| 00:00.07 | maxamillion | darkskiez: i do plan to investigate this 64-bit kernel and 32-bit user space business ... there must be some massive translation going on or my entire computer architecture course a couple semesters ago was worthless |
| 00:00.21 | valdyn | maxamillion: its worthless |
| 00:00.28 | darkskiez | lol |
| 00:00.38 | valdyn | maxamillion: it 'was worthless' |
| 00:01.00 | darkskiez | in my CA course I learnt how to built a super scalar pipelined processor..... |
| 00:01.04 | darkskiez | .. from the transistor level... |
| 00:01.06 | valdyn | maxamillion: i suppose you never leanred about 80286 -> 80386 transition |
| 00:01.11 | maxamillion | valdyn: then please explain to me how 32-bit code can resolve a 64-bit memory address ... i just don't see it being possible |
| 00:01.15 | darkskiez | ... in a functional programming language |
| 00:01.32 | valdyn | maxamillion: memory addresses are translated all the time, in hardware |
| 00:01.33 | maxamillion | valdyn: yeah i did ... it was a hack and a half |
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| 00:03.22 | valdyn | maxamillion: .. in any modern system |
| 00:04.02 | maxamillion | valdyn: yes, i am aware ... but they aren't translated from 32 to 64 bit, they are just translated from virtual to physical |
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| 00:04.52 | darkskiez | gnite |
| 00:05.04 | maxamillion | addresses* |
| 00:05.08 | valdyn | maxamillion: 64bit virtual -> 48 bit physical or 32bit virtual -> 48 physical |
| 00:05.13 | maxamillion | night darkskiez |
| 00:05.20 | valdyn | maxamillion: same difference |
| 00:06.00 | maxamillion | valdyn: not really |
| 00:06.12 | darkskiez | good argument :P |
| 00:06.17 | valdyn | haha |
| 00:06.26 | darkskiez | almost worth staying up for this |
| 00:06.36 | maxamillion | valdyn: it works in todays userspace, but what if you had a machine that had more memory than can be indexed by 48-bit physical addresses? |
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| 00:07.11 | maxamillion | valdyn: let me rephrase that ... it works in theory in todays userspeace |
| 00:07.22 | valdyn | maxamillion: then you could not use amd64 or intel x86_64 cpus in the first place |
| 00:07.30 | darkskiez | 32Tb..cool. |
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| 00:08.04 | maxamillion | valdyn: how do you figure? |
| 00:08.17 | valdyn | maxamillion: they only have 48 bit physical addressing |
| 00:08.44 | maxamillion | uhmm.... |
| 00:08.51 | valdyn | ( ictually i dont really know about the intel cpus, but I *know* that that is the case for amd64 |
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| 00:11.09 | maxamillion | valdyn: interesting ... i wasn't aware that they were only capable of 48-bit memory addressing |
| 00:11.43 | maxamillion | valdyn: i guess i just assumed that the MMU had a 32 and a 64 bit mode and you functioned in either one or the other ... just as with the cpu |
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| 00:12.39 | maxamillion | ok, well i really need to go do homework ... but i will definitely read into this later... its interesting as hell |
| 00:12.54 | maxamillion | laters all :) |
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| 00:13.07 | x_dimitri | hi all |
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| 00:13.36 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:14.01 | x_dimitri | I've had to manually download and install dependencies while trying to install a package. Is there a better way to do this? |
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| 00:14.48 | wols | x_dimitri: /msg dpkg apt howto |
| 00:14.56 | wols | x_dimitri: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 00:15.14 | x_dimitri | wols:thanks |
| 00:15.35 | wols | valdyn: not as if the 48bit address lanes thing is any problem |
| 00:15.49 | x_dimitri | wol:how do I get synaptic to use the proxy authentication details I specify? It seems to be ignoring them |
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| 00:16.34 | wols | erm, synaptic |
| 00:16.43 | x_dimitri | what does wol use? |
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| 00:17.28 | wols | use aptitude |
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| 00:17.45 | valdyn | wols: /nod |
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| 00:18.08 | x_dimitri | wols:is that same as the command-line apt? |
| 00:18.11 | wastrel | hi |
| 00:18.21 | wastrel | aptitude is a command line prog |
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| 00:18.46 | wastrel | it's substatntially similar to apt-get |
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| 00:19.11 | lokkju_wrk | is there any reason that debian would be running like molassas on a Vaio S460 (Pentium-M 1.73Ghz)? it is a new install, and it is running *way* slower then it was on my old P3 750mhz Z505 |
| 00:19.26 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: what exactly is slow? |
| 00:19.49 | lokkju_wrk | valdyn, booting |
| 00:20.02 | lokkju_wrk | took almost 5 minutes to get to Gnome |
| 00:20.18 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: is it getting stuck at some point? |
| 00:20.26 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: or is it just generally slow? |
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| 00:20.31 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys |
| 00:20.35 | lokkju_wrk | nope, just everything moving slow |
| 00:21.06 | Drk_Guy | How can i ennumerate the usb devices along with their dev thingies? |
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| 00:21.24 | lokkju_wrk | Drk_Guy, lspci |
| 00:21.29 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: sda or hda your root disk? |
| 00:21.36 | lokkju_wrk | (I think it should do usb) |
| 00:21.56 | lokkju_wrk | valdyn, sda - it is a sata 5400RPM drive, 2.6.18 kernel |
| 00:22.06 | lokkju_wrk | (which is getting upgraded right away) |
| 00:22.29 | Drk_Guy | Thanks lokkju_wrk, but it neither shows which tty is my W300 plugged in |
| 00:22.49 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: run that: ( as root ): 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null', abort that at some point, tell the speed, and run top while its running and tell us the cpu usage values |
| 00:23.20 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: mind, that's just one guess, 'general slowness' can be many things |
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| 00:24.30 | lokkju_wrk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.34 | lokkju_wrk | ack |
| 00:24.39 | lokkju_wrk | bad caps lock key |
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| 00:25.21 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: then: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null should give a speed the the order of magnitude of you ram max speed |
| 00:25.24 | abchirk | sorry was last time :P |
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| 00:26.08 | g0th | hi |
| 00:26.10 | g0th | I just upgraded my debian to the latest unstable |
| 00:26.17 | g0th | I installed xorg |
| 00:26.42 | lokkju_wrk | 42MB/sec, 15% CPU - I do have encrypted llvm, which I would expect to make thinks a bit slower, but I had the same setup on my old 700Mhz P3 - same amount of RAM as well (512MB) |
| 00:26.43 | g0th | when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it asks everything nicely but then refuses to create the config file because: |
| 00:27.01 | g0th | "shared/default-x-server" is not set |
| 00:27.02 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: encryption does not affect that |
| 00:27.08 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: looks good though anyway |
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| 00:27.17 | lokkju_wrk | valdyn, should affect CPU usage |
| 00:27.31 | g0th | it suggst to run dpkg-reconfigure to fix the problem but I just ran that |
| 00:27.43 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: the encrypted stuff is _on_ sda, we dont decrypt it |
| 00:27.52 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: as far as i understand |
| 00:28.02 | Drk_Guy | lokkju_wrk: I've got it's folder |
| 00:28.04 | lokkju_wrk | but 42MB/sec is probably pretty close to the max internal read speed on the drive anyway, sonsidering it is 5400RPm |
| 00:28.11 | Drk_Guy | But i don't have the tty |
| 00:28.15 | lokkju_wrk | valdyn, right, stupid me... |
| 00:28.17 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: no slowness there |
| 00:28.25 | lokkju_wrk | yeah |
| 00:28.26 | lokkju_wrk | hmf |
| 00:28.43 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: i would try a kernel from backports.org. |
| 00:28.46 | lokkju_wrk | I know there was something about centrino speed adjustment and linux... |
| 00:29.00 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: think your slowness is only booting, thus some hardware driver |
| 00:29.19 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: or is there something else you didnt tell us yet? |
| 00:29.37 | g0th | any ideas how I set "shared/default-x-server" ? |
| 00:29.51 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: even throttled to minimum it should boot faster than 5 minutes |
| 00:30.13 | lokkju_wrk | nope, nothing I left out |
| 00:30.16 | valdyn | g0th: what's the supposed to be? |
| 00:30.19 | wastrel | Drk_Guy: the tty should be in /var/log/messages |
| 00:30.26 | lokkju_wrk | I'll try a newer kernel, since I need it anyway |
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| 00:30.31 | wastrel | when you plug the device in or activate the connection |
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| 00:30.58 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: you can just try booting with acpi and/or apic disabled, that's a classic too |
| 00:31.02 | Drk_Guy | wastrel: I'm beign helped with that in ##linux |
| 00:31.07 | Drk_Guy | But really thanks |
| 00:31.08 | cchance[A] | how easy would it be to setup debian for wireless? I wanted to have the server on a cart with an APC batterybackup and a wireless connection? (souds good hu?) |
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| 00:31.27 | g0th | valdyn: I tried to install xorg then in the configuration it refused to write it because shared/default-x-server was not set |
| 00:31.42 | valdyn | g0th: which configuration tool? |
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| 00:32.05 | g0th | valdyn: debconf |
| 00:32.15 | valdyn | g0th: how did you install xorg? |
| 00:32.26 | wastrel | mmm ##linux |
| 00:32.38 | g0th | with apt/aptitude |
| 00:32.47 | valdyn | g0th: yes, sure, which package(s) |
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| 00:33.56 | g0th | well a lot |
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| 00:33.59 | g0th | xserver-xorg |
| 00:34.00 | g0th | basically |
| 00:34.09 | valdyn | g0th: run 'aptitude install xorg' |
| 00:34.40 | g0th | it's already installed |
| 00:35.05 | valdyn | g0th: now 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' gives that error still? |
| 00:35.07 | g0th | and yes I run it |
| 00:35.09 | g0th | yes |
| 00:35.24 | valdyn | g0th: check the bts, i dont know what this is, new bug |
| 00:35.56 | g0th | I doubt it's a new bug |
| 00:36.06 | g0th | I had a xfree86 installation before |
| 00:36.11 | valdyn | ah |
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| 00:36.17 | Drk_Guy | Rats |
| 00:36.28 | Drk_Guy | I've finally got the tty number |
| 00:36.31 | valdyn | g0th: so you went an unsupported upgrade path to an unsupported debian branch |
| 00:36.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Drk_Guy: Mice |
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| 00:36.39 | valdyn | g0th: that's not even considered a bug ) |
| 00:36.41 | Drk_Guy | But apps can't establish a link with mobile |
| 00:36.47 | g0th | I did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:36.52 | g0th | first to etch then to unstable |
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| 00:37.04 | valdyn | etch has xorg already |
| 00:37.16 | g0th | yeah |
| 00:37.23 | g0th | I didn't install xorg |
| 00:37.28 | g0th | I did that just now |
| 00:37.32 | g0th | after I updated my system |
| 00:37.40 | Drk_Guy | C'mon |
| 00:37.41 | valdyn | g0th: bug was reported Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:51:06 +0200 |
| 00:37.46 | Drk_Guy | Can anyone help me here? |
| 00:38.14 | g0th | is there a workaround? |
| 00:38.27 | g0th | I need the system as a workaround anyway |
| 00:38.39 | valdyn | g0th: read the bugreport yourself. |
| 00:38.54 | g0th | it's all not that easy |
| 00:39.02 | g0th | I have to read this stuff with a text browser |
| 00:39.06 | g0th | easier said than done |
| 00:39.07 | g0th | ouff |
| 00:39.09 | g0th | all right |
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| 00:39.13 | g0th | which bugreport exactly? |
| 00:39.20 | valdyn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443004 |
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| 00:39.55 | Drk_Guy | Can you telnet a TTY? |
| 00:40.18 | valdyn | Drk_Guy: umm |
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| 00:41.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any apps that can detect signal quality on a wlan and display it live as one moves the antenna and such? |
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| 00:41.52 | wastrel | i'm having trouble getting my new palm z22 syncing reliably |
| 00:41.56 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: first you need a wlan card that reports this reliably i suppose ;) |
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| 00:42.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Well, I have an Intel 4965AGN |
| 00:42.21 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: kismet probably, network-manager-gnome |
| 00:42.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ick! gnome! |
| 00:42.32 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: and iwconfig |
| 00:42.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, some GUI tool that can show signal quality percentagewise and auto-update it |
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| 00:43.11 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: you can use network-manager-kde too, though i doubt its functionally very different |
| 00:43.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | It doesn't autoupdate the percentage, I have to manually refresh |
| 00:44.26 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: `watch "iwconfig grep <stuff>" ` |
| 00:44.38 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: `watch "iwconfig | grep <stuff>" ` |
| 00:44.44 | g0th | valdyn: thanks for the info |
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| 00:45.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: thanks |
| 00:45.04 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: err, i think its 'iwlist scanning | grep <stuff>' |
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| 00:45.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Thx |
| 00:45.33 | g0th | I applied the mentioned patch, let's see if it works |
| 00:48.03 | cchance[A] | Does EHCP look good to anyone? |
| 00:48.34 | nameless | for install the nvidia drivers ? |
| 00:48.38 | karsten | cchance[A]: Depends how drunk I am. |
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| 01:08.03 | smacnay_ | Is there a good alternative source for midi patches? |
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| 01:28.28 | nsk | on my etch box rng-tools doesn't seem to work. What is the most quick way to determine whether my AMD CPU has a random number generator? |
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| 01:33.23 | bsmntbombdood | I see a large amount of data in /var/cache/apt/archives, can I get rid of it? |
| 01:33.52 | xsdg | bsmntbombdood: apt-get autoclean |
| 01:33.53 | theatro | apt-get autoclean |
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| 01:34.13 | xsdg | bsmntbombdood: also, `apt-get clean` if you're desperate for space |
| 01:34.23 | bsmntbombdood | what's the difference? |
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| 01:35.45 | xsdg | bsmntbombdood: autoclean only removes outdated package archives; clean removes up-to-date archives (which would have to be redownloaded if, for example, you needed to reinstall the package) |
| 01:36.11 | bsmntbombdood | ok, thanks |
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| 01:39.26 | smacnay | is there an app in linux that will work on .sfArk files? |
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| 01:54.49 | zenwryly | Is there a way to get gnome-power-manager or some other systray power manager to use s2both for "hibernate"? |
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| 01:55.52 | pleed_ | i ve got the following problem: today i got a root server with debian etch. the problem is that the stupid guy who installed it used all 74Gb for / so i have no more space. is there any way to resize it on the fly (no lvm)? |
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| 01:56.27 | pleed_ | the fs is ext3 |
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| 01:57.53 | biopyte | hi, cant find "xaralx" in lenny, but in sid. how do i install a sid package into my lenny system. btw, why is xaralx not in lenny, it used to be there, right? |
| 01:58.09 | dondelelcaro | pleed_: you'll have to umount the filesystem to resize it, which will require booting off of some external media |
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| 01:58.35 | dondelelcaro | !+info xaralx testing |
| 01:58.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:58.39 | dpkg | Package 'xaralx' does not exist. |
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| 01:59.01 | xtor | Is there a debian package that can send a fax of a PDF or PS document via a modem to another fax number? Sort of like winfax for Linux? |
| 01:59.02 | dondelelcaro | biopyte: you'll either have to backport it or pin it in; it probably was removed because of bugs |
| 01:59.32 | dondelelcaro | xtor: lots of them; mgetty-fax, hylafax, etc. |
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| 02:00.07 | xtor | and these can initialize a regular 56k faxmodem over an analog line? |
| 02:00.26 | xtor | Do any of them have a nice GUI hehe |
| 02:00.28 | biopyte | dondelelcaro: how do i pin it? it is invisible within testing. |
| 02:01.05 | dondelelcaro | xtor: they've been known to, and I've no idea. I haven't used a fax modem in the past 10 years. |
| 02:01.20 | dondelelcaro | biopyte: yes, because it's not in testing. |
| 02:01.22 | dondelelcaro | !pinning |
| 02:01.22 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 02:01.36 | biopyte | ok, thanks |
| 02:02.27 | xtor | Softfax application for Asterisk |
| 02:02.27 | xtor | This will allow you to send and receive faxes using the Asterisk PBX by |
| 02:02.27 | xtor | generating Fax tones using a software DSP. |
| 02:02.48 | xtor | has anyone played with asterisk PBX gateways? |
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| 02:08.00 | joanne- | is there a way to install debian on an efi mac without bootcamp, now that apple has taken it down? |
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| 02:09.40 | joanne- | i'll take that as a no. |
| 02:10.10 | shriphani | hello everyone. I am using 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature' to find out the system temperature. Is this the right way to do it? the temperature seems to shoot up to 70 C. |
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| 02:10.50 | xsdg | joanne-: there's a mac debian channel, though I don't remember the name right now |
| 02:11.07 | xsdg | shriphani: that seems right; what type of machine? |
| 02:11.24 | shriphani | xsdg, Acer Travelmate 4500 |
| 02:11.52 | shriphani | It is at 68 now. I think the fan should be capable of cooling it faster. |
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| 02:12.35 | Atalanta | what do the debian patches to the unix software do, per se? |
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| 02:13.59 | xsdg | Atalanta: "the unix software"? huh? |
| 02:14.31 | biopyte | df |
| 02:15.15 | Atalanta | like, i was told that the barebones software (if you install base system) is pretty much kernel and a few tools, but that they are patched |
| 02:15.18 | Atalanta | well, why are they patched? |
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| 02:16.00 | shriphani | xsdg, I don't know if this is the right place to state this. In ubuntu I used the acpi -t command and it would return a pretty accurate figure. + my fan wouldn't be on all the while. Save the initial 5 mins my fan has been on all the while I've used debian. Can you tell me how I can cool my lappy ? |
| 02:16.30 | venger | i'm missing something basic for usb support, udev is install and usbcore is compiled into kernel along with any other defaults for the 2.6.22.6 kernel compile. when I plug in a usb device nothing shows up in dmesg about the device. any suggestions? |
| 02:16.53 | stew | Atalanta: some are patched so that they meed the debian policy of adhering to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. some add install and remove scripts, some fix bugs... |
| 02:16.58 | stew | stryek: please don't do that |
| 02:18.10 | wii | ??? |
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| 02:19.16 | Atalanta | well where can i find a nonpatched, minimal, free, unix system? |
| 02:19.34 | stew | Atalanta: why wouldn't you want debian's patches? |
| 02:19.52 | Atalanta | im not saying anything particular about debian, im just getting curious about unix |
| 02:19.58 | stew | Atalanta: ask ##linux |
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| 02:20.31 | xsdg | Atalanta: google "linux from scratch" |
| 02:20.37 | Edwin_Quijada | how can i identify for get in into a channel |
| 02:20.46 | xsdg | Atalanta: by the way, by "unix" do you mean "linux"? |
| 02:20.52 | xsdg | Edwin_Quijada: /quote ns help |
| 02:21.04 | cafuego | Edwin_Quijada: /msg nickserv help register |
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| 02:31.49 | PotataChipz | hello all. The nvidia drivers do not seem to like this machine. X fails to start with "no screens found." Using vesa drivers works fine. |
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| 02:32.19 | acidchil1 | is there anyway of redoing the debian installsetup thingi. |
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| 02:39.58 | waltz | this is very odd |
| 02:40.27 | waltz | Debian 4.0 r1 is freezing upon detecting my HighPoint 1520 RAID controller |
| 02:41.35 | waltz | hm, nvm |
| 02:41.40 | waltz | it's a Linux kernel issue |
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| 02:45.46 | biopyte | hm |
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| 02:50.24 | DawnLight | hello friends. i love debian |
| 02:50.39 | earnest | hehe, me too :) |
| 02:50.49 | sikkle | heheh |
| 02:50.51 | DawnLight | i mean that in earnest |
| 02:50.58 | sikkle | i looking for a good book about debian etch |
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| 02:51.04 | sikkle | doesnt seem to exist at the moment right ? |
| 02:51.10 | earnest | hehe, i mean debian is the dawn; debian is the light; debian is DawnLight |
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| 02:51.27 | DawnLight | a book? hmm... /msg dpkg |
| 02:51.53 | earnest | im looking for a way to get core files when ``segmentation fault'' |
| 02:52.00 | earnest | they're currently not being generated |
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| 02:52.31 | earnest | at least not in the current directory |
| 02:53.26 | DawnLight | i don't know what a segmentation fault is. you are looking for a way to what? |
| 02:53.30 | shriphani | is there any way I can change trip points for my fan ? |
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| 02:53.52 | DawnLight | shriphani: lm-sensors will be a start |
| 02:53.57 | xjkx | After I have recompiled my kernel, the printer stopped working, i have thi message "Cannot open /dev/lp0 read/write: No such file or directory" but the option PARALLELL PORT is enabled in the kernel, what did i miss? |
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| 02:54.29 | earnest | DawnLight: when a program does some things wrong, the kernel sends it a SIGSEGV signal, kills it, and writes the process to the disk in a file called ``core'' --- processname.core in FreeBSD; not sure how GNU systems are doing it lately; it used to be just ``core''. |
| 02:54.47 | Tramp | earnest: man BUILTINS, search for ulimit |
| 02:55.00 | shriphani | DawnLight, after that ? Can you provide me with a wiki that gives a detailed description of all this ? |
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| 02:56.01 | earnest | Tramp: bingo. ulimit -c equals zero. |
| 02:56.07 | earnest | Tramp: thanks a lot. |
| 02:56.13 | Tramp | np |
| 02:56.13 | venger | i am currently using usb devices but when i plug in devices, it isn't reported to console or dmesg and also lsusb is empty although its currently mounted? 2.6.22.6 |
| 02:56.22 | DawnLight | shriphani: lm-sensors can do this, i think, but it depends on the chip, as some don't have that feature. try http://lm-sensors.org |
| 02:57.26 | Edwin_Quijada | bison come with build-essential pkg? |
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| 02:59.12 | aarcane | hi |
| 02:59.57 | aarcane | I'm attempting to download the install ISO for debian 40r1, and cdimage.debian.org isn't responding and forwarding me to a mirror for some reason. can someone paste a direct download URL for the CD image ? netinst preferably |
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| 03:02.56 | _Sam-- | narcane: what arch |
| 03:03.08 | aarcane | i386 |
| 03:03.29 | lymeca | I'm very surprised Compiz Fusion hasn't made it into Debian |
| 03:03.29 | _Sam-- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso is working from here |
| 03:04.05 | biopyte | aarcane: working here |
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| 03:04.48 | aarcane | the cdimage.debian.org domain isn't responding to my requests. it just says waiting for forever |
| 03:06.17 | epsilon | lymeca: compiz is in etch, the fusion with beryl is still too new |
| 03:06.31 | DawnLight_ | does anyone have experience with making a bridge? i don't know where to start |
| 03:06.33 | epsilon | even in gentoo it's beta |
| 03:06.36 | lymeca | epsilon: Right, I'd think at least sid... |
| 03:06.47 | lymeca | Well it's the default window manager in the newest Ubuntu release |
| 03:06.57 | lymeca | If that's the case it's good enough to go into Debian unstable |
| 03:06.58 | biopyte | nobody is missing it anyway .... ;)) |
| 03:07.10 | lymeca | I mean I run it on Debian unstable anyway,but it should be in Debian |
| 03:07.12 | lymeca | For sure |
| 03:07.19 | lymeca | It's an extremely important Free Software project |
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| 03:07.29 | epsilon | fusion as default "stable" desktop in ubuntu? holy... |
| 03:07.38 | DawnLight_ | it is. + me in |
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| 03:08.22 | DawnLight_ | well, ubuntu is said to be for human beings, so its ok |
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| 03:13.21 | alaya | DawnLight_: set up br0 in /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces for more info |
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| 03:16.56 | acidchild | where is xorgconf xcfg or any of them things? |
| 03:17.02 | kingsley | Is there an easy way for apt-get, aptitude or a similar package manager to revert whatever packages happen to have come from experimental back to their unstable versions? |
| 03:17.09 | DawnLight_ | alaya: man interfaces doesn't have information about bridges |
| 03:17.21 | acidchild | when i use dpkg-reconfig X says there is no FontPath defined. |
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| 03:17.43 | Diabolo | hello guys |
| 03:17.55 | Diabolo | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:17.55 | Diabolo | Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 03:17.55 | Diabolo | Failed to bring up eth2. |
| 03:17.55 | Diabolo | done. |
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| 03:17.55 | DawnLight_ | kingsley: you'll have to purge them and install the wanted version |
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| 03:18.30 | DawnLight_ | Diabolo: are you root? |
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| 03:18.46 | Diabolo | hey guys |
| 03:18.58 | kingsley | DawnLight_: Do you happen to know an easy way to identify which packages are from experimental? |
| 03:18.58 | Diabolo | Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers |
| 03:19.11 | Diabolo | File exists |
| 03:19.17 | Diabolo | Failed to bring up eth2. |
| 03:19.27 | Diabolo | i cant setup my wifi card on boot |
| 03:19.34 | DawnLight_ | kingsley: comment out all other sources, update and there you have them |
| 03:19.48 | Diabolo | or with /etc/network/interfaces and them /etc/init.d/networking |
| 03:19.50 | Diabolo | i get that error |
| 03:20.18 | Diabolo | RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 03:20.25 | Diabolo | Failed to bring up eth2. |
| 03:20.26 | DawnLight_ | Diabolo: let me see your interfaces file |
| 03:20.30 | kingsley | DawnLight_: I'm wondering if I understand your advice. Can you elaborate> |
| 03:20.38 | kingsley | DawnLight_: s/>/?/ |
| 03:21.44 | Diabolo | DawnLight_, http://pastebin.ca/741977 |
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| 03:21.54 | Diabolo | there is my interfaces file DawnLight_ |
| 03:22.10 | DawnLight_ | kingsley: thinking about it, it will also show you all the installed files. no good advice |
| 03:22.21 | DawnLight_ | s/files/packages |
| 03:23.28 | DawnLight_ | Diabolo: i have to reboot. will be back in a minute |
| 03:23.38 | Diabolo | ok |
| 03:23.47 | Diabolo | DawnLight_, ill be here |
| 03:25.07 | DawnLight_ | okay, two minutes |
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| 03:26.20 | auto359 | using Lenny, what is the preferred method to enable Java plugin to Firefox on an AMD64 system? |
| 03:26.26 | DawnLight_ | maybe five... slow box |
| 03:27.19 | DawnLight_ | ok, rebooting now |
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| 03:30.45 | acidchild | what package is xorg's configure tool? |
| 03:31.10 | Throat | kingsley: did you mean installed packages or packages you could install? |
| 03:31.37 | Rusty1 | auto359: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#q2.2 |
| 03:31.54 | Throat | acidchild: what's that tool called? |
| 03:32.12 | kingsley | Throat: I have mostly unstable packages installed, and a few from experimental. I'd like to downgrade the experimental packages to unstable. |
| 03:32.20 | Throat | acidchild: you can try apt-file or dlocate... |
| 03:32.21 | Throat | !search |
| 03:32.21 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 03:32.25 | nvz | HMM somehow having rfb on wouldn't allow me to create a new screen it was just blanking the window and made my caps lock get stuck on |
| 03:32.27 | kingsley | Throat: Does that make sense? |
| 03:33.00 | nvz | kingsley: you don't have to make sense, just act like it and never let em see you sweat |
| 03:33.02 | Darkclaw55 | how can I use test to see if a partition is mounted? |
| 03:33.13 | Throat | kingsley: kind of ... I think Dawnlight misunderstood you and suggested a method to show packages in the experimental repository |
| 03:33.16 | nvz | Darkclaw55: output of mtab or df |
| 03:33.18 | Throat | Darkclaw55: mount |
| 03:33.26 | nvz | Darkclaw55: you could grep mtab |
| 03:33.33 | Diabolo | Darkclaw55, mount |
| 03:33.44 | nvz | Darkclaw55: grep /dev/hda1 /etc/mtab |
| 03:33.48 | nvz | for example |
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| 03:34.01 | nvz | pipe that through wc -l and you'll get a binary response |
| 03:34.08 | nvz | 0 not mounted 1 mounted |
| 03:34.27 | nvz | since I assume you are trying to script something |
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| 03:35.22 | Throat | kingsley: I think there is no simple way to find out... |
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| 03:35.45 | disgruntal | when using the command useradd is there a predefined password set or do I have to use passwd nick newpasshere? |
| 03:35.51 | Diabolo | DawnLight, http://pastebin.ca/741977 |
| 03:36.04 | Diabolo | DawnLight, this is my interfaces file |
| 03:36.07 | NineTails | sup |
| 03:36.08 | DawnLight | i'm at it |
| 03:36.13 | nvz | disgruntal: IIRC you can suply a hash from crypt |
| 03:36.25 | Throat | kingsley: if I understand the system correctly, packages will automatically go from unstable to testing after a certain period - but that implies, that the package itself cannot contain information about the repository |
| 03:36.35 | nvz | disgruntal: I use adduser, I get confused sometimes what all the exact syntax is on the various utils |
| 03:36.54 | disgruntal | adduser from a commandline as root? |
| 03:36.57 | nvz | disgruntal: in other words RTFM cause that's what I'd do |
| 03:37.17 | nvz | man useradd, man adduser, man crypt..etc |
| 03:37.26 | nvz | man /etc/passwd |
| 03:37.36 | nvz | whatever authenticates your tokens |
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| 03:37.42 | nvz | for all I care |
| 03:38.02 | nvz | heh, I never used the auth/token one before |
| 03:38.04 | Throat | kingsley: which means you would need to compare the versions of all of your installed packages to the versions in the repository - only that this version might not be present anymore at all, if you did not update to one repository lately... |
| 03:38.23 | nvz | "Whatever pulls your bandwagon" is still a classic though |
| 03:38.34 | Throat | kingsley: so the test would need to be "newer than the current unstable", I guess(?) |
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| 03:39.03 | disgruntal | i have a book that gives an explanation and it has the same as the man pages but dosn't say anything about a password being preset. |
| 03:39.05 | wii_ | 0.o |
| 03:39.08 | disgruntal | ?? |
| 03:39.25 | wii_ | why is there a second wii? |
| 03:39.51 | kingsley | Throat Yes, I'm going to check out apt-show-versions... |
| 03:39.52 | Diabolo | DawnLight, do u see anything wrong? |
| 03:40.26 | DawnLight | Diabolo: i'm having some problem can you paste this in #diabolo ? |
| 03:40.27 | Throat | disgruntal: there are no preset passwords - one of the two scripts should ask you for a pwd - the other must either leave the pwd empty, or writes "*" into /etc/password (which effectively disables the account until a password is set) |
| 03:40.43 | disgruntal | ty |
| 03:41.33 | disgruntal | are there anygood http's to help me learn more? I'm still a newbi. |
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| 03:41.46 | wii_ | wii u stole my name |
| 03:41.48 | Throat | empty password == user can connect without authentification (maybe by just hitting enter when asked for a password, or not being asked at all) |
| 03:41.58 | disgruntal | ah |
| 03:42.03 | disgruntal | not a good thing :-) |
| 03:42.06 | Diabolo | DawnLight, i paste in a prv msg |
| 03:42.08 | Diabolo | i get it? DawnLight |
| 03:42.10 | Diabolo | u get it? |
| 03:42.15 | auto359 | Rusty1: thanks, i have installed JDK using Aptitude, as i need that for developing apps, and i have no /usr/java/jre etc |
| 03:46.25 | disgruntal | nvz: Thank you for the info |
| 03:46.33 | disgruntal | Throat: Thank you for the info |
| 03:46.46 | Rusty1 | auto359: there is nothing in /usr/java ? |
| 03:48.49 | auto359 | Rusty1: there is *no* /usr/java |
| 03:48.59 | Rusty1 | cd /java |
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| 03:49.19 | rahul | wtf is /usr/java? |
| 03:49.20 | Rusty1 | auto359: disregard |
| 03:49.52 | rahul | dpkg -L <package> |
| 03:49.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |
| 03:50.00 | rahul | !penixstrike dpkg |
| 03:50.00 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dpkg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 03:50.53 | Rusty1 | auto359: aptitude search java |
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| 03:51.34 | auto359 | Lenny install sun-java6-sdk using the non-free repositories and sticks Java into /usr/lib/jvm |
| 03:51.39 | auto359 | Rusty1: k |
| 03:51.58 | DawnLight_ | i'm having terrible lag |
| 03:52.29 | sam55 | any idea why? |
| 03:53.14 | auto359 | Rusty1: doesn't that command just search for all java packages available in the tree? |
| 03:53.23 | auto359 | wiiiiiiii, sorry, always wanted to do that |
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| 03:53.58 | Rusty1 | auto359: look for the ii 's before the package names to show whats installed |
| 03:54.02 | venger | sam55, i think you can man mandb and find how to fix things like that |
| 03:54.08 | auto359 | Rusty1: ahhhh |
| 03:54.17 | sam55 | veger: hmm ... let me take a look. |
| 03:54.20 | Diabolo | DawnLight, still the same error with "" |
| 03:55.31 | DawnLight_ | Diabolo: can you try using wlassistant or some gnome app? |
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| 03:55.48 | DawnLight_ | wlassistant works magic for me |
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| 03:55.57 | Diabolo | nop |
| 03:56.42 | DawnLight_ | or using wifi-radar? |
| 03:56.49 | auto359 | Rusty1: java-common libhsqldb-java libjaxp1.3-java libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libjline-java libservlet2.4-java libxalan2-java libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java libxerces2-java-gcj openoffice.org-java-common sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre |
| 03:57.04 | auto359 | whoops, close to a #flood |
| 03:58.21 | sam55 | venger: so /usr/share/man/man1/i486-linux-gnu-g77-3.4.1 is a filename which is linked to by some file, but it doesn't exist. So how do I find that file? |
| 03:58.45 | sam55 | venger: man page for mandb says further diagnostics are needed in this case. What diagnostics? |
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| 04:01.01 | Rusty1 | auto359: ls -l /usr/bin/java* |
| 04:01.32 | acidchild | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:01.35 | acidchild | whats that mean? |
| 04:01.44 | acidchild | for nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:02.09 | DawnLight_ | !tell acidchild about nvidia |
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| 04:02.56 | acidchild | ta. |
| 04:03.02 | porta | after installing postfix how do I go about using it? |
| 04:03.30 | DawnLight_ | !postfix |
| 04:03.30 | dpkg | from memory, postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 04:03.34 | acidchild | DawnLight_: thats what i am reading ;/ |
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| 04:03.38 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:03.40 | theatro | porta, postfix, isnt that a big book oreilly sells? |
| 04:03.41 | acidchild | and i am doing what it say. |
| 04:03.50 | grendal_prime | mylex raid controllers |
| 04:03.51 | porta | ty |
| 04:03.52 | acidchild | running lenny/sid it says from debian_version. |
| 04:03.59 | porta | not sure.. I will check it out though |
| 04:04.15 | grendal_prime | can anyone here help me with a mylex raid controller? |
| 04:04.31 | porta | is postfix a good mail server? |
| 04:04.48 | auto359 | Rusty1: http://rafb.net/p/Y4FMmc80.html |
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| 04:06.42 | kingsley | Throat: FYI: apt-show-versions works. |
| 04:07.41 | shriphani | would it be ok if I edit /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points to set my fan trip points ? |
| 04:08.26 | shriphani | because I read in a forum that it would be ok for hp laptops. No one suggested anything for acer(my laptop) over there. |
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| 04:15.58 | DawnLight | okay folks... bridging interfaces... how do i go about it? |
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| 04:16.56 | Dev-Dev | Could anyone help me build drivers for ubuntu for my RAID card? |
| 04:17.07 | DawnLight | !ubuntu |
| 04:17.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 04:17.17 | Rusty1 | auto359: ls /usr/lib/jvm |
| 04:17.26 | auto359 | Rusty1: k |
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| 04:17.48 | auto359 | Rusty1: java-6-sun java-6-sun-1.6.0.00 |
| 04:18.04 | auto359 | first is symlink, second is /directory |
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| 04:20.01 | DawnLight | is there a way to reset my ip routing tables? |
| 04:20.37 | DawnLight | as in to zero them out |
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| 04:21.22 | DawnLight | do i install bridge-utils on the bridge or on the bridged? |
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| 04:23.35 | smacnay | Hi, I want to set up a vpn between three computers over the internet. Each has a router between the net and the computer. Linux, Windows, and Mac are the OS's in use. Do I start with the openvpn package on the linux box? The router on the lin box is allowing vpn passthrough but only one port has been opened (ssh - 22). |
| 04:24.39 | DawnLight | smacnay: describe your physical layer |
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| 04:25.38 | Rusty1 | auto359: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386 is what you want to link to in your /home /.mozilla/plugins etc |
| 04:25.51 | smacnay | DawnLight: physical layer? The lin box currently has no iptables running but the kernel has all modules available. It accesses the net through a router that only allows port 22 traffic to the linux box. |
| 04:26.05 | smacnay | DawnLight: not sure if that was what you meant? |
| 04:26.19 | Tinchio | hi, can anyone help me with "at" comand? |
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| 04:26.52 | Tinchio | i just set the task, and i can list it, but it just doesnt execute it :-/ |
| 04:27.00 | nvz | one of my fingers is slacking and I'm not sure which one.. but I've been averaging about one in six login attempts lately |
| 04:27.20 | Rusty1 | auto359: refer to the link i posted earlier, but thats what your looking for AFAIK |
| 04:27.23 | DawnLight | smacnay: the physical layer of the network is the actual hardware. so you have one router and all the boxes are wired to it? |
| 04:27.50 | nvz | when I can see what I am typing my mind and fingers correct so quickly I don't know there was even really a problem.. its when I am typing passwords the problems really show :P |
| 04:28.17 | smacnay | DawnLight: yes, on this end all traffic goes through the hardware router. On the other end (a Mac and a Windows box) the setup is the same net -> router -> computers |
| 04:29.19 | auto359 | Rusty1: so i have to find the plugins in the jre in that setup and apply accordingly? |
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| 04:30.02 | DawnLight | smacnay: i think you'll need the openvpn package. but i don't have experience with that. forgive me, i thought you meant something else |
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| 04:30.35 | Rusty1 | auto359: yup |
| 04:30.48 | auto359 | Rusty1: k, cool, thanks |
| 04:31.50 | moshii | Slightly OT, but has anyone else noticed that if you size up fonts in CSS for a HTML page with a browser on Debian, the fonts end up tiny on anything else.. like IE in wine :/ |
| 04:33.54 | kgoetz | how can i recreate a users permiossions in the mysql database? i recreated the user, but want teh ACLs from their old login applied. the 'old login' in question is the debian-sys-maint account |
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| 04:44.19 | DawnLight_ | i am reading /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian now and it tells me that i shouldn't bridge between wired ifaces and wireless ifaces, which are in managed mode because the AP won't accept packets from the unassociated lan. can't i associate the bridged wired interface with the AP? i know that association needs the wireless extentions, but can't that be virtualized somehow? after all, it only means wrapping up the packets with the relevant data, as |
| 04:44.19 | DawnLight_ | long as encryption isn't involved, at least. |
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| 04:45.47 | |Agent | Hi, I got a question about installing a Debian package. I need an updated version of automake, etc., but I don't have a superuser account. Is there a way I can install it in my ~/bin directory? |
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| 04:46.19 | kgoetz | you could extract it, or build it from source |
| 04:46.37 | moshii | |Agent: as long as the system isnt setup in such a way that you can't execute binaries |
| 04:46.37 | |Agent | But apt-get and friends won't help? |
| 04:47.15 | maxamillion | |Agent: no, you need to be admin to run those |
| 04:47.27 | |Agent | Okay. |
| 04:47.37 | kgoetz | to install |
| 04:47.37 | moshii | |Agent: you can use dpkg to extract the contents of the deb... |
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| 04:48.50 | moshii | |Agent: or create yourself a mini-root with debootstrap and chroot into there instead |
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| 04:56.36 | maxamillion | i hate doing net installs over dialup :( |
| 04:57.56 | Tinchio | does anyone know how to use "at"? it just doesn't execute my jobs! :-/ |
| 04:58.41 | Hobbes-- | check logs? |
| 04:59.00 | Hobbes-- | Maybe the syslog.. if at doesn't have her own logs. |
| 04:59.06 | Tinchio | where are at logs? |
| 04:59.17 | Tinchio | let me check syslogs... |
| 04:59.39 | Hobbes-- | : /var/log |
| 05:00.38 | Tinchio | no, nothing related to at or crontab on syslog |
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| 05:03.07 | Hobbes-- | that is somewhat odd, Tinchio. I don't even use cron, and lots of cron messages show up in my syslog. Or someplace in the log directory. I recall seeing them. See, your Debian system uses cron by default for some systems maintenance stuff. |
| 05:04.38 | Tinchio | yes, there are some tasks already set like the nessus update, but when i check the syslog no thing related to my task ath that time, or even near that time |
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| 05:09.10 | |Agent | I can't even do dpkg --unpack without root privs! Sucky. |
| 05:09.37 | streuner | no |
| 05:09.57 | streuner | imagine _EVERY_ user could install or remove packages :-) |
| 05:10.18 | |Agent | Sounds like a good world, so long as it was kept in their local directories. |
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| 05:10.32 | kgoetz | ` dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/apt_0.6.46.4-0.1_i386.deb apt_out` works |
| 05:11.40 | streuner | hm, you want surely that _EVERY_ user is able to listen to everything then... (/ironic) |
| 05:11.43 | |Agent | Oh, there's a difference between --unpack and --extract? |
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| 05:15.00 | streuner | -x (single file from a package), --unpack (whole files from the package) |
| 05:15.00 | \amethyst | still, why should dpkg --root=~/ --unpack foo.deb require superuser privs? |
| 05:15.00 | \amethyst | oh, right, chowning |
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| 05:15.47 | kgoetz | streuner: -x extracts the whole arhive for me |
| 05:15.54 | |Agent | yeah, for me too |
| 05:16.30 | \amethyst | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-unpackphase |
| 05:16.39 | \amethyst | unpacking is more than just extracting files |
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| 05:17.40 | linux_jones | is there a one shot way to change my hostname? |
| 05:18.05 | \amethyst | what do you mean by "one shot"? hostname foo.fqdn.com perhaps? |
| 05:18.17 | dalias | /etc/hostname |
| 05:18.28 | civillian | \amethyst: does that command update /etc/hostname? |
| 05:18.31 | linux_jones | i just remember back in the day you had to change alot of stuff |
| 05:18.38 | |Agent | Hm. I think I'll have to do this from source. There's share directories and such, and I don't think the apps will be smart enough to check my local ones. |
| 05:18.38 | kgoetz | civillian: thats its purpose |
| 05:18.46 | kgoetz | linux_jones: /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 05:18.48 | streuner | linux_jones: if you did changes to you system it prolly more complicated |
| 05:18.54 | \amethyst | civillian: no, it doesn't |
| 05:19.01 | simonrvn | hostname doesn't change the files |
| 05:19.03 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 05:19.07 | streuner | yeah |
| 05:20.12 | kgoetz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:20.35 | \amethyst | kgoetz: yes, but what makes you think it changes /etc/hostname ? |
| 05:21.01 | linux_jones | does hostname blah.blah change /etc/host and /etc/hostname? |
| 05:21.31 | thedonvaughn | linux_jones: nope |
| 05:21.33 | civillian | not from memory |
| 05:21.34 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:21.37 | \amethyst | linux_jones: no it doesn't. I misunderstood what you meant by "one shot" |
| 05:22.15 | linux_jones | so i have manually change them both to blah.mshome to connect to my room mates computers shared files? |
| 05:22.29 | thedonvaughn | linux_jones: huh? |
| 05:22.29 | \amethyst | ??? |
| 05:22.40 | kgoetz | \amethyst: i have a memeory of it doing so |
| 05:22.43 | simonrvn | what? |
| 05:22.45 | kgoetz | perhaps someone told me it would |
| 05:22.53 | kgoetz | linux_jones: no. use samba |
| 05:22.56 | \amethyst | kgoetz: you might try testing it |
| 05:22.56 | kgoetz | and do it properly |
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| 05:24.15 | simonrvn | using echo maybe... |
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| 05:25.35 | kgoetz | \amethyst: could do |
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| 05:31.21 | kgoetz | anyone know how i asociate an existing user in mysql (debian-sys-maint) with a host? currently it has '%' as its host |
| 05:31.26 | kgoetz | i'm hoping to bind to 'localhost' |
| 05:32.02 | simonrvn | don't fuck with that user |
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| 05:32.50 | kgoetz | its already fucked, i'm trying to reduce the pain |
| 05:33.08 | shriphani | folks I need to set my fan trip points. I am on an acer travelmate 3500 and I seemingly can't edit /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points |
| 05:33.32 | shriphani | can someone tell me how to set trip points? |
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| 05:37.38 | laps | I have one problem. I formatted my usbdisk to ext3 using cfdisk, after that it was not automounting. then I took my usbdisk to windows system and formatted as FAT32, now it is automounting as vfat. why so? |
| 05:37.45 | laps | can't I format usbdisk properly with Debian? |
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| 05:38.06 | simonrvn | uh, fat32 == vfat |
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| 05:42.01 | dalias | laps, cfdisk does not format, it partitions |
| 05:42.14 | dalias | you need mke2fs to make an ext2/3 filesystem |
| 05:42.42 | dalias | generally it's best to use fat32 for usb disks tho so you can use them with foreign systems |
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| 05:58.46 | PotataChipz | hey all, I'm trying to get sound working on my new debian installation. Alsaconf can see my soundcard and it thinks that it's been successfull, but still no sound. I've made sure audio is unmuted from volume control |
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| 06:01.47 | darrh00 | how to sumbit a patch for a debian package,is there anything I should pay attention to?or can I just attached the patch created by by diff when report a bug using reportbug? |
| 06:02.30 | kgoetz | darrh00: debdiff is probably preffered |
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| 06:03.21 | darrh00 | kgoetz:thanks,I googled and find dpatch which is not I want. |
| 06:03.44 | kgoetz | darrh00: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aka oftc) is probably a better place to ask |
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| 06:13.18 | lepine | do any of you play with mono on your systems? |
| 06:13.45 | zinx | !tell lepine about popcon |
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| 06:14.32 | lepine | cool! hadn't seen that before |
| 06:15.30 | Eulex | lepine, the point of zinx is that using it, you can actually check whether someone has mono on his/her debian system. |
| 06:16.20 | lepine | i did get that part ... but that doesn't say if anyone here plays with mono |
| 06:17.59 | zinx | lepine: sure it does |
| 06:18.11 | zinx | lepine: if the number of users is greater than zero, then someone plays with mono. |
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| 06:18.43 | lepine | indeed ... but in this channel ... that's not garanteed |
| 06:18.56 | zinx | !anyone |
| 06:18.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 06:19.52 | lepine | does anyone here have a link towards docs for mono on debian ... specifically ... getting started with CLI software |
| 06:20.00 | lepine | in a CLI environment |
| 06:20.28 | zinx | mono might have some documentation in that area, or you could look in to monodevelop |
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| 06:21.44 | lepine | monodevelop is an X ide ... perusing the project's site |
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| 06:23.39 | zinx | yes |
| 06:23.59 | zinx | but if you're unable to understand or find the documentation that's on the internet for the CLI, then you are better off using a GUI. |
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| 06:27.12 | lepine | :) |
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| 06:51.43 | GuHHH | !help |
| 06:51.58 | GuHHH | !ipw3945 |
| 06:51.58 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 06:52.14 | GuHHH | damn... :) |
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| 06:52.31 | GuHHH | ei |
| 06:52.55 | GuHHH | im running a amd64 kernel on a core 2 duo, is it okay? |
| 06:53.07 | GuHHH | (i guess its not) :) |
| 06:53.28 | kgoetz | yes it is |
| 06:53.32 | kgoetz | thats what its for |
| 06:53.40 | GuHHH | why not 686? |
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| 06:54.08 | kgoetz | 686 covers the 32 bit Pentiums last i heard |
| 06:54.44 | GuHHH | i see, well, maybe its better to run it as 32 :) |
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| 07:00.32 | yiga1 | GuHHH: the real question is why are you running that kernel on that machine? |
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| 07:01.31 | GuHHH | because ppl told me its the right one for my cpu... |
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| 07:09.03 | ada | hi all |
| 07:09.10 | abchirk | hiu |
| 07:09.49 | ada | is it possible to install pkg like samba, or zope, without the option for start @ bootime ? |
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| 07:11.15 | daveinthesky | yes, use sysvinit to remove it from your runlevel's startup |
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| 07:11.50 | daveinthesky | !runlevels |
| 07:11.50 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 07:12.10 | ada | tx |
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| 07:12.53 | SpeedyG | grmbl, why does dpkg have both -l and -L implemented as options.. so confusing :p |
| 07:13.33 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: because they do totally different things |
| 07:13.41 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: yeah, I know.. |
| 07:13.44 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: and -L doesn't actually go to dpkg anyway, it's part of dpkg-query. |
| 07:13.48 | SpeedyG | I always mix the both of them up :P |
| 07:13.55 | dondelelcaro | (as is -l) |
| 07:14.16 | cydork | SpeedyG: you can use --list and --listfiles :) |
| 07:14.41 | SpeedyG | cydork: hehe, that almost sounds like the ubuntu-way of solving issues ;) |
| 07:14.47 | SpeedyG | mv->move cp->copy |
| 07:14.48 | SpeedyG | etc ;) |
| 07:14.48 | sorsis | what kind of users run debian nowdays? why haven't they started to use Ubuntu? |
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| 07:14.50 | cydork | SpeedyG: there is no issue? |
| 07:15.18 | yiga1 | sorsis: there doesn't seem to be any advantage in using Ubuntu |
| 07:15.48 | SpeedyG | cydork: sorry wrong choice of words :) |
| 07:15.51 | daveinthesky | the ubuntu installer didn't have drivers for my sata card so there's one reason to use debian :) |
| 07:15.59 | SpeedyG | s/issues/mental\ issues/ |
| 07:16.00 | SpeedyG | ;) |
| 07:16.10 | cydork | !fix SpeedyG |
| 07:16.22 | SpeedyG | jikes! |
