assuming you're properly shutting your machine down, that should always be called |
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| 23:09.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, yeah, I am |
| 23:09.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | dondelelcaro: But I compiled my own ALSA since I needed the latest version for my card to work |
| 23:09.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | dondelelcaro: Could that have some effect on it? |
| 23:09.45 | dondelelcaro | who knows? |
| 23:10.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Also, I have an apt problem |
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| 23:10.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/40101 |
| 23:11.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't seem to do anything about that package |
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| 23:15.54 | sivik | !aclocal |
| 23:16.03 | streuner | DarkCow: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 23:16.14 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 23:16.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | ii libc6 2.6.1-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:17.04 | streuner | uh |
| 23:17.10 | sivik | bloody hell, i wish a bot was left in one of the channels i go to, i need aclocal and i can't figure out how to install it |
| 23:18.08 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: well, is that service running or not when you try to remove the package? |
| 23:18.35 | sivik | how do i install alocal |
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| 23:18.38 | sivik | aclocal* |
| 23:18.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: I rarely use it, so probably not |
| 23:19.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Shadowfax:/home/darkapostrophe# /etc/init.d/thttpd stop |
| 23:19.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Stopping web server: |
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| 23:19.29 | streuner | hm, just try to start it and re-run the command |
| 23:19.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: And I'm trying to upgrade it |
| 23:19.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | :o |
| 23:19.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | It works! |
| 23:19.56 | creature | Is there a command in X that I can run that will change to a virtual console, or an X server running on Alt+Ctrl+F8? |
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| 23:21.06 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 23:21.07 | dpkg | somebody said unix lessons was (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 23:21.17 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: #9 |
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| 23:21.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: :D |
| 23:21.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Lry |
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| 23:22.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Let's see how many of those rules I break daily: 2, 4, 5 and 10 |
| 23:22.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, and 11 |
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| 23:23.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's not like this desktop - nor my laptop - are high importance systems that need 100% stability and uptime |
| 23:23.32 | creature | Because it's all automatically backed up for me! |
| 23:23.39 | creature | I am insufferably smug about this. |
| 23:23.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | creature: RAID? |
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| 23:24.30 | creature | Dark_Apostrophe: External HD, LUKS, and a cron job. |
| 23:24.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | LUKS rocks. |
| 23:24.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I use it on my laptop |
| 23:24.59 | creature | http://www.alexpounds.com/writings/articles/backups.php is how I did it. |
| 23:25.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | I have two external hard drives totalling 750GB |
| 23:25.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | I use them to store my P2P stuff |
| 23:25.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | the 250GB drive is already completely full of movies, music, TV etc |