| 07:16.40 | yiga1 | I just got a new laptop which has much better specs than my old computer - P4 1.7GHz and it is sooo slow with Vista its making me laugh |
| 07:16.51 | daveinthesky | heheh |
| 07:17.02 | yiga1 | slow compared to using GNOME, which is not a light DM |
| 07:17.22 | SpeedyG | yiga1: remember, its not vista, its your laptop thats slow :D ((c) by M$) |
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| 07:18.17 | yiga1 | SpeedyG: oh, that's right I forgot a dual core processor with 2Gigs of ram is much too slow for a productive working environment |
| 07:18.33 | SpeedyG | yiga1: :]] |
| 07:18.33 | yiga1 | SpeedyG: :) |
| 07:19.07 | dakoo | whats up guys |
| 07:19.15 | dakoo | anyone for dopewars? |
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| 07:20.06 | Walther | ludes! |
| 07:20.27 | yiga1 | meth + shrooms |
| 07:20.49 | SpeedyG | coffee! |
| 07:20.51 | SpeedyG | :D |
| 07:20.53 | daveinthesky | :) |
| 07:21.17 | SpeedyG | oh. rephrase: caffeine and alcohol! :D |
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| 07:22.18 | yiga1 | 10 min. until the amd64 DVD is ripped and I can say goodbye to the Vista and welcome the world |
| 07:22.32 | Walther | yeah! |
| 07:22.42 | yiga1 | :) |
| 07:23.02 | Walther | why dvd? |
| 07:23.18 | yiga1 | Walther: I wanted build-essential it was overkill |
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| 07:23.55 | Walther | i seee |
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| 07:24.16 | yiga1 | Walther: I also don't have wireless working on the beast and I want to have what I will need to get it up, except for the drivers |
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| 07:25.37 | Walther | i am going to bed |
| 07:25.51 | yiga1 | Walther: have an awesome rest |
| 07:26.33 | Walther | i will i'm gonna nunker down and watch 28 weeks later |
| 07:26.54 | yiga1 | Walther: nice, just before bed that's the way to do it :) |
| 07:27.13 | Walther | it's only way to fly |
| 07:27.39 | yiga1 | Walther: now that I have a laptop I can do the same, this rocks |
| 07:28.17 | daveinthesky | i'm on debian/testing amd64 and I can't complain. it's amazing |
| 07:28.20 | Walther | i got smackbook pro it was worth every penny |
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| 07:29.23 | yiga1 | daveinthesky: awesome, good to hear I am going Sid after the etch install, the install begins in roughly 4 minutes |
| 07:30.09 | daveinthesky | my main gripe about macs is the window manager. i have kde configured so that meta-rightclick resizes windows and meta-leftclick moves them around. this is extremely handy.. being able to resize or move windows by clicking anywhere in the window (instead of just the top or corners) |
| 07:30.42 | yiga1 | daveinthesky: I use keybindings usually for this |
| 07:30.51 | yiga1 | which is nice also |
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| 07:30.54 | Walther | daveinthesky: that's my main irritant with os x |
| 07:31.01 | daveinthesky | ;) |
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| 07:31.10 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:31.22 | Walther | and no refresh in Finder |
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| 07:31.34 | Walther | so stupid |
| 07:31.37 | daveinthesky | i'm sure we could go on and on ;) |
| 07:31.45 | tingle | hi is it possible to get my kedia controls like mute and volume up/down working under fluxbox? |
| 07:31.51 | Walther | oh yeah |
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| 07:32.19 | Walther | tingle: apt-ceach search hotkeys |
| 07:32.53 | Walther | it's bitchin' lil proggy if your keybord is supported |
| 07:32.57 | h3sp4wn | daveinthesky: meta being the windows key right ? (or are you using a sun keyboard ?) |
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| 07:35.17 | daveinthesky | h3sp4wn: that's right. i have use a weird keyboard, tho http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm |
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| 07:36.04 | yiga1 | daveinthesky: is that comfortable? |
| 07:36.17 | gpm | 300 bucks!? |
| 07:36.53 | daveinthesky | yiga1: quite so. it only took me about a week to get used to it. other keyboards feel strange now. one advantage is it'll keep cow-orkers away from your station ;) |
| 07:37.47 | yiga1 | dave I'm going show you something on your computer, oh wait never mind I don't know how to use your keyboard :) |
| 07:38.13 | daveinthesky | it's a health thing. i started to notice some slight pain in my wrists so now i try to exercise more and the keyboard does help |
| 07:38.45 | daveinthesky | i do keep a "guest" keyboard around too |
| 07:39.31 | yiga1 | wow, amd64 dvd didn't find my eth card ? |
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| 07:39.52 | daveinthesky | what's lspci say? |
| 07:40.32 | yiga1 | daveinthesky: no idea I'm just doing a rough install right now |
| 07:40.40 | daveinthesky | ic |
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| 07:41.36 | yiga1 | daveinthesky: I just find that interesting, I hope I don't have problems in the future with that |
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| 07:42.30 | dakoo | it might be deprecated |
| 07:43.11 | yiga1 | dakoo: unlikely the laptop is from 06, but it doesn't matter I will get it to work :) |
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| 07:45.10 | dakoo | yiga1: you are probably right, i had a card, realtek, installed etch, worked fine, used the config to ompile 2.6.22 and the network card stopped working, saw that the driver was deprecated |
| 07:45.48 | yiga1 | dakoo: sorry to hear, were you able to do anything about it? |
| 07:46.27 | dakoo | yiga1: oh yeah, they kept the driver in the new kernel, but did not turn it on by default, so i just turned it on and re compiled , worked fine |
| 07:47.04 | dakoo | just tells you that even linux bows down to big companies for their drivers and stuff, i don't see the point in deprecating stuff, just leave it in there, someone will need it |
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| 07:47.56 | yiga1 | dakoo: that is good I was reading Con Kolivas article on why he recently quit kernel development its interesting to think of where the kernel is heading |
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| 07:48.56 | dakoo | yiga1: it's pretty bad, just look at /proc, it is a damn mess, now they are using /sys , thats clean, but i am rather disliking linux, i recently moved to solaris, it's very bad but quite solid |
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| 07:50.21 | yiga1 | dakoo: I would change to openbsd if I wasn't so interested in having some of the latest greatest and having Compiz - so sad |
| 07:50.21 | moshii | dakoo: I care less for the kernel, more for what's on top |
| 07:50.46 | moshii | dakoo: kernel == hardware support to me |
| 07:50.54 | dakoo | moshii: it's gnu that is the core |
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| 07:51.01 | dakoo | gnu is everything |
| 07:51.13 | moshii | dakoo: and BSD.. |
| 07:51.27 | mne | hi, i'm using rssh to limit user accounts to scp/sftp only. This works by using rssh as the user's login shell. if a user tries to log in, the hostname, motd, last login and a rssh message are displayed. I would like to know which file/script is executed that causes the "Last login: ..." message. It it not /etc/profile or some <shell>rc file, since the shell is rssh which does not have such a file. |
| 07:51.28 | pimpu | both of em |
| 07:51.31 | dakoo | bsd is very solid, i love their package system |
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| 07:51.56 | dakoo | i just don't like the slices, they are rather confusing |
| 07:52.09 | moshii | dakoo: I was very interested in the port of Debian to NetBSD, shame it died |
| 07:52.27 | yiga1 | moshii: but freebsd is alive? |
| 07:52.32 | ma3x | how can i set skype to use alsa? |
| 07:52.36 | dakoo | moshii: oh, what happened? |
| 07:52.59 | yiga1 | moshii: freebsd kernel with GNU userland is still an active project |
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| 07:53.01 | moshii | yiga1: Yeah, but FreeBSD as interesting in my opinion |
| 07:53.13 | moshii | yiga1: isn't as |
| 07:53.29 | yiga1 | moshii: what about openbsd kernel with Debian GNU userland ? |
| 07:53.49 | yiga1 | interesting? |
| 07:53.56 | moshii | yiga1: Probably died too, there isn't much interest.. most of the userbase is happy with linux |
| 07:54.18 | dakoo | for jobs and stuff you need to know rpm and debs, i've not seen jobs listed for bsd admins, all i see is redhat crap, and solaris |
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| 07:54.28 | h3sp4wn | moshii: why ? freebsd has zfs ? |
| 07:54.33 | moshii | yiga1: Yes, NetBSD is very portable,.. |
| 07:54.40 | h3sp4wn | moshii: and dtrace |
| 07:54.41 | daveinthesky | how well does debian support .rpm's? I'd like to evangelize debian-based systems at work but the systems group asserts that they've invested heavily into an rpm-based infrastructure (which implies we're stuck with a rh lineage). |
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| 07:55.00 | yiga1 | moshii: true, put it in my coffee maker :) |
| 07:55.12 | moshii | h3sp4wn: that shit doesn't interest me to be honest. It's the sort of stuff that is used by 0.0001% of the userbase |
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| 07:55.20 | yiga1 | moshii: jk |
| 07:55.21 | daveinthesky | the infrastructure in question is mainly the home-brewed rpms.. so it wouldn't be anything like mixing distros |
| 07:55.27 | cast|lir | daveinthesky: one uses alien to convert them to .deb, but me feels thats the path of pain |
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| 07:55.38 | dakoo | daveinthesky: would you like to use alien? |
| 07:55.51 | daveinthesky | dakoo / castillr, thanks :) |
| 07:56.00 | cast|lir | <TAB> |
| 07:56.03 | moshii | yiga1: yes.. but NetBSD/Debian would be very nice on routing hardware etc |
| 07:56.09 | gpm | !beer me |
| 07:56.20 | yiga1 | moshii: yes, definitely |
| 07:56.47 | yiga1 | !beer everyone |
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| 07:57.27 | h3sp4wn | I had one running on a wgt634u and it sucked completely |
| 07:57.52 | h3sp4wn | (and it booted from flash off usb) |
| 07:58.07 | vlt | Hello. What does "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" in CUPS mean? How can I increase the size limit for print jobs? |
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| 07:58.23 | moshii | h3sp4wn: half the problem is that linux is pretty crap for smaller systems |
| 07:58.41 | vlt | The print file is 33 MB, smaller ones are accepted. |
| 07:58.53 | yiga1 | vlt: memory? |
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| 07:59.21 | GuHhH | !ipw3945 |
| 07:59.21 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 07:59.49 | mne | hi, where does the "Last login: ...." message come from when i log into a host using ssh ? I thought it was from profile or <shell>rc, but it is also printed if the user has _no_ login shell at all. |
| 08:00.00 | vlt | yiga1: 2G on the client, 2G on the CUPS server, 300M on the target CUPS machine ... |
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| 08:00.44 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 08:00.49 | dakoo | mne: /var/log/wtmp |
| 08:01.01 | Ramattack | how could I check that if the password of a certificate I have is correct? and of my ca? |
| 08:01.04 | dakoo | mne: it's a bin, use last to read it |
| 08:01.11 | Ramattack | I have used openssl with easy-rsa |
| 08:01.31 | h3sp4wn | moshii: Not really its just Debian is crap for the smaller systems |
| 08:01.32 | mne | dakoo, yeah, i know. but who executes it when logging in ? i guess it's PAM ? |
| 08:02.05 | mne | dakoo, pam also prints the motd |
| 08:02.09 | dakoo | mne: when you find out, let me know, it's probably some inet or init script that starts it |
| 08:02.10 | vlt | yiga1: Does this error message concern the CUPS server itself or the target machine? |
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| 08:03.06 | ada | hi |
| 08:03.16 | moshii | h3sp4wn: By smaller systems i don't really mean storage/ram wise.. I mean systems with less bloated CPU's |
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| 08:03.18 | vlt | The Setup is: 1MB PDF file -> KPDF -> CUPS "client" (8MB print file) -> CUPS server (32MB print file) -> CUPS target w/ printer connected |
| 08:03.20 | ada | can i just install dependency of a pkg, not the pkg itself? |
| 08:03.50 | dakoo | moshii: you mean embedded realtime machines? |
| 08:03.51 | vlt | The problem occuirs on the CUPS server (Debian Sarge). |
| 08:04.09 | moshii | dakoo: I mean machines with a TLB, things like that |
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| 08:04.13 | vlt | The printer is stopped on that machine. |
| 08:04.15 | vlt | Any idea? |
| 08:04.26 | yiga1 | vlt: I am sorry I don't know |
| 08:04.35 | Element14 | is there a way to control what comes up as eth0/1/2 etc? |
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| 08:05.02 | vlt | Element14: /etc/iftab maybe |
| 08:05.42 | Element14 | vlt: what does that do? |
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| 08:05.59 | dakoo | vlt: you looked at localhost:631 and screwed around in there? |
| 08:06.08 | moshii | dakoo: s/with/without |
| 08:06.26 | dakoo | moshii: ah ok, that makes sense |
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| 08:07.54 | dakoo | Element14: you can't do that, the pci bus is read by the kernel and then it is decided which gets called eth0 1 2 3, you can't change that |
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| 08:08.13 | moshii | dakoo: The MMU code in linux did/probably still does grind on 32bit SPARCs.. but no one works on stuff like that because they're far to busy implementing todays lastest and greatest thin. |
| 08:08.23 | moshii | dakoo: s/thin/thing |
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| 08:09.11 | dakoo | moshii: yeah, i talked to a few solaris admins and they get very angry when you say linux on sun box |
| 08:09.23 | dakoo | moshii: it's a big insult for them |
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| 08:09.44 | mne | dakoo, it was in /etc/pam.d/login. pam_lastlog.so print's the message |
| 08:09.47 | Element14 | dakoo: at least i think it's related to the order the nic drivers are loaded... (for cards with different chipsets) |
| 08:10.01 | moshii | dakoo: linux runs fine on those dirty x86 boxes they churn out now |
| 08:10.09 | dakoo | mne: damn, thats excellent, i'll check it out, thanx for that |
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| 08:10.24 | mne | dakoo, this is also interesting: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/546 |
| 08:10.44 | dakoo | Element14: you may be right you know, could you try it out and let m know if yu can change the order? |
| 08:11.17 | Element14 | dakoo: that's (one of) my problems... i think the stuff is loaded by the initrd these days... and i haven't touched initrds before |
| 08:12.23 | moshii | Element14: you can change the ethX assigned to your interfaces.. |
| 08:12.49 | Element14 | and my other problem is that in one machine i have an eepro100 chip, and another intel gigabit card... i suspect e100 eats up eth0 and eth1 thinking it has recognized TWO cards, but eth1 is not functional. |
| 08:13.13 | Element14 | then i load the e1000 driver, and the gigabit card works as eth2... |
| 08:13.32 | dakoo | Element14: i think you can change the order with /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.d |
| 08:14.20 | moshii | Element14: you could blacklist the e100 module |
| 08:14.40 | Element14 | hmm... |
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| 08:15.05 | SkareCrow | Is it possible to set the owner of a file as a group? |
| 08:15.29 | JeremyK | yes. chown takes two arguments, user:group |
| 08:15.38 | SkareCrow | but that sets the user and group |
| 08:15.43 | JeremyK | right |
| 08:15.46 | SkareCrow | i want to know if it is possible to set user as a group |
| 08:15.48 | moshii | Element14: I mean, try blacklisting it, confirm the problem is the e100 driver thinking it's got two cards |
| 08:15.52 | JeremyK | the user and group which owns the file |
| 08:16.06 | SkareCrow | i want more then 1 user to have user privileges on a file |
| 08:16.24 | JeremyK | SkareCrow: then change the user/group ownership and set the user/group permissions accordingly |
| 08:16.27 | JeremyK | !chmod |
| 08:16.28 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <Permissions> |
| 08:16.30 | moshii | SkareCrow: you make a group and add those users to that group |
| 08:16.50 | SkareCrow | i can easily set chmod 770 file |
| 08:17.03 | Element14 | do i need to update initrd after changing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 08:17.11 | SkareCrow | but i only want chmod 700 file and i want multiple people to be the owner and a seperate group for the group |
| 08:17.11 | \amethyst | SkareCrow: You can use setfacl (package acl) if your filesystem supports it |
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| 08:17.39 | JeremyK | SkareCrow: you can't have a chmod 700 file and have the gropu read it. that's kinda the point of the GROUP permissions on the file |
| 08:17.46 | moshii | ... or just create a group and use permissions correctly |
| 08:17.50 | JeremyK | yes. |
| 08:17.54 | JeremyK | that's the best way to do it. |
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| 08:18.16 | SkareCrow | ok, now read my first question... "can i set the owner of a file as a group" |
| 08:18.32 | JeremyK | SkareCrow: yes. chown user:group file |
| 08:18.34 | \amethyst | I don't think I understand that question |
| 08:18.36 | SkareCrow | grr |
| 08:18.43 | SkareCrow | this* |
| 08:18.49 | moshii | SkareCrow: there are two fields for "ownership" a direct user, and a group of users |
| 08:19.06 | ma3x | why od i get this\ |
| 08:19.07 | ma3x | ALSA lib pcm.c:2143:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM skype_device |
| 08:19.17 | moshii | SkareCrow: if you want more that one user to have a certain set of rights over a file/set of files you create a group to contain those users |
| 08:19.18 | GuHhH | does someone has a ipw3945 installed and working on a amd64 plataform? |
| 08:19.25 | SkareCrow | ok say i have 2 groups of users that i want to access a file. is it possible to give different rights on a file to the 2 different groups? |
| 08:19.50 | \amethyst | SkareCrow: with ACLs it is |
| 08:19.52 | JeremyK | SkareCrow: not without extended ACLs. why don't you just make a third group which contains the users from the other two groups |
| 08:20.12 | SkareCrow | but then i won't be able to set different permissions on the files |
| 08:20.29 | JeremyK | sure you can |
| 08:20.32 | SkareCrow | say i want group1 to read / write and group2 to only read |
| 08:20.37 | JeremyK | ok |
| 08:20.48 | JeremyK | that's what the 'others' set of permissions is for |
| 08:20.58 | SkareCrow | but i don't want just anyone reading the file |
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| 08:21.11 | JeremyK | then you need ACLs. |
| 08:21.14 | moshii | JeremyK: others is for everyone.. system wide |
| 08:21.17 | JeremyK | moshii: right |
| 08:21.18 | SkareCrow | i will check it out |
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| 08:21.36 | JeremyK | I was kinda hoping he wouldn't say the last line he said :P |
| 08:21.56 | \amethyst | SkareCrow: setfacl -m m::rw,g:group1:rw,g:group2:r,o::- file |
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| 08:22.12 | moshii | SkareCrow: you can't fudge what you want using the user field as a second group I'm afraid |
| 08:23.03 | \amethyst | SkareCrow: note that it will show up to ls etc as though it had group rw permissions---that field is coopted for the ACL mask |
| 08:23.18 | GuHhH | hey |
| 08:23.20 | GuHhH | ipw3945: disagrees about version of symbol alloc_ieee80211 |
| 08:23.22 | GuHhH | ipw3945: Unknown symbol alloc_ieee80211 |
| 08:23.24 | GuHhH | can anyone help? |
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| 08:23.42 | SkareCrow | actually, just to make this easier |
| 08:24.02 | SkareCrow | can i set a group on a folder so that no one else can read / write / execute anything in that folder |
| 08:24.04 | moshii | GuHhH: you built the module with the wrong kernel headers, or a different compiler than the kernel was built with |
| 08:24.12 | JeremyK | SkareCrow: yes. |
| 08:24.20 | moshii | GuHhH: something along those lines |
| 08:24.21 | xand | SkareCrow: yes, that's what permissions are for ;P |
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| 08:24.29 | SkareCrow | then i could just create a group with the 2 combined groups and set other to +r for group2 |
| 08:24.37 | JeremyK | sure |
| 08:24.57 | JeremyK | and then have group3 have r-x on the directory |
| 08:24.58 | SkareCrow | alright, i will just play around with that |
| 08:25.07 | moshii | It's a directory in the unix world isn't it? |
| 08:25.09 | yiga1 | so I installed amd64 but I cannot add software as /dev/had which is in /etc/fstab is supposed to be my CD/DVD doesn't exist anyone have a suggestion? |
| 08:25.11 | SkareCrow | is there any simple way of combining 2 groups into 1 group? |
| 08:25.24 | JeremyK | SkareCrow: sure. vigr |
| 08:25.27 | SkareCrow | thanks |
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| 08:26.02 | xand | SkareCrow: no, unix is crap like that |
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| 08:29.34 | GuHhH | damn... whats the trick to get ipw3945 working? |
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| 08:30.16 | vin` | GuHhH: what have you done so far? |
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| 08:31.00 | Element14 | dakoo/moshii: the problem seems to be due to debian's very friendly manner of preserving interface names... |
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| 08:31.34 | vin` | GuHhH: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw3945-source is all I have to do. |
| 08:31.40 | GuHhH | vin` compiled ieee80211 package, apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945-source ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) ipw3945d |
| 08:31.46 | GuHhH | i did it |
| 08:32.01 | tingle | how do i get rar working on debian? unrar-free doesnt seem to work |
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| 08:32.33 | JeremyK | add the non-free repository and install 'rar' |
| 08:32.33 | Element14 | in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules there is a line that renames an NIC matching a mac addr to eth2... |
| 08:32.38 | nightfreak | hi, my clock is set to UTC and displays the correct time, but my timezone is CEST, which is UTC+2. how do i adjust this? |
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| 08:33.38 | torgrimt | nightfreak: tzselect |
| 08:33.39 | GuHhH | annoying :) |
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| 08:34.15 | vin` | GuHhH: what error? |
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| 08:36.08 | Coke | I'm trying to make my Debian Etch amd64 run the Flash plugin, a prerequisite for this is the 32-bit version of GTK. As usual with Debian, the package is missing/no installation candidate. Is there a way to make the nspluginwrapper work in Debian Etch? Maybe running the entire browser using linux32 is a better alternative? |
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| 08:38.45 | hark | GuHhH: you shouldn't compile ieee80211... it's already in the kernel |
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| 08:39.07 | psycodad_ | how would i switch my default python interpreter from 2.3 to 2.4 in sarge ? |
| 08:39.16 | kombi | hark: speaking of which, is iptables "recent" in it? |
| 08:39.57 | kombi | or, how do I find out myself? |
| 08:40.00 | streuner | !info python sarge |
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| 08:40.07 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 460 kB |
| 08:40.50 | dimsuz | guys, what's the package to install basic gnome desktop? something like kdebase in kde? apt-get install gnome seems to be too much for me ;) |
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| 08:41.09 | streuner | psycodad_: try to make a backport of sid or lenny or etch (/msg dpkg simple sid backport), but i dont think its that easy... |
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| 08:41.42 | streuner | psycodad_: why not just upgrade to etch? |
| 08:41.54 | streuner | !install gnome |
| 08:41.54 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 08:42.12 | psycodad_ | streuner: there is a std deb for 2.4 installed, but the static link points to 2.3 and if i try to remove 2.3 it tries to remove half of the system. |
| 08:42.15 | dimsuz | streuner: thanks |
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| 08:42.49 | utopia | what file does x read to startup a window manager? like .xinitrc ? |
| 08:42.52 | psycodad_ | streuner: this machine is happy with sarge so far (a minimac) and I haven't felt like updating it yet. And I also don't want it now, but I want to run a PythonCard app |
| 08:43.04 | nightfreak | torgrimt: i want to change the timezone of the system |
| 08:43.05 | ada | no firefox in non-free ? |
| 08:43.06 | streuner | psycodad_: show us the output of "apt-cache policy <package>" in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 08:43.19 | streuner | ada: iceweasel |
| 08:43.27 | streuner | ada: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 08:43.28 | Firefishe | iceweasel...gads |
| 08:43.36 | daveinthesky | heheh |
| 08:43.40 | daveinthesky | i love iceweasel |
| 08:43.42 | tingle | i just installed hotkeys for my laptop keyboard but how do i get it to work some config file or something? |
| 08:43.48 | Firefishe | yeah, me too ;) |
| 08:43.56 | ada | let me reformulate my question: i 'm using some firefox plugin which don't work with iceaweasel. How can i install firefox ? |
| 08:44.14 | streuner | binaries from mozilla? |
| 08:44.20 | ada | powerpc arch |
| 08:44.33 | Firefishe | powerpc...ahh |
| 08:44.44 | psycodad_ | streuner: http://pastebin.ca/742164 |
| 08:44.46 | ada | and got some issue when tryied to compile src |
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| 08:44.53 | ada | so, searching a simplest way |
| 08:44.58 | kombi | where would I find the current standard kernel's configuration? |
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| 08:45.11 | wols | kombi: /boot/config* |
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| 08:45.32 | wols | ada: mozilla.org/.com is the only place |
| 08:45.41 | kombi | thanks wols! |
| 08:46.12 | ada | ok... |
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| 08:47.16 | hark | Coke: as usual? ;) |
| 08:47.21 | Coke | hark: as usual. |
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| 08:47.48 | dakoo | Element14: so no way to change the order of the eth? |
| 08:48.00 | hark | Coke: nspluginwrapper is not in etch, >= lenny only |
| 08:48.05 | Coke | As an almost decade long Debian user I'm OK with using two major versions lower than everybody else, but lately it seems package candidates are missing too. |
| 08:48.20 | Coke | hark: the problem is that gtk32 isn't in Etch |
| 08:48.21 | \amethyst | ada: have you tried setting general.useragent.extra.firefox ? |
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| 08:48.37 | ieldib | Hey everybody |
| 08:48.58 | ieldib | can anyone cat out their default sources.list |
| 08:49.05 | ada | \amethyst: no... |
| 08:49.11 | ieldib | all I have is the security repo |
| 08:49.16 | ieldib | :( |
| 08:49.18 | dakoo | i put my cat out |
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| 08:49.29 | hark | ieldib: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list or /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 08:49.45 | ieldib | thanks |
| 08:49.47 | Coke | hark: when trying to run firefox in 32-bit mode it can't find the gtk2 libs. |
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| 08:50.28 | \amethyst | ada: you might want to try that: go to about:config, search for "firefox", and set the value for general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/2.0.0.6 (or whatever your version is) |
| 08:50.43 | \amethyst | ada: I'm not certain that will fool plugins/extensions, but it's worth a shot |
| 08:51.09 | ada | hum..sounds very interesting, thanks a lot \amethyst |
| 08:51.17 | xtor | My nautilus is totally fucked up..it keeps crashing and asking me to restart nautilus, even after rebooting it keeps doing that. How can I fix it? |
| 08:51.28 | xtor | http://i23.tinypic.com/2wp185x.png |
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| 08:52.04 | Coke | xtor: why would a reboot help? |
| 08:52.16 | Coke | This isn't Windows. |
| 08:52.56 | dakoo | who said reboot? |
| 08:53.13 | dakoo | this is a federal offense here |
| 08:53.14 | Coke | dakoo: read. |
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| 08:53.25 | xtor | yeah well it was acting like windows...so I thought hey since I am in the twilight zone, why not try an M$ cure |
| 08:53.32 | Coke | xtor: try starting nautilus in a terminal, it might tell you something interresting. |
| 08:53.41 | yiga1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.45 | Coke | xtor: because it will never work for a gnu/linux system. |
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| 08:54.43 | dakoo | xtor: listen to Coke, thats excellent advice |
| 08:55.15 | xtor | Coke I cant STOP nautilus...thats the problem |
| 08:55.18 | xtor | it just wont leave me alone |
| 08:55.27 | Coke | xtor: it's part of the gnome session, I suspect. |
| 08:55.47 | Coke | If you enter the settings for your session manager you can probably set nautilus to not respawn. |
| 08:56.25 | Firefishe | when you're on the open source way...take some time every day...RTFM along the way...smooth out that code and ./sh <program> away --BurmaOS Shave |
| 08:56.34 | Coke | xtor: what system are you running? |
| 08:56.44 | xtor | etch 64 bit |
| 08:56.51 | Coke | Ohh. Same as me. |
| 08:57.30 | Coke | xtor: right, well, the problem with the restarting nautilus is most likely the session manager. I don't use one myself, but you probably got it when installing the gnome desktop. |
| 08:58.05 | streuner | psycodad_: python 2.4 is in sarge... |
| 08:58.08 | Coke | xtor: just ignore that crash window, get into the session settings and change the settings for nautilus. |
| 08:58.37 | xtor | session settings for gnome? |
| 08:58.52 | Coke | xtor: what desktop are you running? |
| 08:58.57 | xtor | gnome |
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| 08:59.01 | Coke | xtor: well then... |
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| 09:00.29 | streuner | dpkg info python2.4 sarge |
| 09:00.32 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3416 kB, Installed size: 11176 kB |
| 09:00.46 | Coke | dpkg info python2.5 |
| 09:00.53 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 3012 kB, Installed size: 10304 kB |
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| 09:01.49 | Coke | xtor: are you done changing the settings yet? |
| 09:02.09 | xtor | yeah |
| 09:02.17 | Coke | xtor: did it stop restarting? |
| 09:02.25 | xtor | now I cant see anything that was on my desktop. yes it stopped restarting |
| 09:02.31 | xtor | But my desktop is empty |
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| 09:02.34 | Coke | nautilus handles the destkop |
| 09:02.36 | Coke | desktop |
| 09:02.51 | xtor | hrmm so nautilus croaked |
| 09:02.56 | xtor | I can't fix it? |
| 09:02.59 | Coke | xtor: see, the desktop systems on GNU are all modular. the panel is one program, the desktop another, etc. |
| 09:03.08 | Coke | xtor: start a terminal and fire up nautilus from it. |
| 09:03.22 | xtor | Ok but evidently nautilus worked fine for a couple of weeks |
| 09:03.30 | xtor | now its dead..inexplicably |
| 09:03.48 | Coke | Inexplicably because you haven't investigated the reason properly. |
| 09:04.08 | Coke | We'll see what it says before crashing. |
| 09:04.41 | ada | \amethyst: your tips works ! thanks a lot... :) |
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| 09:06.34 | Coke | xtor: do you know how to start nautilus from a terminal? |
| 09:06.51 | xtor | coke...just type in nautilus & perhaps? |
| 09:06.58 | Coke | xtor: no need for & |
| 09:07.18 | Coke | xtor: the last lines of output are the important |
| 09:07.27 | xtor | ok I restarted it and now it has gone into a perpetual cycle yet again |
| 09:07.42 | xtor | SWFDEC: ERROR: swfdec_bits.c(120): swfdec_bits_get_u16: reading past end of buffer |
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| 09:07.53 | xtor | SWFDEC: ERROR: swfdec_bits.c(120): swfdec_bits_get_u16: reading past end of buffer |
| 09:07.59 | xtor | oops |
| 09:08.05 | xtor | ** ERROR **: file swfdec_bits.c: line 120 (swfdec_bits_get_u16): should not be reached |
| 09:08.05 | xtor | aborting... |
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| 09:08.18 | xtor | my memory is crapped out? |
| 09:09.00 | Coke | xtor: no, seems like a bug in nautilus. |
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| 09:09.08 | asdzxc_ | hi |
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| 09:09.18 | asdzxc_ | little OT question: can i connect SATAII HDD to SATA disk bus ? |
| 09:09.18 | xtor | but this bug...was not bugging me until tonight |
| 09:09.23 | asdzxc_ | will it work ? |
| 09:09.25 | xtor | and I ran gnome for 2 weeks at least |
| 09:09.30 | Coke | xtor: it's the flash library |
| 09:09.35 | niru | hi all |
| 09:10.14 | Coke | xtor: you might have tried viewing a flash file in nautilus and now it's croaking. |
| 09:10.17 | \amethyst | xtor: do you have a .swf file on your desktop? |
| 09:12.14 | Coke | xtor: I don't think that free flash player works. |
| 09:12.18 | xtor | yeah I was viewing a swf file |
| 09:12.26 | Coke | xtor: I certainly haven't been able to use it on any website. |
| 09:12.29 | \amethyst | probably a bug in swfdec then |
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| 09:12.43 | xtor | Coke and yes in fact I did extract an .swf file from a an archive to my desktop so that I could later "deal with it" |
| 09:12.45 | the_sniff | how can i create a network share for a specific ip? |
| 09:12.48 | \amethyst | xtor: is this etch or lenny? |
| 09:12.56 | xtor | this is etch 64 bit |
| 09:13.07 | xtor | better delete that swf |
| 09:13.31 | Coke | xtor: so you'll be satisfied knowing that your machine is the only one in the modern world incapable of viewing flash files? :) |
| 09:14.15 | xtor | Coke yeah I was planning to fix that by reinstalling i386 etch..and then upgrading to a 64 bit kernel |
| 09:14.24 | xtor | someone told me that would allow me to retain my 32 bit libraries |
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| 09:14.34 | xtor | and have working flash of course |
| 09:15.03 | Coke | xtor: even if you managed to switch architectures mid-through, it sounds like an akward way of doing it. |
| 09:15.06 | \amethyst | xtor: you could also debootstrap an i386 chroot, then run iceweasel etc from that chroot |
| 09:15.13 | Coke | xtor: if you're about to reinstall anyway, try the latest Ubuntu. |
| 09:15.47 | Coke | xtor: appearantly, using nswrapperplugin, you can run the 32-bit Adobe Flash player in any nsplugin compatible browser. |
| 09:15.51 | xtor | 32 bit or 64 bit ubuntu? |
| 09:15.55 | Coke | xtor: 64. |
| 09:16.04 | fluxdude | anyone know how I can stop my linux laptop from beeping on errors? It triggers the motherboard beep. It's driving me nuts cos it even beeps when gdm starts, when it reboots, when I press tab to command complete...! |
| 09:16.12 | wols | !beep |
| 09:16.12 | dpkg | beep is probably /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 09:16.15 | xtor | hrmm...does that ubuntu give you a 32 bit iceweasel to play with? |
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| 09:16.43 | Coke | xtor: no, like I said, you use the nswrapperplugin to run 32-bit plugins if there are no 64-bit versiona available. |
| 09:16.46 | xtor | why choose ubuntu over debian, any reason? |
| 09:16.51 | Coke | xtor: it works |
| 09:17.05 | xtor | hrmm and doesnt debian also work? Ignoring my last disaster... |
| 09:17.21 | Coke | xtor: or rather, the solutions I've found for nswrapperplugin and running 32-bit code in general on a 64-bit machine, only applies to Ubuntu. |
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| 09:17.56 | xtor | well from what i have heard..ubuntu and debian are pretty much identical except there are more packages available for debian...so why downgrade? |
| 09:18.22 | Coke | xtor: because it works. also, I think Ubuntu has more packages. |
| 09:18.28 | ice63 | right |
| 09:19.03 | \amethyst | xtor: the latest release of Ubuntu is more recent than the latest release of debian |
| 09:19.03 | dalias | why are ppl seeking ubuntu support here? |
| 09:19.03 | Coke | xtor: even if it doesn't, the number of packages are useless unless they work. |
| 09:19.03 | xtor | dalias I am not |
| 09:19.05 | \amethyst | xtor: However, since your bug is still open in Ubuntu (109992), I don't know that that will fix your problem |
| 09:19.05 | Coke | xtor: nevermind them, just be pragmatic. you might get it working on Debian testing/unstable too. |
| 09:19.24 | Coke | \amethyst: because he will be able to use firefox to play flash |
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| 09:19.57 | xtor | Coke the firefox fix in ubuntu has intrigued me though...I think I will try ubuntu |
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| 09:20.40 | Tr0gd0r | anyway to kick a user from ssh? |
| 09:20.41 | Coke | xtor: oh, if you find your way back to freenode after that, please tell me if it worked like the howto's suggested. |
| 09:20.46 | petemc | Tr0gd0r: slay |
| 09:20.55 | Tr0gd0r | -sh: slay: command not found |
| 09:20.57 | Coke | Tr0gd0r: kill his terminal :) |
| 09:21.05 | petemc | !installit |
| 09:21.05 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 09:21.13 | xtor | Coke I got my dual boot...I will find my way back here |
| 09:21.20 | Tr0gd0r | i dont want to kill all his processes |
| 09:21.24 | Tr0gd0r | i just want him to logout |
| 09:21.25 | Tr0gd0r | lol |
| 09:21.31 | Coke | Tr0gd0r: that will send a HUP to all children |
| 09:21.40 | xtor | http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ <--- I see the skype package for 7.04 fiesty fawn...but the latest distro is 7.10 so will that still work with skype? |
| 09:21.46 | Tr0gd0r | tr0gd0r@sp00n:~$ apt-cache search slay |
| 09:21.46 | Tr0gd0r | slay - Kills all of the user's processes |
| 09:21.50 | Coke | Tr0gd0r: he would have had to start the kids using nohup or if they are running like demons |
| 09:21.54 | \amethyst | xtor: why are you asking that here? |
| 09:22.04 | Coke | \amethyst: he had a problem with Etch at first. |
| 09:22.29 | \amethyst | Coke: That doesn't explain asking whether skype will work with gutsy in #debian |
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| 09:22.50 | xtor | amethyst cuz ubuntu was just recommended to me as a distro. |
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| 09:22.57 | Coke | \amethyst: true that is. |
| 09:22.57 | what_if | anybody wanna help me pls? telnet to 69.178.110.102:3600 when connected type /n "YOUR-NICK" I need to test a convers server :) |
| 09:22.57 | \amethyst | xtor: so join #ubuntu |
| 09:23.14 | Coke | xtor: they probably know more about it in #ubuntu |
| 09:23.30 | moshii | xtor: We don't like your sort round ere! |
| 09:23.41 | Coke | xtor: nevermind them. |
| 09:24.06 | Tr0gd0r | backports.org doesnt work with lenny does it? |
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| 09:24.27 | wols | Tr0gd0r: testing backports don't make much sense |
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| 09:24.45 | Coke | what_if: nothing happens. |
| 09:24.47 | what_if | whya are people reluctnant to telnet into someone else's machine ?? |
| 09:24.48 | kombi | which package am I missing agian when make menuconfig won't start? |
| 09:25.01 | what_if | Coke: did it connect ?? error ? |
| 09:25.06 | wols | kombi: curses |
| 09:25.12 | Coke | what_if: just says "Access to channel 0 has been removed from this server." |
| 09:25.16 | kombi | thanks again wols! |
| 09:25.18 | Coke | what_if: then nothing. I type, nothing happens. |
| 09:25.49 | what_if | oh, you must identify first type" /n [your-nickname] |
| 09:26.03 | \amethyst | what_if: works for me, "There are 3 users online" |
| 09:26.36 | what_if | \amethyst: UB foobar :) |
| 09:26.47 | \amethyst | yes |
| 09:26.48 | Coke | Sry, I gotta do some work. This episode of "adapting 64-bit Debian stable to the 21st century" has failed. |
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| 09:27.22 | what_if | \amethyst: thanks you... it works!! yay ! |
| 09:27.48 | what_if | Coke: any luck yet ? |
| 09:27.53 | \amethyst | why is nspluginwrapper in contrib, anyway? |
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| 09:29.37 | SlimG2 | Is there any books out on Debian 4.0 ? |
| 09:29.46 | \amethyst | "only useful with non-free software" isn't quite right... it could also be useful for free software with pervasive assumptions of 32-bitness that make it hard to port |
| 09:31.22 | Malmsdoom | does anyone know when gnome 2.20 will be in testing? (because i need a special feature) |
| 09:31.23 | Coke | \amethyst: the problem is that Etch does not have 32-bit versions of GTK |
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| 09:31.57 | \amethyst | Coke: That doesn't explain why it would be in contrib |
| 09:32.08 | Eulex | Coke, in the amd64 arch, you mean? |
| 09:32.15 | Eulex | Malmsdoom, when it's ready. |
| 09:32.20 | Coke | Eulex: yep. |
| 09:32.40 | \amethyst | I mean, if ndiswrapper is in main, why not nspluginwrapper? |
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| 09:33.09 | Malmsdoom | Eulex: hmm, doesnt answer the question... |
| 09:33.30 | Eulex | Malmsdoom, what special feature do you need? |
| 09:34.03 | Eulex | Malmsdoom, in any case, read up on how it is decided that a package should move from unstable to testing |
| 09:35.46 | Malmsdoom | Eulex: ah ok thx...there i a better solution for the keyring-manager in 2.20 which will improve my work-flow, because I use a lot of large passwords |
| 09:36.51 | Eulex | !tell Malmsdoom about why is gnome-keyring-manager not in testing |
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| 09:37.08 | torgrimt | hmm ;) |
| 09:37.22 | torgrimt | !tell torgrimt about why is gnome-keyring-manager not in testing |
| 09:37.22 | Coke | Eulex: can you make dpkg tell me why 32-bit gtk isn't in Etch amd64? |
| 09:37.45 | Eulex | Coke, no |
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| 09:38.09 | \amethyst | Coke: because it didn't make it in before the freeze? |
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| 09:38.37 | Coke | \amethyst: that's silly. that would make Debian Etch amd64 unusable for anybody surfing on the Internet after 1990. |
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| 09:38.49 | \amethyst | Coke: That's not how stable works, though |
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| 09:39.10 | Coke | \amethyst: you don't think they'd wait for it to be complete? |
| 09:39.16 | Eulex | Coke, and doesn't the devs need to do special things to get in 32-bit versions of libraries into amd64? I mean, they're not built automatically when they request the building of a 64-bit package, right? |
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| 09:39.42 | Eulex | Coke, there are so many things they could wait for to make it complete that they could wait forever. and then there would be no release. |
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| 09:39.45 | Coke | Eulex: I don't know the procedure for 64-bit systems. |
| 09:40.05 | Coke | Eulex: yeah, the olde "broken or outdated" dilemma. |
| 09:40.36 | et | saying that the web is "unusable" without flash is kind of funny |
| 09:40.49 | ook_male | i got problem with installing debian etch version.. actually i already install many debian for PC, but right now i got problem with choosing mirror server, i got "Bad archive error", The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror. <--- i got that error, i choose Indonesia, then debian.indika.net.id, i tried kebo.vlsm.org too but still problem :( |
| 09:41.11 | Eulex | Coke, fyi there is no 32-bit gtk in any debian release. |
| 09:41.13 | Coke | et: hey, I'm not a web designer, I prefer text/html, unfortunately the rest of the world does not. |
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| 09:41.25 | \amethyst | Eulex: you mean any 64-bit debian release? |
| 09:41.38 | Eulex | \amethyst, yeah. |
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| 09:42.03 | ook_male | what i must to do? or maybe there is problem connecting to internet? how to check the internet connection while installation? |
| 09:42.05 | Malmsdoom | thx for the info, in future i know where i havt to look for :) |
| 09:42.06 | Coke | Eulex: Hm. That's not good at all. |
| 09:42.08 | ruben | Hello, if I have an mbox files with mail, how can I use now procmail on it to move mail with it's specified folder? |
| 09:42.30 | Coke | Eulex: there's a package name "ia32-libs-gtk" which no longer has a candidate. |
| 09:42.41 | \amethyst | Coke: it's in lenny and sid |
| 09:42.42 | Coke | ruben: you use procmail before it's delivered. |
| 09:43.11 | petemc | ruben: you could open it with mutt, and tag/move mail where you want |
| 09:43.13 | ruben | Coke: can't I use it if it is delivered now? |
| 09:43.22 | ook_male | any help? |
| 09:43.33 | ruben | petemc: yes, but it's lot of mails :( |
| 09:43.35 | petemc | ruben: you can use formail from procmail to reprocess it, if you dont want to use mutt |
| 09:43.36 | Coke | ruben: procmail is used with your MTA |
| 09:43.38 | \amethyst | Coke: there is a third-party backport out there: http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 09:43.43 | ook_male | or should i change my nickname to ook_female hehe ;) |
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| 09:43.50 | et | Coke: i never needed flash when i used the web for working ... you only need it for procrastinating ;) |
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| 09:44.15 | Eulex | \amethyst, ah. stupid me, looked for libgtk2.0-0-i386 or similar |
| 09:44.18 | Coke | \amethyst: I saw it. The -only- reason I'm using Debian is because I don't have to use unverified sources. |
| 09:44.40 | Coke | et: maybe you don't need to use websites made by corporations. |
| 09:44.43 | \amethyst | *shrug*, there's a reason I run unstable :) |
| 09:44.52 | Coke | \amethyst: well. outdated or broken. |
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| 09:45.03 | et | actually, i did quite ofen |
| 09:45.18 | Coke | I ran unstable for many years, then switched to testing. It wasn't stable enough for me either, so I thought stable would be my choice. |
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| 09:45.49 | Coke | et: I can't enter the websites needed now anyway. |
| 09:45.52 | \amethyst | the brokenness of testing varies greatly through the release cycle |
| 09:46.03 | Coke | \amethyst: I just want it to work. |
| 09:46.44 | ruben | well thanks people |
| 09:46.50 | Coke | My high ideals can't feed the need to use Debian anymore, I think I'm becoming pragmatic. |
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| 09:47.52 | Eulex | Coke, you might want to aim your complaints towards adobe instead. |
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| 09:47.56 | petemc | Coke: debian is pragmatic |
| 09:48.14 | petemc | Coke: you're trying to use a 64 bit desktop? |
| 09:48.22 | Coke | Eulex: it's easier for me just to switch. |
| 09:48.31 | Coke | petemc: yes. |
| 09:48.47 | petemc | Coke: i dont see that as pragmatic |
| 09:48.52 | Eulex | Coke, why are you insisting on running a 64-bit desktop, btw? |
| 09:48.59 | \amethyst | Does Flash work on 64-bit Windows? |
| 09:49.07 | petemc | i dont believe so |
| 09:49.20 | petemc | its recommended not to use 64 bit windows for "desktop" use |
| 09:49.36 | Coke | petemc: using Debian Etch amd64 isn't pragmatic. |
| 09:49.47 | Coke | Eulex: because I have a 64-bit system. |
| 09:50.01 | Eulex | Coke, if you don't have 3+gb ram, there is no reason to do that. |
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| 09:50.12 | Eulex | Coke, performance improvements are minimal, btw. |
| 09:50.18 | \amethyst | Even if you do have 3+GB of ram, that's no reason to use a 64-bit userspace |
| 09:50.19 | petemc | if not non existant |
| 09:50.20 | SlimG2 | Is there any books out on Debian 4.0 ? |
| 09:50.24 | petemc | sometimes its a negative |
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| 09:50.48 | Eulex | \amethyst, true |
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| 09:50.53 | \amethyst | unless you want to run a single process that uses over 3GB of address space |
| 09:51.14 | daveinthesky | like.. say.. 3d graphics / rendering? |
| 09:51.44 | Coke | Eulex: so basically, AMD's switch to 64-bit is useless? 3/4 of their sales are for desktops. |
| 09:51.59 | streuner | SlimG2: plenty, just search for "Debian" at amazon |
| 09:52.00 | \amethyst | Coke: Desktops that are mostly running 32-bit versions of Windows |
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| 09:52.18 | Coke | I get it. Debian doesn't do 64-bit desktop stuff well, so now 64-bit archs are completely useless for desktop usage. |
| 09:52.22 | odot | how can I install the man page for gcc. |
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| 09:52.26 | martin_ | Eulex: a 32 bit processr can address up to 4Gb of RAM |
| 09:52.35 | streuner | odot: they are in non-free |
| 09:52.39 | \amethyst | Coke: What's the problem with 64-bit other than Flash? |
| 09:52.40 | petemc | Coke: your attitude stinks, try reading what people are telling you |
| 09:52.49 | Eulex | martin_, right, but iirc linux splits it 3/1 between userspace and kernel. |
| 09:52.50 | odot | streuner: what is the package name? |
| 09:52.54 | odot | man gcc |
| 09:52.54 | odot | No manual entry for gcc |
| 09:52.56 | SlimG2 | streuner: Can't find any 4.0 books there, 3.1 Bible |
| 09:53.02 | Eulex | !b-e odot |
| 09:53.02 | dpkg | odot: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:53.04 | Coke | petemc: yes, -my- attitude stinks. just because it doesn't work in Debian you are now dismissing the use of 64-bit archs for desktops entirely. |
| 09:53.09 | SlayerXP | Eulex: errrm, no |
| 09:53.09 | odot | I have build-essential |
| 09:53.19 | petemc | Coke: again, you're not reading whats being said |
| 09:53.19 | odot | what is the package name for gcc man page |
| 09:53.34 | Eulex | SlayerXP, was it 2/2? |
| 09:53.46 | \amethyst | Coke: The problem isn't 64-bit debian, it's using 32-bit-only proprietary software with 64-bit debian |
| 09:54.00 | \amethyst | s/debian$/debian etch/ |
| 09:54.01 | Coke | \amethyst: no, it's running -any- 32-bit software using GTK. |
| 09:54.01 | Eulex | Coke, which will be a problem regardless of distro |
| 09:54.05 | Coke | \amethyst: no. |
| 09:54.12 | Coke | Eulex: ehrm, meant for you; no. |
| 09:54.28 | \amethyst | Coke: Have you tried a chroot? |
| 09:54.32 | Coke | Eulex: it works well enough in both Red Hat and Ubuntu. |
| 09:54.36 | daveinthesky | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 09:54.56 | streuner | SlimG2: The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques - The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques by Martin Krafft |
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| 09:55.07 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 09:55.27 | Haris | etch doesn't have tc. How do I install it? Any alternatives? |
| 09:55.37 | Dewi | Coke: are you running 64 bit archs of those? |
| 09:55.41 | daveinthesky | Coke: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
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| 09:55.57 | odot | what is the package name for gcc man page? |
| 09:55.59 | Eulex | Coke, from what I've heard, there is no reason for you to run a 64-bit kernel and userspace. if you run debian i386, stuff will work perfectly for you out of the box, without you having to do anything special for getting flash installed. |
| 09:56.03 | Haris | tcng? |
| 09:56.04 | \amethyst | odot: gcc-doc |
| 09:56.26 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.27 | dpkg | You Fool! $(which tc) is installed! |
| 09:56.27 | petemc | iproute: /sbin/tc |
| 09:56.29 | Coke | Eulex: or I can run Ubuntu amd64 and make it work anyway. |
| 09:56.32 | odot | \amethyst: thanks |
| 09:56.32 | Eulex | Coke, in any case, what you're whining about is that there is no 32-bit gtk in amd64 debian by default. you're totally free to build one yourself, though. |
| 09:56.52 | \amethyst | Eulex: in amd64 etch that is |
| 09:56.54 | Coke | Eulex: or be pragmatic and just switch to a stable repos which includes it. |
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| 09:57.01 | streuner | SlimG2: What do you need, some book how to install or deeper into the sytem? |
| 09:57.08 | daveinthesky | Coke: it's true. unless you're running a really high-end server w/ 16gigs of ram or rendering huge 3d environments for film, you probably don't need a 64bit userland (since it'll just make things harder on you) |
| 09:57.15 | Haris | # ./traffic-shape1.sh |
| 09:57.15 | Haris | ./traffic-shape1.sh: line 16: tc: command not found |
| 09:57.28 | Coke | daveinthesky: I've already been through this. 64-bit desktops aren't useless just because Debian amd64 doesn't do it very well. |
| 09:57.31 | Haris | # /sbin/tc |
| 09:57.31 | Haris | -bash: /sbin/tc: No such file or directory |
| 09:57.31 | Dewi | Coke: or stop trying to run 32bit apps in 64bit and then complaining nobody is taking 64bit seriously, when you are clearly not taking it seriously because you are not running 64bit software |
| 09:57.33 | Eulex | !tell Haris about search |
| 09:57.48 | SlimG2 | streuner: Deeper knowlege of Debian, the book you refered to seems to be that kind of book, thanks :) |
| 09:57.55 | Haris | I did a apt-cache search tc|more |
| 09:58.01 | Eulex | Coke, they aren't useless, but there are usually no advantages compared to a 32-bit one. |
| 09:58.12 | petemc | Haris: read the search factoid |
| 09:58.16 | Eulex | Haris, then go on and search for the binary. |
| 09:58.17 | Dewi | Eulex: there sure won't be any for running 32bit binaries |
| 09:58.20 | Coke | But I have a 64-bit system now and I want to run it in 64-bit EXCEPT for one or two things I need to run in 32-bit. |
| 09:58.31 | streuner | SlimG2: the author is DD ;-) |
| 09:58.33 | Eulex | Coke, why? |
| 09:58.35 | Dewi | Coke: did you read the page? |
| 09:58.50 | Dewi | Coke: did you try ia32-libs ? |
| 09:58.56 | Coke | Just because Debian doesn't handle it doesn't mean it's a retarded idea. I'll just switch to Ubuntu (or any of the others that seem to have good suport for 64-bit archs with 32-bit support). |
| 09:58.58 | daveinthesky | Coke: that's not the system's fault. It's the fault of those 1 or 2 apps |
| 09:59.00 | Coke | Dewi: yes. |
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| 09:59.10 | \amethyst | Dewi: ia32-libs won't work because Coke needs 32-bit gtk |
| 09:59.12 | petemc | Coke: bitching on irc doesnt full under anmy definition of pragmatism |
| 09:59.29 | Coke | daveinthesky: Yeah, that makes it all better. |
| 09:59.33 | Eulex | Coke, now you're avoiding questions. |
| 09:59.35 | daveinthesky | Coke: once you have a chroot you can build or install yourself a 32-bit gtk |
| 09:59.43 | SlimG2 | streuner: DD ? |
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| 10:00.07 | Coke | daveinthesky: if I wanted to build stuff I'd run gentoo. |
| 10:00.10 | Dewi | Coke: I guess debian sucks because it doesn't run "everything in the world" by default. Go compile the environment you want |
| 10:00.13 | Eulex | Coke, sure, it's not a retarded idea. but that doesn't mean that there are any advantages for _you_ to run it. |
| 10:00.18 | Coke | Dewi: that's not what I said. |
| 10:00.58 | Dewi | Coke: there are so many ways to solve this problem |
| 10:01.13 | dalias | the best way would be not running proprietary crapware |
| 10:01.16 | \amethyst | Installing Ubuntu may well be the easiest of those ways |
| 10:01.25 | daveinthesky | Coke: once you have a 32bit chroot you can apt-get install anything :) |
| 10:01.33 | dalias | notice what the real problem is here: proprietary software locking you into an arch and making it difficult/impossible to use the arch you want |
| 10:01.34 | daveinthesky | Coke: and you'll get the 32bit ones |
| 10:01.44 | streuner | SlimG2: Debian Developer |
| 10:01.50 | Coke | daveinthesky: sounds like it's a lot easier to just run everything through linux32 |
| 10:01.54 | ook_male | i got problem with my debian installation.. so there is search ipt.aol.com on /etc/resolv.conf, after i remove it, now i can ping website (ex: google.com), that make the problem i can not update from debian mirror |
| 10:02.10 | Eulex | Coke, ... which is what we're trying to tell you. |
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| 10:02.26 | ook_male | now, how to update debian mirror, include security update inside? |
| 10:02.38 | ook_male | *from inside |
| 10:02.45 | SlimG2 | streuner: Oh, I figured that he'd have to be to write such a book :) |
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| 10:03.10 | cab_ | hi all |
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| 10:03.22 | Coke | Eulex: no, you're telling me to rebuild, chroot, what not. |
| 10:03.24 | Haris | iproute isn't installed |
| 10:03.49 | cab_ | evryone know how to add a mail alias for postfix , without a system login ? |
| 10:03.58 | \amethyst | Eulex: he already rejected the idea of using an unofficial ia32-libs-gtk backport |
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| 10:04.38 | Coke | \amethyst: the point of using Debian, for me, has always been that it has everything in one, trusted repository. |
| 10:04.51 | Dewi | Coke: then don't run shit from outside that repository, on the wrong arch |
| 10:04.58 | Dewi | Coke: and expect it to "just work" |
| 10:05.01 | \amethyst | Coke: So you got Flash from that one trusted repository? |
| 10:05.05 | Coke | Dewi: I'm not expecting it to "just work". |
| 10:05.17 | Coke | \amethyst: "has always been" |
| 10:05.36 | Coke | \amethyst: unfortunately, I cannot choose what I can avoid in my work. |
| 10:05.39 | Eulex | Coke, flash is downloaded from adobe's home page and then it is installed. you do only get the wrapper for installing it on debian from the debian repo. |
| 10:05.45 | Dewi | \amethyst: always means "except for when the opposite occurs" |
| 10:05.53 | Coke | Eulex: no, the wrapper is not available in the Etch repos |
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| 10:06.20 | \amethyst | Coke: Eulex is talking about a different 'wrapper' there |
| 10:06.24 | Coke | Eulex: nor is the needed libraries to run firefox in 32-bit mode. |
| 10:06.28 | xlotlu | can i simply boot a 64b kernel on my i386 and run everything as usual? |
| 10:06.29 | Coke | \amethyst: which one? |
| 10:06.45 | \amethyst | Coke: the flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 10:06.47 | Coke | xlotlu: don't you mean the other way around? |
| 10:06.48 | Dewi | xlotlu: don't think so |
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| 10:07.03 | xlotlu | Coke: nope |
| 10:07.05 | Dewi | xlotlu: it's not all binary-compatible |
| 10:07.10 | Coke | \amethyst: there's no such package in etch |
| 10:07.10 | \amethyst | xlotlu: What do you mean by "on my i386"? |
| 10:07.39 | Dewi | xlotlu: also the way you asked that question it sounded like you are using a 32bit cpu |
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| 10:07.47 | \amethyst | Coke: it's in contrib, and it's not in the amd64 arch |
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| 10:07.56 | Dewi | Coke: my etch seems to have that package |
| 10:08.01 | Dewi | 'flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 10:08.02 | xlotlu | Dewi: yes i am |
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| 10:08.21 | Dewi | xlotlu: ... right. Well obviously nothing 64bit will run on a 32bit only CPU |
| 10:08.31 | xlotlu | i want to debootsrap my what-will-soon be amd64 system but keep working on this one until i get it set up |
| 10:08.53 | Coke | \amethyst: mhm. the end of the story is this; it's less work for me to just switch to a dist that has all these things neetly packaged for amd64. |
| 10:08.55 | Dewi | xlotlu: well your i386 system will work fine on a 64bit CPU |
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| 10:09.08 | Dewi | xlotlu: in fact it will probably run more painlessly |
| 10:09.09 | \amethyst | Coke: than it is for you to use two packages from an unofficial repository? |
| 10:09.12 | \amethyst | Coke: then have fun |
| 10:09.14 | Dewi | xlotlu: there are a few lingering issues with 64bit |
| 10:09.18 | xlotlu | Dewi: that i know :) but i don't have that 64b systme yet |
| 10:09.55 | Coke | \amethyst: the solution is readily available in Ubuntu and Red Hat without adding any 3rd party sources. |
| 10:10.08 | Dewi | Coke: but they suck |
| 10:10.14 | Coke | Dewi: why? |
| 10:10.16 | Dewi | Coke: partly for that reason |
| 10:10.23 | \amethyst | Coke: and it will be available in the next version of Debian |
| 10:10.25 | Coke | Oh, they -work- therefore they suck. |
| 10:10.30 | \amethyst | Dewi: are you saying lenny will suck? |
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| 10:10.39 | xlotlu | hmm, guess i could nfs mount the hdd on my 64b laptop, and debootstrap it there |
| 10:10.46 | Coke | \amethyst: then I'll upgrade this workstation to the next version of Debian. Meanwhile, the new desktops will run Ubuntu. |
| 10:10.53 | Dewi | \amethyst: it will if it includes adobe flash in the official repos |
| 10:11.00 | Dewi | \amethyst: as Coke almost seems to be suggesting |
| 10:11.05 | Coke | Dewi: no I'm not. |
| 10:11.06 | \amethyst | Dewi: flash doesn't count as a 3rd-party source, you see |
| 10:11.12 | \amethyst | s/flash/adobe/ |
| 10:11.16 | Eulex | xlotlu, if you do not have special reasons (Coke does not), you do not want to be running an amd64 debian on a desktop. |
| 10:11.22 | Coke | Dewi: I'm suggesting I want prepackaged support to run 32-bit crap on 64-bit systems. |
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| 10:12.14 | dalias | i'm suggesting that it's not debian's job to bend over backwards for proprietary software |
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| 10:12.27 | Coke | xlotlu: they are fiercly advocating that 64-bit desktops are useless because Debian currently has bad support for it. |
| 10:12.37 | marinosi | Does anybody know any good software for wifi links emulation etc? |
| 10:12.54 | Dewi | Coke: no, we are advocating that running 64bit when you don't have source is stupid when you appear to have no reason whatsoever for putting yourself through the pain |
| 10:13.00 | Coke | dalias: getting a few 32-bit versions of common libraries available in the 64-bit systems is most likely an automated story. |
| 10:13.13 | xlotlu | Coke: let them advocate. somebody has to do the testing before the issues get fixed.. right? |
| 10:13.15 | Coke | Dewi: it's only painful if you're a Debian user. |
| 10:13.17 | Eulex | Coke, it's not. |
| 10:13.30 | petemc | Coke: how many people do you know run 64bit windows? |
| 10:13.32 | Dewi | Coke: it's painful just thinking about it |
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| 10:13.52 | Eulex | xlotlu, testing debian amd64 won't get you a 64-bit flashplayer. |
| 10:13.58 | Coke | petemc: I don't know. I haven't made it my business to find out what OS people run at all. |
| 10:14.07 | xlotlu | Eulex: so what? |
| 10:14.07 | marinosi | Dewi: why so much pain?I have a debian amd64 laptop and it works perfect |
| 10:14.08 | marinosi | .. |
| 10:14.21 | Dewi | marinosi: some closed source 32bit things don't run without effort |
| 10:14.26 | xlotlu | Eulex: some people consider that a feature |
| 10:14.26 | Eulex | xlotlu, it's the root of the problem, *shrug* |
| 10:14.26 | GuHHH | vin`: nice, now my system wont boot anymore :D |
| 10:14.44 | marinosi | Dewi: Closed source?such as?Nvidia driver? |
| 10:14.47 | Coke | petemc: I'm runing a 64-bit desktop right here, it just lacks a few things, otherwise working perfectly. |
| 10:14.48 | Dewi | marinosi: flash |
| 10:15.14 | petemc | Coke: you seem to be doing a lot of complaining for someone who has an almost perfect desktop |
| 10:15.15 | Eulex | xlotlu, well if you don't need flash, I think debian amd64 will serve you well. if you don't need som other i386-only binary crap. |
| 10:15.15 | marinosi | Dewi: Well it runs very well with flash-nonfree and lib32 libs |
| 10:15.25 | marinosi | with no effort |
| 10:15.31 | Dewi | marinosi: yeah. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. |
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| 10:15.48 | Coke | petemc: Yeah, the new desktops will be perfect, without the almost. |
| 10:15.55 | Dewi | marinosi: the pain I referred to was the pain being discussed presently |
| 10:16.02 | Dewi | marinosi: most of which is completely unnecessary |
| 10:16.04 | marinosi | Dewi: and I am used to FreeBSD where there was no flash and we should download the youtube video to see it |
| 10:16.08 | marinosi | :-P |
| 10:16.29 | Coke | petemc: also, I'm not complaining about the lack of 32-bit support in amd64 Etch, I'm just tired of hearing the same old defense for the outdated/broken issues Debian always seem to have. |
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| 10:16.54 | petemc | Coke: feel free to jump in and help fix up any issues you see |
| 10:16.55 | Coke | petemc: "the world is crazy, 64-bit desktops are useless and NOBODY wants to watch Flash anyway" isn't a good solution for me. |
| 10:17.03 | \amethyst | petemc: the issues can't be fixed |
| 10:17.11 | Coke | \amethyst: yes they can. |
| 10:17.14 | \amethyst | how? |
| 10:17.24 | Coke | Obviously, someone have thought of a 32-bit version of gtk for amd64. |
| 10:17.25 | Eulex | Coke, I don't see what etch not providing i386 gtk libs on amd64 has to do with outdatedness or brokenness. it's just a missing feature. |
| 10:17.34 | Coke | The package name is in the list, but there's no candidate. |
| 10:17.45 | xlotlu | Coke: i for one run flash only under wine/IE |
| 10:18.10 | Eulex | Coke, no, etch is frozen since long. the issue is already fixed for the next debian stable to be released, though. |
| 10:18.14 | Coke | xlotlu: hahaha! :) |
| 10:18.25 | Coke | Eulex: that means Debian testing has the fix right now? |
| 10:18.29 | SpeedyG | how can I easily 'lock' a user in his homedir ? |
| 10:18.44 | SpeedyG | do I need a chroot for that? Or can it be done easier ? |
| 10:18.56 | Coke | SpeedyG: a logged in user or just FTP users? |
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| 10:19.06 | a-atwood | SpeedyG: set his shell to rbash? |
| 10:19.14 | SpeedyG | Coke: got vmware running, all vm's are in /home/vmware, user has no shell |
| 10:19.23 | hark | Coke: you're still at it? :) it was in etch, but was removed |
| 10:19.26 | xlotlu | Coke: you can download the package and extract it in the proper 32b places |
| 10:19.27 | Eulex | Coke, yes, http://packages.debian.org/ia32-libs-gtk |
| 10:20.00 | daveinthesky | Coke: I'm on debian testing/amd64 and I just did "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" :P |
| 10:20.01 | \amethyst | Coke: And it's in lenny |
| 10:20.02 | \amethyst | Coke: however, you want it in etch |
| 10:20.02 | \amethyst | no amount of complaining is going to get it added to etch |
| 10:20.02 | \amethyst | etch is *stable*. That means, modulo security bugs, it doesn't change |
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| 10:20.16 | Coke | doh |
| 10:20.21 | alex_ | bot++ |
| 10:20.28 | Coke | He's too fast a typer. |
| 10:20.30 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 10:20.33 | daveinthesky | Coke: you can change you sources.list. replace all occurances of "etch" or "stable" with "testing" |
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| 10:20.37 | \amethyst | fucking bot |
| 10:20.41 | alex_ | lol |
| 10:20.45 | torgrimt | hehe ;) |
| 10:20.46 | alex_ | type slower newb :P |
| 10:20.47 | vanksi | do Icmp checksum errors affect VPN tunnels much? |
| 10:20.49 | hark | Coke: http://bugs.debian.org/406455 |
| 10:20.56 | Coke | daveinthesky: yes, that I know. I was told previously that there was no such package for Debian 64-bit, period. |
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| 10:21.06 | \amethyst | alex_: "lag less newb" is more like it :) |
| 10:21.10 | Coke | But I'll go to testing right now if it helps. |
| 10:21.30 | \amethyst | Coke: I have said multiple times that it's in lenny and sid |
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| 10:22.04 | daveinthesky | new topic! |
| 10:22.13 | Eulex | Coke, I'm sorry, I was looking for it with the wrong naming convention. and \amethyst did correct me. |
| 10:23.07 | hark | Coke: next you'd be wanting wine as well |
| 10:24.37 | a-atwood | I want me some 64-b WordPerfect8 |
| 10:24.37 | daveinthesky | http://xkcd.com/327/ |
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| 10:26.33 | hark | i'd pick NULL as a name ;) |
| 10:26.54 | \amethyst | hark: 'NULL' isn't NULL, though :) |
| 10:27.14 | \amethyst | though it might confuse the poor DBAs |
| 10:27.28 | hark | or crappy ones |
| 10:27.50 | \amethyst | hark: 'poor' is polysemous :) |
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| 10:29.46 | ook_male | guys... how to make image of my debian? so if did something that mess my debian, i can easily load the saved image |
| 10:29.54 | ook_male | load = restore |
| 10:30.25 | xand | you could rsync to another machine, or make an image of the disk using dd |
| 10:30.32 | xand | or tar |
| 10:30.54 | hw | I'm trying to install etch, but installer fails to detect disks. It is a SATA system. Dmesg says: parted_devices uses a deprecated ioctl. On testing as well. Any workarounds? |
| 10:32.28 | Eulex | hw, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ , perhaps? |
| 10:32.47 | ook_male | xand thanks.. btw how to load the image that already backup with dd or tar? |
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| 10:33.29 | xand | ook_male: boot from a live CD |
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| 10:34.14 | ook_male | thanks a lot xand |
| 10:34.56 | hw | Eulex: Sounds good, I'll give it a try =) |
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| 10:37.38 | porta | Hello, what file controls the updates from the cd? |
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| 10:38.14 | shriphani | any debian on laptop users here ? |
| 10:38.35 | porta | i use a dell inspiron 9400 with debian |
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| 10:38.57 | shriphani | does your lappy run at 62 C ? |
| 10:39.18 | porta | mine is in F |
| 10:39.25 | porta | it is around 89F |
| 10:39.43 | porta | I think the math is around the same. |
| 10:39.46 | Eulex | shriphani, what cpu? |
| 10:40.18 | shriphani | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz |
| 10:40.27 | shriphani | it has been running on 62 C all the time. |
| 10:40.31 | porta | The file I am asking about stops debian from trying to use the cd for updates and only uses the web. |
| 10:40.41 | shriphani | gives me 1/2 an hour of battery life !! |
| 10:41.07 | porta | ?? what kind of battery? |
| 10:41.19 | Eulex | shriphani, (1) install cpufrequtils (2) set it up to use the ondemand cpufreq governor. |
| 10:41.26 | daveinthesky | porta: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:41.33 | porta | daveinthesky: ty |
| 10:41.38 | Eulex | shriphani, ... which can be done through /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 10:41.42 | daveinthesky | !sources.list |
| 10:41.42 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 10:41.54 | Eulex | shriphani, your problem is probably that you're running it at 1.6ghz all the time. |
| 10:42.50 | shriphani | Eulex, you are right. |
| 10:43.02 | shriphani | 1598 ghz |
| 10:43.18 | Eulex | shriphani, oh, and you need to make sure that the right modules are loaded upon boot. should be speedstep-centrino and cpufreq-ondemand. |
| 10:44.04 | shriphani | Eulex, err so i install cpufrequtils and set it up ? is there a howto on this or is the setup very informative ? |
| 10:44.05 | Eulex | or perhaps acpi-cpufreq instead of speedstep-centrino. differs between kernel versions. |
| 10:44.18 | Eulex | shriphani, I told you all steps. |
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| 10:44.37 | porta | daveinthesky: ty that did the trick!!! |
| 10:46.16 | porta | is there a good mail server for sending and receiving mail on a homecomputer I want to use with a website address? I tried postfix and it is a little too complicated :-) still a newbi |
| 10:46.59 | et | imo, there are good howtos for postfix available |
| 10:47.43 | porta | do a google for postfix?? would that be best? |
| 10:48.29 | a-atwood | porta: first I would search tldp.org, then google |
| 10:48.46 | evadave | Note: #postfix |
| 10:49.08 | porta | ty!! |
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| 10:49.19 | stony | hi |
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| 10:49.37 | stony | can i add the revision-number to the "Depends:" oder "Replaces:" fields in the control-file ? |
| 10:49.46 | stony | s/oder/or |
| 10:50.08 | shriphani | Eulex, i modproped cpufreq-ondemand. it shows up in lsmod too. |
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| 10:50.42 | Eulex | shriphani, you also need the driver for your cpu. it's acpi-cpufreq or speedstep-centrino. |
| 10:51.17 | shriphani | Eulex, where do i get it from ? |
| 10:51.34 | Eulex | shriphani, it's a kernel module, and it's included with your kernel. |
| 10:51.45 | Eulex | shriphani, then when you've changed /etc/default/cpufrequtils to be enabled and to use the ondemand governor, you need to do /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils restart |
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| 10:52.41 | shriphani | Eulex, neither of the two show up in lsmod |
| 10:52.59 | shriphani | i.e. acpi-cpufreq / speedstep-centrino. |
| 10:53.40 | Eulex | after you've tried modprobeing them? |
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| 10:54.15 | shriphani | ok sorry forgot to modprobe |
| 10:54.23 | shriphani | acpi-cpufreq's there now. |
| 10:55.38 | porta | is there a good text based web browser? |
| 10:56.05 | shriphani | w3m !!! |
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| 10:56.18 | porta | ty :-) |
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| 10:59.58 | shriphani | Eulex, thanks a lot !! |
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| 11:01.35 | porta | ooohhh alt with arrow key's left and right.. ok... I am tired.. but that is cool! |
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| 11:10.14 | aspWork | wols, you around? |
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| 11:11.37 | tonybphone | Hi |
| 11:11.57 | abchirk2 | Hi! |
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| 11:12.54 | aspWork | guys, i used a kmuto image to get etch installed with my realtek 8111 nic, now i want to update to lenny, will this cause a problem? if so, should i compile a new kernal berfore upgrading or what is the best approach? |
| 11:12.58 | porta | here is probably a stupid question after removing postfix with aptitude it installs Xmail... is this normal? |
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| 11:13.37 | alex_ | anyone here purchased /rented a block of ip addresses before? |
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| 11:23.23 | gemidjy | how can I revoke keys in my ~/.gnupg since accidently I've deleted ~/.gnupg ? |
| 11:23.35 | gemidjy | I've got the key on server |
| 11:23.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | why do you want to revoke? |
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| 11:24.35 | gemidjy | Kamping_Kaiser: since it is my key, many people have signed me |
| 11:25.44 | pleed | gemidjy: revoke == delete |
| 11:25.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | gemidjy, i'd be amazed if you couldnt reimport the key and keep going |
| 11:26.36 | gemidjy | pleed: damn, I thought it means recover :/ |
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| 11:27.01 | gemidjy | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, reimport is what I need :) |
| 11:27.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | gemidjy, a good start would be gpg --keyserver=<server here> --import <your key> |
| 11:27.40 | gemidjy | great, thanks |
| 11:27.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | as for the specifics, you might do better asking #gnu or letting someone else help out |
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| 11:28.34 | gemidjy | thanks again, bye |
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| 11:30.14 | Elad3 | hello all |
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| 11:30.35 | vlt | Element14: On ubuntu systems you can use /etc/iftab to bind MAC addresses to ethX devices. Don't know if there's a similar way for Debian. (That's why I wrote "maybe" ;-) |
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| 11:31.11 | Elad3 | I cant mounting smb partition, I get the msg: 17919: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 11:31.11 | Elad3 | SMB connection failed |
| 11:31.11 | Elad3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.58 | GuHHH | !nvidia |
| 11:32.58 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 11:33.12 | Elad3 | !smb |
| 11:33.12 | dpkg | it has been said that smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS, or Super Mario Brothers |
| 11:33.16 | GuHHH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:33.16 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 11:36.59 | valdyn | Elad3: you should use -t cifs |
| 11:37.20 | Elad3 | valdyn, the same problem.. |
| 11:37.31 | valdyn | Elad3: beside that i don't know how you pick between encrypted and unencrypted passwords, Windows default should be encrypted |
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| 11:38.29 | Elad3 | mount error 13 = Permission denied , Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) |
| 11:38.48 | Elad3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.49 | valdyn | Elad3: tell the whole mount line |
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| 11:39.21 | valdyn | Elad3: user=, not username= ( i don't know if username works still but that's what the manpages sais ) |
| 11:39.43 | Elad3 | let's try.. sec |
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| 11:40.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I've got a curious problem: Debian doesn't detect my DVDR drive |
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| 11:40.37 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: how do you know that? |
| 11:40.38 | Elad3 | valdyn, the same =\ |
| 11:40.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yet when I go into BIOS, it says IDE CD: TSST corp CD/DVDW SN-S082D |
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| 11:41.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: From looking all over the place for it :p |
| 11:41.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Doesn't get picked up during boot |
| 11:41.11 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: what's 'all over the place' |
| 11:41.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | dmesg, for instance |
| 11:41.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.55 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: paste /etc/udev/z25_persistent-cd.rules on a paste site |
| 11:42.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm, wait, I have to boot it, since it is currently in BIOS |
| 11:42.37 | khaleel5000 | hello , i am a noob with debain etch (rc0) i need a programme to convert .vob files to .avi , what would be a nice programme for that? |
| 11:42.49 | khaleel5000 | i mean any suggestions, i dont know any programme |
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| 11:42.55 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: no pasting |
| 11:43.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: It's getting annoying when I want to watch DVDs :) |
| 11:43.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: ? |
| 11:43.14 | xand | !enter |
| 11:43.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 11:43.15 | xand | :P |
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| 11:43.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | ... |
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| 11:45.07 | valdyn | Elad3: your password contains any non-alphanumerical signs? |
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| 11:45.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: No such file |
| 11:45.46 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, paste output of lsmod and lspci on a paste site |
| 11:45.55 | hw | Eulex: Are you still there? Any other ideas on the sata/installer issue? Your suggestion does not work, same problem |
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| 11:46.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: It's an IDE drive |
| 11:46.12 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: i know. |
| 11:46.23 | SpeedyG | Hi, whats a good place to start if I want to learn more about linux filepermissions ? |
| 11:46.25 | Elad3 | valdyn, no.. |
| 11:46.28 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: drive is never the problem, its always the controller ( unless you drive is physically kaputt ) |
| 11:46.38 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: and the controller is a pci device. |
| 11:47.02 | valdyn | !wikifaq SpeedyG Permissions |
| 11:47.02 | dpkg | SpeedyG: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 11:47.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/40130 |
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| 11:48.32 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: is that a debian kernel? |
| 11:48.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
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| 11:49.30 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: try 'modprobe ide-cd' |
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| 11:49.40 | xula | QUESTION: I have installed debian on my laptop, the temperature keeps above 53 C, and so the CPU fan running all the time. this situation never hapens in windows xp, usually it is 42 C in windows. |
| 11:49.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: k, now what? |
| 11:49.54 | valdyn | !cpufrequtils |
| 11:50.16 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: drive there? new stuff in dmesg? |
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| 11:50.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 11:50.29 | valdyn | xula: aptitude install cpufrequtils, read the documentattion |
| 11:50.39 | xula | I have set the CPU freq to the lowest, 175MHz |
| 11:50.54 | valdyn | xula: what the hell is that for a cpu at 175 mhz? |
| 11:50.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | xula: apt-get install powertop |
| 11:51.10 | xula | OK, I'll try |
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| 11:51.20 | valdyn | xula: you're most certainly wrong about that |
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| 11:52.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Any idea? |
| 11:52.54 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: your bios may be wrong, is that driver redected when you rerun detection? |
| 11:53.02 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: s/driver/drive/ ? |
| 11:53.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | rerun detection? |
| 11:54.15 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: some bioses will redetect disk drives each time you boot, some will just use saved data |
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| 11:55.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Well, I think it redoes detection, but I can try running a livecd and see if that works - no safer way to be sure, I suppose |
| 11:55.35 | vlt | Hello. I found the value "MaxRequestSize" in cupsd.conf and set it to "0" (which should be default, I thought) but that doesn't help. The large print job (33 MB) causes the printer to be stopped with "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!". Any idea what the problem is here? |
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| 11:57.07 | yigal | over the last 5 hours I've set up amd64 laptop using etch but I cannot find a amd64 repos for lenny or sid, do they exist? |
| 11:57.23 | et | they do |
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| 11:57.57 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: you should try a kernel from backports.org |
| 11:57.58 | yigal | am I looking in the wrong repos.? http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 11:58.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Backports? I'm on Sid |
| 11:58.17 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: uname -r |
| 11:58.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | 2.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 11:58.28 | xula | valdyn: There is no package relate to powertop ?? |
| 11:58.42 | et | et@edea:~> echo `uname -r` `head -n1 /etc/apt/sources.list` |
| 11:58.42 | et | 2.6.22-2-amd64 deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 11:58.44 | yigal | Dark_Apostrophe: so backports |
| 11:58.50 | yigal | et: thank you |
| 11:58.59 | valdyn | xula: powertop is nice and good, but it does not do cpu frequency scaling |
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| 12:00.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: I just booted SimplyMepis.. |
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| 12:00.41 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: and? cd found? |
| 12:00.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well it must have been since it's a LiveCD |
| 12:00.59 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: nah |
| 12:01.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | looking through the dmesg now |
| 12:01.12 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: that's done by your bios, the booting and the loading of the initrd |
| 12:01.45 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 12:01.46 | dpkg | well, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 12:01.53 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: check out that site ^^ too |
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| 12:03.59 | yigal | so for a Turion X2 is there speed stepping? |
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| 12:06.44 | Eulex | hw, find out what sata controller you have, google. |
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| 12:07.58 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i need to monitor bandwidth on a per port or per ip address basis (outgoing only) - is this possible ? |
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| 12:08.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah |
| 12:08.52 | Eulex | Super_Cat_Frog, jnettop, perhaps? |
| 12:09.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | Eulex: thanks, i'll read up |
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| 12:18.26 | untitled_ | hello |
| 12:18.47 | untitled_ | can someone who uses unstable sources show me sources.list? |
| 12:19.06 | Darkside | hi, i've just installed debian fromthe netinst cd, i have a raLink usb wifi card i'd like to use - i know it uses the rt73 drivers, and thats in experimental |
| 12:19.13 | untitled_ | where i can get the lastest packages |
| 12:19.22 | Darkside | i've modified my sources.list to get that package, and i've installed it |
| 12:19.39 | Darkside | what do i do next? the usb wifi card is pluged in |
| 12:20.32 | hark | Darkside: read /usr/share/doc/rt73-source |
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| 12:20.39 | Darkside | thanks :) |
| 12:20.47 | hark | Darkside: or try m-a a-i rt73 |
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| 12:20.55 | Darkside | mmmmmmmmm LOVE that ability |
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| 12:21.13 | hark | the terminal loves Darkside too |
| 12:21.23 | Darkside | in sovier russia, the terminal loves you! |
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| 12:21.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 12:22.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Found the CD drive in the livecd. It says TSSTcorpCD/DVDW S082D |
| 12:23.42 | Darkside | hmm |
| 12:23.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SN-S082D * |
| 12:23.47 | Darkside | installed rt73-common |
| 12:23.48 | Darkside | not source :P |
| 12:23.51 | Darkside | whoooops |
| 12:23.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | On IDE channel 0 |
| 12:24.07 | ma3x | how can i download google video? |
| 12:24.17 | ma3x | there is youtube-dl but it doesnt work with google |
| 12:24.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | ma3x: apt-get install flvget |
| 12:24.47 | ma3x | !flvget |
| 12:24.53 | ma3x | whats that? |
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| 12:25.08 | Darkside | interesting, there isnt much in rt73-source |
| 12:25.14 | Darkside | actually, nothing that tells me anything useful |
| 12:25.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | ma3x: apt-cache show flvget :p |
| 12:25.34 | ma3x | where is this package at? |
| 12:25.38 | Darkside | just a changelog and a readme that gives me no information about using it :) |
| 12:25.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | ma3x: Well, I use Sid and I can see it... |
| 12:25.57 | ma3x | no you can't! |
| 12:26.01 | ma3x | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flvget&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 12:26.01 | hark | Darkside: ok, then m-a prepare; m-a a-i rt73 |
| 12:26.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm, maybe I downloaded a custom package |
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| 12:26.26 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-cache policy flvget :) |
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| 12:26.33 | Darkside | whoops |
| 12:26.36 | ma3x | is it in debian-multimedia |
| 12:26.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Any way, here's its homepage: http://www.khertz.net/flvget |
| 12:26.41 | Darkside | lets remove the cd from the sources.list file... |
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| 12:27.16 | Darkside | :P |
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| 12:27.25 | Darkside | ive only worked with debian on a server before, not ona desktop[ |
| 12:28.17 | Darkside | hrm maybe i should update the kernel before i do all this |
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| 12:28.45 | Darkside | installarion of the rt73 source failed |
| 12:29.08 | hark | Darkside: uname -r? |
| 12:29.11 | Darkside | hmm think it wants kernel headers |
| 12:29.19 | Darkside | well, ill upgrade mah kernel first |
| 12:29.42 | hark | Darkside: m-a prepare should have gotten them (if it succeeded) |
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| 12:30.04 | Darkside | i dont thnk it did |
| 12:30.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Found the drive's homepage: http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/features.do?group=computersperipherals&type=opticaldiscdrives&subtype=dvdwriter&model_cd=SN-S082D/BEBN |
| 12:30.38 | Darkside | but i still need to update anyway |
| 12:30.47 | Darkside | im going to be using debian unstable, not debian stable |
| 12:31.25 | Darkside | im running a desltop, not a server :) |
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| 12:31.49 | vlt | Any idea how to solve my CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!"? |
| 12:31.57 | hark | stable is for desktops too :) |
| 12:32.02 | Darkside | baaaaah |
| 12:32.07 | Darkside | i want latest versions of things :P |
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| 12:37.53 | jonasDK | Hello all |
| 12:38.17 | jonasDK | About a year ago i moved an old debian server to a new machine, part of the move was to duplicat the set of packages installed. But i simply cant remember how i did it |
| 12:38.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg --[get,set]-selections |
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| 12:38.38 | jonasDK | So do anybody know how i make it so a newly installed system, has the exact same set of packages instralled as another debian system? |
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| 12:39.09 | jonasDK | cool thanks, let me see if i can figure out how to export/import |
| 12:39.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | get is for listing installed packages, set is for setting them on the new machine |
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| 12:39.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | then dslect --install (iirc), but double check the dslect comand |
| 12:39.49 | jonasDK | and can i then just pipe the output of get to the other machine? |
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| 12:40.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'd go via a text file myself... |
| 12:40.34 | jonasDK | ohh set takes a file as input? |
| 12:40.42 | jonasDK | i was thinking of cating a file |
| 12:40.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | <file |
| 12:40.52 | jonasDK | alright ile give it a try, thanks alot |
| 12:41.17 | jonasDK | after setting the selections, will they be installed as well, or will i need to run apt-get install? |
| 12:41.24 | jonasDK | im not used to using dpkg, only aptitude and apt-get |
| 12:41.43 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 12:41.47 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 12:41.47 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 12:42.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | dslect-upgrade. not far off |
| 12:42.09 | jonasDK | :) that has all i needed :) |
| 12:42.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, cheers |
| 12:42.31 | jonasDK | I just love when debian just works :) |
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| 12:42.41 | jonasDK | I still cant figure out why nobody made a distributed package manager though |
| 12:42.50 | maxamillion | jonasDK: debian always just works ;) |
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| 12:43.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | destributed package manager? |
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| 12:43.08 | jonasDK | maxamillion: the handling of updates for multiple machines is the first case where i actualy ran into a wall |
| 12:43.14 | jonasDK | Yes a linux version of WSUS for windows |
| 12:43.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | cfengine/puppet |
| 12:43.25 | jonasDK | a centrally managed app where u can control updates etc for ur systems |
| 12:43.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | ssh+ shell magic |
| 12:43.34 | jonasDK | cfengine and puppet are too big |
| 12:43.39 | Darkside | ssh -magic=yet ? |
| 12:43.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | whatever wsus is... |
| 12:43.41 | jonasDK | and they arent made for .deb pacvkages |
| 12:43.42 | Darkside | yes* |
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| 12:44.12 | jonasDK | running ssh commands to multiple systems is a big too chaotic |
| 12:44.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | cfengine was explicity designed for managing multiple systems |
| 12:44.17 | jonasDK | and unpredictable |
| 12:44.29 | jonasDK | Kamping_Kaiser: yes but not explicitly for amnaging debian systems |
| 12:44.36 | jonasDK | since debian uses .deb packages |
| 12:44.40 | valdyn | !info cfengine |
| 12:44.41 | jonasDK | you could make it alot simpler |
| 12:44.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonasDK, its a feature.... |
| 12:45.18 | jonasDK | Kamping_Kaiser: i think if u googled wsus a bit |
| 12:45.21 | jonasDK | you would see what i mean |
| 12:46.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonasDK, yes, i'd gedt a tool that perfectly looks after windows boxes *only* and cant so much as connect to anything else |
| 12:46.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | which would be great in my debian+ubuntu network on system 5 architectures. |
| 12:46.51 | jonasDK | Thats not the point |
| 12:47.03 | jonasDK | im saying, i miss a tool that does what wsus does for windows, for linux |
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| 12:47.24 | jonasDK | last time i looked at puppet and cfengine |
| 12:47.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm saying the tools here are a bit more flexable |
| 12:47.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | nuff said |
| 12:47.37 | jonasDK | they seemed created by ppl wanting to manage rolling out tarballs etc on nix systems |
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| 12:49.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | they are for people wanting to manage unix like systems. whatever that involves |
| 12:49.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | editing files/installing packages/moding users |
| 12:49.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | etc |
| 12:49.37 | jonasDK | yes, but as http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/223 staerts off by saying, the learning curve is very steep |
| 12:49.52 | jonasDK | and its unnecesary complex, when your needs are more modest |
| 12:51.16 | jonasDK | I dont doubt cfengine can do what i want |
| 12:51.27 | abrotman | !tell debiantonio about away |
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| 12:51.47 | jonasDK | I am just saying i miss something between apt-get and cfengine |
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| 12:52.10 | jonasDK | something that makes it easy and simple to keep track of which updates arent installed yet on which machines and then be able to centrally initiate those updates |
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| 12:52.20 | stew | jonasDK: no such thing exists |
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| 12:52.33 | jonasDK | stew: I know, thats what i was started out by saying :) |
| 12:52.35 | Southern_Gentlem | hello |
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| 12:52.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | *evil grin* its called RHN |
| 12:52.49 | stew | jonasDK: so you are looking to create such a thing? |
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| 12:53.15 | jonasDK | stew: nope, just referred to it earlier up, as the one thing i was missing with debian |
| 12:53.34 | jonasDK | RHN looks very much along the lines im talking about hehe |
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| 12:53.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | i know ;) |
| 12:53.42 | Southern_Gentlem | is there a channel op around |
| 12:53.53 | stew | jonasDK: there are many things missing for debian, we are just waiting for volunteers to provide the missing pieces |
| 12:53.59 | stew | Southern_Gentlem: yes, i am |
| 12:54.04 | n_np | <n_np> i need a ppp keepalive script that automatically makes sure its always on interface ppp0 and the ddclient runs every time the connection resets |
| 12:54.05 | n_np | <n_np> how can i do that? |
| 12:54.05 | n_np | <n_np> what programming language must i use and how do i go about it? |
| 12:54.05 | n_np | <n_np> please help guys. |
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| 12:54.11 | Southern_Gentlem | may i pm you real quick |
| 12:54.15 | stew | Southern_Gentlem: yes |
| 12:54.16 | jonasDK | stew: for me there definately arent many things missing |
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| 12:54.25 | n_np | pardon |
| 12:54.28 | jonasDK | as i said, after 7 years of running debian, this is the only thing i really seriously lack |
| 12:54.30 | valdyn | n_np: that's all there |
| 12:54.31 | maxamillion | why does apt-get warn me about upgrading packages from the official repos in testing ... is says they "can not be authenticated" |
| 12:54.35 | maxamillion | ?* |
| 12:54.38 | valdyn | n_np: what exactly is not working for you? |
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| 12:54.39 | n_np | valdyn, but how do i do it? |
| 12:54.44 | stew | maxamillion: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 12:55.01 | valdyn | n_np: you don't do anything, the ddclient script is there by default |
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| 12:55.02 | xand | I had the same problem, ftp.de.debian.org gave me that issue, but not the us mirros |
| 12:55.05 | maxamillion | stew: ah, that makes sense .. thanks |
| 12:55.06 | n_np | valdyn, the ppp0 interface disconnects and doesnt reconnect and doesnt run ddclient when i redial |
| 12:55.08 | xand | maxamillion: ^ |
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| 12:55.12 | xand | and nothing to do with "no public key" |
| 12:55.13 | n_np | valdyn but its not working |
| 12:55.14 | n_np | ? |
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| 12:55.19 | n_np | i need it to auto reconnect |
| 12:55.39 | YGingras | what's a good way to stress test an HD that you suspect to be about to fail? It currently contains no data. badblocks? Bonnie++? |
| 12:55.40 | maxamillion | xand: i'm actually just using ftp.debian.org |
| 12:55.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonasDK, guess i come from the mentality that a big learniung curve for something 'small' is fine, if you can use the same tool to do XYZ other things too :) |
| 12:56.00 | valdyn | n_np: you probably need just the 'persist' option in your peer script |
| 12:56.05 | jonasDK | YGingras: check its smart status if its availeble |
| 12:56.13 | n_np | valdyn what is that and how do i use it? |
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| 12:56.24 | valdyn | n_np: you don't even use ppp yet? |
| 12:56.30 | garo | YGingras: for a in `seq 1 10000` ; do dd if=/dev/random of==/dev/hda ; done |
| 12:56.35 | n_np | I do use ppp |
| 12:56.39 | n_np | but my shell scripting is useless |
| 12:56.48 | mortal1 | can anyone tell me what version of vmware I need to run debian on windows? |
| 12:56.53 | valdyn | n_np: that has nothing to do with shell scripting |
| 12:56.54 | n_np | ive got the pon script there, and ddclient is isntalled |
| 12:56.55 | garo | s/==/=/ |
| 12:56.59 | maxamillion | xand: did it happen when you were running stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 12:57.01 | n_np | but i have to use it all manually |
| 12:57.03 | YGingras | jonasDK: how do I do that? |
| 12:57.08 | valdyn | n_np: why the hell pon |
| 12:57.09 | xand | maxamillion: testing |
| 12:57.14 | valdyn | n_np: which debian release are you on? |
| 12:57.16 | xand | maxamillion: or maybe stable |
| 12:57.17 | sohmestra | mortal1: any version? |
| 12:57.19 | n_np | etch |
| 12:57.19 | jonasDK | YGingras: try to google it, there are howtos |
| 12:57.20 | maxamillion | xand: lol |
| 12:57.25 | n_np | why not pon? what must I use? |
| 12:57.25 | jonasDK | it doesnt work with ALL hdds though |
| 12:57.30 | xand | it was only a few days ago, but i forget which machine |
| 12:57.33 | valdyn | n_np: run 'ifup ppp0', tell what that gives |
| 12:57.37 | maxamillion | xand: well its happening to me on testing, i was just wondering |
| 12:57.37 | mortal1 | well theres server, workstation and player |
| 12:57.57 | YGingras | jonasDK: all right, I'll try that |
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| 12:58.09 | n_np | debian:/etc# ifup ppp0 |
| 12:58.10 | n_np | Ignoring unknown interface ppp0=ppp0. |
| 12:58.10 | maxamillion | xand: which server are you using now that it doesn't give that error on? |
| 12:58.26 | valdyn | n_np: so you totally didnt follow the debian way to setup ppp |
| 12:58.27 | xand | ftp.us.debian.org I *think*... oh and it is stable |
| 12:58.32 | maxamillion | n_np: man interfaces |
| 12:58.33 | valdyn | n_np: is that pppoe or true dialup? |
| 12:58.41 | n_np | its pppoe |
| 12:58.58 | valdyn | n_np: did you use 'pppoeconf' ? |
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| 12:59.02 | n_np | yes i think so |
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| 12:59.17 | sohmestra | mortal1: yes. any version. the trick with vmplayer is that it doesn't create the "virtual disks". Anyway, vmware server is free, so why not use it? |
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| 12:59.48 | valdyn | n_np: i dont think you did, as pppoeconf DOES add ppp0 to /etc/network/interfaces, which in turn is what ifup uses |
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| 13:00.05 | n_np | that strange maybe i did it with the wrong user account or something |
| 13:00.13 | sohmestra | mortal1: if you need a virtual disk, download any old appliance from vmware's site, and install overtop of it. |
| 13:00.14 | valdyn | n_np: root is the only account |
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| 13:00.33 | valdyn | n_np: you can hardly run that from a different account |
| 13:00.36 | n_np | valdyn it has added eth0 |
| 13:01.00 | valdyn | n_np: nonsense |
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| 13:01.03 | maxamillion | xand: did i lose ya over there? |
| 13:01.07 | valdyn | n_np: how are you really dialing into your isp? |
| 13:01.11 | n_np | valdyn i'm telling you the truth here mate |
| 13:01.17 | n_np | im using pon dsl-provider |
| 13:01.19 | valdyn | n_np: its commonly done by dsl routers nowadays |
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| 13:01.31 | jonasDK | YGingras: look for smartctl and smartd |
| 13:01.36 | valdyn | n_np: run pppoeconf |
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| 13:02.26 | valdyn | n_np: once you did that, show your /etc/network/interfaces file, Use a paste site, dont paste here |
| 13:02.39 | n_np | ok |
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| 13:03.35 | pdlnhrd | does anyone know how to find the device path of a firewire external drive? |
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| 13:03.58 | valdyn | n_np: pon and poff not the way to go if you want to have a centrally managed always on connection to the internet. |
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| 13:04.39 | n_np | ok |
| 13:04.42 | keith4 | pdlnhrd: run mount? |
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| 13:04.53 | n_np | http://pastebin.com/m26fa8ee1 |
| 13:05.12 | n_np | valdyn http://pastebin.com/m26fa8ee1 |
| 13:05.30 | valdyn | n_np: run 'ifup dsl-provider' |
| 13:05.35 | pdlnhrd | keith4: yes, i know how to mount a drive... i need to know where the device is |
| 13:05.52 | keith4 | is it mounted? |
| 13:05.55 | abrotman | pdlnhrd: check dmesg |
| 13:05.59 | n_np | ifup: interface dsl-provider already configured |
| 13:06.11 | stew | pdlnhrd: try "fdisk -l" |
| 13:06.16 | n_np | valdyn, so then how can i set this up to auto reconnect and run a script like ddclient ? |
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| 13:06.30 | valdyn | n_np: np, 'ifdown dsl-provider' then bring it up 'ifup dsl-provider' |
| 13:06.36 | valdyn | n_np: that's run automagically |
| 13:06.55 | n_np | well im ircing from the box right now i dont wanne kill the connection |
| 13:07.00 | n_np | hmm but i dono if it works though |
| 13:07.05 | pdlnhrd | abrotman: i see it connecting in dmesg but i doesn't list the device path |
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| 13:07.11 | n_np | where do i add the line 'ddclient' for the ifup and ifdown ? |
| 13:07.14 | valdyn | n_np: is your /etc/ddclient.conf configured correctly? |
| 13:07.15 | pdlnhrd | stew: that was it... thanks |
| 13:07.25 | valdyn | n_np: there's NOTHING to add, its up, its there, by default |
| 13:07.28 | n_np | yes it is valdyn, but i have to run it when i use pon |
| 13:07.32 | mortal1 | that's funny, the server and the player are free, but the workstation isn't |
| 13:07.35 | valdyn | n_np: DONT use pon |
| 13:07.41 | n_np | ok |
| 13:07.55 | n_np | so it will run ddclient with ifup and ifdown then? |
| 13:08.10 | mortal1 | so if I download vmware server will I need anything else to install debian on windows? |
| 13:08.13 | pdlnhrd | next question: is there any issues with 750 gb partitions in ext3? |
| 13:08.20 | valdyn | n_np: bringing up dsl-provider runs all the scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 13:08.34 | valdyn | n_np: in there is a script called 'ddclient' which is put there by the package 'ddclient' |
| 13:08.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: My drive: http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/features.do?group=computersperipherals&type=opticaldiscdrives&subtype=dvdwriter&model_cd=SN-S082D/BEBN |
| 13:08.45 | n_np | awesp,e |
| 13:08.48 | n_np | awesome |
| 13:09.10 | n_np | valdyn so it will just run ifdown when it has disconnected until it has connected then run those scripts every time? |
| 13:09.33 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: drive is irrelevant, its alll about the drive controller |
| 13:10.03 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: did you check out |
| 13:10.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, the livecd detected it, which is how I got the version and such. Debian does not, however. |
| 13:10.05 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 13:10.05 | dpkg | from memory, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 13:10.09 | valdyn | ^^^ that site? |
| 13:10.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: It didn't show in lspci |
| 13:10.32 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: what didn't show in lspci? |
| 13:10.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | the drive or the controller |
| 13:10.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | I only found it via lshw |
| 13:10.49 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: it did, i saw it |
| 13:10.53 | RichiH | can anyone comfirm that sid's perl broken? the threads package lacks is_joinable() -- Can't locate auto/threads/is_joinable.al in @INC |
| 13:11.00 | n_np | valdyn why is it not working then? |
| 13:11.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Oh? |
| 13:11.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: What's it called? |
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| 13:11.22 | valdyn | n_np: how do you know its not working? |
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| 13:11.47 | n_np | valdyn because when i try to access the domain that ddclient should be refreshing it does not work |
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| 13:12.07 | valdyn | n_np: run just 'ddclient', tell the output |
| 13:12.17 | n_np | its not giving any output |
| 13:12.23 | valdyn | n_np: i hope you did 'ifdown dsl-provider' && 'ifup dsl-provider' first |
| 13:12.44 | valdyn | n_np: 'ddclient -v' even |
| 13:13.00 | stew | RichiH: if you have a test case, i have a chroot to run it in |
| 13:13.11 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: i closed that browser window, it contains 'IDE' |
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| 13:13.28 | n_np | valdyn its apache i had to restart it |
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| 13:13.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/40130 |
| 13:13.50 | n_np | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 13:13.50 | n_np | httpd not running, trying to start |
| 13:13.53 | n_np | how can i fix that? |
| 13:14.07 | valdyn | n_np: /etc/init.t/apache2 start |
| 13:14.08 | zamuro | n_np: Read the output. |
| 13:14.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: weird, it's gone |
| 13:14.51 | zamuro | Change ServerName directive... most of times, uncomment the line will do the job. |
| 13:15.06 | RichiH | stew: perl -e 'use threads; $thr = threads->create(sub {sleep 10;}); $thr->is_joinable;' |
| 13:15.14 | zamuro | Uncommenting** |
| 13:15.33 | stew | RichiH: doesn't work in testing even |
| 13:15.39 | n_np | where is the apache conf file |
| 13:15.40 | n_np | ? |
| 13:15.48 | RichiH | stew: bah, don't bother. the threads module is 1.07 while 1.67 is current |
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| 13:16.10 | zamuro | *sighs* First time using apache, right? |
| 13:16.28 | zamuro | locate httpd.conf |
| 13:16.46 | zamuro | But... _maybe_ it's on /etc/apache2/ |
| 13:17.09 | n_np | damn i just need to set up apache to point to the proper domain name |
| 13:17.16 | n_np | yeah thanks ill look into it later gotto go do something bbl |
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| 13:17.27 | thinkpad600E | bonjour |
| 13:17.31 | stew | n_np: there are many, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is the main one, you should in general, leave that one be. there is /etc/apache2/httpd.conf which should, in general, be empty, then there are all the files in /etc/apache2/sites-available, and /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 13:17.34 | zamuro | !fr |