| 23:25.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | The 500GB drive has very little in it |
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| 23:26.45 | monkeyBox | Any iPhone users here? How hard is it to get to work w/ linux? (at least to transfer music & videos) |
| 23:27.42 | _stokes | monkeyBox, do you have an iphone and linux? |
| 23:28.01 | _stokes | monkeyBox, better yet have you tried it to see if it picks it up via bluetooth |
| 23:28.05 | _stokes | assuming it has bluetooth |
| 23:28.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | monkeyBox: Nope, I don't join any iHype. |
| 23:28.24 | monkeyBox | _stokes: no, I'm thinking about getting one... |
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| 23:28.59 | monkeyBox | Dark_Apostrophe: I had the same attitude at first, but the iphone _is_ nice |
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| 23:29.14 | monkeyBox | plus they |
| 23:29.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | monkeyBox: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/015354.html |
| 23:29.24 | _stokes | if its got bluetooth then it will work |
| 23:29.44 | monkeyBox | _stokes: not sure about transferring GB's of files over bluetooth :-p |
| 23:29.50 | _stokes | true |
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| 23:30.20 | _stokes | its got usb support |
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| 23:30.24 | _stokes | and wifi g |
| 23:30.42 | _stokes | http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html |
| 23:31.12 | cchance | whatis the ineternet called for debian linx? |
| 23:31.19 | _stokes | though for some reason i think i remember someone saying it forces you to use itunes only |
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| 23:31.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | cchance: The Internet? |
| 23:31.34 | cchance | the browse |
| 23:31.36 | cchance | browser |
| 23:31.38 | valdyn | Teh Intarweb |
| 23:31.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Iceweasel? |
| 23:31.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Konqueror? |
| 23:31.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Mozilla? |
| 23:31.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Lynx? |
| 23:31.50 | cchance | not graphic |
| 23:31.51 | _stokes | Epiphany |
| 23:31.52 | cchance | lynx |
| 23:31.54 | cchance | thats it |
| 23:31.57 | _stokes | links |
| 23:32.20 | darkskiez | cchance: quality question my friend. |
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| 23:34.27 | tra3 | hey guys, are there off the shelf software suspend solutions available? |
| 23:35.17 | darkskiez | tra3: apt-get install uswsusp |
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| 23:36.28 | tra3 | darkskiez: is that the software suspend to disk or ACPI/APM (?) one? |
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| 23:36.41 | darkskiez | tra3: software suspend to disk |
| 23:36.47 | darkskiez | tra3: should work on any h/w |
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| 23:37.01 | tra3 | really. |
| 23:37.01 | metres | Hi all I have an access to a debian webserver. I am able to send an email via the console using exim -bh but the php mail function does not work even if phpinfo tell me that he is using /usr/sbin/sendmail which is an symbolic link to exim4... any idea ? |
| 23:37.08 | tra3 | i'll give it a go, thanks darkskiez |
| 23:37.18 | darkskiez | tra3: your milage may vary :) |
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| 23:38.07 | tra3 | last time i tried it, something was broken |
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| 23:38.22 | tra3 | couple of years ago, i got swsusp2 to work.. but that was painful. |
| 23:38.28 | _stokes | metres, ls -l `which exim4` |
| 23:38.31 | maxamillion | if i install testing from a net install disk, is there any way to install kde during the install or will i have to wait until i reboot into the base system to install it? |
| 23:38.48 | yiga1 | I just bought a amd Turion X2 64b lap. and was wondering if anyone had a suggestion on whether I should try the amd64 port or stick with 32 + amd64 kernel? |
| 23:38.53 | darkskiez | tra3: i finally got sleep working on my desktop, and then i got a new hdd, and the sata controller wouldnt resume :) |
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| 23:39.04 | cchance | ive seen many opensource hosting panels what would yall consider the "best" |