| 13:17.34 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:17.40 | jonasDK | !aptitude clone |
| 13:17.40 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 13:17.42 | martoss | hi folks, what can i do if the klogd does hang on bootup... |
| 13:18.00 | valdyn | martoss: how do you know that a kernel thread is hanging? |
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| 13:18.10 | stew | n_np: the recommended way to do that would be to create a virtual host in a file named /etc/apache2/sites-available/sitename ; then enable it with a2ensite sitename |
| 13:18.21 | martoss | valdyn, kernel thread? |
| 13:19.09 | valdyn | martoss: how do you know its hanging? |
| 13:19.17 | martoss | the klogd? it just does nothing, says "starting kernel log daemon" followed by no reactino |
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| 13:25.19 | s4xxon | hello, debian stable has kdevelop version 3.3.5 . if i would find on the web a 3.5 version and install it, could this cause problems ? |
| 13:25.29 | Darkside | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 13:25.29 | Darkside | E: Error occurred while processing libyahoo2-dev (NewVersion1) |
| 13:25.29 | Darkside | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.aarnet.edu.au_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 13:25.30 | s4xxon | download it manualy from the unstable repo for example |
| 13:25.32 | Darkside | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 13:25.36 | Darkside | heeelp |
| 13:25.39 | valdyn | !Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 13:25.42 | valdyn | !Dynamic MMap |
| 13:25.42 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 13:26.07 | Darkside | hmm |
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| 13:26.25 | Darkside | that line is in an apt.conf in /etc/apt |
| 13:26.44 | stew | i wonder if that factoid should be reworded to prioritieze getting rid of things you don't need |
| 13:27.10 | Darkside | :P |
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| 13:27.29 | Darkside | i was sure synaptic had something toswap through distros |
| 13:27.31 | Darkside | i mean |
| 13:27.37 | Darkside | swap hrough unstable, stable, etc |
| 13:27.42 | Darkside | gues not |
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| 13:28.48 | Darkside | okay |
| 13:29.07 | Darkside | that line is in apt.conf and also in the 70deb*something* file in apt.conf.d |
| 13:29.10 | Darkside | and its still not working |
| 13:30.10 | stew | Darkside: you only need it in one of the two. from the factoid, "If you still get the same error, increase the value." |
| 13:30.28 | stew | Darkside: you are running apt-get update? or what? |
| 13:30.34 | Darkside | yah |
| 13:30.40 | Darkside | a good test to see if it works |
| 13:31.22 | Darkside | that cache limit |
| 13:31.26 | Darkside | is that in bytes od something? |
| 13:31.32 | Darkside | yahaaa its working :) |
| 13:31.37 | s4xxon | hello, debian stable has kdevelop version 3.3.5 . if i would find on the web a 3.5 version and install it, could this cause problems ? download it manualy from the unstable repo for example |
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| 13:33.32 | stew | s4xxon: you don't want to just install it from unstable, you would want to backport it, which as far as I know would require backporting all of kde |
| 13:34.01 | valdyn | s4xxon: have you looked at backports.org ? |
| 13:34.04 | s4xxon | so i should be satisfied with the version included in the stable repo |
| 13:34.26 | s4xxon | valdyn, no. |
| 13:34.48 | Darkside | so... i've got a fresh install od debian from the netinstall cd, i've added te unstable repos to sources.list, and im updating using synaptic |
| 13:34.58 | Darkside | will that update to the latest kernel too? |
| 13:35.04 | s4xxon | should i add backports repo ? |
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| 13:35.23 | valdyn | s4xxon: you should read the docs there at backports.org |
| 13:35.38 | valdyn | s4xxon: and look if they have newer kde |
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| 13:36.15 | s4xxon | okie, one serious question. could backports upgrades harm my system ? or do a kernel upgrade ? |
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| 13:36.22 | valdyn | s4xxon: oh and if kdevelop really adds something you really need because the burden of maintaining non-etch stuff can easily outweigh possible benefits from new versions |
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| 13:36.46 | valdyn | s4xxon: it does not change your kernel. |
| 13:36.53 | stew | s4xxon: you'd be able to get the kdelibs from backports you need in order to backport kdevelop, but you won't find kdevelop on backports |
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| 13:36.59 | valdyn | s4xxon: it only enables you to explicitely install a backports kernel |
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| 13:37.23 | s4xxon | i see |
| 13:37.51 | s4xxon | i'd better leave it... just freshly installed my system cause i was messing up with testing , dont want to do something stupid with backports |
| 13:37.57 | stew | actually no, the kdelibs4-dev on backports isn't new enough for the current sid pacakge, possibly for the previous sid package |
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| 13:38.55 | AnyFile | How do I check if I have a package install? |
| 13:39.14 | valdyn | AnyFile: dpkg -l <package> |
| 13:39.39 | Darkside | hrmm |
| 13:39.48 | Darkside | anyone here used the rt73 drivers? |
| 13:40.02 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 13:40.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 13:40.19 | Darkside | :P |
| 13:40.22 | valdyn | !justask |
| 13:40.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:40.28 | Darkside | hehehe |
| 13:40.36 | M0useP0t4t0 | :P |
| 13:40.42 | Darkside | aaaaaaaaanyway, i've apt-get installed rt73-common and source |
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| 13:40.56 | Darkside | i've got my usb wifi device hooked up tp usb |
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| 13:41.09 | Darkside | what else do i need to do? |
| 13:41.17 | Darkside | the readme's dont tell me anything useful |
| 13:41.22 | Darkside | in either common or source |
| 13:41.27 | valdyn | Darkside: im sure there's a /usr/share/doc/rt73*/README* |
| 13:41.33 | stew | Darkside: m-a a-i rt73 |
| 13:41.44 | valdyn | Darkside: you certainly need to do what stew just said and i think you need firmware too |
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| 13:41.53 | Darkside | firmware |
| 13:41.54 | Darkside | hmm |
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| 13:42.07 | stew | it seems the -common package is for fetching firmware |
| 13:42.07 | Darkside | actually, i've used it on the vacktrack distro before |
| 13:42.16 | Darkside | backtrack |
| 13:42.21 | valdyn | stew: it fetches it? |
| 13:42.25 | Darkside | i think i used a different versioon of the drivers |
| 13:42.29 | Darkside | v2.something |
| 13:42.29 | stew | valdyn: according to the package description |
| 13:42.41 | stew | "This package contains the configuration file for the driver and the update-rt73-firmware tool which downloads the firmware image file..." |
| 13:42.46 | Darkside | hmm |
| 13:42.59 | Darkside | by firmware image file it means? |
| 13:43.01 | valdyn | Darkside: so just run "update-rt73-firmware", see what that gives.. |
| 13:43.12 | Darkside | firmware for the evice? |
| 13:43.17 | valdyn | Darkside: yes |
| 13:43.22 | Darkside | or is that another way of saying drivers |
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| 13:43.39 | valdyn | Darkside: firmware is code that is loaded into the device |
| 13:43.43 | stew | Darkside: these days, wifi cards are software radios. the firmware is sorta the software wires the radio |
| 13:43.53 | Darkside | hrmm oooookay |
| 13:43.56 | stew | ^that wires |
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| 13:44.15 | Darkside | argh should find the tute that showed hoe to get it working in another distro |
| 13:44.22 | Darkside | i know its another distro, but it still might be useful |
| 13:44.27 | Darkside | (slightly) |
| 13:44.51 | valdyn | Darkside: a) install firmware b) compile driver as stew explained c) replug the card |
| 13:44.55 | valdyn | Darkside: that'S all |
| 13:45.05 | AnyFile | Where do I find security certificate signature (for ssl)? Is it correct it is the ca-certificates packeage? |
| 13:45.22 | Darkside | :D |
| 13:45.35 | stew | Darkside: and read /usr/share/doc/rt73-{common,source}/README[.Debian][.gz] |
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| 13:45.46 | Darkside | nice bracketing |
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| 13:46.44 | Darkside | hmm |
| 13:46.46 | Darkside | failed |
| 13:46.54 | Darkside | wasnt there something i had to do before? |
| 13:47.15 | Darkside | ah, m-a prepare |
| 13:47.16 | stew | Darkside: "m-a prepare" maybe, but it would be much easier to tell if you actually told us what failed or what error it got |
| 13:48.05 | Darkside | error just says maybe you need to add things to sources.list, maybe contrib, etc |
| 13:48.11 | Darkside | i think i need to m-a prepare :) |
| 13:48.34 | Darkside | just need to wait until all the updates have downloaded |
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| 13:49.15 | Darkside | i think i'm doing it correctly , i isntalled using a debian stable netinst cd, and have added the unstable repos to the sources,list |
| 13:49.24 | Darkside | now i'm doing an upsate using synaptic |
| 13:49.38 | Darkside | is that the right way to go to move to unstable? |
| 13:50.39 | AnyFile | What type of certificate are the *.crt ? How can I convert them to csr or p12? |
| 13:51.36 | stew | Darkside: why do you want to move to unstable? |
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| 13:52.19 | Darkside | because i'm running a desktop, not a server, and really high reliability isnt at the top of my priority list :) |
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| 13:52.52 | Darkside | plus i wouldn't mind updated versions of te software i use :) |
| 13:52.57 | stew | Darkside: why not testing? |
| 13:53.11 | Darkside | good point there :) |
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| 13:53.22 | Darkside | maybe i so like a bit of stability |
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| 13:53.40 | Darkside | i mean, unstable is basically stable isnt it? just with updates that arent security fixes |
| 13:53.47 | Darkside | well, are more than jut securit fixes |
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| 13:57.07 | odot | how can I install as86 and ld86 in Debian? |
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| 13:58.10 | stew | Darkside: upstable has lots of new packages upgraded to it everyday that have possibly never been tested by anyone |
| 13:58.18 | Eulex | !tell odot about search |
| 13:59.03 | Darkside | stew: ok, so i probably shouldn'y be doing a complete update then :) |
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| 13:59.06 | odot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.11 | Darkside | should just update the things i want updated |
| 13:59.27 | Eulex | odot, why do you assume that the package names include the names of the binaries? |
| 13:59.29 | azeem | odot: why do you need as86? |
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| 13:59.52 | odot | azeem: to write boot loader |
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| 14:00.06 | odot | Eulex: then how should I search? |
| 14:00.16 | Darkside | ok wtf, i've done m-a prepare |
| 14:00.17 | azeem | odot: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 14:00.21 | stew | Darkside: no, you can't mix stable with non-stable, as the libraries are incompatible, if you want newer pacakges on stable, you use backports, /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:00.25 | Darkside | and the compilation fails |
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| 14:00.42 | Darkside | :< |
| 14:00.47 | stew | Darkside: put the log from /var/cache/modass/ into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:01.13 | Darkside | uhm |
| 14:01.14 | Darkside | no log |
| 14:01.28 | odot | azeem: /asm# dpkg -S as86 |
| 14:01.28 | odot | dpkg: *as86* not found. |
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| 14:01.40 | Darkside | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.41 | Darkside | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.41 | Darkside | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.41 | azeem | odot: is that all that dpkg told you? |
| 14:01.48 | azeem | odot: I'm talking about dpkg, the irc bot here |
| 14:01.56 | Darkside | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.58 | odot | azeem: yes |
| 14:01.58 | Darkside | cripes ba dpaste |
| 14:02.02 | azeem | !search |
| 14:02.02 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 14:02.12 | azeem | odot: read past the first sentence |
| 14:02.29 | odot | I got my package. |
| 14:02.38 | stew | Darkside: you said you installed rt73-source, didn't you? |
| 14:02.42 | Darkside | yup |
| 14:02.50 | Darkside | from experimental, where it is |
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| 14:02.54 | odot | instead of saying so much, you could have simply said, do "apt-cache search as86" |
| 14:02.56 | RedsH | hello..what is the last debian release which supports kernel 2.4 (i am triying to deb-bootstrap a debian chroot for a cacko zaurus that has kernel 2.4)? |
| 14:03.07 | azeem | RedsH: etch |
| 14:03.15 | Darkside | i added that in temporarily to get it - should i put it back in? |
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| 14:03.29 | Darkside | <-- rather new to this stuff |
| 14:03.56 | RedsH | azeem-uni: i don't have any hope to see lenny work with 2.4, have I? |
| 14:03.56 | azeem | odot: it is not immediately clar taht apt-cache search as86 would have given the right answer |
| 14:03.59 | stew | Darkside: what does "dpkg -l rt73-source | tail -1" return? |
| 14:04.01 | azeem | RedsH: nope |
| 14:04.11 | odot | ok |
| 14:04.13 | tingle | hi im trying to minimalise my debian install since im sick of all the crap ubuntu pre-installs can i install xorg whitout needing to install the whole 'xorg' package? |
| 14:04.18 | Darkside | ii rt73-source 1.0.4.0.dfsg1-1~experimental2 RT73(RT2571W) Wireless Lan Linux Driver - kernel module sources |
| 14:04.18 | RedsH | azeem-uni: thanks |
| 14:04.23 | stew | RedsH: the last debian release that supports 2.4 is sarge |
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| 14:04.56 | azeem | yeah, well, etch doesn't officially support 2.4, but you can get it to run with some quirks |
| 14:05.07 | stew | right |
| 14:05.31 | stew | a zaurus is some small arm thingy, right? |
| 14:05.37 | RedsH | stew: do you think etch give me "FATAL: kernel too old" error? |
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| 14:05.44 | stew | so its not going to be trying to run mysql or postfix, which are known to not work |
| 14:06.16 | stew | RedsH: no, there are a few pieces of software that won't work, but I don't think it would affect you. |
| 14:06.21 | Eulex | odot, apt-cache search won't always help you. it searches only the package name and the description. in this case you were lucky, the description contained the name of the binary. |
| 14:06.23 | Darkside | any ideas stew ? |
| 14:06.25 | stew | RedsH: (mysql being a notable one that doesn't work with 2.4 anymore) |
| 14:06.42 | Eulex | odot, to _actually_ search for what package contains a specific file, use apt-file. |
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| 14:07.06 | odot | Eulex: apt-file search as86 gives no output |
| 14:07.16 | Eulex | odot, did you apt-file update? |
| 14:07.19 | odot | apt-cache search as86 |
| 14:07.19 | odot | bin86 - 16-bit x86 assembler and loader |
| 14:07.23 | odot | Eulex: yes |
| 14:07.29 | odot | but apt-cache search gives output |
| 14:07.38 | stew | Darkside: does rt73 show up in the list of modules when you run "m-a" by itself? |
| 14:07.46 | Eulex | odot, odd. apt-file works here. |
| 14:08.02 | odot | Eulex: is it able to locate the package for as86 ? |
| 14:08.02 | stew | Darkside: i would think that having the source package installed would be enough, but perhaps there are problems with it (which wouldn't be suprising since it is in experimental) |
| 14:08.10 | Eulex | odot, yes. |
| 14:08.12 | Darkside | yes its in the list |
| 14:08.17 | Darkside | but theres no text with it |
| 14:08.28 | Darkside | likie, no description |
| 14:08.35 | odot | # apt-file search as86 (this is the exact command I am trying) |
| 14:08.42 | odot | Eulex: are yu trying the exact same command? |
| 14:08.48 | Eulex | yes. |
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| 14:09.31 | Darkside | hrmm :< |
| 14:09.38 | Darkside | need wireless card to work =/ |
| 14:09.54 | Silvia | anyone has a multimedia hard drive with rj45 interface running on linux server? |
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| 14:10.24 | infinity0 | how do you type characters with accents quickly, instead of going to the charmap? |
| 14:10.36 | tingle | im trying to minimalise my debian install since im sick of all the crap ubuntu pre-installs can i install xorg whitout needing to install the whole 'xorg' package? |
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| 14:10.49 | FreezeS | hello |
| 14:10.59 | Eulex | infinity0, dead keys. |
| 14:11.02 | FreezeS | is there an equivalent to the "setup" command from CentOS ? |
| 14:11.06 | FreezeS | in debian |
| 14:11.13 | Eulex | FreezeS, which does what? |
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| 14:11.30 | FreezeS | sets the network, firewall, services from a ncurses interface |
| 14:11.46 | Eulex | which of those do you want to do? |
| 14:11.56 | FreezeS | most important, the network |
| 14:12.05 | FreezeS | usually I did dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 14:12.10 | FreezeS | but it's obsoleted in etch |
| 14:12.12 | infinity0 | Eulex: uh my keyboard doesn't seem to have any... every button types a character |
| 14:12.13 | Eulex | define 'set'. reconfigure ip etc? |
| 14:12.20 | FreezeS | yes |
| 14:12.26 | infinity0 | except the obvious modifiers/function-buttons |
| 14:12.35 | Silvia | anyone has a multimedia hard drive with rj45 interface running on linux server? Which format they are?. have then a client dhcp ?? Any help? |
| 14:12.38 | Eulex | FreezeS, edit /etc/network/interfaces, run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:12.44 | netdog | FreezeS: why not just vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:12.54 | Eulex | infinity0, you can change your keymap to have ones. |
| 14:12.55 | FreezeS | Eulex: I don't remember all the arguments |
| 14:12.59 | infinity0 | oh ok |
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| 14:13.11 | FreezeS | I know about those files, but a gui is a lot easier to work with |
| 14:13.23 | Eulex | FreezeS, of what? /etc/network/interfaces is a file. |
| 14:13.38 | FreezeS | and I don't like to read the manual for interfaces every time I want to change a network setting |
| 14:13.46 | FreezeS | normally I change it by using "ip" |
| 14:13.47 | Eulex | FreezeS, ncurses != graphical. |
| 14:14.04 | Eulex | FreezeS, you just have to learn it once. |
| 14:14.12 | FreezeS | Eulex: well, it's the closest possible in console mode |
| 14:14.27 | FreezeS | and I have a short memory when it comes to things like this :) |
| 14:15.01 | Eulex | if you want to change an ip, you should be able to just replace the current one in /etc/networking/interfaces with another. |
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| 14:15.18 | FreezeS | unless the nic was on dhcp before that... |
| 14:15.35 | Eulex | FreezeS, I keep commented-out configs for that. |
| 14:16.04 | FreezeS | yes, I do that sometimes, but I was thinking that there must be some gui somewhere to do it easily |
| 14:16.13 | netdog | FreezeS: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:16.23 | Eulex | FreezeS, I don't believe there is. |
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| 14:16.44 | FreezeS | oh well... |
| 14:17.04 | Jemt | Greetz. What would it take to create a CD that boots a kernel on an USB Flash Device ? My computer dosn't support booting from USB, so I have to boot from a CD I guess |
| 14:17.20 | Eulex | FreezeS, unless you create it ^^ |
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| 14:18.52 | Eulex | Jemt, perhaps you could use grub or lilo for that, if they support booting from usb. if they don't, you'll have to modify one of them so it does. and put them in the boot sector on a cd or floppy. |
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| 14:19.27 | Jemt | Eulex: GRUB does as far as I know. How do I create a bootable CD that boots up GRUB ? |
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| 14:20.04 | Eulex | Jemt, the grub manual knows. |
| 14:20.19 | Jemt | Oh, about creating CDs ? Great - thanks |
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| 14:21.32 | Darkside | quiiick question |
| 14:21.34 | Darkside | iwconfig |
| 14:21.47 | Jemt | Eulex: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD_002dROM.html - Thanks, mate :D |
| 14:21.52 | Darkside | actully nvm |
| 14:22.19 | Eulex | Jemt, yw |
| 14:22.31 | Silvia | anyone knows if there are multumedia hard-drive with rj45 interface? |
| 14:22.49 | Algaeman | I've used Smart Boot Manager for booting from CD on VMware. Should be able to boot a USB. |
| 14:23.25 | Algaeman | Silvia: explain your problem rather than what you think the solution is. |
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| 14:24.04 | Silvia | i wanna know if anyone has a multimedia hard drive with rj45 interface running on linux server? Which format they are?. have then a client dhcp ?? Any help?, where to find it |
| 14:24.21 | stew | Silvia: how is a multimedia hard drive different than a regular harddrive? |
| 14:24.52 | gridl0ck | Silvia, you mean like a LaCie drive with ethernet/>? |
| 14:25.14 | Silvia | stew, you connect it to dvd and dvd can explore directories while pc is off |
| 14:25.20 | Silvia | gridl0ck, yes |
| 14:25.22 | gridl0ck | Silvia, mine uses ext3 if you network it |
| 14:25.44 | Silvia | gridl0ck, can you connect it directly to dvd? |
| 14:26.01 | bwlang | can you tell which hash is in use by looking at a the hash representation? eg: "e0NSQV...Rk0=" |
| 14:26.04 | gridl0ck | Silvia, no i'm using a LaCie network drive - sorry misunderstood |
| 14:26.22 | stew | Silvia: this doesn't sound at all debian related. perhaps you should be asking in #hardware |
| 14:26.34 | bwlang | I'm trying to migrate from one ldap store to another without making the users change their passwords... |
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| 14:27.16 | alex_ | in etch how to you message other ssh users? |
| 14:27.20 | alex_ | which package is it? |
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| 14:27.32 | Eulex | Silvia, basically, it's not just a hdd, but it's a small computer which has as primary purpose to function as a file server? |
| 14:27.51 | stew | alex_: man write |
| 14:27.52 | bwlang | alex_: talk? |
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| 14:29.24 | AnyFile | How can I convert ssl certificate (in *.crt format) to pcks12 (*.p12) ? |
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| 14:30.15 | Algaeman | anyfile: openssl can convert many types, but it can't create information it doesn't have. |
| 14:30.18 | bwlang | AnyFile: I think opelssl x509 -in crtfile ... will do it ... use mad |
| 14:30.30 | bwlang | AnyFile: s/mad/man/ |
| 14:30.46 | bwlang | s/opelssl/openssl/ zoiks - typos |
| 14:31.24 | AnyFile | i was trying with openssl pkcs12, but it requires a certificate. Too many commands in the openssl man page .. too difficult to get the right one. Thanks |
| 14:32.03 | Algaeman | pkcs12 generally contains the private and public key, whereas a crt is just the public key. It can't make up the missing key. |
| 14:32.20 | Silvia | Eulex, this, can play without being on the server atached? |
| 14:32.30 | Silvia | Eulex, multimedia? |
| 14:32.53 | Eulex | Silvia, thus it is a small computer? |
| 14:33.00 | bwlang | AnyFile: you can put both multiple blocks (private, public, cert) into a pem file i think... |
| 14:33.19 | Algaeman | well, a NAS is just a small computer, and it seems like someone out there would make one with a dvd drive... |
| 14:34.28 | Silvia | Eulex, you can flash it and install a debian inside? |
| 14:34.43 | Silvia | for example as a client emule? Eulex |
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| 14:35.13 | stew | AnyFile: openssl pkcs12 -export -in foo.crt -inkey foo.key -out foo.p12 |
| 14:35.19 | Eulex | Silvia, perhaps. depends a lot on the the hardware. |
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| 14:36.23 | AnyFile | yes, but I do not have the inkey. I just need to supply public keys so that a download program can be checked as signed (and the required format for the key is p12) |
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| 14:37.17 | stew | AnyFile: (i think) instead of "-inkey foo.key" use "-nokeys" |
| 14:37.21 | Eulex | AnyFile, perhaps add some random private key? if it just uses the public key that might work. |
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| 14:46.56 | linux4me | where can i download debian sarge? i'm trying to install ultra monkey and they only have a redhat el3 and debian sarge package |
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| 14:47.20 | dbmoodb | how do i remove harden-environment - i installed it and now it's just being a bother - how do i undo what it did ? |
| 14:47.26 | alex_ | linux4me, install from source |
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| 14:48.25 | dbmoodb | no one ? |
| 14:48.28 | linux4me | alex_ - that's the problem, i download the source for ultra monkey, extract it but I can't seem to do a configure or make |
| 14:48.39 | alex_ | your missing libaries |
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| 14:48.45 | alex_ | ive install ultra monkeynuts on etch |
| 14:48.46 | linux4me | i'm using ubuntu gutsy btw |
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| 14:48.50 | alex_ | installed* |
| 14:48.52 | alex_ | ahh wel..... |
| 14:48.56 | alex_ | .......... |
| 14:48.59 | abrotman | linux4me: check some of the CD mirrors ..y ou can still get ISOs |
| 14:49.00 | alex_ | this is #debian |
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| 14:49.05 | alex_ | not 'ubuntu |
| 14:49.15 | dbmoodb | eh ? |
| 14:49.21 | dbmoodb | linux4me |
| 14:49.24 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 14:49.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 14:49.27 | alex_ | anyway you can get debian sarge from www.debian.org |
| 14:49.44 | Nihill | sarge isnt sarge a bit long in the tooth these days? |
| 14:49.48 | Anthro | alex_: You mean etch, don't you? |
| 14:49.55 | abrotman | Nihill: yes |
| 14:49.58 | alex_ | Anthro, he was asking for sarge |
| 14:50.02 | alex_ | Anthro, thanks. |
| 14:50.08 | dbmoodb | anyone help me with my problem ? |
| 14:50.09 | Anthro | alex_: Ah, missed that. |
| 14:50.21 | abrotman | ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/ |
| 14:50.22 | alex_ | !ask |
| 14:50.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:50.40 | Anthro | dbmoodb: apt-get remove --purge harden-environment |
| 14:50.44 | alex_ | dbmoodb, explain wtf you did |
| 14:50.45 | dbmoodb | nice |
| 14:50.57 | alex_ | ahh. :) |
| 14:50.58 | dbmoodb | oh i did install it for security and now i hate it |
| 14:51.03 | dbmoodb | block stupid rename etc. |
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| 14:52.52 | dbmoodb | lets hope this works |
| 14:53.37 | maxamillion | have the nvidia drivers been removed from the testing repo for the time being? ... i tried to 'm-a a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel' and module assistant said it couldn't find the package nvidia-kernel-source |
| 14:53.47 | dbmoodb | really why ? |
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| 14:54.12 | s4xxon | hello, i just i am using stable release etch, and just added backports repo. but for some strange reason my system doesnt find not even 1 upgrade |
| 14:54.42 | linux4me | i'll search around for a mirror. tks. |
| 14:55.00 | h3sp4wn | sam55: Yep I just followed the instructions |
| 14:55.09 | maxamillion | s4xxon: did you read the docs from the backport website? ... it doesn't work like that |
| 14:55.37 | s4xxon | well i did read everything in http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions and how to add the repo and the key |
| 14:55.48 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: I did too, the ones on Mozilla's website, but they force me to disable Pango. I cannot do that. Can MathML be made to work without disabling Pango? |
| 14:55.55 | s4xxon | ohh ok |
| 14:56.02 | s4xxon | i missed the line with the upgrade thing , sorry |
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| 14:56.58 | abrotman | maxamillion: yes they have |
| 14:56.59 | h3sp4wn | sam55: dunno I disable pango anyway |
| 14:57.11 | h3sp4wn | sam55: Makes it unacceptably slow for me |
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| 14:57.51 | dbmoodb | ah guys |
| 14:57.53 | dbmoodb | it didn't work |
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| 14:57.57 | dcnoye | how do you change from dhcp network setting to static ? |
| 14:58.01 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.01 | dbmoodb | Bareword "tests" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 14:58.15 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah, good to know |
| 14:58.16 | psyche_ | dcnoye nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:58.22 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: ok. I have read someplace that the MathML problem should be fixed in Firefox 3.0!! There is also a bug files in Debian and somebody posted a patch too. But looks like no one's intrested in using that patch and the developers are waiting for FF 3.0 release. |
| 14:58.32 | dcnoye | psyche_: thanks |
| 14:58.42 | fyrestrtr | man its a zoo in #ubuntu |
| 14:58.48 | psyche_ | why? |
| 14:58.53 | dbmoodb | lol -> they are from testing |
| 14:58.56 | dbmoodb | so yeah |
| 14:58.59 | fyrestrtr | new release |
| 14:59.03 | dbmoodb | gutsy ? |
| 14:59.05 | psyche_ | fyrestrtr what kind of animals is there? |
| 14:59.06 | dbmoodb | break anything ? |
| 14:59.07 | abrotman | fyrestrtr: this isn't the channel to talk about it |
| 14:59.16 | fyrestrtr | the worse kind ... newbies :) |
| 14:59.25 | psyche_ | when lenny is coming? |
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| 14:59.30 | abrotman | !wir |
| 14:59.30 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 14:59.55 | ezguy | hi, iam running kernel 2.6.21 (Debian) and forcedeth 0.60. the nic stop working and I have to unplugged the network cable from eth0 and plugged it into eth1 and remapped the IP address, and the system started functioning on the network, again. any ideas? |
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| 15:00.02 | sam55 | fyrestrtr: you haven't seen WIndows newsgroups yet. If #ubuntu is zoo, then WIndows newsgroups are the whole world gone berserk! |
| 15:00.04 | dbmoodb | btw |
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| 15:00.31 | fabprita | hi |
| 15:00.47 | sam55 | ezguy: do you have network-manager installed? |
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| 15:01.09 | psyche_ | sam55 you just said forbidden word |
| 15:01.16 | ezguy | i am not sure what that is? |
| 15:01.25 | sam55 | psyche_ ?? |
| 15:01.29 | psyche_ | "W*n*o*s" |
| 15:01.34 | fabprita | What is the maximum amount of ram that i can install on a i386 pc? I mean that Debian cans menage |
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| 15:01.40 | sam55 | Oh! |
| 15:01.43 | dbmoodb | fine |
| 15:01.45 | cahoot | ezguy, udev renamed the interface? /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:01.47 | psyche_ | "W*ndows" |
| 15:01.57 | dbmoodb | how to i remove that thing ? |
| 15:02.10 | petemc | fabprita: 64 gig |
| 15:02.18 | Anthro | dbmoodb: You are misusing rename. You want mv. |
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| 15:02.25 | ezguy | cahoot, don't know |
| 15:02.34 | fyrestrtr | petemc: are you sure? I thought 4 GB was maximum for non-64 bit. |
| 15:02.36 | dbmoodb | oh really ? |
| 15:02.36 | h3sp4wn | fabprita: If you wish to not use pae then its 3.5gb (if you are using i386) |
| 15:02.38 | dbmoodb | so it's my fault ? |
| 15:02.39 | sam55 | psyche_: but it is so true. One really appreciates the excellence of the Debian community if one wanders there for a few minutes. There it is a huge chaos. No one knows what he is really talking about. |
| 15:02.39 | petemc | fyrestrtr: pae |
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| 15:02.46 | fabprita | petemc: dou you mean a 64 bit system? |
| 15:02.53 | petemc | fabprita: no |
| 15:02.53 | fyrestrtr | !pae |
| 15:02.53 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 15:02.53 | cahoot | ezguy, nm I'm probably mistaken anyway |
| 15:02.55 | dbmoodb | oh that's a good thing .. so i need to use rename only for files and not dirs ? |
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| 15:03.22 | psyche_ | KO |
| 15:03.28 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: iirc .. that still uses PAE |
| 15:03.37 | psyche_ | winner from knokout |
| 15:03.40 | s4xxon | one more question if possible. when trying to do a dist-upgrade with backports the following package is being kept back : linux-image-2.6-686 . why is that ? |
| 15:04.06 | dcnoye | psyche_: where do i change the gateway info? |
| 15:04.19 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I thought it didn't pae is alot more computationally expensive (but I use 64 kernel with a 32 bit userland see's all 4gb no messing around except kernel modules) |
| 15:04.22 | ezguy | the nic work for a few days or weeks and then it stop for some unknow reasons. sometime i have to restart the system to make the nic works again. |
| 15:04.26 | sam55 | hmm |
| 15:04.42 | cydork | s4xxon: dist-upgrade with backports? why? just install what you want. |
| 15:04.48 | psyche_ | dcnoye just type "gateway <gw>" |
| 15:04.51 | fabprita | if my mb supports 8 gb of ram and it is a i386 32 bit may i use 64 gb as petemc said? |
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| 15:05.08 | dcnoye | will that persist after reboot? |
| 15:05.28 | ezguy | does this sound like a kernel/driver bug or hardware failure issues |
| 15:05.31 | petemc | fabprita: thats the limit for pae, id like to see a motherboard for 32bit processors with slots for 64 gig of ram |
| 15:05.36 | wols | dcnoye: yes |
| 15:05.39 | s4xxon | cause i want to install the new kde , thats almost every package |
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| 15:05.54 | dcnoye | is there a file where that info is stored ? |
| 15:06.06 | wols | dcnoye: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 15:06.19 | dbmoodb | !rename |
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| 15:06.43 | wols | damn. bot is gone |
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| 15:07.20 | petemc | dpkg: yo |
| 15:07.20 | dpkg | Wazzup man? |
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| 15:07.32 | psyche_ | dcnoye |
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| 15:07.40 | psyche_ | http://pastebin.com/d6b4e64e2 <-- here is paste from my interfaces |
| 15:07.48 | dcnoye | thanks |
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| 15:07.50 | psyche_ | from webserver |
| 15:08.11 | martoss | rm: cannot remove `aquota.user': Operation not permitted |
| 15:08.11 | martoss | , what can i do about this? |
| 15:08.26 | dcnoye | sweet, thanks, |
| 15:08.27 | martoss | /dev/sda5 on /home type ext3 (rw) |
| 15:08.27 | martoss | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.33 | martoss | any ideas? |
| 15:10.07 | Nihill | why? |
| 15:10.15 | Nihill | 64gb of ram is pointless |
| 15:10.24 | fyrestrtr | not in all domains. |
| 15:10.32 | fyrestrtr | large scale processing can eat up that RAM |
| 15:10.51 | Nihill | yes but how many people do that? |
| 15:10.54 | petemc | lots |
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| 15:11.44 | fyrestrtr | Nihill: a render farm can easily consume tons of ram. |
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| 15:12.17 | valdyn | fyrestrtr: per mainboard? not usually |
| 15:12.34 | fyrestrtr | in total. |
| 15:12.45 | Nihill | well thats not one motherboard is it? |
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| 15:13.19 | Nihill | having over four gig of memory isnt even the norm these days |
| 15:13.53 | fyrestrtr | the highest I have seen is the macpro, which can support 16GB of RAM |
| 15:13.59 | Eulex | another amd64 vs i386 conversation? |
| 15:14.23 | valdyn | im fscking one single xfs partition right now |
| 15:14.33 | valdyn | 5G virtual, 3.5G resident |
| 15:14.39 | valdyn | wish i had more ram |
| 15:14.42 | fyrestrtr | Nihill: most of our servers have 4 GB RAM, my new laptop will have 4 GB RAM. |
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| 15:15.15 | fyrestrtr | I wonder a motherboard with that many ram slots .. has got to be huge. |
| 15:15.37 | valdyn | fyrestrtr: www.sgi.com might have pictures |
| 15:15.40 | wols | 4way mobos are already huge |
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| 15:16.07 | rmaj | grave bugs of libssl0.9.8 (0.9.8e-6 -> 0.9.8e-9) <pending> |
| 15:16.15 | rmaj | for like a week... is anyone going to fix it/ |
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| 15:16.23 | valdyn | rmaj: why are you using sid? |
| 15:16.31 | valdyn | rmaj: or is that lenny? |
| 15:16.35 | Anthro | Does an ITP bug ever expire? |
| 15:16.43 | rmaj | valdyn: Im using testing because stable lacks software that I use |
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| 15:17.10 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: that bug didn't affect me (i386) |
| 15:17.15 | valdyn | rmaj: lenny reaction time is 10+ days |
| 15:17.28 | wols | Nihill: http://www.alternate.de/html/product/details.html?articleId=159509&showTechData=true#tecData supports 65556 MB aka 64GB |
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| 15:17.49 | waltz | the HighPoint RocketRaid 3xxx driver is broken in 4.0 r1 |
| 15:17.58 | valdyn | rmaj: you'd be lucky if that bug had been fixed already days ago and the migration of that package to lenny would be much sooner |
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| 15:18.09 | rmaj | other problem: how to install ktorrent |
| 15:18.20 | rmaj | If Im installing ktorrent then debian wants to uninstall k3b, wtf? |
| 15:18.29 | valdyn | despite popular recommendations IMO lenny is a bad choice for a system to get work done |
| 15:18.46 | Nihill | wols, great but why would I want that for a desktop? |
| 15:18.59 | rmaj | how to use ktorrent and k3b? |
| 15:19.00 | valdyn | rmaj: thats conflicting dependencies |
| 15:19.04 | valdyn | rmaj: not a direct conflict |
| 15:19.15 | rmaj | libogre5c2a |
| 15:19.27 | valdyn | rmaj: same as for the ssl bug, you wait a week or more for that to be solved, usually |
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| 15:19.39 | wols | to win a dicksize war |
| 15:19.43 | valdyn | rmaj: - or you backports sid packages |
| 15:19.43 | Nihill | why does everyone assume because you use linux you have twenty million servers |
| 15:19.47 | rmaj | valdyn: this really is irritiating users |
| 15:19.58 | valdyn | rmaj: that's ok, testing is not for users |
| 15:20.05 | rmaj | so what is for users? |
| 15:20.07 | wols | rmaj: testing and unstable are NOT for users |
| 15:20.10 | valdyn | rmaj: stable |
| 15:20.11 | wols | stable is |
| 15:20.28 | rmaj | it do not have at all some of software I would like to use |
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| 15:20.49 | rmaj | or have bugs that had been fixed year ago by upstream |
| 15:21.33 | valdyn | rmaj: that's how software works, period |
| 15:21.43 | Darkside | hrmm |
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| 15:22.00 | Darkside | application wants GTK+ 2.6.0 (at least) |
| 15:22.02 | rmaj | valdyn: then how come there are systems, and also linux distros that do not have this problem? |
| 15:22.13 | Darkside | i was sure i had that installed... maybe not |
| 15:22.18 | rmaj | I know, if I dont like it I can switch, but perhaps debian can be better in this area? |
| 15:23.04 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: More bugs are inevitably introduced also |
| 15:23.18 | abrotman | Darkside: libgtk2.0-dev maybe ? |
| 15:23.26 | Darkside | mebe |
| 15:23.31 | Darkside | might jsut install the gimp :P |
| 15:23.32 | rmaj | h3sp4wn: not beeing to use at all k3b or ktorrent seems like a bigger problem then some bug in k3b, doesnt it? |
| 15:23.46 | Darkside | wanted that anyway, and the gtk would come as a dependency anyway |
| 15:24.06 | rmaj | if k3b and ktorrent conflicts, why not just install a bit older version of them, or install different versions of their deps so both apps will be happy? |
| 15:24.22 | valdyn | rmaj: and debian in this special case, but the ms world isnt really different there either |
| 15:24.46 | wols | rmaj: cause you are supposed to be able to do that on your own if you run testing or unstable |
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| 15:25.14 | rmaj | valdyn: I do not rememer EVER windows forcing user to uninstall program A to use program B. (except extra rare cases like installing two firewalls at once or something) |
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| 15:25.38 | valdyn | rmaj: or getting a shiny new desktop, but a system that crashes when copying files |
| 15:25.39 | rmaj | valdyn: don't want to get offtopic, so, why not install both libs so that both apps can run? |
| 15:25.41 | wols | yes. in windows something will simply "not work" |
| 15:26.02 | stew | rmaj: what are the two libs in question? do they have different sonames? |
| 15:26.03 | wols | and you will have hosed the system itself too |
| 15:26.06 | rmaj | wols: well I never seen any such problem in 5+ years of using it.. so, any example? |
| 15:26.19 | rmaj | stew: dunno, k3b and ktorrent in testing conflict |
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| 15:26.34 | rmaj | k3d actually |
| 15:26.42 | wols | rmaj: recently the german tax preparation program didn't work anymore after installing a MS approved update |
| 15:26.51 | rmaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.53 | wols | but only if you had a realtek audio card |
| 15:27.22 | rmaj | wols: ok perhaps there are such cases, but I never seen one (5+ years) and I seen tons of examples on Debian (2+ year) |
| 15:27.24 | stew | rmaj: they are both the same soname, which means that the libraries are going to produce identical files, so they can't both be installed |
| 15:27.49 | stew | rmaj: this likely just means that one or the other just needs to be recompiled |
| 15:27.52 | rmaj | stew: so how come they conflict? lib broken API and new sub-version can not be used? |
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| 15:28.15 | stew | rmaj: oh, wait, why is libopenexr2c2a not installable? |
| 15:28.30 | rmaj | stew: because if upstream changed API without changing soname then someone should be spanked |
| 15:28.40 | wols | rmaj: you never ran beta windows either (well.... of course that's kinda debatable with the qindows quality...) |
| 15:29.06 | rmaj | uhm |
| 15:29.11 | rmaj | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 15:29.11 | rmaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.14 | wols | stew: cause it's not in testing.libopenexr2ldb 1.2.2 is |
| 15:29.16 | mike1o | im running an amd-64 kernel, is it possible to use a 32bit kernel with chroot? |
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| 15:29.27 | valdyn | mike1o: no |
| 15:29.28 | wols | mike1o: no. you can run a 32bit chroot tho |
| 15:29.34 | valdyn | mike1o: chroot does not change the kernel |
| 15:29.37 | rmaj | wols: I do not want to run BETA bleeding edge apps... but a year old is a bit too old imho |
| 15:29.38 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: use uml |
| 15:29.40 | wols | mike1o: you can only have 1 kernel unless you create a virtual machine |
| 15:29.48 | mike1o | aha |
| 15:29.54 | stew | wols: if libopenexr2ldb |
| 15:29.54 | valdyn | mike1o: why do you think you need a 32bit kernel? |
| 15:29.55 | wols | rmaj: XP was 5 year old! |
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| 15:30.01 | stew | oh |
| 15:30.08 | rmaj | wols: and runnig apps released even a day ago |
| 15:30.11 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: If you use the skas patches its quite fast |
| 15:30.27 | valdyn | rmaj: debian runs 3rd party apps just fine |
| 15:30.29 | Darkside | pwned |
| 15:30.36 | wols | rmaj: office was 3 years old until office 2007. your arguments make no sense |
| 15:30.37 | mike1o | valdyn, I found out that my dvb-t usb stick only works with 2.6.21 32bit |
| 15:30.45 | valdyn | rmaj: you're free to use those, just don't expect debian packages to be that new |
| 15:30.48 | mike1o | !uml |
| 15:30.48 | dpkg | i guess uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 15:30.58 | rmaj | valdyn: as for now debian have more trouble running "legitimate" ktorrent, then some 3rd party closed skype... wtf? |
| 15:31.10 | valdyn | mike1o: then you need the native kernel to be 32-bit |
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| 15:31.13 | stew | rmaj: use stable |
| 15:31.19 | mike1o | valdyn, yup |
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| 15:31.24 | rmaj | stew: how to use say tor there |
| 15:31.24 | valdyn | rmaj: im not talking about skype, im talking about 3rd party ktorrent or kde packages |
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| 15:31.38 | rmaj | valdyn: ok, how to install 3rd party ktorrent |
| 15:31.47 | stew | rmaj: install it from bacports.org |
| 15:31.52 | stew | rmaj: err backports.org |
| 15:31.56 | rmaj | perhaps debian would be better off using 3rd party apps then? |
| 15:32.10 | valdyn | oh man |
| 15:32.19 | mike1o | valdyn, is uml emulated? |
| 15:32.24 | disq | hey, got a problem upgrading debianutils. tries to overwrite /usr/sbin/add-shell, which is provided by the package passwd. exits with a broken pipe. ideas? |
| 15:32.26 | hark | heh, he's at it again :) |
| 15:32.33 | valdyn | mike1o: its a kernel that doesnt run on hardware but on the linux kernel |
| 15:32.44 | valdyn | mike1o: it does not solve your problem |
| 15:32.54 | mike1o | oh ok... |
| 15:33.05 | rmaj | user wants to use applicatio A B and C, he can not do it in debian, do you think he will be happy? Is there a good solution to this problem nowdays? A and B conflict in testing, C is not in stable |
| 15:33.12 | wols | mike1o: with paravirtualization it might work what you need but only might |
| 15:33.13 | valdyn | mike1o: emulated is the wrong word really though, its just a kernel that uses an api, instead of using hardware |
| 15:33.17 | mike1o | valdyn, are u saying I should create a partition with a separate 32bit system? |
| 15:33.19 | rmaj | (also C is not in backports) |
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| 15:33.29 | valdyn | mike1o: that'S what you need to use that driver |
| 15:33.36 | petemc | rmaj: package it yourself |
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| 15:33.49 | stew | rmaj: what is C? |
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| 15:33.55 | rmaj | petemc: this it solution for newbie 12 yo user? |
| 15:34.04 | valdyn | rmaj: i wish you would think it thru, and see the work that debian would need to do to support all versions people might wish to have |
| 15:34.05 | rmaj | stew: I think tor is an example |
| 15:34.12 | stew | rmaj: tor is in backports |
| 15:34.14 | hark | rmaj: tor is in backports |
| 15:34.15 | valdyn | rmaj: so it does not, but you can look for those things elsewhere |
| 15:34.33 | rmaj | stew: how to check where given application is (i.e. backports) |
| 15:34.41 | stew | rmaj: http://pacakges.debian.org/packagename |
| 15:34.52 | stew | rmaj: s#pacakges#packages# |
| 15:35.02 | rmaj | what if C and B conflict in backports? is it as often as conflcist in testing? |
| 15:35.06 | rmaj | * C and D |
| 15:35.06 | stew | rmaj: they don't |
| 15:35.30 | rmaj | if backport is so good and conflicts frree, why not use it by default? |
| 15:35.39 | stew | rmaj: becuase its not debian |
| 15:35.54 | rmaj | so the solution is to use... not debian? |
| 15:36.02 | stew | rmaj: you'll get no guaranteed security support if you use backports for instance |
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| 15:36.31 | rmaj | I think debian is cool distro, but if we keep irritating users we will not have too many of them |
| 15:36.35 | stew | rmaj: if you rebuild both these pacakges on your testing system with your current libraries, you could likely install them |
| 15:36.37 | mike1o | valdyn, so the other partition will get automatically detected by grub? |
| 15:36.59 | rmaj | normal user (or tired user, like me now) wants to click, click and run a program, not discuss horu long on IRC the solution :/ |
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| 15:37.12 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: so use a mac or windows etc |
| 15:37.15 | stew | rmaj: we don't really care. its made by volunteers that volunteer becuase they want to use it, not in order to build a large user base |
| 15:37.16 | rmaj | (thanks for the help anyway though I wil try backports :) |
| 15:37.22 | rmaj | h3sp4wn: which is not good, is it |
| 15:37.45 | valdyn | mike1o: the debian installation you are adding will detect current installations |
| 15:37.46 | wols | rmaj: according to you it's better than debian. so why are you waiting? |
| 15:37.53 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: Why not ? no point using linux/unix/bsd etc without the cli |
| 15:37.55 | stew | rmaj: realize that you'll need to reinstall stable to use backporst |
| 15:37.55 | rmaj | so noone see why large user base is good? No wonder worst system ever wins on desktop |
| 15:37.57 | mike1o | rmaj, use ubuntu |
| 15:38.01 | stew | rmaj: or rebuild the packages in testing |
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| 15:38.14 | wols | rmaj: with debian you have two choices: help debian to accomplish whatever you want to use some other OS |
| 15:38.23 | valdyn | rmaj: that's not really debian goal, to win anywhere |
| 15:38.23 | petemc | or use whats available.. |
| 15:38.24 | rmaj | h3sp4wn: why? I know linux users that do not use CLI |
| 15:38.48 | rmaj | valdyn: is Debian goal to be forgoten or exotic distro and end up like Amiga or HURD? |
| 15:38.48 | beardy | Then they're not really using it. |
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| 15:38.56 | valdyn | rmaj: read the debian policy |
| 15:38.58 | DawnLight | my lag is unbelieveable |
| 15:39.04 | stew | rmaj: for debian's goal: /msg dpkg sc |
| 15:39.34 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: Well I cannot see much advantage for them to do that |
| 15:39.43 | rmaj | having small user base defeats goal 2 |
| 15:39.46 | rmaj | 2) We will give back to the free software community |
| 15:39.54 | valdyn | !troll |
| 15:39.55 | dpkg | troll is probably [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
| 15:39.57 | valdyn | sorry! |
| 15:40.11 | petemc | rmaj: you confuse what you want with what everyone wants, debian works really well for lots of people |
| 15:40.23 | stew | rmaj: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project is probably the right place for the discussion you are trying to have, not this channel |
| 15:40.24 | rmaj | valdyn: sorry, did I said something wrong? |
| 15:40.26 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: Its the Debian Developers that give back not the users anyway |
| 15:40.36 | stew | rmaj: no, you are just straying off-topic |
| 15:40.46 | rmaj | debian goals are offtopic in #debian ? |
| 15:40.49 | stew | yes |
| 15:41.04 | rmaj | huh thats a surprise |
| 15:41.07 | valdyn | there is a debian-politics channel maybe |
| 15:41.07 | stew | rmaj: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project is the right place to be discussing how debian could better itself |
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| 15:41.24 | stew | rmaj: this channel is for support. if you want help with your current problem, we will continue to help you |
| 15:41.42 | stew | rmaj: but really, this is the wrong forum to try to change fundamental ways in which debian operates. |
| 15:41.44 | rmaj | stew: well I need to use ktorrent and amule, without reinstalling everything |
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| 15:42.01 | Darkside | hrmmmmmmmm |
| 15:42.01 | stew | rmaj: rebuild the pacakges |
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| 15:42.02 | Darkside | ok, completely updated |
| 15:42.06 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: i386 ? |
| 15:42.12 | rmaj | stew: how to do it exacly? |
| 15:42.14 | rmaj | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 15:42.26 | h3sp4wn | rmaj: Both work on my sid so you could do the lenny/sid mix thing |
| 15:42.30 | stew | rmaj: first, run "aptitude install ktorrent amule" and show us the output; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:44.16 | rmaj | http://rafb.net/p/pauohT54.html |
| 15:45.10 | stew | rmaj: are you sources pointing only at testing or testing and unstable? |
| 15:45.21 | Darkside | hmm |
| 15:45.29 | rmaj | stew: stable and testing; previously they had also unstable |
| 15:45.39 | Darkside | im getting some fun little errors on apt-get installing things.. something to do with openoffice-core |
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| 15:46.09 | Darkside | let me see ifi can copy the log from synaptic |
| 15:46.12 | stew | rmaj: so the big problem is that it wants to remove k3d? |
| 15:46.20 | rmaj | stew: yeap, I need k3d |
| 15:46.27 | cmanns | How do I change the default loading kernel? |
| 15:46.32 | stew | rmaj: so try "aptitude install ktorrent amule k3d" |
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| 15:46.40 | wols | cmanns: install a new one, edit your menu.lst |
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| 15:47.04 | stew | rmaj: or, what would be better is to run "aptitude" and sort all these dependencies out in the frontend. |
| 15:47.14 | cmanns | My menu.lst has smp and regular kernel, I cant tell how to switch betwen them |
| 15:47.14 | rmaj | stew: simmilar result it wants to remove k3d... |
| 15:47.34 | stew | rmaj: what does "aptitude why-not k3d" say? |
| 15:47.50 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, if i get a DMA timeout, error on say /dev/foo, is the RAM borked or the hard disk, badblocks doesnt show anythin fishy, so does memtest which was run for about 8 hours |
| 15:48.01 | Darkside | http://pastebin.ca/742495 <--- fun fun fun |
| 15:48.06 | Darkside | (in the sun sun sun) |
| 15:48.13 | rmaj | stew: well it says that unknown option.. |
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| 15:48.32 | cmanns | btw this is a server so I cant change during boot, so I'd need to change the default selected. |
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| 15:48.42 | cmanns | I don't have physical access too* |
| 15:48.44 | stew | oh, k3d isn't in testing |
| 15:48.50 | xpato | how can i redirect the standar error and output to a file? |
| 15:48.55 | stew | rmaj: yeah, k3d was removed from testing for this reason |
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| 15:49.09 | stew | rmaj: so install ktorrent amule, then backport k3d from unstable |
| 15:49.12 | rmaj | stew: because it is borked by upsteread and requires strange libs versions? |
| 15:49.25 | stew | rmaj: no, becuase there was a lib transition |
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| 15:49.51 | cmanns | Oh I have menu.lst~ would it read off of that? |
| 15:49.53 | stew | (i'm guessing.. but removing things from testing for a lib trasition is common) |
| 15:49.53 | rmaj | stew: btw, why not introduce more detailed sonames like .5.123 or whatever to solve such problems? |
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| 15:50.16 | Darkside | http://pastebin.ca/742495 <-- anyone? |
| 15:50.17 | s4xxon | some packages in backports are the same as in testing as well. is there any difference between them ? |
| 15:50.49 | Darkside | note that all the error stuff happens no matter what i try and install |
| 15:51.10 | stew | rmaj: i'm not sure this has anything to do with sonames |
| 15:51.12 | Darkside | i gues its because theres one package that tries to be installed each time i run apt-get |
| 15:51.19 | stew | rmaj: nor do I have any control over such things |
| 15:51.23 | Darkside | that libcln4 one |
| 15:51.24 | valdyn | s4xxon: maybe same upstream version, they are not the same |
| 15:51.36 | s4xxon | i see. |
| 15:52.15 | stew | rmaj: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/k3d/news/20070823T223911Z.html |
| 15:52.52 | s4xxon | one more question , is it safe to do just a package upgrade from the testing repo and not a whole distro upgrade ? |
| 15:53.09 | valdyn | s4xxon: you shouldnt do that, you should backports the package |
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| 15:53.33 | valdyn | s4xxon: there'S special cases where people who know what they are doing can just install the testing package |
| 15:53.34 | s4xxon | some packages are not in the backports repo. like kdevelop, xchat , tvtime |
| 15:53.44 | valdyn | s4xxon: backport it yourself |
| 15:53.53 | s4xxon | ohh. wish to knew how :) |
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| 15:54.02 | Eulex | s4xxon, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:54.08 | rmaj | bbl |
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| 15:54.08 | valdyn | !simple lenny backport |
| 15:54.12 | stew | rmaj: this transition is happening becuase of this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=430286 |
| 15:54.14 | s4xxon | going to testing caused me some problems with the kernel |
| 15:54.39 | valdyn | s4xxon: just follow what dpkg sais about simple sid backport, just use lenny instead of sid |
| 15:54.50 | s4xxon | lenny is testing |
| 15:54.57 | valdyn | right |
| 15:55.06 | zicho | What is a good program to record audio with? |
| 15:55.14 | s4xxon | as i said. upgrading to lenny testing caused me some problems cause of the kernel that it installed |
| 15:55.29 | s4xxon | thats why i wanna keep my old kernel and upgrade just some software i use pretty often |
| 15:55.34 | s4xxon | like those that i did mention above |
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| 15:55.37 | tarrybone | s4xxon: the point of backports is doing that |
| 15:55.45 | stew | rmaj: so since the new openexr is in, you can rebuild the k3d source package from unstable with "apt-get build-dep k3d ; apt-get -b source k3d" (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 15:55.51 | disq | still looking for a way to upgrade debianutils: http://www.pastebin.ca/742507 |
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| 15:56.33 | s4xxon | i read what dpkg told me , but how to backport a new version of an application that is not included in the repo. thats what i dont get |
| 15:56.38 | Eulex | s4xxon, I'd say that running lenny but with an etch kernel is prettty safe. at least currently. |
| 15:56.40 | daveinthesky | zicho: rezound, perhaps |
| 15:56.49 | Eulex | s4xxon, that's why you add a deb-src entry for lenny. |
| 15:56.52 | stew | disq: you are trying to upgrade from sarge to lenny, skipping sarge, and skipping releases is not supported |
| 15:57.07 | stew | disq: you should first upgrade to etch (the current stable), /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:57.09 | s4xxon | oh got that |
| 15:57.14 | disq | i did that before |
| 15:57.23 | disq | maybe it didn't work correctly |
| 15:57.26 | stew | disq: err, skipping etch, not skpping sarge |
| 15:57.35 | bjoernb | thanks to debian for supporting so many architectures. i got a sun ultra sparc this week and debian now is running on that machine. i felt comfortable to be in a known environment. thanks to all that do the hard work for debian, especially those who support architectures other than x86. |
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| 15:57.50 | stew | disq: you are trying to replace debianutils from sarge with debianutils from lenny, so you aren't yet upgraded from sarge->etch |
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| 15:58.26 | disq | maybe it's just that package, i'll check |
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| 15:58.37 | disq | thanks |
| 15:59.06 | quitte | hi. Is there a way to play real media on amd64? |
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| 16:02.56 | tingle | what is the default xterm config file? i would like to add some line so i can switch in irssi using meta key |
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| 16:05.18 | hark | tingle: /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm . To add your own ~/.Xresources |
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| 16:05.36 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 16:06.30 | faber4 | is there an easy way to block certain dns request for certain ip addresses ? |
| 16:06.36 | hark | tingle: try with meta sends escape (ctl+left click) |
| 16:07.36 | stew | faber4: be more specific |
| 16:07.42 | tingle | it worked no i just need to addjust the font size.. is there a easy way of doing it? i read a howto whit the 'right-click-menu' from xterm but cant figure it out |
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| 16:08.03 | hark | tingle: man xterm |
| 16:08.30 | faber4 | stew: i want to block certain dns requests from a certain pc in our office |
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| 16:08.45 | hark | tingle: though ctl+right click is what you're looking for |
| 16:08.55 | stew | faber4: you are on the dns server and you want to block requests to that server from some ip address? |
| 16:09.03 | faber4 | stew: so if the guy tries to go to "www.youtube.com", our dns server should respond with a wrong address |
| 16:09.04 | Tallu | Hey umm. I've a rather big problem. I'd like to attempt to recover files from my old hard disk, my system recognizes the drive but it gives { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }-errors. Gparted shows the partition table, but the system itself does not seem to recognize it properly |
| 16:09.22 | tingle | hark: yeah i know but that not staying once i close the xterm.. i love the settings on medium font from the ctrl+right click menu but not how to save it in some way |
| 16:09.24 | stew | faber4: so you actually want to give a response, but you want to give the wrong response? |
| 16:10.08 | faber4 | stew: yes that would be good. so i can show these people a "gateway error" or something alike |
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| 16:10.48 | stew | faber4: which dns software are you using? |
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| 16:11.11 | asdzc | hi |
| 16:11.25 | asdzc | i installed postfix but it is printing strange errors |
| 16:11.29 | tingle | hark: do you have a suggestion? |
| 16:11.32 | asdzc | Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
| 16:11.34 | asdzc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.07 | asdzc | this is printing the /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 16:12.08 | stew | faber4: do you want to block everyone from certain sites? or just some portion of the users? like is nobody allowed to go to youtube? or are some people allowed and some people not? |
| 16:12.26 | faber4 | stew: i think i have bind8: ii bind 8.4.7-1, ii bind9-host 9.3.4-2etch1, ii libbind9-0 9.3.4-2etch1 |
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| 16:12.31 | hark | tingle: you can add XTerm*faceName: foofont to your ~/.Xresources |
| 16:12.31 | valdyn | asdzc: ls /etc/init.d/postfix* |
| 16:12.34 | stew | faber4: are you sure you want to do this with dns and not via a web proxy? |
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| 16:12.46 | Szeraax | morning all |
| 16:12.49 | faber4 | stew: i only want to block certain users, for now only one IP |
| 16:12.54 | faber4 | Szeraax: good evening |
| 16:12.58 | Szeraax | haha |
| 16:13.00 | asdzc | valdyn it prints: /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 16:13.11 | stew | faber4: create a separate view for that user in /etc/bind/named.conf |
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| 16:13.22 | valdyn | asdzc: on which debian release? |
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| 16:13.30 | asdzc | valdyn etch |
| 16:13.40 | stew | faber4: google for "bind9 views" |
| 16:13.50 | faber4 | stew: transparent proxy is may be not that easy for me |
| 16:14.03 | faber4 | stew: but i am using bind8 ... |
| 16:14.22 | stew | use bind9 |
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| 16:14.39 | faber4 | i could just manipulate the guys "hosts" on his windows maschine. thats probably the easiest |
| 16:14.58 | asdzc | valdyn but i used configuration files from sarge |
| 16:15.12 | stew | faber4: i believe views are supported in bind8 too, but you really should be using bind9 unless you have a good reason not to |
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| 16:15.24 | valdyn | asdzc: how did you use those? |
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| 16:15.32 | valdyn | asdzc: does that include /etc/init.d ? |
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| 16:15.38 | roler | how do I change/resync the debian-sys-maint mysql password? |
| 16:15.41 | asdzc | valdyn no, only /etc/postfix |
| 16:15.53 | Szeraax | does anyone here have experience with an asterisk server for VoIP? was it not overly complicated to configure and such? (thinking of setting one up for my office using etch) |
| 16:15.59 | asdzc | valdyn i didn't touch /etc/init.d |
| 16:16.06 | valdyn | asdzc: guess this should be in the upgrade or release notes |
| 16:16.28 | asdzc | valdyn i did complete reinstall |
| 16:16.29 | asdzc | not upgrade |
| 16:16.32 | asdzc | or dist-upgrade |
| 16:16.47 | valdyn | asdzc: so you just manually copied the config |
| 16:16.51 | asdzc | yes |
| 16:16.55 | valdyn | asdzc: that doesnt mean there's nothing in the release notes |
| 16:17.00 | asdzc | from my backup to /etc/postfix |
| 16:17.10 | valdyn | asdzc: backup that config, aptitude --purge reinstal postfix, see if it works with debians config then |
| 16:17.13 | stew | roler: you mean how do you set it in mysql? or how do you tell debian what the new password you set is? |
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| 16:18.27 | no3sc | How do I copy and paste a line in nano? |
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| 16:18.45 | asdzc | valdyn it didn't created new config files |
| 16:18.49 | stew | no3sc: ctrl-k to cut, ctrk-u to uncut |
| 16:18.59 | no3sc | stew: jag vill inte klippa ut |
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| 16:19.03 | asdzc | valdyn i removed /etc/postfix and then your cmd |
| 16:19.05 | no3sc | jag vill kopiera |
| 16:19.12 | stew | no3sc: english only in here |
| 16:19.14 | asdzc | it reinstalled postfix but didn't copy new config files |
| 16:19.14 | no3sc | sry |
| 16:19.16 | Darkside | whee |
| 16:19.23 | Darkside | i dont think debian likes my ATI graphics card :P |
| 16:19.26 | no3sc | i thought i jumped to the other channel :P |
| 16:19.29 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 16:19.30 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:19.35 | roler | stew; I just found the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf... I changed the password in the mysql table to password('whatever it was')... that should work right? |
| 16:19.36 | Rhys | can anyone in short explain what the difference between things like icecast/shoutcast and things like ices, muse, and darkice? |
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| 16:19.38 | no3sc | Im starting to get used to irssi :7 |
| 16:19.39 | valdyn | asdzc: use that ^^^ |
| 16:19.46 | Darkside | oooooh fun |
| 16:19.50 | Szeraax | Darkside: i believe a new driver comes out from AMD in nov... |
| 16:19.55 | cchance | What program could i implement to start an irc server |
| 16:20.00 | Darkside | deboan crashes on boot... |
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| 16:20.07 | roler | stew; seems to work |
| 16:20.09 | stew | roler: yes, you just need to make sure the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf is the password debian can use to get access |
| 16:20.11 | valdyn | cchance: implement? |
| 16:20.14 | Darkside | should i install fglrx before i plug in the card? :P |
| 16:20.16 | cchance | install |
| 16:20.50 | no3sc | stew: I was ment to say: I don't want to cut and paste. I want to copy and paste. Know how? |
| 16:20.56 | Szeraax | Darkside: you can use the vesa driver for minimal working display |
| 16:21.01 | Darkside | doesnt work |
| 16:21.04 | asdzc | valdyn is aptitude able to install config files ? |
| 16:21.06 | Darkside | debian crashes on boot |
| 16:21.06 | cchance | ircd? |
| 16:21.13 | Darkside | i get some lovely long error string that i cant copy |
| 16:21.29 | valdyn | asdzc: yes, sure |
| 16:21.38 | valdyn | asdzc: but why dont you just run what dpkg suggested |
| 16:22.00 | asdzc | valdyn it didn't tell anything |
| 16:22.07 | asdzc | just: dpkg: need an action option |
| 16:22.08 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 16:22.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:22.19 | asdzc | i run 'dpkg --force-confmiss' |
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| 16:22.27 | valdyn | asdzc: read |
| 16:22.28 | Darkside | hmm |
| 16:22.29 | Darkside | actually |
| 16:22.34 | Darkside | i wonder |
| 16:22.55 | asdzc | valdyn so how dpkg can tell me what to do ? |
| 16:23.02 | valdyn | asdzc: it just did |
| 16:23.04 | s4xxon | i am trying to backport xchat, but i got some problems actually . i get on that stage: dpkg-source -x package.dsc but after that nothing happens |
| 16:23.04 | Darkside | hmm yeah, its the graphics card |
| 16:23.05 | Darkside | yay |
| 16:23.15 | asdzc | heh |
| 16:23.15 | asdzc | ? |
| 16:23.17 | s4xxon | i do the dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot also (fakeroot is installed) , but i dont see any .deb file to install |
| 16:23.34 | cchance | !irc |
| 16:23.34 | dpkg | i guess irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons |
| 16:23.40 | valdyn | asdzc: i know reading is hard |
| 16:23.43 | cchance | !irc prog |
| 16:23.44 | asdzc | ok, i will use old apt-get then.. |
| 16:23.48 | valdyn | !tell asdzc -about confmiss |
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| 16:24.12 | Eulex | asdzc, you told it to regenerate config files for a package. but what package? |
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| 16:24.34 | asdzc | 'dpkg --force-confmiss postfix' will prints the same |
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| 16:24.47 | valdyn | asdzc: dpkg operates on .deb files |
| 16:24.57 | valdyn | asdzc: apt-get though takes package names |
| 16:25.10 | Eulex | that too. |
| 16:25.13 | valdyn | asdzc: postfix_fooversion_i386.deb vs just "postfix" |
| 16:25.42 | asdzc | 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postfix' does nothing with configs |
| 16:25.57 | asdzc | Setting up postfix (2.3.8-2+b1) ... |
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| 16:26.02 | asdzc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.12 | valdyn | hah |
| 16:26.25 | valdyn | ok, alright, just mkdir /etc/postfix |
| 16:26.48 | stew | no3sc: i don't believe there is a way to copy instead of cut, but "ctrl-k ctrl-u" which is cut then uncut, should have the same effect as copy |
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| 16:27.03 | asdzc | ok, thx. looks like it's working with original configs |
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| 16:27.16 | asdzc | at least, it's not printings that error |
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| 16:27.42 | s4xxon | ok, fixed it. made the debian package. but trying to install the xchat package that i created it still doesnt install it cause of some dependency problems. how would backporting the package help me ? didn't get it |
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| 16:28.11 | Darkside | oh greeeat |
| 16:28.18 | valdyn | s4xxon: well, which specific dependency problem? |
| 16:28.24 | stew | s4xxon: after running dpkg -i xchat....deb and getting a dependency error, run "aptitude -f install" to fix the dependencies |
| 16:28.28 | Darkside | it seems the other wireless card i have will bejust as fun to get working in linux |
| 16:28.32 | cchance | What good IRC server is there for debian |
| 16:28.40 | Darkside | a Belkin F5D7000 rev.3 |
| 16:28.40 | troubled | anyone know if theres a PoCoI in testing/unstable? |
| 16:28.48 | no3sc | stew: thank you |
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| 16:28.55 | valdyn | Darkside: the rt73 works now? |
| 16:28.57 | s4xxon | libc6 libgtk2.0-0 and more |
| 16:28.57 | stew | cchance: "apt-cache showpkg ircd" will list them |
| 16:29.14 | spq | <how can i list all defined quota for users and groups? |
| 16:29.19 | stew | cchance: (in "reverse provides" |
| 16:29.23 | valdyn | s4xxon: that doesnt sound like you are using a backport |
| 16:29.32 | rmaj | grave bugs of libpoppler1 (-> 0.5.4-6) <done> |
| 16:29.34 | rmaj | #435460 - CVE-2007-3387: Integer overflow in poppler (Fixed: poppler/0.5.4-6.1) |
| 16:29.36 | s4xxon | well i just did a backport package |
| 16:29.38 | rmaj | so is it fixed or not then? |
| 16:29.46 | s4xxon | step by step as its written here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 16:29.55 | marinosi | hello..I want to install the nvidia driver but i have to unload the nvidiafd module first(framebuffer) but it fails, even from console..How can I unload nvidiafb?I can't find which script loads nvidiafb |
| 16:29.58 | stew | rmaj: it is fixed in version 0.5.4-6.1 |
| 16:30.11 | stew | s4xxon: how did you try to install the backported package? |
| 16:30.22 | wols | !tell marinosi about blacklist |
| 16:30.37 | rmaj | stew: so I have to wait untill that version will arive to testing? |
| 16:30.38 | s4xxon | apt-get source xchat (of course first adding the testing repo) dpkg-source -x xchat(ver).dsc and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 16:31.14 | stew | rmaj: you can. do you think that you are at risk for that vulnerability? |
| 16:31.17 | Darkside | oh you are SHITTING ME... this PCI card has the SAME BLOODY CHIPSET as the usb one i was trying to get working earlier |
| 16:31.20 | Darkside | :< |
| 16:31.25 | stew | rmaj: do you have untrusted users on your system? |
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| 16:31.33 | s4xxon | and found the deb file in my /var/cache/apt/archives. unless i did something wrong by creating the package |
| 16:31.46 | valdyn | s4xxon: the deb file shoudnt be there |
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| 16:32.10 | valdyn | s4xxon: the created deb file is just where your source tree is |
| 16:32.11 | s4xxon | then i did something wrong and took the normal package of the testing distro |
| 16:32.12 | stew | s4xxon: dpkg-buildpackage created the .deb in the parent directory of where you ran dpkg-buildpackage, install that package with "dpkg -i xchat_$version.deb" |
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| 16:32.17 | valdyn | s4xxon: exactly |
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| 16:32.26 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 16:32.26 | wols | DawnLight: big difference between usb and pci. what chipset exactly? |
| 16:32.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:32.33 | DawnLight | woohoo! i've found a freenode server that it good for me! |
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| 16:33.25 | s4xxon | let me try again |
| 16:33.35 | Ace2016 | Why is the grass always greener on the on the other side of the field |
| 16:33.36 | Darkside | wols: nice nick completion :) |
| 16:33.43 | Darkside | and im looking more into it... |
| 16:33.44 | DawnLight | wha |
| 16:33.47 | Darkside | it may not be the same... |
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| 16:33.55 | wols | Darkside: again, what chip? |
| 16:34.00 | Darkside | ive foind some info on the ubuntu wiki that may help me |
| 16:34.04 | Darkside | im trying to wokr that out |
| 16:34.11 | Darkside | i just read somewhere that it used the rt73 drivers |
| 16:34.15 | wols | lspci and you know. so what chip? |
| 16:34.19 | Darkside | same as my other card |
| 16:34.22 | Darkside | and i dont know |
| 16:34.23 | wols | ah, ralkink |
| 16:34.26 | Darkside | everythign is covered up on teh card |
| 16:34.28 | wols | -k |
| 16:34.31 | Ace2016 | i spent 4 hours getting xgl and compiz to sort of work, but it wasn't good enough, i installed kubuntu and its even worse so now i'm reinstalling debian sid and in sort i've wasted a whole week :| |
| 16:34.32 | Darkside | i cant get to anything |
| 16:34.41 | wols | Darkside: that doesn't matter. I told you: lspci |
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| 16:35.13 | philipp_ | hi |
| 16:35.18 | Darkside | :D |
| 16:35.26 | Darkside | wols: RT2500 |
| 16:35.30 | s4xxon | ok downloaded the source from testing. now: dpkg-source -x xchat_2.8.2-1.dsc |
| 16:35.43 | DawnLight | i've followed http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 before to make iptables survive reboots but it doesn't seem like a real debian way of doing this. it doesn't seem hacky but i'd think that in etch there is a specific way to do this. wha? |
| 16:35.45 | philipp_ | i read sometime about a program from intel for controlling the usage of the cpus (like top) - does anyone of you remember what it's name was? |
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| 16:35.46 | Ace2016 | any way to updgrade to debian from gusty gibson? |
| 16:35.50 | Ace2016 | sid |
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| 16:35.50 | Darkside | LOL its coming up as a cardbus/mini-PCI :D |
| 16:35.52 | Darkside | lolll |
| 16:35.54 | wols | Ace2016: no |
| 16:36.05 | cahoot | philipp_, powertop? |
| 16:36.32 | s4xxon | i entered the dir and typed: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 16:36.35 | stew | Ace2016: its not something that either us nor ubuntu would be willing to support after you were done |
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| 16:36.48 | philipp_ | cahoot: exactly that was it! thanks |
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| 16:37.05 | s4xxon | what i get is that: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>> 4) bison libssl-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.0.6-1) libperl-dev gettext (>= 0.10.37-1) libtool zlib1g-dev python2.4-dev tcl8.4-dev autotools-dev dpatch libdbus-glib-1-dev libgtkspell-dev libsexy-dev , dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting., dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.), |
| 16:37.13 | gegaenator | Hi there |
| 16:37.17 | gegaenator | Iv got probem |
| 16:37.18 | philipp_ | one last question: does anyone of you have the link to a document (howto) for powersaving on a laptop? |
| 16:37.24 | stew | s4xxon: apt-get build-dep xchat |
| 16:37.31 | gegaenator | with Windows XP gateway |
| 16:37.54 | s4xxon | ehmm, now it wants to install a lot of packages.... is that good ? |
| 16:37.55 | stew | philipp_: run a recent version of powertop as root, it should give you lots of pointers |
| 16:37.59 | Ace2016 | kind of a super debian sid/ubuntu hybrid distro, that'd be the best. i so have to make that, ubuntu looks and modifications to suff like the ctrl+alt+delete in kde and the debian sid update system which just keeps updating forever and ever without reinstalling or releasing just updating forever |
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| 16:38.01 | stew | s4xxon: yes |
| 16:38.02 | gegaenator | it does not pass my atp's downloads |
| 16:38.15 | s4xxon | why werent they installed with the old xchat version ? |
| 16:38.17 | stew | s4xxon: well wait |
| 16:38.27 | stew | s4xxon: what vesrsion of debian are you running? |
| 16:38.33 | Ace2016 | brb (however long it takes to install sid from the internet |
| 16:38.34 | s4xxon | stable 4.0 |
| 16:38.48 | stew | s4xxon: they weren't installed with xchat becuase they aren't needed for running xchat, they are only needed for building xchat |
| 16:38.51 | DawnLight | Ace2016: don't use sid |
| 16:39.09 | stew | s4xxon: are your deb lines in sources.list pointing to stable or testing/unstable right now? |
| 16:39.28 | s4xxon | deb files on stable |
| 16:39.34 | s4xxon | source on testing |
| 16:39.45 | Darkside | wols: and theres debian packages for it! :D |
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| 16:39.52 | stew | s4xxon: then yes, you want it to install the stuff it wants to install when you run "apt-get build-dep xchat" |
| 16:40.17 | s4xxon | ok did that |
| 16:40.17 | s4xxon | its being installed |
| 16:40.22 | wols | Darkside: I know. you'd have gotten the answer a LOT sooner if you did what I told you |
| 16:40.32 | Darkside | :P |
| 16:40.36 | Darkside | i must have missed the pm |
| 16:40.44 | s4xxon | now to understand what i am making :) why is that safer than installing it normal from the testing debfiles ? :) |
| 16:40.48 | umbar | darkside: are you a darth vader fan? |
| 16:40.50 | wols | there were no PMs |
| 16:40.52 | Darkside | arrrrrrrrgh im still getting these annoying errors with apt-get |
| 16:40.56 | Darkside | umbar: not really |
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| 16:41.07 | Darkside | let me get a pastebin.... |
| 16:41.20 | wols | Darkside: you need m-a for ralink. and afaik firmware too |
| 16:41.21 | umbar | why do you call yourself darkside then |
| 16:41.30 | Darkside | full nick is usaully Darkside Lemming |
| 16:41.34 | Darkside | doesnt work here :P |
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| 16:41.55 | stew | s4xxon: becuase when you build xchat now, its going to be compiled against the libs in stable and therefore be able to run against the libs in stable, instead of requiring you to pull in lots of libs from testing (which might require upgrading much of your system to testing as some new libs might require other apps to be upgraded, causing a chain reaction) |
| 16:42.21 | umbar | yes, but when you call yourself darkside you should be a servant of the dark side of the force |
| 16:42.27 | umbar | like darth vader |
| 16:42.36 | umbar | do you agree? |
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| 16:42.50 | wols | umbar: do you have a debian question? |
| 16:43.03 | wols | umbar: he could also be a pink floyd fan or whatever |
| 16:43.05 | [M4rk0] | Can someone explain me just this "mount -t smbfs //192.168.0.1/Temp /mnt/tmp" is this mount how can i say other than DYNAMIC if i change something in main share will it change in mounted dir? |
| 16:43.12 | s4xxon | good explained. now when i simply download allready backported backages from the stable backports. they are allready backported for stable or how could it be that i dont got dependency problems there |
| 16:43.22 | wols | [M4rk0]: yes |
| 16:43.26 | umbar | did I talk with you, wols? |
| 16:43.39 | wols | umbar: you are off topic. please respect #debian rules |
| 16:43.39 | [M4rk0] | wols, thanx :) |
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| 16:44.18 | stew | s4xxon: what you are downloading from backports is a package which was created the same way you are creating this one (essentially) |
| 16:44.26 | Dewi | is it possible to use the wpa_cli utility in etch? |
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| 16:44.29 | s4xxon | allright :) |
| 16:44.44 | Dewi | it keeps complaining it can't connect to wpa_supplicant, but it seems like this daemon doesn't even exist anymore in etch |
| 16:44.55 | wols | !wpa |
| 16:44.55 | dpkg | methinks wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 16:44.57 | s4xxon | ok i just did dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot , now somethigns happening here. hold on :) |
| 16:45.32 | marinosi | wols: blacklist doesn't work..I 've done : echo -e "blacklist nvidiafb\nblacklist vgastate" > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and nothing..nvidiafb was loaded again in boot..Which script loads this module?! |
| 16:45.46 | Dewi | wols: yes, I read that. But I want to look around a bit before I try to configure the interface4 |
| 16:45.51 | mike1o | valdyn, will grub recognize my new 32bit system even if it's on another hard drive? |
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| 16:46.11 | wols | marinosi: read the factoid more carefully and check your initrd too |
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| 16:46.16 | Darkside | http://pastebin.ca/742545 <---- help me! |
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| 16:46.26 | Darkside | somehow i think openoffice doesnt like me |
| 16:46.36 | Darkside | but its probably just me forgetting to do soemthing |
| 16:46.43 | marinosi | wols: what do you mean?Isn't there a way to prevent this module from loading at boot? |
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| 16:46.48 | h3sp4wn | Is there a backport of xorg 7.3 anywhere for etch |
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| 16:47.05 | stmaher | Hello everyone.. |
| 16:47.09 | stmaher | I have a strange probl;em.. |
| 16:47.20 | waltz | what is it? |
| 16:47.21 | stmaher | Where does debian map eth0 -> eth1 to what network card.. |
| 16:47.26 | s4xxon | defenetelly something went wrong . dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot gave me at the end this output mv src/fe-gtk/xchat xchat . mv: cannot stat `src/fe-gtk/xchat': No such file or directory . make: *** [build-stamp] Error 1 |
| 16:47.31 | umbar | darkside: but when you call yourself darkside you should be a servant of the dark side of the force |
| 16:47.32 | s4xxon | and i dont see any deb file |
| 16:47.36 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 16:47.36 | dpkg | i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 16:47.38 | umbar | like darth vader |
| 16:47.38 | s4xxon | except the deb file is stored somewhere else |
| 16:47.42 | cahoot | stmaher, /msg dpkg z25 |
| 16:47.42 | valdyn | stmaher: read what dpkg said |
| 16:47.53 | wols | marinosi: there is. the factoid told you how |
| 16:47.54 | umbar | do you agree, darkside? |
| 16:48.00 | Darkside | ... |
| 16:48.13 | wols | Darkside: put him on /ignore |
| 16:48.21 | umbar | is this supposed to be an answer? |
| 16:48.24 | wols | Darkside: apt-get -f install not work? |
| 16:48.30 | Darkside | naww, its not that far |
| 16:48.33 | Darkside | wols: wut? |
| 16:48.36 | stew | umbar: please keep it on-topic |
| 16:48.42 | Darkside | explain the -f |
| 16:48.47 | wols | man apt-get |
| 16:48.51 | stew | Darkside: "fix" |
| 16:48.53 | umbar | irish stew, silence |
| 16:48.55 | Darkside | :P |
| 16:49.00 | Darkside | ok |
| 16:49.02 | Darkside | thats a negative |
| 16:49.09 | umbar | darkside: do you like starwars? |
| 16:49.09 | Darkside | -f doesnt fix things for me |
| 16:49.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 16:49.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@77-56-64-121.dclient.hispeed.ch] by stew |
| 16:49.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 16:49.26 | stew | umbar: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 16:49.27 | wols | thank you |
| 16:49.28 | stmaher | cahoot, nice one thanks |
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| 16:49.56 | Darkside | so yeah, its not fixing things... |
| 16:50.01 | Darkside | =/ |
| 16:50.27 | s4xxon | dont get it... |
| 16:50.30 | [M4rk0] | can you tell me this... how can I send e-mail if my disk quota is over 80% used... |
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| 16:52.05 | wols | [M4rk0]: IIRC there is a quota soft limit that sends a mail and there is a quota hard limit which disallows further allocation |
| 16:52.08 | s4xxon | did i do something wrong ? |
| 16:52.22 | [M4rk0] | ok thanx |
| 16:52.39 | wols | s4xxon: yes you did. like not giving us the full output |
| 16:53.00 | wols | s4xxon: there has been a compiler or linker error before most likely |
| 16:53.01 | stew | s4xxon: did you ever perhaps run dpkg-buildpackage as root? |
| 16:53.05 | s4xxon | as i said i did: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 16:53.18 | stew | s4xxon: run it again and give us the full output ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:53.21 | nethenson | hello |
| 16:53.33 | DawnLight | !greet nethenson |
| 16:53.34 | dpkg | Howdy, nethenson |
| 16:53.41 | Darkside | lol |
| 16:53.46 | Darkside | hrm |
| 16:53.52 | Darkside | ok... rt2500 is installed |
| 16:53.58 | Darkside | done all the m-a stuff..... |
| 16:54.00 | s4xxon | and the output was : mv src/fe-gtk/xchat xchatmv: cannot stat `src/fe-gtk/xchat': No such file or directorymake: *** [build-stamp] Error 1 |
| 16:54.02 | Darkside | i think its gone |
| 16:54.04 | Darkside | done* |
| 16:54.12 | DawnLight | test it test it! |
| 16:54.15 | s4xxon | stew: i did that as root |
| 16:54.16 | Darkside | but... hmm dony see it |
| 16:54.18 | wols | s4xxon: there is about a gazillion things more in the output |
| 16:54.20 | Darkside | dont see it* |
| 16:54.26 | Darkside | iwconfig isnt showing the card |
| 16:54.27 | wols | Darkside: dmesg. |
| 16:54.30 | DawnLight | i think you need to modprobe the module |
| 16:54.31 | stew | s4xxon: you shouldn't do it as root, and there should have been much much more ouput, hundreds of lines |
| 16:54.35 | s4xxon | wols sure. i cant show you everything here |
| 16:54.40 | stew | s4xxon: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:54.42 | wols | !tell s4xxon about paste |
| 16:54.58 | s4xxon | stew: there are houndreads of lines. and in the website it didnt mention about root or not... |
| 16:54.58 | Darkside | DawnLight: i also had to do a install a package |
| 16:54.59 | rmaj | damn! |
| 16:54.59 | DawnLight | Darkside: you know about modules? |
| 16:55.04 | rmaj | after upgrade, krusader stoped working |
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| 16:55.07 | SoulChild | i have no eth1 device but there is eth2 and eth3 ? how do i fix ??? |
| 16:55.08 | Darkside | so i should modprobe rt2500 right... |
| 16:55.26 | wols | !tell SoulChild about z25 |
| 16:55.31 | Darkside | HELLOOOOOO |
| 16:55.31 | Darkside | :D |
| 16:55.36 | Darkside | :D:PD:D:D:D |
| 16:55.39 | stew | Darkside: stop that |
| 16:55.41 | s4xxon | those are the last lines: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=4288 |
| 16:55.42 | Darkside | now to test if it works |
| 16:55.45 | Darkside | sry |
| 16:55.50 | DawnLight | Darkside: i don't know that one, but modprobe -l | grep rt will probably show you what you have |
| 16:55.51 | stew | s4xxon: make sure your user owns all of the files, then try building it again. and put the output into a pastebin |
| 16:55.58 | nethenson | mmm... anyone has used ntop?. i am trying to use it (etch version, default options) but when i try to access the web interface i get a "**WARNING** gzflush error -2(stream error)" and a blank page :S ... |
| 16:56.04 | rmaj | damn!!! |
| 16:56.13 | rmaj | all my KDE applications stoped working after upgrade! |
| 16:56.15 | rmaj | good work, testing |
| 16:56.21 | hark | Darkside: don't you have a Ralink RT73 instead? |
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| 16:56.41 | DawnLight | nethenson: did you check /usr/share/doc/ntop? |
| 16:56.42 | rmaj | help |
| 16:56.48 | stew | rmaj: what command did you run, and what error did you get? |
| 16:56.57 | rmaj | stew: any KDE application |
| 16:57.03 | stew | rmaj: what command did you run, and what error did you get? |
| 16:57.27 | wols | rmaj: tip, run the app from a xterm |
| 16:57.45 | valdyn | !info xchat sid |
| 16:57.49 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
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| 16:58.03 | rmaj | stew: ANY kde application, like kopete, kmail, krusader, and I get errors: http://cpp.tastethepaste.org/789 |
| 16:58.16 | s4xxon | ok, i did extract again the files with dpkg-source -x xchat(version of it) |
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| 16:58.32 | asdzc | thnx |
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| 16:58.35 | s4xxon | now as user dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 16:59.04 | s4xxon | /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 193: fakeroo: command not found |
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| 16:59.19 | s4xxon | now i dont get it , with root i get the 'make' output , as user i dont get anything out |
| 16:59.24 | s4xxon | i get this error |
| 16:59.32 | s4xxon | oh |
| 16:59.34 | umbar | darkside is a darth vader fan |
| 16:59.37 | s4xxon | sorry. i missed the "t" |
| 16:59.38 | hark | rmaj: run kbuildsycoca and try again |
| 16:59.40 | valdyn | sid xchat doesnt build on etch |
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| 16:59.48 | valdyn | at least that's what im finding |
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| 16:59.58 | Darkside | hmm |
| 17:00.17 | rmaj | hark: thank, it works |
| 17:00.21 | rmaj | so, this is a grave bug? |
| 17:00.22 | nethenson | DawnLight. yes,and found no solution... it is strange because ntop isn't working with the default configuration (just as apt-get left it , plus the setting of the admin password :S) |
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| 17:00.35 | rmaj | missing kbuildsycoca in post install of kde? |
| 17:00.42 | hark | rmaj: no, you have to logout/login once after upgrading |
| 17:00.49 | rmaj | hark: noone said that |
| 17:01.02 | rmaj | so missing a message about above then |
| 17:01.10 | DawnLight | sorry nethenson, don't know that package |
| 17:01.15 | s4xxon | do i need to run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot , as root or as user ? as simple user i get access errors |
| 17:01.18 | Darkside | well... |
| 17:01.23 | Darkside | it seems to be working |
| 17:01.24 | hark | rmaj: basically restart kde |
| 17:01.27 | s4xxon | sorry for being annoying... |
| 17:01.31 | Darkside | but i need to us ea connection manager to be able to use WPA |
| 17:01.38 | Dewi | how do I get any kind of feedback from the new wpa supplicant? do I have the wrong password? am I out of range? |
| 17:01.48 | Dewi | have I messed up something else? |
| 17:01.51 | Darkside | oh wpa supplicant? |
| 17:01.52 | stew | s4xxon: you need to make sure your user owns all of the files, and run it as your user |
| 17:02.03 | Darkside | do tell me more about this wpa supplicant... |
| 17:02.07 | s4xxon | i did chown the whoe xchat dir |
| 17:02.11 | DawnLight | whats will be the line to remove "iptables -A POSTROUTING -o ath0 -j MASQUERADE"? |
| 17:02.16 | s4xxon | ohh, subdirs didnt change owner... |
| 17:02.21 | DawnLight | s/whats/what |
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| 17:02.31 | nethenson | DawnLight, it is like top but for the network , allows you to see the computers that are more active in the net and so on... I'll try to recompile the package without zlib, maybe i'll be able to solve the problem :S:S ) |
| 17:02.35 | stew | DawnLight: replace -A with -D |
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| 17:02.50 | DawnLight | thanks stew |
| 17:03.19 | stew | s4xxon: why are you building xchat? just to get a newer version? or are you patching it or something |
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| 17:03.39 | s4xxon | i try to install the new version of xchat |
| 17:03.40 | madclicker | hi, virtual OS under etch, what is the best solution? |
| 17:04.05 | s4xxon | ok changed the owner . lets see now... |
| 17:04.32 | s4xxon | and once i was suggested not to download it from testing , i try to backport it |
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| 17:05.04 | Darkside | hmm... so why doesnt debian show my card as being able to use WPA normally.. |
| 17:05.04 | DawnLight | madclicker: i don't know about the topic, but you'd have to say which OS and what you'll be doing with it |
| 17:05.05 | wols | madclicker: /msg dpkg best |
| 17:05.06 | stew | s4xxon: in the future, instead of going through all this with dpkg-source -x and dpkg-buildpackage, you could just "apt-get -b source xchat" |
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| 17:05.11 | Darkside | like, with the normal network connection dialogs |
| 17:05.16 | s4xxon | ok, i did change the owner of the directory. and did dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and i get those errors now: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=4289 |
| 17:06.16 | s4xxon | if i knew it would take me so long to figure out i wouldnt get involve with that... just saw a few lines listed in the debian site and thought it would be easy to backport a package |
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| 17:07.00 | stew | s4xxon: libstdc++5? odd, try installing libstdc++5 |
| 17:07.41 | s4xxon | i dont think its a good idea, it wants me to install also gcc-3.3 |
| 17:08.03 | s4xxon | i got allready 4.1 on my system |
| 17:08.08 | stew | so? |
| 17:08.26 | stew | s4xxon: what is wrong with that? |
| 17:08.38 | s4xxon | why would i need an older gcc ? |
| 17:08.57 | stew | s4xxon: i don't know, check the source to see why it wants libstdc++5 |
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| 17:09.13 | wols | s4xxon: you can have more than one gcc at the same time |
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| 17:10.11 | s4xxon | i really appreciate your help, but i guess i will just leave it... |
| 17:10.32 | s4xxon | i guess i will mess up my system more and all that just because of some new software that i need updated |
| 17:10.36 | wols | s4xxon: maybe valdyn was right |
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| 17:10.46 | s4xxon | compiling it ? |
| 17:10.46 | valdyn | s4xxon: the build depends are not accurate |
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| 17:11.00 | stew | s4xxon: if htis was an error with bin/source-hilight, then its probably with documentation generation, which maybe you could skip |
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| 17:11.28 | linkslice | on debian etch, when i type reboot it hangs on 'restarting' any thoughts? |
| 17:11.36 | stew | if its really needing libstdc++5 i'd wonder if its really building everything from source |
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| 17:11.39 | Darkside | ACPI |
| 17:12.02 | s4xxon | believe me i am not typing a word more of what i am told in here |
| 17:12.26 | valdyn | stew: xchat is getting confused by various things, wrong automake, changes in gtk packaging |
| 17:12.55 | s4xxon | anyway. i guess i will quit with that |
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| 17:13.23 | stmaher | Ok the problem im having is.. I have an old machine that cannot boot from cd.... so for handyness i installed the scsi disk in another machine and installed debian.. |
| 17:13.28 | s4xxon | now how do i remove all those packages that needed to install before ? they were like 50 packages that were needed for the buildpackage |
| 17:13.38 | stmaher | the problem im havin is i cant pint anything.. |
| 17:13.44 | stmaher | the network card is supported.. and shows in lsmod.. |
| 17:13.51 | stmaher | its an e100 |
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| 17:15.45 | stew | s4xxon: apt-get remove package1 package2 package3... |
| 17:15.47 | Dewi | anyone know how to monitor signal strength with WPA ? |
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| 17:15.55 | s4xxon | wish i could remember which one those were :) |
| 17:16.03 | s4xxon | i scrolled up but i cant find them anymore |
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| 17:16.07 | stew | s4xxon: /var/lib/dpkg.log should tell you |
| 17:16.14 | s4xxon | okie |
| 17:16.15 | PotataChipz | hello all. Is there anything that should be preventing me from booting debian with SATA in "Compatibility" mode rather than AHCI? |
| 17:16.37 | s4xxon | there isnt such a log... |
| 17:16.43 | hark | s4xxon: he meant /var/log/ |
| 17:16.48 | alekibango | hello, how can i get network card name vendor/model? cat /sys/class/net/eth2/device/subsystem_vendor gives 0x1043.. how can i convert this to readable name? |
| 17:17.00 | s4xxon | okie |
| 17:17.02 | Dewi | PotataChipz: why don't you want to boot in AHCI mode? |
| 17:17.15 | wols | alekibango: update-pciids |
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| 17:17.22 | cahoot | alekibango, tried lspci? |
| 17:17.26 | wols | alekibango: next time use lspci -n |
| 17:17.31 | wols | or only lspci |
| 17:17.32 | alaya | linkslice: using apm or acpi? |
| 17:17.33 | PotataChipz | Dewi: because my 32-bit windows on the other partition will not boot in AHCI on this 64-bit machine |
| 17:17.41 | wols | alekibango: btw, it's nvidia |
| 17:17.46 | valdyn | ah, xchat 2.8.2 needs gtk >= 2.10 |
| 17:17.47 | alekibango | wols: ty i would, but not all cards are on lspci |
| 17:17.54 | valdyn | etch's is 2.8.20 |
| 17:17.55 | dogmeat | !seen bob2 |
| 17:17.55 | dpkg | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 422d 16h 50m 1s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
| 17:17.59 | wols | PotataChipz: XP can do ACHI |
| 17:18.00 | alekibango | i want to make kmdr script for all network cards |
| 17:18.07 | s4xxon | hehe valdyn i am so glad you are still searching at it :) |
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| 17:18.09 | wols | alekibango: they are. if you use update-pciids |
| 17:18.17 | dogmeat | hmm doesn't sound like bob2 |
| 17:18.20 | s4xxon | so i need also gtk... |
| 17:18.20 | alekibango | i will look wols, ty |
| 17:18.23 | wols | alekibango: "kmdr"? |
| 17:18.35 | stew | dogmeat: it wasn't, it was someone that was trying to social engineer ops |
| 17:18.39 | PotataChipz | wols: I'll look into trying to fix windows instead, thanks |
| 17:18.47 | alekibango | wols kommander |
| 17:18.55 | alekibango | some gui for network stuff |
| 17:18.59 | dogmeat | stew, good take |
| 17:19.07 | wols | PotataChipz: note how intel/MS don't really agree it can do AHCI, but it can |
| 17:19.29 | wols | at least after SP2 |
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| 17:19.44 | valdyn | s4xxon: i would stick to current xchat, gtk shouldnt break things, but it might anywaz |
| 17:19.46 | PotataChipz | wols: cool, thanks again |
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| 17:19.54 | s4xxon | thats what i will do |
| 17:19.56 | \amethyst | PotataChipz: one important thing to note is that, when you change from one to the other, the names of your disk devices will change. If you mount all your partitions using LABEL= or UUID= (or /dev/disk/by-id/*), it shouldn't be a problem to switch back and forth |
| 17:20.03 | s4xxon | i am trying to figure out now the packages that were installed to remove them |
| 17:20.17 | valdyn | s4xxon: apt-get remove libglib2.0-dev |
| 17:20.27 | wols | s4xxon: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 17:20.28 | Darkside | does grub sometimes take a while to load after you've hibernated debian? |
| 17:20.34 | s4xxon | wols: thats what i am reading. |
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| 17:21.15 | Darkside | hmm... this is loading sloooooooooooowly |
| 17:21.16 | zicho | How can i heighten the sensitivity of a microphone? |
| 17:21.16 | alaya | Darkside: resume from hibernation can take a while to read back all the cached data from disk |
| 17:21.27 | Darkside | ahh ok |
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| 17:21.45 | Darkside | still, it works okay :) |
| 17:21.53 | alaya | Darkside: it usually ends up being almost the same time for a normal boot for me, perhaps a slight bit less |
| 17:21.58 | \amethyst | zicho: turn it up with a mixer like aumix? Or do you mean physically? |
| 17:22.00 | Darkside | hehe |
| 17:22.04 | alekibango | wols: heh... lspci is fine, but how to connect the dot from device name (ethx, wlanx) to lspci ? or should i only use the database in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 17:22.16 | Darkside | aaanyway... tomorrow's job: get this ATI gfx card working |
| 17:22.28 | Darkside | currently debian crashes on boot with it in the machine |
| 17:22.29 | Darkside | :) |
| 17:22.37 | alaya | Darkside: but the big benefit being that it saves all my stuff the way i want it |
| 17:22.44 | stew | Darkside: which chipset? |
| 17:22.47 | zicho | \amethyst: i tried with alsamixer, but it can only heighten the volume of the sound and not the sensitivity |
| 17:23.02 | Darkside | stew: you know, i wish i know... |
| 17:23.05 | Darkside | knew* |
| 17:23.10 | Darkside | i think its a radeon 7200 |
| 17:23.22 | Darkside | HANG ON |
| 17:23.27 | stew | Darkside: if that is the case, you shouldn't be using the fglrx stuff at all |
| 17:23.28 | Darkside | hang on hang on...... |
| 17:23.30 | Darkside | what in the hell |
| 17:23.34 | Darkside | this isnt an ATI |
| 17:23.40 | stew | Darkside: please dont' hit enter so often |
| 17:23.42 | Darkside | its a fracking nvidia |
| 17:24.23 | Darkside | i cant work out what model it is tho |
| 17:24.45 | \amethyst | Darkside: lspci doesn't say? |
| 17:24.46 | hark | alekibango: readlink /sys/class/net/eth2/device/driver/module will get you the modulename |
| 17:25.01 | Darkside | \amethyst: my system crashes on boot with it in |
| 17:25.12 | Darkside | and lspci without it in doesnt return anything useful :) |
| 17:25.12 | \amethyst | Darkside: even before X starts? |
| 17:25.18 | gridl0ck | stew, what's wrong with fglrx drivers? |
| 17:25.26 | Darkside | \amethyst: yup |
| 17:25.31 | \amethyst | Darkside: what if you add nofb to the kernel parameters? |
| 17:25.35 | stew | gridl0ck: they are non-free |
| 17:25.43 | Darkside | ... havent tried that :P |
| 17:25.50 | s4xxon | i really appriciate your help, thank you a lot |
| 17:25.53 | gridl0ck | even the one's that come from ati? |
| 17:25.54 | alekibango | hark: i only need to display vendor+model info about some ethx, wlanx card... i will prolly awk the /usr/share/misc/pci.ids file |
| 17:25.56 | Darkside | i havent done much fiddling with ketnel paramaters |
| 17:26.08 | Darkside | \amethyst: so i'd do that in grub, right? |
| 17:26.27 | alekibango | hark: cannot find that info anywhere (should be in ifconfig, grr) |
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| 17:26.31 | \amethyst | Darkside: yes. I don't use grub, but I think it's 'e' to edit the command line |
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| 17:26.47 | Darkside | also: the motherboard has an onboard video card, which is what i've been using |
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| 17:26.55 | Darkside | i'll disable that first.. |
| 17:26.59 | lambda | Hi everybody |
| 17:27.17 | stew | gridl0ck: only the ones that come from ati. and for older cards, debian provides free drivers that provide just as good if not better support than the non-free ones from ati |
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| 17:27.34 | lambda | I have a Creative labs wireless mouse |
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| 17:27.48 | lambda | which doesn't work under debian |
| 17:27.49 | pizza_ | how do i list the version of an installed package? |
| 17:28.06 | lambda | What line should I append to my xorg.conf |
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| 17:28.35 | Darkside | \amethyst: so i add the nofb to the end of the ketnel line? |
| 17:28.48 | Darkside | kernel* |
| 17:28.59 | stew | pizza_: dpkg -l packagename |
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| 17:29.05 | Viniciu1 | <pizza_> You can use dpkg -l <packagename> |
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| 17:29.34 | pizza_ | stew: thanks |
| 17:29.37 | Darkside | crap |
| 17:29.39 | Darkside | still crashes |
| 17:29.42 | \amethyst | Darkside: You should really ask some one who knows grub better than me, but if "kernel line" is what I think it is, then yes |
| 17:29.45 | g3brown | What kernel is 4.0r1 ? |
| 17:29.45 | lambda | http://debian.pastebin.org/5335 |
| 17:29.48 | Darkside | interesting... |
| 17:29.53 | Darkside | i have no idea what this means |
| 17:29.57 | Darkside | i have a wonderfully long code here |
| 17:29.58 | lambda | any help will be very thanksfukll |
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| 17:30.06 | Darkside | would tjat be of use to anyone? |
| 17:30.10 | lambda | thanksfull |
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| 17:31.00 | Darkside | hmmm |
| 17:31.06 | Darkside | maybe its a kernel panic |
| 17:31.10 | Darkside | i really have no idea... |
| 17:31.18 | stew | Darkside: you should probably just blacklist the fb module and rebuild the initrd |
| 17:31.33 | stew | Darkside: or just try to rebuild the initrd is probably enough |
| 17:31.53 | Darkside | im seeing like a list of codes like [<c0103c42>] ret_from_fork+0x6/0x1c |
| 17:31.57 | g3brown | 2.6.18 found it |
| 17:31.58 | Darkside | is that a kernel panic? |
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| 17:32.32 | Darkside | pink list of things like that... at the end is a long hex code with something about udedv[1445] exited with preemt_count 1 |
| 17:32.53 | Darkside | where the hell di di get 'pink' from... |
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| 17:33.08 | leroutier | Hello |
| 17:33.16 | Darkside | now... rebuilding initrd... remember, this only happens when the card is in teh machine |
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| 17:33.28 | Darkside | as soon as i take it out, it works fine |
| 17:33.42 | tt_ | I'm looking for a cd/dvd burning program, very basic, lightweigt and with few dependencies. Any suggestions? |
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| 17:33.52 | \amethyst | Darkside: does this card work in other OSs/other computers? |
| 17:33.56 | stew | tt_: wodim |
| 17:34.05 | maxamillion | mmmm wodim |
| 17:34.12 | Darkside | \amethyst: ... crap. I have no idea |
| 17:34.13 | tt_ | stew: Text-based? |
| 17:34.15 | Darkside | >_< |
| 17:34.19 | stew | tt_: in fact all other cd burning programs depend on wodim, so it is as basic as you are going to get |
| 17:34.22 | stew | tt_: yes |
| 17:34.31 | maxamillion | what a wonderfully whimsacle wizard of whiley w... i'm out of w words :/ |
| 17:34.45 | stew | well, there is cdrdao as well, but probably not what you want |
| 17:34.45 | tt_ | stew: Roger, I'll give it a try. |
| 17:34.49 | leroutier | I'd like to volunteer for package maintanance (swfdec0.5 & swfdec-mozilla). Who should I poke ? |
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| 17:34.53 | stew | tt_: "wodim /path/to/iso" |
| 17:35.18 | Darkside | hmm |
| 17:35.21 | alekibango | tt_ afaik there is some deb package named burn but i never used it |
| 17:35.22 | Darkside | well THATS interesting |
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| 17:35.46 | alekibango | Darkside: windows extra pain interesting? burn in hell |
| 17:35.50 | Darkside | i disabled the internal VGA card (on motherboard) and windows still is putting out video through it |
| 17:35.56 | stew | alekibango: yes, but it depends on wodim |
| 17:35.59 | madclicker | DawnLight, I would be interested to run a MS 2003 R2 OS as a guest OS on my Etch system |
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| 17:36.10 | Darkside | like, during booting, vifeo came out of the nvidia card, but now its coming out of the internal one |
| 17:36.14 | ki11bi11 | is AMD DOA? |
| 17:36.35 | Darkside | i disabled the internal card in the bios... |
| 17:36.49 | ki11bi11 | Has anyone seen amd's new quad core yet? |
| 17:36.53 | Darkside | maybe i have to do something on the motherboard |
| 17:37.10 | stew | ki11bi11: i think you want #hardware |
| 17:37.56 | ki11bi11 | stew, i'll go there but do you think debian will support AMD quad cores? |
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| 17:38.06 | stew | ki11bi11: yes |
| 17:38.35 | ki11bi11 | stew, as in yes it already will, or yes it will eventually? |
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| 17:38.45 | spq | where should i put custom commands i would like to execute after boot? |
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| 17:39.10 | Gixug | ki11bi11: Isn't that just a matter of enabling SMP in the kernel? |
| 17:39.16 | ManuP | how do i switch the beep off which appears, when en error in terminal occours? |
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| 17:39.36 | stew | ki11bi11: they are already supported |
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| 17:39.57 | stew | ManuP: /msg dpkg bell |
| 17:40.12 | stew | Gixug: yes, which is enabled already in all amd64 debian kernels |