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| 23:39.08 | maxamillion | yiga1: you can't run 32-bit code on a 64-bit kernel |
| 23:39.21 | darkskiez | maxamillion: i do |
| 23:39.24 | maxamillion | yiga1: well ... you can, but not the way you worded it |
| 23:39.27 | tra3 | darkskiez: lovely.. so this is the hardware based solution, not the one that just dump the memory image to the drive? |
| 23:39.28 | semprix | hello guys im trying to do apt-get upgrade im having this error http://pastebin.com/m4eabb746 |
| 23:39.39 | semprix | ive also tried apt-get -f upgrade |
| 23:39.41 | semprix | any ideas? |
| 23:39.49 | darkskiez | tra3: that is the dump image to swap, restore it one. |
| 23:39.54 | maxamillion | darkskiez: uhmmm.... you have a 64-bit kernel but your apt repositories point to i386 packages? |
| 23:39.59 | darkskiez | maxamillion: yes |
| 23:40.07 | tra3 | darkskiez: confusing!.. ok well i'll give it a go and see what happens. |
| 23:40.09 | _stokes | failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-azt3328.ko': No space left on device |
| 23:40.10 | maxamillion | darkskiez: forgive me if i don't believe you |
| 23:40.13 | gpm | semprix: you have no room on your harddrive... |
| 23:40.15 | darkskiez | maxamillion: you on sid? |
| 23:40.16 | _stokes | semprix, ^ |
| 23:40.29 | maxamillion | darkskiez: no, stable on the desktop and testing on the laptop |
| 23:40.37 | yiga1 | maxamillion: I realize, which is why I was comfortable in the purchase, however I wasn't sure of what people were comfortable using 64b http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/ or 32 ? |
| 23:40.38 | darkskiez | maxamillion: linux-image-2.6-amd64 is on sid/i386 |
| 23:40.40 | gpm | semprix: clear up some space...somehow |
| 23:40.54 | semprix | any ideas? |
| 23:40.57 | cchance | zpanel,VHCP,EHCP ? |
| 23:41.01 | darkskiez | maxamillion: i have a built a few 64bit apps, but i'm mostly in 32bit mode. |
| 23:41.02 | gpm | clear up some space |
| 23:41.03 | gpm | try again |
| 23:41.05 | yiga1 | darkskiez: I am comfortable and intend to use sid |
| 23:41.05 | gpm | i just told you |
| 23:41.19 | _stokes | semprix, reading rainbow? |
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| 23:41.32 | metres | _stokes : -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 688128 2007-01-20 04:46 /usr/sbin/exim4 |
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| 23:41.43 | yiga1 | darkskiez: so do you use a 64b repos. when you can but supplement with a 32b chroot? |
| 23:41.53 | maxamillion | darkskiez: sorry, i just don't see how 32-bit code can access 64-bit memory locations |
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| 23:42.01 | semprix | gpm: _stokes: here is the result on my df -H |
| 23:42.01 | semprix | http://pastebin.com/m5261e029 |
| 23:42.08 | darkskiez | maxamillion: it works for me :) |
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| 23:42.22 | _stokes | /dev/sda1 271M 221M 36M 86% / |
| 23:42.24 | gpm | semprix: yeah, the kernel is bigger than 36MB |
| 23:42.28 | _stokes | no more room for kernel |
| 23:42.34 | yiga1 | maxamillion and darkskiez: so the 64b repos. ? |
| 23:42.37 | darkskiez | maxamillion: there is 32bit ioctl wrappers and stuff |
| 23:42.38 | maxamillion | darkskiez: now its possible that they named the -k7 kernel amd64 and took advantage of some of the processors features ... but i am almost positive that it can't be done that way |
| 23:42.40 | _stokes | yea what he said i type slower : ( |
| 23:42.50 | darkskiez | maxamillion: well, reassess that :) |
| 23:42.50 | gpm | typera |
| 23:42.53 | gpm | :P |
| 23:42.56 | _stokes | : ) |
| 23:43.07 | semprix | it does have some space for it |
| 23:43.11 | gpm | not enough |
| 23:43.13 | yiga1 | maxamillion & darkskiez: so no advice for me |
| 23:43.15 | yiga1 | cool |
| 23:43.15 | maxamillion | darkskiez: right, but you still have to install a 64-bit base and install lib-ia32 and do alot of hacking to make it work ... and even then i can't see it being stable |
| 23:43.16 | darkskiez | maxamillion: definately 64bit kernel, 32bit os, a cpl of 64 bit apps |
| 23:43.20 | gpm | like i said, the kernel is bigger than 36MB |
| 23:43.25 | gpm | so you still need to clear up even more space |
| 23:43.39 | _stokes | semprix, you got 36M available and boot is sitting on / so you need to free up space for th enew kernel |