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| 17:40.30 | ki11bi11 | Gixug, i have never run a multi-core system that is why i'm trying to get some info. Looking at amd 4x4 with quad core for 8 cores total. |
| 17:41.09 | ManuP | stew, what do you mean? with /msg? |
| 17:41.20 | Gixug | stew: Thanks. Just making sure I wasn't missing anything. |
| 17:41.30 | stew | ManuP: i mean type that into your irc client to ask the bot here to give you info on disabling the system bell |
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| 17:42.13 | ManuP | stew, okay, thanks |
| 17:42.20 | Gixug | ki11bi11: If you're running the stock debian kernel, then yeah, SMP is enabled and it'll run straight out of the box. Just make sure you grab the amd64 version rather than the i386 version. |
| 17:42.29 | Darkside | argh |
| 17:42.37 | Darkside | i hate it when the motherboard doesnt tell you waht jumpers do |
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| 17:42.52 | Darkside | theres a jumper here that sayd 'enable/disable' next to it... REALLY useful |
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| 17:43.10 | spq | where should i put custom commands i would like to execute after boot? do i have to create a new script in /etc/init.d ??? |
| 17:43.22 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 17:43.22 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 17:43.32 | ki11bi11 | Gixug, is the amd 64 complete? I thought it was only partial coverage of the entire debian distro. |
| 17:43.45 | stew | spq: what are the custom commands doing? (there might be a better place for them if they are, for instance, networking related) |
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| 17:43.55 | spq | stw |
| 17:44.07 | valdyn | ki11bi11: partial meaning 98%_ |
| 17:44.07 | oDesk | i want to get uid of www-data group ? |
| 17:44.13 | stew | ki11bi11: its near complete coverage |
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| 17:44.21 | stew | i would guess its much more than 98% even |
| 17:44.23 | valdyn | ki11bi11: cant be complete but it likely has all you need |
| 17:44.29 | spq | stew, they are networking related, i just want to mount some bind-mounts after nfs-mounts are mounted |
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| 17:44.34 | ki11bi11 | stew, valdyn excellent! |
| 17:44.35 | cchance | what program do i need to insall to host domain names |
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| 17:44.46 | iptablecito | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.59 | oDesk | cchance: ISPClient |
| 17:45.12 | iptablecito | any ideas ? |
| 17:45.24 | valdyn | iptablecito: cant, it doesnt work that waz |
| 17:45.26 | valdyn | iptablecito: cant, it doesnt work that way |
| 17:45.31 | stew | spq: hmm. i don't know if where there is a hook to run something after a mount by default |
| 17:45.51 | oDesk | cchance: sorry ISPConfig |
| 17:45.58 | iptablecito | valdyn yes i know but im seeking a wat to avoyd a small group of ip in the same network |
| 17:46.13 | stew | spq: the thing that mounts the nfs volumes is /etc/rcS.d/S45mountnfs.sh so perhaps after that |
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| 17:46.32 | spq | stew, hmm - nfs mounts are delayed until the networking is up - but this means that the order of the fstab is disturbed... |
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| 17:47.26 | stew | spq: well if you want it to happen when the network interface is brought up then do the mounting from an up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 17:48.18 | zicho | When i speak in my microphone, you can hear it from the domputers speakers. How can i deable that? |
| 17:48.24 | tt_ | stew: Thanks for the wodim tip. I've tested cd-record before but never got it to work, wodim worked out of the box! Thanks. |
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| 17:49.31 | valdyn | iptablecito: try if iptables can do /26, but i dont really know |
| 17:49.46 | Darkside | fraaacking hell = the motherboard doesnt even have a model number on it =/ |
| 17:49.50 | iptablecito | 26 ? |
| 17:50.08 | iptablecito | 26 can start from 10.10.60.66 to 254? |
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| 17:50.42 | mmInd | In the man page for interfaces, there's an option for "hostname" in a dhcp entry. What exactly does this hostname do? it says "Hostname to be requested", but I'm not sure what that means. |
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| 17:52.10 | \amethyst | mmInd: some DHCP servers require you to say who you are |
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| 17:52.19 | wols | mmInd: you tell the DHCP server what hostname you are so you can get a specific IP reserved for that hostname? |
| 17:52.22 | valdyn | iptablecito: /26 is 1-64 |
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| 17:52.29 | Ovi | hi |
| 17:52.29 | iptablecito | mmm |
| 17:52.36 | iptablecito | 10.10.0.0/26 ? |
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| 17:53.17 | \amethyst | valdyn: off-by-one error there :) |
| 17:53.19 | iptablecito | valdyn iptables -A IN -s 10.10.0.1/26 -p tcp -j accept ? |
| 17:53.19 | oDesk | how i can get gid? for any group.. i'm on Etch ? |
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| 17:53.34 | iptablecito | valdyn and from 64 to 254 ¿ |
| 17:53.45 | \amethyst | iptablecito: that's not a single range |
| 17:53.59 | valdyn | iptablecito: that cant be expressed by /<x> |
| 17:54.00 | mmInd | wols: ok, I see. |
| 17:54.05 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 17:54.35 | mmInd | wols: like if you want a static ip address. |
| 17:54.44 | \amethyst | oDesk: getent group staff | cut -d: -f3 |
| 17:54.47 | valdyn | iptablecito: you can always deny all and do exceptions or allow all and do exceptions, whatever needs less rules |
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| 17:55.04 | Darkside | Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 |
| 17:55.04 | \amethyst | oDesk: replace 'staff' with the group you want to look up |
| 17:55.07 | Darkside | is the video card |
| 17:55.16 | iptablecito | exmple i want to avoid 10.10.0.66 from the firewall |
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| 17:56.08 | iptablecito | 1192798677.724 598 10.100.0.66 TCP_MISS/304 357 GET http://images.apple.com/quicktime/download/images/g |
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| 17:56.15 | oDesk | \amethyst: thanks |
| 17:56.23 | madclicker | I would be interested to run a MS 2003 R2 OS as a guest OS on my Etch host system. How can I accomplish that? |
| 17:56.43 | fyrestrtr | madclicker: vmware? |
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| 17:57.18 | alaya | madclicker: does grep -i vt /proc/cpuinfo return anything? |
| 17:57.23 | madclicker | fyrestrtr, how does vmware compares to other opensource solutions? |
| 17:57.41 | fyrestrtr | I have only tried vmware since it seems to work the best. |
| 17:57.51 | the-me | virtualbox works fine |
| 17:58.00 | valdyn | vmware is just very intrusive |
| 17:58.05 | madclicker | Alaya: nope |
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| 17:58.23 | valdyn | kvm is supported out of the box for cpus supporting the required extension |
| 17:58.34 | LasT_SuRvivoR | Hello what was the link to general APT packaging tutorial ?? |
| 17:58.43 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 17:58.44 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 17:58.45 | alaya | madclicker: without a cpu supporting vt extensions, kvm and qemu won't work, but vmware or possibly virtualbox as mentioned above would |
| 17:59.03 | valdyn | qemu needs no extension. |
| 17:59.07 | valdyn | kvm does |
| 17:59.09 | alaya | oh |
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| 17:59.36 | madclicker | alaya: i have the latest CPU, how can i see the info from my CPU? |
| 17:59.48 | fyrestrtr | madclicker: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:59.49 | sep | madclicker, vmware is not too fast on io, but it have the easiest to use networking stack, but it's not free nor gratis so it's often not an option, there is a gratis version called server, but it lack many of the nicer features of workstation |
| 17:59.52 | valdyn | qemu is slow, qemu with kernel support module is fast, kvm is probably even faster |
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| 18:00.03 | jelly | once upon a time, there was a nice cup of stuf picture on the x strike force or in general vicinity thereof. where did I see it? |
| 18:00.04 | valdyn | they all don't do directx, only vmware does |
| 18:00.06 | LasT_SuRvivoR | Is there a tutorial which i can install KDE for debian after minimal-cd install?? |
| 18:00.10 | ki11bi11 | is there a vmware package for debian? i know red hat had one... |
| 18:00.10 | sep | qemu is ok if you use kvm or kquemy |
| 18:00.15 | fyrestrtr | vmware player and vmware server are both free though. |
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| 18:00.17 | sep | and virtualbox is nice |
| 18:00.28 | sep | fyrestrtr, gratis, but not free :) |
| 18:00.30 | alaya | madclicker: even with vt extensions, vmware probably runs better than kvm or qemu imho |
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| 18:00.45 | fyrestrtr | sep: what is the difference? |
| 18:00.54 | jelly | sep: virtualbox-ose (the free one) is a bit less nice |
| 18:00.59 | valdyn | probably better yes, but nothing can be that much faster than kvm, technically |
| 18:01.02 | LasT_SuRvivoR | Is there a tutorial which i can install KDE for debian after minimal-cd install?? |
| 18:01.06 | sep | jelly, i have only used the ose one... |
| 18:01.34 | alaya | madclicker: for windows hosts in which you expect to do a lot of graphical work. i think kvm is really good for virtual linux servers that are fast and easy to manage, etc. |
| 18:01.41 | valdyn | LasT_SuRvivoR: it's 'aptitude install kde', no tutorial needed |
| 18:01.42 | jelly | sep: heh. I've tried it for a day and went back to their nonfree build. USB2 support |
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| 18:01.55 | ki11bi11 | LasT_SuRvivoR, can't you apt -get install kde or something |
| 18:01.59 | valdyn | LasT_SuRvivoR: or "aptitude install xorg kde" |
| 18:02.14 | jelly | sep: still vmware-server is _much_ more stable |
| 18:02.16 | LasT_SuRvivoR | ki11bi11 A web site had a brief tutorial about subjects like that, i wanna find that doc |
| 18:02.20 | sep | fyrestrtr, gratis mans you dont have to pay for it, free meens you dont have a collar around your neck |
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| 18:02.47 | alaya | LasT_SuRvivoR: what they say, but you can also check the /topic in #debian-kde chan for wiki help info |
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| 18:03.38 | fyrestrtr | sep: I don't think _practically_ it means anything. I would rather have the backing of something like vmware if I am running anything criticial in virtualization; and my download didn't come with any collars. |
| 18:03.57 | OXIj | how to mount 2 Fs into 1 dir. first RO, and other for writing? |
| 18:03.57 | fyrestrtr | but I am weird like that :) |
| 18:04.02 | sep | jelly i only use it for testing so i dont run that often into stability issues, but vmwares snapsots and network config between machines is easier then the free alternatives |
| 18:04.14 | ki11bi11 | alaya, how is kvm vs xen, i use xen, never heard of kvm |
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| 18:04.16 | LasT_SuRvivoR | alaya : It was a web page, explaining how to setup new software after installing fresh debian(180mb) |
| 18:04.19 | fyrestrtr | OXIj: I don't think you can mount two things to one mount point. |
| 18:04.44 | OXIj | fyrestrtr, i can. but i forgot how |
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| 18:04.52 | alaya | ki11bi11: i have never had xen run successfully without breaking or having hardware issues with any system i've run it on, so i can't comment on it |
| 18:05.03 | simonrvn | OXIj: no, you can't. |
| 18:05.06 | OXIj | fyrestrtr, i read about it some time ago |
| 18:05.07 | fyrestrtr | the think I don't like about xen is that it needs a kernel compile. |
| 18:05.29 | OXIj | its a special module for kernel or something |
| 18:05.36 | fyrestrtr | and so if you run anything else that requires kernel headers; you have to recompile it from scratch. |
| 18:05.48 | alaya | ki11bi11: i think kvm is great for a lot of the enterprise server virtualization deployments, and vmware for stuff like running a windows guest |
| 18:05.50 | Idan2 | i need some help plz. i got some debgain 4 box that had mysqld installed manually, after being extracted from .tar d/l from web (wasn't my doing, some freind who dont know too much about linux, and didnt use the apt-get). now i want to do: "apt-get install mysql-server" to install the mysql properly on box. but not sure what will happen to db's/users that are already installed on box |
| 18:06.19 | Darkside | wheeee |
| 18:06.22 | Darkside | linux is page faulting |
| 18:06.26 | simonrvn | OXIj: you're probably thinking of bind mounts, but you still can't mount 2 FSes to one mountpoint |
| 18:06.27 | Darkside | ;p;;;;;; |
| 18:06.29 | Darkside | lolll |
| 18:06.45 | evadave | You lol-mistaked. 50 point deduction |
| 18:06.52 | Darkside | it just keeps on going and going and going... |
| 18:06.53 | ki11bi11 | alaya, yes vmware runs windows well, but is there a deb package for it, would be perfect if there was. |
| 18:06.53 | Idan2 | will the "apt-get install mysql-server" keep's DB's already on box, or will delete them ? |
| 18:06.56 | simonrvn | OXIj: bind mounts are mainstream now |
| 18:06.58 | OXIj | simonrvn, no. its for cdrom "writing" emulation |
| 18:07.08 | fyrestrtr | Idan2: find out were the data directory is for the manual mysql install -- why do you want to install the one from apt? Is the manual one not working? |
| 18:07.17 | \amethyst | !unionfs |
| 18:07.17 | dpkg | hmm... unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
| 18:07.21 | OXIj | one fs in /cdrom RO and other is RW |
| 18:07.32 | OXIj | you cp some /cdrom |
| 18:07.36 | OXIj | profit |
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| 18:08.02 | simonrvn | oooh, i see. my bad |
| 18:08.10 | alaya | Idan2: you'd want to copy the stuff from the mysql directory of the custom install into /var/lib/mysql of the debian install, plus possibly other stuff (e.g. settings from /etc) |
| 18:08.20 | \amethyst | OXIj: unionfs (kernel-space) or funionfs (user-space with FUSE) is probably what you want |
| 18:08.23 | fyrestrtr | ki11bi11: check the vmware website, I think they have one. |
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| 18:08.33 | OXIj | \amethyst, y. thx |
| 18:09.01 | ki11bi11 | fyrestrtr, i'll check |
| 18:09.18 | Idan2 | fyrestrtr: yea, when i try to run eggdrop with mysqltcl installed i get error saying: |
| 18:09.30 | Idan2 | [20:38] mysqlconnect/db server: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 18:09.30 | Idan2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.33 | alaya | ki11bi11: i just read that they are going to be working closely with ubuntu, so maybe there will be some contrib back to debian hopefully also |
| 18:09.48 | Idan2 | and when i look there, there isnt even file called mysqld.sock on entire box |
| 18:10.00 | fyrestrtr | Idan2: you don't need to re-install for that, just find out where the socket is and fix the eggdrop (wth is that?) script. |
| 18:10.06 | madclicker | alaya, "vt" is it under flags? |
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| 18:10.07 | \amethyst | Idan2: Are you running mysql ? |
| 18:10.10 | stew | Idan2: is mysql-server installed and running? |
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| 18:10.16 | Idan2 | yep |
| 18:10.16 | alaya | madclicker: correct |
| 18:10.25 | Idan2 | but it's looking for file that doesnt exsits on my box |
| 18:10.34 | Idan2 | i dont have on box the mysql.sock file |
| 18:10.34 | \amethyst | Idan2: then you should have a /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 18:10.38 | alaya | madclicker: on intel cpu that what it's called. not sure if its the same name under amd chips... |
| 18:10.39 | Idan2 | did search on box |
| 18:10.40 | stew | Idan2: what does "grep socket /etc/mysql/my.cnf" return? |
| 18:10.44 | \amethyst | Idan2: is this the debian package for mysql ? |
| 18:10.44 | fyrestrtr | Idan2: check your process list for the command that mysql is using, it will tell the directory. |
| 18:10.58 | Idan2 | sec stew, trying |
| 18:11.00 | madclicker | pu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 18:11.09 | abrotman | that's nto english! |
| 18:11.13 | simonrvn | \amethyst: i'd forgotten about unionfs =) |
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| 18:11.36 | alaya | madclicker: looks like no |
| 18:11.38 | madclicker | alaya, ^ those are the flags |
| 18:11.42 | madclicker | :( |
| 18:11.45 | \amethyst | simonrvn: BSD has had something similar for a lot longer than Linux I believe |
| 18:11.49 | alaya | madclicker: sometimes there is bios option to enable it |
| 18:11.53 | simonrvn | \amethyst: yup |
| 18:12.07 | Idan2 | grep socket /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 18:12.07 | Idan2 | # Remember to edit /etc/mysql/debian.cnf when changing the socket location. |
| 18:12.07 | Idan2 | socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 18:12.11 | simonrvn | iirc it's port of the bsd one |
| 18:12.14 | Idan2 | 3 lines like last one |
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| 18:12.34 | stew | Idan2: then it doens't look like mysql is started |
| 18:12.34 | madclicker | alaya, once enabled vmware is the way to go i guess, I was hoping for native Debian solution |
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| 18:12.45 | bintut | how will i enable acpi on debian etch amd64? |
| 18:12.54 | abrotman | a server? |
| 18:13.00 | alaya | madclicker: no, vmware doesn't require it. |
| 18:13.08 | Idan2 | fyrestrtr, looked @ ps, i founf the dir, but still no "mysql.sock" file there, under any dir |
| 18:13.14 | stew | alaya: wait, what is vt the flag for? |
| 18:13.39 | fyrestrtr | Idan2: check the my.cnf file |
| 18:13.54 | bintut | i don't know why there's no /proc/acpi |
| 18:14.05 | stew | madclicker: what are you trying to figure out from your flags line? |
| 18:14.15 | alaya | check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
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| 18:14.59 | alaya | stew: to run unmodified windows guest under kvm or not |
| 18:15.16 | jelly | madclicker: "vmx" is AMD's hardware virtualization support |
| 18:15.21 | madclicker | stew, if i would be able to have a guest OS on my etch system |
| 18:15.22 | alaya | cpu must support virtualization |
| 18:15.25 | stew | alaya: is that different that the vmx flag that indicates that his cpu supports virtualization? |
| 18:15.26 | Idan2 | is there way to re-create the "mysql.sock" without doing "apt-get install mysql-server" ? |
| 18:15.43 | bintut | how to enable acpi on debian etch amd64? |
| 18:15.43 | alaya | stew: is it vmx? i can't remember. i thought it was vt |
| 18:15.44 | stew | jelly: its vmx for intel and svm for amd, i think |
| 18:15.47 | madclicker | jelly, Intel core duo 2.6 |
| 18:15.54 | jelly | madclicker: err, disregard my last line |
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| 18:16.07 | stew | madclicker: the vmx indicates that you have hardware virtualization support |
| 18:16.10 | Idan2 | as find -name mysql.sock finds nothing on my box |
| 18:16.17 | stew | Idan2: you have to start mysql |
| 18:16.25 | oDesk | i used this tutorial ( http://www.howtoforge.com/proftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting_debian_etch )to setup proftpd with mysql, now i want to add new user with www-data group which has gid 33 |
| 18:16.33 | alaya | thanks stew |
| 18:17.07 | oDesk | the user i add can login without problems, but does not have write permission |
| 18:17.20 | stew | oDesk: doesn't have write permission to which file/directory? |
| 18:17.21 | madclicker | thanks guys, to sum it up, kvm with kernel module should be able to hack it |
| 18:17.34 | smacnay | Is there a vpn protocol that works with Mac, Windows, and Linux? openvpn will not because Mac doesn't do ssl vpn. |
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| 18:18.05 | alaya | madclicker: so it would run under kvm, but be aware that graphics could be really crappy and other IO also sucky, compared with vmware |
| 18:18.22 | oDesk | stew: the directory chown to www-data , if i chown it to ftpgroup:ftpuser the ftp account can write to this dirctory |
| 18:18.43 | madclicker | alaya, i need to run a server for testing MS SQL 2005, no grapics needed |
| 18:18.54 | bintut | anyone here how to enable acpi on debian etch amd64? |
| 18:19.09 | jeff_hann | bintut, explain |
| 18:19.11 | stew | smacnay: wait, why not openvpn? |
| 18:19.17 | bintut | i was expecting that acpi is already enabled by default on etch |
| 18:19.20 | madclicker | what ever happened to ZEN virtualization? |
| 18:19.24 | jeff_hann | it is |
| 18:19.43 | smacnay | stew: I don't think that Mac's do ssl type vpn - IPsec and PPtP (?). |
| 18:19.54 | stew | smacnay: openvpn builds on mac |
| 18:19.58 | bintut | jeff_hann: what do you mean explain? i don't have /proc/acpi directory so acpi is not enabled by default |
| 18:20.09 | stew | smacnay: well pptp and ipsec work on both debian and win32 |
| 18:20.19 | xand | smacnay: pptp |
| 18:20.21 | smacnay | stew: ah, so just install openvpn on Mac and not use Mac OSX default vpn.... |
| 18:20.36 | xand | smacnay: pptp is built-in to both os x, windows, linux |
| 18:20.38 | alaya | madclicker: fyi see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization for background |
| 18:20.57 | madclicker | alaya, thank a bunch , i shall |
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| 18:21.04 | stew | oDesk: what uid does your user use? |
| 18:21.13 | smacnay | xand: is there a "preferred" vpn protocol? I am new to it and am not sure of which one to use. |
| 18:21.18 | stew | oDesk: or, what group owns the directory in quesion? |
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| 18:21.45 | stew | oDesk: or can you just show the output of "ls -l /path/to/the/directory"? |
| 18:21.47 | xand | smacnay: pptp is probably is the easiest if you have all those clients |
| 18:21.56 | xand | smacnay: I don't know what's "preferred" though |
| 18:21.58 | oDesk | stew: group 'www-data' owns the directory |
| 18:22.27 | stew | oDesk: and what are the directory permissions? |
| 18:22.27 | oDesk | stew: for ex. -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 8001 Oct 6 09:07 README |
| 18:22.30 | smacnay | xand: thanks |
| 18:22.36 | profanephobia | someone in apache told me that debians init script is broken |
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| 18:22.57 | stew | oDesk: so the www-data group is not allowed to write but is allowed to read |
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| 18:23.18 | stew | profanephobia: how is it broken? |
| 18:23.36 | profanephobia | stew, because /etc/init.d/apache2 doesnt work anymore |
| 18:23.39 | oDesk | stew: yes here is the directory output drwxr-xr-x 14 www-data www-data 4096 Oct 9 00:00 |
| 18:23.46 | stew | profanephobia: what is in /etc/default/apache2? |
| 18:23.53 | abrotman | did it work before? |
| 18:24.05 | stew | oDesk: so the www-data user is not allowed to create files in that directory, by those permissions |
| 18:24.20 | stew | oDesk: err, www-data group, not www-data user |
| 18:24.22 | cchance[A] | how come everything else such as ssh and ftp work on my server and the apache2 dont |
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| 18:24.33 | profanephobia | stew, # 0 = start on boot; 1 = don't start on boot |
| 18:24.34 | profanephobia | NO_START=0 |
| 18:24.45 | abrotman | profanephobia: do you get an error when you use the init script ? |
| 18:24.50 | stew | profanephobia: so what makes you say that /etc/init.d/apache2 doesn't work? |
| 18:24.51 | simonrvn | cchance[A]: that's like saying how come i can't read your mind |
| 18:25.05 | stew | cchance[A]: so what makes you say that apache2 doesn't work? |
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| 18:25.22 | cchance[A] | because i cant access it via one of my lan computers |
| 18:25.23 | oDesk | well, if i chown ftpgroup:ftpuser -R directory/ then i can write to this directory |
| 18:25.29 | stew | cchance[A]: is it started? |
| 18:25.42 | cchance[A] | it always does at boot up |
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| 18:25.53 | profanephobia | stew, abrotman when i go to start apache2 it says httpd (no PId file) not started then it fails.....i checked and there is no pid file for apache anymore |
| 18:26.02 | oDesk | stew: but if i chown it to www-data:www-data -R directory i can't write to this directory using the FTP user i created |
| 18:26.02 | stew | oDesk: that means that the user you are loggin in as is using the userid "ftpgroup" which is quite odd, as i would guess that is a group name, not a username |
| 18:26.19 | abrotman | profanephobia: there wouldn't be unless it was running .. that's the only error you get ? |
| 18:26.27 | oDesk | stew: i'm login as root |
| 18:26.28 | profanephobia | abrotman, yes |
| 18:26.28 | stew | oDesk: then the user your are logging is as using the credentials of the "ftpgroup" user, and not the www-data user. |
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| 18:26.47 | stew | oDesk: i thought you were logging in as the user you just created with the www-data group? |
| 18:26.54 | abrotman | profanephobia: you're using start or restart ? |
| 18:27.13 | profanephobia | abrotman, both have the same output |
| 18:27.18 | zicho | Can someone help me getting my microphone to work? |
| 18:27.25 | stew | profanephobia: show us the exact output of "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:27.57 | stew | oDesk: is it your intention that users that are in the group named "www-data" should be able to write to this directory? |
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| 18:28.03 | nico1234 | hi |
| 18:28.18 | oDesk | stew: i just folloed this tutorial ( http://www.howtoforge.com/proftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting_debian_etch ) it gives me the ability to add user with gid uid password, now rather than using installation group, i tend to use 'www-data' group |
| 18:28.21 | nico1234 | anyone having choppy video playback after upgrading to lenny? |
| 18:28.29 | stew | oDesk: ok |
| 18:28.44 | stew | oDesk: you didn't give the www-data group write access to that directory or that file |
| 18:28.45 | nico1234 | like a loading time every now and then |
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| 18:28.54 | stew | oDesk: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:28.56 | abrotman | nico1234: did you check the BTS ? |
| 18:29.08 | nico1234 | abrotman, the what? |
| 18:29.11 | profanephobia | stew, abrotman ok i fixed it by doing apache2ctl start |
| 18:29.18 | abrotman | nico1234: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:29.26 | abrotman | profanephobia: but you need the init script to work |
| 18:29.32 | oDesk | stew: i think by chown www-data:www-data -R directory/ then directory have writable by 'www-data' ?! |
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| 18:29.39 | profanephobia | abrotman, surprisingly it does now |
| 18:29.44 | abrotman | well .. i guess not *need* |
| 18:29.49 | abrotman | profanephobia: uhm .. okay then .. carry on! |
| 18:29.59 | profanephobia | abrotman, im dumbfounded |
| 18:30.05 | profanephobia | as to how this happened |
| 18:30.13 | Max_- | Just started installing debian on my laptop with the parameter "expertgui" and it finds eth0 (IEEE1394) and eth1 (which is the wired connection) but it can't connect to the wireless router... I disabled WPA to give it a chance, restarted the installation and it still didn't work.. what can I do?!?!?!? |
| 18:30.14 | profanephobia | but anyways thanks! |
| 18:30.32 | helo | anyone know of a good way to add a slight pink pigment to everything displayed on a monitor? |
| 18:30.39 | helo | maybe libpinkscreen? |
| 18:30.47 | stew | oDesk: you have it writable by the www-data user, but not the www-data group |
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| 18:31.03 | helo | i'm having trouble with getting black to look pinkish... :( |
| 18:31.05 | wols | Max_-: what wlan chip? |
| 18:31.36 | oDesk | stew: i tried now su - www-data, then i edited files there without problem |
| 18:31.41 | ManuP | is it ssh port:user@host ? |
| 18:31.47 | zicho | Can someone help me getting my microphone to work? |
| 18:31.54 | oDesk | stew: the only problem is that i want to add FTP user to 'www-data' group |
| 18:31.55 | wols | !wayttd ManuP |
| 18:31.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ManuP? |
| 18:32.05 | Max_- | wols : no idea... it's a fujitsu lifebook n6410... can I see it in windows?? I actually rebooted under winxp.. |
| 18:32.16 | ManuP | wols, establishing a ssh connection ^^ |
| 18:32.20 | helo | ssh -oPort=port user@host |
| 18:32.24 | wols | Max_-: lspci. and until you can tell us what WLAN chip it is we can't help you |
| 18:32.27 | stew | oDesk: it makes sense that "su - www-data" would let you edit the files since they are editable by the www-data user |
| 18:32.29 | ManuP | helo, thanks |
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| 18:33.06 | Max_- | wols : okay, finding the info |
| 18:33.14 | nico1234 | abrotman, didn't find anything |
| 18:33.17 | stew | oDesk: neither that file nor that directory have the group write permission |
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| 18:34.40 | oDesk | stew: um.. |
| 18:34.44 | Alarm | hello on my system i got 2 users, alarm and stef . i got this line on fstab for mounting my ntfs partition /dev/hda5 /media/win3 ntfs auto,gid=1000,umask=0002,nls=utf8 . what i want to do is that the partition will be automounted for the user alarm (id 1000) but not for the user stef (id 500) |
| 18:35.33 | Max_- | wols : it's a Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet B57 chipset |
| 18:36.12 | valdyn | Alarm: set uid 1000, set umask uh, to 0200 i think |
| 18:36.17 | \amethyst | Alarm: auto means it's mounted on boot |
| 18:36.44 | valdyn | Alarm: assuming you really want to adjust access permissions, not "mounting for" anyone |
| 18:36.46 | Alarm | \amethyst, thats clear. thats why i said automounted just for the user alarm |
| 18:37.01 | \amethyst | Alarm: Do you mean only alarm should have permissions to access it? |
| 18:37.02 | stew | 0200 would be an odd umask |
| 18:37.02 | Alarm | i want access permition for the user alarm |
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| 18:37.20 | Alarm | \amethyst, i mean that it should be mounted only for the user alarm, or thats not possible ? |
| 18:37.34 | \amethyst | Alarm: What do you mean 'for the user alarm'? |
| 18:37.35 | stew | Alarm: i don't think that is possible without using something like sudo |
| 18:37.44 | \amethyst | You only want it to be mounted when alarm logs in? |
| 18:37.44 | ManuP | if A is logged in on Bs PC via ssh, is there a possibility to let B see what A types in commandline |
| 18:37.46 | valdyn | Alarm: dont touch mask, nm that part of what i said |
| 18:37.46 | ManuP | ? |
| 18:37.47 | Alarm | or so that only alarm can mount them and no other user |
| 18:38.07 | stew | ManuP: are they both logged in as the same user? |
| 18:38.25 | Alarm | well that would also work for me. user alarm to be the only user to be able to mount it after a login |
| 18:38.26 | valdyn | Alarm: is that a hotpluggable partition or something? what's the problem with automounting it ? |
| 18:38.34 | Alarm | no, normal ntfs partition |
| 18:38.47 | ManuP | stew, fitst yes, but then A logs via su as admin in system |
| 18:38.48 | valdyn | Alarm: so just let it be automounted |
| 18:39.04 | Alarm | valdyn, i dont have any problem mounting it. i want only the user alarm to be able to mount it (not stef) or to be automounted only for the user alarm |
| 18:39.05 | ManuP | stew, but B can become admin too. so they would be the same user |
| 18:39.14 | oDesk | stew: here how i can add ftp user , INSERT INTO `ftpgroup` (`groupname`, `gid`, `members`) VALUES ('ftpgroup', 2001, 'ftpuser'); |
| 18:39.15 | \amethyst | ManuP: ttysnoop |
| 18:39.21 | valdyn | Alarm: i see yes, but what's the point? |
| 18:39.28 | valdyn | Alarm: just let root mount it on bootup |
| 18:39.38 | stew | ManuP: when both users are the same user, then one can type "screen" and the other can type "screen -x" and they will both be sharing a virtual terminal |
| 18:39.44 | ManuP | \amethyst, dpkg> i heard ttysnoop is evil and shoud never, ever be used |
| 18:39.48 | oDesk | stew: instead i want to use INSERT INTO `ftpgroup` (`groupname`, `gid`, `members`) VALUES ('www-data', 33, 'www-data'); |
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| 18:40.01 | stew | oDesk: ok |
| 18:40.08 | valdyn | Alarm: the point isn't who can mount it, but who can read/write to it, as far as i understand |
| 18:40.09 | Alarm | valdyn, cause i dont want other users to be able to view my partitions contest |
| 18:40.22 | \amethyst | ManuP: because spying on people without their consent is evil |
| 18:40.31 | Alarm | i dont want to be able to mount it at all. not to read it . |
| 18:40.42 | Alarm | if its about reading i change the permitions |
| 18:40.43 | valdyn | Alarm: so no mask then |
| 18:40.54 | stew | oDesk: the www-data group doesn't have access to those files |
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| 18:41.09 | stew | oDesk: doens't ahve WRITE access, only read access |
| 18:41.10 | Alarm | remove completely the umask ? that would have what kind of effect ? |
| 18:41.24 | yassine | good evening everyone |
| 18:41.28 | stew | oDesk: this is very plainly shown by the output of ls -l that you showed above |
| 18:41.30 | ManuP | stew, wow, wonderful. it works just fine |
| 18:41.33 | \amethyst | Alarm: use auto,uid=1000,umask=077,nls=utf8 to make it mounted on boot, and only readable by user 1000 |
| 18:41.43 | stew | oDesk: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:41.53 | ManuP | \amethyst, its a friend and i am on the phone with im :) |
| 18:41.57 | smacnay | With a hardware router between my machine and the internet, does one need iptables/shorewall or will the hardware router do a good job of weeding out traffic? Also, how much overhead does a shorewall/iptables setup consume? |
| 18:42.04 | Alarm | ok i will try that |
| 18:42.06 | yassine | each time i start compiz on my debian ecth machine the title bar of each window im running disapears any idea what could be the problem? |
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| 18:42.17 | \amethyst | ManuP: then screen -x is probably what you want |
| 18:42.21 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: hardware router is probably good enough |
| 18:42.34 | valdyn | yassine: gtk-window-decorator not running at all or not running properly |
| 18:42.40 | Max_- | How do I get Broadcom B57 chipset (for wireless ethernet) working on installation? |
| 18:42.42 | zicho | Can someone help me getting my microphone to work? |
| 18:42.54 | oDesk | stew: so 'r-x' is the group permission. how i change it ? |
| 18:42.56 | hellop | need some advice, is 256MB RAM sufficent for debian, IceWM, Firefox and Openoffice to run without slowdown from paging to disk? |
| 18:43.00 | yassine | valdyn, how can i find that out please? |
| 18:43.03 | Alarm | thank you :) |
| 18:43.04 | smacnay | h3sp4wn: and if the router is set to "pass through" vpn, no ports need to be set on it? I plan to use openvpn on my machine and the remote host as well. |
| 18:43.11 | oDesk | stew: chmod ? |
| 18:43.13 | valdyn | yassine: just try to run that program |
| 18:43.23 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: passthrough vpn is for ipsec |
| 18:43.35 | hellop | Some how we were able to run web browser and office with 32MB of ram back in the day. |
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| 18:43.44 | ManuP | \amethyst, jip |
| 18:43.45 | yassine | valdyn, gtk-window-decorator: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a decoration manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current decoration manager |
| 18:43.51 | smacnay | h3sp4wn: ah, so I will need to open certain ports on the hardware routers for openvpn to work. |
| 18:43.55 | valdyn | yassine: so go ahead do that |
| 18:44.12 | yassine | valdyn, no change at all |
| 18:44.13 | \amethyst | Alarm: to make it so that it's not mounted on boot but only user 1000 can mount it, you'd need to set the ownership of the device file and use noauto,owner,uid=1000,umask=077,nls=utf8 |
| 18:44.14 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: If you are allowing the openvpn port to be externally accessed then perhaps you could set an ip range that is allowed to connect but shouldn't really even need to |
| 18:44.44 | valdyn | hellop: the web changed alot, the office programs didn't get smaller |
| 18:44.49 | oDesk | stew: hey, i'm not professional, i simply want to create ftp account points to directory with 'www-data' group |
| 18:44.53 | jelly | hellop: one browser window, no animations except for gifs and one office document |
| 18:44.58 | \amethyst | Alarm: setting the ownership requires chowning it at boot or setting up a udev rule |
| 18:45.00 | smacnay | h3sp4wn: the idea is to allow both my local computer and the remote computers to access eachother. |
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| 18:45.15 | oDesk | stew: =) |
| 18:45.25 | Alarm | i will leave it like that for the moment to see how it works, and then i will try with noauto |
| 18:45.30 | stew | oDesk: yes, with chmod |
| 18:45.40 | hellop | jelly, hmm... so basically not sufficent for a light office user in a business setting? |
| 18:45.41 | Alarm | now something else |
| 18:45.43 | Alarm | and another problem that i couldnt solve. i got an external hd with ntfs. when i turn it on i get a dialog box (on kde) with the error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid1000. when i pmount /dev/sda1 , its working fine. |
| 18:45.57 | valdyn | hellop: is openoffice a strict requirement? |
| 18:46.12 | valdyn | hellop: its huge, it uses its own custom gui toolkit, no way to make that thing small |
| 18:46.22 | valdyn | hellop: same for firefox, pretty much, |
| 18:46.29 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: If there is one side with just one machine on it then don't bother opening a port for that (just on the side with a few computers) even then if you are using certificates its safe |
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| 18:46.54 | linkslice | ok ok ok, i admit it, i'm a lilo nerd, now that we're past my sins, can someone help me add boot options to grub? I want to add reboot=bios, but when I add it to menu.lst, then run update-grub, it takes the option back out |
| 18:46.59 | smacnay | h3sp4wn: one side has one machine, the other has 2. |
| 18:47.02 | hellop | valdyn, only requirements are flash for web browser, and functional interoperability with MS office. |
| 18:47.26 | jelly | hellop: I'd used a P3/500 with 320MB and an abundance of tabs (in Opera) without problems. It was usable with 128MB too. As for OO.o, the old 1.1 version was much more resource friendly so I can't say anything about that |
| 18:47.26 | valdyn | hellop: whatever "functional interoperability" is supposed to mean |
| 18:47.50 | hellop | I want to give some friends of mine linux. People with kids who need to do school work... |
| 18:47.57 | nico1234 | and while we're at it, i'd have to add "noapic" in the boot options but i have no idea where that means (grub too?) |
| 18:48.08 | valdyn | hellop: they should get more than 256 mb ram |
| 18:48.19 | xingu | "flash for web-browser" and "256MB DRAM" seem diametrically opposed goals to me |
| 18:48.23 | Max_- | Please, someone, wols?! |
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| 18:48.38 | yassine | valdyn, any idea i could try again? |
| 18:48.50 | valdyn | hellop: not like 1G ram is expensive nowadays, or is that the issue? |
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| 18:49.03 | Alarm | now that someone mentioned openoffice. why the installation of it requires gcc-3.4-base when 4.1 is installed ? |
| 18:49.06 | valdyn | yassine: i don't know then |
| 18:49.08 | smacnay | h3sp4wn: I have openvpn on my machine (not working yet) but would ipsec be easier to install. Or just go with openvpn. |
| 18:49.10 | Ace2016 | Hi all i'm back |
| 18:49.12 | hellop | valdyn, you can exchange 99% of office documents with MS Office users. So, it doesn't have to support every feature. But, most cases, of the average user's docs. |
| 18:49.15 | Ace2016 | with debian sid :D |
| 18:49.31 | valdyn | hellop: yea, i see |
| 18:49.33 | hellop | valydn, yes.. trying to keep PC under $200.. |
| 18:49.37 | valdyn | hellop: but 256 mb ram is not enough |
| 18:49.44 | Ace2016 | ebay? |
| 18:49.48 | hellop | valydn, 256MB ram is $8.50, 1GB is like $100 |
| 18:49.58 | Ace2016 | get about 1gb |
| 18:50.01 | valdyn | hellop: not for comfortably working anything that needs openoffice or flash |
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| 18:50.04 | hellop | valdyn (DDR SODIMM) |
| 18:50.41 | valdyn | hellop: you can try replacing openoffice with abiword / gnumeric and firefox with a smaller alternative |
| 18:50.51 | hellop | darn.. ok thanks, altough I think *I* could get by on 256 |
| 18:50.52 | valdyn | hellop: but nothing is going to make "modern" webbrowsing light |
| 18:51.22 | jelly | hellop: sodimm... a laptop? |
| 18:51.23 | Ace2016 | ok so when compiling a kernel and you have a 64 bit amd processor, not sure what one, the laptop versions, x56 or something, and you want to run a 32bit os, what do you pick when it asks for: Processor family?? |
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| 18:51.24 | hellop | valdyn, they'll probably have like 25 browser windows open at some point... |
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| 18:51.39 | hellop | jelly, no spare mini-itx board I have |
| 18:51.55 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: ipsec probably would be more difficult |
| 18:52.24 | valdyn | Ace2016: you google and/or ask in #kernelnewbies |
| 18:52.25 | hellop | valdyn, thanks for the info, I'll buy the 512MB and not waste time on the 256. |
| 18:52.30 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 18:52.30 | valdyn | Ace2016: or actually just use a debian kernel |
| 18:52.31 | Pete_B | Does anyone know what will happen with Icedove now that 1.5.x is end-of-lifed? will Debian take upstream's 2.0.x or begin to try to backport fixes to 1.5.x? |
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| 18:52.52 | azeem | Pete_B: you mean for stable? |
| 18:53.06 | Pete_B | azeem: yeah |
| 18:53.08 | valdyn | Pete_B: that doesnt change anything for stable |
| 18:53.16 | Ace2016 | valdyn: kernel 2.6.23 is needed to get lcd backlight control using the function buttons to work correctly |
| 18:53.18 | Pete_B | valdyn: how's that? |
| 18:53.19 | stew | Pete_B: since 1.5 is in etch, it will continue to be supported until 1 year after lenny is released |
| 18:53.20 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: I use a 64 bit kernel (32 bit userland) works fine |
| 18:53.22 | xand | Pete_B: it already has 2.* |
| 18:53.25 | azeem | if Mozilla doesn't support it anymore, Debian will still |
| 18:53.35 | valdyn | Pete_B: stable never gets features or fixes that aren't security related |
| 18:53.38 | smacnay | h3sp4wn: thanks for the advice |
| 18:53.39 | Pete_B | xand: Etch has 1.5 |
| 18:53.46 | stew | Pete_B: etch will never have 2.0 |
| 18:53.55 | valdyn | Pete_B: stable = stable because it never changes |
| 18:53.59 | oDesk | stew: even after chmod dir to 777 i can't get ftp user to write |
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| 18:54.23 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: so the kernel can be 64bit and user apps can then be 64 and 32 bit? or does the user apps have to be 32 bit with 64 bit chroot or 64bit with 32bit chroot or something like that? |
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| 18:54.34 | xand | oh... icedove, thought you said iceweasel >.< |
| 18:54.34 | stew | oDesk: what are you trying to write? |
| 18:54.44 | Pete_B | valdyn: stable gets whatever mozilla.com put out, for the same branch at least, rather than individually backported security fixes cos Mozilla don't release a patch set that can be picked through to find the individual fixes |
| 18:54.45 | Alarm | why the installation of openoffice it requires gcc-3.4-base when 4.1 is installed ? |
| 18:54.59 | wols | Max_-: that's not a wireless NIC but a wired |
| 18:55.01 | oDesk | stew: files/folders into this directory using FTP account |
| 18:55.04 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: I use all userspace 32 bit (nothing to stop me building something 64 bit if I want though) or having a 64 bit chroot |
| 18:55.31 | Pete_B | valdyn: that stable = stable is true for everything apart from Icedove and Iceweasel, as far as I was aware |
| 18:55.31 | wols | Max_-: gigabit = wired |
| 18:55.32 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: If you are using nvidia you need to get the nvidia-kernel-source from the amd64 distro , the iptables/alsa issues are now fixed |
| 18:55.37 | jelly | Pete_B: I guess someone is probably going to create a backport of the new major version for etch, but Debian itself won't carry it. |
| 18:55.47 | oDesk | stew: i only wants to create FTP account to write on 'www-data' folders |
| 18:55.48 | rance | does anybody have a good howto on getting a fully functional debian box running strickly kde, (as in no gnome, so far Ive figured out a bunch of stuff on my own. |
| 18:55.49 | stew | oDesk: what is one file that you are trying to write to? |
| 18:56.11 | stew | oDesk: show me the output of "ls -l /path/to/file" for one such file you are trying to write to |
| 18:56.16 | wols | rance: just don't install gnome |
| 18:56.17 | Max_- | wols : oh excuse me... Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection is it |
| 18:56.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | rance: Yes. Install debian, apt-get install kde |
| 18:56.47 | oDesk | stew: -rwxrwxrwx 1 www-data www-data 8002 Oct 19 18:30 README |
| 18:56.55 | wols | Max_-: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 18:57.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Max_-: #ipw2100 |
| 18:57.33 | oDesk | data www-data 8002 Oct 19 18:30 README |
| 18:57.33 | oDesk | <wols> Max_-: / |
| 18:57.37 | Max_- | uh?!? |
| 18:57.38 | oDesk | sorry! |
| 18:57.42 | Max_- | it's 39 |
| 18:58.02 | Ace2016 | oh, does using a 64bit kernel increase speed or anything? why did you do it? |
| 18:58.04 | Max_- | wols : So I just boot: expertgui dpkg ipw3945 or what? |
| 18:58.14 | wols | Max_-: no |
| 18:58.18 | Max_- | I thought so |
| 18:58.21 | wols | !tell Max_- about ipw3945 |
| 18:58.31 | wols | Max_-: you can't use the wireless when installing |
| 18:58.32 | stew | oDesk: can you download that file via ftp? |
| 18:58.42 | oDesk | stew: yes |
| 18:58.47 | Max_- | wols : oh.. I'll wire it then :S |
| 18:58.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Max_-: /join #ipw2100 |
| 18:59.08 | wols | Max_-: ipw3945 are non-free drivers |
| 18:59.29 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: ipw3945 is already in debian, just in non-free and contrib |
| 18:59.32 | stew | 13:25 < oDesk> well, if i chown ftpgroup:ftpuser -R directory/ then i can write to this directory |
| 18:59.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: Wrong |
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| 18:59.42 | stew | oDesk: is that still true ^^^ ? |
| 18:59.48 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: then correct dpkg |
| 18:59.48 | oDesk | stew: yes |
| 18:59.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: Iwlwifi and ipw* are free drivers |
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| 18:59.59 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: they are not |
| 18:59.59 | Pete_B | wols: see the ipw3945 section here: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-etch.html#wifi |
| 19:00.05 | wols | at least not DFSG |
| 19:00.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: They do, however, contain non-free firmwaers |
| 19:00.10 | jbm | has anyone here used fai? |
| 19:00.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | firmwares* |
| 19:00.11 | stew | oDesk: then it must be some setting in your ftp server |
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| 19:01.07 | oDesk | stew: hence http://www.howtoforge.com/proftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting_debian_etch_p2 |
| 19:01.22 | h3sp4wn | Inconsistant that is (the upstream kernel is not DFSG) and it was tagged sarge ignore and etch ignore the bug relating to it surely it should either be ignored or not |
| 19:01.29 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: and that makes the non-free |
| 19:01.34 | abrotman | or rather .. contrib |
| 19:01.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Still - the driver itself is free |
| 19:01.45 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: so why do you say ipw3945 is not available for debian? |
| 19:01.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: The microcode is not |
| 19:01.50 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: the driver is free but not in debian |
| 19:01.54 | abrotman | but depends on non-free bits .. thus it belongs in contrib |
| 19:01.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: I didn't say that |
| 19:02.02 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: the firmware and the daemon are not free and also not in debian |
| 19:02.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | I said Wrong to: [21:01] <wols> Max_-: ipw3945 are non-free drivers |
| 19:02.22 | abrotman | well .. if you want them to work ..y ou need the non-free bits |
| 19:02.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | True |
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| 19:02.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | But the same goes for any firmware, like your system BIOS |
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| 19:02.56 | abrotman | uhm .. not quite |
| 19:03.02 | abrotman | !tell k_ about root |
| 19:03.07 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: no. I don't need to downlaod my system BIOS |
| 19:03.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | The only difference is that you need to download this firmware and stick it into /lib/firmware |
| 19:03.18 | wols | and debian never ever needs to ship it |
| 19:03.24 | abrotman | and i don't need non-free blobs to make my BIOS work |
| 19:03.39 | stew | and there exists open source bios |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | there are .. yes |
| 19:03.53 | stew | err, s/open source/free/ |
| 19:04.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | True, stew, but that doesn't change the fact that the uCode != the driver |
| 19:04.26 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: and without that firmware blob .. the OSS driver is useless |
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| 19:04.29 | wols | abrotman: are you sinning and installing windows somewhere? |
| 19:04.32 | abrotman | !tell K about root |
| 19:04.34 | stew | this discussion is not really going nowhere, people are just trying to split hairs in different directions |
| 19:04.38 | abrotman | wols: work is work |
| 19:04.41 | stew | not...nowhere, nice, stew |
| 19:04.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: The alternative is having a fully proprietary driver, like nVidia's graphics driver |
| 19:04.56 | wols | abrotman: a hitman's work is sin too :) |
| 19:05.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What's better? Partially or fully proprietary? :) |
| 19:05.04 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: it's the same as the ipw3945 driver |
| 19:05.17 | abrotman | wols: i don't get paid that much :) |
| 19:05.33 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: what is better? partially or fully pregnant. your question is a false one |
| 19:05.34 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: THat is what they like to tell you there is no reason I can think of to not just put that flash on the card |
| 19:05.46 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: *in flash |
| 19:05.55 | wols | h3sp4wn: 5 cents are a BIG reason |
| 19:06.03 | abrotman | i've only got 2 |
| 19:06.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know what Intel were thinking when they made it that way, h3sp4wn |
| 19:06.11 | abrotman | nvidia did the same thing |
| 19:06.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or if they were thinking |
| 19:06.17 | wols | abrotman: so you endanger your immortal soul for peanuts? poor abrotman :P |
| 19:06.31 | abrotman | wols: it buys beer too! |
| 19:06.31 | streuner | s/sents/sends/ |
| 19:06.51 | wols | abrotman: become a hitman and get more beer |
| 19:07.15 | abrotman | wols: they didn't have that program at Uni |
| 19:07.17 | stew | i would guess that they were thinking (correctly) that it would make the cards more future proof, and allow them to be used unchanged in a wider array of applications |
| 19:07.40 | |Max_-| | !tell Max_- about ipw3945 |
| 19:07.54 | wols | stew: flash would allow the same. I can flash my harddisk firmware too for example |
| 19:07.58 | wols | or my BIOS |
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| 19:08.10 | abrotman | |Max_-|: /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:08.12 | wols | the only reason I can think of is money |
| 19:08.18 | stew | wols: yes, i know. this is far more flexible, however |
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| 19:08.35 | wols | yes, different frequencies in different countries |
| 19:08.41 | Ace2016 | How do i copy stuff without carrying the permissions stuff over, i don't want to repeat the whole sudo chmod 777 -R ~/* thing again |
| 19:08.52 | wols | tho I've seen many wlan routers for example where you can tell what freqs to use... |
| 19:08.55 | stew | Ace2016: you don't want to chmod 777, ever |
| 19:09.02 | Max_- | !tell Max_- about ipw3945 |
| 19:09.08 | wols | e.g. you tell it what country/continent you are. nothing prevents you from lying... |
| 19:09.20 | wols | !tell Max_- about selftell |
| 19:09.23 | streuner | Max_-: /msg dpkg ipw3945 works too |
| 19:09.37 | Ace2016 | thats why i'm asking how to copy without preserving the permissions of the files, its just my anime collection that needs to go into my home dir |
| 19:09.39 | wols | Max_-: you aren't identified to serveices so it might not work |
| 19:09.45 | Max_- | wols lol |
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| 19:09.47 | streuner | heh |
| 19:09.58 | Max_- | now I am |
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| 19:10.29 | Max_- | I was changing from mIRC to kvirc on the server so I could continue to check here while installing on my laptop.. that's the reason of the self tell |
| 19:10.47 | wols | there never is a reason for selftell |
| 19:11.10 | Max_- | ok,ok.. that's sad I did it and it worked and it didn't harm anyone then |
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| 19:11.37 | Ace2016 | so how do i copy without taking over the permissions? should i just copy it as i did before and do sudo chown ace -R * from inside ~ ? |
| 19:12.04 | stew | Ace2016: what do you mean by "taking over the permissions" are you talking about permissions or ownership? |
| 19:12.38 | techouse | anyone willing to help a debian n00b (i've worked in ubuntu before, so I've only a few debian specific questions) |
| 19:12.53 | Max_- | techouse: just ask! :) |
| 19:12.57 | techouse | tnx! |
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| 19:13.34 | techouse | where can i get the full repositories.list online, sine my /etc/apt/sources.list only has the DVD in it |
| 19:13.36 | g0th | hi |
| 19:13.46 | techouse | since* |
| 19:13.50 | g0th | I just updated my debian to the latest unstable |
| 19:13.57 | g0th | When I try to open an xterm it fails |
| 19:14.05 | wols | !tell techouse about sources.list |
| 19:14.08 | g0th | I think it is somehow related to udev/devfs/whatever |
| 19:14.17 | g0th | it can't create pty/whatever |
| 19:14.25 | g0th | any idea how to solve that? |
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| 19:14.37 | streuner | install an official kernel first |
| 19:14.57 | g0th | me? |
| 19:15.01 | stew | g0th: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:15.08 | g0th | it is an official kernel |
| 19:15.17 | azeem | please answer the question |
| 19:15.19 | g0th | 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 19:15.35 | stew | g0th: do you ahve a udevd process running? |
| 19:15.45 | g0th | yes |
| 19:15.55 | cchanc1 | A program I need requires an ftp server. What would you guys say to be a decent one? |
| 19:15.56 | g0th | udevd --daemon |
| 19:15.57 | lindylex | hello all |
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| 19:16.05 | stew | g0th: what is the exact error you get? |
| 19:16.11 | mzuverink | proftp |
| 19:16.11 | wols | cchanc1: vsftpd? but why does it need one? |
| 19:16.18 | lindylex | what do I need to install to enable m4a plaayback? |
| 19:16.30 | g0th | stew: second it's not that easy to get the error message |
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| 19:16.33 | cchanc1 | Its a Hosting Control Panel |
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| 19:17.03 | Troyji | I just installed cvs with apt-get as well as xinetd as per the Ubuntu 7.1 users guide directions... I am unable to access the CVS server remotely. Any help? |
| 19:17.08 | Ace2016 | stew: well i coppied .kde from a cdr i made using k3b of .kde in ubuntu to my home directory in debian sid, and when i used nano to try and edit one of my autostart files it said permission denied which is why (last time) i did the chmod 777 thing, so i'm wondering if its possible to fix it this time |
| 19:17.30 | cchanc1 | how easy is it to add users to vsftpd? |
| 19:17.33 | \amethyst | Troyji: what kind of remote access do you want? pserver or ssh? |
| 19:17.34 | wols | Troyji: shouldn't you ask #ubuntu? |
| 19:17.54 | Troyji | either... isn't pserver easiest? |
| 19:18.02 | stew | Ace2016: find .kde -type d | xargs chmod 700 ; find .kde -type f | xargs chmod 600 |
| 19:18.16 | Troyji | wols: because ubuntu chan is useless and this is more of a general linux question |
| 19:18.23 | \amethyst | Troyji: pserver doesn't require an account for every CVS user, but it involves plaintext transmission of passwords |
| 19:18.31 | g0th | hmm it works as root |
| 19:18.32 | \amethyst | Troyji: I'd suggest reading the CVS manual |
| 19:18.36 | wols | Troyji: we don't support Ubuntu. go back to #ubuntu please |
| 19:18.36 | g0th | stew: as a user I get: |
| 19:18.44 | Alarm | when upgrading. how can i prevent some packages not to be upgraded ? |
| 19:18.52 | g0th | xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory |
| 19:18.57 | stew | Troyji: if you find the #ubuntu channel is unable to help, try a mailing list, for general linux questions, try ##linux |
| 19:18.57 | wols | !tell Alarm about hold back |
| 19:18.58 | Alarm | apt-get install upgrade --no-upgrade packagename ? |
| 19:18.59 | Ace2016 | i reinstalled and wiped /home, its all fresh and clean and new, just want to know how to copy the thing without making the same mistake as last time |
| 19:19.02 | g0th | Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys |
| 19:19.09 | Troyji | wols: I just won't mention my distro next time huh? CVS questions are not related to Ubuntu |
| 19:19.12 | Alarm | sorry. apt-get upgrade --no-upgrade packagename ? |
| 19:19.13 | techouse | how do i fix the console to work with sudo blablabla commands? |
| 19:19.27 | Troyji | thx all |
| 19:19.30 | wols | Troyji: don't lie. and sooner or later we will find out what you run and get pissed at you even more. so don't do it |
| 19:19.50 | cchanc1 | also if I install gnome, is it going to give me a desktop or just gives GUI to programs |
| 19:19.59 | cchanc1 | because I don't want a desktop |
| 19:20.06 | Troyji | wols: I didn't say lie, I just said won't tell ;-) |
| 19:20.18 | wols | Troyji: we will ask. and then you have to lie |
| 19:20.34 | stew | please just drop it |
| 19:20.36 | wols | cchanc1: just install the program you want and not gnome. the dependency hadnling will do the rest |
| 19:20.38 | \amethyst | Troyji: http://ximbiot.com/cvs/manual/cvs-1.11.21/cvs_2.html#SEC26 |
| 19:20.39 | Alarm | okie thank you |
| 19:20.54 | Troyji | wols: there is always the play dumb option heh :-p |
| 19:20.56 | \amethyst | Troyji: also, you might want to try #cvs |
| 19:20.59 | Troyji | amethyst: thanks I will try it out |
| 19:21.10 | cchanc1 | well how much ram does gnome use? |
| 19:21.15 | wols | Troyji: you aren't the first trying that game. we have more experience with that than you |
| 19:21.32 | wols | cchanc1: it's usable from 256MB onwards imho. |
| 19:21.37 | Troyji | wols: good point |
| 19:21.41 | cchanc1 | ouch |
| 19:21.57 | Troyji | wols: I guess next time I will have to install on gentoo and return with the same question ey? |
| 19:21.59 | cchanc1 | well that kills that thought :P |
| 19:22.07 | techouse | iceweasel=firefox ?!?!?! |
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| 19:22.13 | azeem | techouse: yes |
| 19:22.16 | techouse | omg |
| 19:22.24 | g0th | stew: any idea how to fix the xterm issue, I gave the error message. |
| 19:22.25 | SlackRat | and icedove is thunderbird |
| 19:22.26 | azeem | hrm? |
| 19:22.29 | techouse | i thought it was an error |
| 19:22.35 | techouse | :P |
| 19:22.42 | Ace2016 | yea they changed the names because of copyright or something |
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| 19:22.48 | evadave | Trademark. |
| 19:22.52 | torgrimt | s/\?\!\?\!\?\!/\? |
| 19:23.04 | evadave | It's a very long and boring story |
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| 19:23.08 | \amethyst | evadave: no, trademark wasn't the issue |
| 19:23.10 | torgrimt | are you sure it was the trademark? |
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| 19:23.14 | torgrimt | linux is also a trademark |
| 19:23.18 | evadave | It certainly wasn't Copyright |
| 19:23.19 | Ace2016 | it seems pretty hypocrytical that debian trademarks it stuff and doesn't use firefox because it does the same |
| 19:23.20 | wols | amee2k: one of the issues |
| 19:23.21 | \amethyst | evadave: it was a copyright license that tried to enforce trademark rules |
| 19:23.21 | torgrimt | rename it to seagold! |
| 19:23.22 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 19:23.23 | SlackRat | and theres swiftfox out there as well, which runs fine on etch |
| 19:23.32 | \amethyst | evadave: copyright on the branded images |
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| 19:23.41 | SlackRat | mozilla insisted debian use their logo et al....iirc |
| 19:23.44 | evadave | That was an issue for ages before. |
| 19:23.52 | techouse | so ubuntu is allowed to have firefox and debian isn't?! |
| 19:23.58 | techouse | that's insane |
| 19:24.01 | cchanc1 | If you were forced to use an open source Hosting Panel which of the folowing would you use?: Zpanel, EHCP, VHCP. |
| 19:24.09 | evadave | In 2006, a naming conflict between Debian and Mozilla evolved when Mike Connor, representing the Mozilla Corporation, enforced the trademarks to deny the use of the name "Firefox" to the Debian Project if it retained its habits. |
| 19:24.13 | evadave | See. |
| 19:24.16 | evadave | Trademarks |
| 19:24.17 | torgrimt | techouse: they are not forced, its a choice |
| 19:24.29 | \amethyst | techouse: Because Ubuntu doesn't mind using non-free images |
| 19:24.30 | Ace2016 | habits? |
| 19:24.37 | \amethyst | apparently not even in gubuntu |
| 19:24.49 | torgrimt | ubuntu is linux without the boring politics ;) |
| 19:24.51 | SlackRat | or mucking up a decent debian foundation for that matter |
| 19:24.53 | techouse | ah...well.... |
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| 19:25.04 | evadave | Ubuntu still has politics. |
| 19:25.10 | azeem | techouse: no, Ubuntu doesn't care about the non-free Firefox artwork |
| 19:25.10 | torgrimt | jeh, it was a joke |
| 19:25.11 | techouse | i worked in kubuntu before.....so i got me debian+kde now |
| 19:25.11 | SlackRat | ubuntu is debian with training wheels and a crash helmet |
| 19:25.12 | techouse | :) |
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| 19:25.26 | cchanc1 | What no one participates in Chat Room Polls? |
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| 19:25.36 | Ace2016 | techouse: same here, but i miss the stuff kubuntu adds to kde |
| 19:25.38 | yassine | politics is everywhere where human are |
| 19:25.42 | torgrimt | ubuntu is for humans, debian is more for us with a digital pen0r |
| 19:25.44 | torgrimt | hehe |
| 19:25.46 | stew | the real reason that ubuntu is allowed to use the firefox mark is really just that they have not yet been asked by mozcorp to stop using it |
| 19:25.46 | techouse | get kde4 |
| 19:25.48 | techouse | :) |
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| 19:25.55 | techouse | or enlightenment |
| 19:25.56 | \amethyst | err, s/gubuntu/gobuntu/ |
| 19:25.57 | stew | g0th: i don't know. try restarting udev? |
| 19:25.58 | azeem | techouse: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/10/18/gobuntu-has-already-failed |
| 19:26.00 | L0cKn | Debian > * |
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| 19:26.02 | L0cKn | :-D |
| 19:26.03 | Silvia | hi... |
| 19:26.08 | L0cKn | Debian is the best Linux Distribution ;) |
| 19:26.22 | cchanc1 | Lockn that's good |
| 19:26.22 | lindylex | <L0cKn> Debian is the best Linux Distribution ;) 2nd that |
| 19:26.23 | stew | azeem: someone needs to tell mark about opensource vs. free |
| 19:26.24 | streuner | true, its not bad |
| 19:26.28 | g0th | hmm, when I start an xterm as root (ie. startx, then export DISPLAY=:0; xterm) it works, but as a user I get the following message: "xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory\n Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys" |
| 19:26.32 | SlackRat | bleh, without debian, buntu would be roadkill |
| 19:26.32 | Silvia | anybody knows wireless media player (C54WMP) running in debian?? |
| 19:26.40 | techouse | i'd say debian isn't a distribtion....debian IS linux |
| 19:26.42 | techouse | :) |
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| 19:26.48 | streuner | argh |
| 19:26.50 | Guerin | fail |
| 19:26.54 | torgrimt | fail ;) |
| 19:26.58 | Max_- | The Linux Floppy module is really only for 3.5 in floppies?!? Cuz I don't have any floppy reader and it wants to install it... o.0 I just uncheck this?! |
| 19:27.01 | Tr0gd0r | epic fail |
| 19:27.03 | madclicker | hi, does etch has a package for kvm? |
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| 19:27.21 | streuner | techouse: www.debian.org and www.kernel.org - visit both |
| 19:27.33 | streuner | !info kvm etch |
| 19:27.55 | streuner | Guerin: who won the rugby final? |
| 19:27.58 | L0cKn | lindylex: <L0cKn> Debian is the best Linux Distribution ;) 2nd that -> -_- |
| 19:28.13 | techouse | anyway....how do i add my default username into the sudoers file? |
| 19:28.14 | \amethyst | dpkg, why iceweasel =~ s/ for more/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more/ |
| 19:28.21 | Ace2016 | Max_-: same with me, might be some sort of standard thing to load, but it doesn't effect how the installer worked |
| 19:28.24 | \amethyst | dpkg, why iceweasel =~ s# for more# or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more# |
| 19:28.24 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 19:28.35 | L0cKn | <cchanc1> Lockn that's good |
| 19:28.37 | L0cKn | :-) |
| 19:28.43 | Max_- | Ace2016: okay, i'll flush it, thanks! |
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| 19:29.03 | L0cKn | Hello Silvia |
| 19:29.17 | L0cKn | Silvia: Wireless Media Player? |
| 19:29.18 | L0cKn | :S |
| 19:29.21 | g0th | hmm, can anyone help me with the xterm issue? |
| 19:29.25 | Silvia | Locke0, yes. |
| 19:29.44 | Silvia | Locke0, it cant connect with server |
| 19:29.48 | L0cKn | Silvia: Hmm, Just a moment |
| 19:30.11 | Silvia | Locke0, it gets the wifi, but not find server sharing disk |
| 19:30.13 | g0th | all right I try a different question ^ |
| 19:30.17 | ManuP | what is the kde equvialent to gnome metacity? |
| 19:30.31 | L0cKn | Silvia: Problems with find the server |
| 19:30.38 | L0cKn | But I cannot help you, sorry :-( |
| 19:30.47 | Silvia | Locke0, you get it? |
| 19:30.51 | g0th | When I run /etc/init.d/network start I get: "RTNETLINK answer: File exists\nFailed to bring up eth0." |
| 19:30.54 | L0cKn | No :P |
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| 19:31.36 | g0th | if I change my network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces to dhcp it suddenly works |
| 19:31.54 | g0th | though my prevered settings is a static ip so I can use port forwarding |
| 19:32.28 | techouse | http://erusan.googlepages.com/debianhowto.html <-- <3 |
| 19:32.28 | g0th | the entry in /etc/network/interfaces is: |
| 19:33.10 | Ace2016 | i just realised that only 800/900 mb of my ram is showing up in ksysguard, there is suppsed to be 2GB |
| 19:33.30 | g0th | auto eth0\n iface eth0 inet static\n address 192.168.1.51\n netmask 255.255.255.0\n network 192.168.1.0\n broadcast 192.168.1.255\n gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:33.38 | HardDisk_WP | how do I prevent UDEV from renaming wlan0 to wlan1? |
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| 19:34.58 | abrotman | !z25 |
| 19:34.58 | dpkg | [z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 19:35.16 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 19:35.17 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 19:36.08 | Ace2016 | that should be changed to move the z45....rules or something, because once you delete them and you want them back then how will you recover it? |
| 19:36.47 | HardDisk_WP | dpkg can reinstall the config files |
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| 19:36.55 | wols | Ace2016: what kernel do you run? and what size is the file /proc/kcore ? |
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| 19:37.47 | wols | g0th: change your dhcp server to assign IPs by MAC |
| 19:37.48 | Ace2016 | wols: 2.6.22-2-486 so i run cat /proc/kcore? |
| 19:38.02 | g0th | can't do that |
| 19:38.04 | wols | Ace2016: you use the wrong kernel. use a kernel for your CPU |
| 19:38.10 | g0th | I don't have access to it |
| 19:38.16 | wols | -486 kernel isn't the right one for you |
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| 19:38.32 | Ace2016 | its an athlon x56 or something for a laptop and its 64 bit, that was the kernel that the installer picked for me |
| 19:38.34 | g0th | anyway I should be able to give myself a static ip |
| 19:38.41 | g0th | the other computer has one and it works |
| 19:38.49 | wols | Ace2016: no. it's the installer kernel, nothing else. go and use the proper kernel |
| 19:39.00 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 19:39.02 | yassine | is there a way to get gnome-compiz manager installed on etch? |
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| 19:39.04 | \amethyst | Ace2016: the z45 thing it suggests removing is a symlink |
| 19:39.24 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 19:39.39 | Ace2016 | yassine: compile it yourself? find a repo? |
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| 19:39.50 | cchanc1 | on avaerage the debian desktop takes how much ram |
| 19:40.05 | wols | cchanc1: that is not an answerable question |
| 19:40.17 | wols | there is no "the debian desktop" |
| 19:40.23 | cchanc1 | ok how about the minimum requirement |
| 19:40.27 | Silvia | Locke0, how you get it? |
| 19:40.29 | zophy | when i install the xorg x server on a laptop can i expect the synaptic touchpad to be detected and configured in xorg.conf ? |
| 19:40.32 | Silvia | it works? |
| 19:40.41 | wols | cchanc1: look up the debian etch system requirements |
| 19:40.46 | cchanc1 | during install there was something that said desktop enviroment |
| 19:40.46 | g0th | gordboy: anyway unace is completly unrelated to xterm |
| 19:40.52 | cchanc1 | just wanted to know the requirements |
| 19:41.07 | wols | cchanc1: read the relase notes |
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| 19:41.20 | \amethyst | cchanc1: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 19:41.22 | g0th | hmm, when I start an xterm as root (ie. startx, then export DISPLAY=:0; xterm) it works, but as a user I get the following message: "xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory\n Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys" |
| 19:41.29 | \amethyst | cchanc1: and http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 19:41.41 | Ace2016 | cchanc1: mine is, about 300mb application memory and 600mb cache |
| 19:41.41 | wols | cchanc1: there are 3 different "desktop environments" just from install. no answerable question |
| 19:42.06 | wols | cchanc1: how much memory do you ahve and what do you want to run? |
| 19:42.12 | g0th | Why doesnt it start an xterm for a normal user? |
| 19:42.37 | cchanc1 | just the deskto but only 128 |
| 19:42.39 | wols | g0th: if root can do it and normal users can't, it usually a permission problem somewhere |
| 19:42.50 | wols | cchanc1: use xfce |
| 19:42.50 | Ronin | cchanc1: no kde or gnome then for you |
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| 19:42.59 | cchanc1 | nope |
| 19:43.01 | cchanc1 | :P |
| 19:43.16 | g0th | wols: right, where? |
| 19:43.18 | cchanc1 | xfce. Will it also run on 64 |
| 19:43.25 | wols | g0th: who should I know? |
| 19:43.31 | g0th | hmm |
| 19:43.32 | g0th | ok |
| 19:43.33 | wols | cchanc1: of course it does |
| 19:43.37 | wols | *how |
| 19:43.39 | g0th | what about the message? |
| 19:43.39 | \amethyst | g0th: what version of debian is this? |
| 19:43.45 | g0th | debian unstable |
| 19:43.48 | cchanc1 | that shows how much I know |
| 19:44.07 | \amethyst | g0th: do you have udev installed? |
| 19:44.07 | wols | g0th: congratulations, then you get to solve your own problems |
| 19:44.11 | g0th | yes |
| 19:44.14 | Ace2016 | you have a 64bit system with 128mb of ram? |
| 19:44.15 | g0th | wols: hmm? |
| 19:44.19 | Idan2 | is there any tool in debain allowing me to view ,or more correctly find out, on which dir/file (/rc#.d/) some file is auto loaded after reboot ? |
| 19:44.20 | wols | !unstable |
| 19:44.20 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
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| 19:44.38 | g0th | wols: do I need to downgrade to etch to get answers? ^^ |
| 19:44.41 | wols | Idan2: ls and less are all you need |
| 19:44.41 | \amethyst | g0th: what did you upgrade to unstable from? |
| 19:44.53 | g0th | a very old unstable version |
| 19:45.10 | lgc__ | What's the regexp to zap all lines containing any number of spaces and nothing else on vi? Thanks. |
| 19:45.11 | streuner | wols: we all know that sid isnt supported here, but it would be fine to solve that problem, wouldn't it? ;-) |
| 19:45.12 | wols | Idan2: perhaps grep too to make it easier |
| 19:45.12 | g0th | it had a 2.6.3 kernel dunno when it was though |
| 19:45.14 | \amethyst | g0th: what does mount | grep devpts say? |
| 19:45.25 | Ace2016 | wols: isn't that what aptitude safe-upgrade is for? to stop everything breaking |
| 19:45.42 | wols | Ace2016: unstable breaks. always. there is no "safe" |
| 19:45.48 | g0th | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 19:45.57 | Ace2016 | i use unstable now, its working fine |
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| 19:46.11 | g0th | unstable is really stable |
| 19:46.19 | g0th | debian just has the termed switched *g* |
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| 19:46.22 | streuner | Ace2016: yes, but sometimes it give you many headaches ... |
| 19:46.22 | Ace2016 | yea |
| 19:46.24 | g0th | debian unstable = stable |
| 19:46.32 | g0th | debian testing = very stable |
| 19:46.33 | \amethyst | err, software in unstable changes on a daily basis |
| 19:46.36 | streuner | we see that actually :-/ |
| 19:46.37 | g0th | debian stable = extremely stable |
| 19:46.41 | \amethyst | that hardly qualifies as "stable" |
| 19:46.45 | Idan2 | ok, will try. thx for tip guys |
| 19:46.48 | Tramp | g0th: what are the permissions of /dev/ptmx? |
| 19:47.05 | g0th | crw-rw---- |
| 19:47.08 | g0th | root.root |
| 19:47.12 | \amethyst | g0th: there's your problem |
| 19:47.16 | Tramp | g0th: see. |
| 19:47.18 | g0th | ok |
| 19:47.23 | g0th | they should be rw for all? |
| 19:47.30 | Tramp | yes. |
| 19:47.37 | \amethyst | g0th: yes... what versions of makedev and udev do you have? |
| 19:47.48 | g0th | the latest I guess, second |
| 19:48.00 | streuner | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 2007-10-19 21:47 /dev/ptmx |
| 19:48.13 | g0th | ohh |
| 19:48.21 | g0th | wow it installed experimental makedev |
| 19:48.23 | g0th | sorry guys |
| 19:48.27 | \amethyst | g0th: Actually |
| 19:48.32 | \amethyst | g0th: one more thing to check |
| 19:48.37 | streuner | !\amethyst++ |
| 19:48.43 | \amethyst | g0th: grep ptmx /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 19:48.46 | g0th | it's clear that I dont expect support for experimental, I think I forgot to set the priorities right for distro |
| 19:48.52 | g0th | there it is 0666 |
| 19:48.58 | g0th | in permissions.rules |
| 19:49.00 | \amethyst | okay, it's makedev probably :) |
| 19:49.26 | g0th | btw the last few questions of you guys really helped :) |
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| 19:49.37 | jack099 | hi |
| 19:49.38 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone have a 2.6.23 kconfig? |
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| 19:50.03 | g0th | (permissions.rules is loaded at the end) |
| 19:50.04 | HardDisk_WP | for a core2duo t7520 processor, 32bit |
| 19:50.06 | Ace2016 | whats kconfig? |
| 19:50.09 | g0th | I added it manually to rules.d |
| 19:50.12 | HardDisk_WP | kernel config |
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| 19:50.33 | Ace2016 | i imported the one in /boot and did a make oldconfig |
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| 19:51.09 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: You can build a 64 bit one very easily these days (for a 32 bit userland) |
| 19:51.33 | Ace2016 | but whats the point? |
| 19:51.35 | HardDisk_WP | just noob question, does 64 bit give me any advantages? |
| 19:51.47 | HardDisk_WP | Ace2016, point is the intel wireless driver |
| 19:51.54 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: I have 4gb ram |
| 19:52.02 | \amethyst | g0th: btw, that experimental makedev is still four years old :) |
| 19:52.13 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: 500MB is wasted otherwise or I would have to use pae |
| 19:52.27 | g0th | hmm |
| 19:52.35 | g0th | is there an easy command to downgrade all packages to unstable? |
| 19:52.37 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: You could build a 64 bit openssl for example if you wanted |
| 19:52.39 | g0th | from experimental |
| 19:52.45 | \amethyst | g0th: but the last changelog entry says "very little works other than the new 'debootstrap' target" :) |
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| 19:53.03 | techouse | omg! how slow is this apt-get upgrade thing?! |
| 19:53.11 | techouse | 13.5 KB/s?! |
| 19:53.12 | Max_- | I get an error "The swap partition that was found in uswsusp's configuration file is not active..." it asks me to continue with no valid swap... The fact is I just refreshed my 1gb swap partition as I set the ext3 for /... everything looked fine when I formatted... well... huh!??! |
| 19:53.15 | Ace2016 | oh, so anything useful for someone with 2gb of ram to use a 64bit kernel? |
| 19:53.15 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, k...but I have only 2gb installed...would it give me some advantage with that little ram? |
| 19:53.22 | g0th | \amethyst: hmm so maybe apt didn't update my "original" experimental packages |
| 19:53.33 | streuner | techouse: thats fast with dialup :-) |
| 19:53.36 | HardDisk_WP | techouse, get a faster connection or choose another mirror |
| 19:53.42 | techouse | i got adsl |
| 19:53.44 | \amethyst | g0th: There hasn't been an unstable release in even longer :) |
| 19:53.46 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: NX bit (you can only use that with 64 bit kernel or pae but pae has other disadvantages |
| 19:53.54 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 19:53.58 | g0th | I just use dist=unstable |
| 19:54.03 | techouse | Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4 [16.5MB] |
| 19:54.04 | \amethyst | g0th: get the list of experimental packages you have, then apt-get install packagename/unstable |
| 19:54.05 | g0th | not a specific "release" |
| 19:54.07 | techouse | i'm getting this |
| 19:54.08 | Ace2016 | lol me and HardDisk_WP seem to be asking the same questions |
| 19:54.16 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: Not sure how it works with regards to registers (the 64 bit one can access all 16) |
| 19:54.18 | g0th | hmm no way to do all at once? |
| 19:54.19 | g0th | ok |
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| 19:54.30 | \amethyst | g0th: yes, get the list and put them all on the same command line |
| 19:54.32 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: but possibly only for 64 bit apps |
| 19:54.39 | g0th | scripting bah ;) |
| 19:54.44 | techouse | @max_: i got the same error when i made a custom swap size |
| 19:54.50 | techouse | i just said no |
| 19:54.54 | techouse | and it fixed it |
| 19:55.03 | techouse | (i think) |
| 19:56.19 | h3sp4wn | g0th: You can try apt-show-versions that might tell where everything is from |
| 19:56.33 | h3sp4wn | g0th: did you pin those things from experimental at the time |
| 19:56.48 | g0th | what do you mean? |
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| 19:56.56 | g0th | I forgot what I did back then |
| 19:57.02 | g0th | I will just put everything to unstable now |
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| 19:57.16 | streuner | techouse: use a mirror |
| 19:57.24 | h3sp4wn | g0th: You would know what you did |
| 19:57.36 | g0th | if I knew I would yes |
| 19:57.36 | h3sp4wn | (if you did - well I would) |
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| 19:58.00 | h3sp4wn | so probably you did not |
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| 20:00.02 | \amethyst | g0th: aptitude install $(aptitude search ~i~Aexperimental -F%p | sed 's, *$,/unstable') |
| 20:00.19 | g0th | it's ok I already did everything manually |
| 20:00.25 | g0th | it was not about too many packages |
| 20:00.27 | g0th | just about 10 |
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| 20:01.24 | [M4rk0] | Hi, I have pptpd installed, how to enable internet sharing with clients? |
| 20:01.26 | g0th | h3sp4wn: "pin from experimental" means I forcefully selected the unstable dist? |
| 20:01.42 | g0th | then yes, probably I did that |
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| 20:02.55 | h3sp4wn | g0th: Look at man apt_preferences |
| 20:03.12 | g0th | I set the priority of experimental accordingly |
| 20:03.25 | g0th | so it isn't choosen by default |
| 20:03.37 | h3sp4wn | by default it is priority 1 |
| 20:03.41 | \amethyst | g0th: I got that wrong anyway |
| 20:04.21 | g0th | hmm higher means it is choosen first? |
| 20:04.25 | h3sp4wn | yep |
| 20:04.26 | g0th | oeh |
| 20:04.31 | g0th | lower or higher? |
| 20:04.38 | g0th | priority 1 is low for me |
| 20:04.41 | g0th | so lower means first? |
| 20:04.50 | g0th | well arg |
| 20:04.52 | stew | g0th: man apt_preferences |
| 20:05.03 | g0th | actually usually low number means high priority anyway |
| 20:05.14 | streuner | dont use pinning |
| 20:05.14 | h3sp4wn | APT::Default-Release "unstable"; is what I use (which gives it 990) |
| 20:05.15 | apt | okay, h3sp4wn |
| 20:05.18 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 20:05.18 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 20:05.18 | [M4rk0] | anyone? |
| 20:05.26 | alaya | fscking mutt |
| 20:05.38 | alaya | esc-e to resend message is not working |
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| 20:05.59 | stew | g0th: no, its not necessarily low number means high prioroty |
| 20:06.24 | alaya | shift-zz to send does not send |
| 20:06.29 | stew | g0th: in fact its generally higher numbers are higher priority |
| 20:06.31 | g0th | I said usually |
| 20:06.35 | techouse | how to set iceweasel as the default browser? |
| 20:06.36 | g0th | I mean nice |
| 20:06.40 | g0th | nice -10 |
| 20:06.41 | \amethyst | techouse: in gnome? |
| 20:06.43 | techouse | kde |
| 20:06.49 | g0th | it means it gets higher priority kind of |
| 20:07.01 | \amethyst | maybe someone who uses KDE can answer |
| 20:07.01 | Max_- | What are the standard inodes??? |
| 20:07.08 | \amethyst | Max_-: standard inodes? |
| 20:07.14 | \amethyst | Max_-: context? |
| 20:07.16 | Max_- | sizes |
| 20:07.23 | \amethyst | Max_-: depends on the filesystem |
| 20:07.27 | techouse | when i try the same way as in windows it doesn't do nothing |
| 20:07.29 | profanephobia | know anything about tethering a blackberry pearl? |
| 20:07.30 | Max_- | im installing... there are standard, news, bigfiles, bigfiles4 |
| 20:07.35 | Max_- | ext3 |
| 20:07.37 | techouse | unless it has to be run as sudo |
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| 20:07.44 | \amethyst | Max_-: those aren't the inode sizes, they're the inode frequencies |
| 20:07.45 | techouse | hmmm... |
| 20:07.51 | g0th | so for apt I guess high priority means high number? |
| 20:07.58 | [M4rk0] | Hi, I have pptpd installed and working, how to enable/route internet sharing with clients? |
| 20:08.01 | Max_- | yeah, didn't take the good word |
| 20:08.03 | Max_- | sorry |
| 20:08.06 | \amethyst | Max_-: you probably want standard unless it's a really really really big disk that's going to have a lot of big files |
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| 20:08.32 | Max_- | maybe... |
| 20:08.36 | Max_- | it's for desktop use |
| 20:08.42 | databuddy | anyone tried compiling compiz-fusion via git? |
| 20:08.42 | \amethyst | Max_-: how big a disk? |
| 20:08.42 | Max_- | office use |
| 20:08.48 | Max_- | 100gb |
| 20:08.59 | stew | techouse: for many applications in kde you won't be able to get it to use anything but konqueror, generally becuase "KApp::invokeBrowser" will use konqueror |
| 20:09.02 | Max_- | well.. formatted to 67 in fact |
| 20:09.02 | oDesk | how i add allowed host to mysql ? so i can connect remotely ? |
| 20:09.06 | oDesk | on Etch! |
| 20:09.07 | \amethyst | Max_-: then you want standard |
| 20:09.09 | Max_- | err, partitionned |
| 20:09.15 | Max_- | okay, trying this,thanks |
| 20:09.19 | stew | techouse: but check "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
| 20:09.19 | techouse | :( |
| 20:09.24 | \amethyst | Max_-: largefile is one inode per megabyte, and 67K inodes is cutting it close |
| 20:09.27 | techouse | ok |
| 20:09.50 | techouse | well.....gnome makes me puke |
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| 20:09.56 | \amethyst | err, "small" I guess, not "standard" |
| 20:09.59 | streuner | Guerin: fuck, i saw 2 ticket for semi-finale France - England and i thought its over... ;-) |
| 20:10.01 | techouse | but i love kde |
| 20:10.03 | techouse | so.... |
| 20:10.04 | dkr | techouse: racist |
| 20:10.04 | techouse | :) |
| 20:10.05 | Max_- | I agree, just wondered between standard and news |
| 20:10.11 | techouse | hehehehe |
| 20:10.23 | \amethyst | dkr: hey, they're taking them out of fourth edition, so he's not the only one :) |
| 20:10.31 | dkr | \amethyst: heh |
| 20:10.52 | profanephobia | know anything about tethering a blackberry pearl? |
| 20:11.29 | dkr | what is "tethering"? synchronizing data on it via usb? |
| 20:11.45 | profanephobia | using phone as a modem |
| 20:11.52 | profanephobia | to connect to GPRS network |
| 20:12.04 | dkr | ah |
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| 20:13.06 | dkr | my company pays for bb with unlimited data connection, maybe I should figure out how to do that, too. :) |
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| 20:13.35 | Ace2016 | so you can download as much as you want? |
| 20:13.38 | dkr | using web via their servers is painfully slow, though |
| 20:13.59 | g0th | all right I downgraded all packages to unstable and rebooted |
| 20:14.39 | g0th | though /dev/ptmx is still crw-rw---- root.root |
| 20:15.21 | Max_- | Should I have any preference on the kernel image linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 or linux-image-2.6-686? |
| 20:15.28 | stew | g0th: what does "grep ptmx /etc/udev/permissions.rules" return? |
| 20:15.59 | g0th | 0666 group root |
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| 20:16.16 | g0th | KERNEL=="ptmx", MODE="0666", GROUP="root" |
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| 20:16.25 | profanephobia | dkr, thats what i have too...tethering isnt easy lol |
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| 20:17.03 | profanephobia | dkr agreed but a slow connection is better than no connection |
| 20:17.04 | g0th | rules.d contains a symlink z70_permissions.rules to ../permissions.rules which I put in rules.d manually |
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| 20:17.50 | stew | g0th: does "grep ptmx /etc/udev/rules.d/*" return anything that might be overriding this setting? |
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| 20:18.06 | g0th | not really just one entry |
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| 20:18.32 | g0th | run.rules: KERNEL=="ptmx", OPTIONS+="last_rule" |
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| 20:19.05 | itchi | Debian is evil, Desktop environment and standard system == 666 packages to install |
| 20:19.32 | g0th | ^ |
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| 20:20.11 | stew | g0th: i dunno, what are the permissions on /dev/.static/dev/ptmx? |
| 20:20.29 | g0th | they are ok |
| 20:20.38 | g0th | crw-rw-rw root.tty |
| 20:20.46 | streuner | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 2007-10-19 21:47 /dev/ptmx |
| 20:21.10 | holycow | hey guys, i have a debian workstation being used publicly under supervision. |
| 20:21.26 | holycow | no particular effort beyond default settings was configured to track browsing history |
| 20:21.43 | holycow | are there any logs or things i should look into to see if a browsing history can be recovered? |
| 20:21.48 | g0th | what is /dev/.static ? |
| 20:21.51 | guillaume | NetworkManager: <info> Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported. How to fix this message in syslog ? |
| 20:22.09 | stew | g0th: the real /dev, the static one that you would have if you were not using udev to manage /dev for you |
| 20:22.18 | stew | g0th: check the bts on udev if you haven't already |
| 20:22.25 | gumpish | =/ so where's lame? |
| 20:22.26 | g0th | bts? |
| 20:22.30 | \amethyst | !lame |
| 20:22.31 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:22.47 | gumpish | groovy. |
| 20:22.52 | g0th | the only abbreviation that comes to my mind is "bytes" |
| 20:23.02 | \amethyst | !bts |
| 20:23.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:23.08 | g0th | ahh |
| 20:23.13 | g0th | ^^ |
| 20:23.57 | holycow | i mean outside of mozilla history |
| 20:24.39 | \amethyst | g0th: what is the link to ../permissions.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 20:25.12 | g0th | what do you mean "what is the link" ? |
| 20:25.20 | stew | he said 070 |
| 20:25.26 | g0th | ahh |
| 20:25.28 | stew | g0th: on mine its the first one, 010 |
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| 20:25.31 | g0th | I made that myself |
| 20:25.32 | stew | err 020 |
| 20:25.43 | g0th | z70_permissions.rules |
| 20:25.52 | \amethyst | g0th: that comes after z50_run.rules |
| 20:26.01 | g0th | so I should put it before? |
| 20:26.09 | \amethyst | g0th: which has KERNEL=="ptmx", OPTIONS+="last_rule" |
| 20:26.10 | g0th | z49? |
| 20:26.10 | \amethyst | g0th: yes |
| 20:26.13 | \amethyst | g0th: 020 |
| 20:26.16 | g0th | ok |
| 20:26.17 | g0th | thanks |
| 20:26.28 | g0th | z20? |
| 20:26.30 | g0th | kk |
| 20:26.47 | streuner | How did you manage to fuck your whole system? |
| 20:26.54 | g0th | ok good |
| 20:26.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Around? |
| 20:26.57 | g0th | now it works :) |
| 20:26.59 | g0th | thanks a lot guys |
| 20:27.12 | g0th | well I mean at least the permissions |
| 20:27.13 | \amethyst | g0th: 020, not z20, though that won't matter as much |
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| 20:27.29 | g0th | all other files are z??_ |
| 20:27.30 | hypn0tek | I've changed my iptables roules, and after that I've done -F n -X to erase them, the internet connexion is ok now, but I can't connect with aMsn |
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| 20:27.50 | \amethyst | g0th: look in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:27.56 | roldyx__ | in bash is it correct "if [ $? ] then; |
| 20:28.01 | [M4rk0] | Hi, I have pptpd installed and working, how to enable/route internet sharing with clients? |
| 20:28.02 | hypn0tek | Trying to stop the service iptables.. I can't find it in the /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:28.04 | g0th | yeeee: xterm works! |
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| 20:28.09 | \amethyst | roldyx__: no |
| 20:28.33 | \amethyst | roldyx__: that is testing whether $? is empty or not, but it will never be empty |
| 20:28.44 | g0th | ahh I see |
| 20:28.53 | g0th | 020: the default permissions and owners are set |
| 20:29.19 | roldyx__ | \amethyst: and then?? |
| 20:29.25 | hypn0tek | so if anyone have an idea of what should I do now.. |
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| 20:30.04 | \amethyst | roldyx__: are you doing something like somecommand; if [ $? ]; then ... ? |
| 20:30.16 | Max_- | I have winxp installed on a HD and I'm installing deb on a second HD... it doesn't matter if I install grub on the MBR if it's not on the same disk as win, right? |
| 20:30.32 | roldyx__ | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:30.32 | \amethyst | roldyx__: you want to execute the conditional if the command succeeded or if it failed? |
| 20:30.38 | roldyx__ | yes |
| 20:30.42 | \amethyst | roldyx__: which? |
| 20:30.42 | madclicker | how can i install kvm on etch ? |
| 20:30.46 | roldyx__ | ping |
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| 20:31.06 | guillaume | got bugs with gospanels on lenny too since update of gnome : OAFIID:GNOME_GeyesApplet ... Everyday is a begining under lenny :) |
| 20:31.07 | \amethyst | roldyx__: I mean, success, or failure? |
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| 20:31.31 | chops | !tell guillaume about bts |
| 20:31.32 | dalias | roldyx__, any code based on if...$? is bogus |
| 20:31.37 | dalias | just put the command itself after the if |
| 20:31.53 | \amethyst | roldyx__: if command; then ....; fi if you want it to run on success |
| 20:31.58 | \amethyst | roldyx__: if ! command; then ....; fi if you want it to run on failure |
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| 20:32.34 | dalias | ! is bashism afaik, not standard sh |
| 20:32.41 | dalias | instead use the else clause |
| 20:32.50 | g0th | hmm another question: if I want to use my usb mouse in xorg, it "should" work if I simply but imps/2 and /dev/input/mice? |
| 20:32.53 | hsn_ | where can i get sample sources.list for Debian4? |
| 20:33.39 | wols | !tell hsn_ about sources.list |
| 20:33.57 | roldyx__ | thanks you |
| 20:34.01 | stew | roldyx__: also note it should be "if [ something ]; then" not "if [ something ] then;" |
| 20:35.02 | wols | Max_-: you need to install grub into the MBR of the disk your BIOS boots from. usually this means the first disk |
| 20:35.11 | wols | Max_-: even if only windows is on that disk |
| 20:35.49 | techouse | how do i put X-chat minimized into the tray? |
| 20:36.04 | techouse | you know like in kubuntu |
| 20:36.10 | techouse | or like kopete in debian |
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| 20:38.59 | fiddles | does teh gdm and x11-common scripts start session managers? |
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| 20:40.27 | Throat | ? |
| 20:40.54 | fiddles | the scripts in init.d |
| 20:41.03 | fiddles | im having multiple sessions managers start |
| 20:41.04 | Throat | gdm *is* a display manager? |
| 20:41.11 | fiddles | and its giving me problems |
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| 20:41.29 | fiddles | ahh yes it is gdm |
| 20:41.53 | Throat | if multiple are installed, only one will be started |
| 20:42.24 | Throat | the one in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 20:43.02 | fiddles | well gdm is trying to start |
| 20:43.07 | fiddles | but i have two scripts in init.d |
| 20:43.13 | fiddles | starting two diff disply managers |
| 20:44.03 | fiddles | i jsut removed teh gmd script |
| 20:44.47 | hsn_ | can AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+ run 64bit debian? |
| 20:44.48 | Throat | the scripts look in /etc/X11/default-display-manager, only the one listed there should start |
| 20:45.46 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone have a 2.6.23 kconfig? |
| 20:46.06 | HardDisk_WP | hsn_, debian can run 64bit...dunno if your processor is, but i think its 32bit |
| 20:46.09 | h3sp4wn | hsn_: depends which exact version |
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| 20:46.56 | hsn_ | version of processor? |
| 20:47.32 | h3sp4wn | yep some semprons are 64 bit some are 32 bit |
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| 20:49.16 | Throat | see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sempron and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Sempron_microprocessors |
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| 20:49.30 | hsn_ | http://paste.debian.net/40169 |
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| 20:51.42 | wols | hsn_: yours can |
| 20:51.54 | hsn_ | thank you! |
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| 20:52.22 | Throat | wols: from what could you tell? |
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| 20:53.00 | wols | several reasons: model id, frequency+naming, cache size, pni and nx, etc |
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| 20:55.15 | Throat | doesnt seem very obvious to me.... what are pni and nx |
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| 20:56.34 | Throat | 1800 MHz is surprisingly low for a 3100+ |
| 20:56.49 | dalias | heh i love the bogus numbers they use for cpus now |
| 20:56.54 | dalias | wtf is 3100 supposed to mean? |
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| 20:57.25 | fiddles | hey is there a way to find out what version firmware my wlan card is running? |
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| 20:57.53 | no3sc | how do I know what softwares I have installed? |
| 20:58.03 | no3sc | Or how do I get to know it rather |
| 20:58.21 | jelly | dalias: what about 4800+ then :-) |
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| 21:01.11 | stray | no3sc: check out dpkg -l (check the man page though) |
| 21:01.22 | no3sc | ok thanks |
| 21:02.00 | stray | there's -s and maybe -I you'll want to try out too. |
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| 21:04.12 | Solet | why does ipmasq install with so many rule and deffinition files and yet the example sets that are installed only have a few. |
| 21:04.17 | DustyDingo | can i reopen a local html file in firefox from command line? |
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| 21:04.34 | DustyDingo | firefox foo.html allways opens a new tab everytime i open the page |
| 21:04.47 | DustyDingo | s/opens/creates |
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| 21:05.31 | dalias | maybe use file:///absolute/path/to/foo.html |
| 21:05.38 | profanephobia | im going nuts |
| 21:05.40 | profanephobia | i just cant figure this out |
| 21:05.42 | stew | DustyDingo: man firefox |
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| 21:06.20 | stew | DustyDingo: oh, you mean reuse the current tab? |
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| 21:06.43 | DustyDingo | stew: yes |
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| 21:06.59 | stew | dunno if that is possible |
| 21:07.04 | stew | creating a new window is |
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| 21:07.29 | profanephobia | k im losing my mind |
| 21:07.31 | profanephobia | going crazy |
| 21:08.07 | Ace2016 | whats wrong? |
| 21:08.08 | DustyDingo | i have an ant target which runs unit tests and creates a report in html format which is then opened in firefox, so a new tab everytime i run ant is not optimal |
| 21:08.29 | profanephobia | Ace2016, ive been trying to figure out this tethering |
| 21:08.33 | Ace2016 | use opera, you can tell it to reuse current tab |
| 21:08.49 | Ace2016 | tethering? |
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| 21:08.57 | Haris | Hello people |
| 21:09.10 | profanephobia | Ace2016, using my blackberry as a modem to connect to a gprs network |
| 21:09.12 | Ace2016 | Hello |
| 21:09.13 | Haris | what's the difference between /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog? |
| 21:09.40 | stew | Haris: look at /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:09.42 | stew | err |
| 21:09.46 | Ace2016 | profanephobia: no idea |
| 21:09.57 | Haris | syslog.cond |
| 21:09.58 | stew | Haris: look at/etc/syslog.conf |
| 21:10.00 | Haris | conf+ |
| 21:10.34 | DustyDingo | dalias: using the absolut path may could work, but it doesn't in my case |
| 21:11.21 | Haris | why has auth,authpriv been configured to go to multiple files? |
| 21:11.23 | DustyDingo | though i don't have to 'reuse the tab' it would be enough i can force firefox to reload the current page |
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| 21:11.30 | Haris | out of the box, that is |
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| 21:13.08 | profanephobia | Ace2016, no worries nobody has been able to help me |
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| 21:13.54 | Haris | profanephobia: Call your cell company callcenter/helpdesk |
| 21:14.11 | profanephobia | Haris, they dont know |
| 21:14.20 | profanephobia | Haris, they dont support linux |
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| 21:14.29 | jelly | !backports key |
| 21:14.29 | dpkg | [backports key] ask me about <apt-key 16BA136C> |
| 21:15.18 | SlackRat | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 21:15.18 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 21:19.16 | ManuP | echo $(iwconfig | grep eth1) gives me first two lines but they arnt containing the eth1 |
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| 21:19.42 | stew | uuoe? |
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| 21:20.48 | stew | ManuP: can you just put the output of iwconfig into a pastebin? |
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| 21:20.58 | bucketfan99 | hi |
| 21:21.10 | bucketfan99 | anyone have a sid machine they could tell me what hteir sources.list says that isn't "testing" |
| 21:21.16 | bucketfan99 | i need to upgrade inside of sid before going to testing i guess :( |
| 21:21.24 | stew | bucketfan99: that doesn't make any sense |
| 21:21.46 | bucketfan99 | oh. well. i tried to dist-upgrade from sid to tesitng, and it won't upgrade this one package because of an overlap |
| 21:21.48 | Orion_X11 | !yelp |
| 21:21.50 | \amethyst | bucketfan99: sid is bigger than testing |
| 21:21.51 | ManuP | lo no wireless extensions.\n eth0 no wireless extensions. \n eth1 radio off ESSID:off/any |
| 21:21.54 | Coweater | you can't go from sid to testing |
| 21:21.56 | bucketfan99 | oh. |
| 21:22.07 | bucketfan99 | testing isn't the newest ? |
| 21:22.07 | ManuP | stew, its not so much... so i think it is okay to paste it here |
| 21:22.19 | \amethyst | bucketfan99: sid is always the newest (but experimental) |
| 21:22.24 | bucketfan99 | Ohh noo |
| 21:22.29 | Hoxzer | lol |
| 21:22.32 | stew | bucketfan99: pacakges enter testing AFTER they have been in sid for some time, so pacakges in testing are not newer than pacakges in sid |
| 21:22.35 | bucketfan99 | i guess that's why my upgrade won't work :( |
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| 21:23.16 | stew | ManuP: please use a pastebin |
| 21:23.16 | bucketfan99 | ok. instead of testing then, what should be in my apt sources.list ? |
| 21:23.16 | bucketfan99 | or where do i find one |
| 21:23.16 | stew | bucketfan99: stable |
| 21:23.20 | stew | bucketfan99: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 21:23.24 | bucketfan99 | ah :) |
| 21:23.41 | stew | bucketfan99: you could put testing in your sources.list and eventually you'll start getting upgrades |
| 21:23.52 | stew | bucketfan99: if you put stable in now, you'd never get upgrades |
| 21:24.04 | ManuP | stew, http://pastebin.ca/742835 |
| 21:24.14 | bucketfan99 | so i am on unstable then ? |
| 21:24.28 | stew | bucketfan99: yes |
| 21:24.33 | stew | ManuP: wait, so what are you trying to do? |
| 21:24.41 | bucketfan99 | that sucks |
| 21:24.53 | ManuP | stew, just want to extract the line with radio off |
| 21:25.16 | stew | ManuP: i don't see such a line |
| 21:25.20 | bucketfan99 | No way whatsoever to go back to testing ? i have 100 testing servesr. |
| 21:25.24 | bucketfan99 | i don't want -1- unstable |
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| 21:25.51 | stew | bucketfan99: both testing and unstable are bad choices for servers. you should reinstall stable |
| 21:26.13 | bucketfan99 | nah man, stable has stuff that is too old. |
| 21:26.19 | stew | bucketfan99: like what? |
| 21:26.20 | bucketfan99 | and i dont think i can get this server re-installed |
| 21:26.27 | bucketfan99 | like it updates 4 years after the rest of the free world |
| 21:26.36 | Nihill | is testing ok to use for desktop use? |
| 21:26.38 | ManuP | stew, the line which starts with eth1. if radio is offf, then there is radio off |
| 21:26.50 | stew | ManuP: iwconfig | grep ^eth1 |
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| 21:27.39 | ManuP | stew, no, doesnt work |
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| 21:27.45 | guillaume | chops: thank you a bug is open and I add my details :) |
| 21:27.48 | stew | ManuP: why not? |
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| 21:27.56 | cchanc1 | how do I unzip a zip file |
| 21:28.05 | stew | cchanc1: unzip /path/to/zipfile |
| 21:28.20 | ManuP | stew, dont know. i get as output also lo... and eth0 ... and filnally eth1... (the line i wanted) |
| 21:28.20 | cchanc1 | I though it was tar something |
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| 21:28.50 | stew | ManuP: iwconfig 2>&1 | grep ^eth1 |
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| 21:29.11 | stew | ManuP: or iwconfig 2>/dev/null | grep ^eth1 |
| 21:29.39 | stew | ManuP: if you are trying to read that into a variable (which i'm guessing since you were uslessly using echo before), then just "a=$(iwconfig | grep eth1)" |
| 21:29.44 | ManuP | iwconfig 2>&1 does it. but why? what am i doing? |
| 21:29.54 | chops | guillaume: np |
| 21:30.18 | stew | ManuP: if are looking at both the output of grep and stderr from iwconfig, so 2>&1 redirects stderr from iwconfig to be merged with stdout, so both go through grep |
| 21:30.28 | stew | ^if^ |
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| 21:31.08 | techouse | are there any faster servers for http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main |
| 21:31.14 | ManuP | stew, okay, i see. and the 2 stands for errors? |
| 21:31.25 | techouse | this one goes 2400B/s |
| 21:31.39 | techouse | any mirrors? |
| 21:31.43 | techouse | help |
| 21:31.56 | stew | ManuP: yes. try "a=$(iwconfig | grep ^eth1)" then "echo $a" |
| 21:31.57 | cchanc1 | How do I find the atributes of a directory |
| 21:32.22 | stew | cchanc1: which attributes? "lsattr /path/to/directory" ? |
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| 21:32.35 | cchanc1 | such as owner permissions etc |
| 21:32.45 | stew | techouse: there are no official mirrors, there is an unofficial mirror at http://ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 21:33.02 | stew | cchanc1: ls -ld /path/tp/directory or stat /path/to/directory |
| 21:33.30 | ManuP | stew, okay, $a has right value but still error msg appear |
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| 21:33.41 | stew | and i guess that should ahve been 'lsattr -d /path/to/driectory" but it wasn't what you wanted anyway |
| 21:33.45 | yassine | how can i install the compiler, linux-header for my running kernel on lenny ? |
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| 21:33.57 | stew | ManuP: right, becuase, since you did nothign with it, it goes to the terminal |
| 21:33.58 | ManuP | stew, i have to forward them with 2>/dev/null to nirvana, havnt i? |
| 21:34.15 | stew | ManuP: maybe you do, maybe you don't, i don't know what your real goal is here |
| 21:34.36 | cchanc1 | rmdir www How can I make that apply to everything inside the folder |
| 21:34.36 | ManuP | stew just a small script. |
| 21:34.42 | stew | yassine: aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:34.45 | ManuP | stew, thanks for your help. |
| 21:34.59 | techouse | i have this in my sources.list deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:34.59 | techouse | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:35.08 | stew | ManuP: i'm guessing you don't need to do anything with stderr then, you can just ignore it |
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| 21:35.28 | ManuP | stew, no, i disturbs to be displayed. |
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| 21:36.50 | ManuP | stew, but i am going to bed... 1134pm here... so bye |
| 21:36.57 | stew | techouse: the ftp.de mirror for security.debian.org is http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 21:37.02 | stew | ManuP: goodnight |
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| 21:37.16 | techouse | aha |
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| 21:37.33 | cchanc1 | ok noob q here how do I delete a directory and everything in it |
| 21:37.41 | stew | cchanc1: rm -r |
| 21:37.48 | stew | cchanc1: please use caution |
| 21:38.01 | techouse | so do i have to remove the old one if i put this one in? |
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| 21:38.26 | cchanc1 | now I used that and it didn't like me before |
| 21:38.37 | stew | techouse: only the first one in the file will actually be used for downloading |
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| 21:38.50 | techouse | why the hell? |
| 21:38.52 | techouse | ok |
| 21:38.54 | techouse | if you say so |
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| 21:39.11 | johnseb | hello all |
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| 21:39.22 | johnseb | have problem with my keyboard |
| 21:39.41 | johnseb | on x login i can type my username + password |
| 21:39.55 | johnseb | but once logged in KDE |
| 21:40.02 | johnseb | can't use it anymore |
| 21:40.14 | techouse | @cchanc1: you could run nautilus or konqueror using sudo and delete the file as well ;) |
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| 21:40.34 | johnseb | i've tried with both a usb and a ps/2 keyboards |
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| 21:40.41 | johnseb | same thing happens |
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| 21:41.14 | techouse | hmm....reconfigure X? |
| 21:41.20 | johnseb | even pressing caps locks doesn't switches the green light on, so it's like the keyboard was dead |
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| 21:41.50 | Leonidas | has anyoune an idea why mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/root/ram0=ro,/root/ram1=rw unionfs union fails? |
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| 21:42.15 | karsten | Is there anything vaguely like the "WebStart" feature from RHEL's Java under Debian? |
| 21:42.25 | karsten | ... or in general, how do you run a JSP? |
| 21:42.28 | Leonidas | I want to create an unionfs that consists of a readonly and one rw part |
| 21:42.49 | Leonidas | but I'm getting unionfs_read_super: error while parsing options (err = -22) |
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| 21:43.35 | marinosi | anybody managed to install nvidia driver in amd64?although nvidia module is loaded I get:(II) LoadModule: "nvidia" |
| 21:43.38 | marinosi | (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia |
| 21:43.44 | johnseb | techouse: i dunno, just tried to launch it in "failsafe" mode and it works |
| 21:43.49 | johnseb | must be related to KDE somehow |