| 23:43.41 | gpm | delete some BIG files and try again. your root partition should be bigger than that anyway |
| 23:43.53 | gpm | 271MB is a little small |
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| 23:44.03 | _stokes | semprix, i like to keep my porn on a separate drive usually |
| 23:44.03 | maxamillion | yiga1: if you don't need or care about flash, then run 64-bit ... but otherwise stick with 32-bit ... i have an amd64 but the 32-bit release actually runs faster on it and with a smaller memory footprint |
| 23:44.11 | _stokes | leave the rest for OS related stuff |
| 23:44.18 | gpm | mine is six gigs and i have /home on a seperate partition |
| 23:44.32 | darkskiez | yiga1: i kinda got bored dealing with the 64bit issues, unless u reallllyneed 64bit, use the 32bit |
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| 23:44.55 | darkskiez | yiga1: if you reallllly need the 64bit for some small app, use the 64bit kernel on sid, with the 32bit base, and compile your appropriate 64bit app. |
| 23:45.00 | yiga1 | maxamillion: I primarily intend to do calculations but every once in a while I want to watch something with flash |
| 23:45.16 | _stokes | yiga1, gnash is 64bit |
| 23:45.19 | valdyn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 23:45.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 23:45.26 | _stokes | or that |
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| 23:46.01 | darkskiez | yiga1: i build stuff gcc -m64 and it works. if you are wanting 64bit apps in X, thats a bit trickier. sid doesnt 64bit X libs yet |
| 23:46.26 | semprix | _stokes: yeah porn you be on a separate drive |
| 23:46.30 | maxamillion | yiga1: then install 32-bit ... in all honesty the advantages of 64-bit really aren't all that much unless you truly need the precision .... the real reason it was developed is because 32-bit can only index 4gb of ram without massive hacking and the average server needs more than that to handle the heavy loads these days |
| 23:46.32 | _stokes | semprix, hahah |
| 23:46.47 | gpm | i need way more than 271 MB for pr0n |
| 23:46.51 | _stokes | semprix, but seriously your root partition is to small |
| 23:46.53 | gpm | and you can quote me on that |
| 23:47.05 | _stokes | gpm, phr33 ftp? |
| 23:47.10 | yiga1 | maxamillion: yes, which is funny because most 64b laptops can only support 4gb anyways |
| 23:47.16 | gpm | _stokes: huh? |
| 23:47.25 | _stokes | gpm, nm : ) was a joke |
| 23:47.52 | gpm | man compiz is sexy |
| 23:48.04 | yiga1 | maxamillion darkskiez: I was hoping to get an advantage with number crunching using 64b so I will have to consider what you have said. |
| 23:48.04 | darkskiez | gpm: if it didnt crash my nvidia driver :) |
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| 23:48.06 | _stokes | fvwm is also sexy : ) but doesn't support compiz |
| 23:48.06 | maxamillion | yiga1: yeah ... i think that's a motherboard manufacturer issue though :/ |
| 23:48.12 | gpm | darkskiez: works for me... |
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| 23:48.32 | maxamillion | yiga1: you would always run 64-bit and just chroot 32-bit for flash |
| 23:48.33 | darkskiez | gpm: i think its running it at 1920x1200 thats causing the issue |
| 23:48.33 | Edwin_Quijada | where i can find the source.list with etch repositori |
| 23:48.38 | semprix | _stokes: yeah clearing everything now. Cleaning up the 2.6.18 files which are the old ones |
| 23:48.45 | gpm | darkskiez: heh, i need a bigger monitor |
| 23:48.55 | _stokes | semprix, cool thats what i usually do, keep one revision back when upgrading |
| 23:48.57 | yiga1 | maxamillion: I was leaning that way before this discussion, but wanted to see if it worked out ok |
| 23:49.06 | darkskiez | maxamillion: see nspluginwrapper comment from dpkg, u can use flash in 64bit with the wrapper |
| 23:49.32 | maxamillion | darkskiez: yeah, i read about that a while back but hadn't heard good things |
| 23:49.45 | semprix | _stokes: yeah clearing everything now. Cleaning up the 2.6.18 files which are the old ones |
| 23:49.45 | semprix | thanks _stokes |
| 23:49.47 | semprix | didnt know it will dump the stuffs on / |
| 23:50.04 | darkskiez | yiga1: you building just console apps to do processing? |
| 23:50.28 | diafic | snore time. Night |