| 21:44.20 | hypn0tek | hi all, I've a problem with aMsn n Gaim, I n The probel is coming from iptables, I've changed iptables yesterday n since that Time there is a problem |
| 21:44.24 | chops | !tell marinosi about nvidia |
| 21:45.34 | techouse | if you made a .bak o xorg.conf it would come in hand right now ;) |
| 21:46.00 | techouse | cause all this looks like an X error |
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| 21:47.12 | johnseb | techouse ok i have one |
| 21:47.25 | techouse | replace it |
| 21:47.28 | techouse | and restart X |
| 21:47.46 | techouse | or better rewrite it |
| 21:48.01 | techouse | so you wont' have to stop kdm or gtk |
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| 21:50.16 | techouse | ok....one question....why is the file stransfer in kopete so damn slow? |
| 21:50.21 | techouse | any explanation? |
| 21:50.31 | techouse | i mean kopete using MSN |
| 21:50.41 | thrashyy | Could someone put their sources.list on paste bin? (prefrably uk/eur) would really appreciate it :) |
| 21:50.54 | techouse | something about Micro$oft not liking linux? |
| 21:52.00 | stew | thrashyy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:52.52 | techouse | probably etch |
| 21:53.14 | thrashyy | Yes I'm running etch |
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| 21:53.22 | thrashyy | 4.0 |
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| 21:53.59 | stew | thrashyy: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 21:54.05 | stew | thrashyy: use uk as your cc |
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| 21:54.58 | thrashyy | Ah ok thanks stew |
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| 21:55.33 | techouse | well....for me .de still connects the fastest, even thought i'm from Slovenia |
| 21:55.38 | techouse | don't know why |
| 21:56.15 | johnseb | techouse ok but... sorry i'm really not a pro ... how should i configure my keyboard? |
| 21:56.26 | stew | johnseb: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 21:56.35 | techouse | leave it default |
| 21:56.45 | techouse | if the default worked for you in failsafe |
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| 21:57.31 | jabka | how should i inisate fsck check on the / parttion ? |
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| 21:57.53 | johnseb | stew, not really a keymapping problem, the keyboard merely doesn't answers |
| 21:58.03 | johnseb | techouse, hmmm default? |
| 21:58.07 | johnseb | ok |
| 21:58.11 | johnseb | i tried my backup |
| 21:58.15 | johnseb | it doesn't work |
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| 21:58.23 | techouse | hmmm |
| 21:58.30 | cchanc1 | When a package is downloaded where does debian store it? |
| 21:58.31 | johnseb | so where do i find the xorg.conf that was used in failsafe |
| 21:58.33 | johnseb | ? |
| 21:58.34 | stew | johnseb: it doens't work in x? or console? neither? |
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| 21:58.45 | stew | what is failsafe? |
| 21:58.46 | johnseb | stew, it works in console and at loggin |
| 21:58.47 | cchanc1 | And how can I burn a disk of the packages I've downloaded |
| 21:59.00 | johnseb | but not once kde is launched ie. once i'm logged in |
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| 22:00.36 | cchanc1 | :-/ |
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| 22:00.49 | thrashyy | I'm having some trouble adding a 2nd harddrive, apparently i need to run "fdisk -1" to check if the drive is detected by debian but it says command not found. I try to install fdisk but the package cannot be found, can anyone help? |
| 22:00.52 | cchanc1 | I guess their ships changed |
| 22:00.56 | cchanc1 | shifts* |
| 22:01.19 | stew | thrashyy: run "fdisk -l" (not fdisk -1) and run it as root, not as a regular user |
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| 22:02.28 | thrashyy | Ah right, that worked thanks |
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| 22:02.40 | nameless | it's possible to install nvidia driver by module-assistant ? |
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| 22:03.14 | wols | nameless: yes |
| 22:03.26 | stew | johnseb: is xserver-xorg-input-kbd installed? |
| 22:03.34 | nameless | m-a prepare and m-a a-i nvidia ? |
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| 22:03.56 | cchanc1 | When a package is downloaded where does debian store it? |
| 22:04.09 | stew | cchanc1: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:04.18 | psychonate | nameless, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:04.18 | johnseb | stew, yes it is |
| 22:04.52 | johnseb | stew, as i said to techouse, at the login screen if i choose to log in "failsafe" mode my keyboard works |
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| 22:05.06 | stew | oh |
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| 22:05.13 | stew | so it must be some kind of gnome problem |
| 22:05.13 | wols | nameless: what kernel do you run? |
| 22:05.21 | johnseb | stew, kde |
| 22:05.41 | nameless | 2.6.22 |
| 22:05.53 | nameless | 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 22:06.34 | cwraig | hi all, how do i run a command at boot time on debian. i have to start a SVN daemon is there an easy way to do this |
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| 22:07.28 | E-bola | via crontab cwraig |
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| 22:08.00 | cwraig | E-bola, isnt that for scheduling (eg run this at 3pm each day) |
| 22:08.22 | stew | cwraig: an sshd isn't being started for you already? |
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| 22:08.46 | johnseb | stew if i look in kdm.log |
| 22:09.05 | cwraig | stew, SVN (subversion) not ssh sorry |
| 22:09.07 | johnseb | i get a message BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5044, got 5048 |
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| 22:09.36 | yiga1 | does anyone know how to get sound working with 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 055c (rev a1) |
| 22:09.41 | atlfalcons866 | how can i use ntfs |
| 22:10.08 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 22:10.08 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 22:10.39 | wols | yiga1: snd-hda-intel, and it might not work |
| 22:10.49 | abrotman | and update-pciids |
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| 22:10.54 | atlfalcons866 | to install debian onto |
| 22:11.03 | yiga1 | wols: I put it in /etc/modules with no effect :( |
| 22:11.04 | wols | atlfalcons866: not possible |
| 22:11.04 | abrotman | you want to install debian on ntfs ? |
| 22:11.14 | Nihill | lol why? |
| 22:11.17 | atlfalcons866 | what about fat |
| 22:11.18 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: if it doesn't try a newer alsa-driver (use alsa-source) |
| 22:11.25 | wols | not possible anymore either |
| 22:11.34 | wols | might still work with UMSDOS but it's iffy |
| 22:11.38 | wols | !umsdos |
| 22:11.38 | dpkg | a linux partition that fits over top of ms-dos, without destroying your ms-0dos/win filesystem. read the umdos-howto. good for testing linux or having a small distro on a small hd running dos if you don't want to delete all your parnd |
| 22:11.48 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: ok |
| 22:12.01 | atlfalcons866 | then what fs should i use |
| 22:12.06 | wols | ext3 |
| 22:12.06 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: http://openwrt.vcp-springe.de/experimental/h3sp4wn/alsa-source_1.0.15-0_all.deb (try that if you cannot be bothered to do it yourself) |
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| 22:12.17 | h3sp4wn | I did it a few days ago and its what I am using |
| 22:12.21 | atlfalcons866 | ext3 is slow resiser is a joke |
| 22:12.34 | stiv2k | hey how safe is it writing to ntfs? |
| 22:12.48 | atlfalcons866 | !jfs |
| 22:12.49 | dpkg | i heard jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
| 22:12.50 | atlfalcons866 | !xfs |
| 22:12.50 | dpkg | xfs is probably the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
| 22:13.13 | atlfalcons866 | !zfs |
| 22:13.13 | dpkg | from memory, zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 22:13.17 | stiv2k | !ntfs |
| 22:13.17 | dpkg | i guess ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 22:13.18 | sep | atlfalcons866, ext3 have safe and slow defaults. you are free to use faster options. |
| 22:13.21 | wols | atlfalcons866: since you obviously don't know much about filesystems, you should use ext3 |
| 22:13.32 | sep | atlfalcons866, i recomend ext3 |
| 22:13.32 | atlfalcons866 | i know about ext3 |
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| 22:13.36 | wols | atlfalcons866: and please stop abusing the bot. /msg dpkg <topic> instead |
| 22:13.36 | stiv2k | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:13.36 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport at http://www.backports.org/. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 22:13.36 | dalias | "slow" is rather misleading |
| 22:13.54 | dalias | ext3 is what you should use unless you have an _extremely_ good reason to do otherwise |
| 22:13.54 | stiv2k | is the NTFS-3g write support *safe* ? |
| 22:14.00 | h3sp4wn | ext3 doesn't have extents which may or may not be an issue for you |
| 22:14.08 | dalias | btw |
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| 22:14.14 | atlfalcons866 | how can i change the jorunal options in ext3 |
| 22:14.16 | dalias | any news on hans' murder trial? |
| 22:14.23 | jelly | stiv2k: best to read their online docs and stick to the newest version available |
| 22:14.29 | dalias | atlfalcons866, man tune2fs |
| 22:14.38 | atlfalcons866 | ok |
| 22:14.43 | atlfalcons866 | !extents |
| 22:14.56 | wols | !botabuse |
| 22:14.57 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:15.02 | wols | !tell atlfalcons866 about help |
| 22:15.27 | stew | atlfalcons866: please /msg the bot directly |
| 22:15.59 | techouse | why isn't ntfs-3g supported for etch? |
| 22:16.10 | techouse | if you download the source and compile it will it work? |
| 22:16.18 | wols | techouse: yes it will |
| 22:16.20 | techouse | ok |
| 22:16.25 | wols | techouse: but first check backports |
| 22:16.29 | techouse | ok |
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| 22:17.37 | techouse | wait...is icecat a more recent version of iceweasel? |
| 22:17.53 | wols | do you mean icecast? |
| 22:17.56 | dkr | no |
| 22:17.57 | techouse | yea |
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| 22:18.04 | wols | that's a streaming servre |
| 22:18.05 | techouse | wait.. |
| 22:18.09 | dkr | icecast is a fee version of shoutcast |
| 22:18.12 | dkr | free |
| 22:18.28 | techouse | GNU IceCat (formerly GNU IceWeasel) is the web browser from GNU Project. |
| 22:18.31 | dkr | iceweasel is a rename of firefox |
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| 22:18.35 | techouse | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceWeasel |
| 22:18.43 | Nihill | Icecat? |
| 22:18.43 | techouse | i know |
| 22:18.47 | Nihill | sounds funky |
| 22:18.50 | techouse | yeah |
| 22:18.51 | dalias | wtf is icecat?! |
| 22:18.58 | techouse | definitely betta than iceweasel |
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| 22:19.05 | dkr | someone vanadalized the article I suspect |
| 22:19.10 | yiga1 | snow lepord |
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| 22:19.18 | dalias | i have the ultimate name for a gnu firefox fork, but no one listens to me :( |
| 22:19.21 | dalias | FireOx |
| 22:19.22 | techouse | I R Babbon :) |
| 22:19.40 | yiga1 | dalias: :) |
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| 22:19.50 | dalias | since RMS is obsessed with large mammals |
| 22:19.50 | thrashyy | I'm trying to mount a 2nd harddrive but when i run mount <drive> i get, "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, missing codepage or other error" |
| 22:20.09 | Nihill | you need |
| 22:20.11 | dalias | thrashyy, hdb1 |
| 22:20.18 | dalias | hdb is the whole drive not the partition |
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| 22:20.32 | atlfalcons866 | will debian run on a p2 433Mhz |
| 22:20.39 | dalias | atlfalcons866, of course |
| 22:20.41 | Nihill | you need to put the filesystem in as well |
| 22:20.46 | dalias | it'll run on a 486/25mhz |
| 22:20.56 | Nihill | I have it running on a 400 |
| 22:21.00 | dalias | whether you'll find it acceptable for your usage is another question |
| 22:21.05 | jayeola | hey chaps. say you built a kernel in ~/foo/bah. you can one specify this location in a grub stanza? do all of the config files, vmlinuz and stuff _have_ to be in /boot? |
| 22:21.11 | atlfalcons866 | how much rams on the 400mhz |
| 22:21.16 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: it appears that m-a is having a hard time compiling the source, how long should it take? |
| 22:21.24 | dalias | yeah aount of ram is probably more important than cpu speed |
| 22:21.28 | wols | jayeola: you can, but: why? |
| 22:21.30 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: quite a while |
| 22:21.37 | atlfalcons866 | is kde4 in debian |
| 22:21.44 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: its working, I need some patience |
| 22:21.50 | dalias | i find it painful to run much on debian with 128 megs of ram |
| 22:21.51 | thrashyy | thanks dalias |
| 22:21.51 | wols | atlfalcons866: no |
| 22:21.57 | atlfalcons866 | when will it be |
| 22:22.00 | techouse | you could install it, i guess |
| 22:22.00 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: unless you edit /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf |
| 22:22.04 | dalias | 192-256 should be a lot better |
| 22:22.04 | wols | !tell atlfalcons866 about wir |
| 22:22.15 | jayeola | um. just to se if it can be done, wols |
| 22:22.16 | techouse | if it goes on ubuntu 7.10 |
| 22:22.39 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: (so it just builds for you card) but if you are not certain which one you need then may as well just build it all - or do you have an explicit error message |
| 22:22.44 | johnseb | stew, ok now i fixed xorg.conf |
| 22:22.48 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: well I installed it, can I do a invoke-rc.d alsa restart |
| 22:22.53 | jabka | on etch : will touch /forcefsck will force fsck check on (ext3) ? |
| 22:22.58 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: or should I reboot |
| 22:23.00 | wols | jayeola: yes |
| 22:23.02 | johnseb | xorg.0.log and kdm.log look fine |
| 22:23.03 | techouse | @johnseb: how? |
| 22:23.13 | johnseb | techouse, sorry, what i meant is |
| 22:23.14 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: I would reboot for this reason if its going to work udev will find it |
| 22:23.21 | johnseb | no, the problem isn't fixed yet |
| 22:23.25 | techouse | ah |
| 22:23.32 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: otherwise you would have to backport alsa-utils possibly |
| 22:23.33 | techouse | too bad |
| 22:23.36 | johnseb | what i mean is i switched back to the default options for keyboard |
| 22:23.39 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: makes sense, back in 2 crossing the fingers |
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| 22:23.43 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: and I couldn't be bothered |
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| 22:24.05 | atlfalcons866 | is debian avilable on 1 cd |
| 22:24.06 | johnseb | i guess its a fuck with kde like stew suggested |
| 22:24.16 | techouse | how many of you actually use openoffice on a daily basis? |
| 22:24.17 | wols | !tell atlfalcons866 about d-i |
| 22:24.19 | johnseb | but i can't find anything on the web |
| 22:24.22 | johnseb | about that problem |
| 22:24.26 | wols | atlfalcons866: maybe you should start reading on your own |
| 22:24.30 | stew | johnseb: its nothing to do with x or else you woldn't be able to login (since at that point you are already running X) |
| 22:24.39 | SlackRat | OO.org....daily basis? I do |
| 22:24.51 | wols | !tell techouse about polls |
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| 22:25.12 | techouse | ok....got it |
| 22:25.14 | techouse | :P |
| 22:25.21 | johnseb | stew, yes thats what i think too |
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| 22:25.43 | fiddles | hey how would i detele drivers, so i can install ones of older version |
| 22:25.45 | jabka | atlfalcons866: i don't know if you had been answerd but im running a CICS connection server on 533 with 256 mb ram (XFCE) |
| 22:25.45 | techouse | true... |
| 22:25.53 | wols | fiddles: you don't |
| 22:26.02 | fiddles | hmm why |
| 22:26.07 | stew | johnseb: you might ask #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
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| 22:26.18 | fiddles | i want to install some older drivers |
| 22:26.19 | wols | fiddles: what are you trying to do exactly? and why? |
| 22:26.22 | fiddles | well |
| 22:26.32 | fiddles | i want to install patched orinoco drivers |
| 22:26.41 | fiddles | the orinococ drivers i have now dotn go into monitor mode |
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| 22:27.04 | wols | fiddles: where are those orinoco drivers from? are they in an older kernel? |
| 22:27.07 | fiddles | though i though orinoco drivers supported monitor mode |
| 22:27.23 | fiddles | i dled them from somewhere |
| 22:27.52 | wols | fiddles: then they probably won't work with your kernel version |
| 22:28.37 | fiddles | oh |
| 22:28.43 | techouse | i can't wait to pimp kde :) just gotta wait for this damn apt-get upgrade to finish |
| 22:28.59 | marinosi | well nvidia kernel installing doesn't work , the way dpkg sais..anybody here having nvidia kernel at lenny amd64? |
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| 22:29.12 | wols | !tell marinosi about doesn't work |
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| 22:29.50 | cchanc1 | What cd burner could I use in command line mode |
| 22:30.06 | dondelelcaro | cchanc1: wodim |
| 22:30.08 | johnseb | stew, techouse: ok everything fine now |
| 22:30.11 | dondelelcaro | (or cdrecord) |
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| 22:30.16 | johnseb | the fix was to remove my .kde directory |
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| 22:30.24 | techouse | lol |
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| 22:30.33 | johnseb | there was a setting somewhere that was breaking my keaboard |
| 22:30.34 | merlincorey | yeah so, I was creating my first md array EVAR and of course I n00bed it up and forgot to make partitions on the devices first. Using mdadm I created the array and directed it to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1 (since there was no partition). I am wondering if this is OK or if I need to STOP the array build and if so HOW to stop it? |
| 22:30.57 | zaius | Can anyone make sense of this: http://pastie.caboo.se/109049 - eth0 went down for some reason, and takes a long time to come back up |
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| 22:31.13 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: if you want partitions you need to stop the array using mdadm, create the partitions using fdisk, then rebuild them |
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| 22:31.22 | techouse | @johnseb: if you stopped kdm did the keyboard work? |
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| 22:31.26 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: alternatively, you can just use lvm ontop of the raid to do the partitions if you want |
| 22:31.55 | marinosi | wols: well , it complains for glx and it freezes (black screen -hard reboot) |
| 22:32.00 | merlincorey | dondelelcaro: I think I would prefer to do LVM ontop of the raid array; this should not be too difficult considering I already am using LVM, correct? |
| 22:32.12 | merlincorey | and thanks, as always :) |
| 22:32.20 | merlincorey | been a while since I needed help here you guys were good to me :) |
| 22:32.35 | wols | marinosi: what videocard/chip do you have and what packages did you install (dpkg -l |grep nvidia) |
| 22:33.09 | Max_- | Okay, here is something strange: When I installed xserver-xorg, I asked for the following screen sizes [1440x900][1280x1024][1152x864][1024x768][800x600] and, in KDE, I have the following choice [1152x864][1024x768][800x600][640x480][720x400][640x400][640x350] notice that it doesn't really match! |
| 22:33.17 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: right; you'd just have to pvcreate, then vgcreate or vgadd or whatever |
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| 22:33.43 | merlincorey | dondelelcaro: awesome, thank you very much :). I was a bit lost but now I am found heehee |
| 22:33.46 | Max_- | Oh, I installed kde before xserver, thatmight be a problem... |
| 22:33.59 | Max_- | or maybe a cause |
| 22:35.27 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: works like it should, got some music now |
| 22:35.32 | marinosi | wols: http://rafb.net/p/rB5pEj54.html |
| 22:35.34 | wols | [1440x900] and [1024x768] are not mutually exclusive but it'S useless to have both |
| 22:35.58 | wols | marinosi: wrong drivers. you don't need "legacy" |
| 22:36.15 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: remember if you get a kernel update you have to rebuild alsa-source |
| 22:36.25 | wols | marinosi: you need the normal ones |
| 22:36.26 | marinosi | I have tried what the bot said |
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| 22:36.40 | Max_- | wols indeed, now as you can see 1440x900 is greater and is what is needed. |
| 22:36.45 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: You can make it faster by using the CARDS="snd-hda-intel" option |
| 22:36.50 | marinosi | wols: I think legacy comes with the xserver-xorg meta package..Haven't apt-get them |
| 22:36.50 | h3sp4wn | in alsa-source.conf |
| 22:37.03 | wols | marinosi: you are wrong |
| 22:37.03 | yiga1 | h3sp4wn: thats great I now owe someone a beer |
| 22:37.19 | wols | marinosi: what monitor do you have? |
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| 22:38.08 | marinosi | wols: it's a Dell XPS m1210 laptop , 12" monitor |
| 22:38.09 | wols | marinosi: you need nvidia-glx |
| 22:38.36 | wols | marinosi: and that has 1400x900 res? can you paste your xorg log? |
| 22:38.39 | h3sp4wn | yiga1: Leffe Vieille Cuvée given the choice too hard to find unfortunately though in England |
| 22:39.03 | DustyDingo | hm, i expereince a very strange network problem |
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| 22:39.34 | marinosi | wols: sure..It is a 1280x800 (dunno of 1400x900 at 12" :-P ) |
| 22:39.34 | fasta | What does the program ggtick do? |
| 22:39.42 | wols | ah, 1280x800 |
| 22:39.54 | wols | marinosi: 1400x900 is not 1280x800... |
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| 22:40.36 | DustyDingo | i have tons of small outgoing UDP packages going to 255.255.255:[6550-6600] bursting to this ports |
| 22:40.36 | marinosi | wols: http://marinos.ceid.upatras.gr:8000/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:41.04 | DustyDingo | about every 1.5 second, then it increments the destination port by 1 |
| 22:41.13 | marinosi | wols: Yep I know, I said I don't think there is 12" that could be capable of 1400x900 resolution..I think so whatever |
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| 22:41.20 | DustyDingo | any idear what can couse this? |
| 22:41.21 | wols | marinosi: http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Installing_Debian_on_Dell_M1210#NVIDIA |
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| 22:42.41 | marinosi | wols: I've seen that..1)That 's for precompiled kernel, and I have custom 2) it's not so easy i amd64 :-P |
| 22:43.16 | garotosopa | Hi. After upgrading to kernel 2.6.22 my Lenny installation only boots with my IDE disk being identifying as sda1. However when I try to install grub to /dev/sda ou hd0 I get the error /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. Any advice? |
| 22:43.18 | wols | marinosi: wrong in both counts. even with custom it will work fine and nvidia has amd64 capable drivers too |
| 22:43.26 | wols | I told you to not use legacy |
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| 22:43.50 | wols | garotosopa: check your device map. also why reinstall grub? |
| 22:44.00 | marinosi | wols: e.g bot said for amd64 nvidia-glx-ia32 is needed.Is this correct? |
| 22:44.25 | wols | marinosi: where did it say that? |
| 22:44.28 | wols | what factoid? |
| 22:44.30 | techouse | what's the commandline to change your default soundcard? |
| 22:44.31 | techouse | i forgot |
| 22:44.43 | garotosopa | wols, because the root= is pointing to hda1 and I must (e)dit it to sda1 all the time or the boot halts with Waiting for root filesytem message. How do I check my device map? |
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| 22:44.56 | h3sp4wn | techouse: asoundconf --set-default-card |
| 22:45.10 | marinosi | (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32) |
| 22:45.12 | wols | garotosopa: that's not your device.map that is a misconfigured menu.lst |
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| 22:45.17 | h3sp4wn | techouse: asoundconf set-default-card |
| 22:45.21 | marinosi | !tell wols about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:45.22 | marinosi | :-P |
| 22:45.25 | h3sp4wn | (sorry remembered it wrong) |
| 22:45.46 | techouse | memi@debian:~$ sudo asoundconf list |
| 22:45.46 | techouse | Names of available sound cards: |
| 22:45.48 | techouse | hmmm? |
| 22:45.55 | marinosi | and .gacq's nvidia guide does not work for custom kernels |
| 22:45.57 | techouse | help |
| 22:46.08 | wols | marinosi: learn to read. |
| 22:46.41 | h3sp4wn | techouse: just use /proc/asound/cards (and the number) |
| 22:47.12 | techouse | aha |
| 22:47.12 | techouse | ok |
| 22:47.18 | wols | marinosi: especially the "Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>" |
| 22:47.28 | marinosi | wols: What did I misunderstood?I did that... |
| 22:47.43 | marinosi | I told you in tha paste I did in rafb , didn't I? |
| 22:47.52 | garotosopa | wols, Yes. I configured the menu.lst but I cannot reinstall grub as it says /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive |
| 22:48.08 | marinosi | 01:34 < marinosi> wols: http://rafb.net/p/rB5pEj54.html |
| 22:48.13 | garotosopa | wols, by resinstalling grub I mean #grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:48.14 | marinosi | 01:34 < marinosi> wols: http://rafb.net/p/rB5pEj54.html |
| 22:48.21 | marinosi | ops |
| 22:48.23 | abrotman | lastlog broken ? |
| 22:48.25 | marinosi | sorry for the flood |
| 22:48.30 | wols | garotosopa: I know. the question still stands: why? |
| 22:48.55 | wols | garotosopa: why do you need to reinstall grub? |
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| 22:49.09 | yiga1 | well its not as good as the real thing but !beer h3sp4wn |
| 22:49.17 | yiga1 | !beer h3sp4wn |
| 22:49.28 | garotosopa | wols, doesn't I need to reinstall grub for the new menu.lst to take effect? |
| 22:49.35 | wols | garotosopa: no |
| 22:49.36 | dondelelcaro | garotosopa: no |
| 22:49.57 | garotosopa | o.O omg it's getting smart! |
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| 22:50.08 | wols | grub never ever needed that btw |
| 22:50.28 | wols | garotosopa: what is your kopt line in menu.lst? |
| 22:50.30 | nameless | thx for the howto, nvidia drivers are ok |
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| 22:51.55 | garotosopa | wols, yeah that might be a lilo thing I'm confusing with. the only line regarding kopt is # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro (including the #) |
| 22:52.11 | wols | yes, that's the one. change hda1 to sda1 |
| 22:52.17 | garotosopa | ohh ok |
| 22:52.24 | fasta | garotosopa: lilo needed that non-sense. |
| 22:52.24 | techouse | brb |
| 22:52.31 | fasta | garotosopa: or needs, I am not sure. |
| 22:52.54 | garotosopa | fasta, I used to use some time ago in slackware. |
| 22:53.10 | fasta | garotosopa: ? |
| 22:53.15 | garotosopa | fasta, lilo |
| 22:53.46 | fasta | garotosopa: I used it too 6 years ago. Switched to grub when I found out it was superior for my goals. |
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| 22:54.35 | garotosopa | fasta, I can't even compare them as I'm not really into it. but not needing to reinstall it seems to be a good thing to me. |
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| 22:55.06 | garotosopa | wols, so I changed the kopt and the root= param in the kernel entries. Is it done or I need anything else? |
| 22:56.49 | minerale | can sed do backreferences? |
| 22:57.17 | nameless | how it's possible that on grub i have set root=/dev/sda2 but in fstab i have / on /dev/hdc2 ? |
| 22:57.24 | Max_- | Okay, here is something strange: When I installed xserver-xorg, I asked for the following screen sizes [1440x900][1280x1024][1152x864][1024x768][800x600] and, in KDE, I have the following choice [1152x864][1024x768][800x600][640x480][720x400][640x400][640x350] notice that it doesn't really match! |
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| 22:59.28 | nameless | o_O |
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| 23:00.28 | abrotman | Max_-: sure .. it's possible your card or monitor can't do the others |
| 23:01.25 | cchanc1 | is it cp to copy folders |
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| 23:02.06 | Max_- | abrotman: it can |
| 23:02.08 | garotosopa | cchanc1, cp -R |
| 23:02.15 | abrotman | Max_-: might want to check the X log to make sure |
| 23:03.19 | cchanc1 | ok with that where are user profiles stored |
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| 23:03.45 | abrotman | who what? |
| 23:04.10 | cchanc1 | where are user profiles stored |
| 23:04.20 | zouhair | hi, stupid question, do I need to downloa the whole 21 CD set to install Debian?? |
| 23:04.20 | abrotman | cchanc1: user files are in their $HOME usually |
| 23:04.26 | abrotman | !d-i zouhair |
| 23:04.26 | dpkg | zouhair, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:04.34 | cchanc1 | ,, |
| 23:04.45 | zouhair | :) |
| 23:04.58 | abrotman | zouhair: it's about 150MB or so |
| 23:05.01 | cchanc1 | where is that |
| 23:05.24 | abrotman | cchanc1: depends on the user .. but usually in /home/ |
| 23:05.49 | cchanc1 | I don't have partioned folders |
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| 23:05.55 | cchanc1 | is it in etc usr what |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | in /home/ |
| 23:06.07 | Max_- | There are like 10000 modes in Xorg.0.log |
| 23:06.21 | cchanc1 | wtf |
| 23:06.21 | abrotman | at the right refresh ? |
| 23:06.26 | cchanc1 | its a hiden folder |
| 23:06.33 | Eulex | Max_-, I doubt there are more than a few hundred. |
| 23:06.34 | abrotman | cchanc1: would you like me to speak louder and more slowly? :) |
| 23:07.11 | cchanc1 | nether I figueed it out |
| 23:07.20 | Max_- | Eulex: same here. the files has only some more lines than 3000.. what's your point? |
| 23:07.32 | Max_- | *3000 lines |
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| 23:07.45 | minerale | is there a way I can combine the outputs of several programs into a single stream, ie a way to avoid writing a file like this: myprog > a.txt && myprog >> a.txt && myprog2 a.txt |
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| 23:08.14 | cchanc1 | hehehe I figured out how to backup my archives :P |
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| 23:08.22 | abrotman | minerale: yes .. |
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| 23:08.45 | abrotman | now if i could just remember :) |
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| 23:08.48 | minerale | abrotman: tee ? |
| 23:08.53 | Eulex | Max_-, that there surely aren't 'like 10000 modes' ;) |
| 23:09.04 | zouhair | sorry |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | zouhair: turn that off |
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| 23:09.21 | abrotman | canadians .. sheesh |
| 23:09.23 | Max_- | Eulex: That was more like an expression... |
| 23:09.39 | abrotman | minerale: IIRC .. tee does stdout and a file |
| 23:10.34 | Eulex | Max_-, btw, what modes you choose to be available when you configure X are potentially not the ones that actually will be in the list of modes X makes available to you. it all depends on what modes are actually available and how much the driver obeys you. |
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| 23:13.12 | Max_- | Eulex: okay, but, how do I get 1440x900 working then? because that's always been what WinXP delivered, and I juste measured the screen physically and that's exactly the ratio(1.6) of the screen, the other are only 1.3 or 1.25... and smaller, I don't get why it should not work NOW... it works fine on virtual machines, still on windows, but it can't on X... that's weird, no? That's the only resoluti |
| 23:13.29 | Max_- | on really made for the screen I have.. and it doesn't work o.0 |
| 23:13.31 | Eulex | Max_-, what graphics card? |
| 23:13.43 | Max_- | ATI mobility radeon x1400 |
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| 23:14.24 | Eulex | Max_-, make sure that your VertRefresh and HorizSync ranges are correct. |
| 23:14.52 | Eulex | Max_-, it's likely that 1440x900 is outside of the ranges your provided. |
| 23:15.25 | Eulex | Max_-, but for a definite answer for why it was not included in the available modes, consult Xorg.0.log. |
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| 23:15.56 | alanhaggai | When I press shift + delete, I am not getting the confirm deletion box. How do I change this setting? |
| 23:16.31 | Eulex | alanhaggai, you ask in the channel of your desktop environment, or possibly file manager. |
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| 23:16.49 | alanhaggai | Ok. |
| 23:16.52 | Eulex | alanhaggai, or at least state what you actually are using |
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| 23:17.25 | alanhaggai | Eulex, I am using KDE (Debian Etch) |
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| 23:17.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Can anyone please assist me with this problem? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-handheld-25/dvdr-drive-doesnt-work-593123/ |
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| 23:18.18 | Max_- | Eulex: the funny part is nobody ever asked me about anything, but the sizes of screen, when I installed Xserver... Gave it what Win supported well... so now I'm looking at that log file, and I have no idea what to search for |
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| 23:18.47 | Eulex | Max_-, 1440x900, for starters. |
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| 23:19.23 | wols | Max_-: what driver do you use? |
| 23:19.26 | Max_- | it says "(II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1440x900" (no mode of this name) |
| 23:19.29 | Eulex | Max_-, in any case, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choose advanced mode when it asks you how to ask you for modes, then input all correct settings for your driver |
| 23:19.37 | Eulex | wols, *doh* |
| 23:19.44 | wols | Eulex: exactly :) |
| 23:19.57 | wols | Max_-: use fglrx. better chance to have support for your moed than VESA... |
| 23:20.20 | Eulex | Max_-, your graphics driver does not provide access to the 1440x900 through vesa vbe, which is what the vesa driver is using. switch to the ati or fglrx driver. |
| 23:20.41 | Max_- | wols: oh... okay, so how do I switch that, I never specified vesa, so I don't really know where to go |
| 23:20.44 | wols | Eulex: ati no workie with 1xxx cards |
| 23:20.46 | minerale | abrotman: ah found it { a; b; c; } >> myfile |
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| 23:20.59 | abrotman | minerale: ah .. yeah .. that'll do it :) |
| 23:21.02 | Max_- | Eulex: I guess ati is best since it's ati, no?!? |
| 23:21.05 | Eulex | wols, ah, true. |
| 23:21.10 | wols | Max_-: no |
| 23:21.15 | Max_- | ohhh ok read ur comment |
| 23:21.17 | abrotman | minerale: i should have told you it was one of the ([{ .. sorry |
| 23:21.22 | Eulex | Max_-, fglrx is ati's official driver, ati is the free driver. |
| 23:21.29 | Max_- | okkk |
| 23:21.38 | Max_- | fglrx I get this with aptitude or ? |
| 23:21.43 | Eulex | !tell Max_- about nvidia oneliner |
| 23:21.47 | Eulex | then: |
| 23:21.54 | wols | Eulex: nvidia != ati Eulex... |
| 23:21.54 | Eulex | *doh* |
| 23:21.54 | cyzie | how do i grep <patterm> from all files but not including compress file ? |
| 23:22.22 | Eulex | wols, yeah, I know, I think it's time for me to go to bed. but I'll at least try to give him the correct factoid first. |
| 23:22.30 | Eulex | !tell Max_- about fglrx oneliner |
| 23:22.31 | Max_- | hahah |
| 23:22.37 | Eulex | then after you've installed that one: |
| 23:22.38 | Max_- | ok, fglrx is on aptitude |
| 23:22.41 | Eulex | !tell Max_- about drxx |
| 23:22.41 | Max_- | I'll get it there |
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| 23:23.57 | Eulex | now, bed. good night. |
| 23:24.10 | Max_- | ...Installing fglrx.. it will use it by default now, or do I have to specify something? |
| 23:24.14 | Max_- | Eulex: good night! |
| 23:24.18 | Max_- | and thanks |
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| 23:24.55 | billybong | hey guys |
| 23:24.57 | billybong | i'm kinda new to debian |
| 23:25.03 | billybong | i've installed apache2 and php5 |
| 23:25.21 | billybong | how do i install modphp so apache will work with .php files ? |
| 23:25.23 | Daveman | Hey abrotman :) |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 23:25.38 | wols | billybong: apt-cache search php5 |grep mod |
| 23:25.45 | stew | billybong: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 && a2enmod php5 |
| 23:26.01 | wols | stew: latter should be done automatically |
| 23:26.19 | Tramp | cyzie: Use find to build the filelist, pipe it to "xargs grep <pattern>" |
| 23:26.43 | Daveman | abrotman, you enjoying a wet evening, as well? |
| 23:26.56 | abrotman | Daveman: but tomorrow and sunday look nice! |
| 23:27.18 | Daveman | heehee |
| 23:27.22 | Daveman | yeah I heard :D |
| 23:27.33 | billybong | libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 23:27.33 | Daveman | good thing too, I was just about to paint my porch... |
| 23:27.36 | billybong | okay so thats installed |
| 23:27.39 | billybong | anything else i need to do ? |
| 23:27.44 | billybong | cause .php files are still just showing up blank |
| 23:28.03 | abrotman | try another browser |
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| 23:28.20 | cyzie | ok, Tramp |
| 23:28.21 | stew | wols: yeah, looks liek you are right |
| 23:28.40 | stew | billybong: check the apache error log |
| 23:28.57 | abrotman | and if it weren't done automagically .. it would offer to download them |
| 23:28.59 | wols | stew: debconf is smart :) |
| 23:28.59 | stew | billybong: perhaps you need to install something like php5-mysql? or some other php module |
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| 23:29.08 | stew | wols: at least seanius is |
| 23:29.10 | billybong | that could be it |
| 23:29.29 | billybong | nope |
| 23:29.31 | billybong | already installed |
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| 23:29.39 | billybong | do i need to add anything to the httpd.conf ? |
| 23:29.44 | stew | billybong: no |
| 23:29.52 | stew | billybong: look at /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 23:29.59 | wols | billybong: try a <?php phpinfo(); ?> file |
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| 23:30.22 | Ace2016 | I'm back |
| 23:30.23 | stew | does that work? or should it be <?= phpinfo(); ?> |
| 23:30.35 | Ace2016 | does anyone know the xgl repo? |
| 23:30.50 | Ace2016 | someone gave me it but i reinstalled and i lost it |
| 23:30.52 | stew | Ace2016: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xgl |
| 23:30.58 | wols | stew: <?php better works or my install here with my php files is very broken indeed |
| 23:31.03 | billybong | stew, nothing in error.log |
| 23:31.05 | wols | !xgl |
| 23:31.05 | dpkg | well, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported |
| 23:31.06 | billybong | wols, trying that now |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | it should at least show him accessing the file |
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| 23:32.13 | billybong | wols, ya that test file works |
| 23:32.22 | billybong | so maybe it has something to do with how mysql is linking with it all |
| 23:32.41 | wols | billybong: what are you trying to do, or rather what does the php file you try to access try to do? |
| 23:32.46 | abrotman | billybong: could be your error level .. |
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| 23:35.07 | abrotman | does he have php5-mysql installed ? |
| 23:35.19 | stew | billybong: does the phpinfo() page list mysql? |
| 23:35.20 | stew | he does |
| 23:35.30 | billybong | yes it does stew |
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| 23:35.36 | billybong | works fine |
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| 23:36.04 | stew | i'd say look for extension=mysql.so but i'm currently upgrading a server from sarge/apache/php4 to etch/apache2/php5 and the working php5 here seems to not have extension=mysql.so in php.ini |
| 23:36.08 | stew | which is suprising to me |
| 23:36.26 | billybong | ya this is php5 i'm using afaik |
| 23:36.29 | abrotman | stew: syure you're checking hte right php.ini ? |
| 23:36.31 | billybong | thats what i installed anyways |
| 23:36.40 | stew | abrotman: where is it? in /etc? |
| 23:37.00 | abrotman | /etc/php5/apache2/ |
| 23:37.09 | abrotman | maybe it's all dynamic now .. dunno |
| 23:37.24 | stew | yeah, i knew were it was, silly |
| 23:37.25 | stew | grep ^extension /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 23:37.28 | stew | is what i ran |
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| 23:37.59 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:38.12 | abrotman | at least that solves that problem :) |
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| 23:38.23 | fasta | What program do you use to burn appendable cdrw's? |
| 23:38.24 | wols | stew: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini:;extension=mysql.so |
| 23:38.37 | abrotman | stew: /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.ini |
| 23:38.40 | wols | so it looks like it's commented out here. but works fine |
| 23:38.49 | billybong | ;extension=mysql.so |
| 23:38.52 | stew | php magick! |
| 23:38.55 | billybong | does that m ean its commented out ? |
| 23:39.07 | wols | billybong: yes but it works here still |
| 23:39.12 | stew | billybong: yeah, but if phpinfo says its got mysql, then its not a problem |
| 23:39.17 | fasta | k3b is horrible and I guess the rest is not maintained |
| 23:39.19 | wols | and if phpinfo(); mentiona it, it's loaded |
| 23:39.24 | billybong | stew, not sure if phpinfo says it has mysql |
| 23:39.26 | billybong | checking now |
| 23:39.43 | stew | 18:35 < stew> billybong: does the phpinfo() page list mysql? 18:35 < billybong> yes it does stew |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | it would error saying mysql_connect isn't found or something |
| 23:39.44 | phogg | fasta: what is so horrible about k3b? |
| 23:39.46 | billybong | i did a search for mysql in that php test page |
| 23:39.53 | billybong | nothing about mysql in there at all |
| 23:40.10 | fasta | phogg: it's as buggy as hell |
| 23:40.19 | stew | billybong: does /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.ini exist? |
| 23:40.19 | phogg | fasta: Can you be more specific? |
| 23:40.19 | wols | billybong: dpkg -l php5-mysql |
| 23:40.23 | fasta | phogg: sure |
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| 23:40.41 | fasta | phogg: I will try to burn it again, doing the same thing I did earlier. |
| 23:40.59 | billybong | stew, yes that file exists |
| 23:41.12 | stew | and it says extension=mysql.so ? |
| 23:41.18 | billybong | wols, did that |
| 23:41.19 | billybong | now what ? |
| 23:41.22 | Max_- | How do you know the v-sync and h-sync of your monitor.... |
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| 23:41.31 | stew | hu |
| 23:41.35 | fasta | phogg: I made a directory, and now select everything and will drop it to that directory. |
| 23:41.39 | billybong | stew, ; extension=msql.dll |
| 23:41.47 | stew | billybong: uncomment that |
| 23:41.49 | abrotman | msql is not mysql |
| 23:41.54 | stew | billybong: oh |
| 23:42.12 | billybong | extension=mysql.so |
| 23:42.17 | stew | billybong: nevermind me, that is a dll for php connecting to microsoft sqlserver from php running in windows |
| 23:42.19 | fasta | phogg: ok, it refreshes at the wrong moment. |
| 23:42.26 | billybong | okay |
| 23:42.27 | fasta | phogg: so, it lost focus. |
| 23:42.28 | billybong | ------------ |
| 23:42.35 | stew | Max_-: you look in the manual. or you don't specify either and hope that they are correctly auto-detected |
| 23:42.37 | fasta | phogg: I haven't even done anything until now. |
| 23:42.37 | billybong | forgetting all that stuff above not sure who to follow |
| 23:42.38 | billybong | heh |
| 23:42.48 | phogg | fasta: I do not follow what is happening. |
| 23:42.53 | billybong | wols, i did that dpkg -i php5-mysql |
| 23:42.55 | billybong | now what ? |
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| 23:43.02 | abrotman | billybong: is the apache2 access log recording your attempt to access the php file? have you tried more than one browser ? |
| 23:43.11 | wols | billybong: what does it say? ii for status= |
| 23:43.13 | wols | ? |
| 23:43.34 | Max_- | stew: if it's not in the manual, and the auto detect does not the job |
| 23:43.39 | billybong | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:43.41 | fasta | phogg: ok, I see the problem. I was copying from the target device to the new device and it didn't warn me. |
| 23:43.50 | wols | billybong: do not paste it |
| 23:43.53 | wols | not in channel |
| 23:44.06 | billybong | only pasted 1 line |
| 23:44.14 | wols | the totally wrong one too |
| 23:44.15 | billybong | 4 lines or more i'll paste on pastebin |
| 23:44.15 | duese | i've got an sis650 graphics card. on www.winischhofer.net there was a "sisctrl" tool available to set different options related to the sis driver. unfortunately the page is unreachable to me - the is there a way to get that tool anyway? |
| 23:44.18 | billybong | oh heh |
| 23:44.20 | billybong | :/ |
| 23:44.38 | stew | Max_-: then you look in the manual again. and then you find someone elses that did a better job of reading the manual, then you guess |
| 23:45.02 | billybong | abrotman, nothing showing up in the error.log at all |
| 23:45.03 | phogg | fasta: k3b is pretty good, possibly the best gui CD burning app. If it doesn't work for you it can be made to and that is probably better than finding an inferior program. That said, here are some other GUI burning apps: arson brasero gnomebaker |
| 23:45.11 | fasta | Ok, I see the problem. |
| 23:45.15 | abrotman | billybong: not the error log .. the access log |
| 23:45.19 | billybong | ah |
| 23:45.19 | billybong | k |
| 23:45.20 | fasta | Clicking on an item changes directory. |
| 23:45.24 | wols | billybong: anything in the access.log? |
| 23:45.33 | fasta | But to drag I need to click on an item. |
| 23:45.48 | fasta | So, with that setting in kde it is impossible to burn anything to begin with |
| 23:46.13 | phogg | fasta: single click activate is a bad idea anyway |
| 23:46.21 | fasta | That's just perfect. So, I first need to go and disable one click activate. |
| 23:46.27 | fasta | phogg: it works perfect in Gnome. |
| 23:46.32 | phogg | fasta: but probably a click+drag can work if you're fast |
| 23:46.40 | billybong | nothing at all in access.log |
| 23:46.44 | phogg | fasta: GNOME does not have single click activate the way KDE does |
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| 23:46.59 | fasta | phogg: I just did in nautilus |
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| 23:47.14 | fasta | phogg: so, you are talking out of your ... |
| 23:47.21 | phogg | fasta: that's just a file manager. It does not extend to everywhere |
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| 23:47.34 | Max_- | stew: You're so funny... |
| 23:47.42 | fasta | phogg: name me something where it shouldn't work? |
| 23:47.50 | wols | billybong: if nothing is in either you are not accessing your apache2 server. QeD |
| 23:47.50 | billybong | wols, can i pm you? |
| 23:47.54 | wols | no |
| 23:47.55 | Max_- | stew: It's NOT written... wheter you take me for an idiot or not; IT IS NOT THERE |
| 23:48.06 | fasta | phogg: AFAIK, it works everywhere. |
| 23:48.07 | wols | Max_-: that's not our problem |
| 23:48.07 | abrotman | billybong: try another browser |
| 23:48.12 | wols | Max_-: buy better hardware |
| 23:48.19 | Max_- | idiot |
| 23:48.32 | fasta | phogg: ? |
| 23:48.33 | wols | Max_-: stop that please |
| 23:48.46 | phogg | fasta: try file dialogs |
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| 23:49.08 | billybong | i tried another browser |
| 23:49.09 | billybong | still nothing |
| 23:49.10 | fasta | phogg: ok, good point. |
| 23:49.12 | Max_- | wols: that computer cost a nice amount of money and "buy better hardware" is not a good answer in that case, sorry. |
| 23:49.16 | billybong | but i am connecting to the server |
| 23:49.19 | billybong | so i dunno wtf is up |
| 23:49.25 | billybong | the php test file shows up |
| 23:49.30 | billybong | but nothing at all to do with mysql in it |
| 23:49.33 | wols | Max_-: debian is free, vista costs 100USD. your point again about quality vs. price? |
| 23:49.36 | stew | Max_-: is it a crt or laptop? |
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| 23:49.45 | stew | Max_-: err or a lcd i mean |
| 23:49.53 | Max_- | funny fact, my computer is not supposed to work above 10000 feets |
| 23:49.54 | billybong | earlier i rm'd the access and error.log files |
| 23:49.59 | billybong | then touch'd them to create them |
| 23:49.59 | phogg | fasta: in KDE everything inherits from base libs so if you turn it on, it's on everywhere. In gnome it's a nautilus setting which applies to things nautilus controls and (afaik) nothing else. |
| 23:50.05 | billybong | and chgrp adm them |
| 23:50.06 | Max_- | stew: laptop |
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| 23:50.19 | billybong | they now have same stuff as before |
| 23:50.22 | billybong | but they are empty |
| 23:50.24 | fasta | phogg: yes, I know KDE is great in theory. |
| 23:50.26 | billybong | nothing shows up when i connect to the server |
| 23:50.33 | stew | Max_-: then the refresh rate is 60hz but unless it is very old, the rates will be autodetected |
| 23:50.34 | fasta | phogg: but you see what side-effects it has |
| 23:50.40 | wols | billybong: restart apache. and what is the exactl path of those logfiles? |
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| 23:50.52 | phogg | fasta: this k3b problem is not good, but it is just a side effect that no one noticed |
| 23:50.56 | billybong | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.03 | Max_- | wols: rofl omg... you've ever found free quality hardware? |
| 23:51.05 | Max_- | come on |
| 23:51.09 | karmatronic | cool , this screen was here for days :) |
| 23:51.09 | billybong | how do i restart apache ? |
| 23:51.15 | billybong | apachectl restart doesn't work |
| 23:51.21 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.22 | karmatronic | /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 23:51.28 | phogg | fasta: I didn't think anybody actually used single click activate. |
| 23:51.30 | wols | karmatronic: apache != apache2 |
| 23:51.45 | billybong | okay |
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| 23:51.47 | billybong | its working now |
| 23:51.47 | karmatronic | wols: right apache1.X > apache2 ... |
| 23:51.49 | billybong | thank you very much |
| 23:51.59 | phogg | fasta: it's probable that the devs and their main testers don't test for it |
| 23:52.31 | fasta | phogg: now, something made that they device is not available. |
| 23:52.40 | stew | Max_-: how old is the laptop. what video chipset? |
| 23:52.51 | fasta | phogg: I didn't do anything, yet it was unloaded. |
| 23:53.06 | fasta | phogg: it might be the "best" program, still it sucks. |
| 23:53.08 | billybong | wols, abrotman, stew and anybody else that helped me |
| 23:53.11 | billybong | THANK YOU! |
| 23:53.12 | billybong | :) |
| 23:53.16 | Max_- | stew: less than a year old, video is ati radeon x1400 (mobility) |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | what fixed it ? |
| 23:53.27 | wols | abrotman: apache restart |
| 23:53.34 | Max_- | stew: will the sync be the same for vertical and horizontal? |
| 23:53.48 | stew | Max_-: no, but omit them both, they will be autodetected |
| 23:53.54 | phogg | fasta: It may not be the best but it is certainly good. I did provide a list of alternatives. Particularly try arson as it is also KDE-based |
| 23:54.04 | abrotman | wols: cute |
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| 23:54.23 | Max_- | stew: okay... how am I sure the driver I just installed is the one used? |
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| 23:55.04 | nethenson | I have the classical {LAN}<-->(Switch)<-->(Debian Etch router/gateway)<--->(DSL Modem) , i'd like to know how much bandwidth (upload&download) is using each computer in the lan, can you recommend me any program to install in the router? |
| 23:55.15 | phogg | fasta: I have confirmed that dragging and dropping directories in k3b works when single click activate is enabled |
| 23:55.28 | phogg | fasta: that should be a sufficient workaround |
| 23:55.43 | fasta | phogg: how? |
| 23:55.46 | fasta | phogg: with Control? |
| 23:55.57 | billybong | abrotman, i dunno but its working now |
| 23:55.57 | billybong | okay |
| 23:55.58 | phogg | fasta: no |
| 23:56.00 | billybong | one more thing |
| 23:56.06 | phogg | fasta: just click, drag and drop |
| 23:56.07 | stew | Max_-: which driver are you trying to use? |
| 23:56.10 | billybong | how can i make the default index.php instead of index.html ? |
| 23:56.24 | fasta | phogg: that doesn't work here |
| 23:56.41 | karmatronic | does anyone know a way of having icons on desktop bar grow on mouse pointing ( as mac does , i believe ) ? |
| 23:56.48 | Max_- | stew: I installed fxglr (or something very alike) as suggested here, and It's still using VESA as I can see in the X log file |
| 23:56.56 | billybong | anybody ? |
| 23:56.57 | abrotman | billybong: both should work |
| 23:57.01 | billybong | its not |
| 23:57.03 | phogg | fasta: wat happens when you try? ANd let me make sure... you are talking about from within k3b, yes? From the k3b file browser to a cd project? |
| 23:57.15 | billybong | when i go to http://site.com/ it just shows the directory list as empty |
| 23:57.24 | billybong | but when i go to http://site.com/index.php it shows the page |
| 23:57.36 | abrotman | Alter DirectoryIndex |
| 23:57.38 | fasta | phogg: right |
| 23:57.44 | billybong | actually wait no |
| 23:57.45 | fasta | phogg: arson looks even worse |
| 23:57.52 | karmatronic | billybong: DirectoryIndex index.php |
| 23:58.00 | fasta | phogg: completely opaque as to where the session import function is. |
| 23:58.04 | billybong | when i go to http://site.com/ it forwards me to http://site.com/apache2-default/ |
| 23:58.09 | billybong | and shows the directory list as empty |
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| 23:58.16 | billybong | karmatronic, what file is that in ? |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | billybong: there's a default redirect |
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| 23:58.23 | protocol_ | Does anybody know how to use diff to count number of different lines in files? |
| 23:58.27 | protocol_ | I just need the number of lines which are different between two directories. |
| 23:58.31 | fasta | phogg: the gazillion warnings in k3b when it starts also is not very assuring. |
| 23:58.31 | protocol_ | I really appreciate for any help. |
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| 23:58.58 | karmatronic | billybong: it s in httpd.conf i think |
| 23:59.06 | wols | karmatronic: httpd.conf is empty |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | it's the default in the sites-enabled |
| 23:59.13 | billybong | yes its empty |
| 23:59.14 | abrotman | erm .. sites-available |
| 23:59.27 | phogg | fasta: what warnings? Do you mean while burning? |
| 23:59.27 | abrotman | protocol_: you could do side-by-side and pass it to wc |
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