| 23:50.30 | yiga1 | darkskiez: that nspluginwrapper seems only good for x86_64 not amd64 |
| 23:50.40 | darkskiez | yiga1: same thing |
| 23:50.47 | yiga1 | darkskiez: not really, is it? |
| 23:50.53 | darkskiez | yiga1: yes, it is. |
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| 23:51.02 | darkskiez | just a naming issue. |
| 23:51.33 | darkskiez | yiga1: amd64-libs-dev and the amd64 kernel, and u can build fairly simple 64 bit apps with gcc on a 32bit distro. |
| 23:51.33 | yiga1 | darkskiez: so intel and amd the same thing? |
| 23:51.46 | yiga1 | darkskiez: you are doing this now? |
| 23:51.50 | darkskiez | yiga1: yes. |
| 23:51.59 | yiga1 | darkskiez: awesome good to hear |
| 23:52.35 | maxamillion | yiga1: x86_64 is the architecture, amd64 is the name of AMD's original implementation, but once Intel reverse engineered it and called it IA64, then the common architecture instruction set is just called x86_64 in order to talk about what both processors comply with |
| 23:52.35 | darkskiez | yiga1: this very week i went back to a 32bit kernel, because i couldnt build the latest nvidia driver for amd64 :) |
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| 23:53.16 | yiga1 | darkskiez: ok it sounds like its going to be massive tweaking time :), this is my first time for having a multicore processor - 2 - will that make a difference |
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| 23:53.37 | darkskiez | yiga1: make -j2 :) |
| 23:54.06 | rmaj | why debian fails to use serveral applications at once? |
| 23:54.11 | yiga1 | darkskiez: so the final idea is install 32b + 64dev ? |
| 23:54.17 | rmaj | I want to use: amule and ktorrent, and I cant install them both (testing) |
| 23:54.53 | maxamillion | rmaj: it doesn't ... i run over 30 applications and 2 operating systems inside a virtual machine accross 4 virtual desktops on debian etch on my workstation at the office ... never had a single issue |
| 23:54.58 | darkskiez | yiga1: well, convincing things to compile 64bit..is tricky. |
| 23:54.59 | maxamillion | ::knocks on wood:: |
| 23:55.03 | rmaj | The following actions will resolve these dependencies: k3d libogre5c2a |
| 23:55.17 | rmaj | maxamillion: so how to fix this issue? |
| 23:55.20 | darkskiez | yiga1: and then link properly, geebus. :) |
| 23:55.27 | maxamillion | rmaj: you installing using aptitude? |
| 23:55.27 | rmaj | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:55.28 | rmaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.39 | darkskiez | yiga1: benchmark it first, see if it makes any diff for your app |
| 23:55.41 | rmaj | maxamillion: aptitude install amule ktorrent |
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| 23:56.08 | yiga1 | darkskiez: there are a number of references online for this architecture https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#installation and http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ I will install both systems and see do time comparisons |
| 23:56.35 | darkskiez | yiga1: i suspect you will, overall, have less issues using the 64bit port, for doing your 64bit stuff |
| 23:56.38 | maxamillion | rmaj: try 'aptitude --without-recommends install amule ktorrent' because i don't think k3d is a dependency in that situation |
| 23:56.44 | maxamillion | but i could be wrong |
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| 23:57.14 | darkskiez | yiga1: if you arent doing so much, it is possible to do 64bit stuff on the 32bit archive, but its tricky to make things build properly. |
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| 23:57.29 | rmaj | maxamillion: the same problem |
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| 23:57.49 | yiga1 | darkskiez: I need things to build 64b as easily as possible |
| 23:58.06 | darkskiez | yiga1: use the 64bit port and worry about youtube another time :) |
| 23:58.23 | maxamillion | rmaj: try doing an 'aptitude update && aptitude upgrade' ... if something is not installable and is in the repos its possible that you need to upgrade something or that you installed something that isn't official from the repos |
| 23:58.27 | yiga1 | darkskiez: ah what compromises one must make :) |
| 23:58.49 | yiga1 | darkskiez: thank you |
| 23:58.55 | darkskiez | yiga1: it is a shame indeed =] np |
| 23:59.11 | yiga1 | maxamillion: thank you too |
| 23:59.23 | maxamillion | yiga1: anytime |
